| 00:00.15 | rdancer | what should i dpkg-reconfigure to force dpkg-reconfigure <package> ask me less/more questions? |
| 00:00.24 | JoshTriplett | n00b: I just didn't know if you knew that '!' talked to "dpkg". |
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| 00:00.35 | Motoko | question: I have a KDE box and when I set it up, I told it to configure packages through KDE |
| 00:00.39 | rdancer | ah, debconf! |
| 00:00.42 | n00b | ! or . sometimes.... |
| 00:00.48 | n00b | i didn't know dpkg |
| 00:00.55 | sidme | when i do "ls -l /dev/dsp" i get " /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0" do u think that might be the problem? |
| 00:00.59 | JoshTriplett | n00b: And ~ talks to apt. |
| 00:01.02 | Motoko | now, X doesn't work and I can't reconfigure it to configure from the command line |
| 00:01.08 | JoshTriplett | sidme: No, that's correct. |
| 00:01.38 | Motoko | Is there a file I can manually edit to use the dialog configuration? |
| 00:02.04 | JoshTriplett | Motoko: Try "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=readline dpkg-reconfigure debconf" |
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| 00:02.15 | Motoko | aright |
| 00:02.24 | n00b | guys...1 little question ...if i have a cable connection with a static ip...if i 'don't' give the ip add. of my dns server on this connection to my isp or another dns server...will domain names on net still be sent to my dns server for resolving? |
| 00:02.34 | JoshTriplett | Motoko: DEBIAN_FRONTEND overrides the default frontend. |
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| 00:03.15 | JoshTriplett | n00b: Do you want your own DNS lookups to go to your server, or lookups from the net about your domain? |
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| 00:03.33 | n00b | from outside...anywhere in the world? |
| 00:03.57 | n00b | like yeah lookups go to my server.... |
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| 00:04.12 | JoshTriplett | n00b: You need to set the DNS server record for your domain name to point to your DNS server's IP address. |
| 00:04.23 | JoshTriplett | n00b: Check with your domain registrar. |
| 00:04.32 | n00b | ah that's it... |
| 00:04.39 | JoshTriplett | See you later. |
| 00:04.43 | rox | does anybody know of java 1.4.2 debs? |
| 00:04.52 | n00b | do i need to tell anyone the IP of my dns server...so they put it on theirs? |
| 00:04.52 | Ahmet_S | how old have to someone be to be an nm |
| 00:05.06 | n00b | like tell my isp to put it on theirs? |
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| 00:05.53 | Motoko | n00b: no you don't |
| 00:05.54 | matiu | What's the name of the command that tells debian that new libaries have been installed/moved |
| 00:06.05 | matiu | run after compile make |
| 00:06.07 | grumbel | ldconfig |
| 00:06.16 | matiu | thanks :) grumbel |
| 00:06.43 | Motoko | n00b: you're DNS server will automatically update with other DNS Servers on the net |
| 00:06.55 | n00b | no i mean something else.... |
| 00:07.10 | boris^ | A Linux box has never been compromised, what are you talking about? -- Baghdad Bob |
| 00:07.11 | Motoko | the IP Address? |
| 00:07.16 | boris^ | err i mean ESR |
| 00:07.16 | n00b | i start and external dns server on a machine with static ip ok? |
| 00:07.21 | n00b | an* |
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| 00:07.36 | Motoko | yes? |
| 00:07.40 | n00b | then will requests from the net be sent to my dns server? |
| 00:08.04 | Motoko | no |
| 00:08.17 | Motoko | only if someone is using you as their DNS |
| 00:08.33 | n00b | then i have to tell my isp to put my ip on their dns server as a secondary dns server right? |
| 00:08.35 | Motoko | Or if someone tries to connect to your host |
| 00:08.45 | Motoko | no |
| 00:08.56 | boris^ | omg lol |
| 00:08.58 | Motoko | Unless you want others using your DNS |
| 00:09.06 | Xulf | uhm ps -x? I dont see exim running |
| 00:09.14 | n00b | i have eveyone from around the world to use it! |
| 00:09.22 | n00b | i want* |
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| 00:09.44 | Motoko | then yeah, tell your ISP to set you up as a secondary DNS |
| 00:09.47 | thomas_adam | Sodding shitty netsplits. |
| 00:10.03 | n00b | Motoko : do you think they will do it or will they get money for it? =/ |
| 00:10.30 | n00b | have you tried telling yours? |
| 00:10.42 | n00b | will they set a deal or something? |
| 00:10.50 | n00b | like $20 /month |
| 00:10.56 | n00b | for it... |
| 00:11.10 | Xulf | uhm ps -x? I dont see exim running |
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| 00:11.25 | n00b | the fuck is already getting $10 more for the static ip!! =/ |
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| 00:12.32 | Emiml | Hii |
| 00:12.46 | Emiml | what is the best solution to change locales just for one user? |
| 00:12.49 | jbr | Xulf: might it be running in non-daemon mode? grep exim /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 00:13.21 | linux_learner | if the user account wont su how do you fix it |
| 00:13.26 | linux_learner | what could be wrong |
| 00:13.40 | rox | has anybody heared of java 1.4.2 debian packages for i386 .. i'm looking at blackdown mirrors and all i can find are 1.4.0.99 packages |
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| 00:15.33 | KnyghtMare | anybody help me with an apt-get error? |
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| 00:15.55 | KnyghtMare | my error can be seen at http://www.gameanon.net/error.txt |
| 00:16.04 | Ahmet_S | rox:deb http://debian.innovationsw.com/debian unstable/i386/ |
| 00:16.15 | rox | Ahmet_S: thank you very much |
| 00:16.40 | KnyghtMare | anybody? |
| 00:17.00 | KnyghtMare | do I need to force install? |
| 00:17.08 | linux_learner | if the user account wont su how do you fix it |
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| 00:17.10 | linux_learner | what could be wrong |
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| 00:17.25 | KnyghtMare | enter the right password |
| 00:17.36 | linux_learner | thats not the prob |
| 00:17.55 | linux_learner | the prob began after chown -Rf / |
| 00:17.57 | Emiml | KnyghtMare: do you need this ucspi-tcp package? |
| 00:18.25 | KnyghtMare | erm, no, it was compiled for qmail, which I am not using |
| 00:18.35 | linux_learner | the chown prob has kinda been fixed |
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| 00:18.43 | linux_learner | but su still doesnt work |
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| 00:18.56 | jbr | linux_learner: lost setuid bits on binaries? |
| 00:19.08 | KnyghtMare | woot, seems to have worked removing it |
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| 00:19.13 | linux_learner | how would i find that out jbr |
| 00:19.26 | KnyghtMare | I wonder how well it works out of the box |
| 00:19.34 | xerophyte | jbr it didnt work :( |
| 00:20.00 | jbr | linux_learner: or rather the ownerships to go with it... nah, su's root:root |
| 00:20.07 | linux_learner | right |
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| 00:20.15 | Valium | hello |
| 00:20.31 | linux_learner | root can be loged into from xdm, kdm, gdm |
| 00:20.41 | linux_learner | but su from a user account doesnt work |
| 00:20.42 | jbr | xerophyte: how about unmuting its output (insert a # before the >)? |
| 00:20.52 | linux_learner | even if a test account is created |
| 00:21.01 | Valium | This doesn't find the hey of the kernel people at www.kernel.org. any idea? bash2-2.05b$ gpg --keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 0x517f0d0e |
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| 00:21.08 | TheCoderThatISDa | Hey, I have a question but i dont know if this is possible. I have an old 133 mhz with 64 megs ram sitting beside my real pc, i never use it though. Since X is so resource intensive i was wondering if i could somehow network these two pcs togther so the old pc (64 megs ram in it) can share a little bit of the workload required to run x and it would take 64 megs of my real system. |
| 00:21.37 | TheCoderThatISDa | *off, my real system is 384 megs ram and 1700+ |
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| 00:21.50 | KnyghtMare | does anybody have any idea why apache won't finish properly? I keep getting defunct apache processes |
| 00:21.53 | Valium | please check it for me, if you can download the key, let me know. i have downloaded a lot of corrupted linux-2.6.7.tar* files |
| 00:22.24 | rdancer | linux_learner: probably has an obvious solution related to PAM; try strace. try su from tty1 & console |
| 00:22.44 | linux_learner | huh? |
| 00:22.51 | linux_learner | i dont follow rdancer |
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| 00:24.01 | rdancer | TheCoderThatISDa: you can make the pentium an X server. it should have just enough power; we used 486s as X servers, with much less RAM. or you can run some servers on it. or mosix |
| 00:24.19 | rdancer | linux_learner: is su working on the linux console? |
| 00:24.27 | TheCoderThatISDa | ok |
| 00:24.46 | linux_learner | lemme check rdancer |
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| 00:25.11 | rdancer | KnyghtMare: well maybe if you specified what exactly you were doing.. try /etc/init.d/apache stop; /etc/init.d/apache start |
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| 00:25.48 | KnyghtMare | rdancer, I installed apt-get install apache-perl |
| 00:25.57 | KnyghtMare | but I had the same problem when I compiled from source |
| 00:26.24 | Valium | This doesn't find the hey of the kernel people at www.kernel.org. any idea? bash2-2.05b$ gpg --keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 0x517f0d0e . please check it for me, if you can download the key, let me know. i have downloaded a lot of corrupted linux-2.6.7.tar* files and i can't check them without the key. |
| 00:26.27 | rdancer | KnyghtMare: check #apache & the bts |
| 00:26.29 | TheCoderThatISDa | Triskelios said the connection would be way too slow if i tried to use the pentium as an xserver : ( |
| 00:26.33 | xerophyte | jbr where does the out goes ?? |
| 00:26.44 | rdancer | KnyghtMare: strace might be the right thing in your case |
| 00:26.53 | xerophyte | jbr if i take the /dev/null doies it goes to /var/log/cron |
| 00:27.21 | KnyghtMare | strace? bts? |
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| 00:27.31 | rdancer | Valium: download the key by hand |
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| 00:27.48 | Valium | rdancer, ? what did i do? |
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| 00:28.14 | joaquinz | hi |
| 00:28.33 | joaquinz | could anybody help me , i've a problem with openoffice... |
| 00:28.47 | TheCoderThatISDa | too bad you suck |
| 00:28.49 | rdancer | TheCoderThatISDa: you can make it into a 64meg swap (ramdisk over NFS over ssh or whatnot), but i'd really ofload some servers to it |
| 00:29.13 | TheCoderThatISDa | oh ok, i may do that heh |
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| 00:30.20 | rdancer | Valium: i really don't know. just get the pgp key from www.kernel.org. if you have problems connecting to wwwkeys.pgp.net, that's just another issue.. |
| 00:30.36 | jbr | xerophyte: output should go as mail to the crontab owner (=root?) unless there's a MAILTO set |
| 00:30.47 | rdancer | !tell joaquinz about asking |
| 00:31.05 | linux_learner | rdancer when in console (tty1) i can login as root, but when i log in as user i cant su |
| 00:31.29 | rdancer | linux_learner: too bad. unfortunately, i don't know why |
| 00:31.40 | linux_learner | nor do i |
| 00:31.43 | rdancer | joaquinz: don't msg me; speak openly! |
| 00:31.51 | rdancer | s/speak/talk/ |
| 00:31.52 | joaquinz | sorry :( |
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| 00:32.06 | rdancer | joaquinz: ;) |
| 00:32.10 | joaquinz | the problem is that i cant start openoffice... it crashes with a segmentation fault |
| 00:32.18 | jbr | linux_learner: just checking - ls -l /bin/su says "-rwsr-xr-x root:root"? |
| 00:32.52 | rdancer | joaquinz: too bad. start it from shell and watch for error messages. |
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| 00:33.01 | joaquinz | i did it |
| 00:33.02 | rdancer | joaquinz: use strace if hopeless |
| 00:33.04 | joaquinz | see |
| 00:33.09 | linux_learner | lemme check rdancer |
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| 00:33.32 | joaquinz | Segmentation fault setup failed (code 0).. abort |
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| 00:33.39 | rdancer | linux_learner: that was jbr, not /me ;) |
| 00:33.52 | linux_learner | oh sorry |
| 00:33.54 | xerophyte | jbr can i message you |
| 00:33.59 | rdancer | joaquinz: strace it |
| 00:34.12 | rdancer | joaquinz: and watch for errors |
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| 00:34.19 | jbr | xerophyte: I'd rather you didn't - for a start I'm leaving soon |
| 00:35.01 | linux_learner | jbr it says it says: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root |
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| 00:35.13 | jbr | linux_learner: aha! no setuid bit! |
| 00:35.13 | jab | Anyone know what the current NMU policy is? |
| 00:35.22 | macpato | rdancer: i never fixed the shutdown in the kernel-image 2.6 so i uninstalled and kept the 2.4.26, in it, there was no problem |
| 00:35.50 | linux_learner | ok so how do we fix that |
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| 00:36.03 | joaquinz | this is the last instruction before the segmentation fault |
| 00:36.07 | joaquinz | wait4(-1, [{WIFSIGNALED(s) && WTERMSIG(s) == SIGSEGV}], 0, NULL) = 2044 |
| 00:36.07 | joaquinz | --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) |
| 00:36.15 | Valium | incredible |
| 00:36.28 | Valium | i can't download the key from any keyserver |
| 00:36.51 | Justin | !tell joaquinz about bts |
| 00:37.27 | linux_learner | jbr how do i set the setuid |
| 00:37.37 | jbr | linux_learner: as root(!) "chmod -c 4755 /bin/su" |
| 00:37.56 | jbr | linux_learner: or "u+s" |
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| 00:38.33 | Valium | i am getting MAD with these keys |
| 00:38.43 | Valium | really... |
| 00:39.25 | jbr | linux_learner: you may have other such problems - "dpkg intall --reinstall"s would help |
| 00:39.37 | linux_learner | ok |
| 00:39.37 | rdancer | macpato: heh, was it that important for you? |
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| 00:41.40 | rdancer | linux_learner: you should worry why it got de-suid, in the first place.. |
| 00:41.44 | mfdu | is there anyway to know what im getting when i apt-get update? |
| 00:41.56 | macpato | rdancer: nah, just wanted to try it, learn a little bit, screw around, thanks for your help, appreciate it |
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| 00:42.34 | rdancer | Valium: network problems - or - firewall problems - or - ~/.gnupg/* problems - or - something else |
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| 00:43.02 | Valium | rdancer, heh that helps:) |
| 00:43.23 | rdancer | macpato: file a bugreport, though, and mention the hardware config. |
| 00:43.44 | rdancer | Valium: /last Valium |
| 00:43.47 | rdancer | shit |
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| 00:43.50 | StuckMojo | hi. |
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| 00:44.08 | StuckMojo | how do you make a cd from the files in /debian/dists/unstable/main/installer-i386/current/images/cdrom/ ? |
| 00:44.10 | Valium | rdancer, try to see if you can download the key, please... |
| 00:44.23 | xerophyte | jbr i got it.. damn cron didnt fidn th php :) |
| 00:44.24 | StuckMojo | the installer docs don't say how |
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| 00:44.36 | rdancer | Valium: soo, is the key at the website really 0x517f0d0e? |
| 00:44.40 | jbr | xerophyte: a PATH problem? |
| 00:44.40 | StuckMojo | meh. nevermind |
| 00:44.42 | xerophyte | jbr thats sucks i spend 2 horus to find that stuff i dint know it will email me the output :) thx |
| 00:44.47 | Valium | rdancer, yes |
| 00:44.53 | rdancer | Valium: does importing the key from the website work? |
| 00:45.01 | Valium | not for me |
| 00:45.01 | rdancer | Valium: aha. |
| 00:45.10 | xerophyte | jbr yup screw that it ate lots of my time .. i wonder .. all these time is worth with linux :) |
| 00:45.12 | Valium | website? |
| 00:45.12 | rdancer | Valium: aha |
| 00:45.18 | Valium | hum? |
| 00:45.33 | rdancer | Valium: http://www.kernel.org |
| 00:45.34 | Valium | i don't understand your humorism... |
| 00:45.35 | pixelmonkey | I'm getting 403 forbidden messages when trying to access /home/*/public_html directories using Apache 1.3 with one virtual host. Does anyone know what my problem could be? |
| 00:45.42 | Valium | rdancer, ok...what? |
| 00:46.20 | Justin | pixelmonkey: read the apache logs |
| 00:46.27 | jbr | pixelmonkey: is /home/whatever executable for the apache server? |
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| 00:47.13 | pixelmonkey | quoth the log: Permission denied: access to / failed because search permissions are missing on a component of the path |
| 00:47.23 | StuckMojo | pixelmonkey chmod a+rx / |
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| 00:47.26 | rdancer | Valium: aha. |
| 00:47.26 | rdancer | shit |
| 00:47.53 | StuckMojo | pixelmonkey you have to do that for each dir... /, /home, /home/username |
| 00:48.09 | StuckMojo | and actually, chmod o+x will work |
| 00:48.16 | Justin | sure, random suggestings are always better than just reading the apache log |
| 00:48.19 | StuckMojo | dont need read, just execute |
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| 00:48.30 | rdancer | Valium: get the bloody key from the www.kernel.org website and stop bothering us. |
| 00:48.39 | rdancer | Valium: the key id is wrong |
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| 00:48.58 | pixelmonkey | Right you are StuckMojo |
| 00:49.11 | rdancer | Valium: when you try to download invalid key id, no wonder it doesn't work. |
| 00:49.11 | pixelmonkey | I had execute permissions on my home direectory, but not ont he parent |
| 00:49.23 | rdancer | s/invalid/nonexistent/ |
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| 00:50.48 | Valium | rdancer, i think you are really stupid for two reasons, first of all, you did not understand the question 2. you even answered |
| 00:51.46 | crackwhore | o,O |
| 00:51.56 | rdancer | Valium: you may think whatever you wish.. the key id is wrong. period. go get a real one.. |
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| 00:52.40 | Valium | rdancer, how do you know it is wrong? |
| 00:52.48 | rdancer | Valium: if you can't manage to point your $BROWSER to http://www.kernel.org, there's not much #debian can offer you.. |
| 00:52.57 | rdancer | Valium: i checked it, stupid. |
| 00:53.39 | Valium | i do not have web-browsers |
| 00:53.42 | pixelmonkey | StuckMojo, know of any reasons that Apache doesn't seem to be listening on Port 80 for localhost (for the main server) but it is listening on port 443 for SSL? |
| 00:53.46 | Valium | what is the key? |
| 00:53.57 | rdancer | Valium: i could give you the right one, but given the way you act, i don't feel like doing so, sorry. |
| 00:54.01 | Eclipser | ouch |
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| 00:54.06 | Eclipser | huge update on sarge |
| 00:54.14 | rdancer | Valium: too bad, then. |
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| 00:54.28 | Eclipser | !tell Luke_DEENER about root |
| 00:54.31 | rdancer | !tell Luke_DEENER about root |
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| 00:54.35 | Eclipser | :) |
| 00:54.39 | rdancer | :) |
| 00:54.47 | ricochet | Question, not trying to poll, but I just ran across shfs-utils (shfsmount). Is this in pretty standard use for mounting remote directories over ssh, nfs-style? or is it new and could have major security holes? |
| 00:54.49 | rdancer | lag laggy lagged |
| 00:55.04 | thomas_adam | ricochet: Yeah, I like it. |
| 00:55.09 | Valium | rdancer, i apologize. i misread |
| 00:55.13 | Spark | ricochet: cool ive been wanting to do that for years |
| 00:55.17 | Eclipser | new version of X in sarge it seems |
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| 00:55.40 | Nemesis__ | Eclipser: what version? |
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| 00:56.13 | rdancer | Valium: bot? |
| 00:56.15 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 00:56.25 | ricochet | thomas_adam, how long have you used it? is it flaky ever? |
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| 00:56.57 | Eclipser | Nemesis__, 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1 ... but I already have that one... I wonder why it wants to install it again :) |
| 00:57.45 | thomas_adam | ricochet: Been using it for about two years. Very good. Lots more stabler than normal NFS which is about as stable as a chocolate fireguard, IMHO. But NFS is all about 'swings and roundabouts' -- some have all the luck with it; while others do not. |
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| 00:58.05 | Eclipser | Nemesis__, whops... sorry... it's 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 now |
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| 00:58.51 | Eclipser | apt-cache show told me the wrong version o.O |
| 00:58.57 | ricochet | thomas_adam, yeah, that is my feeling about NFS. ok cool. thanks! good to know its been around the block and is still liked. |
| 00:59.08 | thomas_adam | ricochet: :) |
| 00:59.17 | thomas_adam | Eclipser: apt-get update first. |
| 00:59.23 | Eclipser | thomas_adam, I did |
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| 00:59.29 | Eclipser | that's why I'm wondering |
| 00:59.33 | Nemesis__ | Eclipser: still problems in it with Mach64's? hehe |
| 00:59.53 | Eclipser | well DANG |
| 00:59.54 | thomas_adam | Eclipser: Then your /var/lib/dpkg/available file is screwed. |
| 01:00.15 | Eclipser | it wants to reinstall xlibmesa but I'm using fglrx which has same files... |
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| 01:01.03 | virusk | i have compiled a 2.6.6 kernel with PCMCIA options selected on debian but found my pcmcia is not workin. I heard i can't get PCMCIA workin by just compilin the kernel but have to include pcmcia-cs module, is it true? |
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| 01:02.06 | mmartin | hia |
| 01:02.26 | mmartin | any who has a toshiba laptop¿ |
| 01:02.33 | thomas_adam | mmartin: I do. |
| 01:02.35 | Eclipser | thomas_adam, would deleting it and apt-get update 'ing fix it? |
| 01:02.45 | thomas_adam | Eclipser: Don't delete, mv for now. |
| 01:02.46 | ricochet | tomas_adam, am I seeing this right, and there is no loadable module, I'd have to recompile the kernel to use shfs? |
| 01:02.51 | thomas_adam | mmartin: T1130, to be precise. |
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| 01:02.54 | crackwhore | virusk, could be. but they're supposed to be mutually exclulsive |
| 01:03.04 | thomas_adam | ricochet: Hmm? |
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| 01:03.13 | mmartin | hmm, to advanced |
| 01:03.22 | mmartin | i have a satellite pro 4600 |
| 01:03.35 | mmartin | trying to install sound and accutype mouse |
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| 01:04.06 | ricochet | thomas_adam, to use shfsmount, it needs shfs kernel module. did you have to compile your own kernel to use it, or do you have a loadable module for shfs |
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| 01:04.25 | Justin | !tell ricochet about search |
| 01:04.29 | thomas_adam | ricochet: Oh, right -- yeah, compiled the kernel myself. |
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| 01:04.36 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 01:04.47 | Eclipser | might as well upgrade ati drivers too |
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| 01:05.49 | mickeyks | hm |
| 01:05.50 | virusk | crackwhore where can i find the detail abt necessary options to be selected when compilin a kernel in order to get pcmcia workin? |
| 01:06.02 | sanmarcos | how would I block nmap requests in my host? kinda like sendto in send_tcp_raw not permitted |
| 01:06.10 | mickeyks | for some reason, my xterm window stays on top, no matter which virtual desktop i switch to |
| 01:06.13 | Xulf | I installed the exim binary but it doesn't boot |
| 01:06.20 | mickeyks | i like it, but i wish i knew how to make it happen on purpose |
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| 01:06.24 | DTiVo4me | how do i start phpbb after installing the deb? |
| 01:06.24 | mickeyks | i'm in fluxbox |
| 01:06.26 | crackwhore | virusk google always has the answer |
| 01:06.27 | rdancer | sanmarcos: only root can do that |
| 01:06.36 | sanmarcos | rdancer: im root |
| 01:07.08 | rdancer | sanmarcos: then you can do anything |
| 01:07.42 | rdancer | sanmarcos: you can drop certain capabilities |
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| 01:08.33 | rdancer | sanmarcos: but i don't think this has any shell bindings..maybe some zsh stuff |
| 01:08.53 | rdancer | sanmarcos: why would you like to do that, anyway? |
| 01:09.26 | rdancer | mickeyks: sticky |
| 01:09.32 | sanmarcos | rdancer: because im paranoid |
| 01:09.35 | rdancer | mickeyks: sticky state |
| 01:09.46 | rdancer | sanmarcos: so am i, but what's the purpose? |
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| 01:10.01 | rdancer | !tell zeier about root |
| 01:10.30 | sanmarcos | rdancer: id tell you, but ill have to kill you, you know |
| 01:10.31 | rdancer | sanmarcos: do you fear yourself creeping in the lab in the nighttime, and inadvertently scanning the campus? |
| 01:11.08 | sanmarcos | rdancer: do me a favor, scan m4rccd.homelinux.net for me |
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| 01:11.41 | rdancer | sanmarcos: i ask because ok, you could do it, but i can't see any *meaningful* way of doing that |
| 01:11.45 | rdancer | sanmarcos: sod off |
| 01:12.06 | rdancer | !lart sanmarcos |
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| 01:12.45 | mickeyks | hi |
| 01:13.00 | rdancer | mickeyks: hi |
| 01:13.08 | faw | mickeyks, hello! :) |
| 01:13.12 | mickeyks | :) |
| 01:13.37 | mickeyks | nice people in #debian |
| 01:13.42 | mickeyks | what a heartwarming sight |
| 01:13.58 | rdancer | !rejoice |
| 01:14.02 | mickeyks | ha |
| 01:14.12 | Nemesis__ | he wants something, doesnt he... |
| 01:14.21 | mickeyks | me? |
| 01:14.24 | faw | Nemesis__, hehehe... :) |
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| 01:14.36 | faw | mickeyks, debian community is great! :) |
| 01:14.50 | guestish | I keep on getting this in my syslog: Jun 16 18:02:27 ads chronyd[2269]: NTP packet received from unauthorised host 209.15.197.137 port 123 |
| 01:15.00 | guestish | does that mean they are trying to use me as an ntp server? |
| 01:15.02 | mickeyks | faw: well, i like it, but it is not known for being the most friendly |
| 01:15.23 | rdancer | Nemesis__: he precludes disappointment by never asking in the first place; clever of him! 8) |
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| 01:15.43 | Nemesis__ | rdancer: ah, a cunning trick... |
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| 01:16.00 | mickeyks | i just want to be loved, is that so wrong? |
| 01:16.17 | guestish | it does right? |
| 01:16.19 | rdancer | guestish: probably |
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| 01:16.22 | rdancer | !hug mickeyks |
| 01:16.29 | iLLf8d | mickeyks, as long as its the opposite sex or your hand no |
| 01:16.32 | guestish | rdancer: ... |
| 01:16.36 | guestish | rdancer: k |
| 01:16.38 | rdancer | guestish: maybe they just scanned you |
| 01:16.44 | faw | rdancer, hey... i didn't know that dpkg hugs people! :) |
| 01:16.49 | guestish | rdancer: its about the 10th time |
| 01:16.53 | rdancer | guestish: maybe even inadvertendly |
| 01:16.57 | mickeyks | iLLf8d: are you saying that you hate gay people? |
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| 01:17.07 | iLLf8d | no are you? |
| 01:17.12 | rdancer | guestish: a typo in the ip address in their config? |
| 01:17.21 | mickeyks | why would i say that you hate gay people? |
| 01:17.35 | guestish | rdancer: could be, it just started toda |
| 01:17.37 | guestish | today |
| 01:17.39 | rdancer | faw: it even..can do more |
| 01:17.45 | iLLf8d | I dunno you brought it up |
| 01:17.50 | rdancer | !finger faw |
| 01:18.12 | rdancer | hmm |
| 01:18.16 | rdancer | but surely |
| 01:18.21 | rdancer | !fuck iLLf8d |
| 01:18.55 | mickeyks | iLLf8d: but aren't you saying that it's wrong to want to be loved if you want to be loved by the same sex? |
| 01:19.09 | faw | rdancer, ok... thanks... you don't need to be so cruel! |
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| 01:19.30 | iLLf8d | oh you don't want to start the bible thumpers now |
| 01:19.35 | rdancer | they are bots |
| 01:19.45 | pixelmonkey | trying to get apache to work on ports 80 and 443 with mod_ssl and one virtual host. Every time I enable port 443 though, port 80 becomes disabled. i.e. I am able to do https://localhost but not http://localhost |
| 01:20.01 | guestish | rdancer: it isnt hurting anything so i suppose i could just ignore it |
| 01:20.19 | rdancer | faw: bot-fucking-festival.. not hurting anyone |
| 01:20.28 | faw | rdancer, hahahaha! |
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| 01:20.43 | |XO| | debian uses md5 in shadow by default? |
| 01:20.45 | Nemesis__ | pixelmonkey : apache 1.x or 2.x? |
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| 01:20.47 | faw | rdancer, it is like that bot-fight-championship? |
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| 01:20.50 | pixelmonkey | Nemesis__, 1.3 |
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| 01:20.56 | The_Vulture | |XO|: it asked me when I was installing if I recall correctly.. |
| 01:21.10 | Nemesis__ | pixelmonkey : iirc, apache 1.x can't do both ssl and normal web... |
| 01:21.26 | Nemesis__ | pixelmonkey : you may have to run two separate instances |
| 01:21.29 | pixelmonkey | Nemesis__: really? |
| 01:21.40 | pixelmonkey | Can anyone else confirm that/ |
| 01:21.42 | Nemesis__ | pixelmonkey: not in the same instance, no |
| 01:21.47 | rdancer | faw: rather like an inverse turing test |
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| 01:21.59 | nekrataal | hello, i know this question is going to get some of you angered with me, but ill as anyway.... Does anyone knows how to make the cdrom work on wine?, i cant get it to detect the cdrom drive... |
| 01:22.05 | rdancer | faw: i've been answering 2 of them just few minutes ago.. 8( |
| 01:22.07 | nekrataal | and i want to play StarCraft... |
| 01:22.15 | rdancer | !kill the bots |
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| 01:22.29 | thomas_adam | dpkg, xteddy? |
| 01:22.29 | dpkg | xteddy is, like, your new cuddly friend. Find him here: http://www.itn.liu.se/~stegu/xteddy/xteddy_info.html |
| 01:22.32 | hashar | Lo, I have a trouble with gnome under testing. Since the last update, it print me a message about "The gnome settings daemon restarted too many time" when I log in a gnome session. |
| 01:22.47 | faw | rdancer, two of who? sorry now i'm lost... :) |
| 01:22.53 | thomas_adam | hashar: ask in #gnome on irc.gimp.org |
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| 01:23.17 | hashar | thomas_adam> k going there thanks :o) |
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| 01:23.38 | waynegrow | woot |
| 01:23.46 | rdancer | faw: sanmarcos & Valium |
| 01:23.46 | thomas_adam | dpkg, ask-in-gnome is This is a #debian channel. Your best bets in asking for help for a bloated and resource-intensive desktop manager is to ask in #gnome on the irc.gimp.org network. |
| 01:23.47 | dpkg | thomas_adam: okay |
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| 01:23.59 | rdancer | faw: to be precise. |
| 01:24.05 | thomas_adam | dpkg, ask-in-gnome =~ s/bets/bet/ |
| 01:24.06 | dpkg | OK, thomas_adam |
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| 01:24.20 | waynegrow | any idea how I can grab files from my xp box? |
| 01:24.24 | thomas_adam | !any ideas |
| 01:24.24 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag of string, a little cod liver oil, and a dozen three-legged dairy cows. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 01:24.26 | Nemesis__ | waynegrow : samba |
| 01:24.30 | Valium | naa |
| 01:24.32 | waynegrow | got that |
| 01:24.38 | rdancer | waynegrow: ftp |
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| 01:24.46 | |XO| | what do i use for salt? |
| 01:24.46 | Nemesis__ | waynegrow : is there a share on your XP box? |
| 01:24.47 | rdancer | waynegrow: drawer ide hdd |
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| 01:24.56 | faw | waynegrow, mount it. |
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| 01:25.08 | waynegrow | yes there is a share |
| 01:25.36 | Nemesis__ | waynegrow: mount -t smbfs //<xp_network_name/<share_name> /mnt/blah -ousername=<username> |
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| 01:25.46 | rasher_ | hey all - i have a laptop that is running 2.2.20 testing/unstable ...i want to upgrade to 2.6.??? can i apt-get this ? |
| 01:25.53 | mickeyks | all the oo mirrors are coming up 404 |
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| 01:26.01 | robbyd | do you guys know of a xfs/jfs/reiserfs netinstall iso for woody? I found this one at http://www.physik.tu-cottbus.de/~george/debian-xfs/ for XFS but I was wondering if there was a better one around |
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| 01:26.20 | joycea | Is it possible to have RCS use a directory other than ./RCS to save the version files. If so, what is the option? I can't find it on the man page or by googling. |
| 01:26.31 | Nemesis__ | rasher_: I've tied apt-getting kernels in the past, and it's failed me every time. |
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| 01:26.55 | peterS | joycea: good question. it would be handy. but I don't know of such an option |
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| 01:27.00 | rasher_ | yep ... thats what happened here Nemesis__ :( ... |
| 01:27.16 | Nemesis__ | rasher_: i usually stoop to compiling my own now ;) |
| 01:27.43 | Nemesis__ | rasher_: there's plenty of howtos. and you can copy the .config file from /boot from your 2.2 kernel as a starting point |
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| 01:28.29 | rdancer | rasher_: there *are* kernel packages for 2.6, though |
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| 01:28.31 | Jambon | just a simple apt question here: if you compile a program on your own, will it run faster than if you use apt to install the debian package? |
| 01:28.32 | |XO| | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:29.05 | Nemesis__ | joycea: i guess you could just create a symlink to the folder u want to use |
| 01:29.10 | grumbel | just upgraded from 2.4 to kernel2.6, but now the computer no longer 'beeps', how do I fix this? |
| 01:29.18 | Nemesis__ | Jambon: depends on what optimisations yoou've enabled |
| 01:29.22 | The_Vulture | |XO|: why do you want to? |
| 01:29.27 | Nemesis__ | Jambon: in general; if you configure it properly; yes |
| 01:29.42 | h2k_ | hmm, has aneyone read King's Misery? |
| 01:29.58 | hanasaki | anyone know of something that will compile/parse the protocols specs as they are writtin in RFCs? |
| 01:29.59 | rdancer | Jambon: theoretically, it could. but you'd have to tell the compiler which processor to compile for. depending on the app, it might be worth it. |
| 01:30.01 | faw | |XO|, The number between the first and the second $ is the salt... |
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| 01:30.22 | Guerin | !tell Jambon about gentoo syndrome |
| 01:30.38 | Nemesis__ | Guerin: rofl |
| 01:30.51 | hanasaki | hmm tell me too |
| 01:30.57 | Guerin | Nemesis__: no, thhanks, I'm quite happy in my chair |
| 01:31.04 | joycea | Yeah, I guess a symlink would work. I just found that you can do "ci realfile archivefile" and that might do it for me. |
| 01:31.04 | Guerin | !gentoo syndrome |
| 01:31.04 | dpkg | [gentoo syndrome] the uninformed desire to compile everything for your particular chip "for performance reasons" despite no good reason to believe that there will be any gain in performance. |
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| 01:31.20 | hanasaki | ah |
| 01:31.32 | Jambon | nemesis: so there are normally no performance gains. only maybe in more processor intensive programs....possibly |
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| 01:31.37 | Guerin | Basically, 9 apps out of 10 won't gain a significant performance improvement from a self-compile |
| 01:31.41 | Nemesis__ | joycea: heh, RCS is 30 years old.. they didnt really design it with flexibility in mind |
| 01:32.04 | The_Vulture | Jambon: put it this way, the chances of you regaining the time lost to this discussion and to the actual process of compiling by the resulting optimisation, are rathter small |
| 01:32.06 | Nemesis__ | Jambon: nothing you'll really notice, no. |
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| 01:32.27 | Guerin | !webmin |
| 01:32.27 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webadmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 01:32.37 | Jambon | what about something like kde? |
| 01:32.48 | Guerin | Jambon: definitely not. |
| 01:32.56 | Nemesis__ | Jambon: there's a couple of exceptions, such as, if a program has specific optimisations for 686's, and the apt archive only has an i386 build |
| 01:33.04 | angelgabriel | Woah.... looks like someone doesn't really like webmin! |
| 01:33.20 | ceige | I'm thinking about moving from fedora core to debian but I need to know. Does Debian support the latest Nvidia graphics drivers? |
| 01:33.22 | Guerin | Jambon: 1) it's MASSIVE and takes ages to compile 2) it's very complicated, and even experienced users fuck it up |
| 01:33.25 | ceige | Fedora does not. |
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| 01:33.34 | Guerin | !latest |
| 01:33.35 | dpkg | i heard newest is *not* a useful answer. Newest 5 minutes ago? Newest 3 days ago? Newest in stable? testing? unstable? Is your mirror in sync? If someone asks what version of foo you have installed, paste the last line of "dpkg -l foo". For your kernel, use "uname -r". |
| 01:33.47 | joycea | Ooops, maybe not. That didn't work out for me. Yeah, flexibility is really lacking. |
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| 01:34.00 | Nemesis__ | ceige: which one specifically ;) |
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| 01:34.34 | Guerin | angelgabriel: webmin teaches you bad sysadminning habits and ranges from quite insecure to fucking insecure, depending on your setup. |
| 01:34.36 | Jambon | guerin: so it's overbloated and i really don't want that shitload of crap that comes with it. plus it's crashing worse than windows. what me do? is the fact i'm running sid going to be a problem? |
| 01:35.00 | Guerin | Jambon: possibly. did you apt-get install kde? |
| 01:35.13 | Jambon | yes |
| 01:35.15 | Nemesis__ | Jambon: try a different window manager ;) |
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| 01:35.34 | faw | Jambon, GNOME and FluxBox! :) |
| 01:35.35 | Guerin | Jambon: the reason I ask is because there's a kde-core package, which contains only the central parts. It's smaller and has less moving parts |
| 01:35.52 | Guerin | faw: yeah, because GNOME is small and light and stable... |
| 01:35.59 | Guerin | </sarcasm> |
| 01:36.13 | Nemesis__ | GNOME and fluxbox? there's a contradiction and a half.. |
| 01:36.14 | ceige | Nemesis__: Fedora Core 2 does not support it and they say they do not intend to in the future. |
| 01:36.21 | Nemesis__ | ceige: what card? |
| 01:36.31 | Nemesis__ | ceige: most nvidia cards are poorly supported by linux |
| 01:36.39 | angelgabriel | Guerin: What's insecure about it? |
| 01:36.40 | faw | Nemesis__, why? |
| 01:36.41 | Jambon | gurerin: mkay. so can i just apt-get remove purge whatever kde and get the core since it's been acting up? |
| 01:36.45 | Guerin | Jambon: once you install kde-core, you can get individual apps for it later... |
| 01:36.48 | The_Vulture | I find nvidias binary only drivers quite nice in linux.. |
| 01:36.52 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* |
| 01:37.00 | Nemesis__ | faw: fluxbox is light fast and stable... gnome is huge bloated and.. |
| 01:37.05 | Guerin | angelgabriel: think about it, you're giving out root access to your box over a web interface, FFS |
| 01:37.11 | ceige | Nemesis__: GeForge4 MX 440 |
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| 01:37.49 | faw | Nemesis__, ah... don't say that, GNOME will find his way and become less huge and faster... :) |
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| 01:38.06 | Nemesis__ | faw: typically, packages go the other way.. get larger, and more bloated ;) |
| 01:38.07 | Guerin | angelgabriel: sure, it's https://, but also, it's easy to make a simple mistake and break things, you're vulnerable to browser security flaws, webmin's miniserv security flaws, etc... |
| 01:38.30 | linux_learner | thanx to jbr and rdancer LukeK didnt have to reinstall |
| 01:38.38 | factotum | you can always open Nautilus in Fluxbox ;) |
| 01:38.38 | Guerin | faw: bullshit. Gnome has jjust as bad a case of bloat as KDE, just a different emphasis |
| 01:38.39 | Jambon | guerin: k so i''ll do that. but to completely remove kde and it's little buggers that come with it, what's the sure-fire way to make sure it ALL goes away. i've done a purge before, but it seems to leave some residue nonetheless |
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| 01:38.45 | Wyzard | If there are two routes available to a given host or network, is there a way to set one of them as "preferred" so it's always used when available? |
| 01:38.51 | linux_learner | i was asking questions for him |
| 01:38.56 | rdancer | linux_learner: what was it? |
| 01:39.05 | linux_learner | this channel has some really good ppl here |
| 01:39.07 | Wyzard | I'm thinking specifically of a laptop with both wireless and wired cards, where the wired card should be "preferred" |
| 01:39.09 | ceige | Does anybody know if Debian supports Nvidia drivers? |
| 01:39.12 | Caelum | heh |
| 01:39.12 | Nemesis__ | Wyzard: never done it, but im fairly sure you can weight interfaces |
| 01:39.13 | angelgabriel | Guerin: i still need to enter my password and username, and I can also set it up so that it will only accept certain users - but i've used sniffers on networks before, getting passwords, isnt hard at all |
| 01:39.15 | linux_learner | rdancer, it was the setuid prob |
| 01:39.20 | linux_learner | the su prob |
| 01:39.20 | Nemesis__ | Wyzard: or route.. yer.. |
| 01:39.34 | faw | Guerin, at least GNOME is clear on its license! :) |
| 01:39.36 | rdancer | Wyzard: sure. |
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| 01:39.47 | Guerin | Jambon: yeah, don;t worry about the residue. Just apt-get update ; apt-get --purge remove kde ; apt-get install kde-core |
| 01:40.00 | factotum | i was going to attempt to get ATI's new driver going but then I though, Im running a 7500, why bother heh.. |
| 01:40.07 | Guerin | faw: and kde isn't? How doe sit get more clear then GPL? |
| 01:40.12 | Guerin | s/then/than/ |
| 01:40.20 | faw | QT? |
| 01:40.24 | faw | Guerin, QT? |
| 01:40.32 | Caelum | if you have esound running, is this supposed to work: esddsp cat foo.au > /dev/audio |
| 01:40.52 | ceige | Who can tell me if Debian supports Nvidia graphics drivers? |
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| 01:40.56 | rdancer | Wyzard: there are packages that manage multiple ip configurations |
| 01:41.00 | Wyzard | Nemesis__, rdancer: When I insert both the wired and wireless cards in my laptop, I get duplicate entries in my routing table, but the order in which they apear depends on the order in which the cards are inserted |
| 01:41.05 | rdancer | Wyzard: use apt-cache. |
| 01:41.21 | Guerin | angelgabriel: yeah, sniffing passwords shouldn't be an issue over https, but the problems are more about ease-of-destruction, etc. And then there's the bad adminning habits... |
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| 01:41.29 | Guerin | faw: QT != KDE |
| 01:41.34 | Caelum | Wyzard: you can set the weight of the route higher for the wired card using an up command in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:41.39 | Caelum | Wyzard: see man interfaces |
| 01:41.48 | Guerin | faw: surely I don't have to explain this to you... |
| 01:41.59 | Neemz | is Knoppix better then Mandrake Move ? |
| 01:42.21 | Remjey | ceige: i'm using them right now, but they're quite unstable... especialy with overlay and 3d. |
| 01:42.28 | Guerin | Neemz: probably; ask in #knoppix and #mandrake and #linux and #linuxhelp |
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| 01:42.34 | rdancer | ceige: debian doesn't support non-free software, or any software that's not a part of debian |
| 01:42.35 | Guerin | Neemz: we care about neither in here |
| 01:42.42 | Wyzard | Caelum: What would I be setting? (I know about the "metric" entry in the routing table, but according to the manpage, that isn't used except by routing daemons) |
| 01:42.43 | angelgabriel | How do i check that local lookups are being performed, rather than lookups using the DNS of the subnet? |
| 01:42.56 | Guerin | rdancer: it supports non-free software within debian, though |
| 01:43.09 | ceige | rdancer: I'm not talking about any non-free software. The Hardware, the card, cost money. The driver is free download off the site |
| 01:43.14 | khadrin_ | if my computer has a parallel port should /proc/sys/dev/parport exist? (sarge running 2.4.25) |
| 01:43.17 | rdancer | ceige: in fact, many people hate non-free and many people will help you with it. |
| 01:43.26 | Guerin | !tell ceige about free software |
| 01:43.27 | ceige | rdancer: what are you talking about? |
| 01:43.34 | rdancer | !non-free |
| 01:43.34 | dpkg | hmm... non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianers would rather not use it. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html or tack non-free to the end of your usual "main" source to install stuff like navigator. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines, or #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 01:43.49 | Caelum | Wyzard: the interface for the default route |
| 01:44.03 | Caelum | Wyzard: you might want to look at the routing options in the kernel too |
| 01:44.05 | ceige | rdancer: I'm not talking about non-free software? Wth is this? |
| 01:44.16 | faw | Guerin, sure you don't... :) |
| 01:44.21 | nof | hey can anyone help me i'm having trouble getting X to run at resolutions above 640x480 |
| 01:44.21 | Guerin | ceige: nvidiia drivers are non-free sowftware |
| 01:44.30 | Wyzard | Caelum: Actually, when I insert both cards, I get two default routes :-) |
| 01:44.36 | Guerin | faw: so why the strawman? |
| 01:44.51 | Guerin | nof: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 01:45.03 | ceige | Remjey: how are they not stable. What happens? |
| 01:45.14 | Wyzard | Caelum: But AFAIK the default route's interface doesn't matter -- what matters is the gateway, which is then looked up separately to see which interface should be used to reach it |
| 01:45.25 | matteJ | Anyone who want to help me get my Debian Sarge install? My network card just screw up |
| 01:45.25 | faw | Guerin, no problem! :o) |
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| 01:45.45 | ceige | guerin: why is that? They come with the hardware. And don't tell me you hate non-free hardware? |
| 01:45.45 | Caelum | Wyzard: the default route is the gateway |
| 01:45.49 | Guerin | matteJ: what's the problem, precisely? |
| 01:45.57 | rdancer | ceige: problems googling for define:free software, heh? |
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| 01:46.15 | Guerin | ceige: or jjust following the gnu.org links... |
| 01:46.17 | Wyzard | Caelum: The default route specifies the IP of the gateway... how to reach the gateway is determined by a different route |
| 01:46.24 | matteJ | Guerin: I have a nforce2 network card on my mothercard, but the debian sarge install won't fix so it can be working |
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| 01:46.49 | Guerin | matteJ: I'm not even sure an nforce2 eth card will work in gnu/linux |
| 01:46.53 | ceige | so what is your defenition of a 'free' driver? |
| 01:47.01 | Remjey | ceige: i'm talking about non-free drivers caught on nvidia website. i can't say more than they are simply unstable, and crash the computer sometimes while using overlay (with xawtv or even mplayer) or playing with an opengl game. the nv driver bundled with xfree86 seems to be way more stable, however it doesn't provide hardware 3d acceleration support |
| 01:47.02 | Caelum | Wyzard: there's the route for the network address and the default gw.... if both cards are on the same network, then I guess it uses the first one |
| 01:47.17 | Guerin | matteJ: do you know what chipset the card uses? lspci |grep -i eth should tell you |
| 01:47.20 | matteJ | Guerin: It works but just in 2.6.x, the install recognizes it and so, but it will not work |
| 01:47.27 | Caelum | Wyzard: you could have the wired interface bring down the wireless interface when it's up too |
| 01:47.44 | Guerin | matteJ: ok, so it does work. What do you mean by "in 2.6.x?" |
| 01:47.44 | ceige | remjey: it's percisely the 3d support that I need |
| 01:47.51 | ceige | remjey: thanks for the heads up |
| 01:48.00 | mickeyks | anyone know a good mirror for an openoffice .deb? the ones at linux-debian, the #debian dpkg message, and #debian-oo are no help |
| 01:48.16 | Caelum | mickeyks: apt-get install openoffice? |
| 01:48.19 | matteJ | Guerin: my network card just work in 2.6 kernel, not 2.4 |
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| 01:48.30 | Guerin | mickeyks: OO.o is in debian proper - you can get it with apt from your friendly local mirror |
| 01:48.31 | matteJ | My network card uses the forcedeth module |
| 01:48.41 | mickeyks | oh |
| 01:48.46 | NorthCali | can someone help me? i was so close to installing Slackware on my desktop...i partitioned in fdisk...started installing ALL the packages but towards the end it said not enough space for some of the packages...than when it was wall complete.....it wouldnt allow me to choose my kernel.....i booted slackware after everything was done but it didnt work |
| 01:48.49 | mickeyks | it's in sarge? |
| 01:48.51 | Remjey | ceige: then you might use an ATI card, they're getting cheaper and there are free drivers bundled with xfree86 that support 3d if my memory is good |
| 01:48.52 | Guerin | matteJ: modprobe forcedeth? |
| 01:49.03 | Guerin | !info openoffice.org sarge |
| 01:49.07 | dpkg | openoffice.org: (high-quality office productivity suite), section editors, is optional. Version: 1.1.1-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 6811 kB, Installed size: 29136 kB |
| 01:49.12 | Penix | NorthCali: does this look like #slackware? |
| 01:49.12 | matteJ | it doesn't work |
| 01:49.32 | Caelum | mickeyks: dunno, it's definitely in sid |
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| 01:49.53 | factotum | yea i was playing neverwinter nights with default ati driver, well, if thats 3D or not I guess would give some validity to that |
| 01:50.11 | Guerin | matteJ: what happpens when you do ifup eth0? |
| 01:50.12 | matteJ | Guerin: Now I will wrote the error message in the install |
| 01:50.15 | mickeyks | Caelum: no installation candidate in sarge |
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| 01:50.33 | matteJ | I haven't tried it yet because thos shit come up |
| 01:50.35 | Guerin | mickeyks: try another mirror |
| 01:50.36 | Caelum | mickeyks: err... it's openoffice.org |
| 01:50.50 | mickeyks | oh |
| 01:51.01 | Caelum | mickeyks: /msg dpkg find openoffice sarge or http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 01:51.02 | Guerin | !moron mickeyks |
| 01:51.02 | dpkg | mickeyks: You are moron #39 |
| 01:51.07 | Guerin | mickeyks: did you not see the factoid above? |
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| 01:51.28 | mickeyks | i'd just like to take this moment to thank #s 1-38 for making me look good |
| 01:51.52 | matteJ | Linux kernel modules needed to drive som of your hardware are not availible yet. Simply proceeding with the install may make these modules available later. The unavailable modules, and the devices that need them are: forcedeth (NVIDIA Corporation nForce2 Ethernet Controller) |
| 01:52.06 | ceige | remjey: I might but I'm a little tight on cash right now... I think I might just move back to redhat9. It's one of the most stable platforms I've worked on. And it supports my card. |
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| 01:52.36 | matteJ | Guerin: ? |
| 01:52.39 | Guerin | matteJ: ok, when did that happen? |
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| 01:54.05 | matteJ | I came back to the meny to choose load installer components from cd |
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| 01:54.08 | rdancer | Wyzard: just get one of those multiple-configurations-managers |
| 01:54.08 | rdancer | Wyzard: there are probably quite a few ceavets that you may come across with these setups |
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| 01:54.23 | Guerin | matteJ: when did you get that error? during install, I presume. Have you now finished the install and rebooted? |
| 01:54.45 | mickeyks | what's the name of that package that can be used to check on whether anything's broken in sarge? |
| 01:54.46 | matteJ | It says no ethernet card found |
| 01:55.10 | matteJ | i install it again now |
| 01:55.19 | matteJ | during the install i get it |
| 01:56.22 | Caelum | there's always something broken |
| 01:56.25 | Guerin | matteJ: look, I'm not familiar with the sarge install process. I installed debian months ago. It seems like you're halfway through an install - if so, finish the install and reboot - you may (as the message said) get more options after it's finished... |
| 01:56.29 | khadrin_ | im getting "lp: driver loaded but no devices found" on boot..sarge w. 2.4.25 kernel..any ideas? |
| 01:56.36 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: What do you mean by "broken"? There is apt-listbugs, which checks for RC bugs on packages you upgrade. And there is the Package Tracking System. |
| 01:56.43 | matteJ | okay |
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| 01:57.06 | D_Dreamer | hi, my 10g hdd running debian is dying. which is the nicest way to shift the stuff over to my 40g? |
| 01:57.08 | JoshTriplett | khadrin: Printer? You also need a low-level hardware driver, either parallel port or usb. |
| 01:57.12 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: apt-listbugs, that's what i was thinking of, thanks |
| 01:57.29 | Guerin | D_Dreamer: man cp |
| 01:57.35 | JoshTriplett | D_Dreamer: Put both in the same system, and copy the files over. |
| 01:57.46 | rdancer | khadrin_: enable the lpt in bios |
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| 01:58.00 | matteJ | Guerin: Let me see if it will work afterwards |
| 01:58.03 | D_Dreamer | guerin & JoshTriplett : linux is not fussy about the raw sectors where the stuff are? how about LILO? |
| 01:58.15 | Guerin | matteJ: I will let you, yes... |
| 01:58.25 | JoshTriplett | D_Dreamer: You need to rerun the LILO installer (/sbin/lilo). |
| 01:58.36 | rdancer | khadrin_: D_Dreamer dd(1) |
| 01:58.47 | JoshTriplett | D_Dreamer: Or use a bootloader like GRUB that understands the filesystem. |
| 01:58.53 | rdancer | s/khadrin_: // |
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| 01:59.08 | mickeyks | there is a lot of lilo hatred in the world |
| 01:59.16 | D_Dreamer | ok so copying everything over will preserve my mysql DBs and qmail queues i'll be happy |
| 01:59.20 | Guerin | mickeyks: it's not hatred, it's pity |
| 01:59.23 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: The drive size is different. |
| 01:59.24 | rdancer | !start boot loader war |
| 01:59.34 | _jon_ | grub grub grub |
| 01:59.36 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: plus ext2resize |
| 01:59.40 | khadrin_ | ok i thought it might be a bios thing but its my friends thinkpad and it has the most hideous bios i have ever seen |
| 01:59.43 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: You would then need to resize the filesystem. |
| 01:59.53 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: Yes, or resize2fs. |
| 02:00.04 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: whatever. |
| 02:00.18 | umea | hi, do I have to use 2.4.x kernel images if I am to use termserv.berlios.de/debian repository to install ltsp? |
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| 02:00.19 | ddreamer | ok thanks guys, i'm going into MC to copy the stuff over |
| 02:00.29 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: Well, I just trust resize2fs more because it's from the same author as the ext2 filesystem. |
| 02:00.33 | JoshTriplett | ddreamer: Wait. |
| 02:00.35 | Guerin | umea: how should we know? |
| 02:00.54 | JoshTriplett | ddreamer: Be sure you preserve permissions, ownership, and other stuff. Use "cp -a". |
| 02:01.06 | mickeyks | ooh, MC |
| 02:01.07 | rdancer | ddreamer: not a good idea |
| 02:01.14 | umea | there might be someone who have installed ltsp Guerin |
| 02:01.26 | rdancer | ddreamer: as JoshTriplett said. |
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| 02:01.38 | ddreamer | cp -a it is |
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| 02:01.48 | ddreamer | putty time |
| 02:02.00 | Guerin | umea: but what gives you the impression it requires a given kernel? The docs for the package should say one way or another. You have read them, haven't you? |
| 02:02.30 | JoshTriplett | ddreamer: Heh. When I still used Windows, I could type in "http://chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty" off the top of my head. |
| 02:02.40 | umea | Guerin, why don't you just keep quiet if you do not have any intention to help |
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| 02:03.02 | Guerin | umea: I do have intention to help. You have read the docs, right? If you haven;'t you should... |
| 02:03.13 | Guerin | umea: if you have, then just say so... |
| 02:03.33 | rdancer | !bofh umea |
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| 02:03.50 | ddreamer | JoshTriplett: u can just type "download putty" and google get lucky u know ;) |
| 02:03.56 | Guerin | !u |
| 02:03.56 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 |
| 02:04.01 | JoshTriplett | ddreamer: True. |
| 02:04.07 | hippie | ddreamer: heck, just 'putty' for that matter :) |
| 02:04.28 | marmot | If I want to try out debian is 3.0 Woody stable the way to go? |
| 02:04.37 | mickeyks | marmot: yes |
| 02:04.37 | Guerin | marmot: depends what you want it for |
| 02:04.58 | Guerin | marmot: for a desktop, you might be better off with sarge (testing) |
| 02:05.00 | rdancer | marmot: no |
| 02:05.11 | mickeyks | marmot: how new are you to linux? |
| 02:05.27 | marmot | long time user. Mostly Redhat, Mandrake, Fedora |
| 02:05.34 | marmot | tried debian 2.2 once |
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| 02:05.55 | Guerin | !tell marmot about d-i |
| 02:06.15 | Guerin | !tell marmot about ig |
| 02:06.31 | mickeyks | marmot: getting woody first and then upgrading is the easiest way to install anyway, so you might as well try woody first |
| 02:06.34 | Guerin | marmot: that should have you pretty well kitted out |
| 02:06.45 | marmot | thx guys |
| 02:06.46 | Guerin | mickeyks: even easier than sarge installer? |
| 02:07.01 | crackwhore | !tell crackwhore about d-i |
| 02:07.12 | Guerin | !tell crackwhore about /msg |
| 02:07.13 | rdancer | marmot: just realize woody is ~2.5years old, and for a purpose. |
| 02:07.15 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Not easier, but d-i doesn't always work. |
| 02:07.21 | crackwhore | !tell crackwhore about ig |
| 02:07.27 | mickeyks | Guerin: i dunno actually. haven't used it |
| 02:07.31 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: ah, is that right... |
| 02:07.34 | jms | 1;2c/quit |
| 02:07.57 | marmot | rdancer, is woody still maintained for security updates etc. |
| 02:08.01 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Use d-i if you don't mind reporting bugs on the installer. If you want an installer that will always _work_, even if it is a manual process, use b-f. |
| 02:08.01 | Guerin | I haven't either. I'll play with it if I happen across a spare box sometime though |
| 02:08.08 | crackwhore | !tell Guerin duh |
| 02:08.21 | rdancer | marmot: only woody is *maintained* securitywise |
| 02:08.23 | crackwhore | :) |
| 02:08.24 | Guerin | !moron crackwhore |
| 02:08.24 | dpkg | crackwhore: You are moron #77 |
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| 02:08.43 | crackwhore | !moron Guerin |
| 02:08.44 | dpkg | Guerin: You are moron #73 |
| 02:08.50 | rdancer | marmot: the other flavours lag a bit with security updates |
| 02:08.50 | crackwhore | heh |
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| 02:09.15 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Yeah, I test d-i on a 200MHz Pentium. With MMX Technology, even. |
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| 02:09.21 | marmot | rdancer, ok so even though old. Woody is still the offical supported version |
| 02:09.33 | JoshTriplett | marmot: Exactly. |
| 02:09.39 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: heh. I run sid on my p2-233 :) |
| 02:09.46 | cobalt | Hi. My sound card doesn't seem to be detected on boot, but running alsaconf finds it just find (but can't seem to turn it on) - any ideas? |
| 02:09.56 | JoshTriplett | marmot: Plus, some businesses running servers _want_ something that only changes every few years. |
| 02:10.05 | cobalt | Ahh, evil xchat |
| 02:10.07 | marmot | ok, sounds like thats what I'm looking for. I'll start with Woody and see what happens. |
| 02:10.10 | cobalt | Hi. My sound card doesn't seem to be detected on boot, but running alsaconf finds it just find (but can't seem to turn it on) - any ideas? |
| 02:10.20 | JoshTriplett | marmot: That's why they use Red Hat Advanced Server; it changes about that often. |
| 02:10.20 | rdancer | marmot: well, the upside is it really *is* stable. period. |
| 02:10.46 | JoshTriplett | cobalt: Wait a few minutes before asking questions repeatedly. And read the FAQ, which says that. |
| 02:10.51 | cobalt | sorry. |
| 02:10.52 | marmot | cool |
| 02:11.17 | Guerin | cobalt: what sound card? |
| 02:11.25 | marmot | I wonder if I'm lost. This channel is too friendly to be #debian ;) |
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| 02:11.26 | Guerin | s/what/which/ |
| 02:11.29 | marmot | thanks again guy =s |
| 02:11.34 | marmot | guys |
| 02:11.36 | cobalt | fortissimo III - usually detected as a crystal dusion something or other |
| 02:11.38 | Guerin | marmot: you;re not asking stupid enough questions... |
| 02:11.42 | JoshTriplett | marmot: I used Woody for quite a while, then added a Sid chroot, then just recently moved it to its own partition so I could boot it directly. |
| 02:11.44 | vladkao | the only bad thing about new kernels is the reboot :( |
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| 02:11.55 | marmot | Guerin, lol |
| 02:11.57 | rdancer | marmot: the downside is many now-common techniques didn't exist then. openoffice, p2p, 802.11g, ... |
| 02:12.03 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Look up "Two kernel monte" |
| 02:12.12 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: aka kexec. |
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| 02:12.32 | vladkao | ok |
| 02:12.38 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: True. Then again, even sid doesn't support 802.11g. |
| 02:12.42 | Guerin | cobalt: so alsaconf detects it, but won't install kernel modules for it? |
| 02:13.00 | cdg | What is my computer architecture? How can I find out what it is? |
| 02:13.08 | mickeyks | !kexec |
| 02:13.13 | mickeyks | hrm |
| 02:13.13 | rdancer | cdg: uname -a |
| 02:13.14 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: The only supported chipset I know of is the prism54, and it requires firmware. |
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| 02:13.21 | cdg | rdancer: thanks |
| 02:13.22 | mickeyks | !define kexec |
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| 02:13.38 | cobalt | guerin - it said it was raising the volume, but alsactl says "no sound cards found" |
| 02:13.38 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: firmware is just a different thing. |
| 02:13.40 | shekhjha | I want to run dhcp3-server, which tcp/udp ports should enable? |
| 02:13.50 | JoshTriplett | cdg: PC == i386 . Apple == PowerPC (or Really_old_apple == m68k) |
| 02:13.55 | Guerin | cobalt: does alsamixer run? |
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| 02:14.01 | cobalt | lemme check |
| 02:14.02 | JoshTriplett | cdg: If you use anything else, you already know. |
| 02:14.08 | cobalt | guerin - no |
| 02:14.14 | cdg | rdancer: i386 it is, gracias senor |
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| 02:14.18 | Guerin | cobalt: freakshow |
| 02:14.24 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: I just mean, the driver isn't in Sid and isn't likely to be anytime soon. |
| 02:14.29 | Guerin | cobalt: lsmod |grep snd |
| 02:14.31 | cobalt | guerin thanks, I try |
| 02:14.37 | Guerin | cobalt: what output do you get? |
| 02:14.40 | cdg | joshtriplett: ok, thanks |
| 02:15.06 | Chet | Okay, I have a complicated question. Would anyone know how I would get ppc-debian to boot and run fully off a usb drive? |
| 02:15.26 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: but 2.6 + hotplug should handle it.. though i didn't really make it work |
| 02:15.27 | rdancer | cdg: da nada |
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| 02:15.27 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: what's the kernel in sid? |
| 02:15.27 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: ah, now i recall, it isn't in linux proper, is it.. |
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| 02:15.27 | Guerin | cobalt: don't paste, summarise |
| 02:15.27 | cobalt | guerin - quite a bit |
| 02:15.38 | justaguy | http://erudition.calyptos.com needs some more people, forums are getting empty. check it out |
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| 02:15.48 | FieldySnuts | spammer |
| 02:15.52 | cobalt | there's the cs46xx at the top, with a few other codecs, pcm, timer, gameport and soundcore |
| 02:15.54 | FieldySnuts | alindeman_: spammer ho (justaguy) |
| 02:15.55 | boston | hello |
| 02:16.03 | alindeman_ | Hmpf |
| 02:16.10 | matteJ | Guerin: It worked after reboot |
| 02:16.10 | matteJ | ;) |
| 02:16.10 | mickeyks | what's the GNU version of excel |
| 02:16.10 | matteJ | But now a question, is it unstable or testing or sarge or what am I going to write in sources.list |
| 02:16.19 | boston | anybody knows how make money from internet |
| 02:16.23 | peterS | mickeyks: closest thing would probably be gnumeric |
| 02:16.26 | FieldySnuts | heh. go away |
| 02:16.27 | alindeman_ | FieldySnuts: Done! :) |
| 02:16.29 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: Actually, it was integrated, so it might be in sid. |
| 02:16.30 | peterS | boston: pr0n |
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| 02:16.50 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks, peterS: Actually, the _closest_ thing would be OpenOffice.org Calc. |
| 02:16.51 | FieldySnuts | alindeman_: ermeril style BAAAAM! |
| 02:16.55 | Guerin | matteJ: huzzah |
| 02:17.00 | alindeman_ | Hehehe |
| 02:17.02 | peterS | JoshTriplett: that's closer to excel than gnumeric is? |
| 02:17.03 | boston | any body knows a channel for business |
| 02:17.04 | ddreamer | peterS: make virii and anti-virus |
| 02:17.05 | rdancer | boston: blackmail |
| 02:17.10 | FieldySnuts | rdancer: heh |
| 02:17.14 | crackwhore | JoshTriplett: that's GNU? |
| 02:17.20 | JoshTriplett | peterS: More compatible, and more of the same features. |
| 02:17.21 | FieldySnuts | @spank boston |
| 02:17.30 | Guerin | cobalt: run modconf, and go through the sound section looking for other modules relating to your card/chipset |
| 02:17.37 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: huh. That didn't seem to come with my openoffice.org install |
| 02:17.38 | rdancer | !make money from boston |
| 02:17.42 | JoshTriplett | crackwhore: Well, GPL. GNU would imply that it is run by the FSF. |
| 02:17.47 | boston | how |
| 02:18.02 | crackwhore | :) |
| 02:18.02 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: If you have openoffice.org installed, try "oocalc". |
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| 02:18.05 | cobalt | guerin - you run that in /usr/src/linux? |
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| 02:18.22 | Guerin | neither oocalc or gnumeric do certain very useful things which excel does |
| 02:18.31 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Like? |
| 02:18.37 | Guerin | cobalt: no, just modconf as root - you might need to install it through apt |
| 02:18.40 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Aside from crashing, I mean. |
| 02:18.44 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: ah, i do have it, it was just on the math menu |
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| 02:19.08 | rdancer | Guerin: you surely mean that wolfenstein-like-thing in excel '99! |
| 02:19.09 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: Oh, I thought all of OO.o was in the top level "Office" menu. |
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| 02:19.34 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: Or the flight simulator in excel 97. Wolfenstein? |
| 02:19.45 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: I don't know the terminology, my wife is the one who complains about it - embedding a drop-down box in a cell, and having it look up a list on another page of the same spreadsheet, and return values based on that list |
| 02:19.48 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: That's going a bit far with an easter egg. |
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| 02:20.04 | nekrataal | Anyone knows how to use wine??? |
| 02:20.04 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: i'm in fluxbox, maybe that makes a difference. i have no top-level office menu |
| 02:20.04 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: you walked among walls. the *old* wolf ;) |
| 02:20.04 | cobalt | guerin - holy cow I'm loading enough modules for 20 computers - do I have to turn them off one by one? |
| 02:20.09 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Submit a bug. That sounds useful. |
| 02:20.10 | FieldySnuts | #wine does |
| 02:20.19 | nekrataal | there is no one in there.. |
| 02:20.28 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: OK. In KDE and GNOME, it is. |
| 02:20.32 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: Yeah, it is useful... I'll look into it |
| 02:20.34 | rdancer | !seen holycow |
| 02:20.36 | dpkg | holycow <~yada@S0106002078ccd651.vf.shawcable.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 3d 16h 7m 52s ago, saying: 'indigoid, what about subversion?'. |
| 02:20.39 | Guerin | #winehq |
| 02:20.46 | joycea | how can I prevent expansion of the $Id keyword when checking a file into RCS? |
| 02:20.48 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: oh. my computer is too slow to use those |
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| 02:21.16 | Guerin | cobalt: don't load everything, just look around, see if there are any likely candidates |
| 02:21.25 | Guerin | mickeyks: how slow? |
| 02:21.30 | cdg | I'm trying to get the install docs off of http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual which one is right for my computer? i386 is not one of the options. |
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| 02:21.45 | JoshTriplett | nekrataal: apt-get install wine winesetuptk . Run winesetuptk. Run "wine theprogram.exe". Hope that it works. |
| 02:21.47 | Guerin | cdg: x86 |
| 02:21.58 | mickeyks | Guerin: about 500MHz |
| 02:22.08 | cdg | guerin: all right, thanks |
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| 02:22.14 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: That should be fast enough. |
| 02:22.18 | cobalt | guerin - aha, found the one for my sound card, looks like it's not loaded - I'll reboot and hopefully things will work - thanks! |
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| 02:22.30 | boston | hello |
| 02:22.32 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: i also don't have much Ram |
| 02:22.32 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: Depends more on if your video card has 2D acceleration than on your processor speed. |
| 02:22.33 | Guerin | mickeyks: fshaw! Until last week, I had kde on my 233 laptop, and it was perfectly usable... |
| 02:22.36 | Guerin | cobalt: nooo |
| 02:22.38 | boston | anybody from boston |
| 02:22.40 | cobalt | no? |
| 02:22.41 | rdancer | mickeyks: RAM is what's important |
| 02:22.42 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: And on that. |
| 02:22.42 | Guerin | cobalt: don't reboot |
| 02:22.46 | cobalt | k, no rebooting. |
| 02:22.48 | cdg | "This document contains installation instructions for the Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 system, for the Intel x86 (``i386'') architecture." :) |
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| 02:22.57 | JoshTriplett | cdg: Bingo. |
| 02:23.08 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: i'm pretty sure my video card has 3D acceleration |
| 02:23.15 | Guerin | mickeyks: and I still have kde running on my 500 celery in the other room |
| 02:23.29 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: How much RAM? |
| 02:23.43 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: And what card? |
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| 02:23.55 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: free says: 379468 |
| 02:24.22 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: More than me. |
| 02:24.33 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: And KDE feels zippy to me. |
| 02:24.39 | cobalt | Guerin, why was I not rebooting? |
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| 02:24.43 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: sis 530/620 PCI/AGP BGA Display adapter reva3 |
| 02:24.43 | cdg | :) |
| 02:24.51 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: Of course the 64MB Radeon 7500 has _nothing_ to do with that... |
| 02:24.52 | rdancer | !rtfm |
| 02:24.52 | dpkg | [rtfm] Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 02:24.55 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: then i'm doing something wrong, but i don't know what |
| 02:24.58 | Guerin | the min specs for KDE are about a 166 with 96, from my usage ... and I ran it for months on 233/128 |
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| 02:25.22 | cdg | guerin: what does RTFM stand for? |
| 02:25.26 | Guerin | cobalt: you don't need to. Just probe the module, and try things. If it didn't work, rebooting won't help |
| 02:25.31 | rdancer | cdg: ^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:25.32 | Guerin | cdg: ^^ |
| 02:25.33 | cdg | Rotting Tomatoes From my Mouth |
| 02:25.36 | JoshTriplett | cdg: He just had dpkg answer that for you. |
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| 02:25.41 | cobalt | ah |
| 02:25.48 | cdg | doh |
| 02:25.55 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: I'd be glad to help, if you really want to run KDE. |
| 02:26.02 | Guerin | cdg: nono, the RTFM Award is a GOOD thing |
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| 02:26.08 | mickeyks | i haven't tried kde lately, but i did have gnome when i was in woody, and it was even more sluggish than x with blackbox |
| 02:26.11 | mickeyks | er, fluxbox |
| 02:26.30 | JoshTriplett | cdg: He's saying, thanks for actually reading the manual, instead of later asking questions that are answered in the manual. |
| 02:26.39 | Guerin | mickeyks: I use XFCE4 - a nice medium betwen stark minimalism and bloated luxury |
| 02:26.47 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: i don't even know enough about kde to desire it, and the problem is probably bigger than that |
| 02:26.57 | mickeyks | Guerin: fluxbox is pretty minimalistic... |
| 02:27.04 | Kemp_ | i have HT processor should i use multiprocessor kernel (SMP?) ? |
| 02:27.09 | Guerin | Kemp_: no |
| 02:27.13 | JoshTriplett | Kemp_: Yes. |
| 02:27.17 | rdancer | cdg: it's kind of a maturity level. now you proved to be able to rtfm. |
| 02:27.20 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: ?? |
| 02:27.20 | FieldySnuts | yes, you should |
| 02:27.21 | mickeyks | for a while i was using opera instead of firefox just because it uses less memory |
| 02:27.30 | JoshTriplett | Kemp_: Use a recent kernel. |
| 02:27.36 | crackwhore | yes to SMP |
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| 02:28.08 | crackwhore | HT shows at 2 procs |
| 02:28.11 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: HT is basically treated like SMP, except you do some additional stuff to be smart about using both processors at once. |
| 02:28.31 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: so, even wwith one proc, it's function like SMP? |
| 02:28.31 | dan2 | bob2? |
| 02:28.35 | Guerin | Like software SMP? |
| 02:28.42 | crackwhore | hardware |
| 02:28.55 | mickeyks | what package is "lpc" part of? |
| 02:28.59 | Jimmy1 | Hello everyone. I am using 'dselect' to update my packages and when I go to install the program keeps stopping with errors at uw-imapd. Says "package is in a very bad inconsistent state" |
| 02:29.00 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: For example, know that if you have 2 processes, and 2 HT processors (4 total), you should put them on different physical processors. |
| 02:29.02 | Jimmy1 | How an I get aroudn this? |
| 02:29.02 | Kemp_ | JoshTriplett define rect kernel ? |
| 02:29.05 | peterS | mickeyks: that's a print spooler thing |
| 02:29.11 | peterS | mickeyks: I think it's provided by multiple print spool packages |
| 02:29.13 | umea | mickeyks, lprng I guess |
| 02:29.16 | peterS | mickeyks: probably the one you want is 'cupsys-client' |
| 02:29.20 | dan2 | peterS: hey |
| 02:29.21 | rdancer | !tell mickeyks about apt-file |
| 02:29.26 | peterS | dan2: hey |
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| 02:29.34 | mickeyks | peterS: that's ok...i don't have a printer anyway |
| 02:29.45 | cdg | I tend to tune dpkg out, hope you had a good laugh |
| 02:29.45 | cdg | guerin: thank you :) |
| 02:29.53 | JoshTriplett | Kemp_: The more recent, the better it will handle the HT processors. You could use any SMP-capable kernel, but only recent ones are smart about HT. |
| 02:29.56 | peterS | hmmm, lpc is also the implementation language of LPMud |
| 02:30.07 | Guerin | cdg: heh, no problem |
| 02:30.12 | dan2 | peterS: gnustep rocks! |
| 02:30.22 | peterS | dan2: if you say so |
| 02:30.29 | dan2 | peterS: http://mirrorlynx.com/~dan/Convert-0.9.9.tar.gz |
| 02:30.36 | peterS | dan2: what's that? |
| 02:30.55 | Kemp_ | JoshTriplett is 2.4.25 recent enought ? |
| 02:31.10 | rdancer | Kemp_: 2.4.25 is a security hole |
| 02:31.15 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Think about the overhead of context switches. Now imagine that you could treat one processor as two separate contexts, even though it doesn't have two execution engines. |
| 02:31.24 | Kemp_ | which one should i use then ? |
| 02:31.29 | dan2 | peterS: a small conversion program written in objc/gnustep |
| 02:31.34 | JoshTriplett | Kemp_: 2.4.26 should work, and 2.6.6 is even better |
| 02:31.37 | rdancer | !kernel |
| 02:31.38 | peterS | dan2: conversion from what to what? |
| 02:31.38 | dan2 | peterS: objc > c++ :) |
| 02:31.45 | Kemp_ | what about 2.6.7 ? |
| 02:31.51 | dan2 | peterS: standard F<->C |
| 02:31.56 | Jimmy1 | Anyone have any ideas on why dselect is choking on um-imapd? |
| 02:31.59 | JoshTriplett | Kemp_: That works too, but it isn't packaged yet. |
| 02:32.00 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: right, so despite there being one physical processor, it's capable of performing two taks independently, and is therefore effectively two processors? |
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| 02:32.02 | dan2 | peterS: I don't know the kelvin formula off hand |
| 02:32.04 | Kemp_ | i see |
| 02:32.05 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: 2.6.6 is a security hole, too, ain't it? |
| 02:32.10 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: choking how? |
| 02:32.12 | peterS | dan2: ahhh. sort of the mathematical equivalent of hello world? |
| 02:32.16 | dondelelcaro | rdancer: local dos, actually. |
| 02:32.21 | peterS | dan2: kelvin = C + 273 or so |
| 02:32.27 | Guerin | rdancer: only if you give sshells to people who don't fear you |
| 02:32.31 | dondelelcaro | .15 something... |
| 02:32.31 | cobalt | guerin - all I see in here is oss stuff and the drivers for my sound card, what else is there? |
| 02:32.36 | peterS | dondelelcaro: yeah |
| 02:32.38 | crackwhore | JoshTriplett: isn't a context switch usermode to kernelmode and vice versa? |
| 02:32.42 | Eclipser | peterS, 273.15, afaik |
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| 02:32.47 | dan2 | peterS: yes, my mathematical equivalent :) |
| 02:32.48 | rdancer | dondelelcaro: oh, yes. |
| 02:32.51 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: I think you mean, "Jimmy1: choking how?" |
| 02:33.05 | dan2 | peterS: gnustep is much nicer to interface than gtk tho |
| 02:33.06 | Caelum | where does gnome launch esd from? |
| 02:33.11 | JoshTriplett | Well, I mean a context switch between processes. |
| 02:33.12 | g4lt | no, JoshTriplett, you're supposed to know |
| 02:33.13 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: rr, yes. Too many Jsomething nicks in there. |
| 02:33.18 | peterS | dan2: if you say so. I'm pretty fond of gtk |
| 02:33.19 | Jimmy1 | dondel: dselect aborts. |
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| 02:33.24 | Guerin | cobalt: I don't know your specific card, sorry - a google search or a look at the alsa docs/site/wiki should tell you just what modules to use |
| 02:33.24 | dan2 | peterS: like thinks like this, [fahrtemp setFloatValue: Fahrenheit]; |
| 02:33.36 | mickeyks | i like dselect more than aptitude |
| 02:33.38 | dondelelcaro | Jimmy1: aborts how? segV? or what? |
| 02:33.45 | cobalt | guerin - alsaconf tells me to use cs46xx, and it's installed |
| 02:33.46 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: Yes, a local crash. |
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| 02:33.49 | dan2 | peterS: [receiver message: argument1] :) |
| 02:33.53 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: See topic. |
| 02:34.04 | cobalt | guerin - the mixer fails to activate for some reason. |
| 02:34.10 | dan2 | peterS: dynamically typed gives some interesting benefits |
| 02:34.13 | Jimmy1 | dondel: Tell me that um-imapd is unstable and that I should reinstall before removing... |
| 02:34.15 | peterS | dan2: oh right, object methods, but using a message paradigm |
| 02:34.20 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: yap; i know. |
| 02:34.22 | Jimmy1 | dondel: Have tried it several times. |
| 02:34.33 | dondelelcaro | Jimmy1: so just dpkg -i it, then try to remove it. |
| 02:34.38 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 02:34.46 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> http://linuxreviews.org/news/2004-06-11_kernel_crash/index.html -- fixed in 2.6.7 | READ THE FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki | READ THE BTS (/msg dpkg bts) | Paste in #flood NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg gnome settings daemon | BORKED: anything that depends on libcurl #252442; | /msg dpkg gnome2.6 | Debian is not Knoppix. |
| 02:34.47 | dan2 | peterS: right |
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| 02:34.53 | Guerin | cobalt: does it report being unable to open snd_pcm_oss or somesuch? |
| 02:34.58 | dondelelcaro | diff: apparently the local dos is fixed in 2.6.7 |
| 02:35.03 | peterS | dondelelcaro: oh, good information |
| 02:35.31 | mickeyks | whoever told me to use openoffice.org xcalc as an excel replacement, good job |
| 02:35.32 | dan2 | peterS: objc should have been used for dbmail and that ugly struct work we did |
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| 02:35.37 | Jimmy1 | dondelelcaro: Looks like that did the trick! |
| 02:35.39 | cobalt | guerin - it reports that no soundcards were found, even though the driver for mine is loaded |
| 02:35.39 | mickeyks | seems to even have the shortcut keys |
| 02:35.43 | g4lt | dondelelcaro prolly be better to say #debian is not #knoppix |
| 02:35.50 | Jimmy1 | dondelelcaro: dselect is going now!: ) |
| 02:35.57 | peterS | dan2: many things can be done with objects. I don't happen to think objects in C are all that ugly, though |
| 02:36.00 | mickeyks | when will 3.0 be in sarge? |
| 02:36.03 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Everyone is too busy asking about FireFox |
| 02:36.04 | Jimmy1 | (the install part) |
| 02:36.07 | dan2 | peterS: we could have used categories and we would have be done in 20 minutes |
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| 02:36.10 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: ah, true that |
| 02:36.17 | mickeyks | how do i use firefox? |
| 02:36.18 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: 3.0 of what? |
| 02:36.31 | Guerin | !lart mickeyks |
| 02:36.37 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: j/k re Guerin's joke |
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| 02:37.00 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: Ah, Linux 3.0. |
| 02:37.01 | dan2 | peterS: I wonder if I could convince the dbmail team to use objc/gnustep over glib |
| 02:37.07 | g4lt | mickeyks okay, take off the troll-suit |
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| 02:37.11 | peterS | dan2: I doubt it |
| 02:37.24 | Unfrgiven | does anyone here use amsn? i want to sort my contacts by name not by their online/busy/away status. anyone know how i can do this? |
| 02:37.26 | Guerin | mickeyks: you forgot to make a remark about how you had a woody unstable running the latest kernel |
| 02:37.42 | rdancer | i have just installed sarge in a chroot. i copied .Xauthority to /chroot/home/user/.Xauthority, yet i still get: Error: Can't open display: :0.0 |
| 02:37.43 | dan2 | peterS: NS* is a much better replacement for glib, afaik glib is based off it :) |
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| 02:38.00 | rdancer | what did i miss? |
| 02:38.02 | g4lt | Guerin no, I like the people who ask "how do I install sid" ;P |
| 02:38.06 | peterS | dan2: I doubt that too. I think glib just kind of rose up out of the ground |
| 02:38.09 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: mount --bind /tmp/.X11-unix /chroot/tmp/.X11-unix . |
| 02:38.20 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: and mount --bind /tmp/.ICE-unix /chroot/tmp/.ICE-unix . |
| 02:38.23 | Guerin | g4lt: and is unstable really unstable? |
| 02:38.26 | mickeyks | g4lt: you want a gmail account? |
| 02:38.33 | rdancer | !slap my forehead |
| 02:38.38 | g4lt | mickeyks why not? |
| 02:38.45 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: You are just itching to give that away, aren't you. |
| 02:38.52 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: thx |
| 02:38.53 | JoshTriplett | s/are/were/ |
| 02:38.59 | dan2 | peterS: look at it more closely |
| 02:39.13 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: No problem, I used a sid chroot under woody for quite a while. |
| 02:39.18 | dan2 | peterS: everything is even named after the NS* ones |
| 02:39.26 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: not giving it away, it's an invite thing |
| 02:39.43 | mickeyks | g4lt: tell me where to send the invite and i will |
| 02:39.50 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: I had a script "sid", that would do 'sudo chroot /chroot sudo -u josh "$@"', so I could go "sid mozilla". |
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| 02:40.06 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: Yes, I know. |
| 02:40.09 | StuckMojo | i've got a question about the apache packages... |
| 02:40.18 | dan2 | peterS: anyway, gnustep is very well implemented |
| 02:40.23 | Caelum | has anyone experienced problems with sound not playing in mozilla? |
| 02:40.23 | StuckMojo | apache vs apache-ssl vs libapache-mod-ssl |
| 02:40.26 | g4lt | mickeyks I /msg'd you the info |
| 02:40.39 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: So how are people getting invites, other than being sent them by people who have them? |
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| 02:40.52 | StuckMojo | it seems that to get apache with SSL support, i need either apache + libapache-mod-ssl OR apache-ssl ? |
| 02:40.58 | peterS | dan2: sorry, from your amount of experience I don't have much basis for taking your word for it that you can tell "well implemented" from "less well implemented" |
| 02:41.00 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: impressing.. |
| 02:41.00 | StuckMojo | right now i have all three ;) |
| 02:41.04 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Mozilla doesn't play sound. Talking about a plugin? |
| 02:41.07 | g4lt | JoshTriplett while gmail is in beta, the onlyy way you get a gmail account is by invite |
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| 02:41.24 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: *nod* I think my problem is 2 soundcards and alsa constantly getting confused about which one is primary... |
| 02:41.26 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: Right, but lots of people seem to have multiple invites to give away. |
| 02:41.28 | rdancer | is /tmp/.font-unix/ good for anything? |
| 02:41.30 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: just going to disable one of them.... |
| 02:41.33 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: They had to start _somewhere_. |
| 02:41.34 | dan2 | peterS: join #gnustep :) |
| 02:41.40 | peterS | dan2: no need |
| 02:41.48 | mickeyks | g4lt: sent |
| 02:41.54 | g4lt | mickeyks thx |
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| 02:42.01 | Guerin | !thx |
| 02:42.01 | dpkg | np lol |
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| 02:42.20 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: that's the only way to get one. once you have an account, once in a while the system gives you an invite to send to someone else |
| 02:42.31 | dan2 | peterS: anyway, install gnustep-gui0-dev and build the beast |
| 02:42.43 | peterS | dan2: whyever would I do that? |
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| 02:42.50 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: Ah, ok. And the first invites were people who knew Google employees? |
| 02:42.53 | Guerin | g4lt: just because you've got a gmmail account now, mr high-and-mighty |
| 02:42.58 | Guerin | gmail even |
| 02:43.11 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: that, and people with active blogger accounts |
| 02:43.14 | Guerin | !shoot guerin's repeating keyboard |
| 02:43.19 | g4lt | Guerin no, I'd'a done that an hour ago with just as much facility |
| 02:43.23 | dan2 | peterS: test build it |
| 02:43.24 | dan2 | :) |
| 02:43.34 | dan2 | peterS: anyway, check it out, tell me if the code comes clean |
| 02:43.44 | peterS | dan2: I have no incentive |
| 02:43.52 | Guerin | g4lt: true. But you're just pimping for the violence award again... I know it... |
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| 02:44.18 | Jimmy1 | Looking in /usr/src I have kernel-source-2*.tar.bz2 |
| 02:44.24 | Jimmy1 | What the heck is .bz2 format/ |
| 02:44.26 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: So how is the interface? I read a view that said something like "the vi of webmail", complete with strange shortcuts. |
| 02:44.34 | JoshTriplett | Jimmy1: bzip2. |
| 02:44.46 | JoshTriplett | Jimmy1: Use "tar xvvjf" |
| 02:44.47 | dan2 | peterS: I am bored, what do you need an application written to do? |
| 02:44.48 | dan2 | :) |
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| 02:45.01 | peterS | dan2: nothing I can't do myself |
| 02:45.06 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: indeed, some of the keys correspond to vi, and for a web interface, it is surprisingly fast and keyboard-friendly |
| 02:45.07 | JoshTriplett | Jimmy1: Better compression, but slower. |
| 02:45.08 | Jimmy1 | Thanks. Damn you gusy are good! |
| 02:46.13 | g4lt | Guerin am I that transparent? |
| 02:46.16 | rdancer | vi webmail? |
| 02:46.17 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: Any options to use your own email client, or interface with POP3/SMTP/IMAP? |
| 02:46.30 | JoshTriplett | rdancer: gmail. |
| 02:46.44 | rdancer | JoshTriplett: i know! 8) |
| 02:46.54 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: not yet, although they say there will be, and someone just came up with an unofficial workaround of some sort |
| 02:47.18 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: "Unofficial workaround" meaning "fragile web page scraping"? |
| 02:47.20 | nikki | anyone knows where i can download the old xlibs dfsg? |
| 02:47.30 | JoshTriplett | nikki: snapshot.debian.net |
| 02:47.37 | nikki | thanks |
| 02:47.44 | g4lt | nikki archive.debian.org |
| 02:47.47 | JoshTriplett | nikki: Or see the topic and /msg dpkg gnome settings daemon |
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| 02:47.57 | steven | i want to buy a laptop and i want also to use it as a desktop, should i buy a pentium M or pentium 4, or AMD |
| 02:47.59 | nikki | JoshTriplett: link there is 404 |
| 02:48.12 | g4lt | steven get a Tadpole ;) |
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| 02:48.19 | nikki | thanks, will try given links |
| 02:48.21 | JoshTriplett | nikki: snapshot.debian.net ? Works here. |
| 02:48.25 | Jimmy1 | Woody is kernl 2.2.20 right? |
| 02:48.36 | JoshTriplett | nikki: Oh, you mean the gnome link. |
| 02:48.36 | nikki | JoshTriplett: the one in /msg |
| 02:48.42 | steven | g4lt: what is that? |
| 02:48.45 | g4lt | Jimmy1 not necessaarily, htere's a 2.4.18 available as well |
| 02:48.51 | JoshTriplett | Jimmy1: It also has 2.4.18 |
| 02:48.51 | g4lt | steven SPARC laptops |
| 02:48.58 | rdancer | steven: get a real machine, go sparc |
| 02:49.04 | g4lt | JoshTriplett neener ;P |
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| 02:49.17 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: http://jaybe.org/screens.htm |
| 02:49.19 | steven | where can i find information about those pcs |
| 02:49.19 | g4lt | rdancer what do you think Tadpoles are ;) |
| 02:49.24 | Jimmy1 | thanks guys. |
| 02:49.30 | Caelum | bah, fucking esd |
| 02:49.34 | rdancer | g4lt: ah;) |
| 02:49.41 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: Hey, as long as the question gets answered. |
| 02:49.45 | g4lt | steven tadpolehardware.com |
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| 02:50.18 | rdancer | g4lt: well, google should know... |
| 02:50.25 | g4lt | grrr |
| 02:50.42 | rdancer | !calm g4lt |
| 02:50.45 | g4lt | ahhh tadpoleCOMPUTER.com |
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| 02:51.33 | Jimmy1 | If one were to have an option to install a program via an rpm or recompiling and loading as a module. |
| 02:51.40 | Jimmy1 | Which would be a better approach? |
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| 02:51.58 | steven | what are the features of a sparc laptop |
| 02:52.13 | mickeyks | Jimmy1: that sounds like a weird choice |
| 02:52.14 | rdancer | Jimmy1: *module*?? |
| 02:52.34 | Jimmy1 | using insmod |
| 02:52.42 | Jimmy1 | (Installing a driver for my nic) |
| 02:52.43 | nikki | thanks Jimmy1, thanks guys |
| 02:52.49 | g4lt | steven wacking big memory, 64-bit processor, decent video, SCSI based |
| 02:52.53 | Jimmy1 | I have an rpm and a tar file. |
| 02:53.07 | steven | g4lt: what processor |
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| 02:53.15 | Jimmy1 | Tryign to figure out which I should use. |
| 02:53.25 | rdancer | Jimmy1: what nic is it? |
| 02:53.26 | g4lt | steven theyy have Ultrasparc IIi and IIIi models |
| 02:53.43 | Jimmy1 | rdancer: Broadcom 4401 |
| 02:54.01 | mickeyks | Jimmy1: what's the application? |
| 02:54.05 | steven | g4lt: could i load up linux and windows |
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| 02:54.39 | Jimmy1 | mick: The software I have is from Broadcom. Drivers I guess. |
| 02:54.41 | g4lt | steven linux, no probs at all. windows: major problems. there has never been a windows for SPARC, ever |
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| 02:55.50 | steven | g4lt: is that a stable company, you know is the first time i heard about it |
| 02:56.08 | g4lt | steven I have Tadpoles from circa 1995 |
| 02:56.50 | g4lt | actually, they absorbed RDI in about 1998-99 |
| 02:57.23 | steven | g4lt: ok i think the only problem is that in college i gonna need to load some win programs |
| 02:57.35 | nort0n | I compiled my own kernel in debian, but now i get a panic that says that it cant mount /dev/hda3, uknown-block. But ive compiled in ext3 support which the partition is. Anyone know whats wrong? |
| 02:58.15 | leandro | hi all. anybody can help me get some images out of a canon cancorder ? |
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| 02:59.06 | setu|d | How do I regenerate modules.conf from modutils/aliases? |
| 02:59.18 | rasher_ | ek ... i justo downloaded linux-2.6.7 kernel and the make config barfs ...any ideas ? |
| 02:59.30 | g4lt | leandro if it's a cancorder, just get a canopener |
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| 03:00.05 | mickeyks | i need a sample excel spreadsheet to practice some stuff with, must contain tons of data |
| 03:00.07 | DTiVo4me | would someone help troubleshoot a phpbb2 install? |
| 03:00.40 | leandro | g4lt: where ? |
| 03:01.26 | DTiVo4me | have php4 and mysql database working |
| 03:02.12 | leandro | g4lt: when I plug my camera I see some msgs on /var/log/messages, but I don't know which device to mount |
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| 03:02.59 | Shorty- | anyone here know how to turn on the mic boost in alsamixer for the maestro3 card? |
| 03:03.00 | chitiri | leandro: usb-storage, then mount sda1 like another scsi disk |
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| 03:03.26 | leandro | which fs ? |
| 03:03.31 | erbel | msg dpkg gnome settings daemon |
| 03:03.57 | nikki | damn, downgrading didn't work |
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| 03:04.46 | leandro | chitiri: which fs ? |
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| 03:06.33 | nikki | should i also downgrade xlibs-data? |
| 03:06.39 | steven | g4lt: what is the price around, for those laptops |
| 03:06.52 | DTiVo4me | could someone help get phpBB2 working? |
| 03:07.02 | chitiri | leandro: try first vfat |
| 03:07.32 | g4lt | steven $4K, give or take |
| 03:09.35 | matteJ | My apt-get have some error, uw-imapd can't be installed and it says about it every time i run apt-get |
| 03:09.57 | steven | g4lt: is there something about $1500 |
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| 03:11.21 | g4lt | steven I think they have some budget machines, yes. look |
| 03:11.26 | marmot | heh, Got Woody Base installed under MS VPC. task select is downloading the X, desktop, and laptop packages :) |
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| 03:11.57 | steven | g4lt: where |
| 03:12.09 | g4lt | tadpolecomputer.com, like I said |
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| 03:13.11 | steven | but where in that site can i find a cheap laptops |
| 03:13.45 | dan2 | how are abit motherboards in general? |
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| 03:29.57 | steven | is this a good graphic card: ntegrated GeForce4 420 Go Video Chipset |
| 03:30.21 | gcbirzan | How would we know? |
| 03:30.39 | crackwhore | it's not great |
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| 03:31.41 | steven | ok thanks |
| 03:31.43 | g4lt | isn't there a #debian-laptop? |
| 03:32.11 | gcbirzan | g4lt: As you probably found out yourself, no. :-P |
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| 03:34.08 | nort0n | I recompiled my debian kernel, but i get a panic saying it cant mount my rootfilesystem. It ext3 and I have ext3 support compiled in, anyone know what i can do? |
| 03:35.28 | streuner | nort0n: what does 'grep DEVFS your_config' say? |
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| 03:36.13 | nort0n | streuner: its set to yes |
| 03:36.31 | streuner | ok, did you make an initrd.img? |
| 03:36.35 | nort0n | no |
| 03:36.55 | nort0n | you need that with devfs? |
| 03:37.07 | streuner | yes |
| 03:37.20 | nort0n | ah. ok. Thanks! |
| 03:37.25 | streuner | np |
| 03:37.36 | nort0n | ill just remove devfs then since i dont want it |
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| 03:43.57 | thu | anyone know of any free way to plot multiple addresses and/or coords on a map? |
| 03:44.12 | g4lt | thu grass |
| 03:44.23 | thu | g4lt: uh? |
| 03:44.34 | thu | g4lt: got it |
| 03:45.06 | g4lt | if the Army s good at one thing, it's mapping/GIS |
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| 03:45.18 | thu | g4lt: grass doesn't do street maps, does it? |
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| 03:45.27 | helix | and removing my ex boyfriend from my life |
| 03:45.29 | helix | go army! |
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| 03:45.39 | g4lt | I dunno, all I know is it's a really good GIS |
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| 03:46.20 | g4lt | basically, when you life depends on the map being accurate, you make good mapping tools ;) |
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| 03:47.18 | mwilson | That's better. |
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| 03:48.13 | Azar | well mwilson, I managed to get and compile the 2.6.6 kernel two nights ago |
| 03:48.19 | Azar | going for the 2.6.7 tonight |
| 03:48.24 | Azar | on that old Debian woody |
| 03:48.32 | Azar | it was possible afterall |
| 03:49.14 | Azar | I only take it I stepped on a tense situation when I came and asked that day |
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| 03:49.38 | inter | hi all, anyone care to help me with an network prob i'm having? |
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| 03:49.58 | g4lt | Azar no, we're assholes all the time ;P |
| 03:50.10 | Azar | g4lt, I understand the stress |
| 03:50.17 | Azar | people blow off sometimes |
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| 03:50.33 | Azar | generally speaking #debian is the best channel around |
| 03:51.01 | Desiac | with netstat -l, listening on some weird ports, how can i find what process/program is listening on the specific port? |
| 03:51.26 | g4lt | Desiac lsof or fuser |
| 03:51.29 | Azar | you can use a ports table and query the port |
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| 03:52.03 | Desiac | g4lt,Azar: thanks peoples :) |
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| 03:53.01 | mwilson | Azar: Hm? Why do you bother to tell me this? I certainly had nothing to say about it being impossible to run a 2.6.x kernel on a Woody system. |
| 03:53.19 | mwilson | Azar: I guess I'm happy for you that you did it, but it's not like it's hard or anything. |
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| 03:53.26 | g4lt | Azar one can see why you think it was because of stress. you do realize that if he takes your advice, he'll be in here tomorrow asking again, if we're lucky? if we're not lucky, he'll get panicked because of a netbus trojan or something heinous like that |
| 03:53.45 | Azar | mwilson, my bad and I appologize: I understood that the old Woody would not be assigned a new kernel version anymore |
| 03:54.04 | mwilson | Azar: It won't be. That has nothing to do with whether you can put one on it yourself. |
| 03:54.20 | Azar | g4lt, this is how I discover what is using what port |
| 03:55.07 | inter | debian won't bring up my ethernet upon startup, yet manually running dhclient aftward brings up the net fine...anyone know of a solution? |
| 03:55.08 | Azar | g4lt if I would not have done it, I would not have had a reason to tell him that |
| 03:55.44 | mwilson | inter: You mean it won't bring the interface up, or it won't run dhclient for you and get an IP? |
| 03:56.45 | inter | hmm |
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| 03:57.09 | inter | mwilson, well I can't find the log where the exact error is but as I see it fly by it looks like a dhclient error |
| 03:57.32 | inter | mwilson, so it won't bring up the interface |
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| 03:58.03 | mwilson | inter: What leads you to think it's not bringing up the interface? That was the question I asked you. |
| 03:59.07 | inter | mwilson, well...I have no IP immediatly after bootup |
| 03:59.22 | mwilson | Ok, but is the interface up? |
| 03:59.41 | inter | mwilson, ok perhaps i'm confused about the term "interface" |
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| 03:59.54 | inter | mwilson, could you define plz? |
| 03:59.59 | helix | !plz |
| 03:59.59 | dpkg | it has been said that plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 04:00.02 | mwilson | Or the terms "up" and "down"? |
| 04:00.27 | inter | ok, down then |
| 04:00.43 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 04:00.57 | inter | hmmm |
| 04:01.09 | mwilson | I'm sorry I interjected anything, I hope you figure it out. |
| 04:01.57 | inter | np...its just confusing as to why the interface doesn't come up automatically yet dhclient will bring it up |
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| 04:03.05 | helix | inter: what's in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:03.08 | The_Vulture | inter: and you have "auto ethX" in your /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 04:03.26 | inter | lemme check |
| 04:03.51 | mwilson | Good book. |
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| 04:04.05 | mwilson | Heavy book, but good book. |
| 04:04.07 | inter | mwilson, thx :) |
| 04:04.18 | mwilson | inter: For? |
| 04:04.22 | matteJ | Where do O select which enviroment I want to use, fluxbox i want, in what file to I write it? |
| 04:04.29 | inter | mwilson, the help |
| 04:04.51 | The_Vulture | matteJ: install fluxbox then RTFM |
| 04:04.55 | inter | The_Vulture, i have auto eth0 in my interfaces file |
| 04:05.06 | inter | The_Vulture, however... |
| 04:05.08 | setupEasyfw | I'm setting up "easyfw" and I'm told to install ipchains or ipfwadm? Which is the best/preferred system? (Some personal details: I'm a single PC on dialup just using typical non-server programs like IRC/firefox/APT/...) |
| 04:05.28 | matteJ | The_Vulture: I meaned what file under the home? |
| 04:05.41 | mwilson | setupEasyfw: Somehow I doubt you're running a 2.2 or 2.0 kernel. |
| 04:05.42 | inter | The_Vulture, it looks like i have some static values set "iface eth0 inet static" |
| 04:05.45 | The_Vulture | matteJ: the man page for fluxbox explains how to use it |
| 04:05.58 | The_Vulture | inter: guess you want to change that to use dhcp then.. |
| 04:06.01 | The_Vulture | ~tell inter about man interfaces |
| 04:06.24 | inter | The_Vulture, :) thanks a ton |
| 04:06.26 | Jimmy1 | when I do insmod and load a module, after reboot it is gone when I do lsmod! should it stay in memory? |
| 04:06.27 | mwilson | inter: Uh, if you've told the system that eth0 should have a static IP, why are you surprised that it doesn't run dhclient? |
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| 04:06.40 | The_Vulture | Jimmy1: no, memory goes away when you reboot |
| 04:06.44 | The_Vulture | Jimmy1: man 5 modules |
| 04:06.45 | ilovelinux | hello |
| 04:06.46 | The_Vulture | or modconf |
| 04:06.53 | mwilson | Jimmy1: Certainly it should stay in memory. Until you reboot. |
| 04:06.59 | ilovelinux | can somebody tell me how to simply upgrade to 2.6 kernel |
| 04:07.05 | ilovelinux | without having to compile anything |
| 04:07.12 | ilovelinux | and just by using debian packages |
| 04:07.14 | Jimmy1 | vult: modconf looks good. |
| 04:07.15 | Jimmy1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.27 | g4lt | Jimmy1 the reboot part is what's catching you. modprobed modules don't survive a reboot. echo <modulename> >> /etc/modules will make it survive reboots |
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| 04:07.38 | mwilson | I wish _X User Tools_ was as good of a book. |
| 04:07.39 | inter | mwilson, well I hadn't thought about it but the Sarge netinstaller couldn't get an IP from my router so I enter in some value maually...totally forgot about them |
| 04:07.51 | inter | mwilson, entered* |
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| 04:07.58 | setupEasyfw | mwilson: true, I'm 2.4 ... hmm, does this mean that I shouldn't be using "easyfw"? whan is a simple, basic software firewall to install for security newbies? |
| 04:08.05 | g4lt | ilovelinux first, use sarge, next apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.blah |
| 04:08.13 | ilovelinux | did it... |
| 04:08.19 | ilovelinux | the thing didn't work on me |
| 04:08.30 | mwilson | setupEasyfw: I never get involved in people's firewall setups... I can't help you with that. Sorry. |
| 04:08.44 | mwilson | setupEasyfw: That just comes back to haunt you when they get owned. |
| 04:08.45 | Jimmy1 | g4lt: Yes the after reboot is the problem! :) Let me try the /etc/modules. |
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| 04:09.14 | dave^^^^ | anyone konw bind9? |
| 04:09.39 | steve_ | If I shrink my root partition using parted, what e2fsck command should I run on it after? just e2fsck /dev/hda3? |
| 04:09.42 | dave^^^^ | or more specifically why my server wont' update it's serial after an rndc reload? |
| 04:09.44 | ilovelinux | it froze when i tried to boot to 2.6 |
| 04:09.58 | Q3Man | setupEasyfw, I like shorewall but I'm in the same camp as mwilson... firewalls are a lot to help setup properly with little information |
| 04:10.00 | ilovelinux | it stopped while loading some ACPI drivers |
| 04:10.36 | steven | how can i know why the internet connection is so slow |
| 04:10.48 | g4lt | steven ntop |
| 04:10.57 | mwilson | dave^^^^: The daemon doesn't change the serial number... YOU do. |
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| 04:11.44 | dave^^^^ | mwilson, i konw that...i changed the serial and a dig @my.dns.server host.my.domain tells me that the serial hasn't updated |
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| 04:12.03 | dave^^^^ | even though it IS updated on the server. |
| 04:12.09 | crackwhore | and your logs say what |
| 04:12.12 | steven | g4lt: i dont have ntop |
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| 04:12.41 | dave^^^^ | i've tried rndc flush <that zone> as well as rndc reload and restart |
| 04:12.42 | bogart | I just installed the new kernel from 2.6.6 image for debian and I booted into it and it works fine but when I type uname to get kernal version it just says Linux how come? |
| 04:12.54 | marmot | How do I get the XF86Config tool to load so I can change my vidcard settings. Looking for the bluescreen gui type tool not the cli xf86config? |
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| 04:12.59 | crackwhore | dave^^^^: what do your logs say |
| 04:13.04 | bogart | Linux |
| 04:13.09 | g4lt | steven well get it. duh |
| 04:13.10 | mwilson | bogart: Uh, because that's what you asked uname for. |
| 04:13.19 | mwilson | rei $ uname |
| 04:13.19 | mwilson | Linux |
| 04:13.26 | Q3Man | bogart, try uname -a |
| 04:13.28 | mwilson | rei $ uname -a |
| 04:13.28 | mwilson | Linux rei 2.6.5 #1 Mon Apr 12 16:02:32 PDT 2004 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:13.40 | bogart | Linux linuxbox 2.4.26 #1 SMP Sa Apr 17 19:33:42 CEST 2004 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 04:13.44 | zignig | mwilson: how are you finding 2.6 , better , same , worse ? |
| 04:13.46 | mwilson | bogart: man uname is there so you can read it and actually learn how the command works. |
| 04:13.54 | bogart | see doesn't say kernel 2.6 |
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| 04:14.10 | mwilson | bogart: It doesn't say 2.6 because there isn't a 2.6 kernel running. |
| 04:14.16 | Jimmy1 | g4lt: /etc/modules did the trick! |
| 04:14.20 | Jimmy1 | g4lt: Thanks! |
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| 04:14.52 | mwilson | zignig: <shrug> Really makes no difference to me... I moved to 2.6 'cause dvd+rw-tools didn't like me with a 2.4 kernel. |
| 04:14.53 | bogart | well I installed the package for it and it asked me if I wanted to update lilo.conf and it made like initrd.img or something and I said yes |
| 04:15.05 | dave^^^^ | crackwhore, i'll have to check (can't ssh into the machine right now)...I'm just wondering if that's a stupid mistake on my prt etc |
| 04:15.13 | mwilson | bogart: And did you reboot and load the 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:15.31 | bogart | yes I rebooted ] |
| 04:15.33 | crackwhore | dave^^^^: without logs and config, it's all a big guess |
| 04:15.52 | mwilson | bogart: But you didn't do the second part, huh? |
| 04:16.03 | setupEasyfw | what is a good site to get newbie info on setting up a basic single-PC Debian firewall? |
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| 04:16.31 | JoshTriplett | setupEasyfw: Install shorewall and shorewall-doc, and read the documentation. |
| 04:16.33 | dave^^^^ | crackwhore, the configs are a clusterfuck, to be honest. essentially it's a large file with a bajillion $INCLUDE statements that point to smaller flat text files that have the actual zones and .conf files |
| 04:16.43 | bogart | 2nd part? |
| 04:16.44 | dave^^^^ | i will def have to check the logs |
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| 04:16.52 | bogart | what u mean mwilson? |
| 04:16.53 | dave^^^^ | thanks anyway |
| 04:16.58 | mwilson | !u |
| 04:16.58 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 |
| 04:16.58 | crackwhore | np |
| 04:17.11 | kingsley | Is there a screen saver that allows you to specify an ASCII string which is flipped around in 3D space? |
| 04:17.15 | JoshTriplett | setupEasyfw: For a simple "everything out, nothing in" setup, you add about 5 lines total to various config files in /etc/shorewall. |
| 04:17.21 | mwilson | kingsley: xscreensaver |
| 04:17.46 | bogart | what's the second part I have to do? |
| 04:18.01 | mwilson | Actually load the 2.6 kernel. |
| 04:18.11 | crackwhore | !ne1 |
| 04:18.11 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 04:18.16 | kingsley | mwilson: Do you happen to know which demo in xscreensaver? |
| 04:18.18 | bogart | I downloaded it from here packages.debian.org/unstable/ base/kernel-image-2.6.6-1-386 |
| 04:18.26 | Azar | good night/day and thank you guys |
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| 04:19.15 | mwilson | kingsley: GLText |
| 04:19.24 | mwilson | kingsley: Which should be obvious. |
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| 04:19.39 | marmot | Is there a debian tool comparible to Xconfigurator or is that only available during intial install ? |
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| 04:19.57 | bogart | mwilson; well if it created initrd.img and that was set under Linux in lilo and I booted Linux shouldn't it load 2.6.6? |
| 04:20.29 | mwilson | bogart: Depends on what your lilo configuration might say. Mine certainly wouldn't. |
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| 04:20.47 | vladkao | bogart: did you actually select the new kernel on boot ? |
| 04:21.02 | bogart | let me check my lilo |
| 04:21.17 | x|e | hey my friend is having a problem when he goes to websites... he gets a 'cant look up hostname' message only when he is in the process of downloading a file ... is there a way to fix this? |
| 04:21.18 | JoshTriplett | marmot: You can rerun the tool you saw on install with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" as root. |
| 04:21.38 | marmot | ahh thx |
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| 04:21.41 | JoshTriplett | x|e: Does it abort the file download? |
| 04:21.47 | [Outlaw] | Hey guys, what normally causes this error when mounting a CD? mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/cdrom, or too many mounted file systems |
| 04:21.51 | [Outlaw] | I've got ide-cd loaded |
| 04:21.59 | x|e | no it doesnt abort the download.. its emm seperate |
| 04:22.06 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: Unfortunately, just about any error mounting the CD. |
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| 04:22.16 | [Outlaw] | Hmm |
| 04:22.22 | setupEasyfw | JoshTriplett: thanks for the info |
| 04:22.25 | JoshTriplett | x|e: Then it could be caused by an unreachable ad server, or something similar. |
| 04:22.31 | [Outlaw] | Is there any way to diagnose it? |
| 04:22.34 | x|e | he uses apt-get to download packages... and when he tries to use web browser he gets that |
| 04:22.44 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: Well, lets get the simple stuff out of the way. |
| 04:22.48 | x|e | JoshTriplett, he cant even get to google |
| 04:22.49 | [Outlaw] | Ok |
| 04:22.53 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: The CD is in the drive, right? |
| 04:23.03 | x|e | only when he is downloading tho |
| 04:23.11 | [Outlaw] | Yeah. If I set hdc to ide-scsi, then it works... but then I can't rip CDs for some reason |
| 04:23.13 | x|e | if he isnt downloading he has no prob |
| 04:23.31 | steve_ | If I shrink my root partition using parted, what e2fsck command should I run on it after? just e2fsck /dev/hda3? |
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| 04:24.02 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: Unless you have a CD burner under the 2.4 kernel, don't use ide-scsi. |
| 04:24.09 | [Outlaw] | Yeah, that's why I'm trying to fix it :) |
| 04:24.11 | mwilson | [Outlaw]: Well, if you're flipping from IDE to SCSI and back again, are you changing the device that you expect to be mounting? |
| 04:24.17 | [Outlaw] | Yes |
| 04:24.24 | mwilson | [Outlaw]: Oh? |
| 04:24.36 | JoshTriplett | steve_: Don't run fsck directly. touch /forcefsck and reboot, and the startup scripts will do a fsck. |
| 04:24.56 | [Outlaw] | Like, I can boot into my old kernel (2.4.23 I think - I don't recall) and it works fine... I think I may have left an option out of the kernel for this, but I'll be damned if I can think of what (2.4.26 |
| 04:24.58 | [Outlaw] | ) |
| 04:25.10 | mwilson | [Outlaw]: So when you're using ide-cd, you're attempting to mount hdc, and when you're using ide-scsi, you're attempting to mount scd0? |
| 04:25.28 | [Outlaw] | Yeah, I changed the entry in fstab temporarily, while using ide-scsi. It's back now |
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| 04:25.37 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: What is the line in your /etc/fstab for the CD device, and what is the output of ls -l /dev/cdrom ? |
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| 04:25.41 | mwilson | [Outlaw]: Or are you attempting to mount the /dev/cdrom symlink and not changing where it points? |
| 04:25.57 | steve_ | JoshTriplett: hmm ok |
| 04:26.03 | [Outlaw] | /dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 04:26.09 | [Outlaw] | /dev/cdrom points to /dev/hdc |
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| 04:26.24 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: Also, you are in the cdrom group, right? And the CD device is owned by the cdrom group? |
| 04:26.35 | [Outlaw] | Yep - like I said, if I boot into my old kernel it's fine |
| 04:26.44 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: OK, that looks fine. |
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| 04:27.26 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: You might try running "diff -u /boot/config-2.4.23 /boot/config-2.4.26" and reviewing the results. |
| 04:28.01 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: (The filenames might differ, depending on what "--append-to-version" you used.) |
| 04:28.11 | [Outlaw] | Looking at the diff now |
| 04:28.53 | [Outlaw] | In the cdrom area, the only real difference I see is that in this new kernel, I've compiled ide-cd as a module |
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| 04:29.23 | shekhjha | what's the command line to manually mount an nfs folder? |
| 04:29.27 | JoshTriplett | steve_: To clarify, it is possible to run fsck directly, but you would need to stop all programs and remount your filesystem read only anyway, so this is easier. |
| 04:29.40 | [Outlaw] | Having it as a module shouldn't make any difference, should it? |
| 04:29.40 | mwilson | shekhjha: man mount |
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| 04:30.43 | steve_ | JoshTriplett: cool, thanks..there shouldnt be any problem resizing my root partition? |
| 04:30.50 | steve_ | i just need to shrink it a bit |
| 04:31.10 | JoshTriplett | steve_: I haven't used parted before, but it should work. What type is your root partition? |
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| 04:31.38 | vladkao | steve_: make a backup of your imortant data (just in case...) |
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| 04:31.50 | steve_ | JoshTriplett: ext3 |
| 04:31.59 | steve_ | vladkao: k |
| 04:32.10 | JoshTriplett | steve_: Should work, but take vladkao's advice and backup your important stuff anyway. |
| 04:32.22 | steve_ | k |
| 04:32.23 | steve_ | thanks |
| 04:32.39 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: That shouldn't be a problem, as long as you loaded the module. |
| 04:32.43 | [Outlaw] | Yes, it's loaded |
| 04:32.53 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: Nothing else? |
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| 04:33.16 | [Outlaw] | None that seems to be directly related to the cdrom |
| 04:34.25 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: And ide-scsi is not loaded? |
| 04:34.38 | Jambon | mkay. kde has been acting up badly, so i wanted to completely unistall it and remove any programs associated with it, then just install the core. well, i did a apt-get --purge remove kde, then apt-get install kde-core. but all the programs are there, and the icons still turn funny colors when i click them. any ideas? |
| 04:34.51 | [Outlaw] | It is... because I've got two drives (a DVDrom, /dev/hdc and a burner, /dev/hdd) |
| 04:34.53 | carrett | hey, is there anything in debian like the app in OS X that lets you thumbnail all the open programs in an X session and select one? |
| 04:34.59 | Jimmy1 | When I running xf86config I don't an option for a USB mouse. What should I be selecting? |
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| 04:35.13 | peterS | Jimmy1: device /dev/input/mice |
| 04:35.20 | peterS | Jimmy1: protocol ExplorerPS/2 or ImPS/2 |
| 04:35.31 | peterS | Jimmy1: but you'll have to load a couple of kernel modules to make it work |
| 04:35.34 | Jimmy1 | jimmy: Hmm, not use. New dell. |
| 04:35.39 | JoshTriplett | carrett: Nothing in Debian that I know of, but there are various programs in progress to do that; google for expose linux. |
| 04:35.40 | [Outlaw] | JoshTriplett: I can't think of what's wrong. :/ I haven't run into this particular problem before |
| 04:35.50 | carrett | JoshTriplett: thanks. |
| 04:36.30 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: Are you sure ide-scsi is only affecting the burner? Does the burner work? |
| 04:36.33 | Jimmy1 | peters: Hmm, it worked earlier. |
| 04:36.44 | Jimmy1 | peters: After recompiling my kernel is stopped working. |
| 04:36.52 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: (Also, in 2.6, you can burn CDs directly without using ide-scsi.) |
| 04:36.53 | peterS | Jimmy1: well, you have to include the right kernel options |
| 04:36.55 | [Outlaw] | Let me check |
| 04:36.59 | peterS | Jimmy1: there are 4 I can think of |
| 04:37.09 | Jimmy1 | peters: How do you know the protocal for the mouse? |
| 04:37.18 | peterS | Jimmy1: I just do (: |
| 04:37.23 | Jimmy1 | ha |
| 04:37.26 | peterS | Jimmy1: it's ExplorerPS/2, but ImPS/2 also works |
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| 04:37.38 | [Outlaw] | !? No: mount: No medium found |
| 04:37.39 | peterS | Jimmy1: let me put it this way - I've read the kernel source in question, and that's the protocol it puts out |
| 04:37.48 | Jimmy1 | peter: nice. |
| 04:37.56 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: Normally, you use "ide-scsi=hdd" on the kernel command line, but I don't know how it works with ide-scsi as a module. |
| 04:38.05 | shekhjha | which port to enable in iptables for NFS server ? |
| 04:38.07 | [Outlaw] | Yeah, that's the line I have |
| 04:38.24 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: Do you have a CD in the burner? |
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| 04:38.46 | Guerin | Jimmy1: peterS knows everything about every mouse and every sound card ever invented |
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| 04:38.53 | peterS | Guerin: hehe |
| 04:38.59 | [Outlaw] | Hang on, what the hell? I'll be back in a moment |
| 04:39.17 | Guerin | peterS: you do ... and off the top of your head, as well :) |
| 04:39.28 | peterS | Guerin: ha. you exaggerate. thanks for the kind words, though |
| 04:39.30 | opp | im using giftd but whenever i use it, i cannot even surf without tremendous lag, can anthing be done? |
| 04:39.40 | Jimmy1 | peter: I just ran make menuconfig and am looking at the mice options. |
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| 04:39.47 | JoshTriplett | opp: You need a traffic shaper. |
| 04:39.56 | Guerin | opp: network lag, or cpu/ram lag? |
| 04:39.59 | Jimmy1 | peter: I don't see anything relating to USB mice. |
| 04:40.03 | JoshTriplett | opp: That will limit the bandwidth allocated to different programs. |
| 04:40.04 | peterS | Jimmy1: kernel 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 04:40.08 | Jimmy1 | 2.4 |
| 04:40.25 | Jimmy1 | peters: I have Mouse Support (not serial and bus mice) selected... |
| 04:40.30 | peterS | Jimmy1: under the "input core support" menu, select "Mouse support" |
| 04:40.33 | peterS | Jimmy1: ok. |
| 04:40.42 | peterS | Jimmy1: under the "USB support" menu... |
| 04:40.54 | Jimmy1 | peters: nice! |
| 04:40.57 | peterS | Jimmy1: select "USB Human Interface Device (full HID) support" |
| 04:40.58 | opp | JoshTriplett, i installed trickle, but dont seem to work or maybe i dunnoe how to use it |
| 04:41.13 | peterS | Jimmy1: then under that, make sure to select the next option, "HID input layer support" |
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| 04:41.36 | JoshTriplett | opp: Be sure you are limiting both upstream and downstream bandwidth usage. |
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| 04:41.46 | [Outlaw] | Ok, well I have found the problem |
| 04:41.50 | JoshTriplett | opp: Don't know more than that; I don't run filesharing software. |
| 04:41.58 | [Outlaw] | For some reason it's loading both my DVD rom /AND/ burner as ide-scsi!? |
| 04:41.59 | opp | trickle or trickled? |
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| 04:42.13 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: That would do it. |
| 04:42.28 | [Outlaw] | Why on earth would it do that? I've just got "hdd=ide-scsi" in my lilo.conf |
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| 04:42.45 | peterS | Jimmy1: finally - don't neglect your USB host adapter, which is one of those things under "--- USB Host Controller Drivers" in the USB menu |
| 04:43.02 | [Outlaw] | Would this be kernel-related? Should I try 2.4.25? |
| 04:43.19 | JoshTriplett | shekhjha: I googled for nfs firewall and the first result was http://www.lowth.com/LinWiz/nfs_help.html , which looks like it answers your question. Try a search engine first, in the future. |
| 04:43.27 | Jimmy1 | peter: I selected "input core support" and then selected Mouse support as a module. |
| 04:43.33 | peterS | Jimmy1: that's fine |
| 04:43.39 | shekhjha | JoshTriplett: thanks |
| 04:43.41 | Jimmy1 | peter: I don't see anything about "USB support" |
| 04:43.41 | peterS | Jimmy1: those other options I mentioned - they can be modules too |
| 04:43.53 | peterS | Jimmy1: go up to the main menu, then down to "USB support" |
| 04:44.08 | Jimmy1 | shoot :) |
| 04:44.13 | Jimmy1 | There it is!@ |
| 04:44.13 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: Do both the working and working-challenged kernels have ide-scsi as a module. |
| 04:44.17 | JoshTriplett | s/./?/ |
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| 04:44.33 | [Outlaw] | Nope, one (working) has ide-scsi built in - shall I try that? |
| 04:44.42 | [Outlaw] | Er |
| 04:44.46 | [Outlaw] | It has IDE-CD built in |
| 04:45.19 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: Kernel parameters, and the order drivers are tried in, changes depending on whether a driver is built in or modular. |
| 04:45.32 | [Outlaw] | Argh |
| 04:45.33 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: Try matching the config of your working kernel. |
| 04:45.35 | [Outlaw] | Well, I'll recompile now. |
| 04:45.41 | Guerin | !giyf |
| 04:45.41 | dpkg | from memory, giyf is Google Is Your Friend, or see also: STFW |
| 04:45.46 | JoshTriplett | [Outlaw]: Argh what? |
| 04:45.56 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: I didn't want to be rude. |
| 04:45.57 | Guerin | !giyf is also and http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 04:45.58 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 04:46.03 | [Outlaw] | "Argh this is annoying" :) |
| 04:46.14 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: I know, but I see a niche for that url :) |
| 04:46.25 | [Outlaw] | Recompiling now |
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| 04:47.09 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Is that (hilarious) site available at any less obscene URLs? |
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| 04:47.16 | Guerin | !giyf =~ s/or and /and see/ |
| 04:47.17 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 04:47.30 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: I don't know... maybe I'll google for it :) |
| 04:47.42 | xtapo | My dog is covered in pesticide. Cute puppy. |
| 04:47.43 | Jimmy1 | peter: Thanks I am going to recompile my kernel now. |
| 04:47.44 | Qapf | apt-get is throwing an odd error when i try to install apache, it tries to start apache, then fails. full error in #flood |
| 04:48.05 | Jimmy1 | peter: Then when I am in xf86config what type of mouse shoudl I select? (no usb option..right? ) |
| 04:48.36 | xoran99 | What kind of mouse is it? |
| 04:48.43 | peterS | Jimmy1: like I said, the device is /dev/input/mice |
| 04:48.49 | peterS | Jimmy1: and the protocol is ExplorerPS/2 |
| 04:48.56 | Jimmy1 | dell mouse |
| 04:49.10 | Qapf | anyone throw me a bone? please? |
| 04:49.16 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Just checked; apparently not. Strange that google with "safesearch" on still finds that link. |
| 04:49.49 | Qapf | darn, forgot. bunch of very literal scarcastic people here. its like talking to myself :) |
| 04:49.49 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: heh, safesearch must like the fact it has google in the title |
| 04:50.10 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: (I like the "here's the answer, and here's where you _should_ have looked" approach, rather than the "go find it yourself" approach). |
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| 04:51.09 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: I'll often give a few pointers, but I think it's valuable for people to actually do the finding themselve |
| 04:51.13 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: That way, they are more inclined to look, because they aren't still preoccupied by looking for their answer, and they think "well the person who knew the answer to my last question learned from this, so". |
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| 04:51.32 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Also depends on how much time you want to devote to answering the question. |
| 04:51.41 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: yeah, that's true. |
| 04:51.50 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: I will never just tell someone to RTFineM, though. |
| 04:51.54 | Guerin | Qapf: paste your error in #flood again - I just joijned |
| 04:52.03 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: I will at least tell them the FineM to R. |
| 04:52.15 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: "man this". |
| 04:52.20 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: I will, as long as it's clear WFM they have to R |
| 04:52.25 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: yeah |
| 04:52.44 | Qapf | Guerin sure, but i may have found my own solution |
| 04:53.51 | Guerin | Qapf: when you run the command again, does it run clean? IE: has the package actually installed properly, just not yet started? |
| 04:53.52 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: I agree, though, about finding the answer being valuable; that's how I learned 99.99% of what I know about GNU/Linux. |
| 04:54.01 | Qapf | Guerin no |
| 04:54.14 | Qapf | but a debian bug report may suggust that having php4 in before apache causes this |
| 04:54.28 | Qapf | im purging my stuff right now to try and do it in order |
| 04:54.32 | Guerin | Qapf: that was my next suggestion :) |
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| 04:55.10 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: same here... and having no CS/programmming bakground means I learn it all in a strange order as well |
| 04:55.36 | ilovelinux | do i need the kernel headers to install the kernel image? |
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| 04:55.42 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: None? What is your profession, then? |
| 04:55.49 | Guerin | ilovelinux: no, only to compile it |
| 04:55.54 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: No. Only if you need to build external drivers against the kernel. |
| 04:56.01 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: No, for that you need the source. |
| 04:56.15 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: The headers just let you compile drivers against the stock kernels. |
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| 04:56.25 | ilovelinux | ok |
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| 04:56.30 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: I went to film school, have worked as a chef, barman, tax-technical/legal advisor, and am currently an english teacher in South Korea |
| 04:56.36 | ilovelinux | how long does it take to boot 2.6? |
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| 04:56.42 | Guerin | and a fine wine merchant, as well |
| 04:56.44 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Wow. |
| 04:56.48 | ilovelinux | i waited for 3 minutes before i just shut the power on the thing |
| 04:56.51 | TheCoderThatISDa | im thinking of using progeny, how new are the packages in Sarge? |
| 04:56.57 | ilovelinux | cuz it seemed to have froze... |
| 04:57.21 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Shorter than that, normally. What was the last line on the screen? Does 2.4 boot? |
| 04:57.23 | Guerin | ilovelinux: same time it takes to boot any other kernel. Any errors, or just a plain freeze? |
| 04:58.09 | ilovelinux | 2.4 boots fine |
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| 04:58.12 | ilovelinux | i'm on 2.4 now |
| 04:58.18 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Legal advisor? Have you tried reading debian-legal? It's fun, and you learn tons about copyright/trademark/patent/miscellaneous law. |
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| 04:58.39 | ilovelinux | it freezes while loading an ACPI driver i believe |
| 04:58.44 | ilovelinux | should i try again? |
| 04:58.51 | ilovelinux | i'll give you the exact error... |
| 04:58.56 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: That's a common problem; boot with "noacpi". |
| 04:59.08 | ilovelinux | uhh |
| 04:59.14 | ilovelinux | the only reason i'm upgrading |
| 04:59.16 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: I haven't, but copyright/commons law is pretty insteresting to me. I only did tax-legal though, and I have no legal training |
| 04:59.18 | ilovelinux | is cuz i want ACPI |
| 04:59.24 | ilovelinux | and my computer to shut off automatically |
| 04:59.27 | ilovelinux | when i run shutdown -h now |
| 04:59.33 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Neither have I. |
| 04:59.49 | ilovelinux | i don't mind using an older kernel... |
| 04:59.59 | ilovelinux | i just want to be able to shutdown -h now and have it shut off... |
| 05:00.09 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: If that's all you want, ACPI is overkill. Try using the program "poweroff" instead of "shutdown -h now". |
| 05:00.35 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Not that 2.6 is a bad idea, but if ACPI freezes, run 2.6 without ACPI. |
| 05:00.59 | ilovelinux | poweroff? |
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| 05:01.20 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Yes. Or halt -p, which is the same thing. |
| 05:01.21 | ilovelinux | there is a poweroff!? |
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| 05:01.35 | ilovelinux | is this a debian thing? |
| 05:01.41 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: No. |
| 05:01.50 | ilovelinux | cuz when i was on redhat and mandrake... shutdown -h was enough to turn off the computer... |
| 05:02.21 | TheCoderThatISDa | My PC never powers off hen shutdown -h now |
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| 05:02.33 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Also look in /etc/default/halt . |
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| 05:02.56 | ilovelinux | let me try... |
| 05:03.00 | ilovelinux | i'm trying a halt... |
| 05:03.33 | anonobomber | where is the timezone information stored? |
| 05:03.46 | Guerin | anonobomber: man tzconfig |
| 05:03.52 | anonobomber | ty |
| 05:04.07 | Guerin | anonobomber: grr |
| 05:04.16 | Guerin | anonobomber: i lie, it's undocumented |
| 05:04.24 | anonobomber | hmm |
| 05:04.38 | anonobomber | might you know where it is located? |
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| 05:04.56 | Guerin | anonobomber: no, but if tzconfig had a manpage, it would be listed there |
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| 05:05.08 | anonobomber | k |
| 05:05.15 | JoshTriplett | anonobomber: /etc/timezone |
| 05:05.31 | JoshTriplett | (I straced tzconfig.) |
| 05:05.33 | Rono | anyone who could help me how to install gd 2.0 to debian |
| 05:05.34 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: heh, was just using optical diff on /etc/ |
| 05:06.26 | TheCoderThatISDa | What is the latest version of progeny? |
| 05:06.28 | Guerin | !info gd |
| 05:06.41 | Guerin | Rono: WTF is gd? |
| 05:06.53 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Some graphics library. |
| 05:07.29 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: By optical diff, do you mean you changed timezone and looked for modified files in /etc ? |
| 05:07.30 | Rono | graphics library you use with php to manipulate images... |
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| 05:08.03 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: nah, I just did ls /etc/ |less and looked through to see what looked reasonable |
| 05:08.11 | ilovelinux | didn't wokr |
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| 05:08.20 | Guerin | optical diff meaning, in this sense, using eyes |
| 05:08.23 | ilovelinux | it said... "please power down now." or something like that... |
| 05:08.41 | JoshTriplett | Rono: Do you want php3 or php4? |
| 05:08.44 | Rono | php4 |
| 05:08.49 | Guerin | Rono: is it available in debian, or are you compiling from source? |
| 05:08.54 | ilovelinux | any suggestions? |
| 05:08.59 | JoshTriplett | Rono: apt-get install php4-gd2 |
| 05:09.19 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: You tried "poweroff", or "halt"? |
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| 05:09.40 | Rono | JoshTriplett: well... i tried that... but seems that it's not installed when i try some gd2.x commands... :/ |
| 05:09.41 | ilovelinux | yes |
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| 05:09.47 | ilovelinux | it didn't turn off |
| 05:09.54 | ilovelinux | it seems i don't have any APM or ACPI installed.. |
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| 05:10.11 | g4lt | ilovelinux this is a bad thing? |
| 05:10.21 | ilovelinux | it is... |
| 05:10.26 | Dorado | I have a large mbox file that has mail for many users, how would I put this through my MTA (postfix) so that the mail can be sent to all the correct users? |
| 05:10.30 | ilovelinux | cuz i would like to go into low power mode |
| 05:10.35 | ilovelinux | and also shut my computer off remotely |
| 05:10.40 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Neither do I, and my system powers off on shutdown. |
| 05:10.47 | Guerin | Dorado: #postfix |
| 05:10.53 | ilovelinux | what kernel version? |
| 05:10.53 | Dorado | thx. |
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| 05:11.30 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Well, I've used 2.4.{18,24,25,26} and 2.6.6 , and all work. |
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| 05:11.45 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: If you want low power mode, you need a power management system. |
| 05:11.57 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: But turning off shouldn't need one. |
| 05:12.05 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Hang on a second, let me check something. |
| 05:12.05 | TheCoderThatISDa | Guerin: Can I borrow a few thousand please? Im Kind Of broke |
| 05:12.05 | ilovelinux | i don't care too much about the power management |
| 05:12.13 | Rono | i can find gd.so in /usr/lib/php4/20010901/ but there isn't any gd2.so... is that the problem |
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| 05:12.21 | ilovelinux | it's just annoying to wait there while it shutdown... |
| 05:12.32 | JoshTriplett | Rono: Did you install php4-gd or php4-gd2? |
| 05:12.36 | Jimmy1 | Under USb controllers I have three options. UHCI, UHCI Alternate DRiver, and OHCI!? Which do I use? |
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| 05:12.41 | Jimmy1 | In menuconfig |
| 05:12.45 | Rono | php4-gd2 |
| 05:12.57 | JoshTriplett | Jimmy1: Depends on your hardware. |
| 05:13.10 | Jimmy1 | josh: What if I select them all? |
| 05:13.11 | JoshTriplett | Jimmy1: Check lspci -v for info on your usb controller. |
| 05:13.34 | JoshTriplett | Jimmy1: If you build them all as modules, and install hotplug, it should load the appropriate one. |
| 05:14.01 | Jimmy1 | josh: Wow! That is cool! |
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| 05:14.29 | Jimmy1 | josh: Looks like the Intel selection. |
| 05:14.37 | ilovelinux | found anything Josh? |
| 05:15.04 | TheCoderThatISDa | Whats a good free distro based off debian besides debian itself : [ |
| 05:15.24 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: In the kernel configuration, there is an option under APM named "Use real-mode APM BIOS call to power off". Some systems need that set to power off. |
| 05:15.41 | ilovelinux | kernel configuration? |
| 05:15.46 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: Tell us what you need that Debian doesn't provide. |
| 05:15.48 | ilovelinux | you mean i have to compile the kernel myself? |
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| 05:16.01 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Well, before you do that |
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| 05:16.30 | ilovelinux | uhhh... |
| 05:16.35 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: try booting with the options that turn off ACPI and turn on APM. |
| 05:16.49 | ilovelinux | what's the option to turn on APM? |
| 05:16.49 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Some systems don't work with ACPI but do work with APM. |
| 05:16.59 | ilovelinux | or does disabling ACPI turn on APM by default? |
| 05:17.07 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: I'll check, and no. |
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| 05:18.28 | TheCoderThatISDa | whats a good distro based off debian? a free one? |
| 05:18.34 | Qapf | i just installed mysql and phpmyadmin through apt, and i am trying to log in. i have created a new user in webmin for mysql but when i try to log in it keeps telling me that access is denied. any guesses why a user i made 30 seconds ago isnt working? |
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| 05:19.29 | g4lt | TheCoderThatISDa Debian |
| 05:19.33 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: From Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt in the source, use acpi=off apm=on . Also, no, you wouldn't need to compile a kernel to set the apm options, you can set those via parameters too. |
| 05:19.44 | ilovelinux | ok good |
| 05:19.56 | ilovelinux | i don't want to fill out that long menu |
| 05:20.03 | ilovelinux | on what to compile what to not |
| 05:20.06 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: Tell us what you need that Debian doesn't provide, and we can either tell you what to configure in Debian, or suggest a distro. |
| 05:20.13 | TheCoderThatISDa | g4lt: BASED off Debian heh |
| 05:20.16 | ilovelinux | so just add acpi=off on the grub boot menu? |
| 05:20.38 | ilovelinux | i heard knopplix is good... but debian is good by itself... |
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| 05:20.44 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: And acpi=on . You might try it temporarily at first, with the grub edit option. |
| 05:20.56 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Oops, s/acpi/apm/ |
| 05:21.04 | ilovelinux | ??? |
| 05:21.19 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Add "acpi=off apm=on" |
| 05:21.28 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: (without the quotes, of course) |
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| 05:21.38 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: I thinkoed the parameter. |
| 05:21.45 | TheCoderThatISDa | JoshTripplet: No its not for me, its for a friend new to linux. Ive been with deian for a while. but i want us to both be using debian. I can install debian for him but he needs to be able to install it himself too just in case something comes up and the debian installer scares him so i was looking for something easier for him to install/configure etc. |
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| 05:22.11 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: OK. Download the Morphix live CD, and let him try that first. |
| 05:22.18 | Mike-29 | hey all, I need some help installing debian on an old notebook |
| 05:22.28 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: Once he gets used to that, you could introduce Debian. |
| 05:22.32 | TheCoderThatISDa | ok |
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| 05:23.14 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: Note, there are several versions of the Morphix CD. Use the one that uses the desktop environment you use, so you can help him out. |
| 05:23.34 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: (Unless you are an expert and use something like ion.) |
| 05:23.51 | TheCoderThatISDa | i may d o that but to tell you the truth i dont use a desktop much heh maybe fluxbox if anything |
| 05:24.08 | JoshTriplett | s/expert/minimalist/ |
| 05:24.31 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: Is your friend used to Windows or Mac? |
| 05:24.33 | ilovelinux | thecoderthatisDa |
| 05:24.34 | ilovelinux | use Sarge |
| 05:24.38 | ilovelinux | they have a new installer |
| 05:24.41 | ilovelinux | that is pretty user friendly |
| 05:24.47 | TheCoderThatISDa | He uses Windows 98 |
| 05:24.48 | nort0n | streuner: removing devfs didnt work. any other ideas? |
| 05:24.48 | ilovelinux | i'm quite a newbie at this... |
| 05:24.48 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Don't recommend that quite yet. |
| 05:24.57 | ilovelinux | and i didn't have too many problems |
| 05:25.08 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: It doesn't always work, and people who use it are expected to report bugs. |
| 05:25.20 | ilovelinux | lol |
| 05:25.23 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: Then I would suggest the MorphixKDE live CD. |
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| 05:25.34 | ilovelinux | a friend of mine says that Debian bugs aren't as buggy as some other Distro's final versions... |
| 05:25.35 | TheCoderThatISDa | ok |
| 05:25.47 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: (Actually, that statement applies to Sarge as well as debian-installer.) |
| 05:25.51 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Agreed. |
| 05:25.57 | bob2 | dan2: yeah? |
| 05:26.00 | ilovelinux | cuz i was using Mandrake b4... |
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| 05:26.11 | ilovelinux | and i got to say that Debian Sarge, even though it's suppose to be more testing... |
| 05:26.22 | ilovelinux | is stabler and less buggy than Mandrake's final version |
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| 05:26.38 | ilovelinux | anyways |
| 05:26.43 | ilovelinux | going to try the new kernel |
| 05:26.45 | ilovelinux | without ACPI |
| 05:26.47 | ilovelinux | bye bye |
| 05:27.17 | Mike-29 | hye all I can't get pmcia NIC to configure for a network install |
| 05:27.44 | JoshTriplett | Mike-29: As far as I know, you can't really install over a PCMCIA NIC. |
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| 05:28.00 | TheCoderThatISDa | Im still wondering tho what do yall think of progeny debain 2.0 (dev edition) and the installer for him maybe? |
| 05:28.11 | JoshTriplett | Mike-29: I may be wrong, debian-installer has improved greatly though. |
| 05:28.36 | bob2 | Asking about $foo in #not-$foo sounds kinda silly |
| 05:28.47 | Jimmy1 | When I login to my debian machine I see Application "tasklist_applet" (process 866) has crashed due to a fatal error. |
| 05:28.49 | Jimmy1 | over and over. |
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| 05:28.56 | Jimmy1 | what do you gusy think is causing this? |
| 05:29.04 | Mike-29 | hmmmmm than I gotta go dig out the old pcmcia cdrom :\ |
| 05:29.12 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: Well, considering that it is listed as "Alpha 1", I would say no. |
| 05:29.16 | Mike-29 | any other suggestions |
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| 05:29.25 | JoshTriplett | Mike-29: Ask on #debian-boot . |
| 05:29.30 | Mike-29 | k thx |
| 05:29.38 | JoshTriplett | Mike-29: They know more about the installer, and can help you review your options. |
| 05:29.39 | TheCoderThatISDa | dont think alpha 1 is that bad heh |
| 05:29.45 | steven | how can i fix this error in ntop: 16/Jun/2004 21:29:01 Database '/var/lib/ntop/dnsCache.db' open failed: Can't be writer |
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| 05:30.23 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: Well, beta usually means "this might break", and alpha usually means "this will almost certainly break". |
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| 05:30.36 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: (In my experience, anyway.) |
| 05:30.40 | TheCoderThatISDa | ok |
| 05:31.03 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: Hence the subtitle "dev edition" meaning "for developers to try out". |
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| 05:31.28 | steven | how can i fix this error in ntop: 16/Jun/2004 21:29:01 Database '/var/lib/ntop/dnsCache.db' open failed: Can't be writer |
| 05:31.59 | TheCoderThatISDa | Yeah I Like Beta Testing Things Tho, Maybe Ill See What It Does |
| 05:32.29 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: That's A Nice Title, But You Can Also write words in lowercase. |
| 05:32.45 | JoshTriplett | ;) |
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| 05:32.48 | TheCoderThatISDa | ok sorry : ) |
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| 05:33.02 | TheCoderThatISDa | it ripped the last part of it off |
| 05:33.19 | TheCoderThatISDa | it was supposed to be thecoderthatisdark ehh |
| 05:33.21 | yxa | any knows what should i change in exim.conf to forward all mails that is going to acertain domain to another mail server? |
| 05:33.25 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Any luck? |
| 05:33.35 | ilovelinux | yeah |
| 05:33.36 | ilovelinux | it works |
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| 05:33.39 | ilovelinux | but it doesn't shutdown |
| 05:33.48 | ilovelinux | 2.6 boots at least |
| 05:33.51 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: Actually, I meant your comment - "Yeah I Like Beta Testing Things Tho, Maybe Ill See What It Does" |
| 05:34.04 | ilovelinux | but when i shutdown -h now... it still tells me to "Power Down." |
| 05:34.13 | ilovelinux | that i have to shut the power switch myself |
| 05:34.22 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: What about "poweroff"? |
| 05:34.31 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Does that work? |
| 05:34.34 | noodles | is it possible to get pre-compiled linux 2.4.22 sparc modules anywhere? |
| 05:34.59 | ilovelinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:35.01 | ilovelinux | i didn't try |
| 05:35.19 | ilovelinux | would it be different? |
| 05:35.20 | TheCoderThatISDa | KOshTripplet: Oh Lol Ah Dang I Did It Again... this is better |
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| 05:36.02 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: I think so. Let me check on my system. |
| 05:36.24 | The_Vulture | TheCoderThatISDa: why does it matter? |
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| 05:36.36 | jetscreamer | old motherboard |
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| 05:37.20 | TheCoderThatISDa | The_Vulture: Must have not been readming, nvm : ) |
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| 05:38.07 | ilovelinux | so many people coming in and out... |
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| 05:38.23 | bob2 | ilovelinux: one of the busiest channels around |
| 05:38.25 | ilovelinux | why do those people just pop in and leave the moment they get in? |
| 05:38.27 | ilovelinux | yep... |
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| 05:39.59 | bob2 | ilovelinux: they're idiots, usually |
| 05:40.05 | SEP | afraid of commitment maybe ? :) |
| 05:40.16 | TheCoderThatISDa | How long would it take to do an apt-get update on a dialup system? |
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| 05:40.31 | bob2 | 15 minutes |
| 05:40.32 | bob2 | for sid |
| 05:40.34 | ilovelinux | depends on what you're updating... |
| 05:40.42 | bob2 | woody is about half as lin |
| 05:40.47 | SEP | depends on how many source you have |
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| 05:41.32 | TheCoderThatISDa | WHat exactly does it uppdate? it cant update xfree86 in 15 minutes can it? |
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| 05:41.38 | ilovelinux | no... |
| 05:41.48 | ilovelinux | it doesn't update anything but the list of packages |
| 05:41.52 | loader | I want to add one sentence to the first line and last line of a very large file, how can I do that? |
| 05:42.00 | bob2 | with a text editor? |
| 05:42.02 | ilovelinux | you'll need sed |
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| 05:42.09 | TheCoderThatISDa | that plain gives a tiny little suck |
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| 05:42.29 | loader | yes, but I don't familiar with sed |
| 05:42.36 | ilovelinux | me niether |
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| 05:42.37 | ilovelinux | lol |
| 05:42.52 | ilovelinux | klined.... |
| 05:42.54 | loader | the file is about 4GB |
| 05:42.59 | ilovelinux | i wonder is it the same dude... |
| 05:43.06 | ilovelinux | can't you just use a text editor? |
| 05:43.08 | loader | so I don't want to use a text editor |
| 05:43.11 | peterS | ilovelinux: who? |
| 05:43.20 | ilovelinux | all those people popping in and out |
| 05:43.32 | The_Vulture | loader: thdre are perfectly good text editors that can deal with large files.. |
| 05:43.32 | ilovelinux | they will be able to handle it |
| 05:43.36 | ilovelinux | vim |
| 05:43.40 | ilovelinux | just edit the top |
| 05:43.42 | peterS | ilovelinux: ahhh. I'm blocking all those now |
| 05:43.46 | Guerin | loader: emacs |
| 05:43.50 | ilovelinux | then hit G to go to the bottom |
| 05:43.53 | ilovelinux | and edit the bottom |
| 05:43.58 | ilovelinux | that's shift+g |
| 05:43.58 | The_Vulture | I'm not sure how vim would go, it does make working files n stuff.. perhaps there are some useful modes so it doesn't do that |
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| 05:44.19 | TheCoderThatISDa | How big is kde binary? i have a feeling my friend will want more up to date stuff than woddy. but with dialup, upgrading KDE may be suicide |
| 05:44.32 | loader | It takes a very long time to load the file, |
| 05:44.32 | ilovelinux | actually...vim doesn't do well with long strings |
| 05:44.36 | SEP | forget about that |
| 05:44.40 | bbmj | how many ide disk drives does 2.4 linux support? |
| 05:44.42 | Guerin | TheCoderThatISDa: big... about 300MB I think |
| 05:44.47 | ilovelinux | kde?! |
| 05:44.48 | peterS | bbmj: I think 10 |
| 05:44.52 | ilovelinux | over dialup? |
| 05:44.54 | ilovelinux | burn him a CD |
| 05:44.57 | ilovelinux | would be best... |
| 05:44.57 | TheCoderThatISDa | dang |
| 05:45.07 | TheCoderThatISDa | ok |
| 05:45.08 | peterS | bbmj: possibly only 8, possibly 12 |
| 05:45.21 | TheCoderThatISDa | HE wanted me to do SourceMage over dialup : ( |
| 05:45.23 | bbmj | peterS, i'm trying to get my 9th and 10th to work. i'm kinda thinking 8. |
| 05:45.26 | SEP | i have a local mirror on a removeable harddrive, woody, sarge, and backports, updates it with apt-mirror at work and carry it home |
| 05:45.33 | Guerin | TheCoderThatISDa: if you're on broadband, get the packages for him and burn them to disk, then get him to install them all from cd |
| 05:45.39 | peterS | bbmj: you might have to create extra device nodes. cd /dev; MAKEDEV hdi hdj |
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| 05:45.45 | TheCoderThatISDa | ok |
| 05:46.12 | ilovelinux | too bad i don't have a removable hd or a network HD |
| 05:46.17 | loader | is there anyone can help me with sed? |
| 05:46.18 | ilovelinux | that would be so convenient |
| 05:46.26 | ilovelinux | i can only tell you to man sed... |
| 05:46.29 | ilovelinux | i don't know it well enough |
| 05:46.35 | Guerin | TheCoderThatISDa: but a full system over dial-up isn't impossible, as long as you can leave it on 24x7 and you get full (5kbps) rate from a mirror |
| 05:46.45 | bonez39 | what modules should show up with 'lsmod' if I have sound compiled correctly for a new kernel? |
| 05:46.48 | peterS | loader: what are you trying to do with sed? |
| 05:46.49 | TheCoderThatISDa | yeah |
| 05:46.53 | ilovelinux | it would be easier to use a text editor |
| 05:46.59 | jwagler | Anyone know any IRC group for x programming questions? |
| 05:47.06 | jm_ | bonez39: the one that are actually loaded |
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| 05:47.08 | jm_ | ones |
| 05:47.09 | Eclipser | irc group? |
| 05:47.11 | loader | ilovelinux: that's not easy for me to understand |
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| 05:47.25 | ilovelinux | me niether |
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| 05:47.29 | ilovelinux | use a text editor |
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| 05:47.31 | ilovelinux | it'll be the simplest |
| 05:47.33 | ilovelinux | any luck Josh? |
| 05:47.43 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: poweroff and shutdown -h now both power off, on my system. |
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| 05:47.55 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Check /etc/default/halt . |
| 05:47.55 | jwagler | anyone know of an irc CHANNEL for x progrraming |
| 05:48.03 | bonez39 | jm_: at the risk of sounding really naive...sound has just worked before...how do I know what to look for? |
| 05:48.09 | TheCoderThatISDa | Any debian boxed sets available? |
| 05:48.10 | ilovelinux | what should it say? |
| 05:48.16 | jm_ | bonez39: what has changed since then ? |
| 05:48.18 | ilovelinux | mine says HALT=poweroff |
| 05:48.21 | sidicas | JoshTriplett: I don't have /etc/default/halt |
| 05:48.22 | Guerin | TheCoderThatISDa: woody, yes. Sarge/sid, no. |
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| 05:48.27 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: That's what mine says. |
| 05:48.37 | JoshTriplett | sidicas: Are you on testing or unstable? |
| 05:48.37 | ilovelinux | hardware incompatibility? |
| 05:48.50 | sidicas | JoshTriplett: Half way between testing an stable |
| 05:48.52 | k-god | bonez39: It's more a matter of what to listen for, but regardless ;-) |
| 05:48.56 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Could be, but you said it worked under $OTHER_DISTRO |
| 05:48.56 | bonez39 | jm_: I compiled 2.6.6 ....was working sound was working with 2.4.22 kernel.. |
| 05:49.05 | bonez39 | k-god: ok....... |
| 05:49.09 | ilovelinux | mandrake... |
| 05:49.16 | k-god | bonez39: Check your mixer levels as a first easy solution: aumix or another mixer, see that nothing's zeroed. Particularly master volume. |
| 05:49.33 | JoshTriplett | sidicas: /etc/default/halt doesn't exist under stable. |
| 05:49.35 | jm_ | bonez39: check which modules you used for it and use comparable ones in 2.6 (the names will be slightly different, since it uses ALSA, so snd*) |
| 05:49.38 | TheCoderThatISDa | For some reason when i got debian i started to want to be an activist, so i have a debian suitcase, tshirt and lots of junk |
| 05:49.47 | ilovelinux | haha |
| 05:49.51 | k-god | bonez39: Look at your 2.4 modules list. See what you had. 'lspci' will show what's on your PCI bus, and should show your soundcard |
| 05:49.56 | ilovelinux | if you don't use the debian tshirt... |
| 05:49.57 | sidicas | JoshTriplett: How do you do it on stable then? |
| 05:49.59 | ilovelinux | send it over to me |
| 05:50.00 | bonez39 | k-god: You are saying to check those listings from lsmod? |
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| 05:50.05 | Guerin | TheCoderThatISDa: heh. Have you got a sid t-shirt? With the skull on? |
| 05:50.14 | TheCoderThatISDa | Guerin: NO sorry |
| 05:50.16 | JoshTriplett | sidicas: Well, it worked there too, with no effort on my part. |
| 05:50.20 | k-god | bonez39: your /etc/modules file may list what you'd loaded previously. |
| 05:50.31 | k-god | bonez39: I'm an old-timer and haven't made the leap to 2.6 yet. |
| 05:50.34 | bonez39 | k-god: lspci shows no sound card at all, despite there being one in this machine.. |
| 05:50.35 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Well, you might try seeing what is different between your mandrake kernel and your Debian kernel. |
| 05:50.35 | ilovelinux | Josh...are you using a pre-compiled kernel? |
| 05:50.37 | TheCoderThatISDa | Where can i get one? |
| 05:50.48 | ilovelinux | my mandrake kernel has been long deleted... |
| 05:50.50 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: No, but it worked when I was. |
| 05:50.58 | ilovelinux | and i doubt it'll work for Debian |
| 05:51.19 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: If you remember which one you were using, you could check the Mandrake site or elsewhere for the kernel configuration file (.config) |
| 05:51.21 | ilovelinux | is your kernel for a K7? |
| 05:51.34 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: No, Pentium 3. |
| 05:51.46 | ilovelinux | hmmm |
| 05:51.49 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: One built for a 386 worked too. |
| 05:51.51 | ilovelinux | i can't get it off you |
| 05:52.08 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: What is your hardware? |
| 05:52.15 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Desktop, laptop? |
| 05:52.20 | ilovelinux | desktop |
| 05:52.27 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Chipset if you know? |
| 05:52.36 | ilovelinux | SIS660 i believe |
| 05:52.39 | ilovelinux | wait |
| 05:52.41 | ilovelinux | 630 |
| 05:52.43 | ilovelinux | or 730 |
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| 05:53.14 | ilovelinux | SIS630/730... linux uses the same drivers for those 2 chipsets |
| 05:53.16 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Mine is a laptop, a Dell Inspiron 8100, so my .config wouldn't have helped you anyway. |
| 05:53.21 | TheCoderThatISDa | dude, i just searched google for debian boxed shirt... |
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| 05:53.45 | k-god | bonez39: What should you be seeing then? |
| 05:53.56 | k-god | bonez39: I've got to split right now, don't count on me being here. |
| 05:53.58 | ilovelinux | you mean .config file to compile the kernel? |
| 05:54.12 | bonez39 | k-god: ok, I'll keep hacking..thanks for the pointers |
| 05:54.25 | bonez39 | ilovelinux: yeah, the .config to compile a new kernel |
| 05:54.35 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: That's its main purpose, but you can also compare them to see what's different. |
| 05:55.01 | TheCoderThatISDa | Pointers? Where! int var = &othervar; |
| 05:55.09 | bonez39 | ilovelinux: I'd like to figure out exactly what I need and then cut away all the other crap that ends up getting compiled in..I see stuff in there..for equipment I'll never have in this machine..yet, it all gets compiled in...thousands of items.... |
| 05:55.20 | ilovelinux | i'm afraid of compiling kernels and compiling large things like gnome and kde |
| 05:55.23 | sidicas | Can anyone speculate on why I get about 45 more fps on Quake3 benchmarks when I set my desktop resolution to 1280x1024 instead of 1024x768? It's so weird... |
| 05:55.29 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: I really don't know any more things to try, sorry. I would just suggest trying the various apm and acpi options. |
| 05:55.36 | ilovelinux | ok |
| 05:55.37 | ilovelinux | thanks |
| 05:55.42 | JoshTriplett | sidicas: Lack of sufficient video memory to run DRI, probably. |
| 05:55.51 | ilovelinux | i'll try niether |
| 05:55.53 | JoshTriplett | sidicas: Check your XFree86 log. |
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| 05:56.23 | sidicas | JoshTriplett: But.... I increased the resolution and it ran faster... |
| 05:56.28 | harsha | hey. anyone heard of this APT error? "Dynamic MMmap ran out of room" |
| 05:56.35 | sidicas | JoshTriplett: of the desktop... resolution of Quake3 I keep at 800x600 |
| 05:56.43 | g4lt | !tell harsha about apt-mmap |
| 05:56.48 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Note that the acpi options are documented in the kernel documentation (available by installing the -doc package for your kernel), but the apm stuff is only documented in the source. |
| 05:56.57 | JoshTriplett | sidicas: Sorry, misread. |
| 05:56.59 | bonez39 | jm_: let's say I boot into my older kernel, which has sound working...If I then run lspci and lsmod and then copy that information, that would get me heading in right direction, that information? |
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| 05:57.14 | JDahl | anyone here setup a small-scale OpenAFS server using the debian packages? The HOWTO on debian planet tells you to first install Kerberos for authentication, but isnt that overkill for semi-private use? |
| 05:57.21 | jm_ | bonez39: yes, but lspci in 2.6 should do the same |
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| 05:57.28 | JoshTriplett | sidicas: 45 fps improvement from what to what? |
| 05:57.31 | ilovelinux | i'm going to try compiling a kernel for myself again... |
| 05:57.35 | ilovelinux | hopefully it'll work |
| 05:57.41 | TheCoderThatISDa | £35.00 HOw much is that in U.S dollars? |
| 05:57.42 | ilovelinux | i'll come back if more problems |
| 05:57.43 | ilovelinux | bye bye |
| 05:57.44 | ilovelinux | and thanks |
| 05:57.47 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Try the options first. |
| 05:57.54 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Faster and easier. |
| 05:57.56 | sidicas | JoshTriplett: Like from 30 to 75 |
| 05:57.57 | ilovelinux | the boot options? |
| 05:57.57 | ilovelinux | ok |
| 05:58.08 | sidicas | JoshTriplett: DRI is enabled in both cases.. |
| 05:58.14 | g4lt | bonez39 /etc/modules doesn't change over bootups, so if your old kernel loaded the modules to get your sound working, the new one should load the selfsame modules |
| 05:58.21 | JoshTriplett | sidicas: How about glxgears? |
| 05:58.26 | ilovelinux | but there are some stuff like framebuffer support that i wanted to recompile but was too afraid too |
| 05:58.36 | bonez39 | jm_: so you are saying that whatever lspci lists, it would show the same whether running 2.6 or 2.4 kernel....? |
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| 05:58.49 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Regarding framebuffer, be afraid, be very afraid. ;) |
| 05:58.53 | sidicas | JoshTriplett: Same effect but more fps difference, almost 100 fps+ |
| 05:58.56 | ilovelinux | afraid? |
| 05:58.57 | ilovelinux | uhhhhhhh |
| 05:59.02 | ilovelinux | i'm afraid enough as it is... |
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| 05:59.21 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: (Not that bad, just causes problems with interactions between X and the framebuffer.) |
| 05:59.54 | jm_ | bonez39: correct |
| 05:59.55 | bonez39 | g4it: ok, I understand....all I see in /etc/modules, would be 'sb' for my soundblaster sound card....but lspci does not list that, despite it showing up during boot, it is recognized during booting the 2.6 kernel |
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| 06:00.03 | ilovelinux | i do have both X and framebuffers... |
| 06:00.08 | TheCoderThatISDa | openstuff |
| 06:00.10 | sidicas | It should run a *lot* faster than 30fps I'd think.. 600 Mhz Athlon w/Radeon 7000 VE (32 MB DDR) |
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| 06:00.15 | ilovelinux | why was Mandrake able to make all of them work? |
| 06:00.25 | ilovelinux | ah whatever... |
| 06:00.29 | ilovelinux | i shall battle framebuffers |
| 06:00.31 | Jimmy1 | My video card is a Intel 845 G/GL Integrated Video Ver. A08. I don't see any type of card in xfree86config that matches up with this! Is there a card that is similar? |
| 06:00.34 | ilovelinux | and poweroff and everything else |
| 06:00.36 | TheCoderThatISDa | openstuff.org |
| 06:00.44 | bonez39 | jm_: why then is it not showing my sound card info, from lspci? |
| 06:01.03 | ilovelinux | http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm <- a good howto for beginners to learn how to compile the kernel the debian way... |
| 06:01.03 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Not impossible that they can work together, just some gotchas. |
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| 06:01.16 | jm_ | bonez39: you might have forgotten to include support for this in kernel - why not try kernel-image-foo ? |
| 06:01.24 | Eclipser | what's the debian way o.O |
| 06:01.32 | g4lt | sidicas the Radeon VE's aren't that speedy... |
| 06:01.44 | JoshTriplett | Eclipser: make-kpkg in package kernel-package. /msg dpkg kp |
| 06:01.58 | w00b | can someone point me to a good working woody netinstall image? |
| 06:02.02 | TheCoderThatISDa | Theres a DEBIAN way to compile the kernel, i just did it the same wioth all distros : ) |
| 06:02.14 | JoshTriplett | sidicas: Strange. Could be that some texture type or other feature is not supported under the higher resolution, and so it degrades to a lower quality. That wouldn't explain the result with glxgears, though. |
| 06:02.24 | g4lt | sidicas however, mine (64M) is doing 114 FPS |
| 06:02.31 | ilovelinux | it uses dpkg and all |
| 06:02.34 | sidicas | g4lt: It's what I'm getting...Did you turn on pageflipping? |
| 06:02.44 | JoshTriplett | TheCoderThatISDa: The Debian way produces a .deb package that you can install and remove, and that automatically sets up the bootloader, and other nice stuff. |
| 06:02.45 | sidicas | g4lt: Gives like a 20% boost at least |
| 06:02.54 | g4lt | sidicas no, this is literally a stock setup |
| 06:03.01 | ilovelinux | do i need headers? |
| 06:03.10 | chitiri | what gui have kde to setup network ip and dns ? |
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| 06:03.35 | bob2 | w00b: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 06:03.41 | JoshTriplett | chitiri: konsole? :) |
| 06:03.42 | bob2 | w00b: but it's linked from the debian CD website... |
| 06:03.49 | bonez39 | jm_: I notice from dmesg that it shows isapnp my Creatie Labs sound card....Creative Vibra16c PNP...is this why it's not showing as PCI, ? |
| 06:04.01 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Kernel headers? Only if you need to compile external drivers against the stock kernel. |
| 06:04.06 | bonez39 | jm_: kernel-image-foo? |
| 06:04.09 | chitiri | JoshTriplett: JoshTriplett, gui, not cli |
| 06:04.14 | jm_ | bonez39: yes, it's not a PCI card :P |
| 06:04.23 | JoshTriplett | chitiri: Just joking, hence the :) |
| 06:04.29 | jm_ | bonez39: read VIBRA16 |
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| 06:04.36 | sidicas | g4lt: Try running the benchmark in Quake3 with desktop resolution set to 1024x768, then restart X with desktop res of 1280x1024 and rerun the test... Maybe you will see the same effect I did? |
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| 06:04.50 | carrett | for X toolkit options, the file to edit is ~/.Xdefaults, right? Did I get the correct capitilization? |
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| 06:05.16 | g4lt | sidicas maybe, but I'm using glxgears. I eally try to avoid quake with my VE |
| 06:05.18 | JoshTriplett | carrett: The correct spelling is "~/.Xresources". |
| 06:05.19 | ilovelinux | ok |
| 06:05.23 | ilovelinux | then none needed |
| 06:05.23 | jm_ | bonez39: although it should be much simpler now that kernel has PnP support - try loading sb module, see if it works (but make sure your kernel has PnP support enabled and loaded if it's a module) |
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| 06:05.31 | JoshTriplett | chitiri: I always just edit /etc/network/interfaces for ip configuration. You might try webmin for the dns configuration. |
| 06:05.34 | sidicas | g4lt: When I set my desktop res to 1280x1024, I get the most fps in Quake3, but anything higher or lower I lose fps fast. |
| 06:05.34 | TheCoderThatISDa | Where can i actually order a Sarge DVD? all they have is stable, even cheapbytes... |
| 06:05.42 | bbmj | man they need to make bigger cases. only being able to fit 10 hard drives in a case is bs. ;) |
| 06:05.45 | sidicas | g4lt: Same thing happens with glxgears... try it :-) |
| 06:05.47 | ilovelinux | wow |
| 06:05.52 | ilovelinux | the kernel source is 35 mb |
| 06:06.05 | sidicas | g4lt: Make sure you completely restart X |
| 06:06.06 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: That's nothing, you should see the source to OpenOffice.org . |
| 06:06.10 | Eclipser | ilovelinux, it's not |
| 06:06.13 | Eclipser | it's 35MB |
| 06:06.21 | JoshTriplett | Eclipser: True. |
| 06:06.31 | carrett | JoshTriplett: and that's where I edit xterm's default background colors, etc. right? |
| 06:06.31 | ilovelinux | i had a friend... |
| 06:06.37 | ilovelinux | who spent several days compiling gnome |
| 06:06.39 | JoshTriplett | Eclipser: Or if you _really_ want to be pedantic, it's 35MiB |
| 06:06.46 | Eclipser | JoshTriplett, true that |
| 06:06.49 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Let me guess, gentoo? |
| 06:06.50 | g4lt | sidicas actually, given my experience with ATI and accelerated drivers, they tend to make one resolution REALLY good almost at the expense of other resolutions |
| 06:07.00 | ilovelinux | BSD |
| 06:07.00 | Eclipser | but 35MB is fine, imo |
| 06:07.09 | bonez39 | jm_: I know I sound really dumb about this, is it 'insmod sb' or similar to try loading the sb module? |
| 06:07.12 | ilovelinux | FreeBSD i believe.. |
| 06:07.13 | Eclipser | 35mb is something complitely different |
| 06:07.15 | chitiri | JoshTriplett: i always edit interfaces too, but i'm looking some graphical to a friend meeting kde |
| 06:07.16 | sidicas | g4lt: So you suppose that maybe 1280x1024 is specifically optimized in someway? |
| 06:07.17 | bbmj | it took me three days to compile open office using a dual p3 600 system. |
| 06:07.24 | SEP | yes or modprobe |
| 06:07.24 | JoshTriplett | bonez39: modprobe sb. |
| 06:07.26 | ilovelinux | 3 days?! |
| 06:07.26 | jm_ | bonez39: well modprobe sb and see what happens |
| 06:07.29 | sidicas | g4lt: Probably right.. |
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| 06:07.35 | JoshTriplett | bbmj: 8 hours here, 1GHz P3. |
| 06:07.38 | Eclipser | sidicas, that sounds extremely stupid :) |
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| 06:07.50 | JoshTriplett | bbmj: Or 2 hours on rebuilds, using ccache. |
| 06:07.54 | sidicas | Eclipser: How else would you explain it? |
| 06:07.54 | ilovelinux | why would you need to compile your own OpenOffice? |
| 06:08.00 | bbmj | JoshTriplett, it was a bsd system. i was hating it. |
| 06:08.10 | Eclipser | sidicas, no idea but it still sounds very stupid |
| 06:08.14 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Well, I was doing development on it. |
| 06:08.15 | ilovelinux | BSD makes you compile everything.. |
| 06:08.19 | ilovelinux | they don't believe in Binaries |
| 06:08.22 | ilovelinux | ahh |
| 06:08.22 | ilovelinux | ok |
| 06:08.30 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: I think they have binary ports, too. |
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| 06:08.39 | bbmj | JoshTriplett, they do. |
| 06:08.44 | g4lt | sidicas just blind luck that the optimizes resolution is my default |
| 06:08.46 | ilovelinux | FreeBSD? |
| 06:08.54 | ilovelinux | i went to that channel... |
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| 06:08.59 | bbmj | ilovelinux, yes. |
| 06:08.59 | ilovelinux | they were real against binaries |
| 06:09.08 | ilovelinux | almost got eaten alive for mentioning linux |
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| 06:09.16 | Eclipser | :) |
| 06:09.19 | sidicas | Eclipser: I can't figure it out.. Maybe I shouldn't have some of these X modules installed for gaming? dbe? ddc? |
| 06:09.33 | bonez39 | jm_: there's the rub....modprobe shows Fatal: sb module not found |
| 06:09.34 | bbmj | ilovelinux, ya alot of bsd users a really REALLY anal. |
| 06:09.40 | ilovelinux | then got laughed at for mentioning binaries |
| 06:09.47 | Eclipser | sidicas, what gfx card you got? |
| 06:09.56 | ilovelinux | they said something to the effect... we don't believe in binaries |
| 06:09.58 | sidicas | Eclipser: Radeon 7000 VE (32 MB DDR) |
| 06:10.04 | ilovelinux | but i'm going to save this for tomorrow |
| 06:10.07 | Eclipser | what drivers? |
| 06:10.07 | ilovelinux | goodnight folks |
| 06:10.16 | bbmj | but of course having to deal with bsd everyday would make me anal too. |
| 06:10.27 | ilovelinux | hahah |
| 06:10.36 | TheCoderThatISDa | http://cart.cheapbytes.com/cgi-bin/cart/0070010956.html Looky there, if only i had a dvd drive, is it really that unstable. Ive used woody fo rlike 3 years heh |
| 06:10.38 | ilovelinux | they have a "superiority complex" |
| 06:10.45 | jm_ | bonez39: find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name '*sb*' |
| 06:10.50 | sidicas | Eclipser: The ones in kernel 2.6.4 and XFree86 4.3.0.dfsg...... |
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| 06:11.04 | JoshTriplett | ilovelinux: Check out the news items on openoffice.debian.net |
| 06:11.15 | g4lt | TheCoderThatISDa no, we call it unstable because we like to confuse people |
| 06:11.21 | TheCoderThatISDa | lol |
| 06:11.25 | Jimmy1 | My video card is a Intel 845 G/GL Integrated Video Ver. A08. I don't see any type of card in xfree86config that matches up with this! Is there a card that is similar? |
| 06:11.36 | Jimmy1 | Am I screwed? |
| 06:11.38 | TheCoderThatISDa | who uses SID here? |
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| 06:12.01 | g4lt | TheCoderThatISDa IT'S NOT A FUCKING ACRONYM |
| 06:12.05 | peterS | Jimmy1: debian stable, or unstable? |
| 06:12.08 | g4lt | its Sid |
| 06:12.14 | bonez39 | jm_: thanks...none show sound..I think I need to recompile....sighhhhhhhh.....back to the drawing board... |
| 06:12.34 | Jimmy1 | peter: unstalbe I believe. |
| 06:12.39 | TheCoderThatISDa | g4lt: io never said it was..... |
| 06:12.49 | harsha | sid - unstable woody -stable Sarge testing |
| 06:13.03 | Eclipser | sarge \o/ |
| 06:13.05 | peterS | Jimmy1: i810 |
| 06:13.12 | sevenseventy | HEREHE, HEREHE Gmail for all my friend at shimon.uni.cc and yes it works |
| 06:13.20 | Jimmy1 | peter: This sounds horrible. But I am not sure. First day using Debian. |
| 06:13.46 | amphi | sevenseventy: ugh |
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| 06:14.04 | peterS | Jimmy1: also, 'xf86config' is not really recommended - the better program is 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 06:14.07 | Eclipser | why's everyone advertising gmail in here |
| 06:14.12 | sevenseventy | debian users are my friends |
| 06:14.27 | jm_ | bonez39: compile it as module only, see if it works |
| 06:14.44 | JoshTriplett | whoa, I saw no messages for a couple of minutes, then three pages worth. |
| 06:14.55 | TheCoderThatISDa | heh |
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| 06:15.07 | Jimmy1 | peterS: Excellent. Let me try that. |
| 06:15.22 | bob2 | sevenseventy: please keep it on-topic... |
| 06:15.30 | nator | if i burn a .deb file to my cdrom then i can use apt to install it from the cdrom correct? |
| 06:15.41 | sevenseventy | OKOK, but u are all my friends |
| 06:15.49 | peterS | nator: not directly, unless you create an index which you also burn to the cdrom |
| 06:16.05 | bonez39 | jm_: are you saying I can just compile the module, not needing to recompile the whole kernel? I know my questions are lame..just trying to figure this out |
| 06:16.05 | g4lt | nator what's wrong with dpkg -i? |
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| 06:16.21 | Eclipser | nator, why would you want to do that anyway?-p |
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| 06:16.50 | Oax | hi. gdb is giving me trouble. i try to set a breakpoint, then run the program, but it skips my breakpoint, and says: shared library handler failed to enable breakpoint |
| 06:16.53 | Oax | what gives? |
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| 06:17.08 | Jimmy1 | peter: NOW I see the Explorer PS/2! :) |
| 06:17.10 | nator | well i have a minimal system, one partition winxp one debian, and need to get the .deb files to the debian partition, i have to network support on the debian side yet. |
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| 06:17.14 | rSk^pG | hi @ |
| 06:17.19 | nator | so need some way to get the files there. |
| 06:17.36 | carrett | hey, I just added "XTerm*foreground: black" and "XTerm*background: green" to ~/.Xresources yet, when I run xterm I still get white background with black text...why? |
| 06:17.42 | nator | no net support on debian side. |
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| 06:18.10 | peterS | carrett: did you do "xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources" after editing it? |
| 06:18.18 | bob2 | nator: you can read windows NTFS filesystems |
| 06:18.34 | carrett | peterS: no, thanks! |
| 06:18.41 | nator | bob2 can ya point me in the way of a guide to do that? |
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| 06:18.52 | bob2 | mount -t ntfs /dev/whatever /mnt/windows |
| 06:19.06 | jm_ | bonez39: yes, that often works |
| 06:19.08 | JoshTriplett | nator, bob2: That assumes your kernel has ntfs support. |
| 06:19.19 | bob2 | of course. |
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| 06:19.27 | peterS | not a bad idea to put "-o ro" in that line too |
| 06:19.33 | peterS | just in case you really do have r/w support compiled in |
| 06:19.41 | nator | well i just installed the woods-i386-1.iso thats all i have. kernel 2.2 |
| 06:19.42 | JoshTriplett | bob2: Just saying because I'm not sure the Debian kernel does. |
| 06:19.54 | jm_ | it defaults to ro support only anyway, unless kernel has NTFS RW support enabled |
| 06:19.56 | JoshTriplett | nator: Then definitely not. |
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| 06:20.19 | JoshTriplett | peterS, jm_: Even then, the newer driver only allows the operations it knows are safe. |
| 06:20.21 | peterS | !real kernel |
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| 06:20.21 | dpkg | The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance |
| 06:20.40 | nator | alright, so what is the best way for me to install packages cause looks like i have to recompile the kernel to get support for my wLAN card. |
| 06:20.41 | jm_ | JoshTriplett: the one on sf.net ? |
| 06:20.45 | carrett | peterS: how do i make those changes to .Xresources permanent (they are in effect even when i restart X)? |
| 06:20.46 | peterS | JoshTriplett: that so? this "newer driver" I'm assuming is not the one in 2.4? |
| 06:21.00 | peterS | carrett: just by putting them in .Xresources |
| 06:21.01 | JoshTriplett | peterS: It is in the newer 2.4s |
| 06:21.04 | peterS | carrett: it gets read when you log in |
| 06:21.17 | carrett | peterS: hmmm.... |
| 06:21.19 | peterS | JoshTriplett: ah, did the 2.1 driver get merged? |
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| 06:21.49 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I think so. |
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| 06:21.58 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Don't know it by version. |
| 06:22.09 | bonez39 | jm_: I hate to keep you busy with my project here...would it be make modules sb (or whatever module I need?) |
| 06:22.19 | JoshTriplett | peterS: The one with support for writing over existing files or mmaping them. |
| 06:22.25 | jm_ | bonez39: no, you'll have to do make modules_install again |
| 06:22.28 | nator | the only thing i can think of is burning .deb packages to cd and installing via apt, has anyone experience with this? |
| 06:22.28 | peterS | JoshTriplett: yeah, sounds like NTFS 2.1.0 |
| 06:22.37 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Which lets people do installations in loopback files on NTFS partitions. |
| 06:22.41 | jm_ | possibly followed by depmod -a, I don't use 2.6 so I am not familiar with all the steps required |
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| 06:22.46 | bonez39 | jm_: you are a very patient, I figured you'd have told me to rtfm's long ago.... |
| 06:22.53 | bonez39 | ok.... |
| 06:22.54 | JoshTriplett | jm_: Yes, that's where it is developed, although that site is no longer maintained. |
| 06:22.59 | carrett | peterS: sorry to bug, but it's still not working. i put it in ~/.Xresources, did xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources and then tried ending the X session and issuing startx again and, though the options were still in .Xresources, xterm still came up black foreground with white background... |
| 06:23.18 | jm_ | carrett: appress XTerm |
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| 06:23.23 | jm_ | appres even |
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| 06:23.57 | Jimmy1 | peter: I tried using the i810 but when I attempt to start X I get the error (EE) NO devices detected. |
| 06:24.01 | Jimmy1 | "no screends found" |
| 06:24.01 | peterS | carrett: hmmm, I don't have xterm installed so I can't check the manpage, but are you sure 'foreground' and 'background' are the right resource names? |
| 06:24.04 | Jimmy1 | any ideas? |
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| 06:24.08 | JoshTriplett | carrett: Try "xterm.vt100.Background:" instead of "XTerm*background". |
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| 06:24.25 | JoshTriplett | carrett: ditto for Foreground |
| 06:24.37 | peterS | carrett: you can test these resource names with the following: xterm -xrm '*foreground: green' -xrm '*background: black' |
| 06:24.40 | peterS | carrett: or similar |
| 06:24.55 | carrett | peterS: yeah, they're the right ones |
| 06:24.55 | peterS | carrett: that's how you can tell if you're specifying a resource correctly |
| 06:24.56 | carrett | peterS: do you use X? |
| 06:25.01 | peterS | carrett: yeah, but not xterm |
| 06:25.14 | carrett | peterS: what instead? |
| 06:25.19 | peterS | carrett: rxvt / aterm |
| 06:25.20 | JoshTriplett | peterS: That doesn't work here. Or does .Xresources override it? |
| 06:25.32 | nator | can't seem to find a recompiling the kernel howto for DEBIAN, can i just use the one on the linux site? |
| 06:25.36 | peterS | JoshTriplett: -xrm should override the resource database |
| 06:25.52 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Well, here the command line you gave didn't work. |
| 06:25.54 | peterS | JoshTriplett: try it with syntax that you know works |
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| 06:26.03 | jm_ | nator: it's the same, but you can make a kernel-image deb file if you want |
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| 06:26.07 | peterS | JoshTriplett: then maybe the resource names 'background' and 'foreground' aren't correct after all |
| 06:26.13 | jm_ | they are |
| 06:26.35 | JoshTriplett | peterS: xterm -xrm '.vt100.Foreground: green' doesn't work either |
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| 06:26.47 | nator | jm is there a guide to do all that somewhere? just point me and i'll RTFM :) |
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| 06:26.57 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Even though the syntax I gave earlier works in my .Xresources . |
| 06:27.05 | debian | nator: apt-get install kernel-package | zless /usr/share/kernel-package/README.gz |
| 06:27.12 | lii | nator: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.html |
| 06:27.22 | JoshTriplett | debian: s/|/and/ |
| 06:27.24 | edrx | what's the syntax for querying the bots about the upgrade to testing?... |
| 06:27.24 | jm_ | nator: some notes are in the FAQ, then there are various Debian related documents that also deal with it, and /msg dpkg kp and /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
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| 06:27.46 | nator | lii, jm thanks, going to be a looong day :) |
| 06:28.03 | jm_ | nator: it's very simple, just configure it and run two commands - et voila |
| 06:28.07 | grendel | hello everyone |
| 06:28.20 | carrett | JoshTriplett: that didn't work either. it's something about the .Xresources options being used each time I start the X server because after I xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources it works no prob. |
| 06:28.25 | nator | jm ok :).. |
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| 06:28.31 | harsha | !tell edrx about apt-mmap |
| 06:28.50 | nator | jm but i still have to get it to that partition, best way to burn it??? |
| 06:29.07 | edrx | grendel: hey, beware, beowulf might be around :) |
| 06:29.07 | mfdu | i compiled apache with make, make install -how can i uninstall it |
| 06:29.14 | jm_ | carrett: Debian's X session scripts merge your Xresources |
| 06:29.29 | edrx | harsha: thx :) |
| 06:29.34 | jm_ | nator: well you need kernel sources and kernel-package installed |
| 06:29.45 | nator | lol |
| 06:29.49 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Any thoughts on why the -xrm didn't work here? |
| 06:29.50 | nator | shit |
| 06:29.55 | bob2 | mfdu: rm all the files you installed |
| 06:30.00 | bob2 | if you didn't keep track, you lose |
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| 06:30.08 | peterS | JoshTriplett: not sure, I don't have xterm installed to test |
| 06:30.11 | bob2 | the make file might have an "uninstall" command, too |
| 06:30.19 | carrett | jm_: so why aren't the options working? if i fire up an xterm without first issuing xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources then the options don't go into effect...if i do the xrdb they do work. |
| 06:30.22 | nator | gets back to my original question, how to i burn a .deb file to cd and load it with apt? |
| 06:30.33 | jm_ | john;replace *backgroud with XTerm*background |
| 06:30.34 | lii | nator: The machine in question has no network access? You can still ferry files in via floppy or CDROM. Have a look at the apt-zip package . |
| 06:30.43 | harsha | nator: you need to create a Pacakges.gz file |
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| 06:30.49 | JoshTriplett | nator: Mount the CD and dpkg -i file.deb |
| 06:31.08 | nator | lii that is correct. |
| 06:31.08 | bob2 | nator: make directory. put .debs in it. run "dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages". burn cd. |
| 06:31.10 | bob2 | if you're in windows, you can't |
| 06:31.14 | jm_ | carrett: run appres XTerm to see what's in effect, debug X session scripts, /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30xfree86-common_xresources takes care of it in woody |
| 06:31.14 | JoshTriplett | bob2: He can't run dpkg-scanpackages from Windows. |
| 06:31.25 | nator | i'm in windows. |
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| 06:31.33 | Jimmy1 | peter: any idea what I can try besides that i810 for my video car? the i810 bombs out. |
| 06:31.36 | JoshTriplett | nator: Just burn the deb files you need, and mount the CD in Debian, and run "dpkg -i file.deb". |
| 06:31.39 | grendel | edrx, who is beowulf ? |
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| 06:31.43 | bob2 | then you lose, and use dpkg |
| 06:31.53 | bob2 | or copy the .debs to the hard disk and run dpkg-scanpackages then |
| 06:32.03 | JoshTriplett | Jimmy1: Try vesa |
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| 06:32.11 | nator | josh ok... |
| 06:32.18 | nator | bob thanks. |
| 06:32.42 | g4lt | FFS, nator why didn't you listen to me the FIRST TIME? |
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| 06:33.16 | JoshTriplett | Well, see you all later. |
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| 06:34.06 | g4lt | you know the world would be a better place if people just listened to me |
| 06:34.11 | nator | g4lt sorry got sidetracked.. :) |
| 06:34.20 | debian | g4lt: hehehe |
| 06:34.22 | nator | thanks for your assistance though! |
| 06:35.08 | jm_ | !start a license war |
| 06:35.08 | dpkg | GPL r0xx0rs! |
| 06:35.32 | nator | also is the latest debian kernel 2.6? |
| 06:35.46 | jm_ | Debian includes many kernels |
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| 06:36.11 | g4lt | I'd not suggest 2.6 kernels for woody though |
| 06:36.17 | simon_ | how long will it take generally speaking before x86-64 moves to testing and or stable? |
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| 06:36.25 | nator | g4l2? 2.4 then? |
| 06:36.30 | bob2 | simon_: no one knows |
| 06:36.46 | g4lt | simon_ a week to testing, when testing freezes to stable |
| 06:36.47 | bob2 | amd64 isn't even in sid |
| 06:36.57 | bob2 | unless a port was added in the past few days |
| 06:37.05 | blackish | simon: ask in debian-amd64, but i already have & at least until the next stable release apparently (if i reember correct) |
| 06:37.18 | jm_ | but it's ready for it |
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| 06:37.51 | debian | bob2: so it's not a good time for a new amd64 ssytem? :( |
| 06:37.54 | simon_ | blackish: next stable after sarge you mean? |
| 06:37.59 | jm_ | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/06/msg00002.html |
| 06:38.55 | bonez39 | is it just me or does 2.6.x compile differently, isn't the make process different now, than it was for 2.4.x? |
| 06:38.58 | bob2 | debian: well..there's a port |
| 06:39.05 | bob2 | bonez39: yes, it's much quiter by default |
| 06:39.09 | g4lt | bonez39 you'er right |
| 06:39.11 | jm_ | bonez39: the build infrastructure has been revamped |
| 06:39.12 | bonez39 | at least the output while making seems much different... |
| 06:39.14 | bob2 | debian: it's just not on the Debian mirror network. |
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| 06:39.28 | jm_ | uhm that's not a word |
| 06:39.31 | Eclipser | bonez39, oh reaaaally :) |
| 06:39.36 | bob2 | debian: they have over 96% of the archive built and up to date, tho, and you can install from it quite easily |
| 06:39.46 | debian | bob2: wonder how well does it work. |
| 06:39.53 | bob2 | very well |
| 06:40.09 | debian | bob2: thanks. looks like it may be good idea to wait a little bit |
| 06:40.11 | bob2 | in the opinion of the amd64 porters, it could release with sarge |
| 06:40.20 | g4lt | bob2 they have to figure out the name, at least ;) |
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| 06:40.34 | jm_ | heh but it's probably not easy to upgrade to it from i386 |
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| 06:40.42 | bob2 | the porters unanimously decided on amd64 |
| 06:40.48 | bob2 | jm_: you have to use a chroot |
| 06:40.49 | g4lt | jm_ in fact, it's impossible |
| 06:41.05 | blackish | simon_ no sarge |
| 06:41.13 | debian | g4lt: why? |
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| 06:41.41 | lii | jm_: What would that involve, actually? A 64-bit kernel and libc, minimum? |
| 06:41.44 | g4lt | debian dpkg does NOT like to install over architecture boundaries |
| 06:41.51 | jm_ | lii: and dpkg for one |
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| 06:42.40 | lii | g4lt: How does dpkg handle mixed architectures? Like in the 32/64-bit SPARC mix? |
| 06:42.41 | nator | dpkg i assume will tell me what packages i already have installed? |
| 06:42.45 | g4lt | bob2 you'd have to talk to calc as to what the issue is |
| 06:42.47 | dpkg | nator: no idea |
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| 06:42.58 | blackish | the biggest problem i have with the port is that it doesnt appear on any mirrors :( |
| 06:43.04 | nator | lol |
| 06:43.09 | bob2 | lii: it desn't handle that at all |
| 06:43.17 | bob2 | lii: that's what "multi-arch" is about |
| 06:43.20 | lii | nator: Yes, "dpkg -l" |
| 06:43.25 | bob2 | the current amd64 port is pure 64-bit |
| 06:43.28 | g4lt | lii I really don't know. I've never tried to break the barrier |
| 06:43.29 | nator | lii thanks.. |
| 06:43.30 | bob2 | you want 32-bit crap, run it in a chroot |
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| 06:43.42 | blackish | bandwidth is exensive in OZ, I HATE TELSTRA |
| 06:43.48 | jm_ | lii: dpkg assumes one architecture afaik, i.e. what dpkg-architecture returns |
| 06:43.54 | dim1 | ha blackish. |
| 06:43.59 | dim1 | be thankful you're not in samoa. |
| 06:44.00 | debian | g4lt: debian i386 forever... :( |
| 06:44.05 | blackish | :) |
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| 06:44.27 | lii | bob2: Wouldn't rebuilding everything for amd64 bring out a rash of portability bugs? |
| 06:44.30 | g4lt | debian no, I just stay within an installable arch, like sparc32 or i386 |
| 06:44.45 | bob2 | lii: debian has had 64-bit ports for years, most everything is 64-bit clean |
| 06:44.48 | g4lt | lii I doubt that there are many of those left |
| 06:44.51 | blackish | diml well, your surf over there is good though? |
| 06:44.54 | lii | bob2: That's pretty cool. :) |
| 06:45.14 | bob2 | lii: but quite a few people are using the port now, and I haven't seen many really bad bugs on the list in ages |
| 06:45.18 | bob2 | ssh even works now! |
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| 06:45.36 | lii | g4lt: So .. all I need is now a amd64-knoppix to hijack a friend's machine with. :) |
| 06:46.20 | jm_ | lii: no, you could use the regular knoppix for a chroot install |
| 06:46.30 | g4lt | lii knoppix, OTOH is strictly i386 |
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| 06:47.07 | bob2 | there's a amd64 d-i port now, too |
| 06:47.31 | g4lt | bob2 do you want salt and pepper with your words on that one? ;P |
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| 06:47.50 | bob2 | hah |
| 06:48.00 | lii | g4lt, bob2: amd64 d-i is broken? |
| 06:48.12 | blackish | lii, correct |
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| 06:48.26 | blackish | try the howto, it is not too hard |
| 06:48.34 | g4lt | lii no, bob2 and I disagreed a bit ago on whether there would be a x86-64 installer |
| 06:49.36 | g4lt | you see, if people would just LISTEN to me, everything would work out fine ;P |
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| 06:50.04 | bob2 | hahaha |
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| 06:50.32 | jc | Is there a method for reinstalling all existing binaries that came from the packages? |
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| 06:50.48 | jc | Preferrably without re-writing any of the existing config files |
| 06:50.54 | g4lt | jc sort of |
| 06:51.13 | g4lt | !reinstall |
| 06:51.13 | dpkg | i guess reinstall is cat /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -B 1 installed|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
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| 06:52.00 | jc | Is there an advantage of one vs. the other? |
| 06:52.17 | bob2 | both do the same thing |
| 06:52.30 | bob2 | the latter would be portable if dpkg ever changed it's status file frmat |
| 06:52.35 | lii | jc: Lots of ways to skin a cat. :) Also: dpkg-awk Status:installed -- Package | awk '/.*: (.*)/ { print $2 }' | xargs apt-get install --reinstall |
| 06:52.57 | jc | 'apt-get refresh' would be cool :) |
| 06:53.11 | g4lt | jc no doubt |
| 06:53.12 | bob2 | well, you should never need to do that |
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| 06:53.30 | lii | jc: People on dialup would need to take a short vacation whilst that chugs away .. |
| 06:53.33 | g4lt | bob2 try rebuilding after the death of /usr one day |
| 06:53.37 | jc | 'should' and the real world often collide in bad ways. |
| 06:53.39 | bob2 | I'd reinstall |
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| 06:53.49 | bob2 | or use the awk script above that I wrote |
| 06:54.01 | g4lt | bob2 not if you had a valuable database in /var you wouldn't |
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| 06:54.35 | jm_ | well apt-get and dpkg and perl would be missing if /usr was gone ;) |
| 06:54.39 | jm_ | so apt-refresh won't help |
| 06:55.12 | jm_ | err apt-get refresh |
| 06:55.12 | g4lt | dpkg is in /bin |
| 06:55.12 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, g4lt |
| 06:55.23 | g4lt | !botsmack |
| 06:55.23 | dpkg | OWW! |
| 06:55.27 | jm_ | yes but it keeps stuff in /usr too |
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| 06:55.39 | jm_ | and it's in /usr/bin |
| 06:55.51 | g4lt | jm_ TRUST ME, you can use dpkg when you've lost /usr |
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| 06:56.19 | jm_ | g4lt: definitely, but people who can manage that wouldn't need refresh command |
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| 06:56.29 | shwag | how do I get a pctel modem working ? |
| 06:56.45 | Shorty` | winmodem? |
| 06:56.49 | g4lt | jm_ not NEED. find useful |
| 06:56.52 | Shorty` | www.linmodems.org |
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| 06:57.46 | jc | Here's my situ: I've got an off-site machine that's been hacked. The correct answer is to re-install. Unfortunately, I've got limited physical access to the machine, 100 users, and I'm suspect of some files. Refreshing is an interim solution until I can backup the current databases, get to the site, reinstall, reconfigure, and get tripwire *properly* installed. |
| 06:57.48 | g4lt | jm_ and no, I didn't resort to using ar to rebuild indianpolis. all I did was dpkg -i the affected packages, starting with perl and apt |
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| 06:59.17 | g4lt | jc any of hte reinstallation solutions should work. kiddiez prolly won't kill awk or xargs |
| 06:59.55 | jc | Kewl. That should hold me until Saturday, then. |
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| 07:00.05 | jc | Seen this 'sk-ultimate' anywhere? That's what got me. |
| 07:00.09 | lii | jc: You might want to install debsums (to verify binaries against package checksums) and tiger (to catch non-package files) as an interim thing .. |
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| 07:02.37 | Qapf | Hello. I am trying to configure an intranet site for a lan party coming up so while people will be unable to hit the real web, any request for a site they make will get bounced back to the intranet site. i googled around but didnt really find anything revelent to trying to create this, anyone here knowledgeable in what im describing would take? |
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| 07:03.06 | bob2 | redirect outgoing port 80 to a particular ip |
| 07:03.07 | jc | debsums: no md5sums for dpkg? |
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| 07:03.23 | bob2 | jc: lots of packages don't, sadly |
| 07:03.30 | bob2 | and you can't trust md5sums anyway |
| 07:03.35 | jc | You'd think dpkg in particular would have that. |
| 07:03.38 | The_Vulture | Qapf: what purpose would that serve? |
| 07:03.53 | Gil | can't you trust signed MD5 sums? |
| 07:04.01 | bob2 | yes, but they're not signed |
| 07:04.06 | Gil | doh |
| 07:04.12 | bob2 | and his machine is compromised, so he can't trust gpg to validate them anyway |
| 07:04.17 | Gil | aah |
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| 07:04.27 | Qapf | The_Vulture the site contains information as to the course of events at the lan, will display servers currently running at the lan, playercount, provide a forum for people to chat on, and the latest patches so they dont have to bug me for em :) |
| 07:04.45 | Qapf | it also contains our registration and administration backend to confirm prepaid users and to seat new users |
| 07:05.04 | The_Vulture | Qapf: why redirect anything? just have users login to an internal IP address over HTTP |
| 07:05.12 | The_Vulture | why redirect anything.. |
| 07:05.30 | Qapf | The_Vulture because users are stupid, they will not understand some part in typing an ip insted of a domain name in |
| 07:05.30 | bob2 | The_Vulture: the set of multiplayer gamers is closely correlated with the set of moronic leaching kiddies |
| 07:05.56 | Qapf | if i make a catch all for any request, i solve the problem |
| 07:05.56 | bob2 | Qapf: you can configure your DHCPD to feed them dns servers |
| 07:06.05 | bob2 | ie your dns servers |
| 07:06.19 | Qapf | indeed, but i have never done my own dns servers before, nor would i know how to configure them in this semibroken matter |
| 07:06.42 | blackish | almost a 1:1 mapping :) |
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| 07:07.01 | Zapelius | what opion should i pass to kernel, to disable monitor-blanking (powersaver) ? |
| 07:07.11 | nator | is the kernel sources / kernel package supplied with the base system of debian? |
| 07:07.17 | jm_ | Zapelius: console ? X ? man xset ; man setterm |
| 07:07.23 | jm_ | nator: no |
| 07:07.31 | akusarujin | is there a way to purge the configs of anything that i've previously uninstalled, like a way to detect which configs are left over and purge them automatically? |
| 07:07.43 | jm_ | akusarujin: yes |
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| 07:07.47 | Qapf | bob2 i tried to google around for this because im sure i am not the first to do this, but i can not find anything who has documented doing anything similar to this. at least as far as my googling skills go |
| 07:07.51 | akusarujin | jm_: wow, do share? |
| 07:07.55 | nator | jm i'm looking at the debian packages page and can't find and kernel sources/packages, what package section is it under? |
| 07:08.00 | blackish | Qapf, it is not that hard to config DNS & it would probably be the best way |
| 07:08.07 | jm_ | akusarujin: dpkg -l will list them in state rc, simply dpkg -P them |
| 07:08.17 | blackish | although ppl would be able to get around that soln |
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| 07:08.40 | Qapf | blackish suggusted reading? |
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| 07:08.44 | The_Vulture | Qapf: how do you expect them to configure their own systems to get on the network if they can't type in an IP address? even with DHCP they still have to think a _little_.. |
| 07:08.50 | akusarujin | jm_: awesome! thanks for the information |
| 07:08.51 | jm_ | nator: search for kernel-source |
| 07:09.01 | Jambon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:09.05 | The_Vulture | half the fun of a LAN is getting everyone's networking shit together.. |
| 07:09.09 | blackish | install the package & read the /etc/named/ files |
| 07:09.10 | Qapf | The_Vulture actualy with dhcp they dont think beyond the physical plugs |
| 07:09.14 | lii | Qapf: A single 'www' record might work; they'd just have to type that into their address bars. :) It works reasonably well on the intranet here .. |
| 07:09.14 | jm_ | akusarujin: you can also use apt-get --purge remove foo or aptitude purge foo |
| 07:09.16 | blackish | or is it /etc/named.conf |
| 07:09.32 | jc | "Reinstallation of automake is not possible, it cannot be downloaded." I get a page full of messages like this for the --reinstall option. |
| 07:09.34 | Qapf | and the site contains samba links to where to get most of the software they normally bug me on |
| 07:09.52 | |ryan| | I'm trying to make an SSL CA cert in debian stable with the command `openssl req -nodes -new -x509 -keyout my-ca.key -out my-ca.crt -days 3650` and i'm getting an 'unable to find 'distinguished_name' in config' error... Anyone know how to fix that? |
| 07:09.56 | bob2 | Qapf: redirecting all requests to one website isn't easy |
| 07:10.08 | bob2 | well, actually, you could make it a php script |
| 07:10.13 | bob2 | then it would Just Work |
| 07:10.18 | Zapelius | jm_, exactly what I needed, thanks :) |
| 07:10.32 | Qapf | bob2 never suggusted it was easy, thats why i asked here :) |
| 07:10.41 | nator | jm no love doesn't come up with anything :( |
| 07:10.57 | The_Vulture | bob2: how does a php script fit in? |
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