| 00:00.08 | linuxroot | tarzeau: thanks very much...that did the trick! |
| 00:00.11 | green-ears | Bogart: your install is it woody which is stable or is it sarge which is testing |
| 00:00.42 | Bogart | green-ears; I didn;t even install mplayer yet |
| 00:01.24 | Bogart | tarzeau; I can read topics but I chose not to most days |
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| 00:02.47 | krnl | what can i use instead of debootstrap to install base debian system to a directory? |
| 00:03.14 | Q_ | krnl: Why don't you want to use debootstrap? |
| 00:03.37 | xlover | any recommendations on installing debian on an SATA disk? i was thinking about just using the Debian-install beta 4... but any other suggestions are welcome |
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| 00:03.47 | krnl | Q_: because it causes me error: http://server1.krnl.hu/err.txt and i cant dolute the problem. |
| 00:03.51 | green-ears | Bogart: cat etc/debian_version to find out what version you have |
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| 00:03.55 | Bogart | green-ears; I need woody |
| 00:04.11 | krnl | xlover: try http://copper.matsc.kyutech.ac.jp/~yoshi/linux/sata/index_e.html |
| 00:04.37 | flevour | krnl: maybe this is of help? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1999/12/msg00160.html |
| 00:04.45 | directhex | xlover, try using debian-install test candidate 1, which is more recent? |
| 00:04.50 | green-ears | Bogart: so in the url change the word testing to stable |
| 00:05.13 | Q_ | krnl: What version of debootstrap is that? Try cdebootstrap? |
| 00:05.14 | krnl | flevour: i try it, thnx |
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| 00:05.29 | green-ears | Bogart: that the url for mplayer |
| 00:05.30 | xlover | directhex: right... |
| 00:05.54 | Bogart | green-ears; Thanks |
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| 00:06.03 | xlover | krnl: i would like to skip the "install on ide disk first and then move your installation to sata"-part |
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| 00:06.15 | das_netz | ready scanner usb like normal user only do it.... chmod ugo+rw /proc/bus/usb/001/* |
| 00:06.16 | directhex | xlover, which sata controller? |
| 00:06.18 | xlover | krnl: any reasons why you prefer this method? |
| 00:06.19 | das_netz | ready scanner usb like normal user only do it.... chmod ugo+rw /proc/bus/usb/002/* |
| 00:06.32 | xlover | directhex: IHC5 or whatever... |
| 00:06.41 | krnl | xlover: i did with that but u need an ide disk. i dont know if u can solute without that |
| 00:06.45 | directhex | xlover, ich5 will be FINE with a recent d-i |
| 00:06.58 | krnl | Q_: the version is: ii debootstrap 0.2.36.0-0.bac Bootstrap a basic Debian system |
| 00:07.01 | directhex | xlover, well. SHOULD. |
| 00:07.16 | drewc | can anybody tell me why any attempt to play a .avi (with xine or aviplay) crashes and restarts X ? |
| 00:07.28 | xlover | directhex: "should" is always the case when it comes to computers anyway :) |
| 00:07.48 | directhex | xlover, sometimes it's "might if you're lucky" |
| 00:07.54 | xlover | directhex: would it work with a 2.4 kernel or would i have to use the 2.6 one? |
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| 00:08.17 | xlover | directhex: most of the time it's "if you expect it to work, it wont" |
| 00:08.33 | directhex | xlover, might work with 2.4, but honestly i've not had man dealings with 2.4 - you can force 2.6 on d-i with the "liunux26" boot command |
| 00:08.37 | directhex | *linux26 |
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| 00:09.21 | ilovelinux | hello |
| 00:09.24 | xlover | directhex: i probably should upgrade to 2.6 at some point anyway... ive been somewhat reluctant to do so thus far... but this may be just the right time for giving 2.6 a chance :) |
| 00:09.30 | ilovelinux | i upgraded to 2.6 kernel |
| 00:09.40 | ilovelinux | now my mouse doesn't wokr |
| 00:09.43 | ilovelinux | any explanations? |
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| 00:10.34 | directhex | ilovelinux, in what? and what type of mouse? and what color is blue cheese? |
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| 00:11.34 | xlover | ilovelinux: what did you do, that messed it up? what did you do to solve it? |
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| 00:11.43 | xlover | or try to solve it anyay |
| 00:12.29 | rdancer | what is the preferred of network filesystem, for stable? bare nfs is no good, is it? |
| 00:12.46 | xlover | rdancer: sfs is pretty nice... |
| 00:12.48 | rdancer | s/preferred/preferred way/ |
| 00:12.56 | rdancer | xlover: nfs over ssh, right? |
| 00:12.57 | xlover | rdancer: even works over unsecure connections |
| 00:13.09 | xlover | rdancer: well... sort of... |
| 00:13.20 | xlover | rdancer: it uses mountd... and openssl... |
| 00:13.33 | flevour | is 40C an acceptable temp for CPU? |
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| 00:13.41 | xlover | rdancer: i'm not sure it would be correct to call it "nfs over ssh" |
| 00:13.44 | rdancer | flevour: quite low, actually |
| 00:13.49 | directhex | flevour, don't rely on motherboard temperature sensors for anything |
| 00:13.50 | xlover | flevour: depends on which cpu it is |
| 00:14.11 | xlover | flevour: the cpu on this workstation is 32C |
| 00:14.17 | directhex | Case temp: +37°C :: CPU Thermistor: +37.5°C :: CPU Diode: +48.0°C |
| 00:14.19 | ilovelinux | lol |
| 00:14.19 | ilovelinux | sorry |
| 00:14.29 | rdancer | xlover: 40C shouldn't melt the silicon.. |
| 00:14.32 | flevour | i just need to figure out whether a segfault on gcc is due to either high temprature, any broken thing or a gcc issue |
| 00:14.35 | xlover | flevour: on my other machine its 50C... on my laptop it sometimes reaches 70C |
| 00:14.48 | ilovelinux | i upgraded to kernel 2.6 and my mouse just doesn't move anymore...i was wondering if this is a known issue? |
| 00:14.53 | directhex | amd rate their chips to 75-85c depending on chip, for example |
| 00:15.02 | xlover | rdancer: silicon doesnt melt till 2000C or something like that |
| 00:15.19 | xlover | ilovelinux: it is... its called "enabling the mouse" |
| 00:15.19 | flevour | cause it lovely segfaults, with no more advice |
| 00:15.20 | directhex | ilovelinux, not answering peopels' attempts to troubleshoot isn't a way to make friends. i've run 2.6 fine for months |
| 00:15.28 | rdancer | xlover: figuratively speaking 8) |
| 00:15.34 | cafuego | xlover: Sadly the plastic coating and fans melt well before that. |
| 00:15.42 | xlover | cafuego: true :) |
| 00:16.07 | cafuego | Mind you, there's no reason for a cpu to not work if it was covered in a blob of molten ex-fan |
| 00:16.25 | flevour | you heard of anybody else having segfault probls with gcc while compiling kernel or whtasoever? |
| 00:16.41 | idnar | cafuego: the blob isn't the problem, it's the cause of the blob that's the problem :P |
| 00:16.50 | cafuego | flevour: Only if their hardware was broken. |
| 00:16.52 | directhex | the silicon might not melt, but it'll be shooting wrong math long before then. no os would run in that situ |
| 00:17.01 | xlover | depends... the problem is not the silicon melting... its other components and circuitry that are the problem |
| 00:17.02 | rdancer | cafuego: i heard there was something bad going on the atomic level of the chip structure |
| 00:17.06 | ilovelinux | okie doke |
| 00:17.19 | ilovelinux | i can live without the mouse for a while |
| 00:17.22 | cafuego | directhex: Nono, that's not "wrong math", that's "quantum computing" ;-) |
| 00:17.25 | ilovelinux | no time to troubleshoot |
| 00:17.25 | flevour | cafuego: what you mean by hardware specifically? i already checkd ram with memtest86 |
| 00:17.30 | ilovelinux | was trying to take the easy way out |
| 00:17.32 | ilovelinux | thanks |
| 00:17.33 | ilovelinux | bye bye |
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| 00:17.58 | directhex | wtf? "i wanted someone to know the exact answer to my problem, not ask me to clarify my question"? |
| 00:18.00 | directhex | :/ |
| 00:18.04 | elliotv | i used to overclock windows like hell (till it BSOD'd all the time). then i started running gentoo, and all my compiles would fail at random places. i took me the longest time to figure out why (i can't imagine how windows could operate in such environment) |
| 00:18.05 | cafuego | flevour: cpu too hot? ram not seated right? |
| 00:18.21 | directhex | elliotv, windows is really stable :) |
| 00:18.30 | cafuego | flevour: Of are you compiling 2.4.20 with gcc3.3 or something? |
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| 00:19.01 | flevour | cafuego: the question above about temp was to check that. and i figured out 40C its not "too hot". And no, i didnt touch RAM in last period, and i used to compile kernels and stuff with no probls |
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| 00:19.17 | flevour | cafuego: i am compiling 2.6.7 with gcc3.2 |
| 00:19.24 | cafuego | elliotv: WIndows internally works on a 1+1=2 basis, which is why not need a FAST cpu to get it to run at acceptable speed. |
| 00:19.32 | cafuego | flevour: Try gcc3.3, just for fun. |
| 00:20.09 | cafuego | elliotv: linxu works on a 2^4=16 basisi, which is more prone to failure if the hardware is flaky. |
| 00:20.24 | mickeyks | has there been mail on the debian-user list in the past 24 hours? |
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| 00:20.43 | Mott | fuck |
| 00:20.45 | Mott | no sucess |
| 00:20.48 | Mott | i was using lynx |
| 00:20.53 | Mott | to download the nvidia drivers |
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| 00:20.59 | elliotv | cafuego, is there a wiki article to explain wtf you just said? |
| 00:21.03 | Mott | but it kept fucking download it to my screen in plaintext. |
| 00:21.03 | cafuego | mickeyks: yep, heaps |
| 00:21.06 | Mott | grr |
| 00:21.14 | cafuego | elliotv: Ummmm... no? :-) |
| 00:21.44 | elliotv | ah ok you just made it all up |
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| 00:21.58 | cafuego | elliotv: I think windows simply performs every syscall 3 times and compares results, hence slow as hell. |
| 00:22.11 | Mott | lol |
| 00:22.22 | Mott | nvidia doesn't have any i386 graphics drivers... |
| 00:22.25 | Mott | how.....shitty. |
| 00:22.39 | directhex | Mott, really? odd. they seem fine here |
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| 00:22.46 | asdkjasd | http://pastebin.com/75114 |
| 00:22.48 | asdkjasd | http://pastebin.com/75115 |
| 00:22.53 | cafuego | Mott: the drivers are packaged for debian, in debian. |
| 00:22.59 | asdkjasd | can someone help me with nvidia drivers |
| 00:23.03 | Mott | cafuego: huh? |
| 00:23.05 | asdkjasd | those are my logs and xf86config |
| 00:23.18 | Mott | blah..i need help.. |
| 00:23.21 | directhex | cafuego, only for 2.4.25 iirc |
| 00:23.22 | Mott | i can't start x |
| 00:23.23 | cafuego | Mott: There's an 'nvidia-glx' and/or 'nvidia-kernel' package |
| 00:23.33 | Mott | cafuego: where? |
| 00:23.45 | Mott | my nvidia driver on my debian cd only support up to geforce 3's |
| 00:23.46 | cafuego | directhex: No, I'm sure I made 'em work on 2.6.x within the past 3 months. |
| 00:23.49 | Mott | i have a gf4 |
| 00:23.53 | directhex | Mott, if you'd paid attention when i said "links" rather than someone's "lynx" correction then you'd have the "save" option i have here |
| 00:24.02 | Mott | i used lynx. |
| 00:24.09 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:24.12 | tarzeau | Mott: use links |
| 00:24.16 | cafuego | Mott: if you hit 'd' in lynx, it downloads and saves. |
| 00:24.20 | directhex | lynx is utter shit, basically |
| 00:24.21 | asdkjasd | links = cli browser |
| 00:24.22 | Mott | well |
| 00:24.26 | Mott | either way.. |
| 00:24.29 | tarzeau | directhex: it's nice for scripting |
| 00:24.35 | Mott | there are no nvidia drivers for i386 |
| 00:24.38 | cafuego | it's a matter of knowing how to sue it, not whether or not it's shit, which it isn't. |
| 00:24.39 | Mott | look on the website :S |
| 00:24.43 | tarzeau | asdkjasd: it can also do graphics since 2.x |
| 00:24.46 | Mott | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux.html |
| 00:24.49 | directhex | someone stab him X| |
| 00:24.56 | cafuego | ANyway. |
| 00:25.00 | directhex | guess what IA32 means |
| 00:25.05 | asdkjasd | tarzeau: how? |
| 00:25.05 | Mott | heh |
| 00:25.06 | cafuego | Easiest fiox is to trash that card and get a supported one. |
| 00:25.07 | cafuego | see also |
| 00:25.10 | cafuego | !supported by |
| 00:25.10 | abrotman | directhex: I Am 32? |
| 00:25.10 | dpkg | I just bought $FOO, because I had too much money, and I can't make it work under linux. I don't even know if it's supported at all! I thought checking if a piece of hardware is supported before I buy it would be a dumb thing to do, and anyway, I don't know what google is and how it works. |
| 00:25.12 | tarzeau | asdkjasd: links -g |
| 00:25.29 | tarzeau | asdkjasd: www.linuks.mine.nu/i_debian/links2/ |
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| 00:25.45 | elliotv | afaik, links doesn't accept -g. you have to type links2 -g instead |
| 00:25.47 | flevour | cafuego: i will check how gcc3.3 works. i will let you know tomorrow. thanks anyway |