| 00:00.12 | ebry-st | 4 |
| 00:00.22 | lazarus | illuminati: you have to "umount /cdrom" (not unmount) before you can ejct it later, if you want to change it |
| 00:00.23 | chimaera | *lol* |
| 00:01.00 | green-ears | jammin: the copy you have may be beta 2 or 3 now its beta 4 so its getting better and its very good |
| 00:01.12 | jammin | right, ok |
| 00:01.21 | jammin | thanks again, ill try that |
| 00:01.22 | lazarus | sn't b4 old now? it's rc1? |
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| 00:01.24 | somiaj | illuminati: if you want to have users (not root) mount things you'll have to either type 'ln -fs /dev/hdb /dev/cdrom' or modify fstab to point the at /dev/hdb for the cdrom device |
| 00:01.24 | jammin | bye |
| 00:01.30 | guestSTAR567 | i get cp: reading `upback.str': Input/output error when cp a file from /mnt/dvd . any idea ? |
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| 00:01.40 | somiaj | illuminati: then you'll be able to mount with the 'mount /cdrom' comman as any user |
| 00:01.46 | kastermester | somiaj: ill try now, I'll come again when I'm able to :) |
| 00:01.49 | newbie | hi everyone |
| 00:01.53 | somiaj | kastermester: ok, we'll be here |
| 00:01.53 | somiaj | (: |
| 00:01.55 | green-ears | jammin: just wait i find you another link that will help |
| 00:02.05 | maalox | I have my serial_core module loaded, but I am still unable to send anything to my serial port. It tells me that /dev/ttyS0 doesn't exist. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? |
| 00:02.14 | lazarus | illuminati: you're now a cd expert, welcome to linux and debian :) |
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| 00:02.25 | newbie | how do I connect to a DEBIAN box from Win2k? |
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| 00:02.31 | lazarus | newbie: ssh |
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| 00:02.39 | mwilson | Connect to it how? |
| 00:02.45 | lazarus | newbie: ssh clints include teraterm and putty |
| 00:03.05 | newbie | do I install teraterm and putty on my windows box? |
| 00:03.20 | lazarus | newbie: sure, but that's not something we cover in #debian |
| 00:03.34 | lazarus | newbie: one *or* the other, putty is popular |
| 00:03.35 | illuminati | thx |
| 00:03.38 | illuminati | :D |
| 00:04.07 | tummen | would you guys recommend someone not much familiar with linux...to make it its main OS and skip win totally? |
| 00:04.13 | lazarus | newbie: some "chiark" site to d/l it, ask google for putty.exe |
| 00:04.21 | lazarus | tummen: sure |
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| 00:04.25 | green-ears | jammin: have a read of the howto its focus on woody but it should be of help http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 |
| 00:04.30 | newbie | I've got secureCRT installed on my Win2k machine, do I need to have a server running on the Debian in order to connect, guys? |
| 00:04.38 | lazarus | tummen: *if* they can read ;) |
| 00:04.52 | tummen | lazarus: hehe...well...even though im swedish...i can read :) |
| 00:05.00 | mwilson | tummen: Why wouldn't you just use Windows? |
| 00:05.10 | lazarus | newbie: that can be an ssh client too. yes, apt-get install ssh, ,to run "sshd" (openssh daemon) |
| 00:05.13 | illuminati | root@NAVI:/home/navi# ln -fs /dev/hdb /dev/cdrom |
| 00:05.15 | illuminati | root@NAVI:/home/navi# mount /cdrom |
| 00:05.15 | illuminati | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, |
| 00:05.15 | illuminati | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.15 | illuminati | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.15 | illuminati | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:05.21 | macpato | tummen: that's what i did, do or die, learned really fast. |
| 00:05.28 | tummen | mwilson: well im interested in learning more about linux and its advantages...and to learn more bout puters at all |
| 00:05.36 | mwilson | tummen: The important thing is to get the work done. |
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| 00:05.53 | lazarus | tummen: debian is good, anything other than ms is a good starting point, but i'd say debian |
| 00:05.55 | illuminati | sorry for the overflow |
| 00:05.56 | illuminati | :( |
| 00:05.57 | directhex | tummen, for your own tinkering, or for some n00b to check their mail? |
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| 00:06.25 | tummen | directhex: its for my own fun and learning |
| 00:06.36 | illuminati | ok |
| 00:06.36 | newbie | thanks, lazarus.. i'll give it a try. |
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| 00:06.52 | green-ears | jammin: the best bits in the howto for you would be the xserver setup and howto install xserer with apt-get and howto install kde with apt-get |
| 00:06.53 | lazarus | tummen: if you want freebsd or something, your learning curve will be much steeper and reading is even more necessary |
| 00:07.00 | illuminati | first i enter in root |
| 00:07.05 | illuminati | then |
| 00:07.17 | tummen | lazarus: nah im goin for debian if anyfin...ive been using that alittle atleast |
| 00:07.24 | directhex | tummen, hmm. keep a few gb spare with an nt 5.x installed on it, just in case. at least to begin with |
| 00:07.26 | illuminati | i type ln -fs /dev/hdb /dev/cdrom |
| 00:07.30 | somiaj | tummen: though the freebsd does have a nice handbook if ya spend the time to read it. |
| 00:07.40 | rich_ | tummen Well if you really want to learn then it shouldnt matter what you are used to. I mean whats the worst that can happen? You have to go back to windows? If you really arre serious about wanting to learn something, thats a small price to pay. |
| 00:07.41 | illuminati | then mount /cdrom |
| 00:07.50 | tummen | directhex: well i have nothin important on my puter..so its all good :) |
| 00:07.53 | lazarus | tummen: step one, read all you can, step two ,be patient, step three, experiment, step four, go to step one |
| 00:07.55 | somiaj | illuminati: did you umount /cdrom? |
| 00:08.01 | somiaj | illuminati: you can't mount it if its already mounted |
| 00:08.07 | illuminati | ok let me try |
| 00:08.17 | tummen | yeah i have dont my share of reinstalls for many friends and myself...so thats all good |
| 00:08.21 | tummen | dont=done |
| 00:08.29 | newbie | Lazarus: i SecureFX(2_0) : Using SSH2Core v2.1.0.8 |
| 00:08.29 | newbie | i State Change: SSH_STATE_UNINITIALIZED->SSH_STATE_CONNECTING |
| 00:08.29 | newbie | i State Change: SSH_STATE_CONNECTING->SSH_STATE_CLOSED |
| 00:08.29 | newbie | i Connected for 21 seconds, 0 bytes sent, 0 bytes received |
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| 00:09.20 | tummen | settin up ip_tables is my biggest horror though heh..if i cant do it myself..i cant get on the net and ask u guys for help either :) |
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| 00:09.23 | illuminati | umount: /cdrom is not mounted (according to mtab) |
| 00:09.50 | lazarus | newbie: it looks like the problem is on the ms end, which we can't help you with in #debian |
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| 00:09.51 | newbie_ | oh |
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| 00:10.16 | lazarus | newbie_: see if some ms support channel can? |
| 00:10.19 | newbie_ | okay |
| 00:10.31 | somiaj | illuminati: ls -l /dev/cdrom (make sure its pointing at /dev/hdb) |
| 00:10.46 | lazarus | newbie_: it does appear you have an ssh protocol 2 program at each end though, which is good |
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| 00:11.00 | newbie_ | one more question. I've got a winxp machine on this network named the same as the debian box. how do I rename the network id for the debian box? |
| 00:11.12 | illuminati | ok i have to type ls -l /dev/cdro |
| 00:11.15 | illuminati | ok i have to type ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 00:11.21 | lazarus | newbie_: edit the file /etc/hostname |
| 00:11.36 | lazarus | newbie_: is that what you mean? |
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| 00:11.40 | FieldySnuts | !medal illuminati |
| 00:12.03 | illuminati | sorry :( |
| 00:12.05 | newbie_ | lazarus_I think so. that way, the network should recognize the debian box by that new name? |
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| 00:12.21 | illuminati | i know that im slow on this |
| 00:12.22 | lazarus | newbie_: right (well, the debian box will know it'sef by that name) |
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| 00:12.39 | lazarus | newbie_: i have no idea how to tell the ms box anything |
| 00:12.40 | somiaj | illuminati: as I said privisoully just be paiten, take your time and read the output of the commands people give ya (if ya trust them), before you decide what to ask next...(: |
| 00:12.43 | opp | i dont know how to get my scanner working in debian,pls advise. |
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| 00:12.55 | meff | anyone know alot about the BIOS? with linux should i say there's a pnp os installed or no? |
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| 00:12.59 | newbie_ | lazarus_Thanks. What editor do you recommend? |
| 00:13.05 | somiaj | newbie_: are you talking about the windows 'WORKGROUP' |
| 00:13.07 | newbie_ | lazarus_Not a fan of MS? |
| 00:13.15 | somiaj | meff: say no |
| 00:13.16 | bghfhfg | How do I make my system run faster and more efficiently without modifying the hardware? |
| 00:13.21 | lazarus | newbie_: by your irc nick, i'll say "nano" (apt-get install nano) :) |
| 00:13.22 | illuminati | :) |
| 00:13.32 | lazarus | newbie_: nope, not at all |
| 00:13.41 | somiaj | meff: lots of strange problems can come about saying yes there. |
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| 00:13.48 | meff | somiaj, ok, but what diff does it usually make? im having a prob with my box locking up randomly in linux |
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| 00:14.25 | newbie_ | somiaj_Ultimately I'd like to connect to the debian box via Windows Network Places, but I'm going to try and SecureCRT into it first. That's what these guys are helping me with. |
| 00:14.28 | somiaj | meff: do you want the os to assigne irq's to devices or the bios..is the main feature there, and linux expects the irq's to come from the bios |
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| 00:14.33 | edrin | hi |
| 00:14.35 | green-ears | bghfhfg: compile a kernel for the cpu family |
| 00:14.38 | illuminati | ok i just type ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 00:15.02 | tummen | nah..what the heck..ill just try a install..if i make it..ill come back in here later guys :) |
| 00:15.03 | lazarus | newbie_: btw, *if* securecrt proves impossible to find support for, try putty.exe (google for it) |
| 00:15.04 | dewa | Anyon in here who use gbgraph2 ? |
| 00:15.04 | tummen | wish me luck heh |
| 00:15.04 | illuminati | and it say lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Jun 5 20:07 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdb |
| 00:15.24 | somiaj | newbie_: you need to look into a server calsed 'samba', if you use that you can connect via the network neighborhood, and you will have to set up samba to know what workgroup its is and what name it should report itself as |
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| 00:15.33 | bghfhfg | green-ears: Did it. |
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| 00:15.51 | komitz | hi, is there a site where I can download all the howtos once (like not one by one) |
| 00:15.52 | lazarus | somiaj: wtf is a neighborhood? |
| 00:15.59 | edrin | hm |
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| 00:16.20 | edrin | i have a question |
| 00:16.22 | lazarus | komitz: apt-get install doc-linux-html |
| 00:16.34 | lazarus | komitz: apt-cache show doc-linux-html |
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| 00:16.48 | lazarus | komitz: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/* comes from that |
| 00:16.50 | somiaj | illuminati: you see, /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdb, it says that its a link pointing a /dev/hdb which is correct, so a simple yes or no would suffice with that question. |
| 00:16.51 | newbie_ | somiaj_Is samba set up on the debian box or the win? Can I just apt-get install samba? |
| 00:16.57 | lazarus | komitz: browse there with lynx :) |
| 00:17.09 | lothsahn | Anyone know why transgaming wine says "cannot load graphics driver x11drv?" |
| 00:17.17 | edrin | i installed the 2.6 kernel because my system crashed several times... anyway, the bash shell does not have normal look anymore. some ascii characters seem to be replaced by some other? |
| 00:17.19 | somiaj | newbie_: you set samba up on the linux box, as that is the server needed to talk via windows sharing protocolo (net-bios), its already built into windows... |
| 00:17.47 | edrin | can you help me? |
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| 00:18.22 | komitz | lazarus: I am on a windows box now, and I can't install it to our debian now (no root access), so I need a web site access to install them all once |
| 00:18.31 | somiaj | illuminati: next question, you should have a line like, '/dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0' in your /etc/fstab file, so cat /etc/fstab and see if its there, if its a bit different, you can modify that file with 'nano /etc/fstab' to make that line look like the one I showed you. |
| 00:18.31 | green-ears | edrin: did you compile your own ? |
| 00:18.51 | lazarus | komitz: (perhaps) tldp.org *might* have a tarball of all of them together |
| 00:19.04 | edrin | green-ears: no, i downloaded one with aptitude |
| 00:19.19 | somiaj | lothsahn: type xvinfo, does it say you have an xv device up |
| 00:19.26 | komitz | lazarus: thx |
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| 00:19.42 | illuminati | wow |
| 00:19.47 | illuminati | lol |
| 00:19.59 | lothsahn | somiaj: it gives me a lot of info. |
| 00:20.01 | lazarus | komitz: as user, you can mkdir foo ; cd foo ; apt-get source doc-linux-html and then messwith the resulting files, if desparate btw |
| 00:20.01 | komitz | lazarus: yes, they have http://www.tldp.org/docs.html#howto |
| 00:20.09 | lothsahn | somiaj: what am I looking for in particular? |
| 00:20.26 | lazarus | komitz: glad to see someone trying to read docs :) |
| 00:20.29 | somiaj | lothsahn: you could do xvinfo | less, if it gives you lots of info its probably up, just want to see if you have an xv device configured |
| 00:20.34 | Hackel | Okay, wow... I just installed Linspire for my mom...I figured it would be a nice, easy Debian-based distro, by MY GOD it sucks so much!!! |
| 00:20.48 | lothsahn | somiaj: if I run it, it gives me a lot of supported modes, basically. |
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| 00:21.00 | lazarus | Hackel: yeah, "debian-based" is not the full rich debian goodness, heh |
| 00:21.23 | green-ears | edrin: have you got grub installed |
| 00:21.31 | lothsahn | lazarus: he sure had a lot of productive things to say, eh? :P |
| 00:21.32 | komitz | I am not going to read them all though ;) just keep them for reference , but now for some specific topics |
| 00:21.32 | directhex | Hackel, yeah i thought that. i've used some nice _debian-based_ distros before, but linspire is not one of them |
| 00:21.33 | somiaj | lothsahn: ok, sounds like you have the X-Video extension working correctly, you might as in #winex to see why that device isn't loading |
| 00:21.43 | lazarus | lothsahn: heh |
| 00:21.45 | newbie_ | somiaj_when installing samba, it requires a workgroup/domain name.. should this be the same workgroup as my windows? |
| 00:21.54 | lothsahn | somiaj: okies. For instance, I can run glxgears... |
| 00:22.04 | edrin | green-ears: yes |
| 00:22.08 | lothsahn | somiaj: so if I can do that, I'm probably good? Should I have OpenGL and GLX checked in my dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 00:22.17 | somiaj | newbie_: yes, the same workgroup as your windows |
| 00:22.27 | somiaj | newbie_: or domain if you use a domain for your windows sharing |
| 00:22.52 | somiaj | lothsahn: everything sounds fine to me, I can't tell ya why its not loading, that is all I could think of |
| 00:23.00 | illuminati | ?????? you see, /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdb ???? |
| 00:23.06 | lothsahn | somiaj: thanks :) |
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| 00:23.14 | green-ears | edrin: and you still have the old image installed : and when you boot into it bash is not right ? |
| 00:23.24 | illuminati | what i have to do whit that |
| 00:23.32 | somiaj | illuminati: in that line you pasted me (scroll up), it was to help ya understand the info you saw... |
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| 00:23.36 | edrin | yes |
| 00:23.47 | illuminati | ok |
| 00:23.48 | lazarus | illuminati: that's called a symlink (symbolic link) meaning yuo can refer to the one by the other |
| 00:23.51 | somiaj | illuminati: that is just more to inform you what you are seeing when you typed 'ls -l /dev/cdrom' |
| 00:23.52 | edrin | green-ears: but i can select in grub what image to boot |
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| 00:24.12 | green-ears | edrin: so when you boot the old image all ok but in the new not ok ? |
| 00:24.14 | illuminati | ok |
| 00:24.22 | edrin | green-ears: exactly |
| 00:24.27 | lazarus | illuminati: it tells the machine "when i say /dev/cdrom, i really mean to go look at /dev/hdb" |
| 00:24.28 | Hyp3rion | Q: Do i need to run anything to get new fonts working after i install them? I have installed xfonts-efont-unicode, the foundry "efont" shows up in xfontsel, but the fonts still dont work in gucharmap/anywhere else :-? |
| 00:24.37 | edrin | green-ears: KDE is still ok, though |
| 00:24.44 | illuminati | ok |
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| 00:24.53 | illuminati | cool |
| 00:24.59 | k-god | How do I enable php in apache? PHP4. |
| 00:25.09 | bghfhfg | What is the utility to list your PCI stuff? |
| 00:25.14 | bghfhfg | pci..something |
| 00:25.15 | Hyp3rion | lspci |
| 00:25.18 | lazarus | k-god: /usr/share/doc/php4/ |
| 00:25.22 | k-god | bghfhfg: lspci. And other stuff. |
| 00:25.28 | bghfhfg | GOt it. |
| 00:25.52 | k-god | bghfhfg: I've got a "system-info" script that does that and related stuff. Search at http://twiki.iwethey.org/ |
| 00:26.00 | bghfhfg | How do I make my Sid system with IDE drives and a Via chipset run faster and more efficiently? |
| 00:26.04 | k-god | !system-info |
| 00:26.04 | dpkg | system-info is, like, a script which will give a detailed listing of your system configuration at http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/LinuxSystemInfoScript |
| 00:26.05 | green-ears | edrin: thats is strage |
| 00:26.12 | edrin | green-ears: ? |
| 00:26.16 | illuminati | ok and now what i have to do to make work my cd rom |
| 00:26.18 | illuminati | ??? |
| 00:26.27 | k-god | bghfhfg: hdparm, more memory, SCSI drives, striped drives. |
| 00:26.40 | lazarus | illuminati: it should be working now, if you mounted it |
| 00:26.40 | illuminati | ok see the files of my cd |
| 00:26.45 | lazarus | illuminati: ls /dev/cdrom and it should list things on that data cd |
| 00:26.45 | k-god | bghfhfg: The real answer depends on what's slowing it down. Eliminate the bottlenecks. |
| 00:26.53 | bghfhfg | s/and more efficiently/and more efficiently without modifying the hardware |
| 00:26.58 | k-god | lazarus: ITYM /mnt/cdrom |
| 00:27.10 | bghfhfg | k-god: Where are the bottlenecks? |
| 00:27.17 | sbetore | I'm back! :) |
| 00:27.18 | lazarus | illuminati: ls /cdrom (no dev) and it should list things on that data cd |
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| 00:27.25 | lazarus | illuminati: typo |
| 00:27.26 | edrin | green-ears: ? |
| 00:27.32 | green-ears | edrin: you said that the install from the begining as not be all that good |
| 00:27.37 | bghfhfg | Yes, I have DMA enabled. Yes, I have a kernel for my processor. |
| 00:27.38 | k-god | bghfhfg: They are whatever resource is limiting your system. 'top' and 'systat' are useful to find these. They're specific to your system. |
| 00:27.50 | edrin | green-ears: what exactly do you mean? |
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| 00:27.59 | illuminati | ok i just type ls /dev/cdrom |
| 00:28.00 | smittyfree53 | hello |
| 00:28.05 | edrin | green-ears: my system crashed some times... |
| 00:28.11 | edrin | i installed today |
| 00:28.13 | k-god | bghfhfg: What's the processor speed? How much RAM do you have? What processes are you running? What appears "slow"? Could be any of disk, memory, processor, or network, in that order. |
| 00:28.15 | lazarus | illuminati: did it list what's on the data cd? |
| 00:28.19 | bghfhfg | k-god: No such thing as systat. |
| 00:28.21 | dewa^ | Anyon in here who use gbgraph2 ? |
| 00:28.21 | illuminati | and it say in blue /dev/cdrom |
| 00:28.25 | lazarus | illuminati: wait |
| 00:28.29 | green-ears | edrin: thats what i was asking |
| 00:28.30 | lazarus | illuminati: ls /cdrom |
| 00:28.38 | lazarus | illuminati: /cdrom is your mountpoint |
| 00:28.48 | bghfhfg | k-god: AMD Athlon XP 2200 at 1800 Mhz, 256MB, a whole bunch, yes. |
| 00:28.49 | k-god | bghfhfg: aptitude install sysstat. And read: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/05/msg02413.html |
| 00:28.52 | illuminati | yes it is |
| 00:28.55 | edrin | green-ears: sometimes in KDE it simply hang! nothing hapened anymore |
| 00:28.55 | lazarus | illuminati: ls /cdrom |
| 00:29.00 | Hyp3rion | [better off with /media/cdrom] |
| 00:29.01 | edrin | no mouse movement |
| 00:29.03 | green-ears | edrin: is the install from a sarge netinstaller ? |
| 00:29.04 | edrin | ... |
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| 00:29.09 | edrin | green-ears: yes |
| 00:29.14 | newbie_ | somiaj_I installed samba at the debian box and now that box shows up in my "Add Network Place" dialog. How do I set up users on Debian so I can connect? |
| 00:29.23 | illuminati | ok |
| 00:29.27 | illuminati | it say nothing |
| 00:29.36 | lazarus | illuminati: ls -l /cdrom |
| 00:29.37 | zen | Is it possible to upgrade to sid? |
| 00:29.41 | edrin | green-ears: the business card install i downloaded today, the release candiate |
| 00:29.52 | bghfhfg | How do I run it? |
| 00:29.58 | directhex | test candidate |
| 00:29.58 | lazarus | illuminati: you have a data cd with something on it mounted properly? |
| 00:30.11 | somiaj | newbie_: you'll have to addsmbuser and give them a smbpassword, or check out /usr/share/doc/samba it should explain all that for ya |
| 00:30.12 | k-god | bghfhfg: 'free' will tell you your memory/swap utilization. Your cpu's reasonable. Memory's probably a bit thin for a heavily utilized system. And standard 4200/7200 RPM ATA drives are slower than 10k RPM, is slower than SATA, is slower than SCSI, is slower than RAID5 (parity) is slower than Stripe (RAID0). |
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| 00:30.32 | illuminati | yes |
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| 00:30.41 | illuminati | is in a cd of data |
| 00:30.46 | bghfhfg | k-god: Without modifying the hardware. |
| 00:30.47 | lazarus | illuminati: you should get a list of files on it |
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| 00:30.59 | green-ears | edrin: try the netinstaller the 110 some thing meg, you may get better luck |
| 00:31.03 | lazarus | illuminati: type "mount /cdrom" |
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| 00:31.23 | edrin | green-ears: ?? how can this influence it!?! |
| 00:31.24 | lazarus | illuminati: if it tells you it's already mounted, thats okay :) |
| 00:31.24 | Hyp3rion | <blink><font size="2^2048" color="#FF8000">Do i need to run anything to get new fonts working after i install them? I have installed xfonts-efont-unicode, the foundry "efont" shows up in xfontsel, but the fonts still dont work in gucharmap/anywhere else :-?</font></blink> |
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| 00:31.41 | bghfhfg | kgod: I have around 110MB memory used, minus buffers and chaches. |
| 00:31.45 | edrin | green-ears: do you really think this strange behaviour might be the result of this!?!! |
| 00:31.46 | bghfhfg | s/chaches/caches |
| 00:31.47 | k-god | bghfhfg: Run fewer processes. And I'd toss in more memory. It's cheap, zero configuration, and very, *VERY* effective. |
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| 00:31.51 | lazarus | <blink> ? |
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| 00:32.15 | bghfhfg | k-god: Without modifying the hardware, do I need to say it again. |
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| 00:32.19 | green-ears | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:32.26 | illuminati | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, or too many mounted file systems (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?) |
| 00:32.26 | steve_ | is there a way to disable the /etc/motd when i log in? |
| 00:32.33 | k-god | bghfhfg: You can say it all you want. Why that restriction? |
| 00:32.34 | somiaj | illuminati: did you check the /etc/fstab file like I asked ya too and make sure the /cdrom entry was correct. |
| 00:32.37 | lazarus | illuminati: good |
| 00:32.40 | Hyp3rion | lazarus - to get everyones' attention... |
| 00:32.54 | somiaj | illuminati: does 'mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom' work? |
| 00:32.58 | lazarus | Hyp3rion: only if they know ancient html, i think, heheh |
| 00:33.00 | k-god | bghfhfg: Your alternatives are to find out what's utilizing your system and what's slowing it down, and eliminate any processes which are adding to that problem. |
| 00:33.00 | illuminati | now |
| 00:33.04 | Hyp3rion | but it seems noone knows :-/ |
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| 00:33.10 | edrin | green-ears: what do you mean? i thought, the apt should take care about "system stability" and the netinst is only doing the installation of apt |
| 00:33.16 | Hyp3rion | lazarus - how is it in new html? |
| 00:33.18 | somiaj | illuminati: or double check, ls /cdrom (make sure its not already mounted) |
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| 00:33.23 | lazarus | Hyp3rion: hated :) |
| 00:33.31 | Hyp3rion | lazarus - i know ;-) |
| 00:33.33 | green-ears | edrin: strange behaviour might be the result of this!?!! yes i have had it with beta 2 or 3 that i could not use bash |
| 00:33.36 | lazarus | Hyp3rion: the tag probably still exists, but none dare use it :) |
| 00:33.50 | sbetore | <6 |
| 00:33.58 | sbetore | eh, sorry bout thtat |
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| 00:34.09 | lazarus | somiaj: you were offline, i had him remount it, ,to see if it errored, since it sure acts like nothing is there |
| 00:34.21 | somiaj | lazarus: ahh ok...(: |
| 00:34.21 | edrin | green-ears: ? but why does it happen when i installed the other kernel from sptitude when the installation was already finished? |
| 00:34.23 | lazarus | somiaj: the error message was anticipated, iow |
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| 00:34.49 | green-ears | edrin: sorry i do not know |
| 00:34.53 | steve_ | is there a way to disable the /etc/motd when i log in? |
| 00:34.55 | lazarus | somiaj: it's possible his cd is empty? |
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| 00:35.03 | illuminati | ok the comand mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
| 00:35.07 | lazarus | somiaj: his ls /cdrom/ is |
| 00:35.09 | illuminati | dont work |
| 00:35.11 | illuminati | now |
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| 00:35.18 | somiaj | lazarus: could be, but I thought he mounted it properly ni the first place |
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| 00:35.26 | somiaj | illuminati: what cd are you trying to mount? |
| 00:35.28 | illuminati | but in the fisrt try was woking |
| 00:35.31 | lazarus | illuminati: once it is mounted, that command will not work, not until you "umount" it |
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| 00:35.48 | illuminati | ok |
| 00:35.51 | indes | umount is like unmount but has less characters |
| 00:35.59 | illuminati | now i umount /cdrom |
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| 00:36.17 | newbie_ | somiaj_how do I read /usr/share/doc/samba to get help? |
| 00:36.20 | lazarus | illuminati: here, just to be clear, go ahead and 'umount /cdrom' and then eject it ... then reinsert it, run that "mount" command again, and start afresh :) |
| 00:36.49 | illuminati | umount: /cdrom: not mounted |
| 00:36.56 | indes | lazarus, would it be wise to suggest the 'eject' tool? |
| 00:36.58 | lazarus | illuminati: at that point, somiaj is all caught up on your status :) i'm on my way to a girl's house, late, so good luck! |
| 00:37.05 | indes | illuminati, you can type mount by itself to see if its mounted. |
| 00:37.19 | illuminati | thanks a lot lazarus |
| 00:37.20 | lazarus | indes: raw newbie, trying to avoid confusion :) |
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| 00:37.34 | somiaj | newbie_: there are varrious files in that dir, if they are like README.Debian (regular text files), you can read them with cat, more, less, or a text editor, if they are .gz files, you need to read them with zcat, or zless |
| 00:37.36 | illuminati | good look whit that girl |
| 00:37.36 | illuminati | ;) |
| 00:37.38 | indes | lazarus, aah, sorry. |
| 00:37.50 | indes | illuminati, if you require further assistance I can be of some help |
| 00:38.09 | somiaj | lazarus: enjoy yourself....(: |
| 00:38.10 | illuminati | ^^ |
| 00:38.23 | lazarus | thinks :) |
| 00:38.28 | lazarus | thanks even |
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| 00:38.45 | edrin | i have problems with debian. i installed debian testing today from a business card install cd (release cnadiate) as my system was somehow unstable and hang several times i updated the kernel from 2.4 to 2.6 whatever now the bash consoles look wired. some ascii characters seem to be replaced by others... how can this be!? |
| 00:38.49 | newbie_ | cool. I'll give it a try |
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| 00:39.30 | indes | edrin, did you install the proper locals? or change some keymappings or locals? |
| 00:39.41 | indes | codepages etc? |
| 00:40.23 | edrin | indes: no, i did not install such things. where do i do that? |
| 00:40.24 | bghfhfg | When I try to start a sound mixer, it says there's no mixer device. |
| 00:40.39 | edrin | indes: i just installed the kernel image 2.6-k7 |
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| 00:40.50 | indes | ooh... then you should be ok.. |
| 00:41.03 | edrin | indes: what do you mean? |
| 00:41.10 | indes | they should be there for you.. |
| 00:41.16 | indes | you're using a us charset? |
| 00:41.16 | edrin | hm... |
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| 00:41.45 | edrin | indes: no, germany. the border of boxes/menus in console apps look wired, the caracters are wrong |
| 00:41.47 | bghfhfg | What is the "mixer device"? |
| 00:41.48 | Kraig | hello.. i'm having a problem while booting... the last message i receive is from lilo... |
| 00:42.01 | somiaj | bghfhfg: do you have the proper sound modules loaded, are you using an ALSA mixer with an OSS device. |
| 00:42.03 | edrin | and some keys on my keyboard show strange caracters instead of the normal one |
| 00:42.22 | somiaj | Kraig: and what happens after that? |
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| 00:42.26 | indes | edrin, you've changed your keymapping or language setting. :-p |
| 00:42.31 | bghfhfg | somiaj: How do i know if I have the proper modules loaded? |
| 00:42.38 | somiaj | bghfhfg: lsmod |
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| 00:42.53 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i just downloaded sarge.. and the DHCP takes forever and ends up not doing anything, remaining at 0% |
| 00:43.08 | bghfhfg | somiaj: Yes, but what am I supposed to have? |
| 00:43.10 | edrin | indes: i changed nothing. when i boot the old 2.4 kernel, all shows normal, when i boot the new 2.6 kernel it looks wired |
| 00:43.12 | Kraig | somiaj: it stays there... |
| 00:43.24 | Kraig | somiaj: like waiting for something... |
| 00:43.34 | somiaj | [3g]SaintDogbert: is there a dhcp server it can connect to, does it need some additional info for the server to respond with an IP |
| 00:43.37 | Kraig | somiaj: ahh.. now it anwswer Error 0X80 |
| 00:43.44 | indes | edrin, as root can you: dpkg-reconfigure console-common |
| 00:43.44 | [3g]SaintDogbert | uh somiaj |
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| 00:43.48 | Kraig | s/X//s |
| 00:43.50 | [3g]SaintDogbert | my linksys router sort of does it |
| 00:43.50 | Kraig | s/X/x |
| 00:43.54 | indes | edrin, I don't know if that will help you or not |
| 00:43.56 | somiaj | Kraig: did you just put a new kernel on your machine (can you hit shift and boot off of an old kernel) |
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| 00:44.24 | tummen | ack...when partioning my hd for linux...with cndisk i think is the prog...how come i cant seem to write it to my tables? |
| 00:44.35 | tummen | shift+w dont work.. |
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| 00:44.55 | Kraig | somiaj: i only have one kernel there... |
| 00:44.57 | edrin | indes: it says "looking for keyboard to install NONE" |
| 00:45.01 | somiaj | [3g]SaintDogbert: hmm, well your linksys router should act as a dhcp server, you could check the logs there see if it has anything... |
| 00:45.07 | [3g]SaintDogbert | uhh |
| 00:45.11 | [3g]SaintDogbert | logs are kind of disabled |
| 00:45.13 | FieldySnuts | @fuck linksys |
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| 00:45.34 | somiaj | edrin: apt-get install console-data (or dpkg-reconfigure console-data if its already installed) |
| 00:46.00 | indes | edrin, yea, mine said the same thing.. I was kinda hoping it would help. what about kbd_mode what does it say? |
| 00:46.14 | newbie_ | sobiaj_where do I run SMBADDUSER from? |
| 00:46.21 | somiaj | [3g]SaintDogbert: well if the network card is up and its trying to get an ip via a dhcp request, my guess is its the dhcp server not responding... |
| 00:46.32 | [3g]SaintDogbert | but the router works fine |
| 00:46.34 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i'm talking to you |
| 00:46.54 | somiaj | newbie_: I should be able to be run as root (been a long time since I've messed with samba so I'm not positive) |
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| 00:47.20 | edrin | indes: wait a second, i will try what somiaj suggested |
| 00:47.33 | indes | edrin, good idea |
| 00:47.42 | ZeroCarontE | `I[i installed debian with a SiS 530 videocard... the gnome starts ok, but the screen is striped]I´ [160605 Inputs] |
| 00:47.44 | somiaj | newbie_: sorry, in debian you need to man mksmbpasswd |
| 00:47.44 | Kraig | somiaj: any ideas? |
| 00:47.49 | illuminati | ok i just open /etc/fstab |
| 00:47.56 | somiaj | Kraig: look up that error code |
| 00:48.03 | Kraig | somiaj: ok, thanks |
| 00:48.05 | [3g]SaintDogbert | somiaj: how would i fix this? |
| 00:48.11 | illuminati | and the cdroms are in 0 0 |
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| 00:48.31 | illuminati | thats good???? |
| 00:48.33 | sanxiyn | Good morning, #debian. |
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| 00:48.37 | somiaj | illuminati: so you unmounted the cdrom and it mounts fine with 'mount -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom' but doesn't mount with '/cdrom' |
| 00:48.46 | Hackel | I need some suggestions for installing Debian in the following situation: WinXP and Linspire are installed, and I have a Knoppix boot disk. I have no CDRW, no floppy, and I left my Netinst CDs at home. Any ideas? |
| 00:48.49 | FieldySnuts | !lart sbetore |
| 00:48.55 | somiaj | [3g]SaintDogbert: you could use a static ip if your on an internel network with a router |
| 00:49.05 | Fluten | !lart Fluten |
| 00:49.05 | [3g]SaintDogbert | uh yes |
| 00:49.06 | [3g]SaintDogbert | but |
| 00:49.07 | edrin | indes: it says keyboard is in scancode (raw) mode |
| 00:49.14 | Fluten | !lart Fluten |
| 00:49.16 | [3g]SaintDogbert | how am i going to set that up |
| 00:49.17 | illuminati | yes |
| 00:49.23 | sbetore | !lart bread not already sliced |
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| 00:49.32 | tummen | any ideas why i am not able to write my hd partition in cfdisk at debian install? |
| 00:49.32 | somiaj | Hackel: is Linspire linux, you could install via debbootstrap |
| 00:49.35 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i hear that "advanced settings" only comes up after dhcp is failed? |
| 00:49.35 | sbetore | Haha :) |
| 00:49.56 | newbie_ | somiaj_When I type MKSMBPASSWD I get: |
| 00:49.58 | newbie_ | # |
| 00:49.59 | sanxiyn | [3g]SaintDogbert: You mean Sarge b4? |
| 00:50.02 | [3g]SaintDogbert | uhh |
| 00:50.04 | newbie_ | #SMB PASSWORD FILE |
| 00:50.05 | Hackel | somiaj: Yes, Linspire or Knoppix could do that, I just don't know how. ;) Should I download the Netinst ISO and loop-mount it? Then just run debbootstrap? |
| 00:50.05 | newbie_ | # |
| 00:50.11 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i dont know what i'm using |
| 00:50.14 | indes | edrin, ok, good, did somiaj's solution help? |
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| 00:50.19 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i'm using the sarge 110MB |
| 00:50.23 | edrin | somiaj: the thing didn't help i think :/ the keyboard still makes strange characters... btw. even some console apps produce these strange characters instead of the correct ones... |
| 00:50.26 | [3g]SaintDogbert | that i just dl'd a few hours ago |
| 00:50.29 | sbetore | Damnit - I'm getting up... hungry and cranky... |
| 00:50.30 | sanxiyn | [3g]SaintDogbert: There's no Sarge ISO yet. |
| 00:50.30 | edrin | indes: no |
| 00:50.31 | newbie_ | somiaj_should I just type a password there? |
| 00:50.37 | [3g]SaintDogbert | yes b4 |
| 00:50.38 | [3g]SaintDogbert | my bad |
| 00:50.46 | [3g]SaintDogbert | but yes there is an iso for b4 |
| 00:50.49 | edrin | indes: or do i have to restart the console somehow? |
| 00:50.56 | sanxiyn | [3g]SaintDogbert: Yes, after DHCP fails, you can type in your IP addresses et al. |
| 00:51.00 | [3g]SaintDogbert | uh huh |
| 00:51.02 | [3g]SaintDogbert | well its not failing |
| 00:51.06 | [3g]SaintDogbert | its just not making any progress |
| 00:51.08 | [3g]SaintDogbert | can i make it fail? |
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| 00:51.13 | somiaj | illuminati: you need to look for the first parts in fstab look like this, <device> <mount point> <type> <options> 0 0, so you want it to say, '/dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0' |
| 00:51.17 | indes | edrin, no, when you booted the new kernel.. I'm really not sure what your problem is edrin. |
| 00:51.23 | sanxiyn | [3g]SaintDogbert: That's strange, but if you boot with "expert", you can bypass DHCP step. |
| 00:51.26 | somiaj | newbie_: read the man page |
| 00:51.31 | [3g]SaintDogbert | ok how do i do that |
| 00:51.35 | [3g]SaintDogbert | do i hit ctrl-alt-delete |
| 00:51.36 | somiaj | newbie_: it will tell you how to use that command better than I can |
| 00:51.41 | sanxiyn | [3g]SaintDogbert: yes. |
| 00:51.43 | [3g]SaintDogbert | then when it says hit enter.. i type expert then hit enter |
| 00:51.51 | sanxiyn | [3g]SaintDogbert: exactly. |
| 00:51.54 | [3g]SaintDogbert | ok |
| 00:51.57 | edrin | indes: ok, i will try to reboot the system, brb |
| 00:51.58 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i'm going to try that |
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| 00:52.01 | newbie_ | somiaj_K.. i'll see if I can figure it out |
| 00:52.05 | green-ears | [3g]SaintDogbert: for your latest sarge installer http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
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| 00:52.11 | illuminati | /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noexec,noauto 0 0 <====== that what is say fstab |
| 00:52.59 | sanxiyn | green-ears: Do you really recommend daily snapshots over beta 4? |
| 00:53.13 | green-ears | [3g]SaintDogbert: yes |
| 00:53.20 | rtfm | visit www.rtfm.fr.vu merci :D |
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| 00:53.36 | fishynet | I'm trying to switch from wlan-ng to hostap, and i've compiled a new kernel with hostap support (and no wlan-ng support) unfortuantly, update-modules keeps on adding a wlan0 to wlan-ng and getting rid of my hostap line, is there anyway I can fix this? |
| 00:53.52 | green-ears | sanxiyn: i had very little problem, they are getting better all the time |
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| 00:54.01 | sanxiyn | That's nice to hear! |
| 00:54.19 | illuminati | ok |
| 00:54.31 | somiaj | illuminati: use a editor and remove the 'defaults,' is all I can think of, other wise than that it looks fine |
| 00:54.38 | illuminati | it look like /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 defaults,ro,user,noexec,noauto 0 0 |
| 00:54.54 | illuminati | ok let me try |
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| 00:55.23 | arkane | hi, can someone tell me how to burn a cd from an iso file? |
| 00:55.40 | green-ears | sanxiyn: these beta 4 have well come on, the partioning parts as become very user friendly |
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| 00:55.46 | [3g]SaintDogbert | sanxiyn: i'm at the spot where it saays detect network hardware |
| 00:55.49 | [3g]SaintDogbert | do i have it auto detect |
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| 00:55.53 | Hyp3rion | arkane - like cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -sao IMAGE.iso |
| 00:55.57 | [3g]SaintDogbert | or is the dhcp come after this |
| 00:56.00 | fTimbrWol | illuminati : why you have noexec? |
| 00:56.06 | arkane | thanks |
| 00:56.08 | sanxiyn | [3g]SaintDogbert: Well, I don't remember exactly... |
| 00:56.14 | [3g]SaintDogbert | uh-huh |
| 00:56.15 | [3g]SaintDogbert | :P |
| 00:56.17 | sanxiyn | [3g]SaintDogbert: There should be installation manual somewhere... |
| 00:56.25 | Hyp3rion | arkane - cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc -sao -data IMAGE.iso |
| 00:56.46 | Hyp3rion | arkane - there is also a speed= argument... and many more... |
| 00:56.59 | arkane | hmm ok |
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| 00:57.06 | arkane | crosses fingers |
| 00:57.11 | Hyp3rion | :-) wait |
| 00:57.16 | [3g]SaintDogbert | does anyone remember this? |
| 00:57.21 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i'll just play with it |
| 00:57.21 | [3g]SaintDogbert | brb |
| 00:57.23 | arkane | ? |
| 00:57.31 | arkane | ahh :0 |
| 00:57.39 | arkane | thougt you forgot something |
| 00:57.41 | arkane | hehe |
| 00:57.41 | Hyp3rion | arkane - driveropts=burnfree is also important |
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| 00:57.50 | hurt | anyone know of a non-destructive partion program for ReiserFS? |
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| 00:58.25 | somiaj | hurt: I'd look in reiserfs-tools (or something like that), though best I can do to help |
| 00:58.29 | green-ears | [3g]SaintDogbert: once you are at the network setup part, goback to the main menu and pick priorty low then go back to network set up and pick no dynamic |
| 00:58.48 | [3g]SaintDogbert | ok got it |
| 00:58.59 | [3g]SaintDogbert | uh |
| 00:59.03 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i see. |
| 00:59.11 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i'm at the part where it says "domain" |
| 00:59.13 | [3g]SaintDogbert | what shouldi put |
| 00:59.21 | sanxiyn | defaults. |
| 00:59.26 | illuminati | i dont know |
| 00:59.28 | illuminati | ?_? |
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| 00:59.41 | [3g]SaintDogbert | the default is blank.. it says i can put whatever i want but it must be the same for all computers |
| 00:59.47 | green-ears | [3g]SaintDogbert: so let the install run up the network part then go back the the main menu and pick low priorty |
| 00:59.51 | hurt | somiaj: k |
| 00:59.52 | flaco | !tell flaco about mysql |
| 01:00.03 | illuminati | ok i have to edit the fstab under root |
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| 01:00.14 | [3g]SaintDogbert | huh? |
| 01:00.16 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i dont understand |
| 01:00.19 | [3g]SaintDogbert | is there another way of doing that |
| 01:00.28 | somiaj | illuminati: yes |
| 01:00.55 | [3g]SaintDogbert | somiaj do you know what i should put for domain |
| 01:00.57 | illuminati | so i have to log out and enter in the root acount |
| 01:01.07 | dan2 | flaco: yo |
| 01:01.11 | illuminati | ok in here in a minute |
| 01:01.13 | illuminati | ;) |
| 01:01.15 | [3g]SaintDogbert | illuminati: you could probably su |
| 01:01.22 | green-ears | [3g]SaintDogbert: a name for the box |
| 01:01.24 | sanxiyn | [3g]SaintDogbert: It didn't matter if I recall correctly. |
| 01:01.27 | [3g]SaintDogbert | ok |
| 01:01.35 | asg | dan2: evening |
| 01:01.43 | dan2 | asg: hey |
| 01:01.48 | sanxiyn | morning |
| 01:02.16 | newbie_ | somiaj_i'm connected to my debian box now as \\box_name\user_name |
| 01:02.17 | dan2 | asg: I can't find the licensing terms on NetDrive |
| 01:02.19 | dan2 | asg: hmm |
| 01:02.31 | dan2 | asg: Novell made it, everybody is redistributing it |
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| 01:02.54 | asg | dan2: hmmm, never heard of it :/ |
| 01:03.08 | [3g]SaintDogbert | uh huh |
| 01:03.12 | flaco | dan2: hi! |
| 01:03.12 | newbie_ | somiaj_it doesn't look like I can share files between them though, and I cannot navigate to other directories on the debian box. Should this enable me to? |
| 01:03.17 | [3g]SaintDogbert | now i'm looking at a blank blue screen |
| 01:03.26 | somiaj | newbie_: good wrok |
| 01:03.34 | dan2 | asg: lets winblowz users mount webdav/ftp easily without issues |
| 01:03.50 | dan2 | asg: everybody is redistributing it so... |
| 01:04.00 | asg | dan2: thought WebFolders were used for that on Windows ? |
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| 01:04.12 | [3g]SaintDogbert | somiaj: would you happen to know why its a blue screen now? with the white line at the bottom |
| 01:04.22 | newbie_ | somiaj_thanks. all I did was type mksmbpasswd, then type smbpasswd -a -U [username] and enter a password. That sounds right.. |
| 01:04.29 | sanxiyn | [3g]SaintDogbert: no idea... |
| 01:04.29 | [3g]SaintDogbert | its the installer screen.. minus a dialog |
| 01:04.32 | somiaj | newbie_: well I belive the $HOME dir is the only thing that is shared by default, you'll have to modify smb.conf to add other shares |
| 01:04.37 | somiaj | newbie_: sure |
| 01:04.46 | newbie_ | somiaj_cool.. i'll give her a try. |
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| 01:05.02 | dan2 | asg: yeah, well every windows operating system has web folders that break in five minutes |
| 01:05.13 | [3g]SaintDogbert | uhh |
| 01:05.16 | [3g]SaintDogbert | so what should i do |
| 01:05.19 | tummen | ack..it seems my screen doesnt show everythin in cfdisk when tryin to partition my drive for linux.. |
| 01:05.19 | asg | dan2: that I can attest to :) |
| 01:05.25 | somiaj | [3g]SaintDogbert: naie |
| 01:05.42 | dan2 | asg: at least Novell can write software thats at least half-decent |
| 01:05.46 | [3g]SaintDogbert | "naie"? |
| 01:06.02 | asg | dan2: well, some of their stuff is good, some is utter shit |
| 01:06.03 | sanxiyn | [3g]SaintDogbert: Perhaps join #debian-boot and report your problems? |
| 01:06.08 | [3g]SaintDogbert | ok |
| 01:06.14 | sanxiyn | [3g]SaintDogbert: That one is official Debian Installer channel |
| 01:06.20 | dan2 | asg: I bet now that Novell owns SuSe, Red Hat has major competition now |
| 01:06.30 | sanxiyn | [3g]SaintDogbert: Those guys know much more. |
| 01:06.50 | [3g]SaintDogbert | lol k |
| 01:06.50 | asg | dan2: maybe, Novell shows market shrewdness but the fatally stabs itself in the head. |
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| 01:06.57 | green-ears | [3g]SaintDogbert: i would say do a new install and when it gets to the network part set up go back to the main menu and pick low priorty then back to network setup and pick static ip setup |
| 01:07.01 | loke_ | what up #debian |
| 01:07.15 | [3g]SaintDogbert | green-ears: i dont quite understand what you mean |
| 01:07.26 | dan2 | asg: all I can say is that Novell stuff seems to do its purpose. ;) |
| 01:07.33 | sbetore | loke_: The roof, last time I checked |
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| 01:07.44 | dan2 | asg: Web Folders that crash your system do not accomplish the purpose :) |
| 01:07.48 | loke_ | sbetore original |
| 01:07.49 | asg | dan2: yeah, Groupwise, for all its faults, was much better than exchange. |
| 01:07.58 | sanxiyn | [3g]SaintDogbert: Heh it seems #debian-boot guys figured out why it took so long... |
| 01:08.06 | asg | dan2: Netware, otoh ... *shudder* |
| 01:08.19 | dan2 | asg: netware is nasty |
| 01:08.30 | asg | dan2: yes |
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| 01:09.05 | newbie_ | somaij_I couldn't find in smb.conf how to add a share. Any ideas? |
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| 01:09.19 | dan2 | asg: I should create some davfs2 debs |
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| 01:09.31 | dan2 | asg: it only requires coda support |
| 01:09.51 | asg | dan2: davfs requires coda support ??? |
| 01:09.51 | Denuo | Hey, I'm having some trouble installing the NVIDIA drivers on Debian. |
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| 01:09.56 | green-ears | [3g]SaintDogbert: i think you would be better off doing a new install. and as said stop at the network set and go back to the main menu and pick low priorty. that will let you pick the static opion in the network setup part |
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| 01:10.22 | rich_ | thanks everyone bbl |
| 01:10.54 | dan2 | asg: to mount it yes |
| 01:11.06 | asg | dan2: O_o |
| 01:11.12 | asg | dan2: odd. |
| 01:11.23 | NightFlight | when i plug in a usb mouse i get: USB device 3 (vend/prod 0x5fe/0x11) is not claimed by any active driver when i start kde i the mouse doesn't work |
| 01:11.28 | dan2 | asg: well whatever, it seems to work |
| 01:11.30 | asg | dan2: I've found zope's webdav support works nicely with M$ Webfolders |
| 01:11.45 | matteJ | Anyone who knows a tip how to compile a 2.6.x kernel from a 2.4.x without a working network in 2.4.x but in 2.6.x |
| 01:11.54 | green-ears | [3g]SaintDogbert: if you start off with low priorty level that every thing to be check its a pain. so just pick it at the network part |
| 01:11.59 | sanxiyn | webdav are mostly good. |
| 01:12.17 | dan2 | asg: yes webdav works fine with webfolders, try ftp with webfolders |
| 01:12.19 | dan2 | asg: :) |
| 01:12.23 | sanxiyn | green-ears: It seems dynamic/static network setup is not the problem... |
| 01:12.36 | asg | dan2: I try to avoid ftp these days :) |
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| 01:13.17 | newbie_ | are you there, somiaj? |
| 01:13.37 | green-ears | sanxiyn: i thought [3g]SaintDogbert wanted a static ip |
| 01:13.40 | NightFlight | ? |
| 01:13.45 | steve_ | is there a way to disable the /etc/motd when i log in? |
| 01:13.46 | sanxiyn | green-ears: It seems [3g] has yet new kind of install problem heh. |
| 01:14.11 | asg | steve_: :> /etc/motd |
| 01:14.30 | sanxiyn | asg: Perhaps without deleting /etc/motd...? |
| 01:14.55 | green-ears | sanxiyn: so it look like the router was not giving out a ip, so the need for static |
| 01:14.58 | asg | sanxiyn: remove the pam_motd line in /etc/pam.d/login |
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| 01:15.23 | newbie_ | somiaj_Do I need to restart SAMBA if I make changes to smb.conf? I don't know how to add other shares, any ideas? |
| 01:15.39 | illuminati | ok |
| 01:15.43 | sanxiyn | asg: Thanks! |
| 01:15.50 | steve_ | asg: thanks |
| 01:16.08 | illuminati | i just edited etc/fstab |
| 01:16.28 | dan2 | asg: my point exactly |
| 01:16.30 | illuminati | now what |
| 01:16.31 | asg | s{anxiyn,teve_}: you're welcome |
| 01:16.35 | asg | dan2: :) |
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| 01:17.12 | somiaj | newbie_: yes, /etc/init.d/samba restart will restart it, and I forget the syntax needed to add aditional shares, look on google, it is quite simple |
| 01:17.26 | newbie_ | somiaj_thanks, I will. |
| 01:17.26 | somiaj | illuminati: thry to mount /cdrom, if its unmounted |
| 01:17.30 | tcsetattr | the traditional way of silencing motd, as a normal user, is to touch ~/.hushlogin but I wouldn't be surprised if PAM has broken this. |
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| 01:17.33 | asg | newbie_: or read 'Using Samba' at www.oreilly.com/openbook |
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| 01:18.18 | voltagex | I have triedlots of things and I can't get my audio working. Error is /dev/dsp no such device |
| 01:18.18 | illuminati | somiaj: nothing |
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| 01:18.40 | asg | tcsetattr: that still works |
| 01:18.40 | illuminati | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom,or too many mounted file systems |
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| 01:18.51 | asg | tcsetattr: I assumed he was looking for a global solution |
| 01:19.02 | voltagex | has anyone got any ideas on how to fix my sound? |
| 01:19.03 | dan2 | asg: I need an openbook for libusb :) |
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| 01:19.15 | green-ears | voltagex: is the user added to the audio group |
| 01:19.24 | voltagex | greenfir: yes |
| 01:19.26 | voltagex | oops |
| 01:19.34 | voltagex | green-ears: yes |
| 01:19.45 | asg | dan2: hahah |
| 01:19.50 | NightFlight | when i plug in a usb mouse i get: USB device 3 (vend/prod 0x5fe/0x11) is not claimed by any active driver is the something that needs to be done for a usb mouse to work |
| 01:19.57 | dan2 | asg: I haven't played bzflag in ages, Im gonna play some now, how long are you going to be on? |
| 01:19.59 | Justin | NightFlight: install hotplug |
| 01:19.59 | ttoddy | #centralfilmes |
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| 01:20.13 | doublehp | gprof reports an execution time of 0.00 for all funcs, when time reports a total time of 7s .... the software got a total of 3000 calls to functions ... where is the pb ? |
| 01:20.16 | ttoddy | #centralfilmes |
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| 01:20.16 | asg | dan2: this laptop doesn't have the balls for bzflag |
| 01:20.23 | bleh_ | sometimes i get little symbols instead of characters in text areas, the symbols are squares with 4 letters or numbers arranged in a 2x2 grid, how can i fix this? |
| 01:20.26 | asg | dan2: I'll be on for another hour or so though |
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| 01:20.34 | illuminati | and if i put umount /cdrom |
| 01:20.34 | dan2 | asg: ok, Ill be back in half hour |
| 01:20.45 | illuminati | umount: /cdrom is not mounted (according to mtab) |
| 01:21.01 | dan2 | asg: bzflag is fun |
| 01:21.02 | Justin | !wayttd illuminati |
| 01:21.03 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, illuminati? |
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| 01:21.22 | voltagex | illuminati: wild guess here but apt-get install eject? |
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| 01:21.26 | asg | dan2: it is, I just don't have a laptop handy that can run it competitively |
| 01:21.27 | antonypeople | alguem aqui fala portugues????????? |
| 01:21.33 | asg | !portuguese |
| 01:21.33 | dpkg | portuguese is probably the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:21.35 | asg | antonypeople: ^^^ |
| 01:21.51 | vince_style | hi everybody |
| 01:22.01 | ttoddy | #debian-br |
| 01:22.06 | illuminati | apt-get install |
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| 01:22.19 | illuminati | or apt-get install eject? |
| 01:22.21 | green-ears | voltagex: have you used sndconfig, to find the sound card and is the driver install for the card, idears may help |
| 01:22.27 | ardy | is there a channel for kdevelope? |
| 01:22.30 | antonypeople | asg thank you |
| 01:22.32 | ttoddy | sndconfig |
| 01:22.32 | voltagex | illuminati: apt-get install eject? |
| 01:22.35 | voltagex | ok |
| 01:22.37 | asg | antonypeople: you're welcome |
| 01:22.43 | asg | ardy: #debian-kde is your best bet |
| 01:22.47 | dan2 | asg: what do I need to run my wingpad rumbler gamepad |
| 01:22.58 | ardy | asg: thanks |
| 01:23.07 | asg | dan2: not a clue, wtf is that! ? |
| 01:23.09 | asg | dan2: :) |
| 01:23.17 | dan2 | asg: rumbling game controller for pc |
| 01:23.24 | asg | dan2: sounds like a drink one shouldn't consume |
| 01:23.33 | green-ears | dan2: the only problem with bzflag is that i get killed all the time |
| 01:23.42 | illuminati | ok thats what it say E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 01:23.52 | asg | illuminati: are you root? |
| 01:23.59 | Crimson | illuminati: are you root? |
| 01:24.00 | dan2 | green-ears: all the pros use gamepads |
| 01:24.00 | voltagex | green-ears: bzflag is like that |
| 01:24.05 | illuminati | ok |
| 01:24.15 | dan2 | green-ears: or dual gaming mice |
| 01:24.19 | Justin | illuminati: you need to stop pasting things and actually READ what is on your screen |
| 01:24.23 | illuminati | i have to put that in root |
| 01:24.25 | angeles | how do you get /dev/input devices working in debian sarge, namely a usb mouse? |
| 01:24.28 | green-ears | dan2: right them a pad |
| 01:24.31 | voltagex | green-ears: and also I'm installing sndconfig now |
| 01:24.54 | voltagex | illuminati: log in as root (or use su) and try apt-get again |
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| 01:25.00 | mentor | illuminati: A suggestion? Read the error messages yourself? |
| 01:25.13 | green-ears | voltagex: it may find it card hope fully |
| 01:25.17 | sanxiyn | illuminati: sigh |
| 01:25.24 | loke_ | booble.com heh |
| 01:25.37 | voltagex | eeww sndconfig is redhat lol |
| 01:25.39 | illuminati | thanks all for helping me out |
| 01:25.45 | illuminati | ^^ |
| 01:25.48 | asg | illuminati: you're welcome |
| 01:25.54 | voltagex | my distro has been soiled |
| 01:26.05 | asg | voltagex: get a hanky |
| 01:26.13 | illuminati | ok the apt-get install eject? dome |
| 01:26.15 | illuminati | ok the apt-get install eject? done |
| 01:26.28 | voltagex | You don't seem to be running a kernel with modular sound ? |
| 01:26.43 | voltagex | that's the error I get with sndconfig |
| 01:26.45 | ardy | when I try to run automake + friends in kdevelop, I get the error "AM_PROG_LIBTOOL" not found in libaray... why? |
| 01:26.48 | angeles | might not pick up on alsa? |
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| 01:26.57 | green-ears | dan2: thats my next task is to set the games pad, but whats dual gaming mice ? |
| 01:27.08 | asg | ardy: apt-get install build-essential libtool |
| 01:27.27 | quasiben | has anyone every succesfully mount an hfs partition on an x86 processor |
| 01:27.40 | angeles | hmm why would debian even create /dev/input if nothing in it works |
| 01:27.54 | dan2 | green-ears: two mice hooked up by usb, with 24 buttons on each |
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| 01:28.06 | voltagex | ok, kudzu detected and seems to have configured my soundcard |
| 01:28.26 | asg | voltagex: if it plays Brittney Spears, I'd ask for my money back though |
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| 01:28.56 | ardy | asg: thanks |
| 01:29.02 | illuminati | ok the apt-get install eject? done now what |
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| 01:29.16 | asg | ardy: did that fix things? |
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| 01:29.19 | green-ears | dan2: thats too much for me. its the side wider for this guy |
| 01:29.21 | quasiben | I am using mount -t hfs /dev/sdb9 usd_drive/ and in the directory is a little file telling me that I can't look at any files in that partition because it is not apple 8.1 or higher...any ideas ? |
| 01:29.22 | asg | illuminati: man eject |
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| 01:29.33 | voltagex | illuminati: eject should unmount your cd drive if that's what you're trying to do |
| 01:29.46 | quasiben | I am trying to mount a usb hard_drive |
| 01:29.49 | voltagex | asg: man woman |
| 01:29.57 | voltagex | oops sorry lame joke |
| 01:30.04 | asg | voltagex: cowsay -f sheep meh |
| 01:30.12 | illuminati | ok |
| 01:30.12 | voltagex | lol |
| 01:30.19 | angeles | quasiben: what version of mac was the parition created wtih? |
| 01:30.30 | Justin | quasiben: use hfsplus not hfs |
| 01:30.31 | quasiben | OS X 10.3.3 |
| 01:30.33 | illuminati | let me see if i can do this by my self ;) |
| 01:30.47 | voltagex | can I create a mountpoint using mkdir or is there a special command? |
| 01:31.00 | angeles | well there you go, i didnt know about hfsplus |
| 01:31.02 | asg | voltagex: no, a mountpoint is just a simple directory |
| 01:31.02 | doublehp | gprof reports an execution time of 0.00 for all funcs, when time reports a total time of 7s .... the software got a total of 3000 calls to functions ... where is the pb ? I dont understand why all cumulativ time are 0.00 ... |
| 01:31.08 | quasiben | yeah...i tried that but my kernel doesn't support hfsplus |
| 01:31.12 | angeles | shows i havent touched mac in a long time |
| 01:31.31 | kalelme | hello to all |
| 01:31.34 | sanxiyn | doublehp: That sounds strange... |
| 01:31.36 | Justin | !+find hfsplus |
| 01:31.38 | quasiben | Kernel 2.4.21-4-686 |
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| 01:31.39 | dpkg | hfsplus: (tools to access HFS+ formatted volumes), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-5 (sid), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 236 kB |
| 01:31.45 | Justin | !+find hfsplus.o |
| 01:31.47 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:31.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'hfsplus.o' (4 shown; 9 total): (/usr/lib/uml/modules/2.4.24-1um/kernel/fs/hfsplus/hfsplus.o) in misc/user-mode-linux ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.26-1-k6/kernel/fs/hfsplus/hfsplus.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.26-1-k6 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.26-1-k7/kernel/fs/hfsplus/hfsplus.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.26-1-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.4.26-1-386/kernel/fs/hfsplus/hfsplus.o) in base/kernel-image-2.4.26-1-386. |
| 01:31.56 | asg | quasiben: that's a very old 2.4 kernel. |
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| 01:32.04 | angeles | whoa dpkg |
| 01:32.05 | doublehp | sanxiyn: what can i do ? |
| 01:32.06 | asg | quasiben: you should upgrade |
| 01:32.07 | Justin | debian supports hfsplus just fine, |
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| 01:32.27 | voltagex | woot kernel 2.6.6 ntfs worky worky |
| 01:32.33 | quasiben | i am scared to upgrade on my totally awesome Dell Inspiron 81000 that requires constant tweaking |
| 01:32.35 | asg | b0rk b0rk |
| 01:32.42 | sanxiyn | doublehp: Well, I honestly don't know. I used gprof before, but didn't experience problems... |
| 01:32.47 | BlackyVIP | i have just updated kernel... to 2.4.26 |
| 01:32.53 | asg | quasiben: but 2.4.21 has nasty exploitable bugs. |
| 01:32.55 | tapas | hi, on my freshly debootstrapped debian system i cannot log into a gnome session. had to install xfce4 for now.. when i select gnome as session only a debian logo shows, then it just sits there.. |
| 01:32.56 | green-ears | voltagex: link may help for mount points http://www.linuxsa.org.au/tips/removable-media.html |
| 01:32.58 | BlackyVIP | can someone tell me what do i need to do in /etc/lilo.conf ? |
| 01:33.18 | quasiben | I have never updated on my own...don't know exactly what do to |
| 01:33.29 | sanxiyn | BlackyVIP: Actually "liloconfig" does what you need to do to lilo.conf. |
| 01:33.37 | asg | quasiben: what debian are you running? |
| 01:33.45 | quasiben | t debian are you running? |
| 01:33.52 | [3g]SaintDogbert | has anyone attempted installing debian on a SATA raid0? |
| 01:33.55 | quasiben | 2.4.21-4-686 |
| 01:33.55 | sanxiyn | BlackyVIP: Or, do read the manual: man lilo. |
| 01:34.02 | bleh_ | sometimes i get little symbols instead of characters in text areas, the symbols are squares with 4 letters or numbers arranged in a 2x2 grid, how can i fix this? |
| 01:34.04 | illuminati | no |
| 01:34.07 | asg | quasiben: no, that's the kernel image version (cat /etc/debian_version) |
| 01:34.09 | sanxiyn | BlackyVIP: It's actually very easy to read manual. |
| 01:34.13 | BlackyVIP | true |
| 01:34.14 | illuminati | dont want to work |
| 01:34.15 | quasiben | ah sorry... |
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| 01:34.27 | illuminati | eject /cdrom |
| 01:34.33 | quasiben | oh testing/unstable |
| 01:34.38 | voltagex | ooook - how do I give my user permission to access /mnt/xp without having to go crazy with chmod 777? |
| 01:34.43 | kalelme | i try compiler de mplayer and the mencoder with the mp3lame but ./confugure not autodetect this libsChecking for libmp3lame (for mencoder) ... no, i install apt-get install lame, and /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 |
| 01:34.55 | sanxiyn | BlackyVIP: Your knowledge of lilo.conf gained from manual would be useful to install (say) Linux From Scratch :-) |
| 01:34.59 | kalelme | but not work |
| 01:35.10 | asg | quasiben: then apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-686 |
| 01:35.19 | asg | quasiben: that will keep your kernel up to date. |
| 01:35.22 | sanxiyn | BlackyVIP: oops, "man lilo.conf", actually.. |
| 01:35.30 | BlackyVIP | :) |
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| 01:35.41 | quasiben | you are sure this won't muck this up for me ? |
| 01:35.45 | bghfhfg | In VICE, hwo come the text looks like it was squished vertically? |
| 01:35.46 | quasiben | i have had lots of problems in the past |
| 01:36.06 | asg | quasiben: it might, but you can always reboot your own kernel (provided you follow the installation instructions the package provides.) |
| 01:36.17 | quasiben | ok...thanks |
| 01:36.26 | asg | voltagex: bad idea |
| 01:36.30 | sanxiyn | kalelme: Install lame-dev or so. |
| 01:36.38 | sanxiyn | kalelme: Eh, perhaps you did that already? |
| 01:36.46 | voltagex | asg: it's only on my xp partition |
| 01:37.02 | voltagex | asg: what's a better number than 777? |
| 01:37.28 | asg | voltagex: ah, nm |
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| 01:37.44 | voltagex | asg: have I done the wrong thing? |
| 01:37.44 | cafuego | voltagex: virtually anything |
| 01:38.17 | quasiben | do i have to reboot to run the new kernel...i have heard that you don't need to in gentoo |
| 01:38.21 | illuminati | ok found something |
| 01:38.26 | asg | voltagex: not sure, winXP is not known to me |
| 01:38.34 | Justin | !tell kalelme about mplayer |
| 01:38.34 | asg | illuminati: the Grail? |
| 01:38.35 | illuminati | in the options of the k3b |
| 01:38.51 | cafuego | voltagex: Add users that need access to it to a specific group, (say "windows") and mount the partition with 'umask=007, gid=windows-group-id' |
| 01:39.04 | illuminati | say the the unit is a scsi |
| 01:39.05 | cafuego | quasiben: No, it still needs rebooting and this isn't #gentoo. |
| 01:39.28 | Justin | !wayttd illuminati |
| 01:39.28 | illuminati | and work under k3b |
| 01:39.29 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, illuminati? |
| 01:39.31 | quasiben | i know...i was just making a additional comment |
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| 01:39.35 | zenlunatic | When I do # eject it says "eject: unable to find or open device for: 'cdrom' |
| 01:39.36 | asg | quasiben: unless you have hardware issues, reboots only occur when a new kernel is installed and you wished to use it. |
| 01:39.39 | voltagex | ok |
| 01:39.41 | kalelme | <sanxiyn> lame-dev not exist |
| 01:39.44 | voltagex | arrrghh still no sound |
| 01:39.56 | [3g]SaintDogbert | http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-Debian.htm << how would i go about this with raid 0? |
| 01:39.56 | illuminati | i only whant to make it work |
| 01:39.58 | Justin | !tell kalelme about mplayer |
| 01:39.59 | asg | zenlunatic: does /cdrom exist in /etc/fstab ? |
| 01:40.04 | Seb | is it only me, or is firefox crashing very often since the last upgrade in sid ? |
| 01:40.09 | illuminati | only to real file like a normal cdrom |
| 01:40.10 | asg | Seb: not here |
| 01:40.15 | sanxiyn | kalelme: Check now. Do you have /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so instead of /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0? |
| 01:40.16 | Seb | damn |
| 01:40.17 | Justin | !tell illuminati about ask |
| 01:40.18 | illuminati | only to read file like a normal cdrom |
| 01:40.19 | asg | Seb: but I don't have any odd plugins |
| 01:40.20 | Justin | !tell illuminati about smart questions |
| 01:40.20 | zenlunatic | asg: yes |
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| 01:40.34 | kalelme | i have /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 but the script to autoconfigure the meplayer no loacte it |
| 01:40.49 | asg | zenlunatic: hmmm, try eject /dev/(whatever your cdrom is) |
| 01:40.52 | sanxiyn | kalelme: Not blah.so.0 one, but blah.so ! |
| 01:40.53 | Seb | asg: hum |
| 01:41.03 | sanxiyn | kalelme: That's what I meant by "developer" package. |
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| 01:41.21 | sanxiyn | kalelme: Since you're trying to *compile* mplayer, you need developer package. |
| 01:41.25 | voltagex | brb |
| 01:41.34 | zenlunatic | asg: it says eject: unable to find or open device for: '/dev/cdrom' |
| 01:41.45 | asg | zenlunatic: ls -l /dev/cdrom |
| 01:41.49 | asg | zenlunatic: paste the output here |
| 01:41.52 | sanxiyn | I hate Flash. |
| 01:42.05 | dan2 | asg: damn Im getting my ass kicked |
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| 01:42.07 | Seb | sanxiyn: how is /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so related to a dev package ? |
| 01:42.08 | zenlunatic | asg: says no such file or directory |
| 01:42.13 | asg | sanxiyn: but flash was the dog in the Dukes of Hazzard. |
| 01:42.20 | illuminati | sorry :'( but my english is not perfect |
| 01:42.21 | asg | zenlunatic: then your /etc/fstab is not correct. |
| 01:42.32 | kalelme | <sanxiyn> umm ok where i found the developer pakage for mp3lame |
| 01:42.35 | asg | zenlunatic: what /dev/* does your cdrom belong to. |
| 01:42.37 | zenlunatic | asg: It's debian defaults. I just installed woody. |
| 01:42.41 | Justin | !tell kalelme about mplayer |
| 01:42.41 | sanxiyn | kalelme: Don't ask me :-) |
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| 01:42.48 | kalelme | jejeje |
| 01:42.52 | kalelme | ok |
| 01:42.52 | sanxiyn | kalelme: Preferably the same place you got mp3lame. |
| 01:43.04 | asg | zenlunatic: look at /var/log/dmesg. See what it says about your CD and what device it has been mapped to. |
| 01:43.11 | zenlunatic | asg: usually eject /dev/cdrom has worked, but this time I did a net install not using my iso's |
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| 01:43.44 | Seb | zenlunatic: dmesg | grep hd |
| 01:43.56 | Seb | zenlunatic: then figure out which one is your CDROM, and link that to /dev/cdrom |
| 01:43.59 | illuminati | is not easy to understad this thinks when is your first time that you work under linux and more hard if is not your lenguage |
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| 01:44.07 | sanxiyn | Seb: IIRC Debian applications doesn't ship *.so... Devel ones have *.so symlinked to *.so.whatever.number.attached |
| 01:44.14 | Seb | illuminati: so what are you trying to accomplish ? |
| 01:44.19 | asg | illuminati: what is your native language? |
| 01:44.29 | illuminati | spanish |
| 01:44.33 | illuminati | :( |
| 01:44.33 | doublehp | nobody for gprof ? |
| 01:44.36 | zenlunatic | Seb: It's hdb |
| 01:44.38 | asg | illuminati: then #debian-es is a better place |
| 01:44.42 | Seb | sanxiyn: interesting, I had never noticed that |
| 01:44.47 | illuminati | i know |
| 01:44.47 | sanxiyn | doublehp: This is not gprof channel :-) |
| 01:44.50 | zenlunatic | Seb: symbolic link or hard link? |
| 01:44.53 | Seb | zenlunatic: then sudo ln -s /dev/hdb /dev/cdrom |
| 01:44.55 | asg | illuminati: nobody awake tonight? |
| 01:44.59 | Seb | zenlunatic: symbolic please :) |
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| 01:45.16 | sanxiyn | Seb: So kalelme saying he have /usr/lib/blahblah.so.3 means he probably doesn't have -dev package. |
| 01:45.16 | illuminati | but there are no people that whant to help |
| 01:45.18 | rillian | stupid host config question: I have localhost in /etc/hosts, and order hosts,bind in /etc/host.conf, but 'host localhost' appears to be going through bind looking for localhost.domain. Am I missing something? Both debian installs I've checked do this. |
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| 01:45.30 | Seb | sanxiyn: interesting, I had never noticed that. I thought all the -dev packages brought to the table were a few .h files |
| 01:45.41 | asg | rillian: paste the localhost line from /etc/hosts |
| 01:45.41 | zenlunatic | Seb: Thx. Problem solved. |
| 01:45.45 | [3g]SaintDogbert | this is really affecting my self esteem |
| 01:45.47 | Seb | so, what is the point of the -dev having the .so vs. the non -dev having the .so.n ? |
| 01:45.48 | sanxiyn | Seb: That's mostly correct. |
| 01:45.55 | Seb | zenlunatic: np |
| 01:46.03 | Justin | !comfort [3g]SaintDogbert |
| 01:46.04 | dpkg | There, there, [3g]SaintDogbert. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:46.07 | Seb | [3g]SaintDogbert: what is ? |
| 01:46.18 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i'm trying to install debian on SATA.. which are raid 0'd |
| 01:46.34 | voltagex | Problem: Sound isn't working. It's been unmuted & configured but I can't get it to work. No error messages this time. Suggestions? |
| 01:46.39 | asg | [3g]SaintDogbert: which installer are you using? |
| 01:46.41 | sanxiyn | Seb: In short, without -dev, anything that isn't supposed to work, will not work. |
| 01:46.45 | [3g]SaintDogbert | b4/Sarge |
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| 01:46.52 | asg | voltagex: are the cables all plugged in correctly |
| 01:47.03 | kalelme | <sanxiyn> ummmm |
| 01:47.08 | Seb | voltagex: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ? |
| 01:47.26 | voltagex | asg: yes, sound was working in windows fine a few minutes ago |
| 01:47.33 | rillian | asg: 127.0.0.1 localhost localhost.lonelymoon.com |
| 01:47.44 | Seb | sanxiyn: I have trouble understanding that last sentence :> |
| 01:47.47 | asg | rillian: switch localhost and localhost.lonelymoon.com |
| 01:47.52 | sanxiyn | kalelme: Ok, I can help you. |
| 01:47.56 | sanxiyn | kalelme: Where did you download mp3lame. |
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| 01:48.10 | coltrane_ | lo all |
| 01:48.13 | Seb | sanxiyn: that doesn't tell me what the point is, of having .so vs. so.n :) |
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| 01:48.18 | asg | eth0 coltrane_ |
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| 01:48.42 | rillian | asg: looks like it's user error. 'host' appears to only do a dns lookup, ignoring /etc/host.conf |
| 01:48.44 | Justin | sanxiyn: will you stop "helping" him compile mplayer. if he wants to install mplayer, there are packages, if he wants to compile it, there is #mplayer |
| 01:48.45 | Seb | kalelme: why don't jsut add mariallt's sources to your soutrces.list, and the napt-get install lame lame-dev ? |
| 01:48.53 | rillian | asg: switching the order doesn't help |
| 01:48.57 | sanxiyn | Justin: ok. |
| 01:49.00 | coltrane_ | i'm watching a simpsons episode and i would like to know if there is another sense for "cursive" than the first one becaude i don't understand a joke and i think it could come from the meaning of this word |
| 01:49.05 | Seb | kalelme: or apt-get install mplayer-586 from the same source, hehe :> |
| 01:49.08 | sanxiyn | kalelme: Did you hear what justin says? :-) |
| 01:49.09 | rillian | asg: but ping always resolves 'localhost' properly |
| 01:49.20 | asg | rillian: ah |
| 01:49.25 | voltagex | what's an app that makes noise, other than a media player? |
| 01:49.28 | indes | rillian, even if your /etc/hosts file is messed? |
| 01:49.34 | voltagex | like a sound tester app |
| 01:49.37 | [3g]SaintDogbert | konqueror? |
| 01:49.37 | kalelme | kalelme: Did you hear what justin says? :-) R: nop |
| 01:49.38 | Justin | voltagex: 21:47 < Seb> voltagex: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp ? |
| 01:49.40 | asg | rillian: as long as hostname and hostname -f return correct values, that's all you need to do with /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 01:49.40 | [3g]SaintDogbert | www.brainpop.com |
| 01:49.46 | sanxiyn | Seb: Perhaps he has some gentoo syndrome wanting to compile mplayer himself? Hehe. |
| 01:49.50 | voltagex | Justin: that won't damage anything? |
| 01:49.50 | Seb | heh |
| 01:50.00 | Seb | voltagex: care to type that command I gave ya ? |
| 01:50.05 | Seb | heh |
| 01:50.13 | Seb | voltagex: if you don't know, don't assume |
| 01:50.20 | voltagex | Seb: what does it do? |
| 01:50.20 | sanxiyn | kalelme: What do you want? |
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| 01:50.23 | rillian | indes: well, if the file's gone entirely, ping can't resolve localhost. but the order doesn't matter |
| 01:50.23 | kalelme | <sanxiyn> my english is any bad and read it slow |
| 01:50.26 | Seb | voltagex: paste it godammit |
| 01:50.30 | sanxiyn | kalelme: /query me. |
| 01:50.36 | asg | voltagex: if it makes a horrible farty noise, your sound works |
| 01:50.41 | asg | voltagex: otherwise, not |
| 01:50.43 | indes | rillian, I ment if there was no instance of localhost in /etc/hosts. ;-) |
| 01:50.55 | Seb | apt, tell kakelme about marillat |
| 01:50.59 | indes | rillian, which would be foolish and well, .... |
| 01:51.08 | voltagex | asg: no noise at all |
| 01:51.14 | indes | apt tell indes about marillat |
| 01:51.17 | asg | voltagex: no errors? |
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| 01:51.26 | voltagex | asg: none |
| 01:51.29 | Seb | indes: you can also do /msg apt something :) |
| 01:51.39 | asg | voltagex: then it's a volume / mixer issue |
| 01:51.47 | Seb | voltagex: you'd have to plug the speakers to the sound card, and powerr them on :> |
| 01:51.51 | rillian | indes: oddly enough, this system image came without an /etc/hosts |
| 01:51.55 | paueas | hey guys something is very wrong here that insn't letting me login to vpopmail.. i am just setting this up for the first time.. can anyone tell me why it wouldn't let me login? |
| 01:51.55 | indes | Seb, I am aware. That just sounded interesting. |
| 01:51.55 | Seb | and use aumix or alsamixer |
| 01:51.58 | voltagex | Seb: that's all done |
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| 01:52.05 | indes | rillian, oh, interesting. |
| 01:52.06 | voltagex | Seb: done that too |
| 01:52.08 | rillian | asg: yeah, we made hostname work the way I expected |
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| 01:52.21 | Seb | indes: ok, I meant you *should* do that to limit noise in the channel |
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| 01:52.26 | rillian | asg: I just didn't expect 'host' to ignore the local resolver |
| 01:52.35 | asg | rillian: it does as does dig |
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| 01:52.58 | indes | Seb, yes, again, interest. I was wondering if blootbot would tell me things when I asked him to tell myself.. |
| 01:52.58 | dan2 | asg: getting my ass kicked bad |
| 01:53.04 | ardy | is there a debian package for the intel C/C++ compiler? |
| 01:53.05 | asg | dan2: hah |
| 01:53.11 | imput | how see list bot's ? |
| 01:53.16 | asg | ardy: apt-cache search intel c compiler |
| 01:53.18 | indes | Seb, yet this is causing far more traffic than my tell line. ;-) |
| 01:53.22 | rillian | asg: gosh darned new-flangled tools! :-) |
| 01:53.23 | asg | ardy: if you don't see it, it isn't there |
| 01:53.28 | Seb | indes: ah, got ya :) I thought your 'interesting' referred to the 'marillat' factoid |
| 01:53.32 | Seb | indes: haha :D |
| 01:53.34 | [3g]SaintDogbert | hmm |
| 01:53.48 | [3g]SaintDogbert | if i installed debian on a sata hdd |
| 01:53.50 | voltagex | I'll try a reboot |
| 01:53.54 | asg | rillian: true though there job is querying nameservers, not fooling about with local resolver dbs |
| 01:53.55 | [3g]SaintDogbert | how would i then make it a raid0 |
| 01:53.59 | asg | s/there/their/ |
| 01:53.59 | Seb | voltagex: that *definitely* won't fix shit |
| 01:54.00 | [3g]SaintDogbert | onto the other hdd |
| 01:54.05 | indes | Seb, nah, interest into the innerworkings of the undocumented bot. ;-) |
| 01:54.09 | asg | !kick irc for making my spelling so fucking bad |
| 01:54.09 | Seb | heheh |
| 01:54.13 | Justin | indes: /msg dpkg help |
| 01:54.15 | indes | Seb, where the documentation is trial and error |
| 01:54.21 | voltagex | Seb: it made gpm work |
| 01:54.28 | ardy | asg: thanks,.. it doesn't exist I guess |
| 01:54.29 | voltagex | so it;s worth a try |
| 01:54.31 | Seb | voltagex: ok, whatever then |
| 01:54.37 | Seb | voltagex: reboot and pray it'll fix it |
| 01:54.37 | rillian | asg: sure. it's find now that I know what they're doing. thanks for the help! |
| 01:54.40 | asg | ardy: you can probably download it from intel.com |
| 01:54.45 | Seb | voltagex: then come back and ask for some more help |
| 01:54.48 | indes | Justin, Did you know that you can tell apt to tell yourself things? I would assume that it would call you a fool for such request.. |
| 01:54.50 | asg | rillian: you're welcome |
| 01:54.52 | voltagex | Seb: I've run out of other options anyway |
| 01:54.58 | Seb | voltagex: is it alsa or not ? |
| 01:55.04 | Justin | indes: of course it will, it does what you tell it to do |
| 01:55.06 | voltagex | Seb: it's alsa |
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| 01:55.19 | asg | Justin: well, not everything. O_o |
| 01:55.20 | Seb | voltagex: wait a minute |
| 01:55.26 | Seb | voltagex: did you enable OSS compatibility ? |
| 01:55.28 | voltagex | hmmm it's detected the right brand of sound thingy but wrong model |
| 01:55.34 | voltagex | Seb: yes |
| 01:55.38 | Justin | voltagex: fix. the. volume. |
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| 01:55.45 | Seb | voltagex: so you have /dev/dsp, you're part of audio ? |
| 01:55.48 | voltagex | I have onboard AC97 |
| 01:55.49 | Seb | Justin: :) |
| 01:55.58 | Seb | Justin: he seems pretty ocnvinced he's done that, but I feel ya :> |
| 01:55.59 | voltagex | Justin: done that |
| 01:56.04 | Justin | voltagex: you claim to have |
| 01:56.45 | Seb | voltagex: honestly, we don't think what else might be wrong |
| 01:56.47 | voltagex | Justin: what hope do I have if you don't beleive that I know what's on my motherboard |
| 01:56.50 | Seb | s/think/see |
| 01:57.04 | Justin | voltagex: who gives a shit what is on your motherboard, fix the volume |
| 01:57.09 | Seb | voltagex: try alsaplayer anyway |
| 01:57.15 | voltagex | Justin: I have done that |
| 01:57.23 | Justin | voltagex: no, you claim to have |
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| 01:57.53 | Justin | saying "I have done that" does not mean anything unless you actually say what you did |
| 01:58.04 | Seb | heh |
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| 01:58.18 | voltagex | Justin: I have fixed the volume |
| 01:58.18 | cyberkni_ | I am trying to setup postfix and I am getting this error in my /var/log/mail.log file smtpd[8755]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms any ideas? |
| 01:58.21 | Seb | voltagex: t r y a l s a p l a y e r |
| 01:58.22 | Justin | like "I installed a new kernel" usually really means "I download a tar.gz" |
| 01:58.28 | asg | cyberkni_: #postfix |
| 01:58.34 | Seb | cyberkni_: read the doc to figure out how to enable SASL |
| 01:58.40 | Justin | and "I fixed the volume" usually means "I only bothered to move one of the sliders" |
| 01:58.50 | Seb | heheh |
| 01:58.52 | voltagex | Justin: how many am I meant to move? |
| 01:59.03 | Seb | voltagex: all of them, for testing sake |
| 01:59.05 | [3g]SaintDogbert | guys.. could i use something in debian to make my hdd's RAID0 after i've installed it onto one? |
| 01:59.13 | Seb | better, do that while cat'ing /dev/urandom to /dev/dsp |
| 01:59.38 | Seb | [3g]SaintDogbert: you mean other thaqn reading the RAID HOWTO ? |
| 01:59.40 | Nurbs | [3g]SaintDogbert: no, not those that you have installed to |
| 01:59.48 | [3g]SaintDogbert | uh |
| 01:59.51 | Nurbs | [3g]SaintDogbert: except for free partitions |
| 01:59.56 | [3g]SaintDogbert | woah. |
| 01:59.58 | [3g]SaintDogbert | lol |
| 02:00.04 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i'm confused |
| 02:00.09 | [3g]SaintDogbert | like |
| 02:00.09 | voltagex | voltagex@debian:~$ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/audio |
| 02:00.09 | voltagex | deadcat: write error: Invalid argument |
| 02:00.13 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i have 2 sata drives |
| 02:00.16 | Justin | [3g]SaintDogbert: which version of debian are you trying to install? |
| 02:00.21 | [3g]SaintDogbert | b4/Sarge |
| 02:00.22 | asg | fuck, anyone got a fallout shelter in the North / South Carolina area |
| 02:00.24 | voltagex | wtf deadcat |
| 02:00.42 | cafuego | asg: No, the UN banned them, we'd prefer all americans to die if it came to war. |
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| 02:00.49 | Justin | [3g]SaintDogbert: what the hell is "b4/sarge"? |
| 02:00.54 | [3g]SaintDogbert | Sarge |
| 02:00.59 | [3g]SaintDogbert | :P |
| 02:01.04 | [3g]SaintDogbert | aka Debian 4 |
| 02:01.10 | Seb | voltagex: /dev/dsp |
| 02:01.15 | cafuego | [3g]SaintDogbert: 3.1, you mean? |
| 02:01.16 | treed | for debian-installer, what's more current, beta 4 or the release candidate? |
| 02:01.19 | asg | cafuego: I'm trying to escape the Reagan died, must tell you all about it and cry -n -stuff shit that is invading my paid for entertainment |
| 02:01.20 | [3g]SaintDogbert | uh no |
| 02:01.21 | [3g]SaintDogbert | beta 4 |
| 02:01.21 | voltagex | Seb: same error with /dev/dsp |
| 02:01.26 | treed | the site isn't clear |
| 02:01.31 | Seb | voltagex: does that mean you haven't tried that command earlier whne you said you had ? |
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| 02:01.37 | cafuego | treed: tc1 (test candidate 1) is more recent. |
| 02:01.39 | Seb | voltagex: no fucking way |
| 02:01.44 | treed | thanks |
| 02:01.47 | voltagex | no, it means I didn't get that error before I move moore sliders in the mixer |
| 02:01.53 | sanxiyn | <justin> "I fixed the volume" usually means "I only bothered to move one of the sliders" -- now that was funny. |
| 02:01.54 | Seb | what what what |
| 02:01.59 | Seb | twilight zone here |
| 02:02.13 | treed | cafuego, thanks |
| 02:02.21 | voltagex | SUCCESSS |
| 02:02.35 | voltagex | horrible farty noises @ loud volume |
| 02:02.39 | Seb | voltagex: so what was the problem ? |
| 02:02.40 | asg | sanxiyn: it would have been funny if he moved 'Microphone' and we all heard it. |
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| 02:02.46 | Seb | haha |
| 02:02.47 | voltagex | Seb: not a clue |
| 02:03.05 | asg | Justin: he moved >1 slider |
| 02:03.12 | Seb | voltagex: you stupid fuck |
| 02:03.17 | Seb | voltagex: you know damn well |
| 02:03.23 | Seb | wasting our time |
| 02:03.25 | sanxiyn | asg: It is still funny without Microphone, IMO :-) |
| 02:03.35 | asg | sanxiyn: oh yes |
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| 02:04.11 | voltagex | :'( |
| 02:04.22 | Seb | voltagex: the problem was exactly what Justin told ya, to "fix the volume". To which you only bothered to answer 'done that' |
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| 02:04.46 | voltagex | I am sorry for not moving sliders other than main volume |
| 02:04.53 | voltagex | I am sorry for wasting your time |
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| 02:05.03 | voltagex | I am sorry for being a stupid fucking newbie |
| 02:05.04 | asg | voltagex: don't worry about it; learn from the experience. |
| 02:05.07 | Seb | voltagex: fair enough. Now you know what PCM is, and the importance it cn have :> |
| 02:05.13 | sanxiyn | !comfort voltagex |
| 02:05.14 | dpkg | There, there, voltagex. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 02:05.28 | Seb | voltagex: take it for a lesson that when people insist on something you think you did, you should double-check that |
| 02:05.46 | sanxiyn | Linux should get better volume control. |
| 02:06.09 | asg | sanxiyn: it works fine as it is |
| 02:06.10 | sanxiyn | Too many sliders I guess? :-) |
| 02:06.12 | Randy | linux is my bitch |
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| 02:06.22 | voltagex | sanxiyn: yes |
| 02:06.23 | sanxiyn | asg: I meant better usability. |
| 02:06.23 | asg | Randy: yeah, OpenBSD is the shit |
| 02:06.33 | Randy | hah |
| 02:06.39 | Seb | asg: OpenBSd *is* the shit, btw :> |
| 02:06.39 | asg | sanxiyn: dunno, aumix has always seemed pretty straight forward to me |
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| 02:06.49 | Seb | asg: do you use it ? :) |
| 02:07.01 | asg | Seb: not currently. I have. |
| 02:07.10 | Seb | asg: k |
| 02:07.34 | asg | Seb: mostly a response to Randy's ejaculation |
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| 02:07.51 | Randy | Yes everything is about my ejaculation |
| 02:08.05 | Randy | I want to run a openBSD box and call it "Rock" |
| 02:08.10 | Randy | that would me real good |
| 02:08.21 | asg | Randy: Rock? |
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| 02:08.24 | sanxiyn | Does it rock? |
| 02:08.28 | quasiben | is asg here ? |
| 02:08.32 | asg | quasiben: yes |
| 02:08.32 | sanxiyn | Does it rule? |
| 02:08.43 | mindz | me is running a nt-box calling it shit ? |
| 02:08.46 | Randy | No I would call it rock because it cant do shit.. its just a solid o/s |
| 02:08.48 | quasiben | Ah..i wanted to thank you for your help..everything worked flawlessly |
| 02:09.00 | asg | quasiben: you're welcome |
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| 02:09.03 | quasiben | the kernel update was painless and mounting with hfspluss did the trick |
| 02:09.10 | sanxiyn | So it is a rock-solid non-rock. Wow. |
| 02:09.11 | asg | quasiben: glad to hear |
| 02:09.18 | asg | sanxiyn: pebbles |
| 02:09.31 | asg | sanxiyn: under pressure |
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| 02:09.44 | asg | sanxiyn: teenage punk ninja peebles |
| 02:09.47 | voltagex | bye, thatnks for your help |
| 02:10.02 | sanxiyn | asg: Enough OpenBSD bashing. |
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| 02:10.11 | asg | sanxiyn: I'm not, I was Randy bashing |
| 02:10.55 | sanxiyn | s/is/are/ |
| 02:10.57 | asg | sanxiyn: a kickass breakfast ceral |
| 02:11.01 | asg | s/ceral/cereal/ |
| 02:11.54 | sanxiyn | "O teenage punk ninja pebbles, you are like kickass breakfast cereals." That sounds almost poetic. |
| 02:12.12 | asg | sanxiyn: >_< |
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| 02:13.37 | jammin | hello |
| 02:14.06 | jammin | im *trying* to install debian for the first time off a mini cd |
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| 02:15.00 | asg | jammin: I assume it isn't going according to plan |
| 02:15.40 | jammin | install seems to well, then it asks me which "module needed by your ethernet card", thing is i use a laptop for lan sessions and aint got an ethernet card, my modems a cable usb...should i just skip this part? |
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| 02:16.02 | mindz | apt-cache search flux |
| 02:16.07 | mindz | damn ^^ |
| 02:16.24 | tillo | =) |
| 02:16.28 | jammin | ? |
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| 02:16.44 | asg | jammin: your cable modem likely communicates with your laptop using ethernet. |
| 02:16.45 | tillo | (= |
| 02:16.49 | sanxiyn | jammin: I wish you good luck |
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| 02:16.58 | asg | jammin: any idea what your machine's ethernet card make is? |
| 02:17.01 | directhex | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.07 | directhex | ^^ |
| 02:17.07 | tillo | asg: usb =) |
| 02:17.10 | jammin | asg>my box aint got one |
| 02:17.12 | jammin | nil |
| 02:17.22 | jammin | not even one on the mobo |
| 02:17.25 | asg | tillo: bah, it's late |
| 02:17.27 | asg | tillo: :) |
| 02:17.31 | tillo | lol |
| 02:17.37 | StyXman | hi all. which is the equivalente deb in sid for woody's python2.2-elisp? |
| 02:17.44 | tillo | and i'm not lagged... that's the problem :D |
| 02:17.44 | mindz | early in the morning .... |
| 02:17.53 | tillo | yeah really |
| 02:17.57 | jammin | should i just skip this bit? |
| 02:18.06 | asg | StyXman: python2.2-elisp - Emacs-lisp python-mode for the scripting language Python (v2.2) |
| 02:18.09 | tillo | jammin: what do you think? |
| 02:18.12 | jammin | yes |
| 02:18.16 | sanxiyn | StyXman: python-mode |
| 02:18.17 | tillo | so do it =) |
| 02:18.19 | jammin | not too sure |
| 02:18.22 | tillo | eheh |
| 02:18.22 | StyXman | asg: in sid? |
| 02:18.23 | jammin | good point |
| 02:18.26 | tillo | u can skip ·þ |
| 02:18.29 | jammin | k |
| 02:18.30 | asg | StyXman: on this sid box, yet |
| 02:18.33 | asg | s/yet/yes/ |
| 02:18.37 | asg | grrr |
| 02:18.52 | tillo | asg: don't try to speak at 04:18 CET :D |
| 02:18.53 | StyXman | sanxiyn: yeap, that one |
| 02:19.03 | asg | tillo: 22:19 EST |
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| 02:19.06 | sanxiyn | StyXman: Yes, it changed its name while 2.3 transition. |
| 02:19.09 | mindz | python-mode - Emacs-lisp python-mode for the Python language |
| 02:19.11 | mindz | ? |
| 02:19.13 | asg | tillo: oops, EDT |
| 02:19.13 | tillo | asg: oh =) |
| 02:19.15 | jammin | oh, and should i use linux26 at the boot install to install 2.6.whatever? or will it be better for a n00b like me to go with standard? |
| 02:19.22 | StyXman | mindz: yap, that one too :) |
| 02:19.24 | tillo | eh :D better |
| 02:19.25 | asg | tillo: it's only 11pm but I was on at 8am |
| 02:19.31 | asg | tillo: long day |
| 02:19.36 | [3g]SaintDogbert | has anyone here ever installed debian on a sata drive? |
| 02:19.36 | jammin | tis 3:15 here.... |
| 02:19.41 | asg | tillo: too many beers |
| 02:19.42 | jammin | am |
| 02:19.49 | StyXman | asg: maybe you installed it before 2.3 and now is an old pkg never removed |
| 02:20.07 | tillo | asg: naaah I'm on usually at 06:30, and I go sleep at 00:30 |
| 02:20.15 | asg | StyXman: I did an apt-cache search python elisp (that's the largest package that came up python versionwise.) |
| 02:20.25 | jammin | right, well im gonna try again, thanks |
| 02:20.27 | sanxiyn | jammin: Go with standard and upgrade Kernel later. |
| 02:20.27 | tillo | asg: the beers, that's the only reason ^_° |
| 02:20.27 | asg | tillo: hehe |
| 02:20.30 | jammin | bye |
| 02:20.33 | sanxiyn | jammin: linux26 is experimental. |
| 02:20.39 | Guerin-Zzz | asg: still burning the candle? |
| 02:20.46 | rico | which distro is better KNOPPIX or DEBIAN? |
| 02:20.46 | asg | Guerin-Zzz: so it would seem |
| 02:20.48 | StyXman | asg: weird |
| 02:20.55 | tillo | sanxiyn: experimental? :D |
| 02:20.56 | StyXman | here reports python-mode |
| 02:21.02 | StyXman | and nothing more |
| 02:21.04 | asg | Guerin: 'bout to have a smoke, finish this beer, have a glass of milk and go to bed. |
| 02:21.06 | tillo | sanxiyn: kernel.org sais 'stable' lol |
| 02:21.20 | Guerin | asg: milk after beer? |
| 02:21.21 | spoopin | asg! |
| 02:21.24 | asg | Guerin: yes |
| 02:21.25 | sanxiyn | tillo: I meant, "linux26" boot parameter of Debian Installer Candidate 1 is experimental. |
| 02:21.26 | asg | spoopin: hiya mate |
| 02:21.29 | sanxiyn | tillo: It was shorthand. |
| 02:21.30 | tillo | rico: better on not better, that's the problem.... |
| 02:21.33 | asg | spoopin: we on for tomorrow then? |
| 02:21.39 | tillo | sanxiyn: oh =) sorry |
| 02:21.41 | spoopin | asg: absolutely |
| 02:21.46 | asg | spoopin: cool |
| 02:21.48 | spoopin | asg: :) |
| 02:22.05 | rico | I am trying to decide what to install? |
| 02:22.11 | asg | spoopin: so, how are things? |
| 02:22.15 | sanxiyn | rico: Why do you ask it on #debian? :-) |
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| 02:22.29 | asg | rico: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 02:22.37 | spoopin | asg: cool. I'm playing with a sftp logging patch for OpenSSH |
| 02:22.56 | asg | spoopin: ah neat. I noticed you were down the other day. |
| 02:23.08 | spoopin | asg: uhhh... I was? |
| 02:23.14 | `Butthead | does anyone know of a setting to stop the virutal screen of the x server becomming bigger then the physical screen. When I change the resolution via CTRL ALT +/-, on the lower resolution the screen is bigger and you have to move the mouse to the sides of the screen to see the rest of it. |
| 02:23.17 | spoopin | asg: musta been the net connection |
| 02:23.18 | asg | spoopin: yeah, kept dropping connections |
| 02:23.20 | `Butthead | anyone run into this before? |
| 02:23.28 | asg | spoopin: not net connections, sftp connections. |
| 02:23.29 | green-ears | rico: have a look at sarge netinstaller http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
| 02:23.35 | cafuego | Uh yeah, don't use 2.6 on the PPC version of Sarge tc1 |
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| 02:23.57 | spoopin | asg: weird - I didn't see anything unusual in the logs... |
| 02:23.58 | asg | `Butthead: man XF86Config-4 (see the Virtual and Viewport options) |
| 02:24.02 | asg | spoopin: hmmm, odd. |
| 02:24.11 | sanxiyn | rico: You will get hardly objective comparison by asking Debian vs. Knoppix here... |
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| 02:24.17 | `Butthead | asg: thanks |
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| 02:24.24 | spoopin | asg: I'll get details from you tommorrow, I guess.... |
| 02:24.25 | asg | `Butthead: you're welcome |
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| 02:24.34 | spoopin | asg: do you remember what day it was? |
| 02:24.35 | Guerin | !tell rico about essentially debian |
| 02:24.39 | asg | spoopin: not much to tell really. I'd connect and it immediately dropped connection. |
| 02:24.40 | rico | is one c enough to install gentoo |
| 02:24.47 | asg | spoopin: wednesday I think |
| 02:24.50 | [3g]SaintDogbert | -_- |
| 02:24.58 | spoopin | asg: were you lemming or asg? |
| 02:25.00 | ardy | how do I make Kdevelop compile my c/c++ project with specific libs? |
| 02:25.01 | asg | spoopin: I assumed you were tweaking something so didn't bother with it. |
| 02:25.03 | asg | spoopin: lemming |
| 02:25.23 | Guerin | ardy: ask in #kde |
| 02:25.26 | [3g]SaintDogbert | has nobody tried installing debian on beta 4? |
| 02:25.34 | Guerin | ardy: and RTFM, it's bound to be in there |
| 02:25.36 | spoopin | asg: different accounts - I'll explain tommorow. It should work as asg |
| 02:25.37 | asg | [3g]SaintDogbert: yes |
| 02:25.39 | rico | is one CD enough to install Debian? |
| 02:25.46 | [3g]SaintDogbert | asg: have they been successful? |
| 02:25.47 | sanxiyn | rico: Yes. |
| 02:25.51 | mindz | more then enough ;) |
| 02:25.52 | Guerin | [3g]SaintDogbert: many people have done it successfully |
| 02:25.57 | asg | spoopin: hmmm, okay. |
| 02:25.58 | [3g]SaintDogbert | then why can't i? :P |
| 02:25.59 | Guerin | !tell rico about d-i |
| 02:26.00 | green-ears | rico: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
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| 02:26.09 | asg | [3g]SaintDogbert: they have (ask in #debian-boot) |
| 02:26.10 | Guerin | [3g]SaintDogbert: pebcak error? |
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| 02:26.20 | [3g]SaintDogbert | shh guerin |
| 02:26.21 | sanxiyn | asg: Well, he went to #debian-boot.. |
| 02:26.24 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i'm doing everything right :P |
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| 02:26.37 | [3g]SaintDogbert | theres one person there.. and he's clueless |
| 02:26.40 | directhex | [3g]SaintDogbert, use tc1 instead of b4 ? |
| 02:26.44 | Guerin | [3g]SaintDogbert: what hardware are you using? |
| 02:26.47 | asg | sanxiyn: ah, one clueless person. hmmm. |
| 02:26.50 | spoopin | asg: lemming is a real shell account - asg is sftp only with a restricted shell |
| 02:27.00 | siimo | hi is there a way to get the redhat/bluecurve widgets in debian kde 3.2 ? im using that theme for gtk apps so would like to use it for qt too |
| 02:27.00 | ardy | Guerin: thanks |
| 02:27.01 | [3g]SaintDogbert | uh |
| 02:27.03 | asg | spoopin: oh, okay. |
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| 02:27.08 | [3g]SaintDogbert | guerin what do you mean |
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| 02:27.24 | Guerin | [3g]SaintDogbert: the question is pretty clear |
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| 02:27.32 | [3g]SaintDogbert | uh.. GA-7n400 pro2 |
| 02:27.37 | [3g]SaintDogbert | with built in sataraid and gigaraid |
| 02:27.43 | [3g]SaintDogbert | 2 sata hard drives |
| 02:27.46 | [3g]SaintDogbert | which i will raid later |
| 02:27.53 | Guerin | [3g]SaintDogbert: x86? |
| 02:28.01 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i386 |
| 02:28.05 | asg | spoopin: oh, a teacher at school got mailbombed this week. |
| 02:28.05 | sanxiyn | x86. |
| 02:28.10 | asg | sanxiyn: awesome |
| 02:28.20 | spoopin | asg: fun - just one teacher? |
| 02:28.20 | asg | grr |
| 02:28.35 | asg | spoopin: yes, just one. Pissed someone off apparently |
| 02:28.40 | asg | spoopin: 250k mails per day |
| 02:28.50 | Guerin | [3g]SaintDogbert: sata is doable with the sarge instaler - but I haven't done it, so you'll need to wait and talk to someone who has |
| 02:28.57 | spoopin | asg: quite - any clues as to the culprit? |
| 02:28.59 | [3g]SaintDogbert | thats what i'm trying to find |
| 02:29.01 | [3g]SaintDogbert | :P |
| 02:29.13 | directhex | [3g]SaintDogbert, RAID later in what way? |
| 02:29.18 | [3g]SaintDogbert | uh |
| 02:29.23 | [3g]SaintDogbert | seeing as how i cant install it on raid0 now |
| 02:29.26 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i might fix it later |
| 02:29.33 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i just want to get the server up and running for now |
| 02:29.49 | asg | spoopin: not really, an email address. Basically, they spoofed mail to 5000 or so machines with this guy as the envelope sender causing him to receive a shitload of bounces |
| 02:30.13 | asg | spoopin: he's an asshole though so it gave me great pleasure to block all traffic for him. |
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| 02:30.58 | gokee2_ | "Debian is not Knoppix." But Knoppix IS Debian |
| 02:31.04 | asg | gokee2_: not |
| 02:31.07 | majkl | Anybody has experiences with dhcp-relay configuration ? I have dhcp server in another subnet as dhcp-clients are, and on router between then I installed dhcp-relay. But on dhcp-server I don't know ho to configure interfaces :( dhcp-server with dhcpd.conf where is declaration about other subnet as is connected server interface say, that can't find interface in declarated subnet in dhcpd.conf ..what to do? create on dhcp-server eth:X alias? |
| 02:31.10 | Justin | [3g]SaintDogbert: why can't you install it on raid? |
| 02:31.15 | gokee2_ | Knoppix is debian |
| 02:31.20 | majkl | with ip from dhcp-cliets network ? |
| 02:31.22 | Justin | gokee2_: saying something does not make it true |
| 02:31.29 | asg | gokee2_: no, knoppix is knoppix. If it was debian is would be called debian |
| 02:31.36 | sbetore | gokee2_: THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP SO MANY TIMES |
| 02:31.39 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i dunno justin |
| 02:31.43 | sbetore | gokee2_: go away plz kthx. |
| 02:31.45 | gokee2_ | I am not saying debian is knoppix |
| 02:31.48 | [3g]SaintDogbert | its actually not installing with or without raid |
| 02:31.54 | [3g]SaintDogbert | so raids probably not the problem |
| 02:31.57 | sanxiyn | gokee2_: Go away go away. |
| 02:31.59 | sbetore | gokee2_: Yes you are. |
| 02:32.02 | asg | gokee2_: you're saying something else which is also not correct. |
| 02:32.11 | Justin | [3g]SaintDogbert: then why are you going on and on about raid if that isn't the problem? |
| 02:32.18 | spoopin | asg: I heard something about a worm that does that - one guy got spam from his own wife |
| 02:32.27 | sbetore | We should make this large page of reasons why Debian is not Knoppix |
| 02:32.34 | gokee2_ | just like kanotix is is knoppix but knoppix is not kanotix |
| 02:32.37 | asg | spoopin: yeah, I'm pretty sure this was directed though. |
| 02:32.37 | gokee2_ | anyway |
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| 02:32.54 | spoopin | asg: and she got many many bounce messages |
| 02:33.07 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i dont know justin |
| 02:33.09 | spoopin | asg: quite - sounds like he deserves it :) |
| 02:33.09 | sanxiyn | gokee2_: Isn't relation "A is B" usually symmetric? |
| 02:33.12 | [3g]SaintDogbert | but can you help me install it on sata? |
| 02:33.13 | asg | spoopin: well a quarter of a million in 24 hours is way more than we are rated for. |
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| 02:33.20 | [3g]SaintDogbert | or have you not done it |
| 02:33.25 | dan2 | asg: hey |
| 02:33.33 | asg | spoopin: thought the queue was going to have a thrombo |
| 02:33.33 | spoopin | asg: how'd everyting hold up? |
| 02:33.38 | asg | spoopin: pretty good |
| 02:33.41 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 02:33.43 | gokee2_ | hmm |
| 02:33.51 | spoopin | asg: score one for Exim |
| 02:33.54 | Justin | [3g]SaintDogbert: is sata what you think your actual problem is? |
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| 02:34.05 | [3g]SaintDogbert | most likely |
| 02:34.17 | asg | spoopin: yeah |
| 02:34.29 | dan2 | asg: webdav is interesting :) |
| 02:34.31 | asg | spoopin: it was flagging on the large queue though |
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| 02:34.42 | dan2 | asg: all I can say is it works well |
| 02:34.46 | balzac | greetings |
| 02:34.47 | asg | dan2: a hack if you ask me but it does have some compelling properties |
| 02:34.53 | balzac | question: |
| 02:34.58 | balzac | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:35.06 | asg | dan2: I just wish the clients would implement it correctly. |
| 02:35.07 | spoopin | asg: just couldn't deliver it fast enough or ran out of disk space? |
| 02:35.13 | dan2 | asg: this is true |
| 02:35.28 | asg | spoopin: not a space problem, the queue had 70k on it when I got in to work. |
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| 02:35.39 | asg | spoopin: exim isn't designed to queue a lot of mail for long periods of time. |
| 02:35.46 | `Butthead | asg: well, if I am readign the manpage right, it says use the ViewPort x y option, but dosent work, am I not reading it right? |
| 02:35.55 | asg | spoopin: the backend exchange system had issues causing a loss of delivery |
| 02:36.21 | directhex | [3g]SaintDogbert, which controller is used on that board? silicon image, promise, ? |
| 02:36.22 | spoopin | asg: ah - that's the bottleneck, is it? |
| 02:36.22 | asg | `Butthead: Viewport 0 0 |
| 02:36.31 | asg | `Butthead: Don't forget about the Virtual option |
| 02:36.36 | sanxiyn | directhex: silicon image... |
| 02:36.40 | dan2 | asg: I think I have to start programming in d |
| 02:36.47 | `Butthead | asg: ahh. |
| 02:36.53 | asg | spoopin: yes. I'm contemplating a move to qmail for queued delivery to exim to exchange |
| 02:36.55 | dan2 | asg: garbage collection and no pointers :) |
| 02:36.58 | sanxiyn | directhex: Actually I doubt whether his problem is SATA-related. Even that is not certain. |
| 02:37.01 | Justin | `Butthead: use xrandr, not control alt + if you want to change the actual size of the screen |
| 02:37.05 | asg | dan2: but pointers are fun |
| 02:37.05 | dan2 | asg: pointers are a pain in the ass |
| 02:37.25 | directhex | sanxiyn, booted tc1 with default 2.4.26 and 2.6.5 kernels? |
| 02:37.47 | sanxiyn | directhex: [3g] said he booted b4 with default 2.4. |
| 02:37.49 | asg | spoopin: brb |
| 02:38.00 | spoopin | asg: cool. discussion points for tommorrow - I'm out for the night. |
| 02:38.08 | spoopin | asg: see you about noon? |
| 02:38.10 | sanxiyn | directhex: Well, and other combinations. People on #debian-boot was uncertain whether tc1 would fix it. |
| 02:38.17 | dan2 | asg: compiles fast because it uses symbol tables instead of header files :) |
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| 02:39.03 | directhex | sanxiyn, [3g]SaintDogbert, i've played with both b4 and tc1. tc1's use of raid is FAR better implemented. it's worth trying |
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| 02:39.10 | ashtar | Hi |
| 02:39.18 | dan2 | asg: strong typedefs, no malloc and free! |
| 02:39.22 | [3g]SaintDogbert | ok |
| 02:39.24 | [3g]SaintDogbert | i'll get it |
| 02:40.34 | ashtar | I had a friend at my place yesterday who spent his some time trolling in this channel, I'm new with Irc, how long until I can use my other computer in this channel? |
| 02:40.35 | directhex | [3g]SaintDogbert, and if it doesn't work then, try booting "linux26" as the option |
| 02:40.36 | [3g]SaintDogbert | ok thanks for your help |
| 02:40.40 | [3g]SaintDogbert | ok |
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| 02:41.32 | ashtar | acctually he got banned in all channels that I had in, my "tabs" |
| 02:42.15 | Guerin | ashtar: find out what op banned him and contact that op with explanations and apologies |
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| 02:42.31 | Guerin | ashtar: what nick did he use, btw? Not f00b4r? |
| 02:42.40 | ashtar | same |
| 02:42.43 | ashtar | Ashtar |
| 02:42.57 | asg | spoopin: noon sounds good |
| 02:43.03 | Guerin | ashtar: yeah, contact the op and hope |
| 02:43.30 | ashtar | hehe, How can I find out which op that banned him |
| 02:43.31 | Guerin | ashtar: but it's YOSF for leaving your box logged in |
| 02:43.34 | spoopin | asg: cool - I'll see you then. |
| 02:43.39 | Guerin | ashtar: you don't take logs? |
| 02:43.42 | asg | spoopin: see ya |
| 02:44.01 | ashtar | I told you, I'm new with irc |
| 02:44.22 | Guerin | ashtar: what IRC client do you use? It might take logs automatically |
| 02:44.23 | ashtar | I used the irc client that comes with mozilla |
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| 02:45.19 | asg | dan2: so, you've done python, c, c++, and now your on to d? |
| 02:45.25 | mickeyks | why would installing tk8.3 mean removing esound-common and gsfonts ? |
| 02:45.48 | directhex | because esound is evil & wrong? |
| 02:46.01 | mickeyks | but how does tk8.3 know that? |
| 02:46.04 | asg | mickeyks: they are dependent on something that conflicts with tk8.3 |
| 02:46.06 | Guerin | !esd |
| 02:46.06 | dpkg | hmm... esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
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| 02:46.29 | asg | Guerin: hehe, enhanced segfault daemon |
| 02:46.35 | mickeyks | hahaha |
| 02:46.38 | mickeyks | that sounds great |
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| 02:47.30 | asg | FieldySnuts: eveningtoomuchbeerwangtekk |
| 02:47.43 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 02:47.52 | asg | FieldySnuts: yes |
| 02:48.01 | ashtar | If I can't find out who banned me, is there any time limit? |
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| 02:48.25 | mickeyks | ashtar: from where? |
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| 02:48.30 | ashtar | this channel |
| 02:48.33 | Guerin | ashtar: heh, it was greycat. good luck. |
| 02:48.58 | mickeyks | how are you here now then |
| 02:48.59 | asg | Guerin: greycat will consider it unless the transgression was large |
| 02:49.15 | Guerin | your mate wasn't doing you many favours though, you should issue him with a couple standard units of beatdown |
| 02:49.37 | asg | Guerin: is beatdown metric or std ? |
| 02:50.08 | dan2 | asg: yeah, D has some nice benefits that C and C++ didn't have |
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| 02:50.16 | patterson | how many beatdown's in a can of woopass ? |
| 02:50.21 | Tachoh_ | 6 |
| 02:50.26 | dan2 | asg: downside is that all headers you want to use must be converted to d modules |
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| 02:50.39 | asg | dan2: there's always a downside :) |
| 02:51.00 | Guerin | asg: the standard unit of beatdowwn varies from place to place, actually |
| 02:51.25 | asg | Guerin: ah, you should submit a patch for units(1) |
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| 02:51.34 | Guerin | patterson: a can of woopass is actually a subset of the beatdown, where I come from |
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| 02:52.30 | ashtar | thanks, I will ask greycat. . |
| 02:52.39 | asg | hurt@sociallysour.org? I think someone needs to pet a kitten |
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| 02:52.52 | cray | um |
| 02:52.52 | cray | hi |
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| 02:52.59 | Guerin | asg: heh |
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| 02:53.13 | cray | can someone perhaps tell me how to browse a remote directory thats located on an http server? i.e. 'not retrieveing the index.html file' and seeing the contents of the directory? |
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| 02:53.34 | Guerin | cray: it's set server-side |
| 02:53.35 | asg | cray: the server decides whether you are allowed to browser or not |
| 02:53.45 | Guerin | cray: if the server admin don't want you to, you can't |
| 02:53.51 | cray | ah |
| 02:53.55 | cray | how can i try though? |
| 02:54.06 | Guerin | cray: are you the server admin? |
| 02:54.11 | cray | well, no |
| 02:54.19 | asg | Guerin: he wants to h4X0rz it |
| 02:54.23 | Guerin | cray: then ask the server admin to allow dir browsing |
| 02:54.23 | cray | they've got some .ra files that i want to download |
| 02:54.23 | Vilim | then the server admin probably doesn't want you trying |
| 02:54.25 | Vilim | so don |
| 02:54.29 | Vilim | *don't |
| 02:54.41 | cray | well, these files (not illegal music) are open to the public |
| 02:54.55 | Guerin | cray: so email the admin and ask him |
| 02:55.03 | cray | but |
| 02:55.05 | Vilim | then find a page that links to them, because you can't get a directory listing if they don't want you to |
| 02:55.07 | asg | cray: get Perl LWP and crawl their site |
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| 02:55.21 | cray | asg: Lol |
| 02:55.21 | asg | Guerin: didn't He-Man use the staff of .ra ? |
| 02:55.35 | asg | cray: provided their usage policy allows you to do so. |
| 02:55.41 | Guerin | asg: I don't know, I avoided he-man as much as I could |
| 02:55.49 | cray | i firmly believe they allow directory browsing i just need to know how i can do it |
| 02:55.53 | asg | Guerin: ah |
| 02:55.54 | dan2 | asg: btw, D also has a very nice threading api |
| 02:56.11 | asg | cray: go to the directory in a browser. If you can't, they don't allow it. |
| 02:56.18 | Guerin | cray: can you log in via ftp? |
| 02:56.19 | asg | dan2: hmmm, cool. |
| 02:56.24 | Supaplex | humm.. this ups freaks when my microwave is on. |
| 02:56.40 | dan2 | asg: there are always two thread by default, main() and the garbage collector |
| 02:56.51 | asg | Supaplex: well, FedEx is known to be impervious |
| 02:56.51 | Guerin | Supaplex: a microwave draws a lot of power, I expect that's it |
| 02:57.02 | mindz | anyone needs a tv running on sid? |
| 02:57.03 | Guerin | !laugh at asg |
| 02:57.04 | lashi | Anyone got 2.6 compiled on woody? |
| 02:57.04 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! asg just cracks me up! |
| 02:57.11 | Guerin | mindz: ??? |
| 02:57.15 | asg | Guerin: it's late, I'm on a roll |
| 02:57.19 | Guerin | !tell lashi about bunk |
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| 02:57.33 | Guerin | asg: heh, sho' nuff |
| 02:57.37 | asg | !nickometer r00t0f3v0L |
| 02:57.37 | dpkg | 'r00t0f3v0L' is 99.9627% lame, asg |
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| 02:57.41 | mindz | Guerin ?? *g* i just finished the little multimeda box here *g* |
| 02:57.47 | cray | well i put the url in the browser and i get a page that says 'the files you are looking for are here' and gives a dead link to nowhere. |
| 02:57.55 | cray | the page coincidentally is called index.html |
| 02:58.10 | asg | cray: contact the webmaster, tell them to get off the coffee break and fix their borkage. |
| 02:58.26 | cray | lol |
| 02:58.31 | Guerin | mindz: what the *g* fuck *g* does that have to do with your question? |
| 02:59.03 | asg | Guerin: didn't know *g* was a form of punctuation. |
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| 02:59.39 | Guerin | asg: neither did I.... |
| 02:59.56 | asg | Guerin: so, did you have a good night's sleep *g* |
| 02:59.59 | Tachoh_ | !nickometer Tachoh |
| 03:00.10 | asg | Tachoh_: don't leave off the '_' |
| 03:00.20 | asg | !nickometer Tachoh_ |
| 03:00.23 | Tachoh | i won't :) |
| 03:00.25 | hash | hi - my sid installation is 2 years old, when installing a package the 'reading database...' phase takes 15 secs (1.5GHz Athlon) - is this normal? |
| 03:00.38 | asg | Tachoh: 23:00 <dpkg> the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for Tachoh_ is 14.000%, asg |
| 03:00.56 | asg | hash: have you updated said installation during that time? |
| 03:01.02 | Tachoh | yeah, 14% lame on a backup nick! |
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| 03:01.17 | hash | asg: updated several times |
| 03:01.19 | asg | Tachoh: it's the one Cap and the '_' that did it. |
| 03:01.30 | OCA| | How stable is fatx writing? Stable enough for installing windows apps via wine to E instead of taking up my precious root? |
| 03:01.38 | asg | hash: apt-get clean ; apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade ... try again |
| 03:01.55 | maher | OCA|: yes |
| 03:02.00 | OCA| | Yay |
| 03:02.02 | Tachoh | naw |
| 03:02.05 | mindz | ls |
| 03:02.07 | mindz | gn |
| 03:02.11 | Tachoh | caps don't take add lame |
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| 03:02.13 | asg | !kick mindz |
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| 03:02.22 | Guerin | asg: yes, I had the most outstanding dream... I dreamt I went to North Korea to work, and (among other things) found a burning artillery train, got lost in a dead end with a bunker in it, and met a korean rasta selling dope |
| 03:02.25 | mindz | pff :P |
| 03:02.28 | modulus | Hi |
| 03:02.30 | Tachoh | not on this one anyway |
| 03:02.35 | Guerin | asg: and that ain't even the half of it |
| 03:02.42 | asg | Tachoh: then it was the underscore. |
| 03:02.42 | modulus | Anyone can help me configure a ATI Radion Mobility IGP 345m |
| 03:02.48 | Tachoh | yep |
| 03:02.52 | modulus | how? |
| 03:03.01 | Fluten | !lart Fluten |
| 03:03.09 | asg | Guerin: hehe *g* you forgot the *g*s though |
| 03:03.25 | Guerin | asg: *g* sorry *g* |
| 03:03.31 | cray | Geurin: i had one just like that! i was on this tramway, then i went into this chamber and this big green spark and all kinds of explosions happend. then i had to fight aliens from the test chamber all the way to someplace called zen! it was hella rad man! |
| 03:03.34 | asg | Guerin: np *g* |
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| 03:03.46 | Tachoh | what the hell is *g*? |
| 03:03.57 | Guerin | Tachoh: ask mindz |
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| 03:04.06 | Tachoh | mindz, what the hell is *g*? |
| 03:04.19 | asg | Tachoh: /lastlog -regex mindz.*\*g |
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| 03:04.33 | lashi | i've been using make-kpkg to build my 2.6 trees. I see a kernel-kbuild package, but I havn't been able to find out any info about it. Anyone know what that's about? |
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| 03:04.36 | cray | guerin: ever play half-life? |
| 03:04.40 | tam9 | does anyone know how i can get my terminal to show colors? it shows black and white and nothing else. |
| 03:04.41 | mindz | thats a g surrounded by 2 stars? :) |
| 03:04.42 | asg | Guerin: they have rastas in NK? |
| 03:04.49 | cray | commie rastas? |
| 03:05.01 | Guerin | cray: heh, yeah - that was your dream... |
| 03:05.06 | Guerin | asg: I doubt it |
| 03:05.22 | asg | Guerin: hmmmm, would be an interesting chain of events though. |
| 03:05.22 | Guerin | asg: but I managed to find one and buy some ganja off him |
| 03:05.32 | asg | Guerin: ah, that's okay then |
| 03:05.39 | Tachoh | so...getting back to buisness, someone donate me a few thousand dollars |
| 03:05.45 | Tachoh | thanks in advance |
| 03:05.54 | asg | !give Tachoh a few thousand turkish dollars |
| 03:05.57 | cray | tachoh: Lol |
| 03:06.04 | dan2 | asg: defacto, the most fun thing to do in programming is debugging :( |
| 03:06.08 | dan2 | :( |
| 03:06.11 | dan2 | :))) |
| 03:06.12 | Guerin | asg: yeah. The country was sort of like a maze of overpasses and underpasses and manholes, it was really easy to get lost, and there were lots of dead ends, in order to confuse and disorient invaders |
| 03:06.39 | asg | Guerin: sounds like a good strategy; like Rome, London, or New York |
| 03:06.50 | asg | dan2: debugging is only fun when you find the bug |
| 03:06.52 | Guerin | asg: yeah, or seoul |
| 03:06.58 | maher | asg: or like house numbers in tokyo |
| 03:07.00 | cray | hmm |
| 03:07.01 | asg | Guerin: :) Never been; wouldn't mind though |
| 03:07.01 | cray | that was odd |
| 03:07.08 | directhex | debugging is only fun when you've been smoking crack |
| 03:07.14 | cray | mirc doesnt handle hebrew characters well :( |
| 03:07.14 | Tachoh | cray, thanks? |
| 03:07.14 | idaho45 | hi, i have installed sarge on a laptop from a cd netinst, during the installation it cannot install the drivers for the pmcia ethernet card, but when it finish the installation and reboot it find that card!! so now i want to know if debian have some network configuration tool? |
| 03:07.14 | asg | maher: my wife's been to tokyo, I had to stay here and make money :( |
| 03:07.23 | cray | that was 3000 shequels |
| 03:07.26 | asg | cray: mirc doesn't handle irc well |
| 03:07.29 | cray | hehe |
| 03:07.31 | cray | mirc sucks |
| 03:07.33 | cray | but hey |
| 03:07.40 | cray | mirc linux is just so cool i had to try it |
| 03:07.41 | maher | idaho45: etherconf |
| 03:07.51 | Tachoh | mirc linux? |
| 03:07.56 | cray | yeah |
| 03:08.01 | Guerin | maher: heh, house number in korea are just as bad ... they reckon that's the main reason posties will never lose their jobs, because they're the only ones who understand how the addresses work |
| 03:08.06 | cray | mirc_0_0_1.i386.rpm |
| 03:08.12 | Tachoh | oh god |
| 03:08.13 | cray | or something like that |
| 03:08.16 | Tachoh | kill me now |
| 03:08.16 | cray | its on sourceforge |
| 03:08.16 | tam9 | rpm!?!? |
| 03:08.18 | asg | Tachoh: like comic chat but with Tux instead of the big pissed off Tiki head. |
| 03:08.24 | cray | well i used the rpm |
| 03:08.27 | cray | there's a tarball available |
| 03:08.28 | maher | Guerin: in tokyo it was deliberate - to confuse invaders... |
| 03:08.36 | idaho45 | maher: seems i dont have it installed |
| 03:08.38 | Guerin | maher: ah, interesting |
| 03:08.43 | maher | idaho45: install it |
| 03:09.01 | mickeyks | some of the commands listed in the kernel changes file do not actually do anything, even if you have the right version of the package installed |
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| 03:09.13 | idaho45 | maher: from the cd netinst? coz i cannot connect to the net |
| 03:09.31 | mickeyks | for example it says to make sure you have jfsutils 1.1.3 by using fsck.jfs -V |
| 03:09.35 | maher | idaho45: ok - edit /etc/network/interfaces then |
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| 03:09.53 | mickeyks | and although i have version 1.1.4-2, that command does nothing for me |
| 03:09.56 | idaho45 | maher: i have read the docs in the debian site and searched in the cd but ... |
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| 03:10.03 | mwilson | mickeyks: Hm? |
| 03:10.04 | Guerin | that is just so very wrong |
| 03:10.12 | mwilson | mickeyks: Good evening, btw. :) |
| 03:10.14 | cray | guerin: what is? |
| 03:10.17 | mickeyks | mwilson: hi |
| 03:10.23 | maher | idaho45: what doesn't work? |
| 03:10.31 | asg | Guerin: yeah, disparaging potatos like that. |
| 03:10.36 | cray | asg: Rofl |
| 03:10.40 | mickeyks | mwilson: i was just looking at the Changes file that comes with the kernel source |
| 03:10.47 | cray | mirclinux.com only has RPM's too |
| 03:10.50 | Guerin | asg: heh, definitely |
| 03:10.52 | cray | tarballs at sourceforge |
| 03:10.53 | idaho45 | maher: thanks, i have see it in the docs, but im too lazy to edit text files :) |
| 03:11.03 | asg | cray: use alien to convert rpms to debs or debianize the source tarball |
| 03:11.03 | mickeyks | mwilson: you know how it gives you commands to verify that you have the latest versions |
| 03:11.22 | mwilson | mickeyks: Yeah, but I never pay much attention to it. What are you running into trouble with? |
| 03:11.35 | maher | idaho45: i don't remember whether etherconf comes with the netinstall cd - probably not... |
| 03:11.37 | Guerin | cray: submit it to a dd and you might even get it into debian!!!11 |
| 03:11.38 | mickeyks | mwilson: i was just saying that some of those commands are not found for me, even though dpkg -l shows that i do have a recent version of the packages in question |
| 03:11.51 | Guerin | cray: ok, now you're spamming |
| 03:11.52 | idaho45 | maher: i have installed the base system and the pcmcia card is recognized but the interface and route table arent set |
| 03:11.53 | tvn | I am looking for a simple backup program, just to backup my homedir weekly and so on - what do you recommend ? |
| 03:12.03 | Guerin | tvn: tar |
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| 03:12.08 | sparr | tvn: cron, tar, and cp |
| 03:12.09 | asg | tvn: tar |
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| 03:12.23 | maher | idaho45: ok - fix /etc/network/interfaces so it looks right and then do /etc/networking restart |
| 03:12.26 | mickeyks | mwilson: it's not a problem per se, as long as i know that the Changes file is wrong and not me |
| 03:12.30 | idaho45 | maher: i will edit the network file ;) bbl |
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| 03:13.50 | asg | Guerin: better get cracking then |
| 03:14.15 | mwilson | mickeyks: The Changes file is right, for some values of "right". :) |
| 03:14.15 | Guerin | s/cracking/hacking/ |
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| 03:14.38 | asg | Guerin: uk slang for 'trot it out with all speed my lad' |
| 03:14.54 | Guerin | asg: Yeah, NZ slang too |
| 03:14.56 | dan2 | asg: mm C decompilers in Debian now |
| 03:15.05 | asg | Guerin: ah :) |
| 03:15.10 | asg | dan2: hmmm |
| 03:15.13 | mickeyks | mwilson: but for example, fsck.jfs -V is not the right way to get the version number of jfsutils. it just seems like a weird mistake. should i file a bug? |
| 03:15.31 | dan2 | asg: isn't that illegal? |
| 03:15.38 | asg | dan2: no |
| 03:15.47 | maher | mickeyks: sure - send a patch containing the correct commands |
| 03:16.03 | asg | dan2: the decompilers produce output totally different to the original source. |
| 03:16.21 | man_in_shack | i need some help setting up apt-proxy |
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| 03:16.26 | asg | dan2: unless it is compled with debug symbols at which point, a debugger would allow you to derive it. |
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| 03:16.46 | mwilson | root@rei:/home/mwilson/Light# fsck.jfs -V |
| 03:16.46 | mwilson | fsck.jfs version 1.1.4, 30-Oct-2003 |
| 03:16.53 | mwilson | mickeyks: It's not? :) |
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| 03:17.16 | mwilson | Setting up jfsutils (1.1.4-2) ... |
| 03:17.32 | dan2 | asg: this is quite interesting |
| 03:17.48 | mickeyks | michael@corinthian:/usr/src/linux$ fsck.jfs -V |
| 03:17.48 | mickeyks | bash: fsck.jfs: command not found |
| 03:17.51 | dan2 | asg: it provided similar output |
| 03:17.54 | asg | dan2: yes, though prolonged exposure to decompiled source makes you blind |
| 03:18.08 | maher | mickeyks: you're not root |
| 03:18.12 | mwilson | mickeyks: Notice your prompt... it's not on your path. |
| 03:18.36 | mickeyks | mwilson: damn. and i thought i was onto something! |
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| 03:19.07 | dan2 | asg: creates a lot of ugly goto statements |
| 03:19.32 | asg | dan2: yes, generating c code from the cc optimized asm probably |
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| 03:20.22 | dan2 | asg: pretty much uncc is an interpreter from asm to C |
| 03:20.44 | Bill | is there a proftpd channel in irc? or just ask question here? |
| 03:20.46 | asg | dan2: nah, uncc is where I went to university |
| 03:21.02 | asg | Bill: #proftpd |
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| 03:21.08 | sgeigerbot | Anyone know where in menuconfig to enable these options from "make config": Logical volume manager (LVM) support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LVM) [Y/m/n/?]LVM information in proc filesystem (CONFIG_LVM_PROC_FS) [Y/n/?] I thought Device Drivers | Multiple-device Support (RAID and LVM) | Multipath would help...but it doesn't seem to have... |
| 03:21.25 | Bill | asg thanks |
| 03:21.31 | asg | Bill: you're welcome |
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| 03:21.49 | troubled | sgeigerbot: you fooz |
| 03:22.06 | asg | sgeigerbot: look in the .config, find them, scroll up (you should see hints that point to the area they are in.) |
| 03:22.08 | FieldySnuts | !medal sgeigerbot |
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| 03:22.19 | Fluten | !bj Fluten |
| 03:22.20 | sgeigerbot | I even grepped .config for lvm ...but I couldn't find what I needed. That's the crappy thing about looking through the .config--IT DOESN'T LIST EVERY POSSIBLE OPTION ALL THE TIME! |
| 03:22.26 | man_in_shack | anyone using apt-proxy? |
| 03:22.37 | dan2 | asg: if it was compiled with -g, I could easily grab the code |
| 03:22.49 | asg | sgeigerbot: look at a debianized /boot/config-* (it should have most if not all and then some.) |
| 03:22.52 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: Is anyone using that software? Yes...or very likely...or otherwise you wouldn't be trying to use it. Why are you conducting a software-usage poll instead of just asking your question? Are you asking to ask? Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol. |
| 03:22.56 | asg | dan2: yeah |
| 03:23.35 | man_in_shack | sgeigerbot: quite simply cos i need some help configuring it, and someone with experience is more likely to be able to help |
| 03:23.41 | sgeigerbot | asg: Nope, I get the same thing. Good idea, though. |
| 03:23.50 | asg | sgeigerbot: grep -i lvm |
| 03:24.00 | troubled | sgeigerbot: mines right below "Block Devices" |
| 03:24.01 | idaho45 | maher: thanks, now im conected to the net :) |
| 03:24.08 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: Make your questions UDP-like (all info in one packet/line), not TCP-like...which requires a handshake like "I have a question" "What is it?" "Well you see, it's like..." That's unnecessary overhead in IRC. |
| 03:24.08 | maher | idaho45: congrats |
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| 03:24.25 | troubled | sgeigerbot: what kernel version anyways? |
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| 03:24.42 | idaho45 | maher: now there are some ncurses frontend to apt-get? |
| 03:24.50 | dan2 | asg: D is in no good GPL state atm. I think I should try ObjC first |
| 03:24.51 | asg | idaho45: aptitude |
| 03:25.03 | asg | dan2: tarzeau will love you for it |
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| 03:25.08 | maher | idaho45: dselect / aptitude |
| 03:25.12 | man_in_shack | sgeigerbot: this channel moves fast enough anyway. it shouldn't matter that much about overhead |
| 03:25.13 | dan2 | asg: objC? |
| 03:25.25 | sgeigerbot | troubled: 2.6.5 |
| 03:25.29 | asg | dan2: yes, that's what Gnustep et al are written in |
| 03:25.29 | idaho45 | thanks, i will try them |
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| 03:25.35 | troubled | sgeigerbot: ahh sorry then, not sure where it would be :( |
| 03:25.37 | dan2 | asg: yes |
| 03:25.41 | dan2 | asg: gnustep is nice |
| 03:25.48 | dan2 | asg: I like cocoa look |
| 03:26.01 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: overhead means in this context: STUPIDITY. |
| 03:26.02 | dan2 | asg: where is a good guide to learn ObjC |
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| 03:26.25 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: If you don't know how to use IRC effectively, you are the one to suffer, not me. |
| 03:26.26 | asg | dan2: probably at gnustep.org (or ask tarzeau.) I've never touched the stuff myself |
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| 03:26.29 | troubled | dan2: ObjC? why? what ya designin? |
| 03:26.38 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: In other words, you can thank me now. |
| 03:26.38 | man_in_shack | sgeigerbot: then everything i say goes into the "overhead" catagory, so it shouldn't matter |
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| 03:26.57 | sgeigerbot | ~+pig man_in_shack |
| 03:26.59 | apt | '' |
| 03:27.11 | tam9 | '' |
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| 03:27.27 | asg | sgeigerbot: recreate it in all its glory |
| 03:27.34 | troubled | asg: dont encourage him |
| 03:27.52 | asg | troubled: boooo :) |
| 03:27.57 | troubled | ask! |
| 03:28.00 | troubled | err ack! |
| 03:28.07 | asg | pthhpt! |
| 03:28.09 | troubled | ;) |
| 03:28.19 | man_in_shack | i need set up apt-proxy; i hav no clue; no apt-proxy-doc in sid |
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| 03:28.24 | troubled | simonrvn: wake up! *slap* |
| 03:28.29 | man_in_shack | sgeigerbot: efficient enough? |
| 03:28.47 | asg | troubled: too early for simon isn't it? |
| 03:28.47 | man_in_shack | oops, i had a silent e on "clue" |
| 03:29.03 | troubled | asg: dont know, we were up til like 8am :) |
| 03:29.21 | sgeigerbot | asg: It's supposed to respond like this: Get up, sussudio boy. I bet you can squeal. I bet you can squeal like a pig. |
| 03:29.23 | asg | troubled: long night then. |
| 03:29.27 | troubled | very |
| 03:29.51 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: You are getting better. |
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| 03:30.07 | asg | dpkg pig $1 is <action> Get up, $1 boy. I bet you can squeal. I bet you can squeal like a pig. |
| 03:30.07 | dpkg | Get up, $1 is <action> Get up, $1 boy. I bet you can squeal. I bet you can squeal like a pig. boy. I bet you can squeal. I bet you can squeal like a pig. |
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| 03:30.14 | nekrataal | hi... |
| 03:30.18 | asg | bah |
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| 03:30.33 | nekrataal | hey, wich is the command to update the locate registry? |
| 03:30.47 | nekrataal | because i have lost a file, and i cant find it... |
| 03:30.53 | troubled | DanBroken: DanBorked would have been funnier ;) |
| 03:30.59 | man_in_shack | sgeigerbot: hasn't helped though |
| 03:31.11 | man_in_shack | sgeigerbot: i at least expected a "rtfm" |
| 03:31.11 | maher | nekrataal: updatedb |
| 03:31.16 | asg | !pig sgeigerbot |
| 03:31.16 | nekrataal | ok |
| 03:31.16 | dpkg | Get up, sgeigerbot boy. I bet you can squeal. I bet you can squeal like a pig. |
| 03:31.16 | sgeigerbot | asg: grep -i lvm ~/linux-2.6.5/.config# Multi-device support (RAID and LVM) |
| 03:31.19 | nekrataal | thanks |
| 03:31.22 | sgeigerbot | asg: nice. |
| 03:31.48 | asg | sgeigerbot: yeah but that isn't a debian .config is it? |
| 03:32.17 | asg | sgeigerbot: just download a 2.6.6 kernel-source package and look at it's .config |
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| 03:32.46 | sri_ | hola |
| 03:32.47 | sgeigerbot | asg: well, it's the same result when I run it on /boot/config* |
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| 03:33.04 | troubled | sri_: heya |
| 03:33.08 | asg | sgeigerbot: hmm |
| 03:33.16 | sri_ | troubled: howdy |
| 03:33.30 | sri_ | so.. |
| 03:33.34 | sri_ | I have a really broken x-windows |
| 03:33.37 | sri_ | I'm using sid |
| 03:33.52 | sri_ | and I got some strange circular dependency going on with libx11-glu I believe |
| 03:33.56 | troubled | sri_: and this surpises you? :) |
| 03:33.57 | FieldySnuts | !medal sri_ |
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| 03:34.12 | troubled | eerrr surpises even |
| 03:34.14 | sri_ | sorry xlib-mesa3-glu |
| 03:34.16 | sanmarcos | anybody know where can I find good debian wallpapers?¿ |
| 03:34.19 | asg | sgeigerbot: hmmm, look at the help info for CONFIG_MD (it might be all you need.) |
| 03:34.26 | troubled | sanmarcos: google.com? |
| 03:34.28 | sri_ | troubled: well not any more :) |
| 03:34.41 | asg | sri_: checked the bts? |
| 03:34.44 | sri_ | FieldySnuts: dude..it's not like I'm following debian constantly |
| 03:34.44 | sanmarcos | troubled: specificaly.. |
| 03:34.52 | sgeigerbot | asg: would there have been a better way than "apt-get install --download-only <kernelimage>"? It's downloading other packages as well.... |
| 03:34.54 | sri_ | asg: not lately |
| 03:35.04 | sri_ | asg: for hte longest time I thought it was something I did. |
| 03:35.10 | asg | sri_: then check it you run sid and something breaks. |
| 03:35.15 | maher | sri_: you have a bug - maybe the bts is a good place to look |
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| 03:35.16 | asg | sri_: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 03:35.23 | FieldySnuts | !medal sri_ |
| 03:35.25 | sri_ | asg: thanks will do |
| 03:35.36 | sri_ | !medal FieldySnuts |
| 03:35.52 | asg | sgeigerbot: hmmm, I grepped for you. |
| 03:35.53 | sri_ | hmm..some sort of rating system I see. |
| 03:36.02 | sanmarcos | where can I find a eps of the debian logo? |
| 03:36.08 | sgeigerbot | asg: ...and what are your results? |
| 03:36.09 | asg | sri_: no, just FieldySnuts's factoid |
| 03:36.16 | sri_ | asg: oh |
| 03:36.16 | asg | sgeigerbot: same as yours |
| 03:36.21 | dan2 | asg: there must be significant advantage over C++ with ObjC or else Mac OSX would not have been written in it |
| 03:36.29 | asg | sgeigerbot: that's why I suggested CONFIG_MD might be all you need |
| 03:36.44 | FieldySnuts | it just happened to spit out moron twice in a row |
| 03:36.51 | FieldySnuts | quite random |
| 03:36.55 | asg | dan2: we are talking macs here. Apple has created some incredibly shitty stuff over the years. |
| 03:36.55 | maher | dan2: i don't follow your logic there |
| 03:36.56 | sri_ | asg: thanks for the tip |
| 03:36.58 | troubled | FieldySnuts: are you sure? :) |
| 03:37.02 | asg | sri_: you're welcome |
| 03:37.04 | FieldySnuts | yes |
| 03:37.18 | sri_ | FieldySnuts: I think it's weighted heavily against me :) |
| 03:37.53 | troubled | !ball Is it weighted heavily against sri_? |
| 03:37.58 | dpkg | ...but ball is already something else... |
| 03:38.01 | troubled | err |
| 03:38.04 | troubled | !8ball Is it weighted heavily against sri_ |
| 03:38.05 | dpkg | No. |
| 03:38.14 | asg | !8ball is troubled troubled? |
| 03:38.14 | dpkg | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
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| 03:38.17 | dan2 | asg: its their best OS yet |
| 03:38.18 | troubled | ;) |
| 03:38.25 | troubled | the 8ball doesnt lie! |
| 03:38.33 | dan2 | asg: I think its pretty good, and it doesn't have the security holes of you know who |
| 03:38.56 | asg | dan2: yes, but ... Appletalk, Applescript, Cinnamon Applegate (no that was a chick I went to highschool with.) |
| 03:39.08 | asg | troubled: never, the 8ball knows all |
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| 03:40.12 | troubled | damn, only 1 more day until grsec ceases to exist ;( *cries* |
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| 03:40.19 | asg | dan2: well, it's past my bed time. |
| 03:40.25 | troubled | I knew I should have switched to selinux :( |
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| 03:40.37 | dan2 | asg: bedtime extended |
| 03:40.41 | asg | dan2: not going to help |
| 03:41.03 | sgeigerbot | asg: you know, you might be right. The tutorial I'm looking at is using an older kernel. |
| 03:41.10 | asg | sgeigerbot: hmmmm |
| 03:41.33 | asg | dan2: I would have been snoozing on the couch with the tv on hours ago except the gipper kicked it so now there isn't shit on. |
| 03:42.10 | Hyp3rion | hi, x seems broken :-/ |
| 03:42.10 | asg | Hyp3rion: check the bts |
| 03:42.17 | maher | !fix x |
| 03:42.19 | Hyp3rion | asg - yes i know... |
| 03:42.38 | asg | Hyp3rion: and what does 'seems' mean in this context? is it taunting you with dialog boxes? |
| 03:42.46 | Hyp3rion | asg? |
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| 03:43.19 | Hyp3rion | asg - i'll check the bts, if it's not reported yet i'll report, and give the bug#... |
| 03:43.40 | asg | Hyp3rion: unless you fiddled with your config since it was working last |
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| 03:43.59 | dan2 | asg: Apple documented ObjC real well |
| 03:44.00 | idaho45 | arggg, my /etc/apt/sources.list is empty, where i can find a list of working sources? in the documentation the give examples but dunno if they work |
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| 03:44.02 | Hyp3rion | asg - :-) no its not that |
| 03:44.08 | asg | Hyp3rion: ah, okay. |
| 03:44.23 | asg | dan2: and plenty of O'Reilly books on it |
| 03:44.23 | slidesinger | ~tgz |
| 03:44.24 | apt | to unarchive: tar -zxvf blah.tar.gz, to create: tar -zcvf blah.tar.gz ... |
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| 03:44.49 | Hyp3rion | asg - okay i have no idea... can you help me? |
| 03:44.59 | asg | Hyp3rion: what error are you getting? |
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| 03:45.00 | idaho45 | i have searched the debian site but i cannot find some link to mirrors or such |
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| 03:45.05 | troubled | idaho45: apt-setup? |
| 03:45.31 | idaho45 | troubled: thanks :) |
| 03:45.34 | troubled | np |
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| 03:46.38 | blackbart | I'm trying to install Debian (woody). I've downloaded and created the rescue boot disk as per the installation manual, and at the boot prompt I hit enter. It begins detecting hardware, and then seems to lock up after `ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15`. What should I do? |
| 03:46.40 | Hyp3rion | asg - i upgraded like 10 hours ago [sid]... now i lift the computer idle for like an hour... screen went blank and then went to suspend mode as usual, but when i moved the mouse it didnt come back normally, but all messed up and i could manage to type /quit :-( and hit alt-f4 on mozilla, but i'am afraid it will happen again if i let the screen suspend, but i have no idea which package can it be :-/ |
| 03:46.57 | Hyp3rion | s/lift/left/ |
| 03:47.13 | asg | Hyp3rion: do you remember what got updated last time? |
| 03:47.23 | maher | blackbart: what hardware |
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| 03:47.35 | asg | Hyp3rion: and what do you mean by 'all messed up' |
| 03:47.39 | Hyp3rion | asg - i think only gtk libs... |
| 03:48.07 | asg | Hyp3rion: hmmm |
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| 03:48.35 | blackbart | maher: P4 2.8ghz, Asus p4p800e-deluxe motherboard (has 2 ide controllers, built-in raid controller, onboard lan, sound),512 pc3200 ddr400 memory, and a 3com 3905b NIC |
| 03:48.43 | Hyp3rion | asg - i was like every 10 pixel horiz bar duplicated and the whole screen shifted to left by ~20pixels so it came back on left :-/ |
| 03:48.46 | troubled | simonrvn: ;p |
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| 03:48.54 | maher | blackbart: did you try bf2.4 |
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| 03:49.04 | blackbart | maher: Something gives me the impression it's the onboard raid controller casuing the problem |
| 03:49.10 | blackbart | maher: what is that? |
| 03:49.11 | simonrvn | troubled: :) |
| 03:49.16 | asg | Hyp3rion: yeah, that isn't good. |
| 03:49.18 | maher | blackbart: the 2.4 kernel boot floppies |
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| 03:49.45 | asg | Hyp3rion: I'd make a backup of your XF86Config-4 file ; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (see if that helps) |
| 03:49.48 | Xira | where's the default cdrom location in knoppix? (hd install) |
| 03:49.50 | troubled | simonrvn: you got a win box/wine box running? got a chtml file you may like |
| 03:49.56 | dan2 | asg: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ObjectiveC/index.html |
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| 03:50.06 | blackbart | maher: No, I didn't. I'll try that now, thanks |
| 03:50.17 | asg | dan2: cool, I'll read that in the morning, I *have* to get some sleep right now :) |
| 03:50.20 | asg | !be bob2 |
| 03:50.20 | dpkg | asg: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:50.22 | asg | bah |
| 03:50.26 | man_in_shack | damn apt-proxy |
| 03:50.28 | asg | !be bob2 |
| 03:50.32 | maher | blackbart: you're right - its probably the raid controller... |
| 03:50.35 | Hyp3rion | asg - but i wonder which package can it be... i installed so many packages and removed some, but none in connection with X, only automatic lib upgrades... is there somewhere a track of which packages were last updated? |
| 03:50.54 | Hyp3rion | i also installed xfonts-efont-unicode :-/ |
| 03:50.59 | asg | Hyp3rion: the file times in /var/lib/dpkg/info for the install scripts might give you a clue. |
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| 03:51.03 | maher | Hyp3rion: if you used aptitude it would keep a log |
| 03:51.14 | asg | Hyp3rion: or the time on the changelog.gz or changelog.Debian.gz in /usr/share/doc/* |
| 03:51.14 | simonrvn | troubled: no |
| 03:51.16 | sgeigerbot | Xira: dude, I'm a huge knoppix supporter, but knoppix-specific questions belong somewhere else. You shouldn't push them on this channel. However, I'll give you this advice: don't assume everything in knoppix is different than Debian. The CDrom device is the same in debian. /dev/cdrom |
| 03:51.20 | Hyp3rion | maher - i used it... wow i'll look for the log! |
| 03:51.30 | troubled | simonrvn: oh well, guess your sol :( |
| 03:52.25 | blackbart | maher: The README in the bf2.4 directory isn't very helpful - what exactly am I supposed to do? There is no rescue.bin in the bf2.4 directory. |
| 03:52.47 | maher | blackbart: umm... i forget |
| 03:52.51 | troubled | simonrvn: i spent all night workin on openssl. I hurt hehe. You wouldnt believe how much of a pain it was to get a self signing CA cert generated to sign my MTA certs! |
| 03:52.55 | somiaj | balzac: what are you trying to do? |
| 03:53.00 | somiaj | blackbart: |
| 03:53.02 | somiaj | balzac: sorry |
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| 03:54.06 | blackbart | somiaj: Install Debian using the kernel-image-2.4 package, or something |
| 03:54.10 | maher | blackbart: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/rescue.bin |
| 03:54.12 | somiaj | blackbart: can you boot off a cd? |
| 03:54.14 | simonrvn | troubled: i have a script to do all the heavy lifting for me ;) |
| 03:54.28 | somiaj | blackbart: there maher found the link for ya...(: |
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| 03:54.36 | simonrvn | troubled: once you've set up the CA, making certs is easy |
| 03:54.43 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: Is that the only thing that's the same? :) |
| 03:54.57 | blackbart | maher: weird, it isn't here: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/bf2.4/ |
| 03:55.00 | blackbart | maher: thanks though :-) |
| 03:55.19 | blackbart | Oh, wait, I guess that sort of makes sense |
| 03:55.33 | somiaj | blackbart: your missing the 'images-1.44' I belive (guess) |
| 03:55.34 | troubled | simonrvn: ya AFTER ;) took me a bit to find the sign.sh too. Took a few tried to get the cert workin in XP though. kept getting the CN or self sign wrong so exim wouldnt start. needless to say there was a look of command repeating hehe |
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| 03:55.44 | dan2 | asg: you can get some interesting results with its id feature |
| 03:55.56 | troubled | simonrvn: well, on the upside, email seems to route fine (just sent test) |
| 03:55.57 | dan2 | asg: it identifies if its a float int char etc at run time |
| 03:55.59 | blackbart | somiaj: yeah, I didn't realize bf2.4 would be in both locations |
| 03:56.09 | simonrvn | troubled: yeh the TLS worked ok to you |
| 03:56.24 | troubled | simonrvn: i still dont know why that one messg wouldnt send though |
| 03:56.40 | troubled | simonrvn: guess your SA was catching it and making me hold it? |
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| 03:57.04 | somiaj | balzac: bf2.4 just means a flavor of the 2.4.18 kernel, it has been put on lots of different discs...(: |
| 03:58.07 | simonrvn | troubled: that one email from hotmail? yes it's spam. just delete the fucking thing |
| 03:58.20 | troubled | simonrvn: ya, i did. its been hammerin ya all day heh |
| 03:58.27 | simonrvn | yeh :( |
| 03:58.45 | simonrvn | i get enough spam without having to re-process any extra ;) |
| 03:58.53 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: the glass is half full, not half empty |
| 03:59.10 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: To me, the Knoppix glass only has a few drops in it. |
| 03:59.26 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: It completely unimpresses me. |
| 04:00.01 | Hyp3rion | asg - which can it be? gucharmap.list libgtk2.0-0.list libgucharmap3.list libpango1.0-0.list libxslt1.1.list xfonts-efont-unicode.list ? i think theese can be related to X :-/ |
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| 04:01.18 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: <shrug> It's of no use to me. |
| 04:01.28 | troubled | simonrvn: -> /msg |
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| 04:01.50 | blackbart | Using the 2.4 kernel boot floppy, I'm getting a lot of hde: lost interrupt :-( |
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| 04:02.15 | blackbart | Does it not support SATA hard disks? |
| 04:02.19 | maher | blackbart: no |
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| 04:02.25 | Hyp3rion | asg - can efont cause this? even tho everything was installed without errors i still dont have unicode fonts :-/ or do i need to do some additional configuration after installing xfonts? |
| 04:02.34 | Hyp3rion | or anyone? |
| 04:02.42 | Unfrgiven | hey all ive got a problem with gnome 2.6. my show-desktop-button has a cross (like a broken image). it's only broken with my user, root's button is fine. any ideas how i can fix it? |
| 04:03.03 | maher | blackbart: either google for an sata woody install disc or use the beta sarge installer |
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| 04:05.05 | blackbart | maher: alright, thanks |
| 04:06.03 | tam9 | does anyone know how i can get my terminal to show colors? it shows black and white and nothing else. |
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| 04:06.36 | Unfrgiven | tam9: ls --color |
| 04:06.44 | Supaplex | you do have a color monitor right? |
| 04:06.59 | tam9 | lol |
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| 04:07.23 | tam9 | Unfrgiven: that works! but how could i make it work permanently? |
| 04:07.33 | xam | Supaplex perhaps he has a colour monitor, but does he has a colour-capable graphics card? |
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| 04:07.35 | peterS | Supaplex: maybe it's like those old Apple II monitors, where there's a switch where you can change from mono to color |
| 04:07.50 | peterS | xam: oh, point. might be an original MDA or Hercules |
| 04:08.15 | Unfrgiven | tam9: you need to make an alias in bashrc like ls="ls --color" |
| 04:08.33 | tam9 | Unfrgiven: thanks man |
| 04:08.48 | Supaplex | alias ls="ls --color=auto" |
| 04:09.16 | Unfrgiven | tam9: np :) btw ur initial description was a bit vague. i guessed that all you wanted were colors. also check out dircolors (it will colour different types of files for you) |
| 04:09.58 | Unfrgiven | Supaplex: thanx, i missed the =auto and more importantly, the "alias" keyword! :) |
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| 04:10.09 | Supaplex | xam: is it time to fix it? </pun> |
| 04:10.22 | Supaplex | Unfrgiven: no sweat |
| 04:10.27 | xam | Supaplex: dunno ... have to ask the computer ;-P |
| 04:11.19 | tam9 | still not working :( |
| 04:11.26 | tam9 | i logged out and back in :-/ |
| 04:11.54 | Supaplex | .bash_profile ? |
| 04:12.04 | tam9 | Supaplex: i done it with bashrc |
| 04:12.07 | tam9 | i will try profile now |
| 04:12.17 | Supaplex | hit and miss. never figured out why there are two |
| 04:12.24 | soberagin | tam9, do 'bash' at prompt |
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| 04:12.44 | tam9 | soberagin: hehe not it works |
| 04:13.06 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: Re: knoppix of no use to you> Don't you ever try to help strengthen the Linux community by recruiting new members? |
| 04:13.18 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: fsck no. I grew up, instead. |
| 04:13.19 | maher | sgeigerbot: leave mwilson alone |
| 04:13.46 | Unfrgiven | Supaplex: ive always wondered which file to edit if i want to setup PS1 or aliases, etc... the login bash prompt seems different to an "su" bash.... why is that? |
| 04:13.47 | mwilson | maher: Not to worry, I'm not getting into this argument. |
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| 04:14.00 | kjoonlee | hi :) |
| 04:14.07 | kjoonlee | Is there a way to set the x-cursor-theme on a user-basis? |
| 04:14.22 | kjoonlee | Separately for each user, I mean. |
| 04:14.27 | sgeigerbot | maher: I'm trying to help him *THINK*. |
| 04:14.32 | Supaplex | Unfrgiven: you're asking the blind on that one. |
| 04:14.35 | maher | sgeigerbot: just don't |
| 04:14.48 | soberagin | tam9, same here, i always thought bash was supposed to run out of the box, but it doesn't, at least not very well |
| 04:14.59 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: Think about what? |
| 04:15.37 | Guerin | kjoonlee: it's defaultly set per user - update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
| 04:15.39 | mwilson | kjoonlee: Cursors obey the XDG specification, set the resource appropriately, you're done. |
| 04:15.57 | mwilson | Guerin: Uh, what does the alternative have to do with per-user settings, other than nothing? |
| 04:16.03 | maher | can i make the cursor into a little dinosaur? |
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| 04:16.28 | Guerin | mwilson: that's how I set my cursor setting... |
| 04:16.38 | kjoonlee | mwilson: Thanks, I'll google for XDG :) |
| 04:16.51 | Unfrgiven | Supaplex: :) |
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| 04:17.04 | xam | maher you can. but it will be destroyed when the big meteor hits your desktop |
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| 04:17.06 | mwilson | Guerin: Yes, and are there any other users on the box that use a different cursor setting? Perhaps you noticed that you had to be root in order to actually change the alternative? |
| 04:17.17 | HeatHawk | lol @ topic |
| 04:17.22 | HeatHawk | | Debian is not Knoppix. |
| 04:17.33 | Guerin | mwilson: hrm, you're right |
| 04:17.35 | mwilson | Guerin: Again, the correct answer is that cursor themes obey XDG, set the XCursor.theme resource, and you're done. |
| 04:17.47 | xam | HeatHawk ? what's so funny about that? |
| 04:17.48 | Guerin | mwilson: thanks :) |
| 04:18.14 | HeatHawk | xam, its the fact that someone would make the assumption the 2 projects are one in the same |
| 04:18.23 | mwilson | I'd like to know what idiot decided that the XF430 packages should have an alternative for the theme, anyway. |
| 04:18.32 | idaho45 | when i use apt-get -s install fluxbox it give 3 groups of packages: extra, suggested and recommended, but only install the extra packages, how can i force it to install all the 3 goups of packages? |
| 04:18.40 | mwilson | That's about the silliest use of the alternatives system... |
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| 04:19.08 | maher | idaho45: have you tried aptitude? |
| 04:19.24 | peterS | HeatHawk: guess you haven't been around long. knoppix users come in here with that assumption all the time. |
| 04:19.27 | mwilson | There are no decent themes other than the default, anyway. |
| 04:19.29 | idaho45 | the man page dont say anything about that |
| 04:19.35 | Guerin | mwilson: agreed |
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| 04:20.01 | Guerin | the other themes are just too small to be useful |
| 04:20.02 | idaho45 | maher: i have see it, but i think the command line is more simple |
| 04:20.17 | mwilson | I use whiteglass only because the cursors are bigger. The transparency makes me crazy... sooner or later I'll do away with it. |
| 04:20.23 | sgeigerbot | HeatHawk: stop trolling |
| 04:20.31 | sri_ | aptitude is your friend :) |
| 04:20.35 | maher | idaho45: but aptitiude has more features - as you've just discovered |
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| 04:21.05 | sri_ | although sometimes you get lost in aptitude, but I like using the commandline switches |
| 04:21.05 | HeatHawk | sgeigerbot, im not trolling, i am a debian user, i just havent been in the channel in about 6 months |
| 04:21.06 | idaho45 | maher: and that dselect is horrible |
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| 04:21.13 | sri_ | the help on the dpkg and stuff help out a lot. |
| 04:21.21 | HeatHawk | peterS, not long, but rather, in a long time |
| 04:21.29 | sri_ | idaho45: you should learn the ocmmand line switches..it works for me better. |
| 04:21.34 | maher | idaho45: i use dselect - but people seem to prefer aptitude - also aptitude keeps a log |
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| 04:21.59 | mwilson | I'll prefer aptitude when it's not b0rken by design. |
| 04:22.04 | mwilson | Not before. |
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| 04:22.19 | xam | I prefer dpkg and resolve all dependencies myself :-P |
| 04:22.19 | Guerin | mwilson: what's b0rken about it? |
| 04:22.26 | idaho45 | sri_: yep, i think is better to learn the basics first and later use other tools |
| 04:22.49 | mwilson | Guerin: It ignores the status file. It's behavior is inconsistent between its command-line mode and the menu interface. |
| 04:23.06 | Guerin | mwilson: I see. |
| 04:23.19 | maher | idaho45: sure - but apt-get isn't designed to deal with recommends in a nice manner, and afaik it won't |
| 04:23.40 | Nurbs | maher: what would a nice manner be? |
| 04:23.42 | mwilson | IMHO apt-get shouldn't deal with recommends any more than it already does. |
| 04:23.56 | dds | Has anyone gotten bootsplash to work with kernel 2.4.20? |
| 04:24.00 | Nurbs | maher: it would be awful if I had all recommends installed :) |
| 04:24.05 | Guerin | The only benefit I can see from using aptitude is removing unused deps when I remove the packages which brought them in |
| 04:24.11 | idaho45 | maher: so apt-get dont have a option to install all the groups of packages? |
| 04:24.17 | maher | Nurbs: allow you to select interactively which ones you want |
| 04:24.31 | maher | Nurbs: recommends tend to confict anyway |
| 04:24.35 | Nurbs | maher: ok. as long as that can be turned off or is not the default, that's fine with me :) |
| 04:24.49 | mickeyks | i'm having trouble making the htmldocs that come with the kernel |
| 04:24.52 | maher | idaho45: no - and they may confict anyway |
| 04:24.56 | mwilson | Guerin: It makes me crazy when people push aptitude as a drop-in replacement for apt-get. |
| 04:25.08 | mickeyks | supposedly you just have to type "make htmldocs" but i must be doing something wrong |
| 04:25.23 | mickeyks | wrong directory maybe, or some other step i'm not taking...? |
| 04:25.25 | maher | mwilson: its not - its a replacement for dselect |
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| 04:25.43 | idaho45 | maher: ok i will install only the extra and see ... |
| 04:25.50 | mwilson | maher: Don't tell me, tell the ones that push it. |
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| 04:26.08 | Guerin | mwilson: well, for most people it's probably fine. But I don't see what's wrong with just plain apt-get, myself... |
| 04:26.34 | Nurbs | Guerin: just plain apt-get won't uninstall unwanted packages if I uninstall others :) |
| 04:26.44 | maher | Guerin: there is nothing wrong with apt-get - but sometimes its easier to use something else for certain tasks |
| 04:26.45 | Hyp3rion | >:-( how long does it take for a bug report to get into the bts? i didnt supply very useful Package: and Version: headers, because i couldnt find out... |
| 04:26.56 | dds | Is it possible to get 'initrd' build-in to 'vmImage' using make-kpkg? |
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| 04:27.03 | Guerin | Nurbs: nope, but deborphan can do that. Though it is trickier. |
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| 04:27.14 | Nurbs | Guerin: I prefer debfoster |
| 04:27.15 | mwilson | Guerin: As long as aptitude ignores the status file, it's useless to me. |
| 04:27.38 | mwilson | Hyp3rion: Find out what? Why didn't you use reportbug? |
| 04:27.39 | Nurbs | Guerin: but that's wrong about "just apt-get" :) |
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| 04:28.52 | Hyp3rion | mwilson - :-? i always send email with telnet |
| 04:29.25 | Hyp3rion | mwilson - meh the thing i told asg, i couldnt find out which package caused it... |
| 04:29.53 | mwilson | Hyp3rion: Then what did you file a bug against? |
| 04:30.11 | Hyp3rion | mwilson - because it's related to X, xserver-xfree86 :-/ |
| 04:30.24 | Hyp3rion | mwilson - but maybe it's caused by libpango or efont |
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| 04:31.37 | sanmarcos | do I have to be using sarge to use pop contest? |
| 04:32.01 | pwn4ge | are the x.org packages in the apt repository yet? |
| 04:32.01 | somiaj | what is the difference between 'debootstrap' and 'cdebootstrap', is one a newer version, or are there functional differences? |
| 04:32.10 | mwilson | pwn4ge: No. |
| 04:32.25 | sanmarcos | pwn4ge: there was a thread on the debian mlist about that |
| 04:32.26 | pwn4ge | mwilson: do you know when they will be? |
| 04:32.27 | mwilson | pwn4ge: There are no plans for there to be. |
| 04:32.42 | dds | Is it possible to get 'initrd' build-in to 'vmImage' using make-kpkg? |
| 04:32.48 | pwn4ge | mwilson: i thought they were abandoning xfree86? |
| 04:32.52 | maher | sanmarcos: no - but you need to be able to send email from your machine |
| 04:33.03 | sanmarcos | maher: i have an mta, no problem |
| 04:33.03 | somiaj | dds: read the man page, (--initrd) option |
| 04:33.05 | maher | somiaj: one is written in c |
| 04:33.11 | mwilson | pwn4ge: If you say so. |
| 04:33.50 | mwilson | pwn4ge: What Debian will do in relation to X has not been decided. |
| 04:34.06 | Tachoh | nor will it be for another 12 or 13 years |
| 04:34.07 | maher | pwn4ge: read the debian x mailing list - they will probably eventually switch to the modular tree |
| 04:35.11 | Nurbs | maher: modular tree? |
| 04:35.13 | somiaj | maher: have any opinion on which one would be prefereable...I guess I can test them both out...(: (thinking of making a livecd with debootstrap for installing debian from it) |
| 04:35.39 | mwilson | pwn4ge: Why is it so important to you to have X.org packages? |
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| 04:36.17 | Hyp3rion | mwilson - with $ ls -la /var/lib/dpkg/info/ | egrep 'Jun([ ]|[\t])*6' i get all packages updated/installed in jun 6 right? |
| 04:36.28 | maher | Nurbs: fdo have two x trees - the monolothic tree forked from xfree86 and a ne wone which is meant to be more modular |
| 04:36.28 | pwn4ge | mwilson: it isnt, i was just curious |
| 04:36.39 | mindz | hmmm i didn't know about x.org - but in one of the german mag "linux magazin" was a short article about it ... who cares? |
| 04:37.03 | Tachoh | whatever works |
| 04:37.17 | maher | somiaj: do you want compiled c or a bash script? |
| 04:37.25 | mwilson | Hyp3rion: All packages containing files that were created on June 6th. |
| 04:37.33 | Nurbs | maher: I see, thanks |
| 04:37.44 | sanmarcos | how can I help debian? |
| 04:38.02 | cafuego | sanmarcos: Kill any knopix or gentoo user you meet. |
| 04:38.11 | Hyp3rion | mwilson - created by dpkg=installed/upgraded, or not? |
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| 04:38.14 | sanmarcos | HAHHA |
| 04:38.17 | maher | sanmarcos: send money to spi, send bug fixes and docs to the maintainers |
| 04:38.17 | Nurbs | hehe |
| 04:38.18 | sanmarcos | cafuego: lol |
| 04:38.21 | mindz | *lol* |
| 04:38.33 | mwilson | Hyp3rion: I didn't say "created by dpkg". |
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| 04:38.40 | maher | sanmarcos: donate machines or bandwidth... |
| 04:38.50 | mwilson | sanmarcos: He's not kidding. |
| 04:38.54 | sanmarcos | lol |
| 04:38.56 | Tachoh | sanmarcos, give me a back massage |
| 04:39.07 | Hyp3rion | mwilson - but if it's modified by something else, it doesnt get recorded into /var/lib/dpkg/info/ does it? |
| 04:39.20 | cafuego | !cafuego disclaimer |
| 04:39.20 | dpkg | from memory, cafuego disclaimer is Don't believe what cafuego tells you, unless you're immortal, cafuego or both! |
| 04:39.25 | somiaj | maher: Hmm, I guess it doesn't really matter since I only need libc6, wget and binutils to get the script to work (according to the dependencies), I'll just test them both out.....thanks |
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| 04:39.49 | mwilson | Hyp3rion: /var/lib/dpkg/info is where maintainer scripts go. There's nothing that gets recorded "into" that directory. |
| 04:40.08 | Hyp3rion | mwilson - :-( |
| 04:41.08 | ironwolf | greetings all, where can I find what packages were installed (a list if possible) on a debian system. Mine crashed, but I have most of the drive recovered. I did a fresh install, but now I'm looking to re-populate. |
| 04:41.16 | Nurbs | sanmarcos: yeah, there are too many 8) |
| 04:41.23 | sanmarcos | haha |
| 04:41.28 | xenohugs | ironwolf: dpkg -l | grep ^i |
| 04:41.36 | cafuego | echo you suck | mail bugs@debian.org |
| 04:41.44 | mwilson | sanmarcos: Really. And why don't you like it? Because it works? |
| 04:41.54 | sanmarcos | mwilson: because it isnt as pretty as gnome's |
| 04:41.56 | Tachoh | !dbugs #41459 |
| 04:41.59 | dpkg | DONE:#41459:N[xmms] xmms: xmms eats my memory and finds it tasty (help) |
| 04:41.59 | maher | ironwolf: look in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 04:42.00 | ironwolf | xenohugs: system won't boot, but I have access to the hdd via a mount |
| 04:42.01 | Nurbs | sanmarcos: lol |
| 04:42.07 | mwilson | sanmarcos: Why does it need to be "pretty"? |
| 04:42.14 | sanmarcos | mwilson: pretty meaning organized |
| 04:42.20 | cafuego | sanmarcos: well, actually, to help debian, maybe you can write a gui frontend for 'reportbug' :-) |
| 04:42.21 | sanmarcos | mwilson: and also pretty meaning, pretty |
| 04:42.25 | Guerin | sanmarcos: pretty doesn't mean organised |
| 04:42.27 | Hyp3rion | !dbugs 252947 |
| 04:42.28 | mwilson | How is the Debian BTS not organized? |
| 04:42.30 | dpkg | #252947:N[xserver-xfree86] X screen not restored correctly after monitor unsuspend |
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| 04:42.37 | sanmarcos | cafuego: its python already, I can do that easily in pygtk, i love pygtk :) |
| 04:42.43 | Hyp3rion | =] |
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| 04:42.47 | cafuego | sanmarcos: Well, there you go. |
| 04:42.59 | xenohugs | ironwolf: Oh, right. /var/lib/dpkg/status might help. |
| 04:42.59 | Infohawk | How do you compile one module in debian? |
| 04:43.09 | sanmarcos | cafuego: hmm thats nice :) |
| 04:43.17 | ironwolf | mahr, thanks... now any easy way to parse this? |
| 04:43.21 | anonobomber | Infohawk, modules dont work in debian |
| 04:43.35 | cafuego | sanmarcos: When done, subscribe to debian-mentors and get a sponsor to add the package into Sid. |
| 04:43.37 | rox | a joke for you guys |
| 04:43.43 | sanmarcos | cafuego: of course making it reportbug-gtk or something modular |
| 04:43.55 | mwilson | Why does there need to be a GUI reportbug? |
| 04:43.59 | rox | how do you increase the intelligence ratio of a windows user? |
| 04:44.00 | sanmarcos | mwilson: so its pretty |
| 04:44.08 | rox | you chop his head off |
| 04:44.09 | rox | :P |
| 04:44.11 | Guerin | rox: what's an intelligence ratio? |
| 04:44.13 | cafuego | mwilson: Why does there NOT have to be one? |
| 04:44.17 | LSorensen | mwilson: so that you can't file a bug until you make X work again :) |
| 04:44.26 | sanmarcos | hahah |
| 04:44.32 | cafuego | Guerin: an iq for someone who can't spell quotient. |
| 04:44.40 | sgeigerbot | rox: Intelligence quotient? |
| 04:44.44 | xenohugs | ironwolf: grep -B1 -E "^Status: .+ installed" /var/lib/dpkg/status | grep ^Package | cut -d" " -f2 | more |
| 04:44.47 | Guerin | cafuego: apparently so |
| 04:44.49 | mwilson | cafuego: I never said that. But people treat it like a given that there *should* be. |
| 04:44.50 | xenohugs | Nice easy list. |
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| 04:45.11 | rox | Guerin: mental age / real age |
| 04:45.12 | rox | Guerin: intelligence quotient |
| 04:45.13 | xenohugs | There's probably a more straightforward way though. |
| 04:45.14 | rox | Guerin: means the same as intelligence ratio |
| 04:45.15 | mwilson | cafuego: Then you get the cluebie who only knows how to use the GUI tool, when X is what's not working. |
| 04:45.22 | cafuego | mwilson: Well, in the end it's majority rules, so maybe there should. |
| 04:45.23 | rox | sgeigerbot: IQ |
| 04:45.47 | rox | i+m glad you liked the joke |
| 04:45.47 | rox | :P |
| 04:45.59 | cafuego | mwilson: fallback to console when there's no $DISPLAY, of course. |
| 04:46.25 | Nurbs | I think it should be integrated into Gnome's application crash handler. |
| 04:46.29 | Nurbs | :> |
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| 04:46.51 | cafuego | KDE doesn't crash, so it won't need one. |
| 04:47.00 | Nurbs | heh |
| 04:47.10 | cafuego | Nurbs: that wasn't a meant to be funny |
| 04:47.10 | mwilson | Nurbs: I'm sure something like that will be at some point... since Gnome has already decided they know far better than the owner of the computer how it should be used. |
| 04:47.15 | cafuego | sa //g |
| 04:47.16 | dds | Is it possible to get 'initrd' build-in to 'vmImage' using make-kpkg? I even checked out the man page, still no idea how to do so. |
| 04:47.44 | kjoonlee | Where should I put my X environment variables? |
| 04:47.54 | cafuego | dds: make-kpkg --initrd kernel-image |
| 04:47.55 | mwilson | No, KDE doesn't crash... it just doesn't do anything useful while it's not crashing. |
| 04:47.57 | peterS | dds: on some architectures this can be done, on others it cannot |
| 04:48.23 | cafuego | mwilson: Hmm, it makes me be able to use my pc for profit |
| 04:48.25 | Nurbs | mwilson: indeed. unluckily it's not too good at doing what it wants to do |
| 04:48.44 | cafuego | mwilson: (imo) better then other desktop environments |
| 04:48.59 | LSorensen | dds: built in how? |
| 04:49.01 | sanmarcos | cafuego: /usr/share/reportbug/reportbug_ui_gnome.py |
| 04:49.04 | maher | ironwolf: umm - try sed |
| 04:49.07 | dds | peterS: I notice that 2.6.6 is possible and I just couldn't get 2.4.20 to work =( |
| 04:49.26 | peterS | dds: in 2.6.6 I believe what you're thinking of is the initramfs |
| 04:49.30 | cafuego | sanmarcos: she wonna work, capt'n! |
| 04:49.32 | ironwolf | many thanks mahr and xenohug |
| 04:49.33 | peterS | dds: this is a feature new to 2.6 kernele |
| 04:49.36 | mwilson | All KDE does is get in my way. Once you've turned off all the idiotic launchers, the panels, and etc, you're left with asking yourself why you're using it in the first place. |
| 04:49.37 | peterS | kernels, even |
| 04:49.37 | sanmarcos | haa |
| 04:49.37 | cafuego | s/wonne/willnae/ |
| 04:49.48 | sanmarcos | cafuego: no, somebody done it already |
| 04:50.06 | cafuego | sanmarcos: Surely it can be improved, or maybe used for non-gnome |
| 04:50.11 | dds | peterS: what about 2.4.18-bf2.4? |
| 04:50.12 | cafuego | maybe its UI sucks |
| 04:50.22 | LSorensen | dds: that's an installer kernel, not meant for running the system |
| 04:50.26 | peterS | dds: what does "new to kernel 2.6" mean to you? |
| 04:50.46 | peterS | dds: if you're wondering why 2.4.18-bf2.4 doesn't need an initrd, it's because of the options that were compiled into it |
| 04:51.02 | dds | what is that option? |
| 04:51.06 | sanmarcos | cafuego: what does debian need more desperately? besides, money, pc's, and killing of gentoo and knoppix users |
| 04:51.11 | dds | hints please |
| 04:51.21 | sanmarcos | bf isnt a real kernel |
| 04:51.27 | LSorensen | dds: using an initrd makes the kernel more flexible and able to be used on a larger variety of hardware without being bloated by stuff that you don't need on a given machine. |
| 04:51.40 | Nurbs | sanmarcos: you could fix bugs, especially release-critical ones, that'd be awesome :) |
| 04:51.49 | mwilson | Just the Knoppix users. The Gentoo users will eventually kill themselves off. |
| 04:51.56 | sanmarcos | lol |
| 04:52.28 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: :-) |
| 04:52.50 | dds | oh! I am trying to get bootsplash to work on kernel 2.4.20. But first, I need to build initrd into vmImage to use the initrd=/boot.splash to work. |
| 04:53.04 | dds | any hints on getting bootsplash to work on 2.4.20? |
| 04:53.12 | sanmarcos | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 04:53.19 | sanmarcos | dds: there was a tutorial around somewhere |
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| 04:53.49 | sanmarcos | dds: http://bulma.net/impresion.phtml?nIdNoticia=1812 there, I used that, but it doesnt work anymore with 2.6, or I havent looked at new bs builds.. |
| 04:54.00 | LSorensen | dds: step 1: get a debian kernel-source package (apt-cache search kernel-source), then use an existing config from a kernel-image- package and use as .config, then make a new kernel from that. |
| 04:54.18 | dds | LSorensen: I did |
| 04:54.22 | LSorensen | dds: although given how infrequently linux requires rebooting, I have no idea why people care how the booting looks |
| 04:54.30 | jello | alright, how do i get my system to automagically mount the partitions on my usb hard-drive when i plug it in? |
| 04:54.37 | mwilson | LSorensen: Because it's 'leet, of course. |
| 04:54.39 | ight808_ | Q> how do I edit a file, specifically /etc/resolv.conf... I need to change my dns |
| 04:54.42 | LSorensen | dds: well debian kernel source at the moment is 2.4.18 on woody, and 2.4.26 on sarge |
| 04:54.44 | sanmarcos | dds: the kernel's boot logo and using vga= is pretty enough |
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| 04:54.56 | LSorensen | jello: write some scripts for hotplug |
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| 04:55.22 | jello | LSorensen: it loads the relevant module ok |
| 04:55.26 | sanmarcos | jello: what LSorensen said, look on google, read the hotplug docs, I did it with a digital camera |
| 04:55.26 | Nurbs | sanmarcos: one can turn off that log nowadays, heh. :) |
| 04:55.36 | Nurbs | sanmarcos: logo even |
| 04:55.36 | sanmarcos | Nurbs: thats evil |
| 04:55.40 | sanmarcos | ahh |
| 04:55.42 | LSorensen | jello: yes but you can have hotplug run mount/umount scripts when devices are detected |
| 04:55.44 | sanmarcos | log.. :P |
| 04:55.51 | Nurbs | sanmarcos: heh |
| 04:56.16 | jello | any pointers to docs on how to do this before i hit google? |
| 04:56.18 | sanmarcos | Nurbs: bootsplash running on verbose => http://www.bootsplash.org/verbose-mode.jpg |
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| 04:56.33 | mickeyks | hrm |
| 04:56.43 | LSorensen | jello: I would hit google. lots of hotplug scripts our there. or read the hotplug docs |
| 04:56.52 | Nurbs | sanmarcos: graphics just look unprofessional :> I hate that I can't turn the logo in my BIOS off after the last upgrade... :) |
| 04:56.53 | mickeyks | twice now, firefox has vanished suddenly from the desktop |
| 04:57.24 | LSorensen | Nurbs: on my asus board I can even replace that logo with whatever I want |
| 04:57.38 | sanmarcos | Nurbs: I heard intel was rewriting BIOS.. it was getting old anyways |
| 04:57.47 | Nurbs | LSorensen: I guess I can do that, too. But I can't seem to turn it off anymore... |
| 04:57.47 | sanmarcos | LSorensen: Same here, but I use the default one |
| 04:57.51 | mwilson | sanmarcos: Why would anyone want that? |
| 04:57.53 | Nurbs | LSorensen: is there a linux tool for that? |
| 04:58.02 | sanmarcos | mwilson: bootsplash? |
| 04:58.17 | LSorensen | Nurbs: ehm, not for there bios no. that's all vendor specific. |
| 04:58.19 | Infohawk | Anyone see what's wrong with using this command to compile a module? gcc -D_KERNEL_-DMODULE -I/usr/src/linux/include/ nls_iso8859-1.c |
| 04:58.22 | sanmarcos | mwilson: that logo stays on.. it doesnt go away when init is done |
| 04:58.24 | LSorensen | sanmarcos: I just turn it off |
| 04:58.37 | mwilson | sanmarcos: So? |
| 04:58.42 | sanmarcos | mwilson: its annoying |
| 04:58.56 | LSorensen | Infohawk: should you have a space before -D? |
| 04:58.57 | mwilson | sanmarcos: I agree. So, why would you want it? |
| 04:59.02 | ight808_ | Q> how do I edit a file, specifically /etc/resolv.conf |
| 04:59.03 | dds | what is the differences between patching with -p0 and -p1 ? |
| 04:59.11 | sri_ | thanks folks..while the faq didn't help me, I got what i wanted to do, revert all my x11 packages so I can re-install. |
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| 04:59.15 | sri_ | ciao |
| 04:59.16 | sanmarcos | mwilson: I dont know, to make the init look pretty ? :) |
| 04:59.16 | LSorensen | ight808_: point a text editor at it. ae, nano, vi, emacs, etc |
| 04:59.17 | peterS | dds: where patch finds the files to patch |
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| 04:59.36 | ight808_ | vary cool thank you |
| 04:59.38 | LSorensen | dds: p0 wants to match complete path of files in patch, p1 strips the leading dir of all paths |
| 04:59.41 | dds | peterS: example please |
| 04:59.50 | Infohawk | LSorensen, hmmm. I still get errors. |
| 04:59.59 | mwilson | sanmarcos: Yes, after all, I spend *so* much time rebooting my machine over and over just so that I can see it. |
| 05:00.10 | spock_ | i just installed the alsa packages, my question is what do i do next to get my laptop isa soundcard working? (Debian Testing, kernel 2.6.3-386) |
| 05:00.11 | LSorensen | Infohawk: well it just looked wrong. I don't go messing with individual kernel files |
| 05:00.20 | peterS | dds: if the patch file refers to for example "foo/bar/baz.c", and you use patch -p0, it will look in your current directory for foo/bar/baz.c |
| 05:00.28 | LSorensen | spock_: alsa-utils and alsa-base and discover and hotplug installed? |
| 05:00.30 | peterS | dds: if you use patch -p1, it will look in your current directory for bar/baz.c |
| 05:00.44 | maher | ironwolf: still around? |
| 05:00.46 | dds | i see, thx a jiff |
| 05:00.48 | spock_ | LSorensen: discover and hotplug arent installed that im aware of |
| 05:00.49 | ironwolf | yes mahr |
| 05:00.54 | LSorensen | spock_: discover/hotplug may not find the isa chip, so you might have to help in /etc/modules manually |
| 05:01.00 | sanmarcos | mwilson: oh yes.. :), I dont reboot much also.. |
| 05:01.10 | maher | ironwolf: grep Package\\\|Status /var/lib/dpkg/status <-- half way there |
| 05:01.14 | LSorensen | spock_: discover/hotplug are installed by default on sarge/sid (but not if you upgrade from woody of course) |
| 05:01.20 | spock_ | LSorensen: do you know of a debian howto to assist me in this? :) |
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| 05:01.30 | spock_ | i did a nice fresh install from the beta4 installer |
| 05:01.36 | LSorensen | spock_: well hmm. Odd. |
| 05:01.36 | ironwolf | mahr, installing now |
| 05:01.36 | mwilson | Yeah, you have to make sure you remove discover if you use the beta installer. |
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| 05:01.44 | sanmarcos | mwilson: I guess if linux becomes really desk popular someday, most people would want something pretty, I dunno, look at mac os x, they made it simple |
| 05:01.46 | LSorensen | spock_: beta2 sure installed those |
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| 05:02.12 | LSorensen | sanmarcos: and yet so hard to do anything |
| 05:02.14 | maher | ironwolf: replace the filename with the old status file |
| 05:02.26 | ironwolf | yeah, I knew that. ;) |
| 05:02.30 | cafuego | sanmarcos: 9wm is simple and has been available for ages |
| 05:02.35 | ironwolf | what I didn't know about what grep -B1 |
| 05:02.40 | LSorensen | spock_: hotplug is also nice to have |
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| 05:02.41 | sanmarcos | well dunno, everybody has their own preferences.. |
| 05:02.56 | dds | peterS: so if the patch uses a fill path like /blah/blah/blah/prog.c is it possible for me to use patch -p1? |
| 05:03.11 | spock_ | LSorensen: well, i just updated/installed discover2... now what? lol |
| 05:03.13 | dds | g/fill/full/s |
| 05:03.16 | LSorensen | dds: yes if you are in the dir that contains blah/blah/prog.c |
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| 05:03.26 | peterS | dds: yes. I don't remember if in that situation it strips it down to blah/blah/prog.c or just down to blah/blah/blah/prog.c |
| 05:03.33 | dds | k |
| 05:03.35 | LSorensen | spock_: /etc/init.d/discover restart |
| 05:03.42 | spock_ | ah :) |
| 05:03.48 | ironwolf | mahr: what I didn't know was grep -B1 |
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| 05:03.52 | mwilson | Does beta4 of the installer allow you to disable the hardware auto-detect, or is that still not an option? |
| 05:03.53 | LSorensen | spock_: and hotplug too for good measure |
| 05:04.06 | LSorensen | mwilson: I think if you boot with the 'expert' option it allows it |
| 05:04.10 | peterS | dds: my rule of thumb is, just don't create patch files with absolute filenames in the first place (: |
| 05:04.25 | mephisto | I want to add a new hdd to my box, its installed physically and detected. i've created a partition. How do i format it? |
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| 05:04.34 | LSorensen | mephisto: mkfs |
| 05:04.36 | spock_ | LSorensen: i just restarted both services :) |
| 05:04.36 | dds | peterS: good idea |
| 05:04.42 | LSorensen | spock_: did they detect anything? |
| 05:04.48 | LSorensen | spock_: which chip is this sound thing? |
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| 05:05.33 | mwilson | LSorensen: Beta3 couldn't even handle a normal Intel PIIX4 without screwing up. |
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| 05:05.36 | mephisto | LSorensen: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/hdb is what i tried. it returns an error though |
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| 05:05.49 | mephisto | hdb1 sorry |
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| 05:05.50 | LSorensen | mephisto: yeah try doing it to a partition, not the entire disk |
| 05:05.53 | sjj | is mono broken for amnyone else? |
| 05:05.59 | LSorensen | mephisto: what error? |
| 05:06.03 | spock_ | LSorensen: it found some USB stuff that was already loaded, its an ESS 1869 |
| 05:06.12 | sjj | i.e. apt-get won't allow it to be installed |
| 05:06.13 | LSorensen | spock_: ok, hmm |
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| 05:06.17 | mephisto | /dev/hdb1: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superblock |
| 05:06.25 | florist | mephisto: mke2fs? |
| 05:06.34 | mwilson | sjj: Correct. Welcome to unstable. |
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| 05:06.59 | sjj | mwilson: can I tell it to use an older version or something? |
| 05:07.07 | mephisto | mke2fs: bad blocks count - /dev/hdb1 |
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| 05:07.26 | LSorensen | spock_: try this: modprobe snd-es18xx |
| 05:07.28 | Infohawk | Is there any good reason to compile my own kernel? |
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| 05:07.46 | LSorensen | Infohawk: only if you need a feature that's not enabled in the standard kernel builds |
| 05:07.46 | ironwolf | Infohawk: It's a hell of a learning experience |
| 05:07.55 | spock_ | LSorensen: "... No such device" :`( |
| 05:08.13 | spock_ | looks like i will have to pop into the bios and get the manual settings and go at it manual, eh? |
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| 05:08.18 | Infohawk | ironwolf, I know how to do it. Someone just told me debian kernels are "better than they used to be" |
| 05:08.28 | LSorensen | spock_: hmm, it's supposed to be isapnp compliant |
| 05:08.37 | peterS | man, the antispambot bot is staying busy |
| 05:08.45 | ironwolf | Infohawk: I use them generally. They work well for me. |
| 05:08.55 | spock_ | its a gatway laptop ;P (model solo 5150 incase you wondered) |
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| 05:09.05 | LSorensen | spock_: oh laptops often screw up isapnp horribly |
| 05:09.09 | Infohawk | ironwolf, sounds good then. I'll try them again. |
| 05:09.12 | spock_ | im sure they do |
| 05:09.24 | LSorensen | spock_: make sure pnp os is OFF in the bios (pnp os off, win95 off, whatever they call it) |
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| 05:09.43 | LSorensen | spock_: the excact settings could help. if it is an 1869 that should be the right driver though |
| 05:09.53 | Infohawk | So larger kernels don't make for system slow-down or longer bootups right? |
| 05:10.00 | spock_ | LSorensen: oh? why is that? then try to re-discover the device? :) |
| 05:10.06 | ironwolf | Infohawk: not that I've ever noticed. |
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| 05:10.10 | LSorensen | spock_: could try: modprobe snd-es18xx isapnp=1 |
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| 05:10.37 | LSorensen | spock_: microsoft requested some junk that makes most hardware not get initialized so windows can mess with it directly, but linux doesn't like that as much. |
| 05:10.45 | spock_ | LSorensen: same thing... :\ |
| 05:10.49 | spock_ | ah |
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| 05:10.59 | spock_ | shalt i reboot without pnp os enabled and try this again? :) |
| 05:11.00 | Infohawk | ironwolf, thanks |
| 05:11.04 | LSorensen | spock_: does wonders. makes pcmcia slots go from not there to working in linux on many laptops. |
| 05:11.10 | spock_ | nice |
| 05:11.16 | LSorensen | spock_: might as well try yes. |
| 05:11.24 | LSorensen | spock_: and note the settings for the sound while you are at it |
| 05:11.35 | spock_ | LSorensen: thanks for the help, wish me luck, hehe :) |
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| 05:13.47 | maher | ironwolf: sed -n -e /Package\\\|Status/p /var/lib/dpkg/status | awk '{ getline b ; print $0 b }' | sed -n -e /\ installed/p <-- almost there |
| 05:14.08 | sjj | mwilson: I take it i can't? |
| 05:14.16 | mwilson | sjj: Can't what? |
| 05:14.37 | ironwolf | maher: thanks. |
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| 05:15.35 | sjj | mwilson: tell it to use an older version |
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| 05:18.49 | zic | please, what is the name of the variable that contains all arguments i get ($0, $1, $2, etc) in bash? |
| 05:19.42 | ironwolf | zic $* |
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| 05:20.40 | zic | ironwolf : thank you.. where did you see?? |
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| 05:21.04 | ironwolf | zic: echo $* in a shell script |
| 05:21.16 | spock_ | sussudio: thanks, but i was informing someone that i couldnt remember the nick of |
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| 05:22.03 | spock_ | why doesnt "modconf" work in debian testing (kernel 2.6.3)... is there an alternative? |
| 05:22.48 | spock_ | LSorensen: still no success :\ |
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| 05:29.26 | CowboyAtHeart | Hello all. I'm having some problems getting 3d acceleration going in X, with an ati card. Can anyone help me? |
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| 05:29.52 | LSorensen | CowboyAtHeart: I only bother with nvidia cards lately. |
| 05:29.57 | LSorensen | CowboyAtHeart: which ati is it? |
| 05:29.58 | Justin | !tell CowboyAtHeart about X problem |
| 05:30.13 | sussudio | hsn: do everyone a favour, go to wherever your ISP is and blow the fucking building up |
| 05:30.14 | LSorensen | spo0nman: modconf doesn't work with 2.6 kernels yet |
| 05:30.23 | LSorensen | er spock |
| 05:30.39 | CowboyAtHeart | Justin: according to proc/pci, it's VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS (rev 0) |
| 05:31.02 | CowboyAtHeart | I'm not sure of the actual card, it was put together by someone other than myself. |
| 05:31.20 | LSorensen | CowboyAtHeart: do you have xlibmesa-dri installed? |
| 05:31.22 | Justin | i hope it didn't cost oto much heh |
| 05:31.43 | hsn | LSorensen i have problem with my nvidia . i just installed the sarge . where can i find the docs about nv driver install and xfree config . its 800x600 max now |
| 05:31.54 | LSorensen | hsn: /msg dpkg nvidia-howto |
| 05:31.57 | CowboyAtHeart | LSorensen: what's the dpkg command to check if I do or not? |
| 05:32.04 | LSorensen | CowboyAtHeart: dpkg -l xlibmesa-dri |
| 05:32.35 | cafuego | Пpочuтайте пoжалyйcта вниматeльно. оÑo! |
| 05:33.12 | CowboyAtHeart | LS: nothing found, should I install that? |
| 05:33.23 | LSorensen | CowboyAtHeart: since it contains the dri module for r128, yes. |
| 05:33.33 | CowboyAtHeart | installing |
| 05:34.02 | LSorensen | CowboyAtHeart: and make sure your user is a member of the 'video' group |
| 05:34.05 | CowboyAtHeart | I tried most of the info I could find online for this, but I guess they're all built around redhat |
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| 05:34.24 | LSorensen | CowboyAtHeart: debian is more modular so you only have to install what you need |
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| 05:34.57 | CowboyAtHeart | so after installing that, assuming my XF86 config mentions r128 I should be ok? (have to leave to restart x, that's why I'm asking now before I go) |
| 05:35.17 | Justin | who says you have to restart X? |
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| 05:35.22 | LSorensen | CowboyAtHeart: if configured for r128, and you said yes to dri stuff when configuring X, then yeah I suspect it might just work |
| 05:35.31 | LSorensen | Justin: to load a new dri module, you have to restart X |
| 05:35.50 | Justin | LSorensen: you can start more than one X session... |
| 05:35.52 | LSorensen | CowboyAtHeart: make sure to really restart X (if using a display manager, control+alt+backspace is sure to kill it) |
| 05:36.07 | CowboyAtHeart | Ok, brb |
| 05:36.07 | LSorensen | Justin: most of the time yes, not always |
| 05:36.28 | Justin | LSorensen: "most of the time"? |
| 05:36.42 | LSorensen | Justin: nvidia driver running dri can not run 2 at the same time for example |
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| 05:37.07 | Cowboyatheart | humm, no luck yet LS/Justin |
| 05:37.15 | Justin | !tell Cowboyatheart about X problem |
| 05:37.23 | LSorensen | Cowboyatheart: is glcore and dri mentioned in the xf86config? |
| 05:37.34 | Justin | LSorensen: what do you mean "running dri"? |
| 05:37.37 | LSorensen | Cowboyatheart: what does glxinfo say the vendor is? |
| 05:37.52 | LSorensen | Justin: dri enabled nvidia driver does not permit you to run 2 sessions of X at a time |
| 05:37.58 | Cowboyatheart | humm, I don't see a glcore in xfconfig |
| 05:38.06 | Justin | LSorensen: I used to do it all the time |
| 05:38.12 | LSorensen | Cowboyatheart: maybe you should rerun dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:38.17 | Cowboyatheart | server glx vendor string: SGI |
| 05:38.21 | LSorensen | Justin: well it doesn't seem to work anymore |
| 05:38.28 | Cowboyatheart | ok, I'll give that a go |
| 05:38.35 | LSorensen | Cowboyatheart: anything about ati or mesa? |
| 05:38.39 | Justin | LSorensen: well it used to work:) |
| 05:38.51 | LSorensen | Justin: yeah but seems broken now. might be 2.6 kernel related |
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| 05:39.59 | Cowboyatheart | Vid card driver for the X server, with ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS (rev 0). should I be using ATI or somethign else? |
| 05:40.10 | Justin | !+X problem |
| 05:40.11 | dpkg | [x problem] We don't care if your X "doesn't work" or "gives an error" upload /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, /var/log/XFree86.0.log, and your ~/.xsession-errors somewhere, and then ask for help. otherwise don't bother. |
| 05:40.16 | JoshH | Cowboyatheart: you should be buying a new card. :P |
| 05:40.17 | hsn | sorry at the doc > Ensure you have main contrib non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list == how can i add these addresses ? |
| 05:40.26 | LSorensen | Cowboyatheart: what are you using now? |
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| 05:40.48 | LSorensen | Cowboyatheart: I would think r128 or ati would be the driver name to choose |
| 05:40.57 | JoshH | try ati |
| 05:41.08 | zic | please, i want to discover what ip has some mac address. how can i do that? |
| 05:41.10 | Cowboyatheart | LS: dpkg wanted to use ati, which I gues was it's default. I've tried various ones (manually adjusting the config files) |
| 05:41.16 | LSorensen | zic: arp? |
| 05:41.35 | LSorensen | Cowboyatheart: make sure to run dexconf afterwards to force rewriting the xf86config then |
| 05:41.37 | zic | LSorensen : arp?? adding it with some strange ip? |
| 05:41.49 | LSorensen | zic: no the arp cache might know who has the ip |
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| 05:41.57 | Justin | "what ip has some mac address" doesn't make any sense |
| 05:42.14 | sussudio | zic: there is no reason for you to know someone else's MAC address unless you have some nefarious purpose. now go away. |
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| 05:42.49 | Justin | maybe "what ip has a given mac address" or "what mac address is using a given ip" |
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| 05:43.05 | sgeigerbot | s |
| 05:43.22 | Cowboyatheart | sussudio: there are many reasons to know a mac address, many of them non-nefarious. |
| 05:43.30 | sussudio | Cowboyatheart: name one |
| 05:43.47 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: wake on lan |
| 05:43.58 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: someone _ELSES_ MAC address |
| 05:44.05 | zic | LSorensen : it doesnt have.. i need force it to add to the cache. |
| 05:44.07 | Cowboyatheart | sussudio: net-boot. |
| 05:44.18 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: wifi security |
| 05:44.19 | sussudio | bogus |
| 05:44.25 | LSorensen | zic: are you on the same subnet as the machine in question? |
| 05:44.26 | Justin | sussudio: mac based filtering using netfilter |
| 05:44.30 | JoshH | sussudio: curiosity |
| 05:44.32 | zic | LSorensen : yeah |
| 05:44.35 | peterS | any security that depends on mac addresses is awfully weak |
| 05:44.40 | LSorensen | zic: switch or hub? |
| 05:44.42 | sussudio | Justin: hax0ring |
| 05:44.53 | zic | LSorensen : router |
| 05:44.55 | sgeigerbot | peterS: did I say it was strong? I was saying that people use it for that. |
| 05:44.57 | Justin | peterS: it is better than security that depends on an ip:) |
| 05:45.12 | peterS | Justin: heh, point |
| 05:45.19 | LSorensen | zic: so switch. well unless the machine has sent a broadcast or talked to your machine directly, you won't have its mac in your arp cache |
| 05:45.36 | zic | LSorensen : is it impossible to discover? |
| 05:45.45 | Cowboyatheart | mac address does increase the required compency of the average cracker. |
| 05:45.50 | LSorensen | zic: sure, go read the mac of the network card sticker on the machien |
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| 05:46.04 | Justin | LSorensen: pining it usually works better |
| 05:46.15 | Justin | s/ni/ngi/ |
| 05:46.31 | LSorensen | zic: could try a network address ping and then checking the arp |
| 05:46.47 | LSorensen | zic: like: ping 192.168.1.255 for a few seconds, then run arp |
| 05:46.54 | peterS | Justin: indeed, there are places where mac-based security is useful. like a switch whose port only works if your mac address is right. random people can't just plug their laptops into your LAN without doing a little research |
| 05:47.20 | sgeigerbot | Can someone explain to me what's going on here: I can use the coffee house's wireless lan (no encryption) which uses 192.168.200.x and then suspend my laptop and go to another wifi hotspot that uses 192.168.1.x (no encryption either) and resume the use of my previous IRC session. |
| 05:47.47 | zic | LSorensen : sure.. |
| 05:48.29 | Cowboyatheart | LS: does arp propogate beyond the local subnet? |
| 05:48.31 | xam | sgeigerbot: mhh, that's nice ... but not possible |
| 05:48.35 | LSorensen | Cowboyatheart: no |
| 05:48.44 | LSorensen | Cowboyatheart: local ethernet segment only |
| 05:48.47 | peterS | sgeigerbot: since that involves a TCP connection, I'm guessing the connection is broken, then reestablished transparently by your irc client |
| 05:48.54 | LSorensen | Cowboyatheart: well unless you have an explicit arp proxy running |
| 05:49.02 | Cowboyatheart | ok, (didn't think so, just wasn't sure by the way you phrased things earlier) |
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| 05:50.09 | zic | LSorensen : is arp proxy done by bridge? |
| 05:50.19 | skel | anyone have any tips on getting apache to read a config from a db like MySQL or Postgre? |
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| 05:50.50 | Cowboyatheart | skel: with mod-perl, you could do that. You can include perl in your config file. |
| 05:51.19 | skel | Cowboyatheart: so does apache read modules.conf first? |
| 05:51.21 | Cowboyatheart | skel: I don't have an example, but by reading the mod perl examples, I'm sure you could find something. |
| 05:51.27 | skel | ok |
| 05:51.32 | skel | I'll check that out |
| 05:51.40 | Cowboyatheart | skel: apache reads httpd.conf (or whatever it's configured to read first) |
| 05:51.44 | mickeyks | has anyone successfully extracted the kernel docbook documentation using "make htmldocs"? |
| 05:51.58 | Cowboyatheart | skel: beyond that, I believe it reads them in teh order they are included. |
| 05:52.20 | Cowboyatheart | skel: have a look at mod perl, it might do what you want. |
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| 05:55.14 | peterS | ok, the Two Minutes Hate is over now. resume your conversations. |
| 05:55.29 | Cowboyatheart | I thought it was 3 minutes hate? |
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| 05:56.40 | Justin | %:/data/books)- grep -i hate george_orwell_-_1984.txt|grep minute -i |
| 05:56.41 | Justin | Two Minutes Hate was over. He took a chair in the same row as |
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| 05:58.09 | peterS | !win Justin |
| 05:58.10 | dpkg | Congratulations, Justin! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 05:58.41 | maher | mickeyks: do you have all the docbook stuff installed? |
| 05:58.45 | marp | can anyone here help me install radeon 9700 drivers? |
| 05:58.49 | deadcat | anyone tried cryptoloop on a 2.4 kernel? i cant seem to find a patch |
| 05:58.52 | flyboy^ | marp: You left: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 05:58.54 | mickeyks | maher yeah, i think so |
| 05:59.08 | maher | mickeyks: well - it seems to be working for me... |
| 05:59.11 | marp | heh, thanks |
| 05:59.26 | maher | mickeyks: do you have docbook-utils |
| 05:59.34 | mickeyks | maher: in the Docbook directory, you just type "make htmldocs" and it works? |
| 05:59.46 | maher | mickeyks: no - in the main kernel source dir |
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| 06:00.29 | mickeyks | maher: i need to install docbook stylesheets, apparently |
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| 06:00.55 | peterS | I think we need to have a real Two Minutes Hate here. we can bring up Emmanuel Goldstein, Darl McBride, Steve Balmer, and George W. Bush |
| 06:01.11 | jaaah | haha |
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| 06:01.47 | sparr | is there a 'main' alsa sound module? one that would be loaded no matter which driver is being used |
| 06:01.56 | peterS | oh yeah, and Ken Brown, and Klaus Knopper for setting the default knoppix irc client to go to #debian. |
| 06:01.57 | Cowboyatheart | I can hate darl for a while, GW for a while too. I can't truely find reasons for the others thought. |
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| 06:02.53 | mickeyks | maher: the docbook-utils may have been enough. thanks... |
| 06:03.51 | mickeyks | maher: couldn't have hurt for the instructions to be a bit more specific in the README. there is a makefile right there in the same directory as the templates, so i thought i was supposed to do it there |
| 06:04.26 | maher | peterS: i thought knopper fixed that... |
| 06:04.38 | peterS | maher: oh. well, maybe he did |
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| 06:04.40 | mickeyks | maher: but thanks for your help, looks like it's going to work so far |
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| 06:07.58 | mickeyks | this is cool. i've never seen docbook compile before...or whatever you call what it does |
| 06:08.34 | peterS | it's aliiiive. the docbook is aliiiiiiiiiiiive |
| 06:08.38 | element | heh |
| 06:09.19 | Guerin | docbook is teh best |
| 06:09.19 | mickeyks | it's saying "feed me, mickeyks |
| 06:09.21 | mickeyks | " |
| 06:09.38 | mickeyks | now i just have to get my boss to back into it |
| 06:10.04 | mickeyks | hm |
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| 06:10.08 | mickeyks | getting errors now tho |
| 06:10.21 | mickeyks | no description found for a bunch of parameters |
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| 06:11.17 | gpm | gpm |
| 06:11.18 | onu | Could someone help me with a real quick hardware question? If I'm buying a Mobo with a 333Mhz FSB, CPU with 333Mhz FSB, what ram speed should I buy? PC2700? Higher? What's the best match to 333Mhz FSB? |
| 06:11.41 | JoshH | onu: pc2700 |
| 06:11.43 | Shadur | onu: Check the mainboard's documentation. |
| 06:11.51 | LSorensen | onu: 333mhz ram of course |
| 06:11.59 | JoshH | pc2700 = 333mhz |
| 06:12.05 | onu | Thank you very much JoshH |
| 06:12.10 | JoshH | :) |
| 06:12.13 | LSorensen | onu: 333mhz CL2.5 is basically the same as 400mhz CL2 and the same price too. |
| 06:12.14 | onu | Shadur and LSorensen as well |
| 06:12.22 | mickeyks | wow JoshH that's impressive |
| 06:12.27 | LSorensen | onu: 400mhz CL2 costs more of course |
| 06:13.05 | LSorensen | onu: er I meant 333mhz CL2 = 400mhz CL2.5 |
| 06:13.06 | blackbart | LSorensen: What? But you just said they're the same price |
| 06:13.26 | onu | LSorensen, I'm afraid I don't know what this CL2 and CL2.5 stuff is... I've been out of the hardware loop for years... |
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| 06:13.36 | LSorensen | onu: column access latency |
| 06:13.52 | JoshH | onu: the lower the better |
| 06:13.53 | LSorensen | onu: lower is better (makes the ram respond to requests faster). Go for CL2 whenever possible |
| 06:14.24 | LSorensen | onu: from what I have seen, CL2.5 is about 10% slower than CL2 for memory access times |
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| 06:14.42 | onu | Hmm, you're all very helpful |
| 06:14.43 | xam | LSorenson: It's time for 3D ram |
| 06:15.02 | LSorensen | onu: basically you should get 333MHZ DDR CL2.0 ram, or 400MHZ DDR CL2.5 (and run it as 333mhz CL2) |
| 06:15.16 | onu | Gotcha LSorensen |
| 06:15.30 | JoshH | onu: what cpu is it? you only want ddr400 if you are going to overclock |
| 06:15.32 | onu | Jeez, this channel is reason enough to stick with debian |
| 06:15.54 | LSorensen | onu: also usually worth getting name brand ram (like kingston or micron or crucial) since they are well testing, very reliable and well labeled. |
| 06:16.05 | onu | No overclocking, it's an AMD Athlon XP 2800+ (or 3000+, haven't decided) |
| 06:16.08 | JoshH | haha, there is actually quite a bit of flaming, rtfm's, etc in this channel usually |
| 06:16.16 | JoshH | just go pc2700 cas2 then |
| 06:16.20 | LSorensen | onu: barton core with 333mhz FSB are nice |
| 06:16.33 | xam | JoshH not at this early time of day ;) |
| 06:16.33 | xinming_laptop | anyone here use usb keyboard grub plz? |
| 06:16.45 | LSorensen | cas2 = cl2 (CL = CAS Latency) |
| 06:16.49 | JoshH | heh |
| 06:17.02 | onu | That's what I heard LSorenson, I've scrimped for 2 years to buy this thing, I've had much time to deliberate... |
| 06:17.18 | LSorensen | onu: My machine at work is a 2800+ |
| 06:17.19 | JoshH | xinming_laptop: see if your bios can control the usb keyboard |
| 06:17.28 | xinming_laptop | It seems that grub doesn't support usb keyboard |
| 06:17.30 | aldug | when I first login to my debian stable server and do 'mkdir test', why are the permissions set to 'drwxr-sr-x'? what does the s mean and how do I make it 755 by default? |
| 06:17.32 | LSorensen | onu: My farthers CAD system is a 2500+ |
| 06:17.33 | JoshH | bastard, i work on a p3 500 |
| 06:17.38 | xinming_laptop | JoshH: That does it, |
| 06:17.40 | aldug | I have umask 022 in my ~/.bash_profile |
| 06:17.46 | LSorensen | JoshH: I have a 120G SATA WD drive and 1GB ram |
| 06:18.05 | LSorensen | JoshH: and a 128M GF FX5200 |
| 06:18.14 | xinming_laptop | Why I am using usb keyboard in grub,It doesn't respond |
| 06:18.15 | LSorensen | JoshH: Makes for a nice linux machine |
| 06:18.19 | JoshH | indeed |
| 06:18.29 | LSorensen | xinming_laptop: no usb legacy emulation enabled in bios? |
| 06:18.30 | JoshH | my home box is a great linux machine |
| 06:18.43 | JoshH | xinming_laptop: use a ps2 adapter |
| 06:18.55 | LSorensen | JoshH: if they keyboard supports that |
| 06:19.05 | JoshH | it probably does |
| 06:19.26 | JoshH | xinming_laptop: do you actually have to choose what to boot, or do you have linux only, or what? |
| 06:19.34 | xinming_laptop | LSorensen: I've done it,And the problem is,the keyboard works very well in dos bios except the grub boot selections screen |
| 06:19.55 | LSorensen | xinming_laptop: it works in dos? or it works in the bios? |
| 06:19.55 | onu | Cas Latency: 2-2-2-5-1T? What's this? |
| 06:20.08 | JoshH | onu: thats good |
| 06:20.13 | JoshH | very good |
| 06:20.19 | LSorensen | onu: oh I can't remember the meaning of every number, but looks like CL2 |
| 06:20.22 | xinming_laptop | JoshH: I have windows and Linux Installed,But Now grub will only boot the choice which I defined in grub by default.:-( |
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| 06:20.33 | sanmarcos | I use Caps Lock all the Time, I never use shift, do you guys preffer shift or caps lock? |
| 06:20.35 | xinming_laptop | LSorensen: It works both fine in dos and bios |
| 06:20.43 | JoshH | xinming_laptop: if the usb keyboard support is set to bios instead of os, and it doesnt work in grub, your fucked. |
| 06:20.46 | LSorensen | sanmarcos: I never use caps lock |
| 06:20.48 | JoshH | try a ps2 adapter |
| 06:20.49 | onu | At $129/512MB Stick it better be crazy good JoshH :) |
| 06:20.55 | LSorensen | xinming_laptop: not sure. odd |
| 06:20.59 | sanmarcos | LSorensen: how can you handle that ! |
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| 06:21.13 | LSorensen | onu: why pay that much? |
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| 06:21.25 | onu | I'm not, just saying |
| 06:21.40 | JoshH | a good brand is expensive, but worth it imo, but a cheaper brand is fine if youre not going to overclock |
| 06:21.42 | onu | Accidently had NewEgg to sort by highest price (whoops) |
| 06:21.48 | xinming_laptop | JoshH: I ever use PS/2 Keyboard,But my keyboard was water while I am drinking. :-P |
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| 06:22.01 | JoshH | uh oh |
| 06:22.04 | onu | Stability is the idea here, no idea how long before the next computer/upgrades |
| 06:22.06 | JoshH | gotta be careful not to spill |
| 06:22.18 | xinming_laptop | JoshH: So I got a usb keyboard instead |
| 06:22.27 | zakame | hi, how can I set up unicode xterms/support in debian? Already read the Unicode-HOWTO, but it ain't enough... |
| 06:22.50 | JoshH | onu: go with kingston, corsair, mushkin, etc, get the one that has the lowest cas at the lowest price |
| 06:23.12 | sparr | what version of genksyms does alsa need to compile? |
| 06:23.15 | JoshH | xinming_laptop: try lilo |
| 06:23.21 | mickeyks | maher: and once you created that html stuff from docbook, where did it end up? |
| 06:23.29 | xam | JoshH I cannot recommend kingston anymore ... their quality has become worse and worse each year |
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| 06:23.46 | mickeyks | maher: never mind |
| 06:23.58 | JoshH | xam: i only like the hyperx, a lot of my friends get great overclocks with it, but i havent used kingston personally for a while |
| 06:24.02 | LSorensen | sanmarcos: I have 2 shift keys |
| 06:24.15 | sanmarcos | lol |
| 06:24.16 | xinming_laptop | JoshH: That's the only solution to me for now |
| 06:24.31 | LSorensen | onu: kingston ram is usually nicely priced. |
| 06:24.31 | xam | JoshH corsair is quite expensive, but to be fair, they DO have the best in quality and performance |
| 06:24.33 | sanmarcos | LSorensen: but doing so puts extra strain on the hand, just using hte control key, or tab key here, hurts my hand really bad |
| 06:24.43 | JoshH | yep |
| 06:24.47 | LSorensen | sanmarcos: never been a problem for me. |
| 06:25.03 | mauri | hi everyone |
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| 06:25.39 | blackbart | sanmarcos: how often do you actually use caps lock? |
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| 06:25.59 | gnomers | anyone with experience getting winmodem working? |
| 06:26.01 | onu | LSorenson, Kingstong has nice prices on CL 2.5 but as soon as that jumps up, so does the price... by about $40 |
| 06:26.06 | sanmarcos | LSorensen: i was just reading an article on slashdot about this.. I cant even think about hte caps lock key being removedm they should remove the end, home, and other keys.. or scroll lock |
| 06:26.22 | xam | "caps lock" ... the only key on my keyboard where I can still read the letter(s) |
| 06:26.32 | LSorensen | sanmarcos: I use home/end. I never use scroll lock or caps lock |
| 06:26.43 | blackbart | sanmarcos: I doubt they actually remove it, but replace it with something else. I use it for Control |
| 06:26.55 | zakame | gnomers: i'm on a cnxt hsfi pci... |
| 06:26.58 | onu | sanmarcos: store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/ |
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| 06:27.14 | LSorensen | onu: well most of the non name brands don't even carry the fast ram. |
| 06:27.22 | gnomers | zakame: i have a lucent winmodem |
| 06:27.25 | sanmarcos | onu: Nooo!! thats evil!!! |
| 06:27.34 | onu | sanmarcos, how's that? |
| 06:28.01 | LSorensen | onu: and well CL2.5 kingston is better than some who knows what no name brand if you think the CL2 is too expensive (you have to decide if the potential 10% speed gain on memory heavy applications is worth the extra $s) |
| 06:28.21 | sanmarcos | onu: no caps lock, although I do like the control there, no numpad!!, no big enter |
| 06:28.32 | sanmarcos | onu: I use a international keyboard here.. |
| 06:29.03 | onu | sanmarcos, sorry |
| 06:29.21 | xam | onu: WTF? where is the META on that thing? |
| 06:29.35 | onu | xam, it's there, check the FAQ |
| 06:30.13 | LSorensen | hmm, so if you map windows logo to meta, and windows menu to compose, you could have a nice useful layout... :) |
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| 06:30.37 | sanmarcos | whats meta? the windows key? |
| 06:30.50 | LSorensen | sanmarcos: meta is another alt key |
| 06:30.55 | sanmarcos | alt gr? |
| 06:30.59 | LSorensen | sanmarcos: no |
| 06:31.04 | onu | The alt-alt key |
| 06:31.10 | onu | Diet-alt |
| 06:31.11 | onu | alt.org |
| 06:31.13 | sanmarcos | ?? |
| 06:31.19 | sanmarcos | where is it placed? |
| 06:31.22 | onu | It's just like alt or ctrl, but different |
| 06:31.27 | LSorensen | sanmarcos: older mit keyboards had control, alt, meta and shift |
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| 06:31.38 | JoshH | im too young for those |
| 06:31.39 | sanmarcos | i have no meta key here |
| 06:31.40 | LSorensen | sanmarcos: well a few of them had even more, but lets not go there |
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| 06:31.57 | JoshH | the logitech elite is the finest keyboard on earth |
| 06:31.59 | onu | sanmarcos, you don't need one, really... |
| 06:32.00 | LSorensen | sanmarcos: PC keyboards don't have them usually |
| 06:32.02 | sanmarcos | ctrl win alt on the left, alt win leftmenu and control |
| 06:32.11 | LSorensen | JoshH: I am personally a keytronic PC104 fan |
| 06:32.41 | JoshH | laying your hands over a logitech elite is soothing and therapeutic |
| 06:32.47 | sanmarcos | lol |
| 06:33.06 | gnomers | any winmodem expertise out there? |
| 06:33.21 | LSorensen | JoshH: I like logitech mice. Never thought their keyboards were anything particularly interesting |
| 06:33.25 | sanmarcos | I like the control being on the Caps Lock, so it doesnt hurt your pinkie when doing alot of control-X, I tend to bend my pinkie fully to reach the ctrl key |
| 06:33.27 | LSorensen | gnomers: don't buy one! |
| 06:33.30 | RUsh | People, plz, help with unrar. I tryed to install binary *.deb, but it doesn't like versiont of my libs and in src there is no makefile! |
| 06:33.35 | onu | Winmodems, there's one cross I thankfully don't have to bare... |
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| 06:33.48 | JoshH | im glad i dont have to use a modem period |
| 06:33.53 | unperson | I also tried asking in #mozilla, but I guess it's worth asking here too: I recently installed firefox on my debian testing system. I played around with it once or twice and it seemed to be working great. But now when I try to envoke it, the window does not ever appear. |
| 06:33.53 | onu | RUsh, calm down, what's up? |
| 06:33.55 | unperson | The process is still running, according to ps, but I never actually get a browser. |
| 06:34.03 | unperson | Any idea how I can fix this? |
| 06:34.12 | JoshH | unperson: kill -9 the pid |
| 06:34.15 | RUsh | onu, I just need unrar:) |
| 06:34.16 | JoshH | if kill doesnt work |
| 06:34.16 | sanmarcos | kill uit |
| 06:34.19 | gnomers | LSorensen: i did'nt, i'm helping someone who has one in the machine and am trying to get them use Linux but can't get winmodem working |
| 06:34.28 | LoRez | unperson: move your .firefox directory and try it again |
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| 06:34.37 | JoshH | try killing first |
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| 06:34.41 | LSorensen | gnomers: well you can check www.linmodems.org but for most of them you can't get it working |
| 06:34.50 | sparr | how do i tell modprobe where to find new modules? |
| 06:34.58 | gnomers | LSorensen: how true |
| 06:35.00 | LSorensen | gnomers: it doesn't contain most of the modem hardware so it's not much of a modem really |
| 06:35.02 | jaaah | sparr: it looks in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) |
| 06:35.06 | LSorensen | sparr: depmod -a |
| 06:35.17 | JoshH | gnomers: if they have to use dialup, have them buy a us robotics hardware modem |
| 06:35.21 | jaaah | !+info unrar woody |
| 06:35.22 | unperson | JoshH, Thanks, but I know how to kill it. |
| 06:35.22 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 2.71-1 (woody), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 116 kB |
| 06:35.38 | unperson | JoshH, That doesn't help. When I start it again, same behavior. |
| 06:35.40 | LSorensen | JoshH: I have a v.everything external sitting on the shelf (I got DSL about a month ago) |
| 06:35.48 | jaaah | RUsh: why don't you just install the .deb for woody? |
| 06:35.54 | unperson | LoRez, Yeah, I guess I should try it. |
| 06:36.05 | sparr | LSorensen: thanks |
| 06:36.11 | JoshH | i wish i could get speakeasys 6.0/768 dsl |
| 06:36.13 | RUsh | But I have no Unrar in my destribution |
| 06:36.17 | sparr | LSorensen: what else? |
| 06:36.25 | sparr | jaaah: yeah, but its not looking everywhere there :( |
| 06:36.29 | RUsh | jaah, I have no it |
| 06:36.31 | sanmarcos | microsoft joysticks are made out of cheap plastic, I preffer logitech, or something else |
| 06:36.34 | gnomers | LSorensen: I was trying hard to get this thing working. what happens is when wvidalconf runs, the whole system hangs, only powercycle works |
| 06:36.40 | LSorensen | RUsh: http://www.backports.org/debian/dists/woody/unrar/binary-i386/ |
| 06:36.43 | jaaah | RUsh: well, it's in there... |
| 06:36.49 | sparr | alsa installed itself to /lib/modules/'uname -r'/misc but modprobe cant find them |
| 06:36.54 | RUsh | thanks a lot! |
| 06:37.00 | LSorensen | gnomers: not using an SMP kernel I hope |
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| 06:37.03 | jaaah | RUsh: can't you just get your warez buddy to bzip2 it instead? |
| 06:37.08 | gnomers | LSorensen: no |
| 06:37.16 | jaaah | sparr: did you rerun depmod? |
| 06:37.16 | LSorensen | sparr: did you use the alsa-source package and build modules matching the kernel? |
| 06:37.18 | unperson | JoshH, Speakeasy is the bomb diggidy, indeed. |
| 06:37.22 | sparr | LSorensen: yes |
| 06:37.24 | sparr | jaaah: yes |
| 06:37.32 | LSorensen | sparr: which kernel version? |
| 06:37.37 | jaaah | sparr: hm |
| 06:37.37 | sparr | 2.4.25 |
| 06:37.42 | JoshH | im too far from a co, so im stuck with comcast and a shitty upload speed |
| 06:38.03 | LSorensen | sparr: so alsa modules package matching kernel is installed but it still won't see the modules? |
| 06:38.16 | sparr | shaggy:/usr/src/modules/alsa-driver-0.5-0.5.12a-2# ls /lib/modules/2.4.25.20040603/misc/ |
| 06:38.16 | sparr | snd-ac97-codec.o snd-card-dummy.o snd-card-nm256.o snd-cs461x.o snd-mixer.o snd-seq-device.o snd-synth-trident.o |
| 06:38.18 | LSorensen | sparr: alsa-utils and alsa-base installed? |
| 06:38.32 | LSorensen | sparr: whatever does your uname -r say? |
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| 06:38.44 | sparr | 2.4.25.20040603 |
| 06:38.50 | sparr | of course :-p |
| 06:38.52 | sparr | im not daft |
| 06:38.57 | voltagex | how can I give users in the group windows access to /mnt/xp? |
| 06:39.02 | LSorensen | sparr: and what is in /lib/modules/2.4.25.20040603/misc ? |
| 06:39.10 | sparr | all the alsa modules |
| 06:39.18 | onu | On the subject of randome cool hardware: http://www.transcend.com.tw/English/FlashCard/FLSMod.asp?CatID=11#JetFlash%20WLAN |
| 06:39.19 | jaaah | he just showed that. |
| 06:39.24 | LSorensen | oh I misread it |
| 06:39.28 | sparr | more than i pasted |
| 06:39.28 | sparr | a lot more |
| 06:39.30 | RUsh | wow! It's work! Thanks a lot! |
| 06:39.31 | onu | usb hard drive + wlan adapter |
| 06:39.31 | sparr | i just didnt want to flood |
| 06:39.32 | JoshH | voltagex: add windows to the fstab options |
| 06:39.33 | onu | it's sweet |
| 06:39.34 | Mestapheles | hi all, I wondering about a stupid mistake when installing ... I pressed the space bar when asked about moxilla-browser and how to repesent txt. dpkg-reconfigure does not bring up any interactive menu up but just passes (in su mode). From user mode it doesn't recognise the command. I want to recoup what I lost when pressing the space bar during install if anything. Does anyone know about space barring during install? |
| 06:39.36 | LSorensen | sparr: modinfo snd-mixer |
| 06:39.46 | jaaah | voltagex: find the numeric guid of that group, then mount it with the option "gid=<GID>" |
| 06:39.56 | sparr | filename: /lib/modules/2.4.25.20040603/misc/snd-mixer.o |
| 06:39.59 | sparr | oh, sure, THAT one it can find |
| 06:39.59 | voltagex | ok thanks |
| 06:40.01 | sparr | lol |
| 06:40.07 | sanmarcos | Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:swapcaps" |
| 06:40.12 | LSorensen | sparr: what sound card are you loading the driver for?> |
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| 06:40.51 | jaaah | Mestapheles: try "dpkg-reconfigure -plow mozilla-browser" |
| 06:41.00 | sparr | intel8x0 |
| 06:41.04 | voltagex | ok... how do I find the gid? |
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| 06:41.20 | LSorensen | sparr: modinfo snd-intel8x0 |
| 06:41.59 | sparr | doesnt exist |
| 06:42.04 | sparr | snd-card-intel8x0 does |
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| 06:42.15 | Mestapheles | from su? |
| 06:42.16 | LSorensen | sparr: how old is that alsa version? |
| 06:42.17 | sparr | omg |
| 06:42.18 | sparr | i feel stupid |
| 06:42.27 | sparr | i was putting the .o on the end |
| 06:42.27 | LSorensen | sparr: they renamed the modules a few months ago |
| 06:42.32 | LSorensen | sparr: yeah don't put .o |
| 06:42.35 | unperson | LoRez, Well, moves .firefox, still no luck. I suppose it might be something I installed in the firefox directories themselves. |
| 06:42.35 | sparr | too old apparently |
| 06:42.49 | sparr | guess i need a newer source package than exists in debian :( |
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| 06:42.51 | jaaah | voltagex: you have to look in /etc/group, afaict. |
| 06:42.52 | unperson | LoRez, I'm going to check out what files have been modified. |
| 06:43.00 | LSorensen | sparr: a newer one is in testing and unstable |
| 06:43.03 | LSorensen | sparr: but that one is fine |
| 06:43.05 | sparr | im using unstable |
| 06:43.06 | LoRez | unperson: could be. I know I had to muck with mozilla when I upgraded from 1.4 to 1.6 |
| 06:43.08 | sparr | and/or incoming |
| 06:43.27 | LSorensen | sparr: ehm, hmm. And you are sure you have the latest /usr/src/alsa-source.tar.gz extracted? |
| 06:43.41 | sparr | the latest one in my apt-cache |
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| 06:44.00 | LSorensen | sparr: but did you remember to delete the modules/alsa-source dir and reextract it to be sure it's the latest one? |
| 06:44.16 | LSorensen | sparr: installing alsa-source does not extract it automatically as far as I recall |
| 06:44.19 | jaaah | do you see what I see? DO YOU SEE WHAT I SEE? |
| 06:44.30 | sparr | i didnt have alsa-source before |
| 06:44.33 | onu | Anyways, Shell Provider probably doesn't like me using the shell for IRC so, goodnight #debian. Thanks again JoshH and LSorensen, you were a big help |
| 06:44.37 | sparr | i was using a stock kernel, and thus stock modules, before |
| 06:44.38 | sanmarcos | anybody using a DVORAK keyboard here? |
| 06:44.40 | LSorensen | sparr: ok. which version is it? |
| 06:45.01 | LSorensen | sparr: might also just be 2.6 alsa modules that have a different name |
| 06:45.15 | beth|sheep | sanmarcos: I have, in the past. Question? |
| 06:45.17 | jaaah | hm, the #debian regulars do change over time |
| 06:45.20 | LSorensen | sparr: although I thought all 1.x alsa versions used the new names (without -card- in them) |
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| 06:45.37 | sparr | im not using 2.6 |
| 06:45.41 | LSorensen | sparr: I know. |
| 06:45.46 | sanmarcos | beth|sheep: nothing, just curious. |
| 06:45.48 | beth|sheep | jaaah: a star, a star, drifting in the night, with a tail as big as a kite? with a tail as big as a kite? |
| 06:45.49 | sparr | err, how can i tell the alsa version? |
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| 06:46.00 | sparr | ill just search the cache again |
| 06:46.03 | LSorensen | sparr: cat /proc/asound/version or dpkg -l alsa-source |
| 06:46.14 | sparr | 0.5 |
| 06:46.18 | sparr | it was that or 0.4 |
| 06:46.32 | LSorensen | sparr: 0.9 has been in testing for probably over a year |
| 06:46.32 | C0M3_0F_TH3_H377 | alguem do brasil] |
| 06:46.35 | sparr | and i picked the newer one |
| 06:46.37 | C0M3_0F_TH3_H377 | alguem do brasil] |
| 06:46.37 | sparr | odd |
| 06:46.42 | jaaah | C0M3_0F_TH3_H377: #debian-br |
| 06:46.47 | LSorensen | sparr: you better not be using 0.4 or 0.5 they are ancient |
| 06:47.10 | LSorensen | sparr: most software doesn't even support less than 0.9 anymore |
| 06:47.47 | LSorensen | sparr: maybe it is time to do an apt-get update and an upgrade |
| 06:48.15 | sparr | i just got this package |
| 06:48.19 | sparr | like 6 hours ago |
| 06:48.24 | xinming_laptop | anyone can tell me what "Scroll lock" used for in console? |
| 06:48.32 | sparr | and i update/upgrade weekly |
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| 06:48.43 | sparr | xinming_laptop: random, depends on the console :) |
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| 06:49.00 | xinming_laptop | sparr: I think It's getty. :-) |
| 06:49.01 | LSorensen | sparr: is it 1.0.4 or 0.4 or 0.5? |
| 06:49.12 | sparr | alsa-source-0.5 |
| 06:49.12 | beth|sheep | xinming_laptop: mostly hitting it by accident, which makes you think everything broke |
| 06:49.26 | beth|sheep | it's there just to make things interesting |
| 06:49.26 | sparr | 0.5 and 0.4 are the two i get on an apt-cache search |
| 06:49.49 | LSorensen | sparr: well 1.0.4-3 appears to be the version in testing right now. use that |
| 06:49.55 | xinming_laptop | sparr: It seems lock the system,while you push the button,And then pushed again,it will work again.And what this "feature" used for then? |
| 06:49.55 | jaaah | beth|sheep: hm, I wish |
| 06:50.17 | sparr | xinming_laptop: that particular behavior is to keep things from scrolling off screen |
| 06:50.23 | unperson | Eh, I guess for now I may just reinstall and see if I can figure out when exactly things went wrong. |
| 06:50.26 | beth|sheep | xinming_laptop: in the past, it was useful when text would scroll by very quickly, you could pause it |
| 06:50.38 | beth|sheep | ...before people invented more(1) and less(1) |
| 06:50.58 | LSorensen | beth|sheep: in the past text scrolled by slowly |
| 06:51.06 | beth|sheep | LSorensen: good point :) |
| 06:51.08 | LSorensen | beth|sheep: and you had time to pause it with scroll lock |
| 06:51.30 | beth|sheep | how about Pause/Break? |
| 06:51.41 | xinming_laptop | beth|sheep: Oh,Ok,I think I know know. :-) |
| 06:51.41 | xinming_laptop | beth|sheep: thanks for you clear explaination. |
| 06:51.41 | xinming_laptop | sparr: thx too. ;-) |
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| 06:52.01 | LSorensen | beth|sheep: break has nothing to do with it, pause seems a bit different in use |
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| 06:52.35 | Ra|mis | what's wrong with ARP sniffing: Can't bind port 1013 (required for HTTPS dissection)? |
| 06:52.48 | voltagex | everything in /etc/fstab will mount at startup won't it? |
| 06:52.59 | LSorensen | voltagex: unless it is flagged noauto |
| 06:53.07 | LSorensen | voltagex: or it can't mount |
| 06:53.13 | voltagex | ok good |
| 06:53.25 | voltagex | everything worky worky nicey nicey |
| 06:53.53 | jaaah | Ra|mis: only root can bind to ports below 1024. |
| 06:53.58 | beth|sheep | LSorensen: I mean, what's that key for? any idea? |
| 06:54.14 | Ra|mis | jaaah: bet I'm in root |
| 06:54.17 | beth|sheep | sounds kind of like scroll lock... :/ |
| 06:54.26 | LSorensen | beth|sheep: break is usually related to serial break pulse, although IBM may hgave had different uses for it on a mainframe |
| 06:54.53 | jaaah | Ra|mis: is something else listening on that port? |
| 06:54.56 | LSorensen | beth|sheep: system request is also a mainframe legacy key |
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| 06:55.02 | beth|sheep | ! |
| 06:55.06 | jaaah | use "netstat -plant | grep LISTEN" to see. |
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| 06:55.11 | beth|sheep | no, SysRq is the coolest best key ever |
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| 06:55.31 | beth|sheep | LSorensen: in your kernel config, Kernel Debugging -> Magic SysRq Key |
| 06:55.32 | LSorensen | beth|sheep: dos/windows sure never found a use for it. Linux has alt+sysrq I suppose |
| 06:55.39 | beth|sheep | you'll wonder how you lived without it |
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| 06:55.47 | Ra|mis | jaaah: ok thanks.... i kill other ettercap |
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| 06:56.41 | Ra|mis | but with ARP sniffing I can see all packets? |
| 06:56.47 | beth|sheep | keyboard factory employee #1: "do you think anybody uses this Pause/Break key? Let's leave it out" k.f.e.#2: "hm, our last keyboard had it, somebody must need it." (repeat for next 20 years) |
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| 06:57.09 | jaaah | Ra|mis: why are you trying to sniff ARP packets? |
| 06:57.22 | jaaah | hahaha |
| 06:57.22 | jaaah | same with scroll lock. |
| 06:57.30 | Ra|mis | because switch network |
| 06:57.43 | Cowboyatheart | the pause/break key is very useful. I map it to many different things in various games. |
| 06:57.49 | beth|sheep | and the Menu key (next to the Windows key) |
| 06:57.58 | jaaah | Ra|mis: so...? |
| 06:58.04 | tcsetattr | "arp sniffing" mode in ettercap is not about sniffing arp packets. It's about conducting a man-in-the-middle attack using spoofed ARPs to intercept packets that you otherwise wouldn't see. |
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| 06:58.14 | jaaah | ahhhhh. |
| 06:58.19 | Cowboyatheart | It's (to me) an extra key, that I can assign 1 click "Throw a fireball" to |
| 06:58.30 | Cowboyatheart | (err, 1 keypress) |
| 06:58.41 | jaaah | beth|sheep: hm, I thought it was just a funny symbol that meant "compose" ;) |
| 06:58.43 | Ra|mis | so... I don;t ca sniff with IP |
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| 06:59.24 | jaaah | Ra|mis: um, this seems to be rather off-topic for #debian. |
| 06:59.41 | jaaah | try #31337h4x0ring on EFNET or something. |
| 07:00.22 | Cowboyatheart | I actually wish they'd standardize extra keys. My wife has 15 extra keys on her keyboard, that sit there ignored. (and at the same time, the | key is in the wrong place). If they standardized all that,it would be much easier. |
| 07:00.35 | jaaah | ACME and hotkeys can use them. |
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| 07:01.47 | beth|sheep | I find it funny that my laptop keyboard has the aforementioned silly keys. Like, somebody thought "no, we can't squish these out, they need to be there somewhere!" |
| 07:01.57 | beth|sheep | I'd give them up for more space for BackSpace |
| 07:02.58 | tcsetattr | Try pressing the Pause key right after your BIOS shows you the list of detected hardware, before it starts booting the OS bootloader. It should Pause there. So that key _does_ do something |
| 07:03.25 | Cowboyatheart | I just wish they'd keep the keys in the same location, no matter what. The ibm ps/2 keyboard, I believe it's an M-Series, has all the keys in the right place. Quit moving them! Pipe is NOT underneath the enter key! |
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| 07:04.29 | beth|sheep | tcsetattr: what, and reboot? |
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| 07:05.02 | beth|sheep | actually I installed uprecords on my laptop just out of curiousity |
| 07:05.31 | Orlino | my box crashes now and then and spits out a full screen of messages that make no sense, can anyone suggest something? |
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| 07:05.48 | beth|sheep | Orlino: not unless we know what the messages are |
| 07:06.00 | jaaah | Orlino: when? lots of hex numbers and square brackets? |
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| 07:06.21 | Orlino | jaaah: yeah, and kind of a panic note at the end, interupt handler and all that |
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| 07:06.41 | jaaah | Orlino: when does it do that? |
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| 07:06.52 | Orlino | jaaah: did that a minute ago |
| 07:07.03 | Orlino | jaaah: ones I saw ntop in there |
| 07:07.04 | jaaah | hm, sbuild really should chroot. |
| 07:07.20 | jaaah | Orlino: ie during boot? during use? |
| 07:07.33 | Orlino | jaaah: no during use |
| 07:07.37 | jaaah | and I'm 90% sure sbuild *used* to chroot. and I haven't changed my config. |
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| 07:07.56 | jaaah | Orlino: jsut once? |
| 07:08.02 | jaaah | Orlino: or does it happen reproducibly? |
| 07:08.06 | Mestapheles | jaaah: thanks jaaah that apparently worked and was the correct command. |
| 07:08.26 | Orlino | jaaah: started happening few months back, ones in 2 weeks or os |
| 07:08.28 | Orlino | so |
| 07:08.37 | jaaah | Mestapheles: cool. |
| 07:08.42 | jaaah | Orlino: run memtest86. |
| 07:08.49 | jaaah | that smells like bad ram. |
| 07:09.17 | sussudio | with the lights off it's less dangerous here we are now entertain us |
| 07:09.25 | sussudio | rammmmm |
| 07:09.38 | jaaah | do you feel stupid? |
| 07:09.41 | jaaah | and contagious? |
| 07:10.06 | Orlino | jaaah: speaking of ram, I actually bough a stick of 64MB 100 ram, don;t remember box crashing before that purchase |
| 07:10.16 | sussudio | O o |
| 07:10.17 | jaaah | ah |
| 07:10.38 | jaaah | sussudio: http://hjem.get2net.dk/nirvclub/lyrics/never.htm |
| 07:10.42 | Cowboyatheart | Orlino: memtest86 finds ALOT of problems you'd never expect. |
| 07:10.47 | sussudio | Orlino: was it BADGERRAMMMM? |
| 07:10.54 | Mestapheles | Jaah: I just got x up, this seems so fast for a linux-ppc! And I don't even have a up to date x or kernel for that matter! |
| 07:10.56 | troubled | !badger sussudio |
| 07:10.57 | dpkg | sussudio: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 07:11.03 | sussudio | :-| |
| 07:11.05 | Orlino | sussudio: what does that mean |
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| 07:11.14 | sussudio | !confuse Orlino |
| 07:11.15 | dpkg | yes, who is our badger yesterday, Orlino ? by order of the monarchy of swaziland with extra herring |
| 07:11.50 | MobyTurbo | mmm herring |
| 07:12.01 | jaaah | Mestapheles: heh, cool |
| 07:12.01 | Orlino | jaaah: how do you use memtest86 |
| 07:12.02 | beth|sheep | mmm swaziland |
| 07:12.14 | jaaah | Orlino: it doesn't have a README file?> |
| 07:12.19 | jaaah | you need to reboot into it. |
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| 07:12.29 | beth|sheep | Orlino: you have to boot into it, either with a boot disk or put it as an entry in grub |
| 07:12.36 | Orlino | jaaah: I apt-get install it, and no man file |
| 07:12.43 | maher | beth|sheep: you have an affection for swaziland? |
| 07:12.48 | Cowboyatheart | Orlino: find it online, set it up, and add it to your boot loader (or, if you'd like, make a boot disk) |
| 07:12.48 | beth|sheep | maher: it's tasty |
| 07:12.54 | troubled | !lart simonrvn for playing too much breakout |
| 07:12.59 | maher | beth|sheep: ok |
| 07:13.06 | jaaah | hey, or lilo. |
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| 07:13.18 | beth|sheep | ew, lilo |
| 07:13.19 | jaaah | lilo is a perfectly cromulant bootloader |
| 07:13.30 | Orlino | Cowboyatheart: so no apt-get install it |
| 07:13.39 | troubled | lilo: get any mysterious white envelopes in the mail lately? ;) |
| 07:13.48 | beth|sheep | jaaah: hehe, I'll let you go just for that phrasing |
| 07:13.52 | sussudio | booting is overrated |
| 07:14.03 | Cowboyatheart | Orlino: There may be, but probably not. |
| 07:14.20 | troubled | sussudio: its more than some poeople can get linux to do after a kernel compile |
| 07:14.50 | Orlino | Cowboyatheart: I meant, I got in using apt-get install, but it does not have a man file |
| 07:15.23 | Cowboyatheart | Orlino: try /usr/share/doc/memtest86 |
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| 07:16.17 | Orlino | Cowboyatheart: ok found it there |
| 07:16.32 | Cowboyatheart | Orlino: I could help more, but I don't have it here at home, if I was at work I could describe it all. |
| 07:17.06 | beth|sheep | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:17.23 | Orlino | Cowboyatheart: nah thats cool, gonna read the readme, so you think it might be the ram? |
| 07:17.56 | jaaah | yummay! |
| 07:17.57 | troubled | apt-food --fast install McDonalds Big Mac |
| 07:18.00 | beth|sheep | Orlino: it smells like bad ram, it quacks like bad ram, and it only started after you installed new ram |
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| 07:18.57 | Orlino | beth|sheep: well when jaaah mentioned ram, I remembered bying second hand ram |
| 07:19.16 | Cowboyatheart | Orlino: I have no idea, as it seems you don't either. Which means its' a good time to check the ram just in case. |
| 07:19.42 | Orlino | Cowboyatheart: yeah all you guys are right thanx |
| 07:20.00 | Cowboyatheart | Bad ram can give you really really weird errors, which you can never reproduce at times. |
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| 07:20.41 | voltagex | cleaning out my case of my old computer helped with stability... of course it had a thick layer of dust inside :| |
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| 07:23.28 | Mestapheles | night jaaah, all |
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| 07:24.19 | xerone | do i need to recompile the kernel to use iptables? |
| 07:24.43 | somiaj | xerone: custom compile, if you didn't add ip filtering support then yes, though its included in the debian kernel as modules |
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| 07:25.01 | jaaah | depends on which kernel. |
| 07:25.02 | Cowboyatheart | xerone: if you are using a standard debian kernel, you shouldn't. |
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| 07:26.02 | xerone | thanks |
| 07:26.22 | zimnyx | is there any adventages in using dselect in comperison with apt* ? |
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| 07:27.20 | Cowboyatheart | zimnyx: dselect gives you suggestions, as well as showing you what is required to install "foo". Although I'd recommend aptitude rather than dselect. |
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| 07:28.34 | Cowboyatheart | zimnyx: either way, dselect or aptitude work very well, but both require a slight (or heavy) learning curve to use effectively. But if you pass the curve, they blow apt-* away. |
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| 07:29.06 | zimnyx | hmm |
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| 07:30.19 | jaaah | are those turkish hosts spambots or something? |
| 07:31.07 | jaaah | also, note I'm not getting spammed, and have no special modes set |
| 07:31.29 | sussudio | yes, it would be difficult to spam someone in the split second it takes before the k-line |
| 07:31.35 | bob2 | ah |
| 07:31.46 | Cowboyatheart | night all |
| 07:31.50 | jaaah | no point banning them then |
| 07:32.04 | sussudio | they're spreading to other nets. |
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| 07:32.12 | sussudio | and other IRC networks. |
| 07:32.22 | be3 | I need help - how to agregate bandwith from 2 ISP on linux router (bonding is wrong) ? |
| 07:32.23 | jaaah | fuckers. |
| 07:32.33 | jaaah | you need to talk to your ISP |
| 07:32.36 | sussudio | gotta love unpatched windoze clients |
| 07:33.01 | be3 | jaaah: i cant talk. |
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| 07:33.18 | streuner | why not? |
| 07:33.18 | sussudio | O o |
| 07:33.29 | sussudio | garlic breath? |
| 07:33.50 | jaaah | er, ok. |
| 07:34.06 | be3 | streuner: dont want to cooperate with me. forget it.... |
| 07:34.34 | jaaah | be3: call your ISP. |
| 07:34.36 | jaaah | duh. |
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| 07:34.50 | be3 | bonding must be done on both side of connection. I cant do this. |
| 07:35.04 | jaaah | and why can't you talk to your ISP? |
| 07:35.24 | be3 | jaaah: they dont want to help. must be other solution. |
| 07:35.35 | jaaah | right |
| 07:35.44 | Joris | anyone into blootbot? mine just sits there without actually connecting (connect(7, {sa_family=AF_INET ..., then it stops) |
| 07:35.46 | jaaah | they don't want to help, ergo there *must* be another way to do it |
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| 07:36.20 | be3 | jaaah: yes. but how? |
| 07:36.33 | jaaah | be3: I was mocking you for being silly. |
| 07:36.50 | jaaah | the only two ways I know to do that are multi-homing and channel bonding |
| 07:36.58 | jaaah | and both require ISP configuration |
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| 07:37.21 | kerpal | dpkg hi #debian |
| 07:37.22 | dpkg | WTF do you want, #debian, I'm busy |
| 07:37.22 | anonobomber | kerpal, i kicked your dog |
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| 07:37.35 | kerpal | dpkg irritate anonobomber |
| 07:37.36 | dpkg | anonobomber: wenas! |
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| 07:38.13 | kerpal | nothing like googling for a deb :( |
| 07:38.35 | MobyTurbo | kerpal: apt-cache search |
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| 07:38.44 | mutek | kerpal: isn't that illegal in some places ;-)? |
| 07:39.23 | mutek | anyone know of an audio-signal generator app in debian? I can't see one (except beep) |
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| 07:39.29 | rich_ | Hi |
| 07:39.52 | mutek | hi |
| 07:40.03 | anonobomber | mutek, cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 07:40.07 | kerpal | MobyTurbo: not listed... not in sources.list .. |
| 07:40.26 | mutek | anonobomber: hmmm - yeah - thanks... |
| 07:40.30 | kerpal | apt-cache only as good as your cache which is only as good as the update you get from your sources.. |
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| 07:41.03 | mutek | anonobomber: I was hoping for something a little more in the controllable sinewave category, to be honest... |
| 07:41.04 | jaaah | heh, the subversion devs are trolling arch people on the gcc list |
| 07:41.21 | MobyTurbo | kerpal: maybe you're using the wrong keyword. If not, install from source and use checkinstall to make your own deb. |
| 07:41.27 | kerpal | I found my deb, but still it aint right.. [wishes] apt-get.org wasn't down in the search cat, apt-cache had a --switch that interfaced with that and all unofficiall packages where listed their by habbit. |
| 07:41.43 | mutek | jaaah: what did that mean? (me wonders if I speak same lingo) |
| 07:41.44 | kerpal | MobyTurbo, why make my own when i have found my own .deb |
| 07:42.05 | MobyTurbo | kerpal: sorry, I typed before I saw that. |
| 07:42.12 | sanxiyn | checkinstall rocks. |
| 07:42.13 | kerpal | MobyTurbo: its cool. |
| 07:42.41 | kerpal | never have used checkinstall, i heard by rumour it made broken packages.. where are the weakenesses within checkinstall? |
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| 07:43.07 | kerpal | dependecies? |
| 07:43.17 | MobyTurbo | kerpal: old versions of checkinstall had occasional bugs, now it's very good |
| 07:43.21 | jaaah | mutek: there's a discussion of various version control systems on one of the gcc lists, and a subversion (a version control system) is making kinda unfounded claims about arch (another version control system) |
| 07:43.30 | sanxiyn | kerpal: Checkinstall doesn't specify dependencies at all, if you don't provide one. |
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| 07:44.00 | Unfrgiven | what program shows me a mapping of which process has which tcp/udp port open? |
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| 07:44.15 | zimnyx | how can i check if two binary files are the same? |
| 07:44.17 | maher | Unfrgiven: netstat |
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| 07:44.22 | maher | zimnyx: diff |
| 07:44.24 | mutek | jaaah: ahhh - ta! |
| 07:44.28 | zimnyx | thx |
| 07:44.33 | Unfrgiven | maher: how do i get it to list the process that has the port open? |
