| 00:00.14 | mothas | LSorensen: Thanks a million - I've got to print out a 500 page manual, and just couldn't face collating it after. |
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| 00:00.54 | LSorensen | mothas: you can always do: lpr -o outputorder=reverse filename |
| 00:01.28 | mothas | LSorensen: I suppose so, but I figure fixing it forever is better than doing it just this once. Thanks again. |
| 00:01.34 | LSorensen | mothas: sure. |
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| 00:02.29 | FieldySnuts | don't do man /dev/urandom either |
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| 00:02.49 | vladkao | FieldySnuts: experimenting tonight ? :) |
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| 00:03.05 | FieldySnuts | man /proc/kcore is probably not good either |
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| 00:04.31 | h2k_ | how can i downgrade packages with dpkg? |
| 00:04.43 | kreg | i wrote my iptables script and it works fine. where do i put it? is there a debian thing for where it should go so it starts at boot time? |
| 00:04.48 | Gathond | h2k_: install the older package |
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| 00:05.06 | h2k_ | is it going to remove newer one? |
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| 00:05.41 | somiaj | h2k_: you can dpkg -i them, though you may have to do a whole list at once for all the kde packages. |
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| 00:07.13 | EtherNet | hello everybody, I am having a trouble... I am installing Debian with 6 disk, 2 for booting, and 4 for drivers, etc... what I wanna do is install debian via internet, but it request the base2_2.tgz file and it's not availble in the url that it auto-gives to me, where do I find that base? |
| 00:08.38 | EtherNet | any idea guys ? |
| 00:09.11 | cafuego | EtherNet: You have a very old debian version. Go to http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ and download something newer. |
| 00:09.23 | somiaj | EtherNet: base2_2.tgz sounds like a base install for debian 2.2 (or potato), which is quite old....you'll want to get something to install debian 3.0 |
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| 00:10.35 | revenger | to get php work what do I have to put into my httpd.conf file again? addmodule mod_php4.c, loadmodule php4_module libphp4.so and what else? |
| 00:10.54 | cafuego | AddType applicate-x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 |
| 00:10.59 | revenger | did that .. |
| 00:11.04 | revenger | but there's something else |
| 00:11.09 | revenger | ... just don'T remember it? |
| 00:11.10 | cafuego | s/applicate-x-httpd-php/application/x-httpd-php/ |
| 00:11.21 | revenger | cafuego: that's in it .. |
| 00:11.34 | revenger | it doesn't work still so something's missing |
| 00:12.05 | Justin | revenger: you don't have to "put" anything. it is already there, you just have to uncomment it. |
| 00:12.16 | cafuego | LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so / AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php4 .php3 .phtml .inc <-- that's all you need. |
| 00:12.19 | revenger | Justin: it doesn'T work that'S the point why I ask |
| 00:12.24 | cafuego | Well, it's all *I* need for it to work. |
| 00:12.26 | revenger | cafuego: that's already in it.. |
| 00:12.28 | Justin | !tell revenger about doesn't work |
| 00:12.30 | revenger | though it doesn't work .. |
| 00:12.34 | kreg | i wrote my iptables script and it works fine. where do i put it? is there a debian thing for where it should go so it starts at boot time? |
| 00:12.37 | revenger | Justin: I told you what's in it |
| 00:12.46 | revenger | something's missing .. |
| 00:13.04 | cafuego | kreg: http://www.cafuego.net/ipt.tgz |
| 00:13.19 | revenger | that apache maintainer should retire .. he has no clue how to maintain that package.. |
| 00:13.19 | cafuego | kreg: That contains the oiginal debian /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 00:13.40 | Justin | revenger: you don't have to "put" anything. it is already there, you just have to uncomment it. |
| 00:13.49 | somiaj | any other tools for making live cd's besides 'bootcd', also is it possible to make a live cd based off a chroot enviorment inside my linux install, or do I need to make a new partition to put my livecd on? |
| 00:13.56 | kreg | cafuego, *shrug* ok thanks |
| 00:13.58 | Justin | if you "put" something, you are what "didn't work" |
| 00:14.01 | cafuego | revenger: Just because you are unable to do what thousands of others manage just fine? I doubt it. |
| 00:14.08 | revenger | Justin: I went through the configuration there's nothing else left for php |
| 00:14.20 | revenger | Justin: so it's not there last time I added a line and it worked .. |
| 00:14.26 | Justin | revenger: did you "put" anything in the config file (yes/no) ? |
| 00:14.29 | cafuego | kreg: ... it saves rules at shutdown and loads 'em at bootup, with counters, provided you set the right /etc/rc?.d/ links |
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| 00:14.45 | revenger | Justin: last time yes ... this time no.. |
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| 00:15.02 | revenger | Justin: I just uncommented the php settings .. and restarted apache |
| 00:15.06 | kreg | cafuego, i'll play with that. apt-get install iptables wouldn't of made that for me already? |
| 00:15.20 | Justin | revenger: thats not what you said 5 minutes ago |
| 00:15.27 | cafuego | kreg: It used to, but in unstable anyway, it got removed again. |
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| 00:15.48 | cafuego | kreg: if you have an /etc/init.diptables, easy. |
| 00:16.12 | revenger | Justin: what? |
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| 00:16.30 | kreg | cafuego, thanks man |
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| 00:16.49 | mickeyks | note to self: the mbr and the root filesystem are not necessarily in the same place |
| 00:16.59 | cafuego | kreg: it might whine when you run it, in that case create /var/lib/iptables |
| 00:17.11 | mickeyks | and /dev/hda is not the same as /dev/hda1 |
| 00:17.16 | Justin | revenger: telling the truth would be a good idea |
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| 00:18.40 | kreg | cafuego, ok |
| 00:18.42 | sbk_ | it'd be hard to put a filesystem on an mbr, true :-) |
| 00:18.47 | mickeyks | also, grub does not work if you have lilo installed |
| 00:19.18 | mickeyks | sbk_: can't they be on the same partition though? |
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| 00:20.08 | revenger | Justin: well forget it got it running... |
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| 00:20.36 | sbk_ | well, the way I understand it anyway is that an mbr is about 512 bytes, and it resides outside of any partition. You could have a boot record within a partition though, true -- wouldn't be an mbr technically I s'pose. |
| 00:21.32 | mickeyks | sbk_: but in lilo.conf, if the line is boot=/dev/hda, then is /dev/hda not a partition? |
| 00:22.00 | mickeyks | man |
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| 00:22.16 | mickeyks | there were those who said that my system would not run significantly faster with a new kernel. but they were wrong. |
| 00:22.52 | sbk_ | Not super familiar with lilo, but /dev/hda 'course just refers to the entire disk, the /dev/hdaN would refer to a partition within that disk |
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| 00:24.09 | mickeyks | kreg: does the k6 have an sis chipset? |
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| 00:24.35 | kreg | mickeyks, the motherboard? yes |
| 00:24.36 | mickeyks | sbk_: hrm, i guess you're right. for some reason i had it as boot=/dev/hda1, which was, admittedly, wrong |
| 00:24.42 | flaco | hi,.. someone know the package for adobe reader? |
| 00:24.58 | kreg | flaco, apt-cache search acrobat |
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| 00:25.05 | mickeyks | kreg: sis is not very linux-friendly as a company |
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| 00:25.41 | kreg | mickeyks, it's an old AT board. router use only. |
| 00:25.41 | mickeyks | kreg: in my searches for support for various issues, i've found tons of linux people bitching about sis chipsets |
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| 00:25.46 | sbk_ | FWIW, if you want to get into the nitty gritty, info about partition tables and boot records and so on at http://www.ata-atapi.com/hiw.htm. I'd look at the partition tables, followed by the master boot record info |
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| 00:25.52 | FieldySnuts | sis chips blow, get real hardware |
| 00:26.04 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: blow SiS |
| 00:26.09 | kreg | dudes, it's just a junker board with no important job. easy |
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| 00:26.25 | directhex | installed sarge onto a sis board earlier today, no problems\ |
| 00:26.26 | sbk_ | I believe lilo also has a nice description of what it does somwhere in its documentation, so that might be one more thing to spend some fun reading time on :-) |
| 00:26.29 | mickeyks | kreg: you going to put woody onto it? |
| 00:26.31 | kreg | directhex, same here |
| 00:26.38 | kreg | sarge is on it |
| 00:26.48 | directhex | sis648 with a 1.7 celery |
| 00:26.56 | kreg | but i've been trying out either the Pentium MMX 233 or the AMD-K6 233 |
| 00:27.37 | kreg | seems to be the same CPU. was wondering if the MMX had something over the K6 |
| 00:27.59 | directhex | k6 really sucked |
| 00:28.21 | PornoSatan | true |
| 00:28.28 | PornoSatan | k5 was sexier |
| 00:28.34 | mickeyks | sbk_: take a look at man lilo.conf yourself. it says that boot= indicates teh hard disk partition that contains the boot sector |
| 00:28.44 | Gathond | k6 and pentium performs about the same |
| 00:28.48 | directhex | k7 was amd's first actual competition against intel on the grounds of anything but price |
| 00:29.11 | Gathond | the k6 competet against P2's to which it were however inferior |
| 00:29.14 | PornoSatan | k7 introduced athlon and duron ? |
| 00:29.16 | mickeyks | sbk_: although, to be fair, it does say somewhat confusingly that lilo 22 and higher "behave differently" in this regard |
| 00:29.55 | directhex | yes PornoSatan |
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| 00:30.26 | Gathond | PornoSatan: K7 is the code name for the core that were used in the original athlon CPU yes |
| 00:31.01 | PornoSatan | Ah, I remember those days |
| 00:31.07 | PornoSatan | oh wait.. im still living them :] |
| 00:31.08 | jbr | mickeyks: my copy doesn't say that... "the device (eg blah) that contains the boot sector" |
| 00:31.21 | directhex | i remember the celery 300A in a BP6 dual mobo |
| 00:31.27 | sbk_ | mickeyks: interesting. Well, I'm looking at the man page -- not super familiar with lilo as I mentioned -- it says here (e.g. a hard disk partition) etc.. |
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| 00:32.00 | cafuego | it might run fast, but at the end of the day it's still celery |
| 00:32.17 | sbk_ | mickeyks: You could install the boot sector itself either in a partition, or on the device directly. In teh latter case, it'd turn into an mbr, but it's still essentially the same code... hope that makes some sorta sense :) |
| 00:32.36 | cievo | all..Peace out ! I'm leaving your asses ! :) |
| 00:32.38 | directhex | cafuego, two of them, at a 50% overclock, were pretty damn fast |
| 00:32.53 | cievo | Exit |
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| 00:33.27 | mickeyks | jbr: the eg blah is the part i'm talking about |
| 00:33.30 | cafuego | but at the end of the day it's still celery |
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| 00:33.57 | directhex | no, it's two celerys |
| 00:33.59 | sbk_ | mickeyks: so in your case, if you put boot=/dev/hda, then lilo would be the first thing that starts up. If you put it in boot=/dev/hda1 (say), then you'd have to count on the mbr to load up lilo's boot sector. |
| 00:34.01 | directhex | :) |
| 00:34.16 | jbr | mickeyks: sure, but it doesn't say that boot= (necessarily) indicates a hard disk partition |
| 00:34.38 | revenger | does anyone know how I can create a database with maxdb? |
| 00:34.40 | kerx | Quick question guys, I installed the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel using apt-get and for some reason It didn't install the /lib/modules for it, so I can't get my network card up and running. And also I lost my old kernel, what is the best available option to get that back? Can I download the module somewhere and put it on the computer? |
| 00:34.41 | mickeyks | jbr: true, e.g. means for example, so it could be something else...ok, granted |
| 00:34.54 | revenger | http://gnu.kookel.org/ftp/mysql/doc/maxdb/en/default.htm ... this doc is a joke |
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| 00:35.29 | mickeyks | sbk_: i admit to not understanding this very well |
| 00:35.35 | kerx | Anyone know? |
| 00:36.02 | mickeyks | kerx: maybe you can install the modules with modprobe? |
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| 00:36.15 | kerx | mickeyks, nope, it doesnt find them in /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 00:36.28 | mickeyks | kerx: maybe you can download them individually |
| 00:36.37 | qubit | I'm still having a problem installing my DWL-650 wireless card. Cardmgr says it's "Intersil Prism2", but Sarge netinst beta4 doesn't recognize it (knoppix loads it fine). |
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| 00:36.57 | mickeyks | kerx: or maybe the support is compiled into the kernel and the problem is in the configuration |
| 00:37.02 | directhex | qubit, does sarge tc1 detect it? |
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| 00:37.15 | qubit | tc1? is that the testing install? |
| 00:37.17 | kerx | mickeyks, if it was builtin the kernel shouldn't it just showup in eth0 |
| 00:37.19 | kerx | when i do ifconfig |
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| 00:37.23 | sbk_ | mickeyks: not to worry :) you're probably a couple or three installs and some light reading away from enlightenment or something. |
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| 00:37.33 | directhex | qubit, latest version after beta 4 is testing candidate 1. |
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| 00:37.46 | kontiz | hi, anybody with some technical knowledge about winFS? what's it about and what does it mean for linux? briefly.. |
| 00:37.52 | h2k | are kde 3.2.3 packages removed from unstable?? |
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| 00:38.03 | mickeyks | kerx: i don't think so. make sure your /etc/interfaces is set up right |
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| 00:38.13 | nevyn | kontiz: streams open by content |
| 00:38.15 | kerx | mickeyks, it is :) because it was working before |
| 00:38.17 | directhex | kontiz, winfs is an sql server layer on top of ntfs, allowing data tags to be written about all files |
| 00:38.21 | pacroon | How do i make a libary that 'links' to another place on my HDD? I have an ftp account on my server, where i would like to link a folder to another folder on my other HDD. |
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| 00:38.24 | kerx | mickeyks, now it doesn't work because it cant load up the modules |
| 00:38.25 | h2k | ah, no |
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| 00:38.27 | nevyn | kontiz: resource forks for windows. |
| 00:38.29 | kerx | i guess its not builtin to the kernel |
| 00:38.38 | nevyn | kontiz: and automated updated indexing of files |
| 00:38.40 | directhex | kontiz, for example, you could have a folder full of videos, and write tags about the actors or whatever, then search on that data |
| 00:38.48 | mickeyks | kerx: as far as i know, you can download the modules individually and put them in the right place |
| 00:38.56 | kerx | mickeyks, where can i download them? |
| 00:39.00 | qubit | I'm fine with unstable, too -- might there be a (newer) netinst image for unstable? |
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| 00:39.13 | mickeyks | kerx: do a search for them with the package search engine at debian.org |
| 00:39.18 | nevyn | queuetue: have alook at the sarge installer |
| 00:39.27 | kerx | mickeyks, thanks |
| 00:39.33 | kontiz | directhex; what is the implication of this on linux? can we still access to that data (both file and metadata) |
| 00:40.15 | kerx | mickeyks, what would be a good search keyword? |
| 00:40.19 | Justin | kontiz: winfs doesn't exist, linux can't access that doesn't exist. |
| 00:40.24 | directhex | kontiz, i suspect the metadata can siimply be ignored for reading, and read it as a regular ntfs drive - perhaps a coupel of edits to the ntfs driver needed |
| 00:40.33 | Justin | s/access that/access something that/ |
| 00:41.15 | kontiz | directhex: thx a lot, so basically it is something like thumbs.db, the file that xp generates when you view video files, or music files, etc...? |
| 00:41.27 | kontiz | so for a folder you can have metadata associated with the data itself |
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| 00:41.37 | mickeyks | kerx: i don't know, depends on what kind of nic you have |
| 00:41.41 | kerx | eepro100 |
| 00:41.41 | directhex | kinda |
| 00:41.46 | mickeyks | kerx: tulip is popular |
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| 00:41.53 | kerx | i have the eepro100 |
| 00:41.58 | kerx | i downloaded the .deb of the kerne-image |
| 00:42.03 | kerx | but i dont know if i only need the kernel-image |
| 00:42.09 | kerx | will the kernel-image install the modules for that kernel also? |
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| 00:42.29 | nevyn | kontiz: streams exist now and are used on windows for metadata samba4 supports streams in cifs |
| 00:42.40 | mickeyks | sbk_: so tell me this. if my mbr is installed at /dev/hda, then do i need the mbr package? |
| 00:42.53 | mickeyks | kerx: i think it should |
| 00:42.56 | nevyn | but the underlying infastructure for streams doesn't exist on unix |
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| 00:43.29 | mickeyks | kerx: but it doesn't come with all the modules, probably. i think that's one downside of getting a precompiled binary |
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| 00:43.38 | kerx | heh, yep i guess |
| 00:43.41 | kerx | a while back it did |
| 00:43.44 | kerx | it should this time hopefully |
| 00:43.52 | mickeyks | kerx: maybe it does, i'm not sure |
| 00:44.21 | mickeyks | kerx: seems to me that when i first installed woody, the tulip module, which is what i needed to get online, was not included |
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| 00:45.08 | Justin | mickeyks: uh, tulip is built in. |
| 00:45.40 | mickeyks | Justin: is it built into the 2.2 woody install kernel? |
| 00:46.07 | mickeyks | Justin: if so, then i dunno what it is i'm remembering...i was much more confused then |
| 00:46.17 | Justin | why would you even be using the 2.2 kernel? |
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| 00:47.14 | mickeyks | Justin: for the installation. i think you can pick a 2.2 or a bf2.4 kernel, but i think the default is 2.2 |
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| 00:47.53 | Justin | mickeyks: of course, why would you use teh 2.2 kernel? |
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| 00:48.25 | mickeyks | Justin: i just recently used my woody install CD as a rescue boot disk, and it booted me into the 2.2 kernel...bf2.4 gave a kernel panic, i dunno why...seemed to be looking for reiser |
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| 00:49.05 | Justin | sounds like a broken cd |
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| 00:49.43 | mickeyks | perhaps...it worked to get the system installed though |
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| 00:50.35 | mickeyks | in retrospect, you're right, i don't know why someone would install with the 2.2 kernel, but it does come with the CD and if you don't know what you're doing you will easily end up with it |
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| 00:51.24 | mdh | hi mickeyks, did you sort out your boot problem? |
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| 00:51.53 | mickeyks | mdh: yes. i think it was simply that in lilo.conf i had boot=/dev/hda1 and should have had boot=/dev/hda |
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| 00:52.57 | mickeyks | mdh: however, i did have the mbr package installed on /dev/hda1, so maybe it should have worked anyway, in which case the solution was that i made a rescue boot with the new kernel |
| 00:53.05 | h2k | how can i see packages in installation order? |
| 00:53.18 | _axel | im using ssh to create a user remotely and im passing the password to adduser with something like -p ''$1$Yv5AdAL6$/RfAo.ZEzoSGDvraQXaMI0' and adduser doesnt complain but then when i try to login the password is not accepted, so i guess there's some quoting foo involved with the $ symbols... how am i supposed to escape that to pass it through a remote root session? i tried $$, \$, double quotes, single quotes.... |
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| 00:53.30 | tetron | silly question y'all... so I understand that the glibc man pages got removed from debian because they are GNU FDL. does anyone maintain *unofficial* debs of said pages? |
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| 00:54.04 | mickeyks | !fdl |
| 00:54.12 | mickeyks | huh |
| 00:54.18 | mickeyks | what's fdl? |
| 00:54.28 | cafuego | yaaaaaaaaaaaay |
| 00:54.28 | tetron | GNU Free Documentation License |
| 00:54.39 | tetron | which, ironically, isn't free enough for debian ;-) |
| 00:54.43 | mickeyks | oh |
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| 00:54.58 | PornoSatan | hm |
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| 00:55.00 | mickeyks | in what sense isn't it free for debian? |
| 00:55.01 | mdh | bwahahahahaha |
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| 00:55.20 | mdh | oh the irony is killing me |
| 00:55.29 | PornoSatan | testing something |
| 00:55.30 | jbr | h2k: well, you can see them in order of last mdfication with "ls -lart /usr/share/doc"... |
| 00:55.31 | tetron | mickeyks: I don't know the details, but it has a bunch of clauses about what parts of the documentation can and can not be modified |
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| 00:56.28 | mickeyks | tetron: but if you modify it, what are they going to do? accuse you of going against the non-free license? |
| 00:56.31 | lrs | newbie needs help changing video resolution to 1024x768 |
| 00:56.46 | mdh | mickeyks: glad it's fixed. maybe the cylinder limit thing came into effect on hda1? (who knows?) |
| 00:56.57 | mickeyks | lrs: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 00:57.20 | tetron | mickeyks: the clauses have to do with attribution... like you can't remove authors names from the documentation |
| 00:57.27 | PornoSatan | hrmm |
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| 00:57.46 | mickeyks | mdh: if i installed the boot record on /dev/hda, doesn't that mean i have to boot from there? does it matter that i have the mbr package installed? |
| 00:58.02 | tehrob | it will nuke mbr |
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| 00:58.07 | mickeyks | tetron: oh. well, that's understandable |
| 00:58.11 | tehrob | that's what putting the boto record on /dev/hda means |
| 00:58.13 | mickeyks | tehrob: what will? |
| 00:58.53 | tehrob | mickeyks, the boot record on /dev/hda *is* the mbr. installing lilo/grub onto it will nuke what the "mbr" package does. |
| 00:59.01 | tcsetattr | lilo with boot=/dev/hda will use its own MBR, overwriting the one that was installed by the "mbr" command from the mbr package |
| 00:59.02 | lrs | thanks nickeyks |
| 00:59.02 | tehrob | ppppppppeter. |
| 00:59.09 | tetron | mickeyks: well the point is that the FDL has the clauses which are reasonable, but arn't quite free enough to conform to the debian social contract, so a bunch of documentation got dumped. like the glibc man pages. |
| 00:59.09 | mdh | mickeyks: oh. the mbr *package* can be installed, but that doesn't actually put the mbr itself in place. it just gives you one you can put in place yourself iirc |
| 00:59.34 | tehrob | tetron, the glibc manpages are still in sid |
| 00:59.48 | mickeyks | tehrob, mdh: so, the mbr package is just taking up space then |
| 00:59.49 | tehrob | non-freeness-due-to-GFDLness is sarge-ignore |
| 01:00.04 | mdh | tehrob: you actually have to tell either boot loader to put themselves there though. "apt-get install mbr" or "apt-get install lilo" etc. should not be doing that automatically, for the obvious reason |
| 01:00.11 | tetron | tehrob: I'm on unstable/testing |
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| 01:01.09 | tetron | tehrob: hmm, so what's an easy way to get the glibc package from sid? :-) |
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| 01:01.15 | KnyghtMare | hey |
| 01:01.16 | tehrob | * Documentation License:: This manual is under the GNU Free |
| 01:01.16 | tehrob | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.22 | tehrob | and it is still in sid |
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| 01:01.34 | mgwhit | anyone else running sid+gnome2.6 have what appears to be an immovable x-pointer sitting in the middle of their desktop...? |
| 01:01.36 | mdh | mickeyks: I think it's required for lilo, running 'lilo' will pull the mbr from that package and put it in place along with the options you describe in your lilo.conf |
| 01:01.38 | KnyghtMare | is there an easy apt-get package to install a mta with mysql support to run smtp and pop3? |
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| 01:01.42 | gameduck | how do u uinstall a .rpm file?? anyone know?? |
| 01:01.42 | tehrob | tetron, which manpage are you missing? |
| 01:01.45 | tehrob | KnyghtMare, no |
| 01:01.46 | peterS | tetron: browse to http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glibc/ |
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| 01:01.54 | KnyghtMare | shit |
| 01:01.59 | mdh | gameduck: rpm -e (e for 'erase') |
| 01:02.15 | KnyghtMare | I used apt-get courier-mta and the conf file is missing for it |
| 01:02.16 | tehrob | KnyghtMare, http://kirb.insanegenius.net/postfix.html |
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| 01:02.33 | mickeyks | mdh: hrm, ok. so i should leave it in then |
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| 01:02.45 | mdh | gameduck: and then you put back all the things the f'd up rpm package destroyed on your debian system |
| 01:02.45 | KnyghtMare | tehrob, yeah, I understand none of that |
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| 01:03.14 | KnyghtMare | and I tried it and failed |
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| 01:03.30 | Nemesis__ | Caesar: are u there? |
| 01:03.45 | tehrob | ITYM "you", HTH :-p |
| 01:04.08 | mickeyks | mdh: interestingly, after i had installed grub and booted, i still got LI. maybe lilo must be gone for grub to work. |
| 01:04.10 | mdh | gameduck: then you say "I will never install dodgy rpm's again" 3 times, and make a sacrificial donation to the debian project |
| 01:04.26 | tehrob | mickeyks, did you run grub-install? |
| 01:04.46 | mdh | mickeyks: not, if grub is installed correctly it will overwrite lilo in the mbr |
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| 01:05.16 | mdh | mickeyks: but the reverse is also true, if you installed grub correctly then somehow ran 'lilo' again, it would have overwritten grub :) |
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| 01:05.53 | KnyghtMare | grr |
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| 01:06.01 | KnyghtMare | the courrier is giving weird errors |
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| 01:06.10 | dan2 | how do I make utf8 charachters |
| 01:06.11 | Teakk | aclocal: configure.in: 9: macro `AM_PROG_AS' not found in library <-- what am I missin? |
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| 01:06.20 | dan2 | Teakk: automake |
| 01:06.32 | tehrob | install build-essential |
| 01:06.36 | Teakk | I have autmake |
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| 01:06.41 | Teakk | automake* 1.4, and 1.8 |
| 01:06.49 | Teakk | and autoconf |
| 01:06.51 | dan2 | Teakk: install build-essential |
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| 01:07.04 | tetron | argrgrg... what package has the man pages for printf(3) and all that fun stuff? isn't it the glibc docs? |
| 01:07.13 | mickeyks | mdh. i don't remember. i thought i followed the instructions for grub |
| 01:07.26 | billh | Anybody here nknow how to get apt-get working with dante/SOCKS5 ? |
| 01:07.34 | tehrob | tetron, manpages-dev |
| 01:07.40 | tehrob | billh, tsocks. |
| 01:07.45 | gb | billh: Is that a question or a statement? |
| 01:07.46 | Teakk | build-essential is now installed |
| 01:07.47 | jbr | tetron: manpages-dev? |
| 01:08.15 | droopy | Has anyone gotten plugins to work in Firefox?? |
| 01:08.20 | tetron | tehrob: yes, thanks... "aptitude search" really sucks. that didn't come up for any search involving "man" "manpages" or "dev" |
| 01:08.24 | kerx | Guys, you know when the LILO crashes and it just goes "LI"? |
| 01:08.28 | directhex | plugins for what droopy? |
| 01:08.30 | simonrvn | !li |
| 01:08.30 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large. There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 01:08.31 | kerx | What is the best available option to fix that? |
| 01:08.41 | simonrvn | kerx: read ^^^^ |
| 01:08.50 | Teakk | dan2, now what? I have build-essetials, as you stated, plus automake, and autoconf |
| 01:08.50 | gb | tetron: how bout apt-cache search or using pdo ? |
| 01:08.51 | mdh | droopy: yes |
| 01:08.57 | kerx | simonrvn, I cant boot the operating system no more? |
| 01:08.57 | billh | tehrob Iv'e been using this LD_PRELOAD thing,. Should I stop using it and use tsocks instead ? |
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| 01:09.02 | tetron | gb: what's pdo? |
| 01:09.02 | mdh | kerx: grub |
| 01:09.07 | droopy | HOW |
| 01:09.08 | mickeyks | kerx: make sure /etc/lilo.conf is set up right |
| 01:09.10 | simonrvn | ... |
| 01:09.13 | tetron | gb: I thought "aptitude" was supposed to be the way of the future |
| 01:09.13 | kerx | ok... |
| 01:09.22 | kerx | does the debian 3.0 stable woody cdrom have rescue mode? |
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| 01:09.30 | jbr | tetron: http://packages.debian.org |
| 01:09.35 | mdh | tetron: I hope not, aptitude sucks |
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| 01:09.38 | tetron | jbr: ah thx |
| 01:09.43 | tetron | mdh: so I've noticed. |
| 01:09.52 | gb | tetron: aptitude will still break sometimes if it's database gets munged for some reason I've found |
| 01:10.03 | gb | an apt-get update should fix that but |
| 01:10.03 | tehrob | billh, tsocks is a LD_PRELOAD thing, afaik |
| 01:10.07 | tcsetattr | kerx, yes put in CD 1 and type "rescue root=/dev/XXX" at the boot prompt (you must fill in XXX) |
| 01:10.22 | gb | but if in doubt resort to packages.debian.org |
| 01:10.26 | mickeyks | kerx: yes. push f3 after you boot |
| 01:10.35 | kerx | ok thanks |
| 01:10.39 | mdh | gb: except when it corrupts itself enoguh that it just segfaults consistently and you can't even do an update |
| 01:10.51 | mickeyks | kerx: but make sure you know which partition your root filesystem is on, because you will have to indicate it |
| 01:11.00 | versuchsanstalt | kerx: simply put: read the install cd welcome splash... |
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| 01:11.19 | gb | mdh: nothing a restore from backup can't fix |
| 01:11.26 | mdh | I don't quite understand what was wrong with dselect |
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| 01:11.31 | apacker | Installed mplayer package from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ AFTER I once compiled it myself (which went badly). Something was still wrong, so someone here instructed me to move /usr/local/bin/mplayer to /usr/local/mplayer.local since that was mucking things up. It did the job, but now it wont work again (freezes). Only thing I'm certain I've changed is I've done many updates (following testing). Ideas/ |
| 01:11.32 | droopy | mdh how I have tried to do net installs off the 'Net no luck...should I download then install??? |
| 01:11.32 | apacker | ? |
| 01:11.59 | tcsetattr | dselect is not apt-get, that's what's wrong with it |
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| 01:12.12 | gameduck | anyone know what is this?? |
| 01:12.12 | gameduck | libmysqlclient.so.10 is needed by (installed) perl-DBD-MySQL-2.1021-3 |
| 01:12.13 | mickeyks | mdh: it's boring |
| 01:12.13 | tetron | gb: ok, I was under the mistaken impression that aptitude was supposed to supercede good 'ol apt-get. obviously I was wrong. aptitude is just another dselect ;-) |
| 01:12.20 | kerx | shoot its |
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| 01:12.22 | kerx | scrolling the screen with |
| 01:12.23 | gb | ok im off to the bush for another coupluh days, bye |
| 01:12.24 | scarynetworkguy | exity |
| 01:12.25 | kerx | can't open dependencies file |
| 01:12.38 | mdh | droopy: many of the common plugins are in debian (unstable, at least) - just apt-get install them (flash, java, etc). The java plugin hasn't been updated for fire*fox* yet, so you have to manually place the symlink in your plugins/ directory |
| 01:12.52 | kerx | lba32 is already in there |
| 01:12.57 | mdh | mickeyks: I didn't realise installing packages was meant to be exciting ;) |
| 01:12.58 | scarynetworkguy | goddamned fob quit working on me |
| 01:13.02 | hyde | aptitude has been good to me in my experiences |
| 01:13.09 | billh | tehrob I made my entire system use /etc/ld.so.preload. Should I remove that and use the environment variable trick insetad ? |
| 01:13.09 | jbr | mdh: nor did I, but I do prefer aptitude in sarge for (eg) its orphantracking |
| 01:13.15 | mdh | gb: enjoy! |
| 01:13.20 | tehrob | billh, doesn't matter |
| 01:13.31 | apacker | nobody good with mplayer can help me? it's (WAS!) the only player that would play my sopranos files without an annoying popping sound.. |
| 01:13.35 | droopy | mdh I just want to add more engines to the search toolbar...no luck?? |
| 01:13.35 | billh | well, apt-get fails with my dante configuration. |
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| 01:13.52 | billh | tehrob but all other programs for the most part work with dante. |
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| 01:13.57 | mickeyks | mdh: i like the aptitude interface. although sometimes it scares me because it's too easy to remove half the system |
| 01:14.03 | mdh | droopy: install ... mycroft? ... then add them |
| 01:14.07 | dan2 | how do I create utf8 charachters |
| 01:14.22 | billh | tehrob I"m stuck with this problem of not being able to run apt-get with dante/ld.so-preload |
| 01:14.22 | thomas_adam | mycroft. :) Holmes' brother. |
| 01:14.23 | tehrob | that question makes no sense, beta3 |
| 01:14.23 | mickeyks | apacker: there is #mplayer |
| 01:14.27 | tcsetattr | dan2, you wanna be more specific? you mean in an editor? in your irc client? where? |
| 01:14.29 | apacker | mickeyks, thanks |
| 01:14.45 | tehrob | billh, ask on the deity list or debian-user lists |
| 01:14.57 | billh | ok |
| 01:14.59 | dan2 | tcsetattr: irc client |
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| 01:15.16 | mdh | mickeyks: I find aptitude's interface unnavigatable, its twice as confusing as dselect and the so-called help isn't. |
| 01:15.17 | droopy | mdh I think it is...I have google, but when I add is my problem. |
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| 01:15.52 | mickeyks | mdh: well, sometimes the package descriptions are too long to fit in the interface, and as far as i can tell there is no way to scroll down. that annoys the hell out of me. |
| 01:15.59 | mdh | droopy: with 0.8 any extension should download in the download manager, then you get prompted to install. make sure you're installing it somewhere you have permission to write to (like your own profile dir) |
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| 01:16.44 | kerx | Ok guys thanks a lot got it up :) |
| 01:16.47 | kerx | So now im networked |
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| 01:16.55 | kerx | now to install kernel 2.4.18 with the modules |
| 01:16.59 | kerx | using apt-get |
| 01:17.01 | kerx | what is the best way? |
| 01:17.05 | kerx | so i know the modules are installed also? |
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