| 00:00.02 | thomas_adam | o_O |
| 00:00.38 | directhex | we will chroot them on the beaches! |
| 00:01.08 | patterson | the other use might be..a child in the same house |
| 00:01.28 | patterson | r |
| 00:01.59 | RichiH | KrOnOs[PKA]: tcsetattr is right when he says that what you want to do is basically stupid. the only feasible way that would not be complete bollocks is putting them into a chroot |
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| 00:02.22 | directhex | how many children a) can cause damage without being root, or more damage than a giraffe in the dvd drive b) use a text console to do things c) would collapse on the floor twitching if they were able to do things that they may well not wish to do such as ls /usr/bin |
| 00:02.36 | RichiH | tcsetattr: and no need for that bad attitude, bow is there? we all started at some point and may have gotten something wrong |
| 00:02.46 | tcsetattr | and if you want the user's account to be usable, you have to remount or relink or copy so much stuff under the chroot, that you might as well not have done it in the first place. |
| 00:02.49 | patterson | just guessing. i never locked my kid out of anthing |
| 00:02.51 | patterson | y |
| 00:03.15 | RichiH | tcsetattr: you can install a new debian in the chroot, for example |
| 00:03.31 | thomas_adam | rofl at mwilson's "picture" on debstats. |
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| 00:03.54 | mickeyks | do i need to put link called /vmlinuz in boot? because my lilo.conf says image=/vmlinuz, and there is no such file in /boot |
| 00:04.13 | goodell | thomas_adam: what is debstats? |
| 00:04.19 | thomas_adam | !debstats |
| 00:04.19 | dpkg | hmm... debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 00:04.33 | SilentNight | mickeyks, its in the /, actually |
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| 00:05.07 | mickeyks | SilentNight: oh, there it is. |
| 00:05.09 | tcsetattr | well, I'm very saddened by the disappearance of the unix multi-user experience. When we all used to finger, and write(1), and install programs into ~/bin, and put other people's ~/bin in your PATH to run their cool programs... |
| 00:05.16 | sjq | who |
| 00:05.23 | tcsetattr | so these "jump to chroot without understanding anything" people piss me off. |
| 00:06.10 | SilentNight | tcsetattr, get a valium |
| 00:06.12 | tcsetattr | we're all too isolated now |
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| 00:08.20 | mickeyks | how do you show what file a link is linked to? |
| 00:08.28 | directhex | ls -l |
| 00:08.37 | mickeyks | thanks |
| 00:08.39 | tcsetattr | mickeyks, ls -l shows symlink targes. For hard links, you have to do an inode search |
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| 00:08.52 | tcsetattr | s/targes/targets |
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| 00:09.34 | dan2 | is there anyway to identify what filesystem a drive is |
| 00:09.35 | mwilson | grrr, some of the most useful stuff, never gets packaged. |
| 00:09.40 | mwilson | http://www.jamiehillman.co.uk/ccal/instructions |
| 00:09.54 | SuperLag | Do you need to use Testing/Unstable in order to have a 2.6 kernel work properly? or can you use a 2.6 kernel on Woody? I seem to remember seeing an article that this was tricky. |
| 00:09.57 | tcsetattr | dan2, if it's moutned, just type mount. otherwise try cat/dev/hdxy | file - |
| 00:09.57 | brunne1 | would it be possible to set something up so that when an ethernet cable is inserted into my laptop, a DHCP client is triggered automatically? |
| 00:10.03 | SuperLag | mwilson: howdy |
| 00:10.11 | mwilson | g'day, sir |
| 00:10.18 | dan2 | tcsetattr: just says data |
| 00:10.20 | dan2 | bah |
| 00:10.49 | mwilson | brunne1: Just let the client run, it sleeps. |
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| 00:11.00 | brunne1 | oh cool |
| 00:11.00 | brunne1 | thanks |
| 00:11.07 | brunne1 | mwilson: which client is this? |
| 00:11.17 | tcsetattr | dan2, what did you do, steal a hard drive and want to know what you've got? |
| 00:11.19 | mwilson | brunne1: Whichever one you're using. |
| 00:11.20 | mickeyks | SuSmwilson: that looks cool |
| 00:11.23 | brunne1 | oh, ok |
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| 00:11.41 | mickeyks | er |
| 00:11.44 | mwilson | mickeyks: Yeah, I like it. |
| 00:11.50 | dan2 | tcsetattr: its my mp3 players mmc card, it eats my batteries if I transfer via it and it is kinda borked on linux atm |
| 00:11.56 | mickeyks | mwilson: are you going to package it? |
| 00:11.58 | mickeyks | :) |
| 00:12.00 | dan2 | tcsetattr: so I pulled out my all in one imagemate :) |
| 00:12.29 | tcsetattr | if you imaged a card, is it possible you got a partition table as part of the image? |
| 00:12.40 | dan2 | tcsetattr: hmm |
| 00:12.43 | directhex | dan2, FAT16, i should expect, for an mp3 player MMC card |
| 00:12.44 | dan2 | tcsetattr: that could be true |
| 00:13.00 | dan2 | tcsetattr: however, I suspected the udev to break it into drives |
| 00:13.06 | mwilson | mickeyks: Me? I'm no DD. They wouldn't want me. :) |
| 00:13.27 | mwilson | mickeyks: I'm brash and annoying and I never hesitate to tell people what I think of them. |
| 00:13.36 | mickeyks | mwilson: huh, i always figured you were |
| 00:13.45 | mickeyks | mwilson: are those characteristics really so un-DD? |
| 00:13.58 | mwilson | mickeyks: Depends on who you use them on. :) |
| 00:13.59 | thomas_adam | mwilson: I'd have said you're a personification of debian. |
| 00:14.15 | directhex | thomas_adam, he forgot "elitist" though |
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| 00:14.39 | mwilson | directhex: I didn't forget it... I'm not elitist. |
| 00:14.50 | tcsetattr | if you did get a partition table in an image, I have no idea how you'd get it to show up as a device |
| 00:14.59 | directhex | thomas_adam, see? no way he's the personification of debian |
| 00:15.13 | mwilson | directhex: I have zero problem with anyone or everyone knowing what I know. |
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| 00:15.56 | tcsetattr | does the loopback block device support partitions? |
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| 00:16.43 | tcsetattr | oh well, screw that. Just chop the head off the file, one byte at a time, until it looks like a FAT fs |
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| 00:17.41 | thomas_adam | tcsetattr: Then scatter it in pieces,,, |
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| 00:18.10 | mwilson | mickeyks: Debian doesn't have to worry about me... I have no desire to be a DD. |
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| 00:18.28 | mwilson | mickeyks: I contribute by filing bugs. |
| 00:18.35 | mickeyks | mwilson: do you write patches? |
| 00:18.44 | mwilson | mickeyks: Occasionally. |
| 00:18.47 | tcsetattr | seriously, if there's a FAT filesystem in the somewhere, you can just chop off all the junk that comes before it |
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| 00:19.31 | BLITS | Morning guys/girls... I have a problem with an ADSL connection to my slack box. I'm pinging the box from offisite, and it jumps between a 90ms response time and a 5000ms response time every minute or so. I'd like to do a TCPdump on the system, but I'm logged into it through shell. How can I run tcpdump and have it only display traffic other than ssh? |
| 00:19.46 | MALAKY | sde /j #debianitas |
| 00:19.53 | tcsetattr | `tcpdump not port 22' |
| 00:19.55 | MALAKY | :S |
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| 00:19.59 | BLITS | thanks |
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| 00:20.03 | MALAKY | sorry |
| 00:20.09 | BLITS | that was easy... :-) |
| 00:20.28 | tcsetattr | the command `tcpdump not port 22' is usually preceded by `shit, what's all this!' which is precede by `tcpdump' |
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| 00:20.44 | skel | anyone know how to do like a 'last' with syslog-ng & wtmp? |
| 00:20.50 | element | odd, this is the first time i've rebooted my debian system, and i'm getting a SIOCSIFADDR: no such device error |
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| 00:21.10 | tcsetattr | skel, `last' normally works on wtmp. And has nothing to do with syslog. What's the real question? |
| 00:21.23 | tcsetattr | element, sounds like you didn't get your ethernet driver in /etc/modules |
| 00:21.29 | skel | tcsetattr: I want to get wtmp entries in syslog |
| 00:21.42 | BLITS | tcpdump not port 22 or 222? |
| 00:21.54 | element | tcsetattr: suggestion on how i go about doing that now that I restarted my system allready? because i seem to have forgotten that. :( |
| 00:22.02 | tcsetattr | element, run modconf |
| 00:22.26 | element | modconf does not seem to be installed |
| 00:22.42 | element | or do i run that off the install cd? |
| 00:22.59 | mwilson | mickeyks: All this needs is alarms and it'd be perfect. |
| 00:23.02 | skel | tcsetattr: is that a little more clear for you? |
| 00:23.13 | tcsetattr | modconf is in /usr/sbin/. Check your PATH |
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| 00:23.40 | tcsetattr | skel, I sort of get it. You want to run last every time wtmp changes, and copy the most recent line to syslog. Sounds crazy. :) |
| 00:23.53 | BLITS | tcsetattr: how do I make it ignore both ports 22 and 222? |
| 00:24.12 | tcsetattr | `tcpdump not port 22 and not port 22' would be valid.. but I have no idea what port 222 would be used for |
| 00:24.14 | smacnay | Hi, I am running Mozilla in Debian and see a lot of small square boxes instead of text. |
| 00:24.17 | smacnay | the iso-8859-1 western font is selected. |
| 00:24.19 | smacnay | Any reason for this? xfont server is not on this machine. is that a possible issue? |
| 00:24.25 | tcsetattr | I mean `tcpdump not port 22 and not port 222' |
| 00:24.39 | skel | tcsetattr: yeah, kinda irritating.. I guess I could just do a keyword and get the info I need from a successful 'auth' |
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| 00:24.53 | tcsetattr | skel, what's wrong with using `last' when you need that information? |
| 00:25.33 | element | tcsetattr: not there. nor when i do a 'locate modconf' it doesn't find it. |
| 00:25.37 | tcsetattr | in other words... last works. Why mess with it by trying to convert it to syslog? |
| 00:25.40 | MetalX | Hi there, I just installed debian-sarge and I'm using gnome but when I open any program it just crash.. can help me? |
| 00:25.42 | tcsetattr | element, are you actually running Debian? |
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| 00:25.57 | skel | tcsetattr: i'm building a remote syslog box so when the system in question goes down.. I don't have to go across the data-center to troubleshoot if it was a reboot that was issued by the customer.. |
| 00:26.02 | element | tcsetattr: i installed it off the sarge netinstall. |
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| 00:26.50 | tcsetattr | oh, _remote_ last-ing. and you want the shutdown records too! that sounds hard |
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| 00:27.12 | element | eh? |
| 00:27.14 | tcsetattr | element, I assume from the error message that you have no network connection from the Debian box |
| 00:27.23 | skel | tcsetattr: tricky indeed. |
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| 00:27.55 | element | i'm still in the black about how to get my system back on the network though |
| 00:27.57 | quasiben | is faad2-xmms in the debian package list...er uh, i don't know the name for it...but what should i add to my sources.list file ? |
| 00:28.06 | romulo | can someone give me any link to a repository that i can find wine pre compiled package with opengl built in? |
| 00:28.07 | tcsetattr | skel, you could replace /sbin/shutdown with a wrapper that calls logger(1) |
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| 00:28.19 | sander_ | what do I need to install to get the command "dig".. to check who owns a given host? |
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| 00:28.33 | element | tcsetattr: so any ideas how I Can go about doing this? |
| 00:28.34 | skel | tcsetattr: ah! good idea =] ty |
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| 00:28.46 | tcsetattr | element, you can always edit /etc/modules manually. |
| 00:29.00 | element | and add what to it? |
| 00:29.11 | tcsetattr | sander_, that would be dnsutils. But try dnstracer... it's even better than dig |
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| 00:29.13 | JoePenguin | sander_: you can look up that info at http://packages.debian.org |
| 00:29.43 | element | tcsetattr: just add eth0 to it, or what? |
| 00:29.46 | tcsetattr | element, add the network driver. The same one you used during the install. |
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| 00:29.56 | element | tcsetattr: it never asked me for one |
| 00:30.10 | bitvector | anyone remember the company that was just obviously using xvid's code with no credit/etc in their commerical software |
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| 00:31.00 | mtrisk | divx? |
| 00:31.03 | manoka | n8 |
| 00:31.10 | mtrisk | hey divx is xvid backwards |
| 00:31.18 | mtrisk | you never know... |
| 00:31.22 | tcsetattr | element, you must have done something weird. you didn't compile a kernel did you? |
| 00:31.22 | element | mtrisk: i wonder how they got that idea :) |
| 00:31.31 | mtrisk | :) |
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| 00:31.53 | MetalX | overflow guat ar yu duin? |
| 00:32.13 | element | tcsetattr: *hides* i don't recall it ever asking me to. I had set some options, but never officially did a kernel compile. I was running off 2.4.22 i think it was. |
| 00:32.13 | mwilson | grrr, I don't like the colors it uses, but I don't grok python's curses interface |
| 00:32.31 | tcsetattr | element, what kind of ethernet card is it? |
| 00:32.41 | bitvector | mtrisk: heh , prob |
| 00:33.20 | element | tcsetattr: etherfast linksys. LX100 i believe is the model # |
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| 00:33.40 | romulo | how i can compile support to glXCreateContext on my NVIDIA card? |
| 00:33.49 | mtrisk | install an ATI card |
| 00:34.58 | element | tcsetattr: wow. I added 'tulip' to modules and it seems to have added my eth0 in. |
| 00:35.02 | mwilson | <sigh> One more thing I need to learn. |
| 00:35.11 | element | tcsetattr: the system seems to be the network now. |
| 00:35.34 | jbr | bitvector: Sigma Designs: http://www.fact-index.com/x/xv/xvid.html |
| 00:35.38 | mdh | element: the network is the computer |
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| 00:35.46 | element | tcsetattr: i'm getting a weird error of 'spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7.' anything i should be worried about with that? |
| 00:35.46 | overflow | MetalX, hahaha |
| 00:35.53 | mdh | mwilson: it's a never-ending battle |
| 00:36.01 | tcsetattr | I get those too, doesn't seem to be harmful |
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| 00:36.12 | element | tcsetattr: oh ok cool. thanks |
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| 00:36.45 | bitvector | jbr: thanks man ;] |
| 00:37.12 | abrotman | !spurious 8259a interrupt |
| 00:37.12 | dpkg | from memory, spurious 8259a interrupt is told of over on Intel's site |
| 00:37.33 | tcsetattr | oh "on Intel's site" that really narrows it down |
| 00:37.43 | abrotman | !useless factoid |
| 00:37.44 | dpkg | useless factoid is probably Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
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| 00:38.10 | Eclipser | yay, let's create tons of useless factoids |
| 00:38.15 | mtrisk | noooo |
| 00:38.17 | element | tcsetattr: do you have any suggestion of a tutorial or how i would go about upgrading my kernel, because i'm still on 2.4.25...or should i just keep it as 2.4.25 if there's nothing wrong with it? |
| 00:38.22 | element | root |
| 00:38.42 | abrotman | element: nice password :) |
| 00:38.56 | element | heh, sure. |
| 00:38.58 | mickeyks | i added a menu option in lilo, and it balked that "'/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure." |
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| 00:39.00 | element | too bad i didn't type it ;) |
| 00:39.12 | mickeyks | " Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hda' |
| 00:39.35 | mickeyks | "...what's up with that? i hardly changed anything, was just trying to add a menu option to boot the old kernel |
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| 00:39.51 | abrotman | !lun |
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| 00:40.14 | Eclipser | I'm looking forward for the day when one can change active window on eye focus |
| 00:40.21 | Eclipser | s/on/with/ |
| 00:40.26 | mwilson | Damn, the things you find reading mutt-users |
| 00:40.28 | mwilson | http://www.tpc.int/ |
| 00:40.48 | quasiben | what should I add to my sources.list file to download faad2-xmms ? |
| 00:40.50 | mdh | Eclipser: I'm glad computers aren't injecting radiation into my retina yet in order to do that |
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| 00:41.03 | Eclipser | mdh, I wouldn't care :) |
| 00:41.04 | mickeyks | mwilson: can you give me a hint about my lilo situation? |
| 00:41.17 | abrotman | use grub? |
| 00:41.28 | Eclipser | living a long life is something I'm not looking forward to |
| 00:41.30 | mtrisk | Eclipser: they have those quadrapaledgric pointers that move with the user's eye movement, so with the right settings, it's already here |
| 00:41.43 | mickeyks | i could use grub, but that would be lame, because it would be abandoning what is probably not a complicated problem |
| 00:41.51 | Eclipser | mtrisk, o.O |
| 00:41.53 | abrotman | Eclipser: why wouldn't you want to live a long life? |
| 00:41.54 | mwilson | mickeyks: Sorry, I was catching up on mail. What lilo situation? |
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| 00:42.03 | Eclipser | abrotman, because it generally sucks |
| 00:42.16 | abrotman | Eclipser: get a pet .. or a bot :) |
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| 00:42.23 | mtrisk | Eclipser: or get laid |
| 00:42.25 | Eclipser | and I wish mankind would die faster too |
| 00:42.55 | mickeyks | mwilson: i tried to add a menu option to boot from the old kernel, and when i ran lilo, it said that '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 00:43.06 | mtrisk | Eclipser: i find it improves my outlook on life |
| 00:43.13 | mickeyks | mwilson: and also: Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hda' |
| 00:43.34 | mwilson | mickeyks: Ouch. That again. |
| 00:43.43 | mwilson | mickeyks: What lilo do you have installed? |
| 00:43.46 | mickeyks | mwilson: again? |
| 00:44.02 | Eclipser | mtrisk, possibly, but I've already decided not to interract with people in real life without a proper reason, like getting new parts for computers, buying food and that kind of stuff |
| 00:44.02 | mwilson | mickeyks: lilo and devfs breakage. |
| 00:44.12 | mickeyks | mwilson: 22.5.9 is my lilo version |
| 00:44.29 | mdh | mickeyks: apt-get install grub |
| 00:44.29 | mwilson | Wow, you have a higher one than *I* do on my Sarge box. |
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| 00:44.55 | mwilson | mickeyks: You're not using devfs/udev, are you? |
| 00:45.07 | mickeyks | but...i already told the kernel install script thta i was using lilo and now i'll have to change it |
| 00:45.27 | mickeyks | mwilson: if i am, i'm not aware of it...i'll look for the package |
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| 00:46.34 | quasiben | has anyone successfully played aac encoded files wth xmms ? |
| 00:46.38 | angeles | is it possible to get alsa modules and configure an emu10k1 (sblive 5.1) by just apt-get'ting ? |
| 00:46.43 | mickeyks | mwilson: i have neither devfsd nor udev installed |
| 00:46.45 | mwilson | mickeyks: What's in /proc/partitions that you don't have in /dev ? |
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| 00:47.11 | mwilson | Ah, no wonder... I have lilo on hold on iproute |
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| 00:49.02 | mickeyks | mwilson: i'm looking at both directories, they look like appleas and organes |
| 00:49.08 | mickeyks | oranges |
| 00:49.14 | Eclipser | how boring... |
| 00:49.34 | mickeyks | there are four items in /proc/partitions and i don't see anything like them in /dev |
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| 00:50.02 | mwilson | mickeyks: Look at the 4th column of /proc/partitions, those are device names. |
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| 00:50.39 | tcsetattr | which name is in /proc/partitions? the short ones (hda1, hda2, ...) or the long ones (devfs-style /dev/ide0/...) |
| 00:52.00 | mickeyks | tcsetattr: er, the long ones |
| 00:52.04 | mwilson | Ouch. |
| 00:52.07 | mwilson | How did that happen? |
| 00:52.25 | tcsetattr | and in /dev you only have the short ones? |
| 00:52.27 | mwilson | Well, now we know why lilo is confused. |
| 00:52.40 | tcsetattr | maybe he has devfs compiled into the kernel but not mounted. |
| 00:52.42 | mickeyks | mwilson: all the names in /proc/partitions start with ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0, and i don't see anything like any of those words in /dev |
| 00:52.44 | mwilson | Is your new kernel running, or the old one? |
| 00:52.49 | mickeyks | the old one |
| 00:52.59 | mwilson | Are you *sure*? |
| 00:52.59 | mickeyks | i haven't rebooted yet...that's why i'm doing this. |
| 00:53.11 | mickeyks | wanted to make a lilo menu just in case, so i could select the old kernel at boot time |
| 00:53.38 | mickeyks | and after changing lilo.conf and running lilo, i got the errors described earlier |
| 00:53.40 | mwilson | mickeyks: You're still running the Woody install kernel, then, or have you replaced it with something else? |
| 00:53.55 | mwilson | mickeyks: 'Cause the kernel you're running NOW sure sounds like a devfs-enabled one. |
| 00:54.22 | mickeyks | um, it's a 2.4 debian binary for k-6 |
| 00:54.36 | mickeyks | 2.4.16-k6 |
| 00:54.49 | mwilson | mickeyks: Hm, it's config should be in /boot |
| 00:55.01 | mwilson | waitaminit... 2.4.*16* ?? |
| 00:55.04 | abrotman | is there a k6 image? |
| 00:55.06 | mwilson | Not 18? |
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| 00:55.15 | jdhutchin1 | I'm running sarge with a 2.6.4 kernel (from the kernel-image package), and I had installed udev with apt-get. When I do an apt-get dist-upgrade, it wants to remove udev. I looked, but can't see anything that it conflicts with. Does anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:55.17 | mwilson | Where'd Woody get a 2.4.16 kernel? |
| 00:55.27 | abrotman | mwilson: there are some there |
| 00:55.42 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.4.16-m68k |
| 00:55.46 | mdh | mwilson: 2 revisions before it got 2.4.18? |
| 00:55.46 | abrotman | !info kernel-image-2.4.16-m68k woody |
| 00:55.48 | mickeyks | mwilson: i may have installed this one in sarge |
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| 00:56.40 | Beschwa | im trying to compile kernel 2.6.6 but it keeps saying "You must have at least 1 I/O scheduler selected" How do I fix it? |
| 00:56.42 | mickeyks | the howto i was following instructed me to install a debian binary so that i could get its configuration and have an easier time |
| 00:56.55 | abrotman | mwilson: i think theres more than one |
| 00:57.01 | abrotman | i just can't remember which arches |
| 00:57.09 | mickeyks | although i ended up electing not to use its .config, and just make my own |
| 00:57.19 | heretik | Beschwa: select an I/O scheduler selected ;) |
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| 00:58.21 | mwilson | mickeyks: Show us uname -a |
| 00:58.34 | mickeyks | corinthian:/proc# uname -a |
| 00:58.34 | mickeyks | Linux corinthian 2.4.16-k6 #1 Wed Nov 28 10:34:08 EST 2001 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 00:58.47 | mdh | Beschwa: sounds like you may be using an old config and didn't do "make oldconfig" |
| 00:58.58 | mickeyks | hrm. gotta set that date/time. :) |
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| 00:59.26 | mwilson | Yes, that kernel-image package has CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y |
| 00:59.32 | mwilson | No wonder you're having a problem. |
| 00:59.45 | mickeyks | why, what does that mean? |
| 00:59.58 | mwilson | That's where the whacko device names came from. |
| 01:00.17 | mwilson | tcsetattr: Good catch. :) |
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| 01:00.55 | tcsetattr | but that's not unusual... the 2.4.18-1-686 and 2.4.18-bf2.4 images also have CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y |
| 01:01.14 | mickeyks | so...somehow this setting on the old kernel conflicts with my lilo.conf? |
| 01:01.15 | tcsetattr | something extra weird had to happen for it to show up in /proc/partitions |
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| 01:01.17 | mwilson | Why'd it toggle the partition names, though? |
| 01:01.55 | mdh | is it also set to mount devfs at boot? |
| 01:01.57 | acw | alguem sabe como instalo o modulo de rede realtek 8129 |
| 01:02.01 | Eclipser | lucky I've never used apt kernels :) |
| 01:02.02 | mickeyks | Reading boot sector from /dev/hda1 |
| 01:02.02 | mickeyks | Warning: '/proc/partitions' does not match '/dev' directory structure. |
| 01:02.08 | mdh | that's one of the related devfs kernel options |
| 01:02.15 | mickeyks | Name change: '/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc' -> '/dev/hda' |
| 01:02.15 | mickeyks | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.20 | mwilson | mickeyks: Is devfs mounted? |
| 01:03.10 | acw | este modulo no se encontra no kernel 2.4.18 |
| 01:03.18 | Justin | !+spanish |
| 01:03.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 01:03.23 | Eclipser | english |
| 01:03.34 | mickeyks | mwilson: i'm not sure how to tell. i don't have devfsd installed... |
| 01:03.45 | mwilson | mickeyks: # mount |
| 01:03.46 | debian | !english |
| 01:03.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, english is a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or is one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world |
| 01:03.55 | mwilson | mickeyks: Look for it there. |
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| 01:04.17 | tcsetattr | acw, bf2.4? 8139 no es modulo! |
| 01:04.18 | mickeyks | milson: # mount returns nothing |
| 01:04.24 | mwilson | mickeyks: Also, is lilo merely spitting warnings, or is it actually refusing to do anything? |
| 01:04.36 | acw | 8129 |
| 01:04.51 | tcsetattr | 8129? modprobe ne2k-pci |
| 01:04.52 | mwilson | mickeyks: You and I have been doing this for days, and NOW you forget that '#' is root, and '$' is user? ^_^ |
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| 01:05.05 | acw | nao tem o modulo ne2k-pci |
| 01:05.21 | quasiben_ | has anyone been succesful with using faad2 and xmms |
| 01:05.21 | mickeyks | mwilson: oh. i didn't forget, just didn't realize that's what you mean, sorry |
| 01:05.28 | mwilson | <chuckle> |
| 01:05.39 | mickeyks | mwilson: devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 01:05.42 | mickeyks | is that it? |
| 01:05.49 | mwilson | No, that's pty support. |
| 01:05.50 | mickeyks | that's the closest thing there |
| 01:06.05 | mickeyks | then there's tempfs, proc, and /dev/hda1 |
| 01:06.11 | mickeyks | that's it |
| 01:06.18 | mwilson | Is lilo refusing to do the operation, or is it just spitting warnings? |
| 01:06.26 | acw | existe algum lugar onde eu possa baixar o modulo ne2k-pci.o |
| 01:06.56 | mickeyks | mwilson: it isn't explicitly saying that it refuses to do the operation. |
| 01:07.19 | tcsetattr | !portuguese |
| 01:07.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:07.24 | mickeyks | mwilson: the lines it spits out begin with "warning" or "name change" |
| 01:07.32 | mwilson | If it were doing it, it would have echoed your two entries. |
| 01:07.44 | mickeyks | it didn't do that |
| 01:08.03 | mwilson | Added 2.6.4 |
| 01:08.03 | mwilson | Added 2.6.5 * |
| 01:08.06 | mickeyks | wait |
| 01:08.12 | mwilson | Like that. The one with the asterisk is the default one. |
| 01:08.23 | quasiben_ | is there a debian package for faad2-xmms ? |
| 01:08.34 | quasiben_ | i don't have the correct sources.list |
| 01:08.39 | mickeyks | i just fixed something else (I was using numbers in the menu options) and now it did do the "added" thing |
| 01:08.52 | mwilson | good |
| 01:08.54 | mickeyks | still giving the warnings though |
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| 01:09.16 | mwilson | You didn't build devfs into your new kernel, right? |
| 01:09.33 | mickeyks | i don't think so |
| 01:09.38 | mickeyks | no reason i would have |
| 01:09.50 | tcsetattr | it'll probably be OK in spite of the name change warnings |
| 01:10.00 | mwilson | # grep DEVFS_FS /usr/src/linux/.config |
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| 01:10.23 | mickeyks | mwilson: nope |
| 01:10.23 | mwilson | rei $ grep DEVFS_FS /usr/src/linux/.config |
| 01:10.23 | mwilson | # CONFIG_DEVFS_FS is not set |
| 01:10.26 | mwilson | Like so. :) |
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| 01:10.39 | mickeyks | grep: /usr/src/linux/.config: No such file or directory |
| 01:10.51 | mickeyks | shit |
| 01:10.52 | mwilson | mickeyks: Well, wherever your source tree actually is. :) |
| 01:10.55 | mickeyks | that can't be right |
| 01:11.06 | mickeyks | that IS where it is damnit |
| 01:11.17 | mickeyks | well |
| 01:11.18 | abrotman | do the debian 2.6 kernels used that damned preempt patch? |
| 01:11.20 | mickeyks | i thought it was |
| 01:11.33 | mickeyks | ohhh...i removed the link |
| 01:11.35 | mwilson | abrotman: Uh, pre-empt is part of 2.6 mainline. |
| 01:11.36 | mickeyks | whew |
| 01:11.42 | abrotman | mwilson: but you can leave it out |
| 01:11.52 | abrotman | mwilson: its an option |
| 01:12.20 | mwilson | mickeyks: Ok, you built a kernel-image for the new kernel, right? |
| 01:12.21 | tcsetattr | so repeat your question with s/patch/option/ |
| 01:12.31 | tcsetattr | it'll be pedantically-correct |
| 01:12.39 | mickeyks | mwilson: yeah. that grep returns nothing. |
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| 01:12.42 | abrotman | tcsetattr: because it was a patch for 2.4 |
| 01:12.45 | abrotman | and now its part of the kernel |
| 01:12.57 | mwilson | Returns nothing, or returns not-set? |
| 01:13.01 | mickeyks | i didn't select pre-empt |
| 01:13.08 | tcsetattr | yeah and devfs was once "that damn patch" too |
| 01:13.13 | abrotman | mickeyks: im not suggesting you do |
| 01:13.16 | mickeyks | corinthian:/usr/src# grep DEVFS_FS /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.6/.config |
| 01:13.19 | abrotman | im just asking in gerneal |
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| 01:13.22 | mickeyks | corinthian:/usr/src# |
| 01:13.23 | mwilson | mickeyks: You'll probably want it at some point. |
| 01:13.34 | mickeyks | mwilson: nothing |
| 01:13.37 | abrotman | want what? |
| 01:13.57 | mwilson | mickeyks: Anyway, make sure you have a /lib/modules/2.6.6 directory where it's supposed to be, make sure you have a rescue disc handy, and try it out. :) |
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| 01:14.19 | mwilson | mickeyks: Gonna have to do that sooner or later. :) |
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| 01:14.26 | mickeyks | yeah |
| 01:14.35 | mickeyks | i do have the lib/modules/2.6.6 directory |
| 01:14.38 | mickeyks | ok |
| 01:14.57 | mwilson | He'll be fine. |
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| 01:15.23 | abrotman | mwilson: or he'll come back with a big stick :) |
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| 01:16.51 | mwilson | Nah, if he could get through the mess that was originally his Sarge dist-upgrade, he'll work it out. |
| 01:17.17 | mephisto2nd | in which starting script should i add a mount --bind command ? |
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| 01:18.30 | cl24 | hi guys, i've just installed a slave to my debian, how can i use it ? fdisk ? |
| 01:19.05 | abrotman | cl24: can you get me a slave? |
| 01:19.11 | tcsetattr | fdisk, mke2fs, edit /etc/fstab |
| 01:19.34 | cl24 | i've tried fdisk, it give me an error |
| 01:19.37 | mtrisk | cl24: fdisk /hdb1 |
| 01:19.41 | cl24 | k |
| 01:19.43 | mtrisk | or hdxxx |
| 01:19.44 | abrotman | cl24: and the error is? |
| 01:19.53 | abrotman | mtrisk: you dont even know which disk it is |
| 01:19.56 | cl24 | that one |
| 01:19.56 | cl24 | debian:~# fdisk hdb |
| 01:19.56 | cl24 | Unable to open hdb |
| 01:19.56 | cl24 | debian:~# |
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| 01:19.57 | abrotman | and thats wrong |
| 01:20.06 | mtrisk | /dev/hdb1 |
| 01:20.10 | mtrisk | or hdwhatever |
| 01:20.13 | mtrisk | my bad |
| 01:20.15 | mtrisk | :( |
| 01:20.15 | abrotman | cl24: fdisk /dev/hdb |
| 01:20.28 | cl24 | debian:~# fdisk /hdb1 |
| 01:20.28 | cl24 | Unable to open /hdb1 |
| 01:20.28 | cl24 | debian:~# |
| 01:20.33 | abrotman | cl24: fdisk /dev/hdb |
| 01:20.38 | cl24 | thx |
| 01:20.39 | abrotman | assuming its the second hdd |
| 01:21.03 | abrotman | err .. second drive on the first controller |
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| 01:21.29 | abrotman | mickeyks: yay? |
| 01:21.34 | mickeyks | wounded but alive |
| 01:21.35 | mickeyks | well |
| 01:21.37 | mwilson | mickeyks: Good? Bad? |
| 01:21.41 | abrotman | ugly? |
| 01:21.51 | abrotman | cl24: did that work? |
| 01:21.53 | mickeyks | i got me a good old fashioned "LI" freezup when i booted |
| 01:21.57 | abrotman | !li |
| 01:21.57 | mwilson | ow |
| 01:21.58 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large. There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 01:22.14 | mwilson | Too large? How old is THAT factoid? |
| 01:22.24 | mwilson | It means lilo couldn't load the second-stage loader. |
| 01:22.25 | abrotman | !factinfo li |
| 01:22.25 | dpkg | li -- last modified at Sun May 4 09:04:32 2003 by hoxu!hoxu@dsl-jklgw3i1c.dial.inet.fi; it has been requested 98 times, last by abrotman, 28s ago. |
| 01:22.29 | mickeyks | hrm..well, but, i did not have lba32 in lilo.conf |
| 01:22.34 | mwilson | Ah |
| 01:22.48 | mickeyks | i thought about it, read man lilo.conf, it didn't seem necessary |
| 01:22.48 | mwilson | So, what kernel are you on NOW? |
| 01:23.02 | mickeyks | well, i used my install CD as a rescue disk, so i'm on 2.2 |
| 01:23.06 | cl24 | now my fdisk is done, what i've to do ? |
| 01:23.07 | mickeyks | :) |
| 01:23.09 | mwilson | It's not necessary if lilo can figure out on its own that it's needed. Sometimes it can, sometimes it can't. |
| 01:23.14 | cl24 | abrotman: yes |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | cl24: make the filesystem |
| 01:23.32 | tcsetattr | cl24, mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1 |
| 01:23.33 | abrotman | and i dont know which you are going to use |
| 01:23.36 | mickeyks | mwilson: you think i should just try that one fix, and reboot? |
| 01:23.43 | abrotman | tcsetattr: what if he doesn't want ext3? |
| 01:23.45 | mwilson | You need to re-run lilo. |
| 01:23.50 | mickeyks | of course |
| 01:23.52 | mwilson | I'm noodlling how you can. |
| 01:23.56 | tcsetattr | everybody wants ext3 :) |
| 01:23.56 | mickeyks | k |
| 01:24.07 | abrotman | cl24: which filesystem do you want? |
| 01:24.09 | mwilson | Hm, a Woody boot disc... |
| 01:24.20 | cl24 | abrotman: i've ran the command ya just give me |
| 01:24.25 | mwilson | 2.2 kernel bad, we want 2.4 |
| 01:24.25 | abrotman | it wasn't me |
| 01:24.31 | abrotman | cl24: thats if you want ext3 |
| 01:24.40 | abrotman | and how big is this drive? |
| 01:24.40 | cl24 | i dont know the difference between ext2 or ext3 or einswein or something like taht |
| 01:24.44 | cl24 | 40G |
| 01:24.46 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:24.52 | mwilson | Normally you'd just mount the old partition, chroot, then re-run lilo. |
| 01:24.52 | abrotman | ext3 is ext2 with journaling |
| 01:25.01 | cl24 | Creating journal (8192 blocks): done |
| 01:25.01 | cl24 | Writing superblocks and filesystem accounting information: done |
| 01:25.01 | cl24 | This filesystem will be automatically checked every 23 mounts or |
| 01:25.01 | cl24 | 180 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override. |
| 01:25.01 | cl24 | debian:~# |
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| 01:25.05 | mickeyks | mwilson: why can't we do that now? |
| 01:25.11 | mwilson | 'cept I *think* you're going to get a mismatch on libc6 |
| 01:25.18 | abrotman | sunny256: i use it on all my boxes .. never had an issue |
| 01:25.20 | mwilson | Unless lilo is staticly compiled. |
| 01:25.21 | mickeyks | mwilson: i mean, i did mount the root filesystem |
| 01:25.25 | abrotman | cl24: stop flooding :) |
| 01:25.32 | cl24 | sorry |
| 01:25.34 | tcsetattr | that's your second flood-kick in 5 minutes. Going for a record? |
| 01:25.55 | dan2 | whats everybodies reccomended mp3 cd player |
| 01:25.59 | mwilson | Ahhh, lilo is statically linked. |
| 01:26.04 | cl24 | and now i just need to mount it ? |
| 01:26.06 | mwilson | Should have expected that it would be. |
| 01:26.08 | abrotman | xmms,zinf? |
| 01:26.12 | mickeyks | is that good? |
| 01:26.23 | abrotman | dan2: actually .. corner-xmms gdesklet is kind of cool |
| 01:26.40 | mwilson | Yes, because you're running Woody at the moment, so you're running Woody's libc6. As soon as you chroot, you won't have access to it. |
| 01:26.43 | abrotman | cl24: you need to setup fstab also |
| 01:26.49 | sunny256 | abrotman: Have you used it for long? With some high activity? |
| 01:26.56 | abrotman | sunny256: servers at work |
| 01:26.57 | cl24 | debian:~# |
| 01:27.01 | dan2 | abrotman: I said mp3 cd player |
| 01:27.08 | dan2 | abrotman: not a software piece of shit |
| 01:27.09 | cl24 | ./dev/hdb2: Not enough space to build proposed filesystem while setting up superblock |
| 01:27.11 | dan2 | :( |
| 01:27.11 | abrotman | dan2: i thought you meant a cd of mp3s :) |
| 01:27.14 | mwilson | That's fine, it's already in RAM, but if lilo was dynamically linked, it'd try to use the Woody one and fail. |
| 01:27.20 | tcsetattr | mwilson, when he chroots to his hard drive, he's using the stuff from /lib on his hard drive too. static linking not necessary. |
| 01:27.22 | cl24 | how can i make filesystem on my hdb2 ? |
| 01:27.25 | abrotman | cl24: how many partitions did you make? |
| 01:27.26 | mickeyks | ok... |
| 01:27.34 | mwilson | tcsetattr: libc6 is already in RAM, though. |
| 01:27.34 | cl24 | abrotman: just 2 |
| 01:27.41 | abrotman | and how big were they? |
| 01:27.41 | mwilson | tcsetattr: The wrong one. |
| 01:27.45 | abrotman | and did you actually make 2? |
| 01:27.47 | tcsetattr | mwilson, that doesn't matter. |
| 01:27.52 | mwilson | tcsetattr: So you'd need a statically-linked lilo. |
| 01:28.01 | cl24 | abrotman: i guess so yeah. |
| 01:28.07 | tcsetattr | mwilson, the sharing of shared libraries is not done by name, but by device/inode. The kernel will do the right thing |
| 01:28.16 | sunny256 | abrotman: Hmm, I'd like to give it a try. Have these Subversion repositories that's threatening to break the 2GB limit etc. |
| 01:28.16 | abrotman | cl24: fdisk -l /dev/hdb |
| 01:28.30 | mdh | I've got to stop becoming stressed when dipshit insists on going against my sage advice |
| 01:28.31 | cl24 | ./dev/hdb2 4001 4866 6956145 5 Extended |
| 01:28.32 | abrotman | sunny256: stop checking in so much :) |
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| 01:28.32 | mwilson | mickeyks: Anyway, you have what you need. Edit the file, then chroot to it, then run lilo again. |
| 01:28.36 | cl24 | i've this. |
| 01:28.40 | tcsetattr | you don't need statically linked crap! you can have 2 different libraries mapped into memory at the same time, with the same name, under different chroots, they won't clash |
| 01:29.02 | mwilson | tcsetattr: I bow to your superior experience. :) |
| 01:29.04 | abrotman | cl24: thats the output of fdisk -l ? |
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| 01:29.13 | mickeyks | and all i'm doing is adding lba32 to lilo.conf? |
| 01:29.18 | cl24 | i've hdb1 too. |
| 01:29.37 | abrotman | /dev/hda4 2651 4783 16125480 83 Linux |
| 01:29.44 | abrotman | thats what my lines look like |
| 01:29.47 | mwilson | mickeyks: For a first attempt. |
| 01:29.49 | tcsetattr | when you execute /sbin/lilo under the chroot, the kernel invokes the ELF interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2 - which is taken from under the current root. THat looks for /lib/ld.so.cache - which is also taken from the current root. and so on. |
| 01:29.51 | cl24 | so i've to choose 2 primary ? |
| 01:29.51 | abrotman | i dont know what type 5 is |
| 01:30.06 | mdh | abrotman: a semi-decent keyboard ? :) |
| 01:30.41 | abrotman | cl24: did you make them the correct type of FSs? |
| 01:30.47 | tcsetattr | the type 5 "Extended" partition is the one in the main (4-entry) partition table that _contains_ all the higher-numbered ("Logical") ones. |
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| 01:31.32 | abrotman | cl24: id just make 2 primary unless you have a good reason |
| 01:31.47 | mickeyks | mwilson: so #chroot /etc/lilo.conf ? |
| 01:32.01 | cl24 | ive did it again, wait |
| 01:32.10 | cl24 | thx for help btw abrotman! |
| 01:32.13 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:32.24 | abrotman | why chroot? |
| 01:32.34 | mickeyks | um...cuz mwilson said so |
| 01:32.41 | abrotman | can't you just run lilo .. and give it the correct config file? |
| 01:32.50 | abrotman | mickeyks: mwilson isn't *always* right :) |
| 01:32.52 | kvn | But the config file needs the right paths. |
| 01:32.54 | mwilson | I've always done it that way. I already said I bow to tcsetattr's superior experience in such matters. |
| 01:33.18 | mwilson | chroot-ing it means you don't have to fiddle lilo.conf due to the path differences. |
| 01:33.19 | cl24 | after my mke2fs -j /dev/hdb2 is done too, what's the next step ? |
| 01:33.21 | kvn | chroot is just a quick trick. |
| 01:33.26 | mickeyks | but was tcsetattr saying that i don't need to chroot, or just that it didn't matter whether or not it was statically linked? |
| 01:33.27 | abrotman | can't you use a -C |
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| 01:33.35 | joaquinz | hi |
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| 01:33.43 | abrotman | cl24: you need to edit fstab most likely |
| 01:33.47 | cl24 | k |
| 01:33.55 | joaquinz | good nite, i've a very crazy problem |
| 01:34.00 | joaquinz | with X and my serial genius mouse |
| 01:34.00 | mwilson | abrotman: The kernel images aren't in /boot right now, they're in <mount_point>/boot |
| 01:34.03 | abrotman | cl24: will the partitions have actual names? |
| 01:34.16 | mwilson | abrotman: So you either modify the config, or you chroot it. |
| 01:34.18 | abrotman | mwilson: i think you can set lilo not to verify .. but whatever |
| 01:34.41 | abrotman | joaquinz: you have a serial genius mouse? |
| 01:34.49 | joaquinz | yes |
| 01:34.54 | joaquinz | its an old pc |
| 01:35.05 | abrotman | joaquinz: have you contacted the smithsonian? :) |
| 01:35.12 | joaquinz | ? |
| 01:35.18 | joaquinz | what are u talking about? |
| 01:35.21 | mwilson | mickeyks: # chroot mount_point /sbin/lilo -C /etc/lilo.conf |
| 01:35.21 | abrotman | antique :) |
| 01:35.28 | cl24 | ./dev/hdb1 / ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 01:35.31 | joaquinz | and? this pc is old |
| 01:35.36 | cl24 | ./dev/hdb2 / ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 01:35.39 | cl24 | is that ok ? |
| 01:35.46 | cl24 | in my /etc/fstab |
| 01:35.56 | Nurbs | it's not |
| 01:35.58 | joaquinz | and this mouse is new |
| 01:35.59 | mickeyks | mwilson: where mount_point is the location of my root filesystem? |
| 01:36.03 | joaquinz | it has got a wheel |
| 01:36.03 | abrotman | cl24: not even close |
| 01:36.15 | mwilson | Where you have hda1 mounted |
| 01:36.18 | Nurbs | cl24: you can't have more than one / |
| 01:36.26 | joaquinz | can u help me with my problem? |
| 01:36.28 | cl24 | ./dev/hdb1 / ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 01:36.32 | abrotman | still wrong |
| 01:36.37 | joaquinz | i cant use PS/2 or USB in this pc |
| 01:36.37 | cl24 | so it should be like; /hdb1 ? |
| 01:36.40 | mickeyks | mwilson: oh, ok. that's / |
| 01:37.08 | mwilson | Hm, then forget the chroot. |
| 01:37.14 | mwilson | Just do it. |
| 01:37.17 | abrotman | cl24: what do you want this extra drive to do? |
| 01:37.27 | cl24 | just store some code. |
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| 01:37.36 | abrotman | cl24: ok .. like .. in your home dir or what? |
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| 01:37.41 | cl24 | so /dev/hdb1 /hdb1 ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 01:37.42 | mickeyks | Warning: COMPACT may conflict with LBA32 on some systems |
| 01:37.50 | joaquinz | accidental disconnect |
| 01:37.50 | mwilson | yadda yadda yadda |
| 01:37.51 | cl24 | if I've make mkdir /hdb1 |
| 01:37.52 | joaquinz | my problem is |
| 01:37.58 | mickeyks | but in the example lilo.conf, they give both compact and lba32 |
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| 01:38.03 | abrotman | cl24: you could do that .. but .. probably more like /waycoolcodedir :) |
| 01:38.05 | mwilson | I know. Annoying, isn't it? |
| 01:38.10 | mickeyks | yep |
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| 01:38.23 | mickeyks | should i remove compact? |
| 01:38.30 | joaquinz | that sometimes i cant move the pointer behind the borders of the screen |
| 01:38.34 | cl24 | so if im doign /home/cl24/ would be better ? |
| 01:38.45 | KrOnOs[PKA] | how can i find a PID for a program? |
| 01:38.46 | joaquinz | other times i want to move to one site and the pointer goes to another |
| 01:38.51 | abrotman | cl24: i assume your /home/cl24/ already exists |
| 01:39.03 | abrotman | you can move your home to that drive if you wish |
| 01:39.07 | cl24 | KrOnOs[PKA]: just ps aux|grep PROGRAM |
| 01:39.19 | abrotman | or you can mount it as /home/cl24/work or some such thing |
| 01:39.21 | joaquinz | and other times it begins to move itself in one direction |
| 01:39.24 | cl24 | abrotman: and next ? |
| 01:39.27 | cl24 | reboot ? |
| 01:39.31 | abrotman | cl24: you dont have to |
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| 01:39.45 | abrotman | cl24: you can mount /dev/hdb1 |
| 01:39.47 | mickeyks | k |
| 01:39.51 | abrotman | and mount /dev/hdb2 |
| 01:39.52 | mickeyks | guess i'm gonna reboot now |
| 01:39.57 | joaquinz | what do could be the problem? |
| 01:39.58 | drv | nice topic: debian is not knoppix, hahaha :D |
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| 01:40.10 | abrotman | drv: its not |
| 01:40.11 | cl24 | woohoo:) |
| 01:40.13 | mwilson | mickeyks: No errors? |
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| 01:40.41 | mickeyks | mwilson: just the compact/lba32 warning, and the two "added" lines |
| 01:40.44 | abrotman | cl24: they both work? |
| 01:40.48 | drv | abrotman, I know, i'm just laughing about that! |
| 01:40.49 | cl24 | so editing the fstab will auto-mount my 2 partions the next time im rebooting, right ? |
| 01:40.51 | mwilson | Go for it. :) |
| 01:40.54 | mickeyks | k |
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| 01:41.08 | cl24 | abrotman: i'm seeing these new partitions when im doing a df -H |
| 01:41.08 | abrotman | cl24: it should |
| 01:41.09 | joaquinz | can anybody help me with this problem? |
| 01:41.13 | abrotman | cl24: good |
| 01:41.19 | joaquinz | a |
| 01:41.47 | dampjam | I just added a new user to the computer and in teh past proftpd has just worked and authenticated using that new username, but in this case it won't allow new users to ftp in, is there somewhere this could have gotten messed up |
| 01:41.52 | cl24 | abrotman: i'll try these steps again in a week to see if i can do all these things alone :) |
| 01:42.01 | abrotman | cl24: uhm .. ok |
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| 01:42.05 | abrotman | but it will erase your stuff |
| 01:42.13 | joaquinz | sorry an accidental disconnecting |
| 01:42.22 | abrotman | joaquinz: have you asked #xfree86? |
| 01:42.27 | abrotman | or checked bts? |
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| 01:42.29 | joaquinz | ok, ill try |
| 01:42.37 | cl24 | abrotman: k |
| 01:42.42 | cl24 | i'll try to reboot to see |
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| 01:42.50 | abrotman | cl24: ok |
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| 01:44.48 | joaquinz | abortman |
| 01:44.55 | joaquinz | Xfree86 is empty :/ |
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| 01:45.50 | mickeyks | LI again |
| 01:45.59 | abrotman | joaquinz: #xfree86 is empty? |
| 01:46.01 | orospakr | is anyone else currently able to install Mono from Sid? :) |
| 01:46.10 | joaquinz | nobody answers me |
| 01:46.11 | abrotman | no its not |
| 01:46.15 | abrotman | they're slow sometimes |
| 01:46.33 | mickeyks | hrm |
| 01:46.36 | joaquinz | ok... btw is there any way to download X.org in woody? |
| 01:46.42 | mickeyks | maybe i did something else wrong in lilo |
| 01:47.04 | Seb | hrm, anyone spots what's wrong with my regex here ? find . -iregex '.*\.(mpg|mpeg|avi|wmv|mov)' |
| 01:47.13 | abrotman | joaquinz: you can try apt-get.org ... |
| 01:47.16 | Seb | i believe it's a valid perl-style regex, but I assume find doesn't like those :\ |
| 01:47.23 | mickeyks | mwilson you still around? |
| 01:47.24 | joaquinz | ok |
| 01:47.27 | joaquinz | ill try |
| 01:47.28 | mwilson | mickeyks: Let's see your lilo.conf |
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| 01:47.44 | mickeyks | k...shall i paste it to #flood? |
| 01:47.52 | cavediver | Any Swede in here tonight ? |
| 01:48.04 | mwilson | That's fine. |
| 01:48.27 | joaquinz | abortman do you know why distros are using x.org instead of xfree86? |
| 01:48.35 | joaquinz | why do they change now? |
| 01:48.43 | abrotman | joaquinz: read slashdot |
| 01:48.44 | Seb | licensing issues |
| 01:48.47 | nort0n | cavediver: yeah |
| 01:48.49 | abrotman | joaquinz: licencing issues |
| 01:48.49 | joaquinz | :S ok |
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| 01:49.02 | Seb | k, cmon people, someone has to know how to write a correct find regex :> |
| 01:49.10 | tcsetattr | Seb, 2 things are wrong with it. |
| 01:49.15 | joaquinz | did they leave gpl? |
| 01:49.24 | tcsetattr | Seb, oops, just one |
| 01:49.24 | mwilson | Is there another OS on this drive? |
| 01:49.28 | cl24 | abrotman: i just rebooted, HDs are there so everything is fine for new HDs :) |
| 01:49.32 | mickeyks | mwilson: i didn't give a menu title, but with the "install" i didn't think i had to |
| 01:49.35 | Seb | tcsetattr: what'd that be ? |
| 01:49.37 | mickeyks | mwilson: no |
| 01:49.46 | tcsetattr | Seb, what you have there is an extended regular expression. find uses Basic regular expressions. |
| 01:49.50 | abrotman | cl24: good |
| 01:49.55 | mwilson | Why is boot /dev/hda1 instead of /dev/hda? |
| 01:50.03 | tcsetattr | Seb: that means grep style, not egrep style |
| 01:50.10 | tcsetattr | Seb: backslash the parens and pipes. |
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| 01:50.34 | Seb | tcsetattr: you da man |
| 01:50.36 | Seb | thx a lot |
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| 01:50.50 | mickeyks | mwilson: i don't remember, but /dev/hda1 is where the root filesystem is. i had to type /dev/hda1 at the rescue prompt to get back here |
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| 01:51.20 | cl24 | cl24: but i,ve a problem, when im doing reboot, i've an error (i dont know the exact reason), |
| 01:51.36 | paquin | What is the name of 'CFQ I/O scheduler' to pass to kernel elevator argument at boot time? |
| 01:51.37 | abrotman | cl24: stop talking to yourself :) |
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| 01:52.10 | cl24 | the error is: NVRAM Cleared By Jumper Press <F1> for Setup, <ESC> to Boot, <F2> for Option Rom Screen. |
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| 01:52.20 | abrotman | thast your bios |
| 01:52.24 | cl24 | how can i fix this ? |
| 01:52.33 | cl24 | cause i need to press ESC to boot |
| 01:52.38 | mwilson | You don't have that silly mbr program installed, do you? |
| 01:52.41 | abrotman | cl24: fix your bios/motherboard |
| 01:52.51 | SpAc | how can i stop PHP halting everytime I get a "Notice: Undefined index" |
| 01:52.51 | cl24 | and sometime i'd to reboot from the office, and i can't |
| 01:53.03 | mickeyks | mwilson: um, yeah i'm pretty sure i do |
| 01:53.07 | abrotman | SpAc: you mean the error? |
| 01:53.15 | mwilson | $ dpkg -l mbr |
| 01:53.16 | cl24 | abrotman: what i need to do ? |
| 01:53.28 | abrotman | cl24: it sounds like your bios |
| 01:53.29 | SpAc | abrotman: yeah, i get that error and the script stops... i didn't do that on my old server |
| 01:53.31 | abrotman | or a jumper on your mobo |
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| 01:53.44 | abrotman | SpAc: do you ahve control over your php.ini? |
| 01:53.52 | mickeyks | mwilson: yeah, it's there. the kernel config howto i was using suggested it |
| 01:54.03 | SpAc | abrotman: yeah, i've been looking for an option in there, but i can find anything |
| 01:54.13 | abrotman | SpAc: sec .. let me look at docs |
| 01:54.15 | mickeyks | suggested saying yes to the offer to install it anyway |
| 01:54.22 | SpAc | abrotman: thanks man |
| 01:54.26 | mickeyks | at least i think that's what it was doing...hrm |
| 01:54.51 | mwilson | Ok, that's what it's doing. |
| 01:55.01 | mwilson | That's why hda1 was working before. |
| 01:55.03 | mickeyks | you're a fast reader |
| 01:55.18 | mickeyks | what's it doing? |
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| 01:55.36 | mwilson | Why isn't it working now... |
| 01:55.52 | mwilson | Still have the old lilo.conf? |
| 01:55.54 | abrotman | SpAc: http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.errorfunc.php |
| 01:56.06 | mickeyks | mwilson: um, no. |
| 01:56.16 | abrotman | SpAc: you'll have to figure out which setting for error_reporting you want in your php.ini |
| 01:56.29 | mickeyks | mwilson: i could more or less change it back though |
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| 01:56.50 | mickeyks | mwilson: i did change the order of some of the lines to make it look more like the config in man lilo.conf |
| 01:56.53 | mwilson | change install=/boot/boot.b to install=menu |
| 01:56.59 | mwilson | That's not right. |
| 01:57.33 | mickeyks | i could take out the install line and add a menu-title line |
| 01:57.43 | mwilson | No, just install=menu |
| 01:57.43 | mickeyks | that install line is just pointing to a picture of a penguin or something anyway |
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| 01:59.18 | mickeyks | mwilson: that's it? should i try removing "compact" ? |
| 01:59.47 | mwilson | I know the install line is wrong, comment out compact. |
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| 02:00.52 | mickeyks | mwilson: ok, so, install=menu, commenting out compact, and try again? |
| 02:01.00 | mwilson | yeha |
| 02:01.06 | mickeyks | going |
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| 02:01.42 | tcsetattr | querybts |
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| 02:02.00 | Unfrgiven | tcsetattr: nup, thats CLI. ive used an ncurses interface |
| 02:02.32 | Justin | Unfrgiven: the old bts in woody used a shitty dialog interface |
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| 02:02.44 | Unfrgiven | Justin: what was that called? |
| 02:03.11 | Justin | Unfrgiven: querybts |
| 02:03.20 | abrotman | debbugs? |
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| 02:03.37 | Unfrgiven | Justin: right ok. from unstable querybts, is not dialog based |
| 02:03.48 | Unfrgiven | abrotman: ah! that sounds familiar, let me try that one |
| 02:03.51 | roy | how do you mannual setup partitions for debian |
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| 02:03.54 | cafuego | links http://bugs.debian.org/ uses curses. |
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| 02:04.31 | bghfhfg | Why does my monitor say "Input Not Supported" when use the Savage driver? |
| 02:05.17 | cafuego | bghfhfg: probably a resolution it can't display |
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| 02:05.20 | tcsetattr | in unstable, querybts has a dialog-ish interface. |
| 02:05.32 | mdh | Unfrgiven: reportbug ? |
| 02:05.40 | bghfhfg | cafuego: It can display that resolution fine with the Vesa driver. |
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| 02:06.18 | cafuego | bghfhfg: Then it's probably another case of S3 suckage. |
| 02:06.33 | abrotman | S3 is like the best ever :) |
| 02:06.37 | cafuego | mdh: I had 24-four turnover express service on the espresso machine. |
| 02:06.49 | abrotman | too bad the factoid doesn't discuss S3 video cards at all |
| 02:06.50 | bghfhfg | cafuego: Yes, so how do I fix it? abrotman: S3... no. |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 02:06.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, s3 is shit, shower, shave. The Morning Ritual |
| 02:07.02 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 02:08.05 | bghfhfg | I don't shower or shave in the morning. |
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| 02:08.05 | mickeyks | LI :( |
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| 02:08.05 | Airwalk | How can I run GDM configurator and other root-requiring apps in GNOME without being logged in as root? |
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| 02:08.05 | mwilson | Airwalk: sudo |
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| 02:08.05 | bghfhfg | cafuego: abrotman: So, how do I fix it (other than getting a new video card). |
| 02:08.08 | Airwalk | thanks |
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| 02:08.08 | mwilson | crap |
| 02:08.09 | abrotman | !xauthority |
| 02:08.12 | dpkg | i guess xauthority is use: xauth merge /home/user/.Xauthority |
| 02:08.15 | Airwalk | ill google that |
| 02:08.20 | mwilson | Whyinhell can't it find the second-stage loader? |
| 02:08.21 | abrotman | bghfhfg: dunno |
| 02:08.33 | abrotman | bghfhfg: google/bts say anything? |
| 02:08.44 | abrotman | !.xauthority |
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| 02:08.48 | bghfhfg | abrotman: What am I supposed to search for? |
| 02:08.53 | bghfhfg | !prosavage8 |
| 02:08.57 | Lemmih | Do I need all 13 Sid cd's to install it? Or is it just extra packages? |
| 02:09.02 | bghfhfg | !graphics |
| 02:09.02 | dpkg | i heard graphics is The pictures that computers display. Not text, but just about everything else. |
| 02:09.03 | abrotman | bghfhfg: "savage input not supported" |
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| 02:09.06 | mwilson | What filesystem is hda1? |
| 02:09.25 | abrotman | bghfhfg: or whatever the driver name is |
| 02:09.36 | mickeyks | mwilson: ext2 |
| 02:09.45 | abrotman | !scrape google savage input not supported |
| 02:09.48 | mickeyks | that's what fstab says anyway |
| 02:10.05 | abrotman | Lemmih: check the faq |
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| 02:10.45 | abrotman | whats .as? |
| 02:10.53 | mwilson | mickeyks: # lilo -t -v5 |
| 02:10.55 | flophouse | american samoa? |
| 02:11.00 | abrotman | azores? |
| 02:11.15 | mickeyks | mwilson: many,many screens of output |
| 02:11.18 | tcsetattr | American Somoa. ftp://ftp.ripe.net/iso3166-countrycodes.txt |
| 02:11.35 | abrotman | usually dpkg knows .. but not today |
| 02:12.13 | Justin | dpkg: as is also American Somoa |
| 02:12.13 | dpkg | Justin: okay |
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| 02:12.32 | mickeyks | mwilson: i could script it and send it to you? |
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| 02:12.50 | mickeyks | or not |
| 02:12.53 | mwilson | No. |
| 02:12.56 | mwilson | Not necessary. |
| 02:13.00 | mickeyks | k |
| 02:13.12 | abrotman | mwilson: dont lie . you can't read :) |
| 02:14.05 | mwilson | # lilo -t -v2 |
| 02:14.10 | mwilson | take note of the table at the end |
| 02:14.19 | mwilson | then # lilo -Tgeom |
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| 02:14.35 | mwilson | Do the two entries for 0x80 match? |
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| 02:16.01 | mickeyks | mwilson: that second command wants lilo v 22 or later |
| 02:16.24 | mwilson | You HAVE lilo v22 or later |
| 02:16.29 | mickeyks | mwilson: paradoxically, i have v 22.5.9-2 |
| 02:16.35 | mickeyks | :) |
| 02:16.57 | Beschwa | what option do i need to have a I/O scheduler when compiling a kernel? |
| 02:17.04 | mwilson | iproute $ sudo lilo -V |
| 02:17.05 | mwilson | LILO version 22.5.8 (Debian GNU/Linux |
| 02:17.31 | mwilson | -Tgeom doesn't work with 22.5.9? |
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| 02:17.44 | mickeyks | LILO version 22.5.9 (Debian GNU/Linux) |
| 02:17.50 | cef | works here |
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| 02:18.01 | tcsetattr | lilo -Tgeom works for me but I don't get 2 entries for 0x80 |
| 02:18.05 | mickeyks | Booting your system with LILO version 22.0 or later would provide the re- |
| 02:18.05 | mickeyks | quested information as part of the BIOS data check. Please install a more |
| 02:18.05 | mickeyks | recent version of LILO on your hard disk, or create a bootable rescue floppy |
| 02:18.05 | mickeyks | with the 'mkrescue' command. |
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| 02:18.16 | mickeyks | sorry |
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| 02:18.27 | abrotman | mickeyks: we just dont flood here .. its bad manners :) |
| 02:18.30 | tcsetattr | oh it only works if the currently-running kernel was booted by LILO, that's cute |
| 02:18.39 | tcsetattr | and since the rescue CD uses syslinux... |
| 02:18.39 | mwilson | Ah |
| 02:18.41 | mickeyks | abrotman: i know, i didn't mean to paste all of it |
| 02:18.43 | mwilson | Exactly. |
| 02:19.00 | mwilson | I'd forgotten that one. |
| 02:19.14 | mickeyks | this is like an episode of "the bloodhound gang" |
| 02:19.20 | mwilson | Lilo *thinks* it's loaded the second-stage, but whatever it's loading ain't it. |
| 02:19.33 | mwilson | It has to be a geometry issue. |
| 02:19.38 | abrotman | mickeyks: hooray for boobies? |
| 02:19.50 | mickeyks | abrotman: what are you talking about? |
| 02:20.15 | abrotman | mickeyks: theres a group called the bloodhound gang .. iirc .. one of thier albums was titled "hooray for boobies" |
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| 02:20.29 | mwilson | mickeyks: When you installed that 2.4.16 kernel, was THIS lilo installed, or Woody's lilo? |
| 02:20.37 | abrotman | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00001QGP4/qid=1086574829/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/103-3089617-5832664?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 |
| 02:20.38 | mickeyks | abrotman: oh. i meant the 3-2-1 contact thingy that probably inspired the name |
| 02:20.41 | abrotman | mickeyks: ^^ |
| 02:21.00 | mickeyks | mwilson: woody's |
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| 02:21.22 | mwilson | Yeah, that kernel-image is from stable. |
| 02:21.29 | mickeyks | i dont' remember changing lilo at all until after compiling |
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| 02:21.46 | mwilson | Well, it would have gotten changed during your dist-upgrade. |
| 02:22.04 | abrotman | no |
| 02:22.11 | abrotman | dist-upgrade doesn't install kernels |
| 02:22.28 | abrotman | it would have upgraded lilo .. but not the kernel |
| 02:22.36 | mwilson | That's what I meant. |
| 02:22.37 | cef | mickeyks: do you have lba32 or compact in your lilo.conf ? |
| 02:22.45 | mickeyks | cef: both |
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| 02:22.59 | mwilson | It doesn't work, with or without lba32, and I thought you'd commented out compact. |
| 02:23.02 | cef | I always had issues with compact.. YMMV |
| 02:23.52 | mickeyks | mwilson: right. i did comment out compact. |
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| 02:24.29 | cl24 | i've to go, many thanks abrotman for ur help |
| 02:24.34 | cl24 | it was really appreciated! |
| 02:24.40 | abrotman | cl24: glad it worked |
| 02:24.53 | abrotman | cl24: but its spelled your :) |
| 02:24.54 | cl24 | :0 |
| 02:24.56 | cl24 | :) |
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| 02:25.01 | chealer | is somebody able to use apt-get since yesterday? ftp2.de.debian.org is reported down by http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 02:25.20 | Justin | chealer: it is a good thing there is more than one mirror then eh? |
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| 02:25.26 | mwilson | Are your kernels in /boot, or in the root? |
| 02:25.31 | abrotman | Justin: you lie! :) |
| 02:25.37 | mwilson | Or in /boot but symlinked to the root? |
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| 02:26.06 | Airwalk | Hello again, it seems that I have the package gnome-sudo, but I can't seem to run it. |
| 02:26.19 | mickeyks | mwilson: /boot but symlinked to the root |
| 02:26.20 | Airwalk | I get the error 'command not found' |
| 02:26.29 | chealer | Justin: yeah...how do I tell apt-get to try to use working mirrors? |
| 02:26.30 | mwilson | Airwalk: Oh? What's the name of the binary? |
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| 02:26.43 | Airwalk | gnome-sudo |
| 02:26.52 | mwilson | Airwalk: It is? |
| 02:26.58 | abrotman | !find gnome-sudo |
| 02:27.01 | Airwalk | the deb package... |
| 02:27.01 | dpkg | gnome-sudo: (dumb package to provide smooth upgrade to gksu), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.2.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 56 kB |
| 02:27.10 | mwilson | I didn't ask you the name of the package. |
| 02:27.19 | Airwalk | oh, sorry. |
| 02:27.23 | mwilson | mickeyks: It has GOT to be a geometry issue. |
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| 02:27.42 | Airwalk | according to debian.org, it should be loacted at /usr/bin/gnome-sudo |
| 02:27.46 | mwilson | mickeyks: Is there anything odd about that drive? |
| 02:27.47 | mickeyks | mwilson: actually maybe i'm wrong about the symlink thing |
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| 02:28.33 | abrotman | gksu? |
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| 02:28.40 | tcsetattr | mickeyks, is your /boot partition smaller than 1000 cylinders? |
| 02:28.46 | mickeyks | mwilson: the symlinks are in /, linking to the files which are in /boot |
| 02:28.50 | mwilson | tcsetattr: it booted the 2.4.16 kernel before. |
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| 02:29.03 | tcsetattr | mwilson, maybe he got lucky the first time and it landed in the first 1000 cylinders. |
| 02:29.16 | abrotman | Airwalk: woody? |
| 02:29.18 | mwilson | tcsetattr: Well, the version of lilo he's using doesn't have the limit. |
| 02:29.22 | chealer | Justin: in KPackage I see that APT is told to use that server in many many places, there must be a way to change it globally |
| 02:29.23 | mickeyks | tcsetattr: how can i foind out? |
| 02:29.23 | Airwalk | yes. r2. |
| 02:29.32 | tcsetattr | if the BIOS is circa 1998, it could have the "1000 cylinder" problem |
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| 02:29.43 | mwilson | tcsetattr: If that's the case, then the old kernel would still boot. |
| 02:29.50 | mwilson | mickeyks: Have you tried to boot the old kernel? |
| 02:29.51 | abrotman | Airwalk: well .. thats where it should be // |
| 02:29.59 | tcsetattr | oh he can't boot the old one either? damn |
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| 02:30.12 | mickeyks | mwilson: well, no...i can change lilo.conf again and leave out the new stuff |
| 02:30.12 | abrotman | no |
| 02:30.19 | mdh | apt-get install grub |
| 02:30.20 | Airwalk | abrotman: ill reinstall the package. |
| 02:30.40 | mwilson | It never displays the menu? |
| 02:30.50 | mickeyks | mwilson: no, it's "LI" every time |
| 02:30.59 | mickeyks | doesn't get to the menu |
| 02:31.03 | mdh | I've been here for a few hours and you guys are *still* trying to fix inherent flaws in lilo |
| 02:31.03 | ricochet | Question, I need to install winXP on my machine again after its hdd died. I dont want it to mess up my deb tho, i use lilo. I am thinking i'll unplug all hdd cept the new windows one, install win, stick the debian cd in, emerg boot, run lilo, and everything should work right? |
| 02:31.05 | mickeyks | or skips it, depending on how you look at it |
| 02:31.05 | jameson | Any ideas as to why an SBC 2wire homeportal (connected to SBC, in case that matters) might allow me to ping and nslookup, but won't forward http and ssh? It's set up to the default config, so I'm wondering whether this might be a problem on my end... |
| 02:31.07 | mwilson | tcsetattr: Then it can't find the second stage. |
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| 02:31.32 | mwilson | mdh: grub has the same fun when disk geometry changes. |
| 02:31.33 | abrotman | ricochet: you install windows .. boot debian with rescue .. run lilo .. and its magic! |
| 02:31.45 | tcsetattr | oh so maybe when he upgraded lilo, , the new second-stage loader landed outside the 1024-cylinder boundary |
| 02:31.56 | ricochet | abrotman, excellent, that was my plan |
| 02:31.59 | abrotman | mdh: well if you know how to fix it .. lend a hand :) |
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| 02:32.20 | mwilson | mickeyks: You'd rebooted after the dist-upgrade, yes? |
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| 02:32.28 | mickeyks | mwilson: yeah |
| 02:32.34 | mwilson | tcsetattr: So that's not it. |
| 02:32.55 | tcsetattr | fine, shoot me down again. |
| 02:32.55 | mickeyks | there was a power outage yesterday, booted back up fine |
| 02:32.58 | cef | mickeyks: any other devices apart from that ide drive? |
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| 02:33.23 | mickeyks | cef: nothing. cd-rom, floppy, monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers |
| 02:33.41 | mwilson | It's something stupid... it always is with lilo. |
| 02:34.12 | mickeyks | could the order of the parameters make a big difference? in lilo.conf? because i did mess with them slightly |
| 02:34.23 | mwilson | I think it's that 2.2 kernel that's running. |
| 02:34.32 | mickeyks | but only in such a way as to make them MORE like the lilo.conf example |
| 02:34.33 | mwilson | Boot the 2.4 kernel. |
| 02:34.35 | cef | mwilson: yeah.. I used to kick russell coker up the rear every time he broke my lilo install. it did improve the quality though |
| 02:34.57 | mwilson | cef: I wish Russell would take lilo back... the current maintainer is an idiot. |
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| 02:35.28 | mwilson | mickeyks: Why ARE you using the 2.2 kernel? |
| 02:35.48 | abrotman | cause its fun? |
| 02:35.48 | tcsetattr | the order doesn't matter as long as you didn't take lines out of an image stanza and move them somewhere else. |
| 02:35.57 | mdh | abrotman: I've already suggested twice now to install a more tolerant boot loader. I know it's not as "interesting" as attempting to fix lilo, but ... |
| 02:36.08 | mickeyks | mwilson: that's what's on the rescue/install cd-rom |
| 02:36.10 | cef | mwilson: no fun. Russ is far too busy to take back lilo now though |
| 02:36.22 | mwilson | mickeyks: There's a 2.4 kernel there too. |
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| 02:36.52 | mickeyks | mwilson: there is? hrm, if i have to do this again, i'll look for it |
| 02:37.05 | mwilson | mdh: I don't think grub is particularly "tolerant". |
| 02:37.47 | abrotman | mwilson: in grubs defense .. ive never seen a machine boot to "GR" :) |
| 02:37.51 | mwilson | mdh: My root is hde, and grub doesn't like that AT ALL. |
| 02:38.10 | abrotman | i see a common problem though .. the bootloaders all have 4 letters |
| 02:38.15 | mdh | mwilson: PEBCAK. Mine is hde also and works fine :P |
| 02:38.18 | mickeyks | i'm commenting out the option for the new kernel, the install line, and the labels |
| 02:38.30 | mwilson | You kinda have to have the install line. :) |
| 02:38.38 | abrotman | where helix |
| 02:38.38 | mickeyks | so it will hopefully just go to /vmlinuz.old |
| 02:38.39 | mwilson | it should argue with you if it's not there. |
| 02:38.41 | abrotman | err |
| 02:38.42 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:38.52 | mickeyks | really? i thought i had to add it this last time |
| 02:39.02 | mwilson | But let's get up on the 2.4 kernel if we have to do this again. |
| 02:39.15 | cef | mickeyks: just remember to change default= as well |
| 02:39.22 | tcsetattr | abrotman, we should write a bootloader called "L". With only one letter, it has only 25% of the chance of failing! |
| 02:39.28 | mwilson | lol |
| 02:39.33 | mickeyks | mwilson: i left out install and it didn't argue |
| 02:39.39 | mwilson | hm |
| 02:39.45 | mdh | grub isn't perfect, but lets check some facts. 1) it doesn't attempt to corrupt the boot sector every time a new kernel image is installed 2) even if some thing does go wrong, the system can normally be manually booted in any case (via the grub console) - either from the hd install of grub or from a grub floppy or other boot media |
| 02:39.50 | mickeyks | cef= i didn't have default |
| 02:40.04 | abrotman | tcsetattr: but then you'd have to figure out how many pixels came out before it died |
| 02:40.05 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:40.08 | cef | mickeyks: ahh ok |
| 02:40.34 | mwilson | mickeyks: Well, give it a shot. |
| 02:40.38 | mickeyks | ok |
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| 02:41.22 | mwilson | mdh: What can I say, I like lilo. |
| 02:41.25 | tcsetattr | I missed it. what did he change this time? |
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| 02:41.45 | mwilson | Removed the alternate kernel and the install line, restoring what it was when it was working. |
| 02:42.09 | mwilson | I *still* think it's a geometry problem. |
| 02:42.10 | tcsetattr | I wish you could cat bzImage > /dev/hda1 and boot. That would be the best bootloader ever. |
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| 02:42.21 | mwilson | You can. |
| 02:42.24 | tcsetattr | you can do it with a floppy |
| 02:42.32 | mwilson | I think it works with a HD, too. |
| 02:42.36 | tcsetattr | really? |
| 02:43.00 | mwilson | hda1 wouldn't be good for much else, though. :) |
| 02:43.04 | cef | as long as you don't need partition tables and the like, it can work, yes |
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| 02:43.25 | mwilson | cef: hda1... the partition table wouldn't be touched. |
| 02:43.33 | cef | afaik, you'd need a bootloader in mbr though |
| 02:43.36 | thomas_adam | Just get a sodding rescue CD and stop bitching. :) |
| 02:43.43 | thomas_adam | Lilo is better than grub, ner ner ner |
| 02:43.46 | mwilson | He's got a rescue CD. |
| 02:43.47 | cef | mwilson: yeah noticed.. |
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| 02:44.09 | thomas_adam | mwilson: Then get him to take it out his arse and use it. |
| 02:44.25 | tcsetattr | he's been using it! |
| 02:44.35 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Uh, you're coming in late... he HAS been using it. He can get back in just fine, we diagnose, he tries again. |
| 02:45.10 | thomas_adam | ok. |
| 02:45.26 | mwilson | thomas_adam: But we can't write a boot that works. |
| 02:45.44 | thomas_adam | hmm. |
| 02:46.25 | mwilson | 2.2 vs 2.4 kernel... no guarantee that the disk geometry is the same |
| 02:46.27 | Airwalk | Reinstalling gnome-sudo worked via apt. However, gnome-sudo quits on execution with the following messages: Gdk-WARNING: **: Locale not supported by C library; GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authenication rejected, reason : None of the authenication protocols specified are supported and host-based authenication failed. |
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| 02:46.56 | thomas_adam | Airwalk: export LANG=C |
| 02:47.26 | ent | can anyone help with a "Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on deisplay ":0.0". error ? |
| 02:47.32 | Airwalk | done, unfortunately same errors. |
| 02:47.34 | Justin | !tell ent about X problem |
| 02:47.35 | cef | mwilson: and v2.6 is different again |
| 02:47.41 | thomas_adam | Bed. |
| 02:47.46 | Bill | what is cpan? is there an easy way to apt-get it? |
| 02:47.59 | mdh | Bill: hahahah :) umm... no |
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| 02:48.09 | tcsetattr | CPAN is the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network. Sometimes it's even easier to use than apt-get :) |
| 02:48.10 | mickeyks | still got LI |
| 02:48.11 | mwilson | And the survey said...? |
| 02:48.13 | mwilson | ack |
| 02:48.20 | mwilson | are you on the 2.2 or 2.4 kernel now? |
| 02:48.28 | mickeyks | and i tried to boot from the rescue bf2.4 but i got a kernel panic |
| 02:48.36 | mickeyks | it seemed to be searching for the reiser fs |
| 02:48.42 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 02:48.42 | Justin | mwilson: has he tried lilo -U or whatever it is that completly uninstalls it? |
| 02:48.43 | dpkg | it has been said that iapf is It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
| 02:48.48 | abrotman | damn pete! |
| 02:48.55 | mwilson | Justin: No, not yet. I was thinking about that. |
| 02:48.58 | mdh | Bill: CPAN is the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network, basically a bunch of perl modules you can go fetch in an apt-like manner (with searches and dependencies and so forth) |
| 02:49.03 | tcsetattr | the entire CPAN archive is possibly as big as the entire Debian distribution. So you don't want to "apt-get it". You just want to get something _from_ it |
| 02:49.13 | abrotman | mdh: much better than cspan LO( |
| 02:49.14 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:49.16 | Bill | mdh oh... im installing something that says it needs.. DBI and DBD::mysql |
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| 02:49.42 | mwilson | mickeyks: Hm, I wonder why it panicked. It doesn't use an initrd. |
| 02:49.43 | ent | Bill you may just need to install those php modules |
| 02:49.43 | mdh | Bill: some CPAN modules are packaged in debian, some aren't. and in my experience they don't mix very well :( |
| 02:49.46 | Airwalk | hmm, guess I'm SOL. thanks anyway. |
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| 02:49.59 | pseubodot | !abrotman |
| 02:50.00 | dpkg | [abrotman] at http://abrotman.needs.help/ |
| 02:50.01 | tcsetattr | the debian package for DBI is libdbi-perl |
| 02:50.06 | abrotman | yes .. yes i do |
| 02:50.07 | mdh | Bill: those dbi and dbd are packaged... |
| 02:50.13 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 02:50.13 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, Do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 02:50.22 | mwilson | mickeyks: I think we're at the point of diminishing returns here... how much longer do you want to futz with this vs trying grub? |
| 02:50.22 | Bill | mdh ok so apt-get install dbd and dbi? |
| 02:50.34 | cef | !wangstrike abrotman |
| 02:50.35 | dpkg | A Wang 486 Tower descends from the great colo in the sky, knocking abrotman to the ground and leaving a large smoldering crater. |
| 02:50.45 | cef | abrotman: don't play with the bots |
| 02:50.45 | tcsetattr | for DBD::Mysql the debian package is libdbd-mysql-perl. You can find this information yourself using apt-cache search |
| 02:50.48 | ent | what up cef? |
| 02:50.52 | abrotman | !botabuse |
| 02:50.53 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 02:50.55 | mdh | Bill: uh.. apt-cache search dbd && apt-cache search dbi and get the full package names, then apt-get install those :) |
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| 02:51.04 | Bill | mdh ok thanks. |
| 02:51.09 | mickeyks | mwilson: you know, last time i ran lilo, i wasn't chroot |
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| 02:51.25 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: samir? |
| 02:51.25 | dpkg | This is a fuck! |
| 02:51.26 | abrotman | cef: i would never abuse the bots |
| 02:51.27 | mwilson | Your root is where it is, it shouldn't be making a difference. |
| 02:51.38 | quantillis | I need a machine account to be able to run a command remotely over ssh without a password. I figured out the dsa, rsa stuff for root, but how do I get a non-user account to do this? |
| 02:51.58 | mwilson | Huh, grub and lilo don't conflict any more in Sid. |
| 02:52.10 | mdh | speaking of bot abuse, here's FieldySnuts! |
| 02:52.12 | mickeyks | mwilson: do you think grub will be different? |
| 02:52.16 | tcsetattr | quantillis, it should work just as well for non-root. you did ssh-keygen and modified .ssh/authorized_keys? |
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| 02:52.38 | Bill | mdh wow there is so many dbd stuff |
| 02:52.39 | ent | how do i switch windows in a text based irc proggy again? |
| 02:52.41 | quantillis | tcsetattr: Yes. But when I run the command as the machine account, it still askes for the password. |
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| 02:52.42 | mwilson | mickeyks: mdh is right when he says that grub gives you more control over the process. |
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| 02:52.53 | tcsetattr | quantillis, be sure to make your .ssh/authorized keys mode 600 and .ssh mode 700, if you have insecure permissions sshd will refuse to work, for your own protection |
| 02:52.55 | mickeyks | ok |
| 02:52.55 | mwilson | mickeyks: But I'd defer to him to walk you through using it. |
| 02:53.08 | quantillis | k... brb... I'll check that now. |
| 02:53.12 | mickeyks | mdh, are you willing to do that? |
| 02:53.20 | ansong | is there a channel to ask apache questions in? |
| 02:53.38 | Tachoh | #apache |
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| 02:54.16 | mdh | mickeyks: yes, no problem. |
| 02:54.25 | ent | how do i switch windows in a text based irc proggy again? |
| 02:54.38 | quantillis | tcsetattr: done. the files were already 600, but the directory was 755. Fixed. Still, it shoudl have worked... ? |
| 02:54.39 | mickeyks | mdh: how long do you think it will take to set it up? |
| 02:54.51 | mickeyks | mdh: i'm grateful for your help, but i have to go to sleep soon |
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| 02:55.29 | quantillis | hrm... |
| 02:55.34 | mdh | mickeyks: grub is normally a 5-minute install. BUT... you know Murphy's Law ;) |
| 02:55.39 | quantillis | Maybe I just figured out part of the problem... |
| 02:55.48 | tcsetattr | keep in mind he's working from rescue CD. |
| 02:55.51 | Justin | s/minute/second/ |
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| 02:56.14 | mwilson | Well, he's chrooted to the real root. |
| 02:56.17 | quantillis | Looks like it won't take the root password when it asks for it when I run ssh as my machine account user. |
| 02:56.35 | quantillis | I get this error --> Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive). |
| 02:57.07 | tcsetattr | he has to install grub before he can use it... so he has to get the .deb in the chroot first. |
| 02:57.25 | tcsetattr | quantillis, look in /var/log/auth.log and /var/log/daemon.log on the server. |
| 02:57.33 | quantillis | K. Thanks. |
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| 02:57.39 | mwilson | mickeyks: You're on-line, so the network is working. # apt-get -d grub grub-doc |
| 02:57.39 | mdh | is it safe to assume apt-get will work as normal from within chroot? did for me last I tried... |
| 02:58.17 | tcsetattr | as long as he has all his partitions mounted in the proper places under the chroot, everything should work |
| 02:58.24 | mwilson | mdh: It should... dpkg is going to talk to the normal filesystem locations. |
| 02:58.36 | tcsetattr | if he just has a root with no /usr or /var there will be problems :) |
| 02:58.51 | mickeyks | ok i got it |
| 02:59.00 | mickeyks | aer |
| 02:59.02 | mwilson | It downloaded them? |
| 02:59.05 | mickeyks | i mean, i downloaded grub |
| 02:59.06 | mickeyks | yeah |
| 02:59.30 | quantillis | Here's what it gives me: (Jude is the server, backuppc is the machine account name): |
| 02:59.32 | mickeyks | when you do -d where does it put them? |
| 02:59.33 | quantillis | Jun 6 19:55:01 jude PAM_unix[2132]: authentication failure; (uid=0) -> backuppc for ssh service |
| 02:59.44 | mwilson | In /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 02:59.55 | mdh | /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:00.09 | mwilson | You can still use apt-get to install them, it's just my habit to download a package first, then install it. |
| 03:00.09 | mickeyks | mdh ok, so shall i just dpkg -i ? |
| 03:00.24 | mickeyks | oh |
| 03:00.25 | mdh | you can just install the grub packages, it won't do anything until you run 'grub-install' later on |
| 03:00.47 | cafuego | blah |
| 03:00.48 | mdh | "do anything" being "corrupt your boot sector" ;) |
| 03:00.49 | mickeyks | so for simplicity can i just apt-get install them? |
| 03:01.04 | mdh | yep |
| 03:01.16 | mickeyks | ok |
| 03:01.22 | tcsetattr | quantillis, if that's all you got, you're going to have to look for more clues elsewhere. try running sshd -d -p 4321 on the server, then do your ssh thing on the client with -P 4321 |
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| 03:01.47 | mdh | and read the README.Debian.gz in /usr/share/doc/grub/ to get an idea of what you're going to do ;) |
| 03:01.56 | mwilson | I hate applications that come with HTML documentation spread across a dozen files. |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | mwilson: the ARM? |
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| 03:02.27 | mdh | mwilson: apache? :) |
| 03:02.31 | mwilson | grub |
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| 03:03.10 | quantillis | tcsetattr: I think I figured out the problem. Name resolution is failing. |
| 03:03.34 | mickeyks | mdh: ok i looked at it...if i have to read it all before we do this, we might as well wait til tomorrow |
| 03:03.50 | cef | mwilson: yeah.. it's annoying sometimes.. openswan does that, and it makes finding stuff sometimes a real pain. fortunately they have a "all-in-one" html file for searching |
| 03:03.57 | mdh | hmm.. the doco really is in 'info grub' |
| 03:03.57 | mdh | but knowing people never read the doco anyway, the debian maintainer chose to write a README.Debian that contains all the important stuff ;) |
| 03:04.28 | mwilson | *I* read documentation. |
| 03:05.05 | ansong | hey, when you do an "ls -l" what is the number before the owners username? |
| 03:05.28 | mwilson | The number of links. |
| 03:05.38 | ansong | ??? |
| 03:05.49 | ansong | symlinks? |
| 03:05.53 | mickeyks | mdh: do i need to chroot to do this? |
| 03:06.56 | simonrvn | ansong: man ln |
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| 03:07.00 | mdh | mickeyks: there's only a few steps. in overview you run 'grub-install' and 'update-grub'. You shouldn't need to chroot but it certainly won't hurt. |
| 03:07.19 | dan2 | wtf is bob2? |
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| 03:07.51 | mdh | dan2: we're still trying to figure it out. some say animal, some say vegetable, there were aven a few bids for human |
| 03:08.03 | dan2 | s/what/where/ |
| 03:08.05 | dan2 | damn it |
| 03:08.15 | mickeyks | the thing is |
| 03:08.28 | mickeyks | i booted to my normal root filesystem as the root filesystem |
| 03:08.31 | cef | mmm .lunch |
| 03:08.35 | mickeyks | i got to select it when i booted from rescue |
| 03:08.38 | simonrvn | mdh: i'll put my bets on human |
| 03:08.42 | mwilson | Then the chroot shouldn't strictly be necessary. |
| 03:08.44 | mickeyks | so does chrooting really do anything? |
| 03:08.47 | mickeyks | ok |
| 03:08.57 | pseubodot | abrotman: did you say you were evil? |
| 03:08.58 | Guerin | cef: cat ~/.lunch > /dev/mouth |
| 03:08.58 | sbetore | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:09.02 | pseubodot | !evil |
| 03:09.03 | dpkg | i guess evil is how abrotman smells |
| 03:09.05 | sbetore | My net access went down! |
| 03:09.13 | cef | Guerin: heh |
| 03:09.15 | mickeyks | Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. |
| 03:09.18 | sbetore | I was in hell for several hours! |
| 03:09.21 | mickeyks | hrm, five seconds |
| 03:09.23 | simonrvn | mdh: i have no visual evidence, but behaviourally the evidence points to human |
| 03:09.43 | abrotman | !lart pseubodot |
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| 03:09.59 | simonrvn | more like 50 kg |
| 03:10.13 | pseubodot | !evil |
| 03:10.14 | dpkg | from memory, evil is closed, proprietary software |
| 03:10.14 | dan2 | simonrvn: thats a bit heavier :) |
| 03:10.17 | sbetore | I was like, "no net...? Hmm, I'll go read slashd..D'OH - well, I'll chill out reading bash.or...NOO!! - - heh, I'll have to tell my mates about thi...ARGHHHH!!!!" |
| 03:10.20 | pseubodot | yes, much better |
| 03:10.22 | simonrvn | dan2: no, really? |
| 03:10.22 | mickeyks | mdh: ok, i got an output that i'm not sure if i should edit |
| 03:10.27 | dan2 | simonrvn: :) |
| 03:10.44 | mickeyks | (fd0) /dev/fd0 |
| 03:10.44 | mickeyks | (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 03:10.44 | dan2 | !sanitize |
| 03:10.52 | dan2 | hmm |
| 03:10.54 | mickeyks | my root filesystem being /dev/hda1 |
| 03:11.06 | mdh | mickeyks: I'm on #flood if you want to cut & paste big stuff |
| 03:11.13 | dan2 | mickeyks: stop smoking crack and read the directions |
| 03:11.16 | Guerin | IN NZ, at least, there are regulations which mean that you should never have to lift anything heavier than 10kg unless "heavy lifting" is explicitly stated in your contract. |
| 03:11.31 | mickeyks | dan2: please kill yourself |
| 03:11.40 | Guerin | simonrvn: so even your 50lb unix manual would be deemed a workplace hazard in NZ... |
| 03:11.44 | dan2 | mickeyks: Im already dead |
| 03:11.54 | mdh | mickeyks: so long as hda is the drive you want to boot off, you're fine |
| 03:11.55 | mickeyks | mdh: ok, next time, i have nothing more to paste now though |
| 03:12.06 | simonrvn | heh |
| 03:12.13 | pseubodot | and by the by, shouldn't it be "* dpkg beats <%s> with a small 50 lb Unix manual" ? |
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| 03:12.24 | mickeyks | mdh: so update-grub then |
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| 03:12.35 | simonrvn | pseubodot: ? |
| 03:13.11 | Bill | simonrvn how easy is it 2 get mysql set up on debian? |
| 03:13.14 | mdh | mickeyks: yes. update-grub is a script the debian maintainer wrote to automatically generate the /etc/boot/grub/menu.lst file, which is the nice boot menu grub can give (it's actually not necessary, just makes things easier) |
| 03:13.16 | pseubodot | simonrvn: I seem to remember the expression being phrased that way: "... smacks %s with a small 50 lb Unix manual" |
| 03:13.24 | dan2 | simonrvn: Ill compromise with you, lets choose a 2 ton unix manual |
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| 03:13.27 | simonrvn | Bill: why are you asking me? |
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| 03:13.36 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:13.40 | elements | Is it possible to send ctrl+alt+delete via minicom? |
| 03:13.46 | elements | Ive redirected console output in BIOS |
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| 03:13.52 | simonrvn | @tell Bill -about ask |
| 03:14.10 | Bill | simonrvn becuase I wuv u very much. |
| 03:14.13 | mdh | mickeyks: in the README.Debian are instructions on hooking update-grub into kernel-package so its automaticallly run if you install a new kernel .deb |
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| 03:15.06 | simonrvn | Bill: hehe |
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| 03:15.08 | mdh | mickeyks: note that this just screws with the menu file, so the worst that will happen is the menu gets horked. from the grub menu though you can always drop to a console to manually boot (with tab completion etc) :) |
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| 03:15.12 | alex | net |
| 03:15.16 | Bill | aighty anybody know if its easy to install mysql on debian? is it just an apt get? |
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| 03:15.41 | mdh | Bill: apt-cache search mysql |
| 03:15.42 | simonrvn | Bill: yes it is. just need to set up a passwd for the root mysql user, and that's it |
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| 03:15.54 | Den | Bill: apt-get install mysql maybe? |
| 03:16.02 | simonrvn | mysql-server mysql-client |
| 03:16.10 | mwilson | mdh: Not to interrupt, but I'm sitting here playing with this... why do I now have /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 03:16.13 | bsims | Hrm anyone else notice KDE's menu translucency is screwed up? |
| 03:16.33 | mickeyks | mdh: so /dev/hda1=hd0,1 ? |
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| 03:16.54 | elements | Is it possible to teach bios, grub or whichever is concerned that a BREAK should be the equivalent of ctrl+alt+del? :) |
| 03:17.03 | mdh | mickeyks: yes. (hd0,1) in fact (the parenthesis are important) |
| 03:17.42 | netsplit | elements: try looking in /etc/inittab . |
| 03:17.55 | Bill | den and mdh I search mysql and I couldnt find anything that looked like a simple mysql install.... |
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| 03:18.16 | Bill | opps |
| 03:18.20 | Bill | only searched msql |
| 03:18.22 | Bill | hehe |
| 03:18.26 | elements | netsplit: Ok, will do |
| 03:18.30 | mdh | mickeyks: wait... (hd0,0) is /dev/hda1 (brain fart, sorry) |
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| 03:19.10 | Bill | how did u do that in red? |
| 03:19.22 | Guerin | Bill: You talkin' to me? |
| 03:19.25 | Bill | yep |
| 03:19.36 | Guerin | I didn't do it in red, I did it in green |
| 03:19.51 | zl2tod | /me does it in purple |
| 03:19.52 | Bill | ... |
| 03:19.55 | mdh | Bill: your irc client may be highlighting lines with your nick in them |
| 03:20.36 | Guerin | ?? |
| 03:20.39 | mickeyks | mdh well then that's it i guess, i should just reboot? |
| 03:20.54 | Bill | mdh ohyeah |
| 03:20.55 | Guerin | Bill: your metaphors are not filthy enough for me to understannd |
| 03:21.01 | Bill | mysql-common - mysql database common files (e.g. /etc/mysql/my.cnf) |
| 03:21.03 | Bill | does that look good? |
| 03:21.16 | Guerin | Bill: I don't know, does it? |
| 03:22.06 | mdh | mickeyks: sure. but before you do, perhaps run grub-floppy to create a grub rescue disk; and check out that menu.lst file |
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| 03:22.27 | rich_ | Hello |
| 03:22.29 | mickeyks | mdh: getting a floppy right now isn't possible |
| 03:22.34 | Guerin | !hi rich_ |
| 03:22.34 | dpkg | Many greetings, rich_, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 03:22.45 | rich_ | :) |
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| 03:23.19 | mdh | mickeyks: everything in that menu.lst file that's not a comment is a valid command to the grub shell... its got semi-useful help builtin but still nice to see how in order the boot process works |
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| 03:23.56 | bsims | Hrm anyone else have KDE stop doing translucency correctly? |
| 03:24.10 | mdh | mickeyks: it comes in handy when you wish to edit an existing menu entry before boot to eg boot with different kernel options |
| 03:24.36 | mickeyks | mdh: ok, i'll try it now. if it doesn't work, i'll mess with it more tomorrow. thanks. |
| 03:24.40 | dan2 | peterS: hey |
| 03:24.50 | peterS | ahoy, dan2 |
| 03:24.56 | bsims | Hrm thats odd kdm loads openbox when I try to run gnome, any ideas why? |
| 03:25.20 | mdh | mickeyks: the short is, you specify the root filesystem with "root", the kernel and its command-line options with "kernel", then "boot" to actually boot it |
| 03:25.33 | mdh | dang |
| 03:25.57 | dan2 | peterS: mm ObjC can be used nicely with a garbage collector by using -lobjc_gc -lgc as ldflags instead of -lobjc :) |
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| 03:26.21 | dan2 | peterS: that way no code changes have to be made to accomodate the garbage collector :) |
| 03:26.26 | peterS | dan2: so I hear. I have no idea if objc garbage collecting is useful or practical, though |
| 03:26.27 | mdh | nnnggg... mwilson disappeared too. I got distracted by work and could't answer his q |
| 03:26.41 | peterS | dan2: if you say so |
| 03:27.06 | dan2 | peterS: garbage collecting makes sense for a large project |
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| 03:27.36 | bsims | Hrm thats odd kdm loads openbox when I try to run gnome, any ideas why? |
| 03:27.55 | Guerin | !tell bsims about repeat |
| 03:27.58 | dan2 | peterS: I am going to write the SIP server in ObjC |
| 03:27.59 | FieldySnuts | !spank |
| 03:28.03 | netsplit | mdh: isn't work annoying? it distracts one from the real business of irc, and is no fun to boot. |
| 03:28.15 | dan2 | !spank FieldySnuts |
| 03:28.16 | Guerin | bsims: check your kdm config files |
| 03:28.24 | peterS | dan2: you do that. there aren't any good SIP servers out there already? |
| 03:28.36 | dan2 | peterS: they all suck in their own ways |
| 03:28.41 | Guerin | bsims: and maybe ask in #debian-kde, #kde and in #gnome on irc.gimp.org |
| 03:28.48 | dan2 | peterS: I am going to fork partysip |
| 03:28.58 | FieldySnuts | :P |
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| 03:29.10 | mdh | netsplit: yeah. bastards. but at least it pays the rent ;) |
| 03:29.19 | peterS | dan2: if you're starting with an existing codebase, how does it make sense to switch implementation languages? |
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| 03:30.03 | dan2 | peterS: ok let me stop for a moment and explain |
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| 03:30.46 | dan2 | peterS: I wrote the test SIP client in ObjC which will be the base for the SIP server, I was going to fork partysip so I could use its module interfacing :) |
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| 03:30.57 | FieldySnuts | !medal dan2 |
| 03:31.09 | dan2 | !lart FieldySnuts |
| 03:31.16 | Guerin | FieldySnuts: that medal randomiser is pretty astute... |
| 03:31.41 | dan2 | peterS: maybe fork isn't the right word |
| 03:31.44 | netsplit | pardon me dan2 and peterS but what's SIP? |
| 03:31.50 | simonrvn | Guerin: hehe |
| 03:32.06 | dan2 | !+SIP |
| 03:32.06 | dpkg | i heard sip is Session Initiation Protocol. It allows you to make phone calls over the internet securely |
| 03:32.10 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:32.17 | netsplit | ok thanks. |
| 03:32.31 | peterS | yah, I forgot what it stood for |
| 03:32.47 | dan2 | !no, sip is Session Initiation Protocol. |
| 03:32.54 | dan2 | dpkg: no, sip is Session Initiation Protocol. |
| 03:33.07 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 03:33.12 | peterS | dan2: what was wrong with the original factoid? |
| 03:33.22 | dan2 | peterS: it doesn't make secure calls |
| 03:33.23 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:33.38 | peterS | dan2: pardon me, then, but what *does* it do? |
| 03:33.41 | dan2 | peterS: since when has RTP ever been secure? |
| 03:33.48 | simonrvn | !sip ~= s/ It allows you to make phone calls over the internet securely// |
| 03:33.53 | dan2 | peterS: makes internet telephone calls |
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| 03:34.11 | simonrvn | !sip =~ s/ It allows you to make phone calls over the internet securely// |
| 03:34.11 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'sip', simonrvn |
| 03:34.23 | dan2 | !+SIP |
| 03:34.23 | dpkg | sip is probably Session Initiation Protocol. |
| 03:34.24 | simonrvn | dpkg: kiss off |
| 03:34.27 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:34.31 | peterS | dan2: then say so. expanding the acronym, in this case, gives people very little information. nobody could make a leap of information from 'session initiation protocol' to phone calls |
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| 03:34.58 | Guerin | ! :E |
| 03:34.58 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
| 03:35.06 | Guerin | and with that, i'm off to work |
| 03:35.24 | dan2 | dpkg: sip is also the way to initiate telephone calls over the internet also known as VoIP, it signals a remote end on port 5060 and begins sending RTP streams |
| 03:35.24 | dpkg | dan2: okay |
| 03:35.29 | dan2 | peterS: better? |
| 03:35.54 | peterS | dan2: that's better, yeah |
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| 03:36.27 | Moose- | Anyone here familiar with AWStats? Trying to get a few things to work.. that simply aren't working. I've read all the docs, but still no go. |
| 03:36.39 | dan2 | cafuego: if you think my code is bad, look at bob2's :) |
| 03:36.48 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 03:39.32 | sbalneav | I can't seem to install evolution on my sid box because it depends on libsoup2.0-0, which doesn't seem to exist. Temporary borkage, or enemy action? |
| 03:39.47 | sbalneav | mmm soup |
| 03:39.50 | dan2 | sbalneav: I am not sure, but I think that is a known bug, check the bts |
| 03:40.01 | rich_ | My codes so pretty. Its not very sophisticated but its sure easy to read |
| 03:40.06 | peterS | sbalneav: probably temporary b0rkage |
| 03:40.13 | sbalneav | couldn't find anything on my first search, I'll try again. |
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| 03:40.16 | peterS | sbalneav: the gnome2.6 transition is pretty much over, but there are probably a few aftershocks |
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| 03:40.37 | peterS | sbalneav: OTOH, the archive admins *are* out to get you |
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| 03:41.14 | dan2 | peterS: I have never been much for gnome or kde |
| 03:42.20 | FieldySnuts | !abuse bloated guis |
| 03:42.58 | netsplit | !abuse dpkg |
| 03:43.13 | dan2 | peterS: evolution has almost as many bugs as dpkg |
| 03:43.20 | peterS | netsplit: how clever and original |
| 03:43.30 | netsplit | sorry :P |
| 03:43.31 | sbalneav | We'll if they're coming for me, I hope the soup they bring is borcht, 'cuz that's my favorite. :) |
| 03:43.32 | FieldySnuts | @say dpkg: blow me |
| 03:43.35 | ravenbird | dpkg: blow me |
| 03:43.38 | peterS | dan2: it *is* trying to emulate Microsoft Outlook |
| 03:43.49 | peterS | dan2: kind of hard to put on a convincing emulation of *that* without a few good bugs |
| 03:43.55 | dan2 | peterS: even with security holes in mind |
| 03:43.56 | dan2 | :) |
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| 03:44.15 | peterS | dan2: yeah, a couple good security holes would be even better |
| 03:44.32 | mdh | evolution is nowhere near as bad as LookOut! |
| 03:44.32 | dan2 | peterS: I suspect outlook doesn't have any FTBFS bugs tho :) |
| 03:45.12 | mdh | dan2: it does on all architectures except ia32 ;) |
| 03:45.14 | peterS | dan2: oh, I dunno. I wouldn't be *at all* surprised it outlook failed to autobuild and the MS people had to handle some crap by hand each time they released patches and service packs |
| 03:45.26 | FieldySnuts | ~lart test |
| 03:45.27 | dan2 | peterS: :) |
| 03:45.37 | FieldySnuts | one of those from apt makes you use OE heh |
| 03:45.48 | FieldySnuts | pretty mean |
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| 03:46.17 | dan2 | mdh: hehe |
| 03:46.36 | peterS | FieldySnuts: oh, I dunno, I figure making you use evolution or kmail or incredimail would be kind of mean-spirited too |
| 03:46.46 | FieldySnuts | no thanks |
| 03:46.53 | FieldySnuts | telnet whatever 110 works for me |
| 03:47.12 | dan2 | peterS: I think the most punishment is making someone use an emacs mail reader when they have more than 3000 messages in their mailbox |
| 03:47.15 | dan2 | peterS: :) |
| 03:48.05 | peterS | dan2: been there, done that. 700 messages was where it started to get really annoying, IIRC. but this would have been on an old Alpha 20164 or something, hardly today's hardware |
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| 03:48.35 | dan2 | peterS: 3000 messages is the equivalent |
| 03:48.37 | thepuppetmaster | hi |
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| 03:48.49 | dan2 | peterS: the emacs byte compiler hasn't gotten that much faster :) |
| 03:48.56 | thepuppetmaster | anyone could tell me if debian has support for the speedtouch adsl modem? |
| 03:49.02 | peterS | dan2: no, but the hardware has |
| 03:49.05 | dan2 | peterS: defacto, python would be a shit load faster |
| 03:49.07 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:49.19 | redbat | hello! can someone help me, please? |
| 03:49.31 | peterS | thepuppetmaster: recent Linux kernels support speedtouch models with the 'speedtch' driver |
| 03:49.39 | redbat | I'm having problems while instaling debian :( |
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| 03:49.57 | thepuppetmaster | peterS, yes, but im having lots of problems configuring |
| 03:49.59 | mwilson | mdh: Well, I played with it, it doesn't work, I'm back to lilo. :) |
| 03:50.01 | peterS | thepuppetmaster: so it's just a matter of using kernel 2.4.22 or newer |
| 03:50.03 | mdh | that's what we all need... a new operating system written in python instead of elisp |
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| 03:50.15 | thepuppetmaster | i wanted to know if debian has a package |
| 03:50.24 | simonrvn | @tell redbat -about ask |
| 03:50.32 | simonrvn | !tell redbat -about smart questions |
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| 03:50.44 | peterS | thepuppetmaster: debian unstable / testing have kernel packages of all recent kernels |
| 03:50.50 | mdh | mwilson: what did you have probs with? I know there's issues with some raid devices and booting some unimportant os's like *bsd ;) |
| 03:50.54 | peterS | thepuppetmaster: debian stable, being a couple years old now, only has 2.4.18 |
| 03:51.05 | thepuppetmaster | aaah ok |
| 03:51.12 | mwilson | mdh: I get error 15, like I always do. |
| 03:51.16 | redbat | I'm trying to install debian directly on scsi hdd (1Gb) |
| 03:51.19 | mwilson | less device.map |
| 03:51.21 | mwilson | ack |
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| 03:51.33 | redbat | it's a bit older scsi-2 pci controller.. |
| 03:51.34 | thepuppetmaster | peterS, but, they have packages for configuring? |
| 03:51.34 | dan2 | peterS: I think we should move to an emacsen written in clisp |
| 03:51.38 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:51.48 | redbat | debian instalation dont recognize my hdd |
| 03:51.57 | redbat | doesnt :p |
| 03:51.58 | thepuppetmaster | peterS, compiling the module is easy, the difficul is to configure and find the correct tools to do it |
| 03:52.01 | peterS | dan2: elisp is customised for editor functions, clisp isn't |
| 03:52.06 | simonrvn | redbat: you might just need to modprobe the driver. and get yourself a kernel with the driver built in |
| 03:52.11 | thepuppetmaster | i wanted to know if debian had some pre-configured package |
| 03:52.18 | mwilson | mdh: It's amusing that grub install creates constructs that look like this: |
| 03:52.18 | tcsetattr | redbat, you probably need to select the controller from the driver list |
| 03:52.20 | peterS | dan2: you'd have to write a lot of compatibility crap on top of clisp to get a halfway usable platform to build emacs on |
| 03:52.20 | mwilson | root (hd0,0) |
| 03:52.20 | mwilson | kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/hde3 ro |
| 03:52.31 | mwilson | Am I the only one that sees what's wrong with that? |
| 03:52.39 | peterS | thepuppetmaster: as I said, debian stable has 2.4.18, debian unstable has newer packages |
| 03:52.44 | simonrvn | redbat: and possibly feed the installer an extra driver floppy or something (if you're using woody boot floppies) |
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| 03:53.21 | mdh | mwilson: do you have / on /dev/hde3 ? :) |
| 03:53.27 | redbat | I've seen that option (install modules from floppy), but I dont have those modules--- |
| 03:53.35 | mwilson | mdh: Of course. |
| 03:53.39 | peterS | thepuppetmaster: if you install 'kernel-package', 'build-essential' and 'libncurses5-dev', you can build kernel packages |
| 03:53.49 | tcsetattr | it's hard to see how hd0,0 means hde3 |
| 03:54.08 | mwilson | Don't look at ME... I didn't create it. |
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| 03:54.35 | peterS | tcsetattr: it doesn't. but that's perfectly valid if /boot != / |
| 03:54.38 | netsplit | mwilson: are you pointing to the fact that root has hd0,0 while kernel uses root=/dev/hde3 (different partitions) as being weird? |
| 03:55.15 | |QuaD| | question... if i have 2 ethernet cards... 2 lines going in, is it hard to bridge them into one connection? (i don't have it now, predicting for later) |
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| 03:55.21 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.26 | simonrvn | redbat: you might need to make a custom boot floppy set if none of the modules work |
| 03:56.02 | mdh | tcsetattr: "root" is where grub can expect to find its second-stage files |
| 03:56.02 | mdh | tcsetattr: so it can then load in the appropriate fs module to find the kernel |
| 03:56.02 | mdh | tcsetattr: nothing to do with the root filesystem for the os its going to boot |
| 03:56.02 | mdh | iirc |
| 03:56.02 | peterS | mwilson: well, hde1 == hd0,0 only if the BIOS detects hde before any other hard drives. but other than that, looks fine |
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| 03:56.07 | LSorensen | mwilson: if hde is the first HD in the system, then grub should be fine with that |
| 03:56.08 | simonrvn | tcsetattr: you'd think hde1 would be hd0,0 |
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| 03:56.24 | simonrvn | uh, whatever |
| 03:56.34 | FieldySnuts | @spank simonrvn |
| 03:56.38 | simonrvn | what peterS said |
| 03:56.41 | mwilson | It's not going to find the kernels OR the second-stage loader with it laid out like that. |
| 03:56.45 | tcsetattr | well that's a funny way of defining "root" (an already overloaded word) |
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| 03:56.50 | mdh | gah |
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| 03:57.00 | simonrvn | mdh: i'll guess lag |
| 03:57.06 | LSorensen | mwilson: I usually put a symlink of boot -> . in /boot to make grub happy |
| 03:57.13 | mwilson | grub-install created /boot/boot/grub ... amusing, but not useful. |
| 03:57.25 | mdh | no, I was typing something helpful, didn't notice the kick until after the message went nowhere |
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| 03:58.06 | peterS | mwilson: /boot/boot isn't a symlink to /boot? that's the usual way to do these things, so as to cover both cases |
| 03:58.12 | peterS | mwilson: I mean, /boot/boot -> . |
| 03:58.31 | tcsetattr | what "both cases"? why is there a "/boot/boot" case at all? |
| 03:58.32 | mdh | mwilson: the menu.lst defaults to (hd0,0) for "root" if you don't edit it before running update-grub |
| 03:59.00 | mwilson | peterS: No, it's not a symlink. |
| 03:59.02 | peterS | tcsetattr: well, if you specify '/boot' in your menu.lst, and have that symlink, it works whether or not /boot is a separate partition |
| 03:59.16 | mdh | the /boot/boot thing is strange, haven't seen it before. |
| 03:59.26 | tcsetattr | bah, grub should look at the root, parse fstab, and figure it out :) |
| 03:59.28 | mwilson | I remember why I disliked grub so much... it's insanely complicated for no gain. |
| 03:59.38 | simonrvn | Randal said it would be tough to do in sed. He didn't say he didn't understand sed. Randal understands sed quite well. Which is why he uses Perl. :-) -- Larry Wall in <7874@jpl-devvax.JPL.NASA.GOV> |
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| 03:59.58 | netsplit | tcsetattr: well you've got to specify root or it wouldn't be able to find fstab. |
| 03:59.59 | mwilson | I did grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda |
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| 04:00.09 | mwilson | Which is what the docs you pointed to instruct. |
| 04:00.11 | mdh | boot loaders aren't such a big deal anyway... normally you should hardly ever see one :) |
| 04:00.11 | peterS | mwilson: sure there's gain. you can boot the Hurd! |
| 04:00.21 | netsplit | mwilson: if you did grub-install /dev/hda it would probably do it right. |
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| 04:00.43 | redbat | dos recognised my scsi hdd, but debian instalation doesnt. please how exactly do I make floppy with those modules that you're talking about? |
| 04:00.59 | simonrvn | redbat: M$-DOs is another OS |
| 04:01.03 | mdh | mwilson: file a bug, because grub has done the wrong thing there imo |
| 04:01.05 | simonrvn | s/s/S/ |
| 04:01.12 | netsplit | mwilson: grub installs to /boot/grub to the partition you designate as root-directory iirc, so if you designate it as /boot, then it gets installed to /boot/boot/grub. |
| 04:01.15 | redbat | somon, wow |
| 04:01.18 | dan2 | mwilson: its much easier to boot BSDs and Hurd and other kernels and loaders with grub than lilo |
| 04:01.22 | mwilson | mdh: Not worth the trouble. |
| 04:01.32 | simonrvn | @tell redbat -about ig |
| 04:01.34 | mdh | mwilson: be it a programming bug or a documentation bug |
| 04:01.40 | simonrvn | !tell redbat -about ig |
| 04:01.46 | mdh | fair enoguh, I'll talk to jason later myself and let him know |
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| 04:02.22 | redbat | hey, simon saise : I've tryed all that god damn |
| 04:02.23 | dan2 | mwilson: regardless, lilo is deprecated now in favor of grub. Somewhere on d-b I think joey hess made this statement. |
| 04:02.40 | simonrvn | netsplit: the docs are fucking confusing and wrong then. i could never grok grub |
| 04:02.49 | mwilson | dan2: Yes, I'm aware of that. Please don't ask me how unimpressed I am in general with d-i, we'll be here all night. |
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| 04:03.32 | mdh | simonrvn: I didn't particularly find the official documentation all that useful either :( |
| 04:03.46 | mdh | and it is a completely different system to lilo |
| 04:03.47 | dan2 | mwilson: speak about how unimpressed you are with modconf |
| 04:03.51 | dan2 | mwilson: its more interesting |
| 04:04.00 | mwilson | heh... it created exactly the same menu.lst as I got with specifying --root-directory, 'cept it didn't create the additional directory level. |
| 04:04.02 | redbat | mdh, it's really nice and big, but people still have problems |
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| 04:04.43 | mwilson | dan2: I'm not sure what I'm going to do when Sarge is released, if d-i is the only alternative. |
| 04:04.54 | redbat | I wouldnt be here asking for help if I had found something in faq that is helpful in my specific case |
| 04:04.54 | mdh | mwilson: the default menu.lst is a sample, the rEADME.Debian says to edit it before running update-grub |
| 04:05.12 | simonrvn | mdh: see i'm a very n00bish user when it comes to non-ppc, i have better luck with sparcs thani do with x86, and even with like 2-3 other people helping me, i could never get grub to work. i read and re-read those docs, and i still couldn't get it |
| 04:05.17 | dan2 | mwilson: you can download a knoppix cd and run debootstrap from that |
| 04:05.25 | mdh | mwilson: is d-i the whole system on those new iso's, or some particular component? |
| 04:05.26 | mwilson | mdh: Well, apparently you're on a first-name basis with the maintainer... tell him that his README is worthless. |
| 04:05.46 | netsplit | mwilson: well of course it created the same menu.lst ... all the changed is that you installed grub to a different partition. The information about what grub should do after it finds menu.lst hasn't changed. |
| 04:05.58 | redbat | IBM scsi controlers are compatible with adaptec? |
| 04:06.04 | mwilson | netsplit: No, I installed it to exactly the same partition. |
| 04:06.09 | dan2 | mwilson: Robert Millan is nyu in debian-devel, Im sure he would like to speak with you :) |
| 04:06.20 | netsplit | mwilson: ok, same partition, but different location. |
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| 04:06.28 | dan2 | mwilson: he is the maintainer for grub :) |
| 04:06.39 | mwilson | dan2: I know who the maintainer is. |
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| 04:06.44 | mdh | comaintainer |
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| 04:06.58 | mdh | jason is one here sometimes too as "freddy" |
| 04:06.59 | mwilson | At least lilo has intelligible documentation. |
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| 04:07.08 | redbat | I have theese choises: adaptec 151x,152x - adaptec 1542 - adaptec 274x,284x. But, there are some arguments that I dont know |
| 04:07.09 | FieldySnuts | !whine mwilson |
| 04:07.12 | dan2 | mdh: nah, the whole package design was written by nyu |
| 04:07.15 | mwilson | heh |
| 04:07.36 | dan2 | mdh: I think he sponsored Jason in with it |
| 04:07.37 | redbat | iobase[,irq[,scsi-id[,reconnect]]] |
| 04:07.38 | dan2 | but I am not sure |
| 04:07.55 | mwilson | Nah, not whining. You can't say "grub sucks" (or anything sucks), unless you've tried it. Now I've tried it. Again. |
| 04:08.02 | lost3G | I just deleted a 2.8G file but I didn't get the space back. Is "fsck" a good command to get the space back? |
| 04:08.04 | redbat | or iobase[,buson,busoff[,dmaspeed]] |
| 04:08.17 | Nurbs | lost3G: what FS? |
| 04:08.47 | lost3G | ext2 |
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| 04:08.47 | Nurbs | lost3G: might some app have that file still open? |
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| 04:08.47 | mdh | dan2: iirc Jason brought him in as co-maintainer because he was getting a *lot* of useful stuff from Robert, and it just made things easier. |
| 04:08.49 | quantillis | tcsetattrib, you still here? |
| 04:08.50 | tcsetattr | redbat, what model is your card specifically? |
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| 04:08.51 | lost3G | Nurbs: wait, is ext3 |
| 04:08.53 | peterS | lost3G: were there applications using the file? |
| 04:09.05 | dan2 | mdh: hmm ok |
| 04:09.14 | lost3G | Nurbs: ah, ok, is mysql.log ... |
| 04:09.20 | Nurbs | yay :) |
| 04:09.23 | redbat | thanx for nothing |
| 04:09.26 | dan2 | mdh: if you look at the build system, it was written by Robert Millan, he also is part of the grub development team |
| 04:09.30 | akusarujin | is everyone aware of the evolution problem in sid regarding dependencies? |
| 04:09.31 | Nurbs | lost3G: restart mysql (or maybe reload suffices) |
| 04:09.42 | peterS | lost3G: if there were applications using the file, then they will continue to use it and you won't get the space back until the apps all close it |
| 04:09.56 | Nurbs | akusarujin: no :) |
| 04:10.13 | peterS | lost3G: that's a fundamental, and very useful, difference between Unix and Windows |
| 04:10.14 | lost3G | you're right! I stopped mysqld and got the space back! |
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| 04:10.51 | akusarujin | hmmm.. i think there is a bug report that kindof covers it <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=251803> except it also fails when trying to install it from a binary package, "evolution: Depends: libsoup2.0-0 (>= 1.99.26) but it is not installable" |
| 04:11.01 | Nurbs | one annoying thing I notice with XFS and my kernel recently is that space often takes some time to be freed after I delete files, hmm |
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| 04:12.52 | Nurbs | akusarujin: what's your problem, though? :) |
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| 04:13.14 | ArchChaos | So anyone remember the util for convert ext2 to ext3? |
| 04:13.19 | rich_ | Nurbs Yes but thats a good thing. See xfs was made for big servers and so it makes liberal use of cacheing and it puts the most frequently accessed files on the fastest sectors. The tradeoff is that its slow to release sectors |
| 04:13.23 | Nurbs | ArchChaos: tune2fs? |
| 04:13.35 | arauko | what is the line i need to include to download unbstable pkgs in woddy? |
| 04:13.58 | akusarujin | Nurbs: that's my problem, it fails to install the package due to broken dependencies, i put the error in quotes |
| 04:14.00 | Nurbs | rich_: I'd like to have some sync util for it, though :) I think I've been waiting half an hour once |
| 04:14.05 | maher | akusarujin: try backports.org |
| 04:14.15 | akusarujin | Nurbs: it expects libsoup2.0 but debian has 2.2 i think |
| 04:14.24 | akusarujin | in the sid repository i mean |
| 04:14.39 | maher | akusarujin: you probably don't want to do that |
| 04:14.45 | rich_ | Nurbs Yes, thats too long. |
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| 04:15.06 | Nurbs | akusarujin: add the testing repository to your sources.list |
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| 04:15.46 | redbat_ | tcsetattr, controller is ibm scsi-2 fast pci adapter (from 1994) |
| 04:16.10 | arauko | what is the line i need to include to download unbstable pkgs in woddy? |
| 04:16.25 | redbat_ | tcsetattr, and hdd is ibm 1 gb scsi.. |
| 04:16.37 | Nurbs | arauko: you want to upgrade to unstable or just use some packages? |
| 04:16.55 | peterS | redbat_: what controller would that be? what does 'grep SCSI /proc/pci' say about it? |
| 04:17.11 | Nurbs | arauko: using sid packages in woody is a bad idea. you can try to find some backports, though (backports.org, apt-get.org) |
| 04:17.35 | Snadder | anyone know why my system gets very slow when I copy something to my hd.. running badblock test.. actually doing anything which makes the hd work for some time.. |
| 04:17.54 | Nurbs | Snadder: possibly no DMA turned on |
| 04:17.54 | maher | Snadder: use hdparm to check youhave dma set |
| 04:18.32 | zoid | anyone know what this error means: ?: Warning Linux Bus mapping botch. |
| 04:18.46 | Nurbs | zoid: context? |
| 04:18.52 | hlen | is there a terminal which supports a non-wrapping mode with an horizontal scrollbar, or something to that effect? |
| 04:19.01 | zoid | Nurbs: trying to access my usb cdrw drive |
| 04:19.05 | ArchChaos | thx |
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| 04:20.23 | Nurbs | zoid: any further errors? |
| 04:20.33 | redbat_ | peterS, I dont know about that... |
| 04:20.33 | arauko | Nurbs, i only want to use one package from unstable |
| 04:20.56 | zoid | Nurbs: nope |
| 04:20.56 | Nurbs | arauko: then check out the sites or create a backport yourself |
| 04:20.57 | maher | arauko: that is exactly what backports.org is for |
| 04:21.05 | peterS | redbat_: I ask because I'm not aware of IBM making any PCI SCSI adapters. they did rebadge one or two from other vendors, though |
| 04:21.19 | redbat_ | peterS, it's from 1994! |
| 04:21.30 | peterS | redbat_: so if you can run "grep SCSI /proc/pci" that might tell me what chip it is so I can tell you what driver it uses |
| 04:21.44 | arauko | maher, i got this line = deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable all |
| 04:21.47 | maher | zoid: what kernel |
| 04:21.49 | peterS | redbat_: yeah, and in 1994 IBM was still clinging to what was left of Micro Channel (: |
| 04:21.55 | arauko | maher, does that line include the unstable packages? |
| 04:21.56 | zoid | maher: 2.4.24 |
| 04:22.00 | maher | arauko: go look at backports.org |
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| 04:22.24 | zoid | maher & Nurbs: this is from dmesg -> WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured |
| 04:22.27 | maher | zoid: hmm... dunno |
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| 04:22.45 | somian | zoid: that's always said by usb. |
| 04:22.46 | maher | zoid: that's probably harmless - do things show up in lsusb |
| 04:22.48 | Nurbs | zoid: one can probably ignore that 8) |
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| 04:22.59 | redbat_ | peterS, so are you telling me that I can kiss that good bye on linux ): ? |
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| 04:23.16 | peterS | redbat_: you're not listening, are you? |
| 04:23.18 | Nurbs | redbat_: no, he's telling you to figure out what chip it has :) |
| 04:23.27 | peterS | redbat_: I told you what to run, so that I could possibly identify your chip |
| 04:23.37 | maher | redbat_: what part of use lspci do you not understand? |
| 04:23.41 | redbat_ | chip: CF64977PCM |
| 04:23.42 | peterS | redbat_: I didn't ask you to repeat that it was from 1994 - that tells me very little |
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| 04:24.07 | redbat_ | fcc id: anokw32g3100 |
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| 04:24.22 | redbat_ | fru: 53g0382 |
| 04:24.35 | trust` | Debian isn't Knoppix? Now that's a chock... |
| 04:24.40 | trust` | </sarcasm> |
| 04:24.46 | peterS | redbat_: those numbers don't tell me much either, although the last one at least I recognise as being an IBM part number |
| 04:24.46 | zoid | maher: everything but the cdrw drive shows up in lsusb |
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| 04:24.46 | redbat_ | and imb part number is... 06H6039 |
| 04:24.59 | peterS | redbat_: I told you how to get the information I wanted. grep SCSI /proc/pci |
| 04:25.01 | tcsetattr | I get the feeling redbat is very lagged, and that's why he's answering stuff from 5 minutes ago and stuff that was never asked. |
| 04:25.15 | peterS | tcsetattr: possibly |
| 04:25.23 | maher | zoid: do you have all the modules loaded? |
| 04:25.26 | tcsetattr | but he just pinged at 0 seconds :/ |
| 04:25.34 | tcsetattr | must be brain lag |
| 04:25.39 | zoid | maher: yeah, this just started happening...it was working fine a few days ago |
| 04:25.41 | redbat_ | I'm sorry, but I AM a beginner.. |
| 04:25.57 | maher | zoid: what did you change? |
| 04:26.09 | zoid | maher: heh, nothing at all |
| 04:26.26 | maher | zoid: try restarting hotplug |
| 04:26.55 | redbat_ | so, peterS, when you attack me with grep SCSI /proc/pci, I even don't know what that is |
| 04:26.59 | redbat_ | :) |
| 04:27.07 | zoid | maher: still nothing :/ |
| 04:27.17 | peterS | redbat_: it's a command you should run. it will print something out. I wanna know what it prints out |
| 04:27.23 | tcsetattr | redbat, that's a command you type at the prompt, and report back what it says. |
| 04:27.29 | maher | zoid: ok - i dunno - try loading the modules manually and see what errors they give |
| 04:27.31 | tcsetattr | you don't have to think about it, just do it |
| 04:27.39 | Snadder | seems like dma is off on all my hd's.. |
| 04:27.46 | redbat_ | linux command? |
| 04:28.00 | tcsetattr | good guess! |
| 04:28.01 | mwilson | mdh: Hey, while I was out messing around, did you ever get mickeyks hooked back up? |
| 04:28.02 | Snadder | must be something i've forgot to compile into the kernel.. |
| 04:28.06 | Nurbs | redbat_: yes, execute it from the installer disk (hopefully it's got grep?) |
| 04:28.07 | maher | Snadder: use hdparm to turn it on |
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| 04:28.47 | redbat_ | where can I use it under setup? |
| 04:28.52 | Snadder | HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 04:28.58 | Snadder | wtf?.. |
| 04:29.01 | Nurbs | Snadder: could be a missing IDE controller driver (the generic one doesn't do DMA) or that you didn't tell it to turn DMA on boot |
| 04:29.03 | Snadder | I am root.. |
| 04:29.11 | Nurbs | Snadder: probably the former :) |
| 04:29.16 | Snadder | yeah. I guess |
| 04:29.17 | maher | Snadder: ok - maybe your kernel doesn't supprt it atm |
| 04:29.20 | arauko | anyone knows how to do backports??.. i need a package backported to stable... but seems like the back?port doesnt exist |
| 04:29.24 | Justin | Snadder: operation not permitted is NOT permission denied |
| 04:29.28 | Snadder | it happend after I installed 2.6.6 last week |
| 04:29.44 | peterS | redbat_: hit Alt-F2 and you will get a command prompt |
| 04:29.46 | mdh | mwilson: he gave one boot and had some probs, so popped back in to say he was too tired to fix them and will be back tomorrow |
| 04:29.50 | peterS | redbat_: then you can type the command |
| 04:29.51 | maher | Snadder: debian kernel or did you compile your own? |
| 04:29.53 | Nurbs | Snadder: so, check what driver you need. |
| 04:29.55 | peterS | redbat_: to get back to the installer, type Alt-F1 |
| 04:30.10 | mwilson | mdh: Ah. So he's still not 100%. Too bad. |
| 04:30.30 | redbat_ | tcsetattr and peterS thank you very much! i'll reboot ant try that.. see you in 5min, I hope |
| 04:30.32 | tcsetattr | redbat, you should feel lucky - if you were installing Linux on that machine when it was new (in 1994), you'd be expected to figure all this out for yourself :) |
| 04:30.42 | mdh | mwilson: :( yeah. he wouldn't say what the probs were either |
| 04:30.45 | peterS | !bless redbat_ |
| 04:30.46 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless our child redbat_, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 04:30.55 | Nurbs | hehe |
| 04:30.55 | redbat_ | thanx |
| 04:31.01 | Snadder | maher, I used apt-get to download the 2.6.6 source, and compiled my own kernel |
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| 04:31.19 | redbat_ | see ya |
| 04:31.21 | maher | Snadder: check the config to see if you compiled dma |
| 04:31.59 | mwilson | mdh: Man... whoever wrote this has NO clue how to write intelligibly |
| 04:32.13 | tcsetattr | did he mention _why_ he was trying to install Linux on a 10 year old machine? |
| 04:32.16 | Nurbs | Snadder: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI |
| 04:32.30 | mdh | mwilson: README.Debian in grub? hmmm.... |
| 04:32.32 | Nurbs | Snadder: also, you'll probably want CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO |
| 04:32.47 | Nurbs | Snadder: and, of course, a driver for your controller, otherwise it won't work |
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| 04:33.17 | Snadder | I dont have CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO |
| 04:33.21 | Supaplex | is it just me, or is apt-get.org dragging it's hind quarters? |
| 04:33.28 | mwilson | mdh: No, grub docs in general... I'm reading the web page |
| 04:33.37 | mwilson | tcsetattr: Because it was what he had. |
| 04:33.40 | AnvilPrime | apt-get.org runs on a gameboy/56k combo |
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| 04:33.52 | Nurbs | Snadder: what do you mean, you don't have it? :) |
| 04:34.01 | AnvilPrime | they really need to do something about their server |
| 04:34.04 | peterS | AnvilPrime: oh, they upgraded? |
| 04:34.05 | Snadder | I havent compiled the kernel with that option |
| 04:34.11 | Snadder | so I guess thats the problem:) |
| 04:34.11 | Supaplex | hahaa |
| 04:34.15 | mwilson | tcsetattr: He has it installed, he moved it to Sarge, etc. But the kernel is turning out to be a killer. |
| 04:34.17 | Nurbs | Snadder: ah, ok. no, it is not |
| 04:34.34 | Nurbs | Snadder: it would just automatically turn on DMA on boot, but you're probably missing the correct IDE driver |
| 04:34.42 | Nurbs | Snadder: otherwise you could still turn DMA on through hdparm |
| 04:34.44 | Snadder | ah.oke |
| 04:35.11 | Supaplex | is there another apt-get.org, apparently their 2k of ram can't serve me ;/ |
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| 04:35.45 | obscure | Whats the latest stable, most suggested kernel out there? |
| 04:36.09 | arauko | how do i download cds of debian unstable? |
| 04:36.16 | shadows | 2.6.6 imo |
| 04:36.19 | shadows | it rocks |
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| 04:36.26 | rich_ | obscure a lot of people say its too new, but what does that matter if it works? 2.6.6 |
| 04:36.28 | shadows | seems to have issues |
| 04:36.34 | shadows | 2.6.5 is pretty darn stable |
| 04:36.38 | shadows | had it on a box for 77 days |
| 04:36.40 | shadows | without issue |
| 04:36.41 | Nurbs | obscure: check www.kernel.org - many will recommend the latest 2.4, but others will tell you 2.6 |
| 04:36.50 | peterS | arauko: unstable changes too fast, there's little point in writing a CD image of it |
| 04:36.51 | Snadder | numist, this output from lspci decides what ide driver I want?.. IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801BA IDE U100 (rev 05) |
| 04:36.56 | mdh | mwilson: I never fully read the official doco, it came out of the box tainted by gnu info |
| 04:36.58 | Nurbs | I've had XFS corruption with 2.6.6, twice :) |
| 04:37.01 | peterS | arauko: apparently some unofficial ones exist, but you won't find official ones |
| 04:37.03 | AnvilPrime | 2.6... |
| 04:37.06 | mdh | arauko: jigdo |
| 04:37.06 | AnvilPrime | always 2.6 |
| 04:37.10 | shadows | XFS corruption in linux kernels is normal |
| 04:37.17 | mwilson | mdh: Well, this "find" thing is a joke. |
| 04:37.18 | shadows | we've been over this |
| 04:37.20 | obscure | thanks guys. |
| 04:37.22 | shadows | like 800 times |
| 04:37.23 | Nurbs | shadows: heh |
| 04:37.29 | numist | Snadder: what? |
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| 04:37.41 | Nurbs | one crash, too, hmm. |
| 04:37.45 | Snadder | numist, i'm not 100% sure which ide driver I should choose |
| 04:37.51 | rich_ | I dont remember haveing any xfs corruption. I mean its possible, just not a problem |
| 04:37.57 | numist | Snadder, I dont think you were talking to me before... |
| 04:38.02 | mwilson | mdh: It can't even find the stage1 file from the shell. |
| 04:38.08 | numist | try Nurbs |
| 04:38.09 | mwilson | mdh: No wonder it doesn't boot. |
| 04:38.12 | Snadder | ops.. sorry Nurbs |
| 04:38.17 | Nurbs | numist: hehe |
| 04:38.18 | Teakk | find /home/jason/public_html/ -name *.{php,html} <-- why would that be failing with 'paths must preceede expression' |
| 04:38.20 | elements | Should /dev/ide be populated if pdc202xx_new was loaded correctly? |
| 04:38.22 | numist | :) |
| 04:38.31 | arauko | mdh, jigdo? |
| 04:38.37 | rich_ | Maybe its because I dont compile any of the options for xfs, just xfs itself |
| 04:38.39 | elements | I cant seem to use my disks |
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| 04:38.49 | tcsetattr | Teakk, you need to use -name '*.php' -o -name '*.html' |
| 04:38.55 | Snadder | numist, the nick compleation fucked it all up;D |
| 04:38.57 | Nurbs | Snadder: I don't know, but I'd think Intel PIIX |
| 04:38.59 | arauko | peterS, so, the only way to obtain unstable is through woddy? |
| 04:39.00 | mwilson | grub> find /boot/grub/stage1 |
| 04:39.00 | mwilson | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.06 | mwilson | Except that's not where it is. |
| 04:39.12 | Snadder | Nurbs, ok.. what I thought too.. i'll try that |
| 04:39.17 | mdh | mwilson: you must set "root" correctly. leeme check my setup for a sec, I recall my /dev/hde is actually recognised as something different for grub purposes... |
| 04:39.25 | numist | Snadder: I figured as much, it gets really bad in here as theres someone else named Scott, and my client highlights that too :P |
| 04:39.26 | mwilson | It's in /boot/boot/grub/stage1 |
| 04:39.37 | peterS | arauko: the recommended way is to install sarge, with debian-installer, the upgrade |
| 04:39.43 | peterS | arauko: see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 04:40.12 | arauko | ok, thanks |
| 04:40.29 | Snadder | numist, yeah.. :p |
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| 04:41.29 | mdh | mwilson: okay.. in my /boot/grub/device.map it tells me /dev/hde is (hd0), hence I'll no doubt have "root (hd0,0)" in menu.lst |
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| 04:41.42 | Teakk | tcsetattr, thats not doing a recursive search...any ideas? |
| 04:41.49 | obscure | does anyone know the link to the ATI radeon 9800 Pro linux driver download? |
| 04:42.10 | Nurbs | Snadder: it most certainly is the correct driver :) |
| 04:42.11 | angeles | i've installed alsa via apt, configured it and got it working, but whenever i reboot my system the default emu10k1 loads and stops alsa from loading (device/resource busy), how do i stop this? |
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| 04:42.44 | mdh | mwilson: that /boot/boot/grub thing is going to cause you problems, it really should be /boot/grub |
| 04:42.49 | Nurbs | Snadder: did you enable the DMA on boot option, too? I'd recommend that, and any further hdparm config is probably not worth the hassle (except possibly for setting spindown times) |
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| 04:43.18 | mdh | mwilson: some of the old upstream grub stuff at least used to depend on hard-coded paths :O Jason did his best to either fix or work around that |
| 04:43.21 | Snadder | Nurbs, yeah.. i've enabled both those two options.. recompiling atm |
| 04:43.33 | mwilson | mdh: Oh, it has that... it's had that all along. That's what's so amusing. It put the stage one loader one place, and it expects to load it from a different place. |
| 04:43.52 | tcsetattr | Teakk, you must be mistaken. It takes special effort to make find _not_ recurse. |
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| 04:44.46 | Teakk | oh shit, I am mistaken...it didnt look like it was, but I have many a files there, and overlooked it...thank you again |
| 04:45.02 | peterS | hehe |
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| 04:45.20 | mwilson | mdh: Perhaps it's going to cause problems, but the FAQ talks about it specifically and even recommends it in preference to creating silly symlinks. |
| 04:45.42 | mdh | I dont even have a /boot/boot inode of any kind |
| 04:45.43 | mwilson | mdh: It's singularly unimpressive that grub has trouble with something as simple as there being more than one partition on the device. |
| 04:45.53 | Nurbs | mdh: do you have a separate /boot? |
| 04:46.03 | mdh | Nurbs: yes |
| 04:46.09 | Nurbs | hmm |
| 04:46.20 | Nurbs | I remember using /boot/boot/grub, too |
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| 04:46.34 | mdh | Nurbs: which I stupidly made the smallest size possible, and have since regretted it |
| 04:46.36 | xerophyte | is RRDTool replace of MRTG or do we need the MRTG to query the data from the device? |
| 04:46.41 | Nurbs | mdh: hehe |
| 04:46.46 | mwilson | Mine's not small. |
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| 04:46.49 | mdh | I can't fit more than one debian kernel .deb installed in it :O |
| 04:46.54 | mwilson | Not big either, but not small. |
| 04:47.01 | Nurbs | mwilson: eh, right. |
| 04:47.57 | rich_ | Everyone thinks they need that extra grain of efficiency, and they always regret it. My root partition takes up my entile hard disk, and so i dont have to worry about /boot being too small. |
| 04:48.31 | mwilson | rich_: I've trashed a partition too many times to not split up what can be split up. |
| 04:48.33 | numist | if you want the extra grain of efficiency... get reiserfs ;) |
| 04:48.36 | tcsetattr | rrdtool is a replacement for the "bottom" part of mrtg (the data storage and the generation of gifs). It's not a replacement for the "top" part (the router querying and generation of HTML pages to that reference the gifs) |
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| 04:48.53 | mwilson | numist: Yes, and watch your data disappear, quick as can be. |
| 04:49.25 | numist | mwilson: no problems here, although it helps to keep a backup with a stable filesystem |
| 04:49.47 | mwilson | numist: And the reason to not just use the stable system in the first place? :) |
| 04:49.58 | rich_ | mwilson Yes your right. I just think personal users should act like personal users. Personal users are supposed to back up their work... |
| 04:50.05 | numist | mwilson: curiosity... gonna kill me someday, but damn I love it |
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| 04:53.16 | Nurbs | how does ext3 handle directories with a large amount of files nowadays (on 2.6 specifically)? |
| 04:53.21 | mdh | it's human nature to shun progress, reiserfs3 for me has been more stable than ext3 as well as significantly faster |
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| 04:54.08 | mdh | the only reason I have ext3 partitions in fact is because they were originally ext2 and I'm not permitted the downtime to reformat with a proper journalled fs |
| 04:54.09 | redbat_ | hi |
| 04:54.13 | redbat_ | :) |
| 04:54.26 | numist | it is much faster, but I use it because Im not worried about losing my system :P |
| 04:54.33 | mwilson | Gods I'm gonna miss Debian after Sarge is released. |
| 04:54.40 | mwilson | cd /boot |
| 04:54.48 | redbat_ | peterS, I couldn't use grep from boot: |
| 04:55.02 | mdh | mwilson: what's happening? |
| 04:55.07 | peterS | redbat_: not from boot:, but after that. |
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| 04:55.15 | animall | ?? |
| 04:55.18 | animall | da |
| 04:55.22 | peterS | redbat_: after the installer is up and running. use Alt-F2 at that point, and it will offer you a command prompt. |
| 04:55.22 | numist | mwilson: ??? |
| 04:55.27 | animall | <- currently upgrading |
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| 04:55.35 | redbat_ | peterS, you mean at choise of lang? |
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| 04:55.50 | redbat_ | peterS, I did that! but also nothing from grep |
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| 04:55.51 | peterS | redbat_: sure. or later. |
| 04:56.04 | peterS | redbat_: but yeah, at choice of lang should work. |
| 04:56.11 | numist | oh shoot, I havent upgraded in 2 weeks |
| 04:56.19 | mwilson | mdh: I really don't think I'll be able to put up with the installer. So I'll be cloning systems until I finally kill 'em. |
| 04:56.21 | Nurbs | redbat_: you did press Alt-F2 then, didn't you? :) |
| 04:56.22 | animall | lol |
| 04:56.23 | redbat_ | kernel panic: vfs: unable to mount root fs on 3a:05 |
| 04:56.29 | peterS | redbat_: wait, you're saying you got to a command prompt, then typed "grep SCSI /proc/pci", and it just gave you another prompt with no other output? |
| 04:56.31 | redbat_ | nurbs, I did |
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| 04:56.38 | angeles | ok maybe an easier question, how do i stop oss modules loading on startup in debian without removing soundcore |
| 04:56.45 | redbat_ | yeap, peterS |
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| 04:57.00 | redbat_ | the prompt was # or something.. |
| 04:57.15 | mwilson | mdh: At the moment, I'll probably install Woody again after Sarge releases, dist-upgrade it, then take the HD out and stash it somewhere. |
| 04:57.22 | Nurbs | redbat_: is it an ISA controller? |
| 04:57.26 | redbat_ | alt-f1 get me back to lang selection |
| 04:57.32 | redbat_ | nurbs, it's pci |
| 04:57.32 | Nurbs | redbat_: or VLB or MCA? |
| 04:57.34 | angeles | i remove thing with modconf but they keep coming back, and i am getting so annoyed with debian |
| 04:57.39 | Edward_ | morning |
| 04:57.40 | peterS | Nurbs: he said earlier it was PCI |
| 04:57.45 | Nurbs | oops :) |
| 04:57.52 | redbat_ | I've tryed compact |
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| 04:58.01 | mwilson | mdh: Or dump it to a DVD. |
| 04:58.05 | peterS | redbat_: so then, either you don't have that scsi controller in the box, or you're mistyping it |
| 04:58.15 | somian | Darnit. I am trying to figure out how my PATH gets set for running a single command as su: 'me $ su -c "somecmd"' |
| 04:58.28 | mdh | mwilson: :) yeah, I didn't particularly loathe d-i when I installed this system, but I was disappointed in a few places |
| 04:58.39 | redbat_ | I have it in box, bios boot detect it: pci bus=0 dev number=A |
| 04:58.41 | Nurbs | PATH=... su -c "somecmd" |
| 04:58.50 | somian | Wonder where it gets set tho? |
| 04:58.59 | angeles | dpkg: alsahowto |
| 04:58.59 | dpkg | well, alsahowto is at http://tinyurl.com/82on or http://www.d.kth.se/~d98-jas/debian/debian-install-alsa.txt or ask me about alsa howto |
| 04:59.01 | animall | ack! init restart |
| 04:59.22 | animall | the joys of apt-get -f dist-upgrade to testing |
| 04:59.30 | angeles | bleh i've read them |
| 04:59.33 | mwilson | mdh: It's unfortunate that it went so far downhill. We'll see what it looks like at release, though. |
| 04:59.34 | peterS | redbat_: the installer version of grep might not properly complain if you mistype the filename - some of those commands don't. so make sure you're typing it exactly as shown, including upper/lower case |
| 04:59.37 | tcsetattr | somian, that might be one of those things that still gets its info from /etc/login.defs. If not, it'll be in PAM config somewhere. |
| 04:59.39 | mdh | mwilson: mind you, this one was beta3, I've heard stuff about beta4 that made me glad I didn't wait a few weeks and have it instead ;) |
| 04:59.42 | redbat_ | but, when trying to instal debian, request_module[block-major-58]:root fs not mounted |
| 04:59.56 | somian | OK! thx tcsetattr |
| 05:00.08 | angeles | fyi; that means dpkg has duplicates |
| 05:00.12 | redbat_ | I typed it like this: grep scsi /proc/pci |
| 05:00.13 | Nurbs | somian: it spawns the user's shell |
| 05:00.31 | somian | No /etc/login.defs on this machine |
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| 05:00.59 | somian | If it spawns the users shell , Nurbs, what initfiles get run? |
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| 05:01.11 | Nurbs | somian: check the docs of that shell |
| 05:01.21 | somian | bash |
| 05:01.22 | mdh | I think the trouble with something the size of d-i is that it takes a long time to write, and during that time *will* suffer featureitis or re-focussing as incomplete good ideas get blasted in favour of slightly-more-complete bad ideas :( |
| 05:01.30 | Nurbs | somian: by default it's _not_ a login shell |
| 05:01.37 | redbat_ | and scsi controller is in slot 3 scsi,irq10 |
| 05:01.40 | somian | I figured that |
| 05:01.40 | Nurbs | somian: check bash(1) (man bash) |
| 05:02.01 | tcsetattr | redbat, you were supposed to grep SCSI, not scsi. can't you see the difference? |
| 05:02.07 | Nurbs | somian: FILES section, way down |
| 05:02.10 | somian | I sort of know it by heart, and I still cannot fins where my PATH is getting screwed up Nurbs ... |
| 05:02.11 | redbat_ | god damn... |
| 05:02.17 | redbat_ | I'll be back |
| 05:02.19 | redbat_ | :))) |
| 05:02.34 | mwilson | mdh: I compare it to boot-floppies, and it really comes off lacking in my mind. |
| 05:02.37 | tcsetattr | I assume peterS got the case right, he usually does |
| 05:02.52 | somian | ... " ~/.bash_profile || ~/.profile " . |
| 05:02.54 | mwilson | mdh: But that's OK, it's not my project. |
| 05:03.02 | redbat_ | BUT I REMEMBER, there was something about grep not found in kernel or something like that |
| 05:03.12 | numist | wow, dont use apt for 2 weeks, download 130MB of archives... |
| 05:03.16 | redbat_ | whitch kernel has grep? |
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| 05:03.21 | Nurbs | somian: no |
| 05:03.21 | peterS | tcsetattr: thanks for the vote of confidence. /proc/pci labels such things as a "SCSI storage controller" at least in recent kernels |
| 05:03.28 | numist | redbat_: grep is a universal system command |
| 05:03.40 | angeles | + |
| 05:03.41 | numist | redbat_: man grep for more information |
| 05:03.48 | peterS | redbat_: it's not a matter of the kernel. it should work at that command prompt regardless |
| 05:03.55 | mdh | bf has been around and worked on a lot longer though, and has come out of a time when the debian end-user expected something different, its not really a fair comparison |
| 05:03.58 | peterS | numist: don't tell him to 'man' stuff, he's not even got linux installed yet |
| 05:03.59 | somian | Oh that's right, it's NOT a login shell |
| 05:04.08 | numist | peterS: oops, ok then |
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| 05:04.14 | redbat_ | great.. see ya |
| 05:04.24 | tcsetattr | I get the feeling redbat_ still hasn't found the shell prompt |
| 05:04.42 | numist | he'll get it |
| 05:04.52 | mdh | you're absolutely right, wait till release and see what its like when "complete" |
| 05:04.55 | peterS | tcsetattr: you'd think so, but he described it as being a "#". he couldn't have known that without seeing it (: |
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| 05:05.13 | tcsetattr | have you tried looking up that FCC ID he gave? |
| 05:05.14 | Neemz | Bandwidth: [Current Downstream: 420.26kb/s º Current Upstream: 1.25kb/s] |
| 05:05.17 | Neemz | woo! it works!! |
| 05:05.38 | peterS | tcsetattr: google knows little about the IBM model number |
| 05:05.44 | peterS | tcsetattr: I didn't plug in those other numbers |
| 05:05.48 | Nurbs | hm, doesn't bash also read ~/.profile, even though the man page only mentions ~/.bash_profile (at least if the latter doesn't exist)? |
| 05:06.04 | peterS | ruied: correct. if the latter doesn't exist |
| 05:06.05 | tcsetattr | the FCC ID does result in some good hits... |
| 05:06.20 | peterS | tcsetattr: which ID is that? |
| 05:06.28 | numist | Nurbs: does for me, but Ive only checked with /etc/profile, not home/profile |
| 05:06.33 | mwilson | Nurbs: Under certain conditions. |
| 05:06.44 | Shorty` | Neemz: is that a windows script |
| 05:06.46 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:07.10 | Nurbs | mwilson: any besides no .bash_profile and it being a login shell (and additional options to bash)? |
| 05:07.17 | Shorty` | xerone: I don't understand what you're asking |
| 05:07.53 | peterS | Nurbs: there's /etc/bash_profile and /etc/profile - same story as above |
| 05:07.59 | mwilson | Nurbs: It's all there in the man page |
| 05:08.03 | tcsetattr | well, maybe those hits aren't so good. <redbat_> fcc id: anokw32g3100 |
| 05:08.36 | Nurbs | mwilson: oh right |
| 05:09.00 | Nurbs | mwilson: how about a bug report because the FILES section doesn't mention .profile? :) |
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| 05:11.25 | mwilson | Nurbs: Not from me, but feel free if you like. :) |
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| 05:11.36 | redbat_ | peterS, finally :) grep said: SCSI storage controller: IBM 82G2675 (rev 0). |
| 05:11.36 | Nurbs | mwilson: hehe |
| 05:11.54 | redbat_ | peterS, now what shall I do? |
| 05:11.55 | Nurbs | peterS: I like to tell people to use grep -i :) |
| 05:12.16 | peterS | redbat_: sit tight for a few seconds, I'll see what I can see |
| 05:12.28 | peterS | Nurbs: well, I *did* give him uppercase SCSI, didn't I? (: |
| 05:12.29 | redbat_ | thank you very much!!! |
| 05:12.33 | mhall | can anybody tell me where i can get an ipv6 teredo access account? i checked and none of the other ipv6 services are compatible with the horseshit topology of the network i'm on |
| 05:12.35 | Nurbs | peterS: ik :) |
| 05:12.49 | mhall | peterS you scuzzy person you |
| 05:13.19 | peterS | mhall: I'm more scuzzy than the other pronunciation of scsi, I think |
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| 05:13.52 | mhall | peterS other pronunciation? |
| 05:14.02 | VChriZZ | how do i add virtual users on vsftpd ? |
| 05:14.04 | peterS | mhall: "sexy" |
| 05:14.06 | akusarujin | i'm curious as well, mhall :) |
| 05:14.09 | akusarujin | ahahahaha |
| 05:14.14 | numist | peterS: theres another pronunciation? |
| 05:14.25 | numist | ahh, sexy |
| 05:14.27 | Nurbs | VChriZZ: I don't think it does support that |
| 05:14.28 | akusarujin | peterS: nice :) |
| 05:14.34 | numist | nucular |
| 05:14.39 | peterS | numist: early scsi proponents were hoping "sexy" would catch on. it didn't. |
| 05:14.50 | VChriZZ | nurbs: on vsftpd.beasts.org it writes, that it has support for |
| 05:14.56 | numist | thank goodness, Id be worried if my computer was more sexy than me |
| 05:15.18 | peterS | redbat_: I see no evidence for any support for that SCSI chip, unfortunately. I looked in both 2.2 and 2.4 kernel source. |
| 05:15.27 | Nurbs | VChriZZ: really. sorry, dunno :) but the vsftpd.conf man page does probably tell you, in addition to setting up PAM for vsftpd |
| 05:15.37 | ledestin | numist: meet Bender :) |
| 05:15.37 | peterS | redbat_: this is odd, so I'm still looking, but so far I see nothing |
| 05:15.38 | anarcat | is there a command to see what amount of swap is on? |
| 05:15.41 | redbat_ | so... nothing from linux on that controller/hdd |
| 05:15.47 | numist | ledestin: rofl |
| 05:15.54 | peterS | redbat_: it's odd because the kernel *does* know about that chip - it's on the device list - but not in any drivers I can find |
| 05:15.55 | VChriZZ | nope, im looking already in vsftpd man page and in online doc... i cant find it |
| 05:16.01 | numist | anarcat: top should tell you |
| 05:16.07 | anarcat | oh |
| 05:16.08 | anarcat | right |
| 05:16.15 | anarcat | numist: thankx |
| 05:16.19 | anarcat | thansk |
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| 05:16.25 | numist | anarcat: no problem |
| 05:16.25 | anarcat | erm |
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| 05:17.06 | redbat_ | I'll look in google :) so I wont feel like a fifth weel |
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| 05:17.24 | Ragna | how do i install flash media player on knoqueror? |
| 05:17.41 | Nurbs | VChriZZ: read the examples. |
| 05:17.51 | numist | Ragna: copy the plugin normally installed in the mozilla dir into kq's plugin dir? |
| 05:18.21 | Ragna | (o_O) |
| 05:18.24 | Ragna | right |
| 05:18.38 | numist | worked for me |
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| 05:18.54 | Raenk | Some one please ? I need help for setting my cdrw from someone using 2.4 kernel please, I just need to creat /dev proper device and add the lines to fstab |
| 05:19.09 | pjz | anyone know when the next push to get a new rlease is going to be? my stable system is starting to feel pretty stale |
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| 05:19.34 | numist | pjz: you can always switch to unstable or testing, its not as unstable as it sounds... |
| 05:19.47 | alanoneil | excuse me... |
| 05:19.47 | numist | pjz: besides, gimp 2.0 is pretty damn cool |
| 05:20.03 | Nurbs | redbat_: I'm negative on support in 2.6 (from what I can tell), it's very unlikely to be supported |
| 05:20.03 | pjz | numist: yah, I'm just a little wary of moving my production server over to testing |
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| 05:20.10 | numist | pjz: good call, then |
| 05:20.17 | numist | !tell alanoneil about ask |
| 05:20.34 | rich_ | pjz Consider sarge. All you have to do is read the security mailing list because security patches take a little over a week longer than they take with stable |
| 05:20.36 | pjz | numist: hence my q about when the next stable release is likely to be |
| 05:20.37 | Nurbs | pjz: next year, probably |
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| 05:20.54 | numist | pjz: not soon, cant hurry perfection :) |
| 05:21.07 | pjz | numist: heh |
| 05:21.14 | alanoneil | i have an amd k6@233MHz system, 32MB RAM, ~3GB HDD space. i'm trying to install debian from the sarge floppy set, and for some reason the installer isn't recognizing my hard drive. I know the system can function under debian, however |
| 05:21.27 | Nurbs | pjz: very certainly not this year :) |
| 05:21.30 | pjz | rich_: sarge is.. testing? |
| 05:21.30 | redbat_ | Nurbs, that's not very good now, is it |
| 05:21.38 | Nurbs | redbat_: not for you, no :) |
| 05:21.40 | rich_ | pjz yes. |
| 05:21.40 | numist | alanoneil: are you using the debian installer or the old installer? |
| 05:21.44 | pjz | Nurbs: really? |
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| 05:22.01 | pjz | rich_: hrm. that may indeed be the answer. |
| 05:22.02 | Nurbs | pjz: yes, from what I know. don't have any references handy atm, though :) |
| 05:22.03 | alanoneil | i downloaded the floppy set about three weeks ago... would that be 'new' ? |
| 05:22.07 | numist | alanoneil: because sarge has a very good installer that has excellent hardware detection |
| 05:22.23 | numist | alanoneil: it really depends on what version you have, woody, sarge, or sid |
| 05:22.25 | pjz | Nurbs: I thought it was mostly just waiting on the new installer? |
| 05:22.35 | alanoneil | numist: sarge floppies |
| 05:22.55 | rich_ | pjz Well it is if you dont run too many servers. Because if you run a lot of servers then you might want the prompt security updates. |
| 05:22.55 | numist | alanoneil: out of curiosity,... why not CD? |
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| 05:23.02 | Ragna | my knoppix is not saving configurations what can i do? |
| 05:23.13 | redbat_ | this guy had my problem: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-scsi@vger.rutgers.edu/msg02096.html |
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| 05:23.15 | numist | Ragna: see topic: knoppix != debian |
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| 05:23.24 | numist | Ragna: try #knoppix instead |
| 05:23.35 | Nurbs | pjz: I've heard the decisions about non-free would cause it to be delayed until at least next year, but I currently can't back that up :) |
| 05:23.49 | pjz | rich_: hrm. well, just run the usual stuff: apache, postfix, ... imap, pop, etc. |
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| 05:23.50 | Ragna | but why it says decompressed debian XD |
| 05:23.57 | pjz | Nurbs: ohhhh |
| 05:24.16 | numist | Ragna: it runs the debian distro, but there are many differences that, due to its CD nature, cant be supported in a general debian forum |
| 05:24.28 | numist | Ragna: so youd be more likely to get help in #knoppix |
| 05:24.46 | rich_ | pjz Then you need to read the security mailing list and if anything that other people can use has a hole, you have to fix it yourself because the patches dont get to sarge until like 10 days later |
| 05:24.50 | somian | .oO( man this IS a friendly chan ) |
| 05:24.52 | Ragna | ok thx for info |
| 05:25.02 | pjz | rich_: hrm. ugh. |
| 05:25.02 | Nurbs | redbat_: quite a number of people have been looking for drivers, not only for Linux, but I haven't found a single person who has found one and haven't found anything besides the PCI ID in current kernels. You're out of luck I'd say |
| 05:25.02 | numist | sure |
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| 05:25.08 | numist | somian: we have our moments ;) |
| 05:25.09 | rich_ | pjz I mean youll have to apply the patch yourself |
| 05:25.15 | pjz | rich_: right, sure. |
| 05:25.21 | redbat_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.42 | pjz | rich_: just that I maintain this server for *fun*, and having to hand-apply security patches doesn't qualify :) |
| 05:26.21 | numist | pjz: maintaining a server with uptime requirements doesnt qualify as fun for me either |
| 05:26.23 | Raenk | Some one please ? I need help for setting up my cdrw from someone using 2.4 kernel please, I just need to create /dev proper device and add the lines to fstab |
| 05:26.36 | maher | Raenk: MAKEDEV makes the devices |
| 05:26.43 | pjz | numist: oh, well, uptime is fine |
| 05:26.54 | pjz | | up 462 days, 5:51 |
| 05:26.55 | redbat_ | that's ok... I'll postpone intalation of linux.. it not end of the world.. winxp shall die on my pc, today or for a year :)) |
| 05:27.00 | Ragna | numist can you explain me how i copy the plugin to konqueror plz? |
| 05:27.04 | numist | pjz: would be for me too, my cat fell into my case yesterday and the whole system died |
| 05:27.04 | rich_ | pjz yes excactly but the thing is its not very often that apache will happen to have a hole you need to worry about. See in my case I run very very few servers so its not that big a problem, but something like a web server has to be kept secure |
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| 05:27.26 | numist | Ragna: hold a second |
| 05:27.28 | redbat_ | peterS, where are you? |
| 05:27.34 | pjz | rich_: yah. Though I'm one of the few people I know of that runs suexec. |
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| 05:27.37 | numist | pjz: killed a stick of 512 ram |
| 05:27.43 | peterS | redbat_: central US |
| 05:27.43 | alanoneil | sorry about that, had a connection dropout |
| 05:27.49 | redbat_ | peterS, don't try anymore, you've been of great help! |
| 05:27.50 | pjz | numist: ah, heh. |
| 05:27.58 | Raenk | maher: I have made /dev/sr0, but I dont know what to do with it know and with fstab |
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| 05:28.16 | redbat_ | central us... I thought where are you dissapeared |
| 05:28.19 | belo | Hey all.. I installed XP on same drive as debian and it killed my mbr.. Where can i download a boot disk? |
| 05:28.20 | maher | Raenk: isn't there a cdrw howto somewhere |
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| 05:28.22 | peterS | redbat_: I wish I had better news for you. but 1014 (IBM) 001d (your specific model) is as far as I can tell, just not supported |
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| 05:28.40 | alanoneil | anyway... the sarge installer on floppies that i downloaded just three weeks ago don't seem to see my hard drive |
| 05:28.49 | pjz | belo: burn a knoppix recovery disk is my suggestion |
| 05:28.55 | redbat_ | peter, it's fine.. thank you very much! |
| 05:28.57 | aphasia | anyone know where to find drivers.tgz ? |
| 05:29.01 | rich_ | pjz I mean you dont have to apply all the patches yourself, only the critical ones that happen to apply to you. Probably just once in a blue moon when a new exploit is found in apache |
| 05:29.10 | Raenk | maher: I looked to some, but I got really confused, cos some use /dev/scd and other /dev/sr |
| 05:29.19 | aphasia | orospakr: anyone know how to get the via-rhine driver into a sarge hd-media install? |
| 05:29.19 | numist | Ragna: similar sequence to follow, different distro, hopefully itll help you more than a ghetto file-move: http://fedorafaq.org/#flash |
| 05:29.26 | aphasia | s/oraspakr/or |
| 05:29.27 | pjz | rich_: hrm, yah, I'll think about it. Also have to keep things current a bit more |
| 05:29.28 | belo | pjz: They got one small enough for a floppy |
| 05:29.44 | Ragna | thx numist |
| 05:29.47 | peterS | Raenk: /dev/sr0 is a link to /dev/scd0 - both names are in use, they both refer to SCSI CD-ROM drives |
| 05:30.03 | alanoneil | in the installer, when i get to the "Partition disks" part, I get only the following options: 1) Configure software RAID 2) Configure the Logical Volume Manager 3) Guided partitioning 4) Help on partitioning 5) blank 6) blank 7) Undo changes to partitions 8) Finish partitioning and write changes to disk |
| 05:30.10 | numist | Ragna: the only hangup will be getting the deb, but if your apt repositories are set up, you should be fine |
| 05:30.20 | Raenk | peterS: I dont have /dev/scd0 though |
| 05:30.20 | pjz | belo: oh, no. but look for a recovery floppy someplace. if you've blown your mbr all you really need is a kernel on a floppy where you can specify root=/dev/whatever so it'll boot off your hard drive |
| 05:30.30 | aphasia | is drivers.tgz still used? is the documentation out of date? |
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| 05:30.47 | belo | pjz: yeah.. just something to boot to rerun lilo.. ill look for a recovery floppy |
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| 05:31.04 | Nurbs | belo: haven't followed, but don't you have an installer CD? |
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| 05:31.24 | peterS | Raenk: cd /dev; MAKEDEV scd |
| 05:31.32 | redbat_ | peterS, Nurbs thanks and bye! (wish me luck, today I have general exam from differential equasions...only 12hours left to learn :) |
| 05:31.32 | belo | Nurbs: No. I don't.. I installed debian like 3 years ago.. Just blew the mbr with xp install. Just need to boot up to rerun lilo |
| 05:31.46 | Nurbs | redbat_: oh, good luck :) |
| 05:32.00 | Nurbs | redbat_: you reminded me, I should go and learn some topology. well, I'll do that later ;p |
| 05:32.06 | pjz | okay, poll: earliest version of debian you installed? |
| 05:32.06 | Raenk | peterS: .devfsd presence implies active DevFS. Aborting MAKEDEV invocation. |
| 05:32.08 | peterS | redbat_: heh, good luck. I never did understand differential equations very well |
| 05:32.09 | pjz | 0.9 here |
| 05:32.10 | somian | Ahhhahah! tcsetattr was right. PATH dor su is set in /etc/login.defs |
| 05:32.18 | somian | s/dor/for/ |
| 05:32.38 | peterS | Raenk: ah, check /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 |
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| 05:32.48 | noLogin | I can't log into my user account anymore. the prompt window disappears but, then, come back. how can I determine the cause of the login failure? |
| 05:32.59 | redbat_ | peterS, neider do I, but I atleast have to look like I learned:) so, I was trying to install debian on that hdd... :p |
| 05:33.02 | Nurbs | hm, good weather again. I'll go into the park later the day and take some math books with me :) |
| 05:33.10 | peterS | heh |
| 05:33.21 | noLogin | is some kind of log kept the reports the sequence of actions perform by KDE? |
| 05:33.26 | Raenk | peterS: I have it |
| 05:33.35 | redbat_ | Nurbs, topology can wait, like everything : untill last minute :)))) |
| 05:33.45 | numist | noLogin: /var/log/syslog should help, try tailing it in a terminal |
| 05:33.47 | peterS | Raenk: so, that's your CD-ROM device |
| 05:33.59 | numist | noLogin: if you can get in through a shell, of course |
| 05:34.02 | redbat_ | and then you say: staarrrttiiinng from NOW! |
| 05:34.13 | Raenk | peterS: I'm trying to set it up for burning |
| 05:34.29 | redbat_ | see ya! |
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| 05:34.49 | Raenk | peterS: it's a cdrw, the only cdrom device i have and it's been working as cdrom only, now I want it to work as burner also |
| 05:34.50 | peterS | Raenk: well, if you're running devfs, the usual thing to do is also run devfsd, which will provide some compatibility symlinks by default |
| 05:35.00 | alanoneil | can anyone help me with my sarge trouble? :P |
| 05:35.04 | numist | noLogin: /var/log/syslog is a general system log, it logs pretty much every system error |
| 05:35.16 | aphasia | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s02.html <-- can someone help me make sense of this? drivers.tgz is mentioned, but its location is not listed; do I actually want the *-drivers.img ? |
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| 05:36.40 | noLogin | what command can I execute at bash to get Dvorak keyboard? |
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| 05:37.10 | zinx | loadkeys dvorak, or xmodmap -e /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.dvorak |
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| 05:37.27 | zinx | uhm, not -e |
| 05:37.33 | zinx | sorry :P |
| 05:37.37 | Raenk | peterS: I really dont know how to use that |
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| 05:37.54 | noLogin | zinx: tnx |
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| 05:38.08 | peterS | Raenk: well, you install devfsd, then it does the rest |
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| 05:38.24 | peterS | Raenk: alternatively, 'cdrecord -scanbus' should be able to find the right devices regardless |
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| 05:38.34 | deadcat | i have a ide-controller card using the via82cxxx driver, but when i bootup the machine, it tries to mount my hde1 before the module is loaded. so i get into the "enter passwd to fix your machine" thing. but even when i pass that part, loaded the module, still no hde. any idea? |
| 05:38.35 | alanoneil | please help... i cant' get the debian installer to recognize my hard drive! |
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| 05:40.28 | sussudio | !whine |
| 05:40.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 05:40.39 | zoid | anyone expirience 100% CPU usage by X when using nvidia drivers with 2.6.6? |
| 05:40.47 | Tachoh | not i |
| 05:40.47 | sussudio | zoid: #nvidia |
| 05:40.49 | numist | alanoneil: your going to have to look it up and work from scratch |
| 05:40.50 | Tachoh | and i use both |
| 05:41.02 | numist | zoid: not yet :D |
| 05:41.05 | deadcat | zoid: sometimes. it just crash my X.. |
| 05:41.08 | jm_ | deadcat: check your logs |
| 05:41.23 | deadcat | jm_: ok |
| 05:41.24 | `Butthead | does anyone know how to deny user access to eth1? |
| 05:41.27 | zoid | numist: you using nvidia drivers 5336? |
| 05:41.32 | jm_ | `Butthead: iptables |
| 05:41.34 | alanoneil | numist: what do i look up? there's no error... it's just plain not seeing my hard drive |
| 05:41.44 | numist | not sure, but its a recent install, so Ill probably run into it later |
| 05:41.49 | `Butthead | jm_: really? I must read |
| 05:41.57 | jm_ | `Butthead: yes, owner match module |
| 05:42.16 | numist | alanoneil: if the hardware isnt more than ten years old or so, you can progagly google it to find the issue. It could be as simple as an argument passed to the installer |
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| 05:43.05 | deadcat | jm_: dont see anything |
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| 05:44.26 | jm_ | deadcat: dmesg should mention anything related to it if you load the module and you should aso see things in /proc/ide |
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| 05:45.00 | deadcat | ok |
| 05:45.02 | opp | i need to get my usb scaner working, can anyone help? |
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| 05:45.41 | Raenk | peterS: cdrecord -scanbus gives me an error |
| 05:46.52 | zoid | interesting, imwheel is also taking about 30+% constantly |
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| 05:47.45 | peterS | streuner__: thanks. I still can't make out what Raenk's cdrecord says, though |
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| 05:48.41 | aphasia | anyone know where to find drivers.tgz? |
| 05:48.43 | Raenk | peterS: sorry: cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 05:48.58 | deadcat | aphasia: wow. thats a tough one. |
| 05:49.05 | aphasia | deadcat: is it? |
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| 05:49.10 | aphasia | does drivers.tgz still exist? |
| 05:49.19 | deadcat | aphasia: oh ya.. drivers.tgz is very hard to find. |
| 05:49.42 | peterS | Raenk: try loading the 'sg' driver - who knows, a miracle might occur |
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| 05:50.17 | aphasia | deadcat: I should have specified, I need it for sarge |
| 05:50.22 | Raenk | peterS: how do i load the driver ? |
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| 05:50.30 | aphasia | I see it is readily available for woody on the ftp |
| 05:50.34 | streuner__ | Raenk: does cdrecord worked before? |
| 05:50.34 | Raenk | peterS: sorry, I'm very new at this |
| 05:50.37 | alanoneil | i cannot find out why the sarge installer cannot see my hard drive |
| 05:50.44 | peterS | Raenk: run 'modconf' and navigate to kernel/drivers/scsi/ |
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| 05:50.56 | Raenk | streuner__: never, it's my first time trying to set my burner to work as one |
| 05:51.00 | alanoneil | and why is there no hd* in /dev on the boot-floppy installer? |
| 05:51.03 | aphasia | deadcat: is drivers.tgz still used in the sarge install? |
| 05:51.32 | deadcat | dont know |
| 05:51.50 | aphasia | the documentation says it is, but the file is not to be found |
| 05:52.06 | streuner__ | !debian recover |
| 05:52.07 | aphasia | presumably the documentation was copied from woody |
| 05:52.18 | streuner__ | !debian burner |
| 05:52.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian burner is use a debian 2.4 kernel image and put ide-scsi, sr_mod, and sg in /etc/modules, and remove ide-cd from /etc/modules. or if you're on sarge, just install discover. |
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| 05:52.29 | aphasia | deadcat: if you don't know, you shouldn't be so sarcastic |
| 05:52.35 | Raenk | peterS: dont kill me for this, I'm trying all this on a gentoo box, so no modconf :/ |
| 05:52.53 | streuner__ | peterS: yo or me? |
| 05:52.57 | streuner__ | s/yo/you/ |
| 05:53.02 | peterS | Raenk: then I really can't help you. I have no idea how to tell the kernel to load modules permanently on gentoo |
| 05:53.29 | peterS | streuner__: go ahead |
| 05:53.35 | Raenk | peterS: should work with modpobre sg ? |
| 05:53.43 | streuner__ | !lart Raenk |
| 05:53.50 | peterS | Raenk: for now, yes. that won't help you after you reboot |
| 05:54.00 | peterS | Raenk: let me ask you a question, though. why on earth are you asking for gentoo help in #debian? |
| 05:54.08 | jm_ | it should honour modules.conf like all other distributions |
| 05:54.11 | Raenk | peterS: ok, but no module for that found |
| 05:54.37 | Randy | what the hell? I didn't say anything for 12 hours |
| 05:54.48 | Randy | on thats Raenk not Randy |
| 05:54.55 | Raenk | peterS: is sg for scsi generic support ? cos it it in the kernel already |
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| 05:55.08 | peterS | Raenk: yes, scsi generic |
| 05:55.25 | Raenk | peterS: so it;s on then, right ? |
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| 05:55.45 | peterS | Raenk: your problem is probably a bad interaction of devfs and cdrecord. if you can't work it out on your own, and you can't install devfsd (which comes with a pretty good default setup on Debian) then disable devfs, I guess |
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| 05:56.40 | Raenk | peterS: devfsd is installed |
| 05:56.52 | jm_ | doesn't gentoo require devfs ? |
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| 05:56.58 | deadcat | jm_: hde: attached ide-disk driver, whats the option in the .config file is that? |
| 05:56.59 | badAcnt | at the X-session prompt, I can log into root but, in my regular account, the X-session starts but, then, dies. in the .xsession-errors file, I see "mkdtemp: private socket dir: Permission denied". Any idea what's wrong? |
| 05:57.11 | jm_ | deadcat: what do you mean ? |
| 05:57.13 | peterS | jm_: I hope not. nobody should *require* devfs. |
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| 05:57.39 | deadcat | jm_: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y == ide-disk? |
| 05:57.54 | jm_ | deadcat: that just means you have IDE disk support in the kernel - as it should be |
| 05:58.25 | netsplit | I ssh'd to a machine, but the connection got killed somehow, now the remote machine still thinks I'm logged in, how can I convince it otherwise? |
| 05:58.29 | deadcat | jm_: i am using stock 2.4.25 and it loads my hde, but my 2.4.25 wont. |
| 05:58.38 | jm_ | badAcnt: perhaps troubles with /tmp/.X11-unix dir ? or /tmp/.X*lock |
| 05:58.47 | peterS | deadcat: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD |
| 05:58.48 | jm_ | deadcat: stock as in kernel-image ? |
| 05:58.59 | deadcat | jm_: ya. |
| 05:59.01 | peterS | deadcat: nah, wait, you said IDE, never mind |
| 05:59.02 | deadcat | peterS: oh... |
| 05:59.06 | deadcat | oh |
| 05:59.45 | jm_ | deadcat: you might be missing your drivers or it's not on hde (there's a kernel option related to this IIRC - boot off-board devices first or somesuch) |
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| 06:00.17 | jm_ | deadcat: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD |
| 06:00.18 | deadcat | jm_: no. hde is just my /backup i am not booting off it. |
| 06:00.22 | badAcnt | ah, I need to "chmod uog+w /tmp" |
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| 06:01.07 | jm_ | deadcat: read help for the option though |
| 06:01.24 | fatal_ | badblody: don't forget to set the sticky bit too if it's missing.... (chmod +t /tmp) ... |
| 06:01.44 | fatal_ | err.. |
| 06:01.49 | netsplit | fatal_: what does +t do? |
| 06:01.55 | peterS | fatal_: you missed him (: |
| 06:02.01 | fatal_ | :P |
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| 06:02.13 | peterS | netsplit: it means other users can't rename or delete your files, even though the directory is world-writeable |
| 06:02.33 | netsplit | thanks peterS. |
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| 06:02.59 | alanoneil | please... can anyone help me with information as to why the debian sarge installer floppies would not recognize the hard drive in my 233MHz system ?? |
| 06:03.17 | peterS | netsplit: so, in most cases where you have a world-writeable directory (like /tmp) you also want the sticky bit - chmod +t or chmod 1777 |
| 06:03.19 | jm_ | alanoneil: try #debian-boot and analyse dmesg output |
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| 06:06.47 | netsplit | peterS: ok thanks. |
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| 06:07.51 | sussudio | bah... i'd like to see a real d-day re-enactment where Schroder shoots at Bush while he tries to land on the beach at normandy |
| 06:08.25 | mdh | what's Bush done this time? |
| 06:08.34 | sussudio | probably wet himself |
| 06:09.25 | rich_ | bush has declared friday a national federal holiday and a day of mourning for wars he lost, past and future. |
| 06:09.26 | Tachoh | bbl...installing slack on a box |
| 06:09.35 | xinming_laptop | anyone can tell me how to migrate ext2 to ext3 plz? |
| 06:09.48 | sussudio | xinming_laptop: badgerwanggg |
| 06:09.49 | jm_ | /msg dpkg ext2->ext3 |
| 06:09.49 | Nurbs | xinming_laptop: tune2fs |
| 06:09.51 | Tachoh | xinming_laptop, tune2fs -j /dev/bleh |
| 06:10.13 | xinming_laptop | I ever heard change ext2 into ext3 in /etc/fstab is ok,But That doesn't work. :-S |
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| 06:10.32 | xinming_laptop | Tachoh: Ok,thanks |
| 06:10.43 | Tachoh | xinming_laptop, remember... |
| 06:10.48 | Tachoh | change fstab |
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| 06:10.57 | xinming_laptop | Tachoh: :-) I will |
| 06:10.59 | netsplit | I think maybe changing ext3 to ext2 in /etc/fstab might work. |
| 06:11.02 | Tachoh | you want to mount ext3 now |
| 06:11.53 | xinming_laptop | Tachoh: i've done that. |
| 06:12.00 | Tachoh | good deal |
| 06:12.07 | Tachoh | not get busy |
| 06:12.12 | Tachoh | s/not/now |
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| 06:12.24 | xinming_laptop | Tachoh: then How to change back? |
| 06:12.37 | Tachoh | you want to change back? |
| 06:12.49 | debina | What does 3-7-77 mean? |
| 06:13.00 | tcsetattr | March 7, 1977? |
| 06:13.13 | debina | No |
| 06:13.14 | Tachoh | just remove the journal |
| 06:13.14 | mdh | xinming_laptop: ext2 and ext3 are on-disk compatible, you can mount the partition as either |
| 06:13.20 | tcsetattr | July 3, 1977? |
| 06:13.21 | zinx | July 3rd, 1977? |
| 06:13.22 | zinx | hehe |
| 06:13.31 | tcsetattr | quit stealin my bit! |
| 06:13.35 | xinming_laptop | Tachoh: I've done that,And that works,And I think If there might be some reason for me to change it back,so what should I do plz? |
| 06:13.48 | mdh | xinming_laptop: just remember to replay the journal before mounting as ext2 ;) |
| 06:13.49 | sussudio | debina: it means the bunny squad is on its way and you'll be dead before noon |
| 06:13.53 | debina | I'll give you a hint it is on the right sleeve patch of the Montana Highway Patrol. |
| 06:13.57 | Tachoh | xinming_laptop, well, you can let go of my hand and read the docs |
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| 06:14.17 | Tachoh | i have never converted back, so i really have no idea whatsoever |
| 06:14.36 | debina | sussudio: yeah |
| 06:15.04 | xinming_laptop | mdh: Ok,I will try,thanks,Bbl. |
| 06:15.10 | mdh | debina: how many donuts they can eat? 3 hours a day, 7 days a week, 77 donuts ? |
| 06:15.15 | xinming_laptop | Tachoh: Thanks anyway,I will try what mdh told me. |
| 06:15.17 | thoreauputic | debina: call the highway patrol and ask? |
| 06:15.22 | Tachoh | xinming_laptop, good |
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| 06:15.43 | debina | No 3 feet wide 7 feet long and 77 inches deep. What am I. |
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| 06:16.17 | thoreauputic | a basketball player? |
| 06:16.17 | mdh | debina: an extremely tall coffin |
| 06:16.35 | sussudio | debina: some rude remark about genitalia? |
| 06:16.39 | debina | mdh: Its the hole they throw your dead ass in. |
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| 06:17.42 | debina | mdh: I like the donut one. |
| 06:17.46 | mdh | debina: they come from the clint eastwood school of law enforcement in montana, huh? |
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| 06:18.34 | debina | mdh: Yup. |
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| 06:19.07 | debina | Montana = the last best place to hide (a body) |
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| 06:20.17 | Nurbs | in what order should one look up the temporary directory: $TMPDIR, $TMP, /tmp? |
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| 06:21.55 | mickeynoear | i need help with devlabel |
| 06:21.56 | mickeynoear | i am modifying USB thumbdrive hotplug script for my own use |
| 06:21.56 | mickeynoear | but devlabel doesnt function when exec from the script |
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| 06:22.10 | sussudio | Nurbs: $TMPBADGER $TMPMUSHROOM /tmpsnaaaaake |
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| 06:22.22 | Nurbs | heh |
| 06:22.44 | debina | Nurbs: what do you need the /tmp directory for? |
| 06:22.53 | Nurbs | debina: the ssh-agent socket |
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| 06:23.26 | debina | I don't know why that wouldn't be in var. |
| 06:23.31 | mickeynoear | has anyone done hotplug script b4 ? |
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| 06:23.46 | debina | Nurbs: thats just where I put all my stuff. |
| 06:23.47 | Nurbs | debina: because you don't want the socket to persist reboots |
| 06:23.57 | Nurbs | I don't think the OpenSSH maintainers will accept any badger references :) |
| 06:23.59 | tcsetattr | I'm kind of annoyed that the 3-7-77 thing was actually meant as a trivia contest. I thought you were looking for help with a real problem, and was trying to be a smartass by answering as if it was something else. |
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| 06:25.30 | jm_ | Nurbs: it creates it in /tmp |
| 06:25.46 | debina | tcsetattr: I was just advertising what a warm "<--:D" and inviting place montana was. I thought everyone should know that people come here on vacation and leave on probation after a long stay of incarceration. |
| 06:26.11 | SlayerXP | i finally worked out why you CPU was _idling_ at 70C+ |
| 06:26.14 | Nurbs | jm_: I'm writing a patch to not have it create it there. I'm just not sure if there's some common order for programs which support both $TMPDIR and $TMP |
| 06:26.27 | SlayerXP | tip: you _will_ check that your extractor fan is actually working |
| 06:26.30 | jm_ | Nurbs: patch for what exactly ? |
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| 06:27.03 | sussudio | extractor fannnn |
| 06:27.24 | tcsetattr | what programs support $TMP at all? |
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| 06:27.48 | SlayerXP | sussudio: my machine is a little bit of a heat beast |
| 06:27.51 | SlayerXP | sussudio: http://photos.hinterlands.org/p4971877.html |
| 06:27.51 | Nurbs | jm_: a patch for OpenSSH to make it use {$TMPDIR,$TMP,/tmp}/ssh-XXXXXXXXXX for the socket (and possibly some other files, haven't checked that yet) |
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| 06:28.18 | jm_ | Nurbs: you can tell shh-agent to create it wherever you want, there's no patch needed for this |
| 06:28.24 | sussudio | SlayerXP: Athlon 800Mhz, doesn't really get above 45C cpu temp |
| 06:28.44 | SlayerXP | sussudio: 2.1ghz athlon, plus a radeon 9800XT |
| 06:28.55 | jm_ | SlayerXP: what's that shiny big tube for ? |
| 06:29.05 | programmer90 | I am the eater of cheesecake, I am the master of all, my development platform(70 megahertz Cyrix) rules, everyone shall obey me without hesitation |
| 06:29.06 | sussudio | jm_: gerbils |
| 06:29.07 | SlayerXP | jm_: that''s the made power conduit |
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| 06:29.26 | SlayerXP | made==main |
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| 06:29.57 | jm_ | SlayerXP: ahh |
| 06:30.18 | SlayerXP | jm_: 400W enermax psu with variable speed fan |
| 06:30.47 | mickeynoear | i need help with devlabel |
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| 06:31.14 | debina | Whats a bogomips |
| 06:31.45 | jm_ | SlayerXP: I still have 300W PSU from my Athlon 700 setup, but it looks like 400W might be needed soon (like your setup with extra power for graphic card) |
| 06:31.47 | debina | How much bogomips is good bogomips |
| 06:31.59 | SlayerXP | debina: roughly speaking, it's the number of times your computer can do nothing in a second |
| 06:32.00 | rich_ | debina depends on your processor |
| 06:32.12 | zinx | bogomips are only for timing |
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| 06:32.26 | jm_ | debina: man bogomips |
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| 06:33.40 | debina | does bogomips = clock beats per second? |
| 06:33.41 | zinx | no |
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| 06:34.39 | SlayerXP | jm_: scares the hell out of me. this thing gets through an antartic oilfield a day, I'm sure :) |
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| 06:35.01 | troubled | debina: zless /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/mini/BogoMips.gz |
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| 06:35.25 | debina | There's no such animal as an antarctic oil field. |
| 06:35.28 | zinx | SlayerXP: you're going to have to upgrade your power supply if you want a 6800 Ultra :P |
| 06:35.38 | jm_ | zinx: not really |
| 06:35.46 | debina | That would violate international law. |
| 06:35.52 | SlayerXP | zinx: my next computer with be a dual opteron |
| 06:35.56 | SlayerXP | will be a |
| 06:36.11 | zinx | jm_: really |
| 06:36.15 | jm_ | zinx: no |
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| 06:37.08 | rich_ | sussudio How do you make your address say registered instead of your address? Do registered people appear that way to other people? |
| 06:37.59 | jm_ | rich_: staff can do it for you |
| 06:38.07 | jm_ | if you have a valid reason I guess |
| 06:38.46 | rich_ | jm_ cool, thanks. |
| 06:38.58 | mdh | is "I wanna be k-rad like sussudio" a valid reason? ;-) |
| 06:39.27 | rich_ | Well no one needs spam and portscans but thats probably not a valid reason. |
| 06:39.37 | jm_ | zinx: http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=31&threadid=1308466&enterthread=y |
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| 06:40.29 | jm_ | I remember when I asked someone, he told me I needed a valid reason, but I also heard rules have been eased a bit since then |
| 06:40.34 | jm_ | maybe ask them and tell us ;) |
| 06:41.25 | SlayerXP | oops |
| 06:41.25 | SlayerXP | guess he asked the wrong way |
| 06:41.25 | element | finger must have slipped there. |
| 06:41.25 | rich_ | Thats the only reason I have is I dont need the random hacher seeing my address and portscanning me |
| 06:41.30 | SlayerXP | rich_: do you really think a random cracker would bother? |
| 06:42.00 | rich_ | SlayerXP of course. Thats how they flood people off irc. They get your address and simply ping flood you |
| 06:42.24 | rich_ | SlayerXP I dwell in a political channel |
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