| 00:00.35 | g4lt | LoRez given my cloak, I might link it though |
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| 00:01.12 | thomas_adam | John, I think I'd recognise you anywhere. ;) |
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| 00:01.18 | g4lt | LoRez I stand corrected. I'm pretty well stuck with g4lt now |
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| 00:01.30 | cafuego | g4lt: well, you could register it anyway |
| 00:01.30 | LoRez | g4lt: how so? |
| 00:01.54 | g4lt | LoRez galt@g4lt.base.supporter.pdpc |
| 00:02.13 | LoRez | g4lt: so? that can be rearranged. |
| 00:02.35 | g4lt | LoRez it could, but I'm happy. why make a puke pile |
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| 00:04.35 | petemc | cafuego: whats incolved in getting that? freemasonry? |
| 00:04.49 | petemc | s/nc/nv/ |
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| 00:05.16 | cafuego | petemc: what, registered or a reverse v6 entry? |
| 00:05.29 | petemc | cafuego: registered |
| 00:05.46 | cafuego | petemc: As far as I'm aware it involves asking an oper. |
| 00:05.50 | g4lt | cafuego get a supporter.pdpc ;P |
| 00:06.05 | cafuego | g4lt: Would I do that by donating? |
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| 00:06.17 | sussudio | or supporter.fctwenthe |
| 00:06.18 | g4lt | cafuego yes |
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| 00:06.52 | cafuego | g4lt: I'm not giving freenode money as long as they don't ban *.cox.net and *.rima-tde.net and *!knoppix@*.* |
| 00:07.02 | sussudio | cafuego: and *.fr |
| 00:07.10 | medgno | and *.net |
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| 00:07.17 | medgno | and *.com while we're at it |
| 00:07.33 | medgno | oh, the hell with it. *!*.* |
| 00:07.42 | cafuego | medgno: ha-ha |
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| 00:07.57 | g4lt | cafuego that's a chanop issue, and why can't you? if you're talking k-lines, so far, they're not responsible for large-scale network abuse AIUI |
| 00:08.17 | cafuego | g4lt: No, they're not, they just annoy me more often than not ;-) |
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| 00:09.00 | cafuego | See! See! |
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| 00:09.27 | g4lt | cafuego then /ban them. it's not as if >I< can |
| 00:09.38 | cafuego | g4lt: What makes you think *I* can? |
| 00:09.53 | g4lt | cafuego you're #3? |
| 00:10.07 | cafuego | I what? |
| 00:10.16 | petemc | !+ops |
| 00:10.16 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: asuffield, bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk |
| 00:10.24 | idnar | no cafuego in sight |
| 00:10.43 | g4lt | grrr, caphuego screwed me again ;( |
| 00:10.48 | petemc | heh |
| 00:10.48 | LoRez | petemc: yes? |
| 00:10.58 | idnar | g4lt: you mean cafuso? *duck* |
| 00:11.00 | petemc | LoRez: was clarifying a situation |
| 00:11.12 | g4lt | LoRez he was proving to me I got the wrong half of the caphuego-monster |
| 00:11.17 | LoRez | petemc: and what situation was you clarifying? |
| 00:11.24 | LoRez | er, were |
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| 00:11.38 | petemc | LoRez: are you being obtuse, read the scrollback |
| 00:11.42 | LoRez | petemc: do a tell next time or get +q'ed |
| 00:11.56 | petemc | no need for the blown gasket |
| 00:12.02 | LoRez | petemc: I will not. the use of that is to get an ops attention, not for your personal amusement. |
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| 00:12.13 | petemc | whatever dude |
| 00:12.21 | cafuego | LoRez: relax |
| 00:12.25 | g4lt | LoRez actually, it's just a damn factoid. get your panties out of a bunch |
| 00:12.48 | Hyp3rion | heh |
| 00:12.51 | g4lt | LoRez they could put ANYONE in that factoid |
| 00:12.52 | LoRez | g4lt: a factoid whose sole purpose is to get chanops attention. |
| 00:12.54 | Hyp3rion | my god |
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| 00:13.01 | TomaHawK | what causes the following ? /var/log/auth.log:2090:May 24 06:55:03 localhost sshd[1704]: Did not receive identification string from X.X.X.X |
| 00:13.10 | TomaHawK | X.X.X.X being an IP |
| 00:13.11 | cafuego | LoRez: Can you tell me where it says it should be used ONLY to get a chanops attention? |
| 00:13.17 | largo- | can someone help me alter a rpm? |
| 00:13.28 | largo- | i need to switch out a file inside a rpm. |
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| 00:13.41 | LoRez | cafuego: fine, the topic will list it soon enough. |
| 00:13.44 | anonobomber | largo-, lol from windows? |
| 00:13.48 | cafuego | LoRez: alien -t foo.rpm |
| 00:13.52 | cafuego | eh, largo :-) |
| 00:13.53 | petemc | heh |
| 00:14.09 | largo- | anono: nah, tho i do know him. diff largo |
| 00:14.26 | cafuego | !lart largo- |
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| 00:14.41 | largo- | so anyways, can someone help me alter a rpm? |
| 00:14.52 | cafuego | Wow, 40x24. When I was your age we used to DREAM of a terminal that big. |
| 00:14.58 | aztecinc | peters: are there any html/php editors capable of uploading with sftp? |
| 00:15.14 | petemc | vim |
| 00:15.20 | cafuego | largo-: Turn it into a tarball using alien -t. Unpack, edit. |
| 00:15.22 | peterS | petemc: vim has a sftp module? |
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| 00:15.30 | cafuego | aztecinc: Quanta Plus |
| 00:15.38 | petemc | peterS: no, but you can ssh from within vim |
| 00:15.45 | largo- | cafuego: alien? |
| 00:15.46 | cafuego | aztecinc: it claims to be able to anyway, when i tried, it just kinda crashed. |
| 00:15.50 | Hyp3rion | largo-, get total commander with rpm plugin from http://ghisler.com/ |
| 00:15.52 | dan2 | aztecinc: emacs |
| 00:15.53 | cafuego | largo-: alien |
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| 00:16.08 | cafuego | dan2: emacs is not an editor |
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| 00:16.14 | TomaHawK | largo- alien (1p) - Convert or install an alien binary package |
| 00:16.17 | peterS | petemc: I don't understand why you'd want to run an interactive shell command inside an editor that wasn't emacs |
| 00:16.19 | abydos | bbl, t-storm |
| 00:16.23 | dan2 | cafuego: it has some half ass editor, but its able to do just about everything |
| 00:16.41 | kerx | Guys, It seems that I when I have taken out the CD-ROm drive, the Hard-drive has switched from /dev/hdc to /dev/hda and now it is causing a Kernel Panic it cant mount the root drive |
| 00:16.54 | Hyp3rion | abydos, tsunami? |
| 00:17.06 | cafuego | kerx: it only did that if you physically switched cables on the hdd. |
| 00:17.20 | largo- | toma: isnt there a way to just use rpm or rpm2cpio to extract a rpm into it's .spec files and other files. |
| 00:17.21 | petemc | peterS: i cant remember the exact syntax, but you can specify a file ona remote system from within vim, which is a close approximation of using sftp after editting |
| 00:17.38 | petemc | bah |
| 00:17.39 | Hyp3rion | kerx, boot with the root=/dev/hda option then |
| 00:17.40 | TomaHawK | goddamn, I cant ssh to my machine, it aint letting me in |
| 00:17.44 | stew | largo-: wrong channel. you want #redhat |
| 00:18.01 | largo- | stew: yeah but #debian knows more about redhat then #redhat |
| 00:18.02 | stew | largo-: there is no rpm command in debian |
| 00:18.14 | fooz | largo-, if it's an SRPM then just install it |
| 00:18.15 | cafuego | stew: You are misteken, there (sadly) is. |
| 00:18.16 | anonobomber | stew, apt-get install rpm |
| 00:18.16 | g4lt | stew BTW, there is, alien depends on it |
| 00:18.25 | stew | omg |
| 00:18.30 | stew | didn't know that sorry |
| 00:18.31 | thomas_adam | Something is causing my HDD to "strain" every few seconds, yet I cannot see _any_ process that could cause this, even by watching 'qps' intensely. It's not the journal for ext3, and I have all my partitions mounted with the 'noatime' option. Anything I should look for? ACPI is off in the BIOS. The only started happening that I know of since yesterday. |
| 00:18.35 | aztecinc | dan2: I think I was misunderstood! I need to be able to write these files localy and send them up to a remote server via sftp I can just write them then sftp in and upload them that way, but I am trying to eleminate a step here. |
| 00:18.35 | Pip | has anyone installed from sarge-i386 netinst with success |
| 00:18.52 | anonobomber | lsb includes rpm in its spec |
| 00:18.53 | dan2 | peterS: if I can convince upstream to accept some of this code, I won't need to fork it |
| 00:19.03 | kerx | cafuego, i didn't switch cables |
| 00:19.04 | Eagle3 | Pip: I think I used sarge netinst |
| 00:19.08 | petemc | Pip: many people |
| 00:19.13 | cafuego | i woke up this morning with a bad hangover, and my penis was missing again |
| 00:19.22 | anonobomber | Pip, many systems |
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| 00:19.25 | Eagle3 | !lart cafuego |
| 00:19.26 | guestish | i dont want to know this |
| 00:19.27 | cafuego | kerx: Then what USED to be hdc is not hda now. |
| 00:19.33 | thomas_adam | cafuego: left a hole in your forehead? |
| 00:19.34 | g4lt | cafuego damn detachable penii.... |
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| 00:19.42 | idnar | cafuego: does this happen on a frequent basis? |
| 00:19.45 | TomaHawK | cafuego too much information |
| 00:19.50 | Eagle3 | tmi |
| 00:19.52 | cafuego | g4lt is the only one who got it |
| 00:19.52 | Pip | I have a problem that I cannot allocate what h/d is what |
| 00:19.54 | dan2 | !lart cafuego |
| 00:20.02 | largo- | never installed a src rpm before.. tried it, not sure where it put it's junk |
| 00:20.02 | Eagle3 | lol |
| 00:20.03 | TomaHawK | who knows a lot of sshd ? :) |
| 00:20.05 | dan2 | !what does cafuego pay you for? |
| 00:20.05 | dpkg | sometimes cafuego insists on anal stimulation, dan2, but I'm open to suggestions! |
| 00:20.06 | aztecinc | AMBER ALERT for Missing Penis |
| 00:20.23 | debian | TomaHawK: he's a nice guy |
| 00:20.44 | Hyp3rion | aztecinc, fuck off! |
| 00:20.55 | anonobomber | Hyp3rion, does that mean you found it? |
| 00:20.55 | Hyp3rion | its not funny! |
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| 00:21.17 | Eagle3 | hmph |
| 00:21.19 | Hyp3rion | anonobomber, i dont care if he lost his penis |
| 00:21.28 | Hyp3rion | anonobomber, but amber alert is not funny |
| 00:21.28 | g4lt | aztecinc STFW for King Missile |
| 00:21.28 | aztecinc | my humble apologies |
| 00:21.37 | cafuego | Hyp3rion: it's a bloody song |
| 00:21.46 | TomaHawK | wrong subject here |
| 00:21.48 | Hyp3rion | cafuego, ? |
| 00:21.50 | TomaHawK | cya in a while |
| 00:21.51 | cafuego | Hyp3rion: Which happens to be playing here at the moment |
| 00:21.53 | Eagle3 | cafuego: yeah I guess it would be kind of bloody :/ |
| 00:21.55 | g4lt | Hyp3rion speaking of panties in a bunch.... |
| 00:22.01 | Hyp3rion | ?? |
| 00:22.09 | bougyman | PlanR: ? |
| 00:22.11 | debuser | is there any easy way to add new resolutions? |
| 00:22.17 | g4lt | there is NOTHING above humor |
| 00:22.26 | Eagle3 | debuser: edit XF86Config-4? |
| 00:22.30 | cafuego | Hyp3rion: You're not originally from #gentoo, are you? |
| 00:22.33 | debuser | i've tried reconfiguring x, editing the config file, and running the x configurator |
| 00:22.38 | debuser | nothing is workin |
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| 00:22.58 | Eagle3 | debuser: you added the res in XF86Config-4...then the resolution wouldn't work? |
| 00:23.00 | anonobomber | debuser, you edited it for your default resolution? |
| 00:23.00 | debian | Hyp3rion: hi |
| 00:23.01 | g4lt | cafuego I suspect he's LoRez's twin, separated at birth, given their humor quotients |
| 00:23.12 | anonobomber | err color depth |
| 00:23.18 | debuser | how do i set which is the default res? |
| 00:23.24 | cafuego | coz i hear they devoice, kick, ban, and hunt down your family if you so much as *BuuuUUUUrp* on the channel. |
| 00:23.27 | debian | Hyp3rion: g'morning! |
| 00:23.34 | anonobomber | debuser, the first one for your colordepth is the default |
| 00:23.54 | Hyp3rion | cafuego, i am originally from #drdos, then #win3.1, then #debian-slink, and i tried many since, #gentoo too, but i use #debian and will for quite q while i think |
| 00:24.07 | Hyp3rion | gentto took 2 days to install, which is a joke. |
| 00:24.12 | dan2 | what is an ITH? |
| 00:24.19 | cafuego | petemc: Don't do that, it's just for calling an op. |
| 00:24.23 | cafuego | petemc: last warning. |
| 00:24.25 | Eagle3 | debuser: there should be a parameter called DefaultDepth in your config |
| 00:24.27 | petemc | heh |
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| 00:24.32 | debuser | anonobomber, i have "1600x1200" as the first res for my default depth |
| 00:24.43 | Eagle3 | debuser: and does it load wiith that res? |
| 00:24.55 | kerx | how do i get to the screen to be able to do root=/dev/hda |
| 00:24.58 | Hyp3rion | debian, B-l |
| 00:25.08 | Hyp3rion | debian, :@ |
| 00:25.22 | debuser | no |
| 00:25.24 | debian | Hyp3rion: :* |
| 00:25.24 | Hyp3rion | debian, i have been +q'd because !ops :-( |
| 00:25.28 | cafuego | kerx: hold down a key when lilo loads up... and your root partition is pretty much guatanteed NOT to be /dev/hda |
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| 00:25.37 | debian | Hyp3rion: what happened? |
| 00:25.42 | Hyp3rion | debian, and nearly petemc too :-/ |
| 00:25.46 | sussudio | Hyp3rion: no, that was for doing !ops and /parting the channel immediately afterwards. |
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| 00:26.02 | Eagle3 | debuser: check your X log file (usually /var/log/XFree860.log) and find out why it's not letting you use that res |
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| 00:26.19 | Hyp3rion | sussudio, 8-| okay no problem now |
| 00:26.21 | Eagle3 | debuser: search for 1600x1200 in that log file |
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| 00:27.17 | kerx | cafuego, but whats really weird is that i never moved anything, other than taking out my cd-rom drive |
| 00:27.18 | debuser | Eagle3, how do i search for specific text within the file |
| 00:27.27 | Eagle3 | debuser: what editor are you using? |
| 00:27.32 | debuser | pico |
| 00:27.44 | Pip | how do you partition on this install so I can nominate where and what the partitions are??????? |
| 00:27.58 | Eagle3 | debuser: ^W (^ stands for the ctrl key) |
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| 00:28.18 | debuser | right, silly of me |
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| 00:28.35 | mdh | hey guys, the beta3 d-i netinst cd works really well |
| 00:28.52 | debuser | Eagle3, it's telling me the vsync and hsync are out of range |
| 00:28.52 | Hyp3rion | mdh, lucky you |
| 00:28.55 | largo- | hrm.. |
| 00:28.57 | gravity | mdh: beta4 is out now |
| 00:29.02 | kerx | cafuego, whats weird is that i held down a key and it just didn't stop |
| 00:29.04 | debuser | but my monitor definitely and video card definitely supports it |
| 00:29.05 | gravity | mdh: But I'm glad to hear that |
| 00:29.10 | kerx | cafuego, does it have to be a specific key? |
| 00:29.17 | largo- | i just finished building a apt repository for redhat 7.0/7.1/7.2/7.3/8.0/and 9 |
| 00:29.18 | Pip | that is what I am having probs with the beta 4 |
| 00:29.22 | Eagle3 | debuser hmm |
| 00:29.22 | largo- | now i need to add debian to it. |
| 00:29.25 | Eagle3 | I'm thinking |
| 00:29.35 | largo- | im thinking debian will be easier. |
| 00:29.38 | mdh | gravity: I know, but I couldn't be arsed pulling it down. I needed my workstation back ASAP |
| 00:29.40 | gravity | Pip: What sort of problems? |
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| 00:29.47 | Eagle3 | debuser what kind of monitor do you have? |
| 00:29.47 | kerx | lol |
| 00:29.47 | gameduck1 | how do i boot up from single user mode?? |
| 00:29.53 | gameduck1 | cuz lilo boot up too quick?? |
| 00:29.58 | mdh | on an even brighter side it meant purging the essence of Klaus Knopper from the hard disk ;) |
| 00:29.59 | debuser | Dell M990 |
| 00:30.05 | gameduck1 | what do i hit to enter a lilo prompt?? |
| 00:30.06 | Pip | cannot config 3 h/d to what I want |
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| 00:30.08 | Hyp3rion | gameduck1, linux S |
| 00:30.12 | sbk | kerx: hit the shift key to get to the lilo prompt |
| 00:30.14 | gameduck1 | hyper. i know.. |
| 00:30.16 | debuser | Eagle3 actually the ranges aren't correct in the config file |
| 00:30.17 | stew | gameduck1: left shift |
| 00:30.18 | Hyp3rion | gameduck1, linux init=/bin/sh |
| 00:30.20 | kerx | ok thanks |
| 00:30.20 | gameduck1 | hyper. but it doesn't give me any option.. |
| 00:30.21 | mdh | well.. technically it meant not putting it on the new hard disk that replaced the dead one |
| 00:30.29 | gameduck1 | so i hit left shift |
| 00:30.32 | gameduck1 | is that all |
| 00:30.41 | debuser | Eagle3, it autodetected my monitor and apparently gave it the wrong settings? |
| 00:30.47 | Hyp3rion | gameduck1, err, no boot: prompt? |
| 00:30.50 | mdh | I rarely get to run debian installs these days :( so its just interesting to see the progress |
| 00:30.51 | gameduck1 | well |
| 00:30.53 | gameduck1 | it says |
| 00:30.54 | gameduck1 | lilo |
| 00:30.57 | gameduck1 | and then it boot up.... |
| 00:30.57 | Eagle3 | debuser: open up your X config and find out what the hsync is set to |
| 00:31.04 | Wendr | how do i get debian to turn the power off after init 0? |
| 00:31.09 | Hyp3rion | gameduck1, hit shirt ot tab or whatever |
| 00:31.11 | gameduck1 | how do i tell lilo to boot from linux -s |
| 00:31.19 | Hyp3rion | err shift |
| 00:31.20 | gameduck1 | i seee.. hyper. let me try |
| 00:31.28 | gravity | Wendr: What command are you using to shut down? |
| 00:31.29 | cafuego | gameduck1: 'linux single' ? |
| 00:31.37 | gameduck1 | yes cafuego |
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| 00:32.09 | Wendr | gravity: Well.. i push a bottom in kde... but i think it will be init 0 |
| 00:32.24 | thomas_adam | Wendr: turn on acpi or apm |
| 00:32.32 | gravity | Wendr: Are you on a laptop? You'll need acpid installed |
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| 00:32.36 | thomas_adam | Wendr: and use poweroff |
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| 00:32.55 | gravity | Wendr: Or apm, as thomas_adam says. Depends on your laptop. |
| 00:32.55 | Wendr | gravity: ill try |
| 00:32.58 | debuser | Eagle3: http://support.ap.dell.com/docs/monitors/M990/En/spec/spec.htm |
| 00:33.23 | debuser | in the config it says hsync=28-50 and vsync=43-75 |
| 00:33.32 | Hyp3rion | Eagle3, read-edid can autodetect the hsync and vsync |
| 00:33.32 | largo- | ug.. |
| 00:33.36 | largo- | my rpmbuild died..! |
| 00:33.40 | Hyp3rion | Eagle3, apt-get install read-edid |
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| 00:33.47 | lfs | How long should it be before Debian responds to bug report? |
| 00:33.48 | largo- | anyone ever made their own rpm of apt-get? |
| 00:33.48 | thomas_adam | In answer to my own question somewhere ^^^^^^ there, I don't think it is my HD -- I think my CPU fan is on the way out. |
| 00:33.56 | dondelelcaro | lfs: depends on the maintainer. |
| 00:33.57 | thomas_adam | largo-: wtf? |
| 00:33.58 | Eagle3 | Eagle3: I'm not the one who needs my hsync and vsync |
| 00:34.00 | Eagle3 | erm |
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| 00:34.07 | Wendr | gravity: It's not a laptop.. just a desktop |
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| 00:34.10 | Eagle3 | Hyp3rion I'm not the one who needs my hsync and vsync |
| 00:34.14 | dondelelcaro | lfs: sometimes minutes, some times days. |
| 00:34.16 | largo- | thomas: im trying to rebuild some rpms for apt-get so i can swap out their sources.list with my own. |
| 00:34.16 | flugh | flat-top? |
| 00:34.18 | Eagle3 | Hyp3rion: debuser needs to set his correctly |
| 00:34.19 | lfs | What happens if you dont have response for over two weeks? |
| 00:34.28 | dondelelcaro | lfs: which package? |
| 00:34.31 | thomas_adam | largo-: use alien |
| 00:34.32 | dondelelcaro | lfs: and which bug? |
| 00:34.35 | Hyp3rion | lfs, from my exp, ranges from 20 minutes to 2 years :-/ |
| 00:34.39 | Eagle3 | debuser: I looked up the specs on your monitor already...what is your hsync and vertrefresh set to in your config? |
| 00:34.40 | rich_ | thomas_adam cool. I had some answers that I would have given to newbies but I knew you would have tried all the simple stuff like top and lsof.. |
| 00:34.45 | largo- | thomas: someone else mentioned alien.. how does it work? |
| 00:34.48 | opp | how do u see the contents of my other hdd running win98se? |
| 00:34.51 | largo- | thomas: what does it do? |
| 00:34.52 | dondelelcaro | !u |
| 00:34.52 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 |
| 00:34.53 | lfs | What to do to push things along? |
| 00:35.01 | dondelelcaro | lfs: which bug number? |
| 00:35.09 | lfs | private |
| 00:35.16 | gravity | opp: Mount it |
| 00:35.23 | thomas_adam | !tell largo- about alien |
| 00:35.24 | lfs | In general. |
| 00:35.31 | mdh | lfs: fix it yourself and send in a patch to your bug report? |
| 00:35.37 | Pip | does anyone have a link for how to partition in beta 4? |
| 00:35.38 | debuser | it says i already have the latest version |
| 00:35.42 | debuser | how do i run it? |
| 00:35.46 | lfs | I need help |
| 00:35.48 | gravity | Pip: Check the d-i installation manual |
| 00:35.49 | dondelelcaro | lfs: well, it depends on the package and what you're doing. if you let me know the bug number, I'll have some sort of idea of what you can do. |
| 00:35.52 | Hyp3rion | Eagle3, or debuser, read-edid reads the hsync that the monitor says it supports. thus it hlp X to set it up correctly. during dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:36.03 | thomas_adam | largo-: TBH, if you don't know what it does or how to use it, you should not be attempting any form of package management. Are you certain that no .debs exist for your program? |
| 00:36.12 | Eagle3 | debuser: get-edid is the command I believe |
| 00:37.14 | debuser | bloody nvidia card |
| 00:37.23 | Hyp3rion | debuser, it worked for my nvidia |
| 00:37.25 | thomas_adam | rich_: Thanks for that -- what threw me was that the sound was _exactly_ like a HD having one of its funny moments... |
| 00:37.27 | opp | kde does NOT automatically mount the hdds in box? |
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| 00:37.35 | thomas_adam | opp: you're special. |
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| 00:37.39 | gravity | heh |
| 00:37.42 | largo- | thomas: im not trying to use debs. im on redhat |
| 00:37.47 | thomas_adam | FFS |
| 00:37.54 | thomas_adam | largo-: #redhat |
| 00:37.55 | beth | largo-: redhat != debian |
| 00:37.57 | gravity | largo-: Why are you in #debian? |
| 00:37.59 | largo- | thomas: i have about 1000 redhat boxes, so i setup a apt-get repository for them to use apt-get. |
| 00:38.01 | thomas_adam | largo-: #redhat |
| 00:38.04 | gravity | apt is not debian |
| 00:38.05 | apt | gravity: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 00:38.07 | thomas_adam | !tell largo- about redhat |
| 00:38.08 | largo- | #redhat < #debian |
| 00:38.09 | gravity | See? |
| 00:38.14 | largo- | i understand guys. |
| 00:38.18 | gravity | largo-: Try #fedora then |
| 00:38.19 | beth | do you think we said enough? :) |
| 00:38.22 | thomas_adam | No, no you don't. |
| 00:38.22 | largo- | #redhat knows less about redhat then #debian |
| 00:38.31 | gravity | I hope that's a joke |
| 00:38.33 | beth | that may be true.. |
| 00:38.34 | thomas_adam | !ops |
| 00:38.34 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: asuffield, bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk |
| 00:38.40 | opp | im loking at /mnt/hda1 right now, dont see anything..:( |
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| 00:38.49 | debuser | got it |
| 00:38.53 | gravity | opp: Is it mounted? |
| 00:39.01 | AfgBaby | Is cdebootstrap a sourcebased debootstrap? |
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| 00:39.05 | LoRez | thomas_adam: good luck getting any help |
| 00:39.05 | thomas_adam | largo-: i suggest you run along back to #redhat |
| 00:39.08 | gravity | opp: Just because the directory is there, doesn't mean it's mounted |
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| 00:39.13 | thomas_adam | LoRez: heh. |
| 00:39.18 | Eagle3 | debuser: got the info? |
| 00:39.28 | largo- | thomas: dont be disrepectful, ive been using debian for about 6 years. |
| 00:39.31 | debuser | i just changed the sync rates by hand according to the specs on that web page. also, i think the 1600x1200 only works with 16 depth |
| 00:39.40 | thomas_adam | WTF is it tonight? Troll picnic? largo-, AfgBaby, they're all out. |
| 00:39.42 | debuser | damn that's small |
| 00:39.42 | g4lt | largo- so? |
| 00:39.50 | thomas_adam | largo-: I couldn't give a fuck. |
| 00:39.52 | largo- | god.. |
| 00:39.55 | thomas_adam | !fuck largo- |
| 00:40.01 | g4lt | largo- if you want offtopic DSWs, you lose |
| 00:40.01 | AfgBaby | thomas_adam: hahaha thomas_adam you can eat me |
| 00:40.09 | largo- | i came here expecting nice, friendly, knowledgable people. |
| 00:40.10 | stew | didn't know that they made vibrators! |
| 00:40.14 | dondelelcaro | lfs: ok, that bug looks like a bug in gnome-font-install |
| 00:40.15 | thomas_adam | largo-: You should know better than to come here spouting redhat questions then. |
| 00:40.15 | AfgBaby | largo-: me 2 a while back |
| 00:40.18 | dondelelcaro | !hitacahi vibrator |
| 00:40.20 | AfgBaby | largo-: they're all pricks |
| 00:40.26 | dondelelcaro | !hitachi vibrator |
| 00:40.26 | dpkg | i heard hitachi vibrator is http://www.libida.com/content/shop/toys/item.php?view=toys&product_id=001 |
| 00:40.27 | largo- | thomas: it's in regards to APT-GET. |
| 00:40.28 | lfs | right, but no answer |
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| 00:40.29 | dondelelcaro | stew: ^^^^^^ |
| 00:40.29 | drega | bah |
| 00:40.29 | Eagle3 | debuser: does it work? |
| 00:40.39 | StrykerUnit | how do i create a new internet connection? |
| 00:40.41 | g4lt | largo- then you haven't been using Debian for 6 years. EVERY Debian forum is flame-central |
| 00:40.44 | stew | dondelelcaro: thanks! |
| 00:40.48 | gravity | largo-: The fedora/rh apt-get is very different from the Debian one |
| 00:40.52 | gravity | largo-: It forked a while ago |
| 00:40.55 | AfgBaby | largo-: even for debian info, I hang out at #knoppix cause they arent all cock suckers |
| 00:40.55 | largo- | g4lt: i miss openprojects.net |
| 00:40.56 | drega | how can i see what version I have installed? |
| 00:40.59 | thomas_adam | largo-: redhat handle a _port_ of apt-get to rpms. Debian does not. |
| 00:41.01 | lfs | I did send a hack fix, but I need gnome-font-install with debugger code |
| 00:41.06 | drega | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.08 | thomas_adam | drega: dpkg -l foo |
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| 00:41.10 | debuser | Eagle3: yes, perfectly |
| 00:41.13 | beth | hitachi is like *the* vibrator |
| 00:41.16 | StrykerUnit | i dont have an eth0 |
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| 00:41.20 | Eagle3 | debuser: good |
| 00:41.22 | thomas_adam | LoRez: Ah, that was the help i needed. :) |
| 00:41.26 | dondelelcaro | lfs: you can build it yourself if you want... |
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| 00:41.31 | debuser | Eagle3, thanks |
| 00:41.35 | VeganPunX | er irc.brasnet.org |
| 00:41.36 | Eagle3 | debuser: you're welcome |
| 00:41.40 | debuser | does anyone still use windowmaker? |
| 00:41.41 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: heh, lfs does = linux from scratch. |
| 00:41.50 | gravity | debuser: Plenty of people |
| 00:41.52 | thomas_adam | !tell debuser about polls |
| 00:41.55 | debuser | how do you put a new icon with a command on the desk |
| 00:41.59 | debuser | desktop |
| 00:42.02 | thomas_adam | !tell debuser about wmaker |
| 00:42.05 | cafuego | debuser: tarzeau swears by it, the rest of us swear at it. |
| 00:42.09 | debuser | damn i forgot everything |
| 00:42.16 | gravity | heh |
| 00:42.18 | StrykerUnit | i dont have an eth0 |
| 00:42.24 | beth | gravity: a very popular one, at least |
| 00:42.26 | Eagle3 | is there any visual different between 16 colordepth and 24? |
| 00:42.31 | Eagle3 | difference* |
| 00:42.33 | thomas_adam | Eagle3: Yes. |
| 00:42.34 | g4lt | cafuego well tarzeau also likes openstep ;P |
| 00:42.39 | gravity | beth: Really? I don't think I've ever seen them for sale anywhere |
| 00:42.41 | thomas_adam | Eagle3: Obviously there is. |
| 00:42.42 | g4lt | Eagle3 scads |
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| 00:42.45 | debuser | just more colors |
| 00:42.46 | cafuego | Eagle3: Depends on your video card and screen. |
| 00:42.46 | Eagle3 | thomas_adam: is it noticeable? |
| 00:42.51 | gravity | beth: Not that I'm a vibrator conessour though |
| 00:42.52 | dondelelcaro | lfs: apt-get source gnome-print; cd gnome-print-*; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot; apt-get build-dep gnome-print; DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" CXX_FLAGS="-g" CFLAGS="-g" fakeroot debian/rules binary; |
| 00:42.52 | drega | thomas_adam what am i looking for there . |
| 00:42.54 | thomas_adam | Eagle3: Are you colourblind? |
| 00:42.56 | holycow | Eagle3, only on gradients |
| 00:42.57 | debuser | i think if you have a gradient |
| 00:43.04 | drega | that got the version of everything |
| 00:43.06 | beth | gravity: obviously you don't know where to shop :) |
| 00:43.07 | Eagle3 | thomas_adam: no |
| 00:43.15 | beth | gravity: google "hitachi magic wand" |
| 00:43.16 | thomas_adam | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| 00:43.16 | thomas_adam | ii cowsay 3.03-6 A configurable talking cow |
| 00:43.16 | thomas_adam | [n6tadam@station home]$ |
| 00:43.17 | Eagle3 | well mine is set to 24...I didn't know if it'd be better/faster to set it to 16 |
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| 00:43.23 | thomas_adam | drega: ^^^^^ version |
| 00:43.29 | gravity | beth: Apparently not. Next time I'm in the market, I'll ask you for sites :-) |
| 00:43.35 | drega | woody |
| 00:43.41 | thomas_adam | drega: so? |
| 00:43.45 | Hyp3rion | AfgBaby, largo- : yay, #knoppix is full of dumb people who cant help :-/ in #debian there are smart people. and mostly no... |
| 00:43.45 | holycow | Eagle3, no diff performance wise, really no diff visually except when you have large gradients |
| 00:43.48 | thomas_adam | !tell drega about search |
| 00:43.54 | holycow | then you notice some banding |
| 00:43.55 | Hyp3rion | yay they got kicked :-( |
| 00:43.56 | dondelelcaro | gravity: goodvibrations is apparently a good place to start... |
| 00:44.08 | thomas_adam | drega: My answer satisfies your original (limited?) question. |
| 00:44.09 | Eagle3 | holycow: thanks |
| 00:44.21 | debuser | for example, i want an icon on the desktop that runs xlock when i click it |
| 00:44.27 | debuser | how do i create that in wmaker? |
| 00:44.28 | thomas_adam | drega: if it is not what you wanted, /msg dpkg ask |
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| 00:44.31 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I should check their site. I only hear good things about that company in general. |
| 00:44.32 | thomas_adam | debuser: #wmaker |
| 00:44.39 | gravity | "The Hitachi Magic Wand is considered the Cadillac of vibrators". Ha! |
| 00:44.45 | holycow | nprob |
| 00:44.51 | thomas_adam | gravity: My ex girlfriend...... |
| 00:44.55 | thomas_adam | Oh no wait... |
| 00:45.02 | thomas_adam | That's another story for another day. |
| 00:45.04 | gravity | heh |
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| 00:45.11 | g4lt | thomas_adam and a good thing, too |
| 00:45.16 | thomas_adam | g4lt: heh. |
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| 00:45.24 | debuser | thomas_adam: noone in the room |
| 00:45.26 | gameduck1 | fk gao u |
| 00:45.37 | thomas_adam | debuser: bummer. ;) |
| 00:45.47 | thomas_adam | gameduck1: quack, cluck and moo? |
| 00:45.50 | debuser | thomas_adam: i guess noone does use it |
| 00:45.56 | StrykerUnit | i did modprobe pcnet32 and still no eth0 |
| 00:45.56 | drega | hurm well i seem to be having a problem compiling applets for kde . it says configure error Qt (>= Qt 3.0.3) (library qt-mt_ not found. |
| 00:45.58 | thomas_adam | debuser: My housemate does. |
| 00:45.59 | g4lt | !confuse gameduck1 |
| 00:45.59 | Hyp3rion | debuser, what? |
| 00:45.59 | dpkg | yes, where is their snake today, gameduck1 ? by order of the monarchy of swaziland with extra anchovies |
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| 00:46.09 | thomas_adam | !tell drega about backports |
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| 00:46.14 | thomas_adam | !tell drega about simple sid backport |
| 00:46.25 | BobbyDigital | Hello, i'm fairly new to Linux. Wondering if latest Debian would work on my p166mmx, 64mb system. ? |
| 00:46.30 | debuser | i was under the impression that it's considered "old" by today's UI standards |
| 00:46.32 | StrykerUnit | can anyone help me or not? |
| 00:46.33 | debuser | but i like it |
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| 00:46.40 | searph | gameduck1: you're a weirdo .. dont join chans and eh , say stuff like that , weirdo .. |
| 00:46.43 | thomas_adam | drega: apt-get install qt-ml-dev or some such. apt-cache search qt-ml |
| 00:46.48 | g4lt | BobbyDigital yes, it'd be painful in some cases, but definitely |
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| 00:46.54 | idnar | hrm, 'fk gao u' is almost an anagram of cafuego |
| 00:47.12 | BobbyDigital | g4lt, thanks. Are there options during install to chose which windows manager i could get? |
| 00:47.18 | Hyp3rion | g4lt, debian sid works on my 486 66mhz 16meg ram box fine too. |
| 00:47.20 | g4lt | StrykerUnit I think all of the licensed shrinks are off tonight |
| 00:47.22 | Hyp3rion | yay |
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| 00:47.27 | debuser | how do i stop my monitor from power saving features? |
| 00:47.27 | thomas_adam | debuser: I use fvwm -- bar twm, that is the oldest out there -- but age != outdated. |
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| 00:47.28 | Hyp3rion | BobbyDigital, debian sid works on my 486 66mhz 16meg ram box fine too. |
| 00:47.31 | dondelelcaro | BobbyDigital: you can just decide after the fact and install whatever WM you want... |
| 00:47.33 | debuser | like turning itself off in X |
| 00:47.34 | thomas_adam | debuser: xset -dpms |
| 00:47.34 | debuser | ? |
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| 00:47.39 | g4lt | BobbyDigital yes, 'd recommend against KDE or gnome though |
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| 00:47.47 | debuser | can i put that in my startup script? |
| 00:47.57 | thomas_adam | debuser: ~/.xsession || ~/.xinitrc yes |
| 00:47.59 | gravity | BobbyDigital: You'll want a very light wm, like icewm, blackbox, windowmaker, or pwm |
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| 00:48.04 | BobbyDigital | Hyp3rion: sounds good ,what are you doing with that system though? |
| 00:48.04 | g4lt | Hyp3rion painful meaning won't run the latest WMs |
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| 00:48.17 | thomas_adam | gravity: !! really -- no fvwm listed? Shame on you. |
| 00:48.22 | BlakeZombie | how do u change your background in flux? |
| 00:48.23 | holycow | http://deviceforge.com/news/NS5528450.html <-- jesus, some of these low powered cpus are rated same as my systems here |
| 00:48.33 | thomas_adam | BlakeZombie: bbfg |
| 00:48.35 | gravity | thomas_adam: Fuck. You're right, that was the one I was blanking on |
| 00:48.37 | Hyp3rion | g4lt, BobbyDigital, heh true. it runs fvwm2 and icewm :-/ |
| 00:48.47 | thomas_adam | BlakeZombie: that was just a guess. |
| 00:48.47 | holycow | and theres now a 400mhz cpu that runs on 1.1 w! heh, man that is pretty much a decent workstation |
| 00:48.49 | gravity | thomas_adam: I knew there was a standard reply that I was missing |
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| 00:49.05 | thomas_adam | BlakeZombie: apt-get install chbg <-- will do just as well./ |
| 00:49.11 | Hyp3rion | BobbyDigital, its for my parents for text editing and printing that, mostly... abiword runs fine too... |
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| 00:49.31 | BobbyDigital | nice |
| 00:49.34 | idnar | heh |
| 00:49.53 | sbetore | I overdrove a 486 here |
| 00:50.02 | sbetore | It's now a thin client |
| 00:50.05 | Hyp3rion | heh how sbetore? |
| 00:50.23 | Hyp3rion | overclocking a 486? |
| 00:50.23 | sbetore | ltsp |
| 00:50.23 | Hyp3rion | ya :-) |
| 00:50.23 | sbetore | oh, no |
| 00:50.37 | sbetore | as in, I switched CPU's |
| 00:50.44 | g4lt | sbetore dickless, or semi-thin? ;P |
| 00:50.44 | mdh | its always reassuring to read on a website of a vibrator store that they emphasise they only sell brand new equipment |
| 00:50.52 | sbetore | as in I inserted an Intel OverDrive |
| 00:51.03 | g4lt | sbetore ahh, a Evergreen 133? |
| 00:51.19 | sbetore | no, DX4 100 |
| 00:51.27 | sbetore | g4lt: It's got a disk |
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| 00:51.38 | sbetore | I've made a dd-image of a disk |
| 00:51.45 | g4lt | bah, that isn't special. AMD133 is special |
| 00:51.50 | BlakeZombie | is it possible to overclock a 486? |
| 00:51.52 | debuser | thomas_adam: just create the file and add the line? |
| 00:51.56 | sbetore | How can I find the byte offset for a given partition? |
| 00:51.58 | sbk | speaking of thin clients -- are there any cheap (== < US$25) devices with a flat screen (lcd?) that can work as a serial terminal? Don't want to boot, nor want a big footprint. |
| 00:52.00 | sbetore | for loopdev |
| 00:52.04 | g4lt | BlakeZombie sort of |
| 00:52.05 | debuser | nothing else needed in the file? |
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| 00:52.20 | thomas_adam | !xsession |
| 00:52.20 | tux-debian | ok |
| 00:52.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xsession is ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession' |
| 00:52.22 | g4lt | BlakeZombie you use a clock-doubler |
| 00:52.37 | Hyp3rion | heh |
| 00:52.39 | sbetore | sbk: With a FLAT SCREEN? Good friggin luck |
| 00:52.39 | BlakeZombie | oh |
| 00:52.49 | beth | BlakeZombie: just get a couple dozen and cluster them |
| 00:52.49 | Hyp3rion | i guess a 486 will burn at the doubled clock rate |
| 00:53.03 | Hyp3rion | if you dont use liquid nitrogen cooling |
| 00:53.06 | debian | sbk: go to ebay for some pison, good luck though. :) |
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| 00:53.12 | BlakeZombie | I was just thinkin that |
| 00:53.14 | g4lt | sbk try some of the rackmount terminals. some of them may be available for a song soon |
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| 00:53.34 | sbk | debian/sbetore/g4lt: cool -- thanks for the pointers |
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| 00:53.44 | g4lt | Hyp3rion nuts, why do you think there's DX4/100's |
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| 00:54.09 | sbetore | I really want a rackmount serial term |
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| 00:54.22 | sbetore | I could think about retiring my two greenscreens |
| 00:54.23 | Hyp3rion | g4lt? |
| 00:54.27 | sbetore | ...nah. |
| 00:54.36 | debuser | thomas_adam: now it won't start x |
| 00:54.36 | debian | sbk: psion, even |
| 00:54.42 | Hyp3rion | g4lt, a dx4 at 100 overclocked to 200 wont work will it? |
| 00:54.44 | sbetore | VT220, and HP150B |
| 00:54.44 | debuser | which i make .xinitrc and add that line |
| 00:54.59 | sussudio | i have one that will go to 160 |
| 00:55.19 | sbetore | You should see me nowadays outside |
| 00:55.21 | g4lt | Hyp3rion you can clock-double 486en right up to about 4x without too many consequences. and no, you can't clock-octuple |
| 00:55.26 | sbetore | (a rare occasion) |
| 00:55.29 | sbk | debian: *nod* got it. |
| 00:55.54 | Hyp3rion | g4lt, :-D |
| 00:55.57 | Hyp3rion | g4lt, cool |
| 00:56.00 | sbetore | anyway, I've got my laptop in my back pack, with an RS232 cable to the Cassiopeia on my arm |
| 00:56.00 | Hyp3rion | !dict octuple |
| 00:56.02 | dpkg | Dictionary 'octuple' having eight units or components [syn: {eightfold}] |
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| 00:56.10 | thomas_adam | debuser: one moment... |
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| 00:56.44 | sbetore | which looks like a hugely oversized leather wristwatch with two straps |
| 00:56.46 | thomas_adam | dpkg, xsession is also see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 00:56.46 | dpkg | okay, thomas_adam |
| 00:56.51 | g4lt | Hyp3rion remember that a DX>4</100 is already quadrupled, or in Blue Thunder's case, tripled |
| 00:56.55 | thomas_adam | debuser: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 00:57.10 | solarce | I was curious if anyone knew which sdl package provides SDL.h, I am attempting to compile MythMusic and it fails upon not finding SDL.h |
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| 00:57.22 | sbetore | No, the DX4 isn't quad |
| 00:57.32 | sbetore | It's basically a Pentium, with a 486 pinout |
| 00:57.38 | g4lt | sbetore it's a clock-quadrupled 25 |
| 00:57.41 | sbetore | like the intel 486slc - 386 pinout |
| 00:57.51 | Hyp3rion | oh |
| 00:57.54 | solarce | I had a 50Mhz DX4 once upon a time |
| 00:57.55 | sbetore | g4lt: the SX was 25 |
| 00:57.59 | holycow | how do i find how much ram is actually being consumed by all the processes on the system? free tells me 1.5 gigs is used but most of that must be swap? |
| 00:57.59 | sbetore | the DX was 33 |
| 00:58.10 | sbetore | the DX2 was 66 |
| 00:58.11 | thomas_adam | holycow: free |
| 00:58.14 | sbetore | but sometimes ran as 50 |
| 00:58.20 | thomas_adam | holycow: It's the only way. :) |
| 00:58.22 | stianj | sbetore: you got 33 SX and 50 DX as well |
| 00:58.25 | g4lt | sbetore you think that they actually doubled/quadrupled the ones with working mathco's? |
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| 00:58.30 | sbetore | the dx was either 100 or 133 |
| 00:58.36 | debuser | how do i find out what stuff was installed with a ceratin package? |
| 00:58.43 | debuser | there's a command that forgot for that |
| 00:58.45 | holycow | okay so which is the used ram? there is no way 1.5 gigs could be occupied as free states? |
| 00:58.47 | Hyp3rion | dpkg -L |
| 00:58.47 | dpkg | no idea, Hyp3rion |
| 00:58.50 | g4lt | sbetore Intel never made a 486/133 |
| 00:58.56 | holycow | it must be the buffers/cache --> used right? |
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| 00:58.58 | solarce | hmm |
| 00:59.05 | sbetore | g4lt: My old PC mag a |
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| 00:59.11 | sbetore | g4lt: My old PC mag says otherwise |
| 00:59.20 | g4lt | sbetore 5:1 it was an AMD |
| 00:59.38 | g4lt | AMD DID make a 486/133. hotter than hell |
| 00:59.42 | sbetore | May very well be, actually |
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| 00:59.47 | sussudio | g4lt: 586/133 |
| 00:59.55 | sparr | the imagemagick package for debian does not include lzw gif compression? |
| 01:00.00 | Hyp3rion | 286/1 |
| 01:00.07 | debian | sbetore: was that a pentium? |
| 01:00.12 | g4lt | sussudio that was an AMD onboard |
| 01:00.12 | sbetore | I'm more of a 1960s kind of retrogeek |
| 01:00.18 | sussudio | g4lt: no |
| 01:00.18 | Hyp3rion | sparr, lzw costs money |
| 01:00.22 | debian | Hyp3rion: my 286/4 beat the crap out of you. :) |
| 01:00.23 | sbetore | debian: huh? |
| 01:00.32 | g4lt | sussudio the Evergreens? AMD |
| 01:00.36 | Hyp3rion | debian, oh, i forgot something |
| 01:00.42 | sbetore | There was never an intel 586 |
| 01:00.46 | sussudio | where did i leave that thing. |
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| 01:00.51 | debuser | what's a good package for icons? |
| 01:00.57 | sbetore | You can't TM a number :) |
| 01:01.01 | debian | Hyp3rion: acctually I think my 286 is 20...my xt is 4 |
| 01:01.02 | Hyp3rion | debuser, zip? |
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| 01:01.12 | sbk | debian: the psion is an interesting idea; (first time I'm looking at it.) I take it some, but not all models have a serial port on them? |
| 01:01.15 | sbetore | debian: Usually, a CDR.. |
| 01:01.18 | debuser | i mean a package i can get with lots of good icons |
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| 01:01.20 | Hyp3rion | debian, my Playstation is 233, but 128bit! |
| 01:01.24 | sbetore | debuser: Usually, a CDR.. |
| 01:01.29 | Hyp3rion | playtstation2 |
| 01:01.33 | Hyp3rion | :-P |
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| 01:01.36 | debuser | installs right into /usr/share/icons |
| 01:01.37 | g4lt | of course, about the 486 is when Intel propagated the Megahertz Myth |
| 01:01.43 | sbetore | Hyp3rion: The PS2 is 128 bit? |
| 01:01.45 | somiaj | debuser: apt-cache search icons |
| 01:01.47 | debian | Hyp3rion: *cover ears* stop! |
| 01:01.59 | debuser | somiaj: too many results |
| 01:02.03 | sbetore | Hyp3rion: WHY ON EARTH would ANYONE make a 128bit CPU?? |
| 01:02.07 | sparr | Hyp3rion: will i have any problems compiling and installing my own? |
| 01:02.08 | debuser | does anyone know one off hand? |
| 01:02.11 | Hyp3rion | sbetore, not the address bus, but the mips rs5900 has 64bit alu and 128 bit fpu afaik |
| 01:02.14 | sbetore | g4lt: Wrong. |
| 01:02.23 | thomas_adam | debuser: did that help? |
| 01:02.23 | sbetore | Hyp3rion: Ah. |
| 01:02.27 | sbetore | Hyp3rion: I've got a MIPS |
| 01:02.33 | sparr | sbetore: for speedy access to 3.4028236692093846e+38 bytes of memory |
| 01:02.44 | sbetore | Hyp3rion: My SGI Workstation 180 mhz |
| 01:02.49 | sbetore | sparr: rofl |
| 01:02.54 | debian | Hyp3rion: do you know what makes a 128-bit cpu? |
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| 01:02.59 | g4lt | sbetore no, that's when they made faster CPUs by trivial clock magic instead of actual innovation |
| 01:03.01 | Hyp3rion | sparr linux on ps2 needs a special cd from sony |
| 01:03.01 | thomas_adam | debian: silicone? |
| 01:03.05 | debuser | thomas_adam: the webpage, yes, thanks |
| 01:03.07 | debian | sbk: the one with serial port might well beyond your budget. :) |
| 01:03.11 | thomas_adam | debuser: Cool. |
| 01:03.22 | Moose- | How would I stop cron from sending the results of a cron job to root@machine ? |
| 01:03.24 | sparr | Hyp3rion: no ps2 here, misreply? |
| 01:03.30 | sbetore | g4lt: It was around the Pentium they started doing that |
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| 01:03.33 | debuser | like deja vu, i'm starting to recollect everything from scratch again |
| 01:03.34 | sbk | debian: ah :-) okay; but thanks for the pointer anyway. it's very neat. |
| 01:03.36 | somiaj | debuser: apt-cache --names-only search icons |
| 01:03.42 | debian | thomas_adam: hehe, that was actually asked by my boss, he got complaint for giving false information on 128-bit CPU on a TV show |
| 01:03.42 | thomas_adam | debuser: Then all you do is add your "xset -dpms &" command BEFORE the exec line. |
| 01:03.53 | thomas_adam | debian: heh. |
| 01:04.09 | Hyp3rion | sbetore, i dont have an sgi... just the playstation2 has a mips cpu... actally its not a cpu but... |
| 01:04.09 | sbetore | 3.4028236692093846e+38 bytes of memory should be enough for anyone.... AND YES, YOU MAY QUOTE ME ON THAT until after it isn't. |
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| 01:04.17 | g4lt | sbetore we've just been TALKING about the trival clock magic. To wit, the clock doubling/quadrupling in the 486s |
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| 01:04.56 | sbetore | Yeah, but at that time they were designing a sexy risc cpu |
| 01:04.58 | jbr | Moose-: various ways, such as adding a MAILTO in the cronjob (man 5 crontab) |
| 01:04.59 | Pip | in beta 4 can you partition so root and swap is on a small drive and usr and home are on another 2 drives, if so how? |
| 01:05.06 | sbetore | codenamed the N-ten |
| 01:05.13 | debian | Hyp3rion, thomas_adam: he once took an advise from an MCSE that a 128-bit cpu is having 128-bit registers. |
| 01:05.14 | Hyp3rion | debian, no. what? the address bus width? registers? |
| 01:05.19 | sbetore | which didn't happen, AFAIK? |
| 01:05.27 | Moose- | jbr: is there any default cron config? (it's not in /etc/ that i can find...) i don't really need any e-mails about cron jobs. *shrugs* |
| 01:05.41 | thomas_adam | debian: rofl |
| 01:05.46 | debian | Hyp3rion, thomas_adam: he really believed it, and humilation, shame and dishonored followd. :) |
| 01:05.56 | thomas_adam | debian: I bet -- poor sod. |
| 01:05.57 | Moose- | debian: do what now? heh |
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| 01:06.10 | g4lt | debian the initials MCSE didn't do that for him? |
| 01:06.15 | Hyp3rion | debian, who> |
| 01:06.34 | debuser | somiaj, if i try to install gnome icons, will it try to install the entire gnome? |
| 01:06.38 | Hyp3rion | debian, 128bit = addrssable in 128bit chunks nope? |
| 01:06.40 | jbr | Moose-: what cronjob is it that's mailing you? start by looking around "ls /etc/cron*"! |
| 01:06.42 | sbetore | Humiliate shame and dishonor the MCSE |
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| 01:06.47 | debian | yeah, he took adivse from me and that MCSE, and it's his fault to take the wrong one. :) |
| 01:06.55 | debian | Hyp3rion: BINGO! |
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| 01:07.05 | somiaj | debuser: no, but there aren't many icons tehre if I rember correctly, you can use apt-cache show <package name> to see the dependencies |
| 01:07.06 | Hyp3rion | hmm |
| 01:07.07 | Moose- | jbr: it's mailing clamav upgrade cron information |
| 01:07.08 | debian | Hyp3rion: the keyword is *addressable*!! :) |
| 01:07.24 | sbetore | Never trust anyone labelled "merely competent" by Microsoft |
| 01:07.26 | Moose- | jbr: i want the cron to run - but not get the e-mail *shrugs* |
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| 01:07.32 | sparq_ | ls |
| 01:07.37 | sbetore | I want to take an MCSE some day |
| 01:07.40 | sparq_ | heh - wrong window |
| 01:07.44 | debian | Hyp3rion: any cpu can store registers much longer than its addressable range per cycle |
| 01:07.44 | sbetore | just for the kick of it |
| 01:07.52 | mdh | Must Consult Someone Experienced |
| 01:07.53 | Hyp3rion | !wtf MCSE? |
| 01:07.53 | dpkg | mcse is probably Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert. Must Consult Someone Else. Microsoft Certified System Engineer |
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| 01:07.59 | sussudio | g4lt: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/586.jpg |
| 01:08.05 | Hyp3rion | heh |
| 01:08.15 | sbetore | sparq_: drwxr-xr-x 2 tore tore 4096 Nov 30 16:44 xmas_sids |
| 01:08.16 | thomas_adam | sussudio: I love the "film" page starring bob2. hehehehehe |
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| 01:08.43 | sussudio | thomas_adam: badgers |
| 01:08.48 | Zap-W | is gnome supposed to be faster than kde? |
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| 01:08.56 | mdh | if a 15-yr-old can get an MCSE in 6 months, its not worth the paper its written on |
| 01:08.56 | g4lt | sussudio righ on the front, what did it say? |
| 01:08.58 | debian | Hyp3rion: if the cpu can address n-bit in 1-cycle, it's n-bit cpu. I really don't know about PS2, but I think it's not a real 128-bit cpu. :) |
| 01:08.59 | starnix | perl or python? |
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| 01:09.11 | debian | Hyp3rion: or may be you come back from future and bring us the PS4. :) |
| 01:09.12 | Hyp3rion | debian, i am not a cpu xpert :-D the sony page sais pd2 is 128 bit. thy are lyieing then :-( |
| 01:09.20 | sussudio | g4lt: AMD 586 |
| 01:09.24 | sparq_ | sbetore: sudo cat /etc/shadow |
| 01:09.25 | jbr | Moose-: "MAILTO=blackhole"? or add a ">/dev/null"? (I'd probably try to get it to write to a log) |
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| 01:09.34 | g4lt | sussudio say it with me: Ad-va-nced Mi-cro De-vi-ces |
| 01:09.34 | thomas_adam | starnix: ruby |
| 01:09.38 | debian | Hyp3rion: sony=lying. :) |
| 01:09.45 | sbetore | well it's a lingeek lingeek lingeek lingeek SEGFAULT SEGFAULT lingeek lingeek lingeek OO AN MCSE... MCSEEEE |
| 01:09.50 | g4lt | sussudio that was an AMD onboard |
| 01:09.57 | starnix | i need to learn from scratch a shell to code my own shell scpripts. which one is better? ineed st powrfull. perl or python? |
| 01:10.00 | mdh | Zap-W: I haven't found much difference, nothing worth writing home about anyway |
| 01:10.01 | Hyp3rion | debian, what i really need is a superscalar HYPS |
| 01:10.02 | g4lt | want the timestamp? |
| 01:10.16 | suntech | Hi ... I have a problem getting the nvidia-glx package to run on my Debian Woody ... it gives me an error loading the kernel module or something, anyone familiar with this kinda install at all ? [using GForce2] |
| 01:10.19 | sbetore | sparq_: -bash: sudo: command not found |
| 01:10.23 | sbetore | -bash: sudo: command not found |
| 01:10.23 | sbetore | eh, whoops |
| 01:10.27 | sussudio | g4lt: it's a socketed cpu, it's not soldered onto a board. |
| 01:10.31 | sbetore | starnix: Machine code. |
| 01:10.32 | Hyp3rion | starnix, Haskell! |
| 01:10.33 | debian | Hyp3rion: what the heck is that? :) |
| 01:10.37 | sbetore | starnix: ON PUNCH CARDS. |
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| 01:10.52 | sbetore | starnix: WITH JCL |
| 01:10.57 | sbetore | starnix: MAHAUAHUAHUA!!!! |
| 01:10.57 | Hyp3rion | debian, HYp3rion Processor System |
| 01:10.58 | g4lt | sussudio does that change the manufacturer? |
| 01:11.03 | Moose- | it's a 128-bit memory bus, not processor. |
| 01:11.05 | Moose- | for the ps2 |
| 01:11.11 | Hyp3rion | oh |
| 01:11.13 | debian | Hyp3rion: to the hell. :) |
| 01:11.18 | starnix | im serious |
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| 01:11.39 | g4lt | sussudio BTW, you'll find that chip was hotter than hell |
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| 01:11.46 | Hyp3rion | starnix, heh |
| 01:11.48 | Moose- | jbr: hmmm |
| 01:11.53 | sussudio | g4lt: not really. i overclocked it to 160mhz. |
| 01:11.57 | debian | Hyp3rion: but HYPS is a good name. For a brief moment I thought it's something serious. :) |
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| 01:11.59 | stew | starnix: what languages have you programmed in before? |
| 01:12.04 | ricochet | suntech, i have a Geforce2 Go, seems to work fine... |
| 01:12.11 | drega | thomas_adam what am i looking for there . |
| 01:12.20 | Zap-W | mdh : what does "writing home about " mean |
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| 01:12.31 | Moose- | jbr: man cron doesn't mention anything about being able to do that. |
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| 01:12.35 | sbetore | suntech: Don't you need nvidia-kernel too? |
| 01:12.35 | Hyp3rion | debian, HYPS is seroius. it is ternary and thus superscalar |
| 01:12.38 | Moose- | jbr: MAILTO i mean |
| 01:12.40 | thomas_adam | stew: It's not language semantics as it is programming constructs that define whether one can program in a given language. |
| 01:12.46 | sussudio | < g4lt> AMD DID make a 486/133. hotter than hell < sussudio> g4lt: 586/133 |
| 01:12.49 | g4lt | sussudio in 486 terms "hotter than hell" meant "not coolable by convection" |
| 01:12.53 | debuser | somiaj, actually, they're not that bad at all |
| 01:12.53 | jbr | Moose-: man 5 crontab? |
| 01:12.55 | thomas_adam | drega: Hmm? |
| 01:12.55 | mdh | Zap-W: not worth mentioning |
| 01:12.56 | debian | Hyp3rion: it is until someone know what 'H' means. :) |
| 01:12.57 | sbetore | Zap-W: Wow, data asked that same question in TNG |
| 01:12.59 | suntech | sbetore - i downloaded that i just seem to be kinda lost as to how to get that to run properly ... i guess that would be the problem |
| 01:13.05 | suntech | ricochet - hmm ... |
| 01:13.08 | Moose- | jbr: ohhh, thanks :) |
| 01:13.12 | drega | eh sorry .. i was on the wrong keyboard not looking |
| 01:13.15 | Eagle3 | how come X is giving me this error when I have my hsync defined in my X config: (WW) RADEON(0): Generic Monitor: Using default hsync range of 28.00-33.00kHz |
| 01:13.17 | drega | ignore that |
| 01:13.18 | Hyp3rion | debian, YAY "h" ecchi? |
| 01:13.27 | suntech | sbetore - think you could lend me a hand with that one ? |
| 01:13.33 | stew | thomas_adam: agreed. my personal opinion is that he could probably do everything he wants in either. |
| 01:13.35 | jaxxan | what's the command to reconfigure a package that's already installed ? |
| 01:13.36 | sparq_ | sbetore: su; grep root /etc/shadow |
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| 01:13.47 | thomas_adam | jaxxan: dpkg-reconfigure foo |
| 01:13.53 | g4lt | sussudio they also made a 486/133, it was a 486/66 clocked to fuck and gone |
| 01:14.00 | thomas_adam | g4lt: hehehe |
| 01:14.07 | sussudio | g4lt: they made a 120 |
| 01:14.10 | thomas_adam | g4lt: WTF was the point of that? |
| 01:14.10 | jaxxan | ahh... thanks |
| 01:14.11 | Zap-W | mdh : tell you the truth , i didn't find much difference either , ..at times gnome responsiveness seems really bad.., |
| 01:14.14 | sbetore | suntech: apt-get install kernel-headers-(versio) |
| 01:14.21 | sbetore | suntech: and get nvidia's shell script |
| 01:14.24 | debuser | xine question: how do you make it loop by default on all files opened? |
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| 01:14.33 | g4lt | thomas_adam to be faster than Intel, of course |
| 01:15.01 | Zap-W | mdh : actually i think QT runs smoother than gtk...and gnome stuff |
| 01:15.04 | Eagle3 | anyone know why X would be setting my hsync and vertical refresh to the default values when I have the values I want defined in my X config? |
| 01:15.04 | suntech | sbetore - kernel-headers-[version] <-- would that be my kernel version ? and by nvidia's shell script you mean the one that's to be found on their website, right ? |
| 01:15.08 | thomas_adam | stew: It does make me smile when people say "I found XYZ easier to program" -- what they mean is, they liked the syntax. But I bet you -- remove 50% of people to another language and they'd crumble. |
| 01:15.12 | tummen | anyone not too busy for perhaps a simpel question? |
| 01:15.16 | Moose- | jbr: hmm, added a MAILTO="" like it says, before the cron. hopefully that works. thanks for your help |
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| 01:15.24 | thomas_adam | !tell tummen about ask |
| 01:15.26 | Hyp3rion | debian, or are you caught by carnivore now? srry :-( |
| 01:15.33 | sbetore | suntech: yep |
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| 01:15.38 | mdh | Zap-W: I've ditched both of them (again). Just running plain openbox now... well, actually I have docker and gaim and gdesklets ;) |
| 01:15.45 | g4lt | tummen we're not too busy for any question, save "anyone here not too busy for a question?" |
| 01:15.54 | sussudio | g4lt: they made a 486dx2-80, a 486dx4-120 and then the 586-133 |
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| 01:16.07 | sbetore | suntech: also apt-get install build-essentials |
| 01:16.12 | suntech | sbetore - alrighty, getting the headers package |
| 01:16.17 | thomas_adam | sbetore: build-essential |
| 01:16.17 | suntech | will do, thanks :) |
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| 01:16.31 | sbetore | suntech: also apt-get install build-essential sorry |
| 01:16.42 | suntech | gotcha |
| 01:16.47 | suntech | thx @ thomas_adam :p |
| 01:16.54 | tummen | okay heh...i just installed a new kernel...from 2.2.20 to 2.4.18-1-k7 ...now i cant find my interfaces on ifconfig..im not that good on linux.. |
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| 01:16.59 | thomas_adam | suntech: Heh, no worries. It's an easy slip to make. |
| 01:17.00 | ratbert90 | hey, Anybody have any experiance setting up an ice cast server or something equivalent? |
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| 01:17.17 | thomas_adam | !tell ratbert90 about ask |
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| 01:17.19 | thomas_adam | !tell ratbert90 about polls |
| 01:17.42 | ratbert90 | gah |
| 01:17.48 | ratbert90 | I DONT like having people being jerks |
| 01:17.51 | ratbert90 | why did you do that? |
| 01:17.52 | thomas_adam | tummen: you need to load the appropriate module for your NIC. |
| 01:18.02 | stew | ratbert90: he's trying to be helpful |
| 01:18.09 | thomas_adam | tummen: When you have done that, echo "name" >> /etc/modules |
| 01:18.14 | ratbert90 | I need help setting up an icecast server |
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| 01:18.23 | ratbert90 | And I wanted to know how to do it |
| 01:18.26 | ratbert90 | The man pages suck |
| 01:18.28 | Hyp3rion | ratbert90, xipg.org |
| 01:18.28 | thomas_adam | tummen: the settings for the NIC remain unchanged in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:18.29 | tummen | thomas_adam: how do i load the right module? |
| 01:18.31 | debian | dpkg jerk |
| 01:18.31 | dpkg | i heard jerk is someone who needs something to do. |
| 01:18.32 | g4lt | ratbert90 then ask your fucking question and quit being a jerk |
| 01:18.40 | ratbert90 | g4lt, language plz |
| 01:18.43 | ratbert90 | cussing is bad |
| 01:18.47 | thomas_adam | tummen: you use "dmesg | less" to find your NIC. |
| 01:18.51 | stew | cussing is fuckin great |
| 01:18.53 | g4lt | ratbert90 no, YOU watch your language |
| 01:18.53 | Guerin | ratbert90: bullshit |
| 01:18.53 | thomas_adam | tummen: and "lspci" |
| 01:19.00 | ratbert90 | gah |
| 01:19.03 | suntech | lol just woke up my sister over trying to get my debian cd out of the other room, crap |
| 01:19.04 | Guerin | ratbert90: we're all adults here |
| 01:19.05 | ratbert90 | debian users |
| 01:19.08 | sussudio | Guerin: baah |
| 01:19.09 | ratbert90 | all jerks |
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| 01:19.13 | thomas_adam | Moo |
| 01:19.18 | sbetore | ratbert90: YOU just came into the _FUCKING_ channel, don't tell us how to speak when we give you free support. |
| 01:19.24 | suntech | sbetore - alrighty, got all the deb's ... now what do i do ? |
| 01:19.25 | thomas_adam | sbetore: too late. |
| 01:19.29 | debian | sbetore: he left like a coward |
| 01:19.35 | Hyp3rion | NO |
| 01:19.39 | thomas_adam | suntech: dpkg -i |
| 01:19.39 | Hyp3rion | please |
| 01:19.40 | sbetore | thomas_adam: I gathered. |
| 01:19.51 | thomas_adam | sbetore: Besides you shouldn't feed the trolls. :) |
| 01:19.51 | debian | suntech: slap her. :) |
| 01:19.51 | Hyp3rion | #debian is such a good place sometimes |
| 01:20.10 | suntech | debian - will do, sir ! :P lol |
| 01:20.11 | debian | Hyp3rion: it's a slaughter house. We feed on newbies |
| 01:20.16 | g4lt | Hyp3rion it usually is, unless you have lusers that can' be good sports |
| 01:20.20 | sbetore | suntech: First, sh NVIDIA* |
| 01:20.21 | suntech | thomas_adam - huh ? wats that sposed to do |
| 01:20.30 | suntech | sbetore - aighty |
| 01:20.30 | debian | suntech: she might reinstall it with XP. Stooooop her. :) |
| 01:20.35 | sbetore | which gives you the NVIDIA driver script |
| 01:20.45 | sbetore | (should) :) |
| 01:20.50 | suntech | debian - nah it totally toasted that puter so i was like screw that microcraps gotta go |
| 01:20.56 | suntech | sbetore aighty hold up |
| 01:20.59 | Guerin | debian: no, that's just the rep. Plenty of newbies who took the time to think and not be offended and rtfm get all the help they need, and training on how to be a good computer user to boot |
| 01:21.02 | thomas_adam | suntech: Sorry -- I'm jumping in mid-thread. |
| 01:21.10 | tummen | thomas_adam: okay tried both those commands...dont really know how to continue from that though... |
| 01:21.17 | suntech | guh, gotta close X for that ... |
| 01:21.22 | thomas_adam | Guerin: s/to boot/init/ |
| 01:21.27 | suntech | any way I can get around closing X and still running the sh script |
| 01:21.29 | tummen | there aint any command to autodetect my interfaces again? |
| 01:21.40 | Guerin | !comedian thomas_adam |
| 01:21.45 | thomas_adam | tummen: that's ok -- for the "lspci" output, do you see your network card? |
| 01:22.01 | debian | Guerin: I think the major problem is that we could identify a jerk in less that 2 sentence and respond according. |
| 01:22.01 | Guerin | must.... automate.... |
| 01:22.17 | tummen | yeah i find 2 ethernet controllers...that should be them |
| 01:22.19 | Zap-W | where does gdm keep per user settings for choice of WM and language enviroment |
| 01:22.19 | Guerin | debian: yeah, the shit-sensor in here is pretty well-tuned |
| 01:22.20 | Zap-W | ?? |
| 01:22.27 | thomas_adam | dpkg, comedian is (.*?)<Reply> $1 just cracks me up. |
| 01:22.28 | dpkg | thomas_adam: okay |
| 01:22.30 | g4lt | Hyp3rion uhm, what do you expect us to do with abuseive lusers, pray tell? |
| 01:22.32 | debian | Hyp3rion: well, if you /last ratbert90 you could find that he's asking for trouble |
| 01:22.37 | thomas_adam | !comedian me |
| 01:22.42 | guestish | g4lt: give them da boot |
| 01:22.43 | Moose- | hyp3: you were afraid of #freebsd with good reason. have you seen most bsd users? :) |
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| 01:22.47 | Hyp3rion | sussudio, do you have pictures of sparc and mips cpus too? |
| 01:22.51 | thomas_adam | dpkg, forget comedian |
| 01:22.51 | dpkg | thomas_adam: i forgot comedian |
| 01:22.52 | suntech | sbetore - do you know ? sh NV* --help doesn't gimme any info about cmd line parameters that would make it ignore X running ... does that mean i imperatively have to shut it down ? |
| 01:22.58 | Guerin | !comedian thomas_adam |
| 01:22.59 | debian | Hyp4rion: <ratbert90> And I wanted to know how to do it |
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| 01:23.07 | debian | Hyp3rion: <ratbert90> The man pages suck |
| 01:23.12 | thomas_adam | suntech: chmod +x ./NV* |
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| 01:23.20 | SpinX | hi guys |
| 01:23.23 | thomas_adam | suntech: then sh ./NV* |
| 01:23.25 | Guerin | !hi SpinX |
| 01:23.26 | dpkg | Many greetings, SpinX, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 01:23.28 | Hyp3rion | debian, :-/ |
| 01:23.30 | debian | Hyp3rion: that's exactly the kind of people we urge to help! |
| 01:23.34 | thomas_adam | Guerin: I try. |
| 01:23.36 | sbetore | suntech: I'm sorry, but yes. |
| 01:23.42 | SpinX | i'm on redhat.. and wanna try out debian. but i dont wanna risk the chance of debian not working for me, and having to reinstall RH. |
| 01:23.46 | g4lt | good god, calling Dr. Freud |
| 01:23.49 | suntech | thomas_adam - it's the script that tells me it doesnt wanna run during X being run, its not like its prohibited by modes for it to run in x |
| 01:23.56 | Hyp3rion | g4lt, i just /ignore some lusers. but there may be someone who actually has the patience to help them :-/ |
| 01:24.02 | g4lt | !debtakeover |
| 01:24.02 | sbetore | thomas_adam: what? |
| 01:24.02 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. the biggest farce on the planet. Just install debian using the debian installer (ask me about 'd-i'). |
| 01:24.06 | suntech | i shall be right back then |
| 01:24.08 | rich_ | SpinX so you want to dual boot debian? |
| 01:24.10 | debian | Hyp3rion: /ignore is for lusers :) |
| 01:24.20 | Hyp3rion | g4lt, i know cuz i was a n00b once and there WERE really kind ppl |
| 01:24.35 | SpinX | rich_: not really. I wana remove Rh, it sucks ass. |
| 01:24.36 | LoRez | Hyp3rion: why do you still talk like a newb? |
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| 01:24.39 | Guerin | SpinX: debian does work, and it will work for you if you're prepared to do a bit of thinking |
| 01:24.41 | suntech | gonna just throw on BX real quick so i can come back from the shell |
| 01:24.48 | Hyp3rion | debian, :-( |
| 01:24.48 | SpinX | but i dont wanna risk the chance of it not working..(my pc hardware, X, network..) |
| 01:25.08 | Hyp3rion | L0ReZ do i? |
| 01:25.23 | Guerin | SpinX: got anythign terribly unusual? |
| 01:25.26 | rich_ | SpinX hmmm are you wondering what you need to back up? |
| 01:25.35 | LoRez | Hyp3rion: and you haven't figured out how to work the tab complete |
| 01:25.39 | Hyp3rion | LoRez, i am still a noob in some areas. but not in some others :-/ |
| 01:25.43 | SpinX | rich_: I have my 40gig drive that I can back up everything I want |
| 01:25.50 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: cuz n00b ppl |
| 01:25.56 | tummen | thomas_adam: i found 2 ethernet controllers..which should be my interfaces...how do i go about with that info then? |
| 01:26.02 | SpinX | only thing I'll hate.. is, I'll have to setup my mail again.. lol. |
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| 01:26.14 | g4lt | SpinX presumably, you have some nonpartitioned space available? |
| 01:26.14 | suntech | aighty here i am again |
| 01:26.15 | thomas_adam | tummen: You need to tell me the make of them. |
| 01:26.19 | Hyp3rion | Guerin, cuz? why? continue |
| 01:26.23 | suntech | running shell script, hold up |
| 01:26.24 | SpinX | is debian hard to install? |
| 01:26.36 | thomas_adam | SpinX: Very. |
| 01:26.36 | debian | SpinX: it is |
| 01:26.37 | Eagle3 | when you run dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xfree86 where does it put the new config file? |
| 01:26.39 | thomas_adam | SpinX: It's evil. |
| 01:26.45 | thomas_adam | _Pure_ Evil. |
| 01:26.47 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: where I come from, a cuz is your aunt or uncle's child |
| 01:26.48 | amphi | Spinx: postfix is fairly simple to set up |
| 01:26.49 | g4lt | SpinX not IMO, but I've been doing it a while ;P |
| 01:26.56 | thomas_adam | Eagle3: err, you don't. |
| 01:27.07 | SpinX | I've installed slackware..FreeBSD.. and all .. never debian |
| 01:27.09 | thomas_adam | Eagle3: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, yes. |
| 01:27.10 | tummen | thomas_adam: 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd RTL-8029(AS9 |
| 01:27.12 | stew | SpinX: you should be able to move your mail from RH to debian with minimal changes |
| 01:27.18 | rich_ | Oh its not that hard to install. You just have to know the basic kernel modules that you need |
| 01:27.20 | Eagle3 | thomas_adam: that's what I meant |
| 01:27.21 | thomas_adam | tummen: ok, cool. |
| 01:27.22 | tummen | (AS) |
| 01:27.26 | Guerin | I got debian installed second time, without reading the ig, so it can't be that hard... |
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| 01:27.28 | stew | SpinX: i'd say that if you have installed slack before that you can handle a debian install no problem |
| 01:27.37 | g4lt | once you go Debian, you'll never use RedAgain |
| 01:27.38 | thomas_adam | tummen: as user root, do: "modprobe 8139too" |
| 01:27.40 | SpinX | haha, basic module i only know I needed.. was from slack, was 8139too for my nic. |
| 01:27.50 | cerca | I set my home dir to 4770, now I need to set it back to 775, but it wont take it, any ideas? |
| 01:27.54 | thomas_adam | tummen: That should the 'driver' for your NIC. |
| 01:27.55 | Hyp3rion | Guerin, WHere i come from, cuz is abbrev for because |
| 01:28.00 | tcsetattr | RTL-8029 is actually an ne2k-pci |
| 01:28.06 | Eagle3 | thomas_adam: where does the new config file go? I can't find it |
| 01:28.13 | suntech | alright ... no fun ... it's giving me something about not being able to find the nvidia kernel module or something |
| 01:28.19 | thomas_adam | cerca: your home dir should not be set 755, hahahaha. |
| 01:28.31 | tcsetattr | cerca, use 0755 |
| 01:28.35 | thomas_adam | Eagle3: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 01:28.44 | suntech | "Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename" ... did I forget something ? |
| 01:28.44 | Eagle3 | thomas_adam: it didn't change that file... |
| 01:28.44 | debian | I set it to 0750 |
| 01:28.57 | Eagle3 | thomas_adam: I checked the last edit time and it was before I ran reconfigure |
| 01:29.00 | thomas_adam | Eagle3: Indeed, not. read the comments at the TOP of that file and seewhy. |
| 01:29.07 | sanmarcos | tcsetattr: mmn, 4 is setuid? |
| 01:29.15 | tummen | thomas_adam: .../8139too.o: init_module: No such device, Hint....." |
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| 01:29.19 | tcsetattr | yeah, and setuid on a deirectory is meaningless |
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| 01:29.32 | tcsetattr | tummen, ne2k-pci not 8139too |
| 01:29.34 | SpinX | I dunno :( |
| 01:29.38 | HankH | have any of you had problems updating samba recently?? |
| 01:29.39 | Moose- | debian: nerd. :) |
| 01:29.40 | tummen | oh ok |
| 01:29.46 | Eagle3 | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 01:29.53 | thomas_adam | tcsetattr: Ta. |
| 01:30.01 | Guerin | SpinX: got fast internet and a couple hours of spare time? |
| 01:30.02 | stew | SpinX: got a spare drive / partition you could use to try it on first? |
| 01:30.04 | thomas_adam | Eagle3: np. |
| 01:30.10 | Guerin | !tell SpinX about ig |
| 01:30.10 | suntech | thomas_adam - any ideas ? |
| 01:30.20 | HankH | I did an apt-get upgrade that had a samba upgrade....now it gets stuck loading |
| 01:30.20 | thomas_adam | suntech: What's up/ |
| 01:30.21 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 01:30.21 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack of ground beef, a little thermal paste, and a handful of three-legged hamsters. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 01:30.27 | thomas_adam | !samba fix |
| 01:30.27 | dpkg | from memory, samba fix is First of all see bug number #250515 -- current fix is to: echo "samba hold" | dpkg --set-selections && update-rc.d -f samba remove. |
| 01:30.31 | SpinX | yeah, i got fsat internet. |
| 01:30.34 | tummen | thomas_adam: ok that worked...how do i go from there now? |
| 01:30.34 | SpinX | fast*^%, 5Mbps down |
| 01:30.40 | SpinX | stew: nope |
| 01:30.46 | suntech | thomas_adam - read a couple lines up [or do u want me to re-say ?] |
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| 01:31.01 | thomas_adam | tummen: echo ne2k-pci >> /etc/modules |
| 01:31.13 | Guerin | SpinX: go read the ig, for background - the new sarge installer is supposed to be pretty nice |
| 01:31.27 | thomas_adam | LoRez: can you please link the 'samba fix' factoid to the /topic, please? |
| 01:31.47 | tummen | thomas_adam: okay seemed to work aswell...still not showing up on ifconfig though |
| 01:32.25 | linagee | what is fai for? |
| 01:32.28 | HankH | thanx dpkg |
| 01:32.38 | suntech | argh, stupid nvidia driver |
| 01:32.38 | thomas_adam | tummen: we're getting there, one moment... |
| 01:32.42 | SpinX | http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/debian-cd/woody-i386-1.iso |
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| 01:32.44 | SpinX | im getting that |
| 01:32.46 | gravity | linagee: fully automatic installation |
| 01:32.46 | sanmarcos | mmn, how can un-setuid a file? |
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| 01:32.51 | thomas_adam | tummen: that last command was to make your NIC load on bootup. |
| 01:32.53 | gravity | linagee: If you want custom installs or whatnot |
| 01:32.56 | tummen | thomas_adam: yes no probs...im very thankful for your help |
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| 01:33.02 | thomas_adam | tummen: now... |
| 01:33.15 | linagee | "You can take one or more virgin PCs, turn on the power " |
| 01:33.25 | linagee | wait, how do i know if the PC is a virgin? LOL |
| 01:33.28 | Guerin | SpinX: that's the old installer - you might want to try the new one, /msg dpkg d-i |
| 01:33.39 | tummen | it has windows on it :) |
| 01:33.44 | Guerin | linagee: ask it, virgins never lie |
| 01:33.58 | linagee | tummen: i think it's definitely a dirty dirty machine if it has windows |
| 01:34.04 | thomas_adam | tummen: Do you know much about networking? Only please, just have a quick look at "man 5 interfaces" -- the file(s) in question are: /etc/network/interfaces <-- for NIC stuff and /etc/resolv.conf <-- for DNS stuff (man resolv.conf) |
| 01:34.15 | SpinX | ok |
| 01:34.22 | suntech | Could someone gimme a little help here with this nvidia-glx install ? |
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| 01:34.33 | tummen | thomas_adam: i know it...just not in linux enviroment :/ ...will read it |
| 01:34.38 | thomas_adam | suntech: Yes. Explain what your problem is. |
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| 01:35.17 | suntech | thomas_adam - trying to install nvidia-glx - already got that package, ran it and got the module, now i need to do the kernel part i suppose, right ? |
| 01:35.18 | sussudio | thomas_adam: ever seen "I am not an animal" on BBC2? |
| 01:35.34 | thomas_adam | sussudio: heard of it -- never seen it. What's it about/ |
| 01:35.37 | thomas_adam | s/\/$/\?/ |
| 01:35.41 | sussudio | thomas_adam: talking animals |
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| 01:35.53 | sussudio | it has a bunny that speaks in helpdesk |
| 01:36.14 | thomas_adam | suntech: Gah, umm you have: Load "glx" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 yes? |
| 01:36.27 | suntech | thomas_adam - and im trying to run the nvidia sh script (the .run one) but it locks up on "Unable to determine the NVIDIA kernel module filename" ... |
| 01:36.28 | thomas_adam | sussudio: And a chicken that knits, per chance? |
| 01:36.32 | suntech | thomas_adam - yeah ... |
| 01:36.41 | sussudio | thomas_adam: no, that was chicken run |
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| 01:36.44 | Moose- | hmm, samba segfaults now - after upgrade. |
| 01:36.44 | SpinX | almost done downloading |
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| 01:36.53 | thomas_adam | sussudio: no no, I know what chicken run is. |
| 01:36.59 | tux-debian | heey guys |
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| 01:37.02 | g4lt | sussudio yea, but the badgers in /dev/null is what make it ;P |
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| 01:37.03 | thomas_adam | sussudio: I shall look out for this program. :) |
| 01:37.05 | tux-debian | Knoppix is debian |
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| 01:37.14 | SpinX | heh, whether or not ones newer or not.. which one is easier? :P |
| 01:37.17 | g4lt | !essentially debian |
| 01:37.17 | dpkg | somebody said essentially debian was yeah, xandros, libra, knoppix are all essentially debian, but do you go to a Mistubishi dealership to get help on a Plymouth Champ, or a Volkswagen dealership to get help with a Porsche 914/4? Don't expect help from #debian with your "essentially debian" crap-distribution: either get help from your distributor or switch to full-on Debian. |
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| 01:37.26 | thomas_adam | sussudio: _especially_ so now that you have mentioned it. :) |
| 01:37.41 | sussudio | tux-debian = StrykerUnit = spamtroll |
| 01:37.42 | tux-debian | practially the same tho |
| 01:37.42 | g4lt | tux-debian is that what you wanted, troll? |
| 01:37.48 | holycow | to play dvd's and such with totem one just needs the libs from marillat, correct? |
| 01:37.50 | gravity | tux-debian: Please troll elsewhere |
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| 01:37.59 | tux-debian | troll? |
| 01:38.14 | suntech | thomas_adam - any ideas then ? whats do u think the problem could be ? |
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| 01:38.22 | FieldySnuts | !troll g4lt |
| 01:38.35 | beth | !troll FieldySnuts |
| 01:38.36 | g4lt | FieldySnuts troll this ;P |
| 01:38.39 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 01:38.39 | DogZilla | !essentially crap |
| 01:38.50 | beth | !console FieldySnuts |
| 01:39.07 | beth | ... |
| 01:39.07 | g4lt | ahh, attack of the troll |
| 01:39.14 | beth | !hug FieldySnuts |
| 01:39.16 | linagee | lol. harden - Makes your system hardened. |
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| 01:39.29 | FieldySnuts | beth :) |
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| 01:39.37 | gravity | Awww |
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| 01:39.46 | g4lt | linagee well, it's kind of hard to actually put more in the desc, since it's a metapackage ;P |
| 01:39.47 | thomas_adam | there -- tech support over for the day. |
| 01:39.49 | Guerin | so much love in this channel |
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| 01:40.07 | thomas_adam | !fuck #debian expect for those that know thomas_adam and those he has helped. |
| 01:40.10 | linagee | g4lt: "it makes things hard. it is the maker of hardness." LOL |
| 01:40.19 | suntech | thomas_adam - noooo .. lol :) |
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| 01:40.29 | Guerin | thomas_adam: I didn't know you helped anyone with a dildo |
| 01:40.32 | thomas_adam | suntech: Sorry, matey. I have to sleep. |
| 01:40.42 | thomas_adam | Guerin: You better believe it. |
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| 01:40.55 | thomas_adam | Tue 25 May 2004 02:53:11 BST -0.790994 seconds |
| 01:40.59 | suntech | thomas_adam - fair enough, thx for the try tho ... ttyl i suppose |
| 01:41.03 | thomas_adam | *yawwwwwwn* |
| 01:41.09 | thomas_adam | suntech: Aye, that you will. |
| 01:41.09 | g4lt | linagee I'm sure the maintainer would welcome a better description ;P |
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| 01:41.24 | tummen | thomas_adam: okay read through it...dont know if i became so much wiser..but a lil bit :) im swedish heh i blame it on dat |
| 01:41.27 | suntech | Anyone else familiar with nvidia-glx install ? |
| 01:41.29 | DogZilla | !shoot dpkg |
| 01:41.30 | g4lt | ..preferably one that doesn't make preteens twitter |
| 01:41.32 | linagee | g4lt: how about just "harden - makes sysadmins have hardons" |
| 01:41.33 | thomas_adam | suntech: ask dpkg what FieldySnuts pays him for. |
| 01:41.39 | gravity | heh |
| 01:41.45 | beth | linagee: that's what porn-get is for |
| 01:41.45 | g4lt | linagee grow up |
| 01:41.54 | suntech | thomas_adam - i suppose i could |
| 01:42.06 | linagee | g4lt: that's what beth is for |
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| 01:42.07 | g4lt | task-harden is for SECURING a system |
| 01:42.13 | SpinX | 722 users in here.. hmmm.. that's alot. |
| 01:42.20 | tummen | thomas_adam: got interface lo and eth0 configured now anyways...still missin eth1 |
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| 01:42.28 | Guerin | SpinX: always between about 650 and 800 |
| 01:42.28 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: what does beth pay you for? |
| 01:42.29 | dpkg | normally beth insists on unspeakably disgusting actions, fieldysnuts, but I've really had enough... |
| 01:42.33 | g4lt | okay, that's bullshit. linagee you have an apology to make RIGHT NOW |
| 01:42.33 | SpinX | if we all did a 'ping aol.com' we could just take them down! |
| 01:42.38 | thomas_adam | tummen: same as eth0, but called eth1 with a different IP. |
| 01:42.43 | g4lt | !ops |
| 01:42.43 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: asuffield, bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk |
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| 01:42.47 | gravity | Wow |
| 01:42.57 | linagee | !apologyse |
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| 01:43.07 | tummen | thomas_adam: but it doesnt show on 'ifup -a' ? |
| 01:43.15 | linagee | !apology |
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| 01:43.25 | suntech | dpkg is being wierd |
| 01:43.25 | dpkg | suntech: are you smoking crack? |
| 01:43.26 | suntech | lol |
| 01:43.39 | g4lt | linagee we DON'T tolerate misogyny |
| 01:43.40 | gravity | linagee: You jackass. Just leave. |
| 01:43.44 | gravity | now |
| 01:44.04 | r3pt1le | wow mirc works well in debian |
| 01:44.04 | FieldySnuts | !analintrude g4lt |
| 01:44.23 | g4lt | FieldySnuts promises, promises ;P |
| 01:44.23 | tux-debian | ....ewwwwie |
| 01:44.34 | FieldySnuts | grin |
| 01:45.24 | Moose- | r3pt1le: blasphemer. |
| 01:45.28 | r3pt1le | CVS hacks causing any problems for any of the debian projects? |
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| 01:45.40 | r3pt1le | I have been reading up on sans |
| 01:45.50 | g4lt | r3pt1le AFAICT, they got patched earlier |
| 01:45.51 | Guerin | r3pt1le: nah, all debian's cvs hacks work fine |
| 01:46.00 | cafuego | !what does g4lt pay you for |
| 01:46.00 | dpkg | often g4lt begs for free foot massages, cafuego, but I've really had enough... |
| 01:46.01 | Guerin | r3pt1le: oh, you mean CRACVKS |
| 01:46.09 | r3pt1le | great, would hate to see such good work gone |
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| 01:46.50 | r3pt1le | mirc = /nonfree but, I was just testing it in WINE |
| 01:46.59 | g4lt | cafuego uhm "pay you for free foot massages"?! |
| 01:47.00 | sanmarcos | how can I do a full recursive, not only on the dir I am with chmod/chown? |
| 01:47.02 | r3pt1le | I see it works well, so my intent to make sure WINE is working well is working |
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| 01:47.21 | cafuego | r3pt1le: The cvs versions in debian got patched on may 19. See DSA-505-1 |
| 01:47.22 | Guerin | sanmarcos: -R |
| 01:47.35 | sanmarcos | Guerin: no, that does the only dir im on |
| 01:47.44 | cafuego | g4lt: dpkg said "begs" |
| 01:47.47 | sanmarcos | Guerin: im thinking of chmod XXX */*/*/*/*/*/* -R |
| 01:48.06 | cafuego | sanmarcos: chmod foo . -R |
| 01:48.15 | thomas_adam | sanmarcos: man chmod |
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| 01:48.18 | Guerin | sanmarcos: no, seriously, it works |
| 01:48.22 | g4lt | cafuego it's still wrong, no matter what it is. "what does foo pay you for? foo begs for free foot massages"?! |
| 01:48.27 | sanmarcos | Guerin: mmn, ok |
| 01:48.35 | cafuego | g4lt: Well, FIX IT THEN! |
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| 01:48.46 | g4lt | cafuego if they beg for free stuff, they're not paying for it QED |
| 01:48.49 | thomas_adam | !What does g4lt pay your for? |
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| 01:48.52 | r3pt1le | g4lt, go read fortunes or something |
| 01:48.54 | suntech | this is so frustrating .... if someone who knows their ways around getting the nvidia packages to run would please help me that'd be awesome |
| 01:48.55 | thomas_adam | bah |
| 01:49.02 | suntech | i'm just totally stuck :/ |
| 01:49.03 | g4lt | dpkg factinfo cmd: what does (.*?) pay you for |
| 01:49.03 | dpkg | cmd: what does (.*?) pay you for -- last modified at Mon Apr 19 11:28:52 2004 by cafuego!~cafuego@coffee.creativecontingencies.com. |
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| 01:49.22 | Guerin | mmmm, coffee |
| 01:49.28 | r3pt1le | suntech, have you gotten to building the kernel mod part yet? |
| 01:49.37 | cafuego | my espresso machine is broken |
| 01:49.46 | DanC | I got an nvidia card running a while ago, but I don't remember the details. I remember I pretty much just followed directions. I might have asked a bot here in #debian |
| 01:49.50 | Guerin | for those in america, is Seattle's Best coffee considered decent, or is it just another starbucks clone? |
| 01:49.56 | suntech | r3ptile - you mean the nvidia_drv.o ? |
| 01:50.09 | stew | Guerin: i thought it was a step above |
| 01:50.10 | Guerin | cafuego: I live in a country where NOBODY knows how to make decent espresso |
| 01:50.25 | cafuego | Guerin: those coffee outlets, without fail, serve disgusting crap. *especially* if it's tailored to the US market. |
| 01:50.29 | suntech | r3pt1le, rather. see 4 lines up ... |
| 01:50.35 | g4lt | !jbm cafuego |
| 01:50.39 | sbetore | I wang coffee |
| 01:50.45 | cafuego | Guerin: Melbourne even has a special italian dialect. |
| 01:50.46 | g4lt | !jbm sbetore |
| 01:50.56 | Psyke | how can i see what things start at bootup? and add things? |
| 01:50.58 | g4lt | ask, and ye shall recieve ;P |
| 01:51.00 | sbetore | mmmhmm |
| 01:51.02 | r3pt1le | that is correct Starbucks coffees are terrible |
| 01:51.05 | sbetore | that hit the spot |
| 01:51.13 | gravity | Psyke: Look in /etc/rcS.d and /etc/rc2.d |
| 01:51.19 | Guerin | cafuego: I know - I was a barista for three years and my brother manages one of the oldest an dbest espresso bars in Wellington |
| 01:51.21 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: depends on which part of the us market... |
| 01:51.26 | sbetore | I just got an imaginary caffeine headrush >:\ |
| 01:51.33 | cafuego | starbucks opened a shop here on the main ital;ian restaurant/bistro street |
| 01:51.33 | Psyke | gravity appreciate it dude thanks... how could i add something i dont think cron is starting wheni boot |
| 01:51.39 | gravity | Psyke: You can add things by adding them there, or symlinking them there to whatever script you want, usually in /etc/init.d |
| 01:51.40 | g4lt | r3pt1le I doubt Starbucks would know Jamaican if they sat in it |
| 01:51.44 | Guerin | cafuego: hence why I said "considered decent" not "is decent" |
| 01:51.46 | cafuego | there are invariably 3 asian students in there and noone else |
| 01:51.52 | Psyke | gravity thanks dude |
| 01:51.56 | gravity | Psyke: There should be a README in /etc/init.d, read that for info |
| 01:52.02 | Psyke | cool |
| 01:52.03 | gravity | Psyke: You should definitely read the basics of sysv |
| 01:52.12 | dondelelcaro | r3pt1le: some of them aren't all that bad... however, many starbucks couldn't brew coffee to save their lives. Acidic, bitter shite are de riguer. |
| 01:52.15 | cafuego | Guerin: Well, then, no, I wouldn't consider it decent. |
| 01:52.23 | sanmarcos | is user:user 770 a good setting for user's home dir? |
| 01:52.31 | r3pt1le | the main thing is the person that is making it |
| 01:52.34 | gravity | Psyke: Check /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc for tons of docs on how it works |
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| 01:52.44 | Psyke | gravity thanks |
| 01:52.45 | tcsetattr | Psyke, rcconf is a simple front end to enable/disable stuff. apt-get install rcconf |
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| 01:52.52 | cafuego | sanmarcos: Depends on if you host users's web pages from ~/public_html |
| 01:52.56 | r3pt1le | calling every new person that comes in a "barista" is disgusting |
| 01:52.59 | cafuego | sanmarcos: I tend to use user:user 711 |
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| 01:53.04 | sanmarcos | cafuego: I dont |
| 01:53.06 | dondelelcaro | r3pt1le: that, and the state of the coffee apparatus. |
| 01:53.13 | g4lt | dondelelcaro hell, I doubt Starbucks in general would know good coffeee if they sat in it.... |
| 01:53.22 | Guerin | so anyway, was in seoul for the weekend, and having not tasted drinkable espresso for a year, we sat down in Seattle's Best and ordered coffees. And before the headrush kicked in, I remember thinking ... this is almost drinkable, unlike starbucks |
| 01:53.39 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: dunno, one of the ones near campus here is really good. [but the one in the same complex sucks ass.] |
| 01:53.53 | cafuego | at |
| 01:53.56 | g4lt | Guerin are you sure? last time I head, Seoul was offlimits.... |
| 01:54.01 | sbetore | I sometimes just chew coffee |
| 01:54.05 | Guerin | any cafe which needs thermometers on the milk and has automated espresso extraction is just wrong and bad |
| 01:54.06 | sbetore | it's tasty |
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| 01:54.14 | Guerin | g4lt: to whom? |
| 01:54.22 | g4lt | Guerin .us people |
| 01:54.28 | tummen | thomas_adam: yay got both interfaces in ifconfig :) |
| 01:54.28 | cafuego | sbetore: You can also smoke ground coffee. |
| 01:54.29 | sbetore | and a lot less hassle than filtering it trough water |
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| 01:54.41 | Guerin | g4lt: hell no... and in any case, I ain't a USian :) |
| 01:54.47 | sbetore | cafuego: SERIOUSLY? |
| 01:54.55 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: hell, do an ethanol extraction, and you can IV the stuff. |
| 01:54.56 | cafuego | sbetore: Yes, of course. |
| 01:54.57 | sbetore | cafuego: I NEED to try that. |
| 01:55.07 | cafuego | sbetore: it's disgusting, but it works ok. |
| 01:55.11 | sbetore | cafuego: Is it good? |
| 01:55.19 | cafuego | 9the things you do when you run out of tobacco...) |
| 01:55.20 | sbetore | dondelelcaro: I tried, they won't let me |
| 01:55.24 | Guerin | cafuego: some friends of mine used to put a bit of ground into their ganja pipes |
| 01:55.35 | g4lt | cafuego do you get a caffeine buzz doin htat? |
| 01:55.40 | LoRez | bah, how does one get the amavisd-new package to check rbls with SA? |
| 01:55.42 | Guerin | g4lt: HELL yeah |
| 01:55.42 | cafuego | Guerin: I mean rolled up in a cigarette paper. |
| 01:55.43 | dondelelcaro | sbetore: who won't let you? you just need some anhydrous caffeine, a 35 gauge needle, and a syringe. |
| 01:55.59 | Guerin | that's just a bit too hardcore for me |
| 01:55.59 | cafuego | g4lt: No, you just cough a lot and stare at the nasty blue smoke. |
| 01:55.59 | g4lt | cool. I'll have to introduce it to my doper friends ;P |
| 01:56.01 | anothernick | nice shit chat |
| 01:56.05 | sbetore | dondelelcaro: Do NOT test me ;) |
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| 01:56.17 | dondelelcaro | sbetore: but you better understand the doseage curve... mainlining caffeine can bring you close to the LD50 very quickly. |
| 01:56.19 | beth | I have a book from the 1800's on traveling on the prairie, one of the things it tells you is what weeds you can smoke when you run out of tobacco |
| 01:56.28 | Guerin | sbetore: just make sure you call 911 before spiking up.... |
| 01:56.32 | g4lt | LoRez amavis doesn't check RBLs, it checks clamav.... |
| 01:56.50 | LoRez | g4lt: amavisd-new also uses SA. |
| 01:56.54 | r3pt1le | don't smoke the deadly mushrooms |
| 01:56.54 | sbetore | dondelelcaro: I seriously won't. I like to joke about it, but no. |
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| 01:57.08 | tummen | now that i have both my interfaces working..how do i set my local network one to share its internet? |
| 01:57.16 | gravity | beth: Rock on! |
| 01:57.16 | sbetore | r3pt1le: Don't worry. I smoke the badger. |
| 01:57.19 | beth | I have a friend! *sniff* |
| 01:57.24 | gravity | hehe |
| 01:57.32 | gravity | I'm actually searching pubmed right now |
| 01:57.54 | g4lt | dondelelcaro you really want heart failure, don't you ;P |
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| 01:58.07 | tuxillo | Hello |
| 01:58.15 | sbetore | beth: good for you! |
| 01:58.17 | gravity | beth: Very cool. I need to pick up more bioinformatics skills in general |
| 01:58.22 | myren | isnt anonymous the default password for anonymous cvs |
| 01:58.25 | dondelelcaro | "Reverse Engineering of Biological Complexity" |
| 01:58.32 | sbetore | cafuego: Are you joking about the smoking? |
| 01:58.35 | LoRez | g4lt: thanks for trying though |
| 01:58.43 | gravity | beth: I'm better than most molecular biologists, but I don't have any formal training to call myself an Analyst |
| 01:58.55 | g4lt | myren no, the default password for anonymous FTP is fraud@irs.gov |
| 01:59.03 | sbetore | beth: there's a big bioinformatics lab next to where I roek |
| 01:59.05 | beth | heh, you need formal training to be an Analyst? :) |
| 01:59.11 | Guerin | sbetore: you can smoke anything which will burn |
| 01:59.11 | g4lt | bah, s/FTP/CVS/ |
| 01:59.12 | gravity | beth: I assumed so :-) |
| 01:59.13 | dondelelcaro | beth, gravity: heh. In the other window I'm deconvoluting affymetrix V4 files right now... ;-) |
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| 01:59.25 | beth | neat |
| 01:59.38 | sbetore | Guerin: I know, but do you get a caffeine rush? |
| 01:59.39 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Nice. I'm looking to do a basic microarray analysis if possible, but there's a lot of issues ($$$ among them) to do it |
| 01:59.40 | tuxillo | I have installed mysql-server and client wit apt-get. And when I try to /etc/init.d/mysql start it creates a connection socket but no there's no open port over TCP, any ideas? thanks :D :D |
| 01:59.46 | Guerin | sbetore: yes, you DO |
| 01:59.51 | gravity | dondelelcaro: That and getting enough RNA |
| 01:59.56 | holycow | what is this /initrd dir? i've never seen that before... ? i can delete it right? |
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| 02:00.04 | dondelelcaro | gravity: yeah, it's definetly not cheap... luckily, I've had people do all the wet stuff for me, and I get to play with the data... |
| 02:00.11 | Guerin | sbetore: I only ever had it in a pipe with ganja as well, and only a coouple times - but it did the business |
| 02:00.13 | sbetore | wow - i will try it in the morning |
| 02:00.14 | holycow | looks like something createdby discover1 |
| 02:00.19 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Very nice. That's what I'm trying to do, with the datasets that are publicly available |
| 02:00.20 | dondelelcaro | gravity: since it's not my main project, I get to play with it when I get bored... |
| 02:00.23 | Guerin | ./topic Wecome to #debian-drugs |
| 02:00.25 | SpinX | `now to burn this CD.. *tries to remember how to burn it via cdrecord* |
| 02:00.28 | beth | gravity: well, I have a bachelor's in bio, did a year of grad school (no degree), and have learned a lot of computer stuff on my own, currently working as a sysadmin. I seem to be pretty well qualified for this job, or so I hear |
| 02:00.31 | g4lt | LoRez you see, some of us use amavis-postfix and amavis-ng ;P |
| 02:00.38 | beth | gravity: ymmv. |
| 02:00.39 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Is your main project wet lab or in silco? |
| 02:00.46 | dondelelcaro | gravity: semi-wet. |
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| 02:00.52 | afaik | hello... |
| 02:00.54 | beth | dondelelcaro: moist? |
| 02:00.55 | beth | ew. |
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| 02:00.59 | gravity | beth: I'm pretty close there. Got my bachelor's, and now one year of grad school |
| 02:01.00 | SpinX | what's semi-wet? O.o |
| 02:01.02 | dondelelcaro | gravity: I'm doing PKC Assays and ^2H NMR... |
| 02:01.06 | LoRez | g4lt: I upgraded from -postfix |
| 02:01.09 | tuxillo | I have installed mysql-server and client wit apt-get. And when I try to /etc/init.d/mysql start it creates a connection socket but no there's no open port over TCP. When I try to telnet port 3306 it refuses the conection, and it doesn't appear in a netstat -puta :(( |
| 02:01.11 | beth | PKC? |
| 02:01.15 | dondelelcaro | gravity: so I make samples, then I analize data... |
| 02:01.19 | dondelelcaro | beth: protein kinase c... |
| 02:01.22 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Cool. I may wind up doing kinase assays at the rate I'm going |
| 02:01.22 | beth | ah |
| 02:01.28 | gravity | CamKII |
| 02:01.31 | afaik | trying to remove apache ( i messed up during installation, and it installed a bunch of cruft I dont need) however, when i try to apt-get remove apache2-common, it fetches and installs apache-common!!! |
| 02:01.33 | afaik | wtf!? |
| 02:01.40 | afaik | I dont want apache on my system at all! |
| 02:01.48 | Guerin | tuxillo: comment the skip-networking directive in my.cnf |
| 02:01.57 | tuxillo | Guerin: :O |
| 02:02.00 | dondelelcaro | afaik: then figure out what requires apache-common|apache2-common, and remove it. |
| 02:02.07 | mdh | afaik: something else you have installed obviously depends on apache |
| 02:02.09 | Guerin | tuxillo: when you installed mysql, it would have advised you about that |
| 02:02.12 | axology | how about apt-get purge apache2 |
| 02:02.15 | liu7 | I was wondering why if im running testing and have done an apt-get upgrade, gnome is still 1.4 ? |
| 02:02.19 | dondelelcaro | afaik: you can do that rather trivially using apt-cache showpkg apache-common |
| 02:02.25 | thomas_adam | afaik: apt-get apt-rdepends might help. |
| 02:02.32 | afaik | thanks |
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| 02:02.42 | dondelelcaro | afaik: aptitude will also help you figure it out. |
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| 02:02.55 | afaik | because I just tried removing apache-common that it installed, and then it installed apache2-common again! |
| 02:03.01 | g4lt | LoRez well, that sucks. I've been without an antivirus for 2 years apparently ;P |
| 02:03.10 | gravity | liu7: Either dependencies are missing for 2.4, or there's something wrong with your database not being up to date |
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| 02:03.25 | liu7 | it wont upgrade for some reason |
| 02:03.26 | tuxillo | Guerin: Nope. There's some comments above that option and says that it is an option that will not be available anymore from debconf :P |
| 02:03.27 | dondelelcaro | afaik: that's because it's attempting to solve the problem that you've generated by removing one or the other, and the trivial solution is to install apache2-common (or apache-common) |
| 02:03.39 | afaik | I see |
| 02:03.46 | afaik | ah, there we go |
| 02:03.48 | mdh | liu7: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:03.51 | dondelelcaro | afaik: you have to remove apache-common and whatever *DEPENDS* on apache-common at the same time. |
| 02:03.58 | afaik | phpgroupware was installed |
| 02:04.01 | tummen | how do i set my second interface to let my home network share its internet connection? |
| 02:04.04 | dondelelcaro | afaik: there you go. |
| 02:04.16 | Guerin | tuxillo: hrm, worked for me when I installed mysql a coupole months ago. In any case, you can be sure that the option you want is in my.cnf - go forth and change it |
| 02:04.19 | tuxillo | Guerin: Thanks a lot for your help :) |
| 02:05.20 | axology | tummon ifconfig eth1 ? |
| 02:05.20 | afaik | also, I have a different question with apache on Debian... if i apt-get a module, will it add itself to httpd.conf, or will I need to manually edit it? |
| 02:05.21 | afaik | and if it does automatically add it, is there a way to toggle that off? |
| 02:05.21 | tummen | axology looks okay to me |
| 02:05.21 | Guerin | tuxillo: right, debconf won't allow you to enable networking by default - but it does tell you to go edit my.cnf. |
| 02:05.21 | LoRez | g4lt: why's that? |
| 02:05.24 | axology | tumman the set up your routes |
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| 02:05.47 | tummen | axology was tryin..didnt really know how to do it |
| 02:05.49 | myren | how do you see what cvs "packages" are available for checkout? |
| 02:05.58 | g4lt | LoRez because apparently, it deinstalled amavis and kept amavis-postfix |
| 02:05.59 | dondelelcaro | afaik: in testing and unstable, yes. |
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| 02:06.07 | SpinX | http://bash.org/?212775 << hha! |
| 02:06.16 | dondelelcaro | afaik: in stable, it should, but that functionality was a bit suboptimal. |
| 02:06.16 | LoRez | g4lt: lol, oops |
| 02:06.18 | axology | tumman I use virtual ethx devices all on one interface |
| 02:06.21 | afaik | yeah, I'm in unstable (sid) |
| 02:06.27 | tuxillo | Guerin: No, it doesn't and I don't know why :/ |
| 02:06.35 | bitblt | If I want to do "word processing" from the console only what's my best bet? |
| 02:06.37 | g4lt | LoRez and of course, I find out when amavis pukes on postfix. quelle apropos |
| 02:06.40 | bitblt | lyx or tex or something? |
| 02:06.50 | bitblt | or is there something more "word processory" |
| 02:06.52 | sanmarcos | how can I do just plain accept things coming to a port? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport PORT -j ACCEPT ? |
| 02:06.52 | gravity | bitblt: lyx isn't console. LaTeX is great for it |
| 02:06.57 | Guerin | tuxillo: security |
| 02:07.04 | tummen | axology okay...but how do i route so the home lan gets on the net from eth0? |
| 02:07.12 | bitblt | gravity: I wondered |
| 02:07.29 | bitblt | so tex is pretty much the only thing you can format easily from the cmd line then |
| 02:07.31 | dondelelcaro | bitblt: emacs+auctex+LaTeX is the way to enlightenment |
| 02:07.31 | Guerin | tuxillo: if you want to run a mysql server which accepts connections from the internet, you're gonna have to actually enable that functionality yourself |
| 02:07.41 | tcsetattr | use vi, but don't touch the keyboard yourself - use a 5-year-old child as an intermediary, and try to tell them to press the right keys. That's "word-processory" |
| 02:07.41 | gravity | bitblt: As far as I know |
| 02:07.53 | tcsetattr | bitblt, what about roff? |
| 02:08.06 | bitblt | tcsetattr: what is it? |
| 02:08.09 | gravity | If you're going to use a markup language, you may as well use the right one :-P |
| 02:08.10 | sbetore | troff! |
| 02:08.12 | tuxillo | Guerin: Don't mind, I've closed incoming connections with iptables :) |
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| 02:08.26 | tcsetattr | roff is the unix document formatting system |
| 02:08.28 | sbetore | ed and troff 4 eva!!!!1 |
| 02:08.43 | bitblt | I see |
| 02:08.49 | holycow | why is /dev/initrd now /initrd? |
| 02:08.49 | tcsetattr | "groff" is the GNU implementation |
| 02:08.51 | g4lt | sbetore BTW, troff is actually a symlink to groff in Debian |
| 02:08.52 | holycow | fukin weird |
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| 02:08.57 | gravity | Guerin: Me too |
| 02:09.08 | dondelelcaro | I'll call your unix, and I'll raise you a knuth. |
| 02:09.15 | sbetore | g4lt: as is /bin/sh to /bin/bash |
| 02:09.16 | gravity | hehehe |
| 02:09.39 | g4lt | sbetore no shit? |
| 02:09.44 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I've recently become pretty enamored with pybibliographer. |
| 02:09.55 | gravity | dondelelcaro: It saved my ass when I had to write a fake mini-grant |
| 02:09.56 | sbetore | g4lt: I was making a point |
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| 02:10.03 | dondelelcaro | gravity: heh. Yeah, I have my own setup for ripping from pubmed to bibtex. |
| 02:10.06 | Guerin | I'm still a rank amateur at both TeX and docbook though - it's a gradual learning process |
| 02:10.07 | sbetore | g4lt: but my brain just died |
| 02:10.09 | g4lt | sbetore other than the one between your shoulders? |
| 02:10.27 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I remember you mentioning it. I just didn't want to set up custom hackery when something like that was already around |
| 02:10.39 | dondelelcaro | gravity: you just ./ref_from_pubmed 10239344 >> ~/mybibtexfile.bib |
| 02:11.01 | gravity | cool |
| 02:11.01 | drega | scr-bx |
| 02:11.10 | dondelelcaro | gravity: yeah... eventually I'll get my act together and figure out what other people have got... it's just the first step on a slightly more complex system... |
| 02:11.39 | gravity | dondelelcaro: pybibliographer is pretty nice. It's endnote-like, but not shitty |
| 02:11.46 | tcsetattr | actualy the "troff" program as found in the groff package generates intermediate output and should probably not be used directory. (unlike the unix "troff" which is intended to be used directly) |
| 02:11.55 | gravity | dondelelcaro: It's also a bit bare-bones, but searches pubmed just fine, which is perfect for me |
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| 02:12.06 | dondelelcaro | gravity: nice. |
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| 02:13.44 | SpinX | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.51 | SpinX | so i can boot from the netinstall cd |
| 02:14.50 | mboso | can anyone recommend a really small fast image viewer |
| 02:14.56 | mboso | i use gimp and xv |
| 02:14.58 | gravity | SpinX: looks ok to me |
| 02:14.59 | mboso | gimp is too big |
| 02:15.03 | tcsetattr | mboso, xli for X, zgv for console |
| 02:15.03 | LoRez | SpinX: I use the -isosize switch too, but that should work |
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| 02:15.07 | mboso | xv doesn't open multiple files from the command line |
| 02:15.18 | SpinX | LoRez: ok |
| 02:15.20 | gravity | mboso: xview from imagemagic |
| 02:15.25 | gravity | er... display that is |
| 02:15.27 | rich_ | mboso xloadimage |
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| 02:15.48 | gravity | xview also works though |
| 02:16.03 | mboso | i think i use to use xview a while ago. forgot all about it. |
| 02:16.12 | mboso | i think i switched to xv cuzi liked it better |
| 02:16.14 | Miles800 | How do I get linux to scan for usb devices? |
| 02:16.21 | mdh | mboso: eog, gqview, ... |
| 02:16.22 | mboso | tcsetattr : how do you view images in a console? |
| 02:16.27 | Justin | Miles800: install hotplug |
| 02:16.31 | tcsetattr | mboso, with zgv |
| 02:16.42 | tcsetattr | mboso, or fbi if you use fbcon |
| 02:16.45 | Miles800 | Justin: Is that package or a driver |
| 02:16.52 | mboso | tcsetattr : what i meant was, does it open an X window? |
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| 02:17.13 | tcsetattr | mboso, there is such a thing as graphics without X. |
| 02:17.13 | mboso | it sounded like it did. seemed weird |
| 02:17.30 | denix | "ACPI: Fan [FAN] (off)" does this mean there is no fan for acpi to monitor? |
| 02:17.33 | mboso | tcstattr: yeah, that's why it sounded weird |
| 02:17.40 | Guerin | mboso: my console is an 800x600x24 frambuffer - good enough for images, you think? |
| 02:17.53 | tummen | axology auto-flood thing popped on...sorry mate |
| 02:18.39 | sbetore | denix: No, it means, there's a fan in the machine, and it's shut off |
| 02:18.39 | Guerin | ooh, lucky me, I got a picture on the debstats |
| 02:19.00 | gravity | Wow, I wonder if I'm back on debstats. I must have long fallen off. |
| 02:19.03 | Guerin | and what a picture it is |
| 02:19.10 | g4lt | Guerin badgers? |
| 02:19.11 | tcsetattr | and if you want a graphics _editor_ that's not gimp, xpaint is the classic |
| 02:19.22 | axology | tummen this is what I do for mine http://axology.com/tummen.txt |
| 02:19.29 | Guerin | g4lt: you're on the right track, but think a bit harder |
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| 02:20.07 | g4lt | gravity nope, you're on there... |
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| 02:20.12 | gravity | Sweet |
| 02:20.13 | mboso | now i remember why i didn't like xview. doesn't load multiple images at once |
| 02:20.14 | gravity | I live again |
| 02:20.42 | anothernick | nice shit chat |
| 02:20.51 | tummen | axology got some errors on that second line...something about there is no table NAT... |
| 02:20.54 | Grant_ | haha hey people, dumb question, but how do i make a call to US from Australia 0011 and then something else |
| 02:21.00 | tcsetattr | multiple images at once? now you're being picky. xli image1.jpg & xli image2.jpg & xli image3.jpg |
| 02:21.11 | axology | tummen maybe your using ipchains |
| 02:21.26 | mboso | tcsetattr : i'm a lazy bastard |
| 02:21.29 | mboso | :-) |
| 02:21.47 | tummen | axology i dont know...aint that much off a linux guru :/ |
| 02:21.48 | tcsetattr | mboso, xli can also take multiple files on the command line and you go through then with 'n' (next) and 'p' (prev) |
| 02:22.06 | Guerin | Grant_: 0011 is the AU dial-out code, right? I think the US country code is 1, then area, then number |
| 02:22.16 | Grant_ | ok |
| 02:22.19 | Grant_ | Ill try that |
| 02:22.19 | Grant_ | :S |
| 02:22.24 | tcsetattr | if you really want to create multiple windows simultaneously without starting multiple processes, then I guess you better learn to live with gimp |
| 02:22.25 | Grant_ | Trying to send a fax to U.S |
| 02:22.34 | axology | tummen try ipchains -A forward -j MASQ -s 192.168.0.0/24 -d 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 02:22.34 | axology | ipchains -P forward DENY |
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| 02:22.52 | g4lt | Grant_ I'm sure your operator will know ;P |
| 02:22.58 | gravity | Oh no! More processes! Shock and horror! |
| 02:23.00 | axology | tummen insted of the iptables line |
| 02:23.31 | anothernick | lol gravy |
| 02:23.32 | mboso | is xli short for xloadimage? |
| 02:23.44 | sussudio | gravy? |
| 02:23.50 | tcsetattr | xli is a slightly enhanced variant of xloadimage |
| 02:24.00 | tcsetattr | I don't remember the difference. |
| 02:24.12 | mboso | i'll check it out |
| 02:24.16 | anothernick | sussudio how the hell are yah ? |
| 02:24.22 | gravity | sussudio: gravy translates to "I don't know how to use my irc client at all" |
| 02:24.23 | Justin | tcsetattr: I think you mean xli image*.jpg |
| 02:24.32 | liu7 | what's the best way to configure my monitor for xwindows, because I dont know the vertical/horizontal sync off hand, I have xwindows setup but it's running at a lower refresh than it can do |
| 02:24.52 | Miles800 | I am not sure how to get the system to recognize my usb soundcard. I am not really sure how usb works in linux either. I am running the apt package kernel 2.6.5-1-686...? |
| 02:26.01 | Guerin | liu7: back up your XF86Config-4 and run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, choosing different refresh rates. If it brreaks, go back to known-good |
| 02:26.06 | mboso | tcsetattr : xli works beautifully. its what i was looking for for the most part |
| 02:26.09 | mboso | thanks for the tip |
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| 02:26.15 | liu7 | I know my monitor model number |
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| 02:26.34 | anothernick | tcsetattr you v just helped a gangster |
| 02:26.35 | liu7 | but I just wish there was a good database I could search or somthing since google came up with nothin |
| 02:26.43 | anothernick | lol |
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| 02:27.05 | sussudio | liu7: your google-foo is weak. |
| 02:27.12 | neiljp | I've just got a non-fatal 'Machine Check Exception'; any general advice? |
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| 02:27.14 | r3pt1le | ok, dumb question here |
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| 02:27.17 | Guerin | liu7: could try discover, that might know something specific |
| 02:27.32 | Guerin | neiljp: yeah, here's some advice: |
| 02:27.35 | Guerin | !vagueness |
| 02:27.35 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 02:27.36 | r3pt1le | can one do a fdisk /mbr in debian to format the MBR on a drive? |
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| 02:27.58 | r3pt1le | and yes, I looked through man pages |
| 02:27.59 | neiljp | Guerin: wow, cheers :) |
| 02:27.59 | Guerin | neiljp: we need to know what specific error, when and why you suspect it happened... |
| 02:28.05 | anothernick | how can vagueness kill ? |
| 02:28.18 | neiljp | Guerin: no idea, just came home and found it on my consoles and in syslog/kern.log |
| 02:28.25 | anothernick | is vagueness some disiese ? |
| 02:28.29 | neiljp | Guerin: CPU 0: Machine Check Exception: 0000000000000004 |
| 02:28.36 | SpinX | www.modulefarm.com/debian.txt -- dont htink that CD is bootable ? |
| 02:28.47 | neiljp | Guerin: Kernel panic: CPU context corrupt |
| 02:28.50 | axology | tummen how you doing? |
| 02:28.53 | neiljp | niiiiice |
| 02:29.03 | anothernick | neiljp can you get a screen shot of that error ? |
| 02:29.04 | g4lt | anothernick yes, it is |
| 02:29.23 | neiljp | anothernick: from /var/log? |
| 02:29.26 | threefold | Hello. I have a 'netgear fa-310 tx' network card installed in my debain 3.0rc2 system. LSPCI calls it a 'ethernet: Liteon LTNxxx' Can someone suggest the kernel module I need to load to get the card working ? |
| 02:29.28 | Guerin | neiljp: yeah, sounds like fun. Only with a specific kernel? Try it with a different one, that might work. |
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| 02:29.37 | anothernick | g4lt your ill |
| 02:29.38 | neiljp | Guerin: well, its not happened before |
| 02:29.39 | g4lt | threefold tulip |
| 02:29.53 | g4lt | anothernick you are illiterate. glad to meet you |
| 02:29.56 | Guerin | neiljp: you're not trying to use a k7 kernel with a 686 cpu, for example, are you? |
| 02:30.00 | neiljp | Guerin: intending to upgrade to 2.6.6 pkgs eventually, but don't have space |
| 02:30.01 | threefold | g4lt, will try that, thanx.. Bit odd naming tho |
| 02:30.08 | anothernick | im all that an much more |
| 02:30.12 | neiljp | Guein: its been running fine for a while; I mean, it boots fine |
| 02:30.24 | g4lt | threefold you gets what you pays for ;P |
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| 02:30.43 | neiljp | Guerin: eg. its currently been up for 3 days, and that was only to install a cd-writer |
| 02:31.03 | Guerin | neiljp: try another kernel if you can - at least we have another data point if it fails |
| 02:31.22 | neiljp | Guerin: well, its not happened with my old 2.4.[18,25] |
| 02:31.27 | neiljp | and probably other 2.4 |
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| 02:31.53 | anothernick | are the ips begining with 69 blong to the fbi ? |
| 02:31.53 | Xenguy | !news |
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| 02:32.10 | threefold | g4lt: didn't think netgear were that esoteric... just out of interest, I can 'insmod tulip' no problems. But i couldn't find tulip listed under 'modconf' |
| 02:32.15 | r3pt1le | the FBI doesnt have a class A, so i doubt it |
| 02:32.15 | threefold | where is it located ? |
| 02:32.20 | mdh | anothernick: no, the NSA. The FBI own 42 |
| 02:32.33 | Xenguy | anyone know how to get 'news' from this channel these days? |
| 02:32.40 | g4lt | threefold yeah, it's a big mess |
| 02:32.47 | anothernick | yes the NSA guys are perverts |
| 02:32.57 | Guerin | Xenguy: is this a news channel? |
| 02:32.59 | SpinX | hmm.. |
| 02:33.01 | dondelelcaro | Xenguy: important events are typically in /topic |
| 02:33.13 | SpinX | im backing up everything via tar.(22gigs) on a 1.2Ghz system, any idea how long this will take Me? |
| 02:33.24 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro: there used to be a '/msg dpkg/apt news' type command |
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| 02:33.30 | threefold | g4lt, you not sure where it is ? how do i make sure that my kernel will load the tulip driver each boot. |
| 02:33.31 | g4lt | threefold actually it IS in modconf, it's just not in the normal net, but net/tulip :S |
| 02:33.34 | dondelelcaro | Xenguy: it's still there, but its out of date. |
| 02:33.37 | sussudio | anothernick: if you have a question about debian, ask it, if you've come here to troll again, fuck off. ktnx. |
| 02:33.38 | Guerin | SpinX: ages - if you bzip2 it, FUCKING ages |
| 02:33.39 | threefold | or has 'insmod' already taken care of that |
| 02:33.45 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro: nod |
| 02:33.48 | tcsetattr | SpinX, my rough guess would be 5 hours |
| 02:33.48 | g4lt | threefold echo tulip >> /etc/modules |
| 02:33.49 | SpinX | backup.tar is it |
| 02:33.51 | sparq_ | anothernick: my friend Pete (who works for the NSA) agrees ^_^ |
| 02:33.59 | Justin | and if you tar+gpg it, even longer :-) |
| 02:34.06 | anothernick | sussudio i might steel some one else question |
| 02:34.13 | anothernick | lets see |
| 02:34.16 | threefold | g4lt, so doing that makes it load it each time ? |
| 02:34.21 | neiljp | hmm, lets reboot... |
| 02:34.23 | gravity | anothernick: Go away |
| 02:34.24 | g4lt | threefold yes |
| 02:34.32 | Miles800 | Justin: I installed the hotplug package and started the deamon, but noting is listed under /proc/bus/usb |
| 02:34.32 | tcsetattr | oh yeah with compresion or encryption it'll be slower. And if you're going to tape you're probably limited by tape speed anyway |
| 02:34.43 | threefold | g4lt, ta, cant wait till i actually know some of this |
| 02:34.56 | Justin | Miles800: are you using a debian kernel or one that you made? |
| 02:34.59 | SpinX | 1.2g done, so i doubt 5 hours |
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| 02:35.13 | anothernick | how do i use virtual ethx devices ? |
| 02:35.21 | anothernick | thast a good one ;) |
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| 02:35.25 | tcsetattr | I said it was a guess :) |
| 02:35.40 | peterS | anothernick: what do you want to do? |
| 02:35.47 | gravity | peterS: He wants to troll |
| 02:35.50 | gravity | Ignore him |
| 02:35.54 | peterS | gravity: ah, ok |
| 02:35.54 | Guerin | peterS: he wants to be a prick |
| 02:35.56 | anothernick | can some one help me set a virtual ethx device ? |
| 02:35.57 | r3pt1le | anothernick, I will give you an abominable way to manage your NIC, use webmin |
| 02:36.02 | medgno | is anyone having problems with thumbnails in the newest upgrade to nautilus in experimental? |
| 02:36.08 | Miles800 | Justin: A debian Kernel |
| 02:36.15 | Miles800 | 2.6.5 |
| 02:36.18 | r3pt1le | anothernick, you can set virtual eth in webmin with ease |
| 02:36.18 | SpinX | anothernick: ifconfig eth0:1 ..... ? |
| 02:36.42 | peterS | anothernick: you seem to have picked up a reputation as a troll. as such, I don't think I do feel like helping you set up a virtual ethx device. too bad your actions come back to haunt you like that |
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| 02:37.29 | anothernick | peterS olding a grunge helps you develop cacer |
| 02:37.34 | anothernick | cancer |
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| 02:37.38 | g4lt | r3pt1le s/manage/mangle/ |
| 02:37.50 | peterS | anothernick: yeah, move the 'n' from 'grudge' to 'cancer' and you'll be easier to understand |
| 02:37.56 | g4lt | how the HELL do you "hold a grunge"? |
| 02:38.08 | suntech | Could anyone hook me up with some info or help on how I would make a ramdisk from my kernel? |
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| 02:38.19 | sbetore | peterS: Hold a gruge? |
| 02:38.21 | g4lt | isn't grunge greasy? |
| 02:38.32 | gravity | learn to spell, kthxby |
| 02:38.42 | anothernick | kthxby |
| 02:38.45 | r3pt1le | g4lt, anyone can mangle anything with anything |
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| 02:38.49 | anothernick | ive spled it |
| 02:38.49 | sbetore | I think I've developed the perfect backup solution |
| 02:38.58 | SpinX | anothernick: shut up |
| 02:39.02 | amsn | hello does anyone use amsn |
| 02:39.07 | sbetore | you didn't spell "spelled" |
| 02:39.12 | g4lt | r3pt1le webmin is particulary suited to mangle practically anything |
| 02:39.13 | sbetore | not "I've" |
| 02:39.16 | sbetore | amsn: I use gaim, is |
| 02:39.17 | peterS | spled it? is that like gpling something? |
| 02:39.27 | dan2 | g4lt: webmin sucks |
| 02:39.27 | sbetore | amsn: It seems to be working better |
| 02:39.36 | anothernick | peterS your trolling |
| 02:39.37 | g4lt | dan2 I stand by what I said |
| 02:39.45 | r3pt1le | I use amsn, i lik eit much better than GAIM for MSN |
| 02:39.47 | peterS | anothernick: that's rich |
| 02:39.55 | amsn | sbetore: gaim it's ok but it forces me to install to many libraries |
| 02:39.57 | anothernick | rich ? |
| 02:39.59 | suntech | anyone ? how would i go by making a boot disk for my linux seeing as my mbr is fuxed and hence lilo wont let me load up into linux |
| 02:40.01 | anothernick | i wich |
| 02:40.05 | sbetore | peterS: stop trolling. kthxbye : |
| 02:40.24 | amsn | r3ptile: i have problems wih it, it just freezes |
| 02:40.35 | r3pt1le | that is WISH for you |
| 02:40.38 | r3pt1le | it happens sometimes |
| 02:40.38 | g4lt | sbetore uhm, I'd suggest you look at what you're typing. It generally helps... |
| 02:40.41 | anothernick | weres the trolling channel ? |
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| 02:41.10 | anothernick | can i use my remot control to swich channels in irc ? |
| 02:41.14 | sbetore | I think I've developed the perfect backup solution - I tar it, bzip it, encrypt it, cat a gif at the end, and then put it in my shared folder as "LESBIAN PORN (...).gif" |
| 02:41.18 | g4lt | must. not. answer. |
| 02:41.33 | rich_ | suntech shm filesystem its now called tmpfs |
| 02:41.36 | r3pt1le | amsn -> is it freezing a lot, or just every few days? |
| 02:41.49 | suntech | rish_ - meaning ? |
| 02:41.50 | sbetore | anothernick: Yes. |
| 02:42.00 | peterS | anothernick: yes. if you buy a universal remote, it will control IRC as well as your TV |
| 02:42.01 | Xenguy | I just had the weirdest shit happen... I've been playing with firefox and I tried to install a plug-in, and firefox started to crash... I fell back to mozilla and it won't start, and then same thing with konqueror -- so I have no working browser all of a sudden |
| 02:42.03 | amsn | r3pt1le : i just downloaded it today |
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| 02:42.19 | sussudio | peterS: home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/fucktard-pt.txt |
| 02:42.21 | sbetore | anothernick: You need an IRman or equivalent, connect it to the serial port. Then do a keybinding to irssi. |
| 02:42.30 | g4lt | Xenguy damn. that really sux |
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| 02:42.41 | Xenguy | g4lt: it's quite bizarre |
| 02:42.42 | anothernick | sbetore in biturrent ? |
| 02:42.43 | sbetore | peterS: (I've actually done it) |
| 02:42.50 | beth | sbetore: because real men don't do backups, right :) |
| 02:42.58 | Justin | Xenguy: it's not bizarre at all. delete the broken plugin |
| 02:43.03 | rich_ | suntech It Lets you store things in memory and swap rather than on your disk. Isnt that what a ram disk is? |
| 02:43.07 | peterS | beth: neither do most fake ones |
| 02:43.07 | r3pt1le | amsn -> so is it feezing a lot? |
| 02:43.09 | sbetore | beth: Real men print it all out, even the binaries ;) |
| 02:43.18 | Miles800 | Are there packages for the source code of the kernel image packages? |
| 02:43.20 | sbetore | anothernick: No, bittorrent is a file sharing app |
| 02:43.21 | anothernick | damn lag |
| 02:43.29 | Xenguy | Justin: that would make sense - I'll have to take a closer look |
| 02:43.32 | g4lt | anothernick yes, you can get an irman via bittorrent. it's kinda tough though, since .torrent files for it are a bit rare (it's technically illegal) |
| 02:43.32 | suntech | rich_ - essentially i suppose - but is there some kind of general command to put the whole kernel into an image and just put it onto a floppy or something ? |
| 02:43.38 | gravity | God... /ignore is your friend |
| 02:43.40 | beth | real men put it on anonymous ftp and let the world mirror it. But naming it "lesbian porn" and putting it on bt is pretty close :) |
| 02:43.44 | SpinX | anothernick: lol |
| 02:43.46 | gravity | hehe |
| 02:43.53 | g4lt | beth thank you, Linus ;P |
| 02:44.15 | Xenguy | Justin: I purged firefox so I thought that would take care of it, but apparently not |
| 02:44.20 | gravity | Yeah, I love it when my lesbian porn turns out to be someone's shitty perl script |
| 02:44.21 | LinusGates | your welcome ;) |
| 02:44.28 | rich_ | suntech with dd I think, but the blocksize probably matters |
| 02:44.33 | gravity | That makes me very happy and does not put me in to a murderous rage at all |
| 02:44.42 | Justin | Xenguy: it might be in ~/.mozilla/.../plugins |
| 02:44.55 | suntech | rich_ - im so confused now |
| 02:44.57 | peterS | rich_: no, the block size does not matter. 'dd' or 'cp' both work |
| 02:44.59 | Xenguy | Justin: I'll check that - tx |
| 02:45.02 | sbetore | Hahaaa! The best way to beat a troll is to take him seriously ;D |
| 02:45.12 | r3pt1le | that porn idea, you need to put it on the fasttrack network, it owuld have more mirrors faster than BT would |
| 02:45.13 | sussudio | takes one to know one |
| 02:45.14 | rich_ | peterS thanks |
| 02:45.35 | rich_ | suntech peterS says you can just use dd or cp. |
| 02:45.44 | g4lt | sussudio what, my comment about it being technically illegal to download an irman didn't work, you think ;P |
| 02:45.56 | medgno | is anyone having problems with nautilus not thumbnailing jpegs? |
| 02:45.59 | suntech | alright ... but so what all would i have to copy onto it ? (excuse my ignorance) |
| 02:46.06 | sbetore | r3pt1le: FT and Gnutella |
| 02:46.11 | suntech | and how would i go by making it bootable |
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| 02:46.38 | peterS | sussudio: btw, I appreciate the userpic update. it looks good now |
| 02:47.06 | sbetore | I'd like to put up a userpic |
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| 02:47.21 | suntech | i gotta sleep ... i just started dozing on my keyboard |
| 02:47.25 | sbetore | http://tore.nortia.no/images/agi/ |
| 02:47.29 | Xenguy | Justin: my mistake - it was an 'extension' I tried to install through the firefox interface |
| 02:47.35 | peterS | sbetore: you don't do it. sussudio finds you a worthy one and uses it. you get no say in the matter |
| 02:47.37 | g4lt | sbetore it'd help if you actually were around enough to generate statistics, first ;P |
| 02:47.37 | suntech | im gonna get back to this tomorrow - thx for the help so far everyone |
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| 02:48.01 | amsn | ? wish |
| 02:48.02 | g4lt | (debstats is run about monthly) |
| 02:48.03 | sbetore | it's the one where I stand next to the pdp-7 |
| 02:48.06 | sbetore | g4lt: I am on the list, so hah |
| 02:48.07 | peterS | g4lt: well, he *is* at number 51 |
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| 02:48.29 | g4lt | peterS bah, if you ain't top-10, you ain't sheet |
| 02:48.35 | gravity | Even I'm higher than that and I haven't been around lately |
| 02:48.38 | amsn | does tcl have a log file |
| 02:48.59 | peterS | amsn: tcl is (sort of) a programming language. your question doesn't make sense |
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| 02:49.26 | sbetore | Well, I just got here a week ago - give me time |
| 02:49.31 | g4lt | hell, even corr the troll is higher than sbetore |
| 02:49.38 | anothernick | some ass holes if flooding me |
| 02:49.43 | anothernick | some ass holes if flooding me !!! |
| 02:49.44 | sbetore | And I changed nicks in the beginning |
| 02:49.51 | anothernick | how do i stop it ? |
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| 02:50.07 | g4lt | anothernick bull, if they really wanted you off, you'd be off ;P |
| 02:50.08 | anothernick | some ass holes if flooding me !!! how do i stop it ? |
| 02:50.10 | amsn | peterS i mean some file tcl puts like debbuging info from scripts |
| 02:50.17 | sbetore | anothernick: Well, you must stop the ass from holing if flooding you. |
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| 02:50.36 | bbmj | qestion on nfs: using autofs, is it a bad idea to use the same mount point for two nfs shares using two different 'keys'? |
| 02:50.40 | dondelelcaro | anothernick: so stop complaining to us and /ignore the person who is flooding you. |
| 02:50.42 | g4lt | sbetore nice, taking lessons from eliza? ;P |
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| 02:50.58 | Motoko | Question: I have a system with a Western Digital SATA RAID Controller card and I'm trying to set up Debian on it, how do I get it to see the card so I can install to it??? |
| 02:50.59 | peterS | dondelelcaro: we missed you while you were away |
| 02:50.59 | anothernick | some ass holes if flooding me !!! how do i stop it ? |
| 02:51.00 | anothernick | some ass holes if flooding me !!! how do i stop it ? |
| 02:51.01 | anothernick | some ass holes if flooding me !!! how do i stop it ? |
| 02:51.02 | anothernick | some ass holes if flooding me !!! how do i stop it ? |
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| 02:51.03 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@mao.acc.umu.se] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:51.03 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 02:51.13 | sbetore | g4lt: What do you mean nice taking lessons from eliza? |
| 02:51.14 | anothernick | some ass holes if flooding me !!! how do i stop it ? |
| 02:51.16 | anothernick | some ass holes if flooding me !!! how do i stop it ? |
| 02:51.18 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@a213-22-92-115.netcabo.pt] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:51.24 | sussudio | acc.umu.se? that's not floodboy |
| 02:51.27 | *** mode/#debian [-q *!*@mao.acc.umu.se] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:51.27 | sbetore | unquiet him, I'm bored :P |
| 02:51.32 | medgno | sbetore: heh |
| 02:51.39 | peterS | sbetore: /msg him |
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| 02:51.44 | beth | sbetore: msg him, I'm sure he'll be happy to bug you there :P |
| 02:51.44 | peterS | sbetore: that's still allowed |
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| 02:51.46 | gravity | dondelelcaro: Thank ye |
| 02:51.57 | sbetore | haha |
| 02:51.59 | dondelelcaro | anton: sorry about that. |
| 02:52.08 | sbetore | No, then I would be taking the initiative tc |
| 02:52.12 | sbetore | etc* |
| 02:52.26 | gravity | What a loser |
| 02:52.31 | peterS | sbetore: well, he's still on #debian, just can't talk |
| 02:52.38 | peterS | sbetore: maybe he'll notice that you wanted to speak with him |
| 02:52.39 | sbetore | What country is .pt anyway? |
| 02:52.43 | peterS | sbetore: portugal |
| 02:52.47 | sbetore | oh dear. |
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| 02:52.59 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: netcabo.pt are dynamic ip's |
| 02:53.05 | Motoko | anyone? |
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| 02:53.17 | g4lt | anothernick so tell us all you know... |
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| 02:53.29 | peterS | Motoko: I don't think WD makes a SATA chipset |
| 02:53.35 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: probably, but if he comes back, he'll be banned again... |
| 02:53.46 | g4lt | peterS they'd best, since they make SATA DRIVES |
| 02:53.46 | Motoko | I think it's a promise chipset |
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| 02:54.01 | g4lt | anothernick that little? |
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| 02:54.11 | peterS | Motoko: but anyway, you can try installing from debian-installer - see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 02:54.30 | peterS | Motoko: debian-installer includes a kernel 2.6 boot, which should support most SATA chipsets out there now, though not all |
| 02:54.45 | Motoko | alright |
| 02:54.49 | peterS | Motoko: be advised that you'll end up with a 'testing' system, not debian stable |
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| 02:55.07 | Motoko | Well I like to use the Unstable source anyways |
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| 02:55.50 | Motoko | I'm pretty familiar with Linux but this is my first time with a RAID COntroller |
| 02:55.54 | peterS | Motoko: ok, you'll do fine then. I can't say whether the 2.6 kernel will support your SATA chipset or not, but good luck to you |
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| 02:56.38 | Motoko | peterS: Thank You |
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| 02:58.52 | Nitrocld | how do I find out package versions in apt's repositories |
| 02:58.54 | dan2 | peterS: I know automake sucks, but it isn't too bad |
| 02:58.57 | urbanCulture | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.18 | dan2 | urbanCulture: dpkg -P --force-depends |
| 02:59.19 | peterS | urbanCulture: ummm, you can't run qmail and ssmtp at the same time. that's the whole point of the conflict |
| 02:59.24 | peterS | dan2: uh, no |
| 02:59.40 | peterS | dan2: ah, you said -P, I thought you said -i |
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| 02:59.47 | tcsetattr | Nitrocld, apt-cache show |
| 02:59.55 | urbanCulture | yeah, but how to get rid of ssmtp, without like the rest of the servers on the box :P |
| 03:00.05 | dan2 | urbanCulture: dpkg -P --force-depends ssmtp |
| 03:00.08 | jwal | I just got an update for evolution-data-server that does not have libecal.so.4. As a result evolution-1.5 will not run. |
| 03:00.13 | bbmj | qestion on nfs: using autofs, is it a bad idea to use the same mount point for two nfs shares using two different 'keys'? can't figure it out. i'm mounting two shares to the same mount point using two different keys. one share works fine but the other almost always mounts itself twice but i can't find any reason why. |
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| 03:00.28 | medgno | does anyone know why nautilus won't thumbnail jpegs anymore? |
| 03:01.21 | g4lt | medgno do you think all of a sudden you'll get an answer after the TENTH TIME YOU'VE ASKED? |
| 03:01.46 | rich_ | thanks everyone, bbl |
| 03:01.48 | medgno | g4lt: never know, this was going to be the last time, and i thought i was following the five minute timeout policy |
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| 03:01.52 | medgno | much apologies |
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| 03:02.15 | gravity | medgno: Welcome to the joy of exerimental |
| 03:02.19 | g4lt | jwal I don't. evo is part of gnome, which stinks on ice |
| 03:02.30 | peterS | bbmj: I'm confused. the mount point *is* the key. how can you have the same mount point twice with two different keys? |
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| 03:02.38 | g4lt | gravity excremental even ;P |
| 03:02.47 | gravity | heh |
| 03:02.52 | medgno | g4lt: okay, that deserves a major 'heh' |
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| 03:03.09 | bbmj | peterS, the key isn't always the mount point |
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| 03:03.29 | peterS | bbmj: what sort of autofs are you running? in all versions of autofs I've used, it is |
| 03:03.35 | bobbyg | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.55 | dan2 | peterS: atm, I am too lazy to rewrite dbmail's build system from automake, and can't see any reason why to |
| 03:04.26 | peterS | dan2: if something's already using automake, it's simpler to just go with the flow. I just wouldn't necessarily use it for any new code |
| 03:04.39 | bbmj | the mp is /mnt/fserv the who keys being abc and 123 neither are listed in /mnt/fserv until mounted. |
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| 03:04.50 | dan2 | peterS: it has its ups and downs |
| 03:04.54 | provirus | hi all |
| 03:04.58 | bbmj | so you man /mnt/fserv/abc and /mnt/fserv/123 |
| 03:05.07 | dan2 | peterS: you lose some flexibility, but it ensures dependencies work nicely for libtool |
| 03:05.12 | bbmj | s/man/have |
| 03:05.27 | peterS | bbmj: oh so you mean, the mount point for the autofs filesystem. I thought you meant, the mount point for the NFS mounts mounted via autofs, within the filesystem |
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| 03:06.06 | bbmj | peterS, correct one mount point two keys. |
| 03:06.21 | jaxxan | if you want to do a search for more than one word in 'apt-cache search', what would the syntax be ? |
| 03:06.31 | peterS | bbmj: I don't see how two different keys pointing to the same NFS share would be a bad thing |
| 03:06.33 | jaxxan | i'm looking for the mysql development library |
| 03:06.47 | peterS | bbmj: I haven't tried it, but I don't see why it would be a problem |
| 03:06.49 | g4lt | jaxxan libmysqlclient-dev |
| 03:07.14 | bbmj | two nfs shares, one mount point, two keys |
| 03:07.24 | provirus | I've got a little prob: I just installed all the lastest sid things and it tooks like 10 minutes to kde and gnome to start. Kde is waiting on the "starting services" during a long time. But it is not due to Xfree because "twm" load instantly. How can I solve it? |
| 03:07.40 | g4lt | bbmj not possible, unless you use some filesystem magic |
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| 03:07.51 | jaxxan | thanks |
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| 03:08.01 | peterS | g4lt: he's talking about autofs |
| 03:08.14 | amsn | now amsn is working |
| 03:08.14 | bbmj | peterS, everything works great other than one key always mounting itself twice. the other works how i want it. |
| 03:08.14 | amsn | !!! |
| 03:08.15 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 03:08.22 | Miles800 | Is there a way to make the xserver output everything in greyscale? |
| 03:08.24 | g4lt | peterS that would be filesystem magic :/ |
| 03:08.25 | peterS | bbmj: strange indeed |
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| 03:08.27 | sonictooth | provirus: look in your Xsessions files |
| 03:08.30 | peterS | g4lt: oh, point |
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| 03:08.47 | provirus | sonictooth: and I search for what inside? |
| 03:08.55 | bbmj | and it doesn't matter which is mounted first etc. |
| 03:09.00 | dan2 | peterS: what makes automake so bad? |
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| 03:09.14 | beengo | hi |
| 03:09.33 | peterS | dan2: I find it annoying to use, and it generates horrible looking makefiles |
| 03:09.34 | sonictooth | provirus: look for lines that load twm |
| 03:09.47 | peterS | dan2: the horrible looking makefiles wouldn't be a problem if the tool always worked well (: |
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| 03:09.59 | provirus | sonictooth: for what purpose? |
| 03:10.08 | beengo | can some1 point me to a good documentation on startup functions for debian? |
| 03:10.12 | bbmj | g4lt, but of course that goes back to my original question. is it a bad idea. |
| 03:10.15 | sonictooth | provirus: oh sorry and then comment it out |
| 03:10.16 | peterS | dan2: the API changes that apparently came fast and thick between automake 1.4 and automake 1.7 have given it a flaky reputation, as well |
| 03:10.17 | siimo | what is a good font to use for KDE ? helvetica gives me a headache |
| 03:10.19 | g4lt | peterS you forgot theissue of incompatible upgrades |
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| 03:10.30 | peterS | g4lt: I didn't forget, I was still typing. see above (: |
| 03:10.39 | medgno | siimo: Bitstream Vera Sans and Nimbus Sans L are some personal favourites |
| 03:10.42 | tjs | Is anyone here familiar with 'tip' ? |
| 03:10.45 | peterS | dan2: i.e. you have to know exactly which version of automake your project supports, and it doesn't always support a very wide version range |
| 03:10.48 | provirus | sonictooth: why comment it? It's KDM who manage this file |
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| 03:10.57 | amsn | does anyone here use j2ee |
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| 03:11.03 | g4lt | bbmj not really, if it works. if it doesn't, go with normal mount and fstab |
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| 03:11.24 | g4lt | amsn j2ee is non-free :P |
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| 03:11.50 | sonictooth | provirus: you just want it to stop loading twm and let kde/gnome load their own window managers |
| 03:11.52 | amsn | g4lt is not open source |
| 03:11.59 | siimo | thanks |
| 03:12.01 | sonictooth | provirus, so somewhere twm is being loaded before kde and gnome |
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| 03:12.15 | sbk | what about j2ee anyway (used to muck with some of those api's anyway) |
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| 03:12.37 | dan2 | peterS: heh, understood, apparently dbmail seems to work best with am1.4 |
| 03:12.47 | beengo | can some1 point me to a good documentation on startup functions for debian? i read the FAQ and it dont cover my questions. |
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| 03:12.58 | provirus | sonictooth: no no. When I choose kde, kde starts but it takes 10 minutes to load because it is waiting on the "starting services" for a reason that I don't know |
| 03:12.59 | dondelelcaro | beengo: just ask your question. |
| 03:13.23 | beengo | i cant use my network card without pump.. id like to have it start automatically |
| 03:13.26 | amsn | bye luck with debian and fedora |
| 03:13.39 | threefold | Uhm, I have an external rockwell / conexant USB 56k modem that i wish to setup on my debian system. I can see it as device 4 when using 'lsusb' what is my next step ? |
| 03:13.45 | sonictooth | provirus, oh sorry, i had a problem where twm loaded instead, try updating scrollkeeper and reinstalling core kde packages, that's fixed the problem with gnome for me |
| 03:14.04 | provirus | sonictooth thanks you :) |
| 03:14.04 | threefold | Just not sure what to do next, and having trouble finding a howto that seems relevant |
| 03:14.06 | dondelelcaro | beengo: you'd probably be better off using dhclient, but man 5 interfaces;, and read about auto eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp; |
| 03:14.39 | beengo | okie. i still wish there was a definitive FAQ on linux-world startup stuff.. i prefer to help myself... thanks though |
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| 03:14.57 | ^arky^ | hi |
| 03:15.05 | sonictooth | threefold: look for a ppp howto |
| 03:15.14 | ^arky^ | doesn't anyone know ext3 file recovery tools |
| 03:15.27 | threefold | sonictooth, looking at all sorts of howto's currently |
| 03:15.35 | tgkjer | ext3 file cant be discover |
| 03:15.44 | ^arky^ | oh I see |
| 03:15.47 | sonictooth | ^arky^, try fsck.ext3 |
| 03:15.50 | tgkjer | i mean for undeletion |
| 03:15.51 | mdh | ^arky^: that would be 'tar' and your tape drive, surely? |
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| 03:16.08 | ^arky^ | does recover work with ext3 |
| 03:16.40 | knoppix_ | hola que tal_ |
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| 03:17.00 | dan2 | peterS: are there any alternatives to automake? |
| 03:17.31 | beengo | dondelelcaro, is this the package you mean? http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/dhcp-client |
| 03:17.44 | peterS | dan2: just writing your Makefile.in by hand |
| 03:18.10 | dondelelcaro | beengo: yes. specifically, dhcp3-client if it's in woody. |
| 03:18.13 | dondelelcaro | !info dhcp3-client |
| 03:18.15 | dpkg | dhcp3-client: (DHCP Client), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0+3.0.1rc13-1 (sid), Packaged size: 405 kB, Installed size: 848 kB |
| 03:18.16 | dondelelcaro | !info dhcp3-client stable |
| 03:18.23 | beengo | thanks |
| 03:18.25 | dpkg | dhcp3-client: (DHCP Client), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0+3.0.1rc9-2.2 (woody), Packaged size: 366 kB, Installed size: 784 kB |
| 03:19.00 | peterS | amazing how packages can grow from 366 to 405 kilobytes, within two release candidates |
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| 03:19.10 | peterS | (referring to dhcp3-client here) |
| 03:19.45 | Justin | peterS: s/two/four/ |
| 03:19.55 | peterS | Justin: well, ok. but still. |
| 03:20.19 | peterS | that's quite a few percent, for something which shouldn't really be changing except for a few bug fixes |
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| 03:20.42 | peterS | unless people kept contributing new doc translations during that time, or something |
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| 03:21.29 | g4lt | peterS no freeze yet. in fact, until d-i goes live, there won't be one. therefore, change happens ;P |
| 03:21.57 | mdh | peterS: perhaps the packages got reorganised and other stuff was pulled in from another package |
| 03:21.59 | gravity | It's getting closer |
| 03:22.01 | peterS | g4lt: I'm not talking about debian, I'm talking about the dhcp3 package from ISC. you'd think "release candidate 9" -> "release candidate 13" for a single release, would have very few real changes |
| 03:22.02 | gravity | rc1 is on its way |
| 03:22.21 | cafuego | peterS: just add on a set of html docs. |
| 03:22.26 | mdh | oooh |
| 03:22.27 | peterS | cafuego: that'd do it, yeah |
| 03:22.32 | g4lt | peterS uhm if thye're still in RC status NOW, you get what you pay for... |
| 03:22.43 | cafuego | or even a non-compressable jpeg logo. |
| 03:22.47 | dondelelcaro | peterS: ted lemon is pretty conservative on the changes... |
| 03:23.00 | dondelelcaro | peterS: that, and 3.0 has been in some sort of rc state for ever. |
| 03:23.03 | peterS | dondelelcaro: who's that - ISC dhcp3 upstream? |
| 03:23.08 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah. |
| 03:23.22 | g4lt | peterS what, they're takning lessons from Enlightenment? ;P |
| 03:23.23 | peterS | dondelelcaro: anyway, this isn't 3.0 rc, it's 3.0.1 rc |
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| 03:23.27 | peterS | g4lt: ahh |
| 03:23.40 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, I'm just refering to the entire 3.0 branch. |
| 03:23.49 | peterS | dondelelcaro: one would think 3.0.1 wouldn't entail a lot of revolutionary changes over 3.0 in any case |
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| 03:24.17 | Guerin | w00t, I might get my server costs paid forhosting a couple mailing lists for my mate's work :) |
| 03:24.21 | dondelelcaro | peterS: well, a few big things changed, iirc... allocation from pool changed, the lease file format changed, and a few other things... |
| 03:24.37 | threefold | errrr... Ive loaded the 'acm' module which is apparently needed to use 'some' USB external modems. I now have '/dev/ttyUSB0-9' but when I do a 'cat /dev/ttyUSB0' etc i get no device. Is their something i need to do to get the acm module to know which USB device the modem is ? |
| 03:24.51 | dondelelcaro | peterS: but then again, there are still people with thousand line patches to isc's dhcp 2 series around... |
| 03:24.56 | peterS | dondelelcaro: for changing things like your data storage file format, I'd think they'd number it 3.1 or so |
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| 03:25.27 | dan2 | peterS: hmm, autoscan is a nifty tool |
| 03:25.29 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah... not sure why they didn't... I'm not following its development that closely anymore, since I stopped running a large network with dhcp. |
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| 03:26.55 | gravity | Very nice little intro to spatial nautilus, if anyone is interested: http://www.bytebot.net/geekdocs/spatial-nautilus.html |
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| 03:27.50 | mdh | well bugger me! |
| 03:28.05 | dan2 | peterS: mm, dbmail seems to be using less memory now :) |
| 03:28.50 | threefold | When I connect my usb modem, it gets assigned a device id, but it doesnot get assigned a ttyUSB. |
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| 03:29.34 | bob2 | what does "uname -r" say? |
| 03:29.42 | dan2 | bob2: long time no see |
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| 03:29.51 | g4lt | !bugger mdh |
| 03:30.24 | bob2 | dan2: yeah, work + weekend + gofuckyourselftelstra |
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| 03:30.51 | sussudio | bob2: nothing a couple of wallabees can't fix |
| 03:30.58 | g4lt | bob2 isn't gofuckyourselftelstra transfinite? |
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| 03:31.24 | Guerin | sussudio: oh, thanks terribly for the debstats picture... |
| 03:31.25 | bob2 | bwahaha |
| 03:31.34 | bob2 | sussudio: especially with bbq saucw |
| 03:31.39 | bob2 | er, sauce |
| 03:31.40 | gravity | heh |
| 03:31.42 | sussudio | Guerin: baah |
| 03:32.24 | cafuego | wtf is a wallabee |
| 03:32.25 | sussudio | Guerin: they can hear the unzipping of a fly for miles |
| 03:32.36 | threefold | should i just assume that my usb modem is unsupported since acm doesn't automagically assign it a ttyUSB ? When reading others post's and howto about different hardware, some of them had to recompile the acm module with some new lines added, should i be looking down this path since I cannot find a reference to my specific type of modem. |
| 03:32.36 | sussudio | cafuego: bob2's userpic |
| 03:32.41 | gravity | cafuego: When you cover a brick wall with bees. |
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| 03:32.44 | Guerin | sussudio: so I hear |
| 03:32.49 | cafuego | sussudio: looks like a wallaby to me |
| 03:32.52 | gravity | I can now die in shame |
| 03:32.58 | |QuaD| | where can i find drivers for a prism2 device for kernel 2.6 |
| 03:33.04 | Psyke | in my crontab i call a script... and some reason reason i get an e-mail everytime it runs... saying "/bin/sh: line 1: psyke: command not found" |
| 03:33.09 | sussudio | cafuego: meervoud |
| 03:33.12 | Psyke | oops sry :) |
| 03:33.18 | cafuego | |QuaD|: In the kernel, it's called orinoco |
| 03:33.18 | g4lt | Guerin getting blue balls? ;P |
| 03:33.23 | cafuego | sussudio: Neen, "wallabies" |
| 03:33.33 | sussudio | cafuego: stil, harko |
| 03:33.34 | |QuaD| | cafuego: how do i get it setup? |
| 03:33.41 | tcsetattr | Psyke, you are trying to run a command called "psyke". |
| 03:34.03 | SpinX | [root@hyped:home]:$tar -cf backup.tar /home |
| 03:34.03 | SpinX | tar: Removing leading `/' from member names |
| 03:34.03 | SpinX | tar: /home/backup.tar: file is the archive; not dumped |
| 03:34.04 | |QuaD| | any tutorials? i have looked all over |
| 03:34.09 | SpinX | does that mean.. it worked lol |
| 03:34.13 | Psyke | tcsetattr i dunno why its trying to run that though the script has no command called that... the script has "/usr/bin/fbsetbg -R $home/.fluxbox/backgrounds" |
| 03:34.16 | cafuego | |QuaD|: You um, load the driver. |
| 03:34.34 | |QuaD| | modprob orinoco? |
| 03:34.40 | tcsetattr | Psyke, you must have it in there somewhere... it doesn't just spontaneously generate |
| 03:34.44 | cafuego | SpinX: tar tf backup.tar -> does that list your files? |
| 03:34.58 | Hyp3rion | heh |
| 03:35.04 | Psyke | tcsetattr my nick isn't in there at all, the scripts only like 3 lines long... could it be getting it from the $home? |
| 03:35.06 | SpinX | cafuego: yeah, a s***load of em lol |
| 03:35.07 | |QuaD| | cafuego: nothing happens |
| 03:35.19 | cafuego | |QuaD|: hurray, it worked! |
| 03:35.24 | cafuego | SpinX: Cool. |
| 03:35.30 | bob2 | Psyke: your crontab line is wrong |
| 03:35.33 | |QuaD| | when i do an lsmod it doesn't sho wthough |
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| 03:35.40 | bob2 | Psyke: read "man 5 crontab", and don't put your username in there |
| 03:35.44 | SpinX | then it worked.. yay |
| 03:35.44 | |QuaD| | nm it does |
| 03:35.51 | |QuaD| | cafuego: what do i do now? |
| 03:35.52 | SpinX | now, I hope my cd i burned works.. |
| 03:35.58 | Psyke | bob2 : i dont have my username in there i just have "*/30 * * * * wpchanger.sh" |
| 03:36.04 | tcsetattr | yeah, if you thought you could copy a line from /etc/crontab into your user contrab and it would work the same way... gotch! |
| 03:36.08 | tcsetattr | gotcha! |
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| 03:36.20 | cafuego | |QuaD|: supply is with into as to what SORT of card it is. |
| 03:36.20 | SpinX | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:36.21 | Guerin | g4lt: it's now too late for a witty rejoinder |
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| 03:36.45 | helo | i'm having some trouble logging in as any normal user with ssh |
| 03:36.49 | |QuaD| | how? its a usb dongle |
| 03:36.50 | helo | i can log in as root |
| 03:36.55 | helo | but nobody else |
| 03:37.02 | cafuego | SpinX: if you have a scsi burner OR a 2./4 kernel with scsi emulation, it probably worked. |
| 03:37.14 | cafuego | |QuaD|: usb? Sorry, can't help you. |
| 03:37.18 | SpinX | it burned.. i mean if the CD will boot or not |
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| 03:37.31 | g4lt | helo you're having the exact OPPOSITE problem you should be having. SSH should reject root and accept everyone else |
| 03:37.31 | SpinX | sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:37.42 | cafuego | SpinX: There's an easy way to check that and a hard way. |
| 03:37.48 | provirus | sonictooth: I found something interresting. When I disconnect from internet (poff), kde load instantly and when it is on (pon), it won't. When I try to ping 127.0.0.1 when online, it takes very much time, but when offline, it appears intently |
| 03:37.49 | tcsetattr | ssh rejecting root s no longer the default behavior |
| 03:37.49 | SpinX | what are those? |
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| 03:37.59 | g4lt | tcsetattr that's just shit |
| 03:38.08 | Guerin | SpinX: if you're in *nix now, you can mount it - if it burned properly, it'l mount, and therefore boot |
| 03:38.10 | cafuego | SpinX: easy) insert cd, reboot. hard) look at it and guess. |
| 03:38.13 | g4lt | whoever set that up ought to be shot |
| 03:38.18 | dondelelcaro | "You, too, can be a sleazy pornographer like Hugh Hefner, who in this game's vision is about 30 years younger and resembles Superman more than the dirty old man he is"... can you say bias? I knew you could... |
| 03:38.27 | helo | i can't log in as anyone but root though |
| 03:38.33 | tcsetattr | it never made much sense to refuse root logins over ssh, while allowing "ssh root@host any_command_you_want" |
| 03:38.36 | helo | have resest myh password too |
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| 03:38.43 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: "byuss" |
| 03:38.46 | SpinX | cafuego: haha lol |
| 03:38.50 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: shit, i got it wrong :-( |
| 03:39.12 | helo | could it be a pam problem maybe? |
| 03:39.17 | Q2Serpent | Here's one: in debian unstable I can't seem to build freeswan-modules-source because it never builds any alg/* even though it tries to copy them at the end (and fails) |
| 03:39.28 | g4lt | tcsetattr uhm, permitrootlogin disallowed any root login at all |
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| 03:39.52 | g4lt | tcsetattr including ssh root@localhost command |
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| 03:42.10 | tcsetattr | I know I had a setup somewhere that allowed ssh root@localhost command but not an actual login. I don't remember where or how |
| 03:43.07 | macca | should keep a file of flashes of brilliance you can never find them again |
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| 03:43.23 | helo | i get "Failed password for dumbuser from ip..." even when i type the right password... |
| 03:43.25 | Guerin | tcsetattr: PermitLogin root |
| 03:43.34 | g4lt | tcsetattr probably, but it wasn't the default by a long shot |
| 03:43.59 | tcsetattr | it was probably because of UseLogin and securetty |
| 03:44.09 | Guerin | tcsetattr: sorry, my bad: AllowUsers root |
| 03:44.15 | helo | i can't even ssh to localhost |
| 03:44.30 | tcsetattr | helo, use ssh -v for verbose diagnostics |
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| 03:44.59 | Guerin | helo: check your sshd_config. It's pretty self-explanatory |
| 03:45.07 | tcsetattr | and sshd -d |
| 03:45.28 | helo | guerin: i have looked through it thoroughly, and can't find anything out of the ordinary |
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| 03:46.47 | Guerin | helo: no DenyUsers directive? PasswordAuthentication yes? |
| 03:47.13 | helo | no denyusesrs, passwordauth is yes |
| 03:47.28 | helo | the really odd thing is that i can ssh in as root |
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| 03:47.38 | helo | my sshd logs say incorrect password |
| 03:47.43 | Guerin | I'd stay and help you, but I need to be at work in 15min, sorry |
| 03:47.46 | helo | but i've reset it several times |
| 03:48.05 | helo | any idea where to go for help? google is ungood |
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| 03:48.25 | Guerin | well, if root works, then pam is working too. Try #security, they might kknow as well. |
| 03:48.34 | tcsetattr | I'm telling you, use sshd -d and ssh -v |
| 03:48.35 | helo | ok, thanks |
| 03:49.24 | helo | stopping sshd won't kill existing connections, right? |
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| 03:49.44 | g4lt | helo no |
| 03:49.44 | LoRez | helo: correct |
| 03:49.46 | Guerin | helo: no |
| 03:49.51 | tcsetattr | as long as you only kill the parent and not the children. your could run sshd -d on another port though. |
| 03:49.53 | kmag | Has anyone else been having problems with Mozilla debs installing .xul files with XML syntax errors lately? |
| 03:49.53 | Guerin | !groupthink |
| 03:49.54 | dpkg | You know, when everyone thinks/says the same thing at once? Like this: <RolandU> is ext3 the next version after ext2 or is it something whole different? <thebug> RolandU: ext3 == ext2 + a journal <Sinistrad> RolandU, ext3 is ext2 with a journal <Guerin> RolandU: it's ext2+jounralling <Flimzy> RolandU: ext3 is journaling extensions added to ext2 <zophyx> ext3 has journaling |
| 03:50.33 | g4lt | Guerin this time, we confuzzled him ;P |
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| 03:50.58 | kmag | The main advantage of ext3 is that it's reverse-compatible with ext2 |
| 03:51.09 | g4lt | kmag no shit? |
| 03:51.22 | kmag | you can mount ext2 partitions on any system that can mount ext2 |
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| 03:51.33 | kmag | of course, you lose journaling advantages |
| 03:51.34 | macca | doesn't make satanic hex's when played backwards |
| 03:51.39 | g4lt | !captain obvious kmag |
| 03:52.01 | tcsetattr | getting a reading on the obviometer |
| 03:52.16 | g4lt | tcsetattr I canna. It's pegged |
| 03:52.45 | helo | all -d says of note is "pam password authentication for "dumbuser" failed: Authentication failure |
| 03:52.55 | helo | love that... It failed, reason: failure |
| 03:53.16 | macca | needs a bright user |
| 03:54.08 | kmag | which PAM modules are you using? |
| 03:56.01 | tcsetattr | grep '^auth' /etc/pam.d/ssh |
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| 03:56.26 | g4lt | kmag WRT your question. I think someone had a major issue with taht a bit ago, it killed every web browser they had: firefox, moz, and konqueror |
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| 03:56.45 | |QuaD| | so my module for my wlan card loads fine, can someone help me with the init scripts? |
| 03:56.47 | helo | hmm... |
| 03:56.55 | helo | map_nologin.so, pam_unix.so, and pam_env.so |
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| 03:57.08 | Chameleon22 | hi all, with nagios, everything seems to be working fine, but when i click "Network Outages" i get "It appears as though you do not have permission to view information you requested" error, any idea how i could resolve that ? |
| 03:57.10 | helo | that nologin looks a little funny ;) |
| 03:57.13 | helo | would that be it? |
| 03:57.26 | wigget | Do I need to use the Knoppix Live Installer to install "outline-magic.el" (for Emacs)? I have downloaded outline-magic.el. |
| 03:57.28 | tcsetattr | that's normal, it just checks for /etc/nologin and rejects everyone if that file exists. |
| 03:57.34 | siimo | anyone know if the GTK-Qt Theme Engine is on any apt mirror? i cant find it |
| 03:57.37 | g4lt | wigget #knoppix |
| 03:57.42 | tcsetattr | it's a quick way for you to lock out all your users in an emergency. touch /etc/nologin |
| 03:57.48 | helo | ! |
| 03:57.54 | helo | it is there... how the hell... |
| 03:57.59 | wigget | g4lt sorry I forgot |
| 03:58.13 | tcsetattr | oh! you have an /etc/nologin ? heheh. Then you're getting exactly what you are supposed to get |
| 03:58.20 | cafuego | |QuaD|: apt-get install wireless-tools; man interfaces |
| 03:58.21 | helo | its contents are "System bootup in progress - please wait |
| 03:58.27 | helo | i never even knew of htat file, i didn't touch it |
| 03:58.28 | tcsetattr | ok then... rm it |
| 03:58.41 | |QuaD| | cafuego: what do i do with "wireless-tools"... how do i use it |
| 03:58.47 | siimo | is it this one? gtk-engines-qtpixmap |
| 03:58.50 | kmag | make sure you still have S99rmnologin |
| 03:58.52 | tcsetattr | it's supposed to be created then removed at some point during boot |
| 03:58.53 | cafuego | |QuaD|: it comes with docs. |
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| 03:59.01 | g4lt | okay, that's just fucked. not only does new ssh allow root, but it sets /etc/nologin?! |
| 03:59.02 | helo | nologin.boot exists |
| 03:59.03 | kmag | in /etc/rc3.d and /etc/rc5.d |
| 03:59.14 | tcsetattr | do you have an /etc/init.d/rmnologin ? |
| 03:59.30 | comfrey | is anyone familliar with the alias syntax domain_com_user ? |
| 03:59.38 | tcsetattr | and /etc/rc2.d/S99rmnologin -> ../init.d/rmnologin |
| 03:59.45 | helo | yeah, rmnologin |
| 03:59.49 | g4lt | comfrey uhm, that's a wind'ohs user |
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| 04:00.15 | comfrey | g4lt: nah, that is some sendmail relic |
| 04:00.16 | helo | and the link is there |
| 04:00.25 | kmag | what's your default runlevel? |
| 04:00.33 | kmag | I boot into runlevel 3 |
| 04:00.37 | helo | 2 |
| 04:00.40 | tcsetattr | seems like your boot is incomplete then. |
| 04:00.42 | comfrey | i am trying to find out how postfix will resolve such syntax |
| 04:00.42 | kmag | ahh |
| 04:00.44 | Pip_Main | how do I upgrade from 2.4 kernel to 2.6 or is it a waste of time???? |
| 04:00.54 | Nilbus | I just hot unplugged a hard drive. Can I get the kernel to re-scan the IDE bus so that LILO does not complain that the drive is no longer there? |
| 04:01.02 | cafuego | comfrey: As far as I can tell, it won't. |
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| 04:01.09 | g4lt | comfrey man aliases |
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| 04:01.44 | helo | any reason why my runlevel isn't what it should be? |
| 04:01.46 | comfrey | f3ew said it would, a few days ago but he is sleeping |
| 04:01.51 | helo | i certainlyl didn't mess with it |
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| 04:02.07 | dan2 | cafuego: are pthreads difficult to work with? |
| 04:02.14 | g4lt | helo who set up your system, the Marquis de Sade? |
| 04:02.20 | cafuego | dan2: I doubt it |
| 04:02.23 | helo | i did, heh :P |
| 04:02.23 | kmag | pthreads aren't too hard to work with |
| 04:02.26 | tcsetattr | helo, are you in single-user mode? was there a "run fsck manually" involved? |
| 04:02.28 | dan2 | cafuego: cool |
| 04:02.30 | kerneld | Pretty easy pthreads |
| 04:02.42 | helo | lol... i don't think so |
| 04:02.54 | cafuego | kerneld: you're a kthread, what would you know? |
| 04:03.02 | helo | i did have a booting problem a while back |
| 04:03.03 | kerneld | :P |
| 04:03.21 | helo | this server is in another town, and handles my email and some html |
| 04:03.37 | helo | so i had my dad login through the console |
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| 04:03.50 | dan2 | cafuego: I am moving the existing prefork implementation in dbmail to pthreads, esp. since mail may need the benefit when you are running it a college uni |
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| 04:03.58 | helo | but i thought the problem was that my https server required a passphrase for the private key |
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| 04:04.08 | g4lt | helo default init level is 2 |
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| 04:04.20 | helo | oh, well then |
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| 04:04.27 | tears | !depends evolution-data-server |
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| 04:04.46 | g4lt | god only knows what screwed up system boots kmag into 3 |
| 04:05.21 | helo | heh |
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| 04:06.28 | SpinX | oh man this sucks |
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| 04:06.39 | g4lt | helo you really need to reinstall sysvinit and initscripts though, especially if you lack rmnologin |
| 04:06.49 | SpinX | i can't back up my stuff.. on my 40gig, it's a fat32. i have 18gb to put on there, and it only allows 2gb.. file size exceeded.. :( |
| 04:06.49 | helo | no, rmnologin is there |
| 04:06.58 | helo | as well as the link you mentioned |
| 04:07.01 | Chameleon22 | hi all, with nagios, everything seems to be working fine, but when i click "Network Outages" i get "It appears as though you do not have permission to view information you requested" error, any idea how i could resolve that ? |
| 04:07.11 | helo | but i think i'll reinstall them anyways |
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| 04:07.45 | g4lt | helo you've blown away /etc/nologin? |
| 04:08.02 | helo | yeah, logins work |
| 04:08.11 | helo | everything seems to be fixed |
| 04:08.21 | helo | i'm afraid what will happen if i reboot though |
| 04:08.31 | macca | congratulations |
| 04:08.51 | g4lt | helo I dunno if you like this policy, but I'd suggest that you set permitrootlogin no in /etc/ssh/sshd_config as soon as your're comfortable with the new setup |
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| 04:09.15 | tears | how long does it take for debian bugs to appear on the bugs.debian.org page after reporting them? |
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| 04:12.47 | mdh | tears: in my experience, not long |
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| 04:12.47 | gravity | tears: Depends on how the server is doing, usually no more than 10 minutes in my experience |
| 04:12.47 | g4lt | tears could take up to a couple days, depending on the admins |
| 04:12.47 | helo | no such package as initscripts |
| 04:12.47 | tears | ouch |
| 04:12.47 | g4lt | helo hmmm |
| 04:12.47 | g4lt | helo what eversion of Debian are you running? |
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| 04:12.47 | helo | 3.0 |
| 04:12.48 | helo | i dist-upgraded to it a while back |
| 04:12.48 | mdh | *cough*knoppix*cough* |
| 04:12.48 | macca | :) |
| 04:12.48 | helo | umm, no |
| 04:12.49 | g4lt | !info initscripts woody |
| 04:12.49 | tears | +!gnome2.6 |
| 04:12.49 | g4lt | !info initscripts |
| 04:12.49 | dpkg | initscripts: (Standard scripts needed for booting and shutting down), section base, is required. Version: 2.85-15 (sid), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 04:12.52 | g4lt | ahh, it's not in woody |
| 04:13.10 | tears | I just reported many bugs for gnome2.6 on experimental, and also updated the definition on dpkg, before people update, heh |
| 04:13.14 | tears | brb |
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| 04:13.27 | helo | well, i reinstalled sysvinit |
| 04:13.40 | helo | i need to reconfigure apache-ssl so it doesn't prompt for a passphrase on boot |
| 04:13.41 | |QuaD| | i am soo confused on how to make the interface for my usb wifi card show up |
| 04:13.43 | gravity | Updated the definition on dpkg? |
| 04:13.47 | helo | then i can see what happens when i reboot |
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| 04:14.06 | |QuaD| | can someone help me? |
| 04:14.11 | helo | i just don't want to be locked out from remote login because the server is 3 hours away |
| 04:14.20 | helo | but that is for another day |
| 04:14.27 | helo | i have won this time! |
| 04:14.33 | helo | thanks for the help |
| 04:15.01 | kmag | quad: first of all, is your device showing up in the /proc filesystem? |
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| 04:15.28 | |QuaD| | how do i know |
| 04:15.33 | |QuaD| | what should i be looking for |
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| 04:15.57 | xmb | lala |
| 04:16.00 | kmag | quad: cd /proc/bus/usb |
| 04:16.06 | bob2 | no, first of all, is your thing supported by linux? |
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| 04:16.21 | gravity | bob2: That sounds very kinky |
| 04:16.32 | gravity | My thing is definitely not supported by linux, but linux is supported by my thing |
| 04:16.32 | g4lt | bob2 that could be taken WAY out of context ;P |
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| 04:16.40 | bob2 | man, I knew someone would comment on that |
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| 04:16.51 | xmb | im doing like * {soft,hard} nofile 2048 in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 04:16.51 | gravity | Was there any choice? I think not. |
| 04:16.51 | g4lt | glad to oblige |
| 04:16.57 | |QuaD| | kmag: it isn't showing up i don't htink |
| 04:16.58 | mdh | I'd need several linux boxes to support mine |
| 04:16.58 | xmb | but it doesnt change anything |
| 04:17.03 | xmb | any idea? |
| 04:17.07 | bob2 | mdh: WTMI |
| 04:17.14 | |QuaD| | bob2: it is a prism2 usb wifi |
| 04:17.42 | bob2 | |QuaD|: is that a "yes"? |
| 04:17.47 | |QuaD| | yea |
| 04:17.51 | bob2 | or a "bob2, can you go find out for me?"? |
| 04:17.54 | bob2 | ok, cool |
| 04:17.54 | g4lt | mdh naw, one intel microscope should do it ;P |
| 04:18.02 | bob2 | which driver set does it use? |
| 04:18.08 | |QuaD| | orinoco |
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| 04:18.12 | |QuaD| | which is loaded fine |
| 04:18.17 | bob2 | ok |
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| 04:18.25 | |QuaD| | but i am not seeing any traces in /proc/bus/usb |
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| 04:18.49 | bob2 | what does "dmesg" say right after you load it? |
| 04:18.50 | enntee | Can anyone point me at some documentation for setting up system-wide default handlers in debian? |
| 04:18.51 | kmag | there is nothing in /proc/bus/usb? |
| 04:18.54 | lorenzo | What user do I need to add to group audio to get fbgetty to be able to play a sound? I tried fbgetty, but that doesn't seem to work. |
| 04:19.08 | |QuaD| | bob2: lemme rmmod then modprob |
| 04:19.18 | |QuaD| | kmag: there is "001 002 003 004 devices" |
| 04:19.19 | bob2 | lorenzo: what user does it run sas? |
| 04:19.20 | mdh | g4lt: er... my thing is clusterised document classification. I have no idea what you're on about. |
| 04:19.22 | g4lt | enntee man mailcap |
| 04:19.24 | bob2 | lorenzo: "ps aux | grep fbgetty" |
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| 04:19.41 | g4lt | mdh the microfische edition |
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| 04:19.59 | lorenzo | bob2: It says it runs as fbgetty, but adding fbgetty to audio doesn't work. |
| 04:20.03 | xmb | nothing changes the ulimit limits |
| 04:20.08 | sussudio | bob2: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/oi.jpg |
| 04:20.13 | kmag | quad:so look at the devices file |
| 04:20.18 | mdh | heh.. microfiche is kinda cool. haven't used it since working in architecture though |
| 04:20.26 | lorenzo | bob2: Is there any other way to determine the user other than adding `whoami` to /etc/issue? |
| 04:20.42 | |QuaD| | bob2: dmesg isnt changing |
| 04:20.56 | bob2 | lorenzo: did you restart all your fbgetty's? |
| 04:21.09 | |QuaD| | kmag: what in here should i belooking for |
| 04:21.16 | lorenzo | bob2: Yes. |
| 04:21.27 | bob2 | |QuaD|: nothing new goes in there when load it? |
| 04:21.33 | |QuaD| | no |
| 04:22.00 | bob2 | lorenzo: hrm, very odd. |
| 04:22.21 | bob2 | and all my getty's run as root...I thought you'd need roto priveleges to run login |
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| 04:22.34 | |QuaD| | bob2: smod | grep orinoco |
| 04:22.34 | |QuaD| | orinoco 38540 0 |
| 04:22.34 | |QuaD| | hermes 7808 1 orinoco |
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| 04:22.49 | kmag | quad: have you installed hotplug and hotplug-utils? |
| 04:22.54 | lorenzo | bob2: Well, when I put `whoami` in /etc/issue I get "fbgetty. When I do the command you gave me, "ps aux |grep fbgetty", each line begins with "root". |
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| 04:23.03 | g4lt | bob2 ls -l /bin/login... |
| 04:23.14 | bob2 | |QuaD|: I don't doubt that you loaded it... |
| 04:23.26 | |QuaD| | kmag: didn't install utils... just did |
| 04:23.34 | bob2 | lorenzo: ah, ok...hrm, I'm outta dieas then. if no one else knows, try the debian-user list? |
| 04:23.35 | xmb | i should finally get that im not welcome here |
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| 04:23.42 | bob2 | g4lt: ah |
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| 04:24.10 | |QuaD| | kmag: now what |
| 04:25.15 | kmag | alright... so you don't see new directories appearing in /proc/bus/usb when you plug and unplug the device? |
| 04:25.52 | |QuaD| | no |
| 04:26.01 | |QuaD| | just 001 002 003 004 |
| 04:26.05 | |QuaD| | and i should have 6 ports |
| 04:26.09 | |QuaD| | or i do have 6 ports |
| 04:26.38 | kmag | and you have 3 connected devices? |
| 04:26.50 | |QuaD| | just the one wlan usb dongle |
| 04:26.55 | |QuaD| | thats all |
| 04:27.03 | kmag | how very odd |
| 04:27.04 | mdh | why do elephants drink so much? |
| 04:27.06 | mdh | to try to forget |
| 04:27.12 | |QuaD| | yea |
| 04:27.21 | lorenzo | anyone else know about the user I need to add to group audio for fbgetty to play a sound? Just a little fun I want to have since the prog is so versatile. ;-) |
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| 04:27.36 | scoopexH | does andbody had problems with fixed fonts and the kde-konsole - there is only one font available in the font-selection of konsole, and this font, named "fixed" looks damaged between 11 and 13points - other sizes look normal.... |
| 04:27.42 | scoopexH | what can i do ? |
| 04:27.51 | kmag | quad: I have no devices plugged in at the moment and only one device in /proc/bus/usb ... 001 is my usb hub |
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| 04:28.12 | |QuaD| | is there anyway to restart the usb daemon |
| 04:28.16 | |QuaD| | or whatever it is |
| 04:29.25 | lorenzo | |QuaD|: usb devices, as far as I know are just dynamically loaded kernel modules. I think the only way to restart the usb stuff is to unplug and replug your usb devices. |
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| 04:29.39 | |QuaD| | lorenzo: so do u have any ideas? |
| 04:29.51 | kmag | quad: try /etc/init.d/hotplug restart |
| 04:30.18 | cpbell | I'm having problems viewing manpages. I'm wondering if anyone knows what is wrong with groff here: |
| 04:30.28 | |QuaD| | trying |
| 04:30.43 | |QuaD| | taking a little while on the usb step |
| 04:30.50 | cpbell | groff: can't find `DESC' file |
| 04:30.50 | cpbell | groff:fatal error: invalid device `latin1' |
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| 04:31.22 | kmag | cpbell: sounds like a font problem |
| 04:31.37 | tcsetattr | !find /usr/share/groff/1.17.2/font/devlatin1/DESC |
| 04:31.46 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/share/groff/1.17.2/font/devlatin1/DESC' returned no results. |
| 04:32.01 | tcsetattr | oh, fine. It seems to be in groff-base. |
| 04:32.08 | lorenzo | |/quit out for the night. Hope to be back tomorrow. |
| 04:32.27 | lorenzo | Must have forgot the / ;-) |
| 04:32.42 | cpbell | devlatin1 isn't there. |
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| 04:32.58 | tcsetattr | is groff-base installed? |
| 04:33.11 | kmag | quad: how's the hotplug restart going? |
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| 04:33.18 | tcsetattr | maybe you should dpkg -L groff-base |
| 04:33.27 | |QuaD| | kmag: " usb |
| 04:33.27 | |QuaD| | ** can't synthesize root hub events |
| 04:33.27 | |QuaD| | " |
| 04:33.35 | cpbell | I'm reinstalling groff-base to see what happens |
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| 04:33.57 | cpbell | tcsetattr: thanks. |
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| 04:34.14 | cpbell | tcsetattr: groff-base being reinstalled fixed the problem |
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| 04:34.28 | kmag | quad: hmm... maybe you don't have the correct drivers for your usb hub? |
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| 04:35.25 | jarango | what package contains the "ip" command ? |
| 04:35.40 | peterS | jarango: iproute |
| 04:35.58 | menteco | GDM (login manager) and Gnome take their screen resolution from different configuration files. Do you know where is GDM resolution set? |
| 04:36.00 | |QuaD| | kmag: i just solved that |
| 04:36.02 | |QuaD| | might have solved more |
| 04:36.04 | |QuaD| | hold up |
| 04:36.10 | kmag | quad: I really don't know that much about usb on linux. Only enough to write some _very_ simple hacks to get the "Internet Shopping" button on my usb keyboard to work |
| 04:36.31 | jarango | peterS: thanks. Just so I don't have to ask again, how do you search which uninstall package owns which file ? |
| 04:36.55 | peterS | jarango: you can install 'apt-file' which is able to download indexes of these things and search them |
| 04:37.00 | |QuaD| | kmag: there is a really easy way to get the buttons to work once u have ur keyboard to work |
| 04:37.09 | g4lt | !ur |
| 04:37.09 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. |
| 04:37.10 | peterS | jarango: or you can sit on irc and /msg dpkg find bin/some_filename |
| 04:37.17 | g4lt | !u |
| 04:37.17 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 |
| 04:37.33 | jarango | thanks |
| 04:38.03 | |QuaD| | kmag: i only have 002 003 and devices there now |
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| 04:38.11 | |QuaD| | i needed to install usbutils |
| 04:38.58 | kmag | quad: alright... so do you see any lines in devices that look like your WiFi device? |
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| 04:39.59 | |QuaD| | no.. both say Driver=hub |
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| 04:40.05 | |QuaD| | only 2 things there now |
| 04:40.23 | kmag | quad: restart hotplug again? |
| 04:40.43 | |QuaD| | " ich2rom: can't be loaded |
| 04:40.43 | |QuaD| | missing kernel or user mode driver ich2rom |
| 04:40.43 | |QuaD| | " |
| 04:40.46 | |QuaD| | but thats in pci |
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| 04:40.51 | Manoj_ | if I am not allowed to have a holy cow I shall quit the project! |
| 04:41.04 | |QuaD| | but i get the same devices file |
| 04:41.08 | dondelelcaro | |QuaD|: please don't paste here. |
| 04:41.26 | dondelelcaro | Manoj_: If you can't have a holy cow you'll have a holy cow? |
| 04:41.35 | |QuaD| | sorry |
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| 04:42.42 | kmag | so I take it nobody else is having problems with XML syntax errors in default mozilla .xul files? |
| 04:43.40 | tjs | trying to boot a woody 3.0r2 dvd I got off the front of a mag, on a sun fire v880. Im accessing the machine from a remote serial connection, its currently running solaris. I init 0 which brings it down to PROM, where I 'boot cdrom' |
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| 04:44.09 | tjs | which gives me: Boot device: /pci@8,700000/scsi@1/disk@6,0:f File and args: |
| 04:44.09 | tjs | Bad magic number in disk label |
| 04:44.09 | tjs | Can't open disk label package |
| 04:44.09 | tjs | Evaluating: boot cdrom |
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| 04:44.33 | tjs | bah |
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| 04:45.17 | kmag | tjs: Which magazine ships with Debian-SPARC CDs? |
| 04:45.38 | sussudio | kmag: obsolete junk monthly |
| 04:46.14 | tjs | well |
| 04:46.15 | Michaelt57 | what is the best linux loader for dual booting a windows xp machine? |
| 04:46.29 | sussudio | Michaelt57: badgerbooter |
| 04:46.30 | bob2 | any, it doesn't matter |
| 04:46.35 | tjs | none, but I figured the image would boot at least, and I could do a network install |
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| 04:46.46 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 04:46.48 | bob2 | no. |
| 04:46.55 | tjs | dang |
| 04:46.55 | |QuaD| | my wireless usb card isn't showing up in my /proc/bus/usb/devices file... can someone help me out? |
| 04:46.59 | bob2 | it's a i386 cd. oddly, i386 kernels don't run on sparcs. |
| 04:47.04 | |QuaD| | i am almost there getting it working |
| 04:47.09 | Michaelt57 | sussudio where can i find it? |
| 04:47.15 | sussudio | :-| |
| 04:47.24 | tjs | how is there a generic tftp boot image then? |
| 04:47.27 | bob2 | wow, we have The Anti-troll |
| 04:47.28 | kmag | sun does make some nice machines |
| 04:47.37 | Michaelt57 | never mind, i will do a google |
| 04:47.42 | kmag | I've worked with a V1280 w/ 96 GB of RAM |
| 04:47.53 | Michaelt57 | sussudio thanks for the input |
| 04:47.56 | Charlie | :-0 |
| 04:47.58 | thoreauputic | Michaelt57: grub, lilo |
| 04:48.09 | kmag | I like GRUB |
| 04:48.14 | tjs | this is a -nice- machine, Im just clueless about sun/solaris/sparc |
| 04:48.14 | sussudio | number 5 needs inpuuuuut |
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| 04:48.23 | Supaplex | or break out an assembler, and write your own ipl |
| 04:48.36 | tjs | I'll just netboot it |
| 04:48.40 | Charlie | :-[ |
| 04:48.40 | bob2 | tjs: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:48.41 | tjs | thnks |
| 04:48.51 | tjs | devel? |
| 04:48.57 | bob2 | yes, it's the new installer |
| 04:49.00 | tcsetattr | I doubt the existence of a "generic" boot image that could work on sparc and i386 |
| 04:49.01 | kmag | GRUB drops into a command prompt when things happen that would kill LILO |
| 04:49.08 | bob2 | or www.debian.org/ports/sparc/ for the woody one |
| 04:49.22 | dondelelcaro | tjs: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-boot-tftp |
| 04:49.42 | tjs | thanks :) |
| 04:49.55 | tjs | does the new installer work for woody? or just sid? |
| 04:49.58 | Charlie | 8======================================D |
| 04:50.11 | bob2 | Charlie: do you have anything useful to say? |
| 04:50.16 | kmag | tjs: I don't suppose you've ever installed Solaris 9 and had syslog refuse to work |
| 04:50.20 | sussudio | bob2: he's from brazil |
| 04:50.23 | bob2 | tjs: woody = stable, sarge = testing, sid = unstable , sarge and sid |
| 04:50.25 | bob2 | sussudio: I know |
| 04:50.31 | nevyn | tjs: it works for sarge and sid |
| 04:50.33 | sussudio | i think that pretty much answers it |
| 04:50.36 | g4lt | Charlie that really sucks, you only have a 10" monitor? |
| 04:50.40 | tjs | kmag: ive never installed solaris |
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| 04:50.59 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: either that, or he's been larted by dpkg and had his terminal resized... |
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| 04:51.29 | asciiwhite | hello all |
| 04:51.29 | Michaelt57 | thanks again for the input |
| 04:51.33 | tjs | I need to do a total text only install though, not even curses, the serial connection setup wont handle it |
| 04:51.45 | asciiwhite | I've just upgraded debian from 2.4.x to 2.6.6 and now autofs doesnt work |
| 04:51.48 | tjs | I imagine the new installer is all gui? |
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| 04:51.53 | Erpo | Hello all. Is there a command I can use to remove packages I no longer need (e.g. libraries with no dependencies)? |
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| 04:51.56 | bob2 | no, curses |
| 04:52.00 | g4lt | !worked in 2.4 |
| 04:52.00 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 04:52.01 | bob2 | as is the woody one |
| 04:52.07 | bob2 | Erpo: debfoster |
| 04:52.18 | bob2 | Erpo: or, if you use aptitude to manage packages, it will do it for you magically |
| 04:52.19 | asciiwhite | i've reloaded it from /etc/init.d/ and it claims it starts and its shows autofs in mtab etc |
| 04:52.26 | gravity | tui |
| 04:52.42 | tjs | cant I just get text prompts? |
| 04:52.47 | bob2 | tjs: no |
| 04:52.53 | asciiwhite | any suggestions ? |
| 04:52.57 | tjs | hrmm.. |
| 04:52.58 | bob2 | asciiwhite: does your 2.6 kernel support autofs? |
| 04:53.10 | bob2 | tjs: even potato diesn't have "text prompts" |
| 04:53.15 | asciiwhite | bob2 autofs shows up in /proc/filesystems |
| 04:53.20 | tcsetattr | curses? but what if you want to install using a teletype! |
| 04:53.24 | tjs | I can hardly stick a monitor on this machine, its in a high security machine room |
| 04:53.47 | tjs | I'll try curses but Im not sure it wil work |
| 04:53.54 | bob2 | lots of people install sparcs via serial |
| 04:53.56 | gravity | !rube goldberg install |
| 04:53.56 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 04:53.58 | bob2 | why is ours special? |
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| 04:54.05 | bob2 | s/ours/yours/ |
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| 04:54.18 | tcsetattr | I don't think he understands what curses means. |
| 04:54.21 | bob2 | asciiwhite: and the changes file says nothing about it? |
| 04:54.22 | Charlie | ral frozads frob difr vaht gshorytre |
| 04:54.25 | zingzong | hey who here has squirrelmail running localing in the network |
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| 04:54.32 | tjs | Ive written curses applicaitons |
| 04:54.40 | dondelelcaro | bob2: ;-) |
| 04:54.40 | tjs | I know what curses is |
| 04:54.44 | zingzong | i can't seem to configure it - i have it pointing it to my 192.168.1.2 address in the network for local users |
| 04:54.45 | asciiwhite | bob2 sorry changes file ? |
| 04:54.49 | tjs | Ive been told by the sysadmin it wont work |
| 04:54.50 | asciiwhite | which file do you mean |
| 04:54.53 | tcsetattr | ok then... you know that all you need is a vt100, no monitor |
| 04:54.58 | zingzong | i can pull up the port 80 page |
