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| 00:00.34 | tell | what do i want to install? |
| 00:01.09 | ElectricElf | Nebukadneza: Yeah, that was irritating. |
| 00:01.10 | tell | to decrease the boredomlevel |
| 00:01.23 | gallarius | someone know if maple runs well on lnx? |
| 00:02.39 | tell | !boring |
| 00:02.39 | dpkg | yes, you are tell |
| 00:02.41 | LoRez | ElectricElf: I klined the bot as it was in 13 channels doing the same damn thing |
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| 00:03.14 | FieldySnuts | lame |
| 00:03.15 | ElectricElf | LoRez: Yeah, was thinking about mentioning it in #freenode, but you got here first. |
| 00:03.31 | brer-away | how can i look for newer kernel, is it apt-cashe search kernel? or is something more specific? |
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| 00:04.05 | macca | would be apt-get install kernel |
| 00:04.05 | brer-away | like i dont want to see every darn kernel, just the regular kernels available for this desktop (non smp, non 64) etc |
| 00:04.22 | brer-away | E: Couldn't find package kernel |
| 00:04.23 | tell | !fuck FieldySnuts |
| 00:04.35 | macca | then it doesn't :) |
| 00:04.39 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 00:04.47 | tell | :-) |
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| 00:04.55 | markybob | brer-away, just search for what you want. like kernel-image-2.6.6-1-686 |
| 00:05.12 | brer-away | thats my point, i dunno what the newer debian available kernels are |
| 00:05.13 | debian_newbie | running unstable with 2.6.2 - gpm doesnt seem to work though it detects ps2 mouse |
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| 00:05.36 | markybob | brer-away, up to 2.6.6, which is the latest kernel |
| 00:05.40 | Zap-W | argonel, yea, i just ran asciiview and it shows it with no colours , how do i fix it |
| 00:05.58 | brer-away | Titanomak-Deb:/home/briareus# apt-cache search kernel-2.6.6 |
| 00:05.58 | brer-away | Titanomak-Deb:/home/briareus# |
| 00:06.03 | brer-away | see i get nothin |
| 00:06.05 | markybob | brer-away, it's kernel-image |
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| 00:06.26 | sussudio | tell: mujina masshuru-mu sune-ku |
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| 00:07.10 | tell | rokervpokorvokarvvporvrpok |
| 00:07.12 | brer-away | wqill apt-get install of a kernel run lilo as well? |
| 00:07.59 | Justin | !test |
| 00:08.00 | dpkg | Yes, justin, you're still online. |
| 00:08.00 | debian_newbie | hello |
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| 00:08.18 | debian_newbie | does anyone have problems with 2.6/unstable and gpm? |
| 00:08.22 | debian_newbie | is there a replacement for gpm? |
| 00:08.47 | sussudio | !topicbadger debian_newbie |
| 00:08.47 | dpkg | /topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*READ IT*READ IT*/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*a shaaame it's a shaaame that debian_newbie didn't read the*/topic/topic/topic/topic... |
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| 00:09.57 | debian_newbie | err sussudio - why topicbadger? read the topic. did i miss something? |
| 00:10.10 | daki | does anyone know how to get an older version of a program with apt-get |
| 00:10.20 | sussudio | debian_newbie: well, yes, you did. why are you using unstable when you don't read the bts? |
| 00:10.37 | sussudio | !tell daki about snapshot |
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| 00:11.42 | Blackmad | hey all -- when I try to run ogle, I get: *ctrl: msgget ipc_creat failed: No space left on device |
| 00:11.55 | Blackmad | df reports that /dev/shm is 100% full ... how do I fix this? |
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| 00:14.45 | borius | my brain is fried, whats the cmd to make a tarball from a dir |
| 00:14.46 | Justin | Blackmad: how much does ipcs print out? |
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| 00:15.02 | argonel | Zap-W: i think you may have to colour by hand |
| 00:15.04 | Justin | borius: google.com/search?q=tar+directory ? |
| 00:15.10 | daki | sussudio: Thanks for that link, it's just what I was looking for :) |
| 00:15.14 | borius | urrghh |
| 00:15.26 | Blackmad | Justin: quite a lot ... don't see a total anywhere |
| 00:15.33 | Justin | or equally, http://www.google.com/search?q=how+do+I+make+backups+with+tar |
| 00:15.44 | Justin | Blackmad: about how many lines? 10? 50? 100? |
| 00:15.52 | Blackmad | ~70 |
| 00:16.04 | Justin | ah, that would probably explain why it is ful |
| 00:16.30 | Zap-W | argonel, i see |
| 00:16.41 | Justin | you can use ipcrm to delete them, don't know if you can delete files from /dev/shm directly |
| 00:16.57 | Blackmad | can I find out what proc created them? |
| 00:17.18 | Justin | don't think so |
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| 00:17.29 | Justin | running strings on the files in /dev/shm might tell you, if it lets you do that |
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| 00:18.03 | Blackmad | nope |
| 00:18.09 | Blackmad | no files there that I can see |
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| 00:22.05 | argonel | Zap-W: there may be a thing called ppmtoansi, i just can't track it down |
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| 00:24.13 | argonel | are discover or modutils supposed to run on boot from /etc/rc?.d? |
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| 00:24.33 | LSorensen | argonel: They tend to |
| 00:24.46 | LSorensen | argonel: discover and hotplug often do on testing/unstable at least |
| 00:25.51 | argonel | LSorensen: well, i noticed after a kernel upgrade that discover isn't called anymore, and there is no link in any of the rc?.d dirs, but there is a script in /etc/init.d |
| 00:26.05 | argonel | but i can't figure out where the links went |
| 00:26.21 | LSorensen | argonel: hmm, arg: /etc/rcS.d/S36discover |
| 00:26.25 | zamolxes | any ideea why bash replaces ' with ` in a script? |
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| 00:26.33 | argonel | LSorensen: how about modutils? |
| 00:26.36 | ricochet | Is there a linux util for undeleting files on a fat32 partition? I rm -rf'd it. |
| 00:26.40 | LSorensen | zamolxes: they mean two very different things |
| 00:26.54 | versuchsanstalt | How can I make wget ignore robots.txt? |
| 00:26.54 | zamolxes | LSorensen, i know what they mean. why does bash replaces them? |
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| 00:27.12 | [shock] | hm |
| 00:27.15 | [shock] | someone |
| 00:27.16 | LSorensen | ricochet: maybe, maybe not, and in any case you probably would have to know the first character of every filename yourself |
| 00:27.20 | [shock] | could help me? |
| 00:27.25 | [shock] | i have a pc |
| 00:27.31 | [shock] | structured in that way |
| 00:27.32 | `DamN` | I have too |
| 00:27.33 | naim | ricochet, intersting ... tell me if u find any |
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| 00:27.45 | [shock] | C: FAT32 win98 |
| 00:27.53 | [shock] | D: NTFS winxp |
| 00:27.58 | LSorensen | zamolxes: 'blah' is for making a string (with no variable substitution), "" is for the same, but with $var substitution, and `` is to run a command line and return the output as a string |
| 00:28.02 | [shock] | E: FAT32 archive |
| 00:28.02 | Shay | [shock]; try to write in one line |
| 00:28.09 | [shock] | i want to install |
| 00:28.15 | [shock] | in partition 1 |
| 00:28.20 | [shock] | debian linux |
| 00:28.24 | LSorensen | [shock]: where win98 is? |
| 00:28.25 | [shock] | how could i do? |
| 00:28.27 | naim | !fuck [shock] |
| 00:28.30 | [shock] | in first |
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| 00:28.40 | naim | !beat [shock] |
| 00:28.42 | LSorensen | [shock]: that's unfortunately where the windows boot loader is. |
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| 00:28.55 | ricochet | LSorensen, yeah, well I used to do that everyonce in awhile in 'doze.. that would be ok, if I could just restore a few directories |
| 00:28.57 | LSorensen | [shock]: if you touch C: you loose access to all windows |
| 00:29.01 | [shock] | yes |
| 00:29.03 | [shock] | i know |
| 00:29.09 | [shock] | there isn't any way |
| 00:29.11 | [shock] | to do |
| 00:29.18 | [shock] | the format of c:? |
| 00:29.23 | LSorensen | [shock]: well you could backup, and reinstall winxp to a new c: and then install debian afterwards in another partition |
| 00:29.33 | [shock] | ;_; |
| 00:29.33 | Shay | [shock]; what part of "try to write in one line" you didn't understand? |
| 00:29.36 | LSorensen | [shock]: sure you can format it, but you WILL loose the ability to boot XP |
| 00:29.36 | [shock] | i can't |
| 00:29.48 | [shock] | i can't loose this ability |
| 00:29.58 | [shock] | there isn't any other way? |
| 00:29.59 | LSorensen | [shock]: well windows always boots from c: and that can't be changed |
| 00:30.00 | Shay | LSorense: can't he use LILO to boot that partition? |
| 00:30.10 | LSorensen | Shay: not as long as the ntldr is on c: |
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| 00:30.23 | Thetan | anyone knows about /usr/sbin/.sniff ? |
| 00:30.33 | bassfreq` | please help - sarge on an iMac and doesn't recognize airport card - was working in the installer but not after reboot - says "device not found" |
| 00:30.40 | Shay | LSorense: he can copy the ntndlr files to D: |
| 00:30.42 | igraltist | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.48 | [shock] | eh |
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| 00:30.53 | [shock] | could i? |
| 00:30.53 | yorkb | anyone know of a good way to send email in a bash script. I have used nail before to send mail via the command line but don't see a way to get around pressing ctl+d to send the message |
| 00:30.59 | zamolxes | LSorensen, well i asked a dumb question. still.. this oughta work: for i in `ls *.png`; do convert $i -fill \"$1\" -draw \"rectangle 0,0,1000,1000\" -draw \"image Over 0,0,0,0 $i\" `echo $i | cut -d . -f 1`.jpg ; done |
| 00:31.34 | LSorensen | Shay: won't make it work |
| 00:31.41 | zamolxes | it works if I just echo the convert command .. but i thinks it onquotes those strings.. when i run convert |
| 00:31.46 | Shay | LSorense: automatically, when formatting /dev/hdx1 to a Linux filesystem, D: will automatically change to C: |
| 00:31.52 | daki | sussudio: Sorry, but what is the package name you have to apt-get. Does it tell you there? |
| 00:31.57 | [shock] | [02:38] <Shay> LSorense: he can copy the ntndlr files to D: |
| 00:32.05 | LSorensen | Shay: actually under NT systems they don't |
| 00:32.15 | Shay | fuck NT sucks |
| 00:32.18 | Thetan | yorkb: you can pipe with cat file | nail user@host |
| 00:32.19 | LSorensen | Shay: yep |
| 00:32.29 | [shock] | ;____; |
| 00:32.32 | [shock] | plz |
| 00:32.35 | [shock] | help me |
| 00:32.38 | [shock] | in some way |
| 00:32.39 | LSorensen | Shay: besides all the registry entries with path names would get messed up if it changed |
| 00:32.41 | Shay | [shock]; why don't you format the whole HDD and install Linux on it? |
| 00:32.52 | [shock] | because |
| 00:32.56 | [shock] | i dun want |
| 00:32.59 | yorkb | Thetan:ok i'll give that a try |
| 00:33.01 | [shock] | to reinstall D: |
| 00:33.26 | LSorensen | [shock]: how big is c:, d: and e: ? |
| 00:33.28 | [shock] | hm |
| 00:33.29 | Shay | [shock]; damn, is it too difficult to write in one line? |
| 00:33.36 | sussudio | Shay: tachash tachash tachash tachash |
| 00:33.37 | [shock] | in one line? |
| 00:33.38 | [shock] | ahh |
| 00:33.40 | [shock] | ok |
| 00:33.42 | [shock] | no |
| 00:34.04 | Shay | sussudio; what's wrong? |
| 00:34.11 | LSorensen | Shay: Don't worry, soon the flood bot will boot [shock] :) |
| 00:34.17 | sussudio | Shay: appearently the bible mentions badgers. |
| 00:34.21 | pingouinn | anyone use an pci card to have firewire port ? which one are good for linux ? |
| 00:34.29 | [shock] | hum i'm not flooding, am i? |
| 00:34.51 | LSorensen | pingouinn: I have only used onboard firewire, but anything with an ohci 1394 compatible chip should be fine |
| 00:34.52 | naim | !fuck [shock] |
| 00:34.57 | [shock] | .... |
| 00:35.05 | [shock] | !fuck naim |
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| 00:35.17 | madduck | dpkg is a sick-o! |
| 00:35.17 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, madduck |
| 00:35.34 | naim | its rude to type like that .. [shock] |
| 00:35.51 | pingouinn | LSorensen, ok, good supoort under 2.4.X and 2.6.x ... thx...i think about an basic adaptec card |
| 00:35.52 | LSorensen | [shock]: you could try this: use something like partition magic to make e: smaller and c: large until c: is large enough to hold the files from e:, then use c: as the archive disk, and install linux where e: is now. |
| 00:35.54 | naim | yes u r flooding |
| 00:36.00 | LSorensen | pingouinn: tends to work quite well |
| 00:36.07 | argonel | LSorensen: did you have a link for modutils? |
| 00:36.18 | LSorensen | argonel: ehm, let me see |
| 00:36.27 | RzR | hi |
| 00:36.36 | abydos | Is a lower dot pitch on a monitor better, or is higher better? |
| 00:36.38 | RzR | are u using mldonkey ? |
| 00:36.40 | Shay | LSorensen; good one |
| 00:36.42 | LSorensen | argonel: /etc/rcS.d/S20modutils |
| 00:36.52 | madduck | abydos: lower |
| 00:36.53 | RzR | this package doesnt work since last update |
| 00:36.58 | sussudio | abydos: want to buy a .39 dotpitch packard bell monitor? |
| 00:37.02 | madduck | :) |
| 00:37.04 | abydos | Naah. |
| 00:37.06 | LSorensen | Shay: that way the boot loader stays on c:, d: stays with xp, and debian can go on the disk |
| 00:37.15 | LSorensen | er [shock] |
| 00:37.22 | madduck | if i see c: or d: again, i will freak. |
| 00:37.27 | sussudio | e: |
| 00:37.30 | argonel | LSorensen: whoa... i *do* have those :/ |
| 00:37.36 | abydos | I'm looking for a couple new 17" monitors/ |
| 00:37.41 | [shock] | LSorense: waht? |
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| 00:37.45 | LSorensen | abydos: they still make such things? |
| 00:37.46 | Randy | hello |
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| 00:37.52 | madduck | sussudio: that was on purpose, no? |
| 00:37.54 | argonel | LSorensen: i failed to notice the S in what you pasted. thanks :) |
| 00:37.55 | LSorensen | [shock]: how big is c: and e:? |
| 00:37.58 | sussudio | madduck: f: |
| 00:38.16 | LSorensen | argonel: S is startup, before it switches to a runlevel number |
| 00:38.23 | [shock] | c: is 8.78 gb |
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| 00:38.28 | LSorensen | [shock]: and e: |
| 00:38.34 | [shock] | 4,87 |
| 00:39.02 | hooya | anyone ever work with etherboot and deb? |
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| 00:39.23 | [shock] | so? |
| 00:39.30 | LSorensen | [shock]: so if you delete the junk from c: you don't need, (don't touch stiff in the root dir of c:) and then use partition magic or something to shrink it to 5G, then copy the files from e: to c:, and then delete e:, use partition magic to move d: down to the end of the smaller c:, and install debian in the 9G or so free space |
| 00:39.46 | argonel | LSorensen: i must be barking up the wrong tree. does modutils automatically load modules, or do i have to put a reference to the module in /etc/modules? |
| 00:39.54 | LSorensen | [shock]: then as far as xp is concerned, nothing changes |
| 00:39.58 | [shock] | OMG |
| 00:40.04 | [shock] | ok |
| 00:40.05 | madduck | [shock]: deltree /y c:\winnt will free the disk of some cruft... |
| 00:40.10 | LSorensen | argonel: discover loads some modules if it knows the driver for the device |
| 00:40.10 | [shock] | lool |
| 00:40.13 | [shock] | madduck |
| 00:40.18 | [shock] | !fuck madduck |
| 00:40.22 | LSorensen | madduck: c:\windows more likely if 98 |
| 00:40.31 | madduck | aha |
| 00:40.38 | [shock] | lol |
| 00:40.52 | BlakeZombie | nice effect |
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| 00:41.03 | gameduck | how long does it take to initializing swap paritiion?? |
| 00:41.10 | LSorensen | gameduck: usually a few seconds |
| 00:41.11 | gameduck | is it fast or it take like 5mins or so? |
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| 00:41.14 | gameduck | hummmm |
| 00:41.16 | gameduck | some thing is wrong then |
| 00:41.24 | BlakeZombie | depends on processor speed |
| 00:41.25 | LSorensen | gameduck: assuming a normal 500 to 1000MB |
| 00:41.28 | sussudio | people 'cleaning up' their windows installation usually ends up with me booting from a knoppix cd to put it all back together. |
| 00:41.31 | gameduck | dual xeon |
| 00:41.32 | LSorensen | gameduck: and no bad block test |
| 00:41.38 | BlakeZombie | nvm |
| 00:41.42 | LSorensen | gameduck: with bad block test, possible hours |
| 00:41.44 | BlakeZombie | i'll shut up |
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| 00:42.01 | gameduck | thx |
| 00:42.28 | sidicas | gameduck: Give it at least 10 mins :-) |
| 00:42.44 | sidicas | gameduck: How big did you make the swap? |
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| 00:43.57 | gameduck | i made it 1000 |
| 00:44.03 | xpato | hi |
| 00:44.04 | gameduck | ok done finally |
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| 00:44.15 | gameduck | why does it take so long to do the swap |
| 00:44.15 | sidicas | gameduck: How much RAM? |
| 00:44.15 | edrin | hi |
| 00:44.17 | xpato | in grub what is the first kernel, 0 or 1? |
| 00:44.20 | gameduck | and also create a parititon? |
| 00:44.26 | gameduck | xpato. its 0 |
| 00:44.31 | sciboy | Hi, for some reason i haven't ben able to achieve a resolution higher than 800x600, could someone please help me find out why and a solution to fix it? I have posted my XFree86.0.log @ http://sciboy.zer0host.com/misc/XFree86.0.log |
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| 00:44.54 | xpato | thx |
| 00:45.02 | gameduck | debian is soo wierd |
| 00:45.11 | gameduck | usually any os will do the parition so fast |
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| 00:45.27 | sidicas | gameduck: Yea, they really could use a progress bar for the init of a swap partition in the installer |
| 00:45.33 | k-man | morning |
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| 00:45.38 | sidicas | old installer I mean... I haven't used the new one |
| 00:45.49 | antiPoP | hi people |
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| 00:45.52 | edrin | i have the strange feeling that there is an error on my hf |
| 00:45.52 | gameduck | sidicas. i don't know.. but i'm just waiting here |
| 00:46.04 | k-man | anyone know of a web site that can monitor newsgroups for articles that match search criteria and email you if it spots something that matches? |
| 00:46.07 | `DamN` | sciboy: you have problem with your pointer equipment |
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| 00:46.09 | antiPoP | i trying to make a shell script |
| 00:46.22 | gameduck | is it good to creae a ext2 or ext3 in debian? |
| 00:46.38 | sidicas | gameduck: Unless you have over 512 Meg of RAM, I think 1 gig of swap might be a bit excessive |
| 00:46.50 | gameduck | sdicas sigh |
| 00:46.57 | gameduck | i got 1gig of RAM |
| 00:47.15 | mentor | bastard. |
| 00:47.16 | sidicas | my bad |
| 00:47.34 | antiPoP | i do ps axwu | sort -k8 , but the ourput is not completky ordered, seem that sort is confused betwen S and S< status?? |
| 00:47.40 | WALoeIII | I'm going to take a HUGE shit now |
| 00:47.40 | WALoeIII | :) |
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| 00:47.50 | peterS | WALoeIII: WTMI |
| 00:47.51 | mentor | WALoeIII: Thanks for that. |
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| 00:48.00 | antiPoP | cand any ideas?? |
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| 00:48.35 | opp | how do i edit by automatic way of course, the sources list for apt-get uograde? |
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| 00:49.12 | xpato | when the system reboot, dmesg is replace by a new one? |
| 00:49.21 | shinguz | xpato: yes |
| 00:49.24 | struct | how coDme when i press alt+fX in console it doesn't change my virtual terminal? |
| 00:49.29 | sciboy | `DamN`: So, any ideas on how i can fix it? |
| 00:49.31 | shinguz | /var/log/dmesg that is |
| 00:49.31 | Viddy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.03 | LSorensen | struct: left alt? |
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| 00:50.09 | hiway | gtkBitchX-1.0c19+ by panasync - Linux 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 00:50.12 | struct | LSorensen: neither alts work |
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| 00:50.20 | xpato | shinguz, anyway to have one from a previus boot |
| 00:50.25 | LSorensen | struct: single user mode? |
| 00:50.35 | struct | LSorensen: wait, left alt does work |
| 00:50.42 | LSorensen | struct: yeah it must be left alt |
| 00:50.46 | struct | LSorensen: i usually use right alt. is that not supposed to work? |
| 00:50.47 | xpato | i say this becasue my systen was down many time, i want to know why |
| 00:50.57 | gameduck | how long does it take to Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information? |
| 00:50.59 | shinguz | after a reboot, no afaik. if you copy the file somewhere else before rebooting, then yes |
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| 00:51.20 | LSorensen | struct: certianly never works for me |
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| 00:51.56 | coldfire | . |
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| 00:53.00 | coldfire | was los? |
| 00:53.35 | pingouinn | i was checked for adding an firewire pci card for an external dvd burner, but i'm checking species and it suport also USB2 that is (on paper) faster (USB 2.0: 480Mbps) |
| 00:53.48 | pingouinn | so...is UBS suported ? |
| 00:53.56 | pingouinn | usb2 sorry |
| 00:54.19 | LSorensen | pingouinn: usb2 is supported in linux using the usb-ehci driver. works fine too. |
| 00:54.24 | naim | gameduck, depends on the size...hardware ..shit .. cant really tell |
| 00:54.32 | gameduck | why debian so slow :( |
| 00:54.34 | LSorensen | pingouinn: firewire is faster in practice, usb2 is faster in theory :) |
| 00:54.40 | LSorensen | gameduck: mine is fast |
| 00:54.42 | gameduck | why debian installation is sooo freaking slow i swear!! |
| 00:55.04 | gameduck | and why do i need all 6 disc!! |
| 00:55.14 | gameduck | it doesn't even ask for them |
| 00:55.19 | LSorensen | gameduck: you can get by with on cd, and install other stuff over internet |
| 00:55.19 | gameduck | only needed like first one |
| 00:55.22 | Josh- | thats because you dont need then |
| 00:55.27 | shinguz | before i actually make my sllllow computer on a kernel, can i do the kernel "the debian way" from clean unmodified sources fomr kernel.org or do they have to be apt-getted from debian? |
| 00:55.27 | Josh- | err them |
| 00:55.31 | LSorensen | gameduck: the first cd has the most popular stuf |
| 00:55.35 | naim | gameduck, u only need one if u want to use unstable |
| 00:55.42 | LSorensen | gameduck: then the less commonly used stuff is on disc 2 and so on |
| 00:55.45 | gameduck | i want to use stable.. |
| 00:55.53 | gameduck | why is it so slow |
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| 00:55.57 | gameduck | seem like a HARDWARE issues? |
| 00:55.57 | LSorensen | gameduck: kde and such might be on cd2 or cd3 |
| 00:56.03 | gameduck | i don't need KDE |
| 00:56.05 | LSorensen | gameduck: how much ram, which cpu? |
| 00:56.12 | gameduck | all i need is apache, php, mysql, |
| 00:56.27 | gameduck | i think something is seriously wrong with my hardware |
| 00:56.28 | pingouinn | LSorensen, oh ?! ....ok...the dvd burner suport the both...but the species say : USB 2.0: 480Mbps and IEEE 1394 (Firewire): 400Mbps , i only have an old usb1 onboard...i wonder if i have to get the firewire pci card or the usb2 (which is cheaper btw ;) ) but if the both are well supported... |
| 00:56.29 | LSorensen | hmm, that is probably all on cd1 or 2 |
| 00:56.34 | gameduck | last time i did it. it was pretty fast |
| 00:56.44 | sidicas | gameduck: Are you running the bad block test? Is that why it seems so slow? |
| 00:56.56 | LSorensen | pingouinn: both should work, although I suspect firewire's scsi emulation is probably better. |
| 00:56.58 | gameduck | well its finish the initiablizing now |
| 00:57.04 | gameduck | its getting into the installation screen |
| 00:57.05 | LSorensen | pingouinn: getting a card with both seems good though |
| 00:57.09 | naim | gameduck, hdparm ..look into that check ur hard dive first |
| 00:57.10 | gameduck | wihch all is ee is a blue screen |
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| 00:57.30 | gameduck | maybe its the SATA HD>?? |
| 00:57.36 | gameduck | does debian support SATA? |
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| 00:57.50 | LSorensen | gameduck: sata is slow until you use a kernel with sata support. emulation mode is rather sluggish |
| 00:57.51 | doublehp | I installed mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail for use with Mozilla 1.6-3 ; but when I configure the security option of any account , moz complains : "Certificate manager cant locate a valid certificate that can be used to digitally sign your messages" . I configured everything (well ? ) with GnuPG - what shall I do to make moz able to sign and escrypt messages ? |
| 00:57.55 | pingouinn | LSorensen : yeah good idea..just hope it will be suported...any any of card with both USB2 and FIREwire ? |
| 00:57.58 | LSorensen | gameduck: testing has great sata support |
| 00:58.00 | gameduck | doh!! no wonder.. |
| 00:58.10 | gameduck | i ran the bf24 |
| 00:58.17 | gameduck | no wonder its hella slow |
| 00:58.18 | LSorensen | pingouinn: many should, and almost all should work fine in linux. usb2 and firewire is pretty standard interfaces |
| 00:58.28 | gameduck | so i should go with regular IDE? |
| 00:58.29 | pingouinn | ok thx |
| 00:58.35 | gameduck | let me stop this shit |
| 00:58.41 | gameduck | this is getting too slow for me |
| 00:58.52 | LSorensen | hmm, I always liked bf24 better |
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| 00:59.05 | gameduck | sorensen. i'm using bf24, but still slow |
| 00:59.58 | coldfire | einfach alle verbrennen |
| 00:59.59 | wols_ | gameduck: get a 2.6 kernel |
| 01:00.08 | wols_ | what you lack is busmaster support for your sata |
| 01:00.17 | LSorensen | gameduck: if you installed testing instead it has sata support in the installer and runs much faster |
| 01:00.17 | coldfire | pizdez blyad |
| 01:00.41 | adamhall | coldfire: tried #debian.de? |
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| 01:00.57 | Thetan | What is the file: /usr/sbin/.sniff ? |
| 01:01.10 | LSorensen | Thetan: my first guess would be a rootkit, but I don't know |
| 01:01.13 | gameduck | u are right!! |
| 01:01.16 | gameduck | slo was hell!! |
| 01:01.23 | gameduck | time to remove the SATA and just put in a regular IDE |
| 01:01.30 | LSorensen | gameduck: I run sata at work, with testing and love it |
| 01:01.36 | gameduck | yes i know |
| 01:01.38 | LSorensen | gameduck: I won't go back |
| 01:01.40 | gameduck | i run it with testing also |
| 01:01.44 | LSorensen | gameduck: sata is much better |
| 01:01.45 | gameduck | but its for a customer |
| 01:01.48 | wols_ | pingouinn: use firewire. USB is slower than firewire even with usb2 |
| 01:01.52 | gameduck | the wanted stable woody |
| 01:02.06 | gameduck | i told him sarge is more stable then any redhat distro or suse |
| 01:02.15 | gameduck | he goes NO NO.. |
| 01:02.30 | wols_ | gameduck: check if 2.4 has support for your sata chip. if not, consider a monolithic 2.6 kernel |
| 01:02.34 | ^^dave^^ | I'm having sound problems on my gnome2.4/sarge/2.4kernel box: I keep getting "can't open /dev/sound/mixer" errors in gnome |
| 01:02.46 | LSorensen | gameduck: well if you install woody, and grab the 2.4.26 kernelimage from testing, it will run fast |
| 01:02.53 | gameduck | sarge installer over the web so nicely :) |
| 01:02.59 | Thetan | LSorensen: OK. (it is empty directory). |
| 01:03.18 | wols_ | Dave123: is alsa installed? |
| 01:03.21 | wols_ | or oss? |
| 01:03.22 | deadcat | woody installer over the net is heaven (=.. sarge partition is cryptic |
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| 01:04.04 | ^^dave^^ | wols_: i'm getting an alsa error on bootup but the boot messages go by too fast to read |
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| 01:04.43 | ^^dave^^ | wols_: how can I tell which is installed and which gnome is expecting? |
| 01:04.51 | anonobomber | ^^dave^^, view /var/log/syslog or you could use dmesg |
| 01:04.53 | gameduck | does the smp kernel support dual xeon?? |
| 01:04.58 | argonel | how can you reinstall a package installed by dpkg -i? |
| 01:05.01 | deadcat | gameduck: yes. |
| 01:05.13 | gameduck | cool thx |
| 01:05.14 | deadcat | argonel: apt-get install pkg-name --reinstall |
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| 01:05.35 | ilovelinux | hello... |
| 01:05.37 | LSorensen | gameduck: the 686-smp should yes |
| 01:05.43 | ilovelinux | can someone tell me how to reconfigure my mouse for X? |
| 01:05.44 | cromd | greetings all, i'm meeting with a spot of inertia in #bash so forgive me this off-topicness if you can, does anyone know the bash formatting commands to convert, say, 7 to 007? |
| 01:05.56 | LSorensen | ilovelinux: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:05.59 | ilovelinux | thanks |
| 01:06.03 | Justin | cromd: man 1 printf |
| 01:06.15 | cromd | thanking thee Justin :) |
| 01:06.57 | argonel | deadcat: actually it whines reinstallation not possible ... package cannot be downloaded. but it turns out dpkg -i <pkg> does it just fine. thanks, though |
| 01:07.30 | argonel | i should have tried it first, i just assumed it would give an error |
| 01:07.37 | gameduck | oh yes!! |
| 01:07.42 | gameduck | much faster with a regular IDE!! :) |
| 01:07.43 | gameduck | haahahahaaha |
| 01:07.45 | gameduck | 10 x faster |
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| 01:08.06 | deadcat | damn |
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| 01:08.34 | wols_ | Dave123: gnome wants alsa here |
| 01:08.58 | ^^dave^^ | okay, dmesg and "cat /var/log/syslog | grep "alsa" don't give me any info |
| 01:09.01 | wols_ | gameduck: the best thing to use is still a sata busmaster driver |
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| 01:09.59 | anonobomber | ^^dave^^, lsmod|grep snd |
| 01:10.23 | meff | anyone know an alternative traffic shaper than wondershaper? ws doesn't help my dsl much at all for some reason |
| 01:10.33 | ^^dave^^ | wols_: what do I need to do to give it to it? |
| 01:10.42 | ^^dave^^ | anonobomber: that didn't return anything |
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| 01:11.06 | anonobomber | ^^dave^^, what kernel? |
| 01:11.10 | ^^dave^^ | 2.4 |
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| 01:11.31 | anonobomber | ^^dave^^, do you have the alsa-modules for your kernel version installed or compiled? |
| 01:11.55 | ^^dave^^ | Linux rlyeh 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:12.34 | LSorensen | ^^dave^^: time to install a real kernel like the install guide says to do |
| 01:12.37 | anonobomber | ^^dave^^, apt-get install alsa-base alsa-source |
| 01:12.40 | ^^dave^^ | anonobomber: sound used to work up until an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade last week |
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| 01:12.52 | anonobomber | ^^dave^^, alsa or oss? |
| 01:12.59 | ^^dave^^ | alsa-base is already the latest version...dpkg-reconfigure didn't do anything |
| 01:12.59 | wols_ | Dave123: then you probably have oss installed |
| 01:13.27 | LSorensen | ^^dave^^: you don't want to run an installer kernel on a system |
| 01:13.29 | ^^dave^^ | LSorensen: I'm not going to 2.6 for a while |
| 01:13.29 | anonobomber | ^^dave^^, i suspect wols_ is correct, you were probably using oss |
| 01:13.49 | anonobomber | ^^dave^^, then at least get up to 2.4.26 |
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| 01:14.32 | abydos | ^^dave^^: I'd recommend using 2.6; it's fast, simple, and supports IDE CD burning. |
| 01:14.51 | anonobomber | abydos, theres nothing wrong with running a 2.4 kernel |
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| 01:15.09 | abydos | anonobomber: No, but there's no reason not to use 2.6. |
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| 01:15.24 | anonobomber | i disagree |
| 01:15.41 | abydos | anonobomber: Why do you disagree? |
| 01:15.52 | Thetan | in short how is the .deb package integrity ensured when downloading by mirror site? |
| 01:16.18 | abydos | anonobomber: have you seen the scalability benchmarks on 2.4 vs 2.6? |
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| 01:16.26 | anonobomber | abydos, he wants to run 2.4 no harm in doing that |
| 01:16.27 | xerxes | help please ;( |
| 01:16.31 | abydos | Thetan: md5sums. |
| 01:16.38 | abydos | Right. |
| 01:16.39 | ^^dave^^ | Thetan: md5 |
| 01:16.43 | xerxes | I ahve a problem with cups - "Parallel port busy; will retry in 30 seconds..." |
| 01:16.48 | xerxes | Nothing i do will solve it |
| 01:17.00 | abydos | No harm is done by people who run 2.4, but 2.6 is faster and more scalable. |
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| 01:17.08 | anonobomber | xerxes, lsof /dev/lp0 |
| 01:17.10 | xerxes | As best i can tell it is cups itself which is blocking the parallel port |
| 01:17.44 | Thetan | ok for md5sums, are they compared to original md5sums from debian site? |
| 01:17.48 | xerxes | anonobomber, just apt-geting that |
| 01:17.52 | abydos | Thetan: yes. |
| 01:17.53 | xerxes | one moment |
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| 01:18.22 | Thetan | thank you, I will look into that. |
| 01:18.24 | abydos | Thetan: When you update the package definitions, it grabs md5 sums for every deb. |
| 01:18.37 | Thetan | grabs them from where? |
| 01:18.43 | abydos | When it downloads the debs, it checksums the deb vs. the md5sum. |
| 01:18.44 | abydos | the mirror. |
| 01:18.46 | anonobomber | xerxes, lsof will tell you which process(es) are locked on to a device |
| 01:19.05 | ashtar | I have some problems, today when I did dist-upgrade to recent (unstable) the smbd failed to start and I shut down the upgrade, now when I start the system It hangs ? while loading smbd and some other process nmbd or somethinig. |
| 01:19.08 | xerxes | anonobomber, ok |
| 01:19.11 | abydos | Updating updates the md5 sum list, too, AFAIK. |
| 01:19.19 | Thetan | if I download from http://debian.tu-bs.de/debian/ will the apt-get/dpkg check original debian.org site? |
| 01:19.23 | ilovelinux | i have a MS Intellimouse and it isn't working with X... any tips to make it work? |
| 01:19.29 | anonobomber | xerxes, that will let you see what is using your parallel port |
| 01:19.30 | xerxes | anonobomber, COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME |
| 01:19.30 | xerxes | parallel 1216 root 3w CHR 6,0 2946 /dev/lp0 |
| 01:19.34 | abydos | Thetan: Most likely. |
| 01:19.42 | xerxes | A command called parallel? |
| 01:19.45 | abydos | Thetan: Unless you've set different apt-sources. |
| 01:19.49 | sciboy | Hi, for some reason i haven't ben able to achieve a resolution higher than 800x600, could someone please help me find out why and a solution to fix it? I have posted my XFree86.0.log @ http://sciboy.zer0host.com/misc/XFree86.0.log |
| 01:19.50 | deadcat | ilovelinux: kernel? usb/ps2? |
| 01:19.50 | ilovelinux | gpm was working...but after i installed X, the mouse stopped working totally |
| 01:19.53 | xerxes | Is that cups related>? |
| 01:19.54 | argonel | Thetan: i don't think so |
| 01:20.02 | ilovelinux | default sarge testing kernel... |
| 01:20.03 | ilovelinux | ps2 |
| 01:20.09 | abydos | ilovelinux: Is it configured in XF86Config? |
| 01:20.11 | anonobomber | xerxes, so the process 1216 named parallel is using it |
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| 01:20.21 | abydos | Which kernel is used by sarge? |
| 01:20.25 | ilovelinux | let me check |
| 01:20.25 | Josh- | sciboy: did you specify the correct monitor frequencies? |
| 01:20.27 | Thetan | argonel: I suppose it does not verify that way. |
| 01:20.33 | deadcat | ilovelinux: if you are running gpm and X, you need few config changes |
| 01:20.39 | xerxes | anonobomber root 1216 0.0 0.0 2328 528 ? S 11:08 0:00 parallel:/dev/lp0 15 root Test Page 1 |
| 01:20.40 | ashtar | Well it does not hang bug nothing happens I mean the startup should be able to quit smbd if it doesn't start properly |
| 01:20.46 | helix | !gpm |
| 01:20.47 | dpkg | [gpm] if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=msc in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol MouseSystems; seems to work in XF4 too or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or try with repeat_type=ms3 and X using Intellimouse, or ask for "elf gpm", or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 01:20.57 | Thetan | abydos: there are mirrors, if sources.list is set to mirrors, the mirror can cheat. |
| 01:21.02 | ilovelinux | 2.4.26 |
| 01:21.05 | xerxes | anonobomber, this is the print job |
| 01:21.06 | abydos | Thetan: hm. |
| 01:21.15 | peterS | ummm. that factoid needs updating |
| 01:21.19 | ashtar | is it possible to not start some services during startup? |
| 01:21.26 | abydos | Thetan: If it's a debian-sanctioned mirror, it should be doing the right thing. |
| 01:21.28 | xerxes | I've really tried everything i can think of.. i've gone to the extreme of installing windows and testing the printer/cable |
| 01:21.32 | xerxes | and it was ok |
| 01:21.33 | Josh- | ashtar: yes |
| 01:21.37 | ashtar | how? |
| 01:21.38 | anonobomber | xerxes, all the status lights etc on your printer are ok then and it is on and connected with a known working cable? |
| 01:21.38 | abydos | ashtar: There should be a way, by removing them from the runlevel. |
| 01:21.42 | ilovelinux | deadcat... what kinda config changes? |
| 01:21.45 | helix | peterS: btw, speaking of mice - what's the default location for laptops? |
| 01:21.47 | Josh- | ashtar: apt-get install rcconf, and run it |
| 01:21.50 | ashtar | i know that but during starutp |
| 01:21.52 | ilovelinux | should i shut off my gpm and just use X? |
| 01:21.54 | deadcat | !tell ilovelinux about gpm |
| 01:21.54 | xerxes | anonobomber, yes i tested it all 5 minutes ago |
| 01:21.56 | helix | psaux, input/mice etc.. |
| 01:21.57 | peterS | helix: PS/2 usually |
| 01:22.01 | peterS | helix: so, /dev/psaux |
| 01:22.03 | helix | ok |
| 01:22.08 | Thetan | abydos: yes you are right and I know what it should be. |
| 01:22.09 | xerxes | anonobomber, i had another printer working from under vmware yesterday too |
| 01:22.10 | ashtar | i cant get into login because smbd fails to load and nothing happens |
| 01:22.21 | ashtar | ii cant input anything beside ctrl alt del |
| 01:22.21 | Supaplex | if the module is loaded already, is access to the device node in any suppose to generate this message? (I think my mknod assigment on the node may be incorrect) - May 22 18:46:38 bell modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-100-0 |
| 01:22.23 | ilovelinux | uhh... i didn'te get anything deadcat |
| 01:22.26 | peterS | helix: of course, many people plug in an external USB mouse to laptops |
| 01:22.30 | ilovelinux | there we go |
| 01:22.37 | helix | ah |
| 01:22.44 | argonel | Thetan: there is a package called debsums that will compare md5 sums, however iirc only the experimental version of apt-get checks them |
| 01:22.48 | Josh- | ashtar: try booting into single user mode or something |
| 01:22.58 | doublehp | I installed mozilla-thunderbird-enigmail for use with Mozilla 1.6-3 ; but when I configure the security option of any account , moz complains : "Certificate manager cant locate a valid certificate that can be used to digitally sign your messages" . I configured everything (well ? ) with GnuPG - what shall I do to make moz able to sign and escrypt messages ? |
| 01:23.02 | xerxes | anonobomber, I've been stuck with this for almost a week |
| 01:23.03 | ashtar | how do i boot into single user mode? |
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| 01:23.07 | Josh- | at lilo type the image name then single |
| 01:23.07 | anonobomber | xerxes, try killing that process and see if you can send some ascii to the printer with lpr |
| 01:23.10 | Josh- | like, linux single |
| 01:23.18 | abydos | what kernel is used by sarge? |
| 01:23.19 | ashtar | it doesn't work either |
| 01:23.22 | xerxes | anonobomber, tried that and i can not, the parallel port blocks |
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| 01:23.31 | anonobomber | weird |
| 01:23.34 | peterS | abydos: many kernels are used with sarge |
| 01:23.35 | Thetan | argonel: that package is very limited. |
| 01:23.38 | xerxes | anonobomber, a echo 4237092 > /dev/lp0 |
| 01:23.42 | abydos | peterS: the installation kernel. |
| 01:23.44 | ashtar | my lilo just loads the kernel and i get no prompt whatsoever |
| 01:23.47 | gameduck | is there a nicer installer for debian stable? woody.. I mean i got a sarge installer . and it got a nice interface.. and it can install over the web.. |
| 01:23.55 | peterS | abydos: 2.4.25, I believe, or 2.6.5 |
| 01:24.01 | deadcat | abydos: depends. theres the 2.4 series and 2.6 |
| 01:24.01 | gameduck | is there one for woody? |
| 01:24.01 | Josh- | you could boot off a cd, mount your drive, and fix whatever the problem is |
| 01:24.06 | abydos | peterS: ooh, nice. |
| 01:24.07 | skarg | Is there a way to automatically log the user off after a period of inactivity in KDE? |
| 01:24.07 | abydos | thanks. |
| 01:24.17 | xerxes | anonobomber, far as i can tell, the parallel port is blocking for some reason |
| 01:24.21 | Thetan | abydos: I mean there are not yet MD5 sums for many important packages. |
| 01:24.23 | abydos | peterS: That will make my use of sarge much nicer. |
| 01:24.25 | deadcat | gameduck: the woody installer is nice! |
| 01:24.31 | abydos | Thetan: ahh, but you can change that. |
| 01:24.34 | gravity | gameduck: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 01:24.41 | peterS | abydos: you have to explicitly request use of kernel 2.6, when you boot the installer - just like with woody and 2.4 |
| 01:24.41 | abydos | Thetan: If you have md5, you can sum them. |
| 01:24.52 | anonobomber | xerxes, dunno what to tell you |
| 01:24.53 | xerxes | anonobomber, dunno if this is cups fault, i figured i could not echo 23432 > /dev/lp0 becasuse the printer (erpson sty col 740) is not a line printer? |
| 01:24.55 | deadcat | gameduck: google PGI |
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| 01:25.03 | ashtar | yea but unfortiunately my second ide channel is half fuckt and works about once a week so i cant access my cdrom unless i am lucky |
| 01:25.11 | xerxes | heh i need to fix this |
| 01:25.18 | abydos | peterS: Oh, this is for a router, it won't be using 2.6 until 2.6.10 comes out. |
| 01:25.25 | xerxes | i've spend days reading google it's gay |
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| 01:25.39 | Thetan | abydos: look if I sum them, there is no point there as potentially insecure binaries are already on the system. |
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| 01:25.46 | gravity | !gay |
| 01:25.46 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 01:25.58 | hanasaki | is the php4 package setup to automatically configur itself in apache2? |
| 01:26.02 | ashtar | so there is no way to ignore services from starting during startup |
| 01:26.09 | abydos | Thetan: ah, that's what you're saying. |
| 01:26.19 | argonel | ashtar: define "services" |
| 01:26.29 | xerxes | anonobomber, atleast, should i be able to echo "anything" > /dev/lp0 without it blocking? |
| 01:26.34 | cafuego | hanasaki: no |
| 01:26.37 | peterS | ashtar: not during startup. you can arrange for this in advance, using update-rc.d |
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| 01:26.48 | ashtar | i ok |
| 01:26.55 | xerxes | anonobomber, knowing that would help me figure out the problem |
| 01:27.16 | ashtar | why doesn't smbd stop after a few minutes |
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| 01:27.24 | hanasaki | cafuego: thats what i was afraid of :( well off i go to figure out how :) do you know ? is there a plan to have php4 auto setup itself in apach2 like it does in apache1? |
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| 01:27.50 | ashtar | there is no reason such a low priority service should make the whole system unusable. |
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| 01:30.19 | skarg | ashtar: if you don't need smbd, then you can remove it from the init using rcconf or update-rc.d tools from the command line. |
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| 01:30.32 | Josh- | he knows that, but he cant boot |
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| 01:30.47 | vertebra | hi! |
| 01:31.00 | vertebra | can anybody help me?! |
| 01:31.04 | vertebra | please? |
| 01:31.11 | skarg | vertebra: hello! |
| 01:31.13 | Josh- | depends what your problem is :) |
| 01:31.36 | gameduck | anyone know of a website where i can grab a web installer for woody? |
| 01:31.39 | gravity | !ask |
| 01:31.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 01:31.45 | vertebra | I (and my boss) need to configure a PC qith debian as a router |
| 01:31.48 | LoRez | gameduck: a web installer? wtf is that? |
| 01:31.54 | vertebra | but i can't do it |
| 01:31.57 | gameduck | lorez. it install it over the intenret.. |
| 01:32.02 | gameduck | like sarge.. |
| 01:32.06 | gravity | gameduck: Did you check the link I sent you? |
| 01:32.12 | LoRez | gameduck: www.debian.org |
| 01:32.12 | gravity | gameduck: There's a ton of options in that |
| 01:32.14 | gameduck | i did. mostly for sarge.. |
| 01:32.21 | gameduck | i need woody |
| 01:32.27 | gravity | gameduck: Just use the woody installer |
| 01:32.31 | vertebra | is necessarely to configure any option in the kernel to do it? |
| 01:32.34 | gameduck | i am trying to |
| 01:32.43 | gameduck | but its saying floppy doesn't exit |
| 01:32.48 | gameduck | and it just bring me back to the menu |
| 01:33.04 | vertebra | im using woody....with the installer i can do it?? |
| 01:33.07 | gravity | Which floppy does it need? |
| 01:33.08 | hanasaki | anytool that can convert to/from mac/unix text formats? flip and dos2unix dont work on mac text |
| 01:33.10 | vertebra | i don't think so |
| 01:33.22 | Josh- | vertebra: you will have to set up all of that after installing it |
| 01:33.26 | Josh- | its not simple |
| 01:33.32 | rich_ | Thanks everyone |
| 01:34.00 | vertebra | yes....is not simple.....(i have 2 months of experience with linux) |
| 01:34.18 | vertebra | i can do it only with iptables? |
| 01:34.21 | Josh- | it will probably be quite a bit over your head |
| 01:34.38 | skarg | vertebra: use http://www.fwbuilder.org/ after you have a debian box configured. |
| 01:34.57 | opp | how do i install apt-setup....i cannot apt-get update, so i cannot install setup? |
| 01:35.12 | vertebra | ok....but what is 'debian box'? |
| 01:35.17 | Josh- | if apt is installed, you just run apt-setup |
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| 01:35.29 | vertebra | (newbies......) |
| 01:35.31 | vertebra | jejeje |
| 01:35.41 | gravity | opp: It should be installed already |
| 01:35.46 | xerxes | help.................. |
| 01:35.50 | xerxes | :( |
| 01:35.57 | gravity | xerxes: What's the problem? |
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| 01:36.02 | skarg | vertebra: a debian box is a PC running debian :-) |
| 01:36.06 | xerxes | /dev/lp0 is blocking |
| 01:36.24 | opp | gravity, nope its NOT |
| 01:36.33 | opp | i did apt-setup |
| 01:36.37 | opp | not found |
| 01:36.38 | vertebra | ok.....thanks...my head is going to exploit |
| 01:36.38 | opp | :( |
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| 01:36.55 | xerxes | that's as best as i can pin the problem too.. the main problem is cups geting the error "Parallel port busy; will retry in 30 seconds..." but it only says that because it's own parallel jobs blocked |
| 01:37.13 | Josh- | you try restarting cups? |
| 01:37.17 | ashtar | Well, maybe there is no easy cure for my prolem, If i give my second ide cable a massage then it might work for so long that i need to boot from cd. |
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| 01:37.29 | frood | hey all |
| 01:37.30 | gravity | opp: Are you root? What happens when you type, as root, /usr/sbin/apt-setup? |
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| 01:38.13 | frood | what's the command that allows you to rename a network device? |
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| 01:38.26 | vertebra | hey skarg |
| 01:39.01 | skarg | vertebra: hey! |
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| 01:39.14 | vertebra | i can do bridging (routing) into 2 subnets with firewall bouilder? |
| 01:39.22 | gravity | xerxes: I don't know any decent way to unblock a port, except possibly a reboot to free up the device |
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| 01:39.41 | xerxes | gravity: I tried that |
| 01:39.51 | mazas | com to http://www.moxi.ten.lt its fun |
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| 01:39.57 | xerxes | gravity: I've unloading the modules |
| 01:40.01 | xerxes | gravity: killing cups |
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| 01:41.01 | vertebra | are you here skarg? |
| 01:41.11 | skarg | vertebra: I used a debian box with 2 ethernet cards and some iptables commands and got a router working. I think fwbuilder will get the job done easier. |
| 01:41.13 | gravity | xerxes: I don't know then. Do you print one thing and then it gets locked up, or is it locked from the beginning? |
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| 01:41.40 | xerxes | gravity, locked from the get go |
| 01:41.49 | vertebra | ok skarg.....thanks |
| 01:41.50 | xerxes | gravity, "blocked" |
| 01:41.57 | meff | anyone know of a good traffic shaping script for dsl? |
| 01:41.59 | xerxes | gravity, i havent been able to print a test page yet |
| 01:42.14 | xerxes | gravity, i tested the pc, cable and printer 5 mins ago |
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| 01:42.34 | gravity | xerxes: Maybe you should go with standard lp or lpr then |
| 01:42.38 | xerxes | gravity, i have had another printer working under win2k under vmware under linux yesterday |
| 01:42.40 | gravity | xerxes: If it's really a CUPS problem |
| 01:43.00 | xerxes | gravity, i dont think that is really a solution |
| 01:43.10 | xerxes | gravity, lpr sucks doesnt it? |
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| 01:43.16 | xerxes | gravity, cups is better supported |
| 01:43.24 | xerxes | gravity, lpr's not going to work anyway |
| 01:43.24 | Thetan | does synchronous updates (S flag with chattr) works really on ext3? |
| 01:43.40 | gravity | xerxes: Well, if it's not a CUPS problem then it's a kernel problem |
| 01:43.54 | gravity | xerxes: Or possibly devfs or udev, if you're running one of those |
| 01:44.39 | xerxes | hmm what's udev? |
| 01:45.02 | gravity | If you're not running it, I wouldn't worry about it now |
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| 01:45.18 | xerxes | yeah i dont think i am |
| 01:45.23 | ashtar | how is udev better than devfs? |
| 01:45.39 | xerxes | but things arent working i'd like to rule it out hmm |
| 01:45.58 | gravity | Well, are you running devfs? |
| 01:46.09 | ashtar | me, yes. |
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| 01:46.49 | gravity | ashtar: Just do a search on udev, you'll learn more about it there than I can tell you |
| 01:47.26 | sussudio | gravity: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/holycrap!.jpg |
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| 01:48.01 | gravity | Awesome! |
| 01:48.15 | gravity | Ooooonlyyyy in Kennnyaaaaa! |
| 01:48.26 | gravity | And on sussudio's computer |
| 01:48.30 | sussudio | i have a platypus and a donkey too but i don't think they're in kenya |
| 01:49.54 | sussudio | gravity: did you see the live-action kenya yet? |
| 01:50.17 | gravity | sussudio: No! Is it on the weebls site? |
| 01:50.25 | sussudio | gravity: yes |
| 01:50.30 | gravity | Sweet! |
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| 01:51.31 | fax0 | is it possible to get connected to irc.quakenet.org trought a proxy ? |
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| 01:52.25 | sussudio | got yourself banned, did you, fax0? |
| 01:52.49 | thomas_adam | hehehe |
| 01:52.52 | thomas_adam | !sing sussudio |
| 01:53.04 | somiaj | sussudio: have ya seen this? http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml |
| 01:53.06 | sussudio | IRC networks really appreciate users using IRC proxies... |
| 01:53.16 | thomas_adam | !tell xerxes about enter |
| 01:53.25 | sussudio | somiaj: it's not the stupid banana phone thing, is it? |
| 01:53.35 | fax0 | sussudio, some colleagues at work doesnt really love me to be true :) |
| 01:53.36 | cafuego | fax0: The normal way would be to hack some poor bastard's redhat box and install an irc proxy on that; or 'redir' if anything and protect it with a trojan of some sort. |
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| 01:53.56 | somiaj | sussudio: no, its instructions for installing linux on a dead badger and has a link at the bottom in its disclamer about snakes and mushrooms . . . (: |
| 01:54.05 | xerxes | thomas_adam: why? |
| 01:54.10 | gravity | sussudio: The live action thing is terrifying, yet too cool for words |
| 01:54.11 | cafuego | Complete morons just add a shell account to run irc in, but that of course stands out a bit in the logs and the tripwire report. |
| 01:54.12 | sussudio | somiaj: like the one that's been on everything2 for like forever now? |
| 01:54.22 | thomas_adam | xerxes: because |
| 01:54.24 | thomas_adam | you really |
| 01:54.27 | thomas_adam | should not make |
| 01:54.27 | sussudio | gravity: they could've bothered to write "Holy Crap. Lions" on the bus-thing |
| 01:54.30 | thomas_adam | all your lines |
| 01:54.33 | thomas_adam | this damn |
| 01:54.33 | thomas_adam | short |
| 01:54.34 | fax0 | sussudio, they v got a channel called #sp4nk there and i'v been banned, n they made some sort of ... flooding and tried to make a denied of service :p |
| 01:54.34 | gravity | sussudio: Yeah, that kind of ruined it |
| 01:54.40 | somiaj | sussudio: could be, just somthing I came across..... |
| 01:54.42 | thomas_adam | it just |
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| 01:54.44 | thomas_adam | fills up the |
| 01:54.45 | xerxes | thomas_adam: point out where i wrote across multiple lines |
| 01:54.46 | gravity | sussudio: Although they did do the squirtgun to urinate on "snoreway", which was cool |
| 01:54.46 | sussudio | ... |
| 01:54.48 | thomas_adam | screen |
| 01:54.57 | cafuego | fax0: So why bother going there at all then? |
| 01:55.02 | sussudio | #sp4nk? is that g4lt's channel? |
| 01:55.08 | xerxes | thomas_adam: and it was not justified, as in a reply to something |
| 01:55.11 | sussudio | gravity: myeah |
| 01:55.27 | thomas_adam | !seen sgeigerbot |
| 01:55.28 | dpkg | sgeigerbot <~user@h116.144.55.139.ip.alltel.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 15d 6h 57m ago, saying: 'luite: when you log into a console, you would be using a PAM client, so to speak. Why wouldn't that work?'. |
| 01:55.40 | xerxes | oh yeah i see scrolling back |
| 01:55.41 | thomas_adam | Ah, when will sgeigerbot return? |
| 01:55.44 | xerxes | but heh |
| 01:55.50 | xerxes | im at my ropes end ;) |
| 01:55.51 | fax0 | cafuego, true true, useless thing hey |
| 01:55.58 | sussudio | i think he's on a holy quest to whatever town spawned mysql |
| 01:56.03 | thomas_adam | xerxes: We say "wits end" here. |
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| 01:56.10 | thomas_adam | sussudio: heh. |
| 01:56.28 | fax0 | sussudio, it's a channel where people ( friends in real life ) used to go and chat ... |
| 01:56.40 | sussudio | fax0: and sp4nk eachother? |
| 01:56.57 | xerxes | well this is horrible |
| 01:57.10 | xerxes | like the end of a rope dangling over a cliff |
| 01:57.14 | fax0 | sussudio, lol yeah kinda, but they spanked me really hard after i spanked everyother people really really hard :) |
| 01:57.17 | cafuego | fax0: tip: use a network that has takeover and moron protection. |
| 01:57.23 | xerxes | and still 400 meters above ground |
| 01:57.28 | sussudio | cafuego: slaon pao! |
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| 01:57.30 | fax0 | they called an op and ... BOOOM |
| 01:57.38 | cafuego | sussudio: koud he? |
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| 01:57.45 | sussudio | cafuego: debstats. |
| 01:57.55 | cafuego | sussudio: they dontexist |
| 01:58.08 | sussudio | !slap gpm |
| 01:58.10 | fax0 | sussudio, a few people there dont like me in real life & at work they dont even say hello to me :)) but well... |
| 01:58.20 | thomas_adam | fax0: Awwww. |
| 01:58.34 | sussudio | fax0: we feel the same, really |
| 01:58.35 | thomas_adam | !aww |
| 01:58.36 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 01:58.39 | fax0 | thomas_adam, sad isnt ? :p |
| 01:58.39 | cafuego | Hmm, derde .. and a nice quote. |
| 01:58.40 | fax0 | lol |
| 01:59.09 | Viddy | d |
| 01:59.16 | thomas_adam | Viddy: <-- look? :) |
| 01:59.21 | fax0 | sussudio, well, people make clans ... |
| 01:59.29 | thomas_adam | Factions. |
| 01:59.34 | fax0 | yeah right |
| 01:59.35 | sussudio | well, they do in the deep south |
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| 01:59.59 | cafuego | fax0: that's easily solved by taking a firearm to work |
| 02:00.01 | fax0 | cafuego, you are evil :)) |
| 02:00.08 | cafuego | seems to be the done thing in certain parts of the world |
| 02:00.14 | fax0 | hahahahahahah |
| 02:00.28 | cafuego | !cafuego disclaimer |
| 02:00.28 | dpkg | hmm... cafuego disclaimer is Don't believe what cafuego tells you, unless you're immortal, cafuego or both! |
| 02:00.46 | StrykerUnit | anyone here good at programming? |
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| 02:01.12 | cafuego | StrykerUnit: I'm even betetr at deprogramming, I used to work at Guantanamo Bay. |
| 02:01.24 | fax0 | guess what cafuego? i'v got a 9 mm automatic 16 bullets here in my room |
| 02:01.47 | thomas_adam | fax0: Don't be a fool. |
| 02:01.47 | cafuego | fax0: if you're not kidding, that's a great way to end up on my ignore list for the rest of eternity. |
| 02:01.50 | EfaistOs | hopw to mount a iso file under 2.6 with udev ? |
| 02:01.55 | fax0 | lmao :)) nah i wont gone crazy like those 2 CS guys in america |
| 02:01.56 | thomas_adam | loopback |
| 02:02.04 | thomas_adam | EfaistOs: mount -o loop /dev/foo /foo |
| 02:02.04 | StrykerUnit | well i need someone to help me adopt a orphaned package i can do the website and stuff just need a programmer |
| 02:02.15 | cafuego | EfaistOs: mount -o loop /home/user/file.iso /mnt/ |
| 02:02.21 | thomas_adam | yeah ^^ that |
| 02:02.34 | fax0 | thomas_adam, no worries ;) |
| 02:02.43 | fax0 | it's only to defend |
| 02:02.50 | cafuego | fax0: you win |
| 02:03.06 | cafuego | !lart guntards |
| 02:03.21 | fax0 | cafuego, 'im not a violent guy ^^ |
| 02:03.25 | EfaistOs | cafuego, not working :( |
| 02:03.25 | thomas_adam | _free_ solaris7 CD? |
| 02:03.30 | EfaistOs | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, |
| 02:03.31 | EfaistOs | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.31 | EfaistOs | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.31 | EfaistOs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:03.36 | thomas_adam | twat |
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| 02:03.40 | EfaistOs | sorry |
| 02:03.44 | fax0 | mdr |
| 02:03.49 | cafuego | thomas_adam: add '-t fstype' |
| 02:03.51 | cafuego | EfaistOs: even |
| 02:03.55 | fax0 | va sur #flood pour ca ... |
| 02:03.59 | fax0 | EfaistOs, |
| 02:04.00 | thomas_adam | file ./foo.iso |
| 02:04.10 | thomas_adam | it is an iso, right? |
| 02:04.11 | gokee2_ | Hi all |
| 02:04.16 | thomas_adam | !hi gokee2_ |
| 02:04.17 | dpkg | Many greetings, gokee2_, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 02:04.22 | EfaistOs | thomas_adam, data |
| 02:04.28 | gokee2_ | WOw |
| 02:04.32 | cafuego | sussudio: why does debstats not link my nick to my website and why doesn't it display an image? |
| 02:04.36 | gokee2_ | What a welcome |
| 02:05.03 | gokee2_ | anyway |
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| 02:05.05 | gokee2_ | can someone tell me how to set up apt-get? |
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| 02:05.24 | holycow | apt-setup? |
| 02:05.30 | gokee2_ | right |
| 02:05.31 | thomas_adam | !apt-setup |
| 02:05.33 | gokee2_ | Thanks |
| 02:05.41 | gokee2_ | I am forgeting things |
| 02:05.41 | debuser | which keystroke suspends and which closes? |
| 02:05.48 | thomas_adam | ^Z suspend |
| 02:05.56 | thomas_adam | ^C end |
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| 02:06.08 | debuser | thanks thomas_adam |
| 02:06.18 | gokee2_ | apt-setup not found |
| 02:06.20 | gokee2_ | ?? |
| 02:06.21 | cafuego | ^\ == die |
| 02:06.25 | buu | Hrm. I'm trying to install a wireless card, and it worked fine on a different computer, but I moved the card to a diffrent computer, now I can't even get the bios (or at least lspci) to recognize it. Any one have any clues? I've tried switching the card to different pci slots, moving/removing other pci cards, nada. |
| 02:06.25 | gokee2_ | ? |
| 02:06.52 | gokee2_ | !apt-setup |
| 02:06.53 | cafuego | buu: Did you zap and break it by touching it? |
| 02:07.13 | buu | cafuego: No idea. Don't thinks so. |
| 02:07.15 | debuser | how do you get rid of the libranet startup screen? |
| 02:07.26 | cafuego | debuser: Wrong channel. |
| 02:07.36 | StrykerUnit | anyone here know TCL? |
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| 02:07.59 | ashtar | Is it a big security risk running sshd (allowing root login) without having a firewall? |
| 02:08.03 | thomas_adam | dpkg, apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. |
| 02:08.03 | dpkg | thomas_adam: okay |
| 02:08.09 | wookie | how can i get my files and directoris using CLI to be different colours? |
| 02:08.21 | thomas_adam | wookie: ls --color |
| 02:08.42 | cafuego | ashtar: How were you going to allow an ssh login *with* a firewall blocking port 22? |
| 02:09.04 | Shadur | thomas_adam: I prefer --color=auto so it doesn't break in those times I need to redirect the output. |
| 02:09.17 | thomas_adam | uh-huh |
| 02:09.28 | ashtar | :) |
| 02:10.36 | wookie | thomas_adam, ta, how do i make it default stay on color? |
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| 02:10.39 | debuser | how can i prevent the monitor from blacking out? |
| 02:10.47 | EfaistOs | under 2.6 with udev is it smething special to do to mount an iso file ? |
| 02:10.50 | wookie | thomas_adam, ie so i dont have to put ls --color everytime |
| 02:11.06 | thomas_adam | wookie: add it to ~/.bash_profile (alias ls='ls --color=auto') |
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| 02:11.19 | thomas_adam | debuser: console or X? |
| 02:11.31 | debuser | both |
| 02:11.39 | thomas_adam | console: setterm -blank 0 |
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| 02:11.48 | ashtar | I meant: I do not run a firewall, does running sshd make my system much more vunerable? I run proftpd for filetransfers but other than that not more than what is required for desktop usage. |
| 02:11.48 | thomas_adam | X: xset noblank |
| 02:12.06 | astronut | is it just me (my mirror) or have there not been any updates to sid in past few days? |
| 02:12.11 | cafuego | debuser: if that fails, you can hack the kernel to ingore the blanker (for console anyway) |
| 02:12.16 | thomas_adam | astronut: could be your mirror. |
| 02:12.33 | thomas_adam | also turn off any DPMS shit. |
| 02:12.44 | thomas_adam | man xset will help there, debuser. |
| 02:13.05 | astronut | DPMS? |
| 02:13.05 | cafuego | astronut: My mirrors haven't updated for a few days either. |
| 02:13.05 | debuser | right, xset -dpms |
| 02:13.07 | buu | Nope, my the pci card definately isn't broked, the other computer recognizes it just fine. The first computer won't detect it though |
| 02:13.17 | EfaistOs | nobody for my mount problem ? |
| 02:13.26 | thomas_adam | EfaistOs: yes... |
| 02:13.47 | thomas_adam | EfaistOs: mount -t iso9660 -o loop /iso.iso /mnt/point |
| 02:13.48 | astronut | cafuego: ok...good to know |
| 02:13.56 | EfaistOs | thomas_adam, not working |
| 02:13.59 | StrykerUnit | if u know Tcl pm me |
| 02:14.06 | thomas_adam | EfaistOs: then your iso is shagged. |
| 02:14.15 | FieldySnuts | is there some proc setting somewhere, where i can tell the kernel that if it panics, reboot? |
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| 02:14.24 | thomas_adam | StrykerUnit: I know tcl, but I am not fucking PMing you. ask in #tcl |
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| 02:14.36 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: linux panick=30 |
| 02:14.44 | ashtar | Anyone? What do you say about not running a firewall, instantly hacked? |
| 02:14.45 | wookie | thomas_adam, sweet cheers |
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| 02:14.54 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: Will reboot after 30 seconds if a panick occurs. |
| 02:14.58 | thomas_adam | (or try to) |
| 02:15.00 | FieldySnuts | thomas_adam: seriously? |
| 02:15.00 | dondelelcaro | ashtar: not if you know what you're doing. |
| 02:15.04 | dgtldellmoon | greetings, any ideas how i can recompile a source i have instaleld with "apt-get source foo --build" without having to start the whole recompile process over again if ive made a patch to one of the files ? |
| 02:15.05 | StrykerUnit | thomas_adam would u be interesting in adopting a package with me? |
| 02:15.09 | FieldySnuts | !what does thomas_adam pay you for? |
| 02:15.10 | dpkg | normally thomas_adam insists on genital shaving, fieldysnuts, but I'm open to suggestions! |
| 02:15.11 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: according to the boot-prompt howtom ate, |
| 02:15.17 | FieldySnuts | thomas_adam: nice |
| 02:15.20 | thomas_adam | FieldySnuts: i still read thar as.... |
| 02:15.28 | thomas_adam | StrykerUnit: what kind? |
| 02:15.29 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 02:15.37 | StrykerUnit | an IRC app |
| 02:15.40 | thomas_adam | No. |
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| 02:15.51 | thomas_adam | There is already a tkirc app, ooh, tkIrc :) |
| 02:15.55 | dondelelcaro | dgtldellmoon: just fakeroot debian/rules binary. Only files that have been modified (or are in the tree of fiels that have) will be rebuilt |
| 02:15.56 | Psyke | can someone help me... i did crontab -e "*/30 * * * * echo "hello" > /tmp/foo" but nothing happens i think for some reason its not running it... i dont get any errors, and i made sure cron was started |
| 02:16.03 | StrykerUnit | uts called zircon |
| 02:16.12 | cafuego | dgtldellmoon: install ccache and re-run it (you'll need to recompile the lot at least once then) |
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| 02:16.23 | thomas_adam | Psyke: every 30 seconds? You mad? |
| 02:16.23 | dgtldellmoon | hmm ok thanks ill have a look |
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| 02:16.37 | EfaistOs | thomas_adam, i used bchunk to create an iso but it created two files ... dont know why |
| 02:16.41 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: that's every 30 minutes... |
| 02:16.43 | Psyke | just trying to get it to work.... isn't that every 30 minutes neway? |
| 02:16.44 | EfaistOs | with the first i can mount it |
| 02:17.11 | thomas_adam | I'm mad. yes. |
| 02:17.13 | dondelelcaro | Psyke: crontab -l; you see the crontab line, right? |
| 02:17.20 | dondelelcaro | Psyke: crond is running too, right? |
| 02:17.21 | Psyke | dondelelcaro yep |
| 02:17.27 | cafuego | Psyke: '/bin/echo', not 'echo' |
| 02:17.28 | thomas_adam | anacron usuallt. |
| 02:17.40 | Psyke | dondelelcaro i think so i did /etc/init.d/cron start |
| 02:17.44 | thomas_adam | echo is a builtin although the shell is still spawned to run it. |
| 02:17.45 | dgtldellmoon | dondelelcaro: what do you mean by " fakeroot debian/rules" binary? thats a config file ? |
| 02:17.53 | thomas_adam | dgtldellmoon: No. |
| 02:17.53 | cafuego | and I'm sure you'*/30 * * * * |
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| 02:18.10 | cafuego | Psyke: and I'm sure you'd want * 0/30 * * * |
| 02:18.14 | Psyke | cafuego shouldn't i be getting errors though if it were wrong? |
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| 02:18.20 | thomas_adam | cafuego: I don't think it matters. |
| 02:18.22 | dondelelcaro | dgtldellmoon: No. I mean, run fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 02:18.31 | thomas_adam | dgtldellmoon: hence chmod +cx |
| 02:18.31 | Phreak_ | Is the Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG supported by linux 2.6? |
| 02:18.36 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: eh? that makes no sense. |
| 02:18.39 | cafuego | no, nm that,. |
| 02:18.43 | thomas_adam | !lart thomas_adam's keyboard |
| 02:18.49 | dgtldellmoon | thomas_adam: silly question, what does the +c provide ? |
| 02:18.52 | dondelelcaro | ashtar: read /topic. Don't /msg people without asking. |
| 02:18.56 | cafuego | Phreak_: if it's a stupid centrino thing, no. |
| 02:18.59 | dgtldellmoon | dondelelcaro: got it! thanks |
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| 02:19.02 | thomas_adam | dgtldellmoon: It doesn't. My keyboard is fucked. Just +x |
| 02:19.11 | Phreak_ | cafuego: it is |
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| 02:19.19 | cafuego | Phreak_: Then it's not supported. |
| 02:19.21 | dondelelcaro | ashtar: if you don't know if you should have a firewall or not, that means you probably should. |
| 02:19.29 | Psyke | any ideas? i dont think its processing that line because i dont get errors or anything no matter what i put in there |
| 02:19.46 | Phreak_ | cafuego: I heard intel had drivers, do you know if thats true or false? |
| 02:19.49 | thomas_adam | Psyke: Why do it anyway? It's meaningless. |
| 02:20.06 | cafuego | Phreak_: No idea, but IF they do, they're not in 2.6 eh? |
| 02:20.08 | dondelelcaro | Psyke: well, set up a * * * * * touch /home/psyke/foo; you should see that work within a minute. |
| 02:20.19 | Phreak_ | cafuego: Right, well thanks. |
| 02:20.24 | Psyke | thomas_adam that wasn't my original goal i had it doing something else but i couldn't get it to work so i'm doing thise |
| 02:20.38 | thomas_adam | Psyke: Ok. |
| 02:20.39 | Psyke | dondelelcaro just "* * * * * touch /home/psyke/foo' ? |
| 02:20.43 | dondelelcaro | Psyke: if that's not working, than cron isn't processing crontabs for whatever reason. |
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| 02:20.55 | vladkao | "then" |
| 02:21.06 | dondelelcaro | !spelling ability |
| 02:21.06 | dpkg | dondelelcaro is completely incapable of spelling. However, his grammar be impeccable. |
| 02:21.10 | Psyke | dondelelcaro how can i tell if that works? what does touch do |
| 02:21.24 | vladkao | it touches ;) |
| 02:21.30 | wookie | if i dont want services running on boot can i just delete the sym links out of the RCx.d dirs? |
| 02:21.38 | vladkao | Psyke: man touch |
| 02:21.50 | thomas_adam | wookie: apt-get install rcconf && man update-rc.d |
| 02:21.54 | vladkao | wookie: yes, but there is a better way |
| 02:21.56 | dondelelcaro | Psyke: it'll make a file foo on the first invocation, then it will update the file's mtime and atime every subsequent time its run. |
| 02:21.56 | Psyke | ohh okay i see... |
| 02:22.04 | thomas_adam | wookie: rcconf 'll help you though. makes it easy. |
| 02:22.46 | Psyke | ohh okay it is working... |
| 02:23.18 | gravity | hehe |
| 02:23.25 | Psyke | any idea why "*/30 * * * * /usr/bin/fbsetbg -R /home/denix/.fluxbox/backgrounds" wouldnt' work? |
| 02:23.56 | thomas_adam | yes |
| 02:24.02 | thomas_adam | your cron install is fucked. |
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| 02:24.04 | dondelelcaro | Psyke: first off, does /usr/bin/fbsetbg -R /home/denix/.fluxbox/backgrounds; work? |
| 02:24.12 | cafuego | thanks you, dpkg |
| 02:24.12 | Psyke | thomas_adam i just said it worked |
| 02:24.34 | Psyke | dondelelcaro yep |
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| 02:25.12 | dondelelcaro | Psyke: well, that cron recipe will run every 30 minutes... so you'll have to wait another 28 minutes. |
| 02:25.17 | cafuego | Psyke: Does that command need a connection to the X server, which cron won't be able to make coz it's not authorised? |
| 02:25.28 | Psyke | cafuego no idea |
| 02:25.36 | thomas_adam | cafuego: hmm |
| 02:25.40 | Psyke | dondelelcaro well i'm just doing * now... |
| 02:25.43 | Psyke | to try and get it to work |
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| 02:25.55 | dondelelcaro | Psyke: you do have MAILTO="" set up correctly, right? or some sort of logging for your cronjobs? man 5 crontab. |
| 02:26.04 | cafuego | Well, it might mail you a 'connection refused' mail i suppose |
| 02:26.05 | vladkao | cafuego: it should be running as the user, to wich that script belongs, right ? |
| 02:26.07 | Psyke | dondelelcaro i'lll check it out gimme a min |
| 02:26.28 | cafuego | vladkao: Yes, but not with all environmenals set, like say $DISPLAY. |
| 02:26.54 | Psyke | dondelelcaro i just add mailto="psyke" in crontab -e to get the errors? |
| 02:26.55 | Justin | Psyke: what is "fbsetbg" supposed to DO? |
| 02:27.11 | Psyke | justin change the background in fluxbox |
| 02:27.12 | cafuego | Justin: looks like 'fluxbox set background' if you ask me. |
| 02:27.25 | vladkao | cafuego: so if he adds it there (in the crontab) ? |
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| 02:27.45 | thomas_adam | chbg would do just as well. |
| 02:27.54 | Psyke | chbg? |
| 02:28.03 | cafuego | vladkao: No idea if that would even work. Having a custom script that sets env vars and THEN runs fbsetbg might perhaps work... |
| 02:28.08 | igraltist | 5 crontab |
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| 02:28.13 | igraltist | ups |
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| 02:28.28 | vladkao | cafuego: exactly :) |
| 02:28.45 | dondelelcaro | Psyke: you'll probably need to DISPLAY=":0" fbsetbg or whatever as well. No clue how your xserver is setup. |
| 02:28.48 | cafuego | !supported by |
| 02:28.48 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
| 02:29.03 | Psyke | dondelelcaro okay i'll try that but if i add "mailto=psyke" it should mail me errors right? |
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| 02:29.18 | dondelelcaro | Psyke: assuming you setup your MTA correctly, yes. |
| 02:29.23 | Psyke | mta? |
| 02:29.28 | Octalthorpe | cafuego : Impressive. |
| 02:29.28 | wookie | thomas_adam, cheers again. I dont do any GUI stuff, only CLI via putty. is XFS needed then? |
| 02:29.31 | dondelelcaro | !mta |
| 02:29.31 | dpkg | somebody said mta was a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 02:29.41 | Psyke | thanks :) |
| 02:29.50 | thomas_adam | wookie: Nah. :) |
| 02:29.55 | dondelelcaro | Psyke: you *did* follow the exim configuration, right? [or installed nullmailer, or similar...] |
| 02:30.15 | Psyke | dondelelcaro no idea i recieve mail as root though |
| 02:30.21 | invisibill | My localhost ldap server does not work with Evolution 1.4.6 on sarge. Does anyone know any tweaks? |
| 02:30.43 | wookie | thomas_adam, ok...doing a big clean here... the deb box is a firewall is is plugged into a ADSL router...do i need PPP installed if all the login bits are down on the touter? |
| 02:30.59 | thomas_adam | wookie: Yes, definitely. |
| 02:31.21 | wookie | ok |
| 02:32.04 | thomas_adam | wookie: Although I am off to bed now. So night night. :0 |
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| 02:32.36 | wookie | thomas_adam, ok thanks again |
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| 02:32.49 | thomas_adam | wookie: No problem. |
| 02:32.53 | cafuego | wookie: if the dsl router runs PPPoE or PPPoA, you won't need ppp on the debian box sitting behind it. |
| 02:33.05 | wookie | i think it does.. |
| 02:33.20 | cafuego | wookie: Can the router go online by istelf and get an Ip? |
| 02:33.36 | igraltist | i will stop that crontab send me a mail because every 1 min he mails me, is it enough MAILTO=no . mayby he says use no not exist |
| 02:34.51 | Psyke | how can i change 'su' so it doesn't pause when login fails |
| 02:34.54 | invisibill | compWizrd: do you know about LDAP settings for Evolution? |
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| 02:35.15 | Octalthorpe | Psyke: I don't believe it's a "pause," per se. I think it's trying to find another way to verify you.. But there really isn't one. But it tries. |
| 02:35.16 | dondelelcaro | Psyke: you don't. |
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| 02:35.32 | bghfhfg | Does Debian have any of the problems with spyware that plague Windoze? |
| 02:35.37 | Octalthorpe | bghfhfg : No. |
| 02:35.43 | Psyke | i was told there was a way... and the delay from failed login is to prevent ppl from brute forcing |
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| 02:36.08 | Octalthorpe | bghfhfg : Especially if you use it intelligently- I.e., don't do anything as root that you can do as a mortal, or with fakeroot. |
| 02:36.21 | cafuego | Psyke: Why don't you get the person who told you there was a way to explain what that way is? |
| 02:36.41 | Psyke | cafuego cause this was a few weeks ago in here and i have no idea who it was :) |
| 02:36.43 | EfaistOs | i have a little problem maybe someone already had it ... i have bin/cue files and i'm using bchunk to create an iso file but it generates two files because in the cue file there are two tracks ... it seems that is a vcd format ... i can mount the first file but not the second one :-( does someone have a solution how to do it ? |
| 02:36.45 | dondelelcaro | Psyke: you can munge libpam to get rid of it, but you'll know how to do that when you understand enough to know why it's there. |
| 02:36.57 | dondelelcaro | !cue |
| 02:36.59 | Justin | EfaistOs: mplayer file.bin |
| 02:37.09 | vladkao | Psyke: tou talking about the console login pause ? |
| 02:37.15 | Psyke | blah not doin all that... i thought i could just edit file and change a numbe or two |
| 02:37.17 | Octalthorpe | dondelelcaro : Deep. |
| 02:37.20 | vladkao | Psyke: not su. getty |
| 02:37.31 | dondelelcaro | !bin/cue |
| 02:37.31 | dpkg | [bin/cue] a cd image file format used by CDRWin. cdrdao can burn these images |
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| 02:37.40 | Psyke | vladkao from a terminal when i 'su' and type the wrong password is pauses for like 3 seconds |
| 02:37.55 | vladkao | Psyke: yes. it should. live with it |
| 02:37.57 | wookie | cafuego, yes |
| 02:38.05 | Octalthorpe | Blee. So, I'm using ALSA, right? Except that only one application can play sound at one time. Did I forget to do something? |
| 02:38.05 | vladkao | and don't supply wron passwords |
| 02:38.11 | cafuego | Psyke: 'sudo' - also, typing the right password makes it not pause <heh> |
| 02:38.19 | cafuego | wookie: yeah, no ppp needed then |
| 02:38.37 | EfaistOs | Justin its working |
| 02:38.45 | wookie | cafuego, it is all good deleting the sym links but what about getting rid of them altogether from the system/.... apt-get remove? |
| 02:38.57 | cafuego | wookie: symlinks? |
| 02:39.18 | ricochet | I am trying to get X working, sid, just updated a lot of packages and the kernel to 2.6.6, changed x mouse config /dev/input/mice, it worked once, i rebooted and now it says Cannot open device, driver? its a dell laptop. dpkg --configure xfree86-common fails too |
| 02:39.26 | dondelelcaro | bah. any password that you can type more with more than 80% accuracy is too easy. |
| 02:39.49 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: haven't you hacked sudo to use ssg-agent yet? |
| 02:40.09 | Octalthorpe | ricochet : For the latter, try 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:40.10 | Octalthorpe | ' |
| 02:40.17 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: also see ^F as password - easy to type, not easy to crack ;-) |
| 02:40.27 | buu | Anyone have any ideas how I could get a pci card thats not being detected by lspci, to get detected? It works fine on a different computer running the exact same software( debian unstable, 2.6.6-1-686 )? |
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| 02:40.41 | buu | By works fine, I mean it's detected fine. |
| 02:40.41 | wookie | cafuego, yup |
| 02:40.43 | Octalthorpe | ricochet : Also, you'll need to be more specific about what device it can't open? |
| 02:40.51 | Justin | dondelelcaro: I saw a guy(paraoid, crazy etc) type his password once, it was like !Q@W#E$R%T^Y&U*I(O)Psomethinghere |
| 02:40.54 | buu | I've tried different pci slots, moving the card, removing pci slot cards |
| 02:40.57 | cafuego | wookie: If you're cleaning up stuff, run 'debfoster' and 'deborphan'. Any leftovers (config files) can be removed with dpkg -P <package> |
| 02:41.04 | wookie | cafuego, sym links out of the rcx.d dires |
| 02:41.10 | Octalthorpe | buu : In my experience, that /usually/ means there aren't drivers.. But I could be making things up again. |
| 02:41.16 | Octalthorpe | buu: So, are you sure you have kernel support for it? |
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| 02:41.24 | buu | Octalthorpe, Well, I know there aren't drivers, but I just want lspci to find it |
| 02:41.26 | Justin | buu: "not being detected? |
| 02:41.39 | buu | Justin, It's plugged in to the mobo but lspci shows no sign. |
| 02:41.54 | Octalthorpe | buu: Maybe your BIOS is set to PnP OS... Or not set to PnP OS. I'm never quite sure on that one. |
| 02:42.05 | buu | Octalthorpe, I think pnp is on |
| 02:42.08 | cafuego | it's not plugged in to a VESA slot is it? |
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| 02:42.28 | cafuego | or ISA? |
| 02:42.32 | buu | cafuego, don't think so. Short white slot, two "sections" one really short, one long |
| 02:42.45 | cafuego | buu: that's fine then. |
| 02:42.54 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah... only problem with some of those passwords is that some systems have bugs with them... |
| 02:43.09 | buu | I have another computer, another p2 running deb unstable, 2.6.6, and it finds the card just fine. |
| 02:43.10 | Justin | buu: is it plugged in securely? |
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| 02:43.17 | buu | Justin, As securely as I can get it |
| 02:43.23 | ricochet | Octalthorpe, xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice no such device |
| 02:43.25 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Surely nobody needs to use Windows, which can't handle them. |
| 02:43.34 | ardy | does anyone know the encoder I need to have to rip cd to mp3s? |
| 02:43.55 | Octalthorpe | ricochet : Please /msg me the lines in your /etc/X11/XF86config-4 describing your mouse. |
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| 02:44.21 | Octalthorpe | buu : Did you try swapping the cards? |
| 02:44.30 | Octalthorpe | !tell ardy about abcde |
| 02:44.57 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: I don't anymore... but back in the dark days of yore, I did... |
| 02:45.50 | gokee2_ | Hi again |
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| 02:46.06 | buu | Octalthorpe, yar |
| 02:46.11 | buu | several times |
| 02:46.13 | Octalthorpe | So, does anybody have any insight as to why sound would only be able to play from one application at a time, with ALSA? |
| 02:46.17 | gokee2_ | I need yo know if I can see and movie hidden files with koncerer |
| 02:46.18 | ardy | thanks |
| 02:46.20 | Octalthorpe | buu : And both cards work in the working computer, right? |
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| 02:46.32 | buu | Octalthorpe, er, theres only one card, but yes |
| 02:46.32 | Octalthorpe | ardy : No problem. |
| 02:46.38 | Octalthorpe | buu : Ahh. |
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| 02:46.52 | Octalthorpe | buu : Are they the exact same hardware, or just.. both P2s? |
| 02:46.59 | gokee2_ | any help? |
| 02:47.12 | Octalthorpe | gokee2_ : I don't understand the question. |
| 02:47.13 | buu | Octalthorpe, just both p2s |
| 02:47.21 | gokee2_ | I want to move my old home to my new home |
| 02:47.35 | gokee2_ | and want to know the "best" way |
| 02:47.35 | Octalthorpe | gokee2_ : U-Haul? |
| 02:47.46 | gravity | mv |
| 02:47.48 | gokee2_ | haha |
| 02:47.56 | Octalthorpe | Depends on how much money you want to spend. You can do it yourself, but it's a bit o' work. Or you can higher someone, but that costs a bit of money. |
| 02:47.58 | gravity | Or cp -r, if you're so inclined |
| 02:48.09 | gokee2_ | I did cp /oldhome /newhome |
| 02:48.26 | gokee2_ | cd -R I did |
| 02:48.28 | gokee2_ | I mean |
| 02:48.42 | Octalthorpe | cp -r? |
| 02:48.44 | Octalthorpe | or cd -r? |
| 02:48.52 | gokee2_ | cp -R |
| 02:49.14 | Octalthorpe | That should've done it. But then again, I don't use KDE, so I know about this much (-><-) about it. |
| 02:49.32 | gokee2_ | O |
| 02:49.34 | gokee2_ | :( |
| 02:49.41 | vladkao | Octalthorpe: it's just a directory. |
| 02:49.59 | vladkao | gokee2_: yes, you can see hidden files with koqueror |
| 02:49.59 | Octalthorpe | vladkao : Good to know. |
| 02:50.02 | gravity | gokee2_: Did your cp command just not work? |
| 02:50.09 | gokee2_ | it worked |
| 02:50.10 | gravity | That's pretty infallible, if your permissions are correct |
| 02:50.15 | gravity | gokee2_: So... what's the problem? |
| 02:50.22 | gokee2_ | but did not move the hidden files |
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| 02:50.59 | gokee2_ | How do you view hidden files with koqueror? |
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| 02:51.04 | vladkao | gokee2_: use tar. whatever that means :) |
| 02:51.17 | gokee2_ | ? |
| 02:51.21 | gokee2_ | huh? |
| 02:51.27 | gokee2_ | tar? |
| 02:51.40 | vladkao | you don't know about tar? |
| 02:51.41 | gravity | gokee2_: Try using [.]* or something |
| 02:51.58 | vladkao | oh, .* is not a good idea :) |
| 02:52.13 | vladkao | ah, [.]* yes yes |
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| 02:52.19 | gokee2_ | I did :cp -R /mnt/oldhome* /home/Gokee2 |
| 02:52.46 | Octalthorpe | gokee2_ : And what happened? |
| 02:52.49 | gravity | gokee2_: Try just moving the directory. cp -R /mnt/oldhome /home/Gokee2 |
| 02:52.56 | gravity | That should move everything |
| 02:52.56 | Justin | using * with most unix programs is almost ALWAYS wrong. |
| 02:53.20 | gokee2_ | ok |
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| 02:55.49 | gokee2_ | its going |
| 02:55.57 | cromero | is there anythign i should know before moving from 2.4.26 to 2.6.5?.. about compiling and stuff |
| 02:56.21 | medgno | cromero: if you run nvidia drivers, they must be recompiled |
| 02:56.37 | Octalthorpe | cromero : You'll need the "module-init-tools" package. |
| 02:57.03 | Octalthorpe | cromero : 2.6.6 is the newest. |
| 02:57.11 | cromero | medgno: the nvidia .run installer also work right? |
| 02:57.23 | medgno | cromero: that's how i always installed my nvidia drivers |
| 02:57.28 | bug^ | cromero: read Changes in Documentation/ |
| 02:57.33 | medgno | Octalthorpe: but doesn't 2.6.6 have some issues? |
| 02:57.41 | cromero | Octalthorpe: thx i already have that package and im changing just to try something |
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| 02:57.53 | Octalthorpe | medgno : Perhaps. I'm a bit out of touch. |
| 02:57.55 | cromero | Octalthorpe: i have 2.6.5 here so i dont care that much |
| 02:57.59 | holycow | just out of curiosity, is gpm a good idea or a bad idea? what would be the need for gpm of x11 seems to handle mouse events just fine? perhaps it would help in hotpluging mice if your switching stuff around live? |
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| 02:58.07 | vali | medgno, issues ? |
| 02:58.14 | Octalthorpe | holycow : gpm works in console. |
| 02:58.19 | vladkao | holycow: gpm is console mouse service |
| 02:58.22 | Octalthorpe | holycow : You can copy and paste text in the console with your mouse. |
| 02:58.27 | vladkao | holycow: it has nothing to do with X |
| 02:58.48 | medgno | vali: yeah, i think i heard that the 4k stack things caused the nvidia drivers to crap out, for one |
| 02:58.49 | holycow | ohhh... really? |
| 02:59.09 | Octalthorpe | holycow : No, we're lying. :P Yes. Really. |
| 02:59.12 | cromero | so heres the thing... i compiled it an booted fine for the first time, without dhcp (probably i forgot something) some issue with sound but the weirdest is that modconf didnt show a thing |
| 02:59.20 | gravity | Well, gpm does interfere with the mouse detection stuff, so X needs to be configured for gpm |
| 02:59.29 | holycow | hehe :) danke appreciate it |
| 02:59.30 | vali | uhmmm... radeon here ;) |
| 02:59.32 | gravity | But yeah, it's totally separate from X aside from that |
| 02:59.57 | cromero | i did make then make modules_install and copied the bzImage to the location i have configured lilo to look for it |
| 03:00.03 | medgno | vali: hehe, and i'm not sure if that's true or not, but i'm happy and stable on 2.6.5, so i'm sitting tight |
| 03:00.05 | vladkao | gravity: but X can live without gpm, so ... |
| 03:00.08 | gravity | Yep |
| 03:00.09 | holycow | *nod* appreciate it |
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| 03:00.15 | cromero | and btw i could boot once, the second or third attempt was imposible |
| 03:00.23 | miles800 | IS there a package in apt for ROX? |
| 03:00.33 | gravity | vladkao: But I just wanted to make sure he knew that X had to be aware of gpm if it was around |
| 03:00.44 | vladkao | gravity: ok ok, agreed :) |
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| 03:01.00 | medgno | miles800: no, but there is an apt repository on the rox webpage |
| 03:01.01 | gravity | miles800: No. It's sort of a bitch to package because it's got its own weird upstream packaging system |
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| 03:01.30 | miles800 | Is it better than nautilus or am I wasting time? |
| 03:01.41 | cromero | medgno: other than copying the bzImage to the location i use it.. what should i do |
| 03:01.48 | vladkao | what's nautilus good for ? |
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| 03:02.07 | gravity | I like nautilus, although the gnome 2.4 version has a few rough edges |
| 03:02.08 | medgno | cromero: for upgrading kernels? i just use the prebuilt ones, sorry :( |
| 03:02.24 | cromero | medgno: and what could be the reason modconf wont show a single module |
| 03:02.25 | pmiller9 | how do I burn cds without using scsi emulation?? |
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| 03:02.38 | medgno | cromero: sorry, i haven't a clue |
| 03:02.39 | gravity | pmiller9: You can't without upgrading to a 2.6 kernel |
| 03:02.48 | gravity | afaik |
| 03:02.48 | pmiller9 | gravity: I'm running 2.6.6 |
| 03:02.51 | cromero | medgno: k thx neway |
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| 03:03.06 | gravity | pmiller9: Just use the ide-cd module, if I remember right, and it should work fine |
| 03:03.12 | gravity | pmiller9: k3b has no issues with it |
| 03:03.27 | peterS | pmiller9: yeah, just 'cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc' or whatever your CDRW device is |
| 03:03.29 | cromero | can someone give me a quick hint on upgrading to 2.6 plz?? |
| 03:03.34 | dan2 | peterS: hey |
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| 03:03.35 | pmiller9 | gravity: hmm... ok |
| 03:03.36 | cromero | just some minor questions |
| 03:03.38 | elhim | lo |
| 03:03.40 | peterS | hiya, dan2 |
| 03:03.50 | miles800 | vladkao: I like to have a gui file manager |
| 03:04.00 | gravity | cromero: Just ask your questions and if we can answer them, we will |
| 03:04.06 | vladkao | miles800: cool! |
| 03:04.12 | overflow | Hi, what can I use to replicate a installed&configured system to other machines (with the same hardware configuration) and with and easy to use installer? |
| 03:04.15 | vladkao | me too :) |
| 03:04.19 | gokee2_ | Thanks all it worked :) |
| 03:04.34 | elhim | i want discover to install it's default discover.conf, but it does not get installed for some reason, and i know that it is supposed to (but not 100% sure) any ideas what the problem is? |
| 03:04.44 | peterS | overflow: that's what 'fai' was invented for |
| 03:04.49 | cromero | i compiled 2.6.5 no errors... make then make modules_install and copied the bzImage to the location i used.. ne other thing i need to do? |
| 03:04.53 | gravity | elhim: Do you have a discover.conf present already? |
| 03:04.54 | peterS | overflow: it's somewhat complex to set up, but apparently pretty easy to deploy once you have it set up |
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| 03:05.08 | elhim | gravity: yes |
| 03:05.13 | cromero | location i use it* |
| 03:05.17 | overflow | peterS: fai? ok .. thanks let me check |
| 03:05.18 | elhim | and when i don't nothing changes |
| 03:05.19 | gravity | elhim: Purge the discover package and reinstall it |
| 03:05.25 | elhim | yeah i tried that :/ |
| 03:05.29 | elhim | i'll try again though |
| 03:05.37 | gravity | elhim: If the file is still around after you purge the package, delete it by hand before you reinstall |
| 03:05.42 | gravity | elhim: Make sure you purge, not just remove |
| 03:05.50 | cromero | when i booted into my 2.6 kernel modconf wouldnt show a single module |
| 03:05.53 | cromero | why is that? |
| 03:06.01 | elhim | gravity: yeah i know, that's what i'm doing |
| 03:06.05 | gravity | Ok |
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| 03:06.30 | elhim | only discover-modprobe.conf |
| 03:06.35 | gravity | cromero: What modconf are you running? From woody? |
| 03:06.38 | elhim | or is that all that's supposed to be there? |
| 03:06.42 | igraltist | how can i do this that my cronjob include a configfile from a non root user. i start the program with -f /home/my_privat.conf option , this i need als some who in crontab |
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| 03:07.05 | gravity | elhim: If you purge the package, no conffiles should be left |
| 03:07.16 | gravity | Right now you're making me wish I knew discover2's packaging setup |
| 03:07.29 | cromero | gravity: i guess so i havent changed it ever |
| 03:07.31 | cafuego | provided the package maintainer did their job properly |
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| 03:07.37 | elhim | discover2? let me check that |
| 03:07.38 | pmiller9 | gravity: thanks |
| 03:07.43 | peterS | cafuego: well, he said conffiles |
| 03:07.46 | gravity | cromero: Ok, that's why. It's not updated |
| 03:07.55 | elhim | gravity: thnx for assistance |
| 03:07.56 | gravity | cafuego: It's up to dpkg to remove conffiles |
| 03:07.59 | cromero | gravity: do i just apt-get it? |
| 03:08.04 | peterS | cafuego: conffiles are the subset of configuration files managed by dpkg as conffiles |
| 03:08.15 | gravity | cromero: Did you update your modtools package? |
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| 03:08.27 | cafuego | gravity/peterS: From context I'd assume he means 'configuration files' rather then 'file listed in conffiles in the package'. |
| 03:08.36 | cromero | yes if u mean module-init-tools and modutils |
| 03:08.40 | gravity | Yeah, that's it |
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| 03:08.48 | cromero | gravity: yes if u mean module-init-tools and modutils |
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| 03:08.57 | nornagon | Hiya |
| 03:09.02 | gravity | elhim: Don't bother with discover1 |
| 03:09.06 | gravity | It's dead upstream |
| 03:09.11 | gravity | And it's not being too well cared for right now |
| 03:09.16 | nornagon | just wondering how I might install nvidia drivers |
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| 03:09.30 | elhim | gravity: oh, really? |
| 03:09.34 | gravity | Yes |
| 03:09.41 | cafuego | nornagon: The docs that come with the package are pretty clear. |
| 03:09.51 | dan2 | gravity: weren't you upstream for discover1? |
| 03:10.01 | gravity | dan2: No, that would be progeny |
| 03:10.06 | peterS | dan2: no, he's the linux maintainer, not upstream |
| 03:10.06 | gravity | dan2: I'm just a debian maintainer |
| 03:10.11 | cafuego | Not dyslexic, though? |
| 03:10.11 | elhim | i kinda screwed up my discover.conf. and the new one (with xml and all) is not being installed. i try the discover.conf manual page example, but it doesn't work |
| 03:10.13 | peterS | s/linux/debian/ (: |
| 03:10.23 | dan2 | gravity: sole purpose of discover1 is for d-i these days eh? |
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| 03:10.32 | elhim | d-i? |
| 03:10.37 | peterS | elhim: debian-installer |
| 03:10.40 | elhim | oh |
| 03:10.41 | gravity | elhim: Like I said. Purge the package. Delete any discover files that are still hanging around. Then reinstall. |
| 03:10.44 | gravity | dan2: Yes |
| 03:10.48 | elhim | gravity: doesn't help |
| 03:10.55 | gravity | elhim: That can't be right |
| 03:10.57 | nornagon | Where can I get my hands on this nvidia package you speak of? |
| 03:10.58 | elhim | it only install discover-modprobe.conf |
| 03:11.07 | elhim | gravity: i know :) that's exactly my problem |
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| 03:11.17 | sussudio | elhim: lions? |
| 03:11.28 | gravity | elhim: So... now the package fails to install the conffiles? |
| 03:11.37 | peterS | sussudio: holy crap |
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| 03:11.51 | cromero | gravity: after i compile do i need to do nething other than copying the bzImage to the location lilo is going to look for it? |
| 03:11.59 | sussudio | peterS: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/holycrap!.jpg |
| 03:12.04 | gravity | cromero: I don't know. I haven't compiled a 2.6 kernel ever |
| 03:12.13 | gravity | cromero: And it's been well over a year since I compiled my own kernel |
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| 03:12.19 | cromero | gravity: k thx for ur help neway |
| 03:12.23 | peterS | cromero: 'make modules_install' as well, same as with all linux kernels |
| 03:12.23 | elhim | gravity: oh, hm looks like it installed the file after i installed discover1 and then reinstalled discover o_0 |
| 03:12.27 | elhim | totaly strange |
| 03:12.31 | sussudio | !aolify cromero |
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| 03:12.34 | peterS | cromero: and copy the System.map to /boot/System.map-{version} |
| 03:12.36 | elhim | anyway i'll check what it did and what it didn't |
| 03:12.41 | gravity | sussudio: Thanks |
| 03:12.46 | peterS | cromero: and it doesn't hurt to copy .config to /boot/config-{version} as well |
| 03:12.57 | cromero | peterS: did that... :o that alst one thing i didnt do |
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| 03:13.03 | cromero | peterS: thx |
| 03:13.12 | peterS | cromero: well, it's not required, but it's handy to have the config file in a known place like that |
| 03:13.25 | cafuego | nikal: 'apt-cache search nvidia' will list package manes and a short description. You cna install them with 'apt-get install <package name.'. The docs will be in /usr/share/doc<package name> |
| 03:13.44 | elhim | gravity: is there any speed improvement? |
| 03:13.45 | cromero | peterS: yes i understand that... but what exactly is the System.map thing for? |
| 03:13.53 | cafuego | *grr* |
| 03:13.54 | gravity | elhim: Speed improvement? In what? |
| 03:13.56 | cafuego | !deblexic |
| 03:13.56 | dpkg | Dictionary 'deblexic' (1 shown): having impaired ability to comprehend written manuals, HOWTOS and README files usually associated with relatively easy-to-use software. |
| 03:14.02 | peterS | cromero: for finding symbol information for things like oops messages |
| 03:14.05 | elhim | gravity: when you compile the kernel on your own comp |
| 03:14.16 | gravity | elhim: I never noticed anything substantial. |
| 03:14.19 | elhim | i dunno, i tried it once, didn't work well, never did again |
| 03:14.23 | overflow | peterS: mmm fai, but it looks like only works with net installation, I want to create a CD autoinstaller |
| 03:14.23 | peterS | cromero: formerly it was also used for things like the 'ps' command, but that information is like 8 years old now |
| 03:14.27 | elhim | don't need it either |
| 03:14.35 | peterS | overflow: dunno what your options are for that, then |
| 03:14.45 | cromero | peterS: so i need to tell lilo to use that instead of just /boot/map? |
| 03:14.57 | gravity | elhim: It's one of those things. If you really want to play with custom patchsets and things, then it's obviously worthwhile. But for most people it's more pain than it's worth |
| 03:15.13 | gravity | But then, I compiled my own kernels for years, so I'm kind of tired of the whole thing. The novelty is gone. |
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| 03:15.42 | elhim | gravity: that's what i thought |
| 03:15.43 | elhim | :) |
| 03:16.08 | cafuego | the advantage of not having to have an initrd with a custom kernel still wins pants down |
| 03:16.08 | dan2 | gravity: if you looked at the lineup for our new kernel maintenance team, I don't think Ill be compiling my own kernels anymore |
| 03:16.13 | Josh- | i always compile my own, im just used to it. |
| 03:16.13 | elhim | damn, man for discover.conf isn't very informative |
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| 03:16.32 | dan2 | gravity: or at least I ll be using debian kernel source |
| 03:16.36 | gravity | dan2: I haven't been following that story at all yet. I figure that it'll fall in to place |
| 03:16.46 | dan2 | gravity: Al Viro is the core maintainer for it |
| 03:16.50 | dan2 | gravity: ;) |
| 03:16.53 | gravity | Cool |
| 03:17.05 | dan2 | gravity: and Arjan from redhat is also helping |
| 03:17.10 | gravity | Interesting |
| 03:17.19 | dan2 | gravity: I think its going to be pretty mighty |
| 03:17.38 | cafuego | dan2: Neither of those know ANYTHING about my computers. How would they be better suited than me to compile a kernel for me to use? |
| 03:17.39 | cromero | peterS: nething i should know to enable dhcp? |
| 03:17.42 | gravity | Well, it's going to take a lot to replace Herbert. He was great. |
| 03:17.45 | dan2 | gravity: and say goodbye to cramfs initrds. I recall Al Viro hating those. We are going to have ext2 initrds my guess. |
| 03:17.54 | StrykerUnit | if anyone is interested in starting a Linux Talk Show join #linux |
| 03:17.57 | StrykerUnit | if anyone is interested in starting a Linux Talk Show join #linuxradio** |
| 03:18.03 | gravity | The initrd issue doesn't bother me. |
| 03:18.19 | gravity | Oh no! An initrd! It eats 2 seconds while it decompresses at boot! The horror! |
| 03:18.20 | cafuego | StrykerUnit: Nobody is interested in your spam. join '/disco lights on' |
| 03:18.57 | cafuego | gravity: it's more the 'lsmod' output spam I object to. |
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| 03:19.19 | gravity | cafuego: That's fair, although it's not a big issue for me |
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| 03:19.25 | cafuego | gravity: plus IT DOESN'T WORK on all archs |
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| 03:19.32 | gravity | I spend a lot less time paging through extra lsmod output than I do compiling my own kernels |
| 03:20.03 | cromero | cafuego: nething i should be aware of to enable dhcp on a 2.6 kernel? |
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| 03:20.20 | cafuego | gravity: compiling a kernel is a matter of patch; make oldconfig; make-kpkg; dpkg -i - 5 mins tops. |
| 03:20.24 | cacheson | anyone know how to enable anonymous access in CUPS? it seems to be ignoring what I put in the config file... |
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| 03:20.36 | cafuego | cromero: what's an 'nething' ? |
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| 03:20.55 | gravity | cafuego: I always seem to need some new module or some shit though. That annoys the hell out of me. |
| 03:21.24 | gravity | Not that make modules again is that hard, just annoying |
| 03:21.33 | cafuego | gravity: You can still enable those in your own kernel, without resoring to having say scsi, ide, base FSes and iptables support as modules |
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| 03:21.38 | dan2 | gravity: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg01441.html |
| 03:21.39 | gravity | Plus, when kernels get released quick, I'd rather just have apt autodownload shit and not have to deal |
| 03:21.48 | dan2 | gravity: listed there is our kernel maintainence team |
| 03:21.52 | gravity | dan2: It's somewhere in my mailbox, I'll read it when I get through it |
| 03:22.03 | gravity | dan2: I've got a lot of email backup right now that needs to be read |
| 03:22.09 | cafuego | Hmm, breakfast is ready. |
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| 03:22.35 | gravity | dan2: Thanks for the link though |
| 03:22.35 | cromero | cafuego: something that i need to pay attention while selecting the kernel modules and built-in |
| 03:22.43 | dan2 | gravity: np |
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| 03:23.08 | gravity | drowning, even |
| 03:24.09 | StrykerUnit | if anyone is interested in starting a Linux Talk Show join #linuxradio |
| 03:24.46 | x|e | Away: ( Sleeping? ) | Since: ( Sat May 22 23:35:44 2004 ) Xlack v1.7 |
| 03:25.00 | medgno | If anyone is interested in a kickban, please keep talking about a Linux Talk Show |
| 03:25.24 | StrykerUnit | hey ok miss out whatever |
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| 03:31.39 | gravity | Ok... I have a very important question for the channel |
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| 03:31.46 | gravity | frozen bubble or mahjong? |
| 03:31.50 | elhim | damn, discover is getting on my nerves |
| 03:31.53 | medgno | frozen bubble. |
| 03:32.04 | gravity | frozen bubble it is |
| 03:32.06 | elhim | mount: /dev/scd0 is not a valid block device - what could cause this? |
| 03:32.19 | medgno | gravity: what did i just decide? |
| 03:32.26 | gravity | medgno: What I'm going to play right now :-) |
| 03:32.27 | elhim | i got all the busses in discover.conf |
| 03:32.33 | medgno | ah, righto |
| 03:32.36 | fryguy | elhim, improperly burned cd, no cd in the drive, trying to mount an audio cd... |
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| 03:33.05 | rusty1 | I'm having some trouble setting my PS1 prompt |
| 03:33.18 | swtaarrs | If a critical hole is found on something like ssh, will a fix be in stable quickly? |
| 03:33.19 | elhim | fryguy: cd's are perfectly fine |
| 03:33.29 | peterS | swtaarrs: yes |
| 03:33.34 | tcsetattr | elhim, you don't have the scsi CD driver loaded |
| 03:33.35 | elhim | but both of my cdrom's don't work in debian anymore for some reason |
| 03:33.47 | swtaarrs | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 03:33.51 | elhim | tcsetattr: how? |
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| 03:34.00 | elhim | tcsetattr: i mean what module? |
| 03:34.03 | peterS | elhim: sr_mod |
| 03:34.06 | tcsetattr | modprobe sr_mod, I think |
| 03:34.10 | elhim | oh okay, sec |
| 03:34.14 | rusty1 | I have my PS1 using this script: http://rusty.lalkaka.com/temp/prompt.txt |
| 03:34.14 | tcsetattr | or you can compile it into the kernel. |
| 03:34.15 | vali | elhim, no scsi support in kernel ? |
| 03:34.28 | elhim | it's there |
| 03:34.31 | rusty1 | But the load average only updates when I source my .profile |
| 03:34.40 | elhim | it worked perfectly fine until an upgrade 4 days ago |
| 03:34.48 | peterS | elhim: upgrade of what? |
| 03:34.53 | tcsetattr | slhim, how about the driver for your scsi controller? |
| 03:35.47 | peterS | elhim: yeah, "not a valid block device" sounds more like a scsi controller missing than sr_mod missing, come to think of it |
| 03:35.54 | elhim | peterS: of system |
| 03:35.55 | tcsetattr | or if it's ide-scsi then check lsmod for ide-scsi and /proc/cmdline for hdx=ide-scsi |
| 03:36.12 | elhim | peterS: well i got sr_mod scsi_mod and cdrom loaded |
| 03:36.21 | tcsetattr | elhim, what kind of scsi controller is it? |
| 03:37.09 | elhim | i'm not sure |
| 03:37.21 | peterS | elhim: is it scsi at all? or is it an IDE controller? |
| 03:37.21 | tcsetattr | let's ask a simpler question. |
| 03:37.30 | tcsetattr | Do You Have A Scsi CDROM Drive? |
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| 03:37.38 | elhim | but neither my kernel or any hardware has changed for months and the problem has been around for less than a week :/ |
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| 03:37.49 | elhim | peterS: IDE actually, good point :) |
| 03:37.56 | tcsetattr | if you spent less time whining and more time answering the questions, you might get more help |
| 03:37.59 | peterS | elhim: ok then. what kernel version have you got? 'uname -r' will tell |
| 03:37.59 | edrx | what's the kernel option (for grub, say) to disable framebuffers and use a real text mode (actually vga=1, which is 80x50)? |
| 03:38.23 | edrx | afaik just vga=1 is not enough |
| 03:38.25 | tcsetattr | edrx, try video=vga16:off |
| 03:38.28 | elhim | 2.6.5 |
| 03:38.42 | peterS | elhim: in 2.6.5 you shouldn't be using ide-scsi or sr_mod or any of that, really |
| 03:38.53 | peterS | elhim: you should be using ide-cd and /dev/hdX rather than /dev/scd0 |
| 03:38.55 | elhim | tcsetattr: i'm not whining i'm telling the sympthoms |
| 03:39.09 | elhim | peterS: oh? really? let me try that |
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| 03:40.08 | Tibe | heh heh heh... ummm what do you do if you set an error on login "error loading shared libraries" "file too short" ? |
| 03:40.18 | Tibe | get* |
| 03:40.33 | peterS | Tibe: that's sort of bad. does it say what library? |
| 03:40.36 | tcsetattr | Tibe, bypass login by booting single-user, and reinstall login? |
| 03:40.54 | Tibe | yeah I set it wrong... and I hadnt set up any other users yet |
| 03:41.04 | elhim | shit, it worked o_0 |
| 03:41.10 | elhim | peterS: thnx a lot |
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| 03:41.18 | peterS | elhim: no problem |
| 03:41.30 | elhim | tcsetattr: thnx. and sorry for whining ;) |
| 03:41.41 | dan2 | biohazrd: hey |
| 03:42.03 | Tibe | peterS, libncurses.so.5 |
| 03:42.15 | edrx | tcsetattr: thanks... btw, do you know where I can get more info about that option? I've just checked kernel-source-2.4.18/Documentation/Configure.help and couldn't find much there... do you know the source file that treats the "video=' option? or any specific readme or doc? |
| 03:42.27 | peterS | Tibe: like tcsetattr said, try getting logged on by booting single-user mode (type "linux single" at the lilo prompt) |
| 03:42.33 | tcsetattr | you start with a question about /dev/scd0 I assume you actually want to use the SCSI CD driver. to immediately tell you you're way off base and should be using IDE instead, when you've given no indication that you have an IDE drive, could be seen as an insult |
| 03:42.37 | peterS | Tibe: then "mount -o remount,rw /" |
| 03:42.44 | Tibe | ok |
| 03:42.57 | peterS | Tibe: then "apt-get install --reinstall libncurses5" |
| 03:43.15 | tcsetattr | edrx, I learned that option from reading the help in the Debian install CD's boot loader |
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| 03:43.37 | dan2 | Tibe: or aptitude reinstall libncurses5 |
| 03:44.14 | tcsetattr | how'd you get a corrupted libncurses.so.5? it's not a good omen |
| 03:44.56 | peterS | it's not, is it? |
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| 03:45.35 | dgtldellmoon | any C coders here? |
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| 03:45.44 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: lots of us, probably. what's your question? |
| 03:45.56 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: if it's too involved, or too far OT, we'll let you know |
| 03:46.07 | dgtldellmoon | peterS: generated two .o files from their respective .c files |
| 03:46.17 | dgtldellmoon | peterS: trying to get foo.c to call a function from bah.c |
| 03:46.23 | tcsetattr | snprintf(dgtldellmoon, "%s your question", ask) |
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| 03:46.34 | dgtldellmoon | tcsetattr: snprintf is dodgey :) |
| 03:46.44 | tcsetattr | well I screwed that up. But you get the point. |
| 03:46.51 | dgtldellmoon | yeh |
| 03:46.56 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: what's the problem? should work fine |
| 03:47.10 | dgtldellmoon | so do i have to make the function i want to call in bah.c defined in foo.c ? |
| 03:47.13 | davedoom | Hi guys. I have managed to hose up my box somehow. I was trying to install a new kernel and now nothing will boot. I get the message XFS: bad magic number. XFS: SB validate failed. |
| 03:47.18 | edrx | tcsetattr: hm, it's not in f1.txt ... f10.txt. but I'm going to install sarge now, I'll probably stumble into it at some point... thanks |
| 03:47.24 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: well, the function has to be defined *somewhere* |
| 03:47.24 | tcsetattr | exported functions should be declared in a header file |
| 03:47.31 | davedoom | I have mounted the drives with a live linux cd and I can see the files. is there any way to restore the boot block? |
| 03:47.32 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: whether that be foo.c or elsewhere - whatever |
| 03:47.35 | dgtldellmoon | tcsetattr: yeh thats what thought |
| 03:47.37 | tcsetattr | put the prototype in foo.h, and include that in both foo.c and bar.c |
| 03:47.37 | elhim | tcsetattr: well, like when i use cdrecord and all it some other programs they refer to IDE as SCSI, so i thought it was natural |
| 03:47.53 | elhim | i wonder why it stopped working though |
| 03:47.54 | dgtldellmoon | tcsetattr: so its just "extern int the_function();" in the header ? |
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| 03:48.06 | peterS | elhim: well, ide-scsi is known to be dodgy in 2.6 kernels |
| 03:48.13 | elhim | really? |
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| 03:48.22 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: or even leave out the 'extern' - in ANSI C it is not needed there |
| 03:48.26 | elhim | how do i use cdrecord now though? -scanbus doesn't give any results |
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| 03:48.37 | peterS | elhim: cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc or whatever your device address is |
| 03:48.38 | tcsetattr | eww! that's icky. int the_function(int param1, int param2); -- that's a prototype. empty argument list "()" is bad |
| 03:48.57 | dgtldellmoon | tcsetattr: ... for example :) |
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| 03:49.03 | rim | if i have DHCP and BOOTP enabled on my 2.6.5 kernel what could be preventing me from getting an ip address by dhcp? is says something like dhclient.pid err .. |
| 03:49.10 | tcsetattr | if there are no args, you say int func(void); |
| 03:49.17 | elhim | peterS: oh, didn't know i can do that, thnx |
| 03:49.31 | peterS | elhim: it's a fairly recent capability - the cdrecord in debian woody won't do that |
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| 03:49.35 | tcsetattr | and compile with gcc -Wmissing-prototypes -Wstring-prototypes -Wall so it can tell you if the prototype doesn't match the definition. |
| 03:49.49 | dgtldellmoon | when linking i get "undefined reference to `the_function'" |
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| 03:49.50 | peterS | tcsetattr: -Wstring-prototypes? what's that one? |
| 03:49.55 | elhim | peterS: thnx a lot, you slightly clarified my confusion over the issue |
| 03:50.05 | tcsetattr | oops, I meant -Wstrict-prototypes |
| 03:50.08 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: if the_function is declared in foo.c and compiled into foo.o, and you link with foo.o, this won't happen |
| 03:50.10 | tcsetattr | strict and missing. |
| 03:50.16 | peterS | tcsetattr: ahhhh |
| 03:50.18 | peterS | right |
| 03:50.36 | tcsetattr | I also use -Wwrite-strings but that's not relevant right now :) |
| 03:50.37 | dgtldellmoon | well its happening :0 |
| 03:50.37 | rim | what should i enable on my 2.6.5 kernel config other than DHCP and BOOTP to get a dchp ip address |
| 03:50.42 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: note that if you are using C++ rather than C, it *will* still happen |
| 03:50.55 | proximacnt | I'm trying to use suspend to memory in a 2.6.6 kernel (built from debian sources) but when I active suspend through /sys...etc, the system hangs momentarily than resumes as before |
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| 03:50.57 | elhim | good luck all |
| 03:51.04 | peterS | unless your prototypes are accurate. which they should be anyway, but who knows. |
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| 03:51.14 | proximacnt | dmesg shows PM saving process info then immediately restarting all processes |
| 03:51.14 | dgtldellmoon | peterS: Oh i forgot to say, im trying to link a .o from g++ and a .o from gcc together |
| 03:51.20 | dgtldellmoon | peterS: :) |
| 03:51.22 | tcsetattr | aha! |
| 03:51.24 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: ah, C and C++. yes, that explains it |
| 03:51.29 | tcsetattr | to export a C++ function you have to declare it extern "C" |
| 03:51.52 | dgtldellmoon | tcsetattr: so extern "C" the_function(void); ? |
| 03:52.04 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: yes |
| 03:52.10 | tcsetattr | something like extern "C" { int func(void); } or maybe extern "C" int func(void); I don't know I don't do C++ |
| 03:52.22 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: well, what tcsetattr said. |
| 03:52.29 | dgtldellmoon | just chekcing |
| 03:52.31 | dan2 | peterS: do you have the link to the big BSD sockets vs. Linux sockets flamewar? |
| 03:52.33 | zaphur | Hi. I have just installed Debian and I need some assistance setting a webcam up |
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| 03:52.38 | dgtldellmoon | so i dont bother you with some lame question based on some minor misunderstanding |
| 03:52.41 | tcsetattr | if you use the one with the braces you should be able to put multiple prototypes in there |
| 03:52.41 | dgtldellmoon | :) |
| 03:52.57 | peterS | dan2: no |
| 03:53.07 | peterS | dan2: BSD sockets and Linux sockets are not very different, API-wise, are they? |
| 03:53.29 | dgtldellmoon | tcsetattr: so the c and c++ still use the same header file with that definition ? |
| 03:53.48 | dgtldellmoon | cuz i dont think gcc likes "extern "C" the_function(void);" |
| 03:53.51 | tcsetattr | well I think they usually hide it from the C compiler with #ifdefs |
| 03:53.52 | zaphur | Does anyone know how I can install video4linux under Debian and get my webcam working? I am really stuck :( |
| 03:54.12 | dgtldellmoon | tcsetattr: so the definition in the c is different from the one in cpp? |
| 03:54.17 | tcsetattr | like #ifdef __cplusplus ... extern "C" ... #endif ... int foo(void); |
| 03:54.40 | peterS | tcsetattr: except with opening brace as well. and the same thing after the prototypes, with a close brace |
| 03:54.50 | dgtldellmoon | im lost guys |
| 03:54.58 | proximacnt | Was anyone able to upgrade their sid installs today? The apt repository is giving nothing but 404s |
| 03:54.59 | tcsetattr | or #ifdef __cplusplus ... #define EXPORT extern "C" ... #else ... #define EXPORT /*nothing*/ |
| 03:55.13 | tcsetattr | ok that's too much C++ talk for me, I'm going quiet |
| 03:55.22 | peterS | hehe |
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| 03:55.31 | dgtldellmoon | its seems simple but im lost as to where i put the types of defs in which files depending on which compiler |
| 03:55.57 | dgtldellmoon | tcsetattr: join #lost and help me out please so we dont noise up this channel |
| 03:56.01 | dgtldellmoon | peterS: join #lost and help me out please so we dont noise up this channel |
| 03:56.04 | dgtldellmoon | :) |
| 03:56.29 | tcsetattr | I would expect C-to-C++ linkage to be a topic well covered by websites and books |
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| 03:56.57 | AceLan | ~/msg apt find brctl |
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| 03:57.25 | dan2 | peterS: why would you use a define statement vs. defining it in the text? |
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| 03:58.08 | peterS | dan2: well, if you have several header files, you can put the ifdef __cplusplus crap in one place in some common header - simpler |
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| 03:58.20 | dan2 | peterS: ahh good point |
| 03:58.39 | biohazrd | what is the debian package that contains sh? |
| 03:58.48 | peterS | dan2: glibc headers do it this way. you can learn a lot by studying such things, even if glibc is in general kind of messy |
| 03:58.51 | biohazrd | basic shell... |
| 03:58.52 | peterS | biohazrd: bash |
| 03:58.52 | tcsetattr | you got login reinstalled, Tibe? |
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| 03:59.18 | tcsetattr | ash makes a good /bin/sh too |
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| 03:59.20 | biohazrd | peterS I thought so, but I have a script complaining about now /bin/sh |
| 03:59.31 | peterS | biohazrd: complaining about what? |
| 03:59.41 | Tibe | tcsetattr, and ncurses yeah |
| 03:59.42 | biohazrd | : bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 03:59.47 | peterS | biohazrd: bash includes a /bin/sh -> bash symlink. check to see if that link exists |
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| 04:00.00 | peterS | biohazrd: another cause of such problems: MS-DOS line endings |
| 04:00.03 | tcsetattr | I sense a corrupted #! line |
| 04:00.28 | peterS | biohazrd: if your #!/bin/sh line ends with the MS-DOS ending of ^M^J rather than the unix ^J, it will say that |
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| 04:00.52 | tcsetattr | perl -e 'symlink "sh", "/bin/sh\r"' # :-) |
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| 04:01.27 | tcsetattr | !lart me for suggesting that stupid thing. |
| 04:01.53 | peterS | tcsetattr: people have done that on web servers with /usr/bin/perl^M, you know |
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| 04:02.09 | biohazrd | PeterS, no such escape characters that I can see |
| 04:02.16 | zaphur | Hi. Can someone help me install a webcam under debian linux? :) im really stuck |
| 04:02.34 | tcsetattr | biohazrd, your editor could be hiding it... head -1 thescript | cat -A |
| 04:03.03 | biohazrd | #! /bin/sh^M$ |
| 04:03.08 | tcsetattr | ta da! |
| 04:03.16 | peterS | are we good or what? |
| 04:03.21 | biohazrd | very |
| 04:03.31 | tcsetattr | if you use vim, put "set notextmode notextauto" in your ~/.exrc or ~/.vimrc |
| 04:03.36 | tcsetattr | to prevent it being too clever. |
| 04:03.56 | peterS | biohazrd: try this: tr -d '\015' < script > newscript; cat newscript > script ; rm newscript |
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| 04:04.08 | Justin | !+dos2unix |
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| 04:04.09 | dpkg | [dos2unix] in the sysutils package, or at http://www.bsd.org/dos2unix.html, or perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' <filename>, or recode, or fromdos, or tr -d \\r, or on some non-gnu systems would also (unexpectedly) convert the charset |
| 04:04.19 | sciboy | Xd |
| 04:04.19 | sciboy | XD |
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| 04:04.58 | sciboy | I just got xfree86 to surpass 800x600 and all of a sudden my monitor is doing shit i thought it wasn't able to do |
| 04:05.05 | sciboy | Xd |
| 04:05.11 | sciboy | XD |
| 04:06.03 | sciboy | Before i couldn't get pass 800x600@60hz so i just re-installed xserver-xfree86 and my monitor is at 1152x864@85hz ^^ |
| 04:06.39 | sciboy | This monitor, according to the tech specs. isn't capable of anything above 80hz ^^ |
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| 04:07.10 | biohazrd | peterS that tr statement did not strip the bad characters |
| 04:07.32 | peterS | biohazrd: no? weird, I thought \015 was ctrl-m in tr-speak |
| 04:07.41 | tcsetattr | \015 is right |
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| 04:10.02 | biohazrd | peterS my bad... i forgot the / |
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| 04:15.37 | dgtldellmoon | tcsetattr: think i have it sorted, thanks heaps |
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| 04:15.38 | opp | need help to edit sources lists, anyone here help? |
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| 04:15.39 | Croepha | what is a tool that will strip my text files of un needed whitespace? ir extra spaces at the bedinning of lines or at the end from like cut/pasting ??? |
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| 04:15.49 | sciboy | What genre of music would the soundtrack from Frozen Bubble come under? |
| 04:15.54 | sciboy | 0_o |
| 04:16.01 | sciboy | 0_o |
| 04:16.16 | sciboy | :( |
| 04:16.16 | sciboy | :) |
| 04:16.16 | sciboy | :P |
| 04:16.16 | sciboy | :b |
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| 04:16.58 | sloopy | sciboy: smooth move :') |
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| 04:18.52 | Croepha | does Linux partitions need to be defraged like windows does? |
| 04:19.08 | kjoonlee | no |
| 04:19.15 | kjoonlee | they don't get fragged in the first place |
| 04:19.25 | dgtldellmoon | havent done this c stuff for years |
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| 04:19.59 | HeatHawk | Hey guys: I need some help, heres my problem: http://system-7.net/help |
| 04:20.09 | dgtldellmoon | "char *argv[]" is that a pointer to an array of chars? |
| 04:20.22 | dgtldellmoon | an arbitrary array tho hmmm |
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| 04:20.54 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: actually it's an array of pointers to chars |
| 04:20.57 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: subtle difference |
| 04:21.05 | dgtldellmoon | Ahh other way around |
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| 04:21.46 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: yeah, argv[0] is a string (char *), as is argv[1], and so on |
| 04:21.54 | dgtldellmoon | yep |
| 04:21.59 | sciboy | Hi |
| 04:21.59 | sciboy | ^^ |
| 04:21.59 | sciboy | Stupid netsplit. |
| 04:22.15 | dgtldellmoon | got a function that wants to be passed "int argc, char* argv[]" (just like a int main) |
| 04:22.28 | dgtldellmoon | but i wanna just pass it something that looks the same that doesnt really have any data in it |
| 04:22.34 | dgtldellmoon | so it will still run |
| 04:22.43 | sciboy | What would the music from "Frozen Bubble" come under? (Genre) |
| 04:23.01 | dgtldellmoon | hmm |
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| 04:23.12 | sciboy | Cause its damn good music ^^ |
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| 04:24.08 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: no idea what you really want to do. if you want to pass no arguments, send an array with just a single NULL pointer in it |
| 04:24.24 | dgtldellmoon | char *globalargv[0]; |
| 04:24.28 | dgtldellmoon | ? |
| 04:24.46 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: more like, char *empty_argv[] = { NULL }; |
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| 04:24.55 | dgtldellmoon | ahh really really empty :) |
| 04:24.59 | peterS | dgtldellmoon: note, for NULL to be defined, #include <stdlib.h> |
| 04:25.14 | gameduck | can someone help me with a fresh installation of debian stable. |
| 04:25.14 | gameduck | :( |
| 04:25.29 | Wyzard | sciboy: The "frozen-bubble-data" package? |
| 04:25.37 | gameduck | i'm having major problem with it. it went to this screen saying that mounting something floppy drive doesn't exit and exit? :( |
| 04:26.28 | sciboy | Wyzard, do you know where the music files from frozen bubble are stored? |
| 04:26.59 | Wyzard | sciboy: dpkg -L frozen-bubble-data |
| 04:27.06 | maher | gameduck: how far did you get with the install? |
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| 04:27.59 | gameduck | far |
| 04:28.08 | gameduck | its like install kernel / drivers |
| 04:28.10 | gameduck | or something |
| 04:28.14 | gameduck | do you know what i mean maher?? |
| 04:28.22 | gameduck | maher. can you help me get by pass that? |
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| 04:28.33 | gameduck | do i need to download some other installer? |
| 04:28.33 | maher | gameduck: no - what stage in the install are you? |
| 04:28.41 | gameduck | i just told u |
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| 04:28.47 | gameduck | i created a partition |
| 04:28.50 | gameduck | and a swap parition |
| 04:28.51 | gameduck | then i write |
| 04:28.56 | gameduck | then it write finish.. |
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| 04:29.05 | gameduck | then it prompt me for installing kernel / drivers |
| 04:29.08 | gameduck | that far.. |
| 04:29.17 | maher | gameduck: ok - what disk is in the floppy drive? |
| 04:29.23 | gameduck | its all CD |
| 04:29.26 | gameduck | 6 CD |
| 04:29.35 | punk-i | anyone knows how to use the package called 'w3c-markup-validator' to check a local site? |
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| 04:29.51 | maher | gameduck: what exact error do you get? |
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| 04:29.59 | gameduck | maher. i have dowlnaoded a PCI installer |
| 04:30.16 | gameduck | maher. i maen a PGI installer :) |
| 04:30.18 | gameduck | u know what that is.. |
| 04:30.33 | maher | gameduck: you are using progeny's installer? |
| 04:30.43 | gameduck | that one didn't work also!! |
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| 04:30.56 | maher | gameduck: which installer are you using atm |
| 04:30.58 | sciboy | What genre of music does the music from "Frozen Bubble" come under? Its sooooo good ^^ |
| 04:31.01 | gameduck | maher. want me to try to do the regular installer again? |
| 04:31.13 | gameduck | maher. right now i'm using a new one.. |
| 04:31.22 | maher | gameduck: which installer are you using atm? |
| 04:31.24 | wols_ | gameduck: does it tell you to create a bootdisk and you don't have a floppydrive? |
| 04:31.25 | gameduck | let me see if this work or not , if not i'll use back the basic one |
| 04:31.35 | gameduck | I don't have a floppy drive |
| 04:31.43 | gameduck | let me see what installer i'm using |
| 04:31.44 | gameduck | hold up |
| 04:31.49 | Wyzard | sciboy: If you're looking for a genre, like "pop", "rock", etc., then I'd say "video game" |
| 04:32.02 | Wyzard | sciboy: since "movie" seems to be an established pseudo-genre for movie soundtracks |
| 04:32.12 | wols_ | the standard installer wants to create a bootfloppy. but you can tell it to not do it |
| 04:32.17 | gameduck | http://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/debian.extras/cdimages/woody-netinst/ |
| 04:32.19 | gameduck | that one.. |
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| 04:32.32 | gameduck | wols. u sure??? |
| 04:32.40 | wols_ | I am sure |
| 04:32.47 | gameduck | well let me see if this one work |
| 04:32.49 | wols_ | you can tell it to not do a boot disk |
| 04:32.51 | gameduck | if not i'll go back to the old one |
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| 04:33.00 | gameduck | i'll plug in a floppy disk this time |
| 04:33.01 | gameduck | in case |
| 04:33.02 | gameduck | :) |
| 04:33.20 | gameduck | why does it take so long to writing superblocks ? |
| 04:33.23 | Wyzard | sciboy: If you're looking for the actual files, they're in the frozen-bubble-data package, but if you just want to know what to call that type of music, call it whatever you feel is descriptive |
| 04:33.27 | gameduck | and writing indoe tables? |
| 04:33.30 | maher | gameduck: ok - that installer is pretty standard - where exactly do you get stuck again? |
| 04:33.35 | Wyzard | gameduck: How big is the disk? |
| 04:33.39 | gameduck | its 120GIG |
| 04:33.49 | gameduck | maher. ok |
| 04:33.52 | gameduck | hold up |
| 04:33.55 | gameduck | i'm going along now |
| 04:34.02 | gameduck | arg!!! |
| 04:34.11 | gameduck | it says mounting root / |
| 04:34.13 | gameduck | i says yes |
| 04:34.19 | gameduck | then it goes input / output error? |
| 04:34.21 | gameduck | WTF!! |
| 04:34.24 | gameduck | is the HD bad?? |
| 04:34.28 | cafuego | crud |
| 04:34.40 | gameduck | i used the pgi installer. and it take forever to format the drive.. |
| 04:34.43 | Wyzard | gameduck: That's why it takes a while... ext2/3 is table-based, so the bigger the disk, the more inode tables there are |
| 04:34.44 | gameduck | u think the HD is mess up? |
| 04:34.52 | xinming | gameduck: I think you can try if the IDE line is right. |
| 04:35.03 | gameduck | damn |
| 04:35.10 | gameduck | let me go back to the regular installer |
| 04:35.13 | cafuego | tip: don't insert a zip disk into an internal drive that's not powered |
| 04:35.14 | gameduck | the build in one with debian |
| 04:35.22 | gameduck | brb |
| 04:35.23 | gameduck | damit.. |
| 04:35.27 | xinming | gameduck: If the I/O error while the system boots.I ever encountered this problem |
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| 04:35.46 | gameduck | xinming. when its mounting.. |
| 04:35.50 | gameduck | it says i/o error |
| 04:35.57 | gameduck | damn |
| 04:36.04 | gameduck | let me put in the standard debian |
| 04:36.19 | gameduck | can someone tell me why ic an't boot off the CD |
| 04:36.24 | gameduck | i mean i hit enter it just freeze there |
| 04:36.27 | maher | gameduck: what are you doing? do you suffer from atd? use a single installer and tell us what error you get |
| 04:36.29 | gameduck | i need to type bf24 |
| 04:36.46 | gameduck | maher. i told u the errror |
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| 04:37.06 | gameduck | FATAL ERROR: cannot read disk drive.. presss any key to exit cfdisk |
| 04:37.16 | gameduck | why? |
| 04:37.17 | gameduck | you tell me |
| 04:37.25 | maher | gameduck: is this when you are writing the partition table? |
| 04:37.35 | gameduck | NO |
| 04:37.41 | gameduck | its when it try to mount root / |
| 04:37.44 | linagee | FATAL ERROR: incompetant user.. please replace and press any key |
| 04:37.47 | Wyzard | That does sound like it could be a problem with the disk itself |
| 04:37.48 | linagee | :) |
| 04:38.04 | sussudio | !pebcam |
| 04:38.04 | dpkg | Problem exists between Canada and Mexico. |
| 04:38.14 | maher | gameduck: when is it trying to mount root? at whatstage? |
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| 04:38.28 | gameduck | the begining stage |
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| 04:38.41 | maher | gameduck: what stage? |
| 04:38.46 | gameduck | forget it |
| 04:38.49 | gameduck | i power it off already |
| 04:38.54 | gameduck | using the default debian |
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| 04:39.01 | gameduck | witha floppy installed into it |
| 04:39.03 | sussudio | !tell gameduck about enter |
| 04:39.03 | gameduck | hope tihs work |
| 04:39.04 | xinming | gameduck: Is that ok for live cd? |
| 04:39.08 | Wyzard | maher: The message refers to quitting cfdisk... sounds like it's unable to read the existing partition table |
| 04:39.32 | Wyzard | maher: I'm not quite sure how that relates to this discussion about the root filesystem though |
| 04:39.46 | opp | whats apt-get dist-upgrade vs apt-get upgrade |
| 04:39.51 | opp | whats the difference? |
| 04:40.00 | maher | Wyzard: who knows if he won't answer any questions |
| 04:40.01 | sussudio | man apt-get |
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| 04:40.23 | xinming | opp: Some packages might not be upgraded using upgrade but dist-upgrade does |
| 04:40.31 | gameduck | hey |
| 04:40.35 | Wyzard | opp: If the new version of a package depends on things that you don't have on your system, "upgrade" will keep the old version, while "dist-upgrade" will install the new dependency along with the new version |
| 04:40.37 | gameduck | do i need a floppy drive for it to be install>? |
| 04:40.46 | cafuego | crud squared |
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| 04:40.49 | gameduck | i don't got any floppy drive :( |
| 04:40.56 | Wyzard | opp: Same goes for conflicts... dist-upgrade will remove packages that are conflicted in the newer version |
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| 04:41.21 | Tarka | gameduck: No, CD works. |
| 04:41.33 | Wyzard | cafuego: Why are you torturing your zip drive? |
| 04:41.36 | xinming | Wyzard: Your answer is much more better. ;-) |
| 04:41.38 | cafuego | this box is compiling mozilla in the time it takes for the other box to build a kernel <heh> |
| 04:41.39 | opp | Wyzard, so upgarde ill run apps with comflicts |
| 04:41.42 | gameduck | tarka. doing a fresh install again!!! |
| 04:41.46 | opp | guess that slows it down?? |
| 04:41.57 | cafuego | Wyzard: I need to reboot the server to get the bloody disk out :-( |
| 04:42.06 | gameduck | should i boot off from vanilla or bf24?? |
| 04:42.07 | gameduck | which one |
| 04:42.14 | maher | gameduck: try bf24 |
| 04:42.15 | cafuego | I have no spare power connectors in there (6 hdd's, cdrw and dvd drive) |
| 04:42.27 | opp | Wyzard, if it removes the conflicts, does it add a revised app to cover for it? |
| 04:42.36 | wols_ | gameduck: depends on your hardware |
| 04:42.39 | Wyzard | opp: A plain upgrade will "hold back" any packages whose new versions aren't installable due to unmet dependencies. A dist-upgrade will add/remove other packages as necessary in order to meet the dependencies of the new versions. |
| 04:42.39 | somiaj | cafuego: what size power supply? |
| 04:42.45 | cafuego | somiaj: 350W |
| 04:42.46 | wols_ | gameduck: probably bf2.4 tho |
| 04:42.49 | Wyzard | opp: "add a revised app" ? |
| 04:42.55 | Tarka | gameduck: You could also try the new installer. It's better than the older ones. |
| 04:42.55 | gameduck | wols. ok booting up from bf24 |
| 04:43.03 | gameduck | wols. i got dual xeon 2.4 with 1gig of ram |
| 04:43.20 | gameduck | booting off from bf24 it is |
| 04:43.21 | gameduck | ok.. |
| 04:43.25 | gameduck | everything goes smooth now |
| 04:43.28 | cafuego | somiaj: stability is not an issue; " 14:50:32 up 93 days, 2:22, 2 users, load average: 2.05, 1.99, 1.57" |
| 04:43.30 | gameduck | i'll tell u what the error i'm getting.. |
| 04:43.43 | wols_ | gameduck: that's not the issue, harddisk controllers, network cards, videocards |
| 04:43.54 | wols_ | usb devices |
| 04:43.55 | gameduck | wols can it be a vidoe card issues?? |
| 04:43.59 | wols_ | those are the potential problems |
| 04:44.01 | maher | gameduck: no |
| 04:44.04 | opp | Wyzard, so why update then, seems upgrade does veerything it does? i dont get it? |
| 04:44.08 | gameduck | maybe its a bad vidoe card.. |
| 04:44.10 | somiaj | cafuego: I was more just courious, not relaly sure how much one power supply can support.... |
| 04:44.31 | gameduck | ok |
| 04:44.32 | wols_ | gameduck: videocard is only a problem for X, nothing else |
| 04:44.37 | cafuego | somiaj: I think it'd probably start crashing if I had an AGP card in there |
| 04:44.41 | gameduck | i'm in the stage of writing inode tables... |
| 04:44.48 | gameduck | i'll let u guys know what is going on ok... |
| 04:44.54 | gameduck | help me get this working please.. |
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| 04:45.12 | Wyzard | opp: "update" downloads new lists of available packages from the server, so that apt knows new versions of packages are available. "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" are two ways to tell apt to install newly-available versions of the packages on your system. |
| 04:45.14 | gameduck | its going to take like another 20mins for it to write |
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| 04:45.28 | somiaj | cafuego: ahh, good thing it doesn't need one...(: |
| 04:45.37 | Tarka | gameduck: try the new installer if it fails. It has better hardware support. |
| 04:45.51 | cafuego | somiaj: it's got an S3 card with a whopping 1Mb of vram. |
| 04:46.07 | enntee__ | Hi, I used alien to convert fedora core 2's redhat-artwork package to a .deb, and I installed it. All the icons work, but the gtk theme doesn't look right. Anyone know how to fix it? |
| 04:46.12 | somiaj | cafuego: do you even have a monintor pluged into it? |
| 04:46.35 | cafuego | somiaj: it's plugged into a KVM, together with 3 others servers. |
| 04:46.48 | gameduck | tarka. i did already.. |
| 04:46.48 | cafuego | somiaj: Not that i've USED that kvm for the past 93 days .. :-) |
| 04:46.50 | opp | so the sequence is 1. update, then upgrade, then install |
| 04:46.55 | somiaj | cafuego: I see.... |
| 04:46.55 | dgtldellmoon | peterS: hmmmm |
| 04:46.57 | dgtldellmoon | ktest.cpp: In function `int main(int, char**)': |
| 04:46.58 | dgtldellmoon | ktest.cpp:15: error: parse error at end of input |
| 04:46.58 | dgtldellmoon | make: *** [ktest.o] Error 1 |
| 04:47.01 | gameduck | i tried two new installer. one is made by pgi and another is by blade.. |
| 04:47.02 | opp | for every app i want to install to debian?? |
| 04:47.04 | dgtldellmoon | int main (int argc, char *argv[] ) { |
| 04:47.04 | dgtldellmoon | { |
| 04:47.04 | dgtldellmoon | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:47.04 | dgtldellmoon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:47.06 | Tarka | gameduck: what did it fail on? |
| 04:47.07 | opp | m i rite? |
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| 04:47.19 | gameduck | tarka. HD.. |
| 04:47.24 | dgtldellmoon | wwoops, sorry |
| 04:47.27 | gameduck | i changed the HD |
| 04:47.30 | gameduck | i use SATA |
| 04:47.34 | gameduck | now i change it to regular IDE |
| 04:47.43 | Tarka | What's the controller? |
| 04:47.49 | gameduck | build in |
| 04:48.00 | gameduck | asus |
| 04:48.02 | Tarka | make, chip, raid? |
| 04:48.02 | gameduck | assus.. |
| 04:48.07 | gameduck | IDE |
| 04:48.19 | cafuego | assus? |
| 04:48.23 | wols_ | Tarka: it's a P4, so it is most probably ich5 |
| 04:48.24 | gameduck | asus.. |
| 04:48.36 | Wyzard | opp: Asking the difference between "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" is a little different from asking how to install packages. If you don't know the basics of installing and removing, READ THE MANUAL -- I don't feel like writing an essay of an answer right now |
| 04:48.42 | gameduck | its a dual xeon 2.4 with 1gig of ram.. |
| 04:48.58 | Tarka | Some of them go through the raid controller even if it's not setup for that. |
| 04:49.04 | wols_ | gameduck: and I am sure you have a long penis too |
| 04:49.04 | opp | Wyzard, sorry, simmer down.. |
| 04:49.05 | opp | :( |
| 04:49.08 | cafuego | gameduck: That's nice. Too bad it won't work. |
| 04:49.12 | gameduck | diu! |
| 04:49.15 | gameduck | help me |
| 04:49.20 | Tarka | Had it friday with a promise controller. |
| 04:49.23 | gameduck | almost done writing inode tables |
| 04:49.29 | Wyzard | enntee__: I've never used alien for anything so I have no direct firsthand knowledge, but maybe the RPM put some files in a different place than where Debian expects them to be, so the theme can't find some of its resources |
| 04:49.42 | gravity | heh |
| 04:50.10 | cafuego | seeing as they are the only ones who displayed intelligence from the start |
| 04:50.10 | Wyzard | opp: "install" is for installing new packages that you don't already have on your system. "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" are for installing the latest *versions* of packages you already have installed. |
| 04:50.15 | gameduck | debian take forever to install.. out of all the OS out there. debian is the longest :( |
| 04:50.17 | gs | is samba in unstable hosed right now? |
| 04:50.26 | wcs | gameduck what are you talking about... |
| 04:50.28 | Wyzard | opp: You don't "upgrade and then install" for each package |
| 04:50.29 | somiaj | gs: you could ask the BTS |
| 04:50.35 | wcs | gameduck maybe on DU |
| 04:50.35 | wols_ | cafuego: AMD and intelligence? are you smoking mind-altering drugs? |
| 04:50.36 | enntee__ | gs: checked the BTS? |
| 04:50.39 | sussudio | somiaj: or he could whine in here |
| 04:50.48 | gameduck | wcs.. look how long it take to writeing inode |
| 04:50.59 | gameduck | almost 20mins :( |
| 04:51.07 | gravity | Wow, your hardware sucks then |
| 04:51.07 | wcs | gameduck what are you talking about writing inodes in non-sencial |
| 04:51.14 | cafuego | wols_: No, just adding up facts. Pay less, get more. Not hard. |
| 04:51.17 | gameduck | writing inode tables.. |
| 04:51.18 | wcs | gameduck if you mean the badblock check |
| 04:51.20 | gravity | Time to upgrade that 486! |
| 04:51.28 | gameduck | i'm using a dual xeon |
| 04:51.30 | wcs | gameduck thats, the same for any distro |
| 04:51.30 | gs | ah so it is |
| 04:51.35 | Wyzard | wcs: He's talking about mke2fs, creating inode tables |
| 04:51.43 | opp | Wyzard, fantastic, i know now, it the MOST clear explanation i had from anyone |
| 04:51.44 | Wyzard | gameduck: Umm... it shouldn't take *that* long. |
| 04:51.46 | opp | tahnsk |
| 04:51.48 | wols_ | cafuego: I am using only AMD since the first K6, but I wouldn't say anything about AMD being intelligent :) |
| 04:51.57 | wols_ | they make nice, cheap CPUs tho |
| 04:51.59 | Wyzard | opp: Read the manpage for apt-get. |
| 04:51.59 | gameduck | wyzard.. now its int he process of wirting superblocks.. |
| 04:52.03 | wcs | then hes an idiot becuase that is entirely hardware, hardware tuning options |
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| 04:52.15 | gs | can I ask another dumb question? :) |
| 04:52.16 | wcs | gameduck man hdparm |
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| 04:52.36 | wols_ | wcs: he is installing right now. how would he run (and change settings) with hdparm there again? |
| 04:52.41 | somiaj | gs: yes, but you just asked it....../msg dpkg ask |
| 04:52.41 | Wyzard | wcs: Considering that he seems to also have gotten some read errors, it could just be a defective hard drive |
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| 04:52.53 | cafuego | wols_: take gameduck for instance. he paid a crapload of money for a dual xeon box and still ahs shittier performance then a half-that-price AMD box would have |
| 04:52.55 | wols_ | gs: go ahead. can't be dumber than some statements made |
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| 04:53.00 | opp | Wyzard, so lets say i dont have opera, i will install fiirst, then upgarde it later for newer versions as they are released, siit? |
| 04:53.13 | wcs | Thats more likley, as I said hardware or tunning |
| 04:53.19 | Wyzard | opp: yes |
| 04:53.51 | wcs | wols_ you can pull up a console durning install |
| 04:53.56 | Mafteah | someone have howto for apt server? |
| 04:54.08 | maher | opp: operais not in debian |
| 04:54.10 | sussudio | somiaj: 120mm fan |
| 04:54.12 | gs | is there away to make sshd start before smbd (and other daemons) so I can still log in remotely if a bad package gets installed? |
| 04:54.17 | wcs | wols_ there are ways to do it, you just have to be smarter than your avg user |
| 04:54.18 | somiaj | sussudio: (: |
| 04:54.19 | wols_ | cafuego: that's mainly the fault of his hardware not properly supported (namely SATA). If he used some fancy opteron setup with sata drives it would be at least the same. It would be cheaper tho if he did it the right AMD-way, yes |
| 04:54.22 | opp | Wyzard, so actually theres no need to update or upgrade every time u do apt-get install..?? ppl tell me the wrong things all the time, thanks, sir |
| 04:54.24 | Wyzard | opp: And if the new version of Opera depends on some other package (some library, for example) which you don't have installed, "upgrade" will keep the old version of Opera because the new one can't be installed |
| 04:54.25 | wcs | sussudio opera is non-free |
| 04:54.28 | sussudio | somiaj: saves me about 8-10 degrees celcius |
| 04:54.36 | cafuego | wols_: rename the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/S??ssh |
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| 04:54.39 | wols_ | wcs: so is hdparm installed while installing? |
| 04:54.50 | wols_ | cafuego: I certainly won't |
| 04:54.52 | Wyzard | opp: On the other hand, "dist-upgrade" would automatically install the other package, and upgrade Opera |
| 04:54.52 | gameduck | ok |
| 04:54.52 | gameduck | now |
| 04:54.56 | maher | gs: i don't know an easy way to do that - upgrade ssh separetely on remote boxes |
| 04:54.59 | wcs | wols_ un sure, nothing a disk could not over come though |
| 04:55.02 | gravity | opp: You should go read the apt howto |
| 04:55.02 | somiaj | sussudio: is it loud, I also think I need new case fans, to get a little more airflow though the case |
| 04:55.08 | gravity | opp: It'll clarify things for you. Google for it. |
| 04:55.14 | wcs | wols_ as I said smarter than your avgerage user |
| 04:55.18 | gameduck | ok |
| 04:55.20 | Supaplex | What fixes this annoying warning? Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.26-tgw/modules.dep |
| 04:55.22 | gameduck | can someone help me.. |
| 04:55.26 | gameduck | i finish the stuff. |
| 04:55.32 | gameduck | and it mounted the root into / |
| 04:55.35 | gs | maher: thx |
| 04:55.36 | sussudio | somiaj: well, it's a pabst fan so it's not that loud |
| 04:55.36 | wols_ | Supaplex: depmod -a should |
| 04:55.37 | hrnt | supaplex: depmod -a? |
| 04:55.38 | Wyzard | opp: You should always update before you upgrade because otherwise apt won't know there are newer versions of things available |
| 04:55.40 | gameduck | then it says install kernel |
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| 04:55.47 | cafuego | gs: there's a big long help document on www.debian.org |
| 04:55.52 | gameduck | so i says. yes.. and now it give gave me a blue screen.. |
| 04:56.00 | gameduck | is it installing the kernel now? |
| 04:56.05 | cafuego | gs: yes |
| 04:56.07 | Wyzard | opp: If you run stable, you should ideally upgrade every week or so, to get security fixes... I run unstable, and I upgrade daily |
| 04:56.09 | somiaj | sussudio: that's good, I use to have a volcano, which wasn't on my box for long... |
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| 04:56.12 | maher | gameduck: what does the blue screen say? |
| 04:56.14 | cafuego | gameduck: yes. Blue screens on linux don't mean it crashed |
| 04:56.21 | Mafteah | someone have howto for apt server? |
| 04:56.25 | Supaplex | thanks wols_, hrnt |
| 04:56.28 | holycow | cafuego, heh |
| 04:56.30 | cafuego | gameduck: it just emans some application made the screen blue |
| 04:56.30 | gameduck | maher. didnt' say anything |
| 04:56.35 | holycow | linux just doesnt crash |
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| 04:56.37 | gameduck | just blue screen.. |
| 04:56.39 | gravity | holycow: Not true |
| 04:56.42 | cafuego | notably screen savers |
| 04:56.47 | sussudio | somiaj: it's blowing on my mobo/cards/cpu, i put some bolts through it so it doesn't fall over in the case |
| 04:56.50 | gameduck | HD light is doing something.. |
| 04:56.56 | maher | gameduck: wait for a minute and see what happens |
| 04:56.58 | holycow | gravity, apps crash yes, but i've yet to take a system down even with the stupid things ive done |
| 04:56.59 | gameduck | i think i should wait.. to see what is going on.. |
| 04:57.07 | cafuego | holycow: If gameduck would sue 2 realtek 8139's on his SMP box, it would probably crash quite often. |
| 04:57.08 | sussudio | holycow: lions? |
| 04:57.14 | gravity | holycow: Well, it's definitely pretty damn stable, but I've taken it down a few times |
| 04:57.14 | maher | holycow: you can borrow my laptop sometime... |
| 04:57.23 | gameduck | this is the 6 times i installed debian and fail :( |
| 04:57.24 | gravity | holycow: Keep at it, you'll find a way or two :-) |
| 04:57.25 | holycow | cafuego, heh *nod* :) good point |
| 04:57.32 | Wyzard | opp: As I and others have said, go read some documentation, like the "apt-get" manpage or the apt-howto. Everything I'm saying is something that's already documented elsewhere, and it takes me a lot less keystrokes to tell you to where to go read than to rewrite the documentation myself here in the channel :-) |
| 04:57.41 | wols_ | holycow: then you haven't done anything stupid yet. and yes: Linux does crash too, full blown kernel panic or just a rebooted box when you come back in the morning,etc |
| 04:57.43 | holycow | haha well i stand corrected once again :) |
| 04:57.47 | gs | holycow: I can testify that things can go wrong :) |
| 04:58.01 | holycow | so its a myth huh? *sigh* |
| 04:58.03 | opp | Wyzard, so should i do dist-upgrade or jusr plain upgrade, which do u sue?which is best for optimizing performance of box |
| 04:58.03 | jarango | What package owns common headers such as sys/types.h ? I am trying to compile the kernel and I am missing a whole bunch of header files |
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| 04:58.11 | holycow | just when i was gettin comfy being smug :) |
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| 04:58.17 | wols_ | jarango: libc6-dev |
| 04:58.34 | wols_ | jarango: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 04:58.41 | jarango | wols_: thanks |
| 04:58.46 | cafuego | jarango: those are for the supporting apps sued for kernel configing, they're in libc6-dev - the kernel itself doesn't use them. |
| 04:58.54 | wcs | jarango the libc6-dev |
| 04:59.09 | Wyzard | opp: Performance has nothing to do with it. I run unstable, and I use dist-upgrade except on the rare occasions when a bug in some package makes apt want to uninstall half my system, in which case I use plain upgrade for a few days until the bug is fixed |
| 04:59.13 | jarango | wcs: thanks |
| 04:59.18 | wcs | jarango np |
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| 04:59.41 | maher | opp: you should always upgrade unless you are changing dists |
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| 05:00.10 | wcs | apt-get should not be used at all\ |
| 05:00.19 | opp | Wyzardwhats changing dusts? |
| 05:00.21 | Wyzard | maher: I beg to differ... I rarely use plain upgrade |
| 05:00.23 | opp | dists? |
| 05:00.25 | wcs | Aptitude, dselect and symantic |
| 05:00.38 | gravity | Listen to wcs! He speaks truth and wisdom! |
| 05:00.40 | wcs | are what should be used becuase it allows you to reslove confitlcs |
| 05:00.48 | Wyzard | opp: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html -- see chapter 3 in particular |
| 05:00.54 | opp | Wyzard, i did dist-upgrade b4 on my old linux, it just whacks my system silly |
| 05:01.01 | wcs | gravity while thank you for the kind words |
| 05:01.08 | Wyzard | opp: Go read there; I'm tired of retyping in my own words for you stuff that's already written there |
| 05:01.23 | opp | saying i need this and than, asking me to try, this n that, in the end my systemwas so whacked, i had to reinstall |
| 05:01.39 | opp | ok, sorry, thanks um sir |
| 05:01.42 | maher | opp: reading the docs would have allowed you to fix your system |
| 05:01.47 | dangerjaws | how good is Debian stable as a desktop OS |
| 05:01.48 | opp | Wyzard, million thanks |
| 05:01.49 | opp | :) |
| 05:01.57 | maher | dangerjaws: works just fine for me |
| 05:02.06 | gameduck | can someone please help me.. |
| 05:02.11 | gravity | dangerjaws: It's a fine desktop OS, since it's very stable. But it's also got old software. The software is fine, but it's not all flashy and new. |
| 05:02.15 | wcs | dangerjaws just fine for most |
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| 05:02.28 | gameduck | blue screen. been blue screen for like 15mins now.. but HD is working. should i wait?? |
| 05:02.28 | hacim | i set up a remote ssh tunnel to be able to access my machine at home that is behind NAT, but I still have to ssh to the tunneled machine and then issue a ssh -p 2222 localhost to get to my NAT'd machine, is there a way to connect to the remote machine port 2222 without having to ssh in first? |
| 05:02.29 | maher | gameduck: what is happening - do you still have the blue screen? |
| 05:02.30 | gravity | dangerjaws: It basically depends on your needs. Backports can go a long way too. |
| 05:02.37 | wcs | gameduck yes |
| 05:02.43 | edrx | I'm trying to install sarge and the installation is aborting with "Errors were encountered while processing: apt-utils", and I don't know how to fix that... details: I downloaded http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/{initrd.gz,vmlinuz}, booted into them with grub, blahblahblah, and used ftp.br.debian.org as the mirror... I saved /var/log/messages/{messages,partman,syslog} and |
| 05:02.43 | edrx | a copy of the relevant parts of VT1 |
| 05:02.47 | wcs | gameduck hit ctrl f* |
| 05:02.51 | dangerjaws | then how do i upgrade to the latest software on debian woody |
| 05:02.55 | wcs | gameduck for more info |
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| 05:02.59 | maher | gameduck: press ctrl-alt-f2 and type ps auxw to see what it is doing |
| 05:03.03 | gameduck | OK |
| 05:03.05 | gameduck | i got a error now.. |
| 05:03.15 | gameduck | cannot read /floppy/type.txt : invalid arguement |
| 05:03.20 | gameduck | click CONTINUE? |
| 05:03.25 | maher | dangerjaws: use apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade or dselect or aptitude or something |
| 05:03.25 | gravity | edrx: Is this a daily build of d-i? |
| 05:03.25 | wcs | dangerjaws run dselect |
| 05:03.27 | Wyzard | dangerjaws: Aside from security updates, the versions in woody don't change |
| 05:03.40 | jarango | wols_: what's the "kernel-package" package for ? I am compiling a vanilla kernel from kernel.org ... |
| 05:03.52 | wcs | dangerjaws listen not to maher that is not the way |
| 05:03.53 | sussudio | gameduck: is het nou godverdegodverdomme afgelopen met dat geram op die enter-toets, vieze etterbak? |
| 05:04.04 | gameduck | me no speak russian |
| 05:04.09 | maher | wcs: ? |
| 05:04.11 | Wyzard | maher: Why do you use "upgrade" rather than "dist-upgrade" ? |
| 05:04.12 | wols_ | jarango: it creates a nice shiny .deb package with your kernel you can install. and yes, it works fine with kernel.org vanilla sources |
| 05:04.13 | wcs | maher you should not use apt-get, |
| 05:04.16 | sussudio | gameduck: YOU DONT FUCKING LISTEN TO ENGLISH EITHER |
| 05:04.17 | edrx | gravity: it's the "current" build, is that the same as a 2004xxxx? |
| 05:04.21 | gameduck | sussudio me no speak |
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| 05:04.29 | gameduck | what am i doing wrong? |
| 05:04.42 | gravity | edrx: Try the official beta4 build instead. |
| 05:04.47 | wcs | maher you should use a higher level interface such as dselect, aptitude |
| 05:04.49 | gravity | edrx: I think libdebian-installer is still busted |
| 05:04.54 | maher | wcs: nowt wrong with apt-get on woody |
| 05:04.55 | wcs | maher among others |
| 05:05.09 | wcs | maher its not the _One_True_Way_ tm |
| 05:05.16 | wols_ | wcs: why? apt-get works just fine |
| 05:05.17 | sussudio | gameduck: i am putting you on ignore now. an op will probably +q you soon if you don't stop your enter-hitting behaviour. |
| 05:05.19 | edrx | gravity: ok, thanks. is there a place where the status of these versions os posted? |
| 05:05.22 | wols_ | and it's the fastest of the bunch too |
| 05:05.22 | maher | wcs: its like saying you shouldn't use ls only a file browser |
| 05:05.36 | gravity | edrx: Not really. You'd have to follow the mailing list |
| 05:05.41 | gameduck | sussudio. can someone help me please.. i don't know what i'm doing wrong? |
| 05:06.00 | wols_ | gameduck: what happens if you click "continue"? |
| 05:06.01 | wcs | wols_ maher from the apt-get man page apt-get is the command-line tool for handling packages, and may be considered the user's "back-end" to other tools |
| 05:06.01 | wcs | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.01 | wcs | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.26 | wcs | apt-get does not allow you to reslove conflitcs |
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| 05:06.51 | wols_ | wcs: what kind of conflicts? why would I have conflicts?a |
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| 05:06.56 | wcs | it also does not handle susgest |
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| 05:07.00 | wcs | and recommends |
| 05:07.00 | asciiwhite | hello all |
| 05:07.01 | wols_ | and there is always dpkg --force for that if needed |
| 05:07.02 | gs | I personally find apt-get a lot easier, I found I got into lots of trouble letting "dselect" resolve conflicts |
| 05:07.05 | cafuego | wow, i can't believe i got away with that |
| 05:07.17 | asciiwhite | where can i get a list of world wide apt-get sources |
| 05:07.25 | wols_ | asciiwhite: apt-setup |
| 05:07.25 | cafuego | asciiwhite: apt-setup |
| 05:07.28 | asciiwhite | ta |
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| 05:07.52 | wcs | once again, apt-get does not handle recommends and suggest, just depends and it occisonally trys to remove half the computer |
| 05:08.02 | maher | wcs: go teach your granny to suck eggs - i know how to read the apt-get man page |
| 05:08.02 | wols_ | jarango: apt-cache show g++ |
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| 05:08.11 | Wyzard | wcs: Current versions of apt show you the suggests and recommends when you install something... and the only time I run into conflicts is sometimes when using dist-upgrade, in which case I do a plain upgrade to take care of most of the stuff, then look at what's left manually |
| 05:08.12 | asciiwhite | mmm knoppix dont seem to have apt-setup |
| 05:08.15 | asciiwhite | is there any online list |
| 05:08.24 | maher | gameduck: so what happens if you say continue? |
| 05:08.27 | sussudio | cafuego: just the power? |
| 05:08.27 | wols_ | cafuego: risky. sometimes it works with ATA, sometiems it blows up horribly. and you can even kill your hardware |
| 05:08.31 | cafuego | asciiwhite: This isn't #knoppix. Go away. |
| 05:08.36 | Wyzard | wcs: What do you mean by "does not handle" recommends and suggests? |
| 05:08.37 | wols_ | asciiwhite: #knoppix |
| 05:08.37 | gameduck | maher. nothing happen. bring me back to the main menu.. |
| 05:08.45 | gameduck | maher. i think i need a foppy |
| 05:08.50 | jarango | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.50 | maher | gameduck: the main install menu? |
| 05:08.53 | gameduck | floppy in my drive... |
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| 05:08.55 | somiaj | cafuego: trying to tempt fate!...(: |
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| 05:08.59 | wcs | Wyzard it does not install then, and it did not use to even let you know about them |
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| 05:09.07 | z|bandito | anyone got a linux install on a pendrive? |
| 05:09.09 | cafuego | wols_: Well, the dvd or zip drive, which is no great loss. The PSU wouldn't care much either way unless you shorted it out. |
| 05:09.17 | wcs | Wyzard dselect and aptitude will tell you about them and ask you if you want them installed |
| 05:09.23 | z|bandito | does the debian installer work with pendrives? |
| 05:09.29 | wcs | Wyzard also, they let you hold packages etc etc |
| 05:09.30 | wols_ | no, mainly the drives.PSU is short protected (or at least should be) |
| 05:09.32 | edrx | gravity: I'm bookmarking the archive... is it http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/ ? I'm not sure which mailing list you meant... |
| 05:09.32 | maher | gameduck: are you back at the main install menu? |
| 05:09.33 | Wyzard | z|bandito: I have D-I beta 3 on a USB flash drive... haven't gotten around to updating it to beta 4 yet |
| 05:09.38 | gameduck | maher. yes.. |
| 05:09.38 | wols_ | if it isn't it would be no great loss either... |
| 05:09.40 | cafuego | z|bandito: I have an installer ON a bootable pendrive... |
| 05:09.46 | gravity | edrx: Yes |
| 05:09.47 | Wyzard | z|bandito: Go to the D-I webpage... they provide a filesystem image for that exact purpose |
| 05:09.49 | maher | gameduck: can you carry on with the install? |
| 05:09.52 | invisibill | has anyone run into the 2.6.5-1-386 kernel image not being able to recognize the ethernet connection eth0? |
| 05:09.52 | z|bandito | hehe ;) |
| 05:09.53 | jarango | wols_: sorry for bothering ... just switched from RedHat/Fedora, and package names are quite diferent |
| 05:09.54 | gameduck | maher. yes.. |
| 05:09.56 | z|bandito | whats D-I? |
| 05:10.06 | maher | gameduck: well lets do that shall we? |
| 05:10.07 | wols_ | jarango: you apt-cache search <stuff> |
| 05:10.10 | cafuego | !d-i |
| 05:10.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 05:10.19 | edrx | gravity: ok. I'm RTFML... :) |
| 05:10.22 | z|bandito | ah thanks |
| 05:10.26 | gameduck | maher. ok |
| 05:10.33 | gameduck | maher. right now i'm at the blue screen now.. |
| 05:10.33 | gravity | edrx: Sorry, I'm not caught up on the past few days. It's pretty high traffic, so beware. |
| 05:10.37 | wols_ | invisibill: what network card? |
| 05:10.42 | Wyzard | wcs: I haven't used aptitude, but I find dselect's handling of recommends and suggests rather annoying -- I'd rather have them just shown for me to look at, not be shoved into a separate screen with them pre-selected for me |
| 05:10.44 | edrx | gravity: np |
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| 05:10.54 | gameduck | maher. it says up/ down between elemetns | enter to selects. |
| 05:10.55 | cafuego | z|bandito: specifically: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 05:11.02 | maher | gameduck: i thought you were at the main menu - what did you do? |
| 05:11.04 | wcs | Wyzard well it sounds like aptitude is for you then |
| 05:11.13 | gameduck | maher. i hit enter and enter |
| 05:11.16 | cafuego | the install with "Gigabyte GA-7VAXP mainboard, 128 MB HP USB-MP3 key plugged into hub of Happy Hacker USB keyboard" is mine :-) |
| 05:11.19 | gameduck | and i guess it went thru... |
| 05:11.23 | maher | gameduck: ok - carry on |
| 05:11.28 | Wyzard | wcs: Does aptitude support use of debfoster's keepers list? |
| 05:11.34 | gameduck | maher. waiting now.. blue screeen again |
| 05:11.43 | gameduck | maher. it says up/ down between elemetns | enter to selects. |
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| 05:12.43 | invisibill | wols_: It's just the standard network card. I've tried posting a bugzilla for this but I didn't get a reply. Has anyone else reported this? |
| 05:12.53 | gameduck | maher. same error.. ERROR. cannot read /floopy/type.txt: no suck device or address. |
| 05:13.04 | gameduck | maher. do i have to havea floppy disc in there? |
| 05:13.11 | Wyzard | wcs: I use debfoster to keep my system clean by getting rid of old dependencies and such... any apt "frontend" which bypasses debfoster is a non-option as far as I'm concerned |
| 05:13.19 | azazello | Is there a k6 build of the 2.6.3 kernel image somewhere? |
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| 05:13.27 | maher | gameduck: you might have a corrupt cd - anyway what is it doing now? |
| 05:13.27 | wols_ | invisibill: there is no "standard network card" there are hundreds of different chips. do you have an nforce2 mainboard? |
| 05:13.41 | gameduck | thats it |
| 05:13.46 | gameduck | maher.. hit enter to continue |
| 05:13.58 | maher | gameduck: and then what? |
| 05:14.43 | invisibill | wols_: I have an Iwill 266RuN motherboard. Do you know how I could check this from the console? |
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| 05:15.06 | gameduck | main menu again maher |
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| 05:25.02 | karsten | Thought: Running Samba 3.0 as domain controller, no AD. I'd like a group profile. Ain't gonna happen is how I understand it. So instead: create a group profile template, and have logon.bat copy it onto the user's template at each logon. |
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| 07:09.47 | TheOnlyOne | Hi guys |
| 07:09.59 | TheOnlyOne | Any one use knoppix? |
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| 07:11.56 | enntee__ | sigh. |
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