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00:00.02leOnsliipy: did you restart the server ?
00:00.11S2Kopp: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
00:00.12sliipyleOn: postfix?
00:00.15Bullseyeopp: www.apt-get.org
00:00.16leOnyes
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00:00.23oppwhat i mean is, if the apps i want to apt-get is not in the sorces, how do i add them so i can apt-get install them??
00:00.42sliipyleOn: yes, same error..
00:00.54sliipyat least saslauthd is running now..
00:01.01leOnsliipy: maybe it's a configuration issue
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00:01.14S2Kopp: if those apps are in .deb files on your hard drive, you should use dpkg, not apt, methinks
00:01.20sliipyi guess.. i wonder where to set authentication mechanism...
00:01.39djwdpkg -i foo.deb
00:01.46leOnsliipy: can't help you, i don't use postfix
00:01.48Bullseyeopp: search for them at  www.apt-get.org and add them to sources.list
00:01.55opphmm, there are so many ways to install linux apps, its confusing me
00:01.56opp:(
00:01.59jbropp: do you understand the difference between "stable", "testing" etc?  http://www.debian.org/releases
00:02.01sliipyleOn: you've been very helpful anyways, thanks! :)
00:02.09trippyHow do I crack somebody's root password?
00:02.13leOnanyone here uses apache-ssl with ipv6 ?
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00:02.14oppi know sid is the unstable one
00:02.21oppwhich is the branch im on
00:02.29RichiHtrippy: define crack
00:02.36leOnsliipy: check packages.debian.orf
00:02.37leOnsliipy: check packages.debian.org
00:02.44S2Kwhen i installed, i was on testing
00:02.53oppunstable
00:02.57oppme
00:03.00leOnsliipy: there's a search engine for packages and files that are part of packages
00:03.21leOnsliipy: that's where i got the answer for "where to get saslauth"
00:03.21RichiHcalled apt-cache search
00:03.24trippyRichiH: crack: v. To obtain the password of a computer to which you do not have privelidges to access.
00:03.30sliipydo you think i need another package, leOn?
00:03.45trippyRichiH: Not a universal definition, but correct for this situation
00:03.53leOndunno ... but i'm guessing it's a configuration issue
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00:04.51sliipyme too
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00:04.55sliipyhmm :/
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00:05.01RichiHtrippy: do you have physical access to the machine you want to recover? if yes, there is an easy way to _change_ it. the actual cracking... well, those things are kinda designed so you can not easily come up with the right guess
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00:05.30trippyRichiH: No, it's at a hosting company
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00:06.17RichiHtrippy: then you are outta luck. you need to access the /etc partition while the system using it is not booted
00:06.19trippyRichiH: I'd settle for changing it, but I don't have physical access
00:06.19cafuegoleOn: See also 'apt-file', which runs locally.
00:06.50trippyRichiH: Is there no way I can use a root-kit?
00:07.02leOncafuego: sorry ?...
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00:07.12RichiHtrippy: there sure is, but this is not the right place to get info about that
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00:07.21cafuegoleOn: Re your "packages.debian.org" answer. 'apt-file' does the same, but without a browser.
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00:07.28trippyRichiH: Oh?  Is there anywhere you would suggest?
00:07.34FlimzyIs there any software for Linux that can convert to/from a .qcp file (Qualcomm's "PureVoice" format)?
00:07.37leOncafuego: ah, yes ... i use that too
00:07.38leOn=)
00:07.40InfohawkCan FAM work without portmap enabled?
00:07.48cafuegotrippy: efnet?
00:07.59trippycafuego: Thanks, I'll try there
00:08.05leOncafuego: tell me something ... you use apache-ssl or libapache-mod-ssl with ipv6 ?
00:08.22cafuegoleOn: The box I set up yesterday uses apache2's built-in ssl.
00:08.28RichiHtrippy: sorry, but i will not suggest anything in that direction.
00:08.28leOnah ... apache2
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00:08.46SqueegeeManis it possible to get the windows-like behaviour of auto mounting and unmounting removable media (cdrom and usb stick). I have looked at the docs for automount/autofs and played with it, but it does not seem to be the same thing since it doesn't auto-remount my usb stick when I stick it in the second/thrid/nth time
00:08.53cafuegoleOn: The other ipv6 box doesn't use ssl, but it uses mod_ssl on the ipv4 hosts.
00:09.14GAPI'm trying to use wine, but 80% of the time it says the file cannot be found, and I'm in the same directory with the file...
00:09.19cafuegoleOn: (and that's an apache 1.3.26 box)
00:09.20leOncafuego: i'm asking cause in that ipv6 repository, there is no match for apache-ssl running in stable ... neither the binaries nor the source
00:09.23BullseyespueegeeMan: hotplug
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00:09.34leOnbut they have apache
00:09.46leOnand other apache-ssl versions
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00:09.52cafuegoleOn: You'll need an ipv6 enabled mod_ssl as well, then.
00:09.56leOnwhich is kinda weird
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00:10.08SqueegeeManBullseye: will man hotplug tell me all I need to know?
00:10.26leOnyes, but i prefered apache-ssl instead of mod_ssl
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00:10.49cafuegoHowso?
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00:11.05BullseyespueegeeMan: try
00:11.28leOnseparate things... dunno... call me weird
00:11.30corrhi all, i am having problems with connecting to a ppp connection on debian testing using wvdial and my slmodem driver
00:11.32leOn=)
00:11.39cafuegoleOn: /nick weird
00:11.43leOneheh
00:12.14corrit says "Carrier lost" and then it says "Username:/login:/Login:" over and over
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00:12.42corruntil (it looks like) it sends ADAT XXX-XXXX and then it displays "Password:" and then hangs
00:13.01bahadunnMafteah: wow
00:13.17S2Ksqueegeeman: if you're running mandrake all you have to do is enable hotplug in the mandrake control center
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00:13.45SqueegeeManS2K: if I were runnign mandrake, wouldnt this be the wrong channel for me? :)
00:14.12Bullseyecan i use ipv4 and ipv6 on the same nettwork
00:14.28leOnBullseye: yep, it's called dual stack
00:14.30opphow to do i know if i have an instant messenger already installed?
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00:14.37oppwhat category is it under?
00:15.04S2Ksqueegeeman: perhaps, but you never know. in the efnet #mandrakehelp, people run gentoo...
00:15.29SqueegeeManheh
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00:16.10BullseyeleOn: ok
00:16.14apackerPoll: vlc, Xine, or mplayer ?
00:16.26S2Kall three
00:16.28medgnoapacker: mplayer, gmplayer specifically
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00:17.50apackerI have all three. mplayer doesn't work well on my machine - probably because I compiled poorly. Xine has alot of crap that gets in my way. VLC seems to be right up my alley. Can I use the w32codecs to play annoying windows media player files (*.wmv) from anywhere? i.e. the w32 codecs mplayer provides should work for all three, correct?
00:18.24S2Kxine crashes on me whenever i try to play a dvd. does that mean it wants a lib?
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00:18.48concachey people, how do i open ssh server?
00:19.21leOnapacker: what machine do you have? if i may ask ..
00:19.29apackerconcac, do you want to ssh FROM your machine TO somewhere else, or run your own ssh server?
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00:19.41concacmy own ssh server
00:19.56apackerle0n, a piece of sh*t 1.2 gig celeron I inherited... dont ask.  I did compile mplayer along time ago, perhaps I should try again...
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00:20.09leOnapacker: is it a debian system ?
00:20.21concaci want people in my lan telnet to my machine throught port 22
00:20.21jbrconcac: so install ssh (and say yes when it asks if you want to run a server)
00:20.32concacoh
00:20.36concacthanks
00:20.42oppcan yahoo messenger, aim and msn messenger be installewd in linux?
00:20.50oppi want to use them in linux??
00:20.52oppanyone?
00:20.53jbrconcac: they'll need ssh clients, not telnet
00:20.57medgnoopp: nope, but gaim can connect to it
00:21.00apackerle0n, yes, debian testing
00:21.03S2Kopp: yahoo has a java based one
00:21.05GAPS2K: I got IsoBuster but when I run Wine it says it cant find the file...
00:21.05chitiri_opp: it's called gaim
00:21.07mentoropp: No...they're Win32 Applications.
00:21.12thoreauputicopp: gaim
00:21.15concacoh
00:21.17concacthanks jbr
00:21.19leOnapacker: add    deb http://marillat.free.fr testing main    to your sources.list
00:21.24oppi have gaim, but gaim isnt the client
00:21.28mentoropp: You might want to try a GNU/Linux client that supports those networks however....
00:21.37S2Kopp: there is no msn one, but there is an official aim one. you can use kopete if you don't like kde
00:21.42S2K*if you like kde
00:21.55Weeblehmm
00:21.56leOnthen just apt-get install mplayer-686
00:21.59thoreauputicopp: gaim *is* a client
00:22.08Weeblehow the crud do I change the action of gnome-open ?
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00:22.12oppbut i want to cooneect to these networks cos of my frens
00:22.19oppall windoze user
00:22.22oppim new to linux
00:22.25oppso blurr
00:22.30S2Kgap: i have no idea how to use wine, it refuses to run anything, probably because i never got around to resolving a stupid dependency
00:22.34naimdoes anyone know where to ad window managers to gdm  ??.. plz tel me what file to edit
00:22.35thoreauputicopp: gaim does msn, aim, icq...
00:22.39mentor~tell opp about enter
00:22.42mentor~tell opp about PKGMGMT
00:22.45apackerle0n, does it come with builtin w32 support? (might be asking question incorrectly: will it play wmv's?)
00:22.47leOnapacker: i'd also intall mozilla-mplayer (mplayer plugin for mozilla)
00:22.49mentor~tell opp about dug
00:22.52mentor~tell opp about search
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00:23.05medgnoopp: gaim works really well for most of them but i don't think you can look at Y! pager images..
00:23.11leOnapacker: and apt-get install w32codecs
00:23.18leOnif you feel like it
00:23.18leOn=)
00:23.42naimopp amsn is the most famous msn client
00:24.02S2Kgaim rocks. but it looks weird because i'm running kde and it's a gtk app.
00:24.13leOnopp: yahoo has a linux client
00:24.23leOnopp: .deb and all!
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00:26.16gameduckanyone know if debian work with apadaptec scsi 2940UW PRO
00:26.17gameduck> it can't detect it
00:26.30apackerle0n, this all sounds very exciting, but apt-get ain't finding the right places. I tried adding what you said to my sources.list, and what it actually said on the webpage, and then what it actually said with dists/ appended. Any idea why apt says it cant stat the file list?
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00:27.01naimno one uses gdm ??
00:27.03naimshit
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00:27.24InfohawkIf I want my hdd to have the following settings: hdparm -c3 -u1 -m16, how do I have this done automatically upon each reboot?
00:27.33mentor~tell naim about polls
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00:27.38mentornaim: /etc/gdm/foo
00:27.51leOnapacker: have you apt-get update first ?
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00:28.39ZEAhi all. I use a dual boot system (debian/winxp) and lilo. it seems that an upgrade to lilo (now 22.5.9-2) and an execution of it has hidden my winxp partition making it impossible to boot to winxp. how do I unhide it? (I get an error in the winxp boot like "autochk not found - SKIPPING AUTOCHK")
00:28.44BullseyeInfohawk: -k1
00:28.59mentorZEA: fdisk?
00:29.03S2Kwhy is it that linux sound support almost never works by autodetecting?
00:29.22mentorS2K: wfm
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00:29.32helix!wfm
00:29.32dpkghmm... wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual?
00:29.49idnarhtimdpkg: hopwfm
00:29.49dpkghopwfm is, like, hook3d on fonix werked fer me!
00:29.58idnarhtimhrm...
00:30.10htaccesshow do i setup a user so they can use sftp but not get shell access?
00:30.13mentorhelix: moo
00:30.18helixhi :)
00:30.25S2Kand wfm is?
00:30.26mentorhtaccess: false shell?
00:30.41InfohawkBullseye, this says it only survives a soft-reset. Won't the settings get erased when I turn off the computer?
00:30.43mentorS2K: Selective blindness?
00:30.43leOnhtaccess: give the user /bin/false as shell
00:30.44ZEAmentor: how so? fdisk man page mentions nothing about hidding
00:30.48htaccessi tried using /bin/false and /usr/lib/sftp-server as the shell but neither works
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00:31.04leOnhtaccess: add /bin/false to /etc/shells
00:31.07mentorZEA: I believe hiding partitions is a Windows partition type thingy.
00:31.29S2Kwould it be a bad idea if i symlinked /dev/null to something like /home ?
00:31.31ZEAI just don't get why would lilo hide the partition
00:31.53helixZEA: maybe it's a bug - check the bts..
00:31.56pingouinnwhat the network card should be with adsl connection ? full duplex ? or half duplex ?
00:31.58BullseyeleOn: do i need to sett the hdparm setings every time i start my computer ?
00:32.01helixsomeone else was complaining about that earlier
00:32.05peterSS2K: you don't have to give a home directory that actually exists
00:32.13ricochetWhen using gnome or kde, whe I copy text, say from a webpage, and paste it into a console, it always adds [TAB]s, each line has one more tab than the last.  its really annoying.  Can anyone help me?
00:32.18mentorS2K: most likely.
00:32.26peterSS2K: i.e. you can give a user a home directory like /doesntexist
00:32.40mentorZEA: Does FDISK actually say the partition is hidden?
00:32.48leOnBullseye: probably not ... but could be a good idea to add lilo or grub a couple of append options to force dma, etc
00:33.07leOnBullseye: check lilo/grub docs on that
00:33.08peterSZEA: lilo shouldn't cause that problem, you're right
00:33.16S2Kwell would that make a good prank to rename home and symlink /dev/null to take its place?
00:33.17apackerle0n, yeah, surprised I forgot a thing like that at this stage in the game. downloading now - time for a shower! thanks.
00:33.20BullseyeleOn: ok thanks
00:33.31pingouinnBullseye, cat  /proc/ide/hdx/settings
00:33.33peterSZEA: you have lilo in your MBR?  ("boot=/dev/hda" or similar, in /etc/lilo.conf)
00:33.48S2Ksays i have new mail in /var/mail/root how do i check it, i forget...
00:33.50leOnapacker: happy screening
00:33.51peterSS2K: /dev/null is no better than /some/dir/that/doesnt/exist
00:33.55pingouinnBullseye, for sure change the x by you hd
00:33.55peterSS2K: since neither is a directory
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00:34.09peterSS2K: you can use 'mailx' but it's really just about as easy to use 'less' (:
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00:34.15pingouinnBullseye, an check the keepsettings entry
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00:34.25leOnhmmm...
00:34.28pingouinnyou can set it to 1/0 with hdparm -k
00:34.28leOnbeer anyone ?
00:34.29leOn=)
00:34.51markybobleon already on my sixth
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00:35.03leOnmarkybob: root beer?
00:35.06leOnah ah
00:35.09leOni made a joke
00:35.11leOn=P
00:35.12markybobleOn bud
00:35.12Bullseyepingouinn: i have sett hdparm -k1
00:35.19S2KpeterS: so... cat /var/mail/root | less ?
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00:35.41htaccessle0n: that doesnt work user shell is /bin/false and /bin/false in /etc/shells , at least not with winscp as the client :(
00:35.47peterSS2K: or, less +/'^From .*' /var/mail/root
00:35.54leOns2k: less /var/mail/root is also effective, and you spare one system call
00:35.55leOn=)
00:36.00peterSS2K: then use 'n' and 'N' to page through one message at a time
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00:36.07ZEApeterS: yes
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00:36.44S2KAAAARGH! all these funny symbols!
00:37.10peterSZEA: what is your winxp error, again?  it starts to boot, then says "autochk not found"?
00:37.11ZEAmentor: yes, it says Id 17 ; System: Hidden HPFS/NTFS
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00:37.30mentorZEA: So change it to a non-hidden HPFS/NTFS?
00:37.54peterSZEA: you can certainly change it to a regular NTFS filesystem - type 7
00:37.54leOnhtaccess: have you restarted sshd ?
00:38.04ZEApeterS: "autochk not found - SKIPPING AUTOCHK"
00:38.18S2Ki find it funny when it says the use of sudo will be reported.
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00:38.30ZEApeterS: yes I've read about it. But how do I do it through linux, ie, fdisk?
00:38.34ZEAmentor...
00:38.52peterSZEA: I'd do it through cfdisk.  just run 'cfdisk /dev/hda' then scroll down to your winxp partition, then type "t" and give it type 7
00:38.54ZEAand there's yet another problem... if I change it, won't I loose all data?
00:39.00mentorZEA: umm..perhaps by reading hte fdisk help?
00:39.05peterSZEA: then 'W' (capital W) to write the new partition table
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00:40.31peterSZEA: the partition type doesn't mean anything, it's just a byte in the partition table.  changing the type doesn't lose any data
00:41.00ZEApeterS: thanks
00:41.09ZEAmentor: cfdisk will do ;)
00:41.41S2Ki've heard of ipod-linux, but can linux be on an iriver ihp too?
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00:42.39SmrtJustinare all 7 isos a must?
00:42.45htaccessle0n: yup trestarted sshd each time i change something sshd logs this:
00:42.54peterSSmrtJustin: no
00:43.12htaccesssshd[27177]: Accepted password for sftpuser1 from 131.203.10.31 port 2100 ssh2
00:43.22S2Ksmrtjustin: only if you hate missing things from a set
00:43.32peterSS2K: he seems to have left
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00:44.00Justrick'ello all
00:44.05S2Khello
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00:47.06htaccesssomeone with the same question: http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2002/02/msg00091.html but no answer
00:47.06apackerleon, gmplayer starts with the following errors (pasted to #flood in a sec) and just hangs!
00:47.09JustrickQuick question from anyone here, LILO install, installer wantes to put LILO on "/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/disc"  can anyone point me to where I can find out what that means?  I was expecting the usual /dev/hda
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00:47.36thomas_adam/dev/hda *is* a link to /dev/shitty/devfs/name
00:47.46thomas_adamdevfs does that for you.
00:47.55peterSJustrick: that's hdb, I think
00:48.17peterSJustrick: that's the devfs name for same.  hda would be .../target0/lun0/disc
00:48.35apackerle0n, i think, very unfortunately, my old copy of mplayer is still installed (The one I compiled myself) and it's interfering. (it just spits out .png from whatever dir I start it in)
00:48.49apackerle0n, how can I delete just that, or should the package have trumped it?
00:49.18leOnapacker: which mplayer
00:49.21leOntype that
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00:49.30peterSleOn: or type mplayer (:
00:49.48peterSleOn: speaking of confusing things to ask people to type
00:49.49leOnpeterS: we want to find all mplayer installations
00:49.58apackerle0n, /usr/bin/mplayer
00:50.01peterSleOn: I know.  that's what the 'type' command does (:
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00:50.22Justrickperters target0 is hda target1 is hdb?  Any pointers to docs, Debian docs don't mention this at all :(
00:50.24gameduckanyone know if debian work with apadaptec scsi 2940UW PRO
00:50.24gameduck> it can't detect it
00:50.29apackerle0n, which gmplayer yields /usr/bin/gmplayer
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00:50.33jbrapacker: how about "chkdupexe"?
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00:50.52thomas_adamleon: If you have mplayer in /usr/local/bin, and /usr/local/bin is listed before /usr/bin on ${PATH}, that would cause that one to be used, as opposed to the packaged one in /usr/bin
00:51.05apackerjbr, will paste to flood in 5 seconds
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00:51.12leOnthomas_adam: that's my guess too
00:51.12S2Ki have to wonder sometimes, how windows almost always manages to recognize internal hardware
00:51.20peterSJustrick: I don't know where this stuff is documented.  but it's standard devfs naming.  if you don't like it (and many people don't!), boot with the 'devfs=nomount' kernel parameter
00:51.40peterSS2K: various plug n play specifications
00:51.55leOnpeterS: didn't know that one
00:52.02JustrickUggg, you would think that if they are switching the nameing convention it would be better documented...
00:52.05eprestonwhat is debian equiv to /etc/sysconfig/iptables saved rules?
00:52.05apackerjbr, ok so it seems there is a problem, yes? how can I fix this?
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00:52.10peterSS2K: the nice thing about being Microsoft is that whatever your software does, the hardware vendors will make sure their hardware complies with just enough of the specs so that your OS works with it
00:52.15leOn=)
00:52.31apackerjbr, le0n, thomas_adam, should I justs delete one of the mplayer bin's?
00:52.31Justrickpeters: I'm trying to get a deb install to boot.  Get as far as instll LILO, reboot, nothing.... :(
00:52.34peterSleOn: yeah, 'which' is a csh-ism.  the posix shell equivalent is 'type' and 'type -a'
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00:52.43jbrapacker: mv /usr/local/mplayer /usr/local/mplayer.local
00:52.49thomas_adamapacker: yes, and in the future......
00:52.54eprestonor where should I put permanent iptables rules I want loaded at boot time?
00:52.57thomas_adam!tell apacker about stwo
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00:53.00abrotmanJustrick: which installer?
00:53.03jbrapacker: (oops: ^bin)
00:53.05thomas_adam!tell apacker about stow
00:53.11apackerjbr, ah, yes :)
00:53.20abrotmanJustrick: are you booting off the CD .. or .. well .. what have you done so far?
00:53.39debianepreston: I usually put it in /etc/init.d/
00:53.44sbk_Bullseye: I've put my hdparm settings in an init.d start script -- not certain if -k1 is good enough, but in any case -- my thinking is that if I ever need to undo things, it won't be a nightmare :-)
00:54.13eprestonI have to write my own script to load? I'm used to RH having a init script already and loading /etc/sysconfig/iptables as rule file
00:54.24thomas_adamepreston: call a script from /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh
00:54.26JustrickTRied Beta4 no joy, all varients, have disk1 i386 snapshot from 200411,
00:54.27S2Kpeters: that makes sense... but it's not fair... stupid windows. i'd have 20gb available to my loved linux distro if only i didn't have to keep the windows disc image on the hd
00:54.29Bullseyesbk_: ok :)
00:54.35eprestonnot that this is a problem, I'm just wondering the correct debian way
00:55.14Justrickabrotman: if I ue /dev/hdc (not /dev/hdd) and choose expert, I can config the network and it seems to go fine.
00:55.16apackerjbr, Thank you!! mplayer now works. gmplayer is still screwed but I hate gui's anyway... thanks to all !
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00:55.24Justrickabrotman: never can get it to reboot though...
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00:55.40abrotmanJustrick: which architecture?
00:56.03S2Kdoes anyone know what to do with stupid windows disk images? can they be burned to disks in a way that you can install windows? stupid manufacturer says i have to pay $200 to get that stupid file stuck on my hd.
00:56.21abrotmanS2K: which manufacturer?
00:56.26thomas_adamS2K: They would say that.
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00:57.12Justrickabrotman: Aopen VT600 Athlon Xp+ 2500, WIn2k on /dev/hda, Linux (/ on /hdb1, <swap> /hdb2, /home /hdb3, vfat, /hdb4) on the other disk, /hdc DVD, /hdd CD-ROM
00:57.24abrotmansata?
00:57.27htaccessle0n: it is actually possible: http://www.sancho2k.net/filemgmt_data/files/scponly.html :)
00:57.29eprestonso there is no general debian admin standard way to keep iptables rules?
00:57.42somiajhow do you stop a job directly? (fg <job>; ctrl-c just seems sloppy)
00:58.00peterSsomiaj: kill %jobid
00:58.04Oberttp://www.linux.org.uk/~ober/irclog.html
00:58.09somiajpeterS: ahh, thanks..(:
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00:58.27peterSsomiaj: and if you want the app to think it was a ctrl-c... kill -INT %jobid
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00:58.39abrotmanJustrick: sata?
00:58.39peterSsomiaj: (INT == "interrupt" == what ctrl-c sends)
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00:58.53Justrickabrotman: Nope, EIDE 133
00:59.05leOnhtaccess: guess what ... it's part of debian
00:59.06leOn=)
00:59.08eprestonah okay... to answer my own question /etc/defaults/iptables is a place to look
00:59.14somiajpeterS: ok, I just didn't see how to kill the job directly, the % was key..(:, tried stop 1 but that didn't work...(:
00:59.15Justrickabrotman: try to keep things simple for Linux.. :)
00:59.17htaccessstable?
00:59.35abrotmanJustrick: have you asked #debian-boot?
00:59.41htaccesshmm testing
00:59.41abrotmanJustrick: or tried a daily build?
00:59.42leOnnope. testing and unstable
00:59.59maherdoes anyone have a via c3/antaur based laptop?
01:00.09Justricktried daily builds of beta4, but it never finishes downloading
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01:00.12S2Kabrotman: fujitsu, even though they donate to osdn
01:00.13leOnhtaccess: guess what
01:00.15htaccessi may just compile anyway, get the options just right
01:00.21leOnbackports.org has it
01:00.21htaccessbackports?>
01:00.23leOn=)
01:00.27htaccess:)
01:00.34abrotmanS2K: can you still return it .. IBM gave me the CDs for free .. after i complained a little
01:00.37htaccesscool, thanks
01:00.57Justrickthere aren't any mirrors of beta4, just debian.org.  can't dl it from here (ADSL) nor fromthe office (multiple T1's)
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01:01.12abrotmanJustrick: why can't you download it?
01:01.24Justrickgets to a certain point and dies....
01:01.31gameduckanyone know of a scsi controller that is comptiable with debian 3.0? the one i got right now is a adaptec 2940U W PRO. and its not being recoginize. anyone know of any?
01:01.34abrotmanits only 110MB
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01:01.44abrotmangameduck: it is compatible
01:01.45tvnanyone into artificial intelligence subjects such as Bayesian network or neuron network ?
01:01.49leOngameduck: that one is
01:01.50Justrickcan Jigdo the dailys of "sarge" so that's what I'm using
01:02.02abrotmanJustrick: you tried beta4 and it barfs?
01:02.04sliipyhow can i force pam to read md5 passwords instead of... whatever-it-tries-to-read-now.. ?
01:02.05abrotmanthe download i mean
01:02.11leOnJustrick: just get the netinstaller
01:02.28leOnit's a 3MB cd image
01:02.43Justrickleon: I have the beta4 netinstaller, it can never boot into debian.
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01:02.52abrotmanJustrick: what about the 100MB image?
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01:02.53gameducku sure!!
01:03.00abrotmangameduck: i had one
01:03.01leOngameduck: yep
01:03.06abrotmangameduck: are you trying to install?
01:03.08gameduckleon. i plug that in and it says can't detect HD?
01:03.12gameduckyes
01:03.13leOncan't remember the module though
01:03.17abrotmangameduck: use vanilla
01:03.22Justrickabrotman: the daily builds of beta4 never finish, tried FireFox, tried IE (IE finishes bt with corrupt MD5)
01:03.23gameduckwhat is vanilla?
01:03.34abrotmanJustrick: try a real downloader :) .. with resume
01:03.36gameduckit says load a modules from floppy??
01:03.43gameduckwhat modules do i need fromt he floppy
01:03.46abrotmangameduck: enter vanilla at the prompt .. instead of just hitting enter
01:03.52gameduckwhere do a i get a adaptec modules
01:03.56gameducki see!!
01:03.58abrotmanits in there
01:03.59gameducklet me try abrotman
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01:04.13Justrickabrotman: what would you suggest?  They only appear to offer an HTTP site, and it doesn't seem to support resumeing
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01:04.25abrotmanJustrick: opera does resume with http
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01:04.40leOnwget resumes
01:04.43Justrickabrotman: Slackware 9.1 used to live on /dev/hdb fine....
01:04.52abrotmanleOn: i assume he means for win32
01:04.53S2Kabrotman: err... it's about 3 years old but still under warranty
01:05.02abrotmanS2K: eww .. that sucks ..
01:05.12abrotmanS2K: i think you're kind of stuck
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01:05.35S2Kbut its got win2k, the least buggy version of windows!
01:05.40abrotmanheh
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01:05.44abrotman200$ ..
01:05.45Justrickabrotman: Deb never gets to the reboot stage, GRUB -> MBR, /dev/hdb1, /dev/hda1, floppy, LILO same deal, no joy
01:05.48S2Kthey've also stopped manufacturing the model
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01:05.55abrotmanS2K: you paid forit .. telll them you want the god damned media
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01:06.05abrotmanor you will tell all your friends to avoid at all costs
01:06.16Justrickabrotman: There doesn't seem to be an option for a boot floppy...
01:06.34abrotmanJustrick: it really seems like something with the installer barfed .. ask #debian-boot .. they make them
01:06.45Justrick2.6 doesn't support it, apparently, and the debian-boot guys haven't got around to actually including it yet.
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01:07.06phil-jIs it possible to get rid of packages that were installed as dependencies to packages I have subsequently removed?
01:07.11S2Kwell... i've told them but the support techs are stubborn
01:07.16abrotmanphil-j: deborphan
01:07.23abrotmanS2K: ask for a manager
01:07.32phil-jabrotman: Thanks.
01:07.32S2Ki did call them just for fun and talked to them about linux, they're native english speakers!
01:07.44abrotmanS2K: you paid for it .. thats dumb
01:07.55S2Kyeah, i know...
01:07.56Justrickthe lat time I got to the LILO =? /dev/ide/host.... and didnt' recognize any of it.  accepted defaults and it parfed
01:08.14S2Kand it supposedly costs $14 for a stupid rubber foot that i lost
01:08.51abrotmanJustrick: have you tried the woody installer?
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01:09.08S2Kbut the good side is all the girls who see it think its the sexiest computer ever
01:09.16abrotmanlifebook?
01:09.18fmcalguien habla castellano?
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01:09.23abrotman!spanish
01:09.24dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there.
01:09.26justin`S2K: kewl!!l11l11
01:09.41leOn!portuguese
01:09.41dpkgsomebody said portuguese was the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues.
01:09.47S2Kyes, a lifebook p2000
01:09.54leOnbah
01:10.01Oberdpkg portuguese blows em
01:10.01dpkgOber: wish i knew
01:10.04leOnbr is not portuguese
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01:10.14abrotmanyes it is
01:10.14leOnbr is brazilian
01:10.15leOn=P
01:10.16phil-jIs deborphan included in Debian 3.0 (Woody)?
01:10.25abrotmanoh .. they speak it though
01:10.28abrotmanphil-j: yes
01:10.32abrotman!info deborphan woody
01:10.44dpkgdeborphan: (Find orphaned libraries.), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0-3 (woody), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 160 kB
01:10.47phil-jabrotman: Fantastic.
01:11.11S2Kits only 2 inches deeper than its cd drive
01:11.22cafuegoleOn: Guess what they speak in brazil?
01:11.31S2Kbrazilian?
01:11.33leOnabrotman: once it was portuguese ... they tended to borrow and adapt some foreign terms though due to proximity to the US
01:11.34abrotmanS2K: tell them you want the god damned cds
01:11.45S2Ki definitely will
01:11.45abrotmanleOn: like quebecois?
01:11.54peterSleOn: the reality is that if you want Debian help in the Portuguese language, #debian-br is your best bet
01:11.56S2Kfrench?
01:12.02cafuegoleOn: It's still portugese, mate.
01:12.03leOni'd say... like belgium to france
01:12.04peterSleOn: even if you live in Portugal or Angola
01:12.05phil-jabrotman: I had been wondering why Debian remembers "purged" and "removed" packages... now I know.
01:12.25phil-jDebian really does rule.
01:12.31peterSphil-j: heh
01:12.34leOnit's not a case of accent
01:12.41cafuegoit's brazilian portugese, much like you have american english.
01:12.46S2Kdebian rules because it doesn't use things like urpmi for package management
01:12.49leOnthey have words that simply are not portuguese words
01:12.54jbrleOn: (fmc wasn't a portuguese-speaker anyway)
01:12.58cafuegoleOn: No, it's a dialect, not an accent.
01:12.59leOnso ... i'd say it's not portuguese
01:13.11peterSleOn: yeah, that's why pt_BR and pt_PT are two different locale settings, and potentially two different translations of a program
01:13.25cafuegoleOn: The brazilians I met reckoned it's portugese and so does the portugese guy here.
01:13.28peterSleOn: however, if you speak Portuguese and want help in your native language, #debian-br is still probably your best bet
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01:13.50marcstspeaking as a quebecois who's acutely aware of the differences between the french spoken here and in say, paris istill would hasard to say brasilians probalby consider what they speak is basically portuguese
01:14.04cafuegoIn brazil, if you don't speak the lingo, you say "I don't speak portugese" not "I don't speak brazilian".
01:14.10leOncafuego: who's the "portuguese guy here" ? =)
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01:14.37cafuegoleOn: Not on the channel, around the neighbourhood here 9he's visiting a mutual german friend)
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01:15.47cafuegohe and I had a long discussion about it, as I got back from brazil not long before he arrived here
01:15.56Justrickabrotman: noone seems to be talking in Debian-boot
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01:16.23abrotmanJustrick: they're slow sometimes
01:16.25S2Kare there different versions of command line apps for the different languages?
01:16.57leOncafuego: like i was saying before ... each day that goes by, brazilian starts being brazilian and stops being portuguese
01:17.02abrotmanS2K: doesnt' everyone speak english? :)
01:17.17S2Kwell... almost
01:17.20phil-jWhat is the easiest way to determine if a network card has been successfully configured by DHCP using a script? I thought perhaps 'grep eth0 /proc/net/arp'.
01:17.34abrotmanphil-j: dmesg?
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01:17.41S2Kso everyone speaks a foreign language except for americans, who expect special treatment
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01:17.51guestishphil-j: the easiest way is to just use links to connect to a website
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01:17.57guestishphil-j: the otherway is ifconfig -a
01:18.01abrotmanS2K: and apparently we get it :)
01:18.06abrotman!hit me
01:18.10dondelelcaroS2K: ah yes, glittering generalities...
01:18.15Justrickabrotman: ANy idea why things are so borked?  Should I try installing from the "official" CD's and then try to apt upgrade to "Sarge"?
01:18.15S2Kindeed
01:18.31S2Kbut i was forced to take 9 years of french
01:18.32abrotmanJustrick: i still say to try the 100 mb image .. i think theres a boot floppy option on that installer
01:18.37guestishS2K: hahaha, sucks for you
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01:18.46abrotmanS2K: where did you go to school .. catholic school
01:18.47abrotman??
01:18.54guestish;)
01:19.00S2Knope, the "UN school"
01:19.07abrotmanunschool?
01:19.07leOns2k: tu parle français ?
01:19.08gameduckis there a auto parition in debian??
01:19.08cafuegoabrotman: Just in a country that values other cultures.
01:19.09leOn=)
01:19.16jsjwhat big bugs had debian in the last month??
01:19.18guestishS2K: UN school?
01:19.22gameduckleon. thx that worked!!!
01:19.22abrotmangameduck: i dont think in woody there was
01:19.24jsjwe had a server hosted with debian
01:19.25S2Kcatholic school teaches latin, hm?
01:19.30gameducki got it to detect..
01:19.31stewgameduck: the new sarge installer does
01:19.34S2Kun, as in the people who fight for pease
01:19.34gameducknow how do i create a swap parition?
01:19.34cafuegoAND 3 years of latin
01:19.36JustrickWhich 100Meg image?  3.0, sarge testing offical, daily beta4?
01:19.36jsjand it got really bad hack
01:19.36S2K*peace
01:19.40cafuegoand not a catholic in sight
01:19.43marcstpeas? :)
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01:19.47abrotmanJustrick: beta4 .. or daily build
01:19.47guestish!tell gameduck about swap
01:19.48gameduckstew. how do i get the new sarge installer?
01:19.56abrotman!tell gameduck about d-i
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01:20.19S2Khmmm...
01:20.25S2K!tell me about toilet paper
01:20.30abrotman!TP
01:20.31dpkg[tp] I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO! I NEED TP FOR MY BUNGHOLE!
01:20.37S2Klol
01:20.43guestishgameduck: use cfdisk or fdisk to format then format it as a swap drive. then after all that, put an entry in /etc/fstab
01:20.55leOnoh oh
01:20.58cafuegowtf is dpkg suddently whining about vmlinuz symlinks?
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01:21.06S2Kwho programmed that bot?
01:21.09leOnno more beer
01:21.11leOn=P
01:21.21abrotman!what are you
01:21.22dpkgI am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
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01:21.41Justrickabrotman: I have the official businesscard-netinstall of beta4, it only gets as far as INSTLL LILO/GRUB -> reboot into nothing.... :(
01:21.58guestishS2K: which ones?
01:22.07cafuegoJustrick: well, it *is* beta
01:22.09guestishdpkg, who owns you?
01:22.09dpkgdondelelcaro does
01:22.34Justrickcafuego: Yea, tell me about it, the wife thinks I"m nuts, been at this for a couple of weeks now
01:22.43S2Kwhich ones what?
01:22.44phil-jIn Debian useradd, is it possible to have a new user belong to multiple supplemental groups without having to specify each supplementary group using the -G option?
01:23.24abrotmanJustrick: thats why im saying the full 110MB installer
01:23.32abrotmanphil-j: man useradd
01:23.42gameduckcan i boot from bf2.4
01:23.43Justrickabrotman: have never been able to get it to finish downloading....
01:23.59abrotmangameduck: try it .. i dont remember if that driver is in bf24
01:24.00S2Ki still think its amazing that i'm easily surviving on 6.6 GB under linux.
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01:24.08gameduckthx
01:24.09abrotmanJustrick: use something that supports http resume
01:24.13guestishS2K: thats plenty of space
01:24.22jbrS2K: I wish I had that
01:24.26S2Ki know. but coming from windows its crazy
01:24.28Justricklol
01:24.51S2Ki'd take dependency hell over dll hell any day
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01:25.03gameduckhow do i auto parition?
01:25.14S2Kauto?
01:25.18guestishS2K: meh, windows is a resource hohg
01:25.19abrotmanS2K: debian doesn't have that
01:25.19guestishS2K: meh, windows is a resource hoh
01:25.20guestishS2K: meh, windows is a resource hog
01:25.24phil-jIs it possible to do spellcheck through ibritish in gedit?
01:25.37guestishphil-j: anything is possible if you add the feature yourself
01:25.41abrotmanguestish: im guessing you can spell hog .. you just have shitty typing skills
01:25.48S2Kqtparted!
01:25.49guestishabrotman: you got it!
01:25.53InfohawkWhat is /etc/hdparm.conf used for? Is it used at boot?
01:26.01guestishabrotman: well, i can type fast enough, i just cant spell worth sh**
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01:26.09Justrickabrotman: too bad tehy don't have a mirror/jigdo/ftp site to dl from.
01:26.10guestishabrotman: and the spelling plugin is annoying
01:26.10l^rchkrnI tried to help a friend and had a strange error:
01:26.24abrotmanJustrick: are you sure theres no mirror?
01:26.27abrotmanthere was before
01:27.18l^rchkrninsmod says "Unsatisfied dependency". depmod -a runs without errors. what is this error?
01:27.19Justrickabrotman: the only link on Debian.org points to  -> http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/
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01:28.10S2Kwindows is a resource hog because no developer trusts another developer to make good dlls. that's why office consistently uses totally different dlls instead of calling on the normal windows ones.
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01:28.46phil-jIs it possible to identify a package that contains a particular file, when that package is *not* currently installed?
01:28.53abrotmanJustrick: so get the 115MB image .. use something that does http resume .. (i know opera does)
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01:29.01l^rchkrnWindoze is cooperative multitasking. What else needs to be said?!
01:29.05nkuttlerphil-j: /msg dpkg search
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01:29.26S2Kwhy is it cooperative?
01:29.28phil-jWhat does /msg do?
01:29.30S2Kit doesn't cooperate with me.
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01:29.34tristaHello
01:29.38nkuttlerphil-j: try. in this window
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01:29.50l^rchkrnS2K: :-)
01:30.04tristacan I just move shutdown from sbin to bin so that a normal user can shutdown the system with the gnome menu?
01:30.15l^rchkrnphil-j: look at packages.debian.org
01:30.16abrotman!tell phil-j about msg
01:30.29Justrickabrotman: http resume on Win2K free/without installing a ton of Ad/Spy ware?
01:30.31jefftrista: i wouldn't move /sbin/shutdown :)
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01:30.41abrotmanJustrick: afaik .. opera has none
01:30.52S2Ksometimes i find myself thinking "if windows wasn't nearly so ugly, maybe i would actually boot it for once"
01:30.57NeKro|codinggot a quick question. I am downloading the Debian Stable Images for installation.. If you live in Canada do you get the debian-30r2-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso  ?
01:30.57Justrickthe free version has adware last time I checked
01:31.02jefftrista: you could create a symbolic link... but even then, the user would need the proper permissions to initiate the shutdown. that might be handled for you already...
01:31.07phil-jabrotman: Got it.
01:31.10abrotmanS2K: so why pester fujitsu for cds?
01:31.16PTIm trying to load my modules with modprobe in 2.6.6 and it says lsmod: QM_MODULES Fucntion not implemented and actually i did apt-get install modutils and it says that it is on the latest version any ideas ?
01:31.20abrotmanJustrick: no .. it has ads .. not adware
01:31.27tristajeff I guess that I will check google.
01:31.32l^rchkrnJustrick: Mozilla for windows?
01:31.48jbrNeKro|coding: even in the US they can use NONUS - it just can't be exported over US borders
01:31.54S2Kabrotman: just in case i need it
01:32.21PTideas ?
01:32.23NeKro|codingjbr, oh.. ok.
01:32.27jbrNeKro|coding: (crazed "munitions" export restrictions)
01:32.29S2Kwhy is palm becoming increasingly negative to linux?
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01:32.47S2Kthe new palm os simulator doesn't run under linux or mac, only windows.
01:32.47l^rchkrnPT: use module-init-tools
01:32.57PTl^rchkrn ok
01:33.00l^rchkrnPT: its for 2.6.x
01:33.02NeKro|codingjbr, oh ok ...lol. So if I can use either..
01:33.08l^rchkrnPT: dont uninstall modutils
01:33.33PTok ok
01:33.42PTI had forgot about that thanks
01:33.43Justrickabrotman: Just died at 45Mg
01:33.44l^rchkrnIsnt NON-US dead?
01:33.45cafuegoS2K: They probably don't want people to run the palm simulator on linux iPaqs
01:33.57jbrl^rchkrn: apparently not for woody
01:33.57S2Klol, that might make sense
01:34.08cafuegol^rchkrn: modutils and module-init-tools work fine installs together.
01:34.09l^rchkrnjbr: Oh. But it is for sid right?
01:34.17l^rchkrncafuego: Yes i know
01:34.19S2Khow do i compile a new kernel? i'm running 2.4 and after trying mandrake 10, i must have 2.6
01:34.22abrotmanJustrick: use resume damn it :)
01:34.25l^rchkrncafuego: I told not to uninstall modutils
01:34.41cafuegol^rchkrn: ah duh, sleepy me :-)
01:34.48l^rchkrn:-)
01:35.14rdancer!tell S2K about 2.6
01:35.27abrotmanS2K: woody?
01:35.27S2Kcan i apt-get 2.6?
01:35.31abrotmansarge?
01:35.33abrotmansid?
01:35.42rdancerS2K: the last one ;)
01:36.01abrotmanS2K: what are you running?
01:36.15S2Kdebian something
01:36.26S2K3
01:36.31abrotmanS2K: stable/testing/unstable
01:36.37abrotman!tell S2K about bunk2.6
01:36.40S2Kit was unstable when i instaleld
01:36.43abrotman!tell S2K about bunk 2.6
01:36.48abrotmandamn it
01:36.52abrotmanbunk is for stable
01:36.55InfohawkWhat is /etc/hdparm.conf used for? Is it used at boot?
01:37.06S2Khmm... wait... it was actually testing.
01:37.12S2Kbut it's an old build
01:37.32S2Kyay, i like dillo.
01:37.33l^rchkrnS2K: You can just apt-get a kernel.
01:37.49abrotmanapt-cache search kernel-image-2.6
01:37.51l^rchkrnS2K: If you upgrade your system.
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01:37.58S2Kif i upgrade to?
01:38.26abrotmanS2K: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6
01:38.35abrotmanif you see something .. you've got sarge or sid
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01:39.01S2Kwhoosh, and a large flood comes out
01:39.13S2Ki should post it to #flood?
01:39.14l^rchkrnS2K: Great
01:39.19l^rchkrnS2K: No.
01:39.25l^rchkrnS2K: apt-get update
01:39.40l^rchkrnS2K: And install one of those kernel-images
01:39.47jbrInfohawk: /usr/share/doc/hdparm/README.Debian says /etc/init.d/hdparm reads /etc/hdparm.conf
01:39.54l^rchkrnS2K: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.6 is the latest
01:40.06abrotmanonly in sid
01:40.07S2Ki only see up to 2.6.5
01:40.15l^rchkrn2.6.5 is fine
01:40.17S2Kit says kernel-tree
01:40.17abrotmanS2K: run apt-get update
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01:40.25abrotmanthen apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 again
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01:42.00S2Kerr... i only see kernel image 2.6.5
01:42.09abrotmanso install it
01:42.24S2Kthere's no way to optimize it for my transmeta?
01:42.30FieldySnuts2.6.6 just came out, relax.
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01:42.33phil-jIn nmap, what does it mean when it says a port is "filtered"? I have a Debian box with no ports open. When I run nmap from another machine against its eth0 interface it says "All ports are: closed". But if I connect the Debian box to the Internet with wvdial and then nmap the ppp0 interface from another machine, I get some seemingly random "filtered" ports.
01:42.37l^rchkrnS2K: You may also need udev and module-init-tools and alsa-base and...
01:42.41abrotmandoesn't transmeta optimize for you?
01:42.51abrotmanphil-j: firewall somewhere filtering connections
01:43.03abrotmanphil-j: or your ISP is doing it
01:43.07S2Ki don't have a clue. it changes whatever instruction set it gets to its native one
01:43.13S2Ki don't remember the specifics
01:43.19S2Kcisc to risc i think
01:43.44phil-jabrotman: You are a guru.
01:43.50l^rchkrnphil-j: filtered = no response.
01:43.57S2Kwhat's smp?
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01:44.03g4ltphil-j filtered means that the RST came too quick
01:44.17phil-jS2K: Symmetric Multi Processing.
01:44.22abrotman!smp
01:44.23dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/
01:44.23S2Ki see
01:44.31abrotmanphil-j: nah .. you souhld see greycat
01:44.48phil-jWhat is greycat?
01:44.50abrotmanor bob2
01:44.52S2Knooo! it wants to eat my hotplug!
01:44.56abrotmanor ElectricElf
01:44.59S2Keh, oh well
01:45.00l^rchkrnS2K: If you want to optimize it, you should compile it for yourself and set the settings yourslf.
01:45.04FieldySnuts!spank
01:45.18hlenever since gnome 2.4, something boring happens to me: whenever I minimize a window, none of the other open windows get focus, so I can't minimize two windows without taking my hands off the keyboard.. anyone feel that too, or know a way around it?
01:45.21FieldySnutsdpkg: hi?
01:45.21abrotmanor FieldySnuts .. now hes .. hes a genius.... on par with darthPuff
01:45.21dpkghello, fieldysnuts
01:45.37FieldySnutsi know much about smp
01:45.39l^rchkrnFieldySnuts: Whats wrong?
01:47.15S2Khow do i make the keramik/geramik theme go away in gtk apps? i change the theme in the gnome prefs thing and it won't go away. (stupid mepis)
01:47.26xzgvl^rchkdrn: i'm gonna install the 2.6.6, i'm using a PII/266 nothing fancy, all i need is the module-init-tools and "udev" is that right?
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01:47.31opphow can i listen or read or play mp3 files in winodws hdd that is mounted
01:47.44opp.docs. and text too
01:47.53l^rchkrndpkg: Differentiate(Fibonacci((Solve(x^x=Pi, x))!))
01:47.53dpkgl^rchkrn: I give up, what is it?
01:47.55abrotmanopp: xmms, openoffice
01:48.05abrotmanopp: or you mean how do you access them?
01:48.18oppyes, i mounted them already
01:48.19abrotmanl^rchkrn: you broke him :)
01:48.25abrotmanopp: xmms,openoffice
01:48.32FieldySnutsdpkg: square root of -1 ?
01:48.35oppi want to listen, execte , or read the files in linux dbebian
01:48.36S2Kopenoffice is evil, too bulky
01:48.36abrotmanyou down with opp
01:48.39dpkgFieldySnuts: i haven't a clue
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01:48.43S2Ki like nano
01:48.44abrotmanopp: i just told you how
01:48.50l^rchkrnxzgv: And maybe hotplug and alsa-base if you want sound...
01:48.51abrotmanS2K: but its good for word docs
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01:49.03xzgvl^rchkrn: thx, pal
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01:49.17busboyhello, which is better avi player?  xine or mplayer
01:49.26l^rchkrndpkg: 2+2
01:49.27dpkgmethinks 2+2 is 5 for large values of 2, or 57, or slashdot math
01:49.27FieldySnutsthey're both about the same
01:49.34busboyany suggestion?
01:49.44l^rchkrnabrotman: Its already broken.
01:49.49zeeblebusboy mplayer works fine
01:49.58l^rchkrnFieldySnuts: Sqrt(-1)=i
01:49.59abrotmantotem
01:50.07zeebleyeah, totem too
01:50.09FieldySnutsno. no imaginary numbers allowed.
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01:50.24abrotmanwe're talking hot hot hot
01:50.25zeebleok, what is the name of that "real player" thing?
01:50.31abrotmanhelix
01:50.31S2Kabrotman: i stopped using word since i got a virus on w2k, rendering it totally unstable. w2k would routinely tell me it couldn't access certain memory addresses and crash most programs. i just used notepad for... far too long until i found a suitable livecd that didn't do weird things
01:50.44smacnaywhere are the alsa devices listed...?
01:50.45l^rchkrnFieldySnuts: Try mathbot in #math
01:50.52robochan!punish robochan for being a dumbass
01:50.55FieldySnutsl^rchkrn: no thanks, don't care
01:50.57abrotmanS2K: they make patches and virus removal programs for that
01:51.04l^rchkrn8\
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01:51.16S2Kerr
01:51.29FieldySnuts!pee
01:51.30dpkgOk.
01:51.35S2Ki think it was klez and it killed the viruscan
01:51.36abrotman!poop
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01:51.41S2Klol
01:51.46FieldySnuts!shit
01:51.47dpkgfrom memory, shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit.
01:51.50FieldySnutsheh
01:51.55S2K!piss
01:51.55dpkgfrom memory, piss is what Hitler liked women to do on him.
01:51.56l^rchkrn!go home
01:51.59FieldySnutserr
01:52.03FieldySnuts!fuck off
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01:52.07rbdany good alternatives to big brother out there (I'm running big brother now, but I'm looking for something that is easier to set up, has better integration with RRDTool/MRTG and if there are debian packages available that would be great)
01:52.12abrotman!be good
01:52.14l^rchkrn:-D
01:52.17helixabrotman: bleh
01:52.19S2K!fuck hand
01:52.20FieldySnuts!start a language war
01:52.21dpkgLogo is faster than LITHP
01:52.27abrotmanhelix: sorry .. its the name of the player :)
01:52.28damogIs anybody having problems with 2.6.6+NVIDIA module?
01:52.34jeffrbd: nagios. http://www.nagios.org/
01:52.34helixabrotman: i know
01:52.36g4lt!-1**.5
01:52.37dpkg-1
01:52.42abrotmanhelix: i hope i didn't beep your term
01:52.43rbdjeff: thanks I'll check it out
01:52.46robochandamog: not on my voodoo5 :)
01:52.47oppi copied thre file to xmms
01:52.50oppdoesnt play
01:52.51opp:(
01:52.51FieldySnutsdamog: yes, lots of people. nvidia didn't get their shit together on time (they knew about the upcoming issue) and didn't fix their drivers.
01:52.57g4ltthere you go, the square roor of -1 is -1 ;P
01:53.02jeffrbd: or Cacti or Cricket, both of which are RRDTool type things for lots of monitoring, but not service monitoring, which nagios does.
01:53.08x|edamog, not yet i havent upgraded yet but i will and i let ya know ;)
01:53.11helixabrotman: you're yellow
01:53.17abrotmanim yellow?
01:53.23FieldySnuts!start a beer war
01:53.28S2Kyay!
01:53.31FieldySnutsmm, boddingtons
01:53.33l^rchkrnWhat?
01:53.36l^rchkrn!info helix
01:53.37abrotmanhelix: oh .. my nick
01:53.40damogFieldySnuts: is there anything to do?
01:53.42abrotman!helix
01:53.43dpkgleave her alone.
01:53.45abrotmangrr
01:53.46helixabrotman: :)
01:53.46damogx|e: lol :)
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01:53.49abrotman!helixplayer
01:53.51x|ehehe ;)
01:53.52FieldySnutsdamog: wait for nvidia to come out with fixed drivers
01:53.54abrotman!helix player
01:53.55dpkgLeave player alone, moron
01:53.59helixhahaha
01:54.00FieldySnutshaha
01:54.02abrotman!i give up
01:54.08FieldySnuts!moron apt
01:54.09dpkgapt: You are moron #76
01:54.12aptdpkg: what are you talking about?
01:54.12helix!listkeys helix
01:54.12dpkgFactoid search of 'helix' by key (12 shown): upgrade to helix-gnome ;; sing helix ;; helix ;; helix problems ;; cmd: helixsmite (.*?) ;; helixgnome ;; cmd: helix (.*?) ;; helixcode ;; removing helixcode ;; helix-mirrors ;; CMD: helixsnack (.*?) ;; helix`.
01:54.23x|edamog, im using 2.6.5 and i have no problems, so i dont know why 2.6.6 would
01:54.27guestish!helixsnack
01:54.32abrotmanhelix: not listed huh?
01:54.38abrotman!listkeys realplayer
01:54.40dpkgFactoid search of 'realplayer' by key (5 shown): xmms realplayer ;; realplayer xmms #DEL# ;; realplayer-g2 ;; realplayer xmms ;; realplayer.
01:54.52damogx|e: I _am_ too, but I just compiled 2.6.6 and NVIDIA module is broken, and well, maybe FieldySnuts is right.
01:54.54helixabrotman: i think i overwrote it because i'm evil
01:54.55abrotmanoh wait .. whats helixcode?
01:54.58abrotman!helixcode
01:54.59dpkgi heard helixcode is commenting out helix line in /etc/apt/sources.list, then (don't change a single space!): cp /var/lib/dpkg/status /root/status.bak && { echo ',s/^Version:.*helix.*$/Version: 0/'; echo 'wq'; } |ed /var/lib/dpkg/status && apt-get -f upgrade
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01:55.03abrotmanoh well
01:55.07zeeblethere is no factoid?
01:55.12helixTINF
01:55.17abrotmanzeeble: for helix player?
01:55.24zeebleabrotman yeah
01:55.28abrotmanapparently not
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01:55.41x|emaybe damog, im going to try it tomorrow morning
01:55.47zeebleapt-get upgrade = 48M :(
01:55.53g4lthelix pouts when her nickchime goes off too much for us to effectively make one ;P
01:55.54damogx|e: ok
01:56.10x|eto tired to do anything atm ;/
01:56.16helixi'm so demanding
01:56.19abrotmanhelix: considered xileh ?
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01:56.24helixneva!
01:56.32FieldySnuts!analintrude apt
01:56.33abrotmandoublehelix?
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01:56.43helixabrotman: yeah, i considered that.. too long
01:56.48zeeblenah, helix is fine
01:56.50l^rchkrnFieldySnuts: Ick!
01:57.03FieldySnuts!start a browser war
01:57.03dpkgOpera is more useful than Konqueror!
01:57.11robochanyippee
01:57.12helixFieldySnuts: ok, stop. please :)
01:57.21FieldySnutshelix: hehe okie :>
01:57.32FieldySnutsjust mad that i didn't ... m/m
01:57.54S2Kyes it is.
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01:58.23abrotman!helix player is https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/
01:58.24l^rchkrn!seen *!*@*:dead:c0de
01:58.25dpkgLeave player is https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/ alone, moron
01:58.25dpkgi haven't seen '*!*@*:dead:c0de', l^rchkrn
01:58.38abrotmangod damn it
01:58.40helixhaha, wtf
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01:59.05abrotman!helixplayer
01:59.05dpkgwell, helixplayer is https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/
01:59.10abrotmanbetter
01:59.15zeeblenice
01:59.31S2Kumm, on updating kde from 3.1.4 to 3.2, am i going to encounter any nasty errors?
01:59.36S2Kwhile running kde?
01:59.39cafuegoS2K: Probably.
01:59.45abrotmanS2K: kde hates everyone
01:59.53S2Kwhy
01:59.57robochanis there a debian install that includes the sbcd module?
01:59.58l^rchkrn? No.
02:00.09damogFieldySnuts: I can't get any web information about that, do you have any?
02:00.16abrotmansbcd?
02:00.26FieldySnutsdamog: i have no idea what you're talking about
02:00.27GuerinS2K: I didn't. Not one. In sid, when it was first released, no less.
02:00.29robochanyes, it's an age old proprietary cdrom module
02:00.48l^rchkrnrobochan: No proprietary software in Debian...
02:00.53abrotman!sbcd
02:01.03abrotmanoh .. for the sound blaster cards with ide controllers?
02:01.07l^rchkrnMaybe CDROM by Creative, nop?
02:01.07robochanit's a kernel module, it's just not compiled in by default
02:01.14robochanabrotman: that's the one
02:01.35S2Kguerin: were you running kde when you did it?
02:01.42abrotmanrobochan: im sorry :)
02:01.46damogFieldySnuts: weren't you telling something about 2.6.6+nvidia?
02:01.46robochanif not, no biggie, I can bring the machine here and install via internet
02:01.58abrotmanrobochan: which kernel?
02:01.58robochangot a client that's got a machine with on as th eonly cdrom in it
02:02.04FieldySnutsdamog: yeah, that it doesn't work because nvidia didn't update their drivers.
02:02.18robochaneithere 2.2x or 2.4.x, doesn't really matter
02:02.27abrotmanid guess 2.4 has it
02:02.32l^rchkrnS2K: It doesnt matter if the thing is running.
02:02.36GuerinS2K: Yes. Not even a reboot, just restarted X and there it was. Check the BTS though, YMMV.
02:02.37rbdjeff: do you know if nagios requires snmpd?
02:02.40robochanrebuilding a cyrix 133/16 meg ram for a neighbor/client
02:02.44l^rchkrnS2K: You can upgrade Apache while its running...
02:02.46*** part/#debian BobEsponja (PunkGeek@200.109.217.241)
02:02.55l^rchkrnAnd then restart it...
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02:03.06Guerinl^rchkrn: but woe betide you if the installation fails partway through ...
02:03.14robochanfigured a tight woody install would do it well
02:03.37abrotmanrobochan: look at linux.no
02:03.43l^rchkrnGuerin: Thats bad, but still no matter if KDE was running...
02:03.56enki`133 16mb ram ?
02:04.00enki`time to upgrade you think ?
02:04.00l^rchkrnOr Arache or whatever is upgraded...
02:05.02abrotmanrobochan: http://lxr.linux.no/source/
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02:05.03robochanenki`: heh, not my choice
02:05.03zeeblelinux.no has the sekzy munin package
02:05.03enki`hehe, people are stupid
02:05.03Guerinl^rchkrn: yeah, still better than stopping apache before the upgrade, then having it fail...
02:05.03helixbleh, replying to emails sucks..
02:05.03Guerinhelix: I just don't do it unless it's of dire importance
02:05.03l^rchkrnemail sucks at all.
02:05.06abrotman!helixplayer
02:05.06dpkgsomebody said helixplayer was https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/
02:05.08abrotman:)
02:05.20l^rchkrnabrotman: What is helixplayer?
02:05.24abrotmanBT BT BT
02:05.26l^rchkrnAnd WNBT?
02:05.30helixGuerin: well, i hate when people don't reply to my emails.. so i try to do the right thing
02:05.34l^rchkrnAnd BTBTBT?
02:05.36abrotman!tell l^ about helixplayer
02:05.36robochanabrotman: thanks :))
02:05.38rbddselect question: I have some queued up operations that I don't want to perform (removes a bunch of packages that had a dependency I flagged for removal)...how do I clear the dselect operation queue to not do anything (even when I quit and reenter dselect these operations are still pending)
02:05.40abrotman!WNBT
02:05.41dpkgwnbt is probably Will Not Be Trolled
02:05.49abrotmanl^rchkrn: its the new real player
02:05.54helixi think abrotman has a crush on me
02:05.59Guerinhelix: yeah, I hate it too. But so often I read an email and just have nothing to say
02:06.08abrotman!crush helix
02:06.11helixGuerin: ah, well.. i usually have a lot to say :)
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02:06.14abrotmanhehheh
02:06.16l^rchkrnabrotman: Oh. That sucks. Anything related to RealPlayer sucks.
02:06.19Guerinand it ain't worth sendong one back saying "..."
02:06.31helixGuerin: heh, yeah, it depends on the email of course..
02:06.31abrotmanl^rchkrn: supposedly ok .. never tried it
02:06.42robochanand yes, I know a 133/32 meg is ancient, but that's hwat they have to work with =/
02:06.46l^rchkrnBloatware, Adware
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02:06.55helixGuerin: in particular, i have two emails that people sent me about my website.. compliments, basically, i'd feel rude if i ignored them.
02:07.02FieldySnutsagreed
02:07.05InfohawkWhat is /etc/hdparm.conf used for? Is it used at boot?
02:07.12abrotmanInfohawk: man hdparm
02:07.20robochanhaha, will deiban even install with a 2x cdrom?
02:07.20jbrInfohawk: I repeat, /usr/share/doc/hdparm/README.Debian says /etc/init.d/hdparm reads /etc/hdparm.conf
02:07.45enki`robochan: in like 20 hours
02:07.45Infohawkabrotman, I don't see hdparm.conf anywhere in there.
02:07.50robochanheh
02:07.51Guerinhelix: yeah, that's fair enough, you do have to be polite I guess
02:07.57Infohawkjbr, thanks, i missed your first post
02:07.59abrotmanInfohawk: man hdparm
02:08.07abrotmanman hdparm.conf
02:08.16l^rchkrnenki`: No.
02:08.18abrotmanmentor: you have a day job right?
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02:08.24Infohawkabrotman, please. There is no man entry for that.
02:08.25phil-jI would like to set a one-time-use, disposable root password. This is for giving to a third party that I would like to allow to log in to my box as root once only.
02:08.32helix!tell joaquinz about root
02:08.33enki`l^rchkrn ?
02:08.47mentorabrotman: Not so much.
02:08.48zeeblephil-j no.
02:08.49l^rchkrnenki`: Debian install with 2x CDROM is about 4 hours.
02:08.52helixmentor is a young thang
02:08.52mentorhelix: I'm fairly sure that's done automagically.
02:08.54abrotmangod info sucks
02:08.55jeffphil-j: once they're in as root once, they can ensure that they will be able to get in again. :)
02:08.55xamphil-j: haha
02:08.56l^rchkrnThe base system...
02:09.04robochaneek!
02:09.12helixmentor: well. is there any way for me to know for sure?
02:09.13mentorhelix: You are too really...
02:09.13Guerinphil-j: set up a ssh key, and delete it once he's logged in
02:09.18zeeblephil-j create another user with only specific rights for what you want them to do. anyone with root once can do stuff
02:09.21helixmentor: not compared to you
02:09.23robochanmight be easier to bring the machine here and install anyway, thne do a custom kernel
02:09.32abrotmanInfohawk: theres a man page for hdparm
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02:09.53enki`l^rchkrn: exaggerating ?
02:09.56abrotmanpick a different theme
02:10.00S2Kand i've tried that
02:10.08zeeblespiffe is a nice theme
02:10.11mentorS2K: Ummm...Keramik is a theme not a tk?
02:10.12Infohawkabrotman, yes, and /hdparm.conf doesn't show any results. Plus you suggested man hdparm.conf without actually knowing if there was such a thing. Thanks for the help though.
02:10.21robochanenki`: probably not..that machine's a dog even withuot the cdrom
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02:10.34S2Kso what are the scrolly things?
02:10.37mentorhelix: Youthful and Beautiful or annoyong and naive?
02:10.41S2Ki think of them as widgets
02:10.44enki`depends on the install too
02:10.45Sparkphil-j: give them a user account, log in as them, start a screen session, give them a root prompt.  then supervise their remote use of the root prompt and terminate it when they have finished.
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02:10.47abrotmanInfohawk: do you want to use hdparm?
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02:10.51mentorhelix: Ask someone who came in as root?
02:10.51l^rchkrnenki`: What does this word mean?!
02:10.57helixmentor: i dunno. the words "nubile and supple" come to mind
02:10.58l^rchkrnRude?
02:11.04abrotmanInfohawk: supposedly not recommended unless you know what you're doing  .. can do lots of damage
02:11.07helixmentor: ah.. as if they can be counted on for accurate information!
02:11.11enki`l^rchkrn: dictionaries are you friend :)
02:11.14mentorhelix: heh.
02:11.29helixjoaquinz: stop irc'ing as root
02:11.32mentorhelix: I don't think either of those words could truthfully be applied to me...
02:11.35helixmentor: see? they even come back as root.
02:11.36abrotman!tell joaquinz about root
02:11.43phil-jIn other words, I would like to say to a customer, "I need to get into your box as root in order to fix your problem, please give me the temporary password." This would let me do support tasks remotely, yet never ask for the customer's real password. Could this be done?
02:11.52rcwdo most USB modems work with the CDC ACM driver or do I need to be picky?
02:12.54xamhelix: perhaps his root account doesn't have uid 0 ;)
02:12.54mentorjoaquinz: Your banned from talking as root. (as in channel ban officiated by the server)
02:12.54helixxam: well, i don't think it matters in this case
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02:12.54Guerinphil-j: ok, send your ssh key to them in an (encrypted of ssled) email, tlel them to echo it to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys, then log in as you would
02:12.54rcwphil-j: to be pedantic, once you have root on a system the only way to take it away for sure is to wipe and reload the drive
02:12.54helixgnu-faramir: much better :)
02:12.54gnu-faramir:)
02:12.54zeeblehaha gnu-faramir
02:12.58gnu-faramirsorry
02:13.13gnu-faramiri didnt saw that i was logged with root
02:13.15S2Khas anyone tried BEos?
02:13.18gnu-faramirme
02:13.23abrotmannot in years
02:13.28g4ltphil-j easily, edit /etc/init.d/su to allow only wheel to su to root, also remove the password requirement to su to root in the same place, then have them add you to wheel
02:13.29S2Kimpressions?
02:13.29gnu-faramirfanatic number 1 :D
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02:13.33gnu-faramirr0x
02:13.33FlyByteS2K my son has
02:13.35gnu-faramirtry beosmax
02:13.42mentorS2K: No...that's why it was a failure isn't it? ;)
02:13.45S2Ki was going to try xbeox
02:13.45abrotmanS2K: actuall .. pretty good
02:14.02S2Kthe beos livecd
02:14.06gnu-faramircan anybody help me with firewall-jay? i'll get crazy
02:14.09l^rchkrnS2K: BeOS died.
02:14.12gnu-faramirno
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02:14.15gnu-faramirzeta and openbeos
02:14.17S2Kof course it did, which is why i want to try it
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02:14.21l^rchkrnS2K: It was cool but propri.
02:14.21gnu-faramirare reborning it
02:14.32robochanthis BeOS... it... vibrates??
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02:14.34gnu-faramirwww.yellowtab.de www.obos.org
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02:14.37helixhaha
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02:14.47S2Khow about "blue eyed oss"
02:14.48S2K*os
02:14.51jcollinsanyone here configured pppoatm before?
02:14.52gnu-faramirsyx
02:14.55gnu-faramirsux
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02:15.05S2Kxbeox then?
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02:15.18gnu-faramir? just try beosmax
02:15.18gnu-faramiror phos
02:15.28gnu-faramiror download zeta by emule
02:15.28helixor just stick with debian.. :P
02:15.28mentorjcollins: Yes with a fairly high certainty
02:15.28l^rchkrnS2K: Thats poor
02:15.28gnu-faramir:D
02:15.32S2Khttp://www.bebits.com/app/3861
02:15.33mentor~tell jcollins about polls
02:15.38xzgvl^rchkrn: just installed the kernel-image for 2.6.5 but can't into X, doesn't recognize the mouse /dev/psaux what gives?
02:15.38l^rchkrnS2K: Read the forum about it.
02:15.45gnu-faramirexcuse me if i retype my question
02:15.47jcollinsmentor: mind if I pick your brain for a bit?
02:15.56gnu-faramircan anybody help me with firewall jay?
02:16.07S2Ki like debian but i want to try the "batmobile"
02:16.08xamI asked this in ##linux before, but I'd didn't have many useful suggestions. I'm going to get some new hd, and I'll store a mixture of 'large' files (4-9GB) and also small files (lots of source code). I'm using ext3 right now, but want to switch to either JFS or XFS. Any recommendations/experience with either of them? Which one to prefer for my needs?
02:16.09gnu-faramirit doesnt start because it says that my inet iface(eth0) is down
02:16.17gkalelmehello to all i have any problem to conect my kodak cx6230 in my pc any can help me?
02:16.18gnu-faramirbut is up
02:16.19l^rchkrnxzgv: Did you configure it as ImPS/2?
02:16.28mentorjcollins: Ing eneral you should just ask the channel. But I love PPPoATM so go ahead.
02:16.29abrotmanxfs!
02:16.30gnu-faramirand working (im using it in this moment)
02:16.41S2Khow about skyos?
02:16.46jcollinsJust got a new DSL line and the provider is using PPPoA near as I can tell that's PPPoATM
02:16.48gnu-faramiri've a cable connection , eth0 is a dhcp iface and eth1 a local network
02:16.51helixxam: i've never used xfs but i've heard good things about it
02:16.55xzgvl^rchkrn: yes
02:16.56gnu-faramirskyox <> beos
02:17.02xamxzgv: you want to use /dev/input/mice ...
02:17.02gnu-faramirskyos is another thing
02:17.05S2Ki know
02:17.13gnu-faramirand it is not finnished yet
02:17.15l^rchkrnxzgv: Did you install udev?
02:17.18phil-jgkalelme: Does it support USB Mass Storage?
02:17.19gnu-faramirso you have to wait
02:17.21l^rchkrnxzgv: Is it running?
02:17.27jcollinsthe gateway they provided will establish and manage the link for me but then it has the external IP not my box...
02:17.32mentorjcollins: Yeh, 'A' is an acronym/abbreviation for ATM which is itself...
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02:17.37zeeblegnu-faramir how many OSes do you try in a month? you write reviews for your local magazines?
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02:17.45gnu-faramirno
02:17.46jcollinsI'd rather have the external IP handled by my current firewall...
02:17.49wireheadAnyone know how those Cerc ide raid controllers that dell use work in deb?
02:17.50S2Kskyos is amazingly at version 5
02:17.52gnu-faramirbut i love os's
02:17.53gnu-faramir:D
02:17.57S2Ki love them more
02:18.01l^rchkrnxam: 8-?
02:18.05xamhelix: well, I've heard good things about both, but the main issue is I cant decide, since they both seem euqally good. XFS is more CPU hungry though according to benchmarks
02:18.06zeeblegnu-faramir you do
02:18.08abrotmanwirehead: Perc you mean? ... i have an older PERC .. works fine
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02:18.15gnu-faramiryeah they r0x
02:18.18FlyBytei would like to get my hp officejet v40 printer working in debian testing, anyone here know if its possible?
02:18.21xzgvl^rchkrn: yes on udev, i'm back on 2.4.19
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02:18.22zeeblegnu-faramir ? just to try them or do something more?
02:18.22jcollinsso, I've switched the dsl router/modem into bridged mode and am trying to get my laptop to establish a connection...
02:18.23helixxam: hm, i guess i haven't heard much about JFS..
02:18.23mentorjcollins: how is the router setup to forward packets?
02:18.33gnu-faramirmmm no try
02:18.34helixxam: not in terms of other peoples personal experiences, at least
02:18.38l^rchkrnxzgv: :-) Didnt like it?
02:18.44gnu-faramiri dont have time to programming or other things
02:18.51wireheadabrotman: funny :)
02:18.51mentorjcollins: I don't think it will work like that.
02:18.53gnu-faramironly try for fun :)
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02:18.57abrotmanwirehead: i wasn't being funny
02:19.00zeeblegnu-faramir oh. you play polo and soccer then?
02:19.00xamhelix: yeah .. but what I've heard was mostly very positive
02:19.03wireheadoh
02:19.04wirehead:P
02:19.09jcollinsmentor: k... I'm open to suggestions...
02:19.11abrotmanwirehead: what makes you think im being funny
02:19.13S2Kwhat is skyos anyway? it's not an *ix, right?
02:19.16xzgvl^rchkrn: i didn't get a chance to tryit
02:19.23mentorjcollins: Bridged mode means ethernet over ATM IIRC...which has to be specifically supported.
02:19.25gnu-faramirmmm no , school , guitar go out other things
02:19.25mentorjcollins: how is the router setup to forward packets?
02:19.27rdancergnu-faramir: hum. try to minimize the firewall config. like try to isolate the offending command. what exactly is the error message?
02:19.35GuerinFlyByte: check at http://linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi
02:19.37gkalelme<phil-j> i configure all modules an recompile the kernel but not working
02:19.37gnu-faramirrdancer
02:19.38wireheadabrotman: their specs.. says cerc
02:19.39gnu-faramirwait
02:19.51l^rchkrnxam: JFS is bloaty, XFS is instable, Ext3 is fine, Reiser3 in unstable, Reiser4 is vaporware.
02:19.51FlyByteThanks Guerin
02:19.52l^rchkrn+u
02:19.55jcollinsmentor: not following that question...
02:20.01gnu-faramirWarning : Eth0 is down and will be ignored
02:20.11dizzol^rchkrn: a bit pessimistic eh?
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02:20.18abrotmanwirehead: i only know about PERC .. Power Edge Raid Controller
02:20.21mentorjcollins: You only have one external IP?
02:20.22gnu-faramirand it says the same thing with the local iface eth1 when i set it as external
02:20.25dizzol^rchkrn: what fs do you like?
02:20.26l^rchkrnxzgv: Well, maybe the Debian kernel image is bad, 2.6.5 workd fien for me with my PS/2 mouse...
02:20.28xzgvl^rchkrn: so i have to put /dev/input/mouse? on the xf86 config?
02:20.39l^rchkrndizzo: QNX4FS!
02:20.43wireheadabrotman: ok :)
02:20.48helixdizzo: so.. about that presentation :)
02:20.48abrotmanwhts a CERC?
02:20.50helixabrotman: bah!
02:20.51jcollinsmentor: currently yes... provider is dynamic by default... want to get this working before switching to static...
02:20.53l^rchkrnOr Reiser4 if it ever gets stable.
02:20.57mentorhelix: Oops...a step too far Ithink.
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02:21.01xamI^rchkrn: yeah ... good summary ... NOT
02:21.01abrotman!cerc
02:21.05rdancergnu-faramir: hum, that isn't plain iptables on a 2.4.26, but some GUI wrapper, right?
02:21.06gkalelmeuhci-hcd, sd_mod, usb-storage, vfat
02:21.07abrotman!perc
02:21.08dpkgperc is, like, a piece of shit
02:21.11mentorjcollins: Then some sort of NAT has to be performed?
02:21.14abrotmanwell .. they work ok
02:21.15Guerinmentor: ./nick richard_hatch
02:21.19wireheadabrotman: the ide raid controller they stuff in the new power edges
02:21.29gnu-faramirmmm yes
02:21.29l^rchkrnxzgv: Dunno. Works for me with /dev/pasux...
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02:21.37gnu-faramirfirewall jay have a kind of gui
02:21.42jcollinsmentor: once I have the link working, yes... I'll move the configuration to my current firewall and move the line there...
02:21.45l^rchkrn!cerc
02:21.50abrotmanwirehead: oh .. dunno about those .. but i suspect they use a chipset .. find out the chipset .. you'll find out if it has linux support
02:22.02gnu-faramira text-mode gui
02:22.04xamI^rchkrn: ext3 is fine? ext3 sucks performance/scalaribility wise ...
02:22.08gnu-faramirbut im using
02:22.10gnu-faramirbf2.4
02:22.16l^rchkrnxam: ?
02:22.17jcollinsright now I'm trying to simplify the configuration and get it working with just the laptop connected and controlling the link
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02:22.18wireheadabrotman: ok.. thanks :)
02:22.22helixwhat about eigenability
02:22.23gnu-faramiras my kernel... :( now im thinking that i've to change it
02:22.25l^rchkrnxam: Do you know anything better?
02:22.32abrotmanhttp://ftp1.us.dell.com/scsi-raid/perc-cerc-rh73-118f-a08.txt
02:22.34rdancer!tell gnu-faramir about real kernel
02:22.37gnu-faramircan the kernel be the problem?
02:22.44abrotmanwirehead: ^^
02:22.48xzgvl^rchkrn: ok thanks anyway, maybe i'll try 2.4.26, have you ever thought of getting a nick like 'bob3'?
02:22.49mentorDoes the Panel in GNOME 2.4 have problems with correctly sizing items when opening from an autohidden position?
02:22.54xamI^rchkrn: well, XFS ans JFS are much better in this respect (and even ext2)
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02:23.01l^rchkrnxzgv: Why?
02:23.08wireheadabrotman:  Cost Effective RAID Controller (CERC)
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02:23.09l^rchkrnI am Peter not Bob!
02:23.11gnu-faramirthankyou rdancer
02:23.17abrotmanwirehead: that just sounds bad :)
02:23.17jcollinsthe laptop is connected the dsl router/modem via ethernet
02:23.18gnu-faramirreally thank you!
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02:23.22mentorjcollins: Sorry, I am trying to understand how you are set up, and what you are trying to do...
02:23.27rdancergnu-faramir: iptables are just fine: iptables -A INPUT -j REJECT; iptables -vL
02:23.30rdancergnu-faramir:     0     0 REJECT     all  --  foo0   any     anywhere             anywhere           reject-with icmp-port-unreachable
02:23.38l^rchkrnxam: XFS and JFS are slower than Ext3. Do the benchmarks yourself!
02:23.38mentorjcollins: What do you have as the current router...and how do you plan on moving hte ADSL line?
02:23.47xzgvl^rchkrn: nothing, i'm just rambling...
02:23.54l^rchkrn:-)
02:23.55gnu-faramirok! ill write this rule for try it later... but first i've tu upgrade my kernel :D
02:24.01wireheadabrotman: i know.. but i suspect its much easyer geting that on the budget than a PERC.. :P
02:24.08wireheadsounds twice as cheap
02:24.09wirehead:)
02:24.11gnu-faramirkernel 2.6 works fine in a amd k6-2 166 mhz?
02:24.14abrotmanwirehead: PERC is for SCSI
02:24.16abrotmanso .. yes
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02:24.25tom1234hi. I tried to play some DVDs on my computer and it froze up. I rebooted to a big mess, and i need to resintall libc6, unfortunately dpkg gives me "dpkg not recorded as installed , cannot check for epoch support!" any ideas?
02:24.27gnu-faramira old pc , only for sharing internet and web server
02:24.31Guerinl^rchkrn: re your cerc raid issue: looked at this:http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ ?
02:24.31cafuegognu-faramir: no reason it wouldn't.
02:24.31jcollinsmentor: line is provided by qwest... it comes into an Actiontec DSL router/modem...
02:24.36dogayonvWho here has the ability to give apt the ability to tell people things? Sorry my wording might be off, what I mean is, who here can give apt some new info it might not have?
02:24.44rdancergnu-faramir: but the kernel probably isn't the prob. go get to the low level (iptables commandline), and try it there, then try using strace against the gui. Eth0 should read eth0, btw, probably..
02:24.48l^rchkrnGuerin: ?
02:25.04gnu-faramirejej it says eth0 no Eth0
02:25.05FarrisGI'm trying to browse smb shares in Nautilus, but I keep getting password dialogs even though my shares all have anonymous read access
02:25.20jcollinsmentor: I can have the Actiontec control the link and perform the PPPoA, but then it has the external IP, which isn't what I'm after...
02:25.21rdancergnu-faramir: heard about cut'n'paste lately?..
02:25.23abrotmanFarrisG: i think gnome2.4 nautilus has some issues
02:25.33gnu-faramirmmm no in commandline :D
02:25.38Guerinl^rchkrn: you were looking for info on wither dell's cerc raid controllers would work in debian?
02:25.38gnu-faramirgpm?
02:25.46rdancergnu-faramir: gdm
02:25.49l^rchkrnGuerin: Not me.
02:25.49rdancershit
02:25.58rdancergnu-faramir: gpm, of course
02:25.58gnu-faramirnot x in this pc :D only command line :D
02:26.01xamI^rchkrn: what are you smoking? http://209.81.41.149/~jpiszcz/index.html ... and that's only for a uniprocessor system. I'm talking about SMP scalaribility .. and ext3 is even much worse there ...
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02:26.06l^rchkrnGuerin: wirehead
02:26.15rdancergnu-faramir: haven't a mouse?
02:26.16Guerinmentor: re gnome panel, I noticed that it had to resize every time it popped up, that pissed me off enough to not use gnome
02:26.21mentorjcollins: Do you need link state? You could set up the router just to do single address NAT onto your firewall machine.
02:26.24Guerinl^rchkrn: sorry, my bad :)
02:26.26gnu-faramirahh ok but i didnt install a lot of soft
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02:26.34l^rchkrnGuerin: NP
02:26.39FarrisGSo is there any decent way in gnome 2.4 to browse shares? Gnomba is ok, but not very clean
02:26.43l^rchkrn!NP-hard
02:26.43gnu-faramiri just finished the installation half an hour ago
02:26.43gnu-faramir:D
02:26.43abrotmanGuerin: it was wirehead
02:26.50rdancergnu-faramir: 8)
02:27.03Guerinwirehead: re your cerc raid issue: looked at this:http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ ?
02:27.06l^rchkrnFarrisG: Mozilla 1.7
02:27.07mentorGuerin: There seems to be rounding errors in the sizing code that cause the applets to flicker a few pixels on the panel showing...
02:27.13gnu-faramiri wanted to replace my vector installation ,it had a lot of problems
02:27.18jcollinsmentor: but that would result in an extra private network that is not technically needed (between the Actiontec and my firewall), correct?
02:27.29XenguyFarrisG: I seem to recall linneighborhood working alright
02:27.33wireheadGuerin: no.. but i will now :)
02:27.47l^rchkrnMozilla 1.7 will have sbm://
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02:27.48Guerinmentor: yeah, that's it. Pissed me off no end.
02:27.54l^rchkrnBah
02:28.04l^rchkrnsmb://
02:28.06jcollinsthat's what I'm trying to avoid...
02:28.06mentorGuerin: Bug reporting time :)
02:28.14Xenguyl^rchkrn: 1.7? wooo, interesting
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02:28.25Q3Manok... for the stained glass salt and pepper shakers and a chance to spin the 'wheel of prizes' answer the following question: How do you properly configure courier-imap to allow the remote creation of imap folders by clients. You have 60 seconds. GO!
02:28.27Guerinmentor: reporting bugs on gnome 2.4? Is it still an issue on 2.6?
02:28.29l^rchkrnXenguy: Its beta2 now afaik...
02:28.30xamjcollins: well, for a CLI tool I use smbtree
02:28.37mentorjcollins: So you want to be able to run PPPd on your firewall machine?
02:28.46abrotmanQ3Man: #courier .. do i get the salt shakers?
02:28.46mentorGuerin: Don't know.
02:28.47GuerinQ3Man: #courier
02:28.55Guerindamn
02:29.02Guerinno salt shakers for me :(
02:29.08jcollinsmentor: so that it has the external IP, correct...
02:29.23Q3ManI'm sorry, that is incorrect.. we are looking for a complete answer. Now, on to your competitor, #courier
02:29.44jcollinsor I should say "public" IP
02:30.05wireheadGuerin: didnt say much about cerc :)
02:30.11abrotmanGuerin: we suck
02:30.15mentorjcollins: Well, then you need some way of using the router to forward raw ATM cells to your firewall, or you need to turn it into a PPPoE modem...
02:30.17xamjcollins: you mean that IP that is "broadcasted to the internet" ;-P
02:30.24mentorjcollins: I think that is distinct from bridged mode.
02:30.40Guerinwirehead: I found it by googling cerc raid debian - you can too!
02:30.58abrotmanGuerin: you speak in tongues
02:31.15Guerinabrotman: freakish isn't it, how much we suck?
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02:31.27Guerinabrotman: I mean, debian people know everything, why don't we?
02:31.27abrotman!suck
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02:31.28dpkgit has been said that suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server
02:31.29pirlouithello
02:31.34jcollinsmentor: on my PPPoE circuit (seperate line), I switch their router to bridged mode and accomplished the same type of thing...
02:31.36abrotmanGuerin: cause we dont care?
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02:32.06Guerinabrotman: irony: my default courier-imap install allows clients to create remote imap folders, so I'm not sure what the problem is with his ...
02:32.09pirlouithow hard is it to have gcc 2.95 and gcc > 3.x.x co-exist on debian 3.0 ?
02:32.18abrotmanGuerin: wanna bet it wasn't a debian package?
02:32.29xammentor: another way would be using 'half-bridge' mode if you dsl-router supports that ... no need for PPPoE then
02:32.34wireheadGuerin: i have done some googleing on it.. tho i like hearing from somone that tested it..
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02:32.42Guerinabrotman: $10 and a beer says it was a source compile
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02:32.53abrotmanGuerin: wait .. that was  my bet ...
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02:32.59Guerin(an unecessary source compile)
02:33.04abrotmanGuerin: ill up it to a case of yuengling .. and 5$
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02:33.18Seb_hi fellows
02:33.28Guerinabrotman: hrm. We're both betting the same thing.
02:33.40Guerinabrotman: we should join #courier to check
02:33.40abrotmanGuerin: you get 24 beers from mine
02:33.54stevnblinuxCan anyone help with printer configuration on a new Libranet install?
02:34.01Guerinabrotman: sounds like a bargain to me :)
02:34.07Seb_what's the apt factoid about the nvidia package ?
02:34.13abrotmanGuerin: its a decent beer
02:34.20abrotman!nvidia debs
02:34.20dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, nvidia debs is Justin_ has built a set of nvidia debs for woody, sarge, and sid.  See http://www.bouncybouncy.net:8000/nvidia_debs/APT_SOURCES or try http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/nvidia/APT or deb http://kambing.vlsm.org/DLL/debian-local stable lokal
02:34.27Guerinabrotman: not american then?
02:34.31mentorjcollins: Ah well, with a PPPoE circuit.... You get: telco PPPd -> Ehternet -> bridge -> ATM -> ADSL -> ATM (customer modem)-> bridge -> ethernet -> customer PPPd
02:34.38Seb_ah, forgot debs :) Thx abrotman...
02:34.44abrotmanGuerin: its american .. US' oldest brewery
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02:34.49xammentor: that's mental
02:34.58Guerinabrotman: ah, theat rare creature, decent american beer
02:35.03rdancerpirlouit: they coexist peacefully, afaik. just go install the packages, and read /usr/share/doc/gcc-{2.95,3.0}/README.Debian.gz
02:35.05Guerins/theat/that/
02:35.08Seb_Guerin: tu m'etonnes :>
02:35.08mentorjcollins: With PPPoA there is no ether net involved on the telco side, so you can't bridge it...
02:35.15mentorxam: Yes. quite a lot mental.
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02:35.23abrotmanGuerin: its ok .. not great .. but ok .. cheap around here ..
02:35.34abrotmanGuerin: yuengling.com
02:36.07Guerinabrotman: I've only tasted 5: mgd, bud, bud lite, coors and samuel adams
02:36.09gnu-faramirdoes somebody know about getting work supermount in debian?
02:36.20abrotmanGuerin: id only touch sam adams out of that list
02:36.21Guerinabrotman: sam was pretty decent, the rest are as bad as korean beer
02:36.27mentorxam: Can you tell me about half-bridge?
02:36.35gnu-faramiris there a kernel module avaiable in inet? or do i have to compile my own kernel and patch the source?
02:36.39Guerinabrotman: :)
02:36.53abrotmanGuerin: if you make it to PA .. try yuengling .. its ok . not great .. but ok
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02:37.29xammentor: mine is like this: PPPd -> Ethernet -> bridge -> ATM -> ADSL -> ATM (customer router) -> halfbridge -> ethernet
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02:37.49Guerinabrotman: heheh, not often I hear people recommend their local brew with "it's not great, but..."
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02:38.15abrotmanGuerin: i drink it a lot .. its like water  for me ..
02:38.16jcollinsmentor: so, I could bridge it if I had ATM on this side?
02:38.19abrotmanGuerin: but ive had better
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02:38.58jcollinsmaybe I'm just overcomplicating this problem...
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02:39.15xammentor: half-bridge basically means the router does the PPPoE stuff, and acts as a DHCP server for you local LAN ... you just run a dhcp client on your PC and you'll be assigned the external IP address ... then all internet traffic will be routed/bridge through the DSL router
02:39.18Guerinabrotman: I was spoiled by 3 years as a barman/sommellier and a year in fine wine retail
02:39.19jcollinsbut I don't see how their solution will work for me without putting my firewall in controll of the link
02:39.36abrotmanGuerin: that would do it
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02:40.03jcollinsxam: how would I set that up?
02:40.08abrotmanGuerin: i need some wine education :)
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02:40.10itripHi
02:40.17gnu-faramirexcuse me i'll reask my question , does anybody know about getting work supermount in debian and if is a kernel-module in inet or do i have to recompile the kernel patching the source
02:40.24Guerinabrotman: and now I'm in korea, where bud is a premium beer and decent wine is unheard-of
02:40.33abrotmanGuerin: rice wine?
02:40.39gnu-faramir:D
02:40.40Guerinabrotman: it's expensive, unless you can get it on the company dollar
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02:40.47xammentor: half-bridge works with PPPoA aswell of course ... from the PC it just looks like you are directly connected to the WAN and getting a (new) IP address assigned via DHCP (from time to time)
02:40.52itripI am trying to install the MS true type fonts which is part of "unstable" but my current sources.list doesn't allow unstable... how can I just install that package without changing sources.list (or can I)?
02:40.58abrotmanGuerin: im sorry . i can go to the liquor store and get it ...
02:41.02abrotmanat least something decent
02:41.05Guerinabrotman: they have traditional beverages, but not really wine in the european sense
02:41.10gnu-faramirpackages.debian.org
02:41.15gnu-faramirand search the package
02:41.16xamjcollins: well, the main problem is that your DSL router has to support that mode
02:41.17gnu-faramirdownload it
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02:41.22Guerinabrotman: nono, booze is dead cheap here - wine education is expensive
02:41.23gnu-faramirand dpkg --install it
02:41.24itriphmm...
02:41.31gnu-faramirhmpf :D
02:41.33itripgnu-faramir: alright, will try that... thanks!
02:41.33abrotmanGuerin: and you'll be there  .. forever?
02:41.35Guerinabrotman: it requires that you buy and drink massive amounts of wine
02:41.35itripbbiab
02:41.43jcollinsActiontec GT701-WG
02:41.45gnu-faramirnp
02:41.54Guerinabrotman: another 8 months, maybe a year after that if the money is right
02:41.57abrotmanGuerin: ask the local guy to get yuengling :)
02:42.17leOnGuerin: where you at ?
02:42.31Guerinabrotman: I might head up to Camp Humphreys - they can get decent booze there, I'm told
02:42.39GuerinleOn: Daesan, South Korea
02:42.51jcollinslists an RFC 1483 bridged and routed mode in addition to PPPoE and PPPoA
02:42.53leOnGuerin: rice wine .. ?
02:42.55leOn=D
02:43.03S2Ksake?
02:43.05GuerinleOn: mostly koreans drink soju
02:43.11gnu-faramirrice wine? does it exist?
02:43.11sliipyhow do i fix so apache redirects users to apache-ssl ?
02:43.16gnu-faramirpuaj :S
02:43.18GuerinleOn: similar to sake, but stronger, and I think it's distilled
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02:43.27leOngnu-faramir: sake is rice wine
02:43.31Guerintechnically sake is a beer as it's distilled from grain
02:43.36sliipyie if a user goes to http://blah.com/mjew they should be redirected to https://blah.com/mjew
02:43.44abrotmanGuerin: are you in the military?
02:43.53leOnat least they call it that way
02:43.56xamjcollins: I'm using an 'Origo ASR-8100' ... AFAIK they are also reselling their stuff to Linksys and other companies
02:44.06Guerinabrotman: nah, I'm a teacher ... I'm not even from the US
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02:44.18gnu-faramirehehe here in argentina we've never listened about rice wine
02:44.29leOnGuerin: how far is Macau ?
02:44.30abrotmanGuerin: a teacher .. teaching? about wine?
02:44.36S2Kwhat is the local drink in argentina?
02:44.38Gueringnu-faramir: you wouldn't need to, what with your old-vine malbec
02:44.48Guerinabrotman: I wish. Teaching english :)
02:44.50S2Kmy chem teacher teaches about wine
02:44.58abrotmanGuerin: oh .. what fun
02:45.05GuerinleOn: I don't know, is this a trick question?
02:45.06gnu-faramirlocal drink ? well we've wines in mendonza and san juan
02:45.16gnu-faramirwe drink beer but mate is the local drink i think
02:45.31xammhh ... arak ... the local drink in indonesia
02:46.08xamyou can tell whether is good arak if you can burn it
02:46.10leOnGuerin: nope. Macau was a Portuguese colony until 2000 when it became Chinese. It's possible that you can get there some European wine cheaper than in other Asian countries ...
02:46.12Guerinabrotman: yeah, great fun. Still, the money ain't bad, and it's an experience, right
02:46.12gnu-faramiris infussion like (but not so much) like tea
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02:46.34GuerinleOn: ah, interesting. I'll put it on my list ...
02:46.39mentorDoes PPPoE have to use bridged Ethernet over ATM from the telco side or can PPPoATM be converted to PPPoE at the modem/router stage?
02:46.39itripgnu-faramir: awesome it worked, thanks gnu-faramir!
02:46.40abrotmanGuerin: uhm .. i guess .. not the kind i would want .. but oh well
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02:46.46gnu-faramirno one of latin america here?
02:46.54S2Kim not
02:47.15gnu-faramiritrip no problem! enjoy it :D
02:47.33leOnGuerin: of course, the same applies to Hong-Kong, but Great Britain was never a wine country... i think.
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02:47.37abrotmanheh
02:47.57gnu-faramirit was a whisky and beer country :D
02:48.06GuerinleOn: hong kong is expensive for everything though
02:48.07S2Kits 2300, who would be coming out of kindergarten at this time
02:48.08xammentor: well, I suppose you cannot convert PPPoA to PPPoE so easily ...
02:48.08gnu-faramirand brandy :D
02:48.27leOnland of Guinness and Bushmills
02:48.28leOn=)
02:48.47GuerinleOn: or kilkenny and jameson's, depending on yer taste :)
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02:49.04leOnyes ... Jamesons defenatly!
02:49.05leOn=)
02:49.11xammentor: for half-bridge it doesn't matter, since the DSL router just decodes PPPoE/PPPoA and passes the traffic to the LAN directly
02:49.41leOnoff to bed
02:49.44leOnbye all
02:49.48S2Kbye
02:49.52robochancaio
02:49.57gnu-faramirim going to study math bye all!
02:50.02S2Kmath
02:50.05gnu-faramirsux
02:50.09gnu-faramir:'(
02:50.15gnu-faramirgoodbye
02:50.18S2Kwhy study when you can not study?
02:50.28gnu-faramir:S thats the point
02:50.35gnu-faramiri need to
02:50.35gnu-faramir:S
02:50.37jcollinsit lists an "unnumbered mode"
02:50.52gnu-faramirwell goodbye
02:51.18jcollinsand even a "transparent bridging"
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02:52.29xamjcollins: transparant bridging? hmmm ... could be ...
02:52.56S2Klinux - when you have it your way, it just tastes better
02:53.15robochansleep..zzz....
02:53.38smacnaycan jackd pipe audio from one device/channel to another?
02:53.48mentorTransparent bridging is RFS1483
02:53.57mentorwhich is just ethernet bridging.
02:54.24jcollinsxam:  the other was an encapsulation mode...
02:54.26xammentor: yeah, I just looked it up ... it's indeed normal bridging it seems
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02:55.15xsdgmentor: X.org packages are probably an FAQ... where should I look?
02:55.24brainstormanyone know of a utility that will manage clones and multicast ntfs ?
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02:55.36peterSI wonder if I should get the Epson Perfection 1670 for $149.99 or the Epson Perfection 1670 for $99.99
02:55.36xammentor: RFC1638
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02:56.14mentor~listvals x.org
02:56.51mentorxsdg: I'm not sure we have an FAQ for that actually.
02:57.13xsdghrm... mentor you think that's something the X Strike Force is gonna attack in a few months?
02:58.30peterSapt: you have too much crap in there
02:58.33aptwish i knew, peterS
02:58.33dan2~alan cox
02:58.36aptextra, extra, read all about it, alan cox is just about 3/4 deity or is found in http://www.uk.linux.org/diary/, or someone who works on FreeBSD with the same name, but really isn't the Alan Cox you know of Linux fame., or http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/1999/40/ns-10500.html  Interview by LWN: http://lwn.net/1999/features/ACInterview/, or a guy who drinks alot of beer.
02:58.44peterSxsdg: last I heard, the XSF isn't quite sure *what* to package.  my money is on x.org, but danielS will probably do his thing too
02:59.07dan2peterS: daniels is packaging xorg
02:59.08mentorxsdg: Well, DanielS is doing his thing, and XSF is workign on 4.3 for sarge AFAIK...
02:59.08peterSxsdg: I see nothing wrong with multiple competing X server implementations in Debian
02:59.12g4ltpeterS s/probably//
02:59.17dan2peterS: knowing branden, he will probably make his own fork
02:59.21S2Kwhat's the real difference between xorg and xf86
02:59.26mentorxsdg: I wouldn't be expecting anything more than that before sarge.
02:59.35peterSdan2: I'll bet against you on that one
02:59.54dan2peterS: I *know* DanielS is going to be maintaining xorg alone
02:59.58peterSdan2: and I think I know branden as well as you do, which is in both cases, not really at all (:
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03:00.17ruffanyone had any luck with the iogear miniview III KVM switch
03:00.31peterSdan2: I'll have to relay this news to gravity, who last I talked to him was gonna help with it
03:00.31g4ltdan2 I'm betting tha overfiend bails on X completely and adopts something nice and simple, like the kernel ;P
03:00.45dan2peterS: DanielS is the release manager of freedesktop.org anyway
03:00.48dan2peterS: iirc
03:00.53mentorxsdg: It might be worth reading DanielS' blog.
03:01.10dan2peterS: when I meant alone, I meant minus xsf minus branden
03:01.12xsdgmentor: hrm... URI?
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03:01.24g4ltmentor why the blog, he said so much right here a month or so ago....
03:01.26xamS2K: well, xfree86 introduced some GPL-incompatible license changes with 4.4 (for some parts of the X package), so many linux distributions don't want to ship it any longer
03:01.31mentorxsdg: planet.debian.net to start.
03:01.31dan2peterS: anybody who helps him will probably be brought in as a direct developer on xorg
03:01.33guestish|afkwill sysctl -w net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_all=1 cause a system to ignore all ping requests?
03:01.35peterSdan2: XSF isn't anything formal.  just people.  I have no doubt there will be people working on xorg other than danielS
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03:01.41mentorg4lt: Do you have a log of that?
03:01.44mentor;)
03:01.54dan2guestish|afk: sure
03:01.55g4ltmentor no, I don't log.  sorry
03:01.58xamS2K: and x.org is a fork of xfree86-CVS just before they changed the license
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03:02.11S2Kthat's all?
03:02.30mentorjcollins: I think your best bet is to NAT to your single firewall IP...I can't see any technology that will allow you to run a PPPd on your firewall.
03:02.31g4ltmentor but he said it to ME, which made me almost want to ask him for ID ;P
03:02.32peterSS2K: at the moment, that's what x.org's X11R6.7 release is
03:02.42S2Koh
03:02.47xamS2K: quite some former xfree86 developers have moved now to the x.org development team, and xfree86 is considered to be 'dead' soon by some people
03:02.50guestish|afkdan2: k
03:02.54peterSS2K: presumably it will diverge Real Soon Now, but they wanted to get a release out the door that people would know they could trust as being similar to what they already had.  as a migration path
03:02.59jcollinsmentor: that means an additional private network and routing mess...
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03:03.04guestishdan2: do you know how to get a router to ignore ping requests?
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03:03.09punk-ianyone knows how can i make wget download files referenced in CSS files, or some other program that can spider these files?
03:03.22mentorjcollins: Well, yup...which is why I don't like embedded ADSL routers.
03:03.24S2Kthat's pretty messy.
03:03.24dan2guestish: let me think, I bet i have an iptables rule
03:03.40guestishdan2: k, thx
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03:03.56guestishdan2: or will the sysctl work for the router too?
03:04.02mentorS2K: And don't forget hte freedesktop.org xserver which is keithp's next gen X11 server with fancy stuff.
03:04.06xamS2K: basically there is no much difference between x.org and xfree86 (in terms of code and features), but that will change in the future i suppose
03:04.09dan2guestish: sysctl stuff should work fine tho
03:04.13guestishdan2: k, ill just do that
03:04.26S2Koww... head hurt
03:04.32dan2mentor: fancy as in autoconf build system, its a godsend!
03:04.37S2Kisn't there some y-server?
03:04.44sliipyapache-ssl + virtualhosts isn't a good idea, right?
03:04.46mentordan2: heh
03:04.53mentor~stab imake
03:05.01aptACTION runs at imake with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.
03:05.01dan2mentor: I hate imake
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03:05.08dan2hah
03:05.17guestishhrm, now to figure out how to get this SMC router to ignore pings too, heh
03:05.19mentormuadib: you missed a 'd'
03:05.20dan2!lart imake
03:05.35guestishthats a painful one
03:05.38maudibso I did...
03:05.44xamS2K: well, so most distributions now move to x.org entirely, or use xfree86 and just replace the parts with the GPL-incompatible license with the equivalent part of x.org ...
03:05.48mentormaudib: you missed a 'd' and exchanged a 'ua'
03:05.58maudibmentor: meh
03:06.13dan2xam: all of Xfree86 was relicensed bub
03:06.14maudibi'll fix it next time
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03:06.21dan2xam: they either move or they don't
03:06.29xamdan2: ?
03:06.43guestishi havent seen any x.org packages in unstable
03:06.48dan2guestish: after sarge is released
03:06.52xamdan2: since when? did i miss something? it was only a couple of libraries AFAIK
03:07.08guestishdan2: so a yea? dang
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03:07.11dan2xam: it was enough to give a red flag to everyone
03:07.11guestishyear*
03:07.13jcollinsmuaddib: sadly many providers don't give a choice
03:07.17dan2guestish: nah, a few months
03:07.20guestishdan2: thats too bad that they are holding everything up for sarge
03:07.21S2Kis it that important that people move to xorg just because xf86 has unhappy license?
03:07.32muaddibmuaddib: I insist on wires only... :)
03:07.32dan2guestish: we don't want garbage in sarge
03:07.35thomas_adam:)
03:07.38guestishdan2: last i checked the eta was 2005 for sarge
03:07.42guestishdan2: its been changed?
03:07.47dan2yeah
03:07.52guestishyay
03:07.52xsdg~+sarge pool
03:07.55aptPlace your bets on when sarge will become stable! ghakko=2004-04-20 compwizrd=2003-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 sgeigerbot=1999-12-31 peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-04-08 DelEat=2004-04-02  nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 zignig=2003-12-23 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin_=WIR simonrvn=2004-03-15 rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22  Starfox=2003-01-15 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or g4lt=when hell freezes over
03:08.14dan2!sarge losers
03:08.15dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, sarge losers is We already have losers in the sarge pool! DelEat=2004-04-02 RichiH=2004-03-21 RinzeWind=2004-03-26 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 Anthro=2004-03-21 sim0nrvn=2004-03-15 helix=2004-03-27 sharth=2004-03-03 h=2004-03-01 Sinistrad=2004-02-29  zergouille_=2004-02-29 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 bytewalker=2004-03-02  croddy=2004-02-14 Chromakode=2004-02-25 zu22=2004-02-14 CompWizrd=103-12-25 gnupg=2004-01-01
03:08.17guestish!+sarge pool 4
03:08.18dpkgKeep 'em coming! andika=2005-01-31 Cit=2004-05-20 g0llum=2004-07-26 dan2=2004-06-24 bztunk=2004-09-11 obake=2004-04-31 guestish=2004-05-30 <galois>=2004-07-09
03:08.24guestishhey, i havent lost yet!
03:08.26Chromakodeaww, I lost :(
03:08.27mentorah sleep time.
03:08.32Chromakodeheh, wishful thinking
03:08.41guestishyeah well :)
03:08.46maudibI have two soundcards, an ensonique and a turtle beach (aureal).  The TB has HW mixing, but my oggs sound horrible (CDs sound perfect though).  The ensonique sounds fine (but I hate SW mixing) so I know the ogg files are encoded properly.  Since the CDs play fine I'm wondering if there is anyway to get the TB card to play the oggs (and everything else) at a higher quality. any idea?  I'm using alsa by the way.
03:08.47xsdgsomeone's not keeping the lists up-to-date; bah
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03:09.22guestishits dondelelcaro's bot
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03:10.40guestishso quiet...
03:10.43dan2justin: you lost to cafuego
03:10.45dan2cafuego=2004-13-13
03:10.50Chromakodelol
03:11.03dan2how do you beat an undefined month
03:11.16dan2its like multiplying by 0 to get rid of a denominator of 0
03:11.17dan2:)
03:11.22Chromakodehaha
03:11.26guestisheasy, if its in 2005 he loses
03:11.31punk-iis there a command to display the number of files in a directory?
03:11.43guestishdu -hsc
03:11.50marcstapply l'hospital's rule?
03:11.53guestishi think
03:12.00Justinpunk-i: there is a command to list, and a command to count
03:12.19guestishnvm
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03:12.52bethooh I haven't lost yet
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03:13.19peterSmarcst: heh
03:13.20bethI'll lose next month.
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03:13.46NeKro|codingjust wondering, what is the KDE version that comes with Debian stable 3.0 r2  ?
03:13.49simonrvni lost months ago
03:13.57peterSNeKro|coding: I think 2.2
03:14.06Justin!+p.d.o
03:14.07dondelelcaroxsdg: eh, they get out of date... not particularly worth spending time on... [hell, it's your bet, you move it when you've lost...]
03:14.07dpkgi guess p.d.o is down. if we knew when it would be back, we would say so.
03:14.15Justindpkg: forget p.d.o
03:14.16dpkgi forgot p.d.o, Justin
03:14.28NeKro|codingthanks peterS
03:14.28Chromakodep.d.o?
03:14.31Justindpkg: p.d.o is see search
03:14.31dpkgokay, Justin
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03:14.53peterSChromakode: packages.debian.org
03:14.57Chromakodeaha
03:14.59dondelelcaro!no, p.d.o is <reply> see search
03:15.00peterSChromakode: or people.debian.org, depending on context (:
03:15.15simonrvn!pdo
03:15.15dpkgrumour has it, pdo is http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents.  Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?
03:15.23Chromakode!p.d.o
03:15.24dpkgit has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo.  To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>
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03:15.35Justinoh, der:)
03:15.41JimButtonp.d.o could also stand for people.debian.org...
03:15.53Chromakodeoh no, what have i done ;P
03:16.10marcsthehehe
03:16.11helixJimButton: or peanutbutter.d.o
03:16.25peterSwouldn't that be pbdo?
03:16.25JimButtonhelix: heh, i would veto that name...
03:16.30helixhaha
03:16.46FarrisGWhat's the command that cats out information about your processor and whatnot?
03:16.48helixpeterS: well, i'm taking some artistic license to troll JimButton
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03:17.01peterShelix: he doesn't care for peanut butter or something?
03:17.02guestishFarrisG: cat /proc/processor
03:17.03ChromakodeFarrisG: cat /proc/cpu ?
03:17.08Chromakoderight
03:17.09guestishFarrisG: i mean /proc/cpu
03:17.11helixpeterS: he thinks it's an abomination
03:17.17helixpeterS: unfortunately, it is illegal for me to maim him
03:17.23guestishFarrisG: nvm, im wrong, its /proc/cpuinfo ;)
03:17.24peterShelix: he must be reeducated
03:17.25simonrvn/proc/cpuinfo
03:17.25JimButtonhelix: artistic freedom, you mean :)
03:17.26xamFarrisG: more /proc/cpuinfo
03:17.27JimButtonpeterS: i hate that stuff :)
03:17.29guestishcant hurt to look, lol
03:17.36Chromakodehehe, we were both wrong
03:17.42helixpeterS: but how?
03:17.49JustinFarrisG: http://www.google.com/search?q=cat+get+cpu+information+linux
03:17.50helixpeterS: i think someone that hates peanut butter is too far gone
03:17.53guestishi have a coppermine cpu
03:17.59peterShelix: how indeed.  this could be something of a challenge
03:17.59FarrisGthanks
03:18.00Chromakodesame
03:18.07JimButtonhelix: i will go to germany and lobby for an invasion of florida...
03:18.11Chromakodeguestish: pIII 700? :)
03:18.25helixJimButton: i don't fear you and your german counterparts
03:18.31guestishChromakode: 866
03:18.32helixas long as you speak english..
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03:18.34JimButtonxam: hey, brother!
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03:18.42JimButtonxam: are you american?
03:18.46marcsti have no doubt peanut butter is delicious and nutricious, unfortunately it's also fatal for me
03:18.51peterSxam: you too must be ... reprogrammed
03:18.52helixmarcst: :(
03:19.00xamJimBotton: ireland here
03:19.01Chromakodemarcst: ouch :(
03:19.05JimButtonxam: cool
03:19.09marcsti understand it's a cheap source of protein
03:19.16bethand tasty, too
03:19.17helixand FAT
03:19.19JimButtonxam: americans have twisted notions of food sometimes...
03:19.20marcstlol
03:19.21bethand tasty.
03:19.22helixgood yummy FAT
03:19.25peterSvery
03:19.35Chromakodepb&j :D
03:19.46helixpb & a spoon
03:19.57peterSno no no no no
03:19.58teknodeit might be better if you spread it on someone ;)
03:19.59marcsthow different is it from say, hummus?
03:20.01peterSyou eat it *on* stuff
03:20.04xamJimButton: as does britons and the irish
03:20.10bethmongolian grill + peanut butter sauce on your noodles = yum
03:20.11helixmarcst: well, different. it's sweet, for instance.
03:20.14JimButtonxam: yeah, right :)
03:20.14helixmarcst: and sticky
03:20.22peterSit tastes nothing like hummus
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03:20.27Chromakodemarcst: it's warm as opposed to the cold feeling of hummus
03:20.31helixalthough hummus is also teh yummay
03:20.32marcstcuz i can eat all kinds of other legumes, just not peanuts and/or peas
03:20.39bethmarcst: cashews?
03:20.41helixChromakode: peanut butter can be cold
03:20.42JimButtonpeterS: yeah, i can testify to that, hummus is great
03:20.48marcstcashews are ok
03:20.53marcstjust about all nuts
03:20.53peterSJimButton: you mean, hummus is *also* great
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03:20.54helixhaha
03:20.55Chromakodehummus is like wet though
03:20.55marcstjust peanuts
03:21.06JimButtonpeterS: no, surely i don't mean that :)
03:21.07bethmarcst: imagine cashew butter, now imagine it better.
03:21.10peterSJimButton: heh
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03:21.12helixmarcst: peanut butter allergies are nasty
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03:21.32marcstepipens are great :)
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03:21.37marcstthey work too
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03:22.02xamJimButton: here we have either smashed potatoes or chips for every meal. Yeah. You want some asian food? Okay, curry & chips. Or perhaps curry & chips & rice. But *never* curry & rice ...
03:22.12spuer\q
03:22.12peterSheh
03:22.16spuer\exit
03:22.17JimButtonxam: bacon, spam & eggs :)
03:22.21peterSspuer: use the / with the positive slope
03:22.21spuer\quit
03:22.23|stu|2noob question, if i wanted to do a full install of debian, but wont have internet so cant use aptget, which all iso's do i need to download, like all 8 of them?
03:22.25marcstspuer: other way
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03:22.48marcst|stu|2: the first 2 ought to get you far
03:22.48xamJimBurron: that comes with a hash brown  ... which is another form of potatoes
03:22.53peterS|stu|2: there is no such thing as a "full install".  you can get most useful packages with the first 2 CDs probably
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03:22.57JimButtonxam: i know hash browns
03:23.15JimButtonxam: i only eat them when i am shitfaced after concerts here...
03:23.16marcstall this talk of food, even the deadly stuff, is making me hungry :)
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03:23.23beth|stu|2: the first ... some
03:23.23JimButtonxam: there is one diner which is open all night
03:23.25xamJimButton: at least we don't eat spam here in Ireland ...
03:23.28|stu|2k, thanks a ton guys, will try that
03:23.53beththat's the one good thing about jersey, lots of 24-hour diners.
03:23.54thomas_adam!safety dance
03:23.55dpkgS-s-s-s A-a-a-a F-f-f-f E-e-e-e T-t-t-t Y-y-y-y
03:23.57JimButtonxam: but i have never tried grits
03:24.05JimButtongrits and gravy for breakfast...phew
03:24.12yUSiyEi'm ready to install debian
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03:24.29yUSiyEbut what's the difference between US and non-US disc 1?
03:24.38JimButtonyUSiyE: not much anymore, i think
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03:24.51simonrvnfor woody it does
03:24.58K-Richhow do i make an iso from a cd in console?
03:25.03JimButtonyUSiyE: crypto software used to be in non-us
03:25.06K-Richi have k3b too
03:25.11marcstK-Rich: man mkisofs
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03:25.18xamJimButton: honestly. I haven't found any restaurant/take away that doesn't offer chips. and I mean offer like 'do you want to have chips with that' ?
03:25.28rdanceryUSiyE: get the non-us one
03:25.34fantasticbuffhey people. i usually install php from source, any one installed it from apt-get?
03:25.35bethxam: where are you?
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03:25.44xambeth: Cork, Ireland
03:25.44JimButtonxam: heh, we once had some scottish visitors in berlin, introduced them to falafel, and they ordered chips with it
03:25.44bethfantasticbuff: yeah, you apt-get it and then you have it.
03:25.57g4ltbeth can't you see, just on the other side of your screen...
03:26.03Guerinfantasticbuff: yup, works fine - I got dotdeb backports for woody though
03:26.09buchanWould anyone know why my name servers are staying saved? After I reboot they are gone.
03:26.11bethfantasticbuff: then check your apache config to make sure it's enabled and stuff
03:26.11thomas_adamxam: Is your last name Seamus or O'reilly?
03:26.14JimButtonxam: the guy serving them looked a bit confused, but then he did it and they were happy :)
03:26.17buchanIs there any 'proper' way to set it?
03:26.17maherJimButton: scotland is the home of deep fried mars bars
03:26.25JimButtonmaher: ouch
03:26.33xamthomas_adam: Seamus is a first name ;)
03:26.35thomas_adammaher: So is my local fish and chip shop around the corner.
03:26.39bethg4lt: I don't see ireland behind my screen. Am I doing something wrong?
03:26.45maherthomas_adam: where do yo live?
03:26.48thomas_adamxam: I know. I'm teasing you. :)
03:26.52thomas_adamI live in England.
03:26.53marcstmaher: you've seen them? i've heard about those :)
03:27.02Guerinmaher: one of the reasons why western scotland has the highest heart disease rate in the world
03:27.10g4ltbeth you need to clean your screen, it's right there, at pixel #15,482
03:27.21fantasticbuffthanks people, i'm trying to find the php binary now after apt-get install php4
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03:27.33rdancerbuchan: define ``name servers'' and ``saved''. maybe a dhcp problem.
03:27.40xamthomas_adam: well, 'Murphy' is quite common aswell here ;)
03:27.41thomas_adamfantasticbuff: debian stable?
03:27.41maherfantasticbuff: dpkg -L php4 will list the files
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03:27.49thomas_adamxam: Paddy, too. :)
03:27.49simonrvnfantasticbuff: try /usr/bin
03:28.01bethg4lt: ok, that would be the 122nd pixel on the 15th row.
03:28.12bethI don't see it. I guess ireland is really small?
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03:28.18fantasticbuffthomas_adam testing
03:28.22FieldySnuts!poop
03:28.26JimButtonbeth: follow the sheep
03:28.26xamthomas_adam: yeah. You shout 'Hi Paddy' in a pub, and half the people inside turn around
03:28.33thomas_adamNot as bad as Scotland though: "Michael FitzPatrick" and "Patrick Fitzmichael", seems a little homoerotic to me.
03:28.51K-Richmarcst: i still don't get it
03:29.02xamthomas_adam: haha ;-P
03:29.05marcstK-Rich: how to use mkisofs?
03:29.08thomas_adam;)
03:29.13K-Richmarcst: right
03:29.22GuerinK-Rich: tldp.org has a cd-burning howto
03:29.28thomas_adammarcst: You RTFM.
03:29.33rdancermarcst: properly.
03:29.36bethJimButton: there are sheep in the 15482nd pixel in my monitor???
03:29.41bethhow small are these sheep?
03:29.45JimButtonbeth: there must be
03:29.52JimButtonbeth: buy a better monitor
03:29.52K-RichGuerin: just trying to copy a knoppix cd to an iso file
03:30.11marcstthomas_adam: rdancer: it works fine for me, i jsut suggested  K-Rich read up on it
03:30.22fantasticbuffnot in /usr/bin either simonrvn. wierd
03:30.24buchanrdance: in /etc/resolv.conf When I installed through apt it worked fine, when I booted my system, it was blank, I changed it again, turned on comp later, and it was balnk
03:30.27GuerinK-Rich: check out the howto, it's pretty simple and short
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03:30.37rdancermarcst: ah. 8)
03:30.45JimButtonbeth: there should be two green spots with lots of sheep, the one with the mountains is new zealand, the other one is ireland...
03:30.47marcstoh wait, K-Rich you want to rip a data cd?
03:31.10thomas_adamfantasticbuff: dpkg -L php4
03:31.28GuerinJimButton: actually, NZ is 2 spots on its own
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03:32.29DoopOkkoHey all, can someone tell me what debian app should be used to open .bz2 files?
03:32.32xamspeaking about sheeps, in the Republic of Ireland there are 8 million sheep and 7 million cows, but just about 4 million people ;)
03:32.40JimButtonDoopOkko: bunzip2
03:32.51K-Richmarcst: right, i need the knppix iso on my harddrive, i have a knoppix cd,
03:32.51g4ltGuerin yeah, one for LOTR, and one for Xena ;)
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03:33.04JimButtonxam: that means being into sheep guarantees a happy sex life...
03:33.22marcstK-Rich: sorry, not much experience ripping stuff
03:33.33Guering4lt: heh
03:33.34thomas_adamMoo
03:33.43fantasticbuffthomas_adam no good
03:33.44DoopOkkothanks
03:33.50rdancerK-Rich: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foo.iso
03:33.53thomas_adamfantasticbuff: sure?
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03:34.02GuerinK-Rich: man dd
03:34.06marcsthehe, seems simple enough :)
03:34.11fantasticbuffthomas_adam yeah :).
03:34.13xamJimButton: a happy sex life? for the sheep?
03:34.20g4ltJimButton but you'd think with cows so relatively rare, theyd find better things to do with them than boil them :/
03:34.24thomas_adamfantasticbuff: no binaries listed at all?
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03:34.26debianxam: no, for you. :)
03:34.33Guerinsheep are so good to eat
03:34.44rdancerK-Rich: a data track is just a big bunch of bytes, nothing special in linux.
03:34.51l^rchkrndebian: Heyas!
03:34.53maherfantasticbuff: what do you want to do
03:35.00debianl^rchkrn: sup?
03:35.04K-Richrdancer: thanks i got it :)
03:35.08K-Richappriciate it
03:35.14thomas_adam<- bed
03:35.17thomas_adamnight night.
03:35.18fantasticbuffthomas_adam just checked again, would you believe me if i said no?
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03:35.27unknownTesting extracted archive...
03:35.35unknownInvalid size (1 MB) of extracted archive. Probably you have not
03:35.35unknownenough free disc space in the temporary directory. Note: You can
03:35.35unknownspecify an alternate directory by setting the environment variable
03:35.35unknownTMPDIR.
03:35.35unknownhow i change that
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03:35.39thomas_adamfantasticbuff: Then install the correct package. :)
03:35.43l^rchkrnlol
03:35.50thomas_adamtwat.
03:35.51maherfantasticbuff: in php4 the binary is a lib
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03:36.18l^rchkrndebian: Hmm... fredart.com is down :-\
03:36.27fantasticbuffthomas_adam: so what is the correct package?
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03:36.39thomas_adam!tell fantasticbuff about search
03:36.41debianl^rchkrn: with repository like that, I wouldn't be surprise. :D
03:36.54l^rchkrndebian: ?
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03:37.10l^rchkrndebian: The envelope is nice for example-
03:37.12debianl^rchkrn: child p0rn art. :)
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03:37.47l^rchkrndebian: http://www.fredart.com/envelope/
03:37.58maherfantasticbuff: what do you want to do?
03:38.05l^rchkrndebian: Its in Japanese for you.
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03:38.50l^rchkrndebian: Its not pr0n. They are dressed
03:38.50fantasticbuffmaher: install php with apt-get rather than my usual way by source files
03:38.58maherfantasticbuff: you already have
03:39.01debianl^rchkrn: What do we call those old man who like teenager girls, in english? :)
03:39.16fantasticbuffthomas_adam: i only downloaded the files for the web server. doh
03:39.18debianl^rchkrn: it's like megacity
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03:39.21l^rchkrndebian: Carnivore?
03:39.41l^rchkrndebian: MegaTokyo? Same drawer...
03:39.44l^rchkrnErr...
03:39.45debianl^rchkrn: no, Carnivore is a system tracking people's speech on the internet
03:39.55SnowmanAny recommendations for a excellent "chat server" application for my linux box, I want to setup a chat for our IT dept at work Thanks
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03:39.59debianl^rchkrn: it's MegaTokyo sorry. :)
03:39.59l^rchkrnGraphician. or whatsever its in english
03:40.05guestishSnowman: ircd
03:40.10l^rchkrndebian: Thats down too...
03:40.12guestishSnowman: nothing beats irc :)
03:40.35debianl^rchkrn: I really like those arts, but when you're getting older, people would regard you as a child molester. :)
03:40.44guestishSnowman: when i say ircd i mean any irc server
03:40.50SnowmanOK I check irc thanks Dudes
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03:40.54debianl^rchkrn: oh, yes, pedophile
03:41.32debianl^rchkrn: nobody would think you're a pedopile carrying art books like those when you're young...
03:41.35l^rchkrndebian: :-\
03:41.47l^rchkrnI am young.
03:42.02Q3Manis pop-before-smtp the best way to setup a mail server (read best as for reasonably tech-savvy people connecting to an imap server from random ip's around the world)
03:42.03K-Richrdancer: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=foo.iso  doesn't work
03:42.06SnowmanThanks guestish this is my first chat I'm no longer a virgin!
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03:42.12guestishSnowman: heh
03:42.14guestishSnowman: np
03:42.15debianl^rchkrn: I envy you. I gave away all those art collection books to my younger friends before 25
03:42.27K-Richdoes if i remoge the / at the end doh!
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03:43.00rdancern
03:43.05rdancershit
03:43.10fantasticbuffQ3Man: smtp auth might be better for you, pop-before-smtp can reduce performance of your server
03:43.11guestishSnowman: irc is the best :)
03:43.13l^rchkrn!pop Snowman's cherry
03:43.22l^rchkrn8)
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03:43.36l^rchkrndebian: :-D
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03:43.50Q3Manfantasticbuff, I figured... just trying to find out where the smtp_auth=on switch is :)
03:43.50guestish?
03:43.57l^rchkrndebian: I dont have any "art collection booka"
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03:44.11Q3Man.. googling now
03:44.39l^rchkrnguestish: Sorry. Loser me :-(
03:44.52guestishl^rchkrn: what do you mean?
03:44.58l^rchkrn:-D
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03:45.12l^rchkrnguestish: Nothing.
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03:46.13Snowmanguestish any irc server you recommend?
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03:46.22l^rchkrnSnowman: :-D
03:46.26l^rchkrnSnowman: Iry Dancer
03:46.37l^rchkrnSnowman: It runs Freenode
03:46.37guestishSnowman: dunno, i've never started one, you can try freeenode's which is called dancer-ircd
03:47.35l^rchkrnSnowman: Why'dya need a server anyways?
03:47.41debianl^rchkrn: of course, nothng you can't find in the internet nowaday. :)
03:48.16l^rchkrndebian: Sure there are thing you cant find.
03:48.32debianl^rchkrn: should we enable disco light in a 'dancer' irc by /disc light on
03:48.44Snowmanl^rchkrn I want a private "chat" for our IT dept on our intranet (behind our firewall)
03:48.49debianl^rchkrn: /disco light on, even. :)
03:48.50l^rchkrn/disc
03:48.54debian<PROTECTED>
03:48.56l^rchkrndebian: Yup.
03:49.01guestishl^rchkrn: its for his internal network
03:49.12l^rchkrnand
03:49.18l^rchkrn/set carnivore off
03:49.45fantasticbuffsorry people, i want the php binary, i've checked all the debian packages and none that i have checked have the php binary. do i compile it from source at php.net?
03:49.46debianl^rchkrn: you've no control over that dude. :)
03:49.52l^rchkrnSnowman: Oh cool.
03:50.06l^rchkrnSnowman: Dancer is well fitted for small networks.
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03:50.28debianSnowman: if you want a private chat you'd better use an IM
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03:50.41l^rchkrnfantasticbuff: :-)
03:50.45l^rchkrn!search php
03:50.46debian!find dancer
03:50.48dpkgDebian Package Listing of 'dancer' (7 shown): dancer-bot ;; dancer-ircd ;; dancer-ircd-doc ;; dancer-services ;; gdancer ;; libdancer-xml0 ;; libdancer-xml0-dev.
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03:51.25l^rchkrndebian: Y'all won.
03:51.27fantasticbuffl^rchkrn ??
03:51.28l^rchkrn!find php
03:51.41l^rchkrndpkg: AYT?
03:51.44dpkgDebian Package Listing of 'php' (15 shown; 128 total): caudium-php4 ;; htcheck-php ;; libapache2-mod-php4 ;; libphp-adodb ;; libphp-hawhaw ;; libphp-jpgraph ;; libphp-jpgraph-examples ;; libphp-phplot ;; mnogosearch-php ;; myphpmoney ;; php-cgiwrap ;; php-date ;; php-elisp ;; php-imlib ;; php3.
03:51.50l^rchkrnOk...
03:51.52dpkgACK
03:52.12l^rchkrnfantasticbuff: apt-get install php3?
03:52.21Snowmanl^rchkrn and guestish  thanks for the help.. This chat is a great technology. I'm signing off TTFN
03:52.48fantasticbuffl^rchkrn no worries
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03:53.28l^rchkrnfantasticbuff: ? Sure there is a "php binary" in it.
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03:53.37guestishlater
03:54.06l^rchkrn:-D XChat
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03:54.15debian"Accelerate Enterprise Modernization with industry-proven blah blah..." What're they thinking? Giving such a rubblish title. :)
03:54.23gameduckhey
03:54.26gameduckdebian make wget right?
03:54.50guestishl^rchkrn: irc servers arent all the hard to manage, right?
03:55.06guestishthat*
03:55.22debiangameduck: I'd be rich if I could spill out those meaning buzzwords straight in a row
03:55.30l^rchkrnguestish: I dont run any either :-)
03:55.38fantasticbuffl^rchkrn: now there is, thank you
03:55.51gameduckwhat??
03:55.51guestishl^rchkrn: heh, i thought when you knew that dancer was good for small networks that you would have some experience :)
03:55.51l^rchkrnfantasticbuff: :-)
03:55.52l^rchkrnfantasticbuff: np
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03:56.33guestishl^rchkrn: or was that a guess?
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03:57.24lizaeheehhee
03:57.27liza:)
03:57.29l^rchkrnguestish: Okay I _ran_ dancer, but thats all. And the homepage says its good for small networken.
03:57.32l^rchkrn...
03:57.54l^rchkrnAnd anyways, asuffield is god ;-D
03:58.18Wangstawhat would I define as the location for a ps/2 mouse while configing X?
03:58.23l^rchkrnliza: ?
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03:58.37l^rchkrnWangsta: /dev/psaux
03:58.50Wangstaty
03:58.53l^rchkrnWangsta: Some say /dev/input/mice
03:58.57guestishheh
03:59.03l^rchkrnWangsta: Try both
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03:59.24rdancerWangsta: /dev/gpm-data
03:59.38l^rchkrn- -
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04:00.02rdancer/dev/gpmdata; sorry.
04:00.02S2Kim apt-get installing kde 3.2 if kde breaks i shall become sad.
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04:00.23GuerinS2K: thanks for sharing
04:00.53zezomif I buy a sata drive and put it in with my existing HD's will the sata move hda to hdb and clame hda for it's self?
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04:01.20guestishwho is asuffield?
04:01.28guestishother than the current dancer maintainer?
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04:02.03l^rchkrnzezom: You first heed a SATA host controller.
04:02.18stevnblinuxCan someone help with cups printer setups on debian based libranet system?
04:02.21l^rchkrnzezom: A mobo with a chipset supporting SATA...
04:02.31zezoml^rchkrn, my mother board has one on board... 2 actually
04:02.34l^rchkrnzezom: Or a PCI SATA card (if there is such a thing)...
04:02.41l^rchkrnzezom: Oh.
04:02.44l^rchkrnCool.
04:02.50zezomI only got it like a month ago
04:02.53zezomyeah :)
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04:03.22rdancerzezom: it depends, probably. try, you'll see.
04:03.27zezomI'm just thinking of moving my linux partition onto the new HD and just take up all of the space... I'm finding a need for it
04:03.35guestishthere is one, i have a PCI SATA controller ;)
04:03.47zezomrdancer, ok... will do
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04:03.48guestish2 SATA ports, 1 IDE port
04:03.52l^rchkrnzezom: SATA will be actually /dev/sda, afaik. Its close to SCSI...
04:04.13zezoml^rchkrn, ok well that works
04:04.44l^rchkrnzezom: But I dunno!
04:04.48WangstaI keep using xf86config and giving it different paths to the mouse but when I look at the errors it always says unable to find /dev/input/mouse
04:04.50l^rchkrnTry it.
04:04.58Wangstaeven though I tell it differently
04:05.25l^rchkrnWangsta: as root?
04:05.29Wangstayes
04:05.31zezoml^rchkrn, that's ok I'm sure that's how it would be thinking about it... but I don't have the drive yet... hopefully in a week or two, just wanted to do some scouting before I did
04:05.35stevnblinuxI have a Brother 1440 printer connected using a Netgear network print server.  Cant get my newly loaded libranet workstation to print to it.
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04:05.40rdancerWangsta: it's another mouse, not the one you told it to use.
04:06.02stevnblinuxtried socket, ipp, lpd. nothing works.
04:06.06guestishstevnblinux: cups
04:06.10rdancerWangsta: just look in
04:06.17stevnblinuxguestish, yes.
04:06.18rdancer/etc/X11/XF86Config-4
04:06.24guestishstevnblinux: cups wont work?
04:06.30stevnblinuxcorrect
04:06.34smacnaywhat is a 'vbi' deice?
04:06.38stevnblinuxjobs show processing since ......
04:06.45stevnblinuxor aborted if I try using lpd.
04:06.48guestishnetgear network print server, does that have linux support stevnblinux?
04:06.56l^rchkrnstevnblinux: lpr?
04:07.19stevnblinuxguestish, I have been using it for about a year with debian and just recently switched to libranet and now am having problems.
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04:07.26zezomis it possible to just make a linux partition and a swap one on a new HD and just copy all of the files across? I would have to grep everything for /dev/hd and change what ever it found to /dev/sdx but other than that would it work with out a full reinstall?
04:07.27stevnblinuxl^rchkrn, lpr yes.
04:07.29Wangstardancer : It looks ok in there..........
04:07.36guestishstevnblinux: why not use debian??
04:07.42l^rchkrnstevnblinux: Most print servers are lpr and samba...
04:07.49guestishstevnblinux: libranet is just a ripoff of debian
04:08.02guestishand it looks like the netgear one is samba
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04:08.26guestishstevnblinux: maybe try installing foomatic gui and when adding the printer use its built in network printer detection to see if it can find your network printer...
04:08.28rdancerWangsta: grep /dev/ /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
04:08.34sloopywhich protocol is best for file share between two linux boxen?
04:08.38guestishstevnblinux: just an idea
04:08.43guestishsloopy: best?
04:08.51rdancer<PROTECTED>
04:08.51rdancer<PROTECTED>
04:08.54stevnblinuxguestish, foomatic gui?
04:09.00sloopyguestish: well... would you recomend ;')
04:09.00Crastyhttp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/  if I'm trying to do a netinstall, will rescue.bin and root.bin from the previously linked URL work?
04:09.01guestishstevnblinux: foomatic-gui, its a package
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04:09.05stevnblinuxk.
04:09.14guestishsloopy: i dunno, samba and nfs both work fine
04:09.18Crasty(for a pc-ish system)
04:09.22guestishsloopy: i just use samba
04:09.36guestishbut thats because i have windows boxes on the network too
04:10.03sloopyguestish: yeah my non linux boxen are mac os... hmmm
04:10.05rdancerWangsta: just get the first one right, and let the backup one be. you should probably use /dev/gpmdata, if /dev/input/mice doesn not work.
04:10.11guestishsloopy: appletalk then
04:10.32lizahi
04:10.40sloopybut appletalk doesnt have a client for linux AFAIK
04:10.44l^rchkrnsloopy: DAV
04:10.53guestishsloopy: sure it does, its in the kernel
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04:11.03guestishsloopy: 2.6 anyways, dunno about .24
04:11.04Wangstardancer : There r 2 listings, one for /dev/psaux and one for the default /dev/input/device
04:11.06guestishsloopy: 2.6 anyways, dunno about 2.4
04:11.14DoopOkkohow can i delete an alias in bash?
04:11.15l^rchkrn2.4 has appletalk as well.
04:11.23guestishsloopy: its supported
04:11.26sloopyguestish: hmmm i will have to check into it..
04:11.36guestishsloopy: im sure theres a howto on google
04:11.47debiansloopy: I think mac uses tcp/ip as well? Also, the network protocol has nothing to do with samba in this case
04:11.53Wangstao
04:12.03Wangsta2nd is back-up huh?
04:12.04rdancerWangsta: exactly. set up gpm, and off you go ^^.
04:12.09Whistleboyhwo do I make sure ide-scsi has made it from my grub boot option
04:12.16Whistleboyfor cdrw
04:12.28Wangstahow do I set up gpm? just put in /dev/psaux place /dev/gpmdata?
04:12.36sloopydebian: yeah i may just go the samba route cause the one machine runs 10.3.3 wich does smb IIRC...
04:12.37somiajWhistleboy: are you running sarge or sid by chance?
04:12.42l^rchkrnliza: Hey
04:12.49Whistleboysomiaj: sid
04:12.59somiajWhistleboy: what kernel?
04:13.05Whistleboysomiaj: 2.6.3
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04:13.11rdancersloopy: netatalk
04:13.35l^rchkrnDoopOkko: unalias?
04:13.38sloopyrdancer: yeah i know, my router runs it...
04:13.54sloopyrdancer: but i thought it was sever only...
04:14.01l^rchkrnNo.
04:14.03DoopOkkosweet; thanks
04:14.03somiajWhistleboy: why not just burn with ATAPI, your kernel and the cdrecord, cdrdao both can write to an ATAPI device, no need for ide-scsi
04:14.04l^rchkrnErr...
04:14.07rdancersloopy: heh 8)
04:14.31somiajWhistleboy: also you may want to check the topic, I belive that kernel has a local root exploite.
04:14.42l^rchkrnWangsta: Do you have udev?
04:14.44Whistleboysomiaj: that would be great.  I am trying to use k3b and it is complaining about ide-scsi.
04:14.48DoopOkkothanks
04:14.49l^rchkrnWangsta: You on 2.6?
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04:15.08Whistleboysomiaj: ok, what are people running these days?
04:15.40guestishsloopy: http://www.zettabyte.net/netatalk/
04:15.42Q3Man*sniff* unstable actually has broken packages... where is quality control ;)
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04:15.58somiajWhistleboy: hmm, you'd think kb3 could do ATAPI as its back end cdrecord can...strange, I haven't messed with kb3 personally.
04:15.58bethWhistleboy: about 7mph?
04:16.08guestishsloopy: you have to modprobe the appletalk module before you can use it though
04:16.15l^rchkrnheh
04:16.17Whistleboybeth: took me a second.
04:16.21sloopyguestish: hmmm ty, but the link is gone...
04:16.28guestishsloopy: oh, heh
04:16.38guestishhttp://www.eats.com/linux_mac_win.html
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04:16.45sloopyguestish: it happens ;')
04:16.46Whistleboysomiaj: I haven't used cdrecord in a while.  I was hoping for the quick GUI crutch
04:16.54guestishbah. broken links
04:17.06WhistleboyI had ide-scsi in my boot options.  I'll see what happens if I take it out.
04:17.13guestishthat ones down too...
04:17.13guestishah well
04:17.23sloopythat refusesconnect
04:17.32guestishsloopy: just look around www.tdlp.org, it should be there somewhere
04:17.39guestishtldp
04:17.40sloopyguestish: the almighty google knows all ;')
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04:17.44guestishsloopy: yep ;)
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04:18.12sloopyguestish: but when it comes to opinions it has them all too ;')
04:18.26Q3Manack... sasl in testing seems to be broken!
04:18.35guestishsloopy: and newsgroups, soooo many newsgroups
04:18.39Q3ManThe following packages have unmet dependencies:  libsasl2-modules: Depends: libsasl2 (= 2.1.15-6) but 2.1.18-4 is to be installed
04:18.39Q3ManE: Broken packages
04:18.50guestishhttp://www.anders.com/projects/netatalk/
04:19.03sloopyguestish: yeah, i got my first dejanews email in '95 :')
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04:19.22guestishsloopy: heh
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04:20.55S2Kif it refuses to write over a certain lib with a newer version, can i stick the older one in /usr/local/bin ?
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04:21.31WALoeIIIanyone know of a commandline bitorrent client/
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04:21.47WALoeIIIall I see in packages is bittorrent which uses pythonwx
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04:22.12guestishWALoeIII: apt-cache search torrent
04:22.31guestishWALoeIII: hrm, ur right, well beats me ;)
04:22.41stevnblinuxguestish, well, foomatic-gui does not detect anything.
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04:23.13WALoeIIIbah - I want to setup my server to download my torrents for me
04:23.17guestishstevnblinux: google for some answers, sorry, i dont know. it could be your server isnt supported i suppose..
04:23.17WALoeIIIvia a web interface
04:23.20guestishg4lt: =P
04:23.23WALoeIIIand then put them in private FTP :D
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04:23.31guestishg4lt: dont you have something better to do? :)
04:23.41WALoeIIIcron could find new torrents and download them and then kill the torrent when the share ratio reached 1.0
04:23.42asdf1if I am currently dual booting windows and linux with LILO and I format the Linux back to NTFS -- will I not be able to boot anymorE?
04:23.43guestishWALoeIII: you can get a mldonkey frontend that interfaces with the web
04:23.45stevnblinuxguestish, hmmm. I already said that this server has been in use with linux for some time now.
04:23.48asdf1guestish ^^%
04:23.50asdf1=)
04:23.50stevnblinuxk. np. thx.
04:23.53Q3ManWALoeIII, simple php script would do it
04:23.55WALoeIIIyeah but it needs to be commandline only
04:23.58guestishasdf1: ?
04:24.01WALoeIIIthe php can't download the torrent though
04:24.03g4ltguestish not really.
04:24.06guestishg4lt: heh
04:24.08WALoeIIII know it could upload the torrent
04:24.14Q3ManWALoeIII, no, but it can spawn the process to do it for you
04:24.15gameduckwhat is the best way to boot up . I'm running a dual xeon, with adaptec scsi controller. Should i boot up from "vanilla" or bf24" and what is the differnet. which one should i use? for my dual xeon anyone know???
04:24.19WALoeIIIand start some commandline application that would process the torrent
04:24.19WALoeIIIright?
04:24.33asdf1guestish: I boot windows and debian with LILO -- if I take the debian drive and convert it to NTFS -- will I not be able to boot anymore...
04:24.34guestishWALoeIII: mldonkey is commandline and supports torrents
04:24.43WALoeIIImldokey
04:24.44WALoeIIIthanks
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04:24.52Docratehi all
04:24.56guestishWALoeIII: theres a core and a million front ends
04:24.59Q3ManWALoeIII, check btdownload as well
04:25.03inkypinkydoes slrn support decoding yenc encoded files
04:25.06guestishWALoeIII: core is command line
04:25.30asdf1guestish: ?
04:25.49guestishasdf1: you have to use a windows rescue disk to put the default MBR for windows back
04:26.01guestishasdf1: then you should be fine
04:26.09WALoeIIIwhere can I find some information on mldonkey
04:26.15guestishWALoeIII: try their website :)
04:26.21asdf1guestish: how do I do that...?
04:26.36guestishasdf1: check the microsoft website
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04:26.47WALoeIIII don't speak german
04:26.53WALoeIIIand their english site is down
04:26.56WALoeIIImldonkey.org
04:26.56WALoeIII:|
04:27.03Docratei search usaged french
04:27.14guestishWALoeIII: well then wait for it to be up, what do you want me to do?
04:27.24l^rchkrn!dict ikobo
04:27.24maherWALoeIII: use google cache
04:27.26dpkgcould not find definition for ikobo
04:27.30l^rchkrn!ikobo
04:27.31guestishWALoeIII: http://mldonkey.berlios.de/ <---- its up for me
04:27.40l^rchkrnwtf is ikobo?
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04:27.49guestishWALoeIII: btw, theres #mldonkey too
04:28.00debian!wtf
04:28.01dpkgwhat the fuck is wtf
04:28.01guestishWALoeIII: right here on freenode :)
04:28.15Docrateya des francais
04:28.16Docrate?
04:28.21l^rchkrn!wtf r u doing debbie?
04:28.34l^rchkrnDocrate: #debian-fr
04:28.41guestish!french
04:28.42dpkgVous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr
04:28.53l^rchkrnVas la pour francais
04:28.57l^rchkrn:-\
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04:29.49debianl^rchkrn: heraus laut lachen
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04:30.11S2Kqu'est-ce que c'est?
04:30.16l^rchkrndebian: Quel language ist dën?
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04:30.47S2Kwhat does dpkg mean by:  trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libXv.so.1.0', which is also in package xlibs
04:30.50S2Ki don't have that file
04:31.04S2Ki renamed it to bak-libXv.so.1.0
04:31.09S2Kbut it don't work
04:31.15guestishWALoeIII: why dont you just download the core and try to use it?
04:31.27l^rchkrnS2K: sid?
04:31.44l^rchkrndebian: Seriously?
04:31.47l^rchkrn:'-(
04:31.55S2KI THINK SID
04:32.08guestish;)
04:32.08l^rchkrnS2K: Its maybe a package conflict
04:32.22S2KHOW DO I FIX CONFLICT? oops caps logk
04:32.49l^rchkrnS2K: Not by renaming... Its still in that package even if you rename the file.
04:32.59l^rchkrnS2K: Wait and the developers fix it.
04:33.09S2Kdpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0-7_i386.deb (--unpack):
04:33.09S2K<PROTECTED>
04:33.09S2Kdpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
04:33.10dpkgS2K: You are moron #65
04:33.20S2Kterrific
04:33.20maherS2K: or man dpkg and use a --force option
04:33.25l^rchkrnS2K: Maybe search bugs.debian.org for it...
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04:33.47S2Ki've had this prob too long.
04:33.58S2Ki tried to install wine, and wine wouldnt work bc of same prob
04:34.03somiajS2K: I'd check the BTS on that, seems like there is some error if they are both trying to provide the same file.
04:34.13S2Kbts?
04:34.23somiaj!tell S2K -about BTS
04:34.41guestish!tell guestish -about tet
04:34.43guestish!tell guestish -about test
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04:34.49guestishwhats the -about do?
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04:35.00g4ltsomiaj uhm, it's because of hte xlibs renaming.  it's spurious
04:35.11l^rchkrnguestish: übergeek for about
04:35.12g4ltS2K dpkg --force-depends
04:35.31guestishl^rchkrn: i ment -about vs about
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04:35.45Whistleboysomiaj: do you know how you figure out the device name for ATAPI CDRWs for cdrecord?
04:35.54l^rchkrnguestish: same?
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04:36.02l^rchkrnimho
04:36.03guestishl^rchkrn: k, just wonderin
04:36.07S2Kis right here
04:36.14l^rchkrnlol
04:36.20enki`Whistleboy: which device name? /dev/x ?
04:36.25S2Khow do i fix? i want wine and shit now. not when developers fix.
04:36.37somiajWhistleboy: cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus
04:36.52g4ltS2K are you going to listen, or continue with your bullshit?
04:36.53l^rchkrnNo.
04:36.53somiajWhistleboy: then it will be something like ATAPI:0,1,0
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04:37.27Whistleboysomiaj: there it is!
04:37.32l^rchkrnWhistleboy: You can use dev=/dev/hdc or whereever yo CDROM is...
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04:38.03S2Ksure i'll listen, but to what?
04:38.10g4ltS2K dpkg --force-depends
04:38.16rellikanybody here good with bash?  I'm trying to figure out fd's but I'm not getting it...  how come (in a shell script) 'exec 3</dev/stdin \n sleep 5 \n echo <&3 ' doesn't echo what I typed while it was sleeping?
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04:38.37Bzdoes debian have an ISO which only has packages for typical server stuff?
04:38.46BzI dont want to download 3 600Mb ISOs which have KDE, X and all that jazz
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04:38.56Bzit's just for a small server which needs squid
04:38.57l^rchkrnBz:
04:38.59l^rchkrn!d-i
04:38.59dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, d-i is at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot
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04:39.14S2Kerr it wants an action option it says
04:39.37l^rchkrnS2K: wait
04:39.44maherBz: do a net install
04:39.56S2Kim reading dpkg --force-help
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04:40.08S2Kand i'm not sure what to choose
04:40.09g4ltS2K --install might be what you need, but of course you already know that from your reading of hte manpage, right?
04:40.12TankCHey all
04:40.25TankCwhat is the vanilla flavor of debian on the 2nd CD?
04:40.32l^rchkrnS2K: apt-get -d install whatever
04:40.53l^rchkrnS2K: dpkg -i --force-depends whatever.deb
04:41.24mantidbefore using --force-depends "be extremely careful"
04:41.32Whistleboyit worked, thanks everyone
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04:41.48mantid"..can break your whole system..."
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04:42.08S2Kdo i have to put the path?
04:42.12l^rchkrnWait!
04:42.20l^rchkrnIts not even --force-depnds
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04:42.35l^rchkrnHe needs --force-overwrite, nope?
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04:42.51TankCwhat is the difference between the vanilla cd and the regular cd?
04:42.52g4ltl^rchkrn you caught the master's flaw ;)
04:43.08g4ltTankC the regualr is kinda strawberry ;)
04:43.09l^rchkrng4lt: ?
04:43.10enki`TankC: it tastes better :D
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04:43.51g4ltl^rchkrn old Japanese thing: Master-level craftsmen leave a minor flaw in their work as a signature
04:44.08TankCmore taste = more compiled-in options?
04:44.11l^rchkrng4lt++
04:44.16S2Kerr.. now that i've downloaded libxv1 using apt-get -d, where is the package located?
04:44.22l^rchkrn!karma g4lt
04:44.22dpkgg4lt has neutral karma
04:44.33debianTankC: I think just the opposite
04:44.33g4lts2k /var/cache/apt/archives
04:44.34l^rchkrn!why? i just increased it.
04:44.35halpernanyone succesfully setup mysql to use for a msg board..got any good urls ?
04:44.37enki`TankC: nah just a stupid joke ;p Sorry, i dont know. I think it's older
04:44.49g4ltl^rchkrn karma's been off for a year
04:44.56l^rchkrnAh
04:45.00l^rchkrn:-(
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04:45.15debian!karma debian
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04:45.16dpkgdebian has karma of 2
04:45.26g4ltthqat, and sussudio tried to karma-bomb me once
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04:45.40l^rchkrn!karma rellik
04:45.40dpkgrellik has neutral karma
04:45.48l^rchkrn!who is rellik
04:45.54dpkgl^rchkrn: what are you talking about?
04:46.09l^rchkrnOMFG
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04:46.26g4lt!what does rellik pay you for
04:46.27dpkgsometimes rellik pays me for foot massages, g4lt, but I'm open to suggestions!
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04:46.40guestish!+g4lt
04:46.41dpkgsomebody said g4lt was just this guy you see.  Mr. Congeniality, or prone to typos.  he can translate from typoese if asked though, or <helix> peterS: g4lt is just mean
04:46.42TankCwhats the diff between a primary and a logical partition?
04:46.50guestishso true...
04:46.53`Uglyi have a brother lazer hl-1430, i had it working before i upgraded my kerlen to 2.6.5 and now its not working.. i have what i think is the correct moduels loaded for usb... any tips on how i can check to see why its not working?
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04:47.21gravityIs that all?
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04:47.39S2Kwoohoo
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04:48.06stewTankC: you can only have up to 4 primary partitions, if you want more than that, then you make one of the primary partitions an extended partition that contains other logical paritiions
04:48.07S2Kthank you people who were so helpful. now i must og to bed.
04:48.09l^rchkrn?
04:48.09gravityg4lt: :-)
04:48.16l^rchkrnS2K: Nite
04:48.19TankCahh
04:48.19WALoeIIIHA
04:48.22inkypinkyare there any learning firewalls like say zone alarm under linux
04:48.23WALoeIIICtorrent.sf.net
04:48.29TankCStew: thanks
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04:48.29WALoeIIIgreat commandline torrent client written in C
04:48.36WALoeIIIthat should rock with a simple PHP interface!
04:48.39structis there a debian package for the mozilla firefox flash plugin?
04:48.42guestish!tell inkypinky about iptables
04:48.51l^rchkrnstruct: swf-player
04:48.56mantidthere are gui's for iptables
04:48.58aliasptrarg someone sent me a great link on setting up psaux device through the new 2.6 kernel /dev/input/mice interface
04:49.01rellikinkypinky: zone alarm is baaaaad
04:49.02structl^rchkrn: thanks
04:49.06aliasptrdoes anyone have that link? I've googled, no luck
04:49.07mantidI think there is one by alan cox
04:49.14l^rchkrndebian: +4 width would be more useful, nope?
04:49.15asdf1guestish: I just had to do install-mbr /dev/hda
04:49.16asdf1=o
04:49.26guestishasdf1: sounds good
04:49.34inkypinkyargh no iptables or ipchains or ipfwadm or ipkungfu
04:49.34aliasptrmantid, it was a debian specific site
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04:49.36eleusishey folks
04:49.36eleusisanyone here using xfce4 and kernel 2.6.6 under debian? :P
04:49.36bethsarge's automagic partitioner makes swap a logical partition, anybody know if there's a reason for that?
04:49.36`Uglyi guess thats a no huh
04:49.36betheleusis: you? :)
04:49.36`Uglyno one has any ideas at all
04:49.36eleusisbeth: besides me.. :P
04:49.39asdf123% done with NTFS reformat of drive X
04:49.39asdf1=)
04:49.49eleusisbeth: i'm having trouble with my xfce session manager :(
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04:49.52asdf1need the extra space for video editing *sighs*
04:49.55debianl^rchkrn: I'd like to have my partner...human
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04:49.59eleusisno clients can connect to it via ICE
04:50.08l^rchkrndebian: ?
04:50.19halpernyo fellas whats the mysql package called?
04:50.36eleusishalpern: mysql?
04:50.37stewhalpern: mysql-server and mysql-client (ant apt-cache search mysql)
04:50.45stews/ant/and/
04:50.45halpernok
04:50.52eleusisoh
04:51.12inkypinkyrellik: I know ZA is bad but is there someting like it under linux kinda like a intrusion detection system that asks me what proggy to give acess to the not and whcih one to block
04:51.19structl^rchkrn: is flashplugin-nonfree alright to use?
04:51.26l^rchkrnI get "this is not spam" from sourceforge :-)
04:51.27g4lt"we're not spammers, and we prove it by making sure that there's nothing constant and thus blockable in our headers"
04:51.42l^rchkrnstruct: Maybe.
04:51.44stewstruct: depending on how you feel about non-free software its perfectly ok to use
04:51.48l^rchkrnstruct: I use the free one.
04:51.58halpernstew: ty
04:52.01rellikinkypinky: yeah, like people said, iptables...
04:52.19structok
04:52.19aztecincsomiaj: do you sleep?
04:52.30mantidI still think the easiest solution for you is an ipchains/iptables gui.
04:52.53debianInternet is about love and trust. I don't see why you can't trust them. If one wants to be evil, there's always Evil Bit available for them
04:53.43g4ltdebian X-sending MUA: Microsoft Outlook"?
04:53.47inkypinkymantid: any decent iptables gui I can use or are recommended
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04:54.02mantidum, lets see...
04:54.02l^rchkrninkypinky:
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04:54.07l^rchkrn!info shorewall
04:54.13dpkgshorewall: (Shoreline Firewall (Shorewall)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.0-5 (sid), Packaged size: 96 kB, Installed size: 492 kB
04:54.14l^rchkrn!shorewall
04:54.15dpkgThe Shoreline Firewall, more commonly known as "Shorewall", is a Netfilter (iptables) based firewall that can be used on a dedicated firewall system, a multi-function gateway/router/server or on a standalone GNU/Linux system. See http://www.shorewall.net/
04:54.19l^rchkrnUgh
04:54.21l^rchkrnSorry.
04:54.28debiang4lt: AutoTrustMUA: Microsoft Outlook
04:54.51stewinkypinky: i like fwbuilder
04:54.55g4ltdebian FENVO "Trust"
04:54.59debianl^rchkrn: shorewall has a great interface but lame restriction
04:55.25l^rchkrnI never used or even seen shorewall
04:55.34l^rchkrn:-(
04:55.48l^rchkrnIPTables is so ez
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04:56.06halperndoesn anyone have a link for setting up MySQL for using msg boards?
04:56.10halperni had a link before but lost it
04:56.35l^rchkrnhalpern: Maybe phpbb.net has some howtos...
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04:56.51eleusisyay
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04:56.56debianl^rchkrn: iptables is soooo 20 years ago. real men use zonealarm on wine
04:56.57l^rchkrnphpbb.com sorry
04:57.02halpernhrm
04:57.03halpernill check
04:57.09halpernbut im gonna be using invision most likely
04:57.23g4ltdebian real STUPID men....
04:57.30l^rchkrn<PROTECTED>
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04:57.59debiang4lt: and don't forget to install anti-virus on wine... :)
04:58.11BovineSo I'm trying to install debian and its hanging on the partitioning step...
04:58.19BovineThat happen to anybody elsE?
04:58.26aztecincwhat port should VNCServer be using by default
04:58.27stewdebian: luckly, i don't think many of us in here are real men
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04:59.15l^rchkrn"just in case"
04:59.26aztecinci know the win app normally uses port 5900
04:59.29debianstew: yeah, I'm a 14yo japanese schoolgrrl trapped in 30+ years old hairly punk. :)
04:59.48l^rchkrn/country .py
04:59.50sbk_David Waitzman (RFC 1149) 'course, is the most manly of them all and just shoots the errant pigeons.
04:59.50debianl^rchkrn: you can't be too safe..
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04:59.58l^rchkrnOh i always forget its not xchat
05:00.04stewdebian: thats gonna cost you thousands in therapy eventually
05:00.05tcsetattrmust be python country
05:00.05daxxar!country .py
05:00.07dpkgCountry codes are at http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/websoft/wwwstat/country-codes.txt
05:00.22debianstew: or just IRC. :)
05:00.24zeo33xcan i use truetype fonts for unicodes?
05:00.33daxxaranyone know a terminal that supports transparency, except aterm?
05:00.41tcsetattrparaguay, actually
05:00.48FlimzyCan somebody tell me how to get XF86 4 to allow TCP connections?
05:00.50peterSdaxxar: probably eterm
05:00.57daxxarokay
05:00.58stewdaxxar: gnome-terminal konsole eterm
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05:01.34daxxarsince fluxbox only remembers positions for one type of app, and not for one 'instance' of an app, i have to use diff terminals for the ones placed elsewhere ;)
05:01.37maherFlimzy: remove -nolistem from which conf file has it in /etc/X11 - using ssh -X is better
05:01.40daxxarit overrides --geometry =/
05:01.54Flimzymaher: Doesn't ssh -X still require tcp support in X, tho?
05:02.01maherFlimzy: no
05:02.07l^rchkrndaxxar: Dont use fluxbox if its so dull.
05:02.08Flimzymaher: Well perfect then.  thanks :)
05:02.17daxxarl^rchkrn: i like fluxbox, except for that.
05:02.22daxxaranyway, later.
05:02.31BovineSo can anybody think of why the Debian installer would hang on the partitioning step?
05:02.41stewBovine: #debian-boot
05:03.06peterSBovine: the partitioning step is very very very slow on certain systems.  wait long enough to make sure it really *is* hung
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05:03.35mantidobjection - fluxbox is beautifully minimalistic, and highly conurable.
05:03.45Bovinethanks
05:03.59stewdaxxar: have you tried setting the aterm's window class or name in the command line
05:04.01mantidAlso - the tab grouping feature is great. Nothing else hsa it, afaik
05:04.22mantidconfigurable, I mean
05:04.34BovinepeterS: how long should I wait? It's been at 0% for like 10 minutes.
05:04.54Justinfluxbox is shit, and poorly coppies features from other windowmanagers.
05:04.55peterSBovine: that should be more than long enough :/
05:05.19tcsetattrBovine, try switching consoles with Alt-F2 Alt-F1
05:05.19Justinbut all the 12 year olds think it is the greatest WM ever, and 100's of  "me toos"
05:05.29hyde!start a wm war
05:05.29dpkgfvwm95 sucks!
05:05.35Flimzymantid: tab grouping feature?
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05:05.46Flimzymantid: Similar to Windows XP, and KDE?
05:05.56BovineOK... I switched consoles
05:05.58BovineNow what?
05:06.14BovineThat mean its not hung?
05:06.17stewBovine: is your hd light doing anything?
05:06.21FlimzyAnd probably every other modern GUI
05:06.25tcsetattrBovine, that's a clue that it's not completely frozen... maybe on Alt-F3 or Alt-F4 you will see some information that tells you why it stopped
05:07.41BovineIt says pvscan - Driver not loaded?, vgscan - Driver not loaded?
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05:08.00JustinFlimzy: no, those aren't "tabs", and I'd like to know what you call a "modern" gui
05:08.10BovineErrr LVM driver/module not loaded?
05:08.30FlimzyJustin: Something developed relatively recently.
05:08.50JustinFlimzy: as in?
05:08.58LuisDogcan someone help me with an apt problem???
05:09.02FlimzyJustin: Gnome and KDE would be examples.
05:09.06FlimzyJustin: In many cases.
05:09.17FlimzyJustin: I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
05:09.34JustinFlimzy: gnome and kde do not have window tabs, so try again
05:09.35g4ltFlimzy why is KDE more modern than fluxbox.  development of fluxbox started after KDE
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05:09.45Flimzyg4lt: I didn't say it was.
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05:10.25kreg1anyone know what ports to block for gnutella, kazza?
05:10.50g4ltFlimzy okay, so I take it you consider flux modern?  then your definition of "modern" encompasses blackbox, which dates back to the mid-nineties
05:11.00Justinkreg1: you need a levelsomethingorother firewall to block kazaa, it uses port 80
05:11.09aztecincok one simple question how can I change the refresh rate x has assigned to my monitor?
05:11.15Flimzyg4lt: My definition of "modern" would depend on the context
05:11.27Justintcsetattr: a packeteer can :-)
05:11.33Flimzyg4lt: And if blackbox is still being developed, I would probably consider it modern, yes... but again, it could depend on the context.
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05:11.35g4ltahhh, contextual definitions, how convenient
05:11.39Flimzyg4lt: Now what is your point?
05:11.56Flimzyg4lt: I'm not sure what you're trying to argue with me
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05:12.59l^rchkrnDoes anyone know if i can register IPv6 adresses?
05:13.10jcoleanyone here have an ati igp card?
05:13.13Flimzyg4lt: I get the feeling that you disagree with something I said... yet I haven't even stated an opinion... so I'm a bit confused as to how you can disagree with that :P
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05:13.23pwjcole: Radeon 9800 pro here.
05:13.34Flimzyl^rchkrn: That depends on what you mean.
05:13.37pwjcole: I assume you meant "AGP"?
05:13.45jcoleno, igp
05:13.47l^rchkrnabba:: Would be nice for example
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05:14.01g4ltFlimzy so what you're saying is that you had no point either?
05:14.02l^rchkrnor dead::c0de
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05:14.07pwigp?
05:14.09pwwossat?
05:14.21Flimzyl^rchkrn: It is possible to obtain IPv6 addresses.  It may or may not be possible for YOU to.  But if by "register" you mean something like, create DNS entries for, then that is also possible.  Register might also mean many other things.
05:14.25l^rchkrnIGP=Northbridge
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05:14.35jcolepw: http://www.ati.com/products/radeonigp/rigp340m.html
05:14.36g4ltpw R250
05:14.38Flimzyg4lt: I guess you didn't read what I said.  Or at least didn't read enough to understand the context.
05:14.38csehow can i forward an app to use a remote x session? I am using a remote windows X server and i want to start a program to the X server. I keep getting "could not open x server localhost:0"
05:14.45Flimzyg4lt: I was asking a question, not making a point.
05:14.46halpernhrm i cant find any documentation on setting up mysql table for phpBB
05:14.58pwjcole: coo, nifty.
05:14.59Flimzyhalpern: You don't have to, as I recall.
05:15.07g4ltcse ssh -x
05:15.14pwjcole: does it work with the regular fireGL drivers?
05:15.19halpernwhy not flimzy?
05:15.23l^rchkrnFlimzy: :-)
05:15.24Flimzyhalpern: I believe phpBB sets it up for you.  I think all you have to do is create the appropriate user... (it's been a while since I set it up... it was pretty straight forward, tho, when I did it... I don't remember any problems I had)
05:15.52halpernyea ihad a good website that was straightforward on how to do it step by step
05:15.55halperni cant find the damn link :/
05:16.04halpernit made it so easy
05:16.08Flimzyg4lt: FWIW, mantid answered my question... for some reason he chose to answer it in private msg rather than on the channel, tho.
05:16.13l^rchkrn!karma Flimzy--
05:16.13dpkgflimzy-- has neutral karma
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05:16.28jcolel^rchkrn: would you happen to know how to "enable" 3d on this card?
05:16.39l^rchkrnjcole: :-D
05:16.48cseg4lt, thanks
05:16.49structmust i configure swf-player to play sound?  i'm not hearing anything when i view flash in mozilla firefox
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05:17.07Flimzystruct: Man... I wish flash would be silent for me, too!
05:17.09l^rchkrnstruct: Youre better off with the non-free one
05:17.27l^rchkrnstruct: swf-player if kinda alpha you know. 0.2
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05:18.05structis the non-free one based on the plugin on the mozilla site?
05:18.07pwjcole: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html
05:18.18l^rchkrnstruct: Dunno.
05:18.33l^rchkrnstruct: The non-free one is macromedia's i think
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05:19.39l^rchkrn!nickometer TankC
05:19.39dpkg'TankC' is 0.000% lame, l^rchkrn
05:19.43l^rchkrnwow
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05:19.57AfgBaby!nickometer AfgBaby
05:20.06peterSl^rchkrn: learn the algorithm.  certain caps cuteness is forgiven
05:20.22gameduck.
05:20.22l^rchkrnpeterS: ?
05:20.32AfgBaby0% lame? w00t
05:20.40dondelelcaro!nickmeter AfgBaby
05:20.41dpkgAfgBaby is 100% lame with a cherry on top!
05:20.45helixpw is aliveeeeeeee
05:20.46jcolepw: thanks, but this igp card is a linux sob, seems like i need xfree86 4.4 and some special kernel patches in order for igp to work
05:20.52gameduckhi.. anyone know if there is a auto partition for debian 3.0? I can't seem to create a swap file? anyone know how. can someone show me.. thanks
05:20.59peterSl^rchkrn: alternatively, dondelelcaro might have disabled the nickometer so people would stop spamming the channel with it
05:21.09Flimzygameduck: Create a partition, set it to type 82.
05:21.14AfgBaby)-;
05:21.14dondelelcaropeterS: it only allows one public response every N minutes...
05:21.19gameduckflimzy i did that
05:21.20peterSdondelelcaro: good deal
05:21.22gameduckwhat about for swap?
05:21.24Flimzygameduck: Save the partition table, reboot.  Run 'mkswap', then add the partition to /etc/fstab
05:21.31pwhelix: I'm always alive :)
05:21.33pwSort of.
05:21.40dondelelcarountil you die, anyway...
05:21.58punk-ican anyone help me create a grep/sed instruction that displays only the stuff inside parenthesis in a file?
05:22.00somiajand that has been debated..(:
05:22.00gameduckflimzy. ok
05:22.05gameduckshould i createa  new parition
05:22.13gameduckthen i choose primary right?
05:22.22Flimzygameduck: That depends on whether or not you have one created already or not.
05:22.25gameduckthen it ask me for the size? should i enter the max?
05:22.30dondelelcaro/\(([^)]*)\)/; $1;
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05:22.39gameduckor should i save 2 GIG for swap later?
05:22.41l^rchkrnlol
05:22.48helixi hate it when dondelelcaro does that..
05:22.50gameducki can't seem to get the LABEL working
05:22.52Zenethian2 gig swap... heh.
05:22.53Flimzygameduck: for swap, you generally want 2x physical RAM, up to about 200mb (this is NOT a hard and fast rule)
05:22.59dondelelcaropunk-i: or similar. There are better ways to parse () than with regex, though.
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05:23.02Justindondelelcaro: \((.*?)\) does the same I think
05:23.04stewdogayonv: do you not need to escape the ) inside the []?
05:23.07l^rchkrnhelix: whats that anyways?
05:23.08gameducki know
05:23.12Justini usually use [^)] though  as well:)
05:23.13gameducki want 2GIG of swap
05:23.15ZenethianI have 500mb swap.  Any more than that is insane.
05:23.16Flimzygameduck: How much RAM do you have?
05:23.17karstenFlimzy: I disagree.  2x-3x swap.
05:23.17gameduckbut how do i get to swap?
05:23.20peterSl^rchkrn: helix has a phobia about interesting perl expressions
05:23.21gameducki got 1GIG of ram
05:23.22dogayonvwhat stew?
05:23.22helixl^rchkrn: i dunno, a regex nightmare
05:23.30l^rchkrn:-)
05:23.32Flimzygameduck: I can almost guarantee you will never use 2gb of RAM, unless you're running a huge server of some sort.
05:23.35dondelelcaroJustin: yeah... I'm just not sure if the backtrace is as fast as the [^\)]
05:23.37gameduckright now i'm in cfdisk 2.11n
05:23.41Zenethiangameduck:  you don't need 2gig of swap.  that is insane.  Linux doesn't use memory like windows does.
05:23.44stewdogayonv: oh nm meant dondelelcaro
05:23.46Flimzykarsten: it depends on how much physical RAM you have, and what you'll be doing on your box.
05:23.47pwgameduck: Cheat, and use a swapfile
05:23.48gameduckI do..
05:23.48Zenethianyou need 500mb of swap, max.
05:23.51pwinstead of a partition.
05:23.55dondelelcarostew: probably...
05:23.56g4ltgameduck if you capitalize GIG does that make it bigger than a GB?
05:23.56tcsetattryeah and nobody will ever need more tha 640K either
05:24.02Zenethiangameduck: for what?
05:24.02punk-idondelelcaro, can you suggest a better way than regex?
05:24.03somiajI have a hard time using up my 1gig of ram.
05:24.06gameducksome database
05:24.15gameduckanyway.. can someone point me to how to create a swap parition
05:24.15karstenFlimzy: I find there's some point at which I get a runaway, and the swap helps to isolate and kill it.
05:24.16pwIIRC in 2.4 and later, swapfiles lose no performance compared to swap partitions.
05:24.20peterSl^rchkrn: as for what it does - dondelelcaro's present specimen extracts a string surrounded by ( ) characters
05:24.21gameducki'm kind of lost
05:24.25Flimzygameduck: I have 256mb of RAM.  I'm using only 15mb of swap right now.
05:24.26l^rchkrnpeterS: So do i. about PERL
05:24.28karstenFlimzy: Linux still doesn't do well in low memory / high swap conditions.
05:24.28gameduckright now i'm in the setup. and i createa  primary
05:24.42gameduckand its asking me for the size?
05:24.45gameduckshould i enter it all
05:24.49Justindondelelcaro: \(([^)]*)\) makes the most sense from a "what does this do" perspective, but \((.*?)\) is easier to read and type:)
05:24.55Flimzykarsten: But there's still no reason to have 3x RAM for swap if you have 512mb of RAM.
05:24.57l^rchkrn'[(].*[)]'
05:24.58gameduckand save 2gig for swap?
05:25.02Flimzykarsten: 1.5gb of swap is insane in almost all cases.
05:25.11karstenFlimzy: Until it isn't.
05:25.20peterSl^rchkrn: yeah, but how do you extract just the text in between the parens?  dondelelcaro's version did that
05:25.21pwgameduck: In your position I'd be inclined to allow about 750MB swap as a swapfile.
05:25.27Flimzykarsten: huh?
05:25.32punk-ithe problem with \((.*?)\)  is that is displays the parenthesis, and i dont want them shown
05:25.32gameduckpw. how od i create a swap??
05:25.38peterSl^rchkrn: you would have to reference $& or something, and chop off the parens, both of which are bad
05:25.41JustinI have a 1G swap partition that goes mostly unused, but it is handy to have, I could mkfs it and install debian in it if I needed to
05:25.43karstenFlimzy: Swap is where you put stuff when you don't have enough RAM.  So long as you're not burning RAM allocating swap, providing yourself a healthy buffer is useful.
05:25.45Zenethiangameduck:  you create a partition and set its type to 82
05:25.47l^rchkrn'[(](^[)])*[)]'
05:25.50daxxarstew: i'll look at it :-)
05:25.52l^rchkrnBut its uglyer :-(
05:25.53somiajgameduck: man mkswap
05:25.54pwdd if=/dev/zero of=/path/to/swapfile bs=1024 count=750000
05:25.56helix:/
05:25.58pwswapon /path/to/swapfile
05:25.59peterSl^rchkrn: nope
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05:26.08gameducksomiaj. when do i type the mkswap..
05:26.10somiajgameduck: never mind (silly me just forgot the command)
05:26.13pwcoo, there's a mkswap?
05:26.16Flimzykarsten: I know quite well what swap is used for.
05:26.18l^rchkrnpeterS: :-?
05:26.22pwI just used dd for all these years :)
05:26.27peterSpw: heh
05:26.36Flimzypw: WTF?  use mkswap
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05:26.48peterSpw: mkswap formats the swap partition, which is not just a bunch of zeros.  it's required
05:26.53helixFlimzy: i think the problem is that he didn't know it existed
05:27.07pwpeterS: I didn't use mkswap on this installation :)
05:27.14Flimzykarsten: And I also know that unless you're running some incredibly memory-intensive program, more than 200-300mb of swap is wasted space.
05:27.14somiajgameduck: no that is right...(:, after you have a swap partition you use mkswap to initilize it.
05:27.20punk-iagh regex is a nightmare
05:27.20jcolei've got 2 friends that have this same laptop, but they won't install linux unless 3d works (ut2004, neverwinter nights & gxmame)
05:27.24Flimzyhelix: ahh... weird.  hehe
05:27.26gameducksomiaj?? how??
05:27.29gameduckplease help me
05:27.31tcsetattrecho SWAP-SPACE | dd of=/dev/hda2 seek=4080 (or somethign like that)
05:27.33Flimzygameduck: How much physical RAM do you have?
05:27.34jcolei hate the ati card
05:27.38somiajgameduck: read teh man page
05:27.38gameducki don't see any swap anywhere?
05:27.44gameduckflimzy i got 2GIG
05:27.44karstenFlimzy: First, what's the cost of that wastage?  We're down to < $1/GB these days.
05:27.45jcoleer, this ati card
05:27.47peterSpw: perhaps util-linux runs mkswap for you, during boot.  who knows.  what I know is that 'swapon' does not enjoy activating a swap partition that hasn't been formatted properly
05:27.52helixjcole: i'll take it :)
05:27.52pwgameduck: I'm running GNOME 2.6, firefox, evo, xchat, gaim, etc, and I'm using 0 swap.
05:27.59g4ltjcole why should you care what they install on their boxen?
05:28.01peterSpw: btw, the "formatting" is basically just a magic number so you can recognise it, then a bad block list
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05:28.11karstenFlimzy: ...and w/ OpenOffice, Galeon, Mozilla, Spamassassin, and some very sloppy shell code, I find myself chewing into it.
05:28.11pwpeterS: In the spirit of scientific inquiry, I shall have a go right now.
05:28.24gameduckplease help..
05:28.27gameduckhow do i create a swap
05:28.28Flimzygameduck: Okay... And this is going to be a server with some database application, right?
05:28.28XDrogadoj itaperuna
05:28.31gameducki'm in this screen
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05:28.35peterSpw: yeah.  maybe I'm wrong and 'swapon' these days can autodetect that situation and run the mkswap internally
05:28.35gameduckflimzy yes
05:28.35jm_man mkswap
05:28.40jcoleg4lt: cause i have the same card :/
05:28.44Flimzygameduck: Then 1-2gb of swap is probably reasonable.
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05:28.54gameduckflimzy..
05:28.55Flimzygameduck: If it was a desktop machine, I would probably advise not to even bother with swap.
05:29.02jeff/cl/cl
05:29.05jeffer.
05:29.07tcsetattrpeterS, swapon would not do mkswap automatically, that's the whole point of having a magic string - to prevent you accidentally swapon'ing a device with a filesystem on it
05:29.10gameduckits a server..
05:29.11jcolehelix: this ati card is worthless on linux, vesa driver only
05:29.18helixjcole: which card?
05:29.19rellikanybody here good with bash?  I'm trying to figure out fd's but I'm not getting it...  how come (in a shell script) 'exec 3</dev/stdin \n sleep 5 \n echo <&3 ' doesn't echo what I typed while it was sleeping?
05:29.21l^rchkrngameduck: Your RAM?
05:29.21Flimzykarsten: sloppy shell code shouldn't eat lots of RAM unless you're using a sloppily written shell.
05:29.25peterStcsetattr: that's what I'd think too.  but pw seems to think he's never run mkswap explicitly
05:29.25karstengameduck: You've got your choice of partitions and files.
05:29.28gameduck1GIG of ram...
05:29.34gameduckdamn..
05:29.42gameduckhow do i create a swap parition in debian..
05:29.44gameduckthis is driving me crazy
05:29.44karstenFlimzy: I've got a Perl formula for computing Pi lying around here somewhere....
05:29.46jcolehelix: http://www.ati.com/products/radeonigp/rigp340m.html
05:29.47gameduckwhy can't the installation be ez
05:29.50tcsetattrrellik, the "echo" command does not read from input. No descriptor at all will make it do so.
05:29.51Flimzygameduck: We've just told you about 3 dozen times
05:29.57gameduckflimzy how??
05:29.59gameduckplease advise..
05:30.00Justinjcole: doesn't that one work with really new versionf of X?
05:30.01l^rchkrnmkswap
05:30.02gameduckthis is a fresh install
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05:30.05helixgameduck: well, you have to be literate
05:30.06gameduckwhere do i type mkswap?
05:30.06Flimzygameduck: Create a partition.  Set it's type to 82.  Reboot.  Run mkswap.  Edit /etc/fstab.
05:30.08tcsetattrrellik, if you want to copy an input descriptor to output, that's "cat", not "echo"
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05:30.12l^rchkrngameduck: sahell
05:30.13Flimzygameduck: You responded the last time I told you.
05:30.13peterSgameduck: create the partition however you want.  you may need to reboot afterwards, if the root filesystem is on the same drive, in order for the kernel to get an updated partition table
05:30.13karstengameduck: In a shell.
05:30.16l^rchkrnbash
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05:30.17Flimzygameduck: at the freaking command prompt.
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05:30.23peterSgameduck: then run 'mkswap' on the partition name - after the reboot (if required)
05:30.23pwpeterS: Made my file with dd, "swapon swapfile" produces "swapon: swapfile: Invalid argument"
05:30.23l^rchkrn:-D
05:30.26gameduckso i should create two parition??
05:30.28Zenethianwow, gameduck, you need to actually learn linux, man.
05:30.30peterSpw: interesting
05:30.30pwI must concede, it appears
05:30.35TankCI keep getting a message pop up "eth0: Tx timeout - restarting" how do I tell it to not keep resetting?
05:30.38pwtimes have changed
05:30.39Zenethiangameduck: yeah, in Linux, the swap usually resides on its own partition.
05:30.47ZenethianTankC: replace your NIC card.
05:30.50gameduckdo i need a /boot parition? in debian?
05:30.51Flimzypw: You need to provide the full path to 'swapfilie'.
05:30.53flacohi...someone know can i join to #java chanell?
05:30.56gameduckcan i just have a / and swap?
05:30.58peterSgameduck: probably not
05:30.58gameduckwill that work
05:31.02pwFlimzy: No ya don't :)
05:31.05Zenethianflaco:  type /join #java
05:31.05Flimzypw: Furthermore, be aware that a swap file will provide very poor performance compared to a swap partition.
05:31.06Justingameduck: why the hell didn't you make a swap partition during the install if you wanted one so badly
05:31.06l^rchkrnflaco: /j #java
05:31.08peterSgameduck: /boot is a relic of older (pre-1998 or so) BIOS limitations
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05:31.17somiajgameduck: that is requierd for other mobo's that can only boot off the begining of the hd.
05:31.19pwI just did "mkswap swapfile" and then "swapon swapfile" and I'm away
05:31.20Flimzypw: Well, if it's in the cwd, you may not have to.  But that's sloppy :)
05:31.22l^rchkrnflaco: The same way you came to #debian HEY
05:31.25flacoaskme for a password
05:31.35pwFlimzy: For the purposes of this exercise, it's in my home directory :)
05:31.37l^rchkrnNo.
05:31.39Zenethianflaco: then you can't join it.  :)
05:31.40gameduckwhere do i type that mkswap command at??
05:31.46jcoleJustin: i think so, and some kernel patching
05:31.55Flimzygameduck: FOR THE 10TH FREAKING TIME, AT THE COMMAND PROMPT
05:32.02pwFlimzy: Also, the "swapfiles are slower than partitions" thing went away with 2.4, iirc.
05:32.06flaco#java> you need to be indetifies to join that channel
05:32.06pwI google!
05:32.14l^rchkrnflaco: I could join #java WITHOUT any password!
05:32.15Justinpw: 2.6 supposedly
05:32.15jm_flaco: /msg nickserv help
05:32.16peterSpw: right.  it's either just as fast now, or nearly so.  in 2.6 it is just as fast
05:32.17Flimzypw: That's BS.
05:32.27l^rchkrnOh i see...
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05:32.32Flimzypw: Swap files are subject to fragementation.  Swap files are not.
05:32.35Flimzyer
05:32.36TankChey all, how do I disable my ethernet?
05:32.38Flimzyswap partitions are not.
05:32.47jcolegameduck: hit alt-f2, then type "xterm"
05:32.54peterSFlimzy: "subject to fragmentation" only if you create them on a fragmented, busy filesystem
05:33.07rellikTankC: ifconfig eth0 down
05:33.08peterSFlimzy: if you create them soon after the install, like you did your swap partitions, they won't be fragmented
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05:33.13gameduckjcole that worked!!
05:33.13helixjcole: what?
05:33.14l^rchkrnTankC: ifdown
05:33.18helixhow does that work?
05:33.19pwFlimzy: http://zgp.org/linux-elitists/20031106120106.GA23650@guildenstern.dyndns.org.html <-- proves that if you ask 10 different Linux people a question, you get 10 different answers :)
05:33.21karstenTankC: Pull out the cable.
05:33.22Flimzypw: Plus, it's possible to put a swap partition at the fastest and/or most quickly accessable portion of the disk.  It's hard to guarantee that in a swap file.
05:33.33gameduckdo i make my swap a primary?
05:33.33TankCahh, much better now...
05:33.33g4ltpeterS or if you get in a hot-n-heavy game of UT, there might be fragmentation on your swap ;P
05:33.40Flimzygameduck: that doesn't matter
05:33.42peterSg4lt: oh, true (:
05:33.44Justinpw: if you ask 10 different people a question, you will get 10 different answers.
05:33.46gameduckok
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05:33.50gameduckright now i got free space 20000
05:33.53gameduckshould i reboot now?
05:34.01gravityhelix: Have you even ever played Quake?
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05:34.11helixgravity: nah.. frozen bubble is as hardcore as i get.
05:34.16flacoi need get in #java channel!!!!!
05:34.16flacodamn
05:34.20helixwell, i did play tetrinet once
05:34.25gravityhelix: Your fragging privledges have been revokes
05:34.27enki`flaco: get over it!!!!!
05:34.34JustinI am the good at quake3 :-)
05:34.36helix@priviledges
05:34.37gravityhelix: You can blow bubbles at him though
05:34.41l^rchkrnflaco: Java sux!
05:34.41helix@dict priviledges
05:34.47l^rchkrnflaco: Use Scheme
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05:34.48helixoh wait
05:34.49l^rchkrn;-D
05:34.50peterShelix: use @spell
05:34.51helixravenbird no esta aqui
05:34.56tcsetattrthere is no 'd' in the word "privilege"!
05:34.57flacoscheme SUX!!!!!
05:34.58peterSor !spell
05:34.58helix@spell priviledges
05:35.01helixfuck me
05:35.02TankCwhats the best way to set up internet sharing with a windows box as the server and a linux box sharing internet through it via ethernet?
05:35.04helixam i retarded?
05:35.05helixok
05:35.06flaco((()))))((())))) that is all scheme
05:35.11helix!spell priviledges
05:35.11gravityI'm drunk so I can't spell right now. Fuck off.
05:35.11dpkgpossible spellings for priviledges: privileges
05:35.15peterSflaco: it is not
05:35.16helix:) there
05:35.17JustinTankC: by not using the windows box as the server
05:35.21tcsetattrand while we're at it, the verb form of "administrator" is "administer" :)
05:35.24l^rchkrnflaco: 8/
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05:35.26gameduckdamn
05:35.26peterShelix: congratulations
05:35.28TankCJustin: no choice :/
05:35.29gameducki type mkswap
05:35.30peterShelix: that only took you like 6 tries
05:35.33gameduckdo i suppose to do
05:35.33helixtcsetattr: nooooooooo, it's ADMINISTRATE!
05:35.36gameduckmkswap sd2
05:35.36rellikTankC: ICS
05:35.37gameduckthe drive?
05:35.47WhistleboyWhat settings do people use for "normal" CDs when using mkisofs - -r -J  (Rockridge, Joliet)
05:35.48Flimzypw: Interesting stuff there... but some of it is inaccurate.
05:35.55helixpeterS: i know right.. it must be the endorphin high from the peppers interfering with my thinking ability
05:35.55tcsetattradministratificationize
05:35.57peterSWhistleboy: -r -J is fine
05:36.03peterShelix: right (:
05:36.04l^rchkrnflaco: type /disco lights on
05:36.13jcoleTankC: dial-up?
05:36.15l^rchkrnala debbie!
05:36.16gameduckthis suck..can some
05:36.17bethWhistleboy: -r is for unix, -J is for windows, you may want both
05:36.18peterSWhistleboy: I generally use -pad as well
05:36.19helixl^rchkrn: don't do that
05:36.23gameduckcan someone help me with a mkswap parition please
05:36.26helixflaco: don't type that
05:36.33jm_Whistleboy: I use -r -J -file-mode 444 -dir-mode 555
05:36.34helixgameduck: stfu already
05:36.37peterShelix: l^rchkrn is the new gb
05:36.38flacowhy?
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05:36.45l^rchkrnflaco: just kiddin
05:36.46helixflaco: because it will disconnect you
05:36.52flacojajaaj
05:36.54l^rchkrnflaco: type /msg nickserv register Password
05:36.55gameducki'm sorry but this is confusing to me
05:37.01l^rchkrnflaco: then you can join that #java
05:37.01TankChmm, ok
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05:37.10WhistleboypeterS: looks like -pad is the default
05:37.13TankChow do I reconfigure my ethernet settings in linux?
05:37.14flacoanyone know a good tutorial of linked list?? in java?
05:37.15helixgameduck: well, you should read what people have told you 12 times.
05:37.16peterSWhistleboy: oh, could be
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05:37.35kroTankC: /etc/network/interfaces
05:37.37l^rchkrnpeterS: gb?
05:37.38peterSWhistleboy: sometimes I also use -V 'VOLUMENAME'
05:37.40Flimzypw: For instance, it claims that partitions are written from the outside of the disk in, so there is a performance advantage to put the swap at the 'end' of the disk.  1) There is no guarantee that the data is written from the outside in.  Some models of drives work from the inside out.  2) Some drives use different numbers of sectors per track on the ouside tracks as on the inside, to accomidate for the extra "space" there.  This can cause many different "
05:37.41Flimzysweet spots" on a disk.  3) Simply because one part of the disk is faster than another doesn't mean that the fastest parts are accessed most often.
05:37.44gravityTankC: man interfaces
05:37.50peterSl^rchkrn: some dude in australia who used to tell people stuff like /disco
05:37.56gravityTankC: Or install and use etherconf
05:37.57peterSl^rchkrn: it wasn't a compliment (:
05:37.58Whistleboyjm_: what do you get if you don't use the file and dir settings?
05:38.04l^rchkrnpeterS: debian told me this
05:38.06jm_Whistleboy: 555
05:38.09Flimzypw: My general theory is to put swap as close to /usr or /var as possible (whichever partition will generally have the most access), so that the heads move as little as possible.
05:38.11l^rchkrnpeterS: the 14yo cute japanese girl
05:38.19l^rchkrndebbie or you know
05:38.21mantidI have apt-get problems - a single unmet dependancy stops me from installing, apparently, anything.
05:38.22peterSl^rchkrn: oh right
05:38.29peterSmantid: yeah, it does
05:38.33stewflaco: you are trying to write your own or use java.util.linkedlist?
05:38.38karstenmantid: What release, what dep.
05:38.41peterSmantid: sort out your dependency problems using an interactive tool such as aptitude
05:39.09guestishfrom slashdot: That reminds me of a quote I once heard: "Welcome to IRC where men are men, women are men and little girls are FBI agents"
05:39.09g4ltpeterS tell me with a straight face that you never told anyone to check the /server rules or look at the /disco lites
05:39.12l^rchkrnpeterS: ?
05:39.19l^rchkrnconfused.
05:39.24peterSg4lt: I never told that to anyone I didn't think would know better
05:39.27guestishyour random quote of the day
05:39.32tcsetattrwhen I was a newbie, we were all told to "/sign up for ops"
05:39.37l^rchkrnpeterS: I typed /disco lights on, actually didnt do anything
05:39.54mantidAlas, I may not be ab;e to install aptitude if apt-get refuses to install anything
05:40.01peterSl^rchkrn: it only works on some irc clients.  /disco is short for /disconnect
05:40.09l^rchkrnew
05:40.22karstenmantid: Care, for a second request, to identify the keystone dep?
05:40.26gravity<PROTECTED>
05:40.36flacostew> my own
05:40.47l^rchkrn/ctcp gravity parrot #2
05:40.52stewflaco: and why would you write your own when one already exists?
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05:41.01jm_or the good old times when you didn't even need to use such tricks if person had buggy script such as early versions of gargoyle, nice little kill -9 -1 trick
05:41.01God-fearersound does not work with this 2.6.6 kernel ... aumix:  error opening mixer ;-/
05:41.05mantidthe dep in question is  libvorbis0-compat.
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05:41.10flacoi have to
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05:41.33peterSmantid: all else fails, you can install and deploy 'equivs', which lets you trick the packaging system into thinking you have stuff installed that you do'nt
05:41.34FlimzyI remember an instance where I had to swap to a 360k floppy disk
05:41.38stewflaco: because you are stuck with 1.1 or becuase its homework?
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05:42.05gravityThat is terrifying
05:42.11gameducki seee
05:42.13gameducki got it!!!
05:42.14gameduckfinally
05:42.19gameduck82 is linux swap
05:42.19l^rchkrnflaco: Why dont you ask in #java?
05:42.21gameduck83 is linux
05:42.22gameduckdamit!!!
05:42.29gameduckthx all!!!
05:42.30gravityhuzzah
05:42.30karsten~tell gameduck about enter
05:42.31peterSgameduck: you know ... that really doesn't matter
05:42.37enki`!!!!
05:42.37dpkg"Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric
05:42.46l^rchkrnenki`: senki
05:42.47peterSgameduck: I hate to break it to you, but the "partition type" in the partition table isn't terribly important
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05:42.55gravitypeterS: Sh!
05:43.00enki`l^rchkrn: ?
05:43.02God-fearersound does not work with this 2.6.6 kernel ... aumix:  error opening mixer :-/
05:43.04gravitypeterS: Don't break his freshely forged spirit!
05:43.06gameduckis this right
05:43.10flacoi cant join in that channel
05:43.11flaco#java> you need to be indetifies to join that channel
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05:43.19l^rchkrnflaco: i told you
05:43.20FlimzyGod-fearer: So try compling the sound drivers you need into your 2.6.6 kernel.
05:43.23enki`flaco: wtf does that have to do with debian
05:43.24l^rchkrnflaco: type /msg nickserv register Password
05:43.27pwFlimzy: Interesting stuff.
05:43.32l^rchkrnflaco: And choose a password
05:43.34jm_flaco: we told you what to do, go bug someone else, that's not debian related
05:43.38God-fearerFlimzy: thought i did that ...
05:43.47FlimzyGod-fearer: Apparantly you did not :)
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05:44.02God-fearerFlimzy: Yup ... i did ... that's why the modules loaded
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05:44.12Spork_Boyokay, so when I double click a file in nautilus, it says no application is associated with the filetype. I click the "associate application" button, and nothing happens. how do I fix this?
05:44.14FlimzyGod-fearer: perhaps you need more than one module.
05:44.30FlimzyGod-fearer: Or perhaps you need some fun devfs type stuff, too
05:44.34enki`Spork_Boy: you write a bug report and wait for it to be fixed :)
05:44.42God-fearerFlimzy: Yup ... that's why "the moduleZ" all loaded
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05:44.50l^rchkrnAnd i tought that dumb "file association" will finally disappear!
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05:45.01God-fearerFlimzy: devfs stuff?
05:45.05Spork_Boyenki`: so other people are having this problem as well?
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05:45.13God-fearerFlimzy: what's that devfs stuff?
05:45.18FlimzyGod-fearer: Well it sounds like you know everything to do... and have done it.  It must be working!
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05:45.34enki`Spork_Boy: heh, i dunno. Just sounds like a bug. File managers are silly anyway, use cli :D
05:45.37God-fearerFlimzy: It's not working :-)
05:45.51God-fearerFlimzy: what's the devfs stuff?
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05:45.58FlimzyGod-fearer: Have you checked dmesg or other logs for clues?
05:46.18FlimzyGod-fearer: I've never used devfs... hopefully that's not your issue.  It would probably be a problem only if you were using it before, and aren't using it now.
05:46.28FlimzyGod-fearer: but if you don't know what it is, then that's probably a good sign you weren't using it earlier.
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05:46.54Spork_Boyenki`: I usually do, other than when I'm organizing media files... even with tab completion, clicking 50 things while holding ctrl is a lot easier than putting in 50 filenames, you see.
05:47.15enki`Spork_Boy: gotcha :p
05:47.25God-fearerFlimzy: i've checked dome of the logs, but i cannot find where the BOOT logs go ...
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05:47.35FlimzyGod-fearer: dmesg usually
05:47.55God-fearerFlimzy: i always see stuff at boot that looks interesting, but it does not make it into ANY of the logs
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05:48.20God-fearerFlimzy: dmesg reveals nothing that happened during boot
05:48.41l^rchkrnYes dmesg is shit
05:48.41God-fearerFlimzy: dmesg always seems to pick up right AFTER boot
05:48.42gameduck<PROTECTED>
05:48.59Spork_Boylemme ask a related question that may circumvent the problem. is there a decent less resource intensive program I could use in place of nautilus?
05:49.19tcsetattrthe 2940 is aic7xxx
05:49.21l^rchkrnSpork_Boy: mc
05:49.23dondelelcaroGod-fearer: look at /var/log/dmesg
05:49.24l^rchkrn:-)
05:49.34gameducki don't see a aic7xxxx
05:49.35gameduckdamit
05:49.46gameducki think its detected
05:49.56Spork_Boyl^rchkrn: isn't that just curses? or is there an x version?
05:50.06l^rchkrnSpork_Boy: rox
05:50.14l^rchkrn!info rox
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05:50.32l^rchkrnOkay i guve up.
05:50.35mantidPeterS - Cant "apt-get --ignore-missing equivs", peterS. I still get the broken dep message about libvorbis0-compat. Wierd
05:50.40dondelelcarogameduck: if its detected, you'll see somehting like scsi0 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 6.2.36
05:50.40CompWizrdgameduck: aic7xxx, i believe
05:50.46CompWizrdthe 1542 and 1740 are isa controllers
05:51.07gameducki seee thx!!
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05:51.24gameduckso i don't need to pick any other scsi controller right?
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05:51.32dudeany one running drupal on debian?>
05:51.35dondelelcarogameduck: if that's actually the scsi controller that you have, yes.
05:51.44dondelelcarogameduck: the 2940 is a 7xxx based controller.
05:51.47gameduckthx i got it now..
05:51.48l^rchkrnSpork_Boy: rox-filer or something
05:51.57CompWizrdg4lt: yeah, i wasn't sure on the 1740 :)
05:52.04dondelelcarogameduck: specifically a 7850 iirc.
05:52.04mantiddude - yes
05:52.06CompWizrdi have a 1522 around here somewhere
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05:52.21gameduckshould i install lilo in the MBR or install lilo on the root partion boot sector?
05:52.21dudemantid, i get this error after I install it, Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /usr/share/drupal/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 12
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05:52.31zeo33xhi all, how do i select the font unicode use for a particular language? (say japanese or chinese)
05:52.37CompWizrdMINE HAS A FLOPPY CONTROLLER, WOO
05:52.42pwgameduck: MBR if this box is only running Linux.
05:52.51gameduckk
05:52.56g4ltCompWizrd mine has a soundcard
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05:53.11mantiddude - ah yes, I got that. I'll try remember how I fixed it...
05:53.26gameduckcool
05:53.29gameduckinstalled!!
05:53.36dudemantid, would be very pleased. I think I got the databases set up. i just dont remember this problem before
05:53.39junixis 2.6.6 in apt-get repository?
05:53.48mantiddude - where is your mysql socket?
05:53.56l^rchkrnjunix: apt-get update
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05:54.06mantidchances are that its in /var/ somwhere.
05:54.09l^rchkrnjunix: apt-get search kernel-image-2.6.6
05:54.19mantidDrupal looks in /tmp for it
05:54.19dudemantid, hmmm im not sure what you mean, unfortunately
05:54.26g4ltmantid look on the upper right-hand part of the backplane ;P
05:54.42mantidlocate mysql | grep conf
05:54.59mantidmaybe /etc/mysql.conf ?
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05:55.17Flimzymantid: What is a mysql socket?
05:55.38dudeport 3306 is that what you mean?
05:55.39Justina mysql socket is a mysql socket
05:55.52dude<PROTECTED>
05:55.52mantidsorry - the mysqld socket is what sqld listens on
05:56.00FlimzyJustin: ahh.. yes... of course.
05:56.05jm_it's PF_LOCAL socket used by a client to connect to the server
05:56.12g4ltdude #include <mysql/mysql.h>
05:56.14dudemantid, sorry there is where the sock is
05:56.21dudeg4lt, where?
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05:56.26mantidYou will need to change that for drupal to communicate with mysqld
05:56.35dudemantid, change what?
05:56.46mantidchange the location of the socket
05:56.57mantidthis is done from mysqld's conf file
05:57.07stew/etc/mysql/my.conf
05:57.20mantidbut, I dont know if it breaks other client connections.
05:57.24mantidAnyone else know?
05:57.24dudemantid, ok but where should it go?
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05:57.30g4ltdude whereever you have mysql_connect() undefined.  BTW, it's safer to use mysql_real_connect()
05:57.53dudeg4lt, oh
05:57.54mantidI believe - /tmp/mysql.sock
05:58.08dudesocket          = /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
05:58.08WALoeIIIor db_connect via PEAR::DB custom :D
05:58.20dudechange this line to /tmp/mysql.sock   ?
05:58.25g4ltdude you DO have libmysql-dev installed, n'est pas?
05:58.31dudeg4lt, no
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05:58.41mantidWither that, or change the drupals php code
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05:58.46dudeg4lt, i am attemping to get drupal to work
05:58.46mantideither, I mean
05:58.54mantida php hack might be safer
05:59.00opsdfis there any way to boot up in console mode rather than X... i didnt configure gpm properly and im getting nowhere fast in gnome
05:59.14g4lt!tell opsdf about nodm
05:59.39stewopsdf: you could also ctrl-alt-f2 to get to a console
05:59.46opsdfthanks
06:00.09stewopsdf: and then ctrl-f7 to get back to x
06:00.09opsdfi think i just need to reinstall gpm with the proper yada yada
06:00.10g4ltstew you might want to read the factoid before repeating what's in it....
06:00.15stewerr alt f7
06:00.20dudemantid, should I file a bug report?
06:00.29mantiddude - it gets harder, if your understanding of mysql configuration is limited
06:00.36stewg4lt: right on
06:00.37mantidI suspect so
06:00.39dudemantid, hmmmm
06:01.01mantidI knew little about mysql a few days ago.
06:01.16mantidNow I know just enough to get drupal running.
06:01.20FlimzyI hate mysql configuration
06:01.26mantidlikewise
06:01.30FlimzyIMO, postgresql is so much easier
06:01.31mantidwebmin helps a little bit
06:01.40dudemantid, i was using webmin for it also
06:01.41Flimzyewww
06:01.44Flimzywebmin is evil
06:01.50mantidyeh?
06:01.54mantidhow so
06:02.07Justinwhat mysql configuration?
06:02.09mantidIt probably has made me more lazy...
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06:03.09mantiddude - so was I. But it was not enough. I had to look at the mysql docs on the company web isite
06:03.11FlimzyMost configuration "front ends" suck
06:04.04mantidHmm - I can think of a couple that have ended much frustration
06:04.10FlimzyIt's practically impossible for a graphical front-end to offer the same flexibility and power that a text file or command line can offer
06:04.11g4ltFlimzy I've found mysqlcc to be not bad...
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06:04.29mantidOf course, nothing beats true fimiliarity with the real system...
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06:04.48mantidFlimzy - agreed on that one
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06:05.02FlimzyI have used front ends on a few rare occasions... but I usually then went in and fine-tuned things by hand afterwards.
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06:05.10Q3Mang4lt, actually I think phpmyadmin is better than mysqlcc
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06:05.32AfgBabywhats a good quicktime player for linux?
06:05.56FlimzyAfgBaby: cat > /dev/null?  :P    I think mplayer supports QuickTime
06:06.01stewAfgBaby: /msg dpkg mplayer
06:06.06AfgBabythanx
06:06.59pwFlimzy: up to but not including sorensen codecs, it sort of does.
06:07.40g4ltpw w32codecs
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06:07.41mantiddude - a bug fix might need to be reported, if drupal does not find the actual location ot the socket in question., and I think that this is indeed a problem
06:07.45Flimzypw: I don't believe I've ever found a media file it couldn't play... but then I haven't really tried a whole lot of them.
06:08.06mantidAny apt gurus there?
06:08.16Flimzypw: It might be worth noting that I'm using illegal codecs, tho :P
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06:08.53pwFlimzy: Yes, it might :p
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06:09.16Flimzypw: They were a "free" download... just unauthorized :P
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06:10.26sabuwhat command can I use to update my package lists for apt-get?
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06:10.58mantidsabu - you mean "apt-get update", I think
06:11.09pwFlimzy: That's between you and your conscience, AFAIAC.
06:11.21sabuok
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06:12.01sabuwhat's the best way of installing the new samba?
06:12.16Flimzysabu: apt-get update; apt-get install samba
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06:12.37mantidmy apt prob - I I have "unmet dependancies" - but these deps actually exist on my system. apt-get -f install still complains
06:12.51tcsetattrmantid, give some details...
06:12.52Flimzysabu: If you need something newer than that, then the best way is probably to download the sources and compile it yourself.
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06:13.01karstensabu: apt-get install samba.
06:13.09Flimzymantid: Are the debs installed?
06:13.23karstensabu: Get samba-doc as well.  It's very comprehensive.  Note that there are some major differences between 2.x and 3.0.
06:13.23Flimzymantid: The ones required to meet the dependancies, I mean
06:13.26g4ltmantid apt isn't very good for installation of things already on your system
06:13.54mantidFlimzy - I believe so.
06:13.57g4ltmantid apt is more for getting the packages from the mirrors and installing
06:13.58sabuok
06:13.59karstenmantid: apt-cache show equivs
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06:14.27TankChow does etherconf work?
06:14.28karstenmantid: You have non-Debian packages installed which satisfy deps?
06:14.44FlimzyTankC: By sending data packets over a physical wire.
06:14.52mantidI cant apt-get install equivs, because of the broken deps. Even though the deps seem irellivant
06:14.55FlimzyTankC: You do realize that's a completely worthless question, right?
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06:15.05FlimzyTankC: er... pardon me.  I read 'ethernet' not 'etherconf'
06:15.10sabuit's just that #samba topic states to update to 2.2.9 as there are address interaction problems since one of the MS hotfixes, which is the reason why I can't access samba server from one of my machines :S
06:15.15FlimzyTankC: I have no idea how etherconf works.  I haven't heard of it
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06:15.39tcsetattrmantid, you could compile equivs from source, use that to fake dependencies, and then move on
06:15.40mantidUm,  I dont see how I could have done that, karsten. At least not deliberatly. Couls I have done it by accident?
06:16.07Flimzymantid: What deps are unmet?
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06:16.21Flimzymantid: paste the apt output to me privately, or in #flood
06:16.29arturazin what packet sgml2html can be found?
06:16.33tcsetattrmantid apparely thinks his error messages are top secret and he can't show them
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06:17.51Flimzymantid: so what happens when you run apt-get -f install?
06:17.51mantidtcsetattr - sorry , this humabn not optimzed for multasking...
06:17.56mantidgetting there
06:18.04Flimzymantid: humabn?
06:18.31mantidFlimzy - ?humabn?
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06:18.49tcsetattrbeen complaining about broken dependencies for like an hour and still hasn't shown ONE example. That's slow.
06:18.52Flimzymantid: you said "this humabn not optimized..."
06:19.10mantidwhoops - I meant human
06:19.16dogayonvanyone here use bitchx? how do i switch between channels if I join say 2 channels how do I pick which one Im in?
06:19.18Flimzyoh
06:19.40jm_ctrl-x
06:19.42Flimzydogayonv: Install a graphical IRC client.  (I like Xchat... some ppl hate it, tho)
06:19.59tcsetattrso what happens if you apt-get install libvorbis0-compat
06:20.05jm_at least it was that way last time I tried bitchx
06:20.07mantidtcsetattr - like channel rules say its best not to paste here. I just pasted on #flood
06:20.30dogayonvNo thanks I like bitchx I just need to figure out how to work it better :)
06:20.30Flimzymantid: he's on #flood, too :)
06:20.35tcsetattrthat doesn't mean you can't paste one line
06:20.38Flimzydogayonv: work it better by removing it :P
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06:21.02tcsetattrdogayonv, make it work better by installing the unperverted ircii
06:21.05mantidk - I'll try past the message over several lines...
06:21.13tcsetattrI saw it already.
06:21.18mantidapt-get --ignore-missing install fakeroot
06:21.18mantidReading Package Lists... Done
06:21.18mantidBuilding Dependency Tree... Done
06:21.19mantidYou might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
06:21.19mantidSorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
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06:21.25tcsetattrand I asked a question, about a minute ago:
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06:21.27tcsetattr> so what happens if you apt-get install libvorbis0-compat
06:21.32tcsetattryou dork.
06:21.37tcsetattrthat was not one line, was it?
06:21.48tcsetattrbesides you're still ignoring my other question: > so what happens if you apt-get install libvorbis0-compat
06:22.04tcsetattrget with it
06:22.38mantidI get aan error(1) from dpkg.
06:22.45Flimzymantid: WHAT error?
06:22.46mantidSomething about a broken pipe...
06:22.50mantidlets see...
06:22.53Flimzymantid: paste the out put of that to #flood
06:23.11mantid<PROTECTED>
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06:23.25mantidwhoops
06:23.31mantiderror mesg now on flood
06:23.42Flimzymantid: Are you using unofficial ogg vorbis .debs?
06:23.43tcsetattrso how about you apt-get remove libvorbisenc0
06:23.58TankCI'm trying to get my network card working and whenever I activate it, I get the error "eth0: Tx timeout - resetting" every second while the led indicating that the ethernet card is plugged in turns on and off with that message simultaniously.  if I type "ifconfig eth0 down" then the error messages stop and the led stays on...  "ping localhost" works fine
06:24.06TankCany ideas of what could be wrong?
06:24.30FlimzyTankC: Try another network cable.
06:24.32peterSTankC: sounds to me like you have mismatched speed / duplex settings
06:24.33tcsetattrit sure looks unofficial. he's got a libvorbis0-compat deb with "woody" in the filename, but there is no such package in the real woody.
06:24.34FlimzyTankC: and/or another port on your hub/swich
06:24.34TankC"ping localhost" woks fine when I get the error every second...
06:24.49mantidoh crap
06:24.53peterSTankC: 'ping localhost' means nothing.  it doesn't touch the network card.
06:24.59FlimzyTankC: "ping localhost" doesn't use the ethernet card.
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06:25.14chitiri_anyone here using 2.6.6 ?
06:25.19TankCthe 2 comps are connected directly to eachother via a crossover
06:25.30FlimzyTankC: You likely have a bad crossover cable, then.
06:25.37TankC>:/
06:25.39FlimzyTankC: Do you have a hub/switch around you can do some testing with?
06:25.39chitiri_kernel
06:25.48TankCno, unfortunately
06:25.49peterSTankC: possibly your other machine can't manage NWAY over crossover
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06:26.05jeffwhich is common, yet annoying.
06:26.08peterSTankC: so you might try forcing the same speed and duplex setting on both ends of the link
06:26.11FlimzyTankC: Or perhaps one of your PCs has a NIC that is strictly 100mbit, and the other strictly 10mbit, or something.
06:26.17tmbmy mouse is crap and it won't work with gpm ... 2 button microsoft mouse with wheel deal in the middle
06:26.28Flimzytmb: should work with gpm.
06:26.36TankChmm
06:26.39tmbi don't know what type it is
06:26.40jeffif it has a wheel, it is most likely a 3-button mouse. :)
06:26.41mantiderror mesg from apt-get remove libvorbisenc0 on #flood...
06:26.41peterStmb: tried gpm protocol "exps2" and device /dev/psaux ?
06:26.58mantidits the same error message that I get if I try to install anything
06:27.04TankCwould it give that error if I just had a gateway or sub mask address wrong or something?
06:27.06Flimzymantid: I suggest removing all your ogg vorbis packages, at lesat temporarily.
06:27.06tcsetattrlet's answer the other question.
06:27.13peterSTankC: no
06:27.17tmbwhat do you mean by device /dev/psaux
06:27.20tcsetattrWhere did you get that libvorbis0 from? It didn't come from debian.
06:27.20peterSTankC: that error is closer to the hardware
06:27.31tmblinking it to something or what
06:27.37peterStmb: run gpmconfig.  it will ask about your mouse device (/dev/psaux) and protocol (exps2), among other things
06:27.44tmbok
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06:27.51TankCis there someway I can tell if the network card is defective?
06:28.02TankClike, a series of tests or something
06:28.04peterSTankC: with only one other card to test with, not really
06:28.11TankCdamn
06:28.19tcsetattrI'd recommend you get rid of them all (without using apt): dpkg -r libvorbis0 libvorbisenc0 libvorbisfile3 vorbis-tools
06:28.22FlimzyTankC: The only conclusive way is to plug it into a hub/switch or another PC.
06:28.28jeffTankC: throw it at the ground Very Fast. if it ends up in more than one piece, then it is defective.
06:28.30peterSTankC: now, if you had an extra NIC to swap in, you could do *that*
06:28.46FlimzyTankC: At this point your problem could be either NIC, the cable, or simply an incompatibility between the NICs.
06:29.17tmbit's still causing wacky mayhem on the console and in x
06:29.18FlimzyTankC: Do you have a cable modem or DSL modem or any other ethernet-capable device?
06:29.22TankCok, thanks for the help.  I know its not an incompatibility because I was using these 2 nic cards before in different boxes
06:29.28Flimzytmb: Forget about X at first
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06:29.42peterSgood call
06:29.45Flimzytmb: close X out completely, and use only gpm until you have that working.
06:29.50TankCI have an ethernet wireless access point, and a wireless card in this comp
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06:30.04FlimzyTankC: Does the wireless access point have a RJ-45 jack?
06:30.09peterSTankC: well, incompatibility of NWAY negotation, possibly.  you might have forced one end or the other, or both, to a specific speed/duplex setting
06:30.25tmb<TankC> damn
06:30.29tmbok
06:30.32tmbmy mouse just did that
06:30.33felipeHow can I allow comum user to shutdown the computer?
06:30.37tmbit stays at the top
06:30.41jm_felipe: man shutdown
06:30.49peterStmb: this mouse, it's plugged into a PS/2 port, right?
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06:30.54tmbyeah
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06:31.00TankChmm, I just unplugged the cable from the opposite end.. and i'm still getting that error message
06:31.02peterStmb: and protocol 'exps2' just had that problem?
06:31.04tmbi chose 'autops2' and for protocol what you suggested
06:31.05TankCbut the light turned off
06:31.17jm_tmb: you screwed up
06:31.17mantidIf I try to remove the ogg vorbis stuff with dpkg, The error mesg tells me about more dep problems. he wost seems to be a kdelibs dep . "kdelibs4 depends on libvorbis0"
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06:31.19peterStmb: protocol 'autops2' is *not* what I suggested
06:31.21tmbgood
06:31.23felipejm_ thx!
06:31.26Flimzytmb: Try all the various PS2 protocols if necessary
06:31.38halpernhas anyone configured php in debian?
06:31.42tmbso for type and protoocl use exps2
06:31.42peterStmb: the protocols to try first are 'exps2', 'imps2' and 'fuimps2'
06:31.45halpernwhen i try to i get this error
06:31.49halpernCannot find MySQL header files under /usr/local/mysql
06:31.50jm_tmb: no
06:31.52Flimzyhalpern: If by "configure" you mean "apt-get install php", then yes.
06:32.03halpernwell i did apt-get install php
06:32.04mantiddoes this mean I have to remove kde in order to remove an  ogg vorbis utility?
06:32.06Flimzyhalpern: That doesn't sound exactly like a PHP problem.
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06:32.13peterStmb: 'type' and 'protocol' are not two different things, in gpm.  there is the device (/dev/psaux) and the type or protocol (imps2, exps2, fuimps2)
06:32.14halpernbut when i test my http server it doesnt work
06:32.21TankCwhy would it still be sending that error, even though I disconnected the cable on the opposite end?
06:32.23halpernyea all my stuff is fed up
06:32.34tmbok
06:32.47TankCinfact, even with no cable plugged into the nic card, I still get that error, every second
06:32.55Flimzymantid: It sounds to me like you did a bad thing and installed a lot of unofficial packages.
06:32.59halpernonce i get this working im gonna make a frigin guide
06:33.02Flimzymantid: Is there any reason you can't upgrade to Debian testing?
06:33.04halpernthere arent any guides out there for n00bs
06:33.12tmbthe mouse does nothing with both as exps2
06:33.22tmbshould i change the repeater type to 'none' ?
06:33.38mantidYes - the fear of problems worse than this
06:33.39rgreptmb: the repeater type is the protocol gpm will emulate on /dev/gpmdata
06:33.45jm_that doesn't have any relevance for gpm itself
06:33.46Flimzytmb: For now, yes... don't use a repeater.
06:34.02Flimzytmb: In rare instances, I have seen using a repeater mode in gpm cause different results than without.  (a bug in gpm, I think)
06:34.04tmbthanks it works
06:34.04peterStmb: ignore the repeater type for now
06:34.11TankCwhat exactly does the Tx Timeout error mean?
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06:34.15peterSFlimzy: that certainly would be a bug in gpm
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06:34.21tcsetattrhas anybody asked TankC what kind of card he's got?
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06:34.22peterStmb: Tx means "transmit"
06:34.26peterSerrr ...
06:34.27FlimzyTankC: it means it timed out while trying to transmit
06:34.29`Uglyi have a brother lazer hl-1430, i had it working before i upgraded my kerlen to 2.6.5 and now its not working.. i have what i think is the correct moduels loaded for usb... any tips on how i can check to see why its not working?
06:34.29peterStankc: Tx means "transmit"
06:34.38tcsetattrmaybe Tx Timeout is because it's losing interrupts, due to incorrect irq configuration?
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06:35.03TankCI've got a Davicom card, the box said linux compatible and I installed the module
06:35.07Flimzy`Ugly: Unplug the printer from the USB port, then plug it in again.  Then type 'dmesg' and see if it says anything about USB devices.
06:35.13Flimzy`Ugly: That will be your first clue.
06:35.19tcsetattrwhat module is it, TankC?
06:35.22`Uglyk.. brb
06:35.35Flimzytcsetattr: not likely if it's a PCI card
06:35.55tcsetattrwell don't guess... let him tell us :)
06:36.10TankCit is a pci card, I *think* the module is dmfe
06:36.11Flimzytcsetattr: If the box said "Linux compatible" it's probably PCI.
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06:36.26tcsetattrwhy did he go silent?
06:36.30Flimzytcsetattr: Not many ISA cards have been sold since "Linux compatible" was considered a marketing plus :P
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06:36.38kadeHello, i just got Debian 3.0r2, and i want to boot the latest kernel on the cdrom
06:36.44kadeBut it keeps boot 2.4.18
06:36.48kadeIs this normal?
06:36.50peterSkade: yes
06:36.53tmbgpm only works during testing... once i press Ctr+D to save changes it reverts back to retardation
06:36.53TankCI didnt get silent, just lagged a bit I think
06:36.54Flimzytcsetattr: Not to mention that many mfgrs won't want to sell ISA cards to Linux users b/c it'll be a tech support nightmare
06:37.04junixcan i mount a iso as a user?
06:37.06peterSkade: 2.4.18 is the newest kernel in Debian 3.0, including 3.0r2
06:37.08FlimzyTankC: what kernel are you using?
06:37.18kadepeterS, Oh?
06:37.22kadepeterS, Why is that?
06:37.22jm_junix: yes, you have my permission
06:37.27Flimzyjunix: not generally... altho you can set up automount support.
06:37.34peterSkade: because when 3.0 was released, in July 2002, that *was* the newest kernel available
06:37.35Flimzykade: Because it works.
06:37.35felipejm_ created the shutdown.allow
06:37.41jm_felipe: yes
06:37.43kadeI thought they would have updated the kernel when the brought out a new release
06:37.53rgrepjunix: do you mean an iso image file?
06:37.54peterSkade: and since 3.0 is a "stable release", there has to be a very good reason to introduce a new version number of a package, including a kernel
06:37.55TankC2.4.18-bf2.4
06:37.59felipejm_ thx again!
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06:38.14jm_felipe: no worries
06:38.17peterSkade: that's not to say newer kernels don't work on debian 3.0, but you have to fetch and compile them yourself
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06:38.31kadeSo i would have to download a news kernel and compile it to get a newer kernel for debian?
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06:38.39felipeAnyone uses xfce4?
06:38.48l^rchkrnfelipe: #xfce
06:38.52felipeIs there a channel for it?
06:38.53peterSkade: that's one option.  the other option is to use a debian kernel package from 'testing' or 'unstable'
06:38.55felipeow...thx
06:38.55Flimzykade: Yes.  But that is pretty easy with the help of kernel-package
06:38.57kadepeterS, I thought that might give my problem with X not working L.
06:38.59kade:/
06:39.17peterSkade: but the problem with that is, the newer kernel package requires a few newer user tools, such as a newer mkinitrd, and those in turn might depend on newer other things
06:39.23Flimzykade: realistically, tho, 2.4.18 will probably do everything you need.
06:39.24`UglyPCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:07.5 to 64
06:39.25`Uglyohci_hcd: 2004 Feb 02 USB 1.1 'Open' Host Controller (OHCI) Driver (PCI)
06:39.25`Uglyohci_hcd: block sizes: ed 64 td 64
06:39.43halpernis there any specifc way to uninstall apps on debian
06:39.43peterSkade: the only reason a newer kernel will cause X to fail is if you have a third-party X driver, such as the ones NVidia provides
06:39.50halperni wanna uninstall php, apache and mysql
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06:40.00peterShalpern: use 'dpkg --remove' or 'apt-get remove'
06:40.01Flimzyhalpern: dpkg --remove or dpkg --purge
06:40.03kadeBut i thought it might fix my X problem, because X wont start up!
06:40.06`UglyFlimzy: that is the message that i see at the bottom of dmsg
06:40.10`Uglydmesg
06:40.11Flimzyhalpern: or use dselect, aptitude, or your other front-end of choice
06:40.12halpernok ty
06:40.25Flimzy`Ugly: looks to me like it recognizes a USB device, but doesn't know what it is.
06:40.28peterSkade: the kernel has very little to do with X startup.  it affects certain 3D acceleration modules, but that's all
06:40.36Flimzy`Ugly: Make sure you have USB printer support compiled in, or loaded as a module
06:40.42l^rchkrnhalpern: We just helped you to install them :-D
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06:40.46TankCok, i'll come back here when I'm able to get ahold of a switch or a new cable or a new NIC card for that matter
06:40.51TankCthanks everyone for the help!
06:40.53kadepeterS, Thanks, i will have to see how i can fix that problem
06:40.53`UglyFlimzy: ok.. brb
06:41.02peterS!bless TankC
06:41.03dpkgO $DEITY, bless our child TankC, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give.  Amen.
06:41.14peterSTankC: ^^^ that means 'good luck'
06:41.21TankChahaha, ty ;)
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06:41.48l^rchkrnrdwr?
06:41.55peterStcsetattr: something like that (:
06:41.58l^rchkrnO'Caml
06:42.07peterSl^rchkrn: he's talking about open/fcntl flags
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06:42.26l^rchkrnpeterS: Oh. flock
06:42.27tcsetattrO_RDWR|O_DIRECT|O_NONBLOCK
06:42.46FlimzyGrrr... woody sucks.  I can't compile an application that depends on qt-dev *and* kde-dev... but on versions that conflict with each other in woody.
06:42.57l^rchkrnFlimzy: Grrr...
06:43.02felipeMy WM loads with startx /usr/bin/xfce4-session ... Where should I add this line on xdm so xdm can load it correctly? (only xfce on machine)
06:43.04FlimzyThis is the first time I've wished woody was more up to date!
06:43.10FlimzyI hated potato for a long time before woody came out
06:43.15FlimzyI'm glad it's taken this time to hate woody, tho
06:43.19Flimzyhehe
06:43.21peterSFlimzy: heh
06:43.27`UglyFlimzy: /lib/modules/2.6.5/kernel/drivers/usb/media << -- there is no "printer" support listed there.. but i did select it in the kernel driver options
06:43.55Flimzy`Ugly: did you select it as a module, or to be compiled in?
06:43.56l^rchkrnfelipe: It would by default, nope?
06:43.56`Uglythere is only media,image,input and a few other.. but none that say printer
06:44.05`UglyFlimzy: compiled
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06:44.16peterS`Ugly: drivers/usb/class/usblp
06:44.18Flimzy`Ugly: note that I've never used a USB printer in Linux before.
06:44.27Flimzy`Ugly: I'm fortunate enough to have a priner with a jetdirect card :)))
06:44.30jm_Flimzy: that's why I upgraded to sarge two months ago
06:44.31felipel^rch yep, btu I guess it run only startx, and it does not load xfce4 correctly
06:44.49tcsetattrUgly, check /proc/bus/usb/drivers to see if usblp is in there
06:44.52Flimzyjm_: I have testing on my workstation.  But on my servers, I prefer to run stable versions of software
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06:45.18`Uglytcsetattr: ok, will do
06:45.25jm_Flimzy: ahh yeah, I still use woody at work for now, but I will upgrade when X dies or we lose power, whichever happens sooner - sarge box is at home
06:45.37felipel^rchkrn: any idea?
06:45.48`Ugly/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.5/drivers/usb/class/usblp.c
06:45.52Flimzyjm_: hehe... my servers are all headless
06:45.52`Ugly/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.5/drivers/usb/class/usblp.o
06:45.54Flimzyjm_: no X.
06:45.59l^rchkrnfelipe: Add xfce4-session to .xsession
06:46.10l^rchkrnfelipe: Do you have a ./.xsession?
06:46.16l^rchkrnErr...
06:46.18jm_Flimzy: the way it should be, but I have Debian workstation
06:46.21l^rchkrn~/.xsession
06:46.23apt~/.xsession is the file for per-user X config if you use xdm/startx. E.g. "startkde". works with gdm if you select a Debian session. It's a script; put the commands you want (with & after them if they hang around), then your WM or DE last (no & on it).
06:46.24`Uglybut nothing in /proc/bus/usb/drivers
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06:46.30felipel^rchkrn: will check...hold
06:46.35l^rchkrnapt: silly.
06:46.36apt[silly] 'a good question, the answer to which is "yes, i am"'
06:46.37tmbhow do you close X without it restarting on you
06:46.45jm_tmb: /msg dpkg nodm
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06:47.04Flimzytmb: You don't.
06:47.15tmbmy mouse won't work on it
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06:47.25tmbatleast i got it working on the console
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06:47.44Flimzytmb: Okay... once it's working on the console, then turn on repeater support
06:47.47Flimzytmb: in gpm
06:47.53peterStmb: if it's working on the console, it should be fairly easy to get it working in X
06:48.00peterStmb: follow these steps:   /msg dpkg gpm+x
06:48.10felipel^rchkrn: it seems that I dun have that file...how to list the . files?
06:48.15peterStmb: basically, use the 'ms3' gpm repeater protocol, and put certain things in XF86Config-4
06:48.22l^rchkrnfelipe: ls -a
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06:49.41l^rchkrnfelipe: just put "xfce4-session" to ~/.xsession
06:49.47felipel^rchkrn: yep...no .xsession
06:49.59felipek
06:50.09l^rchkrnfelipe: Any if you want to add something later, add it before xfce4-session, and append a & to it...
06:50.16nonix4hmm, anyone happen to have ideas on checking for damages on a 'puter that survived a lightning hit w/out losing uptime but losing one ethernet card?
06:50.23felipel^rchkrn: will create the file
06:50.29FlimzyI've heard of some applications that 'strip' X protocol traffic, to make X more friendly over a dialup-type connection.  Can anyone recommend a good one of these packages (if they're actually worth using)
06:50.30l^rchkrnfelipe: Ok.
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06:50.39felipel^rchkrn: it will update all files dinamically?
06:50.40BlindManmorning
06:50.42jm_Flimzy: lbxproxy
06:50.49Flimzyjm_: thanks
06:50.50l^rchkrnfelipe: ?
06:50.53l^rchkrnfelipe: No.
06:50.53peterSjm_: I've heard lbx is actually not that effective
06:51.03l^rchkrnfelipe: "all files"?
06:51.13nonix4peterS: compared to vnc?
06:51.15felipel^rchkrn: what u edited on xfce4-session
06:51.18FlimzypeterS: is something else better?
06:51.19peterSnonix4: compared to vanilla X
06:51.22jm_peterS: it isn't
06:51.23tcsetattrhow about ssh -X -C :)
06:51.32jm_Flimzy: also look into proxymngr, xfwp and xproxy
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06:51.42l^rchkrnfelipe: ?
06:51.43BlindMansomeone got that reported from smartd: HARDWARE IMPENDING FAILURE TOO MANY BLOCK REASSIGNS? I searched on google and the groups and marc.theaimsgroup.com but except for some listings about the codes which the message is associated with it deosn't give really so much information :(
06:51.43Flimzyjm_: okay
06:51.45peterSFlimzy: I read a keith packard paper about something better, years ago.  I don't remember if it has ever been deployed or was still in the design stages, or eventually got dropped, or what
06:51.47l^rchkrnSorry.
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06:52.06SlayerXPmorning
06:52.09peterSFlimzy: I wish I could be more specific (:
06:52.10l^rchkrnfelipe: echo "xfce4-session" > ~/.xsession
06:52.10peterSSlayerXP: heya
06:52.15FlimzypeterS: hehe
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06:52.25l^rchkrnfelipe: chmod u+x ~/.xsession
06:52.27peterSFlimzy: but I'm pretty sure of the author, at any rate
06:52.36nonix4BlindMan: usually means that only around 15% of the drive's life time is left
06:52.37jm_Flimzy: it worked somewhat poorly with xvncclient for me over 256kbps link, then again, I guess that's understandable
06:52.46felipel^rchkrn: should I move xfce4-session to ~/ and rename it?
06:52.46felipel^rchkrn: ~/ is the roots or users?
06:52.48BlindMannonix4: ah, how great ...
06:52.53l^rchkrnfelipe: No.
06:52.57Flimzyjm_: I won't be using vnc
06:53.07l^rchkrnfelipe: Its just a small script
06:53.07jm_wait, that wasn't xvncclient, that was rdesktop
06:53.12Flimzyjm_: not sure how that effects things, tho
06:53.19l^rchkrnfelipe: with one line: litearlly "xfce4-session"
06:53.28nonix4BlindMan: mine gave an estimate of 2 months - was enough for the warranty to cover changing that even tho there was only 1 month of warranty left :-)
06:53.29FlimzyI'll be using a roughly 144k line
06:53.40SlayerXPwow
06:53.44jm_Flimzy: what kind of apps will you run ?
06:53.49SlayerXPunstable is actually more broken than it was yesterday
06:53.56Flimzyjm_: hehe... this will sound really corny
06:54.02Flimzyjm_: But hopefully a Kazaa client
06:54.10SlayerXPhas debian been hiring gentoo developers as package maintainers or what?
06:54.12l^rchkrn:-)
06:54.16nonix4BlindMan: block reassigns are what the drive does when it encounters errors - but it can only do a limited number of them
06:54.17BlindMannonix4: hehe ... pitty it's an scsi disc :(
06:54.18l^rchkrnSlayerXP: ?
06:54.25jm_Flimzy: hmm I shall try a GTK app one of these days, just out of curiosity
06:54.26felipel^rchkrn: ow...one line w/ xfce4-session written and saved as /xsession?
06:54.27Flimzyjm_: Trying to take advantage of my parent's higher-speed connection when I'm at home... then when I visit them, I can copy dl'ed items to my USB HD
06:54.31BlindMannonix4: mhm, thought so, but wasn't sure :(
06:54.40l^rchkrnfelipe: no.
06:54.44jm_Flimzy: is there not better alternative (non-X) ?
06:54.46l^rchkrnfelipe: ~/.xsession
06:54.49jm_not=no
06:54.51l^rchkrnfelipe: you need the "."
06:55.04nonix4BlindMan: as in there's only a limited part of the disk reserved for reassigns
06:55.05felipel^rchkrn: k
06:55.07Flimzyjm_: There might be... but I haven't found any such packages on freshmeat.
06:55.16l^rchkrnfelipe: But just do:
06:55.17SlayerXPjm_: alternatively "not a" :)
06:55.24l^rchkrnfelipe: echo "xfce4-session" > ~/.xsession
06:55.27l^rchkrnfelipe: chmod u+x ~/.xsession
06:55.40felipel^rchkrn: as root?
06:55.45l^rchkrnfelipe: No.
06:55.46peterSFlimzy: first google hit for 'keithp lbx paper' hits one paper of his on the subject, but that paper doesn't seem to suggest an alternative system, like I thought I remembered
06:55.49l^rchkrnfelipe: As normal user
06:55.54felipeouch
06:55.55felipek
06:55.59l^rchkrnfelipe: Or do you want to set this for more users?
06:56.00FlimzypeterS: I found his home page.
06:56.08nonix4(btw those reassigns DO affect performance, sometimes even noticeably)
06:56.18felipel^rchkrn: 2 users actually
06:56.26l^rchkrnfelipe: Do it as both
06:56.38l^rchkrnone after the other i mean 8|
06:56.44BlindMannonix4: yes, taken :)
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06:57.48jm_SlayerXP: new one again ?
06:57.56SlayerXPjm_: yup
06:58.00l^rchkrndigicam?
06:58.04jm_SlayerXP: what did you get this time ?
06:58.05nilseany aterm experts here ? i wonder if it is possible to get the same copy behaviour that eterm uses in aterm
06:58.07SlayerXPjm_: olympus mju 410
06:58.07l^rchkrn8¦
06:58.10SlayerXPlovely thing
06:58.28l^rchkrnSlayerXP: still or video?
06:58.34SlayerXPl^rchkrn: both.
06:58.37l^rchkrn:-D
06:58.40l^rchkrnCool.
06:58.41jm_SlayerXP: ahh the tiny one, I don't like those
06:59.02SlayerXPjm_: okay, so I'll cross you off the list of people to whom I was thinking of giving my old one :)
06:59.03jm_then again, it's easy to carry arround
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06:59.08jm_SlayerXP: haha
06:59.38felipel^rchkrn: thx man...I will test it!
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06:59.50l^rchkrnfelipe: Good luck :-)
06:59.59felipel^rchkrn: thx ;)
07:00.10l^rchkrnfelipe: Only after it works.
07:00.25felipel^rchkrn: brb
07:00.41jm_it's really tiny
07:01.19SlayerXPjm_: i have an old mobile phone which is bigger and heavier than the mju series
07:01.19l^rchkrnKangaroo Rüg?
07:01.21l^rchkrnRug?
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07:01.36jm_SlayerXP: ahh you should have seen the early NMT phones
07:01.51FlimzyI have a VPS (virtual private server) account at a colo company, which offers me "25% CPU utilization".  Is there any way for me to gauge, within my VPS, how much effective CPU I have at a given time?  Perhaps some sort of user-space 'bogomips' calculator I can run?
07:01.53SlayerXPl^rchkrn: that's an anagram of jm's name.  I've been making that joke for well over 5 years.
07:02.00SlayerXPl^rchkrn: someday is will actually be funny
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07:02.09l^rchkrn:-D
07:02.09mufahow could I change locales ?
07:02.10FlimzyI don't need anything that is super-accurate.  I'm just curious to get some feel for what CPU power I have at my disposal
07:02.13SlayerXPit will
07:02.20jm_Flimzy: how do they do that ?
07:02.29l^rchkrn:-?
07:02.34Flimzyjm_: How do they give me a certian % of CPU to use?
07:02.39jm_Flimzy: yeah
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07:03.02Flimzyjm_: Well, this particular company uses a software called Virtuozzo.  I don't know if that particular function is part of that software or not, tho.
07:03.16wcsDo any of you have any experince with ir4dex?
07:03.19Flimzyjm_: Look at User Mode Linux for an open-source project that does much of the same stuff, tho
07:03.32jm_Flimzy: well you can't achieve this with UML
07:03.40l^rchkrnwcs: I bet no!
07:03.55Flimzyjm_: There are functions in the Linux kernel that do similar things, I think...
07:04.12SlayerXPmy my my,  isn't SCOs stock graph a joy to behold?
07:04.16wcsl^rchkrn I bet yes... There a pretty big group
07:04.23Flimzyjm_: Or they might have some way of masking the priority of all of my processes... I dunno
07:04.25jm_Flimzy: I don't think Linux kernel has support for this, you can limit CPU time, but that's not the same
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07:04.31gameduckhi
07:04.39elementwhen using fdisk in the install, what is the 'type number' i have to set my swap partition to
07:04.43l^rchkrngameduck: hey
07:04.43Flimzyjm_: That may be all they do.  I'm not sure.
07:04.55Flimzyjm_: Their marketing materials are not very technically specific :)
07:04.58l^rchkrn!ir4dex
07:05.04Flimzyjm_: Which is one reason I'm interested in testing my capabilities myself.  hehe
07:05.07l^rchkrnelement: 82
07:05.19gameduckwho was helping me
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07:05.24l^rchkrnelement: and 83 for the other partitions
07:05.27karstenelement: 82
07:05.32elementthank you
07:05.34jm_Flimzy: ahh, but that's not fair - and ps will show you the amount of CPU time your processes have consumed so far
07:05.38karstenelement: Though strictly, that doesn't really matter.
07:06.00Flimzyjm_: 'top', 'w', 'ps', etc, all show a 0.0 load average.
07:06.16l^rchkrnkarsten: As long as he only runs Debian and doesnt multiboot
07:06.25jm_Flimzy: no, don't bother with that, ps auxw and look at TIME column
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07:06.30Flimzyjm_: I would be shocked if that was accurate for the entire server, since I'm assuming they're running dozens or hundreds of VPSs on their Quad Xeon system :P
07:06.34l^rchkrngameduck: ravenbird?
07:06.39Flimzyjm_: Okay...
07:06.45gameduckNO
07:06.48l^rchkrn;-D
07:06.56karstenl^rchkrn: ...and any sane person would do otherwise why... ;-)
07:06.58Flimzyjm_: How do I use the TIME column to gauge how much CPU power I actually am allowed access to?
07:07.16jm_heh 964:59 for my X server
07:07.22Ugly_DuckFlimzy: it works under kernel 2.4.20
07:07.25Ugly_Duckhub.c: new USB device 00:07.2-1, assigned address 3
07:07.25Ugly_Duckprinter.c: usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 3 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x04F9 pid 0x001A
07:07.28l^rchkrnkarsten: Yea.
07:07.44FlimzyUgly_Duck: then you have something different between 2.4 and 2.6.  Did you install the new moduleutils thingie for 2.6?
07:07.52jm_Flimzy: well you won't be able to, especially if it's really something like UML and they're looking at it at higher level
07:07.58Ugly_DuckFlimzy: Yup, i sure did
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07:08.14l^rchkrnFlimzy: module-init-tools
07:08.25Ugly_DuckFlimzy:  tis just weird, maybe i neeed practice at compiling kernels.. lol
07:08.32Flimzyjm_: FWIW, I just started a 'cat /dev/urandom | gzip -c > /dev/null'.  cat is using roughly 50%, and gzip 50% of CPU, according to top.
07:08.55Flimzyjm_: Which tells me that my VPS is totally unaware of CPU resources it isn't permitted access to.
07:09.20jm_Flimzy: yeah, that's why I was curious as to how they're doing this
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07:09.50spectrehey does anyone know where i can find a source package for milo
07:09.51l^rchkrnFlimzy: :-D
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07:09.55spectreor how to tell milo to autoboot?
07:09.56l^rchkrnFlimzy: This makes no sense
07:09.59jm_maybe thre are some commercial kernel extensions that support it
07:09.59spectrei've read the howto
07:10.02l^rchkrnFlimzy: urandom is slow
07:10.11l^rchkrnFlimzy: try with /dev/zero
07:10.16Flimzyjm_: So... if I could find some user-space bogomips calculator... then compare that output to the bogomips values in /proc/cpuinfo, perhaps I would get some (very) rough idea of how much CPU I'm actually granted?
07:10.16spectrebut the version distributed with debian is not the same as in the howto
07:10.38l^rchkrn!info milo
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07:10.42l^rchkrn(just curious)
07:10.44jm_Flimzy: but do you know that /proc/cpuinfo will show the real value and not some virtual server info ?
07:10.52spectre!info milo
07:11.04jm_Flimzy: bogomips calculator is in sysutils package
07:11.07l^rchkrn"no such pack"
07:11.14spectreyup
07:11.21spectrethats the part of the problem i'm having
07:11.24spectreno source package
07:11.27Flimzyjm_: Okay... one sec... I did that silly test of mine on my own box... wrong xterm window (doh!)
07:11.28spectreno new binary package
07:11.35spectreonly the one distributed with the bootcd
07:11.42Flimzyjm_: /proc/cpuinfo gives reasonable values for a Xeon processor
07:11.45rdancerspectre: apt-get source milo?
07:11.50jm_Flimzy: does it list 4 CPUs ?
07:11.54Flimzyjm_: Aye
07:11.55spectrerdancer, nope
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07:12.03jm_Flimzy: ok
07:12.05l^rchkrnHmm... wait
07:12.24rdancerspectre: or apt-cache show milo; look for the source package line, and do apt-get source <that package>
07:12.28FlimzyOkay... this is encouraging.
07:12.46l^rchkrnspectre: http://www.suse.de/~stepan/source/milo-2.2-18.tar.bz2
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07:12.58spectreyeah, but that source file doesn't work
07:13.04l^rchkrnOh
07:13.05Flimzyjm_: the cat /dev/urandom | gzip -c > /dev/null experiment... shows 2.7-9.9% CPU used by cat, and 0.9-3.3% used by gzip.
07:13.07spectrei've tried it with both 2.4 and 2.2.18 (suggested) kernels
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07:13.25Flimzyjm_: So I think that is probably fairly accurate
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07:13.30jm_Flimzy: didn't it use 100% before ?
07:13.31rdancerspectre: then it's... broken.
07:13.40spectrerdancer, yup
07:13.43rdancerspectre: it's the ``Source: foo'' line
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07:13.45Flimzyjm_: It used 100% before when I was accidentally testing on my local box b/c I was in the wrong window :P
07:13.48tmbshould i do 'make bzImage' or 'make bzdisk' if i boot up from a floppy
07:14.00spectrerdancer, the version distributed with the bootcd works
07:14.04spectrei just can't get it to autoboot
07:14.04l^rchkrnrdancer: there is no debian package for milo
07:14.08l^rchkrn*note*
07:14.28Flimzyjm_: I've seen cat's CPU usage jump up as high as 20% a couple times.
07:14.35Flimzyjm_: But it's generally around the 2.5-5% range.
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07:14.59mufais any bug in perl, unstable concering locales ?
07:15.12l^rchkrnmufa: bugs.debian.org/perl
07:15.12jm_Flimzy: try something more CPU intensive
07:15.18l^rchkrnFlimzy: :-D
07:15.23Flimzyjm_: what do you suggest?
07:15.38l^rchkrnPERL forkbomb!
07:15.49l^rchkrnOr Erlang hyper4
07:15.52l^rchkrn;-D
07:15.53SlayerXPFlimzy: apt-get install schedutils
07:15.58debianl^rchkrn: or malloc loop? both good. :)
07:16.01l^rchkrnThat would take ~3years...
07:16.05SlayerXPthen run 4 copies of setiathome niced to -20
07:16.07l^rchkrndebian: :-D
07:16.13FlimzySlayerXP: bleh
07:16.38debianl^rchkrn: what you guys are trying to accomplish? I'm late
07:16.40l^rchkrnFlimzy: for (;;) :;
07:16.53l^rchkrndebian: I am too...
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07:17.06debianl^rchkrn: benchmarking?
07:17.08Flimzyl^rchkrn: what shell language is that?
07:17.15rdancerl^rchkrn: it looks like there *is* no milo in debian at all (apt-file search milo, apt-cache search milo)..
07:17.46Flimzyl^rchkrn: milo would probably only be in the Alpha tree, right?
07:17.50jm_Flimzy: rc5/seti/openssl speed
07:17.53l^rchkrnrdancer: Yup.
07:18.03l^rchkrnrdancer: But there was...
07:18.04spectrehttp://www.alphalinux.org/faq/milo.html <-- this howto is useless
07:18.19Flimzyjm_: openssl?  What kind of speed test does that include?
07:18.21l^rchkrnspectre: What is milo anyways?
07:18.31Flimzyl^rchkrn: it's the loader for Alphas
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07:18.37Flimzyl^rchkrn: like LILO on a PC
07:18.45mufawhere do I set hings like LC_MONETARY, LC_MESSAGES, etc ?
07:18.47spectrel^rchkrn, mini loader for alpha
07:18.50l^rchkrnOh.
07:19.00debianFlimzy: you wanna test your smp box?
07:19.05l^rchkrnspectre: You have an alpha!
07:19.06Flimzydebian: sorta
07:19.08l^rchkrnEnvy you.
07:19.11spectrei've got 10
07:19.11jm_Flimzy: crypto/message digest tests, md2/md4/md5/hmac/sha1/des/rc2/bla bla
07:19.18l^rchkrn8-o
07:19.28jm_Flimzy: it runs for a while so you'll be able to observe its CPU usage
07:19.29spectreit will kind of suck if i have to have to attach a monitor to them to reboot
07:19.34spectreand reboot them manually
07:19.36Flimzyjm_: ok
07:19.41rdancerfor ((;;)) :;  <-- correct one
07:19.50l^rchkrnyes yes
07:19.52l^rchkrnsorry
07:19.59l^rchkrnrdancer: what language is it btw?
07:20.20debianFlimzy: to benchmark a smp box you shuld use single process or threading, as (traditionally) linux smp only load balancing on proceses
07:20.26peterSl^rchkrn: that's posix shell, possibly even bash-specific
07:20.30debianFlimzy: shuld/should NOT
07:20.32spectrel^rchkrn, techically you should be able to autoboot them there is an environment variable in the bios
07:20.41peterSdebian: eh?  not true
07:20.44Flimzydebian: I have a VPS on a quad Xeon machine.  I am theoretically limited to 25% CPU utilization.
07:20.49spectrebut there is no print environment variable command (in the debian boot cd milo)
07:20.49jm_debian: that's bollocks
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07:20.57Flimzydebian: I am trying to determine what my actual CPU utilization ability is.
07:20.59spectreso theres no way of telling if its set or not
07:21.09l^rchkrnFlimzy: ...
07:21.24l^rchkrnI have a long python threadbomb
07:21.25rdancermufa: in /etc/profile, in ~/.xsession, and in other session starting configs. man -a locale
07:21.25rdancerl^rchkrn: bastard csh, i believe.
07:21.27l^rchkrnIn mind
07:21.35l^rchkrn:-D
07:21.44debianFlimzy: if you've a process monitoring tools you'd see. sometime a processor takes up all the laoding of a compiling job wile the other take up system processes
07:21.48Flimzyl^rchkrn: I don't want to kill my VPS.  I want to test it :P
07:22.00l^rchkrnFlimzy: It wont kill it.
07:22.02Flimzydebian: Yes, I know.  I've used many SMP boxen before.
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07:22.15mufardancer: there is nothing in profile, and I don't have X on that machine
07:22.16debianFlimzy: I don't know about the quad Xeon though, but I've read somewhere that SMP takes up balancing lke taht
07:22.17jm_Flimzy: another good test might be make -j 6 on a big source tree
07:22.35l^rchkrnFlimzy: smp4 xeons at 3.06ghz?
07:22.43l^rchkrn-j 6?
07:22.46structdoes anyone know how to configure sound for the mozilla flash plugin?  i tried chmod 666 /dev/snd/pcm* and it doesn't seem to work..  do i have to relogin or something?
07:22.47l^rchkrn-j 6000 maybe
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07:22.48Flimzyl^rchkrn: not sure of the Ghz... lemme check
07:22.50debianjm_: it'd still put all the load in one processor. I think you must use something like distcc
07:23.03debianjm_: I mean the -j flag
07:23.14felipel^rchkrn: It worked!! Thx!!!
07:23.20l^rchkrnfelipe: Cool!
07:23.30Flimzydebian: -j 6 will generally utilize all CPUs in a 4-CPU system.
07:23.46chitiri_equivalent of kteacooker to gnome ?
07:23.52l^rchkrnFlimzy: smp4 xeon 3.06 is actually smp8 because of ht
07:23.59debianFlimzy: all user processes?
07:24.06l^rchkrndebian: ?
07:24.09Saw^in /proc/uptime there are two numbers, are they described somewhere or do somebody know what they are?
07:24.15Flimzyl^rchkrn: then maybe it'sa dual... I dunno.
07:24.20debianFlimzy: what monitoring tools are you using?
07:24.23rdancermufa: so you want to know where it *is being* set, right?
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07:24.33l^rchkrnFlimzy: lol.
07:24.39Flimzyl^rchkrn: /proc/cpuinfo shows CPUs 0 thru 3 running at 2.40Ghz.
07:24.41l^rchkrnI get a benchmark for ya.
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07:24.45Flimzydebian: Just 'top' right now.
07:24.53l^rchkrnFlimzy: Okay, 2.40 is not ht
07:25.04mufardancer: exactly, more I would like to know why I got an error like "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" and how could I fix that
07:25.06l^rchkrnso its "just" smp4
07:25.09Flimzyl^rchkrn: So it's either a Quad Xeon, or a Dual Xeon and Linux sees it as Quad due to HT?
07:25.15tcsetattrSaw^, man 5 proc
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07:25.45debianFlimzy: what in top show you which processes belong to which processor?
07:25.51rdancerstruct: mmmaybe strace mozilla ... although that'll print a *lot* of crap along the way.. watch for errors (EGAIN, EACCESS, ESOMETHING)
07:26.02Flimzydebian: Nothing.
07:26.03structokay
07:26.08Flimzydebian: I don't know that I really care about that, tho :P
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07:26.21Saw^tcsetattr: thanks
07:26.29l^rchkrnFlimzy: http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/bench/ackermann/ackermann.python
07:26.30jm_debian: no it won't, it will use all CPUs
07:26.38l^rchkrnFlimzy: Try it in python
07:26.44l^rchkrn;-D
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07:26.51debianjm_: waht make you so sure of that? :)
07:26.59Flimzyl^rchkrn: what is that?
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07:27.20debianFlimzy: okay. :) just in case you really curious you could use some resource monitor which show the usage of seperate CPU, and the nature of processes
07:27.29rdancermufa: man -a locale; dpkg-reconfigure locales
07:27.33Flimzydebian: Do you recommend such a tool?
07:27.36jm_debian: because I have tried it
07:27.42mufardancer: I did that so many times
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07:28.22felipe_l^rchkrn: when I try to shutdown w/ a user, xfce4 says that I should add the name of the user to /etc/xfce4/shutdown.allow so then user can shutdown...I already did that and it is not shutting down
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07:29.09rdancermufa: works for me, buddy.
07:29.23debianFlimzy: there's a version of gkrellm takes care of 2 processors tbut that doesn't seem to be found in debian tree. I don't have four processors so I'm not really sure what monitor could be used
07:29.37jm_mufa: do any other tools say the same, like perl ?
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07:30.09mufajm_: how could I see what perl says?
07:30.15jm_mufa: run perl
07:30.15rdancermufa: wrt setting those variables, either hunt the place where there are set from (grep -r LC_ ~/.* is a good start), or simply set them from within your ~/.bashrc or ~/.zshrc or ~/.profile or whichever startscript you happen to use.
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07:30.27debianFlimzy: two processors version of gkrellm has its limitation, it doesn't show exactly what process is running in a processor. It'd show you in color whether the processing running is user or system processes
07:30.44halpernany of you people know where debian install apache thru the apt-get install apache.. i did locate apache but i dont come up with anything
07:30.58debianjm_: how do you tell if the loading of a single process spread across several processors?
07:31.02l^rchkrnfelipe_: I dunno. It should work if you already did that...
07:31.03felipe_l^rchkrn: any idea?
07:31.05mufaperl: warning: Setting locale failed.
07:31.08debianjm_: s/do/did
07:31.12l^rchkrnfelipe_: I dont use XFCE :-(
07:31.15Flimzydebian: I think that multiple threads will show as multiple lines in top
07:31.20jm_debian: err use a decent version of top which shows the load for each CPU
07:31.22felipe_l^rchkrn: any permission required on that file maybe?
07:31.25Flimzydebian: But with the same PID(??)
07:31.30l^rchkrnFlimzy: Thats Ackermann's function. Try to run it...
07:31.35jm_mufa: so it failed, fix it
07:31.46debianjm_: decent version of top? :)
07:31.48halperni do apt-get install apache.. i then go to http://localhost and i see nothign :/
07:31.58Flimzyl^rchkrn: what does it do, exactly?
07:32.00UltraSubhi... using samba for big file transfers from a win host.
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07:32.07UltraSubperformance is ok for a minute
07:32.09UltraSubthen it drops
07:32.13mufajm_: that is the part I don't know how to do it
07:32.17UltraSublater on it is ok again for a minute
07:32.19UltraSubthen it drops again
07:32.20felipe_halpern: try type 127.0.0.1
07:32.24l^rchkrnfelipe_: Well, world read would be enough...
07:32.28UltraSubis this some kind of buffer prob?
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07:32.35UltraSubor where should i look at?
07:32.36halperni did felipe
07:32.39halpernnothin :/
07:32.41jm_debian: 2.0.13 works for me
07:32.45debianFlimzy: hmm...so far the stock smp kernel doesn't seem to do thread balancing. The SMP/cc patch do the load balancing on processes level only. :(
07:32.52jm_mufa: what are your current locale settings ?
07:32.52felipe_l^rchkrn: ok! U did a lot 4 me!! thx!!!
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07:33.11mufajm_ can I paste in flood?
07:33.16felipe_halpern: /etc/init.d/apache restart
07:33.17debianjm_: ....a 2.0.13 does thread level SMP load balanacing while post 2.0.4 kernel doesn't? :)
07:33.17rdancerUltraSub: you can get wiser using tcpdump
07:33.18jm_mufa: sure, but I am not there ;)
07:33.24mufa:))
07:33.26halperni did that too felipe :)
07:33.27felipe_halpern: or /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
07:33.31felipe_lol
07:33.34debianjm_: wait, it'd not be impossible. :)
07:33.40jm_debian: that's a version of top, and top doesn't do any balancing at all
07:33.45l^rchkrnfelipe_: np.
07:33.52UltraSubill go have a look rdancer... thnx for the tip
07:33.57felipe_halpern: dunno then
07:33.58mufajm_ it is a mixture of en_US and ro_RO-UTF8
07:33.58debianjm_: just as I thought... :)
07:34.03felipe_halpern: sorry
07:34.03Flimzyl^rchkrn: it doesn't seem to like that script.
07:34.07halpernits alright
07:34.09msWhen I upload with ftp on my server I gets default chmod -rw-r-----, but I want it to be a+r, how can I make this the default chmod on all ftp uploads?
07:34.14mufaand I would like to put all them to C
07:34.16halpernnothign is working with me with linux so heh
07:34.25mufaor en_US, something standard
07:34.36jm_debian: dude, you better shut up, you're not making any sense
07:34.37l^rchkrnFlimzy: It computes Ackermann's function... Kinda useful, but not for you. But it takes lotsa CPU.
07:34.51jm_mufa: export LANG=C ; export LC_ALL=C
07:34.57Flimzyl^rchkrn: well it doesn' run.
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07:35.06jm_mufa: or en_US for that matter
07:35.07scoutthere's ten urls, http://something/1.wma http://something/2.wma ..., how could i wget it automatically?
07:35.07l^rchkrn:-)
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07:35.14jkrit correct that the Promise TX2000 IDE RAID card is supported in Sage only in a non RAID modus?
07:35.17endorhello
07:35.25scoutwget http://something/[123].wma doens't work for me
07:35.28Flimzyl^rchkrn: I don't even know what that is.  hehe
07:35.52halpernfelipe_: i had dhttpd installed too as well
07:35.55halpernconflicted heh
07:35.56l^rchkrnscout: for i in 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10; do wget http://.../$i.wma; done
07:36.05mufajm_ thank you
07:36.15scoutkade, thanks l^rchkrn
07:36.25endori've installed kernel 2.6.5 and since than always got the following error message, when removing a package.. : dpkg: error while cleaning up: fork failed: Cannot allocate memory.. how's that possible?
07:36.32l^rchkrnFlimzy: :-)
07:36.35rdancerscout: ...{1,2,3,4,5}...
07:36.47SlayerXPhmmm, this mailman bug has been outstanding for a month or more
07:36.50l^rchkrnFlimzy: Do you have python?
07:36.54Flimzyl^rchkrn: yes.
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07:37.00l^rchkrnFlimzy: Try this:
07:37.01jm_scout: alternatively, you need to use wget -r or --mirror (and probably --no-parent too)
07:37.03debianjm_: I just want to know what make you so sure about things you don't have proof
07:37.11wcsquit
07:37.13l^rchkrnFlimzy: Oh wait, i have to write it...
07:37.13rdancerscout, l^rchkrn: for i in `seq 10`; do ...
07:37.15Flimzyl^rchkrn: I also have boa :P
07:37.30l^rchkrnFlimzy: Python is better cuz its slower.
07:37.48jm_debian: for fucks sake, I have just tried it, it clearly put a load on both CPU-s on our SMP system -- fine if you don't believe me, but I won't go any further then this to prove it
07:37.52dogayonvanyone know of any graphic network conf programs? command line or X
07:38.14jm_dogany;man interfaces ; /msg dpkg interfaces ; cd /usr/share/doc/ifupdown and read ; apt-cache show etherconf
07:38.48jm_SlayerXP: hey, maybe you'll know this -- is bind 9 much different to configure compared to bind 8 ? and what's more important, would bind9 secondary server work with bind 8 master server ?
07:38.58endoruhm.. can somebody tell me what to do in order to fix that error?
07:39.06Flimzydogayonv: command line and graphical are mutually exclusive
07:39.15jm_endor: it means fork has failed ...
07:39.16debianjm_: I didn't say I don't believe you. I just ask what tools you used that show you the processes are load-balanced in SMP. What did I say implying you lie?
07:39.24jm_debian: I said I used top
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07:39.53endorjm_: but why is that? didn't have this problem before changing the kernel.. did I missconfigure it or something?
07:40.13dogayonvthanks see you all later have a good night
07:40.19rdancerFlimzy: what was wrong with the for ((;;)) :;, i wonder?
07:40.21jm_endor: hard to say, does it detect all of your memory ? is some process using all of your memory under 2.6 ? you'll have to investigate a bit
07:40.36Flimzyrdancer: what shell is that for?
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07:41.17endorjm_: can i see if a process is using all the memory with top? i think it detects all of it.
07:41.21l^rchkrnFlimzy: http://rafb.net/paste/results/x2090476.html
07:41.25jm_endor: yes
07:41.25l^rchkrnFlimzy: Execute it.
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07:41.43l^rchkrn:-D
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07:42.02endorjm_: yeah.. it does detect all of it, and no process is using more than 2%..
07:42.17Flimzyl^rchkrn: what's that one do?
07:42.19rdancerFlimzy: zsh -c 'for ((;;)) :;' -- fscking lazy csh syntax, afaict. deprecated. obsolete. DO NOT USE THIS! ;)
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07:43.12l^rchkrnFlimzy: Read the code!
07:43.20l^rchkrnFlimzy: Its a simple threadbomb.
07:43.37endorjm_: just didn't find anything about that error msg on the google.. so i don't really know what to do about it.
07:43.49jm_endor: well then perhaps it happens while removing a package ? try to remove it and run top with 0s delay
07:43.57endorokay
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07:44.24scoutrdancer, thanks
07:44.28Flimzyl^rchkrn: how is that going to help me?
07:44.44l^rchkrnFlimzy: It will show if you can go beyond 20%...
07:44.49l^rchkrnCPU
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07:45.00Saw^How can I remove n last lines from a file? I think that works out with sed, but I didn't quite find out how to
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07:45.21l^rchkrnFlimzy: Cuz it will use up all power of all CPUs :-D
07:45.23jm_Saw^: you can use sed/tail/head ...
07:45.41jkrit correct that the Promise TX2000 IDE RAID card is supported in Sage only in a non RAID modus?
07:45.55l^rchkrnFlimzy: But you can always stop it with CTRL+C
07:46.00Flimzyrdancer: okay...
07:46.08Flimzyrdancer: I'm up to 54.5% CPU right now
07:46.24Flimzylooks like it's maxing out about there
07:46.51FlimzyWhen I run two instances, they both run at about 28%
07:47.00FlimzyWhich tells me I max out at about 55% of a single CPU
07:47.08Saw^jm_: sure, but how do I do it with sed? I checked the man-page, but I didn't understand how to do that
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07:47.18jm_Saw^: do you know the numbers ?
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07:47.44Flimzy4 instances run at 13% each.
07:47.48l^rchkrnFlimzy: http://rafb.net/paste/results/x2090476.html
07:47.52l^rchkrn:-(
07:47.54Saw^jm_: I want to get 3 last lines off
07:48.08Flimzyl^rchkrn: yet another one?
07:48.28FlimzyI think my tests have concluded that I have roughly the equivolent of a 1.2Ghz Xeon at my disposal.  hehe
07:48.30jm_Saw^: but you don't know how many lines are in the file ?
07:48.31l^rchkrnFlimzy: No. same
07:48.35l^rchkrnFlimzy: Run it!
07:48.40rdancerFlimzy: heh: sh -c 'f(){ f& f& }; f'
07:48.43Saw^jm_: mm... yep
07:48.56endorjm_: that's weird.. dpkg uses around 56% and the other packages all together around 10% but on the top it shows less than 10% of free memory left 8)
07:49.00Flimzyl^rchkrn: bleh... I don't trust it! :P
07:49.06rdancerFlimzy: i've done this right now, and didn't get to the Session->
07:49.10l^rchkrnFlimzy: There is the code!
07:49.12l^rchkrn:-\
07:49.14l^rchkrnOkay.
07:49.15Saw^jm_: I know how I can clip lines from head of the file, but not from the end, not
07:49.17jm_endor: are you sure top is updating fast enough ?
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07:49.20rdancerSend_signal in konsole 8)
07:49.20Flimzyl^rchkrn: Yes, I see the code.  I don't trust the code. :P
07:49.23l^rchkrnFlimzy: It clearly shows you cannot program.
07:49.26endorjm_: top -d 0 8)
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07:49.36Flimzyl^rchkrn: Moreover, I believe I have already come to a conclusion I am happy with.
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07:49.38endorjm_: don't know if that's fats enough.
07:49.45Flimzyl^rchkrn: I can program.  That's why I know I don't want to run a fork bomb :P
07:49.48l^rchkrnFlimzy: :-D Okay.
07:49.49machinthis ploiud
07:49.50Flimzyor a thread bomb
07:49.50endorjm_: it was updatzing very slow, when dpkg was running.
07:49.57jm_endor: yeah delay 0s is fast enough, so now we know it's dpkg that chews it, right ?
07:50.02jm_endor: due to swapping
07:50.14WALoeIIIwhat do I do to add color to my command prompt?
07:50.22WALoeIIII don't wnat to have to enter -c everytime I do an ls to get color
07:50.22endorjm_: hm, yeah.
07:50.22machincar wahunted carenbegyr
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07:50.31mutilatoranyone know of a lspci type program for windows?
07:50.32endorjm_: but why does it do that?
07:50.33machinforenaid
07:50.33WALoeIIIhow can I make this switch default?
07:50.54l^rchkrnFlimzy: You just run a fork bomb lol.
07:50.55machinbis plai
07:50.57machiny
07:51.03machincharumen
07:51.06l^rchkrnFlimzy: What rdancer told.
07:51.08jm_Saw^: well the fact that you don't know the number of lines makes it hard
07:51.10debianmultilator: Cygwin. :)
07:51.12Flimzyl^rchkrn: No, that didn't fork.
07:51.13machincarucu
07:51.16Flimzyl^rchkrn: that was just an infinite loop.
07:51.19l^rchkrnOh.
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07:51.27Flimzyl^rchkrn: while [ 1 ]; do $*; done  <--- THAT is a fork bomb :P
07:51.29l^rchkrnInfinite loops no nothing.
07:51.32jm_endor: that;s what you need to find out, try dpkg -D65535
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07:51.50rdancerWALoeIII: script wrapper: echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nls --color=auto' > /usr/local/bin/ls; chmod +x /usr/local/bin/ls
07:52.06zardusmutilator: just put "alias ls='ls --color=auto'" in .bash_profile or .bashrc
07:52.26jm_WALoeIII: alias ls='ls --color=auto' - check your ~/.bashrc and .bash_profile
07:52.45zardusmutilator: oops, wrong person :-)
07:52.46Flimzyl^rchkrn: ?
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07:53.20jm_endor: perhaps it's something it runs in one of the *rm scripts - is it actually the dpkg process that causes it ?
07:53.26zardusanyone know how to background dhcp on startup (ala knoppix)?
07:53.38l^rchkrnFlimzy: What's in my code you dont trust?
07:53.43debianzardus: /j #knoppix
07:53.53zardusdebian: thanks :-)
07:54.15rdancerFlimzy: what about for a in `seq 1000`; do for ((;;)) :; done?
07:54.40SlayerXPjm_: http://www.hinterlands.org/mjumacro2.jpg
07:54.51zinx:x
07:54.56Flimzyrdancer: That won't run for very long.
07:55.09WALoeIIIhey were can I find a guide for customizing my bashrc?
07:55.11endorjm_: well.. with the debug thing now it shows the same error msg.. and in top it is dpkg that uses the memory.. i'm sorry, but i don't know how to find out, if it's dpkg or one of the scripts that's causing it...
07:55.12zinx:(){ :|:&};: is still the best forkbomb i've seen :P
07:55.18FlimzyWALoeIII: man bash
07:55.30FlimzyWALoeIII: not to be confused with man-bashing, which is a totally different thing.
07:55.31WALoeIIIdamnit I hate that answer
07:55.32l^rchkrnzinx: http://rafb.net/paste/results/x2090476.html ?
07:55.35FlimzyWALoeIII: but can also be fun.
07:55.37debianFlimzy: if you really wanna stress test your Xeon you can use lmbench
07:56.11Flimzydebian: Nah... I just wanted to find out where the limits were on my processes. I think I determined that reasonbly well.
07:56.23zardusWALoeIII: http://freeunix.dyndns.org:8088/site2/howto/Bash.shtml
07:57.41rdancerFlimzy: what about for a in `seq $(calc $MAX_PROCESSES /2)`; do for ((;;)) :& done?
07:58.04rdancerbtw, which is the unix equivalent to !calc?
07:58.07jm_SlayerXP: very nice
07:59.15jm_SlayerXP: did you see my bind question ?
07:59.17SlayerXPjm_: the coin is roughly 12-13mm across
07:59.23SlayerXPjm_: nope.
07:59.29zignigapt-zip and a usb-keyring in so usefull.
07:59.32jm_Saw^: the simple and innefective solution is to use 3 seds via pipes
07:59.41zignigSlayerXP: what are you viewing it with ?
07:59.47jm_SlayerXP: hey, maybe you'll know this -- is bind 9 much different to configure compared to bind 8 ? and what's more important, would bind9 secondary server work with bind 8 master server ?
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08:00.06SlayerXPjm_: no and yes, in that order.
08:00.21Saw^jm_: in the manual there is "$  Match the last line." <-- How do I use that?
08:00.23jm_SlayerXP: cool, thanks, I will try to configure bind 9 then
08:00.28SlayerXPzignig: not sure I understand the question.
08:00.48SlayerXPjm_: apt-get install bind9  does most of the hard work :)
08:00.51zignigSlayerXP: what kind of camera did you use to photograph the coin.
08:00.55zignig?
08:00.59SlayerXPzignig: olympus mju 410
08:01.10jm_Saw^: I'd use this : sed -ne '$!p' file| sed -ne '$!p' | sed -ne '$!p'
08:01.13endorjm_: bind9 is cool :)
08:01.18zignigSlayerXP: set to a focal length of 2mm ?
08:01.20zignigSlayerXP: :)
08:01.30endorjm_: but anyway.. uhm.. any more suggestions what I could do?
08:01.37jm_SlayerXP: we already have bind8 server running on a potato box, but the disk died so I am thinking of replacing it with bind 9
08:01.41SlayerXPzignig: "super macro" mode, I was trying it out
08:01.45SlayerXPI could get closer, I think
08:01.48zignigSlayerXP: v-nice .
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08:02.01zignigSlayerXP: 20p , a skanky one at that :)
08:02.07jm_endor: it's not trivial to give you any suggestion like this, are you using unstable ? did you check BTS ?
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08:02.22endorjm_: stable. what is bts? 8)
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08:03.12difetahey all! What package do i need to install to get Xrandr support on my xserver in sarge?
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08:03.22jm_endor: bug tracking system, but I doubt such bug is in woody since it works for everyone else - how much memory is it using (in absolute terms, not relative) ?
08:03.26jm_SlayerXP: thanks for the info
08:03.40SlayerXPnp
08:03.59jm_difeta: sarge has xf 4.3, but I don't know if all of randr is implemented by now
08:04.13difetajm_, ok thx
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08:04.52Saw^jm_: well at least that works, but I think there is also a "proper" way to do that
08:04.59endorjm_: is it normal, that it shows more than 50% used memory at the top, but no process having more than 2%? 8) kind of doesn't add up to 50.. hmm..
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08:05.07jm_Saw^: if you know the numbers ...
08:05.33jm_endor: don't look at the top value, look for amount used by processes
08:05.42Cokejm_: hey man! you know the calendar stuff we talked about last week? :)
08:05.57jm_Coke: yes
08:06.07Cokejm_: well, I'm 50% done.
08:06.22Cokejm_: the database backend and text GUI are done
08:06.36Cokejm_: only the command line tool remains to be built.
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08:06.49zignigCoke: isn't that a bit backwards ?
08:06.51Cokejm_: and the ical import/export, ofcourse. :)
08:06.57jm_Coke: database ?
08:06.59Cokezignig: why?
08:07.11zignigCoke: just for me anyway. :)
08:07.38Cokejm_: yeah, you can use any type of backend, I just chose to do it with mysql first. it will be very easy to implement a backend for flat files or bdb.
08:07.46Cokezignig: what is backwards and why?
08:08.00jm_Coke: ok, I find tools that rely on mysql for no particular reason very annoying ;)
08:08.29elementi think the drivers i need for my NIC are not installed...how can i verify they are/get installed? (i just freshly installed debian)
08:08.31Cokejm_: well, why don't you implement the flat file backend.
08:08.49mandiyeah.. if something can be translated from mysql to bdb/flat file easily, then it's an abuse of an SQL server to use it with mysql in the first place ;)
08:09.01endorjm_: it's using 14M.
08:09.07l^rchkrnmandi: HI!
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08:09.22dragonkhmornig all
08:09.25mandil^rchkrn, um, hi?
08:09.32Cokemandi: the thing that mysql provides is thread safety over many simultaneous write operations to the same, remote source.
08:09.33l^rchkrnmandi: zoof?
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08:09.46Cokenot to mention indexing and performance.
08:09.48zignigmandi: heh, sql can be remote and multi-user
08:10.16dragonkhI just installed sarge - any idea why as root I can't run any apps in X - I get - can't connect to display
08:10.33mandiCoke, maybe I misunderstand what the app does, then
08:10.39Cokethe poor bastard that implements the flat file backend needs to consider a lot of issues or limit the backend to work for only one user.
08:10.41mandii thought it was for scheduling things
08:10.48Cokemandi: it is.
08:10.58elementanyone?
08:11.04endorjm_: 12-14M out of 28M.
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08:12.02jm_Coke: it depends on how motivated I am in using such apps
08:12.13jm_endor: wait, you only have 28M ???
08:12.20endoryes.
08:12.22Cokejm_: hehe, I'm not motivated to use it at all. I don't even have a clock!
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08:12.30jeanmi_does anyone know a text-based (or ncurse) tool to monitor (with some kind graphs) the trafic on a network interface ?
08:12.41endorjm_: but it doesn't have to run any big apps..
08:12.49l^rchkrn!info ntop
08:12.54dpkgntop: (display network usage in top-like format), section net, is optional. Version: 1:3.0rc1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2346 kB, Installed size: 6384 kB
08:12.59jm_endor: tried adding more swap space ?
08:13.07l^rchkrnjeanmi_: ntop
08:13.09jm_Coke: why do you need to use a calendar then ? :)
08:13.14jeanmi_l^rchkrn thanks
08:13.24jm_jeanmi_: there are some on freshmeat
08:13.31endorjm_: not yet.. thought it'd be enough since it was with the last kernel i used ;)
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08:13.57HumbeI'm compiling project for packaging using 'make install DESTDIR=../tmp', project installs a lot of small shared libraries, and then wants to build a combined library, but then it doesn't find the smaller libraries already installed, cuz it seems to ignore DESTDIR.. Where can I fix this?
08:14.11jm_endor: add one swapfile to test it
08:14.13Cokejm_: _I_ don't need to use it. but the pesky sales people book me on meetings using outlook. turns out outlook exports ical stuff so all I need is an ical calendar to check my appointments. unfortunately, the ones that exist for Mozilla and Evolution are HUGE and very segfaulty.
08:14.41jeanmi_l^rchkrn actually ntop seems more like a tool to generate logs a on a web browser
08:14.44l^rchkrnHumbe: and --prefix?
08:14.46jm_Coke: but how does that help you if you don't know what the time is ? *g*
08:14.46tubhow can I make so that ssh asks which username to log on to another system, it user the current user name by default
08:14.47Flimzyspiffy... I found a web-based kazaa client I can use instead of worrying about X forwarding
08:14.55Flimzynow to see if it works worth a crap
08:15.00jm_tub: man ssh
08:15.00Rev_Jamestub.... ssh -l name server
08:15.10Rev_Jamestub.... or ssh sumtin@sumwhere
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08:15.11l^rchkrnjeanmi_: 8-¦ Dunno... See freahmeat then.
08:15.12SlayerXPtub: "ssh user@server"
08:15.14Humbel^rchkrn: It uses prefix=/usr .. And thus it tries to find installed libraries in /usr/lib instead of in DESTDIR/lib
08:15.16jeanmi_l^rchkrn it has a webserver in it that can be browsed with a client, I was more looking for something like top itself, in command line
08:15.53Cokejm_: naturally, my nifty calendar will have a cron plug-in that will popup an xmessage.
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08:16.18Rev_Jamesanyone having major issues with firefox that entered tree today??
08:16.26l^rchkrnFlimzy: Web-based Kazaa? Where?
08:16.44Saw^Is there any easy way to transform time in seconds to weeks, days, hours, minutes and seconds?
08:16.50jm_Coke: heh, that's why I sue tkremind
08:16.56endorjm_: swap file?
08:17.02Flimzyl^rchkrn: it's called mldonkey.  Found it on freshmeat.
08:17.07Rev_JamesSaw^.... units
08:17.10Flimzyl^rchkrn: it supports Kazaa and several other protocols, too, apparantly.
08:17.16l^rchkrnFlimzy: Oh.
08:17.16jm_endor: yes, create a 50MB file, mkswap it, run swapon on it, et voila
08:17.19Flimzyl^rchkrn: just now tryin to figure out how it works
08:17.22tubSlayerXP: yes, but I need to have it to asked, like #!/bin/bash ask question > $USER > ssh -l $USER remote.host
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08:17.27l^rchkrnFlimzy: I tought its a web gateway...
08:17.41Saw^Rev_James: ... ?
08:17.46Cokejm_: yeah, but can it subscribe from remote calendars? :)
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08:17.59Flimzyl^rchkrn: ?
08:18.07l^rchkrnFlimzy: ?
08:18.11Flimzyl^rchkrn: How would a kazaa web gateway differ from a kazaa web client?
08:18.12mandi?
08:18.13Rev_JamesSaw^... seconds to weeks, days, hours, whatever.... program called units
08:18.16jm_Coke: nope, but luckily we don't rely on exchange shit for that (yet, anyway)
08:18.21l^rchkrnFlimzy: Never mind...
08:18.32zignigCoke: what format calendars  ?
08:18.48Cokejm_: it's not exchange, I would never implement something using a non-free standard.
08:18.58tubbecause I have an ssh accout which is used by many users to connect to the remote.machine but I don't want allow them to log in
08:19.02Cokezignig: ical
08:19.06Cokezignig: and vcal
08:19.39zignigCoke: nice , are you going to publish it , or just brag :P
08:19.40l^rchkrnFlimzy: I toughts it a web gateway for Kazaa, like freenet.thing.net for Freenet...
08:19.52l^rchkrn(Err... word order...)
08:20.05Cokezignig: as soon as I have the command line tool done I'm going to put it on savannah.
08:20.08Flimzyl^rchkrn: I guess I still don't understand... but I probably don't need to :)
08:20.14mandil^rchkrn, no. mldonkey has a web-based GUI just like the GTK GUI for it.
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08:20.18Saw^Rev_James: thanks, I'll try that
08:20.18Cokezignig: but it will still lack ical/vcal import/export at that time.
08:20.26l^rchkrnmandi: Yea i see. That sux
08:20.36l^rchkrnmandi: :-D
08:20.58Cokezignig: also, as it is today, the calendar has no logic. that is, a booked date is a booked date. I need to have support for the various ical types like calculacted dates, repetitions, etc.
08:21.11Rev_JamesSo anyone... problems with mozilla-firefox... worked fine before update.... now i can't type anything... as soon as i hit a key... it freezes... I can click all i want, but don
08:21.22Rev_James't have enough bookmarks for that to work good
08:21.46l^rchkrnRev_James: Do you have a restrictive firewall?
08:21.48zignigCoke: good , luck , calendars is one of the things missing.
08:21.53l^rchkrnRev_James: For loopback traffic?
08:22.02mandiRev_James, check your loopback interface
08:22.11zignigCoke: mozilla had a clendar plugin , last time I checked it was still buggy.
08:22.12Rev_Jamesl^rchkrn: no firewall for loopbak
08:22.16l^rchkrnRev_James: I had the same problem long ago, but it got flamed in the BTS...
08:22.24l^rchkrnRev_James: But dunno then...
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08:23.03Cokezignig: I know, that's why I want to do it. also, making it text based might atract people like me who don't like space consuming GUIs.
08:23.18Rev_Jamesl^rchkrn: know any sources that have 0.8-8 still?  cause that worked
08:23.23zignigCoke: indeed.
08:23.27Cokezignig: do you wish to help?
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08:23.53l^rchkrnRev_James: :-\ ftp.debian.org may still have it
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08:23.59l^rchkrnRev_James: Just download manually
08:24.08Rev_Jamesl^rchkrn: nope it doesn't
08:24.11l^rchkrnRev_James: And install with dpkg -i --force-downgrade
08:24.15l^rchkrnOh.
08:24.21zignigCoke: nope , busy on my own projects at the moment. :)
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08:24.43Cokezignig: right. ok. good luck with that. :)
08:24.43l^rchkrnRev_James: Btw, 0.8-9 works for me...
08:25.24^MichaelCan anyone remember the url of that 'copy and paste' website, much like a huge set of faq's posted from linux channels..
08:25.24Rev_Jamesl^rchkrn: :-/... it doesn't work on 2 seperate machines here
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08:26.11SlippyHi
08:26.23l^rchkrnRev_James: 8-¦ weird
08:26.27Saw^Rev_James: can't I use that program by typing everything in one commandline? ie. I can get a date to other form with date-program by `date +form_here -d 00:00:00 01-01-1970 XXX seconds`
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08:27.14mandiRev_James, did you check your loopback interface?
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08:27.31Rev_Jamesmandi: what do you want me to check on it?
08:27.36mandithat it works
08:27.39jm_Coke: well what you get is not exchange crap, but they use it internally
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08:28.02endorhaha, this is very, very cool :)
08:28.07endorjm_: thanks a lot.
08:28.10Rev_Jamesmandi: I can ping it
08:28.12jm_endor: no worries
08:28.38jm_Saw^: what do you want to do ?
08:28.46ghostiethis might be a none debian question.. anyhow.. im running debian (sid) on a sparc machine.. and everything works great except "centericq" that keeps to stop working.. and I have to kill -9 pid..
08:28.49mandiRev_James, what about your /etc/hosts and resolv.conf?
08:28.58ghostieanyone had a problem with that and knows a sollution?
08:29.12jm_ghostie: check BTS
08:29.26Saw^jm_: convert seconds to weeks, days, hours, minutes and seconds
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08:29.39Saw^jm_: if there is no program for that, I think I have to do it myself =/
08:29.47Cokejm_: who cares? as long as I get the correct format to my machine I'm happy with it.
08:29.48SlippyI'm trying to install Debian on my server... But when I try to configure my network it fails at dhcp! My nic is a realtek 8139
08:29.48Rev_Jamesmandi: they look ok?
08:30.01ghostiejm_: BTS?
08:30.20Rev_Jamesmandi: 127.0.0.1 hostname localhost is in hosts.... the nameservers in resolv
08:30.26Cokejm_: the thing is, ical could replace the exchange calendar altogether. and it's all based on HTTP, FTP, WebDAV and iCal, all free and open standards. :)
08:30.30mandiRev_James, well i'm out of ideas then
08:30.40SlippyAnyone able to help me?
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08:31.02CokeSlippy: have you loaded the driver for it?
08:31.11SlippyYes I have
08:31.22l^rchkrnAnyone knows a cool gopher URL? I just wanna test out Firefox's neat gopher capabilities...
08:31.25CokeSlippy: and what does ifconfig say about eth0 ?
08:31.31Flimzyl^rchkrn: quux.org
08:31.39Flimzyl^rchkrn: gopherproject.org
08:31.42l^rchkrnFlimzy: Thanks :-D
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08:31.53Flimzyl^rchkrn: gopher://gopherproject.org/, that is :)
08:32.00Flimzybrb
08:32.17teleyinexits safe to upgrade in SID with the bug of apt?
08:32.34teleyinexcause i dont undestand very well the bug
08:32.35CokeSlippy: also, check your syslog for DHCP entries.
08:33.08jm_Saw^: ahh some divisons
08:33.11l^rchkrnteleyinex: But of apt?
08:33.14jm_ghostie: did you read the topic ?
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08:33.21Slippyalright - I'll do that.... Just a sec
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08:33.31zimnyxdid you find such problem with any gnome application: http://zimnyx.no-ip.info/1.png . i use unstable. any font tips? this problem occours only with one application. gnome-font-settings doesnt affect it.. any tips ?
08:33.39jm_Coke: I know, just like no-one would need to use their customized IMAP protocol ...
08:33.52ghostieoh okay
08:33.54ghostiemissed it
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08:34.13teleyinexl^rchkrn, yes the bug number is: 248258
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08:34.23Rev_Jameszimnyx: i had that problem with icewm... but i don't use gnome
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08:35.07zimnyxRev_James: yesturday one guy told me that he had tha same problem under KDE !!
08:35.16zimnyxRev_James: did you solve it ?
08:35.17Cokejm_: calendar sharing in outlook/exchange today is done through email. when an outlook client receives an email with the ical attachment it puts it in the local calendar. it's like all of microsofts produce: utter crap.
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08:36.17Rev_Jameszimnyx: well... I don't know if i'd call it solve :)... It was the last font that had installed on a machine (which happend to be greek)... just uninstalled it
08:36.42zimnyxRev_James: the same in my case..
08:36.47l^rchkrnteleyinex: Whoa. Frightening... I didnt know about it...
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08:37.00zimnyxRev_James: i'll ask on gnome.
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08:37.19Rev_JamesCoke: you know alot about calendar programs?  I know someone with some odd needs
08:37.24Rev_Jameszimnyx: good luck
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08:37.38streunerRev_James: sid?
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08:38.05Rev_Jamesstreuner: that's what I'm running
08:38.33teleyinexok
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08:38.44siashello
08:38.44teleyinexi think it must  be the error at topic
08:39.10Rev_Jamesbrb
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08:39.27siasi have an error on boot who can help me?
08:39.51SlayerXPsias: no-one, unless you explain the problem clearly and concisely.
08:40.12streunerwhats the factoid for bob2's font guide?
08:40.21nonix4Saw^: and have you tried units yet?
08:40.23streunersias: LILO?
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08:40.42petemcstreuner: font guide
08:40.48streunerpetemc: :-)
08:40.51streunerthanks
08:40.55petemc:)
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08:41.03petemcforest for the trees
08:41.04siasi try ton install raid 1 on debian, when i reboot, the system stop here : starting system log daemon : syslogd
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08:41.45SlayerXPsias: what do you mean by "install raid 1"?
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08:44.21jm_Coke: I forgot to ask, does ical allow for things like periodic events, last working day in a month, move the date forwards/backwards to avoid weekends/holidays/vacations ?
08:44.23siasconfigure
08:44.36siasafter do mkraid /dev/md0 ...
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08:45.24HumbeAny idea when sarge will become frozen and later released?
08:45.38SlayerXPHumbe: before may 26th 2056
08:45.38simonrvnsias: you have to wait for it to build the raid array first...
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08:45.55Rev_JamesSlayerXP: good call :)
08:46.03ixi-deb04Is there a Debia package with Linux Doc DTD and tools to transform it into HTML? Where to get it? (Link on tldp.org to sgmltools.org seems dead)
08:46.11ixi-deb04s/Debia/Debian
08:46.14simonrvnyes
08:46.27jm_ixi-deb04: read the latest DWN announcement
08:46.30simonrvnlinuxdoc stuff, and other stuff
08:46.54jm_<PROTECTED>
08:47.12CAiROhmm, since a few kernel version, gkrellm doesn't report hd io data for the harddrives that are connected to my pci ide raid controller
08:47.19CAiROwhat could be the reason for that?
08:47.29oppi want to share with the world
08:47.37oppi need a good fiel sharer
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08:47.42oppwhats the best??
08:47.46ToYKillAShello
08:47.48pragma_opp, rm(1)
08:47.59ixi-deb04jm_: (reading) great!
08:48.00l^rchkrnopp: Apache2
08:48.16oppApache2 is server tright?
08:48.22ixi-deb04simonrvn: yes, I've found it (I am on sid)
08:48.34l^rchkrnopp: You can share files with the world using it ;-)
08:48.41simonrvnsias: don't /msg me
08:48.41l^rchkrnopp: And its the BEST!
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08:49.32l^rchkrnopp: Or try Freenet.
08:49.35SlayerXPopp: you might want to share files, but are you sure the world is interested?
08:49.42Cokejm_: the ical specs include frequency and duration of things.
08:49.45l^rchkrnopp: [http://freenet.sf.net]
08:50.05Cokejm_: I don't know about work days, but holidays for all major countries exist on icalshare.com
08:50.07oppSlayerXP, ermm... i can only try
08:50.12oppits up to them
08:50.13opp:)
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08:50.43l^rchkrnCoke: And namedays?
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08:52.04Cokel^rchkrn: yep.
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08:52.28l^rchkrnCoke: Cool. I've been looking for that for long. Will take a look thanks.
08:52.36jm_Coke: ok, but is it able to move say periodic events before the holidays/weekends ?
08:52.50Cokejm_: for a grip on how complicated it actualy is check out http://www.softwarestudio.org/libical/UsingLibical/
08:53.10jm_although I guess that's more a job for the app that fires up the warning about the event
08:53.11Cokejm_: ability to move stuff is implemented in your calendar software, not in the ical specs.
08:53.19jm_Coke: yeah, I just realized
08:54.05Cokejm_: all in call, I'll try to implement as much of ical as possible, including frequency and duration, but for the most part the calendar software I'm making is called "Spartan Calendar" for a reason.
08:55.09Cokeall in call = all in all
08:55.12Cokehehe.
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09:02.06zimnyxi have installed x-window-system-core, and have not x-window-system. i have no xfs. how does my fonts work for now ?
09:02.15zimnyxit does work..
09:02.20jm_you don't need xfs for X to work
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09:04.52zimnyxjm_: why fonts work without font server ?
09:05.14zimnyxdo i need font server ?
09:05.40jm_zimnyx: all of them, no
09:06.14zimnyxso what is the point of xfs ?
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09:06.56jm_the point is that remote machines can get fonts from it
09:07.00zimnyxoh,. i ve read apt-cache show xfs.
09:07.08jm_and it allowed to do some things that X couldn't do back then
09:07.16zimnyxi see
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09:08.19zimnyxjm_: i'm experiencing some weird fonts lately (after apt-get upgrade sid).. http://zimnyx.no-ip.info/1.png
09:08.57jm_zimnyx: hmm tried messing with font path order ?
09:09.00Saw^<nonix4> Saw^: and have you tried units yet? <-- yeh, though it doesn't seem to be able to transform to many units (ie. days, hours, minutes, seconds), from one unit to another works fine, but from one to many doesn't afaik
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09:09.15zimnyxi check it out and this font if first font available (in alphabetical order)
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09:09.31ketamorning all
09:10.01zimnyxjm_: i'll try it..
09:10.07ricky_clarksonciao keta.
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09:14.33yangDaMancha: debian maintainers
09:15.16yangDaMancha: You should check the gpg signature on those files
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09:15.53DaManchai am trying to check the gpg sig on the md5sum file (the md5sum checks but i wanna make sure the md5's are valid)
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09:16.01DaManchawhose public key do i need?
09:16.24ricky_clarksonzimnyx: Does your problem happen regardless of which user you log in as?
09:16.28jm_zimnyx: you need misc since misc has fixed font
09:16.45IRN-Bru0772hello, i am just wondering how to set up an authentification method for sqwebmail ... any ideas or docs ?
09:17.24msIRN-Bru0772: authdaemon controls that.
09:17.26DaManchaftpmaster?
09:17.50yangOn one machine i get result for micq on another machine I dont get it, using same mirrors
09:18.03ricky_clarksonWhen I sftp stuff to the server I use, particularly the ~/public_html directory, it isn't visible, so I then have to ssh to it and chmod +r thefile - is there a better way?
09:18.10IRN-Bru0772ms: ok, i thought so, courier pop3 uses the same and works fine, but sqwebmail always drops invalid username/ password
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09:18.33simonrvnricky_clarkson: set a umask
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09:18.49ricky_clarksonsimonrvn: How do you mean?
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09:18.58msIRN-Bru0772: try compiling sqwebmail, instead of usign the debian package.
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09:19.34simonrvnricky_clarkson: as in, umask, you know, info chmod and such?
09:19.34yangDaMancha: I guess you can trust the md5sums on the debian website
09:19.40jm_ricky_clarkson: or make sure the modes are OK locally and use scp -p
09:19.40ricky_clarksonsimonrvn: chmod +r public_html?
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09:19.50CokeIs CPU and memory "quota" available in Linux? I haven't seen anything like it.
09:19.54simonrvnricky_clarkson: umask. see info chmod
09:20.08simonrvnweee, 'split
09:20.08IRN-Bru0772ms: hm, not really my favourite solution .-), does sqwebmail log to somewhere? i can´t find a hint
09:20.09oskieMy home linux server is now in NTP stratum 2. Is that bad? :)
09:20.21simonrvnoskie: no worries
09:20.50ricky_clarksonsimonrvn: You know something, that info page doesn't actually say what the umask is.
09:20.58jm_Coke: CPU time is, as for memory, there is something, but probably not very exact (and I do remember some patches from Rick van Riel about this0
09:21.26jm_Coke: man setrlimit
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09:21.42oskiesimonrvn: i've read some places on the net that they'd prefer stratum 3 or even 4 for such small servers ... but I found some servers in my city that provides NTP server in stratum 1, and there were no special requirements of use
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09:21.59Cokejm_: ok. thakns.
09:22.09oskiesimonrvn: s/i found some servers/i found some institution/
09:22.21ricky_clarkson!umask
09:22.22dpkgit has been said that umask is 'man 2 umask'
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09:22.38ricky_clarksonNo manual entry for umask in section 2
09:22.55yangArent packages supposed to be the same for every arch. ? I get micq version 0.4.10.5 for i386 and 0.4.9 for HPPA
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09:22.59simonrvnoskie: just as long as you don't query it often, it should be ok
09:23.16simonrvnoskie: might want to look into using pool.ntp.org </plug>
09:23.24IRN-Bru0772ms: found that it ist working if you set suid to sqwebmail, not that fine either, but works
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09:23.42simonrvnricky_clarkson: try just man umask
09:23.59ricky_clarksonNo manual entry for umask
09:24.05simonrvni have it here, but it's in manpages-dev i think
09:24.05ricky_clarkson.. I'd already tried that.
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09:24.13simonrvnyeh that's where
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09:24.26simonrvnUMASK(2)                                          Linux Programmer#s Manual                                          UMASK(2)
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09:24.47ricky_clarksonsimonrvn: Got it, reading.  Thanks.
09:24.47simonrvnweee
09:24.51simonrvn:)
09:24.53simonrvnricky_clarkson: not very helpful though. the info pages are more so
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09:25.07simonrvnricky_clarkson: actually, it is :)
09:25.34ricky_clarksonSo the umask is a different thing to the file permissions on the directory?
09:25.49jm_ricky_clarkson: or make sure the modes are OK locally and use scp -p
09:25.57ricky_clarksonThe umask says that new files inside the directory are created with certain permissions.
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09:26.08ricky_clarksonjm_: I heard you first time, thanks :)
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09:27.23Saw^jm_: I know something about c-programming and I think I can do that time-converting program, I just don't know how to read parameters (ie. I would have program, which would be run like "convertprogram 32425" where 32425 is amount of seconds, so how do I read that amount?)
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09:28.05jm_Saw^: from argv[1], type char *
09:28.14jm_but make sure it actually exists before reading it
09:28.27ricky_clarksonSaw^: I thought you knew something about C programming.  Dumb question if you do.
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09:28.43jm_Saw^: or use getopt()
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09:28.54jm_ahh no need to use getopt, it's too simple
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09:29.19Saw^ricky_clarkson: well I've had one course of c-programming, and that had nothing to do with linux =)
09:29.23ricky_clarksonYou check int argc to see whether it is 1, if it is, then you read argv[1]
09:29.31ricky_clarksonSaw^: argv has nothing to do with Linux, it's C.
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09:30.23ricky_clarksonlo
09:30.27Saw^ricky_clarkson: with knowledge of one course (which was a mix of c/c++ btw...) I don't know about such things =) it was more like "hello world" -stuff
09:30.30cockroachi just bought a hauppauge card with a radio tuner (cx8800) which seems to work fine - but i can't figure out how to turn the thing off - any idea, anyone?
09:30.31zimnyxjm_: i commented all font paths in XF86Config-4.. do they evem matter?
09:30.40jm_zimnyx: of course they do
09:30.46ellobo<PROTECTED>
09:30.48ricky_clarksonSaw^: That should have been in your 2nd lecture, at the latest.
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09:30.58zimnyxjm_: i don;t get it. in what way they do ?
09:30.59hettarCan anyone help me get the hotkeys stuff working ? I did a setkeycodes for the code the key sends but then hotkeys still can see it ? Am I missing something ?
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09:31.40terrmy manpath env variable is screwed up.  Can anyone tell me the default?  Interestingly enough - man still works
09:31.41Saw^ricky_clarkson: I agree... =)
09:32.01zimnyxcockroach: how to turn it off? what you mean ?
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09:32.31cockroachzimnyx: if i terminate the radio application the sound just keeps playing (and i can't get a tv picture)
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09:33.05zimnyxcockroach: cx8800 is still in development. try snapshots from http://bytesex.org/cx88
09:33.07clustyhow can I put my wireless pcmcia card in power saving mode?
09:33.26cockroachzimnyx: okay, thanks a lot!
09:33.47zimnyxcockroach: snapshots are only for newest kernel...
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09:34.44cockroachzimnyx: well, i like being a beta-tester :)
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09:35.13Phatehello
09:35.27EfaistOshi
09:35.34cockroachzimnyx: well, 2.6.6-rc2 isn't the latest! :)
09:35.46jm_zimnyx: they provide different fonts
09:36.06cafuegoNo 2.6.6-rc3 has been out for weeks and 2.6.6 had been out tonce this morning (AEST)
09:36.11zimnyxjm_: different than X defaults ?
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09:36.25jm_zimnyx: there is no such thing as default font
09:36.33PhateIs there a possible way with heartbeat to check the status of the first interface - cause how it is working for the moment it only takes over the services and IP if the heartbeat channel itself is down
09:36.33EfaistOsfor the ati 9600Xt cards does the new X server provides good driver for them ?
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09:36.42DaManchaanyone knows who signs the isos md5sum file for woody?
09:36.44zimnyxjm_: i mean default font paths
09:36.45Phatemight there be another way or tool
09:36.49yangArent packages supposed to be the same version for every arch. ? I get micq version 0.4.10.5 for i386 and 0.4.9 for HPPA
09:37.05jm_zimnyx: you're mixing things, I thought you're asking about fonts
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09:37.16zimnyxjm_: i have commented all font paths from XF86Config-4 and no changes can be seen
09:37.18CokeEfaistOs: you can read all about it on xfree86.org
09:37.24CokeEfaistOs: under documentation/drivers
09:37.32EfaistOsCoke, ok thanks
09:37.43zimnyxjm_: yep, i asking about fonts
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09:37.50jm_zimnyx: then that app is somehow requesting or getting some silly font
09:38.03jm_yang: packages.debian.org and see
09:38.03Phateanyone with some heartbeat experience??
09:38.14ricky_clarksonPhate: Boom boom.
09:38.15CokeEfaistOs: http://www.xfree86.org/4.4.0/radeon.4.html
09:38.28Phatewhooohahahah funny one
09:38.39zimnyxjm_: when first run i had normal fonts.. after reboot font changed..
09:38.52CokePhate: yeah, when I'm really drunk I can hear my heart beat.
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09:38.59cafuegoPhate: had one for years
09:39.09ricky_clarksonPhate: A phone I used to work on had a heartbeat thing, if processes didn't 'check in' every so often the phone would restart, a protection against hung processes.
09:39.14jm_zimnyx: because you have upgraded in between ?
09:39.18Cokeit goes something like "thump... thump... thump..."
09:39.29zimnyxjm_: yep, i guess
09:39.32cafuegoricky_clarkson: Was that a crash-o-rama MS smartphone?
09:39.36Phatecool - but that doesn't really solve my problem
09:39.45ricky_clarksoncafuego: crash-o-rama Panasonic shitphone.
09:39.47EfaistOsCoke, arf only 2D
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09:40.16cafuegoEfaistOs: Why needs 3D anyway
09:40.20cafuegos/y/o/
09:40.21CokeEfaistOs: yep. they haven't got the specs for the R300 (and above) chipset. you have to use a non-free ATI driver.
09:40.29Phateok - so what can I use if the first int on my box goes down and I want another one to take that IP along with the services???
09:40.48Phateon a different box that is
09:40.54nathanhgday, what options do i have for wireless cards on a 2004 powerbook g4 12" running linux? i know extreme wont work, but what third party cards fit the minipci connector and survive the apple firmware?
09:41.13Cokecafuego: I do. UT2004 does about 0.03 fps in SW mode while it does 90-150 fps using my FX5600 3D acceleration.
09:41.19cafuegonathanh: An orinoco would be fine
09:41.31zimnyxjm_: let's forget about it
09:41.33jm_zimnyx: did this app get upgraded ?
09:41.39nathanhcaf: i see orinoco does a minipci variant, but have you tried it? or is that theoretically should work?
09:41.42cafuegoCoke was added to the nvidia users ignore list
09:41.59zimnyxjm_: it;s application - nothing to do with X, and X fonts. sorry for bothering you
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09:42.14nathanhbecause i have heard rumors about incompatibilities with openfirmware
09:42.18jm_zimnyx: how do you know ?
09:42.24cafuegonathanh: Just theoretically; I've not had the chance to plug one in; i *have* plugged an orinoco pcmcia card into the airport slot on a PPC G4, and that worked fine.
09:42.26nathanh(eg, even though linux can use it, machine wont boot!)
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09:42.45Cokecafuego: extremely funny line.
09:42.54nathanhhrm, yeah ive not found anybody thats actually *done* it, thats my problem
09:43.05nathanheverybody uses macosx and extreme
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09:43.14cafuegonathanh: You could try and make a webpage with your experiences? ;-)
09:43.19nathanhcaf: :-)
09:43.28nathanhnot willing to splash out $300+ on an experiment
09:43.36zimnyxjm_: ups. now i confused.. i find font setting for that application, but it does not affect global font for that application
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09:43.48jm_zimnyx: like menus ?
09:44.06zimnyxjm_: menus and all stuff - the same font
09:44.34jm_zimnyx: that might be related to the toolkit it's using
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09:44.50cypher`non-us.devian.org down?
09:45.01cafuegodevian.org?
09:45.03jm_arkaine: /msg dpkg search
09:45.08cypher`debian sorry
09:45.12cafuegoCheck spelling and resubmit
09:45.20nathanhark: libc6-dev
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09:45.32cypher`non-us.dedian.org down?
09:45.33arkainethanks nathanh!
09:45.35cypher`non-us.debian.org down?
09:45.39cypher`lol
09:45.42DaManchaanyone know who signed the md5sum on http://ftp.au.debian.org/pub/debian-cd/images/woody/i386/
09:45.45cafuegoCoke: seems up
09:45.59Cokecafuego: ?
09:46.00jm_DaMancha: did you check debian-cd mailing list ?
09:46.02cafuegoDaMancha: Whomever's gpg key it says it is?
09:46.21zimnyxjm_: i use gnome. when i removed all gnome conig and the application config, then run the application - fonts were fine..
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09:46.41DaManchacafuego, its doesn't say in the sig, the sig just has a fingerprint
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09:46.56DaManchajm, didn't where do i see a web version of the list?
09:47.01cafuegoDaMancha: So fetch it from  akeyserver
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09:47.26jm_DaMancha: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify
09:47.31jm_RTFM
09:47.46cafuegoDaMancha: Philip Hands <phil@hands.com>
09:47.57asfouri need some help can any help me please
09:48.09cafuegogpg: Signature made Sat 06 Dec 2003 08:32:11 EST using DSA key ID DD9B9910 \ gpg: Good signature from "Philip Hands <phil@hands.com>:
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09:48.14asfourin private
09:48.17asfourplease
09:48.30nkuttler!msg me
09:48.30dpkgNobody is going to /msg you.
09:48.36debianLOL
09:48.36SlayerXPasfour: okay, I charge £95 per hour for private consultancy.
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09:48.45DaManchaOK, that fingerprint is the same, so i will get Philip Hands, thanks
09:48.51cafuegoasfour: I can do it for $165/hour
09:48.51asfour:)
09:48.59debianasfour: I only charge $90. BARGAIN!
09:49.04cafuegoDaMancha: Of course it's the same, I just fetched it.
09:49.09asfourok ill do it for free
09:49.12nathanhi'll do it for tree-fiddy
09:49.27nathanhunless you're the loch ness monster...
09:49.28DaManchacafuego, okay then.  are you sure you have hand's key though?
09:49.45nathanhcaf: or the best bullshitter
09:49.45asfourok stop kiiding
09:49.50cafuegoDaMancha: I just got it off the keyserver! *kick*
09:49.52asfourwho can help me
09:49.57asfour??
09:50.11Cokeasfour: you got a lot of offers I suggest you accept one or do what apt is about to tell you
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09:50.15nathanhi was kiiding but then i got better tyres
09:50.18Coke~tell asfour about ask
09:50.19debian!tell asfour about ask
09:50.20cafuegomaybe he meant skiiding (ski-skydiving)
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09:50.36asfouri ment kiding
09:50.41l^rchkrnlol
09:50.43nathanhgiggle
09:50.46l^rchkrnThis is sick!
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09:50.47debianYou ment it?
09:50.49cafuego!ditch kiding
09:50.50l^rchkrnLOL
09:50.52cafuego!dict kiding
09:50.55dpkgcould not find definition for kiding
09:50.55cafuegoblargh
09:51.08Cokecafuego: you want to ditch a bogus word?
09:51.14nathanhasfour, just ask the question
09:51.16oobe!dict fuck life
09:51.19dpkgcould not find definition for fuck life
09:51.30Cokeasfour: did you read the private message that apt sent you?
09:51.43cafuegoasfour: if you have a question, just ask it in the channel.
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09:51.54oobe!dict life sucks
09:51.56dpkgcould not find definition for life sucks
09:52.07asfourok i have a problem with my vserver
09:52.12cafuegoasfour: it can't possibly be more embarassing then sgeigerbot.
09:52.13l^rchkrnoobe: :-( Whats wrong? Life is fun!
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09:52.31oobelol somtimes
09:52.33debianl^rchkrn: when?
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09:52.40cafuegol^rchkrn: he's a goth "wanna go home and kill myself, wanna go home and kill myself"
09:52.42asfouri have no mail server running yet
09:52.43l^rchkrndebian: Everytime.
09:52.46DaManchai must have an old key for philip hands (http://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/debian-keyring.tar.gz)
09:52.56Penixhah
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09:52.59DaManchaon that keyring philip hands does not have this particular signature
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09:53.19cafuegoDaMancha: Better check it hasn't been revoked them.
09:53.19asfourand i cant install any mail server no sendmail
09:53.22asfourno qmail
09:53.30cafuegoasfour: 'postfix'
09:53.30nathanhwhats the question?
09:53.31asfourand no exim
09:53.39asfourpostfix too
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09:54.03asfouri thank that i have remouved them
09:54.08l^rchkrnasfour: :-D
09:54.11cafuegoWell, they're all in debian, so that's not the problem. Run 'apt-setup',a dd some sources and install the MTA of your choice.
09:54.16l^rchkrnAnd again!
09:54.17debianasfour: reinstall them then?
09:54.18asfouri have remouved the postfix
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09:54.33asfourto install sendmail and then oops
09:54.37l^rchkrnoobe: Just read and laugh.
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09:54.44asfouri have tryed
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09:55.04cafuegotried what?
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09:55.08asfourevery time it give many worning and the install fiels
09:55.10oobel^rchkrn ok lol
09:55.17cafuegoWhat sort of warning?
09:55.20l^rchkrn:-\
09:55.32asfourtrying to reainstall postfix and the other server
09:55.33nathanhthe install fails? are you using apt?
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09:55.47asfourdependencied erroer
09:55.54cafuegoasfour: You can only install *one* of them
09:55.58DaManchacafuego, what keyserver do you use?
09:56.05asfourya i kno w
09:56.08cafuegoDaMancha: hkp://subkeys.net
09:56.10nathanhi reckon asfour is drunk
09:56.13jm_DaMancha: ffs, http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify
09:56.14nathanhhe's typing like i type when i'm drunk
09:56.18cafuegoDaMancha: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net
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09:56.29debiannathanh: I lost the incentive to pick on it already
09:56.30l^rchkrnnathanh: heh yea
09:56.31asfouri heve used apt amd dpkg
09:56.35cafuegonathanh: he's german, subtle difference
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09:56.44nathanhoh right, german... well... my sympathies
09:56.51cafuegoasfour: 'apt-get install postfix' - What does that do?
09:56.53DaManchai just used keysever.pgp.com and the key still does not have the right sig
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09:57.04asfourone moment plis
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09:57.25nu_metallhi all
09:57.39l^rchkrnnu_metall: rave!
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09:57.59l^rchkrnnu_metall: techno!
09:58.00nathanhboo numetal... young upstart music genre :-(
09:58.06asfourok it give this
09:58.12asfourReading Package Lists... Done
09:58.12asfourBuilding Dependency Tree... Done
09:58.12asfourYou might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
09:58.12asfourSorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
09:58.12asfour<PROTECTED>
09:58.12asfour<PROTECTED>
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09:58.14l^rchkrnnu_metall: swing!
09:58.17l^rchkrnlol
09:58.31l^rchkrnasfour: Good job!
09:58.32cafuegodeary deary me, what a mess
09:58.32JimButtonmy favorite music genre at the moment is experimental jiggy death metal
09:58.37nathanhthats a hair trigger flood detector... only 8 lines
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09:58.52mechan0rwhat's the difference between page cache vs mapped memory apropos post_halloween2.6.txt
09:58.54debianasfour: welcome back
09:58.56asfouri dont ment flood
09:58.58nu_metallnathanh: you can still call it good old crossover
09:59.03cafuegoasfour: Run 'apt-get update; apt-get -f install'
09:59.08nathanhnu_metall, i prefer to call it shit :-)
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09:59.31fallengreetings. is there any chance to run sarge install with 2.6.3 kernel?
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09:59.40nathanhbut i kid... i like perfect circle, and i heard somebody on the radio call them nu-metal <g>
09:59.44JimButtony'all should listen to cuti sadda's kickass CD "pentagrams all up in my bling bling"...
09:59.53jm_fallen: beta 4 has experimental support for 2.6
09:59.57JimButtonnu-metal sucks :)
10:00.02cafuegoJimButton: That's a stuffass cd. not a kickass one
10:00.10asfourso id give me this errr
10:00.14asfourReading Package Lists... Done
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10:00.20fallenjm_: where i can find ISO?
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10:00.22l^rchkrnasfour: No!
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10:00.25asfourBuilding Dependency Tree... Done
10:00.33asfourYou might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
10:00.33asfourSorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
10:00.34l^rchkrnasfour: We've seen it already
10:00.35JimButtoncafuego: heh
10:00.39jm_fallen: google will tell you
10:00.42nu_metallanyway, music is pernsonal favor. i got some sirious problems with debian
10:00.47asfourah ok good
10:00.49asfourso..
10:00.50JimButtoncafuego: the guy who did this must be totally weird
10:00.56l^rchkrnnu_metall: What differentiates nu metal from old?
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10:01.00nathanhasfour, do the apt-get -f install
10:01.09asfourthe same things
10:01.10mechan0rname anu-metal band?
10:01.11JimButtonnu_metall: tell it to us, baby
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10:01.22l^rchkrnasfour: Install qmail OR postfix. Not both.
10:01.23nu_metallinit tells me that no more processes to do and i cannot login. any idea what's wrong and how to fix it?
10:01.35cafuegol^rchkrn: Looks like has has half of both
10:01.43nathanhnu_metall, at the lilo prompt, linux init=/bin/bash
10:01.44fallenjm_: maybe You know how to isntall sarge on SATA disk
10:01.45l^rchkrncafuego: :-D
10:01.46JimButtonl^rchkrn: nu metal is new, old metal is old
10:01.47asfouri know but no one of them want to instal
10:01.55asfouror to unstall
10:01.56l^rchkrnJimButton: 8-?
10:01.58jm_fallen: again, sarge installer supports SATA
10:02.00cafuegoand dpkg is probably running around with its pants on fire going 'arrrgh conflict!@"
10:02.02nathanhnu_metall, you'll get a root shell, nothing mounted, but you'll be able to work on /etc/inittab
10:02.12JimButtonl^rchkrn: well, motorhead is old metal, korn is numetal :)
10:02.23nathanhthe ace of spades... the ace of spades
10:02.29l^rchkrnJimButton: And Motörhead is better.
10:02.31JimButtonyeah, motorhead rocks
10:02.32asfourther is many conflict problem
10:02.37fallenjm_: nope. i have fasttrack 376 and sarge cant find any disk
10:02.39l^rchkrn:-)
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10:02.47mechan0rkorn is mudmetal
10:02.54l^rchkrnJimButton: I never heard it :-) But the albumcovers rock...
10:02.55nathanhasfour, apt-get -f install
10:02.58nu_metallnathanh: or metallica, iron maiden, or ac dc ( in parts ). i listem them to since i'm a small boy
10:03.01l^rchkrnkorn is pop
10:03.07cafuegoHmmm, fasttrack, the reason promise engineers need to be shot
10:03.11asfourthe same error
10:03.17nathanhasfour, if that no work, you'll have to install packages forcefully with dpkg --force-all -i foo.deb
10:03.30l^rchkrnnu_metall: Do you like electronic music?
10:03.33mechan0rit's the same inoffensive shit over and over
10:03.37simonrvnyou almost never have to use --force-all
10:03.39nathanhnu_metall, grr... metallica does not belong in that list
10:03.57asfourcan it work??
10:03.59nu_metalll^rchkrn: sometimes. steve mason is my fav.
10:04.21fallenwell i have damn combination fasttrack SATA and nforce NIC
10:04.21l^rchkrn?
10:04.21mechan0rnu-metallica
10:04.21nu_metallnathanh: here in germany they do and they are great!
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10:04.21DaManchacafuego, okay i had the wrong key for him.  now its all in the clear.  thanks again.
10:04.21l^rchkrnnu_metall: Dunno Steve Mason sorry... What genre?
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10:04.38cafuegofallen: Congratulations on great hardware!
10:04.44eisenstehi
10:04.49nu_metalll^rchkrn: he has a radio show every friday at bfbs ( british forces radio )
10:04.54eisenstei have little problem
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10:05.01fallencafuego: thank you
10:05.08eisenstehow save program on flopy?
10:05.15nu_metalll^rchkrn: kind of house and trance
10:05.20nathanheisenste, mount /dev/fd0 /mnt ; cp program /mnt ; umount /mnt
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10:05.27cafuegofallen was added to the nvidia users ignore list
10:05.33JimButtonthe only radio show on BFBS which was worth listening was john peel, at least back in the old days
10:05.38DaManchacafuego, who can verify philip hands key?
10:05.39eisenstei try
10:05.42l^rchkrnnu_metall: 8-¦ Those dont go well together.
10:05.52eisenstetxn nathanh
10:05.55asfourok ill come back in minute
10:05.56asfourok
10:05.58fallencafuego: ahaha why?
10:06.11nathanhcaf: hang on, you're aussie?
10:06.13cafuegoDaMancha: all the signing keys on his one - there appear to be about 50 of them.
10:06.19l^rchkrnnu_metall: But cool. Diversity is important.
10:06.19cafuegonathanh: no
10:06.21nathanhor was this one of angus's foreign resotr houses
10:06.26JimButtonnathanh: he lives ther
10:06.27JimButtone
10:06.37cafuegonathanh: one of his houses in holland
10:06.41nathanhahh ok
10:06.47JimButtoni thought angus young was a brit
10:06.55cafuegowhen his neighbours were housesitting on new year's
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10:07.06nathanhhe was doing this brilliant interview on the guitar show (late night telly)
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10:07.14nathanhand he was saying the whole hunched over leaping thing
10:07.19gahanelo
10:07.20nathanhwas because the guitar was too big for him
10:07.25nathanhand he's a little bloke
10:07.39nathanhmade me laugh
10:07.43cafuegonathanh: did he say why he always looks like he's just sniffed a litre of glue?
10:07.54nathanhprobably because he sniffs a litre of glue before every interview
10:08.00cafuego<heh>
10:08.14JimButtoncafuego: maybe because he always sniffs liters of glue?
10:08.14nu_metalll^rchkrn: what about good old 80's stuff like petshop boys or depeche mode? they did electronix very well. or kraftwerk?
10:08.14JimButtonnathanh: *g*
10:08.14nathanhwoo... depeche mode
10:08.15cafuegoOn that note I'll go and organise dinner
10:08.18nathanhho-hum kraftwerk
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10:08.21eisenstei cant find thix location :(
10:08.23nathanhtangerine dream was better!
10:08.33nathanheis: /dev/fd0 or /mnt you cant find?
10:08.35l^rchkrnnu_metall: Kraftwerk? Thats pretty low quality.
10:08.38eonngreetz all I have just been discussing redhat v's debian with a couple of friends, can any long time users tell me why they think debian is the package to go for...the  comments that have been made so far suggest that debian is a little slow with the updates?
10:08.49jm_eonn: /msg dpkg why debian
10:08.49JimButtoncafuego: oh, and there are some good dutch bands, too, i liked the ex, willem breuker, urban dance squad and such...
10:08.50l^rchkrnnu_metall: I preref ELP or Tangerine Dream from the old ones.
10:08.52nathanheonn: these days, to be honest, fedora core is pretty sweet
10:09.00nathanheonn: i still use debian but i cant justify it anymore
10:09.08eonnnathanh: lol
10:09.17JimButtonl^rchkrn: don't talk like that about kraftwerk, you ignorant fool :)
10:09.21eonnnathanh: lol
10:09.25nu_metalll^rchkrn: but kraftwerk invented more or less the elektronic music
10:09.28eonnnathanh: how long have you been using debian?
10:09.33nathanhhrm... 1998?
10:09.35nathanhmaybe 1999
10:09.38nathanhi was a redhat boy since 3.0.3
10:09.40nu_metalland they live about 10 km from me :)
10:09.42nathanhand a slackware boy before that
10:09.45nathanhand an sls boy befoer that
10:09.51eisenstein /mnt  i have auto;bootfloppy;hda5;hda7;kadu;miniroot;test
10:09.58JimButtonwell, not exactly music
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10:10.12JimButtonbut this guy invented his own instrument, like an analog synthesizer
10:10.22eonnnathanh: so what do you think the attraction is to debian?
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10:10.40nu_metallok, i'll be back in a few minutes. have to repair debian
10:10.43nathanheonn: originally, i was attracted by the attention to detail, the well integrated packaging, and apt of course
10:10.44jingoapt
10:10.45InKyHi how can I find out more information about an XFree86-4 error: (EE) No Screens found
10:10.58nathanheonn: but these days, even fedora core has apt, and the packages on fedora dont suck like redhat used to... so its a harder call now
10:11.04Penix!+no screens found
10:11.13nathanheonn: and fedora really has its act together on the desktop experience... moreso than debian
10:11.41eonnnathanh: well its nice to heard brutal honesty for a change
10:11.50nathanheis: mkdir /mnt/floppy ; mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy ; cp program /mnt/floppy ; umount /mnt/floppy
10:11.59InKy!+no screens found
10:12.04InKythat some sort of blootbot command?
10:12.05InKyno :)
10:12.07jm_!+noscreensfound
10:12.07dpkgrumour has it, noscreensfound is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question  If that doesn't work, read /var/log/XFree86.* and see what's wrong.  No, really.  READ it.  I mean it.  Really read it.
10:12.09jm_InKy ^^^^^^
10:12.13InKy!+noscreensfound
10:12.14InKyty =)
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10:12.29eisensteso  - how open flopy?
10:12.33jm_don't address the bots in public - we did it for a reason, but you can safely use /msg (without !)
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10:12.45InKyok ty jm :)
10:13.05SlayerXPeisenste: use a sharp knife.
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10:13.09eonnnathanh: so what market or niech does debian attemp to fill...who are its primary users...purists??
10:13.17asfourhello
10:13.18nathanhno idea, eonn
10:13.22asfourim here again
10:13.29InKyk: no devices detected now
10:13.33eisenstewhot is sharp knife?
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10:13.44asfourhow to use force exactly to rmove foo.deb
10:13.50eisenstehow open program on flopy?
10:13.52jm_InKy: did you use the right driver ?
10:13.53eisenste:)
10:13.59nathanhsometimes i wonder why anybody uses linux... i know i do, but even i have trouble explaining why
10:14.03InKynv for geforce 4 go?
10:14.08eisensteyes
10:14.11nathanhespecially when i had macosx in front of me and formatted the disk to install linux
10:14.12jm_InKy: depends on your version of X
10:14.13nathanhpeople think im nuts
10:14.20eisenstei format flopy disk
10:14.28InKy4.1.0.1
10:14.29knoppixif so im nuts also
10:14.36nathanhknoppix rules!
10:14.37l^rchkrneisenste: floppy is double p
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10:14.44jm_InKy: that's too old
10:14.45velenoanyone tried to apply the kernel patch found here: http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/5/3/168 to a clean 2.6.5 successfully? i got:  Hunk #2 FAILED at 323.
10:14.46asfouraloo please
10:14.54InKyjm_ dist upgrade time? =)
10:15.11l^rchkrnasfour: dpkg -P qmail
10:15.18knoppixyes it does
10:15.23jm_InKy: well either that, or install a backport from backports.org or use nvidia's driver
10:15.25l^rchkrnasfour: dpkg -P postfix
10:15.36nathanhi think debian should relax the policy on installers
10:15.37InKyok jm_ thanks again
10:15.38l^rchkrnasfour: apt-get install exim4
10:15.45nathanhbecause the installer is really held back by the whole "must support all platforms" deal
10:15.54nathanhknoppix installer on debian would rock
10:16.07knoppixha
10:16.19nathanhesp seeing as knoppix essentially is debian
10:16.30Shadur~knoppix
10:16.32aptshadur, Knoppix != Debian, and #debian != #knoppix.  /join #knoppix if you run Knoppix and have questions
10:16.32knoppixwith a gui
10:16.33SlayerXPnathanh: I still haven't found out what's wrong with the current installer.
10:16.42SlayerXPif someone can point it out, I'll fix it.
10:16.47l^rchkrnknoppix: GUI installer? No!
10:16.50knoppixi should do that
10:16.51nathanhno mouse!
10:16.54eisenstewrirt cant format :(
10:16.57eisenste<PROTECTED>
10:17.06SlayerXPnathanh: why would that be a requirements for an installer?
10:17.11asfour<PROTECTED>
10:17.13nathanhslayer: not a requirement
10:17.18nathanhbut not everything should be about requirements
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10:17.22nathanhsome things should just be about being cool
10:17.28nu_metallre
10:17.30asfourand how to do with force
10:17.39SlayerXPnathanh: then debian is not for you.  try gentoo, that's allegedly cool.
10:17.47nathanhdude, debian for the past 5 years (maybe 6)
10:17.50nathanhim not using fricking debian
10:17.52nathanherr
10:17.56nathanhim not using fricking gentoo
10:18.05nu_metallok, i'm now in using knoppix. what now? looks all normal in /etc/inittab
10:18.10nathanhbloody compile freaks... think they're learning by watching compiler messages
10:18.11nathanhcrazy
10:18.17l^rchkrnnathanh: :-D
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10:18.32l^rchkrn!gentoo
10:18.33dpkghmm... gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc and Sparc64 systems. It rules all the inferior distributions (Sadly, not all other distributions are inferior ;). Kinda of akin to BSD according to chouimat, or something you don't want to administer more than 2 of, or a nice file browser,  or see also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ and http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm
10:18.34SlayerXPnathanh: my theory is that gentoo users simply have nothing better to do with their computers.
10:18.40nathanhyeah, thats my theory too
10:19.01asfourso how to use with force pleasse
10:19.11nathanhbut debian *should* be about cool
10:19.17nathanhi dont like this "if you want cool, dont use debian" thing
10:19.19knoppix_i think alot of ppl are looking to do MORE w. thier computers
10:19.19nathanhdebian used to be cool
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10:20.08eisenste??
10:20.15l^rchkrnMy theory is: Debian is outdated, Gentoo is slow. So compiling the cutting-edge stuff for yourself in Gentoo takes about the same time as waiting for it to get into Debian.
10:20.17knoppix_join #knoppix
10:20.31knoppix_^^haha
10:20.35l^rchkrn/join #knoppix
10:20.57nathanheis: just a crazy question, what are you doing?
10:21.01eonnanyone here found a work around for the constant issues that plague KVM devices
10:21.05asfouraloooooo
10:21.11asfourreplay me
10:21.14SlayerXPeonn: which issues would those be?
10:21.16jm_eonn: what issues are they ?
10:21.19l^rchkrnasfour: replay?
10:21.26l^rchkrnasfour: man dpkg
10:21.41SlayerXPeonn: would that be the issues where you buy really cheap crap hardware and expect it to work properly?
10:21.44eisenstehov save file on flopy disk end how open this file?
10:21.48asfourhow to use force to remove  foo.deb
10:22.06l^rchkrnasfour: dpkg --force-all will do it. but use with care!
10:22.14nathanhvery very careful
10:22.16l^rchkrnasfour: dpkg --force-all -P foo
10:22.19nathanhyou can hose your system
10:22.19asfourhow???
10:22.46nathanhim very impressed with the udev/hotplug stuff thats in debian lately
10:22.50l^rchkrnasfour: dpkg --force-all -P qmail postfix
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10:23.10nathanhi cant believe how well it works
10:23.11asfourok let say that i woant to remove broken installatins and the not complete on e
10:23.29eisenstehov save file on flopy disk end how open this file? help
10:23.42l^rchkrnasfour: dpkg -C prints whats incompletely installed...
10:23.42ricky_clarksoneisenste: man mount
10:23.59l^rchkrnnathanh: irony?
10:24.00asfourone minute
10:24.09nathanhl^rchkrn, ? no... it really does work well
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10:24.12l^rchkrnasfour: Dont paste that here.
10:24.13nathanhwell, it works well for me :-)
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10:24.38eisenstewhat?
10:24.39asfourdpkg-deb: --contents takes exactly one argument
10:24.44l^rchkrnnathanh: Yes. For me too... Really cool. But there are innumerable folks suffering from it...
10:24.48asfourhow to use it
10:24.48eonnSlayer: nah its when you meet one-eyed linux users that believe that Linux is bullet proof and ignor that the device works on everything else from windows 98 to MAC
10:24.49nathanhreally?
10:24.54asfourim newbisssssssss
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10:25.02Bockhello
10:25.03eisenstehow save file on flopy disk end how open this file? help
10:25.05knoppix_even win95
10:25.16nathanheis: dude, mount
10:25.19l^rchkrnasfour: big C
10:25.21Bocki have a question..
10:25.22Bockshould i switch from SID to sarge to download gnome 2.6 and then get back  to SID ?
10:25.23nathanheis: three people have given you instructions
10:25.23l^rchkrnasfour: dpkg -C
10:25.25l^rchkrnnot -c
10:25.26l^rchkrn-C
10:25.47zeebleBock what? gnome 2.6 is in experimental. not in sarge/sid
10:25.49zeebleor is it?
10:25.51nathanhbock: dont switch, just add both apt lines to sources... then apt-get -t experimental install gnome
10:25.53eisenste?
10:26.08Bocknathanh i tried it.. but i think it didnt work..
10:26.09asfourdot-forward          reads sendmail's .forward files under qmail.
10:26.16asfourucspi-unix           UNIX-domain socket client-server command-line tools
10:26.17nathanhbock: why do you think that
10:26.20l^rchkrnasfour: No.
10:26.21zeebleBock how come it did'nt work? i did it on friday
10:26.34Bockwhat lines did you put zeeble?
10:26.37l^rchkrnasfour: Just remove those.
10:26.41asfour<PROTECTED>
10:26.48petemci wouldnt recommend experimental
10:26.54spooferHi all i'm using exim as a smarthost is it possible to see if some mails have not been forwarded?
10:26.56nathanhyeah, you have to be living brave in experimental
10:27.00l^rchkrnasfour: using dpkg --force-all -P dot-forward ucspi-unix ...
10:27.03petemcspoofer: mailq
10:27.05asfourI HAVE TRYED TO REMOVE THEM WTH DSELECT
10:27.05jm_spoofer: check your queue
10:27.12asfourBUT NO WAY
10:27.22asfourIM GONA CRAZY
10:27.28nathanhasfour, join the club!
10:27.28nathanhwoop
10:27.29l^rchkrnasfour: dpkg --force-all -P dot-forward ucspi-unix ...
10:27.30jm_asfour: stop that
10:27.46l^rchkrnasfour: And switch off da CAPSlock
10:27.49spooferpetemc: if mailq doesn't give me anyhting, my I assume that all e-mails have been sent?
10:27.53debiannathanh: Rule 1: Don't talk about THE club
10:27.53zeebleBock http://www.zeeble.net/files/sources.list
10:28.00petemcspoofer: yeah, or bounced
10:28.04spooferjm_: with mailq? or is there another possibility?
10:28.08l^rchkrndebian: THE club?
10:28.10asfourok ill try it now
10:28.14spooferpetemc: what does bounced mean?
10:28.15debianl^rchkrn: sssh
10:28.18Bocklet me see zeeble
10:28.19eisenstei not understend how do it :(
10:28.20l^rchkrn?
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10:28.26Bockzeeble, does it work fine?..
10:28.29eisenstewrite mi priv
10:28.29jm_spoofer: man exim lists various options to list the contents of your queue
10:28.31petemcspoofer: not sent, undeliverable
10:28.38l^rchkrndebian: Quel **u*?
10:28.47eisenstehow make it
10:28.47l^rchkrneisenste: No.
10:28.58debianl!msg me
10:28.58zeebleBock works fine. look in teh screenshots section on teh samesite. have been using 2.6 from unstable for 3-4 weks or such
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10:29.03nathanheis: is it a dos floppy? if so, you can use mdir, mcopy, and so on... apt-get install
10:29.04Bockive seen it
10:29.06eisenstewhy?
10:29.06nathanheis: mtools
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10:29.18spooferpetemc: but I suppose that if the mail was not sent, exim is going to send it back to the sender isn't it?
10:29.18petemczeeble: when was the last time you updated gnome 2.6?
10:29.20spooferthanks jm_
10:29.47zeeblepetemc today morning. i almost always do apt-get upgrade and apt-get upgrade -t experimental
10:30.03asfourRemoving dot-forward ...
10:30.03asfourdpkg - warning: while removing dot-forward, directory `/usr/share/doc/dot-forward' not empty so not removed.
10:30.03dpkgYou are moron #66, asfour
10:30.15jm_well said
10:30.16nathanhasf: thats ok, that warning
10:30.20petemcheh
10:30.21nathanhasf: just let it ride
10:30.25asfourwhat now :(
10:30.31nathanhasf: apt-get -f install
10:30.32zeeblepetemc what?
10:30.39nathanhasf: apt-get install postfix
10:30.43petemczeeble: what what?
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10:31.04nu_metallre
10:31.04ricky_clarksonIt's like being in an old folks' home.
10:31.10nathanhonly without the drugs
10:31.11nu_metallit works again! :)
10:31.12eisenstewhere is mtools?
10:31.19nathanheis: apt-get install mtools
10:31.22zeeblepetemc you asked when i'd upgraded gnome 2.6 as if upgraing it woul.d like break stuff. i wanted to know why?
10:31.34nathanhnu_metall, what was it
10:31.42asfourReading Package Lists... Done
10:31.42asfourBuilding Dependency Tree... Done
10:31.42asfourYou might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
10:31.42asfourSorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
10:31.42asfour<PROTECTED>
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10:31.47petemczeeble: you're saying upgrading experimental every day wont break stuff?
10:31.48nathanhhaha
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10:32.05asfourand now
10:32.05ricky_clarksonasfour: get a brain, and run apt-get -f install
10:32.21nu_metallnathanh: dont know. i've changed the runlevel to 2 and now it works fine
10:32.43zeeblepetemc break stuff as in? i think i check enough before seeing which particular packages are going to be upgraded. not many packages are upgraded anyway.
10:33.16petemczeeble: doesnt upgrading experimental bring in new versions of apt etc?
10:33.24nathanhpetemc: only if you let it
10:33.36zeeblepetemc for info. the only package that had broken somewhat because of experimental in teh last 4 weeks was agaleon cvs release that had bad post install script
10:33.36nathanhpetemc: if you go "apt-get -t experimentall install gnome" it only does gnome stuff, and any deps
10:33.42petemcnathanh: i dont need you to tell me how to use apt-get, he said apt-get upgrade
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10:33.46zeeblepetemc no.
10:33.50nathanhpetemc: oh, right, ok
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10:33.57helixgrr, i always wonder why my computer is slow until i realize it's just the 0625 cron time.
10:34.02nathanhmy bad
10:34.08petemczeeble: apt-get -t experimental dist-upgrade does
10:34.13zeeblepetemc you want me to do it right now adn show you? apt-get upgrade -t experimental will NOT get apt
10:34.16aZ[a]ZeLhelix: hullo early bird
10:34.22helixyo
10:34.23Bockzeeblee, i have updated my source list?
10:34.25zeeblepetemc when did i say i did a dist-upgrade eberyday?
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10:34.32Bockwhat shoul i do next to actualize from 2.4 to 2.6?
10:34.42Bockapt-get update --fix-missing
10:34.43simonrvn(10:29) < zeeble> petemc today morning. i almost always do apt-get upgrade and apt-get upgrade -t experimental
10:34.44Bock??
10:34.51cypher`how do i install a .deb?
10:34.58eisenstenathanh - txn
10:35.01nathanhgiggle, these questions are great
10:35.03petemczeeble: im going to stop talking to you, the day experimental packages break your system you'll understand what i'm talking about
10:35.08ricky_clarksoncypher`: dpkg -i thedeb.deb
10:35.18cypher`ricky_clarkson: ta
10:35.23ricky_clarksonnp
10:35.23zeeblepetemc thanks for the warning. that's what i was waiting for.
10:35.35eisenstei install mtools
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10:35.46ricky_clarksoneisenste: Amazing.
10:35.49Bockzeeble, what line should i write to update my gnome from 2.4 to 2.6 ??
10:35.57nathanhhey, ricky clarson, werent you on american idol?
10:36.00djgHi, I have a UK keyboard but it's outputting in US.  Can anyone help me please?
10:36.02zeebleBock dude, dont ask me. /msg dpkg gnome2.6
10:36.03nathanhhow did that song go...
10:36.08Bockohh
10:36.10Bocksorry
10:36.11Bock:S
10:36.14ricky_clarksonnathanh: Yes.  Since then I've had a sex change and changed my nationality.
10:36.16aZ[a]ZeLwas his sister...
10:36.25nathanhricky_clarkson, so you're female now?
10:36.28aZ[a]ZeLricky_clarkson: how was the lobotomy?
10:36.29nathanhcos damn, you were one ugly dude
10:36.42nu_metallbtw: is there any kind of software to master cd roms like nero on windows ( shame on me, i know ). xcdroast does only burn imanges doesnt it?
10:36.51aZ[a]ZeLricky_clarkson: im talkin about the nationality change... :)
10:36.55nathanhnu_metall, xcdroast does everything
10:36.56ricky_clarksonnathanh: Those are pecks, you git.
10:36.57spoofernu_metall: k3b
10:37.15nathanhricky_clarkson, oh... i thought you were stuffing tissues ;-)
10:37.21djgAnyone?  How do I change a keymap?
10:37.25spoofernu_metall: or pigeon, gtk2 apllication but it's still really buggy
10:37.34ricky_clarksondjg: in X or tty?
10:37.41eisenstesomebody  is from poland?
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10:37.59asfourWHAT I HAVE KIKED TREE TIME NOW
10:38.02djgricky_clarkson: Just X
10:38.09aZ[a]ZeLasfour: nice caps lock
10:38.11ricky_clarksondjg: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
10:38.17spooferasfour: stop flooding
10:38.23blondzdjg: setxkbmap
10:38.26debianasfour: stop kiking then
10:38.27nathanhasfour, its an autokick, nobody is picking on you yet
10:38.29ricky_clarksonasfour: Stop fucking flooding and don't fucking private message me again, you twat.
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10:38.32asfourI DONT WANT FLLODING
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10:38.40djgricky_clarkson, blondz: Which one?
10:38.40nathanhbut i suspect thats about to change
10:38.49spooferasfour: read the topic
10:38.50aZ[a]ZeLoh boy.. turn your forking caps lock off
10:38.52ricky_clarksondjg: pick one.
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10:38.55SlayerXPasfour: YOUR CAPSLOCK IS STUCK ON
10:38.55debianI'm starting to believe that the typo you made is intentional. :)
10:38.57asfouronly send themessage error
10:39.10djgricky_clarkson: Will I have to restart X for either?
10:39.15asfourok
10:39.16Guerinricky_clarkson: you're so northern english :)
10:39.20spooferasfour: copy and paste into the channel is considered as flooding
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10:39.34debianasfour: you can ask people to join #flood and paste things there
10:39.38blondzdjg: setxkbmap -model pc104 gb
10:39.39ricky_clarksonGuerin: Fuck you!
10:39.40ricky_clarkson;)
10:39.49ricky_clarksondjg: No idea.
10:39.50Guerinricky_clarkson: wanker
10:39.51debianasfour: when yu get to know more about IRCing, you can easily get helps
10:39.53nathanhricky_clarkson, oh li di da... capitals now
10:39.55nathanh:-)
10:39.57Guerin:P
10:39.58ricky_clarksonGuerin: tosser.
10:40.02aZ[a]ZeLah there's a bit of that english wit
10:40.04Guerinricky_clarkson: peasant
10:40.05asfourok thanks guys
10:40.11SlayerXPcan I play?
10:40.12ricky_clarksonGuerin: Oh, I'm so hurt now.
10:40.13djgblondz: Perfect.
10:40.21ricky_clarkson!yorkshiresmite Guerin
10:40.26nathanhyou have the boorish manner of a cambridge boy
10:40.31Guerindamn, I can't top that
10:40.35djgblondz, ricky_clarkson:  Thanks for your help.
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10:40.50SlayerXPricky_clarkson: your personal hygiene is akin to that of a leperous baboon.  you have the interpersonal skills of a rocking chair.
10:40.52ricky_clarksonnathanh: Me?
10:40.53blondzdjg: glad to
10:40.56Guerin!newzealandsmite ricky_clarkson
10:40.57djgWill that be maintained in the next session?
10:41.00asfourthe same things
10:41.01helixis experimentating like conversating?
10:41.03nathanhricky_clarkson, it was an undirected insult, so i can insult more people that way
10:41.21ricky_clarksonhelix: It's more like a made up word.
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10:41.27mechan0rsomething a kin to IT's ALIVE! IT'S ALIVE!
10:41.29aZ[a]ZeLheh, undirect
10:41.31helixricky_clarkson: ok, so it is like conversating
10:41.34zeebleits for people who dont know the right adjective
10:41.36aZ[a]ZeLme fail english, that's un possible
10:41.38djgBye
10:41.49ricky_clarksonhelix: I don't think conversating is a real word either.
10:41.51debian?
10:41.51nathanhaZ[a]ZeL, im reinventenating my vocalabulary
10:41.58helixricky_clarkson: yeah, that was kind of my point..
10:41.59SlayerXPricky_clarkson: she means "conversing"
10:42.05helixricky_clarkson: maybe you need some of that coffee?
10:42.11helixyou guys are dumb..
10:42.14zeebleheh
10:42.17aZ[a]ZeLshe's from florida, give her a break... :)
10:42.22ricky_clarksonAh, right.
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10:42.24Guerinhelix: nah, he only drinks tea, he's englilsh ...
10:42.33helixGuerin: no, he drinks coffee. some cheap stuff.
10:42.34aZ[a]ZeLahh recounts, old people.. and something else...
10:42.42nathanhaZ[a]ZeL, oranges
10:42.42ricky_clarksonhelix: Hehe, nice memory :)
10:42.43helixaZ[a]ZeL: shut up, cheese eater..
10:42.52helixyeah, oranges!
10:42.53ricky_clarksonhelix: I have some lemon tea as well.
10:42.53Guerinhelix: he might tell you that, but he's a tea drinker at heart
10:42.55Guerinthey all are
10:42.57aZ[a]ZeLnathanh: hehe.. hey I had some florida orange juice in london :)
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10:43.03helix!britsmite ricky_clarkson
10:43.06nathanhswanky... imported OJ
10:43.06ricky_clarksonTea is a good drink when you make it properly.
10:43.10nathanhas opposed to indicted OJ
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10:43.31nathanhthe water must be HOT!
10:43.33nathanhamerican cannot figure that out
10:43.33helixmy british blood is too far displaced
10:43.35nathanhand serve horrible tea
10:43.38ricky_clarksonAmericans apparently dislike tea because they make it with lukewarm water.
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10:43.41zeebleso what's iced tea?
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10:43.45eisenstei instat mtools and...
10:43.45SlayerXPhelix: i have a new camera!!
10:43.46nu_metallgrrrr.... i've just downloaded knoppix 3.4 and they released an updated version now. :(
10:43.49nathanhzeeb: iced tea starts hot
10:43.51Scarsif I have an old Debian system and want to upgrade it to a new one, what's the easiest way to do that and keep the config
10:43.56helixSlayerXP: cool.. does this mean you'll be giving me your old one?
10:43.57ricky_clarksonzeeble: Poncy shit.
10:44.02nathanheisenste, man mdir
10:44.05mechan0rHALLELUJAH!
10:44.07SlayerXPzeeble: iced tea, alongside marmite, is the confirmed source of all evil
10:44.12Gueriniced tea is good as well, better if it's from Long Island, though...
10:44.14ricky_clarksonScars: change sources.list and do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
10:44.17zeebleeeww
10:44.18helixnathanh: i'm not a tea drinker but i'm curious - how does very hot water help?
10:44.20SlayerXPhelix: if you don't mind paying to fix it :)
10:44.22nathanhmmm, vegemite
10:44.23spooferScars: apt-get update?
10:44.23eisenstewhere mdir?
10:44.27helixSlayerXP: oh, it broke? loser
10:44.30zeeblei'll stick to iced coffee it at all. or mango milk shakes.
10:44.35aZ[a]ZeLvegemite is the good
10:44.39SlayerXPhelix: http://www.hinterlands.org/mjumacro2.jpg
10:44.40helixi like water
10:44.41nathanhhelix: it must be hot or the leaves do not "open" properly
10:44.44ricky_clarksonhelix: It makes the tea leaves actually release some of their flavour.
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10:44.47nathanhhelix: and the tea tastes like watered down shite
10:44.50helixtea leaves?
10:44.51SlayerXPhelix: no, it's just a minor fault with the lens cover sensor.
10:44.55helixso tea doesn't come in pouches?
10:44.57nathanhyes, leaves
10:45.00ricky_clarksonhelix: Tea leaves are what go inside the bags.
10:45.02zeebleSlayerXP what camera is this?
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10:45.13SlayerXPzeeble: olympus mju 410
10:45.13eisenstewrite cannot initialize 'a:'
10:45.14helixnathanh: well, i told you i'm not a tea drinker
10:45.17l^rchkrnlol
10:45.18Scarsricky_clarkson: the problem is, my NIC won't work, so I wonder if can maybe do new installation with a new debian version and keep theold one
10:45.18helixi've never made tea in my life
10:45.21nathanhprobably never had good tea
10:45.23l^rchkrnI like this place
10:45.24nathanhgood tea is grouse mate
10:45.27aZ[a]ZeLI used to drink tea, but I got sick of it
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10:45.30zeebleSlayerXP optical, right?
10:45.32helixnathanh: i haven't had tea since i was about 10 years old
10:45.36Guerinnathanh: are you from AU or NZ?
10:45.39nathanhAU
10:45.40l^rchkrnOh no, wrong channel sorry...
10:45.42helixi like water or carbonated drinks ... or juice
10:45.43SlayerXPzeeble: most cameras do tend to be optical, yes :)
10:45.43aZ[a]ZeLtakes like crap without 10 spoons of sugar.. just lik ecoffee
10:45.46zeebleSlayerXP when're you gonna buy a digital?
10:45.47nathanheisenste, dont tell me, you dont have permissions
10:45.53ricky_clarksonScars: You could keep the old one in a separate partition, or use debootstrap to install the new debian version into a directory then use chroot to get to it.
10:45.55SlayerXPzeeble: this is digital
10:45.56Guerinnathanh: nobody uses grouse like us from downunder
10:45.57helixSlayerXP: that's quite a picture.
10:45.58jm_zeeble: that is a digicam
10:46.03zeebleSlayerXP nic.
10:46.06nathanhGuerin, swoit mate
10:46.07SlayerXPhelix: I liked it
10:46.08zeebleSlayerXP nice even.
10:46.13aZ[a]ZeLbah, only eastern state losers say grouse!
10:46.15nwoodsdoes anyone know how to get X running on an HPPA machine
10:46.16Guerinnathanh: bleedin' oath
10:46.23aZ[a]ZeLdamn melbourne people
10:46.29jm_nwoods: it worked just fine for me
10:46.45Scarsricky_clarkson: do you know if I can just reinstall the networking part, with nic and so on?
10:46.50helix!lart broken MUA's
10:46.50Guerinsay grouse in a public place in NZ, and you get funny looks now
10:46.53helixbleh
10:47.03cafuegoaZ[a]ZeL: You're awake!
10:47.05helixhow can someone reply to something and lack a RE: or Re: in the subject line?
10:47.08Guerinwhen I was a lad, it was the Thing To Say
10:47.10helix!helixsmite cafuego
10:47.11aZ[a]ZeLcafuego: um.. yes
10:47.11ricky_clarksonScars: What is the problem that you're trying to solve?
10:47.15nathanhaZ[a]ZeL, edit it out
10:47.24cafuegoaZ[a]ZeL: Do you have a php/gd able apache server you could test something out on for me?
10:47.30nathanhaZ[a]ZeL, the subject is arbitrary
10:47.33aZ[a]ZeLnathanh: wtf you talkin bout boy
10:47.35blondzScars: /ignore aZ[a]ZeL
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10:47.45eisenstepermision?
10:47.46cafuego!cafuegosmite helix
10:47.48nathanhaZ[a]ZeL, wrote to you instead of helix
10:47.53helixi'm flat.. :(
10:48.03zeebleSlayerXP how much was the olympus? $400 or less?
10:48.07aZ[a]ZeLcafuego: not that I know of
10:48.13cafuegoaZ[a]ZeL: poo
10:48.22eisenstehow set default params?
10:48.25zeebleSlayerXP looks good though
10:48.35mechan0r<PROTECTED>
10:48.35mechan0rMem:        127036     126644        392          0        752      11808
10:48.35mechan0r-/+ buffers/cache:     114084      12952
10:48.35mechan0rSwap:       262136     198000      64136
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10:48.44Scarsricky_clarkson: I rebooted my beian and it didn't want to bring up my network, and I'm pretty sure the nic is ok
10:48.49nathanhdamn, 4 line hair trigger... you guys are serious about floods
10:48.57cafuegoaZ[a]ZeL: I wrote a php script that fetches your internode usage stats and displays this month's usage in RSS feed format OR graphs a png with a complete usage history
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10:49.08helixdebhelper means business
10:49.17jm_nwoods: no msgs, did you tell it to use FB ?
10:49.17ricky_clarksonScars: Is the module loaded?
10:49.38aZ[a]ZeLcafuego: cool... I havent really been checking my usage page.. I'm on the 12GB plan, and I'm nowhere near that yet..
10:49.40Scarsricky_clarkson: it say it can't find the nic, wich I find really odd
10:49.41jm_helix: Germans sometimes use Aw: as opposed to Re: IIRC
10:49.47nwoodsjm_  yes, it is using FB
10:50.02eisenstehellp
10:50.03helixjm_: ah, this is not a german .. just some idiot with a misconfigured MUA
10:50.05ricky_clarksonScars: Does lspci show the NIC?
10:50.07jm_nwoods: and the same resolution that console is in ?
10:50.09eisenstei sory for me
10:50.12asfouraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
10:50.14helixjm_: it doesn't even thread
10:50.19eisenstebut i need help
10:50.23helixi'm going to have to kill him
10:50.24ricky_clarkson/kickban asfour someone please
10:50.38helixricky_clarkson: for one line?
10:50.42SlayerXPzeeble: I paid, £219,  list price is £299
10:50.45ricky_clarksonHe's flooded three times, /msgd me.
10:50.49Guerinhelix: this is just the latest
10:50.52zeeblehelix did he actually do reply? or copy paste from the original message?
10:50.53helixso then..
10:50.54helix!ops
10:50.54dpkgops is probably Meet your friendly #debian operators: asuffield, bdale, bignose, bob2`, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, Hydroxide, lilo, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk
10:51.02Scarsricky_clarkson: how do I check if the lspci is showing the NIC?
10:51.06nwoodsjm_: yep, my system only does 1280x1024
10:51.08ricky_clarksonhelix: Heh, just to highlight all their windows ;)
10:51.09helixzeeble: afaict, he actually replied - he's not totally clueless, i dunno what the problem is
10:51.11SlayerXPI think I should be an op too!!!!
10:51.14helixricky_clarkson: indeed
10:51.14arkainehow can i make a file -rw-rw---- ?
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10:51.22zeebleSlayerXP nice deal. i'm fscked on my canon300D selection
10:51.25helixricky_clarkson: i just want to annoy asuffield
10:51.32ricky_clarksonhelix: I don't blame you.
10:52.26nathanhasfour, you're not having a good day, but i think irc wont help you, go find a friend to help you, failing that ... i dunno... you're screwed?
10:52.28jm_nwoods: that worked on my pa-risc box, I had to tell it to use the same resolution
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10:52.42asfour:(:(:(
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10:52.49Guerinawen: 8 comes next
10:52.57nathanhasfour, you know, i still havent worked out what your problem is... i dont think anybody has... so we cant really help
10:52.58Gueringah
10:53.02l^rchkrnasfour: /part #debian
10:53.06l^rchkrnasfour: /join #flood
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10:53.16l^rchkrnasfour: I may try to help ypo there again.
10:53.19aZ[a]ZeLasfour: /quit
10:53.31Scarsricky_clarkson: did you see my msg about how to see lspci shows the NIC, ?
10:53.44ricky_clarksonNope.
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10:53.57ricky_clarksonScars: Ah, yes.  Look at the output!
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10:54.05helixah. he doesn't want FLLODING
10:54.15RolandUhi all
10:54.21nathanhhelix: he keeps doing it, then rejoining and writing in all caps about how much it sucks
10:54.29Kempstonhow can i findout what is the name of my mothboard ?
10:54.30helixpoor baby..
10:54.36l^rchkrnHe is german
10:54.40nathanhaww, we were all irc noobs once :-)
10:54.42aZ[a]ZeLsomeone should send him an Idiots Guide to IRC
10:54.42l^rchkrnJust bad enhlish
10:54.43Scarsricky_clarkson: sorry but I'm new to debian, how do I check the output, whatäs the command
10:54.45Kempstonsyslog ?
10:54.49asfour:(
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10:55.09aZ[a]ZeLgerman's can normally speak english eh?
10:55.21nathanhhe writes better english than i can write german
10:55.23l^rchkrnaZ[a]ZeL: Some do...
10:55.28helixyes.. but they usually hate peanut butter
10:55.30nathanhactually, he writes better english than i can write english
10:55.31asfourso no one can help ??
10:55.44aZ[a]ZeLich bin ein berliner
10:55.55l^rchkrnich bin ein debianer
10:55.56helixasfour: apt-get -f install
10:55.57Scarswho's from germany?
10:56.01GuerinaZ[a]ZeL: I'll have you with kaffe then?
10:56.07asfourund ich bin ein braunschweiger
10:56.11l^rchkrnScars: asfour
10:56.13aZ[a]ZeLGuerin: heh
10:56.19ricky_clarksonScars: You type lspci
10:56.29nathanhund ich bin ein doctor frankenfurter
10:56.32aZ[a]ZeLI just remember that from that speech that US loser did.. what's his name.. JFK
10:56.41Scarsricky_clarkson: oh, that easy.. hehe.. hold on, I will check..
10:56.44asfouri have try it helix but the same things
10:56.50aZ[a]ZeL"I say, let them come to berlin"
10:56.54GuerinaZ[a]ZeL: c'mon, as US presidents go, JFK was pretty close to the top
10:57.04helixyeah
10:57.11aZ[a]ZeLGuerin: yeah, everythign is relative
10:57.11helixall the good presidents cheated on their wives
10:57.17zeebleall of em?
10:57.21helixzeeble: yeah
10:57.24Scarsricky_clarkson: yes it show my NIC..
10:57.25RolandUI have the following 2 lines in my lilo.conf, but it won't load: "other=/dev/hdc1"
10:57.25RolandU"label=Win98"
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10:57.31Guerinhelix: and all the bad ones too, just that onely some of it got out
10:57.31nathanhGuerin, look at the competition... aka bush
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10:57.37aZ[a]ZeLcan't help being studly when you're the president of USA
10:57.38zeeblewhich is'nt bad. marriage is a strange relationship.
10:57.40nathanhits not exactly a class-act crowd
10:57.47Guerinnathanh: you can talk, your country is right in behind him
10:57.49Guerin:)
10:57.53nathanh:-(
10:57.56nathanhbloody howard
10:57.58nathanhstupid troll doll
10:57.59helixwell, the good ones were often famous for their indiscretions
10:58.03Guerinsorry, I shouldn't rub it in
10:58.08nathanhdie NZ
10:58.10aZ[a]ZeLheh, howard is bush's little puppy
10:58.12zeeblenathanh ozzie?
10:58.20l^rchkrnnathanh: .nz rocks hey!
10:58.21nathanhzeeb: strewth mate
10:58.29Guerinhelix: interesting isn't it?
10:58.43aZ[a]ZeL"come here boy. come on! Send some troops to some non-existant cause..."
10:58.49helixGuerin: yeah ... in a "he still sucked" kinda way
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10:59.05ricky_clarksonScars: But modprobe complains when you t6ry to install the module?
10:59.10l^rchkrnlol
10:59.11nathanhhey, the cause was very real... bush needs more oil...
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10:59.21l^rchkrnasfour quit?
10:59.38Guerinhelix: it's fully not on for the head of a state to be cheatin' on his wife in public
10:59.40aZ[a]ZeLreminds me, I gotta go look at that bushin30seconds website
10:59.50Guerinit shows pretty poor respect
11:00.13aZ[a]ZeLGuerin: still, why was he impeached? (im talkin about clinton), who gives a fuck if he cheated on his wife?
11:00.17ricky_clarksonGuerin: I don't think it matters.
11:00.21aZ[a]ZeLGuerin: how does that prevent him from doing his job?
11:00.27ricky_clarksonaZ[a]ZeL: Clinton lied about it.
11:00.28nathanhaZ[a]ZeL, i think the point was that he lied about it afterwards
11:00.36nathanhif he can lie about that, what else is he lying about?
11:00.39aZ[a]ZeLbah
11:00.39Bockwhat was the pop3 protocol message for getting a message from the list?
11:00.40zeebleits all about lying baby
11:00.42GuerinaZ[a]ZeL: it prevents him from having the confidence of his countryfolk
11:00.45ricky_clarksonPoliticians lie anyway.
11:00.51Guerinstill, I don't believe he should have been impeached
11:00.58helixricky_clarkson: not a good enough reason to allow them to keep lying..
11:01.01aZ[a]ZeLevery second word bush jr says is a lie
11:01.02Guerinjust let the electorate sort it out, I would have said
11:01.29aZ[a]ZeLhopefully the people of USA will wake up and boot that guy out of office
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11:01.31spooferdid anybody find a mass destruction weapon in Irak?
11:01.36aZ[a]ZeLeven florida..
11:01.38GuerinI think the point is tht when you catch someone in a blatant lie, you need to call them on it - so they don't think they can get away with it
11:01.47nathanhspoof: only the ones the americans brought in with them
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11:01.50Scarsricky_clarkson: when I boot my machine it say can't find any NIC..
11:01.53nathanh"inaction is a weapon of mass destruction"
11:01.56Guerinspoofer: nope
11:01.59timecopusr/sbin/iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -p tcp --syn -m length --length 40:68 -j CLASSIFY --set-class 1:10
11:02.01timecopthis says
11:02.07timecopiptables: No chain/target/match by that name
11:02.10timecopwhats the problem?
11:02.13ricky_clarksonScars: So what?  Your machine is booted now, modprobe your driver.
11:02.36spooferjust thought we were talking about lies.. WMD is the bigger one
11:02.46nathanhspoofer, to be fair, i think bush *thought* there were WMD
11:02.47spoofer*biggest
11:02.49Scarsricky_clarkson: do I just write modprobe?
11:02.54aZ[a]ZeLnathanh: what? no way...
11:02.56nathanhspoofer, but thats because he's a stupid idiot who believes what he's told
11:02.58ricky_clarksonScars: try modconf
11:03.00timecopok, if you wana talk about politics, take it to #Politics or better yetto #fuckoff
11:03.04timecopnow someone help me wiht my question
11:03.05nathanhspoofer, i reckon the real power is the people manipulating bush
11:03.11spoofernathanh: heheh
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11:03.21helixtimecop: that's really not going to get you any help.
11:03.21timecopusr/sbin/iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -p tcp --syn -m length --length 40:68 -j CLASSIFY --set-class 1:10
11:03.23aZ[a]ZeLcheney, rumsfield, et al
11:03.27nathanhexactly
11:03.28Guerinspoofer: whether it's a lie or an exaggeration of legit information, someone needs to be responsible for it
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11:03.38timecopusr/sbin/iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -p tcp --syn -m length --length 40:68 -j CLASSIFY --set-class 1:10
11:03.38timecopiptables: No chain/target/match by that name
11:03.41timecopgives me that error
11:03.42timecopwhy
11:03.44helixtimecop: stop it
11:03.48helix!tell timecop about repeat
11:03.53timecophelix: i dont care.
11:03.56timecopi need it answered.
11:03.58Guerinbasically, the biggest threat in the world at the time of the invasion was the one 150KM north of me
11:03.58timecopthe docs dont answer it.
11:04.03timecopthe documentation sucks infact.
11:04.16spoofernathanh: what I don't understand is why a portion of americans still believe that there are this kind of weapons..
11:04.18timecopmost of it still wants me to upgrade to the latest 2.2 kernel if i'm having trouble
11:04.26Guerintimecop: you'll have plenty of time to care if you get kicked for pissing the ops off
11:04.26helixtimecop: then join #iptables and leave us alone with your shitty attitude.
11:04.27nathanhspoofer, because fox news told them WMD existed
11:04.32nathanhspoofer, TV doesnt lie </innocent>
11:04.46RolandUdo I need the Table=/dev/hdc option in my lilo.conf to load win98 from there?
11:04.48timecopnathanh: please take your political crap elsewhere kthx
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11:04.58spooferGuerin: somebody must also be responsible for all pains and deaths the war caused..
11:04.59michael__what package contains symbols for pc/uk ?
11:05.00helixwhat an asshole..
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11:05.16sleazegrindertimecop: Please repeat somewhere else kthx
11:05.18michael__or should i be using pc/gb?
11:05.26Guerintimecop: go fuck yerself, chump, walk into a channeltalking shit and telling people to stop their conversations
11:05.28ricky_clarksontimecop: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/badgers.txt
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11:05.43timecopricky_clarkson: i dont think thats going to be helping me wiht my problem. nice try though.
11:05.51ricky_clarksontimecop: It's funny though.
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11:06.02timecopabout as funny as talking about bush in a linsux channel
11:06.11spoofernathanh: I think that everybody has a kind of critical spirit (don't know if we say that in englis) but if everybody believed what tv tells, the human being is more stupid than ever
11:06.16ricky_clarksontimecop: Get over yourself.
11:06.18aZ[a]ZeLhmm, I can't play shockwave :(
11:06.28nathanhspoofer, hey, thats my theory
11:06.28timecopspoofer: i dont even watch TV. take that commentary and shove it.
11:06.38CokeHmm. I do a "cvs log -d 2004-04-10", but it lists for all dates, what is up with that? How can I list a period or a certain date only?
11:06.38aZ[a]ZeLcan't watch the video's on the bushin30seconds website..
11:06.41helixtimecop: chill out
11:06.42timecopnow can someone explain me what hte fuck is wrong with my iptables setup?
11:06.42nathanhspoofer, people are stupid, but i dont think thats a problem... because im human, so im stupid too
11:06.43ricky_clarksonaZ[a]ZeL: apt-get install flashplugin?
11:06.45aZ[a]ZeLwhy can't they use a decent format
11:06.49helixugh..
11:06.52helix!ops
11:06.52aZ[a]ZeLricky_clarkson: I've got flash installed
11:06.52dpkgi guess ops is Meet your friendly #debian operators: asuffield, bdale, bignose, bob2`, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, Hydroxide, lilo, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk
11:06.55helixwake up already
11:07.00nathanhtimecop, the -t mangle looks bad to me
11:07.04spoofertimecop: what does shove mean?
11:07.07Bockmu flashplugin works poorly
11:07.07Bock:s
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11:07.15Bock*my
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11:07.19nathanhtimecop, you're specifying a nonstandard table, probably doesnt have that POSTROUTING rule
11:07.19l^rchkrn8)
11:07.28timecophm
11:07.30l^rchkrn8) This channel is ultra intolerant
11:07.33timecopits supposedly created at the beginning of this
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11:07.37nathanhl^rchkrn, no it fucking isnt!
11:07.41nathanhl^rchkrn, i'll bash you good
11:07.48l^rchkrnnathanh: :-)
11:07.52nathanhtimecop, iptables -L -n -v -t mangle
11:07.54ricky_clarksontimecop: http://pcpki.co.uk/inet - there's some beginner's examples of ipchains on there.
11:07.58nathanhtimecop, take a look, i'll bet you it aint there
11:07.59l^rchkrnnathanh: There are some exceptions like you... but...
11:08.06nathanhtimecop, and if it isnt, you need to learn more before asking more questions
11:08.10timecopnathanh: it prints stuff
11:08.14timecopwhat am I looking for?
11:08.18nathanhok, you need to read more
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11:08.21Guerintimecop: only you know that
11:08.22helixnathanh: like basic manners?
11:08.25nathanhyou'd doing complex rules and you didnt know enough to do a -L
11:08.27Kempstonhow can i findout (in debian) what is the name of my mothboard ?
11:08.40spoofernathanh: people may be stupid but still educated the problem is that most of us are not educated. By us I mean human being. Only the fact that you'r sitting i front of you computer talking about computers tells that you'r more educated than the rest of the world
11:08.42Bockdoes anyone know a good mp3 program to manage large mp3 collections?
11:08.42nathanhhelix: ?
11:08.42timecopthe error is very specific to what hte fuck is wrong wiht the line
11:08.42Guerintimecop: google: howto not be a fucking moron
11:08.43zeebleKempston opening the case
11:08.45aZ[a]ZeLooh, mozilla can view em!
11:08.49aZ[a]ZeLopera can't :(
11:08.53nathanhspoofer, nah, i dont believe that for a second
11:08.56nathanhi mean, i know about computers
11:08.56timecopwho the hell uses opera anyway?
11:08.57spooferI do
11:08.59timecopIE6 > *
11:09.00nathanhbut im ignorant of so much else
11:09.01aZ[a]ZeLI do
11:09.08JimButtonl^rchkrn: we even have both peanut butter lovers and haters here in this channel without banning, kicking and cursing each other, it is very tolerant...
11:09.12aZ[a]ZeLtimecop: t-roll
11:09.13nathanhif iw as dumped in china, and told to make my rice paddy provide food for 15 people
11:09.14nathanhid be fucked
11:09.16timecopok lets see
11:09.18nathanhid be totally ignorant
11:09.26nathanhim not educated at all except for this really narrow field
11:09.28Scarsricky_clarkson: ok did modeconf and it installed the nic and I tried to ping a machine it said network unreachable
11:09.31nathanhso i dont think thats educated at all
11:09.32timecopnathanh: so what am I looking by listing that mangle table?
11:09.41l^rchkrnJimButton: ?
11:09.47nathanhtimecop: i was mostly looking to see if you knew what it meant
11:09.47helixJimButton: WNBT
11:09.48timecopI see PREROUTING INPUT FORWARD OUTPUT POSTROUTING there
11:09.48zeeblescars man interfaces
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11:09.53ricky_clarksonScars: Do you use DHCP?
11:09.59spoofernathanh: we are all ignorant but you'r less ignorant then other human beings..
11:09.59JimButtonhelix: what?
11:10.03nathanhtimecop: you dont, you're out of your depth, and i don't think this is the right place for those questions
11:10.04spoofer*than
11:10.06timecopnathanh: and I dont. I jsut want to type wihtout lag on this shitty jap network connection
11:10.13helixhmm.. i'm being misunderstood left and right..
11:10.22nathanhspoofer, nah, what im saying is that someone who knows how to build a house, run a farm, raise a family, is way more educated than i am
11:10.23timecopnathanh: i dont give a fuck about why or what makes it work. i jsut need it working,m period.
11:10.30nathanhspoofer, just because i can read/write/usecomputer doesnt make me educated
11:10.31Scarsricky_clarkson: no I use static ipaddress, maybe should reconfigure that aswell
11:10.33Guerintimecop: ....
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11:10.37zeeblehelix still morning for you. you're up too early.
11:10.39helixtimecop: please stop.
11:10.45timecopGuerin: yes, some people have more shit to do than spend days configuring retarded scripts.
11:10.51timecopGuerin: you may have that kind of time; i dont.
11:10.53JimButtonl^rchkrn: it involves goats, whips and a catholic minister
11:10.58Guerintimecop: fuck off an use windows then
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11:11.05nathanhhrm... maybe what im getting at is i dont think "classical education" means a damn
11:11.06timecopGuerin: oh, I do.
11:11.09timecopGuerin: i love windows.
11:11.16zeebletimecop and this is Free help  or what?
11:11.20estimecop: try webmin iptables
11:11.23timecopzeeble: well, it better be
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11:11.26Guerintimecop: well why the fuck are you buggin' us?
11:11.26timecopes* i dont use webmin.
11:11.29zeebletimecop it isnt
11:11.32timecopGuerin: you dont have to answer me.
11:11.41timecopGuerin: if you arent going to be contributing to solving my problem shut hte hell up
11:11.51Guerintimecop: damn straight, but I will if you keep that lip
11:12.01spoofernathanh: that's only a point of view, if you can run a computer you mind has been educated to THINK. A farmer, a father or a house builder do think that are basically manual. which is different according to me
11:12.02Kempstonzeeble what if it's in another country ?
11:12.13zeebleKempston what?
11:12.13nathanhno way! i dont think a farm is just manual
11:12.16nathanhnot manual labour
11:12.18nathanhits way more than that
11:12.24l^rchkrntimecop: Please leave #debian
11:12.25timecopsoo.
11:12.27nathanhthere is so much knowledge inside the head of a person who can make a garden grow well
11:12.31nathanhits just not... "school" education
11:12.32l^rchkrntimecop: And join #flood
11:12.38timecopright
11:12.44Kempstonzeeble i can;t open the case it's too far
11:12.47timecopi might as well join #fuckoff while i7m at it
11:12.52helixby all means..
11:12.55timecopany other helpful suggestions?
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11:13.02Guerintimecop: yup, I would have suggested #fuckoff-you-moron
11:13.05helixyou could abuse the people in #iptables
11:13.08nathanhtime: that seems to be the consensus
11:13.15Guerins/moron/arsehole/
11:13.23timecopallright
11:13.25timecoptime to hit #iptables
11:13.38helixshould've been your first stop
11:13.38zeebleKempston oohh..i'd forgotten the context :) i doubt you can know the name of teh motherboard using a util. you can find out about specific pieces of hardware by looking in /proc
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11:13.56Scarshow do I reconfigure the ipaddress on a linux host, to get up the netconfig that was shown when installed the box
11:13.56nathanhscars: edit /etc/network/interfaces
11:13.59zeeblehe was using iptables?
11:14.03helixzeeble: yeah
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11:14.06zeebledamn
11:14.10Kempstonzeeble well i can in windows, surely i should be able in linux
11:14.11peterSzeeble: amazing what dmidecode will tell you sometimes, though
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11:14.33zeeblepeterS it tells you about the board too?
11:14.39peterSzeeble: sometimes
11:14.45zeeblepeterS great.
11:14.46spoofernathanh: I agree, but accoding to me if you tell a "farmer" "Iraki's have nuclear Bomb and we are fighting to liberate the poeple" he will maybe believe you. If you tell the same to someone who has knowledge in history and in worldwide strategy, he will not believe it
11:14.54peterSzeeble: depends on what the motherboard manufacturer put in that information
11:14.56nathanhspoofer, hrm... maybe
11:14.56zeebleKempston well, then listen to peters's sugg. try dmidecode
11:15.01l^rchkrnpeterS: dmidecode told me about the chassis manufacturer :-)
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11:15.17nathanhspoofer, but 95% of americans are educated, in that they can read/write... but look how ignorant they are
11:15.22timecopi'm bac. #iptables is dead.
11:15.25nathanhspoofer, i dont think education teaches you to think
11:15.32timecopback to my problem
11:15.33nathanhspoofer, i think people who think, want to be educated... but thats different
11:15.33spoofernathanh: I do ;-)
11:15.34timecophow do I fix it
11:15.34l^rchkrntimecop: /join #flood
11:15.36timecopor what is the cause
11:15.37l^rchkrntimecop: seriously
11:15.41l^rchkrntimecop: i am there
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11:15.43peterSzeeble: i.e. they don't always bother to put helpful and accurate information in the DMI, but sometimes it's better than nothing
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11:15.44spoofernathanh: heh maybe it's defendable
11:15.47Kempstonok thank you
11:15.49l^rchkrntimecop: and i know a little iptables
11:15.56timecopl^rchkrn: I dont need examples of someone elses crap. I pasted the line wiht the error.
11:15.59timecopI want to know what hte error is
11:16.01timecopand how to fix it
11:16.02zeebletimecop hold on a moment. google for iptables generator morizot.net read
11:16.07helixl^rchkrn: why do you tell people to join #flood?
11:16.18helixwhy don't you just help them here?
11:16.20peterSspoofer: a common prejudice among people who are educated: "I know how to think better than those who are not educated"
11:16.23l^rchkrnhelix: Cuz they annoy others here, nope?
11:16.25timecopzeeble: i dont need to generate iptables. i have a specific script I need to use.
11:16.29g4lthelix it gets them out of his hair ;P
11:16.35nathanhpeter: yeah, i dont agree with that prejudice
11:16.42nathanhpeter: youv'e very nicely said what i was trying to say
11:16.51peterSnathanh:  (:
11:16.53timecopso anyway.
11:16.56helixl^rchkrn: so just /msg them
11:16.58zeebletimecop there are links from there, that tell you what option combination works how. so you can prolly see what happened with yours
11:17.00l^rchkrn:-D
11:17.01timecopwhat is wrong with my iptables line.
11:17.05spooferpeterS: it's not basically thinking, it's just having more information to be able to build a point of view
11:17.09helixtimecop: it doesn't work ;)
11:17.12timecopno shit.
11:17.15timecopthanks fore stating the obvious
11:17.16Guerintimecop: it's fucked, because you fucked it up when you wrote it
11:17.17zeebleheh
11:17.20Scarsnathan: no ther way than edit, i mean isn't there any config script/program for that
11:17.23peterSspoofer: information does not critical thinking make
11:17.26helixtimecop: you're welcome :)
11:17.27Guerintimecop: well, you did ask
11:17.28l^rchkrntimecop: Okay. I missed your line...
11:17.30timecopGuerin: another clever observation.
11:17.33zeeblepeterS nice. worked for me :)
11:17.34nathanhscars: dunno, never used anything except edit :-)
11:17.35timecopl^rchkrn: pasting now.
11:17.38timecopusr/sbin/iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -p tcp --syn -m length --length 40:68 -j CLASSIFY --set-class 1:10
11:17.38timecopiptables: No chain/target/match by that name
11:17.42Guerintimecop: oh, I have shitloads more
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11:18.07nathanhi think the real sign of intelligence is realising when you dont have enough information
11:18.09g4lttimecop I guess you really don't care about actually getting help, since you have a habit of pissin on people who even talk to you
11:18.16nathanhand so few people can do that... or at least, that i have met
11:18.20spooferpeterS: no? If I didn't know that Irak was the 3 most important petrol reserve, I would have believed bush and is WMD
11:18.20nathanhi know i cant do it very well
11:18.28helixg4lt: well, we are here to serve him. could you not tell?
11:18.30luxawyup
11:18.43sway_my arrow keys arent working in vi ... how do i enable them?
11:18.44peterSspoofer: who told you it was, and why did you believe *them*?
11:18.57yangIs there a debian certification program?
11:19.12caphusosway_: arrow keys in vi are a bad idea
11:19.14nathanhsway: arrow keys? in vi?
11:19.26sway_err...why?
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11:19.33sway_ive always used them in the past
11:19.34timecopit doesnt matter that isnt the problem
11:19.35helixsway_: use the proper letters, j and k
11:19.40Scarsanyone who knows any way to config the network on debian without edit the /etc/network/interfaces, I remeber there was a script or a program that ask couple of question and then fixed the stuff
11:19.43sway_grrr!
11:19.55caphusosway_: because arrow keys tend to send things starting with an ESC
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11:20.01helixsway_: then install vim or something..
11:20.11l^rchkrnsway_: Arrows? Learn Haskell.
11:20.12spooferpeterS: I believed them because there more than just on source telling me that and because they have no interest in war or no war. Bercause those facts are really older than the WMD and because it's not a secret that the U.S. are the most important consumer of petrol
11:20.17sway_helix: they dont work on vim either
11:20.21caphusosway_: which pretty much means that as soon as you hit an arrow key in insert mode, you're back in command mode
11:20.23helixweird
11:20.27timecopcan *someone* fucking tell me what the hell is wrong wiht my iptables line?
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11:20.41timecopi cant belive in a channel of 720 idlers nobody would know
11:20.43sway_l^rchkrn, lemme guess, u went to uwa ?
11:20.43helixtimecop: please stop trolling and being rude. no one wants to help you.
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11:20.55Guerintimecop: we would have if we did, and gave a fuck
11:20.56timecophelix: no, YOU dont want to help me. plenty of others are dying to help
11:20.57helixtimecop: if you were nice someone would have looked up an answer for you already
11:20.57helixalas..
11:20.59l^rchkrnsway_: UWA? Nope.
11:20.59timecopand you are preventing htem.
11:21.10helixtimecop: i prevent nothing :)
11:21.14Guerintimecop: I don't either, so I'll just reiterate: go fuck yourself
11:21.14l^rchkrnsway_: I am in high school now.
11:21.19sway_oh, i thouhgt it was the only uni that taught haskel
11:21.31eisenstehow now why me login linux is incorrect?
11:21.35l^rchkrnsway_: Chalmers in Göteborg too
11:21.45l^rchkrnsway_: And Glasgow maybe...
11:21.46sway_no idea
11:21.50l^rchkrn:-)
11:21.51sway_<-- WA gal
11:21.56sway_:P
11:22.12nathanhsway: WA is pretty this time of year
11:22.26nathanhi wanna move to perth
11:22.26sway_errr...
11:22.27l^rchkrnsway_: Gal? Cool.
11:22.30ricky_clarksontimecop: I suspect that mailing lists might be better for this question and someone of your temperament.
11:22.36sway_it would b prettier if my arrow keys were working
11:22.36Guerindo you mean the same WA?
11:22.40nathanh?
11:22.44aZ[a]ZeLWA..bah nothing happens over there
11:22.46nathanhdont you like perth?
11:22.51nathanhmmm... quiet... peace
11:23.01timecopricky_clarkson: no.
11:23.04peterSspoofer: shrug.  I never heard anything about Iraq (generally spelled with a Q, btw) having more oil reserves than Russia or Alaska or whoever
11:23.07aZ[a]ZeLthe biggest state, full of nothing
11:23.15timecopricky_clarkson: i dont have time to fuck around with useless mailing lists of clueless morons asking for retarded help.
11:23.17daxxarhttp://www.bash.org/?41967 ;-P
11:23.18Guerinnathanh: no, by UWA I presumed U Washington, not U West Au
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11:23.19daxxarhuhuh
11:23.21*** mode/#debian [+b *!*@producto-valvo.com] by caphuso
11:23.21peterSspoofer: yet I am still satisfied that I can think for myself w/r/t Bush and his WMDs
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11:23.25helixcaphuso: thanks
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11:23.28nathanhtimecop, hehehe... the irony is lost on you
11:23.33caphusowhat a moron
11:23.38nathanhcaphuso, a *clueless* moron
11:23.38Guerincaphuso: cheers :)
11:23.48aZ[a]ZeLanother one bites the dust..
11:23.50l^rchkrn8/
11:23.51helixas opposed to clued morons..
11:23.54ricky_clarksonThank fuck.
11:24.15l^rchkrnhelix: heh
11:24.22nathanhGuerin, oooo
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11:24.27nathanhGuerin, u *washington*
11:24.32nathanhi wanna move to perth, in western australia
11:24.34nathanhbecause its lovely there
11:24.40nathanhsailing, beer
11:24.43nathanhwarm weather all year
11:24.48Guerinnathanh: I have heard that
11:24.50g4ltnathanh you want to move to St Louis?
11:24.54nathanhst louis?
11:25.05peterSnathanh: that's where Washington University is
11:25.12g4ltnathanh whois washington.edu
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11:25.22peterSnathanh: nothing to do with Washington state, US, or Western Australia
11:25.30Guerinnathanh: I have a mate who lived out there for 2 years shearing and farmhanding - he loved it, and he got damn fit as well
11:25.39nathanhugh, shearing
11:25.43nathanhdirty smelly creatures
11:25.46nathanhcrap all through their wool
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11:25.50zeebleheh
11:25.51nathanhthats a non-fun job
11:25.53nathanhlet me tell you
11:25.59Guerinnathanh: you'd be from sydney then?
11:26.02nathanhcanberra
11:26.05aZ[a]ZeLi like being able to click the high    bandwidth links on websites now, yay
11:26.10Guerinnathanh: ooh, my bad
11:26.15nathanhsydney sucks
11:26.16zeebleyay, another canberra wombat
11:26.23aZ[a]ZeLdialup feels like a different universe now
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11:26.36spooferpeterS: I don't want to talk over facts, the information's I found tell me (and I believe them) that IraQ (;-)) has one of the most important petrol reserve. I just want to say that more information give the possibility to make his point of view clear reasonnble and understandable. that's all
11:26.37aZ[a]ZeLive never been to sydney
11:26.53aZ[a]ZeLonly to the airport...
11:26.56zeeblenathanh which is the serial killer capital of oz, canberra or adelaide?
11:26.56nathanhaZ[a]ZeL, dont waste your time
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11:27.04nathanhzeeble, :!?
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11:27.19NoRCquick question, mysql is running but when i try connect remotely its claiming there is no service running. How do i enable mysql to run on port 3306?
11:27.19Scarsricky_clarkson: net network is up and running now ;-)
11:27.28caphusoNoRC: read the channel FAQ
11:27.30zeeblenathanh well, i read recently that most of teh serial killers in oz operated around adelaide or something
11:27.35spooferpeterS: why aren't U.S. ans Russia in the opep organisation then if they have so much petrol?
11:27.41aZ[a]ZeLzeeble: yup, we
11:27.47NoRCthanks :)
11:27.48aZ[a]ZeLzeeble: yup, we're the murder capital
11:27.48ricky_clarksonScars: how did you sort it?  I was gonna suggest pump but you never replied.
11:27.52GuerinNoRC: go ask in #mysql - but, the answer is in your my.cnf file
11:27.57zeebleaZ[a]ZeL you're from adelaide?
11:28.03aZ[a]ZeLzeeble: yah
11:28.09nathanhi visited adelaide last year, 3 week holiday
11:28.10nathanhit was beaut
11:28.13nathanhloved the cathedrals
11:28.16nathanhbut damn, its a small city
11:28.21aZ[a]ZeLsmall is good
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11:28.23nwoodsdoes anyone know howto setup X for an HP Apollo 720
11:28.24zeebleaZ[a]ZeL gah. well, change to debian now atleast, its been a long time with mandrake
11:28.27GuerinaZ[a]ZeL: is it true about the ganja law down there, allowing 3 plants for percy?
11:28.31sanitycan anyone recommend a simple web-based bug tracking system that is easy to set up on debian?
11:28.39nathanhi liked the wineries, all 2 hours drive from adelaide
11:28.42aZ[a]ZeLGuerin: stuff knows, I dont grow it
11:28.44Scarsricky_clarkson: i loaded the module again and did /etc/init.d/networking force-reload
11:28.50zeeblesanity look at gforge
11:29.05l^rchkrnsanity: bugzilla.mozilla.org
11:29.12aZ[a]ZeLGuerin: but we at least dont ban homosexuality like tasmania,hahahaha
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11:29.21GuerinaZ[a]ZeL: damn straight
11:29.23zeebleheh
11:29.29snokehow i remove some user password whitout remove user ?
11:29.38Guerinsnoke: why would you?
11:29.43sanityzeeble, l^rchkrn: both seem to be much more than what i need :-/
11:29.48nathanhsnoke: yes, put a * for the  password field
11:29.53peterSspoofer: why would they be?  how would it benefit them?
11:29.54zeeblesanity true :)
11:29.55nathanhsnoke: or *LK* which is very oldskool
11:29.58g4ltaZ[a]ZeL good job of it, tooo, as there's little else to do there, since you all have run off the women....
11:30.06peterSspoofer: anyway, you make it sound like having information makes you educated.  that's already a stretch.  then you imply that being educated means you can think better.  I think that's just as much of a stretch.
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11:30.24nathanhi think people who think like to educate themselves
11:30.25kruzihi all.  ive lost the bottom little menu on my GNOME screen?  with the foot and terminal buttons etc?  can i get it back?
11:30.28zeeblepeters heh
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11:30.31peterSspoofer: I suppose it's all a matter of semantics - "because I can think like an educated person, and you only think like an uneducated person, my thoughts are more interesting than yours"
11:30.32nathanhwhich is why i think mandatory priamry/secondary education is a waste of time
11:30.38nathanhyou cant educate people who dont want to be educated
11:30.41nathanhyou cant *force* someone to think
11:30.42spooferpeterS: I didn't say that
11:30.53nathanhbetter off sending them to the coal mines!
11:30.54peterSspoofer: oh, the power of circular definition
11:30.55g4ltnathanh exactly: look at you for example
11:30.57mulderxxxxxwine with spanish keyboard,? what can I do?
11:30.58nathanh?
11:31.00sway_grr! emacs is gonna take up 101M >:(
11:31.00nathanhlook at me?
11:31.02Guerinnathanh: I like to think that too, which is wy I didn't take CS at uni, and am trying to mash it all into my brain now
11:31.02kruzianyone?
11:31.02spooferpeterS: ok
11:31.10aZ[a]ZeLemacsOS
11:31.16nathanhsway: so its gotten smaller...
11:31.20michael__know any packages to probe screen frequencies?
11:31.21nathanhbadoom tish... ill be here all week
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11:31.28Guerinmulderxxxxx: I prefer wine with spanish paella, myself
11:31.35nathanhemacs... eight megabytes and constantly swapping
11:31.45nwoodsHelp Please,  Unable to mount scsi floppy disk
11:31.52l^rchkrn:-)
11:31.55sway_?
11:31.55l^rchkrnSCSI Floppy?
11:31.57spooferpeterS: anyway I respect your point of view so don't threat me as a kind of elitist.
11:32.20nathanhi think educated people do get elitist, quite often
11:32.22streunernwoods: you mean HD?
11:32.24nathanhi saw myself doing it after finishing uni
11:32.25spooferpeterS: discussion is closed for me and I got to go have a nice afternoon
11:32.29nathanhhad to mentally kick myself for being a dickhead
11:32.34nathanhi also see it amongst people who "learn" linux
11:32.39nathanhlike, really learn it, pipes and shell scripting
11:32.45nathanhthey get elitist, arrogant,.... RUDE
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11:32.49peterSnwoods: it will probably show up as /dev/sda, /dev/sdb, or similar
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11:32.51Guerinnathanh: I'm grappling with shell scripting now
11:32.59NoRCits not a mysql problem :( its a debian thing
11:32.59aZ[a]ZeLheh, that mirium show is on.. as if that's a guy
11:33.11GuerinNoRC: ???
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11:33.20streunerkruzi: get another irc-client...
11:33.21GuerinNoRC: my mysql works fine on 3306
11:33.26nwoodsSCSI FLOPPY, I have an HP 9000/720, it is pure scsi
11:33.35peterSnwoods: but I haven't used a scsi floppy under Linux, so I can't be sure of this
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11:33.45NoRCMine does too from the localhost, but soon as i try connect to it by its ip... i get a nice lil Connection Refused error.
11:33.47asgNoRC: comment the 'skip-networking' option in /etc/mysql/my.cnf
11:33.47GuerinNoRC: (or did, before I set it to use a socket)
11:33.48esNoRC: maybe it's a firewall issue
11:34.05gilgameshhi
11:34.14peterSnwoods: i386-centric people sometimes find it hard to believe that there exist such things as scsi floppies (:
11:34.31NoRCyay
11:34.38espeterS: do they exist???
11:34.40NoRCasg : your right ;)
11:34.44peterSes: yep
11:34.45NoRCi need to find my glasses
11:34.47NoRC:(
11:34.51NoRCor get some new ones
11:34.54GuerinNoRC: had you read the debian readme, you'd have known that :)
11:34.57gilgameshapparently my sound is broken again... On starting KDE it says KmixCtrl returned a SIGABRT error. What might cause this? I got all the debug info it pumped out as well
11:34.58g4ltNoRC look on your forehead
11:34.59peterSes: there's just little point spending the money, if you have a PC-style floppy controller
11:35.03CokeHow the heck do you get CVS to show the logs for a specific period only?
11:35.04InKyCan someone take a look over my X logs? I can't seem to find the problem - http://sym666.no-ip.com/~michael/XFree86.0.log thanks in advance
11:35.16NoRCthey at the office i think
11:35.18peterSCoke: use -D'starting date' -D'ending date'
11:35.23NoRCwell thats where i last remember havin them today.
11:35.23mulderxxxxxguerin, i also of course....
11:35.32espeterS: yeah what's the point to having one SCSI
11:35.35nwoodspeterS: It shows up as /dev/sda
11:35.40CokepeterS: capital D? the help says small d.
11:35.46Guerinmulderxxxxx: that was my roundabout way of saying I didn't understand your question
11:35.52peterSCoke: I could be remembering wrong.  haven't used that feature in some time
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11:36.12nathanhinky: you're using the binary nvidia drivers from nvidia.com?
11:36.16CokepeterS: I try it like "cvs log -d '2004-04-10'" but it lists everything from day one.
11:36.19gilgameshAnyone know about that?
11:36.26InKynathanh: no using nv with distro
11:36.32InKy(unstable)
11:36.33nwoodspeterS: but when i try to mount it the system crashes
11:36.37mulderxxxxxi need use spanish keyboard with wine
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11:36.49peterSnwoods: that's kind of bad
11:36.56g4ltnemo yeah, that's insulting to poor wombats
11:36.58simonrvnand that's insulting wombats
11:37.02peterSnwoods: so, /dev/sda is listed in /proc/partitions, and you think it corresponds to the floppy?
11:37.06Guerinmulderxxxxx: ah. Maybe ask in #debian-es, or #wine
11:37.16nathanhinky: put your config up too
11:37.19Guerinmulderxxxxx: I know nothing about either, sorry
11:37.23InKynathanh: k
11:37.28nathanhg4lt, you got a beef with me, buddy?
11:37.34mulderxxxxxthanks guerin
11:37.35simonrvn#winehq actually
11:37.36nemoI only noticed actually cos 'wombat' triggers my nick highlighting
11:37.45gilgameshAnyone know about that?
11:38.05simonrvn!tell gilgamesh -about repeat
11:38.16Gueringilgamesh: I've had many a KDE sound error, but not that one
11:38.17g4ltnathanh no.  Had I a beef with you, you'd know it by now
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11:38.20peterSCoke: the help for 'cvs log' shows that if you just put a single date after -d, it lists all changes before that date
11:38.24peterSCoke: is that what you wanted?
11:38.38nathanhg4lt, why the insult earlier, about me not thinking?
11:38.40CokepeterS: naw, I wanted the period. I figured it out.
11:38.53InKyhttp://sym666.no-ip.com/~michael/XF86Config-4
11:38.56gilgamesho i c
11:38.57simonrvng4lt: he's touchy..
11:39.06nathanhsimon banned me because i called him "useless boy"
11:39.11nathanhbut its all love and kisses
11:39.17gilgameshsimonrvn: i only asked if anyone knew... :P
11:39.17g4ltnathanh really?
11:39.18simonrvnnathanh: fuck off
11:39.21nathanhgiggle
11:39.29nathanhsimonrvn, i still love you honey
11:39.36simonrvn~ops
11:39.44aptmethinks ops is Meet your friendly #debian operators: asuffield, bdale, bignose, bob2`, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, Hydroxide, lilo, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk
11:39.44nathanhaww, now he's gonna ban me from here
11:39.44daxxar~cuddle simonrvn
11:39.51aptACTION cuddles with simonrvn.  "Was it good for you, dear ?"
11:39.51nathanhhe's a meanie
11:40.03daxxarhow is apt vs dpkg?
11:40.09daxxar(the bots)
11:40.09gilgameshi gtg
11:40.16nemoapt is the only one in this channel who ever makes sense
11:40.19apti haven't a clue, nemo
11:40.28peterSnemo: pwned
11:40.28gilgamesh:/
11:40.40nwoodspeterS:, yes, plus when i try to "mount /dev/sda /floppy" it reads the floppy then crashes
11:40.44nemo:<
11:41.03peterSnwoods: can't really help you.  I have no experience with linux on hppa
11:41.17peterSnwoods: it certainly shouldn't crash.  whether or not it should *work* ... I dunno, I guess
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11:41.26InKynathanh: you get that url?
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11:41.50nathanhinky: take out the videoram line, but otherwise, dunno
11:42.32InKynathanh: works perfectly
11:42.37InKynathanh: ty ;)
11:42.39nathanhyay
11:42.46Scarswhat pop3 server for debian do you ppl reccomend?
11:42.58GuerinScars: one you can get in apt
11:43.07GuerinScars: I use courier
11:43.09daxxardoes hm, i hope someone fixes the irssi bug soon :-)
11:43.17daxxars/does//
11:43.29CokepeterS: one problem I have though is that it lists all files even though there was no modification done to it during the specified period.
11:43.44petemcdaxxar: what bug? /disco :)
11:44.00daxxarpetemc: script bug ;-)
11:44.09InKythanks all catch you later
11:44.13peterSCoke: limitation of cvs, I guess.  filter the output through a bit of hairy perl, I suppose
11:44.15petemcdaxxar: try /upgrade help ;)
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11:44.34daxxarpetemc: scripts don't work in unstable, i believe it is because irssi is compiled with libperl5.8.3, but most recent package is libperl5.8.4
11:44.37daxxar;-)
11:44.42petemcdaxxar: ah right
11:44.48daxxarpetemc: no, i don't want to kill my irssi binary.
11:44.52petemcheh
11:44.59daxxarneither disconnect nor make it try to execute the 'help' binary.
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11:45.11daxxar(and probably die trying)
11:45.23petemcit kills irssi, aye
11:45.38CokepeterS: surely there must be a way to filter the output through CVS.
11:45.43nathanhwho here has been doing mono programming?
11:45.52CokepeterS: I can't be the only one who wants a view of modifications during a certain period.
11:46.00peterSnathanh: I for one have .NOT
11:46.03eswhat is the file that show up the welcome message when you login with ssh?
11:46.10petemces: /etc.issue
11:46.13petemcbah
11:46.14nathanhes: /etc/issue
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11:46.47nathanhor is it /etc/motd
11:46.49nathanhi can never remember
11:47.01peterSnathanh: issue is printed before you log in, motd after
11:47.14nathanhpeterS, ahh, thank you
11:47.14esnathanh: petemc: it was /etc/motd thanks
11:47.28xamnathanh: just make a symlink to issue, it will solve your confusion ;)
11:47.33petemces: thats after you login, /etc/issue is for the login banner
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11:47.42nathanhxam: symlink it to /dev/zero and add to everybody elses confusion
11:47.47petemcas peterS just said :|
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11:47.58xamnathanh: bah. /dev/urandom
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11:48.27nathanhrumor has it that /dev/urandom is actually a #debian irc transcript
11:48.35peterSnathanh: note also, sshd uses /etc/issue.net, if anything - but I seem to remember it doesn't even use that
11:48.47Guerinnathanh: just hashed over a few times
11:48.52simonrvnit does. or you can have it use it
11:48.53espetemc: and the line "Last login: Mon May 10 17:37:14 2004 from ..."
11:48.54xamnathanh: not quite ... it's rot13 encoded aswell
11:49.14petemces: utmp i think
11:49.32peterSes: you can suppress that by creating an empty file in $HOME called .hushlogin
11:49.35nathanhtriple-rot13
11:49.36peterSes: at least, that works on some setups
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11:49.40nathanhits replacing AES as the new standard
11:49.56xamGuerin: why? don't you use unicode ?
11:49.59peterSGuerin: true.  slashdot has some informed commentary from time to time
11:50.00simonrvnon some days, you gotta wonder
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11:50.17daxxaris there any package for clamav for exim? i found a spamassassin for exim, but can't see anything for clamav
11:50.20xampeterS: you mean +5 Funny ?
11:50.23GuerinpeterS: from time <----------------------------------------------------------------------> time
11:50.43peterSxam: that too
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11:50.58peterSGuerin: I didn't say it was *often*
11:50.58GuerinpeterS: whereas, i learn something almost every time I read #debian
11:51.05xamGuerin: from time <--1997-2002-now----------------------------------------------------> time
11:51.09leOndaxxar: try mailscanner
11:51.11GuerinOI expect that will change as I come to know more than 0
11:51.21daxxarleOn: ok
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11:51.29simonrvndaxxar: exim4-daemon-heavy has exiscan built in. it has hooks to link in clamav to it
11:51.32leOndaxxar: http://www.open-sauce.org.uk/linux/mail/mailscanner.htm
11:51.39espetemc: .hushlogin supress all also the motd
11:51.39nathanhare we speaking welsh now... OI hoive a nuw toi
11:51.45daxxarmerci simonrvn, leOn
11:52.02leOndaxxar: there's always more than a way to skin a cat
11:52.03leOn=)
11:52.14l^rchkrn/* - * - *
11:52.15Guerinnathanh: Yoir de expe't, boyo
11:52.21l^rchkrn<PROTECTED>
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11:52.27xamdaxxar: how can you skin a cat twice?
11:52.34elshaalo all
11:52.37cldhello:)
11:52.53nathanhGuerin, naught t't moi boi
11:52.57cldhow to delete all messages from INBOX in pine ?
11:53.00marsucould somebody tell me how to use a screendump on /dev/pts/x ? Else, do you know the right soft ?
11:53.03g4ltpeterS it's kind of like making Hassenfeffer, only much easier to deal with the ears
11:53.06daxxarxam: *points at leOn*
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11:53.18daxxari think i'll do the mailsacnner technique :)
11:53.49xamdaxxar: sorry, i thought ou were his bot
11:54.53daxxarxam: what the heck? :P
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11:55.23xammarsu: perhaps you could use 'screen' ...
11:56.13marsuxam: i'm going to read the man
11:56.21thomas_adamGuerin: A cooked what/
11:56.22marsuxam: thanks ;)
11:56.27leOndaxxar: exiscan could be a nice approax too, since it was made thinking of exim ...
11:56.27thomas_adams/\/$/\?/
11:56.35leOnnever tried that one
11:56.39xammarsu: start screen, run the app, and you can do a 'screenshot' ...
11:56.41Guerinthomas_adam: hare with pepper
11:56.46petemcexim4-daemon-heavy negates the need for exiscan
11:56.50leOnapproach, even ...
11:56.56thomas_adamGuerin: eww
11:57.01Guerinthomas_adam: and wine and mushrooms and bacon
11:57.07thomas_adamGuerin: mmmm
11:57.15thomas_adamGuerin: That sounds a little nicer.
11:57.22Guerinthomas_adam: it's aaaalll good, let me tell ya
11:57.25Guerinif a bit tough
11:57.30marsuxam: ho... but y wanted to make a 'screenshot' of ssh sessions :/
11:57.32thomas_adam~eat hasenpfeffer
11:57.34aptACTION eats hasenpfeffer and falls over dead
11:57.43Guerinmust be alllergic
11:57.48thomas_adamhehe
11:58.17ricky_clarksonthomas_adam: You should get a TV.
11:58.22xammarsu: ? i don't understand ...
11:58.26thomas_adam!britsmite ricky_clarkson
11:58.36thomas_adamricky_clarkson: Why's that?
11:58.44nathanhmmm, crabpaste
11:58.47nathanhgotta love that stuff
11:58.49ricky_clarksonthomas_adam: If you watch Trisha in the mornings you will discover how good your life is.
11:58.52thomas_adamlol @ dpkg. sussudio, you do make me laugh. :)
11:59.00thomas_adamricky_clarkson: foff.
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11:59.11ricky_clarksonthomas_adam: glost
11:59.20marsuxam: i want to see the 'screen' of a ssh sessions
11:59.24Guerinheh
11:59.28Coke!britsmite me
11:59.37Coke"britsmite"?!
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11:59.48streuner!blairsmite
11:59.48nathanhbritish smiting
11:59.49ricky_clarksonCoke: It's sussudio's idea of humour.
11:59.52GuerinCoke: there are many kinds of smite
11:59.54marsuxam: when users log in on my computer with ssh, I would like to see what they are doing
12:00.00ricky_clarkson!smite sussudio
12:00.01petemcmarsu: the sessions of people using screen?
12:00.05Cokewhy would strawberries and cream be especially british?
12:00.08Guerin!fruitsmite Coke
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12:00.26xammarsu: well, start screen in their .profile ;)
12:00.26marsupetemc: no, they use the ssh server
12:00.35marsuxam: arf ^^;
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12:00.44petemcmarsu: so, you want to spy on people logged in with ssh?
12:00.55marsumarsu: in a way ^^;
12:00.57xammarsu: then you can attach remotely to the screen session and look what they are doing ... ;)
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12:01.11petemcmarsu: only wau i know os make them use screen
12:01.12Guerinmarsu: why not just give them no more perms than they need and be happy in the knowledge they can do no harm?
12:01.18marsumarsu: now I need to see what a user is doing on Vi.. she's learning programmation
12:01.25g4ltmarsu try a MITM attack
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12:01.47ricky_clarksonmarsu: try peering over her shoulder.
12:01.55rm-Rfi have a problem to install transcode from http://marillat.free.fr/ problem of dependencies. any one here had this problem?
12:01.58xampetemc: well, you could also use 'expect' ... but would be an akward script
12:01.59nathanhtempest!
12:02.00BadMemI have been having problems with a machine and ran memtest on it... only tests 5 and 6 report errors ( [Block move, 64 moves, cached] and [Modulo 20, ones&zeros, cached]
12:02.01petemcmarsu: get them to use screen, then as root - chown user `tty`; su - user ; screen -x
12:02.03BadMemsorry
12:02.04marsuGuerin: that's not SPYING, but if I want to help them when they use Vi while programming, I need to see
12:02.10petemcxam: huh?
12:02.12ricky_clarksonpetemc: Nice.
12:02.16nathanhstuff this electronic snooping, get back to good old electromagnetic wave theory
12:02.20streunerrm-Rf: no
12:02.26petemcricky_clarkson: useful :)
12:02.44marsupetemc: so I need to make them launch screen at the login
12:02.53petemcmarsu: yeah
12:02.56rm-Rfstreuner: i put the url in the apt source file .
12:03.01streunerrm-Rf: check out your sources.list again and run apt-get update
12:03.04BadMemI have been having problems with a machine and ran memtest on it... only tests 5 and 6 report errors ( [Block move, 64 moves, cached] and [Modulo 20, ones&zeros, cached], respectively)... How can I determine if this is a memory module problem or a cache/other builtin memory issue? Could this be because a bad clock speed? (the CPU is running at 1GHz, it's supposed to be a 1.33GHz)
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12:03.15marsupetemc: ok, I'll try so ^^
12:03.18marsupetemc: thanks ;)
12:03.21petemcthats the spirit
12:03.23ricky_clarksonpetemc: That makes me think, hmm, the admin of the box I'm using for IRC could easily do that.
12:03.30xampetemc: you can write a expect script that loggs every input to a file transparently
12:03.32petemcricky_clarkson: he could
12:03.41ricky_clarksonpetemc: I won't be telling him then.
12:04.02xammarsu no problem ...
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12:04.15petemcxam: script already does that
12:04.20petemcricky_clarkson: best not :)
12:04.50rm-Rf<PROTECTED>
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12:05.13petemcisnt transcode part of mplayer?
12:05.19streunerrm-Rf: dont flood here
12:05.21petemcrm-Rf: do you have marillat sources?
12:05.22rm-Rfi don't know
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12:05.29rm-Rfi don't flood
12:05.32streuner!find liba52
12:05.32xampetemc does it also catch passwords etc? I avoided script so far
12:05.53rm-Rfdid apt-get update and it works fine
12:06.05petemcxam: dunno, i have no need to catch passwords
12:06.06rm-Rfthis is unstable
12:06.08streunerstrange, that you can't install xterm...
12:06.08dpkgDebian Search of 'liba52' (3 shown): (/usr/lib/liba52-0.7.4.so) in libs/liba52-0.7.4 ;; (/usr/share/doc/liba52-0.7.4-dev/liba52.txt.gz, /usr/lib/{liba52.a|liba52.la|liba52.so}) in libdevel/liba52-0.7.4-dev ;; (/usr/lib/vlc/codec/liba52_plugin.so, /usr/lib/vlc/demux/liba52sys_plugin.so, /usr/lib/vlc/audio_filter/{liba52tofloat32_plugin.so|liba52tospdif_plugin.so}) in graphics/vlc.
12:06.14asgrm-Rf: then check the bts
12:06.28rm-Rfasg: bts?
12:06.30petemctransode wouldnt be in the bts, its not a debian package
12:06.31asgrm-Rf: /topic
12:06.33streuner!bts
12:06.33dpkgwell, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs
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12:06.41xampetemc neither do I ... I have access to a 100 node cluster and 'john'
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12:06.49streunerpetemc: but lib52a
12:06.50asgpetemc: true
12:07.16streunerpetemc: liba52...
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12:07.47rm-Rfnow every package i want to install i get this huge depends list
12:07.53rm-Rfgawk, xterm ...
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12:08.06streunerrm-Rf: so you run unstable?
12:08.13rm-Rfi get E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
12:08.16devoteI'm getting an error message while setting up Freenet6 : ioctl: No buffer space available. what does this mean ?
12:08.31rm-Rfunstable
12:08.52streunerrm-Rf: show me your sources.list in #flood
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12:14.48devotedoes anyone here have experience with the error message "ioctl: No buffer space available" concerning the command /sbin/ip for setting up a IPV6-over-IPV4 tunnel ?
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12:15.01koofiIs there a real audio player for linux ?
12:15.10asgkoofi: yes
12:15.12simonrvndevote: have ipv6 support?
12:15.13arkainehow can i make a file -rw-rw---- ?
12:15.14koofihi asg
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12:15.20asghi koofi
12:15.25simonrvnarkaine: info chmod
12:15.25asgarkaine: chmod 660 file
12:15.32koofiis there an apt package i dl or what ?
12:15.39arkainethanks both!
12:15.43koofiit's .wax format
12:15.47koofii think that's real audio
12:16.06asgkoofi: well, you can use mplayer or download the real audio community unix player from real.com
12:16.07devotesimonrvn : yes I do. the strange thing is, I got the tunnel working, but I forgot to compile Iptables-ipv6 support, to I recompiled my kernel with iptables-ipv6 support, and now I get this "no buffer space available" error message when trying to set up the tunnel
12:16.35rm-Rfstreuner: i ran apt-get -f install and it did installed some stuff, but now when i run apt-get install transcode i get a smaller list of dependencies?!
12:16.39koofithanks
12:17.10streunerrm-Rf: did you edit your sources.list?
12:17.12simonrvndevote: which device are you trying to create? sit0, or sit1? don't try using sit0
12:17.31devotesimonrvn : damn I'm using sit0 :( so I switch it to sit1 ?
12:17.38rm-Rfstreuner: i marked up the otnet.gr and left just the merillat
12:17.56simonrvndevote: yeh, sit1. some weird issue with using sit0, i can't recall what
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12:18.06streunerrm-Rf: run 'apt-setup'
12:18.11devotesimonrvn: you're my hero. it works now :)
12:18.17h2khow can i configure X fonts?
12:18.23simonrvndevote: nah, went through the same thing ;)
12:18.25asgh2k: /msg dpkg font guide
12:18.30asg!hero simonrvn
12:18.43devotesimonrvn: thanks man. this is like the 5th time you're helping me out in my whole debian career :)
12:18.48rm-Rfstreuner: and...
12:19.01streunerrm-Rf: and?
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12:19.09simonrvnheh. i'm sure others have helped you too
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12:19.42rm-Rfstreuner: this is the same, i have already did it and left just the line of marillat
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12:20.18asgwaannnnggg
12:20.29koofiapt-get don't see mplayer,  should it ?
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12:21.34thomas_adam!tell koofi about marillat
12:21.38aZ[a]ZeLmy hard drive light is flashing, but I can't work out what's doing it
12:21.47Guerinsimonrvn: excuse my muppetude, but why do you use an @ when most use a ! ?
12:21.49aZ[a]ZeLand top shows most of my cpu being used, but I can't see a process that's using it
12:21.55simonrvnGuerin: 'nothr bot
12:22.02thomas_adam@hello
12:22.02simonrvn'nother even
12:22.03ravenbirdHI, thomas_adam!
12:22.07nathanhaZ[a]ZeL, if you have 2.6.6
12:22.12thomas_adam@what are you
12:22.12nathanhaZ[a]ZeL, turn on laptop_mode
12:22.12ravenbirdI am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot>
12:22.13simonrvndamn irssi-text is a fast build
12:22.16nathanhaZ[a]ZeL, and block_something
12:22.17g4ltaZ[a]ZeL lsof or fuser
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12:22.26aZ[a]ZeLits ok, I think it was xmms
12:22.26nathanhaZ[a]ZeL, and then dmesg shows you all disk access, and the process... its awesome
12:22.38Guerinsimonrvn: ah, I see
12:22.38aZ[a]ZeLI closed xmms and now it's stopped
12:22.45nathanhactually, you probably dont need laptop_mode, but its part of that patch
12:22.48aZ[a]ZeLscary, I always think someone has r00ted me
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12:23.01aZ[a]ZeLnathanh: cool
12:23.26GuerinaZ[a]ZeL: I get moments like that - like err, WTF?
12:23.34nathanhits /proc/sys/vm/block_dump
12:23.37nathanhset it to 1 and watch the fun
12:23.45GuerinaZ[a]ZeL: I normally kill evolution, gaim and bmp and I'm sorted again
12:23.54aZ[a]ZeLGuerin: heh, yeah
12:24.03nathanhexim3(4293): dirtied file
12:24.03nathanhbash(3625): dirtied file
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12:26.01madduckthe #irssi channel is strangely quiet... is there anyone here using irssi and SSL to connect to freenode? priv /msg appreciated...
12:26.14simonrvnyay, my scripts work :)
12:26.23daxxarwhat scripts? :-P
12:26.44simonrvnirssi scripts
12:26.55simonrvni built irssi-text locally
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12:26.59asgsimonrvn: :)
12:27.01nathanhhahaha on fark
12:27.03nathanhHigh school bans book on censorship. Book burning at 11
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12:27.36simonrvnhey, started showing the channel modes again, too
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12:27.44simonrvn#debian(+LPcflnt 749)
12:27.49asgnathanh: haha on wired.com, a patent for exercising a cat and a kick your own butt machine
12:27.55daxxarsimonrvn: mind sending me the bin? ;)
12:27.59nathanhasg: huh?
12:28.01simonrvnpowerpc
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12:28.03sway_im trying 2 get mysql server going, installed it with apt-get install.. it doesnt seem to have created a mysql database.. ran the mysql_install_db manually...still no mysql database ...
12:28.04nathanhwhat is wired.com :-P
12:28.06sway_help?
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12:28.08daxxarsimonrvn: dang.
12:28.14asgnathanh: the website for wired magazine
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12:28.22Scarsis there any command that checks the whole hdd and removes all files that starts or contain a special name in the filename?
12:28.25nathanhasg: what is wired magazine :-P
12:28.33simonrvndaxxar: fakeroot debian/rules binary. that's all i did
12:28.33nkuttlersway_: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/*
12:28.36nathanhscar: yes
12:28.47asgnathanh: a sci-fi / science / culture rag
12:28.48nathanhscar: find / -name '*specialchar*' -exec rm {} \;
12:28.50simonrvndaxxar: besides the apt-get source irssi-text
12:28.58nathanhasg: what is sci-fi / science / culture :-P
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12:29.06asg!kill nathanh
12:29.20daxxarsimonrvn: okay, cool. :-)
12:29.32nathanhyour name confuses me with ASL
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12:29.35streuner~blairsmite nathanh
12:29.37aptACTION spins nathanh at 3000000000 rpm, while telling him that Wales could attack within 30 minutes repeatedly.
12:29.37simonrvndaxxar: and don't /ver me. thanks
12:29.47daxxarsimonrvn: no problem. ;-)
12:29.51nathanhi keep getting flashbacks to the early days of usenet
12:29.55TheCoolSnailumm...Can any one explain me how to configure my ADSL (Alcatel SpeedTouch Home) modem with 3Com OnBoard ethernet?
12:29.58ricky_clarksonI think I put blairsmite in.
12:30.04ricky_clarksonHow can I tell?
12:30.09asgnathanh: hah
12:30.12simonrvnricky_clarkson: factinfo
12:30.15asgricky_clarkson: factinfo
12:30.17wumingafter i make menuconfig my 2.6 kernel , do i need to make-dpkg the modules_image or  just the kernel image
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12:30.31nathanhwuming: just kernel image these days
12:30.31simonrvnricky_clarkson: that's just plain icky, it would be like having a gwbsmite
12:30.42nkuttlerwuming: and use make-kpkg
12:30.47asg!qotd8
12:30.47dpkg"Last time someone listened to a Bush, people wandered in the desert for 40 years."
12:30.49wuminghow about those modules
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12:30.57FieldySnutsheh!
12:31.01simonrvnasg: :)
12:31.01wumingthey will be loaded automaticly
12:31.04nkuttlerwuming: in-kernel modules? or in /usr/src/modules/?
12:31.07ricky_clarksondpkg factinfo cmd: blairsmite (.*?)
12:31.08dpkgCMD: blairsmite (.*?) -- created by ricky_clarkson <~ricky@host-0141.bh.salford.ac.uk> at Wed Nov 26 13:38:37 2003 (166 days).
12:31.08FieldySnuts!qotd3
12:31.11sbk_Scars: um, make sure specialchar isn't the "*" character :-) and do a -print first just in case
12:31.20nathanhsbk: you're no fun
12:31.27nathanhi wanted to see scars disappear off the channel
12:31.40FieldySnuts!lose nathanh
12:31.42dpkgnathanh: You Lose.
12:31.42asgnathanh: then tell him about the /server joke
12:31.47TheCoolSnailHELLLP :S
12:31.50wumingnkuttler, kernel modules..like alsa modules in kernel 2.6
12:31.52asg!help
12:31.53FieldySnutsor the pretty lights with /disco
12:31.57TheCoolSnail!help
12:31.58TheCoolSnail?
12:32.06FieldySnutsbadgerwangtekkk
12:32.15nkuttlerwuming: kernel_image
12:32.23asgFieldySnuts: kyocerawang
12:32.25Scarsnathan: hmm may I ask what have I done?
12:32.30FieldySnutsthat's a new one
12:32.31simonrvnthere's 'help!', and then there's '!help'. which do you prefer?
12:32.32daxxar!find dh_testdir
12:32.33daxxarhrm.
12:32.39dpkgDebian Search of 'dh_testdir' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/dh_testdir) in devel/debhelper.
12:32.40nathanhscar: ? nothing, the answer i gave was what you wanted
12:32.41asgFieldySnuts: yeah, our copier just went tits up.
12:32.42nathanhscar: honest
12:32.44daxxarmerci dpkg.-
12:32.46simonrvndaxxar: debhelper
12:32.49FieldySnuts~say dpkg: lart asg
12:32.51aptdpkg: lart asg
12:32.56TheCoolSnaila lil snail asks for help :(
12:32.58aZ[a]ZeLhehhe, bash.org is classic
12:33.07simonrvnTheCoolSnail: just ask your question
12:33.07TheCoolSnailand no one cares...
12:33.08Scarsnathan: "<nathanh> i wanted to see scars disappear off the channel"
12:33.09FieldySnutsaZ[a]ZeL: yeah
12:33.11TheCoolSnailumm...Can any one explain me how to configure my ADSL (Alcatel SpeedTouch Home) modem with 3Com OnBoard ethernet?
12:33.13GuerinaZ[a]ZeL: I have lost many an eve to that
12:33.24nathanhscars: it was a joke, dont mind me
12:33.32PenixTheCoolSnail: no one cares because you're asking a stupid question
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12:33.36GuerinaZ[a]ZeL: I even found one of my friends being made fun of in one thing there, but I lost it ...
12:33.44FieldySnutshaha
12:33.46TheCoolSnailSorry for being a newbie..
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12:33.53nathanhTheCoolSnail, its not really a debian question
12:33.54asgaZ[a]ZeL: http://bash.org/?241729/ is still my favoriite
12:33.55FieldySnutsdpkg's badgerbadgerbadger is in there
12:33.56Penixit has nothing to do with being a "newbie"
12:33.57asgs/ii/i/
12:33.59FieldySnutsdpkg: badgers?
12:34.00dpkghttp://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/21/. See also, http://bash.org/?241729/.
12:34.00nathanhTheCoolSnail, why dont you read the manual with your adsl modem?
12:34.03FieldySnutshttp://bash.org/?241729/
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12:34.19TheCoolSnailarg...I have problems with the ethernet...
12:34.27nkuttlerTheCoolSnail: google for both
12:34.44nkuttlerTheCoolSnail: for the nic, what does lspci say?
12:34.46sway_read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/..
12:34.48asgTheCoolSnail: check the faq (/msg dpkg faq) for more information on getting your ethernet set up.
12:34.50sway_doesnt help
12:34.50streunerTheCoolSnail: /msg dpkg interfaces
12:34.55FieldySnutsPenix :)
12:35.00nkuttlersway_: read /usr/share/doc/mysql-*/*
12:35.07asgsway_: mysqladmin create <database>
12:35.08sway_grr!
12:35.12daxxarhm, i found a bug on bash.org! http://bash.org/?241729/ gives you "QUOTE DATABASE" in upper right corner, but http://bash.org/?241729 gives you "QUOTE #241729"
12:35.19nkuttlersway_: or even better, install mysql-doc
12:35.25sway_asg: im supposed to start off having a mysql database tho right?
12:35.32sway_but i have only a test databse
12:35.35asgsway_: no, only mysql and test are created by default
12:35.36g4ltdaxxar BFD
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12:35.41esTheCoolSnail: be more specific about your problem maybe more plp can you help
12:35.45sway_i dont even have mysql
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12:35.48sway_only test
12:35.54FieldySnuts!analintrude asg
12:36.01Guerindaxxar: not for me
12:36.01asgsway_: that's not right, what version of debian are you running?
12:36.06devotewhat is the command to show which process is bound to which port ?
12:36.10aZ[a]ZeLhmm I wonder if I'm up there somewhere
12:36.13nathanhdevote: netstat -lnp
12:36.16asgFieldySnuts: that'll wake you up in the morning
12:36.16simonrvns/pooper/pooper-scooper/
12:36.23sway_erm
12:36.23FieldySnutsheh
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12:36.47barbisxcan i ask you a question??
12:36.50asgsway_: odd, try reinstalling (apt-get install --reinstall mysql-server)
12:36.53asgbarbisx: sure
12:36.55Fubarovici did a dist-upgrade and now webmin won't work anymore: broken Sys/hostname.pm
12:36.56daxxaroh, weird. ;-P
12:36.58libvbarbisx: you just did
12:37.01asgFubarovic: check the bts.
12:37.06Fubarovicbts?
12:37.08asgFubarovic: /topic
12:37.13barbisxlibw lol
12:37.14Fubarovicah
12:37.30devotenathanh: yeah but I once knew a command, which had an argument like tcp/22 and it would give me the PID of the program running on that port
12:37.35asgdevote: fuser
12:37.42devoteah yeah ash! that was it :) thanks
12:37.43asgdevote: and its fuser -v 22/tcp
12:37.48barbisxim under debian testing and when i lunch gkrellm i cant mouve my mouse
12:37.49asgs/its/it's/
12:37.49devotethanks asg :)
12:37.50TheCoolSnailI tried to install the linux drivers from the cd but I've some errors...Unresolved Symbol (free_irq_Rsmp_f20blahblah, pci_tree_consistent.........)
12:37.51asgdevote: :)
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12:38.17skipperkongencan i use cfdisk to change partiontypes without corrupting the data on the partitions? from 83 to fd..
12:38.19libvTheCoolSnail: that is because your module does not match the kernel
12:38.35libvTheCoolSnail: never install vendor modules blindly
12:38.35TheCoolSnailIt sais 2.4 and I have 2.4.18-383...
12:38.51barbisxdo u have an idea??
12:38.52libvTheCoolSnail: and?
12:38.59greycat!any ideas
12:39.00dpkgYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a box of string, a little WD-40, and a dozen sex-crazed hamsters.  And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes!
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12:39.17asgbarbisx: you might check the bts, but it sounds like some add hardware conflict with a probe gkrellm is doing.
12:39.23TheCoolSnail.......shouldn't drivers for 2.4 work with 2.4.18-383?!
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12:39.34TheCoolSnail\=
12:39.36greycatTheCoolSnail: drivers in source code format, or object code?
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12:39.38libvTheCoolSnail: this is the open source world
12:39.39barbisxasg thanks ill check taht
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12:39.41TheCoolSnailsrc
12:39.42GuerinTheCoolSnail: it has to be for the exact version you're using
12:39.50strerrorcan anyone point me to the key things on a linux nfs client to change to increase the amount of local caching that is going on
12:39.52greycatTheCoolSnail: what error did you encounter while compiling it?
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12:40.04Julianogreycat: hi
12:40.06TheCoolSnailUnresolved Symbol (free_irq_Rsmp_f20blahblah, pci_tree_consistent.........)
12:40.10libvTheCoolSnail: besides, that module seems to require a symbol from an SMP kernel
12:40.34greycatTheCoolSnail: are you sure you pointed it at the right kernel-headers tree?
12:40.36koofimy perms are   -rwxr--r--  so why can't i run this as root?     # ./rp7_linux_alpha_debianslink_cs2.bin    bash: ./rp7_linux_alpha_debianslink_cs2.bin: cannot execute binary file
12:40.42TheCoolSnailI think so..'
12:40.45greycatkoofi: because you're not on an alpha.
12:40.46libvTheCoolSnail: meaning that whatever idiot built that module, he built it against an SMP setup
12:40.51koofiahh
12:40.56snokehow i deny mail from outside to root in sendmail ?
12:41.08greycatsnoke: ask #sendmail
12:41.22TheCoolSnailumm..sec
12:41.23koofigreycat, you're so smart !   thanks
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12:43.11skipperkongencan i use cfdisk to change partiontypes without corrupting the data on the partitions? from 83 to fd..
12:43.27chinaskihow can I install woody on a SATA disk ?
12:43.42skipperkongen... part of setting up my raid
12:43.42libvchinaski: you can build your own bootfloppies
12:43.47asgchinaski: /msg dpkg custom netinst
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12:44.07g4ltchinaski very carefully.  use the sarge installer betas instead
12:44.25skipperkongenthe cfdisk -t changes fs type, but what are the dangers?
12:44.28tarzeaui have a mail account and a virtual domain with exim, that i accept mail for and i don't want to store it on my mailserver just forward it to another mail address, the .forward i have doesn't seem to work, can i do something with .procmailrc?
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12:44.34g4ltasg SATA implies a 2.6 kernel, which is VERY problematic in woody
12:44.35chinaskibut I don't want to install sarge
12:44.36koofican anyone tell me what plug in i need to run thishttp://find.thestreet.com/cgi-bin/texis/rmyradio/    Today's Show.  I installed Real Player for Unix but that doen'st seem to be what it needs.
12:44.43asgg4lt: true
12:44.47chinaskioh, really?
12:44.56g4ltchinaski then don't do it.
12:44.57chinaskisata implies 2.6 kernel?
12:45.05daxxarthanks a lot, simonrvn =)
12:45.09TheCoolSnailbrb
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12:45.15g4ltchinaski SATA in 2.4 kernels is an afteerthought at best
12:45.23asgtarzeau: you should be able to, see man procmailex for examples.
12:45.33sbk_skipperkongen: changing the partition type per-se is reasonably safe (in that it's easily reversible, all it does is change a byte)
12:45.39l^rchkrntarzeau: linuks.mine.nu down?
12:46.10tarzeaul^rchkrn: no, why?
12:46.12sbk_skipperkongen: things that rely on the partition type do do stuff might conceivably stop working (booting, perhaps)
12:46.14simonrvndaxxar: :)
12:46.20l^rchkrntarzeau: Seemed so.
12:46.29tarzeaul^rchkrn: it works fine here, was it slow?
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12:46.40l^rchkrnTimed out in Mozilla.
12:46.43l^rchkrn:-\
12:46.47tarzeaul^rchkrn: do you live in turkey?
12:46.49l^rchkrntarzeau: I'll try again...
12:46.52skipperkongensbk: ok, so I could use cfdisk -t fd <partition> ?
12:46.54l^rchkrntarzeau: No :-D
12:47.05tarzeaul^rchkrn: maybe something is wrong with your network or the internet
12:47.11asgl^rchkrn: works fine here
12:47.23wumingi should configure ACPI or APM in kernel?
12:47.24tarzeaumy machine runs happily, it's debian. even my hurd box runs, uptime or so 6 weeks
12:47.35tarzeaubob2: you here? my hurd uptime is more than 6 WEEKS!
12:47.38l^rchkrnasg, tarzeau: Still doesnt load here :-\
12:47.44sbk_skipperkongen: not familiar with cfdisk, can't answer that one I'm afraid
12:47.48l^rchkrn:-\
12:47.49asgl^rchkrn: can you ping it?
12:47.51tarzeaul^rchkrn: what does linuks.mine.nu resolve to?
12:47.54asgl^rchkrn: do a traceroute
12:47.55skipperkongensbk: what tool would you use?
12:48.00l^rchkrnOkay, wait...
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12:48.21l^rchkrntarzeau: 80.219.64.151
12:48.29asgl^rchkrn: that's what I get
12:48.37chinaskiis hurd functional?
12:48.38tarzeaul^rchkrn: that's right. can you just telnet it?
12:48.40l^rchkrntarzeau: Cannot ping (No replys)
12:48.42sbk_skipperkongen: I use fdisk; but not for any noble or wise reason :-) it's just what I happen to use
12:48.42tarzeauchinaski: very
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12:48.49tarzeaul^rchkrn: got a firewall?
12:48.51chinaskihum
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12:49.15tarzeauchinaski: http://hurd.she.kicks-ass.org:8084/
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12:49.18skipperkongensbk: i looked at man fdisk, but could find an option for changing fs type
12:49.20sbk_skipperkongen: if the cfdisk manual says all it does is change the partition type, then it ought to be okay. If you want to be anally safe, take a backup of the first sector of the disk
12:49.24tarzeauthere new K6 mini iso images since today!
12:49.38l^rchkrntarzeau: Yes, but I could telnet linuks.mine.nu yesterday or so... With the same firewall. Gives a sources.list with finnish mirrors right?
12:49.38greycatskipperkongen: fdisk does not create file systems.  It creates partitions.
12:49.49Guerintarzeau: I get "Access denied to system because of URL Filter Configuration." on that ip
12:49.49tarzeaul^rchkrn: yes :)
12:50.07tarzeauGuerin: blame the guy who configured your url filter
12:50.08skipperkongensbk: ok, thanks
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12:50.42Guerintarzeau: indeed
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12:51.03devoteI have ipv6 set up correctly, and I'm using Freenet6. my ifconfig output looks right, but still I can't seem to access or ping any ipv6 site.
12:51.13Guerintarzeau: but linuks.mine.nu works just peachy
12:51.15l^rchkrntarzeau, asg: traceroute block at 4th hop, which doesnt resolve, doesnt even have an ip...
12:51.21tarzeaul^rchkrn: can you try with a anonymizer like pornolize.com ?
12:51.22petemcdevote: using ping6?
12:51.22Penixbah. I just downloaded the K5 mini iso the other day
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12:51.46asgl^rchkrn: trace worked flawlessly here; where are you located?
12:51.46tarzeauPenix: heh :)
12:51.49devotepetemc: yeah
12:52.03l^rchkrnasg: Tried both from UK and hungary
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12:52.23asgl^rchkrn: some issue there then, East coast US has no problems atm.
12:52.29devotepetemc: I went as followed: compiled kernel with ipv6 support, installed freenet6, registered for an account, got an ipv6 address, set up sit1, so far so good. but what do I need to do now to get it working ?
12:52.46l^rchkrnasg, tarzeau: Well, now it seems working from UK...
12:52.54l^rchkrnStrange.
12:52.55asgl^rchkrn: cosmic rays
12:52.56Vincent_Kim trying to format a partition to FAT32.....  whats the command?
12:53.02l^rchkrntarzeau: Sorry for false alarm
12:53.08petemcdevote: it /should/ just work out of the box
12:53.09Vincent_Kdo i have to install enything
12:53.22petemcdevote: are you going through a firewall or proxy?
12:53.37devotepetemc: I am begind an SMC adsl router, with no firewall active
12:53.46asgVincent_K: /msg dpkg vfat
12:53.59sway_if i wanna go from using testing to stable..do i just change sources.list and apt-get upgrade ?
12:53.59petemcdevote: does it support protocol 41?
12:54.05asgsway_: /msg dpkg downgrade
12:54.05tarzeausway_: no
12:54.23sway_oh
12:54.42devotepetemc: no idea actually :/ do I need to make a certain configuration on the router? I've read something about needing to set up a static route to get ipv6 working
12:54.57l^rchkrnWorks from network-tools.com too. My ISP is crap!
12:55.06asg!lart l^rchkrn's ISP
12:55.18petemcdevote: it worked for me on an el cheapo router when i set it up to do bridging, not nat. further to that, i dont knoe
12:55.21petemcw
12:55.35devotepetemc: I'm using NAT on the router :/
12:55.49sway_shite
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12:55.55tarzeauasg: would :0 and ! toatsomewhere.else be enough?
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12:56.32asgtarzeau: should be, give it a try.
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12:56.56QerubIf I was to setup LVM today, would I go for LVM 1 or 2?
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13:01.28tarzeauasg: no nothing happens
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13:01.38asfourhallo
13:01.52Guerinasfour, you're back
13:01.59Guerinhello
13:02.04asfourja with another problem
13:02.08asfour:(
13:02.10Guerinare you prepared to be patient and civil this time?
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13:02.28asfour???
13:02.30tarzeauasg: which logfile should i check for .forward or .procmailrc ?
13:02.32asgtarzeau: is procmail even being called? /usr/sbin/exim -bt localaddress.
13:02.49Guerinasfour: go ahead, sorry
13:02.56SlayerXPasfour: anytime you make a channel etiquette mistake, I'll buzz you to let you know.
13:03.01tarzeau2004-05-11 15:02:39 1BNWsY-0006Ux-00 == sever@severreisen.ch T=remote_smtp defer (-44): retry time not reached for any host
13:03.05tarzeauwhat does this mean?
13:03.07Guerinasfour: i'm just touchy today
13:03.13SlayerXPasfour: BZT! Don't use excessive punctuation.
13:03.14asgtarzeau: dig severreisen.ch mx
13:03.28asfourwhat i have done ???
13:03.29asgtarzeau: make sure you can reach the resultant ip for the mail exchanger
13:03.31SlayerXPasfour: BZT! Don't use excessive punctuation.
13:03.32tarzeauasg: yes that's me
13:03.42tarzeauasg: yes i can
13:03.45devotepetemc: how do I know if my router supports protocol 41 ?
13:04.12asgtarzeau: so the mail is supposed to be sent to sever@severreisen.ch ?
13:04.25tarzeauyes i relay that mail and forward it to some free mailserver
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13:04.34Guerinasfour: like I said, go on
13:04.37tarzeauasg: i'm hosting www.severreisen.ch
13:05.04tarzeaubut the forwarding part doesn't work for some reason unknown to me
13:05.08asgtarzeau: ah, okay. Did /usr/sbin/exim -bt sever@severreisen.ch indicate that procmail was being called?
13:05.26greycattarzeau: did you tell your MTA that you are not only www.severreisen.ch but also severreisen.ch as well?
13:05.31tarzeau<PROTECTED>
13:05.35tarzeauoops that doesn't work
13:05.35greycattarzeau: MTAs need to be told these things.
13:05.42tarzeaulinuks.mine.nu should be 192.168.0something
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13:05.56tarzeaugreycat: how do i tell him that? by /etc/hosts ?
13:06.04dbronMUTT
13:06.09tarzeaugreycat: i only said exim3 that i relay severreisen.ch
13:06.12greycattarzeau: no, there should be a configuration file or parameter or option that says "The following domains are treated as local"
13:06.13tarzeauand it accepts mail for that
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13:07.06tarzeauoops no i had it not in that list, let me retry
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13:07.23greycattarzeau: the key word in your log file message was "remote" :)
13:07.39greycattarzeau: that indicated quite clearly that your MTA was trying to send that message out, rather than deliver it locally
13:08.04tarzeaugreycat: thank you so much
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13:09.39asfourhallo
13:09.47tarzeaucan i have two email addresses on two lines in .forward ?
13:09.52asfourcan any one tell me what i have done
13:10.06asfourhere ?
13:10.21Guerinasfour: if you tell us what you know, we'll tell you what we know
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13:10.24mentorasfour: Perhaps the people who were watching you do it?
13:10.53asfouri dint what i have done to kik me
13:10.58greycattarzeau: dunno... what does "man forward" tell you?
13:11.11greycat(in .qmail files, that would be "yes")
13:11.14asfourim some one like other need some helo
13:11.27asfoursome help
13:11.38mentorasfour: You weren't kicked...your connection dropped.
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13:11.54greycat09:07 = asfour [hpqyajioql@d154.apm.etc.tu-bs.de] quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
13:12.35asfouryes i know
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13:12.47archpolluxhi
13:12.54asfourbut someone have said asfour go onfrom here
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13:13.02greycatasfour: that means "continue"
13:13.05archpolluxwhy would kdm bring me back to kdm after i successfuly log in?
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13:13.16mentorarchpollux: No Session.
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13:13.24greycatarchpollux: look for error files in your home dir or ~/.kd*
13:13.25asfouranyway no problem
13:13.25archpollux..without starting anything else
13:13.35Sandis there a console music-player that'll handle mp3, vorbis, and flac?
13:13.36archpolluxmentor: no session?
13:13.40asfouri need help :D
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13:13.49mentorarchpollux: No xclients are run?
13:14.01asfourcan some one join me to #flood
13:14.05greycatSand: for file; do case "$file" in *.ogg) ogg123 "$file";; ....;; esac
13:14.06tombawarchpollux: no disk space ? (check with df -h)
13:14.07asfourplease
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13:14.29archpolluxmentor: no window/desktop managers are run and logs don't say anything
13:14.46mentorarchpollux: Yep...that sounds like the problem...
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13:15.37mentorasfour: I'm there; usually one just asks the question and pastes relevant stuff in #flood
13:15.56archpolluxtombaw: 11G free, anyway, startx works
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13:16.25asfourthanks montor
13:16.36tombawarchpollux: nothing in .xsession-errors  ?
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13:17.20archpolluxxdm works, so i'm assuming it's a kdm problem
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13:17.32archpolluxtombaw: no
13:17.45asfouri have trying to install exim4
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13:17.55asfourwithaot-get
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13:18.12greycatasfour: tell us what version of debian, and what *exact* command you typed, and what *exact* error you got.
13:18.14tombawarchpollux: not better after removing .Xauthority?
13:18.15nilsemy xmodmap got destroyed and i have som troubble getting it back with full function again, where can i find the default xmodmap ? to execute xmodmap file on ?
13:18.17archpolluxand crap, either the radeon fb driver sucks, or my card sux
13:18.24asfourevry things is ok but aftre the configuration scree i have those messages
13:18.25Kempston|i have several ide devices and several ide controllers
13:18.39archpolluxif i switch from X to console then back to X, i get a greenish color or a pinkish one
13:18.41Kempston|how can i find out which controoler particular device belongs ?
13:19.01archpolluxKempston|: lspci -v
13:19.18abrotmanKempston|: dmesg perhaps?
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13:19.33abrotmanasfour: dont flood here .. use #flood
13:19.34archpolluxanyway, going to freakin X
13:20.05mentorasfour: you missed him...he flooded off the server.
13:20.05asfourahhhhh soooorry
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13:20.40asfouri have put the messages inthe wrong screen sorry agin
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13:21.16greycatgods, what a moron
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13:21.38asfourhey the same in #flood
13:21.39abrotmanasfour: wanna try again .. in #flood this time?
13:21.44greycatabrotman: no!
13:21.52greycatasfour: you're being kicked by the IRC SERVER, not because of the channel.
13:21.54mentorabrotman: He's already doing it in flood
13:22.02greycatasfour: your client sucks.
13:22.11abrotmangreycat: let him try again :)
13:22.11greycatasfour: try posting your message on a web page somewhere, then give us the URL
13:22.24greycatabrotman: I'm getting tired of seeing the "(Excess Flood)" lines.
13:22.41rm-Rfstreuner: are you here?
13:22.47abrotmangreycat: but they're fun
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13:23.11asfourill cut the massage for three part ok
13:23.46Zero4ZeroAnyone willing to answer a question about hybserv?
13:23.51ricky_clarksonasfour: Fucking go to fucking pastebin.com you fucking moron.
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13:23.56greycat!tell Zero4Zero about ask
13:23.59esI woody I have installed libc6 2.2.5-11.5 but I need 2.3. is it possible to use this version? what this involves?
13:24.09greycates: /msg dpkg stable->testing
13:24.20Zero4Zero^^
13:24.28Guerinricky_clarkson: do I hear the word "twat" welling up inside you?
13:24.40rm-Rfi'm trying to get 'transcode' working from marillat. i get dependecis of libs that are not in marillat like libmagick6 libsdl1.2debian ... what whould i do?
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13:25.03asfourok what is the problem now??
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13:25.05Zero4ZeroIts a bit off topic, but does anyone know how to get the m_svsnick.c to compile with hybserv 1.8 ?
13:25.17ricky_clarksonGuerin: Potentially.
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13:25.31esI don't want to switch all woody to sarge just glibc is it possible or I'm making stupid questions?
13:25.38ricky_clarksonasfour: If you flood the IRC network, the network thinks you are doing evil things so it kicks you off, automatically.
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13:25.44Guerines: impossible
13:25.52mechan0rwho's responsible for the menu-methods I wanna where to send a fix
13:25.57tombawwhat could cause a console freeze in txt mode? Everything is ok (ssh etc) but screen dont react to mouse/keyb.
13:26.04abrotmanes: too many things depend on glibc .. upgrading that could potentially break a lot of stuff
13:26.22abrotmantombaw: cntrl-q
13:26.23esok thanks
13:26.28abrotmantombaw: maybe
13:26.35Qerubmechan0r: dpkg -s etc/menu-methods
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13:27.27tombawabrotman: nope. Even ctrl-alt-Fx dont switch console (screen seems froozen on previous commands)
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13:27.58tombawI never saw that before. Perhaps bad vga support (Trident Blade 3D pci)
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13:28.37abrotmanPenix: that wasn't pretty
13:28.47mechan0rthat gave me nada
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13:29.01mick_laptopanyone know if someone builds .debs from the latest PHP5 RC2 release?
13:29.11mechan0rI mean do I send it to the wm authors or to debian
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13:29.30mechan0rbtw what's a udeb?
13:29.37abrotmanmicrodeb
13:29.38The_myst1CHaving some problems with sshd. so ive used debug and stuff.. and when i start sshd up in debug mode and try to connect with putty remotely to it it works.. but when i try to open another putty session with it it doesnt work. but the one i first opened.. and when i close the first session sshd quits.. but when i dont use debug i cant connect at all
13:29.50tombawPenix: I didnt choose that vga card. Trident support is soo bad, even in simple VGA mode ?
13:29.57asfouri have understood nothing
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13:31.21mick_laptopThe_myst1C: what do you have setup for max connections?
13:31.29esThe_myst1C: do you have _any_ echo in your .bashrc/.profile that has caused me a lot of problem in ssh/scp
13:31.42ricky_clarksonThe_myst1C: Sounds like a race ondition?
13:31.57ricky_clarksons/ond/cond/
13:32.02mick_laptopand are you sure sshd quits?
13:32.17The_myst1Cmick_laptop: yep.
13:32.30The_myst1Cmick_laptop: and no on the max connections
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13:33.27mick_laptopi'd recommend purging ssh and re-installing (that way your working from scratch)
13:33.41The_myst1Ces: hum.. english please? lol
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13:33.50mick_laptopssh is something that should just _work_
13:34.04The_myst1Cmick_laptop: i know. never had any problems with it be4
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13:34.41mick_laptopusually people get problems after playing too much with the sshd config file
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13:35.13esThe_myst1C: do you have _any_ line in your .bashrc/.profile that start with echo? This can cause lot of problem in ssh/scp. It's that better english?
13:35.20mick_laptopand for whatever reason, they decide to play with ssh configs while being remotely connected (via ssh)
13:35.30The_myst1Ces: ah
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13:35.41The_myst1Ces: indeed it is. lol
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13:35.53esThe_myst1C: typical
13:35.59mick_laptopes: thanks, i forgot about that
13:36.00Loevborganyone know how I install .xpis in thunerbird without firefox installed?
13:36.03The_myst1Cmick_laptop: havnt touched it. be4 now. when i got the probs
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13:36.24jm_that must be something else because it works fine for me with zsh
13:36.50The_myst1Chow do i just delete sshd and reinstall?
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13:36.54The_myst1Cseemes easyer
13:36.54The_myst1Clol
13:37.15jm_man apt-get ; man dpkg
13:37.16abrotmanThe_myst1C: apt-get --reinstall install ssh
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13:37.29The_myst1Cabdullah: ive got slack.. but noone in there answered me :P
13:37.41The_myst1Cabrotman*
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13:37.48tarbazhi all; i installed sarge, but system is not recognize etehrnet card. what can i do ?
13:37.56jm_you're talking to wrong people, we don't care about problems in slackware
13:37.56abrotmanfunny. . i thought this was #debian
13:38.09abrotmantarbaz: modconf .. load the right module
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13:38.13The_myst1Cabrotman: phunneh. so did i... sry :P
13:38.25tarbazok thanks
13:38.35mothasThis is probably a stupid question, but if I've got just the security.debian.org server in my sources.list, is it safe to just upgrade everything it suggests?
13:38.37Penixffs I like automake
13:38.43Penixs/like/love/
13:38.51mahdihi could anybody help me with smth plz? I'm building a initrd kernel image for i386, i686, k7 and pentium4 boxes on a k7 box. Is "make-kpkg --append_to_version -my_sufix --revision 1.0 --initrd kernel_image" enough for that? Do I have to add "--cross-compile --arch i386/athlon/i686" args?
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13:39.06Guerinmothas: not just ok, but advisable
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13:39.35Guerinmothas: but why don't you have one of the branches in there too? woody, for example?
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13:40.04daxxarfuck.
13:40.04mipoohmothas, should be as security is stable
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13:40.14mothasGuerin: mostly because I figured I want all security fixes & bug fixes, but am trying to stabilize now rather than upgrade as such.
13:40.15daxxarheh, seems it compiled without script support at all ;P
13:40.31Guerinmothas: stable won't change from under you
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13:40.56Guerinmothas: unless you;'re running testing or unstable, in which case security.debian.org is pointless
13:40.59mothasGuerin: I'm using sarge - which is a bit of a moving target.
13:42.00mahdiCould anybody help me with smth plz? I'm building an initrd kernel image for i386, i686, k7 and pentium4 boxes on a k7 box. Is "make-kpkg --append_to_version -my_sufix --revision 1.0 --initrd kernel_image" enough for that? Do I have to add "--cross-compile --arch i386/athlon/i686" args?
13:42.17mothasGuerin: Why is security pointless?
13:42.25jm_mothas: because sarge has no security updates
13:42.33Guerinmothas: security.debian.org installs updates for woody
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13:42.46Guerinmothas: not sarge
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13:43.44trackerhi ppl
13:43.48mechan0rI have just seen the worst contract ever
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13:44.24trackeri've got a strange problem with lilo under unstable
13:44.25sparky1I've made a new group, and added my user into it how do I add unique values into that group?
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13:44.43trackerthat on 2 different machines, and it seems i'm not the only one
13:44.52trackeraccording to google
13:44.55abrotmanmechan0r: sex for peanuts?
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13:45.08mothasjm_, Guerin: OK - so when I do apt-get update and aptitude shows a list of updated packages, and I have only security.debian.org in my sources list, then this means some package is in both woody and sarge and has an update available?
13:45.16trackeri've got a warning like : Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure.
13:45.21Penixabrotman: that's a great contract. are you insane?
13:45.25jm_mothas: apt-get can tell you where the updates are coming from
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13:45.37asgabrotman: like water for chocolate?
13:45.43g4ltmechan0r a finite amount of money for working with redmond-ware?
13:45.51abrotmanPenix: you dont know who the sex is with
13:45.57trackerand when booting the kernel, i've got a "Unable to mount root fs"
13:46.03trackerany idea ?
13:46.14jm_tracker: that's PEBKAC error, not lilo problem
13:46.22mothasjm_: OK - thanks.  I think I need to find some "debian admin for dummies" kind of book.
13:46.29daxxar/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl
13:46.29trackerjm_, what's a PEBKAC ?
13:46.37daxxarwhy do i get that when i've got libperl5.8 installed?
13:46.40jm_mothas: apt-get -s blabla will show it
13:46.45jm_!tell tracker -about pebkac
13:46.46daxxar!pebkac
13:46.47dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK.  PEBMAC
13:46.49daxxar^_^
13:46.50daxxar:-P
13:46.58mechan0rno a finite amount of "benefit of the doubt" when working with entrepeneur-kiddies
13:47.01trackerjm_, that's not
13:47.07jm_tracker: wanna bet ?
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13:47.16trackerjm_, i mean or they have it also on kerneltrap
13:47.20trackerhttp://kerneltrap.org/node/view/1955/6238
13:47.36trackerthat's certainly not my first kernel upgrade
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13:47.47asgdaxxar: install the -dev package
13:47.52daxxarasg: okay :-)
13:48.02asgdaxxar: libperl5.8-dev or somesuch
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13:48.20daxxarit was libperl-dev
13:48.20jm_tracker: where does that say anything about Unable to mount root fs ?
13:48.29Penixabrotman: as long as it's alan cox or theo deraadt, who cares!
13:48.45jm_tracker: ok I see it - did you compile this kernel ?
13:48.47trackerjm_, here : when i restart and try to boot with the new kernel, i get:
13:48.47tracker<PROTECTED>
13:48.50asgPenix: you might get stuck in alan's beard though
13:48.51daxxarhow can i tell a 'debian/rules'-script to configure with some certain parameters? or can i just ./configure myself, then run it?
13:48.54abrotmanPenix: uhm .. what about RMS?
13:49.01jm_tracker: it's a user error, even if it's on kerneltrap ...
13:49.04Penixabrotman: eeww. you're sick
13:49.09abrotmandaxxar: debian-mentor?
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13:49.20greycatdaxxar: edit it.
13:49.22trackerjm_, and what's the solution ?
13:49.28asgdaxxar: read the new maintainer's guide (/msg dpkg mg)
13:49.32jm_tracker: answer my question first
13:49.35trackerjm_, i mean my 2.4 kernels are working
13:49.40daxxarabrotman: debian-mentor?
13:49.45Penixasg: if I'm lucky
13:49.55trackerjm_, i compiled it
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13:50.16jm_tracker: ok, no go rechecke the config and make sure it has everything it needs at time when it wants to mount the root fs
13:50.28trackerit's a ext3 partition
13:50.35trackerjm_, and ext3 is in the kernel
13:50.39jm_that's just one thing
13:50.44jm_and nowehere near enough
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13:51.16trackerjm_, ide chipset is intel and it's also compiled in
13:51.22tarbazis there any program configure eternet setup ?
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13:51.30abrotmandaxxar: #debian-mentor .. its a channel
13:51.34daxxarah, okay.
13:51.45daxxarsure? :P
13:51.45asgPenix: hehe
13:51.54jm_tracker: that's trivial to tell, it should be detected before it tries to mount / and disks should be listed as well
13:52.05trackerjm_, it is
13:52.53jm_tracker: then verify the device it's trying to mount
13:52.54tarbazabortman : i think my problem about eternet config
13:53.02tarbaznot debconf
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13:53.38Guerintarbaz: that was surely a typo worth acknowledging?
13:53.39dave^^^do I need to restart cron when I add a job to crontab?
13:53.40trackerjm_, it's the good one, being either in lilo.conf, or when adding it by hand during boot
13:53.45Guerin:)
13:53.55asgtarbaz: try etherconf or /msg dpkg faq (read the networking section.)
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13:54.05tarbazok thanks
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13:54.07berthi.
13:54.19asgdave^^^: no, you shouldn't need to restart crond
13:54.24dave^^^I just added mrtg to my sarge box and dumped the right command into crontab but don't know how to make sure it's running
13:54.28dave^^^asg: thank you
13:54.41asgdave^^^: check /var/log/syslog (look for CRON entries indicating RELOAD)
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13:55.01jm_tracker: no, kernel tells you about it, use that one to find it out
13:55.04abrotmanasg: i need a pubtime
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13:55.10asgabrotman: you're not kidding
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13:55.35mothasOK - if I want to clear my apt cache and re-generate it from new sources, is there a way?
13:55.38jm_tracker: and disable initrd crap if you don't need it
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13:55.51trackerjm_, no kernels tells me about what ? use what ?
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13:56.05asgmothas: change sources; apt-get update
13:56.13berta question: where is the best for a call of a firewall-scipt? (i tried to put "up myscript" behind the eth0-line in "/etc/network/interfaces", but there is no line concering eth0)
13:56.14abrotmanasg: haircut .. or pubtime .. damn .. thats tough
13:56.22trackerjm_, i don't use initrd
13:56.23asgabrotman: pubtime
13:56.28Guerinabrotman: no competition, pub
13:56.33abrotmanbut its 10AM
13:56.36asgabrotman: so
13:56.39mothasasg: This will remove items from the cache?
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13:56.42Guerinabrotman: should be almost open then
13:56.50asgmothas: no, it will recreate the cache with new sources.
13:57.04sunybwhy is it when I install phpwiki?
13:57.05sunybSetting up phpwiki (1.3.7-2) ...
13:57.05sunybReloading apache configuration.
13:57.05sunybinvoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/apache-ssl not found.
13:57.05sunybFailed to reload apache-ssl
13:57.05sunybdpkg: error processing phpwiki (--configure):
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13:57.06abrotmandont you think my boss would be mad if i left to get drunk?
13:57.18jm_tracker: yes they do - VFS: cannot open root device "302" or unknown-block (3,2)
13:57.19dave^^^asg: i'm not finding a crond, though there's " crond.pid" and "crond.reboot" both in /var/run -- should I run these?
13:57.24asgabrotman: that, however, is somewhat problematic; better telecommute today then
13:57.28greycat*sigh*
13:57.29mahdiabrotman, getting drunk is always a good excuse
13:57.32ricky_clarksonabrotman: Only if you came back after.
13:57.34asgdave^^^: no, grep -i CRON /var/log/syslog
13:57.36mothasasg: My problem is I want to eliminate any packages from some sources that I have now removed from the sources.list
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13:57.44asgmothas: apt-get update
13:57.59mahdiabrotman, invite him to get drunk with you and you might even get a promotion
13:58.00asgmothas: the installed packages, however, will have to be tracked down and removed manually
13:58.01mothasasg: OK - thanks.
13:58.06abrotmanricky_clarkson: its happened before .. just a few though
13:58.14trackerjm_, i know, i didn't understanded your question
13:58.26trackerjm_, it tells (0,0)
13:58.30ricky_clarksonmahdi: Or even a free beer which is even better.
13:58.33trackerjm_, is that hda1 ?
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13:58.35greycatsunyb: echo -e '#!/bin/sh\nexit 0' > /etc/init.d/apache-ssl; chmod 755 /etc/init.d/apache-ssl; dpkg --purge --force-depends apache-ssl; apt-get install apache-ssl
13:58.45jm_tracker: and you think that is correct ? no it's not hda1
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13:58.57trackerjm_, weel that's what i gave to lilo
13:58.58greycatsunyb: and next time, DO NOT REMOVE AN /etc/init.d SCRIPT.  EVER.
13:59.05jm_tracker: and I think it's 1,0 not 0,0
13:59.10jm_tracker: WHY ?
13:59.13Guerinabrotman: my bosses used to drink at the same pub as I did. there was tacit acknowledgement of our common ignorance of company policy
13:59.22abrotmanGuerin: nice
13:59.22asgGuerin: nice
13:59.26mahdiricky_clarkson, yep, But if your boss gets a free beer instead of you, your chances to get a promotion (and money to get even more beers) are higher =D
13:59.30Gueringood day: beer and bread
13:59.36asgGuerin: and cheese
13:59.37trackerjm_, i don't know i just did a kernel_img root=/dev/hda1 at the prompt
13:59.39abrotmanasg: jinx .. you owe me a beer .. id like to collect now
13:59.42Guerinbad day: beer and bread and whiskey for lunch
13:59.51sunybgreycat,  thanks for your kind
13:59.52Guerinyeah, bread and whatever they were serving with it
13:59.55jm_tracker: in lilo ? that's not how you do it in lilo.conf
13:59.59asgabrotman: heh
14:00.04Guerinpickle, cheese, coldcuts, sometimes just buitter
14:00.06Guerinbutte
14:00.08Guerinr
14:00.09Gueringah
14:00.11trackerjm_, yes in lilo, in lilo.conf it's root=/dev/hda1
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14:00.24jm_tracker: just "root=/dev/hda1" ? that's wrong
14:00.31mothasasg: I don't need to remove anything already installed.  I just want to see only security updates at this point.  Thanks for your help.
14:00.33asg!start a besthtingtohaveforlunch war
14:00.36sunybgreycat, I have to have a try!
14:00.37trackerjm_, ?
14:00.39asgmothas: you're welcome
14:00.40jm_tracker: !
14:00.52ricky_clarksonmahdi: If the boss doesn't give you free beer, you need a new boss.
14:01.14trackerjm_, come on, what do you mean ?
14:01.18greycat!britsmite ricky_clarkson
14:01.22jm_tracker: I mean what I said
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14:01.38mahdimahdi, true... true...
14:01.53ricky_clarksonmahdi: seek psychotherapy.
14:01.54trackerjm_, "!" ?
14:02.01jm_tracker: before that ...
14:02.09mahdilol =D
14:02.19trackerjm_, so what's wrong ?
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14:02.29Gueringreycat: britsmite has doen crabpaste 3x in a row - is the randomiser fucked?
14:02.40jm_tracker: I told you what to check, that's not how you pass things to linux kernel if you use lilo
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14:03.12mahdigotta go
14:03.12mahdi[/z
14:03.17trackerjm_, you pass things using "append="
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14:03.22jm_tracker: yes
14:03.24trackerjm_, but not the root partition
14:03.29jm_tracker: wrong
14:03.42versuchsanstaltwould a geforce2 mx400 work in a 1.5V agp slot?
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14:04.03trackerjm_, according to the man page :
14:04.04greycat!literal CMD: britsmite (.*?)
14:04.05dpkgCMD: britsmite (.*?) is ($1): <action> takes away $1's (scones|crabpaste|teabags|roast beef|cucumber sandwiches|strawberries and cream|endless boring hours of snooker videotapes|excruciatingly tedious tapes of people throwing darts)
14:04.10greycat!britsmite Guerin
14:04.24Gueringreycat: I stand corrected
14:04.27trackerjm_, when i restart and try to boot with the new kernel, i get:
14:04.27tracker<PROTECTED>
14:04.31mentorcrab paste?
14:04.32Guerinand disarmed of my strawberries and cream
14:04.33trackeroops
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14:04.48trackerjm_,            vga=normal
14:04.48tracker<PROTECTED>
14:04.48tracker<PROTECTED>
14:04.59Gueringreycat: you should add "flat warm beer"to that list
14:05.17trackerjm_, you don't use "append" for the root partition
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14:05.24greycatactually I was wondering where "fish and chips" went
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14:05.37Gueringreycat: fish and chips and vinegar
14:05.40mentorand yorkshire puddings....
14:05.42jm_tracker: let me read about this, it's been ages since I last used lilo
14:05.48greycatand curry
14:05.48ricky_clarkson!yorkshiresmite greycat
14:05.51Gueringreycat: smoked haddock?
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14:05.52JaKy^is there some application to see the news in a panel, on debian, that is not karamba ?
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14:06.39jm_tracker: well the man page says you can pass it that way - but this doesn't change anything, if kernel is trying to mount the correct device, it's missing something that's needed to mount it
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14:06.54Guerinif I knew how I'd make a !newzealandsmite
14:07.02Guerinrepresentin'
14:07.03greycatdpkg, CMD: britsmite (.*?) =~ s/teabags/teabags|fish & chips & vinegar|smoked haddock|curry|yorkshire pudding/
14:07.04dpkgOK, greycat
14:07.36mentorah...Geordies...Indian curries weren't hot enough for them...so they made a hotter one...
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14:07.54trackerjm_, i don't think this is the case
14:07.58d3shelo
14:08.00Guerindpkg, CMD: britsmite (.*?) =~ s/teadpkg, CMD: britsmite (.*?) =~ s/teabags/teabags|pints of warm flat beer/
14:08.11Guerindamnit
14:08.22jm_tracker: well you must be a  person with its own Linux kernel then
14:08.37ntollhi, I've just upgraded php4 to the version in testing (whilst pinning th erest of the distro to stable). I've also upgraded the php4-mysql package. It used to work. Now it doesn't. I'm newbie to PHP config so any pointers to where I fix this?
14:08.41Guerinwhy didn't that work...?
14:08.49greycatGuerin: horrible pasting accident.
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14:08.57Guerinevidently so
14:08.57JaKy^is there some application to read news (from slashdot) directly on desktop of debian ?
14:09.05greycatJaKy^: lynx
14:09.17ntollPHP works but no mySQL connectivity
14:09.24Guerindpkg, CMD: britsmite (.*?) =~ s/teabags/teabags|pints of warm flat beer/
14:09.25dpkgGuerin: OK
14:09.29Guerinthat's better
14:09.36JaKy^greycat: isn't lynx a web browser ?
14:09.45greycatJaKy^: yes of course
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14:09.49ntollJaKy^, he's pulling your leg
14:09.57asgntoll: no he isn't
14:10.06mentor~ussmite $1 is <action>takes away $1's fizzy weak 'beer'
14:10.09aptmentor: okay
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14:10.13greycatyou want to read slashdot.  you want to do it "on your desktop" (whatever the hell *that* is supposed to mean).  Run lynx.
14:10.15asgmentor: haha
14:10.19mentor~ussmite Guerin
14:10.23aptACTION takes away Guerin's fizzy weak 'beer'
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14:10.33ntollJaKy^, do you mean an RSS newsfeed reader from Slashdot xml feed right?
14:10.50Guerinbut that's because he's in KOREA
14:10.50JaKy^greycat: i'm looking for something like karamba or superkaramba, but not these, to read news directly on my debian desktop
14:10.53mentorGuerin: No, you don't...apt took it away.
14:10.58asgGuerin: need to add Sausage Biscuits and Hash Browns to that
14:11.01Gueringoddamnit, don't get me ranting about beer again
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14:11.06Chewie[]who's the maintainer for the ms mouse driver?  having problems in Fluxbox with it jumping to edges of the screen (optical, Knoppix 3.3)
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14:11.18Guerinmentor: damn you and your logic
14:11.25greycatcould someone translate from newbspeak to English for me please?  Does "directly on my debian desktop" mean "in a transparent x-terminal-emulator"?  Or what?
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14:11.30jm_tracker: boot with it again, pay attention to what's happening during the boot - if disks are detected, if partitions are listed and so on
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14:11.37Gueringreycat: it might
14:11.38Trinitronexit
14:11.45asggreycat: sounds right to me
14:11.47Trinitronargh i forgot the slash AGAIN
14:11.58trackerjm_, ok, i'll come back with the exact messages if you want
14:12.00Gueringreycat: or it might just mean "in a window which lives behind all the other ones"
14:12.00greycatJaKy^: then run lynx in a transparent aterm :)
14:12.17JaKy^greycat: uh ! :-)
14:12.19Blknighthi .. can anyone help with a locales problem when i do a dist-upgrade ?
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14:12.31greycat!tell Blknight about ask
14:12.43Guerinmentor: so it that the syntax for making commands?
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14:13.00JaKy^tnx all
14:13.01asgGuerin: /msg dpkg help (has all the gory details)
14:13.01Guerinthins, I mean: ~ussmite $1 is <action>takes away $1's fizzy weak 'beer'
14:13.06Blknightok.. i get this error when i do a dist-upgrade: ro_RO.ISO-8859-2...LC_ADDRESS: `country_ab3' value does not match `country_num' value
14:13.09Guerinasg: cheers
14:13.10karlI have a linux box and a miniats coneccted to a com port on it I would like to use a windows program and connect to the com port over network Any ideas hou to do that
14:13.14greycatGuerin: it worked, didn't it?
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14:13.19asgBlknight: have you checked the bts?
14:13.32Blknightno .. how do i do that ?
14:13.35greycat!bts
14:13.36dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs
14:13.55Gueringreycat: it did, but I wasn't sure if there was any previous mise-en-place done peforehand
14:14.00Guerinerr, preparation
14:14.08jm_akrl;try apt-cache show ser2net
14:14.18Blknightlol .. ok  but i'm running knoppix .. a bit of everything
14:14.22jm_karl: try apt-cache show ser2net
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14:14.28Chewie[]maybe a different channel would be more appropriate for my question?
14:14.45greycatChewie[]: #knoppix
14:14.46asgChewie[]: well, you could ask in #knoppix first of all
14:14.51PhateIf in include the bonding driver support to the kernel - do I still have to make de TEQL dev manually??
14:14.52versuchsanstaltBlknight: maybe you should stop by at #knoppix...
14:14.57Blknightnothing on bts
14:15.05greycatBlknight: we don't support Knoppix bugs here.
14:15.19Blknightok .. i'll try them
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14:15.40asgBlknight: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=245657 (the first locales bug listed)
14:15.49Phategreycat: any idea?
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14:15.53greycat!any ideas
14:15.54dpkgYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a bag of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and 42 sex-crazed platypuses.  And keep the cops off my back for the next few minutes!
14:15.55Chewie[]asg, greycat: since Knoppix is based on Debian, and i assume the Knoppix team doesn't maintain the core packages like drivers, i'd think this channel would be more appropriate
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14:16.21asgplatypuses!
14:16.30Blknightthanks a bunch asg
14:16.31Chewie[]dpkg: get pictures
14:16.32dpkgChewie[]: are you smoking crack?
14:16.37greycatChewie[]: drivers aren't maintained by Debian either.  They're in the kernel, therefore they're a *linux* issue.
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14:16.51Chewie[]greycat: ahhh
14:16.58asgChewie[]: also, does this problem only occur with fluxbox or with 'X' in general?
14:16.59Chewie[]greycat: sounds about right, heh.  thanks
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14:17.09Chewie[]asg: haven't tested extensivly
14:17.17greycatChewie[]: unless of course you meant *video* drivers, in which case it's an XFree86 issue.
14:17.28asgChewie[]: well, type 'X'; wait for the crosshatched background and 'X' cursor and wiggle it about.
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14:18.20Chewie[]asg: i'm thinking it's a driver issue because the mouse actually *moves*, and isn't just randomly relocated
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14:18.38Chewie[]greycat: heh, it's not video
14:18.43yogahneei have a problem with installing a new kernel, it compiled fine, i used make-kpkg for packaging and installed it with dpkg but on 2 different machines the 2.6.6 gives me a kernel panic: cannot mount root fs
14:18.44Caylancan anyone recommend a package or script to email me when security updates are available for a particular system? or... a decent explanation or config example for cron-apt to satisfy the above question? - ty
14:19.00asgChewie[]: then check your mouse protocol in your XF86Config-4 and make sure it's right.
14:19.18asgCaylan: join the debian-security mailing list.
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14:19.47Caylanasg: I'm on it. I want a good way to constantly tell me that a machine is not up to date
14:19.50Chewie[]asg: hmm, and where would that be?  (i'm kinda a newbie with X-related stuff)
14:20.00asgChewie[]: /etc/X11
14:20.14knoppixComo faço para configurar uma rede pelo Velox no Debian?
14:20.18Chewie[]asg: hmm.  well /etc isn't on the ramdrive, so even if it is incorrect, i couldn't change it
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14:20.30Caylanasg: for other admins for instance, something to keep "bitching" until its been done. I saw on the ol list threads that someone did a python script, but the link is broken and I'm awaiting their reply... this was 2002, thought something might be offical
14:20.32greycatChewie[]: that's why we asked you to go to #knoppix.
14:20.37asgChewie[]: well, I'd ask in #knoppix now since their architecture is not known to me
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14:21.17trackerjm_, ok i'm back
14:21.32mahdihow do i build a initrd kernel with make-kpkg? The initrd.img file doesnt go with the deb =(
14:21.41asgmahdi: man make-kpkg
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14:21.50spooferyogahnee: verify that lilo is pointing too the right root partition and that you compiled support for your filesystem in your kernel
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14:22.04trackerjm_, everything is ok, hard disk detected and all
14:22.14trackerjm_, but i've got something strange
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14:22.22jm_tracker: like ?
14:22.24mahdiasg, i read it. It says to put a --initrd arg on the command line, but i did it and it did not work :(
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14:22.31trackerjm_, when using the root in the lilo.conf
14:22.38asgmahdi: didn't work in what way?
14:22.46mahdinope
14:22.56trackerjm_, it's VFS:cannot open root device "301" or unknown block (3,1)
14:23.02asgCaylan: I'm not aware of anything but you should be able to cook up a quick script to run from cron to do the job.
14:23.04mahdiasg the initrd.img file doesnt seem to b installed, so i get a kernel panic
14:23.16trackerjm, but when appending root= directly at the lilo prompt
14:23.17Caylanasg: I agree... just thought something like this may have been done before :)
14:23.29jm_tracker: that's hda1
14:23.31trackerjm_, I got a : (0,0)
14:23.36asgmahdi: not installed or not linked correctly in your bootloader?
14:23.38trackerjm_, whatever I append
14:23.40yogahneespoofer i use grub and the dpgk has set the paths
14:23.46mahdiasg,  not installed
14:23.51mahdiasg, cant find the file on the sys
14:23.51Caylanmahdi: have you added " initrd=/initrd.img" and linked that file to boot/initrd.img-2.6.3-1-686-smp or similar?
14:24.08trackerjm_, arg
14:24.10spooferyogahnee: the are you sure that you compiled support for your filesystem in your kernel?
14:24.14jm_tracker: that is wrong
14:24.20toubsuhow can i use cut to cut off the last char of each line (for example the question mark on this line)?
14:24.20mahdiCaylan, i dont have a /initrd.img or /boot/initrd.img-* at all :(
14:24.36asgmahdi: okay, do a dpkg -c <kernel image deb> and see if there is an initrd listed in the package.
14:24.42jm_toubsu: it would be easier with sed
14:24.45yogahneeyes pretty sure
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14:24.59toubsujm_: ok, how? =)
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14:25.03Chewie[]toubsu: what program?  you could write a one liner in perl for it
14:25.11yogahneeat my laptop i used a .config file from another source
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14:25.20jm_toubsu: sed -e 's/.$//'
14:25.21baserosehi all. How can I remove applets from my panel manually ? I installed the flink applet and now my panel freezes
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14:25.26mahdiasg no :(
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14:25.53spooferthen yogahnee I have no idea. According to me this kind of error is only caused by a not-well-defined grug or lilo or no support for filesystem in the kernle ..
14:26.01asgmahdi: then --initrd didn't work for some reason. It should though :/
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14:26.37spooferyogahnee: are you sure your drives are dtected?
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14:26.42spoofer*detected
14:26.42yogahneeok thx, ill re-check all theses error sources
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14:27.14mahdiasg, is the kernel-source pkg alread patched with cramfs?
14:27.34KuruminBrasileiro?
14:27.40asgmahdi: the debian kernel-source packages should be.
14:27.58siashello, i want to install debian on ibm server with raid card but in the install, it cannot detect raid device, how can i do ?
14:28.37asgsias: use a custom netinst or debootstrap.
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14:28.52g4ltsias raiding / and /boot isn't aways the smartest thing to do....
14:28.57Guerinasg: Ok, I'm making a kiwismite command - but I have questions about how the regexps work
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14:29.06KuruminNenhum brasileiro!
14:29.20Guerincan I nest one set of alternatives within another?
14:29.22g4ltGuerin #debian-bots
14:29.23ribnitzheyas ppl, how do I specify i want ide-scsi support for the drives.
14:29.30Guering4lt: roger
14:29.39siascould you reformule your answer please ? :)
14:29.51asg!tell Kurumin about portuguese
14:30.01ribnitzwith grub, option hdc=ide-scsi doesn't get the wanted result.
14:30.04ribnitzideas?
14:30.23jm_grub doesn't care about those options
14:30.34KuruminPode me ajudar com um problema?
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14:31.12asgGuerin: apt-get install perl-doc ; man perlre (the bot should support all mentioned therein)
14:31.15ribnitzjm_: well, ide-scsi doesn't find the two cdroms, either if i specify ide-scsi as module in modules or if i set hdc=ide-scs hdd=ide-scsi. what am I doing wrong?
14:31.36jm_ribnitz: how did you specify them ? does kernel get proper command line ?
14:31.44asgKurumin: /join #debian-br
14:32.02mahdiasg, got it =/ the --initrd was misplaced. =D
14:32.04Guerinasg: I have perl-doc, but I've not read it - nevertheless :)
14:32.07mahdiasg, tkz =D
14:32.07asgmahdi: ah
14:32.07ribnitzjm: kernel gets root=/dev/hda2 ro hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi.
14:32.15jm_ribnitz: how do you know ?
14:32.18asgGuerin: hehe
14:32.23KuruminValeu
14:32.23ribnitzjm_: dmesg?
14:32.29jm_ribnitz: cat /proc/cmdline
14:33.07ricky_clarksonGuerin: Aw, are you Southern?
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14:33.25asgGuerin: apt-get install abs-guide :p
14:33.28ribnitzjm_: root=/dev/hda2 ro devfs=mount.
14:33.41jm_ribnitz: so where are the hdc and hdd options ?
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14:34.16ricky_clarksonHow will a zip drive present itself in Linux - /dev/hdb?
14:34.23ricky_clarksonIt's IDE, internal.
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14:34.29ribnitzjm: I left them out this boot because I wanted to check idf it works normally, there's a ide-scsi in the modules.
14:34.38ribnitzjm_: but it doesn't.
14:34.43jm_ribnitz: yes, but that won't help if ide-cd picks them up first
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14:35.10Guerinricky_clarkson: I'm a lieral arts grad, goddamnit :)
14:35.18Guerins/lieral/liberal/
14:35.21ricky_clarksonGuerin: Are you southern?
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14:35.39asgGuerin: it doesn't mean you can't learn to code though.
14:35.42Guerinricky_clarkson: I'm from New Zealand, so yeah, I'm really pretty Southern
14:35.56ricky_clarksonGuerin: Oh, thought you might have been an Essex boy.
14:35.57asgGuerin: my cousin lives in Auckland
14:36.07ricky_clarksonasg: You've got links all over.
14:36.13Guerinasg: I will, I just need time
14:36.17ricky_clarkson!yorkshiresmite asg
14:36.22Kurumindebian.br? I have not sucess conection
14:36.26asgricky_clarkson: yeah, south africa, denmark ...
14:36.34ricky_clarksonKurumin: /j #debian.br
14:36.41asgKurumin: #debian-br
14:36.43Guerinasg: Auckland ain't my town of choice, but I'd give a fair bit to be back there
14:36.56ricky_clarksonMy mate wants to live in .nz
14:37.01Guerinricky_clarkson: I know that ain't a compliment
14:37.02asgGuerin: never been; I've heard the country has some nice parts though.
14:37.07ricky_clarksonHe's looking for jobs.
14:37.24Guerinasg: It's not all like LOtR, but it's pretty damn good
14:37.43Guerinricky_clarkson: jobs are tough to come by, unless you're educated properly, outside NZ
14:37.54asgGuerin: I wasn't meaning in the LOtR way :) (more the Douglas Adams 'Last Chance to See' way)
14:37.57ricky_clarksonIsn't New Zealand->Australia like Canada->America?
14:38.07ricky_clarksonIn terms of economy.
14:38.18Guerinasg: I've not been to either Canada or the USA, so I can't comment
14:38.30asgricky_clarkson: he can't comment
14:38.32Guerinricky_clarkson: yeah, economically that soundds about right
14:38.32ricky_clarksonGuerin: Mistaken identity.
14:38.50ricky_clarksonBut you drive on the proper side of the road!
14:38.57Guerinricky_clarkson: that we do!
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14:39.23ricky_clarksonIs there anywhere in the world where it switches from one side of the road to the other on land?
14:39.24asgricky_clarkson: the proper side of the road, as all usians know, is right down the middle
14:39.37ricky_clarksonasg: People in the middle of the road get run over.
14:39.37asgricky_clarkson: spain -> gibraltar iirc
14:39.44asgricky_clarkson: we have big trucks though.
14:39.47ricky_clarksonasg: Gibraltar is an island.
14:39.50wumingwhy my xmms works and opened up the mixer set the volume up,,still no sound..
14:39.59ricky_clarksonwuming: aumixer
14:40.00asgricky_clarkson: connected by a land bridge
14:40.04ricky_clarksonasg: Ah.
14:40.13ricky_clarksonasg: I wonder how they do that then.
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14:40.24wumingaumixer is set
14:40.29asgricky_clarkson: carefully :) I did have some good fish and chips there once.
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14:40.47somiajwuming: do you have xmms set to output to the correct device, (oss, or a sound damaon like esd or artsd)
14:41.00ricky_clarksonwuming: does play (the program) work?
14:41.08ricky_clarksonwuming: or cat /dev/random > /dev/audio
14:41.09wumingthe play program works
14:41.21ricky_clarksonThen what somiaj said, or #xmms
14:41.35wumingi using gnome2.2 default xmms t\setting
14:41.37mick_laptopanyone know of a very *minimal* live cd based on debian?
14:41.51mick_laptopjust with busybox and ssh
14:42.01sunybdoes the gnome2.6 enter sid?
14:42.03mick_laptopand perhaps apt
14:42.11asgsunyb: /msg dpkg gnome2.6
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14:42.20petemcmick_laptop: http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php
14:42.24greycatsunyb: which is in the topic.
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14:42.46mick_laptopewww new gnome has given me (along with a bunch of slack ppl I know) - a bunch of problems
14:42.53somiajwuming: well check that a) xmms is set to output to OSS (if your using OSS sound) and then check to see that some other app isn't hoging the oss device, you could do that with 'lsof /dev/dsp'
14:43.02asgmick_laptop: which is why you use fvwm and be happy :p
14:43.07mick_laptoppetemc: thanks
14:43.14mick_laptopxfce ;)
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14:43.16rotmosis it possible with syslog to accept remote conection and make one file per remote logger?
14:43.18wumingsomiaj: i use alsa
14:43.22greycat<PROTECTED>
14:43.23mick_laptopfvwm is for ppl w/ no life :P
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14:43.39asgrotmos: you might want to look at syslog-ng for that or metalog
14:43.41ricky_clarksonasg: hahaha!!!
14:43.48greycatmick_laptop: on the contrary, it's for people who have a life that does not consist of an endless, pointless upgrade-bug-upgrade-bug-etc. cycle.
14:43.59somiajwuming: oh, then tell xmms to output to alsa
14:44.09wumingsomiaj: it is not by default?
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14:44.14Caylanrotmos: yes, https://twiki.aero.und.edu/twiki/bin/view/Know/DebianLinuxLoghost
14:44.20petemcand unmute the channels
14:44.34kombiYo! What is the news servers name? Installed it by mistake and want to apt-get remove it..
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14:45.11somiajwuming: I don't believe so, but I don't see why you just don't go duble check the output plugin for xmms to make sure (i belive OSS is default)
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14:45.19asgkombi: dpkg -l | grep news
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14:45.27kombiasg: thx!
14:45.40asgkombi: maybe grep -i news (to be on the safe side)
14:45.40Caylanasg: this your full time job? ;)
14:45.52rotmoscaylan: that was exactly what i was looking for. thanx a lot.
14:46.01Caylanrotmos: :D
14:46.02asgCaylan: no, I'm supposed to be testing a wireless setup but I don't feel like it :)
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14:46.14Caylanheh, im supposed to be installing 8_Recommended on solaris :P
14:46.22asg!comfort Caylan
14:46.23dpkgThere, there, Caylan.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
14:46.30Caylanawwww
14:46.43wumingsomiaj:  i need reboot to linux...hehe:)
14:47.11somiajwuming: also if your using ALSA, why not use alsamixer (not aumix)
14:47.18leOnhmmm ... just noticed my greater and lesser keys aren't working ...
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14:47.31asgCaylan: that and waiting for the Windows admins to patch the infected boxes I keep finding.
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14:48.31Caylanasg: ouch, the peeps that do that job here dont even know what debian is... lol
14:48.43leOnasg: they ever heard of SUS ?
14:48.44leOn=)
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14:48.55wumingsomiaj;i used alsamixer
14:48.56asgleOn: yes, it doesn't work worth a shit
14:49.16asgleOn: or so I'm told (it might be the Windows admins that don't work worth a shit either but that isn't my problem)
14:49.39esit's there a way to know in advance wich files contains a package? I want to know without installing it. Is it possibile?
14:49.42leOnasg: more like that ... been using it for some time now ... pretty neat actually
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14:50.10asgleOn: how many machines are you updating though? We'd need to push to ~4500 boxes
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14:50.49leOnasg: not push ... there's a client installed in every machine configured to check and apply for updates every night
14:51.01sjtuwhy i can't connect into irc.debian.org with 6667 port in erc?
14:51.03somiajwuming: ahh I thought I saw aumix, (:
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14:51.24leOnclient pulls the updates and installs ... if client is down, 5 mins after reboot preforms the task
14:51.28Caylanes: auto-apt? https://twiki.aero.und.edu/twiki/bin/view/Know/DebianLinuxAutoApt
14:51.35asgleOn: *nod*
14:51.35daxxar2004-05-11 16:51:18 Exim configuration error in line 24 of /etc/exim4/exim4.conf:
14:51.38daxxar<PROTECTED>
14:51.44smoseranybody know of a way to translate /proc/bus/usb/002/015 (or similar as given by hotplug usb DEVICE environment) into what /dev/sdX or /dev/sgX that actually mapped to?
14:51.51daxxarline 24 is "DEBCONFminimaldnsDEBCONF", why does this happen?
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14:51.56leOnasg: you can even have a SUS server to save bandwidth
14:52.13Caylanes: if you want to list the files that a package contains... you'll probably have to read the man page for auto-apt
14:52.18smoserie, i'm trying to write a hotplug script that will set up things on attach of a usb storage device.
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14:52.23asgleOn: I know the've looked at it but have pooed the idea for some reason. Maybe I'll walk over there and find out what it is.
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14:52.33asgs/the've/they have/
14:52.38mapserverhallo
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14:52.58leOnasg: and all can be done automatically, although you have to tweak the server a litle to auto-aprove the updates
14:53.02kombimapserver: don't say hello, just ask
14:53.10asgleOn: right
14:53.16grumpy_what's an SUS server?
14:53.34eoinhi all, i recently upgraded to testing and now my normal user doesn't have access to my ntfs partitions.  /etc/fstab has the user option set and every file/dir of the ntfs partition is owned by root and can only be read by root.  is these permissions handled in some specific way in testing?  thx.
14:53.35petemckombi: nothing wrong with saying hello
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14:53.45leOngrumpy_: some windows machine running IIS and serving M$ updates
14:53.48greycat!SUS
14:53.49maitschagrumpy: its a product of m$
14:53.49dpkgi heard sus is Single UNIX(R) Specification, or http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/007904975/
14:53.54petemceoin: use -o umask=022
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14:54.06mapserverthanks...Well...I had installed Postgresql from unstable source 7.4.2 version
14:54.26Caylanpetemc: can you explain briefly why that happens?
14:54.28mapserverwell, it installed and worked perfectly, but...Where is the pg_config
14:54.37mapserverdoes it change the name?
14:54.44grumpy_leOn: you can point all your clients at that box then eh instead of them all downloading over the internet, makes sense, does it work with 2k server or just XP?
14:54.45esCaylan: auto-apt on the url seems only performing a search on a particular file. is it possibole to look for all in a package with auto-apt?
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14:54.58maitschawhat device is default the usb-mouse?
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14:55.08Caylanes: dunno, if they are not installed.... im reading the man page right now ;)
14:55.14grumpy_maitscha: /dev/input/mice
14:55.14eoinpetemc: great!  thx.
14:55.14petemcCaylan: whats that?
14:55.18leOnasg: we also have a windows "expert" over here ... i had to send him a mail telling how to use SUS ... windows expert are the best
14:55.22leOn*sigh*
14:55.36leOngrumpy_: both 2k, xp and 2003
14:55.37Caylanpetemc: why do you have to set the umask to read the ntfs on mount like that, is that a feature of a newish version of mount?
14:55.44maitschagrumpy_: it's a bit confusing. mice isn't singular...
14:56.07maitschagrumpy_ i'm using it at work.
14:56.22maitschagrumpy_: i meaned "sus"
14:56.27petemcCaylan: thats the way ive always done it, umask is the file creation mask, windows filesystems cant be chmodded, you set the permissions at mount time
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14:56.57eoinpetemc: well i undersand it :P
14:56.58Caylanpetemc: ok, makes sense, wonder why he was having problems reading his, just must be a more restrictive default umask
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14:57.13FarrisGThis is a horrible question to ask, I know, but does anybody know of a way to have even minimal connectivity in Gnome to an Exchange server that has IMAP/POP access shutoff without paying $70 for Ximian connector?
14:57.17eoinCaylan: yeah, i dunno why it was set that way.. :(
14:57.18leOnbrb ... checking if my build of irssi ended the perl dynamic loading problem
14:57.21pmfphow do I compile a deb on a non-deb system?
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14:57.32mapserverHey..does someone knows something about my question?
14:57.45Arandaany great page with a lot of packages?
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14:57.53greycatAranda: pacakges.debian.org
14:57.57somiajAranda: packages.debian.org
14:58.02Arandak!
14:58.04greycatyeah, that spelling.
14:58.05Arandathx all
14:58.09Caylanmapserver: updatedb; locate pg_config
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14:59.02mapserverjust a min
14:59.06mapserverI will try
15:00.20asgFarrisG: well, I have a contact setup in Exchange to forward my mail to a local exim box -> courier-imap
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15:00.49maitschamy usb-mouse on /dev/input/mice want work under gpm.
15:00.51petemcasg: i have exim forwarding to exchange :)
15:01.03asgpetemc: I do on the gateway
15:01.09petemcthought you might
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15:01.30asgpetemc: doing all sorts of fun ldap based address rewriting in the process :)
15:02.02petemcnice :)
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15:02.36asgpetemc: 80 year old English lit profs don't take kindly to getting email from students with addresses like mybighairyballs333@hotmail.com
15:02.54petemcheh
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15:03.33tarbazeth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device Bind Socket to interface: No such device exiting. Failed to bring up eth0.
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15:03.41tarbazwhere can i look ?
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15:03.53asgtarbaz: make sure your nic module is loaded
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15:04.08tarbazhow can i sure for that ?
15:04.19asgtarbaz: lsmod
15:04.27tarbazok
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15:04.40Caylanes: use this link to search for a package: http://www.de.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages , then, choose your version, then find those series of links at the bottom (architectures) and click "list of files"
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15:04.59Caylanif anyone has a better way to do this... please let me know :P
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15:05.15asgCaylan: apt-file
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15:05.22Caylanarg...
15:05.33gmoriczHey...no sucess about the pg_config
15:05.36maitschamy usb-mouse on /dev/input/mice want work under gpm. perhaps someone has a fast resolution?
15:05.57maitschahmmm... meaned solution.
15:06.10Caylanasg: apt-file work on non-installed packages though?
15:06.10tarbazasg: it give me a list. what must there.   Can you tell me a name about nic card ?
15:06.53asgCaylan: yes
15:07.04asgtarbaz: what nic card do you have? has it ever worked?
15:07.21tarbazrealtek 8139
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15:07.55asgtarbaz: look for rtl8139 or 8139too (iirc)
15:08.06tarbazok thanks
15:08.09maitschawhen I plug in the usb-mouse i get information: "hub.c: USB new device connected on bus1/2, assigned device number 3". Does this mean it is on /dev/input/mice?
15:08.33asgtarbaz: if one of them isn't loaded, do a 'modprobe rtl8139 or modprobe 8139too' and see if that alleviates the problem.
15:08.39gmoriczdoes someone have some idea, or had this problem....Database working perfect, but pg_config does not exist
15:08.56asggmoricz: find / -name 'pg_config' -type f
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15:09.48Saw^tarbaz: it's called 8139too
15:09.51ribnitzheyas
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15:10.21MisirlouWhat signal does Ctrl+C send? SIGINT?
15:10.32ribnitzyep
15:10.36Misirlouthank you
15:10.48ribnitzMisirlou: sigctrlc
15:10.57ribnitz;)
15:11.11MisirlouEh?
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15:11.33ribnitz#15 SIGKILL
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15:11.39MisirlouDon't confuse me. :P
15:11.45pmfpis it possible to create debs on a non-debian machine?
15:11.54greycatribnitz: what the *hell*?
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15:12.18ribnitzgreycat: at last thats what they are on commonb unix variants.
15:12.19nemoI want to have pythons lovechild
15:12.34greycatribnitz: no, no, and no.
15:12.39ricky_clarkson!away
15:12.40dpkgWe don't care if you're 'afk', 'having a shower' or 'doing my wife'.  If we really want to know, we'll /whois you. so please disable any public messages your client sends when you go /away or come back, or there are over 600 people here.  If everyone did something annoying, we'd never get any conversation in. in BX, /set autoaway off, /saveirc
15:12.45greycatribnitz: #2 SIGINT   #9 SIGKILL   #15 SIGTERM
15:12.48gmoriczI did nor find it!!!how the db could work without pg_config
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15:13.10ribnitzgreycat: ups
15:13.38Guerinalright, who'll be the first recipient of !kiwismite?
15:13.40bob2pmfp: yes, but not easily
15:13.46bob2dpkg uses a hacked ar archive format
15:13.47dpkgno idea, bob2
15:13.52Guerinbob2: ah, you're Australian, you'll do ...
15:13.53bob2so you'll need to install dpkg on the machine anyway
15:14.04Guerin!kiwismite bob2
15:14.05bob2Guerin: I get that a lot :/
15:14.12gmoriczany another idea???there is a way to reinstall it without destroy my data inside the db?
15:14.13bob2haha
15:14.27esCaylan: thank you very much!
15:14.35Guerinand with that, I must to bed.
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15:15.15MezzyMeatGuerin already? :P
15:15.27BlindManare there any ldap backports for woody available?
15:15.32BlindManbackports.org doesn't carry one
15:15.36zhengyihi all -- can anyone tell me why one of my exim-related cron jobs is failing? (as in: "failed to open DB file /var/spool/exim/db/wait-remote_smtp: File exists")?
15:15.47d0ugieroses are red, violets are blue; all  of my base are belong to bob2
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15:16.09bob2BlindMan: I'm almost certain is has a openldap one
15:16.13tarbazasg: many thanks; nic is working
15:16.13bob2since I was using it
15:16.14Caylanes: np :)
15:16.34daesothogmoricz: you neglected to do the obligatory subject-aux inversion...
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15:16.35Caylanim only on freenode because the efnet bitches kick/banned me... i like this place a lot better
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15:16.41daesothogmoricz: whats's your native language?
15:16.45bob2BlindMan: and it is there
15:16.46Caylan737 people cant be wrong!
15:16.53bob2BlindMan: deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ woody openldap2
15:16.57greycatCaylan: sure they can.  see how many are in #gentoo?
15:17.08Caylanoh, snap!
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15:17.09daesothogreycat: lol
15:17.13gmoriczPortuguese....any problem???may I ask here?
15:17.18maitschawhen I plug in the usb-mouse i get information: "hub.c: USB new device connected on bus1/2, assigned device number 3". Does this mean it is on /dev/input/mice? When I configure /dev/input/mice, gpm doesn't work. Is it realy so difficult to make a usb-mouse working under sid?
15:17.23BlindManbob2: gnar! didn't look for openldap 8)
15:17.30ribnitzgmoricz: !portugese
15:17.34bob2BlindMan: heh, I just searched for slapd
15:17.38ribnitz!portugese
15:17.39dpkgfale por favor o inglês quando no #debian assim que em todos pode o compreender. Se você quiser usar uma outra língua, junte o #debian-rs.  Para ajuda em Portugus, use o canal #Debian-BR
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15:17.51daesothogmoricz: i was just curious
15:17.52bob2maitscha: no, it's easy
15:17.58bob2maitscha: use a debian kernel and install hotplug
15:18.04greycatwhat is the "-rs" for?
15:18.20daesothogmoricz: your sentences make sense, they're just somewhat ungrammatical
15:18.27MezzyMeatHow many !language's does dpkg has? :)
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15:18.35gmoriczOk...I am curious in solve my problem....it is really urgent...
15:18.40ricky_clarksonMezzyMeat: occo
15:18.42greycatribnitz: and why is "portuguese" spelled wrong?
15:18.48Wookkie__hi
15:18.48maitschabob2: I have to install a new kernel because I only want a usb-mouse?
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15:18.55asgtarbaz: :) cool
15:18.57bob2maitscha: um, no
15:18.57Wookkie__i killed my lilo
15:18.58MezzyMeatricky_clarkson And that is?
15:19.18ricky_clarksonMezzyMeat: 8 - and that's a guess anyway.
15:19.28Wookkie__and now i started from cd and like to boot with root
15:19.34ribnitzgreycat: why should I know?
15:19.41Wookkie__how can i accomplish taht
15:19.43greycatribnitz: well, you typed it, so...
15:19.44ricky_clarkson!bullshit
15:19.44dpkgDRINK!
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15:19.57gmoriczPLEASE....will someone help me or not?
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15:20.03greycat!tell gmoricz about ask
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15:20.08garglegmoricz: please ask :)
15:20.11ricky_clarksongmoricz: Can I take the second option?
15:20.12bob2gmoricz: go to #debian-br
15:20.36BizTyHi, my apt-get is screwed after trying to install mplayer wich apparently already was installed, what do I do?
15:20.41robewaldWookkie__: mount your root partition and chroot in
15:20.51robewaldlike chroot /mnt
15:20.56ricky_clarksonBizTy: Define screwed.
15:20.56d0ugieif you tape two turtles together back to back, they are unstoppable
15:20.59BizTywhen trying to do anything with apt-get i get:
15:21.01robewaldthen execute lilo
15:21.06greycatd0ugie: you mean belly to belly?
15:21.19BizTyYou might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
15:21.19BizTyThe following packages have unmet dependencies:
15:21.19BizTyaalib1-dev: Depends: libx11-dev but it is not going to be installed
15:21.19BizTymplayer-586: Depends: libxv1 but it is not going to be installed
15:21.19BizTyE: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a .
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15:21.23wumingsomiaj: what plugin i need to play sound with alsa? i have oss selected,,other two are not alsa
15:21.25gmoriczWell....asking again....I have installed postgresql, from the unstable packages, well, the database is working fine, but, when I try to find the pg_config...nothing...only the pg_config from the source directory....
15:21.25bob2idiot
15:21.32ricky_clarksonBizTy: run apt-get -f install
15:21.35bob2!+find pg_cofnig
15:21.36d0ugiegreycat: only on a long hill
15:21.40gmoriczI am already at the debian-br
15:21.44bob2!+find pg_config
15:21.45dpkgDebian Package/File/Desc Search of 'pg_cofnig' returned no results.
15:21.49bob2gmoricz: then what is the problem?
15:21.52dpkgDebian Search of 'pg_config' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/pg_config, /usr/lib/postgresql/bin/pg_config, /usr/include/postgresql/{pg_config.h|pg_config_manual.h|pg_config_os.h}) in libdevel/postgresql-dev.
15:22.17bob2gmoricz: install postgresql-dev
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15:22.26bob2gmoricz: in future, go to http://packages.debian.org/ before askign on IRC
15:22.39gmoriczok..I will try..
15:22.39BizTyi tried that, it gives this error (some of it):
15:22.40BizTyUnpacking x-dev (from .../x-dev_4.3.0.dfsg.1-1_all.deb) ...
15:22.41BizTydpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/x-dev_4.3.0.dfsg.1-1_all.deb (--u
15:22.41BizTynpack):
15:22.41BizTytrying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/include/X11/DECkeysym.h', which is also in pack
15:22.41BizTyage xlibs-dev
15:22.41*** kick/#debian [BizTy!~debhelper@rzlab.ucr.edu] by debhelper (flood)
15:22.41dpkgBizTy: You are moron #67
15:22.42JoshHouch
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15:23.08somiajwuming: in mine I have 4, OSS, ESD, ALSA and diskwriter....
15:23.30MezzyMeatBizTy then you may try to install that packages manually with dpkg instead.
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15:23.39streunerBizTy: /topic
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15:24.16wumingsomiaj:do i need install the alsa plugin? fromsomewhere
15:24.17ricky_clarksonBizTy: Have you noticed that you've been kicked a couple of times?
15:24.19somiajwuming: it comes with my version of xmms, xmms: /usr/lib/xmms/Output/libALSA.so
15:24.36BizTyhmmm... i'm not sure if i want to install it at all as it should already be in my dist
15:24.38somiajwuming: I'm surprised its not there, try apt-get --reinstall install xmms
15:24.53Guerinthe thing is - dpkg kicks the flooder before awarding the moron award
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15:25.01Guerinit ought to be the other way around
15:25.04greycatBizTy: dpkg -i --force-overwrite whatever.deb
15:25.10greycatBizTy: welcome to UNSTABLE.  Enjoy the ride.
15:25.14ricky_clarksonGuerin: dpkg and debhelper are separate bots.
15:25.21bob2jesus christ, how many kicks do you need before you stop pasting?
15:25.22BizTysorry my bad behavior, but i'm not quite sure how to use and behave on irc, i'll not paste again. sorry
15:25.27Guerinricky_clarkson: ah, so they are
15:25.34bob2hah
15:25.34d0ugiemy apt-get appears not to be adding installed programs to the global path .. any way to fix that?
15:25.34ricky_clarksonGuerin: The moron award was a different thing, not for flooding.
15:25.44bob2d0ugie: no
15:25.46gmoriczwow!!!!perfect dpkg!!!and, well...I installed from the src apt-source postgresql, and I did not imagine that the postgresql-dev isnt inside the source
15:25.53d0ugiek..
15:26.03ricky_clarksonBizTy: Have a read of the topic.
15:26.05wumingsomiaj:i only got 3 ,,xmms version 1.2 7
15:26.15gmoriczI am sry, I just thought that the irc existed to solve our questions..
15:26.19BizTyok
15:26.28bob2d0ugie: if a package isn't installign a program into /usr/bin, and you think it should, file a bug
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15:26.39bob2gmoricz: not to solve ones you can trivially solve yourself
15:26.47somiajwuming: I have 1.2.10, not to much different, it *should* be there, try to reinstall that package.....
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15:27.22gmoriczI have solved a lot bob2, and I am not here to discuss, only solve my problem, dpkg helped and I am thankfull..ok??
15:27.34wumingsoniaj:can i just get your .so file for alsa plugin?
15:27.37greycatgmoricz: dpkg didn't help you by itself.  It's a bot.
15:28.00somiajwuming: did you try to reinstall that package
15:28.02gmoriczok...but answered, being a bot or not, and worked....
15:28.07wumingyes..no luck
15:28.08gmoriczthanks bot
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15:29.16Caylancan anyone tell me where to find the documentation on the "noenv" in "session optional pam_mail.so standard noenv # [1]" becuase it's generating "PAM pam_putenv: delete non-existent entry; MAIL" in my logs :(
15:29.22somiajwuming: yea, I just double checked, libALSA.so is not in the xmms that comes with woody, try xmms.org and download that plugin.
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15:29.36loddercan anyone help me plz i need to know how i can add my windows partion to grub
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15:29.49wumingok
15:29.58Caylannothing is broken, but removing the noenv fixes it, but I need to know what it really does... cant find the docs for it
15:30.01somiajlodder: read the documatation, /usr/share/doc/grub (i'm sure there is an example of that there)
15:30.04gmoriczhey...anyways...thanks for all....must go..
15:30.05wumingsomiaj,or can i use sid backport for alsa-xmms
15:30.21bob2Caylan: do the obvious
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15:30.28d0ugielodder why do you need windows, yo?
15:30.31nkuttlerlodder: /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/html/
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15:30.36greycatCaylan: if it's not in the libpam-doc package then get the source...
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15:30.41somiajwuming: you could use the sid backport or download that plugin from xmms.org, your choice.
15:30.43Caylangotcha
15:30.46bob2Caylan: grep -r MAIL /etc/
15:30.53bob2it's to do with /etc/environment
15:31.08Chameleon21are there any programs or how could i do this - when an email is recieved on particular address - run a script depending on email address?
15:31.10bob2and some other file where you need to define vars, but I of course can't remember where
15:31.12somiajwuming: you could also use the alsa OSS emulation module and just play over oss as well....or use esd and have esd use alsa..there are varrious options, pick the one you like the best.
15:31.16deesphi all, some body here has remastering gnoppix?
15:31.22bob2Chameleon21: sure, procmail
15:31.26bob2deesp: #gnoppix
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15:31.37tritiumI can't get sound events in gnome 2.6 to work for anything.
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15:31.41tritiumThis guy's post pretty well describes my problems exactly: http://gnomesupport.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6340
15:31.45greycattritium: waaah.
15:31.51WarerHow do i add a custom init.d script i made to the boot list?
15:31.51petemcheh
15:31.59greycatWarer: man update-rc.d
15:32.00somiajWarer: man update-rc.d
15:32.05Warertanks
15:32.11deespyes, o know but any body awnser
15:32.18bob2deesp: then you wait
15:32.24bob2this channel has nothing to do with gnoppix
15:32.30deespok
15:32.41d0ugieuse dynebolic
15:32.50Caylani found all i needed to know in /etc/pam.d/login... i need to dislodge this bullet from my brain before I post my next question
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15:34.00elementcould someone help troubleshoot my NIC not coming up problem.  i'm new to debian and don't know why it's not coming up or pulling the DHCP from my router
15:34.01ixi-deb04Hi all. greycat: yesterday I asked about configuring several networks and typed invalid network names (.1-10, .11-20 etc). You corrected me and I thought I understood you. But later I started to think about it (imagine! :)) and realized that its not clear for me. The question is: can I use in network mask a numbers like: 11110001 where 0-s and 1-s are mixed? Sorry for silly question - I can't find good tutorial about networking.
15:34.06Warerat what runlevel should i add a network start scipt?
15:34.12asgpetemc: s/figlet/cowsay -f sheep/
15:34.13tritiumgreycat, you know, this should be an open place where we can freely discuss problems we encounter
15:34.14greycatWarer: 2
15:34.17petemcasg: :)
15:34.22greycatWarer: or whatever you use.
15:34.30Buddixi-deb04: I don't think you can.
15:34.42Warergreycat: what runlevel does network script work on?
15:34.46greycattritium: oh, then I'll throw in all my HP-UX 10 problems!
15:34.47elementanyone?
15:34.50Buddixi-deb04: And I'm pretty sure you shouldn't :)
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15:35.04NaHuKhi tjere
15:35.07petemcmy mobile phone doesnt work, can anyone help me??????
15:35.11NaHuKanyone has tested PEAR?
15:35.19tritiumgreycat, they're debian packages
15:35.21d0ugiegreycat: go to #hp-ux for that shit
15:35.22elementpetamc: yes, get a new one.
15:35.45greycatd0ugie: your irony detector is misaligned
15:35.57d0ugieheh heh
15:36.13elementcan anyone help me with my nic issues?
15:36.34petemcelement: get a new nic
15:36.44greycat!tell element about ask
15:36.45d0ugiegnu lesbian debian's porn-get is a bitch to compile
15:36.56g4ltgreycat what irony detector?
15:36.58d0ugiewhile we're on the subject
15:37.06greycatthat's "Lesbian GNU/Linux"
15:37.28ixi-deb04Budd: yes I'm sure too. But how can I define 2 nonintersecting subnets inside 192.168.0.0/24 net?
15:37.29daesothoporn get should be your bitch
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15:37.38elementi'm having problems with my NIC.  I'm not 100% positive the drivers are loaded.  It's the Linksys TX100 so i have the tulip drivers loaded.  The DHCP isn't coming up like it is on my other linux machine.  anyway to troubleshoot this?
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15:38.04greycatelement: ifconfig -a will tell you whether the interface exists.
15:38.12greycatelement: dmesg will give you more details
15:38.25elementgreenfly: yes, it does exist
15:38.28d0ugieanyone catch that war-flying segment cnn did last night
15:38.38greycatelement: short of that, we need to know what version of Debian, what kernel version, etc.
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15:39.02d0ugieapparently a lot of people's wifis are not secure
15:39.12ixi-deb04Budd: ?
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15:39.22elementgreenfly: i haven't done any kernel configurations yet.  it is a fresh install of debian (30r2)
15:39.31elementgreycat: sorry, that was for you.
15:40.00g4ltgreycat worse, since it's a linksys, which is known far and wide for the stability of their chipsets, we'd also need to know the card version....
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15:40.04elementgreycat: i have eth0: ADMtek Centaur-P rev 17 in my dmesg
15:40.26halpernTo install rpm packages on Debian systems, use alien. whats this mean
15:40.39Guerinhalpern: man alien
15:40.50greycatfind blahblah -name 'autoheader*' -print | while read f; do echo "`echo $f | tr -dc A-Za-z0-9` $f"; done | sort blahblah
15:40.53Guerinhalpern: alien converts rpms to .debs
15:40.53halpernno manual entry
15:40.53greycatoops.
15:41.03d0ugiehalpern: you download the rpm, type alien whatever.rpm, then install the whatever.deb
15:41.04Guerinhalpern: you might need to install it first
15:41.12greycatelement: what kernel?
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15:41.24Guerinhalpern: generally not advisable, though - try to get a .deb if at all possible
15:41.27elementgreycat: good question. at this point i dont know.  I never got to configure it
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15:41.34ixi-deb04Anybody knows how can I define 2 non-intersecting subnets inside 192.168.0.0/24 net? What masks can do this?
15:41.35greycatelement: uname -r
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15:41.47elementgreycat: :( 2.2.20
15:42.10boodleDoes anyone have a usb scanner working under kernel 2.6.x ? I keep getting odd i/o errors. I can often preview ok but can't actually scan
15:42.21greycatelement: /msg dpkg real kernel
15:42.22halpernwell im trying to compile mysql
15:42.26halpernbut im getting an error
15:42.32halperni was told to download all the ncurses packages
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15:42.36halpernand libncurses
15:42.38greycathalpern: libncurses5-dev
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15:43.06Guerinhalpern: DON'T install lib-dev packages from non-debian sources
15:43.11elementgreycat: i should probably get my NIC working before i can use apt-get, correct?
15:43.17Guerinhalpern: as in, via aliened rpms
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15:43.23greycatelement: you don't have the CD you installed from any more??
15:43.32elementgreycat: oh, just pop that in?
15:43.34greycatelement: (or isn't kernel-image-2.4.18 on CD #1?)
15:43.55elementgreycat: let me throw the cd in.
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15:43.59halpernok ty
15:44.29elementgreycat: i'm still getting 'E:couldn't find package kernel-image-2.4.16-1-386)'
15:44.34greycat.16??
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15:44.47Guerinhalpern: the libs to compile mysql are all available in debian, as well as preconfigured mysql packages - why don't you use those?
15:44.51greycatelement: did you do apt-cdrom add?
15:45.24ixi-deb04greycat: do you see me? if yes - please type '.' :)
15:45.25elementgreycat: which binary cd is the kernel on?
15:45.34greycatelement: /msg dpkg cd contents
15:45.39greycatnobody knows, nobody cares.
15:45.48greycatI have a CD-R with Linux kernel sources on it for PRECISELY this reason.
15:45.51halpernu mean mysql-client mysql-common
15:46.03Guerinhalpern: and mysql-server
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15:46.24halpernwell yea
15:46.27Guerinhalpern: but if you insist on compiling yourself, the libs DO exist in debian
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15:46.56halpernwell i dont have them installed
15:47.07halperncause i get this error
15:47.09halpernchecking for termcap functions library... configure: error: No curses/termcap library found
15:47.27leOnixi-deb04: /25 for instance
15:47.36g4lthalpern do you have the -dev libraries, or just teh executables?
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15:47.44leOnwould give you 2 subnets with 128 ips each
15:47.46halpernwhat -dev libraries?
15:47.55bob2halpern: install build-essential and libncurses5-dev
15:48.04halpernok one sec
15:48.37halpernalready newest version
15:48.49Guerinhalpern: both?
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15:49.05rich_hi
15:49.19Guerin!hi rich_
15:49.20dpkgMany greetings, rich_, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty.
15:49.32elementgreycat: i did apt-cdrom add for cd6, which is it says it's on, and i'm still getting that error where it can't find it
15:49.38halpernguerin: yes
15:49.38rich_:)
15:49.45halpernlet me try configuring it
15:49.51halpernsee if it helped at al
15:50.26halpernim sorry for annoying ya fellas
15:50.32halperni should learn my OS more before donig this stuff
15:50.41halpernbut i like learning by screwing around
15:50.42ixi-deb04leOn: then 1st is 192.168.0.128/25 and 2nd is 192.168.0.0/25 ?
15:50.44greycatelement: you have all the CDs?  Then add them all!!
15:50.46Guerinhalpern: sho' nuff
15:50.49greycatsheesh!
15:50.52halpernlol
15:50.58Guerinhalpern: are you installing from a debian src package?
15:50.58bob2halpern: have you read the channel FAQ?
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15:51.06elementgreycat: no, i only have 1/2/3/6/7
15:51.13halpernguerin:  mysql?
15:51.17leOnixi-deb04: more like the other way around
15:51.17Guerinhalpern: yes
15:51.24halperni could try that
15:51.26halpernand i have
15:51.30leOn0 comes before 128 no ?
15:51.32leOn=)
15:51.32Guerinhalpern: that would be a novel idea
15:51.32halpernbut i wanna know why its not compiling
15:51.41elementgreycat: but i've added them all and i still get the error
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15:51.46Guerinhalpern: if you did that, you could apt-get build-dep
15:51.58halpernwhats that do?
15:51.59Guerinwhich would install the libs for you too
15:52.16Guerinhalpern: but then again, you could just INSTALL THE DEBIAN PACKAGE
15:52.27Guerinerm, excuse me
15:52.28ixi-deb04leOn: sorry? I just set lefstmost bit of last byte to '1' and got 128. What I do wrong?
15:52.34halpernis it any different then compiling urself?
15:52.34siashello, i would like to install module IPS before install debian, how can i do ?
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15:52.50greycathalpern: yeah -- it *works*.
15:53.01halpernheh
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15:53.57halpernwell im trying to follow this tutorial
15:53.57elementgreycat: so all i do is put the cd in, hit apt-cdrom add, then apt-get kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386?
15:53.59maitschaMy mouse works under gpm, but not under X. So I configured /dev/gpmdata, but I doesn't work under X. What protocol do I have to configure under XF86Config-4???
15:54.00halpernto setup invision
15:54.02halpernhttp://www.linux-noob.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=611
15:54.09halpernhe compiles it
15:54.14halpernso i figure id do it the same way
15:54.21Guerinhalpern: in tutorials, they generally do
15:54.24codebreakeri have to machines connected with an serial cable on machine one i do  /sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100  what do i need to do/start on machine two to get a loginprompt?
15:54.25halpernso i dont miss any steps
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15:54.37Guerinhalpern: but doesn't he also tell youn which libs you need?
15:54.38greycatelement: no.  insert CD, apt-cdrom add, eject CD, insert next CD, apt-cdrom add, etc., etc.  Repeat until all Debian CDs have been scanned.  Then just type "apt-get install whatever".  IT WILL THEN PROMPT YOU FOR WHICHEVER CD IT NEEDS.
15:55.10halpernguerin: using that apt-get build-dep cmd what would i be getting
15:55.14halpernapt-get build-dep mysql?
15:55.15ixi-deb04leOn: you alive :) ?
15:55.47Guerinhalpern: whatever you needed to build the package you want to build
15:55.56Guerinhalpern: man apt-get
15:56.24d0ugieDid you hear about that woman that smoked dope in the streets of Baghdad? She was so stoned.
15:56.42halpernguerin: thx for the help
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15:57.10Guerind0ugie: that;s the funniest thing I've heard all day
15:57.18d0ugieword
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15:57.28Guerind0ugie: yeah, it's almost 1am here
15:57.39d0ugie:(
15:57.47Saw^Is there some sort of manual for c++, which would tell about std:: (eg. in std::cout)?
15:58.00bob2Saw^: stl-manual
15:58.07bob2for ths STL bits
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15:58.14wumingsomiaj,i got the plugin now, selected alsa plugin,,xmms playing there is a msg say buffer time reduced from 500ms to 371ms,,still no sound,.alsamixer each colum is set to top
15:58.24boodleDoes anyone have a usb scanner working under kernel 2.6.x ? I keep getting odd i/o errors. I can often preview ok but can't actually scan
15:58.30rich_d0ugie more stoned then the guy who looks like colnel saunders passed out on the corner in san francisco?
15:58.34boodleSpecifically I get ep0out errors
15:58.44rich_I mean that guy in china town
15:58.48elementgreycat: after doing that, i'm still getting the error
15:59.25d0ugierich_: i don't get it
15:59.30rich_I called the police because I thought he was hurt, and they told me "he lives there" So there is stoned people all over.
15:59.40leOnixi-deb04: yep, what is it ?
16:00.16rich_<d0ugie> Did you hear about that woman that smoked dope in the streets of Baghdad? She was so stoned.    <--Im just saying its not only bagdhad
16:00.27Guerinrich_: dude, it's a joke
16:00.38ixi-deb04leOn: I'm right or not? (about subnets)
16:01.00greycatelement: burn Linux 2.4.26 source onto a CD.  Build a kernel.
16:01.06leOnixi-deb04: about? ... i wasn't here
16:01.28leOnixi-deb04: better taki this to private, it's not debain related
16:01.29Arandaanybody know how install ac97 sound in debian?
16:01.39asgAranda: /msg dpkg ac97
16:01.39leOns/taki/take/
16:01.42greycatAranda: /msg dpkg audio
16:01.44d0ugiearanda install modconf
16:01.44Saw^bob2: should I search for that or is it in a debian package or something?
16:01.48WarerHow do i manually set the gateway for an interface?
16:01.49bob2!+ac97
16:01.50dpkgwell, ac97 is there's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip
16:01.57bob2Saw^: it's the name of a debian package
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16:02.05greycatWarer: FAQ.  man interfaces.  /msg dpkg interfaces   /msg dpkg man interfaces
16:02.07elementgreycat: the bz2 image file?
16:02.08Guerindamn, I'm glad I didn't hit enter on my !tell ac97
16:02.15Saw^bob2: oki, thanks =)
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16:02.40karlwhat is the module for rtl-8139 in woody bf24
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16:02.44bob2Saw^: also get "c++ annotations", quite handy
16:02.48bob2karl: you don't need one
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16:02.58prockwhere is default console keymap stored?
16:03.01Arandad0ugie i do it, selected sound card and ac97
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16:03.07greycatAranda: WHICH CARD??
16:03.07karlIt is compiled in kernel ?
16:03.08Arandabut is not works
16:03.10Aranda:_
16:03.10greycat!smite Aranda
16:03.12Arandaac97
16:03.16emanuelezhello channel!
16:03.18greycat!tell Aranda about ac97
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16:03.45greycatdpkg, ac97 =~ s/audio chip/audio chip.  Usually (for OSS, not ALSA) this means either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio./
16:03.46dpkggreycat: OK
16:03.50d0ugieAranda: look for your card running lspci
16:03.50greycat!tell Aranda about ac97
16:03.51lanchowwhere do i write my aliases for consoles shells
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16:04.11emanuelezrunning woody here... xfree 4.1 is istalled... but there is no X file at all... any hint?
16:04.19greycatemanuelez: apt-get install x-window-system
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16:04.37emanuelezgreycat: thx
16:04.51bob2lanchow: ~/.bashrc
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16:05.15greycatlanchow: and make sure your ~/.bash_profile has UNCOMMENTED the "source ~/.bashrc" line.
16:05.27bob2hah
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16:05.35lanchowbob2: no this one is loaded when you exec bash a second time
16:05.35greycatwhoever failed to do that in the default /etc/skel file needs to be cat5-cable-whipped.
16:05.36bob2and read the INVOCATION section of the bash manpage
16:05.44greycatlanchow: SEE ABOVE.
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16:05.47bob2lanchow: 02:05:38           bob2 | and read the INVOCATION section of the bash manpage
16:05.52bob2lanchow: 02:05:17        greycat | lanchow: and make sure your ~/.bash_profile has UNCOMMENTED the "source ~/.bashrc" line.
16:05.53sussudiogreycat: thicknet
16:06.11bob2oh, withone of those BNC spikes on it
16:06.12greycatsussudio: I think a thinner cable will hurt more.
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16:06.28nomeata<PROTECTED>
16:06.32Gueringreycat: thin will sting, thick will do lasting damage
16:06.39sussudiogreycat: well, these token ring cables i have here have connectors that would probably hurt
16:06.41lanchowok thanks
16:06.44Guerinnomeata: #php
16:06.52emanueleznomeata: do u want it to depend on mysql?
16:06.56bob2nomeata: apt-cache search web gallery
16:07.00bob2nomeata: like 5 of 'em
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16:07.10nomeataemanuelez: wouldn't mind
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16:07.41emanueleznomeata: why don't u like gallery... i really think it is the best out there
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16:07.53d0ugiegallery is elite
16:08.24Guerind0ugie: it's nice, but I'm gonna move all of my sites to phpwiki I think
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16:08.42nomeataemanuelez: well, if I found one with perl, I could more easily adjust it. And one with a proper templating system (a la the Text::Template module) would be great.
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16:09.11suidikhow can I block netware IPX from my internal net on my debian gateway/firewall ?
16:09.31Wimpie<PROTECTED>
16:09.33emanueleznomeata: ops... unfortunately perl is out of my sight line ;)
16:09.37libvsuidik: does your router support ipx to start with?
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16:09.38greycatsuidik: block it from doing what?
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16:10.15nomeataemanuelez: thx anyway
16:10.33suidiklibv: I've no IPX support in kernel and I haven't any ipx tools intalled, but that debian router forwards ipx :-(
16:10.50greycatsuidik: then it's encapsulated in IP, and you're forwarding the IP.
16:11.01emanueleznomeata: anyway... in these days i'm taking a look at singapore... it looks ok... try to see if it is close to your needs
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16:11.15suidikgreycat: ok, and how should I stop that ?
16:11.42takisdhi, is there a defrag tool  - do i need to defrag?
16:11.46greycatsuidik: sledgehammer to the Novell boxes?
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16:12.01emanueleztakisd: no need to defrag
16:12.02nomeataemanuelez: thx, I will check it out.
16:12.05rich_takisd depends what file system you use.
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16:12.18takisdrich_: ext3
16:12.46rich_takisd I dont know but Id assume everyone else is right and defragging isnt needed.
16:12.48libvsuidik: find out how that encapsulation is taking place
16:12.50opqdonuttakisd: eventually you will need to defrag, but that might be 5 years away
16:12.51suidikgreycat: what do you mean ? I didn't understand that :-(
16:12.58greycatyes you did.
16:12.59asg!punish mod_python, punish the bastard that insists on using it.
16:13.04greycat!dict sledgehammer
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16:13.07libvsuidik: it's bound to be on top of TCP/UDP, find out which ports it uses
16:13.07dpkgDictionary 'sledgehammer' (2 shown): a heavy long-handled hammer used to drive stakes or wedges ;; beat with a sledgehammer [syn: {sledge}].
16:13.15libvsuidik: google
16:13.16takisdrich_: thats what i've heard thank - and emanualz thanks
16:13.35suidiklibv: ok, thanx
16:14.13rich_takisd I mean I use xfs and so I use a utility called xfs_fsr, but each file system is different
16:14.36rich_takisd no problem
16:14.42libvalthough, wouldnt it be a protocol on top of ip only, in which case you should be able to block it seperately
16:14.43morph_hi
16:14.53libvin any case, google
16:14.56takisdrich_: i've heard mostly that you don't need to but some places i read you do... go figure
16:14.58emanueleztakisd: :)
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16:15.05takisdhow do i get a cd to automount
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16:15.22morph_im going to make a question, that i dont want to make, but i have no other choice
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16:15.36Isbitenlo
16:15.40opqdonutmorph_: get over with it then
16:15.48takisdhang on... its automounted my music cd
16:15.52takisdcool
16:15.54morph_has any here work with MS Active Directory?
16:15.55Isbitenjust want to sa that debian rocks, I've tried like 4 distros and debian is the best :p
16:15.59asgmorph_: yes
16:16.01rich_takisd Well I think if one person says it needs to be done once every 5 years then you can guess that someone else believes that should be done once a month, depending on the use.
16:16.06Guerintakisd: music discs don't get mounted
16:16.07opqdonuttakisd: music cds don't need to be mounted to be played
16:16.20greycatunless it's a combo music/data CD
16:16.22asg!congratulate Isbiten
16:16.23dpkghooray Isbiten, you did it!
16:16.27morph_asg: i have to make a lab for connect a samba to an active dir
16:16.37resiakMy SB Audigy (emu10k1 via ALSA) has apparently decided that it will stop working. It used to be that sound would stop working after a while of leaving the PC alone, but logging out of gnome, killing esd (which mysteriously keeps on running after I log out) and re-running alsaconf seemed to do the trick (or sometimes just `alsa restart`)... Now there is much doom and gloom. Any advice for what to look at? (Yes, I am in gro
16:16.37asgmorph_: #samba should be able to help there
16:16.46takisdok guys, what about data cd
16:16.47rich_I mean it either needs to be done or it doesnt..
16:16.55asgmorph_: I've only ever done authentication using libpam-ldap and libpam-krb5
16:16.56morph_asg: the question is, for install a active directory what i need? w2k professional works?
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16:17.02premhi
16:17.12Isbitenonce my sources.list was edited to suit me everything has worked flawlessly
16:17.22asgmorph_: oh, I think 2k server is required but M$'s site could confirm
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16:17.51premi am running debian sarge. upgraded to 2.4.26 . after reboot it says cramfs: too large what to do and unable to mount root fs
16:17.57difetahey all! what packages do i need to install to get the xrandr extension working for x on sarge?
16:18.35JoshHthats what you guys get for trying to stable by running sarge
16:18.48somiajdifeta: try 'apt-cache search xrandr' and figure it out for yourself.
16:18.48JoshHerr, be stable
16:19.22difetasomiaj, i already have and i've already installed all the packages it returns
16:19.34nomeataemanuelez: has nice looks, but lacks gallery's sophisticated upload mechanism. guess I'll stay with gallery
16:19.45Guerindifeta: and do you get any errors when you try to resize or rotate?
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16:19.59REyM*eet
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16:20.15somiajdifeta: have ya read /usr/share/doc/libxrandr2 (see if there are any pointers)
16:20.27difetaGuerin, i'm trying to use the gnome gui prog so i dont get anything like that
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16:21.04Guerindifeta: the KDE one at least tells me my version of xserver isn't good enough :)
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16:21.30difetasomiaj, noting exists in there
16:21.35difetalixrandr that is
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16:21.38emanuelez_where do i find an apt source for opera browser on woody?
16:21.40resiakI'll take that as a resounding no. Oh well...
16:21.48difetaGuerin, well, then the kde one is very nice :)
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16:22.24JoshHi cant believe people actually use woody as a desktop
16:22.27Guerinemanuelez_: /msg dpkg opera
16:22.30JoshHthat would just suck
16:22.40GuerinJoshH: with the right backports it could work
16:22.40JoshHor opera as a browser
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16:22.50GuerinJoshH: right with you on that one :)
16:22.51somiajdifeta: also you could try google, see if you modle loaded correctly in the xlog and stuff like that
16:22.57egDows anyone know how to start the x0rfbserver on a remote machine (via ssh)?
16:23.12Guerin!tell eg about polls
16:23.13difetasomiaj, ahh ok
16:23.15JoshHya, but why not just use something newer.  it just seems odd to me to use a 2 year old distro with newer packages backported, instead of just sticking with sarge or sid
16:23.38GuerinJoshH: Same reason people still use windows 2000
16:23.40difetasomiaj, do i have to speiciy in my xconfig to load the module?
16:23.43egwhoops! sorry about that
16:23.46opqdonutGuerin: that wasn't a poll
16:23.49GuerinJoshH: nah, scrap that
16:23.59rich_JoshH It depends what you want from a desktop. The wonderful thing about x and the various window managers that run on it is they are cross platform so if you know how to use, say , fvwm, you can write your own "desktop" and take it with you wherever you go, anyplace which has x, which means any os except windows.
16:24.01somiajdifeta: that is my guess, but I have never messed with it...
16:24.01opqdonuteg: see the manual for the server
16:24.05Guerinopqdonut: does anyone ....?
16:24.07difetak
16:24.08difetathx
16:24.10rich_all the ones worth trying
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16:24.33JoshHrich_: by desktop, i meant a desktop machine
16:24.44opqdonutGuerin: he was asking for help for crissakes!
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16:25.15Guerinopqdonut: sure, people almost always are when they poll....
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16:25.25Guerinopqdonut: fine, I was a bit keen there
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16:25.52opqdonutGuerin: i think a 'does avyone use x0rfbsersdgfhsd' would've been more disturbing
16:26.05emanuelez_JoshH: i had to brinh life to a K6-2 333 with 48 Mb ram and the only debian cds i had were woody's
16:26.13opqdonutGuerin: yeah
16:26.15Guerineg: my apologies, I haven't used enough ! commands in the last hour, I'm gettin' itchy :)
16:26.27opqdonutheh
16:26.31JoshHand youre going to run x and opera on that?
16:26.31asgGuerin: well, *smite me a few times then
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16:26.39ricky_clarkson!yorkshiresmite asg
16:26.40Guerineg: and no, I don't know your question, but I will now google for you, see if I can't find something....
16:26.44rich_JoshH Yes well linux has always been better than windows as a desktop machine because the limitations that the industry sets have always been below what the desktop user actually needs. They said we didnt need the colors we did, they said we didnt need the speed, we did, they said we didnt need the multi threading in the kernel, we did, they said we didnt need a multi threading filesystem, we do, because the apps us desktop users bneed dema
16:26.44rich_nd more and more of the hardware every day so the software has to keep up.
16:26.47Guerin!kiwismite asg
16:26.50egThe problem is that I can't start the server unless i'm psysically logged on the remote computer
16:27.06asgeg: what error does it give you?
16:27.06emanuelez_JoshH: X runs fine... icewm as windows manager
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16:27.38mdalyhow do i start a process that will not be killed after i logout? is this what -nohup is for?
16:27.50asgmdaly: screen or /usr/bin/nohup
16:27.53opqdonutmdaly: yes
16:28.03emanuelez_JoshH: anyway.. feel free to tell me hoe to convert this woody into a sarge... broadband connection here
16:28.10emanuelez_JoshH: :D
16:28.36PerfDaverich_: ...what have Microsoft ever done for us? ;)
16:28.37mdalywell i've already started the command in the background is there a way to make it nohup?
16:28.48opqdonutemanuelez_: AFAIK you just change your sources.list and do apt-get dist-upgrade
16:28.50asgPerfDave: besides the roads, wine, fresh water...
16:28.58opqdonutmdaly: not really
16:29.21mdalyopqdonut, that stinks... thanks for the info though
16:29.33emanuelez_opqdonut: yes i know... that's why i was looking for a low mem browser.. i want to look for those repositories :P
16:29.34bl4hI keep forgetting this -- how do you get $DISPLAY to be set?  (I've installed xbase-clients and re-ssh'ed back in)
16:29.35opqdonutmdaly: np
16:29.39mdalywhere do i remember a -nohup switch
16:29.42mdalyminux?
16:29.51opqdonutemanuelez_: dillo is really for small mem
16:29.56opqdonut*really good
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16:30.09emanuelez_opqdonut: yeah... i'm apting it now :)
16:30.53rich_PerfDave public relations. tiny limp convinced secretaries and the secretaries bosses that they could have something that the just couldnt provide and convinced them to spend a lot of money on hardware that they really couldnt use, because the technology was not ready to interface with secretaries. That lowered the price of hardware for real computer users and caused technological revolution, that some people call a "bubble".
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16:31.43ricky_clarkson!longhorn
16:31.44dpkgYou know why it's called longhorn? Look at its logo: http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ne/pg/fd/102703msft2.jpg
16:31.55maitschadoes somebody has knowledge with a logitech messanger?
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16:32.40zhengyimdaly: nohup is actually a general utility, not a switch -- man 1 nohup
16:32.51Guerineg: sprachen sie deutsch?
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16:33.10Guerindpkg, longhorn is also wronghorn
16:33.10dpkgokay, Guerin
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16:33.48ricky_clarksonI have a machine at home with no Internet connection, and a machine here which will get some data to it via some other machine and a zip drive.  I want to install metacity on it, but I don't know whether all the dependencies will have been met.  Is there a way of downloading the metacity deb and all its dependencies using apt-get or similar?
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16:34.07Guerindamnit, eg done gone quit, and I think I found him an answer ...
16:34.24asgricky_clarkson: maybe apt-rdepends
16:34.24bl4hanyone know how to get $DISPLAY working?
16:34.26maitschawronghorn? hahah....
16:34.37Guerinricky_clarkson: apt-get -d install just downloads them
16:34.54asgbl4h: what are you trying to do?
16:34.54rellikanybody here good with bash? ...how do I open a new fd? I want to do something like "exec >&4; echo "testing"; cat <&4 >output; " ...this correctly outputs nothing to stdout...  but 'output' is still emtpy afterwards
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16:35.18maitschaGuerin: ich spreche deutsch.
16:35.20ricky_clarksonrellik: #bash
16:35.23asgrellik: have you asked in #bash?
16:35.40Nurbsricky_clarkson: apt-zip?
16:35.46nonix4rellik: try named pipes instead
16:36.03rellikricky_clarkson, asg, nobody knows in #bash :(
16:36.11Guerinmaitscha: but you don't need help with x0rfbserver ssh remote howto
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16:36.18emanuelez_dillo rocks :)
16:36.19relliknonix4 : can named pipes redirect input as well?
16:36.30Nurbsricky_clarkson: of course you need to get apt-zip first, but that only depends on apt :)
16:36.33maitschaGuerin: no. sry.
16:36.42bl4hasg: I've set up a new unstable install (w/ no X) but have X apps installed on there.  I've done this in the past, but when you ssh in, there's obviously no $DISPLAY set
16:36.47ricky_clarksonNurbs: So the home machine will need apt-zip too, you mean?
16:37.06Guerinmaitscha: don't be sorry, be happy!
16:37.20asgbl4h: /msg dpkg sshx
16:37.31maitschaGuerin: yeah ;-))
16:37.45relliknonix4: thanks!  named pipes is exactly what I was looking for
16:37.51Nurbsricky_clarkson: uh, the one where you want to install thing has to have apt-zip installed, which then will generate a script to fetch all necessary packages on some other machine.
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16:38.42ricky_clarksonNurbs: Gotcha.
16:38.53Warer_I am looking for some help tacking down my iptables problem. Iptables dosen's seem to block anything, i type iptables -F FORWARD DROP and all goes through.
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16:39.10ricky_clarksonNurbs: I'll stick that on my zip disk now then, ta.
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16:39.24bl4hasg: sorry, I don't quite follow
16:39.27GuerinOoh goody, the slashdot mod fairy shat on me again!
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16:39.54bl4hasg: X11Forwarding is already enabled in my sshd_config
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16:40.10GuerinNow it's just a matter of finding 5 comments which aren't complete shit ....
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16:40.45ricky_clarksonGuerin: You've been downmodding a lot?
16:41.05Guerinricky_clarkson: I can't be arsed downmodding, mostly
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16:41.19Guerinricky_clarkson: like bailing the ocean into a lake
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16:42.22josbelHi.. is there some type of app or something to let any user shutdown my box without root password?
16:42.37croddysudo
16:42.46croddyalso /etc/shutdown.allow
16:43.00josbelOh...
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16:43.30josbelI have no /etc/shutdown.allow
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16:44.03ricky_clarksonWhere does apt-get put the debs it downloads?
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16:44.11Guerinjosbel: man shutdown tells you all aboiut it
16:44.14maitschadoes somebody has knowledge with a logitech webcam?
16:44.17croddy/var/cache/apt
16:44.26josbelGuerin: Thanks
16:44.28Guerinricky_clarkson: /var/cache/apt/packages
16:44.28opqdonuti just broke my toe, ouch
16:44.41Guerinopqdonut: doing what?
16:44.52opqdonutGuerin: running
16:44.53ricky_clarksonExaggerating his ailments, probably.
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16:45.11opqdonutwell, it went all white and is twisted...
16:45.18ricky_clarksonGuerin: /var/cache/apt exists but not the packages.
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16:45.24opqdonutand hurts like hell
16:45.27Guerinricky_clarkson: sorry, archives
16:45.30Guerinnot packages
16:45.46Guerin/var/cache/apt/archives/
16:45.51ricky_clarksonGotcha, thanks.
16:45.59korshi people.
16:46.01Guerinopqdonut: did you kick something?
16:46.17Warer_I need some help getting iptables to work on my bridge interface, seems iptables dosen't receive anything
16:46.26Guerinopqdonut: you probably ought take at least a week off work, stay at home and drink a lot of whisky
16:46.28nomeataHi. Is the Gnu Gaming Zone still active? 'cause the server always seems to be emtpy...
16:46.29opqdonutGuerin: yes, a ledge
16:46.47Guerinopqdonut: blood?
16:46.51opqdonutno
16:47.10opqdonutnomeata: google?
16:47.18Guerinopqdonut: probably not immediately troublesome then
16:47.26Guerin(that's my general theory)
16:47.28opqdonutGuerin: yeah
16:47.48opqdonutmy friend's had a fractured toe, and it didn't bother much
16:47.53ricky_clarksonopqdonut: A friend of mine broke her toe recently, they didn't even X ray it, just taped it to the other toe.
16:48.02nomeataopqdonut: well, google finds web sites, not players :-)
16:48.04opqdonuttoes fix easily
16:48.08ricky_clarksonopqdonut: It wasn't the big toe though, maybe the big toe is different.
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16:48.24Guerinnomeata: and you use the web sites to find players
16:48.24opqdonutricky_clarkson: i broke the second smalklest one :)
16:48.31ricky_clarksonopqdonut: Same one!
16:48.35Guerinnomeata: that's the traditional way, anyhow
16:48.41opqdonutnomeata: you use web sites to see if anybody plays...
16:48.45opqdonutricky_clarkson: spooky :)
16:48.54Guerinnomeata: the other way, which won't work, is to go ask in unrelated IRC channels
16:48.58ricky_clarksonopqdonut: You're not called Jenny are you? ;)
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16:49.07opqdonutricky_clarkson: no, Joel
16:49.09opqdonut:)
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16:49.48nomeataGuerin: not totally unrelated - I use debian packages to play. but if you think this channel is overflowed by unrelated stuff, don't start unrelated discussions...
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16:50.33Guerinnomeata: I don't think that at all
16:50.58Guerinnomeata: but, honestly, if you were looking for a CS server, would you ask in #windows
16:50.59Guerin?
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16:51.27nomeataGuerin: well, before not asking at all - yes. (I checked for a #ggz, but that did not exist)
16:51.40opqdonutah, are there any good smack em up games for linux?
16:51.48opqdonutgwww.frshmeat.net
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16:51.54opqdonutsry
16:52.09PhateIs there no LVS support in the 2.4.26 kernel
16:52.10rich_opqdonut quake
16:52.11ricky_clarksonopqdonut: apt-cache search game | less #is what I'm doing right now as it happens :)
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16:52.24green_earsopqdonut: bzflag ?
16:53.12green_earsopqdonut: and armagetron which is very fast
16:53.29wuminghow to test the sound card are configured properly
16:53.31NurbsPhate: LVS?
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16:53.40opqdonuti meant a tekken type of hit-and-kick-your-opponent game
16:53.48Guerinwuming: play some music
16:53.54opqdonutwuming: 'yes > /dev/dsp'
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16:54.27NeoChuckyhello
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16:54.39daesothohow about cat file.wav | xargs yes > /dev/dsp?
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16:55.02greycatdaesotho: what the hell is that supposed to do?
16:55.11green_earsopqdonut: but the two mentioned are online as well and both work well in sarge, one problem lost the sound in armagetron
16:55.12Nurbsloop :)
16:55.14NeoChuckyis anybody here using woody and having Sodipodi installed, please?
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16:55.34daesothoor maybe the .wav wrapper is going to include ugly noise
16:55.37Phateok found it
16:55.43NeoChuckyI believe I'm becoming crazy...
16:55.45daesothobetter to convert your sound file to .pcm first i think
16:55.49PhateNurbs: linux virtual server
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16:55.58NurbsPhate: ah.
16:56.36stewPhate: there is LVS in 2.4.26
16:56.53stewPhate: you have to enable netfilter for it to show up though
16:56.55Phatestew: I know - forgot to enable the firewall option
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16:57.16Phatestew: thanks - allready compiling
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16:57.29stewPhate: i happened to have spent a little while searching for it yesterday as well ;)
16:57.34Phatestew: you have any experience with failover and loadbalancing
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16:57.41Phateoh great
16:57.41wumingmy sound modules loaded fine,,xmms run fine mixer run fine,,but still no sound,,what i need to look at?
16:57.47stewPhate: i think i'm a few hours ahead of you but thats it
16:58.25JoshHwuming: is there an error?
16:58.42JoshHcan you hear sound as root?
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16:58.53Phatestew: now what would you do in case of a box having to nic's - I already tried heartbeat but its not taking over the first nic if the box is still healthy
16:59.04wumingjoshH, no
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16:59.20wumingjoshH:i put my username in to audio already
16:59.30nkuttlerwuming: do you use alsa?
16:59.33bl4hon a headless server, how do you get $DISPLAY?
16:59.37wumingnkuttler:yep
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16:59.58rich_wuming dont be offended because this is so simple, but its happenned to me that there was a tiny knob right near the audio output jack on the sound card.
17:00.01Phatestew: working on a redundant firewall with one VIP - but heartbeat doesn't like the fact of having to monitor two nic's
17:00.15rich_everything else seemed to work.
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17:00.28Phatebtw - have you tried bonding two nic's with LVS??
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17:00.43Guerincd Billie_Holliday_-_Memories_of_Lady_Day/ ; wget -c `cat list`
17:00.46Guerindamn
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17:00.55Guerinwrong window
17:01.00stewPhate: i'm not working on failover yet, just load balancing. no on nic bonding too
17:01.01nkuttlerwuming: you turned up the volume and unmuted?
17:01.06wumingrich_:what tiny knob,,it works fine in windows.so i assume no hard ware errors
17:01.15wumingnkuttler:sure i did,,
17:01.31Phatestew: ok :) rock'n'roll dude
17:01.33nkuttlerwuming: you use oss compatibility?
17:01.37rich_wuming the mixer runs, are you sure the appropriate levels are turned up?
17:01.48wumingrick_;i am sure
17:01.57wumingnkuttler:yes
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17:03.15nkuttlerwuming: only turning up the volume isn't enough, you need to unmute too
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17:03.22nkuttlerwuming: try an oss mixer, like aumix
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17:03.47adfanyone have a good link for installing java vm?
17:03.49ricky_clarksonnkuttler: I think I suggested that a couple of hours ago (unless that was to a different person).
17:03.54ricky_clarksonadf: java.sun.com
17:03.57Guerin!tell adf about java
17:03.58nkuttlerricky_clarkson: doh
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17:04.21wumingnkuttler:they are all unmuted
17:04.55asgbl4h: did you message the bot and follow the information in the factoid?
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17:05.55ricky_clarkson!private massage
17:05.56dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, private massage is what sussudio does to his badgers
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17:06.15gameducknotify
17:06.18gameduckhi
17:06.20ricky_clarksonwait
17:06.22gameducksomeone was helping me
17:06.24gameduckwho was it?
17:06.31ricky_clarksonThe Lord?
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17:06.37gameduck:)
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17:06.44asgricky_clarkson: Badger Lord, lvl 32
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17:06.52nkuttlergameduck: how is that important? ask your question.
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17:06.56ricky_clarksonHoho.
17:06.59eeyore-howdy
17:07.03asghiya
17:07.19zezomis it possible to make find output it's dir listing with a \ before any spaces and other such characters?
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17:07.29gameduckI installed the testing version of debian. does it come with apache 1.3.9? or only apache 2?
17:07.32asgzezom: use the -print0 | xargs -0 trick
17:07.47zezomasg, thanks I'll try it
17:07.56eeyore-zezom: no, but you could always tr, quote, or -0
17:07.58gameducki did a apt-cache search apache and i see apache
17:08.01gameduckis that 1.39
17:08.04bl4hasg: I'd asked what you meant and didn't get a reply.  I just did and hey, it works.  Imagine that :)
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17:08.09bl4hthanks
17:08.12eeyore-zezom: there are ways of getting around bash IFS, including setting IFS to something else ;-)
17:08.18nkuttlergameduck: apt-cache policy package
17:08.19asgbl4h: sorry, had an issue at work that I had to attend to.
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17:08.21zezomeeyore-, thanks
17:08.51asgeeyore-: but not like the nutty broken example in /sbin/kernelversion :p
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17:09.11gameduckthx nkuttler
17:09.15gameduckwhat coese policy package tell me?
17:09.25plugwashanyone know when the mindi/mindi-kernel version mismatch in unstable will be fixed?
17:09.36nkuttlergameduck: rtfm?
17:09.40gameduck:)
17:09.47asgplugwash: check incoming and let us know when the new packages arrive.
17:09.49eeyore-plugwash: mindi?
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17:10.40gameduckok. i was wondering if there is a setting or modules i can choose from when install apache 1.3.26. Like #LoadModules vhost-alias Modules config_log . still like that  list of modules i want to install how would i go about doing that? when install apache using apt-get install apache?
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17:11.44sussudio!britsnack
17:12.18zezomo.O Thums.db files were taking up 79Mb on one of my partitions alone... time to check the others...
17:13.19ricky_clarkson!dutch
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17:13.20dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, dutch is soome straangje laanguaage daat sussudio kjeeps spjeeaaking, or #debian.nl, lei mangia delle tartarughe marcie
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17:14.00cultihi
17:14.00plusrandoes anyone know how to increase the console resolution?
17:14.21sussudioplusran: bigger monitor?
17:14.27plusranheh
17:14.28asgplugwash: use a framebuffer console
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17:14.34Guerinplusran: put vga=791 on your kernel params line
17:14.36zezomthat's weird there were 2 Thums.db files on my vfat partitions that I could only remove with root but all the others were removed fine... I didn't know that vfat had permishions...
17:15.08plusransomehow, those don't seem safe
17:15.18Guerinplusran: if you want 1024x768, that is
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17:15.23Guerinplusran: ??
17:15.26plusranok
17:15.27asgplugwash: it is if you have fbcon support in your kernel
17:15.44asgplugwash: uname -r && paste it here
17:16.00ricky_clarksonsussudio: How does making the pixels bigger alter the resolution?
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17:16.13plusrani noticed knoppix had a HUGE console resolution
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17:16.27plusranso i'll try that...
17:16.28josbelHi... Could someone here help me with sudoers file?
17:16.30Guerinplusran: it's defaultly 1024
17:16.35plusransweet.
17:16.42Guerinplusran: a big pita for peeps like me with 800x600
17:16.48plusranhehe
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17:16.53plugwashplusran i think it's a 1024x768 framebuffer console in knoppix
17:16.54asgjosbel: man 5 sudoers
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17:17.06naimsussudio, plusran read about fram buffer
17:17.08zinxGuerin: tell it :x
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17:17.15zinxGuerin: screen=800x600 or something
17:17.17naimsussudio, plusran read about frame buffer ..sorry
17:17.21plusranframe buffers huh, cool.
17:17.25Guerinzinx: vga=789
17:17.26korshi people
17:17.34josbelasg: I did man sudoers but it didn't help as much as I would of liked... All I want is to have the user students be able to shutdown.
17:17.35zinxGuerin: nah, knoppix has some weird stuff
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17:17.46plusranok, i'm going to go play with these things
17:17.47Guerinzinx: yeah, knoppix was screen=
17:17.50plusrani'll be back
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17:17.57Guerinzinx: but I haven't used it in ages
17:18.05zinxheh :)
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17:18.51Guerinjosbel: just one user?
17:19.01asgjosbel: try user ALL = NOPASSWORD: /sbin/shutdown
17:19.50gameduckok. i was wondering if there is a setting or modules i can choose from when install apache 1.3.26. Like #LoadModules vhost-alias Modules config_log . still like that  list of modules i want to install how would i go about doing that? when install apache using apt-get install apache?
17:20.17Gueringameduck: uncomment the lines in your httpd.conf
17:21.52korsany debian-specific tips/tricks/pitfalls to avoid for new user? (just ordered 13-CD sarge set). I did use *nix much before (*bsd since mid-90s), and had some experience with RH (on servers). Had to switch to linux at home (damn incompatible hardware, especially palm). RH, Suse and (especially) mandrake were a HUGE pita. So, now I'm going to try debian. I used apt before (apt-rpm on rh actually). Anything I should know/read? :)
17:22.00Warer_trying to patch a kernel source here, but patch command is not found, help, where do i find it?
17:22.10Guerinkors: READ
17:22.13asgkors: /msg dpkg ig (the install guide)
17:22.16sussudio!tell kors about ig
17:22.37asgkors: also, some helpful tips are available in our channel faq (/msg dpkg faq)
17:22.43korsok
17:22.43gameduckguerin i see. so by default it'll install all that modules right??
17:22.51gameduckbut all i do is just uncomment them out right?
17:22.59Gueringameduck: they're all installed, they just aren't all loaded
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17:23.07gameducki see i see..
17:23.10gameduckthx!!
17:23.17Gueringameduck: there are yet more modules you can install, though
17:23.27gameduckguerin how would i do that?
17:23.42Gueringameduck: apt-cache search apache |grep mod
17:23.44asgkors: also http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/index.html (it's a little old but gives some good overview information)
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17:24.09elementgreycat: thanks for trying to help me.  I popped the sarge netinstall cd in, and it's working like a beauty now :)
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17:24.51korsasg: great - that is smth. I wanted - debian-specific notes, not guides "how to partiotion disks" starting with "make sure your box is powered on" :)
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17:25.29asgkors: cool. Also, this is a very lively and active channel. Asking questions here will often get you pointed in the right direction as well.
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17:26.28korsasg, tnx
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17:27.09wumingsomiaj,or can i use sid backport for alsa-xmms
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17:27.52zezomdoes the asus onboard wifi card/slot work under linux?
17:28.45somiajwuming: you could find a backport ofr xmms (it probably isn't called alsa-xmms) you can find them apt-get.org if you want.
17:29.05Warer_How do i apply a patch to a kernel in debian?
17:29.28nonix4kors: imho there's only one serious pitfall: the sheer amount of packages - of course if you enjoy spending days wondering which pkgs to install then that's no prob :-)
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17:30.02wumingsomiaj:sorrry that was by mistake,,i already got the alas xmms by backport,,right now,,still no sounds out via alsa plugin,,what else i need to look at
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17:31.00bahamatdoes anybody know offhand, with iptables, do rules at the top take precedence, or rules at the bottom?
17:31.24aztecincHello somiaj
17:31.51FieldySnutsbahamat: it flows into the first rule, then the next, then the next.... (top)
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17:31.57Warer_How do i apply a patch to a kernel in debian? when i try patch it says command not found
17:32.14greycatnonix4: ITYM packages-that-dont-suck
17:32.14bahamatFieldySnuts: so is it first match, then it stops checking?
17:32.17xamWarer_: apt-get install patch
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17:32.38korsnonix4, I am used to overwhelming amount of ports :) Browsing those is one of my favourite ways to spend my brain's idle cycles, so , it's great :)
17:32.44Warer_xam: tried searching for it but didn't find it
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17:33.05ee_eeanyone recommend a channel for networking ?
17:33.07nonix4greycat: kinda :-)
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17:33.13cliebowanyone using winbind to authenticate to ugh w2000
17:33.23bahamatFieldySnuts: that is, if I want a rule that overrules everything else I insert it not add it?
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17:33.25FieldySnutsbahamat: if a rule comes along that say drops a packet, then it doesn't go past that rule. understanding that helps understand why you create logging rules FIRST, packets flow through those, then to the actual action rules.
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17:33.49xamWarer_: try 'apt-get install patchutils' then
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17:33.58bahamatFieldySnuts: I need to make sure packets get to a certain box on a certain port
17:34.10cliebowusing winbind to authenticate ltsp users......
17:34.14FieldySnutsbahamat: i haven't manually set em up in ages, very big pain in the ass
17:34.30bahamatFieldySnuts: I know :-(
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17:34.39xamWarer_: well, if you cannot find 'patch' or 'patchutils' in your debian pool mirror, you have a problem
17:34.50FieldySnutsbahamat: i'd look around, see if some scripts do what you want instead. i use gShield, i know others use shorewall, and i'm sure there are others.
17:34.56ShiShihello
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17:35.00ShiShisomeone install dwl-650+ on debian with P-M  (smp) ?
17:35.40josbelI  keep getting this when trying to use sudo to shutdown.. Sorry, user josbel is not allowed to execute '/sbin/shutdown' as root on debian.
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17:36.05nonix4Warer_: maybe what you really want is "apt-get install c-dev"
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17:36.27Warer_nonix4: i found it
17:36.39tmbrunning dselect i get "/bin/sh: /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure: No such file or directory" and /usr/share/debconf/confmodule no such f or d
17:36.51tmbany way aroudn this
17:37.13nonix4Warer_: as in if you were missing patch then you're prolly missing other mostly necessary parts of the toolchain
17:37.28asgjosbel: and you are running 'sudo /sbin/shutdown'
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17:37.40asgjosbel: what does 'sudo -l' list for the user?
17:37.49Warer_nonix4: i got the patch now
17:38.11Warer_nonix4: but it failed to patch ip_ouput.c what can make it fail a patch?
17:38.17josbelasg: I was running sudo shutdown.. If I give me access too all it works.. but I don't want students to have access to eveyrthing ;)
17:38.51archpolluxjosbel: students should have free access to information
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17:38.58asgjosbel: you need to use the full path 'sudo /sbin/shutdown'
17:39.16tmbi tried to switch to the unstable version and im getting error messages because it didn't completely transition... is there any FAQs or workarounds for this particular problem
17:39.24josbelasg: Ah ok..
17:39.38greycattmb: your problem statement isn't very *particular*
17:39.43josbelarchpollux: I am a studnet :P But I know the kids are gonna mess up stuff if they can use root privs..
17:39.50tmbi'd paste the output but my gpm snt working
17:40.00asgjosbel: if that's problematic for your students, you can always give them aliases (i.e. alias shutdown='sudo /sbin/shutdown')
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17:40.21josbelasg: I did that, I made a SHUTDOWNERS alias ;)
17:40.28archpolluxjosbel: i was just kidding :)
17:40.31ee_eeanyone know of a box like the linksys BEFSX41 ( http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=34&scid=29&prid=433 )  , but without the WAN features?
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17:40.59asg!tell para about root
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17:41.07tmbis there anywhere to download dpkg-preconfigure temporarily before i update it
17:41.18tmbis it on the discset
17:41.18asgjosbel: not an alias in /etc/sudoers but an alias in ~/.bashrc
17:41.28Wallyis X.org availible for debian?
17:41.35archpolluxjosbel: i think it's just easier to create a group and chmod 1770 shutdown
17:41.48elementwow this netinstall is really easy :)
17:41.50tmbi think im gong to do a fresh install
17:41.52archpolluxjosbel: and of course chgrp group shutdown
17:42.15archpolluxalright, another satisfied customer --> element
17:42.26josbelarchpollux: Ok.. What does chgrp do?
17:42.28korsarchpollux, shouldn't that be 1750????????????
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17:42.29green_earselement: are you installing sarge
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17:42.47archpolluxkors: yeah, my head is away
17:42.50korsarchpollux, we are NOT supposed to give them root :)
17:42.57korsarchpollux, np
17:43.01archpolluxjosbel: changes the group of the file
17:43.03oobedict gnome
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17:43.12oobe!dict gnome
17:43.16dpkgDictionary 'gnome' (4 shown; 6 total): 2. A dwarf; a goblin; a person of small stature or misshapen features, or of strange appearance. ;; 3. (Zo["o]l.) A small owl (Glaucidium gnoma) of the Western United States. ;; a legendary creature resembling a tiny old man; lives in the depths of the earth and guards buried treasure ;; a short pithy saying expressing a general truth.
17:43.27maxb_when the rest of new zealand is asleep, at least i can count on you guys to be awake
17:43.32oobe!dict gerkin
17:43.35dpkgcould not find definition for gerkin
17:43.42Guerin!kiwismite maxb_
17:43.42asgoobe: /msg dpkg dict <shit>
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17:43.58ee_ee!dict mojo
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17:44.00dpkgDictionary 'mojo' a magic power or magic spell
17:44.05Guerinoobe: you mean gherkin
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17:44.09elementgreen_ears: yes
17:44.13maxb_Guerin -- ha thats cool
17:44.14jonowith a crontab like:   * * * * *   command , how can I run a job every 3 minutes?
17:44.20oobe!dict gherkin
17:44.22dpkgDictionary 'gherkin' (3 shown): Gherkin \Gher"kin\ (g[~e]r"k[i^]n), n. [D. agurkje, a dim. akin to G. gurke, Dan. agurke; cf. Pol. og['o]rek, Bohem. okurka, LGr. 'aggoy`rion watermelon, Ar. al-khiy[=a]r, Per. khiy[=a]r.] 1. (Bot.) A kind of small, prickly cucumber, much used for pickles. ;; any of various small cucumbers pickled whole ;; small prickly cucumber.
17:44.23oobethx
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17:44.24gameduckhi
17:44.25asgjono: */3 in the first field
17:44.27archpolluxbtw, i have a blank icon in my KDE systray that doesn't respond to clicks and i wanna find out what it is... how could i do this? is it possible to query what programs are in the systray through DCOP?
17:44.30Guerinmaxb_: sure is late in NZ right now
17:44.32korsjoneo: */3
17:44.35jonocheers asg
17:44.42asgjono: you're welcome
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17:44.52asgarchpollux: try #debian-kde
17:44.54oobe!dict fart
17:44.56dpkgDictionary 'fart' (2 shown): a reflex that expels intestinal gas through the anus ;; expel intestinal gases through the anus [syn: {break wind}].
17:45.00green_earselement; and the 2.6 kernel
17:45.02archpolluxasg: i am :)
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17:45.03asgoobe: knock that shit off, we don't care
17:45.03ee_eeanyone recommend a networking-centric channel here?
17:45.05josbelarchpollux: Erm, I have no file called shutdown in /usr/sbin
17:45.08phorce1_I knew I was forgetting something (RRROOOOOOOTTTTT!!!!)
17:45.12elementgreen_ears: not sure which kernel i'm using yet
17:45.12oobe!dict poo
17:45.12asgee_ee: #networking
17:45.14dpkgcould not find definition for poo
17:45.17maxb_Guerin -- 5.44 am, ive never even seen a nz'er in here before, who made the kiwismite thing?
17:45.28archpolluxjosbel: /sbin/shutdown prolly
17:45.29green_earselement uname -a
17:45.29ee_eeasg, i'm there...
17:45.37asgee_ee: looks pretty quiet though :(
17:45.40phorce1_The warning comes in handy though.
17:45.41elementgreen_ears: it's still installing :)
17:45.43jonowhere is the cron log?
17:45.47Guerinmaxb_: I did, earlier tonight. You're about the 3rd recipient of a kiwismite :)
17:45.49ee_eeasg, only 7 of us on #networking...
17:45.52phorce1_apt: thank you
17:45.52aptphorce1_: my pleasure
17:45.53maxb_hah
17:46.00thoreauputicoobe: cut it out
17:46.12green_earselement; nice one
17:46.21oobeok
17:46.22elementgreen_ears: hehe
17:46.40green_earselement; are you going to apt-get build
17:46.45maxb_Guerin -- yeah, im sure theres a few linux heads in nz, but they seem few and far between
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17:46.51oobe!dict cut it out
17:46.54dpkgcould not find definition for cut it out
17:46.54ee_eeanyone recommend an appliance type firewall without LAN features?  i'm looking at something like the linksys http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=34&scid=29&prid=433
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17:47.11Guerinmaxb_: there are a few, I guess. i didn't get into linux until after I left NZ
17:47.18josbelarchpollux: Yes it is.. After I do that, then the shutdown command should work as anyone in the group?
17:47.19ee_eebut without WAN things...
17:47.25elementgreen_ears: not sure yet.  I'm still new to debian.  I've dealt with alot of other flavors, but never debian.  so i'm trying it out to see if i like it or not
17:47.26maxb_Guerin -- where you now?
17:47.32Guerinmaxb_: Korea
17:47.43maxb_anjo seyo
17:47.46gameduckwhat is the command to change a IP?? or where do i edit it at. you know how in REDHAT its in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcg-eth0
17:47.49phorce1_Well, that was fun. Don't have any CDRW's habdy so I made about5 coasters trying to get debian-installer 4 to work on my Ultra1. Ended up burning a 3.0r2 CD and doing a dist upgrade after base install.
17:47.55Guerinmaxb_: but, damn, I wish I was at home drinking monteith's
17:47.59jonoanyone? where is the cron log?
17:48.02jonofor my user
17:48.07maxb_sorry thats goodbye isnt it, i mean anjo
17:48.10asgjono: /var/log/syslog usually lists cron's activities
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17:48.24green_earselement; apt-get install x-window-system-core to install xserver
17:48.25maxb_yeah but what about macju
17:48.26asgjono: by default, output from cronjobs is mailed to your user
17:48.27maxb_hah
17:48.28Guerinmaxb_: you mean annyeong-haseyo
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17:48.40Guerinmaxb_: maekju ain't beer
17:48.48korsgameduck, try man ifconfig - universa.
17:48.50jonocheers
17:48.53green_earselement; then apt-get install kde-core
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17:48.55elementgreen_ears: like i said, im still installing
17:48.58korsgameduck, though, untill the first reboot.
17:49.02maxb_Guerin -- i know, soju + beer
17:49.08Guerinmaxb_: it's what koreans drink because they hate beer, and what expats drink because they can't get beer
17:49.19maxb_sorry, i mean somav
17:49.19asgGuerin: mmmmm, beer .... arglarglargl </homer>
17:49.21Guerinmaxb_: nah, it's TECHNICALLY beer, but it's not beer
17:49.24maxb_sorry, i mean somac
17:49.24gameduckkors.> what?
17:49.27green_earselement; when you have the base installed
17:49.39elementgreen_ears: it would easier if you use element: instead of element; ;)
17:49.39ee_eetechnically beer?
17:49.43Guerinmaxb_: spent a bit of time here then? Or are you from Howick?
17:49.44phorce1_appears to be working after a kernel update to get around the hme lockup bug from <=2.4.18
17:49.46korsgameduck, ifconfig is the command to change network interface parameters on the fly.
17:50.03Guerin!beersmite asg
17:50.05gameduckkors. i know how to use ifconfig. but where do it keep it configuration.
17:50.12elementgreen_ears: i have 2.4.25-1-386 loaded as my kernel
17:50.14GuerinHAH
17:50.19Guerinasg: welcome to my world
17:50.26maxb_Guerin -- nah ive never been, im a bit of what might be called an asiaphile, and my cousin lived there for a couple of years
17:50.33ee_eegameduck: you probably have a script in /etc/init.d that brings up your networking
17:50.34asgGuerin: I can stomach a few CLs
17:50.37korsgameduck, sorry, no luck - I think I'm even newer to debian then you :)
17:51.01Guerinasg: that's because you're American
17:51.06green_ears<PROTECTED>
17:51.07gameduckanyone here uses synaptic. i tried to run it and it give me this.  Gtk-WARNING **: connot open display:
17:51.10asgGuerin: no, I'm English actually :)
17:51.16Guerin(damn)
17:51.24elementgreen_ears: because my highlighter is set to element: not element;
17:51.26Guerinasg: it was a fair prediction, right?
17:51.29asgGuerin: but I've been here long enough I might as well be one.
17:51.32maxb_Guerin -- the koreans live on the north shore, howick is predominantly chinese
17:51.37green_earsthanks
17:51.47Guerinmaxb_: I'm not from Auckland, can you tell?
17:51.57sussudio!kiwismite Guerin
17:51.57asgGuerin: though my penchant for Pork pies and HP sauce precludes me from being given citizenship
17:52.13phorce1_how does one go about correcting a hostname fubar? I'm so used to setting up machines for home use I just named this box "faith" at install rather than "faith.phorce1.net". This box will be live on a T1 in a few days as my mail server.
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17:52.22korsgameduck, are you trying to run it as root with X launched by ordinary user?
17:52.29asgphorce1_: /msg dpkg hostname
17:52.31maxb_Guerin -- monteiths, hmmm south somewhere? i lived in chch for a while
17:52.33bodqis there a 'lstree' alike to 'pstree'?
17:52.44Guerinsussudio: cheers :)
17:52.45gameduckas root
17:52.46asgbodq: find /dir
17:52.49gameducki don't have X installed though.
17:52.59Guerinmaxb_: Wanganui via Wellington
17:53.00bodqasg: almost :)
17:53.06josbelarchpollux: This isn't working :)
17:53.17korsgameduck, well, it's a gtk-based prog, hence, you need X to run it.
17:53.21phorce1_asg: that's all the places it's stored? I thought more. Thanks
17:53.30maxb_Guerin -- cool, ive heard the net speed there is great, care to comment?
17:53.32asgphorce1_: you're welcome
17:53.36archpolluxjosbel: how come?
17:53.42maxb_Guerin -- korea that is
17:53.45green_earselement: i find the apt-get method of install works well and it builds a lite system
17:53.57asgbodq: I think there is a Perl module that can do something similar but don't quote me on that.
17:54.06Guerinmaxb_: 24mBps/unlimited/~US$30 per month/no blocked ports
17:54.08josbelarchpollux: Says shutdown: command not found.. and if I do a /sbin/shutdown says permission denied
17:54.11maxb_nice
17:54.16bodqasg: ok, thanks
17:54.17Guerinmaxb_: it simply RAWKS
17:54.34archpolluxjosbel: what did u do before?
17:54.49Guerinmaxb_: everything else is fairly shit though
17:54.54maxb_Guerin -- many people into Linux? you heard of asianux?
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17:55.16Guerinmaxb_: heard of it, but this country is heavily addicted to MSIE6
17:55.20josbelarchpollux: Made a group, add a user to it... chmod 1770 shutdown chgrp shutdowners shutdown
17:55.33Guerinmaxb_: I haven't met a single korean who has even heard of linux
17:55.37korsjosbel, 1750
17:55.45gameduckhi, anyone know if this is the right place to change the IP. is it in /etc/network/interfaces?
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17:56.01xamgameduck: yes
17:56.01greycatgameduck: yes.  See also the FAQ, man interfaces, man hosts, ..
17:56.02josbelkors: Same thing
17:56.07Guerinmaxb_: and I get freakish looks when I mention I haven't got IE6 ... they ask if I still use 5
17:56.14mandrak3este cineva roman pe aici?
17:56.15dbrongameduck: yes, then restart with /etc/init.d/networking restart
17:56.21korsjosbel, ?
17:56.26gameducki see thx
17:56.31josbelkors: Gives me permission denied
17:56.38maxb_Guerin -- thats no good, im doing a business degree at the moment, i want to make it my mission to be involved in linux in asia, and combine my 2 interests
17:56.49elementgreen_ears: how can i check to see if the apt-get package exists?
17:56.58Guerinmaxb_: outstanding
17:57.05korsjosbel, re-login the user you've just added to shutdowners.
17:57.08archpolluxjosbel: 1750
17:57.20Guerinmaxb_: the korean govt. is supposed to be going all-free
17:57.28josbelkors: K, I will try that.
17:57.32korsjosbel, changes to /etc/group work after the re-login
17:57.37green_earselement: aptitude
17:58.10Guerinmaxb_: but I will believe when I see - the bureaucracies here change fast, but this cuts right to the core of the popularity contest which is korean business/political interaction
17:58.15maxb_Guerin -- trouble is, and i dont know if this applies to korea, is that because of the heavy level of piracy, saying "linux is free" is not really an incentive, ima have to help come up with something new
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17:58.20elementgreen_ears: that's how i search for them?
17:58.26phorce1_<PROTECTED>
17:58.40asgphorce1_: that's correct
17:58.44korsarchpollux, seems like shutdown worked for him :)
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17:58.46Guerinmaxb_: that's true for the general public
17:58.50archpolluxjosbel: addgroup shutdowners; adduser youruser shutdowners; chgrp /sbin/shutdowners; chmod 4750 /sbin/shutdown;
17:58.59archpolluxkors: hahaha
17:59.06Guerinmaxb_: the main thing is that a computer is a luxury item, and luxury items in asia are branded
17:59.09archpolluxkors: but i was wrong, it's actually 4750
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17:59.33maxb_Guerin -- are they not cheap there?
17:59.34phorce1_asg: thx again.
17:59.38Guerinmaxb_: you don't buy model X because it's more useful, etc, you buy it because it's more prestigious
17:59.54Guerinmaxb_: nah, they're cheap alright - if you buy korean
17:59.55korsarchpollux, yep, 1 is sticy :) oops.
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18:00.04archpolluxkors: hehe :)
18:00.09Guerinmaxb_: desktops are fine, the laptops are horrendous though
18:00.17josbelkors: Now it gives me.. You must be root to do that!
18:00.19green_earselement: sorry ? http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages.en-gb.html#search_packages
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18:00.23Guerinmaxb_: but they're korean, therefore they must be better
18:00.28korsarchpollux, I usually use +s/-s :), and octal for permissions :)
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18:00.48korsJosbel: it's 4750 - sorry.
18:00.57archpolluxkors: 4750 is octal :)
18:01.06elementgreen_ears: yea, i got it.  I used apt-cache search php thanks
18:01.06josbelkors: No problem... :)
18:01.24archpolluxjosbel: yeah, sorry :)
18:01.28Guerinmaxb_: case in point: cars
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18:01.50korsarchpollux, i mean i use octal for o/g/o but literal flags for stuff like suid/sgid/sticky :)
18:02.19josbelkors: Ah yes.. Works! :)
18:02.19Guerinmaxb_: korean cars are generally inferior to their japanese counterparts, but you won't see a jap car anywhere here
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18:02.19korsjosbel, cool
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18:02.59Guerinmaxb_: the only imported cars are the top-line euro models - C class Mercs, BMW i and z series (??), rolls-royce, etc
18:03.15gameduckanyone here uses synaptic. i tried to run it and it give me this.  Gtk-WARNING **: connot open display:
18:03.20green_earselement: as i said i find the apt-get method builds a lite system and kde in sarge is 3.2 looks well
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18:03.31asgGuerin: best cars I've ever owned have been Hyundais :)
18:03.47asggameduck: /msg dpkg sshx
18:03.49Guerinmaxb_: the point being that there's no point in buying a "decent" BMW M3 - you have to buy a proper one
18:03.59gameduckk
18:04.01korsgameduck, again, you NEED X to use synaptic. It's a GTK2 program
18:04.05asggameduck: or /msg dpkg run stuff as root
18:04.17ricky_clarksonHow much chud wuck a chuck wod chud if a chuck wod could chud wuck?
18:04.30Guerinasg: I had a mate who drove an 87 hyundae pony into the ground - it went for ever :)
18:04.34asgricky_clarkson: erm, $3.50 ?
18:04.38maxb_Guerin -- i hear you, all style, no substance
18:04.53asgGuerin: I had an excel that did that; have an elantra now and it's been good.
18:05.01korsgameduck, or set up X-session forwardind via openssh and have X libraries installed
18:05.04Guerinmaxb_: yeah, moreso than most places I've seen, anyway.
18:05.18korsgameduck, s/dind/ding
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18:05.34Guerinasg: OTOH, the daewoo espero I have here is trouble on wheels, and gutless to boot
18:05.43gameduckwhat?
18:05.52gameducki'm not using X windows
18:05.59gameduckwill synaptic still install?
18:06.03maxb_meanwhile... in his reindeer skin tent, Linus throws another dried reindeer shit on his reindeer shit fire
18:06.03green_earsgameduck: aptitude runs with out X
18:06.12ricky_clarksonasg: That's a bit optimistic, but ok.
18:06.13asgGuerin: heh
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18:06.17korsgameduck: so, how are you going to use program that requires X ? (synaptic)
18:06.17gameduckwill synaptic run if i don't have X?
18:06.21kntwhen i try to synchronize a remote directory with "scp -r localdir remotedir" it doesn't overwrite the files. how can i fix it?
18:06.25korsgameduck, no.
18:06.31gameducki thought synaptic u can use a text base..
18:06.34gameduckdon't need X
18:06.42ricky_clarksonman synaptic
18:06.45asgricky_clarkson: yeah, should have converted to euros first
18:06.45korsgameduck, unless you run X on the same or network-connected machine.
18:06.54green_earsgameduck: needs X
18:07.36asggameduck: you're thinking of aptitude (ncurses based)
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18:08.15diego_hi
18:08.21agneymy dpkg-reconfigure xserver does not create a XF86Config-4 .. any tips ?
18:08.22gameduckis aptitud the same as synaptic??
18:08.22Guerin!hi diego_
18:08.23dpkgMany greetings, diego_, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty.
18:08.26sonne[home]is there xfree 4.4 for debian available somewhere ?
18:08.32ricky_clarksongameduck: No.  One's for X, one isn't.
18:08.46gameduckanyone know of a good package like synaptic but work for command prompts..?
18:08.51asgsonne[home]: no, and there most likely never will be.
18:08.57Gueringameduck: can you read?
18:09.11diego_hi Guerin :)
18:09.13maxb_gameduck - apt!
18:09.14green_earsgameduck: aptitude
18:09.17korsasg: X.org only?
18:09.26sonne[home]asg: ehm ?
18:09.26thoreauputicGuerin: he lacks aptitude..
18:09.28asgkors: looks that way unless something changes
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18:09.43asgsonne[home]: the licensing issue with Xfree; debian will no longer release new versions
18:09.47Guerinthoreauputic: he's certainly failing this aptitude test
18:09.48ricky_clarksonthoreauputic: Good call.
18:10.07korsasg, :(. Smth. I do not like about linux distros - too much ideology :)
18:10.08asgsonne[home]: Debian, RedHat, and others will be releaseing X.org's server from now on.
18:10.11maxb_definately not an apt pupil
18:10.12green_earsgameduck: have a play with aptitude and it will grow on  you
18:10.34Guerinif only he's paid apttention
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18:10.41Guerins/he's/he'd/
18:10.49asgkors: It's what makes the whole thing tick though, in many respects.
18:11.01sonne[home]asg: so is there a X.org 4.4 already then ?
18:11.15asgsonne[home]: no, not yet (at least not in Debian)
18:11.16ricky_clarksongreen_ears: Soon it will have a whole load of tools like aptitude-zip aptitude-test aptitude-less ;)
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18:11.20sonne[home]asg: or when did the xfree86 guys change licens..
18:11.29asgsonne[home]: a month or so ago.
18:11.36korssonne[home], X.org is based on last release of XFree (4.4-beta something) before the license changed.
18:11.37rusemore like 2
18:11.37ricky_clarksonasg: Are there unofficial debs for 4.4?
18:11.50asgricky_clarkson: dunno, there might be.
18:11.51korsasg, quite possible.
18:11.53ricky_clarksonI wanna see the licence.
18:11.58gameducki'm using aptitude. but i dont' see apaache anywhere? i look under WEB nothing there. where can the apache be at?
18:12.00green_earsricky_clarkson: that will be good
18:12.02sonne[home]wow a single character domain... X.org -> great!
18:12.09FieldySnutsgameduck: have to spell it right
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18:12.21sonne[home]in germany one needs 3 characters in a top level domain ...
18:12.25asgFieldySnuts: apaachewang?
18:12.31gameducknevermind i see it
18:12.31FieldySnutslol
18:12.35sonne[home]i mean for a .de top level domain
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18:12.46ricky_clarksonsonne[home]: In Soviet Russia the domain owns you.
18:12.46thoreauputicgameduck: if you're looking for "apaache" it might take a while to find
18:13.19Guerin!moddown ricky_clarkson
18:13.24gameduckwill the libapache-mode- be installed?
18:13.32ricky_clarksonGet lost you sad slashdot user.
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18:13.44maxb_whats !moddown?
18:13.51asgmaxb_: slashdotism
18:13.53Guerinmaxb_: nothing, it seems
18:14.00ricky_clarksonmaxb_: He's pretending to downmoderate my imaginary slashdot posting.
18:14.05korsbtw - anyone knows of a good GTK2-based music player w/o teletubby skins - I mean with vanilla gtk interface? (tried totem, not very impressive).
18:14.16thoreauputicgameduck: why not read the apt HOWTO and learn about your tools?
18:14.25EmleyMoorIs there a good way to include the hostap modules in a kernel compiled the Debian way?
18:14.29maxb_oh, never really looked at slash, always seemed like a bunch of people arguing
18:14.30ricky_clarksonkors: not actually GTK2, GTK1, but xmms is good.
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18:14.40ricky_clarksonkors: maybe gmplayer
18:14.43asgkors: try rhytmbox
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18:14.54korsricky_clarkson, i mean w/o skins - i.e. looking like the rest of the apps, not like winamp.
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18:15.02Guerinkors: beep-media-player is xmms+gtk2
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18:15.23Guerinkors: err, not bmp then
18:15.30ricky_clarksonkors: There is a GTK theme for XMMS, but it ain't great.  Like I said, maybe gmplayer.
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18:15.35korsGuerin, sure, i tried it too :)
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18:16.04bart2<PROTECTED>
18:16.17asgbart2: rsync
18:16.19korsbart2, dd
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18:16.44rich_kors best way is use mplayer with -slave mode and have no skin at all
18:16.47maxb_bart2 -- exact copy to another?
18:16.47korsbart2, do you want the identical (sector-to-sector) copy?
18:16.55korsrich_, :)
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18:17.34bart2exact copy yes, when I installed my system, I want another disk as backup purposes, when the first disk fails, it can be replaced quickly
18:17.42gameduckaptitude is soo nice!!!
18:17.44gameducki love it!!!
18:17.49rich_kors run it nude.
18:17.58bart2aptitude is cool yes
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18:18.02korsbard: dd if=/dev/<disk1> of=/dev/<disk2>
18:18.14green_ears<gameduck>: nice one
18:18.56bart2kors: does the other disk needs to be formatted ?
18:19.02ygonzaHello ... I just downloaded the source for the Ximian Conector; I'd like to know if anybody has some experience compiling it.
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18:19.04korsrich_, I think there is some daemon for that instead of mplayer (can't remember the name though)... but that is the idea - I've got a remote....
18:19.04maxb_bart2 -- ghost, dd, or partimage
18:19.09korsbart2: no.
18:19.15asgygonza: not likely
18:19.29bart2kors: thx
18:19.36korsbart2: it does sector-to-sector copy. Including mbr/partition table.
18:19.38elementa program i'm trying to configure, keeps telling me i need tcl.  I ran apt-get install tcl8.4 but it keeps giving me this error.  are there more packages i need to install for tcl?
18:19.38archpolluxapt-get is sooo nice, i love it!
18:19.44flophouseOk, so who's packaing the Ximian Connector now that's it's GPL'd?
18:19.57asgelement: get the tcl8.4-dev package
18:20.06elementasg: oh ok thanks
18:20.07archpolluxflophouse: who cares
18:20.09bart2kors: so when the first disk fails, it can be replaced easily ?
18:20.12flophousearchpollux: I do
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18:20.18asgflophouse: the evo maintainer(s) probably
18:20.22asg!maint evolution
18:20.24flophouseasg: Gratsi
18:20.26dpkgevolution: Takuo KITAME <kitame@debian.org>
18:20.29archpolluxflophouse: u care about connecting to microsoft exchange servers?
18:20.35flophousearchpollux: Yes
18:20.38maxb_archpollux -- people who use exchange ;)
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18:20.40korsbart2: yes. But all changes made after copying will be (of course) lost.
18:20.42archpolluxflophouse: eww
18:20.50bart2kors: that's no problem
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18:20.54ruseygonza try running "./configure; make; make install" in the source dir
18:21.04bart2kors: apt-get update is easy enough :)
18:21.15korsbart2: then yes. If disks are identical (same model/size) dd will work fine.
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18:21.35flophousearchpollux: Unlike yourself (possibly) I am given this stuff called "money".  I use it to "live".  Part of the requirement is that I have to use a crappy product called "Exchange" for various things.  As there aren't too many "free" alternatives, and I don't control the server, I am thus "interested".
18:21.35Nurbsarchpollux: Ximian Connector is not only about Exchange servers
18:21.53archpolluxkors: i think u only need same size disks
18:21.54ygonzaruse: thanks!! I've tried that but doesn't work ... it's looking for some "evolution-shell.pc" file
18:22.01NurbsOpengroupware works with Ximian Connector, too, afaik
18:22.02korsarchpollux, sure.
18:22.13maxb_flophouse -- bravo, nice explanation
18:22.17bart2Nurbs: do you have opengroupware in production ?
18:22.20flophouseNurbs: Evo 1.5 uses Novell's open groupware out of the box
18:22.31flophouseUnless I'm thinking of the wrong thing entirely.
18:22.31Nurbsflophouse: oh. :)
18:22.32green_ears<kors>: will dd do the complete disk or partions
18:22.41archpolluxflophouse: yeah, i see
18:22.45Nurbsflophouse: uhm
18:22.49RichiHflophouse: it will not automagically package itself. some dd needs to see a need for him to do it
18:23.03korsarchpollux, but geometry can be different even on the same size disks, so, to be on the safe ground (in case we are dual-booting with some redmond OS) say same models will be better :)
18:23.11flophouseRichiH: Yes, I'm aware of this.  Was just curious what the plans were, if any.  I"ll bug the maintainer.
18:23.19korsgreen_ears: depends on invocation
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18:23.34maxb_flophouse -- you using evo 1.5.7?
18:23.35korsgreen_ears: if used like dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc - then disks.
18:23.36RichiHflophouse: if there is already one do that, yes :)
18:23.39Nurbsbart2: no
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18:23.51korsgreen_ears: if if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdc1 - partitions.
18:24.09korsgreen_ears: but copying partitions this way is imho unsafe.
18:24.11yangHow do I properly configure scsi scanner ?
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18:24.18flophousemaxb_: No, I stopped using 1.5 in experimental because, well, I didn't have the connector and publishing my calendar to Webdav kept crashing.
18:24.21green_ears<kors>: yes
18:24.28korsgreen_ears: if you are not 100% sure mbrs on disks are same.
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18:24.32Nurbsflophouse: opengroupware.org you mean?
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18:24.47flophouseRichiH: There isn't one for the connector directly, but there is for Evo
18:24.51maxb_flophouse -- yeah, its fuckin nice to look at and cool features, but kept crashing for me too
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18:25.01flophouseNurbs: Pry not... heh.  Sorry, I meant Novell's thing.
18:25.22sphex2/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgdbm
18:25.22Nurbsflophouse: ah, i see :)
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18:25.28RichiHflophouse: your best bet, i would say, yes
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18:25.35Nurbshmm
18:25.37sphex2But I have libgdbmg1 1.7.3-27 installed...
18:25.43archpolluxflophouse: but Evolution is one of the worst email clients around... it reaches outlook status
18:25.46Nurbsflophouse: did 1.4 support NNTP already?
18:25.58Nurbsarchpollux: why?
18:26.03maxb_are you aloud to swear in here, that was the first time i have, and i cant recall anyone else swearing?
18:26.03greycatsphex2: apt-cache search -- gdbm -dev
18:26.10flophousearchpollux: You're right!  So as soon as you get done writing a better calendaring client that uses Exchange, I'll use it.
18:26.13sphex2okay!
18:26.13Guerinarchpollux: it pisses me off, but the others piss me off more]
18:26.16korsasg, thanks for the tip - rhythmbox seems to be exactly what i wanted.
18:26.20archpolluxflophouse: and btw, i'm being paid to maintain linux servers and develop for them
18:26.24flophouseNurbs: Don't know, never used NNTP :/
18:26.25stvnarchpollux: not true, it used to, but the new version (1.5+) is much better
18:26.32green_ears<kors>: it sounds like it best to dd partions and the mbr instead of a complete copy of the disk with dd
18:26.34flophousearchpollux: Great, then you're in a perfect spot
18:26.39Guerinstvn: is it faster?
18:26.44archpolluxstvn: yeah.. right..
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18:26.56korsgreen_ears: contrary. It's safer to copy the whole disk.
18:27.02Nurbsarchpollux: why is it bad or even one of the worst?
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18:27.19stvnGuerin: a bit, but the different releases differ much, the latest is quite ok again, but 1.5.4 was horrible
18:27.19green_ears<kors: right then
18:27.22korsgreen_ears: then we are sure sector 0 goes to sector 0 and so on. :)
18:27.23sphex2greycat, but I have a /usr/lib/libgdbm.so.1 file, can I just symlink it to libgdbm.so?
18:27.29archpolluxNurbs: the most obvious thing i remember is that it crashes all the time
18:27.32Guerinstvn: hrm
18:27.38greycatsphex2: no.  install the fucking -dev package.
18:27.53archpolluxNurbs: but anyway, w/e, works for you, fine
18:27.56sphex2all fucking right
18:27.58sphex2thx
18:27.58maxb_swearing is officially ok
18:28.03green_ears<kors>: and dd will do the job ?
18:28.05rich_thanks everyone bbl
18:28.07Guerinmaxb_: fuckin' A
18:28.15archpolluxgreycat: someone's pissed... :)
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18:28.29korsgreen_ears, sure. If used with hda, hdb, hdc etc. as the whole.
18:28.29stvnGuerin: heh, better wait for a stable release then, the 1.5 series does have annoying bugs every now and then
18:28.31jcole_fc1greycat: but, what are you really trying to say
18:28.51green_ears<kors>: thanks
18:28.59maxb_kors + green_ears : sorry if you guys have it sorted, but this is what i read the last time i copied a hdd http://www.storm.ca/~yan/Hard-Disk-Upgrade.html
18:29.01elementif i set PermitRootLogin to no, in my sshd_config, i can still su - to root correct?
18:29.07greycatelement: yes
18:29.11elementokay, thank you.
18:29.25asgkors: cool
18:29.39linageeapt-get install debian
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18:29.54GuerinI just want a graphical MUA with the following features: non-console, antialiased toolkit, client-side IMAP filtering, stable/light, supports gpg
18:30.12Guerinis that too much to ask??
18:30.15flophouseGuerin: Thunderbird does that
18:30.15xamlinagee: wonder what 'apt-get --purge remove debian' will do
18:30.16solarscan anyone give me some information on the easiest way to set up ttf fonts in debian ?
18:30.17asgGuerin: use balsa or sylpheed
18:30.23Guerinflophouse: buggy imap
18:30.24stvnGuerin: tried balsa?
18:30.24flophouseGuerin: "light" is optional
18:30.26linageeGuerin: ximian! :)
18:30.26green_ears<maxb_>: thanks i read
18:30.31Guerinflophouse: in my experience
18:30.33flophouseGuerin: Get to work then ;)
18:30.38asgsolars: /msg dpkg font guide
18:30.41solarsthx
18:30.49maxb_Guerin -- kde or gnome, or dosen't matter?
18:30.52archpolluxhas anyone heard if reiserfs4 will become non-GPL or not?
18:30.53flophouseGuerin: I agree, I've heard it's buggy
18:31.00Guerinflophouse: I'm not a coder, i'm an English teacher, goddamnit!
18:31.01asgsolars: and when you get it working, give bob2 a beer, chocolate, and a big wet slickery kiss
18:31.03Guerin:)
18:31.05linageeGuerin: use ximian evolution.
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18:31.11Guerinmaxb_: nah, doesn't worry me
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18:31.16korsmaxb_: the method described on the page is more flexible (works with different size disks). But takes longer.
18:31.17asglinagee: you mean devolution
18:31.24flophouseGuerin: Well, that's unfortunate.  Then you, like some of us, become part of the masses of people who must beg those who can create software to do so.
18:31.24maxb_Guerin -- ok, whats a predicate?
18:31.28Guerinlinagee: I am, I want one that ISN't fat and huge
18:31.31flophousemaxb_: haha
18:31.34archpolluxximian are losers
18:31.34linageeGuerin: lol
18:31.43linageearchpollux: ximian are cool
18:31.43Guerinstvn: no, I haven't tried balsa
18:31.55archpolluxlinagee: they're at least dumb
18:32.05Guerinmaxb_: I'm not teaching you english
18:32.08linageearchpollux: why
18:32.09Guerin!dict predicate
18:32.12dpkgDictionary 'predicate' (5 shown; 12 total): one of the two main constituents of a sentence; the predicate contains the verb and its complements ;; 2. To found; to base. [U.S.] ;; Syn: Affirmation; declaration. ;; 2. (Gram.) The word or words in a proposition which express what is affirmed of the subject. ;; . Predicate \Pred"i*cate\, v. i. To affirm something of another thing; to make an affirmation. --Sir M. Hale..
18:32.14flophouseGuerin: Balse isn't what you're looking for.  It's somewhat cool/featureful, but definitely not AA or what not
18:32.18maxb_kors -- yeah sorry if not relevant, just thought it was agood how to
18:32.30cliebowanyone useth winbind with debian?
18:32.32stvnGuerin: it's nice, i prefer evolution, it has more features i want/need, but balsa is nice and 'light'
18:32.35archpolluxlinagee: i heard they consider qt as being obsolete
18:32.44Guerinasg: both those use GTK1, IIRC
18:32.45korsmaxb_, np - the article is relevant :)
18:32.46maxb_cliebow -- i have before whats up?
18:32.54flophousearchpollux: And QT isn't obsolete ? ;)
18:32.55asgGuerin: sylpheed-claws uses gtk2 iirc
18:33.04linageearchpollux: qt IS obsolete. :-P
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18:33.05Guerinasg: ah, really?
18:33.07cliebowhave used it lots in redhat..trying to swutch over..
18:33.08archpolluxflophouse: right..
18:33.16cliebowthere is no system-auth
18:33.17flophouseGuerin: Yeah, try sylpheed-claws
18:33.28cliebowso i woring oin login
18:33.30maxb_cliebow -- what?
18:33.38linageeGuerin: i hear telnet (hostname) 110  works pretty well. :)
18:33.40flophousearchpollux: I dunno.  I'm just quite happy with the GTK integration in python.  It's spiffy.
18:33.59asglinagee: he wants 143, not 110
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18:34.07cliebowhave used winbind a lot in redhat..trying to switch over to libranet as an ltsp server
18:34.08linageeGuerin: i hear telnet (hostname) 143  works pretty well. :)
18:34.09sphex2Hey, what does the -dev in package names mean?
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18:34.12Guerinlinagee: can only do that from the console though - did you read my list of predicates?
18:34.12flubber456\q
18:34.20asgsphex2: the header files and other build deps
18:34.31maxb_cliebow -- yes so you say, whats the problem
18:34.34archpolluxflophouse: who's talking about graphical toolkit bindings to some scripting language..?
18:34.35linageeGuerin: i hear xterm/telnet etc etc works pretty well? :)
18:34.45sphex2ahh
18:34.47sphex2ok
18:34.47stvnGuerin: you have nifty gtk2 telnet apps nowadays :P
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18:35.03archpolluxlinagee: i hear ethernet frames are quite useful for that
18:35.10flophousearchpollux: You were talking about QT being obsolete.  When it comes to trying to do something with it, I look at support for python.  GTK is far more useful in that area to me.
18:35.14cliebowmaxb- winbind end works fine..can use getent winbind -u winbind -g  but still can't get login//
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18:35.28Guerinstvn: but you still have to type shit in, and that ain't what i want checking mailing lists, mail for 3 domains and 3 personalities
18:35.31linageearchpollux: i hear twiddling bits by touching the ethernet wires together really fast works pretty well. :)
18:35.34archpolluxflophouse: well you're looking at the wrong thing
18:35.48flophouseGuerin: go checkout divmod.org/.com, it might be helpful
18:35.49archpolluxlinagee: u might have problems with that
18:35.54korsflophouse, try wxPython.
18:35.55maxb_cliebow -- well thats a little vague for me
18:35.56linageearchpollux: why so?
18:35.59NurbsGuerin: visit a psychiatrist :)
18:36.00flophousearchpollux: I would disagree.  It's quite nice for me.
18:36.08cliebowin rehat can pretty much edit /etc/init.d/system-auth and be able to log in
18:36.15archpolluxflophouse: it's irrelevant, man!
18:36.15maxb_Nurbs -- i am tommorrow
18:36.19stvnGuerin: heh, true, but if you need 3 personalities I'm not sure Balsa is any good
18:36.22flophousekors: Yeah, looked at that, didn't like the look feel at the time.  Might go back.  I don't do GUIs much, it was more experimentation.
18:36.27linageearchpollux: i mean, if you touched them together and pulled them apart at the EXACT right microsecond, you might be able to open a telnet session, at least. :)
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18:36.35flophousearchpollux: Yes, "it" == "qt" is, you're right
18:36.37archpolluxflophouse: i'm talking about toolkit interface and under-the-hood stuff
18:36.49asgGuerin: if she was a Freudian one, would that cause infinite recursion?
18:36.49archpolluxflophouse: w/e
18:36.52flophousearchpollux: what makes you think I"m not talking about the toolkit interface?
18:37.01Guerinasg: perhaps it would, but she's jungian :)
18:37.07flophousearchpollux: I don't care much about the under-the-hood stuff currently.  Maybe I will later.
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18:37.13archpolluxflophouse: cuz u're refering to bindings, dammit
18:37.17linageeasg: infinite fruedian recursion. lovely. lol
18:37.22korsflophouse, ic. We used it for some in-house stuff. Portability between win32-linux-*bsd was excellent.
18:37.23asgGuerin: ah, you're okay then
18:37.25flophousearchpollux: Which *is* the interface to the toolkit.
18:37.26archpolluxflophouse: then shut the fuck up
18:37.30linageeasg: i believe that's called masturbation
18:37.31Guerinlinagee: not lovely at all, if you think about it
18:37.34cliebowmaxb_ can you just tell me if /etc/pam.d/login is the only file that governs successful login in debian as far as pam is concerned
18:37.34flophousekors: I've found GTK to be as well
18:37.38archpolluxflophouse: wrong again
18:37.42korsflophouse, ok. :)
18:37.43Guerinasg: I have the collective unconscious on my side
18:37.49flophousearchpollux: Heh, you're cute when you're angry
18:37.51stvnGuerin: I take that back, it works fine with my 2 accounts, actually it works easier in certain aspects than evolution (hadn't used it for a while so I had to check again)
18:37.51Guerinasg:  sort of like the force being with me
18:37.53maxb_cliebow -- login from the console
18:37.53asgGuerin: hah
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18:37.56flophousearchpollux: How is that wrong?
18:38.02cliebowlogin via gdm
18:38.14linageeflophouse: you're uglier when you're angry
18:38.15pmitrosGotta question. I'm trying to compile Magic (a VLSI layout tool) under Debian. It dies, telling me: #error "GCC no longer implements <varargs.h>". Is there some old build environment which I could install that would work, or am I screwed and need to revise all of Magic to use stdargs?
18:38.15linagee:)
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18:38.24archpolluxflophouse: the interface of the toolkit is its API
18:38.25flophouseflophouse: Well, yeah, I've been told that too.
18:38.25maxb_cliebow -- no i mean it governs login from the console
18:38.37flophousearchpollux: and what do you consider language bindings for an API?
18:38.39linageeflophouse: did you just talk to yourself?
18:38.49flophouselinagee: doh, es
18:38.52cliebowoh oh
18:38.53linageeLOL
18:38.57flophouselinagee: what I said to myself above
18:38.58flophouseheh
18:39.02linageeflophouse: talking to yourself is the first sign of insanity
18:39.06maxb_cliebow -- /etc/pam.d/gdm
18:39.07archpolluxflophouse: its "API" in something like python is a simple language binding, i.e. how the QT API is bound to some python API
18:39.13maxb_governs gdm
18:39.16flophouselinagee: No, that's cobol programming.  I'm not there yet.
18:39.21linageeLOL
18:39.30korsok ppl - time to go, maybe will drop in later.
18:39.39madduckcan someone familiar with eclipse give me a one-liner? is eclipse an IDE? does debian have it? i am confused...
18:39.44asgpmitros: do you know what version of GCC is required? what version do you have?
18:39.46flophousearchpollux: Right.  But it's a language representation of that API.  Same as if it were the native language API (well, almost).
18:39.46cliebowyeah ok...i always used kdm to avoid max-session errors in ltsp..
18:39.51archpolluxmadduck: yes and yes
18:39.52maxb_kors -- Holla at you later dog
18:39.54asgmadduck: yes and yes
18:40.11madduckarchpollux, asg: so if i want to use it for c++, which package do i need to install???
18:40.23archpolluxmadduck: apt-cache search eclipse
18:40.28cliebowmaxb--looking------
18:40.39archpolluxmadduck: but my guess is eclipse?
18:40.40pmitrosasg: I don't know which version is required. I know old gcc's did build it, since one of the setup choices for OS is 'Linux.' I have gcc 3.3.3 from testing.
18:40.49asgmadduck: you need a jdk (/msg dpkg jdk) ; install eclipse ; use the downloads area at eclipse.org to find a c++ plugin
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18:41.04madduckarchpollux: eclipse does not exist... and it looks like the pkgs are really to develop for eclipse, not with...
18:41.18asgpmitros: see if you can use the gcc-2.95 from woody.
18:41.18madduckasg: so eclipse is java-based?
18:41.20flophousemadduck: try eclipse-jdt
18:41.20archpolluxlinagee: that's actually quite entertaining
18:41.31asgmadduck: yes, thought the gui components are native.
18:41.35cliebowlooks like it is gdm2 in libranet
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18:41.42pmitrosasg: I'll try it. One sec.
18:41.46madduckso what does it need a jdk for?
18:41.47maxb_cliebow -- this may help : http://faculty.acu.edu/~westk/winbind.html
18:41.52asgmadduck: if all you are doing is c++, try kdevelop instead
18:42.09asgmadduck: the java part (the bindings to a native toolkit and the rest of the IDE)
18:42.10madduckasg: i don't want to install hundreds of libraries just for kdevelop...
18:42.11xamBoingo: the rest should be IP_NF_ or something loke that
18:42.12cliebowi'll take a look..thanks foir th e help
18:42.16flophousemadduck: It shouldn't for the native UI.  If you're doing C++, listen to asg
18:42.17asgmadduck: okay
18:42.23maxb_cliebow -- is there a #libranet?
18:42.37pmitrosHmmm... apt-cache search also shows a gcc 272.
18:42.39archpolluxwhat a freakin weird bug to have in kvim!
18:42.43asgmaxb_: 11 people in #libranet
18:42.44cliebowi don't think so they have their own forum
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18:43.07maxb_asg -- #libranet is pumping!
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18:43.34gameduckanyone know if aptitude will isntall it dependcy?? i'm trying to install apache. when i hit enter. it says. apache-common UNSATIFIED. how do i SATIFIED it??
18:43.34asgpmitros: probably quite a bit; Try both though and see what works.
18:43.42archpolluxpmitros: 2.95 was quite stable, i think
18:43.46maxb_gameduck - wtf
18:43.47linageepmitros: yuck. 2.95? use 3.0 already!
18:43.48asgmaxb_: yeah, I'm going to have to leave #hottub and /j #libranet
18:43.54greycatlinagee: surely you mean 3.2
18:43.55asglinagee: he needs an old compiler
18:43.59gameduckmaxb. yeah WTF? is what i'm saying
18:44.00Guerinpmitros: 23 subsubversions, must be something changed in there :)
18:44.07archpolluxgameduck: apt-get install apache will satisfy the shit out of it
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18:44.15linageegreycat: 3.0, 3.2, whatever. as long as it's not 2.x  :)
18:44.22gameduckarch. haahahah but then i want to install libapache-modules :)
18:44.29greycatlinagee: g++ 3.0 and 3.1 are lame ducks
18:44.31gameducki want to choose what modules to be installed
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18:44.36archpolluxgreycat: or maybe 3.3?
18:44.40gameduckcan i choose the libapache-moduels later?
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18:44.46linageegreycat: why? because 2.x didn't have the ultra top secret government spyware backdoor. :)
18:44.48pmitrosThere's also altgcc. I'm betting the libc5 environment would work.
18:44.48yangHow do I properly configure scsi scanner ?
18:44.49archpolluxgameduck: yes
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18:44.53gameduckcool
18:44.54linageegreycat: ssssh. :)
18:45.05maxb_asg -- i must admit a shocking secret, i tried fedora for a month recently, but #fedora was so goddamn boring, not even a bot! i petitioned for one, but it fell on deaf ears
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18:45.12archpolluxlinagee: super super secure shell?
18:45.13xamBoingo: thats VERY odd ... it works here perfectly ...
18:45.39gameduckthx!!!
18:45.44linageearchpollux: it doesn't have to be that secure, just super super SECRET shell. :)
18:45.50asgmaxb_: I've used fedora to debootstrap debian on some IBM blades ;)
18:46.01archpolluxlinagee: heh.. might not help, though
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18:47.01Guerindamnit, sylpheed-claws in unstable is gtk1.2 :(
18:47.01maxb_asg -- well i must admit i found fedora core 1 a little too stable (in my case anyway), i had to come back to the uncertainty of sid
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18:48.04asgmaxb_: Didn't use it for much, just to get around the abominable PCMCIA USB CD-Rom shite that IBM Blade servers have.
18:48.14asgmaxb_: I did steal the cursors though
18:48.22pmitrosMmmmkey. So 2.95 uses the 3.3.3 includes, and so still has the #error pragma even if it does support it. Time to find old include files....
18:48.51xamBoingo: those are the last options in "IP netfilter"
18:49.01linageepmitros: why not just use the most beta version of GCC you can find?
18:49.24maxb_asg -- i *needed* gnome 2.6
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18:49.48pmitroslinagee: GCC doesn't support varargs anymore and requires stdargs. I have a massive application I need to make trivial changes to that uses old-style code full of varargs.
18:49.55asgmaxb_: asg       1474  1440  0 May03 ?        00:01:38 /usr/bin/fvwm -s
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18:50.00pmitroslinagee: As a result, I need an old build environment of some sort.
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18:50.59linageepmitros: my suggestion would be to pull the bleeding edge version of GCC off their CVS, and try that. :)
18:51.07maxb_asg -- for real?
18:51.13Scarsis there any way to run the exim4 config again without reinstall exim4?
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18:51.26asgmaxb_: yes, fvwm is very configurable
18:51.31GathondScars: yes
18:51.38asgScars: see if there is an exim4-config or somesuch in /usr/sbin
18:51.46ricky_clarksonpmitros: #c here or #gcc on irc.oftc.net
18:51.50pmitroslinagee: That would NOT WORK. This is a feature REMOVED in newer gccs.
18:51.51maxb_Scars -- dpkg-reconfigure exim
18:51.53asgScars: or dpkg-reconfigure exim4
18:52.13pmitrosticky: I could try it, although this is somewhat Debian specific.
18:52.35ricky_clarksonThe name's ricky.
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18:52.43pmitrosricky: typo.
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18:52.52ricky_clarksonpmitrot: s'ok.
18:52.52linageepmitros: that's dumb. why did you use an outdated feature? :)
18:52.52notoriousEa/s/l pix pls, k thx!!
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18:53.15Scarshmm when i run dpkg-reconfigure exim4 nothing happends
18:53.30ShadurnotoriousE: Wow, it's been a long time since anyone was *that* moronic in here.
18:53.45notoriousEShadur pix pls
18:53.46greycatsticky_clarkson: are you sure?
18:53.52ricky_clarksonnotoriousE: http://www.ihateaol.co.uk/misc/galleries/show.php/800x800/funnypics//banhammer.jpg
18:53.52linageepmitros: my suggestion: million monkeys in a million rooms typing at a million typewriters, eventually one will output your code in a GCC 3.2-compilable way. :)
18:53.55asggreycat: hah
18:53.56ricky_clarksongreybat: yup.
18:53.56ShadurPeople like you actually exist? Wow.
18:53.57GuerinnotoriousE: http://tubgirl.org
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18:54.09Scarsi think I have had some prblems with the installation, how can I reinstall it, seems when using apt-get remove wont remove eveyrthing
18:54.37notoriousEa/s/l Guerin pix r hot
18:54.39maxb_Guerin -- now dont be pulling out the big guns, tubgirl is pretty heavy ;)
18:54.48greycatScars: apt-get --purge remove something
18:54.51ricky_clarksonlinagee: I think you might need the Infinite Monkey Protocol Suite.
18:54.53asgnotoriousE: that's not going to get you on bash.org I'm afraid
18:55.04asgricky_clarkson: libimps-dev ?
18:55.07GuerinnotoriousE: fuck/off/you/peasant
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18:55.27linageericky_clarkson: i think microsoft sells a version. actually, they call it a service, so you're looking at infinite dollars. :)
18:55.27ircdevili need help to copy files from a smartmedia usb cardreader to hd. smartmedia may be currupt -> i get cp: reading `p1010083.jpg': Input/output error. ideas ?
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18:55.38asghehe
18:55.53Guerinscratched by the cat
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18:55.59_morbid_hi friends
18:56.09ircdevilcan i try to raw copy the files with dd ?
18:56.10blake_how do u change the date and time in debian?
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18:56.15Guerin_morbid_: a cheery hello to you!
18:56.18maxb_Guerin -- my 15 year old nephew tricked me to a look at tubgirl
18:56.19asgblake_: man date
18:56.30Guerinmaxb_: younguns these days
18:56.34tarbazthere are few unused modul; how can i uninstall them ?
18:56.36ricky_clarksonasg: kinky.
18:56.47_morbid_I just can't remember the name of an application that burns audio cd's from mp3 files
18:56.57linageeasg: man date; sleep; exit;
18:56.58Guerinmaxb_: I bit the bullet and clicked a link to see what all the fuss was about
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18:56.59greycatmpg321 and cdrecord
18:57.02_morbid_a gtk app as I remember
18:57.14greycatmpg321 and cdrecord inside gnome-terminal
18:57.14asglinagee: don't forget the fscking
18:57.21_morbid_hum, greycat, seens to not be this, but I will try them
18:57.27pmitrosOkay. The libc5-altdev appears to build it, although at the end, the linker complains that the libX11.so uses glibc, whereas everything else uses libc5. There used to be a libx11-altdev some long time ago...
18:57.29ricky_clarksonasg: I was hoping nobody would mention that.
18:57.31ircdevilwhat filesystem would a smartmedia card nomally use? i think ill fsck this thing.
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18:57.40linageeasg: man date; fsck; fsck; fsck; sleep; exit;
18:57.46asgricky_clarkson: sorry, it's almost pubtime
18:57.47maxb_Guerin and anyone else bored or curious -- look at this http://www.redcoat.net/pics/Taiwan.jpg
18:57.48greycatpmitros: you could dig out your Debian 1.3 CD
18:57.57asglinagee: /msg dpkg sex
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18:58.02Guerinmaxb_: no, I'm no longer bored or curious, thanks
18:58.11linageeasg: that's it. dpkg -i sex
18:58.35blake_how do u set it it doesn't help me
18:58.37maxb_Guerin -- i have to know if its real
18:58.59maxb_Guerin -- i need fellow voyagers
18:59.11pmitrosYeah. It builds, but doesn't run, so it 'can't load library libX11.so.6'
18:59.17pmitross/so/since/
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18:59.31pmitrosgreycat: I'll look for old Debian packages. Not a bad idea.
18:59.38chitiri_!info exim4
18:59.41dpkgexim4: (An MTA (Mail Transport Agent)), section mail, is important. Version: 4.33-1 (sid), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 20 kB
18:59.43greycatpmitros: I'd suggest setting up a chroot to do this in
18:59.53linagee!info debian
19:00.02ricky_clarksonmaxb_: That is fucking awful.
19:00.04Guerinmaxb_: I will not bite
19:00.04blake_so the command o change the date is "man date", but what do I put after it?
19:00.05pmitrosgreycat: I'm doing something more-or-less equivalent.
19:00.14greycatblake_: enter
19:00.15linageepackage 'debian' does not exist
19:00.18Guerinmaxb_: i am wiser than that
19:00.25ircdevilwtf? the directory i was working in vanished?
19:00.37greycatircdevil: I've been known to do that to myself on occasion.
19:00.46blake_but then it just brings up a manual that I can't understand
19:00.55linageeblake_: after man date, fsck.
19:00.58maxb_ricky_clarkson -- pretty disturbing aye, im sure its fake though, still a good job
19:01.21mothasIn the normal course of things, when should sarge get frozen?
19:01.27greycatmothas: when it's ready
19:01.38maxb_ricky_clarkson -- print out a copy and take it to your local chinese takeaway, ask if they have that dish
19:01.40greycatmothas: this isn't openbsd; we don't release every 6 months
19:02.19Guerinso, getting back to my mua woes: anyone using t-bird with imap over tls?
19:02.25ircdevilgreycat i got fantastic photos stuck on this thing. i am soon desperate
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19:02.32ricky_clarksonmaxb_: It's number 342.
19:02.37maxb_hah
19:02.42naimcompiling the kernel now for 1st time ... should i disable all power management since this is not a laptop ?? does this have significant performance effects if i do ??
19:02.45greycatircdevil: have you tried fsck.fat32 or whatever it's called?
19:02.45Guerinlast I used it was 0.4, and it was buggy as all hell, and slow
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19:02.59greycatnaim: disabling APM/ACPI is a good thing.
19:03.04ricky_clarksonmaxb_: I live near 100 Indian restaurants and 1 Chinese.
19:03.06linageegreycat: fsck.fat32? kinky
19:03.07greycator is it APCI... whichever
19:03.08thebuggreycat, ircdev: fsck.vfat IIRC
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19:03.11Scarshow can I see what version of debian I run?
19:03.23ricky_clarksonScars: cat /etc/debian_version
19:03.23greycatScars: cat /etc/debian_version
19:03.25maxb_ricky_clarkson -- wheres that?
19:03.31ircdevilgreycat open /dev/sdd1:No such device or address -> it seems the usb device went missing after the failed copy operation.
19:03.35ricky_clarksonmaxb_: Near Rusholme, Manchester, England.
19:03.37naimgreycat, tnx
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19:03.42greycatircdevil: that's... unhealthy-sounding.
19:03.45maxb_ricky_clarkson -- figures
19:03.51ricky_clarksonmaxb_: You've heard of it?
19:04.01greycatircdevil: have you tried on another computer?  another OS even?
19:04.19maxb_ricky_clarkson -- no, but i know anglophiles eat more curries than actual indians
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19:04.28sussudio!britsnack
19:04.29ircdevilgreycat yes. i tried with winblows on the same box -> errors
19:04.31mothasgreycat: OK - I understand. Just trying to do some planning here.  Is it reasonable to expect the ETA to be months rather than years?
19:05.01ricky_clarksonmaxb_: mm, we are rather fond.
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19:05.07Puggsricky_clarkson: i used to live near there, on great western road
19:05.15ricky_clarksonPuggs: Don't know that road.
19:05.26ricky_clarksonPuggs: I know upper brook street and wilmslow road.
19:05.38ircdevilgreycat i think the media is bad - and that causes this strange /dev/ && mount behavoiur. now i need to power off the box, for the usb device to be accessible again. and that is so unlinux!
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19:06.03maxb_ricky_clarkson -- yeah i read that indian take aways in england had been putting some kind of carcinogenic die in tikka's
19:06.13Puggsricky_clarkson: its near hulme hall, other side wilmslow road to upp brook st
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19:06.27Scarsif it say "testing/unstable" what version is that, is it testing version of woody?
19:06.37maxb_ricky_clarkson -- to make it that distinctive red/yellow colour\
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19:06.57Guerinmaxb_: dye in curry is standard, even in india
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19:07.03ricky_clarksonPuggs: Rusholme Place is where Hulme Hall is.
19:07.08thebugScars: testing isn't a 'version' of woody... woody is the current stable release
19:07.10ricky_clarksonPuggs: I fancy a warden there.
19:07.16Guerinmaxb_: I worked in an indian kitchen for 2 years
19:07.26mothasScars: woody is 'stable'  testing = 'sarge', unstable = 'sid' I believe.
19:07.35Guerin(in NZ, not in india)
19:07.54maxb_Guerin -- yeah im aware of that, but its this particular one i think that was so bad
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19:08.19Scarswhat version is about to be released in "short" time?
19:08.27sussudioScars: badger
19:08.30naimdpkg is a bot .. it does not eat ..thats what i thought
19:08.31dpkgnaim: no idea
19:08.32ricky_clarksonNoooo
19:08.34thebugScars: whatever's ready
19:08.41GuerinScars: unstable v.0.9876853427
19:08.41thebugScars: and when it's ready
19:08.42maxb_Scars -- zorg
19:08.48ricky_clarksonScars: unstable is released.
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19:09.24mothasScars: Unstable --> Testing --> Stable.
19:09.48maxb_sussudio -- what happens at disneyland in arabia?
19:10.07maxb_mickey mouse gets his hands cut off?
19:10.09ricky_clarksonsussudio: Surely I'd be unable to drink there.  You bastard.
19:10.25ricky_clarkson~yorkshiresmite sussudio
19:10.32ricky_clarkson!yorkshiresmite sussudio
19:10.36Scars!info exim4
19:10.36sussudioricky_clarkson: and no crabpaste
19:10.38dpkgexim4: (An MTA (Mail Transport Agent)), section mail, is important. Version: 4.33-1 (sid), Packaged size: 0 kB, Installed size: 20 kB
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19:10.41maxb_no wait, minnie paid the blood money
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19:11.03thebugScars: mess with the bots in a /msg, not in the channel please
19:12.30maxb_meanwhile... bill quietly slips into Linus's reindeer skin tent to warm himself by the reindeer shit fire
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19:12.45ricky_clarksonsussudio: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/badgers.txt - unfortunately bash.org rejected it.
19:12.54Guerinmaxb_: hey, enough with the computer fanfic
19:13.13maxb_fanfic?
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19:13.24ricky_clarksonfan fiction
19:13.28maxb_oh
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19:14.01maxb_you guys are as much fun as the ukrainian gnome users group party
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19:14.11Guerinmaxb_: I dunno about that ...
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19:14.28themolestcan top or ps display the amount of open files a process has
19:14.51thebugthemolest: perhaps you want lsof?
19:14.56maxb_i saw the photos on footgnotes, it looked like a blast
19:14.57sussudioor maybe the australian midget abuser group party
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19:15.09themolestwell i only want to know the number, not a list of all of em
19:15.24themolesttrying to diagnose why im getting errors that theres too many open files,
19:15.26solarsasg, got it working :) beer is on the way :) always waited for such a good tutorial
19:15.41tempois there anyone here who offers web hosting?
19:15.44maxb_im sure they were off to sell some depleted uranium after
19:15.54solarsbob2, thanks for your ttf tutorial :)
19:16.00thebugthemolest: you could always just up the number...it's somewhere in /proc/sys
19:16.00Guerintempo: for a small fee I will direct you to a good host
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19:16.30themolestwell.. i don't believe any of the users needs over 1024 files open
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19:16.36tempoGuerin, heh.. i already know a couple of good hosts. you can give me that small fee now :p
19:16.45themolestso i think its an error, or ghost processes
19:17.22Guerinthemolest: "files" in this sense isn't necessarily actual files - it's sockets, data connections over tcp, etc
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19:17.29itomhi all; when start my system in the boot procedure at beginning I have this message: "mount: wrong fs type, bad options, bad superblock on tmpfs, or to many mounted filesystem" how I can fix it?
19:17.30themolesti understand that
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19:17.41thebugthemolest: you could always do lsof|wc -l
19:17.58Guerinthemolest: I ran into the 1024 limit easily running bittorrent
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19:18.12themolestnot running bittorrent or anything
19:18.13themolest:)
19:18.19themolestjust an eggdrop...
19:18.48zinxit's probably not closing fds
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19:19.19themolestagreed, because after the eggdrop died, that file count says 369
19:19.21themolest:)
19:20.05maxb_completely off topic but.. has anyone here ever installed suse 9.0 or 9.1?
19:20.09sussudioricky_clarkson: home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/(Dead_Ringers)_Disneyland_Arabia.avi
19:20.44linageei don't get it. is ext2 almost always better than ext3??
19:20.52sussudio!better
19:20.53dpkgbetter is, like, a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
19:21.02linageesussudio: faster
19:21.08thebuglinagee: any filesystem could be the best, it depends on what you need
19:21.24linageesussudio: http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html
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19:21.31linageethebug: http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html
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19:21.42stvnlinagee: ext3 is a lot faster after a crash ;)
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19:22.11linageestvn: but if you never crash, ext2 is the better choice?
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19:22.43beschwawould ip 192.198.2.4 be an internal ip?
19:22.55beschwawould ip *192.168.2.4 be an internal ip?
19:22.56linageeno
19:23.00linageeyes
19:23.07beschwathanks
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19:24.13stvnlinagee: maybe, but everyone says journaled ones are 'better' for large HDs
19:24.17maxb_lamp - why do you keep changing your name to mama?
19:24.31maxb_and vice versa
19:24.31Saw^what would be the easiest way to overwrite a 10G partition?
19:24.42maxb_?
19:24.42noddabait's not possible to install debian directly to a software raid0, correct?  i first have to install debian on to a single disk and then setup raid0?
19:24.45maxb_with what
19:24.51linageestvn: sure they are. i put in a 160gb and it took FOREVER to check. but so? ext2 is faster...
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19:25.19daesothoent2 is not necessarily faster
19:25.25daesothoreiserfs beats it in some cases
19:25.46linageedaesotho: read the article. i was only talking about ext2 vs ext3.
19:25.53daesothooh ok
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19:26.01stvnlinagee: besides the test published today didn't show that ext2 was the best, merely that it was faster than ext3, so go for reiser or xfs or jfx
19:26.01ricky_clarksonooh, mama.
19:26.04stvnjfs
19:26.19xamdaesotho: tmpfs is the fastest ;)
19:26.23stvnheh
19:26.25linageeStevenK: reiser: bad because it's copyrighted or whatnot
19:26.30daesothoxam: lol
19:26.31linageei mean stvn
19:26.32thebugxam: we ought to benchmark it!
19:26.40RichiHxam: ramfs would be, nay?
19:26.43linageestvn: jfs, shows it was waaay slower on some tests...
19:26.49linageethebug: read slashdot...
19:27.01linageethebug: http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html
19:27.13thebuglinagee: you've posted that same damn link about 5 times now, we get it
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19:27.30RichiHlinagee: we can reas slashdot ourselves, click the link manually, you know
19:27.35linageethebug: oic, didn't see tmpfs. hahahaha
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19:28.03maxb_sussudio -- sorry but i have to say that disney arabia, is one of the unfunniest things ive ever seen
19:28.17xeronei added a line such as 192.168.1.2 webmail.domain.com domain.com domain into the /etc/hosts file, i can ping everyone except for the webmail.domain.com, any ideas?
19:28.23sussudiomaxb_: i think that's the point
19:28.31stvnlinagee: thought reiser was free, there's a lot of resier stuff in debian
19:28.45maxb_sussudio -- maybe its cause im not american
19:28.50mandithe tests are most likely all bogus
19:28.51linageestvn: shrug. load it up. you get a bunch of crap messages.
19:28.57mandihe doesn't say that he has rebooted between every test
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19:29.39xamlinagee: I also want to know whether I should use JFS or XFS ... and I've read a couple of benchmarks (also the one link above) about the topic ... all are different ... especially 2.6 is different again from 2.4
19:29.51maxb_i want to live in canada
19:29.58linageemandi: who needs facts when you have the power of linuxgazette? :)
19:30.02stvnlinagee: heh, TBH my fielserver is so slow ATM that i guess it wouldn't matter that much if i use ext2/3 reiser or anything (except maybe tmpfs ;))
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19:30.33maxb_its our mountain home
19:30.40mandiand he only tests performance with unrealistic operations, and doesn't test the different journalling modes of ext3, or even say which mode he is using
19:31.15linageemandi: i stick to my previous statement. :)
19:31.23thebuganyone know if JFS supports resizing in LVs like it does under AIX?
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19:31.35mandithebug, it can grow.
19:31.45mandithebug, hot-grow only, no cold grow or shrink
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19:32.02thebugmandi: i would assume that it wouldn't resize the lv for you either, as it does in AIX
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19:32.11stvnnight Guerin
19:32.14mandithebug, that is the LV's job. use EVMS if you want that
19:32.24thebugmandi: really, no shrink though? hmm
19:32.25Guerinbeen glorious chattin' with y'all
19:32.30maxb_Guerin -- see you later
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19:32.36mandithebug, XFS is the same.
19:32.59Guerinmaxb_: seeya ... and ain't you gonna sleep?
19:33.06maxb_Guerin -- dont let the gangpey or yunachi get ya
19:33.07thebugmandi: i was under the impression that it (JFS) could grow _and_ shink, at least under aix
19:33.10Guerini guess it's too late now :)
19:33.17maxb_yungachi
19:33.22maxb_i mean
19:33.24mandithebug, Linux isn't AIX
19:33.31thebugmandi: i realize this
19:33.37linageemandi: SCO isn't Linux. :)
19:33.38Guerinmaxb_: I'll be hella careful
19:33.52stvnlinagee: it isn't?
19:33.55maxb_Guerin -- heh, yeh i should sleep, but ...
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19:34.41maxb_Guerin -- i swear some others in here never do
19:34.44linageestvn: maybe SCO can have some linux developers killed so they can steal more code, deface linux, and there's nobody to speak up and say, "hey! i wrote that!"
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19:34.46bahamat35)
19:34.56maxb_Guerin -- maybe ther just clever bots
19:35.33linageemaxb_: The matrix has you.
19:35.35stvnlinagee: heh
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19:35.47albinoWhats the name of the virtual package that includes all the things necessary to do development.  i.e. compile a kernel?
19:36.02bahamatalbino: build-essential
19:36.32albinobahamat: Thanks, thats what I was looking for
19:36.38bahamatnp
19:36.38maxb_linagee -- i swear that no matter what time of the day or night (in my country anyway) that greycat and cafuego are in here
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19:37.01bahamatmaxb_: that happens no matter what country you're in
19:37.08maxb_heh
19:37.13linageegreycat: are you a bot?
19:37.31bahamatlinagee: no, he's not
19:37.46dan2maxb_: try 17:00 -0400
19:37.59linageebahamat: are you a bot?
19:38.00maxb_dan2 -- what?
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19:38.06dystopiawhat are people using as high-end 3D card on Linux these days?
19:38.07bahamatlinagee: yes
19:38.09dan2maxb_: 21:00 UTC Time
19:38.10linageelol
19:38.16mogorvahi all. anyone from HUP/Hungary?
19:38.18maxb_dan2 -- what?
19:38.30dan2!tell maxb about utc
19:38.33thebugdystopia: ati r9600pro perhaps? or maybe some other firegl card
19:38.47linagee!tell bahamat about he is a bot
19:38.53dystopiahmm
19:39.04maxb_dan2 -- i didnt get told
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19:39.25geertnI'm doing an upgrade to testing, but I dont want apt-get dist-upgrade to upgrade to apache2 how do I prevent that?
19:39.33zimnyxanybody from Italy ??
19:39.34maxb_ok, touchy
19:39.40archpolluxgeertn: it won't
19:39.59archpolluxgeertn: it's a different package altogether
19:40.35geertnarchpollux, it says it will install apache2 as a new package
19:40.37daxxarhi, i'm running a exim4-daemon-heavy, default config (mostly, debconfed), and I get this error:
19:40.39bahamatgeertn: don't install it
19:40.40daxxarStarting MTA: 2004-05-11 21:40:05 Exim configuration error in line 24 of /etc/exim4/exim4.conf:
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19:40.54maxb_geertn -- put apache on hold
19:40.59daxxarline 24 only contains "DEBCONFminimaldnsDEBCONF"
19:41.03bahamatgeertn: just do apt-get upgrade
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19:41.16geertnmaxb_, can you give me a heads up on how to do this?
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19:41.36enj1hi, if i overwrote the MBR with grub on install, how do i fix it so i can boot XP again?
19:41.52maxb_sorry, not off the top of my dome, but google for holding packages, its not a hard process
19:42.15maxb_enj1 -- add a xp stanza
19:42.16daxxardoesn't www.debian.org have a 'search' feature?
19:42.22somiajenj1: you can modify grub to boot off of windows, check out /usr/share/doc/grub
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19:42.36somiajdaxxar: what are you searching for
19:42.40greycatdaxxar: the mailing list archives do, and packages.debian.org does, and bugs.debian.org *almost* does
19:42.46atomi'm looking for cacti0.8.5a.deb?
19:42.52greycatatom: /msg dpkg search
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19:43.03greycatatom: if it's old, /msg dpkg snapshot
19:43.05naimcompiling the kernel now for 1st time ... oes microcode support have anything to do with BOIS  ?
19:43.08maxb_geertn -- if you use synaptic you can do it easily, with just afew mouse clicks
19:43.16greycatif it's *really* old, /msg dpkg archives
19:43.17bahamatnaim: no
19:43.18thebugnaim: no, has to do with your processor
19:43.26greycatdpkg, archives is <reply> see archive
19:43.27dpkggreycat: okay
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19:44.37maxb_would it be lame to get a tattoo of tux?
19:44.46mogorvahmm... anyone from HUP/Hungary?
19:45.04atomgreycat: thanks!
19:45.33geertnmaxb_, thanx, it was: echo "apache2-common hold" | dpkg --set-selections
19:45.41naimthebug, so if my processor supports, which it does  .. nothing to do with bois ? is it a good idea to keep this option anyway ?
19:45.43daxxargreycat: okay.
19:45.53maxb_geertn -- no problems, glad i could help
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19:46.02thebugnaim: depends on if you care about updating your processor's microcode or not
19:46.03daxxari was talking about maxb_'s "google for holding packages" comment :-)
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19:47.03naimthebug, point me to a doc that could help me decide plz
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19:47.26daxxar'nway, why is exim4-config broken per default? i copied the "/etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template", was this wrong?
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19:47.45daxxarlines like 'DEBCONFminimaldnsDEBCONF', are they supposed to have been parsed by debconf for exim4-config? =)
19:47.47maestrohow  can i start java applets under debian, which package i need
19:47.57thebugnaim: http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2678 perhaps
19:47.59maxb_naim -- like most options when compiling a kernel say, "if you dont know what it is/does, you dont need it"
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19:48.34somiajmaestro: you'll have to grab them from either java.com or get them from blackdown.org
19:48.39maxb_maestro -- j2re
19:48.46K-sPecialHey, I have an PCI IDE controller. When I don't have support for it compiled in the kernel, ide0/ide1 is the motherboard IDE controller, if I compile with support for the PCI controller, ide0/ide1 becomes the PCI ide controller.... and all of a sudden my mobo IDE controller don't show up...In my oppinion and from everything i've read, the mobo IDE controller should be ide0/ide1 and the PCI controller ide2/ide3, but this is not the case.... Any idea's?
19:49.11naimmaxb_, wish tha was the case .. i read what it is and i understand what it does .. but still i cant decide ..like buying icecream u see
19:49.32bahamatK-sPecial: did you retain support for your mb based controller?
19:49.37thebugnaim: then just pick it as a module and if you decide you want it, load the module
19:49.42naimthebug, maxb_ tnx for all
19:49.44K-sPecialbahamat: sure did, it's just generic support is all it needs.
19:49.44Saw^What's the difference between /dev/urandom and random?
19:49.45bahamatnaim: what option is it?
19:49.50K-sPecialbahamat: but no, I certainly didn't remove it.
19:49.53maxb_maestro  -- put this in apt sources deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./
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19:50.11thebugbahamat: x86 microcode update device is what he was talking about
19:50.16bahamatSaw^: one gathers real entropy which can be used up, the other fakes it
19:50.16K-sPecialbahamat: i've made sure of this probably 10 different times :/
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19:50.21naimbahamat, /dev/cpu/microcode
19:50.24maxb_maestro  -- and apt get install j2re1.4
19:50.27bahamatnaim: you don't need it
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19:50.51naimbahamat, when do i need it ?
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19:51.07bahamatnaim: if you have a binary microcode patch in your hand that you want to use right now
19:51.28Saw^bahamat: so... other one would be faster?
19:51.36thebugbahamat: urbanmyth.org/microcode has them for download
19:51.41bahamatSaw^: not really
19:51.48bahamatthebug: so?
19:52.10bahamatSaw^: one can get used up, and when it's used up it will wait until more is generated before it outputs more random characters
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19:52.25silasIs it possible to centrally configure mozilla to use certain helper applications, or is it only possible to alter the default profile users get initially?
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19:52.57Saw^bahamat: I want to fill disk space with something, you have an idea what would be fastest way?
19:53.03maxb_naim -- from a random mailing list, think it it sums it up : A microcode update is used to correct errata in the processor, and the
19:53.03maxb_facility is part of the architecture, as written in the manual. As Dave
19:53.03maxb_pointed out, if the BIOS has the latest one, the OS does not need to do
19:53.05naimbahamat, and i only get there when i get lots of cpu errors that i know what their cause is..
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19:53.13NeKrowhat do I put in the /etc/apt/sources.list   to get "unstable" packages from apt-get ?
19:53.15bahamatsilas: mozilla will use gnome's preference if it doesn't have one of it's own
19:53.26bahamatSaw^: /dev/urandom
19:53.30sussudioSaw^: subscribe to LKML?
19:53.34silasbahamat: Gotcha, thanks.
19:53.36nkuttlerNeKro: if you have to ask you don't
19:53.45bahamatnaim: what?
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19:53.49NeKrothats lame
19:53.52Saw^sussudio: =)
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19:53.55naimmaxb_, thats what confused me .. some say it in the bois ..some say other
19:53.56silasbahamat: Would you mind refreshing me on where the system mimetypes for gnome reside?
19:54.20bahamatsilas: the only "system" mimetypes for gnome are what gnome chooses as the default
19:54.38maxb_naim -- i think if you have a recent mobo, with latest bios provided by the manafacturer, i wouldntt bother
19:54.41bahamatsilas: any user can make it whatever they like in the mime types control panel
19:54.46silasbahamat: Hrm...  Well hopefully that involves /etc/mime.types
19:54.56thebugnaim: your bios may be updating it for you, before you boot. the kernel microcode device lets you update it after linux has started
19:55.00bahamatsilas: unfortunately it doesn't
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19:55.03maxb_naim -- thats what i gather, and i am no expert on the matter
19:55.10silasbahamat: Right, but I want to set sane defaults.  I'm trying to configure realplayer for 300 hosts.  =)
19:55.27naimbahamat, the patch u talk about .. not needed unless  i am having sometrouble // not me tho
19:55.38bahamatsilas: that's what it uses to associate a mime type with a file extension, but not what applications are used to open it
19:55.41dystopiathebug: i want a card which doesn't require a proprietary driver and is good for 3D editting, rendering, games, 2D and isn't too expensive (< 500). I've been unable to find it so far, given the Matrox Parhelia seems to be only supported by some proprietary driver :(
19:55.59bahamatnaim: that's not what it's for
19:56.02naimmaxb_, tnx anyway ..ill read more on that
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19:56.23bahamatnaim: furthermore, even if you have the microcode support, you have to apply the patch every time you boot the system
19:56.27naimbahamat, its only loaded once eh ?? on first boot
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19:56.42naimbahamat, i was just typing that
19:56.48naimhaha
19:56.50thebugdystopia: most anything that does accelerated 3d requires the binary-only driver for the best performance. this is the case with the ATI radeon 9K cards, which are really the only ones that i've used recently.
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19:57.27bahamatthebug: it goes double for nvidia cards, which are the only ones I've used recently
19:57.30thebugdystopia: however, there generally exist open source drivers for 2d and maybe accellerated Xv
19:57.46maxb_thebug -- i thought ati open sourced there drivers?
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19:58.01thebugbahamat: like i said, i've only had experience with ati firegl-like cards
19:58.18maestromaxb_: how to put this source " http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian" in sources.list
19:58.45maestromaxb_: i have written "deb  http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian unstable" but its not working
19:58.47resiakanyone got any great ideas why my sound (SB Audigy [emu10k1], ALSA) would mysteriously cease to make any noises?
19:58.48dystopiai'm getting so sick of my TNT2's performance and that i need to "recompile" it (the glue) every once in a while :/
19:58.49bahamatthebug: I know, I'm just letting you know that I'm on the other side of the coin, and it's the same down here too
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19:58.54maxb_maestro -- wtf, heh
19:59.04bahamatresiak: is it muted?
19:59.09maxb_yeah ditch the unstable bit
19:59.15daxxarhow do i make exim4-config generate a valid exim4.conf?
19:59.25daxxari only have exim4.conf.template, which obviously is invalid
19:59.29bahamatresiak: my alsa drivers auto mute all chanels if I make certain types of changes
19:59.34maxb_just like this -->
19:59.34maxb_deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./
19:59.34tempois there anyone here who offers web hosting?
19:59.43maestromaxb_: ahhh..
19:59.46daxxari've tried update-exim4.conf, but it doesn't regenrate a exim4.conf
19:59.52resiakbahamat: no, i thought of that :p This used to happen sporadically, but re-running alsaconf used to fix things...
19:59.54bahamattempo: I do
20:00.10thebugbahamat: is it required to have a kernel driver nowadays to use the open source X 4 drivers for nvidia cards?
20:00.11tempo<PROTECTED>
20:00.27nkuttlerdaxxar: there is a conversion script in the package somewhere
20:00.38daxxarnkuttler: i assumed it was update-exim4.conf
20:00.52bahamatthebug: yes, you need the nvidia-kernel module and the nvidia-glx drivers to get 3d working with nv cards
20:01.17nkuttlerdaxxar: hm, maybe. i purged exim. does it not produce an output?
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20:01.24thebugbahamat: so there are accelerated, open-source 3d drivers for nvidia nowadays?
20:01.28daxxarnkuttler: update-exim4.conf, nope
20:01.30maestromaxb_: does it work with mozilla too
20:01.43maxb_tempo -- just pretend you run fedora, i know they have webspace for fedora related stuff
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20:02.01silasbahamat: If they're running KDE, but the mime type is setup correctly in Gnome, will mozilla still ask "gnome" about the configuration entry?
20:02.05maestromaxb_: can i run java applets with mozilla too
20:02.08maxb_maestro -- yes thats the point ! heh
20:02.15silasbahamat: Or, since gnome isn't running, does mozilla forget about that whole piece of the puzzle?
20:02.16daxxar<PROTECTED>
20:02.18maestromaxb_: ok thanks ...
20:02.20daxxarnevermind ;)
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20:02.27ribnitzheyas
20:02.30tempomaxb_, heh
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20:03.10resiakbahamat: at risk of sounding totally inept, where would you go about un-muting things? alsamixer[gui]?
20:03.21maxb_tempo -- i say it half joking, but you should ask
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20:03.43bahamatsilas: I think if the user has the .gconf and .gnome directories it will read them directly itself
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20:03.58bahamatresiak: I just use the alsa mixer
20:03.58daxxari just installed exim4-daemon-heavy, how do i config/make sure it's running spam and virus control?
20:04.14bahamatdaxxar: it's not, get spamassassin
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20:04.27resiakbahamat: yeah... oh well
20:04.30resiakany other ideas?
20:04.32daxxarisn't exiscan that kind of stuff?
20:04.33ribnitzdaxxar: you need to adapt the config files.
20:04.33maxb_resiak -- i use gnome-alsamixer, its apt getable
20:04.37bahamatdaxxar: and avidemux
20:04.42mapserverHey..please...did someone here already have compiled php from apt-source and later dpkg-buildpackage but, php sapi as cgi mode???
20:04.48mapserveris it possible?
20:04.57bahamatdaxxar: hmm, maybe it is, I've never heard of that
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20:05.14bahamatdaxxar: um, I didn't mean avidemux, that's for video editing.  I meant amavis
20:05.17daxxarah, exiscan is patch for exim to run SA and antivirus
20:05.29daxxari've got clamav and spamassassin installed
20:05.45bahamatdaxxar: it's probably not a patch for exim, just for exim.conf
20:05.46Kaiowahow could i reinstall the mysql database from mysql???
20:05.56maxb_i have been up all night on irc, i feel disturbing
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20:06.00daxxarexiscan - An email content scanner patch for the exim MTA,
20:06.02bahamatdaxxar: you can set up exim to use sa and av pretty easily
20:06.08ribnitzmapserver: there are backports, its usually not necessary
20:06.09nkuttlerdaxxar: look into amavis too
20:06.19resiakmaxb_: yeah; but the levels aren't the problem
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20:06.28ribnitznkuttler: is that better than clamav?
20:06.32resiakanyone know where alsa dumps its logs or such things?
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20:06.43stevenmHi. I know very little about debian, but I'm trying to modify a debian-based distro. Apt-get update seems to get a list of old, outdated packages from only one source. How do I add a mirro?
20:06.43nkuttlerribnitz: it's just an interface
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20:06.47maxb_resiak -- yeah but you can mute and unmute
20:06.57daxxarnkuttler: what's amavis?
20:07.00mapserverrbnitz: What is the best way??
20:07.02bahamatdaxxar: it looks like you need to update your package list
20:07.07nkuttlerdaxxar: apt-cache show foo
20:07.09maxb_resiak -- thats the prob is it not
20:07.12daxxarnkuttler: merci
20:07.15daxxarbahamat: why? ;)
20:07.15mapserverdo u know some documentation about?
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20:07.17resiakmaxb_: No, it's not
20:07.19maxb_resiak -- sorry i am drifting
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20:07.32bahamat!info testing exiscan
20:07.32resiakmaxb_: I wish it was that simple... It's as if everything was muted, but it's not
20:08.00daxxari'm running unstable, btw, bahamat =)
20:08.05bahamat!info exiscan testing
20:08.08dpkgexiscan: (an email virus scanner for exim), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.4-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 176 kB
20:08.26bahamatdaxxar: because the description changed
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20:08.44ribnitzdid I miss something?
20:08.53bahamatdaxxar: the long desc also says "Please notice that you have to tweak your exim configuration before you can make usage of it. Please be refered to the README.Debian file of the package for a description of the needed changes."
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20:09.02resiakI think that alsa is compiled into my kernel - where would I go to check?
20:09.18maxb_resiak -- have you run alsaconf
20:09.21bahamatresiak: check the config file
20:09.27resiakmaxb_: yes
20:09.30maxb_ok
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20:09.45daxxarbahamat: thanks :-)
20:09.58resiakbahamat: config file where?
20:10.00stevenmhow do I update apt-get's list of mirrors?
20:10.04coneI'm trying to install PHP+Apache+MySQL, and, when I go to mod apache, I get this error:
20:10.05coneconfigure: error: unrecognized option: --activate-module=src/modules/php4/libphp4.a
20:10.11coneany ideas?
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20:10.40ribnitzcone: a woody, a sarge, a sid?
20:10.43bahamatresiak: um, in 2.6 I think you can check /proc/config, if it's not there, try /boot/config-`uname -r`
20:10.46resiakmaxb_: I've had this problem before, but alsaconf used to fix it. incidentally, could the fact that esd doesn't close when I log out of GNOME be connected?
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20:10.55coneribnitz, whats that?
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20:11.19ribnitzcone: what 'brand' of debian are you using?
20:11.27greycat'version' makes a bit more sense
20:11.30ribnitzcone: testing, unstable, or boring?
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20:11.33coneim actualy using redhat
20:11.45greycatcone: then you're in the wrong place.
20:11.47conebut, I was told to come here, for help
20:11.55maxb_meanwhile... Bill inches closer to closer to Linus on the sofa, in the romantic glow of the reindeer shit fire
20:11.56greycatcone: by whom?
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20:11.58daxxarbahamat: i installed exim4-daemon-heavy, there is no /usr/share/doc/exim4-daemon-heavy/README.Debian, but I'll try exiscan-acl-examples.txt.gz
20:12.23coneso any ideas?
20:12.25ribnitzcone: Debian offers prebuilt packages that work rather well, no need to compile yourself.
20:12.29greycatcone: install Debian
20:12.33greycat!any ideas
20:12.33FlyBytei am looking for a website with info on how to setup a logitech wingman extreme joystick, any help would be appreciated
20:12.33dpkgYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a bag of string, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 starving oxen.  And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes!
20:12.53resiakbahamat, maxb_: I gotta be off, but thanks for your help
20:13.00maxb_ok
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20:13.13coneits not a question about redhat, its a problem with the flags
20:13.20conea general llinux question
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20:13.34ribnitzcone: -> #apache, -> #linux
20:13.40maestromaxb_: thanks it works...... now i can run java applets under debian too.. can u tell me well is there any ide to develop java applets or aplication under debian
20:13.40pittsyhello
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20:13.51greycatcone: then go to #linuxhelp
20:13.57greycatcone: this is not a general linux channekl
20:14.03maxb_maestro -- apt-get install j2sdk1.4
20:14.06ribnitzgreycat: thats what i was loooking for, thanks greycat.
20:14.09thebugmaestro:i've heard eclipse is good
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20:14.28maxb_maestro -- sorry thats not an ide, but what youll need
20:14.37mapservercone: tasksel and set webserver
20:14.48maestromaxb_: i want an ide like qtdesigner for java
20:14.53*** part/#debian Adridon (~chatzilla@217.85.231.28)
20:14.57maxb_maestro -- i like emacs, with the java extras
20:14.58*** mode/#debian [+l 793] by debhelper
20:15.08ribnitzmaestro: I use Netbeans.
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20:15.17juanhi all
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20:15.29juanI'm a new debian user
20:15.39ribnitzmaestro: but ofc its wriutten in java, and uses quite a bit of ressources
20:15.41Caylanhey juan
20:15.42juanand guess what?--I have a problem....
20:15.46maestromaxb_: i have heard emacs is an normal editor it can be user for java too......
20:15.52juanhey Caylan
20:15.53ribnitzjuan: hey, congrats
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20:16.06juanhey Rib
20:16.06tritiumhello juan
20:16.08maestroribnitz: ressources i dont care about that but the ide must be good
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20:16.11juanhey trit
20:16.14juanok enough
20:16.19CaylanWTF, i hate deb-mirror
20:16.24FieldySnuts!lart juan
20:16.29ribnitzmaestro: it is.
20:16.34juanlol
20:16.35ribnitzmaestro: www.netbeans.org
20:16.36juanok
20:16.46maestroribnitz: thanks i will try it...
20:16.49juanI am trying to set up a mail server
20:17.03juanroot@mymailingaddress.com works fine
20:17.12juanhow do I add another user/
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20:17.25juansuch as user@mymailingaddress.com
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20:17.42ribnitzjuan: are you using the default exim mainlserver debian comes with?
20:17.44maestroribnitz: its totally free or..
20:17.50juanyes, all is default
20:18.07Q4Manforgive my debian-newbness, but how do I tell apt to install a specific version of a package? I'm getting this when installing sasl/pam: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
20:18.08Q4Man<PROTECTED>
20:18.08Q4ManE: Broken packages
20:18.11maxb_maestro -- long time since i used it, i think its called jde, a java ide package to work with emacs
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20:19.07maestromaxb_: thanks i will try both of it ....
20:19.15ribnitzmaestro: its totally free. They sell a version with integrated  UML-Tool as Sun One, and there are two or three plugins that are non-free.
20:19.28maestroribnitz: ok.. thats fine
20:19.31maxb_who here smokes ciggarettes?
20:19.35juanI do
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20:19.42ribnitzmaestro: And the usual, non-freeness of Java also applies, so that would probably make it contrib
20:19.47CaylanQ4man: try apt-pinning https://twiki.aero.und.edu/twiki/bin/view/Know/DebianLinuxAptPinning
20:19.51greycat!java licensing
20:19.51dpkgread the faq at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch5.html#s-license-concerns
20:19.57juanI also want to add a user to my mailserver...:(
20:19.58maxb_have you ever smoked so many your throat feels like a raw pipe
20:20.07juanevery day, why?
20:20.10greycatjava applications can be free if they can run in Kaffe
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20:20.17maxb_new feeling for me
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20:20.24greycatif they need Sun's JRE, then they're contrib
20:20.31juanhere is a trick
20:20.32ribnitzgreycat: Havent tried it, but netbeans probably doesn't.
20:20.39maestroribnitz: is there no java ide come with kde...or with other desktop systems
20:20.40juandont smoke right before you go to bed
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20:20.52Craspkaffe kinda sucks tho :/
20:20.57maxb_juan -- why?
20:20.59juankeep at least 3 hours time before the last cig and bedtime
20:21.04ribnitzmaestro: What do you want of a Java IDE?
20:21.05greycatCrasp: compared to what? :)
20:21.17Craspcompared to suns or ibm's
20:21.17maxb_juan -- i couldnt, too addicted
20:21.18juanthat way you wont wake up with a sour throat
20:21.21greycatCrasp: compared to the Sun JRE for OpenBSD.... oh wait, there *IS* *NO* Sun JRE for OpenBSD!
20:21.31juanI feel ya
20:21.42Craspgreycat: we are here in #debian aren't we? :p
20:21.44maxb_juan -- how many a day?
20:21.50juanabout 30
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20:21.56greycatCrasp: ok, Sun's JRE for Linux on, say, the hppa platform.
20:22.00maestroribnitz: i dont like to work in a simple console, i like to work with an ide
20:22.05maxb_juan -- damn, you da man, me too
20:22.06greycatCrasp: Debian runs on hppa, y'know.
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20:22.22maxb_juan -- you old or young though?
20:22.25juanmaxb_ -- smoking will kill us....
20:22.31juan27
20:22.31ribnitzmaestro: Look at Netbeans, the only thing I kinda start missing is the uml stuff.
20:22.37greycatxam: me too... just, er, not Debian :)
20:22.51FieldySnuts!crush NetBeans
20:22.55xamgreycat: well, i do ... debian/testing
20:23.01maxb_juan -- 29, started at 15, gotta give up soon, i feel it draining my life
20:23.05juanok any admins in Da HOUSE??
20:23.05maestroribnitz: yes i will install this. i think in official debian ist not ther
20:23.06greycatxam: did you install sarge, or install woody then upgrade?
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20:23.28ribnitzmaestro: no, it hasn't been packaged for debian yet.
20:23.31Craspis sarge stable yet?
20:23.32alexanderhow do i extract tar.bz2 files?
20:23.36greycatalexander: /msg dpkg tar
20:23.38ribnitzCrasp: nope
20:23.45Craspk
20:23.46greycatCrasp: still in testing, see /topic #debian-boot
20:23.50juanAnybody knows how to add a user to the default mail server?
20:23.53maxb_alexander -- tar jxf
20:23.54greycatjuan: adduser
20:23.54xamgreycat: it was pre woody (0.9 release) and then updated to woody, and then to testing
20:24.03juanthats it???
20:24.07greycatxam: *nod*.  I couldn't get d-i to work.
20:24.13juanuser@yourhostname.com?
20:24.15ribnitzjuan: edit /etc/email-adresses, and such.
20:24.23greycatjuan: no, just your usernam e.
20:24.30juanicic
20:24.31maxb_juan -- what mailserver?
20:24.32juantx
20:24.37juandefault
20:24.39greycatmaxb_: default probably means exim
20:24.42ribnitzmaxb_: exim
20:24.43juanno idea which one it is
20:24.44xamgreycat: in fact, i installed it on a C240, then it's power supply failed, and I copied debian to a C3000
20:24.49greycatjuan: /msg dpkg mail tutorial
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20:24.59juanok, tx
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20:25.03maestroribnitz: screenshots are looking very good.....
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20:25.25xamgreycat: what machine do you have?
20:25.25greycatxam: I've been trying on an old spare 715/100, and it's not worked yet.  But I haven't bothered trying woody on it; I'm trying to be more forward-looking.
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20:25.35tuxi-laptopnight all
20:25.43greycatxam: we have literally dozens of 715's, B132L(+)'s and B180L's here at work
20:26.06ohaweeeverytime I startx my mouse doesnt work I have to load a shell restart gpm then exit Xwin and when I re enter it works fine.
20:26.27greycatohawee: /msg dpkg gpm+x
20:26.30ribnitzmaestro: I have used it professionally for the last two years. The only drawbacks I have seen so far: 1) Needs decent hardware (general Java Prob). Make sure you got at least 512 MB RAM if you wanna do serious stuff 2) Missing UML (can be remedied by non-free tools)
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20:27.05xamgreycat: running 2.6.6 here ... quite nicely and stable ... with bridging, IPv6, netfilter and additional USB card, 100MBit ethernet, Voodoo graphics and 11Mbit wireless (hostap)
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20:27.22gameduckhi
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20:27.43maestroribnitz: ok thanks for the help
20:27.46ribnitzhello gameduck
20:27.53juanthe bot in /msg is retarded
20:28.06xamgreycat: well, since my c240 is no longer functional, I could sell the processor/mainboard and the 1.5GB ram ....
20:28.11gameducki'm using apt-get install php4. how come it doesn't prompt me for a list of modules to be installed? anyone know how to do this?
20:28.13juankeeps asking me if I smoke crack
20:28.15ribnitzjuan: Its free, you are open to improve it :)
20:28.15greycatjuan: he's equally dumb in public
20:28.36maxb_juan -- how about P?
20:28.44suidikgameduck: apt-cache search php4 | more
20:28.45juanp?
20:28.47ohaweethanks for the help
20:28.55Puggsjuan: use listkeys to search for words the bot accepts
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20:29.08suidikgameduck: apt-get install php4-x
20:29.09gameducksuidik yes. i see like mod-php4 and like other php4-perl stuff like that
20:29.09juanwill #adduser add a emil recipient?
20:29.13gameduckdo i have to install each one??
20:29.16maxb_juan -- big here in NZ, i think americans call it ice
20:29.18maestroribnitz: for netbeans i need jdk 1.4.1 or above. is there no package for jdk under debian official too..
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20:29.20greycatjuan: all Unix users are able to receive mail by default.
20:29.23greycatjuan: /msg dpkg mail tutorial
20:29.26gameducksuidik yes i see it so i have to install each one?
20:29.40gameducksuidik one by one??
20:29.43suidikgameduck: yeah
20:29.43ribnitzmaestro: there's Blackdowns JDK (1.3.1, 1.4.1)
20:29.47gameduckhumm...
20:29.48juanbut I only have 1 root account
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20:30.00greycatjuan: and...?
20:30.03juanI know its dumb, but that box is for server only
20:30.04suidikgameduck: apt-get install php4-x php4-x2 .....
20:30.04gameducksay i installl php4-perl then i install php4-something else. doesn't it remove the php4-perl?
20:30.12gameduckoh i see
20:30.13maxb_maestro -- what was wrong with the jdk source i gave you?
20:30.15gameduckyou mean do it like that :)
20:30.20gameduckwith a space
20:30.28gameduckthx!!!!
20:30.37maestromaxb_: that was only j2re is that the same
20:30.45suidikgameduck: apt-cache depends php4-x
20:30.46gameducksame with apache right? i can install libapache-modules libapache-modulesx ....
20:30.46juanso #adduser will do?
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20:31.07Justin!+info php4-perl
20:31.09dpkgPackage 'php4-perl' does not exist.
20:31.17maxb_maestro -- no j2re is only the runtime, but from that same source apt-get install j2sdk1.4
20:31.18gameduckthat was an example :)
20:31.21juangreycat: will #adduser just add a email recipient to my box?
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20:31.34maestromaxb_: ahh ok, i have installled only j2re
20:31.46ribnitzmaestro: you will need the sdk.
20:31.54ribnitzmaestro: for netbeans.
20:32.04greycatjuan: no, it will do much more than that.
20:32.08gameduckthx!!!!!
20:32.14greycatjuan: it adds a *user*, who just happens to be able to get mail.
20:32.21juangreycat: cool
20:32.25juanexactly what I need
20:32.32maxb_maestro -- yes that is all thats required for applets etc, but if you want to develop, you need to install sdk
20:32.34juanoff I go, tx
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20:32.56ElCucowhy doesnt apt-get work?
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20:33.16maestromaxb_: sdk stands for sun development kit ???
20:33.34maxb_maestro -- software ...
20:33.38simonrvnElCuco: because you're using knoppix?
20:33.45ElCucoI am
20:33.48mdalyif i have a script and run it in the background, if i close my terminal will all those processes be killed. someone told me no, but i said only if nohup was used... which is true
20:33.51maestromaxb_: ok.
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20:34.06maestroribnitz: yes i am installing sdk...
20:34.11gameducki'm installing php4, but i don't see bcmatch or bz2 or calendar in my php4_x???
20:34.16simonrvnthat was a rhetorical question
20:34.28xenohugsErg, what just happened here when I upgraded from 2.4.23 to 2.4.26 kernel?  ->  Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hda'
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20:34.52ElCucook so that command dont work with Knoppix?
20:35.17gameducksomeone help me
20:35.17simonrvnask in #knoppix
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20:35.18greycatmdaly: help disown
20:35.24greycatmdaly: man screen
20:35.32ribnitzElCuco: the idea of knoppix is to have a 'run off the cd' distribution. It isnt built for extendibility or upgrades
20:35.52juanproblem solved, thanx guys....
20:35.56ElCucoI see
20:36.03simonrvnribnitz: you can do a 'hd' install, but he should still go to #knoppix for that
20:36.06suidikgameduck: those modules are built-in.. see phpinfo();
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20:36.31ribnitzsimonrvn: It will only run off the hd, but the philiosophy behind doesn't change.
20:36.35simonrvnElCuco: we're not really equipped to deal with that here, as knoppix isn't debian, and they do things differently
20:36.42simonrvnribnitz: of course not
20:37.07ElCucoI see
20:37.15Caylanwasnt someone in here earlier talking about how he "didnt want to pay for a ximian connector to exchange" ? ... Slashdot: Novell To Release Ximian Connector Under GPL
20:37.26Caylan...strange
20:38.03maxb_meanwhile... Linus ladles out another bowl of reindeer stew for Bill, the chunks of reindeer meat look suspiciously like the pile of drying reindeer shit by the fire
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20:38.57ribnitzCaylan: IMO Novell's dead.
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20:39.32Caylanif your going to talk about being dead, you have to mention the obligatory Sun :)
20:39.44ribnitzCaylan: yep, them too.
20:39.58greycatCaylan: YM "BSD is dying!"
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20:40.17greycatCaylan: optionally followed by "you insensitive clod"
20:40.37Caylanteehee
20:41.37simonrvnyou insensitive clod of dirt
20:41.42streunerSometimes i get a connection to my bank-account, sometimes doesn't, what could that be, the connection is fine (bank)?
20:41.53streunerusing unstable
20:41.58dan2how do you do perdition imaps -> localhost standard imap
20:42.02streunermozilla
20:42.12ribnitzstreuner: cabling?
20:42.15streunerno
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20:43.06ribnitzstreuner: I have a router here that has an 'intermittent' cabling issue
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20:43.08streunerwhat packages are involved besides mozilla itself, i checked out the depends...
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20:43.24nackystupid question for any Gnome experts.. is there a way to make the icons on the desktop smaller, save for changing the screen resolution? also is there a way to configure the "Applictaions" menu -- this is the Debian setup of this..
20:43.24streunerribnitz: forget it
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20:43.46silasbahamat: mozilla-1.5 will pull it's defaults from /etc/mailcap.  If the user doesn't check "Always ask me..." it becomes their default once they click OK.
20:43.46streunerribnitz: nah, that's certainly not the problem
20:43.50tarzeauwhat's the politics channel again? something with worldrelations?
20:43.54maxb_nacky -- which gnome version?
20:43.58nacky2.4
20:44.00streunerribnitz: with links i got a connection...
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20:44.19bahamatsilas: rad, thanks
20:44.24nackynot usually a gnome user... Windowmaker user, usually.. just gotta use it on my work machine unfortunately :(\
20:44.26ribnitzstreuner: my links doesn't do ssl..
20:44.26streunertarzeau: /list would tell you
20:44.32FarrisGSo, I'm sure I've already missed at least some discussion of this, but did anybody get ximian-connector compiled on debian yet?
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20:44.33silasbahamat: no problem
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20:44.35streunerribnitz: links-ssl
20:44.38tarzeaustreuner: found it already, #world-relations
20:44.49streuner!info links-ssl
20:44.50palomerhow do I see what files were installed by a package?
20:44.51dpkglinks-ssl: (Character mode WWW browser with SSL), section non-US, is extra. Version: 0.98-2 (sid), Packaged size: 365 kB, Installed size: 972 kB
20:44.56maxb_nacky -- if you right click on an icon, the option stretch icon, i think can be used to make it smaller\
20:44.57silaspalomer: dpkg -L
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20:45.11ribnitzstreuner: darn, I got sarge.
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20:45.29silaspalomer: the dpkg man page will also save you some more embarassment asking questions that should be answered with RTFM.  =)
20:45.33maxb_nacky -- yes just tested it, definately can
20:45.39nackynever noticed that... that's handy
20:45.53maxb_no probs
20:46.07nackythanks! I found it before but.. where do you change the text size labels under those icons? mine are bold.. i can't find it for the life of me!
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20:46.45bonoQuestion: Im having trouble using my Manhattan usb2rs232 adapter... Anyone has one of those? (and yes, ive googled)
20:46.57maxb_applications --> desktop preferences --> font
20:47.15nackythanks again.. thats perfect. much appreciated!
20:47.18silasbono: usb -> rs232 is notoriously buggy.  Only the keyspan's have worked for me.
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20:47.57bonosilas: thanks for the information...
20:48.17nackymaxb_, thanks!
20:48.28maxb_no probs
20:48.55maxb_nacky -- you using sid?
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20:49.38bonosilas: on my host machine on whih the adapter is located, i minicom to my target machine through a null modem... caracters appear on the target as non-ascii caracters... both have their port (/dev/ttyUSB0 and /dev/ttyS0) configured the same way... Any idea?
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20:50.02silasbono: yeah, you'r baud rate is wrong on one of the ends.
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20:50.17silasbono: Make sure they're both set to 57600 8N1 or something.
20:50.24silasbono: And turn off all flow control
20:50.27bonosilas: as i said... minicom has it configured the same way on both ends... :-( (38400/8N1)
20:50.38sapanyone know how to get the case off an effing IBM PC (300GL)?
20:50.46medgnoyes
20:50.48silasbono: Hrm, no idea then.  Try checking the flow.
20:50.49medgnoi work with those
20:50.56medgnoand i fscking hate thing
20:50.58maxb_sap -- hammer and chisel
20:51.00medgno*them
20:51.13medgnocheck the back of it, right by where all the ports are.
20:51.16sapmaxb_: yeah, i'm close to doing that!
20:51.18medgnonear the top, there is a screw
20:51.18bominanyone here use kivio a lot?  I'm trying to find out how to get kivio to save my arrowhead preferences.  Everytime I draw a line, I have to define that it should begin without an arrow, and end with an arrowhead.
20:51.20maxb_hehe
20:51.40sapmedgno: ok ....lets have a look then
20:52.03silas~tell bomin about ask
20:52.10suidikanybody has any init.d scipts or solution to run vtun as server and client on one debian machine ?
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20:52.23medgnois this a 300gl that has a loud clicky power button, or a soft one?
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20:52.50bominsilas: which one did I violate?
20:52.56silasHrm, the ask factoid got changed on me.  Nothing in there about "Don't ask if anyone uses X..."
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20:53.16sapmedgno: softish, yes
20:53.18silasbomin: There used to be something in the factoid about asking if anyone uses application X
20:53.26Justinsilas: that is polls
20:53.48sapmedgno: i have 4 screws on the back ... around the power fan
20:53.53silasbomin: That's a pretty specific question, you're probably not going to get much help here on something so application-specific.  Espically since it really doesn't have anything to do with debian, other than the fact that you're running debian.
20:53.54medgnosap: no others?
20:54.01silasJustin: thanks
20:54.02maxb_ooh ooh polls, anyone here using gnome 2.6 from experimental?
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20:54.13medgnomaxb_: used to, didn't work too well
20:54.15suidikMaxb_: yeah
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20:54.27maxb_fuckin rules
20:54.34silasI'm on gnome 2.8 alpha here.
20:54.41sapmedgno: nope
20:54.45maxb_spacial things a bit weird though
20:54.47suidikmaxb_: without any problems..
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20:55.16medgnosap: wait.. is this the tower 300gl?
20:55.34sapmedgno: i have a two flaps on the top the lift up ... i expected the case to slide but it's solid
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20:55.45sapno, it looks like this http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005QYZX/ref=ase_onthewebcom-20/104-1516617-9959153?v=glance&s=pc
20:55.55maxb_cool though, my flatmate whos still in mac os 8. something wants to use gnome now
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20:56.40maxb_silas - you jokin about 2.8?
20:56.42maestromaxb_: i wanted to install netbeans and its want jvm where can i found that.........
20:57.04maxb_maestro -- dunno man, sorry
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20:57.16medgnosap: try lifting up the flap type things on the side, and then pulling it toward the side with the floppy and somewhat up
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20:57.18maestromaxb_: ok
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20:57.43dan|eldoes anyone know autoconf or automake and those things?
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20:58.02maxb_dan|el -- someone does
20:58.14jvwdan|el: there is a lot to know about it -- nobody knows all
20:58.45h2kare sid's kde .deb's optimised? for i586 for example?
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20:59.07maxb_h2k -- no, iirc
20:59.28h2kno if i compiled them myself, i could get it running faster ...
20:59.33h2kso*
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20:59.49maxb_h2k -- yeah, so much faster
20:59.55sapmedgno: hey, i think i've done it ... the case slides forward not back
21:00.00medgnoyeah
21:00.08sapmedgno: thank you
21:00.10jvwh2k: see the debain/rules of kdelibs... it has instructions how to do it
21:00.12medgnosap: and sometimes they get stuck and need a bit of a bang
21:00.19h2kwhere?
21:00.19medgnosap: no problem!
21:00.22h2ka
21:00.24h2kok
21:01.00jvwh2k: also be aware that usually that flags' effect is 90% placebo, if not more
21:01.01AndyPSdoes anybody know if i can connect using 2 DSL connections & provide internet to several machines / what to use to admin both connections ? thx !.
21:01.34h2k"placebo" means what?
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21:01.47maxb_h2k -- sugar pills
21:01.54h2khehe
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21:02.03jvwh2k: apt-get source kdelibs, cd  kdelibs-<version>, vi debian/rules, dpkg-buildpackage -b, and install the generated .debs
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21:02.08medgnoh2k: used in testing medicine to see how much of the improvement is just psychological
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21:02.50maxb_h2k -- you should try gentoo, if compilation and optimisation floats your boat
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21:03.04h2kyeah, and takes lots of time for me :S
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21:04.32maxb_AndyPS -- yes what you suggest is possible, but beyond the scope of someone explaining it here i think
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21:09.09SoyrunnerDo we Debian users prefer a particular DNS registrar?
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21:09.39maxb_whats pureedelinux?
21:09.48nksena fake
21:09.49simonrvnSoyrunner: no. use one you like. it's not stalinist russia
21:09.51_jon_puree de linux
21:10.06maxb_sounds good
21:10.07Soyrunnerwho do we like?
21:10.34maxb_i like sexy girls
21:10.40phoggSoyrunner: We like Ike.
21:10.50jbrwe like the moon
21:11.25maxb_moons no good, the moonites come from there
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21:11.28SoyrunnerI like running 8 miles with my 3 dogs but right now I want to register a domain name
21:12.01sussudio!tell dogayonv about away
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21:12.25HopmanHello, can anyone here help me with locales on debian ?
21:12.28maxb_can someone tell me something
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21:12.51Justinmaxb_: something
21:13.01xtapoWhere does mozilla keep my bookmarks.html file?
21:13.03maxb_cheers bro
21:13.17nkuttler!tell Hopman about ask
21:13.41medgno/home/[username]/.mozilla/[username]/[random characters]/bookmarks.html
21:13.51nkuttlerxtapo: try ~/mozilla, man find
21:13.51medgno[username] is most often 'default'
21:14.00medgnothat works too
21:14.01Justin~/.mozilla/*/*/bookmarks.html
21:14.13OvrLrd-QGot a strange problem: when i type 'w' to show who's logged in, it says 3 users, but it only lists one. If I type 'who' it shows root being connected on pts/(0,1,2). If I grep the process list for pts it only shows pts/2 which is what I'm connected on now. Any ideas?
21:14.29Hopmannkuttler, thanks
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21:15.24medgnois anyone else here running unstable, and finding that new version of apt doesn't like any of the frontend programs?
21:15.27h2kwhat do i do with debian/rules (trying to optimise kde for my pc)
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21:15.37telecz_kernel 2.6.6 seems to break nvidia. Anynone knows what to do?
21:15.47nkuttlertelecz_: use 2.6.5?
21:15.47medgnotelecz_: install 2.6.5?
21:15.48h2kuse 2.6.5
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21:16.35telecz_yeah, i have 2.6.5 working. just wanted to give 2.6.6 a try
21:16.42OvrLrd-Qphantom users . . anybody?
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21:16.56HopmanI'm making a morphix main modules. The main module is basically a debootstrap sarge. In it I call X and then a perl programm. All locales are set to de (german) but the keyboard in X is still a en-us keyboard.
21:17.00medgnotelecz_:  you'll need to reinstall the drivers for each new kernel you use them with
21:17.10maxb_OvrLrd-Q -- i think it only lists users doing stuff
21:17.42nkuttlerHopman: #morphix
21:17.46telecz_medgno: i did build new nvidia-kernel module. it's still not working
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21:18.05OvrLrd-Qmaxb_: how do I kill off the other connections then?
21:18.06maxb_whats morphix? like knoppix?
21:18.12Hopmannkuttler, I seem to have missed that channel, sorry.
21:18.15nkuttlermaxb_: modular knoppix
21:18.25medgnotelecz_: i always shut down x, log in as root, and then run the installer that nvidia makes
21:18.29maxb_OvrLrd-Q -- dunno bro, i was just guessing
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21:19.32OvrLrd-Qthey're all ssh connections that've died, so when I logged in, I kill -9'd the proc's
21:19.38telecz_medgno: i prefer the debian way. I'll try the nvidia installer though
21:19.51medgnotelecz_: i didn't know there was a debian way.
21:20.04syncuredhow do i set up the mouse speed at X?
21:20.18jbrOvrLrd-Q: restart sshd?
21:20.24nkuttlersyncured: xset
21:20.24telecz_medgno: you can build the nvidia kernel with the kernel it self
21:20.30OvrLrd-Qjbr: did that
21:20.35maxb_auomized?
21:20.50telecz_medgno: that works until 2.6.5
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21:21.12medgnotelecz_: it worked in 2.6.5 for me.. did you mean until 2.6.6?
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21:21.45teleczmedgno: 2.6.5 works for me too. 2.6.6 didn't
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21:21.46jbrOvrLrd-Q: do the processes show up in "ps -u root"?
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21:22.04medgnotelecz: okay, sorry. i misunderstood
21:22.23tritiummedgno: nvidia-kernel-source .debs work fine with kernel 2.6.5
21:22.26teleczmedgno: sorry, it's my bad english
21:22.28OvrLrd-Qjbr: no, just shows current pts session.
21:22.57medgnotelecz: no. your english is quite nice actually. i'm just a bit tired today :(
21:23.15teleczmedgno: thanks ;)
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21:23.27OvrLrd-Qjbr: it's running 2.6.6 if that matters
21:23.38syncurednkuttler: and.. where do the settings be saved?
21:23.38pbmOvrLrd-Q - Sometimes I find that wtmp comes out of sync with logins so who gives "ghost" logins
21:23.41jbrOvrLrd-Q: some sort of /varlog/*tmp mixup maybe
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21:24.08syncurednkuttler: or do I need to add a XF86Config-4
21:24.11nkuttlersyncured: ~/.xsession?
21:24.16syncuredok
21:24.22OvrLrd-Qonly option I changed was the 8K to 4K kernel stacks
21:25.01OvrLrd-Qpbm|jbr: just reboot the box then?
21:25.14medgnodoes anyone know how to run an 'experimental' system with the newest apt and synaptic?
21:25.21syncurednkuttler: add the line xset m 5 ?
21:25.25jbrOvrLrd-Q: even that might not help
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21:25.36OvrLrd-Qjbr :-/
21:25.37nkuttlersyncured: if it does what you want
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21:25.48jbrOvrLrd-Q: it's a problem parsing the records of logins/exits, not a real login
21:25.49tritiummedgno, apt in experimental is kind of hosed
21:26.15medgnotritium: okay, thanks. i couldn't tell if it was just my machine
21:26.25tritiummedgno, no, not just you
21:26.25jbrOvrLrd-Q: so maybe it'll just go away when wtmp's rotated...
21:26.29syncurednkuttler: ok thanks
21:26.57pbmOvrLrd-Q - as jbr says...rotate wtmp
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21:27.44tritiummedgno, for example, it provides the virtual package libapt-pkg-libc6.3-5-3.5, yet it doesn't know that it does
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21:28.17medgnoyeesh, sounds like a problem..
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21:29.04ribnitzheyas, ppl. What od I need to put into the kernel so that I can be sure that cdroms will always be accessed using ide-scsi?
21:29.15OvrLrd-Q<PROTECTED>
21:29.17OvrLrd-Qwhoaps
21:29.19OvrLrd-Qignore that lol
21:29.22tritiummedgno, why did you try using experimental apt?
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21:29.52xorhippie, i need to parse a logfile, and remove all redundant lines (all lines which exists more than one time in the logfile) any ideas ?
21:29.53xor<unixjihad> looks like X sees you pre
21:30.11ribnitzxor: uniq, together with a sort
21:30.17gukWhere is the kernel source located when you apt-get the kernel source thingy
21:30.23jbrxor: "sort -u"
21:30.25TheAspxor: man uniq
21:30.27nkuttlerguk: /usr/src/
21:30.31gukexcellent
21:30.33nkuttlerguk: dpkg -L package
21:30.33xorribnitz: thanks i'll have a look on the manpage
21:30.41ribnitzxor: cat logfile | sort |uniq >logfile2
21:30.45medgnotritium: i added experimental to my sources.list to try out gnome2.6 again, and thought "why not just dist-upgrade?"
21:30.46TheAspuh
21:30.57TheAspsorting it causes lines to be moved around
21:30.58tritiummedgno, that was my guess
21:31.03TheAspuniq just gets rid of the dupes in a row
21:31.05TheAsptake your pick
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21:31.14Rev_Jamesribnitz: you know how to do it in lilo/grub/wutever you use?
21:31.18medgnotritium: is it a better idea to just install the few packages you need from experimental?
21:31.26TheAspRev_James: hdc=cdrom
21:31.28TheAsperr
21:31.28dan|elwell, my question is this: I have some antlr stuff I need to run to generate some headerfiles for my c++ things. How woudl I go about writing the automake/autoconf to do that? Do I have to make my own macro for the antlr parser?
21:31.30TheAspide-scsi
21:31.31tritiummedgno, yes, that's what I did
21:31.35TheAspRev_James: hdc=ide-scsi
21:31.50TheAspRev_James: where hdc is your cdrom drive
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21:31.55xoruh, damn. i just see, the logfile has a timestamp in it, which is on every line different ...
21:31.57medgnotritium: spiffy, i'll give that a shot
21:31.59tritiummedgno, don't forget the repository on alioth as well
21:32.00Rev_JamesTheAsp: I know how... I was looking to see how much I needed to tell ribnitz
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21:32.09TheAspoh
21:32.10Rev_JamesTheAsp: thanks anyways though :)
21:32.10TheAsp:P
21:32.14ribnitzRev_James: since I upgraded my kernel from 2.4.25 to 2.4.26 the ide-scsi no longer seems to be working
21:32.14TheAspnp :P
21:32.26alexanderIs there any web-cam programs for linux?
21:32.33Rev_Jamesalexander: lots
21:32.36TheAspribnitz: you could switch to 2.6 and forget the whole thing ever happened :)
21:32.37medgnotritium: i've not heard of that repository. what does it have?
21:32.45alexanderRev_James: know any names?
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21:32.57Rev_Jamesalexander: one sec...
21:33.00tritiummedgno, you should refer to this: http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/
21:33.08dan|elanyone on this automake stuff?
21:33.11alexanderRev_James =)
21:33.20AnthroSo Novell is releasing Evolution Connector as open source. Assuming it's actually a Free license (GPL or LGPL, I hope), are all sorts of mail readers going to start supporting MAPI?
21:33.25TheAspany bets on when the evolution connector is going to get packaged?
21:33.34Rev_Jamesribnitz: I don't remember where all the stuff is in 2.4.x anymore... make sure u have scsi-emulation and generic
21:33.37idnarhtimAnthro: I thought it was GPL
21:33.40nkuttleralexander: apt-cache search h323 probably
21:34.00Rev_Jamesalexander: qcam is one
21:34.10alexanderRev_James: k.. thanks =)
21:34.16TheAspidnarhtim: it is, the source is on my box at work, but evolution-dev is uninstallable without screwing up some *-dev's that i need
21:34.21rdancerdespite the #debian != #knoppix.. is there a way to make kernel not hang with ``Looking for CDROM in: /dev/scd0'' as the last message? like making the kernel forget about /dev/scd0 or any scsi device whatsoever?
21:34.23Anthroidnarhtim: Is it? Damn, I read the LinuxToday article but not the actual press release. The article just says open source.
21:34.25Rev_Jamesalexander: camorama
21:34.27OvrLrd-Qjbr|pbm: do I just run 'logrotate' with the -f switch?
21:34.31caphusoAnthro: doubtful
21:34.41dan|eljvw: ?
21:34.46Rev_Jamesalexander: gqcam <- i've used that one
21:34.56Anthroidnarhtim: Oh, crap, I'm an idiot. It does say GPL.
21:34.57alexanderRev_James: is it good?
21:35.23Anthrocaphuso: Why is that? Just because it's a Microsoft protocol?
21:35.41Rev_Jamesalexander: Well... my webcam doesn't seem to work the best... wasn
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21:35.49TheAspAnthro: its kinda useless for a non-evolution/outlook like app
21:35.49alexanderRev_James: hm, oki
21:35.52Rev_Jamesalexander: wasn't supported in kernel
21:35.59TheAspAnthro: imap works just fine for mail, even off of exchange
21:36.16tritiumthe source comes with the GPL license
21:36.20caphusoAnthro: take mutt, for example. it doesn't even speak SMTP. do you really think it's going to get mapi support?
21:36.25Rev_Jamesalexander: but i found drivers... so the program seemed to work, but the cam didn't work the greatest
21:36.27TheAspAnthro: anyway, it uses the web interface...
21:36.46TheAspprobably using soap
21:36.48AnthroTheAsp: I disagree. Just being able to get my mail via MAPI as if it were IMAP is valuable. I don't have control over the Exchange server at work, after all, and I can't tell them to turn on IMAP support.
21:36.49alexanderRev_James: Oki, but thanks anyway =)
21:37.01TheAspAnthro: i dont think it does mapi
21:37.06Anthrocaphuso: It does speak IMAP, though.
21:37.14jvwdan|el: yes?
21:37.26TheAspunless thats what the web interface for exchange is called
21:37.30AnthroTheAsp: Eh? I thought the whole point of Connector was MAPI. It scrapes the web interface?
21:37.53jvwdan|el: if you don't include my name, I won't notice -- I have a fair bit of highlighting on various subjects, but don't follow everything that is said here...
21:37.54tritiumsee ximian-connector-1.4.7/COPYING
21:37.56TheAspAnthro: i could be wrong, but i didnt think the web interface was mapi :P
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21:38.23AnthroTheAsp: No, it isn't. MAPI is a Microsoft wire protocol.
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21:38.49TheAspAnthro: then what you talkin bout?  :)
21:38.51jvwdan|el: I don't know antlr, did you try the autobook yet?
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21:39.18Rev_JamesI know this is way off topic :), but does anyone have a Cisco Aironet 350, and can use iwspy?
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21:39.22jbrOvrLrd-Q: logrotate -f (without specifying a custom cfg) will force-rotate _every_ logfile... I suppose that won't hurt...
21:39.22TheAspAnthro: ohh, reread what you said.  yes it scrapes the web interface (or uses soap, i havent looked at it)
21:39.26AnthroTheAsp: I was under the impression that Evolution Connector used MAPI. I didn't know tthat it scrapes the Exchange web interface.
21:39.43tritiumIt uses soap
21:39.44madduckdid anyone here ever succeed with v4l2?
21:39.59TheAspmadduck: yeah
21:40.06Rev_Jamesmadduck: yeah
21:40.14TheAspit's pretty much the same
21:40.22madduckTheAsp, Rev_James: ever tried the test apps from http://www.thedirks.org/pub/v4l2/apps/
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21:40.33madducki can't even get them to compile....
21:40.36OvrLrd-Qjbr: ok that seemed to work after a reboot
21:40.37TheAspmadduck: nah, myth is enough of a test for me :P
21:40.47Rev_Jamesmadduck: nope... I just watch TV, it works, so no need to test :)
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21:40.55OvrLrd-Qjbr|pbm: thanks :D
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21:41.53madduckso anyone ever succeed with the v4l2 API?
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21:42.00TheAsprdancer: you've mentioned
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21:42.10sussudio!tell madduck about repeating
21:42.15sussudio!tell madduck about polls
21:42.30gameduckanyone know if maxdb is better then mysql? because a customer wanted that. what do you guys think? he says maxdb got better indexing and also its support stored procedure? what do you guys think? will mysql 4.0 be better?
21:42.30madducksussudio: come on. i asked a different question.
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21:42.49TheAspgameduck: postgres is better then mysql
21:42.50TheAsp:P
21:42.59peterSgameduck: any RDBMS is better than mysql, if you need an RDBMS
21:43.09suidikgameduck: try postgresql
21:43.16gameduckso i should use postgresql?
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21:43.22peterSgameduck: if you need, in someone's words, "an SQL interface to a filesystem", mysql is probably fine
21:43.24TheAspive never even heard of maxdb
21:43.34faxohow do i install mysql headers & related files ?
21:43.35suidikgameduck: yeah, postgresql !
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21:43.39peterSgameduck: postgresql is what most of us would recommend, yeah
21:43.40TheAsp(mysql corrupted a table on me the other day)
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21:43.45gameduckthx!!
21:44.00gameduckdoes postgresql do indexing and others?
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21:44.06peterSgameduck: sure
21:44.07gameduckwhat is good about postgresql?
21:44.12TheAspgameduck: mysql does indexing too...
21:44.19gameduckhow would i tel my customer..
21:44.23gameduckor should he stay with mysql
21:44.33maxb_gameduck -- i hope its not a paying customer
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21:44.42TheAspgameduck: if you don't know . . .
21:44.44peterSgameduck: it's an industrial strength database system.  a lot more mature, in that space, than mysql, which only just recently started to support some of the baseline serious features
21:44.48faxohow do i install mysql ?
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21:44.50Slatehey, in debian, where are the linux kernel headers found?
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21:44.53faxoor postgresql
21:44.55Anthrogameduck: If it's a commercial venture, mysql has some interesting licensing issues. Postgresql does not.
21:44.57suidikgameduck: http://openacs.org/philosophy/why-not-mysql.html
21:44.59nkuttlerfaxo: apt-cache search foo
21:45.00faxoi need mysql headers
21:45.03TheAspSlate: kernel-headers-`uname -r`
21:45.09faxonkuttler: lets try
21:45.10Websterhey
21:45.11Webster:
21:45.12gameduckthx for the feedback
21:45.14Webster:D
21:45.16gameducki really appreicate this
21:45.19Websterwhat`s up?
21:45.21Webster:p
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21:46.32faxowhich name has mysql package ?
21:46.51nkuttlerfaxo: apt-cache search foo
21:46.55caphusofaxo: apt-cache --names-only search mysql