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| 00:06.37 | emmetea | is there any way to have lilo boot a el toritto iso image? |
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| 00:07.15 | peterS | emmetea: no, don't think so |
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| 00:09.17 | emmetea | peterS: would it then be possible to boot an image of bootable floppy? |
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| 00:09.29 | emmetea | peterS: im on a laptop with out a floppy drive |
| 00:09.39 | peterS | emmetea: hmmmm. no way that I know of |
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| 00:10.26 | emmetea | is then perhaps possible to boot with syslinux? |
| 00:10.32 | lazarus | Cypress USB thermometer driver support (USB_CYTHERM) [N/m/y/?] (NEW) |
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| 00:11.04 | peterS | emmetea: syslinux requires the BIOS to boot either a real floppy or an el torito CD |
| 00:11.08 | peterS | emmetea: so again ... no |
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| 00:11.21 | Justin | lazarus: you would think that would be just a serial port... |
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| 00:11.53 | lazarus | Justin: yeah, wonder why it needs a kernel module |
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| 00:12.20 | hanasaki | where is the plugin directory on the debian firefox install? |
| 00:12.22 | cis | is something better then lilo? |
| 00:12.40 | lazarus | cis: what platform? |
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| 00:12.52 | hanasaki | cis: some sware by grub |
| 00:12.54 | hanasaki | i use lilo |
| 00:13.00 | lazarus | cis: milo certainly can be |
| 00:13.01 | Justin | lazarus: 433 1218 10467 cytherm.c, not very complex |
| 00:13.03 | peterS | lazarus: oh come on, you know the answer to that. he'll say "Athlon XP" or similar |
| 00:13.03 | hanasaki | or soemtimes system commander..but thats $30 |
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| 00:13.19 | lazarus | peterS: well, the answer is yes if he's on ppc ;) |
| 00:13.27 | peterS | lazarus: yeah, you and I know that |
| 00:13.46 | lazarus | peterS: he'll learn not to ask vague questions :) |
| 00:13.51 | peterS | hehe |
| 00:14.13 | Boomer|IA|USA | exit |
| 00:14.18 | Boomer|IA|USA | oops |
| 00:14.18 | lazarus | Justin: are you fluent enough to know why it's not just a serial port? |
| 00:14.19 | emmetea | peterS: with grub would booting he el-torito be possible? |
| 00:14.19 | jbr | hanasaki: the "system-wide" location is /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins |
| 00:14.32 | peterS | emmetea: I do not know |
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| 00:15.05 | cis | lazarus: AMD. I have problem with lilo when I disconect second disk. Lilo doesn't work. |
| 00:15.13 | idimmu | is it possible to 'unpack' a .deb file? |
| 00:15.16 | KrOnOs[PKA] | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.18 | lazarus | peterS: sometimes i wonder though if they come in here hoping to trip us up, and only later say "you said lilo is what i needed, even though i'm on an amiga" :) |
| 00:15.22 | dondelelcaro | idimmu: yes. man dpkg-deb; |
| 00:15.26 | idimmu | thx |
| 00:15.31 | lazarus | idimmu: man ar, it's an arball |
| 00:15.33 | peterS | lazarus: heh. could happen. |
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| 00:15.59 | goodell | idimmu: also look at the -x option to dpkg |
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| 00:16.07 | dondelelcaro | goodell: that's dpkg-deb... |
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| 00:16.50 | dondelelcaro | (albiet invoked in a slightly convoluted way...) |
| 00:17.15 | goodell | dondelelcaro: is it not recommended? |
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| 00:18.42 | Justin | lazarus: doesn't really do much, gets the temp, get and set brightness, and some button thing |
| 00:18.54 | dondelelcaro | goodell: no, it's not that it's not recommended... it's the same thing. dpkg is intelligent, figures out that you wanted dpkg-deb, and calls it for you. |
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| 00:20.29 | Gopher | what's the command to list the files in a .deb? |
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| 00:20.52 | x|e | Gopher ;) |
| 00:20.53 | GIBA | hi |
| 00:20.55 | jbr | KrOnOs[PKA]: apache needs +x access to /home, /home/user, /home/user/public_html |
| 00:21.09 | Gopher | x|e, hi hi |
| 00:21.14 | x|e | how are yah? |
| 00:21.27 | Gopher | do you know? x|e ;o) |
| 00:21.30 | GIBA | jbr: no |
| 00:21.33 | x|e | haha |
| 00:21.35 | floppyears | does anybody use k3b here. |
| 00:21.47 | Gopher | i haven't used it in a long time and i can't remember now... |
| 00:21.48 | floppyears | I having problems with debian, as a regular user. |
| 00:22.03 | jbr | KrOnOs[PKA]: (assuming UserDir is on in the apache config) |
| 00:22.04 | floppyears | k3b can't aaccess my cd-burner, only my cd-rom |
| 00:22.14 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: you have a dog do you? |
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| 00:22.41 | dondelelcaro | dan2: there are dogs at my house, but I don't own them. |
| 00:22.44 | x|e | Gopher, i dont |
| 00:23.09 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: fair enough, do you know how to treat a rash on a dogs belly more towards lower area and butt |
| 00:23.12 | jbr | GIBA: it doesn't? since when? |
| 00:23.16 | dondelelcaro | dan2: no clue. |
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| 00:23.18 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: I can't tell if its an allergy |
| 00:23.23 | dondelelcaro | dan2: would depend what is causing the rash... |
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| 00:23.36 | Gopher | dpkg --listfiles |
| 00:23.36 | dpkg | Gopher: are you smoking crack? |
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| 00:23.56 | GIBA | jbr: I never did this |
| 00:24.07 | dondelelcaro | Gopher: dpkg -L foo; is an easy way of doing that... |
| 00:24.15 | Gopher | okay! |
| 00:25.03 | Gopher | i can barely remember my name right now...don't be mean ;o) |
| 00:25.26 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: I saw Don Armstrong from AU on a post online about somebody's dog with grass allergies |
| 00:25.38 | dondelelcaro | dan2: heh. that's not me. |
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| 00:26.00 | FieldySnuts | @fart |
| 00:26.01 | floppyears | does anybody use k3b here? |
| 00:26.28 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: no? |
| 00:26.42 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: you aren't in au? |
| 00:26.54 | cafuego | dan2: No, she's not. |
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| 00:27.33 | Wyzard | grr... I have yet to see any of the console framebuffer drivers actually WORK properly except nvidia |
| 00:27.57 | FieldySnuts | framebuffer sucks anyway, slow as hell |
| 00:28.00 | peterS | Wyzard: would that include vga16 and vesa? |
| 00:28.02 | lazarus | Wyzard: mine does, and it's certainly not from them |
| 00:28.07 | FieldySnuts | it's a text console, use it like one |
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| 00:28.13 | cafuego | matroxfb works fine, has worked fine for years. |
| 00:28.17 | Wyzard | oops, typ |
| 00:28.17 | dan2 | http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/homestead/Countryside/Wcf13619b1f0d.htm |
| 00:28.19 | Wyzard | except vesa |
| 00:28.24 | Wyzard | and vga16, I guess |
| 00:28.35 | lazarus | Wyzard: mine is not vga16 or vesa |
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| 00:29.00 | peterS | Wyzard: also, offb seems to work fine with my GXT-2000P |
| 00:29.02 | RainbowW | anybody here familiar with wav-editing tools? in goldwave for windows, there's a feature that will auto-calculate marks based on silence, like pauses for breath. is there a tool with a similiar feature for linux? |
| 00:29.04 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: 80x25 text mode doesn't look very good on a 1024x768 LCD, either centered or stretched |
| 00:29.07 | Wyzard | lazarus: What do you use? |
| 00:29.22 | peterS | Wyzard: that's why God gave us svgatextmode |
| 00:29.29 | CompWizrd | my laptop handles 80x25 nicely :) |
| 00:29.35 | peterS | Wyzard: 1024x768 can do 128 columns by however many lines you want |
| 00:29.54 | lazarus | Wyzard: append="mem=128M video=aty128fb:1280x1024 hdc=ide-scsi" |
| 00:30.07 | Wyzard | peterS: Yes, that's why I use a framebuffer console... but I always get stuck having to use vesafb because the card-specific one doesn't work right |
| 00:30.08 | peterS | Wyzard: from 24 lines (with a 32-pixel font) to 96 lines (with an 8-pixel font) |
| 00:30.18 | peterS | Wyzard: svgatextmode doesn't use a fb |
| 00:30.44 | peterS | Wyzard: what card would that be, anyway? |
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| 00:31.25 | cafuego | fb mode 0x1BF is nice, though. |
| 00:31.37 | peterS | Wyzard: if it's a radeon mobility, svgatextmode doesn't support those, so you'd only get vga standard timings |
| 00:31.55 | Wyzard | peterS: At the moment, I'm using a Neomagic in a Thinkpad 600E |
| 00:32.17 | lazarus | yeah, stm is rather unsupported and unsupporting these days :( |
| 00:32.19 | Wyzard | neofb gives me a white rectangle and a hung system |
| 00:32.24 | peterS | Wyzard: I think most neomagics are supported by svgatextmode |
| 00:32.47 | GIBA | debian is not knoppix!!!! |
| 00:32.58 | GIBA | I don't think so |
| 00:33.01 | lazarus | i do wish someone would write stm Clocks lines for new hardware |
| 00:33.06 | FieldySnuts | it's not. it's in the topic. get over it. |
| 00:33.22 | akusarujin | i want to remove a package without removing anything that depends upon it, so on, and so on.. _just_ the single package.. is there any way to do this? |
| 00:33.24 | Wyzard | Shouldn't that be "Knoppix is not Debian" ? |
| 00:33.35 | Wyzard | though technically it's the same either way |
| 00:33.41 | cafuego | Wyzard: Neither are Gentoo. Maybe one is mepis? |
| 00:33.44 | lazarus | akusarujin: why? |
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| 00:34.00 | akusarujin | lazarus: because a package is causing some major problems and i'd like to remove it, then start over |
| 00:34.13 | lazarus | akusarujin: you promise to install it again immediately? |
| 00:34.19 | cafuego | as long as it's not libc6... |
| 00:34.49 | akusarujin | lazarus: libatk1.0-0 is giving me some bullshit errors, so i'd like to remove it, but when i try to it gripes about not being able to do it because of the gnome metapackage, and so on and so on, it's an annoying loop |
| 00:34.50 | lazarus | akusarujin: wave a dead chicken, then read the output from dpkg --force-help |
| 00:34.56 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 00:35.29 | lazarus | akusarujin: --forcee options of course are risky, etc |
| 00:36.08 | lazarus | akusarujin: dokg --purge it, and then apt-get --reinstall install it back |
| 00:36.15 | akusarujin | lazarus: yeah, i figured so, but if the package is going to come back around again it's no huge deal |
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| 00:36.32 | akusarujin | lazarus: i can't dpkg --purge it, either.. |
| 00:36.41 | lazarus | akusarujin: yeah, it's just that many in here want to purge something and don't understand dependencies exist for a reason, heh |
| 00:36.52 | lazarus | akusarujin: 00:34 <lazarus> akusarujin: wave a dead chicken, then read the output from dpkg --force-help |
| 00:36.57 | lazarus | akusarujin: yoou'll be able to |
| 00:37.12 | akusarujin | lazarus: yeah, i understand what you mean |
| 00:37.29 | lazarus | akusarujin: if that output isn't enough to tell you what to add, ,you really aren't yet suited for doing this |
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| 00:37.45 | akusarujin | lazarus: i've got it |
| 00:37.50 | lazarus | akusarujin: cool |
| 00:38.07 | lazarus | akusarujin: you still need the --purge btw |
| 00:38.12 | jbr | akusarujin: by the way, if libatk1.0-0 is misbehaving so badly, perhaps you could submit a bugreport? |
| 00:38.16 | RainbowW | anybody here familiar with wav-editing tools? in goldwave for windows, there's a feature that will auto-calculate marks based on silence, like pauses for breath. is there a tool with a similiar feature for linux? |
| 00:38.23 | RainbowW | anybody here familiar with wav-editing tools? in goldwave for windows, there's a feature that will auto-calculate marks based on silence, like pauses for breath. is there a tool with a similiar feature for linux? |
| 00:38.27 | RainbowW | grr sorry |
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| 00:39.12 | akusarujin | jbr: it's not doing this on any of my other systems, and the system i'm working on isn't mine. so i'm not really going to blame this directly on the package because i have no clue what this person has done with their system before me connecting to it |
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| 00:39.43 | js_ | how do i know which tty bash uses? |
| 00:39.50 | peterS | js_: type "tty" |
| 00:40.00 | lazarus | js_: you're kidding? |
| 00:40.20 | js_ | thanks peterS |
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| 00:45.27 | peterS | bleh |
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| 00:45.49 | vegan | hey all |
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| 00:46.01 | FsckIt | vegan: hey |
| 00:46.12 | vegan | :) |
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| 00:46.34 | vegan | I would like to install grub :) instead of lilo, how easy is this? |
| 00:46.55 | lazarus | why? |
| 00:46.57 | FsckIt | vegan: apt-get install grub, to begin with :-) |
| 00:47.11 | helix | vegan: supposedly pretty easy |
| 00:47.32 | FsckIt | helix: don't tell me you still use lilo? |
| 00:47.44 | helix | FsckIt: well, i don't reboot very often.. |
| 00:47.53 | helix | FsckIt: but i have grub on this laptop i was using |
| 00:47.56 | FsckIt | helix: good answer :-) |
| 00:47.57 | vegan | thanks :) |
| 00:48.11 | helix | vegan: anyway, install grub then read the documentation; it should be fairly straightforward |
| 00:48.17 | FsckIt | vegan: anyway.. it's not terribly hard.. just read the docs |
| 00:48.20 | FsckIt | heh |
| 00:48.29 | cafuego | vegan: it's dead easy; apt-get install grub; sbin/grub-install /dev/hda; /sbin/update-grub |
| 00:48.30 | lazarus | vegan: apt-get isntall grub-doc |
| 00:48.39 | vegan | ah ok neato |
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| 00:48.45 | vegan | thanks |
| 00:48.45 | cafuego | vegan: then simply tweak the grub cfg filein /boot/grub |
| 00:48.58 | FsckIt | menu.lst is the name |
| 00:49.10 | vegan | you guys are swell :) |
| 00:49.24 | cafuego | there's also a sample menu.lst in /usr/share/doc/grub/examples |
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| 00:49.47 | cafuego | vegan: No, we're elitist and nasty (sorry, but popular opinion counts) |
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| 00:50.12 | FsckIt | vegan: I was... but the swelling's gone down :-P |
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| 00:50.43 | cafuego | helix: you so are, you kick and ban people AND you shred people's backs |
| 00:51.07 | helix | yeah, but i smell like flowers |
| 00:51.13 | FsckIt | shred people's backs? haven't heard this story yet |
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| 00:51.21 | cafuego | stop drinking perfume then ;-) |
| 00:51.29 | helix | cafuego: anyway, i'm not the one that shreds peoples backs; that's bob2 |
| 00:51.34 | helix | i spank and flog |
| 00:51.42 | cafuego | FsckIt: She sometimes thinks she's a kitten and walks up people's backs using only her fingernails. |
| 00:51.51 | helix | !flog cafuego |
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| 00:51.58 | FsckIt | cafuego: you say that like it's a bad thing |
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| 00:52.21 | cafuego | FsckIt: I *have* kittens and *know* |
| 00:52.40 | cafuego | FsckIt: There's good pain and bad pain, claws in back if the latter. |
| 00:52.41 | mickeyks | yeah, i have a cat too, and it is a bad thing |
| 00:53.01 | echo | opinions on laptop purchase? Apple ibook or Some cheap intel laptop? |
| 00:53.13 | mickeyks | echo: you going to put linux on it? |
| 00:53.14 | FsckIt | echo: iBook.. definitely |
| 00:53.19 | helix | ibook |
| 00:53.20 | echo | mickeyks: Yeah probably |
| 00:53.23 | lazarus | echo: debian-compatible |
| 00:53.24 | helix | with debian, of course |
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| 00:53.38 | echo | does everything work in debian PPC on the ibook |
| 00:53.43 | helix | cafuego: do you know if you're going to brazil yet? |
| 00:53.45 | cis | how can I uninstall LILO from boot |
| 00:53.48 | cis | ? |
| 00:53.51 | cafuego | echo: My HP nx9005 was dirt cheap and runs Debian very well. It's not intel, to boot. |
| 00:53.58 | lazarus | cis: man lilo |
| 00:54.00 | cafuego | helix: Nope... |
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| 00:54.20 | helix | cafuego: ah.. well, when you find out, i require a few more things from there. you should consider buying them for me. :) |
| 00:54.20 | mickeyks | cis: apt-get remove lilo might help |
| 00:54.28 | cafuego | echo: Dell is shit, but their 3yr warranty is great. |
| 00:54.42 | lazarus | mickeyks: no, that's the package, not the bootloader |
| 00:54.43 | FsckIt | echo: IIRC, most everything worked relatively ok, except, um, the modem, I think? I'm using OS X, now. |
| 00:54.44 | cafuego | helix: Out of prawn spitit already? |
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| 00:54.54 | helix | cafuego: i don't speak australian |
| 00:54.55 | echo | FsckIt: do you use fink? |
| 00:55.02 | FsckIt | echo: yes |
| 00:55.08 | cafuego | helix: booze made with shrimp |
| 00:55.09 | helix | cafuego: anyway, i need a few more cds's. they're pretty cheap there but cost a lot of money here. |
| 00:55.17 | echo | FsckIt: but like ethernet, video, sound, wireless, all that work in Linux? |
| 00:55.22 | helix | umm, cd's |
| 00:55.24 | FsckIt | cis: you really don't uninstall LILO.. you just install something else over it |
| 00:55.28 | cafuego | helix: <heh> |
| 00:55.40 | mickeyks | lazarus: removing the package and then installing grub won't solve his problem? |
| 00:55.41 | lazarus | cis: man lilo tells how |
| 00:55.43 | cafuego | helix: Well, maybe... but I will probably have to buy them at the airport. |
| 00:55.50 | helix | cafuego: anyway, i think the AU dollar goes pretty far over there |
| 00:55.52 | helix | ah |
| 00:55.52 | cafuego | Dunno if they're still cheaper there. |
| 00:55.55 | lazarus | mickeyks: not if he wants to uuninstall lilo |
| 00:55.58 | FsckIt | echo: ethernet was fine, so was video (got X running, I believe).. it was either sound or modem that had an issue.. and I didn't have the wireless card at the time |
| 00:56.07 | cis | (return to old mickeyks: I want to uninstall lilo from boot. I don't want uninstall lilo program from linux |
| 00:56.12 | FsckIt | echo: just a sec.. lemme see if I can find some more info for you.. ok? |
| 00:56.14 | helix | cafuego: i dunno if they even have music stores in the SP airport - they have a lot of shops but i don't recall seeing one for music |
| 00:56.18 | lazarus | cis: man lilo tells how |
| 00:56.24 | cafuego | helix: Yeah, it's about 1:5 - and stuff there (well, at the hotel anyway) is only half price to begin with. |
| 00:56.30 | cis | mickeyks: I want to uninstall lilo from boot. I don't want uninstall lilo program from linux |
| 00:56.34 | vegan | thanks guys! |
| 00:56.34 | echo | FsckIt: did you ever try (MOL) Mac On Linux? |
| 00:56.49 | lazarus | cis: wtf man lilo tells how |
| 00:56.49 | mickeyks | cis: then lazarus has the right idea :) |
| 00:56.50 | helix | cafuego: wow, that big of a difference? for US$ it was about 1:3, euros were about 1:4 |
| 00:56.52 | cafuego | helix: Dunno either, I bought a carton of smokes and a litre of booze and pissed off to the airline lounge |
| 00:57.00 | helix | cafuego: heh |
| 00:57.10 | cafuego | helix: 1:3 in reals? |
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| 00:57.13 | helix | cafuego: SP has some pretty nice shops.. but anyway, if that's all you'll see, nevermind. :) |
| 00:57.30 | cafuego | helix: The aussie dollar is only 55 eurocents... |
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| 00:57.33 | lazarus | echo: wstick with the non-proprietary |
| 00:57.35 | helix | cafuego: yeah, i guess so; maybe i'm confused |
| 00:57.44 | helix | cafuego: all i know is that the US$ is worth 3x as much there |
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| 00:57.58 | lazarus | echo: if you instist on dualbooting, bsds exist for that |
| 00:58.00 | cis | I want to return to old boot menager |
| 00:58.11 | lazarus | cis: man lilo tells how |
| 00:58.17 | echo | lazarus: non-proprietary hardware or software? |
| 00:58.21 | helix | cis: i'm sort of getting the impression that you have no idea what you want - that, or you're not explaining yourself very well |
| 00:58.21 | cafuego | helix: Well, the HQ of where I would be working isn't really in a shopping area and they do discourage wandering about after dark, which is when work would finish. |
| 00:58.22 | FsckIt | echo: http://www.hispalinux.es/~data/ibook/ |
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| 00:58.32 | lazarus | echo: i meant software, ,but both if yu can |
| 00:58.34 | helix | cafuego: ah, bummer.. |
| 00:58.42 | cafuego | helix: it's more likely that when work finishes I'll be in a taxi to the airport and off home again. |
| 00:58.57 | helix | cafuego: the cd's, if bought here, would be worth about R$75 or so |
| 00:58.58 | cafuego | Mind you, cds might be cheaper in Santiago anyway |
| 00:59.03 | helix | cafuego: yeah, bummer |
| 00:59.04 | lazarus | cis: will you fscking READ the man page for lilo already? |
| 00:59.19 | echo | FsckIt: I wonder if the G4 is much different. |
| 00:59.27 | cafuego | but then, santiago has wifi so i might be distracted :-) |
| 00:59.37 | helix | heh |
| 00:59.43 | FsckIt | echo: no, I didn't try MOL.. when I got the laptop, I set it up for dual-boot, then used it for a month or two.. turned out that I spent nearly all my time in OS X.. so, I just wiped Debian off it after a while |
| 00:59.46 | helix | i recall SP having it as well but i think you had to pay for it |
| 01:00.01 | echo | FsckIt: I don't see myself doing that personally |
| 01:00.04 | cafuego | echo: We have MOL on the G3/350 here; runs absolutely fine. |
| 01:00.11 | helix | i got a signal but i couldn't connect to anything.. bastards |
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| 01:00.51 | FsckIt | echo: http://seb.france.free.fr/linux/ibookG4/iBookG4-howto.html |
| 01:01.02 | FsckIt | echo: doing what? using OS X mostly? |
| 01:01.06 | cafuego | I wonder if another trip to SP would bump me up to gold level |
| 01:01.22 | echo | FsckIt: yeah, I'm pretty die hard debian KDE. |
| 01:01.57 | taken | have some debian maintainers channels? |
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| 01:02.04 | taken | channels/channel |
| 01:02.41 | FsckIt | echo: I never was really into kde or gnome.. when they first started, my general response was that if I wanted to run something that looked and acted like Windows, I'd run Windows |
| 01:02.52 | mickeyks | me 2 |
| 01:03.07 | beth | thanks lazarus, I really care |
| 01:03.09 | cafuego | FsckIt: me too, I did since find out KDE3.2 isn't like windows, it tends to not crash :-) |
| 01:03.22 | FsckIt | echo: I do realise that they've matured a bit since then.. but still |
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| 01:03.34 | x|e | i am trying to mount my windows hard drive it is ntfs filesystem with this command 'mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/hdb /mnt/ntfs' but it wont mount it tells me thismount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb, or too many mounted file systems my kernel has ntfs support what am i doing wrong? |
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| 01:03.57 | helix | FsckIt: so what god awful wm do you use? :) |
| 01:03.58 | taken | if u don't like anything on GPL, change it, and send me :P |
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| 01:04.04 | cafuego | x|e: You undoubtedly want /dev/hdb1 |
| 01:04.04 | FsckIt | cafuego: actually, a well-maintained installation of Win2k tends to not crash either |
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| 01:04.05 | helix | !u |
| 01:04.05 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 |
| 01:04.12 | FsckIt | helix: Aqua |
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| 01:04.20 | x|e | cafuego, i get same statement |
| 01:04.22 | helix | oh |
| 01:04.31 | FsckIt | helix: (scroll up to where I said I run OS X) |
| 01:04.35 | mickeyks | u is easier to type though |
| 01:04.39 | x|e | emm |
| 01:04.47 | x|e | a little different statement actually |
| 01:04.51 | FsckIt | helix: however, I do use KDE on my work machine... |
| 01:04.52 | lazarus | mickeyks: s w t i n e f n s e |
| 01:05.04 | Zap-W | at boot time in grub how do i switch from menu to normal grub : syntax..... |
| 01:05.06 | peterS | FsckIt: 0/2 |
| 01:05.12 | x|e | says wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, or too many mounted file systems (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition, instead of some logical partition inside?) |
| 01:05.18 | mickeyks | lazarus: sorry, i don't get it |
| 01:05.27 | lazarus | mickeyks: exactly |
| 01:05.32 | FsckIt | peterS: what score is that? |
| 01:05.37 | lazarus | mickeyks: so what that is no excuse for not speaking english |
| 01:05.43 | Zap-W | i set the wrong root device in menu.lst |
| 01:05.45 | peterS | FsckIt: 0 for running OS X, 0 for running KDE |
| 01:05.48 | mickeyks | lazarus: however, when someone uses u instead of you, i get it 100% of the time |
| 01:05.52 | helix | heh |
| 01:05.53 | Zap-W | now i need to manually tell grub to boot the right root |
| 01:05.55 | helix | !lose FsckIt |
| 01:05.56 | dpkg | FsckIt: You Lose. |
| 01:05.57 | Zap-W | arrshh |
| 01:06.02 | lazarus | mickeyks: learn to communnicate in the language of the channel |
| 01:06.12 | FsckIt | helix: IHL. HAND. |
| 01:06.32 | helix | lazarus: stop being so rude to everyone |
| 01:06.33 | mickeyks | lazarus: i wasn't the one using "u." But i guess I'll defend other people whenever the fuck I feel like it. |
| 01:06.34 | helix | jesus christ |
| 01:06.35 | beth | helix: oh, he just had dpkg complain to me about my nick |
| 01:06.35 | FsckIt | peterS: what would the the "correct" choices, then? |
| 01:06.37 | x|e | cafuego: any ideas why? |
| 01:06.41 | lazarus | helix: WHAT? |
| 01:06.44 | helix | beth: he complains about everything |
| 01:06.48 | beth | so I see |
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| 01:06.54 | helix | lazarus: you have been rude to half of the channel in the span of a few hours. stop. |
| 01:07.03 | FsckIt | helix: I don't think he's back yet |
| 01:07.05 | peterS | FsckIt: pretty much non-KDE |
| 01:07.10 | IceDC571 | okay so i did a make menu config to make modules install.. but now how would I boot into the new kernel I just compiled? |
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| 01:07.28 | FsckIt | peterS: why? because KDE isn't hard-core enough or something? |
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| 01:07.41 | peterS | FsckIt: well, mostly the Fisher-Price thing, I guess |
| 01:07.46 | beth | IceDC571: you have to tell your bootloader to use the new kernel. This may mean you edit lilo.conf and run lilo, or perhaps edit menu.lst (for grub) |
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| 01:08.03 | beth | but that depends on your particular setup. If you use kp that's usually taken care of for you |
| 01:08.10 | IceDC571 | beth, ive tried editing menu.lst but i simply dont know what lines to add |
| 01:08.18 | FsckIt | peterS: well, I've also ran ratpoison, ion, and emacs as window managers... *shrug* |
| 01:08.40 | andycb | ive already asked this in #apache, but noone is replying.. im having problems with what i guess are apache mime types.. http://quistis.homelinux.com/ instead of parsing the php file it wants you to download it, does anybody know why? |
| 01:09.09 | FsckIt | peterS: besides, the Fisher-Price thing is definitely XP |
| 01:09.19 | peterS | FsckIt: yeah, if you used XP you'd be 0 for 3 |
| 01:09.25 | helix | heh |
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| 01:09.32 | Zap-W | blat |
| 01:09.36 | Zap-W | at boot time in grub how do i switch from menu to normal grub : syntax..... set the wrong root device in menu.lst now i need to manually tell grub to boot the right root |
| 01:09.38 | helix | FsckIt: you don't improve just by comparing yourself to the worst. |
| 01:09.38 | FsckIt | peterS: I did at my last job, when I was doing .NET development. |
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| 01:11.17 | beth | Zap-W: as the screen tells you, you hit 'e' to edit |
| 01:11.21 | peterS | FsckIt: keep digging |
| 01:11.24 | FsckIt | helix: you were just a minute ago saying that pretty much everything except kde and gnome is "god-awful" |
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| 01:11.51 | FsckIt | peterS: I figured you would get a kick out of that one ;-) |
| 01:12.01 | beth | IceDC571: the grub docs will help you. The easiest way to handle this is to just change the symlinks to point to the new kernel(s) |
| 01:12.05 | helix | FsckIt: i was joking about all of these things. anyway, many people who hate KDE et al use ugly shit like wmaker |
| 01:12.16 | FsckIt | helix: I like wmaker |
| 01:12.17 | beth | ew yeah wm sucks |
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| 01:12.27 | helix | yucky |
| 01:12.33 | dafen | a question regarding grub |
| 01:12.43 | dafen | I did : |
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| 01:12.43 | The_Vulture | helix: I use perfectly non-ugly (non-anything much at all) shit, like BlackBox :) (and I don't hate KDE, I just don't have a particular desire to use it) |
| 01:12.53 | x|e | when trying to mount my ntfs drive i get this error 'wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1, or too many mounted file systems (aren't you trying to mount an extended partition, instead of some logical partition inside?)' |
| 01:12.54 | dafen | grub> root (hd1,2) |
| 01:12.56 | dafen | setup (hd1,2) |
| 01:12.58 | helix | The_Vulture: yeah, i use openbox |
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| 01:13.00 | peterS | wmaker is one more piece of evidence for the theory that no oddball-looking windowing environment will *ever* run out of partisans |
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| 01:13.09 | dafen | then a dd if=/dev/hdb3 of=bootsect bs=512 count=1 |
| 01:13.15 | dafen | but when I use nt loader to load it |
| 01:13.21 | dafen | it only displays GRUB |
| 01:13.25 | dafen | then froze |
| 01:13.32 | dafen | anyhone know y? |
| 01:13.57 | jbr | xle: so what does "fdisk -l" say about this extended partition stuff? |
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| 01:14.03 | FsckIt | helix: anyway.. it doesn't really make a difference.. I've run all kinds of window managers before.. *shrug* |
| 01:14.16 | x|e | jbr: no output |
| 01:14.43 | peterS | FsckIt: and yet you settle for My First Computer and My First Linux Computer |
| 01:15.00 | FsckIt | peterS: which one was OS X, again? |
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| 01:15.13 | peterS | FsckIt: well, it's not Linux, so see if you can figure it out by process of elimination |
| 01:15.48 | FsckIt | peterS: um, let's see.. C) none of the above? ;-) |
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| 01:16.16 | peterS | FsckIt: well, if (c) were an option, you could pick it, yeah |
| 01:16.30 | IceDC571 | pshh like i know where my new kernel is |
| 01:16.32 | IceDC571 | lol |
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| 01:17.37 | bsims | how do I add a class to tex? |
| 01:17.37 | peterS | FsckIt: you're an engineer? |
| 01:17.41 | x|e | any reason 'fdisk -l' wouldnt give me an output? |
| 01:17.42 | IceDC571 | some tutorial told me to make a bzImage.new and I dont know what the hell to do with it |
| 01:17.49 | FsckIt | peterS: heh |
| 01:18.10 | bsims | join #debian-devel |
| 01:18.14 | bsims | damn |
| 01:18.14 | FsckIt | peterS: anyway.. so what magically wonderful window manager do you use? |
| 01:18.14 | sgeigerbot | If I set up a linux bridge, *CAN* I make the bridging machine have an IP address? I have desktop machine, the machine that would bridge, and I want to plug a laptop into it (via a USB host-to-host cable), and I want my laptop to seem as if it connected directly to the LAN the desktop is on. Anyone understand? |
| 01:18.21 | jbr | xle: you don't exist? mystifies me. |
| 01:18.27 | peterS | FsckIt: I mostly don't. I spend most of my time in a text console |
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| 01:18.38 | x|e | jbr: lol i guess not |
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| 01:18.48 | x|e | jbr: but i gotten no output |
| 01:19.00 | x|e | god:~# fdisk -l |
| 01:19.00 | x|e | god:~# |
| 01:19.01 | peterS | FsckIt: when I do switch to X, it's sawfish with the default theme and not much customisation |
| 01:19.22 | The_Vulture | sgeigerbot: I get what you mean, no idea if it can be done, generally I'd be thinking of NATing in that sort of scenario.. I could be wrong |
| 01:19.25 | FsckIt | peterS: I did that for the longest time, too.. and Terminal is definitely the most used program on this machine (followed by gnus in emacs, and FireFox) |
| 01:19.36 | peterS | sgeigerbot: I think you can do that, yeah |
| 01:19.41 | FsckIt | peterS: ran sawfish for quite a while, too |
| 01:20.38 | IceDC571 | whats the default for usb mice in /dev/? |
| 01:20.43 | peterS | IceDC571: /dev/input/mice |
| 01:21.27 | IceDC571 | hmm |
| 01:21.50 | FsckIt | peterS: I've also gone the other direction, and used some crazy themes in enlightenment... |
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| 01:22.34 | peterS | FsckIt: I tried E once. years ago. on a machine that wasn't beefy enough for it. it did some really weird stuff and wouldn't run properly |
| 01:23.00 | peterS | FsckIt: so I'm not sure if I even know what it's *supposed* to look like. but anyway, I was pretty thoroughly scared away from it |
| 01:23.29 | mickeyks | beth: what kind of configs did you make in fluxbox? |
| 01:23.30 | jbr | xle: maybe you're another case of http://bugs.debian.org/149219 ? |
| 01:23.50 | beth | mickeyks: changed colors and stuff. It's very minimalistic |
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| 01:24.11 | beth | mickeyks: I can put the style file somewhere if you want to try it |
| 01:24.13 | helix | peterS: it looks pretty fucked up and stupid |
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| 01:24.20 | helix | imho ;) |
| 01:24.22 | symba | how can i run vhost i have it |
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| 01:24.33 | mickeyks | beth: if you put it, i will try it, why not :) |
| 01:24.34 | peterS | helix: I have no trouble believing you |
| 01:24.38 | beth | ok, hang on |
| 01:24.39 | x|e | jbr: i did fdisk -l /dev/hdb and it worked |
| 01:24.50 | beth | E is fun |
| 01:25.04 | beth | especially if you like eye candy. But it's also just a good wm. |
| 01:25.09 | x|e | i got it mounted also |
| 01:25.16 | symba | how can i setup a vhost |
| 01:25.18 | FsckIt | peterS: well, I apparently was on a beefier machine or something.. |
| 01:25.18 | symba | anyone? |
| 01:25.21 | helix | i must have missed the "eye candy" part of it |
| 01:25.21 | mickeyks | beth: just be sure to take 3HTP in the morning |
| 01:25.28 | mickeyks | er, 5HTP |
| 01:25.36 | beth | ? |
| 01:25.36 | FsckIt | peterS: although the "it did some really weird stuff" is about right |
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| 01:25.52 | helix | maybe it's screenshot time |
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| 01:26.02 | mickeyks | beth: it helps you recover from that other kind of E |
| 01:26.03 | peterS | helix: noooooooo |
| 01:26.06 | pbx06 | My MTA mail-box is full of mails files and a lot of them are spam . how can i read mails that are only from last week max old ? |
| 01:26.10 | helix | peterS: yeah! |
| 01:26.14 | beth | http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~beth/mudpuppy_fluxbox_style.txt |
| 01:26.14 | helix | peterS: you can participate as well |
| 01:26.16 | peterS | FsckIt: who knows, it could have just been my setup. I think the X server was a bit funky because of a barely-supported graphics driver |
| 01:26.21 | sgeigerbot | peterS: Damn! You know what...I think what I want to do could be easily accomplished with a couple of route statements. IDon't you think so? |
| 01:26.28 | mickeyks | helix: what screenshot app do you use? |
| 01:26.30 | peterS | sgeigerbot: hard to say |
| 01:26.34 | helix | mickeyks: import |
| 01:26.55 | beth | helix: you missed the eye candy? Like the built-in rippling water effect? |
| 01:26.55 | mickeyks | er |
| 01:26.57 | sgeigerbot | peterS: At least for outgoing connections, it seems to me. |
| 01:27.00 | helix | wtf |
| 01:27.04 | helix | are you kidding? |
| 01:27.19 | peterS | helix: that's like the whole point of E, to do effects you haven't seen before in a window manager |
| 01:27.20 | sgeigerbot | beth: are we talking Xterms again? |
| 01:27.22 | helix | mickeyks: try typing import -window root blah.jpg at a prompt |
| 01:27.25 | peterS | helix: never mind, of course, if they are useful |
| 01:27.30 | beth | I have a screenshot of my theme somewhere, hang on |
| 01:27.34 | helix | peterS: oh. i guess i missed all of that. |
| 01:27.45 | mickeyks | helix: i don't have import as a command |
| 01:27.50 | jbr | pbx06: sort them with package "grepmail"? |
| 01:28.05 | peterS | mickeyks: did she mention, also install imagemagick |
| 01:28.15 | helix | yeah, you need imagemagick.. |
| 01:28.22 | mickeyks | peterS: oh, i must have missed that item |
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| 01:29.07 | sgeigerbot | Ooh mickeyks, you're so fine. You're so fine, you blow my mind. Hey, mickeyks! Hey, mickeyks! |
| 01:29.08 | FsckIt | sgeigerbot: no.. at the bottom of the screen, E did a rippling water effect |
| 01:29.20 | Kempston| | how do install php zip extension ? |
| 01:29.22 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: i like you too |
| 01:29.43 | peterS | mickeyks: sgeigerbot is actually a parakeet |
| 01:29.51 | FsckIt | beth: that was, what, E14? |
| 01:30.06 | beth | http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~beth/mudpuppy_fluxbox_screenshot.png |
| 01:30.14 | beth | FsckIt: last year or so, I guess that's 16? |
| 01:30.19 | FsckIt | there was one version.. I think it was 14, might have been 15, where they went and made it suck |
| 01:30.32 | FsckIt | beth: oh, no .. it was doing that before 2001 |
| 01:30.35 | mickeyks | peterS: i thought he was an .emacs file |
| 01:30.38 | peterS | posting screen shots is the slightly more sophisticated version of posting images of your kewl case mods |
| 01:31.11 | peterS | "look, my PC case has neon lights outlining the CD-ROM drive" |
| 01:31.13 | beth | FsckIt: I just meant, that was the version of E that I used |
| 01:31.15 | FsckIt | beth: or at the very latest, before mid-2001 |
| 01:31.22 | jbr | peterS: one of these days I'll post a screenshot of my fvwm desktop as a 16x16 xpm |
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| 01:31.26 | beth | peterS: somebody asked me about my theme, dammit! |
| 01:31.34 | peterS | beth: I'm just sayin', in general |
| 01:31.35 | FsckIt | beth: oh.. ok, I used enlightenment 13 and 14, I think.. |
| 01:31.57 | peterS | beth: if it's by request, then you can't be held at fault for all of the lameness involved, only some of it (: |
| 01:32.00 | FsckIt | beth: sometime around 1998 or 1999. |
| 01:32.08 | beth | peterS: :P |
| 01:32.16 | mickeyks | beth: er, isn't that just four xterm windows? |
| 01:32.33 | beth | mickeyks: five. But the point is the theme |
| 01:32.38 | beth | as I said, it's minimalistic |
| 01:32.47 | beth | note the green for the focused window |
| 01:32.54 | beth | note the clock in the bottom right |
| 01:33.02 | beth | note the lack of anything else |
| 01:33.07 | beth | it took me a long time to strip it down! :) |
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| 01:34.24 | kjoonlee | Has anyone had problems with the xcursor disappearing lately? |
| 01:34.27 | helix | http://cytosine.org/~helix/helix.jpg |
| 01:34.30 | helix | there's mine |
| 01:34.47 | FsckIt | beth: ok, I looked.. it was E16 where stuff started to suck (16.0 was released in 2000) |
| 01:34.53 | helix | hm, not as bright in the jpg as it really is |
| 01:35.06 | FsckIt | beth: E13-15 was really cool |
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| 01:35.42 | beth | eww jmp |
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| 01:35.54 | beth | s/jmp/jpg/ # I can't type |
| 01:36.08 | helix | beth: yeah, but png's are usually monstrous |
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| 01:36.21 | FsckIt | helix: man pngcrush |
| 01:36.32 | mickeyks | helix: is that mutt? |
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| 01:36.39 | helix | mickeyks: yeah |
| 01:36.44 | beth | helix: actually, for screenshots pngs are a lot smaller |
| 01:36.47 | beth | try it and see |
| 01:36.49 | The_Vulture | ; |
| 01:36.58 | mickeyks | helix: what mta do you use? |
| 01:37.36 | The_Vulture | helix: threads going backwards (I guess you just hve most recent at the top instead of the bottom) weird me out.. |
| 01:37.41 | beth | for me, the jpg is 3x larger than the png |
| 01:37.42 | dondelelcaro | beth: depends a bit what's on your screen... |
| 01:37.51 | Kempston| | how do install php zip extension ? |
| 01:37.57 | helix | ah, the png is much higher quality |
| 01:38.03 | peterS | helix: duh |
| 01:38.06 | helix | so s/jpg/png/ and.. |
| 01:38.09 | helix | peterS: :P |
| 01:38.19 | helix | mickeyks: postfix |
| 01:38.20 | stew | both jpg and png are of adjutable quality you can make either worse |
| 01:38.48 | peterS | stew: wtf? how is jpeg quality anywhere near png quality, except on extreme non-default settings? |
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| 01:39.10 | simonrvn | [146.82.138.6]:57365 I=[66.11.161.129]:25 P=esmtp S=5350 id=Xz8gRB.A.TZH.e5lyAB@murphy T="Debian AMD64 Port Ready" from |
| 01:39.14 | simonrvn | <bounce-debian-devel-announce=simon=nuit.ca@lists.debian.org> |
| 01:39.30 | simonrvn | "this just in" |
| 01:39.31 | peterS | simonrvn: .. |
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| 01:39.48 | peterS | simonrvn: have they figured out a name for the port, then? |
| 01:40.01 | simonrvn | dunno, lemme check |
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| 01:40.06 | beth | dondelelcaro: if what's on your screen is a giant photo, sure, but as a general rule most screenshots I take do a lot better as PNGs |
| 01:40.07 | helix | heh |
| 01:40.19 | peterS | simonrvn: the subject line would seem to imply that they're calling it AMD64 |
| 01:40.29 | beth | stew: yes, but the PNG's compression isn't lossy |
| 01:40.43 | stew | i'm totally wron and totally sorry |
| 01:40.48 | helix | The_Vulture: i just hate having to scroll down to the end for new messages |
| 01:40.59 | dondelelcaro | beth: like the giant photo that's your background pic? ;-) |
| 01:41.06 | peterS | helix: uh, that's what the <tab> and <end> keys are for (: |
| 01:41.16 | simonrvn | The port is currently at 97% compiled with |
| 01:41.22 | beth | dondelelcaro: ew, you have a photo as your background pic? :) |
| 01:41.28 | The_Vulture | helix: mine just goes to the end by default.. I think.. |
| 01:41.38 | helix | peterS: i know |
| 01:41.41 | dondelelcaro | beth: it's actually a drawing... but it's sufficiently non-blocky to be a photo... |
| 01:41.45 | beth | (actually most screenshots I take are not full-screen show-off-my-background shots, but rather webpages, etc) |
| 01:41.46 | helix | but it's easier to see all the new messages right away |
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| 01:42.21 | simonrvn | peterS: looks like just 'amd64' |
| 01:42.34 | peterS | simonrvn: that's what I would have voted for in any case |
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| 01:42.49 | simonrvn | me too. not like it's hard ;P |
| 01:43.01 | peterS | simonrvn: I wonder if any amd64 motherboards have snd-intel8x0 compatible audio chips on them (: |
| 01:43.16 | mickeyks | q |
| 01:43.17 | dondelelcaro | beth: http://www.ice.org/unzipped/2002/09/dh-demon_tag.jpg |
| 01:43.37 | simonrvn | peterS: dunno. i guess check them out somewhere |
| 01:43.49 | beth | dondelelcaro: two monitors? |
| 01:43.50 | helix | oooh |
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| 01:43.59 | dondelelcaro | beth: yeah... |
| 01:44.02 | helix | dondelelcaro needs a 5 monitor wallpaper |
| 01:44.20 | dondelelcaro | beth: http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/ss_20040429221006.png FE |
| 01:44.24 | cef | heya helix |
| 01:44.31 | Seibol | anyone know how if there is a book out there that can tell me how the kernel works, without having to know any programmin ie C....english stuff |
| 01:44.56 | Seibol | I don't want to write code for it I just want to know how it work |
| 01:44.57 | Seibol | s |
| 01:45.07 | peterS | Seibol: if you aren't a programmer, what kind of information do you want about how the kernel works? |
| 01:45.11 | peterS | Seibol: I'm confused |
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| 01:45.26 | dondelelcaro | beth: or http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/don_lab/015_lab_desk_10232003.jpg |
| 01:45.45 | Seibol | well theory on why certian items/options are in the kernel when u compile |
| 01:45.55 | mickeyks | Seibol: o'reilly has a book out called "understanding the linux kernel," but i bet it assumes some knowledge of C |
| 01:45.55 | Seibol | more in depth than what you get in the lil help screen |
| 01:45.56 | simonrvn | i have 2 years' worth of catching up to do =) |
| 01:46.04 | dondelelcaro | Seibol: most of that is in the documentation... |
| 01:46.04 | Seibol | hmm |
| 01:46.16 | helix | i think we should start a fund to get dondelelcaro lasik surgery |
| 01:46.21 | dondelelcaro | (read: most of it is defined in the kernel) |
| 01:46.29 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: that's a lab which sees some work |
| 01:46.29 | Seibol | I wish I had osmosis, then I would just sleep on some C books and I would know it in the morning |
| 01:46.55 | dondelelcaro | helix: heh. I probably won't get lasik for a long time... there haven't been enough long term studies of it for me to be happy with it... |
| 01:47.04 | Seibol | Programming just kicks my ass, it doesn't compute |
| 01:47.13 | helix | dondelelcaro: well, it might take that long for enough people to contribute to the fund.. :) |
| 01:47.24 | dondelelcaro | helix: heh. true, true... |
| 01:47.42 | Zap-W | shouldn't the addresses of the machines in an internal LAN behind a router/box that is doing NAT supposed to be invisible to the outside? |
| 01:47.55 | peterS | Zap-W: depends on what you mean by "invisible" |
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| 01:48.02 | simonrvn | Zap-W: yes. and you may have to make some iptables rules to help do that |
| 01:48.03 | peterS | Zap-W: the address doesn't appear in outgoing IP headers |
| 01:48.25 | peterS | Zap-W: but there are plenty of protocols on top of IP that embed IP addresses in them |
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| 01:49.02 | peterS | Zap-W: FTP, cu-seeme, quake, DCC, for example |
| 01:49.07 | Zap-W | peterS, because in ICQ , i can see the internal IP 192.168.0.2 of a box that is behind a router doing NAT with 80.179....outside IP |
| 01:49.20 | Zap-W | licq |
| 01:49.40 | peterS | Zap-W: I have never studied the protocol used by the icq network |
| 01:49.47 | peterS | Zap-W: so I don't know if it embeds IP addresses or not |
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| 01:50.34 | Zap-W | dosen't the IP header get bloated if it needs to embed these IPs |
| 01:50.35 | x|e | ok now.. i have an extra 40 gigs on my hard disk.. is there a way i can partition that without reinstalling my system and then mount it? |
| 01:50.42 | dondelelcaro | Zap-W: it's not like it should be a big deal anyway... any proper firewall setup shouldn't be affected by someone knowing the internal addresses. |
| 01:51.04 | peterS | x|e: you will probably have to reboot after adding a partition, since the rest of the drive is in use |
| 01:51.19 | dondelelcaro | I mean, odds are really high that the internal address is 192.168.0.2 or 192.168.0.10. |
| 01:51.24 | peterS | x|e: so, run cfdisk, add your partition to the empty space, then write the changes, and it will probably warn you to reboot |
| 01:51.33 | peterS | x|e: so then reboot, and make your filesystem, and mount it |
| 01:51.34 | Seibol | anyone run the apt doom packages? |
| 01:51.41 | x|e | ok thanks peterS |
| 01:51.53 | FsckIt | peterS: I think he means as part of an existing filesystem |
| 01:52.01 | peterS | FsckIt: oh? hmmm |
| 01:52.15 | peterS | FsckIt: certainly not what he asked |
| 01:52.16 | FsckIt | peterS: i.e. / is say, 50 GB, with 10 used, or something |
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| 01:52.36 | Zap-W | dondelelcaro, yea, but still in that way you can tell exactly what these boxes are doing |
| 01:52.36 | peterS | FsckIt: ahhh - so he meant, shrink an existing partition and make a new one from the space |
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| 01:52.55 | FsckIt | peterS: I think.. let's ask him |
| 01:53.17 | FsckIt | is he still around? |
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| 01:53.58 | Zap-W | godamn drank too much coffe now i cant sleep |
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| 01:54.12 | peterS | x|e: FsckIt brought up a good point. do you currently have that extra space on your drive tied up in existing filesystems, or is it just unpartitioned space? this makes a big difference |
| 01:54.26 | Seibol | when I run apt-get install kernel-doc-2.6.6, where does it install it? |
| 01:54.52 | mentor | peterS: No, it's working today. |
| 01:54.55 | peterS | Seibol: when in doubt, run "dpkg -L kernel-doc-2.6.6" after installing |
| 01:55.03 | x|e | peterS: it is free space |
| 01:55.07 | Seibol | thank you |
| 01:55.48 | x|e | peterS, how do i set it to ext3 filesystem? |
| 01:55.59 | Seibol | the answer is "/usr/share/doc" |
| 01:56.01 | Seibol | thanks again |
| 01:56.10 | Seibol | I will take my n00b ass and leave now |
| 01:56.13 | peterS | x|e: after you have added the partition, and rebooted, use 'mke2fs -j' |
| 01:56.24 | x|e | on hda11? |
| 01:56.26 | peterS | x|e: that makes an ext3 filesystem on your new partition |
| 01:56.30 | peterS | x|e: yeah |
| 01:56.32 | x|e | ok |
| 01:56.40 | x|e | so mke2fs -j /dev/hda11 |
| 01:56.48 | x|e | ? |
| 01:56.53 | peterS | x|e: right |
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| 01:57.02 | peterS | x|e: the -j means ext3 rather than ext2, btw. |
| 01:57.08 | x|e | ok thank you |
| 01:58.50 | x|e | peterS, can i mount it to any mountpoint i decide in the file /etc/fstab? |
| 01:59.03 | peterS | x|e: yeah. you have to create the directory for the mountpoint before mounting it |
| 01:59.11 | peterS | x|e: but where you mount it really is up to you |
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| 01:59.30 | x|e | ok thank you peterS |
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| 02:03.06 | zakame | hello again guys! |
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| 02:03.18 | peterS | !greet zakame |
| 02:03.36 | zakame | I still haven't solved that mozilla geometry problem... |
| 02:03.39 | x|e | peterS: can i use a mount point like /home/username for that new partition i just made? |
| 02:04.11 | peterS | x|e: sure. 'mkdir /home/username' of course, and then add a line to fstab like: /dev/hda11 /home/username ext3 defaults 0 2 |
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| 02:04.20 | zakame | should I post a bugreport about it on debpkg mozilla or to upstream? |
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| 02:04.35 | peterS | zakame: what's the nature of the problem? |
| 02:04.59 | nacky | lookin for a good irc daemon.. but it has to have a web-based interface for those that can't use a irc client but just a web browser. any suggestions? |
| 02:05.30 | zakame | peterS, I tried doing mozilla -width 640 -height 480 on the pty as documented in man mozilla, but it doesn't work... |
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| 02:05.54 | peterS | zakame: and the usual option "-geometry 640x480" doesn't work either? |
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| 02:06.00 | peterS | zakame: that's how you control these things in most apps, you know |
| 02:07.53 | zakame | peterS, tried -geometry, also doesn't work. |
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| 02:08.12 | peterS | zakame: so, what, does mozilla just completely ignore these things, or give an error, or what? |
| 02:08.38 | FsckIt | peterS: just the ones that are written in xlib |
| 02:08.53 | peterS | FsckIt: nah, I think it's actually parsed by Xt |
| 02:09.00 | FsckIt | peterS: (or otherwise use the xlib call) |
| 02:09.04 | peterS | FsckIt: in any case, a lot of non-Xt apps follow that convention too |
| 02:09.38 | x|e | peterS, kde is giving me errors about that drive when i try to log into the username.. could that be because it isnt writable by that user? |
| 02:09.45 | peterS | FsckIt: hmm, I could be mistaken. maybe it *is* a direct Xlib (as opposed to Xt) thing |
| 02:10.01 | peterS | x|e: yes, probably. chown username:username /home/username |
| 02:10.24 | zakame | peterS, yeah, moz ignores it, with nada output... |
| 02:10.43 | jbr | zakame: might it be a product of the wrapperscript setup? (and thus a purely debian issue, I think) |
| 02:10.46 | FsckIt | peterS: or I could be mistaken.. it could be an Xt thing.. in any case, quite a few programs don't recognise -geometry |
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| 02:10.48 | peterS | zakame: I'd file a bug with Debian. either it's a real bug, or it's a manpage bug |
| 02:11.11 | peterS | FsckIt: I know. but it's such a common convention that a lot of programs *do* obey it even when they don't go direct to Xlib or Xt |
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| 02:11.54 | x|e | thank peterS |
| 02:12.01 | x|e | thanks* even |
| 02:12.11 | peterS | FsckIt: the same can't be said for the other standard X options, like -rv |
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| 02:12.13 | FsckIt | peterS: I do wish there was a way to make *all* the programs obey it |
| 02:12.36 | peterS | FsckIt: yeah yeah. it'd be nice if all apps used the X resources spec, too, but we all know some toolkits are too sophisticated for such primitive means |
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| 02:13.05 | peterS | JoshH: I hope you enjoyed your stay in #debian |
| 02:13.39 | FsckIt | peterS: but anyway, that kinda leads back to why I use what you refer to as "My First Computer" :-) |
| 02:14.12 | peterS | FsckIt: My First Computer apps don't obey -geometry, do they? I don't have a mac, so I really have no idea |
| 02:14.28 | FsckIt | peterS: I meant, the consistency overall |
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| 02:14.45 | x|e | hmmmz peterS its still giving me the same errors |
| 02:14.58 | peterS | FsckIt: you mean the consistency between apps that use Cocoa, and those that use Carbon, and those that use Xlib, and those that use ... whatever other toolkits are out there? |
| 02:15.03 | x|e | i remounted /dev/hda11 afterwards also |
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| 02:15.23 | peterS | x|e: with /home/username mounted, do "chown username:username /home/username" |
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| 02:15.45 | FsckIt | peterS: X is an add-on, so that doesn't count.. so, you are primarily left with Cocoa and Carbon |
| 02:15.45 | zakame | jbr, nope. even doing a direct call to /usr/lib/mozilla/mozilla-bin doesn't work... |
| 02:15.49 | n00b2k4 | guys i have question! |
| 02:16.06 | FsckIt | peterS: there is Java, too.. but yeah.. you are primarily left with Cocoa and Carbon :-) |
| 02:16.19 | n00b2k4 | i have shared something on my nix box with samba server running....can i check it out with my win box? |
| 02:16.20 | zakame | on another note, should /home have perms like this : drwxrwsrwx ? |
| 02:16.24 | peterS | FsckIt: maybe I've been left with the wrong impression, then. because mac-heads I know seem to all know all about the difference between Carbon and Cocoa apps, and have strong opinions about what the vendors *should* be porting to |
| 02:16.36 | peterS | FsckIt: if it were really so transparent as you imply, nobody would bother to care |
| 02:16.58 | x|e | ok peterS it worked thanks again :) |
| 02:17.03 | peterS | x|e: cool |
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| 02:17.24 | FsckIt | peterS: well, there are differences, but you only have two there.. and they are rather close in the scheme of things |
| 02:17.26 | andycb | whats the easiest way to remove kde and x-window-system? |
| 02:17.34 | andycb | and the packages associated with them |
| 02:17.45 | FsckIt | peterS: and by and large, Cocoa is the way to go for new apps/ports |
| 02:17.47 | peterS | andycb: 'aptitude purge kdelibs4', or similar? |
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| 02:17.56 | andycb | k |
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| 02:18.05 | peterS | FsckIt: yeah, I can never keep the two straight. it doesn't help that I have zero hands-on experience with OS X (: |
| 02:18.06 | zakame | andycb, apt-get --purge remove kdelibs4 xlibs |
| 02:18.18 | peterS | zakame: won't that just fail with dependency errors? |
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| 02:18.36 | zakame | peterS, okies, thanks with that bugrep... |
| 02:18.36 | peterS | zakame: I'm thinking you need 'aptitude remove' or whatever, to tell it to remove dependents as well |
| 02:19.15 | peterS | zakame: I could be mistaken, perhaps 'apt-get remove' removes the dependents too |
| 02:19.16 | FsckIt | peterS: in any case.. I find that I am a lot less surprised by the interface when using OS X than when I am using a combination of toolkits on X in Linux. |
| 02:19.19 | zakame | peterS, nope, since it's a remove, not an install |
| 02:19.58 | peterS | zakame: actually apt-get handles installs and removes about the same way, come to think of it. you can even do them in the same command, using "+" and "-" suffixes on package names |
| 02:20.16 | peterS | zakame: like ... "apt-get remove kdelibs4" == "apt-get install kdelibs4-" |
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| 02:21.11 | zakame | peterS, yep, that's true, it's in the apt howto... |
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| 02:21.40 | peterS | zakame: what's weird is that they bothered with useless interface symmetry: "apt-get install foo" == "apt-get remove foo+" |
| 02:21.58 | zakame | on another note, tigercron tells me that my /home has perms drwxrwsrwx, is that ok? |
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| 02:22.12 | zakame | peterS, hehe |
| 02:22.17 | peterS | zakame: you normally don't want that, no. 755 is reasonable for /home |
| 02:22.24 | zakame | really weird... |
| 02:22.34 | Wyzard | peterS: It's useful if you want to replace packages that don't conflict with each other... apt-get install --purge vim nvi- |
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| 02:22.55 | zakame | peterS, okies, thanks for that... |
| 02:23.33 | zakame | Wyzard, but apt-get should normally get that, right? I'ts smart enough to know that... |
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| 02:24.20 | Wyzard | zakame: No, because vim and nvi don't conflict with each other -- it's perfectly valid to have both installed. One could install vim and remove nvi with two separate commands, but it's nice to be able to use a single command. |
| 02:25.23 | FsckIt | zakame: that's why the alternatives system exist |
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| 02:26.23 | andycb | thanks guys |
| 02:26.37 | zakame | on another note, what's a good terminal to go with xfce4? |
| 02:26.50 | Caesar | zakame: gnome-terminal |
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| 02:27.05 | zakame | Wyzard, FsckIt, oic, my bad?!? |
| 02:27.18 | Wyzard | zakame: xfce4-utils includes xfterm4 |
| 02:27.26 | zakame | Caesar, that's what I'm using right now |
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| 02:27.35 | Wyzard | gnome-terminal will pull in GConf and other such stuff that you don't need |
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| 02:27.53 | zakame | Wyzard, but xfterm4's just script to x-terminal-emu... |
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| 02:28.04 | Wyzard | It is? |
| 02:28.10 | Wyzard | I haven't used it |
| 02:28.10 | Caesar | x-terminal-emulator is managed by alternatives |
| 02:28.49 | Caesar | update-alternatives --display x-terminal-emulator |
| 02:29.02 | peterS | Wyzard: I agree, 'apt-get install foo bar-' is useful. but why on earth did they bother to support the other syntax for the exact same thing? 'apt-get remove foo+ bar' |
| 02:29.31 | dondelelcaro | peterS: so you can go apt-get --purge remove foo+ bar; |
| 02:29.35 | zakame | Caesar, I got that, but what's a better alternative for gnome-term? |
| 02:29.35 | FsckIt | peterS: apt-get --purge remove sendmail postfix+ |
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| 02:30.15 | Wyzard | peterS: Same reason... maybe you're removing some packages (though I generally use "dpkg --purge" for that) and want to install a replacement at the same time |
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| 02:30.15 | dondelelcaro | although, I guess you could support apt-get --purge install foo bar-; |
| 02:30.15 | peterS | dondelelcaro: so why not 'apt-get --purge install foo bar-' then? that works too |
| 02:30.35 | dondelelcaro | peterS: probably the conflict between --purge and install.. ;-) |
| 02:30.38 | Wyzard | peterS: It depends on whether you start out installing some packages and then think of one you want to remove, or start out removing packages and then think of one you want to add :-) |
| 02:30.47 | dondelelcaro | peterS: TMTOWTDI |
| 02:30.54 | Wyzard | yes! |
| 02:30.57 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I think the interface confusion of 'apt-get remove foo+' is greater than the confusion of 'apt-get --purge install' |
| 02:30.57 | Wyzard | That is the best answer yet |
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| 02:31.17 | dondelelcaro | peterS: could be... but then you don't have to use it... |
| 02:31.36 | FsckIt | peterS: others disagree with you.. and having both options available means you can use what makes the most sense to you |
| 02:31.41 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I know, I know. I'm mostly just amused that they bothered to support what I consider "useless interface symmetry" |
| 02:31.46 | FsckIt | peterS: and they likewise |
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| 02:32.15 | FsckIt | peterS: they also added super cow powers... *shrug* it's not like you had to pay extra for that feature :-) |
| 02:32.19 | dondelelcaro | peterS: it's like the people who don't understand @foo = map {tr/a/b/} @bar; prefer foreach(@bar){tr/a/b/; push @foo;} |
| 02:32.36 | peterS | FsckIt: there *is* a non-zero cost for API flexibility, though. if every syntax does *something*, and nothing is an error, it's kind of hard to catch what are, in fact, errors |
| 02:32.51 | peterS | FsckIt: ...that's a general principle, not necessarily applicable to apt-get |
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| 02:32.57 | peterS | dondelelcaro: heh |
| 02:33.36 | peterS | dondelelcaro: believe me, I'm a fan of TMTOWTDI. but I just don't see how apt-get remove foo+ can possibly be considered useful |
| 02:33.46 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I suppose it's another case of perl's "if" versus "unless" |
| 02:34.06 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yes... although, I kind of like the unless versus if not |
| 02:34.07 | peterS | dondelelcaro: and the fact that you can say "unless (! condition)" in perl |
| 02:34.09 | The_Vulture | peterS: it could be useful if you were mainly removing things and just wanted to install something.. wasn't that the example? |
| 02:34.25 | The_Vulture | 'apt-get remove foo+' alone isn't much use, but it's just a specific case of a more general rule, that is useful in some cases |
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| 02:34.44 | FsckIt | peterS: I just showed you a useful case.. |
| 02:35.07 | Justin | dondelelcaro: in python it doesn't let you do "while lhs=rhs :", forcing you to write it another way, which is annoying, until the first time you write "while a=b :"... |
| 02:35.17 | peterS | FsckIt: guess I missed it |
| 02:35.30 | peterS | FsckIt: did you mean "you started out typing apt-get remove, so you shouldn't have to change that"? |
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| 02:35.48 | The_Vulture | peterS: apt-get remove foo bar baz wombat+ |
| 02:35.58 | dondelelcaro | Justin: yeah, that's a warning in perl. |
| 02:36.07 | FsckIt | peterS: here's another: apt-get --purge remove bigloo aterm kdm exim postfix+ |
| 02:36.22 | dondelelcaro | Justin: "Found = in conditional, should be == at -e line 1." |
| 02:36.26 | The_Vulture | to have that support it'd probably be better to have a different style of command, such that you didn't specify the operation for all at the begining |
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| 02:36.34 | FsckIt | peterS: no, above, I said, "apt-get --purge remove sendmail postfix+" |
| 02:36.37 | The_Vulture | just apt-get foo- bar- baz- wombat+ |
| 02:36.38 | The_Vulture | or something |
| 02:36.40 | peterS | FsckIt: how often do you find yourself removing a bunch of unrelated packages, and then installing a replacement for one of them? |
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| 02:37.07 | The_Vulture | peterS: whether or not they are unrelated isn't really the key issue, they could be related.. |
| 02:37.09 | peterS | FsckIt: the sendmail thing I think would be just as clear with 'apt-get --purge install sendmail- postfix' |
| 02:37.25 | FsckIt | peterS: it wasn't clear to me.. |
| 02:37.31 | peterS | The_Vulture: and yet nobody seems to be able to come up with an example that doesn't involve an MTA |
| 02:37.39 | FsckIt | peterS: the remove + syntax is clearer to me, actually |
| 02:38.00 | peterS | The_Vulture: I suppose the MTA is the only common case of a virtual dependency whose physical package you might want to swap out |
| 02:38.02 | The_Vulture | peterS: if you accept the install/- syntax then I don't see why it's such a leap to the remove/+ syntax |
| 02:38.23 | Justin | dondelelcaro: I'm liking python a lot more, some things in perl just miss me off, like function declarations and stuff |
| 02:38.23 | The_Vulture | but both cases are a bit nasty and would be better replaced with some kind of non-defaulting option |
| 02:38.29 | peterS | The_Vulture: it's not particularly cumbersome to have it, and I'm sure it was like 5 lines of code total, but it's just useless |
| 02:38.32 | The_Vulture | apt-get dothings foo+ bar+ baz+ wombat- |
| 02:38.33 | FsckIt | peterS: and whose presence is always required on the system... |
| 02:38.47 | Wyzard | peterS: apt accepts '+' when installing and '-' when removing too... most likely, install and remove are both part of the same general mechanism that installs things when you say '+', removes things when you say '-', and defaults when you use neither |
| 02:38.50 | peterS | FsckIt: for some definitions of 'always'. the main thing that needs an MTA is cron |
| 02:38.51 | The_Vulture | peterS: I don't see how install/- could be considered not useless while remove/+ would be useless.. |
| 02:39.18 | peterS | The_Vulture: the point is that there's no need for two options that do exactly the same thing and are exactly the same amount of typing |
| 02:39.21 | Wyzard | peterS: If that's the case, then the functionality you're asking about came "for free" with the implementation |
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| 02:39.38 | peterS | Wyzard: see what I said above about API complexity. it's not, in general, free |
| 02:39.40 | The_Vulture | peterS: they aren't exactly the same amount of typing.. |
| 02:39.56 | The_Vulture | if you are removing more things, the remove/+ syntax is less, if you are installing more things, the install/- is less |
| 02:40.00 | dondelelcaro | Justin: could be... I just get annoyed at the whitespace of python... plus, I'm just faster at perl... |
| 02:40.01 | peterS | The_Vulture: if you're within 2 characters of the same amount of typing, it's the same |
| 02:40.22 | peterS | The_Vulture: you've already accepted the interface of typing a whole word "remove" or "install" rather than a single option character like "-r" or "-i" |
| 02:40.32 | peterS | The_Vulture: so counting glyphs would seem to be rather silly at that point |
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| 02:40.37 | The_Vulture | peterS: I don't think it's quite reasonable to have it balanced so you can do similar things with remove as you can with install, I Don't see what use there is in accepting one side and denying the other |
| 02:40.43 | The_Vulture | (let alone trying to decide which one to accept or reject) |
| 02:40.45 | FsckIt | peterS: actually the optimal thing would be something like apt-get -r postfix -i sendmail (or whatever packages) |
| 02:40.55 | The_Vulture | but I do think some completely separate mode of operation would be better if you wanted that style of thing |
| 02:40.57 | FsckIt | peterS: but the interface to apt-get didn't evolve to that |
| 02:41.02 | peterS | FsckIt: see, that would make more sense. yeah. |
| 02:41.17 | peterS | FsckIt: apt-get wants to be tar |
| 02:41.27 | FsckIt | peterS: well, it started out as apt-get <command> <package> |
| 02:41.28 | peterS | FsckIt: with a single option that specifies a sub-command, and then other options that modify that |
| 02:41.33 | The_Vulture | FsckIt: that's something like what I was saying before (apt-get foo+ bar+ baz- or apt-get installorremove foo+ bar+ baz-) or whatever |
| 02:41.52 | Justin | who actually types "apt-get"? |
| 02:41.56 | FsckIt | peterS: and to be accurate, apt-get started out purely as a demonstration of libapt, that people just started using |
| 02:42.08 | Guerin | Justin: as opposed to ...? |
| 02:42.12 | peterS | FsckIt: oh, true. it wasn't supposed to be the final product |
| 02:42.12 | Justin | alias agi='apt-get install';alias agr='apt-get remove'; agi foo bar- |
| 02:42.18 | Guerin | Justin: right |
| 02:42.22 | The_Vulture | general opion: if you accept one (install/- for example) I don't see any basis not to accept the other (remove/+), but neither is particularly nice, and some other mode of operation would possibly be better |
| 02:42.23 | FsckIt | The_Vulture: right.. but -r/-i is more unix-like |
| 02:42.28 | The_Vulture | FsckIt: *nods* |
| 02:42.33 | jetlag | can i paste two lines ? trying to figure out why kdebase wont install. ok to do here ? 2 lines |
| 02:42.42 | dondelelcaro | jetlag: paste the entire output into #flood |
| 02:42.50 | peterS | jetlag: I think two lines is ok here. 3 lines is too much. |
| 02:43.16 | peterS | dondelelcaro: heh, point |
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| 02:43.20 | vegan | hey all :) |
| 02:43.30 | FsckIt | peterS: so, actually, the intention was that you would use aptitude or what-not.. unfortunately, by the time aptitude really came around, apt-get had gotten so intrenched that now aptitude follows apt-get's command line |
| 02:43.42 | jetlag | i will post to flood those of you who are wiling to help please take a peek |
| 02:43.43 | vegan | I would like to turn on the scroll on my mouse, how to? |
| 02:43.56 | peterS | vegan: are you using gpm, or not? |
| 02:43.59 | FsckIt | peterS: and, furthermore, I always thought the name 'apt-get' could be better, too. |
| 02:44.06 | peterS | vegan: I understand you're talking about X here, but are you also using gpm? |
| 02:44.18 | peterS | FsckIt: yeah. like, say, "apt" |
| 02:44.27 | vegan | gpm isnt running :) |
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| 02:44.39 | peterS | vegan: this being occasion for joy, hence a smilie? |
| 02:44.39 | dondelelcaro | jetlag: uh... what version of dpkg are you running? dpkg -l dpkg; |
| 02:44.43 | peterS | vegan: ok, it's pretty simple then |
| 02:44.52 | FsckIt | peterS: in any case, I'm sure you're welcome to write a program called, say, 'pkg' that accepts -r and -i and -p (for remove with purge) and ... |
| 02:45.12 | peterS | vegan: I'll assume you have either a PS/2 or USB mouse - not too many serial mice were made with scroll wheels |
| 02:45.33 | peterS | FsckIt: actually, this being Debian, I think I'll call it Dpkg |
| 02:45.39 | peterS | FsckIt: or, wait, maybe that one's already taken |
| 02:45.53 | FsckIt | peterS: I believe they didn't go that route because 1) it was just supposed to be a demo, and 2) they wanted to explicitly support several apt frontends (aptitude, synaptic, apt-get, and gnome-apt, at least.. there was a console-apt, for awhile too) |
| 02:46.07 | peterS | vegan: in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, find the "InputDevice" section corresponding to your mouse |
| 02:46.11 | vegan | peters yes a ps2 |
| 02:46.18 | peterS | vegan: make sure it says Option "Protocol" "ExplorerPS/2" |
| 02:46.28 | peterS | vegan: and Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 02:46.36 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 02:46.36 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 02:46.42 | peterS | sgeigerbot: hoya |
| 02:47.15 | FsckIt | peterS: or you could name it 'package' or 'apt-do' or 'apt-pkg' or whatever |
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| 02:47.35 | peterS | vegan: the Protocol actually might be ExplorerPS/2 or it might be ImPS/2. If the first doesn't work, try the second |
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| 02:48.09 | vegan | thanks, restarting X brb |
| 02:48.13 | inge_23 | hi |
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| 02:48.35 | jetlag | dondedecarlo, i get a dpkg killed error :( |
| 02:48.52 | inge_23 | somebody speak spanish |
| 02:48.52 | jetlag | actually.. 1.9.21 |
| 02:48.57 | jetlag | it worked last time |
| 02:49.01 | inge_23 | i need help please |
| 02:49.07 | dondelelcaro | jetlag: hrm... try reinstalling dpkg if you can. |
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| 02:49.34 | sgeigerbot | ~+spanish |
| 02:49.35 | apt | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 02:49.35 | vegan | peterS, Worked, thanks mate :) |
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| 02:49.41 | peterS | vegan: cool |
| 02:50.07 | vegan | transparent Eterm, w/o scrollbar so forth, menu bar |
| 02:50.08 | vegan | ? |
| 02:50.09 | vegan | heheh |
| 02:50.18 | vegan | vegans taste the best :) |
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| 02:50.36 | inge_23 | in debian-es dont want help me |
| 02:50.36 | stew | vegans taste like chicken |
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| 02:50.59 | inge_23 | please i need help some body speak spanish |
| 02:51.10 | sgeigerbot | inge_23: <apt> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 02:51.23 | jetlag | what did not work a minute or two ago seems to be doing something now |
| 02:52.05 | vegan | heh cute, sgeigerbot |
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| 02:52.48 | sgeigerbot | She's a vegetarian, Mary Mo, Mary Mo |
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| 02:55.22 | peterS | sgeigerbot: wait, doesn't "vegan" just mean an inhabitant of the vega system? |
| 02:55.24 | RainbowW | anybody here familiar with wav-editing tools? in goldwave for windows, there's a feature that will auto-calculate marks based on silence, like pauses for breath. is there a tool with a similiar feature for linux? |
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| 02:56.13 | peterS | RainbowW: well, 'audacity' is the tool everyone seems to talk about. it's got serious features, apparently - aiming for the same space as cubase et al. I've never tried it. |
| 02:56.15 | x|e | how do i copy a whole directory and all its contents with the cp command? |
| 02:56.22 | peterS | x|e: cp -a |
| 02:56.45 | RainbowW | peterS: I've never been able to figure out if audacity will do exactly what I want. Which is a drag. :) |
| 02:57.02 | peterS | RainbowW: shrug. best answer I've got, since I haven't tried any such tools (: |
| 02:57.30 | jetlag | how might i reinstall dpkg ? |
| 02:57.39 | peterS | jetlag: apt-get install --reinstall dpkg |
| 02:57.42 | peterS | jetlag: but why? |
| 02:57.48 | jetlag | i was told to |
| 02:57.55 | FieldySnuts | jetlag: give me root |
| 02:57.57 | FieldySnuts | because you're told to |
| 02:58.04 | FsckIt | peterS: that command assumes a working dpkg |
| 02:58.04 | jetlag | ok |
| 02:58.17 | peterS | FsckIt: most things we say around here assume a working dpkg |
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| 02:58.27 | FsckIt | hehe |
| 02:58.29 | peterS | FsckIt: if you don't have a working dpkg, I think it's your responsibility to tell us that (: |
| 02:58.31 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: moron jetlag |
| 02:58.32 | dpkg | jetlag: You are moron #58 |
| 02:58.49 | dondelelcaro | peterS: I suggested that he install a working dpkg... as dpkg is randomly segfaulting on him... |
| 02:59.00 | peterS | dondelelcaro: random segfaults are kind of bad, yeah |
| 02:59.08 | FsckIt | peterS: well, I consider a request about how to reinstall dpkg a reason to ask |
| 02:59.25 | peterS | FsckIt: note that I did ask. "but why?" |
| 02:59.37 | FsckIt | peterS: true |
| 02:59.39 | jetlag | dondelecarlo, i tried to reinstall and it fails the reinstall :( |
| 02:59.51 | peterS | jetlag: ok, you can try this: |
| 03:00.04 | dondelelcaro | jetlag: heh. not terribly surprising. if it completed the download, you can unpack the dpkg.deb using dpkg-deb -x |
| 03:00.06 | peterS | jetlag: download the new dpkg - you've done that already, it's in /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_*.deb |
| 03:00.17 | peterS | ah, dondelelcaro beat me to it |
| 03:00.27 | jetlag | thank you very much |
| 03:01.05 | dondelelcaro | jetlag: you'll then have to move the files from the cwd to their locations... but that's pretty self-explanatory. |
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| 03:01.39 | dondelelcaro | jetlag: or you could go dpkg-deb -x foo.deb /; |
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| 03:01.57 | mith | ~netinstall |
| 03:01.58 | apt | netinst is probably a mini-CD bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html for a large variety of sources for various netinst images for Woody, Sarge, and Sid. |
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| 03:02.49 | peterS | dondelelcaro: since dpkg-deb has a required argument for "destination directory", I'd think that would be the most straightforward |
| 03:02.52 | jetlag | ok i'm a total newbie, for the most part -- i dont know the target directory for dpkg |
| 03:02.58 | peterS | jetlag: it is "/" |
| 03:03.05 | jetlag | thank you |
| 03:03.24 | sgeigerbot | jetlag: /var/lib/dpkg/...something |
| 03:04.00 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: yorkshiresmite sgeigerbot |
| 03:04.04 | sgeigerbot | peterS: maybe I misunderstood. What's the "target directory"? |
| 03:04.31 | mith | where the hell did the sarge netinst cds go, all the links on that page are dead =( |
| 03:04.37 | peterS | sgeigerbot: where to unpack the file. unlike the 'tar' command, it doesn't just assume you want everything starting in the current directory |
| 03:04.38 | sgeigerbot | ~wmd FieldySnuts |
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| 03:04.48 | mith | the ones on debian.org anyways |
| 03:04.56 | peterS | mith: see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 03:05.09 | mith | peterS: umm, that's what I'm looking at. |
| 03:05.10 | sgeigerbot | mith: Even better than netinst, in my opinion, is to use debootstrap. |
| 03:05.18 | mith | the i386 netinst sarge cds are fucking dead |
| 03:05.22 | Led_Zeppelin | debian:/usr/local/jakarta-tomcat-5.0.25/bin# netstat -a | grep -i web |
| 03:05.22 | Led_Zeppelin | tcp 0 0 localhost:32848 localhost:webcache TIME_WAIT |
| 03:05.28 | Led_Zeppelin | how do I stop this webcache? |
| 03:05.29 | peterS | mith: the netinst images linked off there were there a day or two ago when I last checked |
| 03:05.30 | mith | sgeigerbot: this isn't for installing debian, I just need a small bootable cd |
| 03:05.32 | FieldySnuts | !fuck tomcat |
| 03:05.43 | sgeigerbot | mith: debootstrap is a good investment, as it allows you to install on a wider variety of hardware. |
| 03:05.45 | Led_Zeppelin | hahaha |
| 03:05.52 | Led_Zeppelin | FieldySnuts: dude...I AGREE!!!!! |
| 03:05.55 | mith | peterS: http://people.debian.org/~manty/testing/netinst/ and http://www.mmweg.rwth-aachen.de/~sebastian.ley/d-i/netinst-image-i386/daily-2003-11-19/ are both dead |
| 03:06.05 | jetlag | ok when i unpacked my *.deb file to / then i lost my sources.list i can recreate /etc/apt but i hope the only file that is needed is sources.list ? |
| 03:06.09 | sgeigerbot | mith: damnsmalllinux |
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| 03:06.23 | mith | sgeigerbot: does it have xfs/reiser utils on it? |
| 03:06.35 | sgeigerbot | mith: don't know. |
| 03:06.57 | peterS | mith: umm. linked directly off the page I mentioned: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/tc1/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:07.03 | sgeigerbot | mith: You know, I think it would be handy in a lot of situations to know how to remaster knoppix... |
| 03:07.06 | peterS | mith: I don't know where you got those other links |
| 03:07.41 | jetlag | dondelecarlos, could you help me with what is now my current problem ? shall i just recreate a /etc/apt with a single sources.list ? |
| 03:07.41 | Led_Zeppelin | is a server reboot the only solution? |
| 03:07.50 | Led_Zeppelin | how do I clear my network cache? |
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| 03:09.10 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: what network cache? |
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| 03:09.35 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: this isn't windows. things have specific, descriptive names in the Linux world. |
| 03:10.05 | Wyzard | Led_Zeppelin: That line from netstat is just a recently-closed TCP connection that will be removed in a few minutes |
| 03:10.09 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: looks like tomcat crapped out on me...and I still see tomcat page on my webbrowser, eventhough I killed it. I see no java pids, netstat -a | grep -i listen | grep 8080 shows nothing |
| 03:10.13 | Wyzard | Led_Zeppelin: It's not a running process |
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| 03:10.39 | Led_Zeppelin | Wyzard: minutes? |
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| 03:10.53 | Justin | !tell Led_Zeppelin about open ports |
| 03:11.23 | Led_Zeppelin | dpkg: thanks! |
| 03:11.23 | dpkg | de rien, Led_Zeppelin |
| 03:11.39 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: sudo lsof -i :8080 |
| 03:11.53 | Wyzard | Led_Zeppelin: The default time is 240 seconds... but unless you need to suddenly accept a huge number of TCP connections all at once, it's not taking up any resources by being there |
| 03:11.55 | Led_Zeppelin | no need for sudo, I am root |
| 03:11.57 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: Ctrl-r |
| 03:12.06 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: If you don't know what sudo does, you should install it on a box and get familiar with. If you can, just "apt-get install sudo" right now. However, instead of using sudo, you can simply become root (with "su") and then run the command without sudo. |
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| 03:12.12 | Plareplane | if startx fails the first time because it can't open /dev/psaux, but it succeeds the second time immediately after (no config changes), what can be wrong? |
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| 03:12.44 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: man, you are in a world of hurt. You aren't even telling us which browser you are using. Man... |
| 03:12.55 | Justin | Plareplane: is it startx both times? |
| 03:13.02 | Plareplane | yes |
| 03:13.02 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: mozilla, ie, links, lynx |
| 03:13.22 | Justin | !tell Plareplane about X problem |
| 03:13.24 | Justin | then |
| 03:13.24 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: mozilla, ie remotly, links and lynx locally, still I get the page. |
| 03:14.08 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: http://146.186.107.248:8080/ you see 5.0.25, no? |
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| 03:15.16 | Led_Zeppelin | !fuck tomcat |
| 03:15.28 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: yes, I see it. |
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| 03:15.55 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: yea...I have NO instances of java running, and still we see this page.... |
| 03:16.03 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: very strange... |
| 03:16.09 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: If you want to rule out the possibility of Web cache causing something to display improperly, download the page with wget. |
| 03:16.21 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: oooo...good idea! |
| 03:16.26 | Justin | Led_Zeppelin: what does java have to do with apache running? |
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| 03:16.36 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: I'm seeing the page, too, so something is serving it. |
| 03:16.40 | holycow | http://linuxreviews.org/news/2004-06-11_kernel_crash/index.html <-- cool |
| 03:16.43 | vegan | argh! |
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| 03:16.53 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: got the page :-( |
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| 03:17.00 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: perhaps you should be looking for tomcat instances, not java instances. |
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| 03:17.20 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: pgrep to , nothing! |
| 03:17.33 | Led_Zeppelin | Justin: ? |
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| 03:17.45 | Justin | Led_Zeppelin: was there something wrong with the methods dpkg told you to use to see what is running on that port? |
| 03:17.54 | xxx | How do you get a list of irc channels? |
| 03:18.02 | Led_Zeppelin | Justin: what are you talking about? |
| 03:18.18 | The_Vulture | Led_Zeppelin: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 03:18.20 | The_Vulture | and read what it says |
| 03:18.32 | The_Vulture | xxx: /list with caution (try /help list first or something) |
| 03:18.44 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: Did you do this command? sudo lsof -i :8080 |
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| 03:19.11 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: yep. |
| 03:19.15 | Led_Zeppelin | nada |
| 03:19.24 | Justin | Led_Zeppelin: did you run it on the right computer? |
| 03:19.36 | Led_Zeppelin | Justin: yes |
| 03:19.46 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: Nothing is listening on that port? In that case, perhaps it is getting started up by inetd |
| 03:19.55 | Justin | sgeigerbot: if it was, inetd would be listeining on that port |
| 03:20.08 | sgeigerbot | Justin: *rolls eyes* Fuck...you are right... |
| 03:20.10 | xxx | the command /list doesnt do anything? |
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| 03:20.22 | sgeigerbot | Justin: ++ INSUFFICIENT CAFFEINE ERROR ++ |
| 03:20.24 | Led_Zeppelin | grep -i 8080 /etc/inetd.conf ? |
| 03:20.43 | Led_Zeppelin | next? |
| 03:20.55 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: what's the lowercase form of 8080? ;-) |
| 03:21.02 | The_Vulture | Led_Zeppelin: nope, inetd.conf will just refer to the name configured in /etc/services probably.. |
| 03:21.09 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: got a habit of -i :-) |
| 03:21.09 | Justin | Led_Zeppelin: uh, is it actually running on 8080, or do you have a router forwarding 8080 to something? |
| 03:21.18 | Led_Zeppelin | Justin: no |
| 03:21.23 | Led_Zeppelin | Justin: iptables -L |
| 03:21.31 | Led_Zeppelin | nada |
| 03:21.36 | Justin | iptables -L != a router |
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| 03:21.51 | Led_Zeppelin | Justin: firewall part |
| 03:21.52 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: try this: unplug the ethernet cable that goes to that machine. |
| 03:22.07 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: i am sshd into the box :-/ |
| 03:22.09 | FlyByte | is there an app for debian thats the same as lotus notes? |
| 03:22.16 | Led_Zeppelin | FlyByte: you wish :-) |
| 03:22.25 | FlyByte | yes i do :) |
| 03:22.27 | Led_Zeppelin | FlyByte: ask IBM to port notes to linux |
| 03:22.30 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: are you implying that it is a remote machine? |
| 03:22.31 | Led_Zeppelin | FlyByte: I wish too |
| 03:22.37 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: yes |
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| 03:23.05 | The_Vulture | Led_Zeppelin: ok, where exactly are all these computers you are using? |
| 03:23.14 | Caesar | Led_Zeppelin: Notes has been ported to Linux |
| 03:23.22 | Led_Zeppelin | Caesar: realllly? |
| 03:23.27 | The_Vulture | you are on one computer, the tomcat server is on another computer, do they both have public ips on the Internet? |
| 03:23.29 | Led_Zeppelin | The_Vulture: the server? |
| 03:23.37 | Caesar | Led_Zeppelin: Yeah I believe so, I'll just go check |
| 03:23.45 | Led_Zeppelin | The_Vulture: yes. |
| 03:23.58 | FlyByte | hmmmm maybe we are in luck |
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| 03:24.04 | Caesar | Led_Zeppelin: Why anyone would want to run Lotus Bloats is beyond me... |
| 03:24.16 | Led_Zeppelin | Caesar: I would! at work thats all we use. |
| 03:24.22 | Led_Zeppelin | Notes is nice. |
| 03:24.23 | FlyByte | he he my work has it |
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| 03:24.32 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: If nothing is holding that port open, then you are on the wrong box. |
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| 03:24.38 | Led_Zeppelin | the only thing that keeps me on Windows @ Work. |
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| 03:24.43 | The_Vulture | Led_Zeppelin: and you used links on the server and it found the page (ctrl-r to refresh) and mozilla on your local machine, accessing the server remotely, also found the page? |
| 03:24.44 | FlyByte | same here |
| 03:24.50 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: definatly not on the box. |
| 03:25.14 | Led_Zeppelin | debian:~# telnet localhost 8080 |
| 03:25.14 | Led_Zeppelin | Trying 127.0.0.1... |
| 03:25.14 | Led_Zeppelin | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
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| 03:26.08 | Led_Zeppelin | The_Vulture: funny you asked, links won't connect to it now |
| 03:26.15 | Led_Zeppelin | links 127.0.0.1:8080 ? |
| 03:26.30 | Justin | 23:19 < Justin> Led_Zeppelin: did you run it on the right computer? |
| 03:26.34 | The_Vulture | Led_Zeppelin: sounds to me like it was just being cached by your browsers.. |
| 03:26.42 | Justin | The_Vulture: no, he is on the wrong computer |
| 03:26.55 | Led_Zeppelin | Justin: no, I am not. |
| 03:27.00 | Justin | Led_Zeppelin: yes, you are |
| 03:27.06 | The_Vulture | Justin: hard to tell, I'm still trying to get a clear bearing on which computers are in the scenario and what he's running on which |
| 03:27.16 | The_Vulture | Led_Zeppelin: ok, what's the public IP of the computer you think is running tomcat? |
| 03:27.55 | Led_Zeppelin | Justin: just 2 computers....1 computer has tomcat running on it, the other computer is the computer I am on now....the computer which has tomcat on it (146.186.252.167), I am on 66.71.91.19 |
| 03:28.08 | Led_Zeppelin | got it? |
| 03:28.16 | Justin | 23:14 < Led_Zeppelin> sgeigerbot: http://146.186.107.248:8080/ you see 5.0.25, no? |
| 03:28.23 | Justin | Led_Zeppelin: I think you are on crack |
| 03:28.27 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: yes, what does "lynx 127.0.0.1:8080" give you? |
| 03:28.35 | Justin | 146.186.107.248 != 146.186.252.167 |
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| 03:28.47 | Caesar | Here's a link to something about Lotus Bloats and Linux http://www-306.ibm.com/software/swnews/swnews.nsf/n/jmae5jgsrg?opendocument&site=lotus |
| 03:28.59 | FlyByte | thanks Caesar |
| 03:29.05 | sgeigerbot | Caesar: Lotus Goats... |
| 03:29.12 | Caesar | Bloatus Goats... |
| 03:29.17 | Led_Zeppelin | Justin: fuck! you are right! |
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| 03:29.51 | cef | ok, who do I shoot for screwing up kde in unstable? |
| 03:29.59 | Led_Zeppelin | Justin: Led_Zeppelin: I think you are on crack....no just weed! |
| 03:30.00 | Justin | !tell cef about bts |
| 03:30.02 | dondelelcaro | cef: yourself? it is unstable, after all. |
| 03:30.03 | The_Vulture | Led_Zeppelin: what makes you think tomcat is running on it? |
| 03:30.07 | Plareplane | Justin, I have these 2 uploaded. What was the third? http://www.cs.usask.ca/undergrads/mkt000/XF86Config-4 http://www.cs.usask.ca/undergrads/mkt000/XFree86.0.log |
| 03:30.10 | peterS | cef: referring to a dependency thing, or what? |
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| 03:30.22 | Led_Zeppelin | The_Vulture: its not..my putty shows everything off! |
| 03:30.24 | Justin | Plareplane: forget the third one |
| 03:30.32 | Led_Zeppelin | The_Vulture: sorry abotu that. |
| 03:30.33 | cef | Justin: I was just there funnily enough |
| 03:30.34 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: Alright...so did you get it figured out? |
| 03:30.41 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: yea...sorry abotu that |
| 03:30.46 | cef | dondelelcaro: true |
| 03:30.57 | Justin | Plareplane: are you using 2.6? |
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| 03:31.01 | Plareplane | yes |
| 03:31.07 | cef | peterS: nah.. the Keramik widget theme has vanished |
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| 03:31.11 | Justin | Plareplane: that would be why.. |
| 03:31.20 | peterS | cef: oh, well, I'd have no idea then |
| 03:31.27 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: remember this conversation and the tips we gave you so you can figure it out faster next time. |
| 03:31.30 | Justin | !tell Plareplane about 2.6 mouse |
| 03:31.43 | cef | peterS: and it's not in kdeartwork-style either, which is where i'd expect it to have gone if it was removed from core |
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| 03:32.17 | cef | peterS: and it put me onthe one below it on the list, which is the windows clone theme.. ewwww! |
| 03:32.20 | beta3 | hello! |
| 03:32.21 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: heh, just remember to be on the right box! |
| 03:32.25 | xxxx | What is tomcat? |
| 03:32.28 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: I think you owe someone an apology: <Led_Zeppelin> !fuck tomcat |
| 03:32.29 | Plareplane | ah, thanks, justin |
| 03:32.40 | beta3 | xxxx, a cat from Tom and Jerry |
| 03:32.40 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: lol |
| 03:32.41 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: linux != Unix |
| 03:32.44 | sgeigerbot | Led_Zeppelin: remember how to find open ports, you moron. |
| 03:32.47 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 03:33.02 | xxxx | I have that webpage |
| 03:33.14 | xxxx | It says I have set up tomcat correctly |
| 03:33.19 | beta3 | hehe |
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| 03:33.21 | Lobezno | hi |
| 03:33.43 | Led_Zeppelin | xxxx: tomcat is a servlet container |
| 03:33.56 | beta3 | Led_Zeppelin, I was trying to make him look for it |
| 03:33.57 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: okay...same for me :-p |
| 03:33.58 | FlyByte | i checked out that site for lotus notes, its not a free app, is there something for debian thats the same as lotus notes, only free |
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| 03:34.12 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: i've never used unix ;) |
| 03:34.14 | beta3 | anyway, after I increased the amount of memory given to X on this lappy, this isn't so bad |
| 03:34.29 | beta3 | xterm is however, unbarably slow |
| 03:34.36 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: i have....looks the same to me, except some utilities and flags. |
| 03:34.37 | xxxx | What do you want from lotus notes |
| 03:34.54 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: its old isnt it? |
| 03:34.59 | Led_Zeppelin | FlyByte: doubt it...notes server won't accept some cheesy client :p |
| 03:35.12 | FlyByte | i use it at work and would like to have something the same for my linux box at home |
| 03:35.13 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: i don't know the history or anything to it...i just use it dude |
| 03:35.36 | Led_Zeppelin | i think unix is old, like 30 years or something. |
| 03:35.41 | FlyByte | we do scheduling and work orders with it |
| 03:35.48 | Led_Zeppelin | FlyByte: notes? |
| 03:35.57 | FlyByte | yep |
| 03:36.08 | Led_Zeppelin | FlyByte: what server you guys use? Domonio what? and on what platform? |
| 03:36.14 | guestish | linux is realitively new right? |
| 03:36.28 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: seems like it. I like it so far. |
| 03:36.28 | sgeigerbot | guestish: early 90s |
| 03:36.33 | guestish | sgeigerbot: yep, new |
| 03:36.44 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: are you new at it? |
| 03:36.45 | FlyByte | i have a win 200 laptop |
| 03:36.51 | FlyByte | 2000 |
| 03:36.57 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: 5 years or so, i dunno how new that is |
| 03:37.13 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: damn dude...thats old! |
| 03:37.17 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: meh |
| 03:37.19 | sgeigerbot | guestish: Linux, the kernel, that is. However, the GNU project, which many people refer to as "Linux" was started in the early 80s. |
| 03:37.38 | Led_Zeppelin | i guess thats old, sgeigerbot |
| 03:37.46 | xxxx | Unix began in 1969 |
| 03:37.47 | guestish | sgeigerbot: still isnt that old |
| 03:38.07 | sgeigerbot | guestish: In actuality, GNU is a much larger project thank Linux. However, Linux was the capstone project. |
| 03:38.18 | Led_Zeppelin | does AIX consider as UNIX? because thats what I mainly use. |
| 03:38.21 | guestish | sgeigerbot: i know the history.. |
| 03:38.26 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: it meets the specifications |
| 03:38.33 | xxxx | AIX is unix |
| 03:38.37 | Caesar | GNU was having a bad time because the Hurd kernel wasn't going anywhere, so they had the userspace tools without a kernel... |
| 03:38.42 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: i dont know how to program , so i only know so much about linux |
| 03:38.55 | guestish | anyone know why linux never became the hurd? |
| 03:38.57 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: lol...I don't know either dude :p |
| 03:39.10 | sgeigerbot | guestish: it's a different project |
| 03:39.12 | Caesar | Linux was already Linux, and the Hurd was already the Hurd |
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| 03:39.14 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: probally the kernel was different |
| 03:39.15 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: well that makes two of us |
| 03:39.27 | xxxx | Why should linux be the hurd? |
| 03:39.34 | Caesar | Different approaches to kernel design. Linux is a monolithic kernel, the Hurd is a microkernel |
| 03:39.36 | guestish | sgeigerbot: i mean you would think the GNU project would at least adopt the linux kernel and call it part of hte project |
| 03:39.43 | Led_Zeppelin | i am sure you can build GNU tools around hurd, no? |
| 03:39.45 | FlyByte | bed time here , gnite |
| 03:39.52 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: i think hurd is still alpha |
| 03:40.01 | Caesar | GNU tools work on the Hurd kernel as well |
| 03:40.01 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: mainly cause no one cares, heh |
| 03:40.34 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: at least not like they do when it comes to linux |
| 03:40.38 | Caesar | GNU tools work on Windoze as well. The tools port reasonably well. |
| 03:40.46 | guestish | Caesar: some... |
| 03:40.52 | xxxx | Im pretty certain linux was the first kernel that could run GNU tools |
| 03:41.04 | guestish | i know the BSD kernel can run the GNU tools |
| 03:41.08 | sgeigerbot | Unlike other popular kernel software, the Hurd has an object-oriented structure that allows it to evolve without compromising its design. This structure will help the Hurd undergo major redesign and modifications without having to be entirely rewritten. (source: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html) |
| 03:41.12 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: to be honest, I am not even a big fan of linux :-)...I just use it to get work done. Important and mostly not important |
| 03:41.13 | Caesar | I think you'll find that GCC was ported to other kernels before Linux... |
| 03:41.23 | xxxx | I am pretty certain that linux came before BSD |
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| 03:41.35 | xxxx | Not free ones |
| 03:41.37 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: why are you using debian then? it takes some knowledge to install and get to run properly |
| 03:41.38 | Caesar | Pfft. BSD is as old as Unix, it's one of the originald derivatives |
| 03:41.47 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: though once it is installed i think its a great variant |
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| 03:41.55 | xxxx | I mean freeBSD |
| 03:42.10 | guestish | xxxx: bsd is old...real old |
| 03:42.12 | dondelelcaro | xxxx: even minix will run gnu tools. |
| 03:42.15 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: i used other distros, Debian installation is probally the most straight forward installation (Vsimilar to AIX, IMO) |
| 03:42.26 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: huh...sounds good |
| 03:42.29 | xxxx | Linux was built on minix |
| 03:42.37 | sgeigerbot | guestish: Also, Hurd is not Linux, so if the Linux project gets taken down by patent lawyers, there's Hurd. Just a little piece of mind for the super paranoid. |
| 03:42.51 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: i like the fileset system on Debian too... |
| 03:42.58 | guestish | sgeigerbot: thats cool, i like the standardization |
| 03:43.04 | guestish | sgeigerbot: oops |
| 03:43.11 | dondelelcaro | xxxx: built *using* minix. Not built on minix. |
| 03:43.17 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin thats cool, i like the standardization and the dependency management |
| 03:43.32 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: i've had a hard time with dependencies...dunno about you |
| 03:43.38 | Led_Zeppelin | one things I don't like about linux is that RPM thingies, very annoying, And the LVM needs to catch up a whole lot. |
| 03:43.42 | dondelelcaro | although, it could have been built using a pdp-11 or whatever. |
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| 03:43.53 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: rpm is red hat based linux variants |
| 03:44.06 | peterS | Led_Zeppelin: how is "that RPM thingies" on topic in #debian? |
| 03:44.19 | xxxx | minix couldnt go into 32 bit mode |
| 03:44.29 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: i c, also linux needs a standarrd sysadmin tool, in AIX we have a tool called SMITT(y), and once you get used to this tool, you are golden in the AIX world |
| 03:44.32 | dondelelcaro | xxxx: so? |
| 03:44.39 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: that would be great |
| 03:44.57 | Led_Zeppelin | peterS: I don't think it is... |
| 03:45.04 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: i think the standard tool right now it is a text editor and knowledge of /etc |
| 03:45.09 | peterS | Led_Zeppelin: can you start talking about something you know anything about, please? it's not "SMITT(y)", it's "smit", with a console-based version called "smitty" |
| 03:45.10 | guestish | is* |
| 03:45.19 | xxxx | That is alot of difference between 32 bit and 16 bit mode on the 80386 |
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| 03:45.28 | Led_Zeppelin | peterS: i am new. |
| 03:45.47 | Grant_ | do do do do :) |
| 03:45.50 | Led_Zeppelin | peterS: relax a little, guestish and I are conversing about debian and other distros |
| 03:45.51 | Grant_ | SO bored |
| 03:45.55 | dondelelcaro | xxxx: yes, but that has fuck all to do with gnu tools or how linux was coded... |
| 03:46.00 | Grant_ | Anyone have some good Firwall Tutorials? |
| 03:46.06 | guestish | peterS: i dont think it matters... |
| 03:46.12 | sgeigerbot | Grant_: I hear google has some. |
| 03:46.15 | Grant_ | LOL |
| 03:46.26 | Grant_ | shhh |
| 03:46.32 | SpandoFando | Watch out for this kicks.. |
| 03:46.38 | xxxx | Well you need a root user and a regular user |
| 03:46.41 | Led_Zeppelin | peterS: don't mean to bug you, but you a AIX user? |
| 03:46.43 | Grant_ | lol |
| 03:46.45 | peterS | sgeigerbot: google even has a searchable interface for its web pages |
| 03:46.45 | xxxx | You need 32 bit mode for that |
| 03:46.53 | peterS | Led_Zeppelin: only sometimes |
| 03:46.53 | Grant_ | oooooooooooo |
| 03:46.56 | Led_Zeppelin | peterS: is there a tool like smitty for Linux or Debian? |
| 03:46.59 | dondelelcaro | xxxx: uh, no you don't. |
| 03:47.08 | peterS | Led_Zeppelin: thankfully, no |
| 03:47.09 | Grant_ | heh |
| 03:47.17 | peterS | Led_Zeppelin: Debian uses mostly text-based config files |
| 03:47.18 | Led_Zeppelin | peterS: Hey! i like smutty :-) |
| 03:47.28 | thoreauputic | xxxx: uh...where did that idea come from? |
| 03:47.33 | Grant_ | So anyone got some good Iptable firewalls that actually work the last one i tried blocked everything even though i accepted certain ports lol |
| 03:47.38 | xxxx | Actually you do. Because the segments in 80386 are coded like that |
| 03:47.49 | peterS | Led_Zeppelin: yeah, it's wonderful how unusable it becomes when it doesn't like a few details about your terminal settings |
| 03:48.14 | Led_Zeppelin | export DISPLAY=xterm always seems to work. |
| 03:48.36 | peterS | Led_Zeppelin: I highly doubt that |
| 03:48.40 | dondelelcaro | xxxx: if you can pull up $EDITOR, and run gcc, it matters little what you're writing it on. You could be using multics chained to a pdp-10 for all that it matters. |
| 03:48.46 | peterS | Led_Zeppelin: maybe export TERM=xterm might help some |
| 03:48.59 | Led_Zeppelin | peterS: what default console you use? |
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| 03:49.14 | sgeigerbot | peterS: What do you mean? |
| 03:49.20 | Led_Zeppelin | peterS: hehe...mine will not work at all! TERM=xterm will work :-) my bad |
| 03:49.28 | Grant_ | peterS Your a genuius you might have some good firewall tutorials, most of the ones i read are bloudy double dutch :) Even though i am half dutch by blood LOL |
| 03:49.29 | SARADO_RJ | someone knows hot to remone openwebmail in a debian PV T M E |
| 03:49.30 | sgeigerbot | peterS: You mean you can find Web pages with Google??? |
| 03:49.33 | sgeigerbot | wow... |
| 03:49.46 | JoshH | sometimes sgeigerbot |
| 03:49.47 | dondelelcaro | whoa. there's some serious misspelling there. |
| 03:49.58 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: yea...I think you can do that thru irc too, like a google bot. Its pretty wild |
| 03:49.58 | guestish | sgeigerbot: my computer doesnt tranlsate text into sound and even i could hear that sarcasm |
| 03:50.58 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: hold up...trying to find the tool for you...give me a sec. |
| 03:51.38 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: debian doesnt really take all that much configuring.. |
| 03:52.11 | Led_Zeppelin | sgeigerbot: in #linuxhelp, type google "search term" and it displays it...its like a robot...check it out. |
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| 03:52.30 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: best distro so far |
| 03:52.44 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: not as strong on the graphical configuration though |
| 03:53.00 | SpandoFando | Bah, who needs graphics when you have perfectly readable text.. |
| 03:53.04 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: i tried SuSE which is pretty nice...I like yast, Redhat AS was terrible! Mandrake was a disaster |
| 03:53.11 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: red hat is pretty bad |
| 03:53.25 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: suse is ok, a little heavy on the kde though |
| 03:53.30 | Grant_ | :P |
| 03:53.47 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: i work on Suse with Zseries, and its nice |
| 03:53.56 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: i like gnome ;) |
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| 03:54.21 | xxxx | I wish they would put a later version of Gnome into Woody. |
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| 03:54.30 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: really? |
| 03:54.38 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: well to each their own |
| 03:54.48 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: What're you doing to your lappy that the fan comes on? |
| 03:54.49 | Grant_ | Im bored!!!! |
| 03:54.51 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: i used dos for a long time, i got tired of the monotone colors |
| 03:54.52 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: heh yea...not a big fan of eye candy |
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| 03:54.55 | Grant_ | Firewall Tutorials anyone have any |
| 03:54.56 | Grant_ | :D |
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| 03:55.11 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: I don't think I've heard the fan on my PB since I bought it. :) |
| 03:55.25 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: coolest thing about linux over Aix is, color terminals, eventhough you can do that with aix, but default in linux |
| 03:55.42 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: heh, you using virtual consoles and having backgrounds and all that? |
| 03:55.59 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: well, yea :p |
| 03:56.11 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: nothing wrong with that |
| 03:56.19 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: but you cant say you dont like eye candy ;) |
| 03:56.25 | guestish | afk for a min |
| 03:56.34 | SpandoFando | Solid colour backgrounds or images? |
| 03:56.35 | xxxx | Are there 673 people in this room? |
| 03:56.48 | SpandoFando | xxxx: No... |
| 03:56.56 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: i wish the documentation was in once place though, google is nice and all, but a central repositary would be sweet |
| 03:57.19 | Led_Zeppelin | SpandoFando: solid black color, with green or white |
| 03:57.29 | mwilson | xxxx: Room? |
| 03:57.42 | Grant_ | :S |
| 03:57.48 | xxxx | On Xchat is says 673 on the list on the right. |
| 03:57.52 | Led_Zeppelin | hey, anyone here work with PeopleSoft? |
| 03:58.07 | mwilson | xxxx: I doubt xchat says "room" anywhere. |
| 03:58.19 | mwilson | xxxx: This is, after all, not AOL. |
| 03:58.21 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: it's just sitting there... but it's running OS 9.2... so it's not surprising... |
| 03:58.22 | Led_Zeppelin | mwilson: do a grep on its src code :p |
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| 03:58.42 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: not to mention the fact that it's only a 400MHz box... compiling kernels and the ilk will bring the fan on after about 20 minutes... |
| 03:58.42 | mwilson | Led_Zeppelin: That'd require me to install it. XChat is crap, I see no reason to bother. |
| 03:59.03 | xxxx | WHat is wrong with Xchat? |
| 03:59.09 | mwilson | Led_Zeppelin: That'd be like installing crapfox or something. |
| 03:59.12 | Q3Man | is there any wayback-machine-like service for DNS records that records older ip's of dns addresses? |
| 03:59.21 | Led_Zeppelin | mwilson: firefox? I use that |
| 03:59.30 | Led_Zeppelin | mwilson: what do you use? |
| 03:59.31 | opp | how i can mount a usb1.1 hdd to linux? |
| 03:59.35 | mwilson | Led_Zeppelin: You have my sympathy. |
| 03:59.40 | Led_Zeppelin | mwilson: lol |
| 03:59.40 | opp | how i can mount a usb1.1 hdd to linux? |
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| 04:00.13 | Led_Zeppelin | opp: dmesg , and see if your USB drive is detected. |
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| 04:00.33 | opp | Led_Zeppelin, as root? |
| 04:00.37 | opp | user? |
| 04:00.42 | Led_Zeppelin | opp: umm, you need root to mount |
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| 04:00.53 | opp | okie, just a sec |
| 04:01.34 | Led_Zeppelin | opp: just login as root, then do "dmesg | page" |
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| 04:01.49 | xxxx | dmesg runs as user |
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| 04:02.27 | Led_Zeppelin | dmesg can also run as root |
| 04:02.49 | [Outlaw] | Hey guys, when you format a drive into ext3 or whatever, 10% is reserved for root, right? |
| 04:02.53 | [Outlaw] | Or something similar |
| 04:02.54 | opp | im plugging in the usb hdd now, must i switch off the pc? will it fry the box if i just plug into usb port while its running? |
| 04:02.57 | Led_Zeppelin | sorry, don't use page, use more or something.... |
| 04:03.02 | mwilson | 5%, generally. |
| 04:03.11 | Led_Zeppelin | opp: just plug it in...thats whats so special about USB |
| 04:03.12 | JoshH | opp: just plug it in |
| 04:03.19 | [Outlaw] | mwilson: Ah. Is there any way to stop that? For huge partitions that's a fair amount of room |
| 04:03.27 | mwilson | man tune2fs |
| 04:03.30 | SpandoFando | Good 'ol hotplug'n.. |
| 04:03.32 | mwilson | man mke2fs |
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| 04:03.36 | JoshH | opp: tail -f /var/log/messages while you plug it in, see if it detects it |
| 04:03.45 | Led_Zeppelin | [Outlaw]: probally for the journal....since ext3 is a journalized filesystem |
| 04:03.52 | [Outlaw] | Ok, thanks - what options am I looking for, exactly, do you know? ;) |
| 04:03.59 | mwilson | Led_Zeppelin: No, has nothing to do with the journal whatsoever. |
| 04:04.03 | Caesar | journalling |
| 04:04.21 | Caesar | tune2fs will tweak the root reserved amount |
| 04:04.34 | mwilson | What would the journal have to do with the percentage of blocks reserved, which is what he asked about? |
| 04:04.45 | Caesar | Nothing. I came in late. |
| 04:04.50 | mwilson | Other than nothing, of course. |
| 04:04.58 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: man and info house the documentation |
| 04:05.01 | Led_Zeppelin | mwilson: dude..I don't know. I am just trying to help. I am new to this Linux bussiness |
| 04:05.08 | [Outlaw] | Ah... "set the percentage of reserved filesystem blocks"? And that'll work on any volume? |
| 04:05.08 | xxxx | I have usb.c in my dmesg with nothing plugged in. |
| 04:05.25 | Caesar | Outlaw: yes. Probably good to unmount it first... |
| 04:05.29 | mwilson | On any filesystem that tune2fs can manipulate. |
| 04:05.29 | [Outlaw] | Aha |
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| 04:05.47 | [Outlaw] | Yep, this is for standard ext3. |
| 04:05.49 | mwilson | Other filesystems have equivalent tools. |
| 04:05.53 | [Outlaw] | Is it dangerous to set this lower than 5%? |
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| 04:06.04 | dasunt | Why would Woody on an alpha during an install give "bad magic" errors. |
| 04:06.06 | mwilson | Define "dangerous". |
| 04:06.06 | opp | JoshH, it shows the hdd model name brand... |
| 04:06.10 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: there is a central repository |
| 04:06.14 | opp | so whats next, is it working? |
| 04:06.14 | JoshH | opp: mount it then |
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| 04:06.15 | [Outlaw] | Well, is it likely things will break, that I'll lose data, etc.? |
| 04:06.17 | Caesar | Outlaw: If you don't have a need for it you can set it to zero |
| 04:06.22 | [Outlaw] | I don't know why, I'm just asking before I try it |
| 04:06.27 | JoshH | opp: create a mount point dir and mount it |
| 04:06.36 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: and www.tldp.com has an amazing repository of documentation |
| 04:06.42 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: cool...thanks |
| 04:06.53 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: ? |
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| 04:06.58 | mwilson | If you set the the reserved percentage to zero on your root partition, and something fills it up, it'll be a little hard for you to operate, yes? |
| 04:06.58 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: nice talking to you....its been fun. I have to get some sleep now. |
| 04:07.04 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: night |
| 04:07.05 | [Outlaw] | Yep |
| 04:07.07 | opp | JoshH, mnt poitn is /mnt?? |
| 04:07.12 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: i was afk, give me a break =P |
| 04:07.15 | [Outlaw] | Would you recommend keeping it to 1% or something? |
| 04:07.15 | opp | i think i have that already |
| 04:07.15 | Led_Zeppelin | Justin: later...thanks for your help |
| 04:07.31 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: what is afk? |
| 04:07.35 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: away from keyboard |
| 04:07.39 | mwilson | [Outlaw]: I don't recommend anything at all. |
| 04:07.40 | JoshH | opp: make a dir in /mnt for the device, like /mnt/usbdrive or something |
| 04:07.41 | Led_Zeppelin | oo okay |
| 04:07.45 | Caesar | Outlaw: It depends on the filesystem and what it's going to be used for. Keep it on /tmp, probably /, maybe not for /home for example |
| 04:07.46 | [Outlaw] | Ok. |
| 04:07.48 | guestish | :) |
| 04:07.54 | Led_Zeppelin | The_Vulture: peace....thanks for the help. |
| 04:07.55 | JoshH | opp: have you ever mounted anything before? |
| 04:07.56 | guestish | Led_Zeppelin: wasnt present at the computer |
| 04:07.59 | mwilson | [Outlaw]: If you don't have any reason to mess with it, leave it alone. |
| 04:08.04 | [Outlaw] | Oh, ok cool. Thanks for all your help guys. |
| 04:08.11 | [Outlaw] | mwilson: Well, I'd just like to get some more space back. |
| 04:08.19 | Led_Zeppelin | guestish: oo okay...lol |
| 04:08.20 | mwilson | Back from where? |
| 04:08.21 | Led_Zeppelin | ttyl |
| 04:08.31 | [Outlaw] | ...The 5% that's reserved :P |
| 04:08.38 | mwilson | Nothing has removed any space from your filesystem. |
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| 04:09.06 | [Outlaw] | Oh. Might leave it then |
| 04:09.12 | Caesar | Outlaw: It's not going to give you any more space, just 5% more that non-root users can use. |
| 04:09.16 | opp | JoshH,unfortunately, no.. |
| 04:09.35 | JoshH | opp: the device will probably be /dev/sda1, try this, as root |
| 04:09.40 | JoshH | mkdir /mnt/usbdrive |
| 04:09.56 | JoshH | then do mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive |
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| 04:10.10 | mwilson | If you're not running out of space on the filesystem, why are you worrying about it? If you ARE running out of space on the filesystem, why are you worrying about the reserved percentage rather than the actual reason you're running out of space? |
| 04:10.18 | opp | i got hda n hdb... in box |
| 04:10.27 | JoshH | in box? |
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| 04:10.58 | JoshH | usb mass storage devices are treated like scsi drives, i think... it should be /dev/sda1 |
| 04:11.02 | mwilson | Not that there aren't reasons to manipulate the percentage,,, that's why the tool exists. But if it's anything other than a very minor issue, you have bigger problems. |
| 04:11.16 | guestish | why is everything that isnt explictly supported treated like scsi?!?! |
| 04:11.18 | JimButton | mwilson: it all comes down to the classical shakespearean alternative: delete the porn or buy a new disc |
| 04:11.32 | opp | JoshH, in mc, why my floppy suddenly is red!!! |
| 04:11.37 | opp | is it dead? |
| 04:11.41 | JoshH | huh? |
| 04:11.51 | mwilson | JimButton: Or burn another CD... sheesh. |
| 04:11.55 | JimButton | heh |
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| 04:12.16 | mwilson | Besides, doesn't Mommy buy everyone DVD-R these days? |
| 04:12.28 | guestish | mwilson: na, too expensive |
| 04:12.44 | SpandoFando | JoshH: I think he means midnight commander.. |
| 04:13.03 | JoshH | opp: if you mean midnight commander, then i dont know, ive never used it |
| 04:13.18 | SpandoFando | opp: put a floppy in and mount it.. |
| 04:13.33 | cef | btw: Answer to my themes/styles issue in KDE (sid). New qt breaks kdelibs plugin support - new kdelibs due in sid tomorrow |
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| 04:14.13 | guestish | anyone know how to change the default window manager in gnome? |
| 04:14.15 | guestish | gnome2 |
| 04:14.37 | xxxx | control panel |
| 04:14.50 | guestish | what package has the control panel? |
| 04:14.57 | Caesar | guestish: it's managed by alternatives isn't it? |
| 04:15.12 | guestish | Caesar: dunno, thats why im asking |
| 04:15.12 | xxxx | control center |
| 04:15.15 | Xenguy | guestish: gnome-control-panel (I seem to recall) |
| 04:15.22 | opp | mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbdrive |
| 04:15.22 | opp | mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device |
| 04:15.25 | guestish | Xenguy: not for 2.6 |
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| 04:15.34 | guestish | Xenguy: at least i havent installed the package |
| 04:15.35 | Xenguy | guestish: ahh |
| 04:15.35 | opp | JoshH, the above ouput i got |
| 04:15.42 | xxxx | U dont have it under settings? |
| 04:15.48 | JoshH | its called something else then |
| 04:15.51 | Caesar | update-alternatives --display x-window-manager |
| 04:16.05 | JoshH | did the thing in /var/log/messages tell you what it called the device? |
| 04:16.08 | opp | JoshH, so do i find ouit what? |
| 04:16.33 | Xenguy | guestish: er, gnome-control-center here |
| 04:16.50 | opp | JoshH, can u go to #flood |
| 04:16.55 | guestish | Caesar: so how do i change it |
| 04:17.00 | Caesar | guestish: do you want to change window managers or window themes? |
| 04:17.11 | JoshH | there |
| 04:17.15 | xxxx | I thought control center was part of any gnome install |
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| 04:19.01 | guestish | Caesar: manager |
| 04:19.05 | Caesar | guestish: install another window manager package and man update-alternatives |
| 04:19.48 | mr-russ-win | I have an old debian potato server, are there any mirrors that have software available for this system? |
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| 04:20.13 | befud | hi |
| 04:20.27 | guestish | Caesar: i have like 10 |
| 04:20.29 | Caesar | mr-russ-win: I thought the mirrors carried it still as oldstable? |
| 04:20.37 | guestish | Caesar: gah, cryptic man page |
| 04:20.44 | scorphus | hi all |
| 04:20.54 | mr-russ-win | Caesar: possibly, I don't use debian a lot and don't like where to find stuff. maybe they do. |
| 04:21.07 | Caesar | guestish: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 04:21.21 | befud | I know this isn't the place but there are no channels that could help me, does anyone know of a flash calendar that drops down and inserts the date into the text field? |
| 04:21.32 | guestish | Caesar: thank you! |
| 04:21.42 | Caesar | mr-russ-win: Try archive.debian.org |
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| 04:22.15 | scorphus | I compiled kernel-source-2.4.18 for a woody on my sid, got error when trying to install it: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of kernel-image-2.4.18-586mmx |
| 04:22.27 | mr-russ-win | Caesar: thank you very muhc, I'll look around. It is just worthwhile dist-upgrade to woody anyway? |
| 04:22.30 | scorphus | kernel-image-2.4.18-586mmx depends on initrd-tools (>= 0.1.48); however: |
| 04:22.41 | scorphus | Version of initrd-tools on system is 0.1.32woody.3. |
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| 04:22.52 | scorphus | please help |
| 04:23.01 | xxxx | I had no problems with dist-upgrade |
| 04:23.06 | Caesar | mr-russ-win: absolutely. I think security updates for potato ceased a while ago |
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| 04:23.37 | guestish | is there a way to massively delete dangling symlinks? |
| 04:23.45 | guestish | to just purge them |
| 04:23.48 | xxxx | I think just plain upgrade will bring Woody |
| 04:23.54 | mwilson | Gods, people aren't still telling newbies to mess with alternatives as a substitute for configuring things properly, are they? |
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| 04:24.14 | guestish | mwilson: ? |
| 04:24.22 | xxxx | What does upgrade do to a potato system? |
| 04:24.29 | Caesar | mwilson: ? You mean that isn't the way to do it? |
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| 04:24.38 | mwilson | guestish: Forget that update-alternatives exists. |
| 04:24.41 | Caesar | xxxx: Read the woody release notes |
| 04:24.54 | mwilson | guestish: Actually, I know perfectly well that YOU know better. :) |
| 04:25.14 | guestish | mwilson: heh |
| 04:25.19 | guestish | mwilson: whats wrong with it? |
| 04:25.21 | Caesar | mwilson: For personal reference I'd like to know the alternative to using update-alternatives (no pun intended) |
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| 04:26.13 | mwilson | Caesar: The x-window-manager alternative is a system-level default, applied to *all users*. It is not meant for an individual user to use to change his preferential window manager. |
| 04:26.28 | dondelelcaro | guestish: yes. you can use stat with find to accomplish this. |
| 04:26.31 | guestish | mwilson: how would you change it? |
| 04:26.43 | Caesar | mwilson: I was thinking that to myself before when I suggested it. The other option is to dick with .xsession files and whatnot... |
| 04:26.51 | mwilson | guestish: A window manager capable of replacing metacity will support the --replace argument, same as metacity does. |
| 04:27.16 | dondelelcaro | guestish: like the following: find . -type l -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -iname '.*' -not -xtype d -print0 |
| 04:27.20 | guestish | mwilson: the problem is that i want to replace sawfish as the default window manager for metacity, but i dont know where the configuration setting is |
| 04:28.06 | mwilson | guestish: You have metacity now, and you want sawfish, or the other way around? |
| 04:28.06 | nnutter | guestish: gconf-editor |
| 04:28.09 | Caesar | mwilson: If a desktop system is being used solely by the one person, alternatives is just as good and probably a touch easier to do |
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| 04:28.17 | guestish | mwilson: you got it |
| 04:28.28 | guestish | mwilson: er, other way around |
| 04:28.30 | guestish | mwilson: sorry |
| 04:28.38 | Caesar | metacity is better than sawfish anyway IMHO |
| 04:28.47 | mwilson | Caesar: No. It's a complete Debianism and should never be taught to a newbie in preference to configuring things properly. |
| 04:28.55 | JoshH | guestish: export WINDOWMANAGER="/usr/bin/metacityorsawfish" |
| 04:29.06 | scorphus | could someone help me in a dependency problem when installing a compiled kernel? |
| 04:29.17 | mwilson | Caesar: As a particular point, note that you must be root in order to modify the alternative. |
| 04:29.43 | mwilson | guestish: Neither of those answers the question I asked you. :) |
| 04:29.47 | guestish | JoshH: that seems more temporary |
| 04:29.50 | Caesar | mwilson: Fair enough, although as I said before, in the case of a single user using it as his/her desktop, they're going to have root, but I take your point |
| 04:29.52 | guestish | mwilson: i have sawfish, i want to change to metacity |
| 04:30.12 | JoshH | guestish: killall sawfish && metacity & |
| 04:30.15 | guestish | mwilson: i can do it temporarily with the killall sawfish; metacity & hack, but i want something more permanent... |
| 04:30.23 | sigjuice | scorphus: sure |
| 04:30.29 | JoshH | guestish: exporting it is permanent iirc |
| 04:30.33 | mwilson | guestish: Then save your session. |
| 04:30.39 | JoshH | or ya, save the session |
| 04:30.46 | guestish | mwilson: ok, brb |
| 04:30.51 | Caesar | Interesting... |
| 04:30.54 | scorphus | sigjuice: thanks, I compiled my kernel for a woody on my sid |
| 04:31.02 | JoshH | hasnt metacity been the default for gnome since 2.2 or something? |
| 04:31.16 | scorphus | sigjuice: with this command: MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-2.95" make-kpkg --append_to_version -586mmx --revision=rev.01 --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
| 04:31.20 | mwilson | JoshH: Yes, I dunno how so many people get sawfish involved with it. |
| 04:31.25 | Caesar | scorphus: Take a look at pbuilder. It'll help avoid depedency mess ups from your build environment... |
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| 04:31.54 | guestish | mwilson: heh, its trying to load both WMs now |
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| 04:32.13 | mwilson | guestish: No, it's not. It can't. Neither will load if the other is running. One will win. |
| 04:32.28 | mickeyks | hi |
| 04:32.37 | scorphus | Caesar: thanks for the tip, browsing for the package |
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| 04:32.43 | guestish | mwilson: it just freezes |
| 04:32.52 | guestish | mwilson: i think its a draw |
| 04:33.05 | mwilson | Can't be. More likely neither is running. |
| 04:33.10 | mickeyks | mwilson: what mta do you use? |
| 04:33.21 | guestish | mwilson: could be, gnome wont load though |
| 04:33.28 | simonrvn | mail-transport-agent |
| 04:33.46 | mwilson | mickeyks: Me? exim3. I'm building up a box with exim4/and dovecot, but I keep finding better things to do than learning how IMAP works. :) |
| 04:34.00 | EzoNaan | where can i find a server list for netselect (if its possiblt to use one)? |
| 04:34.07 | JoshH | guestish: uninstall sawfish |
| 04:34.44 | guestish | JoshH: im looking for a slightly less permanent solution |
| 04:34.48 | guestish | mwilson: any ideas? |
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| 04:35.24 | JoshH | guestish: if you export the wm variable to be metacity, then save your gnome session, it should stay that way until you change it |
| 04:35.24 | mwilson | Since sawfish doesn't understand --replace, I imagine the setting that's launching it *is* stored in Gnome's I'm-not-a-registry-but-gee-I-look-like-one-but-wauwau-says-I'm-not registry. |
| 04:35.45 | guestish | mwilson: heh |
| 04:35.46 | mwilson | Namely gconf. |
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| 04:36.12 | guestish | screw it, sawfish gets the boot |
| 04:36.15 | mwilson | guestish: Never forget that the Gnome God-King knows far better than you how you should be using your computer. |
| 04:36.16 | chitiri | if i have us_intl as keymap, what should i use to put the upside interrogation mark (the contrary of '?') |
| 04:36.28 | JoshH | mwilson: not a gnome fan, i take it? |
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| 04:36.50 | mwilson | JoshH: Not a fan of the God-King and his mindless acolytes. |
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| 04:37.57 | mwilson | JoshH: Why, did you know that Gnome *invented* the concept of a spatial file manager? No? Neither does the rest of the world. </sarcasm> |
| 04:38.17 | JoshH | haha |
| 04:38.23 | mwilson | JoshH: Most people seem to think Apple did. |
| 04:38.33 | JoshH | i switched it back to the old way. i like gnome + industrial personally, just cause its secksy |
| 04:38.50 | mhall | Thank God for third-party hacked drivers. Since SonicBlue went bankrupt and changed hands, they quit making drivers for my MP3 player. I found a hacked problem that even lets me put VBR MP3s on it that it supposedly "doesn't support." I am playing one now and it works flawlessly. |
| 04:39.00 | JoshH | i dont feel that i need to change too many other settings from the defaults |
| 04:39.12 | mwilson | JoshH: Why, I'll bet that Apple stole it from Gnome. I'll bet they have a secret time machine so that they could come forward in time and steal it so they could implement it in System 7. |
| 04:39.27 | JoshH | i dont remember hearing gnome say they invented it though |
| 04:39.31 | mwilson | I do. |
| 04:39.41 | mhall | Can somebody tell me why anybody would encode a normal song MP3 (not a movie track, etc.) in anything but VBR from 0-320? Because it seems to me like that's the only sensible way to encode stuff. |
| 04:39.41 | JoshH | that was gay of them |
| 04:39.44 | mwilson | I have a WauWau quote somewhere that says that. |
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| 04:40.00 | Penix | Be must've stole the blueprints for that Apple time machine and stole the idea too |
| 04:40.05 | mhall | !tell JoshH about gay |
| 04:40.17 | SpandoFando | Haha.. |
| 04:40.19 | guestish | ha! found the registry key for the WM in gnome's registry |
| 04:40.24 | Penix | stolen rather |
| 04:40.36 | JoshH | hmmm |
| 04:40.38 | Xeon | Could anybody point me to an article on how to optimally configure a 2.6 kernel? The plethora of options confuses me, if I had a document that described each in detail I would be much appreciative. |
| 04:40.42 | guestish | its hidden |
| 04:40.46 | mwilson | guestish: Now, now... Gnome doesn't HAVE a registry! WauWau says so! |
| 04:40.49 | mhall | Penix Either that or they traveled faster than the speed of light? |
| 04:40.51 | Penix | guestish: *hiss* |
| 04:40.53 | guestish | mwilson: they lie! :) |
| 04:40.53 | troubled | Penix: you zoof |
| 04:41.00 | Penix | troubled: you rah00 |
| 04:41.03 | troubled | :) |
| 04:41.05 | troubled | sup |
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| 04:41.19 | guestish | mwilson: ok, its actually worse than a registry, you cant search it |
| 04:41.22 | mwilson | guestish: Yes, I know. |
| 04:41.38 | JoshH | lol |
| 04:41.50 | guestish | mwilson: turns out sawfish was the fallback window manager |
| 04:41.51 | JoshH | guestish: its still better than kde, if you need a full fledged DE |
| 04:41.55 | mhall | guestish *worse* than a registry? *shudder* |
| 04:42.01 | guestish | mhall: scary aint it? |
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| 04:42.12 | guestish | mhall: at least it isnt as overused |
| 04:42.40 | mhall | guestish Given the immense about of time I've adminned Windows and Linux, I think I can officially second your declaration of scariness. |
| 04:42.55 | mhall | amount * |
| 04:43.00 | guestish | heh |
| 04:43.10 | mwilson | Gnome's greatest problem is also their greatest strength... their HIG. KDE's greatest problem is that they don't have one. |
| 04:43.25 | alainm | how do you change the window manager in gnome? |
| 04:43.41 | JoshH | alainm: scroll up |
| 04:43.44 | mhall | guestish you know, question |
| 04:43.45 | mwilson | KDE is now trying to create a HIG through the use of KParts. |
| 04:43.46 | guestish | mwilson: well kde does have a standard layout though |
| 04:43.51 | mhall | ack, mistyped |
| 04:43.54 | mhall | guestish n/m |
| 04:43.56 | guestish | alainm: its hidden in gconf |
| 04:44.00 | guestish | mhall: ? |
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| 04:44.08 | sigjuice | why does """file sarge-powerpc-businesscard.iso""" say """sarge-powerpc-businesscard.iso: x86 boot sector"""? |
| 04:44.21 | mhall | sigjuice it's got a boot sector in it |
| 04:44.29 | mwilson | No, note the x86. |
| 04:44.41 | guestish | mwilson: is that whats its doing? doesnt sound like a bad idea. what i hate about kde is that stupid kdeinit thingy |
| 04:44.48 | mhall | mwilson *self-bitchslap* i should have seen that |
| 04:44.49 | guestish | mwilson: the rest isnt bad |
| 04:44.51 | alainm | Oh really.. |
| 04:45.07 | SpandoFando | is it possible to increase the RowsxColumns of text viewable when I ssh into my machine? |
| 04:45.22 | mhall | sigjuice you got a ppc? |
| 04:45.27 | mwilson | sigjuice: A fairly quick inspection will tell you if it actually has an ElTorito boot or if file is confused. |
| 04:45.33 | mhall | sigjuice i will burn and boot it and give it a test |
| 04:45.35 | guestish | Configuration Editor -> gnome -> applications -> window_manager |
| 04:45.41 | helix | eltorito is such a silly name to me |
| 04:45.49 | guestish | alainm: way back there |
| 04:45.52 | mhall | mwilson i wonder how precise the x86 boot sector magic rule is |
| 04:45.57 | sigjuice | I'd like to try the powerpc sarge image with pearpc |
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| 04:46.08 | mhall | mwilson because lots of random hunks of the kernel come up under that as well |
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| 04:46.20 | mhall | mwilson but i'd figure the backwards endianness would prevent it? |
| 04:46.37 | programmer90 | How well do cameras work in Linux, my friend has a digital camera and he is afraid if he installs linux, his camera may not be able to connect to it |
| 04:46.53 | helix | programmer90: they work fine |
| 04:46.55 | mhall | programmer90 does his camera come up as a hard disk letter in windows? |
| 04:46.56 | programmer90 | USB Camera |
| 04:46.57 | peterS | programmer90: google for the gphoto2 device compatibility list |
| 04:47.05 | programmer90 | Yes |
| 04:47.07 | peterS | programmer90: many, but not all, cameras are perfectly well supported |
| 04:47.12 | mwilson | mhall: I dunno... I've never seen file say that. |
| 04:47.17 | mhall | programmer90 if it comes up as a driver letter, you'll be fine |
| 04:47.21 | helix | man, gphoto2 has gotten *really* badass |
| 04:47.23 | mwilson | rei $ file systemrescuecd-x86-0.2.14.iso |
| 04:47.24 | mhall | mwilson try it against some of the kernel object files |
| 04:47.33 | mwilson | systemrescuecd-x86-0.2.14.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'Scd-x86-0.2.14 ' (bootable) |
| 04:47.36 | floppyears | does anybody use movixmaker-2 here? |
| 04:47.44 | helix | with 2.6 and unstable on the laptop i was using, all i had to do was plug the camera in and type gphoto2 -P |
| 04:47.47 | helix | et voila |
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| 04:48.03 | mhall | helix but it could have been the magic helix touch |
| 04:48.09 | peterS | helix: USB *is* a plug-n-play bus. no reason this stuff *shouldn't* be that easy (: |
| 04:48.20 | helix | mhall: nah, it would have broken immediately if that was the case ;) |
| 04:48.21 | mwilson | <shrug> All I have to do is mount the camera and use normal tools. |
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| 04:48.35 | helix | peterS: yeah, but my camera wasn't supported when i first installed debian (even on unstable) |
| 04:48.42 | peterS | helix: ahh |
| 04:48.43 | helix | so it took a very long night of annoyance |
| 04:48.55 | mwilson | I've never seen a point to gphoto. |
| 04:48.55 | helix | actually, i had to compile a new kernel |
| 04:48.59 | helix | futz around with all kinds of shit |
| 04:49.01 | helix | bleh! |
| 04:49.02 | peterS | helix: so that was a driver maturity issue which has since gone away |
| 04:49.13 | mhall | mwilson the one thing it might be good for is the non mass storage camera |
| 04:49.21 | helix | peterS: well, and gphoto2 supports my camera now, instead of me having to call it by a different name :) |
| 04:49.24 | mhall | mwilson some of the old ones don't use the mass storage spec |
| 04:49.32 | helix | mwilson: well, it's pretty easy |
| 04:49.35 | alainm | guestish: whats the top level.. which gnome |
| 04:49.36 | peterS | helix: right. by 'driver maturity' I meant the driver in gphoto2 |
| 04:49.54 | helix | peterS: oh, i thought you meant usb drivers |
| 04:49.55 | Xeon | Could anybody point me to an article on how to optimally configure a 2.6 kernel? The plethora of options confuses me, if I had a document that described each in detail I would be much appreciative. |
| 04:49.56 | helix | or something |
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| 04:50.19 | mhall | Xeon the general rule is that you have to know something about your hardware |
| 04:50.22 | peterS | helix: nah. perfectly valid assumption on your part, but gphoto2 usually uses direct access to the USB bus, so the drivers are in gphoto2 itself |
| 04:50.25 | mwilson | helix: If I connect the camera to the computer, it's because I want to get images out of it. Why wouldn't I just use cp? |
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| 04:50.33 | programmer90 | There is no Vivitar on the driver compatibility list for Gphoto : ) |
| 04:50.50 | peterS | mwilson: because, for reasons I cannot fathom, not all camera vendors decided to use the usb mass storage spec |
| 04:50.52 | helix | mwilson: i dunno, maybe you don't want to mount it? i have no idea how usb mass storage works, as i've never used it |
| 04:50.54 | mhall | Xeon also if you have a working 2.6 generic kernel, you can copy the config out of the running kernel, it's in /proc somewhere, and then steal it |
| 04:51.02 | guestish | alainm: gnome 2.6 |
| 04:51.03 | peterS | mwilson: those that didn't, invented their own protocols. again, I have no idea why |
| 04:51.09 | programmer90 | but, it does show up as a removable device in windozw L |
| 04:51.11 | peterS | mwilson: but given that reality, gphoto2 is your best bet for those |
| 04:51.33 | mwilson | peterS: Yes, but for today's generic camera, there's no reason for it. |
| 04:51.40 | mhall | programmer90 plug the camera in in windows and see if it comes up as a usb mass storage device and gets assigned a drive letter |
| 04:51.42 | alainm | guestish: i'm not running 2.6 yet |
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| 04:51.46 | zinx | peterS: it's because hardware makers suck |
| 04:51.49 | mhall | programmer90 If it does, IT WILL WORK. |
| 04:51.51 | alainm | is SID pretty sane right now? |
| 04:51.52 | peterS | mwilson: perhaps you know better than I. I know a lot of cameras don't use the mass storage class, but maybe newer ones all do |
| 04:51.53 | guestish | alainm: i doubt its different for any of the 2.x series |
| 04:51.58 | peterS | zinx: well, yeah (: |
| 04:52.02 | mhall | programmer90 and I don't put it that way to be mean |
| 04:52.03 | zinx | peterS: they think proprietary protocols that no one else knows somehow make them better than everyone else |
| 04:52.05 | Xeon | say I know my hardware like the back of my hand, but some options in there are just so cryptic and cystic I become afraid to touch anything. |
| 04:52.09 | roy4lty | im using knoppix to do a debian install. it says "I: Retrieving deboostrap.invalid_dists_woody_Release" and its been sitting there for about 10 minutes. is this step supposed to take a while? |
| 04:52.09 | helix | mwilson: i think there is a front-end for it as well which *may* have something to do with it |
| 04:52.12 | mhall | programmer90 I put it that way to be 100% clear |
| 04:52.21 | programmer90 | It is, in fact in windows i had to install a USB mass sotrage driver for win98 |
| 04:52.38 | programmer90 | and it comes up as F: |
| 04:52.40 | peterS | programmer90: in that case, it'll work fine in linux. linux has perfectly good usb mass storage support |
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| 04:52.43 | alainm | guestish: all i have as the top level is APPS DESKTOP SCHEMAS SYSTEM |
| 04:52.47 | alainm | :( |
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| 04:53.11 | guestish | alainm: under desktop |
| 04:53.21 | alainm | guestish: found it |
| 04:53.25 | guestish | alainm: k |
| 04:53.27 | alainm | guestish: thx |
| 04:53.49 | guestish | np |
| 04:54.00 | roy4lty | anyone? |
| 04:54.09 | mhall | programmer90 it will work |
| 04:54.15 | alainm | guestish: nothing is set |
| 04:54.16 | helix | roy4lty: #knoppix |
| 04:54.23 | roy4lty | ok |
| 04:54.33 | guestish | alainm: well then, set something if you want |
| 04:54.36 | mwilson | helix: Here's an example of why I don't like front-ends... at work, a department bought a new camera. They wanted support for it on two different computers, you have to be an admin to install the software/drivers, so I go over there to do it. Do the first one, connect the camera, make sure it works, etc. Go do the second one, and the nifty front-end won't download the images from the camera. Why not? Because the first one already HAD. |
| 04:55.00 | peterS | mwilson: ahh. it downloaded everything without asking. cute. |
| 04:55.01 | mwilson | helix: It hadn't deleted them or anything, they were still there, but you could forget about the spiffy front-end for getting them out. |
| 04:55.16 | helix | mwilson: oh wow, that's dumb. |
| 04:55.30 | alainm | guestish: whats your thoughts on Enlightenment? |
| 04:55.30 | peterS | mwilson: wait ... that's nonsensical. the camera had a flag for whether an image had already been downloaded or not? stupid. |
| 04:55.42 | mwilson | peterS: Yep. A non-resettable one. |
| 04:55.53 | guestish | alainm: its enlightening |
| 04:55.54 | mwilson | peterS: Or non-resettable as far as I can find, anyway. |
| 04:55.55 | mhall | mwilson that is god-awful |
| 04:56.02 | mhall | mwilson you are surely trolling? |
| 04:56.15 | peterS | mwilson: was it usb-storage based? if so, the 'mattrib' command from mtools might have been of some use |
| 04:56.25 | mwilson | mhall: How is describing an actual experience trolling? |
| 04:56.31 | mhall | mwilson just checking |
| 04:56.36 | peterS | mwilson: basically, it might have been implemented with the 'archive' bit of the vfat directory entry, or something like that |
| 04:56.47 | alainm | guestish: what would i put as the gconf setting? |
| 04:56.57 | guestish | alainm: your window manager of choice |
| 04:56.59 | programmer90 | Can I Troll? |
| 04:57.03 | mwilson | peterS: Oh, I just shot the front-end, mounted the camera directly, and copied what we wanted. |
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| 04:57.07 | mhall | programmer90 WNBT |
| 04:57.08 | guestish | programmer90: if you dont mind being banned |
| 04:57.11 | mhall | !tell programmer90 about WNBT |
| 04:57.12 | peterS | mwilson: good call |
| 04:57.26 | programmer90 | oh hwh |
| 04:57.29 | mwilson | peterS: Thank you, Canon. |
| 04:57.35 | programmer90 | I dont mind being banned |
| 04:57.36 | troubled | peterS: heya! ltns :) |
| 04:57.37 | peterS | programmer90: you can try trolling, but I've spotted two or three ops lately, so you won't get very far |
| 04:57.43 | peterS | troubled: heya |
| 04:57.46 | programmer90 | sorry |
| 04:57.47 | programmer90 | heh |
| 04:57.47 | peterS | mwilson: indeed |
| 04:57.59 | troubled | helix: congrats on your new status *bow* |
| 04:58.12 | mhall | programmer90 yuo is n0t teh all0w3d 70 7r011!!11!!!111!!!!1111!1 |
| 04:58.13 | helix | troubled: thanks! it's hard to be in a man's body.. |
| 04:58.18 | troubled | lol |
| 04:58.21 | mwilson | Ok, what did I miss? |
| 04:58.21 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.22 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.27 | troubled | peterS: lol close :) |
| 04:58.33 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.34 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.36 | mhall | helix gender change operation? hard core... |
| 04:58.40 | helix | GOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL |
| 04:58.41 | troubled | mwilson: you missed some jerk messing up peterS's lol figure |
| 04:58.45 | helix | mhall: i want respect! |
| 04:58.46 | troubled | ;) |
| 04:58.48 | guestish | lol |
| 04:58.57 | mhall | helix i would respect you either way |
| 04:59.01 | troubled | peterS: lol, nice recovery heh |
| 04:59.11 | peterS | troubled: we aim to please |
| 04:59.14 | helix | oh my god, you guys are trying to make an loldude forest |
| 04:59.21 | troubled | :) |
| 04:59.24 | mwilson | mhall: If she's not an Erinn any more, what is he now? Eric? :) |
| 04:59.25 | peterS | helix: I am not. I just wanted one good one |
| 04:59.29 | troubled | helix: dont give him any ideas heh |
| 04:59.47 | peterS | helix: you'll note that I passed up two opportunities in the past 2 minutes, because I already had a good one in |
| 04:59.48 | mhall | mwilson you know what's odd about that? that's what my cousins are named. hehe |
| 04:59.50 | guestish | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:59.50 | guestish | \ / |
| 04:59.50 | guestish | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.00 | guestish | hrm |
| 05:00.09 | mwilson | Actually, I always wondered about the two n's |
| 05:00.10 | guestish | bah, interprets it as a command |
| 05:00.10 | guestish | lol |
| 05:00.12 | helix | guestish: are you retarded? |
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| 05:00.24 | mhall | mwilson typographical error on a birth certificate? |
| 05:00.27 | guestish | helix: no, i dont think so, but i wouldnt know if i was then would i? |
| 05:00.29 | Penix | looks like it |
| 05:00.30 | helix | mwilson: :P they were talking about me becoming an op, i think |
| 05:00.59 | peterS | helix: but that's not new |
| 05:00.59 | Penix | guestish: well, you said you don't think so. there's still a chance |
| 05:01.11 | mhall | mwilson i met a guy here whose parents changed his name because he was adopted. they forgot to spell out his full middle name "Richard" and put "R" thinking that the court would know they meant the full thing |
| 05:01.16 | mhall | mwilson so now his middle name is R |
| 05:01.19 | guestish | Penix: just like theirs a chance that you are actually mature |
| 05:01.26 | helix | Penix: nah, it isn't but.. *shrug* i can't think of what else i'd be congratulated for |
| 05:01.29 | guestish | their is* |
| 05:01.33 | guestish | there |
| 05:01.36 | mhall | helix i used to be an op but i got kicked from the list |
| 05:01.36 | guestish | gah |
| 05:01.36 | mwilson | mhall: Yes, you have to remember that courts are stupid. |
| 05:01.39 | guestish | lol |
| 05:01.39 | cef | duplicating a consonant on the end of a name is quite common in some parts of the world |
| 05:01.49 | helix | mhall: ah, that's such a big surprise.. |
| 05:01.53 | mhall | helix probably a good thing |
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| 05:02.04 | mhall | helix i'll choose to ignore the sarcastic remark |
| 05:02.18 | helix | mwilson: as far as the second 'n', i have no idea; my mom thought it would make me different or something |
| 05:02.25 | helix | what actually happened is that now everyone misspells my name |
| 05:02.37 | mwilson | helix: Did it work? ^_^ |
| 05:02.40 | peterS | helix: what, "aaronn"? |
| 05:02.41 | mhall | helix i don't get along with so many of the operators and generally don't think i necessarily agree with the way the channel is run |
| 05:02.55 | helix | mwilson: don't i strike you as perfectly normal and average? :) |
| 05:02.56 | Penix | naming a child seems to be one of the best reasons to conform to a standard |
| 05:02.59 | peterS | mhall: it doesn't seem to take much disagreement to get an op thrown out |
| 05:03.04 | cef | helix: my middle name is 'glenn' .. in my case it's of scottish origin |
| 05:03.05 | peterS | mhall: so I am no more surprised than helix is |
| 05:03.07 | helix | mhall: ah, you should talk to peterS :) |
| 05:03.16 | helix | you guys can form a #debian-anarchists or something |
| 05:03.19 | mwilson | helix: What did you get for a middle name? |
| 05:03.24 | helix | erm. s/anarchists/libertarians/ :PP |
| 05:03.27 | helix | mwilson: kelly |
| 05:03.31 | peterS | helix: IANAL |
| 05:03.42 | helix | librarians? :( |
| 05:03.42 | mhall | peterS IANALBIPOO/. |
| 05:03.49 | mwilson | Ok, your parents really went in for the Irish-ness, didn't they? |
| 05:03.59 | helix | mwilson: yeah.. but i have no irish ancestry |
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| 05:04.07 | Penix | but you pee on otters? |
| 05:04.11 | peterS | helix: ok, so I am pretty much a libertarian. I just couldn't resist the opportunity to misuse the IANAL acronym |
| 05:04.19 | Penix | !britsmite mhall |
| 05:04.19 | mhall | Penix but I play one on slashdot |
| 05:04.20 | helix | mwilson: oh, btw - i saw your reply to my uxterm stuff on d-u (i'm not subscribed so i just saw it the other day) |
| 05:04.32 | helix | mwilson: i use urxvt now so it doesn't matter, but thanks for replying anyway |
| 05:04.51 | helix | peterS: reminds me of the user friendly cartoon |
| 05:04.54 | mwilson | What's urxvt? I know what rxvt-unicode is, but that sounds like something different. |
| 05:04.56 | Penix | if I ever go to america, I'm going to an Arby's |
| 05:04.57 | helix | they make the dude say "I Anal" |
| 05:04.58 | helix | it rules |
| 05:05.03 | fbb | is there some way i can allocate xmms a certain amount of bandwidth that other apps cant touch? |
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| 05:05.04 | peterS | helix: oh dear |
| 05:05.05 | helix | mwilson: yeah, it's the same thing |
| 05:05.11 | SpandoFando | I can see Arby's from where I am right now.. |
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| 05:05.24 | mhall | Penix you probably won't like it all that much, it's not the best roast beef |
| 05:05.25 | SpandoFando | it's about...40' from me.. |
| 05:05.27 | peterS | mwilson: kind of like the difference between gvim and vim-perl. binary name, package name |
| 05:05.28 | Penix | SpandoFando: that's so sad |
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| 05:05.35 | guestish | fun |
| 05:05.40 | mwilson | helix: Ah, I tried it, I wasn't impressed. Has all of rxvt's bugs. But I'm not doing unicode either, so by all means, use what works. |
| 05:05.41 | mhall | Penix if you have to pick a fast food joint, i suggest in-n-out |
| 05:05.44 | \Igor\ | fbb: you should look into traffic shaping |
| 05:05.53 | Penix | mhall: eww |
| 05:05.54 | SpandoFando | Penix: I used to work in one..the same one that's 40' from me...sickest place EVER.. |
| 05:06.03 | maher | por favor - does anyone have a copy for drvspace.bin from win98 or earlier they would like to send me? |
| 05:06.05 | helix | mwilson: yeah, i guess i haven't checked the bugs yet. the only problem i've had so far is getting it to display transparently with a tint.. |
| 05:06.19 | SpandoFando | The beef comes in a large sausage casing basically, processed into a paste.. |
| 05:06.26 | peterS | dondelelcaro: yaboot is only used on macs, right? |
| 05:06.28 | helix | oh my |
| 05:06.28 | peterS | dondelelcaro: not other powerpcs? |
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| 05:06.43 | dondelelcaro | peterS: dunno, actually... |
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| 05:06.52 | mhall | Penix the name is bad but it has the best burgers, fries, and shakes around |
| 05:07.07 | peterS | dondelelcaro: ah. thought you might know. I'm mighty puzzled by the existence of debian-installer images for yaboot on RS/6000. AFAIK, that combination doesn't exist |
| 05:07.12 | dondelelcaro | mhall: there are better shakes, but everything else is good... |
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| 05:07.27 | mwilson | in-n-out is the best. |
| 05:07.30 | Penix | it's just always made out to be so awful, but also so good |
| 05:07.35 | mhall | dondelelcaro i was comparing to other fast food joints but ok |
| 05:07.50 | peterS | maher: ahh, if I were at work I know where a floppy of that is. unfortunately I'm not.. :/ |
| 05:07.57 | dondelelcaro | mhall: oh... well, that's pretty much true... I actually like dairy queen's malts better... |
| 05:08.25 | helix | hmm |
| 05:08.35 | mhall | dondek you can't get those here |
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| 05:08.40 | helix | dondek! |
| 05:08.42 | mhall | dondelelcaro you can't get those here |
| 05:08.43 | mickeyks | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:08.45 | mickeyks | shit |
| 05:08.52 | peterS | mickeyks rhymes |
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| 05:09.12 | mwilson | mickeyks is cool... he's what all Debian new-folk should be like. |
| 05:09.23 | guestish | which is? |
| 05:09.23 | helix | mwilson: he's not new |
| 05:09.23 | dondelelcaro | mhall: uh, in southern california? You sure can. |
| 05:09.26 | helix | he's been around for over a year |
| 05:09.55 | cef | helix: in mwilson's eyes.. that's new |
| 05:10.00 | mhall | dondelelcaro dude, i am in stockton |
| 05:10.04 | helix | cef: heh, true |
| 05:10.10 | mhall | dondelelcaro and that's shit's not on the menu, last i checked |
| 05:10.16 | mhall | dondelelcaro unless it's an off-menu item |
| 05:10.38 | mwilson | Ok, now TWO channels I'm in are talking about food. It's *unfair*! |
| 05:10.52 | cef | hrm.. go eat, or go shave |
| 05:10.59 | mhall | cef eat |
| 05:11.16 | dondelelcaro | mhall: it's not on the menu... and there's one in sacramento, apparently... |
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| 05:11.25 | Penix | shave on your way to food |
| 05:11.30 | cef | mhall: I'm thinking both.. |
| 05:11.31 | mhall | dondelelcaro ok, i will ask next time and find out |
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| 05:11.48 | mwilson | Ok, all I have to eat here is gummi bears |
| 05:11.49 | cef | Penix: hard.. cars are not well suited for shaving |
| 05:11.54 | peterS | poor mwilson |
| 05:11.55 | mwilson | Everything else requires cooking. |
| 05:12.06 | JimButton | mwilson: you eat gummi bears raw? |
| 05:12.08 | dondelelcaro | mhall: but that's at dairy queen... not at in-n-out... |
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| 05:12.09 | JimButton | ... |
| 05:12.16 | peterS | JimButton: you cook yours? |
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| 05:12.36 | dondelelcaro | there are only a few places which understand what the hell carnation malted milk is good for. |
| 05:12.43 | cef | hrm.. bbk <--- beard loss time |
| 05:12.50 | mwilson | What *is* it good for? ^_^ |
| 05:12.53 | JimButton | dondelelcaro: wofuer? |
| 05:12.59 | helix | mwilson: you need pizza dude |
| 05:13.08 | mwilson | helix: I'm cutting back. |
| 05:13.13 | helix | oh |
| 05:13.15 | helix | why? |
| 05:13.16 | mwilson | No pizza more than once a week. |
| 05:13.18 | helix | pizza is goooooooood |
| 05:13.18 | helix | ah |
| 05:13.21 | guestish | mwilson: i'd go with chinese food, nothing beats chow mein :) |
| 05:13.25 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: making malts! and making malted milk balls... |
| 05:13.28 | mwilson | Because it gets *expensive*. |
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| 05:13.41 | cef | thai food is better.. mmmmmm |
| 05:13.42 | helix | i guess |
| 05:13.42 | dondelelcaro | (although, if you don't like whoppers, you'll probably not like malts...) |
| 05:13.43 | peterS | mwilson: depends on where you get your pizza, really |
| 05:13.45 | helix | i hardly ever eat it |
| 05:13.47 | mwilson | guestish: There is *no* good Chinese take-out in San Diego. |
| 05:13.48 | Bovine | Is there not a dmfe module yet for the 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:13.51 | guestish | heh |
| 05:14.02 | mhall | mwilson don't you have a bunch of unused vacation days, etc? |
| 05:14.04 | peterS | Bovine: I thought there was. it's under 'kernel/drivers/net/tulip/' |
| 05:14.07 | mwilson | helix: I hope it's not hospital food. |
| 05:14.09 | mhall | mwilson you should have $ for pizza |
| 05:14.25 | mwilson | mhall: I think I have 50 or so days... how did you know? |
| 05:14.29 | guestish | well go 2 hours northish and get some here =D |
| 05:14.33 | mhall | mwilson you said before |
| 05:14.52 | mwilson | I stopped accruing vacation days a couple years ago. |
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| 05:15.00 | mwilson | Hit the ceiling. |
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| 05:15.13 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: that's an indication that you need to take some vacation time... |
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| 05:15.17 | guestish | nvm, that wouldntbe san diego |
| 05:15.22 | helix | haha, yeah |
| 05:15.27 | guestish | san diego, dont they have good mexican food there? |
| 05:15.43 | mwilson | guestish: Not particularly. |
| 05:15.54 | dondelelcaro | guestish: it's gringish... but gringish mexican food is often better, anyway... |
| 05:16.15 | mwilson | I don't know of a decent *Mexican* restaraunt. |
| 05:16.21 | guestish | dondelelcaro: i like it, you just gotta ask for hot sauce |
| 05:16.25 | mwilson | Everything is as dondelelcaro says. |
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| 05:16.30 | guestish | heh |
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| 05:17.30 | mwilson | We used to have a place called Chopstick Charlie's... despite the insipid name, they delivered the *best* Chinese. |
| 05:17.34 | peterS | yeah, as the expression goes, "as American as Taco Bell" |
| 05:17.53 | helix | mmm, bean burritos |
| 05:17.57 | helix | bah |
| 05:18.02 | helix | and they're closed here |
| 05:18.07 | dondelelcaro | peterS: ah, Taco Hell... |
| 05:18.10 | peterS | !lose helix |
| 05:18.10 | dpkg | helix: You Lose. |
| 05:18.10 | mwilson | Now everything around here is on the level of Panda Express |
| 05:18.11 | helix | i hate living in an area with old white people that go to sleep at 9pm |
| 05:18.18 | dondelelcaro | helix: they're not open 24 hours a day? WTF? |
| 05:18.20 | guestish | ouch, thats really sad... |
| 05:18.26 | helix | dondelelcaro: isn't that fucking SICK? |
| 05:18.29 | mwilson | Yeah, PE is pretty nasty. |
| 05:18.31 | dondelelcaro | man, even the del scorcho is open 24 hours a day. |
| 05:18.40 | helix | that's what i get for living in a safe part of town.. |
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| 05:19.00 | helix | well, there are probably some that aren't too far away that are open |
| 05:19.02 | guestish | PE is like the americanized version of chinese fast food |
| 05:19.05 | helix | but the one down the street closes at midnight |
| 05:19.09 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: yick. yeah, too many palefaces working at PE. |
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| 05:19.32 | helix | these bots are freaking me out |
| 05:19.34 | JoshH | the orange chicken at PE rocks though |
| 05:19.52 | JoshH | dondelelcaro: the PE's by me are all full of mexicans |
| 05:19.55 | JoshH | no palefaces |
| 05:20.01 | mwilson | Here, too. |
| 05:20.16 | helix | all the fast food places here are full of zitfaces |
| 05:20.36 | dondelelcaro | JoshH: first clue: if a ethnic restaurant has a majority of people not of that ethnicity, run away as fast as you can. |
| 05:20.37 | mwilson | I want greek. That's what I crave tonight. |
| 05:20.42 | JoshH | and you wonder if their face is going to drip onto your grub |
| 05:20.44 | helix | mmmm |
| 05:20.48 | guestish | greek? man, i wish i had a greek place near me... |
| 05:20.57 | helix | i want middle eastern :( |
| 05:20.59 | mwilson | There's a great one near where I work. |
| 05:21.01 | dondelelcaro | mmmmm falafel |
| 05:21.02 | JoshH | we have tons of greek places here |
| 05:21.05 | helix | hm, i have chick peas.. |
| 05:21.11 | guestish | we have not a single greek place here |
| 05:21.18 | helix | actually, now that i think of it |
| 05:21.28 | helix | i ate at a middle eastern restaurant in brasil and their food OWNED |
| 05:21.32 | helix | so i dunno |
| 05:21.38 | helix | the owners were not middle eastern |
| 05:21.39 | guestish | gyros are delicious |
| 05:21.46 | mwilson | Define "middle eastern food". |
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| 05:21.53 | JoshH | curry? |
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| 05:21.59 | xine | is there a good way to backup the system and restore without restarting, or needing a boot disk to do it? i am on a user-mode-linux type setup. |
| 05:22.00 | guestish | curry is asian |
| 05:22.03 | guestish | i think |
| 05:22.08 | mwilson | Indian. |
| 05:22.10 | dondelelcaro | helix: it can happen... but it's definetly rare... If you know the place, it's a different story, of course... |
| 05:22.11 | JoshH | shishkabobs? |
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| 05:22.13 | JimButton | mwilson: falafel :) |
| 05:22.16 | dondelelcaro | !tell SpandoFando about away |
| 05:22.17 | guestish | well its thai and indian |
| 05:22.28 | mwilson | JimButton: hummus |
| 05:22.30 | sgeigerbot | damn...I forgot that "knoppix" has been silenced.... |
| 05:22.36 | programmer90 | How hard is it to set up a digital camera? can i just plug it in or do i put it in fstab or something? |
| 05:22.53 | dondelelcaro | programmer90: plug it in, and use gphoto2, or mount the silly thing. |
| 05:22.53 | JoshH | im not a sophisticated diner, i just rotate burgers, pizza, chinese, and taco bell, with the occasional mac and cheese or decent restaraunt |
| 05:23.08 | peterS | dondelelcaro: yeah, we've got so many important debian-related things to discuss in here right now, it's just terrible that SpandoFando has an auto-away spamming us for a line |
| 05:23.09 | guestish | JoshH: you gotta vary your pallet :) |
| 05:23.09 | mwilson | You know, it's the weirdest thing... you know who does good hummus? California Pizza Kitchen. |
| 05:23.21 | sgeigerbot | programmer90: just get a usb card reader. Super simple... |
| 05:23.24 | JoshH | cpk rocks |
| 05:23.31 | dondelelcaro | peterS: hey, his autoaway broke my food oriented train of thought! ;-) |
| 05:23.38 | guestish | lol |
| 05:23.41 | peterS | dondelelcaro: oh, I see |
| 05:23.56 | mwilson | CPK deleted my fave pizza... I'm very unhappy with them. |
| 05:24.02 | sgeigerbot | programmer90: otherwise, you have to jump certain hurdles for camera-specific issues...and that might not always work, in my experience. |
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| 05:24.09 | guestish | last time i had CPK was at the airport... |
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| 05:24.18 | JoshH | the artichoke dip at cpk kicks ass too |
| 05:24.20 | sgeigerbot | programmer90: otherwise gphoto2 might work for you... |
| 05:24.21 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: they won't make it special? |
| 05:24.33 | programmer90 | MAYBE IT WILLL! |
| 05:24.34 | JoshH | programmer90: is it a usb mass storage device? |
| 05:24.38 | programmer90 | Yes |
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| 05:25.02 | JoshH | it should be easy then, just put a line in your stab and mount it |
| 05:25.06 | JoshH | my line looks like this |
| 05:25.08 | programmer90 | IS that a good thang? |
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| 05:25.10 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: They used to do this portobello 'shroom and garlic chicken pizza... I *love* PB 'shrooms. |
| 05:25.11 | programmer90 | ok thats cool |
| 05:25.13 | JoshH | /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera auto defaults,users,noauto 0 0 |
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| 05:25.26 | programmer90 | k thanx |
| 05:25.29 | JoshH | np |
| 05:25.29 | helix | mmmm, mushrooms |
| 05:25.38 | programmer90 | i heard that needs SCSI-Emulaton, is that true? |
| 05:25.39 | helix | hm, i want bellpeppers |
| 05:25.41 | JoshH | yes |
| 05:25.45 | programmer90 | k |
| 05:25.49 | JoshH | and the device will be /dev/sda1 |
| 05:25.49 | peterS | programmer90: well, not scsi emulation, per se |
| 05:25.53 | peterS | programmer90: it's called "usb-storage" |
| 05:25.56 | paxl | what program can I use to rip/encode mp3 from buyed cd WIth Id3 ? |
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| 05:25.59 | programmer90 | k |
| 05:26.07 | mwilson | portobello's are yummy... get really big ones and you can grill the caps like they were hanburgers. |
| 05:26.11 | peterS | programmer90: it *is* scsi emulation, of a sort, but isn't really called that |
| 05:26.12 | guestish | if linux is so monolithic, why does it have modules? |
| 05:26.16 | peterS | programmer90: you also need the "sd_mod" module |
| 05:26.23 | JoshH | its not so monolithic |
| 05:26.25 | peterS | guestish: it isn't monolithic |
| 05:26.26 | mwilson | Expensive as all hell, but YUMMY. |
| 05:26.27 | programmer90 | k ill writrwe that down |
| 05:26.34 | peterS | guestish: it's only monolithic in its core architecture |
| 05:26.39 | mhall | Can anybody tell me how to get a raw rip of an audio CD in Linux? dd gave I/O errors on an audio CD. |
| 05:26.44 | guestish | peterS: oh, i see |
| 05:26.47 | JoshH | programmer90: it will probably load the modules automatically when you plug it in |
| 05:26.48 | peterS | mhall: cdparanoia |
| 05:26.56 | peterS | mhall: as in: cdparanoia -Bvz 1- |
| 05:27.01 | programmer90 | k| |
| 05:27.06 | mhall | peterS will it rip me up an ISO or a bin/cue with subcode? |
| 05:27.16 | peterS | mhall: it'll give you audio tracks as wav files |
| 05:27.47 | peterS | mhall: if you need something more "raw" than that, I think cdrdao has some means to do this |
| 05:27.50 | mhall | peterS my goal is to find a way to rip any cd, audio or data, with the same procedure, then keep it for later |
| 05:27.56 | guestish | mhall: cdrdao will give you an image of a cd if you want one |
| 05:27.59 | guestish | oops |
| 05:28.02 | programmer90 | ANother question too, i have a cdrom drive and a cdr drive and i followed the newbiedoc and did what it said but now i get "BAD FS TYPE" on both drives |
| 05:28.03 | guestish | er, yeah, thats right |
| 05:28.04 | sbk | peterS: as I understand it, basically Tanenbaum would have preferred modules to not be able to access any "core kernel" memory |
| 05:28.08 | mhall | peterS so i am just trying to find a way that ignores what the data is, and rips totally raw |
| 05:28.23 | peterS | sbk: correct. they're supposed to behave like separate user processes that happen to have certain privileges |
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| 05:28.31 | mwilson | mhall: It's not that simple... data and audio aren't structured the same on the disc. |
| 05:28.32 | guestish | mhall: cdrdao |
| 05:28.37 | guestish | i think |
| 05:28.51 | peterS | mhall: probably cdrdao can hide the differences for you so as to give you the simple procedure you want |
| 05:28.54 | peterS | mhall: I haven't used it, though |
| 05:29.19 | guestish | it creates a bin/cue afaik |
| 05:29.46 | sbk | peterS: speaking for myself, I'm more for not having a dichotomy between kernel and user :) but that's a different sort of os architecture war or something |
| 05:29.59 | peterS | sbk: go use netware |
| 05:30.16 | programmer90 | Has anyone checked out SkyOS? |
| 05:30.19 | peterS | sbk: then come back when you get tired of apps ("NLMs") crashing your whole machine every now and then |
| 05:30.51 | mhall | mwilson right, but should they both be mode 1 2352? |
| 05:30.52 | dogayonv | never heard of skyos |
| 05:30.58 | programmer90 | wait a sec |
| 05:31.03 | mhall | mwilson at the subcode level they ought to both be the same |
| 05:31.13 | programmer90 | skyos.org |
| 05:31.22 | mhall | mwilson also, why does dd error out when i try to use it to do the rip of an audio cd? |
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| 05:31.26 | programmer90 | supposed to be the OS of the future heh |
| 05:31.27 | guestish | mhall: what are you really trying to do? extract audio or making a duplicate of a disk? |
| 05:31.37 | peterS | mhall: 2352 is the size of an audio CD sector. data CDs have sectors of 2048 bytes. I don't know how this relates to the cdrdao command line parameter |
| 05:31.38 | programmer90 | still in development but it looks nicer |
| 05:31.40 | sbk | peterS: like anything else, everything has its place and tradeoffs, but anyway. like I said, it's some sort of ideological war sometimes |
| 05:31.49 | mhall | peterS |
| 05:31.57 | zinx | mhall: use cdrdao read-cd |
| 05:32.02 | mhall | peterS wrong. both are 2352 if you rip raw with subcode |
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| 05:32.23 | dogayonv | so its called skyos because the menubar is at the top then :) LOL |
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| 05:32.37 | guestish | mhall: ... |
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| 05:32.57 | zinx | mhall: both are 2352+96 if you rip raw with subcodes (depending on how many subcodes you rip) |
| 05:33.35 | mwilson | Why is it so important to rip the CD? |
| 05:33.39 | peterS | mhall: dd errs out on audio CDs because Linux does not present raw bits to the block device. this shouldn't be surprising |
| 05:34.12 | mhall | mwilson i have a laptop and i want a procedure that will work the exact same for any disc so i don't have to waste battery doing special rips/encodes |
| 05:34.23 | peterS | mhall: with data CDs, /dev/hdc or whatever gives you the 2048-byte error-corrected sectors. you need to talk ATAPI with the ide-scsi driver (or ide-cd in kernel 2.6) to get "raw" anything. no matter audio or data or VCD or what |
| 05:34.27 | mhall | peterS so then what device does cdrdao connect to? |
| 05:34.31 | The_Vulture | mhall: cdrdao read-cd |
| 05:34.40 | peterS | mhall: most likely /dev/sg0, which is connected to ide-scsi |
| 05:34.42 | mhall | The_Vulture yeah, i am gonna go try it asap |
| 05:34.44 | The_Vulture | works every time in my experience |
| 05:34.52 | mwilson | mhall: You have the actual disc, why do you need to rip it? |
| 05:35.06 | mhall | mwilson couple reasons |
| 05:35.06 | guestish | mhall: you want the audio tracks? |
| 05:35.09 | The_Vulture | mwilson: copies for "backup" purposes I assume.. |
| 05:35.22 | mhall | mwilson takes less batteries to use hard disk over optical drive |
| 05:35.24 | peterS | guestish: I already told him about 'cdparanoia -Bvz' |
| 05:35.30 | peterS | guestish: he wants something lower level |
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| 05:35.35 | guestish | peterS: why though? |
| 05:35.45 | The_Vulture | mwilson: I just have a text file with a few commands for cdrdao |
| 05:35.47 | peterS | guestish: stated reason: he wants a single unified procedure for data and audio CDs |
| 05:35.54 | mhall | guestish the idea is when on my laptop i don't want to have to mess with the data in the disc |
| 05:35.55 | guestish | peterS: is that possible? |
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| 05:36.03 | mhall | guestish i just want the disc, raw with subcode |
| 05:36.04 | The_Vulture | mhall: I doubt you'll find a way to mount the resultof cdrdao as some kind of device you could read |
| 05:36.09 | guestish | mhall: then use cdrdao read-cd |
| 05:36.10 | mhall | guestish i can mess with the data later |
| 05:36.21 | mhall | guestish right, i am going to do that, i was just explaining my reasons to you |
| 05:36.23 | guestish | mhall: scan the man page if you want |
| 05:36.24 | peterS | guestish: with cdrdao, maybe. I don't know. and if you write enough scripts, you can make anything look like a single unified procedure |
| 05:36.26 | guestish | mhall: oh, ok |
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| 05:36.31 | helix | ah, it's all about grip with its shoddy utf-8 support |
| 05:36.38 | guestish | peterS: i suppose, but is it really worth the effort? |
| 05:36.43 | dondelelcaro | helix: jack! |
| 05:36.45 | mhall | The_Vulture yeah i don't need it to be a readable device |
| 05:36.48 | The_Vulture | guestish: I use cdrdao read-cd then write-cd, but he wants to read the cd, then use the actual data file in some way, other than writing it to another disk.. I dunno if you can do that |
| 05:36.54 | helix | dondelelcaro: yeah, too bad i'm too lazy to re-rip all of my cd's |
| 05:36.56 | mhall | The_Vulture i have some windows gadgets to manipulate the data |
| 05:37.10 | guestish | The_Vulture: you can convert it to an iso and mount it as a loopback device.. |
| 05:37.13 | The_Vulture | mhall: yet no windows gadgets to get the data? *shrugs* |
| 05:37.15 | helix | maybe i'll start believing the name of this song is really "ndios" |
| 05:37.18 | dondelelcaro | helix: ah... true, true... there's just something magical about sticking a cd in the drive and typing jack -Q; and blamo. |
| 05:37.21 | mhall | The_Vulture my laptop is linux only |
| 05:37.21 | mwilson | helix: You mean grip and it's shoddy whether-or-not-it-actually-works-at-all support |
| 05:37.30 | mhall | The_Vulture and my desktop is stuck in one place |
| 05:37.32 | helix | mwilson: well, it's always worked for me |
| 05:37.37 | helix | dondelelcaro: hmm, i'll have to try that.. |
| 05:37.44 | The_Vulture | mhall: so you're going to rip it on your laptop, then transfer it to your desktop for tinkering? seems a bit excessive |
| 05:37.52 | The_Vulture | guestish: how do you convert it? and what if it's audio cd data? |
| 05:37.53 | helix | i think i have one more cd to rip with lots of accented characters in th file names |
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| 05:37.56 | mwilson | grip is like a textbook case of how NOT to design an application. |
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| 05:38.10 | mhall | The_Vulture well it saves battery power for one, and eventually essentially all of my data ends up on my desktop |
| 05:38.17 | guestish | The_Vulture: there are programs that do it, i cant think of one atm, and if its audio cd data i really dont know |
| 05:38.24 | mhall | The_Vulture i go to a university, so there's wireless internet, but that's slow |
| 05:38.30 | The_Vulture | mhall: why not rip it on the desktop in the first place? |
| 05:38.30 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: too bad there are so many textbook cases like it... |
| 05:38.32 | guestish | The_Vulture: maybe you can mount it loopback then use cdparanoia to extract the audio |
| 05:38.41 | mhall | The_Vulture when i'm next to my desktop, i can use my own 100 megabit lan to transfer |
| 05:38.48 | mhall | The_Vulture well, i might not be near the desktop |
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| 05:38.57 | mhall | The_Vulture i might be a mile away or something |
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| 05:39.02 | guestish | The_Vulture: according to apt-cache bchunk will convert it |
| 05:39.10 | mhall | The_Vulture so if i can just get the raw data, that's good enough |
| 05:39.18 | The_Vulture | I'd just borrow the CD, give it back in a day or two after I've copied on the desktop.. |
| 05:39.21 | peterS | mhall: you carry your CD collection around and at random times and places decide it's a good time to rip one? |
| 05:39.22 | mhall | The_Vulture it seems complex, but it's simple |
| 05:39.24 | mwilson | I have registers to put in ticket booths tomorrow |
| 05:39.41 | tvn | how would I change the font of xterm to some other specific font ? I know the option is xterm -fn <font_name> but how do I find out what is the correct format for <font_name> ? |
| 05:39.52 | mhall | peterS no, i carry my laptop around, and sometimes swap with people |
| 05:39.53 | The_Vulture | peterS: I assume he's copying some other CD he's borrowed from someone else, but doesn't want to take it home, copy and return it. *shrugs* |
| 05:40.06 | peterS | mhall: oh right. nudge nudge, "fair use", wink wink |
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| 05:40.09 | mwilson | tvn: -fn takes XLFD's |
| 05:40.14 | The_Vulture | all too much thought has gone into this already |
| 05:40.14 | mhall | peterS since i do network security, we are always trading linux dvd images, knoppix, and "other stuff" |
| 05:40.22 | tvn | mwilson: what's xlfd ? |
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| 05:40.30 | waynegrow | woot |
| 05:40.35 | The_Vulture | what does doing network security have to do with trading linux images.. |
| 05:40.36 | peterS | tvn: X Logical Font Descriptor. a very long font spec |
| 05:40.43 | mwilson | tvn: Like what xfontsel produces. XLFD == X Logical Font Descriptor |
| 05:40.48 | mhall | peterS i mean, honestly, i'm a college student, i'm not going to try to say "other stuff" doesn't factor in |
| 05:40.58 | peterS | mhall: boys will be boys |
| 05:41.02 | mhall | The_Vulture well, Linux is the software du jour for most security purposes |
| 05:41.04 | The_Vulture | mhall: I am a college student, and I will say it doesn't. |
| 05:41.06 | The_Vulture | (for me) |
| 05:41.15 | mhall | The_Vulture do what you like |
| 05:41.25 | waynegrow | i could use some help |
| 05:41.30 | The_Vulture | mhall: define 'security purposes' |
| 05:41.32 | mhall | The_Vulture i don't try to claim moral superiority |
| 05:41.38 | mwilson | mv mwilson /dev/bed |
| 05:41.43 | mwilson | g'night |
| 05:41.43 | The_Vulture | later mwilson |
| 05:41.46 | mhall | The_Vulture well, essentially, i help run a couple of college courses along with a professor |
| 05:41.55 | mhall | The_Vulture one on networking and on on security |
| 05:42.00 | guestish | you are a TA mhall? |
| 05:42.04 | mhall | The_Vulture so frequently i am in a lab with my laptop |
| 05:42.08 | mhall | guestish yeah i am |
| 05:42.21 | mhall | guestish but we're undegraduate |
| 05:42.21 | The_Vulture | mhall: *shrugs* I just ssh in to my desktop from any lab |
| 05:42.34 | waynegrow | thats exactly what i need help with |
| 05:42.48 | The_Vulture | waynegrow: are you going to ask a question? |
| 05:42.50 | mhall | guestish so i'm an undegrad TA, not a PhD or ABD-type guy |
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| 05:43.08 | waynegrow | ok first of all I'm very new to linux... |
| 05:43.12 | guestish | ah |
| 05:43.13 | mhall | The_Vulture i use a lot of SSH and RDP |
| 05:43.23 | guestish | why did cdrdao just spit out a bin image w/o the cue? |
| 05:43.26 | waynegrow | I've got two boxes setup.. one debian.. one xp |
| 05:43.30 | guestish | thats annoying |
| 05:43.34 | mhall | The_Vulture but the trick is, the lab is somewhat quarantines because there are viruses, worms, unpatched machines, etc. |
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| 05:43.44 | mhall | The_Vulture so connecting to the net from inside isn't always a good idea |
| 05:43.55 | mhall | The_Vulture usually we keep it separated from the outside |
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| 05:44.12 | waynegrow | how can I take control of my debian box from within xp |
| 05:44.14 | waynegrow | ? |
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| 05:44.24 | mhall | The_Vulture and i don't like being dependent on a remote server because the campus has an automated worm detector that often removes my server from the network |
| 05:44.25 | The_Vulture | waynegrow: "control" is a bit vague, but install ssh then use putty to ssh in |
| 05:44.36 | The_Vulture | (install ssh on the debian box, putty on the win xp box) |
| 05:44.43 | mhall | The_Vulture the only way around it is physically going to the server and changing its mac address |
| 05:45.04 | waynegrow | ok great will try it.. thank you |
| 05:45.15 | waynegrow | is ssl fairly painless to setup? |
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| 05:45.28 | dogayonv | XP is not powerful enough to control any debian box even a lowly 8088 LOL (jk) |
| 05:45.28 | mhall | The_Vulture i talked to the it department about why i keep getting kicked, but they don't even understand their own horribly overpriced worm detection system |
| 05:45.37 | omac | you mean to install sshd on the debian box and then use something like cygwin ssh to login :) |
| 05:45.42 | The_Vulture | mhall: nice |
| 05:45.45 | mhall | The_Vulture i have been trying to get a copy of it to play with myself so i can see what it does |
| 05:45.50 | The_Vulture | waynegrow: I didn't say ssl. |
| 05:45.55 | mhall | The_Vulture but the last time i called the company they hung up |
| 05:46.06 | The_Vulture | omac: putty is easier to get/use for ssh in my experience |
| 05:46.07 | The_Vulture | smaller too |
| 05:46.13 | guestish | waynegrow: ssl is 100% different |
| 05:46.16 | sgeigerbot | mhall: You probably don't need a copy of it if all you want to do is play with yourself |
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| 05:46.20 | guestish | ok, well maybe not 100% |
| 05:46.49 | cef | hr this is weird |
| 05:46.50 | omac | The other thing to make sure is that your firewall doesn't block the port the sshd is using. |
| 05:46.52 | cef | hrm even |
| 05:46.57 | mhall | The_Vulture apparently it sets up honeypots, and when a "worm" tries to connect to them and spread itself, it intereferes with that machine's future TCP sockets by sending spurious RST packets |
| 05:47.15 | mhall | The_Vulture that is what i have figured out so far |
| 05:47.20 | The_Vulture | mhall: sounds ugly |
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| 05:47.43 | mhall | The_Vulture but the weird part is, i don't connect to any honeypot hosts, because there are no worms and i don't portscan the campus network |
| 05:47.50 | mhall | The_Vulture so there is more to it that i am missing |
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| 05:48.08 | |XO| | 1 free gmail invite msg me ur email... |
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| 05:48.24 | zinx | |XO|: that's a clever harvesting tactic |
| 05:48.29 | cef | <-- beardless |
| 05:48.35 | |XO| | no i'm serious |
| 05:48.39 | |XO| | send it and i'll provice it |
| 05:48.42 | |XO| | too late |
| 05:48.54 | zinx | i have no need for gmail :) |
| 05:49.02 | guestish | i dont want gmail, i have pop3 mail |
| 05:49.08 | dogayonv | what is provice? |
| 05:49.11 | marcst | what's gmail? |
| 05:49.22 | sgeigerbot | marcst: google for gmail |
| 05:49.26 | cef | google's mail thingy.. 1 gig storage |
| 05:49.33 | marcst | meh... |
| 05:49.46 | guestish | they use your e-mail to target ads and make money |
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| 05:50.20 | guestish | just like they're using search strings to target ads |
| 05:50.24 | hagarth | aventuremail offers 2 GIG |
| 05:50.52 | dogayonv | can you provice it hagarth? LOL |
| 05:51.00 | hagarth | lol |
| 05:51.27 | dogayonv | sorry to make fun of your spelling but its hard to take people seriously who cant spell. |
| 05:51.57 | dogayonv | 2 gigs is alot of mailspace |
| 05:52.26 | hagarth | yeah |
| 05:53.00 | sgeigerbot | dogayonv: ...and a lot of backup capacity |
| 05:53.05 | dogayonv | yep |
| 05:53.19 | dogayonv | you have 34k messages, Ding! |
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| 05:53.27 | dogayonv | that'd suck |
| 05:54.06 | hagarth | lol |
| 05:54.15 | hagarth | 34k unread messages ;p |
| 05:54.20 | dogayonv | haha |
| 05:54.24 | marcst | baleeted... |
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| 05:54.41 | marcst | don't think it could bear to wade through that |
| 05:54.53 | dogayonv | they'd all be enlarge your penis messages thanks to mr Im giving away free gmails and Ill provice it! |
| 05:55.03 | marcst | hehehe |
| 05:55.07 | hagarth | rofl |
| 05:55.41 | |XO| | dogayonv lol |
| 05:55.49 | cef | lotsa space just means more room for my lkml mail.. |
| 05:55.50 | |XO| | dogayonv i gave it away to mhall |
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| 05:56.56 | dogayonv | I would seriously like to meet 1 person just 1 person who actually tried to get that done. seriously who gets spam mail and decides, hey you know what this is my 3,000 message like this but today i think Im gonna take the plunge. |
| 05:57.50 | mhall | dogayonv people getting penis enlargements won't pick their docs from spam, i hope |
| 05:57.58 | mhall | dogayonv but, important statistic: |
| 05:58.05 | marcst | somebody's clicking on some of them, why else do they keep trying? |
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| 05:58.18 | mhall | dogayonv in a country of 300 million like the USA, 150 million are below average. |
| 05:58.19 | guestish | marcst: who knows |
| 05:58.35 | guestish | ha! i just made a cue file and it worked |
| 05:58.37 | dogayonv | lol |
| 05:58.39 | mhall | dogayonv not all of us get to be astronatues when we grow up |
| 05:58.51 | mhall | dogayonv astronauts* |
| 05:59.17 | dogayonv | hey I never claimed I was the brightest person myself but still. I have yet to see anything come in the email that I actually even remotely considered. |
| 05:59.37 | waynegrow | i got it.. thanks guys |
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| 05:59.44 | RoundQube | hello all |
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| 05:59.50 | mhall | dogayonv but there are millions at the bottom 10% |
| 05:59.51 | JmanA9 | hello |
| 05:59.53 | dogayonv | but who knows tomarrow I might just buy some mail order viagra and a penis enlargement LOL |
| 05:59.56 | marcst | what gets me is the spam that has essentially accomplished nothing else then get to my inbox... there's no legible message |
| 06:00.01 | JmanA9 | where is the file in which i would be able to change my networking settings for dhcp? |
| 06:00.04 | dogayonv | what could go wrong right? haha |
| 06:00.07 | mhall | dogayonv and half the country has access to broadband either at home or work |
| 06:00.10 | RoundQube | how do you get gdesklets to load multiple displays? whenever i try gdesklets <filename>.display it works but when i load another, the previous one disappears |
| 06:00.37 | mhall | dogayonv so about 5% of the country in the bottom 10% common-sense/intelligence wise has broadband access |
| 06:00.41 | mhall | dogayonv et cetera |
| 06:01.00 | mhall | dogayonv being a college student, it's hard for me to fathom being that dumb |
| 06:01.08 | zinx | mhall: i think there are more than 150 million below average |
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| 06:01.25 | zinx | mhall: (and yes, that's possible if there are few exceptional people) |
| 06:01.30 | mhall | dogayonv but i thought network security was easy until i helped teach a class on it, and not even engineering and comp sci students could do very well |
| 06:01.49 | mhall | zinx i was just using round numbers, with 150 million being half of the US population |
| 06:01.57 | mhall | zinx i wasn't talking about the world |
| 06:01.59 | zinx | mhall: yes, but i think it's more like 200 million :P |
| 06:02.05 | dogayonv | intelligence is a hard thing to measure. |
| 06:02.11 | dogayonv | yes but having a good teacher goes a long way |
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| 06:02.23 | zinx | mhall: maybe even 250 |
| 06:02.27 | mhall | dogayonv i meant to say couldn't |
| 06:02.29 | dogayonv | and having desire to learn helps as well |
| 06:02.36 | mhall | zinx that violates the definition of average |
| 06:02.43 | dogayonv | you can know your stuff inside and out but be a bad teacher. |
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| 06:02.44 | mhall | zinx the average is the middle value |
| 06:02.57 | zinx | mhall: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 5... what's the average? how many are below average? you see my point? |
| 06:03.05 | zinx | i hope you do |
| 06:03.14 | mhall | zinx i think intelligence follows a gaussian distribution |
| 06:03.16 | zinx | because if not, you're one of the many below-average people :) |
| 06:03.24 | marcst | well i think implicit in mhall's point is normal distribution |
| 06:03.45 | marcst | aka gaussian |
| 06:03.52 | mhall | zinx but even if the distribution is semi-gaussian or impure, the approximate point still stands |
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| 06:04.11 | rich_ | hi |
| 06:04.19 | marcst | if you have 350 million, i'll take gaussian for 400$ alex :) |
| 06:04.21 | mhall | zinx there is a large pool of below-average (intelligence-wise) people who have access to e-mail |
| 06:04.35 | mhall | marcst i will too, if alex doesn't mind |
| 06:04.52 | guestish | grrr, i cant get cdrdao to give me a cue file, only toc one |
| 06:05.02 | guestish | only a toc one |
| 06:05.11 | guestish | ok, my grammar is detorating, time to go to sleep |
| 06:05.13 | mhall | guestish you can make a cue, i will give you a link that says how |
| 06:05.15 | dogayonv | besides look at it like this, not having learned something doesnt make you stupid. Not being able to learn it does. I think alot of people look at uneducated people and think they are stupid. I think maybe some of them are able to learn and some arent. |
| 06:05.18 | mhall | guestish wait a minute please |
| 06:05.35 | dogayonv | hard to explain what Im thinking. hehe |
| 06:05.42 | mhall | guestish ftp://ftp.cdarchive.com/pub/goldenhawk/download/cdrwin.pdf <-- Read Appendix A |
| 06:05.55 | mhall | guestish once you know what you ripped, you can make a .CUE in no time. |
| 06:06.03 | guestish | mhall: k |
| 06:06.18 | mhall | guestish you need a FILE directive, and a MODE, and... wait a sec |
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| 06:06.29 | guestish | mhall: i was just taking the info from the toc and converting it to a cue, but i wasnt sure if i was doing it right |
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| 06:07.10 | mhall | guestish FILE "name" BINARY, TRACK nn MODE..., INDEX 01 00:00:00 |
| 06:07.18 | mhall | guestish where comma indicates a linebreak |
| 06:07.30 | mhall | guestish that's the core of a cue, and that PDF tells you lots more |
| 06:07.33 | dogayonv | good night you all, im going to bed before my wife comes down to get me |
| 06:07.41 | mhall | dogayonv have fun with her |
| 06:07.53 | dogayonv | not tonight its 2 am |
| 06:07.59 | mhall | dogayonv so what? |
| 06:08.08 | dogayonv | you married? |
| 06:08.17 | guestish | mhall: thx |
| 06:08.21 | mhall | dogayonv not yet, working on it |
| 06:08.21 | guestish | mhall: ill read it tomorrow |
| 06:08.31 | mhall | but there's a proverb that scares me |
| 06:08.33 | dogayonv | ok when your married then you'll understand :) |
| 06:08.43 | mhall | Bigamy is having too many wives. Monogamy is the same. |
| 06:08.55 | dogayonv | we've been together about 10 years got married in october and now things are differnt LOL |
| 06:09.03 | dogayonv | strange how that works lol |
| 06:09.05 | sigjuice | wow, pearpc really sucks the life out of my poor old PIII 600 |
| 06:09.17 | mhall | sigjuice figures |
| 06:09.28 | dogayonv | take care off I go. |
| 06:09.42 | mhall | sigjuice that computer sounds like it was made for SPIM, not PearPC |
| 06:09.47 | dogayonv | free gmails to all! |
| 06:09.54 | marcst | hehehe |
| 06:10.07 | dogayonv | lol |
| 06:10.44 | dogayonv | well some of them are like gfemales because they havent answered the enlargement emails yet. |
| 06:10.59 | mhall | the other day I was goofing off on Orkut and found out that John Kerry had a profile |
| 06:11.11 | mhall | he was sending funny messages to the groups for people who hate Bush |
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| 06:11.52 | sigjuice | can SPIM run sarge-mips-netinst.iso? |
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| 06:12.42 | mhall | sigjuice lol nope |
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| 06:12.48 | mhall | sigjuice it runs assembly code |
| 06:12.57 | mhall | sigjuice i wrote a bunch if you want some ;-) |
| 06:13.28 | mhall | sigjuice as you can tell by its name, SPIM is a pretty backwards program |
| 06:13.46 | sigjuice | hmm |
| 06:13.52 | mhall | sigjuice which makes it a good fit for a backwards processor speed ;-) |
| 06:13.58 | sigjuice | I have played with psim a bit |
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| 06:15.09 | sigjuice | psim will run PowerPC assembly code, but it is far from emulating a whole machine |
| 06:15.10 | mhall | if anybody wants on orkut, let me know |
| 06:15.30 | mhall | sigjuice spim is pretty complete except some coprocessor stuff |
| 06:15.43 | mhall | sigjuice and its i/o is lacking, but that's to be expected |
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| 06:16.00 | Qan | hi |
| 06:16.09 | Qan | i'm currenlty downloading debian |
| 06:16.17 | Qan | does it has good harware support ? |
| 06:16.51 | sigjuice | why do I have /usr/lib/gconf2/gconfd-2 running on my sarge system? |
| 06:17.01 | Hydroxide | Qan: it supports anything any other Linux distribution supports, which nowadays is quite a lot |
| 06:17.24 | Qan | .... well libranet 2.7 didn't do verry wel ... |
| 06:17.36 | Qan | btw do i have to download all 7 cds ? |
| 06:17.41 | Qan | or will cd x and x do ? |
| 06:17.45 | Hydroxide | Qan: a good number of things are autodetected, a good number of things still are not, but they all work |
| 06:17.49 | mhall | !tell Qan about netinst |
| 06:17.57 | mhall | !tell Qan about d-i |
| 06:18.04 | Hydroxide | Qan: you don't even have to download one... pay attention to what mhall just pointed you to |
| 06:18.28 | mhall | Qan if you go to the deb installer site, you can get a "snapshot iso" |
| 06:18.48 | mhall | Qan if you take it and burn it to cd, deb will install with its spiffy new smart installer |
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| 06:19.10 | mhall | Qan then you can use it to only download the packages you need from teh Intarweb |
| 06:19.20 | Hydroxide | Qan: you can also use the most recent beta of the new installer (beta 4) ... http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 06:19.23 | mhall | Qan which saves a lot of time over bloody huge ISO files |
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| 06:20.49 | grim | anyone have any idea why php4 and php4-dev require apache-common ? |
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| 06:23.18 | mhall | grim hmm, i thought php didn't work w/o apache? |
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| 06:23.30 | blazeFX | hey all |
| 06:23.37 | blazeFX | where are the c header files located? |
| 06:23.46 | grim | mhall: you can run php scripts on the command line |
| 06:23.47 | zinx | in a lot of places |
| 06:23.48 | peterS | mhall: there's a CGI version. presumably it has no need for any specific CGI implementation |
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| 06:23.58 | zinx | mostly /usr/include/ |
| 06:24.01 | blazeFX | like where would stdio.h be? |
| 06:24.04 | blazeFX | ahh |
| 06:24.12 | zinx | be friends with 'locate' |
| 06:24.13 | amphi | blazeFX: you'll find several under /usr/include |
| 06:24.14 | The_Vulture | blazeFX: you know there's a program called "localte" |
| 06:24.19 | The_Vulture | if I could spell it there would be |
| 06:24.24 | zinx | (man 1 locate) |
| 06:24.33 | blazeFX | really?> |
| 06:24.34 | grim | ok so i want the php4-cgi.. :) |
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| 06:25.01 | sigjuice | chatzilla was killing me |
| 06:25.10 | peterS | grim: probably. it seems like there's a command-line version of php4, but maybe that's the same as the CGI version |
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| 06:25.53 | opp | any pdf reader that has copy/paste functions? |
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| 06:25.57 | grim | well i have php and apache installed on my server from source.. and i try to avoid source installs on my main box, and i say the apache dependencies and was like wtf.. it doesn't _need_ apache.. |
| 06:26.29 | peterS | grim: probably the php4 package scripts deal with updating the apache modules.conf |
| 06:26.33 | grim | grr looks like my mirror is down |
| 06:26.35 | peterS | grim: I'm guessing that's why it has the dependency |
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| 06:28.15 | waynegrow | woot |
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| 06:30.56 | waynegrow | what port does putty connect on? |
| 06:31.29 | amphi | waynegrow: whatever you tell it - ssh is on 22 normally |
| 06:31.57 | waynegrow | ah ok |
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| 06:32.16 | sigjuice | why is artsd using up all my cpu? |
| 06:32.25 | waynegrow | anyone run seti? |
| 06:33.21 | IceDC571 | hey anyone care to help me with a kernel i just built, im not sure exactly how to boot it |
| 06:33.35 | opp | any pdf reader that has cut/paste/copy functions ? |
| 06:33.45 | IceDC571 | it said to run a 'make dep && make clean bzImage modules modules_install' |
| 06:33.52 | opp | any pdf reader that has cut/paste/copy functions ? |
| 06:33.58 | streuner | IceDC571: read newbiedoc.sf.net section KERNEL-HOWTO |
| 06:34.16 | peterS | opp: I heard xpdf had some form of that, but last I tried it I didn't actually notice it |
| 06:34.20 | IceDC571 | yeah but I jus want to ask what to do with the bzImage it generates, whats it for? |
| 06:34.33 | peterS | opp: so I'm probably wrong |
| 06:35.21 | opp | xpdf doesnt have them. |
| 06:35.31 | peterS | IceDC571: bzImage is your new kernel |
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| 06:35.55 | IceDC571 | peterS, alright.. so would I need to add anything to grub to make it boot? |
| 06:36.07 | rich_ | IceDC571 its a kernel image. What you do with it is edit /etc/lilo.conf so it knows where it is, run lilo and then boot with it |
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| 06:36.12 | peterS | IceDC571: if you don't use the debian 'kernel-package' business, then you are responsible for copying the bzImage into place, along with System.map and .config if you want them |
| 06:36.34 | peterS | IceDC571: you have to add an entry to /boot/grub/menu.lst pointing to wherever you put your new kernel (normally you put it in /boot) |
| 06:36.49 | IceDC571 | alright thanks, i'll go try it now |
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| 06:37.03 | streuner | IceDC571: keep in mind, you are not playing with an app, its the kernel itself. |
| 06:37.49 | streuner | if you don't care about your hw (old stuff), |
| 06:38.16 | peterS | Hydroxide: "on the windows side"? why is there a windows side? |
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| 06:39.57 | IceDC571 | peterS, can I PM you part of the list that I want to show? i dont want to flood the channel |
| 06:40.10 | peterS | IceDC571: flood a different channel - specifically #flood |
| 06:40.21 | peterS | IceDC571: that's what it's for |
| 06:40.32 | IceDC571 | hmm |
| 06:41.01 | IceDC571 | ohh i see i thought that channel was meant for jokes |
| 06:41.02 | IceDC571 | heh |
| 06:41.04 | IceDC571 | nice |
| 06:41.53 | IceDC571 | peterS, okay i just pasted part of my list entry.. what would I need to change to make it boot into my new kernel? |
| 06:42.14 | peterS | IceDC571: that's an existing entry? |
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| 06:42.33 | IceDC571 | yes but i'm trying to make a new one with the bzImage i made |
| 06:42.46 | peterS | IceDC571: just copy that whole block but change the path in the "kernel" line to point to wherever you copy your bzImage |
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| 06:42.53 | peterS | IceDC571: and get rid of the "initrd" line |
| 06:42.56 | samlander | quick question: how do i change a user password ? |
| 06:43.02 | peterS | samlander: chpasswd |
| 06:43.07 | samlander | ty |
| 06:43.14 | grim | passwd seems to work better.. |
| 06:43.14 | IceDC571 | peterS, alright that makes perfect sense now.. thanks :) |
| 06:43.16 | grim | well for me anyways :) |
| 06:43.21 | peterS | IceDC571: I'm assuming you built enough drivers into your kernel that you don't need an initrd |
| 06:43.35 | peterS | grim: yeah, that works too |
| 06:43.47 | peterS | grim: dunno about "better" or "worse" - they're just different |
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| 06:44.24 | peterS | scorphus: you should /nick SCOrphus |
| 06:44.31 | grim | peterS: yeah, but passwd is just more natural.. i mean you use it to change your own, so using it as root to change another users is just as simple as throwing their name in the command line.. |
| 06:44.38 | peterS | grim: true |
| 06:44.45 | IceDC571 | alright, thanks peterS.. ill see you guys around |
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| 06:46.32 | samlander | quick questioN: to restart postfix... just #postfix restart? |
| 06:46.39 | deadcat | anyone using bootsplash+2.4 kernel? any idea why silent goes to verbose mode when it gets to the rc script? |
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| 06:49.58 | peterS | samlander: that'll work. or on debian you can restart just about any daemon with '/etc/init.d/{something} restart' |
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| 06:50.37 | Simy | where is the sources file again? |
| 06:50.45 | somiaj | Simy: /etc/apt |
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| 06:50.48 | samlander | peterS: i actually answered my own question :) i did a whereis |
| 06:50.54 | Simy | ty somiaj |
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| 06:52.16 | etr | hi, where can i find the name of the device (in /dev) of my usb memory stick ? |
| 06:52.29 | etr | what its default ? |
| 06:52.33 | somiaj | etr: if you have all the modules loaded, check out dmesg |
| 06:52.40 | somiaj | etr: and see where 'hotplug' loaded it |
| 06:52.46 | somiaj | etr: usually /dev/sda1 |
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| 06:53.48 | SpandoFando | scr-bx |
| 06:53.56 | SpandoFando | unf.. |
| 06:54.55 | etr | thanks,. worked |
| 06:56.31 | siimo | hi read a review somewhere of some linux software opening pdf's into editable files "seamlessly" what program is this? |
| 06:56.37 | siimo | oo.org? |
| 06:57.09 | Simy | siimo try that as a google search..... |
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| 06:58.48 | siimo | search it gives adobe acrobat |
| 06:58.49 | muaddib | hello all |
| 06:58.54 | siimo | but anyway cool |
| 06:59.30 | Simy | well im looking, i found a post talking about it(i think) |
| 06:59.42 | Simy | want me to send you the link? i dont really feel like reading it.... |
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