| 00:00.04 | optic | borius_ you said the problems only occur via a putty session, not at the computer |
| 00:00.04 | kenu | and when i insert knoppix cd |
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| 00:00.10 | cvillela | i recently had to do a hard reboot, and now gnome (2.6.1, experimental) is hanging on 'Session Proxy Manager' at the load screen... i've looked at the BTS, but nothing conclusive so far. any ideas? |
| 00:00.16 | _morbid_ | what is the name of the GNU OS compatible with win32? |
| 00:00.18 | g4lt | kenu now, put the CD in your anal crack, and spin it. this will not necessarily install it, but it'll be fun for the rest of us to think of |
| 00:00.19 | kenu | every thnig is ok |
| 00:00.28 | kenu | but xhen i come back to win xp |
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| 00:00.38 | optic | kenu /topic |
| 00:00.40 | locsmif | kenu : go to #knoppix |
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| 00:00.42 | Zap-W | how does it know the disk size without knowing geometry |
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| 00:00.46 | locsmif | they will help you there |
| 00:00.50 | lazarus | borius_: console-tools: /usr/share/consolefonts |
| 00:01.03 | kenu | i'have a partition with winxp systeme 30Go and 80 GO of data |
| 00:01.13 | peterS | Zap-W: modern OSes use linear addressing - the sectors are numbered from 0 to {whatever} |
| 00:01.20 | peterS | Zap-W: and you can ask the disk how many sectors it has |
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| 00:01.32 | kenu | but i dont see the partition of 80 with xp ! can you tell me why ? |
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| 00:01.40 | Ti_Uhl | kenu : this is a debian channel, go to #knoppix they will help u with knoppix related issues |
| 00:01.47 | lazarus | so i guess the question is "why isn't linux using something antiquated for the hd?" |
| 00:01.53 | jojo | Anyone know how you can spin down your SCSI-drive manually? Like with hdparm on an IDE drive. |
| 00:02.06 | lazarus | kenu: xp? this is #debian |
| 00:02.11 | Zap-W | peterS : how do i get rid of the asteriks in cfdisk |
| 00:02.12 | optic | kenu xp won't see the non FAT or NTFS partitions |
| 00:02.13 | kenu | ok i'm sorry i found this chan on a tuto of knoppix thanks |
| 00:02.20 | g4lt | kenu uhm windows wouldn't be able to recognize a linux partition if you paid it |
| 00:02.28 | directhex | that's not true |
| 00:02.34 | peterS | Zap-W: I don't remember what the asterisk means. what did the manual say? |
| 00:02.39 | directhex | there are several ext2, ext3 and reiser drivers for nt5 |
| 00:02.43 | lazarus | kenu: write to whoever stuck THIS channel on a knoppix tutorial and ream them out |
| 00:02.45 | cafuego | g4lt: Actually, it would. Mine does. Paragon Software make an ext2/ext3 driver for windows. Works fine. |
| 00:02.55 | g4lt | cafuego you paid it ;P |
| 00:02.56 | Zap-W | peterS : that the partition dosen't sit on the boundaries of the disk |
| 00:03.02 | optic | directhex true, but in his case that's prolly why |
| 00:03.02 | kenu | it's win xp that dont recognize the partiton ntfs 80Go of data .... |
| 00:03.05 | cafuego | g4lt: No, I didn't. Came free with a magazine. |
| 00:03.08 | Zap-W | wait |
| 00:03.12 | lazarus | kenu: ms is offtopic in #debian |
| 00:03.20 | Zap-W | the partition isn't aligned with the cylinder boundaries |
| 00:03.22 | g4lt | cafuego SOMEONE paid it in your case ;P |
| 00:03.26 | Zap-W | that's what it says |
| 00:03.29 | cafuego | g4lt: Yeah, so? |
| 00:03.30 | directhex | kenu, right click on my compuetr, manage, click disk management, check if it's in there. it might not have a mount point set |
| 00:03.34 | lazarus | kenu: find some other channel to talk about ms in |
| 00:03.34 | peterS | Zap-W: ok then. either ignore it, because it doesn't matter in Linux, or figure out whether Linux is reading the geometry the same way your favorite other OSes, which maybe do care about this, are reading it |
| 00:03.47 | lazarus | directhex: this is #debian please |
| 00:03.56 | g4lt | cafuego ahh, never mind, I did use the "if you paid it" insult. I'm wrong (this time) |
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| 00:03.58 | locsmif | cafuego : do you have a link ? |
| 00:04.02 | Zap-W | peterS yea , pqmagic freaked about this |
| 00:04.28 | cafuego | locsmif: no... google?q=paragon+software+ext2fs+anywhere |
| 00:04.37 | locsmif | that's fine too |
| 00:04.42 | peterS | Zap-W: I've never heard of pqmagic, but I'll take your word for this |
| 00:04.52 | Zap-W | peterS partition magic |
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| 00:05.19 | Zap-W | these asteriks are annoying me , it says to fix it i must enter geometry manually |
| 00:05.39 | peterS | Zap-W: go ahead, then |
| 00:05.47 | anpe | please somebody can help me with module ipw2100? |
| 00:05.56 | Zap-W | where do i get info about the geometry? |
| 00:05.57 | Ti_Uhl | anpe : what is the problem ? |
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| 00:06.16 | anpe | Ti_Uhl I'm spanish, sorry for mi english |
| 00:06.30 | lazarus | anpe: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 00:06.44 | Ti_Uhl | anpe : no prob just ask the question |
| 00:06.44 | lazarus | anpe: /join #debian-es |
| 00:06.44 | Ti_Uhl | :) |
| 00:06.52 | anpe | Ti_Uhl I had charged module satisfactory but devide in's created (eth1) |
| 00:07.08 | locsmif | heh babelfish |
| 00:07.10 | borius | arrghh why are my צהו not working in bash or mcedit? |
| 00:07.16 | borius | this is really annoying |
| 00:07.22 | Ti_Uhl | can anyone make sense of that sentence ? |
| 00:07.22 | lazarus | borius: why are your WHAT? |
| 00:07.22 | Ti_Uhl | :D |
| 00:07.23 | Ti_Uhl | lol |
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| 00:07.30 | borius | lazarus: you dont see them? |
| 00:07.31 | Ti_Uhl | anpe : join #debian-es |
| 00:07.37 | locsmif | charged = loaded |
| 00:07.39 | lazarus | borius: who? |
| 00:07.45 | borius | lazarus: swedish chars |
| 00:07.46 | Zap-W | peterS do i enter same Cylinders Heads and Sectors for all partitions? |
| 00:07.49 | nort0n | heh |
| 00:07.49 | locsmif | satisfactory = succesfully |
| 00:07.55 | lazarus | borius: youo probably need to change your font |
| 00:08.04 | borius | lazarus: bash font??? |
| 00:08.06 | lazarus | borius: i don't support swedish characters here |
| 00:08.12 | locsmif | devide = not any |
| 00:08.12 | lazarus | borius: no, consolefont |
| 00:08.16 | anpe | Ti_Uhl this message is when compiling module |
| 00:08.17 | anpe | Don't forget to copy firmware to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ and have the |
| 00:08.17 | anpe | hotplug tools in place. |
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| 00:08.22 | locsmif | in's = interfaces |
| 00:08.22 | peterS | Zap-W: I do not even know what tool you are using for this |
| 00:08.23 | locsmif | ;) |
| 00:08.36 | yaarg | borius: this might seem like a wild, crazy out there idea but have you tried googling? |
| 00:08.39 | peterS | Zap-W: there are cylinder / head / sector addresses in the partition table that represent partition boundaries |
| 00:08.40 | Zap-W | peterS cfdisk |
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| 00:09.11 | lazarus | borius: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 00:09.20 | yaarg | borius: i'm sure other people in sweden have encountered and solved your problems |
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| 00:09.34 | borius | it's worked in the past... |
| 00:09.40 | Ti_Uhl | anpe : download the ipw firmware and place it the hotplug firmware dir |
| 00:09.57 | Ti_Uhl | anpe : in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 00:10.00 | anpe | Ti_Uhl I have do this |
| 00:10.12 | anpe | I have the firmware files in directory /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 00:10.18 | borius | lazarus: yeah but it's only the keymap |
| 00:10.24 | yaarg | i've give you a clue it has _nothing_ to do with the font |
| 00:10.25 | borius | lazarus: and the keymap is set to se-latin1 |
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| 00:10.45 | lazarus | roooooooooooooooooooooooot |
| 00:10.48 | Zap-W | peterS : well i have a bunch of partitions and they all have asteriks , in cfdisk , in cfdisk manual , if you search for the second * you will find what i mean |
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| 00:11.12 | Ti_Uhl | anpe : did u enable the hotplug features in your kernel |
| 00:11.20 | lazarus | help_sbo: need help with 'man adduser'? |
| 00:11.34 | anpe | Ti_Uhl yes, I have enable hotplug |
| 00:11.56 | Ti_Uhl | is the sysfs mounted ? |
| 00:12.04 | anpe | Ti_Uhl yes |
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| 00:12.15 | lazarus | help_sbo: why are you ircing as root? |
| 00:12.17 | anpe | none /sys sysfs defaults 0 0 |
| 00:12.46 | Ti_Uhl | did u actually mount it because adding it to fstab doesn't mount it |
| 00:12.59 | lazarus | !+u |
| 00:12.59 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 |
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| 00:13.21 | yaarg | borius: try this, cd /usr/share/locale/i18n then localdef -c -f charmaps/ISO-8859-1 -i locale/sv_SE sv_S E.iso-8859-1 |
| 00:13.36 | borius | yaarg: as root? |
| 00:13.37 | lazarus | aol, heh |
| 00:13.43 | yaarg | borius: yeah |
| 00:14.01 | yaarg | borius: then edit /etc/profile and export LC_CTYPE=swedish |
| 00:14.05 | borius | yaarg: ah i dont have i18n |
| 00:14.09 | yaarg | borius: that command many not be exactly right |
| 00:14.27 | yaarg | borius: but you'll ahve to do something along those lines |
| 00:14.38 | borius | yaarg: maybe i should get this i18n thingy? |
| 00:14.55 | Ti_Uhl | anpe : do mount -a as root |
| 00:14.56 | Ti_Uhl | :) |
| 00:15.03 | anpe | yes |
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| 00:15.21 | lazarus | !find /usr/share/local/i18n |
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| 00:15.28 | lazarus | !find /usr/share/locale/i18n |
| 00:15.29 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/share/local/i18n' returned no results. |
| 00:15.30 | Ti_Uhl | anpe : did u restart the hotplugd ? |
| 00:15.35 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/share/locale/i18n' returned no results. |
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| 00:15.53 | lazarus | Ti_Uhl: "u" is not a word |
| 00:16.06 | myren | what u talking about willis? |
| 00:16.20 | Ti_Uhl | lazarus : why do u care :) i'm not adressing YOU |
| 00:16.21 | Ti_Uhl | :D |
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| 00:16.31 | lazarus | Ti_Uhl: you are speaking publically in channel |
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| 00:16.58 | mundane | !u |
| 00:16.58 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 |
| 00:17.01 | borius | i installed locales and it asked me which locale should be default |
| 00:17.04 | lazarus | Ti_Uhl: 716 are subjected to what you type here |
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| 00:17.10 | Ti_Uhl | lol |
| 00:17.10 | Zap-W | LBA stands for linear? |
| 00:17.12 | lazarus | Ti_Uhl: 718 |
| 00:17.12 | Ti_Uhl | :D |
| 00:17.15 | Zap-W | boobies america? |
| 00:17.16 | peterS | Zap-W: yes |
| 00:17.23 | borius | theyre basically sv_se sv_seisosomething sv_se.utf |
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| 00:17.27 | borius | which one? |
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| 00:17.47 | peterS | borius: well, do you want UTF-8 support, or not? |
| 00:17.57 | borius | peterS: uhmmm. do i? heh |
| 00:18.04 | Zap-W | then what's its problem , LBA is set in the BIOS ,.. |
| 00:18.09 | borius | peterS: sorry, dunno what it is and its 2am |
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| 00:18.17 | Ti_Uhl | anpe : you can let the ipw driver get the firmware directly from the hd |
| 00:18.25 | peterS | Zap-W: the problem then is your proprietary software, I suppose |
| 00:18.35 | Ti_Uhl | anpe : put the firmware files in /etc/firmware |
| 00:18.43 | Ti_Uhl | then the ipw driver will find them too |
| 00:18.57 | borius | it's unicode? then i dont want it |
| 00:19.07 | peterS | borius: UTF-8 is probably the way of the future, but it introduces complexity that not all apps can deal with. basically it's an encoding of Unicode, which theoretically allows you to express characters from any language |
| 00:19.25 | Ti_Uhl | anpe : then try bringing op the ipw module and then try the networking |
| 00:19.27 | P2k1 | where could i find "msgfmt"? |
| 00:19.37 | peterS | P2k1: isn't that in libc? |
| 00:19.43 | P2k1 | i don't now |
| 00:19.48 | lazarus | P2k1: gettext: /usr/bin/msgfmt |
| 00:19.57 | P2k1 | thx i will look for it |
| 00:19.58 | peterS | yeah, guess it's in gettext |
| 00:20.18 | lazarus | P2k1: man msgfmt |
| 00:20.30 | borius | hmm swedish chars still not working |
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| 00:20.57 | g4lt | peterS yes, but will it allow tengwar and piqad? |
| 00:21.06 | P2k1 | thx gettext wasn't installed :> |
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| 00:21.07 | lazarus | aren't locales only sourced at startup? |
| 00:21.17 | peterS | g4lt: I do not know. presumably it depends on what fonts you have installed. |
| 00:21.36 | borius | uh? |
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| 00:22.45 | peterS | borius: linux console, or X11? if the former, you may need to /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh start |
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| 00:23.18 | borius | didnt work |
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| 00:24.41 | tds | Is there anyway to get find to output escaped spaces? |
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| 00:26.18 | tcsetattr | if anyone can guess what tds means, they should win a prize |
| 00:26.43 | lazarus | Tabular Data Stream |
| 00:26.45 | gcbirzan | Tabular Data Strean |
| 00:26.47 | gcbirzan | Heh. |
| 00:26.53 | tcsetattr | ok then. |
| 00:26.53 | lazarus | n? |
| 00:26.55 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: samir? |
| 00:26.55 | dpkg | Yes, this is horrible, this idea! |
| 00:26.59 | jbr | tds: I think you're probably looking for find -print0 |
| 00:27.13 | gcbirzan | lazarus: Copy/paste from Virtual Entity of Relevant Acronyms (vera) :-) |
| 00:27.14 | tcsetattr | oh yes, print0 |
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| 00:27.44 | lazarus | these bots are annoying |
| 00:28.04 | peterS | lazarus: good thing we have the antibotbot |
| 00:28.06 | FieldySnuts | ignore them |
| 00:28.13 | tcsetattr | tds, consider that filenames can contain not just spaces but newlines! nothing short of -print0 can avoid ambiguity |
| 00:28.21 | FieldySnuts | you, like he-man, have the power |
| 00:28.23 | lazarus | FieldySnuts: how would one put them on ignore before they join? |
| 00:28.46 | FieldySnuts | KCI? |
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| 00:28.55 | lazarus | /ignore everythingthatwillbeautokilled |
| 00:28.59 | peterS | lazarus: maybe fieldy has /ignore #debian JOINS QUITS |
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| 00:29.33 | lazarus | peterS: those are useful though for the non-bots ,sigh |
| 00:29.41 | peterS | lazarus: agreed |
| 00:30.02 | deadcat | help with this module error please: /kernel/drivers/media/video/bttv.o: unresolved symbol video_register_device_R6c9ee0eb |
| 00:30.07 | peterS | lazarus: you could run a script that buffers join messages for a couple of seconds and then doesn't show them if the party quits |
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| 00:30.29 | lazarus | peterS: i'm just wishing the bot-owner would realize the futility of coming to freenode (though probably it's all cracked machines) |
| 00:30.40 | peterS | lazarus: yeah, it is |
| 00:30.41 | _axel | hi, i have a question regarding group quotas... if i set of quota of 500MB for group 'users', that means: a) every user in the group users gets 500MB quota; b) all users in the group have 500MB quota in total |
| 00:31.10 | lazarus | _axel: the latter would be extremely had to be fair about |
| 00:31.29 | lazarus | _axel: user1 499 user2 1 |
| 00:31.37 | _axel | yeah, but who knows |
| 00:31.59 | deadcat | _axel: b |
| 00:32.11 | lazarus | s/had/hard/ |
| 00:32.18 | peterS | lazarus: hard to be fair, but if you've got a bunch of projects that all have web space in a partition, say, you might regulate it by group instead of by user |
| 00:32.37 | tcsetattr | axel_, it's the total for the group. |
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| 00:32.42 | cafuego | _axel: Yeah, but you could also add a lower soft quota for each individual user in that group. |
| 00:32.46 | _axel | so it's (b) then ? |
| 00:32.48 | tcsetattr | axel_, if you want individual quotas, you don't need to use group quotas! |
| 00:32.57 | g4lt | peterS hmm, you think someone like sourceforge might like that idea ;P |
| 00:33.03 | _axel | what i'd like is to assign X quota to every new user when it is added |
| 00:33.13 | tcsetattr | if you want (a), that's what user quota is for. having group quota do (a) would be redundant and therefore stupid |
| 00:33.34 | peterS | g4lt: possibly |
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| 00:33.42 | deadcat | i have 2 "video_register_device" for my tuner, what might cause this? |
| 00:33.47 | _axel | can that be done? |
| 00:34.00 | _axel | automatically i mean |
| 00:34.08 | g4lt | trivially |
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| 00:34.27 | tcsetattr | _axel, write yourself a script that calls adduser (or useradd) then does setquota |
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| 00:34.41 | tcsetattr | or edquota -p ... |
| 00:34.47 | jbr | _axel: me, I'd put it in adduser.local |
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| 00:35.14 | tcsetattr | ah, adduser.local, that's the True Debian Way :) |
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| 00:35.38 | _axel | i just noticed i was looking at a freebsd edquota page |
| 00:35.54 | tcsetattr | well, Linux's edquota is pretty much a copy of the BSD one. |
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| 00:35.57 | _axel | it says: edquota -p test 10000-19999 |
| 00:36.04 | _axel | that would be a uid range |
| 00:36.13 | lazarus | _axel: man edquota on the box in question :) |
| 00:36.20 | _axel | but the linux manpage says something different |
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| 00:36.35 | _axel | -p protoname |
| 00:36.39 | _axel | whatever that means |
| 00:36.42 | tcsetattr | ok, it's not an exact copy. I like setquota better than edquota, it makes more sense |
| 00:37.06 | tcsetattr | the "protoname" is the username of a "protoytpe user". You set the protouser's quotas manually, then the -p copies his quota info to the other users |
| 00:37.19 | tcsetattr | setquota is better. |
| 00:37.21 | lazarus | _axel: Duplicate the quotas of the prototypical user specified for each user specified. |
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| 00:38.12 | _axel | i found some wacky awk l33tness in the quota mini-howto, i might try that |
| 00:38.25 | g4lt | ah shit, a piespy bot |
| 00:38.31 | g4lt | !ops |
| 00:38.32 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your problem. |
| 00:38.40 | idnar | what is piespy? |
| 00:38.49 | g4lt | piespy is a stats bot |
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| 00:39.08 | g4lt | ot really kosher to have join a channel unless the ops sign off |
| 00:39.25 | helix | g4lt: what kind of stats bot? |
| 00:39.32 | peterS | helix: basically like debstats |
| 00:39.34 | cievo | g4lt what does it do ? |
| 00:39.45 | helix | does someone own it? |
| 00:39.50 | jbr | http://www.jibble.org/piespy/ |
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| 00:40.24 | helix | ah, creepy |
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| 00:40.28 | g4lt | helix I have no idea, I do know about piespy bots, since one of the channels I play around in has one willingly |
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| 00:40.47 | peterS | heh. flood. |