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| 00:00.08 | TMM | Jimmymaniac, well... it might have, especially if you have done some heavy work on the filesystem... |
| 00:00.09 | Wyzard | dli: Did you install the firmware file? (If not, you'll get an error message on your console when you try to "ifconfig eth1 up") |
| 00:00.11 | FieldySnuts | well, at least a non-ms network admin. |
| 00:00.21 | TMM | Jimmymaniac, still worth a try though, just make sure to backup everything you can't afford to loose |
| 00:00.27 | oGs^Teus | what tools do i need to compile a kernel? i've just got the base system |
| 00:00.29 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 00:00.33 | Jimmymaniac | ah, ok, let's try that, but in the case that the file is lost forever, is there a way to rebuild it? |
| 00:00.34 | oGs^Teus | 'make', what else |
| 00:00.42 | ac1d | hello, does anyone here have any experience with the orinoco_cs drivers for the Lucent WaveLAN? |
| 00:00.42 | sysice_ | what are the requirements to become a MSNA |
| 00:00.46 | sysice_ | drag and drop? |
| 00:00.49 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: I'm the "admin" for my home LAN, 8 boxes... I've never been an admin for a large, "real" network |
| 00:00.51 | TMM | oGs^Teus, gcc, make, binutils, nasm libncurses5-dev |
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| 00:00.52 | lazarus | Wyzard: your cracked box (due to such ignorance) will be used to attack US :( |
| 00:00.55 | dli | Wyzard: yeah, I found the firmware, but don't know how to use it. .arm file, where's the docs for it? |
| 00:00.55 | oGs^Teus | ok thx |
| 00:00.57 | TMM | oGs^Teus, that should do it, I guess |
| 00:01.06 | oGs^Teus | modutils too? |
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| 00:01.15 | TMM | Jimmymaniac, do a reinstall of every package on your system... might work |
| 00:01.22 | Jimmymaniac | ... |
| 00:01.22 | dli | Wyzard: I got teql0: unknown hardware address 65535 |
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| 00:01.31 | Jimmymaniac | ouch... |
| 00:01.36 | lazarus | Wyzard: home machines are certainly targetted, check your logs for the past hour |
| 00:01.38 | paawelek | hello there |
| 00:01.42 | Nanobot2k | anyone have any idea why im getting http://home.nanobot2k.org/compile_err this error while compiling a .so file? |
| 00:01.44 | Aeudian | Hey guys is there a way to speed up the boot time on debian? it takes almost 4 minutes to boot debian on my system and i have a fast processor |
| 00:01.50 | TMM | Jimmymaniac, just reinstall if that doesn't work... I wouldn't trust it anymore :) and choose ext3 this time ;) |
| 00:01.53 | Wyzard | lazarus: I run a firewall and I keep the box patched. I'm not too concerned about someone feeding me a fake DHCP lease to make me use incorrect DNS servers. |
| 00:01.56 | lazarus | Aeudian: --purge packages |
| 00:02.08 | FieldySnuts | heh. naive. |
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| 00:02.12 | mateja | Aeudian, start less services at boot time |
| 00:02.22 | FieldySnuts | those damn crackers are really something else sometimes |
| 00:02.41 | paawelek | since my soundcard is not soudblaster what should I do to make it mix multiple pcms from different sources? |
| 00:02.42 | mateja | daemons, rather, services are from winblows |
| 00:02.46 | Jimmymaniac | just for the record, is there any way to rebuild the /var/lib/dpkg/available file without a reinstall? |
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| 00:03.02 | mateja | Jimmymaniac, i think you just do apt-get update |
| 00:03.03 | lazarus | Jimmymaniac: "dselect update" |
| 00:03.13 | dondelelcaro | !available |
| 00:03.13 | dpkg | available is, like, run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 00:03.16 | Wyzard | FieldySnuts: If an attacker has the ability to forge a Comcast DHCP lease, I have bigger problems than whether my DNS fowarders depend on it |
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| 00:03.35 | sysice_ | What do i enter for 'relayhost' in the postfix config file? |
| 00:03.37 | FieldySnuts | oh well, enjoy getting broken into some day. |
| 00:03.39 | joaquinz | hello, how can i configure crontab to run a process every one hour? |
| 00:03.40 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: although, presumably, you'd just not reset your /etc/resolv.conf on a new lease... |
| 00:03.41 | Aeudian | lazarus: i dont have a purge command would the file i need be called localepurge? |
| 00:03.44 | TMM | Jimmymaniac, there is probably a lot more barfed than just those files |
| 00:03.52 | lazarus | Aeudian: dpkg --purge foo |
| 00:03.56 | Wyzard | dondelelcaro: The DHCP client does that automatically |
| 00:03.57 | Alster | Aeudian, get rid of daemons you do not need, get rid of any errors. check the syslog for timeouts and unwanted daemons |
| 00:04.05 | TMM | Jimmymaniac, try to rebuild your filesystem, if that doesn't work, reinstall it... you'll thank me later ;) |
| 00:04.07 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: yeah, but it doens't have to. |
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| 00:04.21 | Jimmymaniac | Ok, gonna try that first, thanks :) |
| 00:04.26 | TMM | Jimmymaniac, it's going to suck greatly if you find out in 2 weeks that some libs are barfed too... I know, I've been there ;) |
| 00:04.33 | lazarus | joaquinz: man crontab |
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| 00:04.45 | dondelelcaro | TMM: that's not a big deal. |
| 00:04.59 | TMM | dondelelcaro, no, it isn't a big deal, but it is frustrating |
| 00:04.59 | dondelelcaro | TMM: you can trivially reinstall libs et al. You can even check to see if they've been munged. |
| 00:05.00 | sysice_ | lazarus: does postfix just receive mail, or can you send mail with it installed as well |
| 00:05.09 | TMM | dondelelcaro, how can you check that? |
| 00:05.13 | joaquinz | lazarus :S it says something about @hourly |
| 00:05.18 | Aeudian | lazarus: what is foo? says i dont have that |
| 00:05.22 | Aeudian | alster: how? |
| 00:05.26 | joaquinz | but i dont know how to use it... can u give an example line? |
| 00:05.30 | lazarus | sysice_: it is an MTA, see /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/Mail-Administrator-HOWTO.html |
| 00:05.32 | dondelelcaro | TMM: check the md5sums versus a freshly unpacked version. |
| 00:05.39 | dondelelcaro | TMM: alternatively, /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 00:05.45 | lazarus | Aeudian: foo is a metastatic variable |
| 00:05.50 | jbr | Aeudian: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3092.html |
| 00:05.55 | joh | there is a filesize limit for tar?! |
| 00:06.01 | lazarus | !+dict metastatic variable |
| 00:06.05 | dpkg | could not find definition for metastatic variable |
| 00:06.06 | dondelelcaro | joh: no. |
| 00:06.11 | Wyzard | joh: I don't think so... at least not GNU tar |
| 00:06.14 | dondelelcaro | lazarus: you mean metasyntactic |
| 00:06.15 | nort0n | how can i set permissions on the usb devices? A regular user cant use my digitalcamera. |
| 00:06.22 | dondelelcaro | !foo |
| 00:06.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here |
| 00:06.37 | Wyzard | joh: Smaller tar programs might -- I know the tar embedded in busybox has a length limit on pathnames, for example |
| 00:06.37 | mateja | nort0n, update your fstab with the users option |
| 00:06.40 | lazarus | !+dict metasyntactic variable |
| 00:06.45 | dpkg | Dictionary 'metasyntactic variable' (2 shown; 19 total): foo, bar, zot: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland. ;; See also Commonwealth Hackish for discussion of numerous metasyntactic variables found in Great Britain and the Commonwealth.. |
| 00:06.48 | Alster | Aeudian, what dpkg just said was for you |
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| 00:07.04 | zoid | anyone know of an apt-get source for php5? |
| 00:07.10 | joh | Wyzard: well, I just created a 4G archive and it died with "File size limit exceeded". Perhaps that's the filesystem (FAT32) |
| 00:07.17 | nort0n | mateja: but i dont have an entry for my usbfs there, its done automatically |
| 00:07.21 | zoid | or when it may happen to appear in unstable |
| 00:07.28 | Wyzard | joh: Yes, FAT32 doesn't support files bigger than 2GB |
| 00:07.37 | Aeudian | okay..but how do i know what i need and dont need? |
| 00:07.41 | joh | Wyzard: ah... |
| 00:07.49 | mateja | nort0n, hold on, there's another special file where you do that, i'm looking |
| 00:07.51 | Wyzard | joh: Use a real filesystem :-) |
| 00:07.59 | sysice_ | OK, i set up postfix, but when i try to email it from an outside location it says: 554 Relay Access Denied |
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| 00:08.05 | Wyzard | joh: or use "split" |
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| 00:09.20 | mateja | nort0n, in /etc/mtab |
| 00:09.22 | Alster | Aeudian, read the manuals of the daemons you are running on system startup. maybe just run tasksel which will allow you to easily choose what you need (and whyt you don't need). |
| 00:09.35 | Alster | s/whyt/what |
| 00:09.48 | mateja | nort0n, i have a line that says 'usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0' |
| 00:09.57 | mateja | nort0n, you have that? |
| 00:10.12 | nort0n | yep, exactly like that |
| 00:11.19 | mateja | nort0n, how do you mount the camera as root? |
| 00:11.23 | nvz | I am about screwed here as far as X is concerned.. this laptop has a big package confucktion now and the mouse died so I cant use X on any of the desktops.. heh |
| 00:12.37 | FieldySnuts | nice language |
| 00:12.46 | nvz | thanks |
| 00:13.04 | nvz | package errors are frustrating |
| 00:13.05 | sysice_ | what does it mean when i get the error "Relay Access Denied" when mailing my machine that i just put postfix on |
| 00:13.24 | nvz | the packages system doesnt seem to have any way to heal itself if a -f dont work you are screwed |
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| 00:13.42 | FieldySnuts | user error |
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| 00:14.01 | Wyzard | sysice_: It means the mail daemon believes that the mail you sent it needs to be passed along to another mailserver (instead of delivered to a local user) and the configuration tells it not to do that |
| 00:14.04 | Alster | please replace user and press a key |
| 00:14.21 | nvz | well how was I suppose to know that x deps of bomberclone were going to fail with broken pipes |
| 00:14.32 | Wyzard | sysice_: You don't want to relay for "just anyone" on the net because spammers will route their mail through you |
| 00:14.39 | Alster | apt-listbugs |
| 00:14.40 | Wyzard | to make themselves harder to trace |
| 00:14.40 | sysice_ | Wyzard: ah.. so do i just put 127.0.0.1 for "relayhost" ? |
| 00:14.45 | nvz | believe me I changed my mind about those packages.. heh |
| 00:14.55 | Wyzard | sysice_: That should work... then only mail from localhost will be accepted for relaying |
| 00:14.56 | nvz | Alster: I have that on all the systems but this one |
| 00:15.04 | Alster | see ;) |
| 00:15.16 | sysice_ | Wyzard: ok, that didnt work |
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| 00:15.23 | nvz | well not on my woody box either |
| 00:15.41 | Wyzard | sysice_: You need to restart the mail daemon and send it a new message... you did both those things that fast? |
| 00:15.45 | Alster | nvz, i was damn happy when i "discovered" it |
| 00:15.48 | lucas | sysice_: or your local subnet, ie, 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 00:16.01 | nvz | i dont see any way to just tell it fuckit I dont want any of those packages.. heh.. |
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| 00:17.00 | sysice_ | Wyzard: yeah, i restarted it, still saying relay access denied |
| 00:17.24 | godzirra | How do you stop an nfs mount that isn't connecting? I'm trying to do an NFS mount and its just sitting there, and when I tryr and kill the pid, it doesnt work... |
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| 00:17.40 | Wyzard | sysice_: If you're sending the mail from another system on your network (not from the mailserver box itself) then you need to add your local network address too, as lucas said |
| 00:17.46 | lazarus | godzirra: look at "hard" vs "soft mounting, in the man page |
| 00:18.05 | sysice_ | Wyzard: no, im sending the mail from outside (yahoo) |
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| 00:18.18 | Wyzard | sysice_: That's why it doesn't work, then |
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| 00:18.43 | nvz | maybe my friend aptitude will help me |
| 00:18.44 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 00:18.49 | Wyzard | sysice_: Why are you sending mail from yahoo to your mailserver box if the final destination of the mail isn't an account on the mailserver box? |
| 00:18.50 | sysice_ | Wyzard: ok, so what do i put for relayhost to accept mail from yahoo |
| 00:19.05 | sysice_ | Wyzard: it is |
| 00:19.08 | Aeudian | Anyone know why the mkdir /nt/c command doesnt work for me? |
| 00:19.12 | eeyore- | still no fix for xlib's alt-tab problem huh? :) there's a workaround i just discovered, though (no downgrade) |
| 00:19.16 | Wyzard | sysice_: Then relaying isn't needed |
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| 00:19.34 | Wyzard | sysice_: You *do not* want to relay mail from Yahoo, or anything else on the public Internet |
| 00:19.34 | lucas | eeyore-: tell meee! |
| 00:19.36 | sysice_ | Wyzard: Oh, i got confused by the error message "Relay Access Denied" |
| 00:19.47 | housetier | Aeudian, whats the error message? |
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| 00:19.57 | Alster | nvz have you already checked all the submissions on the BTS? so far that's almost always helped me to at least find a temp. work around |
| 00:20.05 | Wyzard | sysice_: The problem is that your mailserver doesn't realize that the mail's recipient corresponds to a local account, and therefore thinks it has to relay the mail to somewhere else |
| 00:20.22 | sysice_ | Wyzard: oh, ok |
| 00:20.32 | Wyzard | sysice_: Look for a setting for "local domains" or something to that effect |
| 00:20.36 | godzirra | lazarus: thanks |
| 00:20.41 | lazarus | godzirra: np |
| 00:20.51 | eeyore- | lucas: alt-tab, press <esc> repeatedly --- this will toggle windows |
| 00:21.07 | nvz | Alster: the bugs seem to be in the post-install config scripts of about 16 diff x-related packages.. if it comes to that i'll look it up.. but thats too much shit to look up when I just want to remove em and forget about their bugs |
| 00:21.10 | lazarus | eeyore-: lucas: /topic |
| 00:21.13 | sysice_ | Wyzard: i see.. mydestination, with localhost entered |
| 00:21.44 | Wyzard | sysice_: I don't know what that setting does... you have to read your mail daemon's documentation |
| 00:21.55 | Aeudian | housetier: i got it to work when i did it just "mkdir /nt then mkdir /c" |
| 00:21.55 | Alster | nvz, i see. but it's probably too late to remove them, right? |
| 00:21.56 | sysice_ | Wyzard: http://nemesis.yi.org/pub/main.cf.txt is the config file |
| 00:22.04 | sysice_ | Wyzard: i looked at the man pages...well, ill try again |
| 00:22.09 | lucas | eeyore-: well mine kind of works anyway, i just have to hit a key to give the new window focus |
| 00:22.12 | cafuego | sysice_: Just append your domain to $mydestination |
| 00:22.15 | eeyore- | lazarus: that's what i was reading before. |
| 00:22.16 | Wyzard | sysice_: In general terms, though, what you're looking for is how to tell the mailserver which domains it's receiving mail for |
| 00:22.26 | nvz | Alster: I dont know aptitude seems to have more than just super cow power.. so I am giving this a whirl |
| 00:22.29 | cafuego | sysice_: So you het localhost, domain.com |
| 00:22.35 | eeyore- | lazarus: but, thank you for pointing it out to me again :) you'll see that none of the messages mention alt-tab + <esc> |
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| 00:22.57 | sysice_ | cafuego: oh ok |
| 00:23.00 | Aeudian | I'm working on mounting my NTFS partition and im going off the guide here http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/NT_File.shtml but my problem is when i get to the part that says "mount /nt/c" i get an error saying mount: "mount point /nt/c does not exist" |
| 00:23.02 | Alster | nvz, yeah, actually it has super bull power since dist-upgrade ;) |
| 00:23.18 | Wyzard | Aeudian: mkdir |
| 00:23.33 | Wyzard | Aeudian: or mount it on a different directory that does exist, such as /mnt |
| 00:23.39 | Wyzard | Aeudian: or a subdirectory of /mnt |
| 00:24.01 | cafuego | sysice_: if you want to get more advances, with a alrge vhosts etup, you could add those domains into SQL or LDAP. |
| 00:24.02 | nvz | Alster: if you just open aptitude hit g g then wait and see if it works, if not, just press g once and see the list of remaining offending packages and it might just let me purge em all |
| 00:24.09 | sysice_ | cafuego: so if im sending the mail to josh@nemesis.yi.org, i would put "mydestination = localhost, nemesis.yi.org" ? |
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| 00:24.53 | Alster | nvz, ...miiigth. good luck anyways |
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| 00:25.13 | cafuego | sysice_: probably just "mydestination = localhost, yi.org" |
| 00:25.16 | Aeudian | wyzard: ah it worked thanks, is there a way i can make my ntfs partition always there without typing mount commands? |
| 00:25.27 | cafuego | sysice_: It depends on if nemesis is a hostname or a subdomain. |
| 00:25.33 | lazarus | Aeudian: man 5 fstab |
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| 00:25.38 | sysice_ | cafuego: well, it worked :) |
| 00:25.40 | Wyzard | Aeudian: That's what /etc/fstab is for... any entries in /etc/fstab which aren't marked "noauto" are mounted automatically at boot time |
| 00:26.02 | mothas | Don't mean to be a pest, Wyzard, but aptitude says that kdm, gdm, & xdm are required for the gnome, kde, and X environments.. |
| 00:26.10 | Aeudian | Wyzard: ah k havent rebooted so didnt check |
| 00:26.37 | cafuego | sysice_: ... and then of course there's the setup where you accept mail for a domain, but then forward it to another (internal) server. |
| 00:26.44 | Aeudian | wyzard: how do i remove a directory through konsole? |
| 00:27.06 | Wyzard | mothas: "gnome" is a metapackage which depends on "gnome-desktop-envirnoment" and some other "typical" packages... it doesn't contain any files on its own and exists solely for its dependencies, so it's safe to uninstall. Same goes for the "kde" package. |
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| 00:27.15 | Wyzard | Aeudian: rmdir |
| 00:27.16 | cafuego | sysice_: I suppose next step for you would be to add virus and spam scanning to it :-) |
| 00:27.30 | mothas | Wyzard: OK - here goes. |
| 00:27.32 | lazarus | mothas: you don't need *any* of those dummy pacakges |
| 00:27.41 | sysice_ | cafuego: yeah...well, now i want to get sending outgoing mail to work |
| 00:27.58 | zeier | I want to run a script which is located on a vfat partition. When I try to run it, I get "scriptname /bin/sh: bad interpreter: permission denied". It has the permission 775, and is owned by the user who tries to run it. |
| 00:28.08 | cafuego | sysice_: Just locally or remotely as well, with TLS? |
| 00:28.16 | gleffler | You need to mount it with the 'exec' option zeier |
| 00:28.20 | gleffler | vfat is mounted noexec by default. |
| 00:28.23 | Wyzard | lazarus: They're useful for getting newly-created packages installed during upgrades |
| 00:28.36 | sysice_ | cafuego: remotely..i think |
| 00:28.39 | zeier | it IS mounted with the exec option |
| 00:28.50 | lazarus | Wyzard: and then a curse to everyone in #debian who has to try supporting the ppl, sigh |
| 00:28.57 | cafuego | sysice_: Then you'll want to install postfix-tls and set up a self-signed certificate. |
| 00:29.00 | sysice_ | cafuego: yeah, with tls |
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| 00:29.20 | sysice_ | cafuego: ok |
| 00:29.25 | Wyzard | sysice_: For mail coming from your local LAN, add the LAN's network address to the "mynetworks" line |
| 00:29.28 | Alster | zeier, have you tried invoking it using "sh SCRIPTNAME".sh"? |
| 00:29.40 | cafuego | sysice_: (both are trivial, there's a perl script for that, /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl) |
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| 00:30.26 | cafuego | sysice_: as root, /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl -newca; /usr/lib/ssl/misc/CA.pl -newreq-nodes |
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| 00:30.34 | zeier | sh scriptname seems to work. Why is this? |
| 00:30.45 | Wyzard | lazarus: I use debfoster and I'd much rather keeperize one top-level metapackage than a bunch of individual application packages... well worth answering the occasional question about it in #debian IMO :-) |
| 00:30.49 | Alster | please ask a guru, not me |
| 00:31.00 | cafuego | sysice_: The first makes your CA certificate, the second one creates the server certificate and signs it with your CA key. |
| 00:31.01 | sysice_ | cafuego: that files is nonexistant here |
| 00:31.08 | sysice_ | file* |
| 00:31.27 | sysice_ | cafuego: wait, no its not, im just dumb. |
| 00:31.31 | Alster | zeier, i only know this helps sometimes, i don't actually know why. |
| 00:31.37 | cafuego | sysice_: it's on the openssl package (on testing) |
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| 00:31.48 | Den | zeier: the script does not need exec rights if its being run by another program |
| 00:32.09 | overflow | How can I Install java plugin on epiphany |
| 00:32.12 | Den | zeier: just need's reading rights |
| 00:32.37 | lazarus | overflow: what is epiphany? |
| 00:32.43 | cafuego | sysice_: Then you will also want sasl2-bin and set up saslauthd to use 'pam' or 'shadow' for authentication in /etc/default/saslauthd and /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf |
| 00:32.45 | Tezkah | gnome browser, lazarus |
| 00:32.52 | mothas | What do I need to configure to change my preferences on automatically installed programs? I'm in some kind of 'edit this file' mode. |
| 00:32.52 | lazarus | Tezkah: ah |
| 00:32.55 | zeier | that makes sense |
| 00:32.56 | Wyzard | Den: He was getting a "bad interpreter" error though, trying to run /bin/sh via the script mechanism |
| 00:32.58 | Tezkah | kind of like Konquerer, but its based on mozilla |
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| 00:33.33 | sysice_ | cafuego: ok, cool, thanks for your help |
| 00:33.35 | Den | Wyzard: oh good point, i guess i dont know then |
| 00:33.36 | Tezkah | I like Firefox on any OS, really |
| 00:33.42 | cafuego | sysice_: And add permit_sasl_authenticated to your postfix relay rules. |
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| 00:33.54 | cafuego | sysice_: Want my main.cf for reference? |
| 00:34.02 | Wyzard | I use Galeon... which is very much like Epiphany, but supports hierarchial organization for bookmarks |
| 00:34.28 | cafuego | sysice_: I can give you master.cf as well, if you want amavis virus/spam scanning. |
| 00:34.51 | zeier | I have to give you additional information: I try to run a script (on my ext2 partition) which exports a var, and starts another script, which is located on the vfat partition. |
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| 00:35.57 | Wyzard | zeier: vfat doesn't have permissions so they're simulated using a "umask" parameter that you specify when mounting... what permissions did you use for your vfat filesystem? |
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| 00:36.04 | Aeudian | Question: may seem like a little thing but is there way that i can make linux start with the num lock on? instead of always off its annoying when your password is mostly numbers hehe |
| 00:36.07 | Wyzard | zeier: It could be that the script on the vfat partition doesn't have execute permission |
| 00:36.19 | Wyzard | Aeudian: That's something to set in your BIOS |
| 00:36.25 | cafuego | sysice_: ... ? |
| 00:36.26 | lazarus | Aeudian: that's what those keys above qwerty are for ;) |
| 00:36.44 | Aeudian | wyzard: then why does my num lock start with windows? |
| 00:36.44 | zeier | umask=0002 |
| 00:36.59 | Aeudian | lazarus: i forget to do it sometimes and ...hehe |
| 00:37.20 | zeier | the script on the vfat partition has rights 775 |
| 00:37.37 | Wyzard | Aeudian: It *can* be controlled by software, and Windows probably does because most people want it on and don't know how to use their BIOS setup, but the BIOS is the best place to do it |
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| 00:38.23 | Aeudian | kk |
| 00:38.26 | mentor | setleds? |
| 00:38.30 | Den | Wyzard, Aeudian: i think you can get X or your login manager to turn it on |
| 00:40.19 | Alster | num lock on boot time: http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/zdv/zriinfo/linux/faq/Linux-FAQ-7.html#ss7.10 |
| 00:40.20 | Alster | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadidnum=180272 |
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| 00:40.51 | lokemoney | what is the newest version of debian? that is not too unstable? |
| 00:41.09 | Den | lokemoney: testing |
| 00:41.20 | lokemoney | Den, yes |
| 00:41.38 | lokemoney | Den, is it sarge? or is there a newer version? |
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| 00:41.54 | Gnea | lokemoney: why don't you just read the website? |
| 00:42.21 | lokemoney | Gnea, cause i like to chat |
| 00:42.29 | Den | lokemoney: sarge still == Debian testing |
| 00:42.31 | Wyzard | lokemoney: woody is the current "stable" release... sarge is the current "testing" release, which is fairly stable (except I think gnome is broken right now) and will eventually become the next stable release |
| 00:42.36 | lazarus | lokemoney: woody is th4e current stable,sarge is the current testing (no securityy) and sid is unnstable, always will be |
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| 00:43.04 | lokemoney | lazarus so is sid hard to use? |
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| 00:43.20 | Den | lokemoney: nope just breaks some times |
| 00:43.52 | lokemoney | Den, what part of it usually breaks? |
| 00:43.52 | Wyzard | lokemoney: Things break on occasion, usually not major but once in a while it'll be something that interferes with your normal use of your system for a day or two |
| 00:43.59 | overflow | so, noone uses epiphany? |
| 00:44.08 | Gnea | lokemoney: granted, that's what irc is for, but the way it WORKS is that you go and READ first, then ask questions... or did someone forget to teach you that? :P |
| 00:44.13 | Den | lokemoney: any part of it thats why its called unstable |
| 00:44.26 | lokemoney | and does sid have a netinst like sarge? |
| 00:44.36 | Regalo-cuentas-g | I give counts of gmail... pleas msg |
| 00:44.41 | Wyzard | lokemoney: Right now Alt-Tab doesn't work in X in unstable, for example. Most problems are more minor; I remember one point where the "split" program would crash. |
| 00:44.43 | lokemoney | Den, ok, imma give sid a try |
| 00:44.45 | Alster | overflow, better use firefox, it's more mature |
| 00:44.51 | lazarus | lokemoney: "hard" is not the real issue |
| 00:44.56 | lazarus | lokemoney: NO! |
| 00:44.59 | lazarus | lokemoney: wait |
| 00:45.07 | lokemoney | lazarus whats up? |
| 00:45.11 | Gnea | heh, what part of is usually breaks... that's like asking where the drop of water is gonna hit first when it rains next |
| 00:45.15 | dendrite | lokemoney: You need to understand how the packaging system works first. |
| 00:45.25 | Wyzard | lokemoney: As I said to someone else yesterday, sid is for people who know what they're doing, and for people who don't mind "learning by necessity" once in a while |
| 00:45.33 | Aeudian | Wyzard: BTW KDE Control Center: Peripherals: Keyboard: NumbLock On When KDE Starts. You can add it there just found it |
| 00:45.33 | overflow | Alster: epiphany is more light |
| 00:45.45 | lazarus | lokemoney: if you've been in this channel a few days, and read the /topic, you'll see that sid was *unbootable* due to a single package being broken ... unless you've very *debian*-fluent, sid is not wise |
| 00:45.50 | Wyzard | lokemoney: i.e. when something breaks, you can either wait it out, or learn how to fix it |
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| 00:46.01 | Alster | overflow, not when you install java ;) |
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| 00:46.21 | Den | Wyzard: also for ppl who dont mind having to reinstall every once in a while if they cant boo there system anymore due to module-init-tools :( |
| 00:46.26 | lazarus | lokemoney: yuo really do need to be very fluent in how to fix a realllllllllllly broken machine, on youor own, if you can't get online, for examlpe |
| 00:46.30 | dendrite | lokemoney: Actually, when you run sid, you should be prepard to fix stuff and send the fixes in to the maintainer. |
| 00:46.31 | Den | boot* |
| 00:46.37 | lokemoney | Wyzard i am willing to take the time to learn |
| 00:46.45 | dendrite | lokemoney: Check out BTS. |
| 00:46.49 | overflow | Alster: neither firefox :) |
| 00:46.55 | Wyzard | Den: You don't need to reinstall for that... just boot a rescue CD (Debian install, or Knoppix), mount and chroot in, and install the fixed package |
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| 00:47.08 | Wyzard | Den: I installed this sid system 3.5 years ago and haven't reinstalled since |
| 00:47.18 | lokemoney | lazarus, im gonna read up on it, i think i can handle it.. |
| 00:47.22 | Alster | overflow, nor anything, yup. |
| 00:47.31 | lokemoney | lazarus we will see... |
| 00:47.35 | Den | Wyzard: i installed it 2 years ago and this is about to be the first time |
| 00:47.53 | Wyzard | Den: If you haven't reinstalled yet, don't break that record -- you don't need to. :-) |
| 00:48.20 | dendrite | Den: Why do you feel the need to reinstall? |
| 00:48.26 | Den | Wyzard: im not too hot with chroot though, could you talk me through it? |
| 00:48.34 | dendrite | Den: Oh, I know, so you can beta test the sarge installer? =) |
| 00:48.46 | Den | dendrite: because last night i was told it was the only fix |
| 00:49.02 | dendrite | Den: Ah. What's b0rken? Boot issue? |
| 00:49.06 | troubled | cafuego: you around? |
| 00:49.13 | Wyzard | Den: boot Debian rescue CD; mount /dev/hda1 /mnt; chroot /mnt; dpkg -i <fixed module-init-tools>.deb |
| 00:49.18 | yellowshark | is there an easy way to have dpkg fix itself? I keep getting a seg fault every time I run apt |
| 00:49.27 | Den | dendrite: yep module-init |
| 00:49.51 | dendrite | Den: The Debian rescue CD is CD # 1... |
| 00:50.01 | lazarus | lokemoney: one big hiint, ,if you decide to go for it ... lurk in here for a few hours after !katie to see what problems come up, *before* you do your daily upgrade |
| 00:50.05 | lazarus | !katie |
| 00:50.06 | dpkg | katie is probably who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. |
| 00:50.19 | dendrite | yellowshark: I believe there is an option in dselect to rebuild package lists -- that may do it. |
| 00:50.28 | Den | Wyzard: its that easy!!! cool |
| 00:50.34 | troubled | anyone here tried wlan-ng with a dhcp server? Cant seem to get dhcp daemon to give an IP to wlan0 clients |
| 00:50.59 | yellowshark | I'm getting "Segmenation faulty Tree... 50%" when I try to apt-get something |
| 00:51.31 | lokemoney | lazarus !katie? |
| 00:51.34 | dendrite | yellowshark: Yeah, go ahead and run dselect, and update the packages list. Or something like that. It should be clear from within dselect. |
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| 00:51.50 | lazarus | lokemoney: 2000utc |
| 00:52.00 | lazarus | dendrite: 4 |
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| 00:52.14 | lazarus | Fri Jun 25 00:52:14 UTC 2004 |
| 00:52.21 | lazarus | Thu Jun 24 20:52:21 EDT 2004 |
| 00:52.22 | Wyzard | Den: Actually, I'd probably do it using a Knoppix CD since that automatically sets up networking at boot time, making it easy to download the fixed package... but the idea is the same |
| 00:52.25 | dendrite | lazarus: Yeah, I always have to remember whether it's 4 or 5 vis a vis daylight savings... ;-) |
| 00:52.25 | lokemoney | lazarus, you lost me, first with !katie then 2000utc? |
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| 00:52.56 | dendrite | lokemoney: Katie is the electronic lady that moves stuff into the download sections. |
| 00:52.58 | lazarus | lokemoney: "!katie" is an irc jargon, 2000 utc is the time it was meant to refer to |
| 00:53.09 | Den | Wyzard: i was going to use knoppix anyway ;) didnt think about the networking its just its closer to hand |
| 00:53.15 | lazarus | lokemoney: see the next line from me |
| 00:53.30 | lazarus | hmmm |
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| 00:53.33 | lazarus | Fri Jun 25 00:53:33 UTC 2004 |
| 00:53.43 | Wyzard | lokemoney: katie is the daemon which installs new packages in the Debian archive each day (as dpkg tells you when you say "!katie")... "2000utc" is 8pm in Greenwich, England |
| 00:53.47 | troubled | nm... |
| 00:53.49 | troubled | cafuego: nm |
| 00:53.50 | lokemoney | lazarus, basically sid is tough to use. |
| 00:53.51 | gleffler | !katie |
| 00:53.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, katie is who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. |
| 00:53.54 | gleffler | oh. |
| 00:54.11 | vladkao | why 19:52 ? :) |
| 00:54.23 | dendrite | lokemoney: Sid is tough to use until you understand what you're doing. That's why READING is key. |
| 00:54.29 | lazarus | lokemoney: if you define it that way, yes ... "usage" is basically the same as any other program, ,but "administrtation" of the system, that you might consider harder i guess,yes |
| 00:54.33 | Wyzard | lokemoney: It's not tough to use once you know what you're doing. I've been running it for 3.5 years. Just be aware that there are occasional problems which might sometimes interfere with your use of it. |
| 00:54.37 | BlackJudas[Ballz | Good Hugs, Good Love and GOOD NIGHT!! |
| 00:55.00 | lazarus | ll"unstable (aka "sid") is NOT for beginners, that's a slogan round ehre that is rather reasonable |
| 00:55.15 | lazarus | lokemoney: see ^^ |
| 00:55.15 | lokemoney | Dendrite, point taken, i will read up on sid, and then decide |
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| 00:55.36 | lokemoney | lazarus ok |
| 00:55.39 | Den | lokemoney: have you used debian before? |
| 00:55.39 | dendrite | lokemoney: Reading up is a great way to sort this stuff out -- that effort will be well worth it. :-) |
| 00:55.48 | lazarus | vladkao: to avoid hitting a cron.daily maybe? |
| 00:55.49 | lokemoney | Den, im on sarge |
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| 00:56.16 | lazarus | lokemoney: one thing to know about sarge .. no security ... watch dpkg |
| 00:56.21 | lazarus | !testing security |
| 00:56.21 | lokemoney | Den, ive used redhat, fedora, and debian/sarge and like debian the best |
| 00:56.22 | dpkg | from memory, testing security is less secure than sid, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-0102/msg00159.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0102/msg00635.html or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-0102/msg00723.html |
| 00:56.23 | Den | ok cool, i was going to say that debian in general is hard to get used 2 |
| 00:56.46 | Den | lokemoney: debian is the best ;) |
| 00:56.54 | lokemoney | i love debian |
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| 00:57.12 | lokemoney | just want to stay current, and see if im behind |
| 00:57.12 | dendrite | lokemoney: How long have you been using linux, and what percent of your usage is linux? |
| 00:57.26 | lokemoney | dendrite, about a year |
| 00:57.44 | dendrite | lokemoney: So you should be reasonably familiar with the RPM package management system... |
| 00:57.52 | lokemoney | debdrite, in the beginning not a lot of useage, but now i dont use windows at all |
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| 00:58.01 | lokemoney | dendrite, yep |
| 00:58.05 | dendrite | lokemoney: The main thing you need to get before you can really get around in Debian, especially sid, is the packaging system. |
| 00:58.17 | j4cbo | which isn't that hard at all |
| 00:58.25 | lokemoney | dendrite, as in apt or aptitude? |
| 00:58.25 | j4cbo | especially after dealing with rpm hell |
| 00:58.45 | dendrite | lokemoney: When you get that, you'll have a grip on how debian configures stuff, and how to control what versions of what packages are installed. |