| 00:00.20 | g4lt | JoshTriplett you do realize you contradicted yourself? |
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| 00:00.43 | JoshTriplett | s/the same/mostly the same/ |
| 00:01.03 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: But yes, there is no _card_ named e100. |
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| 00:01.21 | Kiriath | RichiH: hehe sorry but that didnt make any sence to me, I got my system up and running and stuff, its just the network card that aint installed... Its a dell 1600sc btw, and on dells homepage with info on supportet software they only linked the Red Hat network driver.. |
| 00:01.31 | Rakeleer | the eepro100 driver will not work with 100A cards. |
| 00:01.38 | Rakeleer | the e100 driver will. :) |
| 00:01.51 | g4lt | Rakeleer NOTHING in linux will work with 100a's |
| 00:01.59 | JoshTriplett | Rakeleer: Thanks, I didn't know any specific instances. |
| 00:02.28 | g4lt | Rakeleer you're saying that the e100 driver works with EISA cards? |
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| 00:04.04 | krunk- | How would I determine what gid/uid apache is compiled with in debian? it's not root is it? |
| 00:04.07 | RichiH | Kiriath: ah, ok. either grab a 2.4 driver or see if the 2.6 series supports them (though i am not sure if that will work easily with stable) |
| 00:04.56 | Kiriath | RichiH: okay thats what im doing then, thanks. |
| 00:05.02 | kombi | krunk->: ps aux | grep httpd |
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| 00:05.18 | iLLf8d | anyone know how to drop all the FATAL messages from the kernel dmesg? the ones that say assuming its compiled into the kernel? |
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| 00:05.20 | JoshTriplett | krunk-: Should be "www-data". |
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| 00:05.59 | krunk- | JoshTriplett yes it is and now I see the relevant sections in the apache2.conf as well :) |
| 00:06.33 | eeyore- | does anybody know of a zip-based linux rescue system? |
| 00:06.44 | eeyore- | like knoppix, but much smaller, to fit on 250MB zip |
| 00:07.01 | g4lt | eeyore- zipslack |
| 00:07.02 | MalKolm | Does it matter if on an ifconfig, my eth devices are not shown as "RUNNING", I can access them from the internal network, but not externally, just trying to track down a problem. |
| 00:07.16 | JoshTriplett | eeyore-: I don't know about zip-specific ones, but there are variants of Morphix designed for USB keys, which would be about the same size. |
| 00:07.20 | helix | eeyore-: i think damnsmalllinux (or so) might do something like that |
| 00:07.30 | krunk- | hm, they assign shell to www-data, gonna change that |
| 00:07.36 | gnuno | hello free world |
| 00:07.46 | goodell | hello gnuno |
| 00:07.49 | kombi | gnuno: huh? |
| 00:08.09 | g4lt | you see kombi is part of the kombinant states |
| 00:08.18 | kombi | true.. |
| 00:08.28 | Rakeleer | g4lt: Just what I read in the Ethernet HowTo. I do know that certain models of VM cards have issues with eepro100 and none with e100. |
| 00:08.30 | gnuno | cam someone help understaqnd this error: |
| 00:08.31 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: isn't that from snow crash? |
| 00:08.33 | gnuno | can |
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| 00:08.40 | kombi | kombinat we call them.. |
| 00:08.45 | gnuno | "Client host rejected: Dynamic range, direct delivery not allowed" |
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| 00:08.47 | g4lt | dondelelcaro I think so, where it was the FSU |
| 00:08.54 | gnuno | when i send a e-mail |
| 00:09.17 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: I thought it was FOQNE. |
| 00:09.22 | iLLf8d | nm found a man page for what I need |
| 00:09.24 | kombi | gnuno: where from an to? |
| 00:09.25 | helix | gnuno: where are you sending the email? maybe it's denying based on a dynamic IP address that you have |
| 00:09.30 | JoshTriplett | dan2: School is just now getting out for you? |
| 00:09.39 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: I am not a college student |
| 00:09.40 | g4lt | Rakeleer well, EEpro100A's are EISA, and e100 has no provision for anything but a PCI bus |
| 00:09.49 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Ah, OK. |
| 00:10.00 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: mm Stella |
| 00:10.01 | dan2 | :) |
| 00:10.02 | helix | dan2: what are you going to do this summer? |
| 00:10.18 | dan2 | helix: sit on my ass and bug you guys all day |
| 00:10.21 | kombi | hang out by the server room.. |
| 00:10.22 | dan2 | :) |
| 00:10.22 | helix | fuck |
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| 00:10.45 | Rakeleer | g4lt: I have no basis on which to dispute that particular fact. But I _can_ say, from direct experience, that the e100 and the eepro100 do not always work in the same fashon (can be read as: sometimes do not work at all) with every PCI 100 base card from Intel. |
| 00:10.50 | dan2 | helix: you should try objc |
| 00:10.53 | g4lt | Rakeleer if you want proof, the forst time I was an eepro100a was in a Hewlett-packard 4d/66 |
| 00:11.00 | helix | dan2: i'm not really interested in gnustep et al |
| 00:11.19 | helix | dan2: if i was going to try any programming language with "C" in it, it would be just C itself |
| 00:11.19 | g4lt | (the 66 was clockspeed) |
| 00:11.25 | dondelelcaro | helix: what, you don't want applications called "Terminal" "Mail" "Internet" "Game" ? |
| 00:11.37 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: You were an eepro100a? Was this in a past life? :) |
| 00:11.41 | helix | dondelelcaro: oh my god, EVIL GENERIC NAMES!!!! |
| 00:11.52 | helix | dan2: i'd prefer a caipirinha.. |
| 00:11.52 | dan2 | dondelelcaro: I am in the process of fixing that |
| 00:12.04 | g4lt | JoshTriplett perils of wireless keyboards. sometimes signals get crossed |
| 00:12.12 | helix | speaking of which, i should look up a recipe.. |
| 00:12.15 | gnuno | from my home to a webmail service |
| 00:12.23 | kombi | wicked! |
| 00:12.34 | helix | ah. cachaca. hmm |
| 00:12.39 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: Really? Didn't know they were that unreliable. |
| 00:12.48 | g4lt | and no, I wouldn't want to be inside a 4d/66 that was a steamong POS |
| 00:13.13 | g4lt | JoshTriplett just KeyTronics, but the name pretty much says everything, no? |
| 00:13.15 | helix | does anyone know if you can buy cachaca in the US? is it common? |
| 00:13.30 | kombi | can buy it everywhere |
| 00:13.35 | dondelelcaro | helix: is that like horchata? |
| 00:13.40 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: Yeah, that name does just scream "generic". :) |
| 00:13.46 | helix | dondelelcaro: i don't know what horchata is |
| 00:13.49 | kombi | stuff you make caipirinia with |
| 00:13.50 | dondelelcaro | hrm. definetly not. |
| 00:13.53 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: Right up there with KeySpan. |
| 00:13.55 | gnuno | helix: is there any way to discover why the recipient is not accepting? |
| 00:14.13 | helix | gnuno: well, as i said, i think you have a dynamic IP address, and they might refuse mail based on that alone |
| 00:14.16 | g4lt | JoshTriplett IIRC packardhell used them. |
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| 00:14.26 | helix | gnuno: but you haven't confirmed this - do you have a dynamic IP? |
| 00:14.43 | dondelelcaro | helix: http://www.gourmetsleuth.com/horchata.htm |
| 00:15.04 | gnuno | helix: "yes" |
| 00:15.09 | dondelelcaro | helix: but it's quite obviously not sugar cane liquor. ;-) |
| 00:15.16 | helix | dondelelcaro: hmm, maybe a little - there are limes and sugar involved.. :) |
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| 00:15.42 | Olek | does debian have any packages that can monitor cpu and mobo heat like some bios's can? |
| 00:15.44 | helix | gnuno: ah, ok. well, that's my guess. short of getting a static IP, i'm not sure what you can do. but wherever you're trying to send it sucks |
| 00:15.54 | dondelelcaro | Olek: yes. |
| 00:16.00 | JoshTriplett | Olek: lm-sensors. |
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| 00:16.10 | dondelelcaro | Olek: anything that depends on lm-sensors or suggests lm-sensors can. |
| 00:16.11 | JoshTriplett | Olek: And some application built on top of that. |
| 00:16.13 | gnuno | helix: yeah |
| 00:16.17 | helix | dondelelcaro: you should definitely try caipirinha, if you're into that kind of thing.. |
| 00:16.20 | Olek | thnx guys |
| 00:16.27 | Rakeleer | Olek: gkrellm can be fun with that |
| 00:16.31 | dondelelcaro | helix: I'm in to everything. |
| 00:16.36 | Olek | am concerned about the rising temp inside my case, think its worth monitoring |
| 00:16.41 | helix | dondelelcaro: heh, that's true |
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| 00:17.03 | helix | caipirinha is not only delicious, it's also a very pretty drink |
| 00:17.20 | helix | dondelelcaro: well, i'm not even a drinker (technically) but this is good stuff |
| 00:17.59 | gnuno | helix: thank you anyway! but my static ip only in 5months whem my contract with BT finishs |
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| 00:18.15 | Nurbs | sussudio: /etc/cron.d/sysklogd - not logrotate |
| 00:18.24 | helix | gnuno: ah. well, if you have any other mail services (like webmail) you can always use that in the meantime.. |
| 00:18.37 | helix | gnuno: and maybe find a way to yell at the people who are refusing valid email from you |
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| 00:18.48 | helix | gnuno: ...unless you're a spammer, in which case you should be shot |
| 00:18.49 | helix | ;) |
| 00:18.49 | abydos | gah, it's clear what OS ebay runs, it's always down |
| 00:18.55 | dondelelcaro | gnuno: alternatively, you can always use your ISP's SMTP server. |
| 00:19.06 | dondelelcaro | abydos: it's solaris, actually... and there are multiple machines. |
| 00:19.10 | syzme | KDE 3.2 is hanging on my sarge box. I think this has to do with my hostname not resolving, however, /etc/hosts is configured correctly. Any ideas? |
| 00:19.14 | abydos | hmm. |
| 00:19.20 | abydos | Seems more like Windows to me. |
| 00:19.26 | helix | dondelelcaro: you mean ebay doesn't run on one WinME box? shock/horror |
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| 00:19.27 | gnuno | helix: don`t worry |
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| 00:19.53 | gnuno | helix: i hate spam as anyone who has a brain!!!! |
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| 00:20.09 | dim1 | dude, spam is totally cool. |
| 00:20.36 | dim1 | it's not like you'd find out where to get the best deals on viagra or phaloplasty by watching infomercials. |
| 00:20.46 | helix | haha, phaloplasty |
| 00:20.51 | helix | is that the real word for it? |
| 00:20.59 | abydos | heh. |
| 00:21.02 | cafuego | dim1: Shall I add your email as default forward address in my postfix setup, then? |
| 00:21.18 | abydos | And millions of people wouldn't be fat if it wasn't for spam |
| 00:21.18 | helix | cafuego: better him than me *pout* |
| 00:21.24 | abydos | oh, wait. |
| 00:21.26 | cafuego | dim1: You'll get around 1,000 of the best deals every day. |
| 00:21.32 | abydos | You meant the non-tinned kind. |
| 00:21.34 | abydos | whoops |
| 00:21.35 | cafuego | helix: You only get the russian ones ;-) |
| 00:21.49 | helix | cafuego: and they display so well now that i'm UTF-8 enabled! |
| 00:21.50 | gnuno | dondelelcaro: i know is because i am playing to have all MY servers at home! I was without nothing todo! |
| 00:22.07 | dim1 | cafuego: pass. :p |
| 00:22.08 | cafuego | helix: See, they're USEFUL! |
| 00:22.15 | helix | yeah, i'm learning russian |
| 00:22.18 | helix | da svidanya! |
| 00:22.41 | mickeyks | ya ne znaiyoo |
| 00:22.47 | helix | actually, in my russian book, they have very useful phrases like, "put on a condom" |
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| 00:23.06 | dim1 | heh |
| 00:23.17 | dim1 | what's russian for "how much for 15 minutes?" |
| 00:23.22 | cafuego | Oh really? I'll look forward to "helix does moscow vol. 1" then ;-) |
| 00:23.57 | cafuego | dim1: The same as the russion for "you don't have enough money" |
| 00:24.21 | cafuego | !slap helix |
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| 00:24.52 | helix | NO |
| 00:24.54 | helix | I NEED CD'S |
| 00:25.04 | helix | i didn't mean it, i love you! |
| 00:25.11 | cafuego | Yes, they'll tell me on monday morning whether or not I have to leave on.... monday morning! |
| 00:25.18 | helix | ah, how nice |
| 00:25.33 | cafuego | p'ah |
| 00:25.53 | helix | cafuego: if you get me cd's, i promise to pay you back at LCA next year |
| 00:26.12 | cafuego | LCA? Whazzat? |
| 00:26.19 | helix | cafuego: linux.conf.au |
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| 00:26.35 | dondelelcaro | helix: apparently it's actually phalloplasty |
| 00:26.35 | cafuego | Where are they holding that? Melbourne, for a change? |
| 00:26.38 | dondelelcaro | !dict phalloplasty |
| 00:26.40 | dpkg | Dictionary 'phalloplasty' reconstructive surgery on the penis to repair congenital abnormality or injury |
| 00:26.42 | helix | ah, two l's |
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| 00:26.46 | helix | cafuego: nah, canberra |
| 00:26.55 | cafuego | helix: OUCH |
| 00:27.07 | helix | cafuego: err, i'm in florida. don't complain about distance, mmkay |
| 00:27.14 | cafuego | helix: it's not that... |
| 00:27.25 | helix | cafuego: what is it then? and how's the weather in april? |
| 00:27.26 | cafuego | I wouldn't say Canberra is *boring*, but zzzZZZZzzzzz |
| 00:27.30 | helix | heh |
| 00:27.41 | helix | cafuego: that's why bob2 is always online. |
| 00:27.48 | cafuego | helix: april in canberra should be sunny, but not particularly warm. |
| 00:28.03 | helix | cafuego: ah, good. |
| 00:28.13 | cafuego | ... it being in the mountains and in-land, of sorts |
| 00:28.15 | helix | cafuego: pia told me they didn't want to hold it in the summer anymore |
| 00:28.25 | cafuego | it's only 6 hours from melbourne, though. |
| 00:28.26 | helix | because .. stuff melts, i guess |
| 00:28.30 | cafuego | less if you fly |
| 00:28.35 | helix | cafuego: see? you can go. and i'll pay you back. :) |
| 00:28.40 | cafuego | helix: Pfft, 40C is a piece of cake |
| 00:28.45 | helix | ha |
| 00:29.02 | helix | hm, that made me want cake. how sad. |
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| 00:29.22 | cafuego | carrot cake? |
| 00:29.37 | helix | cafuego: anyway, it's not like i know if i'm actually going, but i'll see how this women in debian stuff goes and maybe submit a paper.. the they can pay for me |
| 00:29.46 | helix | s/the/then/ |
| 00:29.48 | helix | any cake |
| 00:30.09 | cafuego | hurray, life! |
| 00:30.18 | helix | dondelelcaro: how long has it been since you remembered this? |
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| 00:30.29 | helix | shall i file bugs intermittently to remind you? |
| 00:30.41 | cafuego | helix: oh, that reminds me, have you put your debconf presentation online yet? |
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| 00:31.07 | helix | cafuego: ah, yeah but i have to fix something. i mixed up the SC and DFSG :B |
| 00:31.09 | dondelelcaro | helix: I had kind of forgotten about it... remembered it because I need to get a sponsor to upload the new version... |
| 00:31.12 | cafuego | helix: reportbug Image::Imlib2; "dondelelcaro has crahsed, please hit <reset>" |
| 00:31.17 | helix | haha |
| 00:31.50 | inflex | I am attempting to run 'vcr' in debian with the 'unstable' release. I used apt-get to get vcr, it installed fine and also pulled down libavifile. However, when I try to run vcr, it complains about having no codecs available. Has anyone else found this with VCR and debian? |
| 00:31.52 | mentor | http://www.daryllang.com/scroll/scroloff.htm |
| 00:31.55 | syzme | KDE 3.2 is hanging on my sarge box. I think this has to do with my hostname not resolving, however, /etc/hosts is configured correctly. Any ideas? |
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| 00:32.15 | mentor | inflex: Have you checked the bts? |
| 00:32.26 | inflex | mentor: bts? I know not of this. |
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| 00:32.32 | mickeyks | how do i know if i'm an "internet site" or an "internet site with smarthost"? |
| 00:32.34 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 00:32.35 | inflex | mentor: I'll now go look... and hopefully find ;-) |
| 00:32.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 00:32.43 | Caspan{A} | what is a good 64Bit tape back up program? |
| 00:32.44 | inflex | oh, right thanks. |
| 00:32.45 | mentor | inflex: check /usr/share/doc/vcr? Maybe you need to tell it what codecs to use? |
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| 00:32.55 | cafuego | Caspan{A}: 'tar' ? |
| 00:32.57 | inflex | mentor: thanks, help apprecited. Cya. |
| 00:33.03 | mentor | mickeyks: a smarthost is a mail relay. |
| 00:33.04 | nekrataal | hi there, does anyone knows how to use wine? |
| 00:33.08 | helix | hmm |
| 00:33.13 | Caspan{A} | i 64 bit becuase i have a DDS3 tape drive and i want to back up more then 4 GB |
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| 00:33.21 | simonrvn | nekrataal: pour it into a glass, and drink |
| 00:33.24 | helix | i should stop trying to <esc> :w in ooimpress maybe |
| 00:33.24 | Caspan{A} | im looking for an application |
| 00:33.29 | Caspan{A} | just like taper |
| 00:33.34 | cafuego | Caspan{A}: a 32bit app won't have any trouble with that. |
| 00:33.37 | mentor | mickeyks: ie. a mail server, rather than have the local host send all mail directly. |
| 00:33.39 | nekrataal | simonrvn: funny... |
| 00:33.41 | cafuego | well... |
| 00:33.49 | helix | cafuego: which format would you prefer to see my slides in? |
| 00:33.50 | cafuego | Caspan{A}: it might, but then it's broken app. |
| 00:33.52 | mickeyks | mentor: i'm going to download the mail from a remote mail server |
| 00:33.52 | mentor | mickeyks: As was originally expected in the SMTP design... |
| 00:34.06 | cafuego | helix: Hmm... OO.o, ppt, html, pdf... |
| 00:34.11 | Caspan{A} | so are there any tape back up programs out there? |
| 00:34.12 | mentor | mickeyks: It's for sending mail really. |
| 00:34.38 | Caspan{A} | that can write to the DDS3 tape drive? |
| 00:34.45 | cafuego | nekrataal: Put in glass, drink. |
| 00:34.49 | helix | hey, the pdf is pretty nice |
| 00:35.00 | cafuego | Caspan{A}: Like I said, 'tar'. |
| 00:35.16 | mickeyks | mentor: er, i mean, i'm sending it through a remote server. that is, the company that gives me the email address has an smtp server etc |
| 00:35.16 | mentor | Caspan{A}: Usually tape drives are driven by a driver that exports a character based interface to userspace. |
| 00:35.26 | mentor | mickeyks: Then you have a smart host :) |
| 00:35.26 | cafuego | Caspan{A}: The question is, does your kernel support and see the drive. |
| 00:35.29 | helix | cafuego: cytosine.org/~helix/women_in_debian.pdf should work |
| 00:35.32 | Caspan{A} | i want a utility not tar so i can select certain files and run it once a week with tar ill have to create a script to run |
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| 00:35.36 | JoshTriplett | nekrataal: apt-get install wine winesetuptk && winesetuptk && wine windows_app.exe |
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| 00:35.52 | Caspan{A} | im not asking if the kernel can see the drive im asking for a application |
| 00:35.56 | lycoste | how do i make it so my ssh session doesn't time out? |
| 00:35.58 | mickeyks | mentor cool thanks |
| 00:36.00 | JoshTriplett | nekrataal: Hmm, the name of the application in winesetuptk might be "winesetup". |
| 00:36.25 | cafuego | helix: "should" being the apt word, there. |
| 00:36.37 | mentor | ~tell Caspan{A} about search |
| 00:36.41 | helix | cafuego: does it work? |
| 00:36.42 | JoshTriplett | lycoste: man ssh and man ssh_options ; look for "timeout". |
| 00:36.59 | cafuego | helix: Well, it opens... but all I see is squares and the letter 'k' |
| 00:37.07 | helix | eek |
| 00:37.09 | helix | ok, hold on |
| 00:37.36 | mickeyks | mentor: how do i know if i want to append .domain to simple addresses? |
| 00:37.37 | helix | cafuego: would a funny font cause that? |
| 00:37.37 | cafuego | just send me the impress doco, that'll be fine |
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| 00:38.01 | mentor | mickeyks: You should probably read some documentation about setting up exim... |
| 00:38.02 | cafuego | helix: it might... in theory pdf *should* embed that font, though. |
| 00:38.03 | lycoste | JoshTriplett: man ssh comes up with nothing when searching for timeout. man ssh_options doesn't bring up anything. hmm, maybe i need to install ssh_options |
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| 00:38.10 | mentor | mickeyks: Do you know what a simple address is? |
| 00:38.11 | helix | cafuego: yeah, that's what i thought |
| 00:38.29 | mentor | helix: How did you create the pdf? |
| 00:38.49 | JoshTriplett | helix: The pdf looks perfect here in xpdf. |
| 00:38.54 | helix | mentor: export to pdf on the ooimpress menu |
| 00:38.58 | cafuego | mentor: Impress -> PDF, I'd say from the meta info. |
| 00:39.00 | helix | ah, so cafuego is just BROKEN then |
| 00:39.15 | mentor | ~fix cafuego |
| 00:39.18 | apt | ACTION takes cafuego to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 00:39.18 | cafuego | helix: No. |
| 00:39.18 | mentor | ;) |
| 00:39.22 | helix | hmm |
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| 00:39.27 | cafuego | helix: Actually, gpdf is broken. xpdf here works OK too. |
| 00:39.40 | helix | cafuego: ok. so you don't need another version :) |
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| 00:39.42 | mentor | gpdf is very very broken. |
| 00:39.44 | mentor | die die die. |
| 00:39.47 | mentor | ~stab gpdf |
| 00:39.49 | apt | ACTION runs at gpdf with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 00:39.57 | helix | yeah |
| 00:39.57 | helix | and |
| 00:40.01 | helix | !helixsmite gpdf |
| 00:40.03 | mentor | If only ggv was able to handle PDFs. |
| 00:40.03 | cafuego | ere we go, kpdf is happy as well |
| 00:40.06 | mickeyks | mentor: user@host? |
| 00:40.28 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Does kpdf have horribly ugly fonts for you, too? |
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| 00:40.35 | JoshTriplett | lycoste: You should definitely find some stuff when searching for "timeout" or "Timeout". |
| 00:40.39 | mentor | mickeyks: I think usually just "user" but anything that isn't fully qualified. |
| 00:40.50 | mentor | mickeyks: So, if it detects one, it adds a default domain. |
| 00:41.02 | mentor | mickeyks: I would recommend always using FQ addresses though. |
| 00:41.18 | ameoba | Trying to set up ALSA using stock kernel image (2.4.25). I got the packages but can't get ALSA to init, I think it's 'cuz the kernel is already initializing my sound with OSS. How do I stop this? |
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| 00:41.38 | cafuego | helix: believe it or not, but yesterday i was in a session on how to get more women to start their own companies :-) |
| 00:41.39 | JoshTriplett | lycoste: Hang on, under stable s/ssh_options/ssh_config/. |
| 00:41.42 | mickeyks | mentor: oh...so it's like, if you're mentor@debian.org, and i send an email to "mentor," it may just add "debian.org" to the end? |
| 00:41.50 | helix | cafuego: oh really? how did that go? |
| 00:41.51 | tw|lit | any unofficial debs for firefox 0.9 ? |
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| 00:42.18 | mentor | Does anyone know of a GUI scrollbar that has some sort of 'lock' setting such that it follows lines as they are added; I'm looking for a GUI animation/feedback rather than the actual feature? |
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| 00:42.30 | JoshTriplett | tw|lit: Not that I know of. |
| 00:42.41 | cafuego | helix: went well actually... it was just for research purposes, session with a few women who are at various stages of running their own business. Still, they all agreed it was about having a support network to give them confidence |
| 00:42.43 | JoshTriplett | tw|lit: See the recent message to debian-devel. |
| 00:42.54 | mentor | mickeyks: Well, more like From: Bob; To: Alice; -> Bob@cryto.org; Alice@crypto.org |
| 00:43.02 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Does kpdf have horribly ugly fonts for you, too? |
| 00:43.05 | helix | cafuego: yeah, i'd say it's not too different for women in the computer field |
| 00:43.10 | tw|lit | JoshTriplett: thanks, the one that points to it being in /experimental ? |
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| 00:43.21 | mickeyks | mentor: ok, so if i choose "no" and then always use whole email addresses, i should be fine |
| 00:43.33 | cafuego | helix: I dunno how applicable it would be to women-in-debian, but I can probably get you a copy of the thesis when it's done and my father in law is a doctor. |
| 00:43.37 | mentor | mickeyks: Yes, and that would be what I reocmmend. |
| 00:43.37 | helix | cafuego: when i first read the HOWTO encourage women in linux, i thought the stuff about women having low self-esteem was bullshit, but seeing how so many of us need to be bolstered up.. well |
| 00:44.02 | helix | cafuego: i'm sure it would be very applicable; there are techniques for every area that give insight into "recruiting" women |
| 00:44.19 | JoshTriplett | tw|lit: No, it isn't in experimental. The message just discussed the maintainer's plans. |
| 00:44.20 | cafuego | helix: Yeah, apparently 90% is content to sit around and wait for Mr Perfect, who will take care of them for the rest of their lives. |
| 00:44.23 | helix | cafuego: especially in the business and politics arenas |
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| 00:44.32 | mickeyks | mentor: and then the smtp relay host is the smtp address of the company serving the email, right? |
| 00:44.37 | helix | cafuego: well.. |
| 00:44.42 | tw|lit | JoshTriplett: okay. got it |
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| 00:44.57 | cafuego | helix: Okay then. I'm not sure when it'll be done, but I'll get a copy to you. |
| 00:45.07 | helix | cafuego: i think that's getting a lot less true (in the US, at least) but yeah, there is still too much of a focus on doing things to get a man |
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| 00:45.12 | mentor | mickeyks: 'smtp address'? Address of their SMTP server? |
| 00:45.13 | helix | cafuego: cool, i appreciate it |
| 00:45.36 | mickeyks | mentor: yeah |
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| 00:46.03 | cafuego | helix: actually, one of the women in the workshop owns one of them magazines... and she used to run: http://www.agric.nsw.gov.au/rwn/cweb/autumn-1999/australis-self-made-girl.htm |
| 00:46.08 | mickeyks | helix: even Ms.? |
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| 00:46.17 | helix | mickeyks: feminist magazines are good ;) |
| 00:46.17 | mentor | helix: Or, preferably, the marketing execs behind them... |
| 00:46.35 | icesmurf | has anyone noticed any issues with debian sid and gnome apps crashing? |
| 00:46.49 | icesmurf | i realise it's unstable, but just wondered if anyone else had noticed it. |
| 00:46.52 | helix | cafuego: i'm referring to the fashion and "how to *really* please a man!" magazines |
| 00:47.05 | mentor | icesmurf: define 'crash' |
| 00:47.08 | helix | magazines for women and men are fine |
| 00:47.17 | JoshTriplett | dpkg, tell icesmurf about gnome settings daemon |
| 00:47.30 | dondelelcaro | icesmurf: additionally, check the BTS. |
| 00:47.35 | mentor | "The way to a man's heart is through his ribcage!" |
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| 00:47.38 | cafuego | helix: Hmmyes... they're allw ritten by men, though ;-) |
| 00:47.41 | JoshTriplett | icesmurf: Or is it some other issue? |
| 00:47.46 | mentor | helix: Marry him and do the house work? |
| 00:47.46 | helix | mentor: heh |
| 00:47.46 | The_Vulture | mentor: with a bone saw :) |
| 00:47.50 | helix | cafuego: yeah, bleh |
| 00:47.57 | helix | mentor: yeah, and stick your finger in his ass |
| 00:48.23 | icesmurf | just looking now. |
| 00:48.45 | mickeyks | helix: i never thought those "how to please a man" articles were even accurate |
| 00:49.15 | helix | mickeyks: i'm sure they're not. men are actually all quite different, unlike those articles lead people to believe |
| 00:49.21 | The_Vulture | mentor: you were going to bed |
| 00:49.22 | dondelelcaro | mentor: you were going to bed. That's what you were doing. |
| 00:49.22 | mickeyks | they're just written to be read, they don't actually have value, even if the man in question is a pig |
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| 00:49.30 | mentor | damn you. |
| 00:50.09 | helix | heh |
| 00:50.14 | helix | a debian retreat! |
| 00:50.35 | mentor | too late hades.debian.org has been removed... |
| 00:50.37 | JoshTriplett | helix: Better - a windows retreat! |
| 00:50.42 | helix | heh |
| 00:50.43 | zimnyx | `apache-modconf apache' stopped working a hour ago.. now it only creates some httpd.conf.dpkg-inst.queue file and exits withous doing anything. any tips ? |
| 00:51.06 | helix | there was some discussion about having SPI pay for a debian compound somewhere in the alps |
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| 00:51.09 | helix | at debconf |
| 00:51.12 | helix | that would rule |
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| 00:51.34 | dondelelcaro | helix: nah. We need it in a dormant volcano. |
| 00:51.34 | JoshTriplett | helix: Complete with black helicopters labelled "The Cabal"? |
| 00:51.46 | helix | JoshTriplett: tinc.debian.net |
| 00:51.47 | mentor | We could invite ESR. |
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| 00:52.08 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: May I recommend Tower Hill down here near Warrnambool? |
| 00:52.08 | dondelelcaro | mentor: or just use ESR and his gun nuts as cover |
| 00:52.09 | mickeyks | might smtp.proxy.fastmail.fm be an "smtp relay host"? |
| 00:52.13 | helix | mentor: yeah, he can guard the fortress |
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| 00:52.30 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: Pretty colcanic cone in a lake, which is a huge hole where the original volcano blew up. |
| 00:52.53 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: ah, nice. How long ago did the original blow? It's not going to helens on us, is it? ;-) |
| 00:52.56 | mentor | Is helix the tinc member with demonic eyes looking to her right? |
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| 00:53.04 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: And there's emus, roos and koalas for defence. |
| 00:53.16 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: nah, 20-odd thousand years ago. |
| 00:53.16 | mentor | mickeyks: yes? |
| 00:53.24 | dasunt | I have a laptop with both a wired and a wireless connector -- how do I make it switch between them automatically when the wired link goes down/up? |
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| 00:53.55 | JoshTriplett | dasunt: Investigate ifupdown-roam, waproamd, ifplugd, etc. |
| 00:54.00 | mentor | dasunt: guessnet? etherconf? |
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| 00:54.30 | mickeyks | mentor: should i consider my machine a final destination for any domains? no, right? er, i think no... |
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| 00:54.57 | mentor | mickeyks: You should probably read some documentation about setting up exim... |
| 00:55.13 | JoshTriplett | I finally thought I could ifupdown-roam working, and then it was changed to require waproamd for setting up WEP keyus, and waproamd was just recently changed to do all the work itself instead of just setting WEP keys, ... |
| 00:55.17 | mentor | mickeyks: What kind of mail feed or you getting? POP boxes? IMAP? bSMTP? |
| 00:55.21 | JoshTriplett | s/keyus/keys/ |
| 00:55.25 | mickeyks | mentor: IMAP |
| 00:55.41 | mentor | mickeyks: Are you going to use fetchmail? |
| 00:55.50 | mickeyks | mentor: yes |
| 00:55.51 | icesmurf | hmm, downgraded xlibs, still crashing :( |
| 00:56.03 | icesmurf | any gnome app (even the panel) i start exits :\ |
| 00:56.19 | mentor | mickeyks: And that will deliver to local mailboxes? You probably want this to be the final destination then. |
| 00:56.32 | mentor | icesmurf: Jsut exits? |
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| 00:56.41 | mickeyks | mentor: yeah but i don't own the domain, that's what confuses me |
| 00:56.43 | mentor | helix: Are you the demonic eyed one? |
| 00:56.45 | helix | bleh, why don't book stores stay open 24 hours |
| 00:56.47 | helix | mentor: yeah |
| 00:56.51 | icesmurf | yeah, the "this application has exited unexpectedly" dialog comes up |
| 00:56.53 | helix | MEDUSA |
| 00:57.03 | peterS | she's in between those two cute chicks |
| 00:57.09 | helix | haha |
| 00:57.18 | mickeyks | mentor: i am lacking in some general understanding of the difference between my domain and the domain that involves the last part of my email address |
| 00:57.23 | mentor | icesmurf: Ah, I was going to suggest it was gnome-session playing up, but it isn't. |
| 00:57.24 | helix | !catattack peterS |
| 00:57.24 | dpkg | An awful screech is heard as three ordinary-looking cats suddenly pounce on peterS's face, leaving two bloody eye sockets and a lot of claw marks |
| 00:57.38 | mentor | mickeyks: Yup, but sadly...I'm going to bed. |
| 00:57.42 | icesmurf | aye, gnome session does however start up ok. |
| 00:57.45 | peterS | helix: I'm workin' |
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| 00:57.54 | peterS | helix: being rather productive, actually, compared to my usual self |
| 00:58.05 | mickeyks | mentor that's cool, thanks for your help |
| 00:58.08 | helix | cool |
| 00:58.13 | mentor | peterS: The two on the left, the two in the centre or the two on the right? |
| 00:58.45 | peterS | mentor: not sure what you're asking |
| 00:58.54 | mentor | "<peterS> she's in between those two cute chicks" |
| 00:59.18 | peterS | mentor: that was just me tugging helix's chain. but I meant amaya (to her left) and whoever is to her right |
| 00:59.57 | cafuego | isn't amaya a web browser? |
| 01:00.08 | peterS | cafuego: yeah, but they named a debian developer after it too |
| 01:00.09 | siks_ | it is |
| 01:00.09 | mentor | peterS: That was me just paying a groan worthy compliment... |
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| 01:00.23 | mentor | cafuego: Yes, but she does other things too. |
| 01:00.31 | cafuego | you wonder how her parents ever got around to having her, if they're SUCH nerds ;-) |
| 01:00.41 | peterS | helix: I hate the song I'm working on right now, so I'm actually trying to be as productive as possible so as to get this one over with |
| 01:00.47 | LSorensen | cafuego: Even nerds can find time for some things. |
| 01:01.02 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Song? |
| 01:01.14 | peterS | JoshTriplett: I'm transcribing stupid music into lilypond - long story |
| 01:01.29 | peterS | JoshTriplett: .ogg -> .ly is *not* as easy as it sounds |
| 01:01.29 | JoshTriplett | peterS: What music? |
| 01:01.41 | JoshTriplett | peterS: That in no way sounds easy. |
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| 01:01.42 | peterS | JoshTriplett: some songs I'm gonna have to play in two days, and I want sheet music for so I don't forget them |
| 01:01.59 | peterS | JoshTriplett: the problem is, I have 12 hours now, since I have to leave my computer tomorrow morning |
| 01:02.06 | chris | what group must I be in, as a non-root user, in order to access my DVD drive? |
| 01:02.14 | JoshTriplett | chris: cdrom |
| 01:02.18 | chris | thanks |
| 01:02.20 | peterS | JoshTriplett: believe it or not, I think I'm still more productive changing oggs into sheet music than I would be just trying to memorize this stuff straight |
| 01:02.27 | peterS | JoshTriplett: if that's not sick ... I don't know |
| 01:02.28 | LSorensen | chris: if the device is set correctly, cdrom, but ide devices default to group disk so you have to chgrp the device |
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| 01:02.56 | peterS | JoshTriplett: anyway ... I didn't pick out this music, it's for someone's wedding reception. very little of it would I be playing of my own free will (: |
| 01:02.57 | JoshTriplett | peterS: .mid -> .ly might work, but wouldn't .ogg -> .ly imply you have to figure out the notes for each track? |
| 01:03.06 | peterS | JoshTriplett: yes, exactly |
| 01:03.10 | peterS | JoshTriplett: I don't need full instrumentation, really |
| 01:03.12 | chris | I don't mean to be rude or anything, but would it not be useful to ask durring the debian install which groups the new user should be added to? |
| 01:03.21 | peterS | JoshTriplett: just melody and bass line, is all I'm bothering with - I can improvise from there |
| 01:03.31 | Baldrick | Whenever I run ldconfig, I get "ldconfig: /usr/lib/ is not a symbolic link", any ideas what might cause this? |
| 01:03.32 | chris | erm, when I say "new user" I mean that first non-root user that is created during the install |
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| 01:03.33 | LSorensen | peterS: If that was somehow possible, it would easily solve speech recognision problems. |
| 01:03.34 | JoshTriplett | chris: Yes, it would be. Also, setting up sudo by default would be nice too. |
| 01:03.45 | peterS | JoshTriplett: it's taking me an average of maybe 40 minutes per 3-minute song |
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| 01:04.00 | chris | bah, I don't see why sudo would be useful for me |
| 01:04.02 | peterS | JoshTriplett: including googling the lyrics, so I have something to put the notes into context |
| 01:04.03 | LSorensen | peterS: You are pretty fast then |
| 01:04.09 | JoshTriplett | chris: Submit a bug report to debian-installer. |
| 01:04.17 | LSorensen | peterS: well I guess lyrics aren't too bad. try doing the music too |
| 01:04.18 | peterS | LSorensen: you don't know what a snow job I'm doing. see http://p12n.org/tmp/hand.pdf for one example |
| 01:04.21 | JoshTriplett | peterS: You can find the lyrics, but not sheet music? |
| 01:04.33 | peterS | LSorensen: like I said ... hardly a complete job, just enough to get me by for my own reference |
| 01:04.37 | chris | JoshTriplett: it's okay to submit non-bugs as bug reports? |
| 01:04.50 | peterS | JoshTriplett: lyrics are eeeeasy to google for. sheet music you generally have to *pay* for |
| 01:04.58 | LSorensen | chris: wishlist bugs for feature/behaviour change requests yes |
| 01:05.06 | chris | I see. cool. |
| 01:05.06 | peterS | JoshTriplett: even though lyrics on web sites are technically a copyright violation, nobody seems to mind all that much |
| 01:05.08 | JoshTriplett | chris: Yes, that's what severity "wishlist" is for. |
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| 01:05.30 | chris | JoshTriplett: cool. I'm new to this stuff. |
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| 01:05.32 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Assuming you have the rights to _play_ the music, you should be able to get the sheet music too. |
| 01:05.34 | LSorensen | chris: like: I wish this was version X+1 rather than version X. :) |
| 01:05.51 | JoshTriplett | peterS: (Not that it would be legal for the site to host, but it would be legal for you to download.) |
| 01:05.51 | chris | haha |
| 01:05.59 | shwag | anyone know of a program that does ftps ? port 990, ftp with ssl. |
| 01:06.03 | peterS | JoshTriplett: well, as for that ... I don't think I probably do have the right for public performance. but it's not my wedding, so it's not really my responsibility to buy the ASCAP thing, etc (: |
| 01:06.23 | chris | LSorensen: if I were a DD, I think I'd respond with something like "become a DD and do it yourself..." |
| 01:06.28 | peterS | JoshTriplett: this is purchased music, but AFAIK nobody bothered with a 'public performance' license. oh well. |
| 01:06.45 | LSorensen | shwag: like 'ftp-ssl' ? |
| 01:06.54 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Not that you should need one, to play music at a wedding. |
| 01:06.58 | LSorensen | chris: Well given how hard that is, that's a bad answer., |
| 01:07.05 | JoshTriplett | peterS: s/need/need to need/ |
| 01:07.07 | peterS | so anyway, that pdf is one example of what someone can churn out in 40 minutes with lilypond. I love that program |
| 01:07.09 | chris | I didn't know it's hard |
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| 01:07.28 | krunk- | apache2 is unable to access my error directories. I have loaded the module mod_include.c which is where the directory alias is set in apache2.conf and I have checked the permissions in the /usr/share/apache2/error/ directory |
| 01:07.37 | LSorensen | chris: it's a fairly length procedure |
| 01:07.38 | krunk- | any ideas? |
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| 01:07.40 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Incidentally, any suggestions for figuring out the bpm of an ogg? (Particularly if it changes?) |
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| 01:08.03 | peterS | JoshTriplett: by "b" did you mean "beats" or "bits"? |
| 01:08.05 | Slant | What is the "proper" way to do disc spanning or simply increase your storage space in Linux? |
| 01:08.07 | chris | LSorensen: it must be worth something if several thousand people have already done it |
| 01:08.09 | peterS | JoshTriplett: i.e. tempo, or bit rate? |
| 01:08.14 | Slant | Say I buy a new HD |
| 01:08.16 | LSorensen | Slant: plan ahead. |
| 01:08.27 | LSorensen | Slant: or transfer everything to the new larger disk |
| 01:08.28 | Slant | How do I integrate it so that I can use it? |
| 01:08.30 | JoshTriplett | peterS: The former. |
| 01:08.37 | Slant | LSorensen: Which then leaves the first disk empty? |
| 01:08.37 | LSorensen | Slant: or transfer one large dir to a new partition mounted in place of the dir |
| 01:08.41 | peterS | JoshTriplett: oh, I just guess |
| 01:08.44 | JoshTriplett | peterS: The latter is easy. |
| 01:08.46 | Slant | Ok. |
| 01:08.48 | peterS | JoshTriplett: heh |
| 01:08.59 | LSorensen | Slant: like /usr could be moved to a new drive (it's usually big) |
| 01:09.00 | Slant | I'm familiar with the symlink root dirs and etc technique. |
| 01:09.08 | Slant | I'm curious if there are any others? |
| 01:09.10 | LSorensen | Slant: well it shouldn't need symlinks. |
| 01:09.15 | shwag | LSorensen, yup |
| 01:09.41 | JoshTriplett | chris: s/several thousand/a little over a thousand/ |
| 01:09.44 | LSorensen | Slant: you can simply make a new file system, go to single user mode, move /usr's contents to the new mount, then remount it as /usr |
| 01:09.54 | Slant | LSorensen: Ok, I understand that. |
| 01:09.54 | chris | JoshTriplett: oh. |
| 01:09.58 | JoshTriplett | peterS: OK. I was hoping for something extremely accurate, possibly automatically-determined. |
| 01:10.00 | Slant | LSorensen: Any other routes? |
| 01:10.10 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Hint: pydance. |
| 01:10.12 | LSorensen | Slant: other options are lvm (but that pretty much requires starting over) |
| 01:10.20 | peterS | JoshTriplett: I just go by ear. I've got cplay in one xterm, emacs next to it, and I start, stop, pause, type |
| 01:10.26 | peterS | JoshTriplett: heh, true |
| 01:10.27 | Slant | lvm is it? |
| 01:10.32 | Slant | Rather. |
| 01:10.33 | LSorensen | Slant: lvm can span multiple devices and allows logical volumes to be created spanning all the devices |
| 01:10.37 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Ever tried it? |
| 01:10.38 | LSorensen | !lvm |
| 01:10.39 | dpkg | hmm... lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 01:10.43 | Slant | lvm, and multiple mount points are it? |
| 01:10.48 | peterS | JoshTriplett: nope |
| 01:10.52 | peterS | JoshTriplett: I don't have the hardware anyway |
| 01:10.56 | LSorensen | Slant: pretty much. |
| 01:11.08 | Slant | Ok. |
| 01:11.08 | LSorensen | Slant: I certainly don't recomend striping |
| 01:11.09 | Slant | Thanks. |
| 01:11.14 | Slant | Why is that? |
| 01:11.27 | LSorensen | Slant: the make it /usr idea is safest. that way each disk is a seperate independant filesystem |
| 01:11.31 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Lots of fun even with a keyboard. I have a pad and USB adaptor, and it's great exercise. |
| 01:11.44 | LSorensen | Slant: with striping, you loose one disk, you loose the contents of both |
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| 01:11.56 | Slant | Ahh, gotcha. |
| 01:11.58 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: stepmania is better |
| 01:12.00 | peterS | JoshTriplett: so I hear |
| 01:12.13 | Slant | LSorensen: That doesn't happen with LVM, though? |
| 01:12.16 | peterS | JoshTriplett: but if you'll excuse me, I have like 22 songs left to transcribe in 12 hours, and my current pace says I won't be able to do it |
| 01:12.20 | dross | hah |
| 01:12.24 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: And non-free, since all the graphics and sounds are directly ripped from DDR. |
| 01:12.33 | dross | theres something really wrong with but if you'll excuse me, I have like 22 songs |
| 01:12.36 | LSorensen | Slant: ehm, yeah it does. lvm is recomended on reliable disks only (usually storage volumes from a raid or SAN) |
| 01:12.40 | dross | oops |
| 01:12.44 | JoshTriplett | peterS: No problem. (Although /me wonders why you are on IRC, then.) |
| 01:12.46 | dross | http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/bench/echo/ |
| 01:12.48 | hacim | is it possible to use one serial cable to have each machine do serial console? I thought it would be impossible because TX/RX are switched and you'd need two cables |
| 01:12.55 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: You can get independantly made graphics and music and such too |
| 01:12.58 | peterS | JoshTriplett: terrible habit of mine (: later, then |
| 01:13.10 | Slant | LSorensen: So then why recommend LVM over stripping? |
| 01:13.23 | dross | Java should be performing better than C or C++ or any language for that matter in a simple TCP/IP server |
| 01:13.25 | LSorensen | Slant: I don't, but you asked for other options. lvm is flexible, striping is not. |
| 01:13.36 | JoshTriplett | LSorenson: Can you recommend a Free Software Stepmania theme? |
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| 01:13.39 | LSorensen | dross: why ever would that be? |
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| 01:13.46 | Slant | How is one flexible and the other not? |
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| 01:13.57 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: I thought they had some independant ones last time I checked the site. |
| 01:14.01 | dross | LSorensen: look at it.. java has #1 as fastest code in simple TCP server |
| 01:14.06 | Henk | Anyone know of any fast anonymous proxy servers? |
| 01:14.10 | LSorensen | dross: according to who? |
| 01:14.13 | JoshTriplett | LSorenson: I checked recently, and didn't see any. |
| 01:14.16 | dross | taking that java big bulky and slow the person definitely doesnt know what hes doing |
| 01:14.20 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: hmm, I could be wrong. |
| 01:14.42 | dross | LSorensen: according to this guy with debian |
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| 01:15.12 | LSorensen | dross: Is tcp/ip native in java? |
| 01:15.17 | willkafe | where do i get a debian kernel image patched with last cais alert (14/06)?? |
| 01:15.29 | geesus | hi, how do I add my own configure flags then compile something gotten from apt-get source ? |
| 01:15.29 | dross | LSorensen: java was made with C++ fyi |
| 01:15.29 | JoshTriplett | willkafe: You could build one. |
| 01:15.36 | dross | LSorensen: C code should run fast...omg |
| 01:15.39 | LSorensen | dross: and probably lots of c |
| 01:15.43 | dross | LSorensen: this guy is idiot |
| 01:15.59 | dross | the C code for tcp client is horrible |
| 01:16.15 | LSorensen | dross: besides some people thing comparing g++ and Sun's server JVM is a fair comparison. g++ is a terrible optimizer. |
| 01:16.19 | JoshTriplett | geesus: apt-get source blah ; cd blah-NN.N ; $EDITOR debian/rules ; dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -tc -rfakeroot -b |
| 01:16.34 | LSorensen | dross: sun has optimized the hell out of their JVM |
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| 01:16.49 | dross | LSorensen: well. gcc should still be faster |
| 01:16.52 | JoshTriplett | LSorenson: Nope, I only see the ripped theme, and various translated versions of that theme. |
| 01:16.53 | geesus | JoshTriplett: thanks :) |
| 01:17.00 | LSorensen | dross: gcc is a pretty lousy compiler too for optimization |
| 01:17.07 | JoshTriplett | s/LSorenson/LSorensen/ |
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| 01:17.27 | LSorensen | dross: more fair would be to use Intel's compiler on linux with decent c/c++ code and sun's JVM |
| 01:17.29 | chris | I suppose libdvdcss isn't available from Debian's official repos? |
| 01:17.33 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Getting better and better now, though. |
| 01:17.35 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: hmm, too bad. |
| 01:17.36 | JoshTriplett | chris: No. |
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| 01:17.42 | dross | LSorensen: intels compiler on freebsd sounds better :P |
| 01:17.47 | JoshTriplett | chris: Look on videolan.org |
| 01:17.55 | LSorensen | dross: Why would I want to inflict that on myself? |
| 01:17.58 | chris | JoshTriplett: thanks =] |
| 01:18.15 | dross | LSorensen: its fun and icc actually generates fbsd binaries :) |
| 01:18.28 | dross | fun compiler |
| 01:18.29 | chris | uhg... so it's illegal to watch DVDs now? |
| 01:18.31 | LSorensen | dross: Pretty sure it generates linux binaries too according to intel |
| 01:18.31 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: So do you DDR? |
| 01:18.38 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: sure. |
| 01:18.47 | chris | or does this have something to do with international export laws? |
| 01:18.55 | JoshTriplett | chris: Only in the USA. |
| 01:18.55 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: I have a PSone and an USB adapter for the PC |
| 01:19.07 | lii | chris: There are Debian packages of libdvdcss at http://hpisi.nerim.net .. |
| 01:19.33 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: I just have pydance, a USB adaptor (EMSUSB2), and a pad. |
| 01:19.38 | dross | LSorensen: yes but intel made the linux compiler capable of building fbsd binaries with the linux compiler |
| 01:19.39 | chris | lii: thanks... really I was just curious as to whether it was illegal or not |
| 01:19.42 | lii | chris: If you're in the USA, it's technically illegal to use dvdcss to decrypt and watch DVD's .. |
| 01:19.43 | dross | LSorensen: I love icc |
| 01:19.49 | JunK-Y | any1 in here already work with SQuaLe ? |
| 01:19.52 | LSorensen | dross: yeah cross compiling is no big deal |
| 01:20.02 | Baldrick | Do you know what causes ldconfig to say "ldconfig: /usr/lib/ is not a symbolic link"? |
| 01:20.02 | dross | JunK-Y: mind using english? |
| 01:20.02 | chris | why is it illegal to do it in linux but not windows? |
| 01:20.19 | LSorensen | chris: the windows players have paid license fees |
| 01:20.27 | chris | oh, I see |
| 01:20.29 | LSorensen | chris: and only allow you to watch the right region |
| 01:20.30 | lii | chris: Because Windows software DVD players receive official keys from the DVD Forum; they're not 'circumventing' the copy-protection mechanism. |
| 01:20.34 | chris | and I guess these fees are way expensive? |
| 01:20.43 | LSorensen | chris: they are not $0 |
| 01:20.44 | chris | oh, I see |
| 01:20.46 | JoshTriplett | chris: Because windows DVD players pay $$$ to the DVD-CCA, and agree not to do horrible things like *gasp* letting the user control stuff. |
| 01:20.58 | chris | oh my |
| 01:20.59 | debian | chris: note really...the fact is that windows complies with their license restriction (e.g. zoning) |
| 01:21.25 | lii | chris: To even qualify for licensing, you have to take certain measures to prevent the user from creating digital copies of the video stream. |
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| 01:21.32 | JoshTriplett | chris: Beyond that, you couldn't distribute the source to such a player, or you would be violating all the "tamper-proof" restrictions. |
| 01:21.40 | chris | lame... and what retards did my parents vote into office to cause this? |
| 01:21.53 | LSorensen | chris: It doesn't matter, the lobyist have more money |
| 01:21.56 | JoshTriplett | chris: Nothing to do with that. |
| 01:22.01 | chris | oh |
| 01:22.06 | JoshTriplett | chris: Laws are just another business expense, now. |
| 01:22.08 | chris | so no matter who is in office this would be the case? |
| 01:22.09 | xam | id |
| 01:22.12 | xam | arggll |
| 01:22.13 | chris | lame |
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| 01:22.23 | LSorensen | chris: until someone is in power that can't be bought with money, things won't get better |
| 01:22.38 | JoshTriplett | chris: Not necessarily, just that both Republicans and Democrats can be bought, and good luck electing anything else. |
| 01:22.44 | zimnyx | anyone here runs apache now ? |
| 01:22.50 | chris | lol... green_party++ |
| 01:22.55 | madduck | zimnyx: maybe |
| 01:23.06 | zimnyx | madduck: what debian ? |
| 01:23.11 | zimnyx | sid ? |
| 01:23.14 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen, JoshTriplett, chris: good luck finding that. Even the people doing the electing (read: you and me) can be bought. {think advertising.} |
| 01:23.16 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: at least canada tries new parties out (and occationally removes the existance of previously large parties) |
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| 01:23.44 | madduck | zimnyx: ask your question. don't ask about your question/ |
| 01:23.57 | chris | uhg.. this makes me want to go give the EFF more money |
| 01:24.08 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: Good luck buying me. I'd take the money, vote the way I wanted to anyway (since you can't legally put conditions on the donation), and donate the money to the EFF. |
| 01:24.27 | LSorensen | chris: I think the solution is to stop paying money to all lawyers :) |
| 01:24.28 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: (Of course, that only works once.) |
| 01:24.34 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: being bought doesn't necessarily mean that you actually recieved money. |
| 01:24.48 | debian | chris: you can tell your parents to write to their representatives |
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| 01:25.06 | debian | chris: here is a good example: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=85789&cid=7466693 |
| 01:25.08 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: True, there's always "you vote my way, I'll vote yours", between politicians. |
| 01:25.09 | chris | debian: yeah, they're too stupid to understand why that's important |
| 01:25.09 | zimnyx | madduck: i have been using `apache-modconf apache' and it used to have ncurses interface. now it works only in text mode. what about yours ? |
| 01:25.23 | JoshTriplett | s/stupid/unaware/ |
| 01:25.29 | chris | nah, stupid |
| 01:25.51 | chris | the same way that people are too stupid to rip CDs in good quality |
| 01:25.56 | chris | people just don't care. |
| 01:25.58 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: there are even more subtler forms. Again, think about the political advertising that you see, the media that you watch, what you think, what you believe. How much of that has been modulated by the expenditure of money by some one? |
| 01:26.03 | mickeyks | is it a crime to use an mta even if i'm connection to a remote mailserver? |
| 01:26.22 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: no, but in those cases, you probably want nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 01:26.23 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: That's not "buying the voter", unless the voter _wants_ to be bought. |
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| 01:26.44 | zoid | ok, i used to be able to print in firefox with through cups using qtcups...now in firefox 0.8, i'm not able to use qtcups, i have to use xprint...how can i get this to work? is there a doc somewhere or something? |
| 01:27.02 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: are those mtas? :) |
| 01:27.02 | JoshTriplett | zoid: Complain to the maintainer, the feature was removed. |
| 01:27.11 | LSorensen | zoid: whatever is wrong with printing through lp/lpr commands from firefox? |
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| 01:27.22 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: PostScript printing was removed. |
| 01:27.28 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: when? |
| 01:27.37 | zoid | LSorensen: i could never get my printer to work that way |
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| 01:28.01 | zoid | LSorensen: plus there's no where to specify command or else i'd still be able to specify qtcups |
| 01:28.04 | chris | hmm... now if I could just make 40 million USD and send morphix CDs out to everyone in the US, AOL-style... |
| 01:28.06 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: you don't necessarily have a say in the mater. Think about why you speak english, for example. Money influences everything, and the most powerfull forms of control often don't employ straight money for power exchanges. |
| 01:28.37 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Version 0.8-10, 30 May 2004 01:47:52 -0400. |
| 01:28.47 | zimnyx | madduck: what about yours modules-config ? |
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| 01:29.02 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: Well I guess that explains why qtcups isn't an option anymore |
| 01:29.04 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Following suit from Mozilla, which supposedly removed it, except it still works in Mozilla. |
| 01:29.04 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: they're lite MTAs. They basically get mail off of your box, onto a box where it can be delivered somewhere. |
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| 01:29.24 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: unless you're having mail delivered locally or specifically to your machine, you generally want one of those two. |
| 01:29.34 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: WHy would they do that? They still support print to postscript files. That's so stupid |
| 01:29.46 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: My reaction exactly. |
| 01:29.55 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: yes...i like their apt-cache descripts |
| 01:29.59 | chris | so if I mirror libdvdcss in the US, what are the chances I'll be asked to take it down? |
| 01:30.14 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Probably "It broke once on my machine, so it must be buggy, so I'll remove it in favor of this new stuff." |
| 01:30.18 | JoshTriplett | chris: nil. |
| 01:30.30 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: thanks, man...all i wanted to do was get mutt working on my workstation, and i kept trying to configure postfix and exim |
| 01:30.31 | dondelelcaro | chris: slim to none, unless you go around waving it in front of the MPAA |
| 01:30.37 | zoid | JoshTriplett: any idea if there's been discussions on the list about it? |
| 01:30.47 | JoshTriplett | chris: Considering the 1e6 other sites that mirror it. |
| 01:31.01 | JoshTriplett | zoid: Not that I know of, and I read most of the big ones. |
| 01:31.09 | chris | not that mirroring it would do any good... |
| 01:31.12 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: yeah, for that, there's no way you'd ever want exim or postfix. |
| 01:31.16 | chris | or would it? |
| 01:31.35 | JoshTriplett | chris: Not really, most people would rather download it from the authors, videolan.org . |
| 01:31.37 | zoid | JoshTriplett: bah, i'll make note of it and try and remember to write the list tomorrow when i get time |
| 01:31.49 | JoshTriplett | chris: Unless of course they are having bandwidth issues. |
| 01:31.54 | JoshTriplett | zoid: Thank you. |
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| 01:32.05 | JoshTriplett | zoid: Tried knotes? |
| 01:32.08 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: of those two, are they significantly different from one another in any obvious way? |
| 01:32.10 | LSorensen | dondelelcaro: I use exim localy when using a smarthost for mail. exim is great for that, especially exim4-light |
| 01:32.11 | zoid | JoshTriplett: nope, never used it |
| 01:32.16 | krunk- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.32 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: dunno. I personally use nullmailer. I've heard ssmtp works well too, though. |
| 01:32.50 | LSorensen | krunk-: did you read the apache logs and see what reason it gave for failing? |
| 01:32.52 | chris | why are other countries more liberal in regard to dvd encryption laws? |
| 01:33.02 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: do you use mutt? |
| 01:33.05 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: it's overkill for delivering to a smarthost. |
| 01:33.06 | LSorensen | chris: most other countries are not run by lobyists |
| 01:33.07 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: yes. |
| 01:33.07 | JoshTriplett | chris: The US tends to have the most draconian copyright laws. |
| 01:33.12 | LSorensen | dondelelcaro: but it's so simple to setup |
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| 01:33.21 | JoshTriplett | chris: Mostly because the US has most of the richest copyright holders. |
| 01:33.22 | mickeyks | chris: and because hollywood is not in other countries |
| 01:33.23 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: it's definetly not simpler than nullmailer. |
| 01:33.35 | chris | ahh |
| 01:33.39 | LSorensen | dondelelcaro: Well I like exim for normal mail servers, so I use it for everything |
| 01:33.41 | krunk- | LSorensen yes, I am looking at them, but besides the expected denied error log (the error I intentionally caused), there is nothing |
| 01:33.44 | LSorensen | dondelelcaro: and it's the default |
| 01:33.47 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: nullmailer has two configuration options. Where you want mail to go, and who you want mail to go to by default. |
| 01:33.49 | chris | hmm |
| 01:33.59 | chris | and there's nothing I can do to combat this, correct? |
| 01:34.14 | JoshTriplett | chris: Join and donate to the EFF. |
| 01:34.17 | LSorensen | chris: become rich and lobby for good things? |
| 01:34.20 | chris | done and done |
| 01:34.21 | chris | heh |
| 01:34.33 | chris | erm, about the eff |
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| 01:34.35 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: not to mention the fact that nullmailer doesn't listen on any ports by default, so it's a lot simpler and easier to keep exploit free. |
| 01:34.36 | LSorensen | chris: run for president? |
| 01:34.40 | chris | I have yet to become filthy rich.. |
| 01:34.42 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: but of course, use what you like. |
| 01:35.11 | LSorensen | dondelelcaro: I only have it running on machines behind a firewall, unless it is the mail server that should be handling incoming mail |
| 01:35.29 | krunk- | LSorensen I have also made sure to enable the include module and restart apache too when I noticed that the apache2.conf file aliased the error documents under that module. |
| 01:35.33 | chris | LSorensen: is the EFF generally for "good things"? |
| 01:35.39 | dondelelcaro | ah yes.. firewalls... crunchy on the outside, chewy on the inside. |
| 01:35.42 | LSorensen | chris: they seem to be. |
| 01:35.43 | JoshTriplett | LSorenson: Listen to some of the "Relics of the Chozo" songs at smproject.ocremix.org, particularly tracks 3, 6, 10, and 18, and tell me those wouldn't be _perfect_ for DDR. |
| 01:35.48 | lii | chris: Hmm .. study law and work for the EFF pro bono, and run an indie band in your spare time. :) |
| 01:36.23 | dondelelcaro | LSorensen: just a tip: A firewall doesn't alleviate you from a need to secure machines on the inside of the firewall... |
| 01:36.31 | JoshTriplett | chris: Yes. They oppose draconian copyright and patent law, unfair Cease and Desists, and similar stuff. |
| 01:36.35 | chris | lii: hmm... I'll find some drug lords and finance the purchase and sales of large amounts of cocaine, lounder the money, and then donate it all to the EFF... |
| 01:36.47 | chris | heh, jk of course |
| 01:36.49 | dondelelcaro | chris: it's kind of like the ACLU with clue. |
| 01:36.50 | chris | s/sales/sale |
| 01:37.08 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: can you use nullmailer with imap? |
| 01:37.13 | chris | lol @ the indie band comment |
| 01:37.29 | JoshTriplett | chris: Lots of indie stuff is great. |
| 01:37.29 | LSorensen | dondelelcaro: true, but I don't consider runing exim to be bad for security |
| 01:37.34 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: nullmailer is just for outgoing mail. I use it to deliver the mail to my smtp server, and then offlineimap to deal with my email. |
| 01:37.45 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: ehm, where are the tracks? |
| 01:37.49 | lii | chris: And when you get your Columbian jungle hideout all set up, we'll all drop by for a beer. :) |
| 01:37.55 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: right...so imap is only for incoming mail |
| 01:38.01 | davka | About a year ago, I read that the objc bindings for Gnome were out of date. Anyone know if that's still true? |
| 01:38.10 | chris | lii: good deal |
| 01:38.12 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: I assume bittorrent crap isn't the only access method there |
| 01:38.12 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: yeah. There are setups for it to do outgoing, but I've never bothered to do that. |
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| 01:38.33 | JoshTriplett | LSorenson: No. |
| 01:38.47 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: never mind, found them |
| 01:39.33 | chris | uhg, is there any way to flash my BIOS from linux? |
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| 01:40.07 | chris | I mean... DELL has an EXE file I'm supposed to use, and I need it for my ACPI stuff... is there some trick to extracting the actual BIOS upgrade and flashing from linux? |
| 01:40.26 | LSorensen | chris: not likely |
| 01:40.29 | chris | lame |
| 01:40.29 | JoshTriplett | chris: No. |
| 01:40.32 | mickeyks | chris: i think you might have to boot from a dos floppy |
| 01:40.34 | LSorensen | chris: yes. |
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| 01:40.45 | directhex | chris, freedos boot disk |
| 01:40.48 | chris | no floppy drive =/ |
| 01:40.53 | LSorensen | chris: running the exe from windows probably either flashes it or makes a boot floppy that does |
| 01:40.55 | chris | yeah, I'll have to make a DOS boot CD |
| 01:41.05 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: The latter. |
| 01:41.08 | chris | hmm |
| 01:41.15 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: IIRC. |
| 01:41.16 | chris | I hope it's a DOS utility and not a windows app.. |
| 01:41.17 | LSorensen | chris: floppies are still rather useful devices |
| 01:41.23 | chris | bah! |
| 01:41.25 | JoshTriplett | chris: Sometimes ".exe" files are really self-extracting zips, so you can open them with unzip, but that won't help you flash the BIOS. |
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| 01:41.33 | JoshTriplett | chris: Why do you need the newer BIOS. |
| 01:41.36 | bsims | Anyone know when Sid's 2.4 kernel will get the security patch? |
| 01:41.36 | LSorensen | chris: and a cd might not do, since it will often insist on saving a backup to the floppy |
| 01:41.38 | chris | JoshTriplett: good idea =] |
| 01:41.52 | chris | JoshTriplett: ACPI is mangled in my BIOS version =/ |
| 01:42.02 | chris | mine is a dell inspiron 5100 |
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| 01:42.22 | chris | I need the new ACPI stuff so I can see my battery level |
| 01:42.37 | chris | as it is now, it could cut off at any time without warning |
| 01:42.43 | LSorensen | chris: how can you have no floppy available? |
| 01:42.43 | JoshTriplett | chris: Ah. Go to linux-laptop.net , look for your laptop, and look for an updated "DSDT table". |
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| 01:42.50 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Laptop. |
| 01:42.56 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: It's common. |
| 01:43.02 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: so how does dell expect people to upgrade the bios? |
| 01:43.10 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Especially on "thin and light" laptops. |
| 01:43.22 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: I dunno. |
| 01:43.26 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: flash from windows? |
| 01:43.50 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Could be; never updated the BIOS on my Dell, although Dell always does when I send it in for service. |
| 01:43.50 | chris | JoshTriplett: I did that but 1) I couldn't get intel's whatchamacallit compiler to compile on my system 2) I read comments from people saying that ACPI works fine in new BIOS versions |
| 01:43.55 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: of course they could just ship it with a correct working bios, like used to have to before flash bioses |
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| 01:44.14 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: One can dream. |
| 01:44.17 | bsims | LSorensen: bah that would cost a whole penny more |
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| 01:44.34 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Again, I would love to have LinuxBIOS on my laptop, so I could fix it myself. |
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| 01:44.56 | LSorensen | Or they should their features with more than one version of windows (and some other OSs too) to ensure compliance |
| 01:45.03 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: so the fully-qualified host name in the nullmailer config is just, for example, yepmail.net ? |
| 01:45.04 | chris | JoshTriplett: what is LinuxBIOS? |
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| 01:45.23 | JoshTriplett | chris: A replacement for the BIOS on some machines, using a Linux kernel. |
| 01:45.30 | chris | interesting |
| 01:45.34 | JoshTriplett | chris: Used tons in clusters. |
| 01:45.45 | JoshTriplett | !search google for linuxbios |
| 01:45.46 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: yes. |
| 01:45.54 | dpkg | Google says linuxbios is at http://www.linuxbios.org/ or http://www.linuxbios.org/faq/ or http://www.linuxbios.org/status/ or http://www.linuxbios.org/papers/ or http://www.linuxbios.org/clusters/ |
| 01:45.55 | mickeyks | k |
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| 01:46.18 | JoshTriplett | chris: Think "3 second boot up to login prompt" |
| 01:46.22 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: They don't update bioses, they upgrade the mobo ;-) |
| 01:46.23 | ParaSiteX | i am looking for a tutorial on how to install a xserver and running a nice deskop on it. where can i find a simple tutorial, and which desktop do you like the most? |
| 01:46.30 | lycoste | is there a way to know if a certain port is open on the machine you're using? |
| 01:46.38 | chris | JoshTriplett: ?!?!?!! |
| 01:46.43 | JoshTriplett | lycoste: nmap yourself from another machine. |
| 01:46.49 | mickeyks | ParaSiteX: read about gnome and kde |
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| 01:47.05 | ParaSiteX | kde is nice |
| 01:47.07 | JoshTriplett | chris: Which is why it is used in clusters. |
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| 01:47.18 | chris | wow, hmm |
| 01:47.23 | ParaSiteX | is there something like a step-by-step tutorial somewhere on the web? |
| 01:47.35 | chris | JoshTriplett: does dell make their own mobos? |
| 01:47.44 | lycoste | JoshTriplett: |
| 01:47.49 | lycoste | JoshTriplett: thanks again :) |
| 01:47.52 | JoshTriplett | chris: Yes and no; dell-branded, but not dell-manufactured. |
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| 01:48.10 | chris | JoshTriplett: so how could I find out if my mobo is supported? |
| 01:48.11 | scarynetworkguy | Chris dell makes nothing. They assemble and rebadge all kinds of shit |
| 01:48.14 | shwag | anyone use Grip to make OGG's ? is it okay to add ID3 tags to the OGGs with grip ? |
| 01:48.18 | JoshTriplett | lycoste: Note that if you do it from the same machine, you will see tons open. |
| 01:48.24 | JoshTriplett | lycoste: That's OK. |
| 01:48.35 | JoshTriplett | chris: linuxbios.org . |
| 01:48.56 | chris | JoshTriplett: yes, but, if my mobo is dell-branded, how can I figure out which mobo it really is? |
| 01:49.03 | JoshTriplett | chris: But if you have a laptop (other than the exact model of RMS's thinkpad), the answer is probably "no". |
| 01:49.08 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: Well tarck 3 seems too blurred together to be good, 6 might do ok, 10 seems to slugish to do anything interesting with. 18 seems great for it. |
| 01:49.24 | LSorensen | chris: it's a custom design for dell |
| 01:49.30 | scarynetworkguy | Chris is this a dell desktop type machine? |
| 01:49.46 | scarynetworkguy | I heard that Stacy's mom has got it going on |
| 01:49.51 | lii | shwag: Ogg Vorbis has its own way of storing track information; the ripper app will have to support it, or you can add it afterward with the 'vorbiscomment' tool .. |
| 01:49.56 | LSorensen | chris: probably made by intel or asus, but it is a dell only design |
| 01:50.11 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: if i have local emails sent to my regular email address, does that mean that they'll go through the remote server first? |
| 01:50.24 | scarynetworkguy | LSorensen, probably neither dell put the cheapest offname stuff they can find in those boxes |
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| 01:50.30 | chris | scarynetworkguy: laptop, and stacy's mom does indeed have it going on |
| 01:50.46 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Most of them change tempos several times. |
| 01:50.46 | TheCoderThatISDa | What is the best Linux Magazine? Ive been looking at Linux journal |
| 01:50.48 | LSorensen | scarynetworkguy: depending on the model I guess |
| 01:51.00 | shwag | lii, sounds good. Thanks. |
| 01:51.02 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: yeah but they don't really have a clear beat going on (at least not in 3) |
| 01:51.06 | chris | TheCoderThatISDa: slashdot.org? |
| 01:51.12 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: 18 seems best suited |
| 01:51.16 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Anyway, I don't mean a Maniac-level song; I can't do those yet. |
| 01:51.21 | scarynetworkguy | LSorensen, I've never seen anything that even resembled an Asus hell if you could get an Asus at those prices maybe I would not be a hater anymore |
| 01:51.26 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Yeah, 18 and 6 seemed the most promising to me. |
| 01:51.26 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: I do around 4/5's |
| 01:51.27 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: yes. |
| 01:51.35 | LSorensen | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 01:51.40 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Same here, with the occasional 6. |
| 01:51.46 | scarynetworkguy | Chris :) I don't know I deal with a lot of dell servers and think they are pieces but thats just me |
| 01:51.55 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: DDR Max tracks I am still not used to. |
| 01:51.55 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: but if i just leave the entry blank in the config, can i not get the mail? |
| 01:52.16 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Seen "Classic Party Triathalon"? |
| 01:52.21 | scarynetworkguy | emotinal age that is |
| 01:52.24 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: I don't think so. |
| 01:52.33 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: I don't play the ripped DDR tracks, since I don't own them. |
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| 01:52.43 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: I have quite a few of them |
| 01:52.47 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: It's a classical music medley. |
| 01:52.48 | scarynetworkguy | LSorensen, make sure your ripper goes to 11 |
| 01:52.49 | chris | scarynetworkguy: well, a friend of mine who fixes laptops all day every day told me that toshiba and dell are the two longest lasting... so, I took his advice. his words, not mine. |
| 01:52.52 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Really fun. |
| 01:53.06 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: I have played with a few classical music ones. some are very good. |
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| 01:53.28 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: The quality of the fan-made songs varies wildly. Any good recommendations? |
| 01:53.33 | scarynetworkguy | Chris We have a dept dell laptop at work and other than having XP on it is is pretty fly |
| 01:53.41 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: eh? you want that set to whatever your machine's hostname is. |
| 01:54.02 | chris | scarynetworkguy: linux support is great so far, aside from the ACPI crap |
| 01:54.10 | chris | scarynetworkguy: which soon should be a non-issue |
| 01:54.12 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: just the hostname? not hostname@something or anything like that? |
| 01:54.18 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: yes, just the hostname. |
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| 01:54.31 | scarynetworkguy | Chris at work knoppix boots and runs on it no problem so yea I'd expect that |
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| 01:54.52 | scarynetworkguy | so now I just need to figure out how to get Stacy's mom into my dragula |
| 01:55.00 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: the config says "unknown host" so i must be doing something wrong somewhere |
| 01:55.11 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: I like one called 'Children's Sketchbook' |
| 01:55.21 | ParaSiteX | do i need to install something for the xserver before i can isntall KDE? |
| 01:55.36 | chris | hmm... Totem says "The movie 'Error reading from DVD.' could not be read." Any ideas? Is there a way to force a more verbose message? |
| 01:55.54 | mickeyks | ParaSiteX: in debian, kde should install everything it needs along with itself |
| 01:55.58 | LSorensen | chris: what does this say: ls -l /dev/dvd |
| 01:56.00 | scarynetworkguy | ParaSiteX, apt-get install xserver-xfree86 when it lists the suggested packages pay attention and install them also then do kde |
| 01:56.02 | JoshTriplett | chris: Run it from a console. |
| 01:56.20 | lii | chris: Have a look in ~/.xsession-errors first; Totem sometimes echoes messages to stderr .. |
| 01:56.22 | chris | JoshTriplett: oh right, duh =] |
| 01:56.29 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: there are three settings. The first, set to your hostname, eg. what ever your computer is called. If you don't know, set it to me. |
| 01:56.38 | ParaSiteX | mickeyks are you sure? scarynetworkguy say otherwise |
| 01:56.40 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: x-window-system |
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| 01:57.16 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett, I did not see it in the list. but then again I am a drunk crack monkey so I might have missed it. |
| 01:57.21 | mickeyks | ParaSiteX: i think you can do it either way. |
| 01:57.30 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: Oh, you mean in tasksel? |
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| 01:57.39 | mickeyks | ParaSiteX: X can be hard to get running. you will probably have to tweak it and reconfigure it. |
| 01:57.41 | scarynetworkguy | ParaSiteX, it might install x I've never tried that way. |
| 01:57.42 | ParaSiteX | ok |
| 01:57.46 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett, yup |
| 01:57.46 | chrisrend | does anyone here have any tips on how to get an all in wonder video card to work? I am getting /dev/video0 no grabber device |
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| 01:57.51 | ParaSiteX | i'll tery |
| 01:57.52 | ParaSiteX | thanx |
| 01:57.53 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: the second you set to your smarthost. Eg, your upstream MTA. The final, you set to whatever address you want to recieve mail, eg: you@youremailaddress.com |
| 01:57.58 | LSorensen | scarynetworkguy: not everything is in tasksel |
| 01:58.30 | murdok | i know xorg isnt standard with debian but has anyone had any luck compiling it on debian? I tried but there were a bunch of missing links to files |
| 01:58.41 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: i think i did all that correctly. could it be that i don't have my hostname set correctly in some basic file in /etc or something? |
| 01:58.51 | LSorensen | murdok: I suspect xorg isn't ready to be used |
| 01:58.57 | scarynetworkguy | LSorensen, yup the install I did today I just glanced at tasksel and then did nothing then put nessus on it. I call it "nessusbob" |
| 01:59.07 | murdok | ok |
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| 01:59.16 | chrisrend | I have support in my kernel for the ati card and v4l |
| 01:59.22 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: it's possible. What does hostname --fqdn return? |
| 01:59.23 | scarynetworkguy | chicks dig guys who can install nessus |
| 01:59.38 | murdok | so thats what ive been doing wrong |
| 01:59.48 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: hostname: Unknown host |
| 01:59.50 | mickeyks | :) |
| 02:00.05 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: ok, you don't have your hostname setup properly, and neither is /etc/hosts. |
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| 02:00.08 | DebianTUX | Ji |
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| 02:00.22 | DebianTUX | how do i enable DMA for the disks in 2.6.6? |
| 02:00.27 | bahadunn | how can I compile binutils with static libs? |
| 02:00.36 | JoshTriplett | murdok: You might try asking Daniel Stone. |
| 02:00.38 | LSorensen | DebianTUX: which ide controller, which HDs? |
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| 02:00.58 | scarynetworkguy | !aliensmite cds for being so damn slow |
| 02:00.58 | DebianTUX | LSorensen: SIS controler and a maxtor hd... it is enabled on 2.4-bf |
| 02:00.58 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: edit /etc/hostname; set it appropriately, then edit /etc/hosts and add a line like the following: 127.0.0.1 hostname.foo.com hostname localhost localhost. |
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| 02:01.36 | LSorensen | DebianTUX: there is a problem in 2.6.6 with some maxtor disks. fixed in 2.6.7 but if you turn on dma on 2.6.6 you are probably going to crash the machine. Someone here tried that a couple of days ago, but when he went to 2.6.7 it just worked. |
| 02:01.40 | scarynetworkguy | poll alert |
| 02:01.51 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: but i don't understand hostname.foo.com. my machine's hostname is not part of any foo.com. it's just the name of my computer. |
| 02:01.56 | DebianTUX | LSorensen: thanks! |
| 02:02.00 | scarynetworkguy | anybody seen chronicles of riddick yet? and if so is it worth my 5 bucks |
| 02:02.04 | DebianTUX | LSorensen: i will update it right now |
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| 02:02.07 | mickeyks | scarynetworkguy: no |
| 02:02.12 | mickeyks | scarynetworkguy: it's worthless |
| 02:02.17 | LSorensen | DebianTUX: Yeah but there are no 2.6.7 debian packages yet that I know of. |
| 02:02.23 | murdok | scarynetworkguy: my coworker went to it and he said its horrible |
| 02:02.26 | scarynetworkguy | mickeyks, did you like pitch black? |
| 02:02.30 | chris | scarynetworkguy: OMG NO POLLS IN DEBIAN!! |
| 02:02.31 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: I saw the movie that introduced the character, and it wouldn't have been worth it either. |
| 02:02.31 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: still, your machine should resolve to a FQDN. |
| 02:02.34 | mickeyks | scarynetworkguy: yep. |
| 02:02.45 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: regardless, so long as you have a hostname, it should be ok. |
| 02:02.47 | LSorensen | DebianTUX: strangely on a promise controller, these maxtor drives work fine with 2.6.6 |
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| 02:02.48 | chrisrend | is there a channel for the ati card in linux? |
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| 02:03.00 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett, I love pich black in fact I just bought the unrated DVD |
| 02:03.07 | JoshTriplett | chrisrend: What kind of help do you need? |
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| 02:03.42 | scarynetworkguy | mickeyks, I need to go see it anyway for the same reason I slogged through "The Confusion" but I was just wondering if I should get my hopes up. :) |
| 02:03.56 | scarynetworkguy | oh chris kicked me |
| 02:04.00 | xerophyte | is there any command i can sum a colunm of numbers ? |
| 02:04.10 | DebianTUX | LSorensen: damn .. my hard drive is realy slow without it... 4.9mbps :-( |
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| 02:04.20 | LSorensen | DebianTUX: yeah that's pretty normal |
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| 02:04.27 | chrisrend | I am trying to install an ati all in wonder card in debian and I have support for v4l and my card. and when I run aatv i get /dev/video0 no grabber device |
| 02:04.43 | LSorensen | DebianTUX: you can use hdparm to turn on dma if you want to try it, but don't be surprised if it crashes quickly |
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| 02:04.55 | DebianTUX | LSorensen: thanks. i will try something tomorrow... than i tell you |
| 02:05.03 | LSorensen | chrisrend: Does the kernel have v4l support for ati hardware? |
| 02:05.04 | JoshTriplett | chrisend: Do you have permissions for the device? adduser you video and logout and log back in. |
| 02:05.05 | DebianTUX | LSorensen: i tried, but it didnt crash |
| 02:05.08 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: perl will do it pretty easily. |
| 02:05.15 | LSorensen | DebianTUX: Did it speed up? |
| 02:05.18 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, how |
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| 02:05.26 | DebianTUX | no.. it didnt enable the dma |
| 02:05.27 | chrisrend | yes, I have all of that |
| 02:05.27 | Bradders | Heh all! |
| 02:05.32 | Bradders | Anyone used xmove? |
| 02:05.35 | LSorensen | DebianTUX: hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda? |
| 02:05.43 | DebianTUX | yes |
| 02:05.47 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: you could do it using awk as well. FE, cat col_o_numbers|perl -ne 'BEGIN{$a=0;}; $a+=$_; END{print $a}' |
| 02:05.49 | DebianTUX | operation not permited |
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| 02:05.55 | Bradders | debiantux: was that to me? |
| 02:05.55 | Bradders | :0 |
| 02:05.56 | LSorensen | DebianTUX: what does grep dma /proc/ide/hda/settings say? |
| 02:05.59 | LSorensen | DebianTUX: ah ok. |
| 02:06.11 | LSorensen | DebianTUX: debian kernel image, or your own build? |
| 02:06.15 | JoshTriplett | LSorenson: So how would one go about attempting to make a .dance file for those songs, without just having to guess at the bpm and have horrible sync? |
| 02:06.22 | DebianTUX | LSorensen: my own build :-) |
| 02:06.26 | chrisrend | Is there any way I can just run this ati with vesa and have the video work |
| 02:06.39 | LSorensen | DebianTUX: maybe you left out an option for your ide controller needed to support dma then |
| 02:06.40 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: (Or a .dwi, or anything else pydance can play.) |
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| 02:06.48 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: i'm reading man hostname, but i'm still not sure how to set up the file. right now it contains one word: the name of my computer. |
| 02:06.50 | DebianTUX | LSorensen: for the first time everithing is working fine on my build... less this problem |
| 02:06.58 | JoshTriplett | chrisrend: No, video capture is very card-specific. |
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| 02:07.05 | jaxxan | hey ya'll |
| 02:07.08 | DebianTUX | LSorensen: im searching ... |
| 02:07.14 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: DWI (win program) and stepmania seems to have decent editors to help out a bit. I haven't tried to start from scratch though |
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| 02:07.19 | JoshTriplett | chrisrend: You might try another player. |
| 02:07.21 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: that's all it needs to contain. |
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| 02:07.38 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: you just need to have /etc/hosts set up properly too so that your machine's hostname will resolve. |
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| 02:07.46 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Yes, I tried the stepmania editor, but I would still need to know the bpm, and re-figure it each time it changes. |
| 02:07.47 | manchine | /usr/include/bits/local_lim.h:36:26: linux/limits.h: No such file or directory |
| 02:07.58 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: With 500 songs to play with I haven't gotten through them all yet :) |
| 02:07.58 | manchine | whicch package am i missing? |
| 02:08.03 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: (Also, I meant the DWI format, not the DWI program.) |
| 02:08.07 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: 22 here. |
| 02:08.09 | LSorensen | manchine: libc6-dev ? |
| 02:08.17 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: yeah I know. |
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| 02:08.35 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: there are quite a few sites around with home made dwi tracks |
| 02:08.48 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: some are insanely difficult |
| 02:08.52 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Yeah, I used bemanistyle until they turned into a ratio site. |
| 02:09.10 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Know any program to figure out the bpm of a song, especially one that handles changing bpms? |
| 02:09.10 | kristin | im looking for a way to perform an incremental backup of my mysql database data is this possible? |
| 02:09.20 | chrisrend | JoshTripplett: thanks, |
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| 02:09.34 | manchine | LSorensen, nope |
| 02:09.36 | mickeyks | dondelelcaro: but i don't get it...in /etc/hosts, can i make the domain name foo@anything.com? |
| 02:09.40 | kristin | mysqldump seems to be capable of full backup only.. |
| 02:09.45 | manchine | LSorensen, libc6-dev is already the newest version. |
| 02:10.03 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: gjay mentions something about finding bpm of mp3/ogg files |
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| 02:10.07 | lii | kristin: There is, but you'd need to set up replication. |
| 02:10.17 | JoshTriplett | LSorenson: Thanks, I'll look into that. |
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| 02:10.26 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: foo@anything.com is not a domain name |
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| 02:10.30 | LSorensen | mac: what was the filename again? |
| 02:10.35 | mickeyks | a sample /etc/hostname file i found online says it needs to have a FQDN |
| 02:10.47 | dondelelcaro | mickeyks: it's wrong. |
| 02:10.50 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, thx |
| 02:10.53 | LSorensen | mickeyks: no the /etc/hosts file normally has the full name and the short name |
| 02:11.06 | LSorensen | mickeyks: like: 127.0.0.1 shorname shortname.domain localhost |
| 02:11.08 | ParaSiteX | i have a question concerning the xserver and my graphic card. My graphic card is a very old VGA from 1992 and is very slow when i have many window open. Is it possible to use VNC from another computer in full speed (without these Graphiccard-restrictions)? |
| 02:11.10 | xerophyte | dondelelcaro, may i messsage you |
| 02:11.20 | LSorensen | mickeyks: er 127.0.0.1 name.domain name localhost |
| 02:11.21 | manchine | LSorensen, any further suggestion? |
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| 02:11.23 | dondelelcaro | xerophyte: just ask in channel... I'm busy working on other things... |
| 02:11.32 | kristin | hmmm.. replicvation? you mean like running a mysql server on a different mach to replicate data on the main mysql serfver |
| 02:11.35 | LSorensen | manchine: what file name was it? |
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| 02:11.36 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: Your card would need to be _really_ slow for VNC to be faster. |
| 02:11.38 | ParaSiteX | or will my desktop still me slow from another host? |
| 02:11.47 | mickeyks | LSorensen: could you give me an example with actual names instead of placeholders please? |
| 02:11.56 | manchine | LSorensen, limits.h |
| 02:12.00 | ParaSiteX | JoshTriplett: so VNC depends on my graphic card? |
| 02:12.17 | lii | kristin: Yes; there's really no other way of tracking what data's changed since the last backup. |
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| 02:12.20 | LSorensen | mickeyks: what is the name of the machine supposed to be? |
| 02:12.28 | mickeyks | LSorensen: corinthian |
| 02:12.28 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: Not because of the speed of your graphics card, no. But if the desktop also has slow memory/CPU/bus/network, that would slow down VNC. |
| 02:12.35 | LSorensen | manchine: that's not a header on linux. Might be on bsd. |
| 02:12.39 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: No, VNC doesn't depend on your graphics card. |
| 02:12.40 | ParaSiteX | yeah that's true |
| 02:12.44 | LSorensen | mickeyks: and part of which domain? |
| 02:12.44 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: You could try it. |
| 02:12.51 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: Or just try "ssh -X" |
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| 02:13.03 | LSorensen | mickeyks: if it's an internal machine, I tend to use the domain: lan |
| 02:13.05 | ParaSiteX | hum checking the man ;) |
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| 02:13.09 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: Unless you plan to attach to it from a Windows box. |
| 02:13.10 | manchine | LSorensen, i'm on a lin box trying to make a lin app :) |
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| 02:13.27 | LSorensen | manchine: oh sorry. It does exist. I mistyped my search |
| 02:13.35 | ParaSiteX | what i would love like is to use vnc to connect to my server without having it started X |
| 02:13.39 | kristin | lii: i see i guess il just have to look it up on the internet ... btw is there a single file where mysql stores its data? |
| 02:13.42 | mickeyks | LSorensen: that's what i don't understand. i don't know what domain it's part of. i have access to remote mail servers, but i get the feeling that's not really related. |
| 02:13.50 | manchine | LSorensen, packaage? |
| 02:14.06 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: Google for VNC inetd XDMCP - you can make VNC attach to a display manager with a login prompt. |
| 02:14.15 | lii | kristin: No -- MySQL stores at least two files per table: they're grouped into directories at /var/lib/mysql. |
| 02:14.27 | ParaSiteX | cool |
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| 02:14.31 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: Also, ssh -X doesn't require an X server running on the ssh server, just on the ssh client end. |
| 02:14.35 | ParaSiteX | JoshTriplett does this run on windows ? |
| 02:14.40 | DMJC | can you run ensim on debian? |
| 02:14.41 | lii | kristin: As a sort of poor-man's incremental backup, can also turn the binary log on, and archive the logs as soon as they rotate. But you're essentially stuffed if you lose just one of the files or don't have a complete dump to start from. |
| 02:14.43 | ParaSiteX | kay |
| 02:15.01 | lii | kristin: Yes, it's all in the MySQL manual. |
| 02:15.04 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: VNC, yes. ssh -X, no, unless you run a Windows X server such as Cygwin/X. |
| 02:15.16 | ParaSiteX | kay |
| 02:15.25 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: Why not install Debian on your powerful box. |
| 02:15.26 | ParaSiteX | nice =) |
| 02:15.27 | JoshTriplett | s/./?/ |
| 02:15.35 | LSorensen | manchine: kernel-headers package. name should be: libc6-dev has /usr/include/limits.h, so does gcc-3.3, and linux-kernel-headers |
| 02:15.36 | DMJC | my mate just trashed his redhat server |
| 02:15.45 | DMJC | can you run ensim on debian? |
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| 02:16.00 | DMJC | we're thinking of replacing redhat with debian |
| 02:16.03 | manchine | mmm |
| 02:16.15 | ParaSiteX | i don't wanted it as desktop on my powerfull box. i just need that linux-box as server and to test stuff. the X-server-thing is more to play around and test stuff |
| 02:16.16 | LSorensen | mickeyks: it's not related. most mail software simply insists that there must be some domain |
| 02:16.17 | kristin | ah icc.. so everything(data) is on the /var/lib/mysql atleast fo debian.. |
| 02:16.22 | LSorensen | mickeyks: so machinename.lan works |
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| 02:17.15 | mickeyks | LSorensen: so in /etc/hosts, i can have "127.0.0.1 machinename.lan localhost"? |
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| 02:18.07 | LSorensen | mickeyks: well '127.0.0.1 machinename.lan machinename localhost', and /etc/hostname has 'machinename' |
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| 02:18.21 | LSorensen | mickeyks: that's what I tend to do |
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| 02:19.09 | Venker | hi there |
| 02:19.37 | ParaSiteX | JoshTriplett: i'm not sure if i explained well: i have that linux-box with the slow Graphic card, and i have another px running windows. What i want to do is be able to start a Xserver from my windows-box, by connecting on the linuxbox. the linuxbox should not start the xserver thoughm since the graphiccard is too slow to display too much window... "VNC inetd XDMCP" isn't that made for linux? |
| 02:19.41 | JoshTriplett | DMJC: Looks like proprietary software, so if it is distributed as packages for RedHat, it will probably be quite difficult to run on Debian. Use Free Software instead. |
| 02:19.58 | mickeyks | LSorensen: do you have any ipv6 stuff in /etc/hosts? my netbase upgrade added some to mine |
| 02:20.27 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: You have several options. 1) Run an X server on the Windows box, and use something like "ssh -X debianbox startkde". |
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| 02:20.34 | LSorensen | mickeyks: yeah lots |
| 02:20.41 | LSorensen | mickeyks: I just leave that alone |
| 02:20.44 | ParaSiteX | ssh -X in cygwin then ok ;) |
| 02:20.45 | lii | ParaSiteX: VNC itself is not terribly efficient; you can try out the Cygwin X server and have it connect to your Linux XDMCP host .. |
| 02:20.49 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: 2) Run Xvnc on the debian box, connect to it via VNC. |
| 02:20.49 | xinming | anyone here can tell me how to change the default input method for gnome plz? |
| 02:20.59 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: 3) Install Debian on your powerful box. |
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| 02:21.05 | ParaSiteX | hehe |
| 02:21.23 | JoshTriplett | lii: VNC is more efficient than the X wire protocol. |
| 02:21.25 | mickeyks | LSorensen: ok i changed it. what can i do to verify that it's working |
| 02:21.34 | JoshTriplett | lii: Especially if you use something like TightVNC. |
| 02:21.36 | kristin | lii: http://www.zzee.com/zmdb/ -- im crrently looking at this.. |
| 02:21.39 | marmot | Anyone here know the fix for missing icons after upgrading to Gnome 2.6 on sarge ? |
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| 02:21.58 | lii | JoshTriplett: I've not tried TightVNC, but found VNC to be horribly inefficient on a slow LAN .. |
| 02:22.05 | LSorensen | mickeyks: hostname --fqdm |
| 02:22.07 | LSorensen | mickeyks: hostname --fqdn |
| 02:22.18 | ParaSiteX | and it won't work with a normal VNC then... i need that "VNC inetd XDMCP"-thing |
| 02:22.20 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: That was my question from earlier: Why not just install Debian on your powerful box? |
| 02:22.23 | LSorensen | mickeyks: and hostname. with fqdm it should say machinename.lan, and without it should say machinename |
| 02:22.31 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: No, normal VNC will work. |
| 02:22.37 | ParaSiteX | ah okay |
| 02:22.42 | mickeyks | LSorensen: unknown host! (although just "hostname" does return the name of the machine) |
| 02:22.44 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: You just have to log in to the box and run a VNC server first. |
| 02:23.03 | ParaSiteX | why? because i don't want to use linux as desktop. it's only for testing stuff and play around on my server.box |
| 02:23.05 | LSorensen | mickeyks: what excactly does hostname return? |
| 02:23.25 | mickeyks | LSorensen: corinthian |
| 02:23.25 | lii | kristin: Ah, very interesting. :) Thanks for the pointer .. |
| 02:23.32 | LSorensen | mickeyks: and what line is in /etc/hosts? |
| 02:23.33 | starseed | he likes buggy microsoft stuff, |
| 02:23.34 | ick | JoshTripplett : Ok here is my problem, when I compile the 2.4.18 kernel with the ati radeon driver, I can load the driver but it said its unused but the videodrv is used and the driver scanns my cards and doesnt find an my all in wonder card. |
| 02:23.39 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: Setting up the VNC server through inetd to connect to a display manager with XDMCP lets you leave it running all the time, and get a login prompt when you attach via VNC. |
| 02:23.41 | lii | kristin: We would have just rolled our own jury-rigged script to do the same thing here. :) |
| 02:23.42 | ParaSiteX | JoshTriplett: i run the vnc-server on the linuxbox. then i start VNC on windows and connect to it. right? |
| 02:23.49 | mickeyks | LSorensen: 127.0.0.l corinthian.lan corinthian localhost |
| 02:23.50 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: Yes. |
| 02:23.55 | ParaSiteX | ok |
| 02:23.56 | ParaSiteX | got it |
| 02:24.02 | JoshTriplett | ick: What Radeon card do you have? |
| 02:24.09 | LSorensen | mickeyks: I hope that l isn't really there where the 1 should be |
| 02:24.24 | chrisrend | JoshTripplett the ati all in wonder pci card |
| 02:24.30 | ParaSiteX | is there a tutorial to do so ? ^^ I'm kinda new to this things |
| 02:24.37 | chrisrend | ive seen that it is compatable |
| 02:24.41 | starseed | people are so hesitant to do things, just get in there and do stuff, eventually you get it right, or have to reinstall the distro |
| 02:24.51 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: There should be some documentation on the TightVNC site. |
| 02:24.56 | xinming | anyone here would help me?how to change the default input methd for X . |
| 02:25.07 | chrisrend | JoshTriplett: maybe i need a different ati driver |
| 02:25.11 | JoshTriplett | chrisrend: Yes, but what is the number? Radeon 7500, Radeon 9200, etc. |
| 02:25.12 | ParaSiteX | ok thanks so far. you aws a great help |
| 02:25.14 | starseed | xinming: what exactlly do you mean by that ? |
| 02:25.20 | JoshTriplett | chrisrend: Could be, that's why I'm asking. |
| 02:25.26 | scarynetworkguy | squid vicious |
| 02:25.30 | mickeyks | LSorensen: jeezus. fucking. christ. how long ago did THAT shit happen? |
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| 02:25.37 | LSorensen | mickeyks: :) |
| 02:25.52 | LSorensen | mickeyks: does that fix it? |
| 02:26.07 | mickeyks | LSorensen: hostname --fqdn returns corinthian.lan |
| 02:26.11 | LSorensen | mickeyks: yay! |
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| 02:26.27 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen, mickeyks: Don't you just love one-line fixes? |
| 02:26.33 | mickeyks | LSorensen: thanks a lot man! |
| 02:26.35 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: especially 1 char fixes |
| 02:26.43 | chrisrend | its not high end and its not new, I bought it for about 200 bucks. Id have to crack it open to see |
| 02:26.44 | mickeyks | LSorensen: er...do i need to reconfigure nullmailer now...? |
| 02:26.50 | LSorensen | mickeyks: no clue. :) |
| 02:26.54 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: that one is embarassing |
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| 02:27.10 | mickeyks | i don't see how i could have made that mistake |
| 02:27.31 | xinming | starseed: I mean I am using fcitx for inputing Chinese characters,But Now the system set to uim-py by default,And I can set it into X input method by right click on the screen,and the fcitx work,But I can't use this way to get fcitx work in firefox for me. |
| 02:27.40 | JoshTriplett | chrisrend: Not necessarily. run "lspci" as root to see all your cards, and it should show the model number. |
| 02:27.50 | mickeyks | i may not know a lot about linux, but i know that there aren't letters in ipv4 addresses |
| 02:27.52 | LSorensen | mickeyks: helps to have a font where l and 1 look different enough to spot it :) |
| 02:27.52 | ParaSiteX | JoshTriplett: is the package for the xvnc this one: linuxvnc - A VNC server to monitor a tty |
| 02:27.53 | xinming | starseed: It works before I use apt-get update;apt-get upgrade. :'( |
| 02:27.55 | JoshTriplett | chrisrend: Also, are you running stable, testing, or unstable. |
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| 02:28.08 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: No. Hang on a sec. |
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| 02:28.12 | mickeyks | LSorensen: yeah...even a lot of gurus wouldn't have seen that four hours i think |
| 02:28.13 | chrisrend | I am running stable |
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| 02:28.23 | mwilson | ewwww... nullmailer |
| 02:28.26 | ParaSiteX | rfb - VNC Server for X11 - exports current display |
| 02:28.34 | starseed | xinming: sorry, can't help, no experience in that |
| 02:28.35 | afaik | mwilson.. the undernet lurker :) |
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| 02:28.41 | TheMasterMind1 | i'm attemping to write a command line utility using lib lrmi to execute the video card rom bios... anyone wanna help? |
| 02:28.43 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: No, that's only if you are already running an X server. Use tightvncserver. |
| 02:28.58 | JoshTriplett | TheMasterMind1: To what end? |
| 02:29.03 | ParaSiteX | ok works |
| 02:29.14 | mwilson | nullmailer evil |
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| 02:29.20 | TheMasterMind1 | JoshTriplett: utility to re-initialize the video card after a suspend/resume cycle |
| 02:29.22 | xinming | starseed: It's ok, |
| 02:29.31 | simonrvn | xinming: read the docs that came with it |
| 02:29.34 | mickeyks | mwilson: but dondelelcaro helpfully explained that nullmailer (and ssmtp) is what i actually want: a light mta made for people who want to use an mta with a remote mailserver |
| 02:29.48 | JoshTriplett | TheMasterMind1: Sounds interesting. Does X not do that, or are you not running X? |
| 02:29.50 | LSorensen | TheMasterMind1: why not just store all registers and restore all registers after? |
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| 02:30.02 | JoshTriplett | TheMasterMind1: Just asking because that kind of thing should be done by X. |
| 02:30.09 | Stween | This might be a strange little question, but is there any preferred images (gif, jpg, png, etc) to place on webpages to link to debian.org? Have glanced over some docs and the Debian FAQ. Wondered if it's a great big free-for-all ;) |
| 02:30.10 | mwilson | mickeyks: I'm just messing with you... I've found nullmailer to be extremely unreliable. I use ssmtp in those situations. |
| 02:30.18 | TheMasterMind1 | JoshTriplett: there's a patch for X's radeon driver that does it.. but that means i can't suspend from console |
| 02:30.25 | LSorensen | Stween: there should be some on the www.debian.org site somewhere |
| 02:30.29 | JoshTriplett | Stween: Yes, there are Debian buttons to link with. |
| 02:30.32 | mwilson | mickeyks: The advantage of nullmailer is that it can queue, ssmtp can't. |
| 02:30.38 | LSorensen | stew: might even be included in the apache package already |
| 02:30.56 | TheMasterMind1 | LSorensen: no docs on which registers matter |
| 02:31.04 | LSorensen | TheMasterMind1: so do them all |
| 02:31.22 | mickeyks | mwilson: er...you mean like, when there's a lot of mail to send...? :) |
| 02:31.26 | LSorensen | TheMasterMind1: after all you don't want to reset the card, you want it back to excactly how it was before suspend |
| 02:31.26 | JoshTriplett | Stween: http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
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| 02:31.47 | Stween | JoshTriplett: Good man - cheers |
| 02:32.08 | xinming | simonrvn: not the problem of fcitx,I encountered this problem after apt-get upgrade. :-( |
| 02:32.09 | mwilson | mickeyks: No, I mean that nullmailer will accept mail while you aren't necessarily connected, and send it later. If ssmtp can't send it immediately, you get an error. |
| 02:32.10 | JoshTriplett | TheMasterMind1: You could copy the code from X and attempt to make it run in a standalone app. |
| 02:32.27 | mickeyks | mwilson: oh, ok |
| 02:32.45 | cafuego | meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh |
| 02:32.57 | TheMasterMind1 | JoshTriplett: yea.. but X has a complex x86 emulator setup to run real mode bios calls which i dont' particularly understand. i'm trying to convert it to calls to the lrmi library |
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| 02:33.13 | simonrvn | xinming: i can't help much, but here's some advice: trace back what happened, and see where it could have gone wrong. |
| 02:33.13 | JoshTriplett | TheMasterMind1: Ewww, didn't know that. |
| 02:33.17 | cafuego | a 5 bloody hour stopover at LAX? |
| 02:33.29 | JoshTriplett | TheMasterMind1: Isn't there some way to do it directly, without involving the BIOS? |
| 02:33.38 | mwilson | mickeyks: I run ssmtp on all the machines in the house save the gateway, and nullmailer on my laptop. |
| 02:33.45 | TheMasterMind1 | JoshTriplett: not sure. |
| 02:34.02 | mickeyks | mwilson: i thought you used postfix |
| 02:34.09 | JoshTriplett | TheMasterMind1: Anything that doesn't involve proprietary software (e.g. the BIOS) is good. |
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| 02:34.20 | mwilson | mickeyks: Not me. |
| 02:34.21 | xinming | simonrvn: I know,thanks, |
| 02:34.41 | mwilson | mickeyks: I *have* used postfix. I do not now use postfix. |
| 02:35.22 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: So do you have ssmtp/nullmailer send mail for root/system users through your SMTP server? |
| 02:35.22 | mickeyks | mwilson: how is nullmailer unreliable? you lost email? |
| 02:35.23 | gb2312 | xinming: i'm using fcitx, seems ok |
| 02:35.31 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: I run exim on the gateway, ssmtp/nullmailer use it as a smarthost, and it uses my ISP as a smarthost. |
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| 02:36.31 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Just asking because at the moment I use Mozilla Mailnews for all my mail, and I never see the mail for system users unless I cat /var/spool/mail/josh . |
| 02:36.47 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: I don't really want a full-blown mail server. |
| 02:36.52 | Xenguy | Is a hostname limited to 8 characters, or can it be any length |
| 02:36.52 | Xenguy | ? |
| 02:36.55 | xinming | gb2312: |
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| 02:37.05 | xinming | gb2312: Not works for me, |
| 02:37.12 | dhoyo | Hello I'm Spanish and I cannot speak English very well |
| 02:37.15 | xinming | gb2312: did you get msn or QQ? |
| 02:37.18 | dhoyo | I'm sorry |
| 02:37.19 | mwilson | There's supposed to be a way to get MozMail to read a local spool, but I disremember what it is. |
| 02:37.27 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: But I don't really want mail for system users to go through my ISP; especially if it was a mail like "Mail to your server is bouncing --exim". :) |
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| 02:37.38 | JoshTriplett | s/server/ISP's mail server/ |
| 02:37.47 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Ah, that would be perfect. |
| 02:38.03 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: No, I defined a local domain here for my machines to be a member of, exim is smart enough to know that's local. |
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| 02:38.10 | afaik | I watch that white guy with the afro on channel 9.. learn how to paint |
| 02:38.16 | xinming | gb2312: can you see chinese any way. |
| 02:38.22 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: So they never get forwarded to Cox. I read mail on the gateway. |
| 02:38.23 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: In that case, is there something slightly more powerful than nullmailer or ssmtp that can also do the local delivery of system mail? |
| 02:38.31 | dhoyo | I wan't to Know how can I make a boot floppy of Knoppix 3.4 |
| 02:38.38 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: exim4-light |
| 02:38.41 | gb2312 | yes, i was using galeon though |
| 02:38.42 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Cool, but I'm not a fan of mutt or text-based mailreaders. |
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| 02:38.50 | dhoyo | Anybody can I help me? |
| 02:38.51 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: That's what I'm using now. |
| 02:38.58 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: and it's very good |
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| 02:39.04 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: So you run an imapd or popd on the gateway, have MozMail pull it out. |
| 02:39.15 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: But I don't have it set up to send outgoing mail to verizon. |
| 02:39.22 | stianj | is it only me that has a broken xinerama setup after tonights update? |
| 02:39.27 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: There is no gateway, at least not for mail. |
| 02:39.29 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: easy to do |
| 02:39.30 | xinming | gb2312: I can't use Chinese in xchat because the fcitx problem,And I don't know how to set the default IM in to X Input Method. :-( |
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| 02:39.36 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: just configure it to use a smarthost |
| 02:39.42 | xinming | It will use uim all the time. :'( |
| 02:39.48 | mickeyks | hm |
| 02:40.12 | mwilson | I'm experimenting with running dovecot on the gateway, but haven't gotten all that far. I just ssh into it now. I like mutt. :) |
| 02:40.20 | xinming | gb2312: That works fine in 3 hours ago.I really don't know what happened or where I have changed, |
| 02:40.28 | mickeyks | problem is, the nullmailer config didn't ask me for username and password for smtp. and my smtp server requires authentication |
| 02:40.31 | dan2 | mwilson: dovecot was the best I ever had |
| 02:40.37 | gb2312 | xinming: did you upgrade x? |
| 02:40.45 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: You would think so, but... :) |
| 02:40.45 | gb2312 | xinming: i had some x problem also |
| 02:40.52 | xinming | gb2312: i am using testing. |
| 02:40.56 | dhoyo | If anybody can I help me can open me a private chat |
| 02:40.57 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Verizon is, ah, _interesting_. |
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| 02:41.04 | gb2312 | xinming: i'm using unstable |
| 02:41.07 | mwilson | dan2: I like it, it's just time, when what I do now works. Never enough hours in the day. |
| 02:41.08 | xinming | gb2312: the system working fine except the setting. |
| 02:41.17 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: I've seen a dozen guides on the net, all with different advice on the setup, and none that seem to work. |
| 02:41.34 | WebWIz | is there any way to make the nautilus desktop icons smaller? |
| 02:41.37 | LSorensen | JoshTriplett: ah, well that could be. |
| 02:41.38 | gb2312 | xinming: have you ever tried changing env? |
| 02:41.39 | WebWIz | they seem so big on the screen |
| 02:41.39 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Mozilla sends and recieves mail directly just fine, though. |
| 02:41.45 | stianj | is it only me that has a broken xinerama setup after tonights update? |
| 02:41.46 | LSorensen | WebWIz: increase resolution? |
| 02:42.00 | xinming | gb2312: I tried,it seems not mentioned that |
| 02:42.00 | kremlyn | http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php?id=1306281842&eid=-255 <-- Google sysadmin preaches debian for software management |
| 02:42.06 | mwilson | stianj: I don't suppose you could be just a little more vague? |
| 02:42.08 | mickeyks | mwilson: is ssmtp easy to configure for smtp authentication? |
| 02:42.12 | dhoyo | Nobody help me with my problem??? |
| 02:42.13 | JoshTriplett | WebWIz: /msg dpkg dpi . That may also affect your icon size in GNOME, since they are all SVG. |
| 02:42.20 | gb2312 | xinming: try XMODIFiERS="@im=fcitx" |
| 02:42.24 | xinming | gb2312: I relogin and restarted system for serval times. |
| 02:42.30 | xinming | gb2312: that is it. |
| 02:42.36 | xinming | gb2312: that's what I got |
| 02:42.43 | xinming | gb2312: in .gnomerc |
| 02:42.44 | JoshTriplett | dhoyo: Vaya a #debian-es para ayuda in espanol. |
| 02:42.51 | ParaSiteX | JoshTriplett: everything worked out fine with thighVNC. it's very fast!! |
| 02:42.52 | Nurbs_ | dhoyo: knoppix is off-topic |
| 02:42.52 | mwilson | mickeyks: I'm not sure it can. |
| 02:43.01 | xinming | gb2312: et kh yygy kc... :-) |
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| 02:43.33 | dhoyo | I'm sorry |
| 02:43.41 | gb2312 | xinming: can you verify XMODIFIERS, LANG, LC_TYPE from gnome-terminal? |
| 02:43.52 | xinming | gb2312: go flood |
| 02:43.56 | dli | how to set DocumentRoot for apache2? seems to be a question now |
| 02:44.01 | mwilson | You know, I was going to write something for this idiot on d-u that's pontificating about how screwed up shell initialization is, when it's plain every time he opens his mouth that he has no idea how it works, but I can't muster the energy. He's just gonna have to be clueless. |
| 02:44.18 | dli | couldn't find out in its manual or sample .confs, how come? |
| 02:44.18 | xinming | gb2312: join #flood plz |
| 02:44.29 | mwilson | I can't find the energy to care whether he ever figures out what he's doing wrong. |
| 02:44.33 | jaxxan | ya'll heard about that kernel flaw that allows a 20 line c code to crash 2.4 and 2.6 yes? |
| 02:44.33 | kairo | on the apache2 (testing/sarge) I use the libapache-mod-ssl from the apache1? |
| 02:44.45 | JoshTriplett | jaxxan: Yes, see topic. |
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| 02:44.49 | mwilson | jaxxan: Excedingly old news. Your point? |
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| 02:45.02 | jaxxan | can i try it on my laptop? |
| 02:45.19 | mwilson | jaxxan: Why should anyone here care what you do to your laptop? |
| 02:45.31 | jaxxan | where can i see the code ? |
| 02:45.34 | JoshTriplett | jaxxan: You can do anything you like, but use sync first. |
| 02:45.36 | gb2312 | xinming: try chaning LANG to zh_CN.GBK |
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| 02:45.40 | JoshTriplett | jaxxan: Again, see topic. |
| 02:45.50 | JoshTriplett | !topicsmite jaxxan |
| 02:45.50 | dondelelcaro | oh, beautifully microarray in the sky: http://archimedes.ucr.edu/ma/chaim_data/raw_affy_data/C590-A-MOE430A-01-1(4-1).png |
| 02:45.50 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon jaxxan. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 02:45.56 | mickeyks | mwilson: er, so if ssmtp and nullmailer can't do authenticated smtp, and my smtp server requires it, am i screwed? maybe i can send outgoing through a different smtp |
| 02:46.12 | mwilson | jaxxan: So, you're here to save us all, but you haven't even bothered to read the advisory? |
| 02:46.27 | mwilson | mickeyks: I didn't say ssmtp couldn't, I said I didn't know. |
| 02:46.57 | mickeyks | mwilson: i know. but i'm anticipating it not being able to. it looks like nullmailer can't. |
| 02:46.57 | xinming | gb2312: not the problem with LANG, the fcitx can invoked while you set Input method to X Input Method,But will failed after you close that,you have to set it again then that works again |
| 02:47.01 | kairo | I can't find de libapache2-mod-ssl. :/ |
| 02:47.09 | mwilson | mickeyks: There's really no big deal with just running exim, if you need what it does. |
| 02:47.19 | Nurbs_ | mickeyks: esmtp can |
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| 02:47.47 | mwilson | Is esmtp still being developed? I'd forgotten about that one. |
| 02:47.54 | xinming | you can have a example for using gnome-terminal |
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| 02:48.26 | xinming | open a terminal,then set it to other input method, then Ctrl+<spc> |
| 02:48.28 | gb2312 | xinming: i always run things from english env |
| 02:48.30 | Lafitte- | if i remove ntpdate, will it effect anything ? |
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| 02:48.37 | sgeigerbot | jaxxan: " Check your own system yourself if you are wondering if this affects you. Better safe than sorry. Assume it will crash, sync (even unmount) your file systems before testing. If your system is a production server with 1000 on line users then do not test this code on that box." -- http://linuxreviews.org/news/2004-06-11_kernel_crash/index.html#toc1 |
| 02:48.42 | gb2312 | xinming: let me try it |
| 02:48.50 | Nurbs_ | mickeyks: oh, and ssmtp does, too |
| 02:48.56 | Nurbs_ | mwilson: dunno, I use ssmtp |
| 02:49.01 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: what is that? a sky shot? |
| 02:49.09 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: no, a gene microarray |
| 02:49.16 | xinming | gb2312: you can't invoke the IM cause you set that into other IM but not fcitx, |
| 02:49.17 | simonrvn | oh ok |
| 02:49.19 | ParaSiteX | how to install .deb-files ? |
| 02:49.26 | simonrvn | ParaSiteX: man dpkg |
| 02:49.36 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: a few mice and a couple thousand dollars went into that photo |
| 02:49.38 | gb2312 | xinming: what's the other im? |
| 02:49.44 | cafuego | helix: About those CDs, it looks like I'll have 5 hours to kill at LAX next friday. |
| 02:49.45 | ParaSiteX | simonrvn k |
| 02:49.47 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: wow |
| 02:50.15 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: If you mean a Debian package in the .deb format, dpkg -i file.deb . If you mean a Debian package in general, use apt-get or another frontend such as aptitude. |
| 02:50.17 | xinming | gb2312: But while you set IM to fcitx back,It will be ok ,And I have to do the opposite operation for make it working |
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| 02:50.24 | xinming | gb2312: do you understand now? ;-) |
| 02:50.25 | dli | gb2312: if fcitx fails, try Chinput |
| 02:50.40 | Nurbs_ | mickeyks: at least with ssmtp you'd have to specify the smtp auth information on the command line always, though (or write a small wrapper) |
| 02:50.40 | xinming | gb2312: uim-xxxxx |
| 02:50.45 | xinming | gb2312: many |
| 02:50.47 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: I finally got the data to come out of the POS that is affymetrix' gene microarray software... and that's the wonderfull png goodness that comes otu. |
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| 02:51.49 | gb2312 | xinming: i don't have uim installed |
| 02:52.00 | gb2312 | xinming: maybe you should try remove it first |
| 02:52.04 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: The other thing is that I would rather not have an email server running all the time; I would rather have something that only gets invoked when /sbin/sendmail is run. |
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| 02:52.14 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Can exim4 do that? |
| 02:52.22 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: So you tell exim not to listen. |
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| 02:52.43 | jaxxan | thanks |
| 02:52.55 | xinming | gb2312: But the problem is,If you got the problem ,you may try to fix it,and this small problem seems to be easy. ;-) |
| 02:53.11 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: What do you mean? Does that just keep it from listening on port 25, or actually stop the daemon from running unless /sbin/sendmail is invoked? |
| 02:53.43 | gb2312 | xinming: uim probably got set to be the default input method somehow |
| 02:54.07 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Also, I would rather not keep things in a local queue, just reject them if they can't immediately be sent on to my ISPs mail server. |
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| 02:54.22 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: exim3 by default does not run in daemon mode. It runs under control of inetd, so all I had to do was take the inetd entry out. I imagine exim4 can do the same. |
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| 02:54.43 | xinming | gb2312: that's why I think,It's easy to figure it out if we try,But I have been searching for it almost 2 hours |
| 02:55.02 | dli | xinming: searching for what? |
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| 02:55.17 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: If you want to handle local mail, you're going to have to provide some mechanism for it to be delivered locally. |
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| 02:55.47 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: It also, by default, runs every 20 minutes from cron to run the queue. I would rather it have no queue, and immediately do delivery when invoked as /sbin/sendmail, rejecting it if that delivery fails. |
| 02:56.00 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: That doesn't mean I need a local queue. |
| 02:56.29 | xinming | dli: how to change the default IM for X(maybe for Gnome). |
| 02:56.42 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: I could just have things dropped in a mailbox, where Mozilla can read them. (If I can find the info about making Mozilla read an mbox.) |
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| 02:56.57 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: exim only queues if it can't immediately deliver. I imagine that's configurable... I want it to queue, so I've never gotten into the depths of it. |
| 02:57.31 | dli | xinming: oh, I believe you can set the language for GNOME, and start your favorite IM yourself. |
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| 02:57.38 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: OK. So there might be some way to tell exim to immediately reject mail if it can't immediately deliver, and then remove both the cron job and the daemon? |
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| 02:59.11 | xinming | dli: But Now I don't know how to change it. ;-) It works with the way which Id on't like, :( |
| 02:59.55 | dli | xinming: remove the one you don't like, and install another |
| 03:00.29 | dli | xinming: say, you don't like fcitx, you do "apt-get --purge remove fcitx" |
| 03:00.37 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: you use sendmail? |
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| 03:00.47 | xinming | dli: But I wanna know the low level of editing configuration file. |
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| 03:01.03 | gb2312 | xinming: have you checked file /etc/gtk-2.0/gtk.immodules? |
| 03:01.21 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: No. But all MTAs are supposed to provide /sbin/sendmail, as a quasi-standard interface for sending mail. |
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| 03:01.30 | Nurbs_ | damn, sometimes I'd like to compile shell scripts to executables. |
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| 03:01.46 | Nurbs_ | JoshTriplett: certainly not |
| 03:01.53 | mickeyks | oh ok |
| 03:02.01 | Nurbs_ | JoshTriplett: /usr/sbin/sendmail and possibly /usr/lib/sendmail, too |
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| 03:02.15 | JoshTriplett | Nurbs_: Ah, OK. Didn't remember correctly. |
| 03:02.18 | Nurbs | :) |
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| 03:02.36 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Not so. |
| 03:02.47 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Not in /sbin, anyway. |
| 03:02.53 | mickeyks | Nurbs: there's really no way to set up smtp auth in a config file for ssmpt? |
| 03:02.58 | mickeyks | ssmtp rather |
| 03:03.02 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Yes, Nurbs just pointed that out. :) |
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| 03:03.23 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: I think you mean /usr/lib... that's where sendmail keeps its binary. |
| 03:03.29 | Nurbs | mickeyks: you can use a small wrapper, which is of course world-readable if written as a shell-script |
| 03:03.33 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Oh, btw... http://www.mozilla.org/mailnews/movemail/ |
| 03:03.38 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Or /usr/sbin |
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| 03:03.44 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Yes, I just found that. |
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| 03:04.02 | xinming | gb2312: no,hold on plz |
| 03:04.16 | Nurbs | mickeyks: it could also read the info from the user's environment... |
| 03:04.20 | mickeyks | Nurbs: it seems odd that there isn't a ssmtp/nullmailer type thing that has auth built in |
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| 03:04.37 | gzhzhx | hi |
| 03:04.39 | Nurbs | mickeyks: it seems odd that you seem to ignore that ssmtp and esmtp have :) |
| 03:04.42 | mwilson | Didn't Nurbs just say that ssmtp could do it? |
| 03:04.50 | steve_ | is there a way to make it so when you do "users" it doesnt show like 8 of the same user because they are using terms in x11? |
| 03:04.51 | gzhzhx | is there any non-american microprocessors? |
| 03:04.53 | mdg | Just installed sarge and kde 3.2. The fonts are huge and distracting. Changing them in kde seems to not affect the apps. Does anyone know where to change this? |
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| 03:05.11 | mickeyks | Nurbs: you're telling me that ssmtp doesn't though |
| 03:05.21 | mwilson | steve_: Sure. Tell whatever terminal you use not to create utmp entries. |
| 03:05.22 | Nurbs | mickeyks: I'm not. |
| 03:05.23 | mickeyks | i thought he said it can do it but you have to write a wrapper |
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| 03:05.39 | Nurbs | mickeyks: if you don't want to add it to the command line each time, yes |
| 03:05.45 | JoshTriplett | steve_: users | xargs -n 1 | sort -u |
| 03:06.06 | JoshTriplett | mdg: /msg dpkg dpi . |
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| 03:06.25 | mickeyks | Nurbs: ok...all i'm saying is that the user should just be able to fill it in during the config, or stick it into a config file. but i admit i can't write a patch. |
| 03:06.40 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: you use mozilla, right? what about firefox 0.9? do you like it? |
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| 03:07.44 | mdg | thanks JoshTriplett...that's just what I was looking for. |
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| 03:08.13 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: I've tried 0.8, and I like some things, but not others. |
| 03:08.17 | ParaSiteX | i am getting an error installing fluxboc. Can anyone hlep: psinux:/usr/src/fluxbox# ./autogen.sh |
| 03:08.17 | ParaSiteX | Executing: aclocal -I . |
| 03:08.17 | ParaSiteX | ./autogen.sh: line 7: aclocal: command not found |
| 03:08.17 | ParaSiteX | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.17 | ParaSiteX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:08.41 | gb2312 | anyone having alt-tab problem after upgrading sid? |
| 03:08.50 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: From topic: paste in #flood NOT here. |
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| 03:09.02 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: do try 0.9 it has many new features and improvements (i've also tried 0.8 and didn't like it much) |
| 03:09.04 | ParaSiteX | (should have pasted only 3 lines sorry) |
| 03:09.14 | xinming | gb2312: don't know where to edit. :-( |
| 03:09.15 | gb2312 | alt-esc also has problem releasing focus... |
| 03:09.15 | Lafitte- | ParaSiteX, is that script there |
| 03:09.21 | ParaSiteX | yes of course |
| 03:09.27 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: For example, I don't like that they removed the search from the address bar, in favor of a separate search bar. |
| 03:09.55 | gb2312 | xinming: i have a line about xim, check whether you have a line for uim |
| 03:10.00 | Lafitte- | ParaSiteX, i just installed fluxbox |
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| 03:10.06 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: yeah, but there is an extension with the old functionality :) |
| 03:10.08 | Lafitte- | kinda ugly desktop |
| 03:10.26 | ParaSiteX | Lafitte- i used the cvs-version... how did you isntalled it? |
| 03:10.36 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Really? Can you give me the URL? I was looking for something like that. |
| 03:10.38 | vladkao | Lafitte-: fluxbox is not really a desktop |
| 03:10.41 | Lafitte- | apt-get install fluxbox |
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| 03:10.46 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: just a sec :) |
| 03:10.48 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Bonus points if it allows multiple search engines. |
| 03:10.53 | Lafitte- | it is under desktops when i search apt |
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| 03:10.59 | sharth | Should things like fluxbox and openbox and what not have a menu option in gdm? |
| 03:11.00 | ParaSiteX | hehe ok. that easy ;) |
| 03:11.09 | Lafitte- | winodwsmanagers doesnt give results |
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| 03:11.33 | Lafitte- | ParaSiteX, i suggest blackbox over fluxbox |
| 03:11.42 | ParaSiteX | i'll check that out |
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| 03:11.48 | xinming | gb2312: Yeap, |
| 03:11.48 | Lafitte- | ive got 5 installed and black box looks the best so far |
| 03:12.04 | Lafitte- | fvwm fvwm-shell blackbox fluxbox |
| 03:12.14 | Lafitte- | im going to look at enlightenment |
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| 03:12.41 | Lafitte- | ParaSiteX, you have a debian install ? |
| 03:12.50 | ParaSiteX | Lafitte-: where did you configured X to load that blackbox? |
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| 03:13.00 | ParaSiteX | i got it with apt-get now |
| 03:13.05 | Lafitte- | ParaSiteX, ok |
| 03:13.09 | ParaSiteX | using sarge |
| 03:13.20 | Lafitte- | try startx |
| 03:13.24 | Lafitte- | see what you get first |
| 03:13.42 | Lafitte- | if you only have blackbox it should load |
| 03:13.43 | ParaSiteX | i'm getting that ugly default xwindow |
| 03:14.01 | Lafitte- | only the x window |
| 03:14.08 | xinming | gb2312: what do you think I have to edit? |
| 03:14.08 | ParaSiteX | witht that cross and the gray-black background |
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| 03:14.16 | Lafitte- | awww |
| 03:14.19 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: echo 'exec blackbox' >> ~/.xsession . |
| 03:14.29 | Lafitte- | yeah |
| 03:14.32 | Lafitte- | thatds where |
| 03:14.33 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: Er, s/>>/>/ |
| 03:14.46 | ParaSiteX | no such file there |
| 03:14.52 | Lafitte- | .Xsession just type the word blackbox |
| 03:14.58 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: Yes, create it, with that command. |
| 03:14.58 | Lafitte- | you need to find it |
| 03:15.03 | Lafitte- | yeah |
| 03:15.09 | Lafitte- | i had to create it once |
| 03:15.19 | gb2312 | xinming: i guess the final country codes will say for which language this im will be used |
| 03:15.22 | xerophyte | xargs: /usr/local/apache2/logs/logparse: terminated by signal 11 does anybody knwo do i get that error .. i mean i am giving files as argumen to logparse? |
| 03:15.25 | ParaSiteX | k not found on my system |
| 03:15.30 | Lafitte- | JoshTriplett, mine just loaded this last install hehe |
| 03:15.33 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX, Lafitte-: Both .xsession and .Xsession work. |
| 03:15.33 | gb2312 | xinming: you might want to delete zh from the uim entry |
| 03:15.35 | ParaSiteX | i'l create on in my ~/ then |
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| 03:15.50 | Lafitte- | JoshTriplett, ty im learning :) |
| 03:16.00 | steve_ | how do i disable wall for normal users? |
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| 03:16.13 | Nurbs | mickeyks: dpkg-divert --add /usr/sbin/sendmail --rename; (echo '#'\!/bin/sh; echo '/usr/sbin/sendmail.distrib -au$SMTP_USER -ap$SMTP_PASSWORD -amCRAM-MD5 "$@"') > /usr/sbin/sendmail; chmod +x /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 03:16.16 | JoshTriplett | steve_: mesg n for each user. |
| 03:16.33 | sharth | would it be appropriate to send bugs to quite a few window managers for not incluing .desktop files to allow them to show up in gdm's menu. (and kdm's if kdm didn't provide the file...) |
| 03:16.36 | Nurbs | mickeyks: I guess that should do... untested :) |
| 03:16.40 | xinming | gb2312: bbl.hold on |
| 03:16.42 | JoshTriplett | steve_: Then only root can write or wall. |
| 03:16.57 | Nurbs | escaping #!/bin/sh is awful |
| 03:17.04 | Lafitte- | JoshTriplett, so what directory does that need to be in ? |
| 03:17.04 | mickeyks | Nurbs: thanks for putting in the effort but i'm not sure i want to test that |
| 03:17.11 | Nurbs | mickeyks: hehe |
| 03:17.23 | JoshTriplett | sharth: Yes, but as with any mass-filing, be absolutely sure, and check on debian-devel first. (In that order, unless you want to look silly.) |
| 03:17.30 | ParaSiteX | i made a .xsession in my ~/ now and pasted "exec blackbox" to it. When connecting with thighvnc i'm still getting the standard x window |
| 03:17.32 | Nurbs | mickeyks: why? :) |
| 03:17.36 | Nurbs | mickeyks: going for exim? |
| 03:17.38 | JoshTriplett | Lafitte-: .xsession ? In your home directory. |
| 03:17.47 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: Ah. VNC is different. |
| 03:17.47 | Lafitte- | kewl thanks |
| 03:17.55 | ParaSiteX | oh :-/ so? |
| 03:17.57 | sharth | JoshTriplett: okies. thanks :) |
| 03:18.07 | mickeyks | Nurbs: esmtp can do auth, according to apt-cache show. so i'll probably try that |
| 03:18.08 | Lafitte- | dont need exec either |
| 03:18.16 | Lafitte- | just blackbox |
| 03:18.17 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: One moment. |
| 03:18.20 | Nurbs | mickeyks: ssmtp can, too, heh |
| 03:18.23 | ParaSiteX | JoshTriplett ok |
| 03:18.37 | mickeyks | Nurbs: i'm sure it can make your coffee if you add enough code |
| 03:18.41 | mickeyks | :) |
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| 03:18.47 | Nurbs | mickeyks: one doesn't need to add any code |
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| 03:19.07 | mickeyks | Nurbs: i don't know how to write shell scripts |
| 03:19.30 | Lafitte- | ParaSiteX, mine i sin /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 03:19.54 | Nurbs | mickeyks: you don't need to. and the above is only for allowing it to read it the auth info from shell variables instead of passing it on the command line :) |
| 03:20.11 | z|bandito | http://www.sejus.com/earth2willi/forums/index.php |
| 03:20.19 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: OK, no, it isn't . That should work. (On some systems, VNC runs a different startup script, in case you want a less busy desktop.) |
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| 03:20.40 | JoshTriplett | ParaSiteX: On Debian, VNC servers run the standard X session scripts, which should run ~/.xsession . |
| 03:20.41 | ParaSiteX | i put blackbox in my .xsession now |
| 03:20.48 | mwilson | I just have vnc spawn an xdm. |
| 03:21.12 | mickeyks | Nurbs: sounds good, but too hard to debug if it doesn't work (for me) |
| 03:21.16 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Using XDMCP? |
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| 03:22.08 | Acid`X | hi, does anyone know how can i see what driver is using my network card? its currently runing, but i dont know wich driver is using.. |
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| 03:22.22 | Nurbs | mickeyks: heh, ok. well, esmtp seems to store the info in the esmtprc file. might be a tad easier, except that users can't modify it themselves |
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| 03:22.54 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: BTW, according to the movemail site, the UI for adding a movemail account was merged into Mozilla 1.6, but it doesn't seem to be present here. |
| 03:22.57 | mickeyks | Nurbs: well i assumet that you get to set it during some sort of config session |
| 03:23.01 | ParaSiteX | well that's weird: Still getting this awful x window.. doesn`t look like blackbox. did i missed something somewhere? |
| 03:23.13 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: (I can do it manually, but I just wanted to check.) |
| 03:23.25 | Nurbs | mickeyks: uhm, dunno. the config is trivial |
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| 03:23.40 | JoshTriplett | Acid`X: Check dmesg, and/or lsmod. |
| 03:23.45 | LinCity | someone could explain why when I try to execute a indirect referenc inside a shell script it return Bad Substitution, but when I do the same in interactive shell, it works flawlessly? a=name;name=debian;echo ${!a} # returns debian ( in interactivge shell ). My shebang line is #!/bin/bash. Someone could help me? |
| 03:23.49 | Nurbs | can't remember why I chose ssmtp over esmtp, I think there was some reason *methinks* |
| 03:24.21 | Lafitte- | can you get a terminal in that ugly screen ? |
| 03:24.33 | Nurbs | mickeyks: don't forget installing esmtp-run, too |
| 03:24.35 | Lafitte- | any menu or ?? |
| 03:24.40 | Lafitte- | ParaSiteX, |
| 03:24.41 | ParaSiteX | no but i can see the menu |
| 03:24.58 | Lafitte- | see if there is xterm or anything like that |
| 03:25.03 | ParaSiteX | yeah |
| 03:25.07 | Lafitte- | ok open it |
| 03:25.10 | ParaSiteX | but it doesn*t open when i click on it |
| 03:25.20 | Lafitte- | oh |
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| 03:26.42 | Lafitte- | if you can get a terminal open in x |
| 03:26.51 | Lafitte- | can try to run blackbox |
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| 03:27.15 | ParaSiteX | hm |
| 03:27.20 | ParaSiteX | i can't get any terminal :-/ |
| 03:27.47 | Lafitte- | ok well close the x |
| 03:28.00 | ParaSiteX | k |
| 03:28.05 | Lafitte- | he said .xsession should be in your home dir |
| 03:28.10 | Lafitte- | so |
| 03:28.17 | jmacs | hi, i want to install some programs that aren't even in debian unstable, but I want to do things the debian way, so i was wondering if anyone had some pointers on building my own debian packages? |
| 03:28.22 | Lafitte- | do you know how to use vi |
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| 03:28.44 | ParaSiteX | Lafitte- it is in the home directory. i put it in ~/ |
| 03:28.49 | JoshTriplett | jmacs: Read the Debian policy manual, and read the source of various Debian packages. |
| 03:28.51 | ParaSiteX | i always use vi |
| 03:28.56 | JoshTriplett | jmacs: What do you want to install. |
| 03:29.00 | JoshTriplett | s/./?/ |
| 03:29.05 | Lafitte- | vi .xsession |
| 03:29.18 | Lafitte- | top line should have blackbox |
| 03:29.28 | ParaSiteX | yop is there |
| 03:29.28 | Lafitte- | only thing you need in there to make it load |
| 03:29.28 | lii | jmacs: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide |
| 03:29.33 | Lafitte- | not exec |
| 03:29.38 | JoshTriplett | Lafitte-, ParaSiteX: Top line should have "exec blackbox". |
| 03:29.38 | Lafitte- | just blackbox |
| 03:29.48 | ParaSiteX | i tried both ;) |
| 03:29.58 | Lafitte- | JoshTriplett, i didnt need the word exec |
| 03:30.07 | Lafitte- | but you know more im sure about it |
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| 03:30.12 | jmacs | JoshTriplett: well, i'm a little crazy so I wanted to make a package out of fd.o's xserver (not xorg) |
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| 03:30.41 | deving | Question: When downloading debian using the tool 'jigdo', are you supposed to download all the *.jigdo files <e.g. sarge-i386-{1,2,3...}.jigdo>? |
| 03:30.42 | JoshTriplett | Lafitte-: Ah, ok, as long as you don't put the & at the end. exec just saves a little memory, then. |
| 03:30.51 | ferret | "exec blackbox" will run faster or something? There's a good reason for having exec there. |
| 03:31.06 | Lafitte- | JoshTriplett, kewl i dontknow that so thanks :) |
| 03:31.07 | JoshTriplett | jmacs: You mean Kdrive? |
| 03:31.17 | Lafitte- | JoshTriplett, always learning |
| 03:31.19 | ParaSiteX | guys: i restarted the box, and now it's working |
| 03:31.20 | jmacs | JoshTriplett yeah |
| 03:31.26 | Lafitte- | JoshTriplett, i remember having it in different dir |
| 03:31.28 | JoshTriplett | Lafitte-: "exec" means "replace the running program with this program". |
| 03:31.30 | ParaSiteX | could i do it faster then rebooting? |
| 03:31.40 | Lafitte- | JoshTriplett, aww |
| 03:31.42 | JoshTriplett | Lafitte-: So the shell running .xsession doesn't stick around. |
| 03:31.51 | Lafitte- | JoshTriplett, oh ok |
| 03:32.01 | ParaSiteX | btw: i can open all windows i want. and it's very fast !! just like on my own desktop |
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| 03:32.05 | deving | Question: When downloading debian using the tool 'jigdo', are you supposed to download all the *.jigdo files <e.g. sarge-i386-{1,2,3...}.jigdo>? |
| 03:32.05 | Lafitte- | he doesnt have a shell i htink |
| 03:32.19 | JoshTriplett | jmacs: ISTR that there were packages around for that somewhere. |
| 03:32.33 | jmacs | JoshTriplett: ISTR? |
| 03:32.37 | JoshTriplett | deving: Only the ones for the CD images you want to download. |
| 03:32.42 | JoshTriplett | jmacs: I seem to recall. |
| 03:32.52 | jmacs | ah ok |
| 03:33.06 | jmacs | JoshTriplett: i found very little information about it online |
| 03:33.11 | Lafitte- | ParaSiteX, you there ? |
| 03:33.17 | ParaSiteX | yeah? |
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| 03:33.31 | Lafitte- | did you put the quotes ?? |
| 03:33.32 | deving | jmacs: Sorry for my lack of not knowing, but how would 'I' know which images I want/need? |
| 03:33.34 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: ok, found it (i think) but there's a catch ;) it acts like you pressed the (google's) button "I feel lucky" |
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| 03:33.48 | deving | lack of knowing* |
| 03:33.54 | jmacs | deving: ? |
| 03:33.58 | JoshTriplett | deving: s/jmacs/JoshTriplett/ |
| 03:34.09 | runa | hellow :) If I don't remember wrong, lilo had some options to test a new kernel remotelly (reboot the machine with other kernel if the default one hangs, or something like that) but I can't find them now. Anyone? |
| 03:34.10 | jmacs | heh |
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| 03:34.26 | Lafitte- | ParaSiteX, you can put the word blackbox at the end of ~/.initrc and load it from there |
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| 03:34.29 | jmacs | for debian all you really need is disc 1 iirc |
| 03:34.31 | JoshTriplett | deving: Just the first one, to do an installation. More, if you have no way of getting packages off the net once you install. |
| 03:34.33 | jmacs | and do a netinstall |
| 03:34.43 | JoshTriplett | deving: 0, if you install from 2 floppies. |
| 03:35.02 | ParaSiteX | Lafitte- good to know :) |
| 03:35.02 | deving | jmacs: So the first image is all I 'really' need? |
| 03:35.10 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: That's a start. What's the URL? |
| 03:35.12 | deving | jmacs: And from there I do a net install? |
| 03:35.12 | jmacs | deving: yes |
| 03:35.14 | JoshTriplett | deving: Yes. |
| 03:35.29 | jmacs | deving: what kind of net conneciton do you have? |
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| 03:35.48 | deving | JoshTriplett/jmacs: Cable; Ok, thanks. I haven't done this in a while. |
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| 03:35.53 | jmacs | yeah |
| 03:36.05 | jmacs | deving: are you going to run stable/testing/unstable? |
| 03:36.12 | deving | jmacs: testing |
| 03:36.12 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/petite |
| 03:36.14 | JoshTriplett | deving: Then you should have no problem getting packages from the net. |
| 03:36.16 | Lafitte- | ParaSiteX, man blackbox look under starting and exiting blackbox, read first paragraph |
| 03:36.25 | gadfly | hello to all, i was wondering if anyone in here has played around with deb ppc |
| 03:36.31 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: you'll be amazed at the number of the extensions |
| 03:36.41 | jmacs | deving: what i did was d/l the test release candidate 1 netinstall of sarge |
| 03:36.51 | jmacs | it has the new debian-installer on it |
| 03:36.52 | JoshTriplett | jmacs: Sorry, can't find anything about KDrive in Debian more recent than 2002. |
| 03:36.56 | ParaSiteX | Lafitte- i`ll write it down and do it later. thank you =) |
| 03:37.00 | jmacs | JoshTriplett: that's ok |
| 03:37.02 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: I know, I just couldn't find one with that feature. |
| 03:37.06 | xinming | dli: If you encounter the problem same as I,you can edit /etc/gtk/gtk.immodules file,then work it out. ;-) |
| 03:37.16 | xinming | g2g,will be back in a while |
| 03:37.21 | xinming | bye all |
| 03:37.22 | Lafitte- | ParaSiteX, oh you gave up already k he e |
| 03:37.24 | JoshTriplett | gadfly: A tiny bit, why? |
| 03:37.25 | jmacs | deving: i did a net install 2 days ago and it went smoothly |
| 03:37.37 | ParaSiteX | no no, having some other trouble right now ;) |
| 03:37.53 | deving | jmacs: I'm currently downloading sarge-i386-1.jigdo from the Berkeley mirror. I don't know which candidate release it is, however. |
| 03:37.55 | jmacs | JoshTriplett: i have heard rumor that the kdrive stuff is going to be merged into the xorg tree for a later release |
| 03:38.04 | deving | jmacs: Most likely the most recent one. |
| 03:38.25 | ParaSiteX | i wanted to kill a server at Display :1 but the pid of that Display is no more avaible... now i need to kill it manually and can't figure out how. the process doesn't show up on ps ax |
| 03:38.40 | JoshTriplett | jmacs: Actually, I think kdrive is more a playground for new features, that then get added to xorg. |
| 03:38.49 | jmacs | JoshTriplett: yeah |
| 03:39.12 | jmacs | and i wanted to play w/the stuff so i've been on a search for info on it |
| 03:39.12 | lii | ParaSiteX: Try "netstat -pan | grep X11-unix". |
| 03:39.16 | gadfly | JoshTriple, well i just purchased an ibook g4 800 and after doing some research i found that debian would be the best distro to go with as far as ppc is concerned. It's just that my pc is running slackware and i have yet to use debian. |
| 03:39.22 | jmacs | deving: i d/led the iso from here which candidate release it is, however. |
| 03:39.22 | jmacs | <jmacs> JoshTriplett: i have heard rumor that the kdrive stuff is going to be merged into the xorg tree for a later release |
| 03:39.22 | jmacs | <deving> jmacs: Most likely the most recent one. |
| 03:39.22 | jmacs | <ParaSiteX> i wanted to kill a server at Display :1 but the pid of that Display is no more avaible... now i need to kill it manually and can't figure out how. the process doesn't show up on ps ax |
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| 03:39.39 | jmacs | i am sooo sory |
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| 03:39.55 | JoshTriplett | gadfly: Check out people.debian.org/~branden for a guide. |
| 03:40.06 | ParaSiteX | lii: that's it. thank you |
| 03:40.09 | gadfly | thanks |
| 03:40.11 | mwilson | gadfly: Why would you buy an iBook to put Linux on? |
| 03:40.14 | jmacs | deving: i d/led the iso from here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 03:40.19 | JoshTriplett | gadfly: And yes, Debian is one of the best distributions for any architecture other than i386. |
| 03:40.19 | deving | jmacs: when i do a net install for the testing release, should i change the sources list? |
| 03:40.23 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: I would. |
| 03:40.40 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Since I only run Debian, I am hardware-agnostic. |
| 03:40.42 | deving | jmacs: i remember doing that before when i first installed debian a long time ago, however, i wouldn't know what to do anymore |
| 03:40.49 | deving | jmacs: it's been a while :o |
| 03:40.52 | jmacs | deving: what i did was a very basic install |
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| 03:41.00 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: So if a PowerPC fit my criteria best, that's what I would use. |
| 03:41.00 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: I wouldn't... it'd be a waste. I own three Macs... to run MacOS on. |
| 03:41.01 | runa | ~/quit |
| 03:41.02 | apt | ACTION has signed off IRC (NULL), or <action> /quit #kde... hmm doesn't work... |
| 03:41.06 | jmacs | and then edited sources.list to go to unstable |
| 03:41.16 | jmacs | and then installed whatever packages i needed |
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| 03:41.27 | gadfly | mwilson, well OSX is heavy and sluggish, and as far as mac progs are concerned there is MOL (Moc on Linux) which will let me run the OSX progs i need. |
| 03:41.41 | gaimer | what are some typical jobs for a computer engineer |
| 03:41.43 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Eh, MacOS, Windows, all proprietary. I took enough time getting off of Windows; I'm not getting involved with another proprietary system. |
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| 03:41.50 | JoshTriplett | gadfly: There is that, too. |
| 03:42.25 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: I don't have the religious hatred you do, I suppose. |
| 03:42.39 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: I wouldn't call it "religious". |
| 03:42.46 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: I would. |
| 03:43.07 | jmacs | mwilson: more like philosophical ideal |
| 03:43.24 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Would you say that anyone who takes freedom into consideration when choosing a system has a "religious hatred" of proprietary software? |
| 03:43.25 | spic | can anyone pull up the alsa site? |
| 03:43.38 | JoshTriplett | jmacs: _*Exactly*_. |
| 03:44.05 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: I don't _hate_ it, I just don't use it. |
| 03:44.09 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Whether it's "free" or not matters little to me when compared to whether it does the job I want it to do. |
| 03:44.17 | JoshTriplett | See you all later. |
| 03:44.52 | jmacs | mwilson: and what job do you need done that linux doesn't handle |
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| 03:45.34 | mwilson | jmacs: Linux is an operating system. Jobs are done by applications. I asume you're a COLA inhabitant as well? |
| 03:46.05 | jmacs | mwilson: what i meant to say was what can't you get done with GNU/Linux? |
| 03:46.17 | jmacs | mwilson: COLA? |
| 03:46.29 | mwilson | jmacs: I can't get anything done with GNU/Linux. It's an operating system, not an application. |
| 03:46.41 | ParaSiteX | is there a file where i can tell debian to perform some commands at startup? |
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| 03:46.55 | jmacs | GNU is not the operating system |
| 03:47.10 | mwilson | I suppose I can have it sit there and consume electrons, but that's not terribly useful. |
| 03:47.15 | jmacs | mwilson: let's not get hung up on semantics |
| 03:47.34 | jmacs | mwilson: what apps are missing in your mind from the linux platform |
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| 03:47.42 | mwilson | jmacs: Yes, let's not. When you actually have a reasonable question to ask me, feel free to do so. |
| 03:47.55 | jmacs | ParaSiteX: yes |
| 03:48.02 | jmacs | mwilson: dude chill |
| 03:48.12 | mwilson | jmacs: You're the one continuing this, not me. |
| 03:48.13 | ParaSiteX | ah please tell me. but not these init.d things please |
| 03:48.20 | jmacs | ParaSiteX: not sure what it is ... let me check |
| 03:49.24 | vladkao | ParaSiteX: man update-rc.d |
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| 03:49.31 | ParaSiteX | hm okay |
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| 03:50.21 | lii | ParaSiteX: You can edit /etc/init.d/rcS or if it's a large script, you can put it in /etc/rc.boot/. |
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| 03:50.38 | mush | damned leading spaces |
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| 03:51.01 | jmacs | lii: you just beat me to it :) |
| 03:51.01 | trovador | i'm trying to setup alsa with a 2.6.7 kernel and a sblive (emu10k1), but when loading snd_pcm i get the following error: "modprobe snd_pcm |
| 03:51.01 | trovador | FATAL: Module snd_pcm already in kernel. |
| 03:51.02 | trovador | WARNING: Error running install command for snd_pcm |
| 03:51.05 | ParaSiteX | i just want to execute two shell-commands (bash) |
| 03:51.36 | vladkao | trovador: sure, you've compiled the module into the kernel |
| 03:51.52 | vladkao | ParaSiteX: then consider rc.local |
| 03:51.57 | ParaSiteX | k |
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| 03:52.19 | trovador | vladkao: i'm checking the config, and all alsa is as module.. |
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| 03:52.39 | xine | how would i setup sound in debian, is there an audio configurator? |
| 03:53.01 | trovador | vladkao: "CONFIG_SND_PCM=m |
| 03:53.33 | lii | xine: If you're using OSS drivers, installing "discover" should (for lots of common sound hardware anyway) load the right kernel modules for you. |
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| 03:54.15 | vladkao | trovador: recompiled? lilo? |
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| 03:54.31 | vladkao | trovador: are you sure you are running 2.6.7 now ? |
| 03:54.52 | trovador | vladkao: that's what uname -a says.. |
| 03:55.25 | steve__ | can i use stable packages for mplayer from ftp.nerim.net, while using unstable for the base system? |
| 03:55.27 | trovador | vladkao: when compiling i did make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image |
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| 03:56.39 | ParaSiteX | vladkao: what did you mean by rc.local? i can't find it anywhere :-/ |
| 03:56.42 | vladkao | i don't use make-kpkg usually |
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| 03:56.53 | vladkao | ParaSiteX: /etc/rc.d/rc.local |
| 03:57.33 | trovador | vladkao: is there a way to clean out all the modules from startup (i'm still getting errors from emu10k1 module, and that's not in /etc/modules)?? |
| 03:57.44 | ParaSiteX | i only have rc<number>.d |
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| 03:58.47 | vladkao | trovador: i don't know... |
| 03:59.00 | Henk | Any router pros out there? My router has a configuration tool that you can use by connecting to port 80. I am forwarding port 80 to my webserver. From outside people can access the website with no problem, but internal users get the router configuration. Is there a way to correct this? |
| 03:59.58 | jmacs | Henk: what router? |
| 04:00.04 | Henk | Netgear |
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| 04:00.18 | vladkao | ParaSiteX: well, use `man uptadate-rc.d` ;) |
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| 04:00.23 | Bradders | Heh all.. |
| 04:00.29 | ParaSiteX | k |
| 04:01.14 | Henk | MP314 |
| 04:01.21 | Azar | hello guys, a newbie question here: I am trying to get info by doing lspci and I get this message, (what am I doing wrong?): |
| 04:01.23 | Azar | pcilib: Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices |
| 04:01.33 | jmacs | Henk: to get to the router config you type in like 192.168.0.1? |
| 04:01.46 | Henk | mr314 rather. |
| 04:02.03 | Henk | jmacs: Yes |
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| 04:02.18 | Henk | jmacs: or you can telnet in can enter commands. |
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| 04:02.46 | CoffeeMUG | uff |
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| 04:03.50 | jmacs | accesseing <server>/index.html gives you the config page? |
| 04:04.07 | Bradders | Hmm... xmove, anyone used it? |
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| 04:04.13 | Bradders | (yes - same q again!) |
| 04:04.19 | gravity | Azar: What kernel version are you running, and does that directory exist on your system? |
| 04:04.22 | JimButton | yo |
| 04:04.33 | Henk | jmacs: Going to ipaddress:80 |
| 04:04.37 | Henk | gives you config page. |
| 04:04.37 | Azar | I am using 2.6.6-1 by now |
| 04:04.47 | jmacs | Henk: weird |
| 04:05.01 | Azar | gravity: I am preparing to install 2.6.7 and I needed devices info |
| 04:05.41 | Henk | jmacs: But from outside no problems. |
| 04:05.52 | Henk | jmacs: I was thinking about adding a static route. |
| 04:06.05 | Henk | jmacs: That would tkae the ip of the webserver and shoot it out on the net and then back. |
| 04:06.09 | Henk | jmacs: Is this possible? |
| 04:06.40 | jmacs | Henk: ooh, dunno |
| 04:06.52 | trovador | what's the program that configures modules.. (the one that has an ncurses interface)? |
| 04:06.59 | gravity | Azar: Does that directory exist on your system? |
| 04:07.10 | Azar | gravity: indeed there is no /sys directory |
| 04:07.16 | JimButton | anybody here from southern california up for keysigning/drinking or such this weekend? |
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| 04:07.27 | gravity | Azar: Well, that would be a problem. You may need to enable that as a kernel build option if you built from scratch. |
| 04:07.52 | Azar | gravity: installing pcilib? |
| 04:07.55 | Henk | JimButton: Keysigning? |
| 04:08.03 | gravity | Azar: You should have pcilib installed |
| 04:08.08 | Henk | JimButton: pgp ? |
| 04:08.10 | gravity | Azar: sysfs, I believe, is the name |
| 04:08.19 | gravity | Azar: Did you roll your own kernel, or are you running a stock Debian one? |
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| 04:08.52 | Azar | gravity: I just compiled 2.6.6 three days ago by downloading it |
| 04:08.54 | JimButton | Henk: well, i have a gpg key, but yes |
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| 04:09.40 | Azar | gravity: downloaded 2.6.6, compiled and installed with not much configuration |
| 04:09.46 | Henk | JimButton: What is your secret passphrase? |
| 04:09.48 | starseed | java is like a memory monster .. why!!! |
| 04:10.01 | jmacs | Henk: sorry i cannot help |
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| 04:10.03 | JimButton | Henk: "yo mama" |
| 04:10.14 | Henk | jmacs: I hate you. |
| 04:10.19 | Henk | jmacs: :) |
| 04:10.25 | jmacs | hehe |
| 04:10.30 | Henk | hehe |
| 04:10.34 | jmacs | try a diff port than 80? |
| 04:10.49 | Henk | jmacs: That would be too easy! :) |
| 04:10.52 | jmacs | hehe |
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| 04:10.58 | gravity | Azar: Well, I haven't rolled my own kernel since the 2.4 days, so I don't know the details. But it seems like your kernel isn't using sysfs, and you would do well to enable it if you want to use it. |
| 04:11.03 | jmacs | bye |
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| 04:11.07 | Henk | jmacs: Actually... |
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| 04:11.55 | Azar | gravity: thank you so much, is there any manual out there I can guide myself in enabling sysfs? |
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| 04:12.21 | gravity | Azar: The documents that came with the kernel source, and whatever you can google up |
| 04:12.33 | Azar | gravity: thank you :) |
| 04:12.34 | gravity | Azar: Look up info on compiling your own 2.6 kernel |
| 04:12.37 | gravity | Azar: Good luck! |
| 04:14.21 | lii | Azar: You'll need sysfsutils and a 2.6.x kernel. :) |
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| 04:15.01 | Azar | lii: thank you |
| 04:15.23 | blooe | has anyone gotten unreal tournament 2004 running? |
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| 04:17.13 | blooe | is there any reason why a microsoft usb mouse would work fine, but a aopen usb mouse is not recognized? |
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| 04:18.21 | juan | hola |
| 04:20.29 | PatoFeo | hola |
| 04:20.35 | PatoFeo | pense que todo el mundo hablaba en ingles :D |
| 04:20.43 | gravity | ~spanish |
| 04:20.44 | apt | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 04:21.05 | PatoFeo | :P |
| 04:21.10 | PatoFeo | algiuen de argentina? |
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| 04:27.09 | auxw | How long does it usually take for them to update firefox, thunderbird and mozilla in unstable? mozilla 1.7 just came out today |
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| 04:28.51 | gravity | auxw: I believe firefox is in experimental, at least as the RC version. Not sure about mozilla or thunderbird. |
| 04:29.02 | gravity | auxw: The packaging part of the equation takes time too |
| 04:29.09 | auxw | gravity: thank you |
| 04:29.22 | auxw | so if I really want to try it out, I should get the tarballs eh? |
| 04:29.38 | gravity | I guess. Or you could just wait for a bit. |
| 04:29.52 | gravity | They should show up in under a week, I'd imagine, from past experience |
| 04:30.01 | gravity | At least mozilla will. I've never tracked thunderbird carefully. |
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| 04:31.44 | gravity | And if you want firefox, just go with experimental |
| 04:32.24 | gravity | auxw: I mean, if you're testing the experimental packages, then you're helping them get to unstable faster |
| 04:33.15 | auxw | how do I get just the experimental one? |
| 04:33.21 | auxw | I am running debian unstable |
| 04:33.24 | gravity | !tell auxw about experimental |
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| 04:34.33 | auxw | " then 'Package: *', 'Pin: release a=experimental', 'Pin-Priority: 1001' in /etc/apt/preferences" |
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| 04:34.41 | auxw | So I would put Package: firefox ? |
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| 04:35.09 | gravity | No, just * |
| 04:35.27 | auxw | yeah but this wont upgrade my whole system to experimental will it? |
| 04:35.38 | auxw | I mean how do I specify just firefox from the experimental branch? |
| 04:36.11 | gravity | Probably mozilla-firefox then |
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| 04:36.42 | gravity | There's a manpage, but I can't find it, which specifies the format |
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| 04:38.09 | chealer | wuhu! hey everyone, I'm entering IRC from Debian for the first time! |
| 04:38.13 | auxw | gravity: thank you for your help |
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| 04:38.27 | gravity | auxw: man apt_preferences |
| 04:38.40 | gravity | auxw: That's got tons of info |
| 04:38.52 | chealer | took me 15 seconds to connect although never used KSirc :) |
| 04:39.25 | lii | chealer: Which other distro are you from? :) |
| 04:39.46 | chealer | lii: Redmond, MDK, KNX |
| 04:40.29 | chealer | I'm on Sarge. Stability looks like KNX 3.4 up to now, quite insufficient. Well, I'll try installing with different settings. |
| 04:40.52 | gravity | You've got instability? How? |
| 04:41.14 | gravity | chealer: Definitely don't reinstall. This is Debian, man. You don't reinstall. |
| 04:41.21 | chealer | lol :) |
| 04:41.27 | chealer | cool |
| 04:43.08 | chealer | I might be suffering from a unique but painful problem. Many things (1/3, 1/2?) take veeery long time to start. A window might be about to pop up even if I tried to start the program before I entered the channel. |
| 04:43.28 | chealer | huum...things= programs I guess |
| 04:43.59 | lii | chealer: Which desktop environment? Which programs? Is it just startup time? Or general responsiveness? |
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| 04:44.52 | chealer | lii: on KDE there's a hang of several minutes at step "starting services" |
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| 04:45.08 | chealer | GNOME shows me only the pointer at startup for several minutes too |
| 04:45.32 | gravity | Hmm... gnome may be in flux in testing right now, due to the 2.4->2.6 transition |
| 04:45.35 | gravity | Not sure about KDE |
| 04:45.38 | chealer | I didn't try to debug much yet, just saying first impressions |
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| 04:45.50 | chealer | oh, "cool" |
| 04:46.05 | chealer | I was wondering if Sarge really sticked on 2.4 |
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| 04:46.37 | gravity | 2.6 is moving in now I think |
| 04:46.56 | gravity | Unstable went through a similar process a few weeks ago |
| 04:47.36 | chealer | using (or at least testing for now :-P ) Debian is a real pleasure |
| 04:48.01 | lii | chealer: Is your hostname resolvable? That can sometimes hold up KDE/GNOME startup (try "ping -c1 $HOSTNAME" to check). |
| 04:48.19 | gravity | Good thinking |
| 04:48.24 | chealer | lii: I don't think, GNOME warned me on first startup about that |
| 04:48.53 | lii | chealer: You really need to be able to hit yourself with network packets; GNOME and KDE programs use self-connections to communicate with each other .. |
| 04:48.55 | chealer | however KDE is similarly unstable :/ I should try this fix though |
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| 04:49.05 | chealer | ah, makes sense |
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| 04:49.32 | chealer | I must admit being unintroduced to Debian FAQ and unlegitimately receiving your help |
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| 04:50.51 | chealer | ut I'm in a bad timezone for opening the FAQs now too :D I think I'll thank everyone for the impressive responsiveness(?) and get some sleep for now. Tomorrow I can dream of Debian at work ;) |
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| 04:50.58 | gravity | Well, at least you read /topic. That puts you ahead of most people. |
| 04:51.12 | lii | chealer: Have fun with your new Debian system. |
| 04:51.24 | chealer | lii: no need to tell :) |
| 04:51.38 | chealer | bye gravity , lii |
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| 04:52.43 | gravity | Enjoy! |
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| 04:55.25 | hygl | has anyone else problems switching window focus with new xfree from sid? |
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| 04:57.07 | gravity | hygl: What's your window manager? |
| 04:58.17 | hygl | gravity: had the same problems with openbox and metacity |
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| 04:58.45 | gravity | hygl: Hm. metacity is working fine here. |
| 04:58.50 | hygl | none of the two changed, so it is likely a xfree problem. |
| 04:58.54 | gravity | I'm pretty sure I restarted X since I updated though. |
| 04:59.32 | hygl | gravity: I have restartet x as well, so that might not be the problem. |
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| 04:59.54 | gravity | No, I mean I think I'm using the updated version |
| 05:00.09 | hygl | gravity: ok. |
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| 05:00.34 | gravity | hygl: Sorry, wish I could help |
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| 05:01.03 | hygl | no problem, i think I write a bug report to branden. |
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| 05:02.26 | Roey | hello |
| 05:02.56 | Roey | how do I make dpkg or the apt commands verbiate to syslog? |
| 05:03.32 | lii | Roey: You can pipe their output into the "logger" command. |
| 05:03.33 | Roey | *verbalize |
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| 05:03.40 | Roey | I looked up dpkg-logger |
| 05:03.46 | Roey | but only found things from 1999 |
| 05:03.56 | Justin | using script is better, then you can just log whatever you want to little text files |
| 05:03.56 | Roey | lii: thanks though |
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| 05:04.45 | Roey | hmm |
| 05:05.03 | Roey | I can write to /var/log/syslog as a non-priveleged user using logger |
| 05:05.05 | Roey | erm |
| 05:05.14 | Roey | that doesn't sound too secure |
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| 05:05.40 | Roey | because someone could fill up the log partition like that. |
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| 05:06.33 | assamite | hoy |
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| 05:06.39 | Roey | hey |
| 05:06.51 | Justin | Roey: they could fill up the log partition by doing any number of things over and over again |
| 05:06.56 | Roey | right... |
| 05:07.05 | Roey | i mean I thought that right after that first one. |
| 05:07.11 | Roey | still though |
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| 05:07.31 | assamite | does somone knows how to enable the sound on the 'right' plug for my sound card ? I mean i use i810_audui and only line out is working |
| 05:07.54 | assamite | not the regular one |
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| 05:09.01 | abc | ok, comp getting too hot. |
| 05:09.05 | abc | need to shut off |
| 05:09.07 | abc | <roey> good night, guys |
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| 05:10.02 | unixfool` | anyone familiar with webmin and how to allow connections from more than one host? |
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| 05:12.27 | cafuego | Roey: If you couldn't do that, how would you like apps like an ftp server to log to syslog? |
| 05:13.04 | dallen | hi there. I was just a bloody idiot and ran 'mke2fs -j /dev/hda6' on what used to be my /usr partition. Is there any way to recover it, or should I try to get back from backups? |
| 05:13.39 | shwag | which cpu arch should I select for linux if cat /proc/cpuinfo says 'vendor_id : CentaurHauls' |
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| 05:17.27 | cafuego | shwag: Ummm... what? :-) |
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| 05:18.47 | cafuego | shwag: According to Google and the kernel config, WinChip (C6 or 2 or 2A or 2B or 3 or 4) |
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| 05:29.51 | dave007 | Hi, when I try to open a program for X with root I get: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: what can I do? |
| 05:30.11 | JoshH | are you in X when you do it? |
| 05:30.23 | dave007 | yeah, but under a normal user |
| 05:30.49 | JoshH | can you be more specific about what youre doing? |
| 05:31.34 | dave007 | JoshH, I just do su and try to open any graphical program and I get the same problem (like if I were not in X) |
| 05:31.41 | The_Vulture | ~tell dave007 about sshx |
| 05:31.47 | The_Vulture | go forth and be enlightened |
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| 05:32.08 | JoshH | !sshx |
| 05:32.09 | dpkg | Enable X11Forwarding **on the server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth on the client, then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Both server and client need the xauth program, which is in the xbase-clients package. ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 05:32.25 | JoshH | he didnt say he was doing this over ssh |
| 05:32.28 | icesmurf | export DISPLAY=localhost:0 |
| 05:32.30 | dave007 | The_Vulture, but this is not a remote thing I'm trying to do |
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| 05:32.34 | icesmurf | and then try. |
| 05:32.35 | dave007 | no ssh |
| 05:32.38 | icesmurf | and xhost +localhost |
| 05:32.41 | The_Vulture | JoshH: no, but that's the simplest way to get root access to the ssh server |
| 05:32.44 | icesmurf | then it should work. |
| 05:32.45 | The_Vulture | ssh to root on localhost, it's quite elegent |
| 05:32.54 | jm_ | dave007: /msg dpkg sux ; /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie ; /msg dpkg runstuffasroot ; or use sudo |
| 05:33.00 | JoshH | huh? |
| 05:33.02 | The_Vulture | or what jm_ said |
| 05:33.13 | JoshH | oh i see |
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| 05:33.56 | icesmurf | better yet, setup your work envrioment properly. and set your DISPLAY enviroment variable. |
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| 05:34.09 | icesmurf | then whenever you su, you wont have to worry abou tit. |
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| 05:34.45 | The_Vulture | icesmurf: "properly" is rather vague |
| 05:34.49 | JoshH | ok, i have a question... how do i make it so when i log out of gnome, it gives me the option to reboot or shutdown when im a normal user? as it is, it just lets me log out, and of course i have to be root to type halt, reboot, etc |
| 05:35.02 | icesmurf | sending local x traffic over an ssh agent is stupid. |
| 05:35.29 | icesmurf | JoshH: you cant, those functions need root access to be used. |
| 05:35.41 | jm_ | no they don't |
| 05:35.41 | The_Vulture | he could sudo.. *shrugs* |
| 05:35.44 | Caelum | JoshH: use gdm |
| 05:35.50 | dave007 | export DISPLAY=:0.0 was the solution |
| 05:35.52 | Caelum | JoshH: it has options for that |
| 05:35.59 | JoshH | icesmurf: well, it used to let me do that on slackware |
| 05:36.09 | The_Vulture | dave007: there are a lot of solutions, and that's part of a solution, actually having x allow the connection is the other part |
| 05:36.21 | JoshH | Caelum: ya, gdm does, but i dont like display managers |
| 05:36.25 | dave007 | ok, I'll look into it |
| 05:36.27 | dave007 | thanks |
| 05:36.36 | lii | JoshH: Don't like the overhead? :) |
| 05:36.43 | jm_ | JoshH: so ou use startx ? |
| 05:36.45 | jm_ | you |
| 05:36.46 | JoshH | iyes |
| 05:36.48 | JoshH | startx |
| 05:36.51 | jm_ | JoshH: man shutdown |
| 05:37.02 | zomtec | u |
| 05:37.24 | JoshH | reading it now, i didnt think of that... |
| 05:38.18 | JoshH | jm_: so if i add my name to shutdown.allow, it should do it? |
| 05:38.19 | lii | JoshH: You can combine 'sudo' and 'shutdown' together to allow selected non-root users to shut the system down. KDE3 also allows a shutdown-from-session .. |
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| 05:38.55 | Caelum | you can shut down from within X, everything will close just fine |
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| 05:39.46 | JoshH | ya, i know, i just liked being able to click actions -> logout on gnome, and have it give me the reboot or shutdown options right there when i used to use slack |
| 05:40.41 | jm_ | JoshH: yes |
| 05:40.54 | Caelum | it might have been a gnome 1.x thing |
| 05:41.10 | JoshH | no, no, it was like that on slack 9.1, with gnome 2.4 |
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| 05:41.43 | Caelum | I dunno...typing sudo shutdown -h now in a terminal works just fine |
| 05:41.43 | opp | im using giftd , seems only 1500plus users online at any givren moment in openft...is there a larger network?? |
| 05:41.46 | xine | whats a console based mp3 player? |
| 05:41.52 | Caelum | xine: mpg123 |
| 05:41.52 | JoshH | but you also didnt need to be root to type shutdown, halt, reboot, etc... im trying the shutdown.allow method now |
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| 05:44.37 | jm_ | xine: mp3blaster |
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| 05:46.50 | xine | how can i test my audio, i attempted to play an mp3 but that failed with mpg123, and i installed i think, compiled alsa-driver and did a make install, everything went fine up to then |
| 05:46.58 | jarango | Whic vnc package has better performance: vncserver or tightvncserver ? |
| 05:47.05 | jm_ | mpg321 -o alsa |
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| 05:47.35 | streuner | i got an error: mkdtemp: permission denied, starting X as 'normal' user (that's NOT a problem caused by the upgrade yesterday)? |
| 05:47.37 | IsaacX | theres smoke coming from the back of my case and im pretty sure its debian related, what should i do? |
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| 05:48.02 | streuner | the main problem is still that iam unable to delete files in /tmp |
| 05:48.10 | cafuego | IsaacX: throw boiling water onto the case |
| 05:48.13 | jm_ | streuner: then fix that |
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| 05:48.18 | streuner | bootmisc.sh and bootclean.sh won't work |
| 05:48.28 | streuner | jm_: well, i have no idea how |
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| 05:48.48 | cafuego | streuner: is /tmp set to mode 1777 ? drwxrwxrwt |
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| 05:49.08 | jm_ | streuner: check permissions ? |
| 05:49.30 | cafuego | IsaacX: btw, in case you're really goijng to try that, it was BAD ADVICE. |
| 05:49.43 | lii | streuner: Did someone set a wacko attribute on the directory? "lsattr -d /tmp"? |
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| 05:51.03 | streuner | lii: after booting the box, it won't delete those files and dirs in /tmp, deleted the /tmp by hand and created it new... |
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| 05:51.37 | xine | it says it's playing but i can't seem to hear anything, i'm root and i type mpg123 -o alsa mp3, the thing doesn't give me anything about being unable to play, and i have turned up the volume with alsamixer |
| 05:51.40 | streuner | the main problem is and was still that the box doesn't delete the files in /tmp. |
| 05:51.44 | xine | is there somthing maybe i need to do? |
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| 05:51.55 | jm_ | xine: read ALSA FAQ |
| 05:51.59 | ner0x | xine = evil, the pr0g, now you xine. lol |
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| 05:52.02 | lii | streuner: Filesystem corruption? dmesg spitting out errors about bogus directory entries? |
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| 05:52.15 | ner0x | not you xine* |
| 05:52.29 | ner0x | xine likes to crash my xserver on occasion. |
| 05:52.34 | ner0x | So we use mplayer now. lol |
| 05:53.01 | lii | ner0x: "mplayer -vo aa" rocks. |
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| 05:54.03 | streuner | lii: nope |
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| 05:54.30 | ceige | Has anyone had KDE hang at "Initializing system services"? |
| 05:54.39 | ner0x | lii: indeed it does lii, indeed it does. :) |
| 05:54.46 | streuner | Does a tgz-file could change the permissions in the /tmp dir after extracting it? |
| 05:54.58 | jm_ | streuner: it depends, but it's certainly possible |
| 05:55.00 | cafuego | ceige: yes |
| 05:55.03 | lii | streuner: If you're root, and the tarfile has a './' entry, yes. |
| 05:55.11 | ceige | cafuego: any solutions? |
| 05:55.21 | cafuego | ceige: The way I got around it, was by deleting ALL kde components and their config files, then reinstalling them. |
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| 05:55.28 | streuner | jm_: well, i extracted an driver-tgz (ATI) in /tmp? |
| 05:55.38 | jm_ | streuner: tar tvfz it and check |
| 05:55.39 | ceige | cafuege: and that worked? |
| 05:55.41 | lii | ceige: Are you able to resolve your hostname? |
| 05:55.45 | cafuego | ceige: Yep |
| 05:55.53 | ceige | cafuego: what a pain |
| 05:55.58 | ceige | lii: what do you mean |
| 05:56.00 | cafuego | ceige: running KDE now |
| 05:56.14 | cafuego | ceige: tell me about it.. had to do it TWICE as well |
| 05:56.24 | streuner | jm_: what should be the permissions for /tmp? |
| 05:56.30 | lii | ceige: If you can't ping yourself ("ping -c1 $HOSTNAME"), kded may hang for a long time at startup .. |
| 05:56.33 | streuner | 1777? |
| 05:56.58 | ceige | lii: I read that on a forum but that's not the problem I'm having. I can ping myself no problem. |
| 05:57.24 | ceige | lii: the problems logging in started when I tried to set up DHCP client. I haven't been able to connect to the internet yet. |
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| 05:58.11 | lii | ceige: Ok. Try removing ~/.kde/socket*, ~/.kde/tmp* ~/.kde/cache*, /tmp/kde-$USER, /tmp/mcop-*, ~/.DCOP*, ~/.mcop* and /var/tmp/kdecache-$USER |
| 05:58.45 | ceige | lii: do I need to replace them after removing? |
| 05:58.46 | lii | ceige: Some of those are symlinks which point to various sockets which KDE programs communicate over. |
| 05:59.02 | lii | ceige: They'll be created automatically by any starting KDE program. |
| 05:59.16 | ceige | lii: k, thanks... I'm gonna go try it now. brb |
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| 05:59.20 | lii | ceige: Also, look in ~/.xsession-errors for a postmortem if you still can't login. |
| 05:59.28 | ceige | lii: k |
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| 06:00.13 | jm_ | streuner: yes, drwxrwxrwt |
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| 06:01.36 | sabmoc | dpkg: hi |
| 06:01.36 | dpkg | salut, sabmoc |
| 06:01.36 | Kesseki | Rather complicated question: I'm running woody on a Fujitsu LifeBook S7010D, and am trying to use a Senao/EnGenius (prism2.5) 802.11b PC card with it. cardctl sees the insertion, but doesn't have *any* card info (no mfgid, even). Other PCMCIA cards work; this particular card doesn't work under Windows either, but the vendor swears it works fine in their HP test laptop. Is there something obvious about PCMCIA config I'm missing? |
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| 06:02.51 | streuner | jm, cafuego, lii: thanks, that was it :-) couldn't start X as user, extracted a tgz-file in /tmp which alters the permissions :-))) |
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| 06:03.12 | lii | streuner: Hehehe. :) Beware of ATI |
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| 06:03.40 | cafuego | Kesseki: Senao? That should work find with the hostap drivers. |
| 06:03.56 | cafuego | fine, too. |
| 06:04.09 | Kesseki | Tried those, and wlan-ng as well. :) I think there's something more low-level wrong...the hostap_cs module would insert properly, but never see the card. |
| 06:04.10 | jm_ | streuner: report it to the fuckers |
| 06:04.19 | streuner | jm_: :-) |
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| 06:04.27 | cafuego | Kesseki: Hmmm... |
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| 06:04.34 | cafuego | Kesseki: has that card been flashed? |
| 06:04.47 | Kesseki | I tried copying over the memory and port settings from the WinXP Device Manager, and that didn't do it either...:/ Nope, I haven't flashed it. |
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| 06:04.55 | sabmoc | either the topic is a liar or im insane cause `/msg dpkg gnome2.6` doesnt work |
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| 06:05.02 | cafuego | Kesseki: Any chance the vendor may have flashed it? |
| 06:05.15 | cafuego | sabmoc: Just like gnome 2.6, isn't it cool? |
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| 06:05.16 | streuner | jm_: that's not what you usually do with the file, it was an rpm and i alien it to see what files it has... |
| 06:05.26 | Kesseki | Possibly. I just got it back from them after mailing it in for an exchange, and they claim it worked perfectly, so I don't think they would have. |
| 06:05.38 | sabmoc | cafuego: well thats the answer i was looking for |
| 06:05.44 | jm_ | streuner: ahh I would just use rpm2cpio and extract that |
| 06:05.58 | sabmoc | is gnome2.6 bork? |
| 06:06.03 | cafuego | Kesseki: Hmm.. got another laptop handy (friend?) you could try it in? |
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| 06:06.36 | Kesseki | Unfortunately not...I just ordered a PCMCIA-slot PCI card for something else, so I'm going to try that next, I guess. |
| 06:06.47 | sabmoc | i havent installed gnome2.6 yet but i really cant have any downtime at the moment.. im using testing and it just got uploaded there.. anyone had problems yet? (sorry for the poll) |
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| 06:07.01 | cafuego | Kesseki: *nod* |
| 06:07.11 | lii | sabmoc: If you can't afford any downtime, don't make the leap to GNOME 2.6 just yet. :) |
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| 06:07.22 | Kesseki | The vendor suggests it's a resource conflict, but other cards (including WiFi cards) work right - am I right in thinking that PCMCIA cards of the same type (though different models) will use the same resources? |
| 06:07.40 | sabmoc | lii ok, i'll give it a week or two |
| 06:07.48 | cafuego | Kesseki: Is there any chance it might be a 5volt card whereas the slot is 3.3volt or vice versa? |
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| 06:08.09 | Kesseki | I'm pretty sure these slots are dual-voltage, but that's a thought...*checks manual* |
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| 06:08.37 | cafuego | Kesseki: You could try passing the vcc_soemthing param to the hostap_cs module, see if that helps |
| 06:08.42 | kurapikats | gooday to all |
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| 06:09.00 | cafuego | Kesseki: Mind you, if that was the problem I'd expect the card to work under WIndows. |
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| 06:09.22 | yxa | how do i get dpkg -l to list the full package names? it's truncated |
| 06:09.24 | kurapikats | question. how can i detect my connection speed |
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| 06:09.33 | cafuego | yxa: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 06:09.57 | yxa | cafuego thanks |
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| 06:10.39 | Kesseki | cafuego: Doesn't look like a voltage problem...the slots are universal Type 1/2/3 + CardBus. And yeah, I'd expect that...Windows sees the card *sometimes,* but only for about 8-10 seconds, which is very strange to say the least. |
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| 06:11.06 | cafuego | Kesseki: *nod* Can you check and make sure the pins in the slot are all lined up ok? |
| 06:11.46 | Kesseki | Yup, they are. :) Other cards work fine with no intermittency or anything. |
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| 06:11.49 | cafuego | Ok, so it really is the card. Socket dirty? |
| 06:12.15 | kurapikats | whats the command used to detect internet connection speed? |
| 06:12.36 | opqdonut | Kesseki: have you tried another catd of the same model? |
| 06:12.37 | Kesseki | Pretty sure not, it's a brand new laptop as of two weeks ago. |
| 06:12.50 | opqdonut | s/td/rd/ |
| 06:12.51 | streuner_ | kurapikats: use iptraf or pppstatus or gkrellm |
| 06:12.56 | Kesseki | opqdonut: Not yet...don't have one on hand. That's what I plan to do next (along with the PCI PCMCIA adapter), though... |
| 06:13.06 | kurapikats | streuner thanks! |
| 06:13.32 | ceige | lii: still no go. And ~/.xsession-errors is mostly gibberish. A bunch of ^A if that means anything. |
| 06:13.38 | opqdonut | Kesseki: i'd suspect the card, since everything else seems to work fine |
| 06:14.12 | cafuego | Kesseki: Hmm... is the laptop listed on www.linux-laptop.net? My new laptop (as of 8 months ago) has a problem when pcmcia-cs accessed certain io addresses and IRQs and needed a tweaked config. Again, I'd expect Windows not not have that problem, but you might try... |
| 06:14.14 | ceige | lii: "(KLauncher): Error: Klauncher: KDEInit communication error! Commiting suicide!" |
| 06:14.44 | opqdonut | ceige: sounds like your kde install is borked |
| 06:14.55 | yxa | cafuego didn't work |
| 06:14.58 | Kesseki | cafuego: That very well could be it...this model is too new, but the model it's based on (S6000D) is there. |
| 06:15.03 | lii | ceige: The ^A is a gap of zeroes in the logfile; it means some other app was still logging to the file when it was truncated. |
| 06:15.05 | cafuego | yxa: Then you mistyped it. |
| 06:15.07 | ceige | yeah, suicide sounds pretty serious |
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| 06:15.15 | yxa | cafuego oops ok |
| 06:15.15 | jekholm | good morning |
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| 06:15.37 | cafuego | yxa: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l" <-- like that. No quotes. |
| 06:15.41 | opqdonut | ceige: nah, it just means the prog quitted prematurely |
| 06:15.44 | lii | ceige: Try deleting ~/.xsession-errors, and log in again; if you still get the klauncher error, you might want to check permissions on /var/tmp and /tmp; are they mode 1777? |
| 06:16.06 | opqdonut | s/quitted/quit/ |
| 06:16.08 | jekholm | anyone know what's the preferred way to reconfigure the network on a testing machine that doesn't have "etherconf" installed? |
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| 06:16.13 | ceige | lii: this whole thing is too weird. KDE was working fine until I ran dhclient. Is there another way for me to connect to the internet using DHCP? |
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| 06:16.20 | helix | jekholm: man 5 interfaces |
| 06:16.21 | opqdonut | jekholm: ifconfig |
| 06:16.21 | cafuego | jekholm: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:16.28 | zakame | hello |
| 06:16.29 | ceige | lii: nevermind. I'll go try what you just sayed first. |
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| 06:16.39 | lii | ceige: Oh, hang on. Did dhclient re-write your /etc/resolv.conf, hence making your hostname unresolvable? |
| 06:16.41 | yxa | cafuego ok. my bad. |
| 06:16.44 | billh | :0 |
| 06:16.46 | jekholm | opqdonut: not really that low level :) |
| 06:16.53 | zakame | wazup here? |
| 06:16.53 | jekholm | helix, cafuego: thanks |
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| 06:17.03 | billh | Is there a known problem with the spamassassin packages and perl ? |
| 06:17.09 | opqdonut | jekholm: then edit the interfaces file |
| 06:17.11 | ceige | lii: I'll go ping myself to make sure |
| 06:17.12 | cafuego | helix: I've as of yet not been told I don't have to go. |
| 06:17.17 | ceige | lii: hold up a sec |
| 06:17.19 | opqdonut | billh: check the BTS |
| 06:17.20 | cafuego | helix: You better email me a list of CDs. |
| 06:17.22 | helix | cafuego: hmm. that sucks. |
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| 06:17.31 | helix | cafuego: ok, will do.. coming right up |
| 06:17.38 | billh | opqdonut BTS ? sorry |
| 06:17.51 | opqdonut | billh: Bug Tracking System |
| 06:17.53 | opqdonut | !bts |
| 06:17.53 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 06:18.14 | helix | cafuego: oooh. so do you know how long you'll be there? |
| 06:18.27 | Kesseki | cafuego, opqdonut: Thanks for your help. :) I'll try to get ahold of another card. |
| 06:18.33 | opqdonut | np |
| 06:18.44 | cafuego | helix: arrive tuesday night, working wednesday & thrusday, leaving thursday midnight. |
| 06:18.49 | ceige | lii: it ain't pinging |
| 06:18.51 | zakame | why doesn't ifupdown work with 2.6.6? |
| 06:18.58 | cafuego | helix: arrive back home saturday midnight |
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| 06:19.00 | ceige | lii: dhcp screwed something over along the way |
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| 06:19.01 | helix | cafuego: ah, at least you'll be there um.. well, longer than a day. :) |
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| 06:19.21 | cafuego | helix: pfffft |
| 06:19.37 | helix | cafuego: cafuego@cafuego.net ? |
| 06:19.45 | cafuego | helix: whatever@cafuego.net |
| 06:19.47 | helix | ok |
| 06:20.05 | lii | ceige: Make sure your /etc/resolv.conf is still sane and that your interfaces are actually up .. |
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| 06:24.35 | bdbd2 | hi |
| 06:24.36 | bdbd2 | I'm using sendmail as a mailserver for sending but not accepting, so if people want to reply it wont work because af the wrong reply address, now how can i let sendmail change that reply adress in the mail |
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| 06:27.14 | helix | cafuego: shall i include my address? |
| 06:27.46 | opqdonut | bdbd2: what mail client are you using? |
| 06:28.10 | sabmoc | is firefox9 on the schedule for sarge? |
| 06:28.14 | xsdg | someone wanna evaluate this utility I just wrote? (displays output from multiple commands in columns) |
| 06:28.28 | opqdonut | bdbd2: the mail client should have an option for adding a Reply-To: header |
| 06:28.57 | helix | xsdg: you want me to evaluate it? |
| 06:29.21 | xsdg | helix: http://www.cuodan.net/~xsdg/stuff/cols.rb |
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| 06:31.36 | xsdg | gravity: I've known helix (on IRC) for some time |
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| 06:32.41 | ysler | hi can some one help me whit the program GAIM |
| 06:32.53 | JoshH | ysler: what is it? |
| 06:32.55 | debian | not me |
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| 06:33.26 | helix | xsdg: oh, that's pretty neat |
| 06:33.27 | gravity | ysler: Just ask your question |
| 06:33.34 | ysler | i try to connect to MSN but this is the msg i get unable to write to MSN nexsus |
| 06:33.36 | sabmoc | screw it, im installing gnome2.6 |
| 06:33.49 | JoshH | ysler: what version |
| 06:34.08 | ysler | .078 |
| 06:34.08 | ysler | on knoppix |
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| 06:34.08 | xsdg | helix: thanks *g* |
| 06:34.08 | JoshH | dunno then |
| 06:34.14 | sabmoc | i can always fall back to winXP if gnome gets borken for a while |
| 06:34.26 | JoshH | sabmoc: what are you using now? |
| 06:34.36 | sabmoc | JoshH: testing |
| 06:34.46 | JoshH | i mean for your WM |
| 06:35.03 | sabmoc | JoshH: gnome2.4/metaicty |
| 06:35.12 | Terry | Who can tell me which lib does mozilla use? gtk2 or other one! |
| 06:35.23 | ysler | josh: do you know what i can do? |
| 06:35.26 | JoshH | oh, so youre just switching to a new gnome... i thought you were pissed off at KDE or something. :) |
| 06:35.30 | JoshH | ysler: nope, sorry |
| 06:35.34 | helix | xsdg: what else can this be used for? |
| 06:35.38 | ysler | SOME ONE |
| 06:35.48 | JoshH | ysler: #gaim |
| 06:35.52 | sabmoc | JoshH: yes, just upgrading. Im worried its going to fall apart on me though. |
| 06:35.58 | ysler | tnks |
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| 06:36.17 | JoshH | it should be fine, ive had it since it was in experimental with no problems, except xlibs borked it for a couple days a while ago |
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| 06:36.26 | helix | @peterSback |
| 06:36.30 | helix | oh well |
| 06:36.31 | sabmoc | JoshH: I have kde installed though, but I dont really use it except for scribus |
| 06:36.34 | xsdg | helix: what do you mean? |
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| 06:37.07 | helix | xsdg: just curious if you had another example of how it could be used |
| 06:37.31 | Terry | ÕâÀïÓÐÖйúÈËÂ𣿠|
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| 06:37.41 | helix | Terry: don't do that |
| 06:37.44 | xsdg | helix: well; I'm using it to compare the output of `tree` on two different but similar directories |
| 06:37.53 | helix | xsdg: ah, i see |
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| 06:38.03 | nator | hey all just recompiled my kernel now i'm trying to figure out how i configure lilo, I have 2 partitions on my HD winxp and Debian. I read that i can put my lilo on the root of the linux partition and make it bootable.. i am reading the lilo how to, but it very vague on how to do all this lilo stuff as well as how i set it up to boot my new kernel. |
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| 06:38.17 | Terry | helix: Why? |
| 06:38.27 | helix | Terry: because it offends my UTF-8 enabled sensibilities |
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| 06:38.55 | sabmoc | lol |
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| 06:40.38 | sabmoc | hmm.. |
| 06:40.56 | sabmoc | well it installed relatively cleanly, now time to restart the desktop and weep |
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| 06:41.31 | Terry | helix: I am Sorry,but I DO speak broken english.I almost can't describe my meaning as clear as possible. |
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| 06:41.58 | subdancer | hi |
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| 06:43.00 | subdancer | are there any keys for disable autoboot startx?? |
| 06:43.05 | helix | Terry: ok, i just don't think that was english you typed |
| 06:43.06 | jm_ | nator: how will you boot it if it won't be on MBR ? |
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| 06:43.27 | jm_ | subdancer: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 06:43.59 | Terry | helix: So what is it? And are you a chinese? |
| 06:44.01 | subdancer | my keyboard doesn´t work in xserver |
| 06:44.04 | harsha | !dpkg dpkg-scanpackages |
| 06:44.16 | helix | Terry: no, i'm american. i don't know what it was, it wasn't in a charset i could see. |
| 06:44.22 | lii | Terry: Don't paste Big5 or GB2312 text in here; it turns up as rubbish in most IRC clients here. |
| 06:44.22 | subdancer | i need to get in the console |
| 06:44.35 | harsha | !tell harsha dpkg-scanpackages |
| 06:44.39 | subdancer | but startx automatically startx every reboot |
| 06:45.00 | xsdg | Terry: you may want to consider switching to UTF-8 yourself (for interoperability reasons) |
| 06:45.03 | harsha | !tell harsha about dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 06:45.21 | jm_ | subdancer: for the last time, /msg dpkg nodm |
| 06:45.36 | jm_ | harsha: use /msg dpkg dpkg-scanpackages |
| 06:45.49 | xsdg | Terry: dpkg-reconfigure locales; have it generate the locale for <yourlanguage>.UTF-8, and have it set that as the default locale |
| 06:45.53 | subdancer | @ jm: i cannot type anything |
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| 06:46.13 | jm_ | subdancer: so how did you type this then ? |
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| 06:46.22 | subdancer | laptop :D |
| 06:46.36 | lii | subdancer: Can't use 'ctrl-alt-f1' to switch back to console #1? |
| 06:46.37 | jm_ | so tyope "/msg dpkg nodm" now |
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| 06:46.42 | jm_ | why is it so hard to understand ? |
| 06:46.54 | subdancer | k just a sec |
| 06:47.29 | subdancer | the keyboard worked in the console but i fixed a graphic prob and now startx starts everytime |
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| 06:47.35 | Terry | helix: and lii,Please tell me what should I do for changing my charset from GBK to UTF_8. |
| 06:47.35 | Terry | helix: I am typing english now.I sure. |
| 06:47.38 | harsha | hey whats the command to create the Packages.gz |
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| 06:47.46 | jm_ | yes so read what dpkg tells you and do it |
| 06:47.49 | xsdg | Terry: I just explained |
| 06:47.57 | jm_ | harsha: dpkg-scanpackages |
| 06:48.03 | streuner_ | harsha: someone already told you, scroll up |
| 06:48.05 | subdancer | can i type it in the boot progressP |
| 06:48.06 | helix | Terry: yes, you are now. |
| 06:48.07 | subdancer | ? |
| 06:48.19 | jm_ | subdancer: ffs no, it's a command for your IRC client |
| 06:48.27 | lii | Terry: He (xsdg) said -- run "dpkg-reconfigure locales". |
| 06:49.18 | lii | subdancer: But after X starts up, you're unable to switch back to the console with the 'ctrl-alt-fX' key combo? |
| 06:49.26 | subdancer | thx jm |
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| 06:49.42 | sabmoc | well icons are broken |
| 06:49.50 | sabmoc | but otherwise it seems ok |
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| 06:50.33 | Terry | xsdg,helix,lii: Thanks for your help,but if I switch my charset to UTF_8,maybe it will destroy XIM. |
| 06:50.46 | subdancer | whats the fX key??? im from germany |
| 06:50.56 | helix | subdancer: like f4, f5 .. |
| 06:50.56 | subdancer | strg?? |
| 06:51.01 | streuner_ | no |
| 06:51.06 | subdancer | ah k thx |
| 06:51.10 | streuner_ | F1, F2, F.... |
| 06:51.21 | xsdg | Terry: I have a couple friends who use UTF-8 and use japanese characters pretty often |
| 06:51.23 | jm_ | what is strg ? stromm-generator ? |
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| 06:51.36 | xsdg | (though I understand the alphabet isn't as extensive as the chinese alphabet) |
| 06:51.46 | streuner_ | jm_: :-) no, STRG=CTRL |
| 06:51.46 | subdancer | steuerung :D |
| 06:51.54 | subdancer | yep control |
| 06:52.10 | jm_ | ohh, steuerung, I was always wondering what it really meant |
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| 06:52.53 | streuner_ | !dict control |
| 06:52.58 | dpkg | Dictionary 'control' (3 shown; 42 total): a mechanism that controls the operation of a machine; "the speed control on his turntable was not working properly"; "I turned the controls over to her" ;; The House of Commons should exercise a control over all the departments of the executive administration. --Macaulay. ;; have a firm understanding or knowledge of; be on top of; "Do you control these data?" . |
| 06:53.00 | Terry | xsdg: Yes,I agree.But the XIM I am using is different with Japanese's one. |
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| 06:53.31 | jm_ | Terry: you can use different keyboard layouts with X, or use something like xkeysw |
| 06:53.51 | cyberyo | io |
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| 06:53.59 | nator | i have a question about lilo, when i install my new kernel.deb package and it asks me to put my lilo boot in the mbr, will i still be able to boot my winxp partition? |
| 06:54.03 | lii | Terry: If you're using the irssi IRC client, you can take a shortcut and load the 'recode' module. It'll convert incoming/outgoing messages between character sets on-the-fly .. |
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| 06:54.12 | streuner_ | nator: yes |
| 06:54.15 | jm_ | nator: yes, as long as you have a section for it in lilo.conf |
| 06:54.24 | subdancer | i also got a knoppix boot cd.... what files do i need to change that x doesn´t start automatically |
| 06:54.25 | xsdg | nator: I'd suggest using GRUB |
| 06:54.35 | lii | Terry: But xsdg's suggestion is sound. :) XIM shouldn't break when changing character sets to UTF-8 .. |
| 06:54.42 | nator | jm ok, so i have to edit that lilo.conf B4 loading the new kernel image so it knows its there right? |
| 06:54.44 | jm_ | subdancer: dpkg has told you |
| 06:54.58 | subdancer | k sorry |
| 06:55.05 | streuner_ | subdancer: if you have knoppix questions /join #knoppix |
| 06:55.05 | jm_ | nator: it doesn't matter when you edit it |
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| 06:55.14 | Terry | xsdg,lii: I see,and I promise I will never type chinese again here.Thanks a lot. |
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| 06:55.27 | Terry | lii: I am not using irssi now. |
| 06:55.37 | Terry | lii: but x-chat. |
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| 06:57.22 | Terry | lii,xsdg: The XIM(fcitx) made by chinese works correctly under GBK and G2312 only. |
| 06:57.35 | rm-Rf | how do i test my network speed connection? i have used befor a cmdline utility called p... that is client server and it helps you tune your network |
| 06:57.35 | xsdg | Terry: :o/ |
| 06:58.05 | Terry | lii,xsdg: Nobody can make it running under UTF_8 including author. :( |
| 06:58.52 | lii | Terry: I've never tried to write Chinese with XIM before, but does chinput work, as an alternative XIM server? |
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| 06:59.18 | subdancer | the keycombo didn´t work :(( |
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| 07:00.03 | lii | subdancer: Okay -- try passing the option 'single' to LILO when booting .. |
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| 07:00.14 | lii | subdancer: That'll bring you up in single-user mode, and avoid starting any display managers. |
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| 07:00.24 | sabmoc | anyone have any idea why nautilus wouldnt display the proper icons? all files and folders just look like a page of paper. Im guessing thats some sort of default |
| 07:00.36 | Terry | lii: Mainland is using fcitx instead of chinput. |
| 07:01.01 | nator | whats usually the difference between hda and hda1? is hda where the MBR lies? |
| 07:01.06 | starseed | sabmoc: make sure the gnome icon pacakges are installed |
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| 07:01.09 | lii | Terry: Oh. :) So chinput is useful for Taiwanese only? |
| 07:01.16 | dim1 | hba is the drive, hba1 is the first partition |
| 07:01.18 | Justin | !tell sabmoc about bts |
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| 07:02.07 | nator | so the mbr would be in the partition correct? hda1? |
| 07:02.07 | cafuego | helix: Cool, email arrived. |
| 07:02.32 | lii | sabmoc: Open the gnome-control-center and choose a theme; for some reason, Nautilus won't load any icons until an icon theme is registered with gconf .. |
| 07:02.33 | subdancer | there is no single option... just linux, hda1(winxp) and my new kernel 2.4.26 |
| 07:03.08 | lii | subdancer: No -- you type "linux single" and hit enter to boot into single-user mode! |
| 07:03.08 | Terry | lii: No,chinput is good also,but I don't know how to install and config it.My live-cd is using fcitx.I must use it without selection. ") |
| 07:03.10 | helix | cafuego: ok :) |
| 07:03.14 | lii | subdancer: Or 'kernel-2.4.26 single' or whatever you've named it. |
| 07:03.15 | Terry | lii: Are you a Taiwanese? |
| 07:03.20 | subdancer | yep right |
| 07:03.38 | lii | Terry: Nope. :) Wo bu jiang zhong wen. |
| 07:04.31 | subdancer | i cannot type anything the boot manager appears and i have to select |
| 07:04.41 | rm-Rf | i transfer files via ssh in 1mbps and its 100mbps link ? |
| 07:04.45 | rm-Rf | 1m from 12m avalieble |
| 07:04.52 | rm-Rf | can i test the link to know if its 10 or 100? |
| 07:05.06 | nator | ok well i got this much from some tuts but it was a tut from win95 for lilo, need these lines at the end of lilo.conf other=/dev/hda1 label=win and at the beggining default = win, that sound about right? or is there another label for winxp other than "win"?? or does the label even matter to the os i'm guessing it doesn't. |
| 07:05.10 | lii | subdancer: Is your boot manager grub or lilo? If it's lilo, you can hold down shift during bootup to type in your kernel options manually. If it's grub, hit 'e'. |
| 07:05.35 | subdancer | its red |
| 07:05.39 | subdancer | i think lilo |
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| 07:06.05 | subdancer | k just a sec |
| 07:06.34 | billen | I can't purge phpqladmin. It just seems to freeze. I can remove it but not purge it?! |
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| 07:06.41 | subdancer | k it worked |
| 07:06.51 | subdancer | there is boot: now |
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| 07:07.03 | arnau | hey |
| 07:07.05 | sabmoc | lii: there must be a problem with gconf then because thats the first thing i did, right after I reinstall industrial which was uninstalled during upgrade for some bizzar reason. |
| 07:07.16 | arnau | is someone using the linux kernel 2.6.7 there ? |
| 07:07.17 | Terry | lii: I met a problem when I installed flash pluigh into firefox.The installer told me that "gsfonts be needed".How can I do? |
| 07:07.19 | lii | rm-Rf: It might just be the maximum speed the encryption engine can run at on your machine. Try copying a large file over via plain old FTP, then running iptraf to gauge the transfer speed .. |
| 07:07.39 | lii | Terry: Hang on -- you're using the Knoppix Live CD? |
| 07:07.41 | Terry | lii: apt-get install gsfonts? |
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| 07:07.54 | JimButton | yo |
| 07:07.55 | lii | Terry: Actually, "apt-get install gsfonts-x11", |
| 07:07.56 | rm-Rf | lii: tnx |
| 07:07.58 | mithro | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.15 | starseed | you know, i started taking the advice of people in here my last few probs that I couldn't fix, and google really does work, you enter a few choice keywords and bam you're set |
| 07:08.19 | Terry | lii: no,hiweed,a new live-cd made by chinese. |
| 07:08.21 | sabmoc | is there a way to clobber my gconf registry safely? |
| 07:08.21 | arnau | nobody uses version 2.6.7 of linux kernel ? |
| 07:08.23 | cafuego | rm-Rf: it might go faster if you enable compression and use a faster algorithm. |
| 07:08.40 | rm-Rf | lii: iptraf this is what i have looked for |
| 07:08.51 | subdancer | k i typed linux single now |
| 07:08.51 | mithro | ahh - found it |
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| 07:09.00 | Terry | lii: knoppix is too big for my small hd. |
| 07:09.00 | sabmoc | arnau: im still on 2.6.3 :) |
| 07:09.05 | subdancer | it is booting |
| 07:09.11 | lii | sabmoc: Make sure you have "gnome-themes", "gnome-themes-extras" and "gnome-icon-theme" installed, too .. |
| 07:09.15 | rm-Rf | cafuego: its my local net and i realy don't need encryption |
| 07:09.25 | Terry | lii: and It hold too much program which I will never use. |
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| 07:09.52 | subdancer | do i get to the console now?? or do i need to press anything? |
| 07:10.08 | lii | Terry: Is hiweed a slimmed-down, Chinese-localized version of Knoppix? |
| 07:10.10 | sabmoc | lii: all of them are reporting as `newest version` |
| 07:10.16 | starseed | press any key , wheres teh any key ? |
| 07:10.24 | zignig | @kick starseed |
| 07:10.50 | starseed | hiss |
| 07:10.54 | subdancer | ? |
| 07:11.09 | rm-Rf | do i need a server ftp, in order to pass files between hosts? |
| 07:11.17 | sabmoc | starseed slitherin? |
| 07:11.19 | JimButton | rm-Rf: no |
| 07:11.29 | starseed | rm-Rf: you could user samba, or ssh |
| 07:11.38 | lii | subdancer: You should get a prompt for the password after booting into single-user mode. Just type in the root password and you'll get a shell .. |
| 07:11.46 | rm-Rf | there is something like scp in ftp world |
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| 07:11.48 | subdancer | k thx |
| 07:11.50 | arnau | weird, i compiled 2.6.7 yesterday using exactly the same configuration as i used for my 2.6.2, and now sound don't work despite, kernel module are launched... |
| 07:11.56 | Terry | lii: no really,hiweed gathers some feather from knoppix and debian,but not a slimmed-down but a new dist. |
| 07:12.11 | sabmoc | arnau: i hope u checked the mixer settings... |
| 07:12.20 | arnau | sabmoc> yes, of course :) |
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| 07:12.33 | starseed | arnau: yah, i was just about to say that |
| 07:12.44 | arnau | sabmoc> it doesn't come from that... |
| 07:12.52 | lii | sabmoc: Hmm .. can you manually switch between icon theme in the theme manager control applet? Does that cause Nautilus to change icon sets instantly? Or does it just sit there? |
| 07:13.02 | arnau | starseed> i have already check that... |
| 07:13.03 | sabmoc | sits there.. |
| 07:13.15 | subdancer | lii: yeeeaaahhhh :D |
| 07:13.21 | subdancer | im in the console now |
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| 07:13.26 | subdancer | with keyboard :D |
| 07:13.27 | arnau | starseed> i don't understand, i have the same modules loaded as before... |
| 07:13.27 | lii | subdancer: Yay. :) |
| 07:13.48 | rm-Rf | how do you copy via ftp between computers? i don't have ftp server running! |
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| 07:14.04 | subdancer | k what do i have to change that my keyboard works in x? |
| 07:14.19 | sabmoc | lii the gtk2 theme, and metacity theme respond, just not the icons, they seem dead.. except for nautilius control panel icons, they all show up fine. just not any filesystem icons, even trash icon look just like a paper page. |
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| 07:14.31 | streuner_ | subdancer: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 07:14.32 | lii | sabmoc: Say, is that still Nautilus 2.4.x, or was that upgraded to 2.6.x as well? |
| 07:14.40 | sabmoc | yes, upgraded |
| 07:14.40 | subdancer | k |
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| 07:14.49 | sabmoc | 2.6.1 |
| 07:14.54 | arnau | sabmoc> don't you forget a package, i have yet this problem, and it was because i forgot a package... |
| 07:15.10 | starseed | sabmoc: yah, I remember I had this problem too , did you manually set the icon theme in the theme control panel ? |
| 07:15.13 | Abnix_ | what do I need to modprobe to get iptables running in debian? |
| 07:15.25 | arnau | Abnix_> nothing |
| 07:15.40 | sabmoc | starseed: yes i did, but the icons wont respond |
| 07:15.49 | Abnix_ | ok then... |
| 07:15.58 | starseed | google ? |
| 07:16.00 | sabmoc | arnau: i have the icon package installed, and the theme package is installed |
| 07:16.07 | arnau | Abnix> when you enter an iptables rules, it loaded the appropriate modules... |
| 07:16.09 | Terry | lii: ./flashplayer_installer: line 1: strings: command no found. |
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| 07:16.33 | lii | sabmoc: Voodoo time: try a "pkill -f gnome-settings"? That should cause your Nautilus icons to disappear for a moment, and come back again .. |
| 07:16.44 | Abnix | I use this firewall utility called gShield, it interacts with iptables and such to setup sane rules etc etc, can't get it to work with debian at all |
| 07:16.51 | arnau | nobody for my sound problem under my 2.6.7 ? ;) |
| 07:16.54 | lii | Terry: You might want to install the flashplayer-mozilla package instead .. |
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| 07:17.07 | wliad | Hi all |
| 07:17.13 | arnau | Abnix> ah :/, have you some error or something like that ? |
| 07:17.16 | arnau | wliad> hi |
| 07:17.25 | Abnix | : No such file or directoryin/iptables |
| 07:17.32 | Abnix | * 8 billion |
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| 07:17.47 | wliad | Say, has no one took it to pack the X.org Server and client? |
| 07:17.49 | arnau | Abnix> have you specify where is iptables command ? |
| 07:17.50 | Terry | lii: ok,let me try.Thanks. |
| 07:17.52 | lii | Terry: Have a look at "http://hpisi.nerim.net"; it'll tell you what sources to put in your sources.list file to retrieve that package. |
| 07:17.56 | arnau | Abnix> in /sbin/iptables ? |
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| 07:18.27 | sabmoc | lii i didnt try that, but ive killed nautilus seveal times. But i just tried killing gnome-settings but still no icons :P weird eh, i think its gconf clobbering time. |
| 07:18.29 | note | hello |
| 07:18.46 | arnau | note> hi |
| 07:18.57 | wliad | arnau, do you know when X.rg will be available? |
| 07:19.15 | jm_ | wliad: /msg dpkg x.org |
| 07:19.16 | sabmoc | arnau: does lsmod report that the driver is inserted? |
| 07:19.20 | arnau | wliad> not at all |
| 07:19.21 | subdancer | k i made the dpkg-reconfigure console-data configuration.. now reboot? |
| 07:19.25 | lii | sabmoc: I'm out of alternate suggestions, I'm afraid. :) |
| 07:19.29 | wliad | jm_ |
| 07:19.30 | wliad | ? |
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| 07:19.34 | jm_ | ! |
| 07:19.36 | arnau | sabmoc> what driver ? :) |
| 07:19.47 | sabmoc | arnau: your soundcard driver |
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| 07:20.01 | arnau | sabmoc> oh, yes they are already loaded (discover) |
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| 07:20.27 | arnau | sabmoc> lsmod puts me all the kernel module i used in the previous version of the kernel |
| 07:20.31 | sabmoc | arnau: maybe try to turn off discover, and do it manually |
| 07:20.38 | flevour | i am running kernel 2.6.6 and now i would like to try to compile 2.6.7 . is there a way to avoid download the full sources of the latter? some diffs? |
| 07:20.42 | wliad | jm_, I don't get it |
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| 07:21.01 | jc-denton | 09:18 <dpkg> it has been said that gnome2.6 is on its way into unstable. a few package deps might be broken - be patient. See also |
| 07:21.04 | sabmoc | flevour: kernel.org has patches |
| 07:21.05 | arnau | sabmoc> yes, i try to do that now ;) |
| 07:21.08 | jc-denton | i think gnome2.6 is in unstable now |
| 07:21.16 | jc-denton | thats at least what gnome-about says |
| 07:21.17 | jm_ | wliad: do you know what /msg is ? |
| 07:21.22 | sabmoc | jc-denton: i just installed it, it is in testing already. |
| 07:21.25 | flevour | sabmoc: but which one i have to get? |
| 07:21.27 | jc-denton | yes |
| 07:21.29 | wliad | jm_, I got the message |
| 07:21.29 | wegi | wliad: as I know x.org packages will be available only for the modular tree which is still under dev |
| 07:21.32 | jc-denton | maybe update it |
| 07:21.40 | jc-denton | s/it/dpkg |
| 07:21.43 | wliad | I just don't understand it |
| 07:21.50 | jc-denton | sabmoc: how do u start gnome? |
| 07:21.50 | subdancer | streuner?? after it reboot? |
| 07:21.58 | jc-denton | just enter gnome-session in .xsession? |
| 07:22.07 | sabmoc | flevour: u need to find out :) |
| 07:22.17 | wliad | wegi, that's a shame... |
| 07:22.17 | flevour | sabmoc: eh :S |
| 07:22.20 | sabmoc | jc-denton: use gdm |
| 07:22.35 | wliad | wegi, I as hopping to at least see them in experimental |
| 07:22.44 | wliad | s/as/was |
| 07:22.57 | arnau | sabmoc> in addition, it's weird because it plays sound with no error, but i can hear nothing... |
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| 07:23.03 | wliad | s/hopping/hopeing |
| 07:23.21 | sabmoc | arnau: recheck the mixer :D |
| 07:23.29 | sabmoc | hehe |
| 07:23.48 | arnau | sabmoc> i try to do that before ask here :) |
| 07:24.03 | wegi | wliad: as I understand it right the effort to package it would be enourmous as xfree86 don't support all debian archs |
| 07:24.10 | arnau | sabmoc> i try again now, and all is turn on yet... |
| 07:24.17 | arnau | sabmoc> :) |
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| 07:24.32 | sabmoc | arnau: :P sound is such a bitch |
| 07:24.38 | wliad | wegi, you mean worg |
| 07:24.41 | wliad | xorg |
| 07:24.48 | arnau | sabmoc> :) |
| 07:24.59 | wliad | oh well |
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| 07:25.20 | wegi | wliad: xorg (monolithic tree) is just a fork of xfree86 v4.4rcsomething |
| 07:25.20 | subdancer | keyboard doesn´t work anyway :( |
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| 07:25.28 | sabmoc | worgs!! quick someone call legolas |
| 07:25.39 | wliad | Guess I'll continue to use XFree86 |
| 07:25.43 | raphael | i dont know if anyone can help but about 9:30 pm last night all my logs have stopped and the mail isnt working i tried to restart postfix and it seems its got in to read only fs mode ? cannot create regular file `etc/localtime': Read-only file system how can i tell if its mounted ro mode ? |
| 07:26.05 | wliad | sabmoc, mmmm.... he he |
| 07:26.12 | raphael | as looking at fstab /dev/hda1 / ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 so perhaps its mounted as ro suddenly ?? |
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| 07:26.22 | sabmoc | nite folks |
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| 07:26.26 | jm_ | raphael: check logs |
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| 07:26.34 | wliad | sabmoc, cya |
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| 07:26.39 | subdancer | is there a german debian chat? |
| 07:26.46 | arnau | raphael> oh :/ |
| 07:26.50 | hygl | subdancer: #debian.de |
| 07:26.53 | Terry | lii: yes,There is a deb name flashplayer-mozilla,but it will install mozilla when I "aptitude install flashplayer-mozilla".As you know,I have a firefox already. |
| 07:26.55 | subdancer | thx |
| 07:26.57 | arnau | raphael> have you see something wrong in syslog ? |
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| 07:27.16 | Rotor | why if i modify grub also after mounted it in /boot i ve always the old at reboot? |
| 07:27.20 | arnau | raphael> i have done yet this problem, it comes from an oops from the kernel :/ |
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| 07:27.27 | jm_ | root;modify what ? |
| 07:27.31 | jm_ | rotor even |
| 07:27.43 | Rotor | grub.conf |
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| 07:27.55 | jm_ | grub.conf is not a configuration file used by grub |
| 07:28.10 | Rotor | and what is ? |
| 07:28.15 | jm_ | info grub, read |
| 07:28.17 | arnau | Rotor> menu.lst |
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| 07:28.42 | raphael | jm: logs stopped at 9:30 they arent going up anymore ? |
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| 07:29.02 | Rotor | arnau :ty |
| 07:29.19 | jm_ | raphael: well maybe check dmesg, but I guess it has been overflown since then - there was an error so it was remounted ro, errors=remount-ro |
| 07:29.19 | wliad | Is there a time limit once someone picks a package until it is added to the trees? |
| 07:29.20 | arnau | jm_> but before this date, you should have something interesting, are you ? |
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| 07:29.45 | wliad | I mean, I see there are packages in preperation for over a year now... |
| 07:30.04 | raphael | jm: can i paste some stuff in flood ? |
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| 07:30.40 | jm_ | raphael: why are you asking me ? |
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| 07:30.57 | Abnix | anyone here experienced with gShield? |
| 07:30.58 | jm_ | arnau: it depends, I would assume so |
| 07:31.20 | arnau | jm_> ? |
| 07:31.21 | raphael | i mean would you mind having a look lol |
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| 07:31.43 | wegi | wliad: if you mean itp on wnpp, thats just an intention to package maybe they gave up and forget to rename the bug |
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| 07:32.39 | wliad | weg, no, I mean on the list of packages in preperation |
| 07:32.49 | wliad | wegi |
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| 07:32.55 | arnau | jm_> i don't understand... :) |
| 07:33.08 | Baldrick | Hi, I've got a problem with ldconfig, when running it, it tells me "ldconfig: /usr/lib/ is not a symbolic link", do you know the cause? |
| 07:33.15 | subdancer | the german chat is low :(( 100 guys nobody writes anything |
| 07:33.29 | siimo | hi is it possible to ghost a ext3 debian partition? |
| 07:33.34 | zignig | Baldrick: what about your cunning plan ? |
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| 07:33.56 | arnau | siimo> have you try partimage ? |
| 07:34.05 | Baldrick | zignig: oh, the one as smarter as a fox professor in Cambridge? :) |
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| 07:34.26 | zignig | Baldrick: :) |
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| 07:34.42 | Baldrick | zignig: what about ldconfig? :) |
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| 07:35.06 | wliad | Take GAMBAS for example... It's in preperation ove 300 days now... |
| 07:35.09 | subdancer | how can i get my keyboard work in xserver , it is a ps2 ??? it works in the console |
| 07:35.18 | wliad | Or maybe I'm wrong? |
| 07:35.20 | Baldrick | I looked all around, googled... read the fine manual... can't find any the problem |
| 07:35.30 | arnau | subdancer> what have you put in /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 07:35.48 | hid3 | when adding user system asks for its name, home phone and etc.. I don't need such information but I have to add about 200 users.. How can I skip that step? |
| 07:35.57 | subdancer | just a sec |
| 07:36.11 | jm_ | hid3: use useradd, not adduser |
| 07:36.19 | hid3 | thx |
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| 07:37.24 | xerophyte | how can i search "word anotherword" in vi? |
| 07:37.52 | dim1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:37.54 | Baldrick | xerophyte: /word anotherword (in command mode) |
| 07:38.32 | wliad | oh.. .I was wrong: gambas: graphical development environment based on a Basic interpreter, 174 days in preparation. |
| 07:38.53 | edx | speaking of which anyone else having problems with the find files applet on 2.6.6? |
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| 07:39.00 | raphael | jm: ok thanks for your help ill give it a go |
| 07:39.14 | arnau | raphael> have you resolve you problem ? :) |
| 07:39.30 | raphael | arnau: EXT3-fs error (device ide0(3,1)) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted |
| 07:39.34 | xerophyte | i have this "domain.com combined" how can i replace to this "domain.com.access combined" with %s/.com combined/.com.access combined/g that didnt work |
| 07:39.38 | raphael | arnau: gonna do a fsck and see what happens :) |
| 07:39.46 | arnau | raphael> i have the same error ;) |
| 07:39.53 | raphael | arnau: what was youts ? |
| 07:40.04 | raphael | i mean what was the problem |
| 07:40.07 | jm_ | xerophyte: "domain.com combined" has two spaces, your s command only has one |
| 07:40.12 | arnau | raphael> i never find :/ |
| 07:40.15 | Abnix | " gShield in no way taunts Happy Fun Ball, and is included in various Linux distributions, such as Gentoo, and Debian." But the 'debian' is lined out, how come such a prestigous distro would leave out support for such a usefull thing? |
| 07:40.24 | raphael | arnau: so you keep getting mounted as ro mode ? |
| 07:40.25 | arnau | raphael> memory ? I dunno... |
| 07:40.31 | arnau | raphael> no i fsck |
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| 07:40.40 | jm_ | raphael: also run some tests, like memtest86 and badblocks |
| 07:40.50 | arnau | raphael> and i don't remember if i reboot or not :) |
| 07:40.52 | xerophyte | jm_ how can i stall vi to match any space there |
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| 07:41.23 | raphael | jm: will do |
| 07:41.34 | raphael | ok lets see :) |
| 07:41.37 | arnau | raphael> with the utilities jm_ mentioned, i found nothing :/ |
| 07:41.50 | jm_ | xerophyte: s/.com *combined/domain.com.access combined/ |
| 07:41.53 | captainwinky | hi, can anyone help me with getting dma working on my drives? i have just installed hdparm and it confirms that dma is not currently enabled (not that i couldn't tell from the system-chunking whenever Hdisks are in use;) |
| 07:41.56 | raphael | well if it does it again the server will be taken out of production :) |
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| 07:42.00 | gsmoker | hi |
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| 07:42.07 | Hugl3 | where does debian keeps password file ? |
| 07:42.12 | gsmoker | anyone can find out a ip from a nick in irc? |
| 07:42.12 | starseed | captainwinky: hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
| 07:42.14 | Baldrick | captainwinky: hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda |
| 07:42.24 | gsmoker | i have running a bouncer but the ip has change |
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| 07:42.35 | Hugl3 | gsmoker /whois nick |
| 07:42.41 | jm_ | Hugl3: man passwd |
| 07:42.42 | starseed | captainwinky: hdparm -t -T /dev/hda to test the speed |
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| 07:42.54 | jm_ | Hugl3: actualyl, man 5 passwd |
| 07:43.00 | jc-denton | hey |
| 07:43.02 | captainwinky | starseed, should be a 7200rpm drive |
| 07:43.04 | gsmoker | Huey i need the ip |
| 07:43.08 | jc-denton | gnome does not have folder icons? |
| 07:43.10 | jc-denton | :( |
| 07:43.17 | starseed | captainwinky: I mean, in actual data transfer speed |
| 07:43.27 | captainwinky | starseed, okay :). heh |
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| 07:43.32 | gsmoker | gsmoker|weg is gsmoker@=7O70-020-516-485.dclient.hispeed.ch |
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| 07:43.32 | Baldrick | Does any one know what might cause ldconfig to output: "ldconfig: /usr/lib/ is not a symbolic link" (I know I repeat myself :) |
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| 07:43.46 | jm_ | Baldrick: ldconfig is a shell script, debug it |
| 07:43.58 | xerophyte | jm_ thx |
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| 07:44.10 | Baldrick | jm_: a shell script? I don't think so |
| 07:44.12 | helix | gsmoker: wtf |
| 07:44.21 | wegi | wliad: on debian-x there is a thread about the future of X in Debian started right now |
| 07:44.29 | edx | here is an easy where is the xmms plugin directory located in debian I cant find it any where and what is an easy way to find directories like that? |
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| 07:44.47 | cafuego | yeah! |
| 07:44.48 | gsmoker | helix? whats up? |
| 07:44.51 | wliad | wegi, ok. 10x |
| 07:44.59 | helix | 03:38 <gsmoker> gsmoker|weg is gsmoker@=7O70-020-516-485.dclient.hispeed.ch |
| 07:45.11 | helix | don't do that |
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| 07:45.13 | gsmoker | <Hugl3> gsmoker /whois nick |
| 07:45.18 | gsmoker | why helix? |
| 07:45.25 | cafuego | gsmoker: it's spam |
| 07:45.29 | captainwinky | start seed, Timing buffer-cache readhs: 700.36 MB/sec, Timing buffered disk reads: 3.86MB/sec. |
| 07:45.32 | gsmoker | yes? why that? |
| 07:45.33 | tuxscent | Hello. I want to download the full Debian stable cds... I've prepared to download 7 binaries cds and the nonus cd... Is the source code included in them... or should I download more cds even? |
| 07:45.39 | cafuego | captainwinky: ouch |
| 07:45.54 | captainwinky | cafuego, ouch? |
| 07:45.54 | gsmoker | cafuego, why its spam? it have no adv or so?! |
| 07:45.59 | wliad | tuxscent, why would you want to do that? |
| 07:46.08 | cafuego | captainwinky: 3.86MB/sec is slow. Really slow. |
| 07:46.14 | gsmoker | no one can find out an ip in irc? |
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| 07:46.20 | tuxscent | wliad: It is for a friend that has no internet connection. And also wants the source code. |
| 07:46.28 | helix | gsmoker: because it's a stupid bot annoyance. don't do it. |
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| 07:46.34 | cafuego | gsmoker: Of course you can, there's just no need to paste that crap into the channel. |
| 07:46.51 | Hugl3 | hm.. why : useradd -d /home/ftp -s /bin/sux -p qwaszx12 test2 makes ununcrypted pass ? |
| 07:47.00 | cafuego | tuxscent: I'm pretty sure the source is included in the 7cd set |
| 07:47.06 | captainwinky | cafuego, just closed xmms. helped a tiny bit, but only by a tenth of a second |
| 07:47.20 | gsmoker | ah okay then sorry |
| 07:47.21 | cafuego | captainwinky: What would work better is to enable DMA. |
| 07:47.32 | cafuego | captainwinky: hdparm -c1 -d1 -u1 /dev/hdX |
| 07:47.33 | gsmoker | but its not possible to find out the ip? |
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| 07:47.40 | gsmoker | when the host is encrypted? |
| 07:47.57 | gsmoker | or /whois dont show an ip |
| 07:48.10 | cafuego | gsmoker: as in "7O70-020-516-485.dclient.hispeed.ch"? You run "host 7O70-020-516-485.dclient.hispeed.ch" at your command prompt. |
| 07:48.41 | captainwinky | cafuego, to be able to enable dma is the help i am seeking. is that exactly what i have to type? (i realise i have to substitute the 'X' for the specific drive:) |
| 07:48.53 | Baldrick | jm_: I noticed though that "ldconfig: /usr/lib/" has a slash at the end, it shouldn't, I think, but I don't know were does it take it from |
| 07:48.56 | gsmoker | cafuego, can you make this? im in the school and dont have linux here :/ |
| 07:49.00 | cafuego | captainwinky: If you have hdpamr installed and it's an IDE drives, then yes. |
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| 07:49.15 | captainwinky | cafuego, okay, thanks :) |
| 07:49.39 | cafuego | captainwinky: Mind you, iof you have an up-to-date kernel that supports your ide chiopset, it should enable DMA by default. |
| 07:50.12 | Hugl3 | how can i encrypt text ? |
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| 07:50.16 | yxa | how do i tell exim3 to log incoming/outgoing emails? |
| 07:50.40 | gsmoker | cafuego? host 7O70-020-516-485.dclient.hispeed.ch tell me the ip? |
| 07:50.45 | Abnix | ... what's a recommended software package I can use to manage iptable/firewalling on a debian rig? |
| 07:51.01 | gsmoker | when yes can you please give me the ip? |
| 07:51.09 | captainwinky | cafuego, i'm using kernel-2.6.4, but i am not very knowledgeable on configuring that section :/ |
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| 07:51.33 | Abnix | gshield can work on virtually every other linux I've tried except debian....dunno what the deal is, getting quite upset about it |
| 07:52.15 | cafuego | gsmoker: 'host <hostname>' yes |
| 07:52.26 | captainwinky | cafuego, it says HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted ??? :( |
| 07:52.33 | cafuego | Abnix: I find 'iptables' works fine. |
| 07:52.37 | jm_ | Baldrick: ahh silly me, that would be ldd, not ldconfig - strace it maybe |
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| 07:53.03 | cafuego | captainwinky: Ok, that means you're using the generic ide driver, not the one specifically for your chipset. What kernel version are you on and what is your ide controller? |
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| 07:53.33 | cafuego | captainwinky: OR you're not running it as root. |
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| 07:53.56 | systems | okay, i bought an ethernet card dlink dfe 530 tx , i inserted it in the pci slot, and booted my pc, i heard it uses the via-rhine modules, and why i do modprobe via-rhine, i get this error /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.o: init_module: No such device |
| 07:54.02 | systems | Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters. |
| 07:54.03 | systems | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:54.05 | captainwinky | cafuego, kernel 2.6.4 and i am not sure what my ide controller is :/. and yes, i am in root ;) |
| 07:54.06 | systems | /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.o failed |
| 07:54.06 | Baldrick | jm_: I did that too, it faisl here, I think: "lstat64("/usr/lib/", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=65976, ...}) = 0" |
| 07:54.09 | systems | /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/net/via-rhine.o: insmod via-rhine failed |
| 07:54.12 | systems | sorry for the little flood |
| 07:54.39 | systems | but anyway, what should i do, my system doesnt seem to be able to detect my card at all, i got no clue what to do next |
| 07:54.41 | Baldrick | jm_: in another machine thats like "lstat64("/usr/lib", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=65976, ...}) = 0" |
| 07:54.42 | cafuego | captainwinky: lspci | grep IDE |
| 07:54.50 | captainwinky | ahh, okay |
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| 07:54.56 | jm_ | Baldrick: so it's the same |
| 07:54.58 | Baldrick | jm_: without the '/' at the end... cant tell why this happens here :/ |
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| 07:55.06 | cafuego | systems: what does 'lspci' say about the card? |
| 07:55.17 | systems | cafuego: no card |
| 07:55.20 | raphael | ok i went into lilo and did linux init=/bin/sh - thats how i thought i used to go in so i could fsck, did mount and /dev/hda1 appeared to be mounted? anyway so i did fsck -a -t ext2 /dev/hda1 - and it didnt much it just errored and sat there. so then i went to reboot so i could boot off debian recovery cd so i could try another fsck but it wont let me do shutdown -r now as it says it cant write to /dev/initctl - how can i shutdown now ? :) |
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| 07:55.23 | systems | doesnt see it |
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| 07:55.29 | cafuego | systems: lspci doesn't see the nic? |
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| 07:55.40 | systems | think so |
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| 07:55.50 | captainwinky | cafuego, VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C PIPC |
| 07:55.53 | systems | nope no nic |
| 07:56.13 | systems | but it also give me this pcilib: Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices |
| 07:56.27 | systems | and many more lines |
| 07:56.28 | cafuego | systems: Make sure it's seated properly, check that your bios is initing the pci slots. |
| 07:56.38 | cafuego | captainwinky: VIA KT400 mobo? |
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| 07:56.47 | captainwinky | cafuego, yes |
| 07:56.51 | cafuego | captainwinky: ... athlon box? |
| 07:56.56 | cafuego | cool, I have same :-) |
| 07:57.06 | cafuego | captainwinky: Did you compile your own kernel? |
| 07:57.12 | captainwinky | cafuego, yep :) |
| 07:57.41 | cafuego | captainwinky: Ok, two things. 1) get the 2.6.7 kernel source. 2.6.4 has a nasrty bug. |
| 07:57.55 | cafuego | captainwinky: 2) make sure you have CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y set |
| 07:59.08 | cafuego | captainwinky: That's "Device Drivers ---> ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support ---> VIA82CXXX chipset support" |
| 07:59.16 | captainwinky | cafuego, i have to configure another kernel? ( :( ;) :P) (i have compiled kernels about 10-15 times in the past few weeks;) |
| 07:59.22 | cafuego | captainwinky: make sure that has a <*> in front of it. |
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| 07:59.41 | cafuego | captainwinky: Well, you don't HAVE to, but with that driver your hdd will be about 10 times faster :-) |
| 07:59.55 | captainwinky | cafuego, sounds nice :) |
| 08:00.29 | cafuego | captainwinky: If you get patch-2.6.5.bz2 patch-2.6.6.bz2 and patch 2.6.7.bz2 from kernel.org, you can simply patch the source tree, saves a lot of download time. |
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| 08:01.30 | captainwinky | cafuego, download time shouldn't be too bad. i get nervous about patching, for some unkown reason. |
| 08:01.47 | cafuego | captainwinky: the kernel has a patch script that does it all for you. |
| 08:02.22 | cafuego | captainwinky: dump the patches in /usr/src, then cd to the kernel source tree and type "./scripts/patch-kernel . /usr/src" |
| 08:02.23 | arnau | i have a problem with nfs : i have a directory called share/, in this one there are some directory and an other one where i have mount an other partition, however, i can see all the other files except the file from the fs mounted... |
| 08:02.27 | arnau | any idea ? |
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| 08:02.44 | Supaplex | check the tortilla despenser |
| 08:02.52 | lii | Whoa -- did Herbert Xu really quit? Who's the Debian kernel maintainer now? |
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| 08:03.47 | jc-denton | humm i dont get it |
| 08:04.06 | jc-denton | why does nautilus not display the correct icons |
| 08:04.25 | captainwinky | cafuego, and then do i need to change that option regarding IDE controllers? |
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| 08:04.52 | cafuego | captainwinky: yep. You need to enable the one I just told you... and also set 'Enable IDE DMA by default' at the top of that list. |
| 08:05.22 | captainwinky | cafuego, okay. thanks for your help so far :). fingers crossed this goes okay |
| 08:05.23 | cafuego | captainwinky: It's generally a good idea to run 'make oldconfig' first, after applying the patches. |
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| 08:05.39 | cafuego | captainwinky: ... that will prompt you for any added options. |
| 08:05.41 | raphael | arnau: can you help me ? |
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| 08:06.52 | arnau | raphael> for what ? :) |
| 08:07.05 | jc-denton | is there a gnome-debian wiki or something? |
| 08:07.09 | arnau | nobody is using nfs here ? |
| 08:07.18 | arnau | ;) |
| 08:07.26 | jc-denton | gedit: relocation error: gedit: undefined symbol: eel_input_event_box_new |
| 08:07.27 | tuxscent | From Official Debian I can download 7 binaries cds prepared for i386. Do you know if there's any place where I could find these same cds but prepared for 686 ? |
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| 08:07.50 | Guerin | tuxscent: they don't exist |
| 08:08.09 | Guerin | tuxscent: and in any case, they'd be a waste of time if they did |
| 08:08.15 | tuxscent | Guerin: Isn't there any website that does them? |
| 08:08.54 | Guerin | tuxscent: I don't think so. You do realise how much a PITA it is to compile 7 discs of compressed software? |
| 08:09.01 | jc-denton | lol and the 'home' shourtcut opens konqueror |
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| 08:09.41 | raphael | ok i just had the error, EXT3-fs error (device ide0(3,1)) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted - so i went into lilo and did linux init=/bin/sh - thats how i thought i used to go in so i could fsck, did mount and /dev/hda1 appeared to be mounted? anyway so i did fsck -a -t ext2 /dev/hda1 - and it didnt much it just errored and sat there. so then i went to reboot so i could boot off debian recovery cd so i could try another fsck but it w |
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| 08:10.08 | Guerin | tuxscent: 90% or so of the performance boost you get running an OS compiled for your CPU comes from the kernel and a few libs, like libc6/glibc - in debian, you can get kernels compiled for practically any arch, so the need for a total 686 os is irrelevant |
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| 08:11.02 | Guerin | tuxscent: s/practically any arch/practically any x86 chip/ |
| 08:11.02 | tuxscent | Guerin: Stable cds comes with precompiled 686s kernels as I've seen in some webpages... so with stable cds will do. It's great then. |
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| 08:11.26 | Guerin | tuxscent: sho' nuff :) |
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| 08:13.08 | captainwinky | cafuego, do i need to extract those patches before trying to implement them? |
| 08:13.10 | jm_ | Baldrick: maybe look at the things before it and also try ltrace |
| 08:13.40 | Baldrick | jm_: did that... I'll check ltrace, thanks |
| 08:13.44 | tuxscent | And more question. Is kde included in Debian Stable cds? |
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| 08:14.10 | arnau | tuxscent> take a look on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 08:14.39 | stief | if i'm a user and a do crontab -e, and make a cronjob, where is the cronjob saved ? which file cause i can't find it |
| 08:14.42 | gwadboy | salut all |
| 08:15.15 | jm_ | stief: man cron tells you |
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| 08:18.00 | cafuego | captainwinky: No, the patch-kernel script does the extraction for you |
| 08:18.22 | captainwinky | cafuego, i also just realised that it's actually the kt600 mobo. works with the kt400 agp setup though ??? |
| 08:18.32 | cafuego | captainwinky: it should, yep. |
| 08:18.38 | stief | jm_, thanks got it |
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| 08:18.54 | captainwinky | cafuego, okay, thanks :) |
| 08:18.55 | cafuego | captainwinky: The athlon box I'm setting up atm is a kt600 9though it calls itself KM400) |
| 08:19.13 | captainwinky | heh, interesting :) |
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| 08:19.42 | cafuego | I can't look at it though, it's located at a dedicated hosing provider 1,800 km away |
| 08:20.04 | cafuego | still, it runs fine and the hdds are fast (raid, though) |
| 08:20.05 | raphael | in order to fsck without the partitions being mounted whats the best way to do this ? |
| 08:20.07 | Yan^ | Hello people, I have a question about compatibility of seagate harddrives and Shuttle motherboards, could anyone help? |
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| 08:22.52 | Henk | My NetGear router is not allowing connections from the internal network to the webserver. Rather what happens is the web based configuration tool is activated. Anyone have any ideas about this? |
| 08:23.21 | nicolade | Hello! Is it right that in my /etc/init.d/ dir there are two inetd scripts? One is named inetd the other is named inetd.real. Is that okay so? Or might that be the work of an intruder? |
| 08:23.48 | nicolade | Henk: what netgear router are you using? |
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| 08:23.54 | dondelelcaro | nicolade: uh, that's kind of unusual. |
| 08:23.59 | eye69 | nicolade: Do you have xinetd installed? |
| 08:24.18 | nicolade | eye69: yes! |
| 08:24.22 | Henk | nicolade: the mr314! |
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| 08:24.32 | eye69 | nicolade: Then there you have it |
| 08:25.12 | nicolade | eye69: oooh! thanks! I really got frightend as you dondelelcaro said that's kind of unusual...thank you! |
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| 08:25.32 | nicolade | eye69: but there is another xinetd script in the same dir. |
| 08:25.42 | dondelelcaro | hrm... that's stupid then... xinetd should use /etc/xinetd, not /etc/inetd.real |
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| 08:26.00 | Henk | nicolade: I am using the NetGear MR314. |
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| 08:27.04 | Ikarus_ | Urgh, Need to get 518MB of archives..... |
| 08:27.06 | gsmoker | cafuego? i have no linux here, can you give me the ip of 7O70-020-516-485.dclient.hispeed.ch please?! |
| 08:27.11 | gsmoker | or anyone else? |
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| 08:29.12 | Yan^ | Hello pepole, could anyone help with the following question: is the seagate ST3400 14A hard drive compatible with the motherboard AK12 ?? |
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| 08:30.21 | Henk | No ideas anyone? |
| 08:30.22 | nator | hey all, well lilo as really kickin my ass! I can get either my winxp or my linux partition to boot depending on how i set it up, but i can't get both, i'm so frustrated with this thing, can anyone point me in the way of a decent guide or maybe if you want me to explain someon could help. |
| 08:30.40 | dondelelcaro | Yan^: uh, it's been a really long time since I've seen a harddrive that isn't compatible with a motherboard. |
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| 08:31.12 | Yan^ | dondele: :)) they frightened me at the shop saying that it is NOT compatible |
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| 08:31.28 | Henk | nator: Both need to be bootable. |
| 08:31.37 | ndee | hi there, I have to do a backup of our data, I want to tar it but I get error messages like "file is changed while reading", although I KNOW that the file isn't being changed(some are 3 year old files who no one touches), so what is my best bet to avoid such a message? |
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| 08:32.22 | Yan^ | dondelelcaro: what about larger seagate disks? say for 80 giga |
| 08:32.23 | Henk | notor: What I do is insure that I can boot my windows parition. |
| 08:32.25 | nator | henk ok, when i set both to bootable it complains that some dos thingi doesn't like having both partitions bootable, should i worry bout that and just set em both to bootable? |
| 08:32.46 | dondelelcaro | Yan^: unless you've got an ancient motherboard, it should work. |
| 08:32.50 | Henk | notor: Then when I can successfully do this I install linux on a free partition. |
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| 08:33.13 | nator | henk well its booting windows now with no input, but it doesn't prompt me either. |
| 08:33.22 | nator | henk well i'm not going to reinstall any os :) |
| 08:33.24 | Henk | nator: Well your windows partition is probably already "bootable" |
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| 08:33.27 | Ikarus_ | nator: bash ctrl when lilo appaers |
| 08:33.33 | Ikarus_ | (the text) |
| 08:33.40 | sciboy | Anyone know any good inspirational online sites? (Preferably something to do with computers, fiction or art.) |
| 08:33.46 | Henk | notor: Good windows is booting now.. |
| 08:33.55 | dondelelcaro | sciboy: what, like ice.org? |
| 08:34.04 | nator | ikarus should i make both partitions bootable via cfdisk? |
| 08:34.06 | Yan^ | dondelelcaro: do you say that Shuttle AK12 is not ancient? actually this is at least 3 years old,(the date of birth of my computer :)) |
| 08:34.07 | dondelelcaro | or dr_fun |
| 08:34.10 | Henk | nator: And you have linux install also? |
| 08:34.12 | Ikarus_ | nator: neither |
| 08:34.17 | nator | henk yep. |
| 08:34.18 | dondelelcaro | Yan^: 3 years is not ancient. |
| 08:34.21 | nator | ikarus huh? |
| 08:34.23 | Ikarus_ | nator: lilo must be installed in the MBR |
| 08:34.43 | Henk | nator: Excellent. No tell lilo to write to the mbr of your hard drive. |
| 08:34.46 | Henk | *now |
| 08:34.51 | dondelelcaro | Yan^: I'm talking pre 95. |
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| 08:34.55 | captainwinky | cafuego, i have run 'make oldconfig'. now do i run 'make menuconfig', selecting the ide controller options, then make etc? |
| 08:34.56 | nator | ikarus grr, ok here is my setup, hda,hda1(winxp),hda2(linux2.4.26) |
| 08:35.00 | nator | henk ok did that. |
| 08:35.04 | chimaera | anyone using gamecon.ko (paralellport joystick)? for some reason it does not recognize the required cmd-line parameters anymore when loading. |
| 08:35.10 | Ikarus_ | nator: lilo needs to be installed on /dev/hda |
| 08:35.18 | sciboy | dondelelcaro, I was hoping for it to include text? |
| 08:35.23 | nator | ikarus ok it is now. |
| 08:35.29 | Yan^ | dondelelcaro, Ok thanks, have you had an experience of your own? or can you recommend a WEB site where they discuss these items? |
| 08:35.30 | dondelelcaro | sciboy: details, details. |
| 08:35.44 | Henk | nator: Then once you do this you should be prompted to boot to either windows or linux. /dev/hda1 or /dev/hda2 |
| 08:36.11 | dondelelcaro | Yan^: I haven't dealt specifically with that motherboard, but you'll be hardpressed to have issues with it. But check out your manufacturer's website by all means. |
| 08:36.12 | nator | henk hrmm don't get that, BUT is this becuase both partitions are not set to BOOTABLE :)? |
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| 08:36.37 | Henk | nator: do fdisk hda1 or whatever |
| 08:36.47 | Yan^ | dondelelcaro: the processor is AMD Duron 701, windows 98 |
| 08:36.48 | Henk | nator: Make your hda2 bootable then. |
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| 08:37.04 | dondelelcaro | Yan^: the shuttle website. What your processor is matters not. |
| 08:37.19 | nator | henk ok well will take a few min to check it all out will be back in awhile thanks for the help henk, ikaurus. |
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| 08:37.38 | Henk | fdisk /dev/hda |
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| 08:37.47 | Henk | verfiy that your linux partition is bootable. |
| 08:37.51 | Henk | * |
| 08:37.53 | nator | don't us cfdisk? |
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| 08:38.01 | sciboy | Anyone know any good inspirational text sites? (Preferably something to do with computers, fiction or art.) |
| 08:38.15 | sciboy | I am out of ideas on stuff to work on :P |
| 08:38.24 | dondelelcaro | sciboy: you asked that already... but if you're looking for text, check out gutenburg. Specifically the poe collection. |
| 08:38.26 | Henk | nator: cfdisk? |
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| 08:38.38 | Henk | same shit. |
| 08:38.46 | nator | ok brb. |
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| 08:39.13 | Yan^ | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot |
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| 08:42.09 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> kerneldos fixed in 2.6.7 | READ THE FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki | READ THE BTS (/msg dpkg bts) | Paste in #flood NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg gnome settings daemon | BORKED: anything that depends on libcurl #252442; nautilus in testing (until capplets propogates) | /msg dpkg gnome2.6 | Debian is not Knoppix. | spambots got you down? /msg dpkg nospambot |
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| 08:42.52 | dondelelcaro | diff: shrink kerneldos; nautilus in testing is borked (capplet dependency missing) [but then, no one here is using that PoS, are they?] |
| 08:43.10 | simonrvn | not moi |
| 08:44.56 | tuxscent | <tuxscent> Hi. I'am trying to have remote Xs... In the X server computer I do not have root access and I want to allow a remote machine to connect to my X server in :1. I use xhost +ip to add the remote machine... and seems to add it to the control access lists... but X server doesn't seem to notice it... it rejects it. I suppose xhost... as I am an user doesn't work correctly. And I will also tell you that in the client part of the X... gnome-s |
| 08:44.57 | tuxscent | ession thro |
| 08:44.57 | tuxscent | <tuxscent> ws an error adrian15@Titan:~$ gnome-session |
| 08:44.57 | tuxscent | <tuxscent> Xlib: connection to "155.210.68.136:1.0" refused by server |
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| 08:45.36 | captainwinky | cafuego, ? i don't seem to be able to find 'enable dma by default'. the closest thing i can find is '[ ] Enable DMA only for disks'. ??? |
| 08:45.57 | tuxscent | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:46.00 | dondelelcaro | tuxscent: please don't paste here. |
| 08:46.01 | jm_ | tuxscent: you need to let X server listen on given tcp port for remote connections to work, and are you sure it's using foo:1 as its DISPLAY ? |
| 08:46.30 | tuxscent | dondelelcaro: But has not the debianbot deleted my previous flood message? |
| 08:46.42 | dondelelcaro | tuxscent: no. |
| 08:46.53 | tuxscent | jm_: I'm sure about the DISPLAY variable. |
| 08:47.17 | jm_ | tuxscent: then make sure it's listening on proper port and that remote client has access to it |
| 08:47.27 | tuxscent | jm_: How do I let X to listen in a given tcp port? Can I do it with no root privilegies? |
| 08:47.42 | uws | tuxscent: Using GDM? it will disable TCP by default |
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| 08:47.51 | jm_ | tuxscent: no, unless root has configured it so, you could always use Xnest though |
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| 08:48.41 | jm_ | well either that or start X server yourself |
| 08:48.43 | tuxscent | I'll take a look for Xnest in google. |
| 08:48.51 | tuxscent | jm_: Yes... I start X myself. |
| 08:48.56 | jm_ | tuxscent: how ? |
| 08:48.59 | tuxscent | jm_: Beside the already started X server. |
| 08:49.05 | tuxscent | jm_: With X :1 |
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| 08:49.13 | trezar | hi |
| 08:49.17 | jm_ | tuxscent: ok, then it's most likely listening |
| 08:49.22 | trezar | try to install kde on woody |
| 08:49.32 | trezar | I have added this on sources.lis |
| 08:49.33 | trezar | t |
| 08:49.41 | trezar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.48 | jm_ | trezar: #debian-kde |
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| 08:50.03 | trezar | jm_ : nobody answer :( |
| 08:50.11 | simonrvn | then wait |
| 08:50.20 | trezar | Failed to fetch http://download.kde.org/stable/3.2/Debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found |
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| 08:50.28 | jm_ | trezar: well it's not likely someone in here will know - these are not official Debian packages |
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| 08:50.50 | tuxscent | jm_: The X server gives me the followin error: AUDIT X Client reject from ip 141.33.4.3 port 33379 |
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| 08:50.54 | trezar | yes |
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| 08:51.09 | jm_ | tuxscent: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 08:51.11 | fluxbox | hi, im trying to find the package that has python bindings for gnome-vfs |
| 08:51.20 | fluxbox | ne1 knows what particular package? |
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| 08:54.05 | fluxbox | i cant seem to locate it |
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| 08:55.34 | spoofer | fluxbox: did you use apt-cache to search for it? |
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| 08:55.52 | nator | henk no luck :( when making both partitions bootable it just boots winxp. |
| 08:56.07 | hygl | is there a fix for #254923 ? |
| 08:56.12 | fluxbox | yes spoofer |
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| 08:56.22 | nator | when i set it to boot just hda2 i DO get the lilo prompt pressing ctrl gives me the option only to boot the linux image. |
| 08:56.26 | fluxbox | spoofer: there's no python bindings, only ruby's |
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| 08:56.42 | spoofer | fluxbox: python-gnome2 - Python bindings for the Gnome 2 desktop environment |
| 08:56.56 | fluxbox | i need the vfs |
| 08:57.14 | fluxbox | im trying to run starter-bar from gdesklets, ive alson installed the sensor |
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| 08:57.40 | nator | when setting bootable hda1 all i get is a MBR |
| 08:57.40 | nator | MBR prompt. |
| 08:57.40 | nator | ugghhhh |
| 08:57.56 | spoofer | fluxbox: give me a sec, I also use gdesklets and I had the same problem... |
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| 08:58.10 | spoofer | I have that package installed fluxbox |
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| 08:58.28 | nator | i think i have to get lilo to boot from hda1, but do i change the boot = /dev/hda2 to boot = /dev/hda1 ?? |
| 08:58.33 | Henk | nator: Doesn't sound like you are using lilo correctly. |
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| 08:58.59 | nator | henk. your prolly right, i haven't found a decent guide on it.. |
| 08:59.16 | Henk | nator: When you type 'lilo' as root what happens? |
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| 08:59.25 | jm_ | nator: don't go changing things arround randomly |
| 08:59.31 | nator | uhhh... never done that one.. |
| 08:59.33 | Henk | It should say something to the effect as "Added Linux" |
| 08:59.34 | Henk | etc. |
| 08:59.36 | Henk | dude |
| 08:59.39 | nator | jm heh, sorry i'm getting frustrated.. |
| 08:59.39 | Henk | You need to run lilo |
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| 08:59.54 | fluxbox | spoofer: which package |
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| 09:00.00 | nator | i have been running it via dpkg -i lilopackage.deb |
| 09:00.09 | thoreauputic | nator: if you don't run lilo nothing will work |
| 09:00.10 | nator | and deleting the old configs. |
| 09:00.11 | spoofer | fluxbox: I'm looking for it.. a sec :-) |
| 09:00.21 | fluxbox | spoofer: aight, kewl |
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| 09:04.22 | spoofer | fluxbox: according to synaptic I have those different packages installed with vfs: gnome-vfs-extras, gstreamer0.8-gnomevfs, libgnome-vfs0, libgnomevfs2.0 libgnomevfs2.0-common ans libgnome-vfs-common. I can't remember which one gives the python bindings, but my starter bar works |
| 09:05.15 | fluxbox | aight |
| 09:05.20 | fluxbox | ill install em 1 by 1 |
| 09:05.35 | spoofer | good luck |
| 09:05.48 | captainwinky | bbl :) |
| 09:05.52 | fluxbox | thanks spoofer |
| 09:06.24 | spoofer | beuark ;-) |
| 09:06.38 | fluxbox | lol |
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| 09:09.49 | pro | does anyone know how clamav-milter actually works on debian, i have installed and configured it, and i think its running but eicar test virus still gets through |
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| 09:10.21 | pro | or does anyone have an easy soloution to cut spam and viruses out of email that is free to use? |
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| 09:10.34 | reiffert | I boot the woody installer via network (tftpboot.img). I mount root.bin via initrd. I created a new initrd image and put the extractet drivers from drivers.tgz to the right location. How can I tell the installer, that the modules are at the right place? |
| 09:10.38 | Henk | Can someone help me with a routing issue? |
| 09:10.40 | rich_ | Hello |
| 09:10.49 | Ikarus_ | pro: UTSL |
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| 09:11.37 | pro | henk, yeah, whats the issue? |
| 09:11.50 | pro | Ikarus_ UTSL? |
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| 09:12.07 | Henk | pro: Mind if I paste my routing table? #flood? |
| 09:12.13 | Tino | Hi could someone give the Command line for "Konsole" in KDE Menu editor ? |
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| 09:12.41 | Ikarus_ | apt, tell pro about UTSL |
| 09:12.55 | Ikarus_ | uhrm |
| 09:12.57 | Ikarus_ | that one is wrong |
| 09:12.58 | Ikarus_ | grmbl |
| 09:13.20 | Ikarus_ | pro: Use The Search Luke, in this case probably google |
| 09:13.25 | thoreauputic | Tino: erm... konsole |
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| 09:13.49 | thoreauputic | Tino: that's the command to start konsole I believe |
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| 09:14.16 | pro | Ikarus_ ok, i get it, but what if you cant read the source? |
| 09:14.18 | thoreauputic | Tino: lower case "k", of course |
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| 09:14.45 | Tino | héhé |
| 09:14.58 | Tino | I put Konsole and it did strange results |
| 09:15.10 | Tino | thanks |
| 09:15.13 | thoreauputic | not Konsole, "konsole" |
| 09:15.27 | Tino | my first time with graphic environment |
| 09:15.31 | Tino | nice |
| 09:15.34 | thoreauputic | Tino: *nix is case-sensitive |
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| 09:15.39 | tuxscent | jm_: I have a problem. I've deleted my home .Xauthority. Is there any way to generate a default Xauthority (with localhost permissions) file in order to make my X work in a normal way. I now can't open any more X apps. |
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| 09:16.29 | jm_ | tuxscent: start X server with startx and it will be created again |
| 09:16.37 | rich_ | tuxscent Im not sure but I think it gets recreated when you start x. I know it gets changed periodically. |
| 09:16.49 | jm_ | tuxscent: or mess with xauth manually |
| 09:16.55 | jm_ | it's pretty simple |
| 09:16.57 | xerophyte | does anybody know which get the packet first snort or iptables? |
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| 09:17.46 | escapor | Hey, my apt is removiung 'x-window-system' is this package needed for X ? |
| 09:17.50 | jm_ | no |
| 09:18.07 | escapor | jm_, were you answering me ? |
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| 09:18.11 | jm_ | escapor: yes |
| 09:18.17 | escapor | jm_, so what is that package ? |
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| 09:18.25 | jm_ | escapor: apt-cache show will tell you |
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| 09:18.44 | iceyp | how can i delete this arp i added... |
| 09:18.44 | iceyp | ip-210-55-15-197.ipn.orcon.net.nz (210.55.15.197) at * PERM PUP on wlan0 |
| 09:18.47 | escapor | k |
| 09:18.50 | iceyp | mit:~# arp --delete 210.55.15.197 |
| 09:18.50 | iceyp | SIOCDARP(pub): No such file or directory |
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| 09:21.24 | Abnix | can someone tell me how I upgrade kernels the debian way? |
| 09:21.36 | Abnix | Please? |
| 09:21.50 | escapor | Abnix, compiling yourself ? or getting an image ? |
| 09:22.07 | streuner_ | Abnix: /msg dpkg newbiedoc |
| 09:22.12 | streuner_ | Abnix: /msg dpkg kp |
| 09:22.36 | streuner_ | Abnix: or just run apt-get install kernel-image-2.x.x-CPU |
| 09:22.46 | streuner_ | if you have sarge or sid installed... |
| 09:23.02 | escapor | Abnix: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.html |
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| 09:23.22 | Abnix | last time I tried compiling a kernel myself I had to wait two days and send a lot of emails to get the machine rebooted to another kernel and then they rebvooted the wrong machine. |
| 09:23.39 | Abnix | so i figured I'd setup a debian rig here at home and try |
| 09:23.47 | crosswound | anyone know how to completely disable the taskbar in kde? |
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| 09:23.55 | newuser83 | Hi. How can I install woody an a server mit 3ware SATA-controller? cf24-kernel dont' support SATA? Have you any hint |
| 09:23.58 | streuner_ | Abnix: it always a good idea to have a rescue CD or floppy handy ;-) |
| 09:24.00 | Abnix | well after a week of fighting it and a crowbar and a new bootloader, I did finally get updated |
| 09:24.21 | xerophyte | I I wanna install debian and gentoo one box, can i use one swap partion for both distro? |
| 09:24.27 | streuner_ | Abnix: so its better to not upgrade your kernel? |
| 09:24.31 | Abnix | streuner_: hey there brian child, I'm in Chicago, the machine is in California. |
| 09:24.43 | RighteousJester | high all, I am tad bit new to apt-get. I want to install k3b using apt-get anad i can't seem to get it write. could someone give me the right syntax |
| 09:24.54 | Abnix | it's umm *really* hard for me to insert a boot cd |
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| 09:25.23 | SEP | xerophyte, i cant see why not, as long as both distros format the swap in the same way |
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| 09:26.21 | streuner_ | Abnix: dude, you blame others when you make mistakes. |
| 09:26.21 | escapor | xerophyte, but I would not try "suspend" if you don't knwo what you're doing |
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| 09:26.27 | Abnix | so, really, say I wanted to upgrade kernels, what command do I put in? |
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| 09:26.29 | itom | hi all; I've installed in Woody apache+php+postgresql and I can't login in phppgamdin; how to know user and password or create new user in postgres phppgamdin? |
| 09:26.41 | SEP | newuser83, i dont think there is a diferenc in the sata/ata driver for the 3ware. it's the 3w-xxxx anyway . and i do belive the bf24 supported that |
| 09:26.46 | streuner_ | Abnix: i already told you |
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| 09:27.00 | kuru | is there anywhere I can find a tomcat5 deb package? |
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| 09:27.04 | jm_ | itom: check /usr/share/doc/phppgamdin |
| 09:27.04 | Abnix | 04:22 <streuner_> Abnix: /msg dpkg newbiedoc |
| 09:27.04 | Abnix | 04:22 <streuner_> Abnix: /msg dpkg kp |
| 09:27.15 | Abnix | YOU sitr told me nothing of the answer I seek |
| 09:27.15 | streuner_ | Abnix: read newbiedoc and some LILO docs. |
| 09:27.15 | jm_ | itom: and /usr/share/doc/postgresql |
| 09:27.37 | Abnix | I just wanna know, apt-get what ? |
| 09:27.39 | streuner_ | Abnix: how can you know it, if you don't even read that? |
| 09:27.41 | streuner_ | :-) |
| 09:27.47 | vorsprung | my debian box got hacked :( |
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| 09:28.06 | streuner_ | vorsprung: how do you know that? |
| 09:28.07 | Abnix | cuz I mean, 'Advanced package tool' should be able to do things right...? |
| 09:28.14 | SEP | Abnix, apt-get install kernel-image-version-you want |
| 09:28.24 | Abnix | !! |
| 09:28.24 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
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| 09:28.28 | Abnix | thank you! |
| 09:28.29 | streuner_ | Abnix: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 09:28.34 | SEP | then remember to make sure you have initrd=/initrd.img in your lilo.conf and rerun lilo |
| 09:28.45 | jm_ | I bet it will fail, but do'nt come bother us |
| 09:28.55 | SEP | the apt-get install kernelimage will print some info _read_ it carepuly |
| 09:28.59 | Abnix | of course it'll fail |
| 09:29.11 | TimMosley | hey guys, i have a small wlan here at home and the driver for my atheros based card works fine, i even can assign the interface to an access point. The problem is, however, that the D-Link access point runs dhcp and i can't get it assign dynamically an IP address to the interface. any help will be appreciated. |
| 09:29.17 | vorsprung | streuner_, of our users had a key logger installed on his hosts. They got his secret key. They logged in. We noticed /var/logs had been vandalised. chkrootkit found various bits of crap |
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| 09:29.25 | SEP | if you dont edit lilo.conf or fail to rerun lilo afterwards it will fail |
| 09:29.39 | streuner_ | vorsprung: reinstall |
| 09:29.55 | vorsprung | streuner_, yep. The host is halted now. The isp will reinstall asap |
| 09:30.11 | newuser83 | SEP: I thougt the kernel don't support SATA at all in bf24? How can I try without formating my old installation :) |
| 09:30.11 | Ikarus_ | TimMosley: try switching DHCP clients, some servers don't like pump, some don't like dhclient |
| 09:30.12 | SEP | when you have changed to a kernel-image once you dont need to rerun lila at later upgrades. just apt-get install kernel-image and it will even run lilo for you |
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| 09:30.32 | vorsprung | streuner_, i don't see what we could have done any different to prevent it |
| 09:30.35 | SEP | newuser83, the 3ware cards support sata, and to linux the 3ware card looks like scai |
| 09:30.38 | SEP | scsi |
| 09:30.40 | TimMosley | Ikarus_: ok, trying |
| 09:30.52 | vorsprung | streuner_, once a bad guy has a shell you are screwed |
| 09:30.58 | SEP | ie the linux kernel wont be aware of sata presense at all |
| 09:31.15 | itom | jm_: thanks, I found the docs |
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| 09:31.30 | newuser83 | SEP: ah, ok, I understand :) ok, then I will try that. its an 3w-7000 |
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| 09:32.30 | SEP | if you ahve installed the card, you can modprobe 3w-xxxx |
| 09:32.38 | SEP | and see in dmesg if if found your raid array |
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| 09:36.22 | hacki_ | how could i do a workaround for my broken k and i keys? in screen i can use ^a something and bind "stuff i" and k to it. of course this does not work when not in screen. (dunno if this is the right place to ask but no idea where to as instead) |
| 09:36.41 | hacki_ | (i |
| 09:36.46 | SlayerXP | hacki_: buy a new keybaord? |
| 09:36.47 | hacki_ | -$_ |
| 09:36.49 | SlayerXP | board |
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| 09:36.59 | hacki_ | SlayerXP: its a notebook |
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| 09:37.15 | escapor | hacki_, can't you replace the keyboard of your notebook ? |
| 09:37.15 | hacki_ | buying a new keyboard for it would be too expensive |
| 09:37.16 | jm_ | hacki_: xkeysw |
| 09:37.19 | escapor | k |
| 09:37.32 | escapor | jm_, but that's only for x, no ? |
| 09:37.47 | jm_ | hacki_: or xvkbd |
| 09:37.55 | jm_ | escapor: you can also change it for console |
| 09:37.59 | escapor | k |
| 09:38.01 | escapor | o |
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| 09:39.19 | Abnix | ...so what do I have to have in my sources.list to gain access to the new 2.6.7 kern? |
| 09:39.32 | Abnix | apt-get update isn't getting me any closer than 2.6.6 |
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| 09:39.46 | hacki_ | i use screen at all times when on the console, so that would not be a problem |
| 09:39.58 | zimnyx | does `apache-modconf apache' works for you in ncurses interface ? i dunno if it was changed, or some error causes that for me it only works from command line (no ncurses interface) ? |
| 09:40.03 | streuner_ | Abnix: i would use 2.2.x kernels for servers... |
| 09:40.26 | solid | hello, i installed debian sarga with 2.6.6 kernel and its work fine but without desktop anyone can help me? |
| 09:40.38 | streuner_ | Abnix: only when you really need 2.6.x kernels i would use 2.6.x kernels for servers then... |
| 09:40.48 | zimnyx | solid: you have to install some deskop, for example gnome2 . |
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| 09:41.10 | [martin-H] | good morning |
| 09:41.11 | zimnyx | solid: do you have X installed ? |
| 09:41.12 | solid | zimnyx: how? |
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| 09:41.21 | solid | i dont know :| |
| 09:41.24 | zimnyx | solid: are you newbie to debian ? |
| 09:41.28 | solid | how i can check |
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| 09:41.32 | solid | yeah |
| 09:41.45 | Gil | Has anybody experienced problems with KDE's ALT-TAB with unstable? |
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| 09:41.55 | Abnix | streuner_: now a valid reason for that I *gotta* hear |
| 09:41.56 | escapor | solid, run 'tasksel' and install the X-server with it ... then install gnome with "apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 09:42.00 | Gil | As of the last 24 hours? |
| 09:42.02 | zimnyx | solid: debain package manegement is simple - i'll give you a link to some tutor. |
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| 09:42.51 | zimnyx | solid: here about installing/removing software http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement |
| 09:43.20 | [martin-H] | very simple zimnyx but by some reason i cannot remove some kde programs without removing all kde |
| 09:43.27 | zimnyx | solid: here you got all stuff you would need to know http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/FrontPage |
| 09:43.28 | captainwinky | cafuego, if you're still around. dma seems to be working now, and the difference that you said would be ten times seems to be even more than ten times. (maybe 10.2 times ;). thanks very much for your help :). i appreciate it |
| 09:44.14 | zimnyx | [martin-H]: it's normal if KDE depends on that programs that you want to remove... |
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| 09:44.37 | solid | thanx |
| 09:44.45 | [martin-H] | yes, but im not talking about libs or kde vital programs |
| 09:44.56 | cahoot | Abnix: excuse the inrvention but wouldn't the relative instability of 2.6.x (see topic) and your worries re kernel installs be reasons enough? |
| 09:44.58 | [martin-H] | im talking about the ksirc, for example |
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| 09:45.06 | zimnyx | solid: do what escapor told you. |
| 09:45.24 | jm_ | cahoot: the same bug is also in 2.4 kernel |
| 09:46.17 | zimnyx | [martin-H]: i can't help you if ksirc depends on KDE... |
| 09:46.19 | cahoot | jm_: well the probability of yet unknown bugs would be higher in 2.6.x still? |
| 09:46.27 | jm_ | cahoot: definitely |
| 09:46.47 | zimnyx | jm_: hello |
| 09:46.48 | [martin-H] | zimnyx, ksirc is a simple irc client and i dont know why you cannot simply uninstall it |
| 09:46.56 | jm_ | zimnyx: czesc |
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| 09:47.22 | zimnyx | [martin-H]: because you got *k*sirc which means that it's a part of KDE ? |
| 09:47.47 | jm_ | [martin-H]: it should tell you why it removes something |
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| 09:48.04 | escapor | [martin-H], I'll hope you'll succeed with gnome cus KDE sucks seed ;) |
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| 09:48.42 | [martin-H] | no clue jm_ |
| 09:48.44 | zimnyx | jm_: if you don't like such obese deskop, give up KDE. |
| 09:48.53 | jm_ | zimnyx: I never used it |
| 09:48.59 | zimnyx | ups. |
| 09:49.05 | [martin-H] | i like kde, a lot indeed |
| 09:49.08 | zimnyx | [martin-H]: if you don't like such obese deskop, give up KDE. |
| 09:49.09 | escapor | Gil, I don't see why to lovve it ;) |
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| 09:49.22 | Guerin | KDE is a great desktop, for what it is |
| 09:49.28 | Gil | escapor: because its the curvy blonde of the desktops! |
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| 09:49.38 | bodq | hello. what's up with kerneltraffic.org ? |
| 09:49.41 | [martin-H] | but i dont understand why it doesnt let me uninstall some apps |
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| 09:49.49 | zimnyx | [martin-H]: so you should start being in love with ksirc also :P |
| 09:49.54 | [martin-H] | hehe |
| 09:49.55 | jm_ | bodq: nothing |
| 09:49.56 | Guerin | if you've got the hardware for it, it's great |
| 09:49.57 | [martin-H] | no way |
| 09:50.08 | Guerin | most kde app are shit though |
| 09:50.08 | escapor | Gil, and gnome is the babe that I want though ;) |
| 09:50.20 | tuxscent | jm_: Could you please repeat me the /msg dpkg message about the mit-cookie-magic or something similar? Thanks. |
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| 09:50.23 | escapor | Gil, as those blonds are supposed to be dumb ;) |
| 09:50.28 | [martin-H] | too many apps i dont use are too many resources for my laptop |
| 09:50.30 | jm_ | tuxscent: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
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| 09:50.40 | Gil | escapor: I see, one of those intelligent types :) |
| 09:50.52 | solid | escapor, i type tasksel but i got "no tasks in this system" |
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| 09:51.11 | zimnyx | [martin-H]: are you aware of the facts that some packages *REQIURE* others? ant there's no way to remove it without removing dependencies using apt-get remove. |
| 09:51.11 | jm_ | solid: apt-cache search gnome desktop |
| 09:51.11 | escapor | there are just too many dum apps for KDE If one app lacks afeature .. someone starts to create a new one that does the smae stuff but has that one more feature, but lacks others.. |
| 09:51.21 | tuxscent | jm_: Thank you ;) |
| 09:51.27 | [martin-H] | yes i know zimnyx |
| 09:51.31 | jm_ | [martin-H]: you mean it removes "kde" package ? |
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| 09:51.47 | hacki_ | jm_: i did not understand xkeysw, but can live with xvkbd; thanks for your help |
| 09:51.51 | escapor | solid, did you set up your apt ? |
| 09:51.51 | [martin-H] | but, i dont know why all kde depends of ksirc if you ask me |
| 09:51.53 | zimnyx | [martin-H]: so try to find out what;s going on by yourself |
| 09:51.57 | [martin-H] | yes |
| 09:52.00 | jm_ | hacki_: xkeysw is teh rock ;) |
| 09:52.05 | escapor | solid, it should work after a normal setup of debian though |
| 09:52.06 | solid | escapor i dont think so |
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| 09:52.12 | [martin-H] | jm_, yes, thats what apt-get remove ksirc spits |
| 09:52.22 | jm_ | [martin-H]: ignore that, it's just a meta package |
| 09:52.34 | [martin-H] | sure?¿ |
| 09:52.34 | solid | or maybe apt is not working? |
| 09:52.34 | rich_ | I like fvwm. Its small but I cant say its the smallest. It has nice features but I cant say it has everything. All I can say is its just a good fit. |
| 09:52.42 | [martin-H] | no apt is working |
| 09:52.42 | jm_ | [martin-H]: it removes it because it depends on kdenetwork, which depends on ksirc - but both are just meta packages |
| 09:52.45 | [martin-H] | :D |
| 09:52.59 | [martin-H] | yes jm_ |
| 09:53.04 | zimnyx | [martin-H]: maybe try to remove ot and find out if KDE still works for you. maybe you loose all applications like ksirc, konsole, etc, but KDE will still work, but i'm afraid that is not what you want. |
| 09:53.05 | escapor | solid, how did you set up pat ? |
| 09:53.05 | [martin-H] | thats the pount |
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| 09:53.23 | [martin-H] | yes zimnyx |
| 09:53.35 | jm_ | so why are you complaining then ? it works fine and it won't remove anything useful from your system |
| 09:53.42 | solid | escapor, i put the cd and i set the partition and automatic setup... |
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| 09:53.50 | SlayerXP | http://funroll-loops.org/ |
| 09:53.54 | zimnyx | jm_: are you gonna install sid some day ? |
| 09:53.57 | hacki_ | jm_: i'm kinda ill, i'll try to understand xkeysw when healthy(?) again :) |
| 09:53.58 | jm_ | zimnyx: no |
| 09:54.05 | zimnyx | jm_: why ? |
| 09:54.12 | escapor | solid, so apt is configured to install stuff from your cd |
| 09:54.15 | jm_ | zimnyx: because I can't be arsed fixing things when they break |
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| 09:54.31 | solid | escapor how to install apt? |
| 09:54.31 | dragosh | does any of you use openwebmail, the backported version from people.debian.org/~srua/ ? |
| 09:54.38 | escapor | solid, what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? (teel me how it looks like.. don't paste everythong please) |
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| 09:54.48 | zimnyx | jm_: do you run some productive server ? |
| 09:54.54 | rm-Rf | how do i change the email of root? |
| 09:54.57 | jm_ | zimnyx: it's my workstation at work |
| 09:55.01 | escapor | solid, apt should be installed if you did a normal install |
| 09:55.05 | ebcdic | i'm trying to turn my old pentium pc into a router, is there a way i can do this with knoppix ? |
| 09:55.05 | [martin-H] | is there a ntinst for sid? |
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| 09:55.08 | solid | escapor i'm on windows now i have to restart my pc and join debian |
| 09:55.19 | raphael | jm: i did a fsck and it said it was clean, badblock man suggests you dont run it by itself ? |
| 09:55.22 | zimnyx | jm_: i see. like mine, but in home. i work in home so it;s the same :P |
| 09:55.25 | [martin-H] | well, i have a bug for the sarge ntinst |
| 09:55.25 | jm_ | ebcdic: better use distributions made exaclty for this purpose |
| 09:55.31 | [martin-H] | by the way XD |
| 09:55.38 | ebcdic | what r some jm_? |
| 09:55.39 | zimnyx | jm_: you can always chroot.. |
| 09:55.44 | jm_ | raphael: you can run it, but make sure nothing is mounted - as for using RW mode, it's up to you |
| 09:55.59 | solid | escapor tell me how to join web browser i have to download irc program |
| 09:56.02 | escapor | solid, how did you type "tasksel" two minutes ago when you were on windows ? |
| 09:56.06 | jm_ | zimnyx: naah, don't need it, I'm happy with Woody install for now |
| 09:56.08 | zimnyx | who runs sid with apache in here? |
| 09:56.18 | jm_ | ebcdic: shorewall, LRP successor, look on freshmeat |
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| 09:56.40 | ebcdic | k, thx |
| 09:56.50 | [martin-H] | i see escapor is making the version day |
| 09:56.52 | [martin-H] | XD |
| 09:56.53 | solid | escapor yup i restart it again :) |
| 09:57.11 | escapor | [martin-H], ? |
| 09:57.12 | zimnyx | jm_: it's lacking new software.. in my case. |
| 09:57.25 | zimnyx | nevermind,. |
| 09:57.26 | solid | escapor i will install BitchX program now, wait i will join there from my db system ok? |
| 09:57.37 | escapor | solid, ok |
| 09:57.48 | [martin-H] | i think you asked for solid's version |
| 09:57.55 | [martin-H] | nevermind |
| 09:58.14 | [martin-H] | any who has a toshiba laptop |
| 09:58.33 | [martin-H] | and uses the accupoint mouse |
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| 09:58.53 | escapor | If I understand it right, this solid guy boots windows, asks a question, reboots to debian.. boots again to windows to ask another question ;/ |
| 09:59.02 | zimnyx | jm_: i see:) |
| 09:59.06 | [martin-H] | hehe |
| 09:59.20 | [martin-H] | hmm, better use vmware |
| 09:59.25 | jm_ | zimnyx: the only other word I know is dupa :) |
| 09:59.28 | nicholas | Hi. I just upgraded to gnome 2.6 (testing, via dist-upgrade). Nautilus now doesn't know about any icons, it uses the plain sheet of paper for everything (Wastebasket, Computer, etc. etc.) |
| 09:59.34 | [martin-H] | hehe xoz |
| 09:59.34 | Guerin | [martin-H]: I have a toshi |
| 09:59.35 | jm_ | well and kurwa |
| 09:59.35 | arnau | [martin-H]> bochs ? :) |
| 09:59.43 | Guerin | [martin-H]: it's probably olde rthan yours though |
| 09:59.44 | [martin-H] | too slow |
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| 09:59.56 | [martin-H] | bet Guerin |
| 09:59.58 | arnau | nicholas> it seems that a lot of people have this problem today... |
| 10:00.03 | jm_ | nicholas: topic |
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| 10:00.05 | [martin-H] | mine is a satellite pro 4600 |
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| 10:00.07 | tuxscent | Hola |
| 10:00.08 | arnau | [martin-H]> too slow but free... :P |
| 10:00.17 | Guerin | [martin-H]: mine is a tecra 8000 |
| 10:00.23 | [martin-H] | sure arnau |
| 10:00.29 | xoz | gnome 2.6 has still some issues.... be patient |
| 10:00.30 | nicholas | jm: I had a look at the FAQ page, is that what you mean? |
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| 10:00.35 | [martin-H] | how did you install the accupoint? |
| 10:00.42 | Guerin | [martin-H]: mine has a higher model number, so I win |
| 10:00.48 | [martin-H] | i have readen that using hotplug |
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| 10:00.51 | [martin-H] | hehe |
| 10:00.57 | jm_ | nicholas: no, BORKED: #252442; nautilus in testing (until capplets propogates) |
| 10:01.09 | [martin-H] | no, mine is first, and i win |
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| 10:01.10 | nicholas | xoz: np :-) I don't use nautilus anywya, just thought I might have to install something extra. |
| 10:01.30 | nicholas | jm: oh yeah, sorry. I missed that in my reading. |
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| 10:01.41 | [martin-H] | well, Guerin, how did you get it working |
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| 10:02.04 | Guerin | [martin-H]: I haven't bothered setting up the trackpoint this time - I had it up earlier, but it's deskbound until I get a new battery, so no need |
| 10:02.17 | [martin-H] | oops |
| 10:02.22 | [martin-H] | pity |
| 10:02.32 | [martin-H] | any other toshiba user?? |
| 10:02.40 | Guerin | [martin-H]: IIRC, it just uses a standard mouse protocol, something like ps/2 - on /dev/input/mice |
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| 10:02.42 | jm_ | I have toshiba cd-rom :) |
| 10:02.44 | xoz | nicholas: in debian testing? |
| 10:02.51 | nicholas | xoz: I'm in testing, yeah. |
| 10:02.59 | [martin-H] | jm_, |
| 10:03.21 | xoz | nicholas: wait until unstable is uploaded to testing... mine works in unstable |
| 10:03.25 | [martin-H] | well guerin |
| 10:03.25 | Guerin | [martin-H]: have you googled? Checked tumobil.org? |
| 10:03.30 | [martin-H] | i had |
| 10:03.33 | Guerin | tuxmobil.org |
| 10:04.00 | nicholas | xoz: well, I already upgraded. I'll just keep doing dist-upgrade each day like normal and I guess it'll sort itself out :-) |
| 10:04.15 | xoz | nicholas: yup. |
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| 10:04.35 | xoz | nicholas: but sometimes, you have to get rid of the old config in .gnome |
| 10:04.36 | [martin-H] | yes, it says something about ps/2 and /dev/input/mice, but it also says that there is a common problem with using an usb and the accupoint at the same time |
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| 10:04.50 | [martin-H] | but, i dont understand how to resolve it |
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| 10:04.59 | [martin-H] | im a little newbie |
| 10:05.12 | xoz | how little? |
| 10:05.15 | nicholas | xoz: that's true. I'll login as a test user to see what a fresh config gets me |
| 10:05.17 | Guerin | [martin-H]: might be worth asking peterS - he's the local mouse guru |
| 10:05.18 | [martin-H] | bit |
| 10:05.20 | [martin-H] | XD |
| 10:05.25 | seeS | I got an IDE CDRW, kernel 2.6 and I cannot get cdrecord to work, any suggestions? |
| 10:05.28 | [martin-H] | peterrrrr |
| 10:05.40 | [martin-H] | hahaha |
| 10:05.41 | Guerin | seeS: more information |
| 10:05.42 | jm_ | seeS: ask mind readers for some |
| 10:06.05 | Guerin | quickk, someone administer CPR to peterS |
| 10:06.14 | [martin-H] | well, in fact im a one month linux user |
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| 10:06.20 | peterS | hehe |
| 10:06.21 | [martin-H] | and 3 days debianer |
| 10:06.23 | solid | cant install BitchX no gcc and c compliter :( |
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| 10:06.32 | peterS | [martin-H]: I may or may not be of any help. what's the problem exactly? |
| 10:06.46 | Guerin | solid: no gcc AND no c compiler |
| 10:06.50 | Guerin | solid: amazing |
| 10:06.57 | solid | lol |
| 10:06.58 | solid | yeah |
| 10:06.58 | peterS | [martin-H]: also, you're on a time limit. I'm supposed to be working hard right now trying to get something else done |
| 10:07.02 | [martin-H] | well, i dont know how to configure my debian for a working accupoint mouse and usb one |
| 10:07.04 | xoz | nicholas: shoot. |
| 10:07.06 | Guerin | solid: I think your bogometer might be misconfigured |
| 10:07.11 | seeS | Guerin: well scanbus shows nothing |
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| 10:07.24 | peterS | [martin-H]: I'm guessing the accupoint is using PS/2 |
| 10:07.26 | [martin-H] | in a toshiba |
| 10:07.28 | [martin-H] | yes |
| 10:07.29 | peterS | [martin-H]: most of them do |
| 10:07.29 | Guerin | seeS: dmesg? |
| 10:07.36 | [martin-H] | i have readen it |
| 10:07.36 | solid | Guerin i think i will crash the cd |
| 10:07.40 | seeS | cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc blah say no such device |
| 10:07.40 | peterS | [martin-H]: so, this is kernel 2.4, right? |
| 10:07.45 | [martin-H] | no, 26 |
| 10:07.47 | rich_ | [martin-H] wow thats great, but dont give up on debian too quickly. It deserves at least a few months |
| 10:07.54 | peterS | [martin-H]: ahh. ok, then it should be pretty easy |
| 10:08.03 | [martin-H] | XD |
| 10:08.04 | peterS | [martin-H]: you need to load a few modules. use 'modconf' if you don't have a better way |
| 10:08.08 | seeS | hdc: MATSHITA CD-RW UJDA360, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 10:08.12 | peterS | [martin-H]: for the PS/2 mouse, load the module "psmouse" |
| 10:08.17 | seeS | Guerin: it does work with ide-scsi |
| 10:08.22 | Guerin | seeS: does it work when you try it as root |
| 10:08.23 | peterS | [martin-H]: for the USB mouse, load the modules "usbhid" |
| 10:08.30 | [martin-H] | i have the usb working |
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| 10:08.37 | peterS | [martin-H]: ah ok |
| 10:08.39 | seeS | except it complains about it being old. i always try it as root |
| 10:08.42 | seeS | damn , must go |
| 10:08.47 | peterS | [martin-H]: so, just load 'psmouse' and it should all just work |
| 10:08.48 | [martin-H] | how to load psmouse |
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| 10:08.54 | peterS | [martin-H]: run "modconf" |
| 10:09.01 | peterS | [martin-H]: navigate to "kernel/drivers/input" |
| 10:09.02 | [martin-H] | aha |
| 10:09.06 | Gandalfar | hello, anyone here recently installed debian to g3 ibook? |
| 10:09.14 | gentle_ | peterS, I'd like to thank you for your help yesterday, X finally works for me :) though it's stuck on the refresh rate 60 >.< |
| 10:09.17 | [martin-H] | well |
| 10:09.21 | peterS | gentle_: good to know (: |
| 10:09.29 | xoz | [martin-H]: modprobe ehci-hcd .... ohci-hcd .... evdev .... uhci-hcd .... |
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| 10:09.40 | peterS | xoz: he says he has the USB side of things working already |
| 10:09.42 | [martin-H] | ? |
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| 10:09.50 | peterS | [martin-H]: ignore all that, you don't need it |
| 10:10.01 | xoz | peterS: ignore it |
| 10:10.12 | [martin-H] | ok |
| 10:10.25 | peterS | [martin-H]: for kernel 2.6, all you should need for the PS/2 mouse (including a toshiba accupoint thing) is the 'psmouse' module |
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| 10:10.32 | peterS | [martin-H]: that is, along with the modules you already have loaded |
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| 10:10.51 | [martin-H] | ok, im on modconf |
| 10:10.53 | xoz | [martin-H]: evdev and psmouse and mousedev |
| 10:11.00 | peterS | xoz: he did that already. thanks. |
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| 10:11.03 | Guerin | damn, peterS, you are a legend |
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| 10:11.09 | Guerin | peterS: it works ! |
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| 10:11.21 | Rawplayer | doh |
| 10:11.23 | Rawplayer | ? |
| 10:11.23 | peterS | Guerin: eh? you were having the same problem? |
| 10:11.39 | Guerin | peterS: well, I just hadn't bothered reading up on how to configure it |
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| 10:11.58 | Grant_ | Can some one give me download link for Full installation on DVD for SARGE? |
| 10:12.00 | [martin-H] | well, im now in kernel/driver/input |
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| 10:12.10 | peterS | [martin-H]: so, load the "psmouse" module that you should see listed there |
| 10:12.10 | [martin-H] | juas |
| 10:12.15 | [martin-H] | no im just me |
| 10:12.23 | Guerin | xoz: nah, I have a tecra 8000, he has a portege something |
| 10:12.29 | [martin-H] | not listed |
| 10:12.33 | xoz | :) |
| 10:12.38 | Rawplayer | '_ |
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| 10:12.41 | Rawplayer | '_) |
| 10:12.47 | [martin-H] | guerin, you are me or im you? |
| 10:12.49 | Grant_ | Can some one give me download link for Full installation on DVD for SARGE??? |
| 10:12.49 | peterS | hmmmmmm |
| 10:12.53 | Grant_ | peterS? |
| 10:12.54 | Grant_ | lol |
| 10:12.59 | Grant_ | Your a smart cookie |
| 10:13.00 | Grant_ | ;) |
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| 10:13.09 | Rawplayer | i have defined in .muttrc mailboxes /home/kevin/Mail/cuci how can i switch to that mailbox when i startup mutt |
| 10:13.21 | jm_ | Rawplayer: read help |
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| 10:13.36 | peterS | [martin-H]: ok, sorry |
| 10:13.49 | [martin-H] | peterS, i dont have the psmouse in that list |
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| 10:13.51 | Guerin | [martin-H]: I don't think I'm you. What time is it there? |
| 10:13.56 | peterS | [martin-H]: I just looked it up. psmouse is under "drivers/input/mouse/", not just "drivers/input/" |
| 10:14.09 | [martin-H] | ok XD |
| 10:14.15 | xoz | [martin-H]: try typing: modprobe psmouse... check lsmod |
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| 10:14.38 | peterS | xoz: I don't think I like your license, btw. |
| 10:14.41 | [martin-H] | hmm |
| 10:15.04 | [martin-H] | it know ask me for a command line argument for the psmouse module |
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| 10:15.13 | peterS | [martin-H]: you don't need one - leave it empty |
| 10:15.19 | [martin-H] | ok |
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| 10:15.39 | [martin-H] | the harddisk is printing |
| 10:15.42 | [martin-H] | wow |
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| 10:16.03 | [martin-H] | IT WORKS!!!!!! |
| 10:16.03 | N1ghtCr4wl3r | someone kwonws howto open chm files (micro$oft) |
| 10:16.06 | peterS | [martin-H]: cool |
| 10:16.10 | [martin-H] | THANKS A LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT |
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| 10:16.17 | peterS | [martin-H]: I now return to my regularly scheduled work (: |
| 10:16.19 | Grant_ | peterS do you know where the sarge full install iso is for DVD? |
| 10:16.21 | jm_ | nightc;there's a tool to read them, but it doesn't always work that well |
| 10:16.27 | [martin-H] | THANKS THANKS THANKS |
| 10:16.33 | ChristianP | hi all |
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| 10:16.36 | peterS | Grant_: if you can't find it from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, then it probably does not exist |
| 10:16.42 | [martin-H] | YOU ARE NOW IN MY CHRISMAS PRESENT LIST |
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| 10:16.56 | Grant_ | peterS thanks :) |
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| 10:16.57 | [martin-H] | thanks |
| 10:16.58 | Grant_ | champion |
| 10:17.04 | peterS | np |
| 10:17.06 | [martin-H] | champion champio |
| 10:17.08 | [martin-H] | XD |
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| 10:17.24 | ChristianP | could you tell me the name of the package for changing date and time in Gnome? |
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| 10:17.39 | HayArms | Hi all |
| 10:18.07 | `Butthead | anyone remember that linked that explained the current 2.4.26 dos problem? |
| 10:18.17 | jm_ | `Butthead: yes |
| 10:18.27 | NetGrunt | Hi! Although this is not a csh scriptting channel (I haven't found one!) maybe someone can help me ... in my ~/.cshrc I have the following line of code : if ( { expr $machine : "node*" > /dev/null } ) then I don't know why it still outputs something to the stdoutput even with the > /dev/null ... does anybody know why and how to solve it ? |
| 10:18.32 | `Butthead | jm_: cool, what is it? |
| 10:18.41 | `Butthead | jm_: the link that is. |
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| 10:18.53 | HayArms | I'd like to change my GTK1 theme under debian to make it more similar to the one I'm using with GTK2 |
| 10:19.10 | HayArms | I'm trying with GTK-theme-switch |
| 10:19.30 | HayArms | But doesn't work :( |
| 10:19.49 | nicholas | xoz: na, fresh user doesn't have many working icons either - both the desktop ones, and the 'show desktop' button on the panel |
| 10:19.57 | HayArms | I can select the theme, see a preview, but when I select Apply nothing happens |
| 10:20.07 | jm_ | `Butthead: http://reviewed.homelinux.org/news/2004-06-11_kernel_crash/index.html.en] |
| 10:20.12 | jm_ | without the ] |
| 10:20.28 | [martin-H] | hey, do you know how to register a nick here? |
| 10:20.33 | `Butthead | jm_: thanks |
| 10:20.38 | xoz | nicholas: i guess they are still broken.... tomorrow or the day after !!! |
| 10:20.40 | Guerin | [martin-H]: /msg nickserv help |
| 10:20.49 | [martin-H] | ok Guerin |
| 10:20.53 | Guerin | [martin-H]: and if you do, please drop the [] |
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| 10:21.06 | [martin-H] | hmm, why? |
| 10:21.07 | Guerin | nicks which start with punctuation are evil and bad |
| 10:21.16 | jm_ | NetGrunt: redirect stderr as well |
| 10:21.18 | HayArms | Someone know a method to change GTK themes to GTK applications? |
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| 10:21.24 | [martin-H] | sure? |
| 10:21.38 | Guerin | HayArms: switch and switch2. You've already found it. |
| 10:21.39 | [martin-H] | didnt know that |
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| 10:21.59 | chimaera | anyone using gamecon.ko (paralellport joystick)? for some reason it does not recognize the required cmd-line parameters anymore when loading. |
| 10:22.09 | NetGrunt | jm_, how can I do that ? I don't remember, sorry :| is it 2> ? |
| 10:22.16 | jm_ | NetGrunt: yes |
| 10:22.20 | [martin-H] | hmm, i had seen and i liked it but didnt know that it was a symbol of bad boys |
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| 10:22.32 | HayArms | <Guerin> HayArms: switch and switch2. You've already found it. >> Yes, but those two don't work |
| 10:22.52 | HayArms | I mean |
| 10:23.01 | HayArms | Switch2 for GTK2 works |
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| 10:23.15 | xoz | NetGrunt: try 2>&1 ... this is in bash... i don't know if this works in Csh... seems that standard error is still directed to stdout |
| 10:23.24 | HayArms | switch for GTK1 gives the problem I've explained |
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| 10:24.43 | moshii | does anyone know how debian's xserver is going to progress? are they going to make their own fork from xfree 4.3 or move to one of the other forks? |
| 10:24.59 | jm_ | moshii: /msg dpkg x in debian ; /msg dpkg x.org |
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| 10:25.30 | moshii | jm; cheers :) |
| 10:25.34 | NetGrunt | xoz, jm_ : wether I try 2> /dev/null or 2>& /dev/null it says : source .cshrc |
| 10:25.34 | NetGrunt | expr: syntax error |
| 10:25.58 | jm_ | NetGrunt: well maybe csh has different syntax, I don't really know it |
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| 10:26.08 | nicholas | hmm... after the gnome 2.6 upgrade in testing, my firefox changes my cursors (xmms does too). Changes from my normal black one, to a white one... |
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| 10:26.57 | nicholas | does anyone know what's happened to xemacs21 in testing? (it's only in stable and unstable, AFAICS) |
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| 10:27.12 | moshii | got another question, what exactly does the 110 meg sarge-i386-netinst.iso from the debian-installer page contain, is it base + other stuff like x or does it just have lots of kernels? |
| 10:27.14 | xoz | NetGrunt: yup... it's a diffrent command then |
| 10:27.33 | jm_ | NetGrunt: according to man csh on Solaris, >& works |
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| 10:28.52 | xoz | NetGrunt: try 2>! /dev/null |
| 10:28.59 | jm_ | nichols;x 4.3 has this feature |
| 10:29.01 | xoz | NetGrunt: try 2>&! /dev/null |
| 10:29.02 | NetGrunt | jm_ : I think it's not a matter of std* redirection ... it looks like somehow, all the info after "node*" gets ignored |
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| 10:29.23 | XpTerminator | Hello |
| 10:29.29 | NetGrunt | because if I try the statement outside the if sentence it works |
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| 10:30.18 | AmyRose | Out of interest, why doesn't debian run the contents of (at least some of) the rcX.d directories in parallel. I just hacked my startup scripts to do just that out of curosity by using a makefile, and it starts much faster now. Is there unforseen bugs I could come across? |
| 10:30.18 | NetGrunt | expr $machine : "node*" > /dev/null (that produces no output) |
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| 10:30.25 | NetGrunt | but if I put it inside the if sentence then it produces the output |
| 10:30.27 | zakame | ehlo again... |
| 10:30.30 | zakame | wazup? |
| 10:30.54 | XpTerminator | [Q] Every time I try to do an apt-get upgrade, I get this error that stops the whole process: "Unpacking replacement drscheme ..." "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/drscheme_1%3a207-2_i386.deb (--unpack):" "trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/plt/collects/icons/plt.xpm', which is also in package mzscheme" "dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)" |
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| 10:31.07 | jm_ | AmyRose: well some things can be run in parallel, some can't, so you need a system with proper handling of such situations |
| 10:31.26 | zakame | is there a faster way to upgrade other than apt-get upgrade and dselect install??? |
| 10:31.34 | AmyRose | At the moment I run everything with the same number, wait till they've all finished, then go to the next number |
| 10:31.44 | AmyRose | zakame: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 10:31.51 | XpTerminator | How do I solve that problem? |
| 10:32.02 | xoz | XpTerminator: try dpkg --configure --pending --force-conflicts |
| 10:32.06 | zakame | AmyRose, faster than that? |
| 10:32.36 | AmyRose | You don't have to watch it :) run it in a terminal and carry on with your life :) |
| 10:32.45 | solid | anyone know how i can install X on sarge debian? |
| 10:32.50 | AmyRose | It takes a while to download stuff :) |
| 10:33.01 | zakame | solid: apt-get -t testing install x-window-system |
| 10:33.03 | jm_ | sold;the answer is yes |
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| 10:33.11 | NetGrunt | xoz, I think it has something to do with the double and single quotes " ' |
| 10:33.42 | xoz | NetGrunt: can you show me the entire command in #flood? |
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| 10:34.07 | NetGrunt | sure thing |
| 10:34.11 | vorsprung | petemc, you there |
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| 10:34.39 | XpTerminator | xoz: It is currently setting up all the others packages.. does this mean the problem is solved? |
| 10:35.16 | solid | zakame why the "-t testing" ? |
| 10:35.39 | AmyRose | My question was going to be is there any standard way of parallelising startup rather than me hacking scripts (which I worry might upset / confuse apt-get / dpkg) |
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| 10:35.47 | zakame | solid: 'coz in my setup testing's not the Default-Release |
| 10:36.01 | jm_ | AmyRose: there are init systems targeted at this |
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| 10:36.57 | Gil | Anybody using KDE under sarge notice different ALT-TAB behaviour recently? |
| 10:37.01 | AmyRose | I looked through aptitude and couldn't find any alternative inits, maybe it's not the kind of thing you can swap with a different package :) |
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| 10:37.16 | solid | zakame: and if i dont type testing? i think they will download it anyway |
| 10:37.19 | jm_ | it's not in Debian, but it exists |
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| 10:38.33 | petemc | vorsprung: hi |
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| 10:39.42 | martin-H | solid |
| 10:39.48 | martin-H | i installed x in sarge |
| 10:40.03 | petemc | word yo thats some tight shit holmes |
| 10:40.12 | petemc | fo sho |
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| 10:40.26 | Guerin | !word |
| 10:40.26 | dpkg | word to your mutha! |
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| 10:41.07 | solid | martin-H how?? |
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| 10:41.16 | helix | jm_: that's a contradictory sentence. my mantra has always been "if it's not in debian, it doesn't exist" :) |
| 10:41.19 | solid | martin-H WOOW! i cant believe LOOL |
| 10:41.38 | jm_ | helix: I know it's very rare, but it does happen |
| 10:41.44 | jeanjean | helix : pkg_add |
| 10:41.50 | AmyRose | helix: so those CSSed DVDs are just my imagination too? ;) |
| 10:41.51 | solid | martin-H how did you do that? |
| 10:41.58 | helix | jeanjean: what? |
| 10:42.03 | helix | AmyRose: ;) |
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| 10:42.18 | jeanjean | helix : many packages exist for other unix and not for unix so not for debian |
| 10:42.19 | rich_ | gcc is in debian. |
| 10:42.20 | martin-H | first |
| 10:42.24 | martin-H | i used the netinst |
| 10:42.26 | helix | jeanjean: i was kidding |
| 10:42.34 | AmyRose | although I can get them if I add some other sources to my sources.list , so does that mean they are in debian, as they are in my debian? hmm |
| 10:42.35 | jeanjean | helix : many packages exist for other unix and not for linux sorry |
| 10:42.56 | martin-H | second, i installed the x using the tasksel |
| 10:43.00 | solid | maria i have this version, and? |
| 10:43.05 | helix | jeanjean: hi. i was being sarcastic. |
| 10:43.12 | jeanjean | AmyRose : try apt-get.org |
| 10:43.16 | jeanjean | AmyRose : search option |
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| 10:43.23 | solid | martin-H the tasktel is not working with me :/ |
| 10:43.29 | martin-H | oops |
| 10:43.42 | martin-H | well, try to install kde by apt-get |
| 10:43.54 | jeanjean | helix : I know now =) |
| 10:43.54 | AmyRose | I just got pointed to some nice french site which has all the dvd related packages |
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| 10:44.03 | jm_ | marillat ? |
| 10:44.17 | helix | ah, the lovely french people |
| 10:44.17 | solid | martin-H: "apt-get install kde" |
| 10:44.37 | AmyRose | jm: thats it :) |
| 10:44.44 | jeanjean | AmyRose : If u dont succeed by deb packages try install the sources. It always works if u have good dynamic librarie |
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| 10:45.01 | martin-H | hm. think so, but you also can install x |
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| 10:45.20 | martin-H | wait ill give you the link to debian apt-get packs |
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| 10:45.46 | N1ghtCr4wl3r | someone has an atheros 5212 chipset wlan card ? |
| 10:45.52 | blokkie | is there a debian specific theme for gnome2 in apt ? |
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| 10:46.51 | dork | hmm |
| 10:46.52 | dork | hello |
| 10:46.56 | tux_007 | hello |
| 10:46.56 | dork | from curiosity |
| 10:47.00 | dork | what mail server are u running? |
| 10:47.09 | Guerin | !polls |
| 10:47.09 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> |
| 10:47.12 | solid | martin-H k |
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| 10:49.21 | fishynet | yay |
| 10:49.40 | daaku | anyone know how to fix 'connection timeout' issues with mldonkey_server? i'm connected through a slow cable modem through a router (with port forwarding enabled).. |
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