| 00:00.21 | andax | with some luck the box will survive :))))) |
| 00:00.36 | peterS | andax: I very much doubt that's his problem anyway, for two reasons |
| 00:00.43 | peterS | trix_: never mind that, we'll proceed on the (somewhat justified) assumption that it's in your kernel |
| 00:00.43 | andax | i think he simply doesn't have hid support |
| 00:00.43 | peterS | trix_: what about 'mousedev'? |
| 00:00.46 | calkj | sorry to disturb, but what does "dhcpcd.exe: line 49: .: filename argument required" mean? followed by: dhcp.exe: wrong filename "" |
| 00:00.46 | peterS | andax: he does, actually. 'hid' was in his lsmod output |
| 00:00.53 | trix_ | oh wait, the * did something |
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| 00:00.55 | lazarus | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.05 | peterS | trix_: try "modprobe mousedev" |
| 00:01.13 | andax | sry |
| 00:01.43 | trix_ | insmod /lib/modules/2.4.26/kernel/drivers/usb/host/usb-ohci.o failed |
| 00:01.43 | trix_ | does that tell you guys anything |
| 00:01.43 | trix_ | ? |
| 00:01.54 | peterS | trix_: yes. it tells me you shouldn't listen to andax. |
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| 00:02.07 | trix_ | peterS: cant' locate |
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| 00:02.30 | peterS | trix_: ok, so mousedev doesn't exist. I think you'll need to recompile your kernel, because from earlier evidence it looked like mousedev was not built in to your kernel |
| 00:02.37 | peterS | trix_: but before doing so, let's verify: |
| 00:02.43 | peterS | trix_: try this: od -tx1 < /dev/input/mice |
| 00:02.55 | peterS | trix_: tell me if it just sits there, or if it returns an error such as "no such device" |
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| 00:03.07 | endeffects | hi =) |
| 00:03.08 | lazarus | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.17 | peterS | lazarus: cute |
| 00:03.17 | lazarus | this topic url is dodgy |
| 00:03.24 | kevin | hey folks, i have 2 questions (a) after installing a new kernel, how do you tell your system where to look for the new modules (insmod cant find my radeondb module, which is in /lib/modules/2.6.6) and (b) is it possible to just compile 1 module that I left out and get it to load (ntfs suppotr).. |
| 00:03.27 | lazarus | HTTP request sent; waiting for response. |
| 00:03.33 | lazarus | and waiting waiting waiting waiting |
| 00:03.37 | endeffects | i need help with my debian, i want to run a php script in the shell |
| 00:03.40 | endeffects | but i dont know how |
| 00:03.48 | endeffects | can someone help me |
| 00:03.54 | trix_ | peterS: it's just sitting there... |
| 00:04.03 | peterS | trix_: ok good. that means 'mousedev' *is* available. |
| 00:04.04 | sekio | #/usr/bin/php -i |
| 00:04.12 | peterS | trix_: if you move your mouse, does it spit out anything, or just sit there? |
| 00:04.23 | trix_ | peterS: still sits there |
| 00:04.24 | sekio | cat /dev/input/mice |
| 00:04.34 | sekio | and move your mouse |
| 00:04.36 | peterS | sekio: ummm. we're already doing this |
| 00:04.47 | peterS | trix_: ok, cancel that with ctrl-c |
| 00:04.52 | endeffects | there is no php under /usr/bin |
| 00:04.56 | sekio | haha |
| 00:04.57 | trix_ | peterS: k |
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| 00:05.05 | peterS | trix_: check the output of the 'dmesg' command and see if it makes mention of the hid module loading |
| 00:05.15 | peterS | trix_: and see if it claims to have found a mouse |
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| 00:05.47 | endeffects | how can i find the php interpreter |
| 00:05.52 | sekio | install it |
| 00:05.52 | endeffects | it works for my apache |
| 00:05.55 | kevin | endeffects : which php |
| 00:05.58 | sekio | apt-get php |
| 00:06.00 | endeffects | but it dont works for the shell |
| 00:06.02 | trix_ | peterS: it mentions hid, but not erroneously |
| 00:06.17 | peterS | trix_: ok, does hid mention finding a mouse? |
| 00:06.25 | endeffects | its php4 |
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| 00:06.40 | kevin | endeffects : i mean, actually type that command, "which php" |
| 00:06.47 | endeffects | the php.ini is placed under /etc/php4/apache/php.ini |
| 00:06.49 | kevin | will tell you where its at, if its installed |
| 00:06.55 | simonrvn | question: if i want to build support for initrd/ram disk, and i don't have to or want an initrd, how do i avoid it trying to use an initrd? |
| 00:07.13 | peterS | kevin: even more confusing than 'which' is the bash equivalent, 'type' |
| 00:07.23 | trix_ | peterS: not hid, but mice : PS/2 |
| 00:07.25 | kevin | :) |
| 00:07.27 | simonrvn | which type? |
| 00:07.27 | peterS | kevin: as in, telling people to "type php" |
| 00:07.45 | peterS | trix_: you mean: "PS/2 mouse device common for all mice" ? |
| 00:07.49 | endeffects | the command php dont works |
| 00:07.53 | kevin | what the heck tells your system where to find modules, I just installed a new kernel and its not finding some modules I need, but they are in /lib/modules/2.6.6. |
| 00:07.54 | trix_ | peterS: yea |
| 00:07.56 | peterS | trix_: that message just means the 'mousedev' module loaded |
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| 00:08.06 | trix_ | peterS: ok |
| 00:08.06 | peterS | trix_: anyway, I have a theory about your problem. hold on a sec |
| 00:08.10 | Valium | hello |
| 00:08.13 | trix_ | peterS: k |
| 00:08.14 | Valium | is there anyone using bitkeeper? |
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| 00:08.33 | lazarus | Valium: no one |
| 00:08.39 | rayban | Valium: yes, Linus Torvalds |
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| 00:08.45 | trix_ | Valium: i like azureus for bt client |
| 00:08.56 | endeffects | i cant reaach the guys that setup the server, but i have root rights |
| 00:08.56 | peterS | trix_: run this: grep CONFIG_USB_HIDINPUT /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 00:08.58 | Valium | how can i pull from a remote repository? |
| 00:08.58 | lazarus | rayban: he's nobody significant ;) |
| 00:09.12 | lazarus | Valium: it has no man page? no doc directory? |
| 00:09.14 | endeffects | the problem is that i cant run the php script from the shell =/ |
| 00:09.16 | peterS | trix_: it will either say CONFIG_USB_HIDINPUT=y, which is what you want, or # CONFIG_USB_HIDINPUT is not set |
| 00:09.24 | lazarus | Valium: that app must really suck then |
| 00:09.26 | Valium | lazarus, i just need to run bk once |
| 00:09.43 | trix_ | peterS: not set |
| 00:09.48 | peterS | trix_: ok that's your problem |
| 00:09.56 | peterS | trix_: recompile your kernel for that option |
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| 00:10.15 | peterS | trix_: basically, in the config menu, go to "USB support" |
| 00:10.26 | endeffects | please help me =( |
| 00:10.43 | trix_ | peterS: if this works...i'll be soo happy... |
| 00:10.48 | trix_ | peterS: trying right now... |
| 00:10.52 | peterS | trix_: and down there under the HID section, select the option "HID input layer support" |
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| 00:11.00 | peterS | trix_: that's the option you are currently missing |
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| 00:11.21 | trix_ | peterS: gonna try immediately |
| 00:11.22 | endeffects | i think php runs as apache modul |
| 00:12.35 | endeffects | hmmmm |
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| 00:12.44 | endeffects | no idea? |
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| 00:14.49 | trix_ | peterS: it's compiling...thanks a lot for the help... |
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| 00:15.04 | peterS | trix_: good luck. come back and ping me if it doesn't work |
| 00:15.20 | nort0n | how can anyone use aptitude? its lots, and lots of packages. |
| 00:15.39 | peterS | nort0n: it helps to have an idea what you want, so you can search for it by name |
| 00:15.43 | lazarus | nort0n: i don't, i use dselect |
| 00:15.47 | endeffects | hehe |
| 00:16.14 | rayban | I use zless Packages.gz |
| 00:16.23 | nort0n | peterS: hard to know exactly which you want when you are installing a new debian system, isnt it? |
| 00:16.40 | peterS | nort0n: depends on how much prior debian experience you have (: |
| 00:16.44 | rayban | nort0n: that's why tasksel exists |
| 00:16.46 | nort0n | ok :D |
| 00:16.47 | lazarus | anyone in the northeast usa presently? |
| 00:16.53 | peterS | endeffects: I didn't mean *that* kind of ping |
| 00:16.58 | rayban | nort0n: tasksel is evil |
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| 00:17.15 | bobstro | how about apt-cache search <word-of-interest>? |
| 00:17.15 | endeffects | sorry =) |
| 00:17.15 | nort0n | rayban: using tasksel now ;) |
| 00:17.19 | bobstro | lazarus: i'm near boston |
| 00:17.24 | peterS | endeffects: it's ok, I did say that |
| 00:17.36 | lazarus | bobstro: i think this alert is for west of you presently |
| 00:17.40 | bobstro | peterS: i just search for packages of interest by keyword |
| 00:17.50 | bobstro | lazarus: what alert is that? |
| 00:17.58 | lazarus | bobstro: it's a "unplug your box" kind of thing though |
| 00:18.02 | peterS | bobstro: that can work too. when I don't know what I want, I use 'apt-cache search', not aptitude |
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| 00:18.14 | bobstro | lazarus: thunderstorms, or? |
| 00:18.22 | simonrvn | some asshole that used a fake addie from here actually used it to post to the BTS!!! fucking stupid |
| 00:18.29 | lazarus | bobstro: yeah |
| 00:18.32 | simonrvn | he is so dead |
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| 00:19.01 | rayban | thunder thunder thundercats |
| 00:19.02 | lazarus | simonrvn: all those damn root@localhosts must be vapourised! ;) |
| 00:19.17 | simonrvn | lazarus: noo... the fake from was tu@nuit.ca |
| 00:19.30 | rayban | yeah it should be root@localhost.localdomain |
| 00:19.32 | simonrvn | bug number 254485 |
| 00:19.32 | kreg | is bandwidth management something done in iptables? |
| 00:19.56 | simonrvn | no such user or account here |
| 00:20.00 | peterS | kreg: cooperation between iptables and traffic control |
| 00:20.05 | simonrvn | *i* should know |
| 00:20.16 | lazarus | simonrvn: you're nuit.ca? |
| 00:20.18 | peterS | kreg: iptables to label flows, traffic control to do stuff to them |
| 00:21.03 | endeffects | i try again: i want to run a ph script in the shell, its not a problem over the apache, but i dont know how to execute in the shell |
| 00:21.16 | Vinland | how do you tell if your ethernet card is set at full or half duplex |
| 00:21.17 | rayban | was it php-cgi |
| 00:21.18 | kreg | peterS, i've got some control taken care of in iptables. but i've never tried "traffic control" outside of it before. any ideas for a noob? |
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| 00:21.30 | endeffects | there is no entry in /usr/bin/php |
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| 00:21.40 | simonrvn | lazarus: yes. check the whois |
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| 00:21.44 | endeffects | php script.php also dont works |
| 00:21.44 | Justin | !tell endeffects about search |
| 00:22.08 | lazarus | simonrvn: heh, 00:21 -!- simonrvn [simon@simonrvn.cloaked] |
| 00:22.12 | peterS | kreg: I haven't played with it, but check out the 'shaper' and 'wondershaper' Debian packages |
| 00:22.14 | simonrvn | i think i know where they came from too |
| 00:22.16 | endeffects | i tried find / -name php -print |
| 00:22.22 | simonrvn | lazarus: no, nuit.ca whois |
| 00:22.23 | endeffects | but i dont got luck |
| 00:22.25 | kreg | peterS, ok |
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| 00:22.30 | simonrvn | lazarus: as in CLI util |
| 00:23.15 | rayban | simonrvn: are you using whois like a usiness card :) |
| 00:23.19 | rayban | business* |
| 00:23.21 | qwerty | My entire ext3 filesystem died on me today (except windows) when I try to mount a partition, Im getting couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (200020) or (200024) I went from 2.6.5 last night to 2.6.6 and rebooted a few times with no problems, anyone know what this is? |
| 00:23.25 | simonrvn | lazarus: here you might need to do it this way: whois -H nuit.ca -h whois.cira.ca |
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| 00:24.00 | endeffects | uhm please help |
| 00:24.08 | lazarus | simonrvn: Tech-Mailbox: simonraven@ |
| 00:24.17 | simonrvn | rayban: a whois entry is supposed to have valid data in it, as per the RFC, and soon some law changes in some countries (or proposed) |
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| 00:24.23 | stonecolddsl | Does anyone know if Debian net install cd support Broadcom Net Extreme gig bit lan |
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| 00:24.32 | lazarus | simonrvn: shows up with stock sid /usr/bin/whois btw |
| 00:24.34 | bobstro | qwerty: if you get no better advice, i had similar. wound up using rescue cd, editing /etc/fstab to bring it up as ext2. it did fsck on it (no problems) then was fine. i re-edited to ext3 and it's ok. |
| 00:24.40 | simonrvn | lazarus: yup, one of my accounts at my ISP |
| 00:24.48 | simonrvn | lazarus: ok |
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| 00:24.56 | trix_ | peterS: thanks a lot man...it worked...you just did what i've been trying to do all day and night in 5min... |
| 00:24.59 | bobstro | qwerty: did you copy anything over by chance, or anything might've confused ext3 journal? |
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| 00:25.03 | rayban | simonrvn: hm but it doesn't utilise valid e-signatures |
| 00:25.09 | qwerty | bobstro: then Im off to the rescue cd, thanks. |
| 00:25.22 | simonrvn | rayban: no, but it's a thought |
| 00:25.29 | peterS | trix_: I have some experience with these issues (: |
| 00:25.31 | peterS | trix_: so glad it worked |
| 00:25.58 | simonrvn | rayban: whois is woefully behind the times.. |
| 00:26.01 | trix_ | anyways fellas...i'm not pulling 2 allnighters in a row, so i'm off to bed, knowing my linux works once more =) |
| 00:26.44 | rayban | simonrvn: it was orginally for searching for peoples e-mail adresses afaik. |
| 00:26.53 | rayban | hence the name whois |
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| 00:27.07 | simonrvn | rayban: other stuff too |
| 00:27.13 | rayban | yep |
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| 00:27.25 | lazarus | rayban: "whois ... going to fix this dratted network breakage i'm getting from host foo?" |
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| 00:28.02 | rayban | lazarus: heh, no, whois Mr.Bill Gates so I can mail him |
| 00:28.31 | peterS | rayban: bgates@microsoft.com is well known. equally well assumed is that he never reads it |
| 00:28.44 | peterS | rayban: (I wouldn't, if I were him) |
| 00:28.48 | stonecolddsl | hello |
| 00:28.59 | rayban | peterS: his slaves reads for him |
| 00:29.05 | rayban | s/slaves/workers |
| 00:29.35 | Vinland | how do you tell if your ethernet card is set at full or half duplex |
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| 00:29.51 | lazarus | Vinland: /msg dpkg repeating |
| 00:30.09 | Azuran | hey guys, I was just wondering, how much of a performance loss do you get in general with 333mhz ram as opposed to 400mhz ram? |
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| 00:30.29 | witless | hi. where can i set the default font size used by wxWindows applications? |
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| 00:31.35 | lazarus | Azuran: 16% ? |
| 00:31.39 | Caesar | Vinland: apt-get install ethtool |
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| 00:33.15 | db90db | i've always used mandrake but i was thinking of putting debian on my laptop... would it be a good choice for a semi-newbie? also, what should i download from linuxiso.org? the generic install or the vanilla install? |
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| 00:33.33 | lazarus | db90db: the netinst at debian.org |
| 00:34.03 | Desiac | is ident used for anything other than irc usage |
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| 00:34.16 | lazarus | Desiac: sure |
| 00:34.18 | willhse | hi all |
| 00:34.31 | lazarus | Desiac: establishing the uid of any connection you feel like |
| 00:34.40 | stonecolddsl | hello |
| 00:34.48 | lazarus | Desiac: it is MISused by irc btw |
| 00:35.25 | lazarus | Desiac: there should be a number of articles on that available online |
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| 00:37.55 | andax | i just installed tvtime, it says i should enable "enhanced real time clock support", then load the rtc module. problem is I can't find this in the kernel configuration. I use 2.6.6.. anyone knows where it is? |
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| 00:38.58 | lazarus | andax: /boot/config-2.6.6:CONFIG_RTC=m |
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| 00:39.41 | lazarus | andax: # Watchdog Cards |
| 00:39.41 | andax | thanks |
| 00:39.55 | lazarus | np |
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| 00:42.04 | Desiac | lazarus: thanks mate :) got sidetracked on the phone |
| 00:42.53 | lazarus | Desiac: np |
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| 00:43.54 | lazarus | i guess sid didn't break too badly today, it's quiet in here |
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| 00:44.38 | simonrvn | nope. was very smooth upgrade. has been - for me anyway - for a while |
| 00:44.50 | lazarus | yeah, overdue i think :/ |
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| 00:44.59 | kil04 | i recall downloading debian iso which was smaller then the 700mb iso, is that still available, i couldn't find it on the site. |
| 00:45.10 | simonrvn | www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 00:45.13 | lazarus | kil04: netinst |
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| 00:48.28 | Nanobot2k | Sorry, I couldn't find your host's canonical name in DNS. |
| 00:48.33 | Nanobot2k | qmail gave me that error |
| 00:48.40 | Nanobot2k | how do i setup my canocial name? |
| 00:48.46 | Nanobot2k | *canonical |
| 00:49.01 | moyix | does anyone know offhand of a faster DES implementation than OpenSSL's? |
| 00:49.11 | Caesar | Nanobot2k: you probably don't have the right stuff in /etc/hosts |
| 00:49.34 | Nanobot2k | k lemme check into it |
| 00:49.36 | Nanobot2k | thanks |
| 00:49.38 | lazarus | .biz, heh |
| 00:49.51 | lazarus | probably the culprit |
| 00:50.23 | simonrvn | .biz, ugh |
| 00:50.46 | simonrvn | 99% of the .biz i see is spammers |
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| 00:50.56 | lazarus | doesn't fit my filestyle either, but, heh |
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| 00:51.15 | Nanobot2k | F~Caesar: I found this line in /etc/hosts : 127.0.0.1 localhost delphi |
| 00:51.36 | Nanobot2k | changed it but i still get the same error |
| 00:51.39 | udontknow | simonrvn: I am not a spammer :P |
| 00:51.42 | Nanobot2k | do i need to reload something? |
| 00:51.47 | Caesar | Nanobot2k: Add another line with your address, and read man 5 hosts |
| 00:51.57 | simonrvn | udontknow: ok, 98% ;) |
| 00:51.58 | udontknow | simonrvn: I am just someone that thinks .com is too expensive |
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| 00:52.08 | udontknow | for the heck of it |
| 00:52.11 | simonrvn | udontknow: and overused |
| 00:52.21 | dhruv | hi, i'm trying to share an external drive between linux and windows. it's 200GB in size, trying to format with fat32 fails with a message saying the volume is too large for fat32. can anyone reccommend another filesystem or tool to use? |
| 00:52.26 | bahadunn | udontknow: hi |
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| 00:52.40 | udontknow | USD 10 is too much for keeping a few bytes online |
| 00:52.43 | udontknow | bahadunn: heya |
| 00:52.44 | Nanobot2k | dhruv use NTFS |
| 00:52.49 | bahadunn | udontknow: long time no see |
| 00:52.56 | bahadunn | udontknow: how have you been? |
| 00:52.57 | udontknow | bahadunn: yah.... |
| 00:52.58 | lazarus | oh no, what happened to gcc? another epoch :( |
| 00:52.59 | Caesar | NTFS write support under Linux is experimental |
| 00:53.02 | Nanobot2k | F~Caesar: will do, thanks again |
| 00:53.17 | Nanobot2k | cant he set the external drive for linux through samba? |
| 00:53.17 | udontknow | bahadunn: I'm fine, and you? |
| 00:53.21 | Nanobot2k | cuz he always wants windows support |
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| 00:53.23 | LSorensen | dhruv: what partition type did you make it? |
| 00:53.28 | bahadunn | udontknow: im fine thanks |
| 00:53.34 | Caesar | dhruv: If you need compatibility with both OSes, you might need to partition the 200G down to something small enough to handle FAT32... |
| 00:53.41 | udontknow | bahadunn: whats up? |
| 00:53.54 | dhruv | LSorensen: it's blank now, i think a primary partition |
| 00:53.59 | marcst | dhruv: i'd make partitions then you could do fat32, ntfs rw in linux isn't really safe |
| 00:54.19 | lazarus | gcc is an urgency=medium, buut i can't really see any reason for that either, nor for the new epoch |
| 00:54.37 | dhruv | Nanobot2k raises a point, could i just use sambamount and ntfs together? |
| 00:54.58 | Caesar | dhruv: You've got to have two machines if you want to do that. |
| 00:55.12 | dhruv | Caesar: ah, whoops. |
| 00:55.15 | Caesar | dhruv: One acting as the samba server with all the disk, and one as the client, mounting it |
| 00:55.28 | LSorensen | dhruv: what IS are you trying to format it with? |
| 00:55.48 | LSorensen | er what OS |
| 00:56.05 | Caesar | If you want the space to be accessible to Windoze and Linux, you have to choose a lowest common denominator filesystem, which is probably going to be FAT if you want rw |
| 00:56.09 | LSorensen | dhruv: XP for some stupid reason can't format fat32 larger than 32GB. I believe mkdosfs can though |
| 00:56.16 | LSorensen | dhruv: MS says FAT32 can be up to 2TB |
| 00:56.23 | Caesar | If FAT32 can't cope with 200G, you'll need to partition it up into 32G chunks |
| 00:56.34 | dhruv | LSorensen: I tried under XP and with debian mkfs.vfat. |
| 00:56.43 | dhruv | is mkdosfs another package? |
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| 00:56.48 | LSorensen | dhruv: try with mkdosfs -F 32 |
| 00:56.57 | witless | how can i set the default font sizes used by gtk1 apps on debian unstable? |
| 00:57.01 | dhruv | LSorensen: will do, thanks |
| 00:57.18 | marcst | unless i'm mistaken, w2k won't allow fat32 larger than 32 gigs, but xp should (i never tried with xp) |
| 00:57.56 | bahadunn | udontknow: nothing much just hacking some code and playing with debian |
| 00:58.00 | bahadunn | udontknow: whats up with you? |
| 00:58.04 | LSorensen | marcst: MS says XP doesn't format larger than 32GB. no mention that win2k can't (I believe it can) |
| 00:58.18 | LSorensen | marcst: and XP can use larger than 32GB |
| 00:58.30 | marcst | LSorensen: really? i thought it was the opposite (about formatting) |
| 00:58.40 | LSorensen | marcst: not according to MS. I just checked their tech notes |
| 00:58.49 | marcst | LSorensen: well from personal experience, w2k won't format larger than 32gig... :) |
| 00:58.59 | LSorensen | marcst: well then MS is just sloppy :) |
| 00:59.10 | dhruv | i read that you are able to format > 32 GB with win 98/me but they introduced that because cluster sizes got too high for fat 32 |
| 00:59.12 | marcst | LSorensen: big surprise there hehe |
| 00:59.14 | LSorensen | marcst: I can't imagine wanting more than 32G in one fat partition |
| 00:59.32 | LSorensen | dhruv: they can't be higher than they already were with FAT16 at 2GB |
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| 00:59.38 | Guerin | you can format >32 with winme and some versions of 2000 |
| 00:59.41 | Guerin | I'm told |
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| 01:00.17 | Guerin | there was something on /. a week or so ago |
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| 01:00.23 | programmer90 | Whats a clone of unix for free? |
| 01:00.34 | LSorensen | http://www.mager.org/mkdosfs/mkdosfs/mkdosfs.txt has info on how to do it |
| 01:00.38 | Caesar | programmer90: wtf? Linux! |
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| 01:00.44 | Nanobot2k | how do i restart my inetd service? |
| 01:00.45 | Supaplex | scarynetworkguy: install a cron job ;) |
| 01:00.47 | udontknow | bahadunn: playing with slack, netbsd and helping dad |
| 01:00.57 | Supaplex | Nanobot2k: /etc/init.d/service restart |
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| 01:01.01 | programmer90 | Caesar: never heard of i t, thanks |
| 01:01.02 | scarynetworkguy | Caesar, dont feed the troll |
| 01:01.03 | Nanobot2k | thanks |
| 01:01.12 | Caesar | Hrm. Okay. |
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| 01:01.14 | programmer90 | Im not a troll! |
| 01:01.14 | scarynetworkguy | Supaplex, lawn care over tcp/ip. I'd pay for that |
| 01:01.15 | lazarus | Nanobot2k: /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 01:01.29 | Nanobot2k | there we go, heh worked :P |
| 01:01.34 | programmer90 | scarynetowrkguy: Mind your own business |
| 01:01.35 | bahadunn | udontknow: the debian/kfreebsd port is coming along nicely. they will have a live cd soon |
| 01:01.35 | Supaplex | scarynetworkguy: check cpan? heehehe |
| 01:01.39 | lazarus | Nanobot2k: this for after you edit /etc/inetd.conf for example |
| 01:01.43 | bahadunn | udontknow: im looking forward to it |
| 01:01.51 | Nanobot2k | what about if i edited /etc/hosts ? |
| 01:02.08 | scarynetworkguy | Supaplex, I think I'd need hardware |
| 01:02.15 | Caesar | Nanobot2k: Is this for your qmail problem? Restart qmail. |
| 01:02.17 | lazarus | Nanobot2k: unrelated |
| 01:02.25 | programmer90 | scarynetworkguy: and dont call people trolls, people like you make this world a bad place now shutup and dont talk |
| 01:02.35 | Nanobot2k | caeser qmail isnt installed..im trying to install it and it gives me the error |
| 01:02.38 | programmer90 | i just had a question |
| 01:02.42 | Nanobot2k | 192.168.1.102 home.nanobot2k.org |
| 01:02.46 | Nanobot2k | i added that |
| 01:02.52 | Nanobot2k | but it gives me the same error |
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| 01:03.05 | Caesar | Nanobot2k: What exactly gives you the error? |
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| 01:03.23 | lazarus | Nanobot2k: if you're changing addys here and there, have you considered that you may need to edit your mta's conffiles also? |
| 01:03.27 | Nanobot2k | the ./config file |
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| 01:03.49 | Nanobot2k | for qmail |
| 01:03.58 | Caesar | Nanobot2k: So if you go host home.nanobot2k.org, what happens? |
| 01:03.59 | Nanobot2k | F~lazarus: i justed added one thing to /etc/hosts |
| 01:04.07 | Nanobot2k | Your hostname is delphi. |
| 01:04.07 | Nanobot2k | hard error |
| 01:04.07 | Nanobot2k | Sorry, I couldn't find your host's canonical name in DNS. |
| 01:04.07 | Nanobot2k | You will have to set up control/me yourself. |
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| 01:04.16 | lazarus | Nanobot2k: is your mta configured to know it's the host in question? |
| 01:04.20 | Nanobot2k | sorry |
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| 01:04.31 | Nanobot2k | pardon me? how do i check that? |
| 01:04.41 | Caesar | Nanobot2k: if your hostname is delphi, that's what you need to be putting in /etc/hosts |
| 01:04.49 | Caesar | Not home.nanobot2k.org |
| 01:04.50 | lazarus | Nanobot2k: grep for it in it's conffiles |
| 01:04.55 | udontknow | bahadunn: nice. sorry for the delay. |
| 01:05.24 | Nanobot2k | caeser tried it right now, same |
| 01:05.28 | lazarus | Nanobot2k: one more thing, "delphi" should probably be your eth0-ish ip address, not your localhost ip, 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:05.30 | Nanobot2k | F~lazarus: hold on let me try |
| 01:06.03 | programmer90 | Im destroying debian! network dude made me mad! |
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| 01:06.28 | bahadunn | udontknow: dont worry about it im delayed as well. I got a lot going on samw as you |
| 01:06.36 | Nanobot2k | alright let me set it up |
| 01:06.38 | lazarus | programmer90: say "!ops" in channel if you mean to do that |
| 01:07.11 | programmer90 | huh? |
| 01:07.13 | Nanobot2k | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 01:07.13 | Nanobot2k | 192.168.1.102 home.nanobot2k.org delphi |
| 01:07.16 | Nanobot2k | is this right? |
| 01:07.23 | Caesar | No |
| 01:07.27 | Nanobot2k | arg =/ |
| 01:07.28 | rikky | any on have a good channel to go to for firwalls trying to do the eqvilent of a DMZ on a linux firwall |
| 01:07.29 | lazarus | Nanobot2k: closer, yeah |
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| 01:07.33 | Caesar | 192.168.1.102 delphi.nanobot2k.org delphi |
| 01:07.40 | Supaplex | rikky: #iptables |
| 01:07.43 | Caesar | Crikey |
| 01:07.45 | Nanobot2k | but home.nanobot2k.org actually resolves to my ip |
| 01:07.49 | Nanobot2k | thats why i put that |
| 01:07.51 | mdh | rikky: #iptables ? |
| 01:07.53 | Caesar | Then change your hostname to home |
| 01:07.57 | Nanobot2k | ok |
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| 01:08.08 | dhruv | LSorensen: mkdosfs worked great in linux, i'm going to reboot and try it out in windows. Thanks everyone for your help |
| 01:08.08 | rikky | kk TY ill tryed to pull a channel guild it hasent come up still |
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| 01:08.12 | Nanobot2k | awesome, it worked! :P |
| 01:08.17 | Nanobot2k | thanks a bunch caeser :) |
| 01:08.20 | Nanobot2k | and lazarus |
| 01:08.24 | lazarus | np |
| 01:08.25 | mdh | rikky: it takes a while, there's a lot of them ;) |
| 01:08.27 | Caesar | No worries |
| 01:09.15 | Nanobot2k | doh, same problem..it just took a while to load up so i though it had worked =/ |
| 01:09.26 | Nanobot2k | im follownig this guide http://www.pipeline.com.au/staff/mbowe/isp/webmail-server.htm#QMAIL |
| 01:09.31 | Nanobot2k | so though it'd be pretty easy heh |
| 01:09.50 | Caesar | qmail's horrible. Why not just use Exim, at least it's packaged for Debian. |
| 01:09.52 | Nanobot2k | found an old 350mhz pc a few days ago so i though id mess around with debian |
| 01:10.07 | lazarus | Caesar: and has a reasonable license |
| 01:10.14 | Nanobot2k | well im trying to setup a proper mail server with debian |
| 01:10.17 | Caesar | Which is why qmail is not packaged for Debian |
| 01:10.21 | Nanobot2k | and thats the only guide i found |
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| 01:10.35 | Caesar | Google harder |
| 01:10.40 | Caesar | qmail is the pits |
| 01:11.06 | Caesar | You still need to sort out your hostname issues |
| 01:11.13 | Caesar | what does "hostname" say? |
| 01:11.13 | kil04 | what util does debian have to detect wireless cards, if any |
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| 01:11.22 | Nanobot2k | Your hostname is delphi. |
| 01:11.27 | Nanobot2k | even though i edited it |
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| 01:11.50 | Caesar | hostname is set in /etc/hostname and you ideally need to reboot to change it after editting the file |
| 01:12.03 | lazarus | kil04: /msg dpkg kp |
| 01:12.04 | dondelelcaro | Caesar: no, a reboot is not necessary at all. |
| 01:12.07 | Caesar | what does "hostname --fqdn" say? |
| 01:12.09 | mdh | Caesar: also check /etc/hosts |
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| 01:12.18 | Caesar | No? |
| 01:12.20 | dondelelcaro | Caesar: no. |
| 01:12.22 | Nanobot2k | delphi:/usr/local/src/qmail-1.03# hostname --fqdn |
| 01:12.22 | Nanobot2k | hostname: Unknown host |
| 01:12.33 | scarynetworkguy | So I've figured out why we have not heard from aliens yet |
| 01:12.35 | dondelelcaro | Nanobot2k: what does hostname; report? |
| 01:12.35 | scarynetworkguy | harder and faster |
| 01:12.43 | dondelelcaro | Nanobot2k: paste /etc/hosts into #flood. |
| 01:13.03 | Nanobot2k | its two lines only |
| 01:13.04 | Nanobot2k | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 01:13.06 | Nanobot2k | and |
| 01:13.09 | Nanobot2k | 69.193.84.197 home.nanobot2k.org home |
| 01:13.14 | GmLB | Hello, I have a soundblaster audigy card installed with debian "testing." Lsmod shows the driver (emu10k) is loaded, but the mixer only has ONE input and ONE output for the device? It seems rather broken, and sound doesn't work. System beeps do come out of the spekaers attached to the audigy card though... any ideas/faqs? |
| 01:13.28 | Caesar | Nanobot2k: Okay add delphi after the second home |
| 01:13.31 | dondelelcaro | Nanobot2k: and presumably 69.193.84.197 is your ethernet address, and home is your machine name. |
| 01:13.58 | scarynetworkguy | GmLB, I can't help you with the channel issue but are you running KDE or GNOME? |
| 01:14.03 | Caesar | 69.193.84.197 home.nanobot2k.org home delphi |
| 01:14.09 | Nanobot2k | 192.168.1.102 is my ethernet address and home.nanobot2k.org resolves to my WAN ip which is 69... |
| 01:14.17 | Nanobot2k | alright, hold |
| 01:14.17 | porthos | hi i'm new to debian and I'm trying to get my linksys wpc11 does not work with wep. I had it working with another distro but i wanted to learn debian. i've lookat a few howto's but they don't work. i do iwconfig essid mynet key 12345abcdef678a9, then ifconfig eth1 up, then dhclient eth1, but it never connects. again, it worked on another distro. any suggestions? |
| 01:14.33 | Nanobot2k | nada, same problem |
| 01:14.39 | Nanobot2k | mabye thie problem is in /etc/hostname? |
| 01:14.46 | GmLB | scarynetworkguy, KDE |
| 01:14.49 | Caesar | No... |
| 01:15.01 | debian | porthos: .... where do you live. :) |
| 01:15.01 | Nanobot2k | ok |
| 01:15.05 | GmLB | scarynetworkguy, But, aumix has simmilar issues |
| 01:15.13 | porthos | debian: nc, why? |
| 01:15.41 | porthos | lol! that's not the real key and essid! ;) |
| 01:15.44 | GmLB | Is there a way to set the default soundcard in a computer, because i have one also attached to my motherbaord? |
| 01:15.45 | Caesar | Nanobot2k: paste that second line again? |
| 01:15.59 | scarynetworkguy | GmLB, do you have the "sound system" turned on? Check in control panel. sound and multimedia sound system If you have it turned on turn it off log off and log back in and then sound will work Like I said I don't know about the channels issue |
| 01:16.00 | mdh | GmLB: as far as I recall, the output device at least is multiplexed, ie you only see one node but through it you can get the 32/64/whatever simultaneous voices |
| 01:16.03 | Nanobot2k | 69.193.84.197 home.nanobot2k.org home delphi |
| 01:16.04 | lazarus | porthos: did you really mean to trtash your security by posting that in a channel known to have lurking crackers? |
| 01:16.04 | debian | porthos: it wouldn't help if you just said 'it worked on another distro'. Just tell us any useful info that could help you from there |
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| 01:16.33 | porthos | lazarus: i didn't post my real essid and key... |
| 01:16.44 | GmLB | mdh: So why don't I hear any sound? And how do I select for instance, which input to use? AUx, CD, mic, etc |
| 01:16.47 | Caesar | Nanobot2k: okay so hostname returns delphi, but hostname --fqdn returns nothing? |
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| 01:16.54 | debian | lazarus: hey generalization sucks! :) |
| 01:16.56 | Nanobot2k | yep thats correct |
| 01:17.07 | Nanobot2k | delphi:/usr/local/src/qmail-1.03# cat /etc/hostname |
| 01:17.07 | Nanobot2k | delphi |
| 01:17.07 | scarynetworkguy | lazarus, don't tell him about me. damn you. :) |
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| 01:17.17 | lazarus | scarynetworkguy: heh |
| 01:17.18 | scarynetworkguy | GmLB, do you have the "sound system" turned on? Check in control panel. sound and multimedia sound system If you have it turned on turn it off log off and log back in and then sound will work Like I said I don't know about the channels issue |
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| 01:17.29 | GmLB | scarynetworkguy, Yes it is on... why would that interfer? |
| 01:17.29 | porthos | debian: those are the steps i used on the same laptop and that card under FC1 and it worked fine. I'm new to wep so please be patient with me. :) what info do you need? |
| 01:17.32 | mdh | GmLB: that's all up to the application using the sound card |
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| 01:17.55 | Caesar | does /etc/host.conf say "order hosts,bind"? |
| 01:17.59 | scarynetworkguy | GmLB, yes that is why I gave you step by step instructions on how to turn it off. It is broken and keeps you from playing anything else just now |
| 01:18.18 | debian | porthos: not that I can help, just give you general help in raising question :) |
| 01:18.21 | Nanobot2k | yep and the secondline says "multi on" |
| 01:18.22 | scarynetworkguy | lazarus, of course getting the wep key only saves you about 5 minutes. |
| 01:18.26 | porthos | debian: thx |
| 01:18.35 | GmLB | scarynetworkguy, heh, thanks. |
| 01:18.37 | trman | i want to watch some avis in my dvd player, from what i have read i have to cahnge the encoding to svcd, any one has a howto, or can help with it? |
| 01:18.43 | scarynetworkguy | GmLB, np |
| 01:18.44 | GmLB | scarynetworkguy, brb I'll give it a shot. |
| 01:18.48 | Flimzy | I have a brand new Apache installation that doesn't seem to be passing POST data to CGI scripts. What would cause this? |
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| 01:18.54 | Caesar | Nanobot2k: I'm running out of ideas... |
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| 01:19.00 | lazarus | scarynetworkguy: you maybe, i'm on a 486dx33, saves a week or three maybe ;) |
| 01:19.04 | Caesar | What's dnsdomainname say? |
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| 01:19.19 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: almost nothing could cause it... |
| 01:19.22 | scarynetworkguy | lazarus, yea it would help you. :) |
| 01:19.31 | Nanobot2k | well would restarting help? or changing hostname? |
| 01:19.37 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Well then that narrows it down a lot, eh? :) |
| 01:19.37 | Nanobot2k | was that ment for me caeser? |
| 01:19.47 | Nanobot2k | delphi:/usr/local/src/qmail-1.03# dnsdomainname |
| 01:19.47 | Nanobot2k | nanobot2k.org |
| 01:19.56 | lazarus | scarynetworkguy: it would help me a lot more if i had any wep-capable hw i guess, heh |
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| 01:20.27 | scarynetworkguy | lazarus, most likely |
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| 01:21.00 | lazarus | okay, this storm is getting bad, i'm going to go out in it therefore ;) |
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| 01:21.29 | scarynetworkguy | lazarus, when I was a weather guy in the Air Farce I used to *love* getting to go outside in thunder storms. :) |
| 01:22.03 | lazarus | scarynetworkguy: let's see how badly the car hydroplanes on my way for sustenance ;) |
| 01:22.11 | scarynetworkguy | lazarus, have fun man |
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| 01:22.27 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, yea and you just got done with the season for some great ones |
| 01:23.07 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: use a simple CGI script to test it... something in perl with use CGI; should be pretty straight forward. |
| 01:23.07 | Caesar | Nanobot2k: what exactly does hostname --fqdn say? |
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| 01:23.47 | scarynetworkguy | comic book guy voice: Best rock line *ever* |
| 01:23.58 | Nanobot2k | let me check |
| 01:24.10 | Nanobot2k | delphi:/usr/local/src/qmail-1.03# hostname --fqdn |
| 01:24.10 | Nanobot2k | home.nanobot2k.org |
| 01:24.16 | Nanobot2k | it says that now, oddly enough |
| 01:24.20 | Nanobot2k | before it said unknown |
| 01:24.25 | scarynetworkguy | Little Miss bring-a-gun-to-a-knife-fight |
| 01:24.26 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: YEs, that's what I've done. |
| 01:24.52 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: And I have thus determined that POST data is not being received by the script. Thus my original question :) |
| 01:24.54 | Caesar | Okay, do home.nanobot2k.org and delphi.nanobot2k.org both resolve? |
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| 01:25.03 | Nanobot2k | only home.nanobot2k.org resolves |
| 01:25.18 | Nanobot2k | to 69.193.84.197 |
| 01:25.24 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: how have you determined that the post data is not being received by the script? |
| 01:25.29 | Nanobot2k | which is the WAN, debian is 192.168.1.102 |
| 01:25.30 | Caesar | Hmm, hence methinks you need to change your hostname... |
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| 01:25.39 | Nanobot2k | to home? |
| 01:25.45 | Caesar | I think so |
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| 01:26.02 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: When the form says 'method=POST', then the variables in the script are emtpy. When the form says method=get, the variables are received. An identical script works with method=POST on another host. |
| 01:26.02 | Nanobot2k | ok |
| 01:26.09 | Nanobot2k | changed, shall i reboot now? |
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| 01:26.36 | Caesar | Apparently you don't need to |
| 01:26.43 | Caesar | Try going /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:26.46 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: are you using squid or anything? |
| 01:27.01 | notben | Anybody know a good description of using debian-installer to setup a dual boot system? |
| 01:27.13 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: No. I got rid of all proxies for my tests. |
| 01:27.37 | Nanobot2k | doh heh i just lost ssh cuz of that |
| 01:27.40 | Nanobot2k | ill just reboot it |
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| 01:27.59 | Caesar | notben: the TC1 version of the debian-installer should detect other operating systems and set up GRUB to boot between them |
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| 01:28.53 | mdh | Nanobot2k: just ssh back in |
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| 01:29.02 | notben | caesar: awesome, I'll try that out. Beta4 hadn't worked for me. |
| 01:29.03 | Nanobot2k | tried, refused so i rebooted |
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| 01:29.15 | Caesar | notben: A lot's been fixed up since beta4 |
| 01:29.17 | mdh | Nanobot2k: rebooting is something you do when there's a hardware change or some kernel issue |
| 01:29.44 | Nanobot2k | will keep that in mind :) |
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| 01:29.49 | Caesar | mdh: it's also the lazy man's way of making sure everything that needs a restart to get a config change gets restarted :-) |
| 01:29.56 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: hrm... have you tried sumbitting a POST request by hand using telnet? |
| 01:30.16 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: No. What would that accomplish? |
| 01:30.17 | Caesar | talking even |
| 01:30.27 | Caesar | Flimzy: you can see exactly what's going on |
| 01:31.00 | Flimzy | Caesar: I won't see anything happening between the web server and the CGI script, which is where i suspect the problem is taking place. |
| 01:31.02 | mdh | Caesar: er.. that would be the idiots way, not the lazy man's way |
| 01:31.05 | Nanobot2k | doh |
| 01:31.09 | Nanobot2k | Your hostname is home. |
| 01:31.12 | Nanobot2k | but same error |
| 01:31.13 | Caesar | mdh: now now |
| 01:31.18 | The_Vulture | Flimzy: suspicions are overrated.. test things |
| 01:31.28 | Caesar | Flimzy: What's your CGI script written in? |
| 01:31.34 | Flimzy | Caesar: Perl. |
| 01:31.38 | mdh | lazy men don't want to put up with the support calls for the 20 other services they just took down |
| 01:31.38 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: all that happens with a POST request is that the data is sent over STDIN. I'm not aware of any configuration options that you can use to turn POST methods off that wouldn't genrate a "POST is not authorized for this url." |
| 01:31.44 | Caesar | Flimzy: using CGI.pm? |
| 01:31.52 | Flimzy | Caesar: aye |
| 01:32.16 | mdh | by hitting the power cycle button rather than "/etc/init.d/<foo> restart |
| 01:32.37 | Caesar | Flimzy: If you want to run the CGI script locally by hand, you can do that and it'll ask you for the parameters on STDIN, but I agree with dondelelcaro, if you're getting denied doing a POST it sounds like a webserver access control |
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| 01:33.00 | Caesar | mdh: who said hit the power button? Type reboot, init 6, shutdown -r now, crikey, I'd never just power cycle a box... |
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| 01:33.28 | Flimzy | Caesar: I'm not getting 'denied'... so to speak. The POST data is just (apparantly) never reaching the script. |
| 01:33.29 | GmLB | How do I make sure OSS is disabled after apt-getting alsa? |
| 01:33.35 | mdh | FWIW I will rid the world of the Microsoft mentality (one person, n front of the box, only user) if it takes me my entire life |
| 01:33.38 | The_Vulture | Flimzy: what do you actually observe? |
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| 01:33.53 | JoshTriplett | GmLB: If you built both as modules, just don't load the OSS modules. |
| 01:33.55 | The_Vulture | mdh: what's the problem with single-user systems? |
| 01:34.07 | Caesar | Flimzy: But you're sure the script is executing? |
| 01:34.09 | Flimzy | The_Vulture: query->param("foo") is NULL when data is sent via POST, but has the expected value when the form's method is set to 'GET' |
| 01:34.13 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: what is different about this machine from others that work? Are you using mod_perl? Do you have something else that is acting as the handler? |
| 01:34.18 | Flimzy | Caesar: Yes. I get output from the script. |
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| 01:34.42 | JoshTriplett | GmLB: If you use hotplug to load the modules, alsa adds all the OSS modules to the hotplug blacklist when installed, so you shouldn't need to do anything. |
| 01:34.45 | Caesar | Flimzy: Try running by hand on the webserver locally, and try telnetting and doing a manual POST |
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| 01:34.54 | mdh | The_Vulture: nothing, the problem is with the habits formed, like rebooting pointlessly "because its easier/just in case" |
| 01:34.55 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: I don't know.... to the best of my (apparantly too limited) knowledge, the relevant configurations are identical. Both running Debian woody. |
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| 01:35.04 | GmLB | JoshTriplett, Thanks |
| 01:35.12 | Flimzy | Caesar: I'm not familiar with the appropriate format of a manual POST. |
| 01:35.13 | JoshTriplett | GmLB: If you were loading them manually with /etc/modules, remove the OSS modules and add the ALSA modules. |
| 01:35.15 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: diff the configuration files... |
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| 01:35.45 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: I copied httpd.conf from the first host to the second, then made only the necessary changes with <VirtualHost> entries. |
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| 01:35.55 | be80be | has any 1 installed Mplayer in testing |
| 01:35.58 | mdh | The_Vulture: I had to ween a friend out of that habit, he was a DOS/Windows user most of his life and hence was used to rebooting, ran a single-user Linux system and was still in that habit, then went on to sysadmin multiuser systems *with that habit* |
| 01:36.06 | Caesar | Flimzy: Go "POST URI HTTP/1.1" |
| 01:36.08 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: yes, but httpd.conf is only part of the configuration... |
| 01:36.18 | Caesar | Flimzy: Then go "Host: foo" |
| 01:36.21 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Understood. |
| 01:36.23 | Caesar | Flimzy: Then go "name=value" |
| 01:36.23 | Nanobot2k | oh oh |
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| 01:36.27 | Nanobot2k | you know what it could be? |
| 01:36.33 | The_Vulture | mdh: agreed |
| 01:36.34 | Caesar | Flimzy: rinse and repeat for each name/value pair |
| 01:36.34 | Nanobot2k | conflicts between exim and qmail |
| 01:36.37 | JoshTriplett | be80be: I've installed MPlayer in unstable. |
| 01:36.48 | JoshTriplett | be80be: Or rather, built from source. |
| 01:36.50 | peterS | Caesar: wait, isn't there an extra newline before name=value? |
| 01:36.51 | Nanobot2k | and no :| |
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| 01:37.04 | Caesar | peterS: you could be right actually... |
| 01:37.07 | Flimzy | Caesar: where 'foo' == the URL? Or just the host name? |
| 01:37.19 | Flimzy | Caesar: IOW, where do I put the path to the CGI script to run? |
| 01:37.26 | Caesar | Flimzy: The local (not host) part of the URL |
| 01:37.31 | peterS | Flimzy: foo is the virtual host you're trying to reach. you have to name it, since there can be more than one per IP address |
| 01:37.36 | be80be | <JoshTriplett> did you have a hard time getting the gtk-dev |
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| 01:37.50 | Caesar | Flimzy: POST /cgi-bin/my/dodgey/cgi.pl HTTP/1.1 |
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| 01:37.56 | JoshTriplett | be80be: I didn't build the GUI, so no. |
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| 01:38.16 | Flimzy | Caesar: And then how do I end the request? |
| 01:38.49 | be80be | <JoshTriplett> can you use the mpluger with out the gui |
| 01:39.00 | Flimzy | Caesar: ahh, gotcha |
| 01:39.04 | PrideF | i'm using gnome 2.6 from debian unstable. Everything appears to work with sound when the volume is properly adjusted. However, when I log out and log back in, my sound levels return to default (PCM, most noticeably). I have googled and looked for any mention of this problem with no luck. I have saved the session when logging out, but no change. any suggestions? |
| 01:39.05 | be80be | in mozilla |
| 01:39.22 | Caesar | Flimzy: All good? |
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| 01:39.38 | loke___ | how can i check my screen resolution in debian? |
| 01:39.40 | Flimzy | Caessar: All but the last Q... how do I indicate the end of the variable list? |
| 01:39.53 | Caesar | Flimzy: two blank likes, like you end off a GET request |
| 01:40.05 | Flimzy | Caesar, okay |
| 01:40.15 | JoshTriplett | be80be: You mean mozplugger or mplayerplug-in? As far as I know, yes. You just don't get the play/pause/etc controls. |
| 01:40.16 | Caesar | loke___: xdpyinfo will tell you lots of stuff about your screen settings. Probably too much |
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| 01:40.33 | be80be | ok |
| 01:40.33 | Flimzy | bleh... 400 error |
| 01:40.35 | dn | http://www.shawna-model.com/series/015.jpg |
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| 01:40.48 | okiniko | Has anyone who is using GNOME or KDE on Unstable done a dist-upgrade followed by a restart of your X server today? |
| 01:40.51 | Caesar | Flimzy: That sounds like what you were getting with a web browser... |
| 01:40.57 | loke___ | Caesar it says alot |
| 01:41.01 | Caesar | 400 errors are access control type errors |
| 01:41.04 | Flimzy | Caesar, No, that's nothing like whta I get with my web browser :) |
| 01:41.08 | okiniko | I did so, and found that font rendering has become very screwey... |
| 01:41.09 | Flimzy | 400 is "Bad request" |
| 01:41.12 | JoshTriplett | okiniko: Yes, with KDE. |
| 01:41.19 | okiniko | JoshTriplett: Fonts rendering okay? |
| 01:41.20 | PrideF | okiniko, yes, with GNOME |
| 01:41.21 | Caesar | Flimzy: join #flood for a sec |
| 01:41.24 | Flimzy | At least that's what it tells me... "400 Bad Request" |
| 01:41.30 | JoshTriplett | okiniko: Do you, by any chance, use ttf-freefont? |
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| 01:41.43 | JoshTriplett | okiniko: Meaning FreeSans, FreeSerif, or FreeMono? |
| 01:41.44 | okiniko | JoshTriplett: Why, yes I do :-) |
| 01:42.01 | JoshTriplett | okiniko: And you are seeing spacing problems? |
| 01:42.07 | okiniko | JoshTriplett: Why, yes I am :-) |
| 01:42.19 | JoshTriplett | okiniko: Downgrade to the previous version; the current version is broken. |
| 01:42.26 | okiniko | JoshTriplett: Thanks a million |
| 01:42.32 | loke___ | i added 1600x1400 to XF86Config-4 but it still uses 1024x768, how do i switch it? |
| 01:42.38 | dn | [21:39] * Now talking in #jesus |
| 01:42.38 | dn | [21:39] * Topic is 'Find Purpose In Life. Helping Each Other Grow Deeper In God's Love.' |
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| 01:43.20 | Justin | loke___: read the X log |
| 01:43.29 | medgno | loke___: you'll need to restart x, if you haven't already |
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| 01:43.33 | loke___ | Justin where can i find it |
| 01:43.46 | loke___ | medgno is logging out considered restarting? |
| 01:43.50 | Justin | loke___: /var/log/ |
| 01:44.01 | medgno | loke___: are you using gdm or kdm, do you know? |
| 01:44.02 | JoshTriplett | loke___: You have several options. If you want it to be used by default, make sure it comes first in the resolution list. If you want to change to it after you start, try xrandr. |
| 01:44.04 | scarynetworkguy | I should just take round up to the whole thing |
| 01:44.08 | loke___ | flux |
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| 01:44.16 | Calvin18 | help |
| 01:44.19 | loke___ | JoshTriplett it is first |
| 01:44.19 | be80be | <JoshTriplett> i installed it on xandros and got the gui to work but xandros sucks for speed so dumped it and reinstall debian testing but i cant get the gtk-dev to install |
| 01:44.34 | Calvin18 | my linuxbox always fail to chdir for all non-root accounts |
| 01:44.41 | Calvin18 | now i can't do anything... |
| 01:44.54 | wm | heh |
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| 01:45.03 | Calvin18 | it happened when i accidentally scanned /dev using a virus scanner over smb... |
| 01:45.19 | loke___ | medgno is loging oout of flux considered restarting x |
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| 01:45.33 | medgno | loke___: sometimes, it depends on the logon manager :-/ |
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| 01:45.39 | loke___ | ok |
| 01:45.39 | simonrvn | Calvin18: so fix it |
| 01:45.43 | loke___ | ill restart the box |
| 01:45.45 | loke___ | thanx |
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| 01:45.57 | simonrvn | Calvin18: cd /dev; MAKEDEV generic-$arch |
| 01:46.15 | Calvin18 | simonrvn: remake my /dev ? |
| 01:46.16 | dn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:49.01 | gnamakas | hi, is there an easy way to copy just the directory structure including all perms/timestamps etc to a remote host rsync?tar? |
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| 01:49.28 | gnamakas | I was trying with find -type d ... |
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| 01:49.35 | scarynetworkguy | Hey anybody in Seattle going to go to PAX? |
| 01:49.37 | FallingCow | .deb's can be signed right? If so, how would I check the signature? |
| 01:49.45 | scarynetworkguy | yes that is a pole |
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| 01:50.12 | Caesar | FallingCow: There's something on the Debian website about signed debs, let me check for you |
| 01:50.12 | loke___ | still cant get it to 1600x1400 after restarting? |
| 01:50.13 | JoshTriplett | FallingCow: I believe the latest version of apt does so automatically. |
| 01:50.35 | loke___ | how do i use xrandr? xrandr -s 1600x1400? |
| 01:51.10 | scarynetworkguy | I just learned that if you spell *really* badly that kmail will turn off the spell checker. That is pretty damn cool |
| 01:51.15 | gnamakas | basically I want to mirror just the directory structure |
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| 01:51.23 | zrg | hi. |
| 01:51.24 | JoshTriplett | loke___: I honestly don't know; I use krandrtray, a KDE tray icon that provides a menu of all available resolutions. |
| 01:51.43 | wm | any easy way to find out if 2.2.20 stable has been patched for VPN masquerade support? |
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| 01:51.51 | scarynetworkguy | loke___, are your monitor settings right? What vid card do you have? |
| 01:51.54 | zrg | when i installed debian it asked about home dir secutrity and stuff. how i can let other users browse other users home dirs. how to remove this |
| 01:51.56 | Flimzy | Caesar: Well... as much fun as I think it will be to learn the proper method for sending a manual POST... I still don't think that's going to solve my problem :) |
| 01:51.57 | FallingCow | Caesar, JoshTriplett: mostly I'm curious because I'm giving a gpg talk tomorrow and wanted to include it as an example of using gpg in the real world (I use debian but couldn't figure out for myself how to check sigs) |
| 01:52.14 | loke___ | scarynetworkguy, ati but the drivers are not installed |
| 01:52.31 | simonrvn | wm: 2.2.20 kernel? i doubt it |
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| 01:52.38 | wm | zrg: chmod a-r /home/* |
| 01:52.38 | Caesar | FallingCow: Can't seem to find what I was looking for... |
| 01:52.41 | scarynetworkguy | loke___, an what do you have your monitor freqs set to. BTW not having the drivers is most likely your problem |
| 01:52.50 | scarynetworkguy | god weezer is so good it just hurts |
| 01:52.51 | loke___ | JoshTriplett the --help shows -s <size>/<width>x<height> |
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| 01:53.02 | wm | simonrvn : says, "Patches are also available for kernels 2.2.5 to 2.2.16, and may work with earlier kernels in the 2.2.x series." |
| 01:53.08 | loke___ | scarynetworkguy, well i hear that ati's drivers suck |
| 01:53.09 | wm | anyway |
| 01:53.12 | simonrvn | wm: wow. i'm amazed |
| 01:53.21 | scarynetworkguy | loke___, don't know I've been a nvidia guy since 98 |
| 01:53.23 | loke___ | scarynetworkguy and are hard to install and get working |
| 01:53.24 | JoshTriplett | loke___: I use them every day. |
| 01:53.27 | wm | well, it doesn't explicitely say taht it's in the 2.2.17 and up |
| 01:53.37 | loke___ | JoshTriplett u use ati drivers? |
| 01:53.38 | wm | so i was just gonna try and find out how to tell |
| 01:53.39 | simonrvn | wm: you'll have to patch it yourself maybe. |
| 01:53.43 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Oh, you mean ATI's proprietary driver. |
| 01:53.48 | loke___ | yes |
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| 01:53.51 | Caesar | FallingCow: look at debsigs, and the apt in experimental does some funky signature checking stuff |
| 01:53.52 | JoshTriplett | loke___: I use the XFree86 radeon driver. |
| 01:53.54 | wm | yea, i guess i will. just wanted to avoid the kernel recompile |
| 01:54.09 | scarynetworkguy | loke___, have you checked the monitor thing? That is known to cause the problem you are describing |
| 01:54.11 | loke___ | JoshTriplett how do i set them up? |
| 01:54.24 | loke___ | scarynetworkguy monitor thing? |
| 01:54.42 | JoshTriplett | loke___: I don't know. Like I said, I use the Free Software drivers in XFree86. |
| 01:54.56 | loke___ | JoshTriplett how do i use the ones u are using? |
| 01:54.59 | JoshTriplett | loke___: I had forgotten that ATI came out with proprietary drivers also. |
| 01:55.21 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Have a Radeon 9200 or older, and choose the "radeon" driver when configuring X. |
| 01:55.30 | loke___ | JoshTriplett i have 9700 |
| 01:55.53 | scarynetworkguy | loke___, in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 you have a monitor section with Horizsync and verrefresh if those numbers are wrong it can cause the problem you are seeing |
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| 01:56.07 | loke___ | JoshTriplett i tried to use Xfree drivers in fedora, and almost blew my screen |
| 01:56.34 | loke___ | scarynetworkguy how can i find out what they should be? |
| 01:56.55 | JoshTriplett | loke___: The XFree86 4.3 drivers have 2D accelerated support for the radeon 9700, but no 3D. |
| 01:57.02 | scarynetworkguy | loke___, google for your monitors spec sheet. Sometimes read them off of your monitor. What do you have now? |
| 01:57.10 | JoshTriplett | loke___: If you don't need 3D, that shouldn't be a problem. |
| 01:57.26 | loke___ | JoshTriplett so how do i set it up? |
| 01:57.39 | loke___ | scarynetworkguy im checkin |
| 01:57.48 | JoshTriplett | loke___: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root, and choose the "ati" driver. |
| 01:58.17 | scarynetworkguy | loke___, also you really should listen to JoshTriplett odds are that is also part of the problem |
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| 01:58.35 | loke___ | scarynetworkguy i set it at 30-60 hor, and 50-100 vert |
| 01:58.49 | loke___ | scarynetworkguy i am doing what JoshTriplett is telling me |
| 01:58.54 | scarynetworkguy | loke___, almost certainly wrong. What size monitor is this? |
| 01:58.57 | scarynetworkguy | loke___, :) |
| 01:59.03 | loke___ | 15.4 |
| 01:59.11 | loke___ | almost certain its right |
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| 01:59.30 | scarynetworkguy | loke___, 15 inch or 17 inch with 15 visible? |
| 01:59.31 | loke___ | i have 128bit ati 9700, which supports 1920x1200 |
| 01:59.35 | be80be | loke try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:59.40 | loke___ | 15inch |
| 01:59.48 | loke___ | be80be k |
| 02:00.01 | scarynetworkguy | loke___, is this a older monitor? |
| 02:00.07 | loke___ | nope |
| 02:00.11 | JoshTriplett | loke___: When asked about how to configure the available resolutions, choose the "medium" option, and then mark every resolution you _know_ your monitor supports. |
| 02:00.15 | loke___ | brand new dell inspiron 9100 |
| 02:00.23 | loke___ | k |
| 02:00.23 | scarynetworkguy | loke___, is it a LCD? |
| 02:00.42 | JoshTriplett | loke___: "This is a laptop" is a crucial piece of information. |
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| 02:01.13 | loke___ | scarynetworkguy i dunno, its wuxga+ for sum shit |
| 02:01.18 | loke___ | scarynetworkguy its top of the line |
| 02:01.23 | JoshTriplett | loke___: I have the Inspiron 8100, with a Radeon 7500. |
| 02:01.34 | scarynetworkguy | loke___, I thought this was a desktop. :) |
| 02:01.34 | loke___ | JoshTriplett how do u like it? |
| 02:01.39 | loke___ | nope |
| 02:01.47 | loke___ | laptop |
| 02:01.49 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Love it. |
| 02:02.02 | directhex | 9700 mobile has nothing in common with 9700 desktop version |
| 02:02.07 | loke___ | yeah me too, its got bad battery life thought, and its heavy |
| 02:02.28 | loke___ | directhex really, will the xfree drivers work? |
| 02:02.30 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Did you get the "anything but intentional damage" warranty? |
| 02:02.36 | loke___ | nope |
| 02:02.40 | loke___ | just 1 year support |
| 02:02.48 | JoshTriplett | loke___: It's worth every penny. |
| 02:02.56 | loke___ | what is that JoshTriplett ? |
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| 02:03.23 | directhex | loke___, i doubt it. you need ati M10 support, not 9700 |
| 02:03.27 | dli | AUDIT: Mon Jun 14 20:48:42 2004: 9278 X: client 2 rejected from local host |
| 02:03.29 | JoshTriplett | loke___: I have the 3-year, CompleteCare warranty. Basically, short of hitting it with a hammer, Dell will fix anything with no questions asked. |
| 02:03.44 | loke___ | JoshTriplett thats nice |
| 02:03.50 | loke___ | i think i might upgrade |
| 02:03.59 | herbi | speaking of laptops |
| 02:04.08 | dli | can not run xsession as user, while root can login |
| 02:04.18 | herbi | im getting a tax reiumbursable laptop (i.e. free) on thursday |
| 02:04.20 | loke___ | im getting a ibm t41 soon, it was supposed to be mailed thurs |
| 02:04.21 | herbi | any suggestions? |
| 02:04.21 | be80be | I have 2 radeon 7500 on a laptop and 9500 on a desktop |
| 02:04.23 | debian | JoshTriplett: but they'd question you on any physical damange |
| 02:04.44 | JoshTriplett | loke___: I've had a few minor issues (mostly the power supply and keyboard). Dell shipped a new power supply, and said "here's a box to ship the old one back in when you're done checking that the new one works." |
| 02:04.53 | JoshTriplett | debian: No, not really. |
| 02:05.04 | loke___ | JoshTriplett, it says, Please enter video card's bus identifier? |
| 02:05.11 | directhex | sorry, m11 not m10 |
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| 02:05.24 | herbi | JoshTriplett? suggestions? :P |
| 02:05.24 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Isn't that the prompt that says "you can leave this blank"? |
| 02:05.33 | loke___ | nope |
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| 02:05.40 | debian | JoshTriplett: My friend has her LCD display fell off (slightly) and Dell said she did damange it intentionally (WTF?). She's still on the case, any suggestion? :) |
| 02:05.42 | be80be | just click it |
| 02:05.42 | Justin | JoshTriplett: only if you bothered to read the previous screen |
| 02:05.55 | loke___ | JoshTriplett all it says is that? |
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| 02:06.03 | loke___ | bus identifier? |
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| 02:06.20 | loke___ | it told me to lspci? |
| 02:06.23 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Yes. I believe on x86 systems with only one video card, you can leave it blank. |
| 02:06.29 | loke___ | k |
| 02:06.34 | be80be | it will be some thing like 00 00 01 00 |
| 02:06.50 | directhex | loke___, the m10 isn't supported by the ati proprietary driver, am checking for level of support in the xfree driver |
| 02:06.52 | loke___ | be80be do i need to enter it? |
| 02:06.56 | JoshTriplett | debian: Did you get the CompleteCare warranty, or just the standard warranty |
| 02:07.00 | be80be | just click ok to what it has |
| 02:07.08 | JoshTriplett | loke___: no, just leave it blank. |
| 02:07.13 | Justin | loke___: you needed to read the previous screen |
| 02:07.19 | debian | JoshTriplett: I think the standard one. May be that's the difference |
| 02:07.20 | be80be | it not blank |
| 02:07.24 | loke___ | ok, ok |
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| 02:07.39 | Justin | loke___: since you didn't bother to simply do that, now you ask 20 questions about what the previous screen that you didn't read said |
| 02:07.40 | directhex | urgh. meant m11 again. m10 is supported |
| 02:07.49 | be80be | it should of put it in for you |
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| 02:08.06 | loke___ | 128mb in kbs = 128000? |
| 02:08.09 | JoshTriplett | debian: I think so. I don't remember the details, but the CompleteCare warranty covers things like "I accidentally spilled something on my keyboard." |
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| 02:08.15 | be80be | you just click ok |
| 02:08.34 | Justin | loke___: do you have something against reading what it tells you? |
| 02:08.36 | JoshTriplett | debian: (Not speaking from experience; I'm paranoid about food near computers.) |
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| 02:08.45 | debian | JoshTriplett: oh really, then this warrenty is definitely designed for people like her. :) |
| 02:08.52 | directhex | loke___, found it. xfree 4.3 does NOT support the card. 4.4 does support it though |
| 02:08.53 | loke___ | Justin hahah no |
| 02:08.57 | Justin | loke___: are you just going to ignore what ever screen says, and then ask someone to tell you what you ignored? |
| 02:09.08 | loke___ | Justin chill man |
| 02:09.10 | Justin | loke___: why don't you start over, and pay attention this time? |
| 02:09.20 | debian | JoshTriplett: she's major it dissembling computer equipment without a screwdriver. :) |
| 02:09.26 | debian | s/it/in |
| 02:09.33 | JoshTriplett | debian: :) |
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| 02:09.39 | loke___ | Justin how do i close the terminal? |
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| 02:09.54 | jaxxan | exit ? |
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| 02:09.58 | FallingCow | Caesar, JoshTriplett: I think I may have found it, debsig-verify |
| 02:10.12 | loke___ | jaxxan its in Debian Configuration |
| 02:10.30 | loke___ | Justin how do i exit that term, its in Debian Config??? |
| 02:10.31 | Justin | loke___: just hit enter until it goes away, then start it again |
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| 02:10.42 | JoshTriplett | herbi: Well, what are you looking to spend? Do you want a desktop-replacement system, or a "while I'm away from the powerful box at home" system? |
| 02:10.49 | fackamato | Hi all : |
| 02:10.59 | loke___ | Justin k |
| 02:11.20 | Guerin | !k |
| 02:11.20 | dpkg | FFS, how hard is it to type the o as well? See also <sms-over-irc>, <2>, <lol>, <ne1> K stands for KILL, which is what we'll do if you don't stop being a l4m3r... |
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| 02:11.58 | directhex | loke___, which driver are you trying to use with the card? |
| 02:12.05 | fackamato | did an install of debian sarge (netinstall), and i'm now apt-getting xserver-xfree86, it downloads, begins with "Preconfiguring packages...", some hdd noise, and then does nothing. |
| 02:12.11 | JoshTriplett | herbi: Major suggestion - if you want 3D support, either get a Radeon 9200 or older, or the Intel integrated graphics. I would recommend the former. |
| 02:12.19 | Guerin | fackamato: HDD nois = badness |
| 02:12.20 | fackamato | i've tried with different sources (removing the cached file first) |
| 02:12.26 | fackamato | Guerin: i mean hdd activity :) |
| 02:12.37 | Guerin | fackamato: ah, right |
| 02:12.57 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Having experienced the bad kind, I know what you mean. |
| 02:12.59 | fackamato | i've also got the latest version of apt, dpkg and debconf |
| 02:13.00 | loke___ | directhex the xfree dirver |
| 02:13.04 | Guerin | fackamato: so it just hangs at preconfiguring packages? |
| 02:13.06 | fackamato | i have no idea on what to do, i'm stuck |
| 02:13.08 | fackamato | yes |
| 02:13.13 | fackamato | i can control-c out of it tho |
| 02:13.20 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: I'm just having bad memories... |
| 02:13.25 | FallingCow | Caesar, JoshTriplett: thanks for the help |
| 02:13.27 | wm | anyone successfully revived a dead hd? i'm thinking of making a glovebox... |
| 02:13.30 | Guerin | fackamato: how long did you wait? |
| 02:13.34 | directhex | loke___, xfree86 4.3 (as included in all three flavours of debian) "ati" or "radeon" drivers do NOT support your chip. |
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| 02:13.42 | fackamato | Guerin: first time 20 minutes, the other ones not as long :) |
| 02:13.48 | loke___ | directhex no? |
| 02:13.53 | Guerin | fackamato: yeah, that's more than enough time |
| 02:14.03 | Guerin | fackamato: out of HDD/ram? |
| 02:14.04 | loke___ | directhex so what do i have to do? |
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| 02:14.10 | loke___ | directhex download m11? |
| 02:14.40 | fackamato | Guerin: nope |
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| 02:14.55 | fackamato | 1gb ram, much free ;), and ~9gb free on the partition |
| 02:14.57 | Guerin | fackamato: check your logs |
| 02:15.12 | directhex | loke___, M codes identify ATI's mobile chips. M11 is a slightly faster M10, both based on the RV350 chip from the Radeon 9600 series |
| 02:15.28 | Guerin | fackamato: syslog and messages might give you some indication. Otherwise you might strace the install |
| 02:15.37 | rvf | could anybody clue me in on how to use find to locate what files are linking to a particular file? |
| 02:15.39 | loke___ | directhex is m11 atis drivers? |
| 02:15.46 | JoshTriplett | directhex, loke___: There is one report on an Inspiron 9100 at linux-laptop.net, which indicates that the card works with the radeon driver. |
| 02:15.53 | be80be | ldd |
| 02:16.02 | JoshTriplett | loke___: I would give it a shot. |
| 02:16.03 | directhex | loke___, M11 is not supported in xfree 4.3 at all (except via VESA), it is not supported in the ATI properietary driver. it is only supported in xfree 4.4 |
| 02:16.11 | rvf | ah sorry, what I meant what files are symbolic links to that file |
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| 02:16.40 | loke___ | JoshTriplett i am, |
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| 02:16.48 | be80be | ldd filename |
| 02:16.51 | loke___ | directhex if this doesnt work iwill do ur way |
| 02:16.56 | directhex | JoshTriplett, note they use xorg, which is effectively xfree 4.4 |
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| 02:17.15 | j4cbo | how do i convince apt-get to install stuff from non-free? |
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| 02:17.29 | _jon_ | add non-free to your sources.list |
| 02:17.33 | Guerin | j4cbo: you don't have to convince it, you just have to tlel it where non-free is |
| 02:17.37 | rvf | be80be: symbolic links - not linked libraries |
| 02:17.39 | be80be | and it to apt list |
| 02:17.58 | loke___ | JoshTriplett what should i do on the video mode, select medium and then chose which? |
| 02:17.59 | j4cbo | what file? |
| 02:18.04 | JoshTriplett | directhex, loke___: According to Dell's Inspiron 9100 page, it uses a Radeon 9700, not an M11. |
| 02:18.07 | j4cbo | and what url? |
| 02:18.07 | Guerin | j4cbo: apt-setup |
| 02:18.11 | _jon_ | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:18.28 | Guerin | j4cbo: run apt-setup and follow the instructions |
| 02:18.41 | jjna | hippie, my window manager menues don't refresh after installing new software, I use window maker and used to have a ~/.menu/ but not anymore, any ideas? |
| 02:18.48 | j4cbo | "add another source"? |
| 02:18.49 | be80be | ld is for symbolic links |
| 02:18.52 | jjna | err, I meant hi |
| 02:19.02 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Your screen is 1920x1200, correct? Select 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, and 1600x1200. If 1920x1200 is there, select it, but I don't think it is. |
| 02:19.11 | fackamato | Guerin: okay, I got this: www.tehjunkyard.net/error.txt |
| 02:19.22 | directhex | JoshTriplett, loke___, hooray. the 9700 desktop chip was dicontinued a long time ago. the laptop "9700", identified by everything (including all windows official drivers) as an M11, is an RV350 chip, as used on the Radeon 9600. it is NOT a desktop 9700 |
| 02:19.28 | be80be | ldd tells you what is linked |
| 02:19.38 | j4cbo | Guerin: do i say "add another source"? |
| 02:19.38 | loke___ | JoshTriplett it doesnt have 1920x1200, only 1920x1440, so i select that one, |
| 02:19.39 | Guerin | j4cbo: fackamato is that teh a typo? |
| 02:19.47 | fackamato | Guerin: nope |
| 02:19.49 | JoshTriplett | loke___: No! |
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| 02:19.54 | Guerin | j4cbo: something like that. I haven't done it in yeages |
| 02:19.57 | loke___ | JoshTriplett what? |
| 02:19.59 | j4cbo | k |
| 02:20.06 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Don't select a resolution higher than your display supports! |
| 02:20.17 | rvf | er... "ldd (1) - print shared library dependencies" |
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| 02:20.28 | loke___ | JoshTriplett ok, so select the one right below? |
| 02:20.30 | directhex | http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1957 should prove educational on the topic of mobility 9700 |
| 02:20.33 | Guerin | fackamato: strange, it failed the first time |
| 02:20.35 | rvf | I'm trying to find symbolic links (ln -s) that point to a particular image |
| 02:20.39 | fackamato | Guerin: indeed :/ |
| 02:20.45 | fackamato | slow server tho |
| 02:20.50 | fackamato | and my internet conneciton is the weirdest |
| 02:20.56 | j4cbo | so what url do i add to sources.list? |
| 02:21.17 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Try just 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, and 1600x1200. You will need to manually add the line for 1920x1200 later. |
| 02:21.19 | loke___ | JoshTriplett the next size down is 1856x1392 |
| 02:21.21 | _jon_ | just add non-free to the end of your current sources |
| 02:21.34 | JoshTriplett | loke___: No, still larger than your monitor. |
| 02:21.41 | JoshTriplett | loke___: hang on. |
| 02:21.48 | loke___ | JoshTriplett ok |
| 02:21.55 | pir4 | can plz someone help me with lirc ? |
| 02:22.04 | JoshTriplett | loke___: are you at the screen where you select one resolution, or multiple resolutions? |
| 02:22.19 | j4cbo | like, it says "http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ unstable main"; copy that and change main to non-free? |
| 02:22.37 | directhex | JoshTriplett, loke___, also compare the supported chips listed by http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/Linux_390.html ; http://www.xfree86.org/4.3.0/radeon.4.html and http://www.xfree86.org/4.4.0/radeon.4.html - only xfree 4.4 has M11 support. |
| 02:22.47 | loke___ | JoshTriplett im at the screen that says Please select your monitors best video mode |
| 02:23.10 | loke___ | directhex in a minute |
| 02:23.26 | _jon_ | j4cbo: just add non-free after main |
| 02:23.44 | _jon_ | so it says "http://debian.lcs.mit.edu/debian/ unstable main non-free" |
| 02:24.02 | _jon_ | and don't forget the deb-src line has to be changed also |
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| 02:24.05 | be80be | why would you want 1920x1200 on a 15 in. monitor it would be hard to read |
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| 02:24.10 | JoshTriplett | loke___: OK, at that screen, pick "1600x1200". |
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| 02:24.37 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Later, it will ask you to "select the video modes you would like the X server to use". |
| 02:24.38 | fackamato | 15 inch monitor? |
| 02:24.41 | Guerin | fackamato: I don't know what I'm looking for, really |
| 02:24.42 | fackamato | I'd go for 1024x768 |
| 02:24.44 | fackamato | no more :) |
| 02:24.48 | fackamato | Guerin: np :) |
| 02:24.50 | fackamato | thanks for the help |
| 02:24.54 | directhex | it's a 1920x1200 widescreen tft |
| 02:24.55 | JoshTriplett | fackamato: LCD. |
| 02:24.56 | directhex | a hosuemate has one |
| 02:24.56 | fackamato | seems I'm allergic to debian :/ |
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| 02:24.59 | fackamato | JoshTriplett: aha, sorry. |
| 02:25.11 | fackamato | or rather debian's allergic to me |
| 02:25.12 | fackamato | :< |
| 02:25.17 | JoshTriplett | fackamato: I use 1600x1200 on a 15 inch LCD, and it is wonderful. |
| 02:25.40 | Guerin | fackamato: maybe cut a few relevant sections out of it and ask on one of the mailing lists |
| 02:25.57 | fackamato | JoshTriplett: ok |
| 02:26.04 | fackamato | Guerin: thanks |
| 02:26.06 | fackamato | thanks all :) |
| 02:26.08 | fackamato | nice ppl in here |
| 02:26.08 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: damn, that's some fine resolution |
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| 02:26.13 | Guerin | !ppl |
| 02:26.13 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.] |
| 02:26.14 | loke___ | JoshTriplett with which refresh rate, the highest? 85hz? |
| 02:26.17 | fackamato | gtg, cya next time :) |
| 02:26.19 | JoshTriplett | fackamato: It is about 135 DPI, and it figured that out automatically, and made all the fonts larger accordingly. |
| 02:26.20 | loke___ | JoshTriplett there is 1600x1200 @ 85hz, @ 75 hz, 60hz? |
| 02:26.25 | loke___ | JoshTriplett im thinking the 85hz, cause it is 128b ati? |
| 02:26.34 | JoshTriplett | loke___: 60hz |
| 02:26.45 | loke___ | JoshTriplett y not 85hz? |
| 02:26.50 | JoshTriplett | loke___: AFAIK, you should always choose 60Hz for LCD screens. |
| 02:26.53 | directhex | because it's not 85hz :/ |
| 02:26.56 | loke___ | ok |
| 02:26.57 | kevin_ | hey all, i just recompiled my kernel and rebooted, everything works ok except Ive forgotten bloody NTFS support so I cant mount my mp3 drive, can I just compile the NTFS module and insert it or do I have to recompile the whole thing again? |
| 02:26.57 | phug | I'm having trouble setting up Apache with multiple name-based virtual domains while having vhost_alias'ing on atleast one of them ... anybody have advice or a link? |
| 02:26.59 | JoshTriplett | loke___: I may be wrong. |
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| 02:27.29 | loke___ | JoshTriplett all i know is that you can fsckup ur monitor if you go to high of a refresh rate |
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| 02:28.06 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Yes, that's true. Although nowadays, monitors will just refuse to run, rather than combusting. |
| 02:28.10 | be80be | i have a LCD and about burn the thing up at 85hz |
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| 02:28.21 | loke___ | JoshTriplett im gonna try it |
| 02:28.29 | directhex | JoshTriplett, loke___, not completely right, not all that wrong either. refresh rates mean sod all on a tft, so there's no point in a high one - most tfts won't actually allow them over 75hz. but refresh rates do not matter in the slightest on a tft |
| 02:28.42 | Chewie[] | hey, is there a way to reset the dimensions of the virtual terminals? the ones that are active when you use one of the CTRL+ALT+F# keys? |
| 02:28.51 | loke___ | directhex ok |
| 02:28.57 | loke___ | brb |
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| 02:29.23 | JoshTriplett | Chewie[]: Yes. If you use a text console, use "linux vga=ask" at the boot prompt. If you use a framebuffer, man fbset. |
| 02:29.38 | Caelum | what do people use in debian to manage wireless configs? |
| 02:29.54 | pir4 | can plz someone help me with lirc ? |
| 02:30.07 | PrideF | Caelum, /etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts :) |
| 02:30.13 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: multiple configurations, or just one? |
| 02:30.15 | zateam | sigh |
| 02:30.28 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: You can set all the parameters directly in /etc/network/interfaces . |
| 02:30.41 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: multiple |
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| 02:30.55 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Try "waproamd". |
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| 02:31.02 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: to have something like the windows utils have |
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| 02:31.07 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: ahh, thank you :) |
| 02:31.24 | Chewie[] | JoshTriplett: hmm. how would i edit the boot prompt? i know i can do it right after i boot, but that's not saved is it? |
| 02:31.40 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Well, it's not graphical, but unless you have WEP keys, it doesn't require any configuration. |
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| 02:31.45 | Chewie[] | JoshTriplett: the temporary edit at least |
| 02:31.54 | JoshTriplett | Chewie[]: Grub or LILO? |
| 02:32.04 | lazarus | what does "graphical" have to do with configuration? |
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| 02:32.12 | Chewie[] | JoshTriplett: grub |
| 02:32.24 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: Well, he said "like the windows utils". |
| 02:32.43 | lazarus | in #debian, harumph |
| 02:32.43 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: From what I remember, they give you a menu of available wireless networks. |
| 02:32.58 | loke___ | JoshTriplett once im done with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 how do i save |
| 02:33.16 | lazarus | loke___: you don't "save" in dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:33.17 | directhex | it will save automatically unless you've edited the file by hand at any point |
| 02:33.18 | loke___ | cause i restarted x and XF86Config-4 is still the old one |
| 02:33.26 | loke___ | lazarus where do i save? |
| 02:33.30 | lazarus | loke___: you don't "save" |
| 02:33.31 | JoshTriplett | Chewie[]: Try the temporary edit first. If that works, edit /boot/grub/menu.list . |
| 02:33.46 | be80be | it's in root |
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| 02:34.10 | lazarus | loke___: date;ls -l /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 02:34.10 | directhex | if you've edited by hand, then you have to do "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" before running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for it to save on top of the old one |
| 02:34.11 | dip | what is the format for to "set" a value? |
| 02:34.13 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Uh oh. The latest xserver-xfree86 doesn't update the configuration by default. |
| 02:34.19 | dip | something with "set PATH usr/games/bin" |
| 02:34.20 | JoshTriplett | loke___: What directhex said. |
| 02:34.21 | lazarus | dip: help set |
| 02:34.30 | loke___ | JoshTriplett what? |
| 02:34.34 | lazarus | dip: help set <-- bash command |
| 02:35.02 | be80be | when i redid may xfreeconfig it put it in root |
| 02:35.09 | be80be | my |
| 02:35.10 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Do what directhex said. By default, if you have edited XF86Config-4 at all, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 avoids overwriting it. |
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| 02:35.16 | Chewie[] | JoshTriplett: ahh. ok. thanks |
| 02:35.18 | loke___ | ok |
| 02:35.23 | PrideF | haha, a laptop with 1920x1200 resolution? haha, get out my magnifying glass |
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| 02:35.36 | Chewie[] | JoshTriplett: but what would it do? prompt me for a height/width? |
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| 02:35.41 | JoshTriplett | PrideF: You would be suprised. |
| 02:35.44 | lazarus | be80be: "it" put it in root? |
| 02:35.45 | JoshTriplett | Chewie[]: Yes. |
| 02:36.01 | Chewie[] | JoshTriplett: hmm. any way to set that perminently? |
| 02:36.01 | PrideF | hehe, I know. I'll run it like that, too....just cause I can, JoshTriplett |
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| 02:36.15 | Chewie[] | PrideF: haha |
| 02:36.23 | davka_ | When I run df, I get: df: `/var/lib/noflushd/devfs': Permission denied |
| 02:36.32 | be80be | the new xfreeconfig |
| 02:36.34 | davka_ | It only happens when I'm not super user |
| 02:36.37 | JoshTriplett | PrideF: On an LCD, with sub-pixel anti-aliasing and an appropriate DPI setting, it looks wonderful. |
| 02:36.38 | loke___ | directhex so i have to md5sum it? |
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| 02:36.56 | PrideF | JoshTriplett, I know, I just remember my first laptop...top of the line...800x600 |
| 02:36.58 | lazarus | be80be: *what* put it in root? |
| 02:37.16 | be80be | XF86Config-4 |
| 02:37.26 | lazarus | PrideF: i still don't have a "first laptop" :( |
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| 02:37.30 | lazarus | be80be: *what* put it in root? |
| 02:37.38 | directhex | loke___, what was complex about my statement? i gave a clear instruction to use in order to correct the behaviour, as well as an explanation as to why |
| 02:37.46 | Guerin | Chewie[]: you can set vga=xxx, where xxx=a 3-digit code |
| 02:37.46 | be80be | when i did a dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:37.47 | lazarus | be80be: *what* did YOU do that "put it in root"? |
| 02:37.57 | PrideF | lazarus, heh, my company is buying me two maxed out dell m60 (I know, dell...but hey, better than never having one, eh?) |
| 02:38.01 | loke___ | directhex ok |
| 02:38.05 | lazarus | be80be: dpkg-reconfigure will NOT move a conffile to a randome directory |
| 02:38.08 | Guerin | Chewie[]: I can't remember most of them, but 789 is 800x600x16, 791 is 1024x768x16 |
| 02:38.16 | Guerin | Chewie[]: etc... |
| 02:38.26 | lazarus | PrideF: /msg okay? |
| 02:38.28 | JoshTriplett | Chewie[]: To set it permanently, you need to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst . |
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| 02:38.36 | Chromakode | i always wonder why people seem to leave in groups |
| 02:38.51 | lazarus | Chromakode: women? restroom? |
| 02:38.58 | _jon_ | lazarus: beat me to it |
| 02:39.01 | Chromakode | lol, no, irc people |
| 02:39.02 | loke___ | directhex so what did that do? md5su and piped it to /var/lib/xfree86? |
| 02:39.02 | lazarus | Chromakode: childhood training i think |
| 02:39.10 | be80be | xserver-xfree it put the new XF86Config-4 in roots files |
| 02:39.20 | Guerin | be80be: bullshit |
| 02:39.34 | loke___ | directhex but now it will save my dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 02:39.41 | be80be | it didnt over rite the old 1 |
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| 02:40.20 | directhex | loke___, it replaced the md5sum that was caced, so as far as dpkg-reconfigure is concerned, that file was made by it, and hasn't been edited. it will now happily overwrite the file, since it knows it's fine to do so |
| 02:40.24 | directhex | *cached |
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| 02:40.31 | fackamato | ah |
| 02:40.34 | fackamato | hi all |
| 02:40.38 | fackamato | got a little problem here: |
| 02:40.41 | Guerin | fackamato: wat was up? |
| 02:40.46 | fackamato | hehe |
| 02:40.52 | loke___ | directhex ok, ill dpkg-configure again then, thanx |
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| 02:40.55 | fackamato | i accidently irced as root |
| 02:40.56 | fackamato | :P |
| 02:41.00 | fackamato | well, anyway: |
| 02:41.11 | directhex | loke___, just remember that you can not use the ati driver. |
| 02:41.30 | loke___ | the ati driver? |
| 02:41.36 | fackamato | www.tehjunkyard.net/file.txt that's strace from dpkg -i xserver-xfree86blabla.deb , when i do that it just sits there, does nothing, very weird ;o |
| 02:42.01 | Guerin | fackamato: doesn't even preconfigure? |
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| 02:42.09 | directhex | loke___, when you are asked which graphics driver to use. the onl driver which will run your chip, on a debian xfree86, is vesa. |
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| 02:42.28 | fackamato | Guerin: it's at preconfigure it sits |
| 02:42.35 | Guerin | fackamato: right. |
| 02:42.36 | loke___ | directhex, so what do i have to do? |
| 02:42.40 | fackamato | if i apt-get install the package it says preconfigure.... and sits |
| 02:42.41 | fackamato | :> |
| 02:42.51 | loke___ | directhex, i have to get xfree86 4.4? |
| 02:42.53 | Guerin | fackamato: checked the BTS? |
| 02:43.03 | fackamato | Guerin: what's BTS? |
| 02:43.07 | Guerin | loke___: you can't, not in debian anyway |
| 02:43.11 | Guerin | !bts |
| 02:43.11 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 02:43.14 | JoshTriplett | loke___, directhex: According to my /var/log/XFree86.0.log , the M10 and M11 are supported. |
| 02:43.18 | foxbat | I just upgraded to a 2.6.6 kernel, compiling it myself from sources from kernel.org. I'm now trying to build a module which is looking for /usr/src/linux-2.6.6/include/linux/version.h -- except that it doesn't exist (the directory does, but the file version.h is not in it). I did a find |grep looking for version, and didn't find one anywhere in the kernel source tree - any suggestions? |
| 02:43.42 | fackamato | argh |
| 02:43.45 | fackamato | links.. :P |
| 02:43.52 | alindeman_ | list |
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| 02:43.57 | directhex | JoshTriplett, sid? |
| 02:43.58 | Guerin | foxbat: my suggestion is to compile from a debian source using kpkg |
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| 02:44.06 | JoshTriplett | directhex: yes. |
| 02:44.07 | foxbat | I did |
| 02:44.21 | JoshTriplett | directhex: When the driver is loaded, it lists every card it supports. |
| 02:44.22 | foxbat | Guerin: I compiled it using make-kpkg and installed it with dpkg -i |
| 02:44.24 | Guerin | foxbat: you said you compiled from a kernel.org source. These are not the same. |
| 02:44.52 | Q3Man | ok.. how the heck to I turn off the predictive text in openoffice? I think its going to give me a seizurer soon... |
| 02:44.55 | mwilson | foxbat: It is, indeed, in the source tree exactly where it's supposed to be. |
| 02:44.57 | foxbat | Guerin: But shouldn't a kernel from kernel.org have the headers? |
| 02:45.09 | directhex | JoshTriplett, 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 (sid) appears to have some backported drivers. 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 (sarge) does not |
| 02:45.09 | mwilson | foxbat: It does. |
| 02:45.18 | JoshTriplett | directhex: It lists several variants of "ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M10)". |
| 02:45.23 | Guerin | Q3Man: it's easily found in the menus. Otherwise ask in #openoffice.org |
| 02:45.29 | foxbat | mwilson: has it been renamed? I have a file called vermagic |
| 02:45.32 | Guerin | foxbat: yeah |
| 02:45.41 | JoshTriplett | directhex: As well as "ATI Radeon Mobility 9600 (M11)". |
| 02:45.43 | foxbat | Guerin: it's been renamed? |
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| 02:45.54 | Guerin | foxbat: no, sorry, it does have headers |
| 02:45.57 | mwilson | foxbat: No, it's not been renamed. |
| 02:46.00 | foxbat | Guerin: oh |
| 02:46.08 | loke___ | JoshTriplett didnt work,haha, im in init 2 |
| 02:46.11 | JoshTriplett | directhex: Yes, due to the decision not to use XFree86 4.4, the Debian X Strike Force is busily backporting drivers. |
| 02:46.13 | mwilson | foxbat: A configured source tree does indeed have that file. |
| 02:46.28 | foxbat | mwilson: I wonder if make-kpkg clean removes it? |
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| 02:46.36 | droopy | OK I want ati.2 to work..got the source unpacked to find /X11/lib/modules/ no build script..so I copied to /usr/X11/lib/modules/ can I use them now in /etc/X11/XF86.Config-4??? |
| 02:46.38 | JoshTriplett | loke___: One other question - when it asked about using the kernel framebuffer, did you say "no"? |
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| 02:46.48 | loke___ | kernel framebuffer? |
| 02:46.49 | directhex | JoshTriplett, if you want to get this guy onto sid, be my guest. |
| 02:46.57 | loke___ | JoshTriplett i dont remember |
| 02:47.04 | loke___ | JoshTriplett i answerd the default |
| 02:47.18 | mwilson | foxbat: <shrug> I couldn't tell you what kernel-package does and doesn't do... I never use it. |
| 02:47.28 | foxbat | mwilson: thanks |
| 02:47.32 | foxbat | Guerin: thanks for your help |
| 02:47.41 | JoshTriplett | loke___: I think one of the first questions asks you about using the kernel framebuffer. If you say "yes" and don't have it, it won't work. Say "no". |
| 02:47.42 | foxbat | I'll try recompiling, and seeign what shakes loose |
| 02:47.46 | fackamato | argh, nothing in the BTS |
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| 02:48.16 | loke___ | JoshTriplett ok |
| 02:49.08 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Look at /var/log/XFree86.0.log , and find where the Radeon driver is loaded. It should say something like "Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets:" followed by a long list of video cards. |
| 02:49.08 | loke___ | JoshTriplett i dont see any questions about frame buffer |
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| 02:49.26 | Chromakode | netsplit! |
| 02:49.56 | dlin | ? |
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| 02:50.22 | Chromakode | see, I told you, they leave in groups |
| 02:50.26 | JoshTriplett | loke___: It may have been fixed to autodetect about the framebuffer. |
| 02:50.27 | Chromakode | it's uncanny |
| 02:50.51 | loke___ | JoshTriplett i dont see it? |
| 02:50.51 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Anyway, check the log and look for that point where the driver lists the cards it supports. |
| 02:51.05 | loke___ | JoshTriplett what am i looking for? |
| 02:51.09 | JoshTriplett | loke___: You don't see the section in the log? |
| 02:51.44 | loke___ | JoshTriplett i do |
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| 02:53.04 | JoshTriplett | loke___: OK, now go up a bit and look for 'LoadModule: "ati"'. |
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| 02:53.10 | loke___ | JoshTriplett it says ATI: PCI/AGP Mach64 in slot 1:0:0 could not be detected |
| 02:54.15 | loke___ | JoshTriplett what do u think |
| 02:54.17 | bipolar | Anyone have any recomendations on a cross platform (at least linux<>windows) file encryption system with a GUI? Something that uses gnupg would be fine, but I need to find a gui for windows to use that. |
| 02:54.39 | mwilson | Why does it have to have a GUI? |
| 02:54.46 | simonrvn | what? |
| 02:54.57 | _jon_ | because nobody who uses windows uses a cli |
| 02:55.01 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Further above that, there should be a line 'LoadModule: "ati"'. Do you see that line? |
| 02:55.12 | loke___ | JoshTriplett yes |
| 02:55.18 | sgeigerbot | bipolar: gpg+gpa or gpgp or kgpg ...on Linux and winpt on windows |
| 02:55.18 | simonrvn | i don't use windoze |
| 02:55.25 | loke___ | JoshTriplett what about it? |
| 02:55.50 | JoshTriplett | loke___: A few lines later, you should see "compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 6.5.5". |
| 02:55.52 | mwilson | Ok, I need to put Office 2004 on my iBook as well |
| 02:55.52 | simonrvn | even seeing it on another box makes me nauseous |
| 02:56.04 | bipolar | sgeigerbot: winpt? cool. thanks! :) |
| 02:56.05 | simonrvn | mwilson: ! |
| 02:56.07 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: I don't either...just for the record. :-) |
| 02:56.12 | mwilson | simonrvn: Yes? |
| 02:56.16 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: yay |
| 02:56.22 | loke___ | JoshTriplett well it says version 6.4.18 |
| 02:56.28 | sgeigerbot | bipolar: http://www.gnupp.com/komponenten.html |
| 02:56.29 | simonrvn | mwilson: orifice? you poor man |
| 02:56.47 | mwilson | simonrvn: <shrug> Does the job, which is all I ask of any piece of software. |
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| 02:57.03 | simonrvn | mwilson: your box :) |
| 02:57.08 | loke___ | hah im in init 2 |
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| 02:57.15 | mwilson | simonrvn: Yes, it certainly is. |
| 02:57.19 | simonrvn | loke___: yeh, so are most of us.. |
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| 02:57.28 | loke___ | simonrvn really |
| 02:57.34 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Ok, the version you have is probably too old to have support for your card. You need to upgrade to the version in sid, or if you want to stick with testing, wait for xserver-xfree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 to be in testing. |
| 02:57.47 | JoshTriplett | loke___: s/version/version of XFree86/ |
| 02:57.56 | croddy | line-drawing characters display incorrectly on my VT's -- with or without the framebuffer. any ideas? |
| 02:58.07 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Yes, the default run level in Debian is 2. |
| 02:58.25 | simonrvn | croddy: the font you're using, or the term settings? *shrug* |
| 02:58.29 | loke___ | JoshTriplett how do i upgrade version in sid? |
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| 02:58.48 | lazarus | croddy: dpkg-reconfigure console- um -data? -common? one of the console- pacakges |
| 02:58.48 | loke___ | i keep tryin to use the mouse, forgetting im in init2, haha |
| 02:59.06 | lazarus | loke___: apt-get install gpm |
| 02:59.19 | loke___ | lazarus what is gpm? |
| 02:59.25 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Are you used to runlevel 2 being console only, and something else being graphical mode? |
| 02:59.31 | lazarus | loke___: "init 2" (which i presume to mean runlevel) is completely irrelevant in debian |
| 02:59.33 | simonrvn | loke___: init 2 is used whether or not you're in x... |
| 02:59.36 | lazarus | /bin/sh: line 1: gpm: command not found |
| 02:59.36 | mwilson | loke___: So? Debian runs everything in runlevel 2. Why wouldn't you be able to use the mouse? |
| 02:59.37 | JoshTriplett | loke___: a program to use the mouse in the console |
| 02:59.39 | lazarus | gpm (8) - a cut and paste utility and mouse server for virtual consoles |
| 02:59.59 | lazarus | loke___: apt-cache show gpm |
| 03:00.12 | mwilson | No, for a DeadRat user, non-X is runlevel 3. |
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| 03:00.17 | Flimzy | For the first time, I am facing frustrations with woody for being so old... frustrations I hven't felt since the days of potato |
| 03:00.19 | Flimzy | *sigh* |
| 03:00.24 | loke___ | simonrvn sorry, still learnin |
| 03:00.32 | lazarus | Flimzy: i just ate a baked potato |
| 03:00.35 | loke___ | lazarus i apted gpm |
| 03:00.54 | JoshTriplett | loke___: unless you need the mouse in the console (when you aren't in X), you don't need to worry with gpm. |
| 03:01.07 | loke___ | oh shit, so i can use the mouse in runlevel 2 |
| 03:01.07 | lazarus | Flimzy: if it was old, it should tell me soon, and yes, be frustrating |
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| 03:01.24 | Flimzy | The woody version of php4 has apparant stupid bugs. And the unofficial woody version I found of php4.3 had even more serious bugs |
| 03:01.25 | lazarus | loke___: "2" is *totally* irrelevant |
| 03:01.26 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Plus, if you are using gpm, you need to configure xfree86 to talk to gpm instead of the mouse directly. |
| 03:01.38 | dlin | any install gurus here tonight? I'm encountering the dreaded "crc error" followed by " -- System halted" when trying install woody on a machine I've inherited |
| 03:01.41 | lazarus | loke___: /msg dpkg gpm (this will get youor x to behave with it) |
| 03:01.45 | loke___ | JoshTriplett the mouse is workin |
| 03:01.48 | directhex | JoshTriplett, nah, works finr for me |
| 03:01.52 | Flimzy | I will now begin the process of attempting to compile PHP 4.3 for myself |
| 03:01.52 | JoshTriplett | loke___: By default, run levels 2-5 are completely equivalent. |
| 03:01.54 | simonrvn | dlin: try #debian-boot |
| 03:02.17 | loke___ | lazarus i didnt get any /msg? |
| 03:02.23 | stonecolddsl | Hey I need help badly I got sarge installed but screwed up on X configuration program how do I get back to the debian setup program to fix it as trying to use xf86config does not seem to work right on debian like it does on slack |
| 03:02.30 | loke___ | JoshTriplett how do i upgrade version in sid? |
| 03:02.37 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: /msg dpkg gpm, advice for you to tell those in that situation next time :) |
| 03:02.46 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Hang on just a moment. |
| 03:02.50 | loke___ | ok |
| 03:02.51 | greg_work | stonecolddsl: dpkg-reconfigure xsystem-xfree86 |
| 03:02.52 | somiaj | stonecolddsl: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:02.53 | directhex | stonecolddsl, have you edited your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file by hand? |
| 03:02.54 | simonrvn | stonecolddsl: a) you don't use xf86config. b) use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:02.54 | lazarus | loke___: YOU type "/msg dpkg gpm" |
| 03:02.57 | greg_work | er, xserver |
| 03:02.58 | loke___ | ok |
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| 03:03.05 | lazarus | loke___: (in irc cclient) |
| 03:03.13 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: Good to know, but mouse support in the console is not a high priority at the moment, since X isn't working. |
| 03:03.21 | loke___ | gotcha lazarus |
| 03:03.26 | dip | debian hasnt switched to x11-org ? |
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| 03:03.41 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: you *start* with getting console behaving *then* move on to x if you feel the need :) |
| 03:03.49 | prologic_ | How do you add a machine account on a system (for samba) ? |
| 03:03.55 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: jftr, I've been totally crap free for over a year... (It was Firefox--then Firebird--that helped me to finally make the change. I couldn't stand the speed of Mozilla.) |
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| 03:04.08 | dip | prologic_: smbpasswd -a user |
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| 03:04.35 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: mozilla is too slow. though firefox has been very slow for me lately. need to track that down |
| 03:04.35 | prologic_ | dip: no for the machine, I'm having problems with the machine logging on... I can login locally on the samba server itself ok... |
| 03:04.40 | loke___ | JoshTriplett how do i upgrade the ati module version? |
| 03:04.42 | lazarus | is hexix an impostor? |
| 03:04.52 | hexix | huh? |
| 03:04.58 | dip | prologic_: useradd |
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| 03:05.03 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: but i've been using galeon lately, despite its lack of configurability |
| 03:05.04 | hexix | for who? |
| 03:05.07 | lazarus | hexix: you're one character off from the nick of a #debian op |
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| 03:05.20 | fackamato | ! |
| 03:05.21 | fackamato | it works |
| 03:05.22 | prologic_ | dip: what are the correct options, I keep getting an error when I do it (which I ccopied straight out of man smb.conf) |
| 03:05.24 | JoshTriplett | loke___: You have several options. Either wait for xserver-xfree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 to migrate to testing, upgrade your system to sid, or attempt to just upgrade the X packages to sid. |
| 03:05.32 | hexix | oh, just coincidence, I've had this nickname for about 8 years |
| 03:05.34 | JoshTriplett | loke___: I really can't help much with the last option. |
| 03:05.35 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: you aren't the first person who has said that to me (or maybe you're the same person...but you said that to me a long time ago). I just don't understand why it would be slow. You *are* installing from a Knoppix CD, aren't you? ;-) |
| 03:05.47 | lazarus | hexix: np, just expect a bit of confusion in here a times :) |
| 03:05.48 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: bah ;P |
| 03:05.51 | lazarus | hexix: at times |
| 03:05.52 | loke___ | JoshTriplett so i have to wait? |
| 03:06.02 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: just for the record, it's not on Knoppix. (I don't know what crack those guys are smoking. I remastered one so I could have it.) |
| 03:06.08 | dip | prologic_: correct options of what? smbpasswd or useradd? |
| 03:06.14 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: *nods* |
| 03:06.14 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Or upgrade to sid, or ask someone about trying to just upgrade the X packages. |
| 03:06.18 | prologic_ | dip: useradd |
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| 03:06.26 | simonrvn | dip: adduser |
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| 03:06.42 | loke___ | JoshTriplett how do i upgrade to sid? |
| 03:06.43 | lazarus | dip: "adduser" is more standard on deebian, even though "useradd" also exists |
| 03:06.43 | dip | yea thats what i meant |
| 03:06.43 | simonrvn | much better than useradd |
| 03:06.56 | loke___ | JoshTriplett what is sid? |
| 03:07.02 | simonrvn | adduser uses useradd and such as backends |
| 03:07.09 | lazarus | loke___: sid == unstable |
| 03:07.19 | simonrvn | woody == stable, sarge == testing, sid == unstable. sid will always be unstable. |
| 03:07.19 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: is there a dpkg explanation of stable, testing, and unstable? |
| 03:07.32 | dip | prologic_: user adduser, its interactive |
| 03:07.38 | directhex | loke___, sid is the bleeding edge version of debian, where new things appear and things break messily |
| 03:07.39 | loke___ | is sid bad? |
| 03:07.43 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: sure, /msg apt foo, where foo is each factoid-name |
| 03:07.49 | prologic_ | could someone please tell me what the correct options for adduser or useradd are to add a machine account on a samba server ? (I get an error with the example in the man page!) |
| 03:07.58 | lazarus | loke___: it's very much *not* for the non-debian-fluent |
| 03:08.02 | loke___ | directhex what should i do man |
| 03:08.14 | dip | *use adduser |
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| 03:08.15 | simonrvn | prologic_: AFAIk, the account has to exist both on the unix and winbloze sides |
| 03:08.16 | JoshTriplett | loke___: You need to know how to fix things when they break. |
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| 03:08.22 | loke___ | lazarus im not ready for it yet, maybe in a little bit |
| 03:08.32 | kevin_ | hey folks, can anyone recommend a good DVD application for linux? |
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| 03:08.35 | lazarus | loke___: it *sometimes* can break your whole system terribly, every few months of years you'll see this channel get very busy with severe breakages in unstable |
| 03:08.35 | kevin_ | to watch dvd |
| 03:08.49 | directhex | kevin_, much as i usually hate xine, it works well for dvd |
| 03:08.50 | lazarus | moths OR years |
| 03:08.50 | loke___ | directhex how can i get 1600x1200 or 1920x1200 for my res? |
| 03:08.51 | prologic_ | simonrvn : this is a windoze 98 machine we're talking about here... afaik, there needs to be both user and machine accounts on the system in order for it to work... |
| 03:08.51 | JoshTriplett | kevin_: VideoLAN, Ogle, Mplayer |
| 03:08.55 | greg_work | my system is taking a REALLY long time to boot.. it does some usb stuff (i believe by detect), and then it sits there for a few minutes before going on to the next thing |
| 03:09.07 | loke___ | lazarus doesnt sound like much fun |
| 03:09.09 | JoshTriplett | kevin_: I use VideoLAN when I want menus, and MPlayer otherwise. |
| 03:09.16 | somiaj | kevin_: I prefer mplayer myself (though it doesn't have DVD menu support) |
| 03:09.20 | lazarus | greg_work: next time, see what things it did *before* the pause, then after it |
| 03:09.27 | sgeigerbot | JoshTriplett: is videolan better than xine? |
| 03:09.39 | greg_work | i've previously had a similar issue where it takes a long time to do things when the lo interface is not configured .. i use nss_switch and ldap backend for most users |
| 03:09.40 | lazarus | greg_work: then you'll know what stage it's in when it's misbehaviong, and can debug that stage |
| 03:10.00 | greg_work | well, i'm waiting for it now, been reconfiguring drives |
| 03:10.01 | JoshTriplett | sgeigerbot: From personal experience, VideoLAN is more stable. |
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| 03:10.12 | JoshTriplett | sgeigerbot: Plus, I hate "skinned" interfaces. |
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| 03:10.15 | lazarus | greg_work: *sometimes* the pause is in the thing that's printed already, but *sometimes* it's in the thing that has not yet gotten to printing |
| 03:10.21 | simonrvn | prologic_: what is said is about the extent of what i've picked up from others.. |
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| 03:10.45 | lazarus | greg_work: expecct it to either be a hardware timeout, or (often) a failure for dns to resolve something |
| 03:10.45 | greg_work | lazarus: right afterwards, it does portmap |
| 03:10.48 | prologic_ | simonrvn ok thanks nevermind, I'll have to figure this one out myself, dip had no idea what I was on about :) |
| 03:10.52 | greg_work | its going somewhat normal speed now |
| 03:11.03 | loke___ | directhex will you tell me what to do to get my ati working? |
| 03:11.10 | foxbat | Guerin and mwilson: just fyi, make-kpkg clean will remove all those header files |
| 03:11.16 | foxbat | thanks again for the help though |
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| 03:11.26 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Personally, I would suggest asking someone about upgrading just the X packages to unstable, without upgrading everything. |
| 03:11.41 | simonrvn | foxbat: make-kpkg clean cleans out the kernel build tree. it doesn't clear out headers |
| 03:11.41 | directhex | loke___, there's no solution without consequence. i don't feel right recommending any of them. |
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| 03:11.46 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 03:12.04 | directhex | loke___, JoshTriplett's suggestion is the best, but i wouldn't know the correct procedure for doing it |
| 03:12.17 | loke___ | JoshTriplett, directhex : so i should just stick with 1024x768 |
| 03:12.18 | sgeigerbot | JoshTriplett: so you don't use gvlc or kvlc, eh? |
| 03:12.28 | loke___ | directhex which suggestion? |
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| 03:12.35 | lazarus | loke___: do youo really really need something other than 1024x768? |
| 03:12.48 | JoshTriplett | loke___: I believe you need to add the unstable sources to your /etc/apt/sources.list , set APT::Default-Release to testing, and then apt-get update && apt-get -t unstable install x-window-system . |
| 03:12.49 | directhex | lazarus, ever used a txt on non-native res? |
| 03:13.03 | lazarus | loke___: (is it worth breaking your box for it, ,in other words) |
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| 03:13.10 | directhex | *tft |
| 03:13.13 | lazarus | directhex: what's that mean? |
| 03:13.21 | loke___ | lazarus breaking my box, or breaking my OS? |
| 03:13.34 | JoshTriplett | loke___: The latter. |
| 03:13.37 | zateam | eh, what is the command for decompressing .bz2 files? |
| 03:13.41 | JoshTriplett | loke___: By upgrading to unstable. |
| 03:13.42 | lazarus | loke___: not the hardware, though that IS possible with video messingaround |
| 03:13.45 | directhex | lazarus, a tft has an exact number of pixels. using a resolution which differs from that pixel count results in a horrible blurry mess |
| 03:13.48 | libv_ | zateam: bunzip2 |
| 03:13.53 | lazarus | zateam: man bzip2 |
| 03:13.55 | zateam | thanks |
| 03:14.02 | loke___ | lazarus im not worried about the software, it can be reinstalled, i just want to learn how to use it |
| 03:14.17 | JoshTriplett | loke___: let me look something up about APT::Default-Release . |
| 03:14.22 | lazarus | directhex: i thought you meant text by txt :) i don't have the money for fancy stuff like tft sorry |
| 03:14.25 | loke___ | JoshTriplett ok |
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| 03:14.59 | stonecolddsl | I need help again what is this PCI bus thing.... This is something I never had to experience with slack |
| 03:15.06 | vorpal | anyone use 802.3ad? i'm going to give it a shot tomorrow... |
| 03:15.14 | loke___ | directhex do i have tft or lcd, do u know, its the newest dell wuxsga, top of the line monitor |
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| 03:15.41 | loke___ | you sorry |
| 03:15.45 | directhex | loke___, tft is a type of lcd. the terms are interchangeable for all intents and purposes |
| 03:15.54 | loke___ | ok |
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| 03:16.19 | stonecolddsl | it said to use lspci to get the hex value of the pci bus location and then convert it to decimal and give it to the prgram so can anyone convert 0000:01:00.0 from hex to dec |
| 03:16.24 | loke___ | so most people in here use runlevel 2? |
| 03:16.35 | loke___ | or most people dont use x? |
| 03:16.44 | lazarus | loke___: that isthe default, that's what most use, why bother using something different? |
| 03:16.52 | vorpal | loke___: runlevel 2 on debian is multi-user level |
| 03:16.55 | JoshTriplett | loke___: OK. Add the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for unstable (copy the testing lines, and change testing to unstable). Edit /etc/apt/apt.conf , and add the line 'APT::Default-Release "testing";'. |
| 03:16.58 | stonecolddsl | well I would like to use x but debian being a pain about it |
| 03:16.58 | lazarus | loke___: and X has NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with what runlevel in debian |
| 03:17.01 | loke___ | cause i like pictures |
| 03:17.13 | lazarus | loke___: there's plenty of pictures in console |
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| 03:17.14 | JoshTriplett | loke___: I'm in runlevel 2. I'm running X. |
| 03:17.18 | lazarus | fbi (1) - linux framebuffer imageviewer |
| 03:17.21 | lazarus | zgv (1) - picture viewer for VGA/SVGA displays |
| 03:17.24 | loke___ | ahh |
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| 03:17.45 | stonecolddsl | Please could some one give me the dec vaule of this hex number 0000:01:00.0 |
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| 03:17.53 | none_ | how can I force the instalation of a .deb package |
| 03:17.56 | none_ | ? |
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| 03:17.59 | lazarus | loke___: you need to get that deadrat "runlevel" crap out of your head |
| 03:18.09 | xam | stonecolddsl: it's 0000:01:00.0 |
| 03:18.10 | lazarus | none_: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 03:18.12 | vorpal | stonecolddsl: sure: it is 000:01:00:0 |
| 03:18.14 | none_ | mozilla-mplayer seems to be broken |
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| 03:18.34 | none_ | lazarus: its giving up due to dependency problems |
| 03:18.39 | stonecolddsl | vorpal: thanks hopefull this will fix my video issues |
| 03:18.40 | jhobs | Question-> Can anybody give me a guess of how many megs of downloads it would take to update 3.0r2 to testing or sid? I understand it will depend on what all gets updated so balpark figure are fine. |
| 03:18.56 | vorpal | stonecolddsl: you realize its the same number |
| 03:19.07 | lazarus | jhobs: half the size of your current install |
| 03:19.30 | jhobs | lazarus, ok thanks |
| 03:19.38 | lazarus | jhobs: obviously you know if youo have 1000 packages vs 10 it will differ :) |
| 03:20.14 | cafuego | stonecolddsl: That's an AGP card, you don't ned to enter that number anyway, read what the screen says. |
| 03:20.15 | none_ | dpkg: error processing mozilla-mplayer (--install): |
| 03:20.15 | dpkg | wish i knew, none_ |
| 03:20.15 | none_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.20 | none_ | is there a way to force it? |
| 03:20.39 | lazarus | none_: yes, but it's very uunwise |
| 03:20.51 | lazarus | none_: man dpkg |
| 03:20.56 | stonecolddsl | Can anyone tell me why debian wont just probe for the pci bus location of the video card |
| 03:21.09 | stonecolddsl | bitchx is gettign on my nerves |
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| 03:21.15 | none_ | lazarus: I've read it all |
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| 03:21.27 | lazarus | none_: then you know of --froce things |
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| 03:21.33 | none_ | lazarus: not in this case, the dependency says I need mplayer, I have it installed |
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| 03:22.21 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: trty irssi, many if not most of us love it |
| 03:22.33 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: apt-get install irssi-text |
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| 03:22.55 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Ok, I did "/join #loke__", and nobody is there. |
| 03:22.55 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Just /msg me. |
| 03:23.05 | none_ | lazarus: the problem is mplayer is not found in apt archives |
| 03:23.12 | JoshTriplett | stonecolddsl: Or try mozilla-chatzilla. |
| 03:23.16 | none_ | I had to install it from source, dpkg doesnt see it |
| 03:23.21 | lazarus | none_: it's vile non-free crap and therefore not in debian |
| 03:23.28 | stonecolddsl | I am going to go nuts how the heck am supposed to configure x |
| 03:23.33 | loke___ | JoshTriplett i added the lines to source.list |
| 03:23.37 | stonecolddsl | I have never needed the pci bus location before |
| 03:23.39 | xam | lazarus: that's not true |
| 03:23.42 | loke___ | but i cant find /etc/apt/apt.conf? |
| 03:23.47 | none_ | but then why is mplayer-mozilla in the database? |
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| 03:23.56 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Create it, it doesn't exist by default. |
| 03:23.59 | stonecolddsl | I am just used to running xf86config and being done with it |
| 03:24.00 | loke___ | ohh |
| 03:24.01 | none_ | and why does it reference mplayer if its not in the archive |
| 03:24.03 | xam | lazarus: just legal concerns |
| 03:24.08 | none_ | it doesnt make sense |
| 03:24.15 | lazarus | xam: exactly |
| 03:24.21 | lazarus | !+mplayer |
| 03:24.22 | dpkg | somebody said mplayer was at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ , or for debian packages, see http://hpisi.nerim.net/, or the url for debian packages moved to ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/; as for why mplayer isn't in debian, ask me about <mplayer license> |
| 03:24.24 | stonecolddsl | debian is giving me a headache |
| 03:24.25 | xam | lazarus: it's free nontheless |
| 03:24.31 | lazarus | !+mplayer license |
| 03:24.31 | dpkg | methinks mplayer license is due to certain libraries in mplayer it is not possible to provide a binary in Debian. Instead, build your own package. See 'mplayer' to learn how to do that |
| 03:24.46 | lazarus | xam: you apparently misdefine "free"? |
| 03:25.03 | JoshTriplett | none_: packages in contrib can reference packages not in the archive. |
| 03:25.03 | xam | lazarus: you mean as in beer? |
| 03:25.11 | lazarus | xam: this is #debian, do you mean dfsg? |
| 03:25.38 | loke___ | JoshTriplett ok done |
| 03:25.41 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: If you don't care about software patents, MPlayer is Free Software. |
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| 03:25.50 | morfeo | hi |
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| 03:25.54 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: you just contrradicted yourself |
| 03:26.05 | troubled | anyone have any luck with the kernel patch? |
| 03:26.06 | lazarus | !tell JoshTriplett about dfsg |
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| 03:26.21 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: bear in mind what channel you're in |
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| 03:26.42 | lazarus | pir4: yes? |
| 03:26.47 | pir4 | nothing |
| 03:26.49 | stonecolddsl | please is there any other way to configure x other than dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as I dont know agp cards pci bus number and lspci info converted to dec is not working either |
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| 03:26.51 | pir4 | just trying something |
| 03:26.55 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: Yes, I know about the dfsg. I don't think Debian should distribute mplayer or other patented software _when the patents are being enforced_. |
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| 03:27.04 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: *ever* |
| 03:27.09 | jaxxan | what's the best way to enable flash in konqueror? i'm running into alot of web pages that require flash and it's hindering my surfing abilities |
| 03:27.11 | xam | lazarus: MPlayer is available under the GNU General Public License v2 (straight from www.mplayerhq.hu) ... it's only some add-on libraries that cause trouble ... but to be fair, most users will need those add-on libraries |
| 03:27.13 | Pupeno- | I'm getting this error: ohci1394: fw-host0: SelfID received, but NodeID invalid (probably new bus reset occurred): 0000FFC0 when plugging my firewire camera, sony PD100AP, any ideas ? |
| 03:27.23 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: if the patent is there, there's no guarantee some idiot wno't enforce it tomorrow |
| 03:27.32 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: However, if Debian stopped distributing any software covered by patents, there would be no distribution left. |
| 03:27.44 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: that is bullshit |
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| 03:27.50 | morfeo | how to print a file that i edit in VIM in color ps ? but redirectioning to a file .PS (sorry for my english) |
| 03:28.05 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: tell that to debian-legal@lists.debian.org, and wear your asbestos underwear |
| 03:28.08 | jhobs | xam -> you are right. all the mplayer people are every complaining about is software patents. mplayer itself is gnu. |
| 03:28.14 | loke___ | JoshTriplett what now? |
| 03:28.17 | xoz | stonecolddsl, try XFree86 -configure |
| 03:28.30 | JoshTriplett | loke___: OK, now run "apt-get update", and then "apt-get --simulate -t unstable install x-window-system". |
| 03:28.36 | g4lt | morfeo unless you want to do something different with the text color, it just works |
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| 03:28.52 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: That's the consensus opinion on debian-legal - ignore patents unless being enforced. |
| 03:28.55 | jaxxan | hrm, ok, is konqueror a mozilla browser ? |
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| 03:29.01 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: fraid not |
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| 03:29.06 | cafuego | jaxxan: nope |
| 03:29.07 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: I participate there regularly. |
| 03:29.10 | Defenestrator | nou, Konq is something else |
| 03:29.17 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: then you know otherwise |
| 03:29.19 | g4lt | JoshTriplett and I don't? |
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| 03:29.32 | jaxxan | so installing flashplayer-mozilla would do nothing then.... |
| 03:29.34 | LoneIguana | Is it a good idea to mount /tmp with noexec set? |
| 03:29.37 | jhobs | Can anyone recommend a good place where a person could buy sid or testing on cd or dvd? |
| 03:29.47 | loke___ | JoshTriplett it says syntax error extra junk at end of apt.conf file? |
| 03:29.47 | lazarus | g4lt: the guy seems to have some funndamentals missing in his cpu |
| 03:29.50 | morfeo | g4lt : when i use X it's work fine, but now i am in a remote termina without X... |
| 03:29.53 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: Not trying to get in an argument; just saying what I have read on debian-legal. |
| 03:29.55 | xoz | jaxxan, konqueror can search for compatible plugins |
| 03:30.03 | lazarus | LoneIguana: some would say yes, and they make sense |
| 03:30.06 | jaxxan | xoz: how ? |
| 03:30.08 | loke___ | JoshTriplett what should apt.conf say? |
| 03:30.08 | g4lt | morfeo why wouldn't it work? |
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| 03:30.30 | lazarus | LoneIguana: the only problem is, a number of pacakges DO use /tmp for some scripts they need to execute, and that of course would break that ability |
| 03:30.34 | loke___ | 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' |
| 03:30.37 | xam | jaxxan: in the default configuration, konqueror doesn't use the mozilla HTML render engine (gekko). However there exists an plugin that enables you to use gekko with konqueror |
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| 03:30.42 | morfeo | g4lt : E365: Failed to print PostScript file |
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| 03:30.49 | lazarus | LoneIguana: so it's safest to say "no" to that question, sorry |
| 03:30.53 | xoz | jaxxan, kcontrol or konqueror configuration |
| 03:31.03 | g4lt | JoshTriplett there are two channel regulars that actually particiapte on d-l, and you're not one of them. or bonus points, tell me which two |
| 03:31.06 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Yes, without the single-quotes. |
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| 03:31.13 | loke___ | JoshTriplett ok |
| 03:31.19 | JoshTriplett | loke___: and followed by a newline. |
| 03:31.34 | g4lt | morfeo sounds like you don't have a destination for lpr |
| 03:31.35 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: I don't know, I'm not regularly on #debian. |
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| 03:31.48 | lazarus | g4lt: "overfiend used to be a regular here, heh_" |
| 03:31.54 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: I do know who some of the debian-legal regulars are, though. |
| 03:32.06 | g4lt | JoshTriplett no, you don't |
| 03:32.07 | morfeo | g4lt : i just want a FILE.PS not a PAPER copy... |
| 03:32.12 | stonecolddsl | What is the command to go back to the setup program to totally reconfigure debian I need to start from the base system config program |
| 03:32.15 | jaxxan | oh that was kewl |
| 03:32.19 | jaxxan | thanks alot ! |
| 03:32.26 | loke___ | JoshTriplett a newline? |
| 03:32.32 | g4lt | morfeo ahhh. I'm used to printing to printers |
| 03:32.34 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: that's gone now, but "tasksel" may be what you have in mind |
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| 03:32.47 | xoz | stonecolddsl, base-config |
| 03:32.48 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: you may also want to trty "dpkg-reconfigure base-config" |
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| 03:32.53 | loke___ | JoshTriplett a blank line? |
| 03:32.55 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: Branden Robinson, Nathaniel Nerode, Don Armstrong, Steve Langasek, ... |
| 03:32.56 | stonecolddsl | thanks |
| 03:33.00 | morfeo | g4lt : sorry my english is very bad.... |
| 03:33.15 | loke___ | JoshTriplett apt-get update is working |
| 03:33.16 | g4lt | JoshTriplett that's good for about a month or so back |
| 03:33.23 | g4lt | BTW, I lied. there's three |
| 03:33.30 | JoshTriplett | loke___: No, just make sure that you hit enter at the end of the line. |
| 03:33.33 | jaldhar | hello does nautilus allow you access a digital camera with a camera:/ type URL like you can in konqueror? |
| 03:33.41 | stonecolddsl | Well the funny thing is nothing happens wyhen I do dpkg-reconfigure base-config |
| 03:33.51 | loke___ | JoshTriplett i did... and update is done, what next |
| 03:33.59 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: add the -plow switch in the middle |
| 03:34.06 | xoz | stonecolddsl, no, just type base-config |
| 03:34.24 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: or try xoz |
| 03:34.24 | stonecolddsl | xoz that worked |
| 03:34.27 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Run "apt-get --simulate -t unstable install xserver-xfree86". |
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| 03:34.45 | xoz | lazarus, i though you're dead :) |
| 03:35.12 | lazarus | xoz: working on it :( |
| 03:35.18 | xoz | hahaha |
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| 03:35.34 | loke___ | JoshTriplett ok, i apt'd xserver-xfree86, then |
| 03:35.47 | JoshTriplett | loke___: did you use --simulate? |
| 03:35.50 | loke___ | yep |
| 03:36.00 | lazarus | heh |
| 03:36.15 | loke___ | JoshTriplett what next? |
| 03:36.27 | JoshTriplett | loke___: What did it show? (Don't past the full contents here, just say what changes it said it would make) |
| 03:36.44 | jaxxan | i'll see ya'll tomorrow, gonna go rent a dvd and head home |
| 03:36.50 | loke___ | 1 upgraded |
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| 03:37.11 | JoshTriplett | loke___: OK, do the same thing without the "--simulate". |
| 03:37.15 | jaxxan | there has been tons of bitching in here today... ya'll need to get laid and stuff |
| 03:37.21 | loke___ | JoshTriplett ok |
| 03:37.21 | jaxxan | see ya |
| 03:37.23 | stonecolddsl | god I dont know what to do base-config takes me up to mail part.... But I can not seem to get anything to fix my damn video card problems |
| 03:37.41 | loke___ | JoshTriplett whats the --simulate do? |
| 03:37.48 | lazarus | loke___: man apt-get |
| 03:37.53 | stonecolddsl | why cant debain just probe the damn stupid card to find it bus id like everything else |
| 03:37.59 | xoz | stonecolddsl, did you try XFree86 -configure? |
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| 03:38.18 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: blind probing breaks things, and is a bad policy imo |
| 03:38.19 | loke___ | JoshTriplett it set up xfree86 server |
| 03:38.22 | JoshTriplett | loke___: See the manual page, but basically it shows what apt would do without actually doing it. |
| 03:38.34 | loke___ | JoshTriplett what next? |
| 03:38.42 | stonecolddsl | no peopel been telling me dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:38.43 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Useful if it shows "1 upgraded, 400 to be removed". :) |
| 03:39.03 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: :) |
| 03:39.10 | directhex | only 400? |
| 03:39.12 | xoz | stonecolddsl, try XFree86 -configure .... it will search for your video |
| 03:39.33 | loke___ | it showed 1 upgraded, 0 to remove, 352 not upgraded. |
| 03:39.39 | JoshTriplett | loke___: OK. If you finished doing the dpkg-reconfigure after updating the md5sum, then try starting X. |
| 03:39.50 | loke___ | JoshTriplett ok |
| 03:40.02 | JoshTriplett | loke___: That's expected, since there many new versions in unstable that you are not using. |
| 03:40.03 | lazarus | loke___: that's not the x suite then, it's just one tiny bit of it |
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| 03:40.34 | stonecolddsl | oh I just give up I am going to cry |
| 03:40.41 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: Yes, I encountered the "remove all of KDE to install CUPS" problem. |
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| 03:40.57 | loke___ | lazarus what do i need to install then? |
| 03:41.02 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: Fortunately, before actually removing all of KDE. |
| 03:41.20 | stonecolddsl | Debian so confusing I could of had slackware installed 10 times by now for what it taken me just to get this dumb video card working |
| 03:41.33 | JoshTriplett | loke___, lazarus: You can just upgrade xserver-xfree86 and you will get the newer video card drivers. |
| 03:41.40 | directhex | bedtime. |
| 03:41.47 | loke___ | JoshTriplett ok |
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| 03:41.58 | xoz | stonecolddsl, r u using woody or sid ? |
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| 03:42.11 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Have you already dpkg-reconfigured X after updating the md5sum so it will actually change the configuration, or do you still need to do that. |
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| 03:42.20 | hairy_potter | aloha |
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| 03:42.29 | lazarus | stonecolddsl: traditionally, it's always been wise to know *everything* about your hardware before attempting a debian installation, yes |
| 03:42.29 | stonecolddsl | xoz Sarge -or what ever the latest testing release is called |
| 03:42.48 | stonecolddsl | lazarus well slack has never asked me for my pci bus id |
| 03:42.50 | Justin | stonecolddsl: "debian" doesn't give a shit what your busid is. if you bothered to read the screen, it told you that you didn't need to put it in |
| 03:42.55 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: oh it's a *driver* issue? i miseed that |
| 03:43.03 | loke___ | JoshTriplett i did the md5sum just in case |
| 03:43.06 | Justin | stonecolddsl: but it is clear that you are illiterate to begin with, so I am not surprised |
| 03:43.09 | xoz | stonecolddsl, why not try pinning sid.... if your hardware is new, sid may help you |
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| 03:43.19 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: Yes, loke___ needed the sid ati driver to support a new Radeon. |
| 03:43.19 | morfeo | when i use a VIM "hardcopy > file.ps" i get black and white PS, but how to make a syntax color PS ?? |
| 03:43.20 | Guerin | xoz: not for X |
| 03:43.36 | Guerin | xoz: sid and sarge use the same version of xfree86 |
| 03:43.43 | stonecolddsl | Justion then you tell me why it keeps looking at PCI:0:1:-0 and teling me it not found |
| 03:43.47 | hairy_potter | xoz: and sid is not for newbies :) |
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| 03:43.53 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: No, they don't. |
| 03:43.57 | stonecolddsl | xoz my hardware is not new just an old gf2 pro card |
| 03:43.59 | Guerin | xoz: and please don't encourage people with basic config problems to use unstable, or pinning, and especially not both together |
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| 03:44.02 | Justin | !tell stonecolddsl about X problem |
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| 03:44.08 | lazarus | Guerin: weird that he'd get a "1 package upgraded" then |
| 03:44.09 | g4lt | stonecolddsl are you on a peecee? |
| 03:44.13 | Guerin | !info xserver-xfree86 sid |
| 03:44.17 | Guerin | !info xserver-xfree86 sarge |
| 03:44.19 | stonecolddsl | yes I am on a pc |
| 03:44.23 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 5493 kB, Installed size: 15360 kB |
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| 03:44.36 | g4lt | stonecolddsl then you shouldn't have to specify the busid of the card |
| 03:44.38 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (the XFree86 X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 5321 kB, Installed size: 14828 kB |
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| 03:44.54 | g4lt | busid is only for macs |
| 03:44.55 | JoshTriplett | loke___: So /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 contains the updated configuration file from running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 03:44.57 | stonecolddsl | I am getting a list of core system failures |
| 03:45.04 | lazarus | same upstream version though, so i doubt the drivers would differ |
| 03:45.07 | Guerin | ok, different package version of the same Xfree version - my point stands |
| 03:45.13 | Justin | g4lt: and if you have more than one video card of the same type, though it says more than one video card |
| 03:45.16 | JoshTriplett | lazarus, Guerin: backported drivers. |
| 03:45.20 | xoz | stonecolddsl, i doubt your problem is only X |
| 03:45.28 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: ah, you saw that in the changelogs? |
| 03:45.46 | JoshTriplett | lazarus, Guerin: Since Debian won't be upgrading to 4.4, the Debian X strike force is busily backporting stuff. |
| 03:45.56 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: ahhh |
| 03:46.08 | kreg | anytime someone starts downloading a file from the web, it chokes the network. what can i do to the gateway computer so that there is still room for surfers? |
| 03:46.10 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: loke___ and I just compared ati driver versions, and mine is newer. |
| 03:46.16 | JoshTriplett | s/is/was/ |
| 03:46.17 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: must suck to be them these days |
| 03:46.20 | demandred_ | is debian switching to x.org at some point? |
| 03:46.22 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: right |
| 03:46.32 | Guerin | demandred_: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 03:46.33 | stonecolddsl | ok I am trying to think back.... It ask me about my mouse I told it auto as that has always worked... setup my keyboard etc... then i picked my driver and told me nvidia cards did not like ddc probing and gave me a bunch of manual bs |
| 03:46.34 | lazarus | demandred_: debian-x@lists.debian.org |
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| 03:46.37 | JoshTriplett | demandred_: Yes, or freedesktop.org |
| 03:46.39 | Justin | kreg: apt-cache search shaper |
| 03:47.04 | JoshTriplett | loke___: So /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 contains the updated configuration file from running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 03:47.08 | lazarus | demandred_: "maybe but don't hold your breath" |
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| 03:47.16 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: exactly. |
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| 03:47.29 | demandred_ | heh. They can't backport forever... |
| 03:47.52 | xoz | stonecolddsl, what kernel version? |
| 03:48.04 | JoshTriplett | oops, loke___ left, probably to start X. |
| 03:48.06 | lazarus | moving forward would be MUCH work, so backports are more "now" |
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| 03:48.31 | demandred_ | fair enough |
| 03:48.33 | lazarus | demandred_: see what i just said, and then add in the sarge freeze, i'll guess that's a consideration |
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| 03:48.44 | loke___ | JoshTriplett it worked but the mouse is dead |
| 03:48.52 | Defenestrator | true.. but that effects Sid as well? |
| 03:49.00 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Well, that's still some great progress. |
| 03:49.11 | lazarus | Defenestrator: expect more "real" movement after sarge releases, if things run as they have in the past |
| 03:49.17 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Did you leave GPM installed? |
| 03:49.19 | loke___ | JoshTriplett how do i switch between terms in runlevel |
| 03:49.22 | loke___ | JoshTriplett yes |
| 03:49.30 | stonecolddsl | xoz it is 2.6 somthing |
| 03:49.35 | lazarus | Defenestrator: yeah, traditionally sid has always suffered as the freeze happened |
| 03:49.36 | loke___ | ctrl atl F2? |
| 03:49.52 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Alt-F<term number> if you are in a text console, or Ctrl-Alt-F<term number> from X. |
| 03:50.05 | xoz | stonecolddsl, did you try XFree86 -config command? |
| 03:50.23 | JoshTriplett | loke___: OK, you either need to remove GPM, or configure XFree86 to use GPM as the mouse. Which would you prefer? |
| 03:50.27 | lazarus | Defenestrator: we on sid suffer, but i think it's for the best to get a deecent stable out there (i just wish it was faster) |
| 03:50.29 | loke___ | JoshTriplett it was freezing up in x, seemed like, i couldnt get a to a text console for a few seconds |
| 03:50.32 | Defenestrator | only so many people I suppose. Perhaps someday I'll reach the point where I have both the skills and the free time to help with packaging |
| 03:50.43 | loke___ | JoshTriplett which is better? |
| 03:50.44 | kreg | Justin, i don't have a man page for shaper. is there a doc? |
| 03:50.46 | Defenestrator | absolutely... there's nothing wrong with Sid suffering. That's what it's there for |
| 03:50.48 | lazarus | loke___: don't remove gpm!!!! /msg dpkg gpm |
| 03:50.50 | JoshTriplett | loke___: You mean there was a short delay before switching consoles? That's normal. |
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| 03:50.53 | lazarus | !tell loke___ about gpm |
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| 03:51.15 | Justin | kreg: what files did the package include? |
| 03:51.28 | Defenestrator | and it's not good to move to a new stable too quickly... one of the best things about Stable is that you can install it on a server and leave it alone for years, aside from apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:51.30 | JoshTriplett | Some of the dpkg gpm advice is inaccurate, though. |
| 03:51.31 | loke___ | JoshTriplett yes a short delay |
| 03:51.43 | loke___ | JoshTriplett what do i need to do, to make x use gpm? |
| 03:51.44 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: fix it? |
| 03:51.51 | kreg | Justin, libatm and iproute |
| 03:51.55 | lazarus | loke___: dind't you read what the bot told you? |
| 03:51.59 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Configure gpm to repeat using type "ms3". |
| 03:52.16 | loke___ | lazarus JoshTriplett says that its inaccurate? |
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| 03:52.18 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: I'm not that familiar with the dpkg bot, how would I do that? |
| 03:52.34 | stonecolddsl | let me restart ssee if i cant figure this out |
| 03:52.39 | loke___ | !tell JoshTriplett about gpm |
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| 03:52.53 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: /msg me the change you want, i'll do it, but after i'll msg you what i msg to the bot :))) |
| 03:53.05 | JoshTriplett | loke___, lazarus: Most of what it says is accurate, except that you _need_ to use repeat type ms3. |
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| 03:53.09 | Justin | kreg: uh no, it included a bit more than 2 files |
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| 03:53.19 | loke___ | JoshTriplett, what should i do? |
| 03:53.20 | kreg | Justin, how do you tell? |
| 03:53.33 | JoshTriplett | loke___, lazarus: Also, you _need_ to make X use the mouse device /dev/gpmdata with type "Intellimouse". |
| 03:53.37 | WALoeIII | If you are 17 can you go to BYOC for summer CPL? pm me yes/no please! |
| 03:53.44 | JoshTriplett | loke___: First run gpmconfig. |
| 03:54.20 | Justin | kreg: man dpkg ? |
| 03:54.27 | loke___ | JoshTriplett the first question should i change anything? |
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| 03:54.44 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Say yes. |
| 03:54.47 | loke___ | ok |
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| 03:55.04 | loke___ | JoshTriplett whereis my mouse, next question? |
| 03:55.21 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: is that better? |
| 03:55.21 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Answer "/dev/psaux". |
| 03:55.24 | loke___ | k |
| 03:55.38 | loke___ | JoshTriplett what type of mouse? |
| 03:55.42 | lazarus | loke___: "/dev/gpmdata" if yu're telling *X* where |
| 03:55.55 | helix | hmm |
| 03:55.57 | lazarus | loke___: "Intellimouse" if you're telling *X* where |
| 03:56.01 | helix | isn't there a factoid for this? |
| 03:56.18 | lazarus | helix: yes, but he seems unable to read it |
| 03:56.22 | helix | ah |
| 03:56.27 | loke___ | lazarus is gpmconfig for x? |
| 03:56.46 | JoshTriplett | loke___: No, gpmconfig configures the GPM mouse driver. |
| 03:56.54 | lazarus | loke___: run gpmconfig BEFORE any x is started, and no, it's not (though it leads to x working later) |
| 03:56.54 | JoshTriplett | loke___: le me check something. |
| 03:56.58 | loke___ | k |
| 03:57.10 | Justin | I don't know why you even bother, he is never going to use gpm |
| 03:57.36 | helix | Justin: i think JoshTriplett is sort of a new regular.. with lots of patience.. |
| 03:57.48 | loke___ | JoshTriplett, "what type is your mouse [autops2]? |
| 03:58.02 | Justin | patience has nothing to do with it, setting up the convoluted mess of gpm and X is pointless |
| 03:58.10 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Hit enter to accept the default of "autops2". |
| 03:58.12 | Jebediah | GPM is a mess |
| 03:58.12 | xoz | agree |
| 03:58.13 | loke___ | k |
| 03:58.24 | lazarus | Jebediah: what's wrong with gpm? |
| 03:58.29 | helix | Justin: shrug, it's not wasting *my* time. ;) |
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| 03:58.38 | Justin | lazarus: gpm can't do a single thing right |
| 03:58.38 | JoshTriplett | Justin: Actually, it is nice to be able to stop GPM so that the mouse device is free, without stopping X. |
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| 03:58.49 | ASK | good evening |
| 03:58.51 | lazarus | Justin: oh? |
| 03:58.54 | Jebediah | lazarus: mainly the fact it doesn't work correctly and is a PITA to setup correctly. |
| 03:58.56 | lazarus | Justin: 03:58 <Justin> lazarus: gpm can't do a single thing right |
| 03:58.58 | JoshTriplett | Justin: That's the only reason I use it, since I don't need the mouse in the console. |
| 03:59.01 | lazarus | Justin: courtesy of gpm |
| 03:59.07 | xoz | lazarus, what's wrong? what's right about gpm? :) |
| 03:59.08 | loke___ | JoshTriplett now what? |
| 03:59.18 | lazarus | xoz: it works, i see nothing wrong with it |
| 03:59.22 | JoshTriplett | loke___: What's the next question in gpmconfig? |
| 03:59.32 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Should be something about "repeat type". |
| 03:59.33 | Justin | "mouse in the console" is a pointless device for people who either a) don't understand how pipes work, or b) don't know how to use screen |
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| 04:00.00 | peterS | lazarus: gpm is one of those things that works fine for most people, but certain people like to get dogmatic about why it's evil |
| 04:00.04 | loke___ | JoshTriplett repeat protocol [ms3] |
| 04:00.12 | peterS | lazarus: you just have to excuse such people, they're way too sophisticated for the likes of us |
| 04:00.13 | xoz | lazarus, ic. never need it... am always in X console |
| 04:00.16 | lazarus | Justin: there's many instancecs of screen here, ,the pasting in it is a royal pain |
| 04:00.16 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Again, hit enter to accept the default. |
| 04:00.23 | loke___ | JoshTriplett i finished |
| 04:00.25 | jjna | hippie, my window manager menues don't refresh after installing new software, I use window maker and used to have a ~/.menu/ but not anymore, any ideas? |
| 04:00.27 | Jebediah | Justin: gpm is useful with links in console if I want to check something fast |
| 04:00.32 | JoshTriplett | helix: No, not really a regular, just on break. |
| 04:00.42 | Justin | lazarus: how do you copy more than one screenful in gpm? |
| 04:00.49 | helix | JoshTriplett: well, by "regular" i mean you've been here quite a bit in the past few days |
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| 04:00.57 | lazarus | Justin: and yes i do use it on those boxes that pack a pointing device (which i have, since i'm not tied to them) |
| 04:00.59 | Justin | lazarus: how do you copy something with gpm and have it join the lines by spaces? |
| 04:01.06 | loke___ | JoshTriplett whats next? |
| 04:01.10 | peterS | Jebediah: you evil person you. Justin thinks you should always run links inside a screen session. because otherwise you aren't pure enough, or something |
| 04:01.21 | JoshTriplett | loke___: OK, now configure xserver-xfree86 to use the mouse device "/dev/gpmdata" and use mouse protocol "Intellimouse". |
| 04:01.37 | lazarus | this is so so wrong, needs repairing |
| 04:01.39 | loke___ | JoshTriplett how? |
| 04:01.43 | lazarus | screen (1) - screen manager with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation |
| 04:01.53 | loke___ | !tell loke___ about gpm |
| 04:01.58 | Jebediah | peterS: I should slit my throat :( |
| 04:02.03 | lazarus | screen (1) - screen manager and BRINGER OF ALL HOLINESS |
| 04:02.04 | Guerin | !sing bob2 |
| 04:02.04 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
| 04:02.07 | lazarus | there, much better ;))) |
| 04:02.11 | Defenestrator | lol |
| 04:02.16 | peterS | Jebediah: yeah. end your pointless existence, since you are so dumb as to use gpm instead of screen cut/paste mode |
| 04:02.31 | JoshTriplett | loke___: What dpkg said. |
| 04:02.40 | loke___ | ok |
| 04:02.41 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Run dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 (again). |
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| 04:02.43 | Justin | maybe if gpm could actually cut and paste correctly it would be a different story, but it sort of can't |
| 04:02.50 | Jebediah | peterS: I think screen might even cure my medical problems! |
| 04:02.55 | loke___ | JoshTriplett heh |
| 04:02.56 | peterS | Jebediah: it just might |
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| 04:03.04 | lazarus | Jebediah: i can WISH it would for me :( |
| 04:03.12 | JoshTriplett | Justin: Like I said, I don't actually use it for cut/paste, just for an intermediate layer between X and the mouse device. |
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| 04:03.16 | Guerin | Jebediah: especially if they're frustration -related about gpm pasting |
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| 04:03.39 | xoz | JoshTriplett, why need an intermediate layer? |
| 04:03.39 | Jebediah | Justin: gpm is a mess but some of us don't want to mess with screen |
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| 04:03.48 | Jebediah | lol |
| 04:03.48 | JoshTriplett | Justin: If there was some way to tell X "Stop using /dev/psaux for a minute", I would ditch gpm. |
| 04:03.57 | helix | too many nicks with capital J |
| 04:04.02 | peterS | Jebediah: I think Justin would like to have us believe that screen *isn't* a mess. this is funny in its own right |
| 04:04.13 | loke___ | JoshTriplett so i selected /dev/gpmdata |
| 04:04.15 | JoshTriplett | helix: Heh, I have been called "JoshH" about 10 times today. |
| 04:04.24 | JoshTriplett | loke___: OK. |
| 04:04.30 | loke___ | JoshTriplett i want to emulate a 3 button mouse correct? |
| 04:04.32 | Jebediah | peterS: ja, I always laugh at the people who say screen is so easy |
| 04:04.45 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Unless you actually have three buttons, yes. |
| 04:04.50 | loke___ | k |
| 04:04.51 | lazarus | Jebediah: screen *basics* are though |
| 04:05.02 | Justin | Jebediah: ah, what is gpms method for copying more than one screen? I'm sure it is easy? |
| 04:05.06 | helix | all i can do is run irssi within screen and then screen -x |
| 04:05.09 | peterS | Jebediah: it's just funny that someone preaching the evils of gpm, which is complex but works fine most of the time ... is advocating screen instead - which has those same properties |
| 04:05.09 | lazarus | Jebediah: (and i use gpm, heh) |
| 04:05.24 | loke___ | JoshTriplett what next? |
| 04:05.28 | lazarus | helix: time to learn your daily command ... ^A? |
| 04:05.34 | Jebediah | lazarus: but the basics aren't what I'd even need screen for |
| 04:05.35 | helix | oh, i can detach too |
| 04:05.38 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Are you done with the xfree86 configuration? |
| 04:05.56 | lazarus | Jebediah: you don't attach/detach? |
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| 04:05.59 | Justin | peterS: gpm is complex and _Doesn't Work_, there is a difference |
| 04:06.11 | g4lt | lazarus she knows how to use ^A, how else would she ^AACTION:foo^A ? ;P |
| 04:06.13 | Jebediah | Justin: I don't use GPM to copy... I just use links to save the page and grep if need be |
| 04:06.18 | loke___ | JoshTriplett i only did xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:06.20 | peterS | Justin: amazingly enough, that second half doesn't seem to be particularly true |
| 04:06.23 | lazarus | g4lt: lol, in screen :P |
| 04:06.30 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Yes, that's all yhou need to configure. |
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| 04:06.34 | Jebediah | lazarus: Nope... I either use one console or launch X |
| 04:06.36 | Justin | peterS: so come on, what is gpms method for copying more than one screen? |
| 04:06.37 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Now try starting X again. |
| 04:06.42 | peterS | Justin: it doesn't work if you use it wrong, true |
| 04:06.43 | loke___ | ok |
| 04:06.56 | Justin | peterS: I'm sure it is easy, cause like screen is hard you say, so how do you do it with gpm? |
| 04:07.00 | Jebediah | by the time I get more than one session going I find I need a GUI something before too long |
| 04:07.14 | g4lt | bah, GUI is for wussies |
| 04:07.17 | lazarus | Jebediah: um, attach/detach has nothing to do with whether you have multiples screen "windows" or not |
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| 04:07.26 | peterS | Justin: gpm isn't intended to deal with more than one screenful at a time. If you're copying and pasting *that much* data, you should be using something else. like pipes, or screen, or emacs |
| 04:07.28 | helix | no, GUI is for more terms |
| 04:07.29 | Jebediah | g4lt: I'll kill myself now, thanks |
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| 04:08.02 | lazarus | Jebediah: attach/detach allows you to logout, ,and leave a compile running, nd come back in an hour and reattach to it, for example (that could be from a remote *other* site, such as work/home) |
| 04:08.06 | peterS | Justin: you'll have to forgive all of us who use gpm daily, and copy and paste things with it all the time, for doubting your word that it is not, in fact, working for us |
| 04:08.11 | Jebediah | lazarus: sorry, I was mixed up. Most stuff I do doesn't take much time in the terminal... |
| 04:08.17 | Justin | peterS: what about 4 lines of information that happends to be split between the previous screen and the current? |
| 04:08.21 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: Mind if I delete the parts of the dpkg gpm message that mention msc and MouseSystems? |
| 04:08.26 | lazarus | Jebediah: ah, most i do takes a while, i don't have a fast box |
| 04:08.31 | peterS | Justin: for that, you scroll up, so that you can see it all at once |
| 04:08.38 | Jebediah | lazarus: then screen is good for you :) |
| 04:08.48 | peterS | Justin: your questions would indicate that either you're a moron, or you think I'm one |
| 04:09.08 | peterS | Justin: I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you're misinformed about me, rather than just stupid |
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| 04:09.21 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: actually, i know those have worked for me in the past, *may* be a stable-vs-unstable issue? |
| 04:09.22 | ph1sh | If I have a PC with two hard drives...debian on the master, windows on the slave....will the default linux bootloader display the windows HD and give me the option to load it? |
| 04:09.25 | Justin | no, I just feel bad for you for having to put up with gpm |
| 04:09.25 | loke___ | !yes |
| 04:09.31 | loke___ | JoshTriplett it works dude |
| 04:09.34 | loke___ | JoshTriplett u rule |
| 04:09.40 | JoshTriplett | loke___: No problem. |
| 04:09.50 | loke___ | JoshTriplett thank you very much |
| 04:10.18 | loke___ | JoshTriplett can i trouble you with one more minor issue |
| 04:10.34 | loke___ | JoshTriplett how can i increase the fontsize |
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| 04:10.41 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: Well, the GPM maintainer recently pointed out that any bidirectional protocol as repeat type will have bad effects, and that GPM "ms3" -> XFree86 "Intellimouse" is the only sane configuration. |
| 04:11.06 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: /msg dpkg elf gpm |
| 04:11.09 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: :) |
| 04:11.18 | peterS | Justin: as far as scrolling back goes, I'm quite often pasting text from apps which are perfectly good at scrolling themselves, thank you very much. Like emacs, or irssi, or elinks. for things that don't use full-screen terminal mode, of course, 'screen' is a nice layer that provides scrollback. |
| 04:11.19 | everton | i have my keyboard correcly configured in the console, how do i find the corresponding proper config for X? |
| 04:11.19 | g4lt | JoshTriplett you mean that for TEN YEARS, i've had a system that didn't work?! |
| 04:11.28 | lazarus | JoshTriplett: change it then, you recall how? what i /msg'd you? |
| 04:11.57 | JoshTriplett | loke___: Sure. Do you use a display manager (GDM, KDM, etc) or run startx directly? |
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| 04:12.10 | loke___ | i use gdm |
| 04:12.11 | JoshTriplett | lazarus: No problem, I just wanted to check before changing it. |
| 04:12.11 | lazarus | everton: if only it was a mouse not the keyboard you were asking about, we'd know ;) |
| 04:12.34 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: Not that it "didn't work", just that you might encounter random mouse hangs or other issues. |
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| 04:12.38 | peterS | g4lt: not that it didn't work, but that it wasn't sane and was prone to breakage. this breakage happened with the XFree86 4.3.0 mouse driver. |
| 04:12.45 | mdh | in soviet russia, gdm uses YOU |
| 04:13.09 | lazarus | ahhhhhhhhh, the problem them isn't gpm, which worked for a decade, it's the new x that's stupid |
| 04:13.12 | ph1sh | does anyone know if I have a PC with two hard drives...debian on the master, windows on the slave....will the default linux bootloader display the windows HD and give me the option to load it? |
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| 04:13.30 | g4lt | peterS well, this occured with 3.3.6 at the newest. That's when I finally got my wireless ;P |
| 04:13.35 | lazarus | that i can believe |
| 04:13.42 | peterS | g4lt: now that XFree86 4.3.0 tries to auto-detect the PS/2 mouse type in some cases, it hangs for awhile waiting for a response it will never get, because gpmdata is a one-way fifo |
| 04:13.47 | guestish | ph1sh: if you program it to |
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| 04:13.59 | peterS | lazarus: actually the new X isn't "stupid" - the configuration is wrong. |
| 04:14.07 | lazarus | ph1sh: man 5 lilo.conf (for example) |
| 04:14.29 | sharth | Is there anywhere i should place a bug for dexconf detecting my video driver incorrectly? |
| 04:14.30 | peterS | lazarus: the new X tries to autodetect the PS/2 protocol, and this works fine - if you're actually connected to a PS/2 mouse. if you're connected to a GPM fifo in raw mode, it fails - and X eventually gives up on it and continues, after a few seconds of hanging there |
| 04:14.37 | JoshTriplett | loke___: OK, in the GDM configuration file (I don't know what that is), there will be a line giving parameters for the X server. One of them is "-dpi 100". Remove that, and X should autodetect the Dots Per Inch (DPI) and give you sane font sizes. |
| 04:14.38 | lazarus | ph1sh: "other" being the keyword to grep for |
| 04:15.09 | lazarus | ph1sh: "other" is also in your stock lilo.conf, i think, taling about HURD as a commented-out example |
| 04:15.10 | guestish | peterS: the new X? |
| 04:15.15 | peterS | guestish: well, new as in 4.3.0 |
| 04:15.21 | peterS | guestish: sure, it's not really new as far as upstream goes (: |
| 04:15.26 | g4lt | peterS but yes, I am pointing out that regardless of what JoshTriplett thinks he knows, there ARE uses for repeat type msc and protocol mousesystems |
| 04:15.26 | guestish | peterS: hasnt 4.3.0 been out for a while? |
| 04:15.30 | CoffeeMUG | what defines webmin who is allowed to access and who isnt? |
| 04:15.31 | guestish | peterS: :) |
| 04:15.34 | lazarus | ph1sh: after you change that file, rerunn /sbin/lilo as root of course |
| 04:15.43 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: OK, then I won't change the dpkg gpm message. |
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| 04:16.01 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: Hang on, and I will look up the message on debian-x |
| 04:16.19 | helix | hmm, someone that actually follows -x |
| 04:16.19 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: as poor as webmin security is, it does attempt to imply it limits that based on it's conffiles |
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| 04:16.23 | helix | scary |
| 04:16.38 | ph1sh | Sorry lazarus, got disconnected |
| 04:16.40 | g4lt | peterS you want a cast iron bitch, atibm |
| 04:16.46 | peterS | g4lt: hehe |
| 04:16.55 | lazarus | ph1sh: i'll resend the last couple, in case |
| 04:16.58 | peterS | g4lt: actually, with Debian, repeat type ms3 and protocol intellimouse is just as good |
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| 04:17.02 | lazarus | ph1sh: man 5 lilo.conf (for example) |
| 04:17.03 | CoffeeMUG | lazaruz, but It gives me "Access denied" |
| 04:17.07 | CoffeeMUG | i try to login from my LAN |
| 04:17.08 | lazarus | ph1sh: "other" being the keyword to grep for |
| 04:17.10 | JoshTriplett | loke___: ping |
| 04:17.11 | peterS | g4lt: the reason this isn't more widely known is that repeat type ms3 is a debian patch - upstream gpm didn't used to have it |
| 04:17.16 | g4lt | peterS assuming you have a wheelmouse, yes |
| 04:17.17 | lazarus | ph1sh: "other" is also in your stock lilo.conf, i think, taling about HURD as a commented-out example |
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| 04:17.24 | peterS | g4lt: even if you don't - it does no harm |
| 04:17.29 | CoffeeMUG | doesnt ask for a login or anything |
| 04:17.29 | lazarus | ph1sh: after you change that file, rerun /sbin/lilo as root of course |
| 04:17.30 | brock | hey guys |
| 04:17.38 | peterS | g4lt: and if you ever upgrade to a wheel mouse in the future, you won't have to change your X config |
| 04:17.43 | brock | can anyone help me out with settingup majordomo? |
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| 04:17.56 | CoffeeMUG | it only allows localhost apparently |
| 04:18.00 | g4lt | peterS I got spoiled by synaptics ;) |
| 04:18.03 | peterS | g4lt: heh |
| 04:18.08 | JoshTriplett | interesting tip: you can set up shortcuts in mozilla, so that "dl blah" takes you to "lists.debian.org/debian-blah", and "bug blah" -> "bugs.debian.org/blah". Useful. |
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| 04:18.21 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: only allowing localhost would be a good deefault, i would think |
| 04:18.24 | ph1sh | lazarus: ok, i'll see what i can do. thanks |
| 04:18.30 | peterS | JoshTriplett: yeah, good stuff. I should use that feature more |
| 04:18.36 | lazarus | ph1sh: best of luck rochesterian ;) |
| 04:18.38 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, not really, cuz i have no SSL browsers on the localhost |
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| 04:18.45 | helix | that does sound like a good feature |
| 04:18.50 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: apt-get isntall lynx-ssl |
| 04:18.54 | helix | like, a reason to switch to mozilla even |
| 04:18.56 | lazarus | roooooooooooooooooot |
| 04:18.58 | g4lt | brock yeah, don't. use mailman. you'll be much happier in the long run, trust me |
| 04:18.59 | peterS | JoshTriplett: my hand-rolled equivalent is a local page of form-based bookmarks. works for a lot of similar things |
| 04:19.01 | CoffeeMUG | k |
| 04:19.10 | peterS | helix: not much of a reason to switch away from galeon, which has the same feature, IIRC |
| 04:19.12 | brock | well, I would but I need to know this for LPI 202 |
| 04:19.16 | helix | ah |
| 04:19.25 | brock | I've been at this all day |
| 04:19.27 | peterS | I could be wrong on that - I haven't actually set it up |
| 04:19.28 | ph1sh | lazarus: are you from the rochester area? |
| 04:19.29 | helix | i want it on the bar by the google thingy |
| 04:19.30 | peterS | but I thought I saw it |
| 04:19.36 | g4lt | brock you DO know that majordomo is non-free, n'est pas? |
| 04:19.37 | lazarus | ph1sh: i know ppl that are |
| 04:19.45 | brock | ? |
| 04:19.45 | peterS | helix: it's not a separate button, it's stuff you type into your URL field |
| 04:19.45 | brock | is it? |
| 04:19.46 | ph1sh | ahh, ok :) |
| 04:19.53 | helix | ah, no wonder lkml uses it |
| 04:19.54 | g4lt | !info majordomo |
| 04:19.58 | helix | peterS: i know |
| 04:20.03 | g4lt | okay |
| 04:20.04 | helix | but i want to have things i can click |
| 04:20.06 | g4lt | !info majordomo woody |
| 04:20.07 | brock | well, I only pkan to learn it for the test |
| 04:20.11 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, no such pack |
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| 04:20.19 | peterS | helix: oh. a row of bookmarks. I think those have been in most browsers for some time |
| 04:20.25 | g4lt | I guess it got removed completely after potato |
| 04:20.29 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: I didn't know that. |
| 04:20.30 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, its installed, but doesnt connect |
| 04:20.31 | peterS | or ... ? |
| 04:20.32 | helix | yeah, i'm too dumb to figure it all out though |
| 04:20.34 | helix | ;) |
| 04:20.37 | brock | I downloaded the source manually |
| 04:20.47 | helix | oh wait, no i'm not |
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| 04:20.52 | helix | i just never tried |
| 04:20.56 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: stable? |
| 04:20.58 | helix | loke_____: dude, your tail is getting way too long |
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| 04:21.14 | peterS | helix: I think we were supposed to guess the rest of his nick |
| 04:21.15 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, sid |
| 04:21.16 | peterS | helix: like hangman |
| 04:21.19 | lokemoney | helix some fool stoled my nick |
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| 04:21.29 | helix | he stoled it? |
| 04:21.36 | JoshTriplett | OK, the message about GPM from the maintainer is in the logs of bug 233933 |
| 04:21.52 | JoshTriplett | lokemoney: Ah, I wondered about that, and why "you" didn't answer. |
| 04:21.57 | peterS | JoshTriplett: yeah, I like the way zephaniah put it in that message |
| 04:22.09 | helix | i like the name zephaniah |
| 04:22.14 | lokemoney | JoshTriplett i got split for the server of sumthin |
| 04:22.18 | peterS | JoshTriplett: stuff he had been saying for years, and I'd been repeating for years, and people kept not believing (: |
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| 04:22.27 | lokemoney | JoshTriplett i found /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 04:22.28 | JoshTriplett | lokemoney: You can register your nick with NickServ, so that people can't take your nick. |
| 04:22.29 | helix | ah, is it that message? |
| 04:22.38 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: "lynx" then has https support |
| 04:22.44 | peterS | helix: find out what his middle initial E is. perhaps it's as cool as Zephaniah |
| 04:22.45 | lokemoney | JoshTriplett take out what line, the font is microscopic right now |
| 04:22.53 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, yes it should, but it doesnt connect.. just times out |
| 04:22.59 | helix | peterS: what's his whole name? |
| 04:22.59 | lokemoney | JoshTriplett i will reg |
| 04:22.59 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: (i'm farly sure that's what package i have here on sid, let me check) |
| 04:23.02 | helix | peterS: well, last name |
| 04:23.05 | helix | maybe i'll email him |
| 04:23.09 | peterS | helix: I do not know. All I know is Zephaniah E. Hull |
| 04:23.16 | peterS | helix: or, /msg dpkg maint gpm |
| 04:23.18 | helix | ebenezer? |
| 04:23.27 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: ii lynx-ssl 2.8.4.1b-3.1 Text-mode WWW Browser supporting SSL |
| 04:23.30 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, yeah, it is the package... its installed and all.. |
| 04:23.33 | JoshTriplett | lokemoney: Not an entire line. There should be an option "-dpi 100" or "-dpi something" in the file. Remove that option, and X will autodetect the DPI. |
| 04:23.34 | CoffeeMUG | just doesnt connect! |
| 04:23.37 | bas | i want to use pcihotplugging for powering off devices such as the cdrom when my laptop is not attached to a power source. how can i really poweroff a device? |
| 04:23.37 | peterS | it could be Ebenezer |
| 04:23.50 | PadDock | what the best language to start do programs? |
| 04:23.55 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: is webmin runnning on apache-ssl or equivalent? |
| 04:23.58 | peterS | PadDock: depends on the programs |
| 04:24.00 | CoffeeMUG | stalls on "waiting for response" |
| 04:24.02 | lokemoney | JoshTriplett ill try |
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| 04:24.04 | helix | PadDock: and depends who you talk to.. |
| 04:24.05 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, apache yes |
| 04:24.08 | PadDock | said one to me |
| 04:24.12 | peterS | PadDock: many people suggest python as a first language, but I'm not fond of it |
| 04:24.14 | bas | PadDock, start do programs? you mean to learn programming? |
| 04:24.14 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: with mod-ssl? |
| 04:24.14 | PadDock | python? |
| 04:24.18 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, i dont know |
| 04:24.28 | JoshTriplett | lokemoney: Good luck. |
| 04:24.30 | PadDock | yes. |
| 04:24.31 | CoffeeMUG | locate mod-ssl gives no hits |
| 04:24.36 | JoshTriplett | See you all later. |
| 04:24.40 | lazarus | PadDock: vague question, how abouut this? what exactly would yuo like to accomplish with it? |
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| 04:24.52 | brock | emm, so no one has setup majordomo here? |
| 04:24.56 | helix | peterS: i remember seeing maria talk about programming etc. i really believe she thinks assembly is the proper first language |
| 04:25.05 | peterS | helix: hehehe |
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| 04:25.12 | felipe | Hi there! |
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| 04:25.16 | peterS | brock: well, I did in 1996, but not since |
| 04:25.16 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: apt-cache show libapache-mod-ssl |
| 04:25.17 | CoffeeMUG | im installing libapache-mod-ssl |
| 04:25.26 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, heh way ahead of you :) |
| 04:25.26 | peterS | brock: so I doubt I know anything about modern-day majordomo |
| 04:25.28 | PadDock | forget it. 10ks all!! =* |
| 04:25.40 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: apt-cache show libapache-mod-ssl-doc too |
| 04:25.42 | CoffeeMUG | sounds reasonable if apache doesnt have ssl support then it wont work |
| 04:25.44 | brock | peterS: emm, that's too bad |
| 04:25.46 | felipe | Is there any patch on debian repository for this: http://www.linuxreviews.org/news/2004-06-11_kernel_crash/index.html |
| 04:25.46 | CoffeeMUG | ok |
| 04:25.51 | brock | I take it you wouldn't remember much? |
| 04:25.55 | helix | brock: why not use mailman? i figure you have a reason.. |
| 04:25.55 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: i *think* you need to tweak apache's conffiles and restart it |
| 04:26.03 | brock | I have to learn it for LPI 202 |
| 04:26.05 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, propably |
| 04:26.06 | brock | that's the only reason |
| 04:26.19 | peterS | brock: well. learn it yourself then (: |
| 04:26.27 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: this at least exaplins why it tiles out, the *server* isn't https-compatible :) |
| 04:26.30 | brock | yea, it looks like it's going to be that way |
| 04:26.34 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: times |
| 04:26.49 | brock | well, thanks for the feedback guys |
| 04:26.52 | brock | see ya |
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| 04:26.57 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, yeah :) |
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| 04:27.44 | lazarus | it seems like brock wanted us to help with his homework, heh |
| 04:27.53 | peterS | lazarus: it would seem that way, yeah |
| 04:28.12 | lazarus | i wonder if he was using mirc to ask? ;) |
| 04:28.12 | peterS | lazarus: "why do you want to use an old ML server, instead of the modern ones that are much easier to set up?" "well, for LPI..." |
| 04:28.17 | peterS | lazarus: heh |
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| 04:28.47 | helix | crap |
| 04:29.02 | lazarus | helix: okay, brb |
| 04:29.07 | lazarus | :) |
| 04:29.13 | helix | :| |
| 04:29.19 | Angligash | i was wondering if anyone tried out bootsplash and got it to work, basically i want to know if its just as simple as the instructison make it out to be or is it a little more diffuclt then it seems |
| 04:29.54 | lokemoney | how do i increase the font size? its microscopic |
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| 04:30.25 | g4lt | lokemoney magnifying glass... |
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| 04:30.41 | lokemoney | g4lt hahaha, not funny |
| 04:30.47 | lokemoney | g4lt well kina |
| 04:30.47 | peterS | lokemoney: or, buy a bigger monitor |
| 04:30.56 | helix | does anyone know if there exists a directory that has a bunch of debian icons? |
| 04:30.59 | lokemoney | come on |
| 04:31.04 | helix | like.. i have no idea where it would be |
| 04:31.13 | helix | but maybe it's in a sekrit location on my system |
| 04:31.13 | peterS | helix: find /usr/share -name \*.png |
| 04:31.20 | peterS | helix: that's what I'd do |
| 04:31.23 | helix | nooo, i know where lal of the png's are |
| 04:31.27 | helix | but i want only debian ones |
| 04:31.36 | lazarus | helix: /usr/share/doc/fblogo/examples/swirl_80x80/debian.png |
| 04:31.38 | helix | umm s/lal/all/ |
| 04:31.40 | g4lt | helix /usr/share would be a good place to start looking |
| 04:31.41 | peterS | helix: icons usually take the form of png images, is what I'm saying |
| 04:31.48 | helix | peterS: yeah, i know |
| 04:32.07 | helix | but i just wondered if maybe there was a god and he put all of the debian logo icons in one directory |
| 04:32.08 | lazarus | /usr/share/doc/fblogo/examples/logo_300x80/debian.png /usr/share/doc/fblogo/examples/logo_640x80/debian.png |
| 04:32.16 | peterS | helix: /usr/share contains files from your debian system. I fail to see what you're asking for that I didn't answer |
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| 04:32.22 | lazarus | helix: if you don't count that intervening subdir |
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| 04:32.32 | helix | peterS: i only want stuff with the debian swirl |
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| 04:32.42 | helix | not just "icons that happen to be on a debian system" |
| 04:32.46 | lazarus | helix: i think those three cover it |
| 04:32.48 | peterS | helix: oh, debian *logo* icons. dunno, then - lazarus seems to have a better idea than I |
| 04:32.55 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, still doesnt work |
| 04:33.22 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: does *any* https://localhost/foo work? |
| 04:33.22 | helix | i need them for my newly decorated galeon |
| 04:33.23 | helix | :) |
| 04:33.48 | peterS | helix: just steal the one debian.org uses for its bookmark thing |
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| 04:33.58 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, it gives me a refused |
| 04:34.09 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, but, the logs show my attempts to access the webmin ssl |
| 04:34.14 | helix | peterS: well, i want a special one for bugs.d.o and another for lists.d.o.. and so forth |
| 04:34.19 | CoffeeMUG | just no reason for not connecting |
| 04:34.27 | lazarus | helix: btw fblogo: /usr/share/doc/fblogo/examples/logo_640x80/debian.png |
| 04:34.36 | helix | what is fblogo? |
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| 04:34.48 | lazarus | helix: purge it after stealing the pngs :) |
| 04:35.07 | lazarus | fblogo - Converts images to framebuffer-logo header file |
| 04:35.14 | helix | ah |
| 04:35.17 | helix | yeah, i don't have it |
| 04:35.30 | cef | heya helix |
| 04:35.33 | peterS | helix: no reason you should - it's only needed if you want to recompile your kernel with a new boot logo |
| 04:35.41 | helix | cef: hi! :) |
| 04:35.43 | helix | ah |
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| 04:36.46 | peterS | helix: I rather doubt you'll get a lot of swirl icons that are visually distinguishable. you'll probably have to pull 'em up in the gimp and make alterations yourself |
| 04:36.54 | helix | damnit |
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| 04:37.18 | peterS | put a cockroach on top of one, for bugs.d.o, for example |
| 04:37.18 | helix | oh well, that would actually take less time |
| 04:37.52 | lazarus | is there a vote.debian.org? |
| 04:38.01 | peterS | lazarus: yeah |
| 04:38.09 | lazarus | somewhere the old logo contest stored all the candiddates? |
| 04:38.28 | peterS | lazarus: they're on there somewhere. but most of the candidates sucked |
| 04:38.33 | lazarus | yeah |
| 04:38.47 | peterS | the swirl was an obvious winner, I thought. indeed, it won by quite a margin |
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| 04:39.22 | lazarus | i do think the change between official and unnofficall, a few months better, was a good one |
| 04:39.30 | lazarus | s/better/later/ |
| 04:39.33 | peterS | lazarus: yeah, agreed, again |
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| 04:40.15 | peterS | lazarus: I wonder if IBM ever noticed the resemblance to the swirl of their red "e" logo, that they use to advertise their e-business stuff |
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| 04:40.30 | peterS | not that it's a striking resemblance, but if you're thinking that way already, the color and general shape are suggestive |
| 04:40.38 | lazarus | peterS: i seem fortunnately advertising-deprived here ;) |
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| 04:41.01 | Angligash | http://www.mandrakeusers.org/index.php?showtopic=13923&st=0&#entry110914 that is the same error im having cant figure out what to do, something about "sleep_on_timeout" and "reschedule_idle" |
| 04:41.03 | peterS | lazarus: heh. the "e" actually looks kind of like an @ sign, which is the obvious intent. after all, nothing says "internet" like "@" |
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| 04:41.22 | peterS | lazarus: since there are no typographical uses for "@" other than email addresses, as everyone knows |
| 04:41.33 | lazarus | hmmm, email == spam == "commerce" yeah |
| 04:41.38 | peterS | oh, and services such as something @ home |
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| 04:41.57 | lazarus | http://user@password:host/path/ |
| 04:42.05 | kevin_ | heya, how would i figure out what device my cd drive is? |
| 04:42.07 | lazarus | if i have the syntax right? |
| 04:42.10 | kevin_ | dvd rather. |
| 04:42.25 | lazarus | kevin_: dmesg ? |
| 04:42.44 | lazarus | kevin_: /etc/fstab if someone added it there already |
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| 04:43.06 | cef | helix: re: logos.. you could just go to http://www.debian.org/logos/ and download some.. |
| 04:43.07 | CoffeeMUG | works now |
| 04:43.08 | CoffeeMUG | great |
| 04:43.19 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: what needed doing? |
| 04:43.33 | peterS | cef: www.debian.org/favicon.ico is a good start |
| 04:43.49 | peterS | cef: it's got 4 icons in it - I assume all different sizes, but haven't actually checked |
| 04:43.53 | CoffeeMUG | lazarus, no idea, i reconfigure apache and webmin, then restarted both a few times and voila |
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| 04:44.04 | cef | peterS: for web based icons, yup.. for "desktop" icons, it's not that great afaik |
| 04:44.09 | helix | cef: yeah, i just did. :) |
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| 04:45.01 | lazarus | CoffeeMUG: heh |
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| 04:45.48 | cef | helix: going to put all these icons/graphics your doing up on double-helix afterwards? *grin* |
| 04:46.29 | helix | cef: sure. :) |
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| 04:46.58 | peterS | helix: so you're actually doing the cockroach thing, and the scroll thing, and so forth? |
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| 04:48.40 | helix | peterS: scroll thing? |
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| 04:48.58 | peterS | helix: I can't think what else you'd put on there for "lists", other than like a parchment scroll or something |
| 04:49.03 | peterS | helix: maybe you've got more imagination than I have |
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| 04:49.19 | helix | peterS: no, i'm putting a debian swirl with the words "list" and "bugs" over it |
| 04:49.20 | peterS | helix: in fact, s/maybe// |
| 04:49.31 | helix | so maybe *less* imagination. :) |
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| 04:49.47 | flatus | hi.. someone know JAVA?? |
| 04:49.54 | peterS | flatus: yeah, he was here yesterday |
| 04:50.02 | peterS | flatus: friend of yours? |
| 04:50.14 | lazarus | flatus: i drank some |
| 04:50.30 | flatus | i mean.. java programing xD |
| 04:50.51 | mary | people people - is there a debian-security announcement for the possible kernel bug - mentioned in the topic ? |
| 04:51.07 | peterS | mary: I'm sure there will be soon. it takes time to get packages recompiled and released |
| 04:51.29 | g4lt | peterS you'd be surprised. $5-$10 for a pound of beans, which has about as much use as a 5# can |
| 04:51.35 | kingsley | flatus: Try #java and #javascript |
| 04:51.52 | lazarus | mary: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
| 04:51.52 | mary | peterS: has it been nailed - the source of the bug - coz i did not see any followup on bugzilla.kernel.org ! |
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| 04:52.11 | mary | lazarus: checked a few minutes ago - no announcement as yet |
| 04:52.17 | peterS | mary: yeah, the patch is simple enough. but still, putting out new debian packages is not an instantaneous process |
| 04:52.28 | lazarus | mary: yeah, i don't think there's pacakge on the archive either |
| 04:52.41 | lazarus | mary: checking now via rsync |
| 04:52.43 | peterS | g4lt: I don't buy or brew coffee myself, so I don't have a basis for comparison. but I just don't frequent the high-dollar cafes that are so pretentious as to sell "java" rather than just "coffee" |
| 04:52.47 | lazarus | mary: none yet |
| 04:53.24 | peterS | helix: it pleases you that much? |
| 04:53.37 | helix | i only spank things when they misbehave |
| 04:53.44 | peterS | g4lt: maybe there isn't actually a need for 'java' to cost more than 'regular coffee', but the places you can buy it make the difference |
| 04:53.49 | kingsley | !lart galeon |
| 04:54.08 | beth | !spank helix |
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| 04:54.19 | g4lt | peterS ahh, I never trust a truckstop with more than black and sweet |
| 04:54.47 | peterS | g4lt: for me it's not a matter of trust - I'm just perfectly happy with whatever the default is in coffee technology |
| 04:54.49 | lazarus | truckstops have to have good coffee |
| 04:54.55 | mary | peterS: oops - i am not saying that the patch is simple/complex - wondering about whether there is a discussion around the bug ? |
| 04:54.59 | lazarus | too many packing a piece not too :) |
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| 04:55.23 | peterS | mary: as for that, I dunno - I'm not caught up on linux-kernel at the moment. that's where the discussion will be, if discussion there be |
| 04:55.34 | kingsley | mary: I seem to recall a thread on slahsdot.org about it. |
| 04:55.47 | peterS | kingsley: if so, that'll be a whole pile of useless |
| 04:55.47 | lazarus | i do know there's been a good bit of talk on lkml about this, just haven't read it all |
| 04:56.03 | peterS | kingsley: if you glean any useful information off slashdot, that you trust to be accurate, you're doing better than I usually do |
| 04:56.05 | lazarus | basically there were a lot of kernels tested, hoping for a pass |
| 04:56.27 | lazarus | unfortunaltely most failed |
| 04:57.14 | kingsley | peterS: Do you know about setting the "threshold" for ratings of comments displayed for you to read on /.? |
| 04:57.20 | zrg | wap wap |
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| 04:57.43 | peterS | kingsley: I set my threshold, yes. you still can't automatically assume that "+5 Informative" actually means anything |
| 04:57.47 | lazarus | threshold=17 out of 5 :) |
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| 04:57.59 | peterS | kingsley: you still have to independently verify the facts. misinformation that sounds good gets modded up as often as good information does |
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| 04:58.06 | g4lt | peterS yeah, >I< even got a +5 today ;) |
| 04:58.10 | peterS | g4lt: heh |
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| 04:58.22 | lazarus | actualy early-post is more likely modded-up-post |
| 04:58.43 | peterS | lazarus: yes. if it sounds plausible and informative, it's not like moderators are gonna double-check your facts |
| 04:59.19 | lazarus | since most moderators aren't chosen on the basis of expertise-in-subject-area |
| 04:59.52 | g4lt | lazarus moderators are selected based on availability |
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| 05:02.07 | FieldySnuts | what time is it on MTV? |
| 05:02.13 | helix | shut up |
| 05:02.19 | peterS | two minutes of beautiful silence |
| 05:02.21 | peterS | broken by *that*? |
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| 05:03.03 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 05:03.04 | helix | haha |
| 05:03.35 | lazarus | peterS: great, now that theme sing is in my head |
| 05:03.52 | peterS | lazarus: bad for you. I am too young to have any idea what that theme sounded like |
| 05:03.59 | helix | yay |
| 05:04.01 | peterS | lazarus: and don't start singing it to remind me, please |
| 05:04.19 | fusQuanto | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.29 | dondelelcaro | fusQuanto: your favorite backpack. |
| 05:04.40 | dondelelcaro | fusQuanto: I tend to like Mountain Smith, but that's just me. |
| 05:04.54 | lazarus | fusQuanto: what dondelelcaro (don't get it rpped off by using something that looks like one) |
| 05:05.05 | peterS | kingsley: they've been selling fax modems for 15 years now. I have no idea what percentage of buyers actually use the fax capabilities, though |
| 05:05.10 | lazarus | said |
| 05:05.12 | peterS | kingsley: I suspect a rather low percentage.. |
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| 05:05.13 | fusQuanto | mountain smith his the brand? |
| 05:05.29 | dondelelcaro | fusQuanto: yes. Mountain Smith makes really nice backpacks. |
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| 05:05.49 | lazarus | peterS: popularity-contest and the megetty-fax pacakge maybe? |
| 05:05.56 | peterS | lazarus: heh |
| 05:06.01 | dondelelcaro | fusQuanto: but regardless, get yourself a sleeve for your laptop, or make one, and then slip the laptop into your favorite backpack as if it were a book. |
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| 05:06.35 | fusQuanto | dondelelcaro: thats exactly waht i want to do, i was looking for a thin sleeve that is elasticky? and has no handles, just a zipper. is that what you have? |
| 05:06.42 | kingsley | peterS: For what it's worth, I'm quite pleased with having my faxes and voice mails appear in my email as postscript and wav file attachments, respectively. |
| 05:06.45 | dondelelcaro | fusQuanto: FE, http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/don_lab/015_lab_desk_10232003.jpg the laptop here is sitting on its sleeve. |
| 05:07.15 | peterS | kingsley: yeah, I'm sure that's slick enough. but there has been windows software to do similar things, bundled with fax modems, for quite some time. and I don't hear of many people using it |
| 05:07.26 | dondelelcaro | fusQuanto: I just have a envelope with courderoy outside and a quilted velvet inside. |
| 05:07.32 | kingsley | peterS: Using a fax modem saves paper and deskspace and makes it easy to forward faxes via email to other people. |
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| 05:08.31 | kingsley | peterS: And, comparing voice mail on my desktop box to an answering machine is like comparing a VCR to a Tivo. |
| 05:09.18 | peterS | kingsley: you don't have to sell me on whether it's a neat idea. you have to sell to the market which you are wondering about the existence of |
| 05:09.57 | kingsley | peterS: Good point. |
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| 05:10.31 | Angligash | long time since i compile a kernel (2.4.26), this would do it right? make dep; make clean; make; make bzImage; make install; make modules; make modules_install; |
| 05:10.38 | fusQuanto | dondelelcaro: did you make that or what? |
| 05:10.41 | dondelelcaro | Angligash: use kernel-package. |
| 05:10.46 | fusQuanto | dondelelcaro: what laptop is that |
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| 05:11.21 | beth | Angligash: I prefer make dep && make clean && make modules && make modules_install && make bzImage ... wait, no I don't, I prefer make-kpkg :) |
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| 05:11.26 | dondelelcaro | fusQuanto: That's a powerbook g4 400 MHz... and my mother was nice enough to sew it for me... [even though I'm capable of making it myself.] |
| 05:11.26 | beth | Angligash: /msg dpkg kp |
| 05:11.28 | lazarus | Angligash: /msg dkpg kp |
| 05:11.40 | beth | no! /msg dpkg kp! |
| 05:11.49 | beth | don't listen to lazarus, he's trying to steer you wrong |
| 05:12.02 | dondelelcaro | heh. |
| 05:12.09 | fusQuanto | dondelelcaro: lucky |
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| 05:12.21 | lazarus | beth is just upset that she paid too muchn for those kernel failures earlier |
| 05:12.31 | kingsley | !tell kp |
| 05:12.32 | beth | they were free, I got a *great* deal |
| 05:12.42 | lazarus | kingsley: /msg dpkg kp |
| 05:12.46 | lazarus | kingsley: .. or .. |
| 05:12.50 | lazarus | !kp |
| 05:12.51 | dpkg | hmm... kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 05:13.20 | kingsley | lazarus: Very good. |
| 05:13.28 | dondelelcaro | beth: dunno... in order for kernel failures to be a great deal, they'd have to cost negative money. |
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| 05:13.44 | beth | dondelelcaro: haven't you heard the saying, "if it's free, take two"? |
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| 05:13.49 | beth | well, lazarus was offering... |
| 05:13.53 | carrett | hey, can kaffe give me a browser x-java-vm plugin? |
| 05:13.56 | lazarus | i had extras :) |
| 05:14.20 | dondelelcaro | beth: yes, these are the same people who say "Never look a gift horse in the mouth". They obviously forgot about Troy. |
| 05:14.42 | beth | the soldiers weren't hiding in the mouth. Your analogy is silly. |
| 05:14.45 | kingsley | carrett: When I played with kaffe a few weeks ago, if was missing a lot of functionality, most notably, "swing". |
| 05:14.46 | lazarus | would the trojan horses mouth have shown who was inside? |
| 05:15.05 | carrett | kingsley: so the best bet is still blackdown or the like? |
| 05:15.11 | xine | i installed a minimal install debian, and now i want to use apt-get to install packages. what do i have to setup so it uses the internet as it's source |
| 05:15.13 | kingsley | s/if/it/ |
| 05:15.13 | dondelelcaro | lazarus: dunno, but the foul odor eminating from inside should have been a clue... |
| 05:15.25 | lazarus | xine: trry #knoppix |
| 05:15.38 | xine | lazarus i'm using debian not knoppix! |
| 05:15.43 | kingsley | carrett: As of a few weeks ago, yes. I used Sun's j2re. |
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| 05:15.50 | lazarus | roooooooooooooooooot |
| 05:16.04 | xine | lazarus actually i am using knoppix, but i'm not refering to that system |
| 05:16.04 | lazarus | xine: don't lie to us |
| 05:16.06 | lazarus | 05:15 -!- xine [~knoppix@user29.net216.nj.sprint-hsd.net] |
| 05:16.06 | lazarus | 05:15 -!- ircname : Knoppix User |
| 05:16.11 | xine | i'm not lieing |
| 05:16.12 | kingsley | xine: Do you have apt-get? |
| 05:16.18 | xine | your taking informating and assuming |
| 05:16.23 | xine | yea |
| 05:16.26 | carrett | kingsley: i'm sure not much has changed in a coupla weeks...are there debs for the sun j2re? a sources.list maybe? |
| 05:16.27 | lazarus | 05:15 <xine> lazarus i'm using debian not knoppix! |
| 05:16.34 | xine | yea |
| 05:16.37 | xine | correct, |
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| 05:16.47 | xine | i'm installing debian on a system next to me |
| 05:16.59 | carrett | pwned |
| 05:17.02 | programmer90 | Hy, i just think i got a bad download of rox filer, is it posible for |
| 05:17.08 | programmer90 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.11 | kingsley | carrett: No debs that I know of. I downloaded it from java.sun.com. |
| 05:17.29 | carrett | kingsley: k |
| 05:17.45 | programmer90 | and do i have to have any other depndencies? |
| 05:18.11 | helix | programmer90: depends where you got it from |
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| 05:18.29 | programmer90 | helix: tucows as tgz |
| 05:18.46 | kingsley | carrett: And, if I recall correctly, more than one file had to be in the same directory as "ouji.so" (sp?) file for java to work. |
| 05:18.52 | helix | programmer90: so it's probably fine. |
| 05:19.02 | helix | but there may be other dependencies |
| 05:19.02 | programmer90 | ik |
| 05:19.07 | programmer90 | heh |
| 05:19.15 | peterS | programmer90: if it's tgz, you can verify that you got a whole file, with 'gzip -t filename.tgz' |
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| 05:19.31 | programmer90 | k |
| 05:19.42 | programmer90 | i need to subscribe to linux journal, eh |
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| 05:24.43 | jcole | buzzphrase of the night: terminate stay resident |
| 05:24.54 | lazarus | jcole: what's that? |
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| 05:25.27 | jcole | lazarus: hey dude, wrong window |
| 05:25.43 | jcole | lazarus: god i'm tired |
| 05:25.53 | lazarus | oh this hurts |
| 05:25.56 | jcole | lazarus: are you like always here? |
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| 05:26.20 | lazarus | 27kb/s per apt get :( |
| 05:26.26 | programmer90 | Is linux journal a good magazine? i like reading OS news and i love reading reviews and junk like that |
| 05:26.28 | jcole | haha |
| 05:26.29 | lazarus | and this is frfom a host on the local lan :((( |
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| 05:26.46 | jcole | linux journal here |
| 05:26.47 | lazarus | security upgrrades, Need to get 10.7MB of archives. After unpacking 80.9kB will be used. |
| 05:26.49 | sigjuice | where's the sarge jdk packages? |
| 05:26.56 | kingsley | lazarus: TSR is a three letter acronym for small DOS programs that stay in memory, even if they're temporarily inactive. |
| 05:27.11 | lazarus | kingsley: um, as in msdos? |
| 05:27.18 | kingsley | lazarus: That's the one. |
| 05:27.29 | lazarus | kingsley: daemons then? |
| 05:27.37 | jcole | kingsley: omg, you remember, remember "after dark for dos" ? |
| 05:27.38 | peterS | lazarus: how this is on-topic for #debian, none of us have figured out yet. so it's not just you. (: |
| 05:27.57 | jcole | lazarus: tsr's hooked into an interrupt |
| 05:28.00 | kingsley | lazarus: Yes, I suppose you could think of daemons as TSRs on 'roids. |
| 05:28.00 | lazarus | peterS: yeah, i'm still looking for he connection, maybe some daemon? ;) |
| 05:28.08 | peterS | dunno |
| 05:28.09 | tcsetattr | closest thing to a daemon you can get in an "operating system" that doesn't provide multi-tasking |
| 05:28.32 | lazarus | kingsley: or the ms version is a daemon on hemmorrhoids? :) |
| 05:28.33 | kingsley | lazarus: What tcsetattr said. |
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| 05:29.57 | kingsley | lazarus: One thing that I've learned from my 8,000 years of using DOS is that, much like a 'roid, MS always comes back with a vengeance. |
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| 05:30.19 | programmer90 | kingsley: dud your old |
| 05:30.48 | lazarus | programmer90: i think he's talking about "it felt that long" :) |
| 05:30.48 | helix | hm, well one word is right in that sentence |
| 05:30.48 | somiaj | programmer90: na, just experiences time different, for DOS hasn't been around that long...(: |
| 05:30.51 | jcole | out of curiousity, does any modern software "hook" into interrupts anymore? or is it still only to the mouse, keyboard, monitor, etc. |
| 05:31.18 | lazarus | irqs? |
| 05:31.21 | jcole | scsi cards, sond cards |
| 05:31.21 | kingsley | programmer90: I bought my computer from Abraham Lincoln. |
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| 05:31.26 | jcole | lazarus: ya |
| 05:31.34 | peterS | somiaj: it hasn't? |
| 05:31.41 | jcole | irq == interrupt request |
| 05:31.43 | somiaj | peterS: not by my watch...... |
| 05:31.47 | tcsetattr | cat /proc/interrupts and you'll see |
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| 05:31.54 | peterS | somiaj: and here I thought the archeologists had been digging up sumerian tablets that said "dir/w" on them |
| 05:31.56 | jcole | tcsetattr: heh |
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| 05:32.52 | somiaj | peterS: right, back in the day punch cards had to be chisled from granit |
| 05:32.58 | peterS | somiaj: and wasn't there that scrap of papyrus they found in a tomb somewhere that said "Abort, Retry, Fail?" |
| 05:32.58 | tcsetattr | the interrupts in /proc/interrupts are the same thing that you can access directly in DOS. It's just that in Linux you don't access them directly unless you are writing kernel code, and even then you do it through kernel API instead of raw manipulation of the interrupt table |
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| 05:33.41 | kingsley | Bye for now. |
| 05:33.51 | jcole | later kingsley |
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| 05:36.09 | jcole | tcsetattr: all hardware here... so is there any advantage of plugging software into interrupts these days? |
| 05:36.22 | tcsetattr | I don't know what you mean by that. |
| 05:36.48 | somiaj | jcole: when did they every give softwear an irq? |
| 05:37.00 | tcsetattr | for example, on this machine, the 8139too module is software that is "plugged in" to interrupts 10 and 11 |
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| 05:38.09 | jcole | tcsetattr & somiaj: in dos days you could run apps simultaneously by hooking them into interrupts, and switch between them with specified key combos |
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| 05:38.23 | lokemoney | how do i change the font in linux? |
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| 05:38.43 | ledestin | ahh, what a question |
| 05:38.49 | somiaj | lokemoney: what font are you wanting to change? |
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| 05:39.03 | lokemoney | somiaj all of it, i think |
| 05:39.13 | somiaj | lokemoney: just fonts in X? |
| 05:39.14 | tcsetattr | and these days the keyboard interrupt is handled by the kernel keyboard driver, which routes the keypress to the appropriate /dev/tty[0-9] device and translates it to ASCII (unless raw mode is requested) so you'd be crazy to mess with that interrupt in userspace |
| 05:39.20 | jcole | i remember in dos days i had a scrollback program and a screensaver called "after dark" |
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| 05:39.39 | lokemoney | i just changed the resoltuion to 1600x1200 and the font is tiny |
| 05:39.55 | jcole | lokemoney: sounds like gnome or kde |
| 05:40.10 | lokemoney | flux |
| 05:40.11 | jcole | lokemoney: gnome or kde? |
| 05:40.16 | lokemoney | fluxbox |
| 05:40.25 | somiaj | lokemoney: ahh, you'll want to use 100dpi fonts instead of 75dpi fonts....you can change the order they are listed in your XF86Config-4, or tell your ?dm or startx to use the 100dpi instead |
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| 05:40.59 | somiaj | lokemoney: if you use startx, 'startx -- -dpi 100' |
| 05:41.20 | jm_ | -dpi switch for X server had absolutely zero effect when I was testing it ;) |
| 05:41.51 | lazarus | jm_: with -- in front of it? |
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| 05:42.02 | lokemoney | somiaj its that simple |
| 05:42.12 | jm_ | lazarus: I edited xserverrc file |
| 05:42.31 | lokemoney | somiaj but i dont use startx |
| 05:42.47 | lazarus | Fetched 10.7MB in 6m54s (25.8kB/s) |
| 05:42.49 | OUTsider | hmmmm, no debian package for lineakconfig ? |
| 05:42.52 | lazarus | annoying on a lan |
| 05:42.54 | lokemoney | somiaj so i need to edit XF86Config-4 |
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| 05:43.01 | jm_ | that's why he told you to change it in ?dm startup file for X server |
| 05:43.04 | OUTsider | dpkg: lineakconfig |
| 05:43.04 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, OUTsider |
| 05:43.06 | lazarus | OUTsider: what is it? |
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| 05:43.28 | jaxxan | ok i'm disgusted )= |
| 05:43.30 | OUTsider | lazarus: lineak.sf.net, used for multimediakeyboards |
| 05:43.32 | numist | ignore me and dpkg, I want to test something quick-like |
| 05:43.37 | numist | !u |
| 05:43.37 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 |
| 05:43.44 | Penix | numist: /msg dpkg |
| 05:43.47 | jaxxan | please tell me there's a better audio ripper than kaudiocreator... please please please please please |
| 05:43.48 | lazarus | numist: /msg the bot |
| 05:43.53 | numist | Penix: it doesnt work in msg |
| 05:43.57 | numist | lazarus: ^ |
| 05:43.58 | jm_ | jaxxan: abcde |
| 05:44.00 | Penix | numist: #debian-bots then |
| 05:44.00 | OUTsider | jaxxan: there is, happy now ? |
| 05:44.09 | lazarus | numist: /msg dpkg u |
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| 05:44.12 | numist | wow, it exists... |
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| 05:44.41 | jaxxan | k, trying abcde |
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| 05:45.02 | somiaj | jm_: switches the fonts fine for me |
| 05:45.14 | eclipsex | hello |
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| 05:47.56 | eclipsex | hello |
| 05:47.59 | Jambon | hello. does anyone here have charter high-speed internet by chance? |
| 05:48.04 | eclipsex | ya |
| 05:48.06 | eclipsex | it sux |
| 05:48.14 | eclipsex | jambon i do |
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| 05:48.39 | Jambon | why do you say it sux? i'm doin fine with the 3mb service so far. at least in windows. |
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| 05:48.52 | eclipsex | ya well windows is even worse |
| 05:49.03 | zrg | JAH SHALL DIE! I ALONE AM BEST!!!!!! |
| 05:49.07 | dondelelcaro | zrg: ? |
| 05:49.15 | zrg | yep |
| 05:49.15 | eclipsex | if u check your actual download upload u have less than 1mb connection |
| 05:49.17 | peterS | zrg: ummm. |
| 05:49.25 | dondelelcaro | !tell eclipsex about u |
| 05:49.25 | eclipsex | i got the 2meg and it is less than 1 |
| 05:49.26 | programmer90 | i think im going to install MDK for no apparent reason |
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| 05:50.20 | Jambon | oh. they screwed us that way at first. they "accidentally" gave us the 384kb connection. i complained and now i get dl speeds of 250KB+ |
| 05:50.32 | somiaj | hmm, what is the debian way to change the timezone your in, just run 'tzconfig' |
| 05:50.36 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: yes.. |
| 05:50.38 | eclipsex | where do you live |
| 05:50.44 | Jambon | wisconsin |
| 05:50.50 | eclipsex | ic |
| 05:50.53 | peterS | somiaj: yeah. although nothing too wrong with 'echo US/Central > /etc/timezone' either (: |
| 05:50.54 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: alternatively, you can set TZ if you've got a multiple user system... |
| 05:51.11 | dondelelcaro | peterS: well, ignoring the fact that US/Central is probably not exactly what you want... |
| 05:51.19 | peterS | dondelelcaro: sure it's what *I* want |
| 05:51.30 | mdh | peterS: requires root access (unless your sysadmin is dumb ;) |
| 05:51.41 | dondelelcaro | peterS: not America/Your_City? |
| 05:51.42 | peterS | mdh: indeed it does. most answers on #debian do |
| 05:51.51 | somiaj | peterS: ahh, that's the file, I changed the link /etc/localtime but it reset on me |
| 05:51.52 | jaxxan | abcde not graphical, but very kewl nonetheless |
| 05:51.53 | programmer90 | i bet i have the record number of how many distros i have on one hard drive |
| 05:51.59 | Jambon | so i guess my problem is that i have no clue where to start to get the connection to work. i got my previous DSL connection to work. but when we switched we lost the linux connection. now only windows works. |
| 05:52.06 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: yea, its US/TimeZone (for us timezones) |
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| 05:52.24 | peterS | somiaj: come to think of it, I don't know why both files exist, or whether you're supposed to change them both, or what |
| 05:52.27 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: the advantage of using America/Your_City is that it gets the places that don't do DST right. |
| 05:52.28 | mdh | peterS: but changing ones timezone doesn't need root access. just set $TZ |
| 05:52.33 | peterS | somiaj: just use tzconfig, let it handle it (: |
| 05:52.45 | eclipsex | jambon o |
| 05:52.46 | peterS | mdh: yes, I know. I assumed he meant the system TZ |
| 05:52.58 | eclipsex | jambon why is that ... arent they on the same router |
| 05:52.59 | peterS | mdh: you know - the one that appears in your apache logs, type of thing |
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| 05:53.16 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: ahh, I see, (just checked out the timezones under that list) |
| 05:53.20 | tcsetattr | dondelelcaro, I'm in wone of those places and I use US/East-Indiana that's what it's there for |
| 05:53.40 | somiaj | peterS: yea, its quite nice, though I did find it didn't have a manpage |
| 05:53.43 | tcsetattr | s/wone/one/ |
| 05:53.58 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: yes, but America/Your_City is pretty easy... |
| 05:54.32 | Jambon | eclipsex: all i know is that i got a new cable modem when we switch from centurytel DSL to Charter High speed. the internet connection is gone in linux, and i'm not sure where to start. DHCP? |
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| 05:54.34 | peterS | somiaj: check the BTS, file a bug against libc6. lack of manpage is a bug. |
| 05:54.35 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: your closest major city, of course... |
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| 05:54.55 | tcsetattr | dondelelcaro, the number of cities is greater than the number of timezones even if you count the DST differences separately. |
| 05:55.16 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: ahh yea, there is one, only 6 hour drive (9 in the winter) away that would work...(: |
| 05:55.19 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: sure. |
| 05:55.21 | lokemoney | somiaj hey i checked my Config-4 file and 100 is before 75 |
| 05:55.29 | eclipsex | jambon are you familiar with pump |
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| 05:55.31 | eclipsex | ??? |
| 05:55.31 | somiaj | lokemoney: what do you use to startx |
| 05:55.33 | lokemoney | somiaj should i increase it, cause my font is two small? |
| 05:55.36 | tcsetattr | America/Indianapolis is an approximation; US/East-Indiana is exactly right (they just happen to have the same meaning) |
| 05:55.39 | lokemoney | gdm |
| 05:55.45 | somiaj | lokemoney: na, 100dpi and 75dpi are your too options |
| 05:55.54 | eclipsex | jambon apt-get install pump |
| 05:55.59 | lokemoney | somiaj its too small though |
| 05:56.03 | programmer90 | IM MENTALLY CHALLENGED.................... |
| 05:56.11 | eclipsex | jambon then type pump |
| 05:56.15 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: meh? |
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| 05:56.19 | eclipsex | if you have a netinterface it will come up |
| 05:56.23 | chimun | how can i kill a zombie process? |
| 05:56.27 | chimun | without rebooting... |
| 05:56.32 | somiaj | lokemoney: go check out the gdm config file and see if its set to using 100dpi or 75dpi (to check if this works you could stop gdm and run startx -- -dpi 100) before you go modify the gdm settings |
| 05:56.33 | peterS | chimun: kill its parent |
| 05:56.45 | chimun | peterS how can i find out what its parent is? |
| 05:56.45 | Jambon | eclipsex: but w/o internet connection where will i get it? bring it in on floppy? |
| 05:56.48 | peterS | chimun: every zombie only exists because it has a parent that is ignoring it. find the parent, and kill that, and your zombie will disappear |
| 05:56.50 | wuyang | does anyone know if linux init=/bin/bash will work on grub? |
| 05:57.01 | eclipsex | jambon |
| 05:57.03 | dondelelcaro | tcsetattr: I personally like the America/City because I often don't know if the city I happen to find myself in actually does DST or something... but obviously they both work. |
| 05:57.12 | peterS | chimun: the parent is the third column in 'ps -f' output |
| 05:57.22 | peterS | chimun: just after username and PID |
| 05:57.29 | eclipsex | jambon no i would actually burn an iso and use that |
| 05:57.35 | lokemoney | somiaj i cant find any dpi info in the gdm.conf |
| 05:57.35 | chimun | peterS thanks ;) |
| 05:57.41 | peterS | wuyang: can't think why it wouldn't |
| 05:57.41 | eclipsex | jambon burn the iso then type base-config |
| 05:57.52 | eclipsex | jambon with the disk in the tray |
| 05:57.59 | programmer90 | IM MENTALLY CHALLENGED, I THINK MY DOG IS TRYING TO>>>> |
| 05:58.03 | eclipsex | jambon go throught the thing scan the disk |
| 05:58.03 | wuyang | thanx peterS, i need to recover a root assword |
| 05:58.08 | dondelelcaro | programmer90: please stop typing in caps. |
| 05:58.10 | peterS | programmer90: ummm. can you not do that in here? thanks |
| 05:58.16 | programmer90 | sorry |
| 05:58.39 | mdh | s/do that/troll/ |
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| 05:58.50 | eclipsex | jambon /etc/apt/sources.list make it so that everythng is commented except for the cd |
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| 05:59.01 | somiaj | could someone check to see if they have a man page for tzconfig on sid (just want to double check before filing a bug) |
| 05:59.21 | peterS | somiaj: I don't |
| 05:59.25 | lazarus | txconfig: nothing appropriate. |
| 05:59.30 | peterS | somiaj: but check bugs.debian.org/libc6 to see if it's been reported before |
| 05:59.32 | somiaj | lokemoney: hmm, I don't know if there is a way to get bigger than 100dpi fonts, you could tell fluxbox to use biger font sizes... |
| 05:59.38 | somiaj | peterS: doing that |
| 05:59.40 | lokemoney | somiaj how? |
| 05:59.53 | peterS | lokemoney: he means type "man tzconfig" and see if anything comes up |
| 05:59.57 | peterS | lokemoney: but it won't |
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| 06:00.04 | Jambon | eclipsex: sorry, but which iso? the woody one? i don't have an RW drive so if i can't i'd rather use floppy if possible. |
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| 06:00.29 | eclipsex | jambon u dont have a cd drive??? |
| 06:00.33 | lokemoney | peterS no man |
| 06:00.34 | wuyang | so if i sit down and boot the system with init=/bin/bash i should in theory gaining root actcess |
| 06:00.34 | eclipsex | jambon go get a new computer |
| 06:00.35 | wuyang | ? |
| 06:00.37 | eclipsex | jambon now |
| 06:00.42 | peterS | lokemoney: right. |
| 06:00.53 | lokemoney | so how can i make by fonts bigger? |
| 06:00.59 | peterS | wuyang: yes. your root filesystem will be read-only, though |
| 06:01.01 | lokemoney | the fonts are killing me |
| 06:01.03 | programmer90 | Whats the least amount of memory youve ever used running X? Me = 32 megs, running IceWm, AbiWord, Dillo and Syphleed |
| 06:01.07 | peterS | wuyang: so you'll want to type "mount -o remount,rw /" |
| 06:01.17 | peterS | wuyang: as well as perhaps "mount /proc" so other stuff works better |
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| 06:01.36 | Jambon | eclipsex: no. i have a cd burner, only it's cd-r not rw. |
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| 06:02.06 | eclipsex | jambon o |
| 06:02.22 | wuyang | hmmm |
| 06:02.30 | eclipsex | jambon why dont you have cd rw they cost 20 doloars |
| 06:02.38 | programmer90 | aint it a shame you cant trim that down, what does the xserver use by itself? I want to try out tinyx, whats the difference between it and the normal x? |
| 06:02.44 | somiaj | peterS: yup finaly found one from a year and a half back....though looks like tzconfig is old and tzsetup is the new program to use.... |
| 06:02.53 | wuyang | i really only need to find the password/ |
| 06:02.55 | peterS | programmer90: I've used a machine with X in 1994 that had, I think, 8 MB. |
| 06:03.04 | programmer90 | dang |
| 06:03.06 | eclipsex | jambon besides all you need to do is burn the iso |
| 06:03.07 | peterS | programmer90: very fancy machine, for its day |
| 06:03.12 | programmer90 | how? heh |
| 06:03.15 | eclipsex | jambon and u said u have a burner so you are fine |
| 06:03.18 | peterS | somiaj: could be |
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| 06:03.31 | peterS | somiaj: you mean tzselect? I don't have tzsetup |
| 06:03.32 | programmer90 | X takes up like 16 megs by itself it seems... |
| 06:03.38 | beth | it wasn't X, but I have run linux on a 386 with 4 MB ram |
| 06:03.45 | tcsetattr | I ran X in 4 megs. It swapped for like 2 minutes every time you moved the m ouse and good luck starting any programs on it. |
| 06:04.03 | programmer90 | tinyx seems promising |
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| 06:04.13 | somiaj | peterS: its called tzsetup on my machine, and there is a Bug to get rid of tzconfig if possible cause tzsetup does the same functionality (just a curses/dialog enviorment) |
| 06:04.18 | Jambon | eclipsex: if i'm looking at it right pump is only 30 KB. so it could fit on a floppy. is the no floppy thing simply a precaution? |
| 06:04.27 | tcsetattr | after the upgrade to 8 megs it became possible to start twm and a few xterms, which is all X is really good for :) |
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| 06:04.29 | peterS | somiaj: what does "dpkg -S tzsetup" say? |
| 06:04.29 | jaxxan | i never heard of an ogg file until i put linux on my laptop |
| 06:04.29 | wuyang | thank you again peterS, g'nite all |
| 06:04.30 | beth | programmer90: I always wanted to try tinyx |
| 06:04.40 | jaxxan | is it easy to convert an ogg file to mp3 ? |
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| 06:04.46 | beth | no |
| 06:04.57 | beth | they encode different types of data. You have to pick one or the other |
| 06:05.00 | eclipsex | jambon just get the damn thing on your computer and get a damn cd rw too |
| 06:05.02 | debian | ass-backward |
| 06:05.07 | peterS | somiaj: basically I'm wondering why you have it and I do not |
| 06:05.07 | beth | er, different parts of the data |
| 06:05.13 | programmer90 | if tinyx has no differences between normal x, why the heck waste memory? |
| 06:05.13 | somiaj | peterS: ahh, its part of base-config (guess the bug was uninformed) |
| 06:05.17 | jaxxan | ahh |
| 06:05.29 | beth | I'm sure htere are differences, programmer90 |
| 06:05.30 | jaxxan | are ogg files better ? |
| 06:05.36 | peterS | somiaj: ahhh, that explains it. I removed base-config from my machine once it was set up |
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| 06:05.53 | peterS | programmer90: it does in fact have fewer features |
| 06:05.53 | beth | jaxxan: yes, they give better quality at lower file sizes, and are unencumbered by patents |
| 06:06.09 | somiaj | peterS: Yea, I remove things like that usually, just haven't gotten around to it....usually I'm cleaning up other junk I was testing out... |
| 06:06.09 | beth | jaxxan: technically mp3 encoders are illegal unless you pay royalties to the right people |
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| 06:06.26 | peterS | somiaj: do you still have tasksel, too, then? (: |
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| 06:06.53 | somiaj | peterS: Nope, I killed that one! |
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| 06:07.07 | somiaj | or better yet, --purged it |
| 06:07.08 | peterS | somiaj: and yet you let base-config live.. (: |
| 06:07.11 | Jambon | eclipsex: well it's on my damn computer now. |
| 06:07.14 | jaxxan | can you create a normal audio cd from an ogg file ? |
| 06:07.18 | somiaj | peterS: I think it was hiding |
| 06:07.19 | peterS | somiaj: you probably still have modconf, too |
| 06:07.24 | programmer90 | What type of fewer features? |
| 06:07.33 | somiaj | no modconf |
| 06:07.34 | eclipsex | jambon that is what i like to hear ;) |
| 06:07.39 | programmer90 | what does X actually offer by itself? |
| 06:07.50 | jaxxan | programmer90: a GUI |
| 06:07.55 | lokemoney | somiaj any ideas as to how to change my font and make it bigger? |
| 06:07.58 | peterS | programmer90: it would be rather difficult to explain to someone like you, I think, even if I knew exactly which features were involved |
| 06:08.03 | eclipsex | jambon what did it do? |
| 06:08.09 | somiaj | lokemoney: did you try startx -- -dpi 100 and see if that made it bigger |
| 06:08.20 | mdh | jaxxan: of course. check out "burn" and "mp3burn" pkgs |
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| 06:08.25 | somiaj | lokemoney: if not, you'll probably have to modify a fluxbox theme to use bigger fonts |
| 06:08.26 | programmer90 | PeterS: What exactly does "someone like you" supposed to mean? : ) |
| 06:08.34 | lokemoney | somiaj how do i stop x |
| 06:08.39 | jaxxan | lokemoney: if you're using kdm you can specify the dpi |
| 06:08.42 | Jambon | eclipsex: so now all i have to do is get damn pump from damn windows to the damn linux HD and use some damn means of getting it damn installed. Right? |
| 06:08.50 | lokemoney | jaxxan im useing gdm |
| 06:08.59 | mdh | Jambon: damn straight |
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| 06:09.01 | eclipsex | jambon damn right |
| 06:09.02 | somiaj | lokemoney: you could quit fluxbox, and when you get to the gdm login screen, hit ctrl-alt-f1, then login, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 06:09.12 | peterS | programmer90: let me put it this way. I could give you answers, and it would sound much like a biochemist trying to tell me what sequence of amino acids his newly discovered protein used. I would get nothing useful out of it |
| 06:09.22 | lokemoney | somiaj ok |
| 06:09.22 | jaxxan | lokemoney: i dont use gdm so i couldn't tell ya anthing about it |
| 06:09.29 | programmer90 | well ok heh |
| 06:09.31 | somiaj | lokemoney: if that works |
| 06:09.48 | somiaj | lokemoney: you'll have to modify your gdm config to tell it to launch xservers with that option |
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| 06:09.58 | programmer90 | So it wouldnt matter much? |
| 06:10.23 | Jambon | mkay. let's say that works. what next (I have to restart to get to linux so i'm trying to gather all info at one time) |
| 06:10.29 | peterS | programmer90: start with 3D graphics |
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| 06:10.56 | programmer90 | who cares about em |
| 06:11.48 | eclipsex | jambon the interface will be up so you will be done |
| 06:11.54 | Jambon | oh |
| 06:11.55 | Jambon | cool |
| 06:12.07 | eclipsex | jambon you are on a network |
| 06:12.10 | eclipsex | right |
| 06:12.19 | Jambon | it's a home computer |
| 06:12.27 | eclipsex | not on dialup |
| 06:12.37 | eclipsex | on like cat5 running out of the back of it |
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| 06:12.50 | Jambon | no. cable modem. always on |
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| 06:13.03 | eclipsex | that is a cat5 |
| 06:13.05 | Jambon | oh |
| 06:13.08 | programmer90 | 3d graphics are a waste of time IMO, games take your mind off importANT STUFF |
| 06:13.14 | eclipsex | between the cable modem and the comp |
| 06:13.22 | eclipsex | is a cat5 cable |
| 06:13.25 | eclipsex | ya |
| 06:13.27 | eclipsex | try that |
| 06:13.30 | eclipsex | i think it will work |
| 06:13.39 | somiaj | programmer90: 3D graphics can be used for more than gaming |
| 06:13.47 | Jambon | try that as in try what? |
| 06:14.01 | eclipsex | try pump |
| 06:14.04 | eclipsex | ;) |
| 06:14.07 | Jambon | oh |
| 06:14.09 | Jambon | ok |
| 06:14.10 | peterS | I wonder what caps lock does in the games programmer90 plays |
| 06:14.13 | jaxxan | seems slower to make an ogg file than what i'm used to making mp3s |
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| 06:14.25 | Jambon | lemme see if this workee.... |
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| 06:15.13 | programmer90 | 3D just sux! |
| 06:15.52 | somiaj | programmer90: I tend to be happy I'm not stuck in 2D |
| 06:16.13 | jaxxan | how come ogg files are legal and mp3s aren't ? |
| 06:16.19 | zergouille_ | do you know a cute gettext po file creator for gnome ? |
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| 06:16.46 | NForcer_de | illegal are only files out of illegal sources... ripping a cd to ogg and sharing over the internet is still illegal... |
| 06:16.59 | somiaj | jaxxan: do some reasearch, mp3's have pattents up the wazooie on them |
| 06:17.00 | programmer90 | illeagal stuff is fun |
| 06:17.09 | jaxxan | k |
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| 06:18.03 | somiaj | jaxxan: basically its not legal to encode mp3's unless you pay the 'owner' of that file type when you do it... |
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| 06:19.30 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: not in the US, it's not. |
| 06:19.37 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: read the Betamax case. |
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| 06:19.50 | programmer90 | Is illegal stuff against the law? |
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| 06:20.35 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: ahh, thanks |
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| 06:21.13 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: now, if you're talking about the patents, distributing and/or selling software that uses it might be illegal... |
| 06:21.26 | programmer90 | ive always wanted to do illeagal junk but i think its againt the law so im hesitant |
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| 06:22.30 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: ahh I just rember some issue with lame, I knew they couldn't distrubite binarys, but I thought it was still illegal to compile the code for personal use (ie to encode mp3's) |
| 06:23.33 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: nope... at least, I've never seen it argued that private use and manufacture of patented materials was illegal. |
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| 06:24.12 | dondelelcaro | somiaj: although, it might be different outside of the US. I can't speak for all jurisdictions of course... |
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| 06:24.48 | somiaj | dondelelcaro: ahh, thanks for the info |
| 06:25.04 | Cor-Bob | has anyone ever used an AOpen pcmcia card to install debian on a laptop? |
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| 06:25.28 | the_g0d | hi |
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| 06:25.55 | the_g0d | i have a problem with an debian unstable |
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| 06:26.08 | the_g0d | the server is blocking from 15 to 15 minutes |
| 06:26.21 | dondelelcaro | the_g0d: and what does dmesg report? |
| 06:27.00 | the_g0d | nothing |
| 06:27.17 | dondelelcaro | the_g0d: uh, I highly doubt it. dmesg |less; and look through it. |
| 06:27.37 | dondelelcaro | the_g0d: if it's stopping responding for 10-15 minutes, it's most likely because you've got some sort of hardware failure. |
| 06:27.47 | the_g0d | 100% no |
| 06:27.51 | the_g0d | i had slackware |
| 06:27.54 | the_g0d | with 44 days uptime |
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| 06:28.09 | dondelelcaro | the_g0d: that doesn't prove anything whatsoever. |
| 06:28.34 | Cor-Bob | it shows that for 44 days the hardware was fine... |
| 06:28.34 | dondelelcaro | the_g0d: the machine locking is purely a function of the kernel, and has little to nothing to do with the distribution that you're running. |
| 06:28.54 | dondelelcaro | Cor-Bob: it may not even demonstrate that... |
| 06:28.56 | the_g0d | and in 10 h the hw is broken ? |
| 06:29.08 | peterS | dondelelcaro: well, except insofar as distribution kernels are patched for bugs or features |
| 06:29.13 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yerp. |
| 06:29.24 | peterS | dondelelcaro: but neither debian nor slackware patches kernels very far |
| 06:29.33 | dondelelcaro | the_g0d: which kernel are you running? |
| 06:29.42 | the_g0d | 2.6.6 at this momemment |
| 06:29.51 | dondelelcaro | the_g0d: uh huh. And you built it yourself I presume? |
| 06:29.59 | the_g0d | yes |
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| 06:30.17 | lokemoney | how do i set x not to start on boot? |
| 06:30.27 | dondelelcaro | the_g0d: well, figure out what you've done differently with the 2.6.6 kernel than the kernel you had running on slackware. That's where your problem lies. |
| 06:30.35 | lokemoney | i did telinit 2 but it still starts x |
| 06:30.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell lokemoney about nodm |
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| 06:30.55 | peterS | dondelelcaro: custom kernel, different version, lockup! surprise! |
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| 06:31.12 | the_g0d | ok this is one problem |
| 06:31.13 | the_g0d | i have another server |
| 06:31.25 | peterS | the_g0d: yeah, I guess having another server is a problem |
| 06:31.32 | the_g0d | it works perfect when the network connection is up & running |
| 06:31.39 | the_g0d | no problem... |
| 06:31.45 | the_g0d | when the network connection is down |
| 06:31.56 | the_g0d | the server is responding verry hard |
| 06:32.04 | zinx | man.. how stable is sarge these days? i'm running sid on my workstation (don't worry, i deal with it), but i'm still on woody for my servers and such -- but it's starting to show its age with stuff like iproute (need updated tc for 2.4.x kernels, which i've got from backports.org; stuff like that), so i'm thinking about upgrading to sarge |
| 06:32.07 | lokemoney | how can i make the fonts bigger in fluxbox? |
| 06:32.17 | peterS | the_g0d: something on that server is depending on DNS lookups, I bet |
| 06:32.24 | the_g0d | me 2 |
| 06:32.27 | the_g0d | but what ? |
| 06:32.44 | the_g0d | how can i see that ? |
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| 06:33.08 | peterS | the_g0d: no obvious way I know of. I guess just try to observe what is going particularly slowly |
| 06:33.22 | dondelelcaro | the_g0d: using strace, you can see which processes are stopped in an nslookup... |
| 06:33.39 | the_g0d | ok |
| 06:33.46 | the_g0d | 10q verry much for the help |
| 06:34.08 | peterS | dondelelcaro: it won't be that obvious in strace. the system call will be 'read' or 'listen' or something like that |
| 06:34.08 | Cor-Bob | if i drop to a shell from the rescue/installation floppies, do i have the capacity to compile a driver for my network card? |
| 06:34.08 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah... |
| 06:34.08 | peterS | dondelelcaro: since name lookups aren't a kernel function |
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| 06:34.20 | dondelelcaro | peterS: something like this: connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(53), sin_addr=inet_addr("138.23.226.101")}, 28) = 0 |
| 06:34.25 | peterS | Cor-Bob: no, the install floppies do not have a compile environment |
| 06:34.26 | Guest08120 | can someone help me? |
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| 06:34.52 | Guest08120 | what is the website address to the unstable mit release of debian downloadable packages |
| 06:34.57 | z|bandito | how do you set the GMT time or the local system time? |
| 06:35.06 | Cor-Bob | is it possible to install debian from another linux system? |
| 06:35.07 | peterS | dondelelcaro: there's also the issue that you can't strace an entire system at once - you have to pick a process to try, and strace that |
| 06:35.08 | z|bandito | or set the system to use network time server? |
| 06:35.10 | dondelelcaro | Cor-Bob: yes. |
| 06:35.12 | Cor-Bob | err installation... |
| 06:35.18 | peterS | Cor-Bob: yeah, /msg dpkg debtakeover |
| 06:35.20 | dondelelcaro | z|bandito: apt-get install ntpdate ntp-simple; |
| 06:35.23 | dondelelcaro | peterS: definetly. |
| 06:35.44 | naxxaj | apt-cache search helix - doesn't return any packages )= |
| 06:35.50 | naxxaj | i wanna install helix )= |
| 06:35.52 | z|bandito | ntpdate ntp-simple; is one package or two? :) |
| 06:35.58 | helix | please don't |
| 06:35.59 | helix | :/ |
| 06:35.59 | peterS | naxxaj: guess it's not in debian yet, then |
| 06:36.04 | z|bandito | er i'll find it |
| 06:36.07 | z|bandito | thanks :) |
| 06:36.18 | Cor-Bob | my fiancee is killing her sim |
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| 06:36.22 | naxxaj | i went to the linux conference in san francisco last august and got a free helix t-shirt |
| 06:36.42 | peterS | jaxxan: I'm not even sure if debian considers it dfsg-free. it seems like they rejected the RPSL at some point |
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| 06:37.07 | jaxxan | what is dfsg-free ? |
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| 06:37.10 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, the RPSL is most definetly not free... |
| 06:37.12 | peterS | helix: what's wrong with real? they had that name before you did |
| 06:37.16 | helix | debian free software guidelines |
| 06:37.22 | dondelelcaro | !dfsg |
| 06:37.22 | dpkg | dfsg is probably the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 06:37.33 | helix | peterS: you don't know that. you only met me a year ago! |
| 06:37.36 | jaxxan | !rpsl |
| 06:37.40 | helix | less than a year, actually |
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| 06:37.52 | jaxxan | ok, what's rpsl ? |
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| 06:38.03 | dondelelcaro | jaxxan: real player source license |
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| 06:38.11 | peterS | helix: true. but you started getting spurious nick highlights due to Real somewhat more recently than that, even |
| 06:38.24 | peterS | dondelelcaro: s/player/public/ |
| 06:38.29 | jaxxan | so it's open source, but it's open completely ? or something ? |
| 06:38.34 | dondelelcaro | peterS: oh, right. |
| 06:38.41 | peterS | dondelelcaro: I read it when it was first announced, and I remember approving of most, but not all, of it |
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| 06:38.55 | peterS | jaxxan: not really considered open source, probably, but it's *nearly* so |
| 06:38.59 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, for the most part it's ok, but there are a few really nasty clauses in it. |
| 06:39.28 | peterS | dondelelcaro: one thing I didn't like, as I recall, was the language lifted from the GPL but then modified slightly - to cover use as well as distribution |
| 06:39.40 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah... |
| 06:39.44 | peterS | dondelelcaro: that struck me as a bit underhanded |
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| 06:41.06 | dondelelcaro | peterS: see http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20030210.022030.45d465e7.html for the whole issue... |
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| 06:41.23 | peterS | dondelelcaro: and here's mine: http://lwn.net/Articles/14158/?format=printable |
| 06:41.40 | dondelelcaro | heh. http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20030210.044214.b7d28e3e.html |
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| 06:42.03 | Vinland | how do you tell if your ethernet card is set at full or half duplex. I can download from my ftp server fine, but I can't upload anything bigger than a txt file |
| 06:42.12 | Plareplane | can someone do ping -c sundog.usask.ca for me and tell me if it's alive? |
| 06:42.17 | tcsetattr | Vinland, run mii-tool |
| 06:42.32 | Plareplane | add a 4 in there |
| 06:42.51 | Bru | Plareplane: seems not |
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| 06:43.31 | Vinland | its says FD |
| 06:43.33 | Plareplane | i was doing some homework when my ssh died and it seems like all of foo.usask.ca is dead :( |
| 06:43.54 | xzcvczx | can someone with libpcap please do "locate bpf.h" and tell me if its named that or pcap-bpf.h? |
| 06:44.02 | tcsetattr | it's listening on port 80 though. Looks like an obnoxious ping-ddropper |
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| 06:44.21 | tcsetattr | libpcap-dev: /usr/include/net/bpf.h |
| 06:44.27 | xzcvczx | cheers :) |
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| 06:44.37 | xzcvczx | tcsetattr: version of libpcap? |
| 06:45.10 | tcsetattr | I can connect to sundog.usask.ca on port 22 also |
| 06:45.21 | tcsetattr | xzcvczx, it's the version in stable: Version: 0.6.2-2 |
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| 06:45.48 | xzcvczx | tcsetattr: oh ok cheers :) |
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| 06:45.56 | Plareplane | Hmm, I can connect again too. |
| 06:46.29 | Guest08120 | how do i find the mac address of a network card |
| 06:46.32 | Vinland | Okay I have an ethernet card that uses the tulip.o module, I'm not able to compile the .c file, what happens if I use someone elses tulip.o and move it into my modules folder then use modconf to activate it? |
| 06:47.20 | jaxxan | can you register nicks on freenode ? |
| 06:47.30 | The_Vulture | Vinland: um, a standard debian kernel will already have the tulip module ready for you to load |
| 06:47.38 | The_Vulture | you don't have to go messinag around building it, or copying it, or anything |
| 06:47.40 | The_Vulture | just modprobe tulip |
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| 06:48.53 | Guest08120 | can someone tell me how to find the mac address of an ethernet card? |
| 06:48.54 | Vinland | the_vulture- I am using 2.4.18bf2.4 ...the modprobe tulip doesn't work. I did a locate for tulip, no go and when I searched the list in modconf I couldn't find it either |
| 06:49.24 | jaxxan | Guest08120: ifconfig |
| 06:49.26 | The_Vulture | Vinland: you might want to use something other than a boot floppy kernel, those are just designed to get you started |
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| 06:49.59 | Vinland | WHAT? |
| 06:50.36 | jaxxan | what are all these little + and V and ! in the progress bar of abcde ? |
| 06:50.43 | jm_ | jaxxan: man cdparanoia |
| 06:50.56 | jaxxan | ok, i was like, man abcde isn't showing it |
| 06:51.13 | Vinland | the_vulture- ha, well the problem is my ethernet card that I'm currently using can't upload anything, so apt-get is useless, what do you suggest I do to get a newer, better kernel? |
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| 06:51.44 | ropponmatsu | Ciao! |
| 06:51.53 | ropponmatsu | Hi! |
| 06:51.57 | The_Vulture | Vinland: well how did you get the bf kernel on there in the first place? did you literally install off 4 boot floppies? |
| 06:52.01 | agge | Where to find a fast and up to date mirror for apt get? |
| 06:52.04 | jaxxan | so basically ! means that your disc is scratched huh |
| 06:52.17 | ropponmatsu | I've a little trouble! |
| 06:52.22 | Vinland | The_Vulture- no off of a cd |
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| 06:52.40 | jm_ | Vinland: read the FAQ |
| 06:52.50 | The_Vulture | Vinland: and that CD doesn't have any other kernel images on it? |
| 06:52.54 | Vinland | The_Vulture - I'm using an old p166 as an ftp server, I think someone reccomended this kernel because it was bare bones. |
| 06:53.06 | The_Vulture | perhaps kernel-image-2.4.18-686 (or whatever architecture you are using) |
| 06:53.37 | ropponmatsu | When I use the Xserver I can't type the min and max char! |
| 06:53.47 | ropponmatsu | Why? |
| 06:53.54 | jaxxan | gonna go |
| 06:54.05 | jaxxan | see ya'll later thanks for all the help |
| 06:54.08 | ropponmatsu | In text shell I can use it ! |
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| 06:54.20 | Vinland | the_vulture - so to go about installing this new kernel, I would download it, move it over to my debian box, and then.?? |
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| 06:54.33 | The_Vulture | Vinland: like I said, it may well be on the CD you already have |
| 06:54.36 | zingzong | hi |
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| 06:54.51 | The_Vulture | have you setup an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list for the debian CD[s] you have? |
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| 06:55.00 | The_Vulture | try: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.18- |
| 06:55.01 | zingzong | i am curious does anyone here recieve emails from the economist in their mail - i am looking for a promotional code |
| 06:55.19 | pladunk | anyone want a gmail account, googles giving them out like crazy |
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| 06:56.06 | zingzong | pladunk: its not open yet |
| 06:56.09 | Vinland | The_Vulture -- thanks |
| 06:56.11 | agge | pladunk: lol , who cares about gmail?! |
| 06:56.17 | zingzong | unless u got a invitiation code - wanna pass me the code |
| 06:56.33 | pladunk | its pretty nice to have one, there no code, you just send an invite to people, i have 12 or so |
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| 06:57.30 | ropponmatsu | Anyone help me!PLEASE! |
| 06:57.31 | zingzong | pladunk: can you invite me |
| 06:57.33 | z|bandito | sorry this is kinda stupid but how do you use ntpdate? |
| 06:57.47 | The_Vulture | Vinland: according to the file list on packages.debian.org the kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 has the tulip driver.. |
| 06:57.50 | z|bandito | i have the ntp.nasa.gov ip address resolved but it doesn't take my arguments |
| 06:57.54 | simonrvn | z|bandito: man page |
| 06:57.56 | zingzong | pladunk: message me in private |
| 06:57.58 | dondelelcaro | ropponmatsu: you mean < and > ? |
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| 06:58.09 | zingzong | pladunk: i meant can i message in private |
| 06:58.11 | The_Vulture | Vinland: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?page=7&word=kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4&version=stable&arch=i386&case=insensitive&searchmode=filelist |
| 06:58.12 | ropponmatsu | YES! donde! |
| 06:58.18 | jm_ | z|bandito: invoke-rc.d ntpdate start |
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| 06:58.29 | dondelelcaro | ropponmatsu: sure sounds like you haven't selected the appropriate keyboard. |
| 06:58.42 | ropponmatsu | Italian layout! |
| 06:58.51 | z|bandito | thankses |
| 06:59.11 | pladunk | sure, just send me one |
| 06:59.50 | dondelelcaro | ropponmatsu: and what does grep XkbLayout /etc/X11/XF86Config-4; return? |
| 06:59.58 | ropponmatsu | How can I change it without the KDE wizard? (It seems not work!) |
| 07:00.01 | nwoods | How do I get my system to play audio cd's in a scsi cd drive?? |
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| 07:00.11 | jm_ | nwoods: with a cd player app |
| 07:00.13 | ropponmatsu | Wait donde, please |
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| 07:01.16 | ropponmatsu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:01.23 | ropponmatsu | Here it is the line! |
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| 07:01.56 | nwoods | jm_: I have tried with the cd play in Gnome but it will not read any audio cd's. It gives a raw sense data error |
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| 07:02.13 | jm_ | nwoods: try something simpler like workbone |
| 07:02.33 | ropponmatsu | Will help me changing the number of keys? |
| 07:02.57 | ropponmatsu | My configuration return "104" |
| 07:03.12 | z|bandito | jm_ that command starts a daemon, but the daemon will not restart automatically after the system is powered down or the process dies, right? :) |
| 07:03.24 | lazarus | why use cpio as opposed to tar? |
| 07:03.32 | jm_ | z|bandito: no, it runs ntpdate, it's not a daemon, ntpd is |
| 07:03.53 | z|bandito | oh. a server daemon right? |
| 07:03.54 | z|bandito | heh |
| 07:03.57 | dondelelcaro | ropponmatsu: that's the xkbmodel |
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| 07:04.13 | z|bandito | you would put ntpdate on cron or something to get it to run automagically |
| 07:04.15 | z|bandito | i presume |
| 07:04.26 | z|bandito | ;s |
| 07:04.30 | jm_ | ntpdate is run-once command, it is able to sync time even if your clock is way off, while ntpd is a daemon and it will keep changing it in shorter intervals or so |
| 07:04.42 | jm_ | I just run it when the system boots, good enough for me |
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| 07:05.06 | ropponmatsu | OK!And so? |
| 07:05.08 | z|bandito | by adding it to a startup script of some sort? |
| 07:05.38 | jm_ | it already it added by Debian |
| 07:05.41 | dondelelcaro | ropponmatsu: someone in #debian.it might know exactly what keyboard layout you should select... |
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| 07:06.09 | jm_ | update-rc.d ntpdate start 51 S . >/dev/null |
| 07:06.11 | ropponmatsu | nobody answer me in .it! :-( |
| 07:06.14 | jm_ | that's from ntpdate's postinst script |
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| 07:06.50 | z|bandito | oh |
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| 07:07.14 | z|bandito | well when it popped up the config screen it asked for time servers, or said to hit enter to continue, and i thought it maybe had a default server |
| 07:07.28 | z|bandito | but i don't think it's updating the clock |
| 07:07.38 | sanxiyn | What is the status of 20040611 kernel crash in Debian? |
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| 07:08.00 | jm_ | server can be set in /etc/default/ntp-servers |
| 07:08.03 | dondelelcaro | ropponmatsu: ah... well, read http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ |
| 07:08.11 | z|bandito | thanks |
| 07:08.13 | dondelelcaro | ropponmatsu: specifically, the entry on "why doesn't my < > key work" |
| 07:08.40 | somiaj | sanxiyn: sercurity.debian.org will get get a fix soon (if its not there) for the woody kernels, all others will creap in though sid and sarge, so you should probably patch yourself (unless your running woody or the 2.4.18 ekrnel) |
| 07:08.40 | dondelelcaro | ropponmatsu: alternatively, you can dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86; that should fix it as well. |
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| 07:09.25 | sanxiyn | somiaj: Thanks. (Verified it crashes on Sid/2.6.6-1-686.) |
| 07:09.28 | acea | is auotmake/autoconf/libtool broken? .. get weird errors when it uses sed in the script |
| 07:09.42 | jm_ | AceLan: someone had something similar with apache lately |
| 07:09.45 | jm_ | acea even |
| 07:10.11 | z|bandito | got it set,.. do you know offhand how to seperate servers in the listing by chance jm? like with a comma or space? |
| 07:10.21 | acea | jm_ what fixed it?.. I've tried to downgrade and everything.. |
| 07:10.27 | somiaj | sanxiyn: yea, It will take somewhere int he neighborhood of a week for the sid kernels to get pached and distributed to all the mirrors (my guess) |
| 07:10.35 | z|bandito | or anyone :) |
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| 07:10.51 | pladunk | can someone help me install Windows XP? |
| 07:10.55 | jm_ | acea: he fixed the configure script |
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| 07:11.13 | acea | ok |
| 07:11.14 | z|bandito | i set it to ntp.nasa.gov heh =] |
| 07:11.24 | jm_ | space should do I guess |
| 07:11.35 | acea | daniels: fix the scripts now ;) |
| 07:11.44 | z|bandito | :) |
| 07:11.59 | sanxiyn | pladunk: I have installed Windows XP many times. /query me? |
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| 07:12.35 | sanxiyn | pladunk: btw why do you ask it on #debian? |
| 07:14.01 | streuner | !test |
| 07:14.02 | dpkg | No, streuner, you're not online any more. |
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| 07:14.28 | streuner | pladunk: troll somewhere else. |
| 07:14.50 | sanxiyn | streuner: Why is it trolling? (certainly off-topic.) |
| 07:16.06 | g4lt | sanxiyn need glasses? |
| 07:16.12 | sanxiyn | g4lt: ? |
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| 07:16.30 | lazarus | sanxiyn: none |
| 07:16.51 | g4lt | 01:14AM <sanxiyn> streuner: Why is it trolling? (certainly off-topic.) |
| 07:17.07 | xerophyte | does anybody knwo which section in the kernel configuration i can find this module /lib/modules/2.6.6-1.427smp/kernel/drivers/md/dm-mod.ko |
| 07:17.15 | sanxiyn | Asking help for Windows install on #debian is off-topic, but not trolling IMO. |
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| 07:17.20 | mdh | sanxiyn: it's akin to walking down the main street of Riyadh asking if anyone wants to know Jesus |
| 07:17.27 | Shadur | Hmm. multi-gnome-terminal is ignoring .gtkrc |
| 07:17.28 | jelque | is there a way, in postfix, to delete all mail in the queue? |
| 07:17.43 | Shadur | sanxiyn: Trolling, probably not. Bloody stupid, yes. |
| 07:17.49 | Vinland | the_vulture - sorry to bother you, but I have the cd in and I have the cdrom entry in my apt source list. What do I want to install exactly to get the tulip.o driver or to get an updated/full module list? |
| 07:17.55 | Supaplex | jelque: what man pages did you look at? |
| 07:17.55 | streuner | mdh: that would be a short answer then :-) |
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| 07:18.10 | sanxiyn | mdh: I don't get it :( |
| 07:18.34 | sanxiyn | mdh: Neither Debian nor Windows is a religion. |
| 07:18.43 | jelque | Supaplex: postsuper, all I really saw was -d |
| 07:18.44 | bohrbug | Maybe a bit off topic, but can my debian machine connect to a mssql server? If I fix that one, I have no need for windows ever again. |
| 07:19.01 | The_Vulture | Vinland: just to verify a few things, you claim you are running 2.4.18-bf24? run uname -r and verify this. |
| 07:19.11 | g4lt | !qotd3 is <reply>01:18AM <sanxiyn> mdh: I don't get it :( |
| 07:19.11 | dpkg | ...but qotd3 is already something else... |
| 07:19.11 | jelque | Supaplex: nm |
| 07:19.23 | The_Vulture | Vinland: b) you claim you can't find any tulip module, run updatedb (assuming you have locate installed) and then "locate tulip", what do you get? |
| 07:19.31 | Vinland | 2.4.18-bf2.4 ...I cut and pasted that |
| 07:19.34 | Supaplex | bohrbug: I use to use some odbc bridge client. google your heart out. |
| 07:19.44 | Supaplex | jelque: find it? :) |
| 07:19.52 | peterS | The_Vulture: let me guess, it's under drivers/net/tulip/ rather than just drivers/net/ |
| 07:20.09 | jelque | Supaplex: ya :) |
| 07:20.15 | bohrbug | Supaplex: thanks, will google |
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| 07:20.29 | The_Vulture | peterS: yes, that's where it is according to the file list on packages.debian.org, does he have to do something magical to get modprobe to load it from there? |
| 07:20.44 | peterS | The_Vulture: no, depmod should find it there just fine |
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| 07:21.04 | The_Vulture | peterS: thought so |
| 07:21.05 | Vinland | the_vulture - there it is |
| 07:21.15 | The_Vulture | Vinland: and when you run "modprobe tulip" as root, what happens? |
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| 07:21.54 | Vinland | it says no device, incorrect parameters...so forth |
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| 07:22.52 | The_Vulture | Vinland: a) what makes you think you have a tulip card b) what do you get when you run "lspci" (paste the result in #flood) |
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| 07:23.55 | owh | Can someone remind me how I set the default download manager to GTM? |
| 07:23.57 | Vinland | I haven't got it in there yet |
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| 07:24.58 | The_Vulture | Vinland: so why are you trying to load the driver if there's no card for it to drive? |
| 07:25.49 | OUTsider | sounds like humping a leg on a person without some |
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| 07:27.21 | Vinland | but hypothetically speaking, if I plug this card in and do modprobe, it should work |
| 07:27.44 | nwoods | Does anyone know why debian would fail to read an audio cd in a scsi cd drive? |
| 07:27.56 | streuner | no |
| 07:28.00 | OUTsider | Vinland: if you got hot pluggable pci, perhaps yes |
| 07:28.05 | Vinland | The_Vulture- I'm just trying to figure out how I do this before I actually go ahead and do it, I want as little downtime as possible. When I did modconf and searched through the list of modules I never found tulip.o, thats why I was asking. |
| 07:28.17 | owh | Vinland: If the card works, the interrupts are set, there are no conflicts and you have the correct driver, then that statement sounds pretty right, but I'd turn off the computer first :-) |
| 07:28.19 | OUTsider | Vinland: 2.6 ? |
| 07:28.30 | streuner | nwoods: we wouldn't know it by guessing, just give use more details. |
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| 07:28.30 | The_Vulture | Vinland: it would have been in there, under "net" and then under "tulip", but I don't use modconf generally |
| 07:28.31 | Vinland | 2.4 |
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| 07:28.59 | OUTsider | The_Vulture: it won't be listed as the kernel ain't active yet :P |
| 07:29.06 | owh | Vinland: locate tulip would be a good idea :-) |
| 07:29.19 | The_Vulture | OUTsider: what do you mean active? he's running a 2.4 kernel.. |
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| 07:29.27 | streuner | nwoods: qgR |
| 07:29.28 | owh | Meanwhile, can someone remind me how I set the default download manager to GTM? |
| 07:29.33 | OUTsider | The_Vulture: but not the one he just compiled |
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| 07:29.45 | The_Vulture | OUTsider: he didn't compile any kernel.. |
| 07:29.46 | The_Vulture | as far as I know |
| 07:29.52 | streuner | nwoods: what does 'cdrecord -scanbus' say? |
| 07:30.09 | OUTsider | Vinland: update-modules |
| 07:30.12 | streuner | nwoods: don't flood the channel |
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| 07:30.49 | OUTsider | (if the module is compiled using the same kernel version as the running kernel) |
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| 07:31.10 | The_Vulture | OUTsider: he didn't compile the module, or the kernel |
| 07:31.18 | The_Vulture | he's using a stock debian 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel |
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| 07:31.21 | nwoods | streuner: I don't have cdrecord installed. |
| 07:31.36 | streuner | nwoods: what stops you to install it? |
| 07:31.43 | OUTsider | that one should have the tulip ones |
| 07:31.51 | The_Vulture | OUTsider: it does.. |
| 07:32.08 | The_Vulture | he could modprobe it, it just won't load because he doesn't have the NIC in his computer yet |
| 07:32.15 | nwoods | streuner: I'm not sure how much this 10 year old hp apollo can handle |
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| 07:32.21 | The_Vulture | he just didn't think he was there because he couldn't find it in modconf (and it's probably there, he just didn't see it) |
| 07:32.23 | Vinland | outsider - I can't use apt-get, the current ethernet card I'm using is stuck on half duplex or something. I can download from my ftp server, but I can't upload anything bigger than a txt file. And apt always times out. |
| 07:32.23 | OUTsider | but since he talks about production server, I strongly suggest to create a custom kernel :) |
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| 07:32.56 | owh | my suggestion to use: locate tulip would tell you exactly if the module exists and if it's in the correct location :-) |
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| 07:33.09 | The_Vulture | OUTsider: why? |
| 07:33.10 | streuner | nwoods: SCSI CDROM's usually have problems to boot with, but i've never heard that they have problems to read Audio-CD's |
| 07:33.11 | OUTsider | owh: unless compiled in kernel :) |
| 07:33.17 | owh | hehe |
| 07:33.23 | The_Vulture | OUTsider: stock kernels get proper debian security updates.. sounds like a good thing to me |
| 07:33.23 | OUTsider | The_Vulture: production servers need fd's |
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| 07:33.30 | The_Vulture | fd's? |
| 07:33.37 | owh | OUTsider: But then there wouldn't be any probing going on would there :-) |
| 07:33.37 | OUTsider | file descriptors if loaded a lot |
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| 07:33.49 | The_Vulture | um.. how can a kernel not have file descriptors? |
| 07:33.53 | OUTsider | it has |
| 07:34.00 | OUTsider | 8192 global, 1024 default |
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| 07:34.10 | nwoods | streuner: I have no problems booting from my scsi cdrom but if I try to play an audio cd it has a raw sense data error |
| 07:34.21 | bas | in /etc/network/interfaces you can specify WEP keys with the 's:password' syntax and 'rawwepkey' syntax.. how do i computer the latter one from a 's:password' type? this is for waproamd usage |
| 07:34.23 | OUTsider | as in default values for INR_OPEN and NR_OPEN |
| 07:34.24 | The_Vulture | I imagine how many it might need would depend on what kind of things the server was "producing", *shrugs* |
| 07:34.26 | jm_ | nwoods: does it even support audio cd-s ? |
| 07:34.27 | owh | So is my GTM question so silly that it is beneath the notice of 680 people. |
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| 07:34.52 | OUTsider | The_Vulture: well, my serverdefaults are 10240 and 65536 :) |
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| 07:35.03 | davis | is there any way to check out a tree from CVS based upon a tag? |
| 07:35.10 | nwoods | jm_: the drive does, it even has a headphone jack and vol control on the drive |
| 07:35.11 | OUTsider | -r |
| 07:35.27 | streuner | nwoods: did you use another CD? |
| 07:35.33 | OUTsider | davis: man cvs |
| 07:35.40 | jm_ | nwoods: so workbone doesn't work ? |
| 07:35.54 | nwoods | streuner: yep |
| 07:35.58 | OUTsider | davis: I think it was co -R <tag/revision> <folder> |
| 07:36.01 | nwoods | jm_: nope |
| 07:36.06 | davis | ok many thanks |
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| 07:36.28 | davis | next question. i have a tarfile of a project someone used cvs to acquire |
| 07:36.38 | OUTsider | The_Vulture: also I reserve 128 for root and tweak the TCP Keepalive time |
| 07:36.53 | davis | can I determine from the tarfile which version or tag the user pulled the code from? |
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| 07:37.04 | OUTsider | The_Vulture: instead of the default 10 FD's and 2 hours (now 5 minutes) |
| 07:37.06 | The_Vulture | davis: if it's an export, no, not generally |
| 07:37.14 | OUTsider | yes |
| 07:37.16 | The_Vulture | if it's just a checked out working copy, then maybe |
| 07:37.19 | OUTsider | check CVS/Tag |
| 07:37.27 | davis | so, I could rebuild the tar file contents from the existing cvs file. |
| 07:37.54 | OUTsider | owh: trike ? |
| 07:37.55 | The_Vulture | owh: perhaps more like a 600th wheel.. ;) |
| 07:37.56 | streuner | jm_: what is a 'workbone'? |
| 07:37.58 | jm_ | nwoods: sense error usually indicated read errors |
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| 07:38.04 | jm_ | streuner: very simple cd player app |
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| 07:38.11 | nwoods | jm_: it says "SCSI error: host 0 id 2 lun 0 return code = 8000002" |
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| 07:39.00 | jm_ | nwoods: doesn't mean much to me, how about cdparanoia, can it rip it ? |
| 07:39.12 | nwoods | jm_: no clue |
| 07:39.21 | nwoods | jm_: have not tried |
| 07:39.43 | owh | Perhaps some background would make it all worth while... I'm running testing with Galeon seg faulting all over the place when it saves files, sometimes even when it's just sitting there, but mainly when it's downloading and saving files. I recall seeing a setting somewhere to set the download manager to something else, but of course now that I need it I cannot find it. Hence my question... |
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| 07:40.31 | jm_ | galeon has its own download handler setting |
| 07:40.34 | jm_ | it's in preferences |
| 07:40.48 | jm_ | it sas Use GNOME Transfer Manager as one of the options |
| 07:40.57 | owh | jm_: Where, I've been through it seven hundred times :-| |
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| 07:41.49 | owh | This is Galeon 1.3.14a |
| 07:42.04 | jm_ | owh: ahh galeon 1.3 lacks a lot of stuff, maybe you can set it via gconf |
| 07:42.22 | owh | nwoods: This may sound like a silly question, but are you running 2.6 or 2.4, and are you running ide-scsi or not? |
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| 07:42.34 | owh | jm_: I'll have a squiz. Thanks. |
| 07:42.57 | jm_ | owh: or ask on #galeon (or even irc.gnome.org #galeon) |
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| 07:43.10 | nwoods | owh: kernel 2.4.26 and I have no clue what ide-scsi is. |
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| 07:43.33 | owh | jm_: I thought it was a system setting, hence my attack on #debian :-) |
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| 07:44.02 | owh | Can anyone comment, but does audio support not require ide emulation for a CD ROM? |
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| 07:44.47 | davis | The_Vulture: in this tarfile, I have the code plus CVS and CVSROOT dirs. Is there anything I can look for which would allow me to rebuild it? |
| 07:44.56 | yefremov | Привет. Тут есть русскоязычные? |
| 07:45.10 | OUTsider | ide-scsi is scsi emulation, making it able to address IDE devices like if they where scsi devices |
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| 07:45.26 | owh | OUTsider: Doh... |
| 07:45.34 | davis | the problem is that the guy built the tarfile from incomplete src tree and it will not build. However the latest cvs code is different fromm what other code was built from. |
| 07:45.37 | owh | OUTsider: wrong way around :-) |
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| 07:45.54 | OUTsider | owh: I doubt that |
| 07:46.10 | OUTsider | owh: it translates scsi commands from applications to IDE |
| 07:46.11 | jm_ | owh: what do you mean ? |
| 07:46.13 | davis | if I could discern the vesion of the code when it was pulled from cvs, I hope I can pull a complete tree |
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| 07:46.26 | davis | from the current cvs tree of that version. |
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| 07:46.39 | jm_ | Dave123: check if it has CVS dirs and look in there |
| 07:46.45 | zyz | дЦ╨ц chen_23 |
| 07:46.56 | OUTsider | owh: otherwise it would be ide emulation for scsi devices |
| 07:47.09 | owh | OUTsider: No, I meant, I did the emulation the wrong way around. I recalled that you needed to make your CD look like IDE if it was SCSI, but that was the opposite. Hence my: "Can anyone comment." |
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| 07:47.19 | owh | OUTsider: My brain was asleep... |
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| 07:47.54 | owh | jm_: Yeah, it's there in Galeon:Handlers:Downloading, thanks! |
| 07:48.00 | chen_23 | $BдЦ╨ц(B zyz |
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| 07:48.44 | davis | ls |
| 07:48.45 | jm_ | owh: np |
| 07:49.13 | owh | I just realised, I'm in a room full of debian-ites. Anyone use gnome-terminal and figured out how to make the horizontal/vertical lines in things like modconf show up rather than using some silly ASCII junk? |
| 07:49.27 | owh | It's been bugging me for ages. |
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| 07:49.54 | jm_ | I use multi-gnome-terminal, it works fine |
| 07:49.58 | jm_ | it might depend on your font |
| 07:50.08 | cef | it does depend on the font |
| 07:50.27 | Polarbear | HI all! I am getting a 64 Bit system soon, wondering if there are any applications that actualy use it? |
| 07:50.28 | owh | I'm using monospace-8 |
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| 07:50.43 | somiaj | Polarbear: intel or amd? |
| 07:50.44 | OUTsider | owh: it might be the defined codepage |
| 07:50.48 | yefremov | Which devels I need to compile kernel from kernel.org (sorry for my english) ? |
| 07:50.51 | Polarbear | AMD-64 Dual |
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| 07:51.05 | cef | you could either try changing the locale or codepage, or possibly using one of the system fonts |
| 07:51.11 | owh | OUTsider: Have you got an English equivalent for that statement up your sleave? |
| 07:51.23 | somiaj | Polarbear: debian.org/ports <- they haven't made an amd port yet, though there is one for intel |
| 07:51.26 | jm_ | yefremov: build-essential + /msg dpkg menuconfig |
| 07:51.33 | OUTsider | owh: cp437 <- english enough ? |
| 07:51.46 | Polarbear | hmmm, any 64bit software for intel? |
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| 07:51.57 | Polarbear | lol :D |
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| 07:52.11 | Polarbear | I hear Mozilla is... |
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| 07:52.27 | OUTsider | unreal tournament 2004 as well Polarbear |
| 07:52.46 | OUTsider | Polarbear: there is a 64bit version for both amd as intel |
| 07:52.56 | Polarbear | well, atleast I can brows and fragg in 64bit :) |
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| 07:53.16 | angeles | someone has asked me about debian |
| 07:53.19 | nwoods | jm_: i just installed cdparanoia, running it with -vQ it finds the drive and says interface is ok and that it is scsi and no MMC CDDA support, unable to read TOC |
| 07:53.33 | angeles | should i refer them to the sarge beta4 netinst iso or the test candidate 1 ? |
| 07:53.38 | Polarbear | I make 3d objects too for art and videogames... this is why I have dual setup... |
| 07:53.42 | yefremov | jm_: from where I could upgrade my distr (with fresh pachages)? |
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| 07:53.48 | owh | nwoods: I suspect the disk you're using is problematic. |
| 07:54.48 | zergouille_ | how can I see if my php has been isntalled with gettext extension ? i installed it with apt-get |
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| 07:55.02 | somiaj | zergouille_: phpinfo |
| 07:55.15 | somiaj | zergouille_: phpinfo(); in a .php file should show all the options enabled in php |
| 07:55.17 | OUTsider | <? phpinfo(); ?> |
| 07:55.29 | nwoods | owh: I think your right |
| 07:56.00 | owh | nwoods: Is it perhaps copy protected with one of those non-standard abominations? |
| 07:56.05 | Ahmet_S | With which prog. language APT was programmed??? |
| 07:56.10 | nwoods | owh: but I had to run it with -vTQ |
| 07:56.40 | owh | nwoods: Dunno, I use xcdroast. Works for me... |
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| 07:56.59 | jm_ | nwoods: sounds like either the driver lacks support or the drive does |
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| 07:57.09 | herbi | my gimp is borked |
| 07:57.10 | jm_ | yefremov: what do you want to do ? |
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| 07:57.33 | edx | Hello! can any one help with a simple sound card config? I am using alsa and everything except the midi music seems to work? I have tried using sfxload but it keeps telling me no such device? |
| 07:57.36 | herbi | is there a different place i set the colour for text? |
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| 07:58.11 | OUTsider | edx: did you add the virmidi support ? |
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| 07:58.39 | edx | virmidi support is news to me can i apt-get it? |
| 07:58.41 | bughunter_ | Is there a debian package of apache 1.3.31 that is backported to Debian/stable? |
| 07:58.46 | nwoods | jm_: I just tried a ddiff cd and workbone did not error out |
| 07:58.46 | bughunter_ | http://www.backports.org/ only has apache 2.0.x |
| 07:58.53 | somiaj | edx: what sound card do you have? |
| 07:58.58 | OUTsider | edx: it's part of alsa |
| 07:59.18 | cef | bughunter_: why? |
| 07:59.18 | yefremov | jm_: first of all I want to install ncurses-devel, but apt-get says that "E: Couldn't find package ncurses-devel" |
| 07:59.18 | edx | sb audigy mp3+it uses the emu10k1 linux driver? |
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| 07:59.33 | OUTsider | lotsa klines :) |
| 07:59.41 | The_Vulture | yefremov: what makes you think there is such a package? |
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| 07:59.51 | bughunter_ | cef: Because I don't wanna use Debian/unstable on a production system. |
| 07:59.53 | edx | I apt-got alsa ? would that have pulled it in? |
| 07:59.56 | cef | bughunter_: is there some feature in 1.3 that isn't in the woody version? |
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| 08:00.02 | nwoods | jm_:I can't get workbone to work properrly tthough because of my kyb layout |
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| 08:00.21 | somiaj | edx: I'm not sure if that card has built in midi or not (i know the sblive does), did it load this module, snd_rawmidi |
| 08:00.40 | bughunter_ | cef: Well, php4-4.3.4-4 from Debian/testing requires a newer apache version than the one in Debian/stable |
| 08:00.44 | OUTsider | lsmod | grep snd_rawmidi |
| 08:00.59 | cef | bughunter_: aha! that explains everything.. |
| 08:01.21 | somiaj | edx: if it doesn't have built in midi, you'll have to get a softwear synth for midi, such as fluidsynth or timidity |
| 08:01.27 | edx | yea it there with a lot of others? |
| 08:01.40 | yefremov | The_Vulture: installing build-essential fixed some troubles with compilling the cernel, but now I have >> Unable to find the Ncurses libraries. |
| 08:01.40 | yefremov | >> |
| 08:01.40 | yefremov | >> You must install ncurses-devel in order |
| 08:01.40 | yefremov | >> to use 'make menuconfig' |
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| 08:02.06 | cef | yefremov: 'apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 08:02.23 | edx | it does have a wave table but it expects the user to load the table in via sfxload? which works ok in knoppix but I am trying to make the switch to full debian |
| 08:02.52 | bughunter_ | Can anyone answer my original question, please? |
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| 08:03.05 | BroTroxer | Hi, i just reinstalled my box here and got a problem. I configured the xfree86 to use 1200x1600 resolution but it still won't give me anything above 1024x768, anyone know why that happens? |
| 08:03.27 | mgk | at the moment i have /boot located on my main partition, hdb1, but i want it on a separate partition - what order should i place my steps? i've configured fstab, but will my files in /boot be erased etc? |
| 08:03.29 | somiaj | edx: it worked fine for me on this sblive, what erros you get from sfxload |
| 08:03.38 | OUTsider | BroTroxer: uhm, why define a resolution at all and try to have X find the highest resolution ? |
| 08:03.42 | edx | BroTroser switch to 1600x1200 should do it |
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| 08:04.09 | jm_ | yefremov: /msg dpkg menuconfig |
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| 08:04.13 | somiaj | BroTroxer: you mean 1600x1200, and if it doesn't give you anything bigger, check out the log in /var/log/, you may not have the sync rates high enough for that resolution |
| 08:04.16 | jm_ | nwoods: use numpad |
| 08:04.21 | bughunter_ | Is there a debian package of apache 1.3.31 that is backported to Debian/stable? http://www.backports.org/ only has apache 2.0.49. |
| 08:04.40 | edx | No such device or address found /dev/sequencer |
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| 08:04.56 | BroTroxer | somiaj: you might be on to something there, thanks for the tip |
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| 08:05.01 | OUTsider | edx: how did you install alsa ? |
| 08:05.01 | somiaj | bughunter_: check out apt-get.org |
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| 08:05.36 | nwoods | jm_: My numpad does not work properly, I have an HP HIL keyboard, when i actually tell it to play the cd it says "sr0: CDROM (ioctl) reports ILLEGAL REQUEST" |
| 08:05.49 | edx | apt-get install alsa is what i ran to install it owever i already had sound working fine under the 2.6.6 kernel by default but needed the alsa support? |
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| 08:06.07 | somiaj | edx: alsa is included in the 2.6.x kernels |
| 08:06.32 | cef | somiaj: still needs the user tools though |
| 08:06.40 | edx | thats what i thought however apps like rosegarden4 and ardour balked at it? |
| 08:06.51 | cef | edx: did you compile the kernel yourself or ? |
| 08:07.09 | edx | nope it is stock debian |
| 08:07.17 | somiaj | cef: besides alsamixer, I can't think of anything, but even oss needed aumix |
| 08:07.20 | somiaj | (or another mixer) |
| 08:07.40 | cef | somiaj: just the alsa libs mainly |
| 08:07.45 | edx | kmixer has been working with it all along despite not having alsa previously? |
| 08:07.56 | cef | kmixer supports alsa |
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| 08:08.03 | jm_ | nwoods: hmm that's odd, the only SCSI player I tried it with worked fine |
| 08:08.11 | cef | the default deb doesn't use devfs does it? |
| 08:08.20 | edx | should I apt-get all the alsa libraries etc...? |
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| 08:08.49 | cef | edx: you probably already have them.. try 'ls -l /dev/seq*' |
| 08:08.54 | somiaj | cef: check the /boot/config-<kern version> (but I don't think so) |
| 08:09.10 | cef | somiaj: I compile my own kernels, so I wouldn't know |
| 08:09.13 | zimnyx | is it possible to let user only append to file, and don;t let delete or edit it? |
| 08:09.18 | somiaj | cef: ahh, me either...(: |
| 08:09.24 | edx | edx@HomeLinux:~$ ls -l /dev/seq |
| 08:09.24 | edx | ls: /dev/seq: No such file or directory |
| 08:09.37 | cef | edx: remember the * |
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| 08:09.44 | zimnyx | edx: cd /dev; MAKEDEV seq |
| 08:09.48 | somiaj | zimnyx: I know you can put sticky bits on directories, but not sure about files... |
| 08:09.55 | cef | zimnyx: that |
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| 08:10.04 | nwoods | jm_: now cdparanoia won't read this cd either |
| 08:10.07 | cef | zimnyx: that's what I was just checking for.. if the dev node was really there |
| 08:10.24 | edx | should i make the device? |
| 08:10.32 | jm_ | nwoods: I would just go out and buy el-cheapo IDE drive :) |
| 08:10.36 | somiaj | zimnyx: though maybe the man page would mention something about that... |
| 08:10.55 | cef | edx: the stuff you pasted wasn't correct. you left out a * |
| 08:11.07 | nwoods | jm_: I wish I could put an ide drive in this cause I have 3 extra but this system has no ide support |
| 08:11.09 | cef | edx: ls -l /dev/seq* |
| 08:11.14 | edx | ooops sorry brb |
| 08:11.36 | bughunter_ | somiaj: apt-get.org seems to search forever... |
| 08:11.42 | nwoods | jm_: everything in it is scsi, which means I can't use my scsi floppy due to lack of suipport |
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| 08:11.53 | edx | ahh ok crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 1 Jun 14 12:50 /dev/sequencer |
| 08:11.54 | edx | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jun 14 12:50 /dev/sequencer2 -> /dev/music |
| 08:11.56 | somiaj | bughunter_: its slow at times...just be paitent |
| 08:12.07 | PerfDave | Looking at the kernel-image-2.6-* packages which depend on the latest kernel-image in 2.6, is there a similar thing for kernel sources? I'd like to automagically download a new source whenever it's released. |
| 08:12.12 | zimnyx | somiaj: sticki for files is different stuff. |
| 08:12.19 | cef | edx: run 'groups' |
| 08:12.23 | bughunter_ | somiaj: server overloaded? |
| 08:12.33 | somiaj | bughunter_: don't really know...I never use it |
| 08:12.36 | edx | ? groups ? |
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| 08:12.44 | edx | just that at the prompt? |
| 08:12.49 | cef | edx: just 'groups' by itself.. yup |
| 08:12.50 | somiaj | zimnyx: yea, it says this, the Linux kernel ignores the sticky bit on files, oh well just a guess |
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| 08:13.02 | jm_ | nwoods: hmm maybe try to google for similar problems |
| 08:13.03 | zimnyx | edx: what is your problem actually ? |
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| 08:13.18 | arturaz | PerfDave, probably not |
| 08:13.22 | kenade | any file manager something like nautilus but yet its light and small? |
| 08:13.25 | edx | ok I am in audio video floppy cdrom dialout |
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| 08:13.39 | cef | zimnyx: sfxload doesn't work.. complains /dev/sequncer doesn't exist afaik |
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| 08:13.53 | nwoods | jm_: that would work if I could get a browser to run. There seems to be a number of probs with the hppa dist, atleast for me anyway |
| 08:13.57 | cef | edx: hrm.. well that rules out permissions issues |
| 08:14.04 | edx | just trying to load a soundfont set into the card ? works ok under knoppix? |
| 08:14.08 | zimnyx | somiaj: also SUID bit is ignored for files. |
| 08:14.10 | cef | edx: sounds like sfxload is broken |
| 08:14.33 | zimnyx | edx: what is sountfont ? |
| 08:14.44 | edx | it was part of a bigger debian package I'll have to hunt back to see which one? |
| 08:14.52 | cef | zimnyx: midi data |
| 08:14.58 | somiaj | kenade: there are varrious ones, apt-cache search "file manager", I think rox is ok, its gtk2 based and failry lite, though there are liter... |
| 08:15.05 | edx | musicla instrument wave table for sound card |
| 08:15.24 | somiaj | zimnyx: I don't think so, as there are varrious programs in debian that have the option to set the suid bit or not... |
| 08:15.32 | somiaj | zimnyx: its just ignored on 'scripts' |
| 08:16.06 | zimnyx | somiaj: for sorry, you are right, i ment SUID for *dirs* is ignored. |
| 08:16.08 | somiaj | edx: and sfxload doesn't work?, part of 'awesfx' |
| 08:16.13 | somiaj | zimnyx: (: |
| 08:16.19 | zimnyx | somiaj: i mean chmod 4xxx directory |
| 08:16.19 | cef | awe-drv |
| 08:16.26 | edx | yep thats were it came from thanks! |
| 08:16.35 | jm_ | nwoods: ahh, hppa - worked OK for me on 712/80 but I only used CD for data, not for audio, I guess I could try it when I bring back my box to work |
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| 08:17.22 | edx | somiaj: is there another source in debian for sfxload? |
| 08:17.23 | nwoods | jm_: I'm on a 720/50?? I know its a 9000/720 |
| 08:17.33 | somiaj | edx: its in that package, awesfx |
| 08:17.37 | somiaj | edx: that is where I got it |
| 08:17.38 | nwoods | jm_: data works fine for me too |
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| 08:17.58 | edx | yep me too butits not working strange? |
| 08:18.01 | jm_ | nwoods: I will try audio CD-s, but make sure to remind me or I'll forget, I'll bring my box next week I guess |
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| 08:18.27 | agge | Does debian run well with 2.6 kernel? |
| 08:18.32 | jm_ | ues |
| 08:18.35 | jm_ | yes too |
| 08:18.37 | zimnyx | agge: sure |
| 08:18.38 | edx | runs great here |
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| 08:18.45 | somiaj | agge: it will take a bit of work to get them working on woody (stable), but sarge and sid run fine |
| 08:18.51 | nwoods | jm_: thanks, I appreciate the help. You might be able to help with another prob then. |
| 08:19.02 | agge | where can i get iso for sarge? |
| 08:19.17 | edx | iso for net install? |
| 08:19.22 | agge | yeah |
| 08:19.22 | somiaj | agge: goto debian.org, and check out the new debian-installer |
| 08:19.24 | nwoods | jm_: my sys always crashes trying to mkfs /dev/sdc2 |
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| 08:19.40 | edx | follow somiaj |
| 08:19.57 | edx | worked good here |
| 08:20.02 | zimnyx | edx: not necessarily |
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| 08:20.15 | edx | I just need to get alsa configured properly i think? |
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| 08:20.28 | zimnyx | edx: but there's iso and floppy image(s) for net install |
| 08:20.32 | edx | Did i error in apt-getting alsa with the 2.6.6 kernel? |
| 08:20.37 | jm_ | nwoods: hmm is there a mailing list for pa-risc port ? |
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| 08:21.10 | nwoods | jm_: yeah but no one seemed to be any help |
| 08:21.10 | somiaj | agge: its just a release candiate, but it is fairly nice, and a bit better than the woody installer |
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| 08:21.43 | zignig | somiaj: fairly nice ? bah its way-cool :P |
| 08:22.06 | edx | rocks compared to the others! |
| 08:22.06 | nwoods | jm_: I think the prob is because of the software HP has hidden in the first 58 sectors of the drive |
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| 08:22.14 | jm_ | nwoods: both issues sound like kernel related ones, I think I was also getting SCSI errors when writing to disk, but then I retried it and it worked, it's not anywhere near as usable as other architectures |
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| 08:22.26 | cef | edx: try using asfxload - it's for alsa |
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| 08:22.39 | somiaj | edx: na, I have alsa-base with my 2.6.6 kernel because it contains init scripts for recovering the alsa voulmes after reboot, though the alsa-souce isn't needed (main thing is you don't need to compile the modules from the alsa-source) |
| 08:22.41 | cef | sfxload is for oss |
| 08:22.58 | somiaj | zignig: I prefer to install from a live cd with debootstrap myself, and then do things by hand...(: |
| 08:23.00 | edx | ah ok! |
| 08:23.01 | nwoods | jm_: I only have problems sdc, sdb works fine |
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| 08:23.24 | dpkg | it's OOPS, dammit! |
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| 08:23.31 | JoePenguin | mata... |
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| 08:23.37 | helix | christ |
| 08:23.40 | somiaj | thanks helix |
| 08:23.41 | saloxin | helix - our saviour |
| 08:23.41 | cef | edx: I'm off home.. hole that helps |
| 08:23.48 | cef | edx: hope even |
| 08:23.54 | cef | helix: thanx |
| 08:24.07 | somiaj | cef: duh, its asfxload (been a while since I've acually manually loaded a new soundfont) |
| 08:24.08 | helix | np.. |
| 08:24.11 | peterS | agge: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 08:24.50 | helix | hmm, i didn't get them all it seems.. |
| 08:24.56 | edx | :) success you guys are awsome! |
| 08:24.56 | peterS | whoa |
| 08:24.56 | jm_ | nwoods: so maybe there is a hardware problem ? |
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| 08:25.06 | helix | hold on |
| 08:25.08 | peterS | I just got another flood there. someone lart my ISP, will ya? |
| 08:25.10 | somiaj | man someone spent way to much time trying to figure out how to flood #debian |
| 08:25.28 | cef | somiaj: heh.. I've NEVER loaded one.. there ya go. .. later! |
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| 08:25.53 | somiaj | cef: yea I figured it out, then added it to a init.d script |
| 08:25.58 | simonrvn | wtf happened to the anti-spambot(s)? |
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