| 00:00.06 | mentor | g4lt: Haha! It's a conspiracy! |
| 00:00.46 | thomas_adam | mentor: get your facts straight. even to me. |
| 00:00.53 | mentor | g4lt: Well, you can call yourself an asshole all you want. |
| 00:00.53 | Ti_Uhl | do i really need the discover deamon ? |
| 00:00.53 | Ti_Uhl | what does it actually do ? |
| 00:01.00 | Ti_Uhl | look for hardware and probe the modules ? |
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| 00:01.32 | mentor | Ti_Uhl: It listens to hotplug events on the various buses your copmuter has? |
| 00:01.51 | asg | g4lt: didn't know you were a Leary fan |
| 00:01.53 | Ti_Uhl | mentor : so i should keep it ? |
| 00:02.01 | joh | TMM: hmm, I think that's it! I think I removed the ide-scsi module from /etc/modules because I didn't think I needed it! let me try! |
| 00:02.01 | joh | TMM: no, same error :( |
| 00:02.04 | TMM | Ti_Uhl, I think discover only looks for pci hardware and friends, it's not much use for usb/pcmcia/ieee1394 and friends |
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| 00:02.15 | g4lt | asg well, yeah |
| 00:02.18 | asg | g4lt: :) |
| 00:02.37 | asg | dondelelcaro: it's difficult; that's why my wife takes care of it for me |
| 00:03.04 | vladkao | haha |
| 00:03.04 | dondelelcaro | asg: yeah, but in a research talk? I can barely introduce what I'm talking about in 20... |
| 00:03.05 | g4lt | asg it was kind of forced. I'd'a preferred the drive really slow, but hey |
| 00:03.14 | asg | dondelelcaro: in that respect, true. |
| 00:03.22 | asg | g4lt: hehe |
| 00:03.33 | joh | what does this mean? ehci_hcd 0000:00:02.2: Unlink after no-IRQ? Different ACPI or APIC settings may help. |
| 00:03.40 | g4lt | dondelelcaro you have ten whole minutes? piece of cake. |
| 00:04.15 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: it's easy to talk for 10 minutes... it's difficult to talk for only 10 minutes. |
| 00:04.40 | asg | dondelelcaro: like you said it depends on the audience |
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| 00:04.57 | asg | dondelelcaro: when I talk to the bosses, they glaze over at about 3.5 on average |
| 00:04.58 | g4lt | dondelelcaro depends: in hte .mil we used to get to describe entire careers |
| 00:05.07 | dogayonv | msg dpkg sshx |
| 00:05.08 | g4lt | +7 |
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| 00:05.22 | dogayonv | lol |
| 00:05.31 | dogayonv | thanks |
| 00:05.32 | dondelelcaro | asg: dang. well, I guess, judging from student attention levels, that's not unusual... |
| 00:05.51 | asg | dondelelcaro: unfortunately :( |
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| 00:06.18 | dondelelcaro | asg: yeah, we should put them all on ritalin... if you can't concentrate on the same thing for more than 2 hours, you need to work at it. |
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| 00:06.39 | asg | dondelelcaro: the trick to good classes is to get a few people that care + the prof, go to a pub and talk over food and beer/wine |
| 00:06.48 | Justin | dondelelcaro: my concentation works recursively :-) |
| 00:06.52 | asg | dondelelcaro: my latin classes were like that; wonderful. |
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| 00:07.31 | davis__ | anybody ever use xtrap (xwindows automation tool) here? |
| 00:07.44 | asg | Justin: you're just saying that because you wrote code to solve the 'Wuzzle' in the paper :) |
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| 00:08.22 | Justin | asg: well that too, but I mean I'll go do something for a while, then come back to what I was doing a few hour laters |
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| 00:08.45 | asg | Justin: ah, okay. |
| 00:09.28 | Wyzard | Anyone know how CUPS's "texttops" filter is supposed to know what size paper it's printing on? |
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| 00:10.22 | IceDC571 | hey im trying to get X to start.. I told it I have an ATI card, but its trying to start from a PCI slot |
| 00:10.30 | IceDC571 | how do I make it start from AGP instead? |
| 00:10.42 | Justin | !tell IceDC571 about X problem |
| 00:10.53 | Wyzard | AGP cards are also addressable as PCI |
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| 00:12.02 | zeo33x | hi all, how do i start another gdm session on tty8? |
| 00:12.10 | IceDC571 | ugh fine ill go figure it out myself |
| 00:12.23 | mentor | zeo33x: You possibly dont? Maybe another gdm screen? |
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| 00:12.37 | zeo33x | mentor: thats what i mean, another gdm screen |
| 00:12.38 | Wyzard | iceman: "It's trying to start from a PCI slot" doesn't convey any information that anyone could use to help you |
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| 00:12.58 | directhex | i think he means it's set to busid pci(1:0:0) |
| 00:13.02 | directhex | i.e. agp |
| 00:13.15 | mentor | Wyzard: He needs time to read and understand your answer. |
| 00:13.42 | zeo33x | mentor: tips? |
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| 00:14.19 | JunK-Y | http://personal.baker.edu/web2/cdavis09/roses.html |
| 00:14.24 | JunK-Y | isnt easy |
| 00:14.26 | saloxin | zeo33x: sudo startx -- :1 starts another x, but no gdm |
| 00:14.32 | green-ears | Wyzard: is xserver setup for the ati driver and the refresh rates are they right |
| 00:14.45 | cafuego | saloxin: Configure gdm to start a second server on :1 - via the gdm config files. |
| 00:14.48 | zeo33x | saloxin: hmm.. i remember something in gdm.conf that i can do |
| 00:14.54 | mentor | zeo33x: Just add another instance in gdm.conf and restart. |
| 00:15.04 | zeo33x | alright thanx |
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| 00:15.06 | comex | kcin |
| 00:15.08 | comex | oops |
| 00:15.08 | eeyore- | saloxin: if you have gdm/gnome, menu bar -> application -> system tools -> new login |
| 00:15.11 | comex | sorry |
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| 00:15.25 | cafuego | eeyore-: Hmmyea, but that's Xnest, innit? |
| 00:15.36 | asg | Justin: ewww, it's flash |
| 00:15.40 | asg | bah |
| 00:15.45 | eeyore- | cafuego: let's see |
| 00:15.47 | asg | JunK-Y: ewww, it's flash |
| 00:15.56 | JunK-Y | asg: huh? |
| 00:15.59 | JunK-Y | i mean, the logic |
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| 00:16.05 | JunK-Y | finding the algorythm. |
| 00:16.07 | comex | does anyone know how to fix "Warning: Partition 2 is 70003.951Mb, but the file system is 64849.848Mb." |
| 00:16.08 | meffe | anyone using the imq device on debian? i am wondering if there are any deb lines for an imq patched iptables.. |
| 00:16.09 | Justin | zeo33x: try looking in your menus under Apps/system |
| 00:16.11 | eclipsex_ | test |
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| 00:16.36 | eeyore- | cafuego: nope, it's an honest to goodness another gdm session on another VT |
| 00:16.37 | mentor | cafuego: no. starts another Xserver. |
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| 00:17.08 | locsmif | comex : resize2fs if you use ext2 or ext3 |
| 00:17.09 | mentor | that's actually quite impressive. |
| 00:17.15 | comex | no, it's a ntfs |
| 00:17.16 | mentor | parted. |
| 00:17.22 | cafuego | eeyore-: oh, whee :-) |
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| 00:17.37 | mentor | comex: ug. not really supported... |
| 00:17.46 | locsmif | comex, did you create that from linux? |
| 00:17.49 | comex | no |
| 00:18.05 | eeyore- | comex: partition magic? |
| 00:18.06 | mentor | comex: Sounds like the partition table size, and the actuall filesystem size are out of sync...possible geometry mismatches... |
| 00:18.21 | mentor | comex: Fix either part table, or use a third party tool for ntfs. |
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| 00:18.29 | comex | how do I fix the table? |
| 00:19.08 | locsmif | mentor, does linux use any bios calls when addressing harddisk sectors ? |
| 00:19.24 | eeyore- | locsmif: no |
| 00:19.27 | mentor | locsmif: Not AFAIK. |
| 00:19.38 | mentor | which reminds me. |
| 00:19.56 | eeyore- | locsmif: it's really not safe to assume that all bios calls are safe to call from kernel |
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| 00:20.41 | locsmif | eeyore- , no I was assuming the kernel is more likely to be right than the bios about geometry :) |
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| 00:21.25 | comex | parted also gives this message whenever it starts: Warning: Unable to align partition properly. This probably means that anothe partitioning tool generated an incorrect partition table, because it didn't have the correct BIOS geometry. |
| 00:21.27 | eeyore- | locsmif: sometimes you just have to start with a clean partition table when all else fail ... |
| 00:21.29 | saloxin | locsmif: kernel doesn't, but lilo does |
| 00:21.41 | Ti_Uhl | bye |
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| 00:22.23 | mentor | Linux seems to be picking up the 'large' geometry on my hard disks rather than the 'lba' geometry. This is causing problems with GrUB. Do I set the BIOS geometry to large or get Linux to pick up the LBA geometry. |
| 00:22.25 | mentor | ? |
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| 00:22.57 | KrOnOs[PKA] | how do i kill a logged user? |
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| 00:23.14 | saloxin | KrOnOs[PKA]: slay :) |
| 00:23.14 | mentor | KrOnOs[PKA]: With a knife? |
| 00:23.21 | slickrick | flush down the toilet |
| 00:23.42 | eeyore- | mentor: it depends. have you got data on the disk that you can't afford to lose? in that case, set bios values (C/H/S) to match that on partition table. if you don't mind losing data, set bios to LBA, go in to linux, make a new (clean, zero, empty) partition table |
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| 00:24.25 | mentor | eeyore-: Ah, so it's picking up hte wrong geometry from the partition table? |
| 00:24.37 | locsmif | what's the difference between large and LBA? |
| 00:24.43 | eeyore- | mentor: the partition table also has C/H/S setting, yes :-D |
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| 00:24.50 | mickeyks | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.00 | mentor | mickeyks: sudo |
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| 00:25.10 | mentor | locsmif: If you find out, do tell. |
| 00:25.19 | locsmif | mentor ;) |
| 00:25.25 | eeyore- | mentor: did you transplant this hard drive from another machine? |
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| 00:25.37 | KrOnOs[PKA] | how do i kill a logged user? |
| 00:25.38 | Loading | sup |
| 00:25.38 | punktux | when i apt-get upgrade i got the errors saying that packages related to console-data euro-support-console and console-common cannot be processed...why? |
| 00:25.44 | mentor | eeyore-: repeatedly. |
| 00:25.48 | locsmif | LBA is 48 bit sector addressing I read somewhere..I'm googleing it |
| 00:25.50 | mickeyks | mentor: i'm familiar with that, but is the way i'm talking about not possible/used? like having a "src" group? |
| 00:26.12 | eeyore- | mentor: yeah, sounds like it. sounds like one of your machine has older bios than the other, and didn't/doesn't compute LBA values correctly |
| 00:26.19 | Loading | is this the room for ppc suppor or do they have their own chanel? |
| 00:26.27 | Loading | support |
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| 00:26.56 | eclipsex_ | hello |
| 00:27.07 | eclipsex_ | im compiling a kernel .... |
| 00:27.22 | eeyore- | mentor: and it sounds like you made the partition table on one machine, which when you transport the drive to the other, the LBA values no longer match |
| 00:27.24 | eclipsex_ | but i am having troubles with finding the right moduel for my ethernet card |
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| 00:27.46 | mentor | mickeyks: You should be able to allow anyone to apt-get source by setting the permissions on /etc/apt/preferences and doing hte stuff without the lock; but no there is no apt-get group/permission. |
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| 00:28.05 | mentor | eeyore-: *mod* |
| 00:28.08 | mentor | s/m/n/ |
| 00:28.08 | eclipsex_ | when i used a default kernel i used arpio_proc |
| 00:28.13 | eclipsex_ | and the _core |
| 00:28.26 | mickeyks | mentor: ok thanks |
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| 00:29.20 | locsmif | KrOnOs[PKA] do ps -H aux and look for the associated terminal |
| 00:29.26 | IceDC571 | okay so here's my log http://www.sexycatsinhats.com/XFree86.0.log |
| 00:29.31 | locsmif | then kill all associated processes |
| 00:29.33 | IceDC571 | anyone know what could be the problem? |
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| 00:30.58 | eeyore- | wardriving, warflying, warsailing ... what's next? warscubadiving? |
| 00:31.13 | Loading | warskateboarding |
| 00:31.18 | locsmif | warbicycling |
| 00:31.31 | locsmif | warstepping |
| 00:31.37 | eeyore- | Loading: would be fun to chalkmark the symbols :) |
| 00:31.37 | Loading | wardancing |
| 00:31.43 | Loading | lol |
| 00:31.51 | mentor | warnekkedvolleyball |
| 00:31.56 | Loading | any of u guys tried the beta 4 installer yet? |
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| 00:32.40 | directhex | beta 4 is obsolete |
| 00:32.54 | NigelS | warhanggliding - that'd be fun to watch :) |
| 00:32.54 | directhex | i've installed test candidate 1 on a machine & on virtualpc though |
| 00:32.57 | Loading | so dont try that one |
| 00:33.00 | Loading | ? |
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| 00:33.10 | Loading | should i pick up a daily build? |
| 00:33.20 | bobstro | locsmif: i did do a sniff on a plane once |
| 00:33.24 | bobstro | warflying i guess |
| 00:33.27 | eeyore- | this is the weirdest thing. i bought one of those Lilliput 7" LCD displays (for use in my carputer) and it's got "transistor memory" :) at certain frequency/resolution (848x480 @ 70-ish Hz) i see the infamouse "jurassic park" screen. it seems these displays are recycled from pachinko machine :) cool. i know it's nothing to do with debian, just thought it's cool/weird. |
| 00:34.08 | mentor | eeyore-: heh. |
| 00:34.12 | eeyore- | first time that happened to me when i loaded viafb, i thought ... wtf, is it viafb / video card doing that? or is it a test pattern? |
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| 00:34.54 | bobstro | i guess i could bring up an ap on a plane and probably get a few connects |
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| 00:35.15 | eeyore- | good night, folks |
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| 00:35.23 | green-ears | Loading: sarge beta 4 and no problems runs well |
| 00:35.23 | tuzlo | whats the GUI interafce to Apt? |
| 00:35.30 | directhex | synaptic? |
| 00:35.38 | tuzlo | thats it |
| 00:35.41 | locsmif | bobstro, you might pick up on NASA traffic ;) |
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| 00:36.54 | green-ears | Loading: just in case http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
| 00:37.20 | Loading | cool thanx |
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| 00:38.06 | green-ears | tuzlo: aptitude from the command line and kpackage and synaptic from a desktop |
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| 00:39.43 | cafuego | !info libapache2-mod-php4 sarge |
| 00:39.46 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php4: (A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.4-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 1595 kB, Installed size: 3100 kB |
| 00:39.54 | cafuego | !info libapache2-mod-php4 sid |
| 00:39.57 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-php4: (A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.4-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1595 kB, Installed size: 3100 kB |
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| 00:42.43 | locsmif | mentor : http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/bios/modesLBA-c.html |
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| 00:44.31 | slickrick | how come debian isnt popular anymore |
| 00:44.38 | slickrick | i mean like it used to be THE distro |
| 00:44.38 | Loading | gentoo |
| 00:44.42 | slickrick | and now everyone went to gentoo |
| 00:44.47 | slickrick | but gentoo sucks in comparison |
| 00:44.52 | Loading | not really |
| 00:44.55 | slickrick | yeah |
| 00:44.59 | Loading | they both have their pros n cons |
| 00:45.01 | slickrick | gentoo takes forever to install |
| 00:45.07 | Loading | gentoo sux as a server |
| 00:45.12 | Loading | owns as a desktop |
| 00:45.13 | slickrick | gentoo sucks period |
| 00:45.16 | Loading | nah |
| 00:45.20 | slickrick | whatever |
| 00:45.22 | Loading | i like it |
| 00:45.24 | Loading | i run it |
| 00:45.25 | slickrick | i just dont like it |
| 00:45.29 | slickrick | its alright i guess |
| 00:45.32 | slickrick | but i like debian more |
| 00:45.38 | Loading | each to his own |
| 00:45.40 | Loading | :) |
| 00:45.59 | Loading | my only linux experince is with gentoo though |
| 00:46.04 | green-ears | slickrick: when sarge out things will more for debian i think |
| 00:46.07 | Loading | im installing debian for 1st time tonight |
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| 00:48.19 | green-ears | Loading: check the link its for install how to http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 based on woody but ok for sarge |
| 00:48.35 | Loading | im using debian-ppc |
| 00:48.45 | Loading | <---mac guy |
| 00:48.45 | dondelelcaro | Loading: it's the same... there's virtually no difference. |
| 00:48.46 | Loading | :) |
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| 00:48.50 | jayjayjay | is there a website for general infos about choosing a windows managers? |
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| 00:49.02 | dondelelcaro | Loading: the only slight change is that you're using yaboot instead of lilo or grub. |
| 00:49.23 | dondelelcaro | jayjayjay: not to my knowledge... but they're all different... kind of depends what you're doing. |
| 00:50.04 | green-ears | Loading: i think things will be nearly the same as a pc ? the howto as a good section on xserver tup |
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| 00:50.59 | Loading | cool |
| 00:51.00 | dondelelcaro | green-ears: for X setup, you really don't have to do much more than installing discover (which the sarge d-i does) and then install X. |
| 00:51.04 | Loading | thanx |
| 00:51.11 | jayjayjay | dondelelcaro: ok, in fact i am looking for highly customizable and light w.m. like enlightenment-- |
| 00:51.29 | Wyzard | E is light? |
| 00:51.37 | hyde | heh, enlightenment isn't really light |
| 00:51.38 | dondelelcaro | jayjayjay: heh. light and enlightenment don't belong in the same sentence. |
| 00:51.42 | Wyzard | Oroborus is light |
| 00:51.48 | dondelelcaro | ratpoison is light. |
| 00:51.51 | bofh80 | xfce4 is real nice |
| 00:52.15 | hyde | i second that |
| 00:52.17 | locsmif | mentor, apparently large is (almost) synonymous to Extended CHS, which is inferior to LBA |
| 00:52.18 | bofh80 | hallo everyone |
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| 00:52.25 | green-ears | dondelelcaro: things can go wrong xserver setup. howto just in case |
| 00:52.28 | Wyzard | CHS should die |
| 00:52.29 | betoreyez | xfce is good enought... |
| 00:52.33 | Wyzard | LBA should be used exclusively |
| 00:52.41 | jayjayjay | dondelelcaro: sorry for my english, but i meant light like you can have nearly nothing |
| 00:52.54 | locsmif | CHS, large and ECHS have a 8,4 GB limit |
| 00:53.10 | dondelelcaro | jayjayjay: yes, you can just have openbox... no need for gnome or kde. In fact, most WM work like that. |
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| 00:53.52 | bofh80 | anybody been playin with the exchange connector for ximian since it became free? |
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| 00:54.22 | j4cbo | anyone know why the sound in quake 2 wouldn't work? |
| 00:54.30 | jayjayjay | dondelelcaro: i don t know if i was clear, in fact what i like in E , is borderless etc.. you know "light" but i ll look at openbox thx |
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| 00:55.00 | dondelelcaro | jayjayjay: that's just a function of the theme. almost every WM can have very little adornment to the windows. |
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| 00:56.00 | mentor | locsmif: yes. |
| 00:56.09 | mentor | locsmif: Just looked. Thanks. Spiftastic. |
| 00:56.29 | dan2 | whats the driver for the pcmcia intel plugin ethernet 10/100 on toshiba tecra 8000 |
| 00:56.37 | jayjayjay | dondelelcaro: yes that s true, in fact i d like to know how much E is used? is it good? etc...but it is like for the distrib it is a matter of opinions and uses (but debian is the best,ok ok ...:) |
| 00:56.38 | lucas | jayjayjay: openbox can be configured to toggle borderless decor with a key-binding |
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| 00:57.06 | cray2 | guys |
| 00:57.11 | cray2 | i have a very serious problem |
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| 00:57.16 | cray2 | i do not know where else to turn |
| 00:57.16 | j4cbo | ...? |
| 00:57.20 | cray2 | please, do not mock me |
| 00:57.26 | cray2 | it is not my problem per se |
| 00:57.28 | directhex | !spit it out |
| 00:57.31 | Wyzard | dan2: If you have pcmcia-cs and hotplug set up correctly, inserted CardBus cards should show up with "lspci" |
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| 00:58.01 | cray2 | my boss has a win2k3 server on the 'net and it was hacked. ftp server is running on port 80, IIs is stopped and wont start, yet there are no ftp services or tasks running. how do i kill something that doesnt exsist?! |
| 00:58.13 | locsmif | lol |
| 00:58.23 | Wyzard | cray2: Why are you asking a Windows question in #debian? |
| 00:58.25 | cray2 | well |
| 00:58.28 | dan2 | Wyzard: they aren't |
| 00:58.34 | dondelelcaro | jayjayjay: you can always check popcon for stuff like that... but personally, try a bunch out, and figure out which ones you like. |
| 00:58.50 | directhex | i'd say xfce4, form personal messing |
| 00:58.50 | cray2 | you're all quite knowledgeable and many of you have worked or have to work with windows on some level and therefore know somewhat about it and i dont know where else to go. |
| 00:58.57 | j4cbo | cray2: well, considering you're in debian... |
| 00:59.00 | j4cbo | i'd suggest installing debian :) |
| 00:59.05 | Wyzard | cray2: If it was hacked, don't bother trying to kill the process -- you want to reinstall the OS |
| 00:59.07 | bofh80 | cray2 |
| 00:59.19 | cray2 | j4cbo: i did too, but he's not convinced (wtf?) |
| 00:59.19 | dondelelcaro | cray2: there are #windows channels on other networks which would be more appropriate. |
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| 00:59.31 | bofh80 | pm me |
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| 00:59.46 | locsmif | cray2, have him come in here |
| 01:00.00 | j4cbo | tell him if you don't reformat and install something (win or linux) he could get sued for transmitting warez or something |
| 01:00.05 | j4cbo | almost the truth... |
| 01:00.09 | cray2 | locsmif he's now watching |
| 01:00.18 | locsmif | BOSS INSTALL DEBIAN |
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| 01:00.24 | Wyzard | lol |
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| 01:00.27 | cray2 | he loled |
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| 01:00.49 | j4cbo | !lol |
| 01:00.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, lol is Laugh{s,ing} Out Loud. A laugh sound is not spelled "lol" nor is "lol" punctuation. If you want to quickly indicate that you're laughing, use "heh" or "haha" in the first person and "lol" or "is lol" in the third person ("/me"). See also: ne1, u, ur. |
| 01:00.52 | directhex | hate to say it, but services for unix is vital - "ps -ef " gives oodles more info & has much more control over finding & killing rogue processes than nt on its own |
| 01:00.53 | Infohawk | I compiled a new kernel using alsa instead of oss, but now alsa mutes my sound every time upon reboot. How do I get around this? |
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| 01:01.07 | j4cbo | Infohawk: alsactl store |
| 01:01.11 | Gandalfar | Where is NEW quoue located? |
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| 01:01.27 | j4cbo | set the volume how you want it, then alsactl store |
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| 01:01.41 | jayjayjay | dondelelcaro: can you tell me what "try a bunch out" means please? |
| 01:01.48 | FieldySnuts | !lart jayjayjay |
| 01:02.01 | Wyzard | cray2: Doesn't Windows have a netstat command that shows which processes are listening on which ports? |
| 01:02.03 | directhex | it means "install a bunch of window managers & try them" |
| 01:02.23 | directhex | Wyzard, no process info, just the ports & addresses for local & remote |
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| 01:02.48 | Wyzard | ah... I forgot, even in Linux, it's "lsof -i" that shows which process |
| 01:02.48 | doobiean | Infohawk: why not install latest kernel, 2.6 has alsa compiled in |
| 01:02.56 | j4cbo | in any case, if a system's been 0wned, there's no choice but to reinstall |
| 01:02.57 | Infohawk | doobiean, that's exactly what I did |
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| 01:03.05 | Infohawk | j4cbo, what package is that part of |
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| 01:03.07 | Justin | tell Wyzard about open ports |
| 01:03.12 | dondelelcaro | jayjayjay: apt-cache search window-manager; and see if there are any others that you are interested in. |
| 01:03.23 | jayjayjay | FieldySnuts: sorry but i dont speak good english , and i dont know the word bunch, but now i figured ou what it means... |
| 01:03.33 | Justin | windows netstat is completely useless unless you are on certain versions of it, then only if it feels like telling you the information you want |
| 01:03.37 | Wyzard | Justin: I know |
| 01:03.41 | locsmif | cray2 use KNOPPIX www.knoppix.net or BartPE http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder to do some forensics, rootkit and/or virusscanning |
| 01:03.41 | dan2 | Wyzard: I am not sure why this isn't working, it worked fine during the install |
| 01:03.50 | jayjayjay | dondelelcaro: goodidea |
| 01:03.59 | Wyzard | dan2: Remove the card and insert it again... you should get some console messages |
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| 01:04.04 | dan2 | Wyzard: ok |
| 01:04.05 | directhex | xfce4! |
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| 01:04.15 | jayjayjay | i have to go know. thanks for everything guys |
| 01:04.15 | j4cbo | Infohawk: no idea, it was there by default when i installed unstable |
| 01:04.29 | j4cbo | anyone have any experience with quake 2? |
| 01:04.40 | directhex | define "experiences" |
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| 01:04.56 | Mag007 | I have just installed CVSD, how can I find out what CVSHOME is? |
| 01:04.57 | j4cbo | managed to get it to work on debian |
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| 01:05.00 | Wyzard | j4cbo: I've played it through to the end... what sort of "experience" do you have in mind? |
| 01:05.03 | Wyzard | ah |
| 01:05.05 | Wyzard | haven't tried that |
| 01:05.11 | j4cbo | well, sound isn't working at all |
| 01:05.12 | Wyzard | Q3 works nicely though |
| 01:05.14 | j4cbo | with the demo |
| 01:05.18 | Mag007 | err, the CVSROOT is |
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| 01:06.17 | dan2 | Wyzard: unable to map memory errors |
| 01:06.50 | dan2 | Wyzard: something like this: cs: unable to map card memory |
| 01:06.53 | locsmif | cray2, further more, use imaging, and signature verifying (sigverif.exe) and if you *must* use windows, NEVER USE WINDOWS AS A FIREWALL OR WEBSERVER. use linux/debian as your server infrastructure at least |
| 01:07.43 | Wyzard | dan2: hmm... no idea there, sorry |
| 01:07.55 | dan2 | Wyzard: ok |
| 01:08.18 | Wyzard | dan2: Try some different cards if you have any available, just to see if they work |
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| 01:09.39 | Wyzard | dan2: What should happen is that pcmcia_cs recognizes a new CardBus card, sets it up as a PCI device, and generates a hotplug event for its insertion |
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| 01:09.56 | Wyzard | dan2: The hotplug system then takes care of loading modules and such |
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| 01:10.23 | fantasticbuff | i'm going from 2.2.20 kernel to compiling a new 2.6.6 kernel. any problems i should know about? |
| 01:10.34 | directhex | whan you say "managed to get it to work on debian", you did "apt-get install quake2"? |
| 01:10.39 | cray2 | bofh8 you there? |
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| 01:11.02 | j4cbo | no, i installed it by hand |
| 01:11.07 | j4cbo | everything works but sound |
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| 01:11.27 | Justin | fantasticbuff: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4., install one of those |
| 01:11.48 | fantasticbuff | justin: no kernel image, i'm setting up a firewall |
| 01:11.50 | krezel | Does anybody know a way to just dump a listing to stdout of packages that have available updates, ala "apt-get upgrade" before you confirm? |
| 01:12.00 | Wyzard | j4cbo: Quake2 probably uses OSS sound... if you're using ALSA, you need to have the snd-pcm-oss module loaded or Quake will think you have no sound support in your kernel |
| 01:12.17 | faxo | thanks guys for helping me ... now my powerfull jukebox zen nomad works !!! |
| 01:12.20 | faxo | \o/ !!! |
| 01:12.21 | spoopin | krezel: apt-get install apt-show-versions |
| 01:12.36 | faxo | now give me mp3 !^:p |
| 01:12.43 | bleh_ | im missing /boot/boot-menu.b any way to get it back? |
| 01:12.44 | j4cbo | well, snd_pcm_oss is loaded |
| 01:12.56 | spoopin | krezel: something like 'apt-show-versions -u -b' will do the trick |
| 01:13.05 | krezel | spoopin: Thanks, thats awesome |
| 01:13.13 | spoopin | krezel: np |
| 01:14.00 | Wyzard | j4cbo: If your sound card doesn't support hardware mixing, you might have another process running (such as an ESD or ArTS daemon) which is using the sound device so Quake can't open it |
| 01:14.03 | krezel | Wyzard: I'm using alsa, and I've got the snd-pcm-oss module loaded, but my Quake sound is terribly choppy. Any ideas? |
| 01:14.14 | green-ears | fantasticbuff: you can still firewall with a kernel-image its iptables that do the work. i think so. reason why kernel-image install is it quicker and too big a junp to 2.6 |
| 01:14.38 | Wyzard | krezel: No idea -- I can play Q3 with no sound problems (SB Live, ALSA) |
| 01:14.38 | j4cbo | Wyzard: it won't even start up unless i kill artsd, but sound doesn't work even then |
| 01:14.52 | Wyzard | j4cbo: Mixer settings maybe? Other than that, I don't know. |
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| 01:15.05 | krezel | hmm thanks |
| 01:15.31 | j4cbo | ooh... it says: |
| 01:15.35 | j4cbo | /dev/dsp: Broken pipe |
| 01:15.36 | j4cbo | Could not toggle. |
| 01:15.50 | directhex | faxo, next time get a natively supported linux player, like the rio karma |
| 01:16.10 | dan2 | Wyzard: I can't figure it out |
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| 01:16.22 | j4cbo | i get the same thing even when i use twm, nothing else touching the sound... |
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| 01:16.34 | n00b | hi guys! |
| 01:16.49 | n00b | i have question! |
| 01:16.55 | directhex | !ask |
| 01:16.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 01:17.00 | faxo | directhex, ... 30 gb ? |
| 01:17.28 | n00b | how can i start a lan server on knoppix? |
| 01:17.31 | CVirus | what is the name of the iso file of the latest debian ? |
| 01:17.32 | j4cbo | directhex: or an ipod |
| 01:17.34 | directhex | 20, but with far better format support - i.e. vorbis & flac |
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| 01:17.51 | n00b | i want a win xp client to connect to it... |
| 01:17.56 | bleh_ | im missing /boot/boot.b any way to get it back? |
| 01:18.01 | j4cbo | n00b: you need samba |
| 01:18.04 | directhex | CVirus, http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/tc1/sarge-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 01:18.13 | n00b | i don't want to use that....:( |
| 01:18.18 | j4cbo | well |
| 01:18.20 | directhex | does he mean a file server? dhcp server? http server? ftp server? |
| 01:18.21 | n00b | i want it all to be linux like |
| 01:18.23 | j4cbo | that's all there is |
| 01:18.28 | j4cbo | knoppix is linux-like |
| 01:18.29 | peterS | bleh_: the unstable version of lilo doesn't need that file |
| 01:18.34 | j4cbo | argh... samba* |
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| 01:18.42 | peterS | bleh_: just comment out the line in lilo.conf that refers to it |
| 01:18.44 | Wyzard | n00b: If you're talking about Windows filesharing, that's what Samba is for |
| 01:18.46 | n00b | you mean without samba ....there is NO WAY? |
| 01:18.50 | itga | ·´Êͺ |
| 01:18.50 | j4cbo | samba is linux-like... knoppix BETTER be linux-like :) |
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| 01:19.00 | bleh_ | peterS: ok thanks |
| 01:19.04 | directhex | WHAT DOES "lan server" MEAN? |
| 01:19.10 | itga | ÁÕ¤¹ä·ÂÍÂÙèºéÒ§ÃÖ»ÅèÒ |
| 01:19.10 | directhex | urgh |
| 01:19.13 | j4cbo | directhex: i think he means smb |
| 01:19.20 | Wyzard | n00b: You can't do Windows filesharing without Samba, just like you can't browse the Web without a web browser, etc. |
| 01:19.24 | directhex | he could mean anything |
| 01:19.34 | n00b | how big is it? |
| 01:19.38 | directhex | he hasn't even hinted at what he means |
| 01:19.44 | n00b | directhex : "file sharing" |
| 01:19.52 | j4cbo | yeah, that's samba all right |
| 01:19.59 | directhex | yep, that'd be samba |
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| 01:20.03 | n00b | so...how big is it? |
| 01:20.07 | Grant_ | Guerin-Z-really UYou in? |
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| 01:20.55 | directhex | bout 5 meg, maybe? |
| 01:20.58 | Wyzard | n00b: The samba and samba-common packages total about 4MB, if that's what you mean |
| 01:21.04 | n00b | oh ok |
| 01:21.06 | Wyzard | oops, sorry, 5MB |
| 01:21.07 | Grant_ | Does anyone know where i can download a new version of debian just a small once as ill do most of my instal via internet |
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| 01:21.34 | n00b | how about then sharing a connection on my linux-server? |
| 01:21.35 | tempo | under seriers of 850 to about 1240 i have a file called exe. is that virus wanna be? |
| 01:21.37 | j4cbo | Grant_: you want the netinst iso |
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| 01:21.47 | Wyzard | Grant_: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ -- get the 50MB businesscard image |
| 01:21.49 | green-ears | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.01 | j4cbo | n00b: sharing a connection from what? |
| 01:22.20 | Grant_ | Wyzard or green-ears is there a sarge one? |
| 01:22.22 | n00b | like sharing a dsl connection that is on the linux server for the clients |
| 01:22.33 | n00b | dsl connection to the internet |
| 01:22.36 | j4cbo | so you have two ethernet cards in the linux box? |
| 01:22.41 | Wyzard | n00b: For Internet connection sharing you'll want to install a firewall package such as Shorewall or FireHOL, and probably a DHCP server |
| 01:22.54 | n00b | why a dhcp? |
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| 01:23.00 | green-ears | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.07 | n00b | no one's gonna connect to me! |
| 01:23.07 | j4cbo | do you like setting ip addresses by hand? |
| 01:23.25 | Grant_ | green-ears is it more of a stable test? |
| 01:23.33 | Wyzard | Grant_: There's no official installer for sarge yet, but Debian-Installer (the link I sent you) is the one that's being developed for sarge's release... it's beta, but works just fine in my experience |
| 01:23.39 | opp | whats advanced PM of hard disk? |
| 01:23.46 | Wyzard | opp: power management maybe? |
| 01:23.52 | Grant_ | I just did a upgrade from woody to sarge and my server karked it.. |
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| 01:24.00 | Wyzard | opp: spin-down when the disk isn't in use, etc. |
| 01:24.02 | j4cbo | like... spinning it down automatically and stuff like that |
| 01:24.19 | j4cbo | very important for laptops... battery life and all |
| 01:24.22 | Wyzard | Grant_: "karked" ? |
| 01:24.28 | green-ears | Grant_: yes it very stable, will be some problems some where but not many |
| 01:24.32 | opp | Wyzard, j4cbo, should it be enabled or disabled? |
| 01:24.40 | j4cbo | what kind of system? |
| 01:24.41 | Grant_ | green-ears or Wyzard Yeah myserver karked, do you know if business card or netinstall has PPPOE + PPPOECONF???? |
| 01:24.59 | j4cbo | opp: desktop, laptop, server? |
| 01:25.06 | Wyzard | Grant_: I've never heard the word "karked" before... and no, I don't for sure, but probably |
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| 01:25.33 | Grant_ | lol Wyzard you dont know for sure "Great" is there some way i can find out what packages is on it? This is kind of a desperate situation lol |
| 01:25.35 | opp | j4cbo>, desktop |
| 01:25.37 | n00b | why would "i" need a dhcp server for sharing a connection? |
| 01:25.41 | j4cbo | probably yeah |
| 01:25.46 | Grant_ | The work karked means fucked pretty much :) |
| 01:25.46 | j4cbo | n00b: internal ip addresses |
| 01:25.54 | j4cbo | how else are you going to assign them? |
| 01:26.06 | directhex | because everybody anting to partake of the shared connection needs an internal ip address. and either they type it by hand, or get supplied it by a dhcp server |
| 01:26.06 | Wyzard | Grant_: Download it and boot it and see whether it offers PPP as an option... if it doesn't, then download the 110MB one and try that |
| 01:26.08 | n00b | oh yeah...right....heh |
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| 01:26.27 | n00b | you mean their ips for the internet connection right? |
| 01:26.29 | Grant_ | Wyzard karked is probably aussie slang ;) I'll juyst download the 110mb one save me time lol |
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| 01:26.50 | j4cbo | i don't see why people use a dedicated box as a router... why not just get a cheap linksys/netgear nat box? |
| 01:27.02 | j4cbo | they're like $30 if you get the non-802.11 kind |
| 01:27.12 | Wyzard | Grant_: afaik, the only difference between the 110MB one and the 50MB one is that the latter doesn't have the base-system debs on it, so you have to download those at install time |
| 01:27.20 | holycow | well for one it's good practice to make your own |
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| 01:27.28 | n00b | j4cbo : what if i get an ip block,will i still need the dhcp server? |
| 01:27.29 | holycow | 2 its far more powerfull |
| 01:27.31 | Infohawk | Anyone know what package alsa-ctl is part of? |
| 01:27.42 | Grant_ | Wyzard yeah but if mine doesnt have PPPOE / PPPOCONF then im farked and cant install lol |
| 01:27.44 | holycow | 3 it's just no fun runnin linksys ;) |
| 01:27.47 | j4cbo | holycow: if you need that power... |
| 01:27.49 | Wyzard | Grant_: If the 110MB image supports PPP (which I'd be highly surprised if it didn't, since the older installer does) then the 50MB one almost certainly does too. I say I'm not sure because I haven't done it myself. |
| 01:27.50 | directhex | unless you're a small company, you will have one global ip address. if more than one computer wants to get online, then they need to be assigned internal (i.e. not viewable by the outside world) ip addresses, which the router then maps & handles transparently |
| 01:27.58 | directhex | alsa-base i think Infohawk |
| 01:28.14 | n00b | j4cbo : if i get an ip block from my ISP,will i still need the dhcp server? |
| 01:28.16 | Grant_ | Wyzard but i need pppoeconf, i dont wanna fark around with the pppoe settings for an hour lol |
| 01:28.21 | Infohawk | directhex, oh yeah, there's no dash in there. Thanks. |
| 01:28.23 | locsmif | j4cbo, because I think iptables is better than most nat box firewalls, besides, they choke on azureus |
| 01:28.27 | LSorensen | Wyzard: the woody installer support dialup ppp, no pppoe |
| 01:28.36 | Wyzard | LSorensen: ah, sorry |
| 01:28.40 | LSorensen | Wyzard: and no isdn ppp |
| 01:28.50 | j4cbo | n00b: no, but you don't really need to get a whole block unless you're running a bunch of servers |
| 01:28.56 | green-ears | j4cbo: have you got a link to cheap linksys/netgear nat box? if possible |
| 01:29.00 | IceDC571 | can anyone help me start x?? http://www.sexycatsinhats.com/XFree86.0.log theres the log |
| 01:29.09 | directhex | blocks are tasty. i like having my own reverse dns |
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| 01:29.16 | Karsh | hi people |
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| 01:29.25 | LSorensen | Grant_: any of the 100+ MB netinstall images ought to have PPPoE. There is an unofficial installer called Debian From Scratch which I am sure has pppoe support |
| 01:29.28 | n00b | j4cbo : i want to start a DNS,Webserver,smtp server and probably an ircd on it...the linux server that is! |
| 01:29.35 | n00b | DNS server* |
| 01:29.44 | Wyzard | n00b: You don't need an IP block for that |
| 01:29.48 | Karsh | how can i kill two idle users i have in my box? |
| 01:29.49 | LSorensen | Grant_: generally you need about 3 settings for pppoe (username, password and possibly provider name) |
| 01:29.50 | n00b | i |
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| 01:29.58 | n00b | 'm gonna share the connection 2 |
| 01:30.03 | directhex | IceDC571, upload your xf86config-4 too |
| 01:30.05 | LSorensen | Karsh: kill works. slay is more fun |
| 01:30.08 | Justin | IceDC571: did you bother to read the log yourself? |
| 01:30.13 | LSorensen | n00b: you can share it too with NAT |
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| 01:30.16 | IceDC571 | yes i read it myself |
| 01:30.18 | j4cbo | green-ears: i use a netgear mr814v2 (get the v2 version, the old one sucks)... about $50 after rebate, plus 802.11 |
| 01:30.28 | MrKeuner | hi, which application should be used to report spam messages that spamassassin fails to identify? |
| 01:30.32 | Justin | IceDC571: oh, so you bothered to read the part after "(II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets:" |
| 01:30.36 | Karsh | LSorensen how do i see user's PID ? |
| 01:30.40 | Grant_ | Wyzard im just going to donwload the 100mb version to play it safe, do you know what kernel these are running? |
| 01:30.46 | LSorensen | Karsh: ps auxww|grep username (one method) |
| 01:30.47 | Wyzard | n00b: You don't need an IP block to let other computers get online. You only need an IP block if you want to run the same services on several computers (multiple webservers, for example) since port forwarding won't work in that case. |
| 01:30.58 | green-ears | j4cbo: thanks i google it |
| 01:31.03 | Wyzard | Grant_: 2.4.something by default, 2.6.something available as a boot option |
| 01:31.05 | j4cbo | n00b: why not just use dyndns? |
| 01:31.07 | LSorensen | Grant_: the sarge installer I believe is 2.4.26 |
| 01:31.21 | LSorensen | Grant_: if it offers 2.6 it should be 2.6.3 or higher |
| 01:31.21 | Karsh | LSorensen thanks |
| 01:31.25 | directhex | IceDC571, also, what's the gfx card? |
| 01:31.26 | LSorensen | dfs? |
| 01:31.29 | n00b | Wyzard : so um...each computer that uses that shared connection should have a diff. ip right? |
| 01:31.30 | Grant_ | LSorensen Wyzard cool.... |
| 01:31.33 | LSorensen | !dfs |
| 01:31.33 | dpkg | dfs is probably Debian From Scratch, is a new unofficial installer for Debian with software raid support and other goodies. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg01431.html for details. |
| 01:31.42 | IceDC571 | directhex, ATI Radeon 9800 XT |
| 01:31.42 | LSorensen | Grant_: that's another potential installer to use. |
| 01:31.43 | Grant_ | LSorensen so select the 2.6.3 version?? or nah? |
| 01:31.46 | n00b | Wyzard : and what if i want all of them to be static? |
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| 01:32.02 | j4cbo | n00b: remember the difference between a public and private ip |
| 01:32.08 | directhex | IceDC571, and the xf86config-4 file? what driver are you trying to assign to the card? |
| 01:32.09 | LSorensen | Grant_: up to you. it will ask during install which kernel you actually want to put on the system, which doesn't have to be the same as the installer runs |
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| 01:32.33 | LSorensen | n00b: a good question is: why would you want everyone to have their own ip? |
| 01:32.37 | Justin | !lart directhex |
| 01:32.51 | n00b | LSorensen : trying out... |
| 01:32.53 | Justin | directhex: someone who didn't bother to read the log either, shouldn't be making random suggestions |
| 01:33.02 | Grant_ | LSorensen well what's better? the 2.4.26 or the 2.6? |
| 01:33.04 | deejoe_ | in which package can I find "dig"? |
| 01:33.18 | IceDC571 | brb i'll try something else |
| 01:33.23 | LSorensen | Grant_: I run 2.6, which I find more responsive, and some of the drivers are better (although some things are better in 2.4 still) |
| 01:33.27 | j4cbo | n00b: why spend the extra $50 / month for a bunch of static ips? |
| 01:33.38 | Wyzard | Grant_: 2.4.26 is fine if it supports enough of your hardware to install successfully... you can build a custom kernel later, or install a pre-built 2.6 package |
| 01:33.39 | LSorensen | j4cbo: I only spent $50 once for 1 static ip |
| 01:33.50 | Eno_ | deejoe_: use apt-file or packages.debian.org to find out (dnsutils) |
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| 01:34.04 | Grant_ | LSorensen well i dont run much on my linux box except 2 network cards, bind, apache, postfix, pppoe, cucipop n thats pretty much it |
| 01:34.06 | directhex | pardon me for my random suggestions, Justin. i hereby render this 9800xt on the floor "non-existant" for your pleasure |
| 01:34.06 | LSorensen | Grant_: if you use serial ata, 2.6 has some majorly improved drivers over 2.4, but for most other things either is fine |
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| 01:34.13 | n00b | j4cbo : so you say...i get 1 only for the server...and randomize for the clients? |
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| 01:34.17 | LSorensen | Grant_: sounds reasonable |
| 01:34.31 | Justin | directhex: the fact that you have said card, doesn't make you any less clueless |
| 01:34.32 | deejoe_ | Eno_: thanks |
| 01:34.35 | zezom | how do I get the return code of an app that finishes executing? |
| 01:34.38 | j4cbo | n00b: no you don't randomize them, you use masquerading |
| 01:34.42 | LSorensen | Grant_: I personaly prefer courier for pop/imap (and prefer imap over pop) and run exim with Maildir |
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| 01:34.49 | LSorensen | zezom: $? I think |
| 01:34.53 | Grant_ | LSorensen my server is only AMD 1200 ;) no need for crazy pentium power |
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| 01:35.04 | n00b | j4cbo : that's were lack of knowledge hurts....tell me more ;) |
| 01:35.06 | Wyzard | n00b: The router has the one-and-only "public" IP address. The hosts on your LAN have "private" IP addresses, and access the Internet via IP masquerading on the router. |
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| 01:35.15 | Loading | sup |
| 01:35.16 | zezom | LSorensen, I tryed that but I didn't get any thing back... is it mean to be some thing like $ls or $ ls ? |
| 01:35.17 | LSorensen | Grant_: I have a 486/66 I run those services on. Who needs 1ghz |
| 01:35.23 | Loading | im having issues:( |
| 01:35.24 | Grant_ | LSorensen it's just what im use to setting up, basic and does the job for me :) im just more worried abotu getting my server back up hence all the emails iget everyday which is my business :D |
| 01:35.25 | n00b | Wyzrd : ahhh.... |
| 01:35.33 | LSorensen | zezom: no. run command, then echo $? |
| 01:35.44 | zezom | ah right thanks |
| 01:35.46 | j4cbo | n00b: your router has a private ip adress as well as a public ip address. if your isp gives you 123.45.67.89, then the router is that... |
| 01:35.54 | j4cbo | n00b: and also 10.0.0.1 |
| 01:35.58 | Wyzard | n00b: When one of thoe hosts on your LAN makes a connection out to the Internet, the router changes it to make it look like it's coming from the router itself, since it has the only valid Internet IP |
| 01:36.04 | Loading | i cant get the debian installer cd to recongnize my apple_bootstrap partion |
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| 01:36.16 | Grant_ | LSorensen lol, i only got a half decent board / chip cause my last one was farked :) didnt cost me much, cause i get the stuff wholesale :) and it was old stock (NEW THOUGH) |
| 01:36.18 | helix | Loading: did you try #debian-boot ? |
| 01:36.20 | j4cbo | n00b: your other computers are 10.0.0.2, 10.0.0.3, 10.0.0.4... |
| 01:36.22 | directhex | my my Justin, you're right. why get basic info from people when i could see the answer as plain as day on line 321 |
| 01:36.26 | Wyzard | n00b: When response packets come back to the router, it passes them along to the appropriate host on the network |
| 01:36.37 | Loading | no i will though |
| 01:36.38 | LSorensen | Grant_: I only buy what I consider the best. I find anything less causes more frustration later. :) |
| 01:36.40 | n00b | Wyzard : Thanks... |
| 01:36.45 | n00b | j4cbo : Thanks.... |
| 01:36.56 | n00b | I get it all now |
| 01:37.00 | j4cbo | n00b: the router uses some black magic to figure out what goes where, it's built in to the kernel |
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| 01:37.19 | Grant_ | LSorensen Well it's all based on personal decision :) My box is also used for alot of emails hence my online business so i kind of need to make sure its not going to kark it. |
| 01:37.28 | LSorensen | j4cbo: black magic / connection state table, what's the difference. :) |
| 01:37.34 | n00b | Wyzard & j4cbo : man...u guys...own it....;D |
| 01:37.37 | Wyzard | n00b: The "public" IP will be assigned by your ISP, but the "private" IPs can be anything you want from several reserved ranges, such as the 10.x.x.x that j4cbo mentioned... DHCP is the easiest way to assign those addresses to the hosts on your LAN. |
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| 01:37.55 | LSorensen | Grant_: sure. I ran zmailer some years back. It claimed to be able to handle 100000 emails a day on a sparc 83mhz. |
| 01:38.07 | LSorensen | Grant_: I wouldn't worry about it on a machine like that. |
| 01:38.12 | Justin | directhex: uh right... more like "Why ask a stupid question like "what driver are you using" when the log tells you that, and what the exact problem is" |
| 01:38.13 | n00b | Wyzard : but dhcp actually creates random ones...i wanna select the private ones myself... |
| 01:38.16 | j4cbo | n00b: the "cable/dsl routers" you see in stores do just that automatically; usually using DHCP to assign something like 192.168.1.2 through 192.168.1.254 |
| 01:38.25 | Grant_ | LOL!!! @ LSorensen fuck 100,000 emails a day LOL nice |
| 01:38.26 | LSorensen | n00b: so don't use dhcp |
| 01:38.34 | j4cbo | n00b: if you want to hand-select the private ones you can do that too, just ignore the dhcp |
| 01:38.38 | Wyzard | n00b: You can configure the DHCP server to recognize clients by their MAC address and assign them specific IPs |
| 01:38.50 | j4cbo | n00b: that's what i do ^^^^^ |
| 01:38.51 | LSorensen | Grant_: of course giant attachments and such and spam filtering take more cpu than just routing mail did 10 years ago |
| 01:39.13 | j4cbo | that way i don't have to hardcode the ips in each box, but they're still always the same |
| 01:39.15 | n00b | j4cbo : yeah...like i selected mine like 222.222.222.0 |
| 01:39.16 | Wyzard | n00b: That's what I do here... so the computers in the house have unchanging IPs, but if someone else plugs in (say, friends coming over for a lanparty), they get "random" IPs without any extra configuration needed |
| 01:39.31 | LSorensen | n00b: that's a bad choice since those are NOT reserved for internal use |
| 01:39.42 | Wyzard | n00b: Don't -- 222.222.222.0 is a valid IP that may belong to an actual computer on the Internet |
| 01:39.55 | Grant_ | LSorensen Definatley, well iwas actually trying to install amavis last night with clamav hence i needed the amavis-new from the sarge packages so idecided to update all and then my server just fucked up errors coming out of its arse so just easier to do a fresh install and anywya i need to chang eto partition EXT3 instead of 2 |
| 01:40.01 | n00b | but aren't we talking priavte? |
| 01:40.04 | locsmif | justin, wouldn't lspci help IceDC571 identify his ATI chipset |
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| 01:40.17 | Wyzard | n00b: Using it on your LAN won't cause problems for the computer that actually has that IP, but it will cause problems if something on your network ever tries to talk to it or anything else on its network. |
| 01:40.24 | LSorensen | n00b: yes but private ips MUST not be valid public IPs |
| 01:40.30 | j4cbo | n00b: yes, but your router needs to be able to tell the difference between what's private and what's public |
| 01:40.38 | cafuego | Grant_: When you need to run spamassassin and/or amavis concurrently, your load will be affected. |
| 01:40.38 | n00b | LSorensen : why not? |
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| 01:40.49 | Justin | locsmif: help with what? it has already been correctly identified |
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| 01:40.52 | n00b | j4cbo : umm...ok...whatever... |
| 01:40.55 | j4cbo | n00b: the options are 192.168.x.x or 10.x.x.x ; i think there's a third one but nobody uses it |
| 01:40.57 | LSorensen | n00b: if your internal ips are 222.222.222.x and you try and connect to the real site that uses 222.222.222.x then you can't. |
| 01:40.58 | cafuego | Grant_: What box you wanna run mail on? |
| 01:41.09 | Grant_ | cafuego you dont know how much spam/viruses i get everyday :) |
| 01:41.13 | LSorensen | n00b: since your router will try and find it locally |
| 01:41.18 | Wyzard | j4cbo: 172.16.0.0/12 -- I just looked it up |
| 01:41.21 | cafuego | Grant_: Undoubtledly less then I do. |
| 01:41.30 | Grant_ | I do mass mailout to governement departments and i get fucked over by viruses big time |
| 01:41.38 | n00b | well 222.222.222.0 is kewl......since 222+222+222=666 >:) ARRRRGH |
| 01:41.42 | Grant_ | everyday |
| 01:41.52 | Grant_ | LOL |
| 01:41.56 | Grant_ | lol |
| 01:42.03 | LSorensen | n00b: yes and it's not correct for internal use. use 10.anything you want, or 192.168.x.y |
| 01:42.05 | Grant_ | thats gotta suck |
| 01:42.11 | cafuego | Believe you me, my postfix has the most fascist rules possible :-) |
| 01:42.13 | j4cbo | actually 222.222.222.x is owned by the China Telecom for the CHINANET Hebei province network |
| 01:42.19 | LSorensen | n00b: when choosing between cool and correct, a smart person goes for correct. |
| 01:42.33 | eclipsex_ | n00b u hear that no more asian porn |
| 01:42.34 | n00b | chinese are 3\/1|_....lol :D |
| 01:42.34 | directhex | Justin, considered "why read through somebody else's log in detail when you could get the direct answer to your question by... just asking"? |
| 01:42.36 | cafuego | Grant_: About 40 a day get through, in between 400 and 800 get rejected by the MTA. |
| 01:42.45 | j4cbo | heh |
| 01:42.45 | locsmif | justin : I quote from the log : (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI Technologies Inc unknown chipset (0x4e4a) rev 0, Mem @ 0xd8000000/27, 0xed000000/16, I/O @ 0x9000/8 |
| 01:42.49 | locsmif | (--) PCI: (1:0:1) ATI Technologies Inc unknown chipset (0x4e6a) rev 0, Mem @ 0xe0000000/27, 0xed010000/16 |
| 01:43.04 | LSorensen | locsmif: what version of X? |
| 01:43.18 | Grant_ | cafuego lol nice , what so you dont have any virus protection software? |
| 01:43.19 | Justin | ooh I can do that too |
| 01:43.23 | Justin | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.30 | Justin | gee, look what happens when you actually read the log |
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| 01:43.38 | Grant_ | cafuego on the server that is eg amavis |
| 01:43.44 | locsmif | Justin, not when you'e too dumb to understand |
| 01:43.47 | Justin | and like, look at that BIG LIST of ati cards that the server says it supports |
| 01:43.47 | IceDC571 | alright im uploading my XF86Config-4 right now |
| 01:43.58 | n00b | anyway....thanks for enlighting me....c'yall if i had any questions... |
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| 01:44.00 | directhex | IceDC571, it's redundant |
| 01:44.04 | directhex | you're using the ati driver |
| 01:44.06 | cafuego | 4e6a RV350 NJ [Radeon 9800 XT] (Secondary) |
| 01:44.08 | directhex | you need "radeon" |
| 01:44.13 | Justin | notice how like, the BIG LIST of ati cards, only goes up to the 9700 |
| 01:44.17 | Justin | !lart directhex |
| 01:44.20 | Justin | fucking retatd |
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| 01:44.24 | j4cbo | ouch :) |
| 01:44.36 | locsmif | LSorensen, check back the link IceDC571 posted |
| 01:44.41 | zinx | uh.. |
| 01:44.54 | LSorensen | locsmif: that's from IceDC571's log? |
| 01:44.58 | locsmif | yes |
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| 01:45.02 | LSorensen | locsmif: ahh |
| 01:45.02 | Justin | now, anyone with half a clue will know that you need to get the binary driver from ati for that |
| 01:45.04 | zinx | both the free (2d-only, mind you) drivers and fglrx support up to the 9800 XT |
| 01:45.05 | cafuego | Grant_: No, I don't need virus protection software, I run Linux on my desktop box. The server does run spamassassin though, and I've set up postfix to reject emails with certain attachment filenames (regexes) |
| 01:45.07 | LSorensen | locsmif: does it have a version in the log? |
| 01:45.09 | IceDC571 | http://www.sexycatsinhats.com/XF86Config-4.txt here it is |
| 01:45.16 | LSorensen | cafuego: clamav seems ok |
| 01:45.19 | zinx | (and possibly X800, i'm not sure..) |
| 01:45.33 | Justin | but random useless suggestions like 'you need "radeon"' are good too |
| 01:45.44 | Grant_ | cafuego i tried to do that , make the server reject certain file names, but wouldnt work for me lol :) |
| 01:45.48 | locsmif | (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI Technologies Inc unknown chipset (0x4e4a) rev 0, Mem @ 0xd8000000/27, 0xed000000/16, I/O @ 0x9000/8 |
| 01:46.00 | IceDC571 | i've used the ati and radeon drivers |
| 01:46.01 | locsmif | Free86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 20040428170728 fabbione@trider-g7.int.fabbione.net) |
| 01:46.04 | locsmif | sorry. |
| 01:46.04 | cafuego | LSorensen: yeah, I've had it here for a while via amavisd-new, but when I ran that its built-in spamassassin hooks didn't work right; nothing got marked as spam. |
| 01:46.12 | LSorensen | locsmif: hmm, so latest debian release |
| 01:46.15 | Justin | IceDC571: you haven't yet bothered to read the log. |
| 01:46.17 | IceDC571 | changed the indentifiers to 9700 and 9800 still no luck |
| 01:46.25 | cafuego | s/LSorensen/Grant_ |
| 01:46.40 | cafuego | Grant_: ... so i ended up with no viruses but about 500 spams a day. |
| 01:46.42 | IceDC571 | Justin: ive read the log several times.. what do you see thats wrong? |
| 01:46.54 | Justin | IceDC571: try looking at THE BIG LIST OF SUPPORTED CARDS |
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| 01:47.05 | LSorensen | IceDC571: looks like your card is too new for the version of X included in your debian version. |
| 01:47.08 | Grant_ | cafuego lol |
| 01:47.36 | Justin | !tell IceDC571 about ati debs |
| 01:47.37 | droopy | Ok I have purged firefox ...then deleted /etc/mozilla-firefox and /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/...then reinstalled. Old plugins are keeping moz to open...HOW |
| 01:47.38 | LSorensen | IceDC571: usually when the driver says: unknown ATI chip/card it means it doesn't ahve a clue what card it is and hence no clue how to run it |
| 01:47.56 | LSorensen | IceDC571: that means: get a newer/different driver that does know about that chip/card |
| 01:48.03 | IceDC571 | wait so maybe if i run apt-get XFree86 it might update the list of cards? |
| 01:48.16 | IceDC571 | ahh to hell with that, i should just install the newest ati drivers from here eh? |
| 01:48.38 | LSorensen | IceDC571: debian hasn't had a new X release in a while, so not likely. get the ati driver if there is a package for that, and it might work. Otherwise, probably nothing you can do. :) |
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| 01:50.05 | locsmif | IceDC571, try kanotix, hehe |
| 01:50.30 | cafuego | kernel: BUG: dst underflow 0: c029d209 |
| 01:50.38 | cafuego | uhhhh |
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| 01:52.04 | directhex | if i weren't such a "fucking retatd", i might comment on the x release in sid happily supporting a 9800xt via the radeon driver. |
| 01:52.28 | zinx | (or the fglrx supporting it as well :/ ) |
| 01:52.33 | directhex | barely |
| 01:52.44 | zinx | uh |
| 01:52.49 | zinx | no, it supports it fine |
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| 01:53.11 | Justin | directhex: are you going to support him when sid breaks? |
| 01:53.13 | cafuego | hahaha, k3b is funny. "Starting dao writing at 374x speed..." "Medium or burner do not support writing at 374x speed" |
| 01:53.31 | Wyzard | Too bad it doesn't... |
| 01:53.35 | Wyzard | that'd be nice |
| 01:53.38 | Guerin | cafuego: heh, mine defaults to 0x, despite me telling it otherwise |
| 01:53.40 | directhex | Justin, are you going to support him under any conditions whatsoever? |
| 01:53.47 | LSorensen | Wyzard: sure if you want flying plastic bits everywhere |
| 01:53.55 | cafuego | Guerin: Yeah, normally it says 0x here as well. |
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| 01:54.03 | Grant_ | Guerin HELLO :P |
| 01:54.04 | Grant_ | lol |
| 01:54.13 | LSorensen | cafuego: it always tells me the right speed. odd. |
| 01:54.16 | Wyzard | LSorensen: It's only when they ignite from atmospheric friction that you get the *true* experience of "CD burning" :-) |
| 01:54.33 | Guerin | Grant_: gah, what is it now? |
| 01:54.39 | cafuego | LSorensen: After it says 0x or 374x here it switches to 48x. |
| 01:54.45 | LSorensen | cafuego: ok that's ok then |
| 01:54.48 | Grant_ | Guerin LOL my server karked it after i rebooted lol |
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| 01:54.59 | Justin | cafuego: what did the figure out the maximum speed of a cdrom drive was before it breaks? |
| 01:55.02 | Grant_ | lol |
| 01:55.11 | Guerin | Grant_: JFC, what DID you do to it? |
| 01:55.13 | cafuego | Justin: Mach 2.4 |
| 01:55.28 | Grant_ | Guerin nothing, like isaid i only did an upgrade to sarge and it fucked up man |
| 01:55.45 | cafuego | Justin: If you go over that, they generally melt. |
| 01:55.48 | Grant_ | Guerin so im just doing a fresh install ;) |
| 01:55.49 | Grant_ | lol |
| 01:55.56 | Justin | cafuego: no.. they fly apart... |
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| 01:56.19 | cafuego | What, you telling me you tried it too? |
| 01:56.40 | Guerin | Grant_: install sarge directly if you want to run sarge |
| 01:56.42 | Justin | cafuego: no, but I saw it on tv, which is close enough |
| 01:56.51 | Guerin | Grant_: upgrading is obviously too complicated for you |
| 01:57.21 | Grant_ | Guerin i am LOL it isnt complicated im downloading the sarge netinst ;) |
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| 01:57.29 | IceDC571 | how do you download packages with apt without installing it? |
| 01:57.31 | cafuego | Justin: You can throw 'em out of a blackfird or fighter jet, but they'll only break then when they actually decelerate at over 100G when the hit the ground. |
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| 01:57.40 | cafuego | IceDC571: apt-get -d install <foo> |
| 01:57.47 | IceDC571 | thanks |
| 01:57.56 | lab | Is Sarge frozen yet? |
| 01:58.02 | Guerin | lab: no |
| 01:58.08 | cafuego | LSorensen: Maybe in 2005 |
| 01:58.12 | zezom | is there a way to swap the stdout and the return code with bash? |
| 01:58.16 | Guerin | lab: honestly, have you checked anywhere else before asking here? |
| 01:58.16 | lab | Why so long? |
| 01:58.27 | Wyzard | I hope they don't actually hold sarge back for that stupid documentation issue |
| 01:58.28 | LSorensen | lab: it has to be done first. |
| 01:58.31 | Grant_ | lol |
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| 01:58.34 | Guerin | lab: it's not ready yet |
| 01:58.42 | n00b | hi guys....again :) |
| 01:58.43 | LSorensen | lab: Debian releases when it |
| 01:58.49 | n00b | i had a question.... |
| 01:58.54 | LSorensen | is ready, not when some marketing department schedules it |
| 01:58.57 | directhex | it'll be released the same day as duke nukem forever |
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| 01:58.57 | Guerin | n00b: what happened to it? |
| 01:59.07 | Grant_ | lollollol |
| 01:59.18 | Guerin | !lol |
| 01:59.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lol is Laugh{s,ing} Out Loud. A laugh sound is not spelled "lol" nor is "lol" punctuation. If you want to quickly indicate that you're laughing, use "heh" or "haha" in the first person and "lol" or "is lol" in the third person ("/me"). See also: ne1, u, ur. |
| 01:59.22 | n00b | if i want to create a direct connection between the linux and windows box...what should i do now? |
| 01:59.22 | Grant_ | good one directhex |
| 01:59.23 | lab | INcreasing Debian user base demands faster releases |
| 01:59.42 | n00b | like um....for playing half-life...for example ;) |
| 01:59.46 | Guerin | lab: SIYH |
| 02:00.00 | Wyzard | n00b: Just run the game... you don't have to configure the OS for that |
| 02:00.10 | lab | Why cant they just release a new one each year? |
| 02:00.17 | n00b | will it work fine...i mean they will detect everything? |
| 02:00.19 | LSorensen | lab: well actually the majority of debian users demand stable systems, especially for servers and releases that don't require major upgrades very often, so overall it is doing the right thing. Those that want newer stuff run testing or unstable which is more stable than most other linux distribution's stable releases |
| 02:00.30 | Guerin | lab: because we like stable releases to actually be stable |
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| 02:00.40 | lab | Gnome isnt stable on Woody |
| 02:00.48 | LSorensen | lab: how do you make all the bugs disappear once per year? If you can solve that for Debian, they would release more often. Feel free to help. |
| 02:00.48 | Grant_ | hhaah |
| 02:00.53 | Wyzard | n00b: There's nothing to "detect"... network games use broadcast UDP packets, so as long as you have networking set up and working, the game will work |
| 02:00.53 | Guerin | lab: which version of gnome? |
| 02:00.55 | cafuego | LSorensen: yes, it is. |
| 02:00.57 | cafuego | grr |
| 02:01.02 | LSorensen | lab: Sure, at the time woody was released that was as good as gnome got. |
| 02:01.02 | cafuego | lab: yes, it is. |
| 02:01.08 | cafuego | !info gnome woody |
| 02:01.09 | lab | Right now Woody Gnome is not stable and noone is working on it. |
| 02:01.10 | Grant_ | bbs |
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| 02:01.20 | lab | That makes like no sense |
| 02:01.22 | n00b | Wyzard : all needed is the lan cards connected? |
| 02:01.30 | n00b | like with the wires? |
| 02:01.38 | Guerin | lab: what version of gnome? The stock version in woody? |
| 02:01.45 | cafuego | lab: Nobody is forcing you to sue woody (or debian) |
| 02:01.50 | Wyzard | n00b: No, you need IP addresses and such, but it's the same things you need for any other network usage, like Web browsing |
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| 02:02.03 | lab | the apt-get dist-upgrade version |
| 02:02.12 | cafuego | lab: Gnome 2.4 and 2.6 don't work particularly well either, so just save yourself the trouble. |
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| 02:02.26 | lab | But isnt one idea increasing the user base? |
| 02:02.28 | Wyzard | Gnome 2.6 works fine... |
| 02:02.29 | Guerin | lab: if you used apt-get dist-upgrade, you're not using woody |
| 02:02.32 | n00b | Wyzard : so each machine must have an ip address of it's own...how can i set that? |
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| 02:02.37 | LSorensen | lab: if you are desperate and don't want to run testing or unstable, there are always backports of things (www.backports.org) |
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| 02:02.50 | lab | I am not at all desperate |
| 02:02.56 | cafuego | lab: Sure, but not by having "i have to hve this beta version and that alpha version yesterday" type users. |
| 02:03.01 | lab | I just think they are too slow at releasing |
| 02:03.03 | Wyzard | n00b: Using ifconfig or DHCP |
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| 02:03.24 | LSorensen | lab: they would love to release faster, but volunteers are hard to get to fix bugs in a hurry :) |
| 02:03.25 | n00b | how is done using ifconfig? |
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| 02:03.32 | Wyzard | n00b: Read the manpage for ifconfig |
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| 02:03.36 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: 255^4 minutes, eh? - we can ignore the private subnets. |
| 02:03.38 | n00b | where? |
| 02:03.41 | cafuego | dpkg, 255**4 |
| 02:03.41 | dpkg | 4228250625 |
| 02:03.45 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah... lookes like 8 centuries... |
| 02:03.49 | Wyzard | n00b: man ifconfig |
| 02:03.51 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: rrr.. 8 milenia. |
| 02:03.57 | n00b | oh ok thanks... |
| 02:04.00 | lab | What is Woody version of Gnome? |
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| 02:04.06 | dondelelcaro | !255**4/60/24/365.25 |
| 02:04.06 | dpkg | 8039.110626283367 |
| 02:04.08 | cafuego | dpkg, (255**4)/(3600*24*365) |
| 02:04.08 | dpkg | 134.076947773973 |
| 02:04.12 | n00b | Thanks again...man this place is kewl... |
| 02:04.24 | Guerin | !tell lab about search |
| 02:04.25 | Wyzard | n00b: If you don't know how to read a manual page, I think you have some basics to learn before you try setting up a complex network |
| 02:04.27 | cafuego | whoops |
| 02:04.28 | Guerin | !tell lab about pdo |
| 02:04.29 | cafuego | dpkg, (255**4)/(60*24*365) |
| 02:04.31 | dpkg | 8044.616866438356 |
| 02:04.50 | n00b | Wyzard : um ...i think i had forgetten the --help or man thing...heh |
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| 02:05.00 | LSorensen | cafuego: could you do your calculations in /msg ? |
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| 02:05.01 | cafuego | yeah, about 8000 years... |
| 02:05.06 | Wyzard | n00b: You also don't seem to know much about TCP/IP networking |
| 02:05.11 | n00b | nah... |
| 02:05.11 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: if we start with 1.x... |
| 02:05.13 | cafuego | LSorensen: No. |
| 02:05.14 | Guerin | lab: the version of gnome in woody is OLD. 1.something |
| 02:05.21 | LSorensen | !smite cafuego |
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| 02:05.25 | n00b | that's why i'm a "n00b" :D |
| 02:05.33 | Guerin | lab: if you want to run a desktop system, woody is not necessarily the best option |
| 02:05.36 | Guerin | 1noob |
| 02:05.39 | Guerin | !noob |
| 02:05.39 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 02:05.42 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: yeah, probably 254^4 is more reasonable, but it's still a long time... wonder how many hosts those onjoin spammers have... |
| 02:05.43 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Then my 210.x will be safe for quite a while yet. |
| 02:05.54 | lab | Which app gives the version number? |
| 02:06.00 | n00b | dpkg : i was talking to wyzard i guess... |
| 02:06.00 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, n00b |
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| 02:06.10 | LSorensen | lab: dpkg -l gnome\* might |
| 02:06.12 | Guerin | lab: version number of what? |
| 02:06.17 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: 252^4 actually, we can pretty much drop off 0.x, 10.x and 192.x |
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| 02:06.26 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: good call. |
| 02:06.32 | Wyzard | n00b: That's fine, and you'll learn a bit (by necessity) setting up your home network... but don't expect the people in #debian to explain networking to you from square one. Get a book for the basics at least. |
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| 02:06.37 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: and 255.x as well. |
| 02:06.38 | Wyzard | n00b: dpkg is a bot -- no point talking to it |
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| 02:06.55 | LSorensen | cafuego: and 1. and 2. and 127. and many other RESERVED blocks |
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| 02:07.01 | lab | well dpkg -l brings up like 20 entrys |
| 02:07.06 | lab | I think it is 1.4 |
| 02:07.09 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: 1 isn't reserved, iirc. |
| 02:07.27 | dondelelcaro | nevermind... |
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| 02:08.20 | Justin | 149.142.247.0149.142.247.2552465263UCLA Campus Network Services (NET-UCLANET2)USnoc@NOC.UCLA.EDU |
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| 02:09.38 | LSorensen | dondelelcaro: it's strange to see that there are places with class As to themselves, like GE, IBM, and such |
| 02:09.48 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: yeah, but those are originals... |
| 02:09.53 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: like XPARC |
| 02:09.55 | Justin | LSorensen: supposedly mit has more IP's than china |
| 02:09.59 | LSorensen | dondelelcaro: yep. |
| 02:10.03 | LSorensen | Justin: I can believe that |
| 02:10.16 | hippie | I've been called "classless" before, but I don't think it was related to IP addressing. |
| 02:10.19 | LSorensen | Justin: and with ipV6 every person gets more IPs than the internet has with ipv4 |
| 02:10.20 | Justin | I guess back then people really liked nice even subnets :-) |
| 02:10.32 | dondelelcaro | Justin: MIT is 18/6... |
| 02:10.42 | LSorensen | Justin: they probably figured they would never have more than 250 organizations on the internet |
| 02:11.25 | hippie | LSorensen: imagine the IPv6 address-shortage panic when ALL the nanomachines in your liver can't have their own addresses. |
| 02:11.27 | LSorensen | Justin: and if they did they could just change the protocol of course. They had already done it a few times |
| 02:11.35 | dondelelcaro | s/6/8/ |
| 02:11.46 | LSorensen | hippie: how many atoms on earth I wonder |
| 02:11.59 | dondelelcaro | and halliburton is 34/8 of all things. |
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| 02:12.28 | chitiri | Justin: ucla stands for ?? |
| 02:12.38 | Wyzard | University of California, Los Angeles |
| 02:12.48 | Justin | chitiri: www.google.com/search?q=UCLA |
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| 02:16.48 | LSorensen | Wyzard: libpaperg? paperconf |
| 02:16.59 | terr | can anyone here help me with some bios settings? |
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| 02:17.19 | LSorensen | Wyzard: paperconfig -p letter (then paperconf returns letter) |
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| 02:18.19 | Wyzard | LSorensen: My paperconf is already set to letter, but texttops is behaving oddly... it sets the BoundingBox to the size of a letter page, but positions the text so that it would be centered properly on an A4 page (which means it's vertically too high on a letter page) |
| 02:18.38 | thu2 | could anyone recommend to me a god mpg player that's a debian package? |
| 02:18.55 | LSorensen | Wyzard: well, it may be using something else |
| 02:19.12 | Grant_ | OK people, i have 512mb ram how much swap space should i provide? |
| 02:19.27 | Wyzard | LSorensen: The main difficulty is that it's barely documented, since it's meant to be called by CUPS as a filter, not directly by a user |
| 02:19.38 | LSorensen | Wyzard: dpkg-reconfigure libpaper1 |
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| 02:20.04 | LSorensen | thu2: mplayer is nice (marilatt archive has deb packages for that). vlc and xine are nice too. |
| 02:20.16 | LSorensen | Grant_: I would do about 512M swap too. |
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| 02:20.24 | Grant_ | LSorensen ok cool :) |
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| 02:20.39 | holycow | i love totem |
| 02:20.53 | Wyzard | LSorensen: already set to letter |
| 02:20.54 | holycow | that didn't come out quite right |
| 02:21.03 | holycow | i mean, totems purdy cool |
| 02:21.06 | LSorensen | Wyzard: ofcourse lpoptions -o papersize=letter might help |
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| 02:21.19 | LSorensen | Wyzard: lpoptions -l shows current settings |
| 02:21.41 | Wyzard | LSorensen: Also set to letter :-) |
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| 02:22.01 | LSorensen | Wyzard: well then unless you are using the wrong ppd for the printer, or have a crappy printer, the margins should be right |
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| 02:22.31 | LSorensen | Wyzard: my personaly experience is that a brother hl10v for example doesn't have the right margins and always cuts the edge. |
| 02:22.33 | Grant_ | ok guys any one have a single page debian install tutorial just incase i fuck up n get stuck lol |
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| 02:22.43 | thu2 | LSorensen:thanks |
| 02:22.44 | LSorensen | Grant_: www.debian.org has several |
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| 02:23.10 | LSorensen | !tell thu2 about mplayer |
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| 02:23.49 | n00b | hi again....:D |
| 02:23.57 | Wyzard | LSorensen: I'm using the PPD that came with the printer's Windows driver, with the "cupsFilter" option added... I did this because the printer isn't in the foomatic database |
| 02:24.23 | n00b | Wyzard : how do i change my ip in windows...like the localhost |
| 02:24.25 | LSorensen | Wyzard: do NOT use non cups ppds. As far as I know it doesn't work. I could be wrong though since I think they might be trying to make that work |
| 02:24.34 | lagCisco | anyone think it would be stupid to use cvs to manage your home directory? mine is particulary huge.. like 30 gigs.. has all kinds of files from sources to mp3s to isos etc.. |
| 02:24.38 | Grant_ | ok guys im off to instal debian sarge, hopefully with no fuck ups |
| 02:24.40 | Grant_ | n girls |
| 02:24.42 | Grant_ | :) |
| 02:24.54 | LSorensen | lagCisco: cvs sucks at binary so no. at least use subversion if you want to do something silly like that |
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| 02:25.17 | Wyzard | LSorensen: It works, though I had to add a Resolution option to the PPD to stop it from printing at 100dpi... it prints just fine, except that the image is positioned poorly on the page |
| 02:25.23 | lagCisco | LSorensen what about rsync? |
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| 02:25.35 | LSorensen | Wyzard: check www.linuxprinting.org for better ppd files |
| 02:25.35 | lagCisco | thing is i need a windows client too |
| 02:25.44 | LSorensen | lagCisco: rsync to where? |
| 02:26.02 | LSorensen | lagCisco: rsync (and unison) both exist for windows as far as I know (if nothing else as part of cygwin) |
| 02:26.02 | lagCisco | LSorensen i just want to have backups of all my important files |
| 02:26.13 | LSorensen | lagCisco: well rsync and unison are good at that. |
| 02:26.16 | Wyzard | LSorensen: I've been there already -- this printer (a Konica KL-3015 color laser) is completely unknown to both linuxprinting.org and ESP Print Pro |
| 02:26.43 | LSorensen | Wyzard: but it's a postscript printer? |
| 02:26.47 | n00b | Wyzard : you said that i need to change the ip of the linux box for the half-life game with ifconfig....now how do i do that for windows?....is that also needed when i'm starting my filesharing with the windows box? |
| 02:27.02 | jms | I somehow messed up my cdburner. cdrecord ends with "cdrecord: No space left on device. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl" How can I fix that? |
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| 02:27.09 | LSorensen | Wyzard: actually the postscript printer at work also does a lousy job on texttops, so I always print text files using a2ps textfile |
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| 02:27.19 | Wyzard | LSorensen: No, PCL... PostScript is available, but I don't have it. The CUPS pstoraster -> rastertohp works fine though |
| 02:28.01 | LSorensen | Wyzard: well the simple solution is to use something like a2ps when printing text files. gives better control. I am not sure how to fix the margins on plain text output |
| 02:28.08 | Wyzard | LSorensen: I know the problem is in texttops because I've run my textfile through it manually and viewed it in GhostScript... it's wrong there just like it's wrong on the page |
| 02:28.21 | LSorensen | Wyzard: I can believe that. |
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| 02:29.07 | Wyzard | LSorensen: Well, I can just add another cupsFilter line to indicate that the printer can print text/plain without any filtering at all... but I'd like to figure this out first, as part of getting the printer working cleanly so I can perhaps eventually add it to linuxprinting.org |
| 02:29.48 | LSorensen | Wyzard: yeah not sure. I just haven't spent any time figuring it out myself |
| 02:30.01 | LSorensen | Wyzard: I rather prefer the look of a2ps output anyhow, so... |
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| 02:31.27 | xxx | Is Mozzilla good to use? |
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| 02:31.48 | directhex | as what? |
| 02:31.56 | directhex | and as opposed to what? |
| 02:32.18 | xxx | It is the web browser I am using. |
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| 02:32.21 | element | i would use Firefox. |
| 02:32.43 | directhex | elinks |
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| 02:32.52 | marp | can anyone help me set up drivers for my raedon 9700? I can't get X working... |
| 02:32.59 | element | ever heard of google directhex? |
| 02:33.03 | xxx | IS that built from Mozzilla? |
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| 02:33.56 | xxx | what does startx bring? |
| 02:34.15 | directhex | xxx, mozilla firefox is a stripped down browser based on mozilla. |
| 02:34.16 | SharkY | Hellllpppp!!!, When i try to install anything using apt-get install, i recive this error: E: The package frozen-bubble-data needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 02:34.18 | Wyzard | xxx: That question doesn't make sense... what do you mean by "bring" ? |
| 02:34.21 | directhex | it's what i use |
| 02:34.40 | xxx | print bring |
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| 02:35.33 | SharkY | please, helllppp |
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| 02:36.07 | Wyzard | SharkY: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=frozen-bubble-data&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 02:36.09 | Wyzard | SharkY: download it |
| 02:36.16 | swonsay | !moron swonsay |
| 02:36.17 | dpkg | swonsay: You are moron #58 |
| 02:36.22 | swonsay | :) |
| 02:36.23 | z36ra | how do you get alsa to start automatically? |
| 02:36.25 | jms | what is /dev/pg0? |
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| 02:36.44 | Wyzard | z36ra: The alsa-base package includes an initscript... it doesn't load the modules for you though |
| 02:36.53 | Wyzard | z36ra: (It used to, but they removed that for some reason) |
| 02:37.13 | z36ra | yeah, I installed from the source package |
| 02:37.23 | Wyzard | z36ra: The initscript just saves and loads the mixer settings, which is about all that needs to be done in terms of "starting" alsa. |
| 02:37.46 | z36ra | yeah but when i reboot I have to start it manually |
| 02:37.53 | swonsay | what is the diffrence between "/" and "/var |
| 02:37.55 | swonsay | " |
| 02:38.00 | Wyzard | What do you mean by "start it" ? What exactly do you have to do? |
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| 02:38.17 | Wyzard | swonsay: Umm... they're two different directories |
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| 02:38.24 | z36ra | su root; /etc/init.d/alsa start |
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| 02:38.59 | marp | I'm trying to install drivers for my raedon 9700, but when I run the included make.sh, I get the error "Link /lib/modules/2.4.26-1-386/build does not exist (or is not a link)". Does anyone know how I get it to exist? |
| 02:39.01 | swonsay | Wyzard, whats the best way to partition a HD, or where to read about the best way to partition it, not HOW to persay, but WHAT to partition it to rather... |
| 02:39.10 | Wyzard | z36ra: You should have a symlink /etc/rc2.d/S20alsa which runs that for you at boot time... if that's missing, you've done something strange |
| 02:39.30 | z36ra | sysv has it on the current runlevel |
| 02:39.44 | z36ra | it's kinda wierd huh |
| 02:39.55 | xxx | I think the redeon 9700 needs kernel support |
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| 02:40.04 | Wyzard | Reboot and look at the messages written on the console when the initscript runs |
| 02:40.15 | xxx | Is that guy with the radeon problem still here? |
| 02:40.23 | marp | xxx: yeah |
| 02:40.23 | z36ra | it's too dam fast... lemme check dmsg |
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| 02:40.32 | xxx | You get no screens found? |
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| 02:40.58 | marp | yeah, exactly |
| 02:41.04 | Wyzard | swonsay: depends on your needs... I have a separate /boot partition which I keep mounted read-only, and /home is on a different device than the rest of the system |
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| 02:41.38 | dee | any of you guys ever install a webcam in Sid? |
| 02:41.43 | xxx | You get ATI: PCI/AGP Mach64 in slot not detected? |
| 02:41.49 | Justin | !tell dee about polls |
| 02:41.49 | swonsay | well i was reading somewhere where you can have packages on /var i guess, i dont know where i read it and havnt been able to find it again |
| 02:41.55 | Grant_ | ok im gone ready for instal now |
| 02:41.58 | Grant_ | slater guys n girls |
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| 02:42.00 | swonsay | but i got the impression that root was for the base system and var was for packages |
| 02:42.07 | Wyzard | dee: I set one up last year, but I haven't used it since, and it's currently on loan to my brother |
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| 02:42.19 | Wyzard | swonsay: Google for "filesystem hierarchy standard" |
| 02:42.28 | swonsay | ok thanks |
| 02:42.31 | marp | xxx: ...no... |
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| 02:42.48 | swonsay | now good with linux search words yet:( |
| 02:42.50 | marp | xxx: hold on |
| 02:42.50 | swonsay | er not |
| 02:42.54 | dee | hrm. i am having heck of a time getting it to work..it appears that i need some kind of setting in /etc/modules.conf for it. |
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| 02:43.22 | dee | i have no video settings in /etc/modules.conf whatsoever. |
| 02:43.37 | Justin | dee: you don't |
| 02:43.46 | marp | xxx: I get a no devices found error |
| 02:43.50 | xxx | I think you need to compile agp support into the kernel |
| 02:43.51 | Wyzard | swonsay: The FHS is a document which specifies what directories should exist on a Unix/Linux system and what they're used for... Debian and many other distributions follow it |
| 02:44.17 | marp | xxx: I'm trying to, but it's giving me an error |
| 02:44.19 | xxx | no devices detected |
| 02:44.26 | thomas_adam | Wyzard: No, debian follows the LSB. |
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| 02:44.34 | swonsay | ok thank you! |
| 02:44.36 | dee | well, i think i need to have alias blah videodev or something in modules.conf, no? |
| 02:44.40 | Justin | dee: no |
| 02:44.40 | deadcat | whats borked mean? |
| 02:44.42 | swonsay | thomas_adam, LSB? |
| 02:44.43 | marp | yeah, no devices detected |
| 02:44.48 | Wyzard | xxx: I've never heard of something working when compiled in but not as a module (assuming the module is loaded, of course) |
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| 02:44.50 | thomas_adam | !lsb |
| 02:44.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lsb is The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/, or very incomplete |
| 02:44.57 | Wyzard | thomas_adam: Doesn't the LSB incorporate the FHS? |
| 02:45.03 | swonsay | ty |
| 02:45.04 | dee | no? |
| 02:45.06 | dee | hmmm. |
| 02:45.06 | thomas_adam | Wyzard: Extends it yes. |
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| 02:45.12 | xxx | Not sure about that but I had that problem with I810 |
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| 02:46.09 | Wyzard | Anyway, Debian doesn't follow the LSB completely, because last I heard, LSB specifies use of RPM as the package format :-) |
| 02:46.17 | xxx | Well he can load the module |
| 02:46.17 | z36ra | Wyzard: aparently alsa is not running at startup. I could swear I saw it when booting but I don't see it in any logs |
| 02:46.19 | bleh_ | is there a way i can get the fix for the hard drive power down on reboot problem in kernel 2.6.6 without having to compile a kernel myself? |
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| 02:46.32 | xxx | But if he has no devices detected that is kernel thingy |
| 02:46.48 | Wyzard | z36ra: It might be failing to load... maybe the modules aren't loaded when the initscript runs at boot time, but then get loaded later for some reason |
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| 02:47.00 | n00b | Wyzard : can i goto /etc/hosts for changing the ip on the network instead of using ifconfig??? |
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| 02:47.19 | Wazm | n00b: no. |
| 02:47.25 | Wyzard | n00b: You don't need to CHANGE your IP, you just need to HAVE an IP. |
| 02:47.33 | marp | the raedon drivers come with a make script, but when I run it it tells me that /lib/modules/2.4.26-1-386/build does not exist |
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| 02:47.37 | Wyzard | n00b: If you don't have an IP, you can't do anything on the network. |
| 02:47.38 | z36ra | could be... I'll check it out in more detail. just thought Ide ask to see if anyone had a quick-fix |
| 02:47.51 | n00b | well....is that the way to do it? |
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| 02:47.59 | Wazm | n00b: /etc/hosts is there to provide a mapping between hostnames and IP addresses without having to use DNS. |
| 02:48.04 | Wyzard | n00b: No, /etc/hosts is not for setting your IP. |
| 02:48.25 | Wazm | n00b: A long time ago, before DNS, people just used to pass around really big /etc/hosts files. |
| 02:48.30 | swonsay | is using a small 5-10 mb partition at the beginning of the disk, only advantage to let you use larger discs? |
| 02:48.35 | xxx | YOur problem is you need to load that module |
| 02:48.48 | adhom_ | hey guys is there something similar for debian to this http://skype.com/ ? |
| 02:48.52 | n00b | oh....hmm |
| 02:48.52 | Wyzard | n00b: ifconfig (or iproute) are for setting your IP, or DHCP gets an IP from a server so you don't have to set one manually |
| 02:49.02 | marp | xxx: ok, how do I do that? |
| 02:49.06 | n00b | oh ok |
| 02:49.14 | n00b | iproute is another command? |
| 02:49.43 | Wyzard | swonsay: That's not needed anymore on modern computers, but it's still not a bad idea to have a separate partition for /boot -- you can mount it read-only so there's no chance of your kernel being corrupted by filesystem damage if you crash or the power goes out |
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| 02:50.04 | spock_ | whats the "modconf" equivilent in Debian Testing w/ kernel 2.6.3? |
| 02:50.10 | xxx | Good question |
| 02:50.18 | Wyzard | n00b: iproute is a newer tool which will eventually replace ifconfig, but isn't as popular yet. Either that or ifconfig can be used to set your IP. |
| 02:50.20 | marp | heh :) |
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| 02:50.37 | Wazm | Heh, they're replacing ifconfig? |
| 02:50.55 | swonsay | Wyzard, what exactly does it hold, the base system, as described by debians setup? or just the kernel? |
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| 02:50.59 | n00b | Wyzard : do you know how i can get an ip for my win box?...ipconfig??? |
| 02:51.09 | spock_ | nevermind, modconf needs to be installed, lol :P |
| 02:51.25 | swonsay | actually where can i get more specific information about this, what its helpful for, how big it should be, etc...?? |
| 02:51.45 | Randy | some people say im special.. what do they mean? |
| 02:51.49 | n00b | Wyzard : i'll probably need one for the samba... |
| 02:51.50 | Wyzard | swonsay: According to the package description, it's "the professional set of tools to control the networking behavior in kernels 2.2.x and later"... I read somewhere that it's intended to supersede ifconfig |
| 02:52.30 | Wyzard | n00b: The usual way to set an IP in Windows is to open the properties window for the network connection, highlight TCP/IP in the list of protocols, and click the Properties button. |
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| 02:53.02 | Wyzard | swonsay: oops, meant to say that to Wazm |
| 02:53.13 | swonsay | i havnt a clue what eigther are:( |
| 02:53.19 | Wyzard | Wazm: ^^^ |
| 02:53.20 | marp | xxx: any ideas? |
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| 02:53.47 | Wyzard | swonsay: My /boot is 70MB, but only 13MB of that is used |
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| 02:53.53 | Wazm | Wyzard: Yeah, I thought they'd probably leave ifconfig laying around then. Taking that out would break so many of my scripts. :P |
| 02:54.06 | opp | did i do something to my gift cos the downloading is only averaging 56kb/s , just last night it was averaging 160kb/s? |
| 02:54.13 | n00b | Wyzard : for the subnet mask or default gateway what should i enter? |
| 02:54.28 | Wyzard | n00b: Read a tutorial on TCP/IP |
| 02:54.31 | n00b | and for the dns server i should type the ip of the linux box right? |
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| 02:54.51 | Wazm | n00b: Describe the network to which you are connecting? |
| 02:54.58 | Wyzard | n00b: The "default gateway" means your router... leave the subnet mask at the default |
| 02:55.16 | adhoc | hi all =) |
| 02:55.35 | n00b | the dns server = ip "got" for linux box? |
| 02:55.37 | Wyzard | Wazm: his home LAN that he's setting up (with very little knowledge of networking, it seems) |
| 02:55.45 | swonsay | Wyzard: well i plan to get testing version of debian, with the 2.6 kernel, so i should want what 15mb of room? |
| 02:55.50 | adhoc | any one have any ideas why my 250GB disks are only recognised as 128GB on a 2.4.18 kernel? |
| 02:56.01 | adhoc | the bios recognises them as 250GB |
| 02:56.12 | xxx | Are you using Woody? |
| 02:56.19 | Wyzard | n00b: Unless you're running BIND on the Linux router (I highly doubt it), you need to specify the IP addresses of your ISP's DNS servers... if the Linux box has gotten online successfully, look at its /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:56.27 | swonsay | can i say X needs to be name hda4? |
| 02:56.29 | Wazm | n00b: The default gateway should be the upstream router. If you're using a linksys box or something, it would be the internal address of that device. (Typically 192.168.1.1) |
| 02:56.32 | adhoc | xxx, yes |
| 02:56.40 | Wyzard | adhoc: That's a driver limitation... upgrade your kernel |
| 02:56.46 | adhoc | xxx, is this a kerenl limit thing? |
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| 02:57.01 | adhoc | Wyzard: cheers, upt to 2.4.26? or to 2.6.x |
| 02:57.02 | adhoc | ? |
| 02:57.11 | dreamer__ | i'm trying to launch an X task after doing a 'su' to root... and get... "cannot connect to X server" -- this suggests a way that ought to work --> http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/01/msg00143.html "export XAUTHORITY=/home/nameofuser/.Xauthority"... but it doesn't. |
| 02:57.11 | laun | what's a god mpg player thats thats that's a debian package? |
| 02:57.22 | mwilson | adhoc: What the BIOS reports is meaningless. |
| 02:57.26 | Wazm | laun: mpg123! |
| 02:57.39 | Wazm | oh wait, I parsed that wrong |
| 02:57.40 | mwilson | adhoc: You need support for LBA48 and a controller that supports it. |
| 02:57.45 | gravity | laun: If you don't mind gnome, totem has worked great forme |
| 02:57.45 | laun | yeah, I installed from the source package |
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| 02:57.48 | Mike_05 | OOOOOOOOOOK |
| 02:57.51 | Mike_05 | erm/ |
| 02:57.55 | Wyzard | swonsay: I'm running 2.6.6... my /boot contains 2.6.5 and 2.6.6 kernels and their initrds, as well as GRUB config and System.map and memtest86 |
| 02:57.58 | Wazm | laun: Not sure if mplayer comes in .deb form, but it is good. |
| 02:57.58 | laun | what is the diffrence between "/var |
| 02:58.03 | adhoc | mwilson: cheers... off to recomile .. |
| 02:58.11 | GRant__ | Wyzard i downloaded the NEt install and it doesnt boot!!! |
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| 02:58.29 | GRant__ | While my old Debian 3.0 Potato cd boots the new sarge one doesnt |
| 02:58.35 | Wyzard | swonsay: The size you *need* depends on how many kernels you want in there, but 50MB-70MB should be plenty of space for kernels, and a drop in the bucket compared to the size of your disk |
| 02:58.56 | bleh_ | is there a way i can get the fix for the hard drive power down on reboot problem in kernel 2.6.6 without having to compile a kernel myself? |
| 02:58.56 | gravity | Grant__: Which sarge image did you download? |
| 02:58.59 | Wyzard | Grant__: I've never had that problem |
| 02:59.06 | Grant__ | this one |
| 02:59.07 | Grant__ | hold |
| 02:59.15 | Xenguy | dreamer__: there probably a better way... |
| 02:59.19 | n00b | Wyzard : should i just leave the dns server alone and set the ip? cause i just want an ip address...for the samba...or the game... |
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| 02:59.21 | gravity | heh... I can't see "this one" |
| 02:59.27 | Xenguy | dreamer__: but you could just start a 2nd X session... |
| 02:59.38 | Xenguy | dreamer__: as root -> startx -- :2 |
| 02:59.41 | Grant__ | argh fuck anyway Wyzard the one u suggested i downloaded the netinstl |
| 02:59.55 | Wyzard | n00b: If you want to be able to use DNS names (i.e. "www.debian.org" instead of 194.109.137.218) then you want DNS servers too |
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| 03:00.01 | gravity | Grant__: The testing candidate? Or a nightly build? |
| 03:00.16 | Grant__ | Grant__ hold |
| 03:00.18 | n00b | Wyzard : don't forget that this is only for home...no internet AT ALL...:) |
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| 03:00.35 | dreamer__ | Xenguy ... isn't that sort of inefficient...? |
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| 03:00.45 | Wyzard | n00b: Oh... if you don't have Internet access, (how are you using IRC?) then you don't need Internet DNS servers. |
| 03:00.47 | Grant__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.48 | Grant__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.53 | Xenguy | dreamer__: as a said, there's prolly a better way, yeh |
| 03:01.11 | Xenguy | dreamer__: but it should work |
| 03:01.15 | n00b | Wyzard : i just don't want to use it...on the network for now...i just wanna connect these two thing together... |
| 03:01.22 | gravity | Grant__: Ok. You might want to try one of the testing candidate (tc) images instead |
| 03:01.23 | Grant__ | Wyzard / gravity thats what i d/l and it loads perfectly on this PC's cdrom drive so i dont know why its not booting.. |
| 03:01.34 | n00b | Wyzard : that's goal #1 |
| 03:01.36 | Grant__ | gravity what does TC mean? |
| 03:01.44 | gravity | Grant__: Test Candidate |
| 03:01.53 | Wyzard | Grant__: I haven't personally used the testing candidate, but I have used beta4 to install several systems with no problems |
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| 03:02.04 | Grant__ | So use Beta4? |
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| 03:02.14 | gravity | Grant__: No, definitely use TC instead of beta4 |
| 03:02.14 | Wyzard | n00b: Then just assign an IP |
| 03:02.35 | Wyzard | Grant__: They wouldn't remove bootability in the TC :-) |
| 03:02.43 | Wyzard | Grant__: Maybe your BIOS is configured not to boot from CD-ROM ? |
| 03:02.43 | n00b | Wyzard : and i almost forgot...i'm setting up the lan connection ...not my dial-up access >:) |
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| 03:02.58 | n00b | Wyzard : so i don't need to resolve anything |
| 03:03.03 | Grant__ | Wyzard im not that dumb please lol it booted off the other debian 3.0 potato cd i have |
| 03:03.22 | dreamer__ | well... i try another question... feel like i'm 0/1 at this point--- how can one get KDE to update the menus...? i tried "/usr/bin/update-menus" ... that didn't do it |
| 03:03.22 | Wyzard | Grant__: dunno then... you're using the same iso that I've successfully booted from |
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| 03:03.40 | gravity | Grant__: This is x86, right? |
| 03:03.41 | n00b | Wyzard : the thing is ...for this small little internal network...what should i chose for subnet mask or default gateway? |
| 03:03.45 | Wyzard | n00b: If you were using the Linux box as a router to get the other computers online, the other computers would need valid DNS servers |
| 03:03.48 | Grant__ | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ <---- I downloaded the NETINST one from that.. |
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| 03:04.11 | swonsay | ok this is bad..... i think, im using cfdisk, i have 4 partitions ( one is for bios) it says that what would be my 5th(swap) is unusable, its 998.65(sopposed to be 1gig) |
| 03:04.13 | Wyzard | n00b: You have no default gateway if you're not using a router to get to the Internet. Leave the subnet mask at its default. |
| 03:04.15 | n00b | Wyzard : that's for when i get the dsl connection and the static ip...maybe next year :D |
| 03:04.20 | Grant__ | gravity??? |
| 03:04.35 | dreamer__ | (my KDE... somehow got screwed--the packages apt-get install don't show-up...) |
| 03:04.38 | Wyzard | swonsay: You can only have four primary partitions on a disk... if you want more partitons, create an extended partition |
| 03:04.44 | Grant__ | gravity im running a AMD 1100mhz or something, did i get the right one? |
| 03:04.47 | gravity | Grant__: You're on an x86, right? Not ppc or something? |
| 03:04.51 | gravity | Grant__: Yeah, Ok, that's the right one |
| 03:04.54 | Wyzard | swonsay: What do you mean "one is for bios" ? |
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| 03:05.10 | swonsay | Wyzard: when it goes in hybernate it needs space to save all the crap... |
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| 03:05.15 | Grant__ | gravity ok so what do you suggest i download now? |
| 03:05.19 | Wyzard | n00b: You don't need a static IP, as I've said before |
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| 03:05.24 | Wyzard | swonsay: ah, ok |
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| 03:05.33 | swonsay | thats what i got from the manuals, i can leave it out, but i dont want to have to turn it off, and i dont thing suspend works in linux |
| 03:05.35 | swonsay | er think |
| 03:05.36 | gravity | Grant__: I'd try the TC1 bizcard image. It's not very big and it should be fine for what you need |
| 03:05.53 | n00b | Wyzard : next year i'm gonna set an external dns server on the linux box...then the network won't be quite internal anymore....=/ |
| 03:06.02 | Grant__ | gravity i need PPPOECONF + PPPOE |
| 03:06.16 | Wyzard | n00b: "set an external DNS server" ? |
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| 03:06.22 | Teakk | on deb, adduser asks for info of the user(such as full name, tele #, and things like that)...is there a way to bypass that |
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| 03:06.26 | n00b | Wyzard : yeah... |
| 03:06.33 | n00b | Wyzard : for resolving n00b.org |
| 03:06.36 | n00b | :D |
| 03:06.39 | swonsay | how much is a good size for swap? |
| 03:06.56 | n00b | Wyzard : to the same computer/....heh (Webserver) |
| 03:07.03 | gravity | Grant__: Ah... Ok, I think that'll be on the bizcard image, but I could be wrong |
| 03:07.04 | Wyzard | n00b: ah... you don't need to run your own DNS for that (you can often get DNS bundled with a domain-name registration) |
| 03:07.17 | Grant__ | Wyzard is there anyway to find out? |
| 03:07.18 | Xenguy | swonsay: how much RAM do you have installed? |
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| 03:07.26 | swonsay | looking...... |
| 03:07.28 | n00b | Wyzard : umm....what if i wanna change it at an instance to n00b2k5.org? |
| 03:07.32 | gzhzhx | hi |
| 03:07.37 | swonsay | 128MB 2.5MB for Vram |
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| 03:07.53 | Wyzard | n00b: But if you're going to do that, you *really* need to gain some knowledge of TCP/IP networking first... #debian isn't going to tell you everything to type to set up routing and firewalling and DNS |
| 03:07.59 | dreamer__ | anyone know if the KDE menus are something that resides in the local user directory...? |
| 03:08.06 | Grant__ | Wyzard well i just checked my current netinst cd it has pppoeconf ;) |
| 03:08.18 | Wyzard | n00b: Then you go to your registrar and buy that domain too, and point it at whatever DNS server you're using |
| 03:08.32 | Xenguy | swonsay: I've researched this and nobody really agrees ;-) But my 'general rule' is 'make swap double the RAM' (unless you have a ridiculous amount of RAM, which you don't) |
| 03:08.42 | gzhzhx | when someone says "his stance in the negotiations has been of studied neutrality" |
| 03:08.42 | Grant__ | uhm isnt the boot file suppose to be in the / not in /install ??? |
| 03:08.44 | gzhzhx | what does "studied" mean here |
| 03:08.46 | n00b | Wyzard : by that time...i've read all the books in need for networking...don't worry |
| 03:08.52 | Grant__ | Wyzard uhm isnt the boot file suppose to be in the / not in /install ??? |
| 03:09.01 | swonsay | eg if i had 16mb you would suggest somthing like 400MB swap atleast? |
| 03:09.14 | Xenguy | swonsay: no |
| 03:09.15 | Wyzard | swonsay: It depends on your needs and on how much disk space you have... for a while last year I had 12GB of swap just because I didn't need the space for anything else :-) |
| 03:09.17 | n00b | Wyzard : it's just that now that i'm a n00b ...cause i have this rush and enthusiasm for networking |
| 03:09.18 | Grant__ | Wyzard of the cdrom, if so anywya can you give me the link to the TC |
| 03:09.41 | Wyzard | Grant__: /install is where the installer mounts your hard drive so it can copy things to it |
| 03:09.43 | swonsay | Wyzard, ok so 500MB swap is good? |
| 03:09.52 | Xenguy | swonsay: if you have 128 Mb of RAM, go with 256 Mb of swap - others will have their own opinion, YMMV, etc. :-) |
| 03:09.55 | Wyzard | swonsay: How much RAM do you have, and what sort of software do you plan on running? |
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| 03:10.14 | Wyzard | swonsay: and how big is your hard drive? |
| 03:10.33 | swonsay | i plan on HAVING all desktops i can find like gnome, kde etc, to test them out, im going to have more or less just some games browsers etc... |
| 03:10.35 | Grant__ | Wyzard do you have the download for the TC sarge? |
| 03:10.41 | swonsay | he is 6.5 gb |
| 03:10.42 | Grant__ | Wyzard erm link |
| 03:10.48 | swonsay | er HD 6.5GB |
| 03:11.01 | Grant__ | Wyzard http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/tc1/ <---- thats it right |
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| 03:11.14 | Wyzard | swonsay: hmm... on a disk that small, I'd go with 300 to 500MB swap |
| 03:11.23 | swonsay | ok ty |
| 03:11.48 | Wyzard | Grant__: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ is where I'd go to get it... that's probably the same file though |
| 03:12.16 | Wyzard | Grant__: GNOME and KDE together will take around 600MB |
| 03:12.22 | Wyzard | oops |
| 03:12.24 | Wyzard | swonsay: ^^^ |
| 03:12.27 | Grant__ | Wyzard i dont use GNOME and KDE |
| 03:12.28 | Grant__ | lol |
| 03:12.29 | Grant__ | ;) |
| 03:12.33 | Wyzard | sorry |
| 03:12.36 | Grant__ | Wyzard so im getting TC1? |
| 03:12.41 | Wyzard | talking to too many people at once |
| 03:12.42 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 03:12.55 | Grant__ | lol Wyzard heh no worires |
| 03:12.59 | Grant__ | ok im going to start downloading it ok |
| 03:13.00 | Grant__ | ;) |
| 03:13.15 | opp | im trying to use my usb scanner in debian linux, can anyone help? |
| 03:13.17 | sbk | smaller disk implies larger swap? What's the theory behind this? |
| 03:13.45 | Wyzard | sbk: No, I'd use more swap otherwise... even if you don't need it most of the time, it's good to have some extra for that occasional need |
| 03:13.59 | swonsay | what Wyzard? ^^^ ??? |
| 03:14.16 | fbuff | i compiled kernel 2.4.26. now my ethernet cards are not detected. i.e. Reconfiguring network interfaces: SIOCDELRT: No such device. I have forgotten to configure the ethernet cards in the kernel right? |
| 03:14.17 | sbk | Wyzard: ah, going the other way :) gotcha. |
| 03:14.31 | Wyzard | sbk: like the time I accidentally opened two isos in a hex editor, not realizing that it would actually load them entirely into RAM instead of just reading bits from disk as needed :-) |
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| 03:15.10 | sbk | Wyzard: so between your ram and swap you keep 4Gb of space? :) |
| 03:15.11 | lucas | fbuff: sounds likely |
| 03:15.18 | swonsay | whats the diff between primary and logic? |
| 03:15.26 | Wyzard | fbuff: Either that or you compiled the module but just forgotten to load it... some of them have changed names |
| 03:15.29 | lucas | fbuff: or if you've compiled their drivers as modules, perhaps you need to load those modules |
| 03:15.47 | herbi | from the slashdot article about mozilla firefox 0.9 coming out: |
| 03:15.55 | herbi | " Haha, silly debian users...I run Gentoo. I'll let you guys know what 0.9 is like next week, when it finishes compiling. ;)" |
| 03:15.56 | Wyzard | fbuff: For example, the "rtl8139" driver changed name to "8139too" at some point |
| 03:16.28 | Wyzard | I don't bash Gentoo... it has some ideas that I like |
| 03:16.33 | swonsay | Wyzard: whats the diff between primary and logic? |
| 03:16.53 | herbi | Wyzard, it doesnt mean it isnt funny |
| 03:16.54 | swonsay | Wyzard: as far as cfdisk goes |
| 03:17.08 | bleh_ | are there some alternative kernel binary packages that incorporate new patches? |
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| 03:17.10 | Kerpal | If anyone is using it, How much is 3g service? |
| 03:17.11 | Wazm | Gentoo page = http://funroll-loops.org/ :P |
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| 03:17.44 | Wyzard | swonsay: The partition table has space for 4 entries... a primary partition just takes up one of those entries and uses the whole space, while an extended partition takes one of those entries and subdivides it into "logical volumes" |
| 03:17.50 | fbuff | i didn't configure any support for my cards. doh |
| 03:18.19 | swonsay | so logical is what i use for more then 4? |
| 03:18.27 | swonsay | but other then that it dosnt matter? |
| 03:18.36 | Wyzard | right |
| 03:18.44 | swonsay | ok kewl |
| 03:18.47 | mickeyks | the gmail interface is surprisingly fast |
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| 03:19.06 | Wyzard | I create a primary partition for /boot and an extended partition for everything else, but that's just personal preference |
| 03:19.07 | Wazm | mickeyks: I noticed the keyboard bindings are mildly similar to pine's. |
| 03:19.16 | swonsay | does suspend sopposed to work in linux? , ive got a laptop its kinda important |
| 03:19.21 | mickeyks | Wazm: and to mutt's, in some cases |
| 03:19.22 | Wazm | Or at least it has "c" for compose. |
| 03:19.24 | swonsay | is suspend sopposed to...... rather:) |
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| 03:19.28 | gzhzhx | gmail is open>? |
| 03:19.44 | mickeyks | gzhzhx: it's still in beta |
| 03:19.59 | Wazm | mickeyks: I don't think I've seen keyboard bindings done before inside a browser, which surprised me. |
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| 03:20.26 | gzhzhx | can i get an account somewhere? |
| 03:20.32 | mickeyks | Wazm: and the response is instantaneous. i have to say i'm impressed |
| 03:20.42 | Wyzard | gzhzhx: Sure, install Debian and make yourself an account |
| 03:20.50 | Wazm | The interface feels very similar to orkut's, I suspect they have some nice internal toolkit -- expect more online services from them. |
| 03:20.53 | mwilson | mickeyks: Hey! |
| 03:20.54 | mickeyks | gzhzhx: you have to have someone send you an invite |
| 03:20.57 | lucas | swonsay: i think you'll need an apmd enabled kernel and it should work |
| 03:21.00 | mickeyks | mwilson: hey wassup |
| 03:21.01 | gzhzhx | oh |
| 03:21.02 | Wyzard | oh, nm |
| 03:21.03 | mickeyks | : ) |
| 03:21.09 | mwilson | mickeyks: You work out your troubles? |
| 03:21.12 | swonsay | lucas, does kernel 6.6 have it? |
| 03:21.19 | swonsay | or do i have to compile it myself (cries) |
| 03:21.23 | Wazm | gzhzhx: gmail is pretty big on "invitation only" at the moment |
| 03:21.31 | lucas | 6.6? |
| 03:21.35 | Wazm | gzhzhx: you can try begging on http://www.gmailswap.com/ though :) |
| 03:21.36 | Kerpal | wish i had been invited |
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| 03:21.39 | swonsay | sorry typo |
| 03:21.44 | gzhzhx | too bad i know no one who has a gmaila ccount |
| 03:21.44 | swonsay | its 6 somthing |
| 03:21.46 | swonsay | i forgot lol |
| 03:21.56 | swonsay | the new one |
| 03:22.02 | swonsay | 2.6 i think |
| 03:22.03 | Grant_ | hrm |
| 03:22.04 | lucas | swonsay: 2.6.x should have it, but depends if you've configured it |
| 03:22.05 | n00b | Wyzard : i did it...using the option in knoppix for setting up lan card...that was easy...:) |
| 03:22.15 | mickeyks | mwilson: yeah. i changed lilo.conf to say boot=/dev/hda instead of hda1. and i also made a rescue floppy. |
| 03:22.19 | n00b | Wyzard : what is the broadcast thing? |
| 03:22.23 | swonsay | lucas, ok thats on the linux laptops site right? |
| 03:22.27 | swonsay | it will explain that stuff to me? |
| 03:22.35 | lucas | swonsay: if it's a binary kernel package you can check /boot/config-2.6.x |
| 03:22.36 | Wyzard | n00b: Use the default |
| 03:22.43 | mwilson | mickeyks: You had that damn mbr package installed... that shouldn't have made a difference. Wonder why it did... :) |
| 03:22.51 | mickeyks | gzhzhx: unfortunately, i just got my account, and i don't even have any invites to give away |
| 03:22.51 | lucas | swonsay: humm, dunno |
| 03:22.53 | n00b | Wyzard : it was like 10.0.0.254 |
| 03:22.54 | mwilson | mickeyks: Anyway, the important thing is that it's working again. |
| 03:22.56 | swonsay | lucas, havnt gotten that far in the install..... yet, taking my time being carefull |
| 03:23.02 | swonsay | lycas, im pretty sure it does:) |
| 03:23.14 | n00b | Wyzard : cause i like chose 10.0.0.1 for ip and 255.0.0.0 for subnet mask...like my windows's |
| 03:23.19 | lucas | swonsay: ok, it probably will |
| 03:23.21 | gzhzhx | mickeyks, how do you get invites? |
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| 03:23.22 | mickeyks | mwilson: well, maybe what did it was that i ran lilo from a rescue disk made with the 2.6 kernel...which by the way runs great |
| 03:23.25 | n00b | Wyzard : is that ok...or did i screw it up? |
| 03:23.34 | mickeyks | gzhzhx: google arbitrarily gives them to you |
| 03:23.35 | list | hrm |
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| 03:23.46 | gzhzhx | oh |
| 03:23.55 | Wyzard | Was 10.0.0.254 the default? |
| 03:23.59 | gzhzhx | mickeyks, if you get more than one, can you... ? |
| 03:24.01 | mwilson | mickeyks: Yeah, that might well have been the case, if the actual problem were a geometry issue. grub wouldn't do it for you either, huh> |
| 03:24.07 | n00b | Wyzard : after changing the ip and subnet mask....yes |
| 03:24.09 | list | where can i find out if something is broken on sid? grip the cd ripping program doesn't work, gnome_segv spits errors about pango. |
| 03:24.23 | mwilson | list: Uh, that IS why the BTS exists. |
| 03:24.24 | n00b | Wyzard : the subnet mask is the same as my win box...is that ok? |
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| 03:24.31 | list | mwilson, bts? |
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| 03:24.39 | Wyzard | n00b: yes |
| 03:24.39 | mickeyks | gzhzhx: the first few will go to close friends, but check back with me and i'll give you one if i keep getting them to give |
| 03:24.47 | mwilson | <sigh> Another unstable user that doesn't even know what the BTS is. |
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| 03:24.57 | mickeyks | mwilson: i rebooted to LI even after installing grub |
| 03:24.59 | n00b | Wyzard : what is the broadcast anyway...? =/ |
| 03:25.04 | mwilson | dpkg, tell list about bts |
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| 03:25.27 | swonsay | can i tell it to name a logical partition hda2 instead of hda5? |
| 03:25.28 | Wyzard | n00b: However, if your subnet mask is 255.0.0.0, the broadcast should be 10.255.255.255... and that should've been the default |
| 03:25.29 | mwilson | mickeyks: Well, that would be because it didn't actually replace lilo in the boot record. :) |
| 03:25.31 | list | mwilson, cheers. |
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| 03:25.53 | swonsay | Wyzard: can i tell it to name a logical partition hda2 instead of hda5? |
| 03:25.54 | Wyzard | swonsay: no, the numbers 1 through 4 correspond to the 4 slots in the partition table, and 5 and beyond are for logical volumes in extended partitions |
| 03:25.56 | mwilson | mickeyks: Doesn't matter, as long as your box works now. You got 2.6 tuned the way you like it? |
| 03:25.57 | idimmu | dpkg tell idimmu about bts |
| 03:25.59 | idimmu | :( |
| 03:26.03 | mickeyks | mwilson: would it have helped for me to uninstall lilo first? |
| 03:26.05 | swonsay | ok |
| 03:26.09 | n00b | Wyzard : should i change it ...or it doesn't matter? |
| 03:26.10 | idimmu | oh |
| 03:26.12 | gallarius | n00b: broadcast is what the HUB, it repeats the packets from x machine for y and z, without importating with the real destinatary of pkg. |
| 03:26.14 | idimmu | stupid fucking tlas! |
| 03:26.46 | Wyzard | n00b: As long as it's the same on all your systems (it's the IP used for sending packets to "everyone") then it's OK, but I'd recommend changing it to 10.255.255.255 |
| 03:26.58 | mickeyks | mwilson: no problems with 2.6. i don't know if it's the newer kernel or just all the crap that i didn't need not being there anymore, but a lot of things seem faster now. |
| 03:27.00 | gzhzhx | lol thanks |
| 03:27.13 | mwilson | mickeyks: Probably the latter. |
| 03:27.30 | n00b | Wyzard : how can i find out my windows's? |
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| 03:27.47 | Randy | what was the command to check the partition table? fdcheck? |
| 03:27.55 | Wyzard | n00b: It should be in the same properties window where you set the IP... if not, then run ipconfig from a prompt |
| 03:28.21 | mickeyks | mwilson: what i really like is not seeing that stupid error looking for pcmcia cards and scsi devices every time i boot |
| 03:28.25 | n00b | Wyzard : it doesn't say the broadcast... |
| 03:28.34 | Wyzard | n00b: Not even ipconfig? |
| 03:28.46 | n00b | no... |
| 03:28.46 | JoshTriplett | I'm trying to run Linux 2.6.6, but every time I shut down, I see "umount / device busy" right before poweroff, and then I have to fsck on startup. |
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| 03:28.56 | Randy | cfcheck |
| 03:28.59 | swonsay | ok now ive actually written the partition table lol |
| 03:29.00 | kjoonlee | Randy: dd if=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1|od |
| 03:29.08 | Wyzard | n00b: dunno then... it's been ages since I used a static IP in Windows |
| 03:29.13 | Wyzard | n00b: like... win98 days |
| 03:29.18 | n00b | hehe! |
| 03:29.21 | mwilson | mickeyks: Well, the pcmcia thing would have been easy to get rid of, but yeah, probing for umpteen different SCSI's gets old. :) |
| 03:29.23 | Randy | kjoonlee: whats that do ? |
| 03:29.27 | n00b | let me google |
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| 03:29.34 | n00b | it's called broadcast ip? |
| 03:29.36 | kjoonlee | Randy: It lets you check out the partition table. :) |
| 03:29.39 | Wyzard | n00b: All that stuff (including broadcast address) comes from DHCP on my network |
| 03:29.55 | Wyzard | n00b: Don't worry about it for now... Windows has almost certainly defaulted to 10.255.255.255 |
| 03:30.07 | n00b | so i should default to that... |
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| 03:30.11 | Wyzard | yes |
| 03:30.13 | n00b | on linux |
| 03:30.21 | junocake | I just backed up a hard drive(via a tar file of the orig filesystem), and I've chrooted to it, but now GRUB refuses to boot off the new drive |
| 03:30.29 | herbi | whoever pasted that funroll-loops website, youre very funny :P |
| 03:30.30 | herbi | haha |
| 03:30.34 | herbi | i havent like a site that much in ages. |
| 03:30.41 | Wazm | herbi: :) |
| 03:30.44 | herbi | as a matter of fact, im adding it to my favourites |
| 03:30.48 | junocake | it keeps saying Invalid File and won't boot the kernel, even after I've specified the root partition and the correct kernel/initrd |
| 03:30.49 | LakersFan | is anyone else having problems with gnome-panel? When I load gnome, one of my two panels doesn't display. If I right click on the one that DOES display and add a new panel, then the second one will display and I have to delete the new one. |
| 03:30.51 | junocake | any suggestions? |
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| 03:31.03 | gallarius | i having a problem when i try to shutdown it gives /dev/hda1 busy, and doesnt umount it correctly, someone know how to fix it? |
| 03:31.05 | Wyzard | junocake: The bootloader isn't a file so it isn't contained in the tar... just chroot in and run grub-setup again |
| 03:31.06 | n00b | Wyzard : 1 thing i don't get is that,,,why it needs to be the same...i mean like the machine with it's ip on the network can send a copy to all...=/ |
| 03:31.09 | mickeyks | mwilson: how would i have gotten rid of the pcmcia thing? |
| 03:31.18 | junocake | Wyzard, yes I've done that |
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| 03:31.27 | JoshTriplett | gallarius: I have the same problem. Are you running Linux 2.6 by any chance? |
| 03:31.28 | leekwens | ok here goes |
| 03:31.28 | Wyzard | n00b: The second half of that sentence didn't make sense to me |
| 03:31.40 | junocake | Wyzard, it installs Grub and boots to it, but when I select my kernel it gives an error |
| 03:31.53 | Grant_ | Wierd shit, i have a parcel at the postoffice waiting for me, which igotta pay 31.50 and i got nfi what it is lol |
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| 03:31.57 | Wyzard | junocake: ah... what error? |
| 03:31.58 | n00b | Wyzard : why does the machine need a broadcast ip different from it's normal ip? |
| 03:31.59 | leekwens | how do i tell my program to plot 1 sin wave cycle within a given distance? |
| 03:32.03 | junocake | Error 1: Filename must be either an absolute pathname or blocklist <- this one |
| 03:32.11 | leekwens | like scale a given distance to 2 pi |
| 03:32.12 | junocake | comes up when I try and do a testload from within grub |
| 03:32.14 | nguyen__ | hi, how can i get a list of installed packages in my system? |
| 03:32.19 | leekwens | i thought i just had to multiply the x values by 2pi/distance but that's giving me hella weird plots |
| 03:32.40 | Wyzard | n00b: The broadcast IP is used for sending packets to *all* hosts on your network, instead of a specific host. All hosts need the same broadcast address configured so they'll recognize such packets sent by other hosts. |
| 03:32.41 | gallarius | JoshTriplett: i using 2.4.25... |
| 03:32.51 | junocake | Wyzard, the kernel is in a /boot partition, which is /dev/hda1 |
| 03:33.06 | n00b | Wyzard : so these packets are *special*...? |
| 03:33.09 | gallarius | JoshTriplett: do u see error msgs about modules? |
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| 03:33.27 | JoshTriplett | gallarius: I'm running 2.4.26, and that works fine, but when I try 2.6.6 I get "umount / device busy" on shutdown. |
| 03:33.40 | JoshTriplett | gallarius: No, no module errors at shutdown. |
| 03:33.53 | n00b | Wyzard : and whatever machine recievs them ...when they see the sender add. as that they accept and read it? |
| 03:33.54 | Wyzard | n00b: If the Linux box sends a packet addressed to 10.0.0.254, which it intends to be received by all hosts, the Windows box will ignore it because it's not addressed to 10.255.255.255, nor to the Windows box's own IP |
| 03:33.58 | JoshTriplett | gallarius: what message are you seeing |
| 03:34.08 | Wyzard | n00b: Not the sender address -- the destination address |
| 03:34.16 | Wyzard | n00b: The sender address is the IP of whoever sent the packet |
| 03:34.19 | gallarius | JoshTriplett: something like: error ppp_modules fork.. |
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| 03:34.36 | Wyzard | n00b: Each host receives packets addressed either to its own IP or to the broadcast IP |
| 03:34.42 | gallarius | JoshTriplett: but i dont use a ppp connection! and i removed this modules from my kernel |
| 03:34.43 | n00b | Wyzard : oh ok...so the broadcast ip represents the ip of all computers |
| 03:34.47 | Wyzard | n00b: sort of |
| 03:34.56 | Wyzard | You can think of it that way |
| 03:35.04 | swonsay | during setup how do you tell it that you use hda1 to boot and hda2 is root? |
| 03:35.04 | n00b | yeah...i think so |
| 03:35.13 | fflush | what tool do you ppl use to scan wireless networks? |
| 03:35.55 | JoshTriplett | fflush: iwlist eth1 scan |
| 03:36.02 | LakersFan | fflush: kismet |
| 03:36.19 | Wyzard | n00b: Technically, the broadcast address can be any IP that would be valid for a host (as long as you don't assign that address to another computer), but the convention is to turn on all host bits, i.e. use 255 wherever the subnet mask is 0 |
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| 03:36.46 | JoshTriplett | gallarius: Check if that module is in /etc/modules, or if it is somehow being automatically loaded. Check with lsmod right before you shut down. |
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| 03:37.48 | Kerpal | fflush: kismet |
| 03:38.04 | gallarius | JoshTriplett: i already did it! |
| 03:38.16 | swonsay | Wyzard: during setup how do you tell it that you use hda1 to boot and hda2 is root? |
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| 03:38.27 | Kerpal | Wyzard: that makes no sense in a switched network. |
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| 03:38.43 | gallarius | JoshTriplett: i already had commented this modules... :/ |
| 03:38.46 | Kerpal | Wyzard: explain how a broadcast packed works in a switched network.. |
| 03:38.48 | swonsay | nebvermind..... |
| 03:38.50 | swonsay | found it |
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| 03:39.19 | Wyzard | Kerpal: Packets addressed to the broadcast IP are put into ethernet frames addressed to the broadcast MAC (ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff) instead of ARPing for the destination host's MAC |
| 03:39.29 | Wyzard | Kerpal: Switches pass broadcast frames to all ports |
| 03:39.41 | Kerpal | Wyzard: you cisco? |
| 03:39.58 | gallarius | JoshTriplett: im thinking in reinstall the system and compile a new kernel... |
| 03:40.11 | Kerpal | Wyzard: that was a damn good answer |
| 03:40.12 | Wyzard | No, I've learned TCP/IP in bits and pieces... but enough bits and pieces that I know it fairly well |
| 03:40.18 | Kerpal | Wyzard++ |
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| 03:40.23 | Wyzard | :-) |
| 03:40.30 | gallarius | JoshTriplett: maybe, the fs were corrupted |
| 03:40.33 | beta3 | Wyzard: finally got it to work down here |
| 03:40.38 | beta3 | Wyzard: <--- dan2 |
| 03:40.40 | JoshTriplett | gallarius: You could try installing a stock kernel and seeing if that works. |
| 03:41.02 | Kerpal | Wyzard: how will ipv6 broadcasting work? |
| 03:41.02 | beta3 | now I gotta fuck with the fonts |
| 03:41.07 | Wyzard | dunno, I haven't done much with IPv6 yet (I have a book on it but haven't had time to read much of it yet) |
| 03:41.18 | gallarius | JoshTriplett: original kernel 2.2.19, it gives this problem to... (umount), the module problem dont occur... |
| 03:41.22 | inkypinky | hello everyone I am trying to learn linux gui programming I have a lot of experience using VB under win32 so I am looking something similar coz honestly I suck at C programming. I looked up a lot of websites but they all left me more confused any pointers from the gui developer community and what tools are suggested |
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| 03:42.01 | Wyzard | I know that IPv6 uses multicast addresses instead of a broadcast address, but I don't know the details |
| 03:42.15 | Kerpal | Wyzard: okay doke |
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| 03:42.31 | Kerpal | Wyzard: If you ever wanna gab about shit like this lemme know. |
| 03:42.32 | JoshTriplett | leekwens: In gnuplot, "plot [x=0:1] sin(2*pi*x)" gives one sine curve, as does "plot [x=0:42] sin((2*pi/42)*x)". |
| 03:42.33 | gallarius | inkypinky: try out the kylix from bordland... its a "delphi for linux" |
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| 03:43.13 | JoshTriplett | inkypinky: Or try Python. Read "dive into python"; it's a great tutorial. |
| 03:43.16 | Wyzard | Kerpal: I might switch my home LAN over to IPv6 this summer for the experience of it... but I have to check first whether all my software supports it |
| 03:43.32 | Kerpal | Sounds intresting. |
| 03:43.48 | Kerpal | im sure their is some backward compatable shit for backwards apps. |
| 03:43.53 | gallarius | JoshTriplett: do u know a soft called maple? |
| 03:43.57 | JoshTriplett | gallarius: Sounds like the umount and modules problems are independent. |
| 03:43.58 | n00b | Wyzard : what is the famouse "Subnet mask" in all of this? |
| 03:44.26 | gallarius | JoshTriplett: yep, i think it too. |
| 03:44.28 | JoshTriplett | gallarius: Yes, it's a proprietary computer algebra system. |
| 03:44.33 | Kerpal | Wyzard: Correct me if im wrong, but arnt submet mask gone in ipv6? |
| 03:44.38 | Wyzard | n00b: It separates the "network" part of the address (10.x.x.x in your case) from the "host" part of the address (x.0.0.1, x.0.0.2, etc.) |
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| 03:45.12 | n00b | Wyzard : what does it mean if it's 255.0.0.0 ? |
| 03:45.22 | Wyzard | Kerpal: I think I remember reading that, but I don't know what's used instead, and I could be wrong anyway |
| 03:45.24 | gallarius | JoshTriplett: my calc-I teacher bought to me a copy... this program is really good, it works very fine o gnu/linux. |
| 03:45.35 | inkypinky | gallarius: if I program in kylix then can the code be compiled only under kylix or will other GNU compilers will be able to compile it |
| 03:45.35 | Kerpal | means the last three octect of the ip are dedicated to the hosts |
| 03:45.46 | Kerpal | mean 255x255x255 are hosts |
| 03:45.51 | Wyzard | n00b: It means the first byte of the IP address (the 10) is the network address, and the rest are the host's address on that network |
| 03:45.52 | Justin | n00b: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
| 03:45.53 | Kerpal | on the 10. netwokr |
| 03:45.59 | JoshTriplett | inkypinky: only in kylix. |
| 03:46.52 | gallarius | inkypinky: only in kylix envinroment.... |
| 03:46.55 | n00b | Wyzard : so like 255.255.0.0 means that in y.y.x.x the y.y s are the networks |
| 03:46.57 | JoshTriplett | inkypinky: If you want to write something that the majority of people can run, try C, C++, Python, Perl. |
| 03:47.04 | Wyzard | n00b: My IP on my home network here is 192.168.42.42 with a netmask of 255.255.255.0, meaning the network address is 192.168.42.x, and my computer's host address is 42 on that network |
| 03:47.09 | Wyzard | n00b: right |
| 03:47.16 | Kerpal | yeap. |
| 03:47.28 | Kerpal | whats intresting is 255.255.255.248 |
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| 03:47.44 | Kerpal | you should go read a subnetting howto .. |
| 03:47.46 | Wyzard | n00b: Traditionally, 255.0.0.0 is referred to as "class A", 255.255.0.0 is "class B", and 255.255.255.0 is "class C"... but now we use a more general notation called CIDR |
| 03:47.48 | mickeyks | n00b: now, where are they in 255.255.192.0 ? :) |
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| 03:48.00 | n00b | Wyzard : so the more 255 s you have from left to right the lower number of computers you can have on the network...minimum 256 |
| 03:48.01 | ppal | good night people! |
| 03:48.20 | gallarius | inkypinky: i dont remeber the name of the program but it is a "VB" for GtK... maybe it be cool... |
| 03:48.33 | Kerpal | yyyyyyyyy.yyyyyyyyy.yyssssss.ssssssss |
| 03:48.34 | Wyzard | n00b: Right, but it doesn't have to be 255... what you're actually describing is a set of bits which are either 1 or 0 |
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| 03:49.03 | Wyzard | n00b: 255.0.0.0 is 11111111000000000000000000000000 -- meaning that the first 8 bits of the 32-bit IP address represent the network number |
| 03:49.33 | Wyzard | n00b: But you could also use a netmask of, say, 11111111111100000000000000000000, meaning the first 12 bits represent the network number |
| 03:49.55 | Wyzard | n00b: You'd write that as 255.240.0.0 |
| 03:50.08 | mickeyks | or /12 :) |
| 03:50.08 | n00b | so if it's like 01000001.0000->.... that means the 2nd and 8th bit represent the network # |
| 03:50.13 | Wyzard | n00b: (11111111 -> 255, 11110000 -> 240) |
| 03:50.21 | Wyzard | n00b: You can't do that... all the 1s have to be at the left |
| 03:50.34 | Kerpal | HAHAHA N00b |
| 03:50.35 | n00b | Wyzard : ok |
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| 03:51.05 | Wyzard | n00b: CIDR notation is more compact... you can write 10.0.0.0/8 or 10.0.0.0/12 to indicate the network number and how many bits are set in the subnet mask... those two are equivalent to my previous two examples |
| 03:51.14 | mousex | hi |
| 03:51.15 | Kerpal | He needs to go read a subnet tutorial 3-4 pages aint going to kill him. |
| 03:51.30 | n00b | Wyzard : that's way better |
| 03:51.36 | mousex | i'm using xchat-text for the first time. How the heck to I set my handle? |
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| 03:51.54 | adhoc | mousex: /nick new-name |
| 03:51.57 | Kerpal | " /nick #handle (irc server side way)" |
| 03:52.04 | Wyzard | Kerpal: He wants to set up a home router and DNS eventually so he has a bunch of reading to do, but for now he's just setting up static IPs and wondering the reasons behind the various parameters |
| 03:52.06 | monster | it works! |
| 03:52.15 | mousex | wow, it works! |
| 03:52.19 | adhoc | =) |
| 03:52.22 | mousex | :) |
| 03:52.29 | Kerpal | Wyzard: doing him a disservice as he will think he has it. |
| 03:52.29 | element | what a surprise! |
| 03:52.31 | n00b | Wyzard : so with a netmask of 255.0.0.0 the network number can range from 0 - 255 ? |
| 03:52.47 | Kerpal | Wyzard: or he will bugger on forever cause you cant lay it all down in here.. |
| 03:52.59 | Kerpal | Wyzard: but its cool.. have fun .. goodnight |
| 03:53.00 | The_Ball | Does anybody know what kind of string this =?iso-8859-1?Q?foobarfoobar=B4s?= is? |
| 03:53.20 | n00b | Wyzard : and with a netmask of 255.240.0.0 the network number can range from 0.0 - 255.240 ? |
| 03:53.22 | mousex | text keeps on scrolling even when I'm typing, and it's annoying. Is that just an xchat-text bug, or can I configure it? |
| 03:53.25 | Kerpal | Doesn anyone know how hot two rats fucking in a woolsock is? |
| 03:53.44 | Wyzard | n00b: right... so there are only 255 such networks (actually only 253, since 0 and 255 aren't valid), but each can have millions of hosts on it |
| 03:53.56 | Wyzard | n00b: not quite |
| 03:54.16 | n00b | Wyzard : for the 2nd one ? :/ |
| 03:54.24 | mousex | is there a better console chat than xchat-text??? |
| 03:54.55 | mickeyks | mousex: how about irssi? |
| 03:55.00 | Wyzard | n00b: For the 240, you have to think about it in binary... any combination of the upper 4 bits is valid, but the lower bits must be zero |
| 03:55.10 | mousex | mickeyks: is the package name? |
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| 03:55.14 | Wyzard | n00b: since those are part of the host address |
| 03:55.25 | mickeyks | mousex: yeah, it's an irc client |
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| 03:55.47 | n00b | Wyzard : i said netmask of 250.240.0.0.... |
| 03:56.06 | Wyzard | You mean 255.240.0.0, I assume |
| 03:56.12 | mousex | apt-get says it doesn't exist[1~mickeyks: |
| 03:56.12 | n00b | Wyzard : oh yeah |
| 03:56.30 | mousex | irssi? |
| 03:56.37 | n00b | Wyzard : like we can have 250+240 network bits |
| 03:56.41 | mickeyks | mousex: apt-cache search irssi |
| 03:56.42 | n00b | 255* |
| 03:57.13 | mousex | mickeyks: interesting command. . . :) |
| 03:57.27 | mousex | how come I've never heard of apt-cache search before! |
| 03:57.35 | Wyzard | n00b: In that case the network number is 12 bits... so take all the 12-bit numbers and put the first 8 bits in the first part of the IP, and the remaining 4 bits in the upper 4 bits of the second part of the IP |
| 03:57.40 | Justin | !tell mousex about search |
| 03:58.42 | mousex | what's up with this dpkg bot? I didn't call it! |
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| 03:59.01 | mickeyks | mousex: it represents the channel's subconscious |
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| 03:59.04 | n00b | Wyzard : this is actually for multinetworking right? :) |
| 03:59.06 | mousex | extra niceness? |
| 03:59.17 | Wyzard | n00b: multinetworking? |
| 03:59.31 | mickeyks | as opposed to uninetworking |
| 03:59.38 | mickeyks | which is no longer in vogue |
| 03:59.54 | n00b | Wyzard : well ...that's how i explain it....when you're dealing with ips with different network bits |
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| 04:00.17 | opp | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:00.17 | laun | xxx: I'm trying that I rid you downloader ther in the broad for the ways etc.. |
| 04:00.41 | n00b | Wyzard : if we assume that all the networks are in the same place...like dreamhack's lan parties... |
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| 04:00.48 | mousex | elinks rocks!!!!!!!!! |
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| 04:01.06 | Wyzard | n00b: You need a router to go between different IP network addresses |
| 04:01.09 | Grant_ | ooooo ooo |
| 04:01.14 | Grant_ | file almost done |
| 04:01.32 | n00b | Wyzard : well yeah i guess so... |
| 04:01.33 | Wyzard | n00b: (And I mean a "router" in the true sense... the things from Linksys etc. are actually NAT devices, which aren't quite the same) |
| 04:01.53 | mwilson | food! |
| 04:02.00 | mwilson | <munch> |
| 04:02.04 | mousex | are irc commands the same in all clients? like the ones to conect and change nicks |
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| 04:02.16 | dondelelcaro | mousex: no. |
| 04:02.23 | dondelelcaro | mousex: they're similar, but not necessarily the same. |
| 04:02.24 | n00b | Wyzard : like that's how the internet works...the packets gets routed up and up and up and then all the way down from the NAP |
| 04:02.31 | Wyzard | n00b: Actually, no, that's not quite true... you *can* have multiple network addresses active on the same physical network without needing a router to forward packets between them, but you need extra configuration on all hosts |
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| 04:02.46 | dondelelcaro | yerp. |
| 04:02.48 | gravity | mousexTOO: The basics are generally the same |
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| 04:03.10 | mousex | Yeepy! I'm using 2 chat clients, one in each console! |
| 04:03.14 | Wyzard | n00b: There's no such thing as "up" or "down" in terms of routing so I'm not sure what you mean... but read about routing protocols if you want to know how packets find their way across the Internet |
| 04:03.18 | mousexTOO | and the second one rocks |
| 04:03.24 | mousex | it's better than xchat |
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| 04:03.31 | dondelelcaro | mousex: just use irssi... |
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| 04:03.41 | mousexTOO | oh, yeah |
| 04:03.52 | n00b | Wyzard : i meant like from isp to regional isp to backbone to NAP and then the way back... |
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| 04:03.57 | mousex | how do I quit xchat-text? |
| 04:04.05 | thu2 | how do i get root to run xwindows programs? |
| 04:04.10 | dondelelcaro | n00b: that uses BGP, which is a bit more complicated than whatever you're doing. |
| 04:04.29 | steven_ | what should be better, buy a pentium 4 2.8Ghz or pentium M 1.5Ghz |
| 04:04.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell thu2 run stuff as root |
| 04:04.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell thu2 about run stuff as root |
| 04:04.46 | elis | I have some problems with gtkam (gphoto2) seems that my cam hangs... I need to switch off and on again the cam to restablish the connection... I'm using sid, kernel 2.6.6 ... any idea? |
| 04:04.55 | Wyzard | n00b: That's done by routing tables... when a packet arrives at a router on the Internet, the router looks up the packets's destination IP in its routing table to decide which of its several network connections to send the packet along |
| 04:04.58 | dondelelcaro | thu2: you can also just use sudo. |
| 04:05.19 | mousex | steven_: pentium, i think |
| 04:05.23 | n00b | Wyzard : yeah....i quite know the general stuff about thta |
| 04:05.24 | mousex | steven_: pentium 4, i think |
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| 04:05.28 | Wyzard | n00b: Routing tables on large networks are too complex to maintain by hand so they're maintained by special routing protocols, which are an entirely different topic, and one that I don't know much about in detail |
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| 04:05.50 | steven_ | mousex: whats the difference between pentium 4 and M |
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| 04:06.09 | mwilson | <burp> |
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| 04:06.15 | LakersFan | M is a mobile processor with speedstepping for laptops and sih |
| 04:06.16 | zoo | wassup guys, i was wondering if anyone knew how i could get around this error: file:/instmnt/pool/main/m/manpages/manpages_1.39-1.1_all.deb was corrupt |
| 04:06.17 | LakersFan | ish |
| 04:06.22 | zoo | i redownloaded that file and reburnt, still same prob |
| 04:06.31 | n00b | Anyway anyone know how to get broadcast ip on windows (Crapdoze) |
| 04:06.34 | mousex | steven_: speedstepping means doing lower speeds to consumer less power |
| 04:06.35 | zoo | i get it when i am in setup installing the base system |
| 04:06.46 | n00b | ? |
| 04:07.05 | dondelelcaro | zoo: you should be able to skip installing that package... which disk set is this? |
| 04:07.05 | Grant_ | Wyzard new cd works with the netinst |
| 04:07.16 | Grant_ | Ok im going offline now to make sure my box detects everything so i can do the install |
| 04:07.20 | Grant_ | later guys n girls ;) |
| 04:07.22 | mousex | n00b: doesn't that work from the control panel or network properties? (but only in xp or 2k) |
| 04:07.23 | steven_ | oh, so all we are talking is about hos fast the power is gonna be consumed |
| 04:07.31 | thu2 | dondelelcaro:could u explain about using sudo, basically i just want to run gxine, but when i try as a normal user i get an error saying that i don't have the correct permissions to /dev/cdrom, which maps to /dev/hdc any suggestions? |
| 04:07.33 | Wyzard | n00b: If it doesn't ask you, then it's almost certainly using the convention of all-ones for the host bits in the address, which means 10.255.255.255 in your case |
| 04:07.36 | scorp` | iso 1 dondelelcaro |
| 04:07.47 | dondelelcaro | scorp`: iso 1 of what? |
| 04:07.56 | steven_ | what is a good kind of laptop? |
| 04:07.57 | gallarius | its possible to rebuild the database of pkgs? |
| 04:07.59 | mousex | steven_: only if you're talking about speedstep |
| 04:08.02 | Grant_ | ok bbl ;) |
| 04:08.03 | scorp` | iso 1 of debian |
| 04:08.04 | Grant_ | slater guys n girl |
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| 04:08.18 | dondelelcaro | scorp`: uh, there are at least 10 different first cd images. |
| 04:08.29 | steven_ | mousex: what about pentium 4 ht or something like that |
| 04:08.32 | mousex | steven_: good kind? one you build yourself and runs Debian GNU/Linux!! :) |
| 04:08.37 | dondelelcaro | scorp`: is this d-i; woody, potato, sarge, or what? |
| 04:08.49 | scorp` | huh? |
| 04:09.01 | scorp` | debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso |
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| 04:09.03 | steven_ | mousex: i mean ibm, toshiba, etc |
| 04:09.03 | scorp` | bootable cd |
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| 04:09.05 | mousex | steven_: p4 is not exactly designed for laptops. They consume more power, expecially with ht tech, but they are fast |
| 04:09.09 | Flexy | thu2: adduser thu2 cdrom |
| 04:09.12 | dondelelcaro | thu2: for that, you're probably going to have to add the user to the cdrom group, or get wine not to access /dev/hdc directly... (there's no reason for it to be doing that, frankly...) |
| 04:09.18 | Wyzard | n00b: If you have several hosts on your network, try pinging the broadcast address :-) |
| 04:09.22 | Flexy | thu2: as root, or with sudo |
| 04:09.31 | swonsay | Wyzard, is there a way to say, download alot of documents, and howtos for linux? to go from newbie to knowing what to do when? |
| 04:09.40 | swonsay | like an apt-get install sanity, or somthing |
| 04:09.42 | Wyzard | swonsay: http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 04:09.53 | hanasaki | wehre is the dam thing that controls double/single click in gnome2.6 nautilus? |
| 04:09.54 | swonsay | my problem is my system wont be online after today |
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| 04:09.59 | swonsay | so i need to keep it on the HD |
| 04:10.01 | mousex | steven_: I like toshiba and sony because they have sub-notebooks. |
| 04:10.16 | Wyzard | swonsay: You can download tarballs of the documents there |
| 04:10.21 | steven_ | mousex: what is that of sub-notebooks |
| 04:10.21 | thu2 | dondelelcaro:weird, it already lists thu2 as a member of cdrom group |
| 04:10.32 | dondelelcaro | thu2: what does id say? |
| 04:10.32 | swonsay | Wyzard, ok thank you! |
| 04:10.34 | mousex | steven_: but check out linuxcertified.com or something similar to make sure the laptop you choose would work fine with linux |
| 04:10.43 | scorp` | dondelelcaro: it's debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 04:10.44 | scorp` | that iso |
| 04:10.49 | dondelelcaro | thu2: is /dev/hdc* owned by root.cdrom? |
| 04:10.53 | mousex | steven_: sub-notebooks are just smaller notebooks |
| 04:11.11 | mousex | steven_: sub-notebooks are light, and come only with minimal hardware |
| 04:11.21 | steven_ | mousex: ok |
| 04:11.43 | thu2 | dondelelcaro:all owned by root |
| 04:11.57 | dondelelcaro | thu2: ok, it needs to be root.cdrom if you want to access it... |
| 04:12.05 | swonsay | argh i think i messed somthing up when you use /boot (lets say hda1) which lilo option should be used? |
| 04:12.13 | mousex | steven_: don't fall for a celeron processor or centrino configuration. Celerons are the crap left after making pentiums |
| 04:12.18 | steven_ | mousex: how do i know if the computer come with Monara 852/855 Chipset |
| 04:12.23 | dondelelcaro | scorp`: md5sum /instmnt/pool/main/m/manpages/manpages_1.39-1.1_all.deb |
| 04:12.37 | steven_ | mousex: why not centrino |
| 04:12.55 | swonsay | Wyzard: i used the /boot option, no lilo wants to know use /dev/hda or /dev/hda1 which should i do? |
| 04:13.01 | swonsay | no* now |
| 04:13.11 | mousex | steven_: What's Monarana? Centrino is the same sad story as celerons. AMD are fast, efficient, and cheaper than pentiums. |
| 04:13.33 | thu2 | dondelelcaro:so i have to chown /dev/hdc* cdrom |
| 04:13.35 | Wyzard | swonsay: The use of a separate /boot partition doesn't matter there... you probably want to use hda, but the decision is the same as it would be if you didn't have a separate partition for /boot |
| 04:13.54 | dondelelcaro | thu2: chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc* |
| 04:13.56 | mousex | steven_: you would probably have to ask the vendor/manufacturer about the chipsets |
| 04:13.57 | Flexy | thu2: chown root.cdrom /dev/hdc |
| 04:13.58 | steven_ | mousex: send a msg to dpkg for centrino and it gives you three things a computer need to be a centrino |
| 04:13.58 | swonsay | well because when i use lilo in MBR |
| 04:13.59 | swonsay | it says: |
| 04:14.02 | dondelelcaro | thu2: or chown root.cdrom /dev/hdc* |
| 04:14.11 | steven_ | mousex: what is a AMD |
| 04:14.15 | swonsay | lilo discoverd a boot signatures on other partitions in your system.. |
| 04:14.40 | mousex | steven_: Advanced Micro Devices, the competitor of Intel. They make processors, like Athlon |
| 04:14.56 | swonsay | steven_: i prefer AMD, to anything else:) |
| 04:15.11 | Wyzard | swonsay: That generally means you have a Windows installation which it thinks you might want to be able to boot |
| 04:15.16 | steven_ | is Athlon a good processor |
| 04:15.23 | swonsay | Wyzard, i dont have windows, so use ignore? |
| 04:15.33 | swonsay | Wyzard, its talking about hda1.... wjocj os l;omix |
| 04:15.40 | swonsay | er which is linux (debian) |
| 04:15.45 | Wyzard | steven_: If you want the fastest processor possible, buy Intel. If you want the most processing power per dollar, buy AMD. |
| 04:15.52 | scorp` | dondelelcaro: fb1288d5a45c3ebd780e8f17f384d969 |
| 04:16.22 | mousex | steven_: AMD processors usually come with greater front-bus speeds, more cache memory, etc. |
| 04:16.23 | Wyzard | swonsay: There shouldn't be a boot signature on hda1 unless you've previously installed a bootloader on it, but whatever... I'd say ignore |
| 04:16.24 | steven_ | whats a good graphic card |
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| 04:16.30 | Wyzard | swonsay: btw, GRUB is better than LILO |
| 04:16.31 | gallarius | StevenK: its a good processor, but, put a great cooler over it, its became really hot! |
| 04:16.39 | xtapo | Anyone know of a good CD ripper that's in APT? |
| 04:16.41 | gallarius | steven_: its a good processor, but, put a great cooler over it, its became really hot! |
| 04:16.41 | dondelelcaro | scorp`: e35984ac5d225b06d5788b10f8b3a768 manpages_1.39-1.1_all.deb |
| 04:16.48 | Wyzard | xtapo: cdparanoia |
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| 04:16.55 | dondelelcaro | scorp`: there's something really wrong with your manpages_1.39-1.1_all.deb |
| 04:16.56 | xtapo | Rips to vorbis? |
| 04:16.57 | Wyzard | xtapo: (assuming you're talking about audio CDs) |
| 04:17.07 | swonsay | Wyzard, how do i use GRUB instead? |
| 04:17.11 | xtapo | Yeah. |
| 04:17.19 | swonsay | Wyzard: ive seen it i liked it, so :) |
| 04:17.22 | Wyzard | xtapo: cdrdao just gets the audio off the CD... use abcde for the whole ripping and encoding process |
| 04:17.29 | dondelelcaro | scorp`: you can probably skip installing it if you can drop to a shell... shouldn't be a big deal... and download it later. |
| 04:17.29 | scorp` | dondelelcaro: could it be the burning screwing up? |
| 04:17.37 | mousex | steven_: I don't know much about video cards |
| 04:17.43 | dondelelcaro | scorp`: possible... alternatively, whereever you got the iso from could have munged it. |
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| 04:18.03 | dondelelcaro | scorp`: unless you built the iso using jigdo, of course. |
| 04:18.05 | gallarius | steve_: Gforce, Matrox, ATI |
| 04:18.14 | mousex | steven_: do you want it to do some serious 3D work? |
| 04:18.17 | Wyzard | swonsay: You could run grub-install... though I like to have control over things so I do it manually: run the grub shell, and say "root (hd0,0)" and "setup (hd0)" |
| 04:18.19 | gallarius | steve_: really goods video cards |
| 04:18.34 | Wyzard | swonsay: You need to write the config file for it though... read the docs |
| 04:18.36 | swonsay | Wyzard, i want to install kernel 2.6 and use grub instead have kernel 2.2 i believe as base install, and lilo, is there a quick fix while in setup, or is it a post-setup thing? |
| 04:18.43 | steven_ | whats a good kind of laptop i mean sony toshiba, etc |
| 04:18.46 | mousex | gallarius: isn't GForce made by nvidia? |
| 04:19.02 | gallarius | StevenK: yes, it is. |
| 04:19.06 | swonsay | Wyzard: if its only post setup, i know how to do it... (have written instructions) |
| 04:19.07 | Wyzard | swonsay: I'm pretty sure D-I lets you install either one, or uses grub by default, but you can just install lilo for now and switch later |
| 04:19.10 | gallarius | mousex: yes, it is. |
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| 04:19.11 | steven_ | which one? |
| 04:19.29 | swonsay | Wyzard, ok thank you for your help in my stupidity:) |
| 04:19.37 | mousex | steven_: GForce (video card for 3D) |
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| 04:20.07 | mousex | steven_: Sony laptops are good, but not very customizable |
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| 04:20.17 | gallarius | steven_: but if u dont do hard 3d work, or dont play, forget this... u'll taking your money on trash. |
| 04:20.19 | steven_ | ok what do you suggest |
| 04:20.20 | xtapo | I take it sound juicer hasn't made it into unstable? |
| 04:20.36 | swonsay | Wyzard, ok lilo is asking me if i want to boot from Linux or from Linux(hda1) |
| 04:20.37 | steven_ | what about movies |
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| 04:20.42 | Wyzard | xtapo: No, it's in unstable... I haven't used it, but I have it installed |
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| 04:20.52 | scarynetworkguy | xtapo, no but you do get a free FF2000 with every unstable install |
| 04:20.55 | xtapo | hmm, I can't seem to find it. |
| 04:21.01 | gallarius | steven_: u dont need a very expensive 3d card to play videos! |
| 04:21.11 | Guerin | !u |
| 04:21.11 | mousex | steven_: ATI or another nvidia card would do |
| 04:21.11 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 |
| 04:21.14 | steven_ | games |
| 04:21.28 | swonsay | !ne1 |
| 04:21.28 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 04:21.30 | Wyzard | swonsay: lol, no idea... I haven't used lilo in over a year so I don't remember what the installer's procedure for setting it up is like |
| 04:21.33 | mousex | steven_: 3d games? |
| 04:21.34 | gallarius | steven_: for games... you'll need a good card |
| 04:21.36 | scarynetworkguy | thank you mister English teacher :) |
| 04:21.43 | steven_ | yea |
| 04:21.53 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: your welcom |
| 04:21.58 | swonsay | Wyzard, ok gona try just Linux |
| 04:22.01 | steven_ | could you check out this laptop http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?type=product&id=1072286882909&skuId=6282275 |
| 04:22.09 | xtapo | scarynetworkguy: If only I got that joke... |
| 04:22.17 | mousex | steven_: gallarius is right. For 3d games you'll need a good card. |
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| 04:22.30 | scorp` | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 04:22.40 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, did I ever tell you about my CO in the Air Farce that would use "u" in detachment wide emails |
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| 04:22.55 | marcelo | Help installing gnome applets |
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| 04:23.07 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: I'm starting to get some insight as to why you called him a fucking idiot... |
| 04:23.16 | sanmarcos | whats the average rpm for a cpu fan? |
| 04:23.19 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, damn straight. |
| 04:23.33 | xtapo | ahh, there it is, sound-juicer |
| 04:23.43 | xtapo | damn me for not trying the hyphen. |
| 04:23.44 | marcelo | How to get jbc applet ( Gnome ) ? |
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| 04:24.04 | kro | what is a udeb? |
| 04:24.07 | steven_ | what is a tv output |
| 04:24.23 | swonsay | what file is the apt source list in? |
| 04:24.36 | sanmarcos | /etc/apt/sources.list swonsay |
| 04:24.39 | swonsay | ty |
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| 04:24.51 | gallarius | steven_: its a svideo output to u connect the video card on tv, and see the thins u see in the monitor, in a tv monitor. |
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| 04:25.20 | steven_ | ok |
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| 04:26.13 | scarynetworkguy | now to find a hotel in Seatle |
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| 04:26.27 | steven_ | gallarius: is this a good graphic card or no # ntel? 852GME integrated graphics w/32MB shared memory |
| 04:26.44 | xtapo | nooooo |
| 04:27.05 | dondelelcaro | kro: a udeb is a microdeb. The package file format for the new d-i installer |
| 04:27.07 | gallarius | steven_: no... |
| 04:27.10 | mousex | steven_: nope. Intel cards are no good |
| 04:27.11 | xtapo | Integrated cards with shared memory are slightly better then burning alive. |
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| 04:27.31 | kro | dondelelcaro: Is there documentation anywhere that describes udebs? I can't seem to find anything |
| 04:27.40 | dondelelcaro | kro: yeah, it's all in d-i... |
| 04:27.52 | gallarius | steven_: if u want good cards, looking for: Nvidia, 3dfx, ATI, Matrox. |
| 04:28.04 | steven_ | ok |
| 04:28.07 | sanmarcos | 3dfx is dead |
| 04:28.39 | gallarius | sanmarcos: on man.... im using console too much,,, :P |
| 04:28.39 | scarynetworkguy | gallarius, 1998 called. They want their vid cards back |
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| 04:29.02 | mousex | xtapo: what's shared memory? |
| 04:29.12 | sanmarcos | mousex, meaning shared with the ram |
| 04:29.22 | gallarius | mousex: it uses your ram memory..... |
| 04:29.25 | mousex | that's bad |
| 04:29.28 | mousex | really bad |
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| 04:29.33 | gallarius | very very bad |
| 04:29.34 | mousex | very evil of a video card |
| 04:29.42 | mousex | =) |
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| 04:29.54 | sanmarcos | my riva tnt still hangs there after 5 years of hard work :) |
| 04:30.31 | mousex | sanmarcos: I think mine is a tnt2 |
| 04:30.39 | steven_ | gallarius: what company works with AMD |
| 04:30.53 | sanmarcos | Dunno, but Nvidia makes god damn good video cards, the TNT's are unbreakable.. |
| 04:30.54 | gallarius | steven_: oh man... |
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| 04:31.19 | gallarius | steven_: u need to see the compatible with the motherboard... |
| 04:31.25 | opp | can anyone please help me with my usb scanner problem? |
| 04:31.33 | scarynetworkguy | cute some guy on /. who thinks that all cyrptosystems are public key. :) |
| 04:31.36 | mousex | opp: what's the problem? |
| 04:31.38 | sanmarcos | !tell opp about ask |
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| 04:31.47 | steven_ | gallarius: there isnt any company that works with that? |
| 04:31.48 | gallarius | steven_: if motherboard have a AGP slot, and how fast it writes. |
| 04:31.59 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: link? |
| 04:32.03 | gallarius | steven_: all companies! |
| 04:32.08 | swonsay | where can i find available kernels for download? |
| 04:32.18 | mousex | swonsay: kernel.org |
| 04:32.23 | Wyzard | swonsay: apt-cache search kernel-source, or http://www.kernel.org/ |
| 04:32.34 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard, http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=110588&cid=9382738 the answer to the parent I'm squadboy |
| 04:32.42 | opp | mousex, thank u... i got an artec usb scanner, but i cannot get kooka,xscan,scanimage,even quiteinsand to work with it. |
| 04:33.07 | swonsay | Wyzard: do you think i can find a kernel there with apmd support for laptops? |
| 04:33.08 | mousex | opp: is it at least being recognized by the kernel? |
| 04:33.29 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: hehe... he probably read "prime numbers" and thought "RSA" |
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| 04:33.47 | mousex | somebody said primes?! RSA?! |
| 04:33.49 | opp | i did insmod, insmod scanner |
| 04:33.49 | opp | Using /lib/modules/2.4.24-xfs/kernel/drivers/usb/scanner.o |
| 04:33.49 | opp | insmod: a module named scanner already exists |
| 04:33.56 | steven_ | gallarius: do you know any laptop that comes with AMD processor |
| 04:34.07 | Wyzard | swonsay: kernel.org is the source for the official kernels released by Linus -- source only, so you can compile in whatever drivers you want |
| 04:34.10 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard, You don't RSA have a patent on prime numbers? |
| 04:34.11 | opp | mousex, u see the above? |
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| 04:34.24 | Bizil | .org |
| 04:34.25 | gallarius | steven_: laptops from pcchips comes with amd processors... |
| 04:34.31 | Wyzard | swonsay: The Debian kernel-source packages have some patches (bugfixes, extra features) relative to the kernel.org versions |
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| 04:34.35 | mousex | opp: in addition to the scanner module, you need the module for the specific scanner, i think |
| 04:34.52 | mousex | opp: run modconf and look in the USB or scanner sections for your scanner |
| 04:34.52 | steven_ | where is that of pcchips |
| 04:34.52 | swonsay | Wyzard: so apt-get install kernel2.??? would have that included for me? |
| 04:34.53 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: Is RSA the subject or the direct object of that sentence? |
| 04:34.56 | gallarius | steven_: some models, and other comes with intel. |
| 04:35.25 | Wyzard | swonsay: I don't know what's in Debian's kernel-image packages since I don't use them, but if you install a kernel-source package you can configure it with whatever drivers you want |
| 04:35.51 | steven_ | gallarius: what is that of airbag for ibm laptops |
| 04:35.57 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard, typo the sentance should have started with "Doesn't" I suck |
| 04:36.00 | swonsay | Wyzard, would TLDP explain this in one of its files? if so im ok! |
| 04:36.19 | gallarius | steven_: i dont know, what u mean? |
| 04:36.30 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: RSA Data Security Inc. had a patent on the RSA algorithm (not the concept of prime numbers), but that patent is expired afaik |
| 04:36.40 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: It expired a year or two ago |
| 04:36.51 | steven_ | gallarius: # Airbag-like IBM Active Protection System (select models) |
| 04:36.58 | mousex | Wyzard: so can anybody do whatever with the alg? |
| 04:37.07 | opp | mousex, i see trhat the usb line has only one dot |
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| 04:37.17 | Wyzard | mousex: Check first since I could be wrong, but if the patent is expired, then yes |
| 04:37.22 | mousex | opp: what do you mean? |
| 04:37.30 | scarynetworkguy | Wyzard, closer to 3 but who's counting. Thus the joke "Don't they have a patent on prime numbers?" |
| 04:37.32 | gallarius | steven_: do u meand a transport bag with protection? i really about u are talking. |
| 04:37.34 | opp | its a dialog box |
| 04:37.41 | mousex | Wyzard: yupi! |
| 04:37.41 | opp | i cannot paste here too |
| 04:37.43 | opp | :( |
| 04:37.58 | mousex | opp: use # flood |
| 04:38.09 | Wyzard | swonsay: I'm sure there's a howto somewhere on configuring a kernel |
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| 04:38.21 | mousex | opp: what's the question in the dialog? |
| 04:38.30 | Wyzard | swonsay: Also, look into the "kernel-package" package, which helps with building kernels and puts the result into a .deb package |
| 04:38.55 | opp | mousex, can u go to #flood |
| 04:38.56 | steven_ | gallarius: i found that in ibm.com |
| 04:38.58 | opp | i opaste there |
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| 04:39.02 | opp | paste |
| 04:39.09 | mickeyks | Wyzard: sorry, i just read your router comment from way above. are you saying that linksys routers don't break up broadcast domains? |
| 04:40.17 | Wyzard | mickeyks: Broadcast domains in the sense of Ethernet-level bridging? No. |
| 04:40.27 | scarynetworkguy | there should be another word for what Linksys sells. I prefer the tern NAT box myself. |
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| 04:41.03 | Wyzard | mickeyks: If you're referring to my comment about using several IP network addresses on the same Ethernet segment, you can do that by adding appropriate entries to the routing tables of all hosts on that segment |
| 04:41.04 | sanmarcos | fuck I cant find anything |
| 04:41.10 | Wyzard | scarynetworkguy: I call them "NAT devices" |
| 04:41.13 | mickeyks | Wyzard: well, bridging would be the wrong term. i'm talking about whether or not a broacast sent out on the network will be forwarded by the router, or discareded by it |
| 04:41.22 | Randy | I call them "NAT fuckers" |
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| 04:41.40 | mickeyks | Wyzard: i was just referring to your comment about linksys routers not being real routers |
| 04:41.50 | scarynetworkguy | mickeyks, it will not be passed on to any other networks connected to the device. so yea discarded |
| 04:42.08 | mickeyks | scarynetworkguy: if that's true, then they are routers |
| 04:42.31 | Randy | hey scary |
| 04:42.42 | Wyzard | mickeyks: "Real" routers route between networks with real IPs, and often more than two such networks... a NAT appliance just rewrites headers in the packets going through it |
| 04:42.48 | Randy | scary: do you have any formal training of any sort? |
| 04:43.20 | mickeyks | Wyzard: if it discards broadcasts, then it is doing more than NAT |
| 04:43.24 | steven_ | gallarius: is this a good card ATI RADEON IGP 345M |
| 04:43.46 | mickeyks | that's what the main difference is between a router and a switch or a bridge |
| 04:43.59 | Wyzard | mickeyks: Well, it also does some basic firewalling |
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| 04:44.28 | mickeyks | Wyzard: i understand, i'm just saying that if it discards broadcast packets, then it's a router. it may be a shitty router, but it is a router. |
| 04:44.32 | Wyzard | mickeyks: No, the main difference between a router and a switch or bridge is that a router operates at the IP level, while a switch or bridge operates at the Ethernet level |
| 04:44.42 | jelque | "subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" How does one debug dpkg errors when something will not install correctly? |
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| 04:45.06 | Wyzard | mickeyks: It's not entirely incorrect to call those products "routers", but it's like calling a golf cart an automobile |
| 04:45.08 | scarynetworkguy | mickeyks, well kinda. They do many of the functions of a router and can be depolyed in situations that call for a router. But compare them to say my 3640 at work. Their main purpose in life is to NAT stuff out to the internet. In order to do that they have to do some routing. Just like in order for a firewall to do its job it has to do some routing. IMO a "real router" is a device for which the main purpose is routing and ev |
| 04:45.08 | steven_ | who knos what is that intel chip 855 for? |
| 04:45.08 | scarynetworkguy | erything else is secondary. Not something that does one thing and that thing requires it do routing. To some up Linksys is to Cisco as my 87 Tercel is to a 2004 Mustang. In the eyes of a car guy one is a car and one is a "real car" |
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| 04:45.56 | scarynetworkguy | mickeyks, but they are good for what they are used for just like my tercel is good at hauling my ass between work and home. I sit behind one here at home and could not be happier with it |
| 04:46.20 | Randy | scary: hello dude!? |
| 04:46.24 | mickeyks | ok |
| 04:46.38 | mickeyks | i have no particular arguments here |
| 04:46.43 | mickeyks | and i have to go to sleep |
| 04:46.56 | steven_ | who knos what is that intel chip 855 for? |
| 04:47.00 | scarynetworkguy | mickeyks, so yes you were right its just a matter of quality not type |
| 04:47.04 | mwilson | argh |
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| 04:47.57 | Randy | scary: is there some reason why you ignore me |
| 04:48.10 | mwilson | wooo... new inkscape |
| 04:48.30 | Randy | scarynetworkguy: hello |
| 04:48.37 | chitiri | steven_: it's a chipset, specific for laptops |
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| 04:48.59 | chitiri | steven_: a component of Centrino technology |
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| 04:49.14 | steven_ | is a good idea to buy a centrino or no? |
| 04:49.33 | mwilson | Do you need one? |
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| 04:49.42 | list | i thought i855 was old |
| 04:49.53 | list | i've got an i875 chipset and it's a year old |
| 04:50.12 | steven_ | i dont know if is good just some pentium 4 or pentium M |
| 04:50.17 | GoRK | hello.. I have remastered a debian install cd iso to boot my custom kernel and add some custom packages, but how can i change the kernel package that is installed with the base system or how can i tell the cd to install an extra package along with the base system? |
| 04:50.23 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson, the tv said that I do |
| 04:50.37 | Caesar | GoRK: Woody CD? |
| 04:50.48 | GoRK | caesar: no. debian-installer rc1 |
| 04:50.58 | chitiri | list: i875 is for desktops |
| 04:51.02 | Caesar | GoRK: Might be better asking in #debian-boot |
| 04:51.25 | GoRK | caesar: i had to build a kernel that would support my 3ware 9500 raid controller (uses 3w-9xxx.ko instead of 3w-xxxx.ko) |
| 04:51.31 | GoRK | Caesar: thanks ill try there |
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| 04:53.09 | steven_ | if i was to buy a new laptop should it be better to buy a pentium 4 or pentium M with the centrino |
| 04:53.51 | mwilson | I'm not the one to ask, I'd buy a Powerbook. Oh, wait... I *did* buy a Powerbook. :) |
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| 04:54.15 | steven_ | mwilson: what is a power book |
| 04:54.33 | mwilson | A Mac. |
| 04:54.42 | daniels | ... laptop. |
| 04:54.55 | Wyzard | steven_: http://www.apple.com/powerbook/ |
| 04:54.55 | mwilson | Hey, you. |
| 04:55.03 | mwilson | g'evening |
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| 04:55.17 | GoRK | mmmmm powerbook |
| 04:55.17 | steven_ | Wyzard: what is better a pentium M or pentium 4 |
| 04:55.23 | streuner_ | Do Jun 10 06:55:24 CEST 2004 |
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| 04:55.41 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson, good man |
| 04:55.52 | Wyzard | steven_: The M is newer, but I haven't paid much attention to Intel's products lately |
| 04:56.14 | streuner_ | steven_: check out groups.google.com |
| 04:56.20 | steven_ | Wyzard: what should be better to buy a pentium or AMD |
| 04:56.29 | GoRK | steven: geez calm down. a pentium 4 can give you better performance, a pentium m will give you better battery life, the other extra centrino support under linux is lax at best so if that's your bag then the p4 might suit better for now |
| 04:56.37 | chitiri | steven_: always AMD |
| 04:56.42 | GoRK | pentium m is still a good chip |
| 04:56.59 | cafuego | steven_: Athlon XP |
| 04:57.08 | daniels | mwilson: me? |
| 04:57.13 | Wyzard | steven_: I'd go with AMD because you get more processing power per dollar (or whatever your currency is) |
| 04:57.20 | mwilson | You. |
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| 04:57.31 | mwilson | What, I'm nice, and you're shocked? |
| 04:57.34 | mousex | can somebody tell me what's the default path to the "fixed" fonts? X dies giving me that error |
| 04:57.41 | cafuego | steven_: My Athlon XP-M 1.6GHz beat a P4-M 3.0 GHz at doing openssl rsa key tests |
| 04:57.45 | streuner_ | steven_: in general AMD's 'produce' more heat. |
| 04:57.46 | mousex | and I'm stuck in console meanwhile |
| 04:58.10 | Wyzard | mousex: Last time I had that problem (over a year ago, admittedly) the problem was that I didn't have xfonts-base installed |
| 04:58.15 | GoRK | i wouldnt call openssl rsa a meaningful benchmark unless that is all you intend to do with the machine :) |
| 04:58.23 | mousex | Wyzard: but I do |
| 04:58.26 | cafuego | GoRK: Of course :-) |
| 04:58.34 | GoRK | please note that i am a big fan of amd |
| 04:58.37 | mousex | Wyzard: and xfs, xdm, x-window-system-core, etc. |
| 04:58.42 | cafuego | GoRK: I'm sure there's things it's slower at, but then, it runs at half the clockspeed. |
| 04:58.45 | steven_ | from what company can i buy a AMD laptop |
| 04:58.50 | cafuego | steven_: HP |
| 04:58.54 | LSorensen | steven_: compaq/hp, emachines, etc |
| 04:58.55 | Wyzard | mousex: dunno then... "fixed" is an alias for something, but I don't remember where the alias is defined or what the actual font is |
| 04:58.58 | cafuego | steven_: The nx9005 is AMD based. |
| 04:59.10 | GoRK | cafuego: besides, pretty much any powerpc will crush rsa benchmarks :) |
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| 04:59.27 | cafuego | GoRK: Hmm, the 350MHz G3 doesn't beat my laptop ;-) |
| 04:59.29 | steven_ | cafuego: what company is that |
| 04:59.46 | cafuego | steven_: hewlett-packard |
| 04:59.52 | steven_ | oh oh ok |
| 04:59.54 | LSorensen | cafuego: if your laptop was a 350mhz pentium based it sure would |
| 04:59.59 | mousex | cafuego: G3 are risc, so they're better than your misp |
| 05:00.14 | LSorensen | mousex: misp? |
| 05:00.21 | GoRK | hahaha wtf is this risc vs misp crap now |
| 05:00.25 | cafuego | LSorensen: Hmmyah, it does beat the 486 dx4/100 laptop |
| 05:00.45 | Guerin | .oO(does he mean mpis, cisc or something else...) |
| 05:00.47 | mousex | reduced instruction set |
| 05:00.48 | cafuego | million instruction set poo ?> |
| 05:00.48 | Guerin | mips |
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| 05:00.51 | tempxc | how it makes to install debian with kernel 2.4? |
| 05:00.55 | LSorensen | Guerin: well mips processors are risc chips |
| 05:00.59 | mousex | or hardware processing versus software processing |
| 05:01.00 | Guerin | indeed |
| 05:01.00 | cafuego | risc/cisc |
| 05:01.05 | mwilson | <scarf> |
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| 05:01.26 | mousex | yup |
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| 05:01.27 | tempxc | sisc |
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| 05:01.48 | mousex | whatever crap it is, g3 are better than a pentium |
| 05:02.09 | Wyzard | tempxc: CISC |
| 05:02.10 | cafuego | mousex: Yes, they're comparable to a P3 and a bit faster at the same cpu speed. |
| 05:02.16 | streuner_ | !start an CPU war |
| 05:02.37 | Wyzard | !start a CPU war |
| 05:02.37 | dpkg | Here's a nickel, kid. Go buy yourself a 68000 |
| 05:02.37 | Guerin | mousex: of equal clock speed? Sure. At equal cost? Unlikely... |
| 05:02.38 | mousex | Sularis has the same architecture |
| 05:02.53 | mousex | Sun knows risc |
| 05:02.56 | peterS | mousex: I think you don't know what you're talking about |
| 05:02.56 | LSorensen | mousex: solaris is software. |
| 05:03.00 | patterson | isnt the distinction between risc and cisc blurred. compared to ten years ago ? |
| 05:03.02 | peterS | mousex: solaris runs on SPARC hardware, mainly |
| 05:03.05 | LSorensen | patterson: very much so |
| 05:03.09 | peterS | mousex: and SPARC is quite a different design from PowerPC |
| 05:03.11 | LSorensen | peterS: lots of x86 machiens too |
| 05:03.12 | cafuego | Guerin: Well that's the thing, a G3 is well more advanced than a Pentium, so of course it won't be cheaper. |
| 05:03.18 | mousex | cost vs goody |
| 05:03.42 | cafuego | patterson: It probably cwould be if intel hadn't bolted on all that MMX and SSE crap. |
| 05:03.51 | mousex | sse? |
| 05:04.05 | tempxc | in apt-get (unstable listed) is possible download gnome 2.6? |
| 05:04.06 | gzhzhx | do you know there's a documentary about linux |
| 05:04.06 | Guerin | cafuego: sure. But for the $n I would pay for a PPC, I can get a more powerful x86... |
| 05:04.07 | peterS | mousex: sse == streaming SIMD extensions |
| 05:04.12 | LSorensen | mousex: multiple chunks of data manipulated at the same time by one instruction |
| 05:04.18 | gzhzhx | its called <<the code>> |
| 05:04.19 | Guerin | cafuego: notwithstanding the new G5s... |
| 05:04.24 | mousex | hum |
| 05:04.25 | chitiri | mousex: SIMD == single instruction multiple data |
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| 05:04.34 | patterson | someone was talking about asynch chip architecture the other night |
| 05:04.45 | LSorensen | mousex: similar to what the altivec extensions do on some PPC chips |
| 05:04.57 | steven_ | is emacgines a good company to buy a pc or not? |
| 05:05.02 | Guerin | tempxc: if it's in unstable, you can get it with apt, yes |
| 05:05.09 | patterson | like the clock frequency would be superflous |
| 05:05.19 | mousex | steven_: emachines? no! |
| 05:05.20 | swonsay | ok i have grub, i dont want lilo, can i dpkg -P lilo? |
| 05:05.28 | cafuego | Guerin: Yes, that's a consideration if you want a mainly x86 based OS. |
| 05:05.29 | peterS | swonsay: yes |
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| 05:05.33 | LSorensen | mousex: emachines have improved a lot over the last couple of years |
| 05:05.34 | mousex | steven_: at least e-machines' desktops suck |
| 05:05.44 | cafuego | Guerin: For people who don't use Linux and hate windows, that's not much of a problem. |
| 05:06.06 | Guerin | cafuego: true enough |
| 05:06.21 | steven_ | mousex: what about laptops |
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| 05:06.27 | cafuego | Coz OSx *is* pretty :-) |
| 05:06.42 | mousex | steven_: i've seen some nice configurations by e-machines in tiggerdirect.com and buy.com |
| 05:06.47 | LSorensen | steven_: one of my friends has an emachines laptop with an athlon-M 2000+ in it. very nice. |
| 05:06.47 | tempxc | Guerin, and apt-get install ? |
| 05:06.59 | tempxc | Guerin, unstable ou tesitng |
| 05:07.07 | Guerin | cafuego: my main frustration with PPC is really the lack of expandability in emacs/imacs etc - the fact that to get something you can put a new video card into or a new monitor on requires going top-of-the-line |
| 05:07.11 | LSorensen | steven_: interesting wide screen display on some of them |
| 05:07.20 | mousex | steven_: with nvidia video cards, AMD processors, and stuff like that |
| 05:07.23 | steven_ | so, do you think it is a good idea to buy a emachines laptop |
| 05:07.23 | peterS | Guerin: lack of expandability in emacs? |
| 05:07.28 | cafuego | My wife is tossing up now too, she can get an Athlon64 and Linux OR a G5 box at 4 times the price. The OSX box can run decent software (I do consider Linux gfx and DTP apps not decent as of yet) |
| 05:07.30 | LSorensen | peterS: eMacs |
| 05:07.31 | peterS | Guerin: emacs is nothing if not extendable (: |
| 05:07.36 | Guerin | tempxc: if you have to ask how to work apt, you should really reconsider your decision to use gnome 2.6/unstable |
| 05:07.39 | mousex | steven_: sure |
| 05:07.54 | Guerin | peterS: ok, shoot me for my lack of capitalisation :) |
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| 05:08.02 | tempxc | Guerin, yyou use in apt-get list, unstable or stable ? |
| 05:08.08 | mousex | cafuego: 64bits |
| 05:08.15 | opp | can i check what kind of ram im using in my box with cli? |
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| 05:08.19 | Wyzard | cafuego: There's no official Debian AMD64 port yet... you have to go through a sort of convoluted installation |
| 05:08.25 | cafuego | Guerin: Hmmyeah, then again the same goes for an equivalent PC box, like say that butt-ugly Gateway thing they had a while back. |
| 05:08.30 | opp | can i check what kind of ram im using in my box with cli? |
| 05:08.32 | Guerin | tempxc: I use both, with pinning, I don't use gnome, and this is not relevant |
| 05:08.34 | steven_ | peterS: what do you mean with that of extendable |
| 05:08.36 | LSorensen | opp: probably not, unless there is still an eeprom reader program in the lmsensors stuff |
| 05:08.37 | cafuego | Wyzard: There's a Sarge TC1 AMD64 CD. |
| 05:08.49 | opp | ooh ; 9 |
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| 05:08.54 | Guerin | tempxc: if you want gnome 2.6, you'll need to use unstable |
| 05:08.57 | peterS | steven_: you can write your own emacs lisp functions to do anything you want in it, is what I mean |
| 05:09.04 | tempxc | Guerin, and kde 3.2 is possible too in apt-get (unstable) ? |
| 05:09.04 | Guerin | tempxc: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 05:09.09 | Guerin | tempxc: yes |
| 05:09.12 | tempxc | hm |
| 05:09.14 | LSorensen | opp: generally the motherboard/computer manual or www.crucial.com's lookup is the best way |
| 05:09.22 | Wyzard | cafuego: hmm... too bad my friend who installed pure64 the other day didn't know about that :-) |
| 05:09.22 | tempxc | Guerin, and kernel 2.6 ? |
| 05:09.23 | cafuego | Guerin: mom and dad wouldn't know how to pop a few gfx card or more ram into their desktop pc, so they end up paying premium buying components from the reseller PLSU installation costs. |
| 05:09.42 | Guerin | !tell tempx about search |
| 05:09.46 | cafuego | s/few/new/ |
| 05:10.06 | tempxc | !tell kernel 2.6 |
| 05:10.12 | zulu | Hi All! Can anyone tell me why I am getting this error in my syslog? -> modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-4 |
| 05:10.15 | Guerin | cafuego: that's true, but their son or daughter might do after reading about it on the internet - and it'd be nice to be able to do so, even if you never did |
| 05:10.20 | LSorensen | Most people don't upgrade their computer ever. They buy it, use it and then buy a new one. That's what the eMac/iMac is aimed at. |
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| 05:10.40 | mousex | LSorensen: what a waste |
| 05:10.50 | Guerin | cafuego: but I see what you're saying - it's about different philosophies of hardware supply |
| 05:10.59 | cafuego | Guerin: Same way their son or daughter might plug more ram into an iMac. |
| 05:11.17 | streuner_ | zulu: find out what 'char-major-4' is and check if its in your kernel as module. |
| 05:11.31 | LSorensen | zulu: /dev/tty# is char-major-4 is appears |
| 05:11.40 | steven_ | do you think a AMD processor is better than intel in games |
| 05:11.41 | Guerin | cafuego: ramm, sure. GFX card, ain't so easy. How about another HDD? |
| 05:11.47 | LSorensen | zulu: cat /proc/devices, and look for 4 |
| 05:11.48 | peterS | LSorensen: no, actually serial port support is char-major-4 |
| 05:11.50 | mousex | does anyone know how to steel the fortune cookies from thinkgeek.com? |
| 05:12.00 | LSorensen | steven_: I think the athlon is a better design than the pentium 4 |
| 05:12.02 | mousex | a pager app that calls the web site, maybe? |
| 05:12.05 | cafuego | Guerin: Mac users who want another HDD generally just buy a firewire hdd. |
| 05:12.12 | peterS | LSorensen: hmmm, I stand corrected. they both are on char-major-4 |
| 05:12.16 | Guerin | cafuego: or an ipod |
| 05:12.17 | zulu | ok... I'll give that a go... thanks... |
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| 05:12.21 | LSorensen | steven_: I don't like how intel is aiming purely at clock speed rather than performance. |
| 05:12.23 | cafuego | Guerin: A new GFX card is less of an issue, since it's just not a gamer platform. |
| 05:12.38 | LSorensen | steven_: I liked the P3 |
| 05:12.41 | swonsay | ok having trouble installing grub:( |
| 05:12.56 | LSorensen | steven_: I am still not sure what is with the Pentium-M, since it appears to do a lot more work per clock than a P4 does. |
| 05:13.05 | swonsay | its apt-get install grub, then update-grub, then reboot right?> |
| 05:13.18 | mousex | LSorensen: it's just the software it holds for speedstep |
| 05:13.22 | Guerin | swonsay: um, don't forget grub-install |
| 05:13.27 | Guerin | swonsay: man grub |
| 05:13.28 | steven_ | LSorensen: what about pentium M against athlon |
| 05:13.33 | LSorensen | swonsay: update-grub only updates the menu. grub-install can be used to actually install the boot code |
| 05:13.35 | swonsay | thanks Guerin |
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| 05:13.53 | LSorensen | steven_: I haven't seen much on the Pentium-M yet. There never seemed to be much of an announcement on it. |
| 05:14.02 | LSorensen | steven_: of course the athlon 64 is just amazing. |
| 05:14.03 | steven_ | ya |
| 05:14.07 | Guerin | cafuego: I take it you use PPC a bit, then? |
| 05:14.18 | swonsay | so it would be grub-install hda, correct? |
| 05:14.23 | LSorensen | swonsay: well /dev/hda |
| 05:14.30 | swonsay | its saying format of install_device not recognized.. |
| 05:14.35 | steven_ | LSorensen: have you seen it work in a laptop |
| 05:14.36 | Guerin | swonsay: did you actually read man grub in that time? |
| 05:14.42 | cafuego | Guerin: I have a fairly big collection of old Macs and i have a PPC603 *vomit* running Linux, as well as my wife's G3. |
| 05:14.47 | LSorensen | steven_: I haven't used a Pentium-M based laptop yet. |
| 05:14.49 | swonsay | no i just looked at the -h actually |
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| 05:15.25 | Guerin | cafuego: a fairly big collection of old ones speaks well of their life though |
| 05:15.42 | cafuego | Guerin: My father in law uses an iMac (email/office) and since he switched TO that iMac from a PC laptop, i haven't had *any* support phone calls regarding viruses/spam/crashes |
| 05:15.48 | streuner_ | cafuego: What OS you never run at all? :-) |
| 05:15.48 | steven_ | LSorensen: i mean the athlon |
| 05:15.54 | LSorensen | Guerin: I have working Decstation 5000's (Mips 3000A CPU), and a 486/66 running great. |
| 05:16.02 | cafuego | streuner_: I've never used AmigaOS |
| 05:16.28 | Guerin | LSorensen: my FIL has a dx2-66/win95 which he uses for web/mail |
| 05:16.39 | LSorensen | steven_: the athlon-M works great in the laptop. I don't know why compaq seems to use desktop cpu's in their laptops rather than the low power mobile chip, at least last fall they were still doing that. the emachines used the proper mobile chip |
| 05:16.44 | theSquirrel | can anybody here help me on a PPC install (iMac G3 400MHz 512M) |
| 05:16.48 | Guerin | I'm going to steal it and turn it into a router when I get back to NZ |
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| 05:16.56 | cafuego | Guerin: Yeah, apart from the one that was sitting in the crawl space under someone's floor and got flooded and the one that was on for 12 years and then had its hdd seize up after being off for 24 hours, they all work 100% OK. |
| 05:17.03 | LSorensen | theSquirrel: #debian-ppc might be more knowledgable |
| 05:17.15 | steven_ | ok |
| 05:17.19 | cafuego | theSquirrel: Wanna dual-boot it? |
| 05:17.19 | Guerin | cafuego: nice' |
| 05:17.28 | theSquirrel | LSorensen: thanks |
| 05:17.39 | LSorensen | steven_: the athlon-M seems to get about twice the battery life at the same performance :) |
| 05:17.40 | cafuego | Guerin: Even the one that's so old it has an external scsi hdd :-) |
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| 05:18.02 | theSquirrel | cafuego: nope...just want the install to see the bootstrap so i can install yaboot |
| 05:18.03 | steven_ | LSorensen: what laptop woth with that one |
| 05:18.05 | Guerin | i haven't used PPC much since LC-II's at high school |
| 05:18.07 | Guerin | hrm |
| 05:18.17 | Guerin | actually, I had a mac classic with an ext scsi HDD as well |
| 05:18.19 | simonrvn | LSorensen: #debianppc |
| 05:18.25 | cafuego | theSquirrel: Just use the sarge iso image to boot into the installer, should "just work". |
| 05:18.35 | theSquirrel | i am |
| 05:18.38 | theSquirrel | :( |
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| 05:18.54 | Guerin | at university. With about an 8" monochrome screen. The wife and I used to play rock scissors paper as to who got to write essays on that and who got to use the amiga :) |
| 05:18.58 | Slant | Does anyone know what's up with mono in unstable? |
| 05:19.16 | gzhzhx | i propose a moment of silence for our dear president reagan |
| 05:19.19 | gravity | Slant: It's in transition right now, but should be back up to speed soon |
| 05:19.24 | gzhzhx | starting... |
| 05:19.25 | gzhzhx | NOW |
| 05:19.28 | Guerin | gzhzhx: he's had his moment of silence already |
| 05:19.34 | LSorensen | steven_: yikes, emachines has a $1400 laptop with an athlon 64 mobile in it. |
| 05:19.36 | Slant | gzhzhx: What if he's not your president? |
| 05:19.42 | mwilson | gzhzhx: Uh, he's just a man. |
| 05:19.49 | gzhzhx | then you should still pay the proper respects |
| 05:19.56 | gzhzhx | ok a moment of silence... |
| 05:20.03 | Guerin | gzhzhx: come off it |
| 05:20.10 | steven_ | LSorensen: i saw the emachines 1564 |
| 05:20.13 | gzhzhx | ok |
| 05:20.14 | gzhzhx | thank you |
| 05:20.16 | Guerin | gzhzhx: go to #politics and do your moment of silence stunt there |
| 05:20.24 | gzhzhx | for those who observed |
| 05:20.25 | LSorensen | steven_: I just saw the M6805 |
| 05:20.41 | daniels | gzhzhx: b-grade actors die all the time |
| 05:20.41 | Slant | gzhzhx: They were probably idling. ;-) |
| 05:20.55 | tempxc | apt-get upgrade security (in unstable) download all fix ? |
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| 05:21.07 | steven_ | LSorensen: i was seeing the M6809 |
| 05:21.13 | LSorensen | steven_: the M2350 looks decent too |
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| 05:21.28 | gzhzhx | i'm appalled that so many of my fellow americans display this morbid levity at the death of a president... |
| 05:21.45 | Slant | gzhzhx: He already had his moment of silence, troll. |
| 05:21.46 | Guerin | gzhzhx: fuck off, this is not #usa-ok |
| 05:21.47 | LSorensen | steven_: the 6809 is a 3200+, the 6805 is a 3000+, but otherwise appear the same |
| 05:21.59 | gzhzhx | why does it have to be usa |
| 05:22.05 | gzhzhx | he's just a man |
| 05:22.17 | LSorensen | steven_: No idea how linux runs on those yet, but wow those are nice specifications for a laptop (and I don't even like laptops) |
| 05:22.18 | steven_ | LSorensen: and the other stuff like dvd burner |
| 05:22.30 | LSorensen | steven_: I thought it was cd burner/dvd reader |
| 05:22.30 | daniels | mw (hi, btw) |
| 05:22.32 | Slant | gzhzhx: In which case, I would like you to take a moment of silence for all the babies who died in the last five minutes. |
| 05:22.34 | Guerin | gzhzhx: june 7th wqas the 22nd anniversary of my father's death. Can he have a moment of silence too? |
| 05:22.34 | swonsay | Guerin, what is an example usage of grub-install? the manual and info and -h arnt making sence to me! |
| 05:22.34 | daniels | s/mw/mwilson: / |
| 05:22.42 | LSorensen | steven_: oh, nope you are right. |
| 05:22.45 | Slant | gzhzhx: Be silent for five minutes. |
| 05:22.51 | Guerin | swonsay: grub-install /dev/hdx |
| 05:22.53 | gzhzhx | ok |
| 05:23.02 | Guerin | swonsay: where x is your drive letter |
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| 05:23.08 | swonsay | Guerin, ok thank you! |
| 05:23.28 | mwilson | daniels: Ja? |
| 05:23.35 | Slant | And when you're done with that, do it again for another five. More babies died. ;-) |
| 05:23.39 | daniels | mwilson: was just returning your greeting |
| 05:23.39 | Caesar | Is there anything else that will do ASCII text banners other than /usr/{bin,games}/banner? Want something that doesn't use hashes |
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| 05:23.49 | steven_ | LSorensen: do you know any other company with low prices |
| 05:24.12 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 05:24.25 | LSorensen | steven_: not sure. the emachines was the most interesting looking I found while helping my friend buy a laptop last fall. I was rather impressed given my complete dislike of emachines before then |
| 05:24.38 | gzhzhx | ok |
| 05:24.45 | gzhzhx | i did mine |
| 05:24.51 | Slant | gzhzhx: Ok. Time for another moment. More babies died. |
| 05:24.53 | dondelelcaro | Caesar: so use banner, and perl -pi -e 's/#/foo/' banner. |
| 05:24.58 | steven_ | LSorensen: yea i thought the same before |
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| 05:25.06 | gzhzhx | no |
| 05:25.10 | gzhzhx | thats statistically incorrect |
| 05:25.22 | Slant | I guarantee more babies died. ;-) |
| 05:25.27 | Guerin | gzhzhx: so many unfeeling people, not doing moments of silence - you need to be silent all the time, to restore balance |
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| 05:25.41 | dondelelcaro | gzhzhx: look, the past, present or future president of the US is OT in #debian. Go elsewhere, please. |
| 05:26.21 | Caesar | Found something: http://www.network-science.de/ascii/ |
| 05:26.30 | x|e | hey on my other machine i have my ethernet card working and its up fine but i can only recieve connections i cant make any outgoing like to google or anything |
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| 05:27.06 | steven_ | LSorensen: what is better an athlon XP or 64 |
| 05:27.10 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: that's what several people told her/him... |
| 05:27.48 | x|e | any ideas on why it would respond like that? |
| 05:28.01 | dondelelcaro | x|e: uh, can you resolve google.com? |
| 05:28.15 | dondelelcaro | x|e: and where are these connections comming from? |
| 05:28.29 | x|e | well i had a friend ssh into the pc |
| 05:28.31 | LSorensen | steven_: the 64 is the newer design. the XP is the older 32bit desktop cpu. |
| 05:28.33 | x|e | and he could get in |
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| 05:28.49 | steven_ | ok |
| 05:28.53 | x|e | i thought it might be the nameservers also tried http://216.239.57.99 |
| 05:28.56 | x|e | and got nothing |
| 05:29.04 | dondelelcaro | x|e: can you ping debian.org? |
| 05:29.07 | cafuego | steven_: There won't be any athlon64 laptops yet though... and if there are, they'll be getting way hot. |
| 05:29.07 | tomb0y | firewall? iptables? output blocked ? |
| 05:29.09 | LSorensen | steven_: on some applications the new 64bit is much faster, on other thigns it's about the same speed as the 32bit |
| 05:29.31 | LSorensen | cafuego: there ARE laptops, apparently emachines has a few. And they are mobile versions of the athlon 64 |
| 05:29.35 | steven_ | cafuego: what do you mean hot |
| 05:29.37 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: and on some, it's much slower. |
| 05:29.45 | LSorensen | dondelelcaro: such as? |
| 05:30.00 | x|e | dondelelcaro, yes and apt works also |
| 05:30.01 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: such as anything that doesn't need to push around 64 bits... |
| 05:30.02 | LSorensen | dondelelcaro: I can't remember seen an athlon XP beating an Athlon 64 yet |
| 05:30.08 | cafuego | !dict hot |
| 05:30.12 | dpkg | Dictionary 'hot' (3 shown; 49 total): Yet charge of them was to a porter hight. --Spenser. ;; Syn: Burning; fiery; fervid; glowing; eager; animated; brisk; vehement; precipitate; violent; furious; ardent; fervent; impetuous; irascible; passionate; hasty; excitable. ;; wanted by the police; "a hot suspect". |
| 05:30.17 | x|e | i can download things just cant make any web connections |
| 05:30.30 | cafuego | steven_: the opposite of cold |
| 05:30.31 | dondelelcaro | x|e: and telnet www.debian.org 80? |
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| 05:30.38 | LSorensen | steven_: best thing to do is search google and google groups for a model and see what people think of it. |
| 05:30.42 | dondelelcaro | x|e: sure sounds like you've got a firewall or proxy problem then. |
| 05:30.51 | steven_ | i guess |
| 05:31.04 | LSorensen | steven_: if it has serious problems, someone is likely to complain |
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| 05:31.08 | dondelelcaro | x|e: although, if apt-get is working, that typically uses http... so it could be just your webbrowser that is not working. |
| 05:31.25 | x|e | dondelelcaro, tried lynx also |
| 05:31.30 | LSorensen | steven_: then you just have to filter out the whiners and find the real complaints and find out what fits your needs best |
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| 05:31.42 | x|e | lynx wont work |
| 05:31.43 | x|e | ;/ |
| 05:31.59 | dondelelcaro | x|e: does telnet www.debian.org 80; work? |
| 05:32.26 | LSorensen | steven_: If I was buying a new computer right now, I think I would get an athlon 64 based. The prices are finalyl reasonable, and they are nice and fast. |
| 05:32.55 | cafuego | yes, you should be able to build yourself an athlon64 box for around US$500 |
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| 05:33.06 | rich_ | hi |
| 05:34.01 | x|e | dondelelcaro, im getting nothing |
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| 05:34.05 | c4 | hi |
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| 05:34.40 | c4 | some program (way) to read an ISO ext3 CDROM in win98? |
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| 05:34.42 | grant_ | Anyone in? |
| 05:34.55 | c4 | me grant_ |
| 05:34.58 | grant_ | Sup |
| 05:35.08 | rich_ | c4 mic |
| 05:35.11 | list | c4, this isn't a windows 98 help channel |
| 05:35.31 | rich_ | c4 I mean microsoft has a update. Call them and tell them to make it. |
| 05:35.38 | c4 | list: is not an allwin question |
| 05:35.49 | grant_ | c4 I just did a fresh install of sarge on my linux box but the network cant reach the linux box or the server cant reach any other boxes onthe network |
| 05:35.56 | c4 | why are you so rude? |
| 05:36.05 | cafuego | a 21x4x based nic uses the tulip driver, doesn't it? |
| 05:36.13 | Guerin | c4: no, but you're asking a channel of people who (generally) dislike and don't use windows |
| 05:36.30 | Guerin | c4: google ext3 driver windows |
| 05:36.31 | grant_ | C4 would you know why this is? my internet works and im on the linux box now and the network card shows up inthe ifconfig and ip is as i put it, i dont understand whats going on... |
| 05:36.33 | tomb0y | c4: google ext3 win98 |
| 05:36.38 | streuner_ | c4: ask a debian-related question and you'll get prolly 'better' answers... |
| 05:36.54 | rich_ | c4 If enough people demand it then your operateing system will do it. So call microsoft and thell them. |
| 05:36.59 | grant_ | cafuego? you know why? |
| 05:37.28 | tomb0y | grant_: you have anything listed in ifconfig? can you ping anything? is this dhcp? |
| 05:37.41 | cafuego | grant_: firewall, broken cable or wrong network address. |
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| 05:37.59 | c4 | ok man, if you have the TV R control in your hand and you don't like the chanel, then you change it, so just type: /ignore c4 all |
| 05:37.59 | grant_ | tomb0y i have my both ethernet cards in there both as they should be, and i cant see why its doing it |
| 05:38.03 | swonsay | !moron swonsay |
| 05:38.04 | dpkg | swonsay: You are moron #88 |
| 05:38.05 | LSorensen | steven_: hmm, one interesting detail I found in a quick search: It appears the cpu runs 2ghz (on the 3200+) on AC, and 800mhz on battery. So that makes a difference I guess. Not sure how other laptops behave for saving power |
| 05:38.22 | swonsay | !cvs swonsay |
| 05:38.27 | x|e | ok i cannot download from apt |
| 05:38.34 | x|e | i didnt check it thouroughly |
| 05:38.37 | rich_ | c4 haha Wouldnt it be nice if you could force people to do that? But you cant. |
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| 05:38.52 | c4 | some prog like explore2fs that reads ext3 from windows that can read ext3 on a CDROM? |
| 05:38.57 | grant_ | cafuego my firewall is fine all ihave is ipforwarding and iptables set to just forward my connection |
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| 05:39.20 | swonsay | LSorensen: its usually up to the bios settings, my laptop has an option to go to 25% of my processor, i chose auto |
| 05:39.33 | streuner_ | c4: we already told you, this #debian not #windows, so STFU. |
| 05:39.33 | x|e | ok it must be firewall like you have said.... but how would i go about fixing this? it works fine on the 2.4.18-bf24 kernel... but on the 2.4.26 kernel its keeping me in and not letting me make any connections ;/ |
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| 05:39.58 | Kerpal | man im going to get a lobotomy if i keep it up |
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| 05:40.11 | Kerpal | anyhow.. |
| 05:40.24 | Kerpal | is their anything like emerge on debian? |
| 05:40.30 | Guerin | !moron Kerpal |
| 05:40.31 | dpkg | Kerpal: You are moron #35 |
| 05:40.31 | c4 | some prog like explore2fs that reads ext3 from Güindouz that can read ext3 on a CDROM? ... you don't see the bugs, you think they'r not there |
| 05:40.49 | swonsay | !moron dpkg |
| 05:40.49 | dpkg | dpkg: You are moron #56 |
| 05:40.50 | swonsay | hehe |
| 05:40.54 | Kerpal | !penixstrike Guerin |
| 05:41.08 | c4 | hehe... ok, ill stop doing this "mortif..."... bye |
| 05:41.22 | cafuego | Kerpal: apt-get -b source <apckage> |
| 05:41.31 | Kerpal | Guerrin hey if it compiles shit frim source and handles dependecies |
| 05:41.44 | Kerpal | cafuego: say if i have a source for something not in the apt-tree |
| 05:41.47 | swonsay | can you do apt-get install program1, program2, program3, etc? |
| 05:41.54 | Kerpal | and it bombs out on this one dependcy. |
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| 05:42.05 | Kerpal | swonsay: yes |
| 05:42.10 | swonsay | ty kerpal |
| 05:42.11 | streuner_ | swonsay: of course. |
| 05:42.14 | x|e | any ideas on how to make my firewall not emm block me from making connections? does it have something to do with any modules that are in the kernel? |
| 05:42.14 | Wyzard | swonsay: no commas though |
| 05:42.31 | Kerpal | you can eve apt-get install `apt-cache search kismet` and it will install all the kismet shit. |
| 05:42.40 | p0le | does the new beta4 installer let me make my root partition in xfs/jfs/(something besides ext2/3)? |
| 05:42.53 | Wyzard | Kerpal: Searching doesn't install packages... |
| 05:42.57 | grant_ | brb guys |
| 05:42.58 | Wyzard | p0le: yes |
| 05:43.00 | grant_ | i think i know what it is |
| 05:43.03 | swonsay | Wyzard ty for the tip:) |
| 05:43.10 | Kerpal | Wyzard: think about that command for a minute |
| 05:43.13 | p0le | Wyzard: which filesystems are supported? |
| 05:43.13 | grant_ | Wyzard when i return can you help me? i finsihed my install just need to get a few things running.. |
| 05:43.25 | Wyzard | Kerpal: oops, sorry, I only saw the "apt-cache search" part :-) |
| 05:43.26 | Kerpal | apt-get install `apt-cache search kismet` |
| 05:43.31 | Kerpal | :-) |
| 05:43.34 | swonsay | Wyzard: welcome back to chatting lol, you were being quiet:) |
| 05:43.48 | Wyzard | Kerpal: Howevrer, you need to filter the search results through something to get rid of the 1-line descriptions |
| 05:43.50 | grant_ | Wyzard ??? |
| 05:43.55 | Wyzard | swonsay: I'm playing ToME on my laptop |
| 05:43.57 | Kerpal | ahh |
| 05:44.01 | Kerpal | i forgot i hit up awk :) |
| 05:44.20 | grant_ | bah |
| 05:44.22 | Wyzard | swonsay: (which is on the desk next to the desktop) |
| 05:44.24 | Kerpal | and one might need xargs if it was a long list. |
| 05:44.32 | swonsay | Wyzard: ahh, well soon if i dont mess this up AGAIN, i can play games too hehe |
| 05:44.56 | Kerpal | for shits and giggles i may just cat the sources file(has no idea where the package info is) and just install everything call it suse linux |
| 05:45.30 | Kerpal | Where is the file that gets updated when i apt-get update? |
| 05:45.58 | streuner_ | Kerpal: /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
| 05:46.09 | Kerpal | hahahahaha maybe later.. |
| 05:46.19 | Kerpal | wonder how much space that would take up :) |
| 05:46.31 | Kerpal | wonder if the system would just break.. |
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| 05:47.12 | Kerpal | Wonder if by the time it got done what % of the packages installed would need and upgrade? |
| 05:47.15 | Wyzard | streuner_: I thought those files are just for packages that are installed... you don't need maintainer scripts for uninstalled packages |
| 05:47.20 | swonsay | ok in apt-get it says its man page (5) and that manpage (8) is for source.list i want to read about source.list, do i type man (8) ? |
| 05:47.54 | Wyzard | swonsay: Those are sections of the manual... "man man" will tell you what each number means |
| 05:47.59 | Kerpal | its a specifier for a category of man, i have never really understood it. |
| 05:47.59 | ryan | anyone else experience weird icon movement in the latest nautilus update (2.6.2) when you're using the icons in a zoomed out view (75%) >? |
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| 05:48.07 | Kerpal | just man sources.list |
| 05:48.17 | swonsay | Wyzard: ok thanks, how do i change my apt-get places??? graphicly? |
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| 05:48.41 | streuner_ | LSorensen: /var/lib/dpkg/info/avaiable: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 05:48.52 | streuner_ | LSorensen: oops |
| 05:49.03 | streuner_ | Kerpal: its the file 'avaiable' |
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| 05:49.11 | Kerpal | cool |
| 05:49.11 | Wyzard | swonsay: If you just specify the name of a manpage, it'll open the first one found... if there are several (for example, there's a printf(1) and a printf(3)) then you can specify the number, as in "man 3 printf" |
| 05:49.15 | p0le | anyone know which filesystems are supported by the "installer"? |
| 05:49.23 | Kerpal | funny i have beem their surprised i forgot. |
| 05:49.23 | Wyzard | swonsay: dunno about graphically... I just edit it with a text editor |
| 05:49.37 | Wyzard | p0le: ext3, ext3, reiser, XFS, JFS |
| 05:49.40 | swonsay | Wyzard: ok thanks! |
| 05:49.43 | Wyzard | p0le: for D-I |
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| 05:50.08 | streuner_ | Wyzard: didn't know the exact file-name... |
| 05:50.18 | Kerpal | someone should run the command apt-get install 'cat /var/lib/dpkg/avail |awk {whatever just to get the packahes}` just so you can tell me how many mgs are in the repository.. |
| 05:50.29 | p0le | Wyzard: umkay, i'll give beta4 a try |
| 05:50.40 | Wyzard | Kerpal: You can't actually install all the packages... some of them conflict with each other |
| 05:50.41 | jm_ | !+dstats woody |
| 05:50.46 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on woody... 8976 packages, 980 maintainers, 13340 MB installed size, 4231 MB compressed size. |
| 05:50.46 | jm_ | !+dstat woody |
| 05:50.47 | Kerpal | Wyzard: i know |
| 05:50.57 | Kerpal | wow |
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| 05:51.10 | Kerpal | Could fit the whole distro on a live dvd that would be some cool shit. |
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| 05:51.22 | jm_ | not with sarge |
| 05:51.35 | eclipsex | i have a 2.4.26 kernel installed on my desktop ... when i try to connect somewhere i get a time out error ... but people can telnet into it |
| 05:51.38 | jm_ | and even woody would possibly only fit on dual-layer disc |
| 05:51.44 | eclipsex | how can i fix it? |
| 05:51.56 | Kerpal | 4231 mb compressed just a bit over 4gb |
| 05:52.00 | Kerpal | or is it? |
| 05:52.11 | jm_ | those are debs and you can't install all of them |
| 05:52.15 | jm_ | at the same time that is |
| 05:52.16 | Wyzard | Kerpal: Yes, but that's the size of the .deb files, not the installed packages |
| 05:52.16 | Kerpal | true |
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| 05:52.38 | streuner_ | Kerpal: it would not much sense, because a lot of development packages are in woody or sarge... |
| 05:52.38 | Kerpal | true.. but the same compression would apply to the f.s. wouldnt it ;)) |
| 05:52.39 | Wyzard | eclipsex: Does this happen when you try to connect to *anything*, or only to a certain host? |
| 05:52.56 | eclipsex | Wyzard: anything |
| 05:53.17 | Wyzard | eclipsex: Misconfigured firewall maybe, that allows connections in but not out? |
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| 05:53.32 | eclipsex | Wyzard: erm maby in a router perhaps?? |
| 05:53.46 | eclipsex | Wyzard: i can connect to my router |
| 05:53.47 | Kerpal | AOl involved? |
| 05:53.48 | Kerpal | lol |
| 05:54.04 | Kerpal | route -n what does it say? |
| 05:54.13 | Wyzard | eclipsex: You said people can telnet into you... can they do that from on the other side of the router? |
| 05:54.22 | Wyzard | eclipsex: (btw, you should be using SSH, not telnet) |
| 05:54.37 | eclipsex | ya |
| 05:54.42 | eclipsex | x|e got in |
| 05:54.43 | Kerpal | he should just give everyone his root pw then he wouldnt have to worry about it. |
| 05:54.59 | Kerpal | so eclipsex: what is your pw for root? |
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| 05:55.05 | Loading | supppppppppppppppppppppp |
| 05:55.13 | eclipsex | Kerpal ermmm.... i forgot |
| 05:55.14 | Wyzard | So people can connect to you from anywhere, but you can only connect to things on your LAN, not on the Internet |
| 05:55.18 | swonsay | ok apt-get install has failed to fetch * files |
| 05:55.26 | eclipsex | Wyzard: yes |
| 05:55.28 | swonsay | ALL of them, all i wanted was x window system |
| 05:55.46 | swonsay | bad kernel perhaps? |
| 05:55.50 | Kerpal | apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 05:56.10 | Kerpal | next time apt-cache search X or Xserver or any keyword relating to it |
| 05:56.11 | swonsay | same problem |
| 05:56.20 | Kerpal | what does it say? |
| 05:57.21 | swonsay | Kerpal: this is just one line, specificly the last one, there all the same: Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/x/xfree86/FILENAME HERE Something wicked happend resolving 'ftp.debian.org:ftp'(-3) |
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| 05:57.40 | swonsay | lol |
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| 05:57.49 | Grant_ | ok back |
| 05:57.58 | swonsay | WB grant |
| 05:58.01 | Grant_ | Thanks |
| 05:58.02 | Kerpal | hatess them all. |
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| 05:58.45 | Kerpal | WB if its an O.S. I hate it too. |
| 05:58.45 | streuner_ | swonsay: what does 'ping -c1 google.com' say? |
| 05:58.45 | Wyzard | swonsay: You don't have working DNS... chances are you're not online at all |
| 05:59.09 | swonsay | Wb is welcome Back, lol |
| 05:59.09 | Kerpal | or somethine wicked happend to his sources.list |
| 05:59.09 | swonsay | Wyzard, how can i check that? |
| 05:59.09 | swonsay | net card light is on, router lights are on... |
| 05:59.09 | rich_ | Kerpal wow. Thats great. Thats a huge breakthrough. |
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| 05:59.15 | x|e | Wyzard: eclipsex can make outgoing connections on the default kernel he has in the system but not on the knew kernel that he is using it will only accept incomming connections,. |
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| 05:59.15 | Kerpal | ping ftp.debian.org |
| 05:59.15 | swonsay | i changed stable to testing, would that do it? |
| 05:59.15 | swonsay | unknown host |
| 05:59.15 | Kerpal | if fost failure then dns = down |
| 05:59.15 | swonsay | your right, ok how do i get online? |
| 05:59.15 | x|e | new* |
| 05:59.21 | Kerpal | edit resolv.etc put a valid name server in it. |
| 05:59.37 | swonsay | ok hold on/. |
| 05:59.38 | Kerpal | likely you can put your router address in their and it will likely do dns forwarding. |
| 05:59.50 | streuner_ | ^^^ |
| 05:59.50 | streuner_ | swonsay: what does 'ping -c1 google.com' say? |
| 06:00.04 | sigjuice | is there a sarge bugzilla or something? |
| 06:00.10 | swonsay | ping: unknown host google.com |
| 06:00.16 | swonsay | where is the file kerpal? |
| 06:00.30 | Kerpal | `/etc/resolv.conf` |
| 06:00.58 | Kerpal | where most conf files can be found.. |
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| 06:01.12 | swonsay | ok |
| 06:01.14 | swonsay | it says search tampabay.rr.com\000 ; nameserver 65.32.1.80 ; nameserver 65.32.2.130 |
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| 06:01.29 | gravity | sigjuice: bugs.debian.org |
| 06:02.05 | sigjuice | thanks, gravity. |
| 06:02.05 | swonsay | its sopposed to do dhcp/bootp |
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| 06:02.54 | Grant_ | ok guys, my SSH isnt working when i try to login from my local box on th enetwork i get the error message: unable to authenticate using any of the configured authtication methods |
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| 06:03.08 | swonsay | didja hear me? i said |
| 06:03.08 | swonsay | its sopposed to do dhcp/bootp |
| 06:03.08 | swonsay | it says search tampabay.rr.com\000 ; nameserver 65.32.1.80 ; nameserver 65.32.2.130 |
| 06:03.08 | Wyzard | swonsay: Do you have an IP? |
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| 06:03.31 | Grant_ | Wyzard any ideas? |
| 06:03.38 | tvn | what seems to be more effective when dealing with spam: a bayesian based like bogofilter or spamassassin ? |
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| 06:03.48 | swonsay | Wyzard: i dont know how do i find out? |
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| 06:04.55 | Grant_ | Wyzard do you know possibly why i cant connect via ssh |
| 06:05.48 | swonsay | what the heck is alll that?? |
| 06:05.59 | Wyzard | Your DNS settings should come from DHCP along with your IP... if you don't have DNS, most likey the interface is down |