| 00:00.10 | Hyp3rion | SlayerXP - oh and he has been doing this for days... |
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| 00:00.11 | Blissex | arkane: for 2D is does not matter at all. The NVIDIA driver speeds up OpenGL 3D |
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| 00:00.31 | treestone | Bill2: Out of curiosity, what exactly is your box? |
| 00:00.48 | bofh80 | hey up people |
| 00:00.58 | Blissex | arkane: make sure you have a good configuration with the 'nv' (X11) driver, for example by using 'xf86cfg' to generate a new one. |
| 00:01.07 | Bill2 | treestone dual 2.4 ghz 2 gig ecc ddr hp dl140 2x 80 gig ide um... |
| 00:01.09 | Bill2 | need more? |
| 00:01.15 | bofh80 | anybody got any information on using a diamond stealth 32 with x, or a link to a good FAQ, i can't see to find one. |
| 00:01.22 | Hyp3rion | Bill2 - oh if you reboot: switch HT on! i know it's not 2 times faster, but still 30-40%... |
| 00:01.25 | SlayerXP | Bill2: is that "dual" or "ht"? |
| 00:01.26 | treestone | Bill2: Motherboard? Vendor? |
| 00:01.31 | arkane | ok, let me try that |
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| 00:01.43 | Blissex | bofh80: do a 'groups.Google.org' search, IIRC the Stealth 32 was S3 based. |
| 00:01.44 | Bill2 | hyper3rion no remember we went over this for an hour.. |
| 00:02.02 | Hyp3rion | SlayerXP - dual and would be quad with HT |
| 00:02.08 | orospakr | was dosemu recently removed from the testing and unstable repositories? It was there last week, as I recall... |
| 00:02.08 | Bill2 | slayerxp DUAL with ht it would be cpu 0 - 4 but its 2 physical cPUs |
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| 00:02.17 | arkane | i get an odd error |
| 00:02.24 | orospakr | was it because dosemu dies with kernel 2.6.5 and later? |
| 00:02.30 | arkane | when i try to run xf86cfg |
| 00:02.32 | Bill2 | treestone motherboard = um... hp ? |
| 00:02.46 | Hyp3rion | Bill2 - believe me! or just try it! smp4 is faster than smp2! |
| 00:02.53 | SlayerXP | Bill2: my lowest specced machine outperformes yours, hth. :) |
| 00:03.01 | Blissex | bofh80: in any case just try to do a search using: xf86config "diamond stealth 32" |
| 00:03.04 | Bill2 | HYP3RION NO ITS NOT when u run 2 proceesses that use up 100% of cpu! |
| 00:03.11 | treestone | Bill2: I'm asking because we have a bunch of dual-cpu xeon boxes here, mostly compac nee HP |
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| 00:03.15 | Hyp3rion | Bill2 - try it! |
| 00:03.17 | Bill2 | hyperion the other processors will b sitting there doing nothing |
| 00:03.19 | phil-j | How do I find an available (but not yet installed) package that has certain words in its description? |
| 00:03.22 | Bill2 | arg I hate u hyperion haha |
| 00:03.31 | Hyp3rion | bah! |
| 00:03.32 | Bill2 | treestone I have the dl140 |
| 00:03.34 | Nosf3ratu | Anyone know how to import evolution email/addressbook into thunderbird? |
| 00:03.44 | Blissex | phil-j: 'apt-cache search ....' |
| 00:04.34 | Bill2 | treestone when I modprobe -r tg3 it didnt say anything in dmesg |
| 00:04.36 | Bill2 | is that ok? |
| 00:04.38 | Hyp3rion | Bill2 - if you want to know the 2.6.x kernels have special patch for HT so it will do correctly balance! just try it! or give me your smp4 box if you cannot use it! |
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| 00:05.03 | jbr | orospakr: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dosemu.html |
| 00:05.04 | Bill2 | also when I did modprobe tg3 it didnt change .. (unless I can like scroll down or something) |
| 00:05.06 | bofh80 | Blissex: thanks. very helpful. :) |
| 00:05.20 | treestone | Bill2: Not ok, it should say _something_. Well at least it means the driver didn't detect any hardware :-( |
| 00:05.26 | Bill2 | hype3rion HELLO the 2.6 kernels not working on my machine right now thanks. |
| 00:05.31 | treestone | Bill2: BTW, hyperthreading works in 2.4.. |
| 00:05.38 | Bill2 | treestone I know it works |
| 00:05.39 | Bill2 | I dont want it |
| 00:05.42 | Bill2 | forget about HT |
| 00:05.48 | Bill2 | no one say ht 2 me thanks |
| 00:05.48 | Hyp3rion | KrytenX? |
| 00:05.50 | Bill2 | I dont want it |
| 00:05.50 | Bill2 | thanks |
| 00:06.02 | treestone | Bill2: Ah, modprobe -r just removes the driver, I'm really interested in just 'modprobe tg3' |
| 00:06.06 | Hyp3rion | !what does KrytenX pay for you? |
| 00:06.15 | KrytenX | the hardware, it deserves love |
| 00:06.24 | Bill2 | treestone dmesg didnt change at all |
| 00:06.55 | Bill2 | treestone do I have to restart to see the changes? |
| 00:06.56 | Blissex | bofh80: actually the Stealth 32 has an ancient ET4000/W32p chipset. I am not sure the driver is in XFree86 4; you may have to use an XFree86 3.x server. |
| 00:07.01 | treestone | Bill2: You're certain that the driver wasn't loaded before you modprobe'd it? |
| 00:07.42 | hooya | Hyp3rion, you won't believe this. there is a grub-disk package. if you dd the image in there, the whole grub-install becomes moot. heh.. |
| 00:07.44 | arkane | yup, failed to start "X -configure |
| 00:07.45 | Bill2 | treestone I had it as M when I compiled I watned to make sure. |
| 00:07.51 | Bill2 | not a * |
| 00:08.12 | hooya | any GRUB experts here?? |
| 00:08.26 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: pillage? |
| 00:08.30 | Bill2 | I did lsmod and tg3 wasnt on there |
| 00:08.31 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 00:08.35 | treestone | Bill2: 'modprobe -r tg3', 'lsmod' to check that it isn't there, 'modprobe tg3', 'lsmod' to see that it's there, 'dmesg' to see if there's any output from the driver |
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| 00:09.02 | treestone | Bill2: If no dmesg output, then the driver failed to probe the nic. |
| 00:09.06 | Hyp3rion | hooya - #grub! |
| 00:09.47 | Bill2 | ok rebooting with the tg3 not in |
| 00:09.56 | Bill2 | typing dmesg to see what it looks like |
| 00:09.57 | hooya | can't get 'ifconfig' in grub to work. says 'unrecognized command'. |
| 00:10.00 | simonrvn | petemc: you hardly ever have problems that i see :) |
| 00:10.15 | simonrvn | hooya: ... |
| 00:10.18 | Bill2 | last thing in dmesg = IPv6 over IP4 tunnering driver |
| 00:10.18 | Hyp3rion | hooya - sure. grub is "just" a bootloader. |
| 00:10.20 | LinuxJones | hooya: ifconfig is for network interfaces |
| 00:10.35 | phil-j | Blissex: Thanks. |
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| 00:10.59 | Bill2 | treestone should I read from just typeing dmesg? or /var/log/dmesg ?? |
| 00:11.01 | Bill2 | becuae they r different |
| 00:11.19 | hooya | Hyp3rion, grub supports network booting just like i'm trying to setup. kinda like etherboot.. |
| 00:11.49 | Bill2 | threestone neither changed when I modprobe tg3 no text entered at all. |
| 00:11.51 | Hyp3rion | hooya - hmm... then try help it lists all commands |
| 00:11.53 | treestone | Bill2: /var/log/dmesg is just the snapshot of the kernel ringbuffer at boot, if you want to check what's happening right now then use the 'dmesg' command |
| 00:11.56 | hooya | Hyp3rion, to configure that you get commands like 'ifconfig' etc.. within grub. but i can't get it to work. the manual says it's available.. |
| 00:12.08 | thu2 | i have a dwl-520 d-link 802.11b wireless card and all the wireless modules compiled to my kernel but i can't load the modules properly, can anyone help? |
| 00:12.09 | petemc | simonrvn: :) |
| 00:12.36 | hooya | Hyp3rion, #grub is dead-er than a door knob. |
| 00:12.41 | Bill2 | treestone yeah dmesg didnt change at all. |
| 00:12.55 | LinuxJones | hooya: what are you trying to do ? |
| 00:13.27 | Hyp3rion | hooya :-D |
| 00:13.34 | Hyp3rion | [instant poet] |
| 00:14.03 | treestone | Bill2: If you do the same with 2.4 you should see something. You could collect the output of lspci from 2.4 (you said it was different, right?) and 2.6 and ask on the linux kernel mailing list what could cause the 2.6 tg3 driver to not see the nic. |
| 00:14.06 | Hyp3rion | LinuxJones - he's trying to netboot 4 machines with no cd and no bootable cd. |
| 00:14.06 | hooya | LinuxJones, getting a bunch of diskless machines (only have a floppy driver in 'em) to boot from the floppy then get images off of a tftp server then mount the root over NFS |
| 00:14.08 | Bill2 | treestone I really wonder why 2.6 registers the lspci a lot different the the 2.4 lspci |
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| 00:14.30 | LinuxJones | hooya: ahhh |
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| 00:14.35 | Hyp3rion | s/cd/fd/ |
| 00:14.57 | Hyp3rion | Bill2 - do you have module-init-tools? |
| 00:15.00 | Bill2 | yes |
| 00:15.01 | StartBuck | Bill2: are you using an "official" debian 2.6 kernel or did you compile it yourself? |
| 00:15.02 | Bill2 | haha |
| 00:15.08 | treestone | Bill2: 'lspci -n' should at least show the same numbers in 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 00:15.08 | Bill2 | starbuck myself |
| 00:15.16 | Bill2 | had to to put wolk pack on it |
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| 00:15.38 | Bill2 | treestone umm.... yeah possible just differnet like words hehe |
| 00:15.41 | KrytenX | why do you need wolk |
| 00:15.55 | Bill2 | becuase I just did becuase it had broadcom drivers in it |
| 00:15.57 | Bill2 | thought it would help |
| 00:15.59 | StartBuck | Bill2: what does "modinfo tg3" give you? |
| 00:15.59 | Bill2 | guess not |
| 00:15.59 | Bill2 | hehe |
| 00:16.09 | Bill2 | (had both tg3 and bcm5700 drivers in kernel compile opions) |
| 00:16.13 | hooya | Hyp3rion, didn't even realize i was being a poet ;) |
| 00:16.14 | Bill2 | umm.. |
| 00:16.29 | Bill2 | about 60 lines of alias pci: 298235632956293856242453 |
| 00:16.31 | hooya | Hyp3rion, that's instant stealth poet. ;) |
| 00:16.36 | Bill2 | (not exact numbers) |
| 00:16.52 | hooya | why not? |
| 00:17.07 | Bill2 | starbuck on on the top (scrolled up) desctiptyion broadcom tigon ethernet driver |
| 00:17.08 | StartBuck | Bill2: and which exact version of the Broadcom NIC is it that you have? The broadcom NIC in my laptop only works under the bcm5700 drivers, not with the tg3 ones....have you tried the bcm5700 one? |
| 00:17.20 | Bill2 | I have the bcm5704 |
| 00:17.33 | Bill2 | yes I have the bcm5700 module also loaded |
| 00:17.37 | Bill2 | doesnt seem to b working |
| 00:17.39 | kvn | Here is my haiku: |
| 00:17.49 | kvn | Zero one two three |
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| 00:17.57 | kvn | Four five six seven eight nine |
| 00:18.02 | kvn | ten eleven twelve. |
| 00:18.11 | KrytenX | !give kvn a hand |
| 00:18.12 | rooti | hi! can anyone install flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 00:18.20 | LinuxJones | hooya, check out this link it may be of help to you http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=606 |
| 00:18.27 | StartBuck | Bill2: trying to load both doesn't sound good |
| 00:18.41 | arkane | i get an error saying screen not found |
| 00:18.44 | Bill2 | tree how do I get onto this ..mailing list? how long does it take 2 get an answer? server is due in colocation in 12 hours |
| 00:18.56 | phogg | rooti: I'm afraid that is something we must each do oursekves. |
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| 00:19.06 | kvn | Bill2: Then perhaps you should pay someone who knows what they are doing. |
| 00:19.22 | KrytenX | what colo, so i know not to do business with them |
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| 00:19.33 | Bill2 | kvn have you seen my baseball? |
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| 00:19.43 | windoz_hax0r | yonkeltron, wheres my recycle bin? |
| 00:19.46 | kvn | Bill2: Let's not get sexual here. |
| 00:19.47 | windoz_hax0r | err |
| 00:19.47 | Bill2 | krytenx why would you say that? |
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| 00:19.53 | windoz_hax0r | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.57 | Bill2 | krytenx level3 seattle if u care. |
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| 00:20.09 | sch_p | hey all |
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| 00:20.18 | phogg | windoz_hax0r: are you a troll? |
| 00:20.28 | Bill2 | kvn we are above and beyond sexual trust me. |
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| 00:20.52 | sch_p | i am a gentoo user trying debian, and i totally dont know how to use apt-get, i am using the minimal install cd, i got to the part where u have to use dselect, and am lost |
| 00:21.01 | hooya | LinuxJones, thanks. can't believe that howto was sitting on my harddrive all along. it was prolly laughing at my punk ass for spending a whole day running around trying things.. |
| 00:21.02 | kvn | Bill2: I'm just fucking with you (not literally). You need to plan better than to build a server 12 hours before it goes into colo. |
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| 00:21.16 | sch_p | :-/ |
| 00:21.19 | LinuxJones | hooya, heh they are buried on there :D |
| 00:21.19 | Hyp3rion | !tell Marctraider -about root |
| 00:21.30 | Bill2 | kvn been 2 weeks 5 days. |
| 00:21.31 | sch_p | i wanna use apt=-get manually, but commands like "apt-get lynx" say |
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| 00:21.44 | sch_p | that it exists in the list, but no version is give |
| 00:21.45 | petemc | sch_p: man apt-get |
| 00:21.46 | kvn | Bill2: So, see my first comment about hiring someone who knows what they are doing. |
| 00:21.47 | sch_p | *(given |
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| 00:22.02 | Bill2 | kvn have you seen my angry gumbal? |
| 00:22.05 | sch_p | petemc that doesnt seem to work :-( |
| 00:22.07 | Bill2 | or my fluffy starfish? |
| 00:22.20 | sch_p | petemc: can you just tell me how i can install anything!? |
| 00:22.25 | kvn | BTW, you said you needed broadcom drivers on this thing? |
| 00:22.28 | hooya | or my woody? |
| 00:22.36 | SMB[aw] | sch_p: did u use tasksel to get the basic packages? |
| 00:22.37 | AfgBaby | I'll show you a woody |
| 00:22.38 | sch_p | petemc: do i have to run "apt-get update"? because that doesnt work either :-( |
| 00:22.41 | Brian___ | how do I adjust mixer volumes with alsa? |
| 00:22.45 | sch_p | sch_p: no |
| 00:22.46 | Brian___ | is there a command for that? |
| 00:22.52 | thomas_adam | sch_p: What's up? |
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| 00:23.02 | kvn | What exactly is the purpose when you are colocated? |
| 00:23.03 | Bill2 | hwo do I get on this maillist everyone is talking about? |
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| 00:23.09 | LinuxJones | sch_p, apt-setup to create some repositories to download from |
| 00:23.11 | Bill2 | kvn fast internet |
| 00:23.12 | kvn | Which maillist? |
| 00:23.12 | sch_p | sch_p: i didnt--it asked me if i wanted to and i said know, because i know exactly what i want |
| 00:23.14 | hooya | AfgBaby, i was talking about the distro |
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| 00:23.22 | AfgBaby | oo my bad |
| 00:23.22 | Bill2 | garanteed no power outage 1000% up teim |
| 00:23.23 | Bill2 | time |
| 00:23.23 | SMB[aw] | sch_p: try running tasksel as root, and install just some basic packages, after the first reboot |
| 00:23.24 | sch_p | sch_p: xfree, kde, and firefox |
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| 00:23.33 | hooya | AfgBaby, lol |
| 00:23.34 | Bill2 | better pings. |
| 00:23.38 | kvn | Bill2: Yeah but what broadcom hardware do you have? |
| 00:23.42 | kvn | I thought they did wireless. |
| 00:23.42 | heLmos | where are creative modem drivers ????????? |
| 00:23.43 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: ok.... |
| 00:23.50 | hollywoodb | how come when I do 'cp mynewfile' it doesn't copy it? |
| 00:23.54 | treestone | Bill2: What numbers do you get for that card from 'lspci -n' (The hex:hex numbers before the '(rev' part) |
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| 00:23.56 | FieldySnuts | !ep |
| 00:23.56 | thomas_adam | I quote from bghfhfg, as of 2 seconds ago: |
| 00:23.57 | dpkg | Stop!!! Using!!!! So!!!!! Much!!!!! Punctuation!!!!!!!!!!! It's ..... Irritating ..... As ..... All .... Hell!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:23.59 | thomas_adam | <bghfhfg> It should be noted that there is no official definition of "troll", and that the term is almost always applied as an insult; for example, an individual posting honestly-held opinions that are considered controversial by the majority is often labeled as a troll. A troll's primary incentive is said to be the incitement of hot words, paranoia and bad feelings. See the section on "Usage", below. |
| 00:24.04 | LinuxJones | sch_p, sorry didn't see you were in the middle of an install :( |
| 00:24.16 | SMB[aw] | sch_p: if u know what packages u want, just use apt-get install <package> |
| 00:24.18 | sch_p | dpkg: yo |
| 00:24.19 | dpkg | Wazzup man? |
| 00:24.22 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:24.26 | kvn | thomas_adam: Unless this were #fishing, in which case trolling is a perfectly good idea in the ocean. |
| 00:24.38 | Bill2 | treestone ummm... I get about 10 lines full of numbers.. u want me to type them all out? |
| 00:24.39 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: that doesnt work!!! :-( |
| 00:24.41 | heLmos | creative modem ??? |
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| 00:25.02 | treestone | Bill2: No, only from the line for your nic card! |
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| 00:25.03 | thomas_adam | kvn: That's trauling. |
| 00:25.12 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: it says it isnt availabe or something |
| 00:25.14 | SMB[aw] | sch_p: then something is wrong with your install.. if it's a fresh one, just start again. =) |
| 00:25.17 | Bill2 | treestone ohh I cant do the -n then |
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| 00:25.30 | treestone | Bill2: Should be starting with 14e4: |
| 00:25.33 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: aww c'mon |
| 00:25.37 | kvn | thomas_adam: Negatory. http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=troll&x=0&y=0 |
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| 00:25.47 | heLmos | heyyyyyyyyyyy Ý'M HEREEEE creative modem !!! |
| 00:26.07 | AfgBaby | Can somebody help me get a release on my woody? |
| 00:26.07 | SMB[aw] | sch_p: seriously, i use debian, but this never happened to me... |
| 00:26.18 | Bill2 | treestone 000:00:10:0 Host bridge: serverworks Ci0B-E I/O Bridge with Gigabit Ethernet (rev 12) |
| 00:26.32 | mdh | sch_p: define "doesn't work" |
| 00:26.34 | hooya | AfgBaby, aren't you at wrong place looking for a release on your woody? |
| 00:26.37 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: i love gentoo, and this is ticking me off |
| 00:26.37 | FieldySnuts | !fuck SCO hard |
| 00:27.10 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: i would install gentoo here, except this is a slow computer, and i dont wanna compile |
| 00:27.11 | thomas_adam | AfgBaby is #debian's regular troll. |
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| 00:27.22 | AfgBaby | does dpkg give reach arounds? |
| 00:27.22 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: this is my first attempt at debian |
| 00:27.25 | Bill2 | treestone with the -n its 0000:00:10.0 Class 0600: 1166:0110 (rev 12) |
| 00:27.26 | thomas_adam | I really don't have time for lameness right now/ |
| 00:27.32 | SMB[aw] | sch_p: debian is nice, but u goota know u'r stuff real well... |
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| 00:27.38 | sch_p | mdH: doesnt work, doesnt do anything, just eors about stuff |
| 00:27.41 | treestone | Bill2: 1166 isn't broadcom. |
| 00:27.46 | Hyp3rion | AfgBaby - u a girl? |
| 00:27.48 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: i do! i know gentoo eally well! |
| 00:27.51 | AfgBaby | nope |
| 00:27.58 | hooya | Hyp3rion, get real.. |
| 00:27.59 | rich_ | I guess theres a lot of definitions for trolls floating around. And of course the trolls work hard to confuse them because thats what they do. Every troll thinks they are different and they think they have their own special reason which makes them different from all the rest. So Id pain them with a broad brush. I say a troll is someone who pretends to believe something they dont really believe, just to get a reaction from others. I know the |
| 00:27.59 | rich_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.03 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: i know command line pretty well, and i am a fluxbox user... |
| 00:28.07 | jj110888 | Hyp3rion, no, a smart-ass from your favorite distro out there |
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| 00:28.09 | AfgBaby | "Afghanistan Baby! Oh yeah!" |
| 00:28.14 | Hyp3rion | ya :-P~~~ then i cannot help you release on woody sorry! |
| 00:28.16 | Bill2 | treestone hehe aighty, should I go into 2.4 and see what it says there? |
| 00:28.16 | LinuxJones | rich wtf |
| 00:28.34 | treestone | Bill2: The numbers should be the same. |
| 00:28.35 | kvn | I never saw CKY3. Saw CKY2K ages ago though. |
| 00:28.37 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: lemme try reinstalling... [starts crying] |
| 00:28.40 | kvn | Never laughed so hard. |
| 00:28.42 | mdh | sch_p: if apt has a problem, it'll tell you what that problem is. it doesn't just sit there and say nothing. |
| 00:28.42 | SMB[aw] | sch_p: as i said, just try installing it again, maybe the files were corrupt when you installed or something |
| 00:28.43 | phogg | sch_p: try apt-get update |
| 00:28.46 | Bill2 | treestone magic word .. should |
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| 00:28.50 | Bill2 | treestone just a sec I will check. |
| 00:28.54 | tritium | Woohoo, tornado touch down in Indianapolis and torrential storms here in the birthplace of Debian! |
| 00:29.01 | phogg | sch_p: make sure your sources.list is set to something useful first |
| 00:29.06 | SMB[aw] | sch_p: i installed debian 5 times at the begining of my debian career |
| 00:29.12 | sch_p | phogg: it was |
| 00:29.13 | mdh | SMB[aw]: I'm suspecting the sources.list is incorrect. but to help we need something more than "doesn't work" |
| 00:29.22 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: gentoo, 3 |
| 00:29.22 | SMB[aw] | sch_p: good luck |
| 00:29.23 | rich_ | tritium Yes there was a big tornado warning for the central us |
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| 00:29.37 | AfgBaby | k got my release |
| 00:29.37 | AfgBaby | later |
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| 00:29.39 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: i can taljk with u and install debain at the wsame time |
| 00:30.51 | tritium | rich_, have you had any? |
| 00:30.51 | phogg | sch_p: please describe exactly what you want to do, and what you do, and the error you get. |
| 00:30.51 | thomas_adam | !u |
| 00:30.51 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 |
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| 00:30.51 | Bill2 | HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 00:30.51 | hooya | what a freaking lamer |
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| 00:30.51 | rich_ | tritium No, Im in oregon |
| 00:30.51 | SMB[aw] | mdh : you could be right, but that would make other things corrupt, no? |
| 00:30.51 | Bill2 | treesone its 1424 in 2.4 |
| 00:30.51 | SMB[aw] | sch_p: did u run apt-setup? |
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| 00:30.51 | Bill2 | 14e4 |
| 00:30.51 | mdh | SMB[aw]: no |
| 00:30.51 | treestone | Bill2: 1166 is just ServerWorks, I'm pretty sure the driver will have to see the Broadcom PCI id in order to recognize it |
| 00:30.51 | tritium | rich_, Okay...Funnel clouds here in Lafayette, but no touch down except in Indy so far. |
| 00:31.19 | Bill2 | treestone oh wait |
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| 00:31.19 | SMB[aw] | mdh: hmph... well, no sources list would say something like E: sources list empty/missing |
| 00:31.19 | mdh | SMB[aw]: a broken sources.list will just stop you from installing anything. running apt-get update will give errors about packages files missing or unable to be read or whatever |
| 00:31.19 | rich_ | tritium wow. |
| 00:31.19 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: no |
| 00:31.19 | Bill2 | treestone thats the last one on the list.. hmm |
| 00:31.19 | SMB[aw] | mdh: he's not saying that |
| 00:31.21 | phogg | tritium: it's a world gone mad. I recommend liquor |
| 00:31.24 | lucas | after running update-alternatives, my symlinks in /etc/alternatives are still broken --- is there something else that needs to be done to get them to update? |
| 00:31.27 | Bill2 | HAHAHAHHAHAH ok treestone |
| 00:31.30 | SMB[aw] | sch_p: try running apt-setup, it might help |
| 00:31.31 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: private chat! |
| 00:31.33 | Bill2 | treestone stick with me here k? |
| 00:31.36 | tritium | phogg, That sounds like a good idea! :) |
| 00:31.49 | sch_p | SMB[aw]: so, should i reinstall??? :-/ |
| 00:31.58 | mdh | SMB[aw]: he's not saying anything more than "doesn't work" and "I love gentoo", neither of which helps solve his problem |
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| 00:32.13 | phogg | sch_p: it's hard to say whether you should reinstall without having a clear idea of the problem |
| 00:32.25 | treestone | Bill2: 1424? Doesn't sound right. 1424 is VideoServer Connections, are you sure it isn't 14e4? |
| 00:32.26 | SMB[aw] | mdh: u're right... |
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| 00:32.43 | Bill2 | treestone on 2.4 it has the whole broadcom corporation bcm5704 and stuff in the lspci ... and it says the 14e4 like you said, and it also has the serverowkds CioB-e thing also!!! but 2.6 only has the not 14e4 thing. |
| 00:32.44 | mdh | lets get down to basics |
| 00:32.55 | mdh | sch_p: what do you get when you run "apt-get update" ? |
| 00:32.59 | Bill2 | treestone I said 14e4 (2 lines later after correcting myself) |
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| 00:33.50 | SMB[aw] | mdh: sch_p is on live cd atm.. |
| 00:34.12 | Brian___ | what is thr program to change volume levels in alsa? |
| 00:34.14 | phogg | SMB[aw]: a live debian? |
| 00:34.15 | thomas_adam | sch_p: Describe your problem again. |
| 00:34.24 | FieldySnuts | @confuse me |
| 00:34.27 | ravenbird | no them are my gerbil tomorrow ? |
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| 00:34.32 | phogg | Brian___: alsamix will do it, but you'll want to cry |
| 00:34.32 | SMB[aw] | phogg : i don't think so... |
| 00:34.55 | Brian___ | why? |
| 00:34.59 | phogg | Brian___: sorry, that's alsamixer |
| 00:34.59 | SMB[aw] | phogg : but he said he's on a live_cd atm, and he's downloading the debian cd again |
| 00:35.09 | treestone | Bill2: Could it be that you haven't compiled in all the necessary pci chipset drivers? I think I have a pretty similar system sitting here (dual xeon hp/compaq ml370, with serverworks and broadcom chip, kernel 2.6) and it works. |
| 00:35.12 | Brian___ | does that come by default or do I have to get it? |
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| 00:35.23 | phogg | Brian___: because there are more sliders than make sense, And the GUI version is worse. |
| 00:35.24 | thomas_adam | Brian___: alsactl |
| 00:35.33 | thomas_adam | Brian___: aumix is also good. |
| 00:35.33 | Bill2 | treestone I will recompile are you going to be here for a while? |
| 00:35.42 | Bill2 | treestone at least let me look at the menuconfig |
| 00:35.47 | Brian___ | do any come by default with the alsa package? |
| 00:35.47 | phogg | thomas_adam: I thought aumix was OSS only |
| 00:35.57 | petemc | cafuego: nice :) |
| 00:36.08 | thomas_adam | phogg: There's an alsa version in the making. |
| 00:36.08 | treestone | Bill2: Well it's the middle of the night here, not staying too long (compile with 'make MAKE='make -j4') |
| 00:36.14 | cafuego | petemc: *hic* |
| 00:36.21 | Bill2 | whats that do? |
| 00:36.22 | petemc | heh |
| 00:36.28 | phogg | thomas_adam: ah, great! I've missed it since I went to alsa |
| 00:36.28 | mdh | sch_p: I had success doing a net install from the d-i beta3 iso. It's great if you don't need everything off the official cd's |
| 00:36.36 | thomas_adam | alsa is shit. |
| 00:36.37 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: confuse ravenbird |
| 00:36.38 | BlackJudas | I need some help with modules. I've used modconf to set an option on a module that starts up automagically on boot, using depmod, the module pulls in another, yet, I need to set an option on load. The module's bttv and it pulls in tuner, yet, when I set the option to tuner 2 I get an error it is as follows: |
| 00:36.38 | dpkg | yes, who is their badger today, ravenbird ? by order of the democracy of micronesia with extra herring |
| 00:36.38 | BlackJudas | Using /lib/modules/2.4.26/kernel/drivers/media/video/tuner.o |
| 00:36.41 | BlackJudas | insmod: a module named tuner already exists |
| 00:36.42 | BlackJudas | /lib/modules/2.4.26/kernel/drivers/media/video/bttv.o: post-install bttv failed |
| 00:36.44 | hollywoodb | does debian's package manager ever run into 'dependency hell' like some rpm ones do? |
| 00:36.48 | mdh | sch_p: (there's now a beta4 netinst iso cd too) |
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| 00:36.51 | thomas_adam | And anyone NOT running oss-emulation with alsa is a moron. |
| 00:36.53 | Bill2 | treestone I dont see a chipset in device drivers |
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| 00:37.00 | cafuego | thomas_adam: gee, thanks. |
| 00:37.04 | mdh | hollywoodb: no |
| 00:37.07 | treestone | Bill2: I mean if you recompile :-) But look at 'grep ^CON .config|grep PCI' for example |
| 00:37.14 | steven_ | somebody here knows c |
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| 00:37.15 | Brian___ | I have had dependencies problems only 2 or 3 times in debian for about 1.5 years ....and they only lasted 1 or 2 days |
| 00:37.17 | thomas_adam | cafuego: all you need now is a number from dpkg. |
| 00:37.26 | Blissex | mdh: the package manager DPKG can well do that. The dependency managers (APT, Aptitude, Synaptic, ...) rarely do. |
| 00:37.27 | cafuego | dpkg --configure |
| 00:37.27 | dpkg | cafuego: bugger all, i dunno |
| 00:37.29 | mdh | steven_: are you psychic? ;) |
| 00:37.33 | cafuego | hmmm |
| 00:37.36 | thomas_adam | steven_: #c do, dummy. |
| 00:37.46 | Blissex | hollywoodb: the package manager DPKG can well do that. The dependency managers (APT, Aptitude, Synaptic, ...) rarely do. |
| 00:37.50 | Blissex | mdh: ooops. |
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| 00:38.07 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say ~say dpkg: fuck ravenbird |
| 00:38.09 | ravenbird | ~say dpkg: fuck ravenbird |
| 00:38.13 | apt | dpkg: fuck ravenbird |
| 00:38.13 | dan2 | cafuego: you good with gcc? |
| 00:38.13 | cafuego | thomas_adam: I think I'll just take 42. |
| 00:38.13 | Blissex | hollywoodb: most users just use one of the dependency managers. |
| 00:38.20 | thomas_adam | cafuego: heh. |
| 00:38.22 | cafuego | dan2: I cna run it, yes. |
| 00:38.22 | b00 | what the fuck is the problem with thomas_adam ? |
| 00:38.25 | Bill2 | treestone ok type that to find chipset? |
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| 00:38.33 | cafuego | b00: does it matter? |
| 00:38.33 | dan2 | cafuego: doh, I meant gdb |
| 00:38.34 | thomas_adam | b00: Arrgh, you scared me. |
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| 00:38.45 | b00 | well, no |
| 00:38.52 | cafuego | dan2: No. |
| 00:38.52 | cafuego | dan2: I use strace |
| 00:38.56 | BlackJudas | meh... |
| 00:38.58 | dan2 | cafuego: hmm |
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| 00:39.14 | phogg | hollywoodb: if you stay away from unstable you can be sure to be free of 99.999% of dependancy hell |
| 00:39.24 | treestone | Bill2: No, just to see what is configured in. But it may not be the most efficient way to figure out if you're missing something: You may want to go carefully through menuconfig (or xconfig) |
| 00:39.29 | mdh | b00: thomas_adam is our resident bot for abusing newbies. you'll enjoy its advanced conversation algorithms. seems almost human sometimes. |
| 00:39.33 | dan2 | hmm |
| 00:39.40 | phogg | hollywoodb: with unstable you must be prepared to take as much as 2% instability (so sorry) |
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| 00:39.51 | Bill2 | treestone ok thanks sooo much how do I get on the mail list? |
| 00:39.53 | steven_ | i downloaded a code and there is an #include in the beginning followed of char buffer[30]; what should i include for that |
| 00:39.54 | b00 | mdh: :) |
| 00:40.03 | cafuego | 2.2.168.192.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer god.wifi. |
| 00:40.07 | cafuego | well well |
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| 00:40.29 | cafuego | steven_: Yuck, they use a global char[] variable? |
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| 00:40.34 | mdh | cafuego: I'm hoping that's not a public registration |
| 00:40.41 | hollywoodb | mdh: why do you want to abuse newbies? |
| 00:41.03 | cafuego | mdh: Just pushed it to yarrina.connect.com.au and warrane.connect.com.au |
| 00:41.08 | phogg | hollywoodb: because they're there? |
| 00:41.21 | mdh | hollywoodb: I don't know hollywoodb. Tell me why mdh: why do you want to abuse newbies? |
| 00:41.23 | steve_k | cafuego: i've tried a few things (rebooting, upgrading modutils, removing ipchains) but i am still getting an error when the ip_tables module tries to load. Do any have any suggestions on what I can try? |
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| 00:41.32 | EvilRick | I have a small problem Installing 3.0r2. My current system has a rtl8139c onboard and a 3com network card .. I cannto install bf24 if I leave the 3com in but I can If I remove it.. an isntall using teh default 2.2 kernel works fine. I then removed the 3com and the install continued past fs setup and then prompted for media(could no longer see the cd). I Installed on another system and then booted the drive. On the current system the cdrom wont mount |
| 00:41.39 | hollywoodb | phogg: gotta start somewhere |
| 00:41.53 | cafuego | steven_: btw, you shouldn't need any header fiels for it if you use gcc. You can incldue stdlib, stdio and unist though. |
| 00:41.58 | mdh | Host 2.2.168.192.in-addr.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 00:42.00 | EvilRick | I also noticed that If I have the 3com in the system teh system cannot load drivers for the realtek |
| 00:42.02 | phogg | hollywoodb: I try to keep my abuse 50/50 with my help. Best of both worlds |
| 00:42.04 | EvilRick | wny ideas |
| 00:42.07 | treestone | Bill2: http://www.tux.org/lkml/, see also http://kernelnewbies.org/ |
| 00:42.15 | dan2 | peterS: I figured out where it was crashing |
| 00:42.17 | sch_p | mdh: i need help on a net install |
| 00:42.17 | FieldySnuts | you don't do forward lokups on in-addr.arpa |
| 00:42.32 | cafuego | mdh: use 210.8.121.78 as dns server |
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| 00:42.50 | FieldySnuts | and i doubt 192.168.2.2 is going to resolve for you anyway (reverse) |
| 00:43.00 | Blissex | FieldySnuts: actually in some (subtle) cases there are reasons to put under 'ARPA' things other than 'PTR' RRs. |
| 00:43.01 | sch_p | mdh: doya mean 168.192.2.2? |
| 00:43.04 | hooya | aight, anyone know what happened to nbgrub image in the GRUB package? |
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| 00:43.16 | n6tadam | hooya: Check the CHANGELOG |
| 00:43.17 | sch_p | mdh: or 192.168.2.2? |
| 00:43.20 | mdh | FieldySnuts: modern versions of host are smart enoguh to do PTR's if you lookup in-addr.arpa |
| 00:43.25 | cafuego | sch_p: No. |
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| 00:43.34 | FieldySnuts | mdh: makes up for lack of user intelligence, then |
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| 00:43.48 | EvilRick | basically bf24 install wont go past "detecting hardware" if I leave my 3com in. If I remove it it wont go past fs format and setup and prompt for a cdrom. |
| 00:43.54 | Blissex | FieldySnuts: for example, 'A' RRs under '.ARPA' can be used to declare netmasks and other bizarrities. |
| 00:43.59 | sch_p | can anyone help me with a net-install???? |
| 00:44.01 | EvilRick | any ideas |
| 00:44.09 | thomas_adam | EvilRick: Then it csn't just be your NIC. |
| 00:44.18 | FieldySnuts | hint: "????" will probably annoy people into using /ignore |
| 00:44.42 | LinuxJones | sch_p: are you using the sarge beta installer ? |
| 00:44.46 | thomas_adam | sch_p: ask away. |
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| 00:45.08 | hooya | n6tadam, can't find the debian.changelog the regular changelog says it's there but it just can't be found!! |
| 00:45.12 | sch_p | FieldySnuts: hey! i am fdarling on #gentoo |
| 00:45.13 | steven_ | cafuego: thanks |
| 00:45.14 | hooya | this is sooo frustrating.. |
| 00:45.21 | EvilRick | Should it work fine or is there something wrong with my hardware .. its brand new and my old red hat server runs on it fine |
| 00:45.28 | sch_p | LinuxJones: i dont thinks so, livecd |
| 00:45.28 | jbr | EvilRick: I've known that to happen with 3coms - I either change NICs or recompile... |
| 00:45.39 | thomas_adam | EvilRick: Not sure -- try knoppix, does that work? |
| 00:45.44 | LinuxJones | sch_p: livecd ??? what livecd ? |
| 00:45.45 | EvilRick | jbr: what about no being able to mount the cdrom |
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| 00:45.47 | sch_p | thomas_adam: cool, apt-get update doesnt work, neithe does apt-get install :-/ |
| 00:45.58 | jbr | EvilRick: not seen that, specifically |
| 00:46.09 | thomas_adam | sch_p: doesn't work how? |
| 00:46.14 | thomas_adam | !fuck b00 |
| 00:46.17 | BlackJudas | how do i set options for a module/ |
| 00:46.18 | BlackJudas | ? |
| 00:46.20 | hooya | 3 doesn't com. 3 goes. it blows. |
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| 00:46.27 | thomas_adam | BlackJudas: modinfo <foo> |
| 00:46.31 | sch_p | LinuxJones: ya know, the net install livecd installer thingie |
| 00:46.36 | thomas_adam | BlackJudas: and see modconf |
| 00:46.42 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: what does thomas_adam pay you for? |
| 00:46.43 | dpkg | sometimes thomas_adam pays me for unspeakably disgusting actions, fieldysnuts, but I've really had enough... |
| 00:46.44 | EvilRick | I made a base install cd and used that many times.. on this machien it freaks out and prompts me for a file source location |
| 00:46.46 | sch_p | LinuxJones: not a livecd like Knoppix or anything ;-) |
| 00:46.47 | thomas_adam | hehehe |
| 00:46.48 | BlackJudas | thomas_adam, i'm aware of that one, and yep that one too :/ |
| 00:46.56 | BlackJudas | thomas_adam, problem is... it's set |
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| 00:47.02 | LinuxJones | sch_p: oh ok, can you do an apt-setup ? |
| 00:47.03 | thomas_adam | BlackJudas: so re-define your question. |
| 00:47.03 | BlackJudas | thomas_adam, but i get errors |
| 00:47.09 | thomas_adam | Otherwise, you'll get silly answers. |
| 00:47.11 | BlackJudas | i did above ^ :P |
| 00:47.15 | BlackJudas | err a while back mmkay |
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| 00:47.23 | BlackJudas | so.. |
| 00:47.32 | Blissex | blackjudas: with an 'option's directive in the modules utils config file. Remember that Debian builds the latter in its own way. As someone mentioned... |
| 00:47.33 | cafuego | !lart AustNet |
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| 00:48.04 | |QuaD| | is there a way to use apt-get but ignoring dependincies |
| 00:48.23 | cafuego | |QuaD|: Yes, there are ways to break your system. |
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| 00:48.26 | jbr | |QuaD|: is there a reason to? |
| 00:48.26 | petemc | !dict dependant |
| 00:48.31 | FieldySnuts | !penixstrike AustNet |
| 00:48.32 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking AustNet to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 00:48.41 | petemc | ohh, dict is broken |
| 00:48.41 | |QuaD| | yea... my system is fucked up |
| 00:48.44 | |QuaD| | i need to fix it |
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| 00:48.53 | Blissex | |QuaD|: sort of, but why? You can use it to download a package with '-d', and then use 'dpkg' directly. |
| 00:49.03 | |QuaD| | oh, i will do that :) |
| 00:49.03 | |QuaD| | thanks |
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| 00:49.21 | Hyp3rion | debian! |
| 00:49.24 | Blissex | |QuaD|: to unfuck your systems, that takes a lot of guguship... Uhm. |
| 00:49.42 | alfi | y have a question, when im trying to set a dial up configuration y get an error at the dialoging time with the modem, for examlpe with the wvdial program y get this: |
| 00:49.50 | alfi | --> WvDial: Internet dialer version |
| 00:49.52 | BlackJudas | I'm trying to set bttv to load on boot which is fine. /etc/modutils/bttv contains options bttv tuner 2 yet, on load bttv pulls in tuner then deb tries to load the tuner module by itself therefore the option on bttv for tuner is 6 rather than 2. |
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| 00:49.55 | alfi | ttyS1: LSR safety check engaged! |
| 00:49.55 | alfi | --> Cannot open /dev/ttyS1: Input/output error |
| 00:50.03 | |QuaD| | Blissex: apt-get -d? |
| 00:50.05 | thomas_adam | alfi: adduser foo tty |
| 00:50.09 | paokouran | juts installed latest eagle usb 1.9.6.99 working but when i click a site resolving host is very very long then page come or not at all.... |
| 00:50.12 | Nach | which package contains the C manual? |
| 00:50.15 | alfi | any clue? whta's that safety check thing? |
| 00:50.18 | thomas_adam | alfi: and ensure that you have serial support in the kernel. |
| 00:50.26 | Blissex | |QuaD|: yes. |
| 00:50.36 | |QuaD| | then install or no install? |
| 00:50.43 | thomas_adam | !tell Nach about search |
| 00:51.12 | thomas_adam | dpkg, tell alfi about flood |
| 00:51.13 | BlackJudas | so in essence bttv isn't getting that option passed to it. |
| 00:51.15 | alfi | thomas_adam: about the adduser thing, y run it under root |
| 00:51.27 | thomas_adam | alfi: Because you have to. |
| 00:51.32 | thomas_adam | !y |
| 00:51.33 | dpkg | hmm... y is http://www.hungry.com/products/Ywindows/, or its why, not y. w h y. see u, any1. |
| 00:51.33 | BlackJudas | I think i screwed things up by installing modules-init-tools for the 2.6 upgrade i've decided not to do. |
| 00:51.55 | alfi | thomas_adam: then whats that addsuer thing? what for? |
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| 00:52.06 | FieldySnuts | it should have no affect on a 2.4 kernel |
| 00:52.11 | thomas_adam | alfi: To add the user to tty group -- also add them to "dialout". |
| 00:52.38 | dpkg | could not find definition for dependant |
| 00:52.44 | treestone | alfi: And then log in again (to get the privileges change to take effect) |
| 00:52.59 | lucas | running update-alternatives on javaplugin.so, update-alternatives --config javaplugin.so lists my new alternative, but ls -l /etc/alternatives/javaplugin.so shows that it's still the old broken symlink... what do i need to do? |
| 00:53.01 | |QuaD| | Blissex: its still checking dependincies |
| 00:53.09 | BlackJudas | meh.. any ideas? |
| 00:53.37 | thomas_adam | lucas: re-create the symlink and run: ldconfig -X |
| 00:53.39 | alfi | thomas_adam: and about the kernel support, my other modem run yn the same isa slot |
| 00:53.46 | thomas_adam | alfi: Ok. |
| 00:53.48 | treestone | BlackJudas: modules-init-tools works just fine under 2.4 as well. |
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| 00:54.02 | alfi | thomas_adam: thats mean that the kernel support is ok, isnt it? |
| 00:54.11 | thomas_adam | M_I_T is a requirement, anyhow -- especially if you want a working kernel. |
| 00:54.14 | lucas | thomas_adam: ok, i thought it would be bad to just delete and re-create the symlink *shrugs* |
| 00:54.18 | thomas_adam | alfi: Presumably. |
| 00:54.26 | thomas_adam | lucas: No, it's safe, |
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| 00:54.48 | alfi | thomas_adam: and whats that "foo" thing? |
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| 00:54.52 | thomas_adam | !+foo |
| 00:54.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here |
| 00:54.58 | paokouran | just installed latest eagle usb 1.9.6.99 working but when i click a site ,page loading (resolving host), it s very very long then page come or not at all....any ideas?? |
| 00:55.19 | lucas | thomas_adam: cool thanks |
| 00:55.22 | thomas_adam | paokouran: define DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:55.32 | thomas_adam | lucas: No problem. |
| 00:55.33 | BlackJudas | treestone, yeah, I'm just grabbing at straws now. Can't figure out why I can't set this option. It worked once, then... something went wrong. |
| 00:55.33 | paokouran | k good |
| 00:55.47 | thomas_adam | paokouran: man resolv.conf |
| 00:55.55 | paokouran | k |
| 00:56.01 | paokouran | thx |
| 00:56.21 | paokouran | 2nd question |
| 00:56.23 | thomas_adam | paokouran: Although essentially: echo -e 'nameserver\t IP\n' > /etc/resolv.conf should do it |
| 00:56.34 | alfi | thomas_adam: and why this error starts to happen when y change mi modem? |
| 00:56.35 | thomas_adam | paokouran: Yes? |
| 00:56.41 | Nach | thomas_adam: and what should I search for exactly? the letter C? |
| 00:56.42 | thomas_adam | alfi: Hmm? |
| 00:56.46 | paokouran | so |
| 00:56.49 | treestone | BlackJudas: I just scrolled back to see what you wrote before. With module-init-tools it's not /etc/modutils anymore, it's /etc/modprobe.d/ |
| 00:56.56 | thomas_adam | Nach: The topic in channel #c has some cool links. |
| 00:56.58 | paokouran | i installed dri drivers for ati |
| 00:57.03 | paokouran | but when i reboot |
| 00:57.07 | thomas_adam | paokouran: ask in #ati please. |
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| 00:57.20 | paokouran | i have to reinstall the snapshot every time |
| 00:57.23 | alfi | thomas_adam: this "privilege" its suposed to be activated before, right? |
| 00:57.26 | arkane | hmmm not acording to some of the answers dpkg gives |
| 00:57.32 | Hyp3rion | thomas_adam - if page loads but slowly, there should me the correct name servers in resolv.onf for paokouran nope? |
| 00:57.33 | arkane | eeek |
| 00:57.34 | paokouran | k sorry |
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| 00:57.38 | thomas_adam | alfi: What is i that is not happening? |
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| 00:58.16 | thomas_adam | Hyp3rion: If a nameserver cannot be found then one is looked for, which is really slow. Either way, the default gateway should log _something_ but this is rarely enough. |
| 00:58.17 | alfi | thomas_adam: everi dial up configuraton program crash at the dialoging whit the modem time |
| 00:58.34 | thomas_adam | alfi: I am having trouble understanding your English. |
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| 00:58.54 | |QuaD| | hmm, anyone know how to dl a program using apt-get without checking dependincies |
| 00:58.56 | steven_ | where can i find a hex explanation for letters and numbers |
| 00:59.01 | thomas_adam | paokouran: Snapshot? |
| 00:59.02 | alfi | thomas_adam: ok, the wvdial worked before |
| 00:59.05 | thomas_adam | steven_: for what? |
| 00:59.07 | tvon | Where can I find information on creating packages from scratch? |
| 00:59.07 | Hyp3rion | thomas_adam - oic! |
| 00:59.17 | thomas_adam | |QuaD|: apt-get -d foo |
| 00:59.19 | tvon | er, nm |
| 00:59.28 | thomas_adam | tvon: sure? |
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| 00:59.29 | |QuaD| | thomas_adam: it is still checking dependincies |
| 00:59.46 | alfi | thomas_adam: y change the modem for other one, almost-exacly like the other |
| 00:59.48 | tvon | thomas_adam: if you've got a tip, I'll hear it (was just going to apt-get source a simple package and look at it) |
| 00:59.50 | steven_ | thomas_adam: i want to know the meaning of some notations |
| 00:59.50 | |QuaD| | can i copy/paste in a pm to u thomas_adam |
| 00:59.55 | dan2 | thomas_adam: hey |
| 01:00.10 | thomas_adam | |QuaD|: indeed. It is its nature to do so. You can still download the package to the dpkg pool and install with: dpkg -i --force-depends ./foo.deb, but this is a BAD IDEA. |
| 01:00.24 | thomas_adam | tvon: That's cool. |
| 01:00.32 | dan2 | thomas_adam: want to help me debug dbmail? |
| 01:00.35 | treestone | BlackJudas: You got that? It's /etc/modprobe.d/ and not /etc/modutils/ as before, just make your changes in the right place and you should be ok. |
| 01:00.37 | LinuxJones | |QuaD|, you can do an apt-get -d to download the package then install from /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 01:00.38 | alfi | thomas_adam: you are telling me to change the configuration, but, if the configuration was brong, then why the oter modem worked? |
| 01:00.40 | |QuaD| | thomas_adam: why is that bad? |
| 01:00.43 | thomas_adam | |QuaD|: I'll say this once: |
| 01:00.55 | thomas_adam | DON'T /MSG ME ANY OF YOU -- see the /topic |
| 01:01.11 | tvon | hehe |
| 01:01.23 | |QuaD| | oh, thats why i asked foirst... i thought that is what the "indeed" was for |
| 01:01.23 | |QuaD| | sorry |
| 01:01.27 | thomas_adam | alfi: You need to be more precise with your questions. |
| 01:01.36 | thomas_adam | |QuaD|: apt-get -f install && apt-get upgrade |
| 01:01.44 | |QuaD| | that is broken though |
| 01:01.51 | |QuaD| | the apt-get -f install |
| 01:02.09 | alfi | thomas_adam: im asking why if y change a modem y have to change the configuration of the account? |
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| 01:02.31 | thomas_adam | alfi: Because wvdial logs the /dev/ttySn device. |
| 01:02.38 | alfi | thomas_adam: y have to change my ISP too because y change my modem?? (<----- sarcasm) |
| 01:02.52 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 01:02.59 | alfi | thomas_adam: tha thaaaaaaaaaaaaa, is the same isa slot |
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| 01:03.02 | |QuaD| | LinuxJones: i need to dl it... it won't dl witout checking dependincies |
| 01:03.09 | treestone | alfi: You're saying that you just replaced your modem hardware and it doesn't work anymore? It works with old hardware? Then new hardware is broken. |
| 01:03.37 | thomas_adam | I don't know what the hell alfi is saying. |
| 01:03.43 | LinuxJones | |QuaD|, goto google.com and search for the .deb file and download it from there. |
| 01:03.59 | thomas_adam | LinuxJones: No, apt-get -d foo will suffice. |
| 01:04.08 | alfi | thomas_adam: y said that this modem works in mi redhat distr. |
| 01:04.18 | jbr | |QuaD|: see also http://packages.debian.org/<package> |
| 01:04.26 | |QuaD| | thomas_adam: it still asks for dependiencies |
| 01:04.27 | thomas_adam | alfi: What? |
| 01:04.29 | Ketter | |QuaD|: apt-get -d .. it might help, otherwise check http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 01:04.31 | alfi | thomas_adam: whit the same wvdial version, whit the same configuration file |
| 01:04.34 | thomas_adam | |QuaD|: paste it all to #flood |
| 01:04.43 | LinuxJones | thomas_adam, I already told him that |
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| 01:05.01 | thomas_adam | LinuxJones: As did I, a long time ago now. |
| 01:05.02 | alfi | thomas_adam: in redhat y go "wvdial" and tha thaaaaaa, internet |
| 01:05.08 | |QuaD| | thomas_adam: just did |
| 01:05.23 | treestone | alfi: But you still need the following: 1) serial support in the kernel and 2) those privileges! (the 'adduser' stuff) |
| 01:05.25 | alfi | thomas_adam: in debian y go "wvdial" and it crashed |
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| 01:06.02 | thomas_adam | alfi: Ok, I think I see what you mean now. |
| 01:06.08 | alfi | treestone: but if y dont have those things mi modem does not respond to the "dialog"??? |
| 01:06.14 | alfi | thomas_adam: ok |
| 01:06.50 | treestone | alfi: If 'dialog' is a program that talks to the modem (and you can do 'at' commands etc.) then yes, your serial driver is there at least |
| 01:06.52 | steven_ | thomas_adam: whats is the maening of the hex num. xd2 x80 |
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| 01:07.17 | thomas_adam | steven_: In what context? Only that is not a hex digit? |
| 01:07.19 | paokouran | can i make a sort of general save on my session ?????(sorry for my poor english) |
| 01:07.34 | thomas_adam | paokouran: You need a session-manager |
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| 01:07.48 | sch_p | mdh: sorry |
| 01:08.00 | paokouran | when i launch azureus for exemple |
| 01:08.05 | mdh | sch_p: n/p |
| 01:08.10 | alfi | treestone: no, is not a problem, when the program tries to "reech", to "find", to "see if the modem is there", it crash |
| 01:08.14 | alfi | all of them |
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| 01:08.22 | alfi | pppconfig, wvdial, etc |
| 01:08.23 | paokouran | he don t find java i have to enter the PATH again |
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| 01:08.36 | treestone | alfi: And if you do that as root? |
| 01:08.47 | mdh | sch_p: if you can apt-get it, another package I like is 'wajig' - its a python script that front-ends all the package commands |
| 01:09.02 | alfi | treestone: yeap |
| 01:09.02 | sch_p | mdh: cool |
| 01:09.24 | treestone | alfi: It fails as root too? Then it's not privileges. Sounds like a missing serial driver. |
| 01:09.29 | jbr | steven_: are you looking for "man iso_8859-1" etc in package manpages? |
| 01:09.29 | sch_p | mdh: hey, accept DCC chat |
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| 01:09.32 | mdh | sch_p: so instead of remembering "apt-get" for this, "apt-cache" for that, or where to stop/start daemons, you just have "wajig" :) |
| 01:09.59 | sch_p | mdh: i'll look into it :-) |
| 01:10.05 | sch_p | mdh: accept DCC chat plz |
| 01:10.11 | sch_p | mdh: :-/ |
| 01:10.11 | mdh | wajig update, wajig install, wajig purge, wajig search, wajig list-files, etc |
| 01:10.12 | alfi | by the way, when y say reech, y mean reach |
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| 01:10.36 | steven_ | jbr: i am looking through some code i found a lot of x2d/xdb/x45/...... i was wondering what i was? |
| 01:10.43 | alfi | treestone: y see it that way too, but mi other moden worked |
| 01:10.44 | steven_ | thomas_adam: what kind of code is that |
| 01:10.57 | treestone | sch_p: wajig+apt-listbugs is great if you're on debian unstable (wajig update; wajig new; wajig new-upgrades; wajig upgrade (and apt-listbugs intercepts and tells you if something's broken) |
| 01:10.59 | alfi | treestone: the same isa slot, almost the same modem |
| 01:11.00 | mdh | sch_p: I may be called away by work, better that you talk in the channel here so someone else can jump in if I suddenly go silent ;) |
| 01:11.26 | treestone | alfi: But I thought the difference was that you used to run redhat, and now you're running debian? |
| 01:11.32 | sch_p | mdh: allright (uses CTRL+C to copy ur name and a colon) |
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| 01:11.47 | sch_p | mdh: lol |
| 01:11.53 | sch_p | mdh: i'm so bad |
| 01:12.09 | alfi | treestone: nop, it worked in debian |
| 01:12.17 | sch_p | mdh: apt-get x-window-system seems to be working fine, its downloading a bunch of stuf |
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| 01:12.25 | mdh | sweet |
| 01:12.31 | Venker | bye people |
| 01:12.34 | mdh | I think your problem is all solved :) |
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| 01:12.38 | alfi | treestone: let thing that the problem its why you said, whats the solution? |
| 01:13.19 | tnb | find shadow-4.0.3 |
| 01:13.21 | tnb | yh |
| 01:13.22 | tnb | not here |
| 01:13.25 | treestone | alfi: I scrolled back and read what you wrote earlier, it's mighty confusing. what exactly is it that you changed from when that modem worked and now that it doesn't work? |
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| 01:13.53 | sch_p | mdh: 96% done |
| 01:14.07 | debian | What textbased ICQ package recommended? |
| 01:14.21 | alfi | treestone: only the modem, a diferen model of US robotics, both of them isa slot |
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| 01:14.37 | steven_ | where is most likely to find the source code of some installed program? |
| 01:14.52 | mhall | What package contains the actual C libraries? It seems like one of the libc6* debs but it's not obvious which one. |
| 01:14.59 | treestone | alfi: Ok then it's as I said earlier, if you only replaced the hardware and one works and not the other, then the hardware is the problem. |
| 01:15.06 | mhall | steven_ OK. Here is what you do. |
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| 01:15.15 | mhall | !tell steven_ about pdo |
| 01:15.22 | mhall | !tell steven_ about source |
| 01:15.44 | mhall | steven_ Go onto PDO. Use the filename --> package option to find the package name. |
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| 01:15.45 | alfi | treestone: y see it that way to, but im whit "the" modem now, in my redhat dritribution |
| 01:15.55 | mhall | steven_ Set up apt to get source code. |
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| 01:16.07 | mhall | steven_ Run "apt-get source <packagename>" |
| 01:16.09 | treestone | alfi: Install 'minicom' and try to talk directly to the modem. You can run 'at' commands and see if you get any response. |
| 01:16.17 | mhall | steven_ It will appear in the current dir. |
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| 01:16.23 | loke___ | how do i configure my network in debian? |
| 01:16.23 | treestone | alfi: I did not understand anything of the last sentence, sorry.. |
| 01:16.28 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:16.43 | debian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:16.55 | idnar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:17.11 | alfi | treestone: y am using "the" modem now, so it works |
| 01:17.14 | steven_ | mhall: ok thanks |
| 01:17.18 | mwilson | My finger slips, and everyone copies me? |
| 01:17.34 | loke___ | how do i configure my network (ip address and such) in debian? |
| 01:17.35 | mwilson | Perhaps it should say "send mwilson $10". :) |
| 01:17.37 | idnar | mwilson: you have achieved cult worship status |
| 01:17.42 | zignig | mwilson: greetings earthling. |
| 01:17.45 | treestone | alfi: You have 2 modems, 1 PC, the PC is dual-boot debian/redhat? And only 1 modem works on both distros? |
| 01:17.47 | mwilson | g'day |
| 01:17.49 | esop | loke___: man interfaces |
| 01:17.53 | mentor | oh. damn. |
| 01:18.01 | zignig | mwilson: back from /dev/null I see :) |
| 01:18.04 | treestone | alfi: And the other modem works on both distros? |
| 01:18.05 | idnar | echo $10 | mail mwilson |
| 01:18.20 | alfi | treestone: no, y have 1 modem, the same work in redhat but it does not work in debian |
| 01:18.26 | thomas_adam | mwilson: Long time no see. How goes it? |
| 01:18.36 | mwilson | zignig: Welcome to the run-up to Memorial Day weekend at a theme park. <sigh> |
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| 01:18.46 | treestone | alfi: But earlier you said that a modem (or the modem) worked in debian! |
| 01:19.13 | zignig | mwilson: oh joy , o' rapture. |
| 01:19.17 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Same to you. Tired. Busy. |
| 01:19.27 | thomas_adam | mwilson: Tell me about it. |
| 01:19.32 | abydos | hrm, I might actually just go Woody on my router. |
| 01:19.36 | alfi | treestone: the other modem, that one is broken now adn y got a similiar one now |
| 01:19.41 | debian | may be long time ago |
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| 01:20.02 | abydos | I was going to go Sarge, but now it appears I might go Woody. |
| 01:20.03 | mhall | idnar He said to mail him $10, not _the contents_ of $10. |
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| 01:20.17 | mhall | echo "$10" | mail mwilson |
| 01:20.22 | mwilson | There we go. :) |
| 01:20.28 | mhall | idnar :-) fixed it |
| 01:20.32 | treestone | alfi: So you really did have 2 modems. Sigh. You must understand that it is very difficult to assist when you don't explain the situation correctly. |
| 01:20.33 | alfi | treestone: the other modem worked in debian, and that other modem was in the same isa slot that this one |
| 01:20.37 | abydos | ahaha. |
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| 01:20.40 | daxxar | echo "$10" would be interpolated, wouldn't it? |
| 01:20.49 | daxxar | echo '$10' | mail mwilson |
| 01:20.56 | mentor | damnit. too slow./ |
| 01:20.56 | idnar | mhall: ah, yes |
| 01:20.59 | abydos | daxxar: Either way would work. |
| 01:21.07 | daxxar | $ echo "$10"; echo '$10' |
| 01:21.07 | daxxar | 0 |
| 01:21.07 | daxxar | $10 |
| 01:21.09 | daxxar | Not here. :) |
| 01:21.15 | treestone | alfi: Still, try installing minicomm and talk directly to the modem. |
| 01:21.18 | mhall | daxxar ! |
| 01:21.26 | mhall | daxxar It really should have worked. |
| 01:21.30 | mwilson | Anyway... |
| 01:21.30 | alfi | treestone: no, i HAD one, it burned, so y throwed it away and y get a new one |
| 01:21.34 | cafuego | echo \$10 |
| 01:21.36 | daxxar | It doesn't. ;-) |
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| 01:21.42 | idnar | echo "THE SUM OF TEN MILLION DOLLARS (US)" | mail mwilson |
| 01:21.43 | mhall | mentor1 quick change back, that's the name of a horrid course at my school |
| 01:21.57 | mwilson | idnar: Can I get an account number with that one? :) |
| 01:22.02 | treestone | part |
| 01:22.02 | abydos | ye gods. |
| 01:22.03 | mhall | idnar careful, don't send mwilson 419 scam mail or he will remove your testicles |
| 01:22.10 | alfi | treestone: i run the minicom, what should y get to check if the modem realy work? |
| 01:22.21 | abydos | Dogma line: My god, the little stoner's got a point |
| 01:22.22 | mhall | idnar of course, with the way mwilson is, he might just do it anyways |
| 01:22.31 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: poop |
| 01:22.42 | mhall | mentor prepare to be bitchslapped by the nick change rate-limiter |
| 01:22.51 | Nurbs | "libc6 2.3.2.ds1-13" - what does the ds1 stand for? |
| 01:22.59 | abydos | Nurbs: Your mom? |
| 01:23.01 | mentor | mhall: Nah, I've got avoiding htat down... ;) |
| 01:23.04 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: nickometer @#$@$# |
| 01:23.04 | dpkg | '@#$@$#' is 99.963% lame, fieldysnuts |
| 01:23.07 | mentor | Daniel Stone? |
| 01:23.07 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:23.11 | Nurbs | abydos: in what langauge? |
| 01:23.12 | mwilson | Nurbs: One of the maintainers. |
| 01:23.17 | idnar | !nickmeter FieldySnuts |
| 01:23.17 | dpkg | FieldySnuts is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 01:23.22 | abydos | Nurbs: 'k. |
| 01:23.23 | FieldySnuts | argh |
| 01:23.30 | abydos | !nickmeter abydos |
| 01:23.30 | dpkg | abydos is 100% lame with a cherry on top! |
| 01:23.37 | abydos | oh. My. God. |
| 01:23.39 | Nurbs | mwilson: oh, weird. thanks :) |
| 01:23.40 | daxxar | !nickometer FieldySnuts |
| 01:23.44 | abydos | It was 0% not 3 days ago. |
| 01:23.48 | daxxar | hmm. |
| 01:23.53 | mentor | abydos: Look closely. |
| 01:23.55 | FieldySnuts | !factinfo nickmeter |
| 01:23.55 | gravity | !botabuse |
| 01:23.55 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 01:23.55 | dpkg | nickmeter -- created by |V94|V0|\ <~Alex@node-c-0ea2.a2000.nl> at Sun Feb 2 21:54:26 2003 (483 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by KrytenX, 21h 22m 6s ago. |
| 01:23.57 | idnar | !nickometer abydos |
| 01:24.05 | daxxar | 03:23:44 <dpkg> the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for FieldySnuts is 0.000%, daxxar |
| 01:24.08 | daxxar | :-) |
| 01:24.09 | abydos | daxxar: s/ometer/meter |
| 01:24.11 | Infohawk | Where can I get dvdnav support for xine for debian-unstable |
| 01:24.20 | daxxar | abydos: s/meter/ometer/ |
| 01:24.28 | FieldySnuts | damn badger lovers |
| 01:24.29 | idnar | dpkg: nickometer abydos |
| 01:24.30 | mentor | Infohawk: Is it not already in xine? |
| 01:24.32 | abydos | !nickometer abydos |
| 01:24.41 | mentor | Yeah, enough twith the bot play I think. |
| 01:24.41 | idnar | !+nickometer abydos |
| 01:24.42 | dpkg | the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for abydos is 0.000%, #debian |
| 01:24.45 | sussudio | !fuck ~Alex@node-c-0ea2.a2000.nl for being a factoid stealer |
| 01:24.49 | abydos | bah, someone already said that |
| 01:24.53 | mhall | Infohawk it might be easier to try the videolan client, vlc |
| 01:24.59 | mwilson | Infohawk: libdvdnav4 is already in unstable. |
| 01:25.00 | FieldySnuts | nee |
| 01:25.09 | mhall | Infohawk i have been told DVD Jon and his friends fixed it up and made it work really well for DVDs |
| 01:25.16 | steven_ | i was downloading something with apt-get source package, but i stoped, is there any way to find out if it downloaded something |
| 01:25.20 | mhall | Infohawk it has worked well for me |
| 01:25.29 | mhall | steven_ ls in the dir you were dling in |
| 01:25.33 | Infohawk | mentor, I get some error about needing a dvd plugin |
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| 01:25.40 | STRASHARO | !nickometer STRASHARO |
| 01:25.42 | mentor | meh. |
| 01:25.56 | mhall | steven_ also if you want to delete the remnants of failed / cancelled downloads, try apt-get clean |
| 01:25.58 | mwilson | Infohawk: Is it complaining about dvdnav, or about libcss? |
| 01:25.59 | mentor | Infohawk: locate dvdnav |
| 01:26.20 | mwilson | Infohawk: Debian's xine isn't going to play encrypted discs. |
| 01:26.26 | abydos | !nickometer abydos |
| 01:26.26 | loke___ | i ifup eth1 and it says eth1 already configured but i cant access the net? |
| 01:26.29 | steven_ | mhall: ok thanks |
| 01:26.38 | Infohawk | i have libcss |
| 01:27.01 | mentor | loke___: I'm guessing that it's configured wrongly then. |
| 01:27.06 | mentor | loke___: Static or DHCP/ |
| 01:27.14 | loke___ | dhcp |
| 01:27.27 | mentor | Doesn't dvdnav use dvdcss? |
| 01:27.36 | loke___ | it ftped the install for netinst |
| 01:27.37 | mentor | loke___: What can you access? |
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| 01:27.41 | loke___ | nothing |
| 01:27.44 | mwilson | Navigating a DVD doesn't necessarily require decryption. |
| 01:27.55 | loke___ | let me see if i can access the router |
| 01:28.04 | mentor | mwilson: Indee. |
| 01:28.06 | mentor | d |
| 01:28.11 | mwilson | Only playing the disc does. |
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| 01:28.19 | daxxar | How do I find out if my pc/mobo/bios supports APM or ACPI? |
| 01:28.23 | mentor | loke___: Can you ping local addresses? Is it not reslving adresses? |
| 01:28.27 | Infohawk | and I have dvdnav files in /usr/lib |
| 01:28.28 | loke___ | mentor i can access the router |
| 01:28.29 | mentor | daxxar: SIAS |
| 01:28.42 | daxxar | What's SIAS? |
| 01:28.46 | mentor | loke___: Have you set up your DNS servers correctly then? |
| 01:28.48 | mentor | ~sias |
| 01:28.50 | apt | Suck It And See |
| 01:28.51 | Infohawk | and mplayer complains after a while about packets... |
| 01:28.56 | loke___ | DNS on debian? |
| 01:28.59 | Infohawk | so basically I can't play dvds in debian |
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| 01:29.22 | loke___ | mentor how do i config the dns server? |
| 01:29.24 | sch_p | new debian user--how do i apt-get testing packages? |
| 01:29.24 | daxxar | I'd rather not have to go through with two compiles, two reboots and two tests. |
| 01:29.30 | Justin | !tell Infohawk about errors |
| 01:29.32 | mentor | loke___: As in, pointed your client machine to your DNS servers; with 'your' meaning the ones you use, not own. |
| 01:29.36 | mentor | loke___: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:29.49 | mhall | Infohawk try vlc |
| 01:30.08 | Infohawk | mhall. okay. |
| 01:30.09 | mwilson | Wheee... X is now more or less current with xterm! |
| 01:30.10 | paokouran | how can i see all my groups?? |
| 01:30.10 | loke___ | what dns servers do i use? |
| 01:30.14 | loke___ | wtf |
| 01:30.16 | mentor | Infohawk: Try running xine from a terminal and watching the messages? |
| 01:30.19 | mhall | Infohawk it's seriously better software than Xine or mplayer |
| 01:30.21 | mentor | paokouran: id? |
| 01:30.23 | karsten | paokouran: 'groups' |
| 01:30.32 | paokouran | k lol |
| 01:30.33 | Infohawk | the xine error is: there is no input plugin available to handle 'dvd:/ |
| 01:30.34 | paokouran | easy |
| 01:31.22 | mwilson | Do you have libdvdread ? |
| 01:31.30 | Justin | (%:~)- dpkg -L libxine1|grep dvd |
| 01:31.30 | Justin | /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.0/xineplug_inp_dvd.so |
| 01:31.41 | steven_ | mhall: do you know what kind of code is \x1d\xdb\x4f\x3b..... |
| 01:31.46 | Infohawk | mhall, vlc is more than a front-end right? |
| 01:32.01 | mentor | Infohawk: No permissions problems trying to access the relevant devices. |
| 01:32.03 | Justin | steven_: echo -e "\x1d\xdb\x4f\x3b" |
| 01:32.12 | sch_p | hey, how do install a package as TESTING? |
| 01:32.14 | Infohawk | Justin, I have that file. |
| 01:32.20 | loke___ | mentor what do i have to do in /etc/resolv.conf to make it work? |
| 01:32.29 | Justin | echo -e "\x1d\xdb\x4f\x3b"|cat -v probably better |
| 01:32.40 | Infohawk | mentor, I don't think so. The dvd plays in mplayer for a while until I get an error message which I'm trying to reproduce now. |
| 01:32.43 | mentor | loke___: man resolv,conf |
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| 01:32.52 | jbr | sch_p: to change from stable to testing you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:33.00 | sch_p | sch_p: apt-get install fluxbox --use-testing-pkg-dammit <-- i need a command like that |
| 01:33.11 | sirReal | i keep getting mails from cron about something failing with exim_tidydb... messages are at http://pastebin.com/69774, what do i do about this? |
| 01:33.15 | ledestin | fluxbox/testing |
| 01:33.16 | steven_ | Justin: what kind of code is that |
| 01:33.21 | Justin | steven_: it's not code at all. |
| 01:33.27 | sch_p | jbr: aww is that the only way |
| 01:33.33 | Narkerbyt | is gnome2.6 on unstable right now? |
| 01:33.33 | ledestin | sch_p: fluxbox/testing |
| 01:33.37 | jbr | sch_p: if you only want a few backports, try backports.org, apt-get.org |
| 01:33.44 | Justin | Narkerbyt: why don't you look? |
| 01:33.45 | loke___ | has anyone ever used a ibm thinkpad x40? |
| 01:33.48 | mwilson | sirReal: Delethe the two databases it's whining about, exim will re-create them minus the error. :) |
| 01:33.58 | sch_p | sch_p: apt-get install fluxbox/testing <-- that command will work!? |
| 01:33.58 | paokouran | and say result naker |
| 01:34.01 | mentor | Infohawk: I'm getting that error, but it's because it can't open the block device :/ |
| 01:34.10 | sirReal | mwilson: ok, i hesitated to randomly delete stuff without confirmation :) |
| 01:34.18 | Narkerbyt | Justin: I guess 1 off the 723 users here would know |
| 01:34.27 | Justin | Narkerbyt: you could know too, if you looked. |
| 01:34.29 | mwilson | sirReal: That's what the bug report said. If you're concerned, move them somewhere instead. |
| 01:34.38 | paokouran | me nazker |
| 01:34.39 | paokouran | tri |
| 01:34.44 | paokouran | y |
| 01:34.47 | ledestin | sch_p: try and see |
| 01:34.49 | mentor | Narkerbyt: Yes, but you could just as easily look rather than bug us. |
| 01:34.58 | mentor | Narkerbyt: We don't tolerate laziness much here. |
| 01:35.02 | steven_ | Justin: i found that inside a C code |
| 01:35.08 | Infohawk | For the record the mplayer error is: too many video packets in the buffer (4096 in 8271669 bytes) and the mplayer faq says it's due to a bad sound driver. OSS. |
| 01:35.08 | mwilson | sirReal: I erased them, with no problem, but that's my box. :) |
| 01:35.20 | Infohawk | mentor, how do I verify if it's not a permissions problem / block device issue? |
| 01:35.23 | Justin | steven_: you are doing a bad job at being a script kiddy |
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| 01:35.41 | thomas_adam | More lying? |
| 01:35.45 | Justin | Infohawk: why don't you try playing it with no sound? |
| 01:35.52 | mentor | Infohawk: Start xine in a terminal and read hte messages. |
| 01:35.54 | thomas_adam | #debian-disabled should be a channel. |
| 01:35.57 | Justin | cause like, if sound was suspected to be the problem, that would be a good idea |
| 01:36.30 | sirReal | mwilson: well exim didn't fail to start, so i think it worked. silence is golden, we'll see if cron complains again |
| 01:36.31 | Infohawk | Justin, I can do that in mplayer. It's running now with no sound fine. |
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| 01:36.48 | loke___ | mentor, i read man resolv.conf |
| 01:36.49 | mhall | Infohawk vlc is a complete player |
| 01:36.58 | mwilson | sirReal: You could always run the problem job by hand. :) |
| 01:37.00 | mhall | steven_ that is something odd |
| 01:37.13 | sch_p | how do i install a single TESTING package? |
| 01:37.15 | Infohawk | mentor, okay. Let me figure out how to run a dvd in xine from the command line |
| 01:37.18 | loke___ | mentor i read man resolv.conf and am confused as what to do? |
| 01:37.28 | mwilson | sch_p: Download it from the archive, use dpkg to install it. |
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| 01:37.31 | mhall | Infohawk I'd argue vlc is the best because it's the one DVD Jon writes code for |
| 01:37.36 | mentor | Infohawk: No, just run xine...the normal GUI will apear. |
| 01:37.46 | sch_p | mwilson: eeeh... what? |
| 01:37.53 | mhall | Infohawk And since he and his friends are the reigning Linux DVD expertx, I tend to trust their work. |
| 01:37.56 | mentor | loke___: Do you have a nameserver entry in resolv.conf? |
| 01:38.01 | loke___ | no |
| 01:38.02 | ledestin | sch_p: you should have testing in sources.list of course for that to work |
| 01:38.05 | Infohawk | mentor, can't stat /dev/dvd |
| 01:38.11 | Infohawk | no such file or directory |
| 01:38.21 | ledestin | sch_p: and appropriate pins (apt_preferences) |
| 01:38.26 | Infohawk | mhall, I will try it. Right now I already have an apt process running so I have to wait. :P |
| 01:38.30 | mwilson | sch_p: Load your browser, go to the mirror you use, download the file you want, use dpkg to install it. |
| 01:38.34 | mentor | Infohawk: I guess that's your problem. |
| 01:38.42 | loke___ | mentor, i dont have a name server entry in reslov.conf |
| 01:38.42 | mentor | Infohawk: : Do you have a /dev/dvd? |
| 01:38.52 | mwilson | sch_p: It's not worth scrambling your sources.list for one file. |
| 01:38.57 | sirReal | mwilson: ok, i think it's /etc/cron.d/exim ... which command will run it? doesn't seem like cron or crontab will |
| 01:38.58 | mentor | loke___: : You need to add one, or make dhcp add it for you. |
| 01:38.58 | jbr | sch_p: if you don't have the right libraries to go with it, a testing package won't work; |
| 01:38.58 | Hyp3rion | loke___ - dhcp? |
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| 01:39.09 | steven_ | 0x1f |
| 01:39.10 | Infohawk | mentor, no, should i make a link? |
| 01:39.16 | sch_p | OK, how do i upgrade muy ENTIRE system to testing from stable?? |
| 01:39.16 | loke___ | Hyp3rion yes |
| 01:39.17 | jbr | sch_p: use backports.org instead |
| 01:39.21 | jbr | sch_p: to change from stable to testing you need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:39.25 | mentor | Infohawk: If you want to...or you could change the device xine is looking at. |
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| 01:39.33 | mwilson | sirReal: Most of them are shell scripts... I just ran it myself when I erased them to make sure the error was gone. |
| 01:39.38 | sussudio | 0x84DG3R |
| 01:39.44 | loke___ | Hyp3rion i got the sarge netinst up and running except i can only ping my router |
| 01:39.51 | mentor | sussudio: er, invalid digit. |
| 01:39.56 | mentor | s/,/r/ |
| 01:39.58 | mwilson | sirReal: Now if I could just remember what the bug number was... :( |
| 01:39.59 | sirReal | mwilson: oh haha the one in cron.daily is :) |
| 01:40.08 | loke___ | Hyp3rion, thats father along than i got with woody haha |
| 01:40.14 | sch_p | jbr: what do i have 2 change? |
| 01:40.34 | sirReal | mwilson: yes 'bts' needs a 'search' function |
| 01:40.36 | mwilson | The e-mail should have said which one was generating the error. |
| 01:40.38 | jbr | sch_p: the references to "stable" (aka "woody") |
| 01:40.39 | Infohawk | mentor, thanks. I'll try that. |
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| 01:41.08 | jbr | sch_p: also note there are no security.debian.org updates for testing |
| 01:41.09 | loke___ | mentor, how do i get dhcp to add an entry to my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:41.16 | mwilson | sirReal: Usually I bookmark them, but I erased Mozilla, so they're gone. |
| 01:41.23 | Hyp3rion | loke___ - where is your dhcp server? do you run one on the lan? or is it adsl/cablenet and the isp has one? |
| 01:41.28 | loke___ | no |
| 01:41.32 | loke___ | cable |
| 01:41.35 | mentor | Infohawk: I think only dhcp3 will do it....but I defer to popular oopinion, as AI can't remmeber. |
| 01:41.37 | mentor | or type. |
| 01:41.45 | loke___ | Hyp3rion, im on my home cable connection |
| 01:42.15 | Hyp3rion | loke___ - tell the isp that their dhcp is broken. it should be automagic... you have windoze on the box too? |
| 01:42.16 | sch_p | how do i update my entire system? |
| 01:42.23 | loke___ | yes |
| 01:42.28 | sch_p | apt-get update system??? lol |
| 01:42.29 | loke___ | i have windows on it too |
| 01:42.35 | paokouran | juts write ur isp dns loke |
| 01:42.39 | mentor | ~tell sch_p about pkgmgmt |
| 01:42.43 | mentor | ~tell sch_p about dug |
| 01:42.48 | loke___ | what the fuck |
| 01:42.58 | Josh- | loke___: pay the ISP bill. :P |
| 01:43.11 | loke___ | im on line on a difference box right now |
| 01:43.12 | Hyp3rion | loke___ - well, go to the "network setup" or start winipcfg in win98 (i dunno winxp sorry) and it gives you the nameservers it's using... |
| 01:43.32 | loke___ | ipconfig - for win2k |
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| 01:43.47 | loke___ | thereis no dns |
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| 01:44.00 | loke___ | only ip, subnet, and gateway??????? |
| 01:44.03 | Josh- | loke___: ipconfig /all |
| 01:44.19 | loke___ | ok |
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| 01:44.25 | loke___ | still no dns entry |
| 01:44.26 | lukewarm | what's the debian preference for naming packages with regard to gnome...gfoobar for a package with gnome depandancy and gkfoobar for only a GTK dependancy? |
| 01:44.26 | Hyp3rion | sch_p - gentoo user! apt-get update = emerge sync; apt-get upgrade = emerge -u world. sounds more logical eh? |
| 01:44.42 | mwilson | foobar and foobar-gnome |
| 01:44.42 | Justin | lukewarm: debian doesn't name the packages. |
| 01:44.51 | serialkiller | i hought root could not log into shell ( ssh through putty ) by defualt.. but i am allowed to do it on fresh install.. whast up with that? |
| 01:44.54 | Justin | oh that heh |
| 01:45.05 | Justin | serialkiller: you thought wrong |
| 01:45.06 | sch_p | Hyp3rion: cool :-P thanks a lot! |
| 01:45.12 | loke___ | does debian have a gui for network config? |
| 01:45.16 | lukewarm | Justin, debian-devel will have a fit if the package is poorly named, regardless of upstream name |
| 01:45.17 | mentor | Hyp3rion: Well, upgrade and dist-upgrade do thing slightly differently. |
| 01:45.17 | serialkiller | lol |
| 01:45.18 | Hyp3rion | loke___ \windows\system32\SomeThingReallyWeird\etc\resolv.conf |
| 01:45.23 | mentor | loke___: No. |
| 01:45.31 | Hyp3rion | loke___ actually m$ coried unix ;-D |
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| 01:45.34 | Justin | lukewarm: I thought you were asking why programs where named g* heh |
| 01:45.40 | Hyp3rion | copied* |
| 01:45.45 | kremlyn | loke___: yeah, vi, emacs, nano, vim.. |
| 01:45.49 | loke___ | Hyp3rion, what should i do? |
| 01:45.57 | mentor | loke___: Not that a GUI isn't' nice, but in this case it wouldn't bemuch more than a load of boxes for hte various parameters. |
| 01:46.02 | loke___ | i just wanna apt some shit and get online |
| 01:46.20 | mentor | ~shit |
| 01:46.21 | apt | i guess shit is feces, or ask me about gentoo |
| 01:46.23 | mentor | ~tell loke___ about ep |
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| 01:46.25 | Justin | mentor: nothing pisses me off more than the IP entries in windows.. I can type my own damn dots |
| 01:46.39 | Hyp3rion | mentor - whoops true :-/ |
| 01:46.43 | mentor | loke___: Winipcfg, see what your DNS servers are? |
| 01:47.04 | mentor | loke___: Maybe you could dump your dhcp client vars somehow too. |
| 01:47.15 | loke___ | dns and dhcp server is my router |
| 01:47.35 | mentor | Your router does DNS? |
| 01:47.42 | mentor | loke___: Well,put htat in then. |
| 01:47.47 | loke___ | how? |
| 01:47.48 | Justin | um |
| 01:47.58 | Justin | if his router does dhcp, why the hell isn't he just using that. |
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| 01:48.03 | mentor | loke___: man resolv,.conf |
| 01:48.12 | loke___ | i did man resolv.conf |
| 01:48.20 | mentor | loke___: Well, you know how then. |
| 01:48.23 | loke___ | lol |
| 01:48.33 | Hyp3rion | echo 'nameserver w.x.y.z' > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:49.00 | Hyp3rion | mentor? |
| 01:49.04 | mentor | It's not like it's the first option on the man apge. |
| 01:49.05 | paokouran | dhcleint must be on with usb modem?? |
| 01:49.09 | paokouran | dhclient |
| 01:49.13 | mentor | oh. wait. it is. |
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| 01:49.41 | mentor | Hyp3rion: And the Lord said let hte people read the manuals, and there will be much rejoicing... |
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| 01:50.10 | Hyp3rion | mentor - heh i like about:mozilla style :-) okay sorry |
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| 01:52.35 | loke___ | so how do i setup the default gateway??? |
| 01:52.39 | xin | any debian bigshots around? |
| 01:52.48 | mentor | ~tell loke___ about ep |
| 01:52.58 | loke___ | sorry |
| 01:52.59 | mentor | loke___: That should come from the DHCP as well... |
| 01:53.10 | loke___ | what, im just lost |
| 01:53.21 | mentor | loke___: DHCP should set the default gateway afddress. |
| 01:53.42 | loke___ | the dynamic host config protocol is not settin up any default gateways |
| 01:53.47 | kremlyn | loke___{ http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
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| 01:54.03 | kremlyn | Scroll down |
| 01:54.09 | Hyp3rion | loke___ man route |
| 01:54.12 | mokomull | Why are my LaTeX classes not visible by LyX? |
| 01:54.26 | kremlyn | Look at the files /etc/hosts, /etc/host.conf, /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:54.31 | mentor | loke___: Well, you can override it temporarily with the 'route' command..but that won't come back when you restart hte interface...I'm not sure how you override the DHCP settings. |
| 01:54.36 | Guerin-Zzz | mokomull: ask in #psychics |
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| 01:54.54 | asg | Guerin-Zzz: psy-chicks ? |
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| 01:55.11 | thomas_adam | ewww |
| 01:55.20 | asg | thomas_adam: don't yawn in channel :p |
| 01:55.22 | Guerin | asg: nope, I wasn't aware small birds could use IRC |
| 01:55.35 | asg | Guerin: SMS |
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| 01:55.52 | Guerin | asg: you don't need to tell me about SMS, I live in korea |
| 01:55.59 | asg | !pity Guerin |
| 01:55.59 | Guerin | sms is the national sport here |
| 01:55.59 | dpkg | I pity da fool Guerin! |
| 01:56.07 | mokomull | Shit, it works now ... thanks y'all :) |
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| 01:56.28 | Guerin | hey, maybe the psychics did help... |
| 01:57.02 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - no really but #physics is TEH definitive TeX help channel! |
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| 01:57.56 | Hyp3rion | McCheese - lol! |
| 01:58.18 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: it must be.... But i'm curious as to why nobody else undersatnds TeX, given that it's so exhaustively documented |
| 01:59.24 | asg | mwilson: been on holiday? |
| 01:59.24 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - it's so... well... oldskool! every new people learns html instead nowadays |
| 01:59.47 | Nurbs | yeah, I can even render MathML by now ;) |
| 02:00.06 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: heh, yeah, because html is just as powerful as TeX :) |
| 02:00.13 | Hyp3rion | except the physicists... because MathML doesnt work yet :-( |
| 02:00.14 | mwilson | asg: I wish. |
| 02:00.15 | Hyp3rion | oh |
| 02:00.21 | Hyp3rion | Nurbs's faster... |
| 02:00.24 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: I prefer docbook-xml myself |
| 02:00.27 | asg | mwilson: good to see you nontheless |
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| 02:00.45 | mwilson | asg: Thanks. :) |
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| 02:01.45 | Hyp3rion | WITHOUT <doctype!!! doctype is evil! |
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| 02:02.27 | mwilson | Hm, has all the fun with logcheck been fixed? |
| 02:02.39 | mwilson | Gods, I've put a lot of packages on hold here... |
| 02:03.17 | jbr | mwilson: it's working, but I still see some bugs I plan on reporting |
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| 02:03.47 | mwilson | jbr: I've still got the last version before all the fun started on hold. I think I'll leave it that way for a while. :) |
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| 02:05.24 | zulu | hello, how to make (when you have 2 soundboard) one of them the default? |
| 02:05.55 | kremlyn | how can i search 'testing' online, to see what packages are available? |
| 02:06.08 | McCheese | Hyp3rion hehe were you laughing at my name or that I came back here? |
| 02:06.11 | asg | kremlyn: packages.debian.org |
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| 02:06.35 | kremlyn | asg: Thanks. Security updates don't make it to testing do they? |
| 02:06.51 | asg | kremlyn: they do eventually after they filter through sid |
| 02:07.14 | kremlyn | Right.. k. But woody is more immediate.. |
| 02:07.17 | asg | kremlyn: /msg dpkg info <pkg> <dist> also can help |
| 02:07.25 | asg | kremlyn: woody is the first to get security updates |
| 02:07.38 | Nurbs_ | kremlyn: and testing the last :) |
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| 02:07.50 | kremlyn | last? |
| 02:07.56 | Bill2 | how can I force eth0 to use a certian module? |
| 02:08.00 | kremlyn | I would have thought unstable would be last |
| 02:08.08 | mwilson | Bill2: Alias it. |
| 02:08.09 | Nurbs_ | kremlyn: experimental and unstable get packages first. |
| 02:08.29 | Bill2 | msilson sorry im going to need a little more info then that. or do I just seach good for alias? |
| 02:08.34 | Bill2 | or is alias a program? |
| 02:08.35 | asg | kremlyn: no, woody, then sid then testing (after the apropriate period of time has elapsed.) |
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| 02:08.41 | Nurbs_ | kremlyn: one reason why I think that using testing is a bad idea for myself :) |
| 02:08.57 | kremlyn | ahh. Well that'd be fine if there were more releases ;-) |
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| 02:09.17 | mwilson | Where are my shoes... |
| 02:09.33 | asg | mwilson: on eeyore- ? |
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| 02:10.00 | asg | kremlyn: if you need newer packages for woody, use backports (/msg dpkg backports) if you must |
| 02:10.06 | madTi | n8 |
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| 02:11.01 | kremlyn | I've heard backports will break things though |
| 02:11.16 | sch_p | what is backports!? |
| 02:11.17 | thomas_adam | kremlyn: Then you were told incorrectly by a moron. |
| 02:11.19 | asg | kremlyn: they are not officially supported. |
| 02:11.20 | sch_p | :-/ |
| 02:11.24 | thomas_adam | !tell sch_p about backports |
| 02:11.24 | asg | sch_p: /msg dpkg backports |
| 02:11.50 | asg | kremlyn: if you really need something newer, you can always compile from source and stuff the lot in /usr/local or /opt |
| 02:12.03 | loke___ | i am having trouble accessing the net, i can access my router but no further than that? |
| 02:12.26 | kremlyn | asg: That way, it won't get touched by apt when upgrading etc |
| 02:12.27 | kremlyn | ? |
| 02:12.31 | gravity | stow is apparently pretty nice if you don't want to make a deb, but still want to compile your own |
| 02:12.34 | gravity | As is checkinstall |
| 02:12.43 | thomas_adam | stow is excellent. |
| 02:12.43 | asg | loke___: ping 168.82.1.3 (if you can do that, then your DNS setup is buggered) |
| 02:12.56 | gravity | I usually just roll a quick deb |
| 02:13.13 | asg | loke___: or rather 166.82.1.211 |
| 02:13.19 | asg | kremlyn: right |
| 02:13.46 | Nurbs_ | kremlyn: well, it's your decision. many people use testing or unstable, even though it's not recommended for most purposes. and yeah, some backports don't work too nice. |
| 02:13.48 | thomas_adam | Ah, Jethro Tull... |
| 02:13.55 | Justin | !test |
| 02:13.55 | dpkg | No, justin, you're not online any more. |
| 02:13.55 | asg | thomas_adam: Songs from the Wood? |
| 02:14.03 | thomas_adam | asg: Make you feel much better. |
| 02:14.13 | Nurbs_ | kremlyn: basically, don't come back whining if testing or unstable break on you :) |
| 02:14.15 | asg | thomas_adam: :) |
| 02:14.17 | loke___ | asg i can ping 166.82.1.211 |
| 02:14.18 | thomas_adam | hehe |
| 02:14.25 | asg | loke___: then your DNS setup is buggered |
| 02:14.32 | thomas_adam | Actually it was 'Thick as a Brick'. :) |
| 02:14.38 | asg | !passionplaysmite thomas_adam |
| 02:14.38 | loke___ | asg: so how do i fix it? |
| 02:14.45 | asg | loke___: man resolv.conf |
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| 02:14.49 | thomas_adam | hehehe |
| 02:14.55 | Bill2 | anybody know how I alias something (so that a nic has to use a certial module?) |
| 02:14.58 | loke___ | what do i need to add to resolv.conf? |
| 02:15.12 | asg | loke___: a relevant nameserver (i.e. you ISP's) |
| 02:15.14 | kremlyn | Well, for a server, I guess "release" makes sense. If a package isn't available, I can always install via source as asg suggests, or make .deb. Once a .deb is made though, you can "hold" it can't you.. so it won't be touched by future upgrade processes. |
| 02:15.19 | loke___ | ok |
| 02:15.21 | KrytenX | alias eth0 modulename >> /etc/modules.conf |
| 02:15.37 | loke___ | asg how do i add the nameserver to resolv.conf? |
| 02:15.41 | asg | loke___: check the man page for the dhcp client you use, you can override what your router is erroneously giving you. |
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| 02:15.54 | loke___ | the router is right |
| 02:15.59 | loke___ | im online right now |
| 02:15.59 | asg | loke___: echo 'nameserver ip.of.ns' >> /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:16.00 | thomas_adam | KrytenX: err, no. You need an echo |
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| 02:16.12 | KrytenX | no, i wasn't pasting an actual command |
| 02:16.24 | KrytenX | just being lazy |
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| 02:16.38 | loke___ | asg: echo nameserver x.x.x.x > /etc/resolv.conf should set me free? |
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| 02:17.04 | loke___ | asg do i need the ''? |
| 02:17.06 | asg | loke___: provided a) /etc/resolv.conf doesn't contain bogus information and b) x.x.x.x is a relevant NS |
| 02:17.15 | kremlyn | Once a .deb is made and installed, you can "hold" it can't you.. so it won't be touched by future upgrade processes. |
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| 02:17.19 | darcy | loke also check your /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 02:17.28 | darcy | but that should be fine |
| 02:17.32 | loke___ | asg: resolv.conf doesnt contain anything |
| 02:17.33 | asg | loke___: is there anything in /etc/resolv.conf right now? |
| 02:17.38 | thomas_adam | kremlyn: echo "foo hold" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 02:17.51 | loke___ | asg: there is but it contains nothing |
| 02:17.56 | asg | loke___: then add a 'nameserver ip.of.your.relevant.nameserver' line to it |
| 02:18.00 | loke___ | o k |
| 02:18.01 | kremlyn | thomas_adam: But it will work with custom made .debs right? |
| 02:18.07 | thomas_adam | kremlyn: to unhold, do: echo "foo install" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 02:18.14 | thomas_adam | kremlyn: Once installed, yes. |
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| 02:18.19 | debian | You're using the mICQ package provided by Debian. Since the Debian maintainer is extremely |
| 02:18.19 | debian | uncooperative, you're adviced to use the better quality package from micq.org. |
| 02:18.35 | debian | Should I add the line in sources.list as advised? |
| 02:18.36 | kremlyn | Fantastic, thanks! Appreciated :-) |
| 02:18.49 | gravity | mICQ? Oh, not that crap again |
| 02:19.06 | mwilson | debian: Translation: the Debian maintainer caught me putting a trojan in my software and called me on it. |
| 02:19.09 | debian | gravity: please kindly adviase another textbased icq client? I need that for my customer. :) |
| 02:19.17 | debian | mwilson: LOL I figured that. :) |
| 02:19.29 | Bill2 | anybody know how I alias something (so that a nic has to use a certial module?) |
| 02:19.31 | thomas_adam | debian: apt-cache search no good for you? |
| 02:19.31 | loke___ | asg: it worked! your a f***in genius |
| 02:19.41 | thomas_adam | Bill2: You've been told. |
| 02:19.44 | debian | thomas_adam: it's too good to be true. |
| 02:19.49 | KrytenX | Bill2 pay attention |
| 02:19.49 | loke___ | asg: i appreciate the help greatly |
| 02:19.55 | gravity | debian: centericq? |
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| 02:20.00 | asg | loke___: no, but you'll have to figure out how to automate the process :) |
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| 02:20.04 | asg | loke___: you're welcome |
| 02:20.22 | gravity | thomas_adam: Apparently apt-cache search is too difficult when he's getting paid by a client for the work. |
| 02:20.35 | thomas_adam | asg: nn |
| 02:20.35 | debian | gravity: i'll try this one thanks |
| 02:20.37 | thomas_adam | gravity: aah. |
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| 02:20.40 | daxxar | How do I set my fb font in menu.lst for grub? |
| 02:20.48 | thomas_adam | font? |
| 02:20.49 | thomas_adam | hahaha |
| 02:20.50 | Bill2 | thomas_adam oh sorry my highight feature didnt work I will go read. |
| 02:20.53 | thomas_adam | wtf would you want to? |
| 02:21.03 | daxxar | is this correct: 'kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.6-stripped root=/dev/hda2 video=vesafb:ywrap,mtrr,font=SUN8x16 vga=0x317 ro' |
| 02:21.13 | daxxar | well, my console font in fb :) |
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| 02:21.47 | Bill2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.55 | KrytenX | no |
| 02:22.02 | thomas_adam | Bill2: No, whatshisname was being a lazy git. |
| 02:22.03 | KrytenX | edit /etc/modules.conf, add that line yourself |
| 02:22.05 | loke___ | asg: automate the process? |
| 02:22.11 | thomas_adam | loke___: he's in bed. |
| 02:22.13 | daxxar | thomas_adam: to make the font smaller? =) |
| 02:22.15 | loke___ | ahh |
| 02:22.22 | daxxar | thomas_adam: or different? ;) |
| 02:22.26 | thomas_adam | loke___: what do you need automating? |
| 02:22.32 | thomas_adam | daxxar: see the bootprompt howto |
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| 02:22.43 | loke___ | how do i make my resolution 1920x1200, the driver is on vesa right now because ati didnt work? |
| 02:22.44 | daxxar | ok :) |
| 02:22.58 | Justin | !tell loke___ about didn't work |
| 02:23.00 | thomas_adam | loke___: vesa is very slow. |
| 02:23.01 | loke___ | thomas_adam: i dunno what i need automating |
| 02:23.15 | thomas_adam | loke___: also /J #ati and ask there |
| 02:23.41 | loke___ | ok |
| 02:23.51 | erik | hey, are there any freeradius packages floating around? i'm quite surprised it's not in debian |
| 02:23.53 | loke___ | u guys are funny in here with the !tell thing |
| 02:24.10 | thomas_adam | !tell erik about search |
| 02:24.10 | loke___ | do u guys have the gs thing too? |
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| 02:24.17 | thomas_adam | loke___: gs? |
| 02:24.22 | loke___ | !tell loke about search |
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| 02:24.45 | Guerin | !tell loke___ about /msg |
| 02:24.48 | mwilson | How are there no freeradius packages? |
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| 02:25.07 | thu | my init is respawning like crazy.. how can I tell what's wrong with it? |
| 02:25.08 | mwilson | erik: Did you even make a cursory look? |
| 02:25.10 | Justin | mwilson: you spelled it wrong? |
| 02:25.13 | Justin | oh, heh |
| 02:25.17 | daxxar | thomas_adam: It doesn't seem to tell me how to set the font for it, thomas_adam :) |
| 02:25.18 | loke___ | thomas_adam on efnet #redhat and #fedora they have a bot that google searches |
| 02:25.28 | erik | mwilson, indeed |
| 02:25.30 | Justin | !tell erik about search |
| 02:25.31 | loke___ | gs whatever |
| 02:25.35 | erik | i was trying to install radiusd-freeradius however, heh |
| 02:25.36 | tvon | google bots aint hard to come by |
| 02:25.39 | Guerin | loke___: they have one here too, but don't you have a web browser? |
| 02:25.40 | zinx | !info freeradius woody |
| 02:25.41 | erik | looks like the package has changed names |
| 02:25.42 | erik | thanks |
| 02:25.46 | thomas_adam | Moron |
| 02:25.58 | erik | hah |
| 02:25.59 | zinx | it's not in woody, anyway :/ |
| 02:26.00 | tvon | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.01 | erik | world-class linux support |
| 02:26.02 | xsdg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.03 | xsdg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.03 | xsdg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:26.16 | zinx | (yes, i'm aware it's in unstable/testing) |
| 02:26.23 | xsdg | why can't apt parallelize accesses? (even though it wouldn't really help in my case :o) |
| 02:26.27 | erik | also, it's not in stable, which is what i happen to be running |
| 02:26.28 | erik | Moron :) |
| 02:26.35 | daxxar | thomas_adam: I've looked at quite a few docs about framebuffer, but i can't find an example on how to set the font ;) |
| 02:26.40 | zinx | erik: check backports.org and apt-get.org |
| 02:26.52 | thomas_adam | daxxar: You can do it using stm |
| 02:26.56 | zinx | erik: those are great sites to bookmark, btw |
| 02:27.01 | thomas_adam | daxxar: But that's not even related to FB. |
| 02:27.03 | erik | zinx; thanks |
| 02:27.25 | daxxar | thomas_adam: oh, stm? |
| 02:27.32 | abydos | Is there a program in apt to generate/download celestial maps for a certain area and time? |
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| 02:27.40 | thomas_adam | daxxar: svagtextmode |
| 02:27.45 | Guerin | abydos: kstars |
| 02:27.50 | abydos | Guerin: thx. |
| 02:27.52 | thomas_adam | abydos: look for one, kstars for example. |
| 02:28.03 | thu | kstars is nice |
| 02:28.14 | dob | sometimes when i exit from an ssh session , the connection remains alive, i see the "logout" message in console but it is still connected , why ? |
| 02:28.15 | thu | celestia is good for playing around |
| 02:28.20 | mwilson | xephem if you don't see a reason to install all of KDE just to generate a map. |
| 02:28.25 | daxxar | thomas_adam: Oh :-) |
| 02:28.31 | thu | you don't install _all_ of kde |
| 02:28.38 | Guerin | my mum uses it to do astrological tables, then compares them with various other readings |
| 02:28.41 | daxxar | thomas_adam, well, the fb guides i read talked about setting font as a kernel parameter? |
| 02:28.52 | thomas_adam | daxxar: More than likely. |
| 02:28.54 | abydos | I need to install a star map, because I'm going to go stargazing tonight, and I want to know what's out. |
| 02:28.56 | thu | Guerin, your mum is an astrologer? |
| 02:29.01 | abydos | s/install/print |
| 02:29.05 | thu | abydos, get a laptop and kstars in red mode |
| 02:29.06 | thomas_adam | abydos: That's logical. Well done. |
| 02:29.12 | Guerin | thu: not professionally, no, but she knows a bit |
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| 02:29.23 | abydos | Thu: My laptop's broken, my cats weed on the keyboard. |
| 02:29.24 | daxxar | thomas_adam: any idea how i should do it? |
| 02:29.33 | Guerin | thu: she's a psychotherapist by profession |
| 02:29.43 | abydos | eyy, kstars is installed by default! |
| 02:29.44 | abydos | Nice! |
| 02:29.45 | thu | abydos, you have a stoner cat? |
| 02:29.46 | thomas_adam | daxxar: Read some more. If I check the bootprompt howto, the answer better not be there.... |
| 02:29.51 | abydos | thu: s/weed/peed |
| 02:30.08 | daxxar | thomas_adam: not afaict. |
| 02:30.14 | debian | abydos: it's bad enough to have a drug-addict cat. :) |
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| 02:30.53 | rich_ | abydos I use an external keyboard with my laptop and it doesnt need any configuration. I dont know if its because of my pnp bios or what , but somehow I just plug in the keyboard and it works. Maybe you should try that |
| 02:31.00 | kremlyn | What is the preferred method of making .debs when building a piece of software from source? |
| 02:31.10 | thomas_adam | kremlyn: You shouldn't. |
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| 02:31.17 | loke___ | debian rules |
| 02:31.32 | kremlyn | thomas_adam: How come? |
| 02:31.56 | daxxar | grah, i'll do this crap tomorrow, way too tired. |
| 02:32.09 | thomas_adam | daxxar: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-15.html |
| 02:32.19 | thomas_adam | daxxar: That took me ~30 seconds. |
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| 02:32.51 | daxxar | hm, wierd. it was talking about some font: stuff in the framebuffer thing i read. |
| 02:32.51 | abydos | rich_: That, and the power supply keeps shorting out so I can't charge the batteries. |
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| 02:33.31 | kremlyn | thomas_adam: I thought if I made .deb out of it, I would be able to uninstall/purge it with much less hassle |
| 02:33.38 | daxxar | why does kbd remove base-config and console-tools? |
| 02:33.44 | thomas_adam | kremlyn: /msg dpkg stow |
| 02:33.45 | marga | Hi! Does anybody here know if it's possible to find spare straight network cables for d-i lab? |
| 02:33.54 | thomas_adam | daxxar: hehehe |
| 02:34.08 | Guerin | marga: say what? |
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| 02:34.11 | thomas_adam | marga: Tried a skip? |
| 02:34.19 | Guerin | s/skip/dumpster/ |
| 02:34.20 | john | hello, I am having a problem with startx on my ibook |
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| 02:34.25 | thomas_adam | Guerin: d-i lab would be beta4 testing en masse? |
| 02:34.30 | kremlyn | thomas_adam: Right. Where can I get/read about stow? |
| 02:34.35 | thomas_adam | !tell john about ask |
| 02:34.36 | daxxar | i was hoping for a quick resolution to this annoyance, but it seems i'll have to postpone it. good night all :) |
| 02:34.43 | thomas_adam | !tell kremlyn about stow |
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| 02:34.46 | Guerin | thomas_adam: I wouldn't have thought they'd have many cable troubles... |
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| 02:35.07 | marga | thomas_adam, sorry? |
| 02:35.32 | thomas_adam | kremlyn: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/KeepingTrack |
| 02:35.38 | marga | thomas_adam, right, I have just realized I'm the wrong channel please ignore me completely. |
| 02:35.45 | thomas_adam | Guerin: I think you missed my little "joke". |
| 02:35.52 | thomas_adam | marga: np. |
| 02:35.56 | kremlyn | thomas_adam: thanks.. will read it now. |
| 02:35.57 | john | when i type startx on my ibook, the i get a fatal server error: no screens found |
| 02:36.10 | thomas_adam | !tell john about noscreensfound |
| 02:36.15 | thomas_adam | !tell john about ask |
| 02:36.17 | thu | john, X -configure |
| 02:36.18 | thomas_adam | !tell john about sicco |
| 02:36.19 | erik | !tell john about fuck-you |
| 02:36.25 | Guerin | thomas_adam: the one about the skip? Not unless skip means something other than what I think it does... |
| 02:36.36 | thomas_adam | Guerin: no no -- oh, nevermind. :) |
| 02:36.37 | marga | thomas_adam, actually d-i lab is a daily-d-i-build testing en mass. I'm at debconf. |
| 02:36.38 | Dk_Shadow | I have installed Debian 3.0 on a dual boot system that uses a Western digital HD and EZ-BIOS so I can't use LILO. I use a boot floppy to get into the system and have installed a new kernel trying to get the driver for the D-Link NIC card. How do I make a new boot floppy for the new kernel(2.4.18) ?? |
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| 02:36.39 | Bu5H | im probably an idiot, but where is the fat32 support in 2.6.6? |
| 02:36.47 | thomas_adam | marga: aaah |
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| 02:37.20 | Justin | Dk_Shadow: uh, when you install the kernel it asks you if you want to make a boot disk |
| 02:37.22 | Guerin | Dk_Shadow: you need to install a bootloader |
| 02:37.35 | Guerin | s/a/another/ |
| 02:37.47 | Guerin | unless ezbios means you can't use a bootloader? |
| 02:38.05 | Guerin | in which case its name should be changed to evilbios |
| 02:38.31 | Guerin | Bu5H: in the kernel. It's called vfat |
| 02:38.41 | Dk_Shadow | I did the apt-get install kernael ... and it installed from teh CD that I had then it ask if Iwanted to change LILO and i answered no... Now what?? |
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| 02:38.50 | thomas_adam | Dk_Shadow: prat. |
| 02:39.04 | Dk_Shadow | How do I install a boot loader I've never had to do that before |
| 02:39.06 | thomas_adam | Dk_Shadow: /msg dpkg lost lilo |
| 02:39.07 | Justin | Dk_Shadow: install it again. |
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| 02:39.23 | thomas_adam | Actually, aye install it again. |
| 02:39.24 | Guerin | Dk_Shadow: does this evilbios mean you cna't use ANY bootloader? |
| 02:40.24 | Dk_Shadow | Guerin if I could figure out how to install teh lilo on my hdc1 I'd be in good shape |
| 02:40.47 | Guerin | Dk_Shadow: man lilo, or use grub instead |
| 02:40.59 | Dk_Shadow | my hdc1 is 3 m for the ex-bios |
| 02:41.12 | Guerin | !confuse Dk_Shadow |
| 02:41.12 | dpkg | no, what are our pineapple tomorrow, Dk_Shadow ? by order of the people's republic of tahiti with extra anchovies |
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| 02:41.15 | Dk_Shadow | I'll look at grub, thanks |
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| 02:42.36 | dan2 | peterS: you there? |
| 02:42.38 | sbalneav | What's the best way to get a java plugin running on Sarge? My kids need it for some silly internet game. I'm thinking simply downloading and installing it from sun isn't the "debian" way. I'm running the mozilla-firefox package for my browser. |
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| 02:43.01 | kremlyn | thomas_adam: Does stow just do binaries, or does it do configuration files, man pages etc? |
| 02:43.03 | Guerin | !tell sbalneav about java |
| 02:43.16 | thomas_adam | kremlyn: The whole lot. |
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| 02:44.20 | kremlyn | Is there a danger in using it? Like, if I install a program which uses something installed directly via source, stow won't stop me from deleting it will it? |
| 02:44.22 | thomas_adam | !tell sbalneav about mozilla jre plugin |
| 02:44.30 | thomas_adam | kremlyn: No. |
| 02:44.36 | Dk_Shadow | thomas_adam prat?? |
| 02:44.41 | kremlyn | So then the other program won't work |
| 02:44.48 | thomas_adam | kremlyn: Just ensure /usr/local/bin comes before /usr/bin in your $PATH |
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| 02:45.11 | kremlyn | how come? |
| 02:45.17 | FieldySnuts | somewhat offtopic but here we go. i have a wireless access point, and i used to be able to connect to it in any web browser and configure it. now i get refused. if i try to telnet to it, port 80, refused. any other machine on the lan is fine (though none are mine, and I can't get at them now). again this used to work fine, any ideas? |
| 02:45.19 | sbalneav | Guerin, thx. looks like manual install is the way to go. Silly online games, here I come.... |
| 02:45.25 | sbalneav | thomas_adam, thx as well. |
| 02:45.34 | Justin | FieldySnuts: linksys? |
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| 02:45.50 | FieldySnuts | Justin: the wap is, yep |
| 02:45.51 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 02:45.52 | dan2 | FieldySnuts: yeah, my linksys router did that |
| 02:45.52 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of rabid hamsters. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 02:46.02 | sussudio | =:-B |
| 02:46.02 | Dk_Shadow | thanks for the suggestion all |
| 02:46.07 | FieldySnuts | Justin / dan2 : interesting. this is common? |
| 02:46.10 | Justin | FieldySnuts: yep, they do that for some reason... mine just did... a ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 fixed it |
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| 02:46.20 | dan2 | FieldySnuts: yeah its fucked |
| 02:46.23 | FieldySnuts | Justin: nope, this has been going on for weeks, across reboots, etc. |
| 02:46.37 | FieldySnuts | damn wap is in another building that I can't get at too |
| 02:46.51 | FieldySnuts | interesting that this has happened to others. |
| 02:47.16 | sussudio | interesting? |
| 02:47.16 | FieldySnuts | guess i'll have to bother them tomorrow, maybe try a firmware upgrade on it too |
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| 02:48.03 | sussudio | interesting would be if the piece of linksys crap actually continued working |
| 02:48.36 | FieldySnuts | it's been flawless otherwise |
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| 02:49.37 | sussudio | also interesting; the carton of milk that i just emptied that was about 6 weeks past its date and the contents were still liquid |
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| 02:49.47 | rich_ | I bought a linksys pcmcia nic about two years ago for around $30 us and it still works fine. I think thats pretty amazing |
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| 02:50.28 | dan2 | FieldySnuts: this stuff happens when the hardware becomes a year old, its like its mid-life crisis :) |
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| 02:50.56 | FieldySnuts | i bet a firmware upgrade will do the trick, we'll see |
| 02:51.11 | FieldySnuts | damn thing changed my ip so the forwards i had set up don't work now, heh |
| 02:51.13 | dan2 | FieldySnuts: I have upgraded my routers firmware a billion times |
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| 02:51.55 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - Is it u doing the debstats? |
| 02:51.57 | FieldySnuts | better not be permanent, it's not even 2 months old |
| 02:51.59 | FieldySnuts | we'll see |
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| 02:52.39 | sussudio | !do debstats |
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| 02:53.02 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - How can i put an image near my nick like others'? |
| 02:53.13 | sussudio | Hyp3rion: you don't |
| 02:53.38 | Hyp3rion | >:-< |
| 02:53.42 | FriendFromChina1 | anyone can give me a clue of how long that Gnome 2.6 might be into Sarge? |
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| 02:53.55 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - why cannot i while others can? |
| 02:53.57 | sussudio | !topicbadger FriendFromChina1 |
| 02:53.58 | dpkg | /topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*READ IT*READ IT*/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*a shaaame it's a shaaame that FriendFromChina1 didn't read the*/topic/topic/topic/topic... |
| 02:54.00 | Ajakk | anyone know how to get procmail to filter messages (Based upon header info) into maildir folders |
| 02:54.11 | gravity | FriendFromChina1: Hopefully 10 days, if all migrates well and no RC bugs pop up |
| 02:54.28 | sussudio | Hyp3rion: maybe if i find a picture of something suitable hungarian and annoying for you. |
| 02:54.42 | sussudio | maybe some fleas or ticks |
| 02:54.46 | Hyp3rion | ? |
| 02:54.58 | FriendFromChina1 | gravity: Ok,thanks.I am now using unstable.And wanna back to Sarge.So I have to know And wait for it. |
| 02:55.00 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - u know me irl? |
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| 02:55.35 | dan2 | !topicsmite FriendFromChina1 |
| 02:55.36 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon FriendFromChina1. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 02:56.54 | bofh80 | would a 200mhz MMX cpu use the 586(classic) or 686 ppro up. ?? |
| 02:57.16 | FriendFromChina1 | dan2: I've read it before I come to ask.But not a exactly time.some one can guess it but not me. |
| 02:57.24 | thod | bofh80: pentium pro didn't have mmx |
| 02:57.25 | steven_ | when you write an exploit what kind of code is the one for the shell, it looks like shell[] = "\xdb\x34\xdf\.....\bin\sh\0" |
| 02:57.47 | darcy | pity gnome 2.6 sucks so bad though ;-) |
| 02:57.49 | bofh80 | thod: classic then? cat /proc/cpu just says pentium MMX |
| 02:58.02 | gravity | FriendFromChina1: If you want to know more about how packages move from unstable to testing, check Debian Policy. It'll give you the scoop. |
| 02:58.10 | sussudio | hmm real ugly dog named pety... |
| 02:58.16 | thod | bofh80: isn't there a pentium mmx in the list? |
| 02:58.41 | XinmingLai | gravity: Ok,thanks |
| 02:58.51 | bofh80 | thod: i'm talking about the right kernel image to use? |
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| 02:59.42 | thod | bofh80: ahh ok. then go for a pentium classic. ppro or i686 won't work. |
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| 03:00.01 | bofh80 | thod: great stuff. cheers. |
| 03:00.12 | thod | bofh80: no worries mate. |
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| 03:00.30 | Bill | did I flood in here? |
| 03:00.38 | Bill | I thought I was flooding inf flood... |
| 03:00.48 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - and farkas! you insult people like this? why pety? you fucker! |
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| 03:01.22 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - are you farkas? |
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| 03:01.41 | Hyp3rion | or who are you? |
| 03:01.47 | sussudio | ok... in the picture goes then. |
| 03:02.12 | Hyp3rion | ? |
| 03:02.36 | Bill | can you guys see me? |
| 03:02.53 | KrytenX | nope |
| 03:03.22 | karsten | Bill: No |
| 03:03.24 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - i still see no pic! |
| 03:03.34 | karsten | !tell Bill about test |
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| 03:04.29 | Bill | krytenx wants you to know: wolk is probably Working Overloaded Linux Kernel ??????????????????? |
| 03:04.40 | KrytenX | eh? |
| 03:04.48 | Bill | thats waht I got from mr kpkg |
| 03:04.51 | Bill | dpkg |
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| 03:05.04 | Hyp3rion | !tell Bill -about ep |
| 03:05.17 | jake | I'm setting up a debian webserver. I've got php running on it, but there is a problem. I wrote a form.html page that posted its contents to a checkOrders.php script. It transfers the browser, but none of the post data goes through. I have verified this with some other form posting pages that I know were working on another machine, and the same thing happened. is this an apache or php problem, and how do i fix it? |
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| 03:05.25 | KrytenX | you must've asked what it was. don't remember |
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| 03:08.17 | gpm | hey, is there a program i can add to my xinitrc to get a pointer instead of the X for my mouse cursor? |
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| 03:09.38 | jake | short version: my webserver doesn't post form data. how to i fix this? |
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| 03:11.21 | gring0 | hi |
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| 03:11.55 | loke___ | i tried to make menuconfig to compile my kernel and it says i need ncurses, what package do i need to apt install to get ncurses? |
| 03:12.32 | cafuego | libncurses5-dev |
| 03:13.00 | NigelS | loke___: remember to use apt-cache search |
| 03:13.21 | loke___ | i did apt-cache search ncurses |
| 03:13.21 | sbalneav | gpm: xsetroot -cursor_name <whatever cursor you want> |
| 03:13.50 | loke___ | apt-cache search came up with a whole list, im new to debian, just switched form redhat/fedora |
| 03:14.17 | sbalneav | gpm: try xsetroot -cursor_name top_left_arrow |
| 03:14.19 | Justin | loke___: why are you compiling a kernel |
| 03:14.42 | rich_ | sussudio Why wouldnt it? Because aol , like a lot of cable companies relies on cacheing? |
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| 03:15.56 | sussudio | rich_: because i put deny *.* in robots.txt? |
| 03:16.17 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - google crawls it too! |
| 03:16.32 | rich_ | sussudio Oh I see. thanks. |
| 03:16.42 | KrytenX | and it's Disallow, not deny |
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| 03:17.11 | gcbirzan | User-agent: * |
| 03:17.11 | gcbirzan | Disallow: / |
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| 03:17.24 | sussudio | yeah whatever was default for buggering spiderbots. |
| 03:17.42 | wookie | will stable dist pick up my SATA drive on a fresh install? |
| 03:17.53 | sussudio | wookie: no |
| 03:17.54 | Hyp3rion | KrytenX - and its <meta name="robots" content="nocache"/> but i dunno :-/ |
| 03:17.56 | vladkao | wookie: stable no |
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| 03:18.03 | wookie | testing? |
| 03:18.10 | sussudio | wookie: not likely |
| 03:18.16 | sussudio | !tell wookie about d-i |
| 03:18.50 | wookie | #debian-boot |
| 03:18.57 | wookie | hrehrhr |
| 03:19.06 | wookie | !tell sussudio thanks |
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| 03:19.34 | KrytenX | maybe nocache,noarchive *shrug* |
| 03:19.42 | tvon | Can anyone point me to information regarding the Debian policy towards wallpaper and splash-screen locations? I'm going through the policy manual but I'm not finding any obvious answers. |
| 03:19.57 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - i recommend editing something else too, because the Content-Type is buggy as hell! |
| 03:20.07 | simonrvn | tvon: look up the os-pics package maybe |
| 03:20.12 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - jpegs dont display but show the raw thing :-/ |
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| 03:20.59 | wookie | !tell wookie about d-i |
| 03:21.11 | Hyp3rion | wookie - /query dpkg |
| 03:21.15 | gravity | wookie: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 03:21.24 | wookie | ahh |
| 03:21.37 | wookie | closed the tab and need the info again... so just though i would tell myself! |
| 03:21.38 | zamolxes | a ctrl+s locks my xterm. any ideea how can I unlock it? |
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| 03:21.51 | XinmingLai | anyone can tell me how to find a .o file which it comes from? |
| 03:22.01 | XinmingLai | or from which package. |
| 03:22.19 | vladkao | XinmingLai: perhaps strngs file.o |
| 03:22.19 | zamolxes | XinmingLai, dpkg -S file |
| 03:22.50 | zamolxes | XinmingLai, or if you don't have the package install, try installing apt-file, or look for it at packages.debian.net |
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| 03:23.00 | zamolxes | s/install/installed |
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| 03:23.40 | XinmingLai | zamolxes: Ok,thanks |
| 03:23.53 | pmwilson | are there any recommended virtual server hosting companies that provide debian servers? |
| 03:24.03 | wookie | anyone tried to get a SATA drive installed? |
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| 03:24.06 | XinmingLai | vladkao: thanks all the same.zamolxes catch what I mean. |
| 03:24.14 | loke___ | when i am compiling i need to do make-kpkg kernel_image and make-kpkg_headers, correct? |
| 03:24.29 | loke___ | then dpkg -i both? |
| 03:24.44 | pmwilson | loke___: you only really need the image, the headers are in case you want to later compile things against the kernel |
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| 03:24.52 | vladkao | XinmingLai: np. but my suggestion was based on your first sentence only. |
| 03:24.59 | pmwilson | loke___: if you make-kpkg --targets you can see the tree of names |
| 03:25.19 | XinmingLai | vladkao: I have to connect :-) |
| 03:25.21 | loke___ | so i only need image? |
| 03:25.27 | pmwilson | loke___: you can just use make-kpkg binary-arch to make both of those. and yes, then just dpkg -i blah.deb blah-headers.deb |
| 03:26.47 | loke___ | pmwilson so i should just make-kpg binary-arch |
| 03:26.58 | loke___ | then dpkg -i both.deb? |
| 03:27.07 | pmwilson | loke___: sure. |
| 03:27.15 | loke___ | this is confusing man |
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| 03:27.55 | pmwilson | loke___: it is much less confusing and much less mess-up-able than doing it the traditional/non-debian way. |
| 03:28.40 | loke___ | what is that way pmwilson? |
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| 03:28.53 | loke___ | whats the easier way? |
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| 03:29.27 | loke___ | pmwilson, hey i added my nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf and when i reboot it isnt there anymore, how can i make it saved there? |
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| 03:29.51 | pmwilson | loke___: eh... if you are using dhcp, it overwrites that file.... |
| 03:30.02 | loke___ | i am using dhcp |
| 03:30.22 | pmwilson | loke___: what you can do is add your nameserver into a file (let me find it)... and i'll prepend it to what the dhcp stuff generates |
| 03:30.24 | loke___ | well i need that file to contain the nameserver address |
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| 03:30.36 | CompWizrd | can't fix the dhcp server? |
| 03:30.38 | pmwilson | loke___: hangon. it's easy. |
| 03:31.00 | loke___ | CompWizrd - almost got it |
| 03:31.25 | pmwilson | loke___: oh... if it is your dhcp server... just add the nameserver to what it hands out. |
| 03:31.46 | loke___ | add the nameserver to what it hands out? |
| 03:31.53 | loke___ | its no mine |
| 03:31.56 | loke___ | not |
| 03:32.03 | pmwilson | loke___: nevermind then. hangon |
| 03:32.05 | loke___ | its my isp's |
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| 03:32.49 | pmwilson | loke___: do you have a /etc/dhclient.conf ? |
| 03:32.49 | pmwilson | loke___: edit it (as root) and add a line that says: |
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| 03:33.16 | pmwilson | loke___: prepend domain-name-servers ###.###.###.###; |
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| 03:33.46 | loke___ | prepend??? |
| 03:33.50 | pmwilson | where the ###... stuff is the ip address of the nameserver you want to use before the ones your isp tells you to use |
| 03:33.57 | pmwilson | yeah, the word prepend |
| 03:34.08 | pmwilson | it means "add to the beginning of" |
| 03:34.15 | pmwilson | type it literally though |
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| 03:34.45 | peterS | somebody update the 'debian servers are down for a day' thing |
| 03:34.50 | pmwilson | the line should say "prepend domain-name-servers 192.168.1.30;" or something like that |
| 03:35.06 | pmwilson | there should be lots of examples in that file |
| 03:35.24 | loke___ | ok done |
| 03:35.30 | sjtu | How to use xft fonts in ~/GNUsteps/Defaults/WindowMaker file? |
| 03:35.36 | loke___ | now when i reboot it should stay like that? |
| 03:35.40 | pmwilson | loke___: so... when you added stuff to resolve.conf, what exactly did you add? |
| 03:35.47 | loke___ | that line was set to local host |
| 03:35.55 | pmwilson | loke___: you hardly ever need to reboot linux... but yes. |
| 03:36.10 | pmwilson | loke___: what line? |
| 03:36.12 | _tomb0y | is there much difference between software raid 0, and lvm ? |
| 03:36.22 | loke___ | i did echo 'namesever x.x.x.x' > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:36.29 | loke___ | x.x.x.x is dns |
| 03:36.30 | pmwilson | _tomb0y: yes. |
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| 03:36.44 | Justin | loke___: why are you screwing with resolv.conf |
| 03:36.51 | pmwilson | loke___: ok, then yes.... that should do what you wanted. |
| 03:37.06 | loke___ | pmwilson does it matter which file i dpkg -i headers or image first? |
| 03:37.07 | pmwilson | Justin: b/c he didn't know any better. and dhcp wasn't providing him the right information |
| 03:37.32 | Justin | pmwilson: he should fix the dhcp, rather than creating more problems |
| 03:37.35 | pmwilson | loke___: nah. they don't depend on each other, i don't think. |
| 03:37.36 | loke___ | pmwilson i was editing /etc/resolv.conf because of what mentor and asg were telling me |
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| 03:37.43 | pmwilson | Justin: it's not his dhcp server. |
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| 03:37.58 | _tomb0y | pmwilson: hmm, as in? cuz ive always used lvm, but did some testing with raid0, and they both come out to exact same size, and roughly same speeds. only advantage i see with lvm, is if i ever add in a new drive, and it changes the device names, i can still tell which device is in which raid, unlike raid 0 |
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| 03:38.12 | pmwilson | Justin: i just told him to modify /etc/dhclient.conf to add what he wanted. |
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| 03:38.34 | kremlyn | The DHCP server is not within his control! |
| 03:38.38 | loke___ | pmwilson /etc/dhclient.conf seems like the right file, more so that /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:38.42 | Justin | 21:47 < loke___> dns and dhcp server is my router |
| 03:38.53 | Justin | riiiight, he doesn't have control over "his router" |
| 03:38.55 | loke___ | Justin i was wrong |
| 03:39.02 | loke___ | the dns is from the isp |
| 03:39.03 | kremlyn | Hmm, there was also one line where he said it came from the ISP.. |
| 03:39.06 | kremlyn | Yes. |
| 03:39.09 | Justin | loke___: do you know ANYTHING? |
| 03:39.17 | loke___ | but the computers are configure to look to the router for the dns |
| 03:39.20 | loke___ | ahhhhhh |
| 03:39.20 | pmwilson | _tomb0y: well... its' a different concept ..... lvm just sticks your disks together in a row |
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| 03:39.40 | loke___ | so i should config /etc/dhclient.conf to look to the router for the dns |
| 03:39.44 | loke___ | correct? justin |
| 03:39.53 | kremlyn | Therefore, loke___ you need to give more correct info. But, pmwilson is right. Edit /etc/dhclient.conf to override what the ISP's DHCP server sends down. Now, who wants muffins? |
| 03:40.10 | silvita | whos the adm? |
| 03:40.19 | Justin | loke___: no, you should start over, since you keep changing your story |
| 03:40.41 | loke___ | justin: my windows box points to my router for dns address |
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| 03:40.50 | Hyp3rion | loke___ wait windoze can get the nameserver from the router via dhcp, right? |
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| 03:40.57 | pmwilson | _tomb0y: raid0 spreads the data out evenly across the drives. you can't add another drive later. |
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| 03:41.01 | loke___ | yes |
| 03:41.12 | kremlyn | loke___: !! wtf? The story keeps changing. |
| 03:41.17 | Hyp3rion | loke___ so the router's dhcpd is working! |
| 03:41.18 | dan2 | peterS: ? |
| 03:41.20 | loke___ | yes |
| 03:41.25 | Hyp3rion | hmm |
| 03:41.29 | kremlyn | bah. |
| 03:41.31 | peterS | dan2: I'm alive |
| 03:41.37 | loke___ | check it out |
| 03:41.40 | Hyp3rion | loke___ apt-get install dhcp3-client |
| 03:41.47 | pmwilson | _tomb0y: you should use identical drives w/ raid0 otherwise you won't be able to use the entire drive... or the performance will suffer. |
| 03:41.59 | Hyp3rion | loke___ or do you still have this version? |
| 03:42.00 | loke___ | when i ipconfig/all dns server is 192.168.2.1 = the router |
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| 03:42.09 | dan2 | peterS: thomas_adam checked out handy work, I used ddd, gdb, valgrind, it all points back to db_connect, but the ltdl stuff works |
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| 03:42.15 | kremlyn | loke___: Just listen for a second. |
| 03:42.23 | loke___ | ok |
| 03:42.28 | peterS | dan2: so, db_connect() itself, inside the mysql module, is crashing? |
| 03:42.37 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - fucking stop nmapping me! i have iptables! wanadoo.nl! |
| 03:42.38 | kremlyn | loke___: Your router gets its DNS info from the ISP. Your workstation gets its DNS information from the router.. is this correct? |
| 03:42.43 | loke___ | yes |
| 03:42.50 | dan2 | peterS: I couldn't figure it out, this ltdl stuff limits my knowledge, but for the most part, I think yes |
| 03:43.02 | kremlyn | Which box is the one you want to change the DNS settings for? |
| 03:43.10 | loke___ | debian |
| 03:43.20 | kremlyn | Duh. The workstatin or the Router? |
| 03:43.29 | loke___ | workstation |
| 03:43.30 | dan2 | peterS: btw, ddd is a nice frontend to gdb |
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| 03:43.42 | peterS | dan2: so I hear. doesn't it use motif or something? |
| 03:43.47 | loke___ | the router is correct, i was having trouble getting debian box online |
| 03:43.56 | bipolar | can anyone tell me what package to remove that will remove everything that has anything to do with gnome? I'm a kde user and I want to get rid of all these gnome procs cloging up my menu. :) |
| 03:43.58 | kremlyn | Right. And the workstation runs debian, and gets its DNS info from the router, which runs a dhcp server of its own/ |
| 03:44.06 | loke___ | yes |
| 03:44.07 | peterS | yeah, I see it does |
| 03:44.09 | kremlyn | OK. |
| 03:44.12 | Hyp3rion | kremlyn - no wait |
| 03:44.19 | dan2 | peterS: I think so |
| 03:44.19 | loke___ | kremlyn, let me finish |
| 03:44.20 | kremlyn | So you want to then edit what the ROUTER is sending out |
| 03:44.25 | Hyp3rion | kremlyn - the windows box is not the router |
| 03:44.27 | loke___ | no let me finish |
| 03:44.30 | kremlyn | Not what the workstation accepts. |
| 03:44.32 | Hyp3rion | if i got it right |
| 03:44.36 | dan2 | peterS: lesstif2 |
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| 03:45.30 | loke___ | i am going to alter the line "prepend domain-name-server 192.168.2.1" in my /etc/dhclinet.conf to point to the router for the dns address |
| 03:45.40 | _tomb0y | pmwilson: yea i know, the thing is i have like 10 identical drives, making small 2 drive raides, the thing is if i add in like a 11th/12th drive, later on, sometimes the device names change, so trying to think how i can label a device so if it does change, i know which raid it belongs to |
| 03:45.48 | loke___ | before that line was set to 127.0.0.1 local host |
| 03:45.58 | loke___ | i think it should work |
| 03:46.07 | loke___ | im going to edit it and reboot |
| 03:46.19 | kremlyn | loke___: Right. It will. But why not set up your own dhcpd server to give out the right info in the first place? |
| 03:46.39 | loke___ | heh |
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| 03:46.42 | kremlyn | loke___: What are you going to do, fsck with the resolv.conf on every box? Why not get the server doing the right thing? |
| 03:46.44 | loke___ | the router is the server |
| 03:46.45 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - wtf is this? i can only see pety.jpg not peth_big.jpg :-? |
| 03:46.56 | dan2 | peterS: it appears it infinetly hangs at db_connect() |
| 03:46.58 | kremlyn | ahh forget it. good luck. |
| 03:47.10 | FieldySnuts | @confuse . |
| 03:47.11 | loke___ | k |
| 03:47.12 | dan2 | peterS: I can tell the ltdl stuff is working tho |
| 03:47.14 | ravenbird | no how is my gerbil tomorrow ? |
| 03:47.16 | peterS | dan2: sounds like that's getting into mysql programming, which I haven't done |
| 03:47.18 | loke___ | kremlyn its fixed |
| 03:47.20 | FieldySnuts | come on get off the gerbil stuff |
| 03:47.21 | FieldySnuts | @confuse . |
| 03:47.23 | ravenbird | no those are my pants tomorrow ? |
| 03:47.32 | sussudio | !lose ravenbird |
| 03:47.33 | dpkg | ravenbird: You Lose. |
| 03:47.45 | dan2 | peterS: neither have I |
| 03:47.47 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: confuse glass |
| 03:47.47 | dpkg | no, where is my badger tomorrow, glass ? by order of the republic of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 03:48.05 | peterS | FieldySnuts: yawn |
| 03:48.11 | sussudio | Hyp3rion: i'm not nmapping you miserable little pigfucker stop lying or i'm calling ops |
| 03:48.27 | FieldySnuts | peterS: don't forget to type /ignore Fieldy*!*@* all |
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| 03:48.37 | peterS | FieldySnuts: I didn't forget |
| 03:48.39 | FieldySnuts | ok |
| 03:50.04 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - oh i see now. its a *cough*cute*cough* dog. nothing wrong with it. hope you met it irl ;-) |
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| 03:51.42 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - should it be me who calls ops? |
| 03:52.06 | Hyp3rion | why did you call me that! |
| 03:52.23 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - its you who's miserable! |
| 03:52.32 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: you really should think carefully before accusing someone of nmapping in a public channel |
| 03:52.34 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - but why theese feelings toward me? |
| 03:52.35 | peterS | Hyp3rion: stop trolling. wanadoo.nl is not sussudio's personal domain - it's a rather popular ISP. and I find it hard to believe you didn't already know this |
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| 03:53.49 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - why nmapping isnt bad. i am not afraid. i have a good iptables setup :-/ |
| 03:53.50 | dan2 | peterS: http://rafb.net/paste/results/m6BFH871.html |
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| 03:54.11 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: nmapping without first asking permission is VERY bad |
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| 03:54.27 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: it's not a matter of danger, it's a matter of behaviour |
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| 03:55.24 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - oh. |
| 03:55.27 | peterS | Hyp3rion: oh, you did. I do like to have a *reason*, although it's not really necessary |
| 03:55.27 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: just STFU about it already |
| 03:55.46 | dan2 | sussudio: we have 51 states but Puerto Rico won't admit it |
| 03:55.50 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:55.55 | xin | Is there any way I can remove an xlibmesa-gl (provided by ati drivers) dependency from xlibmesa-gl-dev (thats needed) I tried an equiv, but apt still wants to remove my equiv package and install xlibmesa-gl |
| 03:56.07 | peterS | dan2: 52 if you count Australia |
| 03:56.12 | dan2 | peterS: hehe |
| 03:56.14 | sussudio | !ops |
| 03:56.14 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your problem. |
| 03:56.25 | dan2 | peterS: thats valgrinds output |
| 03:56.41 | CompWizrd | 53 for canada? |
| 03:56.55 | loke___ | if i enable pcmcia support in the kernel how do i have to recompile it? |
| 03:56.55 | sbalneav | CompWizrd: hey now :) |
| 03:57.03 | mwilson | EDH? <snicker> |
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| 03:57.15 | gring0 | loke: modprobe |
| 03:57.16 | gring0 | e |
| 03:57.22 | peterS | mwilson: long time no see |
| 03:57.23 | mdh | peterS: what do you mean? The USA is the 8th Australian state :) |
| 03:57.27 | dan2 | mwilson: wb |
| 03:57.40 | dan2 | mdh: I think its a recursive state :) |
| 03:57.42 | mdh | behind New Zealand I think |
| 03:57.45 | sussudio | doesn't australia have territories? |
| 03:57.45 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - call them again :-? |
| 03:57.46 | mdh | or maybe PNG |
| 03:57.47 | peterS | mdh: so you're saying Bush is the one kissing up to Howard now? |
| 03:57.51 | mwilson | Does the EDH have a name, or is it still searching for the perfect one? :) |
| 03:57.55 | Guerin | mdh: hrm, bob2 reckons that's New Zealand - but we just call Au the West Island |
| 03:58.09 | CompWizrd | sbalneav: i'm canadian :P |
| 03:58.11 | dan2 | mwilson: do you know any knowledge of mysql |
| 03:58.29 | mwilson | dan2: Only enough to get myself in trouble, plus I have the ORA book. |
| 03:58.35 | mdh | sussudio: two. 6 states, 2 territories |
| 03:58.44 | dan2 | mwilson: want to debug some mysql code for dbmail |
| 03:59.04 | sbalneav | CompWizrd: Well, then, like we all discussed down at the Tim Hortons, don't give our neighbors any ideas. :-) |
| 03:59.05 | mdh | but then there's places like Lord Howe Island, and the antarctic |
| 03:59.06 | mwilson | dan2: I'm not the guy you want. :) |
| 03:59.17 | dan2 | mwilson: peterS and I are sure that are ltdl code didn't cause any issues |
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| 03:59.27 | dan2 | :) |
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| 03:59.39 | dan2 | mwilson: look at this http://rafb.net/paste/results/m6BFH871.html |
| 03:59.50 | Guerin | dan2 you are has good england |
| 03:59.56 | thod | mdh: what are the two territorys? I only know the northan territory. |
| 04:00.11 | Guerin | thod: ACT |
| 04:00.17 | mdh | thod: Northern Territory and Australian Capital Territory |
| 04:00.23 | thod | ahh. forgot that little one :) |
| 04:00.33 | mdh | thod: its easily forgotten :) |
| 04:00.34 | peterS | dan2: here's a question for ya. does the mysql module have any dependencies on being able to call functions or read global variables from the dbmail corpus? |
| 04:00.45 | mdh | thod: (and I even live there now :( |
| 04:00.58 | dan2 | peterS: no |
| 04:01.00 | thod | mdh: so that's how you remembers :) |
| 04:01.18 | dan2 | peterS: however, libauthdbmail depends on libdbmail and vice versa |
| 04:01.21 | peterS | dan2: so the *only* way you pass parameters to the mysql module is through the db_params struct? |
| 04:01.25 | dan2 | peterS: yes |
| 04:01.32 | mwilson | 2.6 kernel? What happens if you tell it to run under the 2.4 threading model? |
| 04:01.33 | mdh | I have trouble remembering which suburb I live in now... I've moved 7 times in 10 years |
| 04:01.35 | dan2 | peterS: we tried to keep this as simple as possible |
| 04:01.45 | mwilson | That's about all *I* get out of that valgrind output. :( |
| 04:01.46 | peterS | dan2: if you have two libraries that depend on each other, why bother with two libraries? |
| 04:01.51 | peterS | dan2: as opposed to a single library |
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| 04:02.06 | dan2 | peterS: libauth will be spun off into ltdl soon as well |
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| 04:07.50 | dan2 | peterS: for the most part, ltdl is great |
| 04:07.53 | peterS | quiet lies the room |
| 04:07.56 | peterS | "CHANNEL", says the bot, "CHANNEL" |
| 04:07.57 | peterS | thus the peace disturbed |
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| 04:10.52 | floydwilde | Does anyone here use project mngmt apps with Debian? |
| 04:10.54 | simonrvn | the bots sit patiently, their electrons spinning around, intermingling with the ircd with their connections through the 'net, until, not only once, but twice someone says CHANNEL, and another person says this is great. they wake, have we been paid attention to? no, we haven't. and thus go back to sleep, waiting |
| 04:10.54 | chitiri | ops, www.debian.org and others are alive, can you update the topic ? |
| 04:11.41 | simonrvn | not one of my better ones, but it was spontaneous |
| 04:11.49 | floydwilde | I am looking at phpcollab and dotproject |
| 04:12.19 | simonrvn | chitiri: when possible yes |
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| 04:13.23 | hanasaki | i am booted in knoppix CD and need to run the lilo with the /etc/lilo.conf of hda2 how can i do this? |
| 04:13.35 | peterS | simonrvn: postmodern prose. nice. |
| 04:13.43 | simonrvn | chroot to your install |
| 04:13.51 | hanasaki | hmm |
| 04:13.59 | hanasaki | mount it under /tmp then chroot? |
| 04:14.04 | hanasaki | me goes off to man chroot |
| 04:14.07 | simonrvn | wherever |
| 04:14.07 | peterS | hanasaki: that works |
| 04:14.12 | vladkao | can i get the last channel (the one i just left) in irssi (for scripting) ? |
| 04:14.17 | peterS | hanasaki: mount /dev/hda2 /mnt; chroot /mnt /sbin/lilo |
| 04:14.26 | peterS | hanasaki: then, umount /dev/hda2, if you wish |
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| 04:14.28 | hanasaki | thanks |
| 04:14.29 | hanasaki | brb |
| 04:14.40 | hanasaki | naw.. i am going to reboot after that |
| 04:14.50 | peterS | hanasaki: you still probably want to umount |
| 04:14.58 | peterS | hanasaki: because then you can reboot with the power button |
| 04:15.24 | Hyp3rion | hanasaki - lilo -r |
| 04:15.24 | hanasaki | k |
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| 04:15.38 | loke___ | how do i uninstall packages in debian? |
| 04:15.44 | peterS | loke___: apt-get remove |
| 04:15.45 | Hyp3rion | dpkg -P |
| 04:15.45 | dpkg | Hyp3rion: bugger all, i dunno |
| 04:15.46 | peterS | loke___: or, dpkg --remove |
| 04:15.50 | hanasaki | Hyp3rion, lilo comes up w/ 99 999 whatever that means? thts why i need to run it |
| 04:16.01 | mickeyks | what's the procedure for installing two .deb files at the same time, which each depend on the other? |
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| 04:16.11 | Hyp3rion | hanasaki - lilo -r = chroot; lilo |
| 04:16.12 | peterS | mickeyks: dpkg -i file1.deb file2.deb |
| 04:16.14 | loke___ | peterS thanks |
| 04:16.15 | simonrvn | mickeyks: same command line.. |
| 04:16.19 | mickeyks | oh |
| 04:16.29 | mickeyks | hrm, i was trying to do it with & |
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| 04:16.38 | hanasaki | Hyp3rion, explain more please |
| 04:16.47 | prologic | What package provides the v4lctl command ? (I have searched the cache with no luck) |
| 04:16.48 | Hyp3rion | hanasaki - read man lilo |
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| 04:17.01 | Hyp3rion | hanasaki - but you can chroot too. they are equivalent |
| 04:17.10 | peterS | prologic: /msg dpkg find bin/v4lctl |
| 04:17.28 | hanasaki | k |
| 04:17.32 | hanasaki | brb.. i hope |
| 04:17.35 | hanasaki | looks like it worked |
| 04:17.49 | prologic | hmm ok |
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| 04:18.18 | prologic | thanks peterS, it's in xawtv... is there any other tool that will set the freq. of the tv card ? |
| 04:18.25 | prologic | other than xawtv, which has a lot of depandancies |
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| 04:18.29 | peterS | prologic: I have no idea |
| 04:18.51 | prologic | k I'll have to use xawtv's v4lctl then |
| 04:19.29 | _infrared | hello |
| 04:19.30 | prologic | only good app I've found to record from the tv card is streamer |
| 04:19.58 | _infrared | i'm trying to make a custom start-stop-daemon script for a program and everything works except for restart--when it tries to stop it says "Terminated" and won't go on to the start functionality of restart.. any clues? |
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| 04:23.04 | opp | how do i mount another hard disk also containing linux ?? |
| 04:23.19 | simonrvn | _infrared: look at one of the init scripts for a clue |
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| 04:24.50 | vladkao | opp: man mount |
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| 04:26.38 | Master_Yoer | please help, I get this error when I use apt-get |
| 04:26.38 | Master_Yoer | /tmp/apache-common.config.1821931: line 9: dpkg: command not found |
| 04:26.38 | Master_Yoer | Could not exec dpkg! |
| 04:26.38 | Master_Yoer | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (100) |
| 04:26.38 | Master_Yoer | ox_king:~# |
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| 04:26.45 | simonrvn | FFS |
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| 04:27.00 | Master_Yoer | sorry, thought that was goign on one line |
| 04:27.01 | Hyp3rion | no dpkg lol! |
| 04:27.02 | simonrvn | whoah |
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| 04:27.21 | Master_Yoer | Is there any way I can download dpkg ? |
| 04:27.25 | Master_Yoer | or take it off the cd ? |
| 04:27.31 | simonrvn | Master_Yoer: do 'which dpkg' (no quotes) |
| 04:27.52 | simonrvn | then, do echo $PATH |
| 04:27.53 | Master_Yoer | simonrvn- nothing |
| 04:28.01 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: id10t? |
| 04:28.01 | dpkg | id10t is probably a chair to keyboard user interface error. |
| 04:28.05 | Master_Yoer | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 04:28.19 | simonrvn | something borkie |
| 04:28.22 | rumor | anyone awake to answer a question regarding colors not working in a bash prompt ($PS1)? |
| 04:28.40 | simonrvn | rumor: google for bash prompt |
| 04:29.16 | rumor | I found bash prompt howto, and that's where I got the info I'm using, but it's not working on a fresh debian install |
| 04:29.18 | Master_Yoer | hmmm, a locate dpkg shows it exists |
| 04:29.22 | simonrvn | Master_Yoer: ok, well, i suggest you go get a deb of dpkg, and do the following, and pay craeful attention |
| 04:29.56 | Master_Yoer | simonrvn- I'm listening |
| 04:29.58 | simonrvn | Master_Yoer: it's out of date - first find out if ls -l /usr/bin/dpkg show anything |
| 04:30.16 | Master_Yoer | no such file or directory |
| 04:30.17 | simonrvn | before we pull out the .50 cal |
| 04:30.25 | simonrvn | ok, time for the .50 cal |
| 04:30.30 | Master_Yoer | lol |
| 04:30.32 | simonrvn | go download the dpkg deb |
| 04:30.41 | Master_Yoer | from the debian site ? |
| 04:30.59 | marcst | hehe, there be mirrors |
| 04:31.00 | simonrvn | yes, or from cd, whatever you have installed (i'm assuming woody here) |
| 04:32.14 | simonrvn | it's easy really, but you have to do it right |
| 04:32.23 | Master_Yoer | err, cant find it |
| 04:32.26 | Hyp3rion | http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.10.21_i386.deb |
| 04:32.36 | Master_Yoer | thank |
| 04:32.38 | Master_Yoer | thanks* |
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| 04:32.47 | simonrvn | Master_Yoer: then once you got the deb, you nedd to unpack it. i unpack it into a temp dir, so it doesn't make a mess |
| 04:32.47 | Master_Yoer | alright, downloaded |
| 04:33.25 | simonrvn | Master_Yoer: then do ar p dpkg*.deb data.tar.gz | tar -zx into that temp dir - where you've already cp or mv the deb into |
| 04:34.09 | simonrvn | then make sure the perms are ok, and cp all the files into the right place. the unpacked dirs indicate where everything goes. run ldconfig, then you're done |
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| 04:34.19 | simonrvn | see? easy :) |
| 04:34.29 | CompWizrd | i had to do that when i uninstalled sysvinit once |
| 04:34.35 | CompWizrd | i think it was sysvinit, anyways |
| 04:34.41 | simonrvn | i did that with libc6 =) |
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| 04:35.03 | CompWizrd | i had upgraded something, decided i didn't like it, and tried to downgrade |
| 04:35.09 | CompWizrd | was something with the backports |
| 04:35.12 | simonrvn | it's useful though if you want to get files out of a deb |
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| 04:35.31 | Master_Yoer | som |
| 04:35.32 | Master_Yoer | simonrvn |
| 04:35.36 | Master_Yoer | is that ar p ? |
| 04:35.41 | simonrvn | still here |
| 04:35.44 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 04:36.10 | FieldySnuts | #include <pebcak/id10t.h> |
| 04:36.17 | simonrvn | heh |
| 04:36.19 | Hyp3rion | pebcak? |
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| 04:36.21 | simonrvn | shit happens |
| 04:36.25 | simonrvn | @pebkac |
| 04:36.26 | ravenbird | it has been said that pebkac is Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC |
| 04:36.26 | Hyp3rion | FieldySnuts pebkac! |
| 04:36.26 | FieldySnuts | heh simon |
| 04:36.29 | Master_Yoer | err, whats the command to un debian ? |
| 04:36.33 | FieldySnuts | that too |
| 04:36.41 | FieldySnuts | kill yourself |
| 04:36.47 | kremlyn | ravenbird has it wrong |
| 04:36.47 | ravenbird | kremlyn: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 04:36.48 | simonrvn | Master_Yoer: what? |
| 04:36.54 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 04:36.56 | kremlyn | PEBKAC not PEBCAK |
| 04:36.58 | rumor | out of curiousity... is there a 'quick reference' somewhere as to the dir structure of debian? |
| 04:36.59 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: confuse kremlyn |
| 04:37.00 | dpkg | yes, how was our gerbil yesterday, kremlyn ? by order of the dictatorship of tibet with extra anchovies |
| 04:37.09 | CompWizrd | i had to explain fubar to someone once :( |
| 04:37.12 | Master_Yoer | simonrvn- I'm running on like 3 hours of sleep, I can't think straight right now |
| 04:37.12 | CompWizrd | to someone in their 40's |
| 04:37.12 | simonrvn | kremlyn: oh wow, as if it makes a difference :) |
| 04:37.13 | kremlyn | pfft |
| 04:37.22 | kremlyn | u nerds want confusing.. do this |
| 04:37.23 | kremlyn | http://personal.baker.edu/web2/cdavis09/roses.html#instructions |
| 04:37.25 | FieldySnuts | heh fubar originated in the US military, gained wide acceptance elsewhere |
| 04:37.26 | keir | has someone made scripts to re-package the Sun JRE for debian? |
| 04:37.28 | Master_Yoer | I can't think how to unpack .deb files |
| 04:37.31 | kremlyn | $5 to whoever gets it first |
| 04:37.41 | kremlyn | I've been wrestling with it for 10 minutes |
| 04:37.47 | rumor | by that I mean 'where one _should_ find everything when it's in it's proper place" |
| 04:37.48 | simonrvn | FieldySnuts: the fubar switch on VAXen (j/k) |
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| 04:38.01 | FieldySnuts | whip me beat me make me use AIX |
| 04:38.07 | simonrvn | Master_Yoer: i just showed you how. scroll up |
| 04:38.31 | simonrvn | (04:33) < simonrvn> Master_Yoer: then do ar p dpkg*.deb data.tar.gz | tar -zx |
| 04:38.37 | Master_Yoer | ahhh, i see |
| 04:38.39 | Hyp3rion | kremlyn - thinK! pebkac = pebcak! |
| 04:38.42 | Master_Yoer | was reading it wrogn |
| 04:38.43 | Master_Yoer | wrong* |
| 04:38.50 | FieldySnuts | there's a MULTICS in my basement.. all of it |
| 04:38.59 | simonrvn | wow |
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| 04:39.07 | simonrvn | @pebmac |
| 04:39.12 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 04:39.13 | keir | so debian still doesn't have a way to install Java without polluting your system? gah |
| 04:39.18 | Hyp3rion | !pebmac |
| 04:39.18 | dpkg | Problem Exists Between Mexico And Canada, or see pebcam |
| 04:39.20 | FieldySnuts | !fuck Java(TM) |
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| 04:39.24 | vladkao | hahah |
| 04:39.25 | abydos | Is there a way to make Firefox's GUI font a tad bit bigger? |
| 04:39.26 | FieldySnuts | heh removed the ('s |
| 04:39.29 | simonrvn | i was about to tell rumor it's called the FHS |
| 04:39.47 | simonrvn | abydos: ctrl-= |
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| 04:40.15 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 04:40.22 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: odl? |
| 04:40.26 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: are you smoking crack? |
| 04:40.29 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 04:40.42 | mwilson | Define "pollute". My java install is confined to one directory. |
| 04:40.48 | abydos | simonrvn: No, not the font it's rendering pages in, the font the GUI is runnign on |
| 04:41.09 | mwilson | abydos: Yes, increase the font size in your GTK theme. |
| 04:41.22 | Master_Yoer | heh |
| 04:41.43 | abydos | mwilson: GTK1 or GTK2? |
| 04:42.10 | mwilson | abydos: Last time I checked, crapfox was a GTK2 application. |
| 04:42.13 | Hyp3rion | abydos CTRL++ |
| 04:42.29 | Hyp3rion | and yes phoenix is gtk2 |
| 04:42.38 | abydos | Hyp3rion: Not the rendering font, the GUI font. |
| 04:42.43 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: odl is a zionist conspirator, and also a Clinton Family henchman |
| 04:42.43 | dpkg | okay, FieldySnuts |
| 04:42.45 | Hyp3rion | ph |
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| 04:43.16 | abydos | Doesn't help. |
| 04:43.17 | EruditeHermit | hi, can someone point me to some docs on how to compile .ko kernel modules? |
| 04:43.25 | Supaplex | ok, if I apt-get source foo, how can I specify a specific arch? |
| 04:43.40 | Hyp3rion | Supaplex - lol |
| 04:43.48 | abydos | hrm. |
| 04:43.58 | abydos | perhpas if I re-aptget it. |
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| 04:44.18 | Hyp3rion | Supaplex - there are no separate sources for archs. you know... the source can be compiled (hopefully) on many archs! |
| 04:44.31 | Infohawk | Where is mozilla's chrome dir kept in debian? (I have to force remove an extension) |
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| 04:44.42 | FieldySnuts | ~fuck me |
| 04:44.44 | apt | ACTION humps fieldysnuts's leg in public |
| 04:44.57 | Hyp3rion | Infohawk /var/lib/... iirc |
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| 04:45.09 | Nurbs | it'd be cool to get cross-compilation build-deps, though :) |
| 04:45.24 | CompWizrd | kremlyn: took about 5 minutes :) |
| 04:45.26 | Infohawk | Hyp3rion, thanks |
| 04:45.43 | Master_Yoer | thanks alot for the help |
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| 04:46.31 | tay | hello id like to know what /dev/mouse i should use with an ms mouse connected to usb under 2.4 kernel (testing) |
| 04:46.31 | Supaplex | Hyp3rion: oh yea, deh *smacks self* |
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| 04:46.49 | tay | hello id like to know what /dev/mouse when configuring xwindows i should use with an ms mouse connected to usb under 2.4 kernel (testing) |
| 04:46.56 | hex|asleep | apt-get install kernel-souce-versionnumber |
| 04:47.07 | hex|asleep | /dev/input/mice |
| 04:47.12 | loke_ | hex|asleep, which versionnumber do i need? |
| 04:47.15 | vladkao | FieldySnuts: lowered the caps :) |
| 04:47.31 | hex|asleep | dunno. what version kernel do you have? uname -r |
| 04:47.54 | loke_ | 2.4.26-1-386 |
| 04:48.05 | loke_ | apt only has 2.6.26 |
| 04:48.06 | apt | loke_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 04:48.16 | Hyp3rion | 2.6.26? i'd like that too! |
| 04:48.17 | loke_ | heh |
| 04:48.28 | abydos | heh, me too. |
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| 04:49.11 | kremlyn | where do kernel packages live, at packages.debian.org/stable/ ? |
| 04:49.12 | loke_ | well once i apt-get install kernel-source-2.4.26 then i have to untar, make menuconfig and then what |
| 04:49.41 | tay | thx hex|asleep |
| 04:49.44 | tay | now get to bed |
| 04:51.18 | kremlyn | hmm, if there is a [security] next to a package on the site, it means there is a security fix in the package, or a security problem in it? |
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| 04:52.15 | Beuno | quick question, I downloaded and Installed Woody, and after a while of recompiling things, I got my GF4 working. Now, I want to update Gnome to v2.4, what steps do I have to follow? |
| 04:52.39 | hex|asleep | loke_, why do you need the kernel source anyway? |
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| 04:52.56 | Hyp3rion | PineappleGuy - no its over :-/ |
| 04:53.34 | PineappleGuy | Will stay around anyway |
| 04:53.35 | PineappleGuy | :) |
| 04:53.45 | loke_ | hex|asleep, i want to install ati drivers and patch orinoco drivers |
| 04:53.54 | loke_ | im lost |
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| 04:54.10 | hex|asleep | well untar the source in /usr/src |
| 04:54.16 | loke_ | got that |
| 04:54.25 | loke_ | then config the modules i want correct? |
| 04:54.27 | hex|asleep | i don't know the procedure for the ati drivers, i use nvidia |
| 04:54.36 | loke_ | i have a howto for that |
| 04:54.37 | Justin | !test |
| 04:54.38 | dpkg | Yes, justin, you're still online. |
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| 04:54.42 | hex|asleep | though i suspect you'll need the kernel headers, kernel-headers-2.4.26 |
| 04:54.48 | loke_ | ok |
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| 04:55.06 | Hyp3rion | kremlyn - security fix |
| 04:55.17 | kremlyn | ahh ok |
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| 04:56.16 | loke_ | hex|asleep, i just recompiled a kernel, but when i rebooted to the new kernel, the wificard didnt work and the sound didnt work? |
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| 04:56.41 | loke_ | i want everything the same jsut with kernel source is that possible? |
| 04:57.34 | hex|asleep | i'm not sure why you compiled your own kernel here |
| 04:57.52 | loke_ | well |
| 04:57.56 | loke_ | im new man |
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| 04:58.05 | loke_ | i need kernel source for ati drivers |
| 04:58.35 | loke_ | should i just apt-get install kernel-source and untar and then install ati drivers? |
| 04:58.46 | Dr_Willis | the official ati drivers are binary only i belive. |
| 04:58.49 | hex|asleep | yep |
| 04:58.53 | loke_ | so what does that mean? |
| 04:59.17 | Dr_Willis | the ati site has some install docs with tips and tweaks also. annoying how hard ati and nvidia make things. :( |
| 04:59.21 | T_VoiD | well they are as binary-only as nvidia are: there's a glue to compile for your kernel |
| 04:59.37 | hex|asleep | download the source which matches the binary kernel version you want (e.g. kernel-image-2.6.6-1-686 and kernel-souce-2.6.6 and kernel-headers-2.6.6) |
| 05:00.16 | hex|asleep | untar the source, ln /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.6 /usr/src/linux so the installer can just go "hmm linux" |
| 05:00.54 | loke_ | i want the kernel version 2.4.26-1-386 source |
| 05:01.06 | loke_ | i dont have a /usr/src/linux dir |
| 05:01.26 | hex|asleep | /usr/src/linux is a link to /usr/src/linux/latestversion |
| 05:01.28 | hex|asleep | or should be |
| 05:01.31 | hex|asleep | no wait |
| 05:01.37 | hex|asleep | to /usr/src/latestversion |
| 05:01.48 | loke_ | well there are converted ati drivers for debian |
| 05:01.54 | Hyp3rion | /usr/src/linux/latestversion |
| 05:01.58 | Hyp3rion | yay |
| 05:02.02 | Hyp3rion | /usr/src/linux-latestversion |
| 05:02.15 | Hyp3rion | hex|asleep - but you could put the sources _anywhere_ |
| 05:02.15 | Dr_Willis | http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 05:02.22 | Dr_Willis | seems to have a lotof info. |
| 05:02.22 | loke_ | yeah |
| 05:02.29 | loke_ | im oon that page Dr_Willis |
| 05:02.52 | Dr_Willis | lol |
| 05:02.55 | Dr_Willis | google is good. |
| 05:02.58 | loke_ | yep |
| 05:03.07 | loke_ | ati referred me to that page also |
| 05:03.17 | Dr_Willis | lol |
| 05:03.28 | loke_ | where would we be without google |
| 05:03.39 | Dr_Willis | *sigh* |
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| 05:03.46 | loke_ | fock |
| 05:03.47 | hex|asleep | there are |
| 05:03.51 | Dr_Willis | what ever happened to matrox? |
| 05:03.56 | loke_ | hex|asleep, so what do i need to do |
| 05:04.00 | hex|asleep | there's just no linux drivers for s3 deltachrome or xgi volari |
| 05:04.01 | Dr_Willis | for "high end" video. :P |
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| 05:04.10 | loke_ | download kernel source untar |
| 05:04.12 | Dr_Willis | s3 - theres one i aint heard of in a long time. |
| 05:04.12 | loke_ | and then.... |
| 05:04.44 | hex|asleep | sonicblue sold the s3 brand to via before folding, a few years back |
| 05:05.05 | Bill | tg3 2.6 not fun |
| 05:05.27 | loke_ | how can i tell if i have agp support built into the kernel? |
| 05:06.25 | Dr_Willis | hex|asleep, that explains why all those via mini mb's got s3 video eh? |
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| 05:06.39 | hex|asleep | if it's a modular kernel build, lsmod | grep agp |
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| 05:07.08 | hex|asleep | the rio brand got sold to hi-fi makers marantz |
| 05:07.22 | T_VoiD | or even modprobe agpgart. if it works you have, if it doesn't work, you don't know if you have or not |
| 05:07.43 | loke_ | hex|asleep, nothing |
| 05:07.56 | loke_ | how do i know if it is a modular kernel build? |
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| 05:08.05 | hex|asleep | & the rio people don't deny the existance of linux, thankfully. http://img.hexus.net/v2/audio/mp3/dm/riokarma/images/rmmlite.jpg |
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| 05:08.42 | hex|asleep | i only got into linux on the 2.6 kernel. don't ask me hard 2.4-based questions |
| 05:08.49 | loke_ | k |
| 05:08.56 | hex|asleep | i might cry |
| 05:09.07 | loke_ | well i appreciate your help |
| 05:09.11 | hex|asleep | !comfort hex|asleep |
| 05:09.11 | dpkg | There, there, hex|asleep. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 05:10.18 | Beuno | quick question, I downloaded and Installed Woody, and after a while of recompiling things, I got my GF4 working. Now, I want to update Gnome to v2.4, what steps do I have to follow? |
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| 05:11.00 | mickeyks | how do i get an app in /usr/local/bin to show up on my wm menus? |
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| 05:12.26 | loke_ | mickeyks, r u using kde? |
| 05:12.32 | loke_ | u can usr kmenuedit |
| 05:12.33 | mickeyks | fluxbox |
| 05:12.39 | loke_ | i dunno |
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| 05:13.07 | mickeyks | but it's my understanding that all wms get their menus from the same source |
| 05:13.13 | hex|asleep | does fluxbox read the standard Debian menu? |
| 05:13.19 | mickeyks | but exactly what file it is that you can edit to change the path of something is what eludes me |
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| 05:13.27 | mickeyks | it must, i'm getting everything else |
| 05:13.35 | mickeyks | but this app is not installed in its usual location |
| 05:13.41 | hex|asleep | /var/lib/gnome/Debian/ |
| 05:13.50 | mickeyks | i tried both a regular link and a sim link |
| 05:13.59 | mickeyks | i don't have gnome |
| 05:14.08 | hex|asleep | locate gataxx |
| 05:14.11 | hex|asleep | bleh |
| 05:14.19 | hex|asleep | neither do i |
| 05:14.29 | cafuego | !lart last minute hotel reservations |
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| 05:15.04 | Beuno | anyone? |
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| 05:15.33 | Beuno | kinda new to all of this, and Im dealing with a lot to get this working |
| 05:15.56 | mickeyks | gataxx? |
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| 05:16.10 | Beuno | any kind/bored soul whith a quick instruction or at least to put me on a good road to a solution? |
| 05:16.15 | hex|asleep | Beuno, gnome 2.4 is in sarge, not in woody. i don't know the procedure for taking things from the next release, since i run sid |
| 05:17.00 | hex|asleep | mickeyks, /var/lib/gnome/Debian/Games/ut2004.desktop is the only shortcut to ut2004 on my system, and xfce4 is the one displaying it |
| 05:17.04 | hex|asleep | i don't use gnome |
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| 05:17.17 | Beuno | ok, so, basically |
| 05:17.27 | Beuno | I should install sarge and save myself all the trouble? |
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| 05:17.53 | mickeyks | hex|asleep: i don't understand what that means in the context of my problem |
| 05:18.06 | marcst | Beuno: or possibly look at backports.org ? i don't know for sure, since i run sarge so i don't have your situation |
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| 05:18.19 | hrm | is the debian installer channel still in existence? and if so whats its name |
| 05:18.20 | hex|asleep | mickeyks, chat happens if you type "cd /var/lib/gnome/Debian/" |
| 05:18.21 | orospakr | Beuno, yeah, Sarge comes with Gnome 2.4 out of the box... and the nvidia drivers should be OK (provided you use kernel 2.6.4 or earlier, I think) |
| 05:18.31 | maher | hrm: #debian-boot |
| 05:18.33 | Beuno | ok, great |
| 05:18.33 | mickeyks | hex|asleep: i've got it |
| 05:18.42 | mickeyks | hex|asleep: er, i mean, i have the directory |
| 05:18.48 | Beuno | their goes 15 hours of configuration out the window! |
| 05:18.52 | Beuno | :) |
| 05:18.54 | mickeyks | backports.org is for woody |
| 05:19.04 | orospakr | Beuno, heh, I know the feeling. :D |
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| 05:19.07 | mickeyks | supposedly |
| 05:19.16 | Beuno | is Sarge stable enough to be used on a daily base? |
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| 05:19.20 | marcst | well Beuno you're running stable yeah? |
| 05:19.23 | marcst | so that's woody |
| 05:19.25 | Beuno | yeap |
| 05:19.26 | hex|asleep | i use sid on a daily basis! |
| 05:19.34 | marcst | so one options would be to just get the gnome stuff |
| 05:19.48 | Beuno | yeah, that was the original idea |
| 05:19.57 | marcst | but i can also vouch for testing/sarge being fine for daily use |
| 05:20.03 | Beuno | ok |
| 05:20.05 | Bill | anybody here have problems with tg3 (or any broadcom ethernets) in 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:20.05 | Beuno | thats good |
| 05:20.09 | mickeyks | hex|asleep: i don't see the connection between my having /var/lib/gnome/Debian and my problem |
| 05:20.15 | Beuno | I can do that |
| 05:20.15 | orospakr | Beuno, yeah, mostly. It's about on par with the other distro's 'stable' dists. :D |
| 05:20.21 | Beuno | good |
| 05:20.24 | Beuno | wasnt too sure |
| 05:20.29 | Beuno | and I'm kinda scared |
| 05:20.31 | orospakr | s/distro's/distros/ |
| 05:20.45 | Beuno | just had to format my hole HD thanks to Fedora Core 2 |
| 05:20.49 | marcst | some people use unstable quite happily, but that requires discipline |
| 05:20.50 | hex|asleep | mickeyks, do the contents of that folder seem in any way familiar? |
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| 05:21.00 | Beuno | the install really had some fun with my HDs geometry |
| 05:21.01 | hex|asleep | marcst, and good hair! |
| 05:21.06 | rich_ | thanks everyone bbl |
| 05:21.13 | gravity | A little bit of discipline, but more knowhow than anything |
| 05:21.19 | z|bandito | beeeeeeeeeerZ!!!!!!! |
| 05:21.24 | Justin | Beuno: you chose formatting instead of the 30 fix? you must have a lot of time to waste |
| 05:21.25 | gravity | Experience helps immensly in running unstable regularly. |
| 05:21.29 | Justin | s/30/30 second/ |
| 05:21.38 | Beuno | Justin: tried hundreds of thinds I read |
| 05:21.40 | mickeyks | hex|asleep: sure, but they obviously aren't the source of the menus |
| 05:21.52 | Beuno | I got both windows and Fedora working great |
| 05:21.54 | Beuno | BUT |
| 05:21.55 | Justin | Beuno: why would you try hundreds of things where there is one fix that is known to work? |
| 05:22.05 | hrm | I'm trying to use lvm from the debian beta installer for some reason its not letting me create a volume group, theres no options to create physical volumes and the partitioning options it keeps sending me back to will only create partitions with filesystems on them or so it seems. Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 05:22.12 | gravity | Fedora, from all accounts, is not that hard to get working great |
| 05:22.16 | Beuno | well, it's an expression |
| 05:22.24 | hex|asleep | mickeyks, then your wm is reading its menus from somewhere odd. |
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| 05:22.39 | gravity | hrm: I think lvm still has some issues in d-i. You should submit an installation-report |
| 05:22.41 | Beuno | I just couldnt get things working right again |
| 05:22.53 | mickeyks | hex|asleep: are you saying that all wm's read their menus from /var/lib/gnome/Debian? |
| 05:23.03 | hex|asleep | i'm saying all the ones i've tried do |
| 05:23.09 | marcst | Beuno: i think since you spent all this time setting up woody, i'd go for the backports since you really only want gnome updated |
| 05:23.09 | Beuno | Partition Magic didnt like how things where, so I couldnt format to install a different distro that wasnt to screwed up |
| 05:23.28 | marcst | but that's just a suggestion |
| 05:23.32 | maher | Bueno: you could install testing in a chroot and run gnome from there |
| 05:24.03 | hrm | hrm |
| 05:24.03 | Beuno | marc: I also want the kernel updated, and a few other things, so since it seems sarge is pretty stable, I'll go with that |
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| 05:24.11 | Beuno | got 2 cds already dled |
| 05:24.27 | hex|asleep | erm... why? you need the 109mb iso..... |
| 05:24.32 | gravity | Beuno: Be careful with sarge. You have to watch for security updates on your own, they're not handled for you |
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| 05:24.52 | gravity | Beuno: Also, things can break in sarge, and you have to know how to resolve them to cope with it |
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| 05:25.06 | Beuno | *things*? |
| 05:25.08 | gravity | Beuno: Mainly in the packaging system, with certain pieces migrating in before others |
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| 05:25.25 | gravity | Beuno: Like parts of a large system, like gnome or KDE, and other parts remaining old, leading to problems |
| 05:25.42 | gravity | Beuno: It's certaintly something that can be dealt with, but you need to know how to cope with them |
| 05:25.45 | Beuno | oh, so you DONT recommend it for someone starting out? |
| 05:25.48 | gravity | No |
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| 05:26.00 | mickeyks | hex|asleep: if i delete a script from that directory and then update menus, the corresponding file is still available |
| 05:26.02 | marcst | i would agree with gravity |
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| 05:26.14 | Beuno | so, I should stick with woody, and try installing all the new stuff manually? |
| 05:26.21 | gravity | Beuno: Yes, using backports |
| 05:26.33 | gravity | Beuno: If you find that it doesn't meet your needs, then move to testing |
| 05:26.39 | maher | Bueno: why not install testing in a chroot |
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| 05:26.42 | marcst | saves you the trouble of compiling yourself, dependencies will be properly handled |
| 05:26.45 | jm_ | although using backports will often cause problems when upgrading to next stable release |
| 05:26.45 | hex|asleep | i've offered a suggestion. if it doesn't solve your problem, then maybe someone else can help. |
| 05:26.54 | gravity | Beuno: It's easy to move from stable->testing->unstable, but it's basically impossible to go back without a reinstall |
| 05:27.14 | Beuno | ok |
| 05:27.18 | pmwilson | what ever happened to the bootlog stuff (like a log placed in /var/log/boot of the messages from the last log.... mine is no longer getting updated) ??? |
| 05:27.18 | mickeyks | hex|asleep: that's fine, i thought you'd want to know that the info you were giving was incorrect, thanks for trying |
| 05:27.27 | Beuno | maher: con you exlain a lil better? |
| 05:27.36 | maher | !tell Bueno about chroot |
| 05:27.50 | pmwilson | n/m, i figured it out... it's off |
| 05:27.56 | Nurbs | pmwilson: enabled k... yeah. :) |
| 05:28.15 | maher | Bueno: you got a pm |
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| 05:28.25 | Beuno | nope |
| 05:28.30 | maher | !chroot |
| 05:28.31 | dpkg | it has been said that chroot is a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot |
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| 05:29.04 | pmwilson | why would we want the default to be that bootlogd is disabled ? |
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| 05:29.45 | Beuno | oh, have both installed, and then see which one works out best? |
| 05:29.47 | darkerHelmet | does debian support amd64 ? |
| 05:29.54 | Nurbs | pmwilson: I was wondering, too. maybe a wishlist report should be filed... (dunno if there is one) |
| 05:30.02 | Jebediah | darkerHelmet: Ov course |
| 05:30.16 | peterS | Jebediah: well, stable doesn't |
| 05:30.21 | Nurbs | in 64 bit mode? |
| 05:30.27 | marcst | isn't linux basically the only os that runs on amd64 or is that no longer true? |
| 05:30.29 | jm_ | yeah, there's amd64 port |
| 05:30.36 | Nurbs | nice |
| 05:30.37 | jm_ | http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 05:30.40 | darkerHelmet | cool |
| 05:30.45 | jm_ | hold on for something more useful |
| 05:30.48 | hex|asleep | marcst, there is a beta of windows for amd64 available from microsoft |
| 05:30.55 | angeles | gravity: beta4 works fine on default install - congrats to the debian team for fixing the ease and speed of the installation process |
| 05:30.59 | mdh | marcst: winxp has been ported |
| 05:31.00 | marcst | heh, beta *smirk* |
| 05:31.12 | jm_ | https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/1314/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 05:31.15 | gravity | angeles: Great to hear! If you want to send an installation-report, that'd be great! |
| 05:31.18 | hex|asleep | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/downloads/upgrade.asp to get it |
| 05:31.24 | hex|asleep | no drivers for it, though |
| 05:31.28 | Jebediah | peterS: well if you are buying 64 bit I'd hope your not running anything requiring stable |
| 05:31.29 | gravity | angeles: Successful reports are good to hear too |
| 05:31.29 | mdh | hahahahhaa |
| 05:31.32 | Beuno | btw, I got my GF4 to work, BUT, I ended up using the VESA driver instead of the Nvidia one (couldnt get it to work), will this cause problems trying to use it for games? |
| 05:31.38 | hex|asleep | yes |
| 05:31.42 | Nurbs | jm_: thanks |
| 05:31.42 | hex|asleep | you won't have them work |
| 05:31.44 | hex|asleep | at all |
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| 05:31.58 | hex|asleep | you absolutely unequivocally REQUIRE the nvidia driver for games |
| 05:32.01 | jm_ | Beuno: yes |
| 05:32.02 | marcst | i'm in noooo rush, i'll gladly purchase something nice and cheap and clearly overkill for my needs :) |
| 05:32.12 | hex|asleep | unless you want sub-software-rendering speeds |
| 05:32.15 | peterS | Jebediah: I'm just saying - you can't download debian stable for amd64. you have to either install in 32-bit mode and perform some sort of harrowing upgrade, or ... I dunno |
| 05:32.16 | Beuno | damn |
| 05:32.23 | angeles | gravity: i'll try to remember that once i've gotten everything setup, doesn't install any compilers by default anymore though! |
| 05:32.26 | Beuno | I installed the nvidia driver |
| 05:32.28 | peterS | Jebediah: debian-installer doesn't support amd64 either, IIRC |
| 05:32.32 | Beuno | compiled the kernel headers |
| 05:32.38 | BlackJudas | does gnome 2.6 still use esound? |
| 05:32.43 | gravity | angeles: Nope, but you can easily install them with tasksel or aptitude |
| 05:32.45 | peterS | Jebediah: so, I'd have to say amd64 is not fully supported by Debian, by *any* means |
| 05:32.45 | Beuno | and still cant get X to work |
| 05:32.48 | Beuno | any sugestions? |
| 05:32.57 | Jebediah | peterS: I thought maybe the newer installer did. Thanks for the correction |
| 05:33.10 | gravity | BlackJudas: Not on my system, thankfully |
| 05:33.17 | angeles | yeah that's my question, is dselect frowned upon now? it said it was depricated but i am not fond of the new aptitude interface |
| 05:33.27 | angeles | and tasksel is too.. generic |
| 05:33.35 | hex|asleep | aptitude? synaptic? command line apt-get tbh :/ |
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| 05:33.44 | Jebediah | Beuno: what's happening? |
| 05:33.45 | nornagon | Hi all. |
| 05:33.46 | gravity | angeles: dselect is still fine if you want it. More people seem to prefer aptitude by a lot, so that was made the default |
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| 05:34.00 | BlackJudas | gravity, yeah i'm not using alsa, oss setup so... do i need to load esound? |
| 05:34.06 | gravity | BlackJudas: Nope |
| 05:34.27 | pmwilson | Nurbs: it is due to the fact that currently, when you enter single user mode, it is not stopped and logs everything you do as root.... but there are several solutions to fix that.... aparantly, nothing has been decided |
| 05:34.27 | angeles | i understand the ins and outs of dselect, much more at home with it |
| 05:34.31 | BlackJudas | gravity, ok, one possibility as to why gnome won't make a peep :/ |
| 05:34.41 | Beuno | Jebediah: it says it cant find the video card |
| 05:34.42 | gravity | angeles: Yeah, I used dselect for years. I don't mind it much, but I prefer aptitude myself |
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| 05:34.57 | gravity | BlackJudas: Got me, I don't have gnome making noises for things myself |
| 05:35.00 | Nurbs | pmwilson: i see, mhm |
| 05:35.02 | Jebediah | Beuno: which card do you have? Open a dialog with me |
| 05:35.12 | nornagon | I'm having a problem installing xserver-xfree86: I've asked people and they said to submit a bug report - I have, yesterday, and it's still not on the page. It's a fairly major bug. The problem I'm having is that it "Fail[s] to preconfigure with exit status 127" every time I try to install it. |
| 05:35.20 | angeles | gravity: well, how do you collapse a tree when you're in the middle of it? |
| 05:35.20 | gravity | BlackJudas: There is the option to start a sound server if you want it |
| 05:35.28 | mickeyks | hex|asleep: fyi, seems the original files are in /usr/lib/menu and /usr/lib/menu/default |
| 05:35.31 | gravity | angeles: In aptitude? enter |
| 05:35.39 | BlackJudas | gravity, yes, saw that, xmms won't play yet, mpg123 will |
| 05:35.41 | angeles | (in the middle) |
| 05:35.53 | gravity | Ah, I'm not sure |
| 05:36.00 | hex|asleep | k mickeyks |
| 05:36.02 | maher | nornagon: some of the servers were down yesterday - did you get a bug number? |
| 05:36.05 | nornagon | angeles: try 'q' |
| 05:36.08 | angeles | like if i pressed left, it should do it i think |
| 05:36.11 | hex|asleep | hmm, i can't load a terminal for some reason. odd. |
| 05:36.14 | nornagon | nornagon: I think so, I'll check. |
| 05:36.17 | nornagon | er |
| 05:36.19 | nornagon | maher: even |
| 05:36.23 | angeles | lol |
| 05:36.28 | angeles | nornagon: ok thanks |
| 05:36.33 | nornagon | maher: yeah I did |
| 05:36.40 | nornagon | #251690 |
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| 05:36.51 | maher | nornagon: ok - your bug is there - maybe the web pages are behind |
| 05:36.57 | nornagon | angeles: no probs |
| 05:37.05 | nornagon | maher: ah, Ok. I'll just go look. |
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| 05:37.41 | frankg | Why can't we have wireless video? |
| 05:37.52 | angeles | nornagon: that quits it, "^" goes to the the parent i found |
| 05:38.01 | mwilson | You can. Have you ever heard of television? |
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| 05:38.14 | angeles | "[]" exapand/collapse |
| 05:38.17 | frankg | mwilson, on my computer? |
| 05:38.22 | angeles | ok i might give aptitude a better chance now |
| 05:38.24 | nornagon | angeles: Ah :) |
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| 05:38.33 | gravity | angeles: You can use ^ to get to the parent menu, then ] |
| 05:38.44 | gravity | Ah, I see I'm late :-) |
| 05:39.01 | angeles | thanks for seeing for me though :) |
| 05:39.08 | nornagon | aptitude is nice :) |
| 05:40.18 | Poncha | hi. what may be the problem of vsftpd not authenticating a local user? (not any user, just one). the pass is ok, can login ssh with it fine |
| 05:40.35 | nornagon | maher: Ah, it is there actually :) |
| 05:40.59 | nornagon | just found it :) |
| 05:41.04 | angeles | got any suggestions for a gui based NAT configurator? |
| 05:41.12 | mdh | angeles: gvim |
| 05:41.14 | simonrvn | gvim |
| 05:41.16 | angeles | need to do ICS |
| 05:41.26 | simonrvn | mdh: hehe |
| 05:41.32 | angeles | lol damnit, i wanted easiness |
| 05:41.41 | mdh | that's twice in as many days now iirc |
| 05:41.41 | angeles | smarty bums :) |
| 05:42.10 | mdh | there's something easier than vi? |
| 05:42.20 | gravity | ed |
| 05:42.21 | simonrvn | nano |
| 05:42.35 | gravity | Or ex |
| 05:42.43 | mdh | !ed |
| 05:42.43 | dpkg | i heard ed is the standard editor! http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~smikes/emacs/ed.html |
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| 05:42.50 | simonrvn | ex what? |
| 05:42.58 | gravity | ex. vi is the visual mode for ex :-) |
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| 05:43.25 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.27 | angeles | nano rox |
| 05:43.32 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.34 | simonrvn | woops |
| 05:43.37 | blackish | Z:) |
| 05:43.47 | FieldySnuts | @want |
| 05:43.50 | FieldySnuts | @wang |
| 05:43.58 | FieldySnuts | damnit |
| 05:44.28 | nornagon | FieldySnuts: @wank? :P |
| 05:44.41 | FieldySnuts | whatever |
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| 05:47.11 | mdh | angeles: I've never seen a GUI firewall configuration tool that ever came close to getting things as right as a text editor |
| 05:47.57 | BlackJudas | omfg wtf... .... chmod 666 /dev/dsp* fixed my woes.... |
| 05:48.06 | directhex | oss :/ |
| 05:48.21 | BlackJudas | what other /dev devices do snd cards use? |
| 05:48.30 | BlackJudas | yeah oss :/ agreed, I don't want to patch 2.4 |
| 05:48.32 | FieldySnuts | apt: crabs? |
| 05:48.33 | apt | crabs is probably those things which infest Soviet's scalp. |
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| 05:48.43 | directhex | /dev/mixer |
| 05:48.46 | BlackJudas | gets uber funny with usb-storage |
| 05:48.53 | directhex | and if you have midi, /dev/sequencer |
| 05:49.00 | croddy | how can I change the nice value of XFree86? I want to run it at 0 instead of -10 |
| 05:49.04 | BlackJudas | directhex, <3 thx. |
| 05:49.19 | jm_ | croddy: dpkg-reconfigure asks you about it |
| 05:49.20 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: badgersmite simonrvn |
| 05:49.35 | simonrvn | yeh yeh whatever :) |
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| 05:50.28 | gravity | croddy: You can set it with dpkg-reconfigure xfree86-common, iirc |
| 05:50.46 | croddy | xserver-common it was :-) |
| 05:51.02 | gravity | Or set it manually in /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
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| 05:53.01 | exobyte | My kernel version is 2.4.23. At seemingly random times, my mouse lock up, but remains powered (it's optical). Unplugging and replugging fixes it. resetting hotplug didn't seem to help The mouse is a m$ intelimouse |
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| 05:55.00 | mdh | "my kernel version is remotely exploitable. at seemingly random times, weird shit happpens." |
| 05:55.17 | croddy | !real kernel |
| 05:55.18 | dpkg | The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance |
| 05:55.43 | mdh | exobyte: first, upgrade to the 2.4.26 kernel. |
| 05:55.52 | directhex | http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-22&res=l @ exobyte |
| 05:56.31 | angeles | there's no 2.5 image i noticed, i was hoping to take advantage of the mutliple input/virtual console support, guess i will have to wait for it to merge with 2.6 |
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| 05:58.10 | exobyte | mdh: I'm in the prosess of doing that right now |
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| 05:58.32 | exobyte | it looks like the channel isn't _really_ dead |
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| 05:59.00 | directhex | not dead, merely paused |
| 05:59.02 | mdh | exobyte: I saw similar behaviour once with my logitech usb mouse |
| 05:59.16 | maher | directhex: http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-06-30&res=l |
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| 05:59.58 | directhex | maher wins \o/ |
| 06:00.10 | maher | directhex: :) |
| 06:00.19 | mickeyks | is there a way i can pipe ls into less but keep the color-coded filenames |
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| 06:00.45 | dob | i have a problem with apcupsd, i have configured it, the events are logged but when a power failure happen it fails to shutdown the pc, it start the shutdown process but the pc remains up , why ? |
| 06:00.48 | mdh | maher: that's one of the funniest strips ever :) |
| 06:01.15 | maher | mdh: almost as funny as the wang clip one.. |
| 06:01.30 | directhex | anything with the word "wang" in is funny |
| 06:01.38 | mdh | right up there with the UF guys looking sideways at the "new" euro logo, or torg teaching aylee driving |
| 06:01.47 | directhex | can you find me the one abut simcity? i lost it. that involved wang... |
| 06:01.59 | mdh | directhex: search for it on bash.org, there's a HP reference one in the top 100 that's hilarious |
| 06:03.00 | simonrvn | zzzzzzzzz time. later |
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| 06:03.24 | directhex | Ten and a quarter inches long, swishy, made of willow |
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| 06:07.27 | rredd | I have mozilla in /usr/lib/mozilla and I have kde. How do i add mozilla to my internet menu? |
| 06:08.47 | pmwilson | here's something i've never figured out: what's the advantage of using a framebuffer and/or framebuffer console ? I have a Matrox G550. |
| 06:09.18 | debian | pmwilson: higher fps for fps games |
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| 06:09.39 | jm_ | pmwilson: well you can have more text on screen and higher refresh rate |
| 06:09.56 | directhex | framebuffer console? |
| 06:09.58 | jm_ | rredd: try #kde or #debian-kde |
| 06:10.05 | directhex | you can get a tux in the corner |
| 06:10.20 | rredd | jm: ok |
| 06:10.28 | pmwilson | well... i was able to do that for the console by adding vga=0xa |
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| 06:11.29 | pmwilson | jm_: just using the default framebuffer settings gives me a way worse console |
| 06:11.44 | pmwilson | jm_: 60Hz, large text |
| 06:12.18 | mdh | pmwilson: you need to change the res, with fbset or on the command line with like vga=795 or whatever |
| 06:12.25 | pmwilson | debian: so, it's an advantage to get X to run on top of the framebuffer as opposed to using the drivers that know how to talk to the card |
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| 06:12.35 | mdh | kernel command line, of course |
| 06:12.36 | jm_ | pmwilson: yeah but you can alter it, man fbset |
| 06:12.41 | jm_ | pmwilson: also read FB docs |
| 06:12.46 | Poncha | damn! |
| 06:12.53 | Poncha | i found the problem with vsftpd |
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| 06:13.19 | jm_ | pmwilson: yeah that's another thing - you can have X use FB device which might be handy sometimes (although I personally never liked FB, I have always used stm instead( |
| 06:13.22 | jm_ | well ) |
| 06:13.54 | Poncha | that user (that could not login) had an empty shell (in which case it goes for default on login... ) anyway... as soon as i added shell path to /etc/passwd - vsftpd started accepting that user |
| 06:13.55 | pmwilson | jm_: stm? |
| 06:14.26 | jm_ | pmwilson: svgatextmode |
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| 06:14.40 | loke_ | where is grub.conf in debian? |
| 06:14.58 | pmwilson | loke_: erm... /etc/ ? |
| 06:15.03 | jm_ | grub.conf is some stupidity invented by RH and SuSE, grub uses menu.lst as config file by default |
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| 06:15.14 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 06:15.16 | quasiben | hello |
| 06:15.18 | anonobomber | loke___: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 06:15.19 | mdh | FB and X11 don't mix well... some combos can crash if you use anything other than the fb driver in X11 |
| 06:15.20 | loke_ | hey pmwilson editing the /etc/dhclient.conf didnt work |
| 06:15.25 | debian | pmwilson: nope, jus run fps games off fb |
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| 06:15.31 | mdh | and of course the fb driver isn't accellerated |
| 06:15.34 | RoundQube | how can I change the refresh rate? i having some weird wobbling at whatever rate im at now |
| 06:15.40 | jm_ | some FB drivers are accelerated |
| 06:15.44 | RoundQube | im running kde, so if there is some utility |
| 06:15.52 | quasiben | Any knoweldgable wireless people out there? |
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| 06:16.03 | debian | !tell quasiben about ask |
| 06:16.09 | pmwilson | debian: which fps games? any examples? |
| 06:16.11 | mdh | jm_: there's only one fb driver in X11 afaik |
| 06:16.22 | pmwilson | this is where i got confused last time |
| 06:16.27 | mdh | multiple kernel drivers of course |
| 06:16.35 | pmwilson | (last time i looked into this and played with the fb stuff) |
| 06:16.39 | quasiben | cool...sorry this is my first time here |
| 06:16.45 | debian | pmwilson: quake. I don't play fps game , so it's just fyi |
| 06:16.58 | pmwilson | it seems like it's better to just leave out all the fb stuff |
| 06:17.05 | pmwilson | i don't see any advantages. |
| 06:17.12 | pmwilson | and it caused me a lot of problems |
| 06:17.36 | pmwilson | (but if there are advantages, and a good reason to use it... i'm interested in getting it set up) |
| 06:17.36 | mdh | pmwilson: many non-x86 architectures require fb support just to get a console at all |
| 06:17.44 | pmwilson | *ah* |
| 06:17.48 | K-Bay | fb is for text console on steroids, that's all to it ;p |
| 06:18.26 | K-Bay | how could one display images by fbi otherwise, without the X thing :) |
| 06:18.38 | quasiben | I was inquiring about how one judiciously selects a wireless access point...my wireless card keeps selecting a network that is much further a way, but more importantly not mine. Any ideas ? |
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| 06:19.14 | pmwilson | quasiben: look at /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts |
| 06:19.30 | loke_ | every time i reboot i have to add nameserver 204.127.198.19 to my /etc/resolv.conf, how can i make this perminent? |
| 06:19.47 | Justin | loke_: fix your router. |
| 06:19.58 | kremlyn | what should umask be if I want to only give the owner/creator of the file, access.. everyone else including group not be able to see anything there |
| 06:19.59 | sussudio | !fix loke_ |
| 06:20.00 | pmwilson | hehe... not this stuff again. |
| 06:20.03 | loke_ | Justin, how should i fix the router |
| 06:20.08 | quasiben | tnank you pmwilson |
| 06:20.13 | K-Bay | loke_ knoppix ? |
| 06:20.17 | Justin | loke_: read its manual, configure it properly. |
| 06:20.26 | pmwilson | quasiben: you're welcome. |
| 06:20.34 | jm_ | mdh: I meant kernel drivers |
| 06:20.35 | loke_ | Justin, the router is config properly |
| 06:20.36 | fatal_ | loke_: it's probably the dhcp client that overwrites it..... look in man dhclient.conf for how to disable getting dns from the dhcp... |
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| 06:20.53 | kremlyn | loke___: 4 hours later and you are STILL here asking the same question? |
| 06:20.56 | Justin | loke_: except for the fact that it's obviously not |
| 06:20.58 | pmwilson | fatal_: i already had him play with that. |
| 06:20.59 | K-Bay | there is evil way to make resolv.conf immutable, it won't get any changes for life |
| 06:21.02 | quasiben | Do you know if someone is developing a nice GUI for access point selection ? |
| 06:21.23 | pmwilson | K-Bay: lets not suggest that. |
| 06:21.27 | pmwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.32 | loke_ | kremlyn, i got it to work but when i reboot its not working again |
| 06:21.43 | kremlyn | Then you didn't get it to work |
| 06:21.47 | debian | loke_: what distro? |
| 06:21.53 | loke_ | sarge |
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| 06:21.59 | pmwilson | loke_: we'll need to see some log info... or something |
| 06:22.35 | loke_ | pmwilson, where is the log info? |
| 06:22.35 | pmwilson | loke_: give me your ip address and root password, and i'll fix it for you. :o] |
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| 06:23.02 | loke_ | yeah |
| 06:23.17 | zignig | loke_: just paste it into flood, it'll be safer there. |
| 06:23.35 | loke_ | where is the log info? |
| 06:23.37 | toju | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:23.55 | pmwilson | loke_: /var/log/daemon.log perhaps? |
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| 06:25.27 | loke_ | pmwilson, im gonna paste in flood |
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| 06:26.38 | majestix | Did anyone experience wrong colors (almost b/w with some green) with nvidia driver for xfree86? doesnt happen with xfree "nv" driver......... I am using debian/sid with kernel 2.4.25-1-k7 and the nvidia drivers... |
| 06:26.52 | majestix | while using mplayer or xine... |
| 06:26.59 | blackish | does anyone know if copy-protected cd's can be played in linux somehow? any infos? |
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| 06:27.20 | Hyp3rion | blackish - copy protected cds? never heard of that :-/ |
| 06:27.26 | cod | hi guys |
| 06:27.35 | Hyp3rion | !hi cod |
| 06:27.36 | dpkg | Top o' the afternoon to ya, cod |
| 06:27.38 | blackish | to play |
| 06:27.50 | The_Vulture | Hyp3rion: they aren't uncommon these days, audio CDs designed not to be playable on computers basically (sounds odd, I know, but they do exist) |
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| 06:28.04 | mdh | Hyp3rion: its the latest stunt. Technically they're not CD's because the copy-protection bit violates the CD standard :) |
| 06:28.08 | cod | I have installed vmware on my box, I can run it fine, but each time I have to load its modules by hand. How should I add them to modules.conf? |
| 06:28.15 | pmwilson | loke_: that doesn't really help.... hmm. |
| 06:28.27 | The_Vulture | basically playing on the difference between the usual implementation for audio CD players, and that of normal CDROM readers |
| 06:28.28 | mdh | and ... Pioneer? Panasonic? whoever it is that made the CD standard took offense at it |
| 06:28.41 | loke_ | pmwilson, im looking through the mesg |
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| 06:28.49 | peterS | mdh: phillips |
| 06:29.07 | The_Vulture | cod: nothing to do with vmware, and if you want to load modules automagically, man 5 modules |
| 06:29.08 | directhex | the problem (or one of them) lies in the error correction data |
| 06:29.12 | pmwilson | loke_: so, you have one of those broadband router thingies ? |
| 06:29.16 | mdh | luckily some are labelled as being this defective media |
| 06:29.26 | Hyp3rion | The_Vulture, mdh - strange :-/ maybe it will never reach hungary... |
| 06:29.29 | loke_ | pmwilson, yes |
| 06:29.36 | blackish | funny thing is my MB has a feature that it can turn on at the press of <esc> button & play the CD normally like a stereo, but linux doesnt like it |
| 06:29.42 | directhex | a hi-fi will read the error correction info if there's a scratch, so as not to cause problems. some other devices (cars, walkmen, pcs) read the data at all times just to be sure |
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| 06:30.13 | directhex | the corrupted standard basically writes garbage to the ecc sectors, so anything which is happily doing some checking goes "wtf" and dies |
| 06:30.27 | blackish | is there a way to tell *nix & the player to disgregard the error checks? |
| 06:30.37 | directhex | they also die on their ass if they get scratched, so be wary |
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| 06:31.14 | pmwilson | loke_: log onto it... and look at its status page (or whatever), and tell us what it says. it should have your internet IP address (you can not share this if you'd like) and the DNS servers it has been told to use. |
| 06:31.30 | pmwilson | loke_: do any of those match what you want to use on your machine? |
| 06:31.32 | Hyp3rion | directhex - lol, 10min hack on cdparanoia |
| 06:31.32 | blackish | ALso the CD sounds shit under windows playing with the 'official player', maybe they degrad eaudio so ppl cannot snarf the audio stream? fucking sux |
| 06:31.48 | pmwilson | loke_: 2) what does your resolv.conf currently say |
| 06:31.52 | directhex | erm no, they keep 32k wma copies of the audio on the cd |
| 06:31.58 | directhex | for pc people |
| 06:32.07 | mdh | 32k? |
| 06:32.07 | Hyp3rion | or maybe there is already an --ignore-ecc option :-/ |
| 06:32.17 | blackish | aah |
| 06:32.19 | directhex | i heard someone was using as high as 64k |
| 06:32.19 | The_Vulture | pmwilson: what good would it do him not to share his IP address? it's publicly available.. 24.126.23.12 apparently |
| 06:32.20 | mdh | I seriously hope that's a typo |
| 06:32.21 | directhex | but 32k is standard |
| 06:33.03 | karsten | Anyone know where KDE's /usr/share/applnk/ files should be (package-wise)? I'm missing a bunch. Eg: System/konsole.desktop |
| 06:33.05 | blackish | GRR that pisses me off, no-way i'm ever gonna buy a CD now |
| 06:33.09 | directhex | i haven't bought a single audio cd in years, because nobody sells them anymore |
| 06:33.11 | blackish | again, that is |
| 06:33.14 | mdh | blackish: these are not CD's |
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| 06:33.16 | directhex | they sell round cd-shaped plastic discs |
| 06:33.26 | mdh | these are defective media sold in music stores |
| 06:33.27 | blackish | :) i know, i know |
| 06:33.30 | pmwilson | The_Vulture: *ah* nevermind then... i've been on other irc networks that mask it for some reason. |
| 06:33.41 | mdh | and they're usually marked as such on the box |
| 06:33.46 | directhex | i'd buy cds if anyone sold them |
| 06:33.49 | The_Vulture | pmwilson: some people have masks, not sure who you have to talk to to get one |
| 06:34.07 | directhex | not anymore, mdh. you have to look carefully for the little logo of the company that licenses the tech these days |
| 06:34.21 | directhex | the telltale sign is having no "compact disc digital audio" logo on the sleve, case or disc |
| 06:34.22 | exobyte | this is a dumb qustion, but what is the correct way to use an old config file in a new kernel? |
| 06:34.24 | mdh | just refuse to buy them, and tell the storepeople you've noted they've got some defective products that you won't be purchasing, and you'll be informing everyone else you come across not to purchase either |
| 06:34.44 | mdh | helps if you persuade others actually in the store at the time, too |
| 06:34.46 | The_Vulture | exobyte: I doubt there is one, but I wouldn't know, I've never had a desire/need to build a kernel. |
| 06:35.10 | exobyte | The_Vulture: never?! |
| 06:35.10 | sharth | if i'm the creator of a bug report, but not a dd, am i able to close said bug report? |
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| 06:35.17 | The_Vulture | exobyte: never |
| 06:35.22 | Hyp3rion | exobyte - make oldconfig before menuconfig... |
| 06:35.30 | The_Vulture | stock debian kernels do me just fine |
| 06:35.33 | directhex | i rant & rave on forums, since i don't bother going to music stores |
| 06:35.34 | cod | The_Vulture, I saw man modules, man update-modules, but the prob is, that I added vmmon and vmnet to /etc/modules and ran update-modules, and I think it didnt added those modules to modules.conf |
| 06:35.53 | exobyte | Hyp3rion: but won't that just ask me about every option? |
| 06:36.01 | The_Vulture | cod: what's it got to do with modules.conf? I don't think you've read the man pages too carefully |
| 06:36.07 | Hyp3rion | exobyte - every new option |
| 06:36.13 | The_Vulture | I put things in /etc/modules all the time (well when I need to) and it just works |
| 06:36.14 | loke___ | pmwilson, heh |
| 06:36.17 | Hyp3rion | :-/ |
| 06:36.26 | floppyears | does anybody know how to use MATLAB here? |
| 06:36.27 | Hyp3rion | exobyte - that can be 2000 questions tho :-( |
| 06:36.48 | The_Vulture | floppyears: wouldn't #matlab be more appropriate? |
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| 06:37.01 | The_Vulture | r00t! :) |
| 06:37.03 | Guerin | !tell dram4 about root |
| 06:37.04 | directhex | know the funny one? recent report by the british mpaa equivalent: " £ 45 million of piracy goes on in the uk, it's horrible, it's awful. profits up 40%, life is GREAT" |
| 06:37.06 | exobyte | Hyp3rion: and here's my problem. I could just do a diff against the custom .config |
| 06:37.21 | Guerin | directhex: can you say doublespeak? |
| 06:37.24 | Midian | !tell midian about root |
| 06:37.29 | Hyp3rion | floppyears - apt-get install maxima; kill matlab |
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| 06:37.35 | Guerin | !tell midian about /msg |
| 06:37.37 | cod | The_Vulture, I looked and looked how to add something and I didn?t found anything. So i saw /etc/modules and it says that I should put there the names of modules that I want to root at boot time |
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| 06:37.54 | loke___ | pmwilson, all my /etc/resolv.conf says is nameserver 204.127.198.19 |
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| 06:37.59 | The_Vulture | cod: and did you? and did it load? |
| 06:38.05 | mickeyks | is there a way i can keep the colors in "ls" while piping it to "more"? |
| 06:38.11 | loke___ | pmwilson, thats the only line it has |
| 06:38.18 | Midian | !tell Guerin about thanks |
| 06:38.25 | floppyears | The_Vulture: didn't know there was a matlab channel. |
| 06:38.31 | cod | The_Vulture, I dont understand very well, about the two types of files that are described in update-modules, normal and executable. Dunno what is the kind of file I have. |
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| 06:38.37 | Guerin | mickeyks: I doubt it - see if you can fins a pager which supports bash colour coding |
| 06:38.43 | Guerin | Midian: :) |
| 06:38.47 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: not really, try -F instead, you'll get character based indicators instead of colour |
| 06:38.49 | Trewas | directhex: funny thing that at least here in finland those copy-protected audio-cds are often a couple of euros more expensive than non-defective versions, like the consumer would get something extra with copy-protections and so the higher price... |
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| 06:38.52 | cod | The_Vulture, I did, and I havent made a reboot, but I checked modules.conf and it doesnt contains the modules that I added |
| 06:38.53 | loke___ | pmwilson, i tried to add the nameserver address to /etc/dhclient.conf, but didnt work, then i tried to add the router address, but didnt work |
| 06:39.00 | mickeyks | Guerin: that's another option |
| 06:39.12 | Bleak | clear |
| 06:39.14 | cod | The_Vulture, also, I tried with modconf and it seem like it cant see the folder that has the modules. |
| 06:39.14 | The_Vulture | cod: what makes you think /etc/modules should change /etc/modules.conf? |
| 06:39.20 | directhex | Trewas, they DO! their music is SECURE that way, against unpleasant behaviour like being played by consumers |
| 06:39.23 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: ok, that's a pity |
| 06:39.24 | pmwilson | loke___: is that the nameserver you want to use? |
| 06:39.28 | floppyears | Hyp3rion: I use maxima, but I have a friend that is trying to export a matlab simmulation to C |
| 06:39.29 | loke___ | yes |
| 06:39.31 | The_Vulture | cod: what are these mystical modules you're trying to load? how did you install them? |
| 06:39.32 | cod | The_Vulture, isnt that what update-modules does? |
| 06:39.33 | Guerin | mickeyks: I have the same problem, I just CBA solving it :) |
| 06:39.37 | loke___ | that is my isps name server |
| 06:39.46 | directhex | in answer to the original question though, you can usually rip corrupted cds to ogg fine, you just can't play them normally |
| 06:39.46 | The_Vulture | cod: I guess you didn't read the man page too carefully. |
| 06:39.56 | karsten | mickeyks: --color=on |
| 06:39.58 | abydos | sussudio: I just got around to looking at the userpic at http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/abydos_big.jpg. That actually isn't too far from my personality sometimes. |
| 06:40.06 | pmwilson | loke___: or is that what what written to that file automatically? |
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| 06:40.15 | cod | The_Vulture, well, Im really guessing, but it is becuase the man pages doesn?t describe how I should add new modules |
| 06:40.15 | karsten | mickeyks: Though more will get them confuzzed, as they're escape sequences it doesn't recognize. |
| 06:40.25 | Hyp3rion | floppyears - i see. tho maxima is not perfect its free at least. |
| 06:40.30 | loke___ | pmwilson that is what i put in the file |
| 06:40.32 | karsten | mickeyks: s/on/always/ |
| 06:40.50 | The_Vulture | cod: no, man 5 modules explains that |
| 06:40.56 | karsten | mickeyks: 'most' might support color. |
| 06:40.58 | cod | The_Vulture, it just talks about the kind of expressions it ignores, the directory, the kind of files, but I can see that on modutils, there is an structure...arch, etc.. |
| 06:41.04 | cod | The_Vulture, let me check that |
| 06:41.06 | mickeyks | karsten: the color is already on by default, but it doesn't stay in effect when piped into more |
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| 06:41.14 | asciiwhite | hello all |
| 06:41.21 | The_Vulture | cod: look it's simple, put the name of the modules to load in /etc/modules, then it works... |
| 06:41.35 | The_Vulture | assuming the module is appropriately installed |
| 06:41.36 | Guerin | !hi asciiwhite |
| 06:41.36 | dpkg | Top o' the evenin' to ya, asciiwhite |
| 06:41.52 | directhex | evening? it's half 7 in the morning :/ |
| 06:41.54 | cod | The_Vulture, the prob I have with those modules, is that I can only load them with insmod and their full path. modprobe doesn?t find them |
| 06:42.02 | Guerin | directhex: it's evening soomewhere |
| 06:42.03 | asciiwhite | i just upgraded from 2.4.26 to 2.6.7-pre1 , I've got a microsoft ps2 mouse , the mouse works but the middle scroll no longer works |
| 06:42.08 | The_Vulture | cod: then I guess you haven't installed them properly, do that |
| 06:42.09 | pmwilson | loke___: well... what does it stick in there when auto-generated? ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 (or eth1 or whatever) |
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| 06:42.39 | cod | The_Vulture, there were installed by vmware. It copied them to /lib/modules/kernelver/misc |
| 06:42.51 | cod | The_Vulture, I ran modconf and it doesnt seems to see misc. |
| 06:42.52 | asciiwhite | any suggestions ? |
| 06:43.06 | loke___ | pmwilson im rebooting so i can tell u |
| 06:43.09 | loke___ | one second |
| 06:43.12 | mickeyks | most does not seem to want to keep the color either |
| 06:43.32 | cod | The_Vulture, most modules are on the same path but inside a kernel folder. But the nvidia modules is outside just as misc, and modconf can see the nvidia folder |
| 06:43.46 | pmwilson | loke___: ugh... you don't need to reboot |
| 06:44.03 | Guerin | asciiwhite: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" in your XF86Config-4 |
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| 06:44.19 | Guerin | !reboot |
| 06:44.19 | dpkg | Not on your life cowboy :(, or are you using Window$? |
| 06:44.20 | Hyp3rion | mickeyks - most keeps the color for me |
| 06:44.20 | pmwilson | loke___: just do what i told you to do: |
| 06:44.20 | pmwilson | lo |
| 06:44.20 | pmwilson | loke___: 'ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0' on the command line as root |
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| 06:44.35 | pmwilson | loke___: the only time you need to reboot is if you're changing the kernel. |
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| 06:44.42 | mickeyks | Hyp3rion: maybe a woody/sid thing? |
| 06:44.53 | exobyte | is there a gui frontend for diff? |
| 06:44.55 | Hyp3rion | mickeyks - did you see my colors? |
| 06:45.10 | Hyp3rion | mickeyks - "color" was colored... all letters different... |
| 06:45.13 | asciiwhite | Guerin, under mouse input ? |
| 06:45.17 | mickeyks | Hyp3rion: nope. |
| 06:45.29 | Guerin | asciiwhite: where else? |
| 06:45.36 | asciiwhite | well its there |
| 06:45.38 | asciiwhite | allready |
| 06:45.49 | Hyp3rion | mickeyks - :-D your irc client doesnt seem to display color either... i used most in woody too, that had color :-/ |
| 06:45.59 | Guerin | asciiwhite: what driver are you using? |
| 06:46.10 | Guerin | asciiwhite: imps/2 |
| 06:46.11 | Guerin | ? |
| 06:46.47 | mickeyks | Hyp3rion: my irc client, irssi, displays lots of color. my nick is always bold, the nicks of people talking to me is yellow bold, people coming and going are turquoise, usernames are green |
| 06:46.52 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: nope, most of sid don't keep colours for me |
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| 06:47.01 | asciiwhite | mmm the option was out of place one seck let me test this |
| 06:47.02 | asciiwhite | brb |
| 06:47.08 | Hyp3rion | mickeyks - oh. irssi strips color from messages :-/ |
| 06:47.22 | loke_ | pmwilson, here is what the /etc/resolv.conf says when my box reboots Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 06:47.48 | loke_ | everything starts and works fine just that one file |
| 06:47.55 | loke_ | well and apm |
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| 06:48.05 | asciiwhite | sorry what was that last question ? |
| 06:48.06 | Hyp3rion | maybe even less can be set to be 8bit-clean |
| 06:48.38 | mickeyks | surely this is a common problem? what good is the funky color coding if you can only use it with directories that happen to take up less than one screen? |
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| 06:48.47 | loke_ | pmwilson, u here? |
| 06:49.00 | cod | I have to modules on the folder /lib/modules/mykernelver/misc, if I run modprobe to load them, it can?t find them, any ideas? |
| 06:49.00 | asciiwhite | Guerin, what was that last question ? |
| 06:49.02 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: lots of use, most of my directories take up less than that |
| 06:49.08 | The_Vulture | especially if they have different types of content |
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| 06:49.15 | pmwilson | loke_: yeah... hangon |
| 06:49.21 | Guerin | asciiwhite: <Guerin> asciiwhite: what driver are you using? <Guerin> asciiwhite: imps/2? |
| 06:49.23 | Hejux | why is debian so popular? |
| 06:49.30 | The_Vulture | the only time I'd have a directory bigger than my xterm would be if it has systematically named content (eg: a directory for every student in a course or something) |
| 06:49.32 | Guerin | Hejux: because it is teh rox |
| 06:49.41 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: ok, bad way for me to put it, but it would help me a lot if it worked the other way too |
| 06:49.43 | Hejux | teh rox |
| 06:49.50 | Hejux | whats the meaning? |
| 06:49.54 | Hyp3rion | Hejux? dont you like it? |
| 06:49.56 | Guerin | Hejux: yeah, teh fucking roxxor |
| 06:50.00 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: did you try -F? |
| 06:50.16 | Guerin | Hejux: just say it aloud and the meaning will come to you |
| 06:50.29 | jm_ | mickeyks: pipe it to less -r |
| 06:50.31 | Hejux | i never used debian |
| 06:50.36 | Hyp3rion | lol |
| 06:50.48 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: well, i'm talking about system directories like /usr/sbin...yeah, -F does add characters to the end of the file names |
| 06:50.48 | jm_ | mickeyks: but you need to tell ls to use colours when not talking to a tty as well |
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| 06:50.50 | Hejux | how to read teh rox ??? |
| 06:50.53 | mdh | Hejux: have you been using softer drugs? |
| 06:50.54 | Guerin | Hejux: then you can be forgiven for not knowing how muc teh rox it is |
| 06:51.02 | asciiwhite | Guerin, not sure there is no driver section for hte mouse in the XF86Config file. |
| 06:51.11 | Guerin | Hejux: say: "teh rox" |
| 06:51.12 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - Hejux is chinese! |
| 06:51.24 | debian | Hejux: /whois Hejux |
| 06:51.33 | mdh | debian is much more teh rox than crack |
| 06:51.35 | Guerin | Hejux: ok, fair enough. teh rox means it's really good |
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| 06:51.36 | Hyp3rion | debian - U remember him eh? |
| 06:51.40 | Hejux | yeah ,don't use shot ways |
| 06:51.42 | mickeyks | jm_: do i need to tell it that for less -r to work? |
| 06:52.05 | debian | Hyp3rion: of course |
| 06:52.05 | Hejux | :O Guerin |
| 06:52.06 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: less -r will work, but ls doesn't use colour automatically when talking to a non-tty |
| 06:52.07 | jm_ | mickeyks: yes, ls normally strips colours when piping its output to a command |
| 06:52.09 | The_Vulture | you have to force colour |
| 06:52.18 | Hyp3rion | debian - so, finally I WON!!1! |
| 06:52.23 | Hyp3rion | :-P~~~ |
| 06:52.24 | The_Vulture | and force it to use more than one column, somehow.. maybe |
| 06:52.30 | jm_ | mick_laptop: i.e. ls --color=always, but it's not a good idea |
| 06:52.35 | mdh | Hyp3rion: you ascended? |
| 06:52.38 | Hejux | can you spell its fool name for teh rox? Guerin |
| 06:52.43 | Hejux | hi debian |
| 06:52.47 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: less -r doesn't work for me |
| 06:52.50 | Hejux | i remember you |
| 06:52.50 | asciiwhite | Guerin, DEVICE="/dev/psaux |
| 06:52.53 | mickeyks | i mean, it doesn't keep the color |
| 06:52.54 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: define "doesn't work" |
| 06:52.55 | asciiwhite | no driver part |
| 06:52.58 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: of course not |
| 06:53.02 | Hyp3rion | mdh - i dont play nethack (yet?) |
| 06:53.03 | The_Vulture | jm_ and I have been telling you why |
| 06:53.09 | Guerin | Hejux: teh = the, rox = rocks, as in "rock and roll" - it means "really really good" |
| 06:53.15 | Hejux | debian : are you from HongKong? |
| 06:53.16 | debian | Hejux: hi Hejux, don't raise silly question here. :) |
| 06:53.19 | mickeyks | my mistake, i thought that was why i was being told to do it? |
| 06:53.19 | mick_laptop | i hate idiots who can't use autocompletion correctly |
| 06:53.20 | The_Vulture | you have to force ls to use colour because by default when talking to a non-tty (eg: when being piped to another program), less will not use colours, nor will it use columns |
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| 06:53.25 | Guerin | Hejux: sorry to confuse you :) |
| 06:53.34 | loke_ | pmwilson, where u at man? |
| 06:53.35 | The_Vulture | so you have to force colours and columns if you want them when you are piping the result of ls to another program |
| 06:53.41 | directhex | more usefully, debian is highly configurable, without being overboard & scary |
| 06:54.04 | asciiwhite | Guerin, yes its imps |
| 06:54.08 | Guerin | jm_: not a good idea to alias less="less -r" then? |
| 06:54.17 | directhex | mandrake or somesuch would be buying a packard bell pc, debian would be buying all the parts online & building yourself, gentoo... it involves a dremmel & soldering iron |
| 06:54.21 | Hejux | Guerin: yeah i know it now ,thanks. :) |
| 06:54.23 | Hyp3rion | Hejux - try teh knoppah livecd, that has chinese, japanese, hebrew, devanagiri, EVERYTHING out of teh box! |
| 06:54.23 | Guerin | asciiwhite: and you only have one scrollwheel? |
| 06:54.25 | jm_ | Guerin: well that's not so bad, but ls --color=always may not be |
| 06:54.31 | cod | I added a path to /etc/modutils/paths, now what should I do so it can make the changes? |
| 06:54.44 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: ok...how do i force the colors then? |
| 06:54.51 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: man ls :) |
| 06:54.58 | asciiwhite | yes |
| 06:55.00 | Guerin | jm_: hrm, i already have color=always set, I figured I might as well have both so I can enjoy beautiful colors in less as well... |
| 06:55.03 | The_Vulture | I figured it out already.. jm_ has already shown you actually |
| 06:55.06 | Hyp3rion | debian - -Urwhk- IREFVBA Bcren Z2/7.50 (Jva32, ohvyq 3778) |
| 06:55.07 | asciiwhite | actually it was set to auto |
| 06:55.11 | asciiwhite | let me try imps/2 |
| 06:55.12 | asciiwhite | brb |
| 06:55.15 | Guerin | asciiwhite: yes, do so |
| 06:55.18 | The_Vulture | Guerin: that's not such a great idea, as jm_ mentioned |
| 06:55.36 | The_Vulture | some shell scripts might depend on ls not producing freakish colour coded output.. |
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| 06:55.43 | veleno | how do i avoid postgresql to start at every startup of my system? |
| 06:55.45 | The_Vulture | rare, but not unheard of |
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| 06:55.51 | The_Vulture | veleno: man update-rc.d |
| 06:55.51 | jm_ | veleno: that's teh default in Debian |
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| 06:55.53 | asciiwhite | thanks Guerin |
| 06:55.54 | asciiwhite | that did it |
| 06:55.57 | jm_ | the even |
| 06:56.00 | asciiwhite | ^^ |
| 06:56.03 | Guerin | jm_: why is it not a good color - just because it adds garbage to the output of ls? |
| 06:56.04 | The_Vulture | jm_: I think he wants to turn off the default |
| 06:56.11 | Guerin | asciiwhite: oh happy day |
| 06:56.19 | asciiwhite | is for me :) |
| 06:56.20 | jm_ | The_Vulture: ahh "avoid" being the keyword, silly me |
| 06:56.21 | Guerin | damn |
| 06:56.26 | The_Vulture | Guerin: what if a program (most commonly a shell script) is invoking ls and using the result for some purpose? |
| 06:56.27 | Guerin | my english is horrific today |
| 06:56.34 | The_Vulture | if you've got colour codes mixed in, it's going to get quite confused |
| 06:56.35 | directhex | !congratulate asciiwhite |
| 06:56.36 | dpkg | huzzah asciiwhite, you did it! |
| 06:56.39 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: already read it, thanks |
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| 06:56.47 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: got columns and colour? |
| 06:56.49 | jm_ | Guerin: well yeah, maybe you'll want to do ls > foo someday, or somesuch |
| 06:56.51 | mickeyks | jm_: i'm not clear on what your suggested healthy way to do this is |
| 06:56.56 | asciiwhite | *the crowd roars* |
| 06:57.09 | directhex | how about a victory lap? |
| 06:57.10 | Guerin | The_Vulture: yeah, that's true. Even so, I've not had a problem since I stole it from someone's .bashrc 6 months ago |
| 06:57.14 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: when i'm not piping it into less, yes i do |
| 06:57.16 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: leave colour as auto, and just use --color=always on an as-needed basis |
| 06:57.20 | directhex | get alsa working, with full dmix. you have 10 minutes. GO! |
| 06:57.33 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: have you figured out how to get both colour and columns even when piping? |
| 06:57.38 | Hyp3rion | directhex - i have it working! |
| 06:57.45 | Guerin | jm_: well, my hack will be to alias lsc to ls --color=always, I think |
| 06:57.45 | The_Vulture | it's covered in the man page, and jm_ and I have mentioned half of it several times |
| 06:57.52 | jm_ | mickeyks: well perhaps add another alias for it, like lscolour or whatever that passes the option to ls and use it as desired |
| 06:57.53 | directhex | that was for asciiwhite really |
| 06:57.56 | Hyp3rion | dmix? |
| 06:57.56 | The_Vulture | Guerin: sure, that's not a hopeless idea |
| 06:57.59 | jm_ | Guerin: yeah |
| 06:58.02 | Guerin | that way ls gets left alone and I can have colors without difficulty |
| 06:58.07 | The_Vulture | having "ls" aliased as ls --color=always wouldn't be great |
| 06:58.22 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: what i am trying to do is not covered on the man page |
| 06:58.22 | cod | I added a path to /etc/modutils/paths, now what should I do so it can make the changes? |
| 06:58.24 | directhex | dmix. the bit of alsa that allows simultaneous sounds without a sound server to work |
| 06:58.32 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: yes it is |
| 06:58.37 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: and using --color=always does not keep the colors |
| 06:58.39 | asciiwhite | directhex, sorryw what ? |
| 06:58.46 | asciiwhite | ow :) |
| 06:58.53 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: you are claiming that "ls --color=always | less -r" does not produce coloured output? |
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| 06:59.09 | jm_ | dmix configuration is nicely covered in ALSA WIKI page(s) |
| 06:59.10 | Hyp3rion | directhex - and why would you have simultaneous sounds? even when the computer can emit it, your brain would screw up?! |
| 06:59.14 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: yes. i am making that claim. |
| 06:59.32 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: no, may people have brains that are capable of sorting sound |
| 06:59.35 | directhex | Hyp3rion, so you can get new mail alerts whilst listening to music? |
| 06:59.45 | Hyp3rion | oh |
| 06:59.52 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: no i'm not |
| 06:59.56 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: never watched TV, played quake and listened to music, while having a discussion with your wife before? |
| 07:00.02 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: indeed, so what were you claiming? |
| 07:00.09 | peterS | Hyp3rion: come on. *most* of us can hear a conversation and listen to unrelated music, at the same time, and process both |
| 07:00.28 | myXtie | I googled teh rox : I know but I started thinking if I learned english from wwwf reruns then I would know teh rox |
| 07:00.49 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: that the solution you just gave me is not on the ls man page, but thanks for it anyway, now i just have to figure out how to keep columns |
| 07:01.04 | peterS | mickeyks: ls -C |
| 07:01.07 | directhex | most of us can, say, play a videogame which has background music AND sound effects without collapsing to the floor twitching |
| 07:01.18 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: of course it isn't, you have to figure out how to separate the problems, solve each one, then integrate them into a single solution |
| 07:01.21 | Guerin | I don't recommend it - the wife starts to feel like she's not being well enough respected, which is probably not unreasonable |
| 07:01.29 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - i am 17 i have no wife. i live in hungary i watch no tv because it's like in mexico. i play no quake or if i do i listen to teh other players making suspicious sounds to find them faster than they find me. and i listen to musix all the time yes. and my soundcard can play 4 streams by hardware without this dmix :-/ |
| 07:01.35 | Hyp3rion | yay it was long |
| 07:01.44 | The_Vulture | we discussed all the tools, explained what they were and why they were at length, if you failed to understand thhose explanations you could have asked for clarification (after trying to clarify by reading the appropriate man pages).. |
| 07:01.51 | mickeyks | peterS: thanks |
| 07:01.55 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: no need to take it literally. It's the principle I'm talking about. |
| 07:02.15 | loke_ | pmwilson, wilson.. |
| 07:02.16 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: please put me on ignore and keep me there |
| 07:02.25 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: where's the fun in that? |
| 07:02.45 | arkane | is Kevin free already? |
| 07:02.46 | jm_ | Hyp3rion: it doesn't mean your software can play it, even if your sound card can ... |
| 07:03.00 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: you won't have to waste time with my silly questions, and i won't have to get irritated at your needless condescension |
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| 07:03.11 | Guerin | arkane: I know not of your "Kevin" |
| 07:03.14 | Grant_ | Anyone know how to reload the aliases file? |
| 07:03.15 | peterS | arkane: no, they're still charging for access to him |
| 07:03.33 | Hyp3rion | jm_ - but yes if i select different dsp for wife and xmms for instance nope? |
| 07:03.37 | directhex | for example, with oss, every device that makes sound blocks /dev/dsp - which doesn't sit well with multiple sounds at once, even if you have a 96 channel card |
| 07:03.47 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: can't you see how it might be more productive in the long term if you learnt how to listen to and respond to answers, your question wasn't unreasonable, and I certainly learnt something I didn't know before by the discussion that ensued, but I'm really not sure what you gained from the actual responses you got |
| 07:03.50 | jm_ | Hyp3rion: is this SB Live card ? |
| 07:04.02 | Grant_ | How do you reload /etc/aliases??? |
| 07:04.03 | The_Vulture | and I'd be interested to understand what it was you didn't understand about what was said to you, and why you seemed to just ignore it.. |
| 07:04.04 | jm_ | Grant_: isn't there a command called newaliases or somesuch ? |
| 07:04.06 | peterS | directhex: if you have 96 channels, I would expect the OSS driver to expose multiple /dev/dsp interfaces |
| 07:04.07 | Hyp3rion | jm_ - close... sb awe64 |
| 07:04.08 | jm_ | Grant_: read the docs |
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| 07:04.18 | Grant_ | jm_ what docs? |
| 07:04.18 | peterS | directhex: the sblive driver lets you have /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1 and probably more, for examlpe |
| 07:04.18 | Grant_ | LOL |
| 07:04.24 | Guerin | !lol |
| 07:04.25 | dpkg | LOL or Lamer On Line is often confused with Laugh{s,ing} Out Loud. If you wish to convey amusement or the fact that you are laughing, use 'heh', or 'haha'. Remeber, IRC is not AIM, nor is it SMS. See ne1, u, ur and the other AOLisms. heraus laut lachen |
| 07:04.34 | directhex | /dev/dsp is a symlink to /dev/dsp1 |
| 07:04.45 | Ra|mis | debian have integrated firewall? |
| 07:04.50 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: what i gained was the answer. i did read the man pages, and i could have gone back and read them again many times, but i don't think that would have been reasonable |
| 07:04.51 | peterS | directhex: not on my box |
| 07:04.54 | The_Vulture | Ra|mis: debian doesn't have integrated anything much.. |
| 07:04.57 | peterS | directhex: it's a link to dsp0 |
| 07:04.59 | jm_ | Hyp3rion: ohh I am not sure about that, but emu10k1 OSS driver can do this fine |
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| 07:05.02 | directhex | close enough |
| 07:05.02 | Guerin | Ra|mis: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 07:05.16 | peterS | directhex: no, you're missing the point |
| 07:05.16 | Hyp3rion | jm_ - this too ;-) |
| 07:05.20 | jm_ | and sb128 cards give you /dev/dsp0 and /dev/dsp1 - which is often very useful |
| 07:05.23 | peterS | directhex: the point is, /dev/dsp1 is *also* available |
| 07:05.23 | blackish | can anyone get to xiph.org? |
| 07:05.26 | mickeyks | anyway, the final answer here has been very helpful and i'll make an alias out of it |
| 07:05.33 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: only after the complete solution was given to you, by me, I don't understand what you were doing before I provided that, since myself and jm_ had provided the necessary tools to construct the answer I had given |
| 07:05.37 | jm_ | Hyp3rion: yeah then you don't need dmix, but it's still useful for many people |
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| 07:05.47 | Hyp3rion | i see. |
| 07:06.02 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: i guess i'm just really dumb. please don't consider yourself obligated to ever help me again |
| 07:06.03 | The_Vulture | and if there was something about that that was not complete, some kind of probing questions about the information provided would have been useful, rather than a rather non-responsiveness.. |
| 07:06.08 | Grant_ | Anyone know how to reload the /etc/aliases file? |
| 07:06.15 | peterS | the missing piece of the puzzle, with OSS, is that there is no /dev/dsp device which automatically gets redirected to the next free DSP |
| 07:06.20 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 07:06.20 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 07:06.25 | peterS | that's what the sblive driver *should* have implemented (: |
| 07:06.28 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: I don't consider myself obligated to help anyone at any time, certainly least of all people in places like this |
| 07:06.29 | Grant_ | Guerin shutup. |
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| 07:06.47 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: as for the self deprecating statements, that's not really what I'm getting at |
| 07:06.48 | jm_ | peterS: why ? it doesn't have to since the card can do hardware mixing |
| 07:06.48 | Guerin | Grant_: no, I believe it is YOU who should shut up |
| 07:06.54 | Guerin | !repeat |
| 07:06.54 | dpkg | i heard repeat is If nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco)), or ask me about "rephrase", or ask about "smart questions" |
| 07:06.56 | peterS | Grant_: 'newaliases' reloads /etc/aliases |
| 07:07.12 | Hyp3rion | directhex - 96 channels may mean 96-voice midi wavetable :-( |
| 07:07.14 | directhex | alternatively they could just stop messing about with oss, since alsa provides the funct... never mind |
| 07:07.17 | peterS | Grant_: some MTAs don't need to do anything to reload them, in which case newaliases does nothing |
| 07:07.18 | lknyshov | Grant_: hmm I used to, but you are better off reading the relevant manual for your MTA. |
| 07:07.19 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: here's a probing question: is there something i can say to you that will greatly decrease the chances of your responding to me the next time i ask one? |
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| 07:07.24 | Ra|mis | why I can;t start gfcc: Your kernel doesn't support ipchains or proc file system ? |
| 07:07.24 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: ok, long story short: given the final solution, do you understand the comments that were made in response to your initial question and see how they could be used to answer your question? |
| 07:07.34 | peterS | jm_: does the OSS driver let multiple apps open /dev/dsp, then? |
| 07:07.41 | jm_ | peterS: yup |
| 07:07.42 | peterS | jm_: I was under the impression that it did not |
| 07:07.46 | Grant_ | peabody thank you. :) |
| 07:07.46 | Guerin | Ra|mis: because Your kernel doesn't support ipchains or proc file system |
| 07:07.47 | directhex | it does not. |
| 07:07.49 | Grant_ | erm |
| 07:07.54 | Grant_ | peterS: Thank you.. |
| 07:07.54 | peterS | Grant_: heh, np |
| 07:08.00 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: all that has already passed from my mind like last tuesday's weather |
| 07:08.28 | Ra|mis | how to make that kernel support ipchains? |
| 07:08.31 | Guerin | Ra|mis: what kernel is it? |
| 07:08.41 | sanxiyn | What is the appropriate way to request for a package once removed from the archive? |
| 07:08.56 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: then I suggest that if you're going to continue to use bash, it'd be nice to learn a bit more about what a tty is, and how pipes work, and how some programs change their default behaviour when interacting with non-ttys |
| 07:08.57 | jm_ | sanxiyn: why was it removed ? |
| 07:09.01 | peterS | sanxiyn: what? to install a package that is no longer on the FTP site, you mean? |
| 07:09.05 | mdh | peterS: multiple apps cannot open /dev/dsp HOWEVER some soundcards have multiple dsps and /dev/dsp is just a multiplexer |
| 07:09.08 | The_Vulture | it'd be a useful skill and applicable to many problems, not only the one you just had |
| 07:09.16 | The_Vulture | rather than trying to rote learn the solution to one specific problem |
| 07:09.19 | sanxiyn | I specifically want to see Ming (Flash generation library) packaged. |
| 07:09.28 | peterS | mdh: so those drivers *do* let multiple apps open /dev/dsp, then? |
| 07:09.29 | sanxiyn | http://bugs.debian.org/210360 states: |
| 07:09.41 | sanxiyn | This package has been removed from Debian unstable. The reasons are: orphaned, dead upstream, grave bugs, unused. |
| 07:09.43 | jm_ | sanxiyn: help fix the bugs then ... |
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| 07:09.48 | Guerin | Ra|mis: uname -r , we have a bet going |
| 07:09.52 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: i guess that depends on what my overall goals are |
| 07:09.56 | peterS | sanxiyn: check http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 07:10.11 | lknyshov | sanxiyn: become the package maintainer for the orphaned project. |
| 07:10.16 | peterS | Hyp3rion: it was called freax, and that was long before 0.99 |
| 07:10.16 | mdh | peterS: afaicr yes. the SB Live is one such card (emu10k driver) |
| 07:10.26 | sanxiyn | lknyshov: no, it's not orphaned, it's already removed. |
| 07:10.33 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: although i am not opposed to learning about those things and at some point when it's a priority i will probably read about them |
| 07:10.46 | Hyp3rion | sanxiyn - what? ming WAS used by many :-? |
| 07:10.46 | lknyshov | sanxiyn: This is open source, you can always resurrect things. |
| 07:10.46 | Ra|mis | 2.6.6 |
| 07:10.51 | sanxiyn | Upstream was dead *at that time*, but they mysteriously resurrected recently. |
| 07:10.52 | directhex | curses. thought he might be running 1.3/Bo. |
| 07:11.02 | Guerin | Ra|mis: that's not uname -r output |
| 07:11.05 | directhex | 2.6 series uses ittables, not ipchains |
| 07:11.15 | directhex | iirc |
| 07:11.20 | sanxiyn | Actually Ming project released 0.3 beta... |
| 07:11.24 | Guerin | Ra|mis: and further, directhex is right |
| 07:11.30 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: well most peoples goal is not to use the operating system for the sake of using it, but to use it to achieve some end (doing work, study, whatever) and by learning the general principals (to at least some perhaps relatively minor extent) will in the medium to long term help achieve such a goal when compared to trying to use the operating system without understanding such principals |
| 07:11.38 | lknyshov | sanxiyn: and who is the maintainer for Ming? |
| 07:11.44 | sanxiyn | peterS: thank you for snapshot one. |
| 07:11.46 | directhex | he is? kick ASS! |
| 07:11.50 | directhex | !congratulate directhex |
| 07:11.51 | dpkg | huzzah directhex, you did it! |
| 07:12.05 | Guerin | directhex: well, barring the typo, anyway... |
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| 07:12.32 | Hyp3rion | peterS okay maybe i was just learning to read & write in '90 |
| 07:12.35 | The_Vulture | the problem is that a lot of people don't see these general foundations as a "priority", the only priority tasks are specific ones, like the one you just had, and if you continue to seek the solutions to only single tasks without understanding the principals that underly the solutions, in the long run it'll take you more time and effort to not only find specific solutions to every problem, but to remember them, or ... |
| 07:12.41 | The_Vulture | ... re-find them when you forget them |
| 07:12.48 | The_Vulture | </soapbox> |
| 07:12.55 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: indeed, my reason is to use is just for the sake of using it. nevertheless, by learning in my own way via the specific subject that interest me, i have increased my understanding a lot in the last year or so |
| 07:12.56 | sussudio | !badger The_Vulture |
| 07:12.57 | dpkg | The_Vulture: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 07:13.16 | directhex | i laughtd far too hard at that :/ |
| 07:13.18 | The_Vulture | sussudio: fungi aren't tasty |
| 07:13.19 | Guerin | The_Vulture: you trying to take the "most characters per line" award from peterS? |
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| 07:13.31 | peterS | Guerin: I don't have the most characters per line |
| 07:13.35 | peterS | Guerin: just the most characters total |
| 07:13.38 | Guerin | The_Vulture: you would say that, you're a large ugly scavenging bird |
| 07:13.39 | sanxiyn | lknyshov: Ming 0.2a.cvs20020110 was in Woody. PTS says Erich Schubert once maintained it. |
| 07:13.48 | The_Vulture | Guerin: well I'd have to adjust the auto-split script I use up to the appropriate maximum for the server, which I don't know off hand.. |
| 07:13.57 | Guerin | peterS: it must be close though - yours is 20 above mine |
| 07:14.05 | directhex | dpkg: bananaphone is RingRingRingRIngRingRingRing...Bananaphone! |
| 07:14.06 | dpkg | okay, directhex |
| 07:14.21 | peterS | directhex: wow, that was stupid |
| 07:14.22 | Guerin | !useless factoid |
| 07:14.23 | dpkg | Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 07:14.24 | jm_ | The_Vulture: 512 bytes usually, but remove the length for "PRIVMSG #debian:" |
| 07:14.35 | directhex | i don't see the downside |
| 07:14.39 | lknyshov | sanxiyn: Sounds like someone needs to take the initiative in maintaining the 0.3 as a debian package. Maybe you? :) |
| 07:14.55 | sanxiyn | lknyshov: I am more than willing to do that :-) |
| 07:14.56 | peterS | directhex: the downside of polluting a knowledge database with gobs of useless stuff? |
| 07:14.58 | Hyp3rion | Q: how to set /ignore on evry line containing "badger" in xchat? |
| 07:15.04 | sanxiyn | lknyshov: Should I file an ITP? |
| 07:15.06 | jm_ | actually privmsg #debian : |
| 07:15.07 | peterS | directhex: makes it harder and take longer to search for the actual useful bits |
| 07:15.11 | directhex | <dpkg> Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 07:15.11 | elwood | about packaging..if i want to build a .deb, where i can find a good guide? |
| 07:15.19 | The_Vulture | jm_: ;) |
| 07:15.20 | lknyshov | sanxiyn: there is a section in the FAQ about how to become a package maintainer. |
| 07:15.34 | lknyshov | elwood: on debian.org, of course. |
| 07:15.36 | peterS | directhex: oh, *that* downside |
| 07:15.44 | Guerin | dpkg, useless factoid =~ s/knoppix user/brit/ |
| 07:15.44 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 07:15.51 | pmwilson | loke_: ugh... roomate interruption |
| 07:15.55 | loke_ | ugh |
| 07:15.58 | elwood | lknyshov, thank..have u ever tried? |
| 07:16.05 | The_Vulture | lknyshov: that'd be in the debian package maintainers guide.. |
| 07:16.22 | sussudio | s/brit/sheep/ |
| 07:16.30 | Guerin | sussudio: badger |
| 07:16.33 | lknyshov | elwood: I have no choice, I am developing a pretty crazy application that I intend to provide to my users as a .deb. I created Solaris packages before though. |
| 07:16.37 | mdh | dpkg, useless factoid =~ s/brit/kitten/ |
| 07:16.37 | dpkg | OK, mdh |
| 07:16.45 | mdh | to set it back to the original... heh |
| 07:16.48 | lknyshov | The_Vulture: that the faq has a link to :) |
| 07:16.55 | The_Vulture | lknyshov: neat-o |
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| 07:17.01 | Guerin | mdh: fair enough |
| 07:17.22 | sanxiyn | Ming 0.3 got much more features than 0.2 (Action scripts, image formats, video, sounds, everything). |
| 07:17.22 | elwood | lknyshov, i have a little experience with slack packs..it's different?by the way , let me check the how to :) |
| 07:17.30 | sanxiyn | Ok, for now I can use snapshot.debian.net. |
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| 07:17.55 | lknyshov | ElectricElf: as long as you know what your app requires as far as depends go, you'll do fine. |
| 07:18.01 | sanxiyn | lknyshov: I have a couple of packages on mentors.debian.net for that matter :-) |
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| 07:18.09 | arkane | bah, why dont they release 3.1 already.. i want a cd set that installs right the first time around |
| 07:18.12 | sanxiyn | lknyshov: No need to tell me to read NM guide :-) |
| 07:18.13 | Guerin | lknyshov: heh, you could make better typos than that... |
| 07:18.25 | Guerin | arkane: 3.1 of what? |
| 07:18.33 | arkane | debian of course |
| 07:18.45 | Guerin | arkane: there will never be a 3.1 - the next will be 4 |
| 07:18.45 | sanxiyn | Is Sarge 3.1 or 4.0? |
| 07:18.56 | arkane | sarge is suposed to be 3.1 |
| 07:18.59 | Guerin | arkane: and it installs fine, if you do it right |
| 07:19.07 | Guerin | arkane: nope, sarge will be 4 |
| 07:19.15 | Guerin | arkane: what's the problem |
| 07:19.15 | Guerin | ? |
| 07:19.20 | arkane | :/ but i am newbie, there is no right way to do it for me |
| 07:19.20 | sanxiyn | 3.1 is a good number. Think about Windows 3.1 :-) |
| 07:19.32 | directhex | 3.51! |
| 07:19.35 | Guerin | !bsod sanxiyn |
| 07:19.41 | directhex | we need a betting pool i think |
| 07:19.48 | Guerin | !sarge pool |
| 07:19.48 | dpkg | Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! sim0nrvn=2004-03-15 helix=2004-03-27 sharth=2004-03-03 croddy=2004-02-14 ghakko=2004-04-20 CompWizrd=103-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 beta3=WWSS peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-01-01 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin=WIR rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 Jawoota=2004-02-01, or Anthro=2004-03-21, or see "sarge bet" for how to add yours |
| 07:19.54 | arkane | Guerin, not much, just waiting while i use aptitude to install kde |
| 07:19.55 | Guerin | directhex: there is one |
| 07:20.06 | Guerin | arkane: then it's installed fine :) |
| 07:20.12 | mdh | we should just use the TeX versioning scheme |
| 07:20.19 | jm_ | only one contestant left |
| 07:20.37 | sanxiyn | mdh: that'd be cool. |
| 07:20.42 | sharth | !sarge losers |
| 07:20.43 | dpkg | from memory, sarge losers is We already have losers in the sarge pool! DelEat=2004-04-02 RichiH=2004-03-21 RinzeWind=2004-03-26 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 Anthro=2004-03-21 sim0nrvn=2004-03-15 helix=2004-03-27 sharth=2004-03-03 h=2004-03-01 Sinistrad=2004-02-29 zergouille_=2004-02-29 streuner=2004-02-29 greycat=2004-03-01 bytewalker=2004-03-02 croddy=2004-02-14 Chromakode=2004-02-25 zu22=2004-02-14 CompWizrd=103-12-25 gnupg=2004-01-01 Jawoota=2004-02-01 |
| 07:20.43 | arkane | at the console level, but i miss seeing the web in graphics |
| 07:20.54 | mdh | 3.1, 3.14, 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, etc |
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| 07:21.08 | Guerin | mdh: ah, yeah |
| 07:21.09 | xinming | I bet on 2004-12-25,Sarge will become available. :-) |
| 07:21.11 | sanxiyn | Sid shall be versioned "pi" then. |
| 07:21.19 | Guerin | mdh: at least we'll never run out of revisions |
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| 07:21.35 | directhex | !sarge pool 4 =~ s/!/! directhex=2004-12-25/ |
| 07:21.35 | dpkg | OK, directhex |
| 07:21.37 | netsplit | what's holding sarge up now? |
| 07:21.47 | directhex | some licensing over documentation iirc |
| 07:21.56 | peterS | netsplit: quite a number of things |
| 07:21.58 | xinming | It's said RC1 will be released soon. |
| 07:22.04 | mdh | then if it gets too long to print on CD's, pick a new irrational |
| 07:22.08 | Guerin | directhex: and non-free binary code in some modules |
| 07:22.08 | sanxiyn | xinming: Soon :-) |
| 07:22.26 | arkane | anybody knows where is Kevin Mitnick now? or if he has a mail address ? |
| 07:22.32 | directhex | he does |
| 07:22.37 | directhex | just a sec, i'll get it for you |
| 07:22.40 | xinming | sanxiyn: ? I don't know when,But I got this message in a forum. |
| 07:22.41 | Guerin | arkane: google him |
| 07:22.42 | mdh | arkane: he's hiding in my basement |
| 07:22.56 | Guerin | mdh: s/hiding/tied up/ |
| 07:23.14 | xinming | sanxiyn: But can you plz tell me how many rc will there be of a stable debian? |
| 07:23.23 | arkane | Guerin: i did, but no recent entry... they are all very old references |
| 07:23.39 | Guerin | xinming: as many as there need to be |
| 07:23.47 | sanxiyn | xinming: Can you give me a link to that message? |
| 07:24.10 | xinming | sanxiyn: lol.I saw it in a chinese forum. :-) you might not see it. |
| 07:24.24 | sanxiyn | I have Chinese font installed :-) |
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| 07:24.26 | directhex | it's on his company website somewhere |
| 07:24.28 | directhex | http://www.defensivethinking.com/main/index.php |
| 07:24.37 | arkane | thanks man |
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| 07:24.53 | xinming | sanxiyn: www.linuxsir.com/bbs/ |
| 07:25.00 | Guerin | hrm |
| 07:25.00 | xinming | sanxiyn: In debian sections. |
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| 07:25.13 | sanxiyn | xinming: I can read some Hanzi, but doesn't understand Chinese :-) |
| 07:25.19 | xinming | sanxiyn: there are recent news on debian.ppl will post it. :-) |
| 07:25.29 | xinming | sanxiyn: Oops.I'm hurt. |
| 07:25.37 | directhex | he;s definitely still about, there's a short interview of him in http://homepage.mac.com/kevinrose/thebroken3.avi |
| 07:25.39 | Guerin | my damn server sends me about 10 mails a day saying "everything's ok, don't worry" for various services ... I must turn them into a digest |
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| 07:29.08 | gring0 | hi |
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| 07:29.34 | gring0 | what happens if I install a newer version of a programar that I have downloaded with apt-get.. when it comes a newer one, will it be updated with apt-get update? |
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| 07:29.53 | Hyp3rion | apt-get upgrade |
| 07:30.20 | jm_ | gring0: no |
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| 07:30.34 | jm_ | gring0: assuming you mean that you didn't install a packaged version of it |
| 07:30.50 | gring0 | :( |
| 07:30.57 | mdh | hmm.. although alternatively you could lengthen the lifespan of the version numbers by simply printing the symbol and a number taken to be the digits of precision to take that constant to |
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| 07:31.15 | Guerin | mdh: wrong window? |
| 07:31.20 | gring0 | ? |
| 07:31.28 | directhex | <mdh> 3.1, 3.14, 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, etc |
| 07:31.30 | mdh | no, older conversation... got sidetracked |
| 07:31.35 | Guerin | ah, I see |
| 07:31.48 | Hyp3rion | mdh - you know checkrdf? |
| 07:31.52 | directhex | the obviosu solution is to make full use of unicode |
| 07:31.57 | Guerin | still on about pi, jessuss, mathematics geeks are all the same |
| 07:32.05 | directhex | i mean, don't just stop at adding letters like r or x |
| 07:32.07 | mdh | Hyp3rion: never heard of him |
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| 07:32.25 | Hyp3rion | mdh - heh not a person. check out http://checkrdf.sf.net |
| 07:32.30 | directhex | stick in random hebrew, japanese & escape characters into version numbers to make them last |
| 07:32.32 | Hyp3rion | mdh - you may win their contest |
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| 07:32.57 | Hyp3rion | mdh - its "send us the exact algorithm we use to generate our version numbers" |
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| 07:33.35 | sanxiyn | checkrdf's versioning scheme looks interesting. |
| 07:33.47 | Hyp3rion | sanxiyn - :-) |
| 07:34.02 | Hyp3rion | sanxiyn - converging to "TEH SOLUTION" |
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| 07:34.36 | chitiri | what news reader do you recomend ? |
| 07:34.39 | mdh | what I want to know is, when they reach "the solution" - what happens when they find a bug? |
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| 07:35.21 | sanxiyn | chitiri: I use straw. |
| 07:35.35 | mufa | is there any linux program similiar with norton ghost ? (other then dd) |
| 07:35.52 | hendry | par/j vim |
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| 07:36.19 | Hyp3rion | mdh - converging! |
| 07:36.26 | Hyp3rion | mdh - = they never reach it |
| 07:36.43 | Hyp3rion | mdh - like the hyperbolae you know... |
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| 07:36.56 | exterm | any one know where i can find a better sources list for apt-get ? |
| 07:37.01 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: you mean asypmtotical |
| 07:37.07 | sanxiyn | exterm: http://apt-get.org/ |
| 07:37.13 | exterm | thanx |
| 07:37.53 | mdh | Hyp3rion: I've seen this movie before. If I send them the answer, the NSA send assassins after me |
| 07:38.12 | Guerin | mdh: and if you kill the assassins, they offer you a job |
| 07:38.14 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - maybe... not native :-( i dunno |
| 07:38.34 | jm_ | mufa: there are several |
| 07:38.41 | mdh | only it was a crossword magazine, not a website |
| 07:38.48 | Hyp3rion | mdh - No? |
| 07:38.54 | mufa | jm_ then I don't know to use google |
| 07:39.02 | sanxiyn | When will Debian officially supports backports? |
| 07:39.12 | Hyp3rion | mdh - I know the people who write it so i cannot send answer but the prize is GREAT so...?! |
| 07:39.13 | Guerin | sanxiyn: never? |
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| 07:39.39 | mdh | sanxiyn: when my arse turns green and grows potatoes |
| 07:39.46 | sanxiyn | IMO testing is unusable. |
| 07:39.50 | directhex | that can be arranged, mdh |
| 07:39.52 | Guerin | sanxiyn: why? |
| 07:39.58 | Hyp3rion | sanxiyn - IYO! |
| 07:40.36 | directhex | !opinions |
| 07:40.36 | dpkg | opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public |
| 07:40.44 | sanxiyn | There is Stable(+backports), and Unstable. What does Testing offer over these two? |
| 07:40.51 | somiaj | sanxiyn: about right, pluss it takes long for things to get fixed, security patches and such than unstable (but by design most of the mission critical bugs are taken out) |
| 07:40.56 | directhex | someone else epxlain it to him :/ |
| 07:41.34 | Guerin | sanxiyn: it doesn't break badly and often> Woody + backports and sid can and do. |
| 07:41.42 | directhex | no? bleh. testing is the replacement stable. |
| 07:41.50 | somiaj | sanxiyn: sarge will stablelize sometime and there will be a more modern release, I belive the main issue right now is the social contract now explicity states that documation must also be free, and it might take a while to get all that sorted out and the non free documation filtered out and the new free documation added in. |
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| 07:42.36 | Guerin | somiaj: isn't there also an issue with non-free binary code in some drivers/modules? |
| 07:43.06 | xinming | anyone can tell me if there a channel which can discuss on HURD? :-) |
| 07:43.15 | directhex | #hurd ? |
| 07:43.16 | Guerin | xinming: #hurd |
| 07:43.34 | xinming | Guerin: Ok,thanks |
| 07:43.59 | sanxiyn | Python 2.4 is scheduled at September 2004. Will Sarge have Python 2.4 :-) |
| 07:44.10 | sanxiyn | (well, Python transition is painful.) |
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| 07:44.20 | Guerin | directhex: hah, less than a second ahead, and *I* get the thanks :P |
| 07:44.22 | zignig | sanxiyn: NO , not antoher python, need seperate libs _again_ |
| 07:44.24 | somiaj | Guerin: I thought most of that was delt with back in woody and its now in 'non-free', so its been split up.....there was an issue a while back with deciding weather to support non-free anymore or not though. |
| 07:44.39 | sanxiyn | zignig: But 2.4 is coming and it is a fact of life :-( |
| 07:44.57 | Guerin | somiaj: yeah, remember ... I was given the impression it was a big deal though. Still, fixed = good :) |
| 07:45.01 | directhex | so is chlamidia |
| 07:45.08 | directhex | that doesn't mean it's something you want personally |
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| 07:46.00 | zignig | directhex: and you know this from experience ? ;P |
| 07:46.02 | zog-vsl | anybody know if there is a sarge based install disk/ISO that does jfs from the start? |
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| 07:46.17 | Guerin | zog-vsl: not that I've heard of |
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| 07:46.35 | Guerin | zog-vsl: using the morphix tools it should be easy enough to make one though |
| 07:46.39 | somiaj | sanxiyn: for my friends who are somewhat new to linux but want a desktop enviorment that is newer than woody, I set the up with sarge on for the reason that it will stablize one day....but use sid personally....for a server I wouldn't use anything but stable though...(with a few backports if they were direly needed) |
| 07:47.00 | directhex | wonder when xorg or freedesktop are gonna appear in sid |
| 07:47.13 | sanxiyn | Well, I am using unstable+experimental+apt-get.org now. |
| 07:47.14 | Guerin | !xorg |
| 07:47.15 | dpkg | xorg is, like, an alternative X implementation (a fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from the X.Org Foundation - the current release is X11R6.7. It will not be packaged for Debian in its current form - the next change will be to the modular tree. |
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| 07:47.39 | zog-vsl | somiaj: i have been recently setting up some servers using sarge, it is OK |
| 07:47.39 | Guerin | directhex: xorg, at least, not until they've sorted their shit out |
| 07:47.39 | sanxiyn | (It breaks sometime.) |
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| 07:48.00 | Guerin | zog-vsl: not from a security perspective it ain't |
| 07:48.09 | somiaj | zog-vsl: it works, but you are now in chage of security updates and fixing security wholes, takes at least 10 days for sarge to get any security patch filtered down from sid |
| 07:48.15 | directhex | i have no doubts that it's a mess, but it'd be nice for some actual progress in x |
| 07:48.23 | zog-vsl | Guerin: yeah, i gotta keep an eye on those ones |
| 07:48.43 | Guerin | directhex: my hardware is so old that X 3 would do all I need of it - so I don't care :) |
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| 07:49.01 | Guerin | s/X/xfree/ |
| 07:49.09 | Guerin | you know what I mean |
| 07:49.14 | zog-vsl | Guerin: somiaj: hopefully when sarge becomes stable it will stop being an issue |
| 07:49.19 | somiaj | directhex: when it gets to a point where debian can conctrate on making the release work on all the arches they support cause just like they did with xfree, they'll probably have to port xorg to some arches themselves. |
| 07:49.21 | directhex | yeah yeah yeah |
| 07:49.36 | Guerin | zog-vsl: when it goes stable, it won't be an issue - but how far away is that? |
| 07:49.59 | arkane | xorg? is that another version of XFree86? |
| 07:50.13 | Guerin | arkane: read the factoid above |
| 07:50.35 | arkane | *sigh* 58% man i need a T3 to my house |
| 07:50.50 | netsplit | what ya downloadin'? |
| 07:51.00 | Guerin | arkane: :( - I have half a t3 in my house :) |
| 07:51.22 | exobyte | this is a dumb qustion, but what is the correct way to use an old config file in a new kernel? |
| 07:51.29 | zog-vsl | Guerin: yeah well it was a tradeoff between upgrading the machines remotely later or maintaining them now.. plus I need to use some stuff that was in testing |
| 07:51.30 | Guerin | exobyte: make oldconfig |
| 07:51.46 | exobyte | Guerin: but that has a bunch of options |
| 07:51.52 | Guerin | zog-vsl: that wasn't available in backports? |
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| 07:52.01 | jp- | exobyte: copy it into your new kernel source tree and run make oldconfig and it will only prompt you for new features that didn't exist previously. |
| 07:52.02 | gringo | a |
| 07:52.08 | gringo | a |
| 07:52.10 | Guerin | exobyte: it only asks you about things which aren't specified in the existing .config |
| 07:52.14 | somiaj | arkane: Xfree4.4 license breaks what is considered 'free softwear', so x.org is basically a fork of xfree, one of the pre 4.4 canidates before they put that new licens on it...I belive there are few linux distros that will acually use x4.4 cause of it. |
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| 07:52.29 | exobyte | jp-: Guerin: ah- cool |
| 07:52.43 | Guerin | exobyte: but I wouldn't try to make a 2.6 kernel from a 2.4 config - better to do it from scratch |
| 07:52.49 | somiaj | arkane: I know debian and gentoo won't use it, I don't think red hat will use it either. |
| 07:52.55 | directhex | bah, got my codec settings wrong. have to re-rip :/ |
| 07:53.06 | exobyte | Guerin: I'm doing 2.4.23 -> 2.4.26 |
| 07:53.09 | netsplit | I don't get why they don't change the license because who _will_ use it if the Linux distributions don't? |
| 07:53.12 | djw | X4.4 is really quite nice |
| 07:53.17 | jp- | exobyte: that should be fine |
| 07:53.20 | Guerin | exobyte: that'll be fine |
| 07:53.28 | djw | shame about the licence issues though |
| 07:53.32 | chitiri | sanxiyn: straw is an rss aggregator, I ask for an nntp news reader, can you recomend me one ? |
| 07:53.39 | directhex | there are other reasons that there was disquet about xfree |
| 07:53.56 | Guerin | chitiri: apt-cache search news |
| 07:53.57 | djw | they're just pointless pettyness that does nobody any good except the people who want to see free software die |
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| 07:54.01 | directhex | e.g. they were militantly rejecting all improvements from peopel they didn't like, such as the cygwin people |
| 07:54.25 | Guerin | djw: there are a few people in the free software community who think otherwise |
| 07:54.28 | lknyshov | Sounds like Slackware all over again.. Patrick got fed up with rejections |
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| 07:54.37 | arkane | who was? the guys a x.org or the guys at Xfree? |
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| 07:55.00 | Guerin | djw: the people who are now glad that X server development is back in the "open" - ie, not as closed a shop as dawes and the xfree foundation had it |
| 07:55.13 | exobyte | What whould I need to enable in the kernel to get what little 3d support a "Rage IIC AGP" offers |
| 07:55.16 | Guerin | !gothsmite Kel |
| 07:55.26 | Guerin | how d'ya like them apples, Kel? |
| 07:55.36 | Kel | I feel pretty. |
| 07:55.44 | djw | Guerin: for the long term it'll probably be for the best, since XFree86 seems to of been slowly dying of late |
| 07:55.45 | lknyshov | rage IIc,sounds like an Optiplex box :) |
| 07:55.48 | sanxiyn | Debian is X portability lab. What a mess. |
| 07:55.48 | sanxiyn | Python 1.5 and 2.0 is gone in unstable. But 2.1 is to stay until Jython moves, 2.2 until Zope moves. |
| 07:56.23 | Guerin | djw: I tend to think so. |
| 07:56.25 | exobyte | lknyshov: just a scrap part I found somewhere. I think I got it for free. /me wants more than 1 fps in tux racer |
| 07:56.41 | djw | Guerin: *nod* I just think it's a shame it had to come to this though |
| 07:56.55 | arkane | i am lost :( |
| 07:56.59 | directhex | hurrah for the ati rage series :/ |
| 07:57.04 | djw | arkane: why are you lost? |
| 07:57.05 | Guerin | djw: yeah, but a good --purge now and again is worthy |
| 07:57.13 | lknyshov | exobyte: well, rage IIC is an ati product, so I'd look into ATI 3d drivers. |
| 07:57.15 | arkane | who should i root for? the x.org guys or the XFree guys? |
| 07:57.37 | directhex | the xorg guys i think |
| 07:57.37 | exobyte | lknyshov: will that be x related, kernel related, or both? |
| 07:57.51 | netsplit | arkane: XFree, despite the name, is no longer free, so don't root for them ;) |
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| 07:57.57 | jp- | exobyte: is it an agp card? if so enable agp support. check dri.soureforge.net to see if your card is supported by their drivers also. |
| 07:57.58 | Guerin | arkane: depends. do you love free software and transparent development environments? |
| 07:58.01 | directhex | ati have no 3d accelerated drivers for cards older than the 8500, iirc |
| 07:58.04 | arkane | so the XFree guys where the ones rejecting aditions out of spite? |
| 07:58.12 | directhex | yep |
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| 07:58.14 | djw | has any OS actually shipped with X4.4 release? |
| 07:58.14 | lknyshov | exobyte: I can't answer that question due to lack of knowledge. Look up ATI 3d support :) |
| 07:58.15 | arkane | Guerin, i do |
| 07:58.20 | exobyte | jp-: I think it's agp. lspci says so |
| 07:58.20 | directhex | the gaim people do it too |
| 07:58.34 | somiaj | djw: I belive slackware might |
| 07:58.39 | Guerin | arkane: then anyone other than xfree should be for you |
| 07:58.42 | mdh | ati rage doesn't really do hardware-accellerated 3d anyway |
| 07:58.42 | directhex | "oh we can't accept that patch to fix a months old bug, erm... it's not the right color!" |
| 07:58.46 | hid3 | I need to manage my machine remotely via ssh by a script.. How can I make autologin for ssh from that machine so no password will be prompted? |
| 07:58.52 | somiaj | djw: and I think freebsd uses it as well |
| 07:58.53 | Guerin | directhex: heh, i've heard that too |
| 07:59.01 | jm_ | hide3;RSA authentication |
| 07:59.03 | lknyshov | well, no, rage2c was Dx5 compliant if I remember correctly |
| 07:59.07 | Guerin | arkane: but don't believe us, go research it yourself ... |
| 07:59.09 | netsplit | hid3: set up ssh keys. |
| 07:59.39 | fatal_ | hid3: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc.html |
| 07:59.39 | directhex | have a housemate who's sent in a bunch of fixes to gaim, they all get rejected for petty reasons, until one of their little clique writes another patch to do the same thing |
| 07:59.40 | Guerin | hid3: google: ssh unattended will get you some good hits |
| 07:59.44 | Guerin | hah |
| 07:59.49 | hid3 | thx |
| 07:59.53 | arkane | as soon as i have a working X enviroment i will... man this console only thing is driving me nuts |
| 07:59.58 | Guerin | we're just overflowing with goodness today |
| 08:00.12 | lknyshov | directhex: elitism is always a problem |
| 08:00.15 | directhex | he just gets the souce from cvs & fixes it himself for his own needs now, since the gaim people don't seem to like real free software |
| 08:00.38 | sanxiyn | I have Radeon 7500 here. No 3d driver AFAIK. |
| 08:00.38 | sanxiyn | Well, I don't care. |
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| 08:01.04 | netsplit | directhex: what are some of the petty reasons? |
| 08:01.06 | sanxiyn | directhex: Perhaps they are more "careful" now :-) |
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| 08:01.46 | djw | somiaj: looks like freebsd lastest release is using X4.3 |
| 08:01.49 | sanxiyn | directhex: Rejecting patches are not always bad. |
| 08:01.56 | blackish | can anyone help me with alsa? my onboard card is seen by alsaconf, the via82cxxx driver claims it, but alsactl restore says alsactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found... |
| 08:02.38 | arkane | so, if a person wanted to use X.org instead of XFree, is not feasible right now? |
| 08:02.53 | cmon | hi....I'd like to hear some user opinions: how stabe is unstable, or, are there many problems ? More problems with woody and too many backports ? :-) |
| 08:02.53 | sanxiyn | arkane: you can compile it yourself, of course :-) |
| 08:03.02 | directhex | yes blackish |
| 08:03.09 | djw | compiling X is always fun ;) |
| 08:03.12 | sanxiyn | cmon: unstable is quite stable. |
| 08:03.14 | directhex | chances are you have the oss modules loading as well as the alsa ones |
| 08:03.20 | directhex | do lsmod | grep snd |
| 08:03.24 | arkane | :/ i wouldnt know how to begin... |
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| 08:03.56 | blackish | yes, lost of snd modules, snd_pcm_oss too |
| 08:03.57 | cmon | sanxiyn: and what kinds of problems can occur ? |
| 08:04.01 | mdh | sanxiyn: ATI have binary-only 3d drivers for their radeons, plus I've heard that the free drivers on dri.sf.net or similar work good enough (and are more stable) |
| 08:04.18 | sanxiyn | mdh: oh, that's nice to hear! |
| 08:04.19 | somiaj | djw: yea, looks like slack is using x11-0.6.7 so xorg....I know I saw some release using it, can't rember what one though |
| 08:04.27 | blackish | directhex, #flood? |
| 08:04.47 | sanxiyn | cmon: all kinds of problems :-) |
| 08:04.54 | mdh | somiaj: fedora coredump 2 perhaps? |
| 08:04.56 | peterS | mdh: the latest xfree86 in unstable has a much-improved backported ATI driver |
| 08:05.01 | djw | somiaj: I know openbsd released with X4.4 RC2 but that's right before the licence change |
| 08:05.21 | peterS | mdh: I don't know if *all* radeons are supported with full 3D accel, but apparently some are |
| 08:05.24 | blackish | have a look in flood |
| 08:05.27 | cmon | sanxiyn: problems that a mid-experienced user can solve ? :-) |
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| 08:05.44 | arkane | ok, now i am lost... who where the ones changing their license? wasnt the evil ppl in XFree? |
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| 08:05.52 | sanxiyn | cmon: well, most of the time, nothing serious. wait enough, apt-get upgrade, and everything fine. or manually downloading one or two dpkg and install it. or fixing broken post install script, or... |
| 08:06.18 | mdh | peterS: cool. I was planning on getting a radeon, was happy to hear from my friend that his one works great with the free drivers (spent some time one weekend over the phone helping him get it working) |
| 08:06.28 | sanxiyn | cmon: Or you can upgrade when unstable is "stable" :-) Then nothing breaks. |
| 08:06.46 | arkane | i hope all i needed was to aptitude kde |
| 08:06.51 | mdh | he had RTCW capped at 120fps and was getting it, this wasn't with a high-end radeon either |
| 08:06.58 | cmon | sanxiyn: that would be too long.. |
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| 08:07.20 | mdh | personally, I'm happy with anything that'll do more than the 9-15 fps I get from my matrox G450 ;) |
| 08:07.32 | sanxiyn | cmon: Ah, I mean... if someone you know did an upgrade on unstable and it worked fine, then you can upgrade, like that. |
| 08:07.46 | mdh | although I wonder if it'll improve or cripple my chromium skills ;) |
| 08:07.50 | cmon | ok |
| 08:07.50 | sanxiyn | Most of the time, unstable is fine. |
| 08:08.09 | jp- | cmon: if you're worried about fixing problems, don't use unstable. simple as that ;p |
| 08:08.28 | sanxiyn | (Recent GNOME 2.6 upgrade broke some packages for a while, but it seems to be fine now. Like that.) |
| 08:08.37 | lknyshov | advanced user - unstable, production environment - stable, new user or corporate desktops - stable. |
| 08:08.38 | directhex | it's almost fine. |
| 08:08.53 | cmon | sanxiyn: thanks..I' leaving now...bye |
| 08:09.01 | directhex | cupsys2 is still broken |
| 08:09.33 | sanxiyn | well, it's better than broken gnome-setting-daemon :-) |
| 08:09.38 | arkane | i have to disagree, stable is not for new users.... if they have new hardware like me.. it will generate enourmous amount of headaches.... |
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| 08:10.39 | sanxiyn | arkane: but someday, Sarge will be named "stable"... |
| 08:10.53 | jp- | someday is not today though. |
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| 08:10.55 | arkane | someday... just not right now |
| 08:11.14 | xinming | arkane: sooner or later.:-) |
| 08:11.31 | lknyshov | arkane: well, most new users who have advanced hardware like yours are not really new users per se |
| 08:11.36 | sanxiyn | Anyone running popularity-contest here? |
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| 08:12.09 | lknyshov | Seriously, the only things that break are video cards and I/O controllers at this point, right? |
| 08:12.13 | ruschi | is this thhe right channel to ask strange debian-unstable font problems? |
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| 08:12.18 | sanxiyn | I got bounced mails from popcon.debian.org... Is this normal? |
| 08:12.26 | directhex | and some network stuff too |
| 08:12.26 | sanxiyn | ruschi: why not. |
| 08:12.35 | directhex | woody won't install on my 2 year old p4 system |
| 08:13.00 | lknyshov | directhex: what is the reason for failure? |
| 08:13.06 | directhex | the eepro100 driver doesn't like the network chip |
| 08:13.09 | arkane | *sigh* the linux world is in a sorry state, you either get fench bundles ( a miasm of packages and un-standarization ), pay-for distros ( Redhat, SuSE, Linspire ), or true Free Software ( Debian, Slackware) that is hard to set up |
| 08:13.18 | jp- | woody installs fine on my 2 year old p4 system |
| 08:13.30 | sanxiyn | arkane: Debian is easy to set up. |
| 08:13.36 | sanxiyn | arkane: With appropriate hardwares. |
| 08:13.40 | directhex | e100 is fine, from later kernels, but 2.2.20 doesn't like it |
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| 08:13.49 | ruschi | I can't use a displaymanager like KDM or GDM, they mess up the fonts in my KDE session completely. all fonts are really tiny in konsole the letters are wider than high. |
| 08:14.02 | lknyshov | directhex: use a supported PCI card perhaps? :) |
| 08:14.14 | ruschi | but if I start the session with XDM or just form a TTY with startx everything is fine |
| 08:14.25 | lknyshov | directhex: ah, so a backport would solve the problem? |
| 08:14.26 | directhex | yeah, great, getting ahold of exta inferior ahrdware so i can run an obsolete version... |
| 08:14.34 | sanxiyn | arkane: For example, I got Debian installed on my Compaq Presario 2800 laptop without any problems. |
| 08:14.54 | ruschi | where are thos settings for default font behaviour? |
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| 08:15.12 | lknyshov | This discussion is really what HCL for Windows used to be... |
| 08:15.21 | fatal_ | Hmm... "which" being removed from testing?... is http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/accepted.html smoking crack or what? |
| 08:15.27 | ruschi | I already did a dpkg-reconfigure for the fonts and enabeld bitmapped ones |
| 08:15.45 | ruschi | Has anyone the same problem? |
| 08:15.59 | arkane | well, dont get me wrong, i really like Debian filosophy but i believe that denying the truth is going to get nowhere... i dont understand why Knoppix/Linspire can detect and install correctly the devices on my system ( and only use 1 cd for that ) and if i want to use the real debian, is all a mess |
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| 08:16.19 | mdh | fatal_: its a shell builtin in most shells now |
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| 08:16.23 | Apsinorej | hello |
| 08:16.28 | ruschi | hi |
| 08:16.28 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 08:16.30 | fatal_ | mdh: ah, ok... |
| 08:16.38 | directhex | well sarge is pretty good on the hardware detection front |
| 08:16.45 | Apsinorej | anybody like progressive house music ? |
| 08:16.54 | ruschi | no |
| 08:17.00 | Apsinorej | :( |
| 08:17.02 | mdh | Apsinorej: no, I'm more like classical |
| 08:17.02 | arkane | i am running sarge beta 4 current - testing |
| 08:17.03 | directhex | i like fluffy bunnies |
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| 08:17.08 | sanxiyn | arkane: Knoppix detections are being merged back. Wait enough and it will get better. |
| 08:17.12 | Apsinorej | aa |
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| 08:17.22 | mickeyks | ls -C --color=always | less -r |
| 08:17.27 | mickeyks | shit |
| 08:17.29 | Apsinorej | byt yuo can listening it for free |
| 08:17.39 | ruschi | Who is running kde 3.2.2 on a debian unstable? |
| 08:17.42 | sussudio | !tell directhex about bunnies |
| 08:17.46 | arkane | but still is a mess to setup everything... what the comunity need is a strong tool like Yast or something like that that will hold the newbie hand while installing the Distro |
| 08:17.49 | mickeyks | er, i put this in .bashrc and it's not forcing columns: ls -C --color=always | less -r |
| 08:18.09 | fatal_ | arkane: I guess whining is going to get nowhere eighter.... so eighter put up or shut up? ... People are doing their best, if thats not good enough for you then do it better yourself (or use something else)! ... :] |
| 08:18.23 | jp- | mickeyks: do you have your .bash_profile sourceing .bashrc ? |
| 08:18.25 | mdh | kde doesn't run... it crawls |
| 08:18.31 | sanxiyn | ruschi: I ran KDE 3.2 before, but not now. |
| 08:18.32 | lknyshov | yast is open-source now. Use it ;-) |
| 08:18.44 | arkane | and it does not have to include installign aplications.. just install apt-get, debian-base, the right network card, the right Video Driver, configure X properly, and leave the rest to the user to lear slowly |
| 08:18.58 | Apsinorej | anybody thant listenin it ? |
| 08:19.11 | directhex | every heard of progeny componentized linux? |
| 08:19.14 | sanxiyn | arkane: With *usual* hardwares, Sarge installer beta 4 does exactly that. |
| 08:19.17 | ruschi | sanxiyn: did you have font problems as well? |
| 08:19.22 | sanxiyn | ruschi: no. |
| 08:19.22 | directhex | it's mostly debian, iusing the nice friendly deadrat9 installer |
| 08:19.26 | lknyshov | Apsinorej: I am fine listening either to my Sirius sat radio or di.fm |
| 08:19.27 | mdh | arkane: like debian-installer? |
| 08:19.33 | mickeyks | jp-: um, i had my whole .bash_profile commented out, i thought that meant .bashrc would be used instead |
| 08:19.36 | Apsinorej | a |
| 08:19.37 | Apsinorej | http://ladyda.tusas.lt/ |
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| 08:19.46 | directhex | it sorta segfaults if you click anything other than "next", but that might be closer to what you're thinking about |
| 08:19.46 | Apsinorej | it is here |
| 08:19.49 | jp- | mickeyks: commented out? |
| 08:19.53 | jm_ | mickeyks: man bash ; /msg dpkg bashrc |
| 08:20.00 | arkane | sanxyn i am sorry to disagree, but like i said, i just installed with sarge beta 4 and no it didnt install right... |
| 08:20.08 | mickeyks | jp-: well, it does have "umask 022" in it |
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| 08:20.16 | ruschi | can someone tell me in which config-file I can find font stuff for KDE |
| 08:20.16 | jp- | mickeyks: .bashrc is run for non interactive shells, .bash_profile is run for login shells, you can source your .bashrc from .bash_profile |
| 08:20.21 | sanxiyn | arkane: perhaps you are unlucky... |
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| 08:20.41 | sanxiyn | arkane: some hardwares may be poorly supported. get over it. *most* hardwares are very well supported. |
| 08:20.41 | arkane | sanxiyn perhaps |
| 08:20.44 | BugS | gi |
| 08:20.55 | starwarsandrisk | hi.... is there a page that shows all of the supported cd-rom drives... it doesn't want to recognise my drive when i boot |
| 08:21.14 | mickeyks | jp-: oh...i get it. ok...although, the color thing is working, just not the columns. but i'll source the .bashrc and see what happens |
| 08:21.26 | sanxiyn | arkane: ok, you can use Knoppix to install Debian. :-) |
| 08:21.27 | jm_ | starwarsandrisk: is it more than 10 years old ? |
| 08:21.28 | mdh | arkane: why should the default debian installer screw around with network cards, video cards, and x11 if you don't have/want them? |
| 08:21.28 | arkane | look, i could understand that if my hardware wastn recognized by any distro, but i only have problem setting up with debian |
| 08:21.40 | sanxiyn | arkane: until Debian get all tricks merged. |
| 08:21.48 | mdh | !pebcak |
| 08:21.48 | dpkg | pebcak is, like, Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard |
| 08:21.49 | ruschi | ok, then I will stick to my old method of starting X11 with startx form a TTY |
| 08:21.56 | ruschi | thanks anyway |
| 08:22.00 | sanxiyn | mdh: It should not, but it should provide an easy way to do them, too. |
| 08:22.10 | jm_ | ruschi: #kde or #debian-kde ... |
| 08:22.32 | starwarsandrisk | @jm uh... no... it was manufactured in 1997 its the goldstar crd-8160b |
| 08:22.37 | ruschi | ok thanks, I try my luck there |
| 08:22.41 | jm_ | starwarsandrisk: then it should be recognized fine |
| 08:22.54 | dobber | hi, i'm useing debian (sid) and from one week my evolution is broken. i update dayly and it shows dependencies problem |
| 08:22.56 | dobber | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.56 | dobber | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:23.07 | arkane | right now for instance, there is no way that a newbie could choose NOT to install a dm, they have to acept it and then remove it, and then figure out how to fix the configuration files to be able to use startx from the console |
| 08:23.07 | mickeyks | jp-: do i have to restart x to have that change go into effect, or is there a quicker way? |
| 08:23.08 | dobber | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.10 | dobber | what can be done ? |
| 08:23.12 | dobber | anyone have the same problem? |
| 08:23.13 | sanxiyn | fatal_: "which" is merged to "debianutils". |
| 08:23.25 | mickeyks | arkane: yeah that's what i did |
| 08:23.31 | mickeyks | what a pain |
| 08:23.34 | sanxiyn | dobber: wait enough and it will be fine :-) |
| 08:23.37 | starwarsandrisk | crap.... well.... when i go to boot the install cd..... it gets goin and booting till it says that it can't find my drive..... |
| 08:23.49 | jp- | mickeyks: no, any shell you run as a login shell from X should work |
| 08:23.54 | dobber | sanxiyn: i need my mail for work, all the time |
| 08:24.07 | mickeyks | jp-: yeah, same situation. i get the colors but not the columns |
| 08:24.08 | jm_ | that might be referring to your hard disk |
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| 08:24.15 | sanxiyn | dobber: Don't upgrade, then. |
| 08:24.23 | arkane | 43 minutes until i can try and see if X installed right |
| 08:24.25 | sanxiyn | dobber: GNOME 2.6 transition, strange times. |
| 08:24.27 | jp- | mickeyks: what _exactly_ did you put in your bashrc file that isn't working |
| 08:24.31 | fatal_ | sanxiyn: ok, seemed like there was alot of packages being removed.... looked like a killing spree.. but I guess there's nothing wrong about all those packages being removed then... ;) |
| 08:24.37 | dobber | 1-2 days delay is ok, but it's over a week now |
| 08:24.56 | floppyears | can somebody help me how to set up php in debian. |
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| 08:24.59 | BugS | will xlibs_4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 fix the gnome-settings daemon? |
| 08:25.07 | debian | !tell floppyyears about ask |
| 08:25.14 | sanxiyn | BugS: perhaps. |
| 08:25.14 | floppyears | please |
| 08:25.19 | floppyears | please |
| 08:25.23 | directhex | along with all of the latest x release, yes |
| 08:25.31 | mickeyks | jp-: alias ls=ls -C --color=always | less -r |
| 08:25.36 | somiaj | sanxiyn: haven't noticed it...(:, *doesn't use gnome* |
| 08:25.40 | starwarsandrisk | @jm..... how would i go about clearing my disk then?.... |
| 08:25.41 | lknyshov | floppyears: www.php.net has an excellent manual. |
| 08:25.43 | dobber | i'm switching to kmail than |
| 08:25.47 | BugS | ok.. another thing: is X.org going into debian? |
| 08:25.48 | jp- | mickeyks: that's not correct, use quotes |
| 08:25.55 | debian | !tell floppyyears -about repeat |
| 08:25.57 | jp- | otherwise you just have alias ls=ls |
| 08:26.04 | jm_ | starwarsandrisk: first of all, switch to second console and run dmesg there, and check if it detected your disk(s) |
| 08:26.05 | floppyears | lknyshov: thanks for the linky |
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| 08:26.29 | somiaj | BugS: yes, though it may take a while, X always takes a while to get into debian has debian ports it to varrious arches |
| 08:26.33 | sanxiyn | !tell sanxiyn about xorg |
| 08:26.39 | fatal_ | BugS: AFAIK: not for sarge... and it seems like the x strike force is aiming at going for freedesktop.org's X for sarge+1 ... |
| 08:26.48 | starwarsandrisk | hmm.... switch console.... i'm a real linux virgin here..... |
| 08:26.50 | sanxiyn | !tell BugS about xorg |
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| 08:26.57 | sphere | hi |
| 08:27.10 | floppyears | lknyshov: so is there a debian way of doing it. |
| 08:27.12 | sphere | is it possible to set a more or less customizable header line with fetchmail |
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| 08:27.22 | mdh | fatal_: its not like they have much choice |
| 08:27.24 | mickeyks | jp-: sorry, i typed it wrong in the channel, but i am using quotes: alias ls='ls -C --color=always | less -r' |
| 08:27.45 | jp- | mickeyks: type 'alias' and see if it's set |
| 08:27.48 | sanxiyn | Why --color=always? |
| 08:28.01 | mdh | xdawes86 isn't possible |
| 08:28.03 | jp- | mickeyks: it may be set somewhere else too. liket /etc/profile |
| 08:28.08 | jp- | *like |
| 08:28.20 | mickeyks | jp-: i got it. i had accidentally uncommented a related line in .bashrc :) |
| 08:28.25 | sanxiyn | ah. I got it... |
| 08:29.14 | lknyshov | floppyears: apt-cache search php probably |
| 08:29.49 | fatal_ | mdh: not that I understand much of the discussion, but freedesktop.org seems like a good change.... although a bit big (meaning, short term, that we'll probably see alot of problems with it until it works smoothly)... but I'm for everything that will improve debian in the long run.. :) |
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| 08:30.21 | sanxiyn | floppyears: apt-get install php4 and edit httpd.conf or whatever your web server config file happend to be. |
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| 08:31.14 | jm_ | starwarsandrisk: I can't DCC |
| 08:31.20 | starwarsandrisk | bummer.... |
| 08:31.22 | sanxiyn | I think it is fine to have multiple xserver packages in Debian. Why not? |
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| 08:31.39 | floppyears | lknyshov: I already have it installed I just need to get it working |
| 08:32.07 | floppyears | sanxiyn: I already have php4 and php3 installed and I also have apache working, I just want to get php working too. |
| 08:32.31 | sanxiyn | floppyears: Did you enable php in httpd.conf? |
| 08:32.38 | starwarsandrisk | okay.... i think i just need a lil jump start..... how do i switch consoles?.... i havn't got it installed yet.... i just booted for the first time.... and i get an isolinux issue... its sayin.... failed to locate cd-rom device: bot failed |
| 08:32.54 | jp- | floppyears: you enable apache in your httpd.conf and you probably want to add in an option to match *.php files (i forget the section, search for 'index.html' with your text editor) |
| 08:33.09 | jp- | s/apache/php/ |
| 08:33.14 | mickeyks | jp- in an experiment, i re-commented .bash_profile to see if it would have an effect. i lost the columns, so i restored .bash_profile but now i'm no longer getting the columns :/ |
| 08:33.19 | lknyshov | floppyears: define "get it working" I happen to know PHP quite well |
| 08:33.48 | jm_ | starwarsandrisk: alt-f2, alt-f1 to get back |
| 08:33.55 | jp- | mickeyks: did you uncomment the stuff to source .bashrc in your .bash_profile or add it in yourself? |
| 08:34.07 | sanxiyn | I define "working PHP" as something can show "<?phpinfo();?>". How about that definition. |
| 08:34.21 | floppyears | lknyshov: I want to get phpMP working, but when I try to open any php files that are in my public_html folder the browser just wants to save them, they don't get displayed at all. |
| 08:34.26 | mickeyks | jp-: i uncommented it. otherwise i haven't touched it |
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| 08:34.43 | jp- | mickeyks: did you type alias and see if it's even set? |
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| 08:35.11 | Apsinorej | http://ladyda.tusas.lt/ |
| 08:35.13 | lknyshov | floppyears: that means that your server is not processing php. this question is well-addressed at www.php.net manual and has nothing to do with debian :) |
| 08:35.14 | mickeyks | jp-: yes, it's set |
| 08:35.21 | fatal_ | floppyears: AddHandler in your apache config. |
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| 08:35.44 | sanxiyn | floppyears: ah, yes. |
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| 08:35.56 | floppyears | lknyshov: ok, I am just a newbie, when it comes to web servers. |
| 08:35.57 | bedboi | hi there |
| 08:36.03 | jp- | mickeyks: is there more than one ls alias set? |
| 08:36.14 | sanxiyn | floppyears: All instructions to get PHP working on Debian is described extremely detailed at /usr/share/doc/php4. |
| 08:36.16 | mickeyks | jp- nope |
| 08:36.21 | sanxiyn | floppyears: how about that. |
| 08:36.21 | bedboi | i want to clean my /var/cache/apt/archives directory mantaining only installed packages. i can i do this? |
| 08:36.28 | Caveman- | anyone know when debian testing is going to start to use something else from xfree ? |
| 08:36.29 | mickeyks | alias ls='ls -C --color=always | less -r' |
| 08:36.31 | jp- | mickeyks: well i don't have any idea why it wouldn't be working if it's set |
| 08:36.35 | lknyshov | there are two basic ways to make PHP work. One is as a CGI module, the other is as mod_php apache module. Please don't ask us to retype _extensive_ documentation for you :) |
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| 08:36.46 | fatal_ | bedboi: apt-get autoclean ? |
| 08:36.52 | jp- | mickeyks: and i'm not sure what you mean by comment out .bash_profile either, where did you do this at? |
| 08:36.56 | starwarsandrisk | @jm..... it didn't do anything.... |
| 08:37.17 | jm_ | starwarsandrisk: it didn't give you a prompt ? |
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| 08:37.23 | bedboi | fatal_: thnx |
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| 08:37.39 | mickeyks | jp-: every line of my .bash_profile was commented out to start with, except "umask 022" |
| 08:38.02 | mickeyks | jp-: it even had a line that said "the rest of this file is commented out" |
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| 08:38.47 | Apsinorej | hmmmm |
| 08:38.49 | floppyears | sanxiyn: thanks for the tip. |
| 08:38.49 | Apsinorej | so |
| 08:38.51 | Apsinorej | http://ladyda.tusas.lt/ |
| 08:38.57 | starwarsandrisk | nope... no prompt yet.... i got a blank disk.... then i put in my debian cd.... and i immediately got "isolinux 1.67/devian-cd 2002-5-14 isolinux: loading spec packet failed, trying to wing it, isolinus: failed to locate cd-rom device; boot failed" |
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| 08:39.19 | starwarsandrisk | gots no prompt.... |
| 08:39.29 | jm_ | starwarsandrisk: ahh that often happens with old hardware |
| 08:39.35 | jm_ | starwarsandrisk: try using SBM to boot from the CD |
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| 08:40.08 | starwarsandrisk | sbm?... yeah i'm using an old pentium 1 |
| 08:40.19 | jm_ | Smart Boot Manager |
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| 08:40.36 | starwarsandrisk | lol.... i'll have to look up what smart boot manager is |
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| 08:41.36 | jm_ | it's a boot manager, you can put it on a floopy, boot from a floppy and then it will give you a menu from where you can tell it to boot from a CD |
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| 08:41.58 | starwarsandrisk | nice.... i think i found the website i think |
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| 08:43.43 | Quibus | hi all |
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| 08:44.01 | Quibus | Is it safe now to install 2.6.6 kernel images? :) |
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| 08:44.50 | herbi | hi guys |
| 08:45.19 | xinming | anyone can tell me if I can install gas in Debian? |
| 08:45.35 | sanxiyn | Quibus: I run 2.6.6 now. |
| 08:45.38 | xinming | Why I got the error message that says gas has no candidate |
| 08:45.51 | Quibus | sanxiyn: does 2.6 have built in lm-sensors drivers? |
| 08:46.00 | sanxiyn | Quibus: no idea. |
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| 08:46.19 | sanxiyn | xinming: you mean, GNU assembler? |
| 08:46.22 | somiaj | xinming: apt-cache search gas |
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| 08:46.46 | xinming | somiaj: no gas. |
| 08:46.55 | xinming | sanxiyn: yeap |
| 08:47.02 | sanxiyn | xinming: it's in binutils. |
| 08:47.04 | jake_ | how do u start your services |
| 08:47.06 | somiaj | Quibus: it has the i2c modules included in it that lm-sensors will then read off of. |
| 08:47.10 | sanxiyn | xinming: most likely you already have it. |
| 08:47.30 | Orlino | I just got a "Oversize Ethernet frame and Oversized Ethernet frame spanned multiple buffers" fixed it by reseting the switch/hub, could anyone offer an explanation |
| 08:48.02 | xinming | sanxiyn: But there is no command which I can execute. |
| 08:48.03 | sanxiyn | xinming: apt-get install binutils. It is named "as" and symlinked to "gas" in binutils internal directory. |
| 08:48.11 | sanxiyn | xinming: which as. |
| 08:48.24 | Quibus | somiaj: OK... for 2.4.x you need to install them separately: lm-sensors-2.4.26-1-k7 and i2c-2.4.25-1-k7 |
| 08:48.26 | xinming | sanxiyn: Ok,thanks,I got it. |
| 08:48.32 | xinming | sanxiyn: I know now. |
| 08:48.46 | somiaj | Quibus: I belve so, never messed with lm-sensors and 2.4 kernels |
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| 08:50.07 | directhex | the i2c stuff is in 2.6, you still need to apt-get install lm-sensors |
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| 08:50.28 | jake_ | can anyone offer an explanation why my service can not start when i start my computer |
| 08:50.28 | Quibus | directhex: but not the lm-sensors{KERNELVER} right? |
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| 08:50.42 | directhex | just worked for me |
| 08:50.44 | directhex | well |
| 08:50.49 | directhex | had to run a config script as root first time |
| 08:51.03 | directhex | sensors-detect |
| 08:51.05 | sanxiyn | Heh, Longhorn has sidebar. |
| 08:51.06 | somiaj | Quibus: you'll need lm-sensors with the lm-sensors-kerversion anyways |
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| 08:51.16 | sanxiyn | Will it be as powerful as gDesklets. |
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| 08:51.35 | Quibus | somiaj: but there is no lm-sensors-2.6.6-k7 :/ |
| 08:51.45 | G_A_V | anyone know how to get the cdrom to automount when a cd is inserted, and autoumount when the eject button is pressed ? |
| 08:51.48 | directhex | under 2.6 just type apt-get install lm-sensors |
| 08:52.03 | directhex | and run sensors-detect as root, once |
| 08:52.35 | somiaj | Quibus: because the 2.6 kernels contain all the i2c modules |
| 08:52.41 | directhex | then anyone can use "sensors" for console output, or you can install something like xsensors or ksensors |
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| 08:53.08 | Quibus | somiaj: there are both lm-sensors{KERNELVER} and i2c-{KERNELVER} modules for 2.4 |
| 08:53.31 | Quibus | directhex: yeah, I got it running in 2.4 |
| 08:53.39 | jake_ | can anyone offer an explanation why my service can not start when i start my computer |
| 08:54.38 | sanxiyn | jake_: which service |
| 08:55.03 | somiaj | jake_: what do you mean can't start...does it try to start at least? |
| 08:55.10 | Quibus | I was just wondering if everything would still work when I migrate to 2.6, since there are no particular packages for 2.6 regarding i2c (explained now) or lm-sensosr |
| 08:55.38 | elwood | Quibus, yes |
| 08:55.48 | directhex | sensors version 2.8.6 |
| 08:55.48 | peterS | Quibus: well, the kernel module package isn't needed in 2.6 |
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| 08:56.00 | somiaj | Quibus: those two packages combined contain all the modules you'll need to use for the lm-sensors, since they are included in 2.6 kernel you don't need it. |
| 08:56.03 | peterS | Quibus: presumably the userspace tools will continue to work - I haven't heard that they don't, anyway |
| 08:56.04 | elwood | it's implemented if i remember well |
| 08:56.15 | directhex | http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~jms501/desktopscreen-1.png |
| 08:56.19 | directhex | they do |
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| 08:57.50 | sanxiyn | directhex: xfce, I like that. |
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| 09:00.19 | Quibus | OK, thank you folks |
| 09:00.34 | directhex | at university we have a student-run server which students can source on their logins, to provide hundreds of apps not on the default lab machines. extra window managers included. xfce4 was the last one i tried on the list, and the one i liked most |
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| 09:01.31 | Quibus | Anything else I need to know about when migrating to 2.6? Any known problems compared to 2.4? |
| 09:01.39 | Hyp3rion | !hi |
| 09:01.39 | dpkg | hello, hyp3rion |
| 09:01.47 | peterS | Quibus: if you use LVM, you'll have to install lvm2 |
| 09:02.00 | Quibus | peterS: OK, I don't use it, AFAIK :) |
| 09:02.11 | peterS | Quibus: right, you don't. if you used it, you would know (: |
| 09:02.17 | sanxiyn | Quibus: there can be any number of problems :-( |
| 09:02.18 | somiaj | Quibus: depending on your understanding of how kernels work, just be prepared for a few snags....and make sure you have module-init-tools installed |
| 09:02.36 | Quibus | I know a bit how they work |
| 09:02.44 | Quibus | module-init-tools? |
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| 09:02.55 | Quibus | it's not a dependency on the 2.6.6. kernel images? |
| 09:02.59 | directhex | if you apt-get a kernel image, it properly listed as a prerequisite |
| 09:03.10 | somiaj | Quibus: needed to load/unload modules with 2.6 kernels |
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| 09:03.33 | peterS | Quibus: just make sure you have it, 'kay? |
| 09:03.48 | Quibus | or else: kernel panic! :) |
| 09:03.51 | jm_ | somiaj: unload ? good luck with that |
| 09:04.01 | directhex | kernel more than panics, it rolls on the floor twitching |
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| 09:04.20 | directhex | unloading is fine if you're lucky |
| 09:04.24 | Quibus | OK, I have it already installed |
| 09:04.37 | somiaj | jm_: rmmod works well on the few things I like use it on...rm pcspkr is usually what I need to do..(: |
| 09:04.49 | Quibus | now I need to check on my gfx driver |
| 09:05.07 | jm_ | somiaj: what does pcspkr do - /dev/dsp interface to PC speaker or what ? |
| 09:05.11 | directhex | ah. kernel-headers-2.6.6 and kernel-source-2.6.6 time for you |
| 09:05.17 | peterS | Quibus: your graphics driver should not be affected - unless you're running a non-free 3D driver with a kernel component, like fglrx or nvidia |
| 09:05.32 | peterS | jm_: no, it lets the computer beep when you print ^G |
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| 09:05.41 | peterS | jm_: if you don't load it, you get no beeps at all |
| 09:05.42 | jm_ | peterS: ahh the regular support for PC speaker |
| 09:05.45 | somiaj | jm_: in 2.6 kernels its the module that controls the pc speaker, that thing that only 'beeps', and sometimes beeps to much in bash! |
| 09:05.50 | Quibus | peterS: I'm running Daenzer's packages for my Radeon |
| 09:05.58 | peterS | jm_: yep. in 2.4 this was built in, in 2.6 it can be modularised |
| 09:06.13 | directhex | hey cool! it beeps! |
| 09:06.14 | jm_ | I wish Linux had this option back then so I didn't have to install a switch to turn it off |
| 09:06.27 | jm_ | somiaj: bash is easy to silence |
| 09:06.36 | directhex | and it loads & unloads effortlessly |
| 09:06.43 | floppyears | sanxiyn: hey, I tried the links that you gave me. |
| 09:06.44 | somiaj | jm_: yea, set bell volume 0 in the .inputrc file...(: |
| 09:07.02 | floppyears | I added the php_module, php3_module, php4_module |
| 09:07.03 | G_A_V | i cant workout how to automount cds, can anyone help |
| 09:07.10 | floppyears | using apache-modconf, |
| 09:07.15 | Quibus | I guess I just need to rebuild the kernel module for 2.6 |
| 09:07.15 | floppyears | I also restarted apache, but no luck. |
| 09:07.17 | somiaj | jm_: but after sshing around to a few computers I find it better just to rm the pcspkr module and not deal with it on each machine I work on. |
| 09:07.19 | jake_ | somiaj:I can only start the service after the system has booted |
| 09:07.28 | peterS | Quibus: well, either way - the only thing to worry about is if your driver includes a custom kernel component. since 2.6 comes with a kernel DRI driver for radeon, I don't think your special edition is needed |
| 09:07.32 | krystal2 | hi. How to mount a freebsd slice on a debian box ? |
| 09:07.48 | peterS | krystal2: it should show up as a partition - see /proc/partitions |
| 09:07.48 | sanxiyn | floppyears: well, it worked for me, no idea :-( |
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| 09:08.00 | somiaj | jake_: does the service try to start....if its not trying to start, man update-rc.d to see how to add the apropriate links and check out /etc/init.d/skeleton if you need to make a startup script for it. |
| 09:08.05 | peterS | krystal2: if it does not, your kernel wasn't compiled with bsd slice support, so you'll have to recompile |
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| 09:08.20 | jake_ | somiaj:what i want is that when i boot my computer the service can start |
| 09:08.21 | jm_ | somiaj: ahh I use setterm or xset to fix that |
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| 09:08.45 | floppyears | sanxiyn: can you tell me what did you specifically did? |
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| 09:09.09 | krystal2 | peterS: yes, i see it but what is the type, in mount -t xxxx /dev/... |
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| 09:09.31 | Linuks | how my X server problem repear? error message: (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/psaux No such device. |
| 09:09.44 | jake_ | somiaj:the service can start but they can not start when the system boots up |
| 09:09.45 | peterS | krystal2: ah, good question, since a freebsd slice will usually have a freebsd filesystem on it |
| 09:10.37 | krystal2 | peterS: yes. So is it still possible to mount it ? |
| 09:10.40 | peterS | krystal2: the filesystem is called 'ufs' and I *think* it's still in a state where you can only use it read-only |
| 09:10.53 | somiaj | jake_: why can't it start, you aren't giving us much info besides it can't start...what service is it, why can't it start, as in does it try to start, does it have an error..... |
| 09:11.44 | somiaj | Linuks: do you have psmouse and mousedev modules loaded? |
| 09:11.56 | directhex | Linuks, how is your mouse plugged in? |
| 09:12.23 | jake_ | somiaj:the service are samba ssh bind9 apache and mysql |
| 09:12.31 | peterS | somiaj: hey, that was my job (: |
| 09:12.41 | krystal2 | peterS: sad... i needed to write it :/ |
| 09:12.44 | Linuks | somiaj: how psmouse and mousedev modules loaded? |
| 09:12.50 | floppyears | can somebody please help me get php working on debian, please |
| 09:12.59 | peterS | Linuks: you have to load those two modules if you want to use a PS/2 mouse on kernel 2.6 |
| 09:13.10 | Linuks | peterS: yes |
| 09:13.10 | krystal2 | peterS: and do you know if it's possible to do the reverse : mount a linux partition on a freebsd box ? and how ? |
| 09:13.13 | somiaj | Linuks: lsmod, do you see them there, if not modprobe psmouse mousedev, asl add those to /etc/modules so they get loaded next reboot |
| 09:13.32 | peterS | krystal2: yes, freebsd supports ext2. I don't have any idea if it supports other Linux filesystems, of which there are quite a few |
| 09:13.47 | somiaj | peterS: hmmm....I best leave this to you since your the mouse expert...(^: |
| 09:13.49 | Linuks | somiaj: thx. |
| 09:13.53 | peterS | somiaj: you mean, cp /etc/modules /etc/modules-2.6; then add them to modules-2.6 |
| 09:14.00 | peterS | somiaj: so as not to try and load them when he boots a 2.4 kernel |
| 09:14.11 | krystal2 | peterS: i have ext3, since they are nearly the same, do you think it could work |
| 09:14.15 | krystal2 | ? |
| 09:14.20 | peterS | krystal2: most likely. but I am not a freebsd user |
| 09:14.46 | krystal2 | peterS: thanks a lot peters |
| 09:14.52 | peterS | np |
| 09:15.14 | somiaj | peterS: hmm I didn't know there was an /etc/modules-2.6, that is news to me, /etc/modules worked fine for my uses. |
| 09:15.22 | lknyshov | krystal2: just try not to write from fbsd unless you have a good backup |
| 09:15.32 | somiaj | Linuks: take note of peterS's comment about /etc/modules-2.6 |
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| 09:15.37 | peterS | somiaj: it *does* work fine. but if modules-2.6 exists, it is used in preference to /etc/modules for 2.6 kernels |
| 09:15.55 | peterS | somiaj: this lets you separate stuff like 'psmouse' and 'mousedev' which you only need on 2.6 kernels |
| 09:16.09 | peterS | somiaj: naturally there is also /etc/modules-$(uname -r) so you can get even more specific if you really need to |
| 09:16.22 | krystal2 | lknyshov: hu ? i need to transfert from partition to partition between the 2 system. So how to do ? |
| 09:16.50 | somiaj | peterS: I see, nice, just never messed with that...still using modules is a new thing to me, I was alwas of the school of compile in what ya need... |
| 09:16.57 | peterS | krystal2: if you need to transfer ext2 -> ufs, do it in freebsd |
| 09:17.02 | peterS | krystal2: if ufs -> ext2, do it in Linux |
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| 09:17.22 | peterS | krystal2: apparently neither OS is very good at writing partitions in the format of the other OS |
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| 09:17.31 | Orlino | I just got a "Oversize Ethernet frame and Oversized Ethernet frame spanned multiple buffers" fixed it by reseting the switch/hub, could anyone offer an explanation |
| 09:17.33 | krystal2 | peterS: ok thnx. |
| 09:17.48 | peterS | Orlino: gigabit ethernet? |
| 09:18.18 | Orlino | peterS: no 10/100 |
| 09:18.34 | peterS | Orlino: I ask because larger ethernet frames *are* possible with gigabit ethernet |
| 09:18.58 | karsten | For a wmaker dude who's trying out current GNOME: does metacity have root window context menues at all? |
| 09:18.58 | peterS | Orlino: anyway, I don't know what would cause a switch to send huge frames to a NIC, other than the gigabit "jumbo frames" option |
| 09:19.00 | Orlino | peterS: nah, just the usuall 10/100 Mbps |
| 09:19.32 | Quibus | karsten: if it has, I haven't found it yet... Sawfish does have them, tho |
| 09:19.34 | Orlino | peterS: yeah was sending to my eth1 (private net) |
| 09:19.50 | karsten | Quibus: OK. How'd you switch WMs? |
| 09:20.04 | peterS | karsten: it's an ordeal |
| 09:20.10 | karsten | and/or does Gnome think you want to run Nautilus as an FM? |
| 09:20.11 | somiaj | karsten: couldn't ya just run wmaker as your window manager under gnome...(: |
| 09:20.13 | Quibus | karsten: I just didn't install metacity :) |
| 09:20.18 | karsten | Quibus: Smart. |
| 09:20.24 | peterS | karsten: basically you go into Desktop prefs -> Advanced -> Sessions |
| 09:20.34 | karsten | somiaj: Well, I've got a bit of a rep for dissing GNOME mightily, with prejudice. |
| 09:20.34 | Orlino | peterS: but its nothing serious? |
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| 09:20.49 | karsten | somiaj: ...so I'm looking at getting a taste of the kool aid. |
| 09:20.57 | peterS | Orlino: could be your switch acting up. whether that's serious or likely to recur, I have no idea |
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| 09:21.27 | Orlino | peterS: what you mean by acting up, playing up? |
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| 09:21.43 | peterS | karsten: then in the sessions thing, find metacity in the 'current session' and change it from 'restart' mode to 'trash' mode, which should kill it |
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| 09:21.51 | peterS | karsten: then start your favorite window manager |
| 09:22.08 | karsten | peterS: That's clear... |
| 09:22.08 | Quibus | peterS: are you sure that is the 'offical' way to do that? |
| 09:22.09 | peterS | karsten: and you *might* have to add it in to 'startup programs' |
| 09:22.11 | karsten | peterS: ...as... |
| 09:22.13 | karsten | peterS: ...mud. |
| 09:22.16 | somiaj | Orlino: i've seen hubs go bad causing lots of strange errors (most collisions in my case though) |
| 09:22.23 | peterS | Quibus: I don't know, really. you'd think there would be an easier way |
| 09:22.27 | ghostie | najs numbpad i sfixed |
| 09:22.37 | peterS | Quibus: however, that's more or less what someone pointed me at, when I had to ask, so that's all I know |
| 09:22.45 | Quibus | peterS: putting sawfish in my startup priograms was a very bad idea. It took more than 15 seconds to start when I did. While removing it, also booted it, much faster! |
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| 09:22.54 | somiaj | karsten: also I belive that gnome will obey the update-alternatives for selecting what window manager to use |
| 09:23.04 | mdh | peterS: that's the way the official gnome docs pointed out last time I checked |
| 09:23.06 | peterS | somiaj: yeah, but that requires you to be root |
| 09:23.20 | mdh | basically I think they don't want anyone running anything other than metacity |
| 09:23.20 | Orlino | somiaj: ok I get you, my switch is only 6 months old, been on ever since, first time I got this error |
| 09:23.21 | peterS | somiaj: debian doesn't have a per-user alternatives system |
| 09:23.29 | peterS | mdh: ok, good to know it's not just me (: |
| 09:23.30 | Quibus | peterS: that's what we have sudo for ;-) |
| 09:23.49 | peterS | Quibus: still, it's pretty clumsy to have to change the default window manager for *all* users at the same time |
| 09:23.58 | Quibus | true |
| 09:24.02 | karsten | Um. WTF is the "sessions" dialog supposed to be all about? |
| 09:24.17 | mdh | karsten: sessions |
| 09:24.20 | peterS | Quibus: as such, I don't consider it an acceptable solution, and I think there should be an easier way than what I outlined above |
| 09:24.24 | karsten | peterS: Tell you what. I'll have a system council with all my system's current users... |
| 09:24.31 | somiaj | peterS: tis true, though I see little reason for one since the user can just make config files to select what he wants' anyways......I see it more as a global setting |
| 09:24.32 | peterS | karsten: yeah, yeah |
| 09:24.33 | karsten | mdh: And WTF is a session? |
| 09:24.41 | Orlino | anyway thans for your opinions peterS and somiaj |
| 09:24.53 | peterS | somiaj: right. so why is it that you have to jump through those hoops I talked about, as a user, to change your window manager? |
| 09:24.56 | Quibus | peterS: the GNOME folks told me to change it with gconf-editor once. But that's like editing a registry. All changes are commited immediately |
| 09:25.01 | karsten | There was an error displaying help: |
| 09:25.01 | karsten | Help document user-guide/wgoscustlookandfeel.xml not found |
| 09:25.04 | mdh | karsten: a period of time in which you do something... |
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| 09:25.35 | mdh | karsten: for this purpose, think of it as a way in which you can have your desktop environment configured in a particular way, with certain programs running etc |
| 09:25.38 | peterS | karsten: it's the set of applications, and where their windows are located, and how big they are, and what command line parameters they had, and what files they had open |
| 09:25.49 | peterS | karsten: possible to save and restore the whole kit and kaboodle, for next time you log in |
| 09:25.53 | somiaj | peterS: yea, I was just giving an option, but yes it is better to set things your way. |
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| 09:26.01 | peterS | karsten: that's the main task of gnome-session-manager and its competitors |
| 09:26.03 | chen81 | hello |
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| 09:26.07 | Quibus | it's useful if you want some terminals started on your desktop, e.g. |
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| 09:26.34 | chen81 | when Sarge is out ? |
| 09:26.41 | peterS | !sarge pool 4 |
| 09:26.41 | dpkg | Keep 'em coming! directhex=2004-12-25 <cantona>=2004-08-19 <cantona>=2004-8-19 andika=2005-01-31 Cit=2004-05-20 g0llum=2004-07-26 dan2=2004-06-24 bztunk=2004-09-11 obake=2004-04-31 guestish=2004-05-30 <galois>=2004-07-09 |
| 09:26.50 | peterS | chen81: ^^^ that's when sarge comes out |
| 09:26.53 | Quibus | cool, a pool! :) |
| 09:27.00 | somiaj | chen81: when its ready! |
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| 09:27.04 | peterS | Quibus: /msg dpkg sarge bet |
| 09:27.12 | Quibus | what's the prize? |
| 09:27.16 | peterS | Quibus: warning, you don't really win anything if you win |
| 09:27.20 | Quibus | ah oK :) |
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| 09:27.29 | Quibus | guestish has a problem |
| 09:27.31 | Quibus | He lost |
| 09:27.35 | peterS | Quibus: and it's very easy to cheat - the bot doesn't have any logic to keep you honest about not changing your bets, etc. |
| 09:27.37 | somiaj | Quibus: the prize is a new release of debian to install |
| 09:27.42 | chen81 | oh i think debian realese is too solw |
| 09:28.02 | Quibus | somiaj: nah, I never install new Debian releases. apt-get dist-upgrade works fine, every day :) |
| 09:28.10 | karsten | peterS: OK. And why is WM selection part of the session dialog? |
| 09:28.12 | Elrond | Has Debian some docs on this libssl-vs-gpl story? |
| 09:28.15 | somiaj | chen81: its takeing a while cause of legality issues with the documation... |
| 09:28.23 | Quibus | (unless I find a new victim machine of course) |
| 09:28.25 | peterS | karsten: because the window manager is a program that is run as part of your session |
| 09:28.35 | chen81 | yes i think |
| 09:28.36 | directhex | debian isn't about a new os every 6 months. you can actually keep a system using apt up to date |
| 09:28.42 | peterS | karsten: also, because GNOME, at heart, really doesn't think users will ever want to change it anyway, so there's no point making it convenient to do so |
| 09:28.48 | peterS | karsten: I know that last bit will come as a shock to you |
| 09:28.50 | Quibus | directhex: exactly! one of the big virtues of Deb |
| 09:28.51 | karsten | ...and where do the GNOME help files live in Debian? That file I can't find: wgoscustlookandfeel.xml |
| 09:29.08 | karsten | peterS: Roll tape: shocked, shocked.... |
| 09:29.13 | somiaj | peterS: agreed....gnome is getting harder and harder to configure these days.....*hates gconf* |
| 09:29.14 | chen81 | debian is more in stable and security ,i think |
| 09:29.23 | peterS | karsten: yeah. like I said, I knew you would have a hard time believing it |
| 09:29.58 | peterS | somiaj: I said it the way I did because I happen to know karsten. he has ... rather strong opinions ... on this non-configurability direction gnome is going |
| 09:30.06 | spoofer | Hi all does anybody know how do I tell the multimedia keys in gnome to use pcm in place of volume? |
| 09:30.13 | directhex | why call it gconf? drop the mask, call it regedit.exe |
| 09:30.32 | directhex | i think i saw a tickbox in regedit.exe for that, spoofer |
| 09:30.43 | Elrond | Hum? gnome is going non-configurable? |
| 09:30.44 | spoofer | regedit?lol |
| 09:30.52 | somiaj | directhex: gconf-editor is probably closer to regedit.... |
| 09:30.54 | spoofer | gconf you mean? |
| 09:30.59 | peterS | Elrond: I just told karsten what you had to do to change your window manager in gnome. it's not pretty |
| 09:31.07 | spoofer | ok thanks directhex |
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| 09:31.41 | Elrond | peterS - Hum? I thought, the WM was choosen from my session? |
| 09:31.50 | Elrond | And I could just use fvwm for gnome or so? |
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| 09:31.57 | directhex | /apps/acme/use_pcm |
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| 09:32.12 | peterS | Elrond: yes it is. changing it is a rather non-obvious thing to do, though - you have to know that yes, you have to drop it from your session, and add something else in |
| 09:32.33 | peterS | Elrond: if they really wanted you to be able to change it, they'd present a list of known installed window managers and let you pick one, and hit "Apply" |
| 09:32.37 | Trewas | it was easier to just remove +x from metacity and run sawfish, has worked after that :) |
| 09:32.44 | elwo0d | peterS, yes , it becames difficult, i get damned for a day before discovering how to do it :) |
| 09:32.47 | karsten | somiaj: I've had a long-time dislike of how gnome looks/feels/acts loads, etc. |
| 09:32.57 | Elrond | peterS - Like kdm does? |
| 09:33.06 | peterS | Elrond: I have no idea what kdm does |
| 09:33.09 | somiaj | karsten: ahh, so installing it just to tortue yourself..... |
| 09:33.18 | karsten | somiaj: Starting last fall, I had a few run-ins with GNOME developer types, namely Jeff Waugh and Martin Pool, and found I didn't much care for the attitude either. |
| 09:33.22 | Elrond | peterS - kdm has a list of WMs at the login screen. |
| 09:33.25 | spoofer | directhex: the problem is that gnome2.6 doesn't use acme anymore.. |
| 09:33.28 | karsten | somiaj: I like to speak of things on a basis of familiarity. |
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| 09:33.36 | chen81 | how to update debian security update ? |
| 09:33.42 | peterS | Elrond: yeah, a similar list should be in a configuration dialog somewhere, in the gnome panel. it is not, though. |
| 09:33.46 | irv | DOES somebody use pam_mount to mount encrypted home directorys ? |
| 09:33.47 | jm_ | chen81: /msg dpkg security |
| 09:33.54 | karsten | chen81: apt-setup; aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 09:33.56 | somiaj | karsten: I use to like gnome (though some of it might of been new to linux), but am completely disapointed in the way it went with gnome2..... |
| 09:34.02 | directhex | it doesn't? typical |
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| 09:34.06 | Elrond | peterS - It's not scrictly easy... |
| 09:34.12 | karsten | somiaj: Ask peterS what I think of the Galeon situation ;-) |
| 09:34.21 | Elrond | peterS - You know, the session is a shell script in your $HOME |
| 09:34.30 | chen81 | ok |
| 09:34.35 | chen81 | i try it |
| 09:34.47 | karsten | somiaj: As I said to start with: I like WMaker. I'm leaning toward XFCE4 or KDE for n00bs. |
| 09:34.53 | peterS | Elrond: it is? I know about ~/.xsession but I didn't know gnome-session-manager actually wrote its own script. that doesn't sound like a very good architectural decision, if so |
| 09:35.26 | directhex | what's wrong with xfce4 dangnabbit :( |
| 09:35.31 | jm_ | you have to select Debian session in GDM in Woody for it to honour ~/.xsession file |
| 09:35.31 | Elrond | peterS - Don't know about gnome-session-manager... You know, I don't use all those fancy stuff like gnome ode kde in real. |
| 09:35.33 | directhex | !comfort directhex |
| 09:35.33 | somiaj | karsten: I'm an fvwm fan, though I used it in as my window manager inside of gnome for about 2 years until I just go so fead up with gnome I --purged it from my system. |
| 09:35.33 | dpkg | There, there, directhex. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 09:35.39 | karsten | chen81: Essentially: add the security sources to your apt sources list with apt-setup. Then update and dist-upgrade will automatically pull in security updates. Modulo long standard discussions of stable vs. unstable vs. testing. |
| 09:35.40 | peterS | somiaj: I've heard somebody speculate about 'forward ports' of gnome 1.4 to sarge, when it is released, so that people don't have to put up with gnome 2 (: |
| 09:35.52 | peterS | Elrond: that doesn't surprise me |
| 09:35.56 | karsten | somiaj: Yeah, us old farts are going to be hard to please. |
| 09:35.57 | somiaj | peterS: good idea!...(: |
| 09:36.00 | chen81 | i use Sarge , it is security update solw |
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| 09:36.11 | irv | i install pam_mount from sources. pam_mount-0.9.16. sources .17,18 don't want to compile. i have installed loop-aes, patched gpg, loop.o. when i mount manualy volume evrythig is ok. when i try use entry in pam.d/login volume don't want to mount. debug options don't show antything |
| 09:36.12 | jm_ | chen81: /msg dpkg sarge security |
| 09:36.43 | somiaj | karsten: as for kde, I think I had it installed for like 1 day before I decided I didn't like it....just something about kde always struck a nerve with me. |
| 09:36.49 | Elrond | Okay, again: Is there anything about the libssl-vs-gpl story in Debian? |
| 09:37.18 | chen81 | dpkg dont know me |
| 09:37.18 | dpkg | chen81: no idea |
| 09:37.43 | enon | hi there anybody know a good software to limit the use of network bandwidth by applications? |
| 09:37.47 | peterS | Elrond: the usual debian approach is to port apps to gnutls |
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| 09:38.11 | Elrond | enon - iptables, with pid-matching ;o) |
| 09:38.26 | peterS | pid-matching. great. |
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| 09:38.42 | peterS | uid-matching might make sense |
| 09:38.53 | enon | thankz |
| 09:39.00 | Elrond | peterS - He wanted application, not user ;o)) |
| 09:39.02 | jm_ | chen81: you need tl learn how to use IRC and especially IRC clients |
| 09:39.09 | jm_ | !tell chen81 -about sarge security |
| 09:39.11 | peterS | Elrond: true enough |
| 09:39.46 | Elrond | Biggest problem: pid/uid-matching works only for outgoing. |
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| 09:40.02 | jm_ | crap someone removed the factoid |
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| 09:40.24 | mikael_ | hi |
| 09:40.32 | jm_ | chen81: bot no longer knows about it, but in short, make sure you know what you're doing with regards to security updates if you're using sarge |
| 09:40.37 | somiaj | jm_: that cause there is no sarge security...(: |
| 09:40.43 | jm_ | somiaj: right |
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| 09:41.04 | peterS | Elrond: for incoming presumably you normally use port matching |
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| 09:41.14 | mikael_ | when I use xdm to log in I have different fonts than when I use gdm, but I'd like to keep the ones with xdm, any ideas ???? |
| 09:41.18 | Elrond | peterS - Yep. |
| 09:41.18 | cmon | Question: what are "attic" packages of linux ?? |
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| 09:41.32 | jm_ | mikael_: check how they start X server |
| 09:41.37 | Elrond | peterS - Do you know more about the libssl-vs-gpl thing? |
| 09:41.57 | enon | but how do I limit bandwidth with iptables? |
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| 09:42.09 | mikael_ | jm_ they should start the same way shouldn't they ? |
| 09:42.14 | peterS | Elrond: I think it's considered a bug. like I said, the usual fix it to port to gnutls - unless they get a copyright license that extends the GPL to say "oh and you can also link with openssl" |
| 09:42.21 | Elrond | enon - iptables ... -m limit --limit ... --burst-limit. |
| 09:42.27 | Guerin | cmon: apt-cache show will tell you |
| 09:42.30 | Elrond | enon - Check "man iptables", search for "limit" |
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| 09:42.52 | zoyd | hi, anybody know of a console ppp dialer with some sort of curses(like) interface? |
| 09:43.02 | prologic | Excuse me, what does dpkg (the bot in this channel) use to find the names of packages ?, eg: !find /bin/reportbug ... |
| 09:43.22 | Guerin | prologic: that should work |
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| 09:43.30 | prologic | err no |
| 09:43.30 | cmon | No, I mean I found ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/Attic/3.2/Debian/ and want to know what attic means here |
| 09:43.31 | Elrond | peterS - weird enough... I can link a gpl app against my totaly commercial libc from aix, right? |
| 09:43.35 | somiaj | zoyd: pppconfig will give you an curses interface to set up connections then you turn themm on and off with pon poff |
| 09:43.35 | prologic | what command does it use to find this out ? |
| 09:43.43 | Guerin | prologic: ah |
| 09:43.49 | prologic | I dont' want to have to keep coming here to ask it |
| 09:43.50 | peterS | Elrond: your totally commercial libc with AIX is "shipped as part of the operating system" |
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| 09:43.57 | peterS | Elrond: the GPL allows this, specifically for cases like that |
| 09:44.23 | peterS | Elrond: but if your app *and* the non-GPL library are *both* shipped together, then that exception doesn't apply |
| 09:44.28 | peterS | Elrond: it's rather complicated |
| 09:44.28 | jm_ | mikael_: not necessarily |
| 09:44.53 | Elrond | peterS - Hmm, but openssl is more or less "part of the system" on Debian?! |
| 09:44.54 | mikael_ | jm_ so you suggested to have a look into /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 09:45.00 | Guerin | prologic: you can get the data from dpkg the program, as well |
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| 09:45.01 | mikael_ | jm_ ?? |
| 09:45.03 | zoyd | somiaj: know that .. but was looking for some UI to turn on and off |
| 09:45.07 | jm_ | mikael_: no, command line for X server |
| 09:45.24 | prologic | Guerin, this is what I want to know :) what's the switch you gotta use ? |
| 09:45.26 | prologic | dpkg ... |
| 09:45.27 | dpkg | prologic.. |
| 09:45.30 | Guerin | prologic: for a real explanation of how it works, you might want to ask dondelelcaro or simonrvn - they run dpkg and ravenbird in here |
| 09:45.37 | mikael_ | jm_ i don't get it |
| 09:45.49 | jm_ | !+my factoids |
| 09:45.49 | dpkg | my factoids are at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ |
| 09:45.53 | jm_ | prologic ^^^ |
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| 09:46.01 | jm_ | mikael_: ps auxw|grep X |
| 09:46.02 | zoyd | somiaj: .. it's a dedicated firewall machine that users would use to dial out |
| 09:46.05 | prologic | hmm |
| 09:46.06 | peterS | Elrond: GPL condition #3: ... "However, as a special exception, the source code distributed need not include anything that is normally distributed (in either source or binary form) with the major components (compiler, kernel, and so on) of the operating system on which the executable runs..." |
| 09:46.14 | mikael_ | jm_ to get my server working i log in as root the type gdm |
| 09:46.15 | prologic | screen going by too fast for my eyes :( |
| 09:46.18 | prologic | hate being blind |
| 09:46.19 | peterS | Elrond: "...unless that component itself accompanies the executable." |
| 09:46.20 | Guerin | prologic: dpkg -S |
| 09:46.28 | jm_ | mikael_: ehh ? |
| 09:46.33 | Guerin | prologic: msg dpkg search, man dpkg |
| 09:46.35 | peterS | Elrond: note the last part - if you ship *both* openssl and your app, with Debian, then the exception does not apply |
| 09:46.35 | somiaj | zoyd: yea I don't know of any, though since pon and poff does most the work it might be easy to write one... |
| 09:46.35 | prologic | Guerin, cool lemme try that |
| 09:46.37 | jm_ | prologic: /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 09:46.58 | jm_ | prologic: ahh that, read the FAQ |
| 09:47.13 | Elrond | peterS - Ahh... but openssl sources can be shipped?! |
| 09:47.13 | zoyd | somiaj: hmm .. am surfing through packages.debian.org/stable |
| 09:47.28 | mikael_ | jm_ ok so i have to compare the output of ps auxw|grep X using xdm or gdm, right ? |
| 09:47.36 | jm_ | mikael_: right |
| 09:47.40 | prologic | hrmm |
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| 09:47.52 | Elrond | peterS - All of this feels a bit like the qt story years ago. |
| 09:47.52 | prologic | what I wanted to know, was the package for the reportbug program! :) |
| 09:48.03 | mikael_ | jm_ thanx very much |
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| 09:48.11 | peterS | Elrond: it's similar. I don't think the OpenSSL people intended to create the situation, at all |
| 09:48.14 | jm_ | yes, /msg dpkg search will tell you how to find it, or the FAQ |
| 09:48.15 | somiaj | zoyd: you could also check out the config files for xdm and gdm and look at where the options are set for how they launch the xserver |
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| 09:48.19 | pacmAway | re |
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| 09:48.38 | toni | hi guys, why apt-get source postgresql seems to have problem at the moment? I tried with different stable mirrors, but apt don't find the source for postgres. Why?? thanks |
| 09:48.44 | enon | Elrond: thankz |
| 09:48.46 | prologic | jm_, heh, it's funnily enough called reportbug, duh :) |
| 09:48.53 | peterS | Elrond: s/the OpenSSL people/Eric Young/ - the license is really his fault (: |
| 09:49.02 | jm_ | prologic: yeah, but sometimes it isn't so obvious |
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| 09:49.10 | prologic | jm_, *nods* |
| 09:49.16 | Elrond | peterS - Do you know, if they're working on fixing it? |
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| 09:49.24 | Guerin | prologic: damn, I thought you were just using that as an example... |
| 09:49.35 | zoyd | somiaj: i'm not sure what you're pointing towards, but running X on a firewall is a no no |
| 09:49.42 | peterS | Elrond: probably too many people are involved, to fix it. it's not like Qt which was and is controlled by a single entity (TrollTech) |
| 09:49.42 | prologic | Guerin, nope :) |
| 09:49.48 | Guerin | !info postgresql woody |
| 09:49.52 | dpkg | postgresql: (Object-relational SQL database, descended from POSTGRES.), section misc, is optional. Version: 7.2.1-2woody4 (woody), Packaged size: 1514 kB, Installed size: 3664 kB |
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| 09:50.12 | Guerin | Toni: hrm |
| 09:50.15 | Elrond | peterS - yuck. |
| 09:50.15 | pacmAway | hi all |
| 09:50.19 | somiaj | zoyd: well do you want the users to be able to enter in phone numbers or just turn on and off the ppp conenction |
| 09:50.31 | peterS | Elrond: the simple solution, as author of GPL code, is to add an extra permission grant to your code - "also, you can link with openssl if you want, regardless of the permissions give you by the GPL" |
| 09:50.47 | peterS | Elrond: that would have been the simple solution for KDE too (: |
| 09:50.53 | zoyd | somiaj: http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/pppstatus |
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| 09:51.28 | Elrond | peterS - *g* Hmm... how to add this, if the project already has n people holding the copyright? |
| 09:51.31 | toni | <guerin> how can i put the section misc in the apt configuration file? |
| 09:51.43 | zoyd | somiaj: just turn on and off the connection .. and perhaps look at the transfer rate after it's connected |
| 09:51.45 | peterS | Elrond: that's a problem. I guess you have to ask the other n-1 people |
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| 09:52.00 | Elrond | peterS - *yuck* |
| 09:52.09 | jm_ | zoyd: you just need to add the m |
| 09:52.14 | jm_ | to group dialup |
| 09:52.34 | peterS | Elrond: I know, I know. there *are* competing crypto libraries out there you can port to - including but not limited to gnutls |
| 09:52.39 | zoyd | jm_: yes |
| 09:52.44 | Guerin | toni: just add misc after whatever else is on the line |
| 09:52.54 | peterS | Elrond: I don't know if there are any other SSL libraries other than openssl and gnutls, but a lot of people just need the cryptographic algorithms, not SSL or TLS per se |
| 09:53.23 | Elrond | peterS - yeah... |
| 09:53.50 | Guerin | toni: hrm, mine is coming in fine, from ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 09:54.31 | toni | <guerin> i try with this mirror thanks |
| 09:54.31 | Guerin | toni: the full line i have is deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
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| 09:54.53 | toni | <guerin> ok, thanks a lot |
| 09:54.54 | kuru | I'm trying to get sound working.. |
| 09:54.55 | peterS | Elrond: a simple apt-cache search comes up with libgcrypt and libnettle, and libmhash which only does hashing |
| 09:55.09 | jm_ | tony: do you even have deb-src lines in sources.list ? |
| 09:55.10 | kuru | GNOME's sound control is saying /dev/sound/mixer is non-existent.. |
| 09:55.11 | kuru | and it isn't. |
| 09:55.28 | kuru | but I know I loaded the right kernel modules.. it recognizes the sound card |
| 09:55.31 | kuru | so what now? |
| 09:55.41 | Elrond | peterS - I know... I think, libgcrypt is used by gnutls anyway. |
| 09:56.05 | directhex | kuru, check the permissions of /dev/sound/mixer |
| 09:56.10 | peterS | Elrond: you are correct |
| 09:56.12 | kuru | directhex: it doesn't exist |
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| 09:56.27 | directhex | then make a symbolic link to /dev/mixer |
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| 09:56.31 | peterS | Elrond: I also see beecrypt2 and libmatrixssl1 |
| 09:56.33 | Guerin | !blaireau fax0 |
| 09:56.34 | dpkg | fax0: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 09:56.46 | toni | <guerin> this is the problem: Failed to fetch ftp://mirrors.pandora.be/mirrors/ftp.debian.org/pool/main/p/postgresql/postgresql_7.2.1-2woody4.diff.gz Unable to fetch file, server said '/mirrors/ftp.debian.org/pool/main/p/postgresql/postgresql_7.2.1-2woody4.diff.gz: No such file or directory |
| 09:56.46 | peterS | Elrond: apparently "a new crypto library which is better than the other ones" is a popular project, like a GUI CD player app |
| 09:57.02 | fax0 | lol Guerin :) |
| 09:57.16 | Guerin | toni: apt-get update, otherwise try another mirror |
| 09:57.20 | toni | <guerin> your mirror doesn't work in my stable release |
| 09:57.20 | Elrond | peterS - Yeah.... and I hate that... it makes the whole thing very chaotic. |
| 09:57.30 | sussudio | sheepy sheepy sheepy sheepy baaah baaah sheepy sheepy sheep aaah a kiwi kiwiii |
| 09:57.31 | Guerin | toni: that's not an official debian mirror, so who knows? |
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| 09:57.49 | toni | ok |
| 09:57.50 | Guerin | toni: why not? |
| 09:57.51 | peterS | Elrond: there are a lot of things like that in debian. yesterday I noticed that there are something like *6* different rfc1413 (ident) servers in Debian |
| 09:57.58 | peterS | Elrond: why do we need more than about 2 of those? |
| 09:58.00 | kuru | directhex: that doesn't work |
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| 09:58.21 | peterS | ident is *not* a complex protocol |
| 09:58.23 | toni | ftp.lip6.fr is an official mirror? |
| 09:58.35 | directhex | what are the permissions of /dev/mixeo0 ? |
| 09:58.39 | peterS | toni: if it has an alias ftp.fr.debian.org then yes |
| 09:58.40 | directhex | *mixer0 |
| 09:58.46 | Guerin | toni: ftp.xx.debian.org are official - where xx is your country code |
| 09:58.55 | peterS | directhex: root:audio, mode 660 |
| 09:59.09 | directhex | i meant for kuru |
| 09:59.10 | kuru | directhex: crw-rw---- root:audio |
| 09:59.11 | toni | Guerin: thanks |
| 09:59.15 | Elrond | peterS - I see a need for three: a _really_ simple one, returning static data. (good for security, etc, I know _good_ reasons for it), well, and theen we're left with 2 for featuritis. |
| 09:59.24 | kuru | and the user is in the audio group |
| 09:59.30 | peterS | Elrond: I think one for featuritis is fine (: |
| 09:59.40 | directhex | have you restarted gnome after making the link? |
| 09:59.45 | Guerin | sussudio: nah, there has to be a plant in there somewhere |
| 09:59.45 | kuru | no |
| 09:59.52 | kuru | shouldn't have to |
| 09:59.53 | Guerin | sussudio: for NZ, I'd suggest ganja |
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| 10:00.06 | Elrond | peterS - Well, pidentd can be called the "normal" one, and then there's one for featuritis. |
| 10:00.39 | directhex | right click on the mixer icon, access the mixer from there |
| 10:00.51 | jaymzh | I finally decided to start using make-kpkg for my kernels instead of just compiling them myself... and I'm trying to add in the debian lm-sensors-source package. So I did a 'make-kpkg -rev custom.1 --add-modules lm-sensors kernel_image' which doesn't seem to have put any lm-sensors modules in there. So then, following the docs for lm-sensors-source I did a "make-kpkg modules-image" which "completes succesfully" for lm-sensors, but I dont' get a .deb out o |
| 10:00.56 | directhex | if that works, it's fine, and it's just because gnome is dense it's not updating the main icon |
| 10:01.03 | peterS | Elrond: at least one of them can do ident for NAT proxying. maybe that's a need for a separate thing other than the "normal" one. but even that can go in the featuritis version |
| 10:01.17 | kuru | directhex: there's nothing useful I Can do from there |
| 10:01.21 | Guerin | dpkg, sheepy $1 is <reply> $1: SheepysheepysheepysheepyGANJA GANJASheepysheepysheepysheepy GANJA GANJA strewth mate, a kiwi, oooh, it's a kiiiwi.... |
| 10:01.21 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 10:01.30 | Elrond | peterS - Yeah. |
| 10:01.33 | kuru | directhex: all I Can do is volume control -- which is pointless if I can't get it to see that I do have device. |
| 10:01.39 | peterS | Guerin: pardon, but you are moron #1 |
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| 10:02.06 | Guerin | peterS: I don't know about that, there were other morons here before me... |
| 10:02.13 | peterS | Guerin: that does not make you less of one |
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| 10:02.19 | Guerin | (sussudio for instance) |
| 10:02.38 | Guerin | peterS: nope, it just means I'm not the original - myabe #20 or so... |
| 10:02.39 | peterS | Guerin: when sussudio propagated the badgers joke, it was funny for awhile. when other people thought they could be just as funny as he ... including you ... they all failed |
| 10:03.03 | xin | humm. Any Debian bigshots around? (sorry if thats the wrong term) |
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| 10:03.04 | peterS | Guerin: a large component of humor is originality |
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| 10:03.18 | Guerin | peterS: part of the charm of the badger meme is its irritating pervasiveness |
| 10:03.33 | peterS | Guerin: no no. that's part of the irritation of the badger meme. |
| 10:03.38 | directhex | kuru, when you've restarted gnome i'll be satisfied the fix that worked for me doesn't apply to you. |
| 10:03.48 | Guerin | peterS: regarless, it's the reason the meme spread |
| 10:04.18 | peterS | Guerin: there's just something about jokes which aren't as funny the second time. that something is: they tend to be even less funny the tenth time |
| 10:04.29 | toni | <guerin> postgres sources work!! :) |
| 10:04.34 | kuru | ok.. will try |
| 10:04.42 | peterS | Guerin: so no, I guess you aren't moron #1. I'll grant you moron #10 or so |
| 10:04.49 | Guerin | peterS: you'll find no argument with me there. |
| 10:04.53 | Guerin | yeah, 10 sounds about right |
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| 10:05.40 | }{pertu | i have a problem getting kde |
| 10:05.42 | kuru | funny.. |
| 10:05.47 | kuru | directhex: it did work. |
| 10:05.48 | }{pertu | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:05.48 | }{pertu | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.48 | }{pertu | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.48 | }{pertu | E: Broken packages |
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| 10:05.52 | kuru | that's stupid though. |
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| 10:06.21 | directhex | kdelibs4 is broken in sid |
| 10:06.28 | directhex | come back later in the week |
| 10:06.32 | Guerin | }{pertu: wait until it's fixed |
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| 10:07.08 | }{pertu | so it's not my systems fault? |
| 10:07.34 | Guerin | }{pertu: yes and no - you're using sid, so yes. You're not alone, so no. |
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| 10:08.44 | }{pertu | yes i am using sid |
| 10:09.29 | directhex | that was implicit |
| 10:09.34 | directhex | since the problem is in sid |
| 10:09.35 | }{pertu | anyway i kind of new in debian so i have a lot of problems in configuring it |
| 10:09.36 | }{pertu | :) |
| 10:09.56 | }{pertu | anyway i am kind of new in debian so i have a lot of problems in configuring it |
| 10:10.14 | sussudio | !tell }{pertu about sid faq |
| 10:10.15 | jaymzh | anyone on my lm-sensors issue? |
| 10:10.39 | directhex | ? |
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| 10:11.58 | jaymzh | ah, ya know what. A bit more reading, and I found my answer. Nevermind. Thanks |
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| 10:12.52 | sussudio | !fart Marsupilcoalt |
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| 10:14.13 | redcliffe | hi - how do you generate a key and certificate for use with email tls/ssl with openssl? |
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| 10:15.25 | Guerin | redcliffe: google tls mail howto |
| 10:15.47 | Guerin | redcliffe: there are dozens of howtos on it, it's not debian specific |
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| 10:16.26 | redcliffe | Guerin, thanks - i've tried googling a few queries, but couldn't find anything suitable - that one finds me somethign though thanks |
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| 10:17.16 | jm_ | tls mail hownotto ;) |
| 10:17.48 | redcliffe | maybe the caffeine has just got to me.... |
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| 10:18.29 | }{pertu | how do you put user permissions to a device |
| 10:18.33 | }{pertu | ? |
| 10:18.46 | Guerin | }{pertu: how do you mean? |
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| 10:19.03 | }{pertu | what command should i use? |
| 10:19.15 | Guerin | }{pertu: I don't know precisely what you want to do |
| 10:19.25 | Nabiki | Is it possible to get an 802.11g card to work properly under debian? :) |
| 10:19.25 | }{pertu | i'm logged as a user and i can;t use the sound card |
| 10:19.29 | Guerin | }{pertu: if you want to give a user access to a device |
| 10:19.30 | Guerin | ah |
| 10:19.33 | jm_ | /msg dpkg audio |
| 10:19.47 | }{pertu | yes |
| 10:19.54 | }{pertu | thats the idea |
| 10:19.56 | }{pertu | :) |
| 10:20.19 | }{pertu | how do i give user acces to a device |
| 10:20.30 | directhex | }{pertu, check if root can play audio |
| 10:20.38 | Guerin | !tell Nabiki about wireless |
| 10:20.46 | }{pertu | root can play |
| 10:20.47 | Guerin | Nabiki: that might give you a bit of help |
| 10:20.51 | directhex | e.g. su, then cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 10:20.51 | }{pertu | i checked |
| 10:20.55 | jm_ | }{pertu: ffs, /msg dpkg audio |
| 10:21.02 | Guerin | }{pertu: adduser <username> audio |
| 10:21.11 | Guerin | }{pertu: man adduser will tell you more |
| 10:21.17 | }{pertu | k |
| 10:21.19 | Weeble | oh is that what you're supposed to do |
| 10:21.20 | }{pertu | thanks |
| 10:21.30 | Weeble | I did some evil hackery when I did it :-/ |
| 10:21.36 | Guerin | Weeble: yes, you're not just supposed to change /dev/dsp to 777 |
| 10:21.51 | Weeble | oops |
| 10:21.54 | Weeble | ah well |
| 10:21.58 | directhex | or random users might play sounds on your sound card |
| 10:22.00 | Weeble | don't have that system any more |
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| 10:22.14 | Weeble | hmm |
| 10:22.33 | Weeble | it is almost enough encouragement to go find my speakers and plug them in just to see that work :) |
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| 10:22.45 | josant | :) |
| 10:23.23 | Weeble | given that speaks on the other seem kind of pointless |
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| 10:24.10 | Guerin | 8 is just too many for my taste |
| 10:24.12 | kremlyn | A veritable smorgasboard of playing with all kinds of networking software ;-) |
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| 10:24.34 | kremlyn | Runnig OpenBSD, FreeBSD and now Debian |
| 10:24.48 | Guerin | I have a laptop and a desktop, and I could do with maybe a couple more, just for messing about on, but 8 would turn me into a fulltime tinker |
| 10:24.51 | directhex | i personally have three machines - 1.7 celeron in the living room for watching xvid, 1.33 athlon file server, 2.26 p4 desktop machine |
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| 10:25.25 | Guerin | directhex: all running *nix? |
| 10:25.45 | kremlyn | My desktop's an XP2800+ in an ASUS board w/ 5.1 optical out etc. All for the multimedia/gaming (win2k). Everything else is an early celeron, P2 or PPro for the servers |
| 10:25.49 | kremlyn | Which is how I can have so many |
| 10:25.52 | directhex | the former dual boots debian & xp, the second has windows server 2003. only my gaming desktop runs linux 24/7 |
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| 10:26.10 | directhex | windows on the servers, linux on the desktops. that's my policy |
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| 10:26.13 | Guerin | directhex: sounds a bit backwards to me |
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| 10:26.36 | directhex | windows is stable as long as you don't touch it. a server seems appropriate |
| 10:26.49 | kremlyn | ack |
| 10:26.53 | kremlyn | Opposite here |
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| 10:27.01 | directhex | that & a) my samba skills are currently lacking b) i don't wanna lose anything from the 2 raid1 arrays on it |
| 10:27.02 | kremlyn | Windows on desktop, maybe xandros one day.. |
| 10:27.14 | Nabiki | Thanks |
| 10:27.29 | kremlyn | Samba, Squid, Postfix and Apache. The big four. |
| 10:27.51 | kremlyn | Though I know nothing about Linux or Debian.. from a BSD background. I will be asking some very lame questions in here when I get time to fiddle with Debian, to be sure ;-) |
| 10:28.01 | ebruli | www.googlechat.net /server irc.googlechat.net |
| 10:28.06 | ebruli | www.googlechat.net /server irc.googlechat.net |
| 10:28.11 | directhex | it's a toy server. it basically just shares files & runs tomcat. it's enough of a task getting file sharing under 2003 working right |
| 10:28.28 | thomas_adam | p2p |
| 10:28.32 | kremlyn | hehe |
| 10:28.34 | Guerin | directhex: well, my lappy is sarge/sid, my desktop is the same, with a 3g windows drive which never gets used, and a 30g vfat partition on the main drive which I'd love to change to a proper filesystem, but I don't have space to back it up anywhere |
| 10:28.37 | directhex | that too. g3torrent. |
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| 10:28.54 | Guerin | in fact, i don't even thing XP is in my desktop's grub menu... |
| 10:29.20 | directhex | i still need windows every now & again, i'd rather rdesktop to a machine than reboot |
| 10:29.30 | ebruli | www.googlechat.net /server irc.googlechat.net |
| 10:29.31 | cantona | ebruli: googlechat.net? lol it isnt google official i think |
| 10:29.36 | Guerin | ebruli: fuck off |
| 10:29.44 | sussudio | Guerin: i was going to say that |
| 10:29.48 | ebruli | cantona yes not officak |
| 10:29.48 | directhex | one tool i require has no sensible linux equivalency |
| 10:29.49 | ebruli | cantona yes not offical |
| 10:30.00 | Guerin | sussudio: I think he could do with hearing it more than once :) |
| 10:30.10 | Guerin | directhex: which one? |
| 10:30.16 | directhex | SubRip |
| 10:30.27 | Guerin | directhex: for ripping dvds? |
| 10:30.39 | Guerin | directhex: (I don't know, just guessing) |
| 10:30.50 | directhex | it takes decrypted vob files, runs OCR on all the subtitles, and produces a standard SRT file |
| 10:31.06 | directhex | which i can feed into my linux ripping / encoding toolchain |
| 10:31.09 | Guerin | directhex: yeah, good subtitles are a joy |
| 10:31.14 | directhex | neccessary for anime |
| 10:31.22 | jm_ | some tools for Linux can do the same, not sure how good they are, it's a while since I did this |
| 10:31.24 | ebruli | www.googlechat.net /server irc.googlechat.net we are searching globall channel founder |
| 10:31.33 | peterS | directhex: don't make the bot SRT you |
| 10:31.42 | ebruli | www.googlechat.net /server irc.googlechat.net we are searching globall channel founder |
| 10:31.46 | Guerin | !ops |
| 10:31.46 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your problem. |
| 10:31.47 | jm_ | !+ops |
| 10:31.48 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your problem. |
| 10:32.00 | Guerin | ebruli needs a swift boot for spamming |
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| 10:32.12 | ebruli | www.googlechat.net /server irc.googlechat.net we are searching globall channel founder |
| 10:32.23 | jm_ | ebruli: can you cut the crap already ? |
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| 10:32.58 | Ghosty | Hello |
| 10:33.18 | peterS | jm_: mirc script. anyone wanna do something evil to ebruli? |
| 10:33.27 | ebruli | yes |
| 10:33.40 | directhex | subtitles on dvds are an additional bitmap mpeg stream. sensible quality is required or my eyes hurt (and the original dvd is usually particularly poor), so i convert to SRT, which is ASCII encided text with timing info. I then spellcheck & proofread the subs, and burn them into the xvids i produce in antialiased arial bold. |
| 10:34.12 | directhex | the resulting output tends to look a whole lot better than the dvd itself |
| 10:34.34 | peterS | Guerin: you don't need a fat pipe to crash some versions of mirc. I have no idea if 6.03 is hardened against the historical security holes, or what |
| 10:34.37 | ebruli | www.googlechat.net /server irc.googlechat.net we are searching globall channel founder |
| 10:34.48 | Guerin | peterS: nah, I'm too lazy for any of that |
| 10:35.13 | Guerin | peterS: but you're probably not wrong, I guess it'd be trivial to do |
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| 10:35.26 | Guerin | where are the fucking ops, anyway |
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| 10:35.33 | peterS | Guerin: they don't exist this time of day |
| 10:35.46 | jm_ | I wish caphuso was as active as he was last year |
| 10:35.53 | Nabiki | There are somestimes ops, but you never see an @ in front of their names in here. |
| 10:35.54 | peterS | Guerin: I think they need better op coverage, but you know how much my opinion is worth (: |
| 10:35.59 | Guerin | peterS: apparently not. All in the US, eh? |
| 10:36.08 | petemc | if this was a democracy i would vote for jm_ or peterS as ops |
| 10:36.21 | petemc | unfortunately its not |
| 10:36.23 | Guerin | peterS: I do too, and g4lt said as much to a few of them when they turned up an hour after a porn spammer last week |
| 10:36.28 | sussudio | petemc: vote for me, i kick on sight. |
| 10:36.31 | petemc | heh |
| 10:36.38 | directhex | sweet, the subrip author appears to have released his source. need to get kylix & start hacking. wonder if i can remember any pascal... |
| 10:36.38 | petemc | thatd be interesting |
| 10:36.40 | peterS | Guerin: heh, I think I remember that. g4lt doesn't get along too well with mentor |
| 10:36.56 | Guerin | peterS: heh, one too many long waits, I think. |
| 10:37.20 | peterS | Guerin: I try to stay out of that battle, really. it's politics, which I'm really not at all good at |
| 10:37.21 | agenteo | my Debian Sid system clock is two hours ahead from the BIOS one, someone knows how can I fix it? I've tried to modify /etc/defaults/rcS UTC from yes to no but nothing changes |
| 10:37.26 | Guerin | I just figure there should be 2 ops in each major timezone, and then a few others here and there |
| 10:37.45 | Guerin | agenteo: ntpdate |
| 10:37.54 | jm_ | AgentK: you'll have to restart, adjust your BIOS clock if needed in-between and all should be fine |
| 10:37.57 | peterS | Guerin: timezone is a poor correlation to when people are on irc, though. I mean, most of us are a bit weird in our schedules |
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| 10:38.14 | Weeble | you need a rota :) |
| 10:38.27 | agenteo | Guerin: what if I'll haven't a gateway to the web? |
| 10:38.53 | Guerin | peterS: true, but it'd balance itself out - as it is, seems like all the ops are on weird schedule while also being in the same couple of timezones |
| 10:39.06 | peterS | Guerin: oh well. the point is moot, somehow it was made to go away |
| 10:39.11 | Guerin | agenteo: hwclock or date allow you to set the time off bios, as well |
| 10:39.38 | sussudio | hmm bob2's been asleep for 17 hours |
| 10:39.51 | peterS | Guerin: I suspect Md might have had something to do with it. he shows up on #perl, next thing you know ebruli quits, then Md leaves again |
| 10:40.02 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, I guess we plebs just need to keep griping about it ... withing earshot of the existing ops ... but not in such a way as to piss them off |
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| 10:40.38 | Guerin | sussudio: he might be doing that thing the boss pays him for |
| 10:40.42 | peterS | Guerin: the ops tend to be reasonable, but like all human beings, "reasonable" is a relative thing and sometimes is relative mainly to one's own perspective |
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| 10:40.51 | Guerin | I know I had to go do that for a few hours today... |
| 10:40.54 | sussudio | !what does bob2's boss pay you for |
| 10:40.55 | dpkg | sometimes bob2's boss insists on a good kick in the kidneys, sussudio, but I've really had enough... |
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| 10:41.19 | sussudio | k, #freenode is useless. it's like #AOLCHAT |
| 10:41.24 | Guerin | peterS: sure, and nobody likes being griped at for not being online when they had better things to do - especially as volunteers |
| 10:41.50 | Guerin | sussudio: I'm not even +v in there, but I have tried getting help in there too |
| 10:41.56 | peterS | Guerin: I wouldn't gripe at ops for not being here, individually. that's dumb |
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| 10:42.10 | agenteo | jm_: so BIOS clock must be setted to GMT+0 |
| 10:42.12 | peterS | Guerin: instead I'd gripe that they don't have better coverage, as a group. if that means adding to their number, so be it |
| 10:42.18 | Guerin | peterS: no, I think that's why g4lt and mentor ain't such pals |
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| 10:42.26 | sussudio | it probably doesn't help that there's a few people that have ops and haven't been seen in years |
| 10:42.38 | jm_ | agenteo: that's up to you - you can either set it to UTC or your local time zone, but make sure it matches your Linux setting (the one you mentioned in rcS) |
| 10:42.38 | peterS | sussudio: oh, true. so it looks like there are more ops than there really are |
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| 10:42.45 | sussudio | myeah. |
| 10:42.50 | directhex | right. i have the subrip source. pure hardened delphi 7. hurrah for object pascal. let's see if i can hack it into compiling with kylix |
| 10:42.53 | sussudio | ~seen doogie |
| 10:42.54 | apt | doogie <~adam@brown.brainfood.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 88d 4h 21m 29s ago, saying: 'don't know.'. |
| 10:42.58 | Guerin | sussudio: yeah, as a newcomer I notice that there are only a half dozen or so who are regularly here - the others I've never heard of |
| 10:43.00 | Fuzzy76 | Is there a netinst image that will allow me to install sid/unstable directly? |
| 10:43.08 | Nabiki | I've seen a person kicked from here before. The person that did the kicking didn't show his @ until it was needed. |
| 10:43.14 | sussudio | ~seen walters |
| 10:43.14 | apt | walters <walters@verbum.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 109d 15h 29m 9s ago, saying: 'the stable openembedded distribution is like windows 3.1'. |
| 10:43.14 | directhex | the business card cd will do it |
| 10:43.18 | petemc | Fuzzy76: the sarge installer |
| 10:43.19 | sussudio | ~seen netsnipe |
| 10:43.20 | apt | netsnipe <netsnipe@dhcp047044.wireless.unsw.EDU.AU> was last seen on IRC in channel #slug, 31d 4h 35m 7s ago, saying: 'yes. I can, but I'm human too'. |
| 10:43.25 | Guerin | Nabiki: yeah, that's how it comes |
| 10:43.28 | sussudio | snort. |
| 10:43.31 | directhex | but it's been half pulled, from what i can tell. no more links to it, anyway |
| 10:43.36 | Guerin | Nabiki: swift and sure and from unknown quarter |
| 10:43.40 | peterS | sussudio: netsnipe *has* been spotted on #debian more recently, actually |
| 10:43.47 | sussudio | ~seenxk |
| 10:43.49 | sussudio | meh. |
| 10:43.51 | sussudio | ~seen xk |
| 10:43.53 | apt | i haven't seen 'xk', sussudio |
| 10:43.56 | directhex | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/beta4/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso if you're feeling daring |
| 10:44.10 | directhex | worked for me, have heard problems from others |
| 10:44.13 | sussudio | has bdale *ever* been in here? |
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| 10:44.28 | agenteo | jm_: I think I've understand, right now my BIOS clock is setted to GMT+1 but I've setted UTC=yes and tz to Rome... so it adds hours to BIOS time thinking it's GMT+0 isn't it? |
| 10:44.34 | jm_ | agenteo: yes |
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| 10:44.59 | sussudio | agenteo: Rome is GMT+2 |
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| 10:45.19 | peterS | Guerin: the ops list does change a bit - they're not completely insular. to my knowledge, they've kicked out 2 ops, and added 1, in the several months I've been here |
| 10:45.40 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, helix got in |
| 10:45.53 | peterS | Guerin: right, and simonrvn and RichiH are out |
| 10:45.58 | jm_ | which just proves that being pretty gets you anything ;) |
| 10:46.11 | Guerin | peterS: hrm, why? Internal issues, or what? |
| 10:46.17 | sussudio | RichiH was never in. he gave himself access through chanserv. |
| 10:46.27 | peterS | sussudio: is that so? oh well, I didn't know that |
| 10:46.30 | agenteo | sussudio: ??? Rome is GMT +1 as far as I know |
| 10:46.36 | peterS | Guerin: well, as for simonrvn, I don't know the whole story |
| 10:46.36 | sussudio | agenteo: daylight savings. |
| 10:46.41 | agenteo | sussudio: yep |
| 10:46.45 | Guerin | sussudio: that must mean he's freeenode staff? |
| 10:46.55 | jm_ | Guerin: whois will tell you |
| 10:46.56 | sussudio | Guerin: no, just pals with lilo or something |
| 10:47.00 | peterS | Guerin: what I do know is he was kicked out for an actual reason - he did something you shouldn't do - but in my opinion the reason was pretty mild, and was probably just an excuse |
| 10:47.34 | Guerin | ah well, I don't need the whole sordid story |
| 10:47.35 | sussudio | Guerin: the chanserv backdoor is gone now, as far as i know |
| 10:47.49 | peterS | Guerin: so there was almost certainly something political going on - somebody didn't like him already, and was looking for an excuse to get rid of him |
| 10:47.50 | Guerin | sussudio: well, I guess THAT's gotta be a good thing |
| 10:47.59 | Guerin | peterS: charming |
| 10:48.09 | peterS | Guerin: don't worry, that's as much of the "sordid story" as I know. in fact, it's a little bit conjecture |
| 10:48.12 | Weeble | irc politics can be fairly nasty |
| 10:48.20 | Guerin | peterS: in any sufficiently large society... |
| 10:48.26 | peterS | Guerin: but not much conjecture |
| 10:48.40 | sussudio | well, unless you're on EFNet/Undernet, then it's just "the fucktard with the biggest botnet wins" |
| 10:48.48 | peterS | sussudio: hehe |
| 10:48.54 | VoX | haha |
| 10:48.59 | Guerin | sussudio: heh, never done much IRC until coming here |
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| 10:49.04 | directhex | on undernet having a big collection of kiddy porn works too |
| 10:49.20 | Guerin | sussudio: I previously did a fair bit of blog/messageboarding, but that's even worse |
| 10:49.48 | directhex | q always leaves you at inopertune moments. netsplits are so frequent on quakenet it hurts |
| 10:49.49 | Guerin | (for politics, not for pr0n) |
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| 10:50.05 | Weeble | this is true :( |
| 10:50.12 | peterS | Guerin: btw, the fact that I am annoyed that simonrvn was kicked out and not reinstated, along with publicly questioning something LoRez did at one point, probably guarantees that I will not be added to that list any time soon |
| 10:50.18 | sussudio | blogs are like assholes, everybody's got one |
| 10:50.29 | sussudio | (taken freely from Clint Eastwood) |
| 10:50.33 | peterS | Guerin: not that I think I particularly *should* be, but I *have* been active on channel for at least awhile, and I've heard others say they think I should be |
| 10:50.49 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, you'd seem a good candidate to me |
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| 10:51.04 | Weeble | but at least there's a mechanism that gets you keep control in the face of lameness (on a good day) |
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| 10:51.11 | Guerin | sussudio: when I first got a web server I set up a blog ... it still has 0 entries on it |
| 10:51.11 | sussudio | peterS: the chances are that you'll turn into evil_peterS, ofcourse |
| 10:51.19 | Nabiki | Does anyone know were I can find a tutorial on .mailproc? :P |
| 10:51.20 | peterS | sussudio: of course |
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| 10:51.42 | Guerin | Nabiki: do you mean procmail? |
| 10:51.48 | Nabiki | yeah. ^^ |
| 10:51.51 | peterS | Guerin: as it is, I think one existing op would vote for me, but I can also think of more than one who would vote against me (: |
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| 10:51.57 | Nabiki | thanks |
| 10:51.59 | jm_ | Nabiki: www.procmail.org has a lot of docs/links/... |
| 10:51.59 | Guerin | Nabiki: yeah, there are tons of them |
| 10:52.11 | jm_ | Nabiki: procmail-lib is also a good start |
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| 10:52.20 | Nabiki | Thanks a lot. :) I was saying .mailproc to dpkg and it was confused. hehe :P |
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| 10:53.10 | Guerin | peterS: Not much for it but to do what you do, and getting ops is anice and unexpected bonus.... |
| 10:53.17 | peterS | Guerin: heh |
| 10:53.19 | jm_ | the file .procmailrc anyway |
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| 10:53.41 | jm_ | file is too |
| 10:53.48 | Nabiki | Hehe. The last time I actualy used procmail was years ago. O.o On an old FreeBSD system. |
| 10:54.08 | petemc | exim filter > procmail |
| 10:54.24 | Guerin | I'm a-cookin' |
| 10:54.32 | peterS | Guerin: procmail recipes? |
| 10:54.50 | Guerin | peterS: nah, I can only make the equivalent of toast with procmail |
| 10:55.02 | Guerin | peterS: I mean REAL proper food |
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| 10:55.27 | Guerin | and sussudio, if I could find a sheep anywhere in this god-forsaken country, you can bet I would kill and eat it |
| 10:55.29 | peterS | Guerin: what use is the chef's hat - any use at all other than appearance? |
| 10:55.37 | peterS | Guerin: I mean, an apron is actually functional - what of the hat? |
| 10:55.41 | Guerin | peterS: keeps your hair out of the food |
| 10:55.41 | jm_ | he used to be a chef IIRC |
| 10:55.51 | peterS | jm_: that's why I'm asking him (: |
| 10:55.55 | Guerin | peterS: and when you have as much hair as I do, that's quite important |
| 10:55.59 | peterS | Guerin: so, any hat would do just as well |
| 10:56.07 | jm_ | peterS: yeah your hair doesn't get into food, don't you hate that ? |
| 10:56.18 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, sure. some chefs I know just use a baseball cap |
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| 10:56.43 | peterS | Guerin: ok. I figured it must be that. "have to wear a hat anyway, to keep hair in place, therefore might as well make a uniform out of it" |
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| 10:57.05 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, that's pretty much it |
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| 10:57.27 | Guerin | and then there's getting grease/blood/sheese in your hair, etc |
| 10:57.34 | Guerin | not as fun as it sounds |
| 10:57.36 | peterS | heh |
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| 10:58.51 | directhex | oooooooooh! a little file with the subrip sources marked "gpl.txt" |
| 10:59.17 | Guerin | directhex: see if it'll compile |
| 10:59.26 | Guerin | at least for a laugh :) |
| 10:59.48 | directhex | i'm gonna get a linux version of this working if it kills me. |
| 11:00.31 | directhex | looks like kylix uses wine in some way shape or form (probably compiled against winelibs), which is far from ideal, but hey ho |
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| 11:01.05 | aZ[a]ZeL | if we judged user base on how many people were in the distributions IRC channel, I think debian would be the most used distribution :) |
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| 11:01.41 | aZ[a]ZeL | however, I don't run debian, and I'm in here, so it makes that statistic pointless :) |
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| 11:01.57 | TerryG | has anybody had a problem installing testing where after the system restarts to continue the install from the hard drive the system restarts itself after 80 seconds regardless of what you are doing with it? |
| 11:02.04 | directhex | it is one of the most used distributions |
| 11:02.13 | directhex | TerryG, i had that with srage beta 3 |
| 11:02.17 | directhex | *sarge |
| 11:02.39 | TerryG | i just have to wait for the next release then? |
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| 11:02.49 | directhex | well beta 4 fixed that bug for me |
| 11:02.55 | TerryG | hmm..... |
| 11:02.58 | directhex | if the bug's still in beta 4, submit a report about it |
| 11:03.03 | jm_ | TerryG: ask in #debian-boot |
| 11:03.08 | TerryG | cheers |
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| 11:03.28 | somiaj | aZ[a]ZeL: #gentoo is fairly full as well |
| 11:03.53 | jm_ | maybe they have built a compile farm - the gentoo folks :P |
| 11:04.08 | somiaj | hehe |
| 11:04.36 | aZ[a]ZeL | maybe the users of these distributions require the most help :) |
| 11:04.46 | directhex | hmm, this could be trickier than i thought. for one thing, i've forgottem how to use delphi |
| 11:05.22 | somiaj | aZ[a]ZeL: hehe could be, I decided to play with a gentoo net install, and people say debian isntalls are hard.... |
| 11:05.48 | somiaj | aZ[a]ZeL: tell them to install gentoo from stage1 and they'll see how easy debian isntalls are |
| 11:05.49 | aZ[a]ZeL | delphi is so basic.. wish kdevelop offered something similar for kde.. just make a form, double click the buttons to add the code.. get an app running in only a couple of hours |
| 11:06.00 | aZ[a]ZeL | somiaj: heh |
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| 11:06.35 | TerryG | directhex: just out of curiousity what machine were you having this problem with? |
| 11:06.47 | TerryG | intel, amd, etc |
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| 11:07.14 | somiaj | TerryG: I haven't tested the sarge installer yet, but are there arch specific kernels you can pick? |
| 11:07.34 | TerryG | it doesnt ask during the install no |
| 11:07.57 | TerryG | i have it installed and working fine on an old tosh laptop, i go to stick it on my p4 and it doesnt want to know |
| 11:08.06 | dad | help! i'm inithe process of building a kernel and i lost the image (prolly a newbie problem) :) |
| 11:08.28 | dad | this was the command: make-kpkg --config xconfig kernel_image |
| 11:08.38 | somiaj | dad: how are you buidling the kernel, please tell me your doing it the debian way with kernel-package |
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| 11:08.45 | somiaj | dad: it will be one dir up |
| 11:08.51 | somiaj | dad: cd ../; ls |
| 11:08.57 | dad | :) |
| 11:09.34 | somiaj | TerryG: hmm, I still use the woody installer personally, but then again I don't own any knew hardwear that needs the new installer |
| 11:10.04 | TerryG | ok, i'll try installing stable and upgrading |
| 11:10.05 | TerryG | cheers |
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| 11:10.16 | TerryG | (this is getting anoing) |
| 11:10.26 | jm_ | or just find out why it reboots and fix it |
| 11:10.35 | TerryG | it only does it on this pc |
| 11:10.43 | somiaj | TerryG: there are nice bf2.4 base mini installs I use |
| 11:10.46 | TerryG | it wont stay running long enough to look at logs or anything |
| 11:10.52 | TerryG | 80 seconds is all you get |
| 11:10.53 | directhex | terry, p4 on i845 chipset |
| 11:10.54 | TerryG | every time |
| 11:10.54 | jm_ | boot with init=/bin/bash |
| 11:11.04 | PMode | I've installed kernel-source-2.6.6 from debian/testing but the bzip-archive in /usr/src is broken. |
| 11:11.09 | TerryG | must be an intel problem then, i have i865 |
| 11:11.34 | somiaj | PMode: it is? did you check the BTS, and then check the debsum of the package... |
| 11:11.50 | directhex | you were having the problem on beta 4? |
| 11:11.54 | dad | somiaj: so then how do i install it? i'm familliar with apt-get but that doesn't seem right |
| 11:11.56 | TerryG | thanks for the info guys, i'll try stable, if that doesnt work either i may have to kick this pc out of the window |
| 11:12.07 | somiaj | dad: man dpkg, hint -i, --install |
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| 11:12.12 | directhex | give me the mobo first! |
| 11:12.15 | TerryG | i downloaded it about 3 hours ago |
| 11:12.17 | TerryG | lol |
| 11:12.20 | dad | somiaj: :) |
| 11:12.22 | directhex | hell, give me all the bits metter than me |
| 11:12.24 | directhex | *better |
| 11:12.25 | somiaj | dad: apt is just a front end to dpkg, which is what acually installs removes packages |
| 11:12.29 | TerryG | u may want the cpu too : p4 3.06ht |
| 11:12.41 | directhex | yeah, would go down well |
| 11:12.44 | dad | somiaj: thanks, i do appreciate! |
| 11:12.45 | TerryG | lol |
| 11:12.54 | directhex | the important one tho, is the mobo silver? |
| 11:13.06 | TerryG | i just bought it so i could run linux quickly |
| 11:13.17 | TerryG | no, its blue/green |
| 11:13.17 | TerryG | ;-) |
| 11:13.26 | directhex | bleh |
| 11:13.26 | TerryG | gigabyte 8inxp |
| 11:13.31 | directhex | silver for teh win |
| 11:13.46 | directhex | http://www.bit-tech.net/images/review/191/10.jpg |
| 11:14.14 | TerryG | funky, not enough ide controllers though |
| 11:14.19 | TerryG | this one is loaded down |
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| 11:14.26 | TerryG | raid, sata and a promise card |
| 11:14.57 | TerryG | i was running xp on it as an edonkey server but xp is too unstable and slow |
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| 11:16.15 | PMode | somiaj: I've created a md5sum, but can't find a md5sum at packages.debian.org for this package. What does BTS mean? |
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| 11:16.51 | jm_ | PMode: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.md5sum |
| 11:17.10 | arkane | supose i wanted to install X from apt-get, what would be the propper command? |
| 11:17.11 | jm_ | md5sums not md5sum |
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| 11:17.17 | jm_ | arkane: use tasksel |
| 11:17.38 | petemc | jm_: do you still recommend that, even tho it trys to install kde and gnome? |
| 11:17.46 | jm_ | petemc: tasksel ? |
| 11:17.50 | petemc | yeah |
| 11:17.54 | Guerin | arkane: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:17.58 | petemc | nope |
| 11:18.07 | petemc | x-window-system, |
| 11:18.07 | arkane | thanks Guerin |
| 11:18.10 | jm_ | hmm X window system and desktop environment are different tasks in woody |
| 11:18.18 | carlo_latino | hello.. i have a little issue with vsftp, can anyone help? We have a requirement to setup an ftp user account (i.e. ftp_admin) with several directories under the users home directory (i.e. user1, user2, user3) with individual ftp logins of their own. This effectively allows the ftp_admin user to access all the ftp users files while each individual user ftp login can only access the files in their directory. The problem we have is th |
| 11:18.20 | Guerin | petemc is right |
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| 11:18.32 | PMode | nevyn: no package starting with kernel-* has a file with ending md5sum or md5sums. |
| 11:18.33 | somiaj | PMode: BTS=bugs.debian.org (the bug tracking system) |
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| 11:18.37 | arkane | ok |
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| 11:18.46 | petemc | jm_: ahh, i just have a dislike for tasksel :) |
| 11:19.09 | PMode | somiaj: BTS doesn't say anything about my problem. |
| 11:19.13 | jm_ | petemc: well I don't use it myself either, but it's probably the most simple solution for people that have to ask such questions |
| 11:19.25 | somiaj | PMode: what is the problem exactly, the .bz file won't extract? |
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| 11:21.42 | arkane | so, if i by 'Accident' installed first KDE with aptitude, will that affect in anyway the x-window-system install? |
| 11:22.24 | Shadur | arkane: Nope |
| 11:22.41 | arkane | ok |
| 11:22.43 | Guerin | w00t |
| 11:22.58 | thomas_adam | arkane: No, x-window-system is an alternative preference (man update-alternatives) |
| 11:23.00 | Guerin | .me just asked his wife to go to she shop for beer.... and she went :) |
| 11:23.18 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Presumably she knows her place in the kitchen too? :P) |
| 11:23.26 | Guerin | thomas_adam: yeah, left right out |
| 11:23.49 | Guerin | thomas_adam: I cook, she cleans, we argue about the boundaries, that's the deal :) |
| 11:24.16 | thomas_adam | arkane: And in a more general sense, x-window-system is a meta package so if it is removed, it matters not. |
| 11:24.22 | thomas_adam | Guerin: heh. |
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| 11:26.36 | aZ[a]ZeL | hmm, my sister downloaded that hotbar thing for IE.. :/ |
| 11:26.46 | aZ[a]ZeL | looks like spyware to me |
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| 11:27.07 | aZ[a]ZeL | not sure if it is malicious though |
| 11:27.08 | jm_ | most of them are |
| 11:27.22 | aZ[a]ZeL | the license says "it collects no personally identifiable information" |
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| 11:27.47 | sussudio | and the reason anyone is still using IE...? |
| 11:28.00 | thomas_adam | !start a webbrowser war |
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| 11:28.17 | petemc | ie is the most standards complaint browser! |
| 11:28.23 | petemc | bah |
| 11:28.33 | sussudio | petemc: exactly |
| 11:28.36 | Rayeh | I feel dirty just reading that |
| 11:28.39 | petemc | heh |
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| 11:28.53 | petemc | freudian slip |
| 11:29.00 | thomas_adam | he did? |
| 11:29.01 | thomas_adam | when? |
| 11:29.09 | petemc | while ago, off his head on coke |
| 11:29.14 | thomas_adam | ah |
| 11:29.19 | thomas_adam | interpreting dreams? |
| 11:29.32 | petemc | must have been |
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| 11:30.16 | Guerin | i have tried and failed to convert my windows lamer friends to firecritter |
| 11:30.19 | arkane | i am planning on using FVWM and just installing the libraries for gnome an kde so i can run apps developed for each of them |
| 11:30.21 | aZ[a]ZeL | googling for "hotbar spyware" returns interesting results |
| 11:30.34 | aZ[a]ZeL | I've tried so hard to get my sister to switch from IE |
| 11:30.36 | Guerin | they gotst to have their evil toolbars |
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| 11:30.44 | aZ[a]ZeL | I keep telling her that other browers are SO MUCH BETTER |
| 11:30.47 | herbi | Guerin, tried and failed? wow. every person who i install thunderbird/firefox on their computers hasnt looked back |
| 11:31.03 | Rayeh | my family loves firefox |
| 11:31.14 | Guerin | herbi: I know, my wife and mother took to it, but then, they also took to linux in general |
| 11:31.18 | Rayeh | just had to install it and delete the IE icon and get them to use it first |
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| 11:31.24 | mufa | when I try to isntall samba on a debian sid I got an error : "samba: Depends: libcupsys2-gnutls10 (>= 1.1.20final-1) but it is not going to be installed" any idea how could I fix that? |
| 11:31.29 | Guerin | herbi: but to the others IE = intarweb |
| 11:31.31 | PMode | somiaj: yes, I can't extract the .bz and I have no reference md5sum to check whether my file is broken. |
| 11:31.32 | herbi | Guerin, on win32, firefox loads just as fast as ie6 and parses pages the same so they barely notice. it just has better user icons and a built in download manager with no popups. |
| 11:31.42 | Guerin | mufa: it's broken at the moment, just wait |
| 11:31.45 | Rayeh | my sister wants to use linux just because I showed her some of the apps that have penguins in em |
| 11:31.51 | Guerin | mufa: check the BTS for more details |
| 11:32.10 | Guerin | herbi: yeah, but there's no little blue e... |
| 11:32.16 | herbi | Rayeh, yeah haha my friend wanted to stop using MSN 6.0 and switch to amsn (amsn.sf.net this is not a plug) because the default theme was a penguin one |
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| 11:32.17 | Guerin | Rayeh: heh, that's cool |
| 11:32.21 | mufa | Guerin: thank you |
| 11:32.23 | aZ[a]ZeL | what's the best spyware removal tool? spybot seek-and-destroy? I don't really run windows, so I'm in the dark here what to do for her.. |
| 11:32.25 | herbi | Guerin, you can make it have a little blue e rather easily |
| 11:32.30 | Rayeh | ;p |
| 11:32.38 | herbi | aZ[a]ZeL, yeah. i use it to service computers |
| 11:32.40 | Guerin | aZ[a]ZeL: yeah, spybot seems better than ad-aware |
| 11:32.41 | saloxin | open up gimp, draw a blue 'e', save as firefox.xpm, done |
| 11:32.47 | jm_ | aZ[a]ZeL: adaware, spybot |
| 11:32.49 | somiaj | PMode: hmm, you could try to --purge and reinstall it and see if that helps... |
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| 11:33.05 | petemc | aZ[a]ZeL: a combination of spybot, cwshredder and some sysinternals tools, autoruns and tcpview are good |
| 11:33.12 | herbi | aZ[a]ZeL, i run my own onsite it support business and i tell you right now that spybot > adaware in 100% of situations |
| 11:33.24 | Guerin | saloxin: that's jjust one small example though |
| 11:33.25 | mufa | Guerin: I guess I have to wait |
| 11:33.34 | arkane | aZ[a]ZeL, use a tool called Hijack-This, it will help you solve the problem |
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| 11:33.51 | saloxin | Guerin: it does wonders for public machines, where 'e' means internet for most ppl |
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| 11:34.36 | herbi | Guerin, afaik you can get an ie6 theme for firefox, coupled with the right usericons, and youre ready to play |
| 11:34.36 | PMode | somiaj: i've removed, downloaded and installed the package again. |
| 11:34.39 | herbi | they wont even notice. |
| 11:34.47 | Guerin | saloxin: yeah, definitely |
| 11:34.53 | Guerin | mufa: sad, but true |
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| 11:35.09 | aZ[a]ZeL | thanks guys |
| 11:35.12 | Guerin | saloxin: they'll think, hrm, this internet explorer looks somehow different |
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| 11:35.22 | herbi | Guerin, it doesnt matter. just say its a new version! |
| 11:35.24 | Guerin | (if they get that far) |
| 11:35.26 | aZ[a]ZeL | just informing her about firefox.. :) |
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| 11:35.27 | somiaj | PMode: just double checking, you are extracting the package correctly? (what error do you get) |
| 11:35.33 | Guerin | herbi: heh, yeah :) |
| 11:35.47 | herbi | Guerin, most people beg me to install firefox when i tell them about it |
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| 11:36.10 | Guerin | herbi: I had to convinvce my friends to install win2k instead of 98 :( |
| 11:36.20 | herbi | firefox: popup blocking - check ; built in download manager - check; pretty icons - check ; less chance of virus infection/browser exploit - check. |
| 11:36.24 | Guerin | herbi: now I just leave them to their pain and suffering |
| 11:36.26 | floAty_ | kernelquestion: is it recommended to use a self-compiled ldm with a pre-compiled kernel image ? |
| 11:36.27 | herbi | ie6 - cross ; cross; cross ;cross |
| 11:36.39 | jm_ | floAty_: sure, why not |
| 11:37.03 | floAty_ | someone told me it was not |
| 11:37.19 | herbi | Guerin, and the people i install it for are your classic finnicky luser. useless on the computer, but they adore firefox |
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| 11:37.51 | mufa | Guerin: too bad I have to stay without samba and cups :(( |
| 11:37.54 | herbi | Guerin, i had one guy who i installed mozilla 1.0 a LONG time ago on his boxen, he heard about firefox/thunderbird and downloaded them both on dialup because he liked them so much |
| 11:37.56 | jm_ | they're wrong - that's why they give you kernel-headers packages as well |
| 11:37.56 | Guerin | herbi: one piece at a time, and it didn't cost me a dime ... that's how I think *nix will take over |
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| 11:38.09 | herbi | it wont be *nix |
| 11:38.16 | Guerin | mufa: yeah - shouldn't be long, though, you can bet the devs are working day and night on it |
| 11:38.38 | herbi | my prediction is linux distributions like mandrake, rh, and suse will gain marketshare about equal to apples current one, then things will be downhill from there |
| 11:38.46 | aZ[a]ZeL | heh, my sister said the popup blocker was on the computer when she bought it,... but I remember correctly, it came with MSBlaster pre-installed also :) |
| 11:38.46 | somiaj | anyone know of a page that describes the 'debian patches' that are put on top of the kernel? |
| 11:38.53 | herbi | but freebsd and debian will remain rather untouched by the whole hubbub |
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| 11:39.10 | hinjo | what's the source URL for the packages.debian.org so I can put it in my /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 11:39.17 | herbi | i prefer netbsd to all the other bsds personally, but yeah it seems like freebsd is the most popular |
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| 11:39.33 | herbi | hinjo, run apt-setup :) |
| 11:39.43 | aZ[a]ZeL | how do we keep the bottom-feeding scum away from linux? |
| 11:39.43 | herbi | hinjo, itll make your life a lot easier |
| 11:39.52 | herbi | especially since you dont seem to know what youre doing :P |
| 11:39.53 | somiaj | !tell -itom about away |
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| 11:40.11 | herbi | aZ[a]ZeL, i could ask an equally valid question by your logic. how do i keep YOU away from linux? |
| 11:40.16 | somiaj | hmm |
| 11:40.16 | somiaj | never mind |
| 11:40.24 | herbi | linux is free to all. who designated you as the protector and guardian of linux? |
| 11:40.55 | aZ[a]ZeL | herbi: yeah I know it's free to all |
| 11:40.55 | herbi | elitist attitudes arent welcomed by me, and i doubt much of the channel disagrees |
| 11:41.10 | aZ[a]ZeL | I can feel elitist over scumware providers if I want |
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| 11:41.23 | mufa | Guerin: I am sure they are |
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| 11:41.31 | xerophyte | Does anybody use ethereal, if so how can see the packet from myserver which user send the packet is there anyway i can see which user sending the packet |
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| 11:41.34 | Guerin | well, my pollo con melocotones is ready |
| 11:41.38 | hinjo | herbi: I'll try that |
| 11:41.51 | jm_ | xerophyte: no, iptables can help with that |
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| 11:42.08 | herbi | xerophyte, your english is broken, but i think what youre looking for is a combination of ethereal, iptables and netstat |
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| 11:42.23 | xerophyte | jm_ i am aware you can make rule with user, but is there any way to see which u ser send the packet to help me with rule |
| 11:42.51 | herbi | xerophyte, e.g. "hmm there appears to be lots of traffic to port 444. `netstat -tulanp | grep 444`...hmm it appears user foo is doing bar!" |
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| 11:43.10 | herbi | that usually works rather well |
| 11:43.12 | jm_ | xerophyte: well you can always create different log chains for the users, or maybe look at ULOG if it can log more info |
| 11:43.41 | xerophyte | herbi and jm_ thx |
| 11:43.56 | herbi | xerophyte, youre welcome. please use proper english though :) |
| 11:44.05 | herbi | thx isnt as satisfying as thanks! :P |
| 11:44.14 | herbi | it makes me feel like you dont love me:( |
| 11:44.35 | floAty_ | im using aptitude, how can i find out if a kernel-package supports ldm ? |
| 11:44.38 | Xip | Wow, first time here and I'm enjoying myself already. |
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| 11:44.59 | jm_ | floAty_: what is ldm ? |
| 11:45.10 | herbi | Xip, i bet youd feel even better if you help people :) |
| 11:45.17 | floAty_ | loadably modules |
| 11:45.28 | jm_ | floAty_: it has its config file in /boot |
| 11:45.31 | Xip | I'm sure I would, but I'm here for help myself actually ;) |
| 11:45.45 | herbi | floAty_, loadable modules are are more commonly reffered to as lkm (loadable kernel modules) |
| 11:45.51 | jm_ | and yeah, I think pretty much all of them have that option turned on |
| 11:45.51 | herbi | ldm is slightly confusing |
| 11:45.56 | herbi | Xip, whats the problem? |
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| 11:46.13 | pngwn | MenekShe^,lay off the porn offer on joins |
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| 11:46.33 | herbi | looks like we have an onjoiner |
| 11:46.46 | xerophyte | All the sudden my man pages displaying strange chars does anybody know why ? |
| 11:46.58 | jm_ | xerophyte: what's your locale set to ? |
| 11:47.24 | herbi | tv time! |
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| 11:48.18 | z|bandito | http://www.shmater.com/richardsimmonsinegypt.jpg |
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| 11:49.09 | xerophyte | jm_ how can i check that its happened after instaleld and run iftop |
| 11:50.16 | jm_ | xerophyte: how can you check what ? |
| 11:50.16 | floAty_ | sry. so i can change that in /boot/config* ? |
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| 11:50.16 | sunny256 | Anyone care to kick MenekShe^ ? Spamming porn links on join |
| 11:50.16 | Blutgerinsel | There are any germans? |
| 11:51.31 | Hyp3rion | #debian-de |
| 11:51.31 | Hyp3rion | #debian.de |
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| 11:51.31 | Hyp3rion | whatever bah |
| 11:51.31 | Blutgerinsel | thanks |
| 11:51.31 | Quibus | hi all |
| 11:51.31 | PMode | somiaj: I can install the package, but the kernel-source-2.6.6.tar.bz in /usr/src is corrupt. I've tried a version of the package from ftp.us.debian.org beside my apt (ftp.de.debian.org). |
| 11:51.31 | Quibus | I just booted 2.6 |
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| 11:51.31 | Quibus | But what should I replace /dev/psaux with? |
| 11:51.31 | saloxin | PMode: kernel-source-2.6.6.tar.bz2 works fine here |
| 11:51.31 | petemc | !tell Quibus about 2.6 mouse |
| 11:51.31 | Quibus | thanks :) |
| 11:51.31 | petemc | didnt work |
| 11:51.31 | Quibus | indeed |
| 11:51.31 | petemc | !test |
| 11:51.31 | Quibus | !tell me about 2.6 mouse |
| 11:51.31 | Quibus | ;-) |
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| 11:51.31 | petemc | apt, 2.6 mouse |
| 11:51.36 | apt | petemc: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 11:51.36 | PMode | saloxin: thanks for this advice. |
| 11:51.36 | jm_ | floAty_: that will have little effect |
| 11:51.36 | xerophyte | jm_ LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
