| 00:00.13 | ac1d | hm |
| 00:00.18 | ac1d | how would i update glibc with apt |
| 00:00.22 | T_VoiD | Erpo: if to upgrade them new packages are needed or some have to be removed, they aren't touched |
| 00:00.22 | dondelelcaro | Erpo: because they can't be upgraded without removing packages or performing other non-trivial operations. |
| 00:00.28 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: yeah, I sleep in another room, but even then if I have the door open... |
| 00:00.35 | somiaj | ac1d: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:00.46 | Erpo | Ah, thanks dondelelcaro, T_VoiD. |
| 00:01.03 | somiaj | Erpo: you'll need to dist-upgrade to upgrade them all... |
| 00:01.06 | ac1d | somiaj: 3.0 unstable |
| 00:01.10 | cafuego | toubsu: if you use proftpd and log to mysql, that jobs becomes VERY easy |
| 00:01.22 | somiaj | ac1d: 3.0 unstable...what are you talking about...3.0=woody=stable |
| 00:01.24 | cafuego | ac1d: that makes no sense. 3.0 is stable. |
| 00:01.29 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah... all the rooms here have people in them... and I haven't stuck a rack mount into the closet yet... |
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| 00:01.34 | ac1d | well |
| 00:01.38 | T_VoiD | Erpo: or you can use: apt-get install packagename1 packagename2 ... to do it |
| 00:01.43 | ac1d | hm |
| 00:01.46 | ameoba | do any of the DHCP packages actually change the hostname and /etc/hosts to reflect what the DHCP server tells the machine? |
| 00:01.52 | ac1d | how safe is it to fo apt-get dist upgrade |
| 00:01.58 | somiaj | ac1d: and if your running stable, you can't upgrade your glibc as stable is frozen....(you can get bug fixes/security patches for that version though) |
| 00:02.05 | JamesS | omg, is there no way to type in a file name in the new gnome file selector? |
| 00:02.12 | Hyp3rion | ameoba, no |
| 00:02.16 | ac1d | somiaj, my repositories are unstable |
| 00:02.21 | Hyp3rion | ameoba, not on purpose |
| 00:02.25 | FreACK | Hi, somebody knows where to start |
| 00:02.32 | cafuego | ac1d: in other words, use a properly backported package of whatever you're trying to break your system with. |
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| 00:02.36 | ac1d | i'm asking because after i upgraded ive been getting weird sync errors from any GTK program |
| 00:02.38 | Erpo | JamesS: I believe there's a key combination like ctrl-l or ctrl-f that will let you do it. |
| 00:02.39 | dondelelcaro | ameoba: if you set up your dhclient scripts appropriately, they can. |
| 00:02.39 | ameoba | Hyp3rion: that's going to make putting an image in the lab more work... *sigh* |
| 00:02.40 | Hyp3rion | FreACK, about? |
| 00:02.45 | FreACK | making a web server |
| 00:02.46 | ac1d | any way to downgrade |
| 00:02.50 | JamesS | Erpo: thanks |
| 00:02.52 | FreACK | with apache ? |
| 00:03.02 | cafuego | FreACK: apt-get install apache? |
| 00:03.08 | Hyp3rion | ameoba? |
| 00:03.09 | Erpo | JamesS: Am I correct in assuming that you are using gnome 2.6 on debian? And if so, how did you get it installed? |
| 00:03.11 | FreACK | Very funny |
| 00:03.14 | ameoba | dondelelcaro: seems like it'd be standard, default behavior... |
| 00:03.20 | FreACK | Something to read ? |
| 00:03.21 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: <heh> no closets here... would be nice though. |
| 00:03.29 | cafuego | FreACK: apache comes with docs :-) |
| 00:03.34 | JamesS | Erpo: i just apt-got it |
| 00:03.38 | dondelelcaro | ameoba: not really, because dhcp servers give sometimes give suboptimal hostnames out. |
| 00:03.43 | Hyp3rion | ameoba, the host's "hostname" is just a name. has no real significance. speaking of the one in /etc/hostname |
| 00:03.49 | T_VoiD | ac1d: there's no support for downgrade, because in some cases, (when upgrade wasn't straigthforward mainly) downgrading can leave missing files |
| 00:03.49 | Erpo | JamesS: Really? I'll have to try again then... |
| 00:03.57 | ameoba | Hyp3rion: working on a system image to debloy in some labs here |
| 00:03.58 | FreACK | OK, thank U :) |
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| 00:04.17 | dho2 | anyone know anything about project looking glass? |
| 00:04.18 | ac1d | damn |
| 00:04.18 | JamesS | but that "ctrl-l" to specify a file is very very stupid |
| 00:04.26 | dho2 | is there a demo one could download and run? |
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| 00:04.28 | dondelelcaro | ameoba: FE, a machine named al-entrprse-cuda1-c4b-18 would be kind of annoying. |
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| 00:04.35 | somiaj | ac1d: if you have the downgraded deb you can dpkg -i it, but there is no automiated way to downgrade and there can sometimes be other issues with downgrading.. |
| 00:04.37 | T_VoiD | ac1d: now if it's a single separate package not related to others, you can grab an old .deb on internet and use dpkg -i package.deb |
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| 00:04.45 | ac1d | hm |
| 00:04.45 | Blissex | dho2: there have been many projects called "looking glass". |
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| 00:04.49 | ac1d | its related though |
| 00:04.49 | mgrenon | alright i remove power management from the kernel but dmesg is still bitching about ACPI and mapping DSDT and that crap whats going on??? |
| 00:04.50 | ac1d | ok |
| 00:05.03 | T_VoiD | ac1d: don't ever try this with packages like libc6 that's when problems begin |
| 00:05.04 | Erpo | JamesS: *shrug* I guess there's a lot of controversy about changes in 2.6... the file selector, spatial nautilus, etc... |
| 00:05.09 | ac1d | on a related issue... does anyone know what the folowing errors mean |
| 00:05.11 | ac1d | Xlib: sequence lost (0x10000 > 0x40d) in reply type 0x0! |
| 00:05.11 | ac1d | Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x0)! |
| 00:05.11 | ac1d | Xlib: sequence lost (0x10000 > 0x40d) in reply type 0x1! |
| 00:05.11 | ac1d | Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x0)! |
| 00:05.13 | dho2 | Blissex, i am refering to the project looking glass by sun. the 3d desktop environment. know if its available to the public anyone? |
| 00:05.22 | dondelelcaro | ac1d: do *NOT* paste into #debian, please. |
| 00:05.23 | ac1d | thats when trying to start firefox, it will only work with --sync |
| 00:05.26 | ac1d | ah |
| 00:05.27 | ac1d | sorry |
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| 00:05.41 | Blissex | mgrenon: let it bitch. Probably you are still booting an old kernel. |
| 00:05.47 | dondelelcaro | ParrotBot: if you're a real person, and not some stupid lame bot, let me know. |
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| 00:06.02 | Blissex | dho2: IIRC you can get Sun's Looking Glass under NDA. |
| 00:06.04 | mgrenon | Blissex: no I put in the image in /boot |
| 00:06.07 | ac1d | hm, anyone know what the xlib errors mean? |
| 00:06.09 | Erpo | dho2: Don't know, but if you've got a craving for a 3d on your desktop, check out 3ddesktop (or desk3d or something like that). It's a pretty awesome 3d desktop switcher. |
| 00:06.14 | dho2 | oh lol under nda that blows |
| 00:06.23 | ameoba | dondelelcaro: I guess you have a point there, but the automounter scripts like to have the hostname correct... it's just going to be a hassle having to manually set it on each lab machine |
| 00:06.25 | mgrenon | Blissex: so grub should be booting that one since I overwrited the old image |
| 00:06.25 | Blissex | mgrenon: and run 'lilo' (if you are using LILO) |
| 00:06.27 | dho2 | erpo yeah iv seen that. |
| 00:06.42 | T_VoiD | ac1d: that your new firefox is broken? haha (no sorry I don't know) |
| 00:06.48 | dondelelcaro | ameoba: so have the scripts setup the hostname from the reverse. |
| 00:06.53 | dondelelcaro | ameoba: it's not that difficult to program... |
| 00:06.55 | dho2 | and btw 90% of the wow factor in looking glass os x does ina more refined and still good looking way. i love my os x machine |
| 00:07.13 | Blissex | dho2: but there are other 3D desktops both for Linux and for MS Windows. |
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| 00:07.21 | dho2 | hmmm |
| 00:07.26 | mgrenon | Blissex: I dont have to edit grub i just overwrited the other image |
| 00:07.30 | ac1d | T_VoiD, its not just firefox, its all GTK program (GAIM, etc) |
| 00:07.33 | T_VoiD | ac1d: so you'd want to downgrade the specific application? |
| 00:07.35 | Erpo | Blissex: Really? Names? |
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| 00:07.46 | dho2 | Blissex, have any examples. Erpo mentioned a 3d desktop switcher. any example of 3d environments? |
| 00:07.49 | ac1d | T_VoiD, actually glibc, but you answered that |
| 00:07.52 | Blissex | Erpo: For Linux 3dfm? |
| 00:08.26 | mgrenon | Blissex: watching like 400 ACPI messages on boot up makes me sick |
| 00:08.31 | Erpo | Blissex: Hmmm. I'll have to check that out. Thanks. |
| 00:08.46 | Erpo | mgrenon: hehe. Just upgraded to 2.6? |
| 00:08.47 | T_VoiD | ac1d: yea could lead to problems. (just for trying you'd have to get all the old versions (locales, libc6-dev ....) related to libc6 and dpkg -i them all at once. but if they decided to move a file around packages, it might disappear in some cases |
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| 00:09.01 | Blissex | mgrenon: most probably you did not really disable ACPI right. Which mtherboard have you got? |
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| 00:09.10 | mgrenon | Erpo: No went from 2.6.2 to 2.6.5 :) I tried 2.6.6 but i get irq errors |
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| 00:09.35 | neiljp | is anyone else getting 'machine check exception's under kernel 2.6.5/6? I've gone back to 2.4.26 to see if I get them there |
| 00:09.36 | mgrenon | Blissex: VIA KT133A gigabyte |
| 00:09.49 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, ITS NOT A problem |
| 00:10.07 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, or is it? |
| 00:10.23 | mgrenon | Hyp3rion: invalid interrupt requests is though and thats what 2.6.6 gives to me :) |
| 00:10.24 | neiljp | Hyp3rion: what? well:Kernel panic: CPU context corrupt CPU |
| 00:10.24 | neiljp | 0 |
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| 00:10.29 | mgrenon | I have to unplug my cd drive to boot |
| 00:10.39 | T_VoiD | ac1d: if i tell that that's because it did disappear when i did that once. if I hadn't have an open shell still running on box, box wouldn't have been bootable anymore hehe |
| 00:10.44 | neiljp | mgrenon: its not a boot thing, its just happened maybe three times |
| 00:10.49 | Hyp3rion | mgrenon, err. i have 2.6.6 with no errors so far :-/ |
| 00:10.53 | dondelelcaro | ameoba: FE, hostname $( host $(/sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//') |grep 'Name:'|awk '{print $2}'|sed 's/\..*$//') |
| 00:10.58 | Blissex | mgrenon: that should not give you _any_ ACPI problem. In particular because it is almost surely too old to support ACPI at all. |
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| 00:11.13 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, oh yay. thats likely to be hardware error, overheat, things... |
| 00:11.18 | mgrenon | Blissex: it has acpi options in the bios |
| 00:11.20 | Blissex | neiljp: almost surely a bad hardware problem. |
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| 00:11.27 | neiljp | Hyp3rion: well, I had nothing using 2.4.x before... |
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| 00:11.33 | mgrenon | the motherboard book also says it supports acpi |
| 00:11.39 | neiljp | and I ran a lot of memtest with nothing |
| 00:11.44 | mgrenon | with two sleep modes :) |
| 00:11.50 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, :-/ |
| 00:12.02 | Blissex | mgrenon: then perhaps it was an early bad ACPI BIOS. |
| 00:12.04 | neiljp | temp is reported as about 50C now |
| 00:12.13 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, machine check exception is a hardware exception imho. maybe 2.4 just doesnt print it |
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| 00:12.27 | neiljp | Hyp3rion: maybe |
| 00:12.52 | Screeling | Would anybody mind helping me figure out why I can't find my grub.conf file? |
| 00:13.07 | thomas_adam | Screeling: /boot/menu.lst |
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| 00:13.10 | mgrenon | Blissex: well anyways there is no option to disable it just two sleep types |
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| 00:13.27 | Hyp3rion | Screeling, /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst |
| 00:13.30 | Screeling | without exception, thomas? |
| 00:13.39 | Hyp3rion | Screeling, copy that example... |
| 00:13.45 | thomas_adam | Screeling: There's always an exception. :) |
| 00:13.49 | Kel | anyone know of a stats tool for websites to track # of downloads and stuff? |
| 00:13.52 | Screeling | heh |
| 00:13.56 | neiljp | Hyp3rion: no apparent mention of k7 exception-checking in bluesmoke.c in 2.4.18 :( |
| 00:14.14 | Justin | !+info nautilus sid |
| 00:14.18 | dpkg | nautilus: (file manager and graphical shell for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.6.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 581 kB, Installed size: 2300 kB |
| 00:14.19 | Screeling | well, hda is an entirely NTFS drive. will that file still be located in /boot ? |
| 00:14.26 | Justin | looks like they are almost done |
| 00:14.39 | neiljp | if that is the case, I suspect there'll be large numbers of people with MCE errors with 2.6.x :| |
| 00:14.46 | Screeling | which for me, /boot is on /dev/hdb1 |
| 00:14.47 | idnar | Screeling: check /boot/grub/menu.lst too... |
| 00:14.55 | Screeling | I checked that one. not there |
| 00:15.04 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, well i dont know. 2.4 known mces iirc |
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| 00:15.34 | neiljp | Hyp3rion: 'known mces', you mean, is known to have mce? with what cpus? intel? |
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| 00:15.50 | Blissex | Kel: lots and lots and lots. 'analog' comes to mind |
| 00:15.50 | Blissex | Screeling: by default it is called '/boot/grub/menu.lst' |
| 00:15.52 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, or maybe i get them but i am too lazy to notice... where they get logged? |
| 00:16.10 | neiljp | Hyp3rion: /var/log/kern.log for me |
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| 00:16.38 | Screeling | I'm a Linux newb, forgive me. would there be any kind of hidden attribute on that file, thomas? I have no other files in /boot/grub other than the stage files |
| 00:16.57 | thomas_adam | Screeling: What's your problem? |
| 00:17.04 | Screeling | well, I installed grub |
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| 00:17.10 | Screeling | and I get a Grub command prompt |
| 00:17.24 | Screeling | I can boot either OS by typing the commands, to boot each OS respectively |
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| 00:17.41 | Screeling | but I'd prefer to have a menu instead of having to manually type this stuff |
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| 00:18.05 | Justin | Screeling: how did you install grub |
| 00:18.10 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, only this, no errors... saturn kernel: Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0. |
| 00:18.11 | Kraig | till the last time i did an apt-get upgrade the right-side numbers are not working... |
| 00:18.17 | Screeling | grub-install /dev/hda |
| 00:18.33 | Justin | Screeling: how did you install grub itself |
| 00:19.15 | Screeling | I did # dpkg -i grub.deb |
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| 00:19.26 | Justin | Screeling: where did you get this "grub.deb"? |
| 00:19.32 | Screeling | off the debian CD |
| 00:19.49 | Screeling | there was more to the file name, I summarized |
| 00:19.54 | Kraig | !kb |
| 00:19.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kb is If you mean 'kB': see 'kilobyte', but see also 'binary units' for why it can mean 1,000. If you mean 'kbit': see 'kilobit', and also 'binary units'.. Killer Bunny, , or the microsoft's Knowledge Base |
| 00:19.56 | Hyp3rion | heh |
| 00:20.09 | Justin | Screeling: do you have _anything_ in /boot/grub/ ? |
| 00:20.15 | Hyp3rion | Screeling, to install programs, use apt-get install StuffHere HereToo ... |
| 00:20.36 | Hyp3rion | Screeling, to install grub, grub-install --no-floppy /dev/hda |
| 00:20.52 | Hyp3rion | Screeling, then copy the menu.lst to /boot/grub |
| 00:20.57 | Screeling | I never used the --no-floppy switch |
| 00:20.58 | neiljp | Hyp3rion: you have an intel cpu? |
| 00:21.04 | Hyp3rion | Screeling, and the hard part: edit... |
| 00:21.22 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, p3celeron2[coppermine] |
| 00:21.33 | neiljp | Hyp3rion: only machine? |
| 00:21.34 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, i815ep chipset :-/ |
| 00:21.45 | neiljp | Hyp3rion: don't ask me, I don't know intel chipsets ;) |
| 00:21.46 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, no i have a 486dx too |
| 00:21.56 | Hyp3rion | :-D |
| 00:22.19 | Screeling | does grub-install --no-floppy /dev/hda make it install with a menu.lst file? |
| 00:22.42 | Hyp3rion | Screeling, no |
| 00:22.54 | neiljp | Hyp3rion: I see the mention of 'intel machine check reporting enabled' too...not sure if intel=>i386, or intel=>k7 |
| 00:22.58 | Hyp3rion | Screeling, just locate that example menu.lst and copy |
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| 00:23.11 | Screeling | copy it to /boot ? |
| 00:23.16 | Hyp3rion | Screeling, you know notron commander? |
| 00:23.20 | Hyp3rion | norton* |
| 00:23.21 | Screeling | no |
| 00:23.24 | Hyp3rion | yay |
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| 00:23.39 | Hyp3rion | Screeling, then what did you use before linux? |
| 00:23.41 | borius | what is libglib? |
| 00:23.50 | Screeling | I used and am using XP right now |
| 00:24.05 | Screeling | I can presently boot each OS from the Grub prompt at boot |
| 00:24.11 | Screeling | at boot-up I mean |
| 00:24.19 | Screeling | I just have to type it manually |
| 00:24.25 | neiljp | hmm, it reports intel-like if it is k7... |
| 00:24.26 | borius | Screeling: im installing win2k for the first time in like 5 years... totally lost |
| 00:24.26 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, ?? intel=intel. i386 all x86 cpuz since the 386... k7 is amd's i686 variant... |
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| 00:24.59 | neiljp | Hyp3rion: yes, but intel might be only intel chips, or x86-based chips...as it happens it outputs 'intel' for k7... |
| 00:25.01 | Hyp3rion | with "3dnow" not "sse". or maybe "sse" too :-/ |
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| 00:25.14 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, strange |
| 00:25.16 | narker | when will Gnome2.6 be ready for unstable? |
| 00:25.29 | Hyp3rion | narker, the half is in... |
| 00:25.36 | Hyp3rion | narker, wait a week or so. |
| 00:25.37 | calvin | any gnome-panel-data info for the 240929 bug? |
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| 00:26.31 | Hyp3rion | >:-| |
| 00:27.19 | borius | wasn't there some guy who was pissed of at m$ and posted lots of license keys every day? |
| 00:27.37 | borius | s/of/off/ |
| 00:28.37 | GIBA | we need register our nicks |
| 00:28.39 | GIBA | cool |
| 00:29.20 | neiljp | Hyp3rion: I'm wondering what the 'bank 1' means, given it looks at bank 0 too...I only have one dimm; maybe its trying to read from a bank of memory with nothing in it! |
| 00:29.31 | Hyp3rion | borius, like GIBA? |
| 00:29.45 | borius | Hyp3rion: huh? |
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| 00:30.22 | Hyp3rion | borius, :-/ bleh. NOTHing |
| 00:30.59 | GIBA | no |
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| 00:31.21 | borius | arrghh im typing this with my debian server's crappy keyboard |
| 00:31.25 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, some rams, maybe from between 1998-2002 have tho different nabks for the two sides... |
| 00:31.35 | Hyp3rion | banks* |
| 00:31.47 | neiljp | Hyp3rion: true, but not sure how I'd tell |
| 00:31.50 | neiljp | :) |
| 00:31.55 | borius | a pal burnt win2k on a cd but conveniently forgot the license key... serves me right for trying to kill debian on one of my boxes :) |
| 00:31.57 | neiljp | Hyp3rion: memtest would show? |
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| 00:32.33 | Hyp3rion | neiljp, not suro sorry |
| 00:32.37 | Hyp3rion | yay |
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| 00:32.54 | Hyp3rion | !tell _Johnny_Parasita -about root |
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| 00:34.03 | _morbid_ | people, is it normal to an upgrade of the unstable version to gnome2.6 make some icons disapear? |
| 00:34.12 | GIBA | Hyp3rion: why am I in ban from here??? |
| 00:34.24 | Hyp3rion | are you? |
| 00:34.31 | Hyp3rion | GIBA, you can talk now :-/ |
| 00:34.43 | Hyp3rion | GIBA, you(?) have been Klined several times |
| 00:34.52 | Hyp3rion | GIBA, but it might not have been you |
| 00:34.59 | GIBA | yeah, I would like know |
| 00:35.03 | Hyp3rion | GIBA, but someone with your nick |
| 00:35.30 | GIBA | maybe |
| 00:35.46 | Hyp3rion | but how do you mean "banned"? |
| 00:35.53 | Hyp3rion | you are not banned now |
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| 00:37.38 | GIBA | I know, but with other ip I'm banned |
| 00:39.15 | nou | ban escape ? :) |
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| 00:39.42 | Hyp3rion | GIBA, well, then you should have an idea :-/ |
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| 00:40.16 | suffocate | i cannot get irssi to work |
| 00:40.31 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, DynaLoader.pm something? |
| 00:40.57 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, the perl error? |
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| 00:42.11 | udk | Hyp3rion: he knows |
| 00:42.30 | Hyp3rion | udk, i hoped so |
| 00:42.32 | udk | Hyp3rion: I am talking to him. I called his boss yesterday |
| 00:42.43 | RichiH | what's a good userspace program to throttle an amd athlon? |
| 00:42.43 | Hyp3rion | 8-o |
| 00:43.05 | GIBA | Hyp3rion: yeah, now I talking in #debian-br to know about this |
| 00:43.17 | Justin | RichiH: apt-cache search athlon | grep -v kernel- |
| 00:43.23 | udk | Hyp3rion: I think he came to the wrong network to ask for rootkits and these things |
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| 00:43.29 | Hyp3rion | GIBA, :-/ okay i am just a debian user here... |
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| 00:43.44 | Hyp3rion | udk, ROFL |
| 00:43.48 | RichiH | Justin: thanks :) |
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| 00:44.10 | runev | How can i set it in debian so that when i create new new users, they cannot cd outside their home directories? |
| 00:44.39 | udk | Hyp3rion: too bad I live in the same state as him |
| 00:44.50 | journey | are there any (beta?, or just rough packages) of the freedesktop.org xserver? |
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| 00:45.00 | neiljp | runev: well, there's got to be some use of 'chroot' in there somewhere, I'd guess |
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| 00:45.23 | Hyp3rion | udk, Brasil? |
| 00:45.33 | Hyp3rion | udk, Going to DebConf? |
| 00:46.01 | udk | Hyp3rion: nope.. too far from here |
| 00:46.02 | journey | runev: well, they you want something a little more comprehensive than that, just because they cant cd out of their home, doesn't mean they cant just access other things by path |
| 00:46.12 | udk | Hyp3rion: like... 1000 kilometers |
| 00:46.20 | journey | runev: chroot would be a possibility, but difficult if your new to it |
| 00:46.33 | runev | journey: i would guess, but i have no idea how ;) |
| 00:46.46 | scarynetworkguy | journey and in fact you have to let the access other things. life without /etc/bin would kind of suck |
| 00:47.04 | journey | runev: well, chroot involves building a directory structure just like your current root, but under a subdirectory somewhere |
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| 00:47.11 | neiljp | runev: the problem is that you don't necessarily know what programs the user might need |
| 00:47.17 | Hyp3rion | udk, oh. like 15000 from here... but why would one come here for warez?! its sure something suicide |
| 00:47.54 | journey | runev: you would essentially have a "mini-linux" install in a directory, then their shells run from that subdir, and have no knowledge of the rest of the system |
| 00:47.54 | udk | heh |
| 00:47.54 | scarynetworkguy | neiljp if it was a purpose built box like say you only wanted to give them mozilla to run some webbased app you could. |
| 00:48.03 | runev | neiljp: then if say the users are only to run an irssi screen, an eggdrop or psybnc |
| 00:48.04 | scarynetworkguy | but for a general purpose box it would suck |
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| 00:48.25 | runev | neiljp or journey: know how to set this for only one directory then, for a user already created? |
| 00:48.43 | neiljp | runev: I've not tried it :) |
| 00:48.57 | runev | neiljp: okay :) |
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| 00:49.21 | neiljp | runev: change the shell to be 'chroot {shell]', where {shell} is what was there before? maybe? no idea :) |
| 00:49.21 | journey | runev: well, you would type 'chroot "/dir/to/chroot/to"' in a shell, then load the ssh daemon(or however they log in) |
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| 00:49.32 | neiljp | well, maybe man chroot first, I've not used it ;) |
| 00:49.34 | prologic | Which do I use, ispell or aspell ? |
| 00:49.38 | suffocate | i get a perl erro!! |
| 00:49.41 | suffocate | perl error* |
| 00:49.47 | neiljp | journey: not change shell? |
| 00:49.55 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, upgrade your system. i got the same error here like 2 weeks ago, but it was solved by perl update... |
| 00:49.59 | runev | neiljp: man chroots tell you only so much |
| 00:50.01 | suffocate | Can't locate Symbol.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 9) line 9. |
| 00:50.01 | suffocate | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 9) line 9. |
| 00:50.05 | runev | journey: i'll give it a shot |
| 00:50.05 | suffocate | see look at that |
| 00:50.38 | beth | suffocate: that means you don't have the Symbol module installed |
| 00:50.40 | beth | suffocate: so install it |
| 00:50.55 | journey | neilp: you could have their shells automaticaly do a chroot when they log in (you would have to use sudo, or suid on chroot), but thats a security hole, the shell should be executed from inside the chroot |
| 00:51.01 | suffocate | how do i? |
| 00:51.08 | beth | perl -MCPAN -eshell |
| 00:51.13 | journey | neilp: oops, to runev |
| 00:51.22 | beth | if this is the first time you're running it, it will ask you some configuration questions |
| 00:51.25 | suffocate | Are you ready for manual configuration? [yes] |
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| 00:51.29 | suffocate | yes or no? |
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| 00:51.33 | beth | when you get a prompt, type 'install Symbol' |
| 00:51.37 | beth | suffocate: well, are you ready? |
| 00:51.43 | suffocate | yes lol |
| 00:51.51 | beth | just answer the questions |
| 00:51.51 | runev | journey: chroot /home/user/ as root gives me "chroot: cannot execute /bin/bash: No such file or directory" |
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| 00:52.08 | majestix | someone is using gaim from sid? mine is crashing when I use <backspace> in the chat.... it seems /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 from libgtk2.0-0_2.4.1-4_i386.deb could be buggy... If I downgrade with "dpkg -i libgtk2.0-0_2.2.4-6_i386.deb" bakspace works, but this is not a solution because no pics/icons are displayed in gaim... anyone has this also? suggestion? |
| 00:52.11 | journey | runev: thats because you have to build a fake system inside of there |
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| 00:52.22 | beth | if it asks "where is your ncftpget?", you may need to apt-get intsall ncftp. Same for anything else it asks you for and can't find. |
| 00:52.24 | Hyp3rion | :-/ |
| 00:52.29 | udk | Hyp3rion: there he goes |
| 00:52.39 | Justin | majestix: file a bug |
| 00:52.40 | Hyp3rion | udk, :-( |
| 00:52.43 | udk | Hyp3rion: and he gave me the phone number of his other boss |
| 00:52.44 | runev | journey: and in english that means? ;) |
| 00:52.44 | Hyp3rion | :-) |
| 00:52.47 | journey | runev: once you run chroot /home/user, from then on / is /home/user, so it tries to execute /bin/bash, but there is no /home/user/bin/bash |
| 00:52.55 | neiljp | journey: me? what? |
| 00:53.02 | suffocate | that doesnt want to work |
| 00:53.10 | suffocate | gzip: /root/.cpan/sources/modules/03modlist.data: not in gzip format |
| 00:53.14 | journey | neiljp: nm, i was responding to something about changing the shell(for chroot) |
| 00:53.19 | suffocate | Going to write /root/.cpan/Metadata |
| 00:53.19 | suffocate | Symbol is up to date. |
| 00:53.23 | neiljp | journey: ok |
| 00:53.29 | runev | journey: so perhaps setting symlinks within that directory will work, or? |
| 00:53.36 | majestix | Justin: okay. |
| 00:53.37 | suffocate | Can't locate Symbol.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 9) line 9. |
| 00:53.37 | suffocate | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at (eval 9) line 9. |
| 00:53.39 | suffocate | i still tget that |
| 00:53.42 | journey | runev: not symlinks, you would have to use hardlinks, but thats the hard way |
| 00:53.51 | neiljp | runev: hardlinks only, I think |
| 00:53.53 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, we still remember please dont flood |
| 00:53.53 | neiljp | heh |
| 00:53.59 | suffocate | i am not |
| 00:54.03 | suffocate | but this is URGENT |
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| 00:54.16 | scarynetworkguy | suffocate good |
| 00:54.18 | journey | runev: if you are using chroot, i might suggest installing a mini-linux distribution in a directory |
| 00:54.23 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, i say apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 00:54.32 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, it fixed it for me... |
| 00:54.40 | jake_ | installfest assistance: I've just installed debian on a former XP presario 6000. I had done pretty much everything right (as far as I can tell) until I reached the video driver selection part for X11. I didn't really know what driver to pick, so I chose vga, and it's not working. Is there a command I can use that will tell me what driver the hardware needs? A command to tell me the desirable specs for the monitor? I imagine there i |
| 00:54.40 | jake_ | sn't(or it would be used to autoconfigure all this shit), but I just thought I'd ask before opening the box and looking at each physical card. Thanks in advance. |
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| 00:54.51 | kyle_ | I'm trying to use vncserver but the server doesn't respond to any requests from anywhere. It starts up with no errors though. What could be the problem? |
| 00:54.54 | suffocate | detox:/usr/bin# irssi |
| 00:54.55 | suffocate | detox:/usr/bin# |
| 00:55.02 | suffocate | it doesnt load |
| 00:55.04 | journey | runev: something thats 10-20M or whatever, then you chroot into that directory(and from then on, for that process and its children, it appears to those programs that their filesystem is that mini-linux distribution |
| 00:55.05 | neiljp | journey: shouldn't need that much, surely |
| 00:55.06 | Alumin | kyle_: firewall? |
| 00:55.09 | runev | journey: sounds kinda hard, i've seen it done on a few free shells i've tried out.. figure it would be nice for my self, so no one steals project data i'm developing etc |
| 00:55.19 | Justin | jake_: man lspci |
| 00:55.20 | Alumin | kyle_: what does the client say when it fails? |
| 00:55.24 | Justin | !tell jake_ about set up x |
| 00:55.28 | journey | neiljp: well, thats why i suggest just decompressing a small-linux distribution, instead of building your own |
| 00:55.34 | suffocate | ?? |
| 00:55.44 | Hyp3rion | udk, yay this is sick. and you his bosses number :-/ |
| 00:55.56 | kyle_ | Alumin, don't think so...would a firewall block connections from localhost? And the client doesn't say anything, it just sits there until I assume it eventually times out. |
| 00:55.58 | neiljp | journey: oh, hang on, there's small and *small* ;) |
| 00:55.59 | journey | runev: if you want to do it with hardlinks, you have to hardlink the executables you want, and *all* the library/configuration files into every persons home directory |
| 00:56.07 | runev | journey: must be an easier way to do this :) |
| 00:56.26 | udk | Hyp3rion: let me try to call there, but 10pm, dont think I will get anything |
| 00:56.26 | Alumin | kyle_: blocking localhost is unlikely but possible...can you telnet to the port and make a connection? |
| 00:56.31 | suffocate | HELP |
| 00:56.42 | neiljp | hmmm, of course...small distros have static-linked binaries... |
| 00:57.26 | Hyp3rion | udk, dunno. here you could find all bosses on the beach all week :-/ and brasil has nice ocean coasts |
| 00:57.26 | journey | runev: the necessity of hardlinking all those things is why i thought the mini-dist would be easiest . . . although there might be scripts to automate hardlinking librarys necessary for selected executables |
| 00:57.33 | kyle_ | Alumin, nope. |
| 00:57.37 | udk | Hyp3rion: yeah |
| 00:57.38 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, did you upgrade? |
| 00:57.47 | Alumin | kyle_: ok, and you're sure the server is running? |
| 00:57.56 | Alumin | check with netstat -ltpn | grep -i vnc |
| 00:57.56 | suffocate | YES |
| 00:58.01 | journey | runev: does the mini-dist idea make sense, or no? |
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| 00:58.15 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, and do you need those autoloading scripts? |
| 00:58.27 | kyle_ | Alumin, when I telnet to a working vnc server it responds with RFB 003.003, but not with the nonworking box. Yeah, listen on port 5901 |
| 00:58.29 | runev | journey: no, it makes sense, and i could do it.. though it seems kinda 'overdoing' it :) |
| 00:58.39 | suffocate | I DON TKNOW |
| 00:58.41 | journey | runev: heh, well what is your final foal? |
| 00:58.45 | journey | s/foal/goal/ |
| 00:58.48 | Alumin | Bambi! |
| 00:59.08 | Alumin | kyle_: yeah, the RFB is what you'd expect |
| 00:59.15 | Alumin | the other one just says connection refused? |
| 00:59.16 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, move everything from .irssi/scripts/autoload to ./irssi-scripts-backup |
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| 00:59.26 | ABIG | STOP MY BAN |
| 00:59.31 | kyle_ | Alumin, no the nonworking box doesn't do anything at all |
| 00:59.42 | Hyp3rion | ABIG, you stop it for your own sake. |
| 00:59.51 | Alumin | kyle_: well, is telnet connecting to the port? |
| 00:59.52 | journey | runev: you want to have users log in(through ssh, getty, or somethin) and only be able to access a minimal ammount of files on your HD, so you but a mini-distribution with just the stuff they need, nothing else(and no access to any of your regular files) |
| 00:59.59 | runev | journey: i've seen free shell services out there (linux/bsd/hpux etc) where you cannot go outside your gome directory, however there are no bin, lib etc directories within your own home directory |
| 01:00.10 | jake_ | !tell jake_ about crack |
| 01:00.17 | suffocate | Hyp3rion: can u just help me |
| 01:00.24 | suffocate | Hyp3rion: how can i start over fully?? |
| 01:00.33 | suffocate | Hyp3rion: i screwed up the install i think |
| 01:00.35 | runev | journey: as long as they cannot access other user's home directories, i'm satisfied.. |
| 01:00.55 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, dpkg --force-all -P irssi-text |
| 01:00.57 | journey | runev: what can you access outside of the home directory though? certainly you need access to directorys like /usr/lib, /usr/bin, etc. |
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| 01:01.08 | Alumin | runev: you could group-own each home directory to the user and chmod them all 750 |
| 01:01.08 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, then delete your .irssi directory completely |
| 01:01.13 | Alumin | that doesn't even require a chroot |
| 01:01.20 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, then: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 01:01.45 | kyle_ | Alumin, it says trying <ip>..., connected to <host>, escape char... and that's it. |
| 01:01.45 | Alumin | runev: or maybe 751 if they need to use ~/public_html or something |
| 01:01.49 | runev | journey: well, that wouldn't bother be much.. but i don't want strangers (irc friends etc) accessing source code etc that i've developed (which all lies in /home/runev) |
| 01:02.00 | Alumin | kyle_: ok, so it's connecting but the server isn't responding, interesting |
| 01:02.01 | suffocate | ij |
| 01:02.02 | suffocate | ok* |
| 01:02.03 | suffocate | now i do |
| 01:02.06 | journey | runev: i guess i dont completely understand how those other services work, |
| 01:02.12 | Alumin | kyle_: any way to tell if anything is happening on the machine running the server? |
| 01:02.17 | kyle_ | Alumin, if I send the working box crap, the server kills the connection, but not so with the non working box |
| 01:02.20 | Alumin | kyle_: it might be waiting for a password |
| 01:02.21 | suffocate | Setting up irssi-text (0.8.4-3.1) ... |
| 01:02.23 | suffocate | ok, its done |
| 01:02.25 | suffocate | now what hyper |
| 01:02.26 | journey | runev: if your just worried about /home/runev, dont make you home directory readable by anyone but you(through file permissions) |
| 01:02.27 | kyle_ | Alumin, the log file doesn't change |
| 01:02.36 | Alumin | kyle_: or a confirmation click or something |
| 01:02.44 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, did you remove the .irssi dir? |
| 01:02.46 | runev | Alumin: any way to set creation mode of a directory do 750 by default |
| 01:02.48 | suffocate | yes |
| 01:03.00 | Alumin | runev: you mean like with umask? |
| 01:03.00 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, okay then just start it. but not as root! |
| 01:03.02 | kyle_ | Alumin, confirm click? |
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| 01:03.11 | suffocate | how do i start just type "irssi" |
| 01:03.12 | Alumin | kyle_: yeah, like a dialog on the server saying "accept this connection?" |
| 01:03.25 | suffocate | i am in via a SSH session, does that matter? |
| 01:03.27 | runev | journey: goes for everyone, i don't want the my user to be able to read their directories, or one friend reading another friends directory either.. what lies within /home/ |
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| 01:03.38 | runev | journey: goes for everyone, i don't want the my user to be able to read their directories, or one friend reading another friends directory either.. what lies within /home/*/ should be readable ONLY for that user |
| 01:03.38 | GIBA | My ban is because I talked for rootckit |
| 01:03.43 | GIBA | sorry |
| 01:03.44 | kyle_ | Alumin, no...the server is debian |
| 01:03.48 | runev | sorry for the spam, hit enter one time to many ;) |
| 01:03.51 | suffocate | i am in via a SSH session, does that matter? |
| 01:03.52 | suffocate | how do i start just type "irssi" |
| 01:03.53 | journey | runev: just create all the home directorys as 700, so its user only |
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| 01:04.00 | neiljp | runev: yes, setting the umask appropriately should work |
| 01:04.05 | Alumin | kyle_: ah ok...and nothing in the server's logfile eh |
| 01:04.06 | Alumin | odd |
| 01:04.12 | Hyp3rion | udk, poor GIBA :-/ doesnt worth the effort :-/ |
| 01:04.12 | kyle_ | not a thing |
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| 01:04.15 | Alumin | what vnc server software are you using? |
| 01:04.22 | runev | journey: 700, cool |
| 01:04.24 | neiljp | runev: that was how it worked on some of the big servers I had an account on at my old Uni |
| 01:04.28 | udk | Hyp3rion: I dont like kline evaders |
| 01:04.29 | journey | runev: if you use 750 then people in the same group can read it(just not write) |
| 01:04.30 | suffocate | hyper please help!!! |
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| 01:04.35 | udk | Hyp3rion: he'll get tired |
| 01:04.40 | GIBA | udk: para com isso |
| 01:04.50 | runev | neiljp: umask? i'm kinda new to this thing so ;) |
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| 01:05.01 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, yes irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n suffocate-irssi |
| 01:05.03 | runev | journey: okay, 700 would be better than as all are in the same group |
| 01:05.12 | suffocate | suffocate@detox:~$ irssi -c irc.freenode.net -n suffocate-irssi |
| 01:05.12 | suffocate | suffocate@detox:~$ |
| 01:05.19 | suffocate | no work |
| 01:05.32 | Alumin | runev: if they have something like apache user directories, then "world" is going to need to search |
| 01:05.39 | Hyp3rion | udk, :-( well deserves it |
| 01:05.40 | Alumin | so try 700, if stuff like that breaks make it 701 |
| 01:05.41 | neiljp | runev: there should be some line like 'umask 022' in your .bash_profile, assuming you're using bash |
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| 01:06.00 | suffocate | :( |
| 01:06.07 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, then irssi-text |
| 01:06.08 | neiljp | runev: so try just changing it to 0700, I think? |
| 01:06.15 | runev | Alumin: okay, i see.. thanks mate.. |
| 01:06.16 | suffocate | suffocate@detox:~$ irssi-text |
| 01:06.16 | suffocate | suffocate@detox:~$ |
| 01:06.22 | runev | neiljp: 700 works fine ;) |
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| 01:06.23 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, what? |
| 01:06.29 | suffocate | it just doesnt do anything |
| 01:06.31 | suffocate | i am SSH'd in |
| 01:06.35 | suffocate | does that matter |
| 01:06.39 | runev | neiljp: will try the umask thing now |
| 01:06.39 | Alumin | <WAR TYPE="holy" COVENANT="zsh">People still use bash? :)</WAR> |
| 01:06.42 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, do echo "LOL" |
| 01:06.57 | neiljp | Alumin: don't need no kitchen sink ;) |
| 01:07.01 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, but better do this in /MSG, okay? you flood the channel. |
| 01:07.09 | suffocate | ok lol |
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| 01:07.40 | kbdman | hello, plp |
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| 01:07.48 | kbdman | ppl |
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| 01:07.51 | sbk | Alumin: oh, ofcourse -- using shells is way passe altogether. emacs. |
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| 01:08.07 | Alumin | sbk: haha, right on :) |
| 01:08.08 | kyle_ | Xvnc 3.3.7 says the logfile, using debian unstable vncserver. Forwarding X apps over ssh works (well, except for ethereal, which is why I'm wanting to try vnc) |
| 01:08.45 | Alumin | kyle_: can you run "dpkg -l \*vnc\* | grep ^ii" and tell me which package you have installed? |
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| 01:08.59 | Alumin | kyle_: basically I'm thinking you should try running the server in the foreground with some debug options |
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| 01:09.13 | dondelelcaro | neiljp: what is your problem? |
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| 01:09.26 | neiljp | dondelelcaro: with what? :) |
| 01:09.30 | viqas | i booted up mepis linux (yeah yeah yeah i know not debian) anywho, one of the 2.4.25 kernels work with my system, is there a way i can get that kernel and use it to boot my current linux setup? |
| 01:09.41 | kyle_ | Alumin, vnc-commen and vncserver 3.3.7-1 |
| 01:09.43 | neiljp | dondelelcaro: mce? |
| 01:09.44 | Alumin | kyle_: I'll be back in a second, percolate on the debug thing for a bit :) |
| 01:09.45 | Trivia | ello peeps, not directly debian related but does anyone know how to get an irc server's channel list into txt format automariically so it can b paresed with php or somethin, cgi::irc is the only way i can think of? |
| 01:09.51 | dondelelcaro | neiljp: with emacs, apparently... or is this some sort of emacs bashing going on? |
| 01:09.57 | Alumin | ok thanks...try the manpage, look for debug/foreground command-line options |
| 01:10.11 | neiljp | dondelelcaro: well Alumin wanted a shell flame war...;) |
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| 01:10.20 | dondelelcaro | Trivia: turn on your log, and run /list -yes. |
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| 01:10.35 | neiljp | dondelelcaro: don't suppose you know about memory banks in k7? :) |
| 01:10.40 | dondelelcaro | Trivia: any IRC client or irc connection system can do it trivially. |
| 01:11.01 | peterS | neiljp: what has emacs to do with memory banks, other than the fact that it needs a lot of them? |
| 01:11.05 | dondelelcaro | neiljp: well, there's not much special about them... what exactly is the problem? |
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| 01:11.35 | neiljp | peterS: wasn't sure what dondelelcaro was asking about originally...I have problems with mce's under 2.6.6, but not 2.4.x |
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| 01:12.01 | dondelelcaro | neiljp: I was just commenting on your 18:08:58 * neiljp mutters under his breath about emacs |
| 01:12.02 | tony | if I use kermit to dial a modem, how do I get this box to play audio into the phone line? |
| 01:12.03 | peterS | neiljp: have you got CONFIG_X86_MCE enabled in your 2.4 kernel? |
| 01:12.04 | Trivia | dondelelcaro: its so i can create a dynamic html drop down menu of channels, so id rather not have a client running in that sense |
| 01:12.04 | neiljp | dondelelcaro: I'm looking for any way of knowing how many I have; I have one dimm |
| 01:12.13 | peterS | neiljp: if you compiled it yourself, you may or may not. the Debian kernels do. |
| 01:12.15 | neiljp | dondelelcaro: I realised that, subsequently :) |
| 01:12.49 | dondelelcaro | Trivia: well, you'll almost certainly not want to run that script every time the website is viewed. |
| 01:12.54 | neiljp | peterS: it was a std debian kernel, I haven't had any for all the time I've had debian on this machine, which is quite a long time now (2002?) |
| 01:13.13 | macpato | the numbers pad on my keyboard doesn't work, already did 'dpkg-reconfigure console-data' and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, any ideas? |
| 01:13.14 | peterS | neiljp: ah, so CONFIG_X86_MCE is defined on your 2.4 kernel, but you're not getting any MCE's |
| 01:13.17 | dondelelcaro | Trivia: but regardless, it's rather trivial to do using perl, C, or shell+irc client. |
| 01:13.20 | neiljp | peterS: but I've a k7, and not sure k7 has mce supported under 2.4.x, whereas its definitely in 2.6 |
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| 01:13.39 | peterS | neiljp: 2.4.26 certainly supports K7 MCE |
| 01:13.41 | Trivia | dondelelcaro: ah well thats true, could bitchx be put on cron and then ran with some weird n wonderfull command line options |
| 01:13.46 | peterS | neiljp: not sure which 2.4 you're on |
| 01:13.55 | dondelelcaro | Trivia: bitchx is absolute garbage. |
| 01:13.59 | Hyp3rion | i mean. yay... |
| 01:14.15 | Trivia | dondelelcaro: hey its all i could think of for non graphical |
| 01:14.17 | neiljp | peterS: oh, I was looking in bluesmoke.c...admittedly that was 2.4.18, the src version I was running before 2.4.26 |
| 01:14.21 | Trivia | i dont have X or anything of the kind |
| 01:14.23 | dondelelcaro | Trivia: you're better off just writing a short perl script that uses Net::IRC. You could rather easily do it in under 50 lines. |
| 01:14.27 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: g4lt-away would disagree there. :) |
| 01:14.57 | neiljp | peterS: I will wait for some MCEs with this kernel then - I was shocked to suddenly get some MCEs with 2.6.6 when I'd had no (obvious) problems with 2.4.x |
| 01:15.00 | Trivia | dondelelcaro: ah thats what i meant, not CGI::IRC, Net:: :o) |
| 01:15.14 | peterS | neiljp: yeah. could be something about how interrupt routing is set up, or something like that |
| 01:15.33 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: true... I mean, there are worse irc clients than BitchX... but in comparison to irssi, it's so horrible that it's not even worth thinking about... |
| 01:15.38 | peterS | neiljp: although MCE is a hardware problem, there *are* possibly software things different kernels could do differently to trigger them |
| 01:15.41 | neiljp | peterS: its not an interrupt one, i think, 'corrupt cpu context' or something like that |
| 01:16.27 | vladkao | dondelelcaro: but i need a proof. can you think of something? :) (about bx not being an irc client) |
| 01:16.31 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*. but then again, people continue to use csh... |
| 01:16.44 | neiljp | peterS: reason I was wondering about memory banks, is that the error is in memory bank 1, and it loops from 0 (maybe?), but I only have one dimm, so wondered whether it was probing an empty slot by mistake...looking for any other reason it might be going wrong than hardware ;) |
| 01:17.01 | peterS | neiljp: that's a good question |
| 01:17.12 | peterS | neiljp: I wonder why a corrupt CPU context would have anything to do with *any* memory banks |
| 01:17.14 | dondelelcaro | vladkao: it is an irc client... it's just not a very good one... |
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| 01:17.26 | dondelelcaro | vladkao: it's to irc what telnet is to http. |
| 01:17.35 | neiljp | peterS: don't know enough about mce's to asnwer that ;) |
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| 01:18.05 | peterS | neiljp: fortunately for me (in that I've never had problems with MCEs), I don't either |
| 01:18.10 | neiljp | peterS: I tried the 'parsemce' program, but although it made lots of technical words, it didn't exactly say 'this is the problem' |
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| 01:18.49 | peterS | neiljp: well, if you knew to look in the bluesmoke.c file, you're already ahead of most people who ask stuff on #debian (: |
| 01:18.58 | neiljp | peterS: if I get nothing on this kernel for a week or so, then I'll probably report a bug under kernel-image-2.6.6-1-k7 |
| 01:19.08 | neiljp | peterS: Its called google ;) |
| 01:19.12 | peterS | ahh |
| 01:19.14 | peterS | well, sounds like a plan |
| 01:19.15 | dasunt | Not trying to insight a holywar, but can anyone suggest a good DVD player under testing? |
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| 01:19.32 | dasunt | Never have played DVDs under linux, so I'm not familiar with the software. |
| 01:19.33 | peterS | dasunt: totem works pretty well overall |
| 01:19.35 | neiljp | peterS: and grep... |
| 01:19.35 | neiljp | ;) |
| 01:19.44 | zignig | dasunt: mplayer , ogle |
| 01:19.46 | peterS | dasunt: I did have to fetch libdvdcss from somewhere |
| 01:19.52 | peterS | zignig: mplayer isn't in testing |
| 01:19.56 | K-Ric1 | so what's with gnome? opening new windows on folder clicks and no side/tool bars? |
| 01:19.57 | neiljp | totem? |
| 01:20.10 | peterS | neiljp: media player. plays DVDs fine, if libdvdcss exists |
| 01:20.16 | dasunt | libdvdcss |
| 01:20.37 | zignig | peterS: oops :) |
| 01:20.52 | zignig | peterS: i mean BLEH ! |
| 01:20.53 | neiljp | peterS: I was responding to dasunt; I've not tried it yet - presumably you don't need the lib if they're unencoded ones |
| 01:21.08 | peterS | neiljp: correct |
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| 01:21.39 | Bill | anybody know how to enable load balancing on a dual processor machine? |
| 01:21.52 | Hyp3rion | beth, sorry again, what was the solution for this for suffocate> Can't locate Symbol.pm |
| 01:22.05 | beth | install it |
| 01:22.26 | thomas_adam | Hyp3rion: Install it -- it'll get added to perl's internal path. |
| 01:22.27 | Hyp3rion | perl -PEAR |
| 01:22.38 | beth | if Symbol.pm is not in @INC, that's like a program not being in your PATH |
| 01:22.38 | Bill | beth you talking to me? |
| 01:22.49 | beth | Bill: heh, no, sorry |
| 01:22.50 | peterS | hmm, Symbol is in perl-base |
| 01:22.56 | Bill | both no no problem my fault |
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| 01:23.12 | neiljp | peterS: yes, there is a mention of k7 in the i386 bluesmoke for 2.4.26...lxr is useful :) |
| 01:23.14 | Bill | anybody know a lot about dual processor machines? |
| 01:23.17 | peterS | not locating Symbol.pm would be a pretty serious installation problem |
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| 01:23.27 | beth | apt-get install --reinstall perl ? |
| 01:23.38 | Hyp3rion | suffocate, ^^^ |
| 01:23.38 | peterS | neiljp: bah lxr. just keep a bunch of local kernel trees around (: |
| 01:23.52 | Hyp3rion | peterS, beth, thomas_adam, okay thanks. |
| 01:23.54 | neiljp | peterS: I would, if I had adsl... ;) |
| 01:24.09 | dasunt | Bill: What are you trying to do? |
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| 01:24.36 | dondelelcaro | Bill: it's done automagically by the kernel. |
| 01:24.43 | asg | !kick local power company |
| 01:25.08 | peterS | dondelelcaro: that's what I told him - in his case, he reports that 'top' doesn't show this happening |
| 01:25.11 | Bill | dasunt hi I have a gameing servers on my dual xeon 2.4 machine. I have a smp kernel. but when I have multiple servers running on the server it only works on 1 cpu. .it swiches cpu but it never evens out the load. |
| 01:25.15 | Bill | it works on my dual p3 though. |
| 01:25.20 | peterS | dondelelcaro: he says he's got multiple processes that want CPU and they're all getting the same CPU |
| 01:25.45 | dasunt | Bill: What game? |
| 01:25.53 | dondelelcaro | Bill: that's because a single process can only use a single cpu at one time. |
| 01:26.04 | Bill | dondelelcaro I thought so to :0( but its not working ... I have multiple processes so it doesnt matter that its not dual cpu suported. |
| 01:26.08 | dondelelcaro | Bill: if the server isn't multithreaded, it can't do that. |
| 01:26.12 | Bill | :0) answered above |
| 01:26.16 | dasunt | Sounds like (to me) that the linux server isn't written with dual CPUs in mind. |
| 01:26.24 | dondelelcaro | Bill: paste the relevant output from top. |
| 01:26.30 | Bill | ? |
| 01:26.41 | dondelelcaro | Bill: run top, and paste the relevant output from top into #flood. |
| 01:26.41 | dasunt | To #flood |
| 01:26.47 | sparr | why would ld complain about not being able to find '-lGL' when I have /usr/lib/libGL.so ? |
| 01:26.53 | Bill | It works on my dual p3 if I have 4 servers running each using 5% of cpu both cpus will have a load of 10% on each |
| 01:26.57 | asg | s/#flood/the bat cave/ |
| 01:27.04 | Bill | oh ok let me get into flood |
| 01:27.09 | peterS | sparr: do you have libGL.so, or just libGL.so.N ? |
| 01:27.34 | dasunt | What OS is your dual P3 running? |
| 01:27.35 | peterS | Bill: if you're only using 20% of one CPU, why are you even worried about load balancing? |
| 01:27.44 | sparr | peterS: both |
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| 01:28.10 | Bill | peterS just becuase I will have more servers on it later.. trust me I will have it always at about 80% on both cpus |
| 01:28.20 | Bill | dondelecaro does that work ? or did u need something else? |
| 01:28.26 | thomas_adam | !give me coffee |
| 01:28.33 | dondelelcaro | Bill: those processes are in sleep. |
| 01:28.33 | thomas_adam | bastard bot |
| 01:28.54 | peterS | Bill: you're not making a proper test now, though. you don't know if the kernel would load-balance processes if it felt the actual need to do so. |
| 01:29.12 | thomas_adam | aww |
| 01:29.15 | thomas_adam | Thanks. :) |
| 01:29.17 | peterS | Bill: as it is, there is no need to do so, so it might just be lazy about it |
| 01:29.25 | Bill | ...waht?!? |
| 01:29.27 | Bill | its at 91% |
| 01:29.33 | Bill | thats no being lazy |
| 01:29.33 | thomas_adam | heh |
| 01:29.39 | thomas_adam | whatever rocks your tipple. |
| 01:29.43 | peterS | yes, and 91% is 9% away from even using one whole CPU |
| 01:29.50 | asg | thomas_adam: power's been on and off all night, just checking connectivity |
| 01:30.21 | Bill | dondelelcaro .. how do I know they r asleep and how do I wake em up for ever? |
| 01:30.21 | thomas_adam | asg: ah, American efficiency. |
| 01:30.21 | Bill | peterS glad u went 2 school |
| 01:30.21 | peterS | 91% means that, on average, less than 1 process is wanting CPU time |
| 01:30.29 | Bill | ok but on my p3 system. . it spreads them out ALL the time and I want that |
| 01:30.31 | Bill | how do I get it? |
| 01:30.32 | asg | thomas_adam: oh, they are efficient at getting it working, just not telling me if it will continue working :) |
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| 01:30.34 | Bill | or do u not know? |
| 01:30.42 | peterS | !u |
| 01:30.42 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 |
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| 01:31.08 | Bill | sorry i got excited |
| 01:31.20 | peterS | Bill: that's a detail of your kernel scheduler, which depends on your kernel version. |
| 01:31.27 | peterS | Bill: are you using the same kernel on both machines? |
| 01:31.37 | Hyp3rion | Bill, S or R nrea the processes' name. |
| 01:31.39 | Bill | Linux Xeon 2.4.26-1-686-smp #1 SMP |
| 01:31.41 | Hyp3rion | near* |
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| 01:31.56 | jake_ | installfest problem: trying to set the monitor to use vga, and it won't run. I've gone in with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and it loks like the problem I still have is in picking the right PCI configuration. PCI:xx:xx:xx is the forwat, where xx are decimals indicating bus, function, and .. something else. Anyway, you supposedly can find these numbers in decimal using lspci, even though I haven't been able to, and scanpci isn' |
| 01:31.56 | jake_ | t working either |
| 01:31.56 | Bill | peterS the dual p3 is using 2.6 |
| 01:32.04 | jake_ | what do i do |
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| 01:32.18 | peterS | Bill: well, you're using two different kernels, and there has been significant work on the CPU scheduler between those two versions |
| 01:32.20 | dondelelcaro | jake_: paste the output from lspci into #flood |
| 01:32.22 | mrhankey | anyone: I installed kde by apt-get install. I am running version 2.2. Anyone know an easy way to upgrade to a better version? |
| 01:32.25 | peterS | Bill: I'm frankly not surprised they behave differently |
| 01:32.33 | Hyp3rion | Bill, 100% sure HT is off? |
| 01:32.34 | Bill | so I gata get 2.6 working ? I tried for about .. a week on it doing about I tihnk it was 72 reinstalls and couldnt get it working. |
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| 01:32.41 | peterS | Bill: the question is whether 2.4.26 efficiently manages the case where more than 1 process wants CPU access at the same time |
| 01:32.46 | Bill | YEAH IN BIOs its off hyper |
| 01:32.49 | peterS | Bill: but you haven't really tested that yet, have you? |
| 01:33.01 | Bill | peterS ? |
| 01:33.03 | Bill | tested what? |
| 01:33.19 | peterS | Bill: you said it yourself. your load is at 91%. that means that, on average, less than 1 process wants the CPU at any given time. |
| 01:33.26 | somiaj | jake_: I belive the driver you want is 'vesa' and it shouldn't need a BusID to work correctly. |
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| 01:33.33 | Hyp3rion | PERL forkbomb!!! |
| 01:33.33 | peterS | Bill: you haven't really tested the case where more than 1 process wants the CPU at a time, for any length of time. |
| 01:33.44 | Bill | WHAT?! |
| 01:33.55 | dondelelcaro | Bill: here, if you really want to test it, run two instances of the following: perl -e 'for (0..1000000000){$a+=1;}' & |
| 01:33.56 | Bill | I have been doing this for about 3 days now |
| 01:33.58 | peterS | Bill: as such, the fact that 2.4.26 is keeping everything on a single CPU isn't a problem for you, and you haven't tested a case where it *would* be a problem. |
| 01:34.05 | ameoba | Fighting with NFS in testing, using a 2.6 kernel. Every time I mount something I get a " kernel: nfs warning: mount version older than kernel". I can mount & read filesystems but I'm unable to write anything to them (and I should). Are these 2 problems related? |
| 01:34.21 | scarynetworkguy | bill good stragty there some guy hanging out on IRC wants to help you yelling at him is a *smart* idea |
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| 01:34.23 | peterS | dondelelcaro: sounds like an out-of-memory waiting to happen |
| 01:34.33 | Bill | peterS ok so u dont know a answer to this? is this why you are giving me the walk around? |
| 01:34.38 | peterS | dondelelcaro: perl *does* still expand 0..1000000000 ahead of time, right? |
| 01:34.40 | dondelelcaro | peterS: nah, there's only two scalars there... |
| 01:34.43 | Bill | not yelling.. |
| 01:34.45 | nono | what are the SMTP/POP mail server solution available in debian? what's your advices? |
| 01:34.48 | dondelelcaro | peterS: nope. It hasn't done that for a long time... |
| 01:34.55 | peterS | Bill: I'm telling you that you are not testing a problem case. so you have no idea if there is even a problem |
| 01:34.55 | scarynetworkguy | bill yes yes you did |
| 01:34.58 | asg | Laissez-vous tomber le slip monsieur William, je ne peux pas attendre jusqu'à l'heure du déjeuner |
| 01:35.03 | asg | oops |
| 01:35.05 | dasunt | nono: Exim + Courier |
| 01:35.07 | peterS | Bill: as such, it's stupid to talk about how to "solve" a problem you don't even know if you have |
| 01:35.09 | Bill | scarynetworkguy ok I will give him a tissue if he starts to cry. |
| 01:35.25 | Bill | peterS yes the servers LAG if the cpu hits over 85% |
| 01:35.27 | Bill | I have a problem |
| 01:35.31 | Bill | I need to split the loads. |
| 01:35.42 | dasunt | asg: Luckily, most of us are Americans, so we can't understand any word that isn't English. ;) |
| 01:35.45 | sparr | where am I supposed to get libGL.so from? in general, is it a distro package, or part of the video drivers, or what? |
| 01:35.50 | scarynetworkguy | bill how do you know they are not being split? |
| 01:35.58 | peterS | Bill: you already know how to change to a different scheduler. you have already seen that the 2.6 scheduler works somewhat differently |
| 01:36.03 | dasunt | Bill: The P3 -- is it also linux? |
| 01:36.05 | dondelelcaro | !tell sparr about search |
| 01:36.08 | dondelelcaro | !find libGL.so |
| 01:36.11 | Bill | scarynetworkguy becuase they are all on one cpu. |
| 01:36.13 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libGL.so' (5 shown; 8 total): (/var/lib/lsbdev/stub_libs/libGL.so) in devel/lsbdev ;; (/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so) in libdevel/xlibmesa-gl-dev ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.4.500) in libs/mesag3,libs/mesag3-glide2,libs/mesag3+ggi ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.0.5336, /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.1.0.5336) in non-free/x11/nvidia-glx ;; (/usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2, /usr/X11R6/lib/{libGL.so.1|libGL.so.1.2}) in libs/xlibmesa-gl. |
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| 01:36.19 | peterS | Bill: anyway, the 2.6 kernel has something else: a finer-grained HZ value, by default. that would make a difference in latency as well |
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| 01:36.22 | Bill | dasunt yes |
| 01:36.30 | scarynetworkguy | bill is that cpu overloaded? |
| 01:36.30 | asg | dasunt: I was playing with a translation site. It's supposed to say 'drop you panties sir william, I cannot wait till lunchtime.' I cannot verify, however, that that is indeed what it says |
| 01:36.33 | dondelelcaro | sparr: and as you can see, libGL.so is in xlibmesa-gl |
| 01:36.45 | Bill | scarynetwrokguy evidently since the servers are lagging. |
| 01:37.09 | somiaj | asg: translation sights are fun to take song lyrics and translate them though a few laguanegs and back to english...(: |
| 01:37.27 | asg | somiaj: yes, a favorite pastime for many. |
| 01:37.28 | peterS | Bill: it could well be other factors that cause the server to lag. like not having enough memory bandwidth. in that case, shifting to a second CPU may or may not make any difference. |
| 01:37.39 | Bill | I have 3200 ram in it |
| 01:37.41 | Hyp3rion | Bill, crap single-threaded servers... your bottlenech is not the CPU. |
| 01:37.50 | scarynetworkguy | bill what does top say? |
| 01:37.57 | Bill | top say about what? |
| 01:38.00 | Bill | its in flood |
| 01:38.19 | Bill | I got 2 gig of DDR 3200 I dont think thats a problem |
| 01:38.28 | opp | can i register for a yahoo messenger or msn account using linux? or must they be register in windows? |
| 01:38.31 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I think you're in for a long wait. he's already convinced he knows exactly what his problem is |
| 01:38.43 | peterS | dondelelcaro: so proving him right or wrong is not really what he's interested in |
| 01:38.49 | dondelelcaro | Bill: if you run two of those instances of perl like I suggested, we'll be able to see if its your kernel, or these "servers" |
| 01:39.00 | sparr | ok, i need libGLso.1.2 , and apt-file says its in xlibmesa-gl, but ive installed xlibmesa-gl and i still dont have it. i have a broken link pointing at it, but i dont actually have the file |
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| 01:39.24 | scarynetworkguy | sparr what vid card? |
| 01:39.26 | dondelelcaro | Bill: you can already see sample output on a dual xeon running 2.6.6 and a dual celeron running 2.4.26. |
| 01:39.27 | Bill | ok I gata go but I will brb in 30 mins |
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| 01:39.33 | peterS | dondelelcaro: anyway, I know in some versions of perl, expressing (0..1000000000) creates a temporary Array Of Unusual Size |
| 01:39.36 | dondelelcaro | oi vai. |
| 01:39.40 | peterS | dondelelcaro: this may have been fixed in more recent perls |
| 01:39.41 | Bill | dont think u can do dual celeron |
| 01:39.46 | sparr | scarynetworkguy: nvidia |
| 01:39.51 | sparr | dondelelcaro: any further hints? |
| 01:40.06 | asg | peterS: is it actually defined as 'a temporary Array of Unusual Size' ? |
| 01:40.14 | CompWizd | Bill: ancient celerons could |
| 01:40.15 | scarynetworkguy | sparr what makes you think you need xlibmesa-gl? |
| 01:40.16 | Bill | I will be back in 30 mins sorry |
| 01:40.17 | dasunt | You can do dual celeries. |
| 01:40.18 | peterS | asg: that's my term, borrowed from Goldman |
| 01:40.32 | sparr | scarynetworkguy: because thats the package apt-file says contins the file i need |
| 01:40.38 | asg | peterS: ah |
| 01:40.41 | dasunt | Back in the day, the Celeron 333mhz's were notorious for being (1) overclockable to 500mhz and (2) dual-cpu capable. |
| 01:40.46 | beth | mmm perl |
| 01:40.49 | CompWizd | i havea a dual 433 file server at work |
| 01:40.50 | Hyp3rion | Bill, run this and see how all your cpus are used: python <(echo -e 'import thread\nf():\n while True:\n pass\nwhile True:\n thread.start_new_thread(f, ())') |
| 01:40.52 | dondelelcaro | Bill: uh... sure they can. BP6 mobos are quite impressive. |
| 01:40.53 | peterS | asg: I'm just saying, it creates a pretty huge list, and thus this was not considered a good way to create loops with a lot of iterations |
| 01:40.54 | asg | beth: like butttah |
| 01:40.56 | CompWizd | on an abit bp6 :/ |
| 01:40.57 | dasunt | What was the board for that? Abit BP6? BH6? |
| 01:41.08 | scarynetworkguy | sparr I forgot so did you install it? |
| 01:41.10 | CompWizd | bh6 was a single, along with its replacement the bx6 2.0 |
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| 01:41.18 | asg | peterS: oh, I know, I just thought that that was a peculiarly wonderful language construct :) |
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| 01:41.20 | sparr | scarynetworkguy: it was already installed, i updated it |
| 01:41.23 | CompWizd | a bh6 was nice, it could run a 1 ghz celeron with the right adapter |
| 01:41.23 | dondelelcaro | dasunt: it's the BP6. |
| 01:41.31 | peterS | asg: nope, just me (: |
| 01:41.34 | scarynetworkguy | sparr so what are the problems you are seeing? |
| 01:41.36 | dasunt | CompWizd: I knew it was a B?6 ;) |
| 01:41.38 | dondelelcaro | dasunt: in this lab, there's a bh6 right next to a bp6. |
| 01:41.47 | CompWizd | it takes a bit of work to get a bp6 stable |
| 01:41.48 | asg | peterS: either way ... nice :) |
| 01:41.56 | CompWizd | but once you get a fan on the chipset, thye're not bad |
| 01:42.02 | peterS | CompWizd: ah, the notorious BP6. I think while those were popular, the linux-kernel list got more traffic about BP6 hardware problems than about anything else |
| 01:42.06 | dondelelcaro | CompWizd: not really, actually... assuming you're running a recent bios, and not overclocking the things... |
| 01:42.07 | CompWizd | i've seen 100+ day uptimes on nt 4.0 enterprise without much problem |
| 01:42.20 | ameoba | I've got a BP6 sitting on a shelf somewhere with no CPUs.. some guy traded me it for a cigarette |
| 01:42.20 | asg | scarynetworkguy: you'll never get your refund you know |
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| 01:42.25 | CompWizd | before i put the fan on the chipset, 7 day uptimes were great :P |
| 01:42.28 | sparr | scarynetworkguy: i have a link from /usr/lib/libGL.so to /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 , but I dont actually have the file libGL.so.1.2 (same problem in /usr/X11R6/lib/ too) |
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| 01:42.43 | dondelelcaro | sparr: that's because you don't have xlibmesa-gl installed. |
| 01:42.48 | dondelelcaro | sparr: check your scrollback. |
| 01:42.55 | dasunt | I bet a BP6 was the type of board that the marginally-clued wanted. |
| 01:43.03 | dasunt | "Overclockable dual celerons!" |
| 01:43.04 | scarynetworkguy | sparr lets think just a bit higher level for a moment what do you want to do that you can't |
| 01:43.08 | peterS | dasunt: yep. "oooh, cheap SMP" |
| 01:43.19 | sparr | scarynetworkguy: compile GL apps |
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| 01:43.28 | scarynetworkguy | asg damnit. I wanted Debian to give me back my money |
| 01:43.29 | sparr | dondelelcaro: i just updated it, it already being installed |
| 01:43.41 | scarynetworkguy | sparr in that case I'm not your guy sorry |
| 01:43.42 | dondelelcaro | sparr: yeah, you might have to --reinstall it. |
| 01:43.48 | ameoba | can you still do the pencil trick to convert athlon XPs to MPs? |
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| 01:43.51 | asg | scarynetworkguy: hehe |
| 01:44.08 | scarynetworkguy | asg I think Bill should call and complain about us |
| 01:44.11 | asg | ameoba: depends on how gullible purchasing is |
| 01:44.11 | dasunt | The BP6 board was probably a good board (ABIT has a decent track record). The BP6 board buyers, OTOH... |
| 01:44.28 | peterS | dasunt: well, the BP6 was not without its issues |
| 01:44.29 | asg | scarynetworkguy: hey, I consider xbill a tribute! :) |
| 01:44.39 | CompWizd | www.bp6.com is still active, last i looked |
| 01:44.45 | peterS | dasunt: as I said, there were BP6-related hardware problems reported every day on linux-kernel for awhile there |
| 01:44.47 | asg | scarynetworkguy: the hair never looked better |
| 01:45.00 | peterS | dasunt: it's been too long, I forget the nature of most of these problems |
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| 01:45.11 | dasunt | peterS: Cheap memory and overclocked celeries? ;) |
| 01:45.14 | peterS | dasunt: might have been related to the via82c586 IDE, or something |
| 01:45.15 | n00n3r | i had two bp6 |
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| 01:45.30 | sparr | dondelelcaro: still didnt help |
| 01:45.36 | CompWizd | bp6 was an intel chipset, thankfully |
| 01:45.36 | sparr | scarynetworkguy: thanks anyways |
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| 01:45.39 | n00n3r | sold one and ran one for 4 years. the caps finally swelled and the board died |
| 01:45.42 | CompWizd | i'd hate to see how badly via could have screwed that up :) |
| 01:45.45 | Hyp3rion | CompWizd, wow not bad design at bp6.com... but what's bp6? |
| 01:45.47 | peterS | dasunt: (I'm guessing on the IDE chip - I think it was an 82c586 but I never owned one of those boards so I could be mistaken) |
| 01:46.01 | Hyp3rion | CompWizd, intel chipset o i c |
| 01:46.04 | Hyp3rion | sorry |
| 01:46.13 | CompWizd | it was a bx chipset, with the ich2 or whatever was with a bx chipset |
| 01:46.15 | CompWizd | (for the bp6) |
| 01:46.18 | dasunt | Only 4 years? |
| 01:46.21 | dondelelcaro | sparr: wait, you went apt-get --reinstall install xlibmesa-gl? and it still didn't install it? |
| 01:46.22 | dasunt | Bah. |
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| 01:46.30 | dasunt | I have Pentium boards that have lasted longer. |
| 01:46.32 | CompWizd | our fileserver has been up for 5 years now |
| 01:46.32 | dondelelcaro | sparr: what does dpkg -S libGL.so.1 return? |
| 01:46.33 | peterS | CompWizd: the BX was PIIX4, right? |
| 01:46.42 | CompWizd | peterS: actually, that sounds about right |
| 01:46.42 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yes. |
| 01:46.43 | CompWizd | ultra/33 |
| 01:46.49 | peterS | yeah |
| 01:46.53 | CompWizd | our fileserver has a promise ultra/66 board in it. |
| 01:46.54 | dondelelcaro | peterS: 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03) |
| 01:46.55 | n00n3r | dasunt: yea the cap's where to close to heat sinks. |
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| 01:46.59 | CompWizd | can't get much more dangerous hardware :P |
| 01:47.07 | peterS | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 01:47.10 | asg | CompWizd: security > uptime |
| 01:47.22 | thomas_adam | asg: http://linuxmafia.com/~n6tadam/screenshot.png |
| 01:47.29 | thomas_adam | asg: That's my fvwm 'desktop' |
| 01:47.30 | CompWizd | asg: stability of main server > * |
| 01:47.34 | sparr | dondelelcaro: lots of stuff. maybe 15 'diversion ...' lines, and some references to nvidia-glx and xlibmesa-gl |
| 01:47.54 | scarynetworkguy | does liking Alanis Morissette make me a bad person? |
| 01:47.59 | CompWizd | scarynetworkguy: yes. |
| 01:48.14 | scarynetworkguy | CompWizd cool just wanted to confirm that :) |
| 01:48.17 | peterS | thomas_adam: omg, still using xmcd? |
| 01:48.26 | thomas_adam | peterS: I LOVE motif! |
| 01:48.31 | thomas_adam | !hug motif |
| 01:48.34 | peterS | thomas_adam: sicko |
| 01:48.39 | thomas_adam | hehehe |
| 01:48.43 | asg | CompWizd: if you say so :) |
| 01:48.58 | thomas_adam | peterS: I compiled moxfm (motif xfm0 -- it had that wonderful blueness to it. :) |
| 01:49.00 | dondelelcaro | sparr: oh. You'e got nvidia-glx installed? heh. you might have to reinstall that one. |
| 01:49.03 | asg | thomas_adam: that's very much you |
| 01:49.09 | thomas_adam | asg: heh |
| 01:49.11 | asg | scarynetworkguy: in the dirt |
| 01:49.16 | peterS | thomas_adam: oooh, the blue motif theme |
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| 01:49.19 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: mud whores. |
| 01:49.20 | scarynetworkguy | asg that would be where |
| 01:49.20 | peterS | thomas_adam: I hated that blue |
| 01:49.30 | asg | scarynetworkguy: under their feet |
| 01:49.31 | thomas_adam | peterS: I just am a slave to motif. |
| 01:49.34 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam that would be so fucking cool |
| 01:49.36 | Hyp3rion | thomas_adam, motif? ever used amiga4? |
| 01:49.43 | thomas_adam | Hyp3rion: Hell, no. |
| 01:49.48 | asg | peterS: the standard blue is teh r0x0r |
| 01:49.51 | Hyp3rion | thomas_adam, amiga4 is better! |
| 01:49.56 | peterS | thomas_adam: given the dark blue background of your one terminal window, I'm guessing you have IRIX in your past as well |
| 01:50.00 | asg | Hyp3rion: GEOS > * |
| 01:50.03 | sparr | dondelelcaro: did that too, no help |
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| 01:50.12 | thomas_adam | peterS: I'm only 21 |
| 01:50.26 | zumbi | where is #debian in that capture... xD |
| 01:50.26 | asg | peterS: he's in his dark Byronic phase |
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| 01:50.32 | peterS | asg: heh |
| 01:50.33 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam you could have used IRIX me I liked my IRIX boxen |
| 01:50.38 | Hyp3rion | thomas_adam, ue:\n thread.start_new_thread(f, ())') |
| 01:50.43 | Hyp3rion | YAY |
| 01:50.54 | Hyp3rion | thomas_adam, http://os.amiga.com/os4/OS4GUIPre.php |
| 01:50.58 | Hyp3rion | sorry :-/ |
| 01:51.12 | sparr | dondelelcaro: think i solved it. some of the diversions refer to this file, so i linked to where the diversion says the new one went... but isnt that supposed to be automatic? |
| 01:51.14 | Sallusa_Ka | I have IRIX boxen *now* |
| 01:51.16 | asg | peterS: well, except for the heavy drinking and wandering about late at night in dark cloaks bit |
| 01:51.27 | dondelelcaro | sparr: yes... but the nvidia-glx stuff is probably broken as all shite. |
| 01:51.30 | delusion-ed | what cmd can i use to kill a process based on its name rather than pid? anyone? |
| 01:51.33 | Hyp3rion | Sallusa_Ka, Wow! 5dwm also looked cool! |
| 01:51.36 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: I would like to have used it -- I mean, I have only ever used sun once at a commercial placement over summer ~3 years ago. Although it won't surprise you to realise I used to love and use ol[v]wm ;) |
| 01:51.38 | asg | delusion-ed: pkill, killall |
| 01:51.39 | dondelelcaro | delusion-ed: pidof or killall |
| 01:51.45 | numist_ | what file do I edit to enable X forwarding from my box over ssh? |
| 01:51.46 | dondelelcaro | kill $(pidof foo) |
| 01:51.47 | delusion-ed | thx |
| 01:51.47 | sparr | dondelelcaro: guess i complain to the maintainer of nvidia-glx then |
| 01:51.50 | Sallusa_Ka | Hyp3rion: I mostly prop open doors with them. =/ |
| 01:51.54 | asg | numist_: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 01:51.54 | dondelelcaro | sparr: check the bts... |
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| 01:51.58 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam excellent good to see you kids doing good things. |
| 01:52.03 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: My point is, my only form of commercial "unix" was short-lived. |
| 01:52.04 | asg | numist_: use ssh -X (on the client side) |
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| 01:52.23 | jake_ | installfest question: I can't pick the right PCI bus numbers no matter how hard I tryu, and it seems like Xwindows won't run until I do. What's the secret? |
| 01:52.28 | numist_ | asg: X says that forwarding is disabled |
| 01:52.29 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam you aint missing much. Me I'm stuck in HP-UX hell at work. |
| 01:52.31 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: ISTR irix had this cool CL-app called "untab", which stripped tabs from files. |
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| 01:52.45 | asg | numist_: then the server needs X11Forwarding yes set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 01:52.52 | numist_ | thanks |
| 01:52.56 | ameoba | I'm slowly beginning to hate solaris... we've got this 14x machine that's got the buggy Ultrasparcs in it... |
| 01:52.56 | Hyp3rion | Sallusa_Ka, :-( give them to me! |
| 01:52.56 | thomas_adam | I know Linux has "tr" and the like, but I find that cool. :) |
| 01:52.58 | asg | numist_: anytime |
| 01:53.05 | dondelelcaro | ameoba: so install Debian on them. |
| 01:53.19 | Sallusa_Ka | Hyp3rion: Working on getting debian on them. I despise IRIX |
| 01:53.43 | Hyp3rion | Sallusa_Ka, there is mips port. |
| 01:53.50 | scarynetworkguy | Sallusa_Ka what app do you run on your Irix boxen? |
| 01:53.50 | asg | thomas_adam: the fact that linux doesn't have Notepad.exe, a registry, and a penchant for card games by default is enought for me |
| 01:53.54 | ameoba | dondelelcaro: I would in an instant, but the guy who the machine 'belongs' to is some monkey PhD that's convinced that Solaris is the ultimate OS |
| 01:54.02 | Sallusa_Ka | Hyp3rion: Depends on the chip, cache coherence and all that |
| 01:54.07 | thomas_adam | asg: hahaha, indeed! Hear, hear. |
| 01:54.09 | delusion-ed | dondelelcaro: is pidoff to display the PID by its name? |
| 01:54.14 | Hyp3rion | Sallusa_Ka, oh yea :-/ |
| 01:54.18 | Hyp3rion | good luck! |
| 01:54.20 | thomas_adam | delusion-ed: pidof <name> |
| 01:54.20 | Sallusa_Ka | scarynetworkguy: At the moment, nothing. I just moved and they aren't unpacked |
| 01:54.23 | peterS | delusion-ed: you know, things like pidof *are* documented |
| 01:54.28 | asg | thomas_adam: chef(6) is icing on the cake, b0rk b0rk b0rk |
| 01:54.29 | ameoba | dondelelcaro: ...so I just have to deal with it crashing & eating the RAID once a month or so |
| 01:54.34 | Sallusa_Ka | scarynetworkguy: Was trying to get debian working properly |
| 01:54.36 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 01:54.41 | scarynetworkguy | Sallusa_Ka ah they are yours. I only sver had SGI hardware at work |
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| 01:55.15 | Sallusa_Ka | scarynetworkguy: Yeah, I ave a decent stack of suns and SGI boxen. |
| 01:55.31 | scarynetworkguy | ameoba it gives you something to do we would not want you to get bored |
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| 01:56.08 | ameoba | scarynetworkguy: I can't be bored. I have crack-attack |
| 01:56.16 | Sallusa_Ka | asg: You'd like to believe that |
| 01:56.18 | scarynetworkguy | ameoba :) |
| 01:56.21 | scarynetworkguy | I'm full |
| 01:56.46 | asg | Sallusa_Ka: hehe |
| 01:57.28 | flipture | hey if i wana make it so that apache interperts different domain names to go different places, where would i change that? I.E. bleh.com would go to one place and hi.bleh.com would go to another |
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| 01:57.42 | scarynetworkguy | linux that is damn typo |
| 01:58.24 | scarynetworkguy | flipture I would go to www.apache.org and RTFM |
| 01:58.29 | suffocate | anyone have some experiacne with issi |
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| 01:58.35 | thomas_adam | !anyone |
| 01:58.36 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 01:58.43 | asg | flipture: #apache might be a better forum |
| 01:58.46 | suffocate | can someone help me with irssi |
| 01:58.53 | thomas_adam | suffocate: #irssi |
| 01:59.09 | suffocate | no one is helpful enough ther |
| 01:59.21 | thomas_adam | suffocate: They are if you are polite and patient. |
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| 01:59.25 | asg | suffocate: ask your question, we may or may not be able to help you. |
| 01:59.33 | ameoba | suffocate: use a diff. client then.. +) |
| 01:59.36 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam but I want help NOW!!! |
| 01:59.42 | dasunt | Odd. |
| 01:59.43 | asg | !annoy bob2 |
| 01:59.43 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 01:59.44 | thomas_adam | !annoy scarynetworkguy |
| 01:59.48 | dasunt | Woody doesn't find libdvdcss2 |
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| 01:59.53 | akhsadkjhsad | i have kernel 2.6 , but can load modules .... Help! |
| 01:59.57 | asg | dasunt: /msg dpkg search |
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| 02:00.05 | asg | akhsadkjhsad: using woody? |
| 02:00.11 | asg | !qm_modules |
| 02:00.11 | dpkg | install module-init-tools, or <Justin_> like I said a while ago, it should be QM_ID10T_MODULES, or ask me about <bunk 2.6> |
| 02:00.13 | akhsadkjhsad | yes |
| 02:00.14 | asg | akhsadkjhsad: ^^ |
| 02:00.15 | thomas_adam | module-init-tools |
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| 02:00.58 | dasunt | asg: apt-cache isn't finding it. |
| 02:01.04 | asg | dasunt: try apt-file |
| 02:01.19 | dasunt | ogle wants it. |
| 02:01.23 | akhsadkjhsad | ex2: Couldn't find package module-init-tools |
| 02:01.27 | asg | dasunt: or /msg dpkg find <shit> |
| 02:01.35 | akhsadkjhsad | why ? |
| 02:01.41 | asg | akhsadkjhsad: you need a backport (/msg dpkg backports) |
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| 02:02.03 | asg | akhsadkjhsad: woody and 2.6 don't easily mix though, even with backported module-init-tools |
| 02:02.11 | dan2 | asg: there you are! |
| 02:02.12 | dan2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.13 | scarynetworkguy | cool the cocoa show |
| 02:02.16 | asg | dan2: been here |
| 02:02.39 | thomas_adam | dan2: How's it going? |
| 02:02.41 | asg | dan2: MM mailed me today (new install on a vmware setup I have) |
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| 02:03.00 | dan2 | MM? |
| 02:03.05 | dasunt | Odd, dpkg can't find it either. |
| 02:03.07 | dan2 | thomas_adam: good |
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| 02:03.30 | asg | dan2: Martin Michlmayer |
| 02:03.31 | thomas_adam | dasunt: It's in non-free |
| 02:03.38 | warren_laptop | Seeking any Debian developer. Flash Plugin has been updated from 6.0.81 to 7.0.25 so you must edit your pseudopackage to point to the right download location. |
| 02:03.45 | dasunt | thomas_adam: I thought I had non-free in my source list. |
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| 02:04.01 | dasunt | thomas_adam: deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US sarge/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 02:04.02 | dan2 | asg: ahh cool |
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| 02:04.11 | dan2 | asg: btw, he is tbm, what for? |
| 02:04.12 | dasunt | thomas_adam: And a similar one for us.debian.org |
| 02:04.20 | thomas_adam | dasunt: then do an apt-get update && apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search <foo> |
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| 02:04.39 | asg | dan2: I submitted a sarge beta install on a vmware setup I have at work (offered to do more if needed) |
| 02:05.10 | asg | dan2: dunno why he's involved but it was somewhat disconcerting at the time :) |
| 02:05.11 | zignig | does anyone know the mkisofs commands line switches the debian-cd uses when it build the netinst iso ? |
| 02:05.23 | dan2 | zignig: only manty knows |
| 02:05.31 | dan2 | He created it |
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| 02:05.39 | dasunt | Oh, that's not dialup friendly. |
| 02:05.41 | asg | dan2: maybe because of Brazil *shrug* |
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| 02:05.58 | zignig | dan2: debian-cd is kind of convoluted and cryptic, ;) |
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| 02:06.01 | asg | dan2: you get cvs commit yet on dbmail? |
| 02:06.07 | dan2 | asg: yeah |
| 02:06.12 | asg | !congratulate dan2 |
| 02:06.13 | dpkg | huzzah dan2, you did it! |
| 02:06.19 | dan2 | huzzuh? |
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| 02:06.35 | zignig | dan2: ond english , hoorah |
| 02:06.41 | zignig | s/ond/old |
| 02:06.43 | asg | dan2: huzzah; what they say at renaissance festivals when you tip the beer guy/girl |
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| 02:06.51 | dan2 | hehe |
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| 02:07.05 | Infohawk | Gnome 2.6 is not fully into unstable yet right? :/ |
| 02:07.06 | huh | hey, im having trouble getting mysql to accept connections from a local pearl script, im using webadmin to set up the permisions for the user, but for somereason it always gets a username password rejected :( |
| 02:07.11 | dan2 | asg: us northerners don't drink as much as you southerners |
| 02:07.12 | asg | dan2: I get lots of Huzzahs |
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| 02:07.43 | asg | dan2: I'm English, it's required, even though I don't live there anymore. thomas_adam is an exception |
| 02:07.47 | zignig | asg: or is that Hazzahii ? |
| 02:08.00 | dan2 | asg: you were born in Britain? |
| 02:08.08 | SharkY | hi! |
| 02:08.18 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: heh, http://www.fvwm.org/screenshots/desktops/j_g_a_van_riswick-desk-1152x864/screenshot.gif?theme=birthday might bring back memories. :) yay for motif |
| 02:08.21 | asg | zignig: good question, my study of OE ended with my study of AG and Latin and the begining of my study of Perl and Unix |
| 02:08.27 | asg | dan2: yes |
| 02:08.32 | dan2 | asg: interesante! |
| 02:08.33 | dasunt | Ah, I see. |
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| 02:08.47 | dasunt | browsing packages.debian.org: libdvdcss2 -- package not available. |
| 02:08.48 | thomas_adam | Aye, I bet asg was raised on 'ovis and 'otpot.... |
| 02:08.50 | chitiri | Infohawk: bookmark http://svn.debian.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/pkg-gnome/www/package-status.html |
| 02:08.59 | dan2 | asg: I thought it was the irish who got drunk a lot |
| 02:09.11 | thomas_adam | dan2: The Northerns are famous for it. |
| 02:09.15 | huh | im also finding that trying to connect using mysql -u root -p fails, with invalid pass, when i know its correct |
| 02:09.23 | thomas_adam | huh: huh? |
| 02:09.24 | asg | dan2: wot thomas_adam said |
| 02:09.40 | asg | huh: did you read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/* |
| 02:09.42 | simonrvn | dan2: where there's beer, people will drink it |
| 02:09.51 | dasunt | huh: Does that host have permission to log in? |
| 02:09.52 | dan2 | asg: do you drink a lot of crappy tea? |
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| 02:10.03 | asg | dan2: no, only good stong coffee and beer. |
| 02:10.07 | thomas_adam | Mind you -- on my many visits to the lake district, and indeed Ingleborough, the pubs there are very quaint and often take on a mountaineering theme. The food though is _LOVELY_. |
| 02:10.18 | huh | yeah it root on localhost, if anyone had permisions it would |
| 02:10.28 | dan2 | asg: I drink triple shots of coffee every evening around 4:30 |
| 02:10.35 | dan2 | s/coffee/espresso/ |
| 02:10.48 | asg | dan2: you're still young, you can get away with that. |
| 02:10.49 | dan2 | asg: stop at starbucks and pick some up |
| 02:11.00 | dasunt | huh: Did you read the debian docks? |
| 02:11.00 | simonrvn | eew, starbucks |
| 02:11.04 | thomas_adam | starbucks here are a rip-off. |
| 02:11.22 | simonrvn | we make fun of the people going to starbucks here |
| 02:11.30 | dasunt | huh: Er, docs |
| 02:11.33 | dan2 | simonrvn: its better than gas station coffee |
| 02:11.34 | asg | dan2: I can only drink coffee until 11am or I get the shakes all day (blame college) |
| 02:11.39 | dan2 | simonrvn: I don't have any good cafes around here |
| 02:11.40 | mahdi | Hi, when I load forceware, nvidia's driver stops funcioning when I try to load X (the comp doesnt hang, but I get a black screen and only ctrl+alt+del works... i can connect to the box via ssh though). What could b wrong? :( |
| 02:11.43 | asg | simonrvn: he has a point |
| 02:11.44 | thomas_adam | "Would you like hazelnut/chcolate/caramel in that, sir?". No, I just want _fucking_ coffee! Ok, that'll be £6.90p then. |
| 02:11.52 | asg | thomas_adam: hahaha |
| 02:11.55 | huh | yeah but im using the web admin to edit the passwords and files and suck and set it to sync with the system for logins and passwords |
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| 02:12.04 | asg | thomas_adam: that almost sounded like my wife |
| 02:12.12 | thomas_adam | asg: Hi, honey! |
| 02:12.15 | simonrvn | dan2: well, we do here have good coffee here. if you don't have much choice, i can see that |
| 02:12.32 | dan2 | thomas_adam: it only costs 1.50 USD for three shots of espresso here, which is a lot less |
| 02:12.42 | thomas_adam | dan2: heh |
| 02:12.44 | asg | thomas_adam: she makes really bad coffee. I purposely get up early so I can make it 'my way' and don't have to drink hers |
| 02:12.51 | thomas_adam | hahahahaha |
| 02:13.02 | asg | thomas_adam: otherwise, it's marital bliss |
| 02:13.22 | thomas_adam | asg: Tell her it's wrong and for her to "get back in that kitchen and bake you some pie". |
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| 02:13.43 | asg | thomas_adam: plus, for a strapping lad like dan2, three shots from a hot coffee girl/guy at $1.50 isn't a bad way to meet people |
| 02:13.55 | thomas_adam | asg: That is true. |
| 02:13.58 | kyle_ | Alumin, you round? |
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| 02:14.00 | asg | thomas_adam: no, she's a gourmet; just makes shitty coffee |
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| 02:14.24 | thomas_adam | asg: hehe. |
| 02:14.30 | sussudio | thomas_adam: i think he means the diaper-straps |
| 02:14.40 | asg | !velcrosmite sussudio |
| 02:14.46 | thomas_adam | sussudio: heh |
| 02:14.48 | dan2 | asg: my mom can't make coffee, then again, I have trouble thinking she can do anything useful |
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| 02:15.06 | sussudio | like your birth? |
| 02:15.07 | asg | dan2: you'd be surprised |
| 02:15.17 | dan2 | asg: I have to remind her to pay the bills |
| 02:15.18 | dan2 | its pretty bad |
| 02:15.22 | b00 | dan2: you rude to yo mama ! |
| 02:15.24 | b00 | ;o |
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| 02:16.00 | thomas_adam | dan2: You'll have to earn enough money to put her in a home. |
| 02:16.02 | Supaplex | I just setup a cron job for bills. |
| 02:16.05 | dan2 | asg: French Press is the best way to make strong coffee at home, drip coffee makers don't make the water hot enough, so it won't be as strong |
| 02:16.24 | dan2 | thomas_adam: Im getting paid 25USD an hour for network testing |
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| 02:16.36 | dan2 | thomas_adam: s/network/network security/ |
| 02:16.37 | bghfhfg | Every so often, my Debian Sid system locks- it doesn't respond to anything, the mouse doesn't move, the keyboard is useless. I have to manually reboot it. What could be causing this? |
| 02:16.43 | asg | thomas_adam: hehe |
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| 02:16.51 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: memory -- run memtest86 |
| 02:16.51 | advorak | hi everybody |
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| 02:16.59 | sussudio | !what does thomas_adam pay you for |
| 02:17.00 | dpkg | sometimes thomas_adam insists on kitten sex, sussudio, but I'm open to suggestions! |
| 02:17.06 | thomas_adam | ha! |
| 02:17.09 | dan2 | !what doe sussudio pay you for? |
| 02:17.12 | b00 | hahahahah |
| 02:17.14 | dan2 | !what does sussudio pay you for? |
| 02:17.14 | sussudio | !lose dan2 |
| 02:17.14 | asg | !pubtime badgers |
| 02:17.16 | dpkg | normally sussudio begs for anal stimulation, dan2, but I'm open to suggestions! |
| 02:17.18 | dpkg | PubtimePubtimePubtimePubtimePubtimePubtimePubtimePubtime Barsnacks Barsnacks Tab! Tab! |
| 02:17.20 | dpkg | dan2: You Lose. |
| 02:17.26 | thomas_adam | poor bot |
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| 02:17.34 | bghfhfg | Is there a GUI for Linux like XWindows, but lighter? |
| 02:17.40 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: fvwm |
| 02:17.41 | asg | bghfhfg: fvwm |
| 02:17.42 | dan2 | bghfhfg: console |
| 02:17.44 | dan2 | :) |
| 02:17.49 | asg | dan2: console + screen |
| 02:17.50 | beth | bghfhfg: tinyX |
| 02:17.52 | Justin | !+xwindows |
| 02:17.53 | dpkg | it has been said that xwindows is NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 02:17.55 | b00 | bghfhfg: evilwm |
| 02:17.57 | dan2 | asg: screen has terrible scrolling |
| 02:17.59 | asg | !Justin++ |
| 02:18.00 | b00 | as light as you can get |
| 02:18.07 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: But how that relates to your question about having a fucked computer, I don't know. |
| 02:18.10 | Bill | hi all im back blondecarlo could you give me that command again? |
| 02:18.19 | Hyp3rion | thomas_adam, asg, why this fvwm sarcasm? |
| 02:18.19 | asg | blondcarlo? hahahha |
| 02:18.21 | bghfhfg | dan2: The console isn't a GUI. |
| 02:18.27 | thomas_adam | Hyp3rion: sarcasm??? |
| 02:18.30 | dan2 | bghfhfg: its a real gui |
| 02:18.32 | peterS | bghfhfg: X is not a very thick layer. how much lighter do you think it can get? |
| 02:18.34 | Justin | heh, you don't call it "microsoft window xp", so don't call it "XWindows" :-P |
| 02:18.51 | bghfhfg | thomas_adam: No, I mean a totally different GUI- not X at all. |
| 02:18.53 | Bill | peterS so do you think I just need to find a 2.6 kernel that works? |
| 02:18.55 | dan2 | peterS: btw, what do I have to fix in the sqlloader |
| 02:19.04 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: google for "Y window" and "mgr" |
| 02:19.19 | Hyp3rion | heh |
| 02:19.24 | asg | thomas_adam: always though B window was sexier and more stylish |
| 02:19.25 | peterS | dan2: you need to understand function pointers and the data structures you are using, I think. then fix whatever needs fixing, based on that understanding |
| 02:19.29 | thomas_adam | asg: heh |
| 02:19.35 | dan2 | peterS: ok |
| 02:19.37 | Hyp3rion | y windows :-D |
| 02:19.37 | bghfhfg | peterS: It could get a lot lighter, considering it takes up over 100MB hard disk space and 16MB RAM. |
| 02:19.40 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: also, apt-get install twin |
| 02:19.50 | dan2 | bghfhfg: emacs takes about something like that |
| 02:19.53 | peterS | bghfhfg: 100 MB hard disk space? where do you get that? |
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| 02:20.12 | peterS | bghfhfg: are you counting all the fonts? if so, how do you propose to have a GUI with fonts that take up less space? |
| 02:20.18 | dan2 | peterS: out of his ass? |
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| 02:20.19 | thomas_adam | Emacs is pure shit. |
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| 02:20.32 | Sethan0n | im trying to install a crontab job in, /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root , header in the file says "Do not edit this file, edit master and reinstall" anyone know where the master would be, or what i should do. if i append my job to the existing jobs will it not work? |
| 02:20.35 | asg | thomas_adam: though there is an awful lot of it |
| 02:20.36 | bghfhfg | peterS: By not having so many? |
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| 02:20.43 | peterS | bghfhfg: so uninstall some |
| 02:20.45 | asg | Sethan0n: crontab -e |
| 02:20.46 | bghfhfg | dan2: Emacs is an operating system. |
| 02:20.46 | zignig | Sethan0n: crontab -e |
| 02:20.48 | Hyp3rion | sussudio, wtf? and farkas? |
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| 02:20.51 | thomas_adam | asg: yes, but I already have a kitchen sink. |
| 02:20.55 | dan2 | bghfhfg: it has a builtin window manager |
| 02:20.56 | zignig | asg: haha too slow ! |
| 02:21.04 | bghfhfg | peterS: It all comes in one package, something like twelve different fonts. |
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| 02:21.10 | Sethan0n | asg, zignig: thanks :) |
| 02:21.14 | thomas_adam | They will be porting Linux to emacs.... |
| 02:21.15 | asg | zignig: you ore me? from my end, I looked the winner in that one :p |
| 02:21.15 | nono | dasunt: Exim + courrier? it makes server too? (like creating mail server to have personal email addresses?) |
| 02:21.18 | bghfhfg | dan2: The wms for X can be very light. |
| 02:21.18 | thomas_adam | I've always said it. |
| 02:21.18 | asg | s/ore/or/ |
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| 02:21.26 | simonrvn | w00t 4.1.3 autofs does direct maps :) |
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| 02:21.34 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: where to? |
| 02:21.36 | zignig | asg: lets call it a draw :) |
| 02:21.40 | asg | zignig: :) |
| 02:21.42 | peterS | bghfhfg: I still don't understand what it is in the X Window System on your machine that takes 100 MB |
| 02:21.47 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: ? |
| 02:21.48 | dan2 | how the hell does autofs work? |
| 02:21.50 | bghfhfg | dan2: Emacs has everything but the kitchen sink. |
| 02:21.57 | peterS | dan2: kernel intervention |
| 02:21.58 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: nevermind, tenuous "joke" at best. |
| 02:22.08 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: :) |
| 02:22.11 | Justin | 97571 /usr/X11, which of that: 21102 /usr/X11/lib/X11/fonts and 7186 /usr/X11/man |
| 02:22.12 | asg | dan2: you goto /mnt/stuff and stuff gets mounted (and unmounted in 5 minutes by default) |
| 02:22.12 | bghfhfg | peterS: Neither do I. I'm not an X developer or anything. |
| 02:22.32 | dan2 | bghfhfg: s/but/and/ |
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| 02:22.42 | peterS | Justin: ls: /usr/X11: No such file or directory |
| 02:22.48 | peterS | Justin: what system are you on? it's not Debian |
| 02:22.50 | dan2 | xemacs21 - Editor and kitchen sink |
| 02:22.52 | Justin | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Sep 13 2002 /usr/X11 -> X11R6// |
| 02:22.55 | bghfhfg | dan2: And the kitchen sink? |
| 02:23.07 | bghfhfg | So, is there a lighter GUI available? |
| 02:23.14 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: fvwm |
| 02:23.19 | Hyp3rion | /dev/null <-- the kitchen sink |
| 02:23.21 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: FFS, we've told you all this. |
| 02:23.23 | asg | bghfhfg: startx /usr/bin/xterm -- :0 |
| 02:23.26 | Justin | 67M /data/thinkpad_backup/thinkpad/usr/X11R6 is a better example :-) |
| 02:23.31 | dan2 | bghfhfg: asg: xinit |
| 02:23.31 | gerv9 | does anyone have silicon image 3112 drivers / setup going that can help me? it's used with the A7N8X Deluxe mobo and SATA drives |
| 02:23.40 | Hyp3rion | bghfhfg, there is SEAL for FreeDOS! |
| 02:23.50 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: use 'twm'. |
| 02:23.50 | bghfhfg | Something that doesn't run on the X server! |
| 02:24.01 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: yes, apt-get install twin |
| 02:24.04 | thomas_adam | !+twin |
| 02:24.04 | dpkg | somebody said twin was http://sourceforge.net/projects/twin and http://twin.sourceforge.net/twin-screenshot.gif |
| 02:24.13 | bghfhfg | Hyp3rion: Has it been ported to Linux? |
| 02:24.21 | Hyp3rion | bghfhfg, NO |
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| 02:24.27 | Justin | ooh there is a twin package, I tried to compile that years ago but it never worked |
| 02:24.32 | thomas_adam | !fix bghfhfg |
| 02:24.53 | thomas_adam | Justin: uh-huh -- it's damn cool. |
| 02:25.01 | asg | Justin: I'm there if those terms are full screen |
| 02:25.08 | asg | s/l s/ls/ |
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| 02:25.10 | thomas_adam | asg: yup. |
| 02:25.17 | Bill | scarynetworkguy I saw that |
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| 02:25.19 | bghfhfg | How clever: an ncurses-based GUI- which is not really a GUI. |
| 02:25.20 | asg | thomas_adam: no borders and stupid shit? |
| 02:25.24 | thomas_adam | asg: nope |
| 02:25.37 | thomas_adam | asg: how is it you people say: "Go figure"? :) |
| 02:25.45 | Justin | asg: I don't see why you would use it over screen |
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| 02:26.01 | thomas_adam | Justin: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, etc.... |
| 02:26.01 | opp | im at msn messenger right now, but seems i need to download the software, how do i register without downloading ms software, im ucsing linux? |
| 02:26.04 | asg | Justin: because fb console isn't as responsive as xterms (imho) |
| 02:26.07 | Justin | unless you had like a 400x120 console |
| 02:26.11 | thomas_adam | opp: Sigh -- more idiocy? |
| 02:26.30 | Justin | asg: and there is no subpixel anti-aliased framebuffer:) |
| 02:26.40 | peterS | Justin: yeah, the Linux console is limited to 256x256, architecturally |
| 02:26.44 | asg | Justin: hehe |
| 02:27.03 | dondelelcaro | opp: uh, you visit hotmail.com or whatever, and sign up for "passport" something or other. |
| 02:27.05 | asg | Justin: I just need lots of screen real estate for peterS's large sentences |
| 02:27.07 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: It's what you asked for. |
| 02:27.15 | thomas_adam | asg: heh |
| 02:27.16 | Bill | dondelelcaro hi could you give me that script again? |
| 02:27.21 | dondelelcaro | opp: it's explained in the msn plugin for gaim. |
| 02:27.30 | bghfhfg | thomas_adam: GUI stands for Graphical User Interface. Notice the graphical part. |
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| 02:27.47 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: You said without X, ffs! |
| 02:27.52 | thomas_adam | Notice the tosser part. |
| 02:27.52 | peterS | asg: my sentences are considerably shorter than what sgeigerbot used to spew on occasion, pasting stuff in from his personal factoid database. |
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| 02:28.06 | Justin | show twin to someone from the 50's and try to convince them that it isn't graphical, HA |
| 02:28.14 | dondelelcaro | Bill: perl -e 'for (0..1000000000){$a+=1;}' & |
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| 02:28.22 | bghfhfg | thomas_adam: You're saying that X is the only thing that can display graphics in all of Linuxdom? |
| 02:28.23 | thomas_adam | script? hahahahaha |
| 02:28.27 | opp | is passport just a hotmial acocunt? |
| 02:28.27 | dondelelcaro | Bill: run two instances of that, and then see the CPU distribution. |
| 02:28.39 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: I'm saying my answer to using 'twin' answered what you asked for. |
| 02:28.43 | Justin | dondelelcaro: heh, I wrote $(0..10000000000) or something once,... did NOT what I wanted it to do:) |
| 02:28.45 | asg | peterS: well, debstats lists you with an average 70.4 chars per line, more than anyone else :) |
| 02:29.10 | zignig | asg: more beer , how rude. |
| 02:29.13 | peterS | asg: Wyzard wrote the longest lines, averaging 102.8 letters per line. |
| 02:29.19 | bghfhfg | thomas_adam: What are you going to do next, tout Links as a "graphical web browser" (which has been done before). |
| 02:29.24 | arioch | anyone know why my personal crontabs are returning some crap like "e" ... I'm using fuser in these |
| 02:29.24 | dondelelcaro | Justin: yeah, perl's a bit more intelligent, and special cases the for (0..1000000) to a fast for ($_=0; $_<=1000000;$_++) like loop... |
| 02:29.30 | peterS | asg: I do have more lines and more words than anyone else, but not the longest lines |
| 02:29.32 | asg | peterS: yes, but only once |
| 02:29.34 | dan2 | asg: how do I use autofs |
| 02:29.52 | Justin | dondelelcaro: what I wrote was off by a character or two, and seemed to malloc the array instead of just iterate through it |
| 02:30.01 | bghfhfg | thomas_adam: Even The OS Which Must Not Be Named can do better than that. |
| 02:30.19 | peterS | dan2: it *is* documented. set up an /etc/auto.master file, referencing your other map files, and voila |
| 02:30.22 | Bill | dondelelcaro how do I stop it? |
| 02:30.23 | bghfhfg | I am not a troll. |
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| 02:30.25 | asg | dan2: create a map in /etc/auto.*, make sure you have autofs support, start autofs, and ... cd /where/autofs/mapped/dir/exists (check logs if it doesn't work) |
| 02:30.27 | Justin | thomas_adam: he isn't a troll, just too dumb for his own good |
| 02:30.44 | asg | !dict graphical |
| 02:30.45 | thomas_adam | Justin: There's a very fine line between them. |
| 02:30.46 | dpkg | Dictionary 'graphical' (3 shown; 15 total): 3. Written or engraved; formed of letters or lines. ;; Graphic arts, a name given to those fine arts which pertain to the representation on a fiat surface of natural objects; as distinguished from music, etc., and also from sculpture. ;; Radiography \Ra`di*og"ra*phy\, n. Art or process of making radiographs. -- Ra`di*o*graph"ic, *graph"ic*al, a. -- Ra`di*o*graph"ic*al*ly, adv.. |
| 02:30.51 | Bill | both my CPUS r maxed how do I stop it donde!? |
| 02:31.02 | dondelelcaro | Bill: you use kill pidofperlprocess. |
| 02:31.05 | Justin | thomas_adam: well, a troll knows what he is saying is indeed stupid, he doesn't |
| 02:31.06 | bghfhfg | I am trying to find out if there is anything besides X Windows which can display pictures on Linux. |
| 02:31.16 | thomas_adam | Justin: aaah,. |
| 02:31.17 | dondelelcaro | Bill: now you know that the kernel is quite capable of sending stuff to both processors. |
| 02:31.19 | Hyp3rion | Bill, run this and pray to god! python <(echo -e 'import thread\nf():\n while True:\n pass\nwhile True:\n thread.start_new_thread(f, ())') |
| 02:31.23 | Sallusa_Ka | Bill: kill -9 <pid> ? |
| 02:31.29 | Bill | dondelcaro I knew it could |
| 02:31.33 | Justin | bghfhfg: links can run on the framebuffer and show "pictures" |
| 02:31.35 | Bill | but it wasnt doing it good enough. |
| 02:31.37 | hiway | what do you want to do, bgh? |
| 02:31.43 | dondelelcaro | Bill: uh, it's doing it perfectly. |
| 02:31.56 | thomas_adam | there is an X11 version of links, but it is a PITA to setup. |
| 02:31.57 | dondelelcaro | Bill: your problem now is figuring out why the servers that you've got aren't being split up correclty. |
| 02:32.11 | Justin | thomas_adam: no it's not, you just have to compile it |
| 02:32.13 | dondelelcaro | Bill: most likely that's because the servers themselves have serious issues. |
| 02:32.19 | Justin | thomas_adam: im sure theres a package of it somewhere |
| 02:32.33 | thomas_adam | Justin: Ah, not that I'm too bothered. I have mozilla. |
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| 02:33.02 | Justin | thomas_adam: I use it on my laptop as the primary browser, and it is good for reading html docs and stuff |
| 02:33.05 | bghfhfg | Is there something besides X Windows which provides a GUI? Which can run graphical programs? Which can display pictures and such? |
| 02:33.12 | Justin | Sallusa_Ka: install an extension |
| 02:33.19 | dondelelcaro | Sallusa_Ka: what, like multizilla? |
| 02:33.20 | Justin | bghfhfg: there is no such thing as X windows |
| 02:33.22 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: google for "linux mgr"] |
| 02:33.37 | bghfhfg | Justin: Uhhh.... How so? |
| 02:33.44 | Sallusa_Ka | dondelelcaro: Possibly, haven't looked into anything lately. |
| 02:33.46 | thomas_adam | Justin: I'll look into it. |
| 02:33.49 | Sallusa_Ka | dondelelcaro: I'll check it out |
| 02:33.55 | vladkao | bghfhfg: to display graphics? zgv ! |
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| 02:33.57 | dondelelcaro | Sallusa_Ka: well, multizilla is probably what you're looking for. |
| 02:34.04 | sussudio | Guerin-Zzz: http://www.agrisupportonline.com/minisheep.htm |
| 02:34.16 | dan2 | asg: what logs? |
| 02:34.24 | Sallusa_Ka | dondelelcaro: Thanks, if so I can finally chunk opera for good |
| 02:34.27 | asg | dan2: /var/log/syslog |
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| 02:35.24 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: Please, are you deliberately dumb? Show some intelligence at least. You have already been told why it is not X-Windows.... |
| 02:35.43 | thomas_adam | !+xwindows |
| 02:35.43 | dpkg | xwindows is probably NOT the name of it. It's simply called X, X11, The X Window System, X11R6, etc. Do a "man X" for more. < Zxcvb> X + KDE/Gnome + Codeweavers Wine == X-windows, or ask me about x windows trap |
| 02:35.47 | hiway | erm, okay, so I just did an apt-get dist-upgrade (using unstable) that broke a coupla little things... apparently "gnome-settings-daemon" no longer exists on my system. |
| 02:35.55 | asg | hiway: /topic |
| 02:36.00 | thomas_adam | hiway: BTS |
| 02:36.10 | programmer90 | excuse me, i was wondering how i set up a printer, what programs do i use and ow do i configure it? i have cupsys and i used printtool and it detected my printer altho it was not in the database list but what do i do now, i tried to print a test page from printtool but it just did nothing |
| 02:36.23 | thomas_adam | programmer90: Which printer? |
| 02:36.38 | thomas_adam | programmer90: Essentially, RTFM |
| 02:36.48 | bghfhfg | thomas_adam: So, is there some alternative to X? |
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| 02:36.57 | arioch | there's Y |
| 02:37.04 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: I HAVE TOLD YOU -- GOOGLE FOR "Linux + mgr" |
| 02:37.18 | thomas_adam | arioch: I've already told him about Y. |
| 02:37.25 | arioch | and picogui |
| 02:37.37 | programmer90 | Lexmark 3200, they have a lexmark 3200 of my model but its black and white only i tried selecting it but it still didnt work |
| 02:37.47 | bghfhfg | Interesting. I'll look at those- but why didn't you say that IN THE FIRST PLACE? |
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| 02:37.59 | thomas_adam | programmer90: Lexmark printers are shit -- although drivers for that model are on their website. |
| 02:38.06 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: I did. |
| 02:38.08 | programmer90 | i dont knoam i supposed to run some kind of printing server or something? |
| 02:38.08 | debuser | in xchat, how do i connect to a new server in another tab? |
| 02:38.08 | dondelelcaro | bghfhfg: uh, he told you that about 10 minutes ago. |
| 02:38.23 | bghfhfg | Okay. How do you run memtest86? |
| 02:38.33 | asg | debuser: #xchat |
| 02:38.36 | medgno | debuser: X-Chat -> New -> Server tab |
| 02:38.41 | dasunt | Write it to a floppy, then boot off the flopy. |
| 02:38.58 | dan2 | ok autofs rocks |
| 02:39.00 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: In your case you don't run memtest |
| 02:39.08 | thomas_adam | bghfhfg: You get a non-moron to do it for you. |
| 02:39.16 | programmer90 | Well shouldnt a generic printer work? i mean it just acts like its going through then says finsihed but it acts like it isnt even signaling the printer |
| 02:39.21 | thomas_adam | programmer90: No. |
| 02:39.33 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: just save yourself and /ignore bghfhfg... |
| 02:39.38 | thomas_adam | programmer90: get the proper printer stuff from the vendor. |
| 02:39.42 | asg | programmer90: lexmarks are generally known not to have non-windows processing power. |
| 02:39.43 | thomas_adam | dondelelcaro: aye. |
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| 02:40.05 | kro | Any debpool users out there? |
| 02:40.14 | thomas_adam | !tell kro about polls |
| 02:40.20 | thomas_adam | !tell kro about ask |
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| 02:40.36 | programmer90 | well I could use just black and white but it just isnt signlaing the printer but like i said something... |
| 02:40.36 | programmer90 | it is a Lexmark 3200 and there are several Lexmarks in that list |
| 02:40.39 | numist_ | for proftpd, is it better to run it from inetd or standalone? what is the basic different that I'd notice? |
| 02:40.50 | thomas_adam | programmer90: Umm, hello? You do see this, don't you? |
| 02:40.52 | Sethan0n | when writing out with crontab -e, do i just have to write it to the master file in /tmp/ , i noticed that its propagated into /var/spool/cron/crontab/root is the write to the /tmp just to enable it to sychronize later without having to lock the file? |
| 02:40.57 | bghfhfg | thomas_adam: No, really, how do I run it? I am capable of running a program. |
| 02:40.57 | asg | numist_: how many people per second are going to be using it? |
| 02:41.00 | thomas_adam | numist_: standalone. |
| 02:41.02 | programmer90 | i have a feeling if i tried another printer it still wouldnt work |
| 02:41.06 | numist_ | asg: < 1 per second |
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| 02:41.11 | asg | numist_: it doesn't matter |
| 02:41.36 | numist_ | so, standalone means it runs as an individual daemon, inetd binds it to inetd basically? |
| 02:41.38 | thomas_adam | Sethan0n: ? |
| 02:41.42 | programmer90 | thoams_adam: uhh |
| 02:41.44 | kro | Ok, more specific question. When using debpool, how do you determine which packages go into which distributions. |
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| 02:42.15 | asg | numist_: inetd starts a daemon to handle each individual request when on occurs |
| 02:42.52 | asg | numist_: however, using xinetd or something better than standard inetd can be beneficial in certain circumstances (i.e. yours, give your load, or lack thereof, requirements) |
| 02:43.06 | asg | s/give/given/ |
| 02:43.08 | programmer90 | Well i tried it on several printers including lots of stuff but it still just sits there |
| 02:43.27 | programmer90 | I tried on a Canon too |
| 02:43.34 | dan2 | asg: autofs > supermount! |
| 02:43.46 | thomas_adam | programmer90: google a bit -- you'll find loads of info. |
| 02:43.52 | asg | dan2: except you have to wait 5 minutes for the umount, which supermount doesn't have to do |
| 02:43.56 | thomas_adam | And now, bed time. |
| 02:44.05 | asg | thomas_adam: sounds like a capital idea |
| 02:44.11 | thomas_adam | heh |
| 02:44.15 | thomas_adam | 03:34am |
| 02:44.16 | asg | thomas_adam: though not with you |
| 02:44.21 | asg | thomas_adam: no offense |
| 02:44.26 | thomas_adam | asg: that's ok. :) |
| 02:44.26 | dan2 | asg: true, I bet you can set it lower tho |
| 02:44.28 | thomas_adam | maybe next time. |
| 02:44.29 | sussudio | thomas_adam: http://www.agrisupportonline.com/minisheep.htm |
| 02:44.35 | thomas_adam | sussudio: 'click' |
| 02:44.41 | asg | dan2: yes, but not low enought to replicate supermount in that respect. |
| 02:44.56 | asg | sussudio: Netnanny said I couldn't see that :( |
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| 02:45.11 | thomas_adam | sussudio: hahahaha :) |
| 02:45.14 | CompWizd | a smiling sheep is slightly disturbing |
| 02:45.16 | sussudio | asg: netnanny.nz? |
| 02:45.18 | thomas_adam | asg: hehehe |
| 02:45.19 | asg | sussudio: is it like the midgit Kiss lookalike band that's coming to town soon? |
| 02:45.21 | Guerin-Zzz | sussudio: hah, classic |
| 02:45.27 | sussudio | beeeh |
| 02:45.35 | thomas_adam | sussudio: I hate to say it, but they're rather cute. |
| 02:45.37 | programmer90 | Dang, heh why am i the only person who has all these problems with my cdrw drive and printer |
| 02:45.40 | asg | s/midgit/midget/ |
| 02:45.48 | thomas_adam | programmer90: you're a moron? |
| 02:45.50 | gravity | asg: Are you going to see them!?!?! |
| 02:45.54 | sussudio | asg: no. they're mini sheep. |
| 02:45.57 | gravity | asg: I saw pics of those guys |
| 02:46.12 | asg | gravity: I'd like to but then I have to see a Dirt Racing thing and I don't want to do that. |
| 02:46.21 | thomas_adam | Hot diggity, dang! |
| 02:46.23 | asg | sussudio: ah, that's okay then |
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| 02:46.55 | dan2 | asg: but supermount unmounts after everything call on the filesystem, its unbarably slow |
| 02:47.00 | asg | gravity: I'd love to see Judas Priest at Oz fest (for old times sake) but that would mean having to go to Oz Fest 9and I don't want to do that) |
| 02:47.06 | dan2 | asg: running find will take a year |
| 02:47.13 | gravity | Hahaha |
| 02:47.13 | asg | dan2: true |
| 02:47.19 | thomas_adam | dan2: You should not be using suprtmount, supermount is evil. |
| 02:47.20 | Guerin-Zzz | sussudio: here's a userpic for thomas_adam: http://www.jwz.org/images/capt.1054936093.canada_johnny_rotten_cptf102.jpg |
| 02:47.25 | programmer90 | Dude i do everything yall say GNOME isnt detecting my CDRW drive and im sure it detected all yalls just fine all it detects is my dang cheap cd rom drive and my cdrw us Sony! Plus im sure all yalls printers worked so EASILY |
| 02:47.28 | Guerin-Zzz | might need scaling down a bit |
| 02:47.32 | thomas_adam | dan2: It just polls your cdrom drive like windows does. |
| 02:47.40 | asg | Guerin-Zzz: morning |
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| 02:47.52 | Guerin-Zzz | programmer90: gnome doesn't doetect anything |
| 02:47.56 | thomas_adam | Guerin-Zzz: hahahaha |
| 02:47.58 | thomas_adam | rofl |
| 02:48.24 | dan2 | asg: I can't unmount my cdrom immeadietly huh |
| 02:48.26 | Guerin | asg: yeah, only just - nearl midday here |
| 02:48.30 | thomas_adam | "Pretty, we're pretty vacant!" |
| 02:48.35 | programmer90 | well you know what i mean it scanned my systems for devices and my cdrom showed up on the deskto |
| 02:48.47 | asg | dan2: you can manually, autofs won't do it for you though |
| 02:48.53 | thomas_adam | programmer90: I have no idea what you mean, no. |
| 02:48.56 | dan2 | ok |
| 02:49.00 | asg | Guerin: hehe |
| 02:49.14 | thomas_adam | asg: quiet you! |
| 02:49.38 | asg | thomas_adam: hehe |
| 02:49.41 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 02:50.00 | asg | thomas_adam: s/quite you!/shut yer noise you!/ |
| 02:50.41 | programmer90 | I was reading some junk when i instlled debian i looked through the docs and it said every tme GNOME sops it scans your system for devices and adds an icon to the desktop for it such as well the floppyu and cdrom drive, altho it really has nothing to do with Gnome, my cdrw is just not there |
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| 02:50.50 | thomas_adam | sleep 3h && echo -ne "wake up, Thomas\a" |
| 02:51.00 | asg | s/Camboida/Cambodia/ |
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| 02:51.16 | dan2 | thomas_adam: sleep 3h && echo "Wake UP THOMAS!!!" |festival --tts |
| 02:51.35 | asg | dan2: make sure he has the brit pack installed though |
| 02:51.40 | Guerin | --volume 100 |
| 02:51.41 | thomas_adam | Oi, stop making my computer beep at me! :) |
| 02:52.02 | asg | Guerin: and lots of eject && eject -t |
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| 02:53.00 | Guerin | asg: and make kde start and stop, so it plays the startup/shutdown noises over and over |
| 02:53.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:53.13 | Guerin | the ultimate wakeup script would do all these things |
| 02:53.34 | asg | Guerin: in a for loop driven by `seq 1 100000000000` |
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| 02:54.42 | sussudio | no, the ultimate wakeup call would be forgettting to turn off the sysop yell and some idiot user trying it at 3:45am |
| 02:55.06 | programmer90 | Dude im not a moron ive been tring for 5 hours to set up my printer using various internet resources heh |
| 02:55.11 | asg | Guerin: actually, the ultimate wake script would be: 'morning, no spam, movies due, boss says don't bother ... oh, and bush kicked it' |
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| 02:55.22 | zignig | dan2: everyone hates dentists |
| 02:55.25 | sussudio | dan2: dentists hate you too |
| 02:55.29 | gravity | programmer90: You've installed CUPS and tried the web interface, right? |
| 02:55.32 | dan2 | zignig: orthodontists are worse |
| 02:55.46 | Guerin | asg: and your wife is in the kitchen cooking bacon and eggs, naked |
| 02:55.57 | zignig | dan2: the worst are polititions. :) |
| 02:56.01 | asg | Guerin: she does that anyway |
| 02:56.02 | Guerin | s/wife/partner/ |
| 02:56.05 | programmer90 | the cupsys right? i apt-cache search cups and i got a lot of packages i installed all |
| 02:56.16 | programmer90 | cups anyway |
| 02:56.21 | sussudio | s/bacon and eggs/mutton/ |
| 02:56.27 | gravity | programmer90: Yes, the cupsys package. Did you use its web interface? |
| 02:56.27 | asg | Guerin: well, with an apron because bacon has a tendancy to spit |
| 02:56.32 | Guerin | asg: we have a deal at my place: I cook, she cleans. |
| 02:56.39 | Guerin | asg: absolutely |
| 02:56.41 | dan2 | dpkg: no, qotd <reply> "If I become an author, will I be rich?", Answer: "No, if you were looking to be rich, take a peak at orthodontics" |
| 02:56.41 | dpkg | dan2: You are moron #4 |
| 02:56.43 | programmer90 | Where is it located? |
| 02:56.49 | dan2 | dpkg: no, qotd is <reply> "If I become an author, will I be rich?", Answer: "No, if you were looking to be rich, take a peak at orthodontics" |
| 02:56.49 | dpkg | okay, dan2 |
| 02:56.50 | asg | Guerin: we have a similar deal, though I make kick ass sandwiches. |
| 02:56.52 | sussudio | !lose dan2 |
| 02:56.53 | dpkg | dan2: You Lose. |
| 02:56.54 | peterS | asg: yeah, best to wear *something* cooking bacon |
| 02:56.58 | dan2 | !qotd |
| 02:56.58 | dpkg | "If I become an author, will I be rich?", Answer: "No, if you were looking to be rich, take a peak at orthodontics" |
| 02:57.04 | gravity | programmer90: Read the CUPS administration guide located at cups.org |
| 02:57.08 | programmer90 | i know its local just dont knolw where |
| 02:57.09 | gravity | programmer90: It'll tell you how to get to it |
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| 02:57.15 | asg | peterS: yes, once didn't; learned lesson ... moved along ... gently |
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| 02:57.19 | peterS | heh |
| 02:57.35 | sussudio | ~qotd |
| 02:57.36 | apt | < *fudje> beta3: write your entire secret key down on the back of your hand, just in case.... |
| 02:57.38 | programmer90 | k |
| 02:57.40 | asg | !qotd8 |
| 02:57.40 | dpkg | "Last time someone listened to a Bush, people wandered in the desert for 40 years." |
| 02:57.45 | Guerin | asg: the trouble is I still get roped into cleaning, now and again ... |
| 02:57.57 | dan2 | dpkg: haha |
| 02:58.03 | sussudio | !qotd9 |
| 02:58.04 | dpkg | <caphuso> linagee: so, now would be a good time to start reading the fucking manual before i start fucking you |
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| 02:58.14 | asg | Guerin: the lines are not purely delineated, there's always room |
| 02:58.18 | dan2 | !qotd10 |
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| 02:58.38 | peterS | dan2: /msg dpkg listkeys qotd |
| 02:58.51 | vladkao | hehe, caphuso in bad mood :) |
| 02:59.07 | vladkao | is that quote of the day ? |
| 02:59.08 | asg | vladkao: apparently |
| 02:59.10 | asg | !wrench |
| 02:59.11 | dpkg | * HaQDaQ wants to use apt-get agaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaain greycat> HaQDaQ: then do so. HaQDaQ> it doesn't work anymore... dependency erros : greycat> HaQDaQ: fix them. HaQDaQ> greycat: how ? greycat> HaQDaQ: with an apt wrench. Are you going to ask any more stupid questions? * HaQDaQ is linux n00b, and how to apt wrench ? HaQDaQ> greycat: how to apt wrench ? |
| 02:59.38 | Guerin | heh, classic greycat |
| 02:59.43 | vladkao | yup :) |
| 03:00.07 | asg | well, there is this one but I'm a bit biased |
| 03:00.07 | asg | !ksirc |
| 03:00.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ksirc is a script for sirc, but I may be wrong, or asg> ni: have you asked in #debian-kde? ni> yeah ni> they told me ksirc is ugly and sucks balls asg> hahaha |
| 03:00.25 | Guerin | it does too |
| 03:00.35 | dan2 | !worked in 2.4 |
| 03:00.35 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 03:00.38 | dan2 | doh |
| 03:00.48 | dan2 | !worked in 2.6 |
| 03:00.48 | dpkg | Every time you say "___doesn't work in 2.4/2.8/3.0, but worked in 2.6", a 5 dollar (USD) surcharge must be paid to dan2 |
| 03:01.02 | peterS | dan2: ummm, shouldn't that be dondelelcaro? |
| 03:01.10 | dan2 | no |
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| 03:01.12 | asg | hehe |
| 03:01.14 | Guerin | it has evil icons, and when the screen buffer fills up, every additional line causes the buffer to "jump", so it doean't scroll smoothly |
| 03:01.33 | peterS | dan2: don't be rebadging other people's factoids like some cheap NIC vendor |
| 03:01.42 | gravity | hehehe |
| 03:01.45 | gravity | Good analogy |
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| 03:01.53 | peterS | thanks (: |
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| 03:02.43 | peterS | dan2: ah, my mistake. you actually stole greycat's factoid, not dondelelcaro's |
| 03:02.49 | peterS | dan2: and yes, I do have logs to prove it |
| 03:03.12 | opp | what is the screen name of the pawhat is the screen name of the passport i have?ssport i have? |
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| 03:03.17 | peterS | 20:15:32 <dan2> dpkg: worked in 2.4 =~ s/greycat/dan2/ |
| 03:03.21 | Guerin | !confuse opp |
| 03:03.22 | dpkg | no, them is your badger today, opp ? by order of the people's republic of tibet with extra herring |
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| 03:04.00 | Guerin | paw + hat, sounds like handpuppet to me ... Mr Hat, anyone? |
| 03:04.14 | asg | Guerin: dunno, there was some serious Dr. Seuss in there |
| 03:04.18 | knoppix | hmm |
| 03:04.26 | asg | ...'passport i have?sssport i have? |
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| 03:04.50 | Guerin | asg: you could be right... |
| 03:05.00 | asg | ...would you like retort with that? piss off, I'm off to #knoppix |
| 03:05.26 | dumitru | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.29 | knoppix | hmm |
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| 03:06.46 | opp | asg, im filling my gaim, it ask me for screen name, i have an msn passport, so whats the screen name? ie. is it the <whatever>@hotmail.com, is it the words in < > ? |
| 03:07.07 | nevyn | opp: blah@hotmail.com |
| 03:07.11 | Alumin | opp: the whole address |
| 03:07.13 | asg | opp: no, just like nevyn said |
| 03:09.14 | opp | the whole email add including @hotmail.com??? |
| 03:09.19 | asg | opp: yes |
| 03:09.29 | opp | thanks, im trying now, |
| 03:10.05 | lfs | How does one know what package a library comes from? |
| 03:10.17 | asg | lfs: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:10.42 | opp | asg, do i have to fill in alias, i dont have any? |
| 03:10.47 | lfs | I know about that one |
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| 03:10.55 | asg | opp: that's just a screen name iirc |
| 03:11.02 | peterS | lfs: "that one"? /msg dpkg search tells you about several methods of searching for different things |
| 03:11.04 | asg | lfs: apt-file search <library> |
| 03:11.12 | opp | waz iirc? |
| 03:11.16 | asg | !iirc |
| 03:11.16 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 03:11.18 | asg | opp: ^^ |
| 03:11.33 | lfs | OK thanks |
| 03:11.34 | asg | !dict waz |
| 03:11.36 | dpkg | could not find definition for waz |
| 03:11.50 | opp | so alias appears as the name on gaim...not the email account? |
| 03:11.52 | peterS | asg: I think waz is a misspelling for steve wozniak's nickname |
| 03:11.55 | asg | dpkg was is <reply> a colloquial term for 'pissing in the woods' |
| 03:11.56 | dpkg | asg: okay |
| 03:11.58 | opp | any name i like would do? |
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| 03:12.08 | asg | opp: sure |
| 03:12.13 | Kel | play with it and find out |
| 03:12.18 | Kel | worst that can happen is.. nothing. |
| 03:12.25 | asg | opp: the email + password is the real credential, everything else is fluff other people see. |
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| 03:12.45 | asg | opp: A guy I work with is named Luke but he appears as Jake for some totally stupid reason |
| 03:13.04 | mith | ... |
| 03:13.10 | sussudio | !mith mith |
| 03:14.00 | lfs | I dont think apt-file search libraryname works |
| 03:14.03 | asg | sussudio: you'd think he'd learn |
| 03:14.11 | asg | lfs: what is the library name |
| 03:14.50 | neiljp | wow, new gnuplot is *great*...dig those funky 3d plots... [/ramble] |
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| 03:16.13 | hacim | I am getting this error: gpg: [stdin]: clearsign failed: secret key not available |
| 03:16.17 | hacim | ? |
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| 03:17.05 | sussudio | baah |
| 03:17.56 | lfs | Im going to post my response to apt-file to flood |
| 03:18.01 | nevyn | hacim: have you generated a secret key? |
| 03:18.20 | Spartak | how do i preven ssh from checking for mail everytime i ssh to my server? |
| 03:18.46 | lfs | what is that all about? |
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| 03:19.25 | Kel | ._. |
| 03:19.30 | nevyn | Spartak: configure your shell correctly |
| 03:20.02 | Spartak | nevyn: can you help me out what file /etc/profile ? |
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| 03:20.47 | sabin | is it just me or did gnome 2.6 make it into sid? |
| 03:20.55 | gravity | sabin: It did |
| 03:20.59 | LoRez | Spartak: fix your pam config. /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 03:21.04 | gravity | And the new X broke part of it |
| 03:21.11 | cafuego | and another 2 hours of on-site debian install pay for the car. whee! |
| 03:21.24 | sabin | gravity, i don't see it anounced on any website though |
| 03:21.42 | sabin | gravity, whoa wait, should i cancel the upgrade? |
| 03:23.05 | gravity | sabin: /topic |
| 03:23.14 | Spartak | LoRez: thanks! |
| 03:23.16 | gravity | sabin: I'm not sure exactly what it breaks |
| 03:23.28 | LoRez | wow, quiet in here tonight. |
| 03:23.29 | gravity | sabin: Something with gnome-settings-daemon |
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| 03:24.33 | sabin | gravity, ok thanks |
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| 03:25.09 | gravity | sabin: For future reference, Debian doesn't announce things on websites. Discussion happens almost 100% on mailing lists |
| 03:25.37 | zignig | gravity: ssh , don't tell him ;) |
| 03:25.41 | lfs | Anybody have a clue about what I posted to flood? |
| 03:25.48 | gravity | Although Sebastian Bacher mentioned it on his blog, which goes to planet.debian.net |
| 03:25.48 | sabin | gravity, ok... i dunno usually these things make it into like debianplanet |
| 03:26.05 | gravity | sabin: Ah. Yeah, debianplanet hasn't been doing a whole lot lately |
| 03:26.11 | mith | lfs: yes, haha, you actually pasted something, noone actually looks at that. |
| 03:26.16 | gravity | sabin: It did come up on planet.debian.net |
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| 03:27.50 | sabin | gravity, does this mean 2.6 makes it into sarge? |
| 03:28.27 | gravity | sabin: Uh... 2.6 has been in sarge for ages |
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| 03:28.52 | gravity | sabin: It's even been an option in d-i for a number of months now |
| 03:28.52 | cafuego | sabin: 2.6.5 is in sarge now, so yes. |
| 03:29.25 | sabin | no no no!... GNOME not kernel |
| 03:29.31 | KrytenX | he means gnome |
| 03:29.32 | gravity | ah |
| 03:29.43 | gravity | sabin: Hopefully. That's the idea, but we'll have to see if it holds up |
| 03:29.52 | sabin | cool |
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| 03:30.09 | cafuego | gravity: but long-range |
| 03:30.15 | sabin | if it does... i might just install a debian stable and not upgrade for a while |
| 03:30.20 | gravity | heh |
| 03:30.33 | gravity | sabin: Well, sarge is a ways away from being stable |
| 03:30.38 | gravity | sabin: It's not even frozen yet |
| 03:30.44 | cafuego | Gnome 2.6? WHo gives a crap? |
| 03:31.11 | dan2 | cafuego: if you look up Gnome in the dictionary, it means piece of shit |
| 03:31.12 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:31.13 | simonrvn | how do you do an examples/ dir ? dn_installexamples? is there such a thing? |
| 03:31.17 | dan2 | !dict gnome |
| 03:31.19 | dpkg | Dictionary 'gnome' (3 shown; 6 total): 2. A dwarf; a goblin; a person of small stature or misshapen features, or of strange appearance. ;; a short pithy saying expressing a general truth ;; a legendary creature resembling a tiny old man; lives in the depths of the earth and guards buried treasure. |
| 03:31.35 | cafuego | dan2: I *would* agree, but seeing as it's you who said it, I disagree. |
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| 03:31.38 | gravity | simonrvn: You guessed it |
| 03:31.39 | dan2 | simonrvn: dh_installexamples |
| 03:31.45 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 03:32.08 | dan2 | simonrvn: then create debian.<pkgname>.examples |
| 03:32.12 | dan2 | simonrvn: then create debian/<pkgname>.examples |
| 03:32.13 | dan2 | blah |
| 03:32.25 | sabin | gravity, i'm continuing ugrade, i'm gonna apply the patch |
| 03:32.32 | gravity | sabin: Ok |
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| 03:35.16 | dan2 | simonrvn: dpkg -L debhelper |
| 03:35.42 | simonrvn | aah, ok. thanks |
| 03:36.24 | simonrvn | and to do examples per package? there's 3 packages in this thing |
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| 03:36.38 | simonrvn | nm |
| 03:36.43 | dan2 | simonrvn: then create debian/<pkgname>.examples |
| 03:36.46 | dan2 | simonrvn: :) |
| 03:37.18 | dan2 | simonrvn: having trouble doing maintaining? |
| 03:37.54 | simonrvn | dan2: i'm not a dd |
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| 03:38.11 | dan2 | simonrvn: neither am I, but I have a bunch of packages in the distro |
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| 03:40.12 | dan2 | !info kernel-patch-redhat |
| 03:40.15 | dpkg | kernel-patch-redhat: (Redhat patch to the kernel), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1302 kB, Installed size: 1392 kB |
| 03:40.19 | sabin | gravity, i just upgraded + applied patch, restarted all x-win related stuff (daemons and all), it seems all good |
| 03:40.20 | dan2 | ~maint siproxd |
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| 03:40.29 | dan2 | !maint siproxd |
| 03:40.34 | dpkg | siproxd: Dan Weber <dan@mirrorlynx.com> |
| 03:40.38 | lloyd | i rebooted recently,and now i have no network connection. ifconfig says: eth0: Link Encap: UNSPEC instead of "Ethernet" . any ideas? |
| 03:40.40 | numist_ | what file would I edit to change the welcome message for ssh connections? |
| 03:40.56 | dan2 | apt: you are slow |
| 03:40.57 | apt | dan2: what are you talking about? |
| 03:40.59 | cafuego | apt: wb |
| 03:41.00 | apt | thx |
| 03:41.07 | Psyke | i have "*/30 * * * * env DISPLAY=:0.) /usr/bin/fbsetbg -R /home/psyke/.fluxbox/backgrounds" in cron... and for some reason root gets an e-mail every time it runs saying 'command psyke not found' |
| 03:41.13 | gravity | sabin: Great to hear. I'm hoping a new X build comes out so I don't have to patch myself any time soon |
| 03:41.30 | lfs | lloyd: your card is not recognized by the kernel |
| 03:42.03 | sabin | gravity, are u just lazy or simply don't want to use a patch |
| 03:42.10 | gravity | sabin: Lazy |
| 03:42.11 | Gnea | Psyke: DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 03:42.35 | cafuego | laziness is a virtuae, amongst sysadmins. |
| 03:42.36 | lloyd | lfs: it had been using the e100 / eepro100 modules no problem, and they are loading now...? |
| 03:43.11 | Psyke | Gnea yea i have that... just a typo |
| 03:43.17 | sabin | gravity, anyhow u do as u please, thanks a lot for the help and the heads up, help is always welcome |
| 03:43.22 | lfs | something is changed in the kernel |
| 03:43.22 | Gnea | i can't even get X to work right anymore |
| 03:43.30 | mick_laptop | anyone here ever get: ~bash: /usr/bin/who: Input/output error |
| 03:43.36 | numist_ | reask: what file would I edit to change the welcome message for ssh connections? |
| 03:43.36 | Gnea | something broke and i don't know what |
| 03:43.49 | mick_laptop | i think that there is a) bug in bash 2) i've been hacked |
| 03:43.53 | lloyd | lfs: i booted that kernel before - it's debian's prebuilt 2.6.6 |
| 03:44.02 | mick_laptop | s/a/1/ |
| 03:44.10 | gravity | sabin: No problem |
| 03:44.22 | mick_laptop | google doesn't say much |
| 03:44.27 | mick_laptop | :/ |
| 03:44.47 | cafuego | mick_laptop: if's a website, it has neither a mouth nor a voice. |
| 03:44.58 | mick_laptop | ~bash: /usr/bin/w: Input/output error, ~bash: /usr/bin/mysql: Input/output error |
| 03:45.21 | mick_laptop | cafuego: ya its a website - but its hardened |
| 03:45.33 | mick_laptop | only 22, 80, 443 are open |
| 03:45.46 | cafuego | !thwap mick_laptop |
| 03:45.49 | mick_laptop | and its all up to date |
| 03:45.53 | Guerin | mick_laptop: what makes you think you've been 0wned? |
| 03:46.08 | mick_laptop | this: ~bash: /usr/bin/who: Input/output error |
| 03:46.11 | cafuego | mick_laptop: Run an strace on 'who' and see where it fails. |
| 03:46.12 | mick_laptop | ls works |
| 03:46.31 | mick_laptop | cafuego: it happens on most commands |
| 03:46.37 | mick_laptop | ls, and cd are fine |
| 03:46.41 | mick_laptop | su is fucked though |
| 03:46.43 | Guerin | mick_laptop: no, that shouldn't make you think that ... that sounds like some sort of configuration error or corruption of some kind |
| 03:46.53 | mick_laptop | i hope so |
| 03:47.01 | Guerin | mick_laptop: are you able to log in via ssh? |
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| 03:47.20 | mick_laptop | yes |
| 03:47.35 | cafuego | Guerin: it might be a badly patched kernel mode execvp() ;-) |
| 03:47.37 | mick_laptop | i unplugged it though |
| 03:47.50 | mick_laptop | to reduce damage (if it is indead an attack) |
| 03:48.00 | cafuego | mick_laptop: do the strace |
| 03:48.04 | Guerin | mick_laptop: what sort of server is it? Do you own the whole box, or is it a virtual, etc. |
| 03:48.20 | mick_laptop | Guerin: its mine |
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| 03:48.27 | sabin | is there any known fix to installing synaptic? |
| 03:48.27 | mick_laptop | i host myself |
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| 03:48.59 | mick_laptop | its an older box, w/ debian testing and 2.6 kernel |
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| 03:49.25 | cafuego | testing may be up-to-date, but that doesn't mean it's exploit-free. |
| 03:49.36 | Guerin | mick_laptop: ok, do the standard things: strace, fsck, reboot, new kernel |
| 03:50.01 | gravity | #1 thing you need to know about with running testing? Security updates damn it. |
| 03:50.05 | Guerin | mick_laptop: and chkrootkit as well, just to be safe |
| 03:50.32 | mick_laptop | i do updates (security) |
| 03:50.43 | Guerin | mick_laptop: not if you run testing, you don't |
| 03:50.55 | Xenguy | mick_laptop: FWIW, rkhunter is a good '2nd opinion' for chkrootkit |
| 03:51.01 | cafuego | mick_laptop: That only works if you manually fetch the debs and dpkg -i them. |
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| 03:51.05 | lucas | ot: anybody know of a website that helps you make up a company or business name? |
| 03:51.08 | Guest79051 | When scripts are started on bootup from the rc.x directories what user is running them, is it root? |
| 03:51.13 | busboy | hi, whats the name of the program that capature keystroks? |
| 03:51.23 | cafuego | lucas: dictionary.com |
| 03:51.24 | Guerin | lucas: babelfish.altavista.com |
| 03:51.32 | Guerin | I like my option better |
| 03:51.40 | lucas | cafuego, Guerin thanks |
| 03:51.59 | peterS | busboy: do you mean 'showkey'? |
| 03:52.05 | cafuego | Guest79051: yes, root. |
| 03:52.06 | peterS | busboy: or 'xev'? |
| 03:52.06 | hacim | busboy: script |
| 03:52.08 | mick_laptop | the messed up thing... |
| 03:52.11 | busboy | nope |
| 03:52.19 | mick_laptop | i just did a presentation on security in linux :/ |
| 03:52.34 | Guerin | !lart mick_laptop |
| 03:52.35 | mick_laptop | and i get paid to harden boxes |
| 03:52.38 | mick_laptop | go figure |
| 03:52.40 | cafuego | mick_laptop: So, have you run strace yet or are you just complaining now? |
| 03:52.44 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 03:52.57 | lucas | Guerin: usually it's root, but sometimes it's other users, eg, www-data runs apache |
| 03:53.01 | busboy | it a monitoring program |
| 03:53.02 | hacim | when I run reportbug on a package I am only given the options normal, minor and wishlist, when the severity should be grave |
| 03:53.09 | lucas | Guerin: sorry, wrong person |
| 03:53.31 | mick_laptop | Guerin: :P |
| 03:53.44 | Gnea | ok this is starting to make SOME sense now... X was giving a bunch of unresolved symbol errors on libGLcore.a (so i reinstalled the NVIDIA drivers) and that got replaced with... (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 03:54.00 | mick_laptop | i might replace this box w/ openbsd (pf and carp are too cool) |
| 03:54.05 | Gnea | hrm perhaps glcore isn't needed anymore... |
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| 03:54.38 | Guerin | mick_laptop: no need for that, just run woody+security, unless you LIKE the pain |
| 03:54.41 | busboy | you can run it as daemon on the system to record all users keystrokes, any ideas the program call? |
| 03:54.46 | somiaj | Gnea: did ya read the nvidia how to....it says to not load 'GLcore' |
| 03:55.09 | mick_laptop | hmmm, after the restart - i don't get the error |
| 03:55.16 | mick_laptop | hmmmm :/ |
| 03:55.30 | Gnea | somiaj: naw i hadn't read it... must be a new thing... well i just commented it out anyway |
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| 03:56.04 | somiaj | Gnea: it is not a new thing, it has been that way for as long as I can rember with the nvidia linux drivers. |
| 03:56.27 | mick_laptop | you think it could be a rootkit? |
| 03:56.33 | somiaj | Gnea: though I belive it ususlaly just ignores it....and calls it a Warning |
| 03:56.41 | Guerin | mick_laptop: i doubt it, but there's only one way to be sure |
| 03:57.01 | Gnea | hrm |
| 03:57.21 | somiaj | mick_laptop: you could try chkrootkit, apt-cache search chkrootkit |
| 03:57.40 | Gnea | ok this is really fucked up |
| 03:57.54 | Gnea | i'm gonna have to reinstall |
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| 03:57.58 | Gnea | haven't done that in a few years |
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| 03:58.24 | somiaj | Gnea: you shouldn't need to do that...at worst just reinstall X..but you shouldn't need to reinstall the whole OS |
| 03:58.56 | madcooder | lucas: how do I go about getting other users to run scripts on startup. I have a service I'm running called Teamspeak (its a gaming voice chat server), but I don't really want root starting the server. |
| 03:59.14 | Gnea | somiaj: well xdm/gdm/X keeps fucking the keyboard up (ps2) so something's simply not right here |
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| 04:00.13 | peterS | madcooder: su username -c '/usr/sbin/teamspeak' |
| 04:00.19 | Gnea | somiaj: when i say 'fucking the keyboard up' i mean it just totally disables it... after commenting the GLcore bit out it'll work intermittently, but once i get back to console it'll be remapped for a little while... like every key assumes 'ctrl' is being held down when i press themm |
| 04:00.19 | peterS | madcooder: put that in your init script |
| 04:00.33 | madcooder | alright |
| 04:00.36 | madcooder | cool thanks :-) |
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| 04:01.27 | Gnea | ok i'll figure this out later |
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| 04:01.36 | mick_laptop | oh shit - i know how someone could have gotten in |
| 04:01.37 | lucas | madcooder: don't really know, you could try something simple like 'su nobody -c /opt/bin/TeamSpeak2' there's probably a neater way to do it though |
| 04:01.39 | mick_laptop | shit |
| 04:01.46 | mick_laptop | i need to read my logs now |
| 04:01.47 | somiaj | Gnea: well you can disable ?dm, and X from starting at boot up and then try to a) figure out the problem, or --purge all the X stuff and reinstall it. |
| 04:02.22 | busboy | it keylogger |
| 04:02.33 | Xenguy | Indeed |
| 04:02.42 | Xenguy | wrong window |
| 04:02.51 | Gnea | somiaj: did that, i guess i could reinstall X... but at this piont in time i'd rather go out and have a few beers :) |
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| 04:03.19 | Bill | is there any way to take the "config" I have on this working kernel that I apt-got and load it into this 2.6.6 kernel im about to compile? |
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| 04:03.59 | peterS | Bill: yeah. look in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 04:04.08 | peterS | Bill: copy that to ".config" in the directory of the kernel you want to compile |
| 04:04.12 | peterS | Bill: then run 'make oldconfig' |
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| 04:04.22 | peterS | Bill: then run 'make menuconfig' and change whatever you want to change |
| 04:04.25 | mgrenon | nimpad still busted? |
| 04:04.32 | mgrenon | dang |
| 04:04.42 | madcooder | ok |
| 04:04.48 | Bill | peterS ok and then there is no way it can be all messed up? like my nic cant not work and stuff right? |
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| 04:04.58 | madcooder | lucas: thanks for yor help |
| 04:05.00 | madcooder | your |
| 04:05.04 | Bill | since its working now. |
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| 04:05.10 | peterS | Bill: anything *can* happen. but that will duplicate the config as closely as possible |
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| 04:05.25 | Bill | peterS aighty is there a big different between 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 04:05.38 | peterS | Bill: in practice, if you take a 2.6.6 config and apply it to some other 2.6 kernel and run 'make oldconfig', it will not have to change much |
| 04:05.50 | peterS | Bill: between 2.4 and 2.6 there are important config differences in certain areas, yes |
| 04:06.04 | Bill | :0( dang |
| 04:06.20 | Mahdi | could anybody help me plz? when I load gnome I get a msg telling that an error has ocurred when starting gnome conf and some functinos wont work. THe error msg ischild process did not give an error message, unknown failure occurred. What could b wrong? ;( |
| 04:06.36 | opp | i have gaim running, but mi frens cannot receive my im and see me as offline,why? |
| 04:06.37 | cafuego | !info php4-curl |
| 04:06.42 | dpkg | php4-curl: (CURL module for php4), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.4-4 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 04:07.01 | mgrenon | !info xfree86-common |
| 04:07.07 | dpkg | xfree86-common: (X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 678 kB, Installed size: 1032 kB |
| 04:07.17 | mgrenon | thats the busted version isnt it |
| 04:07.24 | peterS | Bill: one good example: the UHCI USB controller driver config option has changed (along with the driver itself) from CONFIG_USB_UHCI to CONFIG_USB_UHCI_HCD |
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| 04:08.09 | Guerin | mgrenon: works for me |
| 04:08.16 | mgrenon | Guerin: they fixed it? |
| 04:08.22 | Guerin | mgrenon: works for me |
| 04:08.29 | mgrenon | okay but was it ever broke for you |
| 04:08.32 | Bill | I dont think I have any usb on this server |
| 04:09.26 | mgrenon | brb |
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| 04:11.49 | Nilbus | if you install udev and have devfs on in the kernel, does udev take over? |
| 04:11.51 | Nilbus | Some other modules are complaining about me taking out devfs support. Can I leave it in and still use udev? |
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| 04:13.12 | ||Poseidon|| | the cds 2,3,4,5,6,7 are only packages ? |
| 04:14.19 | somiaj | ||Poseidon||: they do contain alternative boot flavors (kernels) but they are mostly packages....if ya have a good inet connenction you can get away with only the first cd (or alternativally a net or mini install iso) |
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| 04:14.49 | somiaj | ||Poseidon||: if not I would suggest the first 2 cds, as those should contain most - all the packages that are higly used. |
| 04:15.51 | ||Poseidon|| | thank you |
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| 04:23.42 | opp | mi gaim cannot see mybonline frens,can anyone help? |
| 04:24.00 | noddaba | I need a little help with using UML. I can't get networking working. I followed a bunch of howto's, was able to setup a bridge between tap0 and the host |
| 04:24.19 | noddaba | 's eth0. i was also able to start UML and get eth0 on the guest configured |
| 04:24.36 | noddaba | but i still can't ping anything. |
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| 04:24.51 | The_Vulture | damn overloaded acronyms.. |
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| 04:25.30 | [--Eskimo--] | hi |
| 04:25.38 | noddaba | The_Vulture: lol |
| 04:25.49 | opp | my gain does not show my online frens,im seen as offline to them too, pls help? |
| 04:25.58 | [--Eskimo--] | is sarge coming with a manual handbook? |
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| 04:26.31 | dondelelcaro | [--Eskimo--]: it always comes with an install manual. |
| 04:26.39 | mgrenon | hmm whats a MTA good for :/ |
| 04:26.43 | dondelelcaro | !mta |
| 04:26.43 | dpkg | well, mta is a mail transfer agent, in other words sendmail or any of its replacements (such as exim-tls, postfix-tls, qmail, ssmtp, zmail, etc).. |
| 04:26.45 | something__ | what so good about Hurd install? |
| 04:26.56 | dondelelcaro | something__: uh, it's the Hurd? |
| 04:27.07 | dondelelcaro | something__: ask obvious hurd questions in #hurd |
| 04:27.32 | mgrenon | what does hurd have to do with debian?? |
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| 04:27.44 | LoRez | mgrenon: debian/hurd |
| 04:27.46 | [--Eskimo--] | dondelelcaro why does anybody need an installation manual? i need a configuration manual.. with reference to handy software.. debian scripts |
| 04:27.49 | dondelelcaro | mgrenon: besides the fact that there is Debian/Hurd? |
| 04:27.52 | mgrenon | !! |
| 04:27.52 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 04:27.59 | something__ | yeah debian hurd! |
| 04:27.59 | scarynetworkguy | game without frontiers |
| 04:28.04 | dondelelcaro | [--Eskimo--]: uh, then you probably want to read the debian quick reference |
| 04:28.08 | dondelelcaro | !quick reference |
| 04:28.08 | dpkg | well, reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of you questions about Debian. latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 04:28.08 | something__ | I guess you guys don't know what I'm asking. |
| 04:28.21 | mgrenon | i still dont trust hurd |
| 04:28.23 | mgrenon | :) |
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| 04:28.34 | dondelelcaro | something__: then what are you asking about? |
| 04:28.36 | scarynetworkguy | stupid hurn |
| 04:28.38 | mitrick | hello |
| 04:28.41 | scarynetworkguy | hurd |
| 04:28.46 | mitrick | im an slackware 9.1 user |
| 04:28.48 | something__ | dondelelcaro, the debian hurl installation |
| 04:28.48 | scarynetworkguy | wait for the question |
| 04:28.57 | [--Eskimo--] | dondelelcaro "quick" yeah right. i'm talking serious.. |
| 04:29.04 | mitrick | i was thinking of trying debian tomorrow |
| 04:29.07 | scarynetworkguy | damn too late to claim that I called it |
| 04:29.08 | something__ | dondelelcaro, http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install |
| 04:29.14 | mitrick | how is debian? |
| 04:29.15 | dondelelcaro | [--Eskimo--]: uh, it is serious, actually. |
| 04:29.19 | mick_laptop | i found my problem from before |
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| 04:29.26 | dondelelcaro | !tell mitrick about why debian |
| 04:29.33 | mick_laptop | it was an ssh problem |
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| 04:29.46 | dondelelcaro | something__: yes, questions about it are best asked in #hurd |
| 04:30.10 | something__ | dondelelcaro, oh ok, |
| 04:30.19 | mgrenon | is a MTA considered useless to a single user machine? |
| 04:30.31 | [--Eskimo--] | dondelelcaro i installed knoppix one hour ago.. if youd seen what i've seen you would know what i mean |
| 04:30.33 | scarynetworkguy | i heard that people who use hurd eat california cheeseburgers |
| 04:30.50 | dondelelcaro | mgrenon: no. However, there's generally no point of a full fledged MTA on such a machine. |
| 04:30.52 | mick_laptop | wildcards in google are awsome ;) |
| 04:31.03 | scarynetworkguy | I've seen things you people wouldnt believe |
| 04:31.03 | dondelelcaro | mgrenon: you probably would be better off with nullmailer or ssmtp. |
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| 04:31.28 | dondelelcaro | scarynetworkguy: uh, california has one of the world's best cheeseburgers, actually... at a place called In-N-Out. |
| 04:32.07 | hiweed | hey all, can you setup VMware successfully? I met errors: |
| 04:32.07 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro true that. but a claifonia cheeseburger is a specific refrence. google on it. :) |
| 04:32.08 | hiweed | Building the vmnet module. |
| 04:32.08 | hiweed | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.08 | hiweed | Using standalone build system. |
| 04:32.08 | hiweed | make: Entering directory `/tmp/vmware-config1/vmnet-only' |
| 04:32.08 | hiweed | bridge.c: In function `VNetBridgeReceiveFromVNet': |
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| 04:32.24 | scarynetworkguy | Prison Sex |
| 04:32.28 | mgrenon | tool |
| 04:32.30 | yehrcl | dondelelcaro, no, in argentina we have the best |
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| 04:32.45 | scarynetworkguy | mgrenon 1 point for you |
| 04:32.51 | mgrenon | yes! |
| 04:33.06 | Henners | pffft, that was an easy one |
| 04:33.16 | [--Eskimo--] | dondelelcaro for ex : X configuration was made with extreme accuracy and it calculated video modelines. if you installed debian how would youi calculate modelines? |
| 04:33.29 | dondelelcaro | yehrcl: note the difference between "one of the world's best" and "the world's best" |
| 04:33.46 | yehrcl | dondelelcaro, sorry |
| 04:33.53 | dondelelcaro | [--Eskimo--]: neither of them calculate modelines. The most common modelines are already included in X itself. |
| 04:34.16 | dondelelcaro | yehrcl: not that I really could compare the two anyway... but In-N-Out's hamburgers are pretty top notch... |
| 04:34.35 | [--Eskimo--] | dondelelcaro modelines are very dependet to the monitor caracteristics |
| 04:34.48 | dondelelcaro | [--Eskimo--]: uh, no, they're not. |
| 04:34.48 | [--Eskimo--] | so they can't be generalized |
| 04:35.15 | mgrenon | oyster bar |
| 04:35.30 | dondelelcaro | [--Eskimo--]: and yes, the can be generalized. There's a list of about 1000 standard modelines that an X server runs through when trying to match your HSync and VSync. |
| 04:35.42 | scarynetworkguy | but somebody needs to bring the beer |
| 04:35.42 | yehrcl | "debian 4.0 cheeseburger" |
| 04:35.55 | dondelelcaro | [--Eskimo--]: if you're entering modelines into your XF86Config-4, you're working too hard. |
| 04:36.21 | mgrenon | I can't remember how much I have had (burp) I dranks a twelve pack.. with my dad |
| 04:36.26 | sussudio | ricky_clarkson: crabs |
| 04:36.27 | [--Eskimo--] | dondelelcaro vsync and hsync and monitor "size" <-- am i wrong? |
| 04:36.30 | scarynetworkguy | Wrapped Around Your Finger |
| 04:36.37 | Justin | dondelelcaro: heh, I had to on this shitty 800x600 monitor, granted it is a copy and paste from the X3 modeline, wonder why 4 wouldn't figure it out itself |
| 04:36.40 | dondelelcaro | [--Eskimo--]: yes. that's monitor resolution. They're totally different. |
| 04:36.54 | scarynetworkguy | crabs are natures perfect food. They even come with a pop top :) |
| 04:36.55 | dondelelcaro | Justin: yeah... some monitors don't have the right modelines... |
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| 04:37.09 | Justin | actually, I think i need to disable ddc, then it would work |
| 04:37.20 | dondelelcaro | Justin: ah... could be. I know my laptop has to have a modeline... |
| 04:37.32 | mgrenon | if all else fails disconnect power cable |
| 04:37.33 | dondelelcaro | (or, at least, it did when I started into this madness) |
| 04:37.42 | Justin | or whatever it is, if you run get-edid |parse-edid, the only mode it gets is 275x275 |
| 04:37.51 | mgrenon | press degauss 500 times |
| 04:38.05 | [--Eskimo--] | dondelelcaro fact is that debconf doesn't create those modelines when configuring X server.. |
| 04:38.18 | dondelelcaro | [--Eskimo--]: because *IT DOESN'T NEED TO* |
| 04:38.26 | scarynetworkguy | mgrenon flip the power switch as fast as you can 500 times |
| 04:38.27 | dondelelcaro | [--Eskimo--]: those are all a function of the X server. |
| 04:38.43 | mgrenon | hehe |
| 04:38.45 | dondelelcaro | [--Eskimo--]: if you tell it which resolutions you want to use, it'll figure out which modelines are allowed all by itself, by default. |
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| 04:39.05 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro you mean machines can do math?!? |
| 04:39.06 | [--Eskimo--] | but the X server doesn't rely on /etc/X11/FXF86Config-4? |
| 04:39.13 | mgrenon | 1alright what the hell is a modeline |
| 04:39.19 | kisielk | does anyone know of a guide to doing a monitor-less install of Debian? |
| 04:39.30 | [--Eskimo--] | dondelelcaro or it creates modelines when it needs them? |
| 04:39.33 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: it's the same as an install with a monitor. |
| 04:39.34 | kisielk | maybe some boot image that starts up the network and sshd automatically so you can install from there? |
| 04:39.47 | scarynetworkguy | mgrenon back in the dark ages you had to tell X much more detail about your monitor than you do now. Basically a modline is a way of doing that |
| 04:39.51 | dondelelcaro | [--Eskimo--]: it does, but the modelines that it is using are compiled in to X, or available in configuration files included with X. |
| 04:40.00 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: heh, I think that's the problem |
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| 04:40.11 | kisielk | dondelelcaro: it's kind of hard to pick things on the menu when you can't see them :D |
| 04:40.28 | mgrenon | scarynetworkguy: how about an example? |
| 04:40.29 | mgrenon | :) |
| 04:40.30 | exobyte | Are passwords stored as a hash somewhere? |
| 04:40.43 | mgrenon | corn beef hash |
| 04:40.49 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: oh, dunno if someone has such an install image. I was talking with someone earlier about it... it should be pretty trivial to bring up sshd with dhcpd and then contact (email?) the admin to let them know the ip of the machine. |
| 04:40.50 | scarynetworkguy | mgrenon oh gawd I'd be hard pressed to come with something google should have some crap though |
| 04:41.08 | mgrenon | kk |
| 04:41.11 | scarynetworkguy | mgrenon we are talking 1998 last time I thought about em |
| 04:41.20 | mgrenon | lol |
| 04:41.22 | [--Eskimo--] | dondelelcaro, cool.. maybe i've picked the wrong example.. still, that quick refereence you said have enouph information to build a desktop environment of debian from scratch? |
| 04:41.23 | dondelelcaro | kisielk: you could probably also gin up a knoppix (or ?) image to do the same, and then boot and deboostrap away. |
| 04:41.31 | mgrenon | 1998, i used to think windows was the end game |
| 04:41.32 | scarynetworkguy | I was not very good at it |
| 04:41.41 | dondelelcaro | [--Eskimo--]: that, reading appropriate manpages, and the install guide, yes. |
| 04:41.54 | scarynetworkguy | being in the Air Farce that is |
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