| 00:00.25 | hlen | MadMike, thanks.. shouldn't the driver be loaded at boot time? it's not needed for a console? |
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| 00:00.56 | Noidman | are there any known-working USB NICs for Linux? |
| 00:01.03 | MadMike77 | hlen: nope |
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| 00:01.18 | hlen | MadMike77, interesting |
| 00:01.20 | MadMike77 | hlen: unless you are using a x-terminal of course |
| 00:01.54 | McCheese | I'm using Mandrake but this may be able to be answered by one of you. I have to run DHclient after startup to get online. How can I set up my network settings correctly so this is not needed? |
| 00:02.34 | pahli_bar | Noidman: http://www.linux-usb.org/devices.html |
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| 00:02.54 | pahli_bar | McCheese: #mandrake |
| 00:03.09 | McCheese | They are not helping in there. |
| 00:03.14 | McCheese | That is why I tried here. |
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| 00:03.43 | pahli_bar | mandrake network setup is not necessarily same as in debian. |
| 00:03.52 | McCheese | Okay, thank you. |
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| 00:05.03 | mentor | hlen: 'Controlling your my video card'? |
| 00:05.07 | mentor | s/your// |
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| 00:07.16 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: gay? |
| 00:07.16 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 00:07.31 | FlyByte | can someone here tell me the location of the debian boot up screens? |
| 00:07.45 | mentor | FieldySnuts: moo? |
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| 00:07.53 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: mooo |
| 00:07.53 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: wish i knew |
| 00:07.55 | mentor | FlyByte: Compiled into the kernel? |
| 00:07.58 | pahli_bar | FlyByte: lilo/grub? |
| 00:08.09 | FlyByte | i was just wanting to add some new ones |
| 00:08.15 | FlyByte | lilo |
| 00:08.34 | FlyByte | sorry, i think it is grub |
| 00:08.47 | pahli_bar | /boot/grub/ |
| 00:09.02 | FlyByte | ok thanks |
| 00:09.09 | FlyByte | man this debian sure is smooth |
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| 00:09.20 | hlen | mentor, what's the matter? |
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| 00:09.50 | Drizzt321|laptop | mentor: m00 |
| 00:09.56 | Drizzt321|laptop | apt-get moo :) |
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| 00:10.16 | mentor | Drizzt321|laptop: Gael? |
| 00:10.32 | Drizzt321|laptop | mentor: huh? |
| 00:10.35 | mentor | hlen: Have you solved you rproblem? |
| 00:10.44 | mentor | Drizzt321|laptop: nm, must be a common reference. |
| 00:10.47 | Drizzt321|laptop | mentor: Gaols? |
| 00:10.52 | Drizzt321|laptop | mentor: have you heard the cow song? |
| 00:10.59 | Drizzt321|laptop | mentor: I Am Cow? |
| 00:11.04 | mentor | Drizzt321|laptop: umm...no...do I want to? |
| 00:11.10 | Drizzt321|laptop | mentor: probably, msg you? |
| 00:11.15 | hlen | mentor, I guess |
| 00:11.23 | mentor | hlen: nm then :) |
| 00:11.30 | mentor | Drizzt321|laptop: With what? |
| 00:11.31 | AeroSpace | Is dspam not available for Debian or can I just not find the package name? I've seen it mentioned on slashdot a couple times now. |
| 00:11.33 | hlen | mentor, ok :) |
| 00:11.38 | mentor | Drizzt321|laptop: Lyrics? |
| 00:11.42 | Drizzt321|laptop | mentor: url |
| 00:11.49 | mentor | Drizzt321|laptop: Go on then. |
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| 00:12.01 | mentor | ~find dspam |
| 00:12.14 | MadMike77 | sorry got to go to bed, cu all |
| 00:12.24 | Drizzt321|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:12.44 | tom1234 | Hi, Do you guys know which package has gtkthml-sharp? I'm trying to compile dashboard, and its a requirement, and I'd like apt-get it if possible. |
| 00:13.24 | mentor | ~info diablo |
| 00:13.49 | mentor | AeroSpace: Doesn't look available; check the wnpp in bts? |
| 00:13.55 | AeroSpace | mentor: None of them sound like a spam fighting program. |
| 00:14.19 | AeroSpace | mentor: Thanks I'll try to find wnpp. |
| 00:14.21 | Penix | tom1234: man apt-cache; apt-cache search gtkhtml |
| 00:14.25 | madTi | n8 |
| 00:14.52 | tom1234 | penix: So it is part of the gtkhtml package?? I wasn't sure, because its a sharp deal. |
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| 00:15.15 | tom1234 | penix: I allready have that package installed, perhaps I need the -dev |
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| 00:15.20 | Penix | tom1234: no idea. apt-cache search <whateverthehellyou'relookingfor> |
| 00:15.33 | tom1234 | Penix: I know, I've tried that. No luck. |
| 00:15.34 | mentor | tom1234: Yes, that would be required to do development. |
| 00:15.35 | Penix | tom1234: if there's no sharp packages, check www.apt-get.org |
| 00:15.47 | AeroSpace | mentor: It's there, thanks. |
| 00:15.54 | mentor | tom1234: You might also want build-essential too. |
| 00:16.00 | mentor | AeroSpace: spiffy. |
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| 00:16.17 | tom1234 | mentor: build-essential? |
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| 00:16.31 | mentor | tom1234: Essential stuff for building. |
| 00:16.37 | mentor | ~find gtkhtml |
| 00:16.50 | tom1234 | mentor: gtkhtml-sharp isn't in there :( |
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| 00:17.00 | Drizzt321|laptop | mentor: hows I Am Cow? |
| 00:17.11 | mentor | haha. Quite funny. |
| 00:17.27 | tom1234 | ~find gtkhtml-sharp |
| 00:17.33 | Drizzt321|laptop | mentor: your welcome |
| 00:17.46 | mentor | .dll |
| 00:17.57 | tom1234 | .dll?? This isn't windoze! |
| 00:18.06 | Penix | tom1234: no. this is mono |
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| 00:18.26 | tom1234 | Penix: Yeah, it is mono, Dashboard looks like a pretty cool peice of software. |
| 00:18.35 | tom1234 | I wanted to give it a try, even though its only in CVS |
| 00:18.56 | pahli_bar | tom1234: maybe gtk-sharp has it already |
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| 00:19.10 | tom1234 | pahli_bar: Tried it allready :( |
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| 00:19.48 | zezom | some of my mail just bounced because the remote server is complaining that Domain of sender address zezom@zezom does not |
| 00:19.49 | zezom | +exist |
| 00:20.06 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: lose apt |
| 00:20.07 | dpkg | apt: You Lose. |
| 00:20.09 | apt | wish i knew, dpkg |
| 00:20.10 | zezom | what should I set it to/how to I set it? |
| 00:20.23 | mentor | zezom: Sounds like it doesn't. |
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| 00:20.37 | mdh | zezom: that doesn't look like a valid domain name |
| 00:20.43 | zezom | mentor, well it dosn't technicaly exist.. that's my box |
| 00:20.44 | mentor | zezom: You need to set hte local domain perhaps? |
| 00:20.47 | Drizzt321|laptop | bbiab |
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| 00:21.19 | mdh | zezom: you may need to look at messing with canonicalisation |
| 00:21.21 | zezom | domain homelinux.com is in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:21.39 | zezom | would it be exim that's not looking at that? |
| 00:21.42 | zezom | or mutt |
| 00:21.47 | mdh | zezom: to convert your fake domain to one that's valid on the internet |
| 00:21.51 | FieldySnuts | hi sussudio |
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| 00:22.03 | mdh | zezom: both |
| 00:23.04 | zezom | mdh, when I do a hostname I only get zezom instead of zezom.homelinux.com like I should? |
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| 00:24.31 | mentor | zezom: You need a 'search'' line in your resolv.,conf |
| 00:24.34 | mdh | zezom: "hostname -f" |
| 00:24.45 | zezom | whoa! ... I odn't think I'll be doing a /etc/init.d/hostname restart any time soon again :p |
| 00:24.50 | mdh | since hostname by default returns the hostname, not the fully-qualified domain name |
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| 00:25.03 | zezom | mdh, it's still zezom with the -f |
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| 00:25.21 | zezom | mentor, search qld.optushome.com.au is in thre |
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| 00:25.58 | mentor | zezom: And how will that get you back to homelinux.com? |
| 00:26.01 | mentor | zezom: man resolv,conf |
| 00:26.17 | mdh | s/,/\./ |
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| 00:26.20 | zezom | mentor, homelinux.com is my box |
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| 00:26.41 | mentor | zezom: So why are you searching hte qld.hostname.com domain? |
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| 00:26.46 | mentor | zezom: man resolv.conf |
| 00:26.50 | zezom | because that's my isp |
| 00:26.57 | zezom | I'm using dyndns for the url |
| 00:26.57 | mentor | zezom: man resolv.conf |
| 00:27.06 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: say apt: say dpkg: fuck you |
| 00:27.06 | dpkg | apt: say dpkg: fuck you |
| 00:27.11 | apt | dpkg: fuck you |
| 00:27.29 | mentor | FieldySnuts: Yes...Thanks you...if you want to messa orund, do so in #debian-bots. |
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| 00:27.35 | Fil2005 | i started fluxbox, but mouse is too slow and the option resolution in XF86Config makes no difference, whats the problem? |
| 00:27.51 | mentor | yorkb: You can messa round elsewhere too. |
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| 00:28.25 | BobSpongeRulz | hi |
| 00:28.37 | BobSpongeRulz | im c4 |
| 00:28.40 | mentor | Fil2005: : Does this always happen whatever xclient oyu use? |
| 00:28.58 | mentor | :/ |
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| 00:29.02 | FieldySnuts | :x |
| 00:29.04 | BobSpongeRulz | Loop Di Loop?... tie the shoes? |
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| 00:29.48 | BobSpongeRulz | damn, im going back to infance |
| 00:29.50 | FieldySnuts | yes! |
| 00:29.52 | FieldySnuts | i mean no |
| 00:30.07 | BobSpongeRulz | cafuego! good night the worm your honour |
| 00:30.22 | FieldySnuts | bring down the wall!! |
| 00:30.24 | mentor | fIt's not Sunday... |
| 00:30.29 | cafuego | BobSpongeRulz: I have a t-shirt, bright yellow, with your face on it. |
| 00:30.47 | Fil2005 | mentor i only tried fluxbox cause my machine is old |
| 00:31.09 | BobSpongeRulz | damn!... i can't find that here, only S size t-shirts |
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| 00:31.17 | mickeyks | i like fluxbox |
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| 00:31.46 | mentor | Fil2005: When you say slow? Do you mean that it moves slowly or jerkily? |
| 00:31.46 | Fil2005 | i like it too but slow mouse sucks |
| 00:31.47 | BobSpongeRulz | fluxbox is cool, little, fast, for poor ppl like me |
| 00:32.05 | mickeyks | what's slow mouse? |
| 00:32.12 | Fil2005 | mentor it moves slowly |
| 00:32.12 | FieldySnuts | one in a trap |
| 00:32.15 | cafuego | slip more patties, amke more money.. or just steal it from mr crabs. |
| 00:32.21 | BobSpongeRulz | yes, what the hek is slow mouse |
| 00:32.22 | cafuego | s/slip/flip/ |
| 00:32.27 | FieldySnuts | !stone cafuego |
| 00:32.33 | FieldySnuts | that's not what I was thinking.. |
| 00:32.35 | Fil2005 | mickeyks it's a mouse that is slow |
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| 00:32.53 | cafuego | bit |
| 00:32.53 | mickeyks | Fil2005: ok i get what you're saying |
| 00:32.54 | cafuego | urgh |
| 00:32.58 | BobSpongeRulz | lopi loop |
| 00:33.05 | mentor | Fil2005: Is there any lag between you moving hte mouse and the pointer moving? |
| 00:33.08 | mickeyks | cafuego: how's your health |
| 00:33.19 | mickeyks | firefox runs very slow for me |
| 00:33.19 | Maddas | hi. I've got a quick question, which .deb should I get if I want to be able to run compile .java files to .class files and execute those? |
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| 00:33.23 | Maddas | I'm a bit confused to what I need |
| 00:33.30 | Maddas | s/to/about/ |
| 00:33.30 | mentor | BobSpongeRulz: Have you got anything helpful to add to the channel? |
| 00:33.37 | cafuego | mickeyks: Not as good as when i was your age, but you know, mustn't grumble. |
| 00:33.41 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: badgersmite Bob |
| 00:33.46 | mentor | Maddas: One form an unoffical source supporting java,. |
| 00:33.50 | mickeyks | cafuego: i bet you're not much older than me |
| 00:33.51 | Fil2005 | mentor: yes! |
| 00:33.52 | mentor | FieldySnuts: Stop it. |
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| 00:34.02 | cafuego | mickeyks: You're as old as you feel eh |
| 00:34.06 | Maddas | mentor: hm, ok |
| 00:34.08 | Fil2005 | much lag |
| 00:34.09 | mentor | Fil2005: Sounds just like you have a slow machine really :/ |
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| 00:34.20 | mickeyks | cafuego: well then, i'm 12 |
| 00:34.30 | cafuego | mickeyks: 50-ish here |
| 00:34.36 | FieldySnuts | i'm -9 |
| 00:34.37 | Fil2005 | mentor: it's a amd k-6 500 with 128Mb ram and riva tnt 16mb graphic card |
| 00:35.03 | mentor | Fil2005: Well, that's what I've got, and I'm not experiencing any problems... |
| 00:35.14 | Fil2005 | :'( |
| 00:35.21 | Fil2005 | damn |
| 00:35.24 | Maddas | I can't find any that don't require me to go online and download the SDK, my debian installation has no internet access :-( |
| 00:35.38 | mentor | cafuego: I was your age when I was as old as you. |
| 00:35.45 | Juarez | Hey.. I'm trying to install stable over a network.. I have a 3c509 card, I install the driver, it brings the interface up, and it wont ping anything but itself.. any ideas? |
| 00:35.45 | Fil2005 | i'm going to restart and pray for a miracle |
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| 00:35.58 | mentor | Fil2005: Definately sounds like a performance problem rather than mouseproblem...what kinfd of mouse? |
| 00:36.00 | Pr1nc3ss|Kat | i have 2 questions.... |
| 00:36.04 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 00:36.04 | mentor | Fil2005: Check your load meteR? |
| 00:36.04 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of sex-crazed weasels. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 00:36.16 | mdh | you're only as old as the woman you feel |
| 00:36.16 | mentor | Fil2005: DMA enabled on your hard drives? Have you got swaop? |
| 00:36.23 | Pr1nc3ss|Kat | are iptables turned on by default in debian? |
| 00:36.23 | Fil2005 | mentor: load meter? where? :X |
| 00:36.31 | cafuego | mdh: don't be might neighbour :-P |
| 00:36.32 | Pr1nc3ss|Kat | and what could make an irc server keep closing? |
| 00:36.35 | Fil2005 | mentor yes i have swap and dma |
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| 00:36.43 | sussudio | swaop? slaon pao! |
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| 00:36.58 | Penix | cafuego: you rebel |
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| 00:37.07 | mentor | Fil2005: Fil2005top? |
| 00:37.19 | mickeyks | what is this elusive "QT development package" that i seem to be missing |
| 00:37.35 | mdh | umm.. how can you fart out a window in an airplane? they're sealed |
| 00:37.43 | mentor | Pr1nc3ss|Kat: yes, afaik, and: someone who keeps stopping it. |
| 00:37.47 | Fil2005 | mentor: what? |
| 00:37.50 | cafuego | You run an all-day session for 250 of their top managers and do you get a free business class ticket home...? |
| 00:37.53 | pahli_bar | mickeyks: apt-cache search QT development |
| 00:37.55 | Deep7 | anyone done any low level disk recovery... I accidently began formating my "entire" disk win win98 instead of just the first partition.... I stopped it @ 4% when I realized what was going on..... |
| 00:37.55 | mdh | sealed so people can do benign yet important things like, say, breathe |
| 00:37.57 | mentor | Fil2005: apt-cache search kde lib dev |
| 00:38.00 | mentor | meh |
| 00:38.03 | cafuego | very uncollaborative... |
| 00:38.09 | mentor | mickeyks: apt-cache search kde lib dev |
| 00:38.17 | Pr1nc3ss|Kat | noone is stopping it..the server just keeps closing it (ircd) |
| 00:38.18 | Penix | cafuego can't afford those fancy 737's. he flys open cockpit tigermoth's with jetstar |
| 00:38.28 | FieldySnuts | penix :) |
| 00:38.32 | Pr1nc3ss|Kat | what is afaik? |
| 00:38.36 | Penix | !+afaik |
| 00:38.36 | mentor | ~afaik |
| 00:38.37 | apt | it has been said that afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, as far as I know. |
| 00:38.37 | dpkg | hmm... afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, as far as I know. |
| 00:38.39 | FieldySnuts | a random collection of words |
| 00:38.41 | Deep7 | I need to try and recover my /home off a partition on the same disk... |
| 00:38.43 | cafuego | @afaik |
| 00:38.44 | mentor | heh |
| 00:38.44 | ravenbird | AFAIK, "AFAIK" means As Far As I Know. But YMMV. |
| 00:38.48 | Fil2005 | mentor: kdelibs-dev - KDE core libraries (development files) ? |
| 00:38.49 | cafuego | (just to be complete) |
| 00:38.51 | pahli_bar | heh |
| 00:38.53 | mdh | Penix: :) it's "Pornstar" btw |
| 00:38.54 | debian | !ymmv |
| 00:38.54 | dpkg | from memory, ymmv is your mileage may vary. [From 200 litres per km to 200 km per litre.] |
| 00:38.56 | Juarez | Any ideas why my 3c509 (ISA) card is not communicating? |
| 00:39.07 | FieldySnuts | probably because it's isa |
| 00:39.12 | mentor | Fil2005: Sorry, that was not aaimed at you, but htanks for ebign so quick to respond. |
| 00:39.15 | Juarez | Bah :P |
| 00:39.21 | Pr1nc3ss|Kat | could that be why the ircd keeps closing...because of the iptables? |
| 00:39.21 | Fil2005 | mentor :P ok |
| 00:39.22 | mentor | mickeyks: Or perhaps apt-cache search qd dev |
| 00:39.24 | Deep7 | anyone? |
| 00:39.34 | mentor | Fil2005: 'top'. |
| 00:39.35 | Penix | heh |
| 00:39.37 | Juarez | Even redhat could use the card |
| 00:39.51 | Penix | I can't talk anyway. never even been on a plane |
| 00:39.55 | Deep7 | Juarez, did you do all the isapnpdump stuff? |
| 00:39.59 | mentor | Gah. Must be the night shift. |
| 00:40.02 | cafuego | not that you'repartially right, but the CLIENT can afford 767's ;-) |
| 00:40.04 | Juarez | Umm, no |
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| 00:40.10 | mdh | Penix: they're like women... you'll always remember your first |
| 00:40.10 | Deep7 | Juarez, that'd be wise |
| 00:40.13 | FieldySnuts | mentor: you love it |
| 00:40.15 | cafuego | hell, the client has 50 of 'em |
| 00:40.21 | mickeyks | mentor: that didn't yield anything. i'm installing libqt3-dev and friends |
| 00:40.36 | Deep7 | cafuego, hey buddy pay attention I've got a crisis! :) |
| 00:40.37 | cascardo | you should afford and ERJ-45 |
| 00:40.42 | Fil2005 | mentor: i'm going to restart, tks for all your help |
| 00:41.10 | cafuego | Deep7: uh, cookies? |
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| 00:41.20 | Deep7 | yup lots of em....any kind you like |
| 00:41.21 | mentor | mickeyks: You might try correcting my typo. |
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| 00:41.41 | mentor | Oh well.. |
| 00:41.51 | Pr1nc3ss|Kat | could that be why the ircd keeps closing...because of the iptables?? |
| 00:41.56 | mentor | hot plug power supplies are fun... |
| 00:42.02 | Deep7 | mentor, 2650's are better |
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| 00:42.10 | Deep7 | rack mount! |
| 00:42.17 | z|bandito | i'm solar cooking! |
| 00:42.19 | z|bandito | i'm heating indian food in their little boil pouches using my 6' cardboard and tinfoil solar reflector dish |
| 00:42.21 | z|bandito | friggin thing is BRIGHT. like the sky was looking red there for a minute... |
| 00:42.33 | mentor | Deep7...yeah if only someone had been clever enough to put a large enough erack in. |
| 00:42.53 | mickeyks | does xconfig suck? |
| 00:42.55 | mentor | ~tell Pr1nc3ss|Kat about repeat. |
| 00:42.56 | mentor | ~tell Pr1nc3ss|Kat about repeat |
| 00:43.02 | mentor | ~tell mentor about repeat |
| 00:43.04 | FieldySnuts | heh irony |
| 00:43.06 | g4lt | z|bandito then WTF are you doihng on IRC. you're supposed to be ROUGHING IT |
| 00:43.15 | mentor | Pr1nc3ss|Kat: Yes. but ou could check the logs for ircd and find out maybe? |
| 00:43.31 | z|bandito | nah, if i had cel reception i'd be on irc from next to the dish |
| 00:43.32 | z|bandito | ;) |
| 00:43.34 | Pr1nc3ss|Kat | it didnt state in the logs |
| 00:43.38 | z|bandito | next up, solar irc! =p |
| 00:43.39 | mentor | g4lt: : His terms onlt 40x12! |
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| 00:43.47 | mentor | Pr1nc3ss|Kat: Increase the debugging level? |
| 00:43.51 | mentor | Pr1nc3ss|Kat: strace? |
| 00:43.55 | mentor | Pr1nc3ss|Kat: gdb! |
| 00:43.56 | Doogs | newbie question: gdm or xdm? |
| 00:44.04 | mickeyks | gdm |
| 00:44.06 | mentor | Doogs: yes |
| 00:44.08 | peterS | mentor: better than 36x3 on a pager with just a couple of buttons for input |
| 00:44.12 | mentor | Doogs: For waht? |
| 00:44.13 | Pr1nc3ss|Kat | is it the same command, as for example, iptables -F to clear the hash tables? |
| 00:44.18 | Doogs | Im installing |
| 00:44.22 | mickeyks | gdm has more options |
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| 00:44.25 | jbr | Doogs: or wdm... I'm using all three on different machines |
| 00:44.28 | mickeyks | at least in woody it does |
| 00:44.29 | Doogs | never been asked that on install |
| 00:44.44 | mickeyks | install from cd asks |
| 00:44.46 | mentor | Doogs: I take it you are running GNOME? |
| 00:44.52 | Doogs | yea, thats what Im doing |
| 00:45.00 | Penix | I'm irc'ing from my microwave. my penis is now bigger than yours |
| 00:45.03 | mentor | Pr1nc3ss|Kat: hash tables? |
| 00:45.03 | Doogs | no, not yet.. installing from CD |
| 00:45.13 | mentor | Pr1nc3ss|Kat: -F only clears one iptable anyway? |
| 00:45.16 | pahli_bar | Penix: tch tch |
| 00:45.25 | mentor | Doogs: As in, you are going to run GNOME? |
| 00:45.27 | Penix | actually maybe it's all the radiation |
| 00:45.27 | Pr1nc3ss|Kat | how would you clear all the rules? |
| 00:45.28 | mickeyks | Doogs: i suggest gdm but it's not big deal to switch |
| 00:45.35 | mdh | Penix: doesn't it get warm in there? |
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| 00:45.45 | mickeyks | of course, if you run kde, i guess kdm is better...? |
| 00:45.46 | z|bandito | sweet dude,, powerlevel HI |
| 00:45.48 | Doogs | mentor Ill probably use KDE |
| 00:46.00 | loocek | hi ! i have a question about programing in bash.....what condition should i do to identified a variable - is a "space" or not, because "if [ "$a" = " " ] - don't work :/ |
| 00:46.01 | Doogs | mickey ty |
| 00:46.25 | pahli_bar | loocek: = to == |
| 00:46.42 | loocek | i'll try |
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| 00:47.38 | mentor | Doogs: Maybe kdm thne? |
| 00:47.52 | Doogs | mentor Yea, probably KDE |
| 00:48.00 | Doogs | I already started to load gdm |
| 00:48.01 | \amethyst | loocke: single = should work |
| 00:48.10 | \amethyst | loocke: how is the variable being set? |
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| 00:49.04 | \amethyst | loocke: And how does it not work? Always true, always false, syntax error? |
| 00:49.09 | mickeyks | Doogs: you'll survive |
| 00:49.10 | steve | hi, im pretty new to debian, i am using the sarge network install cd...is xfree86-common the only xf86 package i need to apt-get? |
| 00:49.18 | shwag | how often does mysql flush its tables? |
| 00:49.18 | loocek | the variable is result of "echo string | cut -c $i" |
| 00:49.31 | \amethyst | steve: x-window-system |
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| 00:49.47 | Doogs | mickey: last time I tried to run it it would not start X |
| 00:49.56 | steve | \amethyst: \amethyst ahh thanks |
| 00:50.07 | mickeyks | Doogs: well, i doubt it was because you chose the wrong display manager |
| 00:50.08 | \amethyst | loocek: captured with backticks? |
| 00:50.36 | Doogs | mickey: ok, thanks. Im not sure where I went wrong then. Trying again. |
| 00:50.45 | steve | also, what do i have to do to get my USB keyboard to work in debian? |
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| 00:50.57 | mickeyks | Doogs: i have installed debian a bunch of times and X never works right away |
| 00:51.04 | Doogs | ugh |
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| 00:52.04 | nichos | hi all, having troubles, my home dir says "read only fs", mount shows it as: /dev/hda5 on /home type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 00:52.20 | nichos | drive isnt full |
| 00:52.33 | \amethyst | nichos: check your logs. Any disk errors? |
| 00:52.33 | cafuego | why don't you just drink creamy soda? |
| 00:53.09 | BlackJudas[Ballz | Creamy soda? Err. |
| 00:53.26 | nichos | kernel: EXT3-fs error (device hda5): ext3_free_blocks: bit already cleared for block 619695 |
| 00:53.32 | nichos | then it says remounting read-only |
| 00:53.37 | nichos | what happened? |
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| 00:53.59 | \amethyst | nichos some kind of corruption. umount it and run fsck |
| 00:54.19 | nichos | k, thanks, i'll try that |
| 00:54.53 | \amethyst | nichos: you may need to go into single-user mode |
| 00:55.01 | nichos | \amethyst yeah, logging out right now |
| 00:55.24 | nichos | thansk again |
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| 00:56.23 | buht-pick | anyone know if i can upg exim 3 to exim4 on stable? if not, is it easy to go from stable to testing? |
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| 00:57.02 | mentor | buht: Is exim4 in stable's package lsiting? |
| 00:57.08 | buht | nope |
| 00:57.31 | mentor | buht: I's fairly easy to go to testing...the trouble is usually staying there. |
| 00:57.37 | buht | hehe |
| 00:57.40 | z|bandito | hi buht |
| 00:57.42 | buht | i wish there were a backport |
| 00:57.46 | buht | z|bandito! |
| 00:57.48 | buht | sup dog! |
| 00:57.56 | Kempston| | is anyone here familiar with mtu mru mss stuff ? |
| 00:57.59 | buht | im sick of spam and shit email |
| 00:58.00 | z|bandito | not much |
| 00:58.01 | mentor | buht: Well, I wouldn't call that stable. |
| 00:58.04 | z|bandito | solar cookering ;) |
| 00:58.22 | buht | i want to setup an ACL with exim and see how it works but ive exim3 and it blows compared to exim4 |
| 00:58.25 | z|bandito | i'm gonna go take some pictures for the archives |
| 00:58.27 | z|bandito | =p |
| 00:58.32 | mentor | Kempston|: I should imagine so; this may not be the correct forum for your question however? |
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| 00:58.37 | buht | z|bandito u on efnet nemore? |
| 00:58.50 | z|bandito | i was gonna say, didn't think i knew you from here |
| 00:58.51 | z|bandito | heh |
| 00:58.53 | Kempston| | mentor which one would be ? |
| 00:58.56 | z|bandito | yeah, was off a while tho |
| 00:59.10 | tomb0y | is there any reason why 'df' doesnt update avail space when i remove files ? |
| 00:59.15 | buht | z|bandito i think i met u in here actually.. a few years back... and saw u on efnet in xbox or something :) |
| 00:59.18 | z|bandito | blitzed is sorta my home net now |
| 00:59.25 | buht | ah |
| 00:59.32 | z|bandito | buht mang we go back to dc or probably n64/v64 |
| 00:59.37 | buht | ah your right |
| 00:59.39 | z|bandito | ;) |
| 00:59.40 | buht | DC it was |
| 00:59.45 | buht | heh |
| 00:59.48 | buht | time flies |
| 00:59.53 | z|bandito | you sure i didn't sell you your z64 ? ;D |
| 00:59.55 | Kempston| | mentor ? |
| 01:00.01 | buht | now here i am in the future with fucking spam and junk mail and stuck with exim3 |
| 01:00.15 | buht | no, i never modded my 64 |
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| 01:00.23 | buht | only xbox and ps |
| 01:00.24 | mdh | buht: apt-get install postfix amavisd-new clamav |
| 01:00.31 | mentor | Kempston|: #networking, chcek the network channels list...you should be able to get a listin gin your client. |
| 01:00.35 | z|bandito | spam is teh shitty :s i'm using apple spam filter at the moment, its pretty well trained but not perfect in a variety of ways :) |
| 01:00.39 | buht | mdh: that donna fuck up my courier and exim? |
| 01:00.45 | buht | donna = gonna? |
| 01:00.47 | Kempston| | mentor i'm using trillian |
| 01:00.55 | mentor | tomb0y: Does here... |
| 01:00.59 | Kempston| | #networking is empty |
| 01:01.01 | z|bandito | my servers run debian at times.. have to get them fixed tonight heh. |
| 01:01.02 | mentor | Kempston|: Sucks to be you? |
| 01:01.06 | mdh | buht: er, and spamassassin too. no, it won't fuck up courier, but it will replace exim |
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| 01:01.12 | z|bandito | laterz |
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| 01:01.16 | Kempston| | mentor well there are some advantages :) |
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| 01:01.26 | buht | mdh: stable too ? :) ? |
| 01:01.42 | simonrvn | eew amavis |
| 01:01.45 | buht | mdh: does it work with the blacklists? |
| 01:01.54 | mentor | Kempston|: networking isn't empty. |
| 01:01.55 | mdh | buht: postfix is da bomb |
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| 01:02.07 | mdh | yeah, of course it does blacklists |
| 01:02.12 | Kempston| | well 4 peolpe doesn't count |
| 01:02.12 | Kempston| | all i need is to setup pppoe properly in debian |
| 01:02.12 | simonrvn | i'd get an exim4 backport, and get clamav and an SA backport for woody |
| 01:02.30 | mentor | Kempston|: #nocpeople and #tcpip |
| 01:02.33 | buht | mdh: ok, well im no email guru on server side and my exim config has worked good until recently... it hard to setup? i dont want to be down for an extended period of time |
| 01:02.45 | mentor | Kempston|: Well, then this might be the correct forum. |
| 01:03.14 | bob2 | mdh: do you use any RBL's? |
| 01:03.17 | mdh | buht: config is trivial and extremely well documented |
| 01:03.25 | mdh | bob2: I've got like 6-8 of them listed |
| 01:03.30 | buht | mdh: amavisd or amavis-postfix |
| 01:03.38 | Kempston| | actualy i've already setuped it but nfs doesn't work for me |
| 01:03.39 | Kempston| | and it works fine on another machines not using pppoe |
| 01:03.54 | g4lt | "setuped"?! |
| 01:03.56 | bob2 | mdh: hm, what's your false-positive rate like? |
| 01:04.05 | mentor | Kempston|: I'm sure those 4 people wouldn't agree with you too :P |
| 01:04.07 | mdh | bob2: 0 |
| 01:04.22 | Kempston| | about what ? |
| 01:04.22 | mentor | Kempston|: it? |
| 01:04.31 | mentor | Kempston|: That they don't count. |
| 01:04.37 | Kempston| | ohh i see |
| 01:04.40 | buht | mdh: no amavisd in apt stable but there is a -postfix |
| 01:04.43 | Kempston| | well i'm 4th |
| 01:04.45 | mdh | bob2: but I also have a local whitelist to let through clients regardless of RBL |
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| 01:04.59 | Kempston| | g4lt setyped = setup in past |
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| 01:05.06 | buht | mdh: or "clam" anything |
| 01:05.37 | mentor | Kempston|: Not in English. |
| 01:05.39 | mdh | buht: bugger :( |
| 01:05.43 | g4lt | Kempston| DO NOT even try to justify it. It's bad english, plain and simple. |
| 01:05.50 | buht | mdh: thx for the idea though, u must be "testing" ? |
| 01:06.02 | Kempston| | who says' it's not |
| 01:06.06 | mentor | Kempston|: I;ve already done the setup; I've already run setup; I've already set it up. |
| 01:06.13 | Kempston| | just trying to explain what i ment |
| 01:06.21 | mentor | Kempston|: :) |
| 01:06.24 | Kempston| | :) |
| 01:06.24 | mdh | buht: never ran anything but unstable for the last 4 years ;) |
| 01:06.36 | jax | I just installed debian, and had followed up debian installation perfectly, had installed KDE using tasksel.. after rebooting.. my GDM screen got flickered. I am unable to see anything, how can I get back to console screen from booting up? |
| 01:06.58 | mentor | jax: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 01:07.02 | jdhutchin1 | well, can you get to a console and kill gdm? |
| 01:07.06 | mentor | jax: Did you isntall kdm too? |
| 01:07.17 | mentor | jdhutchin1: That's what he jsut asked. |
| 01:07.21 | jdhutchin1 | ctrl-alt-f1, and log in as root (b/c you're going to need to do lots of things as it) |
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| 01:07.39 | nitronic | how can i change MIME types without nautilus? i'm booted at console here |
| 01:07.44 | jax | mentor, I think so.. the debian installer installed kde and gnome together |
| 01:07.49 | buht | how can i add http://ftp.fifi.org/debian-local/stable/backported-from-sarge/exim4/ to apt :) ? |
| 01:08.09 | mentor | jax: That might be a problem :/ |
| 01:08.14 | mdh | bob2: I've had issues in the past (check CLUG archives ;) with certain RBL providers doing dumb things, so I don't trust any of them hence why RBL is just a part of my mail setup, and easily overridden |
| 01:08.34 | jax | mentor: what was the possible problem? |
| 01:08.45 | mentor | jax: Trying to start two screens. |
| 01:08.57 | g4lt | buht man sources.list |
| 01:09.05 | naim | trying to format a partition in ext3 format ..what is wrong with :: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb6 |
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| 01:09.12 | archpollux | hi |
| 01:09.33 | thomas_adam | !be bob2 barbie |
| 01:09.34 | dpkg | Going to sleep is HARD! |
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| 01:09.39 | thomas_adam | indeed. |
| 01:10.02 | mdh | thomas_adam: go on, piss off, you're out! |
| 01:10.09 | thomas_adam | heh |
| 01:10.42 | jax | mentor, okay. when I boot up to gdm, I press alt-ctrl-f1 .. it didn't do anythin |
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| 01:10.52 | g4lt | mdh s/. you're out// ;P |
| 01:11.23 | mentor | jax: What do you see on your screen? |
| 01:11.52 | jax | I see like 3-4 very blured console windows |
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| 01:12.34 | mentor | jax: You are pressing the ctrl+alt+f1 all together? |
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| 01:12.58 | jax | mentor: yes |
| 01:12.59 | mentor | jax@ You might try booting init=/bin/sh and stopping any dm from starting. |
| 01:13.02 | ardy | what kernel driver/module should I use for a Intell 82558 TX lan |
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| 01:13.04 | ardy | ? |
| 01:13.11 | mentor | jax: Maybe try some other virtual consoles too? |
| 01:13.26 | mentor | ardy: Google? |
| 01:13.28 | thomas_adam | !fuck g4lt |
| 01:13.29 | Drizzt321|laptop | ardy: try e100, if that doesn't work, eepro I think is the other one |
| 01:13.34 | thomas_adam | g4lt: Cheeky sod! |
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| 01:13.56 | mdh | g4lt: :) To understand the joke fully though I think you'd had to have heard "The Twelvth Man" |
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| 01:14.23 | jax | mentor: I forgot the command to log in console directly from lilo bootup |
| 01:14.27 | \amethyst | ardy: Either e100 or eepro100 |
| 01:14.28 | mentor | Twelfth |
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| 01:14.30 | mentor | Twelvth |
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| 01:14.34 | thomas_adam | jax: sulogin |
| 01:14.35 | mentor | Twelth |
| 01:14.39 | mentor | hmm.. |
| 01:14.42 | jbr | twelvish |
| 01:14.46 | buht | mdh: shouldnt (deb http://ftp.fifi.org/debian-local/stable/backported-from-sarge/exim4/) be working ? |
| 01:14.47 | mentor | jax: init=/bin/sh :) |
| 01:15.07 | zezom | should homelinux.com be in the /etc/dnsdomainname file? |
| 01:15.22 | sussudio | twelveth? |
| 01:15.32 | FlyByte | does anyone here know where to save debian wallpaper at? |
| 01:15.33 | mopacki | hi...i tried using tzselect and the KDE control center to change my timezone but it will not change...any ideas |
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| 01:16.22 | thomas_adam | mopacki: #kde |
| 01:16.28 | mentor | !dict twelvdth |
| 01:16.30 | dpkg | could not find definition for twelvdth |
| 01:16.32 | mdh | mentor: google corrected me to "twelfth" |
| 01:16.38 | mentor | !dict twefdth |
| 01:16.40 | dpkg | could not find definition for twefdth |
| 01:16.44 | sussudio | !spell twelveth |
| 01:16.44 | dpkg | possible spellings for twelveth: twelve th twelve-th |
| 01:16.46 | mentor | fargggrrr |
| 01:16.55 | mentor | !twelfth |
| 01:16.58 | mopacki | thomas_adam, hehe ;-) |
| 01:16.59 | mentor | !dict twelfth |
| 01:17.01 | dpkg | Dictionary 'twelfth' (4 shown; 6 total): 2. The next in order after the eleventh. ;; Twelfth \Twelfth\, a. [For twelft, OE. twelfte, AS. twelfta. See Twelve.] 1. Next in order after the eleventh; coming after eleven others; -- the ordinal of twelve. ;; coming next after the eleventh and just before the thirteenth in position ;; 2. Consisting, or being one of, twelve equal parts into which anything is divided.. |
| 01:17.22 | jbr | mentor: I suggest dozenth |
| 01:17.34 | mentor | gah.... |
| 01:17.40 | buht | schweet! |
| 01:17.53 | buht | z|bandito gonna grab some grub, good seein ya still alive and kickin :) ? |
| 01:18.00 | mopacki | thomas_adam, doesn't matter about kde, tzselect didn't work |
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| 01:19.20 | barry|wookin | cool I didn't know rm -rf * worked |
| 01:19.29 | blazefx | sup all? |
| 01:20.23 | archpollux | how can i change the scheduler in the 2.6 kernel? |
| 01:20.26 | mdh | the bowlers' Holding, the batsman's Willey |
| 01:21.11 | jbr | barry|wookin: did you know thatthen never try rm -rf .* |
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| 01:21.47 | mdh | sorry, its off-season and I'm in cricket denial |
| 01:21.49 | Kats | the bowler is holding the batsman's willy? cricket porn? |
| 01:22.06 | mdh | Kats: great commentary gaffs of all time |
| 01:22.13 | Kats | :) |
| 01:22.15 | mdh | Kats: http://www.cricketman.com/commentary.htm |
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| 01:22.35 | naim | trying to format a partition in ext3 format ..what is wrong with :: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb6 |
| 01:22.37 | mdh | "he's usually a good puller, but that time he just couldn't get it up" |
| 01:22.45 | barry|wookin | jbr but it really helped when I renamed all my dns files from me.domain.tld to just domain.tld then I just rm -rf me.* |
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| 01:23.07 | Kats | odd, cricketman is not resolving for me |
| 01:23.09 | mickeyks | how can i tell whether or not i have a math coprocessor? |
| 01:23.30 | Ahri | i can't run rc-update, did i break something, or do i need to apt-get some package? |
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| 01:24.00 | sussudio | mickeyks: that's a pretty stupid question. do you have an i386 manufactured in the last 20 years? |
| 01:24.38 | barry|wookin | sussudio oh come on now in 1989 I had a Cyrix chip with no math coprocessor |
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| 01:24.51 | barry|wookin | so that was 15 years ago |
| 01:24.56 | sussudio | barry|wookin: you lose |
| 01:25.20 | mickeyks | sussudio: i have a k-6 3D |
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| 01:25.37 | naim | waht is wrong with .. this ?? mke2fs -j /dev/hdb6 |
| 01:25.43 | FlyByte | i would like to know which folder to save wallpaper in so i can use it, any help is welcomed |
| 01:25.49 | naim | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:25.51 | mickeyks | sussudio: but i dunno, you can config the kernel to add one, so it must be an issue for some people |
| 01:25.52 | Kats | well, you could look up your motherboard and see if it supports one, and if so, look for diagrams of the mobo with and without one |
| 01:25.56 | barry|wookin | mickeyks hes tryign to make a point that if your computer can run debian it has a math coprocessor |
| 01:26.12 | angelgabriel | I'm tryin' to install mailman on my debian machine, but I want to know, how can I view the post install information that popped up on my screen? |
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| 01:26.18 | Kats | I'm sure there's an easier way but I can't think of it offhand |
| 01:26.34 | mickeyks | barry|wookin: but that isn't true. your computer can run debian with a math coprocessor built into the kernel |
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| 01:27.20 | guestish | anyone know how long until the new libcupsys2-gnutls10 is uploaded? |
| 01:27.25 | mickeyks | not "built in"...emulated |
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| 01:27.38 | guestish | yes, i know there is a blurb about it in the topic |
| 01:27.55 | Penix | guestish: check incoming until it hits sid |
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| 01:28.20 | guestish | whats the url for that again? |
| 01:28.31 | Penix | guestish: incoming.debian.org |
| 01:28.34 | gpm | i have exim4 set up with a smartost but when i try to send outgoing mail, i get this: SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL FROM:<gpm@ludwig> SIZE=1435: |
| 01:28.34 | gpm | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.44 | guestish | k |
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| 01:29.07 | barry|wookin | mickeyks here you go look here http://www.informit.com/articles/article.asp?p=130978&seqNum=20 |
| 01:29.08 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start an mta war |
| 01:29.08 | dpkg | smail rulez |
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| 01:29.56 | gpm | if anyone can tell me if i should file a bug or if i'm just making a stupid mistake |
| 01:29.57 | Ahri | i can't run rc-update, did i break something, or do i need to apt-get some package? |
| 01:29.57 | bob2 | mdh: ahhh, sensible...I've been considering writing a simple DNS server that queries multiple RBL's and does a scoring thing to decide whether to block an IP or not |
| 01:29.58 | gpm | that would rule |
| 01:30.19 | gpm | Ahri: update-rc.d |
| 01:30.22 | bob2 | mdh: ala SA, but without requiring a quad power5 |
| 01:30.23 | angelgabriel | how do i configure apache to allow me to view the mailman webinterface? |
| 01:30.44 | Penix | ffs I hate plumbers |
| 01:30.59 | Ahri | gpm: thanks, i seem to be used to gentoo :) |
| 01:31.00 | Penix | been up since 9 and I still haven't been able to use the toilet or shower |
| 01:31.51 | gpm | Ahri: np |
| 01:31.53 | tempo | how do i install jvm for mozilla firefox? |
| 01:31.53 | bob2 | Penix: garden + river. |
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| 01:32.06 | Penix | I've got both too |
| 01:32.10 | Penix | creek out the back |
| 01:32.28 | Penix | hopefully they'll be done soon |
| 01:32.53 | angelgabriel | angelgabriel is confused |
| 01:33.21 | Penix | angelgabriel sure is confused. angelgabriel needs to learn how to use /me |
| 01:33.42 | bobstro | sounds like the plumbers are using you |
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| 01:33.54 | Penix | for what? my gamp collection? |
| 01:33.58 | mickeyks | barry|wookin: thanks |
| 01:34.16 | angelgabriel | Penix: I was checking to see if my highlighting worked! |
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| 01:35.05 | bobstro | *smack* say my name! *smack* |
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| 01:35.23 | bob2 | no. |
| 01:35.25 | bobstro | angelgabriel: and is it working? |
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| 01:35.28 | Penix | bobstro: you zignig |
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| 01:35.41 | angelgabriel | bobstro: It is now! lol |
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| 01:35.50 | Penix | every talk about angelgabriel |
| 01:35.55 | Penix | you know, like, angelgabriel |
| 01:36.06 | bobstro | do you mean *the* angelgabriel? |
| 01:36.07 | Penix | everyone rather |
| 01:36.21 | bobstro | or the *other* angelgabriel |
| 01:36.22 | bobstro | ? |
| 01:36.30 | Penix | no. that angelgabriel other there |
| 01:36.33 | bob2 | Penix: write a paper about Debian/KFreeBSD |
| 01:36.43 | Penix | bob2: I wrote the official installation guide |
| 01:36.43 | angelgabriel | OKAY! Thank you for making my screen VERY purple! lol ! |
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| 01:36.58 | bob2 | Penix: k, seeya in April! |
| 01:37.03 | Penix | bob2: heh |
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| 01:37.18 | NamShub | Some fonts in konqueror (not the default -bitstream vera sans-, but other fonts in certain sites) look bad. Any clue? |
| 01:37.21 | MichaelG | yo |
| 01:37.25 | mgrenon | I almost decided to use freebsd instead of linx |
| 01:37.26 | steve | is there a way to apt-get the nvidia drivers |
| 01:37.27 | bob2 | Penix: man, a guy here did a talk about a shell DNS server. |
| 01:37.28 | steve | ? |
| 01:37.29 | mgrenon | linux |
| 01:37.34 | bob2 | Penix: anything is more worthy thatn that. |
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| 01:38.04 | mickeyks | is there a way i can tell if i'm using an ATX power supply without opening the box? |
| 01:38.16 | bob2 | look on the back? |
| 01:38.21 | mgrenon | i hear the *bsd's have a better network code, but hey what do I know |
| 01:38.23 | angelgabriel | mickeyks: Read the manual? |
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| 01:38.37 | mickeyks | angelgabriel: the manual says it might be, it might not be |
| 01:38.38 | Gathond | mickeyks: research if your machins is ATX |
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| 01:38.45 | mickeyks | bob2: the back of the box? no |
| 01:38.48 | angelgabriel | mickeyks: Man, that's a real bad manual ! |
| 01:38.51 | brlancer | mickeyks: does the bios say anything about powering off? |
| 01:39.03 | brlancer | ATX can do soft power-on/off, AT can't |
| 01:39.12 | mickeyks | brlancer: i dunno, i'd have to reboot to check |
| 01:39.36 | Gathond | mickeyks: does the machine have a power switch thing, or a circuit breaker ? |
| 01:39.37 | angelgabriel | mickeyks: When you shut ur machine down, does it turn off, or do you have to turn it off.... actually, what OS are you running on the machine in question |
| 01:39.46 | mickeyks | Gathond: power switch |
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| 01:40.06 | mickeyks | angelgabriel: i have to turn it off. i'm running woody |
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| 01:40.27 | green-ears | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.32 | Penix | a gnu/kfreebsd talk would be nice if there was a mini-debconf |
| 01:40.45 | blusyit | ~jigdo |
| 01:40.46 | apt | it has been said that jigdo is *the* method for downloading cd images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 01:40.56 | Penix | and if I was really gritty |
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| 01:42.37 | NamShub | I remember fixing my fonts problem in konqueror before, but can't remember how... |
| 01:42.40 | crickenshed | What do I read if I want to learn how to install Sid? |
| 01:42.59 | mickeyks | angelgabriel: well, i think it does if you have an ATX power supply and ACPI support in the kernel |
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| 01:43.11 | dondelelcaro | crickenshed: the install manual and the debian quick reference, for starters. |
| 01:43.17 | mdh | bob2: that's be good. with cached responses too so each mail message doesn't flog the real RBL DNS servers |
| 01:43.19 | crickenshed | Where do I find that. |
| 01:43.27 | dondelelcaro | !tell crickenshed about install manual |
| 01:43.31 | dondelelcaro | !tell crickenshed about quick reference |
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| 01:43.48 | dondelelcaro | !no, install manual is <reply> see install guide |
| 01:43.52 | crickenshed | Thanks |
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| 01:44.08 | bob2 | mdh: oooh, yeah |
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| 01:46.03 | Penix | angelgabriel: debian |
| 01:47.16 | dondelelcaro | angelgabriel: Debian is the answer to (pretty much) any distro question. |
| 01:47.33 | Penix | !spank dump |
| 01:47.50 | mgrenon | haha |
| 01:47.55 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: even "what's a great distro for a newbie?" ;) |
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| 01:48.03 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: yes. |
| 01:48.14 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: assuming, of course, that the newbie can read. |
| 01:48.17 | bradhicks | Well, I'm still a newbie, and it's so much better than RedHat it's mind boggling. |
| 01:48.26 | Penix | mickeyks: even "what's a great distro for running a midget badger pr0n site server?" |
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| 01:48.45 | zignig | Penix: MS 2003 advanced server ! |
| 01:48.46 | mgrenon | debian was my first distro |
| 01:49.01 | angelgabriel | zignig: I was JUST about to say that! LOL ! |
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| 01:49.02 | mgrenon | why does everyone start with mandrake.. debian wasnt really hard |
| 01:49.07 | mickeyks | as much difficutly as i have, i found redhat harder and less friendly |
| 01:49.32 | Penix | zignig: I'm going to pretend I didn't see that |
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| 01:50.22 | bradhicks | Well, I started with Knoppix this time. But I've got 99.99% of where it's different from Debian weeded out, and I'll get the rest of it when I get around to it. |
| 01:50.26 | Amarande | i tried mandrake once, i hated it |
| 01:50.27 | Amarande | heh |
| 01:50.29 | mgrenon | I moved from windows to debian, with about a month of guide reading I was doing well.. |
| 01:50.40 | mgrenon | then i went to lfs and realized apt is king |
| 01:50.40 | Amarande | actually, i had been familiar with several distros by then |
| 01:50.47 | element | lol |
| 01:50.48 | Amarande | my first linux box was slack 3.1 |
| 01:51.01 | debian | mgrenon: may be it was because mandrake is, if not the earliest, popular off-the-shelf Linux distro? :) |
| 01:51.02 | Amarande | i used to swear by slack, actually |
| 01:51.06 | zignig | Penix: see what , I have no idea what you are talking about ;) |
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| 01:51.13 | Amarande | i think it was the glibc transition that taught me to stop doing that :/ |
| 01:51.17 | cafuego | !lart telstra |
| 01:51.21 | ardy | how do I get lilo to display the list of kernels |
| 01:51.21 | glav | hello all |
| 01:51.23 | bradhicks | APT rules. Hey, here's an idea - wouldn't it be cool to have a script that would de-Knoppixify a box, convert it to pure Debian? |
| 01:51.24 | apt | bradhicks: You are moron #4 |
| 01:51.26 | mgrenon | debian: ah i dont know much about off the shelf |
| 01:51.29 | mgrenon | well afk |
| 01:51.29 | zignig | cafuego: I second that larting. |
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| 01:51.37 | cafuego | ardy: hit tab |
| 01:51.47 | debian | mgrenon: debian was packaged and sold off-the-shelf, too. |
| 01:51.52 | debian | I still own thta box |
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| 01:52.01 | dondelelcaro | bradhicks: it's called debtakeover |
| 01:52.12 | dondelelcaro | bradhicks: it'll de * any box, and put Debian on it. |
| 01:52.40 | bradhicks | dondelecaro: Fantastic! apt-get install debtakeover? |
| 01:52.53 | g4lt | dondelelcaro let's see it takeover a VMS box ;P |
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| 01:53.01 | glav | apt-cache search ... |
| 01:53.04 | dondelelcaro | !tell bradhicks about debtakeover |
| 01:53.05 | peterS | bradhicks: ummm, debtakeover being a debian package wouldn't make much sense in a majority of cases |
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| 01:53.41 | ardy | cafuego: didn't work... |
| 01:53.48 | angelgabriel | !tell angelgabriel about debtakeover |
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| 01:54.08 | ardy | cafuego: I compiled a custom kernel and I setup the lilo options but it didn't display the list of kernels |
| 01:54.08 | meff | can someone tell me of a good qos connection tuning script? wondershaper is rather old and doesnt help at all with my dsl.. |
| 01:54.12 | Dieb | hello all |
| 01:54.20 | dondelelcaro | angelgabriel: you can /msg the bots... |
| 01:54.33 | kazoo | This is some of the problem I get when I run apt-get update... |
| 01:54.34 | kazoo | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/main/binary-sparc/Release Something wicked happened resolving 'security.debian.org:http' (-3) |
| 01:54.34 | kazoo | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 01:54.34 | kazoo | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 01:54.34 | kazoo | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
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| 01:54.46 | dondelelcaro | kazoo: read /topic, and do not paste here. |
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| 01:55.21 | angelgabriel | dondelelcaro: Thanks |
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| 01:55.43 | g4lt | dondelelcaro uhm, there's no sdo status in /topic that I see... |
| 01:55.57 | scarynetworkguy | my mobo does not keep time for shit |
| 01:56.10 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: yeah, but there's a no flooding here... ;-) |
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| 01:56.20 | g4lt | true dat |
| 01:56.42 | glav | what is that domain ?? .nU? |
| 01:56.49 | g4lt | but sdo resolves for me, prolly his resolv.conf |
| 01:56.59 | dondelelcaro | kazoo: next, for whatever reason, your name resolution is munged. security.d.o is cool here. |
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| 01:57.07 | g4lt | glav www.iana.org |
| 01:57.16 | rich_ | hello |
| 01:57.32 | glav | thank g4lt, you'r ham ?? |
| 01:57.42 | kazoo | dondelelcaro: I don't quite follow |
| 01:57.47 | dan2 | whats a good open source DMS |
| 01:57.51 | g4lt | !g4lt |
| 01:57.51 | dpkg | you are probably just this guy you see. Mr. Congeniality, or prone to typos. he can translate from typoese if asked though, or <helix> peterS: g4lt is just mean |
| 01:58.03 | opp | i need a p2p file sharing client,of any kind that has the biggest n widest user base to file share,pls advise |
| 01:58.08 | peterS | oh hello there, g4lt |
| 01:58.12 | scarynetworkguy | ham country or city? |
| 01:58.31 | g4lt | peterS hello, like the wake-up call? ;P |
| 01:58.41 | dondelelcaro | kazoo: sdo resolves for me. Therefore your resolv.conf or DNS is not working properly. Fix that, and sdo will start working again. |
| 01:58.50 | peterS | g4lt: I think you *are* "just mean", sometimes (: |
| 01:58.51 | blazefx | Hey all, I have been trying to set up a webserver for a while, and when i type /etc/init.d/apache start it says starting apache faild! |
| 01:58.54 | blazefx | how do i fix this |
| 01:59.06 | rich_ | opp dctc but its not all smooth and shiney |
| 01:59.18 | g4lt | peterS if you really want, you CAN edit the factoid ;P |
| 01:59.25 | peterS | g4lt: it's ok (: |
| 01:59.32 | opp | how do i check if i have p2p installed in my debian? |
| 01:59.48 | peterS | you're probably right |
| 01:59.57 | brlancer | blazefx: too vague - if it doesn't spit a more verbose error, check logs/error_log |
| 02:00.02 | scarynetworkguy | and what is wrong with being mean? |
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| 02:00.10 | g4lt | opp apt-cache search p2p, then dpkg -s the results |
| 02:01.08 | bradhicks | I was just reading the debtakeover script, it doesn't seem to have Knoppix as one of the distros it knows how to convert from. If I run this, am I going to have to do my hardware setup all over again? |
| 02:01.09 | blazefx | brlancer, where? |
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| 02:01.38 | scarynetworkguy | anybody wanna join my new church? |
| 02:02.05 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy is one of the commandments RTFM? |
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| 02:02.15 | brlancer | blazefx: check /var/log/apache, if this is a default dpkg install |
| 02:02.22 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt yup. We worship Loki. |
| 02:02.30 | g4lt | w00t, I'm so there |
| 02:02.30 | scarynetworkguy | and his various avatars |
| 02:02.37 | rich_ | Irc is full of people who try to make nice so they can stab each other in the back. This is better. |
| 02:02.45 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt cool I'll sign you up. |
| 02:03.06 | g4lt | rich_ yeah, we don't make nice first ;P |
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| 02:03.44 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 02:04.02 | sussudio | badgercammm |
| 02:04.05 | loke_ | i have a file that is a .zip.part, how do i unzip it? |
| 02:04.09 | thomas_adam | sussudio: oh, dear god. |
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| 02:04.14 | sussudio | !badgercam |
| 02:04.14 | dpkg | http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/webcams/badger_wildlink_cam.shtml |
| 02:04.16 | thomas_adam | loke_: unzip |
| 02:04.25 | g4lt | loke_ you don't. it's incomplete |
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| 02:04.32 | loke_ | ok |
| 02:04.37 | helix | ph34t |
| 02:04.39 | helix | um |
| 02:04.44 | angelgabriel | I can't get my mailman webinterface to show |
| 02:04.46 | helix | s/t/r/ |
| 02:04.49 | peterS | yeah, that's quite a ph34t |
| 02:04.54 | angelgabriel | I'm using apache |
| 02:04.54 | thomas_adam | sussudio: hahaha |
| 02:04.58 | sussudio | !texugo helix |
| 02:04.59 | dpkg | helix: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
| 02:05.11 | scarynetworkguy | the second commandment is "thou shalt google before asking on IRC" |
| 02:05.17 | glav | when does the new version leave debian? because the "stable" version is up to date |
| 02:05.29 | sussudio | thomas_adam: it was live on BBC2 last night |
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| 02:05.34 | loke_ | g4lt: thanks |
| 02:05.59 | thomas_adam | sussudio: My TV-watching skills are terrible. You must remind me, please. |
| 02:06.14 | sussudio | aww little badgerz |
| 02:06.14 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: in Or or awe? |
| 02:06.15 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam get a tivo |
| 02:06.23 | helix | sussudio: haha |
| 02:06.26 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: pfft |
| 02:06.27 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam yes |
| 02:06.49 | digdig | is there a way to install debian (unstable) in an unatended fashion ? i am about to reinstall my (hosed) debian system and i was wondering there was a way of automating this next time. |
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| 02:06.50 | scarynetworkguy | Let it be declared that AB is an avatar of Loki |
| 02:07.05 | tam | if a machine went awol and went at an average load of 130 for more than 8 hours could it damage the box? |
| 02:07.19 | dondelelcaro | tam: no. |
| 02:07.24 | dondelelcaro | tam: at least, it better not. |
| 02:07.26 | g4lt | digdig no, there is no wa to install unstable whatsoever, and if someone has told you otherwise, they're dangerously incompetent |
| 02:07.33 | sussudio | tam: walmart $200 pc? |
| 02:07.38 | tam | dondelelcaro: OK thanks, just one of my machines have done it and i'm at work |
| 02:07.40 | loke_ | what openoffice.org do i need to view a pdf? |
| 02:07.40 | tam | sussudio: hehe no |
| 02:07.47 | dan2 | cafuego: I can't get sdms working here, it trys to login, but then brings me back to login page |
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| 02:08.18 | loke_ | or what app do i need to view a pdf? |
| 02:08.46 | glav | loke_: apt-cache search pdf |
| 02:08.48 | thomas_adam | loke_: gv |
| 02:09.01 | kazoo | dondelelcaro: may I PM you? |
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| 02:09.19 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: tivo's are restrictive -- get a capture card and run mythTV or somesuch. |
| 02:09.28 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt he can come damn close. Note this assumes that you know what you are doing and if you you are asking the question in IRC and have not thought of it yourself you don't know what you are doing. Also this assumes that you don't care about how stable the box is. |
| 02:09.41 | digdig | g4lt, i just taugh of that myself as i am lazy by nature ! |
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| 02:09.53 | dondelelcaro | kazoo: just ask your question in the channel. I'm likely to step out for coffee shortly. |
| 02:10.02 | blazefx | man i think its best if i reinstall |
| 02:10.07 | kazoo | what should my resolv.conf say? |
| 02:10.08 | dondelelcaro | !reinstall |
| 02:10.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is cat /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -B 1 installed|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
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| 02:10.45 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam and as soon as someone comes up with a way to be able to tell mythTV to record for example every instance of "Good Eats" then I will want that cause you are right with the exception of that one feature mythTV is better |
| 02:10.57 | g4lt | kazoo that's site-dependent |
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| 02:11.15 | dondelelcaro | kazoo: something like "nameserver 68.87.96.3\nnameserver 68.87.96.4" |
| 02:11.30 | dondelelcaro | (where \n is ^M or enter) |
| 02:11.39 | kazoo | I have this. |
| 02:11.40 | scarynetworkguy | FIREBALL |
| 02:11.40 | kazoo | search conflabit.net\000 |
| 02:11.55 | dondelelcaro | kazoo: you don't have a nameserver line, and you need it. |
| 02:12.04 | hax | does anyone know how big an RFID chip actually is? |
| 02:12.14 | dondelelcaro | hax: they can be very, very small. |
| 02:12.14 | kazoo | k |
| 02:12.17 | gturner | can somebody please give me some tips about getting IDE working on a mostly SCSI system: i recently reinstalled with d-i beta3, using root LVM (all scsi), discover and manual modprobe piix doesn't properly detect IDE hardware - IDE used to work fine before reinstall, before having LVM root and initrd magic... any clues would be much appreciated |
| 02:12.25 | dondelelcaro | hax: most of their size is the antenna system that they use. |
| 02:12.25 | qwe | hax: about 2 mm square |
| 02:12.29 | scarynetworkguy | hax dig the one out of your wrist and look at it. |
| 02:12.38 | qwe | the actual chip size, anyway |
| 02:12.44 | brontitall | hax: http://www.rfidjournal.com/article/articleview/337/1/1/ |
| 02:12.58 | hax | scarynetworkguy: heh |
| 02:13.05 | hax | qwe: chip != antenna? |
| 02:13.14 | qwe | yeah |
| 02:13.20 | hax | brontitall: oh wow |
| 02:13.23 | hax | brontitall: thats ridiculous |
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| 02:13.31 | scarynetworkguy | hax make sure to make the slice in the center and going from the hand towards your elbow |
| 02:13.32 | qwe | usually there's a coiled foil thingy around the chip itself |
| 02:13.38 | qwe | that's the antenna |
| 02:13.42 | scarynetworkguy | hax :) |
| 02:13.43 | brontitall | hax: Yeah, you could have a hundred in your wrist and not know |
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| 02:14.02 | hax | brontitall: but i dont... right? </twitch> |
| 02:14.12 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:14.25 | Amarande | do rfid chips continually send out a signal like a homing device, or do you have to specifically scan for them |
| 02:14.27 | brontitall | hax: no.... neither... do... I... |
| 02:14.29 | hax | i had no idea they were that small |
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| 02:14.33 | hax | i thought they were like a grain of rice |
| 02:14.35 | hax | not a grain of salt |
| 02:14.43 | hax | Amarande: you ping them |
| 02:14.49 | CompWizrd | Amarande: some are active, but most are powered by the scanner |
| 02:14.52 | brontitall | Amarande: You have to scan... they get power from the scanner |
| 02:14.52 | hax | Amarande: they use the energy from the ping to respond |
| 02:15.08 | kazoo | should my nameserver be my isp's dns server? |
| 02:15.10 | qwe | well the ones in the library books here are v. v. small |
| 02:15.23 | hax | qwe: how can you even see them? |
| 02:15.24 | qwe | most of the bulk is the antenna |
| 02:15.32 | scarynetworkguy | hax salt can be big. One of my favorite table salts has flakes about half the size of a corn flake. You need to specify what kind of salt |
| 02:15.37 | hax | qwe: wouldnt you hasve to know exactly where to look? |
| 02:15.40 | hax | scarynetworkguy: you know what i mean :P |
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| 02:15.45 | hax | scarynetworkguy: s/salt/sand/ |
| 02:16.10 | qwe | i think a standard grain of salt is smaller than 2mm |
| 02:16.15 | rich_ | sand has different grades too |
| 02:16.25 | qwe | either that or the chip is more like 3 or 4 mm |
| 02:16.26 | hax | any germans here? |
| 02:16.28 | brontitall | qwe: there a standard for grains of salt now? ;-) |
| 02:16.34 | scarynetworkguy | hax even if we just assume salt you can get at the grocery store size still varies greatly sand is a bette example |
| 02:16.35 | qwe | harhar |
| 02:16.38 | digdig | could it be possible to install debian woody and install all of unstable from source but only to a certain directory so that one could enjoy both world ? |
| 02:16.42 | qwe | table salt |
| 02:16.44 | qwe | whatever |
| 02:16.46 | hax | scarynetworkguy: rah! :P |
| 02:17.02 | scarynetworkguy | qwe needs to look at my table |
| 02:17.11 | qwe | notice that I gave an absolute reference point |
| 02:17.21 | qwe | whereas hax compared it to a grain of salt |
| 02:17.24 | mgrenon | digdig: sounds complicated and illogical... you should just make two partitions :/ |
| 02:17.25 | hax | ok, nevermind |
| 02:17.30 | qwe | :) |
| 02:17.37 | hax | my point was that they are really small, not like rice-sized small, but like sand-sized small |
| 02:17.46 | hax | thats all i was getting at |
| 02:17.50 | qwe | depends on the sand |
| 02:17.50 | qwe | lol |
| 02:17.55 | sbalneav | Hello: I've installed the alsa-base and alsa-utils package, as well as the kernel modules .deb for my stock kernel (I'm running sarge). The tutorial given by asking dpkg mentions that there should be a /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/examples/modutil/0.9 file that I need to copy, and alsaconf seems to need it as well, but it isn't there. Am I missing a package? |
| 02:18.20 | gturner | so i was thinking that perhaps all the oodles of unused modules that 2.6 and/or discover seems to load may be interferring with piix initialization, so i echo "piix" >> /etc/mkinitrd/modules && dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-2.6.6-1-686-smp, reboot, piix module loads sooner, but still has minimal output (doesn't detect anything) HELP!? |
| 02:18.27 | brontitall | hax: yep, v small... there's been talk about putting them in banknotes.. but I don't think it's happened yet |
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| 02:18.38 | hax | brontitall: i hear us pasports will have them next year |
| 02:18.44 | hax | brontitall: but i guess we'd never know? |
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| 02:18.56 | hax | brontitall: would a traditional frequency counter even pick up the transmission? |
| 02:18.58 | sussudio | hax: you know this is #debian, right? |
| 02:19.12 | hax | sussudio: yeah, fantastic channel |
| 02:19.25 | hax | sussudio: lots of offtopic discussion, really interesting stuff ;) |
| 02:19.27 | sussudio | hax: just checking. not #RFID or anything |
| 02:19.41 | hax | sussudio: if there was one, i'd ask there |
| 02:20.06 | brontitall | hax: Dunno, but there isn't much of a transmission. I think the conversation is pretty much "Does anyone have bit #45 turned on"... "yep" |
| 02:20.09 | g4lt | sussudio no, in #RFID, they're talking about the non-free GRs |
| 02:20.25 | brontitall | g4lt: lpl |
| 02:20.32 | brontitall | g4lt:s/lpl/lol |
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| 02:20.58 | mickeyks | if i have both PCI and ASI ports, does that mean that i have both PCI and ASI "bus systems"? |
| 02:21.03 | sussudio | putting a RFID chip into a passport would be pointless, they'd probably use smartchips. |
| 02:21.07 | steve | i downloaded fluxbox*.deb, how do i install this .deb file? |
| 02:21.32 | g4lt | WTF is an ASI bus?! |
| 02:21.35 | Amarande | rfid banknotes |
| 02:21.37 | Amarande | that is a BAD IDEA |
| 02:21.48 | sussudio | thomas_adam: btw, you also missed the baby bluetits, a bad woodpecker was eyeing them. |
| 02:21.51 | qwe | some criminal gets the rfid scanner |
| 02:21.51 | Amarande | next thing you know career criminals will buy some rfid scanners |
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| 02:21.56 | g4lt | Amarande put a $20 in a microwave.... |
| 02:21.57 | qwe | echo |
| 02:21.57 | Amarande | and rob whoever shows up as having a lot of money |
| 02:22.01 | rich_ | I read somewhere we are going to start tracking homeless people here in the us by implanting something under their skin |
| 02:22.01 | mickeyks | g4lt: sorry, ISA bus :/ |
| 02:22.18 | steve | how do install .deb files? |
| 02:22.26 | rich_ | Just to see where they migrate |
| 02:22.29 | g4lt | mickeyks then not really. the ISA ports are on a PCI bridge |
| 02:22.49 | tritium | steve, you don't have to download them manually. You should learn how to use apt-get |
| 02:22.50 | g4lt | steve dpkg -i |
| 02:22.56 | Guerin | rich_: I think that was an april fool on slashdot... |
| 02:22.57 | mickeyks | g4lt: so then it's more accurate to simply say that i have a PCI bus system? |
| 02:23.01 | element | i changed the port from Port 22 in my /etc/ssh/sshd_config to another port, and restarted sshd by /etc/init.d/ssh restart, and it still responds to port 22, how can i fix that |
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| 02:23.07 | rich_ | Guerin Oh I see. thanks. |
| 02:23.07 | g4lt | tritium bah, you take all the fun out of everything ;P |
| 02:23.17 | steve | tritium: well im trying to install fluxbox, i tried apt-get insatll fluxbox, but it installed a very old version of it |
| 02:23.20 | digdig | any one know a tool that shows dependency beween pkgs in a tree of some sort ? |
| 02:23.33 | mickeyks | steve: that's cuz yer in woody |
| 02:23.34 | sussudio | digdig: like a larch? |
| 02:23.35 | tritium | g4lt, like building from source ;) |
| 02:23.37 | mickeyks | like me |
| 02:23.37 | qwe | rich_: all you'd have to do is offer them free booze for life |
| 02:23.39 | thomas_adam | sussudio: hehehehe |
| 02:23.46 | g4lt | mickeyks more technicall accurate, but the layman won't know unless you tell them you havea PCI/ISA system |
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| 02:23.53 | sussudio | number 1... the larch. |
| 02:24.02 | g4lt | tritium what's wrong with apt-get source, I ask ;P |
| 02:24.07 | steve | mickeyks: i used the sarge installer? |
| 02:24.14 | tritium | steve, g4lt told you correctly |
| 02:24.20 | blazefx | How come apt-get update never works and I have to play with the sources.list file which never fixes the problem |
| 02:24.22 | mickeyks | steve: then i dunno |
| 02:24.30 | gturner | who's got a SCSI root fs and superfluous IDE fs running on unstable / linux 2.6? |
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| 02:24.37 | rich_ | qwe Yes but that would alter their migratory pattern. We (the human race) have plenty of prctice trying the same thing with animals |
| 02:24.40 | element | anyone? |
| 02:24.45 | geel | hello. i'd need help with milo :) |
| 02:24.46 | g4lt | sussudio what are you doing bird watching on a frigging Tamarack? |
| 02:24.50 | thomas_adam | blazefx: Probably because you're as vague as you are with questions. |
| 02:24.51 | tritium | g4lt, yeah, why not? |
| 02:24.52 | thomas_adam | !anyone |
| 02:24.52 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 02:24.55 | geel | trying to install debian on my digital pws433a |
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| 02:25.00 | geel | the miata prompt comes up, what should i do? |
| 02:25.06 | digdig | sussudio, i have no idea what larch is ! |
| 02:25.17 | element | thomas_adam: i didn't feel like repeating the question, because i allready said it once and it seemed like it kind of got passed up. |
| 02:25.17 | geel | only installed debian on x86-hardware before |
| 02:25.40 | sussudio | !dict larch |
| 02:25.41 | thomas_adam | element: then that is your tough luck. |
| 02:25.43 | dpkg | Dictionary 'larch' (3 shown; 5 total): 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "larch" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" Larch ;; wood of a larch tree ;; any of numerous conifers of the genus Larix all having deciduous needlelike leaves . |
| 02:25.44 | digdig | sussudio, google returns lots of larch :-( |
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| 02:26.01 | mickeyks | g4lt: so i could also be said to have a "PCI motherboard"? |
| 02:26.12 | g4lt | sussudio yeah, we call them Tamaracks here |
| 02:26.19 | g4lt | mickeyks yeah |
| 02:26.26 | mickeyks | g4lt: ok thanks |
| 02:26.27 | sussudio | g4lt: i have a tamarack scanner somewhere |
| 02:26.31 | g4lt | sussudio it's local to Central Idaho |
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| 02:26.32 | geel | someone help me with miata? |
| 02:26.40 | geel | need help with miataaaaa :O |
| 02:26.45 | sussudio | geel: your car broke down? |
| 02:26.50 | mgrenon | haha |
| 02:26.52 | geel | sussudio, not really. |
| 02:26.53 | Guerin | !tell geel about ask |
| 02:27.01 | geel | and btw |
| 02:27.04 | mgrenon | mazda miata? |
| 02:27.07 | geel | my thoughts got fucked up :D |
| 02:27.10 | geel | i was supposed to say milo :D |
| 02:27.14 | geel | x) |
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| 02:27.30 | geel | the comp is digital pws 433a, the series or sth is miata :) |
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| 02:27.39 | geel | anyway |
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| 02:27.44 | Guerin | !enter |
| 02:27.44 | dpkg | The enter key or return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 02:27.50 | geel | the milo-prompt comes up, and i'm totallu clueless what i should do |
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| 02:27.54 | geel | totally* |
| 02:28.24 | g4lt | bah, it's a CR kay dammit!!!! |
| 02:28.31 | g4lt | !cr |
| 02:28.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, cr is Costa Rica. Carriage Return, or your fecking enter key ;) |
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| 02:29.15 | geel | so no-one wants to help me with milo? |
| 02:29.23 | Guerin | dpkg, enter =~ s/return/carriage return/ |
| 02:29.23 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 02:29.24 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: if you ain't got a carriage to return, it's not a carriage return key... |
| 02:29.32 | CompWizrd | in my day we had to hit cr AND lf! |
| 02:29.32 | sussudio | geel: isn't that for a sparc or something? |
| 02:29.37 | geel | sussudio, alpha |
| 02:29.45 | sussudio | :-| |
| 02:29.49 | geel | alpha and more specifically for alphas with alphabios |
| 02:30.05 | dondelelcaro | in a real person's day, there wasn't something called a carriage return key. It was a carriage return *lever* |
| 02:30.18 | geel | installing freebsd on that comp was pretty much less complicated :) |
| 02:30.23 | geel | but it's not too good for workstation use |
| 02:30.26 | g4lt | dondelelcaro tell me, when did UNIces adopt the DOS CRLF? otherwise, the enter key sends a CR. |
| 02:30.31 | mickeyks | g4lt: is it weird to have a board that supports both PCI and ISA? |
| 02:30.39 | barry|wookin | I thought it was the enter key? |
| 02:30.50 | qwe | mickeyks: no |
| 02:30.50 | CompWizrd | mickeyks: not at all |
| 02:30.50 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: who said anything about the CRLF garbage? |
| 02:30.54 | barry|wookin | g4lt nope |
| 02:30.54 | qwe | mine does |
| 02:31.00 | CompWizrd | i even have a p4 board at work that supports pci and isa. now that's rare ;) |
| 02:31.00 | mickeyks | ok thx guys |
| 02:31.22 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: I'm just saying that complaining about someone calling it a return key is silly, because there isn't a carriage attached to the keyboard. Hell, modern typewriters don't even have a carriage. |
| 02:31.28 | g4lt | mickeyks it's weird to have a NEW board that does it. It's standard to have old boards have both |
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| 02:31.34 | sussudio | CompWizrd: like trying to suck molasses through a straw |
| 02:31.36 | barry|wookin | CompWizard I want a board that does PCI express ISA PCI and AGP *x |
| 02:31.53 | CompWizrd | sussudio: it was $7000 for the PCI version of the isa card that was in the old machine |
| 02:31.57 | Amarande | heh |
| 02:31.57 | Amarande | well |
| 02:32.02 | g4lt | dondelelcaro no, they called it an "enter key", which is bogus. enter is for CRLF |
| 02:32.05 | Amarande | i guess you could try to wire your own mobo |
| 02:32.07 | Amarande | good luck :> |
| 02:32.09 | mickeyks | g4lt: ok |
| 02:32.26 | mgrenon | time to sodder |
| 02:32.33 | mgrenon | or however its spelled |
| 02:32.35 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: on many systems enter is a totally separate keycode from CRLF. You're now conflating keycodes with the result... |
| 02:32.39 | mdh | for the sixth time this week, I've told a cow-orker that he cannot do something (in this case, retrieve ms-dos file attributes from files stored on a samba server not doing posix extended attributes) because that information simply does not exist |
| 02:32.54 | mdh | can I now legally break his arms? |
| 02:32.56 | dondelelcaro | s/CRLF/return/ |
| 02:33.03 | Amarande | dondelelcaro: this is why we have termcap :> |
| 02:33.09 | rich_ | mgrenon Is it melting soft metal or a middle eastern gang leader? |
| 02:33.11 | mdh | because I'm so fucking tired of repeating myself |
| 02:33.11 | rich_ | :) |
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| 02:33.18 | barry|wookin | why nto call it the "do shit" key |
| 02:33.26 | mgrenon | rick_: hahaha, the first one :) |
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| 02:34.31 | mgrenon | dondelelcaro: you seem to know alot about keycodes and stuff, do you think you could look at an error im getting from X in #flood? |
| 02:34.42 | Guerin | mdh: you could try actually explaining it to him in proper technical language - that should scare him off |
| 02:34.44 | g4lt | dondelelcaro no, return is CR, it's just a degenerate form. my big issue is the DOS-ism "enter" |
| 02:34.57 | mickeyks | mdh: why don't you put something funny there for him to find? |
| 02:35.01 | rich_ | mgrenon 'solder' I think |
| 02:35.12 | mgrenon | rick_: thanks :) |
| 02:35.15 | mgrenon | rich_ |
| 02:35.25 | rich_ | mgrenon Np I asked apt |
| 02:35.38 | mgrenon | =P |
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| 02:36.21 | mdh | Guerin: no, I already tried that. He just bugs other cow-orkers now for all his problems instead of coming to me. But they have to pass him off to me, because I know what's going on and they don't. He just refuses to listen. |
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| 02:37.03 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: eh? It's not just a dos-ism. Many machines map enter to other things. Assuming "enter" only sends CRLF is a dosism. |
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| 02:38.00 | mgrenon | dondelelcaro: well if you change mind please tell me :) ive been researching for a while now |
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| 02:39.20 | g4lt | mdh you could always charge for trivial advice ;P |
| 02:39.32 | Guerin | mdh: talk to his manager.... suggest that his refusal to accpet the unfortunat limitations of the current infrastructure might be having a negative impact on morale, and that he should just take a positive attitude, and try to work as best he can with the resources available to him. |
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| 02:39.45 | scarynetworkguy | there is no chance that I, Robot is not going to suck is there? |
| 02:39.46 | Guerin | that would have been much clevererer without the typos |
| 02:39.46 | dondelelcaro | mgrenon: sorry, about to grab coffeee... |
| 02:39.57 | ZEA | how do I set ez-ipupdate to work with a NAT router? (ie, how do I set ez-ipupdate to get the ip addr from the dyndns server?) |
| 02:40.04 | mgrenon | dondelelcaro: np |
| 02:40.14 | thomas_adam | mgrenon: what's up? |
| 02:40.36 | mgrenon | thomas_adam: Xfree86 will not finish loading because of a keymap error of some sort |
| 02:40.45 | thomas_adam | mgrenon: What kind? |
| 02:40.49 | rich_ | hehe clever |
| 02:40.57 | mgrenon | thomas_adam: I can post the error in #flood |
| 02:41.02 | holycow | scarynetworkguy, about as much as the last cop movie he did |
| 02:41.04 | thomas_adam | mgrenon: Do so. |
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| 02:42.21 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy you figure it out, it's a third-rate producer hiring a second-rate director to use fourth-rate talent on a twelfth-rate screenwriter's interpretation of a first-rate author's masterpiece... |
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| 02:42.47 | Guerin | a bit like Troy, then |
| 02:43.11 | g4lt | Guerin without the gay-agenda, yes |
| 02:43.34 | thomas_adam | Troy is such a shit film. |
| 02:43.41 | Guerin | I was actually disappointed that Troy didn't have all the homoerotica it should have |
| 02:43.55 | Guerin | that would have at least made the relationships between the troops interesting |
| 02:44.07 | thomas_adam | No -- I don't believe _anyone_ that worked on that film has even heard of the Iliad, let alone read it. |
| 02:44.33 | rich_ | well that sounds great to me. I mean comparable to most movies. You have to remember that the first rate people are all overplayed so unless you want to watch another deniro or tarantyino movie you have to give the new people a chance... |
| 02:44.49 | Guerin | thomas_adam: My only hope from that movie is that someone ELSE, someone GOOD, will pick up sean bean and make The Odyssey with him |
| 02:44.59 | g4lt | thomas_adam I had some fun on a mailinglist breaking the news that there was a _sequel_ ;P |
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| 02:45.09 | thomas_adam | g4lt: Ugh. |
| 02:45.22 | Guerin | g4lt: you're not serious... |
| 02:45.35 | thomas_adam | Guerin: The problem is, the film "Troy" was an amalgum of both The Oddyssey and The Iliad, in parts. |
| 02:45.44 | g4lt | serious as a heart-attack. the dumbass even acted suprised |
| 02:46.11 | Guerin | thomas_adam: yeah, with a bunch of rewriting to fir hollywood specs |
| 02:46.15 | Guerin | s/fir/fit/ |
| 02:46.25 | opp | i cannot seem to get apt-cache srearch to work,why? |
| 02:46.33 | sussudio | srearch? |
| 02:46.36 | kremlyn | I'm just glad the best actor in Troy was an Aussie, from here in Melbourne |
| 02:46.43 | thomas_adam | I mean., fancy having _the_ crowning moment where the wooden horse idea is shown as: <>"Oh, what's that then?" || <> "Oh, I'm making this for me son..." -> next scene, this huge horse appears! I ask you! |
| 02:46.44 | kremlyn | Being Eric Bana, Hector. |
| 02:46.47 | Guerin | g4lt: that's just plain wrong. worse than alien3, if I may be so bold |
| 02:46.56 | thomas_adam | That, and Brad Pitt had mysteiously fucked-off for 45 mins during the film. |
| 02:47.03 | thomas_adam | Not that I am complaining.. |
| 02:47.07 | Guerin | thomas_adam: forehead-slapping stuff |
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| 02:47.31 | Guerin | thomas_adam: oh, but he did that in the epic as well, so it's alright to just not explain it |
| 02:47.31 | rich_ | Theres been very very few modern epics, I wouldnt blame troy for not being one of them. I have it and have not yet seen it. |
| 02:47.48 | rich_ | Theres been one, Joyces ulyses |
| 02:47.56 | mgrenon | mmm lotr |
| 02:47.56 | kremlyn | What about LOTR? |
| 02:47.58 | Hyp3rion | is the ps license dfsg compliante? |
| 02:48.00 | kremlyn | Like that's not an epic |
| 02:48.04 | Guerin | rich_: which will NEVER get made into a movie, thank the lord |
| 02:48.08 | Amarande | they need to make a Wheel of Time movie series |
| 02:48.14 | Guerin | kremlyn: that's another |
| 02:48.16 | Amarande | whats wrong with Joyce's Ulysses? |
| 02:48.17 | thomas_adam | Oh Brother Where Art Thou, was based on The Odyssey. :) |
| 02:48.21 | Amarande | not that ive ever read it |
| 02:48.25 | mgrenon | I like Raymond E. Fiest |
| 02:48.39 | Guerin | Amarande: nothing, but nobody will ever have the madness to make a fillum of it |
| 02:48.40 | rich_ | Amarande It contains a lot of fantasy sequences. |
| 02:48.41 | mgrenon | Riftwar Betrayal at Krondor |
| 02:48.43 | kremlyn | Amarande: Word. They really do need to make a series out of Wheel of Time. |
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| 02:49.01 | Guerin | thomas_adam: but loosely enough for it to be good in its own right |
| 02:49.13 | CompWizrd | it's been so long since i've read wheel of time i don't even remember most of the plotline to start reading the latest book that has come out :) |
| 02:49.19 | g4lt | Amarande I'd prefer to see a movie based on _Finnegan's Wake_ ;P |
| 02:49.29 | mgrenon | has anyone here read Betrayal at Krondor? |
| 02:49.41 | thomas_adam | Guerin: If you like George Clooney -- personally it is huge fuck-off eyebrows that define his ability.... |
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| 02:49.50 | sussudio | badger.swf: the movie. |
| 02:49.50 | Guerin | g4lt: based on which part? |
| 02:49.57 | Hyp3rion | baaa! is the planeshift license dfsg compliante? |
| 02:49.59 | kremlyn | Anyone read "Enders Game" and "Ender's shadow" ? |
| 02:50.04 | thomas_adam | Bed time. |
| 02:50.07 | kremlyn | By Orson Scott Card? |
| 02:50.18 | g4lt | Guerin I'm thinking one of the whole-book movies... ;P |
| 02:50.23 | dendrite | Hyp3rion: I'm seeing that procps is GPL... Why do you ask? |
| 02:50.42 | Guerin | thomas_adam: yeah, george is alright. The script was smart, that's wwhat made it for me. |
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| 02:50.47 | Hyp3rion | dendrite - not procps planeshift |
| 02:50.56 | dendrite | Ah, I did a lastlog after I posted that. |
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| 02:51.01 | mgrenon | planeshift as in the mmorpg |
| 02:51.04 | Guerin | g4lt: too ... much ... information ...... can't.... make... screeenplay |
| 02:51.11 | dendrite | What license is it -- dunno. |
| 02:51.24 | g4lt | Guerin yeah, ain't it sweet? ;P |
| 02:51.44 | Hyp3rion | dendrite - http://www.planeshift.it/pslicense.html |
| 02:52.14 | Guerin | g4lt: I'd do a kieslowski on it, and make a bunch of short sections of it into mini-features, like the dekalog only not so grim |
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| 02:54.06 | dendrite | Hyp3rion: The code is, obviously, but the Planeshift license is not, as far as I can see. |
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| 02:54.29 | Hyp3rion | dendrite - not gpl, but is it dfsg compliant? |
| 02:54.36 | dendrite | Hyp3rion: no. |
| 02:54.42 | dendrite | Hyp3rion: far from free. |
| 02:54.50 | Hyp3rion | dendrite - :-( |
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| 02:55.05 | dendrite | Hyp3rion: Look at parts 2 and 3 of http://www.planeshift.it/pslicense.html |
| 02:55.19 | dendrite | That covers the stuff that's not GPL. |
| 02:55.32 | _steven__ | what else have you done |
| 02:56.08 | sussudio | bah spammy left |
| 02:56.22 | sussudio | :-P |
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| 02:57.17 | dendrite | Hyp3rion: Technically, that license prohibits reading that license! What a mess. |
| 02:57.20 | mgrenon | hmm is it even possible to make good software in linux on a closed source license? (other than games, those tend to be alright closed) |
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| 02:57.41 | Guerin | mgrenon: wineX |
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| 02:57.54 | Hyp3rion | sussudio - planeshift is a game and is opensource |
| 02:58.00 | Guerin | mgrenon: it's not entirely open |
| 02:58.07 | Hyp3rion | BAH |
| 02:58.09 | dendrite | mgrenon: Certainly it's possible. Check out Codeweaver's version of WINE, for an example. |
| 02:58.11 | mgrenon | guerin: its not completely closed.. i mean like ut2k4 closed |
| 02:58.16 | Hyp3rion | mgrenon not sussudio - planeshift is a game and is opensource |
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| 02:58.46 | dendrite | Open Source does not equal free, of course. |
| 02:59.01 | Guerin | mgrenon: well, can't think of anything then. I expect it would have to have some massively important functionality which wasn't replicated by anything free, and wasn't able to be easily cloned |
| 02:59.31 | geel | oh fuck.. |
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| 02:59.42 | mgrenon | what bothers me is why would anyone hide their source code? you can still make a commercial product |
| 02:59.43 | geel | the installer on alpha is something very not user friendly. |
| 02:59.45 | geel | gah. |
| 02:59.48 | Guerin | mgrenon: and given that free software can accomplish most anything that's currently needed, the company would have to propagate its own functionality, make it vital - and that's the rreally hard job |
| 02:59.52 | dendrite | mgrenon: There are lots of engineering and design tools that are quite good and closed source. |
| 03:00.03 | Hyp3rion | dendrite - meh so it may never make it into debian? :-( |
| 03:00.11 | mgrenon | Lightwave |
| 03:00.12 | Guerin | maybe CAD? |
| 03:00.29 | dendrite | Hyp3rion: Not with a license that says you can't use it except to connect to their servers! |
| 03:00.38 | Guerin | mgrenon: a really good video-editing suite? |
| 03:00.45 | dendrite | Hyp3rion: The parts of the source that are GPL are obviously OK, just not the other bits. |
| 03:00.52 | mgrenon | better than that 3d studio max crap |
| 03:01.12 | Hyp3rion | mgrenon - blender? povray? |
| 03:01.16 | geel | any alpha-users online? |
| 03:01.25 | mgrenon | lightwave costs like 900 something bucks if i remember right |
| 03:01.30 | geel | warez? |
| 03:01.32 | Hyp3rion | tho vue d'espirite is really good and closed :-( |
| 03:01.43 | Guerin | geel: if people were able to help you, they would. Just have patience. |
| 03:01.56 | Guerin | !warez |
| 03:01.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, warez is what GNU/Linux do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/comics/20011214.gif, or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 03:02.07 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - virtual dub, bcast2000 = opensource perfect video editors |
| 03:02.18 | dendrite | geel: Try asking a specific question, rather than just taking a poll... |
| 03:02.18 | mgrenon | see what bothers me is distributing binarys.. I wish I could run Unreal Tournament 2004 on a Solaris Sparc machine |
| 03:02.24 | Hyp3rion | dendrite - i see thanks! :-/ |
| 03:02.32 | geel | k |
| 03:03.04 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: I've only used avid - when I was at film school, before I got into *nix, and when I had huge hardware to play with :) |
| 03:03.07 | geel | i try to install debian on an alpha from a cd, i'm using alphabios, then i boot with the cd, but never get to the installer, instead i get a milo-prompt, what should i do? |
| 03:03.10 | mgrenon | why in gods name would you do that? if you just distrubute the source code people could prob get the program working on any os |
| 03:03.26 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: I just hear a lot of complaint about video editing software |
| 03:03.47 | Guerin | geel: look for an alpha install howto |
| 03:03.54 | geel | doesn't help a bit. |
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| 03:04.34 | dan2 | cafuego: could I get the source to your blog? |
| 03:04.36 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - yes for really good video editing sw companies code their own :-/ |
| 03:04.42 | dendrite | geel: have you tried the usual things like pressing enter? |
| 03:04.50 | geel | yes? |
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| 03:05.05 | Guerin | geel: ask on debian-alpha as well |
| 03:05.07 | mgrenon | ah man, now you guys got me upset.. i wish i could use a sparc instead of this pos x86 for gaming |
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| 03:05.10 | mgrenon | :) |
| 03:05.16 | rich_ | Well its like cad programs or ai talkers, people get all excited because they saw a picture of a really sophisticated thing on some other os, so when they cant sit down at the computer and use all that sophisticated stuff they just blame linux |
| 03:05.28 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: fair enough too |
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| 03:05.36 | rich_ | They dont realise it takes brains |
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| 03:05.53 | sussudio | braaaaaains |
| 03:05.59 | Guerin | rich_: yes, there's definitely that "what, I have to LEARN this program before I can create cool stuff in it?" syndrome |
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| 03:06.45 | mgrenon | how good is winex these days? |
| 03:07.03 | Hyp3rion | mgrenon - reactos is better :-P~~~ |
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| 03:08.05 | mgrenon | Hyp3rion: ive never heard of reactos i just asked dpkg about it.. dang now i want to research it :( but x isnt working and lynx gives me a headache |
| 03:08.16 | jaxxan | i'm kind of scared to run an apt-get upgrade at this point in time. I see there's a new kernel-package-2.6.5 that it wants to upgrade. I am running 2.6.5 atm and the last time when i was running 2.6.4 and i did the apt-get upgrade, it installed the new kernel without me wanting it to and i had to rebuild the whole damn thing all over again. am i doing something wrong or perhaps there is something i should do to prevent those things from happening ? |
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| 03:08.29 | Hyp3rion | mgrenon - oh. http://reactos.com |
| 03:08.53 | Hyp3rion | mgrenon - but i guess it doesnt look too good with lynx :-( |
| 03:09.17 | peterS | jaxxan: if you have the meta-package 'kernel-image-2.6-686' or similar, it will automatically upgrade your kernel to the latest 2.6 available |
| 03:09.29 | peterS | jaxxan: if you don't, but just have 'kernel-image-2.6.5-686' or whatever, then it won't |
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| 03:09.49 | mgrenon | Hyp3rion: sounds good exept for the part its not linux =P |
| 03:09.53 | mgrenon | err unix |
| 03:10.21 | jaxxan | peterS: how do i know if i have a meta-package or not ? |
| 03:10.33 | Hyp3rion | mgrenon - it's an opensource windoze clone. runs many abiword... mostly nt4.0 comatible but they plan to implement xp too :-/ |
| 03:10.34 | peterS | jaxxan: dpkg -l kernel-image-2.6\* |
| 03:10.35 | dendrite | geel: Using floppy? |
| 03:10.41 | Guerin | jaxxan: dpkg -l |grep kernel-image |
| 03:10.47 | peterS | jaxxan: it will show what packages of that name you have installed, and which ones you do not |
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| 03:11.26 | sussudio | don't version me pety |
| 03:11.28 | geel | debianhelp.org helped me! |
| 03:11.33 | geel | i'm gonna crap my pants! |
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| 03:11.39 | geel | the installer started! |
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| 03:11.53 | Guerin | geel: amazing. Now stop hitting enter like a rabid monky |
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| 03:12.00 | mgrenon | hyp3rion: doesnt sound like something I want connected to the net :) |
| 03:12.09 | Hyp3rion | wtf is everyone versioning me? i run debian not reactos... |
| 03:12.10 | Guerin | s/monky/monkey/ natch |
| 03:12.12 | jaxxan | ii kernel-image-2 2.4.25-3 Linux kernel image for version 2.4.25 on 386 |
| 03:12.18 | dendrite | geel: What was the incantation? |
| 03:12.25 | jaxxan | that's the only thing it shows |
| 03:13.01 | jaxxan | that's the one that was installed when i first put debian on my laptop. |
| 03:13.02 | Guerin | jaxxan: then you don't have any 2.6 kernels installed |
| 03:13.13 | Guerin | jaxxan: from debian, anyway |
| 03:13.29 | jaxxan | right, i did a 'apt-get install kernel-package-2.6.5' manually |
| 03:13.32 | Hyp3rion | mgrenon - lol good point |
| 03:13.34 | zignig | dendrite: om-mun-ni-om-i-podne |
| 03:13.37 | jaxxan | then compiled it |
| 03:13.40 | Guerin | jaxxan: it should still show |
| 03:13.55 | mgrenon | Hyp3rion: it did say something about it being a subsystem.. not sure how that works |
| 03:13.59 | jaxxan | hrm... doesn't )= |
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| 03:14.08 | rich_ | Hyp3rion hehe Well I like everything Ive heard about reactos, just because I think it will compliment wine. |
| 03:14.13 | dendrite | zignig: Heh. For a Zen install... =) |
| 03:14.13 | jaxxan | Linux thumper 2.6.5 #12 Fri May 21 14:09:45 SST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 03:14.14 | debian | Hyp3rion: because /ver you is the greatest thing ever in history. :) |
| 03:14.31 | Hyp3rion | debian - HEHE |
| 03:14.50 | zignig | dendrite: :) |
| 03:14.51 | Hyp3rion | debian - did you create a fan site of my /ver replys too?? |
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| 03:15.22 | mgrenon | hyp3rion: have you ever tried it before? im not sure if they could be as a good the ms team.. the amount of money they make would make me one good coder :) |
| 03:15.23 | ledestin | Hyp3rion: no fan site, just bash.org |
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| 03:15.42 | debian | Hyp3rion: not until you sent me nude pics |
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| 03:16.35 | gpm | can anyone walk me through dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config? i'm trying unsucessfully to set up a smarthost for outgoing mail (incoming recieved via fetchmail) |
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| 03:17.34 | Hyp3rion | mgrenon - ? which? i tried both ms nt4.0 and reactos too :-/ tho i tried reactos0.1.4 and they are at 0.2.2 now :-/ that could only run java bytecode graphical apps, now it can run native code as well. |
| 03:17.46 | rich_ | mgrenon good as the ms team? Did you know 60% of microsoft coders are temp workers? Now that you know that, doesnt it put things in a different perspective? |
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| 03:17.46 | Hyp3rion | mgrenon - but i tried it in vmware only :-/ |
| 03:18.01 | Hyp3rion | ledestin :-) true |
| 03:18.29 | mgrenon | hyp3rion: oh :( the only reason I would want to touch it would be for games.. but the idea of rebooting my computer for a quick game makes me sick :) |
| 03:18.51 | barry|wookin | Is there a way I can have two connections to a server via ssh I am trying to connect a second time and getting connection refused |
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| 03:19.07 | Hyp3rion | debian - how to? |
| 03:19.13 | Hyp3rion | XD |
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| 03:19.32 | dendrite | barry|wookin: There usually isn't any limit on ssh connection counts. |
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| 03:19.53 | dendrite | barry|wookin: Do you have one session established? |
| 03:20.03 | barry|wookin | hmm tehn why would ti be denying connection when I am currently connected to it |
| 03:20.08 | barry|wookin | yes |
| 03:20.12 | sussudio | heh. death by fruit. |
| 03:20.21 | barry|wookin | I want to one tale in one window while I restart a service |
| 03:20.30 | dendrite | barry|wookin: Is the machine listening on port 22? try 'netstat -na | grep -w LISTEN |
| 03:20.36 | barry|wookin | to see the failures |
| 03:21.03 | barry|wookin | yes it is |
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| 03:21.24 | dendrite | barry|wookin: what errors are in the logs from the other connection attempts? |
| 03:21.28 | barry|wookin | ahh wait but not with the correct IP |
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| 03:22.40 | dendrite | barry|wookin: There's always 'screen'. :-) |
| 03:24.12 | Hyp3rion | meh |
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| 03:24.19 | Hyp3rion | s/fun/run/ |
| 03:24.19 | sussudio | bEaChBuggY: spammy! |
| 03:24.21 | barry|wookin | what is screen? |
| 03:24.24 | simonrvn | Hyp3rion: never heard of rate limiting i guess |
| 03:24.46 | Hyp3rion | simonrvn - iptables? |
| 03:24.47 | dendrite | barry|wookin: Lets you use one ssh session to control multiple shells. |
| 03:25.00 | Hyp3rion | simonrvn - -m limit --limit 1/min -j ACCEPT |
| 03:25.04 | barry|wookin | oh nice |
| 03:25.09 | dendrite | barry|wookin: One ssh session, or terminal, or whatever. |
| 03:25.13 | simonrvn | Hyp3rion: no, server side. e.g., limiting number of processes for instance |
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| 03:25.36 | hax | anyone know of a good nes emulator for linux? |
| 03:25.38 | Xenguy | barry|wookin: also preserves the seesion if the SSH connection crashes :-) |
| 03:25.47 | Hyp3rion | simonrvn - and -j DROP everything at the end... but i wanted to block people i dont know who are just scanning random ips for popular ports i guess or i dunno... |
| 03:26.02 | Xenguy | barry|wookin: also allows detaching and re-attaching of said session :-) |
| 03:26.20 | dendrite | barry|wookin: What Xenguy said -- you can alsop purposely detach a screen session, to re-attach from a different place. |
| 03:26.21 | hooya | i'm baaack |
| 03:26.27 | Hyp3rion | hooya - hi! |
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| 03:26.32 | hooya | how you doin Hyp3rion |
| 03:26.34 | dendrite | s/op /o / |
| 03:26.39 | Xenguy | dendrite: way cool - I love it :-) |
| 03:26.41 | barry|wookin | oh ok hmm I will look into it |
| 03:26.45 | barry|wookin | |
| 03:27.01 | Hyp3rion | hooya - nice :-) did you get those boxes to netboot now? |
| 03:27.11 | dendrite | barry|wookin: Of course I just litter my desktop with tons of xterm windows. :-) |
| 03:27.14 | hooya | i got the diskless client booting, with root over NFS. |
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| 03:27.22 | taylorrrrr | hello |
| 03:27.33 | simonrvn | Hyp3rion: having a good security policy is just as good as having a good firewall. you could be wide open iptables-wise, but if your security policy is solid, that kind of thing is good. i'm not saying to *not* packet filter, i'm saying they go hand in hand |
| 03:27.35 | Hyp3rion | hooya - btw, i just wondered you may get about 120bogoMIPS from 4 486, worse than a p1 :-( |
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| 03:27.42 | rich_ | taylorrrrr hi |
| 03:27.44 | taylorrrrr | does anyone know how to play music on mammoth v0.1.3??? |
| 03:27.50 | dendrite | Xenguy: How does screen handle a change in the rows and columns when you re-attach? |
| 03:27.51 | taylorrrrr | im slow and this is pissing me off |
| 03:27.58 | taylorrrrr | hi rich |
| 03:28.01 | dendrite | Xenguy: Just a SIGWINCH? |
| 03:28.08 | hooya | Hyp3rion, yeah. i realize that. i have a p4 laptop that will prolly outperform the 4 PPros. |
| 03:28.10 | Hyp3rion | !gratulate hooya |
| 03:28.12 | sussudio | mammoths are extinct, man. |
| 03:28.21 | Xenguy | dendrite: I just do Ctrl-L to redraw -- I've never needed anything else |
| 03:28.34 | taylorrrrr | lol |
| 03:28.34 | hooya | Hyp3rion, but it was an excercise in getting a MPI cluster setup |
| 03:28.41 | dendrite | Xenguy: Mmm. |
| 03:28.46 | hooya | i'm taking a parallel prog class too.. |
| 03:29.22 | Hyp3rion | simonrvn - true. |
| 03:29.23 | hooya | Hyp3rion, so this should give me a decent testbed. purely acdemic |
| 03:29.36 | taylorrrrr | how old is everyone in here....ur using big words |
| 03:29.43 | barry|wookin | anyone know why i would be getting an unexpected end of input for bind9 what is it expecting at the end ";;;"??? |
| 03:30.04 | Hyp3rion | mamoth is 1 m (2 total) nope? |
| 03:30.08 | Hyp3rion | !spell mammoth |
| 03:30.08 | dpkg | 'mammoth' may be spelled correctly |
| 03:30.14 | Xenguy | taylorrrrr: young != illiterate =) |
| 03:30.16 | hooya | i setup a bare bones deb using debootstrap to setup the root for the clients. works nice. except.. |
| 03:30.21 | Hyp3rion | what? ispell is b0rk3d! |
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| 03:30.44 | taylorrrrr | i g2g |
| 03:30.46 | hooya | Hyp3rion, now i'm getting out of memory on the clients. i don't have swap on the clients (they are diskless) and i read somewhere that swap over NFS is a no no. |
| 03:30.55 | gpm | what's the most lightweight easy to setup MTA in apt? |
| 03:31.05 | barry|wookin | gpm exim? |
| 03:31.06 | zignig | gpm: apt-get install exim |
| 03:31.21 | hooya | do i need a swap? how do i do it for a diskless root-over-NFS setup? |
| 03:31.24 | zignig | gpm: which should already be installed |
| 03:31.27 | gpm | barry|wookin: can exim3 do SMTP auth? |
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| 03:31.35 | Xenguy | gpm: exim is the default in Debian; postfix is nice too |
| 03:31.44 | zignig | hooya: not really |
| 03:31.46 | Hyp3rion | hooya - swap over nfs? not a good idea |
| 03:32.05 | gpm | i'm having trouble getting exim4 to use a smarthost with SMTP AUTH |
| 03:32.15 | Guerin | gpm: smtp auth is tricky, no matter how you slice it - there's no easy way |
| 03:32.18 | hooya | Hyp3rion, that's what i thought. apt-* and dpkg* is aborting saying 'out of memory'. what do i do? |
| 03:32.20 | Hyp3rion | hooya - wait how much total memory do you have? |
| 03:32.37 | hooya | 42M total. |
| 03:32.45 | gpm | Guerin: yeah. in gentoo they have something called nbsmtp? i dunno if there's an equivalent in apt or not... |
| 03:32.47 | hooya | 32M is free |
| 03:32.58 | Hyp3rion | hooya - dpkg works for 16meg ram |
| 03:33.00 | beth | gpm: describe it and we'll tell you |
| 03:33.09 | Hyp3rion | s/for/with/ |
| 03:33.15 | barry|wookin | hell if I know I am getting unexpected end of input in bind I can't figure this out how can I figure out other peopels problems |
| 03:33.26 | hooya | i've got 2x that. but still won't work. what gives? |
| 03:33.34 | Guerin | gpm: I dunno. I have done postfix+sasl+mysql and it's not that hard if you follow a howto |
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| 03:33.40 | dendrite | barry|wookin: Missing semicolon in the conf? |
| 03:33.50 | dendrite | barry|wookin: Or missing '}'... |
| 03:34.45 | gpm | beth: http://nbsmtp.ferdyx.org/index.php/AboutNbsmtp |
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| 03:35.43 | Hyp3rion | hooya - wait i dont get it. you run dpkg on the diskless machine cluster over ssh with nfs root? |
| 03:35.50 | Hyp3rion | hooya - or on the nfs server? |
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| 03:36.54 | hooya | ok. right now, i'm loggin in to the tty on the diskless machine. it's got the entire filesystem over nfs from another server. i'd like to run dpkg/apt from the tty of the diskless node. |
| 03:36.55 | barry|wookin | dendrite maybe But I dunno where its a file i copied straight for a working bind on an older redhat machien |
| 03:36.58 | orospakr | blaurgh, not again! |
| 03:37.05 | simonrvn | ji5p2o32/1/1pjkdv |
| 03:37.36 | sussudio | are the spambots quitting by themselves or getting klined? |
| 03:37.39 | dendrite | hooya: You might try running it on the nfs server -- search dpkg man page for 'chroot' |
| 03:38.18 | hooya | dendrite, yeah, i've been thinking about that. how about apt-*? but i'd still prefer doing it on the tty of the dickless node. |
| 03:38.21 | hooya | oops |
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| 03:38.31 | hooya | s/dickless/diskless/ ;) |
| 03:38.47 | dendrite | hooya: I've heard dickless used in that context before. :-) |
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| 03:39.10 | hooya | me too. i was thinkin it. frueden slip (i need ispell or something..) |
| 03:39.48 | barry|wookin | strange some work others don't very confusing |
| 03:39.51 | Hyp3rion | LOL |
| 03:39.57 | hooya | i guess, i need to give some balls to the dickless node ;) |
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| 03:40.06 | dendrite | hooya: I guess you could ssh to the nfs server, create a chroot shell and apt-* from there... |
| 03:40.14 | hooya | ah |
| 03:40.19 | hooya | that would work. |
| 03:40.30 | Guerin | gpm: nbsmtp isn't in debian, as far as I can see. Best to just use exim, adn ask about the config #exim, I guess |
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| 03:40.38 | hooya | dendrite, Hyp3rion, i'm just wondering if this is not a sign of some other thing that's amiss.. |
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| 03:40.55 | gpm | Guerin: yeah...i'm looking at ssmtp though, it looks similar to nbsmtp |
| 03:41.07 | geel | ack, fucking milo.. installed debian, but i have no clue how to boot it with milo |
| 03:41.21 | dendrite | hooya: 42M ain't a lot... maybe run 'vmstat 3' or similar, on the dickless. |
| 03:41.31 | geel | hmh. or then my hardware just sucks |
| 03:41.38 | sussudio | dendrite: freud would be proud |
| 03:41.39 | hooya | you want me to measure the length and the girth? |
| 03:41.48 | hooya | ahh.. maybe that was a bit too low.. |
| 03:41.53 | dendrite | Freud is out having a cigar. =) |
| 03:42.07 | simonrvn | hooya: freudian |
| 03:42.14 | hash | Freud was a coke addict |
| 03:42.17 | cafuego | SUCKING on the cigar? |
| 03:42.22 | simonrvn | dendrite: sometimes a cigar is just a cigar |
| 03:42.31 | hooya | and sometime it's a good smoke |
| 03:42.31 | bobstro | monica |
| 03:42.37 | cafuego | freud was a fraud |
| 03:42.39 | Hyp3rion | lol everyone studies psychology here? |
| 03:42.40 | hash | and sometimes a hard penis is just a hard penis |
| 03:42.43 | simonrvn | cafuego: agreed |
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| 03:42.47 | Kruz | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.25-1-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro /dev/hdc=ide-scsi -- assuming that is correct.. is it? thats how i want to init my ide drives as scsi for cdrecord to work. correct? |
| 03:42.53 | hooya | and sometimes you have to go dickless |
| 03:42.55 | cafuego | and sill everyone believed him, just like the bible. |
| 03:42.59 | barry|wookin | is there a bind channel? |
| 03:43.06 | simonrvn | cafuego: s/bible/bibble/ |
| 03:43.06 | sussudio | barry|wookin: yes |
| 03:43.16 | bobstro | cafuego: sure, just like everyone now is into atkins diets, etc. etc. |
| 03:43.19 | g4lt | barry|wookin /msg chanserv list #*bind* |
| 03:43.20 | cafuego | freud was simply projecting his own sexual fantasies about his mum onto his clients |
| 03:43.20 | barry|wookin | sussudio what might it be called |
| 03:43.24 | sussudio | barry|wookin: guess |
| 03:43.39 | hooya | like that one bash.org entry |
| 03:43.42 | cafuego | bobstro: That'll pass when they start suffering from malnutricion. |
| 03:43.43 | simonrvn | barry|wookin: read what g4lt said |
| 03:43.53 | dendrite | Freud's work on ID and EGO was pretty interesting though. |
| 03:44.00 | cafuego | bobstro: ... or die. |
| 03:44.10 | bobstro | cafuego: probably. or heart disease. but people always latch on to someone that tells them "it's not your fault" |
| 03:44.36 | bobstro | dendrite: he was a pioneer, granted. hate to think what pain he caused poor kids everywhere though. |
| 03:44.38 | Kruz | stick /dev/hdc=ide-scsi at the end of my kernel line in grub to have it notice my drives are in "scsi emulation" correct? |
| 03:44.44 | cafuego | bobstro: well, stupid people like $NOT_ME anyway |
| 03:44.53 | Kruz | s/drives/drive |
| 03:45.38 | barry|wookin | so all the bind channels are empty great |
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| 03:45.47 | Hyp3rion | not ide-scsi=/dev/hdc? |
| 03:45.55 | Kruz | hmmm |
| 03:46.05 | Hyp3rion | Kruz - and ide-scsi is obsolete in 2.6.x... |
| 03:46.08 | klys | is there a way to read the current tv program with bttv? |
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| 03:46.13 | Kruz | Hyp3rion: i'm not using 2.6.x |
| 03:46.14 | klys | fbtv? |
| 03:46.16 | Kruz | Hyp3rion: i'm using 2.4.x |
| 03:46.19 | Hyp3rion | oic. |
| 03:46.46 | dendrite | scarynetworkguy: Who is strawberries? |
| 03:46.54 | Kruz | hmm, why doesnt debian use devfs? or am i just being retarded? |
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| 03:46.57 | hooya | dendrite, Hyp3rion, what i'm having trouble with is that, this box used to run win95/98 before they were about to toss it out which is when i inherited it. now if i can't run the barebones kernel with 10 procs running at the most (almost all k* procs with two gettys), and i want to run one more proc and it's out of memory.. that's interesting isn't it? |
| 03:47.12 | scarynetworkguy | dendrite :) |
| 03:47.14 | Hyp3rion | Kruz - there is devfs. but devfs sucks! |
| 03:47.21 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, hi there.. |
| 03:47.21 | element | how do i add a service to start when i boot up? |
| 03:47.22 | Kruz | nah |
| 03:47.25 | Kruz | devfs isnt bad |
| 03:47.28 | scarynetworkguy | I love having a yard |
| 03:47.31 | scarynetworkguy | hooya hey |
| 03:47.36 | dendrite | hooya: Well, 42M ain't a lot of core... |
| 03:47.38 | Hyp3rion | Kruz - why not /dev with ./MAKEDEV update |
| 03:47.50 | Hyp3rion | udev isnt a lot better too :-/ |
| 03:47.54 | hooya | dendrite, i was afraid you were gonna say that.. |
| 03:47.56 | Guerin | element: man update-rc.d |
| 03:47.56 | Kruz | Hyp3rion: i didnt know that was even there... |
| 03:48.12 | element | Guerin: ahh it's update-rc, not rc-update like i'm using to, thanks :) |
| 03:48.15 | Penix | !hug devfs |
| 03:48.17 | element | *used |
| 03:48.48 | Kruz | Hyp3rion: so in theory, the grub line should look like... kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.25-1-386 root=/dev/hda1 ro ide-scsi=/dev/hdc |
| 03:48.56 | hooya | i'm gonna try trimmin the kernel this weekend to squeeze out a few more Ks.. |
| 03:49.20 | Hyp3rion | hooya - no i tell you debian runs happily on 16m ram. there is some other issue :-/ |
| 03:49.22 | klys | is there a better place for fbtv? |
| 03:49.35 | simonrvn | Penix: are you well today? |
| 03:49.36 | hooya | Hyp3rion, that's what i'm thinking.. |
| 03:49.41 | dendrite | hooya: What processes are you trying to run? |
| 03:49.45 | scarynetworkguy | hooya 1987 called they want their memory back |
| 03:50.30 | dendrite | scarynetworkguy: in '87 42M would have been a fair good amount... |
| 03:50.31 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, 1987 called and they want more than their just their memory back. the box, the 2x CD and a bunch of ISA cards that aren't in the box anymore.. ;) |
| 03:50.40 | Hyp3rion | Kruz - yes try that. looks good. |
| 03:51.02 | scarynetworkguy | dendrite hell in 1987 42M was a fucking big server. |
| 03:51.09 | Hyp3rion | y/on|ram/with|gera/ |
| 03:51.18 | bobstro | scarynetworkguy: 16M was too! |
| 03:51.22 | debian | !lart Hyp3rion |
| 03:51.24 | debian | you ask for it. :) |
| 03:51.27 | scarynetworkguy | hooya you better get it them |
| 03:51.35 | bobstro | scarynetworkguy: that's back when netware needed special parms to deal with "big" memory. |
| 03:51.38 | Hyp3rion | debian++ |
| 03:52.20 | Hyp3rion | debian - it can be hell with all lines including 'debian' hilighting :-! |
| 03:52.29 | scarynetworkguy | bobstro been there done that |
| 03:52.31 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: With a rail gun, it still is today. |
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| 03:52.49 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego :) yes but I have it on display in my cube |
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| 03:53.19 | hooya | aight folks, let's all come back from 1987 and concentrate on 2004. which is what they call 'now'. don't ask me why. |
| 03:53.24 | debian | Hyp3rion: that doesn't really matter. Actually not many people refering to 'debian' here |
| 03:53.31 | dendrite | Or was I running Coherent by then. Sh*t, I don't remember... |
| 03:53.54 | scarynetworkguy | hooya stupid linear time |
| 03:53.56 | dendrite | hooya: You started it! |
| 03:54.02 | bobstro | i was futzing trying to get minix :) |
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| 03:54.11 | mickeyks | does linux only support scsi CD burners? |
| 03:54.22 | hooya | dendrite, scroll up and see the first mention of 1987. not me. na-ah. :) |
| 03:54.22 | debian | mickeyks: of course. :XD |
| 03:54.27 | zignig | mickeyks: ide is faked as scsi. |
| 03:54.27 | scarynetworkguy | dendrite technically speaking I started it |
| 03:54.30 | dendrite | bobstro: Heh. At the sime time Linus was copying it? ;-) |
| 03:54.35 | mickeyks | oh ok |
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| 03:54.52 | dendrite | hooya: Yeah, but you're re-living the eighties TODAY!!! =) |
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| 03:55.05 | scarynetworkguy | dendrite I wrote Linux don't let anybody else tell you diffrent |
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| 03:55.15 | Hyp3rion | mickeyks - hell NO! |
| 03:55.25 | Hyp3rion | mickeyks - ide-atapi works fine! |
| 03:55.25 | Penix | simonrvn: eh?...not really |
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| 03:55.55 | sussudio | dendrite: the penis version? |
| 03:55.59 | FieldySnuts | @say apt: moron dpkg |
| 03:56.01 | ravenbird | apt: moron dpkg |
| 03:56.02 | apt | ravenbird: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 03:56.15 | scarynetworkguy | dendrite what is says is "Linux was written by scarynetwork guy he rocks" |
| 03:56.21 | Hyp3rion | FieldySnuts :-) |
| 03:56.25 | Hyp3rion | PEBMAC! |
| 03:56.29 | debian | mickeyks: actually latest cdrecord burn with ATAPI - ide |
| 03:57.06 | Hyp3rion | !AdTI? |
| 03:57.06 | scarynetworkguy | I say we nuke Europe from orbit. It's the only way to be sure |
| 03:57.06 | sussudio | ADHD? |
| 03:57.24 | dendrite | Hyp3rion: M$ sock puppet "research" organization. |
| 03:57.26 | zignig | scarynetworkguy: good plan NOT ! |
| 03:57.31 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio did you call me? |
| 03:57.36 | scarynetworkguy | zignig why not? |
| 03:57.45 | cafuego | "new froody disease which means i can misbehave and get away with it coz i'm a spilt brat"? |
| 03:57.49 | dendrite | scarynetworkguy: Are you sure we shouldn't declare war on Canada first?? |
| 03:57.54 | scarynetworkguy | zignig also did you get ther refrence? |
| 03:57.58 | zignig | scarynetworkguy: ummmm , coz you'd kill a whole pile of innocent civilians ? |
| 03:58.04 | scarynetworkguy | dendrite I thought they were a state already. |
| 03:58.20 | dendrite | scarynetworkguy: Ah, right. |
| 03:58.24 | scarynetworkguy | zignig you but their Europeans. :) |
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| 03:58.44 | scarynetworkguy | dendrite we still let them pretend to be a country? |
| 03:58.45 | dendrite | scarynetworkguy: Of course them being a state doesn't stop us from declaring war, now does it?? |
| 03:58.50 | Xenguy | scarynetworkguy: yeah, and we all live in frickin igloos too :P |
| 03:59.09 | zignig | dendrite: declaring war ? , when was the last time that was done ? |
| 03:59.10 | scarynetworkguy | dendrite nope |
| 03:59.18 | hooya | what's with the gloos and the dendrite? |
| 03:59.31 | dendrite | zignig: Good point. Today we just go in shooting. |
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| 03:59.35 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy send me some of those french fries with cheese and gravy |
| 03:59.41 | zignig | dendrite: "police action" |
| 03:59.49 | dondelelcaro | please take the politics elsewhere. |
| 03:59.49 | Xenguy | scarynetworkguy: I think the last time we kicked your ass was 1867 :P |
| 03:59.57 | scarynetworkguy | dendrite but then again I think California and then everything east of Denver should be nuked |
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| 04:00.15 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy true that. Now what is that one thing with the gravy and the cheese called? |
| 04:00.26 | dendrite | scarynetworkguy: I dunno, I think CA is kinda cute... |
| 04:00.41 | Poseidon | como faço para atualizar o Xfree ? |
| 04:00.45 | Xenguy | scarynetworkguy: you tell me - the USSA is the fast food paradise AFAIK |
| 04:00.52 | Poseidon | o meu eh xfree version 4.1.0.1 |
| 04:00.54 | Hyp3rion | ^_^ |
| 04:00.54 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, dont' nuke IL. i still got mini-me's to make. and i'm planning on making a whole bunch of 'em tonight ;) |
| 04:00.56 | dondelelcaro | !spanish |
| 04:00.57 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 04:01.07 | Xenguy | scarynetworkguy: poutine |
| 04:01.19 | FieldySnuts | @say dpkg: moron apt |
| 04:01.24 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: stop that. |
| 04:01.28 | ravenbird | dpkg: moron apt |
| 04:01.29 | dpkg | apt: You are moron #29 |
| 04:01.30 | apt | dpkg: what are you talking about? |
| 04:01.33 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy yea thats the stuff. cheese curd and gravy you craxy kunucks have a couple of good ideas |
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| 04:02.12 | Xenguy | scarynetworkguy: it's the Quebecois that do that stuff best, truth be told |
| 04:02.44 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy This is the joke my uncle from Alberta tells. |
| 04:02.51 | scarynetworkguy | giant blender cool |
| 04:03.23 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy I decided not to tell it. but anyway not nice to the french |
| 04:03.32 | Xenguy | heheh |
| 04:04.04 | hooya | Hyp3rion, i think 'apt-get -f install' fixed the thang.. don't know yet.. debootstrap musta left certain things not configured properly.. |
| 04:04.44 | dendrite | hooya: Ah, from a chroot shell? Nice. |
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| 04:05.16 | hooya | dendrite, yeah.. |
| 04:05.34 | scarynetworkguy | so the key is to get on Monster Garage once and then you get a lifetime contract with Discovery |
| 04:06.11 | Hyp3rion | hooya - ? ficed the thong? |
| 04:06.14 | Hyp3rion | ;-) |
| 04:06.31 | scarynetworkguy | mmmmmmmmmmmm thong |
| 04:06.35 | hooya | dendrite, Hyp3rion, premature. (not the kind you got in mind). won't work. |
| 04:06.46 | hooya | bong would be nice too. |
| 04:07.00 | scarynetworkguy | hooya nothing like a thong and a bong |
| 04:07.03 | dendrite | hooya: Argh. What are you running in the way of daemons, and what modules are loaded? |
| 04:07.53 | hooya | dendrite, on, say, 'apt-get install less', i get 'dpkg: error processing ..., fork failed: Cannot allocate memory. |
| 04:08.11 | dondelelcaro | hooya: how much memory do you have? |
| 04:08.26 | dendrite | hooya: What are you running in the way of daemons, and what modules are loaded? |
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| 04:08.44 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro don't start that again |
| 04:08.54 | pi | I downloaded the 7, iso images, 6 Debian and an Update CD, is it neccessary to BURN all the CDS, if so which one is needed for a full installation. |
| 04:09.10 | hooya | dondelelcaro, 42M. on a dickless machine borrowed from 1987 ;) |
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| 04:09.52 | dondelelcaro | hooya: and it's failing to allocate memory with only a few applications running? |
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| 04:10.00 | hooya | dendrite, no daemons. about 10 k* procs. + init x1 + bash x1 + getty x1 |
| 04:10.06 | scarynetworkguy | this new show bites |
| 04:10.15 | dondelelcaro | hooya: how much swap do you have? |
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| 04:10.28 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: The machine is diskless -- root over NFS. |
| 04:10.30 | hooya | dondelelcaro, 0 swap. the root is over NFS. |
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| 04:10.37 | Hyp3rion | dondelelcaro - diskless netboot cluster |
| 04:10.41 | pi | anyone please. |
| 04:10.49 | hooya | pi 22/7 |
| 04:11.01 | debian | pi: burn the first one. |
| 04:11.07 | debian | pi: and delete others |
| 04:11.12 | scarynetworkguy | oh great buying bannannas |
| 04:11.13 | dondelelcaro | hooya: doesn't matter. you can do network swap. Regardless, if you're running kde stuff, you're probably out of memory. |
| 04:11.23 | Hyp3rion | pi - yo only need the first one. |
| 04:11.31 | debian | ~tell pi about pi |
| 04:11.35 | dondelelcaro | Hyp3rion, dendrite: having a diskless client is no reason not to have swap... |
| 04:11.37 | lepricon | hey all geting a bizare problem w/exim and debian .. exim is setup correctly.. I think.. but when I email user@mydomain.com it forwards that email back to the sender.. |
| 04:11.41 | hooya | dondelelcaro, forget KDE. i'm just trying to run apt* and dpkg stuff. |
| 04:11.54 | scarynetworkguy | hooya on a serious note are you running a journaling FS? |
| 04:12.09 | scarynetworkguy | gawd I wish I could spell |
| 04:12.09 | dondelelcaro | scarynetworkguy: it's nfs. That isn't going to affect anything at all. |
| 04:12.10 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, on the NFS server, yes. |
| 04:12.21 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: Ah. The channel wisdom was that swap over NFS was a Bad Thing (tm). |
| 04:12.29 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro I missed that part. Busy watching some guy buy produce |
| 04:12.37 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: it is, but if you've got no memory, you're kind of out of luck... |
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| 04:13.03 | dondelelcaro | hooya: well, cat /proc/meminfo and add the Buffers and Cached line. |
| 04:13.08 | hooya | but at 42M and 2 userland procs. you would think that you could run a few more .. |
| 04:13.14 | hooya | without hitting swap.. |
| 04:13.20 | dondelelcaro | hooya: if it's less than 16M, you won't be able to run dpkg. |
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| 04:13.35 | hooya | dondelelcaro, buffer and cache.. hmm... |
| 04:13.39 | dondelelcaro | hooya: regardless, since this is an nfs mounted machine, use chroot to update the nfs box. |
| 04:13.49 | dendrite | hooya: Any useless modules show up w/ lsmod? |
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| 04:14.09 | scarynetworkguy | what does my good friend top say? |
| 04:14.10 | hooya | dendrite, kernel don't have mod support. |
| 04:14.14 | cse | lost synchronization, throwing 1 bytes away |
| 04:14.15 | Hyp3rion | debian - why pi to me? |
| 04:14.17 | sussudio | BabyAnGell^^^: could you be a spambot? |
| 04:14.21 | hooya | this is as thin as it gets. |
| 04:14.22 | Hyp3rion | !tell debian -about phi |
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| 04:14.27 | dendrite | hooya: Ah. I'll take that as a 'no'. :-) |
| 04:14.39 | hooya | dondelelcaro, buffers: 0kb. Cached 17224kb. |
| 04:14.44 | cse | Any idea on what causes that error? |
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| 04:14.59 | dondelelcaro | hooya: hrm... it's possible that it's not enough... |
| 04:15.09 | dondelelcaro | hooya: are you trying to run sid here? how many sources do you have? |
| 04:15.15 | scarynetworkguy | cse watching bad shows on tv |
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| 04:15.31 | sussudio | dondelelcaro: are these spambots quitting by themselves or getting klined? |
| 04:15.41 | dondelelcaro | sussudio: probably getting klined or something... |
| 04:15.41 | hooya | dondelelcaro, sarge. quite a few sources. |
| 04:15.46 | dondelelcaro | hooya: well, there you go. |
| 04:16.06 | dondelelcaro | hooya: each source means that it takes more memory for dpkg to deal with the resultant packages. Pare them down to the essentials. |
| 04:16.06 | hooya | ok. so if i trim down the sources, i sould be able to make that work? |
| 04:16.11 | hooya | ok.. |
| 04:16.28 | Guerin | cse: google it - it's a kernel fault with ps/2 mice |
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| 04:16.33 | mitrick | hello |
| 04:16.45 | mitrick | i want to test debian tonight |
| 04:16.46 | dondelelcaro | hooya: finally, you still might not have enough memory even doing that... but you've definetly got something that's eating memory if you've only got 2 non-dpkg procs that are using that much memory... |
| 04:16.53 | mitrick | do i dl all the cds |
| 04:16.55 | mitrick | 7 cds? |
| 04:16.57 | tag | My friend just downloaded the sid-1 iso and says when he fires it up, he gets dumped into a bash shell. Says in the bins he found an executable called debian-installer and when he runs it, it does nothing and stalls without error. Syslog says nothing, no console errors, jack. |
| 04:16.59 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: no. |
| 04:17.01 | Guerin | cse: I CBA getting mine to work, so I just switched to USB |
| 04:17.04 | dondelelcaro | !tell mitrick about netinst |
| 04:17.05 | mitrick | i have fast net |
| 04:17.07 | hooya | dondelelcaro, i'm prolly going to chroot like you and dendrite said on the nfs server. i just wanted to make sure i wasn't doing something brain dead to make the diskless nodes unusable |
| 04:17.10 | tag | so my question is |
| 04:17.15 | debian | mitrick: the first one |
| 04:17.24 | tag | is that a live cd or does he need another disk? |
| 04:17.25 | cse | Guerin: i've been searching couldn't find a solution. is it with 2.6.5? |
| 04:17.36 | dondelelcaro | tag: don't use the sid iso. |
| 04:17.40 | dondelelcaro | tag: use the d-i installer. |
| 04:17.47 | mitrick | k |
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| 04:17.57 | mitrick | im behind an router |
| 04:18.02 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: doesn't matter. |
| 04:18.05 | mitrick | will i need to configure stuff |
| 04:18.12 | scarynetworkguy | tag there is no such thing as a sid cd that is any way shape or form official. |
| 04:18.17 | Guerin | cse: yes, I had the problem with 2.6.5 - I think there's a kernel parameter you can pass at boot, but it also kills some mouse functionality |
| 04:18.25 | mitrick | the distro version is 3.02r2 |
| 04:18.29 | mitrick | something like that |
| 04:18.31 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: yes, d-i or even the woody netinst disks will enable you to configure stuff. |
| 04:18.34 | mitrick | is that the one |
| 04:18.34 | cse | is 2.6.6 the general solution? |
| 04:18.35 | Guerin | cse: seriously, if you can go USB,, that's probably the better option |
| 04:18.37 | dondelelcaro | !tell mitrick about enter |
| 04:18.48 | Guerin | cse: no, I doubt 2.6.6 would be any better |
| 04:18.58 | mitrick | what kernel use debian |
| 04:18.59 | hooya | dondelelcaro, i'm prolly going to trim down the kernel further. i have some extra network card support (thinking i might need 'em on other nodes) that i can now get rid of.. (i bought the same card for all nodes). maybe that'll get me a few more megs back.. |
| 04:19.05 | mitrick | im on slack 9.1 in 2.6.6 |
| 04:19.11 | mitrick | and gnome 2.6.1 |
| 04:19.12 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: debian can use all of the kernels. |
| 04:19.19 | debian | mitrick: linux |
| 04:19.20 | mitrick | i hope it has that on debian by default |
| 04:19.21 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: please stop overusing the enter key. IRC is not AOL. |
| 04:19.25 | scarynetworkguy | ewwwwwwwwww gas engine for your blender seems like a bad idea |
| 04:19.26 | Guerin | cse: remember also that ps/2 devices should be inserted with the power off - that might be aprt of the trouble |
| 04:19.36 | debian | mitrick: and bsd |
| 04:19.38 | Hyp3rion | mitrick - linux, hurd/mach, hurd/l4, freebsd, netbsd |
| 04:19.46 | debian | thx. :) |
| 04:19.48 | mitrick | good |
| 04:19.52 | dendrite | scarynetworkguy: I dunno, might be just the thing for a daquiri party on the beach... |
| 04:19.57 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro a/s/l? |
| 04:20.04 | cse | Guerin: hrm, i guess i'll try looking for another solution.. my mouse goes in a KVM so i can't use usb |
| 04:20.04 | hooya | anyone used hurd on a diskless cluster type setting? |
| 04:20.10 | mitrick | in debian is it rpm packages or .tgz? |
| 04:20.13 | dondelelcaro | hooya: yeah, that's probably a good idea. If you have high memory support, that's a waste too. |
| 04:20.14 | scarynetworkguy | dendrite I was thinking fumes. anyway they went electric |
| 04:20.18 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: no, they're ar. |
| 04:20.20 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: man 5 deb. |
| 04:20.23 | Guerin | cse: good luck :) |
| 04:20.34 | cse | Guerin: thanks |
| 04:20.35 | Hyp3rion | mitrick .deb |
| 04:20.40 | Guerin | cse: /msg dpkg listkeys mouse and try all those factoids |
| 04:20.41 | mitrick | oh, how the hell i will install .deb? |
| 04:20.48 | scarynetworkguy | dendrite exaust in your daquiri would suck |
| 04:20.55 | Hyp3rion | mitrick - http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian |
| 04:20.56 | cse | Guerin: will do, thanks |
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| 04:20.59 | dondelelcaro | mitrick: with dpkg -i. This is all covered in the install manual and debian quick reference guide... I suggest you read them. |
| 04:21.17 | dendrite | scarynetworkguy: I'm sure I've drunk worse. |
| 04:21.31 | hooya | anyone use MPI (CH or otherwise)? |
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| 04:21.33 | Poseidon | how do update xfree ? |
| 04:21.37 | mitrick | damn, debian looks hard for an distro |
| 04:21.49 | dondelelcaro | Poseidon: you apply the debian mantra to your system. |
| 04:21.50 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - slack is using pkgsrc nope? |
| 04:21.53 | dondelelcaro | !mantra |
| 04:21.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mantra is 1) Think fubar, foobar, foo, bar, baz, boo. 2) Say out lound what you think. 3) Repeat. |
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| 04:22.03 | VileRage | hey, I'm hosting 4 or 5 domains, what's going to be the best smtp daemon (easiest to cinfigure, actually) to set up mail for all of them? |
| 04:22.03 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: excuse me what? |
| 04:22.05 | dondelelcaro | !debian mantra |
| 04:22.06 | scarynetworkguy | dendrite more than likely. 6,000 gallon daquiri yummers |
| 04:22.06 | dpkg | i guess debian mantra is "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -yuf" |
| 04:22.22 | Hyp3rion | what, where is QUUX?! |
| 04:22.27 | dondelelcaro | VileRage: whatever one you're most comfortable with. The majors will handle that, no problem. |
| 04:22.27 | j0rd | quick question im sure you get 100 times , how to i fix package dependacy errors when `apt-get -f install` doesn't help? |
| 04:22.46 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - http://pkgsrc.org |
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| 04:22.51 | Guerin | VileRage: I recommend postfix |
| 04:22.51 | Poseidon | !debian mantra |
| 04:22.52 | dpkg | [debian mantra] "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -yuf" |
| 04:22.52 | dondelelcaro | j0rd: depends on the error. Paste the output of apt-get -f install into #flood. |
| 04:23.02 | VileRage | dondlecaro: i'm using xmail atm, and it seemed to be great, but it doesen't seem to support multiple domains... |
| 04:23.11 | dendrite | mitrick: debian is often cited as a distro that is not very suitable for beginners to install. |
| 04:23.22 | dondelelcaro | VileRage: eh, xmail isn't that good. exim, postfix, or sendmail is pretty much the way to go. |
| 04:23.29 | mitrick | ah k. |
| 04:23.38 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: it works fine for beginners, actually... but you have to be willing to read. |
| 04:23.44 | dendrite | mitrick: But if you want a solid distro that is easy to work with, it's hard to beat debian. |
| 04:23.51 | scarynetworkguy | !be reading barbie |
| 04:23.51 | dpkg | Reading is HARD. |
| 04:23.52 | VileRage | dondelecaro: i guess I can give exim another shot, it was silently discarding my mail before for no apparent reason lol |
| 04:24.05 | j0rd | dondelelcaro: done |
| 04:24.08 | j0rd | dondelelcaro: pasted that is |
| 04:24.10 | mitrick | ill try it tonight. |
| 04:24.10 | Guerin | it's not bad for beginners, it's bad for lamers who aren't prepared to learn |
| 04:24.13 | Poseidon | but am less connection |
| 04:24.17 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: That's debatable. There is a fair amount of basic knowlege you need to get up and running w/ debian. |
| 04:24.34 | Guerin | dendrite: no, it's all covered in TFMs |
| 04:24.35 | mitrick | doing an full install with fast net, will it be long? |
| 04:25.09 | scarynetworkguy | dendrite yea but you can get it all by reading. nothing hard a few things you need to pay attention to |
| 04:25.13 | Guerin | mitrick: depends how fast your interweb is. A few hours, to a half-day or so |
| 04:25.34 | mitrick | humm. |
| 04:25.38 | dendrite | Realize, of course, that ALL distros can be installed "easily" by someone who is willing to read. |
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| 04:25.58 | dendrite | compare debian with some of the distros that do *everything* automatically, no reading required. |
| 04:26.12 | Hyp3rion | !wtf interweb? |
| 04:26.13 | scarynetworkguy | that includes grabbing KDE but not building a kernel |
| 04:26.17 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: a knowledge of english is basically all that's required... although d-i now can basically be installed by just pressing return. |
| 04:26.22 | Hyp3rion | intarweb even... |
| 04:26.22 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: you must have faaast internet... |
| 04:26.37 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: I do like the way the sarge installer is coming along... |
| 04:26.55 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin it dips right about the time I get home from work but I average 375-400 down most of the time |
| 04:26.58 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: I can too, but my rig is more limited by disk speed and cpu than by network speed |
| 04:27.08 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: not bad at all :) |
| 04:27.11 | VileRage | dendrite: is that do everything, or do everything for you? |
| 04:27.13 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin and I live 30 minutes from a mirror. :) |
| 04:27.17 | VileRage | heh |
| 04:27.21 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: yeah. it works pretty well. Of course, I didn't find bf particularly difficult either... |
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| 04:27.30 | Hyp3rion | scarynetworkguy - kbit/sec or kbytes/sec or ? |
| 04:27.55 | scarynetworkguy | Hyp3rion kbit 3 to 4 kbyte |
| 04:27.56 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: It's been a while since I first confronted the debian installer, and at that time I was a pretty seasoned Linux user. I remember it wasn't easy. |
| 04:28.07 | Hyp3rion | scarynetworkguy? |
| 04:28.15 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: but seriously, it takes less than 30 minutes of my time with a newbie Debian user to get them from a basic install to the information that they need to know to keep their system working... |
| 04:28.17 | VileRage | i had a similar experience |
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| 04:28.22 | hooya | i asked for apt to install mpich and i'm getting fontconfig. wtf!! |
| 04:28.25 | Hyp3rion | scarynetworkguy - now which? |
| 04:28.32 | dondelelcaro | !depends mpich |
| 04:28.34 | scarynetworkguy | Hyp3rion you are right that was stupid kbit it was |
| 04:28.37 | dpkg | mpich: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2-1), rsh-client, mpich-common (= 1.2.5.2-1), libmpich1.0 (= 1.2.5.2-1) |
| 04:28.47 | VileRage | been using debian since kernel 2.0.32, and the installer had it's own personality flaws when i used it for testing this time |
| 04:28.50 | hooya | !depends mpich-mpd |
| 04:28.55 | dpkg | mpich-mpd: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2-1), rsh-client, gdb, mpich-common (= 1.2.5.2-1), libmpich-p4mpd1.0 (= 1.2.5.2-1) |
| 04:28.55 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: And seriously, I'm not knocking debian. But it *is* reputed to be a relatively difficult install. |
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| 04:29.32 | hooya | yeah. see. why in the hell am i getting fontconfig.. there ain't no freakin font i want rendering with the mpi stuff.. |
| 04:29.33 | zignig | dendrite: I think the whole hard to install thing is a bit of a myth. |
| 04:29.34 | dondelelcaro | dendrite: reputed, yes... but d-i has basically made it easy. Regardless, installation is often difficult, just because of the vast amount of hardware that is extant. |
| 04:29.40 | goat | Hi, a few days ago I replaced libc.so.6 thinking that it would just run the newer version, as I am a newbie to linux, I found this was not the case when Linux would no longer boot. I am presented with the following error while booting then it freezes." |
| 04:29.40 | goat | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: |
| 04:29.40 | goat | dynamic-link.h: 62: elf_get_dynamic_info: |
| 04:29.40 | goat | Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag" failed! |
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| 04:30.01 | dondelelcaro | hooya: probably because something depends on it... |
| 04:30.02 | goat | my bad |
| 04:30.04 | dondelelcaro | goat: read /topic... |
| 04:30.22 | j0rd | dondelelcaro: i <3 you |
| 04:30.23 | dendrite | dondelelcaro: That's true, sorting out missing modules can be tricky. I'd forgotten about that. |
| 04:30.26 | dondelelcaro | goat: to fix your error, you need to boot off of something that has a working libc.so.6 and reinstall glibc. |
| 04:30.29 | j0rd | dondelelcaro: seems to of fixed |
| 04:30.30 | scarynetworkguy | dendrite almost everyone I've talked to who thinks that has not seen an installer since slink. From Potato on it has been pretty easy if you just read and bring a couple of brain cells to the party |
| 04:30.34 | hooya | dondelelcaro, that makes sense. by why would mpich depend on fontconfig i will never know. |
| 04:30.36 | dondelelcaro | j0rd: cool. |
| 04:30.47 | dondelelcaro | hooya: well, walk through the dependencies using apt-cache show... |
| 04:30.55 | goat | i have replaced the original libc.so.6 with the one i replaced. as I made a backup before i replaced it |
| 04:31.03 | dendrite | zignig: In order to really assess the question of ease of installation you need to look through a beginner's eyes. It's not a simple question by any means. |
| 04:31.14 | dondelelcaro | goat: well, it sure doesn't seem to be the case... |
| 04:31.42 | goat | ok, how am I to go about fixing this problem? |
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| 04:32.24 | Hyp3rion | lol |
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| 04:32.41 | Ausin_P | greetings all |
| 04:32.41 | dondelelcaro | goat: you're going to boot off of media that has a shell, like the debian netinst images, or the first iso, mount the disk, download the libc6 .deb, and install it with appropriate options to dpkg. |
| 04:32.44 | Hyp3rion | <poll>anyone using a terayon cablemodem/router here?</poll> |
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| 04:32.57 | sussudio | !kill pety |
| 04:32.58 | Ausin_P | anyone available to help a fella out on a rescue disk ext3 problem? |
| 04:33.26 | j0rd | Hyp3rion: every single user of cable on canadian west coast uses Terrion cable modem |
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| 04:33.29 | j0rd | Hyp3rion: they suck |
| 04:33.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell Ausin_P about polls |
| 04:33.36 | goat | what am I to type if I am currently running off a live cd, to install it to the hard drive? |
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| 04:33.50 | scarynetworkguy | goat #knoppix |
| 04:34.03 | dendrite | goat: /join #knoppix; this is #debian. We don't know. |
| 04:34.13 | dondelelcaro | goat: have you downloaded the libc6 .deb for your version of Debian yet? |
| 04:34.16 | hooya | goat: type /join #knoppix |
| 04:34.21 | goat | ok, thanks |
| 04:34.23 | dendrite | goat: But be aware, that is a FAQ. |
| 04:34.26 | goat | no I havnt |
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| 04:34.48 | Bacat | Is it possible to have a modem driver in debian that works, operates the modem, but is not as efficient as it could be? Ever since I got a new external modem my dial-up has seemed exceptionally slow. |
| 04:34.55 | goat | so if i somehow reinstall libc6 everything should boot again? |
| 04:35.05 | dondelelcaro | goat: well, I've given you the instructions... download it, and install it with the right root, admindir, and instdir. |
| 04:35.10 | scarynetworkguy | Bacat sure lots of drivers suck |
| 04:35.11 | Hyp3rion | j0rd - why do they suck? its terayon not terrion :-? |
| 04:35.17 | goat | ok thanks |
| 04:35.40 | VileRage | oh, while i'm here, is it possible, with iptables and nat, to redirect requests to subdonain.domain.tld to a box behind my debian machine to another machine? I can read the manpages myself, I just wanted to know if it's possible before I go wading thru the docs... |
| 04:35.42 | dondelelcaro | Bacat: if you've got a real external modem, it shoudln't be. |
| 04:35.54 | dondelelcaro | Bacat: what speed is your serial port set to? what speedd is it connecting as? |
| 04:35.58 | scarynetworkguy | In Canada can you buy your own cable modem? |
| 04:35.59 | dendrite | VileRage: yes. |
| 04:36.03 | Guerin | VileRage: definitely |
| 04:36.04 | Bacat | Is there a console command to view upload/download rates for dialup? |
| 04:36.04 | Bacat | Or a KDE program? |
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| 04:36.12 | sussudio | scarynetworkguy: in soviet canuckistan, modems buy you. |
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| 04:36.31 | VileRage | dendrite/guerin: thanks. I'll start wading shortly ;] |
| 04:36.44 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio cool. will the modem hug me and kiss me and call me pretty? |
| 04:36.45 | Bacat | scarynetworkguy: Does 8139too suck? |
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| 04:36.55 | scarynetworkguy | Bacat I don't know |
| 04:36.58 | Nanaki | Finally some help |
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| 04:37.04 | Guerin | Bacat: works flawlessly for me |
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| 04:37.06 | RainbowW | is there a way to see whether usb hard drive devices (hdds, sticks etc) have been detected? dmesg is reporting lots of nfs errors and /proc/partitions doesn't show them |
| 04:37.06 | Nanaki | I can't get X to run on my new [debian] install |
| 04:37.07 | sussudio | scarynetworkguy: no, you will be it's slave and aptly jumpered as such. |
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| 04:37.10 | Hyp3rion | scarynetworkguy - in hungary you can buy your own cablemodem at least. never been to canada :-/ in bruxelles you can buy your own too... |
| 04:37.15 | Nanaki | It returns this :: |
| 04:37.27 | Guerin | Nanaki: don't paste |
| 04:37.28 | sussudio | Nanaki: you're not going to flood, are you? |
| 04:37.29 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, in canada, you have to buy your own cable. the modulator and the demodulator. put in the aforementioned blender. mix. you then get cable modem. simple. |
| 04:37.31 | scarynetworkguy | Hyp3rion as you can here in Nazi America |
| 04:37.34 | Bacat | dondelelcaro: It's a Best Data v.92 56k...does my modem suck. :) |
| 04:37.35 | Nanaki | X -configure :: Found valid configuration but not listed in xf86PciScan.h |
| 04:37.43 | Nanaki | (I don't paste flood, lol) |
| 04:37.46 | Guerin | ok, one line is ok :) |
| 04:37.53 | Ausin_P | how does one boot into the rescue disk on a system that has ext3 on it with scsi drives? |
| 04:37.55 | scarynetworkguy | hooya do you have to have a guy who has been on Monster Garage like 4 times to help? |
| 04:37.58 | Nanaki | btw, I'm within windows now |
| 04:37.58 | Hyp3rion | scarynetworkguy - who told you america was nazi? or were you in #wikipedia? |
| 04:38.09 | Nanaki | How do I fix X so that it runs |
| 04:38.16 | Guerin | apparently bacat's modem does suck .... |
| 04:38.16 | Nanaki | And why is the kernel so old in the stable release :D |
| 04:38.23 | scarynetworkguy | Hyp3rion I live here. Trust me we are royally fucked |
| 04:38.29 | hooya | Hyp3rion, ask j asskroft. |
| 04:38.43 | sussudio | scarynetworkguy: neh, you're just fucked. no royalty there. |
| 04:38.48 | Hyp3rion | hooya - who is asskroft? |
| 04:38.57 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio there will be if W has his way |
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| 04:39.01 | dendrite | Nanaki: Have you tried configuring X with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" ? |
| 04:39.02 | simonrvn | ask gwb's nazi-sympathising grandaddy |
| 04:39.09 | sussudio | !rumsfeldsmite pety |
| 04:39.14 | hooya | Hyp3rion, scarynetworkguy, with the 'neighborhood watch' and all.. |
| 04:39.15 | Hyp3rion | scarynetworkguy - agreed man! sucks to be an american theese days :-( |
| 04:39.50 | Nanaki | dendrite :: Nope, what would that accomplish/ |
| 04:39.52 | Guerin | sussudio: excellent |
| 04:39.58 | Nanaki | And is there a reason why [LILO] didn't install? |
| 04:40.00 | Hyp3rion | who the fuck is doing theese dpkg smites? |
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| 04:40.01 | sussudio | Guerin: classic |
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| 04:40.28 | dendrite | Nanaki: There are no doubt reasons for all of these things. You need to be much more specific if you want specific answers. |
| 04:40.37 | simonrvn | Hyp3rion: you haven't been around long enough to be able to tell |
| 04:40.43 | Nanaki | I don't have any more reasons to give you |
| 04:40.46 | Nanaki | I told you what it spat out |
| 04:40.47 | dendrite | Nanaki: try "man dpkg-reconfigure" |
| 04:40.48 | Bacat | dondelelcaro: it's a serial modem and wvdial shows me connecting at 115200, but it seems much slower than that. |
| 04:40.51 | Hyp3rion | simonrvn? |
| 04:40.55 | scarynetworkguy | Hyp3rion I think that if W wins this fall that in 6 to 12 months there will be another "attack' which will lead to a crises which will lead to a constitutional convention. Have you noticed that they have started to use the phrase "clear and present danger"? |
| 04:41.03 | Bacat | dondel: how do I check my port speed? |
| 04:41.04 | simonrvn | Hyp3rion: i have him on /ignore and i can tell |
| 04:41.05 | Nanaki | Is that different than X -configure? |
| 04:41.15 | Nanaki | Sorry, I'm just so frazzled right now.. four days with no luck |
| 04:41.21 | dendrite | Nanaki: yes, it's different. |
| 04:41.24 | Hyp3rion | simonrvn - oh i see. lemme guess: kotcoder? |
| 04:41.26 | bobstro | scarynetworkguy: there will be an attack BEFORE election to ensure result. |
| 04:41.31 | dondelelcaro | Bacat: you can always look at ppp0 to see what sort of rate you're getting in and out of the device. |
| 04:41.31 | Nanaki | Alright, I'll give it a shot |
| 04:41.38 | simonrvn | Hyp3rion: nope |
| 04:41.42 | Nanaki | Should I do anything else while in *nix? |
| 04:41.44 | zignig | scarynetworkguy: ----> world-realtions |
| 04:41.54 | Nanaki | Booting it takes 20 minutes wiht that wretched floppy |
| 04:41.58 | scarynetworkguy | bobstro nope before would not work as well as just after. |
| 04:42.03 | g4lt | bobstro take it to #tinfoil-hats |
| 04:42.08 | VileRage | hmm, I just apt-get install'ed webmin, using https://debian-box:10000/ from my windows box, it says i'm not authourised to view. Any idea where I screwed up? |
| 04:42.12 | zignig | g4lt: hehehe |
| 04:42.15 | dendrite | Nanaki: read up on installing lilo. |
| 04:42.21 | Hyp3rion | simonrvn - afgbaby sussudio bill bill2 corr <== this is my whole ignore list, so who? |
| 04:42.31 | simonrvn | Hyp3rion: #2 |
| 04:42.37 | bobstro | g4lt: hey, just playing along! |
| 04:42.37 | rich_ | thanks everyone see you later |
| 04:42.52 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, well, it's obvious. the one sustainable business (protected because of 'nat. sec.') is defence. if someone don't use up the nukes, who are they gonna sell to? the economy tanks. remember, apart from defence and lawyers, there is no sustainable business in america that can't be exported. |
| 04:42.57 | Hyp3rion | simonrvn - lol thanks! |
| 04:43.08 | Guerin | VileRage: you have to explicitly allow connections from anyone other than cocalhost in the webmin config |
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| 04:43.17 | Nanaki | dendrite :: I typed /sbin/lilo and it said "/etc/lilo.conf NOT FOUND" |
| 04:43.19 | Nanaki | :/ |
| 04:43.20 | Guerin | s/cocal/local/ |
| 04:43.27 | VileRage | ahh thanks |
| 04:43.34 | VileRage | it's been a while since i used debian |
| 04:43.41 | g4lt | Nanaki you're screwed. time to get out vi |
| 04:43.45 | scarynetworkguy | hooya I can't be exported but you are mostly right. I'm getting ready to yell at the TV when the thing on outsourcing is on discovery later this week |
| 04:43.45 | dendrite | Nanaki: Is this a dual boot machine? What is the other OS? |
| 04:43.49 | VileRage | probably since the 2.2.x kernel series ;] |
| 04:44.00 | Guerin | VileRage: if you MUST use webmin, ssh into your debian box and use it from localhost, that's my advice to you |
| 04:44.13 | Nanaki | dendrite :: Win XP |
| 04:44.21 | dendrite | g4lt: You don't think 'apt-get install lilo' would help? |
| 04:44.23 | Bacat | I also keep getting booted and reinit. in this room. What is my ping response time anyone? |
| 04:44.29 | zignig | Guerin: whats your gripe agains webmin ? |
| 04:44.30 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, i'm tellin ya. the only way to be non-exportable is to go into defence. |
| 04:44.34 | g4lt | dendrite it might, at that |
| 04:44.40 | VileRage | guerin: think it's safe enough to allow port 10000 only from 192.168.1.* ? |
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| 04:44.47 | dendrite | Nanaki: Win XP does NOT play nice with Linux. You might want to look into using GRUB for your boot loader. |
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| 04:45.06 | Nanaki | dendrite :: I can just add XP to the lilo.conf file.. I did that before with no worries |
| 04:45.14 | dendrite | Nanaki: GRUB has more features that you can use to keep XP from attacking Linux. |
| 04:45.15 | Nanaki | Just add /dev/hda1 under the DOS section |
| 04:45.16 | scarynetworkguy | hooya they will always need someone who can go touch the router. :) But yea you are right. Although exporting banking would be quite hard |
| 04:45.22 | Guerin | VileRage: that's probably not unreasonable |
| 04:45.29 | Nanaki | I didn't even k now grub was with [debian] |
| 04:45.48 | VileRage | ok cool ;] |
| 04:45.50 | Nanaki | How would I go about getting grub |
| 04:45.52 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy you'll never be outsourced. they can't pay anyone else little enough ;P |
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| 04:46.02 | dendrite | Nanaki: apt-get install grub |
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| 04:46.12 | Guerin | zignig: security - too easy to fuck things up |
| 04:46.24 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt :) I live in semirural OR you are closer to the truth than you know |
| 04:46.28 | Guerin | zignig: and it discourages you from learning proper *nix admin skills |
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| 04:46.50 | Nanaki | dendrite :: Alright, that all I need for now? |
| 04:47.03 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, again. get into defence. the only downside is that to feed the defense companies (the one viable manufacturing business) the govt will have to kill foreign peeps. if you can sleep with that weighing in.. you're all set. |
| 04:47.04 | dendrite | Nanaki: I'm not a GRUB guru, so be sure to be careful, and read, and understand what you're doing. |
| 04:47.09 | Nanaki | Sure |
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| 04:47.16 | Nanaki | reboot time (expect me back in an hour) |
| 04:47.28 | xsdg | I have a bunch of fonts that are acting very strangely: the numbers look like they should, but all the letters appear to be a stock set (Sans Serif or similar). I'm grabbing a new set from a WinXP box now, but I've never seen this problem before. Any ideas/insight? |
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| 04:47.48 | scarynetworkguy | hooya since I think the ideal world pop is about 20 :) but I'm afraid you are right on many levels |
| 04:48.23 | zignig | Guerin: ok , It is still a good tool imo. |
| 04:48.37 | Kempston| | on system boot i have ppp launched (/etc/rc2.d/S18ppp) abd open follwing it |
| 04:48.38 | Kempston| | but ppp conects to long and openvpn doesn't establish connection |
| 04:48.38 | Kempston| | how can i tell system to wait some time after ppp launch ? tried to add wait 60 in S18ppp but no difference :( |
| 04:48.45 | scarynetworkguy | of course the place I work tried to outsource and are now backing out of it. :) |
| 04:48.59 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, i agree. 20 is about the right pop level. me and the wife have 18 kids. :P |
| 04:49.29 | scarynetworkguy | hooya you can have .au |
| 04:49.48 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, how did you know i was thinking about moving there in 2 yrs.. |
| 04:50.07 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, not that it's any better. at least it's not the instigator. |
| 04:50.08 | scarynetworkguy | hooya I thought everyone wanted to move there. :) |
| 04:50.16 | Ausin_P | where does deb mount scsi partitions? |
| 04:50.32 | Ausin_P | "/dev/sda1"? |
| 04:50.41 | scarynetworkguy | hooya there or BC |
| 04:50.46 | Hyp3rion | Kempston| - sleep 30; or something |
| 04:50.55 | Kempston| | Hyp3rion thank you |
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| 04:51.03 | simonrvn | Ausin_P: has nothing to do with debian, but with the kernel |
| 04:51.07 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, BC is too cold... |
| 04:51.21 | Ausin_P | 2.4.18 |
| 04:52.05 | scarynetworkguy | hooya I moved to OR on purpose. BC is just about right for me. I would really like to move up to BC or WA |
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| 04:52.36 | zic | please, i write a tutorial about playing mp3 file remotely (lcr.icmc.usp.br/~leitao/mp3_remote.txt), and i want to make it google available.. how can i do it?? |
| 04:53.05 | Kempston| | zic write about it on some www forum |
| 04:53.07 | g4lt | zic get google hacks from ORA... |
| 04:53.11 | Kempston| | google is indexing them |
| 04:53.20 | simonrvn | Ausin_P: first ask me on-channel if you can; second, no you may not /msg me |
| 04:53.28 | Kempston| | g4lt what is ORA ? |
| 04:53.37 | Ausin_P | ok, so where in /dev are scsci raid drives mounted/ |
| 04:53.38 | Ausin_P | ? |
| 04:53.41 | g4lt | O'Reilly Associates |
| 04:53.47 | zic | g4lt : ORA?? |
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| 04:53.49 | simonrvn | Ausin_P: /dev/md* |
| 04:53.53 | Kempston| | o i see |
| 04:53.54 | g4lt | !ora |
| 04:53.55 | dpkg | Praise be the name of O'Reilly and may all come to know its excellence |
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| 04:54.23 | scarynetworkguy | gawd they'll let anybody in channel |
| 04:54.43 | simonrvn | Ausin_P: go read the raid howto at www.tldp.org |
| 04:54.47 | zic | g4lt Kempston| : thank you... |
| 04:54.50 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy yeah, they let YOU in ;P |
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| 04:54.57 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt damn fools |
| 04:54.59 | hooya | burn |
| 04:55.19 | scarynetworkguy | so the new discovery show sucks |
| 04:55.35 | g4lt | what doesn't suck on discovery? |
| 04:55.59 | Kempston| | damn i like this chan ! havn't seen anything even close as good :) |
| 04:56.14 | Hyp3rion | hooya - but i guess your 18 children watch it all day! :-D |
| 04:56.22 | Ausin_P | thanks simonrvn, helps tons |
| 04:56.39 | scarynetworkguy | but then again I got clipped at 3 |
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| 04:56.43 | hooya | Hyp3rion, well, discovery channel got it's material from my house.. ;) |
| 04:56.53 | zic | g4lt : is the google hacks free? |
| 04:57.17 | scarynetworkguy | zic it is a book |
| 04:57.21 | Hyp3rion | hooya - how? |
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| 04:58.02 | scarynetworkguy | Hyp3rion I think he means the true crime stories stuff |
| 04:58.05 | hooya | Hyp3rion, oh.. discovery channel used to have all these 'nature' progs where you'd see animals humping all the time.. |
| 04:58.24 | sparr | whats a good packet sniffer for linux? i need to be able to exclude common ports |
| 04:58.34 | Hyp3rion | scarynetworkguy - scary again yay =:-| |
| 04:58.43 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, i'm talking 'good ol humping' |
| 04:58.47 | Hyp3rion | hooya - lol |
| 04:59.09 | scarynetworkguy | sparr tcpdump ethereal if you want gui |
| 04:59.14 | steve | im trying to compile torsmo from source, and when i run ./configure... it says "Checking for X...no, Sorry, X is very much needed"..... but i have X installed...does anyone know why it does this? |
| 04:59.16 | Hyp3rion | sparr - tcpdump, ethereal |
| 04:59.23 | scarynetworkguy | hooya i thought only us mormons did that kind of shit |
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| 05:00.00 | Kruz | he's got fast fingarrs :D |
| 05:00.19 | g4lt | steve do you have xlibs-dev installed? |
| 05:00.25 | scarynetworkguy | Kruz :) |
| 05:00.37 | Kruz | scarynetworkguy: do alot of coding do you? or just an irc addict? |
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| 05:00.54 | Kruz | scarynetworkguy: or do you do the DREADED cisco ios programming? either of the 3 would explain it ;) |
| 05:01.00 | scarynetworkguy | Kruz hacking routers |
| 05:01.07 | steve | g4lt: nope, ill try that |
| 05:01.10 | Kruz | scarynetworkguy: haha, ios programming, that does explain it :) |
| 05:01.22 | scarynetworkguy | and of course CLI on my firewalls |
| 05:01.28 | Hyp3rion | Kruz - playstation2 voice recognition! |
| 05:01.34 | g4lt | Kruz ios coprogramming you mean |
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| 05:01.43 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, well if only mormons did it, where the hell did the other 99.9999999 percent of the population come from? there ain't enough storks damnit! |
| 05:01.45 | Kruz | g4lt: yeah... |
| 05:01.51 | zic | scarynetworkguy : yes.. but some books are free.. |
| 05:01.54 | Kruz | Hyp3rion: you do that? |
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| 05:02.07 | scarynetworkguy | hooya no I thought we were the only ones that had 30 40 kids a couple |
| 05:02.22 | Kruz | Hyp3rion: better yet.. the ps2 is capable of that? *shrug* i'm not much of a gamer.. i think the extent to my gaming ends at xbill level 99. |
| 05:02.28 | scarynetworkguy | zic true dat and ORA has some of the best free ones out ther but no that one is not |
| 05:02.29 | Hyp3rion | Kruz - no. i couldnt get x running under linux only netbsd :-( |
| 05:02.39 | g4lt | hooya it's not THAT, it's just mormons don't have anythin else to do, like go out and have a few drinks ;P |
| 05:02.56 | sussudio | g4lt: or sueing people |
| 05:02.59 | Kruz | g4lt: well atleast mormons can use rubbers |
| 05:03.09 | Hyp3rion | Kruz - http://playstation2-linux.com |
| 05:03.12 | g4lt | Kruz so can agnostics ;P |
| 05:03.19 | Kruz | haha |
| 05:03.19 | steve | g4lt: ah, that worked. thanks alot |
| 05:03.28 | Kruz | well i was thinking of that old monty python skit from teh meaning of life |
| 05:03.29 | hooya | g4lt, fuck the drinks. skip right on along to why you need the drinks for in the first place. :P |
| 05:03.36 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt yea but papists can't |
| 05:03.48 | Kruz | where the catholics have kids out the ears, and the mormons sit old and in their study condemming them because they can use rubbers and they cant. |
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| 05:04.27 | zic | scarynetworkguy : thank you.. |
| 05:04.28 | Kruz | hahahaha |
| 05:04.28 | scarynetworkguy | Kruz :) |
| 05:04.36 | kvn | They weren't mormons |
| 05:04.37 | Kruz | indeed! |
| 05:04.39 | hooya | Kruz, i read condemming as condoming.. |
| 05:04.40 | Kruz | they were too |
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| 05:04.51 | Kruz | hooya: nasty nasty man! *frap* |
| 05:04.53 | Kruz | !lart hooya |
| 05:04.58 | kvn | They were protestants. |
| 05:05.08 | Kruz | noooo, i'm pretty sure they were mormon |
| 05:05.12 | Kruz | but i *could* be wrong. |
| 05:05.15 | g4lt | kvn mormons, protestants, same diff |
| 05:05.17 | Kruz | there is that .005 chance. |
| 05:05.19 | kvn | s/could/are/ |
| 05:05.20 | kvn | ;) |
| 05:05.32 | Kruz | i are be wrong? |
| 05:05.42 | Hyp3rion | what is mojo? |
| 05:05.43 | Kruz | you need a few lessons in grammar :P |
| 05:05.47 | kvn | g4lt: Yeah well my own cynical beliefs about religions notwithstanding. |
| 05:05.48 | g4lt | hooya what, you don't have your mojo workin? |
| 05:05.48 | Kruz | !mojo |
| 05:05.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, mojo is the libido, the life force, the right stuff, the essence, what the french call a certain ... oh I don't know what. |
| 05:05.49 | Hyp3rion | [i only know mojojojo] |
| 05:06.07 | wizard_2 | I think there's a signal (probably SIGINFO but I don't know its number) I can send (via kill) to 'dd' that will tell it to spit out a status report, am I wrong? |
| 05:06.07 | streuner | Kruz: maybe, but join #politics or #religions |
| 05:06.09 | g4lt | Hyp3rion start listening to Blues |
| 05:06.14 | hooya | Hyp3rion, you need to see 'Austin Powers' the movie. i think it's the second one that's about the 'mojo' |
| 05:06.16 | Kruz | streuner: naw |
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| 05:06.54 | Kruz | you ever walk into an apt. complex, smell what everyone is cookin and wonder what it is they are cookin? Well its like that, plus CRAP! |
| 05:07.00 | Hyp3rion | hooya - you told me you dont watch tv. but you go to movie? |
| 05:07.02 | kvn | Kruz: http://arago4.tn.utwente.nl/stonedead/movies/meaning-of-life/04-the-third-world.html |
| 05:07.12 | kvn | MRS. BLACKITT: |
| 05:07.12 | kvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.12 | kvn | MR. BLACKITT: |
| 05:07.12 | kvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.12 | Kruz | O.o |
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| 05:07.18 | Kruz | some people take me entirely too seriously |
| 05:07.28 | hooya | Hyp3rion, movie != TV |
| 05:07.35 | wizard_2 | g4lt: I'd die =) |
| 05:07.40 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - :-/ i am analphabet in blues. i listen to err ambient? goa... |
| 05:07.48 | wizard_2 | g4lt: probably happily too - not have to deal with it |
| 05:07.59 | g4lt | ye gods, no wonder you don't know what mojo is |
| 05:08.01 | Hyp3rion | hooya - sorry, austin powers = tv; zabriskie point != tv! |
| 05:08.10 | wizard_2 | so I figure " |
| 05:08.11 | Kruz | culture the boy g4! |
| 05:08.44 | g4lt | Hyp3rion get ye to a record store and get some Willie Dixon NOW |
| 05:08.54 | wizard_2 | "kill -s SIGINFO pid" where pid is dd's pid and SIGINFO is a good number that will help me out |
| 05:08.55 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - :-) |
| 05:09.20 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - maybe my parents have it on LP i'll check that first... |
| 05:09.50 | hooya | Hyp3rion, i have some 'grey cell inciting' movies i like too but it's good to watch some silly once in a while. |
| 05:10.54 | hooya | g4lt, not everyone needs the US 'culture'ing :P |
| 05:10.56 | scarynetworkguy | hooya is Dumb and Dumberer 'grey cell inciting'? |
| 05:11.17 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, no, just a few facial muscle cells inciting.. |
| 05:11.40 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, i dont' like jim cary |
| 05:11.41 | scarynetworkguy | hooya Back to the Future? |
| 05:11.49 | wizard_2 | anyone familiar with the signum for SIGINFO? |
| 05:11.51 | cafuego | hooya: what a silly sentence. Even a spoon of yoghurt has more culture. |
| 05:11.56 | hooya | yeah! that was cool. you gotta love the flux capicator.. |
| 05:12.12 | g4lt | hooya blues ain't culture, it's deeper than that |
| 05:12.20 | g4lt | wizard_2 man kill |
| 05:12.41 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - :'-( no. but there is simon garfunkel and bob dylan are they any good? or not blues at all? |
| 05:12.44 | wizard_2 | g4lt: been there - done that - kill -l even lists the available sigs |
| 05:12.44 | hooya | wizard_2, leave the killing to rumsfeld |
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| 05:13.05 | scarynetworkguy | Bob dylan sucks |
| 05:13.21 | Hyp3rion | hooya - "grey cell inciting"? |
| 05:13.28 | kvn | hooya: Strange how he's the Secretary of Defense, isn't it? ;) |
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| 05:13.29 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: he does not |
| 05:13.40 | scarynetworkguy | peterS yea yea he does |
| 05:13.44 | g4lt | Hyp3rion dylan pretends to do blues, simon and garfunkel don't even pretend |
| 05:13.46 | madcooder | When Debian boots does it store all the booting screen information in a file somewhere? |
| 05:13.53 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: does not. EOF. |
| 05:13.59 | kvn | I think there is a Dead Kennedy's song that has a parody of Bush 1 as Secretary of War and Margaret Thatcher. It's good stuff. |
| 05:14.02 | hooya | the only blues songs that i really liked is "let's get it on" (for obvious reasons) and "the thrill is gone" (again, for obvious reasons) :( |
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| 05:14.47 | scarynetworkguy | kvn two best songs about Bush 1 Vision Thing and NWO |
| 05:14.49 | hooya | bd sucks. |
| 05:15.47 | hooya | peterS, did you know bob dylan was accused of lifting some japanese poems? |
| 05:15.58 | Huey | madcooder: you can type 'dmesg' to see the messages |
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| 05:16.00 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - meh okay /exec echo 'willie dixon' >> ~/my/TODO.txt |
| 05:16.01 | hooya | and the dude coulndn't sing.. get over it. |
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| 05:16.13 | peterS | hooya: every well known author is accused of plagiarism frequently |
| 05:16.19 | scarynetworkguy | peterS he wrote some good poems but could not sing. At. All. |
| 05:16.44 | peterS | hooya: dylan wrote a lot of songs. being "accused" of plagiarism is nothing. did it turn out to be true? |
| 05:16.46 | g4lt | Hyp3rion also put in muddy waters |
| 05:16.58 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - wait i heard it once :-/ |
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| 05:18.08 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - i guy shown it to me. we have in common that we like downtempo, but blues... i dont remember much but i liked it :-) |
| 05:18.31 | kvn | And The Dillinger Escape Plan |
| 05:18.53 | Hyp3rion | btw, anyone likes klaus schulze here? |
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| 05:19.01 | Guerin | muddy wayers is more me |
| 05:19.07 | Guerin | and gillian welch, these days |
| 05:19.14 | Guerin | waters |
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| 05:19.16 | Guerin | damnit |
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| 05:19.43 | kvn | Some of what DEP plays falls under the genre of "MathCore" which, well, may or may not explain the insanity. ;) |
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| 05:20.32 | hooya | well, the wife just came down. so for the rest of the night, i'm going to be a fan of marvin gaye. working on 19th ;) |
| 05:20.41 | Guerin | kvn: the DK track you're thinking of is calle Kinky Sex Makes The World Go Round |
| 05:20.46 | HBiC | Hello, im in the process of installing debian im in the Partition Screen, I do not understand how to create both the Swap and The Primary Linux Partition from that screen. |
| 05:20.47 | madcooder | I'm getting errors at bootup about NTFS-fs errors, how do I disable NTFS-fs in my system? |
| 05:21.05 | jm_ | remove it from the kernel |
| 05:21.16 | jm_ | and fstab and so on |
| 05:21.25 | strerror | anyone know if it is possible to do smtp-auth with ldap in postfix? no one in postfix seems to know :) |
| 05:21.27 | madcooder | k |
| 05:21.28 | kvn | Guerin: Yes that sounds familiar. |
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| 05:22.00 | Guerin | strerror: it is possible, I've seen it done on websites... err, let me google |
| 05:22.01 | madcooder | can i remove it from the kernel via modconf? |
| 05:22.13 | strerror | Guerin: i couldn't find it on google |
| 05:22.31 | jm_ | not sure, you can always rmmod it manually now if it's a module |
| 05:22.34 | sway_ | how can i watch the pings/probes comming through on all interfaces? |
| 05:22.35 | scarynetworkguy | so when I got to work this morning and could not ssh to my home box I thought my house had burned down. Am I a freak? |
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| 05:23.05 | kvn | Just paranoid. |
| 05:23.11 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, yup. |
| 05:23.36 | hooya | i gotta go. |
| 05:23.41 | Guerin | strerror: this is gentoo-based, but the principles apply equally: http://lars.kneschke.de/?page_name=postfixsmtpauth |
| 05:23.46 | hooya | see ya folks |
| 05:23.58 | scarynetworkguy | sway_ tcpdump |
| 05:24.11 | sway_ | mmmkay.. |
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| 05:24.15 | hooya | thanks for all your help.. Hyp3rion, scarynetworkguy, dondelelcaro .. |
| 05:24.24 | scarynetworkguy | hooya np |
| 05:24.28 | dondelelcaro | hooya: np |
| 05:24.29 | scarynetworkguy | sway_ what? |
| 05:24.35 | b1tch | Sorry, I am HBiC, did I get to ask my question before disconnecting. |
| 05:24.36 | sway_ | ok |
| 05:24.38 | sway_ | i'll try |
| 05:24.40 | sway_ | :P |
| 05:24.44 | strerror | Guerin: thanks link will go check it out |
| 05:25.05 | Guerin | strerror: here's another: http://sysadmin.cs.caltech.edu/docs/systems/postfix_ssl_sasl_ldap |
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| 05:25.24 | scarynetworkguy | tcpdump is one of the 3 sources of truth in the Universe. Version 1.0 was written by Loki himself. |
| 05:25.25 | Guerin | my google string was postfix smtp auth ldap |
| 05:25.45 | b1tch | Im the Partition screen I do not understand from that screen how to create both the Swap and Primary Linux partition. |
| 05:26.01 | Guerin | b1tch: which partition screen? |
| 05:26.25 | sway_ | thanks |
| 05:26.31 | b1tch | It's like the primary one during Install after setting up the keyboard |
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| 05:27.03 | Guerin | b1tch: using the sarge installer? |
| 05:27.23 | b1tch | I just pressed enter at the boot Promp from the CD. |
| 05:27.23 | Hyp3rion | b1tch - black background? |
| 05:27.26 | b1tch | Yes |
| 05:27.27 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy I thought he only wrote libpcap.... |
| 05:27.31 | Hyp3rion | its woody |
| 05:27.35 | b1tch | yup |
| 05:28.00 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt that also. |
| 05:28.01 | Hyp3rion | b1tch - use <- and -> to select buttons... press enter on [New] |
| 05:28.03 | scarynetworkguy | All praise Loki |
| 05:28.19 | Hyp3rion | b1tch - it asks for size |
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| 05:28.28 | Hyp3rion | b1tch - create swap first |
| 05:28.36 | Hyp3rion | b1tch - maybe 2*your ram... |
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| 05:28.48 | Hyp3rion | b1tch - you have any other partitions? |
| 05:28.54 | b1tch | I have made the primary linux (83) partiton then selected [write] I no longer get a [New] Option |
| 05:29.07 | Hyp3rion | meh |
| 05:29.17 | Guerin | b1tch: no, if you used all the space on the disk, you wouldn''t |
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| 05:29.21 | Hyp3rion | b1tch use up and down arrow |
| 05:29.24 | scarynetworkguy | Hyp3rion these days that really depends on how much ram you have for example for me to have a gig worth of swap would just be a waste |
| 05:29.56 | Hyp3rion | b1tch or delete if it uses all space and create the swap first an then the linux main partition and then write... |
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| 05:30.19 | HBiC | sorry my internet is acting up, excuse me Please. |
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| 05:30.25 | scarynetworkguy | 1998 called they want their partitioning advice back |
| 05:30.30 | HBiC | I have made the primary linux (83) partiton then selected [write] I no longer get a [New] Option |
| 05:30.49 | scarynetworkguy | the other ones are complete bullshit |
| 05:30.51 | Hyp3rion | scarynetworkguy - i dunno i dont really use swap. its dead slow... not linux's swap, but my hd in general, no matter what swap lagorith or swappiness i try... |
| 05:30.54 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: what do you use to partition in 2004 then? |
| 05:31.23 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin certainly not 2xram for swap. |
| 05:31.27 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: ah, you're talking about ram:swap ratios |
| 05:31.28 | Guerin | ok |
| 05:31.45 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin and the giving of that ratio as advice yea. |
| 05:31.59 | Hyp3rion | HBiC ?= b1tch or what??? |
| 05:33.02 | scarynetworkguy | before he decided he was an artist sting really did rock |
| 05:33.09 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt mythbusters |
| 05:33.18 | Hyp3rion | scarynetworkguy - then how much swap for 1g ram? i will still use at least the size of ram :-/ |
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| 05:33.31 | Hyp3rion | scarynetworkguy - maybe you have a 200gig hd so does it count? |
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| 05:34.05 | g4lt | Hyp3rion my question is WTF are you doing with 1G of RAM and so little disk that 2G is an issue? |
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| 05:34.22 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - its not me but scarynetworkguy |
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| 05:34.34 | HBiC | Sorry i fixed my ident, should stop the disconnecting. |
| 05:34.52 | HBiC | ;[ |
| 05:35.08 | scarynetworkguy | Hyp3rion it would depend on the box and size of HD on the box that I'm on now, workstation, I have 512 RAM and 707 swap mostly that just cause it was what was leftover after I made all of my other partitions but yea I generally aim for the same as RAM. |
| 05:35.08 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - i have 128m ram and 130meg swap but i try to keep swap usage at 0 and i have 20g hd wasting 11g for snapshot backups :-/ |
| 05:35.50 | scarynetworkguy | but I'm starting to think that my /boot is too smal |
| 05:35.54 | Hyp3rion | scarynetworkguy - yes sounds okay |
| 05:36.08 | Hyp3rion | scarynetworkguy - why separate /boot? |
| 05:36.08 | g4lt | Hyp3rion I usually pummel swap, but then again, I like loadavgs of 5 |
| 05:36.53 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - :-) my loadavg is 0.12 |
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| 05:37.14 | scarynetworkguy | Hyp3rion cause back when I learned you wanted to have a /boot because of lilo and stuff. Also I like running with XFS but my /boot is ext3 cause grub likes it better and if things every go really south it might be a bit easier to boot from than XFS |
| 05:37.16 | g4lt | good god, what a wuss. trade computers with me, yours needs a workout |
| 05:37.18 | HBiC | If someone answered my question my apologies.. Could you possibly repeat it 'please', Freenod does not like UnIdent Clients im assuming |
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| 05:38.20 | Hyp3rion | scarynetworkguy - :-/ i have /boot on / not separately and GRUB loads happily from JFS... [tho it was a pain to convert the whole system to jfs after install but its nice since...] |
| 05:38.33 | Guerin | well, my loadaverage is .53, and that's only for a 233 |
| 05:38.39 | g4lt | okay, that sucks. I call Hyp3rion a wuss because of his loadavg of 0.12, and uptime reports a 0.00 loadavg for me :/ |
| 05:39.09 | scarynetworkguy | Hyp3rion it bitches about XFS since ext3 is journaling I don't think that has anything to do with it. |
| 05:39.12 | Antisoche | Is there a way to make a file 'owned' by a package after installation? |
| 05:39.22 | bob2 | Antisoche: no |
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| 05:39.31 | bob2 | Antisoche: or adding it to /var/lib/dpkg/FOO.list |
| 05:39.35 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy almost all of the journalling FSes started out by recommending a small (50M) ext2 /boot partition |
| 05:39.35 | bob2 | depending on how you look at it |
| 05:39.47 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - wuss?? :'-( |
| 05:39.57 | HBiC | For the swap, Do I first make it using a Logical Partition, then selecting Primary For the Linux Partition. |
| 05:39.57 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt not so many years ago everything needed a small /boot |
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| 05:40.46 | bob2 | HBiC: linux doesn't care about logical partitions, you can use any partition for any purpose |
| 05:41.29 | Antisoche | bob2: I don't like your answer :( |
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| 05:41.52 | bob2 | Antisoche: what a shame. |
| 05:41.53 | HBiC | But once I choose Primary, I dont know how to create a Swap and Linux Partition it seems Like either one of the two, Or should I select swap first then it will allow me to pick a second for the Linux one. |
| 05:41.55 | bob2 | Antisoche: patch dpkg then. |
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| 05:42.24 | Antisoche | bob2: I did for some other stuff. It wasn't accepted upstream. |
| 05:42.31 | Antisoche | Probably not clean enough |
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| 05:42.34 | bob2 | yes |
| 05:42.43 | scarynetworkguy | Antisoche the correct answer is if you need to ask the question you *really* don't want to do whatever it is that you are trying to do. |
| 05:42.48 | bob2 | it requires more complicated changes, but it's part of the Mythical Dpkgv2. |
| 05:42.49 | frevidar | where should I install non-debian software? |
| 05:42.54 | frevidar | in /usr/local? |
| 05:43.01 | bob2 | HBiC: at the partition stage (in woody's installer), it doesn't matter what you intend to put on the partition |
| 05:43.01 | Antisoche | scarynetworkguy: Oh but I do |
| 05:43.04 | g4lt | Antisoche they don't accept non-Cabal dpkg patches |
| 05:43.05 | bob2 | frevidar: or /opt |
| 05:43.10 | scarynetworkguy | Antisoche what are you trying to do? |
| 05:43.13 | bob2 | Antisoche: and what are you trying to do? |
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| 05:43.33 | Antisoche | I'm trying to install a binary .deb >4GB in size on a SMB mnounted partition |
| 05:43.40 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt tnak Loki for small favors |
| 05:43.48 | Hyp3rion | poor HBiC :-/ |
| 05:43.52 | Guerin | !spell tnak |
| 05:43.53 | dpkg | possible spellings for tnak: tank |
| 05:44.08 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin thank is what I meant |
| 05:44.08 | Antisoche | ... both with and without APT |
| 05:44.10 | Guerin | that's close enough |
| 05:44.17 | g4lt | !tinc |
| 05:44.17 | dpkg | tinc is, like, There Is No Cabal except for Overfiend and Espy, or at http://tinc.nl.linux.org |
| 05:44.17 | bob2 | Antisoche: if it doesn't work, then you need to fix SMB/dpkg/ar/tar or whatever is broken |
| 05:44.21 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - ?? what is a wuss? i didnt find it in my dictionary? any why does 0.12 suck? |
| 05:44.23 | Bill2 | hi I got a reply got my broadcom ethernet problem on the debian mailing list. He said Try booting with "pci=noacpi". What exactly does that mean |
| 05:44.25 | Bill2 | ? |
| 05:44.34 | Antisoche | bob2: It's every web server in the world as well |
| 05:44.37 | bob2 | Bill2: type it at the lilo prompt |
| 05:44.42 | opp | how do i check what p2p i have in debian? |
| 05:44.43 | scarynetworkguy | Overfiend is an Avatar of Loki |
| 05:44.45 | bob2 | Antisoche: apache2 does large files |
| 05:44.48 | Bill2 | I use grub bob2 |
| 05:44.49 | bob2 | opp: stop it |
| 05:44.53 | jm_ | Bill2: it disables ACPI support in kernel |
| 05:44.55 | bob2 | Bill2: then grub. |
| 05:45.03 | Antisoche | and I think binutils was giving me grief as well |
| 05:45.03 | opp | bob2, y? |
| 05:45.07 | bob2 | Bill2: it's working aroudn a bug in your chipset or the kernel. |
| 05:45.09 | Guerin | !y |
| 05:45.10 | dpkg | [y] http://www.hungry.com/products/Ywindows/, or its why, not y. w h y. see u, any1. |
| 05:45.13 | g4lt | Hyp3rion it's underutilized, and try wordnet |
| 05:45.17 | bob2 | opp: because you already asked the same stupid qyestion already today |
| 05:45.18 | Bill2 | bob2 OH I HOPe it works! |
| 05:45.21 | bob2 | opp: you've used up your allowance |
| 05:45.36 | opp | bob2, but no one gives me a correct answer |
| 05:45.48 | Antisoche | I thought I had a solution, but discovered I was getting screwed by chroot() |
| 05:45.51 | g4lt | opp bull shit, I did, you just didn't listen |
| 05:45.52 | bob2 | opp: there is no correct abswer |
| 05:45.54 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - bah what should i do with it? run md5crk or seti@home? |
| 05:45.58 | Bill2 | bob2 so in grub hit c for command line? |
| 05:46.06 | g4lt | Hyp3rion folding ;P |
| 05:46.08 | bob2 | Bill2: I don't use grub |
| 05:46.13 | jm_ | you can hit c or e to edit it |
| 05:46.19 | frevidar | whats the different between what should be in "/opt" and what should be in "/usr/local"? |
| 05:46.20 | opp | g4lt, i did what u said, but i get error msg thru out |
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| 05:46.39 | Guerin | !tell opp about sms-over-irc |
| 05:46.46 | g4lt | opp what error? |
| 05:46.47 | scarynetworkguy | opp that would be because Loke hates you |
| 05:46.49 | Antisoche | frevidar: They're equivalent. /opt is the newer layout |
| 05:46.53 | sussudio | frevidar: do you use debian? |
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| 05:47.03 | jarango | how can I get system console when running X ? |
| 05:47.03 | Bill2 | anybody here use grub that can tell me where to put pci=noapci do I put it in the e ? in grub? under savedefault and boot? or do I go into command line? |
| 05:47.04 | frevidar | sussudio: yes. |
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| 05:47.12 | bob2 | jarango: alt-f1 |
| 05:47.22 | frevidar | sussudio: but I want to install a non-debian program. |
| 05:47.24 | bob2 | jarango: er, ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 05:47.27 | Hyp3rion | dpkg> Dictionary 'wuss' a person who is physically weak and ineffectual >:-( /ignore g4lt too |
| 05:47.27 | dpkg | okay, Hyp3rion |
| 05:47.31 | frevidar | sussudio: I'm not sure where to put it. |
| 05:47.33 | Hyp3rion | wtf?? |
| 05:47.35 | sussudio | frevidar: debian doesn't use /opt |
| 05:47.36 | bob2 | frevidar: they're basically the same |
| 05:47.39 | bob2 | frevidar: pick one or the other |
| 05:47.40 | opp | g4lt, lots....coulnt stat i thin |
| 05:47.41 | scarynetworkguy | Driving through campus on a warm day is a bad idea |
| 05:47.41 | Antisoche | frevidar: Actually, /opt is vendor provided non-system-required apps, /usr/local is still reserved for local installations |
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| 05:48.12 | jarango | bob2: I think there is an X app that does that ? |
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| 05:48.23 | g4lt | opp basically, your apt sources.list doesn't work, and you want to know if you have p2p installed? the short answer is NFW |
| 05:48.25 | Hyp3rion | dpkg: forget dictionary 'wuss' a person who |
| 05:48.25 | dpkg | i forgot dictionary 'wuss' a person who, Hyp3rion |
| 05:48.27 | frevidar | Antisoche: so if its a non-system apt, it should go in /opt? |
| 05:48.28 | Antisoche | Stuff like SunFreeware typically goes in /opt ... stuff you ./confugre yourself still defaults to /usr/local |
| 05:48.35 | bob2 | jarango: oh, rootail or something. |
| 05:48.36 | Hyp3rion | sorry :-( |
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| 05:49.08 | opp | g4lt, nfw? |
| 05:49.08 | Antisoche | frevidar: If you are redistributing it, /opt is 'typical'. If you are installing locally, '/usr/local' is common |
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| 05:49.09 | beagle | can anyone help me me setup grub to boot fat32 XP, it doesn't want to cooperate |
| 05:49.14 | g4lt | !nfw |
| 05:49.14 | dpkg | hmm... nfw is No Fucking Way |
| 05:49.20 | jarango | bob2: thank you |
| 05:49.37 | scarynetworkguy | beagle did you ask my friend google |
| 05:49.38 | jm_ | beagle: read GRUB docs |
| 05:49.51 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy on the contrary, drivin through campus is a good idea, if you're looking for Heavenly Bodies ;P |
| 05:50.00 | frevidar | Antisoche: how very confusing. I'll guess I'll put it in /usr/local then. |
| 05:50.01 | Guerin | beagle: did you run grub-install /dev/hdx and update-grub? |
| 05:50.05 | beagle | scarynetworkguy: I'm having issues with X as well. I was hoping to get into windows to browse the web more effectively |
| 05:50.17 | jarango | bob2: it's called xconsole, but I'd like to know if there is a nicer one ... |
| 05:50.19 | Guerin | beagle: because that WFM. |
| 05:50.25 | Hyp3rion | beagle - like title WINDOZE\nchainloader +1 [\n is newline] |
| 05:50.26 | scarynetworkguy | beagle look at the menu.lst that you have I think it has an example |
| 05:50.27 | beagle | !wfm |
| 05:50.27 | dpkg | i heard wfm is Works for Me, or some strange corruption of hopwfm, or what fucking manual? |
| 05:50.48 | Guerin | beagle: fix one thing at a time - get X sorted, worry aout windows later |
| 05:50.52 | Guerin | (or never) |
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| 05:51.00 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt true dat but then when you can't do anything about it it sucks. :) For some reason they all buy shirts for 10 YO boys. :) |
| 05:51.15 | Antisoche | frevidar: They're really basically the same. It's just that precompiled stuff you buy or download is usally already setup to install into /opt ... so if you are selling or packaging, it's better to put it there. If you don't care about anyone else and just your own systems, /usr/local is the general place to be |
| 05:51.29 | bob2 | jarango: ah, dunno... |
| 05:51.38 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy what's the downside, are 10 YO boys gettin too big? ;P |
| 05:51.49 | bob2 | jarango: you can run "tail --follow=name /var/log/messages" in a shell of your choice, tho... |
| 05:51.52 | Bill2 | anybody here use grub that can tell me where to put pci=noapci do I put it in the e ? in grub? under savedefault and boot? or do I go into command line? |
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| 05:52.13 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt not at all. The downside would be frustration if you catch my drift |
| 05:52.26 | Guerin | Bill2: man grub |
| 05:52.48 | pi | bob2, can you look at your PM window please. |
| 05:53.00 | jm_ | you put it as kernel parameter |
| 05:53.18 | Antisoche | Bill2: I don't use grub, but look somewhere in /etc/grub or /boot/grub ... a quick google will probably tyell you more |
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| 05:53.45 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - you are staff nope? |
| 05:54.15 | kreg_ | i have a blank /etc/modules and a bunch of modules loaded. what can i do so that /etc/modules and /etc/modules.conf are written with my current config? |
| 05:54.36 | pi | Sorry I just dont understand why I keep disconnecting from the server. |
| 05:54.49 | Antisoche | here's the firs result google returned: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2003-September/msg00781.html |
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| 05:54.58 | Antisoche | Just find debian'd grub.conf (dpkg -L grub) |
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| 05:55.04 | scarynetworkguy | kreg_ you need a goat 3 chickens and a bottle of tequila |
| 05:55.11 | jm_ | debian doesn't use stupid things like grub.conf |
| 05:55.14 | kreg_ | scarynetworkguy heh, then what? |
| 05:55.22 | Antisoche | beh |
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| 05:55.33 | bob2 | pi: no, do not /msg me |
| 05:55.39 | scarynetworkguy | oh wait that was what I had for dinner. Sorry man |
| 05:55.40 | bob2 | unless it's a job offer or a pile of cash |
| 05:55.45 | bob2 | and I already have a job |
| 05:55.46 | Hyp3rion | pi - non ident client is no problem i block port 113 here and never time out :-/ |
| 05:56.11 | bob2 | pi: you just create regular partitions, the type does not matter |
| 05:56.21 | bob2 | pi: you will make them swap/linux at a later stage |
| 05:56.24 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: sounds like a party to me |
| 05:56.32 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin pretty much |
| 05:57.07 | Guerin | do you folks in the US ever eat goat? |
| 05:57.19 | kreg_ | i thought i remember a tool to update modules and modules.conf |
| 05:57.25 | Antisoche | only if you're joining a fraternity |
| 05:57.28 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin you just go over to the place on 3rd and order the goat taco. It really is not that hard man |
| 05:57.35 | Antisoche | modconf |
| 05:57.44 | pi | cool, ok |
| 05:57.44 | bob2 | Antisoche: why do you have a > 2GB .deb, anyway? |
| 05:57.47 | pi | ty very much |
| 05:57.49 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: I think you'd be surprised just how far that is for me... |
| 05:57.55 | Antisoche | bob2: >4GB |
| 05:57.58 | kreg_ | well i can run modconf, and it does show what's loaded and not loaded, but it doesn't update modules or modules.conf to the current config i'm running. |
| 05:58.01 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin :) |
| 05:58.01 | Antisoche | bob2: MPEG stream |
| 05:58.07 | Guerin | Antisoche: goat as a frat-entry gag... hmm |
| 05:58.15 | Guerin | bizarre |
| 05:58.44 | Antisoche | Goat is not typical US fare... |
| 05:58.46 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin when you get here just keep in mind that it is across the street from the pawn shop and before the circle k |
| 05:58.46 | bob2 | Antisoche: why are you packaging MPEGs? |
| 05:59.02 | frevidar | how do I tell make to define one constant as another? as in, I want to tell make to define MAXFLOAT as FLT_MAX. |
| 05:59.04 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: ok, I'll keep that in mind |
| 05:59.06 | scarynetworkguy | Antisoche that depends on where you are at |
| 05:59.12 | Antisoche | bob2: Well, the idea was to reuse the content distribution infrastructure ... |
| 05:59.13 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: what side of the road is it on? |
| 05:59.17 | cef | bob2: it's a pre-release of open office 2.. *joking!* |
| 05:59.26 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin left if your coming from work |
| 05:59.43 | Hyp3rion | Antisoche - check out http://lesbian.mine.nu |
| 05:59.45 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 05:59.48 | Bill2 | AHHHH OMG IT WORKS |
| 05:59.50 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: so right if you're coming from the rifle range... ok, I got ya |
| 05:59.52 | Bill2 | omg I can die happy |
| 05:59.59 | sussudio | Bill2: please do |
| 06:00.00 | Guerin | !congratulate Bill2 |
| 06:00.01 | dpkg | huzzah Bill2, you did it! |
| 06:00.02 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin right on man. |
| 06:00.02 | bob2 | frevidar: why would make do that? |
| 06:00.10 | bob2 | frevidar: don't you want gcc to do it for you? |
| 06:00.10 | Bill2 | bob2 scarynetworkguy everyone THANKS SO MUCH |
| 06:00.15 | Guerin | now leave this place, and never return |
| 06:00.19 | Bill2 | Guerin THANKS! |
| 06:00.29 | Bill2 | Hyp3rion hehe thanks :0) |
| 06:00.32 | Antisoche | Hyp3rion: ok |
| 06:00.42 | bob2 | Bill2: heh, good work |
| 06:00.57 | Guerin | !eviscerate Bill2 |
| 06:00.58 | dpkg | Bill2 was eviscerated by a fiend. S/he will not be mourned. |
| 06:00.58 | Antisoche | Hyp3rion: is there a faq here? |
| 06:01.06 | Bill2 | bob2 it was just the pci=noacpci thing ..wow 3 weeks 3 days and all I needed to knwo was that!!! |
| 06:02.00 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy depends, s it a tax-deductible night? ;P |
| 06:02.02 | kreg_ | got about 12 modules loaded by hand. how do i tell modules and modules.conf to update? |
| 06:02.06 | Hyp3rion | Antisoche - http://lesbian.mine.nu/readme |
| 06:02.23 | bob2 | kreg_: just ad their names to /etc/modules |
| 06:02.29 | kreg_ | i don't want to |
| 06:02.30 | Antisoche | Hyp3rion: That's actually kinda interesting ... but I still have the 4GB problem |
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| 06:02.47 | Guerin | kreg_: then you'll have toload them by hand every boot |
| 06:02.55 | Hyp3rion | Antisoche - 4gb problem? sorry i missed it... |
| 06:02.59 | kreg_ | modconf has always done it before tho. |
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| 06:03.23 | Guerin | kreg_: if you install them using modconf, that will work too |
| 06:03.24 | Hyp3rion | Antisoche - they distribute >10gig anime so maybe mail lasbian maintainers how they do this :-/ |
| 06:03.32 | Hyp3rion | lesbian* |
| 06:03.35 | Antisoche | Hyp3rion: Basically, that's where tools like web servers and binutils' 'ar' freak out |
| 06:03.36 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt :) |
| 06:03.48 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt I have this theory that I want to try |
| 06:03.53 | kerpal | if a module is loading, not from /etc/modules where is it loading from? |
| 06:03.54 | kreg_ | Guerin hmmm. i guess that's better than nothing. too bad there isn't a way to just scan what's loaded, and then write a file. |
| 06:04.06 | Antisoche | Hyp3rion: really? Where can I see this 10GB file? |
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| 06:04.41 | kerpal | hyo3rion: you in CA? You speak to onaloxt on aol? Seems like I know you. |
| 06:04.41 | g4lt | what, that drunken coding is almost always better? |
| 06:04.50 | Guerin | !almost |
| 06:04.50 | dpkg | from memory, almost is only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades |
| 06:05.14 | zamolxes | KDE, CUPS, GNOME in sid may not install until the new libcupsys2-gnutls10 is uploaded, please be patient |
| 06:05.15 | g4lt | good god, kerpal, did you check your english skills at the door? |
| 06:05.20 | zamolxes | you oughta add samba to that |
| 06:05.25 | *** part/#debian zoyd_ (~zoyd@61.1.106.42) |
| 06:05.25 | Hyp3rion | Antisoche - zx.blue.gender5.77GB22025144.41GB |
| 06:05.27 | kerpal | yesh |
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| 06:06.13 | Hyp3rion | Antisoche - http://ftp.de.lesbian.mine.nu/lesbian/pools/zhentarim/zx.blue.gender |
| 06:06.14 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt yes but also that if you have a lappie the chicks will assume that you have money |
| 06:06.15 | kerpal | What about bad english man im not really sure what your talking about, could you, be, more, helpful; could you give a lesson? |
| 06:06.47 | sussudio | scarynetworkguy: _had_ money |
| 06:06.47 | Antisoche | it 404s .... |
| 06:06.55 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio :) |
| 06:07.09 | bob2 | kerpal: discover or kudzu or hotplug |
| 06:07.14 | kerpal | su su sudio :) |
| 06:07.15 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - Sunnavale CA, but maybe we met in sacramento or la or whatever??? |
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| 06:07.29 | Antisoche | Hyp3rion: How did you find that? (I don't have porn-get installed <g.) |
| 06:07.38 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - or you mean ca=california or ca=canada? |
| 06:07.40 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy I'm leaning on one of hte bar owners around here to set up 802.11, he doesn't know how much it'll push business |
| 06:07.48 | redd | is wine available in a deb package? |
| 06:07.48 | kerpal | naw, You where in brazil we met when I was working at aol. |
| 06:07.55 | kerpal | california. |
| 06:07.55 | zoyd_ | hi, the stock kernel of woody(2.2.20) doesn't seem to have IP masqerading enabled .. is it needed to setup a simple firewall? |
| 06:08.05 | zamolxes | redd apt-cache search wine |
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| 06:08.17 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt that would be pretty damn cool |
| 06:08.30 | zoyd_ | .. or can ipchains/iptables do the masqerading itself? |
| 06:08.31 | jm_ | zoyd_: /msg dpkg real kernel and read the FAQ |
| 06:08.31 | anothernick | scarynetworkguy LOL |
| 06:08.37 | jm_ | yes it can do |
| 06:08.38 | Guerin | zoyd_: don't use stock idepci - use woody's 2.4 series kernel and get ipmasq |
| 06:08.42 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy tehn we'll REALLY test your theory ;P |
| 06:08.46 | jm_ | but 2.2 doesn't do iptables |
| 06:08.55 | mdh | redd: no, only duff beer |
| 06:08.56 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt :) |
| 06:09.05 | redd | lol |
| 06:09.14 | Hyp3rion | Antisoche - apt-get install porn-get and find with porn-cache search 'blue.gender' ... |
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| 06:09.31 | Hyp3rion | Antisoche - its only 5gig but there were 10gig things too :-/ |
| 06:09.44 | zoyd_ | jm_, Guuerin: ok, thanks a lot :) |
| 06:09.53 | Hyp3rion | Antisoche - i am SURE apache and bittorrent and normal filesystems can handle this large files! |
| 06:09.56 | zinx | blue gender isn't exactly porn :/ |
| 06:09.58 | *** part/#debian zoyd_ (~zoyd@61.1.106.42) |
| 06:09.58 | anothernick | is there any nforce debs ? |
| 06:10.01 | g4lt | Guerin blame tarzeau |
| 06:10.02 | Hyp3rion | Antisoche - maybe ar not sorry :-/ |
| 06:10.16 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin the autopr0n script is pretty damn cool |
| 06:10.28 | Antisoche | Hyp3rion: Yeah ... I also have dependency issues. It doesn't look like porn-get handles those |
| 06:10.33 | anothernick | i cant find any nforce debs on theyr page |
| 06:10.36 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: I'll take your word for it |
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| 06:10.55 | Guerin | !find nforce |
| 06:11.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nforce' (4 shown; 15 total): (/usr/bin/{getenforce|setenforce}) in libs/selinux-utils ;; (/usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/doc/busses/i2c-nforce2) in utils/lm-sensors ;; (/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/supybot/plugins/Enforcer.py) in net/supybot ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.6-1-k7/kernel/drivers/i2c/busses/i2c-nforce2.ko) in base/kernel-image-2.6.6-1-k7. |
| 06:11.07 | anothernick | this irc network is being bashed right ? |
| 06:11.09 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - well i am not sure :-/ why do you think you know me? are you a mac user... ipod... thiny? |
| 06:11.17 | Guerin | anothernick: being bashed? |
| 06:11.27 | Guerin | !tell anothernick about search |
| 06:11.33 | anothernick | lol |
| 06:11.37 | anothernick | nice flood |
| 06:11.39 | Guerin | !lol |
| 06:11.39 | dpkg | well, lol is Laugh{s,ing} Out Loud. A laugh sound is not spelled "lol" nor is "lol" punctuation. If you want to quickly indicate that you're laughing, use "heh" or "haha" in the first person and "lol" or "is lol" in the third person ("/me"). See also: ne1, u, ur. |
| 06:11.41 | g4lt | Hyp3rion he cybered with you on AOL ;P |
| 06:11.42 | kerpal | Hyp3rion: your a perl programmer right. Just testing my memmory. |
| 06:11.52 | kerpal | :P |
| 06:12.00 | Hyp3rion | zinx - psst! i am fooling Antisoche you insensitive! http://lesbian.mine.nu! |
| 06:12.02 | kerpal | g4lt: :P you remember me.. lol |
| 06:12.07 | kerpal | lmao |
| 06:12.19 | Antisoche | Hyp3rion: I'm being trolled? :( |
| 06:12.31 | Guerin | kerpal: yes, you are |
| 06:12.37 | kerpal | ~lart g4lt |
| 06:12.40 | Antisoche | Hey - If this thing actually works .... |
| 06:12.45 | anothernick | Guerin i was looking for the oficial nvidia drivers in deb pacage |
| 06:12.46 | kerpal | ~lart Guerin |
| 06:12.49 | anothernick | Guerin i was looking for the oficial nvidia drivers in deb package |
| 06:12.56 | kerpal | ~lart scarynetworkguy |
| 06:13.10 | Antisoche | I don't understand why it uses lynx and wget, but ... |
| 06:13.16 | g4lt | peterS and this difffers from normal times, how? |
| 06:13.21 | Antisoche | er, lynx AND wget |
| 06:13.30 | kerpal | anothernick: its just as easy to get the kernal source and run the nvidia installer (but its not the debian way) |
| 06:13.31 | Guerin | !tell anothernick about nvidia debs |
| 06:13.34 | scarynetworkguy | Antisoche to grab the drivers |
| 06:13.43 | Guerin | !aliensmite kerpal |
| 06:13.50 | Antisoche | porn drivers? |
| 06:13.51 | cef | peterS: heya. as for the 'wtf?'.. c'mon man.. it's #debian.. nothing makes sense here! |
| 06:13.51 | peterS | g4lt: well, *sometimes* there is more Debian-related stuff onscreen at a time than discussion of past cyber-relationships |
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| 06:13.56 | scarynetworkguy | oh gawd not another nvidia installer war |
| 06:13.59 | g4lt | phos-phoros who makes tha tone, I know Magnum Research makes the BFG |
| 06:14.02 | cafuego | !petsmite Guerin |
| 06:14.09 | anothernick | kerpal have you done that ? |
| 06:14.09 | peterS | cef: long time no see. are you involved in the cybersex ring here, then? |
| 06:14.15 | anothernick | did it worked ? |
| 06:14.17 | kerpal | anothernick: yep |
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| 06:14.27 | cef | peterS: nup.. |
| 06:14.28 | Guerin | cafuego: who asked you? |
| 06:14.28 | scarynetworkguy | yea at least I'm not talking about my food tv pr0n idea tonight |
| 06:14.30 | cef | bbk |
| 06:14.39 | Guerin | !eviscerate cafuego |
| 06:14.39 | dpkg | cafuego was eviscerated by a fiend. S/he will not be mourned. |
| 06:14.47 | kerpal | anothernick: yesh to both. but i run my own kern. |
| 06:14.50 | anothernick | its prolly the same has nvidia gfx driveres that you have to edit lots of files ? |
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| 06:15.05 | mdh | !smite me oh mighty smiter |
| 06:15.05 | cafuego | Guerin: I don't generally need to be asked, but just because you're wondering, 3 religious users prayed. |
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| 06:15.26 | Guerin | cafuego: only 3? |
| 06:15.30 | kerpal | anothernick: it was pretty easy I may have had to edit x-config file once.. Oh the pain that was rolls his eyes.. |
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| 06:15.38 | cafuego | Guerin: Yes, the rest didn't give a crap. |
| 06:15.44 | Hyp3rion | peterS - shuss! LOL |
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| 06:15.46 | Antisoche | lol http://apt-get.mine.nu/woody-holycow-debian.jpg |
| 06:15.55 | anothernick | im talking about the nforce board driveres |
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| 06:15.59 | Hyp3rion | peterS - no. |
| 06:16.10 | anothernick | not the gfx drivers |
| 06:16.20 | peterS | did I get the violence record last month? I was on top for awhile there |
| 06:16.32 | Guerin | anothernick: you've already been told how to search. Go to it. |
| 06:16.43 | g4lt | peterS nobody has it now. we've all been too nice |
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| 06:16.54 | cafuego | anothernick: Any recent 2.4.x kernel |
| 06:16.55 | Antisoche | k, well ... g'nite. thx for the chatter |
| 06:16.55 | Hyp3rion | Antisoche - sorry! apt-get moo! |
| 06:17.03 | kerpal | anothernick: ahh sorry. wrong deal.. |
| 06:17.07 | Skagg | morning |
| 06:17.27 | cafuego | Skagg: afternoon |
| 06:17.28 | Guerin | Skagg: afternoon |
| 06:17.28 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - so i remember your nick but when we met in brasil? you a girl? |
| 06:17.41 | mdh | dammit... 2.6.7-rc2-mm1 has a sr compile bug :( |
| 06:17.49 | Skagg | oh he not here Cafuego and Guerin =) |
| 06:17.52 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: now you're just trying to impress people |
| 06:17.53 | cafuego | !srt 2.6.7-rc2-mm1 |
| 06:18.00 | kerpal | Hyp3rion: no man, we talked the other night after sometime. We talked about blockit and snort originally. |
| 06:18.02 | cafuego | mdh: fixed |
| 06:18.04 | peterS | doh. I'm pretty sure the May stats are wrong. I had more violence to my name than either the winner (debian, with 5) or the followup (cafuego, with 4) |
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| 06:18.17 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - WHERE??? |
| 06:18.18 | Tokeiito | hello |
| 06:18.19 | kerpal | Hyp3rion: just testing my memmory. |
| 06:18.24 | kerpal | Hyp3rion |
| 06:18.31 | kerpal | Hyp3rion: you wrote blockit right? |
| 06:18.36 | Guerin | peterS: it must be that you just used more subtle and creative forms of violence.... |
| 06:18.40 | Tokeiito | my problem: i reiinstal my debian, before that made backups, but forgot to copy them to anth FTP ;| how to recover them now? f-type ext3? |
| 06:18.45 | cafuego | peterS: Yes, I'm sure you are MUCH more violent then I am. |
| 06:18.46 | anothernick | i need the forceware drivers are they good ? |
| 06:18.46 | sussudio | kerpal: are you drunk? |
| 06:18.49 | g4lt | peterS you're just whining because you weren't bloodthirsty enough |
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| 06:18.51 | peterS | Guerin: no, it showed me as doing violence more than 5 times |
| 06:18.52 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - yes. |
| 06:18.58 | anothernick | theyr pretty new |
| 06:18.59 | kerpal | su su sudio. |
| 06:19.04 | scarynetworkguy | Tokeiito HA HA |
| 06:19.07 | mdh | peterS: and that was just last hour ;) |
| 06:19.09 | scarynetworkguy | Tokeiito HA HA |
| 06:19.10 | cafuego | peterS: even though i generally do mainly mediated violence |
| 06:19.15 | cafuego | !slap peterS |
| 06:19.18 | Tokeiito | scarynetworkguy very funy |
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| 06:19.23 | cafuego | ... and that isn't counted. |
| 06:19.26 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - you mean http://patrick.wattle.id.au/cameron/software/blockit/ |
| 06:19.27 | Hyp3rion | ? |
| 06:19.28 | peterS | cafuego: see, that doesn't really count. that's violence by proxy |
| 06:19.44 | g4lt | god, only a slap? quelle gauche! |
| 06:19.45 | kerpal | Hyp3rion: tats cool. I think it was last night or the night before you where up I had sent you a msg on aol. it was late. Yep, i mean block it. |
| 06:19.51 | g4lt | !bitchslap cafuego |
| 06:19.52 | anothernick | mad geks |
| 06:20.07 | peterS | cafuego: legally you might be just as liable, but I think the stats generator doesn't count it |
| 06:20.14 | Hyp3rion | LOL ROFL!!!1! |
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| 06:20.34 | Hyp3rion | now sussudio thinks i am some dog or wtf?? |
| 06:20.36 | Guerin | !tranquilize Hyp3rion |
| 06:20.42 | Hyp3rion | kerpal thinks i am from california? |
| 06:20.45 | Hyp3rion | wtf??! |
| 06:20.48 | kerpal | lol |
| 06:20.50 | Hyp3rion | everyone stoned? |
| 06:20.50 | g4lt | peterS besides, I have the most violent pic ;P |
| 06:20.56 | cafuego | peterS: legally? |
| 06:21.01 | cafuego | peterS: Put down that bong |
| 06:21.04 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - i dont know what blockit is! i never been to brasil or calif |
| 06:21.07 | Guerin | g4lt: that pic is teh best |
| 06:21.10 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - i never seen you |
| 06:21.11 | peterS | cafuego: like, if you hire somebody (or a bot) to kill someone, you can still go to prison for it |
| 06:21.13 | kerpal | Hyp3rion: cool. |
| 06:21.18 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - and i dont know that AOL is |
| 06:21.29 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - [apart from some US company] |
| 06:21.34 | peterS | cafuego: I'm saying, legally, doing something by proxy counts - but in debstats I don't think it does |
| 06:21.36 | mwilson | Only I am from CA. :) |
| 06:21.37 | kerpal | kerpal: no biggie dude. |
| 06:21.42 | kerpal | mwilson :) |
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| 06:22.02 | cafuego | peterS: Where you live, maybe. That's not necessarily the same place as where 1) I live, 2) the bot runs 3) the stats pages are 4) badgers are in charge |
| 06:22.15 | Hyp3rion | !dict bong |
| 06:22.17 | dpkg | Dictionary 'bong' ring loudly and deeply; "the big bell bonged" |
| 06:22.23 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:22.26 | Hyp3rion | LOL |
| 06:22.34 | Guerin | !google bong |
| 06:22.36 | peterS | Hyp3rion: right, that's not the only definition |
| 06:22.42 | dpkg | Google says bong is at http://www.commline.com/ or http://bong.com/ or http://www.blurofinsanity.com/bongdesignpage.html or http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame71.html or http://www.tinyplanets.com/ |
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| 06:22.56 | peterS | oooh, bongdesignpage.html |
| 06:23.01 | anothernick | !google dongle |
| 06:23.03 | debian | Hyp3rion: AOL gathers most elites |
| 06:23.06 | dpkg | Google says dongle is at http://www.whatis.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci211990,00.html or http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?dongle or http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/d.html or http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/1412.htm or http://www.deffeyes.com/morrowind/ |
| 06:23.17 | debian | !aolify Hyp3rion |
| 06:23.29 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - btw, this convo etta k-rad tnx! |
| 06:23.45 | kerpal | wtf? |
| 06:23.47 | kerpal | lol |
| 06:23.53 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - see you in OC on da NOFX gig! you fooled whole #debian! |
| 06:23.56 | scarynetworkguy | fry is drunk |
| 06:24.02 | Hyp3rion | OS |
| 06:24.03 | Guerin | peterS: that's a good page |
| 06:24.04 | kerpal | lol |
| 06:24.04 | Hyp3rion | !OC |
| 06:24.06 | cafuego | !bucketbong Hyp3rion |
| 06:24.17 | Hyp3rion | !OC is Orange County, LA, CF, US |
| 06:24.17 | dpkg | okay, Hyp3rion |
| 06:24.24 | DaFrog` | how come when you apt-get install mysql-server the mysqld doesn't bind to port 3306 ? |
| 06:24.34 | cafuego | DaFrog`: see /etc/my.cnf |
| 06:24.44 | Guerin | cafuego: that's pretty good |
| 06:24.54 | DaFrog` | isn't it suppost to do that by default though? |
| 06:25.00 | mwilson | DaFrog`: For the reason it gave you when you installed it. |
| 06:25.00 | Guerin | dpkg, OC =~ s/CF/CA/ |
| 06:25.01 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 06:25.09 | cafuego | DaFrog`: No, thad's be kinda insecure |
| 06:25.20 | mwilson | DaFrog`: That's kinda why it popped up that message you didn't read. |
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| 06:25.33 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - cameron@patrick.wattle.id.au wrote blockit not me sorry. but its really cool agreed! |
| 06:25.36 | scarynetworkguy | !be reading barbie |
| 06:25.36 | dpkg | Reading is HARD. |
| 06:25.44 | kerpal | cool. |
| 06:25.53 | cafuego | DaFrog`: You need to tell it to listen the networks, (skip-networking), the default is via local socket only. |
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| 06:25.59 | mdh | !be thomas_adam barbie |
| 06:26.00 | dpkg | fvwm is sooo cool. Let's go shopping, teehee. |
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| 06:27.12 | rredd | how do i find out how much hd space is left? |
| 06:27.16 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - tru sorry :-/ |
| 06:27.40 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - u dont understand uberrad caspeek? |
| 06:27.51 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt why so easy opn him? |
| 06:28.02 | kerpal | Hyp3rion: not since my old days as an 8i3 op. |
| 06:28.02 | scarynetworkguy | rredd df |
| 06:28.18 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy I'm listening to hippy music now, love, peace, and harmony ;P |
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| 06:29.09 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - guthrie! you ever read the guthrie license? open source music R0x ;-) |
| 06:29.38 | kerpal | funny i am waiting for the horny to turn 18 |
| 06:29.39 | kerpal | lol |
| 06:29.46 | Guerin | !lol] |
| 06:29.48 | Guerin | !lo |
| 06:29.49 | dpkg | i heard lo is the loopback device. you can ping yourself, great fun that!, or the loopbackdevice for mounting files like devices |
| 06:29.51 | Guerin | !lol |
| 06:29.52 | dpkg | somebody said lol was Laugh{s,ing} Out Loud. A laugh sound is not spelled "lol" nor is "lol" punctuation. If you want to quickly indicate that you're laughing, use "heh" or "haha" in the first person and "lol" or "is lol" in the third person ("/me"). See also: ne1, u, ur. |
| 06:29.54 | Guerin | fuck!! |
| 06:30.09 | scarynetworkguy | as someone who lives ~50 miles north or Eugene OR I would like to point out that the reason no one likes Hippies is cause they never fucking bathe |
| 06:30.10 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - i see you smoked that weed now ;-) |
| 06:30.15 | kerpal | !aliensmite guerin's hehehehe |
| 06:30.27 | kreg | is there a way to limit users so they don't use all of the bandwidth at once? |
| 06:30.42 | scarynetworkguy | !aliensmite hippies |
| 06:30.44 | jm_ | kreg: http://lartc.org/ |
| 06:30.54 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: there isn't an ounce of weed within 1,000km of where I am |
| 06:30.59 | scarynetworkguy | !aolsmite hiipies |
| 06:31.07 | kerpal | Guerin: sure.... |
| 06:31.10 | mdh | Guerin: we can tell... you smoked it all |
| 06:31.14 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - lol] lo lolJ lol! |
| 06:31.29 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin move to Eugene |
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| 06:31.39 | sussudio | PcDoCToRu: hello there! |
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| 06:31.44 | sussudio | fas: weee! |
| 06:31.48 | sussudio | they're baaaack |
| 06:31.51 | cafuego | 16:31:39 up 103 days, 4:02, 3 users, load average: 1.00, 1.01, 1.00 |
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| 06:32.03 | Guerin | mdh: kerpal: no, honestly ... in this part of the world, ganja is a deportation/life-in-prison offence |
| 06:32.20 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin where you at man? |
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| 06:32.38 | sussudio | woot |
| 06:33.01 | Guerin | Dae Hanminkuk |
| 06:33.07 | Hyp3rion | /country .tr |
| 06:33.10 | Hyp3rion | BAH |
| 06:33.13 | Guerin | The Republic of Korea |
| 06:33.41 | jm_ | that would be .kr I hope ;) |
| 06:33.42 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin now you are just full of bullshit |
| 06:33.46 | kerpal | must kill the guys at the pipe factories their |
| 06:33.47 | Hyp3rion | .kp nope? |
| 06:33.50 | scarynetworkguy | jm_ it is |
| 06:33.51 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: is that right |
| 06:34.05 | kreg | jm_, very nice HOWTO, thank you |
| 06:34.09 | mdh | nnnngggghhhhtttt |
| 06:34.12 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: how long did you live here for? |
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| 06:34.20 | Guerin | .kr |
| 06:34.24 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin just shy of 4 years total |
| 06:34.30 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: in the service? |
| 06:34.39 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin only for a year of it |
| 06:34.54 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: how long ago? |
| 06:34.57 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin plenty of ganga in Korea |
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| 06:35.07 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin last time I was there was 1998 |
| 06:35.16 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: well, I've not found any, and it ain't for lack of trying |
| 06:35.41 | anothernick | are there any nforce mb drivers has deb ? |
| 06:35.47 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin you know where the Lotte hotel is? |
| 06:35.49 | anothernick | are there any nforce mb drivers as .deb ? |
| 06:36.04 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: and the korean police's policy of taking a hair test for all common drugs, and prosecuting on the basis of that test is worrisome |
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| 06:36.14 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: yeah, near namdaemun |
| 06:36.15 | Hyp3rion | anothernick - you need .deb for MOBO drivers? you're in big trouble man! |
| 06:36.26 | anothernick | why ? |
| 06:36.38 | cafuego | Hyp3rion: No, he needs to read what i told him half an hour ago. |
| 06:36.45 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: haven't met many korean girls, have you? |
| 06:36.46 | cafuego | !tell anothernick -about supported by |
| 06:36.49 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin ich they did not do that when I was there. You used to be able to get weed in the red light district in chun ho |
| 06:36.52 | Hyp3rion | anothernick - how can you *boot* without the mobo drivers? |
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| 06:37.38 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: yeah. You have to be arrested for some other reason, but still - that ain't hard |
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| 06:37.49 | klys | hyp3rion that's hysterical |
| 06:37.57 | Hyp3rion | Guerin - no. but the only one i met was PERFECT. [but i recall we had this conversation sometime ago alread, nope?] |
| 06:38.05 | scarynetworkguy | Hyp3rion yea if you speak Korean getting hot babes is just too easy |
| 06:38.09 | Hyp3rion | klys? |
| 06:38.12 | klys | ? |
| 06:38.13 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin are you military? |
| 06:38.16 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: someone I knew had a contact in Itaewon, but he was arrested pretty swiftly |
| 06:38.30 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: nah, I'm not even US - I'm an english teacher |
| 06:38.40 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin well anyone who is naughty in Itaewon deserves what they get |
| 06:38.54 | Guerin | Hyp3rion: maybe. Korean women are the most annoying people on the planet, in my experience. |
| 06:38.58 | Hyp3rion | <klys> hyp3rion that's hysterical <== wtf?? |
| 06:38.58 | cafuego | what's smopking a joint have to do with being naughty? |
| 06:39.06 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: and they all get it too.... |
| 06:39.21 | klys | hyp3rion is "mobo drivers" an oxymoron? |
| 06:39.36 | Hyp3rion | scarynetworkguy - if you're a scarynetworkguy getting hotbabes is easy already, nope :-P~~~ |
| 06:40.08 | cafuego | Hyp3rion: downloading hentai doesn't count |
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| 06:40.21 | deadcat | whats the diff between CVSROOT=user@remote:/path/to/cvsroot and CVSROOT=:ext:user@remote:/path/to/cvsroot ? |
| 06:40.29 | Hyp3rion | klys - mobo=mother board |
| 06:40.33 | scarynetworkguy | Hyp3rion well it was 10 years ago when I was there. :) |
| 06:40.35 | sussudio | deadcat: :ext: |
| 06:40.39 | klys | hyp3rion say nerk |
| 06:40.48 | deadcat | sussudio: ya. whats the :ext: mean? |
| 06:40.48 | klys | ~nerk |
| 06:40.49 | apt | nerk! |
| 06:40.59 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin what part of Seoul are you in? |
| 06:41.12 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: I'm not in seoul, I'm down in Chung Nam Do |
| 06:41.15 | cafuego | deadcat: remote service; normally it'd be :pserver: or somesuch. |
| 06:41.17 | cpbell | I got a VFS error from the kernel. "VFS: Disk change detected on device ide0(3,64) |
| 06:41.26 | cpbell | I'm trying to figure out what device that is. |
| 06:41.27 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: but I get up to seoul now and again |
| 06:41.32 | Hyp3rion | cafuego - :-) you reveal you seen blue gender already! actually i couldnt download cuz i got 1k doen with bittorrent because my firewall :-( |
| 06:41.33 | mdh | cpbell: that's not an error |
| 06:41.39 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin very cool. |
| 06:41.40 | Hyp3rion | cafuego - and its ecchi only! |
| 06:41.41 | cpbell | mdh: hahaha. |
| 06:41.44 | cafuego | deadcat: .. or posibly a protocol |
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| 06:41.52 | cpbell | mdh: I know. |
| 06:41.58 | Hyp3rion | klys - now wtf is nerk? |
| 06:42.02 | sussudio | BaHaMuT: hello, get klined now ktnx |
| 06:42.06 | deadcat | cafuego: but for me its pretty much useless right? i can just do user@host:/path/tocvsroot right? |
| 06:42.08 | cpbell | mdh: wrong word. "Logging" message. |
| 06:42.09 | klys | hey lay off man |
| 06:42.12 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: nah, I'd rather be in seoul - the backwoods attitudes out here get oppressive after a while |
| 06:42.34 | cafuego | deadcat: depends on the remote host eh? Is it just a default cvs server? |
| 06:43.14 | mdh | cpbell: it's hdb |
| 06:43.15 | deadcat | cafuego: ya. i login as myself. i am in /etc/passwd |
| 06:43.18 | cpbell | ide0(3,64) .... bus 0, major 3, minor 64 |
| 06:43.23 | cpbell | mdh: thanks. |
| 06:43.36 | mdh | cpbell: ls -l /dev/hd? |
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| 06:43.40 | cafuego | cpbell: ls -al /dev | grep ^b | grep 3, | grep 64 |
| 06:43.48 | sussudio | CaRD: no spam pls ktnx. |
| 06:43.54 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin you teach at a Uni? |
| 06:43.59 | cpbell | sweet... I didn't event think about ls. |
| 06:44.40 | cpbell | cafuego, mdh: Thanks guys. ls is what I wanted to do. |
| 06:44.47 | cafuego | cpbell: well, it won't work if you use an udev or devfs kernel and don't have an 'hdm' |
| 06:44.51 | cafuego | s/m'/b'/ |
| 06:45.27 | mdh | cpbell: it's the theory that counts though... look for the device with major number 3, minor number 64 |
| 06:45.54 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: nah, just in a local private institute and in a school - elementary and middle school |
| 06:46.26 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: it bores the shit out of me, but I have plenty of time on my hands |
| 06:46.32 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin oh yea that sucks. The second time I was there I had a gig at a Uni. Heaven man sheer heaven |
| 06:47.03 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: yeah, that'll be us once this contract finishes |
| 06:47.41 | g4lt | cafuego just for you, since you like to do proxyviolence, look at alicekill ;P |
| 06:47.51 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin you will have fun. |
| 06:48.30 | Guerin | g4lt: I wondered if you'd make that into a factoid |
| 06:49.03 | g4lt | Guerin I hadd look up the lyrics on arlo.net ;) |
| 06:49.03 | Hyp3rion | kerpal - u around? |
| 06:49.06 | cpbell | cafego: okay ... here is another question that is more about sysadmin technique than debian. |
| 06:49.21 | sparr | is there any way to disable file permissions on an ext2 filesystem? |
| 06:49.26 | cpbell | cafego: sorry, that wasn't only for you. |
| 06:49.34 | Guerin | sparr: why would you? |
| 06:49.37 | Hyp3rion | sparr - no. use vfat32 |
| 06:49.45 | debian | !seen cafego |
| 06:49.45 | dpkg | debian: i haven't seen 'cafego' |
| 06:49.47 | sparr | Guerin: so no one gets errors trying to mess with it |
| 06:50.01 | sparr | Hyp3rion: changing filesystems is even more annoying than having to sudo chown things |
| 06:50.05 | Hyp3rion | !dabian |
| 06:50.08 | Guerin | sparr: if you don;t know how to do that, you shouldn't be fucking with it |
| 06:50.11 | Hyp3rion | !seen dabian |
| 06:50.11 | dpkg | dabian <M0RTEN@62.242.24.181> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 12h 12m 49s ago, saying: 'please'. |
| 06:50.12 | Hyp3rion | bah |
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| 06:50.36 | sparr | Guerin: and if i do then i get to come here and complain about it being tedious. happy? |
| 06:50.41 | debian | Hyp3rion: it's not me |
| 06:50.47 | cpbell | what is the best technique for copying all the files on a root partition to a new drive? |
| 06:51.03 | Guerin | sparr: it can be automated, and once you figure it out, you can come here and whine about it, yes. |
| 06:51.17 | cpbell | cp -Rv ? |
| 06:51.34 | Hyp3rion | sparr - removing the capability of storing permission on a file system = cracking your own system and sending it to hell... 10... 9... 8... |
| 06:51.37 | cpbell | or is "tar" a better option? It saves permissions doesn't it. |
| 06:52.00 | cef | cpbell: cp -a preserves permissions as well |
| 06:52.27 | Hyp3rion | debian - person: Jimmy Juul <== yes true! |
| 06:52.31 | Guerin | cpbell: I'd use tar - it autmoatically preserves perms if untarred as root |
| 06:52.35 | Hyp3rion | address: De Danske Mejeriers Faellesindkoeb |
| 06:52.37 | sparr | Guerin: ok, how do i automate it then? i need to chown every file to whichever user is trying to access it |
| 06:52.48 | debian | Hyp3rion: what kind of name is 'Juul'? |
| 06:52.54 | Guerin | sparr: did I already mention that if you have to ask, you shouldn't? |
| 06:52.58 | Hyp3rion | debian - danish? |
| 06:53.00 | Guerin | sparr: find it out for yourself |
| 06:53.08 | sparr | Hyp3rion: its my frickin non-application storage drive. theres no loss of security. i dont care if some hacker has access to my MP3s. |
| 06:53.09 | debian | Hyp3rion: something like that.. |
| 06:53.19 | cpbell | cef: so i guess tar and cp can do (basically) the same thing. It's just personal style I guess. |
| 06:53.29 | sparr | if they got that far then i have more to worry about than losing all my porn |
| 06:53.48 | cef | cpbell: of course, you could use rsync as well. I did that between 2 drives that were in 2 separate machines.. even used the OS on one of the drives to run rsync out of |
| 06:53.50 | sparr | Guerin: ok then, i dont believe you. |
| 06:54.00 | Hyp3rion | debian - vgf gru snzvylanzr. whyv vf tveym anzr. gur %!~%$ jub sbetbg zl anzr nsgre unys v lrne vf whyv sbe vafgnapr |
| 06:54.17 | g4lt | sparr what does chown give you that mode 777 doesn't? |
| 06:54.38 | sparr | g4lt: some programs dont like their files being 777 (wine, to name one) |
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| 06:55.12 | sparr | g4lt: plus everything 777 gets colored as an executable in bash ls, so its more like 666+X :) |
| 06:55.13 | XpTerminator | 'morning |
| 06:55.13 | cafuego | sparr: 664, parent directories g+s, users in group that owns the files. |
| 06:55.25 | cef | cpbell: but cp -a will copy file for file, whereas tar will stream the data out, which then might need to be sent to another copy of tar (if it's the same machine).. it depends entirely on where the source and destination drives are |
| 06:55.51 | cpbell | cef: both on one local machine |
| 06:55.57 | g4lt | sparr why does the color matter, it's the magic number that makes it executable... |
| 06:56.26 | sparr | cafuego: i still have the problem of having to chmod and chown all the new files on that drive. i already have cron doing it daily, but thats not helping much |
| 06:56.31 | cef | cpbell: and I can tell you now that 'cp -a' will definitely outperform 'tar -c /hda |tar -x /hdb' simply because of the pipe |
| 06:56.32 | g4lt | hell, just a global umask of 000 should do it |
| 06:56.38 | Hyp3rion | sparr - umod |
| 06:56.39 | Hyp3rion | sparr - umode |
| 06:56.53 | g4lt | Hyp3rion uhm, umask |
| 06:56.57 | sparr | g4lt: just an annoyance. also, with 777 i get all files instead of just binaries when i type ./TAB |
| 06:56.58 | Hyp3rion | bah |
| 06:57.05 | Hyp3rion | g4lt is always right |
| 06:57.12 | Hyp3rion | Hyp3rion is always wrong |
| 06:57.15 | cafuego | Hyp3rion: only when g4lt is me. |
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| 06:57.53 | Hyp3rion | ? |
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| 06:57.59 | Hyp3rion | cafuego ?= g4lt |
| 06:58.00 | cef | Hyp3rion: except for that previous statement, in which case, you were right, thereby proving the above statement wrong, in which case you were wrong, (and so on...) |
| 06:58.03 | sparr | how do i make umask only apply to one filesystem? |
| 06:58.11 | Hyp3rion | doesnt seem so :-/ |
| 06:58.29 | jarango | my /etc/profile does not seem to be executed when I log on. can someone help ? |
| 06:58.52 | Hyp3rion | cef - try feeding my statements to prolog and yo'll get 250 loadavg. higher than kernel org! |
| 06:59.04 | cef | heh |
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| 07:00.12 | cpbell | cef: good call. cp is def. better locally. |
| 07:00.24 | g4lt | Hyp3rion trust me cafuego doesn't WANT my life, or lack thereof |
| 07:00.26 | XpTerminator | I would like to remove my mta and in the same time I would like to have clisp or cmucl. But it seems that common-lisp-controller depends on mailx that depends ... and so on. So I can't have a lisp interpeter w/o a mta? :\ |
| 07:00.52 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - heh |
| 07:01.12 | Guerin | XpTerminator: not having MTA on your system breaks things |
| 07:01.14 | cafuego | g4lt: Nono, sacrifices are always welcome, however feeble they are. |
| 07:01.28 | Guerin | XpTerminator: live with it |
| 07:01.49 | XpTerminator | Guerin: okay :) |
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| 07:01.57 | XpTerminator | I'll get used to it.. ;P |
| 07:02.04 | cef | cpbell: if the copy gets halted for any reason, also look at rsync.. which works locally. just remember to use rsync -aW (a = archive, W = copy whole files, don't do incremental comparison/checksum checks) |
| 07:02.09 | g4lt | cafuego he was asking if you were me. trust me on this, you do NOT want to walk n my shoes for even a step |
| 07:02.11 | jm_ | XpTerminator: or try installing a simpler alternative, apt-cache search mail-transport-agent |
| 07:02.46 | mdh | XpTerminator: install something decent like postfix and configure it not to listen for non-local connections (eg, disable smtpd/inet in its master.cf) |
| 07:02.47 | XpTerminator | jm_: I found a lightweight version of exim.. I'll try this.. |
| 07:02.49 | cafuego | g4lt: Being omniscient, I effectively do already. |
| 07:03.14 | jm_ | XpTerminator: that's in sarge, but there are even simpler ones |
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| 07:03.27 | cafuego | XpTerminator: see 'nullmailer' |
| 07:03.34 | mdh | smail |
| 07:03.41 | g4lt | cafuego then you already know what a living hell my life is |
| 07:03.46 | mdh | nullmailer needs a smarthost iirc :/ |
| 07:03.55 | cafuego | mdh: /dev/null |
| 07:04.04 | mdh | hahaha |
| 07:04.07 | cafuego | g4lt: it's all relative, son. |
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| 07:06.15 | sussudio | peterS: !sing g4lt |
| 07:06.24 | cafuego | You go to Sydney for a day and they just USURP |
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| 07:08.09 | ircdevil | sup |
| 07:08.59 | cafuego | ircdevil: violent uprising of the masses |
| 07:08.59 | VoX | haha |
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| 07:10.23 | Vinland | I am having a problem with my ftp server, I can't seem to upload anyhing to it. I am using vsftpd..I have the problem posted here http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=128531&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 |
| 07:11.15 | sussudio | ircdevil: jordbaer solskin grevling bamse |
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| 07:12.01 | ircdevil | sussudio: hehehehehe |
| 07:12.12 | sussudio | ircdevil: med flode |
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| 07:12.33 | FlimFlamMan | can someone refresh me on multiple ip addresses on a single ethernet card? i have the config files set up but i think i might have to do something with routing...? |
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| 07:12.50 | ircdevil | sussudio: s/flode/fløde/ |
| 07:12.58 | sussudio | FlimFlamMan: google for ip aliasing howto |
| 07:13.16 | g4lt | better yet, ibiblio for it |
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| 07:18.05 | FlimFlamMan | thx |
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| 07:23.04 | Sciboy | *sigh* |
| 07:23.07 | VoX | is rp-pppoe available as a .deb? |
| 07:23.15 | sussudio | !tell VoX about pppoe |
| 07:23.32 | FlimFlamMan | on apache2, i'm trying to set up ssl on a second virtual host. each host has its own ip address. i'm getting this error message: [warn] VirtualHost 12.13.14.15:443 overlaps with VirtualHost 12:13:14:15:0, the first has precedence, perhaps you need a NameVirtualHost directive. -- same IP different port |
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| 07:23.48 | tiger1020x | hello all |
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| 07:24.04 | sussudio | ^batSHEba: could you be spaaaaaaam |
| 07:24.20 | js | FlimFlamMan: #apache |
| 07:24.47 | g4lt | sussudio no, worse, he's AOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
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| 07:24.57 | sussudio | g4lt: nope, spam |
| 07:24.58 | FlimFlamMan | js: my experience has been that responses are pretty slow to sometimes nonexistent there :-( |
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| 07:25.00 | bob2 | FlimFlamMan: you're running a virtual host on port 80? |
| 07:25.14 | sussudio | g4lt: i can spot them for miles |
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| 07:25.37 | bob2 | was it a spambot? |
| 07:25.39 | FlimFlamMan | bob2: i actually had two virtuals on 80 already, i'm adding a third and trying to get ssl to work on all now... |
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| 07:25.45 | sussudio | bob2: oh yeah. about the 15th today |
| 07:25.47 | FlimFlamMan | (so that's three ip's total) |
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| 07:26.00 | sussudio | bob2: i think it was already klined |
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| 07:26.04 | bob2 | ah |
| 07:26.11 | SpAc | why doesn postfix keep adding my default domain to the end of my alias maps. I am mapping something ot a program but it keep son putting @domain.com at the end, causing to fail! :S |
| 07:26.21 | bob2 | it *really* bothers me that their programmed to not /msg me |
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| 07:26.27 | Guerin | spac: #postfix |
| 07:26.41 | sussudio | bob2: you don't have +E set, then? |
| 07:26.42 | SpAc | Guerin: you think its easy getting help in there? |
| 07:26.50 | VoX | what is the name of the ncurses package? |
| 07:26.59 | bob2 | sussudio: oh, damn |
| 07:27.00 | sussudio | !tell VoX about search |
| 07:27.03 | bob2 | sussudio: I thought I turned it off |
| 07:27.09 | jm_ | bob2: they ph33r j00! |
| 07:27.15 | Guerin | spac: yeah, it's not that hard. Just be patient. I'm in there, but I'm busy. |
| 07:27.18 | bob2 | jm_: no, I'm just too stupid to get spammed |
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| 07:27.38 | SpAc | Guerin: is my question making sense? |
| 07:27.45 | bob2 | FlimFlamMan: the log thinsk two of them are on the sam IP, one on port 0 |
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| 07:27.47 | jm_ | ahh it knows both +e and +E, lower case is identified or somesuch |
| 07:27.54 | g4lt | bob2 how can that be, and are you giving lessons? |
| 07:28.07 | bob2 | g4lt: step 1) drop yourself on your head |
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| 07:28.13 | bob2 | g4lt: step 2) /j #debian |
| 07:28.23 | bob2 | g4lt: step 3) PROPHIT! |
| 07:28.27 | VoX | ok, which is the one i want to install so i can conf my kernel? |
| 07:28.39 | bob2 | VoX: libncurses5-dev |
| 07:28.45 | bob2 | VoX: which is in the channel faq |
| 07:28.47 | g4lt | bob2 ahh, then it won't help. step 1 kind of imples non-basaltic head... |
| 07:28.53 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 07:29.11 | bob2 | this song rocks. "snakecharmer" by Pete Namlook. |
| 07:29.17 | bob2 | in a very gentle way, of course. |
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| 07:29.31 | jmob | VoX, maybe kpackage too? |
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| 07:29.50 | jmob | err not kpackage |
| 07:30.31 | FlimFlamMan | bob2: thanks - that tipped me off - needed to specify port for non-ssl (as in <hostname>:80 ) |
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| 07:30.43 | bob2 | FlimFlamMan: ah, makes sense |
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| 07:31.25 | SpAc | Guerin: Ok... I'll wait patiently :D |
| 07:31.43 | jmob | kernel-package is what I meant |
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| 07:32.12 | steve | if i do apt-get install kernel-image*, does that install the new kernel all by itself? i dont need to config it or anything? |
| 07:32.30 | jm_ | steve: apt-cache show kernel-image*, and read the FAQ |
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| 07:37.09 | andy | hello, evolution broke in sid? |
| 07:37.32 | g4lt | when is evolution NOT broken? |
| 07:37.48 | andy | 2 days ago ;) |
| 07:37.59 | herbi | andy, it isnt broken here, but its 3 days till my next weekly upgrade |
| 07:38.06 | zignig | andy: install the old package again ? |
| 07:38.13 | andy | oh herbi: if you use it, don't upgrade :) |
| 07:38.39 | andy | zignig: it's not critical, just playing around, so it's ok i can wait till it's fixed :) |
| 07:38.53 | jo | Hi I have some problems to install Kada can anyone help me? |
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| 07:39.22 | mdh | andy: gnome is in the process of being upgraded to 2.6 in sid, hence expect any/all gnome apps to break |
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| 07:39.43 | g4lt | mdh aren't they already broken? ;P |
| 07:40.02 | mdh | g4lt: well yes, some are by default and others by design ;) |
| 07:40.13 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - gnome is not essentially bad. for example, what DM are you using? |
| 07:40.31 | mdh | Hyp3rion: I DM my own RPG's |
| 07:40.31 | kerpal | i like kde personally. |
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| 07:40.51 | g4lt | Hyp3rion on locutus? absolutely none. It took a user request to even get X on her |
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| 07:41.09 | cheechee1 | I know this is off topic, but has anyone read a book on open source efficiency? |
| 07:41.23 | kerpal | cheechee1 off topic and a survey |
| 07:41.24 | Hyp3rion | mdh - i tryed MMORPG on PlaneShift but i couldnt get it compile, could you? |
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| 07:41.28 | kerpal | !survey cheechee1 |
| 07:41.35 | herbi | andy, i upgrade every friday or saturday night, rain hail or shine |
| 07:41.46 | herbi | if it breaks, ill use something else. all my mail is IMAP anyway |
| 07:41.57 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - i see :-) locotus? |
| 07:41.59 | andy | good idea :) |
| 07:42.04 | andy | imap that is |
| 07:42.06 | cheechee1 | kerpal: so where could I go to get some help? |
| 07:42.21 | herbi | andy, imap + evolution + squirrelmail = ultimate combo if you are running your own mailserve |
| 07:42.37 | herbi | squirrelmail for when youre on the run, evolution for when youre at home |
| 07:42.45 | mdh | cheechee1: http://www.google.com/search?q=open+source+efficiency+book |
| 07:43.02 | kerpal | cheechee1: i dunno, im just giving you shit. I would like to know the answer to your question, but i know it is likely unlikely any of us have read such books. |
| 07:43.04 | cheechee1 | mdh: oh |
| 07:43.16 | cheechee1 | kerpal: mdh alright, thanks |
| 07:43.27 | andy | reboot :) |
| 07:43.33 | mdh | I've never heard of a book on open source efficiency |
| 07:43.52 | Hyp3rion | mdh - slashdot? |
| 07:44.00 | Hyp3rion | it was a top story i think :-/ |
| 07:44.27 | echo | anyone know how LONG we should be patient about the KDE, CUPS, GNOME sid issue? |
| 07:44.48 | kerpal | Any book one would find with either be A. From microsoft press detailing the horror of the effort. Or B. From a linux guro who tells you clicking the mouse is much more ineffcient than writing your own for loops in bash. |
| 07:44.57 | mdh | slashdot is more like an online book of 16-yr-old egos and ostracism |
| 07:44.59 | echo | I'm impatient about being patient. |
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| 07:45.09 | zignig | echo: put the code hours in then, code away ..... |
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| 07:45.13 | mdh | echo: so start fixing the bugs |
| 07:45.16 | echo | heh |
| 07:45.18 | Hyp3rion | ~wb tarzeau |
| 07:45.22 | g4lt | !wir |
| 07:45.22 | dpkg | When It's Ready, see also RSN |
| 07:45.36 | echo | !rsn |
| 07:45.36 | dpkg | well, rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 07:45.45 | echo | !siyh |
| 07:45.45 | dpkg | well, siyh is Sooner If You Help, or see "wir" and "rsn" |
| 07:45.50 | echo | heh |
| 07:46.00 | mdh | kerpal: there's essays like the much-touted "cathedral and the bazaar" |
| 07:46.18 | mdh | (and esr would be writing for loops in python not bash ;) |
| 07:46.35 | echo | So, what is the crux of the problem.. seems it's the libcupsys problem... |
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| 07:46.51 | WorkerII | If anyone here? Is it impossible to correct a link on the ~/Desktop, save editing it manually with an editor, or recreating it?!?? |
| 07:46.55 | WorkerII | I'm using GNOME 2.6 |
| 07:47.35 | kerpal | The problem with computers in general is that they are not mean to be user friendly, they require a brain. If thats not true why does phishing exist? |
| 07:47.48 | mdh | nobody uses gnome 2.6, gnome 2.6 uses you |
| 07:47.58 | Hyp3rion | WorkerII - editing a link? man ln |
| 07:48.31 | g4lt | in soviet russia gnome uses you |
| 07:48.37 | mdh | Hyp3rion: desktop links in gnome are files in Windoze win.ini format, not real Unix links |
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| 07:48.45 | herbi | g4lt, in soviet russia, you use gnome 2.6 :P |
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| 07:48.58 | tarzeau | mdh: oh they suck badly then |
| 07:49.07 | tarzeau | mdh: is GNOME = WINDOWS? |
| 07:49.14 | herbi | tarzeau, thats a stupid comment |
| 07:49.23 | chlunde | Is there a mirror of potato up somewhere? None of the mirrors on http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive have it. |
| 07:49.25 | mdh | tarzeau: not yet, redhat don't have enough programmers to keep up with M$ |
| 07:49.25 | Hyp3rion | g4lt - in soviet russia you use windows longhorn2 purchased for 0.5 rubels at the market on the corner. |
| 07:49.31 | herbi | they arent real unix links, because people want things like icon support and tooltips for their desktop icons |
| 07:49.48 | jm_ | chlunde: archive.debian.org if it works |
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| 07:49.52 | herbi | not a blank square that says "Mozilla" underneath it |
| 07:49.54 | kuru | what's a nice simple sniffint too? |
| 07:49.59 | Hyp3rion | mdh - bah, never _really_ used gnome... but gdm IS nice! |
| 07:50.01 | Shadur | kuru: tcpdump |
| 07:50.17 | kerpal | suse may end up killing windows if that group in the phillipines actually has a windows subsystem. |
| 07:50.18 | sussudio | !tell kuru about search |
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| 07:50.46 | kerpal | between yast and a windows subsystem if they had a package manager close to apt-get i will be #suse |
| 07:50.59 | mdh | the unix desktop was already miles ahead of windows, now thanks to KDE and GNOME good programmers are wasted in a pointless catch-up game |
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| 07:51.24 | zignig | mdh: I agree , I don't see why they are tryingto emulate the windows desktop all the time. |
| 07:51.36 | kerpal | what is the diff between gnome and kde? |
| 07:51.40 | ardy | whats the linux command to test disk speed.. etc |
| 07:51.52 | herbi | ardy, man hdparm for test |
| 07:51.57 | Hyp3rion | hdparm mongo bonnie |
| 07:52.00 | g4lt | kerpal the mass dose of psychedelics you need to use gnome |
| 07:52.12 | herbi | zignig, you cant see why people who are designing something for the enduser would want to make something that the enduser wants? |
| 07:52.15 | mdh | zignig: at least one of the redhat bosses is wined & dined by microsoft and thinks its the greatest |
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| 07:52.32 | herbi | enduser wants familiarity |
| 07:52.34 | kerpal | i think gnome is ugly. but i see so many addicts. |
| 07:52.39 | mdh | herbi: the end user doesn't want windows. |
| 07:52.45 | herbi | mdh, i never said they did. |
| 07:53.07 | echo | KDE seems to imitate MacOS X as much as Windows. |
| 07:53.07 | Hyp3rion | echo - LOL |
| 07:53.14 | echo | which IMHO is a better thing to imitate, if imitation is the game. |
| 07:53.32 | mdh | echo: apt-get install wmaker gnustep |
| 07:53.37 | kerpal | redhat being dined by m$, whoa how does that work? |
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| 07:53.54 | echo | mdh: nah... apt-get install fluxbox if I want minimalism |
| 07:53.57 | herbi | i give this 5 more minutes before it degrades to a kde vs. gnome/anti-ms conspiracy discussion |
| 07:54.00 | kerpal | I would actually support windows if it used the linux kernal and had bash :) |
| 07:54.20 | ardy | herbi: is hdparm for ide drives only? |
| 07:54.25 | Hyp3rion | echo - did you know, for example FVWM2 can emulate MacOSX Aqua or WinXP Silver too? http://google.com/search?q=FVWM MaxOSX |
| 07:54.27 | herbi | ardy, i think so |
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| 07:54.38 | jm_ | ardy: don't use hdparm, use bonnie instead |
| 07:54.44 | ardy | herbi: is there one for scsi raids? |
| 07:54.47 | mdh | echo: er, minimalism? I'm referring to emulating macosx (aka nextstep ;) |
| 07:54.49 | echo | Hyp3rion: um. yes :P |
| 07:55.08 | echo | mdh: MacOSX has diverged quite a bit from NeXT |
| 07:55.27 | herbi | ardy, having no experience with scsi raid under linux (solaris, yes) i cant say off the top of my head.. |
| 07:55.38 | Hyp3rion | mdh - gnustep for macosx imitation? thats nextstep nope? |
| 07:55.55 | herbi | Hyp3rion, youre treading dangerous ground :P |
| 07:55.57 | herbi | dont start a war |
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| 07:56.03 | Hyp3rion | macosx != nextstep 8-o |
| 07:56.18 | ardy | jm_: does bonnie work with scsi raids? |
| 07:56.20 | mdh | echo: not really. BSD kernel instead of mach, a few UI fluff "improvements" which you'd hope to expect in any case |
| 07:56.21 | Hyp3rion | herbi - okay i prefer amiga4 anyways :-/ |
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| 07:56.44 | jm_ | ardy: apt-cache show bonnie++ |
| 07:56.44 | echo | twm 0wnz j00 allll!! |
| 07:56.54 | mdh | !start a wm flamewar |
| 07:56.59 | echo | mdh: just a few? um.. I'd say QUITE a few. |
| 07:57.25 | echo | mdh: like desktop icons... and the univeral menu bar like all macs have... |
| 07:57.30 | WorkerII | Hyp3rion : Not that kinda link .. a link created with rightclick on gnome desktop. |
| 07:57.48 | Hyp3rion | WorkerII - lol |
| 07:57.57 | Hyp3rion | WorkerII - sorry i never seen that illness :-/ |
| 07:58.00 | echo | the "wharf/dock" works similarly, but not exactly. |
| 07:58.10 | Hyp3rion | WorkerII - #gnome might help more :-/ |
| 07:58.13 | Shorty` | question, with pptpd can you specify the remote and local ips for incomming connections (ie, have a different one per connection) |
| 07:58.29 | Hyp3rion | echo - it's called fiend in gnustep |
| 07:58.35 | echo | fiend? |
| 07:58.41 | Caveman- | anyone know a program or a way to log all openned programs ? |
| 07:58.48 | Hyp3rion | echo - strange but yup. i always wondered |
| 07:58.51 | echo | don't know that one. |
| 07:58.52 | ardy | how di I install kde and X11 |
| 07:58.56 | ardy | *do |
| 07:59.00 | bob2 | "log" "all opened programs"? |
| 07:59.06 | Hyp3rion | echo - but it's how the orignial nextstep called it :-/ |
| 07:59.08 | bob2 | define your question better |
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| 07:59.13 | echo | I never could figure out what to do with the paper clip thing in wmaker ;) |
| 07:59.17 | jm_ | ardy: read apt-get tutorial |
| 07:59.22 | bob2 | ardy: install the "kde" and the "x-window-system" packages. |
| 07:59.31 | Hyp3rion | Caveman- bsd process accounting |
| 07:59.32 | echo | besides try to move it out of my way |
| 07:59.44 | Hyp3rion | Caveman- needs kernel support and userspace as well... |
| 07:59.56 | echo | http://thebucket.org/echo/macosx-running.jpg |
| 07:59.57 | echo | heh |
| 08:00.06 | DrPete | I have a DNS question. I want to deligate more than 1 domain to my DNS server, but I about the SOA. do you still use eg ns1.mydomain.com etc on the first line? |
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| 08:00.24 | ardy | jm_ bob2: I have and when I do I get a crazy dependency loop |
| 08:00.24 | Hyp3rion | echo - wow |
| 08:00.25 | mdh | echo: fiend was a plugin to the original nextstep finder |
| 08:00.26 | Hyp3rion | echo - wait |
| 08:00.38 | Hyp3rion | echo - drag miniicons near the clip and see wonder! |
| 08:00.41 | bob2 | DrPete: whatever you call your primary dns server for that domain. |
| 08:00.46 | bob2 | ardy: then you've fucked something up |
| 08:00.49 | peterS | echo off |
| 08:00.52 | bob2 | ardy: it's installable in woody. |
| 08:00.55 | Caveman- | Hyp3rion: thankyou. |
| 08:00.56 | jm_ | @echo off ;) |
| 08:00.58 | Caveman- | I will look it uo |
| 08:00.59 | Caveman- | up |
| 08:00.59 | ravenbird | off ;) |
| 08:01.07 | bob2 | ardy: if you're using something other than woody, then you need to say off. |
| 08:01.07 | Hyp3rion | ravenbird - bye! |
| 08:01.07 | bob2 | s/off/so/ |
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| 08:01.08 | WorkerII | bob2! You know everything! :) (Well, almost) :) |
| 08:01.08 | ravenbird | Hyp3rion: i haven't a clue |
| 08:01.20 | debian | ravenbird shutdown |
| 08:01.20 | ravenbird | debian: wish i knew |
| 08:01.24 | bob2 | I do know I need to get the fuck out of here. |
| 08:01.25 | bob2 | adios. |
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| 08:01.33 | WorkerII | Hyp3rion : #Gnome is sleeping. |
| 08:01.36 | echo | Hyp3rion: what wonder am I supposed to see? |
| 08:01.39 | WorkerII | bob2: Ok .. was nice seeing you. |
| 08:01.40 | g4lt | bah, sleep, she is for the weak |
| 08:01.43 | ardy | bob2: off what do you mean? apt-get ... off? |
| 08:01.59 | jm_ | talk about people being confused |
| 08:02.01 | debian | WorkerII: try #kde then |
| 08:02.05 | peterS | WorkerII: #gnome? I thought gnome people normally used irc.gnome.org |
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| 08:02.07 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 08:02.14 | echo | oh wow, drop shadows are back on windows in kde. |
| 08:02.23 | debian | SlayerXP: this is afternoon you incentive clod. :) |
| 08:02.29 | WorkerII | peterS : Well .. I dunno that server --- is it on freenode? |
| 08:02.47 | SlayerXP | debian: you mean incentive, or insensitive? |
| 08:02.52 | zignig | debian: its evening you gimboid ! |
| 08:02.53 | g4lt | what the hell is an "incentive clod", is that a clod with benefits? |
| 08:02.55 | mdh | echo: I found windowmaker's clip very useful... create a workspace-specific dock that you can hide/unhide on a toggle-based keystroke |
| 08:03.15 | WorkerII | debian : I don't have the time, I'll give up and delete the link, then recreat it. |
| 08:03.27 | mdh | of course, I'm somewhat biased when it comes to windowmaker (former developer) |
| 08:03.28 | debian | SlayerXP: this must still be morning in me :) |
| 08:03.34 | echo | mdh: I'm not sure what I was suppossed to use the silly thing for. |
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| 08:03.49 | WorkerII | debian : And cursing a bit over GNOME still being behind its earlier versions. |
| 08:03.57 | DrPete | bob2: I want a few domains on the one server, do I just use the FQDN of the main server? |
| 08:04.14 | zignig | DrPete: yes , or the ip |
| 08:04.27 | zignig | DrPete: look at 'virtual hosts' on the apache.org site. |
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| 08:05.15 | DrPete | zignig: ok, and this is on the first SOA line of the file |
| 08:05.41 | echo | well.. time for bed. |
| 08:05.44 | echo | *yawn* |
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| 08:09.12 | clusty | I have a relly silly question. how do I start gnome instead of KDE as window manager (I added to .xinitrc startkde). What is the gnome start script? |
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| 08:09.43 | Hyp3rion | gnome-session |
| 08:09.43 | zignig | clusty: man update-alternatives |
| 08:09.45 | Hyp3rion | maybe |
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| 08:11.59 | clusty | zignig: and how could that help me. It's just an update script. I wanted to do it myself, i remember it was about changing some symlink |
| 08:12.09 | mdh | echo: its identical to the dock, except you can position it anywhere on the desktop, and its docked appicons are workspace-specific |
| 08:12.26 | Hyp3rion | /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager |
| 08:12.32 | Hyp3rion | or x-window-manager |
| 08:12.37 | zignig | clusty: thats what update-alternatives does :) |
| 08:12.47 | Hyp3rion | clusty - but try update-alternatives! |
| 08:12.51 | mdh | echo: plus, you can run windowmaker without it or without the dock or without either ;) |
| 08:12.57 | clusty | ok thanks |
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| 08:13.02 | jm_ | and you shouldn't be using .xinitrc |
| 08:13.26 | tarzeau | you should take a look at GNUstep if you like Window Maker |
| 08:14.31 | Hyp3rion | clumsty - use .xsession |
| 08:14.34 | Hyp3rion | bah quit |
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| 08:17.28 | angeles | is there a source that provides an xirsso deb package? |
| 08:17.38 | angeles | s/xirsso/xirssi/ |
| 08:17.54 | streuner_ | !tell angeles about search |
| 08:17.54 | jm_ | woody has irssi-gtk package but I think it has been deprecated later on |
| 08:18.21 | angeles | yeah so i found out |
| 08:18.43 | steve | To employ secondary boot loaders such as grub or loadlin, copy this image to other locations (e.g., to /boot/grub or to an MS-DOS partition). <---- does that just mean copy the custom kernel image to /boot/grub ? do i have to do anything else ? |
| 08:19.06 | jm_ | no |
| 08:19.44 | dnc | hi all, someone can point me to some documentation on how configure startup-notification for gnome? i've looked in google (web and newsgroup) but i've found nothing useful... |
| 08:20.02 | steve | jm_: so there will be one image in /boot and one in /boot/grub too? |
| 08:20.17 | jm_ | steve: one place is enough |
| 08:20.54 | mdh | steve: if you're booting with grub. the kernel image can be wherever you like (so long as grub has a fs driver for that location ;) |
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| 08:21.34 | kreg | got tons of these on my network. anyway to drop them? i'm assuming they need not be active. 192.168.0.65 -> Broadcast ARP Who has 192.168.0.1? Tell 192.168.0.65 |
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| 08:21.40 | mdh | steve: check debian's README.Debian for grub on how to configure kernel-package to automatically update your grub menu.lst when you install a new kernel image |
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| 08:22.31 | Tino | I just want to say that I love the debian testing netinst on a usb key |
| 08:23.04 | Hyp3rion | kreg - arptables |
| 08:23.10 | g4lt | I just want to say that it needs salt. too bland for me |
| 08:23.11 | Hyp3rion | kreg - also needs kernel support |
| 08:23.24 | steve | mdh: so menu.lst is the same as grub.conf? |
| 08:23.34 | kreg | arptables, that somekind of iptables cousin? |
| 08:23.36 | jm_ | stew: no, grub.conf is some stupidity invented by redhat and suse |
| 08:23.52 | steve | ok |
| 08:23.58 | zignig | Tino: work well ? |
| 08:24.02 | jm_ | it's a symlink to menu.lst |
| 08:24.33 | Hyp3rion | kreg - yes? |
| 08:24.49 | kreg | Hyp3rion, never used it before. only iptables |
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| 08:25.26 | steve | jm_: thanks |
| 08:25.27 | Hyp3rion | kreg - its equally easy. but needs the kernel module! |
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| 08:27.02 | Tino | zignig : yeah work pretty well |
| 08:27.04 | debian | hmm |
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| 08:27.12 | krystal2 | where can i find freenode gods ? |
| 08:27.30 | cafuego | opers, you mean? |
| 08:27.35 | cafuego | #freenode generally |
| 08:27.38 | Tino | zignig apart from a freeze at config of firewire port |
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| 08:27.50 | cafuego | krystal2: or /msg lilo bite me, satan |
| 08:28.02 | debian | hmm |
| 08:28.21 | Hyp3rion | krystal2 - #freenode-staff |
| 08:28.29 | Hyp3rion | ;-) |
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| 08:29.15 | Hyp3rion | krystal2 - oh and you have no voice :-/ |
| 08:29.34 | Hyp3rion | krystal2 - what do you want to ask? |
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| 08:33.06 | Maddas | Hi. I've got a Debian machine that has no internet access that I have to install Java on, what would be the easiest way to get it done? I couldn't find any Java .debs that don't just connect to the internet to get it :-) |
| 08:33.36 | ambiguous | Hey Guys, I think NonAggression sends automatically messages to all nicks, who joins this channel. The content of this message is: "Free Porn". I also think, that's an Bot... |
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| 08:34.01 | zignig | ambiguous: there was two of them yesterday..... |
| 08:34.04 | ambiguous | Maddas: burn it on CD... |
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| 08:34.21 | SlayerXP | no spam here |
| 08:34.22 | Maddas | Cool, thanks debian and `Butthead |
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| 08:34.49 | jm_ | Maddas: err they are on blackdown mirror sites |
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| 08:35.01 | Maddas | Thanks, I didn't look there :-) |
| 08:35.05 | Maddas | (I just googled a bit) |
| 08:35.07 | ambiguous | Why the Chanserv doesn't except NonAgression? |
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| 08:35.44 | cafuego | !kill ambiguous |
| 08:35.45 | ircdevil | say, i issue a cvs co, and it says: cvs server: Updating htdocs/gfx -> however, htdocs directory is not generated? permissions are 777 on the target dir |
| 08:35.59 | cuc0 | Maddas: deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./ |
| 08:36.03 | jm_ | ircdevil: try cvs -d co |
| 08:36.30 | debian | don't play /cycle |
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| 08:36.37 | Hyp3rion | this NonAggressoin doesnt msg me anything :-/ |
| 08:36.52 | Hyp3rion | meh |
| 08:36.54 | ambiguous | cafuego: what do you want? |
| 08:36.55 | Maddas | Nothing to me either |
| 08:37.01 | ambiguous | but me... |
| 08:37.07 | Hyp3rion | krystal2 - it seems you dont have luck |
| 08:37.10 | Maddas | cuc0: Cool, thanks |
| 08:37.14 | ambiguous | !kill cafuego |
| 08:37.15 | jm_ | ircdevil: wait, that's a switch for update - it won't work like that |
| 08:37.15 | Hyp3rion | krystal2 - no staff awake |
| 08:37.16 | ircdevil | jm_ oh, i am: cvs -d :pserver:cvsuser@cvsro.sanger.ac.uk:/cvsroot/CVSmaster checkout -r branch-ensembl-21 ensembl-web |
| 08:37.16 | g4lt | prolly looks for mirc users ;P |
| 08:37.23 | krystal2 | Hyp3rion: ok. |
| 08:37.26 | Hyp3rion | krystal2 - what did you want to ask? |
| 08:37.39 | g4lt | !alicekill ambiguous |
| 08:37.40 | krystal2 | pv |
| 08:38.04 | ambiguous | lol |
| 08:38.14 | ambiguous | crazy typs... |
| 08:38.18 | ambiguous | :D |
| 08:38.27 | Maddas | Wow, Sun's licensing thing is, uh, evil |
| 08:38.41 | ircdevil | jm_ oooh, it do download, but to the cvs-root and not the current dir ...? |
| 08:39.01 | jm_ | ircdevil: I can't even login to that CVS server |
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| 08:39.26 | Blackmad | is kword broken in unstable? |
| 08:39.35 | ircdevil | jm_ login paswd is CVSUSER |
| 08:39.39 | Blackmad | I keep getting this error: kword: relocation error: /usr/lib/kde3/libkwordpart.so: undefined symbol: _ZN14KoBgSpellCheck15setKSpellConfigERK13KOSpellConfig |
| 08:39.44 | VoX | how do i add bash scripts into init.d so they are run at boot time? |
| 08:40.03 | ircdevil | update-rc |
| 08:40.13 | VoX | thats the one |
| 08:40.15 | VoX | danke |
| 08:40.19 | debian | Blackmad: anybody use kword? :) |
| 08:40.24 | mufa | if I made a kernel debian-way, but I forget to add some modules, how should I proceed? |
| 08:40.40 | g4lt | Blackmad you should be using kvim anyways ;P |
| 08:40.48 | Blackmad | right |
| 08:40.52 | Blackmad | now I see the error of my ways |
| 08:40.59 | ambiguous | all with k... is ... :P |
| 08:41.12 | g4lt | vim is god's own editor |
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| 08:41.26 | jm_ | ircdevil: I think the fact that you're using -r is bothering it |
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| 08:42.01 | g4lt | good god, talk about DNS spam.... |
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| 08:43.04 | mish | I've searched but I'm having no luck, I remember that way back one of the 'box' window managers (flux, open, black) had "Notification Area/System Tray" support, does anyone know which one? |
| 08:43.37 | g4lt | nextbox |
| 08:44.11 | nabuku | hi, can anyone tell me which is newer libcupsys2-gnutls10 = 1.1.20final-1 or 1.1.20final+cvs20040330-4? |
| 08:44.29 | g4lt | nabuku dpkg --compare-versions |
| 08:44.32 | jm_ | nabuku: dpkg can tell you |
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| 08:45.10 | mufa | hi, can anyone tell me what do I have to do in order to add ati modules to a kernel-image ? |
| 08:45.13 | nabuku | g4lt: I'm trying to upgrade to gnome 2.6 on sid and it wants 1.1.20final-1 only it's nowhere to be found |
| 08:45.32 | VoX | so run levels 1-5 are used at boot time, and 6 is used when shutting down? |
| 08:45.37 | mufa | I mean what is the procedure to add some external modules to a kernel-image ? |
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| 08:46.03 | jm_ | VoX: read README.runlevels.gz |
| 08:46.04 | chady | mufa: to a .deb kernel-image? or to a running kernel |
| 08:46.15 | g4lt | nabuku and telling you a>b helps in an a=b logic test precisely how? |
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| 08:46.29 | rnoooooo | Hello, I use screen it's realy powerfull, there is "screen" for X aplication? |
| 08:46.29 | mufa | chady: to a running kernel |
| 08:46.38 | mish | g4lt: Was that 'nextbox' comment a joke? |
| 08:46.44 | chady | have you compiled the ATI module? |
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| 08:46.50 | Maddas | rnoooooo: I don't know of anything that really is like screen |
| 08:46.51 | g4lt | mish yes, unfortunately :/ |
| 08:46.54 | Jymmm | what file needs to be edited to add a ip in the same subnet? |
| 08:46.56 | Hyp3rion | rnoooooo - ratpoison? |
| 08:46.58 | jm_ | rnoooooo: no, have a look at this : http://www.edu.uni-klu.ac.at/~mkropfbe/xray.html and http://xfree86.desiato.de/xfree86/pipermail/xpert/2000-July/000163.html |
| 08:47.03 | mufa | chady: yes |
| 08:47.07 | Hyp3rion | !+info ratpoison |
| 08:47.07 | nabuku | g4lt: sorry, didn't understand that... |
| 08:47.13 | dpkg | ratpoison: (Simple window manager with no fat library dependencies.), section x11, is extra. Version: 1.2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 220 kB |
| 08:47.15 | Maddas | jm_: Cool |
| 08:47.31 | Vinland | when I do an ifconfig, I get a value for mtu ...what exactly is this? |
| 08:47.35 | rnoooooo | hum |
| 08:47.35 | chady | install it, and then issue a modprobe <modulename> |
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| 08:47.42 | nabuku | g4lt: maybe my apt is being weird... |
| 08:48.02 | g4lt | nabuku it's asking for version=1.1.20final-1, not version>1.1.20final-1 |
| 08:48.05 | jm_ | Vinland: man ifconfig |
| 08:48.15 | sunyb | hi, a simple problem. why not any response when I list contents of a tar file with " tar -t foo.tar"? |
| 08:48.23 | chady | is it the fglrx module? |
| 08:48.34 | mufa | chady: yes, fglrx module |
| 08:48.37 | Jymmm | what file needs to be edited to add a ip? |
| 08:48.38 | nabuku | g4lt: sorry, it asks for =>1.1.20final-1 |
| 08:48.42 | jm_ | sunyb: because that is not how one uses tar |
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| 08:49.01 | nabuku | g4lt: so I wanted to know if my apt is miscalculating versions |
| 08:49.02 | zignig | Jymmm: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:49.03 | ardy | how do you force an install aith apt-get |
| 08:49.08 | Jymmm | zignig: ty |
| 08:49.09 | g4lt | nabuku then why did you ask for the exact opposite? |
| 08:49.30 | zignig | Jymmm: man interfaces gives you some docs |
| 08:49.31 | nabuku | g4lt: my mistake |
| 08:49.52 | chady | mufa: go to /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod and run sh make.sh |
| 08:49.53 | mdh | mish: openbox is your friend |
| 08:50.03 | g4lt | nabuku eitehr way, dpkg --compare versions will work |
| 08:50.11 | chady | then go up one directory and run sh make_install.sh |
| 08:50.14 | mish | mdh: Cool, so openbox has a notification area? |
| 08:50.18 | nabuku | g4lt: ok, I'll try it, thanx |
| 08:50.23 | sunyb | jm_: what command should i use to list the contents of a tar file? |
| 08:50.31 | jm_ | sunyb: did you read tar docs ? |
| 08:50.34 | chady | the supplied script will install it for you |
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| 08:51.00 | mdh | mish: v3 has a dock which is meant to work, with v2 you need an extra app (also in debian) called 'docker'. I'm using docker with v3 myself (since I found the default dock doesn't quite work ;) |
| 08:51.13 | sunyb | I use "tar -t foo.tar", but it does not work! |
| 08:51.22 | mufa | chady: this is what I did. I grabbed kernel-source-2.4.26.deb, fglrx-kernel-src.deb, I installed them, then I configured kernel and run make-kpkg kernel-image modules_image |
| 08:51.24 | g4lt | good god, how much bother could be saved by people if they LISTENED TO ME THE FIRST FUCKING TIME |
| 08:51.25 | jm_ | I told you that's now how you use tar |
| 08:51.31 | mdh | sunyb: tar -tf |
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| 08:52.02 | mdh | sunyb: tar the the Tape ARchiver, hence it defaults to reading/writing tapes, not files |
| 08:52.07 | mufa | chady: I booted the new kernel and modprobe fglrx loaded fine ati module |
| 08:52.07 | mdh | s/the/is/ |
| 08:52.08 | sunyb | mdh: ok ,it works, thanks! |
| 08:52.08 | _benj_`_ | does anyone know how to send mail with mutt without having any prompt line ? |
| 08:52.21 | Jymmm | zignig: Could I give it a range in one shot? |
| 08:52.21 | chady | so? |
| 08:52.34 | chady | what exactly are you asking for? :) |
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| 08:52.44 | Vinland | what should my mtu be set at? |
| 08:52.48 | mufa | chady: I modified XF86Config-4 to load fglrx at driver, but startx said cannot find fglrx module |
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| 08:52.57 | cuc0 | Vinland: leave it at default |
| 08:53.02 | Jymmm | Vinland: are you running PPPoE ? |
| 08:53.09 | Vinland | jymmm - nope |
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| 08:53.23 | Vinland | cuc0 - I changed it, to try and fix a problem |
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| 08:53.23 | Jymmm | Vinland: 1500 is typical |
| 08:53.41 | chady | mufa: lsmod | grep fglrx |
| 08:53.49 | chady | is it loaded? |
| 08:53.50 | _benj_`_ | does anyone know how to send mail with mutt without having any prompt line ? |
| 08:53.50 | mish | mdh: "Obconf" option 'non working' (does nothing) normally, or is something broken in my installation? |
| 08:53.53 | cuc0 | Vinland: you could try lowering it but usually changing MTU causes more mess |
| 08:53.57 | mufa | chady: yes it is |
| 08:54.01 | Vinland | okay thats what I have it set to, before it was set at 16436 |
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| 08:54.19 | g4lt | _benj_`_ do you think the answer is going to change in five minutes? |
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| 08:54.33 | chady | are you using the proprietary driver from ATI's website? |
| 08:54.36 | Vinland | cuc0- before it was 16436 and I changed it to 1500, should I change it back? |
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| 08:54.47 | _benj_`_ | g4lt, no, sure |
| 08:55.03 | mufa | chady: I am using drivers made by this guy: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 08:55.05 | cuc0 | Vinland: i don't think so.. what line are you on? ethernet/wifi/... ? |
| 08:55.09 | mdh | mish: apt-get install obconf :) |
| 08:55.16 | g4lt | _benj_`_ then why did you ask twice within that time frame? |
| 08:55.19 | Vinland | ethernet |
| 08:55.35 | mufa | chady: so the answer is yes, I am using drivers from ati site |
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| 08:55.42 | cuc0 | Vinland: then leave it at 1500 |
| 08:55.50 | Vinland | okay |
| 08:55.55 | mish | mdh: Ever feel like you're too stupid to own a computer. ;) |
| 08:55.56 | mdh | mish: (its only a suggest, not a requirement, hence won't be installed by default along with openbox unless you specifically request it or use 'installs' instead of 'install') |
| 08:56.00 | _benj_`_ | g4lt, maybe i think that no one have seen my question |
| 08:56.03 | Vinland | why was it set so high before...I wonder |
| 08:56.20 | mdh | mish: no, I've personally never felt that way ;) |
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| 08:56.46 | g4lt | _benj_`_ maybe you pissed off whoever has the answer to your question |
| 08:56.59 | Vinland | cuc0 - you seem to really know your stuff, you should take a look at my full scale problem here http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=128531 , if you got time. |
| 08:57.00 | mdh | mish: though I have embarrassed myself at times... |
| 08:57.17 | _benj_`_ | g4lt, sure not, but i don't know why you're so agressive :/ |
| 08:57.32 | g4lt | !g4lt |
| 08:57.33 | dpkg | well, g4lt is just this guy you see. Mr. Congeniality, or prone to typos. he can translate from typoese if asked though, or <helix> peterS: g4lt is just mean |
| 08:57.33 | chady | mufa: I got the RPM from ati.com and used alien to convert it to a deb package. |
| 08:57.56 | chady | mufa: so I haven't tried that way to know what's happening, sorry |
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| 08:58.02 | mdh | Vinland: 16384 may make sense on gigE, but probably not on 100baseT |
| 08:58.22 | mish | mdh: I've been writing some pretty cool interactive wml generating perl scripts, it just feels wrong that I'm having issues with something so simple, is the ob taskbar also something you have to install seperately |
| 08:58.24 | g4lt | peterS just had to use helix's comment to you to illustrate why I'm being me ;P |
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| 08:58.34 | peterS | g4lt: oh, ok |
| 08:58.35 | mufa | chady: well, actually I still wanna know 2 things about compiling kernel into debian way |
| 08:58.43 | Vinland | mdh - after I change its to 1500, do I have to restart the appropriate daemon? |
| 08:58.50 | mdh | mish: openbox doesn't have a taskbar (not like blackbox/fluxbox) |
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| 08:59.09 | mufa | If I forget to add some modules, do I have to run again make-kpkg kernel-image ? |
| 08:59.25 | sciboy | What graphical p2p application do you recommend for sampling music? |
| 08:59.26 | mish | mdh: I knew I was missing something, what am I missing that I need to be able to have a notification area with openbox? :) |
| 08:59.42 | chady | mufa: actually I have no idea, I've been wondering that myself :) |
| 09:00.00 | mufa | and how do I add an external module, such as ati, to a kernel-image.deb ? |
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| 09:00.07 | mdh | mish: the dock should automatically run when you launch a relevent app |
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| 09:00.22 | beezly | Vinland: is this using the 3c59x? |
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| 09:00.32 | mdh | mish: (rather, it'll 'just work' since its not a seperate thing to run, its part of openbox itself) |
| 09:00.46 | Vinland | beezly - yes thats the only module that would work with my ethernet card. |
| 09:00.57 | Maddas | grah, Java is annoying. The official thing won't install because it thinks I don't have enough space (I *do* have enough, it just isn't detected properly, but I don't know how to force it to install) |
| 09:01.05 | dnc | mufa: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 09:01.11 | mdh | mish: unfortunately as I was saying earlier, I didn't have a lot of success with it with, say, gaim's notification thing... so I ended up installing 'docker' and launching it as well |
| 09:01.13 | beezly | Vinland: I'm not sure that driver supports jumbo frames (mtu>1500) but I could be wrong |
| 09:01.32 | nabuku | g4lt: this is strange, anyway I compare them (ge, le, gt, lt) I get "1" as a result. it doesn't seem to be able to calculate this... |
| 09:01.50 | mdh | I also discovered docker does not die when the x session does :/ so I had to hack my .xsession to kill any running ones before launching it ;) |
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| 09:02.18 | mufa | dhc: thank you |
| 09:02.19 | chady | mufa: haven't experimented with that, sorry. I'm no guru ;) |
| 09:02.25 | Vinland | beezly- so 1500 is jumbo? pardon my ignorance on this. |
| 09:02.32 | Maddas | oh, it should be easy |
| 09:02.33 | mufa | chady: it's ok, thank you for the help |
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| 09:02.51 | peterS | <quote>When I first started my current job, I promised myself I would never start a sentence with a phrase like "From a QA perspective, it would be better if..." rather than simply saying "The QA group would prefer..." |
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| 09:04.12 | g4lt | nabuku sounds like you have some issues with ver1 and ver2.... |
| 09:04.17 | cuc0 | mufa: no |
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| 09:04.34 | mish | mdh: Cheers for all this, Openbox seems to be what I want, I'm too used to fluxbox however, when I choose the location for the 'dock' all I get is a tiny white box in the location I specify... |
| 09:04.37 | nabuku | g4lt: any idea how I can fix it? |
| 09:04.44 | cuc0 | mufa: just make-kpgk modules_image from /usr/sr/cc/linux |
| 09:05.00 | simonrvn | spell that roperly at least |
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| 09:05.09 | cuc0 | damn |
| 09:05.17 | jm_ | simonrvn: :) |
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| 09:05.19 | g4lt | nabuku literally, PEBCAK |
| 09:05.19 | simonrvn | teehee |
| 09:05.20 | peterS | simonrvn: roper spelling is important |
| 09:05.20 | cuc0 | cd /usr/src/linux; make-kpkg modules_image |
| 09:05.20 | cafuego | yopu scku |
| 09:05.22 | cuc0 | ;) |
| 09:05.25 | mdh | mish: that's the dock. I jsut set it to autohide so if its empty it doens't bug me ;) |
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| 09:06.14 | beezly | Vinland: no, 9000 is normally considered "Jumbo" |
| 09:06.30 | beezly | Vinland: but the original ethernet specs give an mtu of 1500 |
| 09:06.47 | simonrvn | i get my mords wixed tomesimes |
| 09:06.50 | beezly | Vinland: I'm not sure if 3c59x supports mtu > 1500 |
| 09:07.04 | Vinland | beezly - okay thanks, hopefully this fixes my problem |
| 09:07.16 | mish | mdh: Right, what is this 'dock' supposed to do? As cool as this whitebox is, its not really doing anything other than existing as a whitebox. :) |
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| 09:07.29 | Hyp3rion | sorm.wixed.nls |
| 09:07.35 | mdh | simonrvn: /j #debian-lysdexic |
| 09:07.58 | simonrvn | /j #dbiane-dsylexci ? |
| 09:08.09 | g4lt | mdh naw, /j #debain ;) |
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| 09:08.18 | simonrvn | haha |
| 09:08.19 | Hyp3rion | mdh, simonrvn - both are empty :-/ |
| 09:08.27 | mdh | g4lt: I already typed that one and had to correct it ;) |
| 09:09.03 | mdh | mish: it'll automatically be used by anything that can use it. |
| 09:09.15 | simonrvn | mdh: like what for instance? |
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| 09:09.53 | g4lt | simonrvn xmms-dockapp |
| 09:10.00 | simonrvn | nods |
| 09:10.27 | mdh | simonrvn: windowmaker dockapps seem to work fine, gkrellm doesn't neither does gaim's notification plugin :( |
| 09:10.49 | simonrvn | gkrellm used to |
| 09:10.58 | mdh | its *meant* to work for all compliant apps though :~( |
| 09:11.18 | Hyp3rion | everyone use procmeter3 it R0x >_< |
| 09:11.29 | mdh | yeah, I thought gkrellm did too, but if I turn on dock mode or start it -w, gkrellm's window still appears seperate |
| 09:11.38 | simonrvn | weird |
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| 09:11.51 | mdh | its probably a bug in this build of openbox |
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| 09:11.58 | sciboy | twansfomers, mor van meatz ze i. |
| 09:12.00 | simonrvn | not the only bug |
| 09:12.06 | sciboy | twansfomers, wobotz n disguyz |
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| 09:12.20 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 09:12.38 | sciboy | 0_o |
| 09:13.10 | sciboy | My lifes inpendig doom o_o |
| 09:13.12 | simonrvn | O_o |
| 09:13.15 | sciboy | inpending* |
| 09:13.27 | Hyp3rion | sciboy - wazetta linga wazett da? |
| 09:13.27 | g4lt | !dict inpending |
| 09:13.28 | mdh | impending perhaps? |
| 09:13.29 | dpkg | could not find definition for inpending |
| 09:13.30 | jose171181 | hello, anyone of you geeks from maine by any chance? |
| 09:13.43 | simonrvn | maine what? |
| 09:13.54 | sciboy | !dict impending |
| 09:13.56 | dpkg | Dictionary 'impending' (4 shown; 6 total): An impending brow. --Hawthorne. ;; Destruction sure o'er all your heads impends. --Pope. ;; . Impending \Im*pend"ing\, a. Hanging over; overhanging; suspended so as to menace; imminet; threatening. ;; close in time; about to occur; "retribution is at hand"; "some people believe the day of judgment is close at hand"; "in imminent danger"; "his impending retirement" . |
| 09:14.58 | sciboy | !mudda sciboy |
| 09:15.09 | sciboy | ? |
| 09:15.13 | sciboy | Wrong channel :P |
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| 09:16.13 | Hyp3rion | sunny256 - szia nyuszi |
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| 09:16.20 | jose171181 | simonrvn: maine, portland, usa |
| 09:16.25 | sunny256 | nemlig |
| 09:16.36 | Hyp3rion | !dict nemlig |
| 09:16.37 | dpkg | could not find definition for nemlig |
| 09:16.46 | sunny256 | hehe :) |
| 09:16.51 | Hyp3rion | >_< |
| 09:17.02 | g4lt | !rot13 nemlig |
| 09:17.02 | dpkg | arzyvt |
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| 09:17.50 | sciboy | Behold my mighty eyes! o_o' |
| 09:17.59 | simonrvn | !rot13 gilmen |
| 09:17.59 | dpkg | tvyzra |
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| 09:18.20 | sciboy | We're with stupiddddddddddddd and you can't stop ussssssssssss |
| 09:18.20 | Hyp3rion | ? |
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| 09:18.31 | sciboy | oops... wrong channel again :P |
| 09:18.40 | simonrvn | how do you prolong a consonant? |
| 09:19.23 | g4lt | simonrvn ask a mainer. hell, they could prolong ANY sound |
| 09:19.34 | simonrvn | heh |
| 09:20.01 | sciboy | Oughtobawts wage there battle too disstroy ze Evle Forcez of ze D-cepticowns! |
| 09:20.02 | simonrvn | *ANY*? |
| 09:20.20 | zamolxes | so is there a way to bypass the libcupsys2 problem in order to make samba work? :) i mean i really don't need cups for samba...... |
| 09:20.23 | g4lt | simonrvn yes, even uNF |
| 09:20.28 | simonrvn | !own sciboy |
| 09:20.41 | sciboy | !own simonrvn |
| 09:21.06 | simonrvn | g4lt: uuuuuuuuuNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNFFFFFFFFFFF? |
| 09:21.17 | mdh | how the hell do you prolong uNF? |
| 09:21.24 | simonrvn | i just did =) |
| 09:21.39 | dnc | can someone tell me if i can configure gnome on debian to use libstartup-notification, for example, to change the mouse cursor when application are loading? |
| 09:21.45 | mdh | I mean, prolonging F isn't too difficult |
| 09:22.03 | g4lt | mdh date a screamer, I guess |
| 09:22.11 | simonrvn | dnc: it should be already |
| 09:22.28 | mdh | I'm suspecting I will be married to one one day |
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| 09:22.56 | dnc | simonrvn: ok, so should be something b0rked here =) |
| 09:23.15 | tic | heya guys. I'm trying to build dcgui-qt from source, and configure complains about qt >= 3.0 not being installed. I've installed libqt-mt-dev, libqt-dev and friends, what could be wrong? |
| 09:23.24 | g4lt | mdh then you pretty much have the "prolonged uNF" down ;P |
| 09:23.47 | tarzeau | why cdrecords tell me it cannot open /dev/pg*? |
| 09:24.02 | Hyp3rion | /dev/pig* |
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| 09:24.24 | mdh | does screaming really count as the uNF though? or it is a seperate but related sound? |
| 09:24.41 | g4lt | tic apt-get build-dep dcgui |
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| 09:24.46 | K9 | hello |
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| 09:25.24 | g4lt | mdh yeah, screaming fails to fit the "u" part, as some people aren't screamers |
| 09:25.40 | tic | g4lt, I'm trying to build 0.3 here, which server carries debian-adapted source packages |
| 09:25.40 | tic | ? |
| 09:26.58 | flevour | hi all |
| 09:27.00 | tic | hrm. it can't find qstylefactory.h, seems it's not provided in any of the libqt-*-dev packages :| |
| 09:27.11 | simonrvn | PDO |
| 09:27.29 | flevour | is there anyway to crypt a whole partition instead of creating a file to be mounted/unmounted? |
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| 09:27.50 | g4lt | !info dcgui-qt sid |
| 09:27.52 | tarzeau | damned crap cdrecord always worked |
| 09:27.53 | dpkg | dcgui-qt: (graphical client for Direct Connect), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 749 kB, Installed size: 2820 kB |
| 09:27.54 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:27.59 | tarzeau | why does it suddenly not work anymore? |
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| 09:28.16 | simonrvn | tarzeau: it stopped liking you |
| 09:28.35 | g4lt | tarzeau your license ran out |
| 09:28.41 | tarzeau | DAMN! |
| 09:28.46 | anothernick | lol |
| 09:28.47 | tic | heh, oh. :) |
| 09:28.54 | anothernick | trolls |
| 09:29.03 | anothernick | goons |
| 09:29.09 | anothernick | ogres |
| 09:29.15 | simonrvn | anothernick: fartfishes |
| 09:29.16 | mdh | tarzeau: wtf is /dev/pg ? |
| 09:29.19 | mufa | I am trying to use X with ati module. When I run modprobe fglrx it loads fine, but startx says: (Failed to load module "fglrx" module does not exist). Does anyone have any idea what is wrong ? |
| 09:29.21 | anothernick | yahoos |
| 09:29.31 | tarzeau | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:29.33 | simonrvn | @ff anothernick |
| 09:29.35 | mdh | tarzeau: try cdrecord -scanbus |
| 09:29.36 | ravenbird | anothernick: fartfish |
| 09:29.55 | tarzeau | mdh: i did: it's telling me no such file or dir, cannot open /dev/pg* |
| 09:30.01 | anothernick | lol |
| 09:30.03 | jm_ | mufa: X has its own modules in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules |
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| 09:30.15 | clusty | hello |
| 09:30.46 | tarzeau | maybe 2.4.26 is FUCKED? |
| 09:30.54 | clusty | I decided to give another chance to KDE but I cannot change the ugly default window decoration. |
| 09:31.10 | clusty | any idea why there is nothing in control center on this matter? |
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| 09:31.12 | mdh | tarzeau: interesting... I have no /dev/pg* and cdrecord works fine :/ |
| 09:31.15 | jm_ | tarzeau: .25 surely works for me and .26 is not that different |
| 09:31.16 | KiPPiA | hi |
| 09:31.28 | kerpal | ahh.. i guess i did a good job started the kde gnome flame/fire |
| 09:31.30 | tarzeau | mdh: kernel version? |
| 09:31.35 | mufa | jm_: so I have to copy them there? |
| 09:31.47 | mdh | tarzeau: umm... 2.6.6-mm3 |
| 09:31.55 | jm_ | mufa: I don't know, read the docs - I know one has to have nvidia's driver there for it to work |
| 09:32.02 | mdh | tarzeau: lemme check another box, I think its 2.4.x |
| 09:32.39 | kerpal | wanders when the ipsec mod from 2.5.x will be in 2.6.x |
| 09:32.46 | Coke | Hello. I have a pc105 keyboard model using se(nodeadkeys) and no xkboptions. When I press ´ and ~ it shows that character immediately instead of allowing me to combine it with a letter. For instance I'd like to write the combined character for ~n ´e ´a ^o, etc. How can I do this with xkb? |
| 09:32.46 | mdh | grrr, my cow-orker broke it |
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| 09:33.18 | tarzeau | HAH |
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| 09:33.24 | tarzeau | works fione with a non 2.4.26 kernel |
| 09:33.25 | mdh | clusty: there's theming capability in there somewhere... |
| 09:33.36 | tarzeau | 2.4.26 only makes trouble to me, THE CRAP |
| 09:33.38 | tarzeau | i hate linux |
| 09:33.40 | jm_ | Coke: you want compose mode ? |
| 09:33.49 | Hyp3rion | tarzeau - strange pf worked for me with 2.4.26 :-/ |
| 09:33.52 | Coke | jm_: uhm. I don't know. Is that what it's called? |
| 09:33.56 | Hyp3rion | tarzeau - Use HURD! |
| 09:34.04 | tarzeau | good this iso i want to burn is freebsd, i'll wrok on Debian GNU/KFreeBSD now |
| 09:34.05 | kerpal | clusty K :: SETTINGS :: CONTROL CENTER |
| 09:34.09 | mdh | tarzeau: I still don't know what /dev/pg* is meant to be. most cd burners I know of are either /dev/sr* or /dev/sg* or /dev/hd* |
| 09:34.09 | tarzeau | Hyp3rion: i do, already |
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| 09:34.18 | tarzeau | mdh: so do i |
| 09:34.26 | tarzeau | mdh: but with 2.4.26 cdrecord is all fucked up |
| 09:34.32 | jm_ | Coke: I think so, maybe look here : http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/XKB-Config.html - but it's not very detailed |
| 09:34.47 | kerpal | what is hurn |
| 09:34.50 | kerpal | hurd |
| 09:34.54 | jm_ | /dev/pg is parallel port SCSI |
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| 09:35.00 | jm_ | err ATAPI |
| 09:35.03 | clusty | kerpal: but there is no place to choose window deco. only style which does not change the proper stuff |
| 09:35.35 | mdh | tarzeau: maybe your 2.4.26 kernel has no driver for that device node? |
| 09:35.38 | simonrvn | clusty: there's 2 places to edit UI prefs |
| 09:35.53 | kerpal | style and color is enough for me. |
| 09:36.00 | mufa | jm_: strange, I have fglrx_drv.o in /usr/X11R6/lib/modules |
| 09:36.08 | Coke | jm_: I have no idea what I'm looking for. |
| 09:36.10 | tarzeau | mdh: it's the debian kernel |
| 09:36.15 | tarzeau | mdh: maybe the debian kernel sucks |
| 09:36.19 | mdh | tarzeau: yes, and? ;) |
| 09:36.26 | jm_ | mufa: shouldn't that be in drivers dir ? |
| 09:36.30 | ckbe | i got a problem with the debian installer and sata disks .. iit doesn't detect the sata disk and i cannot load the module manually |
| 09:36.56 | jm_ | Coke: me neither, I use xkeysw to type funny characters, my bro has xkb setup with two switchable combinations now, like in those examples, but it's not compose mode |
| 09:37.10 | Hyp3rion | mdh - pg = Parallel port stuff... |
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| 09:37.37 | mufa | jm_: they are in the drivers dir |
| 09:37.39 | mdh | jm_, Hyp3rion: thanks |
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| 09:37.49 | Hyp3rion | :-) |
| 09:37.53 | Hyp3rion | man MAKEDEV |
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| 09:38.04 | jm_ | Coke: http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/Belgian-HOWTO/configuration.html |
| 09:38.06 | clusty | is there a way to install all kde related packages to make sure everything is there? |
| 09:38.10 | ckbe | sarge installer daily build of 24.5.2004 kernel 2.6.6, it is a Asus A7N8X with Silicon Image SATA controller |
| 09:38.13 | Coke | jm_: xmodmap is a real hacky way to do it, but at least it works the way I want. i just thought xkb was easier. |
| 09:38.14 | kerpal | do you smoke pot or does pot smoke you.. |
| 09:38.15 | ircdevil | hmmm i am trying to compile an apache httpd 1.3.29 server. however the configure step failes. the only thing fuzzy is: sed: -e expression #44, char 50: Unknown option to 's' |
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| 09:38.59 | kerpal | ircdevil: well sounds like someone sed -e ' s/something/<bad char here>' |
| 09:39.12 | codswallop | my /dev/mixer doesn't seem to be working -- mixer programs can't open it. I'm running 2.6.5 -- is there a module I need to modprobe? |
| 09:39.24 | Coke | jm_: ah, so one has to use xmodmap anyway |
| 09:39.27 | jm_ | Coke: http://pascal.tsu.ru/en/xkb/ |
| 09:39.44 | ircdevil | kerpal: never happened to me before with httpd 1.3.29 |
| 09:39.47 | kerpal | ircdevil: <rather> well sounds like someone sed -e ' s/something/replace with/<bad char here>' |
| 09:39.56 | ckbe | an insmod sata_sil.ko leaves me with (-1) undefined symbols |
| 09:39.58 | kerpal | its the configure script.. |
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| 09:40.24 | jm_ | /dev/mixer is OSS device, maybe you don't have ALSA OSS compatibility modules loaded |
| 09:40.32 | kerpal | ckbe: atleast that is what it sounds like. doesn't make sense as its apache |
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| 09:40.41 | codswallop | jm_: ok... do you know what they're called? |
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| 09:40.49 | kerpal | ckbe: why compile, why not apt-get install apache? |
| 09:40.51 | ircdevil | strange |
| 09:40.59 | Hyp3rion | how to enter stuff like ÒÕØýæå on a us-english at105 ps/2 keaboard with "us" xfree86 4.3 keyboard driver? |
| 09:41.02 | simonrvn | sid has 1.3.31 |
| 09:41.08 | kerpal | not ckbe i mean ircdevil |
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| 09:41.39 | codswallop | jm_: I have snd_mixer_oss already |
| 09:41.42 | Guerin | fucking hell |
| 09:41.57 | Guerin | fucking koreans think bread is a sweet food |
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| 09:42.04 | kerpal | Fun fact: I touched bottom when i tried to fuck hell. |
| 09:42.18 | ckbe | here is no one who has installed sarge on a sata disk? |
| 09:42.18 | Guerin | I just bought what I thought was foccacia, and it's fucking got jam in it |
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| 09:42.35 | Guerin | ckbe: I know several people who've done it |
| 09:42.45 | kerpal | Guerin: sure its jam? |
| 09:42.50 | Guerin | ckbe: it is possible, but I haven't done it myself |
| 09:42.53 | sanity | anyone here speak danish? |
| 09:42.58 | jm_ | codswallop: permissions maybe |
| 09:43.02 | Hyp3rion | #debian.sk |
| 09:43.02 | Guerin | kerpal: I have eaten jam before, I am familiar with the taste |
| 09:43.04 | Hyp3rion | #debian.dk |
| 09:43.09 | Hyp3rion | !danish |
| 09:43.10 | dpkg | hmm... danish is better than swedish. To get danish support in KDE do: apt-get install kde-i18n-da, or a damn fine pastry, or #debian-dk |
| 09:43.47 | ckbe | what dependencies do the sata kernel modules have? |
| 09:43.53 | codswallop | jm_: /dev/dsp0 and /dev/mixer0 are both root:audio 660 and I'm in the audio group... |
| 09:44.06 | kerpal | ckbe: an sata drive? |
| 09:44.12 | kerpal | ckbe: what kernal is it? |
| 09:44.19 | ckbe | 2.6.6 |
| 09:44.32 | codswallop | ckbe: you could try modprobe instead of insmod perhaps |
| 09:44.34 | jm_ | codswallop: and /dev/mixer ? |
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| 09:44.40 | kerpal | ckbe you compile or is it an image only? |
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| 09:44.48 | codswallop | jm_: symlinked to /dev/mixer0 |
| 09:44.54 | ckbe | it's a debian installer daily build |
| 09:45.11 | ckbe | so i didn't compile it myself |
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| 09:45.27 | Antani | hi |
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| 09:45.29 | jm_ | codswallop: do you also have ALSA mixer modules loaded ? |
| 09:45.29 | Antani | please |
| 09:45.45 | Guerin | ckbe: aren;t the dailies supposed to be not-guaranteed-working? |
| 09:45.45 | Antani | I've got a problem with cups on debian unstable... |
| 09:45.47 | kerpal | jm_: how can one look at .config on a running kernel? |
| 09:45.54 | kerpal | jm_: /dev/??? |
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| 09:45.56 | Guerin | !tell antani about ask |
| 09:45.57 | simonrvn | Antani: /topic |
| 09:46.10 | kerpal | !topicsmite Antani |
| 09:46.10 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Antani. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 09:46.17 | ckbe | Guerin: yes they are .. |
| 09:46.43 | codswallop | jm_: don't think so... locate -i alsa| grep modules gives no hits. what are the modules called? |
| 09:46.43 | Guerin | ckbe: but theoretically at least, the kernel should be functional. Have you tried beta 4? |
| 09:46.44 | jm_ | kerpal: 2.6 kernels have an option to export it to /proc, make-kpkg adds it to .deb and it's in /boot, there's unofficial patch for 2.4 that does something similar as well - other then that, there's no way |
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| 09:46.57 | Antani | ok |
| 09:47.10 | ckbe | Guerin: just dl and burning it |
| 09:47.19 | jm_ | codswallop: grep modules ? I'd use grep mixer |
| 09:47.37 | Guerin | ckbe: the couple people in here who've gotten it working over the last week or so have used that - you migt have more luck |
| 09:47.42 | codswallop | jm_: still, no modules |
| 09:47.44 | kerpal | ckbe: zcat /proc/config.gz|less and look to see what it says about sata for starts. |
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| 09:47.55 | kerpal | ckbe: if you can even get to that step |
| 09:48.06 | Antani | please, when I do apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade I got all the cups packages to be kept back thus I couldn't upgrade... How could I fix it? |
| 09:48.15 | Guerin | Antani: just wait |
| 09:48.30 | Eaglered | I have php4 installed, but when I try to access a phpfile from the web server, is tries to save the file locally, I have php4 php4-mysql and so on |
| 09:48.35 | Antani | Guerin: ok, wait for what or whom? |
| 09:48.36 | jm_ | codswallop: they were there last time I tried ALSA, but that was a few years ago |
| 09:48.43 | Guerin | Antani: read the damn topic |
| 09:49.01 | kerpal | !topicsmite Antani |
| 09:49.01 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Antani. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 09:49.10 | codswallop | jm_: hm... is alsa necessary for 2.6 kernels? or can i just use oss like i used to? |
| 09:49.13 | Guerin | Eaglered: ask in #apache - it's a config error |
| 09:49.23 | jm_ | codswallop: I though OSS modules are still there |
| 09:49.25 | Antani | ah ok :) |
| 09:49.39 | Antani | so we have to waut |
| 09:49.47 | Antani | so we have to wait |
| 09:50.15 | kerpal | Im going to invite a knoppix guy in here its been a while. |
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| 09:50.21 | kerpal | !knoppixsmite someone |
| 09:50.27 | Antani | thanks |
| 09:50.30 | kerpal | :( that needs to be added. |
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| 09:50.44 | Guerin | kerpal: there are many smites for that |
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| 09:50.50 | kerpal | Guerin like? |
| 09:51.02 | Zap-W | there are groovey new pointers for the mice |
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| 09:51.18 | Guerin | kerpal: but you don't need to invite people in to use them - you'll get your chance in due time |
| 09:51.18 | kerpal | Is their a #debian irc faq |
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| 09:51.26 | Zap-W | lol , on join message <TaBLe> http://www.sexyteens.gen.ms Free Porno Videos |
| 09:51.28 | Hyp3rion | Zap-W - cool i've been looking for some |
| 09:51.40 | Guerin | kerpal: /msg dpkg listvalues knoppix or nondeb or essentially |
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| 09:51.46 | Hyp3rion | Zap-W - like the Plan9 cursors... |
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| 09:51.56 | directhex | "Virus" is also a spambot |
| 09:52.00 | directhex | or was |
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| 09:52.09 | Zap-W | Hyp3rion, i dont know i just did apt-get update and dist-upgrade and i have new cursors |
| 09:52.21 | codswallop | how does one get alsa working on a 2.6 debian kernel image? |
| 09:52.35 | directhex | with difficulty |
| 09:52.41 | codswallop | bugger |
| 09:52.44 | Guerin | !tell codswallop about audio |
| 09:52.54 | Zap-W | i think it's from gnome |
| 09:52.56 | Guerin | codswallop: it's not that hard, really. |
| 09:53.03 | jm_ | codswallop: I suppose it's already compield with ALSA, you can always check in /boot |
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| 09:53.30 | codswallop | Guerin: that info seems terribly dated |
| 09:53.40 | Guerin | codswallop: it is, rather |
| 09:54.01 | directhex | codswallop: the 2,6 images are compiled with both the alsa and oss modules. hotplug loads BOTH, ignoring the "don't bloody load oss ffs" entries in the blacklist |
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| 09:54.05 | Guerin | codswallop: but the principles remain: install the kernel modules, set up permissions... |
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| 09:54.23 | codswallop | Guerin: *which* modules? |
| 09:54.25 | directhex | codswallop: oss will work, but any attempt to get alsa working with the oss mness still about will fail |
| 09:54.32 | Guerin | codswallop: depends on your card |
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| 09:54.49 | directhex | codswallop" lsmod | grep sound |
| 09:55.04 | Guerin | grep snd will work better |
| 09:55.17 | directhex | codswallop, if you have any entries other than "snd" there, such as i810_audio, then you've got oss taking over |
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| 09:56.21 | |adam| | lucent wireless network cards, should they just work on a vanilla install of stable? |
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| 09:56.26 | codswallop | directhex: i'd be happy with just oss working |
| 09:56.26 | directhex | codswallop, there's meant to be a clever way to stop oss from loading, but since in my case my hotplug blacklist was being ignored, i ended up just killing the kernel modules manually, and running update-modules & rebooting |
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| 09:57.09 | codswallop | Guerin: i know that. it used to be (2.4.x) that i just used the es1371 module. but that doesn't seem to work now |
| 09:57.59 | xukun | hi all |
| 09:58.03 | directhex | codswallop, what modules are showing as dependancies of "sound" if you do an lsmod |
| 09:58.13 | Guerin | codswallop: ah, ess - worst soundcards evar |
| 09:58.26 | directhex | hurrah for ess audiodrive |
| 09:58.33 | codswallop | directhex: i don't have a sound module |
| 09:58.33 | jm_ | Guerin: they aren't |
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| 09:58.46 | codswallop | directhex: soundcore currently has soundcore 10272 3 snd,es1371,es1370 |
| 09:59.20 | Guerin | jm_: mine gave me nothing but grief, and my mother has one in her laptop which won't even do fullduplex under linux - what's worse, out of interest? |
| 09:59.33 | directhex | codswallop, if you run alsaconf as root, does it find a card? |
| 09:59.38 | jm_ | Guerin: dunno, I was very happy with SB128 which uses it |
| 09:59.43 | xukun | I have a 3com wlan card which uses an atmel chip, but its not loading in kernel 2.6.x. any somebody please help me with this? |
| 09:59.51 | directhex | codswallop, it will give an error at the last step, i'd just like to know if it finds your card |
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| 10:00.05 | codswallop | directhex: ens1371 Ensoniq 5880 AudioPCI (rev 02) :D |
| 10:00.07 | kerpal | anyplace, I can go to look at dpkg the bots offerings suchs as all of his smites? |
| 10:00.25 | jm_ | kerpal: /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 10:00.36 | codswallop | directhex: but then when it tries to run alsa start, an error (about the mixer again, I think) flashes up |
| 10:00.40 | MikeCamel | grr - unstable's big update has broken printing from moz-firefox, which assumes that xprint is correctly set up. However, it's not - anyone know much about it? |
| 10:01.21 | directhex | codswallop, cross fingers for crashes, then cross toes, then rmmod es1371 && rmmod es1370 |
| 10:01.25 | codswallop | directhex: Restoring ALSA mixer settings ... failed:\n You may want to run 'alsactl restore' manually to view any errors. |
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| 10:01.30 | codswallop | directhex: ok |
| 10:01.36 | kerpal | wow |
| 10:01.42 | kerpal | 2.4 megs |
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| 10:01.52 | codswallop | directhex: done |
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| 10:02.22 | MikeCamel | Guerin - you round? |
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| 10:02.36 | codswallop | directhex: there are still 8 modules depending on snd in there, though |
| 10:02.38 | MikeCamel | LS - you round? |
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| 10:02.48 | MikeCamel | LSorensen, that is... |
| 10:02.48 | zoyd_ | hi, anyone here used fwbuilder? |
| 10:02.54 | directhex | codswallop, snd is good. snd is alsa. |
| 10:02.59 | ircdevil | say, i suspect i may be missing some dev package since i cannot run ./configure when compiling apache http - ideas ? |
| 10:03.06 | codswallop | directhex: ok... still no working mixer ATM |
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| 10:03.09 | kerpal | whos the brain surgeon jm_? |
| 10:03.22 | jm_ | ircdevil: run sh -x conifgure, read INSTALL file etc |
| 10:03.24 | jm_ | kerpal: ehh ? |
| 10:03.32 | directhex | codswallop: what i'm about to suggest is evil & wrong, but has worked for myself & others. go to /lib/modules/kernelversionnumber/kernel/sound/oss |
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| 10:03.57 | kerpal | jm_: the .gz where hosted at a .edu, going up a parent from their i get a neuroscience page. |
| 10:03.59 | codswallop | directhex: ok.. evil & wrong works for me |
| 10:04.08 | jm_ | kerpal: dondelelcaro |
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| 10:04.16 | directhex | codswallop, then *gulp* rm ess13* |
| 10:04.24 | kerpal | ahh |
| 10:04.27 | codswallop | directhex: erm, i'm mv them somewhere if you don't mind :P |
| 10:04.38 | directhex | codswallop, wuss :o |
| 10:04.38 | MikeCamel | codswallap - don't rm it! just mv it! |
| 10:04.57 | ircdevil | jm_ i have compiled apache servers before on other boxes - its trivial, however i seem to be missing something in this debian installation ... |
| 10:05.02 | codswallop | directhex: ok... |
| 10:05.10 | jm_ | ircdevil: see above |
| 10:05.25 | directhex | codswallop, update-modules, reboot, run alsaconf again, it'll be working. just remember default volume is 0 |
| 10:05.36 | ||adam|| | ircdevil: surely the ./configure is failing with a useful error? |
| 10:06.08 | codswallop | directhex: right, i'll give it a go. thanks for the help! |
| 10:06.18 | MikeCamel | any Xprint gurus around? |
| 10:06.26 | ||adam|| | anyone have any experience with orinoco wireless cards under debian? |
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| 10:06.52 | kerpal | wow two surveys.. |
| 10:06.53 | nornagon_ | Hi. |
| 10:06.55 | nornagon_ | I get major sound lag |
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| 10:07.00 | nornagon_ | in umm |
| 10:07.06 | nornagon_ | kaboodle |
| 10:07.07 | directhex | !enter |
| 10:07.07 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
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| 10:07.11 | nornagon_ | playing an avi |
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| 10:07.24 | nornagon_ | directhex: sorry |
| 10:07.32 | directhex | what sound driver are you running, and what sound daemons on top? |
| 10:07.42 | nornagon_ | I'm using alsa |
| 10:07.47 | nornagon_ | umm, sound daemons.. |
| 10:07.57 | directhex | esound, jack, arts |
| 10:08.02 | nornagon_ | artsd |
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| 10:08.17 | directhex | disable arts, see if you still get lag. arts is obsolete if you use alsa |
| 10:08.19 | mdh | !redhat user |
| 10:08.19 | dpkg | gay |
| 10:08.23 | nornagon_ | ok. |
| 10:08.31 | nornagon_ | how do I disable it? |
| 10:08.31 | mdh | I think that's insulting to gay people |
| 10:08.33 | nornagon_ | XD |
| 10:08.49 | cafuego | Is there a workaround for the man-db problem in the b4 sarge image? |
| 10:08.55 | directhex | nornagon, go into kcontrol, under the sounds bit somewhere |
| 10:08.57 | The_Vulture | mdh: so remove/change it.. |
| 10:08.59 | nornagon | ok |
| 10:09.01 | nornagon | thanks :) |
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| 10:09.35 | nornagon | lol |
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| 10:09.37 | mdh | The_Vulture: I'm not feeling creative enough ;P |
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| 10:09.46 | jmonter | hello everyone |
| 10:10.13 | nornagon | can I just kill artsd? |
| 10:10.14 | jmonter | has anyone try to install KDE 3.2.2 on a debian system with out any problems? |
| 10:10.24 | ircdevil | ||adam||: http://130.226.106.174/~paste/cgi-bin/1086171016.html |
| 10:10.41 | cafuego | jmonter: I've been running it (in sid/unstable) for over a month. |
| 10:10.58 | resiak | Is there an "official Debian way" to update fstab? If so, I can't find it! |
| 10:11.01 | jmonter | I can't seem to be able to pass the arts-1.2.2 install |
| 10:11.05 | mdh | !redhat user =~ s/gay/debian user in denial/ |
| 10:11.05 | dpkg | OK, mdh |
| 10:11.09 | directhex | nornagon, yes, but that can confuse kde a little |
| 10:11.17 | petemc | jmonter: it wont install atm, theres a problem, see /topic |
| 10:11.18 | nornagon | :/ |
| 10:11.23 | ||adam|| | ircdevil: and it just hangs there? |
| 10:11.25 | nornagon | I killed it, lag still there :/ |
| 10:11.33 | The_Vulture | resiak: with your text editor of choice |
| 10:11.36 | nornagon | ack, it started it again |
| 10:11.38 | ircdevil | ||adam||: that is the end, and the Makefile is 0 bytes |
| 10:11.47 | nornagon | hmm |
| 10:11.50 | directhex | nornagon, yes, it did. do it via kcontrol. |
| 10:11.58 | nornagon | I can't figure out how to disable it :S |
| 10:12.01 | jmonter | where can I find the topic? |
| 10:12.14 | resiak | The_Vulture: Yeah, I know that much :p But aside from that, no? okay, cheers. |
| 10:12.37 | ircdevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:12.43 | directhex | nornagon, i don't have anything kde-related installed at the moment. just look through the sections for a "sound" section, there's a big page with big "sound server" tickbox |
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| 10:13.01 | nornagon | hmm |
| 10:13.03 | nornagon | Sound server... |
| 10:13.13 | kerpal | !shield |
| 10:13.34 | nornagon | nope, can't find it :S |
| 10:13.36 | nornagon | I'll googel |
| 10:13.38 | nornagon | google* |
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| 10:14.01 | ||adam|| | ircdevil: so it just drops you back to a prompt at that stage? |
| 10:14.17 | ircdevil | ||adam||: correct |
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| 10:14.24 | directhex | nornagon, it's a gui. just check the sections for something with a little speaker icon |
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| 10:14.49 | ||adam|| | ircdevil: i would say it's unlikely to be a missing library, since the configure script normally tells you about it, quite verbosely |
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| 10:15.14 | resiak | On an entirely unrelated note... When I was a 'debian user in denial' (thanks, mdh), I used KDE, and Gnome apps used KDE's tray without a problem. Now I'm running GNOME, and KDE apps (on those rare occasions that I run them) have a nice big separate window for their tray icon. Any hints, or is this accepted behaviour? |
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| 10:15.35 | ircdevil | ||adam||: i have no idea what is the matter |
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| 10:15.54 | kerpal | !lala kerpal |
| 10:16.02 | couch40 | hello |
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| 10:16.25 | Zap-W | why does it take sometimes several times to run apt-get update til it actually downloads from the database and dosen't the list... |
| 10:16.30 | Zap-W | skip |
| 10:16.40 | ||adam|| | ircdevil: try downloading a fresh tarball, see if some bits got flipped on the way with the last one |
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| 10:17.29 | directhex | resiak, use xfce4. that loves both kde and gnome system trays |
| 10:17.34 | ircdevil | ||adam||: i tried with 1.3.29 and now with 1.3.31 - same |
| 10:18.03 | kerpal | !!shield |
| 10:18.19 | resiak | directhex: what exactly is xfce4? |
| 10:18.29 | resiak | a window manager? |
| 10:18.29 | Coke | jm_: that multi-key thing doesn't work at all like I wanted it too. |
| 10:18.29 | kerpal | !pick |
| 10:18.41 | kerpal | ~pick |
| 10:18.42 | directhex | resiak, a small clean gtk2-based window manager |
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| 10:19.02 | kerpal | ~love |
| 10:19.02 | apt | If you love <insert item> so much, why don't you marry it |
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| 10:19.10 | resiak | directhex: so the whole no-kde-tray thing is Metacity being a pain in the arse? |
| 10:19.14 | Coke | jm_: the 'a becomes an å and so on. |
| 10:19.23 | useruser | directhex: that hack worked a treat! (after the bloody thing refused to boot...) thanks! |
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| 10:19.26 | jm_ | Coke: what should it become ? |
| 10:19.34 | directhex | resiak, buggered if i know, i couldn't be bothered with gnome for more than a minute |
| 10:19.49 | kerpal | wangstrike |
| 10:19.55 | ||adam|| | ircdevil: my first suggestion would be try building it on another debian box, if you have one |
| 10:19.58 | kerpal | !wangstrike |
| 10:20.06 | ||adam|| | ircdevil: that is a very weird proiblem |
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| 10:20.15 | Coke | jm_: I can't even use that key now, but a 'e should become an accented e. |
| 10:20.23 | kerpal | apt wangstrike |
| 10:20.24 | apt | kerpal: i don't know |
| 10:20.24 | Coke | jm_: and when pressing accent + space you want just an accent |
| 10:20.29 | kerpal | sorry |
| 10:20.31 | g4lt | kerpal you really like pain, don't you? |
| 10:20.33 | Coke | jm_: like it is in the console |
| 10:20.35 | directhex | resiak, xfce4: http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~jms501/desktopscreen-1.png |
| 10:20.51 | jm_ | Coke: that's the problem with this, it's poorly documented |
| 10:22.05 | nornagon | directhex: could I just uninstall artsd? there's no option to disable it :/ |
| 10:22.18 | ircdevil | ||adam||: apache http 1.3.29 server is the most common web-server in the world afaik. it is _very_ stable - it builds nicely on other boxes - just not on _this_ one ? |
| 10:22.46 | resiak | directhex: any nice easy instructions for switching WM you could point me to? |
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| 10:22.55 | Coke | jm_: why doesn't X just use whatever setting the console had? |
| 10:22.57 | ||adam|| | ircdevil: which would suggest to me something is very badly wrong with that box, or the install on it |
| 10:23.06 | directhex | resiak, do you use gdm or similar? |
| 10:23.07 | ||adam|| | ircdevil: as to what, I have no information to work on |
| 10:23.08 | Zap-W | i guess xfce4 would be much lighter than kde 3.2 |
| 10:23.13 | Coke | jm_: that is, implement a more advanced setting that works in the console as well as X |
| 10:23.15 | resiak | directhex: yes, gdm. |
| 10:23.30 | jm_ | Coke: because it handles the keyboard directly |
| 10:23.31 | directhex | resiak, it adds "xfce session" to the "sessions" button |
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| 10:23.39 | kerpal | g4lt apt yours? |
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| 10:23.50 | resiak | directhex: :) (oh the joys of this OS) |
| 10:23.50 | ircdevil | ||adam||: i run woody with bunk packages and kernel 2.6.6 it is very stable. |
| 10:24.01 | directhex | resiak, gdm will ask you if you want the change to be permanent or just for one time |
| 10:24.05 | Zap-W | http://clevername.homeip.net/gallery/screenshots/ xfce4 shots |
| 10:24.15 | kikinovak | Hi. There are several optimized versions of mplayer: 386, 586, 686, K6 and K7. I have a Pentium III 500 MHz processor. Now which package should I use with that? |
| 10:24.24 | g4lt | kerpal no, he's timriker's. you can /msg the bots. |
| 10:24.25 | resiak | directhex: ace, thanks; Zap-W: cheers! |
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| 10:24.38 | g4lt | kikinovak 686 |
| 10:24.44 | Zap-W | kikinovak, it's still best to compile mplayer from source |
| 10:24.49 | kikinovak | g4lt Thanks! |
| 10:24.51 | ||adam|| | ircdevil: so where's the problem then? :) you have a stable os and a stable web server |
| 10:25.15 | kikinovak | Zap-W is there really a big difference? |
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| 10:25.28 | ||adam|| | ircdevil: my guess would be that something the configure script is doing is exiting abnormally, but why there's no error I don't know |
| 10:25.30 | nornagon | directhex: there's no aRTs panel in the sound section in KControl :/ |
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| 10:25.46 | ||adam|| | ircdevil: strace time, perhaos |
| 10:25.48 | directhex | nornagon, it's not called "arts" it's called "sound server" or something like that. |
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| 10:26.11 | resiak | directhex, Zap-W, The_Vulture: thanks for helping out! |
| 10:26.12 | ircdevil | ||adam||: i follow you on the last bit. but i still suspect a missing library for c or such. |
| 10:26.19 | mauve_ | Hi I want to write textdocuments that are as pretty formatted as the RFCs at ietf.org, how can i do that (with page numbers and stuff)? |
| 10:26.20 | nornagon | directhex: yeah, on the sound server page, there's no option to disable arts |
| 10:26.33 | Zap-W | kikinovak, yes |
| 10:26.35 | Zap-W | kikinovak, there is |
| 10:26.49 | ircdevil | ||adam||: hm i have compiled kernels on this box, so the c enviroment should be functional |
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| 10:26.58 | ||adam|| | ircdevil: possibly, but one which is causing the configure to crash rather then fail because it found a problem with buii |
| 10:27.02 | ||adam|| | lding apache |
| 10:27.09 | directhex | nornagon, the top tick box is for "enable sound server", iirc |
| 10:27.10 | ||adam|| | gah, itchy enter finger |
| 10:27.21 | kikinovak | Zap-W question for that... does that mean I also have to compile the necessary libraries from source, or is it ok if I just apt-get install these? |
| 10:27.22 | nornagon | directhex: so I just disable that? kay. |
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| 10:28.10 | Zap-W | kikinovak, you just need the development packages for the necessary libraries |
| 10:28.11 | kikinovak | Zap-W I had the same question for ogle. My DVD playing was a bit choppy, and I suspected my processor being a bit too slow. So the question is: compile the libraries also? or just the "core" program? |
| 10:28.23 | nornagon | directhex: Ack, I disabled it, but artsd is still running :/ |
| 10:28.46 | Coke | jm_: hey, it was the "nodeadkeys" option on my layout that disallowed the key combos. |
| 10:29.16 | kikinovak | Zap-W all these -dev packages? (I'm not a computer technician, I'm a writer, but I try to do my best to avoid Windows... ) |
| 10:29.23 | Zap-W | kikinovak, no , you dont to any library compiling.... do ./configure |less scroll down it will say what is missing |
| 10:29.46 | kikinovak | Zap-W OK |
| 10:29.54 | jm_ | Coke: yeah, I'd like to find a description for all those options |
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| 10:30.01 | directhex | nornagon, try restarting kde. |
| 10:30.23 | Coke | jm_: dito |
| 10:30.26 | Zap-W | kikinovak, basicly all you need to do is in the root Mplayer source dir , ./debian/rules binary |
| 10:30.45 | Zap-W | kikinovak, but you have to edit the rules files first and add the directories with the codecs |
| 10:31.37 | kikinovak | ah ok... is there some good thorough newbie doc you would recommend? |
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| 10:31.59 | nornagon | directhex: hmm |
| 10:32.09 | nornagon | directhex: I think it might just be kaboodle :/ |
| 10:32.23 | nornagon | directhex: that's making artsd start, that is |
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| 10:32.25 | Zap-W | kikinovak, remove the line --enable-runtime-cpudetection from the rules file aswell ..blah , |
| 10:32.45 | kikinovak | Zap-W why? |
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| 10:33.18 | Zap-W | kikinovak, cause it slows things down , besides when you compile it it will autodetect your cpu and optimize for it already... |
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| 10:33.38 | kikinovak | Zap-W ok |
| 10:34.00 | Zap-W | also see the package " pentium-builder" lol |
| 10:34.02 | Zap-W | goodluck |
| 10:34.10 | kikinovak | Zap-W any good doc to recommend for a newbie like me? (I know there are tons, but where's the good doc?) |
| 10:34.34 | Shorty` | anyone remember how to export your X display so a root console can use it? |
| 10:34.37 | Zap-W | kikinovak, doc for what subject? |
| 10:34.51 | kikinovak | mplayer: compilation on Debian system, installing, ... |
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| 10:35.05 | jm_ | Shorty`: /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie ; or do it manually using xauth, or sudo, or ssh, want more ? |
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| 10:35.22 | directhex | why do people insist on rolling their owm mplayer, when the marillat packages are pretty damn good? |
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| 10:36.06 | yang | make depends on which package? |
| 10:36.06 | idnar | directhex: I do it because I track the latest cvs |
| 10:36.10 | lost_and_found | Hi, I'm running out of disk space and would like to deinstall some packages. Any suggestion how to choose them. How can I see their sizes? |
| 10:36.23 | jm_ | apt-cache show foo, or use aptitude |
| 10:36.38 | idnar | directhex: latest version in cvs, I mean |
| 10:37.04 | lost_and_found | jm_: thanks |
| 10:37.07 | idnar | directhex: also, although I haven't tried them, I'm going to assume that the marillat packages use runtime cpu detection |
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| 10:38.00 | bsmith_ | hmm my timezone is set correctly, but the time shows the corresponding UTC time instead of PST |
| 10:38.04 | bsmith_ | what's the easiest way to swap them? |
| 10:38.09 | jm_ | tzconfig |
| 10:38.16 | jm_ | export TZ=foo |
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| 10:39.25 | kerpal | ~love apt-bot |
| 10:39.28 | apt | If you love apt-bot so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 10:39.54 | daxxar | !love |
| 10:39.55 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
| 10:40.00 | bsmith_ | i tried tzconfig, but can i have the changes take effect immediately? |
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| 10:40.28 | bsmith_ | my timezone is already set correctly |
| 10:40.33 | bsmith_ | but the displayed time is off |
| 10:40.33 | jm_ | you can, export TZ |
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| 10:40.52 | interoz | where can i check how often fetchmail runs, and eventually how can i change that time? |
| 10:40.58 | bsmith_ | is there a more permanent solution? |
| 10:41.08 | jm_ | tzconfig made it permanent |
| 10:41.14 | madrid | dearest, with 2.6.6 kernel.. what packages/actions I need to do for audio? I just flag the sound server option in GNOME 2.6 but my system is still silent |
| 10:41.15 | bsmith_ | okay, thanks |
| 10:41.42 | jm_ | madrid: using ALSA ? read their FAQ and unmute all audio channels and set the volume |
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| 10:42.28 | directhex | madrid, run lsmod | grep soundcore |
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| 10:43.01 | madrid | directhex, soundcore is up |
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| 10:43.19 | directhex | madrid, that wasn't the question. what modules is it using? |
| 10:43.49 | madrid | soundcore 11168 4 snd |
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| 10:44.34 | nornagon | Is there any video player out there that has an option not to use aRts? |
| 10:44.43 | directhex | nornagon, almsot all of them |
| 10:45.14 | nornagon | directhex: well how do I make kaboodle not use it? |
| 10:45.15 | directhex | madrid, ok, so you haven't got oss creeping in. what happens if you run alsaconf ? |
| 10:45.25 | directhex | nornagon, buggered if i know, i use mplayer |
| 10:45.33 | nornagon | directhex: ah, kay. |
| 10:46.10 | nornagon | directhex: where can I get that? what package? |
| 10:46.19 | debian-san | I have a strange problem with gvim. If I type gvim on the command line, it says : E25 GUI cannot be used. Not enabled at compile time. However, if I launch gvim with IceWM menu, it works. Anyone has a clue about this? |
| 10:46.25 | Guerin | nornagon: kaboodle is bad anyway |
| 10:46.29 | Guerin | !mplayer |
| 10:46.29 | dpkg | methinks mplayer is at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ , or for debian packages, see http://hpisi.nerim.net/, or the url for debian packages moved to ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/, or - as for why mplayer isn't in debian, ask me about <mplayer license> |
| 10:46.50 | Marsupilcoalt | !mplayer license |
| 10:46.51 | dpkg | mplayer license is, like, due to certain libraries in mplayer it is not possible to provide a binary in Debian. Instead, build your own package. See 'mplayer' to learn how to do that |
| 10:47.18 | Guerin | dpkg, mplayer =~ s/, or -/;/ |
| 10:47.18 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
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| 10:47.34 | nornagon | :/ |
| 10:47.42 | angelgabriel | I have just done a fresh install of debian - and I ran apt-get to get mailman - at the end of installing the deb package a message flashed up on how to configure it, except I missed it, how do I get to view that message again? |
| 10:47.48 | mdh | debian-san: "which gvim" |
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| 10:47.56 | saloxin | debian-san: vim-x11 ? |
| 10:48.03 | Guerin | angelgabriel: dpkg-reconfigure -plow mailman |
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| 10:48.45 | debian-san | I did : apt-get install vim, I guess. It's version 6.1.18. |
| 10:49.01 | debian-san | Should I try vim-x11? |
| 10:49.04 | angelgabriel | Guerin: Thanks a lot, I'm tryin' that now |
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| 10:50.25 | saloxin | debian-san: gvim is part of vim-gtk |
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| 10:51.05 | saloxin | Guerin: what does -plow do? I can't seem to find it in man page |
| 10:51.16 | jm_ | man dpkg-reconfigure mentions it |
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| 10:51.20 | PDani | hi |
| 10:51.41 | angelgabriel | Guerin: It didn't show the info page that it showed on the first install |
| 10:51.45 | PDani | i've a problem with unstable |
| 10:51.52 | debian-san | Ok, I will give it a try right away. |
| 10:51.52 | nornagon | Ack! Stupid artsd :/ |
| 10:52.00 | saloxin | ah, --priority=low ;-) |
| 10:52.06 | angelgabriel | I already removed it, and re-installed it, but it's configuration files where still in place |
| 10:52.08 | mdh | debian-san: that wasn't a question, it was a command. I want to see if your shell has aliased 'gvim' to something dumb |
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| 10:52.12 | PDani | when i try to install kdelib4 package, i got this mesage: kdelibs4: Depends: libcupsys2 (>= 1.1.19final-1) but it is not installable |
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| 10:52.19 | jm_ | angelgabriel: of course, read the FAQ |
| 10:52.31 | PDani | and there is no libcupsys2 package |
| 10:52.34 | mdh | debian-san: because if it's working from the icewm menu, you must have some valid gvim installed... |
| 10:52.34 | madrid | directhex, I just configured my alsa card (never did before..). Apparently alsa recognize the audio chipset (via VT8233/A/8235/8237) but I can't hear sound |
| 10:52.46 | g4lt | PDani you're not too heavy into reading /topic, are you? |
| 10:52.53 | PDani | :) |
| 10:52.55 | PDani | i will |
| 10:52.55 | angelgabriel | jm_: The FAQ for mailman leaves a lot to be desired. It's mostly about running the damn thing, and not about installing it |
| 10:52.57 | g4lt | !topicsmite PDani |
| 10:52.58 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon PDani. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 10:53.05 | jm_ | angelgabriel: no, the one pointed out by topic |
| 10:54.15 | directhex | madrid, check the volume slider. default volume is 0 |
| 10:54.36 | PDani | g4lt: thx, it escaped my attention |
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| 10:55.33 | g4lt | angelgabriel why, od you wnat to get topicsmote as well? |
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| 10:55.51 | sussudio | g4lt: /topicbadger |
| 10:56.20 | pzs | I'm after some help with apt-get and the hpoj package for hp printers/scanners |
| 10:56.22 | g4lt | sussudio that's old |
| 10:56.22 | angelgabriel | I was asked to read the FAQ in topic, but that doesn't answer my question ..... |
| 10:56.38 | pzs | if I do "apt-get install hpoj" it gets an older version |
| 10:56.40 | sussudio | g4lt: obey teh b4dgers |
| 10:56.45 | debian-san | mdh: Too late ;-) I've installed vim-gtk and it works now both ways. |
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| 10:56.52 | pzs | I can't seem to force an installation of the newer version, even though it's on the ftp server |
| 10:56.54 | pzs | any ideas? |
| 10:57.00 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 10:57.00 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box of rutabagas, a little K-Y jelly, and 42 rabid platypuses. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 10:57.34 | lnx | hello |
| 10:57.45 | Guerin | angelgabriel: what MTA? |
| 10:57.54 | Guerin | angelgabriel: and have you googled? |
| 10:57.55 | pzs | OK, well if I've downloaded a .deb file, how can I force it to use that and not hit the server for it? |
| 10:58.08 | Guerin | pzs: dpkg -i <file> |
| 10:58.16 | jm_ | angelgabriel: it does, it will tell you how to remove config files when removing a package |
| 10:58.31 | angelgabriel | Guerin: Mailman has installed fine - I'm having difficulty getting to the web interface |
| 10:58.42 | pzs | OK, but then it doesn't hit the server to resolve the dependencies |
| 10:58.51 | pzs | it says I need a zillion other newer versions |
| 10:59.04 | jm_ | pzs: yes, that's how it works |
| 10:59.15 | angelgabriel | jm_ : OH! *duh* I'm sorry, I didn't realise that you was answering my question! |
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| 10:59.37 | angelgabriel | Guerin: My MTA is postfix, which is also working fine |
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| 10:59.51 | pzs | but with apt-get install, it just resolves the dependencies automagically |
| 10:59.58 | pzs | do I have to do it manually in this case? |
| 10:59.59 | jm_ | yes, and dpkg is not apt-get |
| 11:00.04 | Guerin | angelgabriel: given that you ignored my question about googling, I'll presume you haven't. Google mailman web interface howto |
| 11:00.04 | mdh | sussudio: I think so, Brain, but me and Pippy Longstocking... imagine the children! |
| 11:00.22 | Guerin | pzs: why do you want to install a different version than apt? |
| 11:00.40 | pzs | because it's not the newest version, and I need the newest version |
| 11:00.45 | angelgabriel | Guerin: Yeah, I googled ... but I used search terms mailman debian apache howto |
| 11:01.03 | pzs | I can't quite understand why apt is saying there are no new versions for a whole bunch of packages when clearly there are |
| 11:01.12 | Guerin | pzs: you NEED the newest version for some specific functionality, or you just want it to be 1337? |
| 11:01.14 | jm_ | pzs: there aren't |
| 11:01.22 | petemc | pzs: apt-cache policy packagew |
| 11:01.35 | pzs | petemc: what does that do? |
| 11:01.36 | Guerin | pzs: what version of debian? |
| 11:01.43 | petemc | pzs: suck it and see |
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| 11:01.56 | pzs | petemc: I don't like typing random commands without knowing what they're going to do |
| 11:01.58 | kerpal | bash: column 1: " cat cmds | awk {'print $6'} " column2 cat cmds |awk -F \' {print $2} " how do i combine the two commands or atleast combine the two columns? |
| 11:02.01 | pzs | rm -rf * "suck it and see" |
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| 11:02.04 | petemc | pzs: so read the fucking man page |
| 11:02.15 | pzs | Geeze, I only asked |
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| 11:02.17 | pzs | calm down |
| 11:02.25 | jm_ | kerpal: that maks no sense |
| 11:02.30 | Guerin | pzs: you want help, you get it. just have a little faith |
| 11:02.40 | pzs | OK, sorry. |
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| 11:02.59 | kerpal | jm_: im unsure how to formulate the question... |
| 11:03.23 | jm_ | kerpal: then describe how your input looks like and what you want from it |
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| 11:05.31 | beezly | pzs: are you trying to install a package from a different release of debian? |
| 11:05.37 | Guerin | ph33r the hamsters with assault rifles |
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| 11:05.44 | kerpal | jm_ you in flood? |
| 11:05.48 | jm_ | kerpal: no |
| 11:06.04 | cagdas | anyone here know anything about linux? |
| 11:06.07 | pzs | beezly: I don't think so |
| 11:06.15 | Guerin | cagdas: no, we all use windows |
| 11:06.18 | petemc | cagdas: nah |
| 11:06.23 | kerpal | jm_ can you meet me thier? |
| 11:06.23 | streuner | cagdas: just ask. |
| 11:06.23 | _ebase_ | buahaha |
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| 11:06.45 | Eaglered | When I try to run a php file from the web server, it tries to save the file, but I have php4 installed with apache support |
| 11:06.46 | pzs | ok, apt-cache policy tells me the candidate is the older version, but lists the newer version in the Version table. |
| 11:06.59 | jm_ | Eaglered: read the docs |
| 11:07.03 | beezly | pzs: which release are you running? |
| 11:07.12 | Guerin | pzs: you haven't answered me: why do you NEED the new version, and what release of debian are you using? |
| 11:07.14 | g4lt | cagdas what is this....linux...you speak of? |
| 11:07.32 | pzs | I'm running release 3.0 |
| 11:07.35 | Eaglered | good answer :D |
| 11:07.38 | streuner | !tell cagdas about guidelines |
| 11:07.50 | beezly | pzs: and what version are you tring to install of that package? |
| 11:08.01 | coolsi | how can i reinstall a package with dpkg? |
| 11:08.02 | Guerin | !tell pzs about backports |
| 11:08.07 | directhex | i think we need to add an onjoin thing to apt along the lines of when root or r00t does, for when knoppix does. |
| 11:08.10 | jm_ | coolsi: read the FAQ |
| 11:08.17 | coolsi | heh |
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| 11:08.29 | Guerin | directhex: the idea's been raise many a time |
| 11:08.33 | pzs | I want to install hpoj-0.91 |
| 11:08.40 | pzs | it wants me to install 0.8 |
| 11:08.42 | Eaglered | jm_ thats a good answer for everything ah? :) |
| 11:08.48 | streuner | cagdas: ask in channel |
| 11:08.50 | directhex | Guerin, nobody said i was original \o/ |
| 11:08.54 | beezly | pzs: your problem is that 0.91 isn't available for debian 3.0 |
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| 11:08.58 | Guerin | pzs: did you read the fuckign factoid I sent you? |
| 11:09.07 | pzs | Yes, I did, and it answered my question, thank you. |
| 11:09.17 | jm_ | Eaglered: mostly, cd /usr/share/doc/<package_name>/README.Debian |
| 11:09.18 | pzs | You guys are pretty touchy, huh? |
| 11:09.20 | Guerin | directhex: as has the idea of an auto-redirect to knoppix |
| 11:09.25 | sussudio | !tell pzs about badgers |
| 11:09.28 | petemc | Eaglered: you'll find if you ask jm_ an informed question that shows you've at leats tried to solve it yourself he'll be most helpful |
| 11:09.37 | coolsi | jm_: no offence, but the PackageManagement FAQ says nothing about reinstalling a package |
| 11:09.43 | Eaglered | ;) |
| 11:09.44 | Guerin | pzs: only when you don't listen to us, believe us, or ask proper questions |
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| 11:10.43 | pzs | OK. I appreciate your lack of patience, but there is such a thing as courtesy. Apologies if I annoyed you. |
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| 11:10.55 | housetier | when I start X, the large "X"-shaped cursor does not move nor disappear but stays in the middle of the window. I have a working albeit white cursor (as opposed to the one from artwiz-cursor). How do I get rid of that stuck "X"? Would reinstalling artwiz-cursor solve the "problem" with the shape/color of the cursor? |
| 11:11.36 | streuner | housetier: are you sure you use the right protocol? |
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| 11:12.21 | sussudio | !britsnack |
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| 11:12.30 | jm_ | coolsi: it does |
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| 11:12.39 | housetier | streuner using the right protocol for what? The mouse does work, I see its (unusally white) cursor moving when I move the mouse. |
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| 11:13.07 | sussudio | Error: spambot? |
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| 11:13.39 | sussudio | mentor: we have spambot! |
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| 11:13.51 | coolsi | jm_: heh, my bad :| |
| 11:14.03 | sussudio | well, we _had_ spambot |
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| 11:15.08 | sussudio | !tell FieldySnuts about badgercam |
| 11:15.11 | coolsi | right |
| 11:15.18 | Kempston| | how can i talk to person logged into same machine ? |
| 11:15.18 | coolsi | i'm trying to use jdk1.1 |
| 11:15.22 | Kempston| | talk seems not working for me |
| 11:15.26 | coolsi | the original install with apt-get failed |
| 11:15.37 | streuner | housetier: can you show us a screenshot of it? |
| 11:15.39 | coolsi | and whenever i try to remove, install or reinstall it i get the following erro |
| 11:15.39 | coolsi | dpkg: error processing jdk1.1 (--remove): |
| 11:15.39 | coolsi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.39 | coolsi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.40 | dpkg | coolsi: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 11:16.02 | coolsi | it's telling me to reinstall, but it won't let me do the reinstall :| |
| 11:16.15 | directhex | jdk1.1? why something that old? |
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| 11:16.23 | coolsi | heh |
| 11:16.27 | coolsi | i need it for something else |
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| 11:16.35 | coolsi | the thing is, i can't use apt-get anymore |
| 11:16.39 | coolsi | because this always happens |
| 11:16.43 | sussudio | THE_D4RK_0N3: the sp4m one? |
| 11:16.47 | coolsi | with this package |
| 11:16.51 | FieldySnuts | @kill badgercam |
| 11:16.53 | THE_D4RK_0N3 | no |
| 11:16.58 | THE_D4RK_0N3 | im human :] |
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| 11:17.08 | yang | "make" depends on which package? |
| 11:17.13 | Anthro | Anyone know if bug #169624 is ever going to get fixed? It's been outstanding for a year and a half. |
| 11:17.26 | sussudio | THE_D4RK_0N3: it probably doesn't help the way you did your nick in all caps and with numbers and coming from yugoslavia |
| 11:17.30 | jm_ | coolsi: remove it, then install new version |
| 11:17.33 | PDani | and how much time it take to upload this new libcupsys2-gnutls10? |
| 11:17.37 | coolsi | jm_: i can't remove it |
| 11:17.38 | beezly | coolsi: does 'dpkg --remove jdk1.1' work? |
| 11:17.39 | coolsi | that's the problem |
| 11:17.44 | sussudio | mentor: it was klined i think |
| 11:17.46 | housetier | streuner not anymore... the "X" *just now* disappeared :) and I wondered how to include the mouse cursor in a screenshot. It seems a little less excitement would have sufficient for this "problem" :) |
| 11:17.48 | THE_D4RK_0N3 | thats what i like |
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| 11:17.53 | mentor | spiffy. |
| 11:18.03 | FieldySnuts | Anthro: user error |
| 11:18.08 | coolsi | dpkg: error processing jdk1.1 (--remove): |
| 11:18.09 | coolsi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.09 | coolsi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:18.09 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, coolsi |
| 11:18.13 | coolsi | same error ^^ |
| 11:18.14 | Anthro | FieldySnuts: Pardon? |
| 11:18.15 | coolsi | heh |
| 11:18.16 | Maddas | bah, blackdown java depends on the java-common package :-( |
| 11:18.18 | Maddas | (I think{) |
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| 11:21.12 | yang | "make" depends on which package? bash: make: command not found |
| 11:21.31 | dnc | yang: apt-get install make |
| 11:22.46 | petemc | yang: install build-essential |
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| 11:25.19 | sussudio | yangggg |
| 11:25.31 | Anthro | So FieldySnuts seemed to be indicating that there was a workaround to bug #169624 (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=169624). Does anyone know what that workaround is? |
| 11:25.34 | jm_ | coolsi: use force flags |
| 11:25.41 | asg | sussudio: yinnnnnnnnnnnnwangtek |
| 11:25.48 | sussudio | !dbugs 169624 |
| 11:25.52 | dpkg | #169624:N[smbfs] smbfs: user-mounted SMB filesystem only unmountable by root |
| 11:26.19 | sussudio | asg: badgercammm |
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| 11:29.31 | dnc | damn, seems i can't figure out how configuring/fixing mouse cursor startup-notification with gnome... |
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| 11:30.23 | dnc | someone here that use gnome can confirm me that on sid starting applications change the mouse cursor? |
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| 11:30.32 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Profound. |
| 11:30.32 | aXp | hi all! |
| 11:30.59 | ricky_clarkson | dnc: What the hell is mouse cursor startup-notification? |
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| 11:31.17 | asg | ricky_clarkson: that's not the half of it :) |
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| 11:32.18 | streuner | ricky_clarkson: i wonder whats the effect is... ;-) |
| 11:32.18 | aXp | i've got a pegasus ethernet usb device and it's working almost fine but i always get an error: driver/usb/net/pegasus.c: intr status -84. i tried different kernel version but it doesn't semm to solve the problem any hints or has anyone got the sam problem? |
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| 11:32.27 | paraX | i just finished compiling my kernel, and i can't find any System.map-<kernel>. DId i missed something? |
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| 11:32.41 | dnc | ricky_clarkson: the mouse cursor should change and show a busy animation, i think... =) |
| 11:32.46 | mosty | parax, make modules ; make modules_install ? |
| 11:33.00 | paraX | already did make modules |
| 11:33.20 | ricky_clarkson | dnc: Wow, that's a *really* trivial problem. Try #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 11:33.58 | paraX | oh shit, i missed the make modules_install-part |
| 11:33.58 | mosty | dnc: are you deciding to upgrade to sid based on the fact that your pointer changes when you start programs or not? |
| 11:33.59 | paraX | ty |
| 11:34.41 | dnc | ricky_clarkson: yeah i know =) i'll follow your advice and try to ask to #gnome |
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| 11:36.22 | redcliffe | hi - how do you configure the exim4 package to accept connections from other hosts? mine only seems to work from localhost, and i can't find the setting to change that |
| 11:36.32 | ygnome | dnc: hang on, I'll try sid + gnome 2.6 here |
| 11:36.38 | dnc | mosty: nah, i'm running sid from slink time, i've saw some redhat box at the university and found it a nice effect =) |
| 11:36.58 | Maddas | blech, I think Java just doesn't like me, at least installing it the way the bot suggested didn't work (I'll try again) |
| 11:37.18 | ygnome | dnc: yes, it does. changes to an animated ball cursor while the app loads. |
| 11:37.22 | ricky_clarkson | Maddas: Install Java from java.sun.com, Java packages in Debian are shitty shit things. |
| 11:37.30 | Maddas | ricky_clarkson: That's what I tried! |
| 11:37.42 | mosty | dnc... uhh, slink? you should upgrade that to woody, not sid. and gnome would probably be unbearably slow on such an old computer |
| 11:37.44 | ricky_clarkson | Well it works for millions of other people, what went wrong, Maddas? |
| 11:37.51 | Maddas | I got the .bin, removed the disk-space checking and checksum-calculating part and tried to run it |
| 11:37.55 | Maddas | Let me try again to give you the exact error message |
| 11:38.15 | Maddas | (downloading it again) |
| 11:38.26 | mosty | redcliffe: what kind of connections? do you mean relaying?\ |
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| 11:38.35 | ricky_clarkson | Maddas: While you're downloading, see whether this helps: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/getStarted/cupojava/ |
| 11:38.36 | koofi | Can anyone tell me the correct fstab entry to mount my win2k box? This works from konqueror. smb://hyper.emr.scsu.edu/homes$ |
| 11:38.42 | redcliffe | mosty, just a tcp/ip connection - atm it just says connection refused |
| 11:38.45 | Maddas | ricky_clarkson: I will, thanks |
| 11:38.48 | dnc | Maddas: i haven't the link at hand but i've used an unofficial package (j2se-package) to install the sun j2sdk |
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| 11:39.19 | Maddas | dnc: Was it self-contained or did it download the file from Sun when called? |
| 11:39.20 | dnc | mosty: i mean, i'm running sid from the time slink was the stable debian |
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| 11:39.30 | Maddas | my Debian doesn't have internet access, so it matters :-) |
| 11:39.43 | mosty | redcliffe: relaying is where other machines send mail through your mail server, even if it isn't mail for a domain your server is supposed to receive (ie it can forward mail on)... is this what you want to do? |
| 11:40.05 | dnc | Maddas: it use the tarball from sun, don't recall if download automatically |
| 11:40.07 | mosty | dnc: slink is ancient. iirc it's about 3 stable releases old |
| 11:40.30 | Delph | Maddas: sun dont allow distribution of it other than from their servers, and i believe academic mirrors for academic use. but dont quote me on the last one. |
| 11:40.47 | dnc | mosty: sorry for my english, i mean i'm running sid from 1997 |
| 11:40.58 | caphuso | sid from 1997 is also ancient... |
| 11:41.11 | dnc | =) |
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| 11:41.26 | Anthro | I believe dnc is saying that he has been using an up-to-date unstable system starting in 1997. |
| 11:41.30 | Maddas | Delph: Yeah, that's why I don't find many selfcontained things not from Sun :) |
| 11:41.35 | mosty | dnc: i'd upgrade your software, but only after you've upgraded the hardware |
| 11:41.42 | redcliffe | mosty, no at the moment when i try to connect to it as an smtp server it completely rejects the connection as if it's not listening on that interface |
| 11:41.46 | dnc | Anthro: yeah =) |
| 11:42.08 | Guerin | dnc: use "since" sid since 1997 |
| 11:42.20 | dnc | my english skill sucks |
| 11:42.30 | mosty | redcliffe: let me get this straight: do you know what "relaying" is? |
| 11:42.48 | redcliffe | mosty, yep |
| 11:42.50 | Delph | Maddas: what in the world is wrong with just downloading it from sun and running it? |
| 11:42.50 | Guerin | dnc: nah, yours is pretty good. Since is a subtle thing |
| 11:42.58 | redcliffe | mosty, firstly i need to get a connection to the smtp server though |
| 11:43.03 | redcliffe | mosty, it's as if the port is closed |
| 11:43.09 | Maddas | Delph: I can't get it to work that way |
| 11:43.17 | mosty | redcliffe: the port probably _is_ closed on that interface |
| 11:43.21 | redcliffe | mosty, if i go telnet my.server.com 25, i get connection refused |
| 11:43.28 | Anthro | Maddas: You are trying to get Sun's Java working? |
| 11:43.29 | Delph | Maddas: why not? |
| 11:43.31 | redcliffe | mosty, yep - i'm trying to figure out how to open it |
| 11:43.33 | ircdevil | ok, i am trying to compile apache on two different debian boxes. on box 1 it works. on box 2, configure does not generate a makefile. the difference in the messages from box1 and box2 is this line from box2: sed: -e expression #44, char 50: Unknown option to 's' |
| 11:43.39 | ircdevil | now, what is going on? |
| 11:44.06 | ricky_clarkson | Delph: Maddas is downloading it again so that he can get the error message. |
| 11:44.17 | Delph | ricky_clarkson: aaah |
| 11:44.20 | mosty | redcliffe: i haven't used exim4 much, but exim3 had a setting that was the list of interfaces to listen on |
| 11:44.30 | dnc | Maddas: found the link http://www.z42.de/debian/ |
| 11:44.31 | Delph | i was confused at the talk of removing the error detection and checksumming. |
| 11:44.32 | Maddas | Delph: I'll try again in a bit, takes a while, give me a few minutes :-) |
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| 11:44.40 | ircdevil | same tarball |
| 11:44.43 | ricky_clarkson | Maddas: Lesson of the day, don't delete stuff until you've finished with it ;) |
| 11:44.51 | mosty | redcliffe: and i think it had another setting that was a list of machines/networks to relay for |
| 11:44.52 | redcliffe | mosty, yep |
| 11:45.00 | Maddas | ricky_clarkson: I thought I might have had an incomplete download or something :-) |
| 11:45.05 | redcliffe | mosty, yep - in exim4 that's the acls |
| 11:45.13 | KiPPiA | is any order that shows you all partitions that you have? |
| 11:45.14 | redcliffe | mosty, but i can't find the binding part |
| 11:45.16 | ricky_clarkson | Maddas: Maybe Sun provides MD5sums. |
| 11:45.26 | redcliffe | anyone know how to bind exim4 to certain interfaces? |
| 11:46.10 | Anthro | redcliffe: I seem to remember being asked about that by debconf. Have you tried dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 11:46.27 | Maddas | ricky_clarkson: It does, actually, but I deleted the checksum checking part of the install script because the hard disk is terribly slow.. my fault :( |
| 11:46.31 | redcliffe | Anthro, yep - but that never asks me any questions |
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| 11:46.48 | sussudio | KiPPiA: what? |
| 11:46.49 | caphuso | redcliffe: you did try to dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, right? |
| 11:46.52 | sussudio | !tell KiPPiA about spanish |
| 11:47.05 | Anthro | redcliffe: Hm. Hang on. |
| 11:47.08 | redcliffe | caphuso, umm actually i did exim4 - i'll try that |
| 11:47.15 | caphuso | that can't work |
| 11:47.25 | caphuso | it's not supposed to either |
| 11:47.31 | stream | my debian box has a fiber NIC card, a user was downloading many images/files and it locked up the NIC... why is this |
| 11:47.34 | stream | Jun 2 06:43:35 southfayette kernel: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 11:47.34 | stream | Jun 2 06:43:35 southfayette kernel: eth0: Tx timed out (0000), is buffer full? |
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| 11:47.57 | redcliffe | ah ok found it |
| 11:48.05 | ricky_clarkson | Maddas: Don't go fcuking with the install script unless you know what you're doing. If the hard disk is slow, let it run while you go out to the shop and buy a new one. |
| 11:48.07 | redcliffe | caphuso, thanks found the option |
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| 11:48.41 | mosty | redcliffe: http://exim.planetmirror.com/exim-html-4.30/doc/html/spec_13.html#IX958 |
| 11:48.43 | Maddas | ricky_clarkson: I had to fuck with it because it checked disk space which isn't found out correctly and didn't even install otherwise |
| 11:48.54 | Maddas | (I'm trying the deb of dnc together with the official Sun binary now) |
| 11:49.07 | redcliffe | mosty, thanks found the option now |
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| 11:49.35 | Anthro | redcliffe: So what interface do you want to bind to? |
| 11:49.44 | redcliffe | Anthro, eth0 |
| 11:49.50 | ricky_clarkson | Maddas: Why can't it find out the disk space properly? |
| 11:49.57 | redcliffe | Anthro, so i've just added it's IP address in the bind to addresses thing |
| 11:50.00 | redcliffe | in debconf |
| 11:50.07 | petemc | redcliffe: theres an interface option for the smtp transport |
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| 11:50.11 | Anthro | redcliffe: Okay. And it isn't working? Or what? |
| 11:50.13 | dnc | Maddas: the package isn't my, i've only used once =) |
| 11:50.20 | Maddas | ricky_clarkson: No idea, I suspect because I'm running it under Virtual PC (Which is why it is so slow and it doesn't have internet access) |
| 11:50.29 | redcliffe | Anthro, no it's working now - caphuso pointed me to the correct option |
| 11:50.42 | Anthro | redcliffe: Ah. Okay. Good. |
| 11:50.44 | redcliffe | thanks everyone |
| 11:51.01 | redcliffe | lol |
| 11:51.07 | caphuso | petemc: any specific reason? |
| 11:51.08 | Kempston| | how do i chat with peolpe on same machine ? |
| 11:51.12 | ricky_clarkson | Maddas: Are you using Debian under Virtual PC simply because you want to use Linux /in/ Windows? |
| 11:51.15 | ricky_clarkson | Kempston|: talk |
| 11:51.18 | Maddas | ricky_clarkson: No. |
| 11:51.19 | petemc | caphuso: yes, its hard to read |
| 11:51.27 | Anthro | petemc: I suspect I would, too, if I ever had any reason to modify it by hand. |
| 11:51.30 | Maddas | ricky_clarkson: I would find that very silly |
| 11:51.30 | Kempston| | ricky_clarkson talk doesn't wotk and it's gay anything else ? |
| 11:51.40 | ricky_clarkson | Kempston|: IRC. |
| 11:51.50 | hettar | I'm trying to get hotplug to recognise some of my multimedia keys but it doesn't work. I have done a setkey code for the keys but I still don't get the key presses. ANy suggestions ? |
| 11:51.51 | Kempston| | ricky_clarkson anyhting serverless ? |
| 11:51.56 | ricky_clarkson | Talk does work, it's been working for 30 years you stupid git. |
| 11:51.57 | caphuso | petemc: try less >:-) |
| 11:52.09 | ygnome | Kempston|: talk |
| 11:52.13 | jm_ | hettar: hotplug ? you need something like hotkeys |
| 11:52.17 | Kempston| | ricky_clarkson not for me write does work but it's even more gay |
| 11:52.20 | ricky_clarkson | Kempston|: You can echo stuff to someone else's terminal - /dev/tty1 etc. |
| 11:52.25 | petemc | caphuso: thanks for the tip, i'll stick with my exim3 script coverted with conver4r4 tho :) |
| 11:52.37 | ricky_clarkson | Kempston|: Fuck off. |
| 11:52.37 | Kempston| | maybe somethinglike echat ? |
| 11:52.37 | ricky_clarkson | !tell Kempston| about gay |
| 11:52.41 | hettar | jm_: I am using hotkeys, but it doesn't seem to get the key events. |
| 11:53.08 | jm_ | hettar: check with xev first |
| 11:53.20 | Kempston| | i've tried echat and it seems liek what i need but when i launch 3nd copy it says bind failed |
| 11:53.20 | caphuso | petemc: that one fucked up my ~/.emailaddress hack |
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| 11:53.36 | Maddas | dnc: oh boo, that one has many prerequisites, I'll try again without and resort to using it if it doesn't work without :-) |
| 11:53.51 | Delph | Kempston|: i think you need one with dictionary support built in. Use an ircd. They're good. |
| 11:53.56 | hettar | jm_ It seems to get them |
| 11:53.59 | petemc | caphuso: yeah, its not perfect, but its still my preference over all those silly (imo) debconf variables |
| 11:54.03 | interoz | caphuso: hello. i run fetchmail but i dont know where should i check to see how often it's called. where is it? |
| 11:54.07 | jm_ | hettar: there's another daemon like hotkeys |
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| 11:54.36 | caphuso | interoz: man 5 crontab |
| 11:54.47 | interoz | caphuso: thanks alot. how are things, btw? |
| 11:54.48 | dnc | interoz: /etc/default/fetchmail maybe |
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| 11:55.07 | kerpal | jm_; thx, althought you where right originally some of it didn't benefit from the syntax..... ... |
| 11:55.12 | Maddas | Ok, the error the install process dies with is "./install.sfx.244: cannot execute binary file" |
| 11:55.19 | jm_ | kerpal: http://freshmeat.net/projects/xbindkeys/ |
| 11:55.24 | caphuso | interoz: still waiting for a non-broken motherboard and really bored |
| 11:55.32 | hettar | jm_ thanks, I'll give it a try |
| 11:55.35 | interoz | dnc: guess not, but thanks for the try :) |
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| 11:56.03 | interoz | caphuso: oh, didn't know you got one broken. good luck |
| 11:56.47 | ricky_clarkson | Maddas: But the install process should be a .bin not a .sfx |
| 11:56.47 | Maddas | ricky_clarkson: Yes, it is. |
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| 11:56.59 | Maddas | The install process creates a .sfx, it seems. |
| 11:57.12 | ricky_clarkson | Maddas: If you edited the install script you probably changed the location within the script of the start of the binary. |
| 11:57.18 | Maddas | (I get past agreeing to the license terms, it unpacks and extracts) |
| 11:57.20 | Maddas | Hm, I see. |
| 11:57.26 | caphuso | interoz: i don't need luck. i need reliable shipping. oh, wait, i do need luck... or maybe a virgin and a couple of goats to sacrifice |
| 11:57.30 | Coke | Any nice utilities for display the lastlog? Like searching for everybody who was logged in during a certain period or who logged off before a time? |
| 11:57.39 | Maddas | I'll try |
| 11:57.40 | ricky_clarkson | Maddas: So make sure the file size is the same before and after your edits. |
| 11:57.48 | Maddas | modifying the install script only by overwriting characters, then :-) |
| 11:57.55 | Maddas | Ok, thanks. |
| 11:57.56 | ricky_clarkson | You can just pad with spaces. |
| 11:58.15 | Maddas | Ah, yeah, since I only delete anyway |
| 11:58.47 | interoz | caphuso: hope you won't kill the virgins too :) |
| 11:59.11 | guimaraes | opa |
| 11:59.34 | kerpal | irritate kerpal |
| 11:59.42 | kerpal | dpkg irritate kerpal |
| 11:59.42 | dpkg | kerpal: Help me, i use knoppix and it's debian!!!!!!! |
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| 11:59.51 | Maddas | haha |
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| 12:00.21 | sussudio | BLaSt: spammmm |
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| 12:00.56 | kerpal | irritate BlaSt |
| 12:01.05 | kerpal | dpkg irritate BlaSt |
| 12:01.05 | dpkg | BlaSt: hi, how do i configure my xserver?!?!?!?!?! |
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| 12:02.03 | daxxar | hwo do i set the title of my terminal? |
| 12:02.13 | ricky_clarkson | daxxar: Terminal-specific. |
| 12:02.31 | mosty | daxxar: there's an xterm-title mini howto i think |
| 12:02.36 | daxxar | oh, ok. well, this is via putty :) |
| 12:02.40 | daxxar | or, well. screen. |
| 12:02.49 | caphuso | daxxar: not a problem |
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| 12:03.17 | daxxar | screen remembers some terminal-title from a box i SSHed to, and it's kinda annoying that it says "someuser@somebox", when i'm actaully daxxar@localhost ;P |
| 12:03.17 | Howk | çäðàâñòâóéòå ìàëü÷èêè, çäðàâñòâóéòå äåâî÷êè |
| 12:03.25 | daxxar | !confuse Howk |
| 12:03.26 | dpkg | yes, what are your pants yesterday, Howk ? by order of the republic of tahiti with extra ham |
| 12:03.29 | _ebase_ | anyone here know how to send lines from a file into a netcat session? like i do a nc -v -l 2000 and when someone connects it sends lines from a text file to that connection? |
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| 12:04.15 | daxxar | should i look at the xterm-title mini howto? :D |
| 12:04.35 | hinjo | what's the name of the file in which you can allow root to log in to kde? |
| 12:04.36 | mosty | daxxar: yes |
| 12:04.49 | daxxar | okay :) |
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| 12:05.06 | Maddas | Hi |
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| 12:05.24 | paraX | did anyone tried to install a AVM b1 ISDN-card? |
| 12:05.25 | teppi82 | hi * |
| 12:05.43 | paraX | i have some troube "making" it |
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| 12:07.13 | sussudio | DiLek, fas! spam! |
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| 12:07.37 | teppi82 | Have you ever try apt-get install acme ? The system says some packages (of gnome) will be remove. Is it ok? |
| 12:07.49 | sussudio | haha |
| 12:08.44 | fishynet | how would I go about doing wireless on 2.6? wlan-ng? builtin kernel modules? |
| 12:08.48 | teppi82 | sussudio: what's wrong? |
| 12:09.26 | mosty | fishynet: depends on the card you have |
| 12:09.35 | directhex | i think acme is deprecated on gnome 2.6 |
| 12:09.37 | fishynet | Prisim |
| 12:09.39 | fishynet | 2.5 |
| 12:09.59 | kerpal | dpkg htfswk fishynet |
| 12:09.59 | dpkg | fishynet: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 12:10.06 | mosty | fishynet: the prism54.org driver is in 2.6 from 2.6.6 (or 2.6.5) onwards |
| 12:10.21 | Kempston| | what i wanted is linchat |
| 12:10.22 | fishynet | thanks |
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| 12:14.18 | daxxar | thanks mosty, just what i was looking for? |
| 12:14.39 | daxxar | s/?/!/ |
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| 12:16.48 | mosty | daxxar: i put similar stuff in my shell login scripts everywhere, makes it harder to forget which terminal is on which machine |
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| 12:17.36 | _ebase_ | hey whats some cool looking bash prompts? |
| 12:17.49 | daxxar | yeah, i just went over and did that on the boxes at home. i'll most likely do it on other machines where i frequently work too :-P |
| 12:18.02 | daxxar | (sorry for typoes, thiis ssh lags badly sometimes) |
| 12:18.06 | koofi | when i try this i get "could not change permissions" while copying a file and access denied when i try to delete a file. //winbox/share /mnt/share smbfs rw,credentials=/home/joe/winbox-credentials.txt 0 0 any ideas? |
| 12:18.27 | directhex | you need to set some permissions masks on it, koofi |
| 12:18.36 | directhex | hang on, i'll dredge up mine |
| 12:18.50 | mosty | koofi: methinks smbfs doesn't support unix permissions |
| 12:18.58 | directhex | rw,user,credentials=/home/directhex/.smbpass,fmask=666,dmask=777 |
| 12:19.08 | directhex | you can't change permissions, but you can delete files |
| 12:19.11 | directhex | and write them |
| 12:19.28 | koofi | So how do i set it up so I can read and write files without error messages ? |
| 12:19.46 | directhex | koofi, don't do what i just pasted, whatever you do! i pasted it for fun |
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| 12:20.08 | Shadur | directhex: That sounds like the stupidest umask possible on a mount. |
| 12:20.10 | daxxar | this, even. and i didn't make any typoes, wow. i wrote like those two lines blindly :P |
| 12:20.20 | daxxar | (wlan stopped) |
| 12:20.27 | directhex | Shadur, pray tell why? |
| 12:20.36 | koofi | directhex, then why did you paste it |
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| 12:20.50 | Shadur | directhex: Allowing full access to world to every file on that share? Tsk. |
| 12:21.07 | koofi | i only want me the user to have access |
| 12:21.16 | koofi | sounds like directhex is giving bad advice |
| 12:21.23 | daxxar | !confuse koofi |
| 12:21.24 | dpkg | yes, how is my hamster today, koofi ? by order of the monarchy of mongolia with extra cream |
| 12:21.27 | geel | gah. |
| 12:21.35 | geel | the installer won't start on my comp >:( |
| 12:21.53 | mosty | koofi: try uid=yourlocalusername |
| 12:21.53 | LSorensen | geel: which computer hardware and which debian installer |
| 12:22.11 | koofi | so what should the entire line look like? |
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| 12:22.20 | geel | digital pws 433a (that's an alpha) and i'm trying to start the woody installer |
| 12:22.23 | Shadur | koofi: Use your imagination before it atrophies. |
| 12:22.23 | koofi | i have this: //winbox/share /mnt/share smbfs rw,credentials=/home/joe/winbox-credentials.txt 0 0 |
| 12:22.25 | geel | lsorensen, that was for you |
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| 12:22.30 | directhex | yes, koofi, yes i am. if you'll excuse me, i've got some files to delete on my samba share |
| 12:22.35 | ricky_clarkson | Maddas: Any joy? |
| 12:22.39 | paraX | i canÄt kill a process, is there a command with mor power then kill? |
| 12:22.49 | daxxar | kill -9! :D |
| 12:22.50 | geel | lsorensen, in the MILO> -prompt i say boot hdd:/boot/linux |
| 12:22.51 | beezly | paraX: kill -9 |
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| 12:23.03 | geel | i see the dmesg-stuff coming |
| 12:23.05 | geel | and then |
| 12:23.06 | mosty | koofi: after the credentials stuff, add ",uid=yourlocaluser,gid=yourlocaluser" |
| 12:23.14 | Maddas | ricky_clarkson: Trying, I just returned |
| 12:23.16 | geel | VFS: Disk change detected on device 22/64 |
| 12:23.18 | koofi | ok, thanks mosty |
| 12:23.27 | geel | Max size: 300448 Log zone size:2048 |
| 12:23.33 | Shadur | koofi: It wasn't bad advice per se - it'd allow you to do what you want - but 'good' isn't the term either since it'd allow everyone else on your box to do whatever they want on that share as well |
| 12:23.39 | geel | First datazone:48 Root inode number 98304 |
| 12:23.46 | koofi | gotcha |
| 12:23.48 | paraX | ok worked |
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| 12:23.51 | geel | ...Image loaded into memory, entry @ 0xfffffc0000310000 |
| 12:23.55 | geel | and it jams there |
| 12:24.20 | daxxar | hm, i've tried both apm and acpi, but during shutdown -h, it gives me some weird errors about write-cache (for my hds), and then my hd spins down, spins up again and spins down. Then it shuts off. |
| 12:24.27 | daxxar | Anyone got any idea why? |
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| 12:25.14 | koofi | mosty, it works! yay |
| 12:25.19 | koofi | thanks a zillion |
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| 12:26.12 | LSorensen | daxxar: never seen that. which kernel version? |
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| 12:26.33 | daxxar | 2.6.6. |
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| 12:26.55 | LSorensen | daxxar: which model HD? |
| 12:27.21 | daxxar | hda: WDC WD800BB-32CCB0, ATA DISK drive |
| 12:27.21 | daxxar | hdb: Maxtor 6Y120P0, ATA DISK drive |
| 12:27.27 | daxxar | not sure which one does the spinnin'. |
| 12:28.25 | Maddas | ricky_clarkson: It's doing things it never did before, yay! Thanks a lot :-) |
| 12:28.38 | ricky_clarkson | Maddas: np. |
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| 12:29.24 | Maddas | worked. Wee :-) |
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| 12:29.36 | sussudio | daxxar: install smartmontools and see if they say anything |
| 12:31.27 | SpiralArchitect | How do I work around the Gnome Login box? It wont let me log in as "root". |
| 12:31.28 | LSorensen | daxxar: well if you had the excact text of the message, you could search google for it and see if anything pops up. without the excact string it's hard to find stuff |
| 12:31.56 | LSorensen | spi: use xdm or kdm instead? or configure gdm to allow root logins in its config file. |
| 12:32.10 | Guerin | SpiralArchitect: don't log into gnome as root |
| 12:32.16 | Guerin | SpiralArchitect: just don't |
| 12:32.28 | Maddas | ricky_clarkson: FYI (Just in case you wondered), I'm running OS X but need to run a binary that only runs on Linux on x86. |
| 12:32.28 | daxxar | sussudio: Okay |
| 12:32.40 | Maddas | I don't have any x86 around, and since x86 is a requirement, dual-booting won't work :- |
| 12:32.40 | Maddas | ) |
| 12:32.41 | LSorensen | SpiralArchitect: Yeah like Guerin says, don't run X as root. |
| 12:32.54 | daxxar | LSorensen: Can't remember it exactly, it only shows for a few secs before PC shuts down. Perhaps I should try writing it down :) |
| 12:33.04 | SpiralArchitect | I just want to do it, shortly, to move a file |
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| 12:33.13 | directhex | open a terminal & su |
| 12:33.13 | LSorensen | Maddas: no virtual PC like thing? |
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| 12:33.18 | Guerin | SpiralArchitect: mv <file> <newfile> |
| 12:33.19 | HayArms | Hi all |
| 12:33.20 | LSorensen | daxxar: perhaps |
| 12:33.54 | Maddas | LSorensen: Yes, I'm running Debian in Virtual PC. |
| 12:33.59 | HayArms | Excuse me Guys |
| 12:34.08 | SpiralArchitect | hmmm.....I'm really beginning to not like Sarge. I think Im going back to Woody |
| 12:34.08 | HayArms | I have to ask you something |
| 12:34.09 | LSorensen | Maddas: ehm, ok, that seems silly. |
| 12:34.13 | Guerin | HayArms: you're excused, now ask |
| 12:34.19 | LSorensen | Maddas: would run way faster native ppc debian |
| 12:34.23 | Guerin | SpiralArchitect: why? |
| 12:34.26 | HayArms | I've used debian for 5 months |
| 12:34.28 | HayArms | SID |
| 12:34.30 | HayArms | Thanks :D |
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| 12:34.39 | HayArms | Some days ago |
| 12:34.43 | Guerin | !enter |
| 12:34.43 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 12:34.45 | g4lt | !enter |
| 12:34.59 | HayArms | I've installed Windows in order to try a program |
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| 12:35.16 | SpiralArchitect | Sid is stable enough, for use? |
| 12:35.16 | g4lt | !spit it out HayArms |
| 12:35.17 | dpkg | for god's sake, HayArms, SPIT IT OUT ALREADY! |
| 12:35.27 | HayArms | A day I've rebooted debian |
| 12:35.30 | Guerin | SpiralArchitect: not right now it isn't |
| 12:35.31 | newbie_ | Hy all! Can anyone please tell me why is debian best linux distribution for internet security?? Sorry about bad english. |
| 12:35.32 | mosty | spiralarchitect: for a home machine yes. for a production machine no |
| 12:35.36 | HayArms | And stopped at : |
| 12:35.48 | HayArms | Starting the internet superdaemon: inetd |
| 12:35.48 | mosty | newbie: read the security announce mailing list |
| 12:35.50 | Guerin | SpiralArchitect: but if you're prepared to fix breakage now and again, it's good |
| 12:35.55 | tell | !stfu HayArms |
| 12:35.56 | dpkg | SHUT THE FUCK UP HayArms! |
| 12:35.58 | Guerin | !tell SpiralArchitect about sid faq |
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| 12:36.01 | LSorensen | Maddas: the neatest setup I think on a PowerMac, is running Debian PPC, and then using the MacOnLinux program to run Mac OS X natively in a window on Linux |
| 12:36.04 | ricky_clarkson | HayArms: No actual errors? |
| 12:36.11 | HayArms | No, only freeze |
| 12:36.25 | ricky_clarkson | HayArms: Can you boot to single user mode? |
| 12:36.25 | HayArms | Ehm |
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| 12:36.42 | newbie_ | Does anyone know when is Debian Sarge going out? |
| 12:36.43 | HayArms | No , but I can start the system with kernel 2.4.18 |
| 12:36.48 | HayArms | Not with 2.6.6 |
| 12:36.50 | LSorensen | newbie_: when it's ready |
| 12:36.59 | greycat | !works in 2.4 |
| 12:36.59 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 12:37.14 | Maddas | grr |
| 12:37.17 | HayArms | I think that all started up when I've update the system with apt-get |
| 12:37.32 | HayArms | the libc6 package has been updated |
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| 12:37.42 | LSorensen | HayArms: so the kernel doesn't use libs |
| 12:37.43 | greycat | that has nothing to do with your kernel |
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| 12:37.48 | HayArms | And after that I wasn't able anymore to start the system |
| 12:37.53 | HayArms | I know guys |
| 12:37.59 | HayArms | But the system locks up at |
| 12:38.02 | HayArms | Starting the internet superdaemon: inetd |
| 12:38.10 | Maddas | Where do .so files usually locate, if that question can be answered so generally? |
| 12:38.11 | HayArms | The kernel is initialized yet |
| 12:38.16 | LSorensen | HayArms: ah, well perhaps inetd is broken. which debian version? |
| 12:38.17 | daxxar | asd |
| 12:38.20 | ricky_clarkson | Maddas: lib directories. |
| 12:38.21 | HayArms | SID |
| 12:38.22 | greycat | apt-get leads to updates... updates lead to changes... changes lead to bugs... bugs lead to *suffering* |
| 12:38.32 | HayArms | :/ |
| 12:38.41 | g4lt | suffering leads to !sympathy |
| 12:38.42 | jm_ | Maddas: man ld.so, but binaries can have their own rpath specified |
| 12:38.46 | g4lt | !sympathy |
| 12:38.46 | greycat | Maddas: .so symlinks usually live in /usr/lib |
| 12:38.46 | dpkg | ask me about dict sympathy, as that's as close as a sid user gets to getting sympathy from me when things break. |
| 12:38.50 | HayArms | I've tried to reinstall debian |
| 12:38.52 | Maddas | Ok |
| 12:39.00 | HayArms | And all seemed to work ok |
| 12:39.00 | koofi | mosty, now it won't let me delete the files i copied |
| 12:39.02 | daxxar | dpkg, dict sympathy |
| 12:39.04 | dpkg | Dictionary 'sympathy' (2 shown; 15 total): 5. A tendency of inanimate things to unite, or to act on each other; as, the sympathy between the loadstone and iron. [R.] ;; 3. Kindness of feeling toward one who suffers; pity; commiseration; compassion.. |
| 12:39.13 | Guerin | HayArms: the good thing about sid is that if you wait, it will fix itself |
| 12:39.13 | daxxar | :-P |
| 12:39.17 | LSorensen | HayArms: well sometimes things on sid break. That's part of running sid |
| 12:39.19 | paladin_ | dpkg, dict lart |
| 12:39.21 | mosty | koofi: what permissions on the files? |
| 12:39.21 | dpkg | Dictionary 'lart' 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "lart" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" LART |
| 12:39.29 | HayArms | Yes, I think I'll have to wait |
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| 12:39.41 | koofi | hmm |
| 12:39.43 | LSorensen | HayArms: sometimes you go read the bug list for a package and find an explanation |
| 12:39.50 | HayArms | what version are you using guys? |
| 12:39.59 | HayArms | I've tried |
| 12:40.05 | greycat | sid at home on the desktop, stable at work on the server. |
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| 12:40.21 | koofi | perms are drwxr-x--- 9 bercikj bercikj 4096 Apr 19 08:19 ruby/ |
| 12:40.22 | sussudio | Cannot: spammy! |
| 12:40.29 | HayArms | But neither in LIBC6 bug list neither into INETD one the bug is listed |
| 12:40.31 | FRA|Ben_one | hi i serche url for update (debain woody) in the sources.list |
| 12:40.34 | sussudio | greycat: spot the spambot |
| 12:40.35 | Guerin | sussudio: how can you tell? |
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| 12:40.40 | thomas_adam | koofi: what's uo? |
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| 12:40.41 | mosty | koofi: that's a directory, what about the files? |
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| 12:40.46 | koofi | and my fstab is //myserver/homes$ /mnt/hypertension smbfs rw,credentials=/home/bercikj/hypertension-credentials.txt,uid=bercikj,gid=bercikj 0 0 |
| 12:40.51 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ppp6-254.mol.com.mk] by greycat |
| 12:40.54 | sussudio | Guerin: 7th sense |
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| 12:41.01 | koofi | thomas_adam, ? |
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| 12:41.18 | Guerin | sussudio: and here I thought it was just the bagders telling you... |
| 12:41.28 | sussudio | Guerin: them too |
| 12:42.00 | Maddas | Is there any system-wide way of setting PATH? |
| 12:42.12 | greycat | !system wide |
| 12:42.12 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 12:42.14 | mosty | maddas: /etc/profile or /etc/bashrc |
| 12:42.16 | Guerin | FRA|Ben_one: sorry, you're not making sense. You want to update woody? |
| 12:42.20 | Maddas | Thanks |
| 12:42.25 | Maddas | greycat: I'm the only user :- |
| 12:42.26 | Maddas | ) |
| 12:42.34 | FRA|Ben_one | when i fo apt-get update |
| 12:42.40 | Guerin | Maddas: set it for yourself then |
| 12:42.43 | greycat | mosty: the former won't work with csh users, or *dm logins. The latter won't work with non-bash users, and possibly console logins (not sure). |
| 12:42.44 | FRA|Ben_one | E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 12:42.47 | Maddas | And for root |
| 12:42.51 | thomas_adam | mosty: Wrong -- /etc/profile, also it's /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 12:43.02 | greycat | Maddas: no, do NOT fuck with root's path. |
| 12:43.08 | Maddas | Ok |
| 12:43.17 | mosty | greycat: most admins would say "if you use a different shell, you're smart enough to set your own path" |
| 12:43.21 | Guerin | FRA|Ben_one: change mirrors. |
| 12:43.26 | koofi | I get Could not remove folder |
| 12:43.32 | Guerin | !mirrors |
| 12:43.32 | thomas_adam | !+folder |
| 12:43.32 | dpkg | mirrors is probably at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 12:43.33 | dpkg | folder is probably a directory damn it! or near My Computer and Network Neighborhood, or the things you put in a filing cabinet |
| 12:43.33 | g4lt | greycat IOW, let him screw up all the bash users ;P |
| 12:43.46 | FRA|Ben_one | yes but can you give me mirroirs |
| 12:43.54 | Guerin | FRA|Ben_one: ^^ |
| 12:43.55 | FRA|Ben_one | thx |
| 12:43.58 | greycat | mosty: I disagree; the *csh users in my experience are the *less* clever ones. They want *csh because "they've always used it" and aren't willing or able to learn. |
| 12:43.58 | Guerin | !thx |
| 12:43.59 | dpkg | np lol |
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| 12:44.24 | FRA|Ben_one | i habe this : |
| 12:44.28 | FRA|Ben_one | i have this : |
| 12:44.29 | FRA|Ben_one | deb ftp://mir1.ovh.net/debian/ stable main |
| 12:44.29 | FRA|Ben_one | deb-src ftp://mir1.ovh.net/debian/ stable main |
| 12:44.29 | FRA|Ben_one | deb ftp://mir1.ovh.net/debian-non-US stable/non-US main |
| 12:44.29 | FRA|Ben_one | deb-src ftp://mir1.ovh.net/debian-non-US stable/non-US main |
| 12:44.29 | FRA|Ben_one | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
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| 12:44.34 | LSorensen | greycat: It would take a serious problem to not realize the problems with *csh |
| 12:44.34 | sussudio | !badger FRA|Ben_one |
| 12:44.35 | dpkg | FRA|Ben_one: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 12:44.37 | greycat | FRA|Ben_one: run apt-setup |
| 12:44.40 | aZ[a]ZeL | yay no spambots today |
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| 12:44.45 | greycat | aZ[a]ZeL: wrong. |
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| 12:44.55 | greycat | 08:40 ~ greycat set +b *!*@ppp6-254.mol.com.mk on #debian |
| 12:45.04 | LSorensen | aZ[a]ZeL: You missed it by 4 minutes |
| 12:45.04 | sussudio | greycat: that was about the 18th today |
| 12:45.10 | Guerin | FRA|Ben_one: just look at the list of mirrors in the above factoid and pick one near you |
| 12:45.21 | mosty | grepper: let the admin pick the default shell, i say |
| 12:45.24 | Guerin | FRA|Ben_one: or do apt-setup and choose from a list |
| 12:45.26 | aZ[a]ZeL | ahh, lucky me |
| 12:45.27 | mosty | er, greycat |
| 12:45.34 | FRA|Ben_one | oki thx |
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| 12:45.50 | LSorensen | mosty: so default it bash, smart people with too much time on their hands can use zsh |
| 12:45.54 | g4lt | mosty nuts, if you have a shell on the system, let the users choose their own |
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| 12:46.12 | mosty | g4lt: sure, let them choose their own. but pick a default |
| 12:46.15 | SpiralArchitect | Another quick question, and I know it sounds stupid, but how do I add more sources, to APT? |
| 12:46.22 | greycat | SpiralArchitect: man sources.list |
| 12:46.32 | SpiralArchitect | thank you :D |
| 12:46.32 | g4lt | mosty I even ive them the choice of /bin/flase, but I've enver actually had anyone CHOOSE it ;P |
| 12:46.33 | LSorensen | spi: apt-setup, or edit sources.list according to it's man page |
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| 12:47.20 | mosty | g4lt: if you admin any reasonable number of users, surely some prefer bash variants, and others csh variants. and probably ksh/zsh'es |
| 12:47.39 | greycat | "bash variants"? |
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| 12:47.50 | xenohugs | foosh barsh bazsh |
| 12:47.51 | thomas_adam | habs is a good bash variant, |
| 12:47.55 | mosty | s/bash variants/bourne variants/" |
| 12:48.01 | g4lt | greycat surprisingly, ther ARE variants of bash |
| 12:48.03 | gregj | guys, what will be the fastest way to create chroot with unstable on stable system ? |
| 12:48.21 | thomas_adam | gregj: how fast can you type? |
| 12:48.22 | LSorensen | gregj: cdebootstrap or debootstrap? |
| 12:48.25 | gregj | thomas_adam: ;] |
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| 12:48.34 | greycat | gregj: mkdir /unstable; copy everything into it; chroot into it; vi /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 12:50.39 | gregj | greycat: well, I am not going to copy whole sever into it |
| 12:50.40 | gregj | ;) |
| 12:50.47 | greycat | gregj: debootstrap, then |
| 12:50.54 | gregj | but I used to have issues with it in past |
| 12:51.28 | sussudio | greycat: that was another one |
| 12:51.44 | greycat | sussudio: I suspected it might be, but parting and joining is a pain. |
| 12:51.47 | gregj | what's on earth 'slink' is |
| 12:51.50 | greycat | !slink |
| 12:51.51 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 12:51.54 | sussudio | greycat: i think it got klined |
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| 12:52.01 | gregj | greycat: :-) |
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| 12:52.11 | gregj | !potatoe |
| 12:52.11 | Maddas | Yay, the actual program finally works. Lots of kudos to everybody that helped :) |
| 12:52.12 | dpkg | IT'S POTATO DAMMIT!! P-O-T-A-T-O!!, or please learn to spell better than Dan Quayle |
| 12:52.19 | gregj | !potato |
| 12:52.19 | dpkg | it has been said that potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 12:52.20 | gregj | :> |
| 12:52.24 | gregj | hmm |
| 12:52.52 | gregj | debootstrap contains support only for : potato sid slink woody |
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| 12:52.58 | thomas_adam | It would be interesting to know approximately how many people are using slink and/or potato. |
| 12:52.58 | ronny | hi, im using the web interface of cups and it works fine, but is there a way to turn off the need to login each time? |
| 12:53.00 | gregj | no unstable nor testing |
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| 12:53.04 | LSorensen | gregj: then you need a newer debootstrap version |
| 12:53.09 | greycat | sid IS unstable, duh. |
| 12:53.15 | LSorensen | gregj: sarge=teasting, sid=unstable |
| 12:53.23 | gregj | ok |
| 12:53.29 | gregj | thanks folks, you rock |
| 12:53.30 | thomas_adam | ronny: read the comments in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
| 12:53.42 | g4lt | LSorensen calling Dr. Freud? "teasting"? ;P |
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| 12:53.57 | LSorensen | gregj: now it may still be too old and out of date to actually install sarge/testing. You may still need a newer one |
| 12:54.11 | ronny | thomas_adam: well, i've greped it for "login" but no results |
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| 12:54.20 | gregj | LSorensen: apt-get.org or something ? |
| 12:54.25 | TuxSurfer | hi room :) |
| 12:54.28 | LSorensen | gregj: www.backports.org has it |
| 12:54.31 | gregj | I'll give it a try |
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| 12:54.49 | Guerin | dpkg, teasting is <reply> <g4lt> LSorensen calling Dr. Freud? "teasting"? ;P |
| 12:54.49 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
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| 12:55.32 | lnx | wich package contains ndbm header pls? |
| 12:55.35 | greycat | I know what "teats" are, of course. |
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| 12:55.43 | g4lt | greycat it's a tease-test ;P |
| 12:55.50 | zamolxes | how do I setup the destination of messsages from stderr? |
| 12:55.59 | greycat | zamolxes: 2> |
| 12:56.05 | Romano | hello, i'd only like to know what are the requirements for vga=791 in lilo.conf ... |
| 12:56.15 | thomas_adam | Romano: vi |
| 12:56.28 | zamolxes | greycat, can't i setup a global error file for all programs? |
| 12:56.30 | thomas_adam | Oh, and a brain. |
| 12:56.33 | greycat | zamolxes: no. |
| 12:56.43 | greycat | thomas_adam: and a kernel. |
| 12:56.43 | thomas_adam | zamolxes: eh? |
| 12:56.47 | Romano | thomas_adam: i forgot |
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| 12:56.57 | Romano | requirements about the 2.6.x kernel :) |
| 12:56.57 | thomas_adam | greycat: Well, let us assume that much at... hmm, maybe not. |
| 12:57.08 | zamolxes | greycat, oh, i knew about the 2> redirect, of course, but i just wanted all programs to write errors in a logfile insted of the screen |
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| 12:57.24 | thomas_adam | zamolxes: It's per-program dependant. |
| 12:57.31 | g4lt | zamolxes why would you want to, and more importantly, how would users only be able to access the information that concerns them in said file? |
| 12:57.37 | greycat | programs inherit FD 2 from their parent. |
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| 12:58.05 | greycat | since you logged in (I will assume for the moment) on a console, using getty, your shell inherited FD 2 = /dev/tty from getty. |
| 12:58.26 | zamolxes | aha, i see |
| 12:58.36 | greycat | if you got a shell inside an x-terminal-emulator, then it inherited FD 2 = /dev/tty from the x-terminal-emulator which created the pseudo-tty |
| 12:58.43 | sussudio | there goes another one |
| 12:58.56 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Updates on badger-cam? |
| 12:59.02 | TuxSurfer | i got a d/l´d copy of a Debian "SID" build 20031207 ... tryed to install but the syslog is telling me that there are libraries missing. like libc6 aso... are there known probs with this build ?? |
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| 12:59.07 | Romano | so in fact my question is : what do i need to compile in the 2.6.x kernel to be able to use the vga=791 mode of lilo ? |
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| 12:59.15 | zamolxes | thanks |
| 12:59.21 | greycat | TuxSurfer: duh. /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 12:59.40 | g4lt | TuxSurfer whoever gave you a sid install disk is not doing you any favors. |
| 12:59.42 | LSorensen | Romano: vesafb support |
| 12:59.46 | greycat | "I found a six month old copy of `sid' on a CD-R lying in the street. I'm going to use it for a server!!1!" |
| 12:59.50 | kerpal | dpkg faqsmite TuxSurfer |
| 12:59.50 | dpkg | TuxSurfer: GO READ THE FAQ!! It's at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- greycat and others have SLAVED for HOURS to make a FAQ that answers your question and you don't even bother to read it! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:59.53 | Romano | thank u LSorensen |
| 12:59.55 | Romano | i'll try :) |
| 13:00.07 | g4lt | THERE IS NO OFFICIAL WAY TO INSTALL SID, FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME |
| 13:00.20 | LSorensen | Romano: remember it is quite likely to interfere with X drivers, unles you use the X fb driver |
| 13:00.32 | thomas_adam | dpkg, sid is also <g4lt> THERE IS NO OFFICIAL WAY TO INSTALL SID, FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME |
| 13:00.33 | dpkg | thomas_adam: okay |
| 13:00.34 | Romano | hum |
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| 13:00.43 | Guerin | greycat: it's old, it must be stable! |
| 13:00.46 | TuxSurfer | did not know those links ... 10x i´ll try there :) |
| 13:00.47 | greycat | heh |
| 13:00.52 | tamere | anyone could remind me how to downgrade a package ? |
| 13:00.53 | kerpal | captain obvious g4lt |
| 13:00.57 | Romano | may be that's why i couldn't compile the proprietary nvidia driver |
| 13:01.05 | LSorensen | tamere: do you have the older .deb around? |
| 13:01.07 | thomas_adam | kerpal: That's needed. |
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| 13:01.08 | kerpal | dpkg captain obvious g4lt |
| 13:01.10 | sussudio | thomas_adam: no, spambots |
| 13:01.11 | g4lt | kerpal no fair. I wrote that one |
| 13:01.12 | LSorensen | tam: if so dpkg -i file.deb |
| 13:01.12 | greycat | kerpal: it's impossible to be *too* obvious in #debian. |
| 13:01.14 | tamere | LSorensen: no |
| 13:01.18 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Ah. |
| 13:01.19 | zamolxes | greycat, how do i see messages written to stderr by a kernel module then? what parent does that have? |
| 13:01.23 | kerpal | lol |
| 13:01.25 | LSorensen | tam: then where do you expect the package to come from? |
| 13:01.25 | Romano | so it's better not to compile "Support for Frame-Buffer devices" ? |
| 13:01.29 | greycat | zamolxes: kernels don't have stderr. |
| 13:01.31 | thomas_adam | zamolxes: Oh, brother. |
| 13:01.37 | tamere | LSorensen: debian archives maybe ? |
| 13:01.39 | greycat | !klogd |
| 13:01.40 | dpkg | hmm... klogd is the kernel log daemon, which takes kernel messages from dmesg and feeds them to syslog, or to stop non-critical kernel messages appearing on the console, make sure klogd is installed, then edit /etc/init.d/klogd and add "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable. then /etc/init.d/klogd force-reload |
| 13:01.58 | LSorensen | tamere: only from previous debian releases, not previous package versions of testing/unstable |
| 13:02.03 | LSorensen | tamere: which debian version? |
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| 13:02.22 | tamere | LSorensen: testing |
| 13:02.23 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 13:02.24 | LSorensen | tam: did you check in /var/cache/apt/archives/ for an older version? |
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| 13:02.29 | kerpal | im almost tempted to write a php frontend for apt if someone could host it and give it the priv ;) .. apt/dpkg kick ass |
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| 13:02.47 | LSorensen | kerpal: and a php frontend would be of what use? |
| 13:02.48 | tamere | LSorensen: yes, not there |
| 13:02.52 | zamolxes | thomas_adam, no I don't belive we are. brothers that is. if you think this is such trivial information, sorry, maybe you know where can i read stuff about it from and stop bothering you.. i just don't know this stuff, and thats'that |
| 13:02.55 | thebug | why would you want random people playing with apt on your system from the web |
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| 13:02.56 | ribnitz | heyas, I am despairing over trying to add a cups printer to windows? |
| 13:02.57 | LSorensen | tam: and why do you need an older version? |
| 13:02.57 | thebug | ? |
| 13:03.04 | geel | argh.. |
| 13:03.13 | geel | i just installed debian on my alpha. |
| 13:03.13 | Guerin | lso |
| 13:03.18 | LSorensen | ribnitz: which win version? |
| 13:03.21 | geel | i made a ~20MB partition for booting |
| 13:03.23 | Guerin | lso: is your tab key broken? |
| 13:03.26 | geel | and it's fat16 |
| 13:03.27 | tamere | LSorensen: because some debian maintainer puts untested packages available for download ;-) (and being an idiot I installed it) |
| 13:03.30 | geel | (ermt |
| 13:03.32 | kerpal | LSorensen: it would just show all of his knowledge and provide an easy way to add into him, while also *possible* being able to dynamically create faqs.. |
| 13:03.35 | ribnitz | LSorensen: win2k |
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| 13:03.52 | LSorensen | tam: well try this: apt-get install packagename/testing |
| 13:04.12 | greycat | kerpal: we HAVE an easy way to "add into him" already. |
| 13:04.12 | tamere | LSorensen: thx, I'll try this. |
| 13:04.13 | geel | i installed debian on my alpha (using alphabios), made a 20MB partition for booting (filesystem is fat16), and now when i try to boot it from milo with "boot sda:" it just says unknown filesystem on device sda0 |
| 13:04.21 | thomas_adam | apt-get install -t testing foo |
| 13:04.25 | kerpal | LSorensen: another advantage is one could see all of his smites.. their a billion + 1 reasons.. |
| 13:04.26 | LSorensen | ribnitz: win2k has a bug that causes it to fail with many cups printers if their descriptive name (in the ppd file used for the printer) contains certain characters (like + and such I believe). |
| 13:04.39 | kerpal | greycat: true.. Im just really diggin him tonight. |
| 13:04.42 | tamere | LSorensen: already latest version |
| 13:04.44 | mosty | geel, should it be sda0 or sda1? |
| 13:04.45 | ribnitz | LSorensen: its called 'hplj' |
| 13:05.03 | kerpal | greycat: he is just a blootbot right? |
| 13:05.03 | geel | mosty, sda1 really. |
| 13:05.11 | greycat | !what are you |
| 13:05.11 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 13:05.19 | Guerin | kerpal: "just" a blootbot indeed |
| 13:05.20 | geel | mosty, but it does the same when i say "boot sda1:" |
| 13:05.23 | LSorensen | ribnitz: in windows you should be able to add the printer as a network printer on the url: http://servername:631/printers/shortprintername |
| 13:05.28 | kerpal | lol sorry |
| 13:05.34 | Guerin | !lol |
| 13:05.34 | thebug | !lol |
| 13:05.34 | dpkg | i guess lol is Laugh{s,ing} Out Loud. A laugh sound is not spelled "lol" nor is "lol" punctuation. If you want to quickly indicate that you're laughing, use "heh" or "haha" in the first person and "lol" or "is lol" in the third person ("/me"). See also: ne1, u, ur. |
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| 13:05.36 | ribnitz | LSorensen: SLPReg of "hplj" failed with status -20 |
| 13:05.44 | thebug | Guerin: ;) |
| 13:06.02 | LSorensen | ribnitz: is that what windows says? |
| 13:06.03 | Guerin | thebug: race you to the groupthink factoid... |
| 13:06.04 | jm_ | ribnitz: check CUPS logs, perhaps it doesn't allow you to access it |
| 13:06.05 | geel | mosty, actually it says: "[MS-DOS FS Rel. 12,FAT] |
| 13:06.12 | geel | MILO: unknown filesystem on device sda1 |
| 13:06.13 | thebug | Guerin: you're on |
| 13:06.21 | kerpal | dpkg rumsfelsmite Guerin |
| 13:06.21 | dpkg | i don't know, kerpal |
| 13:06.22 | LSorensen | ribnitz: yeah make sure you configured cups to allow others to use it as a print server |
| 13:06.38 | ricky_clarkson | rumsfeld is his name. |
| 13:06.45 | kerpal | dpkg rumsfeldsmite Guerin |
| 13:07.03 | greycat | dpkg, CMD: rumsfeldsmite (.*?) =~ s/combattant/combatant/ |
| 13:07.04 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 13:07.32 | Guerin | !eviscerate kerpal |
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| 13:07.34 | Guerin | !ping |
| 13:07.34 | dpkg | kerpal was eviscerated by a fiend. S/he will not be mourned. |
| 13:07.59 | kerpal | dpkg meepsmite Guerin |
| 13:08.01 | ricky_clarkson | !fishsmite guerin |
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| 13:08.14 | Guerin | oh, double-teaming now, are we? |
| 13:08.20 | Guerin | !gothsmite kerpal |
| 13:08.25 | Guerin | !alicekill ricky_clarkson |
| 13:08.32 | kerpal | dpkg canuckshite guerin |
| 13:08.33 | dpkg | wish i knew, kerpal |
| 13:08.35 | greycat | OK, enough bot abuse. |
| 13:08.44 | kerpal | dpkg canucksmite guerin |
| 13:08.47 | kerpal | sorry |
| 13:08.49 | Guerin | greycat: roger that |
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| 13:08.58 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Philip that. |
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| 13:09.23 | mish | I'm happy enough with Debian now to never go back to my Windows partition, I just tried Gnome and it felt way too bloated, I'm using Fluxbox with Docker, but I'd like the nice <ALT-TAB> task manager that you get with "OpenBox" is there any way to get Docker + a taskbar like Fluxbox + <ALT+TAB> task management like OpenBox? |
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| 13:10.25 | thomas_adam | mish: ask in #fluxbox |
| 13:10.30 | mish | Cheers |
| 13:10.44 | thebug | mish: read the fluxbox docs, it's fairly straightforward to add that keybinding |
| 13:10.44 | ricky_clarkson | mish: You can use metacity without using the rest of Gnome, btw. |
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| 13:10.47 | The_Vulture | exit |
| 13:10.59 | gregj | well, debootstrap downloaded whole sid, but fails on extracting |
| 13:11.00 | Nacilos | hello everyone, i really need help |
| 13:11.05 | beezly | I'm sure I remember gnome panel clock showing me entries from evolution-1.5 calendar and task list, but now there's nothing there. any ideas on how to turn it on? |
| 13:11.07 | kerpal | my audio crackles when watching video in noatun, im using alsa.. anyone offer any help it killing crackle? |
| 13:11.14 | Guerin | ricky_clarkson: metacity is awful though - can't disable animations ... must disable animations... |
| 13:11.16 | thomas_adam | ricky_clarkson: Yes, but that's like having a bouncy castle, and tnen trying to bounce on a whoopy-cushion. |
| 13:11.19 | kerpal | it doesnt do it in winblows. |
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| 13:11.30 | greycat | !be alsa barbie |
| 13:11.31 | dpkg | Making the interface work the same for all different cards is HARD! |
| 13:11.31 | Nacilos | i have problems with php4 and some images libraries and php4-gd |
| 13:11.34 | LSorensen | kerpal: using alsa for sure? which sound card? |
| 13:11.46 | ricky_clarkson | Guerin: Can't you disable animations in gconf? |
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| 13:11.49 | greycat | that's too subtle. :-/ |
| 13:12.03 | thebug | I like !be compaq barbie better |
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| 13:12.12 | geel | hmh |
| 13:12.13 | geel | soooo! |
| 13:12.19 | geel | it's just milo what's on the fat-partition? |
| 13:12.20 | Guerin | ricky_clarkson: I couldn't in my brief dalliance with gnome 2.2 ... maybe you can now. |
| 13:12.20 | geel | right? |
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| 13:12.29 | drakeman | hello |
| 13:12.30 | kerpal | 2.6 kernel built with also modules, im not sure which module im using. but i did have to run alsa config to get sound, so yes fairly sure its alsa |
| 13:12.31 | Nacilos | please anyone can help me about a php, gd, images problem with debian? |
| 13:12.35 | greycat | geel: huh? |
| 13:12.37 | geel | hmh |
| 13:12.41 | kerpal | snd_intel8x0 |
| 13:12.52 | LSorensen | kerpal: hmm, so crappy onboard ac97? |
| 13:12.53 | drakeman | is there a way to mount cd images? |
| 13:12.55 | kerpal | looks like the module im using. |
| 13:12.59 | geel | someone who has experience with alphas (&alphabios+milo) and debian, privmsg me |
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| 13:12.59 | kerpal | LSorensen: yeah :( |
| 13:13.00 | geel | pls |
| 13:13.01 | mosty | nacilos, not unless you're more specific |
| 13:13.03 | greycat | drakeman: mount -o loop myfile.iso /mnt |
| 13:13.05 | LSorensen | kerpal: what level is your volume at? |
| 13:13.11 | kerpal | low |
| 13:13.17 | Nacilos | ! |
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| 13:13.20 | kerpal | hardware of software? |
| 13:13.23 | greycat | !don't msg me |
| 13:13.23 | dpkg | DON'T SEND PRIVATE MESSAGES TO PEOPLE WITHOUT INVITATION! |
| 13:13.28 | greycat | hmm, not that one. |
| 13:13.29 | LSorensen | kerpal: I tend to use around 75% on master and pcm, and use the speakers to amplify anything beyond that |
| 13:13.39 | drakeman | greycat: thanks |
| 13:13.40 | mish | brb |
| 13:13.41 | greycat | !msg me |
| 13:13.41 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. |
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| 13:13.48 | beezly | Guerin: metacity has a "reduced_resources" gconf entry |
| 13:13.54 | alele- | how can i block 6667 port in iptables? |
| 13:13.59 | beezly | disables anims, uses wireframes etc |
| 13:14.13 | mauve_ | iptables -t INPUT -p 6667 -j DROP? |
| 13:14.25 | g4lt | alele- you're asking on IRC how to iptables off IRC? ;) |
| 13:14.27 | LSorensen | kerpal: could also be crappy speakers, or a cpu that's too slow to handle the codec you are playing |
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| 13:14.54 | mentor | alele-: The information on howto do this should be in man iptables... |
| 13:14.55 | Guerin | beezly: ah, well, i'll retract my anger at metacity then. I was too useless to use gconf at the time I tried gnome, though |
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| 13:15.12 | greycat | Ah, there's an opening! |
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| 13:15.15 | kerpal | hmm, it works well in winblows. im using a centrino 1.4ghz 512mb ram, toshiba harmom karmon speaks |
| 13:15.28 | arturaz | hi. hmm, anyone has small 80x15 powered by debian banner? images.google.com didn't find one.. |
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| 13:15.45 | beezly | Guerin: heeh |
| 13:15.46 | greycat | dpkg, private is <reply> NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd. |
| 13:15.47 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 13:15.51 | jm_ | arturaz: it was posted to debian mailing lists a few years ago |
| 13:15.53 | LSorensen | kerpal: not sure what else it could be. Make sure the alsa libs are at least the version of the drivers |
| 13:16.07 | kerpal | cpu spike is 20 - 30% <-- exageration |
| 13:16.20 | jm_ | arturaz: search for debian-issue.sh |
| 13:16.24 | LSorensen | kerpal: what program are you playing with? |
| 13:16.30 | kerpal | LSorensen: will check on that. Can you tell me a good procedure before i go thumbing around. |
| 13:16.33 | geel | greycat, well. |
| 13:16.44 | geel | greycat, i've got no idea how to boot my installation from milo |
| 13:16.50 | geel | i know the root partition is sda3 |
| 13:16.52 | kerpal | LSorensen: noatun, but i think i hear the garble within kde events too. |
| 13:16.52 | jm_ | arturaz: or do you want graphical 80x15 one ? |
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| 13:17.07 | arturaz | jm_, graphical, to put to my web |
| 13:17.08 | LSorensen | kerpal: cat /proc/asound/version for driver version: dpkg -l libasound2 for lib version, dpkg -l alsa-utils for utils version. utils and libs are allowed to be a bit newer than the drivers |
| 13:17.14 | ricky_clarkson | Guerin: Dunno, the animations don't bother me. I'm in Windows right now though, so I'm unsure. |
| 13:17.22 | LSorensen | kerpal: could be an arts bug. try mplayer and kill artsd! |
| 13:17.24 | greycat | geel: what architecture are you on? |
| 13:17.27 | geel | greycat, alpha |
| 13:17.33 | LSorensen | kerpal: or xmms for music |
| 13:17.45 | jm_ | arturaz: http://www.nl.debian.org/logos/ |
| 13:17.45 | Guerin | ricky_clarkson: i just hate them because I'm on a slow machine with weak video, and the refresh is noticable |
| 13:17.50 | drakeman | greycat: will this command also mount cuesheets? |
| 13:18.00 | drakeman | greycat: or should i mount the .bin file? |
| 13:18.03 | greycat | drakeman: if that means ".BIN/.CUE", then no. |
| 13:18.19 | opqdonut | i |
| 13:18.21 | LSorensen | drakeman: those you have to write to cd first |
| 13:18.21 | drakeman | greycat: oh, is there any way to mount those? |
| 13:18.27 | opqdonut | sry |
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| 13:18.29 | drakeman | LSorensen: oh :( |
| 13:18.35 | greycat | burn them to a CD, then rip the CD to an .iso file. |
| 13:18.42 | LSorensen | drakeman: cdrdao can do that. or if they are plain data cd's in the first place, binchunk can turn them into an iso |
| 13:18.43 | geel | greycat, i know that my sda1=the fat partition with milo, sda2=swap, sda3=root |
| 13:18.54 | greycat | geel: I don't know alpha. |
| 13:18.54 | tarzeau | has someone got some ftp/http space for gnu-kfreebsd-20040602.tar.bz2 (50mb) |
| 13:19.15 | drakeman | LSorensen: ok, ill try... thanks |
| 13:19.15 | opqdonut | i have a problem: sometimes when i start quake2 either quake2 or X segfaults |
| 13:19.19 | Guerin | tarzeau: yeah |
| 13:19.20 | kerpal | <g> 1.0.4rc2 for /proc/asound/version and libasound is 1.0.4-1 |
| 13:19.26 | geel | i tried "boot sda3:/boot/vmlinuz initrd=/boot/initrd.img root=/dev/sda3" |
| 13:19.33 | jm_ | drakeman: there's unofficial kernel patch for mounting them as well |
| 13:19.35 | geel | but do those files reside there? |
| 13:19.37 | Guerin | just let me set the perms for anon, hang on |
| 13:19.37 | thebug | geel: you may want to ask abrotman your question if he's around |
| 13:19.44 | LSorensen | kerpal: well I think that's ok then. artsd is a likely problem then. or noatun (like much of kde) just sucks perhaps |
| 13:19.47 | tarzeau | Guerin: thanks |
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