| 00:00.22 | orospakr | jozzer, I use 2.6.6-386 on a p133 with 32 megs of memory and it does fine. |
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| 00:00.52 | mickeyks | shit |
| 00:00.55 | mentor | jozzer: Latest 2.6 or 2.4 should be fine. |
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| 00:01.02 | mickeyks | forgot to log off last night, heh |
| 00:01.02 | mentor | mickeyks: piss. |
| 00:01.16 | jrdittmann | uh oh.. the debian installer says 'retrieving archdetect' and is frozen at 1% |
| 00:01.29 | mickeyks | mentor, no thanks, already went |
| 00:02.03 | mentor | jrdittmann: Do the logs on vt3 and vt4 say anything? |
| 00:02.19 | jrdittmann | mentor: I'll just reboot and try re-installing |
| 00:02.29 | jrdittmann | how 'unstable' IS the unstable release? |
| 00:02.37 | mentor | ugh. Windows methodology. |
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| 00:02.50 | orospakr | why would "window title" be grayed out in gnome's font config dialog on current sid? |
| 00:02.59 | orospakr | I had the industrial theme turned on, if that means anything... |
| 00:03.06 | mentor | jrdittmann: It's always broken, but the chances you will encounter the bugs are such that you may not always have a broken installation |
| 00:03.33 | jrdittmann | is testing usually pretty stable? or should I just stick with the 'stable' release? |
| 00:03.43 | Caelum | this is weird...my laptop soundchip is really noisy in windows, but crystal clear in linux with alsa |
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| 00:03.51 | cafuego | jrdittmann: testing is quite stable, but has no security updates. |
| 00:03.51 | doub | hi there |
| 00:03.56 | jrdittmann | ah.. true. |
| 00:04.13 | mickeyks | jrdittmann, i use testing and it's fine |
| 00:04.18 | mentor | Caelum: No, it would be weird if it was the other way around. |
| 00:04.44 | mickeyks | jrdittmann, depends on how novice you are though. |
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| 00:05.10 | mickeyks | jrdittmann, and whether you're running a production server :) |
| 00:05.11 | Caelum | am I supposed to have an /etc/modprobe.conf in sid with 2.6.7? |
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| 00:05.24 | doub | mickeyks: it's just a matter of checking on the novice-o-metter. |
| 00:05.51 | mickeyks | doub, where can i sign up for that |
| 00:06.02 | jozzer | hehe a old scsi quantum disk in this comp :) pure win |
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| 00:07.05 | mickeyks | jozzer, did you find it on the street? |
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| 00:07.37 | jozzer | no i got it from work why? |
| 00:07.43 | doub | mickeyks: huh, actually, it's alpha stuff, quite borked. i've been told it will be released around post-history time, though |
| 00:08.10 | mickeyks | doub, so it's one of those 'if you have to ask' things |
| 00:08.52 | doub | mickeyks: quite so. but you can take a coffee, while waiting. |
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| 00:10.13 | Caelum | does modprobe read the files in /etc/modprobe.d/ directly or is something supposed to generate /etc/modprobe.conf? |
| 00:10.53 | mickeyks | i have got to change the xchat colors |
| 00:11.02 | Wyzard | Caelum: "update-modules" generates modprobe.conf, but I believe modprobe reads modprobe.d directly now, as of a day or two ago |
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| 00:12.09 | Caelum | Wyzard: ah cool, thank you |
| 00:12.13 | Wyzard | Caelum: The manpage for update-modules (in sid) says it's obsolete |
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| 00:13.07 | Caelum | *nod* saw that |
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| 00:15.50 | faw | Hey guys... |
| 00:16.04 | faw | The Debian Vote System (engine) is available to use? |
| 00:16.18 | mickeyks | what's the code for the color white |
| 00:16.44 | Caelum | mickeyks: the brightest white is all bits set, ie #ffffff |
| 00:16.45 | Wyzard | mickeyks: What sort of code are you talking about? (X colors? HTML?) |
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| 00:17.28 | mickeyks | Wyzard: x colors i guess. in the xchat prefs. |
| 00:17.55 | mhall | Hello all, what is the right way to determine the negotiated link speed of an Ethernet interface in general? I.e. in a manner not specific to one kind of Ethernet card or driver. |
| 00:18.11 | Wyzard | mickeyks: In a color selector of that sort, 255 is the highest possible value, so white is (255, 255, 255) |
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| 00:18.14 | Rez | mhall: mii-diag? |
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| 00:18.30 | mickeyks | Wyzard: nah, it's in hex |
| 00:18.45 | mhall | Rez I get "no MII interfaces found" |
| 00:18.56 | Wyzard | mhall: What type of network card do you have? |
| 00:18.59 | mickeyks | my background color right now is 3076D8 |
| 00:19.07 | mhall | Wyzard amd pcnet |
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| 00:19.33 | Wyzard | mickeyks: I'm looking at that now and it has both a hex code and red/green/blue boxes. 0xff is hex for 255, so #ffffff is the same as 255, 255, 255 |
| 00:19.34 | medgno | tis a nice colour |
| 00:19.53 | Wyzard | mhall: Not pcnet32? Is it an ISA card? |
| 00:20.18 | mhall | Wyzard yeah it's pcnet32, you are right |
| 00:20.33 | Wyzard | mhall: Maybe that card doesn't have MII registers, but if it's a PCI card then I'm surprised |
| 00:20.39 | mickeyks | wyzard yeah that's working as white |
| 00:21.36 | Wyzard | mhall: MII stands for "media-independent interface" and it's the right way to get that information in a non-card-specific manner... but if your card doesn't support it, you're stuck |
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| 00:22.28 | mhall | Wyzard is there a system call that will tell you? |
| 00:22.48 | mhall | Wyzard i mean what do you do when you want to measure bandwidth use as a percentage of total availability |
| 00:22.58 | mhall | Wyzard there has to be some way to do it |
| 00:23.07 | Wyzard | mhall: Oh... for that you can use something like bwm or ethstatus |
| 00:23.30 | Wyzard | mhall: mii-diag is what tells you whether there's a cable plugged in and whether it's negotiated 10mbit, 100mbit, or gigabit |
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| 00:24.05 | mhall | Wyzard i just want to know if i have a 10base 100base gigabit or 10gigabit |
| 00:24.37 | datoch | mhall: lspci |
| 00:24.41 | Wyzard | mhall: That's not the same as "bandwidth use as a percentage of total availability". But IIRC, the pcnet32 is a 100mbit card |
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| 00:25.10 | mhall | Wyzard right but i mean for any card on any box |
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| 00:25.21 | mhall | Wyzard i know it for the pcnet |
| 00:25.22 | Wyzard | mhall: Use mii-diag |
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| 00:25.36 | mhall | Wyzard but you said not everything has mii-diag |
| 00:25.55 | Wyzard | mhall: Old cards lack MII and therefore have no (non-card-specific) way to query that information |
| 00:26.01 | noda | Weird thing: on my (Debian Sid) laptop, when I use alt-tab or alt-ctrl-[left/right], my letting-go of the modifier keys does not end the action. It's as if they were still held down. I have to press a modifier to make the 'Window Switcher' box disappear. Only Metacity has this problem, and only with alt-tab/alt-ctrl-[arrow]/alt-escape. Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 00:26.08 | Wyzard | mhall: But pretty much all non-ancient cards support it |
| 00:26.27 | Wyzard | mhall: including my $6 RTL-8139 cards |
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| 00:26.42 | chealer | noda: I'm on Sarge, but read topic. |
| 00:26.46 | mhall | Wyzard ok |
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| 00:27.07 | Wyzard | mhall: As for why it's not working for you now, I dunno... maybe you don't have the driver module loaded or something |
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| 00:27.31 | sussudio_ | troubled: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/being_sgeigerbot.png |
| 00:27.40 | jason-0 | how do i let debian use unstable instead of stable? |
| 00:27.50 | jason-0 | when i use apt-get install |
| 00:28.01 | Wyzard | jason-0: Pont your /etc/apt/sources.list at unstable and do a dist-upgrade |
| 00:28.02 | noda | chealer: I see nothing in the /topic... Nautilus is fine in unstable. |
| 00:28.13 | gcbirzan | jason-0: Read the APT howto on www.debian.org. |
| 00:28.18 | libv | if it is 100Base, there is only a very very very slim chance of it not supporting MII |
| 00:28.27 | sussudio_ | NII |
| 00:28.45 | troubled | sussudio_: :) |
| 00:28.59 | jason-0 | ok thanks :) |
| 00:29.02 | gcbirzan | libv: There's an EEPro100 module that doesn't use MII, I forgot which. Hi, by the way. :-) |
| 00:29.30 | chealer | noda: "alt-tab broken: #255192" |
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| 00:29.33 | troubled | ok everyone, block hotpop.com's whole ip block :) |
| 00:29.36 | libv | oh, hello, didn't know you dwelled here too |
| 00:29.43 | noda | chealer: Thank you :) |
| 00:29.55 | Sebulba02 | troubled: whats up with hotpop? |
| 00:29.55 | noda | Didn't see it :) |
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| 00:30.14 | gcbirzan | The Donald Becker one doesn't, apparently. |
| 00:30.16 | chealer | noda: nautilus is reported broken on testing (which seems to be true :( ) |
| 00:30.19 | troubled | Sebulba02: spam |
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| 00:30.27 | troubled | Sebulba02: about every hour too |
| 00:30.30 | noda | chealer: I rarely use it besides the desktop icons :) |
| 00:30.35 | libv | gcbirzan: but is that due to it not being implemented in software or due to the hardware not supporting it? |
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| 00:30.42 | Wyzard | chealer: The nautilus breakage in testing is unrelated to the alt-tab breakage in unstable |
| 00:30.43 | Sebulba02 | troubled: Ah, I don't get any from them. |
| 00:30.44 | gcbirzan | Hm. Wait. |
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| 00:30.59 | troubled | Sebulba02: lucky :) |
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| 00:31.36 | mhall | Has anybody gotten an X keymap where the CAPSLOCKED keys were shifted over one location horizontally from where they should be? It's happening on my laptop and did not used to so I think something's fucked. |
| 00:31.51 | gcbirzan | libv: Well, I know I can't use mii-tool on a machine with a Intel PRO/1000 NIC, which uses the Intel driver, and can on that same machine on a eepro100 NIC, using the DB drivers. |
| 00:32.06 | gcbirzan | libv: Also, noticed that for the Intel EEPro 100 drivers too |
| 00:32.09 | chealer | Wyzard: yeah, sorry if you understood differently |
| 00:32.26 | libv | drivers/net/eepro100.c include mii.h |
| 00:32.26 | troubled | simonrvn: yer isp suckin balls is it? |
| 00:32.46 | sil^ | I don't currently have a ~/.xsession. If I create one, will it be run instead of or as well as the system Xsession file? I'd like to start some programs on X login but I don't want to have to tell it which WM, etc, to start in my .xsession file. |
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| 00:32.50 | libv | so a few cards have mii support lacking? |
| 00:33.07 | libv | because i can't imagine a Gb int to lack mii |
| 00:33.10 | gcbirzan | libv: Hm, actually, by looking at depends: for each of the modulse |
| 00:33.24 | gcbirzan | libv: modules, I see both e100 and eepro100 have mii in 2.6.5 |
| 00:33.43 | gcbirzan | eth0: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection |
| 00:33.56 | gcbirzan | # mii-tool\n SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported |
| 00:34.15 | Caelum | how do I change which sound card alsa uses as the first, aside from changing module load order |
| 00:34.23 | libv | hrm |
| 00:34.30 | gcbirzan | libv: It's in the kernel though, so I can't pass it any modules. |
| 00:34.55 | Wyzard | sil^: Your ~/.xsession is run from /etc/X11/Xsession if it exists... I'm not sure what happens if it exists but doesn't launch a WM or anything |
| 00:35.10 | Wyzard | sil^: Read the /etc/X11/Xsession script, I gues |
| 00:35.13 | Wyzard | *guess |
| 00:35.22 | gcbirzan | libv: Pass it any parameters, I mean. |
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| 00:37.57 | Infohawk | When I use vncserver with gnome, my keyboard is borked. When I use vncserver with kde, it works fine. How do I make it work with gnome? :/ |
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| 00:38.03 | sil^ | Wyzard, I *think* that it will exec my ~/.xsession if it exists. So my question then is: how can I start one arbitrary program on X login? |
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| 00:38.56 | Wyzard | sil^: Find whatever the system-wide Xsession does when your ~/.xsession doesn't exist, and have your ~/.xsession do that after starting the arbitrary program |
| 00:38.59 | jaxxan | does the knoppix cd just default to #debian or something for irc ? |
| 00:39.08 | Crell | #knoppix, I believe. |
| 00:39.29 | jaxxan | there sure are alot of *!knoppix@* here |
| 00:39.35 | jaxxan | see em all the time |
| 00:39.46 | sil^ | Wyzard, OK. |
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| 00:40.46 | Infohawk | Do we automatically get put back into #debian once there's no more overflow? |
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| 00:41.20 | simonrvn | sussudio_: you silly silly person |
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| 00:41.32 | simonrvn | Infohawk: no |
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| 00:42.20 | Infohawk | Are #debian and #debian-overflow communicating right now? |
| 00:42.33 | mickeyks | there's a #debian-overflow? |
| 00:42.40 | Rez | how would they be communicating? |
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| 00:42.53 | simonrvn | @tell champion -about root |
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| 00:43.02 | Infohawk | rez, I don't know, messages being forwarded between them. |
| 00:43.04 | sideone | im trying to compile my kern (2.4.19) . i have a amd64 , whcih i have tried to compile as i386, i586, i686, k7.. but i always seem to stall in the boot at CPU: L2 CACHE |
| 00:43.10 | simonrvn | @tell klx -about root |
| 00:43.13 | sideone | i can boot with the prebuild image |
| 00:43.17 | Rez | Infohawk: no, that would kinda defeat the purpose |
| 00:43.23 | Rez | simonrvn: what's the -about do? |
| 00:43.24 | sideone | but the nic card doesnt work with that image |
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| 00:43.27 | sideone | anyideas? |
| 00:43.32 | jaxxan | @tell jaxxan -about root |
| 00:43.33 | nichos | has anyone got the voice over ip working for unreal 2004? |
| 00:43.36 | QuikBng19 | Anyone know how to get a Lexmark x5150 to work on debian? a guy claims he got it to work on Suse but i cant seem to find drivers for this printer |
| 00:43.37 | [Outlaw] | Hey guys, if I install Java (J2sdk1.4) from Blackdown will I get the Mozilla plugin with it? |
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| 00:44.01 | Caelum | [Outlaw]: yes |
| 00:44.04 | datoch | [Outlaw]: yes |
| 00:44.09 | [Outlaw] | Ok - does it need to be set up at all? |
| 00:44.17 | Caelum | [Outlaw]: you just need to make a symlink to the mozilla plugins folder |
| 00:44.54 | dross | Scott ! |
| 00:44.56 | dross | :P |
| 00:45.00 | numist | AGH |
| 00:45.26 | QuikBng19 | Anyone know how to get a Lexmark x5150 to work on debian? a guy claims he got it to work on Suse but i cant seem to find drivers for this printer |
| 00:45.47 | [Outlaw] | Caelum: Ok... do I need to make another if I use galeon, or does that share the plugins folder? |
| 00:45.52 | Infohawk | Since I upgraded to exim 4 I'm getting mail received "from root by knoppix with local" about being unable to lookup knooppix via gethostbyname." I installed with the netfloppies. What's going on here? |
| 00:45.57 | cafuego | sideone: There's an amd64 package repository (with prebuilt kernels) that should speed your system up quite a lot. |
| 00:46.01 | Caelum | [Outlaw]: it might... |
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| 00:46.15 | sideone | •cafuego• well i am working on cross-compilation with uclibc |
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| 00:46.21 | sideone | and would like to stay at 32bit for now |
| 00:46.22 | Infohawk | (the only thing I've used knoppix for was to chroot as a rescue disk) |
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| 00:46.33 | cafuego | sideone: If I were you, I'd add that and go a 2.6 kernel. 2.6.x supports AMD64 directly. |
| 00:46.35 | linuser | where can i find information please to know how the kmenu works now? |
| 00:46.37 | sideone | when i boot with the prebuilt kern from apt, 2.4.16 it work |
| 00:46.40 | Caelum | [Outlaw]: the file you want to link is /jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 00:46.47 | linuser | with kde3.2 |
| 00:46.49 | cafuego | sideone: ah ok. What nic you got? |
| 00:46.49 | dross | sideone: please turn off the bitchx highlighting |
| 00:46.53 | sideone | via rhine |
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| 00:46.59 | sideone | it detects it |
| 00:47.06 | sideone | but, cant do anythign with it |
| 00:47.10 | cafuego | hmm, yes, they're kind of notorious. |
| 00:47.19 | sideone | heh |
| 00:47.22 | dross | sideone: or dont use naming like dross:. bitchx is the most annoying |
| 00:47.23 | sideone | worked under the old kern |
| 00:47.30 | cafuego | I have one of them in a 2.6.6 box, works ok. |
| 00:47.32 | sideone | sorry. |
| 00:47.47 | sideone | caf, worked great under 2.2 |
| 00:48.01 | cafuego | sideone: You ran a 2.2 kernel on an athlon64? |
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| 00:48.13 | sideone | caf, i started with a net-inst |
| 00:48.17 | sideone | which had 2.2 |
| 00:48.35 | cafuego | sideone: Are you wanting to use woody or would you be happy with sarge? |
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| 00:48.51 | sideone | caf, woody is fine |
| 00:49.02 | sideone | im actually chrooting into uwoody |
| 00:49.08 | cafuego | but would sarge be fine too? :-) |
| 00:49.14 | sideone | for uclibc (embedded) |
| 00:49.19 | sideone | heh |
| 00:49.23 | sideone | if its 2.4x |
| 00:49.24 | sideone | :) |
| 00:49.31 | cafuego | it has up to 2.4.26 I think |
| 00:49.37 | JoshTriplett | sideone: 2.6.x, even. |
| 00:49.44 | sideone | k |
| 00:49.56 | cafuego | well, up to 2.4.26 and 2.6.6 |
| 00:50.00 | sideone | ok |
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| 00:50.23 | cafuego | but for 2.6 you'll need packages that aren't in woody. (module-init-tools) |
| 00:50.41 | sideone | hmm ... <topic> |
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| 00:50.53 | cafuego | sideone: That's sid. |
| 00:50.58 | sideone | ok |
| 00:51.05 | sideone | gotcha |
| 00:51.06 | cafuego | .. and what sid is for :-) |
| 00:51.44 | sideone | ok well heres the issue, when i did the make install, it overwrote the old image |
| 00:51.57 | sideone | so i cant use the net from within that distro |
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| 00:52.13 | sideone | is there a quick way to build a deb system? |
| 00:52.17 | sideone | i would like to start ovewr |
| 00:52.19 | cafuego | sideone: For that sort of thing, it's much better to use the kernel-package scripts. They build customised kernel-image debs |
| 00:52.28 | sideone | too much playing with uclibc |
| 00:52.37 | sideone | but all i have is the net-inst |
| 00:52.41 | sideone | which starts on 2.2 |
| 00:52.49 | gleffler | I have a weird problem... my Alt+# number keys are generating strange characters |
| 00:52.52 | sideone | what would you recommend? |
| 00:52.55 | cafuego | sideone: Got net access? |
| 00:52.57 | gleffler | example, Alt+1 = ±, Alt+2 = ² |
| 00:53.05 | gleffler | I want them to just the Alt+1 on to the application |
| 00:53.08 | sideone | caf, from deb, nope |
| 00:53.14 | sideone | heh |
| 00:53.16 | sideone | fun fun |
| 00:53.24 | sideone | guess i know what you are gonna say |
| 00:53.32 | sideone | btw, the sys i dont care about |
| 00:53.37 | cafuego | sideone: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/tc1/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 00:53.37 | sideone | i can reinstall |
| 00:53.38 | linuser | i dont know why i put 10h for my custom menu and now i update to 3.2 lost all my changes ;( |
| 00:53.42 | sideone | woo hoo |
| 00:53.43 | sideone | thx |
| 00:53.44 | sideone | brb 2 |
| 00:54.16 | sideone | caf, so i will install this iso, then ? |
| 00:54.23 | cafuego | sideone: Or there *is* a full amd64 version, so you don't end up switching to 64bit later. |
| 00:54.23 | sideone | will it start me on 2.4? |
| 00:54.35 | cafuego | sideone: That will start you on 2.4.26 OR 2.6.x |
| 00:54.42 | sideone | caf, i dont really like 64 yet |
| 00:54.48 | sideone | cant run my wireless under it |
| 00:54.50 | sideone | or ati |
| 00:54.53 | cafuego | ah ok. |
| 00:55.00 | sideone | had gentoo 64 |
| 00:55.06 | cafuego | sideone: Then tha link i posted is ia32 |
| 00:55.11 | sideone | woohoo |
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| 00:55.31 | sideone | anything to look for during the install? or just normal schtuff? |
| 00:55.35 | cafuego | sideone: You can choose to boot 2.4 or 2. from that, it will access the net to fetch all base packages. |
| 00:55.44 | sideone | nice. |
| 00:55.50 | sideone | packages, not src? |
| 00:55.57 | sideone | i like that about deb |
| 00:55.57 | cafuego | sideone: Well, it's the most stabe version of the in-development new installer. |
| 00:56.00 | linuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.09 | cafuego | sideone: yeah, binary packages, not source. |
| 00:56.16 | sideone | nice, been in bsd too long |
| 00:56.45 | cafuego | sideone: I ran it here a while back and found an issue with a software raid install, but i you wanna go straight to disk, you should be fine. |
| 00:57.03 | sideone | caf, great, im on a lapper |
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| 00:57.20 | sideone | and dont care for raid-emu |
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| 00:57.28 | cafuego | that's what I did raid on, 2x650Mb partitions mirrored to raid1, just to try it :-) |
| 00:57.37 | sideone | you like it? |
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| 00:58.18 | cafuego | I use it on a new server, works fine. On that laptop.. well, it's a Celeron 500 with a crusty HDD originally from a 486 laptop... so it ain't fast |
| 00:58.22 | cafuego | Still, it runs. |
| 00:58.31 | sideone | true |
| 00:58.36 | sideone | i have a 4200 as well |
| 00:58.38 | sideone | fun fun |
| 00:58.44 | sideone | slow point on the 64 |
| 00:58.54 | sideone | well, 64 doesnt mean anything for me yet i guess |
| 00:58.55 | sideone | heh |
| 00:59.07 | sideone | i like grub, but lilo is fine |
| 00:59.09 | linuser | can some one help me with my debian box, i liost all my custom menu after updating to kde3.2.3 |
| 00:59.17 | cafuego | sideone: Depending on how the port is going, pretty much everything should work. |
| 00:59.19 | Caveman- | brb |
| 00:59.23 | Blue_Hair | where can I go to find like the best deal for a dual intel proc/motherboard combo ? |
| 00:59.24 | sideone | cool |
| 00:59.37 | sideone | Blue_Hair, i usually check pricewatch.com |
| 00:59.44 | sideone | or ebay |
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| 01:00.06 | Blue_Hair | im trying shopping.com :P |
| 01:00.15 | Blue_Hair | ahh and I should try froogle :P |
| 01:00.22 | sideone | ahh forgot about froogle |
| 01:00.30 | cafuego | sideone: https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-amd64/ |
| 01:00.34 | sideone | nice |
| 01:00.38 | JoshTriplett | sideone: Note that if you only want the 2.6 kernel, and not everything else from testing or unstable, backports.org has the necessary software to run 2.6 . |
| 01:01.03 | sideone | josh, cool. i like that |
| 01:01.05 | sideone | thx |
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| 01:01.14 | sideone | brb 1 |
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| 01:03.23 | sideone | ok time to install.. caf, josh, thanks for the help |
| 01:03.29 | sideone | brb in 30 <hopefully> |
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| 01:07.57 | Sebulba02 | With? |
| 01:08.11 | FieldySnuts | you are blind. |
| 01:08.46 | Blue_Hair | my problem with the dual proc intel's is that they are 533 MHZ FSB |
| 01:08.52 | Blue_Hair | and the single proc is 800 |
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| 01:08.59 | Sebulba02 | I think not paying attention is more likely. |
| 01:09.05 | djw | Signal 11 (SEGV) caught by ps (procps version 3.2.1). |
| 01:09.07 | djw | lovely |
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| 01:09.25 | medgno | djw: okay, that's a bad sign |
| 01:09.36 | djw | yeah |
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| 01:09.58 | pbx06 | i am wondering if it is possible to edit the mem of a process (a game) under linux ? like windows softwars can do ? |
| 01:10.05 | droopy | Whats a cheap good laptop?? |
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| 01:10.20 | hacim | droopy: ibm think pad 600e |
| 01:10.27 | hacim | droopy: DAS BOMB |
| 01:10.39 | Blue_Hair | I dont have to do anything to support two processors correctly on debian right? |
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| 01:10.50 | [Outlaw] | Hmm |
| 01:10.57 | droopy | hacim How much?? |
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| 01:11.09 | hacim | droopy: depends on what you get with it, but <$300 |
| 01:11.40 | hacim | droopy: nice screen, perfect keyboard, fast enough (350mhz) |
| 01:11.54 | [Outlaw] | I just install j2sdk1.4, and in my /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins there is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/javaplugin_oji.so. In "about:plugins" there's nothing about Java, though. |
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| 01:12.00 | hacim | runs windowmaker, mozilla, openoffice, etc. like a dream |
| 01:12.05 | droopy | hacim will check out... |
| 01:12.18 | hacim | who needs those dang 2gig dual processor laptops? thats basically a server in my eyes |
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| 01:12.29 | edudlive | they make dual CPU laptops? |
| 01:12.40 | [Outlaw] | And I get this error message when I load Mozilla: |
| 01:12.41 | [Outlaw] | LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library /usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so [/usr/lib/j2se/1.4/jre/plugin/i386/mozilla/javaplugin_oji.so: undefined symbol: GetGlobalServiceManager__16nsServiceManagerPP17nsIServiceManager] |
| 01:12.42 | Wyzard | Blue_Hair: You need an SMP-enabled kernel to use more than one processor |
| 01:12.50 | Sebulba02 | Those must have poor battery life. |
| 01:13.02 | [Outlaw] | Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 01:13.13 | Blue_Hair | Wyzard: but the 2.4 kernels defaultly support SMP dont they? |
| 01:13.21 | thomas_adam | Hi All. I've had an NFS issue for a while now if you try and move anything on the NFS client on or off an NFS share bigger than around 20K, the client machine locks up. I've tried both kernel-space NFS and user-land to no avail. I'm currently using 2.6.7 in an attempt to think that would cure the issue, but it hasn't. There is nothing odd about the NFS-client machine, and the load averages at the time of transfer ar |
| 01:13.21 | thomas_adam | e fine -- no surges or anything like that. |
| 01:13.23 | edudlive | looks like you're having some java problems |
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| 01:13.34 | [Outlaw] | Somewhat |
| 01:13.39 | Wyzard | Blue_Hair: They "support" SMP in the sense that you can turn it on, but it still has to be actually turned on when the kernel is compiled |
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| 01:13.51 | edudlive | does it come in mozilla or do you have to install it |
| 01:14.26 | [Outlaw] | You have to install it separately. I used blackdown |
| 01:14.28 | Blue_Hair | Wyzard: I dont compile my kernel, I just install debian |
| 01:14.29 | Wyzard | Blue_Hair: The kernel installed by Debian isn't SMP (though D-I gives you a choice, I think) but you can always install one (kernel-image-*-smp) later |
| 01:14.31 | [Outlaw] | Caelum: You there? |
| 01:14.46 | Blue_Hair | Wyzard: oh ok |
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| 01:14.58 | sideone | re. |
| 01:15.00 | Blue_Hair | Wyzard: I dont have to compile a image kernel right ? |
| 01:15.00 | sideone | no luck |
| 01:15.08 | sideone | the nic card had the same error |
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| 01:15.16 | Wyzard | Blue_Hair: No, Debian provides packages of SMP kernels. It just doesn't install them by default. |
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| 01:15.32 | dot_vpr | I am having problems with lilo, it wont start on bootup.. |
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| 01:15.48 | sideone | it detected it, but could not pick a dhcp addr, or could not communicate over it |
| 01:15.51 | Wyzard | Blue_Hair: If you installed your kernel from one of the "kernel-image" packages, just add "-smp" to the end of the name and install that package instead |
| 01:15.52 | dot_vpr | I did a clean install as well as replaced the mobo and this sarted happening.. |
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| 01:16.39 | Blue_Hair | Wyzard: im asking if kernel "images" is a recompiled kernel |
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| 01:16.52 | Blue_Hair | Wyzard: "precompiled" |
| 01:17.03 | dot_vpr | I am thinking it has something to do with the compaq bios... |
| 01:17.07 | dot_vpr | any ideas/ |
| 01:17.08 | Wyzard | Blue_Hair: Debian kernel-image packages are compiled kernels, ready to boot |
| 01:17.17 | Blue_Hair | Wyzard: coo |
| 01:17.31 | Wyzard | Blue_Hair: They're compiled from the Debian kernel-source packages, using the tools provided in kernel-package |
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| 01:18.32 | sideone | anyone with a via-rhine chipset? |
| 01:18.40 | sideone | II |
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| 01:19.26 | kruzi | hmm |
| 01:20.52 | dan2 | !dbugs 25574 |
| 01:20.54 | Grant__ | Anyone have some Firewall scripts? |
| 01:20.55 | dpkg | DONE:#25574:N[amanda-common] amanda references non-existent /usr/adm |
| 01:20.59 | dan2 | !dbugs 255747 |
| 01:21.01 | dpkg | #255747:I[smbclient] smbclient: skips even characters of -U argument (sid) |
| 01:21.08 | dan2 | wow |
| 01:21.10 | dan2 | :) |
| 01:21.14 | Wyzard | Grant__: Use FireHOL if available (it's not in woody), shorewall otherwise |
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| 01:23.03 | Grant__ | FireHol is it in sarge? |
| 01:23.18 | denken | Grant__: you can find out at debian.org |
| 01:23.22 | toresbe__ | I have joy, I have fun, I have Linux on a Sun! |
| 01:23.23 | yxa | is apt-get.org dead? |
| 01:24.05 | jrdittmann | can I use linux binaries in debian? |
| 01:24.17 | jrdittmann | like... eDonkey2000, for instance ;-) |
| 01:24.31 | Wyzard | jrdittmann: That's like asking if you can use Windows binaries in XP |
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| 01:24.59 | mickeyks | Wyzard: well, not really. some binaries might not work as well in some distros. |
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| 01:25.20 | jrdittmann | Wyzard: I didn't know if it needed some sort of weird module support, or anything.. .I figure it'll be app-specific |
| 01:25.26 | evely | hola |
| 01:25.34 | mickeyks | jrdittmann: usually there is some explanation of which distros it is known to work for |
| 01:25.41 | Wyzard | jrdittmann: Debian *is* a Linux distribution (unless you use one of the variants like Debian/FreeBSD) |
| 01:25.45 | mickeyks | jrdittmann: and often there is an unofficial debian version |
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| 01:26.07 | chealer | hola evely |
| 01:26.20 | evely | ke tal como estas |
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| 01:27.07 | Ste | Has anyone had any luck with FXP on Debian? I've installed the pure-ftpd because that's supposed to have better support for it, and enabled it in the ftpd settings, but whenever I try to send anything I'm just getting a connection timeout on the sending server :( |
| 01:27.33 | jrdittmann | well... what the heck.. kernel panic |
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| 01:27.38 | jrdittmann | THAT can't be good! |
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| 01:27.55 | bob2 | Ste: use rsync to copy your warez around. |
| 01:27.57 | bob2 | it's a lot quicker. |
| 01:27.59 | Ste | I regularly have nightmares about kernel panic :S |
| 01:28.00 | chealer | evely: yo no hablo espanol buene, #debian-es? |
| 01:28.06 | bob2 | jrdittmann: app's cannot panic the kernel. |
| 01:28.10 | bob2 | !+spanish |
| 01:28.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
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| 01:28.19 | Ste | bob2: It's not for me, it's for a bud and the guy who's sending to him doesn't do linux :'( |
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| 01:28.34 | Ste | bob2: If it was one of my mates I wouldn't give him a choice, lol |
| 01:28.43 | [Outlaw] | Hmm |
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| 01:28.52 | Wyzard | bob2: Unless you haven't installed the recent bugfix, that is :-) |
| 01:28.55 | [Outlaw] | Apparently my Java error is because Mozilla and Java were compiled with different versions of gcc... |
| 01:28.58 | [Outlaw] | Anyone know a fix for that? :/ |
| 01:29.22 | evely | y si no hablas español como lo estas hablando |
| 01:29.22 | bob2 | [Outlaw]: install the right version of the JRE |
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| 01:29.46 | [Outlaw] | How many versions are there? At the moment I'm using the one that was installed with j2sdk1.4 |
| 01:29.49 | bob2 | [Outlaw]: if you're using sid or sarge, that means a JRE with "gcc3.2" in the file name. |
| 01:29.56 | jrdittmann | seems that the bios can't boot off of my 120 GB HD... |
| 01:30.02 | gleffler | Anyone know what would be causing me to type things like ±, ², ³ in xterms, when I press alt+1,2,3 instead of the keystroke being passed through? |
| 01:30.16 | jrdittmann | stupid pentium II Mobo |
| 01:30.22 | [Outlaw] | bob2: Hm... is this just on the blackdown ftp? |
| 01:30.29 | bob2 | [Outlaw]: yes. |
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| 01:31.06 | MrHeh | Has anyone in here gotten the ndiswrapper to work? |
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| 01:32.05 | bob2 | heh, canberra has some free wireless hotspots now |
| 01:32.08 | dan2 | bob2: hey |
| 01:32.10 | [Outlaw] | bob2: I hate to ask, but where? I'm looking here but there's only one jre: ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian/pool/non-free/j/jdk1.1/ |
| 01:32.15 | bob2 | pity it's too fucking cold to leave the house |
| 01:32.23 | [Outlaw] | It isn't that cold in Canberra. ;) |
| 01:32.30 | dan2 | bob2: reccomended book for C++ is OOP in C++ by Josuttis |
| 01:32.50 | bob2 | !+sid mozilla java |
| 01:32.50 | [Outlaw] | Free hotspots though - whereabouts? |
| 01:32.50 | dpkg | methinks sid mozilla java is mozilla 1.4 (in sid) is compiled with g++ 3.2. The ABI has changed, and old Java virtual machines will not work any more. Please see http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.3/#compatible for details. See http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.blackdown.org/java-linux/JDK-1.4.1/i386/01/, or see 'get-blackdown' for apt-gettable sources. |
| 01:33.00 | dan2 | bob2: its written in a way for existing java and sid programmers to easily move to C++ |
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| 01:33.05 | dan2 | s/sid/C/ |
| 01:33.06 | bob2 | [Outlaw]: garema place and dickson, near zefferelies |
| 01:33.06 | dan2 | bah |
| 01:33.13 | [Outlaw] | Yeah? I'll try it sometime |
| 01:33.16 | bob2 | erm, spelt correctly, obviously. |
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| 01:33.49 | bob2 | dan2: ah, have you read it? |
| 01:33.57 | dan2 | bob2: up to chapter 4 now |
| 01:33.59 | [Outlaw] | bob2: Oh right - there's no debian package? |
| 01:34.08 | dan2 | bob2: he clearly knows what the hell he is talking about |
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| 01:34.53 | bob2 | [Outlaw]: yeah, unfortunately. |
| 01:35.00 | [Outlaw] | Darn. Ok, thanks :) |
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| 01:35.18 | bob2 | also at ftp://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/java-linux/JDK-1.4.2/i386/rc1/, if you're paying for traffic. |
| 01:35.26 | dan2 | bob2: even though its only 70% of the size of The C++ Programming Language, he is not teaching from the ground up, but with experience in mind ( this was a book I was searching for, for ages) |
| 01:35.39 | bob2 | and my rant for the day: Aarnet cut back their debian mirror due to disk space issues. |
| 01:35.42 | bob2 | which is reasonable. |
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| 01:35.49 | [Outlaw] | Nah, that isn't an issue, I don't use a third of my download usage anyway |
| 01:35.54 | dan2 | bob2: everybody writes their damn C++ books having no other language experience which sucks |
| 01:35.56 | bob2 | bu the arches they kept are i386, sparc, M68K and SUPERH |
| 01:35.59 | [Outlaw] | s/usage/quota/ |
| 01:36.01 | bob2 | nobody even uses superh |
| 01:36.08 | bob2 | dan2: hah |
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| 01:36.26 | bob2 | dan2: effective c++, dude. |
| 01:36.31 | dan2 | bob2: I mean targeting that type of audience |
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| 01:36.46 | dan2 | bob2: I almost bought a copy except my wallet was short 20 bucks |
| 01:36.51 | cafuego | Isn't "effective c++" just "inline c" ? |
| 01:36.59 | toresbe__ | bob2: I use SuperH... |
| 01:37.18 | bob2 | dan2: hah |
| 01:37.31 | bob2 | toresbe__: yeah, but you use *every* arch |
| 01:37.31 | dan2 | bob2: I didn't have my CCs on me either |
| 01:37.38 | toresbe__ | bob2: Then again, I also use a PDP-7, so I'm completely disqualified...? |
| 01:37.44 | bob2 | toresbe__: yup :) |
| 01:37.50 | dan2 | bob2: Ill go back next week and get it |
| 01:37.50 | bob2 | dan2: I'd be happy to mind them for you |
| 01:38.20 | dan2 | bob2: this new one has a $20000 limit |
| 01:38.41 | dan2 | bob2: and an interest rate or %6.8 |
| 01:38.42 | toresbe__ | bob2: I have joy, I have fun, I have Linux on a Sun! |
| 01:38.48 | libv | toresbe__: are you using the dreamcast or a winCE pda? because those are the most common forms available today |
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| 01:38.49 | dan2 | s/or/of |
| 01:38.51 | bob2 | hahah |
| 01:39.09 | toresbe__ | libv: a PDA |
| 01:39.29 | libv | toresbe__: palm or clamshell hp? |
| 01:39.38 | dan2 | bob2: tomorrow I am going to register MirrorLynx as a Non-Profit Organization |
| 01:39.52 | toresbe__ | libv: It's an obscure Casio... I haven't booted it yet, though... |
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| 01:39.55 | [Outlaw] | bob2: Hmm... if I apt-get remove my current j2re1.4, it wants to remove j2sdk1.4 - do I need to get the .bin file for both? |
| 01:40.02 | dan2 | bob2: than I can write everything off as a business expense |
| 01:40.10 | bob2 | [Outlaw]: the sdk .bin includes the jre |
| 01:40.17 | [Outlaw] | Oh, whoops |
| 01:40.19 | toresbe__ | bob2: I have troubles, I have woes, Somehow, I'm stuck with 'doze |
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| 01:40.36 | libv | oh, right, is it that casio with the big greyscale lcd, something like a small tablet... |
| 01:40.37 | [Outlaw] | And I was 15mb into the jre file, too |
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| 01:40.52 | bob2 | toresbe__: you write poems, you write prose, why not ship me one of those? |
| 01:40.53 | toresbe__ | libv: 2400U |
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| 01:41.06 | libv | because iirc, most casiopeia's were nec VR based, ah, yes |
| 01:41.06 | bob2 | (palmtops) |
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| 01:41.31 | toresbe__ | bob2: ROFL... I say we ban anyone here who refuse to speak in rhymes! |
| 01:41.35 | libv | toresbe__: so you haven't really tried sticking a linux or a bsd on it then? |
| 01:41.39 | toresbe__ | bob2: Uh, starting in a few lines ;) |
| 01:41.43 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 01:41.46 | dan2 | bob2: the system is corrupt but I think I'll find a way to make money out of this |
| 01:41.59 | libv | toresbe__: which is afaik, not that easy, since there is no flash, just a ce rom |
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| 01:42.22 | toresbe__ | libv: I know. But you should be able to boot from either the CF, OR the PCMCIA |
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| 01:42.27 | bob2 | dan2: hah, be careful, I hear federal prison isn't as much fun as it sounds |
| 01:42.31 | bob2 | Subject: Super Hardrock E-rection at Cheapest Price! spglljo rp |
| 01:43.02 | dan2 | bob2: techincally these books are business expenses |
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| 01:43.42 | toresbe__ | libv: If you only get a program running in kernel space, which isn't implemented 'till 2.10, while I HAVE, OF COURSE, 2.0. |
| 01:44.30 | dan2 | bob2: more importantly NPO's don't have to pay tax on things that are business expenses |
| 01:44.42 | dan2 | or at least Sales Tax |
| 01:44.54 | libv | heh, bloody winCe devices |
| 01:45.13 | libv | only the casiopeia 1xxen are actually really usable |
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| 01:46.08 | toresbe__ | libv: It would be a funking awesome device with Linux, though... |
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| 01:46.29 | toresbe__ | libv: Its touchscreen lacks paralell... |
| 01:46.45 | toresbe__ | libv: Of course, I have a H5450... But the screen is crushed, and I |
| 01:46.52 | libv | toresbe__: would it? i would expect it would be a good ebook reader..., 8mb if memory serves |
| 01:46.57 | toresbe__ | libv: 'm too stinkin' lazy to get the money for it. |
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| 01:47.11 | toresbe__ | libv: Exactly. I'm impressed :) |
| 01:47.14 | bob2 | [Outlaw]: another AP in dickson, near the national australia bank |
| 01:47.34 | skorpfox | u guys know if there is a linux distro to replace winCE on pda's? |
| 01:47.45 | [Outlaw] | Cool |
| 01:47.50 | [Outlaw] | How'd you find out about these? |
| 01:48.03 | greyskull | skorpfox: familiar |
| 01:48.18 | skorpfox | greyskull: familiar? |
| 01:48.23 | bob2 | [Outlaw]: there was a thread about it on the clug list. |
| 01:48.26 | libv | toresbe__: well, i once almost bid one on, but then someone else did instead and i only saw real use for it as an ebook reader :) |
| 01:48.27 | greyskull | greyskull: handhelds.org |
| 01:48.33 | [Outlaw] | Aha |
| 01:48.34 | greyskull | greyskull: familiar distro |
| 01:48.39 | skorpfox | ahhh ok |
| 01:48.40 | greyskull | errr |
| 01:48.45 | skorpfox | cool I will check that out |
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| 01:48.54 | [Outlaw] | I've been told I should join that by Francis Whittle (fudje) |
| 01:49.00 | skorpfox | wonder if it will work for mine. hehe |
| 01:49.08 | libv | the trouble with most CE devices is that it is a non-flashable rom |
| 01:49.15 | greyskull | skorpfox: runs great on my iPaq |
| 01:49.22 | toresbe__ | libv: True... But ther are other valid uses. It has a PCMCIA card, wherein my WLAN card (Hermes) would fit... X10 controller, anyone? |
| 01:49.44 | toresbe__ | "Tore, why are the drapes moving by themselves? TORE, WHAT IS THE COUCH DOING NOW?" |
| 01:49.45 | skorpfox | greyskull: mine is XDA 2, so I am wondering if they have support for GPRS and Wireless in there. ;-) |
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| 01:49.59 | libv | even quite useful devices like hp 7x0 and nec mobilepro 7x0 have to have linux/BSD off CF |
| 01:50.01 | greyskull | skorpfox: not sure.. have a dual PCMCIA in mine |
| 01:50.12 | bob2 | [Outlaw]: ah, it is an interesting list. |
| 01:50.12 | greyskull | skorpfox: unsightly bulk |
| 01:50.21 | bob2 | [Outlaw]: you're not at uni with fudje are you? |
| 01:50.22 | libv | and then you'd have to worry about the support they have, these are pre-2000 devices, not many survive |
| 01:50.31 | [Outlaw] | Yep, I am |
| 01:50.33 | libv | some have no touchscreen, some even have no graphics |
| 01:50.34 | bob2 | ahhhh |
| 01:50.38 | dan2 | bob2: what would be a preprocessor statement to replace all malloc(x) with GC_MALLOC(x) and free(x) with GC_FREE(x) |
| 01:50.44 | skorpfox | greyskull: hehehe thankfully my wifi add-on card is the size of a SD card that plugs in the side. so no bulk. |
| 01:50.44 | toresbe__ | libv: eek. |
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| 01:50.59 | bob2 | dan2: #define malloc(x) GC_MALLOC(x) |
| 01:51.22 | dan2 | bob2: thanks and the other one is like that too I take it |
| 01:51.38 | dan2 | hmm |
| 01:51.39 | greyskull | skorpfox: yeah i need a new one.. this ones three years old |
| 01:51.42 | bob2 | dan2: yeah. |
| 01:52.00 | dan2 | bob2: that could actually cause a problem if the garbage collector used malloc in its code no? |
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| 01:52.13 | bob2 | dan2: hmmm |
| 01:52.21 | dan2 | bob2: nevermind, these are headers, nothing is defined of that sort |
| 01:52.27 | bob2 | dan2: only make that #define in your code |
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| 01:52.30 | skorpfox | greyskull: still works though. I still have a 486 handeling a firewall. Still works like a champion. lol |
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| 01:53.29 | toresbe__ | Haha, there's a project... The PDP-7 firewall? :D |
| 01:53.36 | dan2 | bob2: If I wanted the STL to use that too, I could do this right |
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| 01:53.49 | bob2 | dan2: hah, that would be nasty |
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| 01:53.55 | bob2 | dan2: the STL doesn't generally use malloc |
| 01:54.04 | greyskull | skorpfox: yup, they do work.. gets a little iffy once you netfilter/snort/tc it though :) |
| 01:54.04 | libv | well, soekris sells amd elans |
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| 01:54.09 | libv | those are amd 486sen |
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| 01:54.15 | Infohawk | Since I upgraded to exim 4 I'm getting mail received "from root by knoppix with local" about being unable to lookup knooppix via gethostbyname." I installed with the netfloppies. What's going on here? |
| 01:54.15 | Infohawk | Since I upgraded to exim 4 I'm getting mail received "from root by knoppix with local" about being unable to lookup knooppix via gethostbyname." I installed with the netfloppies. What's going on here? |
| 01:54.19 | dan2 | bob2: #include <GCHEADER[what ever the hell it is]> , #define malloc(x) GC_MALLOC(x), then include the rest |
| 01:54.26 | dan2 | bob2: vector must somewhere |
| 01:54.29 | libv | make good WAP/router/firewalls those |
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| 01:54.57 | greyskull | yup the elans do |
| 01:54.59 | [Outlaw] | Wow, I reconnected |
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| 01:55.20 | [Outlaw] | Usually my ppp thing craps itself when it needs to reboot. :| |
| 01:55.21 | libv | i saw something cute a while back: www.meshcube.org |
| 01:55.23 | skorpfox | greyskull: theres a lot of preprietary stuff on mine, so I am not sure how it will work. Pretty touchy to do this type of thing since it is my Cell Phone as well. :-S |
| 01:55.25 | bob2 | dan2: sure, but it doesn't use malloc directly, afaik. |
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| 01:55.31 | dan2 | bob2: oh |
| 01:55.47 | libv | AMD alchemy (MIPS) @ 400Mhz |
| 01:55.53 | greyskull | skorpfox: no ringie after you load fam on it.. |
| 01:56.02 | libv | 64RAM, 32flash |
| 01:56.07 | skorpfox | greyskull: no ringing? |
| 01:56.10 | dan2 | bob2: hah I knew it |
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| 01:56.19 | greyskull | skorpfox: no phone support |
| 01:56.26 | dan2 | bob2: I told you STL was a rewrite of Foundation/GNUStep for C++ |
| 01:56.32 | skorpfox | greyskull: ewww guess then its outta the question. :-S |
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| 01:56.35 | greyskull | skorpfox: just PDA |
| 01:56.42 | dan2 | /usr/include/c++/3.3/i486-linux/bits/gthr-posix.h: mutex->backend = objc_malloc (sizeof (pthread_mutex_t)); |
| 01:56.44 | edt | how do I tell apt not to f__k with my symlinks for gcc and friends |
| 01:56.55 | dan2 | bob2: they lazely copied objc malloc too :) |
| 01:56.57 | skorpfox | greyskull: mark one up for the windows preprietary people. |
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| 01:57.06 | bob2 | edt: um, do it properly with symlinks in /usr/local? |
| 01:57.07 | greyskull | skorpfox: thats going to be years away.. |
| 01:57.10 | bob2 | edt: or dpkg-divert it. |
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| 01:57.16 | edt | last update switched me from 3.4 to 3.3 causing fun on my last reboot |
| 01:57.25 | skorpfox | greyskull: probably, the PDA/Cell phones are just starting to come out not too long ago |
| 01:57.32 | edt | bob2 it amoung debian selections |
| 01:57.39 | dan2 | bob2: /usr/include/c++/3.3/bits/stl_alloc.h does call malloc directly |
| 01:57.46 | bob2 | I have no idea what that sentence means. |
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| 01:57.59 | edt | how do I tell it I want 3.4 as the default |
| 01:58.02 | bob2 | dan2: you could make your own allocator. |
| 01:58.03 | libv | skorpfox: the siemens SX45 was a cassiopeia E-125G with a GSM module thrown on |
| 01:58.12 | bob2 | edt: um, why? you know that will break things, right? |
| 01:58.17 | libv | skorpfox: from '00 too |
| 01:58.18 | dan2 | bob2: is it difficult? |
| 01:58.21 | edt | bob2 it can |
| 01:58.26 | greyskull | skorpfox: yeah you'll see em.. i dont see it it coming in familiar or any other distro.. but who knows |
| 01:58.27 | bob2 | dan2: I've never tried. |
| 01:58.34 | skorpfox | libv: the phone ability worked as well? |
| 01:58.42 | edt | 3.4 is what I want to use for kernel compiles |
| 01:58.43 | bob2 | edt: make a symlink in /usr/local, or use dpkg-divert. |
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| 01:58.58 | bob2 | the same gcc 3.4 that breaks kernel builds? |
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| 01:59.05 | libv | skorpfox: you mean with a linux or BSD running on it? i doubt many open source folk owned one of them |
| 01:59.06 | skorpfox | greyskull: well I am not a linux expert so I don't think I will be attempting this anytime soon |
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| 01:59.34 | dan2 | bob2: is STL iostream thread safe? |
| 01:59.43 | Screeling | I have a problem: GDM launches, I've chosen Gnome as my session, I login, then it goes to a gray background with a "Debian GNU/Linux" logo in the middle and will hang there indefinitely. how can I get past this? |
| 01:59.48 | skorpfox | libv: yea, seeing if I can get an activesync clone for my XDA2 or switch out the OS on it |
| 01:59.57 | bob2 | Screeling: does it affect all users? |
| 01:59.57 | LSorensen | Screeling: what do the mouse buttons do? |
| 01:59.57 | edt | bob2 I can see how usr local would work but not how dpkg-divert would be a good idea |
| 02:00.03 | skorpfox | libv: found synce-kde but that doesn't work so hot |
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| 02:00.08 | libv | you really have to look hard for pointers towards getting a linux or BSD on the e-1x5, so it becomes even worse for the SX45 |
| 02:00.15 | Screeling | bob2, I'm the only user. just got Debian installed not too long ago |
| 02:00.19 | edt | is there no way to tell dpkg/apt that 3.4 should be the default? |
| 02:00.24 | bob2 | Screeling: try creating a new user. |
| 02:00.28 | LSorensen | edt: 3.4 what? |
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| 02:00.29 | Screeling | mouse buttons do nothing except when I click on the menus |
| 02:00.31 | bob2 | edt: symlinks and dpkg-divert. |
| 02:00.32 | edt | gcc |
| 02:00.41 | LSorensen | edt: do you have 3.4 installed? |
| 02:00.42 | Guerin | grrr, power outage |
| 02:00.44 | edt | yes |
| 02:00.46 | bob2 | edt: it doesn't use the alternatives system precisesly so idiots don't change it |
| 02:00.52 | LSorensen | edt: what version is the package 'gcc'? |
| 02:00.53 | Screeling | bob2 after creating new user, anything else? |
| 02:00.54 | pir4 | anyone using Lirc ? |
| 02:01.01 | nvz | ~ |
| 02:01.04 | bob2 | Screeling: try logging in via gdm. |
| 02:01.13 | Screeling | I thought I was |
| 02:01.14 | bob2 | dan2: I think so. |
| 02:01.16 | LSorensen | edt: and you can always use CC="gcc -V3.4.0" |
| 02:01.20 | nvz | hello |
| 02:01.34 | bob2 | dan2: the docs have a section on that...the container's aren't, I remember that much. |
| 02:01.40 | edt | gcc-3.4-base_3.4.0-2_i386.deb |
| 02:01.45 | LSorensen | edt: the 'gcc' defaults package has not yet been updated to 3.4 |
| 02:01.50 | LSorensen | edt: that is NOT the gcc package. |
| 02:01.51 | bob2 | and will not be |
| 02:01.56 | LSorensen | edt: that is the gcc 3.4 base package |
| 02:01.59 | nvz | our power goes out here like every morning |
| 02:01.59 | bob2 | since gcc 3.4 breaks lots of things |
| 02:02.04 | dan2 | LSorensen: I hope you mean gcc -V3.4 |
| 02:02.08 | LSorensen | bob2: well on arm it fixes some |
| 02:02.12 | LSorensen | dan2: maybe :) |
| 02:02.17 | nvz | I am beginning to wonder why we pay for electric |
| 02:02.18 | bob2 | LSorensen: not the ABI, tho ;-) |
| 02:02.20 | edt | bob2 yes and it also run much faster |
| 02:02.23 | LSorensen | dan2: I have seen both work at different times |
| 02:02.34 | bob2 | right, speed over reliability |
| 02:02.34 | LSorensen | bob2: perhaps for c++, but for C it fixes some errors |
| 02:02.35 | bob2 | good choice |
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| 02:02.41 | edt | for the compiles I do I will risk breaks |
| 02:02.57 | bob2 | so, you've had three solutions offered now. |
| 02:03.02 | cafuego | whoa, i glued a massive wing onto my gentoo box so it goes fastermate! |
| 02:03.06 | dan2 | bob2: gcc 3.4 has upgrade c++ and compiles much faster imho |
| 02:03.14 | LSorensen | edt: I personally got the source for gcc-defaults and updated it to support 3.4 as default |
| 02:03.16 | dan2 | bob2: also has the nice precompiled headers support |
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| 02:03.30 | edt | bob2 and I _do_ appriecate the answers |
| 02:03.32 | edt | really |
| 02:03.35 | bob2 | dan2: and it chancges the ABI on a bunch of platforms, and it's a LOT stricter, so some olod code doesn't build anyumore |
| 02:03.39 | bob2 | PCH is cool |
| 02:03.45 | LSorensen | edt: updating gcc defaults is not the most trivial job, but certainly doable |
| 02:03.51 | skorpfox | whats the best CD burning program to use? |
| 02:03.56 | Guerin | cafuego: put red racing stripes on too - that'll give you a 0.7346% speed boost!!!1 |
| 02:04.04 | LSorensen | bob2: g++ 3.x in general breaks a lot of old code |
| 02:04.15 | dan2 | bob2: stricter is better |
| 02:04.15 | LSorensen | skorpfox: cdrecord generally. for dvd growisofs is best. |
| 02:04.22 | hyde | you need a red "r" |
| 02:04.25 | bob2 | LSorensen: true...3.4 in particular has a brand new and strict parser, tho |
| 02:04.26 | pir4 | hi peterS |
| 02:04.31 | skorpfox | LSorensen: thanks. ^_^ |
| 02:04.36 | LSorensen | bob2: sounds lovely :) |
| 02:04.46 | bob2 | nautilus's cd burning stuff in 2.6 is pretty cool |
| 02:04.47 | dan2 | bob2: compiles kernels nicely |
| 02:04.55 | bob2 | especially from a Just Works perspective |
| 02:04.58 | toresbe_ | Good night all... |
| 02:05.00 | LSorensen | bob2: at least gcc 3.4 compiles openssl correctly on arm, which 3.3 did not (3.2 did) |
| 02:05.04 | toresbe_ | bob2: Nighty-nighty. |
| 02:05.08 | edt | LSorensen suspect I am missing something - what is the package name? |
| 02:05.16 | bob2 | toresbe_: adios. |
| 02:05.25 | bob2 | LSorensen: ah, I din't know that |
| 02:05.26 | nvz | cafuego: I thought wings were to direct the air flow to produce more control |
| 02:05.26 | LSorensen | edt: gcc-defaults is the package source name |
| 02:05.45 | Tezkah | hooray, freenode knows I'm not a bot |
| 02:05.55 | LSorensen | bob2: well if you drop to -O2 on arm, it's ok in 3.3, but it works with O3 on 3.2 and 3.4 |
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| 02:05.59 | edt | apt says: E: Couldn't find package gcc-defaults |
| 02:06.01 | apt | edt: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 02:06.03 | toresbe_ | Tezkah: Was it narrow? |
| 02:06.07 | cafuego | nvz: Naaaaah makes it go faster! i also added blue LEDs... that gave me a good extra 5Km/h |
| 02:06.13 | LSorensen | edt: apt-get source gcc-defaults |
| 02:06.19 | toresbe_ | Tezkah: I flunked the Turing test... |
| 02:06.30 | Tezkah | toresbe_, I asked a dutch guy in #openbsd to say his statement in an easier to understand sentance |
| 02:06.34 | Blue_Hair | so just installing debian sarge wont give me SMP support..? |
| 02:06.38 | Tezkah | I think he was the owner |
| 02:06.41 | Tezkah | and got really upset |
| 02:06.45 | LSorensen | Blue_Hair: you would have to install an smp kernel too |
| 02:06.46 | bob2 | LSorensen: ahhh, right. I hear mozilla can't evcen build with -O1 on most platforms, I wonder if 3.4 fixes that, too. |
| 02:06.46 | Tezkah | I think I insulted some dutch queen |
| 02:06.50 | nvz | cafuego: oh, I seen those blue running lights on my dads new laptop, I figured they just reduce battery life *shrug* |
| 02:06.52 | cafuego | nvz: I'm looking for a 747 wing on eBay now, coz the bigger the wing, the faster it goes. |
| 02:06.57 | bob2 | Blue_Hair: apt-cache search kernel-image|grep smp |
| 02:07.03 | LSorensen | bob2: well as I said I haven't dealt with c++ at all, only c |
| 02:07.23 | dan2 | bob2: stricter compilers inspire people to write better code |
| 02:07.30 | Blue_Hair | but the debian isntall wont ask me if I want to use the "smp" kernel ? |
| 02:07.31 | LSorensen | edt: be warned it is a VERY strange package |
| 02:07.35 | toresbe_ | nvz: LEDs use so rediculously little power that battery life is NOT an issue |
| 02:07.35 | dan2 | bob2: qotd from President Bush |
| 02:07.43 | cafuego | nvz: I might need to recompile evrything with gcc 3.5 after that, though. it's pre-alpha, but it's FAST! |
| 02:07.45 | LSorensen | Blue_Hair: then pick it manually after install. |
| 02:07.46 | bob2 | Blue_Hair: correct. |
| 02:07.53 | dan2 | bob2: "Rarely is the question asked, 'Is our children learning?'" |
| 02:07.54 | Blue_Hair | :/ |
| 02:07.57 | bob2 | Blue_Hair: it requires a single command to be run, post-install. |
| 02:08.05 | nvz | cafuego: try google for the "F1 ATX Case" thats got to make it faster |
| 02:08.05 | toresbe_ | dan2: Old. |
| 02:08.06 | LSorensen | I love LEDs that come on to tell you your battery is low. :) |
| 02:08.13 | bob2 | Blue_Hair: why do you care? installing with an SMP kernel isn't going to be any faster. |
| 02:08.17 | edt | LSorensen thanks for the help/warning |
| 02:08.19 | dan2 | toresbe_: its still funny |
| 02:08.23 | bob2 | dan2: yes, but stricter compilers break piles of old code |
| 02:08.23 | Blue_Hair | bob2: the post command is: apt-get install ? |
| 02:08.27 | bob2 | dan2: hah. |
| 02:08.32 | bob2 | Blue_Hair: no. |
| 02:08.32 | cafuego | nvz: WHOA! GOOD IDEA! |
| 02:08.38 | bob2 | 12:06:58 bob2 | Blue_Hair: apt-cache search kernel-image|grep smp |
| 02:08.38 | LSorensen | edt: has a bunch of weird defines to get right in the rules file |
| 02:08.39 | toresbe_ | LSorensen: "Your battery is low. But fear not, I shall spend much battery time alerting you of it! |
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| 02:08.54 | dan2 | toresbe_: buy the anti-bush bumper sticker collection |
| 02:09.00 | LSorensen | toresbe_: or my cell phone beeping at me to tell me it's running low on power :) |
| 02:09.04 | bob2 | "Just because you're blue, don't make me too" |
| 02:09.08 | Blue_Hair | post command is search for image then apt-get install image |
| 02:09.09 | dan2 | I stuck some on my neighbors car already (bush supporter) |
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| 02:09.21 | toresbe_ | I'm gonna make an LED display! |
| 02:09.25 | bob2 | Blue_Hair: yes |
| 02:09.31 | dan2 | "We are Gooder" |
| 02:09.33 | dan2 | :) |
| 02:09.33 | nvz | cafuego: I missed the presumably interesting discussion that turned you into a gentoo troll *g* |
| 02:09.36 | LSorensen | toresbe_: those have already been done. :) |
| 02:09.38 | cafuego | dan2: the time for stickers has come and gone, add sugar to their fueltank. |
| 02:09.38 | Blue_Hair | toresbe: physical LED ? what are you talking about |
| 02:09.41 | toresbe_ | dan2: ROFL |
| 02:09.43 | bob2 | LSorensen: heh, my ibook turns on an extra LED when it goes into sleep-to-ram mode |
| 02:09.45 | Screeling | bob2 I created another user and logged in with it and I still reach a gray screen with a "Debian GNU/Linux" logo in the middle that goes nowhere |
| 02:09.54 | Screeling | bob2 root does the same |
| 02:09.54 | bob2 | Screeling: what version of Debian? |
| 02:10.01 | Blue_Hair | toresbe: keyboard LED ? |
| 02:10.02 | Screeling | tried it on sarge and sid |
| 02:10.03 | LSorensen | bob2: oh the "I'm not really off" light? |
| 02:10.03 | cafuego | nvz: There wasn't really one, just some talk of people using gcc 3.4 coz it's faster. |
| 02:10.09 | Screeling | bob2 both sarge and sid |
| 02:10.18 | bob2 | LSorensen: yeah, with a surprisingly pleasant frequency |
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| 02:10.18 | toresbe_ | No, like in a large large array of LEDs... |
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| 02:10.28 | linuser | did sumbody found a fix to replace the /etc/kde3/kde-update-menu alternative |
| 02:10.30 | toresbe_ | But I just got an even better idea... |
| 02:10.32 | Blue_Hair | toresbe: a large array for LEDs for what |
| 02:10.33 | bob2 | LSorensen: if linux ever suspends to ram, I'll be sure to sendn a patch to blink it... |
| 02:10.35 | linuser | solution? |
| 02:10.36 | nvz | cafuego: oh. yeah well did you tell them to subtract the time it would take to recompile the whole system and work out the bugs? |
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| 02:10.39 | LSorensen | bob2: oh it's the one that doesn't blink, it fades on and off? |
| 02:10.41 | linuser | with kde3.2? |
| 02:10.46 | toresbe_ | Blue_Hair: As a display! |
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| 02:10.48 | linuser | i dosent seem to work anymore |
| 02:10.49 | bob2 | linuser: #debian-kde |
| 02:10.49 | dan2 | bob2: qotd2 "When I a met Dan Quail, I thought he would be stupid, but... I felt like I was talking to a pole" |
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| 02:10.50 | Syntax | Screeling: sounds like your window manager or display manager isn't kicking in |
| 02:10.56 | bob2 | LSorensen: ah, yes |
| 02:11.03 | linuser | i'm there and no one know the secret ;( |
| 02:11.03 | edt | LSorensen is your patch for 1.16 (guessing) posted anywhere? |
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| 02:11.07 | Screeling | syntax how do I work to resolve that? |
| 02:11.09 | Blue_Hair | toresbe: PM |
| 02:11.11 | bob2 | Screeling: how did you install gnome? |
| 02:11.16 | LSorensen | bob2: sure looks different, and probably didn't make the hardware that much more complex |
| 02:11.20 | Screeling | bob2 apt-get install gnome |
| 02:11.26 | LSorensen | edt: ehm, no it's at work (and I am not) |
| 02:11.28 | toresbe_ | Blue_Hair: Pants monkey? |
| 02:11.29 | cafuego | nvz: bugs? it's released innit? shouldn't have bugs. |
| 02:11.29 | Syntax | Screeling: did you choose to use gnome? |
| 02:11.35 | edt | ahh |
| 02:11.45 | edt | that |
| 02:11.47 | LSorensen | edt: I thought it best not to spread such hacks around much :) |
| 02:11.48 | Screeling | syntax on the session menu I did. after I login, then I reach my problem |
| 02:11.56 | Tezkah | is there a debian newsgroup? |
| 02:11.56 | nvz | cafuego: ever heard of Microsoft? |
| 02:12.00 | edt | you are probably right |
| 02:12.03 | LSorensen | Tezkah: there are mailing lists |
| 02:12.09 | cafuego | nvz: no, what's that? |
| 02:12.18 | Syntax | Screeling: oh, so you do get a graphical login screen and it accepts your credentials? |
| 02:12.19 | Tezkah | whoa, wtf |
| 02:12.22 | cafuego | ok, i'll shut up now and go have lunch |
| 02:12.24 | Tezkah | "alt.binaries.linux.warez" |
| 02:12.29 | nvz | cafuego: cheers |
| 02:12.30 | Tezkah | hey guyz, I WAREZ'D LINUX! |
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| 02:12.41 | bob2 | Try to stay on-topic. |
| 02:12.44 | Syntax | Tezkah: warez debian all you want |
| 02:12.46 | linuser | i can beleive that no one know the scret ;( |
| 02:12.46 | cafuego | Tezkah: vmware, games etc. |
| 02:12.51 | Syntax | warez the hell out of it |
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| 02:12.53 | LSorensen | Tezkah: probably for stuff like maya, vmware, crossover, etc |
| 02:12.55 | bob2 | linuser: #debian-kde |
| 02:12.57 | skorpfox | lol |
| 02:12.57 | bob2 | linuser: and WAIT |
| 02:12.58 | Screeling | syntax yes. I reach a screen after GDM launches that has 3 menus (languages, session, actions) and a clock at the lower right. it also gives a login window. it accepts my login and pw |
| 02:12.58 | fong | Tezkah: duh thats for proprietaqry linux software obviously |
| 02:12.59 | Tezkah | ah |
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| 02:13.09 | bob2 | linuser: or ask in a useful place, like the debian-kde mailing list |
| 02:13.16 | Screeling | syntax after login, I reach my problem |
| 02:13.18 | cafuego | Linspire 2.0 rar [2132/23342] |
| 02:13.25 | linuser | bob2 thank you for your support ;) i will try |
| 02:13.37 | fong | oh ya thats true trhere are linux distros that are illegal to distribute |
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| 02:13.45 | dan2 | Tezkah: what usenet server are you using? |
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| 02:13.52 | fong | linspire, suse, etc. |
| 02:13.54 | bob2 | ok |
| 02:13.58 | Syntax | Screeling: ok, GDM is your display manager so that's not the problem. it's your window manager that isn't kicking in or something |
| 02:13.59 | bob2 | I somehow bent my ibook |
| 02:14.04 | Tezkah | dan2, just my ISP's |
| 02:14.07 | cafuego | fong: Not their GPL components. |
| 02:14.07 | Syntax | let me check my gdm, it's been a loooong time |
| 02:14.10 | bob2 | so the bottom right corner doesn't sit on the desk anymore |
| 02:14.10 | LSorensen | fong: well at least parts of them can not be copied |
| 02:14.15 | cafuego | fong: ... which they should have available. |
| 02:14.21 | dan2 | Tezkah: hmm my ISP provides usenet |
| 02:14.23 | fong | you cant download the whole iso |
| 02:14.24 | Screeling | syntax any suggestions on how to resolve this? |
| 02:14.25 | Tezkah | dan2, would that just show messages from other people on my ISP's network? |
| 02:14.26 | fong | its copyrighted |
| 02:14.27 | bob2 | They can copyright the ISO itself. |
| 02:14.30 | Tezkah | or all of usenet? |
| 02:14.34 | bob2 | ala OpenBSD. |
| 02:14.35 | Tezkah | I dont quite understand that |
| 02:14.39 | fong | openbsd iso is illegal to copy too |
| 02:14.41 | fong | ya |
| 02:14.58 | bob2 | I wonder if it's GPL-compatible... |
| 02:15.01 | Syntax | Screeling: one sec, gotta check my configs |
| 02:15.10 | Screeling | syntax okay, thanks |
| 02:15.11 | LSorensen | bob2: openbsd? in many ways probably not |
| 02:15.36 | bob2 | LSorensen: the copyrighting iso bit...openbsd at least includes gcc. |
| 02:15.51 | fong | ya but you can still download openbsd sources |
| 02:15.53 | Tezkah | openbsd makes its money off of the CDs they sell |
| 02:15.55 | LSorensen | bob2: as do all linux distributions. they don't tell you not to copy gcc of the cd |
| 02:16.01 | Tezkah | you can download netinstalls, or build your own iso |
| 02:16.08 | Tezkah | there's a big faq on it |
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| 02:16.14 | LSorensen | Tezkah: yep. too bad I hate their installer. netbsd's installer worked way better |
| 02:16.19 | fong | like if you write a letter to suse requesting the source of a program they will probably send you it so they are gpl compatable even though copying the actual iso is illegal |
| 02:16.25 | Tezkah | its 3 damn megabytes! |
| 02:16.29 | Tezkah | which is insane |
| 02:16.41 | Tezkah | I got the debian one, its like 100 |
| 02:16.43 | Syntax | Screeling: apt-get install sawfish-gnome |
| 02:16.53 | LSorensen | Tezkah: I installed using 3 floppies on this machine |
| 02:17.03 | Tezkah | LSorensen: debian? |
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| 02:17.05 | LSorensen | Tezkah: yeah |
| 02:17.13 | Tezkah | ah |
| 02:17.19 | Screeling | Syntax what will this do? |
| 02:17.22 | nvz | I installed using turkey gibblets and gravy |
| 02:17.33 | Syntax | Screeling: install the Sawfish window manager |
| 02:17.33 | bob2 | LSorensen: ssh bob2 sudo modprobe articulation ;) |
| 02:17.33 | LSorensen | Tezkah: I forget what size the pmax netinstall image was for netbsd |
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| 02:17.49 | Syntax | what you're probably seeing right now is TWM (Tab Window Manager) |
| 02:17.52 | Ahmet_S | hi |
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| 02:17.55 | Syntax | it's ... pretty ancient |
| 02:17.59 | bob2 | LSorensen: I meant "I wonder if it's GPL-compatible for OpenBSD to restrict distribution of their ISOs while including gcc" |
| 02:18.04 | Ahmet_S | how can i write autoloading modules to a file |
| 02:18.08 | Syntax | only big geeks use TWM |
| 02:18.20 | nvz | Ahmet_S: the file is called /etc/modules |
| 02:18.26 | LSorensen | bob2: I suspect so. They are not preventing redistribution of the gpl software |
| 02:18.31 | nvz | Ahmet_S: you can write with echo or any editor |
| 02:18.32 | fong | all they have to do to copmply with the gpl is aghree that if you write a letter to them they send you a tape with the source |
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| 02:19.13 | fong | you just have to make the source available it never said eaily available or available for download |
| 02:19.19 | nvz | Ahmet_S: if a module were auto-loading it would not need to be a module, the list of modules to be probed at boot is in /etc/modules |
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| 02:20.06 | bob2 | fong: it also says you cannot impose more retrictions than the GPL does |
| 02:20.10 | bob2 | and they are doijng so |
| 02:20.11 | gothtec | I HATE MY EARS! |
| 02:20.16 | fong | no they arent |
| 02:20.17 | fong | how |
| 02:20.18 | starseed | we are sofa king , we todd ed |
| 02:20.21 | fong | you can still get the source |
| 02:20.23 | ecalot | is gnome working in testing again? |
| 02:20.32 | LSorensen | ecalot: probably not |
| 02:20.50 | Tezkah | gnomes problem is the icon thing, right? |
| 02:20.51 | LSorensen | ecalot: given I just saw packages go into unstable mentioning "urgency high to get this into testing ASAP to fix gnome' |
| 02:20.56 | gothtec | I can hear network cards transferring data, and some cpus. They make extremely high frequency noices and they're annoying as hell! I. Hate. My. Ears! |
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| 02:21.18 | gothtec | :( |
| 02:21.19 | Klebel | is the ReiserFS a good choice for a filesystem? |
| 02:21.22 | LSorensen | gothtec: garbage sound device? |
| 02:21.27 | emmetea | gothtec: thats why you give your computers their own room |
| 02:21.27 | bob2 | fong: because gcc on the CD is not freely distributable as the GPL insists |
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| 02:21.36 | LSorensen | Klebel: I won't trust my data to reiserfs 3.x |
| 02:21.42 | Guerin | Klebel: depends who you ask - google for some filesystem benchmarks |
| 02:21.49 | gothtec | LSorensen: these servers dont have sound cards |
| 02:21.51 | Tezkah | is ext3 the other option? |
| 02:21.51 | LSorensen | bob2: yes it is, the cd image is not, the contents are |
| 02:21.54 | fong | all the gpl says is you have to have the source available if someone requests it |
| 02:21.54 | Klebel | ive herd Reiser is good |
| 02:21.57 | Guerin | bob2: does it keep moving up slowly? |
| 02:21.58 | Klebel | but i dunno about stable |
| 02:21.58 | LSorensen | gothtec: oh that is weird then |
| 02:22.02 | gothtec | emmetea: indeed. though i have to work with them some times |
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| 02:22.16 | jrdittmann | well.. tonight will be ANOTHER late night with my debian box.. |
| 02:22.16 | LSorensen | Klebel: neat concept, but I have lost some data to it, so I use ext3 and xfs now (mostly ext3) |
| 02:22.20 | gothtec | LSorensen: it's the network cards themselves. you may not hear it, i do :( |
| 02:22.40 | nvz | gothtec: that sounds a bit far fetched to me.. and I know what you mean because I can hear things like that.. but i've never heard a nic before.. and only time I've heard a cpu was a ARM cpu with too much voltage and no load |
| 02:22.46 | LSorensen | gothtec: i hear monitors a lot, but never a network card (I can't imagine how a network card could generate that range of frequency) |
| 02:23.00 | Syntax | gothtec: god blessed you with dog ears |
| 02:23.19 | gothtec | LSorensen: i actually took one of the comps out of its case and put it together on my floor so I could stick my ear at everything and find out what made the noice |
| 02:23.21 | Syntax | or you're the bionic man |
| 02:23.34 | LSorensen | gothtec: does it go away if you replace the NIC with another model? |
| 02:23.44 | dan2 | bob2: bugging comcast support to give me a newsgroup username and pw now :) |
| 02:23.46 | emmetea | nvz: wow, i actually know what gothtec is talking about, at least for me it sounds almost like highpitc crickets |
| 02:23.52 | Syntax | yeah, stop using that old token ring card! |
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| 02:23.53 | gothtec | LSorensen: i have two 3com cards. they don't make that sound. intel ones do |
| 02:24.00 | LSorensen | gothtec: hmm, strange. |
| 02:24.13 | Syntax | my intel nic came with a whistle horn on it |
| 02:24.24 | gothtec | emmetea: so I'm not alone. that's at least one good think |
| 02:24.26 | gothtec | thing* |
| 02:24.30 | Syntax | small fan spins inside and shoots through a hole |
| 02:24.45 | jrdittmann | lol |
| 02:24.54 | jrdittmann | did it come with a heater, too? |
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| 02:25.01 | Syntax | yeah, and dust bunnies |
| 02:25.03 | Tezkah | my amd came with a popcorn cooker! |
| 02:25.05 | nvz | gothtec: I think its time to become amish, you are obviously mutating into a PC |
| 02:25.11 | Tezkah | oh ... I just overclocked it :S |
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| 02:25.14 | Syntax | a chip filled with dust bunnies and white smoke |
| 02:25.17 | jrdittmann | hehe |
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| 02:25.46 | debian | Tezkah: buy an Opteron, dump your athlon |
| 02:25.56 | Tezkah | heh, I dont have one yet |
| 02:25.58 | gothtec | nvz: i always did wonder about that. ever seen #amish on dalnet? it was full of people last time i saw it. |
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| 02:26.22 | Syntax | lol |
| 02:26.26 | denken | ugh |
| 02:26.48 | Tezkah | something about open-source bios |
| 02:26.51 | nvz | gothtec: I think you need your head examined.. for even knowing there is a #amish on dalnet |
| 02:26.56 | Syntax | don't go AMD, they freakin' run HOT |
| 02:27.03 | Korn | wuz up |
| 02:27.03 | Syntax | and they don't have thermal protection |
| 02:27.16 | emmetea | like what is that? what property of smoke do they not teach you about that causes it to condense in computers into asoft form? |
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| 02:27.41 | gothtec | nvz: hey I was 14 too you know. i'm not proud of it, but i used mIRC on dalnet. I was even op in my country's "official" channel or whatever. the one with the countrys name anyway |
| 02:27.44 | Syntax | I installed white smoke on my hard disk |
| 02:28.10 | debian | Goodness about Intel? Lock up every details until Microsoft got them first? :) |
| 02:28.10 | pirx | i know this isnt the correct channel, but dunno where else to ask:) - what stores with computer parts and digital cameras are there in usa? i mean, some big known ones, preferably with prices online, or perhaps online stores altogether. |
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| 02:28.10 | pirx | i am going to NYC soon and was thihnking about buying a digicam and some computer stuff there, if its cheaper |
| 02:28.13 | Tezkah | Wintel? more like Lintel! lolololol |
| 02:28.16 | ecalot | hey, I think gnome in testing is working again, brb |
| 02:28.16 | Hass | Syntax: old myth, new AMDs have thermal protection, and new Intels are very much hot |
| 02:28.24 | Syntax | what? |
| 02:28.25 | Syntax | serious? |
| 02:28.29 | Tezkah | ecalot, keep us posted |
| 02:28.34 | nvz | gothtec: yeah well when I was young and on mirc I was klined from dalnet within the first 5 minutes and I thank the irc gods for that |
| 02:28.40 | Syntax | Hass: my athlon mp 1900+'s don't have thermal prot' |
| 02:28.49 | ecalot | I'll go to gnome and see |
| 02:28.50 | Hass | Syntax: don't know if last Xps have, but 64bits have |
| 02:28.53 | debian | Syntax: new AMDs != athlon |
| 02:28.56 | robtaylor | Tezkah: heh. you shoudl build a pc from open source.... opencores.org =) |
| 02:29.04 | Tezkah | robtaylor, NEVER |
| 02:29.09 | gothtec | nvz: you lucky bastard. i must have spent about a quarter year of my life there |
| 02:29.12 | Syntax | Hass: hmm, well that's interesting |
| 02:29.17 | Syntax | Hass: you have? |
| 02:29.23 | nvz | gothtec: something shady about newnet too, but dalnet and efnet are probably the worst I've seen |
| 02:29.29 | Hass | no :( |
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| 02:30.04 | Tezkah | emmetea had a strange childhood... |
| 02:30.05 | Syntax | my dual proc box gets up to about 50'something degrees |
| 02:30.09 | Syntax | avg 54 |
| 02:30.15 | Tezkah | C? |
| 02:30.24 | LSorensen | Hass: all athlon XPs have thermal diodes, all athlon 64's have them, and I believe most athlon MPs should have them. They do require a properly made motherboard to function though |
| 02:30.30 | JoshTriplett | Tezkah: Presumably, yes. |
| 02:30.32 | emmetea | and one have any idea how to throttle a p4 propperly under linux since the ACPI sites aren't too helpfull |
| 02:30.40 | Tezkah | wasn't the new intels with 2mb of L2 Cache running at 70*C? |
| 02:30.46 | JoshTriplett | emmetea: cpufreqd |
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| 02:30.53 | debian | LSorensen: fyi only. MP claims to have one, but in my experience it doesnt'. :) |
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| 02:31.08 | debian | LSorensen: burnt two MPs at once, once. |
| 02:31.09 | ecalot | yes, it works! |
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| 02:31.12 | Stupendoussteve | !badger Stupendoussteve |
| 02:31.13 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
| 02:31.14 | Syntax | not sure if AMD fixed this but their multiprocessor CPU's require both CPU's to be present in order for the system to run. with intel based mutliprocessor systems, one cpu can die and the system will shut down only that one CPU and keep running |
| 02:31.20 | ecalot | I'm in gnome+testing again |
| 02:31.20 | Stupendoussteve | awww |
| 02:31.27 | Stupendoussteve | hmm |
| 02:31.30 | Tezkah | ecalot, everything peachy? |
| 02:31.36 | emmetea | Tezkah: im not sure but i know mine does and unless its a nice night outside on the beach the damn thing wont do CPU intensive act without rebooting |
| 02:31.38 | Hass | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.44 | ecalot | I'll take a look |
| 02:31.48 | denken | Syntax: thats not how my box works |
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| 02:31.50 | emmetea | JoshTriplett, thanks |
| 02:31.52 | denken | i can run one cpu on this machine |
| 02:32.05 | gothtec | debian: so my dual athlon xp's MODDED to mp's are actually better than mp's because they have thermal diodes? |
| 02:32.06 | Syntax | denken: amd? athlon or duron? |
| 02:32.08 | LSorensen | debian: I don't know if ANY athlon MP board has proper support for using the thermal diode |
| 02:32.13 | denken | athlon mp |
| 02:32.28 | denken | LSorensen: my TYAN tiger mp does |
| 02:32.30 | LSorensen | gothtec: well only if your board correctly supports the thermal diode |
| 02:32.37 | Syntax | Hass: interesting, will it even shut itself down? |
| 02:32.44 | LSorensen | gothtec: a lot of the first attemps at it were wrong |
| 02:32.45 | Croepha | how can i use my seconed osund card to add annother channel of sound to my computers sound, ( so i could turn two 2-cannel cards into one 4-channel ) |
| 02:32.48 | Croepha | ???? |
| 02:33.03 | Syntax | the thermal diode doesn't aid in shutting down the cpu |
| 02:33.14 | LSorensen | Croepha: well alsa supports stuff like that, although not sure if it's as easy as with a single multichannel card |
| 02:33.14 | ecalot | the sound doesn't work well |
| 02:33.20 | Hass | Syntax: no idea, in a video from Tom's Hardware the P4 2000 just went as a P100 without rebooting |
| 02:33.22 | gothtec | LSorensen: i don't think it's something i want to test |
| 02:33.25 | Syntax | denken: I got an asus... so you can have one CPU failure and the system will still run? |
| 02:33.27 | ecalot | but i think it's my problem |
| 02:33.32 | denken | Syntax: yes |
| 02:33.39 | LSorensen | gothtec: certainly not. :) |
| 02:33.40 | Syntax | denken: has that happened to you yet? |
| 02:33.46 | Tezkah | the P4 automagically slows itself down to avoid burning out, right? |
| 02:33.48 | Tezkah | if the fan dies? |
| 02:33.51 | debian | gothtec: not sure about xp |
| 02:33.52 | denken | Syntax: hehe. no ;) |
| 02:33.53 | Hass | will still run... slooooooowwwwwwwwwlyyyyyy |
| 02:33.59 | Syntax | denken: then how do you know? |
| 02:34.00 | LSorensen | Tezkah: yes, and also when it gets too hot. |
| 02:34.12 | denken | Syntax: because its stated in the mobo specs |
| 02:34.16 | Tezkah | hmm... |
| 02:34.19 | debian | LSorensen: may be this was the fault of Asus not being about to make use of the diode |
| 02:34.21 | Syntax | I think athlon mp's in general require both cpu's to run. |
| 02:34.22 | LSorensen | Tezkah: which means overclocking a P4 can make it run slower :) |
| 02:34.23 | Stupendoussteve | badger Stupendoussteve |
| 02:34.23 | emmetea | it is the most annoying thing about the P4 |
| 02:34.27 | Stupendoussteve | gah |
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| 02:34.31 | Syntax | I'll go check out that mobo manual |
| 02:34.36 | LSorensen | debian: newer asus boards do. they were I believe the first to get it right. |
| 02:34.40 | gothtec | Tezkah: the main board on my gaming computer handles that.. it has a p4 2.6@3.2 |
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| 02:35.07 | Syntax | denken: which model? |
| 02:35.10 | Hass | my ASUS A7n8x deluxe complaints (talking!!! in spakers) if the CPU fan fails |
| 02:35.11 | gothtec | Tezkah: i am not sure how big part the cpu actually has in the temparature shutdown thingy |
| 02:35.26 | Tezkah | gothtec, its done in hardware, right? |
| 02:35.27 | Syntax | lol |
| 02:35.35 | debian | LSorensen: may be mine was the first Asus duel MP board |
| 02:35.39 | debian | dual |
| 02:35.45 | Syntax | my asus just shuts down the system |
| 02:35.53 | Syntax | ungracefully, of course |
| 02:35.54 | LSorensen | debian: I think that came out before they got the thermal shutdown right |
| 02:35.54 | gothtec | Tezkah: the motherboard starts beeping if the cpu fan stops, another beep signal is given if 70 degrees is reached, and at 75 it shuts down |
| 02:36.02 | gothtec | Tezkah: all in the bios/hardware |
| 02:36.05 | Tezkah | emmetea, is yours overclocked? |
| 02:36.07 | LSorensen | Syntax: software is easier to fix than hardware :) |
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| 02:36.28 | Syntax | LSorensen: true |
| 02:36.43 | emmetea | Tezkah, no, its not, but its a laptop, so the two are right next too each other, if you flip the thing upside down it will run twice as long |
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| 02:37.04 | LSorensen | debian: even my old asus A7V shuts off if the cpu fan stops or the cpu temp goes above 75 |
| 02:37.21 | Syntax | ASUS COPS protection |
| 02:37.24 | Tezkah | emmetea, sounds like the trick to make the Playstation One run after a few months ;) |
| 02:37.26 | LSorensen | debian: it doesn't react as fast the as thermal diode stuff though |
| 02:37.35 | emmetea | Tezkah, however, as i said, outside, if its cold enough its really really nice. |
| 02:37.39 | nvz | I got old Socket 7 Intel PIIX boards here that say they will beep if the fan stops working |
| 02:37.48 | emmetea | Tezkah, it is a sony. |
| 02:37.52 | nvz | says that printed on the circut board anyhow |
| 02:37.52 | Tezkah | maybe you should get one of those stands to dissipate heat |
| 02:37.55 | Tezkah | or just put two blocks |
| 02:37.58 | LSorensen | nvz: sounds likely. pentiums generally didn't insta die when the fan died |
| 02:38.01 | Tezkah | so its not sitting on the desk directly |
| 02:38.08 | Tezkah | I know lots of Mac dealers sell them |
| 02:38.12 | Tezkah | just gives it more air to cool |
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| 02:38.19 | Syntax | does the opterons have thermal protection? |
| 02:38.47 | emmetea | Tezkah: yeah i was thinking of getting the vaio docking stataion which supposed works wonderfully,. |
| 02:38.51 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:39.10 | pir4 | plz, i need a howto for kernel on debian, anyone ? |
| 02:39.12 | Tezkah | emmetea, they said that the heat things are nice, but two blocks of wood on either side of the laptop work just as good |
| 02:39.24 | LSorensen | pir4: make-kpkg docs (kernel-package_ |
| 02:39.27 | LSorensen | !make-kpkg |
| 02:39.27 | dpkg | make-kpkg is, like, the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, or cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && fakeroot make-kpkg clean kernel_headers kernel_image && cd /usr/src && sudo dpkg -i kernel-image*.deb |
| 02:39.37 | Tezkah | ls |
| 02:39.41 | debian | LSorensen: mine is A7V too....it burnt once with the MPs(got them replaced). I must have done something wrong... |
| 02:39.47 | emmetea | Tezkah: the problem i think is the throttling int propperly implimented on this vaio unless the AC power isnt plugged in |
| 02:39.54 | Tezkah | ah |
| 02:40.00 | LSorensen | debian: what speed MPs? |
| 02:40.02 | Tezkah | so cpufreqd might help, eh? |
| 02:40.16 | debian | LSorensen: just 2100 |
| 02:40.17 | Hass | anyway in a few iterations micros will need car-like refrigerations, and CPU fan fails will get your haouse burnt xDD |
| 02:40.20 | LSorensen | emmetea: that isn't that unusual on laptops |
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| 02:40.39 | emmetea | Tezkah: exactly, Jim meantioned that and i havent yet gotten a chanc e to get the thing out |
| 02:40.49 | LSorensen | debian: well I remember the 1000mhz would fry in 8s without a heatsink, and probably under a minute with a heatsink but no fan. |
| 02:40.56 | LSorensen | debian: they are easy to fry if not cooled |
| 02:40.59 | Syntax | do the opterons run hot? |
| 02:41.12 | LSorensen | Syntax: no worse than other athlons as far as I know. |
| 02:41.23 | debian | LSorensen: true. it was not a pleasent experience. :) |
| 02:41.27 | Syntax | eek |
| 02:41.27 | emmetea | LSorensen, i know, i just remember like 386 laptop you could leave ona bed all night and not have to worry about it |
| 02:41.29 | Syntax | athlons run hot |
| 02:41.35 | gothtec | Syntax: no shit |
| 02:41.49 | gothtec | Syntax: my friends athlon idles at 60 C |
| 02:41.58 | Syntax | yeah, mine averages 54 |
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| 02:42.09 | emmetea | gothec: exactly |
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| 02:42.21 | Syntax | aluminum case, top fan, 2 rear fans, front fan |
| 02:42.23 | LSorensen | gothtec: P4's are staring to run very hot too |
| 02:42.35 | emmetea | gothtec: so it idles around 65, ad 75 resets... its ridiculus |
| 02:42.38 | debian | Syntax: check tom's hardware. it said Opteron runs cooler than athlon, dunno to what extend |
| 02:42.40 | gothtec | Syntax: AND it's one of the cpus that make high frequency sounds that annoy me |
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| 02:42.58 | gothtec | emmetea: i said my friends comp idles at 60 |
| 02:43.16 | dan2 | bob2: this is such a hassle |
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| 02:43.20 | Hass | new AMDs have an IBM's technology that makes them less hot, Intel dont want to buy that technology |
| 02:43.23 | gothtec | emmetea: my p4 idles at about 40 and goes to 55-60 on full load |
| 02:43.25 | QuikBng19 | irc://irc.absurd-irc.net/dc-warez |
| 02:43.29 | Syntax | gothtec: lol |
| 02:43.35 | Syntax | debian: ty |
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| 02:43.37 | dan2 | bob2: am still trying to get the stupid usenet account |
| 02:43.43 | emmetea | gothtec: what kind of chasis? |
| 02:43.58 | Syntax | a 2x opteron 242 setup sounds nice... |
| 02:44.03 | newbie | Good night! |
| 02:44.03 | newbie | I´m trying to install debian r3 on Compaq Deskpro EN Series,but I´ve received an error as follow: <0> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 02:44.03 | newbie | anybody can help me? |
| 02:44.09 | pir4 | anyone using ATI ? |
| 02:44.30 | emmetea | pir4: on a ppc |
| 02:44.35 | pir4 | mhh ok |
| 02:44.37 | JoshTriplett | pir4: Yes, and /msg dpkg polls . |
| 02:44.43 | gothtec | emmetea: some silent compucase thingy. don't remember what it's called, but it has 2 12cm fans that run on 7 volts each. all for the silence :) |
| 02:45.00 | gothtec | emmetea: the psu has an undervolted 12cm fan too. |
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| 02:45.11 | gothtec | emmetea: hardly makes a hum |
| 02:45.14 | pir4 | JoshTriplett, why? |
| 02:45.36 | emmetea | gothtec: im realizing the convience of having a portable dvd burner may have been a bit too high of a cost, thankfully i didnt trash my old twoer. |
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| 02:46.09 | gothtec | emmetea: huh? |
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| 02:46.50 | JoshTriplett | pir4: When you ask "Is anyone using blah?", the answer, "Yes", is not likely to help you much. If you ask a more detailed question, including information about your problem, that makes it easier for people to help you. |
| 02:46.52 | sgeigerbot | What happens if you don't mount the /proc partition inside a chroot environment? What happens if you failt to unmount it? I get the impression that this is important, but I don't know why. |
| 02:47.07 | sgeigerbot | I seem to be able to do most everything I want with or without executing the "mount -t proc /proc proc" command |
| 02:47.09 | emmetea | gothtec: my p4 is in a vaio, laptop, and if i try and burn too many dvds the thing over heats because the designers thought it would be a great idea to have the heat sink right nnext to the dvd burner |
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| 02:47.26 | JoshTriplett | sgeigerbot: Programs in the chroot can't access /proc . Whether this is a problem or not depends on the programs you run. |
| 02:48.13 | gothtec | emmetea: heh. my laptop is a p3mobile. i underclocked it so the fan never starts even on full load. i am really allergic to computer sounds |
| 02:48.15 | pir4 | JoshTriplett, ok, im using ATI, but cant get 3d accel, better ? |
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| 02:48.42 | JoshTriplett | pir4: Better. What card are you using? |
| 02:48.51 | antistar | pir4: Http://www.milatic.net/ati.htm |
| 02:48.51 | antistar | pir4: Http://www.milatic.net/ati.html |
| 02:49.01 | antistar | next |
| 02:49.02 | pir4 | well |
| 02:49.05 | pir4 | ATI Radeon 9100 |
| 02:49.10 | antistar | read my link >:O |
| 02:49.12 | antistar | install instructions |
| 02:49.16 | JoshTriplett | pir4: In that case, you don't need the ATI drivers. |
| 02:49.16 | pir4 | ill check that page :D |
| 02:49.25 | antistar | oh shit |
| 02:49.26 | JoshTriplett | pir4: s/ATI/ATI proprietary/ |
| 02:49.28 | antistar | this isn't fedora |
| 02:49.38 | antistar | this is debian :p |
| 02:49.43 | antistar | oh well, my instructions still apply |
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| 02:49.58 | newbie | hey guys ! Somebody can help me?! Please!!! |
| 02:50.04 | JoshTriplett | pir4: With a Radeon 9100, you can just use XFree86 from Sid. |
| 02:50.11 | emmetea | gothtec: bios wise or software underclocking? |
| 02:50.19 | JoshTriplett | pir4: That should give you full 3D acceleration. |
| 02:50.48 | pir4 | JoshTriplett, but dont! |
| 02:50.48 | fong | is debian bettar then gentoo |
| 02:50.54 | pir4 | mhh |
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| 02:51.00 | pir4 | both are good distros |
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| 02:51.03 | pir4 | i prefer debian |
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| 02:51.07 | pir4 | some prefer gentoo |
| 02:51.09 | fong | they are both good |
| 02:51.10 | emmetea | fong: isnt that redundent? |
| 02:51.13 | fong | its hard to decide |
| 02:51.13 | VolcomPimp | gentoo kicks ass |
| 02:51.13 | JoshTriplett | pir4: What version of the XFree86 packages are you using. |
| 02:51.18 | beastmaster | i think gentoo is better than debian |
| 02:51.24 | pir4 | debian kicks ass: why ? DPKG!!! |
| 02:51.26 | VolcomPimp | apt is good, debian sucks fat cock |
| 02:51.27 | apt | VolcomPimp: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 02:51.27 | antistar | gentoo is better if you have 6 months of your life to spare |
| 02:51.33 | pir4 | JoshTriplett, 4.3.0 |
| 02:51.53 | beastmaster | gentoo kicks ass ;), fong |
| 02:51.56 | pir4 | Debian = APT + DPKG! |
| 02:52.00 | pir4 | Gentoo = Emerge |
| 02:52.03 | pir4 | so i prefer debian |
| 02:52.07 | VolcomPimp | and only homo's use xfree |
| 02:52.10 | VolcomPimp | its all about xorg |
| 02:52.16 | nvz | newbie: ask a question? |
| 02:52.24 | JoshTriplett | pir4: I mean, what version of the Debian packages? (The difference matters because many drivers are being backported due to Debian's decision to avoid XFree864.4) |
| 02:52.24 | beastmaster | gentoo =emerge, closest pkg system to bsd unix |
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| 02:52.41 | pir4 | JoshTriplett, how can i know that ? |
| 02:52.43 | pir4 | im using Sid |
| 02:52.44 | gothtec | emmetea: well, the p3 mobile has some kind of a speedstep thingy. i set it using software and it stays that way. i am dualbooting debian and winxp on it (to be able to play windows games while i'm travelling long distances) and after setting the speedstep in debian, it's underclocked in windows too. which is good, because that fan sounds like a vacuum cleaner and takes just as much power as one. |
| 02:52.47 | pir4 | everything on last version |
| 02:52.52 | VolcomPimp | sid is old... |
| 02:52.57 | JoshTriplett | pir4: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
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| 02:53.14 | VolcomPimp | I waited weeks and still gaim .78 wasnt availible |
| 02:53.21 | pir4 | JoshTriplett ii xserver-xfree8 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 the XFree86 X server |
| 02:53.26 | VolcomPimp | is there even a gaim .78 in sid? |
| 02:53.41 | emmetea | VolcomPimp, why not roll it then? |
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| 02:54.10 | g4lt | VolcomPimp just fuck off |
| 02:54.10 | VolcomPimp | g4lt: eat me nigger |
| 02:54.10 | newbie | nvz: I´m trying to install debian r3 on Compaq Deskpro EN Series,but I´ve received an error as follow: <0> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 02:54.10 | beastmaster | u cant unroll gaim can u? |
| 02:54.10 | newbie | <newbie> anybody can help me? |
| 02:54.10 | JoshTriplett | pir4: Strange; I helped two people with even newer Radeons get them working with that exact version. |
| 02:54.14 | VolcomPimp | emmetea: cause Id rather run it on a real distro |
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| 02:54.31 | newbie | nvz: Did you see my message? |
| 02:54.34 | beastmaster | goo gentoo, guys ;) |
| 02:54.34 | nvz | when the hell was r3 released? I just burnt r2 a few days ago |
| 02:54.42 | sideone | how do i write this in source.list format (apt) http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/stable/main/ |
| 02:54.43 | pir4 | JoshTriplett, do i need any specific module loaded ? |
| 02:54.47 | nvz | newbie: yes I did |
| 02:54.58 | nvz | newbie: however I am not aware that r3 even exists |
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| 02:55.10 | newbie | nvz: I´m trying to install debian r3 on Compaq Deskpro EN Series,but I´ve received an error as follow: <0> Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 02:55.11 | emmetea | gothtec: yeah it has the speedstepping, but none of the dose programs had any way to mess with it at all and i just throw knoppix on it to see if there was anything i colud do with it.... i think i may be to actually use the thing again now. |
| 02:55.21 | beastmaster | if u want the latest kernel, stick to gentoo, and u wont regret it |
| 02:55.32 | nvz | newbie: repeating will only have you removed from the conversation |
| 02:55.32 | newbie | nvz: How can I fix it and install debian r3? |
| 02:55.35 | sideone | ? |
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| 02:55.42 | GenBot | heyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 02:55.47 | nvz | newbie: as far as I know r3 doesnt exist as I told you before |
| 02:55.53 | GenBot_ | hi my twin |
| 02:55.56 | beastmaster | lol |
| 02:56.04 | beastmaster | lol hey genboot ;) |
| 02:56.09 | beastmaster | bot :) |
| 02:56.11 | VolcomPimp | GenBot ownz! |
| 02:56.13 | g4lt | VolcomPimp you can't. you're butchered. |
| 02:56.13 | JoshTriplett | pir4: Several things to check: You should have the radeon module loaded, and you also need the agpgart driver (and if using 2.6, the chipset AGP driver) loaded before the radeon driver. |
| 02:56.13 | VolcomPimp | w00t!!! |
| 02:56.21 | GenBot | DEBIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:56.21 | GenBot | DEBIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:56.21 | beastmaster | woot :) |
| 02:56.21 | GenBot | DEBIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:56.25 | beastmaster | les :) |
| 02:56.26 | VolcomPimp | w00t!!! |
| 02:56.34 | sideone | how do i write this : http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/stable/main/ into source.list format? |
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| 02:56.34 | newbie | nvz: well I´m not sure ...I´ve downloaded on Debian web site, recorded a CD and tried to installed .... |
| 02:56.38 | GenBot_ | death to debian |
| 02:56.41 | gothtec | kick! |
| 02:56.42 | gothtec | ban! |
| 02:56.43 | GenBot | DIE DIE DIE |
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| 02:56.48 | gothtec | murder! |
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| 02:56.50 | VolcomPimp | lol |
| 02:56.56 | GenBot | DIE! |
| 02:56.58 | beastmaster | what's so good about dbian lol |
| 02:57.03 | VolcomPimp | nothing! |
| 02:57.05 | GenBot | elitism! |
| 02:57.07 | GenBot_ | debhelper: you suck, u must die |
| 02:57.15 | VolcomPimp | lol |
| 02:57.23 | GenBot_ | debhelper: do you have any brain? |
| 02:57.25 | gothtec | what the hell is this? a #windows invasion? |
| 02:57.30 | beastmaster | burn burn, more fuel to the fire |
| 02:57.44 | nvz | newbie: perhaps you should try using knoppix first its easier to learn on, but maybe you burnt cds for the wrong arch.. like ppc disks when you have an intel? |
| 02:57.46 | GenBot | but he doesn't know!! |
| 02:57.49 | gothtec | !gothsmite GenBot |
| 02:57.52 | beastmaster | come on, #debian seems so dead, we need some heat |
| 02:57.55 | GenBot | he ignored me!! |
| 02:57.58 | GenBot | hahahahahahahahhaha |
| 02:58.08 | siimo | its a windows virus hitting the irc server running on windows :p |
| 02:58.14 | newbie | nvz: It´s a Debian 3.0 r2 |
| 02:58.28 | gothtec | !ops |
| 02:58.28 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your problem. |
| 02:58.29 | VolcomPimp | BUUUUUUURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 02:58.31 | gothtec | any of you here? |
| 02:58.33 | nvz | newbie: see now you are not full of shite |
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| 02:58.40 | VolcomPimp | BUUUUUUURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 02:58.42 | GenBot_ | siimo: Nein!, this is a 2.6 virus |
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| 02:58.50 | gothtec | finally |
| 02:58.54 | nvz | newbie: I would check to make sure the cds you burnt are for your CPU arch |
| 02:58.55 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cpe-66-87-94-163.ca.sprintbbd.net] by ElectricElf |
| 02:58.56 | beastmaster | bleh |
| 02:58.56 | alindeman_ | Klined... |
| 02:58.57 | Hass | @s do your work |
| 02:59.03 | *** mode/#debian [-o ElectricElf] by ChanServ |
| 02:59.05 | ElectricElf | Heh :) |
| 02:59.06 | nvz | newbie: and possibly try knoppix out if you are such a newbie |
| 02:59.07 | robtaylor | oh thack god |
| 02:59.16 | JoshTriplett | ElectricElf: Actually, there are several more. |
| 02:59.22 | gothtec | !give ElectricElf a cookie |
| 02:59.22 | sideone | can someone please tell me a stable source line from their source list (apt) |
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| 02:59.33 | ElectricElf | Hrm, yeah. |
| 02:59.42 | beastmaster | for stable source, go gentoo.org |
| 02:59.45 | nvz | ElectricElf: I thought you were talking to me there for a second, then I remembered I am using your IRSSI theme and it highlights you ;) |
| 02:59.52 | ElectricElf | nvz: Heh :) |
| 02:59.56 | ElectricElf | nvz: Not a theme, an example config :) |
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| 03:00.13 | newbie | nvz: I´ve got some informations like: Compaq Deskpro EN Series - Pentium III 500Mhz - 128Mb - System ROM Family 686T3... |
| 03:00.16 | dan2 | bob2: whats the lkml on usenet? |
| 03:00.19 | dan2 | comp.os.linux? |
| 03:00.30 | bob2 | I'm not sure. |
| 03:00.32 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Try using gmane |
| 03:00.32 | nvz | ElectricElf: yeah.. its cool I like it.. I wish I could stare at the configs long enough to make one of my oen |
| 03:00.42 | JoshTriplett | dan2: They mirror many Free Software lists |
| 03:00.50 | bob2 | any other's left? |
| 03:00.52 | ElectricElf | nvz: Heh :) |
| 03:00.53 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: this server is faster than gmane |
| 03:00.56 | newbie | nvz: I guess that these information could be useful in this case.... What do you think? |
| 03:00.56 | emmetea | nvz: i think it helps if you do less staring and more writting |
| 03:01.01 | robtaylor | newbie: not gonna help... |
| 03:01.13 | JoshTriplett | bob2: Other banworthies, you mean? |
| 03:01.19 | bob2 | JoshTriplett: jah. |
| 03:01.28 | robtaylor | newbie: that kinda info's fine for a technical support team with a hardware database |
| 03:01.31 | emmetea | bob2: i think they quited |
| 03:01.37 | emmetea | err. |
| 03:01.39 | dan2 | bob2: JoshTripplett looks banworthy |
| 03:01.42 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:01.43 | robtaylor | newbie: doesnt help much out in the wild tho.. |
| 03:01.44 | bob2 | ok, thanks. |
| 03:01.46 | emmetea | went quiet |
| 03:01.50 | JoshTriplett | bob2: Yes, GenBot. |
| 03:01.54 | bob2 | dan2: what about that beta3 guy? |
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| 03:02.06 | bob2 | oh, oops, thought I got it. |
| 03:02.07 | nvz | ElectricElf: low attention span I guess.. I am also currently trying to make a freecraft multiplayer pud, and learn to program with the curses library. |
| 03:02.08 | Ahmet_S | hi |
| 03:02.09 | gothtec | GenBot is here... |
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| 03:02.16 | Ahmet_S | where's the debian conf file of grub |
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| 03:02.18 | helix | hey, sgeigerbot is too |
| 03:02.27 | bob2 | !scratch helix |
| 03:02.37 | helix | !disinfect helix |
| 03:02.45 | Ahmet_S | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:02.55 | JoshTriplett | Ahmet_S: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:03.27 | Ahmet_S | ok |
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| 03:04.28 | Ahmet_S | and then which command i must do after editing grub menu.lst |
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| 03:05.15 | jetscreamer | you don't |
| 03:05.20 | jetscreamer | it's automatic iirc |
| 03:05.22 | JoshTriplett | Ahmet_S: Unlike LILO, GRUB always reads its configuration file directly, so you don't need to update GRUB after editing its configuration file. |
| 03:05.37 | Ahmet_S | oh very good then |
| 03:06.03 | Trapi | oi |
| 03:06.04 | JoshTriplett | Ahmet_S: That's one of GRUB's main advantages. |
| 03:06.20 | nvz | helix: hello |
| 03:06.34 | helix | hi. |
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| 03:06.47 | Ahmet_S | and, grub directly has seen my another kernel at another ext3,i noticed :) |
| 03:06.48 | nvz | helix: how have you been? |
| 03:06.57 | Ahmet_S | which i just installed |
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| 03:07.23 | helix | fine |
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| 03:07.43 | nvz | helix: heh.. if you say so ;) |
| 03:07.44 | jrdittmann | ahh... the BEST part about the debian install??? I sit upstairs with my laptop while watching The Daily Show...while installing packages |
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| 03:08.18 | jrdittmann | now... if only MST3K was on, instead... |
| 03:08.47 | JoshTriplett | jrdittmann: Or better yet, Monty Python. |
| 03:08.56 | jrdittmann | JoshTriplett OR monty python! |
| 03:09.30 | JoshTriplett | jrdittmann: Alright, AND Monty Python. :) |
| 03:09.52 | JoshTriplett | jrdittmann: But how exactly do you plan to watch both at once? |
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| 03:10.07 | zignig | JoshTriplett: two heads I suspect. |
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| 03:10.18 | Bohah | what's a good and friendly console application for highlighting programming ? |
| 03:10.24 | fong | vim |
| 03:10.30 | JoshTriplett | Bohah: GNU Emacsa |
| 03:10.35 | Guerin | Bohah: emacs -nw |
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| 03:10.53 | JoshTriplett | s/\(Emacs\)a/\1/ |
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| 03:11.04 | Guerin | Bohah: choose your camp; once you choose you'll never be accepted into the other one :) |
| 03:11.13 | Bohah | fong : I run vim source.c but it doesn't display highlighting |
| 03:11.19 | Bohah | just black and white |
| 03:11.23 | fong | u gotta turn it on dood |
| 03:11.35 | Bohah | on dood? |
| 03:11.42 | fong | i forgot how cuz i put it in mah vimrc |
| 03:11.46 | Bohah | oh |
| 03:11.48 | fong | its in the manule |
| 03:12.03 | zignig | Bohah: edit /etc/vim/vimrc and put syntax on in the file |
| 03:12.08 | fong | :syn on |
| 03:12.10 | fong | or something |
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| 03:12.17 | fong | and for colors you need some other thing |
| 03:12.20 | fong | i forgot |
| 03:12.24 | zignig | Bohah: thats "syntax on" |
| 03:12.38 | peterS | I would think it more important to know how to turn *off* colors in vim |
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| 03:12.52 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Why is that? |
| 03:12.57 | pir4 | JoshTriplett, i cant get 3d accel still, i changed the driver to radeon, loaded several agp and drm modules, and nothing |
| 03:12.59 | Xenguy | peterS: use nvi ;-) |
| 03:13.17 | peterS | JoshTriplett: because vim's color schemes for syntax highlighting are positively painful to the eyeballs |
| 03:13.27 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Ah. |
| 03:13.31 | peterS | JoshTriplett: nothing subtle about those colors, y'know? |
| 03:13.54 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I know what you mean; syntax highlighting should be subtle. |
| 03:13.59 | peterS | JoshTriplett: it's the sole reason I'm an anti-vim bigot. I suppose it would be easier just to learn about :set syntax off or whatever |
| 03:14.03 | zignig | peterS: colorscheme <bleh> |
| 03:14.10 | peterS | JoshTriplett: but it seems more fun just to say "bleh, nvi rules" |
| 03:14.20 | zignig | peterS: there are many hidious scheme to choose from. |
| 03:14.24 | peterS | zignig: cool (: |
| 03:14.28 | Xenguy | peterS: try the 'peachpuff' theme -- it's most civilized |
| 03:14.32 | ight8 | hello |
| 03:14.33 | JoshTriplett | pir4: Did you ensure that the radeon module was loaded _after_ the agpgart module, and then restart X after doing so? |
| 03:14.42 | pir4 | Yes! |
| 03:14.59 | peterS | Xenguy: the problem is that vim is limited to ansi colors, unless it wants to either (a) run in X or (b) program the linux text console palette, which isn't very portable |
| 03:15.07 | JoshTriplett | pir4: Look at your /var/log/XFree86.0.log, then. Do you see any obvious error messages? |
| 03:15.26 | peterS | Xenguy: so I'm not sure if any color scheme it might pick, for me, on an ansi color terminal, would be particularly palatable (no pun intended) |
| 03:15.28 | ight8 | I'm looking to upgrade my kernel from 2.2.2 to 2.6.7. any forseable pitfalls |
| 03:15.29 | JoshTriplett | pir4: If nothing jumps out at you, you can /msg me the log and I can look through it. |
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| 03:15.46 | Xenguy | peterS: oh, I thot X was assumed (anyway I personally don't mind console highlighting colours at all) |
| 03:15.48 | sharth | ight8: install module-init-tools |
| 03:15.57 | pir4 | JoshTriplett, 700 lines, are you sure ;) ? |
| 03:16.02 | peterS | Xenguy: I don't even use *xemacs* in X. let alone vi. (: |
| 03:16.15 | JoshTriplett | pir4: Well, first check for any obvious errors. |
| 03:16.16 | Xenguy | peterS: hardcore :-) |
| 03:16.24 | peterS | Xenguy: slight exaggeration. I do sometimes use xemacs in X. but it makes a marvelous console-mode editor, which is a bit ironic given the name |
| 03:16.30 | zignig | peterS: do you use ed then ? |
| 03:16.37 | peterS | zignig: usually xemacs |
| 03:16.51 | JoshTriplett | pir4: But yes, that's fine. Be sure to do it a page or so at a time, though; for some reason, ChatZilla seems to lose text if you send too much at once. |
| 03:17.15 | zignig | @+emacs |
| 03:17.16 | ravenbird | somebody said emacs was "Eighty Megs And Continuously Swapping". Escape Meta Alt Control Shift. Eventually malloc()s All Computer Storage, or "C-x C-c" to get out. YOUR NEW JESUS. Emacs Makes A Computer Slow, or a modeless text editor with a lisp engine, its powerful, can send/read mail, but slow.. or http://www.jwz.org/doc/lemacs.html Now with Neural Nets!, or editor macros |
| 03:17.18 | ight8 | (sharth) How do i check the version numbers of what I have say,, gnu c ,, gnu make etc |
| 03:17.26 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I'm curious, what kind of reasons do people have for choosing XEmacs over GNU Emacs or vice versa? |
| 03:17.26 | peterS | ironically, what drew me to xemacs on console was that for years, gnu emacs did not have color syntax highlighting except in X |
| 03:17.30 | sharth | ight8: dpkg -l package |
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| 03:17.41 | jrdittmann | ight8: or cc --version |
| 03:17.51 | Xenguy | peterS: for a long time I operated only at the console - somewhere along the line I got more into X, and nowadays it's X most of the time (screen on an SSH connection) |
| 03:17.54 | peterS | JoshTriplett: see above. for years, gnumacs didn't do font-lock-mode except in X. xemacs did. xemacs also had various other little features gnumacs lacked |
| 03:17.58 | ight8 | very cool thx |
| 03:18.03 | peterS | JoshTriplett: I guess gnumacs has mostly caught up as of emacs 21, though |
| 03:18.17 | jrdittmann | what's gnumacs? |
| 03:18.21 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Ah, OK. In my case, I use several packages that are GNU Emacs specific. |
| 03:18.25 | JoshTriplett | jrdittmann: GNU Emacs. |
| 03:18.36 | jrdittmann | I thought emacs was under the gnu license. |
| 03:18.36 | JoshTriplett | jrdittmann: As opposed to XEmacs. |
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| 03:18.43 | JoshTriplett | jrdittmann: Yes. |
| 03:18.46 | pir4 | JoshTriplett, im pretty fucked, i cant even run glxgears |
| 03:18.47 | nvz | peterS: hello |
| 03:18.50 | Guerin | jrdittmann: of course it is |
| 03:18.52 | peterS | JoshTriplett: well, historically, xemacs came bundled with a lot of external packages gnu emacs didn't. such as vm, for reading mail. I don't know if this is still true. |
| 03:18.56 | g4lt | that, and xemacs is JWZ instead of RMS, and JWZ is MUCH cooler ;P |
| 03:18.59 | peterS | nvz: heya. long time no see, I think. |
| 03:19.05 | jrdittmann | GNOME emacs? |
| 03:19.05 | JoshTriplett | pir4: How about the log? |
| 03:19.05 | peterS | g4lt: heh, that too |
| 03:19.12 | pir4 | nothing |
| 03:19.13 | peterS | g4lt: not that jwz is still hacking on it |
| 03:19.13 | JoshTriplett | pir4: Anything obvious? |
| 03:19.16 | nvz | peterS: well yeah its been awhile |
| 03:19.22 | peterS | g4lt: whereas rms *is* still the emacs maintainer |
| 03:19.26 | JoshTriplett | pir4: OK, then send it on over. |
| 03:19.29 | g4lt | peterS you think RMS is still hacking on gnumacs? |
| 03:19.41 | peterS | g4lt: he's still the official upstream maintainer |
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| 03:19.46 | JoshTriplett | g4lt: Yes. See the GNU Savannah commit logs. |
| 03:19.47 | peterS | g4lt: I have no idea how much work he actually puts into it personally |
| 03:19.50 | pir4 | JoshTriplett, accept |
| 03:19.55 | nvz | peterS: I'm just languishing in this small room full of old pcs living up the unemployed life |
| 03:20.01 | peterS | nvz: rock on |
| 03:20.02 | JoshTriplett | pir4: Huh? |
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| 03:20.08 | pir4 | im sending it |
| 03:20.11 | pir4 | using DCC |
| 03:20.17 | mickeyks | nvz: me too but i'm not languishing |
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| 03:20.35 | JoshTriplett | pir4: Oh, sorry. ChatZilla doesn't do DCC, at least not in 1.6 . They added it in 1.7, but that isn't packaged yet. |
| 03:20.35 | g4lt | peterS while JWZ is busy with his nightclub. I think that pretty much says it all right there ;) |
| 03:20.41 | Guerin | hey, peterS, can I pick your brain about a ps/2 mouse problem? |
| 03:20.44 | nvz | peterS: getting ready to sell this sony vaio laptop, for about $400 I guess I did a rough estimate on its value today came to about $340 |
| 03:20.51 | pir4 | so ? |
| 03:20.51 | peterS | Guerin: of course. I'm a sucker for ps/2 mouse problems |
| 03:20.58 | Guerin | peterS: heh |
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| 03:20.59 | pir4 | how should i send it to you ? |
| 03:20.59 | jrdittmann | how do I apt-get a new kernel image? is it just a straight apt-get install <filename> ? |
| 03:21.00 | peterS | Guerin: you know there's a new mouse protocol named peterS/2, right? |
| 03:21.01 | JoshTriplett | pir4: Could you /msg it? |
| 03:21.06 | robtaylor | nvz: i'll buy it =) |
| 03:21.07 | pir4 | 700 lines |
| 03:21.08 | pir4 | well |
| 03:21.09 | pir4 | ok |
| 03:21.12 | pir4 | if you want |
| 03:21.14 | Guerin | peterS: I got my ps/2 mouse working, but since a reboot the movement is all random. Meanwhile, the trackpoint (which uses psmouse) works fine. |
| 03:21.21 | Guerin | peterS: there might as well be |
| 03:21.29 | JoshTriplett | pir4: No problem. Or, if you prefer, you can post it somewhere. |
| 03:21.48 | peterS | Guerin: so, you have a laptop with a built-in trackpoint which acts like a ps/2 mouse |
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| 03:21.52 | jrdittmann | or should I just compile the kernel, myself? |
| 03:21.54 | nvz | robtaylor: It was the easiest laptop I've ever installed linux on.. alot better than the compaq I had |
| 03:21.57 | Guerin | peterS: affirmative |
| 03:22.00 | pir4 | JoshTriplett, better |
| 03:22.00 | peterS | Guerin: *and* an external ps/2 port on your laptop, to which you plugged in a real mouse? |
| 03:22.01 | pir4 | hang on JoshTriplett |
| 03:22.03 | pir4 | JoshTriplett, thx for your help btw |
| 03:22.09 | robtaylor | nvz: what processor? |
| 03:22.12 | Guerin | peterS: yes ... which worked fine until I rebooted |
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| 03:22.23 | peterS | Guerin: which kernel version? I know it's 2.6 because you mentioned psmouse |
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| 03:22.53 | peterS | Guerin: I ask because there is quite a bit of input layer work between 2.6.5 and 2.6.6, including some on ps/2 port multiplexing |
| 03:23.03 | Guerin | peterS: 2.6.3 |
| 03:23.22 | Guerin | peterS: ah, interesting... I'm waiting for 2.6.7 until I upgrade |
| 03:23.28 | parolyn | cat-5e is required for 1000mbps? |
| 03:23.32 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, I'd try upgrading to 2.6.6. the PS/2 mouse port is actually being used kind of as a bus in those machines |
| 03:23.41 | nvz | robtaylor: was an 800mhz AMD w/128MB Ram, 10gb hd, DVD Rom WinME, I swapped the hd out for a 20gb, and took out the dvdrom that was making scratching noises, and took the faceplate off my cdrw/dvd combo drive out of the compaq and sanded it down to size and put that in there.. |
| 03:23.45 | peterS | Guerin: in that you can have multiple devices plugged into it and actually talk to them separately |
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| 03:23.58 | peterS | Guerin: all very complex, and the kernel input layer tries to take full advantage of it |
| 03:24.04 | tvon | Is there a way to have 'apt-get upgrade -u' show the versions of the packages to be installed? |
| 03:24.04 | Guerin | peterS: ok, will do. I'll just keep it in the usb until then |
| 03:24.12 | peterS | Guerin: so the recent patches, in 2.6.6, by dmitry Iforgethislastname, might help |
| 03:24.17 | g4lt | parolyn actually, 5e is only guaranteed for 100Mb/s |
| 03:24.36 | tvon | apt4rpm does it, but I don't know if that is somethign they added with the rpm support or if its somethign that apt can normally do |
| 03:24.46 | robtaylor | nvz: wow. and you est. its worth 340? here in argentina, that'd sell for about 1500 =) |
| 03:24.51 | Guerin | peterS: thanks :) |
| 03:24.52 | parolyn | g4lt: so cat-6 is for gigabit? |
| 03:24.59 | peterS | Guerin: no problem. good luck |
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| 03:25.08 | peterS | parolyn: cat5e is fine for gigabit. cat6 is too |
| 03:25.24 | g4lt | peterS ot I said GUARANTEED ;) |
| 03:25.26 | peterS | parolyn: assuming cat6 even exists yet. I haven't heard one way or the other if the standard was finally finalised |
| 03:25.30 | g4lt | note even |
| 03:25.58 | parolyn | peterS: i think you're right, im not sure ive ever even seen a cat-6 |
| 03:26.01 | Bohah | why americans sucks at soccer? |
| 03:26.14 | Bohah | oops wrong channel |
| 03:26.15 | peterS | parolyn: I've heard of vendors selling what they call cat-6, but AFAIK they are jumping the gun |
| 03:26.28 | peterS | Bohah: heh. not all americans suck at soccer |
| 03:26.44 | nvz | robtaylor: well what I did was went to pricewatch and looked at pcs new that were 14inch screens with 800mhz and 128mb ram with 10gb drives selling for $599-799 then I went and priced all the parts I put into it, one battery is about $47 the other is $71, priced the cdrw combo, the ram, the mobile 800mhz cpu.. etc.. I didnt account for the actual price of the screen, speakers, keyboard, powercord, or anything.. just the main pieces.. like I ... |
| 03:26.50 | nvz | ... said it was a rough estimate |
| 03:26.51 | peterS | Bohah: just the ones who sit and watch TV, eat junk food, and play video games through their entire childhood, and never get out and play |
| 03:27.09 | g4lt | Bohah because when we want a ball downfield, we either use a bat or plow through with major damage to those that oppose us |
| 03:27.10 | Bohah | you're prolly right |
| 03:27.23 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:27.47 | parolyn | nvz: i found a really sweet NEC 2500A DVD+-R/RW (with firmware that can do dual layer DVDs) for $69 |
| 03:27.51 | nvz | robtaylor: I just had to say a ballpark figure because alot of people have asked about it and I havent finished working on it yet |
| 03:27.52 | robtaylor | nvz: well maybe not *quite* that much, but probably around the 800 region.. |
| 03:28.10 | Guerin | national ability at team sport really is a zero-sum game, I think. Pick three sports as a nation: you can be good at those, but no others. |
| 03:28.14 | robtaylor | nvz: heh :) |
| 03:28.19 | nvz | parolyn: for a laptop? |
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| 03:28.27 | peterS | Guerin: heh |
| 03:28.37 | nvz | robtaylor: the cdrw and hdd are from my old laptop so I am kind of using it right now |
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| 03:28.51 | jamesw | "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" this is what I get when I try to configure software sources, what can I do to fix? |
| 03:28.52 | parolyn | nvz: oh. no. |
| 03:28.56 | nvz | robtaylor: I have to re-establish my data on another pc and reinstall that one |
| 03:29.06 | Guerin | NZ only gets two though: cricket and rugby |
| 03:29.11 | JoshTriplett | jamesw: Usually that indicates another problem. Check the configure log. |
| 03:29.34 | mick_laptop | later :)? |
| 03:29.34 | peterS | Guerin: those two are pretty cool, though. for an island (or three) that size, that's not doing so bad |
| 03:29.50 | Guerin | peterS: that's what NZers like to tell themselves, too. |
| 03:29.55 | mick_laptop | parolyn: where? |
| 03:29.58 | jamesw | /usr/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory |
| 03:30.03 | zignig | peterS: and sheep chasing |
| 03:30.08 | peterS | zignig: oh yeah |
| 03:30.10 | nvz | parolyn: well thats a good deal.. I have 4 Socket 7 systems I bought for $10 they were stripped of nearly everything.. but I had some parts, and I ordered 64mb simms for $8 each so I am gonna fix these up and sell em too |
| 03:30.12 | mick_laptop | parolyn: the dvd thing :) |
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| 03:30.23 | nvz | parolyn: well $10 each |
| 03:30.23 | Guerin | zignig: that's not a sport, that's work |
| 03:30.32 | zignig | Guerin: hehe |
| 03:30.44 | zignig | Guerin: that depends who you ask infact ;/ |
| 03:30.46 | peterS | jamesw: crt1.o along with various other files for basic C compiling all come in libc6-dev |
| 03:31.04 | peterS | jamesw: I'm surprised you got as far as the linker without anything else complaining, if you don't have libc6-dev installed |
| 03:31.15 | nvz | I am thinking of getting back into everything I used to do from building pcs to servicing and alot more.. I got a new plan I think |
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| 03:31.41 | jamesw | thanks guys |
| 03:31.45 | jamesw | got libc6-dev installed now works! |
| 03:31.50 | peterS | jamesw: cool |
| 03:31.58 | peterS | eh, missed 'im |
| 03:31.58 | nvz | going to try using linux to push technology onto the broke college students around here |
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| 03:32.15 | Guerin | nvz: the best target audience, I reckon |
| 03:32.20 | zignig | nvz: sounds like a cunning plan |
| 03:32.37 | Tezkah | you should have a combo-pack with the drug dealers |
| 03:32.47 | Tezkah | some pot, and some LiNuX WaReZ |
| 03:32.49 | Tezkah | ;) |
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| 03:33.18 | nvz | I could start them out with a inexpensive old pcs I rebuild, and have them concentrate on areas most important to them.. big speakers, cool looking case flat screen.. etc.. and when it comes time for faster cpu and shit, fuck all that dell rebates and stuff, sell me back your mobo and upgrade ;) |
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| 03:34.08 | nvz | if I can get you in a working pc that does all the essentials for next to nothing then all I got to do is rob your ass blind on service calls for the rest of your natural life ;) |
| 03:34.34 | peterS | nvz: ah, the microsoft customer support business model |
| 03:34.42 | nvz | going to start working deals with local isps and hardware distributors |
| 03:34.43 | ram__ | okay....my HD crashed and trying to reinstall everything....Started from a Sarge CD and have a working Debian system. While installing some package, I got this whole series of dependencies on gnome and I hit Yes to gnome2 install. Now, everytime I run apt-get install <something> I get a big list of package dependency errors and "Processing was halted because there were too many errors." |
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| 03:35.01 | nvz | try setup something where I can sell prepaid internet with them too |
| 03:35.24 | Tezkah | heh, why not become an ISP? |
| 03:35.27 | peterS | nvz: prepaid internet? like, 1200 anytime minutes? |
| 03:35.44 | nvz | I see myself trying to cover the whole spectrum from old junk to custom mods |
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| 03:36.19 | ram__ | when I do dpkg -l I get many lines with iU <package_name> .. Is there any way I can get back to normal? I mean apt-get install does not throw me pages of packages? |
| 03:36.21 | nvz | na like paying the first 3 months or something to sell the pc and allow them to experience the power of debian and the internet |
| 03:36.36 | peterS | ram__: dpkg --configure -a |
| 03:36.39 | peterS | ram__: see what that does for ya |
| 03:36.47 | Tezkah | nvz, are you sure you can pull that off? |
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| 03:36.56 | felipe | hi there |
| 03:37.02 | Tezkah | I mean, the only people who would know how to use Linux would already know how to put together a PC |
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| 03:37.20 | zignig | Tezkah: not true , imo |
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| 03:37.25 | nvz | Tezkah: I've done it ever since I was like 12, I just quit when I became an adult and decided to try get a "real job" and get back into school |
| 03:37.27 | Tezkah | then again, using Linux is vastly different from admining it |
| 03:37.29 | ram__ | peterS....that is doing "something" atleast did not crap out from past few seconds. I hope it is "fixing" something...... :) |
| 03:37.42 | felipe | I want to uninstall php4 but cant remember what package I used to install it....what should I do? |
| 03:37.43 | peterS | ram__: it'll attempt to configure whatever packages are merely unpacked |
| 03:37.51 | Guerin | nvz: was it making you some money? |
| 03:37.52 | peterS | ram__: it might crap out with a dependency error, or it might just work |
| 03:38.01 | nvz | Tezkah: in pittsburgh I had deals with Microsoft, AT&T Broadband, and Telerama (Local Dial-up) |
| 03:38.04 | ram__ | peterS....that would be great! Still running. |
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| 03:38.21 | nvz | Guerin: yeah petty cash I didnt work more than like 3 times a week at most |
| 03:38.26 | peterS | ram__: also, if it craps out once, try it again - sometimes a dependency loop will solve itself with a couple of iterations. not usually, but sometimes |
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| 03:38.33 | Tezkah | nvz: deals for? |
| 03:38.46 | ram__ | peterS....crapped out after few packages...so, retrying. |
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| 03:39.13 | gnomers | anyone know what gart is? |
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| 03:39.21 | gnomers | agp gart |
| 03:39.26 | Tezkah | !apt gart |
| 03:39.32 | gnomers | thnx |
| 03:39.37 | peterS | gnomers: it's a chip for the AGP bus that lets you do graphics-specific high-speed memory transfers |
| 03:39.46 | ram__ | peterS....back to errors. Looks like 3-4 re-runs did not do anything. First run did seem like configuring something. |
| 03:39.47 | esop | felipe: do an 'apt-cache search php4' maybe that will jog your memory. |
| 03:39.48 | nvz | I went up there once since I moved down here and I went up to fix a virus for a client, and ended up making $70 for 20min there, and then $60 for another 30min or so setting up a wireless lan, then mad $20 walking down the street when someone stopped me and said their daughter gave them a computer and they couldnt get past the passwd.. |
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| 03:40.09 | peterS | ram__: oh well. it should give error messages sufficient to tell you why exactly a package can't be configured |
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| 03:40.17 | Guerin | nvz: that's a quality gig |
| 03:40.18 | peterS | gnomers: why do you ask? what's going on with your gart? |
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| 03:40.29 | gnomers | peterS: thanks, i'm using kernel 2.6.7 and can't do startx |
| 03:40.31 | nvz | I told that guy that there wasnt any passwd on windows I coulndt get past in 3 seconds.. he said if you can do that you got $20, I went in and pressed the ESC key on his keyboard took the $20 and left |
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| 03:40.34 | ram__ | peterS most lines say "Package libbonobo2-0 is not configured yet." |
| 03:40.55 | gnomers | apt gart |
| 03:40.56 | apt | rumour has it, gart is Graphics Address Re-Mapping Table. |
| 03:41.02 | nvz | all it was, Win98 Network login password.. heh |
| 03:41.06 | peterS | ram__: then that's what you concentrate on. you can try 'dpkg --configure libbonobo2-0' to single out that package so it's easier to see why it is failing |
| 03:41.28 | peterS | gnomers: what motherboard chipset do you have? |
| 03:41.48 | gnomers | peterS: HP Pavilion 7845 |
| 03:42.02 | peterS | gnomers: what does this say? lspci -n | awk '/ 0604/{print $4}' |
| 03:42.06 | felipe | esop it listed all php4 files from debian repositories |
| 03:42.09 | ram__ | peterS okay. trying to 'dpkg --purge libbonobo2-0' Will try reinstalling again later. Thanks for your help. |
| 03:42.10 | peterS | gnomers: that command will tell me what kind of AGP bridge you have |
| 03:42.16 | peterS | !bless ram__ |
| 03:42.17 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless our child ram__, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 03:42.21 | gnomers | peterS: ok, just one minute |
| 03:42.47 | nvz | yeah I used to be real slick.. hell I bought a Mac laptop on time for $100, had like 30mb hd.. I turned around and sold it for $200, all I had to do was let the boy take it home and try it, then when he complained about lack of space I told him I had someone else that wanted to look at it, and he gave me a check for $200 |
| 03:42.49 | ram__ | peterS that is funny. Thank you anyway. |
| 03:43.00 | peterS | (: |
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| 03:43.16 | Tezkah | what did that do? :O |
| 03:43.43 | esop | felipe: do you now recognize the package you installed? |
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| 03:43.58 | gnomers | peterS: says cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices |
| 03:44.04 | Devmod | somebody knows something about unmet dependencies of xchat in unstable |
| 03:44.09 | felipe | esop nope....I have looked at packages.debian.org already |
| 03:44.18 | peterS | gnomers: strange. you do have /sys mounted, right? it should have been done for you at bootup |
| 03:44.25 | peterS | gnomers: type "mount | grep /sys" |
| 03:44.59 | gnomers | peterS: nothing |
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| 03:45.10 | nvz | I need a good business partner cause I am sharp I just have trouble focusing I need someone to handle the business while I pull myself in 100 different directions making the money |
| 03:45.15 | peterS | gnomers: ok, do this: mount -t sysfs none /sys |
| 03:45.20 | peterS | gnomers: then rerun the lspci command I gave you earlier |
| 03:45.30 | sgeigerbot | Would there be an easy way (a script perhaps) to turn the output of "iptables -nL" into iptables commands (so that you could put them into an iptables script)? |
| 03:45.32 | peope | How do you downgrade a package? |
| 03:45.45 | sgeigerbot | helix: thanks for thinking of me. |
| 03:45.50 | peterS | gnomers: if it complains about no mountpoint, you'll first need "mkdir /sys" before the mount command |
| 03:45.53 | nvz | I do have a kind of business partner back in PA but he's a pretty far out there, and only goes to the shop and night.. heh |
| 03:46.01 | esop | felipe: probably an 'apt-get remove php4' or 'dpkg --purge php4' or something like that. |
| 03:46.04 | gnomers | peterS: 8086:2418 |
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| 03:46.16 | tech13 | is there a page of things to double check if ~/.xsession doesn't seem to be used? (setup fluxbox on one machine without a problem, on the 2nd machine it isn't working at all) |
| 03:46.30 | peterS | gnomers: ok, hold on a sec. I think that's the 'intel-agp' module |
| 03:46.33 | peterS | gnomers: but I'll double-check |
| 03:46.43 | Devmod | somebody knows something about unmet dependencies of xchat in unstable ?? |
| 03:46.48 | peope | tech13: known bug I think |
| 03:47.13 | peope | http://bugs.debian.org/xfree86-common |
| 03:47.17 | jrdittmann | how do I install gnumake? |
| 03:47.23 | gnomers | peterS: peterS 82810e |
| 03:47.31 | felipe | esop "php4 isnt installed" |
| 03:47.33 | gnomers | peterS: intel |
| 03:47.33 | mick_laptop | whats the easiest way to find out what audio device is running? i though it defaults to /dev/dsp (but not on this box) |
| 03:47.35 | jrdittmann | I mean... anybody know the package name? |
| 03:47.42 | peterS | gnomers: yeah, I know the chipset |
| 03:47.50 | mick_laptop | jrdittmann: apt-cache search gmake |
| 03:47.52 | peterS | gnomers: but there are two different Intel AGP drivers, I'm checking to see which yours is |
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| 03:48.01 | mick_laptop | jrdittmann: apt-cache search make |
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| 03:48.05 | peope | tech13: hmm.. maybe not a known bug |
| 03:48.05 | jrdittmann | mick_laptop oh.. GMAKE.. I was looking for gnumake |
| 03:48.16 | gnomers | peterS: dc-133 cgc |
| 03:48.23 | esop | bugger all felipe I don't know! |
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| 03:48.36 | mick_laptop | jrdittmann: when in doubt just search for make and see what is most relevant |
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| 03:48.53 | esop | felipe: maybe php3 |
| 03:49.14 | mick_laptop | can i do something like cat something to /de/dsp0 (to see if that is the device) |
| 03:49.14 | peterS | gnomers: weird. the lspci command only output that single line? |
| 03:49.19 | peterS | gnomers: I expected it might output multiple lines |
| 03:49.29 | mick_laptop | or is there another way to see what device is the soundcard? |
| 03:49.30 | gnomers | peterS: yes it did |
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| 03:50.01 | gnomers | peterS: i missed the top part, just lspci gives a lot more |
| 03:50.13 | peterS | gnomers: yeah, it will. but most of that won't be the AGP bridge |
| 03:50.25 | nvz | well I am going to sleep, I have to figure out exatly where my property line are tomorrow and work on getting my car registered again.. the police like to steal cars off my property while I am working on them.. they claimed the last two were hanging out onto state property, so this time I am drawing a line and taking a picture ;) |
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| 03:50.40 | hacim | um |
| 03:50.46 | peterS | gnomers: hmmm, try this: lspci -n | awk ' /0600/{print $4}' |
| 03:50.58 | peterS | gnomers: that's the same as the last command except class 0600 instead of class 0604 |
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| 03:51.09 | debnu | hi i got a problem i installed a firewall, but with giftd i cant get coneccion to listen for user interface connections with port 1213 how can i solve the problem with iptables? |
| 03:51.13 | peterS | gnomers: I didn't see your ID in the agp drivers, maybe I asked you for the wrong one |
| 03:51.27 | nvz | cause if they take my damn Volvo when I am in the middle of putting $400+ into rebuilding the top of the engine, I am going to be pretty mad.. its not like the Chevy and the ford they towed that wasnt worth anything ;) |
| 03:51.38 | gnomers | peterS: 8086:7124 |
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| 03:52.12 | peterS | gnomers: ah, that's more like it |
| 03:52.22 | peterS | gnomers: like I originally guessed, you need to load the module 'intel-agp' |
| 03:52.24 | mick_laptop | i'm trying to get gmplayer to do sound... xmms uses the OSS plugin and "default" under configure... so under the OSS plugin under gmplayer i tried "/dev/dsp/" as the device (since i think that that is the default) - but that doesn't seem to be the case :/ |
| 03:52.34 | peterS | gnomers: you can run the 'modconf' program for this. surf to 'kernel/drivers/char/agp/' |
| 03:52.41 | nvz | My "Chilton's Total Car Care" manual for the 1990-93 Volvo Coups/Sedans/Wagons just came in today, I am just about ready to start tearing that bitch apart ;) |
| 03:53.18 | peterS | mick_laptop: no trailing slash, /dev/dsp is a file not a directory |
| 03:53.20 | gnomers | peterS: you mean modprobe intel-agp? |
| 03:53.31 | peterS | gnomers: yeah |
| 03:53.44 | felipe | esop found it! |
| 03:53.49 | peterS | gnomers: but if you want it to happen at boot time, also add a line 'intel-agp' to /etc/modules-2.6 or /etc/modules, whichever of those you have |
| 03:53.57 | mick_laptop | peterS: i know, it was a typo - but at any rate it doesn't seem to be it on this |
| 03:54.09 | felipe | esop "run apache2ctl graceful to fully disable." -> what should I do?? |
| 03:54.14 | peterS | mick_laptop: a limitation of most OSS drivers is that only a single app can open /dev/dsp at a time |
| 03:54.31 | peterS | mick_laptop: so if you still have xmms up, and you run something else that tries to use /dev/dsp, it will be told to go copulate with itself |
| 03:54.36 | mick_laptop | peterS: well i didn't even run xmms (i know it works though) |
| 03:54.49 | gnomers | peterS: thanks, let me try, will let you know |
| 03:54.54 | mick_laptop | peterS: i just had restarted |
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| 03:55.07 | peterS | mick_laptop: and your sound drivers are loaded and working, you're sure? |
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| 03:55.20 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: Yo! |
| 03:55.41 | mick_laptop | peterS: as i said, it works with xmms |
| 03:55.45 | jrdittmann | uh... is there a reason ftp always crashes when it tries to open a binary mode data connection? |
| 03:55.47 | gnomers | peterS: can't do modprobe, complains about not being able to open the lib file |
| 03:55.47 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: sup man |
| 03:55.52 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: same ol' shit |
| 03:55.59 | peterS | gnomers: not being able to open the *what*? |
| 03:56.08 | esop | felipe: I am sorry... I do not know! |
| 03:56.17 | felipe | esop np! |
| 03:56.20 | peterS | gnomers: if you got an unlucky version of module-init-tools, btw, see /topic for what to do about that |
| 03:56.24 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: hehe. I am playing with my new wifi card in my cell phone. ;-) Have XDA2 and just got Wifi expansion for it. :-D |
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| 03:56.45 | tech13 | is there a way to purge uninstalled packages? (apt-get --purge remove [package] just says its not installed) |
| 03:56.47 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: sounds like fun |
| 03:56.48 | esop | felipe: Have you searched google etc. for any info? |
| 03:57.04 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: loads of fun |
| 03:57.09 | gnomers | peterS: /lib/modules/2.6.7/modules.dep |
| 03:57.19 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: just burnt my first DVD in linux today too. :-D |
| 03:57.30 | gnomers | peterS: then: no such file or directory |
| 03:57.30 | mick_laptop | congrats |
| 03:57.30 | felipe | esop *shame* |
| 03:57.32 | peterS | gnomers: try running 'depmod -a', though that really shouldn't be necessary. like I said, though, also see /topic |
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| 03:58.30 | gnomers | peterS: QM_MODULES not implemented |
| 03:58.36 | yaiLLf8d | hey all whats the key combo to switch windows in bitchx? ^Wn (ctrl w n) isn't working or me? |
| 03:58.39 | TimRiker | marillat.free.fr seems to have disappeared. anyone know why? (it hosts apt repositories for mplayer, transcode, etc) |
| 03:58.41 | z36ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.42 | peterS | gnomers: oh, bleh. apt-get install modules-init-tools |
| 03:58.51 | peterS | gnomers: if you don't do that, you can't load *any* modules in 2.6 kernels |
| 03:59.04 | peterS | gnomers: I mean module-init-tools. modules-init-tools was a typo |
| 03:59.05 | yaiLLf8d | TimRiker, just build your own |
| 03:59.29 | z36ra | like KDE and GDM |
| 03:59.38 | debnu | anyone knows how to add port 1213 to the allowed list with iptables? |
| 03:59.41 | peterS | TimRiker: the marillat archive moved. I forget where, maybe /msg dpkg mplayer would know |
| 03:59.46 | z36ra | just tried to fiX Alsa |
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| 04:00.05 | JoshTriplett | debnu: You might want to try a user-friendly frontend to iptables, like Shorewall. |
| 04:00.23 | felipe | esop will reboot thx for everything |
| 04:00.44 | skorpfox | mick_laptop you running 2.6.6 right? |
| 04:00.55 | gnomers | peterS: installed, next step? |
| 04:00.56 | esop | felipe: ok |
| 04:01.03 | peterS | gnomers: now you can run modprobe |
| 04:01.05 | arcangel | is Debian version 3.1 avalilable for download? |
| 04:01.14 | peterS | arcangel: there is no debian 3.1 |
| 04:01.27 | peterS | arcangel: what will *become* 3.1 is currently called 'testing' or 'sarge' |
| 04:01.27 | Guerin | arcangel: and there never will be |
| 04:01.33 | Guerin | eh? |
| 04:01.34 | peterS | arcangel: see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 04:01.35 | gnomers | peterS: still get the same message: could not ... |
| 04:01.39 | Guerin | I though sareg was debian 4? |
| 04:01.41 | mick_laptop | 2.6.6-1-k7 |
| 04:01.42 | arcangel | perteS I know that |
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| 04:01.46 | peterS | Guerin: dunno, I assumed it would be 3.1 |
| 04:01.54 | TimRiker | peterS: thanx, apt and dpkg both had it under mplayer. |
| 04:01.57 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: ah ok, isn't 2.6.7 out? |
| 04:02.00 | arcangel | they said that probably it will be 3.1 |
| 04:02.10 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: i dono |
| 04:02.13 | peterS | the only major change sarge has over woody is the installer, really |
| 04:02.13 | mick_laptop | might be |
| 04:02.15 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: I didn't see it in the apt depositories when I last searched so I got this one |
| 04:02.19 | peterS | most everything else is just package updates |
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| 04:02.34 | peterS | I don't think it deserves a major version number shift |
| 04:02.58 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I would agree. |
| 04:03.00 | z36ra | peterS: hmm |
| 04:03.09 | mick_laptop | shit xmms isn't even playing |
| 04:03.12 | mick_laptop | grrrr |
| 04:03.13 | peterS | the new installer is cool, but gosh, it's just an installer |
| 04:03.17 | peterS | you use it like once, ever |
| 04:03.18 | Tezkah | debian should inflate the release number |
| 04:03.25 | Tezkah | just call sarge "Debian 12" |
| 04:03.27 | Guerin | peterS: interesting. |
| 04:03.45 | emmetea | Tezkah, and then what, take a b-boy stance. |
| 04:03.50 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: have you tried Gnome 2.6 yet? |
| 04:03.54 | peterS | people who focus on the installer (like, say, 99% of reviewers for magazines) are really short-sighted |
| 04:03.55 | gnomers | peterS:i seem to be in a catch 22 univers, can't go to the gui so i can get to download intel-agp |
| 04:03.59 | Tezkah | emmetea, I'm just kiddin' |
| 04:04.10 | peterS | gnomers: no need to download anything. it'll be included in your kernel image package |
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| 04:04.15 | Tezkah | but the slackware people said that they were tired of people asking them why they were still "running linux 6" |
| 04:04.16 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: i use xfce |
| 04:04.18 | z36ra | peterS: so why does one have to do apt-get update so often? |
| 04:04.26 | peterS | z36ra: one doesn't have to |
| 04:04.29 | Guerin | peterS: from d.o: The code name for the next major Debian release after woody is sarge. It is likely that this release will be numbered 3.1. |
| 04:04.41 | gnomers | peterS: but modprobe intel-agp complains |
| 04:04.43 | kristin_ | has anyone here tried to setup LOAD BALANCING outbound traffic to multiple links lets say 2 diff ISP providers |
| 04:04.44 | peterS | Guerin: ah ok. I don't know if I'd actually heard that, or if I just assumed |
| 04:04.50 | emmetea | Tezkah, i know, it just seemed to me the only fesiable way to call it debian 12 |
| 04:04.54 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: ahhh ok, I am using enlightenment right now, thinking of switching to Gnome 2.6 whenver it comes out on testing |
| 04:04.54 | peterS | gnomers: how exactly does it complain, again? |
| 04:05.04 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: i just install fedora on my dad's laptop, with nome (i believe 2.6) it looks purty |
| 04:05.19 | mick_laptop | gnome* |
| 04:05.31 | gnomers | peterS: FATA: could not load .../2.6.7/modules.dep |
| 04:05.38 | gnomers | peterS: FATAL |
| 04:05.43 | Guerin | Tezkah: a big chung of the slack community were angry that PV inflated the version just to keep up with red hat... |
| 04:05.47 | peterS | gnomers: hmmm. try running 'depmod -a' again, then, I guess |
| 04:06.03 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: nice, i've seen the screenshots, so I am excited to get it working on my laptop. |
| 04:06.15 | mick_laptop | PV? |
| 04:06.17 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: I was suprised that when Slackware 10 came out he didn't call it Slackware X. :) |
| 04:06.30 | Guerin | mick_laptop: Patrick Volkerding |
| 04:06.35 | kristin_ | I upgraded the kernel to 2.6.7 then applied Julian Anastasov's route patch... |
| 04:06.39 | mick_laptop | oh the slackware guy |
| 04:06.40 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: heh, that would have been good as comedy |
| 04:07.02 | CoffeeMU1 | ok lets say Im using tcpdump to monitor packets, how do I make it show only packets I wanna see (not the IRC connection packets)? |
| 04:07.16 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.17 | gnomers | peterS: its trying to open /lib/modules/2.6.7/ but 2.6.7 is not there |
| 04:07.31 | peterS | gnomers: wtf. where did you get your kernel? |
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| 04:07.53 | rohit | hi |
| 04:07.58 | gnomers | peterS: from kernel.org |
| 04:08.06 | mick_laptop | "Cannot open device oss" |
| 04:08.14 | peterS | gnomers: ok, if you compiled it yourself, it seems you didn't correctly get the modules installed |
| 04:08.17 | mick_laptop | how can that be? |
| 04:08.18 | tech13 | CoffeeMU1: tcpdump not port 6667 (have to verify which port it is though...) or based on server tcpdump not host irc.where-am-i-again.com |
| 04:08.19 | rohit | where can i get debian packages download |
| 04:08.27 | peterS | gnomers: you'll have to do 'make modules_install' as root in the kernel source directory |
| 04:08.33 | peterS | nvz: heh |
| 04:08.54 | rohit | debian packages |
| 04:08.55 | peterS | gnomers: also, since you compiled it yourself, who knows if you selected the Intel AGP driver or not. you should have |
| 04:09.01 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: any idea? |
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| 04:09.21 | nvz | peterS: my buddy picked me up a beer this evening, and he asked me when he got here if thats what I wanted, an I told him, well I was looking for something that tasted better and came with a free piece of ass |
| 04:09.34 | peterS | nvz: oh dear |
| 04:09.42 | gnomers | peterS: yes, you are correct on all counts. as far as make modules_install i did not think that 2.6.x needed that |
| 04:09.43 | CoffeeMU1 | tech13, ok thanks ill try that, can I pass 3 commands like that? |
| 04:09.52 | emmetea | nvz: so a steak? |
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| 04:09.57 | Tezkah | what about a card? |
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| 04:09.58 | CoffeeMU1 | tech13, tcpdump not port 6667 not host yaddayadda.com? |
| 04:09.59 | Tezkah | ;l |
| 04:10.01 | peterS | gnomers: you need to get those modules into /lib/modules *somehow*. make modules_install is the usual way |
| 04:10.25 | peterS | gnomers: as for your AGP driver, that'll be under 'device drivers' / 'character devices' / 'AGP drivers' or similar |
| 04:10.27 | nvz | sure smells like teen spirit in here tonight |
| 04:10.28 | tech13 | CoffeeMU1: tcpdump not port 6667 and not host yaddayadda.com (it would need the "and" in there) |
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| 04:10.40 | peterS | nvz: with the lights out, it's less dangerous |
| 04:10.53 | nvz | some skript kiddie just learn about irc |
| 04:10.54 | emmetea | wow. |
| 04:10.55 | CoffeeMU1 | ok |
| 04:10.56 | CoffeeMU1 | thanks |
| 04:11.03 | mick_laptop | anyone know a bit about sound on linux? |
| 04:11.04 | gnomers | peterS: lsmod produced the agp listing, make modules_install did the trick |
| 04:11.11 | peterS | gnomers: cool |
| 04:11.19 | peterS | mick_laptop: a bit |
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| 04:11.46 | mick_laptop | peterS: have an idea on why i get "Erro: can not open device oss" |
| 04:11.51 | nvz | I have a good idea, hack dancer to redirect unregistered users to dalnet where newbies belong |
| 04:11.54 | shygrrl | hi! :) |
| 04:12.05 | peterS | mick_laptop: it should give a reason. "no such device"? "device busy"? |
| 04:12.09 | shygrrl | two quick questions :) |
| 04:12.26 | peterS | shygrrl: ask them, don't ask if you can ask them, or tell us you plan to ask them. (: |
| 04:12.26 | Tezkah | oh noes a girl on irc! |
| 04:12.28 | mick_laptop | peterS: ogg123 oly gave that error |
| 04:12.36 | peterS | mick_laptop: weird |
| 04:12.42 | shygrrl | when i left click on the desktop i want to add stuff to the desktop menu (gaim etc...) |
| 04:12.44 | mick_laptop | peterS: xmms only gives vague errors |
| 04:12.46 | peterS | mick_laptop: it really should tell you why, I thought |
| 04:12.46 | shygrrl | how do i do that :) |
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| 04:12.58 | nvz | Tezkah: there were already girls on irc, you just never noticed |
| 04:13.08 | shygrrl | and how do i get kde to start something automatically on bootup :) |
| 04:13.08 | Tezkah | nvz: I know, I'm kiddin |
| 04:13.11 | nvz | Tezkah: brobably at least 3 of them here right now |
| 04:13.12 | gnomers | peterS: Thank you so much. You sure know your stuff and you were a great help. |
| 04:13.13 | mick_laptop | well great |
| 04:13.17 | hotgurl4u | :O |
| 04:13.22 | mick_laptop | it worked when i shutdown this morning |
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| 04:13.36 | nvz | shygrrl: install kdm |
| 04:13.55 | nvz | shygrrl: kdm will start X on boot and allow you to login to kde |
| 04:14.10 | mick_laptop | i think shygrrl and hotgurl4u must be bots |
| 04:14.23 | peterS | gnomers: no problem - I do my best |
| 04:14.23 | debian | shygrrl owner |
| 04:14.27 | nvz | shygrrl: its even highly configurable through kde.. |
| 04:14.28 | peterS | debian: heh |
| 04:14.32 | debian | hotgurl4u owner |
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| 04:14.39 | debian | peterS: ownerless bots. :) |
| 04:14.48 | tech13 | anyone setup a ~/.xsession on debian 3.0 and have it do nothing? (i still get gnome even though it says 'exec fluxbox') |
| 04:15.25 | peterS | tech13: that depends on how you bring up your X session |
| 04:15.27 | shygrrl | ive got it installed :) |
| 04:15.31 | shygrrl | im chatting from it |
| 04:15.33 | shygrrl | and i have gaim installed |
| 04:15.42 | gnomers | peterS: now i have some new questions if you got the time |
| 04:15.46 | tech13 | peterS: commandline and typing 'startx' |
| 04:15.57 | peterS | tech13: weird. that really should invoke .xsession |
| 04:16.01 | Guerin | sometimes I feel like an ownerless bot... a loooong way from hoo-oome |
| 04:16.10 | peterS | Guerin: hehehe |
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| 04:16.14 | gf69 | morning all |
| 04:16.18 | peterS | Guerin: that's one of the coolest spirituals ever |
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| 04:16.29 | Guerin | peterS: absolutely |
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| 04:16.31 | mick_laptop | peterS: well i ran xmms via console.... oss_open(): failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): no such device |
| 04:16.42 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 04:16.44 | peterS | mick_laptop: 'no such device'. now we're getting somewhere |
| 04:16.49 | tech13 | peterS: even weirder is it works fine on my big machine (where i could run gnome, and the over head isn't really a killer) but not on my old laptop (where every cycle is valuble) |
| 04:16.52 | peterS | mick_laptop: that means you don't have a driver loaded, of some sort |
| 04:17.04 | mick_laptop | to load it...? |
| 04:17.13 | peterS | mick_laptop: what's your sound chip, do you know? |
| 04:17.25 | peterS | mick_laptop: wait, hmm, did I ask you that the other day? |
| 04:17.27 | mick_laptop | i thought that it was just modprobe emu10k1 |
| 04:17.37 | nvz | peterS: or devfs.. which I am sure is short for Devil File System |
| 04:17.39 | mick_laptop | peterS: yup |
| 04:17.44 | mick_laptop | and it worked the other day |
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| 04:17.52 | mick_laptop | sb live! |
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| 04:18.05 | mick_laptop | "the most supported card under linux" |
| 04:18.06 | peterS | nvz: nah, if you're using devfs and don't have /dev/dsp, you'll get "no such file or directory", not "no such device" |
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| 04:18.10 | mick_laptop | :) |
| 04:18.18 | gnudood | what is codasrv-se ? |
| 04:18.24 | peterS | mick_laptop: heh, yeah. so make sure the 'emu10k1' module is loaded |
| 04:18.28 | nvz | mick_laptop: echo "emu10k1" >> /etc/modules; modprobe emu10k1 |
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| 04:18.37 | eolson | hey, I have a problem with xvidtune... when I try to adjust the monitor nothing happens at all, anybody have an idea why? |
| 04:18.38 | peterS | mick_laptop: furthermore, make sure the ALSA module, 'snd_emu10k1', is *not* loaded |
| 04:18.43 | mick_laptop | peterS: modprobe seems to work fine |
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| 04:19.10 | peterS | gnudood: sounds like a component in the coda distributed filesystem |
| 04:19.10 | nvz | peterS: I guess. if I am using devfs however I would just get mad and remove it.. is what I'D get |
| 04:19.25 | peterS | gnudood: but I have never used coda, only read about it, so the name of your process doesn't really ring a bell |
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| 04:19.35 | peterS | nvz: don't get mad, get even |
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| 04:19.53 | peterS | nvz: go hunt down richard gooch and tell a bot to do nasty things to him |
| 04:19.58 | nvz | peterS: the zero's I write over my devfs are nice and even |
| 04:20.00 | tech13 | hehe, finally found my problem. i had an ~/.xinitrc in there that wasn't just a sym-link. thought .xsession was run first, oh well. |
| 04:20.01 | gnudood | peterS: do you now if gift+fasttrack+gnutella+OpenFT open that port? |
| 04:20.11 | bwlang | i'm trying to fire up a program on its own xserver like this xinit xterm -- :1 but i get X: client 1 rejected from local host -- any ideas? |
| 04:20.20 | peterS | gnudood: oh, that's a port? I thought it was a process. I have no idea what those protocols use |
| 04:20.34 | gnudood | okz |
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| 04:21.17 | Tezkah | anyone wanna enlighten me on a way to do a fast screen lock on GNOME? |
| 04:21.19 | peterS | tech13: heh. good to know you got it worked out |
| 04:21.27 | nvz | Tezkah: xscreensaver |
| 04:21.31 | Tezkah | I'm just curious, it works on Windows with Winkey+L |
| 04:21.38 | sbk | I've installed xfonts-scalable-nonfree, but xlsfonts is not showing any *-luxi-* fonts, which is supposed to be a part of it. This the correct channel to ask what to fix? :-) |
| 04:21.38 | Tezkah | and it just does a fast logout |
| 04:21.42 | Tezkah | anything simular? |
| 04:22.02 | peterS | Tezkah: I don't think there are any built-in hot keys to invoke xscreensaver and tell it to lock the screen |
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| 04:22.10 | peterS | Tezkah: but you could probably set one up if you tried hard enough |
| 04:22.14 | Tezkah | ah |
| 04:22.19 | nvz | Tezkah: I'd use sawfish with gnome instead of metashitty.. sawfish has great keybindings configuration tool |
| 04:22.25 | Tezkah | so a keystroke to start it up |
| 04:22.26 | mick_laptop | peterS: lsmod says sound: emu10k1 and soundcore: snd, emu10k1, sound |
| 04:22.31 | Tezkah | the xscreensaver, right? |
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| 04:22.49 | peterS | mick_laptop: that sounds sane |
| 04:22.51 | nvz | Tezkah: xscreensaver-command actually IIRC |
| 04:22.57 | Tezkah | ah |
| 04:23.00 | gf69 | i have a silly ?.....should root fs b mounted read only? |
| 04:23.12 | peterS | gf69: at boot time, yes |
| 04:23.18 | Tezkah | so I could set a key like F9 or some key like that to run the command "xscreensaver-command" and it would start it? |
| 04:23.18 | peterS | gf69: during boot, it is normally remounted read/write |
| 04:23.23 | nvz | Tezkah: there is a command like xscreensaver-command lock or something |
| 04:23.34 | nvz | Tezkah: read the manpage on it |
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| 04:23.39 | Tezkah | ah, sure |
| 04:23.42 | peterS | gf69: this fails if you happen to be using certain non-i386 architectures, at the moment, due to a bug in either initscripts or util-linux, depending on whom you ask |
| 04:23.45 | GA81 | hi all |
| 04:23.52 | gf69 | im having a problem with my server and upon looking through the logs that is the only thing i noticed out of the ordinary |
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| 04:24.01 | peterS | gf69: what hardware architecture? |
| 04:24.02 | nvz | Tezkah: the xscreensaver daemon has to be installed and running of course |
| 04:24.10 | Tezkah | ah |
| 04:24.15 | mick_laptop | peterS: damn, i'm stuck :/ |
| 04:24.16 | Tezkah | well, that points me in the right direction |
| 04:24.26 | GA81 | my profile file was changed i dont know how but it was changed |
| 04:24.28 | gf69 | amd k6 |
| 04:24.37 | peterS | mick_laptop: so, emu10k1 loaded and seemed to be running ok, but nothing can open /dev/dsp because of 'no such device'? |
| 04:24.49 | mick_laptop | right |
| 04:24.56 | peterS | gf69: weird. that should not exhibit the bug I'm talking about |
| 04:24.57 | GA81 | im looing for the original profile file of debian woody |
| 04:24.58 | nvz | Tezkah: I'd think the same thing if I seen you impersonating a girl on IRC |
| 04:25.00 | gf69 | i was on my site early yesterday then i couldnt get on them last night |
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| 04:25.18 | Tezkah | oh you're so silly |
| 04:25.20 | GA81 | can any one give it to me |
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| 04:25.23 | GA81 | plt |
| 04:25.24 | gf69 | so i checked to see if the ip changed and i checked eth0 and they are all fine |
| 04:25.26 | GA81 | plz |
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| 04:25.43 | JoshTriplett | GA81: You mean the shell profile? |
| 04:25.45 | peterS | GA81: mine should be close to unmodified, even though I'm using unstable. it should at any rate be close enough |
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| 04:25.52 | peterS | GA81: /dcc get peterS |
| 04:25.54 | JoshTriplett | GA81: /etc/profile, or ~/.profile? |
| 04:25.55 | gf69 | from a prompt i cannot even hit localhost with lynx |
| 04:25.55 | GA81 | jes |
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| 04:26.03 | GA81 | etc/profile |
| 04:26.04 | mwilson | GA81: Assuming you mean /etc/profile, is there some reason you can't just get it yourself? |
| 04:26.26 | leonardo | ;quit |
| 04:26.38 | peterS | GA81: you can't receive a DCC? |
| 04:26.40 | GA81 | i have some problem |
| 04:26.50 | JoshTriplett | GA81: Hang on, I'll put it on my website. |
| 04:26.51 | GA81 | when run a system command |
| 04:26.57 | peterS | GA81: then http://p12n.org/tmp/profile |
| 04:27.07 | GA81 | like vreboot it said connction refused |
| 04:27.15 | GA81 | ican |
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| 04:27.19 | JoshTriplett | peterS: That's the Sid profile, though, right? |
| 04:27.27 | GA81 | but what u want to send ?? |
| 04:27.28 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I have both Woody and Sid here. |
| 04:27.30 | peterS | JoshTriplett: yes, but I doubt it matters. bash hasn't changed that much |
| 04:27.30 | nvz | mwilson: clueless people get a helpless feeling when the hose a file and they have no idea how it works.. this seems to inhibit thier ability to RTFM |
| 04:27.33 | gf69 | the log from rebooting it says error mounting unchecked fs run efsck |
| 04:27.46 | mwilson | nvz: You assume they RTFM in the first place. |
| 04:27.46 | peterS | JoshTriplett: I glanced at it, and it looks fully compatible with bash going back at least 6 years |
| 04:27.47 | gf69 | then says mounting root fs as read only |
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| 04:27.56 | nvz | mwilson: supposing of course they have that ability |
| 04:28.05 | mick_laptop | i must be cursed |
| 04:28.15 | JoshTriplett | peterS: True, but he asked for the Woody profile. |
| 04:28.25 | JoshTriplett | peterS: And it has changed significantly. |
| 04:28.29 | peterS | JoshTriplett: I still bet the only changes, if any, are cosmetic |
| 04:28.33 | mick_laptop | lol |
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| 04:28.43 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.45 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.46 | mick_laptop | now if the god of sound just blessed me ;) |
| 04:28.50 | gf69 | lol i cannot remember how to get to single user mode to run efsck and the command to make it autofix errors it comes across |
| 04:28.57 | exodous | hi does anyone know how to reset the freenode irc password |
| 04:29.04 | exodous | I forgot my password |
| 04:29.10 | GA81 | peters is this profile for root |
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| 04:29.12 | nvz | exodous: its ILIKESHEEP |
| 04:29.15 | Guerin | exodous: ask in #freenode |
| 04:29.20 | peterS | exodous: you mean your NickServ password? |
| 04:29.27 | exodous | ya |
| 04:29.33 | peterS | exodous: wait 90 days for your account to expire, then ask a freenode staff member to delete it so you can create a new one |
| 04:29.39 | mick_laptop | exodous: wait for a long time then go to #freenode and ask them to delete your account |
| 04:29.39 | Tezkah | /msg nickserv identify gentooistehbest |
| 04:29.42 | Tezkah | errrr |
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| 04:29.54 | exodous | ah i got it |
| 04:29.57 | exodous | i remeber now |
| 04:29.58 | exodous | heh |
| 04:30.07 | mick_laptop | Tezkah: LOL |
| 04:30.11 | nvz | exodous: how can you forget ILIKESHEEP? |
| 04:30.18 | exodous | hahaha |
| 04:30.23 | gf69 | lmfao |
| 04:30.28 | mwilson | His was ILIKEGOATS |
| 04:30.29 | peterS | nvz: he forgot the caps lock |
| 04:30.41 | JoshTriplett | exodous: I think that's the general rule; when you forget something important, you have to make yourself look silly by asking before you can remember. :) |
| 04:30.51 | exodous | true |
| 04:30.54 | nvz | peterS: yeah, his sheep ran over the keyboard and broke his caps lock LED |
| 04:31.00 | peterS | JoshTriplett: yeah, and the wider the audience when you do, the more likely it will work |
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| 04:31.04 | gnudood | anyone knows if the kernel-image-2.6.7 is coming out for debian sid any soon? |
| 04:31.15 | peterS | gnudood: I should imagine it will |
| 04:31.17 | mwilson | gnudood: When someone uploads one. |
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| 04:31.34 | Tezkah | exodous, just keep a peice of paper under your keyboard |
| 04:31.36 | peterS | gnudood: the new kernel team seems active enough, having released 2.6.6-2 just recently |
| 04:31.52 | gnudood | :-) |
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| 04:31.57 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Extra-important audience help too; you are much more likely to remember something after looking silly in #debian-devel than in #debian, for example. |
| 04:32.00 | mwilson | peterS: Only time will tell if their kernels are worth using. |
| 04:32.13 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Or on a publically archived mailing list, even. |
| 04:32.18 | JoshTriplett | :) |
| 04:32.26 | mick_laptop | lol |
| 04:32.27 | exodous | Tezkah: um yeah - that IS the most secretive way of doing it- i will keep right next to my bank account password too...thanks for the great tip :P |
| 04:32.34 | nvz | JoshTriplett: that helps you to never forget it again ;) |
| 04:32.47 | Tezkah | exodous, at least its safe from hackers :P |
| 04:32.52 | Tezkah | unless they get in your house |
| 04:32.58 | exodous | Tezkah: very true very true |
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| 04:33.27 | nvz | Tezkah: probably will since anyone dumb enough to do that probably keeps the house key under the welcome mat |
| 04:33.48 | teddien | whats the newest debian thats out (i want to get the newest one) |
| 04:33.58 | mwilson | teddien: Woody. |
| 04:34.03 | Tezkah | Sid |
| 04:34.07 | mwilson | teddien: Just like the web site says. |
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| 04:34.13 | Tezkah | newest one, not stablest |
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| 04:34.17 | peterS | mwilson: that is true. I haven't tried a non-Xu debian kernel image yet |
| 04:34.19 | mick_laptop | lol |
| 04:34.28 | teddien | mwilson: well all i see is debian-30r2 |
| 04:34.35 | mwilson | teddien: The latest release is Woody. |
| 04:34.42 | peterS | mwilson: but the kernel team certainly has the credentials. I've got confidence that they can roll kernels that don't suck |
| 04:34.45 | teddien | o ok thanx |
| 04:34.53 | mwilson | teddien: Yes, the reason that's all you see would be because that's all there is. |
| 04:35.02 | GA81 | ok please help me the server support said that to fix this problem i must pay 80 euro per hour 8-/ |
| 04:35.03 | teddien | mwilson: i hope it works cuz the last time i tryed it it wouldnt boot :( |
| 04:35.11 | gf69 | i must crash....noon comes awefully early |
| 04:35.18 | gf69 | gnight all |
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| 04:35.23 | mwilson | teddien: If you say so. |
| 04:35.25 | tearabite | hello ppl.. i gave my computer a debian theme.. thought yall might like to see http://tearabite.selcouth.com/share/debian.jpg |
| 04:35.33 | mwilson | !ppl |
| 04:35.34 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.] |
| 04:35.42 | Tezkah | heheh |
| 04:35.50 | mwilson | Gods, that's ugly. |
| 04:36.00 | GA81 | when i log in the sell it give me this root@amjed:~# |
| 04:36.02 | Tezkah | I think it looks nice |
| 04:36.06 | tvn | debian fanatic |
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| 04:36.18 | teddien | mwilson: what should i get binary-1.iso ? |
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| 04:36.19 | selcouth | the swirl is awesome |
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| 04:36.22 | Tezkah | a debian fanatic in #debian!? |
| 04:36.25 | Tezkah | who would have thought! |
| 04:36.36 | mwilson | teddien: You should read the installation guide. Imagine that! |
| 04:36.39 | GA81 | but in the first time it give me this amjed:~# |
| 04:36.43 | parolyn | tearabite: i like it... |
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| 04:36.51 | xyxz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.51 | GA81 | how to return to the first one |
| 04:36.55 | teddien | mwilson: lol jus please anser the question |
| 04:37.12 | mwilson | teddien: I *did* answer the question. Gave you the best possible answer. |
| 04:37.40 | teddien | mwilson: damn it has to be it |
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| 04:37.53 | mwilson | teddien: Excuse me? |
| 04:37.54 | GA81 | :( |
| 04:38.10 | happyguy | I got my new Laptop today! I so happy, time to install Debian! |
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| 04:38.32 | Tezkah | teddien, woody is the latest stable one, sarge is the latest testing, sid is the unstable sexgod |
| 04:38.36 | Tezkah | er, unstable version |
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| 04:38.39 | mizery | There's another file that acts the same as ~/.asoundrc, or so I thought. Anyonwe know what it is? Something like /etc/asoundrc? |
| 04:38.58 | mwilson | Tezkah: He asked what the latest release was. The latest release is Woody. 'Nuff said. |
| 04:39.00 | tvn | hm, how can you write sexgod when you mean version ? |
| 04:39.01 | nvz | happyguy: good luck, but here's some Morphine just in case |
| 04:39.01 | teddien | Tezkah: lol |
| 04:39.13 | Tezkah | tvn: the keys are right next to each other! |
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| 04:39.21 | nvz | ... in case luck doesnt help the pain |
| 04:39.24 | mwilson | Tezkah: Since he's too special to read, you expect him to handle Sid? |
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| 04:39.33 | Tezkah | heh |
| 04:39.42 | nvz | which is true when dealing with HP |
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| 04:39.45 | Tezkah | I WAS JUST ANSWERING A QUESTION |
| 04:39.47 | teddien | Tezkah: how would i get a probgram like gimp |
| 04:39.53 | drewcore | is there a way to limit the size of users home directories? |
| 04:39.53 | Tezkah | apt-get install gimp ? |
| 04:40.00 | parolyn | teddien: www.gimp.org ? |
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| 04:40.06 | Tezkah | maybe you should read some faqs |
| 04:40.09 | teddien | Tezkah: ok thanx |
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| 04:40.27 | teddien | Tezkah: thats all i wanted to know |
| 04:40.41 | JoshTriplett | drewcore: Look up "quotas". |
| 04:40.56 | Tezkah | they have this gimp-clone on Windows |
| 04:40.56 | drewcore | thanks |
| 04:40.59 | Desiac | im tring to setup a port forward to an internal box from a ipchains gateway, It completes the forward when im external, but when im on local network doesn't work, to get internal working i just added a ipmasqadm portfw rule with a -L <ip of GW>, as i used -L <external IP> to get to work externally. would prefer to be using iptables :) need to run a 2.2.x so thats not an option, anyone have any ideas or suggestions :) |
| 04:41.00 | Tezkah | and it costs like $1000 CAD |
| 04:41.08 | nvz | Tezkah: gimp is available on windows |
| 04:41.17 | mwilson | Tezkah: No, actually they have this thing called The Gimp on Windows. |
| 04:41.22 | nvz | Tezkah: gimp.sf.net IIRC |
| 04:41.27 | Tezkah | I'm kidding |
| 04:41.32 | Tezkah | *referring to photoshop* |
| 04:41.44 | zignig | @penixsmite Tezkah |
| 04:41.58 | mwilson | How is Photoshop a Gimp clone? |
| 04:42.02 | zignig | grrr stoopid bot |
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| 04:42.10 | mwilson | Photoshop makes Gimp look like MS Paint. |
| 04:42.30 | nvz | I've never seen anymore than a photoshop trial |
| 04:42.32 | Tezkah | Photoshop makes gimp look like a great value |
| 04:42.40 | somedude | In Debian, what the equiv of "rpm -q foo --changelog" ? |
| 04:42.48 | Tezkah | $1000CAD for more features, or what you need for free? |
| 04:42.55 | nvz | the gimp is comming along quite nicely |
| 04:43.00 | Guerin | Tezkah: gimp is great for everyday stuff - but as a professional-strength app, photoshop remains king |
| 04:43.13 | Guerin | Tezkah: the issue is what you need |
| 04:43.40 | Tezkah | yeah |
| 04:43.45 | mwilson | I have no problem with paying for software... why should I? |
| 04:43.45 | Tezkah | I dont need photoshop at all |
| 04:43.53 | nvz | well fuck.. I am really going to bed.. now I remember why I havent came on irc in awhile ;) |
| 04:43.59 | Tezkah | MS Paint is probably good enough for my purposes |
| 04:44.10 | Tezkah | so gimp is above and beyond ;) |
| 04:44.27 | Korn | darn it i want to installed java but i don't know which one to download so i can play yahoo games |
| 04:44.36 | Korn | anyone have any ideas? |
| 04:44.38 | Guerin | Korn: /msg dpkg java |
| 04:44.54 | Guerin | Korn: of wean yourself off soul-sucking yahoo java games |
| 04:45.07 | Korn | so i need blackdown? |
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| 04:45.16 | Guerin | Korn: just RTFF |
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| 04:46.04 | somedude | Is there a Debian equiv of the --changelog option of rpm? |
| 04:47.07 | Guerin | somedude: what does it do? |
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| 04:47.29 | tvn | hm, somedude, not sure - if I need to see the changelog of diff version, I'll go directly to that package website from packages.debian.org |
| 04:47.53 | kwertii | what program can I use to test the actual transfer rate between two computers on my network? |
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| 04:48.22 | Korn | so how can i installed blackdown? |
| 04:48.46 | tvn | Korn: instruction from blackdown website |
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| 04:48.59 | Korn | i did tvn what java do i need so i can play yahoo games? |
| 04:49.15 | tvn | j2sdk probably |
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| 04:49.20 | Tezkah_ | Tezkah, this means war! |
| 04:49.22 | Guerin | Korn: you also need to enable a plugin for your browser |
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| 04:50.07 | Korn | tvn can i download it with apt? |
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| 04:50.45 | Guerin | tvn: NO |
| 04:50.55 | Guerin | tvn: the sdk is for when you're developing java apps |
| 04:50.57 | Korn | Guerin can u help me? |
| 04:51.04 | Guerin | Korn: I did already |
| 04:51.05 | tvn | Guerin: it also includes the jre |
| 04:51.10 | Korn | what java do i need then.. |
| 04:51.17 | Korn | Guerin so mozilla brings java to play> |
| 04:51.26 | Guerin | tvn: but unless you;re developing, all you need is the re |
| 04:51.50 | Guerin | Korn: there were several other factoids in that java factoid I told you about |
| 04:51.57 | Korn | oh |
| 04:52.05 | Guerin | Korn: ask dpkg about those and you'll have a full set of instructions |
| 04:52.39 | Korn | sorry i dont understand |
| 04:52.50 | Guerin | Korn: what don't you understand? |
| 04:52.59 | Korn | nothing |
| 04:53.03 | Korn | sorry im stupid |
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| 04:53.09 | Korn | i want java and i dnt know where i can download it |
| 04:53.18 | Guerin | !java |
| 04:53.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, java is a platform independent OO language. People usually associate Java with eye-candy applets, this is in fact a relatively weak use of Java. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> and <get-blackdown> (for starters). |
| 04:53.35 | Guerin | Korn: now, /msg dpkg sid mozilla java |
| 04:53.39 | Korn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.52 | Guerin | Korn: and /msg dpkg get-blackdown |
| 04:53.55 | Tezkah | without the space, darling |
| 04:54.12 | Korn | how can i add a miror Guerin on my sources list? |
| 04:54.32 | Guerin | Korn: apt-setup, as root |
| 04:54.37 | Korn | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.41 | Korn | i want that on my sources list |
| 04:54.57 | Guerin | Korn: or paste it into /etc/apt/sources.list with an editor |
| 04:55.05 | Korn | i did |
| 04:55.24 | Korn | E: Type 'ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/' is not known in on line 7 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:55.25 | Guerin | Korn: that's not an apt source |
| 04:55.43 | Guerin | Korn: that's a url |
| 04:56.06 | Korn | oh |
| 04:56.12 | Korn | can u get me a source list for java? |
| 04:56.13 | Korn | plz |
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| 04:56.41 | Korn | java2-common does it work ? |
| 04:56.45 | Korn | to play yahoo games |
| 04:56.59 | Tezkah | java... its proprietary, right? |
| 04:57.19 | Guerin | Korn: deb ftp://metalab.unc.edu/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org//debian <release> main non-free |
| 04:57.43 | Guerin | Korn: where <release> is one of stable, testing or unstable, corresponding to your version of debian |
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| 05:01.57 | Korn | ok done |
| 05:02.02 | Korn | what do i do now to get the java? |
| 05:02.05 | hacim | heh, I need to hack a machine running 2.4.18 because I lost the pw, there is a local root explot for thatkernel isn't there? |
| 05:02.08 | kruzi | anyone know where i can get the netinstall debian iso? |
| 05:02.16 | Guerin | Korn: apt-cach search java |
| 05:02.24 | Guerin | !tell kruzi about d-i |
| 05:02.34 | Guerin | Korn: apt-cache search java |
| 05:02.35 | Korn | Guerin, why is not connecting? |
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| 05:02.40 | Korn | 72% [Connecting to metalab.unc.edu (152.2.210.81) |
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| 05:03.11 | kruzi | is sarge still testing |
| 05:03.14 | kruzi | and woody stable? |
| 05:03.18 | Korn | yea |
| 05:03.20 | postgres | kruzi: yup |
| 05:03.26 | Guerin | Korn: frankly, mate, I don't use java and haven't installed it. All I did was follow the instructions, along with the url you gave me |
| 05:03.27 | Ecnassianer | Is sid still unstable? |
| 05:03.32 | Tezkah | a stable woody? |
| 05:03.35 | Guerin | yes, yes and yes |
| 05:03.36 | kruzi | haha |
| 05:03.42 | Ecnassianer | So nothing has changed? |
| 05:03.45 | Guerin | Ecnassianer: sid will always be unstable |
| 05:03.47 | postgres | Ecnassianer: sid is always unstable.. |
| 05:03.49 | Tezkah | must be running viagra >:| |
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| 05:03.50 | Korn | what was the link again Guerin |
| 05:04.01 | Guerin | Korn: how the fuck should I know? |
| 05:04.12 | Korn | grrr can i find it for me plz |
| 05:04.13 | carrett | anyone know how to play/convert a .mpc file? |
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| 05:04.26 | postgres | Does anyone have any idea when sarge will become stable? |
| 05:04.30 | Guerin | Korn: /msg dpkg get-blackdown |
| 05:04.37 | parolyn | Ecnassianer: there is a theory that says the universe has already been figured out and replaced with something even more inexplicable :) |
| 05:04.42 | Guerin | Korn: want me to wipe your arse as well? |
| 05:04.47 | wasabi | What's a <defunct> process? |
| 05:04.52 | Guerin | !sarge stable |
| 05:04.52 | dpkg | Sarge will be stable when it's ready, and not a moment earlier. |
| 05:04.53 | Korn | nope really |
| 05:04.56 | Tezkah | Guerin is disgruntled! |
| 05:05.08 | Guerin | Tezkah: no, I'm perfectly gruntled |
| 05:05.29 | Guerin | !sarge pool 4 |
| 05:05.29 | dpkg | Keep 'em coming! abrotman=2004-10-02 Guerin=2005-03-13 Kerpal=2005-01-01 FieldySnuts=2009-12-31 scarynetworkguy=2005-01-03 directhex=2004-12-25 <cantona>=2004-08-19 <cantona>=2004-8-19 andika=2005-01-31 Cit=2004-05-20 g0llum=2004-07-26 dan2=2004-06-24 bztunk=2004-09-11 obake=2004-04-31 guestish=2004-05-30 <galois>=2004-07-09 |
| 05:05.49 | Guerin | these are a few of the best as to when it will be stable ^^ |
| 05:06.18 | postgres | I really quite like debian--I'll be putting a new server together in the next few months and it would be nice to have a fairly up to state debian stable based system. :) |
| 05:06.23 | Korn | Guerin, which package i need? of java? |
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| 05:06.49 | Guerin | Korn: I don't know. the runtime environment and the mozilla plugin, I guess |
| 05:07.04 | Korn | Guerin, how? |
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| 05:07.13 | carrett | Korn: j2re1.3 or 1.4 |
| 05:07.17 | postgres | Is it reasonable to use sarge on a (light-load) production server? |
| 05:07.32 | postgres | Or should I stick with woody + backports... |
| 05:07.35 | Guerin | postgres: if you're not too worried about security updates, yeah |
| 05:07.36 | Korn | carrett, mozilla doesnt have it |
| 05:07.40 | carrett | Korn: also, do yourself a favor and read the documentation on debian.org |
| 05:07.50 | Guerin | postgres: woody + backports is alwways better, AFAIC |
| 05:08.14 | carrett | Korn: that's because you have to make a symlink to the plugin provided in the j2re1.x package |
| 05:08.28 | dan2 | haven't lost yet have i? |
| 05:08.29 | Korn | i dont know how to do that =( |
| 05:08.29 | dan2 | :) |
| 05:08.36 | carrett | Korn: in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins or whatever... |
| 05:08.46 | Guerin | !sid mozilla java |
| 05:08.46 | dpkg | i guess sid mozilla java is mozilla 1.4 (in sid) is compiled with g++ 3.2. The ABI has changed, and old Java virtual machines will not work any more. Please see http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla1.3/#compatible for details. See http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.blackdown.org/java-linux/JDK-1.4.1/i386/01/, or see 'get-blackdown' for apt-gettable sources. |
| 05:08.53 | carrett | Korn: well, you need to do some work. go to tldp.org and get familiar with linux |
| 05:09.10 | Guerin | !tell korn about fundamentals |
| 05:09.10 | carrett | Korn: (or for the short and easy way, man ln) |
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| 05:09.34 | karrot-x | epp |
| 05:09.44 | tvn | Korn: go read for a step-by-step java installation http://halong.dyndns.org/thanhvu/Computer/Linux/using/node18.html |
| 05:10.05 | mick_laptop | i guess his nick has more todo with what music he listens to vs what shell he uses :) |
| 05:10.24 | bdeck | Hello... I just built/installed the new 2.6.6 kernel and suddenly my mouse and touchpad no longer work. When I do a cat on /dev/input/mice, there is no longer activity. What is a quick way to test if the USB bus is actually up and running? |
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| 05:10.39 | mick_laptop | s/vs/as compared to/ |
| 05:10.56 | postgres | bdeck: dmesg and look for the usb controller |
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| 05:11.26 | Korn | does any client of mozilla comes with java? |
| 05:11.29 | Korn | inclueded? |
| 05:11.33 | postgres | bdeck: the usb modules were renamed in one of the recent released--I suspect that's what your problem is |
| 05:11.39 | hanasaki | what is a wvm file and what will play it? |
| 05:12.09 | mick_laptop | Korn: look for the binaries, there might be (sine there are some w/ svg support) |
| 05:12.21 | bdeck | postgres: where are the new module names listed? |
| 05:12.28 | Soleil-Raid | Does anybody know why I would get the following error when trying to use pam to authenticate postgresql users? `psql: FATAL 1: PAM authentication failed for user "edward"` |
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| 05:13.09 | mick_laptop | hanasaki: google... there are plenty of sites under "file types wvm" |
| 05:13.12 | postgres | postgres: /lib/modules/2.6.7/kernel/drivers/usb |
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| 05:13.33 | mick_laptop | Korn: please don't pm me (read the /topic) |
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| 05:13.40 | postgres | bdeck: /lib/modules/2.6.7/kernel/drivers/usb |
| 05:13.56 | bdeck | postgres: Thanks ... I'll have a look |
| 05:14.16 | postgres | bdeck: a quick way to make the work is to add the new modules to /etc/modules |
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| 05:14.29 | hanasaki | anything thats in a debian package that will play wvm |
| 05:14.36 | mick_laptop | Korn: look on www.mozilla.org and find a user submitted binary |
| 05:14.50 | Korn | im downloadind firebox |
| 05:14.50 | mick_laptop | Korn: a binary is a file that is executible... like an installer |
| 05:14.56 | Korn | does that one comes with java? |
| 05:14.59 | postgres | hanasaki: do you me wmv? |
| 05:15.02 | Tezkah | no |
| 05:15.09 | bdeck | postgres: I know, I just needed to know which names were critical for USB mice (like HID, etc). I'll play with it... |
| 05:15.12 | hanasaki | postgres: what? "me wvm"? |
| 05:15.13 | mick_laptop | Korn: firefox... not firebox |
| 05:15.14 | Tezkah | dont you have to get java from Sun? |
| 05:15.23 | Korn | does it come with java mick |
| 05:15.28 | Tezkah | as its not GPL'd |
| 05:15.38 | Soleil-Raid | hanasaki / postgres: wmv == wvm for all practical purposes. xine, mplayer, or one of their front ends is your best bet. |
| 05:15.41 | mick_laptop | Korn: some "come with" certain plugins etc. others do not |
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| 05:16.07 | hanasaki | Soleil-Raid: thanks i have zine but where to get the decoder? |
| 05:16.11 | postgres | hanasaki: sorry this stupid laptop keyboard is making me skip keys... |
| 05:16.20 | tvn | Korn: no , firefox doesn't come with java |
| 05:16.29 | Soleil-Raid | hanasaki: it's part of this ffmpeg (libavcodec) package |
| 05:16.48 | Soleil-Raid | you may also need w32codecs (google for w32codec debian) |
| 05:16.55 | mick_laptop | Korn: you will most likely have to go to sun to get the plugin... i'm unsure as firefox on osx comes with java |
| 05:17.04 | postgres | hanasaki: marillat.free.fr has packages for most of the video players... |
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| 05:17.10 | mick_laptop | i know by default on linux it doesn't |
| 05:17.17 | postgres | hanasaki: of course they're only legal if you're not in the USA :) |
| 05:17.32 | Soleil-Raid | hanasaki / postgres: Good point - forgot about that. |
| 05:17.44 | tvn | doubt if any browser come bundle with java since java is at least 20 MB's already |
| 05:17.46 | mick_laptop | Korn: some person may have created their own installer and put it online |
| 05:17.57 | mick_laptop | just read what i wrote before |
| 05:18.02 | debian | last |
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| 05:18.35 | debian | hanasaki: apt-get install w32codecs |
| 05:18.42 | mick_laptop | tvn: it "just works" in osx :) and the osx binary is pretty big iirc |
| 05:19.19 | hanasaki | debian: what source line do i need in apt.sources to get that? its not in the standard debian stuff |
| 05:19.33 | debian | !tell hanasaki about mplayer |
| 05:19.45 | Tezkah | !tell tezkah about mplayer |
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| 05:20.38 | sbk | How do I find out the list of commands that are executed when a deb package is installed? |
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| 05:21.14 | mick_laptop | sbk: strace? |
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| 05:21.54 | Soleil-Raid | hanasaki: marillat.free.fr - although the site is down for the first time in known history in the last hour or two |
| 05:22.18 | sbk | that's a bit too low-level.. I'm assuming there's some sort of script thats embedded along with the package, that would be more useful for me |
| 05:22.46 | housetier | can I just stop the proftpd daemon without closing an already active ftp transfer? |
| 05:22.47 | tvn | hanasaki: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ |
| 05:23.29 | mick_laptop | housetier: no |
| 05:23.54 | mick_laptop | housetier: denk doch mal nach... das macht kein sin :) |
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| 05:24.31 | housetier | mick_laptop, it does to me |
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| 05:25.12 | Korn | how can i actived the plugins on mozilla>? |
| 05:25.17 | Korn | i ready download the java plugin |
| 05:25.22 | mick_laptop | housetier: if you are downloading a file from a server and the server goes down... will it continue downloading? |
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| 05:25.32 | tvn | Korn: did you read the website I posted before ? |
| 05:25.41 | housetier | mick_laptop, do you really want to argue |
| 05:25.42 | Guerin | !moron Korn |
| 05:25.43 | dpkg | Korn: You are moron #18 |
| 05:25.57 | Gil | !moron Gil |
| 05:25.58 | dpkg | Gil: You are moron #92 |
| 05:26.24 | mick_laptop | Korn: /msg dpkg mozilla java |
| 05:27.08 | Korn | mick_laptop, where do i put? the symlink? |
| 05:27.14 | mick_laptop | housetier: there is nothing to argue about, it won't work... BUT - if you stop the ftp server and start it again, it *should* pickup where it left off |
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| 05:27.33 | mick_laptop | Korn: read! |
| 05:27.45 | mick_laptop | it says it right there |
| 05:27.47 | nxrble | I'm trying to run a academic systems math class disk, and it's supposedly only for windows. any suggestions on how to run/install? |
| 05:27.54 | Guerin | mick_laptop: there's no fucking use, this one's completely braindead |
| 05:28.09 | mick_laptop | "go to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ and make a symlink to /usr/local/jwhatever//plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so" |
| 05:28.12 | Guerin | nxrble: look into using wine |
| 05:28.32 | Korn | i dont get that crap /usr/local/jwhatever//plugin/i386/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 05:28.44 | tvn | that's because you haven't installed anything yet |
| 05:28.47 | nxrble | wine always gives me an error of 1 msg. I know I'm a n00b on this and all, is there a cheat sheet for wine? |
| 05:28.55 | Korn | tvn i did |
| 05:28.58 | mick_laptop | Guerin: i agree |
| 05:29.00 | Korn | libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 05:29.04 | Korn | there is the plugin |
| 05:29.15 | Guerin | Korn: su jwhatever for what the fucking dir is actually called |
| 05:29.18 | Guerin | imbecile |
| 05:29.24 | Guerin | s/su/sub/ |
| 05:29.48 | Guerin | nxrble: there probably is - I don't use it. Try #winehq and the docss on the wine site |
| 05:30.15 | nxrble | that channel is on this server I assume? |
| 05:30.24 | Guerin | nxrble: I think so, yeah |
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| 05:30.35 | nxrble | thanks! |
| 05:30.37 | tvn | nxrble: what kind of math software is it ? if it's Mathematica or Matlab, I doubt it can be run using wine |
| 05:31.00 | nxrble | it's "interactive mathmatics" for an online math 121 course |
| 05:31.18 | Korn | mick_laptop, u mean on the mozilla directory? |
| 05:31.22 | Guerin | !u |
| 05:31.22 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 05:31.37 | nxrble | by a company called academic systems. they list absolutely no support for anything but windows OS |
| 05:31.39 | Laufer | !ne1 |
| 05:31.39 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 05:31.50 | Laufer | cute |
| 05:31.56 | mick_laptop | Korn: your hopeless |
| 05:32.05 | Guerin | nxrble: don't study with thenm then :) |
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| 05:32.06 | Guerin | !your |
| 05:32.06 | dpkg | from memory, your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 05:32.21 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: have you gotten any further on wine? |
| 05:32.34 | myren | what the hell is u alls talking shit about in here? |
| 05:32.40 | mick_laptop | Korn: go to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ and make the symlink there |
| 05:32.47 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: lol, hell no |
| 05:32.47 | Korn | ok |
| 05:32.56 | Korn | ln: `./libjavaplugin_oji.so': File exists |
| 05:32.59 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: pfft I thought you were on top of that shit |
| 05:33.04 | tvn | nxrble: unless the prof explicitly requires that software, otherwise, use another math package that runs natively on linux |
| 05:33.05 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: i'm aking in #winehq |
| 05:33.13 | skorpfox | ahhh hehe |
| 05:33.18 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: i dropped that shit |
| 05:33.31 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: its just that MSI installer shit that gets me |
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| 05:33.40 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: and my sound frigged up too |
| 05:33.46 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: go figure :P |
| 05:33.46 | nxrble | too late! already paid for the course. of course, I'm doing this ENTIRE linux thing thanks to an a--hole friend who "Accidently" sent a few virus/malware to me, and tanked my XP hdd. Oh! And then come to find out the eMachines "system restore disk" is nothing more than a keyboard, mouse, and printer driver, and AOL! A O L! on a system restore disk! arrrrrrrrrr |
| 05:33.49 | xerophyte | do i have to install anything to use the append="panic in the grub ? |
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| 05:34.00 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: I asked for help on winex and they gave me shit for using it because it was a pay-for program. |
| 05:34.05 | Guerin | nxrble: kill your friend |
| 05:34.21 | Guerin | nxrble: on the other hand, thank him |
| 05:34.22 | fantasticbuff | how can i monitor a network link, i.e the ethernet cable between my firewall and dmz switch? hub, vampire switch, put a machine with 2 ethernet cards between the firewall and dmz? |
| 05:34.23 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: heh |
| 05:34.24 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: how'd it kill your sound? |
| 05:34.31 | Guerin | nxrble: all he did was speed up the inevitable :) |
| 05:34.34 | nxrble | if he wasn't in kentucky, and me in AZ, he'd be dead. wasted my father's day trying to learn debian |
| 05:34.42 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: It should still be the same with or without wine. :-S |
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| 05:34.59 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: no it didn't - i shutdown my comp this mornin (to get some sleep) -- then check this... |
| 05:35.03 | nxrble | and yeah, it's sorta a blessing in disguise. at least it's just a summer class, if I tank it it's just 200 bucks |
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| 05:35.09 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: i start it up and my sound doesn't work |
| 05:35.11 | ight8 | hello, I'm trying to install jfs utils and when I goto tar xvzf.gz the package I get along list of "error, no such file or directory" after a list of files? any ideas what i did wrong? |
| 05:35.22 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: can you contact your sound card? |
| 05:35.36 | Guerin | ight8: is it a .gz, or a .tar.gz? |
| 05:35.37 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: contact? |
| 05:35.41 | tvn | nxrble: don't get too much hope on able to run any sophisticated math package with wine . |
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| 05:35.42 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: i mean 'cat' something to your /dev/dsp |
| 05:35.49 | pabst | hrmm |
| 05:35.52 | ight8 | uh tar.gz |
| 05:36.02 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: one sec (let me boot it again) |
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| 05:36.20 | mick_laptop | i am on my laptop now :) |
| 05:36.25 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: find some .au file and type "cat /etc/sound.au /dev/dsp0" |
| 05:36.25 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: ah hehe ok |
| 05:36.30 | Guerin | ight8: it's specific to the archive, I guess. |
| 05:36.58 | Guerin | tvn: why? out of curiosity... what makes math packages so diffficult to run? |
| 05:37.16 | Guerin | mick_laptop: hence the name |
| 05:37.17 | myren | because a mathemetician + a coder made them up |
| 05:37.21 | myren | what the HELL do you expect |
| 05:37.26 | VoX | heh |
| 05:37.33 | Guerin | myren: so it's because they're mad chaos inside? |
| 05:37.51 | myren | something like that |
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| 05:38.04 | myren | whatevers inside, it certainly aint right |
| 05:38.07 | myren | loose d10 sanity points |
| 05:38.07 | nxrble | I'm surprised at several things, of which the main one is how this entire community is just so large and well past what I imagined it was. But the other thing I've noticed, as I'm trying my best to unlearn a lot of windows BS, is how much dependance on them there is in the world. |
| 05:38.07 | pabst | ight8: try just tar -zxf /filepath |
| 05:38.07 | pabst | ... |
| 05:38.08 | nxrble | My math class is an example-there is NO alternate software for this course! Just the Win xx only software suites! |
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| 05:38.12 | Guerin | myren: so all you need to do is find a well-made math suite |
| 05:38.20 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: wtf... this isn't real. my comp won't boot |
| 05:38.24 | ight8 | ok |
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| 05:38.27 | myren | blas / R seem to be a fairly standard package |
| 05:38.31 | mick_laptop | keyboard and monitor won't respond |
| 05:38.33 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: ah? what does it do? |
| 05:38.37 | Guerin | nxrble: that truly is teh suck |
| 05:38.38 | mick_laptop | but power works |
| 05:38.38 | myren | i was planning on using that someday latter |
| 05:38.49 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: ouch |
| 05:38.54 | mick_laptop | i see nothing on the screen |
| 05:39.00 | Guerin | nxrble: try crossover office, maybe. Try some kind of windows emulation... |
| 05:39.05 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: do you see the bios pop-up for a second? |
| 05:39.08 | nxrble | si, they are all horrible monsters, and I pray for their death |
| 05:39.11 | mick_laptop | and power goes to kb for a few seconds |
| 05:39.16 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: no |
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| 05:39.21 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: before lilo/grub |
| 05:39.27 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: hmmmmm |
| 05:39.28 | nxrble | what windows emultors are worthwile? if that's a true term? |
| 05:39.43 | skorpfox | nxrble: wine |
| 05:39.43 | Guerin | nxrble: I don't know - again, I just pointblank refuse to use them |
| 05:39.47 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: nothing shows on the screen (no green light) |
| 05:39.55 | Guerin | skorpfox: wine is not an emulator |
| 05:39.57 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: very odd... |
| 05:40.02 | mick_laptop | anyone with an idea is welcome to comment :) |
| 05:40.23 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: I would try and boot with a linux CD |
| 05:40.25 | nxrble | I also have a question about security library(s) |
| 05:40.25 | simy | is there a way on IRC that i can get a list of all the channels, im used to using |
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| 05:40.31 | simy | MIRC on windows......... |
| 05:40.51 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: that doesn't help, i see no screen and my kb has no power |
| 05:40.52 | nxrble | I was trying to insstall yahoo messenger, and I have the deb file and everything |
| 05:40.54 | Guerin | simy: depends on the irc client - as you have already correctly identified |
| 05:41.08 | tvn | Guerin: perhaps because of their complicateness and features ? I need Matlab for works but only have the Windows version - have been trying to figure out how to make it run with Wine but no success so far |
| 05:41.09 | Guerin | nxrble: eccch, use gaim instead |
| 05:41.09 | helix | simy: /list |
| 05:41.11 | mick_laptop | simy /list |
| 05:41.14 | simy | thank you |
| 05:41.15 | nxrble | but when I try to unpkg it, it says my security file isn't right |
| 05:41.23 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: then I would unplug all the cables from the back and plug in the absolute neccessary...ie. power, keyboard, monitor. Thats it |
| 05:41.29 | peterS | helix,mick_laptop: that works? I thought freenode had it disabled |
| 05:41.37 | Guerin | peterS: it does |
| 05:41.45 | Guerin | (have it disabled) |
| 05:41.49 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: something might have come loose. ;-) |
| 05:41.51 | nxrble | yeah, gaim is awesome, however, I was trying to utilize the webcam/audio funcionalty |
| 05:42.00 | mick_laptop | peterS: it works |
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| 05:42.12 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: like......? |
| 05:42.23 | helix | hmm, i thought it worked |
| 05:42.23 | pabst | asdf |
| 05:42.23 | nxrble | I got the same error when I installed real player for mozilla, something about my 0.9.3 file not being up to snuff |
| 05:42.27 | Guerin | peterS: hrm, on the other hand... works in irssi with -YES |
| 05:42.32 | mick_laptop | my kb lights up for a sec. then numlock doesn't work |
| 05:42.38 | Guerin | if I get kicked, you'll know why... |
| 05:42.42 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: like check all the cards inside ur computer make sure they are tight down as well as make sure that all the cables are secure |
| 05:42.43 | ight8 | i tryed the tar -zxf jfsutils.tar.gz and I get the same responce, after it lists every file in the tarball it says cannot open no such file or directory |
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| 05:43.03 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: also... i get no POST beeps |
| 05:43.10 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: will do |
| 05:43.14 | ight8 | I'm installing from /usr/local is that wrong |
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| 05:43.26 | pabst | whats a good irc client for deb.ppc |
| 05:43.28 | Guerin | nxrble: ecch, proprietary software on a gnu system is just never up to snuff |
| 05:43.32 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: no post beeps even. hrm :-S |
| 05:43.37 | Guerin | pabst: irssi |
| 05:43.48 | pabst | is it text or x based |
| 05:43.54 | Guerin | pabst: text |
| 05:44.01 | pabst | any x based that you know of? |
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| 05:44.18 | nxrble | so what's a good way to video convferance with other win systems? |
| 05:44.19 | Guerin | pabst: tons - xchat, konversation, ksirc |
| 05:44.26 | Guerin | nxrble: gnomemeeting |
| 05:44.26 | pabst | thanks |
| 05:44.27 | nxrble | or a good place to look for that answer? |
| 05:44.51 | nxrble | and I'll be dmaned if I already have that. |
| 05:44.54 | nxrble | wow |
| 05:44.59 | Guerin | nxrble: google is always your friend |
| 05:45.00 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: now i get one beep and my kb works, no video though (guess my video card is going to be replaced) |
| 05:45.22 | Guerin | pabst: all the x-based ones tend to be shit, though |
| 05:45.27 | nxrble | you know, I like this linux thing more and more every minute |
| 05:45.32 | mick_laptop | pabst: apt-cache search irc |
| 05:45.35 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: would open ur case, unplug video card, blow off dust and plug back in. just to try. hehe |
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| 05:45.46 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: heh |
| 05:45.48 | pabst | Guerin: which would you go with? |
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| 05:45.58 | tvn | nxrble: there's gaim-vv for video support on yahoo but I don't know how stable it is - |
| 05:46.06 | Guerin | !why-gnu-linux |
| 05:46.06 | dpkg | The name "GNU/Linux" is designed to remind people of the motives and philosophy of the GNU movement that started the whole Free Software revolution. <http://www.gnu.org/gnu/why-gnu-linux.html> |
| 05:46.10 | Guerin | arr |
| 05:46.10 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: when i put tyhe card in, i had to remove a postit that said "defective" :) |
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| 05:46.32 | simy | where can i read about mouse protocls? |
| 05:46.36 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: smooth :-P I guess then you probably kno the reason then. haha |
| 05:46.37 | Guerin | pabst: I go with irssi-text |
| 05:46.43 | nxrble | the vv is found via google I take it? |
| 05:46.45 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: yup ;) |
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| 05:47.05 | tvn | nxrble: it's on sourceforge www.sf.net |
| 05:47.27 | Guerin | g4lt: net/2? |
| 05:47.27 | pabst | thanks Guerin |
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| 05:47.50 | g4lt | Guerin BSD's first free tapes |
| 05:47.50 | nxrble | wow. that site is gonna consume me. thanks |
| 05:48.01 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: i just restarted again (on accident i pressed the wrong button) - now it works fine |
| 05:48.07 | mick_laptop | skorpfox: go figure |
| 05:48.08 | Guerin | g4lt: interesting... |
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| 05:48.36 | skorpfox | mick_laptop: lol, you have a good computer, wish I had a computer like that |
| 05:48.49 | mick_laptop | fuck... now my kb won't work |
| 05:49.02 | Guerin | mick_laptop: put the post-it back on |
| 05:49.06 | mick_laptop | i will restart till this shit likes me |
| 05:49.17 | mick_laptop | hah |
| 05:49.17 | skorpfox | haha |
| 05:49.22 | mick_laptop | works like a charm :) |
| 05:49.35 | mick_laptop | Guerin: i'll do that :) |
| 05:49.39 | skorpfox | -_- |
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| 05:49.52 | g4lt | mick_laptop maybe if you put kewl stickers on it like a gentoo-er to get more clock speeds ;P |
| 05:49.54 | skorpfox | be sure to cross a few pins with the post-it's sticky side |
| 05:50.13 | Guerin | g4lt: and fins, and a big blower on the front |
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| 05:52.09 | skorpfox | mwahahaha |
| 05:52.19 | skorpfox | war driving with my cell phone rocks |
| 05:52.29 | peterS | g4lt: case mods can be much more effective than megahertz |
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| 05:53.42 | skorpfox | guerin: well its good you only considered it |
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| 05:53.47 | g4lt | peterS depends, I suppose. my special lawnmower fans tend to keep my cube clear of most asshats |
| 05:53.51 | Guerin | skorpfox: why? |
| 05:54.08 | skorpfox | Guerin: gentoo people are mean to me. :-( |
| 05:54.17 | peterS | g4lt: they should make a movie about you and your souped-up computers |
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| 05:54.19 | Guerin | skorpfox: aww, poor poppet |
| 05:54.27 | skorpfox | hehe |
| 05:54.29 | peterS | L4wnmower M4n |
| 05:54.37 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:54.43 | g4lt | peterS they already did: _Texas chainsaw massacare_ ;P |
| 05:54.56 | skorpfox | jobe would be a good name to have |
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| 05:55.02 | Guerin | g4lt: funny, you don't type with a texan drawl... |
| 05:55.45 | g4lt | neither does zipperhead IIRC |
| 05:55.46 | Blue_Hair | what is the Minimum Wage |
| 05:56.01 | skorpfox | anyone see day of the dead? |
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| 05:56.10 | g4lt | Blue_Hair about twice what I make :/ |
| 05:56.19 | Blue_Hair | what is the Minimum Wage? |
| 05:56.21 | Guerin | skorpfox: I hear it's actually decent |
| 05:56.35 | Guerin | !fgi Blue_Hair |
| 05:56.36 | dpkg | Blue_Hair: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 05:56.37 | skorpfox | Guerin: yea its pretty good. Maddox's review of it was funny tho |
| 05:56.43 | g4lt | Blue_Hair I think it's $5.35/hr |
| 05:56.49 | Blue_Hair | I tried google but theres too much crap |
| 05:56.51 | Guerin | skorpfox: maddox is only unny for the first couple rants |
| 05:57.01 | Guerin | Blue_Hair: you're not googling right thne |
| 05:57.11 | skorpfox | Guerin: haha, sometimes its pretty weak, but sometimes its pretty funny |
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| 05:57.37 | skorpfox | Guerin: I know a guy that bitches more than him so its less harsh to me. |
| 05:57.40 | skorpfox | lol |
| 05:57.48 | Guerin | Blue_Hair: http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/wages/minimumwage.htm |
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| 05:58.19 | skorpfox | Guerin: u read the "mexicans are taking the US citizens jobs" one? |
| 05:58.21 | Guerin | Blue_Hair: google: federal minimum wage us |
| 05:58.29 | Guerin | skorpfox: nah |
| 05:58.53 | skorpfox | Guerin: if you are in California thats funny and really true. |
| 05:59.11 | Guerin | skorpfox: depends on your perspective I guess |
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| 05:59.14 | skorpfox | Guerin: someone has a movie out called " a day without mexicans ". Funny stuff |
| 05:59.43 | Guerin | skorpfox: I have friends in cali who say that local rural economies would collapse without all the sub-minimum-wage migrant labour |
| 06:00.10 | Guerin | skorpfox: xenophobia ain't funny, and it ain't pretty neither |
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| 06:01.34 | skorpfox | Guerin: yup its very true that a lot of california society would die without underpaid illegal immagrants. |
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| 06:02.10 | skorpfox | guerin: i used to live in LA and know all about that. Had a bunch of friends that were illegal immagrants from mexico too. they found the movie pretty funny |
| 06:02.21 | pabst | Guerin: what was the client you use again irss..? |
| 06:02.31 | Guerin | skorpfox: commercial release? Or can I get a link? |
| 06:02.35 | Guerin | pabst: irssi-text |
| 06:03.07 | skorpfox | Guerin: yea I have it bookmarked...lemme find it... |
| 06:03.12 | Guerin | pw: bare what? |
| 06:03.19 | pw | Is gcc-3.3 generally broke on Athlon, or is it just me? |
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| 06:03.28 | Cancel_ | hi |
| 06:03.32 | dondelelcaro | Blue_Hair: the minimum wage depends on the state, and (obviously) the country. |
| 06:03.41 | dondelelcaro | in some cases, it even depends on the County or City. |
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| 06:03.55 | skorpfox | Guerin: http://www.esmas.com/adaywithoutamexican/dos.html |
| 06:04.05 | Cancel_ | could you explain why Debian installer dont detect my NIC? |
| 06:04.06 | skorpfox | Guerin: funny trailer if you watch it |
| 06:04.15 | dondelelcaro | Cancel_: which installer are you using? |
| 06:04.27 | pw | Cancel_: what NIC? |
| 06:04.34 | Cancel_ | Sis 900 |
| 06:04.43 | dondelelcaro | Cancel_: if you're unable to figure out which nic you have and load the module, you're probably better off using the d-i installer. |
| 06:04.44 | Cancel_ | installer.. various |
| 06:04.56 | Cancel_ | from diskettes, from CDs |
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| 06:05.32 | dondelelcaro | Cancel_: those are methods of installation. The installer on them is the same. |
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| 06:05.49 | Cancel_ | network installation |
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| 06:06.43 | Cancel_ | i've downloaded from "dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/20040430/images" all files, but network while installing is not present |
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| 06:07.25 | dondelelcaro | Cancel_: ok, use the installer present at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 06:07.35 | Cancel_ | before I tried install debian-30r2-i386-binary-1_NONUS but network also is absent |
| 06:07.59 | scoopexH | i have a small project at sourceforge but I`m not able to find out how to release packages or tarballs at the sourceforge-site..... can anybody give me a hint ? |
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| 06:08.21 | dondelelcaro | Cancel_: if you're using the woody installer, you'll have to run modconf and select your network driver. |
| 06:08.23 | ZzZzz | im trying to run the firefox install on sarge, but i keep getting this error " Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 06:08.35 | ZzZzz | i tired xhost + localhost |
| 06:08.36 | xerophyte | is there any option with grub saying appened=panic |
| 06:08.37 | xerophyte | ? |
| 06:08.46 | dondelelcaro | ZzZzz: do not *EVER* run xhost +localhost. |
| 06:08.53 | Cancel_ | dondelelcaro, hmm, thanks i'll try right now |
| 06:08.53 | ZzZzz | and DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 xhost + |
| 06:08.57 | ZzZzz | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 06:09.14 | dondelelcaro | ZzZzz: you don't need to run ihe firefox install. Just install the appropriate firefox package. |
| 06:09.38 | dondelelcaro | ZzZzz: there's a reason why you're using debian. |
| 06:09.40 | iav | when configuring xf86, what should i put as the mouse device? /dev/input/mice or /dev/input/mouse0 or something else? |
| 06:09.47 | ZzZzz | that dont answer the cant open the disply issues? |
| 06:09.49 | dondelelcaro | iav: it depends on what you're doing. |
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| 06:10.00 | iav | i have a PS/2 mouse |
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| 06:10.08 | dondelelcaro | ZzZzz: the can't open display issues is because you're running as root, and you don't have the appropriate DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY set. |
| 06:10.10 | mick_laptop | if i have a file with a list of packages to remove... apt-get remove < files won't work... what could i do to to remove each file? |
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| 06:10.17 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: man xargs |
| 06:10.31 | ZzZzz | humm well i started my x as non root and did xhost as non root |
| 06:10.33 | dondelelcaro | iav: /dev/input/mice should work. |
| 06:10.38 | mick_laptop | dondelelcaro: ya, well that doesn't help me... |
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| 06:10.41 | asciiwhite | hello all |
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| 06:10.48 | asciiwhite | an someone tell me which driver is the scsi pci2000 in kernel config |
| 06:10.50 | mick_laptop | oh cat then xargs i guess |
| 06:10.55 | asciiwhite | because it's error1'ing on me |
| 06:10.56 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: uh, sure it does. xargs builds a command with arbitrary input from stdin. |
| 06:10.59 | Cancel_ | mick_laptop, try to type "insmod hid" |
| 06:11.12 | dondelelcaro | ZzZzz: yes, but you didn't run the xhost command properly in the first place. |
| 06:11.30 | ZzZzz | dondelelcaro, how should have i run it? |
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| 06:11.43 | dondelelcaro | ZzZzz: besides, it's not something that you should be running at all. Anyone who can connect to your X server effectively owns your machine. |
| 06:11.55 | dondelelcaro | ZzZzz: you don't run it. |
| 06:12.06 | mick_laptop | Cancel_: dork - wrong nick |
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| 06:12.09 | ZzZzz | yeah but im behing a firewalll, and not exposed to the outside world |
| 06:12.24 | dondelelcaro | ZzZzz: doesn't matter. |
| 06:12.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell ZzZzz about run stuff as root |
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| 06:12.43 | jackse | Is it possible to change the console text color? |
| 06:12.51 | dondelelcaro | jackse: yes, using escape codes. |
| 06:12.55 | mick_laptop | jackse: yes |
| 06:12.56 | dondelelcaro | jackse: ls --color; FE. |
| 06:13.49 | madcheez | whats with the topic? if I apt-get upgraded on Sunday, I wont be able to boot my system? |
| 06:13.52 | madcheez | I havent tried yet. |
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| 06:14.02 | mick_laptop | jackse: console or xterm -- both are possible |
| 06:14.04 | pabst | asdf |
| 06:14.11 | dondelelcaro | madcheez: depends on which version of module-init-tools you are running. Check the bts. |
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| 06:14.19 | Guerin | pabst: it's working |
| 06:14.27 | mick_laptop | pabst: putting your password in here? |
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| 06:14.34 | pabst | huh? |
| 06:14.43 | mick_laptop | asdf :P |
| 06:14.44 | jackse | How to change the default console text color? even when booting up |
| 06:14.45 | Guerin | 15:12:29 < pabst> asdf |
| 06:14.46 | Guerin | 15:12:29 < pabst> asdf |
| 06:14.49 | Guerin | damn |
| 06:14.55 | Guerin | fucking doublemousey |
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| 06:15.12 | peterS | !eat Guerin's mouse |
| 06:15.26 | Guerin | sometimes my laptop records two keystrokess, or two mouse clicks |
| 06:15.28 | pabst | mick_laptop: my pswd was shown? |
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| 06:15.47 | peterS | pabst: is your password '12345'? that's the combination on my briefcase |
| 06:15.53 | pabst | noe |
| 06:15.54 | pabst | no |
| 06:16.00 | pabst | heh |
| 06:16.06 | Guerin | that's why my typing appears much worse than it really is :) |
| 06:16.25 | pabst | Guerin: you're typing is fine... i'm drunk... |
| 06:16.28 | madcheez | Anyone know if I can use an IP in my hosts.deny file instead of a domain or hostname...? |
| 06:16.35 | Guerin | pabst: i hate to think on what ... |
| 06:16.36 | peterS | madcheez: sure you can |
| 06:16.42 | pabst | hahaha |
| 06:16.46 | pabst | self explanitory |
| 06:16.48 | pabst | .... |
| 06:17.03 | madcheez | peterS: ok, figured so, didnt show any IP examples in the man page |
| 06:17.14 | Guerin | jackse: read the bash prompt howto on tldp.org |
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| 06:17.48 | pabst | Guerin: whats a good server to use |
| 06:18.02 | kruzi | what do u mean server? |
| 06:18.07 | Guerin | pabst: dependds whayt you're serving |
| 06:18.17 | pabst | for irc... |
| 06:18.30 | Guerin | pabst: if you have to ask, you shouldn't run an irc server |
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| 06:18.42 | pabst | i'm not trying to run one... |
| 06:18.46 | pabst | just to connect to... |
| 06:18.56 | Guerin | pabst: this might come as a shock to you, but: |
| 06:19.02 | Guerin | pabst: you're using one RIGHT NOW |
| 06:19.09 | pabst | no shit |
| 06:19.10 | madcheez | lol |
| 06:19.19 | peterS | madcheez: not only that, you can specify a whole subnet with x.x.x.x/255.255.255.0 or similar |
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| 06:19.23 | skorpfox | Guerin: Question for you. I have flash plugin for firefox/mozilla and the audio is constantly skippy while playing a flash video. whats up with that |
| 06:19.24 | pabst | i'm just wondering if they're differnet... |
| 06:19.26 | pabst | guess not... |
| 06:19.48 | Guerin | skorpfox: dodgy sound driver, slow computer, badly coded applet ... coule be anything |
| 06:20.09 | Guerin | skorpfox: I know SFA about flash - does it happen with mp3 or normal video as well? |
| 06:20.48 | skorpfox | Guerin: nope. And I have a 1.7ghz computer with 2gig ram so dun think its my computer messing it up |
| 06:20.50 | Guerin | pabst: yes, irc servers are very different. freenode is mostly computer stuff. dal.net, efnet and undernet are for pr0n and warez... etc... |
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| 06:21.02 | Guerin | skorpfox: must be the flashplayer or applet then |
| 06:21.03 | pabst | ok thanks |
| 06:21.14 | skorpfox | Guerin: the suck |
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| 06:21.24 | Guerin | skorpfox: yes, flash is the suck |
| 06:21.25 | skorpfox | Guerin: will try another flash player. :-S |
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| 06:22.35 | madcheez | peterS: you know if I have to restart anything for hosts.deny to take effect? |
| 06:22.51 | peterS | madcheez: you might have to restart the server application you care about |
| 06:22.56 | peterS | madcheez: but probably not even that |
| 06:23.06 | madcheez | peterS: hmm.. |
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| 06:23.11 | madcheez | peterS: ok, thanks alot |
| 06:23.21 | pme | madcheez: the tcpwrappers library should reread it automatically |
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| 06:24.10 | peterS | Guerin: is shn less sane than flac, then? |
| 06:24.13 | peterS | Guerin: I've never used either |
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| 06:24.25 | peterS | Guerin: I understand flac is the new kid on the block, relatively speaking |
| 06:25.37 | Guerin | peterS: I've hardly used flac, but it's foss, and plays most anywhere. SHN is strangely licensed - only for non-commercial use - and there seems to only be a plugin for xmms/winamp to play it |
| 06:26.10 | thu | why would a samba server otherwise perfectly accessible not show up in the workgroup list on a windows box? |
| 06:26.10 | peterS | Guerin: ah, ok |
| 06:26.10 | Guerin | peterS: that's true, but I would have thought that people would be flocking to it, because it's actively developed, and does basic things like seeking |
| 06:26.42 | Guerin | peterS: you can play shn with a script which converts it to wav on the fly, then pipes it to a player app - but that's a pita |
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| 06:27.41 | peterS | Guerin: so basically, shn decoder support sucks on anything other than winamp, is what you're saying |
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| 06:28.21 | peterS | Guerin: any idea of relative performance (file size) between shn and flac? |
| 06:28.32 | topo | hi how can do in bitchx to save the scroll of a window (i forgot set the log option)??? sorry for my english |
| 06:28.42 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, but there's no standalone player been made for it wither, and the shconv app won't interface with vorbis, mp3, etc... |
| 06:28.52 | Guerin | peterS: nah, no idea on the technical details |
| 06:28.56 | thu | topo: use irssi, it's nicer |
| 06:29.29 | topo | thu: next time now really need save that log... |
| 06:29.33 | peterS | Guerin: well, client support is important - I'd use flac if I wanted either one, just for that reason, and because I trust xiph |
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| 06:29.43 | ogge_ | hey |
| 06:29.46 | thu | topo: sorry |
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| 06:30.02 | ogge_ | is this the place for tips/help/whatever on linux ? |
| 06:30.08 | ogge_ | debian linux, even ;) |
| 06:30.09 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, I would, too |
| 06:30.11 | peterS | ogge_: it's a place for questions and answers |
| 06:30.12 | helix | ogge_: for debian |
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| 06:30.38 | ogge_ | okay, well, then perhaps you can help me... i've got this problem with my mouse |
| 06:30.46 | peterS | ogge_: you have definitely come to the right place (: |
| 06:30.51 | peterS | helix: oh stop it (: |
| 06:31.03 | Guerin | peterS in teh house |
| 06:31.05 | helix | peterS: it was just too perfect |
| 06:31.10 | peterS | helix: agreed |
| 06:31.24 | ogge_ | it's supposed to be called /dev/psaux (maybe you think i speak strange about linux now, but hey i'm a newbie) |
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| 06:31.38 | peterS | ogge_: that's for a PS/2 mouse, yeah. continue.. |
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| 06:31.56 | ogge_ | but /dev/psaux gives no output |
| 06:31.58 | peterS | Caelum: that'd do it |
| 06:32.07 | peterS | ogge_: what kernel? |
| 06:32.08 | helix | Caelum: heh, pretty logical |
| 06:32.10 | thu | ogge_: modprobe psaux |
| 06:32.18 | ogge_ | dunno, probably 2.6.something |
| 06:32.20 | thu | ogge_: modprobe mousedev |
| 06:32.21 | peterS | thu: ummm. what kernel does *that* work on? 2.2? |
| 06:32.27 | ogge_ | okey |
| 06:32.32 | peterS | thu: psaux hasn't existed for quite awhile |
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| 06:32.40 | peterS | ogge_: use 'uname -r' to find out the kernel version |
| 06:32.49 | peterS | ogge_: if it is 2.6 as you say, then thu is half right |
| 06:32.55 | Caelum | helix: wasn't easy to find though, unfortunately. Was a patch that didn't get uncluded until 2.6.5, before that, you had to use acpi=off, which in my case and others makes the system completely unbootable |
| 06:32.55 | ogge_ | heh, 2.4.something |
| 06:33.02 | ogge_ | 2.4.26 |
| 06:33.09 | thu | peterS: heh, dunno |
| 06:33.15 | thu | what's wrong with 2.2? :) |
| 06:33.24 | peterS | ogge_: ok, is this a debian kernel image, or something you compiled yourself, or what? |
| 06:33.30 | ogge_ | debian |
| 06:33.34 | helix | Caelum: oh, eek |
| 06:33.38 | thu | ogge_: modprobe mousedev |
| 06:33.41 | ogge_ | just installed the latest blablabla of sarge |
| 06:33.43 | peterS | ogge_: then 'uname -r' would tell you something more than 2.4.26, it would say 2.4.26-1-k7 or something |
| 06:33.47 | peterS | thu: no |
| 06:33.58 | ogge_ | well, actually something happened |
| 06:34.01 | helix | thu: good thinking |
| 06:34.07 | ogge_ | but i dont know what |
| 06:34.09 | ogge_ | heh |
| 06:34.10 | peterS | ogge_: "something happened"? |
| 06:34.29 | ogge_ | yeah |
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| 06:34.42 | peterS | did it hatch? |
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| 06:34.48 | ogge_ | it said PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
| 06:34.59 | peterS | ogge_: ok, remove that module again. 'rmmod mousedev' |
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| 06:35.02 | ogge_ | and then nothing more. no it didnt hang up if thats what you mean |
| 06:35.27 | thu | use /dev/input/mice? |
| 06:35.34 | peterS | ogge_: I want to verify that you really are using a debian kernel image. what is the exact output of 'uname -r' ? |
| 06:35.38 | peterS | thu: no |
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| 06:35.51 | ogge_ | well, wait |
| 06:36.04 | ogge_ | 2.4.26-1-386 |
| 06:36.10 | peterS | ogge_: ok, you are |
| 06:36.15 | ogge_ | i'm running sarge |
| 06:36.16 | ogge_ | unstable |
| 06:36.23 | helix | sarge isn't unstable |
| 06:36.28 | ogge_ | well it says |
| 06:36.29 | helix | sarge is testing |
| 06:36.32 | Pathway_ | Anybody have experiance with a MacOS X machine authenticating against a Linux box? |
| 06:36.35 | peterS | ogge_: /dev/psaux really should be working for you. the 2.4.26 debian kernels have the psaux device compiled in. |
| 06:36.47 | ogge_ | first it says sarge then after that unstable, dont ask me it just says :) |
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| 06:37.06 | ogge_ | peterS: well, if i run a dpkg-reconfigure psaux, it works |
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| 06:37.13 | peterS | ogge_: ok, for the purpose of this discussion, sarge and unstable are equivalent (: |
| 06:37.30 | ogge_ | peterS: or, heh, it gives output when i cat /dev/psaux |
| 06:37.39 | peterS | ogge_: 'dpkg-reconfigure psaux'? that makes zero sense |
| 06:37.44 | ogge_ | peterS: but when i do something else it just "resets" |
| 06:37.50 | ogge_ | peterS: err sorry |
| 06:37.52 | ogge_ | peterS: xD |
| 06:37.58 | ogge_ | peterS: discover i meant |
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| 06:38.02 | ogge_ | peterS: just woke up ;) |
| 06:38.07 | peterS | ogge_: well, even discover shouldn't be needed here |
| 06:38.17 | peterS | ogge_: anyway, so your mouse works if you 'cat /dev/psaux' |
| 06:38.23 | Caelum | /dev/input/mice is better of course, can plug in as many usb/ps2/whatever mice as you want and control one cursor without using a gpm repeater |
| 06:38.27 | ogge_ | peterS: yeah i've done so |
| 06:38.29 | peterS | Caelum: umm |
| 06:38.36 | peterS | Caelum: you're giving bad advice |
| 06:38.41 | peterS | ogge_: what application isn't working? the X server? |
| 06:38.43 | ogge_ | peterS: before the blabla-reconfbalblabl discover it doesn't work. after, it is. :) |
| 06:38.56 | ogge_ | well, x starts up and so on, but i cant move the mouse |
| 06:38.58 | gsmoker2 | hi @ll, i was here and one people said me a command before DISPLAY=:0 x0rfbserver, i will start x0rfbserver with ssh |
| 06:39.03 | peterS | ogge_: that is strange indeed |
| 06:39.05 | gsmoker2 | can anyone know this comand? |
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| 06:39.09 | ogge_ | the xfconfigblabla is set to /dev/psaux |
| 06:39.10 | gsmoker2 | it was anything with xauth |
| 06:39.21 | peterS | ogge_: I wonder if discover is resetting the psaux port, or something, and the X server is too dumb to do that |
| 06:39.21 | ogge_ | and imps2 as mouse something protocol or whatever |
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| 06:39.32 | gsmoker2 | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
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| 06:39.40 | ogge_ | peterS: hehe well, dont look at me :) |
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| 06:39.48 | gsmoker2 | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 06:39.49 | peterS | ogge_: ok. one more question: do you have the 'gpm' package installed? |
| 06:40.01 | peterS | ogge_: if you do, it could be interfering with the mouse port. if you don't, it won't (: |
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| 06:40.21 | ogge_ | peterS: well, if you mean that something should happen when i write gpm, it doesn't. |
| 06:40.21 | szamos | hi |
| 06:40.24 | Caelum | ogge_: sometimes gpm and x can't share /dev/psaux, so you'd need to make gpm repeat (in /etc/gpm.conf) and use /dev/gpmdata for X |
| 06:40.52 | peterS | Caelum: ummm. you're the same guy telling him to use /dev/input/mice. I think maybe your advice should be taken with a grain of salt |
| 06:41.06 | peterS | ogge_: you can find out for sure with "dpkg -l gpm" |
| 06:41.15 | peterS | ogge_: it'll either show the version installed, or say that it's not |
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| 06:41.41 | gsmoker2 | no one know how i can start a x apps with ssh??? |
| 06:41.46 | ogge_ | peterS: it says un (tab here) gpm |
| 06:41.52 | Guerin | !spell persay |
| 06:41.52 | dpkg | possible spellings for persay: per say per-say |
| 06:41.55 | ogge_ | peterS: and no version number is stated |
| 06:41.57 | Guerin | per se |
| 06:42.03 | Mayhem | gsmoker2, did you connect with ssh -X? |
| 06:42.06 | krystal2 | is there udev in woody ? |
| 06:42.08 | peterS | ogge_: right, so you don't have it. fine. |
| 06:42.09 | ogge_ | peterS: and no description |
| 06:42.15 | Caelum | gsmoker2: use ssh -X, if it doesn't work, use ssh -vvv -X to debug |
| 06:42.16 | ogge_ | peterS: okay, great. |
| 06:42.23 | peterS | ogge_: what model of mouse have you got? |
| 06:42.27 | Guerin | krystal2: udev is to do with 2.6 kernels, I believe - so in stock woody, no |
| 06:42.32 | peterS | ogge_: imps2 is correct for a lot of mice, but not all |
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| 06:42.47 | peterS | ogge_: actually ... I lied. the protocol name is imps/2, with a slash in it |
| 06:42.49 | krystal2 | Guerin: and in sarge ? |
| 06:43.12 | krystal2 | with 2.6 (of course) |
| 06:43.12 | Guerin | krystal2: I dunno. I think sarge has 2.6 kernels |
| 06:43.17 | ogge_ | peterS: yeah, i know, i used it last time i used linux (believe it or not, i actually got linux running by myself once xD) |
| 06:43.54 | ogge_ | peterS: you dont reckon i should fetch a new kernel or something and it will be fixed? |
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| 06:44.12 | krystal2 | i tried gentoo, it's a real pain about hardware :-/ |
| 06:44.14 | peterS | ogge_: it's always possible that this is a kernel problem, but I *really* don't think so in your case |
| 06:44.15 | ogge_ | peterS: (i duno) :) |
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| 06:44.23 | ogge_ | peterS: okay, nice :) |
| 06:44.29 | ogge_ | peterS: user problem perhaps ? xD |
| 06:44.29 | Caelum | ogge_: see if there are any messages about the mouse in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 06:44.35 | ogge_ | yeah okay |
| 06:44.35 | Guerin | krystal2: you're on the quest for a low-latency music system, aren't you? |
| 06:44.52 | gsmoker2 | Caelum it dont work: Fatal error: Can't open display "" |
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| 06:45.06 | iav | is there a .deb for plastik somewhere? when i try to compile it, it can't find X include headers. if there's no .deb, is there an easy way to install the headers? |
| 06:45.07 | gsmoker2 | i have make debuging |
| 06:45.21 | Guerin | iav: it's in kde3.2 by default |
| 06:45.28 | peterS | ogge_: I mentioned imps/2 just now because I noticed that you called it "imps2" earlier |
| 06:45.32 | Caelum | gsmoker2: it will tell you with -vvv if X negotiation fails |
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| 06:45.53 | Caelum | gsmoker2: in which case, you need to make sure ForwardX11 is enabled in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server and that server has the xauth program |
| 06:45.55 | peterS | ogge_: so can you confirm that you really do have imps/2 in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file? |
| 06:46.00 | ogge_ | peterS: yeah |
| 06:46.15 | ogge_ | peterS: the log says that stuff load nicely |
| 06:46.18 | iav | Guerin: nifty, thanks |
| 06:46.22 | gsmoker2 | caluem it have worked with one command |
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| 06:46.26 | Cancel_ | in sarge installation notes i've read that I can type "If you want a" |
| 06:46.27 | Cancel_ | 2.6 kernel, type "linux26" instead. |
| 06:46.28 | krystal2 | Guerin: yes ! that's it :) |
| 06:46.32 | peterS | ogge_: this is an easy point of confusion because in gpm, which I asked about earlier, the same protocol *is* called "imps2" without the /. (: |
| 06:46.36 | Cancel_ | but it doesnt work! |
| 06:46.39 | ogge_ | peterS: it also says that it loads a mouse called configured mouse first, and then later it loads a mouse called generic mouse |
| 06:46.54 | ogge_ | peterS: okey :) |
| 06:47.01 | peterS | ogge_: well, generic mouse will be the /dev/input/mice thing that Caelum is so incorrectly fond of |
| 06:47.11 | gsmoker2 | Caelum, do you know the command before DISPLAY=:0 x0rfbserver |
| 06:47.13 | gsmoker2 | this has worked |
| 06:47.15 | peterS | ogge_: the configured mouse will be /dev/psaux and imps/2, as you said |
| 06:47.28 | ogge_ | peterS: both gets configured to psaux and imps/2 |
| 06:47.37 | ogge_ | peterS: is it supposed to be like that ? |
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| 06:47.41 | Guerin | krystal2: not having any luck, though? |
| 06:47.43 | gsmoker2 | it was a command to make auth on xauth for this commands |
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| 06:48.08 | peterS | ogge_: both are? that's odd. if I were you I'd edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and comment out the 'Generic Mouse' reference in the 'ServerLayout' section |
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| 06:48.24 | peterS | ogge_: that will have the effect of disabling that mouse, leaving only 'Configured Mouse' |
| 06:48.54 | peterS | ogge_: the "ServerLayout" section ends up, by default, at the bottom of the XF86Config-4 file |
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| 06:49.05 | rue_mohr | @find xmms |
| 06:49.10 | ogge_ | peterS: errr okay |
| 06:49.21 | rue_mohr | bah |
| 06:49.25 | Guerin | rue_mohr: just use apt-cache search |
| 06:49.31 | peterS | ogge_: it may be that the X server is confusing itself by trying to open /dev/psaux twice |
| 06:49.31 | rue_mohr | apt find xmms |
| 06:49.34 | rue_mohr | :-) |
| 06:49.35 | ogge_ | peterS: btw, is the old xf86config used at all? |
| 06:49.38 | gsmoker2 | Caelum? xauth is installed on the server! |
| 06:49.38 | ogge_ | peterS: okay |
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| 06:49.45 | krystal2 | Guerin: i just installed gentoo, and after i'll try audio stuff. But this was a real pain installing it. Far more pain than debian (of course) and freebsd. |
| 06:49.46 | peterS | ogge_: hardly anyone uses xf86config anymore, no |
| 06:50.00 | ogge_ | peterS: yeah it loads first conf. mouse then keyboard then generic mouse |
| 06:50.01 | rue_mohr | ok, but what verion is that xmms? |
| 06:50.02 | Guerin | krystal2: that sucks |
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| 06:50.13 | ogge_ | peterS: and all are set the same.. should i reset the generic mouse to something else? |
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| 06:50.19 | peterS | ogge_: if that's the case, then disabling one of the two mice in XF86Config-4 might fix things for you |
| 06:50.19 | rue_mohr | my system tell s me its up to date, but its not... |
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| 06:50.25 | Guerin | krystal2: do you know anything about shorten - shn - the lossless audio compression codec? |
| 06:50.27 | mick_laptop | anyone here use bastille ? |
| 06:50.29 | skorpfox | Guerin: whats the location of the bootup log? when I bootup all those messages fly by, I want to go back and read through them. where is that file? |
| 06:50.32 | peterS | ogge_: like I said, just comment out the "Generic Mouse" line in the "ServerFlags" section |
| 06:50.40 | peterS | ogge_: I mean "ServerLayout" section |
| 06:50.41 | Guerin | skorpfox: dmesg |
| 06:50.45 | mick_laptop | i'd like to know if it is possible to move configs from one comp to another |
| 06:50.45 | krystal2 | Guerin: nope, sorry. |
| 06:51.08 | Guerin | skorpfox: I think |
| 06:51.08 | ogge_ | peterS: okay. will do, w8, testing again :) |
| 06:51.08 | Guerin | krystal2: hrm, curious. Do you use flac, or what? |
| 06:51.08 | rue_mohr | TO THE SOUCE Batman! |
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| 06:51.14 | skorpfox | guerin: nah, thats a compiled version of it, without the errors |
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| 06:51.33 | ogge_ | peterS: I LOVE YOU! HAHAHAH |
| 06:51.38 | ogge_ | peterS: it worked :D:D:D:D |
| 06:51.43 | peterS | ogge_: cool! |
| 06:51.47 | krystal2 | Guerin: nope, i'm rather into midi (sequencer) and softsynth : that's why i need low latency setup. |
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| 06:51.50 | Caelum | gsmoker2: is ForwardX11 enabled in the sshd on the server? have you looked at the debug output with ssh -vvv -X? |
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| 06:52.00 | Guerin | krystal2: ah |
| 06:52.04 | ogge_ | peterS: plus the delay before starting kde that was before disappeared |
| 06:52.11 | ogge_ | peterS: you just made my day :D |
| 06:52.16 | nxrble | offhand, does anyone know the line command to format a hdd? I ran qtparted and after all is said and done, it says that 2.5G of crap is still there |
| 06:52.21 | krystal2 | Guerin: for the moment i don't use compression at all :) |
| 06:52.21 | peterS | ogge_: I'm not too surprised at that last part either |
| 06:52.36 | krystal2 | just raw wav |
| 06:52.39 | Guerin | peterS: go on, paint another penguin on the side of your case... |
| 06:52.39 | ogge_ | peterS: well im off configuring kde, but thanks a lot :D |
| 06:52.44 | ogge_ | see you guys later |
| 06:52.44 | peterS | ogge_: np |
| 06:52.46 | peterS | Guerin: hehe |
| 06:52.48 | ailas | huh, to much people here.. hi:) |
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| 06:53.17 | nxrble | "format c:" isn't quite working ;] |
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| 06:53.55 | gsmoker2 | hm i ssee nothing about ForwardX11 in the outpout @ Caelum |
| 06:54.24 | Caelum | gsmoker2: no, you're supposed to look for ForwardX11 in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server |
| 06:54.36 | Caelum | gsmoker2: in the output, you're supposed to look for X stuff in general |
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| 06:55.29 | gsmoker2 | hum i have found the command |
| 06:55.32 | xerophyte | Is there anyway i can use the pop for gmail.com |
| 06:55.38 | gsmoker2 | xauth merge .Xauthority |
| 06:55.50 | gsmoker2 | then DISPLAY=:0 x0rfbserver |
| 06:55.55 | gsmoker2 | but it dont work more? |
| 06:55.59 | gsmoker2 | yesterday it worked |
| 06:56.12 | nxrble | gmail isn't pop friendly...yet |
| 06:56.30 | nxrble | if you're tlaking pop3? |
| 06:56.32 | Guerin | xerophyte: they're planning it for the future, but I don't know wh9y you'd want to |
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| 06:56.43 | gsmoker2 | nxrble gmail is available? |
| 06:56.52 | nxrble | yes, by invite and/or ebay |
| 06:57.16 | Guerin | it's pretty nice, but it's JAFEA |
| 06:57.32 | Guerin | s/E/W/ at your discretion |
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| 06:58.44 | nxrble | how do I type a yellow-name msg? |
| 06:58.45 | gsmoker2 | Caelum do you know what wrong? |
| 06:59.47 | gsmoker2 | Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key |
| 06:59.50 | gsmoker2 | what this mean? |
| 06:59.55 | myren | i want to execute every last bastard at opera |
| 06:59.58 | Guerin | nxrble: wtf is a yellow name message? |
| 07:00.05 | myren | for not doing ANY XmlHttpRequerst stuff |
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| 07:00.18 | Guerin | myren: opera is pretty bad, but come on |
| 07:00.31 | nxrble | Guerin: like the msg you typed just now, it was yellow on my screen |
| 07:00.45 | myren | i love it to death EXCEPT for its refusal to use anything at all "non standard" |
| 07:00.51 | Guerin | nxrble: if it's got your nick in it, it's highlighted for you |
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| 07:01.00 | gsmoker2 | nxrble i think you mean hightlighting ;) |
| 07:01.13 | nxrble | gsmoker2 if you go to google and type in "gmail invite" you can score a gmail account I'll bet |
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| 07:01.23 | Guerin | !tell gsmoker2 about mit-magic-cookie |
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| 07:01.25 | nxrble | yes, just figuring it out, thanks guys |
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| 07:01.38 | gsmoker2 | ah nice |
| 07:01.39 | gsmoker2 | i try it |
| 07:02.13 | nxrble | I got a gmail for $5.50 on ebay, and later that day I got an email invite for free. so I got two for 5 bucks I guess |
| 07:02.53 | gsmoker2 | hm you have still the free account? |
| 07:02.54 | Guerin | nxrble: I got one, I just wanna know when I'm gonna get more invited of my own, so I can get some of my moron friends off h0tmail |
| 07:03.02 | gsmoker2 | im very interesting about that |
| 07:03.10 | Qp`r5 | you get em pretty much the first day |
| 07:03.22 | Qp`r5 | as soon as you send / receive a combination of ~5-10 emails it seems |
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| 07:03.33 | nxrble | gsmoker2 no, I gave it to the wife |
| 07:03.34 | peterS | I tell ya |
| 07:03.34 | Guerin | Qp`r5: interesting |
| 07:03.47 | peterS | open source types scrambling and panting about every new thing google offers |
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| 07:04.00 | peterS | it reminds me of the love-fest in the popular computer press when Windows 95 came out |
| 07:04.04 | nxrble | it's easy to get em though, just go look. some sites want you to do an essay or just drop an email to them and ask |
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| 07:04.12 | Qp`r5 | but omgz its a GB :P |
| 07:04.15 | zakame | ehlo |
| 07:04.16 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, it's a bit silly |
| 07:04.18 | peterS | (and not only in the press, there were people lined up at midnight to buy it) |
| 07:04.29 | mtnman | exim + mutt beats out gmail imho |
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| 07:04.55 | gsmoker2 | ok nxrble, im from switzerland and dont want to buy to the us ;) |
| 07:05.00 | nxrble | ommg lollers i gotz the gmale |
| 07:05.02 | gsmoker2 | a free account would not bad |
| 07:05.03 | Qp`r5 | agreed, i just use it as a backup archive just in case my disks all fail simultaneously ... my mail is precious |
| 07:05.04 | zakame | i've got a minor prob: gnome2 and xfce4 panel icons are cropped, any ideas? |
| 07:05.05 | mick_laptop | www.google-is-too-creepy.com |
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| 07:05.19 | Guerin | even though I run my own mail server, I keep a bunch of free/unattached addresses for different things |
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| 07:05.24 | Guerin | privilege separation, y'know |
| 07:05.29 | peterS | Qp`r5: you don't mind someone like google.com having access to all your email? |
| 07:05.29 | mick_laptop | zakame: cropped? |
| 07:05.33 | helix | Guerin: indeed |
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| 07:05.39 | gsmoker2 | Guerin: what domain? |
| 07:05.40 | helix | Guerin: i.e. web registrations |
| 07:05.42 | peterS | Qp`r5: not that they'd ever, I dunno, search it or something |
| 07:05.52 | Guerin | gsmoker2: that would be telling, now wouldn't it |
| 07:05.59 | fooz | helix |
| 07:06.02 | peterS | Qp`r5: because they are no good at searching through mountains of data, after all |
| 07:06.02 | helix | oh god |
| 07:06.05 | helix | fooz is here |
| 07:06.06 | fooz | yes? |
| 07:06.06 | helix | afk |
| 07:06.08 | mick_laptop | peterS: thats the point, they DO |
| 07:06.12 | nxrble | gsmoker2 - try it-go type in "gmail invite" and you'll get a buttload of blogs and stuff with those keywords, people are giving them out still |
| 07:06.14 | fooz | i'm always here |
| 07:06.28 | Guerin | helix: yeah, mailing lists, news headlines, etc |
| 07:06.36 | fooz | helix, you're not very nice |
| 07:06.47 | zakame | mick_laptop: yep, each icon has been cropped to about 80% its size... it seems to only affect panel plugins... |
| 07:06.48 | mick_laptop | helix: you work? go to school? or work from home? |
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| 07:07.09 | helix | mick_laptop: if i wanted to talk about that, it would be on my website |
| 07:07.10 | fooz | hehe, i have power over helix |
| 07:07.13 | peterS | mick_laptop: you don't catch sarcasm very well. or, I don't broadcast it very well. not sure which |
| 07:07.16 | cef | hrm.. reminds me. I should actually log into my gmail account |
| 07:07.23 | Guerin | fooz: hah, that's a good one |
| 07:07.28 | mick_laptop | helix: ok, sorry |
| 07:07.48 | Guerin | helix: is the debian-women list up yet? |
| 07:07.51 | zakame | any ideas??? |
| 07:07.53 | helix | Guerin: yeah |
| 07:07.58 | fooz | debian-meanpeople |
| 07:08.04 | Guerin | helix: that was fast |
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| 07:08.08 | mick_laptop | i was just wondering cuz your up at the same times as me :) |
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| 07:08.12 | helix | Guerin: indeed, it only took about two weeks |
| 07:08.35 | peterS | Guerin: never underestimate the power of someone like helix to cut through debian bureaucracy |
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| 07:08.44 | fooz | anyone running Debian in their car? |
| 07:08.47 | Guerin | fuck me |
| 07:08.51 | fooz | Guerin, no thanks |
| 07:08.53 | helix | peterS: fwiw, pasc created -jobs as well |
| 07:08.55 | Guerin | they beheaded that korean hostage in iraq |
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| 07:09.07 | Guerin | this country is going to go apeshit |
| 07:09.07 | peterS | helix: wow. maybe I've got that power too |
| 07:09.08 | fooz | Guerin, they beheaded the american one too |
| 07:09.19 | peterS | helix: or maybe it's a happy coincidence |
| 07:09.23 | Guerin | fooz: I remember - but I'm not in america, I'm in korea |
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| 07:09.28 | fooz | ah |
| 07:09.39 | fooz | Guerin, i hope korea does go apeshit. maybe they'll clean up the mess the americans made |
| 07:09.41 | helix | peterS: well, he did it at the risk of being flamed to death since people actually did disagree quite a bit about it |
| 07:09.43 | mick_laptop | Guerin: ever thought about it... if the US negotiated with terrorists... would 9/11 really have happened? |
| 07:09.51 | helix | peterS: but i guess this went on behind the scenes |
| 07:10.07 | peterS | helix: weird. there wasn't any flamage attached to the bug |
| 07:10.13 | peterS | I wonder why not, if it was that hot of a topic |
| 07:10.15 | fooz | wonder if there are any single board computers that can survive Las Vegas heat |
| 07:10.19 | Guerin | mick_laptop: you don't want to get me started on this topic |
| 07:10.24 | mick_laptop | :) |
| 07:10.25 | helix | peterS: umm, people often flame behind the scenes |
| 07:10.36 | mick_laptop | just food for though Guerin |
| 07:10.49 | peterS | helix: it's still weird though. why would they in a case like this? |
| 07:10.54 | nxrble | got a question: when I type in cfdisk /dev/hda, I get "FATAL ERROR cannot read disk" |
| 07:11.07 | helix | peterS: shrug, i don't know (or care) |
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| 07:11.57 | Guerin | mick_laptop: I've eaten plenty of that - another time, another place, sure |
| 07:12.15 | mick_laptop | ok |
| 07:12.20 | peterS | helix: so that plugged-in-ness is wasted on you, as you don't care about these issues anyway (: oh well |
| 07:12.24 | fooz | yeh, only politics allowed in #debian are discussing who is a troll or not |
| 07:12.26 | madcheez | Anyone know what command I could use to cut a text file in half from a certain line and make a new file? |
| 07:12.29 | helix | peterS: anyway, it's pretty insulting of you to think my list got created because of my political prowess or whatever and not merit or importance |
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| 07:12.50 | mick_laptop | it seems i'm either hitting soft spots with people today or i'm taking things the wrong way |
| 07:12.56 | helix | peterS: -jobs is not my business; i assume TPTB in debian are capable of making fair choices. |
| 07:13.13 | nxrble | got a question: when I type in cfdisk /dev/hda, I get "FATAL ERROR cannot read disk" is there another command I can use? |
| 07:13.14 | peterS | helix: I call 'em as I see 'em. if people have a BTS to discuss things on, and they don't use it, I can't use private information shared with you and not with me when looking at these things |
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| 07:13.51 | helix | peterS: you shouldn't unfairly assume things either though |
| 07:14.04 | fooz | apt-get install bureaucracy |
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| 07:14.11 | sciboy | Hi, i need advice for looking after and having fun with my pet rock? |
| 07:14.18 | peterS | helix: you think it's unfair to assume that a bug which has sat dormant for 2 and a half months is, in fact, being ignored? |
| 07:14.27 | peterS | helix: I don't see where you get that. it seems like a very reasonable assumption, to me |
| 07:14.28 | helix | peterS: yes |
| 07:14.32 | mick_laptop | trolls suck |
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| 07:14.49 | zakame | hello im back |
| 07:14.56 | fooz | what's with the klining? |
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| 07:15.08 | helix | peterS: you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes of things; do you think the alt-tab bug is being ignored too? no maintainers have followed up, that i've seen. |
| 07:15.11 | bob2 | zoof! |
| 07:15.15 | bob2 | fooz: spambots |
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| 07:15.22 | fooz | ok |
| 07:15.22 | peterS | fooz: it's a spambot running on pwned machines all over the place |
| 07:15.24 | sciboy | Anyone here have a pet rock? |
| 07:15.26 | madcheez | Anyone know how to 'cat' a txt file from a certain line? I dont think cat has this feature. |
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| 07:15.32 | peterS | fooz: freenode staff wrote an anti-bot that detects and kills this one whenever it pops up |
| 07:15.44 | fooz | i want to play with it! is it packaged? |
| 07:15.48 | peterS | helix: the alt-tab bug isn't 2 and a half months old |
| 07:15.49 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 07:16.03 | mick_laptop | madcheez: dono if you want cat |
| 07:16.08 | peterS | helix: if it were, and hadn't been fixed yet, and hadn't been followed up, then yes, I would assume it was being ignored |
| 07:16.29 | madcheez | mick_laptop: what? |
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| 07:17.04 | helix | peterS: no, but it's a little more serious than the creations of a -jobs list |
| 07:17.10 | mick_laptop | madcheez: vim, :##, /grep |
| 07:17.12 | sanmarcos | peter |
| 07:17.16 | peterS | helix: I'm well aware that you are let in on stuff that I am not, and thus you have better information than I do |
| 07:17.32 | peterS | helix: I do not need you waving this in my face in order to tell me that I must not hold opinions because I am ignorant |
| 07:17.35 | mick_laptop | or copy from line x to line y > to a file |
| 07:17.35 | peterS | helix: thanks anyway |
| 07:17.37 | helix | peterS: i'm mostly sick of you thinking i get some kind of bullshit special treatment and that my ideas cannot stand on their own merit |
| 07:17.40 | sanmarcos | peter samuelson?!? |
| 07:17.41 | mick_laptop | then cat it |
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| 07:18.02 | madcheez | mick_laptop: can I do that in nano? |
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| 07:18.13 | mick_laptop | ummm, not sure |
| 07:18.17 | mick_laptop | i don't use nano |
| 07:18.27 | fooz | helix, people are afraid of you. because you're mean :( |
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| 07:18.44 | fooz | pretty dumb spambot if you ask me |
| 07:18.48 | mick_laptop | fooz: agreed :/ |
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| 07:18.54 | peterS | fooz: /topic, if you use irssi (: |
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| 07:19.00 | Kats | haha Winzip k-lined |
| 07:19.12 | fooz | my system is bootable |
| 07:19.16 | peterS | sanmarcos: eh? |
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| 07:19.39 | bob2 | helix: WNBT |
| 07:19.48 | helix | fuck him |
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| 07:20.33 | peterS | helix: you make two separate accusations, and I think only one has any basis |
| 07:20.41 | sanmarcos | rob |
| 07:20.45 | bob2 | peterS: dude, if you think -women is a bad idea, you should have complained on the bug log. |
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| 07:20.54 | peterS | bob2: I don't, and didn't |
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| 07:21.12 | Tweak | how can I check my glibc versoin? |
| 07:21.13 | bob2 | peterS: then? a listmaster thought it had merit, and created it. |
| 07:21.16 | sanmarcos | rob weir?!?! |
| 07:21.21 | helix | umm |
| 07:21.22 | bob2 | sanmarcos: stop it. |
| 07:21.32 | bob2 | Tweak: dpkg -l libc6| tail -n1 |
| 07:21.36 | Tweak | thanks |
| 07:21.38 | bob2 | Tweak: please don't fuck with your libc. |
| 07:21.46 | Tweak | no just want to know the version |
