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| 00:00.10 | JoshTriplett | xenohugs: Alternatively, use something like Mozilla's "Remember this password". |
| 00:00.27 | JoshTriplett | xenohugs: That uses strong encryption, too. |
| 00:00.27 | xenohugs | I'd rather not use some apps proprietary stuff for this. gpg might do the trick though. |
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| 00:00.46 | xenohugs | gnupg - GNU privacy guard - a free PGP replacement <- izzat it? |
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| 00:00.53 | FieldySnuts | huge gonads |
| 00:00.57 | JoshTriplett | xenohugs: Yes. |
| 00:00.59 | xenohugs | woot |
| 00:01.03 | JoshTriplett | xenohugs: If you don't want to rely on a public/private key, you can use gpg -c. |
| 00:01.07 | Dougmeister | actually, is there a bootable installer image for woody or sarge that will work with grub? |
| 00:01.17 | JoshTriplett | xenohugs: That does gpg encryption with a password. |
| 00:01.24 | JoshTriplett | xenohugs: symmetric. |
| 00:01.47 | Dougmeister | i was combing through the ftp site but nothing i tried seemed to work |
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| 00:02.01 | JoshTriplett | Dougmeister: The Sarge installer uses GRUB by default. |
| 00:02.03 | xenohugs | JoshTrip, roger that. I'll read up on man pages and all that yak. |
| 00:02.20 | JoshTriplett | xenohugs: Alternatively, you could use an encrypted filesystem. |
| 00:02.33 | xenohugs | JoshTrip, nah, I think that's gonna be overkill for this case. |
| 00:02.35 | Dougmeister | i dont have a cdrom, the floppies dont work, and i need the de600 module for eth0 to come up |
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| 00:02.51 | JoshTriplett | xenohugs: Some people actually have their entire home directory encrypted, and mounted with a passphrase on login. |
| 00:02.58 | JoshTriplett | xenohugs: Yes, probably. |
| 00:03.03 | xenohugs | Josh, hm! |
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| 00:03.12 | xenohugs | JoshTriplett: Can you point me to a guide/mini-howto/whatever for that? |
| 00:03.19 | JoshTriplett | xenohugs: s/encrypted filesystem./encrypted filesystem. :)/ |
| 00:03.34 | JoshTriplett | xenohugs: Hang on, I'll check Google. (Or you could...) |
| 00:03.37 | Dougmeister | loopback encrypted filesystems are cool |
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| 00:04.17 | sd159 | anyone seen this error with jigdo 7.1: sed: -e expression #1, char 28: unterminated `s' command |
| 00:04.28 | Rawplayer | nope |
| 00:04.46 | sd159 | I'm trying to restart an interrupted download of the sid dvd |
| 00:04.50 | JoshTriplett | xenohugs: If this helps, you want something that works with "PAM". |
| 00:04.50 | Dougmeister | an s command is a substitition, like s/this/that |
| 00:05.17 | Dougmeister | i know in vi its like :g/this//s/that/g |
| 00:05.21 | sd159 | but jigdo-lite has a section of code that uses sed to parse the Image section of the jigdo file and it failes |
| 00:05.33 | sd159 | fails |
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| 00:06.22 | sd159 | There's an error in here somewhere.... image="`echo $l | sed -e 's/^Filename= *//; s%['\\''\"$\\\`|&/[]%g'`";; |
| 00:06.23 | MarGarina | Dougmeister: :s/this/that/g is enough |
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| 00:07.32 | Dougmeister | anybody remember weird bugs upgrading to a 2.2 kernel in potato? |
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| 00:08.59 | Dougmeister | i got my slink system upgraded to potato, but its crashing when i go from kernel 2.0.34 to 2.2.19 |
| 00:09.12 | JoshTriplett | xenohugs: http://www.artima.com/forums/flat.jsp?forum=138&thread=9762 |
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| 00:09.28 | xenohugs | JoshT, ooer. |
| 00:09.33 | JoshTriplett | xenohugs: Like you said, it's overkill for your situation, but if you're interested... |
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| 00:10.44 | xenohugs | JoshT, thanks. |
| 00:11.26 | JoeK | I've got some good tips here tonight so I'm back for more... I want to mount a WinXP NFS partition on to a dir on my machine. I can mount it and I see the connection open on my XP box, but if I ls in the directory it hangs. Any thoughts what might be hapening? |
| 00:11.32 | simonrvn | Dougmeister: upgrade to woody next ;) |
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| 00:11.39 | grendel | hello everyone.. |
| 00:11.44 | JoshTriplett | JoeK: NFS or NTFS? |
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| 00:11.50 | JoeK | That is NFS as in network file system |
| 00:11.52 | Dougmeister | i remember with my netwinder when i changed it over from redhat 4 to debian woody there was a major problem with the filesystem, required real trickery to do it, otherwise you had a brick |
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| 00:12.08 | JoshTriplett | JoeK: Didn't know XP could do that. |
| 00:12.11 | mentor | Services For Unix. |
| 00:12.22 | JoshTriplett | JoeK: Especially since you said "NFS partition". |
| 00:12.34 | JoeK | the partition was a red herring... |
| 00:12.48 | JoshTriplett | JoeK: OK. |
| 00:12.53 | JoeK | just testing ... (too much beer + sys admin = sloppy description of problem...) |
| 00:13.10 | JoshTriplett | JoeK: Do other forms of networked access work? |
| 00:13.13 | Dougmeister | i could try woody , with the 2.0.34 kernel. what the heck, nothing to lose, /dev/hda1 is still at slink and i'm working on a experimental partition |
| 00:13.15 | JoeK | yep |
| 00:13.42 | JoshTriplett | JoeK: Could be a bug in the XP NFS implementation, or in the interaction between the two. |
| 00:14.00 | grendel | can anyone point me to a tutorial on configuring linux to print through a windows machine ? I mean through samba. |
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| 00:14.23 | JoeK | I'll look in to it some more, was just wondering if there were any common problems... thanks anyway! |
| 00:14.23 | MarGarina | grendel: www.tldp.org -> howtos -> samba howto |
| 00:14.37 | grendel | MarGarina, ok, thanks |
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| 00:14.50 | Dougmeister | wow thats hard, i just bought one of those little ethernet printer server gizmos |
| 00:14.55 | Serbitar | grendel: its prety brainless to get cupsys to print to smb via the webadmin configurator. |
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| 00:15.53 | Dougmeister | getting a tcpip print server was one of the smartest things i ever did |
| 00:16.01 | g4lt | WinXP NFS?! |
| 00:16.01 | g4lt | no such animal |
| 00:16.05 | grendel | Serbitar, the thing is I have never even used cups either, so this is a new territory for me.. |
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| 00:16.51 | Serbitar | grendel: after i installed cupsys (for the first time) it took me about 10 minutes tops to read some stuff in/usr/share/doc and get a trestpage out the printer |
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| 00:17.22 | grendel | Serbitar, cool... I'm installing cups as we speak... |
| 00:17.31 | Serbitar | :) |
| 00:17.36 | grendel | :) |
| 00:17.46 | JoshTriplett | grendel: What printer do you have? |
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| 00:18.22 | grendel | JoshTriplett, Epson Stylus C64 |
| 00:18.28 | JoshTriplett | Dougmeister: Yeah, I have one as well. |
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| 00:18.56 | michael12345 | any one in here have the pppoe-server working in debian |
| 00:19.03 | Serbitar | has anyone ever managed to use an adsl modem over ethernet? |
| 00:19.12 | Tezkah | uh, what do you mean? |
| 00:19.16 | Dougmeister | hmm it should work |
| 00:19.28 | nikal | My GDM (which seems to be the most recent version in unstable) and if I set a user to be logged in automatically after a specified number of times I get the following behavior: Unless I type in a correct login for another user, i get logged into the autologin user's account.. This surely can't be the intended behavior, can it? And should this be an upstream bug? |
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| 00:19.39 | Brian___ | hello everyone |
| 00:19.50 | Brian___ | I am trying to remove the proxy settings from a computer |
| 00:19.54 | Dougmeister | nikal: that sounds really serious |
| 00:19.54 | Brian___ | where is that stuff stored?? |
| 00:19.54 | Serbitar | well. i mean get an interconnection through it.. my adsl modem/router does a modem mode (this mode is highly disireible) and i was wondering how i could use this |
| 00:21.25 | Dougmeister | nikal: i doubt anybody ever tested heavily using a automatic login,kind of defeats the security features |
| 00:21.37 | JoeK | Serbitar: My ethernet modem is either ethernet over cat5 or modem over usb - is that what you are talking about? |
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| 00:22.19 | nichos | are there any .lit ebook readers for linux? |
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| 00:22.37 | nikal | Dougmeister: it does defeat security, any "attacker" of this bug could simply just wait 30 seconds to get the same effect, but it screams of an underlying bug that could be exploited in other situations. |
| 00:22.53 | Serbitar | JoeK: im not sure ^_^, in usb mode it is just a USB nic and is router.. i gues it would do modem mode like this aswell but my routing box does not have usb |
| 00:23.13 | JoshTriplett | grendel: Once you install CUPS, you should then install foomatic-db-gimp-print. |
| 00:23.31 | grendel | JoshTriplett, what is that for ? |
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| 00:23.43 | Dougmeister | nikal: well local access to the console is insecure, of course, unless its like a netwinder with no floppy or cdrom |
| 00:24.01 | JoshTriplett | grendel: Well, "foomatic" is a general printer configuration system (see linuxprinting.org) and gimp-print is the set of drivers that supports various printers including Epsons. |
| 00:24.21 | grendel | JoshTriplett, ohh cool... thanks :D |
| 00:24.32 | JoshTriplett | grendel: For example, I use foomatic with an HP printer, along with hpijs and hpoj. |
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| 00:24.38 | nikal | Dougmeister: yeah for sure. It's not so much security I'm wondering, it's just damned annoying. When my girlfriend typos her password, she get's logged into my account and has to log back out to try again. |
| 00:24.45 | JoshTriplett | grendel: hpijs : HP :: gimp-print : epson |
| 00:24.53 | grendel | JoshTriplett, yep, I so those packags, and read the info...:D |
| 00:25.10 | ac1d | hello |
| 00:25.14 | Dougmeister | nikal: eek |
| 00:25.27 | Brian___ | does anyone know what file the proxy settings for the internet connection are stored in? |
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| 00:25.36 | ac1d | is there any way to copy all packages installed since the initial installation of debian to a file |
| 00:25.40 | ac1d | ie |
| 00:25.44 | ac1d | a list of all packages |
| 00:25.54 | JoshTriplett | ac1d: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 00:26.14 | Tezkah | dpkg is a mean bot |
| 00:26.15 | dpkg | Tezkah: are you smoking crack? |
| 00:26.15 | Dougmeister | ac1d: you mean a log of all packages _ever_ installed? |
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| 00:26.28 | JoshTriplett | Tezkah: Did it moron you? |
| 00:26.39 | ac1d | Dougmeister, since the initial install (excluding the ones it got during setup) |
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| 00:26.43 | Tezkah | JoshTriplett, nah, whats that? |
| 00:27.02 | Dougmeister | ac1d: just spool the dpkg logfile to some device |
| 00:27.02 | JoshTriplett | Tezkah: Try invalid commands a few times and find out. :) |
| 00:27.09 | marmot | Brian___, aren't proxy settings specifc to the browser your running? Mozilla/FireFox etc have gui configs for proxy |
| 00:27.16 | {emox} | anyone have experience getting a debian 3.0 system setup with scsi drives... |
| 00:27.29 | Dougmeister | ac1d: like ln -s /var/log/dpkg /dev/tapedrive |
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| 00:27.35 | g4lt | {emox} why would anyone do that? |
| 00:27.41 | {emox} | heh :( |
| 00:27.45 | Dougmeister | acid: oops but you get the idea |
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| 00:28.18 | JoeK | Serbitar: So if your box is like mine (an external adsl modem / router) then it has two modes adsl modem (over usb) or adsl router over ethernet. So I do't quite get what you mean when say to use an adsl modem over ethernet... |
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| 00:28.44 | {emox} | g4lt: i have a pretty standard scsi card, and 2 scsi drives, worked fine on mandrake, but im trying to NOT use mandrake anymore, i was reccomended to use debian, and i got the install cd, and the bf2.4 cd, but the partition program wont read my scsi drives during setup |
| 00:28.57 | JoshTriplett | Tezkah: Did you try it? |
| 00:29.02 | g4lt | {emox} what SCSI card? |
| 00:29.12 | Tezkah | ah, I'm bugging him, what are the commands like? ~xxx ? |
| 00:29.16 | Serbitar | JoeK: i dont understand it either. its not particularly well documented ^_^ |
| 00:29.24 | JoshTriplett | Tezkah: /msg dpkg some command |
| 00:29.31 | {emox} | sec |
| 00:29.49 | JoshTriplett | Tezkah: Try things that don't exist. The first couple of times, it will just ask things like "what are you smoking". |
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| 00:29.56 | JoshTriplett | Tezkah: Then it gets meaner. |
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| 00:30.10 | Dougmeister | I bet {emox} has a buggy aic7xxx like i do |
| 00:30.26 | {emox} | g4lt: Iwill initio2935UW |
| 00:30.34 | JoshTriplett | Tezkah: ~ talks to apt; ! talks to dpkg. |
| 00:30.37 | g4lt | Dougmeister you were saying? ;P |
| 00:30.47 | carrett | hey, if i have a dynamic ip dns set up (working fine with webserver) what do i have to do so that mail for user@myserver.mine.nu gets to user's mailbox? |
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| 00:31.03 | Dougmeister | g4lt: bad guess. |
| 00:31.25 | Tezkah | bots are creepy |
| 00:31.31 | Dougmeister | hey actually, thats an adaptec |
| 00:31.43 | JoshTriplett | Tezkah: True, but useful. Plus, it's always fun when someone doesn't know it's a bot. |
| 00:31.49 | {emox} | i figure all i need to do is get a floppy and put the modules on it to use during setup, but i have no idea how to create one of these disks, and its goin to be a pain in the ass seeing as how i dont even have a floppy drive in my server... im gonna have to rip one out of my main box |
| 00:31.50 | JoeK | Serbitar: What is it exactly that you are trying to do? |
| 00:31.58 | Tezkah | JoshTriplett: yeah |
| 00:32.05 | g4lt | {emox} did you load the initio modules for the "configure modules" step? |
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| 00:32.29 | {emox} | eh, it stops me when i get to the 'configure swap partition' |
| 00:32.33 | Dougmeister | {emox} try the adaptec "old aic7xxx" package |
| 00:32.52 | Serbitar | damnit.. this should have been on while i was in swissland |
| 00:32.54 | Serbitar | doh |
| 00:32.56 | {emox} | i dont even think i had the option, but ill go check brb |
| 00:32.57 | Serbitar | sorry wrong chan |
| 00:33.06 | overflow | Hi, could be possible (I guest is it) to make a Debian Woody installation without using the install program? |
| 00:33.11 | Dougmeister | {emox} you gotta compile a kernel to do it |
| 00:33.14 | Tezkah | Serbitar is attacking the swiss! :( |
| 00:33.17 | overflow | Where can I find information about that? |
| 00:33.23 | Dougmeister | {emox} I have one rolled up |
| 00:33.26 | JoshTriplett | Tezkah: Here's a fun one: |
| 00:33.27 | Serbitar | Tezkah: no. the swiss are great :D |
| 00:33.28 | {emox} | :((( |
| 00:33.33 | {emox} | man im gonna be stuck with mandrake forever |
| 00:33.33 | JoshTriplett | !info apt |
| 00:33.36 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section base, is important. Version: 0.5.25 (sid), Packaged size: 946 kB, Installed size: 2892 kB |
| 00:33.37 | apt | dpkg: what are you talking about? |
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| 00:33.41 | g4lt | all your chocolate are belong to us |
| 00:33.44 | sussudio | someone set us up the cuckoo clock. |
| 00:33.50 | {emox} | brb |
| 00:33.56 | Serbitar | heh |
| 00:34.05 | Tezkah | JoshTriplett, shouldn't dpkg talk back, and then end up in an endless loop? |
| 00:34.23 | JoshTriplett | Tezkah: As amusing as that would be, no. |
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| 00:34.26 | JoshTriplett | Tezkah: :) |
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| 00:34.31 | g4lt | sussudio you read _poisioned minds_? |
| 00:34.34 | Tezkah | heheh |
| 00:34.37 | thomas_adam | Serbitar: awww. |
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| 00:35.16 | Dougmeister | I think the aic7xxx broke in kernel 2.4.7 and beyond, but not sure |
| 00:35.32 | overflow | nobody knows? |
| 00:35.41 | sussudio | Serbitar: Christopher Walken, ofcourse. |
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| 00:35.43 | g4lt | s/knows/cares/ |
| 00:35.55 | thomas_adam | overflow: No one cares. |
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| 00:36.05 | g4lt | thomas_adam neener neener |
| 00:36.15 | sussudio | thomas_adam: seen teh game? |
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| 00:36.26 | thomas_adam | g4lt: The men in white coats _again_? |
| 00:36.29 | Serbitar | sussudio: huh? |
| 00:36.33 | overflow | thomas_adam: maybe no one knows |
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| 00:36.45 | g4lt | overflow no, no one cares. |
| 00:36.48 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Francais pas de ganee? |
| 00:36.59 | sussudio | thomas_adam: oui, bonjouuuur monsieeeur |
| 00:37.00 | Tezkah | eau de toilet! |
| 00:37.09 | overflow | thomas_adam, g4lt you r very helpfull |
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| 00:37.45 | g4lt | overflow the help you need isn't available via IRC. try running Eliza a while |
| 00:37.48 | emzed | hello people |
| 00:37.53 | thomas_adam | overflow: You don't help yourself, either. If you have to ask, the chances are you shouldn't be doing it anyway. |
| 00:37.57 | kevin | hi |
| 00:38.08 | emzed | according to you, what is the best pop3 server ? |
| 00:38.11 | thomas_adam | overflow: especially haking distros in that manner. |
| 00:38.29 | JoshTriplett | overflow: It is possible to install Debian without using the installation program. Read about debootstrap. |
| 00:38.34 | Dougmeister | aha! fsck: error in loading shared libraries: fsck: symbol perror, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference |
| 00:38.39 | Dougmeister | thats the problem |
| 00:38.40 | emzed | I heard about cyrus and courier, but I don't know how to choose. This is just to send mail on a lan |
| 00:38.44 | Dougmeister | wehatever that means |
| 00:38.57 | g4lt | emzed coin flips usually work |
| 00:39.03 | alge | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.20 | emox|afk | mkay im back |
| 00:39.24 | JoshTriplett | Dougmeister: It means that your GLIBC is too old for the program you're running, I think. |
| 00:39.47 | emzed | alge: just for me, let's say nearly 1000 mail a day (because of some mailing list) |
| 00:39.58 | emox | it gives me the option to pass additional paramaters to the kernel at boot time, but it doesnt give the format in which to do so, |
| 00:40.13 | emox | i think i need to do aic7xxx=no_reset |
| 00:40.21 | alge | emzed, go with something simple; just for you |
| 00:40.24 | emox | and the image i want to use is bf24 |
| 00:40.29 | emox | how would i type it? |
| 00:40.31 | emzed | g4lt: I didn't understand what you said ... can you be more clear ? :) |
| 00:40.49 | Dougmeister | if you can load modules, use the aic-7xxx old module (not the new one) |
| 00:40.57 | alge | cyrus could be too much...Have you thought about uw-imap? |
| 00:40.58 | emox | doug: i dont know how to type it |
| 00:41.04 | Dougmeister | i have one of those cards |
| 00:41.09 | emox | prompt says boot: |
| 00:41.10 | emox | right |
| 00:41.14 | Dougmeister | in the installer when you load the modules |
| 00:41.20 | g4lt | emzed just flip a coin. hell, it's a better method than most for choosing |
| 00:41.26 | Dougmeister | oh.... it crashes on bootup |
| 00:41.30 | emox | groan |
| 00:41.32 | emox | no |
| 00:41.41 | Dougmeister | ok, you gotta use some other kernel then |
| 00:41.46 | Dougmeister | at least for the install |
| 00:41.49 | emzed | alge: yes, I look for something simple. In fact I have two computer : a gateway and my main computer. I would like to scan for spam my mails on the gateway, then send them to my main computer. If you have a simple way to achieve this, I listen to you :) |
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| 00:41.54 | Dougmeister | then switch later |
| 00:42.04 | alge | emzed- courier, I've heard is simpler than cyrus...but never used it myself. |
| 00:42.06 | Dougmeister | use 2.4.0 or earlier |
| 00:42.11 | kingsley | Is anyone here experienced with Liteon's CD/DVD drive? |
| 00:42.20 | emzed | alge: ok |
| 00:42.24 | emox | doug: i dont think you get what im saying hehe... it gives me the option to pass parameters to the kernel at boot, i know which parameter to use, but i do not know how to type it in |
| 00:42.39 | emox | it says boot: |
| 00:42.42 | emox | usually you just hit enter |
| 00:42.49 | Dougmeister | yeah |
| 00:42.59 | emox | wel it allows me to type in modules |
| 00:43.16 | emox | but im not sure how to type it in so that i can use my image and the parameters |
| 00:43.16 | alge | emzed, that kind of set-up usually has not so much to do with the MUA, more MDA, MTA roles |
| 00:43.25 | Dougmeister | no, if its compiled in it will crash every time i think |
| 00:43.35 | emox | :( am i being confusing hehe, im really not all that sure i know what im talkin about |
| 00:43.37 | Dougmeister | it sucks |
| 00:43.39 | emzed | g4lt: hu ? I don't understand slang, since I'm french ;) |
| 00:43.41 | Dougmeister | i have one of those |
| 00:43.48 | akriel | holy crap i was thinking about d/ling debian since I got another comp and the outher 4 have fbsd i wanted something diffrent but its 8 cd's according to this ftp im at. please tell me I know need debian-30r2-i386-binary-1.iso |
| 00:43.52 | Dougmeister | i have a adaptec 2940UW card |
| 00:44.04 | JoshTriplett | akriel: You don't need all the CDs |
| 00:44.07 | emzed | alge: yes, I tried with postfix, but it doesn't achieve it |
| 00:44.09 | JoshTriplett | akriel: Just get the first one. |
| 00:44.13 | emox | akriel: you just need the 1st cd, and one cd of 'flavor' |
| 00:44.15 | akriel | ok cool |
| 00:44.16 | emzed | it doesn't do the trick |
| 00:44.17 | overflow | JoshTriplett, thomas_adam: Im gonna explain you why I try to do this. Im want to install woody on my laptop (I already did this a lot of times, I have been using debian for 4 or more years). But when the Woody CD loads an specific module it freeze. I can't use the floppy and the CD at the same time, so Im using a livecd distro an mount a remote CD using samba where the Woody CD is. |
| 00:44.24 | Dougmeister | from kernel 2.4.7 on it broke cuz the new driver is broken with it |
| 00:44.29 | akriel | emox, cd of flavor? |
| 00:44.37 | emox | yah |
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| 00:44.44 | emox | vanilla, bf24, compact... etc |
| 00:44.49 | JoshTriplett | overflow PCMCIA module? |
| 00:44.51 | akriel | ok |
| 00:44.51 | thomas_adam | overflow: convoluted. |
| 00:44.52 | emox | you'll probably just want to use vainilla |
| 00:45.00 | emox | so you'll need vanilla cd, and cd 1 |
| 00:45.04 | emox | thats pretty much it |
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| 00:45.14 | Dougmeister | yeah it should work, you can make a 2,6 kernel later on |
| 00:45.15 | emzed | alge: postfix can get the mail from fetchmail, then put them in local mbox. But after that, I need to send these mails from my gateway to my main computer |
| 00:45.15 | akriel | hmm where can I leanr about flavors? |
| 00:45.17 | JoshTriplett | emox: Actually, you just need CD 1. It has all the flavors on it. |
| 00:45.25 | JoshTriplett | emox: And lets you choose between them. |
| 00:45.34 | emox | ... yeah but you need the cd.... |
| 00:45.46 | alge | emzed- no postfix by itself is just an smtp server, but part of the delivery sequence you could pull off into spamassain or amavis, amavis-new... for the other features your seeking |
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| 00:45.58 | Serbitar | where can i find the graph that shows the percentage of packages built for each architecture? |
| 00:45.59 | akriel | flavors wtf heh in 6 yrs of bsd nvr heard of flavors is it a debain only thing? |
| 00:46.08 | overflow | JoshTriplett: no, SCSI I think |
| 00:46.17 | Dougmeister | kernel flavors is slang for install kernels |
| 00:46.17 | pixelmonkey | anyone here use ed2k-gtk-gui and Gnome 2.6? ed2k_gui isn't working properly for me... |
| 00:46.21 | JoshTriplett | overflow: Then use the "idepci" flavor. |
| 00:46.28 | overflow | JoshTriplett: some Compaq stuff |
| 00:46.32 | JoshTriplett | overflow: It doesn't have the SCSI stuff. |
| 00:46.38 | alge | emzed- postfix site has some good info on setting up this kind of stuff. |
| 00:46.39 | overflow | JoshTriplett: let me check |
| 00:46.41 | overflow | brb |
| 00:46.43 | overflow | exit |
| 00:46.47 | Dougmeister | use a 2.2 kernel with scsi |
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| 00:46.57 | emox | :/ |
| 00:47.04 | Dougmeister | no it will be ok |
| 00:47.14 | Dougmeister | you can compile a 2.4 after the install |
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| 00:47.33 | simonrvn | @test2 |
| 00:47.33 | ravenbird | Yes, i'm online. |
| 00:47.34 | emox | **sniff** i got lots of people coming over in a bit and i really need to get this done, sorry for being a jerk and not reading up on this for hours upon hours |
| 00:47.40 | wasabi | Is there a way to boot linux, intoa file system, chrooted to a sub directory? |
| 00:47.44 | wasabi | instead of the root of the root= line |
| 00:47.55 | Dougmeister | just use a 2.2 for now, it had the old driver that should work ok |
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| 00:48.02 | simonrvn | probably, try specifying another root= |
| 00:48.02 | emox | i tried that |
| 00:48.04 | emox | it doesnt read it |
| 00:48.07 | toresbe | wasabi: Ugh, no, din't think so... |
| 00:48.12 | emzed | alge: ok, I will look at that. Thanks |
| 00:48.14 | Dougmeister | O_o |
| 00:48.16 | alge | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.23 | emox | and i cant make a linux formatted cd either, i dont have a running linux box |
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| 00:48.27 | emox | i mean |
| 00:48.27 | emox | eh |
| 00:48.30 | emox | a linux formatted floppy |
| 00:48.34 | emox | so im pretty much screwd |
| 00:48.59 | spowers_ | huh? system can't find rootfs? |
| 00:49.04 | JoshTriplett | emox: Debian supports other floppy formats. |
| 00:49.08 | JoshTriplett | emox: Such as FAT. |
| 00:49.11 | emox | mmm |
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| 00:49.19 | michael12345 | is anyone able to help me with pppoe-server |
| 00:49.42 | Dougmeister | emox: it can get tricky, especially with _that_ card (i know) |
| 00:50.00 | emox | well i guess ill google for the modules |
| 00:50.05 | emox | and try to make a module disk |
| 00:50.17 | alge | michael12345, waz up? |
| 00:50.34 | Dougmeister | if you just need a kernel image i can provide a 2.6 to test |
| 00:50.50 | emox | man |
| 00:50.51 | michael12345 | alge: I am trying to get pppoe-server to work. So I have set it to interface eth2 |
| 00:50.59 | emox | i have no idea how to install anything but with the cd's |
| 00:51.11 | alge | using roaring-penguins |
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| 00:51.15 | emox | i cant even install X by myself |
| 00:51.16 | emox | haha |
| 00:51.17 | emox | :( |
| 00:51.19 | Dougmeister | yeah i'm here because of a similar problem |
| 00:51.20 | michael12345 | alge: I also set the client to eth2 to make an easy test but they dont see each other |
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| 00:51.37 | Dougmeister | i dont have a cd in my laptop and the floppy images arent working |
| 00:51.37 | michael12345 | alge: as the client or the server |
| 00:51.44 | spowers_ | has anyone plugged samba3 into ldap? i can't find samba.schema |
| 00:51.57 | spowers_ | in an obvious place, that is |
| 00:52.16 | Serbitar | updatedb && locate samba.schema ? |
| 00:52.39 | sander__ | How can I have Debian download new uninstalled packages when I apt-get upgrade? |
| 00:52.50 | Dougmeister | emox: youre using 2.4.18-bf2? |
| 00:52.53 | JoshTriplett | sander__: And list them for you? Use aptitude. |
| 00:52.57 | emox | eh? |
| 00:52.59 | flooz | has anyone here used the new debian installer to set up a system with LVM and software RAID? I'm curious if it all works or if there are kinks that need to be worked out at that stage |
| 00:53.00 | emox | sec |
| 00:53.03 | Dougmeister | emox: youre using 2.4.18-bf2.4? |
| 00:53.04 | JoshTriplett | sander__: It shows you new packages each time you update. |
| 00:53.15 | JoshTriplett | flooz: I think it works, although I haven't tried it. |
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| 00:53.25 | emox | i think so... |
| 00:53.28 | emox | its bf2.4 |
| 00:53.30 | emox | http://linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=4 |
| 00:53.32 | emox | from right there |
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| 00:53.43 | alge | michael12345, forgive me, r u try to establish a DSL link? pppoe.. |
| 00:53.54 | Dougmeister | emox: probably, i used it here but i bought an ide drive to use |
| 00:54.01 | sander__ | Hmm JoshTriplett, my xchat fonts are all of a sudden messed up. I can't read your reply brb. |
| 00:54.06 | Serbitar | flooz: i tried to do lvm on software raid one and failed.. this was RC1 test 1 |
| 00:54.14 | Dougmeister | emox: i'm thinking, hang in there |
| 00:54.16 | flooz | Serbitar: =( |
| 00:54.21 | sussudio | hah. |
| 00:54.31 | alge | michael12345, I may be outside of what I can help with...if not. |
| 00:54.35 | emox | well, how would i go about making a module disk |
| 00:54.39 | emox | i googled |
| 00:54.40 | flooz | i noticed that it even dowloads EVMS components during installation. that is so cool. |
| 00:54.41 | JoshTriplett | Serbitar: RC1? That's quite old. Or do you mean TC1? That's quite broken. :) |
| 00:54.45 | emox | but there are virtually 0 results |
| 00:54.51 | Serbitar | ah yeah sorry TC1 |
| 00:55.00 | Dougmeister | emox: you can't for a debian installer disk |
| 00:55.08 | emox | wtf do you mean you cant |
| 00:55.12 | emox | it gives you the option |
| 00:55.18 | emox | its a major part of the installation software |
| 00:55.19 | JoshTriplett | Serbitar: TC1 was broken enough that the debian-boot team said "let's forget that ever happened.". :) |
| 00:55.19 | emox | :((( |
| 00:55.27 | JoshTriplett | Serbitar: Use RC4 or a snapshot. |
| 00:55.29 | Serbitar | JoshTriplett: oh ok. |
| 00:55.29 | Dougmeister | emox: hmm, ok, i know |
| 00:55.40 | emox | sorry :( ive just been at this all day |
| 00:55.44 | emox | im getting cranky |
| 00:55.44 | flooz | Serbitar: let me know if rc4 works if you try it ;) |
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| 00:55.59 | emox | because i really dont want to use mandrake |
| 00:56.07 | emox | but it seems thats goin to be my only choice |
| 00:56.07 | Serbitar | flooz: i wont be trying as i did the required lvm on software raid manually ^_^ |
| 00:56.18 | Dougmeister | emox: make a monolithic kernel and dd it to a floppy |
| 00:56.34 | g4lt | emox why can't you use the 2.2.20 kernel? |
| 00:56.37 | emox | i do not have a linux box up and running. |
| 00:56.39 | emox | he? |
| 00:56.41 | emox | eh? even |
| 00:56.41 | emox | i cant |
| 00:56.43 | emox | it wont work |
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| 00:56.46 | polux | hi |
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| 00:56.56 | emox | i mean, it boots |
| 00:57.00 | emox | up to the install program |
| 00:57.05 | flooz | Serbitar: ahh so you used fdisk from the installer and then you can exit it while setting up lvm? |
| 00:57.06 | emox | but it doesnt find my scsi controller |
| 00:57.12 | flooz | s/exit/suspend/ |
| 00:57.23 | Dougmeister | emox: ok can you select the aic7xxx-old module? |
| 00:57.24 | JoshTriplett | Dougmeister: dding a kernel to a floppy is deprecated. |
| 00:57.27 | sussudio | some dumbass on bzflag has "God loves and saves christians" as his teamname, so i told him "God doesn't exist, badgers exist." so he said "Prove it" me: "badgers are everywhere". he shut up after that. |
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| 00:57.40 | Serbitar | flooz: nah. i just installed to the second disk with the installer |
| 00:57.46 | emox | doug: --yes-- but i dont know how to pass the parameters to the kernel at boot. |
| 00:57.48 | Serbitar | flooz: without lvm or raid |
| 00:57.49 | emox | ive said that before |
| 00:57.56 | Dougmeister | no parameters needed |
| 00:57.59 | emox | omg |
| 00:58.10 | polux | i don't find htsearch in the htdig package...but i've got the man page, no clue in /usr/share/doc/htdig and apt-cache search gives nothing |
| 00:58.15 | emox | sigh |
| 00:58.22 | toresbe | sussudio: Haha |
| 00:58.24 | polux | was it removed for some reason ? or renamed ? |
| 00:58.44 | Serbitar | flooz: then created the raid array (level 1) with missing disk with the first disk as active, made lvm stuff on here and shifted /usr /var etc into their own lvs |
| 00:58.54 | sander__ | OK JoshTriplett , could you repeat what you said before? :) |
| 00:59.01 | emox | man i need a cigarette. :( |
| 00:59.02 | sussudio | at least he didn't say "who makes badgers" or i'd have to point him to some badgerpr0n site (www.animalplanet.com) to show him how it's done. |
| 00:59.09 | JoshTriplett | sander___: Use aptitude. |
| 00:59.11 | Dougmeister | emox: if the installer boots, and you are in the "install the kernel modules" section then just pick it and carry on |
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| 00:59.15 | Serbitar | flooz: rebooted the system (which was booted form the 1 disk raid 1 array with lots of stuff on lvm) and added the second disk to the raid array |
| 00:59.20 | JoshTriplett | sander__: It lists new packages every time you update. |
| 00:59.24 | carrett | hey, if i have a dynamic ip dns set up (working fine with webserver) what do i have to do so that mail for user@myserver.mine.nu gets to user's mailbox? |
| 00:59.27 | emox|afk | haha |
| 00:59.32 | emox|afk | maybe i should take pictures |
| 00:59.33 | Serbitar | flooz: thats just a basic breakdown ^_^ |
| 00:59.35 | emox|afk | to get this across |
| 00:59.36 | JoshTriplett | sander__: Lots of other advantages, too. |
| 00:59.37 | emox|afk | lol |
| 00:59.41 | sander__ | That does sound better. |
| 00:59.45 | emox|afk | i cant point and click |
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| 00:59.56 | sander__ | I've heard it's good I'll have to give it a try. |
| 01:00.01 | emox|afk | i guess ill just type in random siht untill it works |
| 01:00.02 | emox|afk | afk |
| 01:00.06 | Dougmeister | emox: use tabs and arrows |
| 01:00.13 | JoshTriplett | sander__: It also tracks libraries that were only installed to install other software, and removes them when they are no longer needed. |
| 01:00.25 | JoshTriplett | sander__: And it handles recommends and suggests, too. |
| 01:00.26 | flooz | Serbitar: damn quite the hairy process |
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| 01:00.27 | Dougmeister | emox: theres no parameters for that module that i know of |
| 01:00.39 | JoshTriplett | !tell sander__ about aptitude |
| 01:00.49 | Serbitar | flooz: it was fun :) |
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| 01:01.01 | Serbitar | flooz: although not as elegant of jsut using the installer |
| 01:01.04 | Dougmeister | emox: if it fails then its the wrong module obviously |
| 01:01.09 | JoshTriplett | sander__: Especially read the mailing list message indicated there. |
| 01:01.19 | flooz | Serbitar: fun but i bet more time consuming than just a working installer =P |
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| 01:01.29 | Serbitar | flooz: agreed! |
| 01:01.33 | flooz | =/ |
| 01:01.42 | nvz | funk.. brb, forgot to start screen |
| 01:01.43 | JoshTriplett | flooz: My sympathies |
| 01:01.49 | polux | ok...found it in cgi-bin |
| 01:01.50 | polux | sorry |
| 01:01.56 | Dougmeister | hey all, I am seeking help for a gradual upgrade |
| 01:02.15 | carrett | Dougmeister: how do you mean? |
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| 01:02.43 | flooz | Serbitar: no the trick is i just need to cut sleep out of my schedule completely but some how not let it affect my thinking or health in anyway |
| 01:02.47 | Dougmeister | i upgraded slink to potato ok, but when i go from kernel 2.0.34 to 2.2.19 it segfaults on ext2 |
| 01:02.51 | flooz | i just havent figured out how to do that yet |
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| 01:03.15 | JoshTriplett | flooz: If you figure that one out, let me know. :) I'm a college student; I could really put that information to good use! |
| 01:03.20 | flooz | that's 7 extra hours each week day |
| 01:03.29 | carrett | Dougmeister: where have you been!? :) .... i take it you enabled ext2 in 2.2.19 |
| 01:03.31 | carrett | ? |
| 01:03.36 | Dougmeister | and init fails, I can boot single, but sysvinit is crashing |
| 01:03.36 | flooz | JoshTriplett: hell if i figure that out i'm off to the patent office! |
| 01:03.46 | Serbitar | sleep is useful though.. it helps dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/brain every once in a while |
| 01:03.59 | JoshTriplett | !smite flooz |
| 01:04.00 | sander__ | JoshTriplett: thanks. That does sound like it addresses my problems with apt-get. I'll have to give it a try, but in the interim, I have to find out what happened to xchat because ksirc isn't cutting it. |
| 01:04.00 | Dougmeister | carrett: its my old laptop, im working on it |
| 01:04.10 | flooz | mmmmmmm boils |
| 01:04.17 | JoshTriplett | sander__: Try chatzilla. |
| 01:04.34 | JoshTriplett | flooz: Thou shalt not mention that vile governmental organization! :) :) |
| 01:04.35 | Serbitar | would they be caffiene producing boils ;) ? |
| 01:04.38 | Dougmeister | carrett: my laptop had slink on it and im trying to upgrade it |
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| 01:05.03 | carrett | Dougmeister: that's gonna be a bitch. |
| 01:05.11 | carrett | Dougmeister: i'd just back up the data and reinstall. |
| 01:05.14 | JoshTriplett | sander__: That's what I'm using anyway. |
| 01:05.25 | marmot | OT but anyone know how the hell to move files around on a remote ftp site from ncftp? Can't seem to find a remote move command or anything like that. |
| 01:05.27 | JoshTriplett | sander__: It's in the package mozilla-chatzilla |
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| 01:05.32 | Dougmeister | carrett: i got it up to potato, but the kernel 2.0 -> 2.2 is fscking me up |
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| 01:05.49 | sander__ | I tried it a while back, I'll check it out. |
| 01:05.55 | flooz | another question if you guys dont mind: i've read the "releases" part of debian.org and understand that the 'testing' and 'unstable' branches are not supported by the debian security team but how often do you notice that packages to testing lag behind stable? |
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| 01:06.06 | flooz | security updated packages that is |
| 01:06.12 | carrett | Dougmeister: i'm sure there're more issues awaiting you...wish i could help but if i were you i'd just get a woody cd and back up my shtuff |
| 01:06.23 | mick_home | helix, (or any other chix0rs ;-))... i want to know if you have any pointers for girls who are new to linux |
| 01:06.29 | Dougmeister | carrett: no cdrom drive |
| 01:06.32 | Serbitar | flooz: lag behind unstable you mean? |
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| 01:06.39 | carrett | Dougmeister: boot floppies then |
| 01:06.40 | JoshTriplett | flooz: Generally at least a few days, due to the time needed to propogate from testing to unstable. |
| 01:06.56 | Dougmeister | carrett: tried every one, kernel panic |
| 01:06.56 | Serbitar | and it is usually only a couple of days |
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| 01:07.07 | flooz | JoshTriplett: ahh |
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| 01:07.10 | sander__ | bbl |
| 01:07.11 | mick_home | i am setting up my g/f's comuter... and i wanted to know of any "tips" that you might have some for me |
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| 01:07.17 | JoshTriplett | flooz: Woody is probably perfect for a server, unless there is some specific thing you need from testing/unstable. |
| 01:07.28 | guestish | backports! |
| 01:07.30 | carrett | Dougmeister: ugh...toss the laptop! |
| 01:07.34 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: Is she used to windows or mac? |
| 01:07.38 | Dougmeister | mick_home: install xscreensaver |
| 01:07.42 | mick_home | windows |
| 01:07.50 | mick_home | Dougmeister, right and amsn |
| 01:07.52 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: Install KDE 3.2 and kdm. |
| 01:07.53 | Dougmeister | carrett: hehe, no way its cool |
| 01:08.03 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: Use the "plastik" theme. |
| 01:08.03 | flooz | JoshTriplett: i need newer cyrus-imapd, postgresql and a couple other packages |
| 01:08.12 | JoshTriplett | flooz: backports.org? |
| 01:08.14 | mick_home | JoshTriplett, i figure she thinks that metacity looks prettier |
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| 01:08.25 | mick_home | JoshTriplett, i'll look into that |
| 01:08.33 | Dougmeister | carrett: that laptop is classic, a 486-25 with a *color* screen, 20M ram and a 1.2G drive |
| 01:08.40 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: GNOME is nice, but it can be quite uncomfortable for a windows user. |
| 01:08.46 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: It feels quite macish. |
| 01:09.01 | mick_home | she is getting used to my OSX laptop now :) |
| 01:09.01 | flooz | JoshTriplett: if i use backports.org w/ woody then what about when sarge is ready and i want to upgrade to the official release? problems i guess? |
| 01:09.08 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: KDE feels a lot like Windows, minus all the bad parts. :) |
| 01:09.18 | mick_home | JoshTriplett, heh :) |
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| 01:09.22 | flooz | mmmmm OS X |
| 01:09.23 | Dougmeister | mick_home: install Chicago font and use as gnome system font, its awesome i use all mac fonts |
| 01:09.24 | carrett | Dougmeister: good luck d00d |
| 01:09.27 | JoshTriplett | flooz: Possibly, but backports.org is generally careful about supporting upgrades. |
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| 01:09.49 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: Try ttf-freefont (although not the latest version, it's broken at the moment). |
| 01:10.07 | mick_home | JoshTriplett, i might want to get her away from the whole "window-ish" thing anyhow... |
| 01:10.09 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: Also, does the laptop have wireless and/or wired networking? |
| 01:10.10 | Serbitar | Dougmeister: that device is not a computer, i recommend you run run embedian on it (<3 M$ satire) |
| 01:10.25 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: It's nice to have something that isn't _too_ different. |
| 01:10.27 | Dougmeister | mick_home: and monaco is great for xterms and stuff |
| 01:10.42 | mick_home | JoshTriplett, her box is a stock dell desktop (my laptop is what she is using) |
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| 01:10.50 | mick_home | and we all know what my laptop is :) |
| 01:11.05 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: No, we don't. :) |
| 01:11.10 | mick_home | JoshTriplett, i get what you mean |
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| 01:11.40 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: I just had some suggestions for wired/wireless roaming, for a laptop. |
| 01:11.43 | mick_home | ~tell JoshTriplett about mick's laptop |
| 01:11.55 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: Ah. |
| 01:12.00 | mick_home | ;) |
| 01:12.03 | mick_home | i love that |
| 01:12.08 | Dougmeister | Serbitar: hehe, no way, I even have a D-Link de600 pocket adapter and it works |
| 01:12.08 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: Nice; 12", 15", or 17"? |
| 01:12.15 | Serbitar | Dougmeister: :D |
| 01:12.18 | mick_home | the mid-sized one |
| 01:12.31 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: Find a way to split the mouse button into two, and I'm sold. :) |
| 01:12.48 | mick_home | JoshTriplett, use _any_ usb mouse |
| 01:13.15 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: I hate using an external mouse with a laptop; I always use the touchpad or stick mouse. |
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| 01:13.32 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: I like that my laptop is one integrated box, with no extra dangling parts. |
| 01:14.13 | Dougmeister | mick_home: serious, install the Mac TTF fonts, Chicago is awesome, i'm using it now for my gnome system font, very pretty |
| 01:14.14 | mick_home | JoshTriplett, another funny thing.. i used a laptop that was "made for XP" and the mouse jumped like hell, i used a usb mac mouse (the one with one button) and it worked fine |
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| 01:14.43 | mick_home | Dougmeister, cool |
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| 01:14.56 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: Funny. |
| 01:15.08 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: The one where the whole mouse is the button? |
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| 01:15.14 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: Or the hockey puck? |
| 01:15.30 | mick_home | yup... one clear mouse |
| 01:15.44 | mick_home | the hockey pucks are only good for one thing... |
| 01:15.51 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: Hockey? :) |
| 01:15.54 | mick_home | thats playing _hockey_ |
| 01:15.58 | mick_home | ;) |
| 01:16.09 | mick_home | i hate those stupid things |
| 01:16.14 | Dougmeister | Hey, why is archive.debian.org down, by the way? i had to ftp potato from like Hungary or something |
| 01:16.17 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: You and me both. |
| 01:16.29 | mick_home | Dougmeister, _potato_ ? |
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| 01:16.39 | toresbe | Good night all |
| 01:16.40 | mick_home | Dougmeister, WHY |
| 01:16.43 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: He's upgrading from slink. |
| 01:16.46 | ac1d | how do i search for files of x MB or higher? |
| 01:16.55 | Justin | ac1d: find ? |
| 01:16.57 | JoshTriplett | mick_home: Upgrades that skip releases are not supported. |
| 01:16.57 | Dougmeister | mick_home: i'm working on my antique laptop |
| 01:16.57 | ac1d | hm |
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| 01:17.12 | mick_home | ouch |
| 01:17.14 | mick_home | thats old |
| 01:17.33 | Dougmeister | yeah, lol |
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| 01:17.51 | Dougmeister | i was using olvwm with it, worked pretty well actually |
| 01:18.12 | JoshTriplett | Dougmeister: I used to run potato; got it from the "Debian GNU/Linux Bible". |
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| 01:18.58 | Dougmeister | JoshTriplett: I used to run debian 0.9 on my Vektron 386-40 :-P |
| 01:19.06 | JoshTriplett | Dougmeister: You win. :) |
| 01:19.06 | guestish | .9? ooolllddd |
| 01:19.23 | Dougmeister | That was umm like 1991? 1992? |
| 01:19.32 | JoshTriplett | Dougmeister: I've only been using GNU/Linux for a few years now. |
| 01:19.46 | guestish | who'd want to use something as old as debian 0.9? |
| 01:19.46 | JoshTriplett | Dougmeister: Exclusively, for only about a year. |
| 01:20.04 | Dougmeister | Well, I fell off the wagon from like 1992 until 1997 or so |
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| 01:20.10 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Presumably, someone who was around when that was the newest version of Debian. |
| 01:20.12 | Serbitar | hmm.. should it be possible to mount the firmware images for my linux-based wireless access point? |
| 01:20.31 | guestish | JoshTriplett: still, i bet apt wasnt even integrated in that release |
| 01:20.41 | JoshTriplett | Serbitar: Probably not directly; the filesystem will be at some offset from the beginning. |
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| 01:20.46 | JoshTriplett | Serbitar: Google for your router. |
| 01:20.49 | Serbitar | JoshTriplett: hmm ok. |
| 01:20.51 | Dougmeister | It was cool, i remember it took like 20 hours to compile a 1.x linux kernel |
| 01:20.52 | Serbitar | will play later |
| 01:20.59 | JoshTriplett | Serbitar: Or, there's a set of reverse-engineering tools somewhere. |
| 01:21.09 | JoshTriplett | Serbitar: That look for filesystems at offsets. |
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| 01:21.20 | guestish | 20 hours? ouch |
| 01:21.42 | Dougmeister | yeah, turn it on and go to bed, zillions of warnings later maybe it would have workd |
| 01:21.42 | emox|afk | humdeedummmm |
| 01:21.48 | guestish | heh |
| 01:21.58 | flooz | hmm |
| 01:21.59 | Jambon | what is the kde-core package? i know what's in it, i'm just wondering if it is kde without all the useless programs |
| 01:22.02 | flooz | this is interesting: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/d-i/screenshots/094-kernel-select.png |
| 01:22.07 | guestish | Jambon: yup |
| 01:22.23 | Jambon | mkay |
| 01:22.29 | JoshTriplett | flooz: Yup. |
| 01:22.41 | emox | popped in my old harddrive with mandrake on it, gonna finish downloading mandrake 10 i guess |
| 01:22.52 | Dougmeister | actually i oughtta put *gasp* gentoo on this ancient laptop |
| 01:22.55 | flooz | as i understand, with the new debian installer you can choose which version to install stable, testing or unstable. would that kernel selection option be available even if i chose stable? |
| 01:23.04 | guestish | Dougmeister: evil 2.0! |
| 01:23.07 | JoshTriplett | Dougmeister: Yeah, optimize everything for your 486. :) |
| 01:23.24 | JoshTriplett | Dougmeister: Get rid of all those horrible 386 kludges. :) |
| 01:23.47 | Dougmeister | guestish: you have any tips? the 2.0 -> 2.2 kernel upgrade seems to be problematic |
| 01:23.57 | JoshTriplett | flooz: The new debian-installer lets you pick stable, but it doesn't actually work, and won't until stable means Sarge. |
| 01:24.08 | flooz | doh |
| 01:24.11 | guestish | Dougmeister: sure, upgrade to 2.4.26 |
| 01:24.23 | flooz | so there goes that idea |
| 01:24.31 | JoshTriplett | flooz: But if you want to run Linux 2.6 on Woody, try backports.org . |
| 01:24.36 | Dougmeister | guestish: umm that isnt in potato's pick list |
| 01:24.43 | guestish | Dougmeister: then upgrade to woody |
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| 01:25.01 | Dougmeister | guestish: will woody boot on a 2.0 kernel? |
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| 01:25.03 | guestish | Dougmeister: simply add the woody sources to apt and dist-upgrade |
| 01:25.03 | zoobab | hello |
| 01:25.07 | emox | doug: i booted the installer using each module provided on the cd, and none of them worked :( |
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| 01:25.21 | zoobab | are some debian developpers here? |
| 01:25.30 | Dougmeister | emox: rats |
| 01:25.32 | guestish | Dougmeister: you can use a kernel-image from woody when you dist-upgrade |
| 01:25.35 | flooz | JoshTriplett: i was mainly looking at the debian installer because lvm and raid seem to be integerated, otherwise i guess it's a manual process |
| 01:25.38 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Direct upgrades from slink to woody, or any upgrades that skip a release, are not supported. |
| 01:25.39 | guestish | Dougmeister: then recompile from source a kernel later |
| 01:25.52 | guestish | JoshTriplett: hes using potato |
| 01:25.54 | JoshTriplett | flooz: Ah. Look for the unofficial boot-floppies that support lvm. |
| 01:25.57 | emox | doug: what were you saying about me being able to boot from a different kernel than was supplied? |
| 01:26.05 | Dougmeister | guestish: how to i pick it? |
| 01:26.07 | JoshTriplett | guestish: OK, he was using slink a few minutes ago. :) |
| 01:26.12 | flooz | heh |
| 01:26.12 | guestish | Dougmeister: you are on potato right? |
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| 01:26.22 | crud | where are there "powered by debian" pictures? |
| 01:26.24 | Dougmeister | err: my laptop is |
| 01:26.28 | guestish | Dougmeister: k |
| 01:26.40 | guestish | Dougmeister: do you know how to change your potato sources to woody? |
| 01:26.46 | guestish | JoshTriplett: ;) |
| 01:26.52 | Serbitar | JoshTriplett: any idea what it may be called? |
| 01:26.52 | Dougmeister | guestish: sure |
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| 01:26.59 | Felesh | hi |
| 01:27.00 | JoshTriplett | crud: http://www.debian.org/logos/ |
| 01:27.00 | guestish | Dougmeister: ok, go ahead and do apt-get update, but nothing else |
| 01:27.05 | Dougmeister | emoxL hang on, im getting some help |
| 01:27.11 | Felesh | someone have the motherboard ASUS A7V333 ? |
| 01:27.24 | Dougmeister | guestish: k ... 1 sec |
| 01:27.26 | guestish | Dougmeister: k |
| 01:27.30 | JoshTriplett | Serbitar: The reverse-engineering tools? No. Look for a site all about GPL violations; it's hosted there. |
| 01:27.33 | guestish | Dougmeister: just say when |
| 01:27.44 | Serbitar | JoshTriplett: thanks. |
| 01:27.50 | guestish | JoshTriplett: besides, you can always upgrade incramentally |
| 01:27.58 | Dougmeister | guestish: gotta uninstall 2.2.19pre17 first then cleanup a bit |
| 01:28.06 | guestish | Dougmeister: dont uninstall any kernel |
| 01:28.16 | guestish | Dougmeister: unless you arent gonna use it |
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| 01:28.33 | guestish | Dougmeister: uninstalling your running kernel could be bad news... |
| 01:28.45 | crud | JoshTriplett, many thanks |
| 01:28.56 | Jambon | oh i forgot to ask. with kde-core, does it come with at least konquerer and ark? as in just basic programs or none at all? |
| 01:29.06 | Kendan | Hi I am doing a debian install and need to knoe the module that the smc2532 wireless card uses. |
| 01:29.15 | guestish | Jambon: konqueror is a basic program, arc you might need to do seperately |
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| 01:29.31 | Dougmeister | guestish: i have a 2.0.34 which i compiled from source that works perfectly, its safe and sound, and i use grub, and i have a complete bootable backup of slink on /dev/hda1 |
| 01:29.45 | guestish | Dougmeister: sounds prepared to me :) |
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| 01:30.35 | JoshTriplett | Dougmeister: Indeed, you can't get much more prepared than a disk image. |
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| 01:30.49 | echo2 | I see that /var/log/messages is shifted to messages.0 and messages.1.gz etc once a week. How is that done? |
| 01:30.51 | mick_home | true |
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| 01:30.57 | JoshTriplett | echo2: logrotate |
| 01:31.01 | green-ears | Jambon: you need to apt-get ark and yes least konquerer i think, ho thats in sarge |
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| 01:31.34 | Dougmeister | guestish: thats what I dont get, it works fine with 2.0.34, but panics on 2.2.19, maybe i should just roll my own 2.2 kernel on potato then cont. |
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| 01:31.49 | maria | 781 upgraded, 109 newly installed, 10 to remove and 6 not upgraded. |
| 01:31.50 | maria | Need to get 521MB of archives. |
| 01:31.57 | maria | the moral of the story, ladies and gentlemen |
| 01:31.57 | guestish | Dougmeister: your choice, i gtg soon though |
| 01:32.08 | maria | is don't leave it several months between sid updates :/ |
| 01:32.10 | Dougmeister | guestish: how do i spec to install a 2.4 kernel on a dist-upgrade |
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| 01:32.19 | guestish | Dougmeister: you install the kernel, then dist-upgrade |
| 01:32.27 | guestish | Dougmeister: just search for 2.4.18 |
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| 01:32.51 | guestish | Dougmeister: it'll install a bunch of woody specific dependencies, but you are gonna dist-upgrade anyways |
| 01:32.52 | echo2 | JoshTriplett: Ok. But how is logrotate started. I can't see it with "ps aux". |
| 01:33.07 | Dougmeister | guestish: that might be worth a try. might save me a couple days, this old laptop is sloooow |
| 01:33.16 | guestish | Dougmeister: 486? sounds like it |
| 01:33.17 | JoshTriplett | echo2: It's run via cron. |
| 01:33.25 | Serbitar | reveng-tools ? |
| 01:33.47 | echo2 | JoshTriplett: Hohum. But crontab (as root) says no crontab. |
| 01:33.53 | guestish | Dougmeister: im hoping your computer can handle initrd....i dunno why it wouldnt be able to |
| 01:33.59 | JoshTriplett | Serbitar: ding ding ding ding ding. :) |
| 01:34.08 | guestish | Dougmeister: you are adding the entries to grub to boot initrd, right? |
| 01:34.19 | Dougmeister | guestish: hmm it has always failed with wrong magic so far |
| 01:34.21 | JoshTriplett | echo2: Look in /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
| 01:34.28 | guestish | Dougmeister: wrong magic? |
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| 01:34.37 | JoshTriplett | echo2: And /etc/logrotate.{conf,d} |
| 01:35.06 | Dougmeister | guestish: when the kernel loads the cramfs it says wrong magic cant find resiserfs and then panics |
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| 01:35.34 | Dougmeister | thats with the woody boot floppies, tried them all |
| 01:35.45 | guestish | Dougmeister: weird...well i compile all my own kernels so i dont know much about initrd and how it works |
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| 01:35.49 | abydos | woo woo, I have gmail |
| 01:35.51 | Dougmeister | i was making disks like a fool last noght |
| 01:35.51 | serving | hi all |
| 01:36.02 | guestish | Dougmeister: heh |
| 01:36.13 | flooz | serving: www.opengroupware.org |
| 01:36.14 | Dougmeister | yeah i make my own kernels always too |
| 01:36.19 | JoshTriplett | serving: OpenGroupware.org, when it's ready. |
| 01:36.23 | Covener | serving: wine and lotus notes! :) |
| 01:36.26 | douglas_om | Somebody help me with BIO (OpenSSL)!! How can I read from a file? What's the BIO method that sets the BIO for that? |
| 01:36.42 | flooz | JoshTriplett: it's not bad as it is right now |
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| 01:36.51 | flooz | pretty useable |
| 01:37.12 | JoshTriplett | flooz: Really? Last I looked a few months ago, it was still in the "deep magic required" stage. |
| 01:37.13 | douglas_om | I tried BIO_set_file but look: cryptToFile.cpp:14: error: `BIO_set_file' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 01:37.16 | guestish | Dougmeister: well, the thing is that 2.4.19 and higher needs gcc 3.x, but if you get a 2.4.18 or less source from kernel.org it should compile fine |
| 01:37.20 | serving | flooz: not another web groupware ..... |
| 01:37.21 | JoshTriplett | flooz: That's fast progress. |
| 01:37.26 | guestish | Dougmeister: it'll have security holes, but it'll run :) |
| 01:37.40 | JoshTriplett | serving: No, it will have plugins for evolution and similar apps. |
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| 01:37.52 | Kendan | does anyone know where I can look to find what moddule my wireless card needs? smc2532 |
| 01:38.08 | Dougmeister | guestish: i have a mighty Rebel Netwinder firewall/router running Arm-Woody of course :-) |
| 01:38.22 | guestish | Dougmeister: nice ;) |
| 01:38.31 | flooz | JoshTriplett: i've been using it since January, no problems |
| 01:38.37 | simonrvn | Dougmeister: cool |
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| 01:38.51 | flooz | serving: you can use m$ outlook and evolution with it |
| 01:39.04 | simonrvn | s/outlook/outhouse/ |
| 01:39.05 | echo2 | flooz: *** JoshTriplett: No such nick/channel |
| 01:39.11 | Dougmeister | simonrvm: its been running for 2 years straight now, excepting power outages |
| 01:39.18 | saminuske | is there any panic parameter for the lilo configuration? If my kernel doesn't boot for some reason I'd like something to fall back on |
| 01:39.22 | simonrvn | echo2: uh, he just left |
| 01:39.29 | simonrvn | (01:37) *** Parts: JoshTriplett |
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| 01:39.40 | wasabi_ | uh oh |
| 01:39.43 | wasabi_ | all my IO has frozen |
| 01:39.43 | wasabi_ | heh |
| 01:39.49 | simonrvn | eek |
| 01:39.59 | Dougmeister | saminuske: you really should take the time to install GRUB, it will save your butt over and over |
| 01:40.01 | wasabi_ | terminals are locking up left and right, THE SKY IS FALLING |
| 01:40.12 | simonrvn | oh fun |
| 01:40.13 | serving | flooz: I am checking the site now . thanx :) |
| 01:40.22 | simonrvn | </sarcasm> |
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| 01:40.30 | wasabi_ | rm just segfaulted. |
| 01:40.35 | mick_home | lol |
| 01:40.43 | simonrvn | i'd reboot |
| 01:40.48 | wasabi_ | shutdown won't respond! |
| 01:40.51 | saminuske | Dougmeister: I probably will switch, I'd just like to test my new kernel first |
| 01:40.53 | simonrvn | sucks to reboot. or wait it out |
| 01:41.01 | wasabi_ | I dont think it's going to be waited out |
| 01:41.05 | saminuske | my dilemma is that I'm 600 miles from the machine, so I'd like something to fall back on |
| 01:41.08 | mick_home | wasabi_, button - use the button! |
| 01:41.13 | wasabi_ | =( |
| 01:41.16 | simonrvn | "it's goin' down cap'n!" |
| 01:41.28 | wasabi_ | ny fs must be totally hosed |
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| 01:41.33 | Dougmeister | saminuske: eep, not good. i haven't used lilo for years, sorry |
| 01:41.35 | guestish | Dougmeister: you know the newest version of stable, sarge, is comming out soon too |
| 01:41.36 | wasabi_ | blah |
| 01:41.38 | wasabi_ | bbl |
| 01:41.40 | emox|mdk43vr | i wish i was 600 miles from any computer |
| 01:41.48 | sbk | wasabi_: for what it's worth, you might give sync a shot before a powercycle |
| 01:41.49 | sussudio | emox|mdk43vr: move to idaho |
| 01:41.57 | saminuske | okay thanks Dougmeister |
| 01:41.57 | mick_home | lol |
| 01:41.58 | emox|mdk43vr | haha ive been there |
| 01:41.58 | simonrvn | yeh, good idea |
| 01:42.01 | emox|mdk43vr | :( |
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| 01:42.12 | Dougmeister | guestish: dunno, i'm just running sid on my big box |
| 01:42.22 | emox|mdk43vr | went to an ihop, the waiter was like, stoned outta his head |
| 01:42.23 | guestish | Dougmeister: big box? |
| 01:42.24 | kojack27_FL | when is it comming out guestish |
| 01:42.34 | guestish | kojack27_FL: depends... |
| 01:42.38 | kojack27_FL | on? |
| 01:42.38 | directhex | !sarge pool 4 |
| 01:42.39 | dpkg | Keep 'em coming! abrotman=2004-10-02 Guerin=2005-03-13 Kerpal=2005-01-01 FieldySnuts=2009-12-31 scarynetworkguy=2005-01-03 directhex=2004-12-25 <cantona>=2004-08-19 <cantona>=2004-8-19 andika=2005-01-31 Cit=2004-05-20 g0llum=2004-07-26 dan2=2004-06-24 bztunk=2004-09-11 obake=2004-04-31 guestish=2004-05-30 <galois>=2004-07-09 |
| 01:42.48 | guestish | i lost =( |
| 01:42.55 | simonrvn | i lost months ago |
| 01:43.42 | flooz | no go? /m apt bugs |
| 01:43.59 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 01:43.59 | Dougmeister | guestish: what im using to chat, my athon xp2400+ machine |
| 01:44.17 | guestish | Dougmeister: nice, why dont you crosscompile on your athon for your 486? |
| 01:44.20 | guestish | Dougmeister: should be faster |
| 01:44.48 | Dougmeister | guestish: i lack the technology to make debian installer images |
| 01:45.05 | guestish | Dougmeister: im just talking about the kernel |
| 01:45.39 | dan2 | I lost |
| 01:45.41 | dan2 | :( |
| 01:45.43 | Dougmeister | guestish: yeah, i could probably do that... (hmmm) |
| 01:45.46 | dan2 | !sarge pool |
| 01:45.47 | dpkg | methinks sarge pool is Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! streuner=2005-02-28 sim0nrvn=2004-03-15 helix=2004-03-27 sharth=2004-03-03 croddy=2004-02-14 ghakko=2004-04-20 CompWizrd=103-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 beta3=WWSS peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-01-01 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin=WIR rw-rw-r--=2004-04-22 |
| 01:45.52 | guestish | Dougmeister: you would save a day of compiling |
| 01:46.12 | flooz | sometime in 2005 sounds accurate ;) |
| 01:46.12 | dan2 | guestish: but my copartner beta3 can't lose |
| 01:46.15 | echo2 | There are some sort of cron jobs in /etc/cron.*. How are they triggered? |
| 01:46.17 | guestish | dan2: hows that? |
| 01:46.27 | dan2 | beta3=WWSS |
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| 01:46.30 | guestish | WWSS? |
| 01:46.31 | guestish | !+wwss |
| 01:46.35 | dan2 | guestish: When We Say So |
| 01:46.39 | guestish | dan2: lol |
| 01:46.50 | Dougmeister | guestish: problem seems to be some bug with the ext2fs and the kernel, is there a prob with ext2 systems created on old kernels? |
| 01:46.50 | peterS | guestish: he means "when *they* say so", but is a bit mixed up on his pronouns |
| 01:46.58 | guestish | peterS: lol |
| 01:47.36 | guestish | Dougmeister: you are asking the wrong person |
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| 01:47.46 | guestish | Dougmeister: i havent used a kernel older than 2.4.18 |
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| 01:48.02 | iav | what device does the digital camera usually take? it showed up as a flash card device in fedora, how do i manually mount it in debian? |
| 01:48.06 | dan2 | guestish: 2.2 kernels are fun |
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| 01:48.14 | peterS | iav: typically it's a usb-storage device |
| 01:48.16 | Dougmeister | guestish: yeah, lol, I was so excited when 2.2 kernels came out |
| 01:48.21 | guestish | dan2: uh huh... |
| 01:48.22 | dan2 | peterS: do you think AC will ever maintain another kernel tree |
| 01:48.24 | peterS | iav: meaning, once you load the right modules, /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or similar |
| 01:48.31 | iav | k |
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| 01:48.40 | peterS | dan2: I have no idea. he's capable of it, the question is whether he wants to |
| 01:48.43 | guestish | Dougmeister: i was happy when 2.6 came out, i used -test7 for forever |
| 01:48.46 | dan2 | peterS: I bet next kernel maintainer will be al viro |
| 01:48.50 | [Outlaw] | Hey guys, anyone here familiar with ppp and pppoe in Debian stable? |
| 01:48.51 | guestish | Dougmeister: well, for a few months at least ;) |
| 01:49.00 | peterS | dan2: I'd bet on Andrew Morton |
| 01:49.06 | dan2 | peterS: again? |
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| 01:49.08 | flooz | bleh, postgresql.org seems to be down |
| 01:49.09 | Dougmeister | guestish: but I'm not giving up my 2.6 kernel either, it rocks |
| 01:49.14 | dan2 | peterS: I meant for the next tree, not 2.6 |
| 01:49.18 | peterS | dan2: he doesn't seem to have taken over 2.6 yet, but I bet he will eventually |
| 01:49.39 | iav | what about the file system for a flash card? vfat? |
| 01:49.44 | dan2 | peterS: AC had the most stable kernel tree ever |
| 01:49.47 | guestish | Dougmeister: too bad you cant use it on woody |
| 01:49.48 | peterS | iav: typically vfat |
| 01:49.48 | voltagex | I have a copy of my debian partition on /dev/hda5 but lilo says it "doesn't have a valid boot sector" |
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| 01:49.53 | dan2 | peterS: ac is amazing |
| 01:49.55 | malex | How can I properly mount /tmp onto the tempfs? |
| 01:49.55 | guestish | dan2: really? what was his kernel tree? |
| 01:49.59 | dan2 | guestish: 3 |
| 01:50.01 | dan2 | 2.2 |
| 01:50.07 | dan2 | guestish: ^ |
| 01:50.08 | guestish | dan2: whos AC btw"? |
| 01:50.10 | voltagex | how can I get lilo to boot it? |
| 01:50.11 | peterS | malex: add a line to /etc/fstab: none /tmp tmpfs defaults 0 0 |
| 01:50.12 | Dougmeister | reminds me, i just found a hack to get Debian Hurd booting on my monster box, hehe, I have Hurd again! hehe |
| 01:50.13 | aeruder | alan cox |
| 01:50.13 | dan2 | guestish: Alan Cox |
| 01:50.15 | peterS | malex: then just "mount /tmp" |
| 01:50.21 | guestish | dan2: nope, dont know him |
| 01:50.27 | echo2 | Nevermind. The answer is /etc/crontab. |
| 01:50.29 | guestish | Dougmeister: hurd? bah :) |
| 01:50.32 | peterS | guestish: neither does dan2 (: |
| 01:50.42 | [Outlaw] | I have Debian stable installed on my server, and connecting to my ISP with "pon" is fine - but as soon as I get disconnected for whatever reason, pppd throws a fit and doesn't reconnect properly. It sort of half connects, so no traffic goes through, but it doesn't reconnect until it "works." |
| 01:50.57 | dan2 | peterS: imho, marcello was good, but AC was best yet, akpm is kinda getting the hang of it. Linus is the worst kernel maintiner imo |
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| 01:51.08 | [Outlaw] | Anyone know of a fix for this? |
| 01:51.13 | [Outlaw] | Or should I upgrade to unstable? |
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| 01:51.23 | aeruder | akpm? |
| 01:51.23 | peterS | guestish: alan cox works at Red Hat and does great kernel integration work. he maintains / maintained the 2.2 kernel series after Linus handed it off, as well as the 2.0 series after about 2.0.31 or so |
| 01:51.27 | malex | peterS: Thank you. |
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| 01:51.43 | Dougmeister | guestish: hey Hurd is kinda fun to fool around with sometimes, try and compile stuff, i made a patch once that got accepted upstream to fix GNU Pth for Hurd |
| 01:51.55 | dan2 | peterS: I think he got his MBA, he is no longer on sabbatical iirc |
| 01:52.05 | gothtec | I changed .bashrc on my user on one of my computers, making a new prompt and adding some aliases. However, when I log in with ssh, the new .bashrc is not loaded automatically. I actually have to type "bash" for it to happen. Any ideas why? |
| 01:52.10 | dan2 | peterS: which means AC will return to ac patches which were a godsend |
| 01:52.11 | dan2 | :) |
| 01:52.31 | michael12345 | pppoe-server sucks with debian I just cant get it to work |
| 01:52.34 | xoz | gothtec: source .bashrc from .bash_profile |
| 01:52.41 | guestish | peterS: so is he the one who makes the red hat kernels different from every other kernel with every other distro? :) |
| 01:52.45 | peterS | aeruder: akpm == Andrew Morton |
| 01:52.54 | dan2 | guestish: no, that would be arjanv and davj |
| 01:52.55 | aeruder | ah |
| 01:52.55 | dan2 | davej |
| 01:52.59 | Dougmeister | gothtec: exactly, thats what debians .bash_profile does |
| 01:53.03 | peterS | guestish: he is a major contributor to the RH kernel tree. not the only one working on them |
| 01:53.16 | guestish | peterS: ok, ok |
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| 01:53.25 | malex | peterS: Oh. Vim now takes for ever to start a new file. Should I switch runlevels to reinit the /tmp? Maybe this mount is messing up something. |
| 01:53.31 | dan2 | peterS: not really, arjanv and davej are the maintainers of the rh tree, they say ac doesn't contribute much |
| 01:53.47 | [Outlaw] | No one has any suggestions about my ppp problem? |
| 01:53.56 | peterS | dan2: now, true. in the past, the RH tree was at least half stuff from -ac |
| 01:54.05 | aeruder | malex: i've seen that before, never did figure out why |
| 01:54.12 | aeruder | but tmpfs was sllllloooow |
| 01:54.15 | Dougmeister | gothrc: PS1='\[\e[1;30m\]<\[\e[35m\]\#\[\e[30m\]>(\[\e[31m\]\h\[\e[30m\])[\[\e[34m\]`pwd`\[\e[30m\]]\[\e[32m\] |
| 01:54.15 | dan2 | peterS: thats what made them so good in the past |
| 01:54.17 | Dougmeister | \$\[\e[0m\] ' |
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| 01:54.32 | dan2 | peterS: Id much prefer an ac patch over an mm one |
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| 01:54.48 | gothtec | Dougmeister: that worked.. However, on my laptop (this computer) .bashrc is loaded with everything in .bash_profile still commented out |
| 01:54.48 | voltagex | how can I boot from /dev/hda5 instead of /dev/hdb1? |
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| 01:54.56 | guestish | well im off |
| 01:55.02 | guestish | Dougmeister: good luck :) |
| 01:55.10 | Dougmeister | gothrc: that was the old one, new is this: |
| 01:55.14 | Dougmeister | gothrc: |
| 01:55.18 | peterS | Dougmeister: you should know that \e[0m is basically the same as \e[m |
| 01:55.22 | saminuske | crap.. I did /sbin/lilo -R chris (the alias for my custom kernel) -- and I left the good, tested kernel as the bootup default |
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| 01:55.29 | Dougmeister | gothrc:PS1='\[\e[1;30m\]<\[\e[35m\]\#\[\e[30m\]>(\[\e[36m\]\h\[\e[30m\])[\[\e[34m\]`pwd`\[\e[30m\]]\[\e[32m\] |
| 01:55.30 | saminuske | when will lilo try the default? |
| 01:55.31 | Dougmeister | \$\[\e[0m\] ' |
| 01:55.52 | malex | aeruder: I wonder why it's so slow. I thought it was the point of using it that it'd be faster than a regular /tmp filesystem. |
| 01:55.58 | gothtec | Dougmeister: why are you pasting prompts? |
| 01:56.00 | Dougmeister | peterS: thans |
| 01:56.03 | peterS | malex: it won't be much faster |
| 01:56.09 | aeruder | malex: not sure, but i have seen it before |
| 01:56.13 | peterS | malex: the nature of temp files is that they often don't ever even hit the disk at all |
| 01:56.37 | Dougmeister | gothrc: hehe for fun, I know ansi codes in my head, im an old timer |
| 01:57.00 | malex | peterS: So, it's silly of me to try using that. Ok, fine. I was just trying to squeeze some spead out of this laptop. |
| 01:57.08 | peterS | Dougmeister: I don't see any use of \e[4Xm there |
| 01:57.26 | peterS | malex: well, I use tmpfs for /tmp. I just think it likely doesn't make *much* difference |
| 01:57.38 | dan2 | peterS: thing an 8 port kvm has enough ports? ;) |
| 01:57.38 | xoz | malex: how's your disk partitioning? separate root of one root? |
| 01:57.38 | gothtec | Dougmeister: hm.. they look nice, though :) but do you have any idea why my laptop will load .bashrc automatically, while I have to uncomment a bunch of stuff in .bash_profile on my server for it to work? |
| 01:57.55 | Dougmeister | gothtec: 1 sec |
| 01:57.57 | peterS | dan2: depends on the size of your server farm, I suppose |
| 01:58.04 | peterS | dan2: it would be plenty for me |
| 01:58.12 | dan2 | peterS: yeah, its gonna be nice |
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| 01:58.35 | Dougmeister | gothrc: your .bash_profile should have this in it: |
| 01:58.45 | Dougmeister | gothrc:if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then |
| 01:58.47 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.48 | Dougmeister | fi |
| 01:58.54 | xoz | gothtec: check latest man bash.... latest bash uses .bash_profile for interactive login |
| 01:59.06 | peterS | Dougmeister: bah, save a couple of lines without sacrificing legibility: |
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| 01:59.14 | peterS | Dougmeister: test -f ~/.bashrc && source ~/.bashrc |
| 01:59.31 | Dougmeister | peterS: cool |
| 01:59.34 | gothtec | xoz: ah. so that's it |
| 01:59.58 | gothtec | peterS: send that one in to the bash package dude :) |
| 02:00.03 | xoz | gothtec: a little bit confusing... |
| 02:00.13 | peterS | gothtec: well, it's a matter of taste. some people consider mine less readable, I guess. |
| 02:00.20 | sussudio | !test |
| 02:00.21 | dpkg | No, sussudio, you're not online any more. |
| 02:00.29 | gothtec | i wish |
| 02:00.32 | FieldySnuts | !testies |
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| 02:00.42 | gothtec | :P |
| 02:00.49 | peterS | FieldySnuts: you misspelled 'snuts' |
| 02:00.52 | xoz | !testes |
| 02:01.04 | mickeyks | i want to find a message i saw scroll by shortly after booting, but it's not in dmesg. where else can i look? |
| 02:01.09 | xoz | ouch :( |
| 02:01.10 | mwilson | xoz: Uh, bash has used bash_profile for a long time. |
| 02:01.19 | FieldySnuts | lol |
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| 02:01.30 | mickeyks | also, hello |
| 02:01.34 | Dougmeister | hit scroll lock when it boots |
| 02:01.40 | xoz | mwilson: ok... i have to update my memory card :) |
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| 02:02.00 | mickeyks | Dougmeister: ok but what i really want is to be able to get a record of it later |
| 02:02.14 | malex | xoz: single root |
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| 02:02.37 | Dougmeister | mickeyks: perhaps compile the kernel for the console on a serial port, then log it on another machine |
| 02:03.04 | xoz | malex: what do ya mean? |
| 02:03.49 | malex | xoz: partitioning. root is single partition. I didn't break out var or usr or tmp. |
| 02:04.11 | tinton_ | my openssh is not letting me login using the password method. anyone run into this before? |
| 02:04.22 | malex | xoz: I just have /,/home,/boot,/backup partitions. |
| 02:04.25 | sussudio | tinton_: it hates you |
| 02:04.48 | tinton_ | i even tried copying a sshd_config from a machine where it works, and it still wont let me. |
| 02:04.52 | tinton_ | only passphrase. |
| 02:04.59 | tinton_ | I know that , sussudio. |
| 02:05.12 | tinton_ | but now I need to find out how to make it love me. |
| 02:05.19 | tinton_ | And that's exactly why i'm here. |
| 02:05.54 | xoz | malex: most of access is in root... so if you have a separate /var /usr ... it will make your root smaller.. avoid too much fragmentation... and makes access faster most of the time... /etc is often used so if it's in a small root partition... there might be some signficant speedup. |
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| 02:06.01 | mickeyks | Dougmeister: hrm. not really practical in this case. i'd rather just find a way to record it on the same machine |
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| 02:06.45 | voltagex | how do I write a boot sector (for a debian partition) to /dev/hda5? |
| 02:07.20 | walnuck | voltagex: you can use a program to do it, lilo or grub |
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| 02:07.57 | Dougmeister | mickeyks: i am not sure, but I know what you are talking about. the cpu initialization stull doesnt log on dmesg, *maybe* you could log into the console and use [shift-pgup] to scroll up in the console and then paste it into another VC running an editor? |
| 02:07.58 | voltagex | walnuck - what's the command for lilo - I have rtfm but I can't figure it out (it only talks about a master boot record) |
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| 02:08.21 | tinton_ | what about the dupilcate entry in sources.list file errors? |
| 02:08.28 | Dougmeister | mickeyks: you:d need gpm and maybe screen? |
| 02:09.05 | walnuck | voltagex: the command for lilo is very complex, man lilo |
| 02:09.40 | voltagex | man lilo gives complex information, too complex for me |
| 02:10.00 | malex | xoz: Thank you. |
| 02:10.31 | walnuck | voltagex: then see if kde can do something (preferences under login with root) |
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| 02:10.40 | Dougmeister | voltagex: I honestly would suggest getting GRUB working, its a sharp learning curve worth it |
| 02:10.42 | malex | Anyone knows how to change the default "Print Command" in the acroread? I've googled and looked into both settings and the config files already. |
| 02:10.47 | walnuck | voltagex: you can also use a floppy disk, if you want to |
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| 02:10.52 | walnuck | voltagex: that way its safer |
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| 02:11.16 | xoz | voltagex: but you can't just fish information.... expecially with something that might affect the entire partition of your harddisk.... you have to take pain to understand it... read the manual. |
| 02:11.22 | gothtec | xoz: The same machine that didn't load .bashrc automatically also doesn't seem to use /etc/vim/vimrc, where I've set "syntax on". Is this another thing that has to be in .bash_profile? |
| 02:11.25 | Dougmeister | voltagex: LILO has screwed me up a lot of times, never once since i switched to GRUB |
| 02:11.40 | xoz | gothtec: ~/.vimrc |
| 02:11.45 | walnuck | voltagex: go with the disk method, it doesn't hurt, there must be tools to help making it |
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| 02:12.25 | sussudio | heh. "Queer Eye for the Uruk-Hai" |
| 02:12.39 | debnu | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.40 | voltagex | ok then - how do I view all partitions on my computer? |
| 02:12.44 | debnu | how can i fix that? |
| 02:13.12 | Dougmeister | voltagex: make a grub boot disk, and install grub, then type this into the grub> prompt (say /boot/grub is on /dev/hda3> |
| 02:13.22 | xoz | voltagex: man fdisk |
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| 02:13.47 | mickeyks | Dougmeister: i guess it could be done that way |
| 02:14.08 | Dougmeister | voltagex: install (hd0,2)/boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0,2)/boot/grub/stage2 p (hd0,2)/boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 02:14.31 | Dougmeister | voltagex: if you learn that your system will never be unbootable again |
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| 02:15.32 | |yummy| | is there a way to create the apm module for the kernal so i can insmod it? |
| 02:15.47 | mwilson | debnu: What locale are you trying to use? |
| 02:16.33 | debnu | mwilson: im just trying to run gdesklets |
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| 02:18.20 | mick_home | what kind of bot is apt? |
| 02:18.34 | streuner | debnu: apt-get install localeconf |
| 02:18.37 | zinx | mick: a #debian bot |
| 02:18.39 | xoz | debnu: try exporting LANG=POSIX \n LC_TYPE=POSIX |
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| 02:18.46 | mick_home | zinx, no shit |
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| 02:18.59 | zinx | mick: i'd imagine it's based on blootbot or infobot |
| 02:19.03 | mick_home | i mean... was it written by someone here or is it a mozbot.... |
| 02:19.04 | farenheit451 | Is lame in debian? |
| 02:19.12 | mwilson | debnu: That's not an answer to my question. What locale are you trying to use. |
| 02:19.17 | farenheit451 | Why isn't lame in debian is what I meant to say? |
| 02:19.30 | zinx | farenheit451: it is in debian |
| 02:19.33 | mwilson | farenheit451: Because it's non-free. |
| 02:19.40 | mwilson | zinx: Since when? |
| 02:19.42 | Dougmeister | why would you need that? |
| 02:19.43 | farenheit451 | mwilson: Howso? |
| 02:19.49 | zinx | oh, crap |
| 02:19.51 | mick_home | zinx, i was thinking that someone who knows could possibly answer my question... but thanks anyway ;) |
| 02:19.55 | farenheit451 | mwilson: MP3 isn't free I know |
| 02:19.57 | zinx | i'm pulling it from a third-party repository :) |
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| 02:20.09 | mwilson | farenheit451: It isn't DFSG-free, hence it's not in Debian. |
| 02:20.22 | farenheit451 | mwilson: k. do you rip to ogg? |
| 02:20.39 | debnu | i just told you im not trying to use any locale , im just trying to run gdesklets but in /etc/locale.gen i got es_ES ISO-8859-1 |
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| 02:20.49 | mwilson | farenheit451: I don't rip at all. No reason to. |
| 02:20.58 | farenheit451 | mwilson: you just listen to cds? |
| 02:21.03 | directhex | vorbis kicks ass. need to find a good linux ripper though, am used to cdex |
| 02:21.10 | mwilson | farenheit451: Or the radio. Why? |
| 02:21.18 | farenheit451 | mwilson: just wondering |
| 02:21.23 | zinx | directhex: find a cdparanoia frontend |
| 02:21.31 | farenheit451 | directhex: lame is shown to be a better encoder |
| 02:21.42 | farenheit451 | directhex: they've done a lot of work on it |
| 02:21.46 | directhex | farenheit451, no, it isn't. not in a single test i've seen in ther past 2 years. |
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| 02:22.12 | farenheit451 | directhex: what tests you've seen? i would seriously like to see these test |
| 02:22.23 | directhex | mp3 has frequency cutoff at a rediculously audible level. it sounds consistently worse than vorbis |
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| 02:22.41 | Dougmeister | whats the recommended debian 2.4 kernel for a non-pci system? |
| 02:22.44 | Covener | farenheit451: I don't think any mp3 encoder keeps up with the newer codecs in the various audiophile shootouts |
| 02:22.52 | zinx | farenheit451: check http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/ |
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| 02:23.02 | Leprykaun | hey, may be asking this in the wrong place..but how do i make a deb from source when no deb-src is availible through apt? |
| 02:23.05 | Covener | farenheit451: which is a pretty reasonable result |
| 02:23.34 | aeruder | its a pretty complicated subject Leprykaun |
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| 02:23.42 | farenheit451 | zinx: yeah im a regular there, robertos ABX tests show lame is better. what are you talking about. |
| 02:23.51 | Dougmeister | Leprykaun: read the debian developers docs, it has a walkthrough |
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| 02:24.03 | Leprykaun | aeruder- yea, all the sites i've googled for seem alot more complex than i hoped |
| 02:24.03 | directhex | farenheit451, random example, http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1561918,00.asp |
| 02:24.05 | farenheit451 | the truth is the the codecs are all so simliar |
| 02:24.07 | Jazza | how can i configure php with sockets in debian? |
| 02:24.08 | opteek | What do I apt-get install to have a working base install of fluxbox + X? |
| 02:24.15 | zinx | farenheit451: i'm talking about the 5 billion tests that show it's not :) |
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| 02:24.28 | aeruder | opteek: apt-get install x-window-system-core fluxbox usually will work |
| 02:24.30 | Leprykaun | aeruder- will installing something from source screw up apt? |
| 02:24.40 | aeruder | Leprykaun: unless you install over other things, no |
| 02:24.42 | farenheit451 | zinx: on hydrogenaudio? |
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| 02:24.53 | aeruder | but assuming you are compiling and installing to /usr/local |
| 02:24.54 | aeruder | you're fine |
| 02:24.59 | WNight | I'm trying to play DVDs, so I tried to install libdvdcss2, but it's not in the cache, though it is referred to by other packages. Is it on an overseas source not included by default, or what? |
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| 02:25.07 | Jazza | anyone know.. i have php4 and all the php4- packages |
| 02:25.07 | Leprykaun | aeruder- im just trying to upgrade to the newest version of gaim on my girls laptop |
| 02:25.10 | Dougmeister | aeruder: hey I might try that myself for my laptop, is fluxbox fast and light? |
| 02:25.11 | zinx | farenheit451: yes, i don't recall ever seeing a test on ha that placed lame anywhere near the top |
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| 02:25.23 | hanasaki | Is this normal? -rwxr-x--- 1 root root <= regular user should not be able to remove but rm fn succeeds |
| 02:25.25 | aeruder | Leprykaun: just apt-get remove gaim and install it from source |
| 02:25.29 | Petew | hola |
| 02:25.44 | hanasaki | aeruder: gaim bug? |
| 02:25.47 | Leprykaun | aeruder- if ever i try to apt up gaim in the future, just remove the compiled version and all will be ok? |
| 02:25.48 | aeruder | Dougmeister: quite... its blackbox with tabs added, at least last time i looked |
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| 02:25.53 | Jazza | anyone pls? |
| 02:25.57 | opteek | The newest version of game is Buggy |
| 02:25.59 | aeruder | Leprykaun: of course... they can even both coexist |
| 02:26.06 | aeruder | its just that usually /usr/bin is in path before /usr/local/bin |
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| 02:26.09 | Covener | hanasaki: directory writable by the user who can remove? |
| 02:26.11 | Dougmeister | aeruder: nice, i have used blackbox in hurd, very speedy |
| 02:26.13 | mwilson | WNight: Debian doesn't package dvdcss. |
| 02:26.21 | xoz | Dougmeister: blackbox and fluxbox and openbox seem to be fast in my crusoe. |
| 02:26.23 | opteek | and why would it |
| 02:26.28 | aeruder | so yuou'd probably end up running the debian gaim |
| 02:26.30 | hanasaki | Covener: any user can rm the file but no user shuld be able to |
| 02:26.39 | hanasaki | thats the problem |
| 02:26.41 | WNight | mwilson: Okay. Do you know what source I could get it from? |
| 02:26.51 | Covener | hanasaki: I asked a question, can't help if you don't answer it |
| 02:26.53 | farenheit451 | zinx http://www.rjamorim.com/test/64test/results.html |
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| 02:26.56 | Leprykaun | aeruder- i gotcha. so the apt version would just be called before the source. |
| 02:26.57 | mwilson | WNight: No, I have no interest. |
| 02:27.14 | Leprykaun | aeruder- but its not gonna bork up the apt system like installing source on an rpm system does |
| 02:27.16 | Jazza | ..does nyone know.. i need sockets with php.. im new to debian and normally is --enable-sockets in the config but since debian doesnt compile from source.. and i have all the php4- packages i dont know.. |
| 02:27.38 | mwilson | Jazza: Debian doesn't compile from source? Odd... how do they get binaries, then? |
| 02:27.41 | hanasaki | hmm me rereads the question... yes its writeable by the user that can remove |
| 02:27.42 | Dougmeister | well, here goes nothing, potato w/ 2.0.34 -> woody w/ 2.4.18 ... hope this crap works :-) |
| 02:27.46 | Leprykaun | hanasaki- yahoo changed their protocol again. not a major bug |
| 02:27.55 | hanasaki | drwxr-x--- 154 hanasaki users |
| 02:27.55 | Jazza | .. i mean the packages.. |
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| 02:28.01 | Jazza | i cant compile with my own options |
| 02:28.04 | hanasaki | Leprykaun: ewww.. thats why i cant login |
| 02:28.10 | Covener | hanasaki: That's how file permissions work in linux, make it sticky if you don't want to avoid that behavior (man chmod) |
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| 02:28.13 | Leprykaun | hanasaki- should check the site ;) |
| 02:28.14 | mwilson | Jazza: Why can't you? |
| 02:28.15 | hanasaki | Leprykaun: they do it for a good reason or just to kick us off? |
| 02:28.29 | zinx | farenheit451: you're a dumbass |
| 02:28.29 | Jazza | how can i do it then... |
| 02:28.38 | Leprykaun | hanasaki- yahoo doesn't allow 3rd party messengers, so they change it once in a while to convuse the issue |
| 02:28.42 | [Outlaw] | I have Debian stable installed on my server, and connecting to my ISP with "pon" is fine - but as soon as I get disconnected for whatever reason, pppd throws a fit and doesn't reconnect properly. It sort of half connects, so no traffic goes through, but it doesn't reconnect until it "works." |
| 02:28.43 | zinx | farenheit451: that's comparing lame at 128kbps to everything else at ~64kbps |
| 02:28.44 | Jazza | apt-get install php4 --enable-sockets? |
| 02:28.46 | Leprykaun | s/covuse/confuse/ |
| 02:28.54 | hanasaki | Leprykaun: boo to them |
| 02:29.00 | Jazza | how do ya include options..? |
| 02:29.08 | Covener | Jazza: source packages, do some reading. |
| 02:29.20 | hanasaki | Leprykaun: i hope it gets in unstable soon .. i would run gentoo if i wanted to build all the stuff ;) |
| 02:29.23 | aeruder | Leprykaun: apt won't be screwed up by a package installed somewhere that doesn't conflict with where it installs |
| 02:29.24 | Jazza | i know what a source package is.. but i want to use deb packages |
| 02:29.28 | farenheit451 | zinx: really? |
| 02:29.32 | zinx | farenheit451: read the site. |
| 02:29.41 | farenheit451 | zinx: dude, no need to call names |
| 02:29.41 | zinx | farenheit451: it states it pretty clearly :/ |
| 02:29.45 | mick_home | Dougmeister, what "non-pc" system do you have? |
| 02:29.47 | hanasaki | thanks all |
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| 02:29.50 | Covener | Jazza: let me know how that works out for you |
| 02:29.53 | mwilson | Jazza: Then you don't know what a source package is. |
| 02:29.55 | lazarus | Jazza: man apt-get, grep for "sourcec" apparently youi don't know |
| 02:29.56 | Leprykaun | aeruder- sweet :) it hasn't really been an issue untill now, just can't find any apts for gaims latest version |
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| 02:30.07 | mick_home | Dougmeister i take it that you meant non-pc instead of "non-pci" |
| 02:30.08 | farenheit451 | zinx: i tend to have 35 tabs open so i skip things |
| 02:30.11 | Leprykaun | hanasaki- gaim get unstable? |
| 02:30.25 | Dougmeister | mich_home: oops. no non-pci |
| 02:30.28 | mwilson | Is there really a reason to care that Yahoo changed their protocol again? |
| 02:30.30 | Leprykaun | hanasaki- latest gaim in apt is .77, they are on .79 now |
| 02:30.30 | Jazza | thats what im asking is it possible to get sockets with deb packages.. |
| 02:30.42 | mwilson | It seems to be a horrendous deal for some reason. |
| 02:30.49 | mick_home | Dougmeister, so it has ISA? |
| 02:30.50 | lazarus | Jazza: man apt-get, grep for "source" apparently you don't know |
| 02:30.51 | [Outlaw] | Anyone know about my ppp problem? Or should I just switch to smoothwall? |
| 02:30.52 | aeruder | Leprykaun: sometimes if you look in incoming.debian.org |
| 02:30.54 | aeruder | you get lucky |
| 02:31.13 | aeruder | but not today |
| 02:31.15 | Leprykaun | mwilson- it doesn't matter to me, but my girl uses yahoo...and having no apt for it made me ask |
| 02:31.16 | aeruder | just checked |
| 02:31.25 | mick_home | Dougmeister, for the old systems - i recommend an older kernel |
| 02:31.31 | Dougmeister | mick_home: sort of, its a really old laptop pre-pcmcia so the internal board is all isa but no slots |
| 02:31.46 | Leprykaun | aeruder- yea, i checked a couple of pre port sites too, nothing yet |
| 02:31.55 | xoz | hanasaki: probably rm succeeded because the root file is inside the user's subdir. |
| 02:32.03 | mick_home | Dougmeister, at least have a 2.2 kernel as a backup |
| 02:32.35 | Dougmeister | mick_home: i can't seem to get a 2.2 kernel to boot, it causes a kernel panic, im stuck at 2.0.34 |
| 02:32.49 | lazarus | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.7 |
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| 02:33.06 | Leprykaun | aight, tyvm for the help aeruder :) trying to keep my deb system runing better than my rpm boxes. didn;t want something as lame as gaim to screw it up |
| 02:33.23 | [Outlaw] | Smoothwall it is |
| 02:33.35 | Dougmeister | mick_home: i'm attempting a drastic upgrade from a 2.0 kernel with potato to a 2.4 kernel with woody |
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| 02:34.06 | opteek | is Mplayer not in the the debian archives? |
| 02:34.12 | opteek | apt-get install mplayer doesn't work |
| 02:34.12 | aeruder | nope |
| 02:34.12 | mwilson | opteek: No. |
| 02:34.18 | lazarus | opteek: evil! |
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| 02:34.24 | opteek | why? |
| 02:34.29 | mickeyks | what's lame about gaim |
| 02:34.30 | Dougmeister | opteek: nope you gotta compile it from source, (its easy) |
| 02:34.33 | mwilson | opteek: It's not DFSG-free. |
| 02:34.37 | lazarus | !tell opteek about mplayer license |
| 02:34.38 | zinx | opteek: too grey in the legal area, and the mplayer maintainers don't really want it in debian anyway |
| 02:35.18 | Dougmeister | oopteek: best to compile it, you get max performance that way |
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| 02:36.00 | Dougmeister | oopteek: just keep installing dev libs until it makes |
| 02:36.12 | opteek | Dougmeister, which dev libs? |
| 02:36.33 | Dougmeister | opteek: i dunno, im using one i made a year ago still |
| 02:36.39 | xoz | opteek: try auto-apt to figure it out for you |
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| 02:37.11 | [Outlaw] | Thanks for the help... |
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| 02:37.26 | smacnay | hmmm - waimea wm. interesting |
| 02:37.27 | Covener | opteek: xvid pre4 from source, faad from apt will put you in pretty good shape,windows codecs from the mplayer site |
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| 02:38.14 | opteek | And I suppose firefox isn't in the archives either? |
| 02:38.22 | CyberPerk | hi |
| 02:38.24 | Dougmeister | sweet, im getting about 40 kB/s on this ancient D-Link de600 parport ethernet gizmo! man is it hot though! |
| 02:38.37 | lazarus | opteek: wtf is your problem? apt-cache search |
| 02:38.42 | xoz | opteek: apt-cache search firefox |
| 02:38.44 | opteek | lazarus, I did |
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| 02:38.57 | mickeyks | mozilla-firefox |
| 02:39.01 | lazarus | opteek: then why are you bothering #debian about this? |
| 02:39.08 | Dougmeister | my old laptop is chugging away trying to upgrade its brains to woody |
| 02:39.10 | code_01 | hi everyone |
| 02:39.13 | opteek | cause apt-cache search didn't show anything for me |
| 02:39.23 | mickeyks | opteek: mozilla-firefox is the name |
| 02:39.25 | lazarus | opteek: then you have your answer |
| 02:39.30 | code_01 | Where can I active my DMA HD? |
| 02:39.49 | opteek | mickeyks, is that in woody, too, Cause that's what I just updated too and mozilla-firefox doesn't show |
| 02:39.51 | xoz | code_01: apt-get install idedma |
| 02:40.08 | code_01 | is a package? |
| 02:40.12 | Dougmeister | firefox isnt in woody AFAIK |
| 02:40.15 | mickeyks | opteek: oh. it's not in woody. but i htink there's a backport |
| 02:40.39 | bztunk | sgeirbot isn't here? |
| 02:40.42 | Dougmeister | its nice though, and thunderbird and enigmail r0xx0rs as email |
| 02:40.49 | emox|mdk43vr | man |
| 02:40.50 | mickeyks | opteek: look at apt-get.org |
| 02:40.51 | emox|mdk43vr | arghhh |
| 02:40.52 | code_01 | Isn't a configuration file? |
| 02:40.54 | emox|mdk43vr | nowmy box wont opst |
| 02:40.55 | emox|mdk43vr | post |
| 02:40.56 | emox|mdk43vr | eve |
| 02:40.59 | emox|mdk43vr | :( |
| 02:41.10 | emox|mdk43vr | piece of crap |
| 02:41.19 | Dougmeister | no post? |
| 02:41.25 | emox|mdk43vr | server's fine |
| 02:41.26 | Dougmeister | push the cards in harder |
| 02:41.32 | sussudio | emox|mdk43vr: go on. you can be more obnoxious if you really try. |
| 02:41.34 | lazarus | !tell emox|mdk43vr about enter |
| 02:41.42 | Dougmeister | some card is loose |
| 02:41.46 | lazarus | !nickometer emox|mdk43vr |
| 02:41.47 | dpkg | 'emox|mdk43vr' is 45.000% lame, lazarus |
| 02:42.01 | emox|mdk43vr | really? thanks alot. i really care. |
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| 02:42.06 | mickeyks | we have a barmaid now? |
| 02:42.11 | lazarus | creddy: use the dartboard, don't be rude |
| 02:42.16 | bleh_ | opteek: there are mplayer and mencoder packages for debian that are pretty recent, just add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:42.28 | opteek | bleh_, thanks |
| 02:42.49 | |Blaze| | Anyone know of a good software raid1 install guide? I followed one a while ago, but forgot to bookmark it |
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| 02:43.03 | bztunk | |Blaze|: google |
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| 02:43.47 | CyberPerk | Every time i log in to my kde, I get these popup errors, "Could not find mime type application/octet-stream". Does anyone here know a cause? |
| 02:44.13 | Dougmeister | This is gonna be sweet if it works... my Compaq Contura 4/25c running Woody (drools) Hehe I wiped win95 off and its going to be FreeDOS and Debian forevermore! |
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| 02:44.23 | CyberPerk | <running woody |
| 02:44.30 | xoz | code_01: try apt-get install hdparm... |
| 02:44.36 | |Blaze| | bztunk: I've already tried, I can't find the one I was looking at before. I thought that maybe I'd get lucky and someone would link me to the same one |
| 02:44.36 | mickeyks | freedos? |
| 02:44.41 | Lafitte- | hahaha |
| 02:44.45 | code_01 | is there a file that I set this |
| 02:44.46 | Lafitte- | dosfree |
| 02:44.50 | code_01 | in boot process |
| 02:44.59 | xoz | code_01: /etc/default/hdparm |
| 02:45.05 | Dougmeister | mickeyks: sure freedos -> http://www.freedos.org |
| 02:45.11 | code_01 | genius |
| 02:45.21 | Goxine | Does the debian package system keep a history of changes? |
| 02:45.35 | lazarus | Goxine: no |
| 02:45.36 | opteek | no |
| 02:45.53 | tock_ | .ckear |
| 02:46.24 | Dougmeister | mickeyks: i always install a small freedos partition (for posterety) |
| 02:46.31 | xoz | Goxine: changelogs.... apt-listchanges |
| 02:46.39 | code_01 | I ist the tree |
| 02:46.48 | code_01 | but is a file |
| 02:46.54 | code_01 | I guess no |
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| 02:47.11 | anthill_ | clear |
| 02:47.43 | CyberPerk | Every time i log in to my kde, I get these popup errors, "Could not find mime type application/octet-stream". Does anyone here know a cause? |
| 02:48.33 | CyberPerk | is there a kde chat somewhere? |
| 02:48.36 | Dougmeister | mickeyks: a nice trick is to load GRUB into FreeDOS with a VFAT partition so if Linux dies you boot from a dos floppy and edit c:\boot\grub\menu.lst ; i'll leave it to you as an exercise |
| 02:48.45 | xoz | CyberPerk: paste the error in google. |
| 02:49.03 | velan | does any body know waht the package name is for xf86 4.4.0 |
| 02:49.17 | god | velan, apt-cache search xfree |
| 02:49.18 | god | ? |
| 02:49.22 | mickeyks | Dougmeister: can you use it with WINE? |
| 02:49.31 | bztunk | velan: no 4.4.0 here |
| 02:49.56 | xoz | CyberPerk: solution from google: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=20220 |
| 02:49.58 | lazarus | velan: apt-get install willneverhappen |
| 02:50.09 | velan | 4.4.0 hasn't been put into debs yet ? |
| 02:50.12 | peterS | CyberPerk: there exists a #debian-kde |
| 02:50.17 | lazarus | velan: evil license |
| 02:50.22 | aeruder | 4.3 just came out a few weeks ago |
| 02:50.23 | aeruder | heh |
| 02:50.23 | lazarus | velan: apt-get install willneverhappen |
| 02:50.26 | aeruder | :) |
| 02:50.37 | aeruder | well, more like a few months |
| 02:50.42 | Dougmeister | mickeyks: no its different, wine doesn't need it. its a real boot-to-dos kind of thing, if you want to run DOS games in Linux use DosBOX, it even runs Wing Commander Privateer |
| 02:50.44 | velan | what happend to there lincen ? |
| 02:50.53 | lazarus | velan: google |
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| 02:50.57 | bztunk | velan: someone set up us the bomb! |
| 02:51.38 | mickeyks | Dougmeister: sounds cool, but i would never use it |
| 02:51.57 | Dougmeister | mickeyks: DosBOX or FreeDOS? |
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| 02:52.21 | Guerin | velan: xfree4.4 will never be in debian |
| 02:52.28 | FieldySnuts | good |
| 02:52.30 | Guerin | velan: barring a license change, of course |
| 02:52.51 | peterS | Guerin: or, barring someone else deciding to port it to Debian |
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| 02:53.07 | lazarus | peterS: "in debian" |
| 02:53.14 | peterS | Guerin: AFAIK, it's not actually non-free - just annoying enough of a license that it may as well be |
| 02:53.21 | peterS | lazarus: debian > XSF |
| 02:53.32 | lazarus | peterS: and the licecsent is non-dfsg |
| 02:53.39 | Guerin | peterS: Not DFSG-non-free, or not GNU-non-free |
| 02:53.40 | Guerin | ? |
| 02:53.40 | peterS | lazarus: highly debatable |
| 02:53.47 | Dougmeister | mickeyks: DosBOX is really cool, check out my review -> http://www.happypenguin.org/show?DOSbox |
| 02:53.53 | mickeyks | Dougmeister: either, probably |
| 02:53.55 | Guerin | i thought it was both gnu and dfsg non-free |
| 02:54.01 | lazarus | Guerin: ditto |
| 02:54.03 | peterS | Guerin: depends on whom you ask. the license is less onerous than a lot of what's in debian |
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| 02:54.31 | Guerin | peterS: I'm learnign about the various arguments on this topic from reading -devel and -legal archives |
| 02:54.39 | peterS | Guerin: it's just *more* onerous than the previous X license, and is GPL-incompatible, which is a problem considering there's a lot of library code involved |
| 02:54.57 | peterS | FieldySnuts: shall I use your favorite phrase? |
| 02:55.01 | peterS | FieldySnuts: "just /ignore me" |
| 02:55.02 | FieldySnuts | peterS: which is? |
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| 02:56.11 | mickeyks | Dougmeister: nice review...i just don't have any interest in running that stuff though |
| 02:57.12 | Dougmeister | mickeyks: That old game is one of my favorites of all time, its kind of like Elite or something, its great to play it fullscreen in Debian |
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| 02:59.49 | opteek | would anyone running unstable be kind enough to gimme a glimpse of their sources.list |
| 03:00.14 | xoz | opteek: try apt-setup |
| 03:00.18 | debnu | i get 3 messegues like this: locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory with LC_MESSAGES and LC_ALL -.....anyone knows how to fix that? |
| 03:00.25 | mickeyks | opteek: upgrading to unstable to get firefox? |
| 03:00.28 | peterS | opteek: I think mine is at http://p12n.org/tmp/sources.list.sid |
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| 03:00.50 | peterS | opteek: it used to be, at any rate |
| 03:01.05 | rox | where are commands logged? |
| 03:01.10 | saminuske | peterS: it's there |
| 03:01.12 | xoz | debnu: export LC_MESSAGES=POSSIX ... LC_TYPE=POSSIX .... LANG=POSSIX |
| 03:01.14 | pibby | opteek: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Pei1Fr82.html |
| 03:01.19 | saminuske | rox: in your bash history |
| 03:01.28 | rox | saminuske: is that the only place? |
| 03:01.29 | Guerin | rox: ~//bash_history |
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| 03:01.33 | opteek | mickeyks, among other things, yes |
| 03:01.33 | Guerin | rox: ~/.bash_history |
| 03:01.35 | geoaxis | hello ppl |
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| 03:01.42 | Tezkah | hey geoaxis |
| 03:01.46 | rox | Guerin: thank you, but is that the only place? |
| 03:01.48 | xoz | debnu: or whatever locale.... the most common is export LANG=C |
| 03:01.51 | Guerin | geoaxis: don't you mean Hello Gentlemen!!!!1 |
| 03:01.52 | mickeyks | opteek: why not testing? |
| 03:01.55 | opteek | pibby, peterS, thanks |
| 03:02.01 | pibby | no problem opteek |
| 03:02.02 | geoaxis | any one experienced with ICS internet connection sharing |
| 03:02.05 | opteek | mickeyks, what's the point of going halfway ? :) |
| 03:02.09 | rox | Guerin: i was realy looking for something with timestamps or something |
| 03:02.12 | peterS | geoaxis: isn't that a Windows thing? |
| 03:02.14 | CyberPerk | xoz: kde error fixed, thanks. |
| 03:02.20 | geoaxis | yeah |
| 03:02.22 | Dougmeister | hehe my old 386 laptop is still apt-getting kernel-image-2.4.18-i386 -- now at 38% (waves chicken bone at it) |
| 03:02.23 | debnu | xoz: same error |
| 03:02.24 | geoaxis | but my client in Linux |
| 03:02.38 | mickeyks | opteek: for me, its that the likelihood of something important being broken is substantially less |
| 03:02.44 | Guerin | rox: I don't know, sorry |
| 03:02.53 | rox | Guerin: thank you |
| 03:03.16 | pibby | I just installed kernel 2.6.6 on my dell laptop, now the touchpad wont "tap to click." I installed the xfree86-driver-synaptics, is there a way to configure it now? anyone have experience doing this? |
| 03:03.21 | xoz | debnu: try apt-get install localeconf |
| 03:03.24 | mickeyks | god i hate that tap to click thing |
| 03:03.36 | debnu | allready have it |
| 03:03.37 | Dougmeister | so any of you tried my L4/Hurd build lately? (just curious what hackers are on) |
| 03:03.50 | mwilson | mickeyks: What're you messing with tonight, anyway> |
| 03:03.50 | rox | pibby: load the touchpad module |
| 03:04.03 | pibby | rox: how? :-/ |
| 03:04.10 | mickeyks | mwilson: the world is safe tonight. i'm reading about docbook. |
| 03:04.13 | sbk | how um, realistic is hurd development these days? |
| 03:04.15 | geoaxis | Guerin : hello gentlemen ..u mean no chicks here ..i was just genralizing for all typing creatures :P |
| 03:04.24 | mwilson | mickeyks: Ewwww... |
| 03:04.24 | Tezkah | what is the Hurd? I only know that Linus once said they're an example of why you shouldn't do drugs :\ |
| 03:04.30 | rox | pibby: my guess is that you do not have the apropriate driver loaded ... |
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| 03:04.34 | Guerin | geoaxis: my only experience with MSICS is that I couldn't get internet with a static ip for the client machines - only with dhcp. Maybe a bug, maybe I didn't try hard enough... |
| 03:04.36 | peterS | Tezkah: that's a good definition |
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| 03:04.47 | pibby | rox: how do I load the module? |
| 03:04.49 | rox | pibby: find the module that is appropriate for your touchpad and load it |
| 03:04.49 | Guerin | geoaxis: nah, it's a joke, but you didn 't get it... |
| 03:04.55 | rox | pibby: modprobe |
| 03:04.59 | mickeyks | mwilson: i want to write for the linux doc project, and that's what they use |
| 03:05.00 | rox | pibby: man modprobe |
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| 03:05.20 | pibby | k thanks rox |
| 03:05.27 | mickeyks | Guerin: what editor do you use for docbook |
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| 03:05.30 | mwilson | mickeyks: I see no reason to write in anything other than normal text. :) |
| 03:05.43 | Guerin | mickeyks: gnu emacs, of course. with psgml. |
| 03:05.45 | mwilson | mickeyks: Maybe UTF-8, if the need arises. |
| 03:05.48 | Dougmeister | *lights up a delicious tasting honking big dominican cigar and cracks a beer* This is a blast watching this ancient laptop try to upgrade to Woody |
| 03:05.49 | geoaxis | Guerin : i think DHCP is enabled and cannot be disabled |
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| 03:05.59 | mickeyks | Guerin: oh. |
| 03:06.22 | Guerin | geoaxis: then your clients need to get an ip that way. Use dhclient or pump or something |
| 03:06.27 | Guerin | mickeyks: oh? |
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| 03:06.50 | mickeyks | Guerin: I'm not into emacs...we've done this before. :) |
| 03:07.02 | xoz | pibby: check http://tuxmobil.org/touchpad_driver.html for more configurations of your tp |
| 03:07.04 | Guerin | mickeyks: I know, but YOU asked :) |
| 03:07.14 | pibby | ok xoz, thank you |
| 03:07.17 | Dougmeister | I'm going to get this thing running at least Woody, maybe even Sarge, then, forevermore shall it be |
| 03:07.54 | mwilson | You know, it'd be enough to start using irssi, just to be able to use that ignore script it has. |
| 03:08.04 | Guerin | mickeyks: I'm sure vi will do things, even Kate (in XML mode) has half-decent syntax highlighting and tax insertion... |
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| 03:08.09 | mwilson | mickeyks: Did you ever decide what client you wanted to use? |
| 03:08.42 | mickeyks | Guerin: yeah i forgot :) i'm sure vi has a macro for it or something |
| 03:09.01 | Dougmeister | Im tempted to install OO on it, but it would be dog-awfull slow (its slow on my XP2400+, a 486/25? -- eternal) |
| 03:09.04 | Guerin | mickeyks: I'd be terribly disappointed if it didn't |
| 03:09.05 | mickeyks | mwilson: not really. i'm still in irssi right now because i'm used to it |
| 03:09.37 | Guerin | Dougmeister: you don't mean Openffice...? |
| 03:09.51 | Dougmeister | Yeah OO == OpenOffice |
| 03:10.15 | mickeyks | Guerin: i'm still reading the vi manual. i don't use it often enough to remember all the keys, so i'm making myself practice more. |
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| 03:10.37 | Dougmeister | Guerin: it ran X just fine before the upgrade |
| 03:10.52 | Guerin | let alone one of the hungriest office suites known to man... |
| 03:10.52 | mickeyks | mwilson: i did install epic but then realized that i had to rtfm to even play around with it, and didn't feel like it |
| 03:10.54 | xoz | mickeyks: :help <topic > is always handy in vim |
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| 03:11.00 | mwilson | mickeyks: Did you ever see this? http://a.mongers.org/irc |
| 03:11.00 | Dougmeister | Guerin: albeit it was debian-slink |
| 03:11.13 | Guerin | Dougmeister: yeah, I guess it would. But OO.o would be pure toment. |
| 03:11.32 | davis | this is driving me crazy. i have /opt/dbox2 dir which is group writable, but when I ln -sfn /opt/dbox2 /dbox2 it gets made as a read-only perm for the group. What is the deal? |
| 03:11.34 | mwilson | mickeyks: Ah, epic's not that hard. It's rather raw, though. Most of the flash that's default in other clients only comes with a script. |
| 03:11.43 | Dougmeister | Guerin: you never know, woody might actually be faster than slink with a lean 2.4 kernel and a light X setup |
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| 03:12.04 | mickeyks | mwilson: hrm. is that page yours? |
| 03:12.08 | Tezkah | slink? |
| 03:12.13 | davis | only thing which could effect is that I have /opt mounted as a sep dir. however /opt/ and /opt/dbox2 are both g writable. |
| 03:12.27 | mickeyks | xoz: yeah, i should use that more often |
| 03:12.27 | Dougmeister | Guerin: I have slink backed up on /dev/hda1 and I'm testing the install on /dev/hda3 |
| 03:12.40 | Tezkah | ah, 2.1 |
| 03:12.51 | Tezkah | they should name the one after sarge "spock" |
| 03:12.58 | Tezkah | because that sounds neat :) |
| 03:12.59 | mickeyks | xoz: usually when i really need to edit a file, i don't want to take the time to learn the vi command to do it fast. so it's a paradox. |
| 03:13.00 | rox | how stable are 2.6 kernels? |
| 03:13.03 | Guerin | Dougmeister: yeah, might do. Hopefully it's been trimmed a bit, but featuritis might get you... |
| 03:13.06 | peterS | rox: mu |
| 03:13.13 | Guerin | rox: very |
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| 03:13.27 | mwilson | mickeyks: No, I just happen to like it. :) |
| 03:13.33 | Tezkah | they originally had trouble with geometry, destroying windows on dual boot boxes |
| 03:13.41 | Tezkah | not a bug, a feature! ;) |
| 03:13.41 | Dougmeister | Actually, I was running slink/sid -- it was an unstable version pre-potato when it got mothballed |
| 03:13.53 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:13.56 | Guerin | ancient sid |
| 03:13.57 | xoz | mickeyks: the macro recording and the first 10 tutorials will be enough 90% of your time. |
| 03:13.58 | dapper | what is the problem with gcc and linking? all my ./configures fail as 'gcc can |
| 03:14.00 | rox | peterS && Guerin: i usually waited until some 10 minor version came out |
| 03:14.07 | dapper | 'gcc can't create executables' |
| 03:14.22 | xoz | mickeyks: s/your/the/ |
| 03:14.32 | peterS | rox: that would have been a good time, in kernel 2.4. 2.4.9 was a good stable kernel, the last for quite awhile |
| 03:14.40 | peterS | rox: since 2.4.10 is where the infamous andrea mm went in |
| 03:14.54 | Guerin | rox: I've been using 2.6 series since it became stable, and I've had no problems at all - bar a couple of badly made kernels, which were my fault |
| 03:15.00 | Dougmeister | i wish i still had that drive with the debian 0.9 install, gaah, i'd be a rich man |
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| 03:15.25 | dapper | what's wrong with the gcc that one gets from apt-get install gcc? |
| 03:15.26 | rox | peterS && Guerin: i think i'll give it a shot .. thanx guys |
| 03:15.47 | Guerin | dapper: install build-essential |
| 03:15.52 | peterS | dapper: depends on what purpose you are wanting gcc for, and whether you're using stable or unstable |
| 03:15.56 | Penguin32 | hi folks, I am starting too encounter a lot of things requiring glibc2.3, was just wondering if there was any timeframe as too when this is likely too be available in the stable release? |
| 03:16.04 | dapper | should be a stable release.. thanks Guerin |
| 03:16.09 | peterS | Penguin32: /msg dpkg sarge pool |
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| 03:16.48 | rox | erm .. i'll try a stock kernel fist ... si the initrd procedure still the same? |
| 03:16.53 | dapper | Guerin: build-essential the generic package for things you need to build? |
| 03:17.00 | mwilson | mickeyks: Using vi/vim is like using emacs/xemacs... you develop muscle memory and then you don't have to worry about it any more. |
| 03:17.05 | Dougmeister | lol, this is really fun trying to upgrade slink to woody, this old laptop is providing me a lot of amusement |
| 03:17.08 | Penguin32 | peterS: yeah well, I gather from that they are still encountering some problems? |
| 03:17.10 | mickeyks | mwilson: heh. maybe the guy who wrote that site is a relative of yours? ;) |
| 03:17.18 | Tezkah | peterS=2004-05-01 ... a little premature? :P |
| 03:17.25 | Guerin | rox: initrd is in the kernel-image deb, if needed. You still need to tell lilo to use it, but grub finds it automatically |
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| 03:17.43 | peterS | Tezkah: give me a break. when did *you* think it would come out, if you were predicting this back in September 2003? |
| 03:17.47 | rox | Guerin: ok, so that's unchanged |
| 03:17.53 | Tezkah | heheh, I'm just kidding |
| 03:17.55 | Tezkah | I have no idea |
| 03:17.58 | peterS | Tezkah: very few people predicting the release back in September did any better than I |
| 03:18.00 | Dougmeister | ahh, i know, ... the laptop can never run sarge probably |
| 03:18.02 | rox | Guerin: thank you |
| 03:18.04 | dapper | thanks a lot.. so simple, I love it. |
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| 03:18.14 | peterS | Tezkah: now, naturally, someone predicting it *now* will do a lot better than I did back then |
| 03:18.15 | Tezkah | I have no idea *now* :P |
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| 03:18.16 | mickeyks | mwilson: yeah...so far that muscle memory hasn't taken for me much beyond basic navigation and insertion/deletion |
| 03:18.16 | Guerin | Penguin32: http://debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 03:18.33 | mwilson | mickeyks: I doubt it. I'd be extremely surprised if anyone in my family has heard of anything other than Windows. |
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| 03:18.43 | Guerin | rox: enjoy :) |
| 03:18.43 | Dougmeister | i need the xf86-3.3.3 -> xf86-4.x ported package to run X |
| 03:18.59 | rox | Guerin: erm ... are there any docs to read before i move to the 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:19.06 | mickeyks | mwilson: really? and you don't tell them? |
| 03:19.08 | rox | guruman: any pitfalls? |
| 03:19.16 | geoaxis | how can i get my eth to route a certain ip without adding a new route |
| 03:19.19 | Dougmeister | Compaq AVGA graphics, 640x480x8bpp yeah baby! |
| 03:19.21 | mwilson | mickeyks: Ah, you'll get there. I've been using vim happily since Jan 2000 and I'm still learning it. |
| 03:19.29 | peterS | geoaxis: that's what a new route *is* |
| 03:19.34 | Guerin | rox: yeah, grab the kernel-doc-2.6.foo deb as well as the kernel-image |
| 03:19.36 | Penguin32 | Guerin: will have a look thanks. I am starting too get a little frustrated with everything that is getting ahead of the stable release, I don't think this is very good behaviour too releases binary packages later than what is in common use |
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| 03:19.46 | mwilson | mickeyks: Oh, no, not at all. I've grown up and no longer recommend software to people. |
| 03:19.50 | rox | Guerin: thank you |
| 03:20.03 | mwilson | mickeyks: Not whole paradigms, anyway. |
| 03:20.14 | Guerin | Penguin32: there are more important things than keeping up with the joneses |
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| 03:20.47 | dan2 | mwilson is the equiavalent of asuffield and al viro these days |
| 03:20.58 | mwilson | dan2: Hm? |
| 03:21.11 | dan2 | mwilson: same personality |
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| 03:21.21 | mwilson | dan2: I've never met either one. |
| 03:21.24 | Dougmeister | Well, I better go log in as dungeonmaster into Neverwinter Nights and rain some holy hell down while my laptop slurps up its new brains. Back later with a status report. |
| 03:21.31 | dan2 | mwilson: you should |
| 03:21.32 | geoaxis | peterS :i am trying to get my eth to route to a ICS server (Win XP 192.168.0.1) |
| 03:21.37 | Penguin32 | Guerin: I think you misunderstand, I was saying I think program developers should release binary packages for the current stable release or not bother at all, its silly too release binaries that arn't going too be in common use |
| 03:21.50 | dan2 | geoaxis: are you on crack? |
| 03:21.53 | peterS | geoaxis: that sounds like you probably just want a default route |
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| 03:22.07 | mwilson | dan2: I'm trying very hard to just use /ignore when I would normally reach for a caustic comment. |
| 03:22.13 | Guerin | Penguin32: when the binaries for stable were released, they WERE going to be in common use |
| 03:22.18 | Penguin32 | if people are skilled enough too be jumping ahead of the stable release then they hardly need help in producing the debs do they? |
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| 03:22.25 | geoaxis | dan2 : no ..wish i was ...but really need to get this done b4 i chill out |
| 03:22.25 | mwilson | Hm, 10 people in the list at the moment. |
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| 03:22.28 | dan2 | mwilson: the caustic comments are better |
| 03:22.35 | dan2 | !punctuation |
| 03:22.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, punctuation is bad |
| 03:22.40 | xoz | mickeyks: the power of vi is in regular expression... checkout :help usr_12 |
| 03:22.50 | relux__ | Any problems with key bindings in X in sid? I dont seem to have any key bindings that work.. cant even ctrl alt backspace out of X |
| 03:22.59 | Tezkah | ouch |
| 03:23.03 | mwilson | dan2: Why? I'm also trying to keep in mind that no matter what you do, the clueless will remain clueless. |
| 03:23.08 | dan2 | mwilson: asuffield and viro will still use caustic comments |
| 03:23.13 | Guerin | Penguin32: aside from security updates, stable practically doesn't change at all, once frozen. So the issue is that you think stable is too old to be of any use? Many, many server admins the world over would disagree... |
| 03:23.14 | dan2 | mwilson: :) |
| 03:23.25 | mwilson | relux__: The umpteen bugs are filed against xlibs in the BTS for a reason. |
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| 03:24.08 | relux__ | hard to search for a bug when you dont have any clue what package it the cause |
| 03:24.08 | Penguin32 | Guerin: not at all, I am happy with Debians release policity, I am saying that I would appreciate it if others kept in sinc with them |
| 03:24.17 | farenheit451 | mwilson: some learn the hard way |
| 03:24.32 | farenheit451 | mwilson: they do learn, like me |
| 03:24.43 | Justin | some don't learn :) |
| 03:24.51 | skorpfox | hello peoples |
| 03:24.55 | mwilson | relux__: Amazingly enough, I just gave you the package. Also, the umpteen messages posted to d-u, d-d, and d-x are probably a good indicator. |
| 03:25.07 | farenheit451 | mwilson: do you run unstable? |
| 03:25.08 | relux__ | mwilson: yeah, i am looking now.. that I know the package.. thanks |
| 03:25.11 | Guerin | Penguin32: Which others? I'm curious, because you mentioned running into packages wanting libc6 2.3 - that says to me that they're not woody packages |
| 03:25.15 | Tezkah | John Titor would use debian-stable ;) |
| 03:25.23 | mwilson | farenheit451: On a couple of boxes. |
| 03:25.31 | peterS | Tezkah: what would brian boitano do? |
| 03:25.37 | mwilson | farenheit451: Testing on another, stable on another. |
| 03:25.47 | Penguin32 | Guerin: that is true, the current one is a non debian in yahoo messanger, but I have run into other things in recent times too |
| 03:25.50 | rox | xoz: newbies are after the bells and whistles of latest software ... admins are after the stability of the stable branch |
| 03:26.02 | Dougmeister | You guys play neverwinter nights? |
| 03:26.08 | peterS | farenheit451: btw, is your nick supposed to be a troll for spelling nazis? |
| 03:26.44 | xoz | rox: true... life is full of tradeoffs.... can't have everything :) |
| 03:26.47 | mickeyks | xoz: thanks i'll look at that...i'm not very good with regular expressions |
| 03:26.50 | Guerin | Penguin32: it sounds like testing might be more appropriate for you, if you need IM apps and so on... you might be able to find backports, but frankly I'm not sure why anyone would bother making them for woody |
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| 03:26.57 | Dougmeister | I'm a DM on a persistant world, (using the linux client in Debiab) |
| 03:27.13 | Guerin | peterS: I was going to say something, too... |
| 03:27.29 | peterS | Guerin: so, the English teacher noticed as well |
| 03:27.42 | Xenguy_ | peterS: I'm looking forward to seeing the film Farenheit911 (if it ever gets distributed here) |
| 03:27.49 | Penguin32 | Guerin: I am just puzzled why a company like yahoo would release a package compiled against something that currently is not even released as stable |
| 03:27.51 | skorpfox | is that out yet? |
| 03:27.54 | Guerin | peterS: I was a spelling/grammar nazi long before I became an english teacher :) |
| 03:28.01 | peterS | Guerin: ah, ok |
| 03:28.05 | peterS | Guerin: so was I |
| 03:28.13 | Dougmeister | Eek, I'm a mechanical engineer |
| 03:28.14 | Penguin32 | how stable is the testing branch? |
| 03:28.14 | skorpfox | Xenguy_: is that out yet? I want to really see it too |
| 03:28.16 | peterS | Guerin: (since I never have become an English teacher) |
| 03:28.28 | mwilson | dan2: At the risk of offending someone here, I've come to feel that it's easier to ignore the clueless and let them kill themselves off, and pay attention to what's interesting. So I'm changing my on-line personality by degrees. |
| 03:28.28 | skorpfox | Hola Guerin |
| 03:28.30 | dan2 | Penguin32: as stable as you standing a ball |
| 03:28.45 | Tezkah | :O |
| 03:28.48 | somiaj | Penguin32: its fairly stable, though the main problem with testing is *NO* security updates. |
| 03:28.49 | Xenguy_ | skorpfox: Some company in the States committed to distributing it after Disney wouldn't - that's about all I know ATM |
| 03:28.50 | dan2 | mwilson: bah, its more interesting the other way around but whatever |
| 03:28.54 | Guerin | Penguin32: because most people using yahoo IM aren't using a 2.5 year old OS - if you were running testing or unstable, I'm sure it would work |
| 03:29.15 | Guerin | peterS: it's important to have principles :) |
| 03:29.16 | mwilson | dan2: It's more fun, but it's not more interesting. |
| 03:29.17 | skorpfox | Xenguy_: So its still being put out, just really slow. I figured it would have been on Donkey by now |
| 03:29.24 | Penguin32 | Guerin: true, but I was trying too stay with stable as I want my system too be stable |
| 03:29.29 | dan2 | mwilson: right |
| 03:29.34 | xoz | mickeyks: vi lets me format 1000+ files automatically using less commands and keys. |
| 03:29.48 | Dougmeister | *sigh* here we go, the Red Hand is about to do some really evil things... (back later - gonna DM neverwinter for a few) |
| 03:29.50 | dan2 | mwilson: Ill paypal you 25 bucks if you do it a lot this next month |
| 03:29.52 | Guerin | Penguin32: Yeah. Good luck to you :) |
| 03:29.54 | Xenguy | skorpfox: heh - dunno about that, but yeah, really want to see it when I can |
| 03:29.57 | bob2 | dan2: um. |
| 03:29.59 | mwilson | dan2: If I do what a lot? |
| 03:30.02 | bob2 | dan2: do I even need to say anything? |
| 03:30.08 | dan2 | mwilson: flame people :) |
| 03:30.09 | somiaj | Penguin32: you might be able to find backports for the few apps you may want newer than stable offers. |
| 03:30.16 | bob2 | mwilson: and we all appreciate it (seriously). |
| 03:30.16 | dan2 | bob2: no, but I miss old mwilson |
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| 03:30.22 | mwilson | dan2: You're not helping. |
| 03:30.27 | harlequin_ | whats the freenode help channel name? |
| 03:30.34 | Penguin32 | somiaj: not when its a closed source product |
| 03:30.34 | skorpfox | Xenguy: yea definantly, looks pretty funny from the trailer. Another one that I want to see but I cannot find is " A day without mexicans " looks pretty funny |
| 03:30.36 | bob2 | harlequin_: #freenode. |
| 03:30.48 | somiaj | Penguin32: ahh... |
| 03:30.52 | bob2 | dan2: then join alt.flame or something, this is utterly inapproriate for #debian |
| 03:31.00 | xoz | mickeyks: i even use it to preprocess statistical data instead of worksheets progs.... it saves me days of work....really :) |
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| 03:31.02 | dan2 | bob2: guess so |
| 03:31.04 | mickeyks | xoz: what's the fastest way to comment/uncomment lines in config files? |
| 03:31.14 | Justin | mickeyks: perl/sed/vim/ |
| 03:31.17 | Xenguy | skorpfox: /me googles |
| 03:31.28 | Penguin32 | so if I did upgrade too testing, how much downloading would be involved? quite a bit I would expect |
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| 03:31.41 | bob2 | dan2: I would not suggest anyone model their personality on either of those two people. |
| 03:31.44 | mickeyks | Justin: you mean any of the three, or in combination with each other? |
| 03:31.49 | bob2 | Penguin32: ~few hundred meg. |
| 03:31.50 | Guerin | Penguin32: practically your whole system |
| 03:31.53 | mwilson | mickeyks: www.vim.org has several scripts that'll handle stuff like that for you, I think there are ones that're syntax-sensitive. |
| 03:31.55 | dan2 | bob2: heh |
| 03:31.56 | geoaxis | ok |
| 03:31.58 | xoz | mickeyks: CTRL-V .... you're in column visual..... go down.... the shift-I .... insert comment... and boom. |
| 03:32.00 | geoaxis | ppl here is the deal |
| 03:32.00 | mwilson | bob2: I'm not. |
| 03:32.02 | Penguin32 | too much then |
| 03:32.06 | Jambon | what's this with the sarge installer? on the channel they say not to use the beta 4 installer? |
| 03:32.07 | harlequin_ | bob2: ta |
| 03:32.10 | dan2 | bob2: in any chance, Ill lose a flame war with all three of them |
| 03:32.11 | Guerin | Penguin32: you on dial-up/ |
| 03:32.17 | Xenguy | Penguin32: I used to do this on dialup - it just takes a weekend ;-) Start downloading when you go to bed -- lather, rinse, repeat |
| 03:32.23 | Penguin32 | Guerin: no got ADSL 256/64 |
| 03:32.24 | mwilson | Jambon: d-i is now at rc1, not b4. |
| 03:32.26 | geoaxis | i can get a ping but i cannot get aby HTTP response from ICS |
| 03:32.28 | geoaxis | any suggestions |
| 03:32.34 | peterS | dan2: that's like your goal in life, isn't it? |
| 03:32.36 | Guerin | Penguin32: ah, one night should di it then |
| 03:32.43 | mickeyks | mwilson, xoz i'll check those out |
| 03:32.46 | bob2 | mwilson: oh, I know, I'm trying to steer dan2 away from such silliness |
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| 03:32.58 | xoz | mickeyks: :help ^V |
| 03:33.05 | Penguin32 | Guerin: are there any iso images of it? |
| 03:33.06 | dan2 | peterS: definetly |
| 03:33.07 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:33.12 | skorpfox | Xenguy: http://www.esmas.com/adaywithoutamexican/dos.html |
| 03:33.22 | Guerin | Penguin32: yeah, but that would require you to reinstall from scratch |
| 03:33.35 | Jambon | mwilson: where can i get it? on the site it still says beta 4 |
| 03:33.36 | mwilson | mickeyks: Did you ever give any thought to using vimIRC? |
| 03:33.47 | OctalTHOR | Sigh, are there any apt sources that have up-to-date versions of gaim? |
| 03:33.51 | Guerin | Penguin32: better to just upgrade - take a backup before starting, if you value your config |
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| 03:33.58 | OctalTHOR | The one indicated in dpkg's gaim factoid doesn't work (anymore?) |
| 03:34.01 | Jawoota | OctalTHOR: erm, unstable? |
| 03:34.01 | Penguin32 | Guerin: possbily but I would not have too sit here and baby sit it all night either |
| 03:34.10 | Guerin | !info gaim sid |
| 03:34.13 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:0.77-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2624 kB, Installed size: 6908 kB |
| 03:34.15 | OctalTHOR | Jawoota : Unstable is currently 2 versions out of date. |
| 03:34.28 | Guerin | I think 0.79 has the new yahoo protocol |
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| 03:34.29 | Jawoota | OctalTHOR: hmm |
| 03:34.39 | Jawoota | OctalTHOR: try compiling it yourself then ;) |
| 03:34.43 | Jawoota | not that big of a deal |
| 03:34.46 | OctalTHOR | Jawoota : I know. |
| 03:34.55 | OctalTHOR | But that really doesn't answer my question about an apt source, eh? |
| 03:34.56 | beastmaster | !seen god |
| 03:34.56 | dpkg | god <~god@host-24-225-171-246.patmedia.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 45m 36s ago, saying: '?'. |
| 03:35.02 | Jawoota | OctalTHOR: certainly not. |
| 03:35.02 | mwilson | I can never find d-i off the main web page. |
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| 03:35.06 | beastmaster | !seen satan |
| 03:35.07 | dpkg | beastmaster: i haven't seen 'satan' |
| 03:35.11 | OctalTHOR | Just so long as we understand each other. |
| 03:35.19 | Penguin32 | so what do I put in the apt sources too work from testing? |
| 03:35.20 | Guerin | OctalTHOR: I haven't heard of any yet - look in experimental, I'd expect this to be fixed pretty fast |
| 03:35.25 | bob2 | tinc is awesome. |
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| 03:35.27 | Xenguy | skorpfox: heh - I'm starting to get it :-) |
| 03:35.31 | bob2 | Penguin32: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
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| 03:35.37 | Jawoota | OctalTHOR: however, iirc, Robot101 has an unofficial pre-unstable repository on p.d.o |
| 03:35.39 | Guerin | OctalTHOR: but the real lesson here is: don't use proprietary communication protocols |
| 03:35.41 | skorpfox | Xenguy: heh |
| 03:35.41 | mickeyks | mwilson: i don't know how. i figured i'd look at it when i got far enough into a vim manual to read about it |
| 03:35.44 | OctalTHOR | Jawoota : No, it's gone. |
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| 03:36.01 | Penguin32 | bob2: thx |
| 03:36.02 | OctalTHOR | Guerin : I don't use Yahoo.. I just want to be up-to-date with software that I do, however, use almost continuously. |
| 03:36.09 | OctalTHOR | E: Release 'expeirmental' for 'gaim' was not found |
| 03:36.22 | dim1 | OctalTHOR: then do it yourself? |
| 03:36.29 | abydos | Are there apt sources for expiremental software? |
| 03:36.30 | mwilson | hm, I could have sworn there was an rc1 of d-i. |
| 03:36.35 | OctalTHOR | dim1 : Once again, that does not answer my question about an up-to-date apt source. |
| 03:36.36 | mwilson | My mistake. |
| 03:36.37 | Justin | mwilson: tc1 |
| 03:36.40 | Guerin | OctalTHOR: why? If you don't need the functionality, why upgrade? |
| 03:36.45 | skorpfox | WILSON!!!!!!! |
| 03:36.50 | somiaj | abydos: /msg dpkg expiremental (though its usually a bad idea to use them) |
| 03:36.51 | bob2 | mwilson: it's test candidate 1, rc rc 1 ;) |
| 03:36.56 | Jawoota | OctalTHOR: I think you have so far failed to realize that we can't provide you with an answer. |
| 03:36.57 | Guerin | !different answer |
| 03:36.58 | dpkg | You only get one answer per question. You've had yours. If you want a different answer, ask a different question. Thankyou for your cooperation, HAND. |
| 03:37.01 | farenheit451 | mwilson: why isn't mpg321 non-free? are mp3 decoders okay to make? |
| 03:37.15 | OctalTHOR | Guerin : Heh, the issue is, it's not an answer. |
| 03:37.16 | Jawoota | OctalTHOR: There are no apt sources with an updated version of gaim, apparently |
| 03:37.16 | Guerin | no, I've answered it: the answer is no. HAND. |
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| 03:37.20 | bob2 | OctalTHOR: gaim isn't in experimental, shockingly. |
| 03:37.26 | peterS | farenheit451: depends on whom you ask. Fraunhofer claims they're not free, other people have concluded that the patents don't apply |
| 03:37.49 | abydos | Can you set experimental packages on only certain packages? |
| 03:37.50 | mwilson | farenheit451: mpg123 is non-free because of its license. |
| 03:37.51 | farenheit451 | peterS: don't apply to decoders? |
| 03:37.55 | dan2 | bob2: the onlything more experimental than gaim is mozilla and xmms |
| 03:37.56 | bob2 | people seem to generally agree that patents apply to encoding. |
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| 03:37.59 | peterS | farenheit451: right |
| 03:38.01 | mwilson | farenheit451: mpg321 is free, because of its license. |
| 03:38.04 | Guerin | OctalTHOR: yes it is: there isn't a debian repository with the NEWEST version of gaim. |
| 03:38.06 | bob2 | dan2: xmms is using gtk *1*. |
| 03:38.12 | peterS | farenheit451: I think it's basically undisputed that fraunhofer holds patents on encoding mp3s |
| 03:38.16 | farenheit451 | mwilson: understood. i was just wondering if mp3 decoders were "free" |
| 03:38.16 | dan2 | bob2: xmms crashes more than gaim |
| 03:38.25 | bob2 | dan2: can't get less experimental than that, unless you hit Motif. |
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| 03:38.34 | bob2 | dan2: file bugs, but I bet it's the plugin's fault. |
| 03:38.35 | farenheit451 | peterS: right. so decoding is a totally different realm i gather. |
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| 03:38.48 | mwilson | farenheit451: Not according to the letter of the law, but see bob2's comments. |
| 03:38.48 | Guerin | farenheit451: yes |
| 03:38.49 | abydos | As in, use experimental packages only on say, firefox, xchat, and certian other select packages |
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| 03:38.58 | peterS | farenheit451: so it would seem. I know nothing about signal processing so I'm not in a position to even begin to study the patents involved |
| 03:39.04 | bob2 | xmms-speex used to crash it like a mofo, until valgrind showed the error of the double-free(). |
| 03:39.04 | Guerin | farenheit451: now correct the spelling in your nick before I smite you... |
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| 03:39.35 | farenheit451 | Guerin: hmm... how is it spelled? |
| 03:39.41 | abydos | fahrenheit |
| 03:39.43 | abydos | not farenheit |
| 03:39.47 | Guerin | !spell farenheit |
| 03:39.48 | dpkg | possible spellings for farenheit: Fahrenheit |
| 03:39.53 | abydos | Es ist deutsche |
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| 03:40.01 | Justin | (%:~)- egrep -i "^f.*r.*n.*h.*t" /usr/share/dict/words |
| 03:40.01 | Justin | Fahrenheit |
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| 03:40.37 | bob2 | named after Johannes Fahrenheit, who was named after the temperature scale |
| 03:40.40 | Grant__ | configure:1791: error: C compiler cannot create executables <-- What does this error mean, obviously im missing a package??? |
| 03:40.42 | bleh_ | is experimental the same as testing? |
| 03:40.50 | bob2 | it's based on the melting point of human flesh |
| 03:40.53 | fahrenheit451 | thanks guys |
| 03:40.53 | bob2 | bleh_: no. |
| 03:40.53 | mwilson | bleh_: Of course not. |
| 03:40.57 | Jawoota | bleh_: heh, no |
| 03:41.01 | Guerin | Grant__: install build-essential |
| 03:41.29 | Grant__ | Guerin how do you get so smart :P |
| 03:41.31 | peterS | bob2: hehe |
| 03:41.35 | bleh_ | ok, where can i get experimental packages (im looking for firefox 0.9)? |
| 03:42.08 | bob2 | !+info mozilla-forefox experimental |
| 03:42.10 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:42.24 | Jawoota | !+info mozilla-firefox |
| 03:42.29 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 0.8-12 (sid), Packaged size: 10100 kB, Installed size: 29460 kB |
| 03:42.37 | Jawoota | hmm |
| 03:42.43 | Guerin | Grant__: I'm not smart, I'm barely average in here. Dunno what that makes you though... |
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| 03:42.45 | dpkg | Package 'mozilla-forefox' does not exist. |
| 03:42.50 | bob2 | bleh_: packages don't magically appear in experimental |
| 03:42.53 | Penguin32 | will it upgrade ok from stable too testing with X running or should I do it from the console? |
| 03:42.57 | Jawoota | !+info mozilla-firefox experimental packages |
| 03:42.59 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:43.00 | dpkg | Package 'mozilla-firefox experimental packages' does not exist. |
| 03:43.02 | pibby | rox and xoz: got the synaptics touchpad working, thanks again for your help :) |
| 03:43.06 | bob2 | and firefox 0.9 is one of those packages thyat's not magically in there. |
| 03:43.10 | bleh_ | ok i thought it might be there |
| 03:43.14 | xoz | bob2: experimental is a flesh-trade industry? :) |
| 03:43.15 | bob2 | Penguin32: that's fine. |
| 03:43.18 | Jawoota | bleh_: best bet is to compile it yourself. |
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| 03:43.21 | Penguin32 | bob2: thx |
| 03:43.34 | bob2 | no |
| 03:43.37 | bleh_ | Jawoota: ok thanks |
| 03:43.43 | bob2 | don't compile it, the build will take seventeen years |
| 03:43.48 | bob2 | get the binary from mozilla.org |
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| 03:43.55 | Jawoota | bob2: oh yeah ;) |
| 03:43.56 | xoz | .... and counting. |
| 03:44.02 | Guerin | best bet is to just use 0.8 until the deb comes out |
| 03:44.06 | Grant__ | Guerin you and Peters are the only people answering most of the time heh.. |
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| 03:44.25 | Grant__ | Guerin you and peters are the only one's who are ever right aswell lol |
| 03:44.26 | bob2 | apparently 0.9 is more crashy than 0.8, tho |
| 03:44.26 | Jambon | since yast was just opensourced, how long do you think it will take before a yast debian installer comes out? |
| 03:44.38 | bob2 | Jambon: haha |
| 03:44.39 | Guerin | Grant__: that is quite plainly not true |
| 03:44.39 | peterS | Grant__: thanks (: that's an exaggeration, though, you know |
| 03:44.55 | bob2 | debian needs another installer like it needs a 97th arsehole |
| 03:45.01 | mwilson | Jambon: Until someone sees the need to write one. |
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| 03:45.18 | Guerin | bob2: the sarge installer is going to be the one installer to rule them all, I hear |
| 03:45.18 | Penguin32 | is there someway you can get the system too list all installed packages? |
| 03:45.23 | Grant__ | Guerin / peterS well, i dont see much other people answering all the time like you's both do.. Jesus just take the compliment :) Your good ! |
| 03:45.32 | Jawoota | Jambon: debian already has a number of different installers which all suck |
| 03:45.32 | Guerin | Penguin32: dpkg -l |grep ii |
| 03:45.41 | mwilson | grep ^ii |
| 03:45.44 | Guerin | Grant__: cheers :) |
| 03:45.45 | mwilson | Not just ii |
| 03:45.48 | Guerin | !beer me |
| 03:45.54 | Guerin | !beer peterS |
| 03:46.00 | Penguin32 | I know this list is gonan be huge lol |
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| 03:46.03 | bob2 | Jambon: someone did claim to be packaging it for debian |
| 03:46.04 | peterS | hey! thanks! |
| 03:46.08 | Guerin | damnit, who got the good end of that |
| 03:46.10 | mwilson | ew |
| 03:46.18 | Jambon | guerin: at last check the sarge installer is still pretty bare, and now it won't detect windows partitions, which sux in my case |
| 03:46.33 | peterS | Jambon: it's supposed to detect windows partitions |
| 03:46.36 | Jawoota | Jambon: lose Windows then ;) |
| 03:46.39 | Guerin | Penguin32: add > installed.list, then read or grep the file at your leisure |
| 03:46.41 | peterS | Jambon: that feature was added *fairly* recently, though |
| 03:46.42 | mwilson | Why does it need to 'detect' them? All it needs to do is leave them alone. |
| 03:46.58 | Guerin | Jambon: it's not finished. I did use the future tense... |
| 03:47.01 | Grant__ | Sarge installer is awesome |
| 03:47.04 | Grant__ | !beer me |
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| 03:47.09 | Penguin32 | Guerin: good idea thx |
| 03:47.09 | Grant__ | haha |
| 03:47.10 | Grant__ | :D |
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| 03:47.29 | Jambon | peterS: i just asked on debian-boot and they said that grub fails to detect windows partitions |
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| 03:47.42 | bob2 | why would grub detect windows partitions? |
| 03:47.48 | bob2 | os-prober is in charge of that |
| 03:47.51 | Jambon | or whatever |
| 03:47.54 | peterS | Jambon: no |
| 03:48.03 | bob2 | then file a bug, since it's supposed to be able to do that |
| 03:48.04 | peterS | Jambon: what joeyh said was "if you care about that, use a daily build" |
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| 03:48.35 | Jambon | the point is that i'm not going through the disconnect-the-windows-hd-and-use-a-boot-floppy crap i went through last time |
| 03:48.41 | Guerin | that man is working hard on this installer |
| 03:49.01 | peterS | Guerin: he's not a man. I think he's an Alan Cox style cluster |
| 03:49.15 | Guerin | Jambon: why do you have to install it again? Haven't you installed debian already? |
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| 03:49.20 | Grant__ | Guerin works, my irc now configuring :) Thanks mate, im off enjoy your Beers!! |
| 03:49.27 | Guerin | peterS: heh. jhe's a mongolian horde, all by himself... |
| 03:49.33 | Grant__ | erm eggdrop rather.. |
| 03:49.41 | Guerin | !win Grant__ |
| 03:49.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, Grant__! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 03:49.49 | peterS | Guerin: basically, yeah |
| 03:49.56 | mwilson | If it ever comes time for me to have to install Debian again after Sarge, I'll install oBSD. |
| 03:50.01 | Jambon | gurerin: did yes. but i managed to kill it. |
| 03:50.22 | Guerin | Jambon: how on earth? |
| 03:50.27 | Grant__ | LOL @ Guerin |
| 03:50.34 | skill | have question |
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| 03:50.39 | Grant__ | Guerin oops one more question "Tcl cannot be found on this system." |
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| 03:50.50 | Guerin | skill: ask |
| 03:50.51 | bob2 | mwilson: no one can take bf away from you |
| 03:51.05 | peterS | Grant__: you probably want to either (a) install tcl8.3 or (b) figure out why you even need tcl, which most people don't |
| 03:51.14 | Jambon | guerin: oh ya. believe me i can destroy just about anything without any thought. actually i think that's why i destroy so much |
| 03:51.24 | skill | have a lots of problems when i try to use opera |
| 03:51.38 | skill | the bowser obviously |
| 03:51.38 | Grant__ | peterS need it to add add-on scripts for my eggdrop.. |
| 03:51.39 | Guerin | skill: you have lots of problems if you WANT to use opera... |
| 03:52.01 | peterS | Grant__: extension scripts in TCL? gee, I'm sorry you have to go through that |
| 03:52.03 | Xenguy | skill: just use Firefox and be happy :-) |
| 03:52.09 | Guerin | Jambon: got a shotgun? |
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| 03:52.17 | Jambon | guerin: nope |
| 03:52.21 | Guerin | Jambon: :( |
| 03:52.24 | Jambon | i though about microwaving them |
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| 03:52.38 | mrchopper | hi all |
| 03:52.47 | Grant__ | peterS, argh still didnt work.. |
| 03:52.55 | Jambon | if i had a tesla coil i'd have tons of fun....but alas |
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| 03:53.09 | skorpfox | firefox = bizwham |
| 03:53.33 | xoz | !fire |
| 03:53.33 | dpkg | methinks fire is "Give a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day; Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life" |
| 03:53.40 | xoz | !fox |
| 03:53.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, fox is a dog-like animal which eats chickens |
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| 03:53.58 | skorpfox | hey...I eat cooked ones |
| 03:54.15 | skorpfox | raw chickens are just too chewy |
| 03:54.27 | Guerin | skorpfox: well, the fire in the fox would cook them too |
| 03:54.27 | Grant__ | Needs to find "libtcl.so" but i did a "whereis" and it's not on my system, but not sure what package its in.. |
| 03:54.31 | Grant__ | !dpkg libtcl.so |
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| 03:54.36 | Grant__ | bah |
| 03:54.37 | Grant__ | lol |
| 03:54.37 | Guerin | skorpfox: so I guiess you must be a firefox |
| 03:54.41 | Grant__ | !dpkg libtcl |
| 03:54.42 | dpkg | somebody said libtcl was library of Tottaly Crappy Language |
| 03:54.45 | skorpfox | Guerin: hehehe |
| 03:54.48 | Grant__ | lol |
| 03:54.58 | Guerin | Grant__: you ned the dev libs too, I expect |
| 03:55.02 | mrchopper | I have a n00b question that should be pretty easy to answer... |
| 03:55.13 | Guerin | mrchopper: as it then |
| 03:55.14 | mwilson | bob2: No one can take bf away, but if there's no installer being built with it, it gets harder and harder to use. |
| 03:55.15 | Xenguy | mrchopper: famous last words ;-) |
| 03:55.18 | Guerin | ask |
| 03:55.18 | mrchopper | :P |
| 03:55.26 | mrchopper | How the heck do I automount stuff? |
| 03:55.27 | skorpfox | Guerin: is the name fox a preprietary female name? |
| 03:55.43 | mwilson | bob2: What's really getting me down is all the religious mania recently. I don't use Debian for that. |
| 03:55.49 | skorpfox | Guerin: I use my real name everywhere and all these guys persist on hitting on me. |
| 03:55.59 | Guerin | skorpfox: heh |
| 03:56.06 | Guerin | skorpfox: Your real name is fox? |
| 03:56.11 | skorpfox | Guerin: yea |
| 03:56.14 | mrchopper | My CD drive dosen't work, and I have to manually mount some of my partitions |
| 03:56.16 | Guerin | !dict fox |
| 03:56.18 | mrchopper | :( |
| 03:56.20 | dpkg | Dictionary 'fox' (2 shown; 40 total): Subtle as the fox for prey. --Shak. ;; Fox hunter. (a) One who pursues foxes with hounds. (b) A horse ridden in a fox chase.. |
| 03:56.26 | Guerin | hrm |
| 03:56.32 | skorpfox | nope |
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| 03:56.37 | skorpfox | nothing bout females in there |
| 03:56.44 | rich_ | hi |
| 03:56.48 | Grant__ | OK all working im off |
| 03:56.50 | Guerin | skorpfox: a fox is a slang term for an attractive or desirable woman |
| 03:56.55 | Grant__ | !beer Guerin peterS |
| 03:57.00 | Grant__ | lol |
| 03:57.00 | Guerin | skorpfox: hence "Foxy Lady" |
| 03:57.07 | Grant__ | !beer Guerin & peterS |
| 03:57.08 | harlequin | is it possible to make a rule for iptables that will not allow 10.0.1.250 from using the internet and kill all their current connections? |
| 03:57.09 | Grant__ | ;) |
| 03:57.16 | Grant__ | slater |
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| 03:57.25 | skorpfox | Guerin: yea, kind of annoying when guys hit on me for that though. always say " fuck off I am a guy " |
| 03:57.34 | bob2 | dan2: turns out the new server is a dual xeon 2.8ghz. |
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| 03:57.41 | Guerin | skorpfox: just tell them to fuck off, don't mention you're a guy |
| 03:57.43 | crosswound | lol skorpfox |
| 03:57.47 | skorpfox | lol! |
| 03:57.53 | crosswound | rofl guerin |
| 03:58.10 | Guerin | skorpfox: which channels, out of curiosity? |
| 03:58.22 | xoz | alt.sex |
| 03:58.29 | skorpfox | Guerin: bunch of anime channels on dalnet |
| 03:58.49 | Guerin | skorpfox: no surprises there |
| 03:58.52 | skorpfox | Guerin: and yahoo chat rooms (but since Yahoo changed their protocol I can't get back on) |
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| 03:59.15 | skorpfox | yea not really surprising, just annoying |
| 03:59.29 | Guerin | skorpfox: change your nick to Foxkillah or something |
| 03:59.46 | bob2 | or bluefoxicy |
| 03:59.52 | bob2 | then people will just laugh at you kn lkml |
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| 04:00.12 | xoz | or knoffox |
| 04:00.30 | skorpfox | guerin: Iguess the name [IMAGUY]fox[DONTIMME] is too obvious? |
| 04:00.34 | mickeyks | or foxmldr |
| 04:00.39 | bob2 | haha |
| 04:01.02 | Guerin | which is all the more funny if you've seen photos of me... though the look on the chippies' faces when I turn around and they see the beard is quite a classic |
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| 04:01.03 | mickeyks | foxnws |
| 04:01.19 | skorpfox | Guerin:lol |
| 04:01.22 | xoz | foxilla |
| 04:01.26 | mickeyks | what's a chippie |
| 04:01.33 | Guerin | mickeyks: a carpenter |
| 04:01.53 | Guerin | mickeyks: or a construction worker of any sort, more generally |
| 04:02.00 | skorpfox | Guerin: as long as guys dun wistle at you Iguess its all good |
| 04:02.01 | skorpfox | lol |
| 04:02.06 | mickeyks | hrm |
| 04:02.16 | Guerin | skorpfox: no, they do... that's what I'm saying |
| 04:02.38 | mickeyks | Guerin: is that an aussie term? |
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| 04:02.53 | Guerin | mickeyks: brit/au/nz I think, yeah |
| 04:02.59 | mickeyks | hm |
| 04:03.31 | skorpfox | Guerin: dude. time to get an arsenal of rocks, throwing axes, and sleeping darts |
| 04:03.51 | mickeyks | skorpfox: you mean time to play nethack? |
| 04:04.08 | Guerin | skorpfox: nah, the humiliation when they discover I'm a man with a beard is quite worth it |
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| 04:04.20 | skorpfox | Guerin: lol, I bet |
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| 04:04.50 | skorpfox | mickeyks: nah I play WOW and Star Wars Galaxies. FPS = COD/Q3/DOD |
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| 04:05.26 | peterS | Guerin: do you play M-x doctor? |
| 04:05.46 | Guerin | peterS: no, I got suck of that pretty fast - my mum is a psychotherapist |
| 04:05.50 | skorpfox | allright guys im gone l8r peoples |
| 04:05.54 | Guerin | s/suck/sick/ |
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| 04:05.59 | Guerin | !l8r |
| 04:05.59 | dpkg | hmm... l8r is see ne1 or u |
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| 04:06.09 | mickeyks | skorpfox: i dont know what any of that is/means |
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| 04:06.34 | JimButton | it is challenging to keep him vegetarian and not hit with any wielded weapons... |
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| 04:07.13 | mickeyks | JimButton: I find the game nearly impossible to play even without restrictions like that |
| 04:07.13 | skorpfox | mickeyks: World of Warcraft (MMORPG)Star Wars Galaxies (MMORPG). COD= Call of Duty (first person shooter) Q3=Quake 3 and DOD = Day of defeat (half life mod) |
| 04:07.26 | French1eiht7 | does anyone have AOL on Linux?? |
| 04:07.39 | Guerin | French1eiht7: ???? |
| 04:07.43 | JimButton | mickeyks: oh, without restrictions i have ascended several players |
| 04:07.43 | French1eiht7 | cuz i got AOL but idk how i can use it in linux |
| 04:07.46 | French1eiht7 | guess i cant |
| 04:07.48 | mickeyks | French1eiht7: what aspect of it |
| 04:07.52 | French1eiht7 | connection |
| 04:07.57 | JimButton | mickeyks: monk is not one of the hardest |
| 04:07.57 | skorpfox | French1eiht7: AOL = evil |
| 04:08.00 | French1eiht7 | only for connectin internet |
| 04:08.02 | French1eiht7 | lol |
| 04:08.09 | French1eiht7 | AOL= my only ISP |
| 04:08.11 | Guerin | !aol |
| 04:08.11 | mickeyks | French1eiht7: be more specific |
| 04:08.11 | dpkg | somebody said aol was for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
| 04:08.12 | JimButton | the most fun are tourist, actually |
| 04:08.18 | mickeyks | French1eiht7: do they give you dsl, or what |
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| 04:08.27 | French1eiht7 | i want to connect internet from debian with AOL |
| 04:08.30 | mickeyks | JimButton: so what's the secret |
| 04:08.30 | French1eiht7 | yes |
| 04:08.33 | French1eiht7 | i got dsl |
| 04:08.39 | JimButton | mickeyks: there are so many :) |
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| 04:08.54 | JimButton | mickeyks: you just gotta practice (or read spoilers...) and have a bit of luck |
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| 04:09.46 | mickeyks | French1eiht7: there is no official aol software for linux. but dsl is dsl, find out whether or not you need a password etc and get it configured in the linux software |
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| 04:09.57 | JimButton | mickeyks: and genocide some of the really tough monsters, like L and h |
| 04:09.57 | mickeyks | JimButton: reading spoilers sucks though |
| 04:10.01 | French1eiht7 | oh ok thx |
| 04:10.11 | Guerin | French1eiht7: pppoeconf might help you |
| 04:10.28 | bob2 | hm, is 802.11i just .g with less shit encryption? |
| 04:10.37 | French1eiht7 | guerin:its a command? |
| 04:10.38 | Guerin | bob2: seems that way |
| 04:10.42 | mickeyks | French1eiht7: by the time you figure out how to make it happen, you will be too smart for aol |
| 04:10.49 | Guerin | French1eiht7: it's a program which might help you connect |
| 04:10.49 | French1eiht7 | lol |
| 04:10.54 | French1eiht7 | ok |
| 04:10.58 | mickeyks | French1eiht7: also, even if you don't, you are still too smart for aol |
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| 04:11.05 | French1eiht7 | lol |
| 04:11.26 | Guerin | French1eiht7: yeah, you made it all with way into #debian - that makes you in about the top 1% of AOLers |
| 04:11.30 | mickeyks | French1eiht7: aol is a money-sucking, low-quality, soulless bad wrong company |
| 04:11.46 | JimButton | mickeyks: the problem when i play is that i usually get impatient (like right now, i want to whack the quest nemesis, master kaen, but i might not be 100% prepared for it yet...) |
| 04:11.56 | French1eiht7 | mpm @guerin |
| 04:11.56 | Dr_Willis | lol |
| 04:11.56 | mickeyks | French1eiht7: and now it's time to graduate to earthlink or something |
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| 04:12.20 | French1eiht7 | *lol |
| 04:12.23 | mickeyks | JimButton: yeah, apparently you're supposed to let your pet do most of the killing for you at first, but that's borin |
| 04:12.28 | French1eiht7 | no earthlink in france |
| 04:12.31 | mickeyks | JimButton: i have trouble controlling the pets |
| 04:12.41 | mickeyks | French1eiht7: whatever then. link francais |
| 04:12.47 | French1eiht7 | lol |
| 04:13.01 | Penguin32 | what is pstoedit? |
| 04:13.07 | JimButton | mickeyks: i never play that pet style |
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| 04:13.27 | [Outlaw] | Hmm - just trying to do a dist upgrade, and it wants to remove all my Mozilla based programs... what's going on there? |
| 04:13.45 | mickeyks | Penguin32: converts pdf and postscript to other formats |
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| 04:14.02 | eofff | ive upgraded to XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 now i get this error GL_EXT_bgra not supported - bailing out. runing unreal |
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| 04:14.14 | JimButton | mickeyks: though i have to admit, i once had a pet archon late in the game, and that was great |
| 04:14.23 | Penguin32 | mickeyks: wascurious as it has come up as being the only file on my system not upgraded |
| 04:14.24 | mickeyks | JimButton: how do you avoid getting killed at the beginning? that always happens to me. the game starts to feel very random, which is boring to me. |
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| 04:14.26 | French1eiht7 | whole nother problem, i downloaded the nvidia .run driver file for xfree86 since i got a GeForce FX 5200 and its not supported on the cd of debian i got, but when i try to install it says i have something like the graphical kernel missing or w/e |
| 04:14.28 | French1eiht7 | what is this? |
| 04:14.32 | JimButton | mickeyks: but you always have to watch out for purple worms, trappers and such |
| 04:14.45 | mickeyks | Penguin32: couldn't tell you about that |
| 04:14.45 | JimButton | mickeyks: don't descend too fast |
| 04:14.56 | Penguin32 | mickeyks: ok |
| 04:15.02 | sgeigerbot | Anyone know how to put a graphic on the screen to cover up the dmesg messages that scroll on the screen during bootup? |
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| 04:15.08 | JimButton | mickeyks: and pick easier characters first, like samurais, barbarians or valkyries |
| 04:15.17 | French1eiht7 | it asks me for downloadin on nvidia site but i cant connect with aol from debian... |
| 04:15.28 | JimButton | mickeyks: and run away if you are cornered :) |
| 04:15.34 | Penguin32 | whose good at maths around here 256/64 connection 382MB too be downloaded, approximatly how long please? |
| 04:15.34 | JimButton | well, before |
| 04:15.42 | Guerin | Penguin32: apparently hasn't been updated since woody, then |
| 04:16.15 | Penguin32 | Guerin: well actually what I said id not quiet accurate, it says the package has been kept back, whatever that means |
| 04:16.35 | eofff | how do i downgrade Xfree86 ? |
| 04:16.39 | Guerin | 256k should get you about 20kBps, I suppose... |
| 04:16.45 | Guerin | eofff: very caefully |
| 04:16.52 | mickeyks | JimButton: i also have trouble keeping track of the magic items, especially scrolls |
| 04:16.54 | Penguin32 | Guerin: I usuelly get around 25 or more |
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| 04:17.08 | Guerin | Penguin32: ok, 25 then. |
| 04:17.11 | Penguin32 | highest I ever ever seen is 29 |
| 04:17.23 | JimButton | mickeyks: i usually wait until i know which is the scroll of identify |
| 04:17.24 | Guerin | !25*3600 |
| 04:17.24 | dpkg | 90000 |
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| 04:17.33 | JimButton | mickeyks: and that you can find out by the price in shops... |
| 04:17.46 | Penguin32 | I assume that 90000 is seconds? |
| 04:17.51 | Guerin | Penguin32: 90MB per hour |
| 04:17.58 | JimButton | Penguin32: no, years |
| 04:18.01 | Penguin32 | okies thankyou |
| 04:18.04 | Penguin32 | lol |
| 04:18.06 | JimButton | :) |
| 04:18.27 | Penguin32 | so a bit over 4 horus then |
| 04:18.56 | mickeyks | JimButton: is it the most expensive? |
| 04:18.58 | Guerin | Penguin32: all going well. Then more again for the install |
| 04:19.01 | Penguin32 | whats the chances of the system being fuctional after this? |
| 04:19.03 | JimButton | mickeyks: no, the cheapest |
| 04:19.18 | Guerin | Penguin32: the download is unattended, but you'll need to be there for the config part |
| 04:19.19 | JimButton | mickeyks: actually, you can find out some things by playing in discovery mode |
| 04:19.25 | JimButton | mickeyks: without reading spoilers |
| 04:19.25 | sgeigerbot | Penguin: to how many decimal places? |
| 04:19.34 | Guerin | Penguin32: pretty damn good |
| 04:19.40 | Penguin32 | Guerin: thankyou |
| 04:19.57 | Penguin32 | ok here goes nothing |
| 04:20.09 | Guerin | Penguin32: you'll have a lot of tweaking to do, but it should be fine |
| 04:20.40 | Penguin32 | Guerin: no worries, if tweaking bothered me I would not use Linux hehe |
| 04:21.07 | Penguin32 | as long as I can get on line too talk too you blokes when I get in strife |
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| 04:22.14 | mickeyks | sleep |
| 04:22.21 | Penguin32 | currently running around 27kB/ss |
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| 04:23.21 | Penguin32 | wohwas we have hit 1% lol |
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| 04:24.29 | Penguin32 | only got kernel 2.5 in it, thought it would be 2.6 by now? |
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| 04:25.05 | Guerin | Penguin32: I sincerely doubt you have a 2.5 kernel |
| 04:25.29 | Guerin | Penguin32: 2.4 is still standard, 2.6 are available in sarge |
| 04:25.31 | Penguin32 | Guerin: no I am reading the package list as it downloads them, I currently ahve 2.4 |
| 04:25.43 | Guerin | Penguin32: by the way, do you use gnome? |
| 04:25.50 | Penguin32 | yes |
| 04:26.07 | Penguin32 | why? |
| 04:26.12 | Guerin | Penguin32: nautilus is currently broken in testing - you might find all your icons are blank |
| 04:26.16 | sgeigerbot | When patching a linux kernel, will zcat work on a .bz2 file? |
| 04:26.42 | Penguin32 | Guerin: no problem don't like the behaviour of nautilus anyway, I don't run it |
| 04:26.45 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: I think there might be another cat prog to do that |
| 04:26.53 | Guerin | Penguin32: ok then |
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| 04:26.59 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: jcat maybe? |
| 04:27.09 | Guerin | or bzcat |
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| 04:27.40 | Penguin32 | its belting along at this stage, up to 3% |
| 04:28.17 | Guerin | Penguin32: you're not going to sit and watch the progress meter for the next 4 hours, are you? |
| 04:28.26 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: ah, yes,...bzcat...thanks. |
| 04:28.44 | Penguin32 | hardly, I will sit here doing other things and jsut glance at it every now and then |
| 04:29.57 | Penguin32 | I actually do sometimes watch it doing things like this, I ofter discover packages I did nto know about |
| 04:30.59 | Penguin32 | I imagine I will get prompted or something related too ALSA will I? |
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| 04:37.51 | carrett | LinusGates: that's one hell of a real name ya got there |
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| 04:39.10 | Phated | carrett: Heh/ |
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| 04:39.32 | carrett | s |
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| 04:41.37 | conto | ? |
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| 04:42.02 | Guerin | hey siimo, how's winter treating you guys? |
| 04:42.30 | Squall` | gahah, summer's going fine :) |
| 04:42.48 | Phated | Summer's great! |
| 04:43.15 | conto | it's *alway* summer here :) |
| 04:43.33 | Phated | Here too. |
| 04:43.44 | Phated | conto: Where are you? |
| 04:44.12 | conto | south east asia |
| 04:44.16 | conto | :) |
| 04:44.25 | Phated | Cool. Me too. |
| 04:44.32 | conto | mmmm |
| 04:44.44 | Phated | conto: Where, precisely? |
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| 04:44.56 | conto | indonesia |
| 04:45.01 | conto | .id :) |
| 04:45.07 | conto | u? |
| 04:45.13 | ceige | Can anyone show me how to install libglu? |
| 04:45.18 | Phated | Ah, I'm .sg. |
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| 04:45.25 | conto | oh ho |
| 04:45.28 | bob2 | commercial dance music is horrific. |
| 04:45.36 | bob2 | like, so annoying I'd rather silence |
| 04:45.40 | Guerin | bob2: it most surely is |
| 04:45.57 | Guerin | bob2: I have a mate works for mtv in london: he says dance music is dead |
| 04:46.03 | Guerin | we can only hope |
| 04:46.06 | bob2 | haha |
| 04:46.21 | bob2 | it's sad, because it dulls people to the good electronic music out there |
| 04:46.30 | Guerin | bob2: definitely |
| 04:46.30 | Phated | Yes. |
| 04:46.45 | bob2 | he's got a nice body/he's wearing velvet pants. |
| 04:46.51 | bob2 | that's what the world needs more of. |
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| 04:47.06 | Guerin | bob2: just like anything, the gems have to struggle to rise above the tide of shit |
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| 04:47.13 | ceige | GLU doesn't come with debian does it? |
| 04:47.15 | Phated | bob2: Nice body, YES. Velvet pants...? |
| 04:47.16 | bob2 | hmm, yeah |
| 04:47.17 | Guerin | bob2: who's that then? |
| 04:47.19 | pixelmonkey | in inetd.conf, can you bind specific ports, i.e. if I want to run an FTP server on a non-standard port, can I do so through inetd? |
| 04:47.29 | bob2 | pixelmonkey: yes. |
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| 04:47.39 | conto | of course |
| 04:47.42 | bob2 | Phated: Guerin propellorheads, 'velvet pants'. |
| 04:47.46 | nsadmin | I'm not quite sure what's going on, but when I hold modifier keys such as the ctrl or alt keys while moving my mouse, it freaks out... goes up in the corner, stays there, or travels on a horizontal or vertical only... |
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| 04:47.56 | bob2 | nsadmin: laptop? |
| 04:48.00 | nsadmin | has anyone heard of anything like this happening? |
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| 04:48.09 | pixelmonkey | bob2: so what changes in the ftp line? Do I change the service_name field to the port I want? |
| 04:48.14 | toxickore | hello... i have a few questions |
| 04:48.15 | Phated | bob2: Ah. |
| 04:48.21 | Guerin | incidentally, it seems the wu-ftpd in woody can ONLY run from inetd - can I configure it to run standalone |
| 04:48.22 | nsadmin | no, desktop, usb logitech trackball, 2.6.3 |
| 04:48.24 | Guerin | ? |
| 04:48.28 | somiaj | nsadmin: what window manager/desktop? are you runing gpm? |
| 04:48.44 | toxickore | i'm trying to install debian sarge netinstall.... but i can't find a ethernet conection... |
| 04:48.49 | nsadmin | yes, running gpm, gnome |
| 04:49.03 | Guerin | dpkg-reconfigure doesn't help, and the config files don't shed any light really, but the sid package of wu-ftpd (same upstream version) runs standalone |
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| 04:49.14 | bob2 | pixelmonkey: the first field, yeah, afaict. |
| 04:49.14 | somiaj | nsadmin: do you have X set up to run off of /etc/gpmdata (if not you may want to just turn off gpm and see if the same thing happens) |
| 04:49.22 | bob2 | toxickore: #debian-boot. |
| 04:49.37 | nsadmin | somiaj: I think now |
| 04:49.39 | nsadmin | err |
| 04:49.39 | dendrite | Guerin: wu-ftpd has a rather poor security track record -- consider vsftpd or proftpd instead. |
| 04:49.41 | nsadmin | somiaj: I think no |
| 04:49.41 | toxickore | bob2: thanks |
| 04:49.43 | nsadmin | checking |
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| 04:49.57 | somiaj | nsadmin: /etc/init.d/gpm stop (then try) |
| 04:49.58 | Guerin | dendrite: i've already chosen my ftpd, I just want to configure it |
| 04:50.27 | nsadmin | I will, but first I have to make sure x is not reading from gpm |
| 04:50.28 | Guerin | dendrite: and the 2.6.2 version is not demonstrably any less secure than alternatives... |
| 04:50.31 | walnuck | nsadmin: load all usb controllers then try /dev/input/mice |
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| 04:50.58 | somiaj | nsadmin: grep gpmdata /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 04:51.00 | nsadmin | walnuck: hold that thought one moment :) |
| 04:51.19 | nsadmin | somiaj: returns no lines |
| 04:51.26 | somiaj | walnuck: his mouse is working, its just acting like X and gpm are figthing for control of the mouse |
| 04:51.41 | somiaj | nsadmin: then its not configured to use gpm data, turn gpm off and see if that works |
| 04:52.09 | walnuck | nsadmin: does the mouse behave properly at least without X ? |
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| 04:52.14 | bob2 | "Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a fat white guy who is threatened by change." |
| 04:52.28 | somiaj | nsadmin: if that does, then you'll have to either a) disable gpm, or b) set X to use gpmdata (let me find a factoid) |
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| 04:52.56 | nsadmin | somiaj: stopped gpm, can still move mouse in X (we expected that, not configured to listen to gpmdata); |
| 04:53.16 | somiaj | nsadmin: now if you hold shift/alt etc, does it go crazy> |
| 04:53.22 | nsadmin | somiaj: mouse still freaks out after stopping gpmdata |
| 04:53.31 | nsadmin | in exactly the same ways |
| 04:53.44 | somiaj | nsadmin: are you sure gpm was stoped, try 'ps fax | grep gpm' |
| 04:54.03 | nsadmin | somiaj: one sec, let me try walnuck's suggestions |
| 04:54.16 | somiaj | !tell nsadmin about gpm |
| 04:54.36 | somiaj | nsadmin: if your mouse works in console land (gpm) then follow that to get it to also work in X |
| 04:55.05 | walnuck | nsadmin: you should be able to get gpm to coexist with X |
| 04:55.05 | nsadmin | walnuck: how do you mean "load all usb controllers"? |
| 04:55.16 | nsadmin | yes, it does coexist |
| 04:55.36 | walnuck | nsadmin: well see if you can "cat /dev/input/mice", move the mouse and then hit ctrl-c |
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| 04:56.26 | nsadmin | I have the feeling I'm getting some sync problems with the serial |
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| 04:56.45 | walnuck | nsadmin: any output from the mouse? |
| 04:56.48 | nsadmin | yes |
| 04:56.56 | velan | how do you stop x from starting on boot |
| 04:57.00 | nsadmin | definitely |
| 04:57.03 | walnuck | nsadmin: so use that instead for x |
| 04:57.12 | nsadmin | take your computer off your boots! |
| 04:57.19 | walnuck | velan: check the startup scripts |
| 04:57.23 | nsadmin | walnuck: I am... |
| 04:57.44 | walnuck | nsadmin: did you try what dpkg said? |
| 04:58.01 | velan | are they in the home dir or under etc |
| 04:58.06 | nsadmin | I've tried that on and off for awhile... |
| 04:58.18 | walnuck | nsadmin: tried what "that" ? |
| 04:58.35 | nsadmin | combining so that gpm feeds x |
| 04:59.01 | walnuck | nsadmin: did you read the instructions and followed them word by word? |
| 04:59.03 | nsadmin | I like telling people to do that in their setups |
| 04:59.11 | xoz | velan: man update-rc.d |
| 04:59.20 | velan | ty |
| 04:59.42 | xoz | velan: disable links to your display manager. |
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| 05:00.14 | nsadmin | I would follow it word by word if the sentences all made perfect sense and used correct grammar ;) else, I'm not sure what my result would be... which part would you like me to try? |
| 05:00.34 | walnuck | nsadmin: so you could of asked for help.. |
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| 05:00.41 | nsadmin | people've been adding to that factoid :) |
| 05:00.51 | nsadmin | that's what I'm doing now :) |
| 05:00.51 | walnuck | nsadmin: learn the basic lingo, why bother trial and error? |
| 05:00.55 | nsadmin | but here's the thing... |
| 05:01.13 | nsadmin | whether I run gpm or not run gpm, the problem still exists |
| 05:01.27 | walnuck | nsadmin: the problem is you, learn the lingo |
| 05:01.35 | nsadmin | so I'm thinking the problem is somehow lower-level, closer to hardware |
| 05:01.50 | walnuck | nsadmin: no, the problem is you! |
| 05:01.51 | xoz | nsadmin: modprobe usbmouse.... check what driver you specified in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 05:02.46 | xoz | nsadmin: or let hotplug load the drivers for your mouse.... or try another mouse... just to check. |
| 05:02.50 | nsadmin | walnuck: why are you claiming this? would you also claim this is you being helpful?? |
| 05:02.54 | walnuck | nsadmin: could be... |
| 05:03.17 | nsadmin | just asking; it's sounding abusive to me |
| 05:03.33 | xoz | nsadmin: try working on it.. stop the argument... it won't solve your problem.. get on with it. |
| 05:03.37 | walnuck | nsadmin: there's mousetest |
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| 05:04.02 | nsadmin | xoz: I didn't start the abuse |
| 05:04.28 | walnuck | nsadmin: i'm not abusing, you said you didn't understand following instructions dpkg gave you, i'm just saying why bother trial and error? |
| 05:04.30 | xoz | nsadmin: ok... can you follow my suggestions ^^ |
| 05:04.54 | xoz | nsadmin: do you have another usbmouse to try? |
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| 05:04.58 | walnuck | nsadmin: sounds like you're falling on abusing your own troubleshooting which is hilarious |
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| 05:05.28 | sabmoc | nsadmin: i would suggest trying #debian at another time :) |
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| 05:05.58 | nsadmin | walnuck: (trying to unravel miscommunication) what I said was the sentences in the factoid don't all make sense. I then asked which part of the factoid you'd like me to try. this question still stands. |
| 05:06.08 | sabmoc | nsadmin: it can be surprisingly helpful or just argumentative depending on what phase of the moon and blah blah ;) |
| 05:06.40 | walnuck | nsadmin: what part doesn't make sense? |
| 05:06.46 | xoz | nsadmin: the main issue is not gpm... so attack the problem without gpm first. |
| 05:07.01 | Boreas | i'd like to see the full package name of a package i've got installed, but dpkg -l will only show like 30 characters of the package name (if that)... how can i see the whole package name |
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| 05:07.42 | nsadmin | sabmoc: I understand that people trying to help are getting innundated all the time with what I'll generalize as problem users... and believe me, I sympathize... |
| 05:07.42 | xoz | somiaj: advice is correct... isolate the problem... since gpm does not cause it.... move on, ok? |
| 05:08.01 | Justin | Boreas: COLUMNS=400 dpkg -l ...|tr -s ' ' |
| 05:08.15 | xoz | nsadmin: somiaj's advice is correct... isolate the problem... since gpm does not cause it.... move on, ok? |
| 05:08.26 | walnuck | xoz: he didn't understand the instructions given to him, he couldn't make sense of it, he ought to try testing gpm *properly* |
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| 05:08.49 | sabmoc | some day all of the problem user of the world will unite and build a statue of me, for i am their king. |
| 05:09.01 | xoz | walnuck: the problem persists without gpm... so, better attack the problem one at a time... |
| 05:09.16 | walnuck | !tell nsadmin about !gpm |
| 05:09.19 | walnuck | !tell nsadmin about gpm |
| 05:09.44 | nsadmin | did you alter the factoid? :) you know that was already sent to me :) |
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| 05:10.27 | walnuck | nsadmin: so what part doesn't make sense, i'm asking again.. ? |
| 05:10.34 | sabmoc | i think tonight i will finally get around to updating my desktop's kernel.. |
| 05:10.55 | nsadmin | there are many pieces to it, which one do you want me to do first? |
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| 05:10.59 | sabmoc | linux-2.6.3 is starting to feel old and dated :P |
| 05:11.29 | Dougmeister | omg my old 486/25 is still installing! looks like woody might be a go! |
| 05:11.33 | peterS | sabmoc: does it also start to feel like it has a local security vulnerability or two? |
| 05:11.54 | nsadmin | btw, about the part that says "if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X", that's not my problem :) |
| 05:12.27 | Dougmeister | just got back from DM'ing some neverwinter nights, hehe, man the players just got a awesome artifact - Greater Minosian War Axe |
| 05:12.47 | walnuck | nsadmin: you still didn't try it did you? |
| 05:12.52 | sabmoc | peterS: yes it feels quite like that :) |
| 05:12.54 | nsadmin | I'm thinking that somehow the mouse isn't sending certain bytes (I can give you more info on the mouse; I see its box over there) |
| 05:13.18 | walnuck | nsadmin: are you using the latest versions of x? |
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| 05:13.48 | nsadmin | 4.3.somethign |
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| 05:14.10 | sabmoc | Dougmeister: i love nwn |
| 05:14.24 | nsadmin | because earlier ones won't work with my display |
| 05:14.32 | Dougmeister | sabmoc: agreed, i am now a DM on a persistant world |
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| 05:15.10 | sabmoc | Dougmeister: cool! i stoped playing about 3 months ago.. i bought the retail version but i still havent got around to installing it on my linux box |
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| 05:15.58 | Dougmeister | sabmoc: i never played the windows version, and i play online exclusively. the single player sucks compared to online |
| 05:16.43 | sabmoc | Dougmeister: i have a win box i only use for games still, i only finished single player, i was stranted in a small town and only had dialup so i havnt even played online yet! |
| 05:16.46 | Dougmeister | sabmoc: neverwinter is best with real people playing in your party in a world with a DM, theres nothing like it |
| 05:16.48 | nsadmin | what's nice about the logitech is it has more accurate tracking than the kensington... but I think the logitech is capable of multiple protocols, and is switching |
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| 05:17.18 | nsadmin | whatever the problem actually is, it's fairly frustrating especially when I'm in the middle of coding |
| 05:17.51 | xoz | nsadmin: have you tried modprobe usbmouse? |
| 05:18.08 | Dougmeister | sabmoc: yeah, i recommend a hot fx card like a gf-fx5900 and broadband for best playing online, but dialups do play and seem to do ok |
| 05:18.09 | jetscreamer | rpg's like which |
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| 05:18.15 | Phated | cafuego: Yep. |
| 05:18.24 | cafuego | jetscreamer: * |
| 05:19.01 | rich_ | cafuego You think thats bad, I met a guy who pays money so he can play a game that looks like a slower version of quake. its like a graphical combat mud |
| 05:19.09 | sabmoc | cafuego: im a chef, so that really made me laugh :) |
| 05:19.28 | sabmoc | ill have to remember that |
| 05:19.35 | jetscreamer | bascombe? |
| 05:19.40 | cafuego | sabmoc: I have amny whisks, of various sizes. I am now chef, but i do cook (and cook well) |
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| 05:19.47 | overflow | Hi. I can't load gdm and I can't log in terminal with normal user. Right now, I discovered that ldd mandb for example not found any lib, but ldconfig -v show the libs needed by mandb, what any other thing could be? |
| 05:19.50 | cafuego | s/now/no/ |
| 05:20.14 | Dougmeister | man i made a white garlic pizza last week, best thing i ever made i think |
| 05:20.25 | Guerin | sabmoc: where do you work as a chef? What type of place? |
| 05:20.27 | sabmoc | cafuego: im not a chef acutally, i manage a fine dining restaurant, and im also one of the cooks |
| 05:20.29 | SoulForge | I would like to know if its possible to install Debian on a laptop HD that currently has RedHat 9 without a floppy or a cd-rom drive |
| 05:20.33 | Guerin | ah |
| 05:20.41 | jetscreamer | i threw a piece of meat between 2 pieces of bread last week |
| 05:20.59 | dendrite | SoulForge: Check out debootstrap |
| 05:21.03 | Dougmeister | SoulForge: I'm upgrading my ancient laptop right now |
| 05:21.30 | Dougmeister | SoulForge: install GRUB first of all |
| 05:21.33 | Guerin | cafuego: don't knock the ability to make quality pasta |
| 05:21.33 | sabmoc | Dougmeister: do you know how i can get in on one of those games with a DM that you were talking about? im interested.. |
| 05:21.34 | cafuego | last thing I cooked was nut&spice encrusted bararmundi |
| 05:21.41 | cafuego | Guerin: pasta != pizza |
| 05:21.43 | SoulForge | Grub is already installed |
| 05:21.47 | Phated | cafuego: And you say you're no chef? |
| 05:21.51 | SoulForge | i would like to do an install from network or internet |
| 05:21.52 | cafuego | Guerin: And yes, I can and do make my own pasta :-) |
| 05:22.00 | SoulForge | whatever can be done |
| 05:22.03 | Guerin | cafuego: barramundi is amazing fish |
| 05:22.05 | dendrite | SoulForge: check out debootstrap! |
| 05:22.08 | cafuego | Phated: I just like to eat, and being able to cook helps ;-) |
| 05:22.09 | SoulForge | I am |
| 05:22.15 | Phated | cafuego: Sure does. |
| 05:22.15 | Dougmeister | SoulForge: then you would best make a new partition so you can keep your precious bootable system safe |
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| 05:22.48 | Guerin | cafuego: it's always best. I had trouble getting quality flour for pasta |
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| 05:23.25 | Dougmeister | sabmoc: I DM on Amon2 in the Persistant World Action section, its a light RP server. Join that one. |
| 05:23.33 | cafuego | Guerin: Well, at the end of the day freshly homemade pasta still tastes better then bought stuff even if you do make it with homebrand supermarket flour. |
| 05:23.35 | peterS | oh man |
| 05:23.37 | peterS | poor nsadmin |
| 05:23.53 | Phated | cafuego: Harder you work for something... |
| 05:23.54 | Guerin | cafuego: true. |
| 05:23.55 | peterS | nobody trying to help him seemed to have any clue |
| 05:24.23 | overflow | anyone could help me please? |
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| 05:24.34 | sabmoc | Guerin: cafuego: i wish we had the TIME to make our own pasta, but even at fine dining its just not practical. |
| 05:24.36 | Guerin | overflow: we might if you ask a question |
| 05:24.42 | overflow | Guerin: |
| 05:24.45 | overflow | anyone could help me please? |
| 05:24.45 | dendrite | SoulForge: This is a useful link for you: http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html |
| 05:24.48 | overflow | Hi. I can't load gdm and I can't log in terminal with normal user. Right now, I discovered that ldd mandb for example not found any lib, but ldconfig -v show the libs needed by mandb, what any other thing could be? |
| 05:24.49 | Dougmeister | SoulForge: then if you can make a scratch partition, experiment wit that one |
| 05:24.49 | Guerin | sabmoc: yeah, that's true. |
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| 05:25.02 | cafuego | sabmoc: Oh shush, it takes all of 5 minutes for 4 ppl. |
| 05:25.09 | Guerin | sabmoc: one place I worked at got it made by a nearby italian restaurant |
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| 05:25.24 | Dougmeister | SoulForge: remember to always keep one partition bootable so you can rescue on that old machine |
| 05:25.34 | cafuego | if you add cooking time, making from scratch is quicker then dried pasta :-) |
| 05:25.49 | sabmoc | cafuego: if you had said 5 seconds then maybe :) |
| 05:25.55 | Phated | cafuego: Never mind how long it takes, it's how good it tastes. |
| 05:25.59 | cafuego | Though if you add the time you spend cleaning your fingernails it takes longer |
| 05:26.03 | SoulForge | I still need to figure out how to use it :) |
| 05:26.10 | Guerin | Phated: try telling that to restaurant patrons :) |
| 05:26.20 | dendrite | SoulForge: Check out http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html |
| 05:26.28 | Phated | Guerin: Restaurant patrons are largely idiots. |
| 05:26.37 | SoulForge | ty |
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| 05:26.40 | Guerin | Phated: You don't need to tell me that... |
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| 05:26.50 | nsadmin | ok, in console, my keyboard is acting really strange... alt key doesn't work (so can't switch from console, can't -reboot- using ctrl-alt-del), scroll lock key is printing something similar to a kernel oops (register dump plus shortish stack trace) |
| 05:26.55 | Phated | Guerin: Ah, memories coming to the surface? |
| 05:26.55 | cafuego | Guerin: Well, you can make a shitload of pasta in the morning and cook as required at night or for lunch; just keep it refrigerated. |
| 05:26.59 | overflow | Guerin: could you help me? |
| 05:27.20 | Guerin | Phated: Yeah. Oh, the memories... |
| 05:27.25 | xoz | nsadmin: your mouse is just the symptom... |
| 05:27.25 | nsadmin | the keyboard is connected using ps2 connector |
| 05:27.31 | sabmoc | Dougmeister: ok thanks :D i dont have it installed on my linux box and the win box is dead for now.. so i'll have to find the retail box and install it first but you will see me there some time for sure.. i have dsl now, but only a gf2mx400 64mb card |
| 05:27.32 | cafuego | nsadmin: is it PS2, have you recently hotplugged it? |
| 05:27.32 | Phated | Guerin: Not good ones? ;) |
| 05:27.37 | nsadmin | yes, apparantly :) |
| 05:27.49 | cafuego | nsadmin: Hmmm. Rebooted since? |
| 05:27.53 | nsadmin | recently? yes, but after the problem was happening |
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| 05:28.04 | nsadmin | rebooted just now (way after problem) |
| 05:28.05 | michael12345 | has anyone in here got pppoe-server working |
| 05:28.15 | Dougmeister | sabmoc: that should work just fine |
| 05:28.17 | cafuego | nsadmin: it's just that PS2 isn't actually hotplug. |
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| 05:28.32 | cafuego | nsadmin: And there is a small but finite chance you'll blow stuff up if you do it. |
| 05:28.41 | Guerin | overflow: I don't even understand your question, excep that you can't log in as a user |
| 05:28.50 | sabmoc | k later folks, gotta go upgrade my kernel and then install NWN :) yippy! |
| 05:28.52 | Guerin | Phated: always mixed memories |
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| 05:28.55 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 05:29.06 | Phated | Guerin: Ah, I see. More good ones, or bad ones? |
| 05:29.10 | nsadmin | then I might need a usb kbd and maybe hub |
| 05:29.18 | SoulForge | ill look at it more in the morning |
| 05:29.22 | cafuego | nsadmin: If both keybd and mouse are behaving oddly, chances are the controller is busted. |
| 05:29.33 | nsadmin | well, the mouse is usb |
| 05:29.44 | nsadmin | the kbd is ps2 |
| 05:29.48 | bgaiser | Anyone here know anything about nautilus (2.6.2) script directories? |
| 05:29.48 | cafuego | nsadmin: Ah ok, then the controller may be OK. |
| 05:29.56 | Guerin | cafuego: It'd be worth it for a restaurant which did a lot of pasta - the ones I worked at (except for one) didn't - and the one which did got it in fresh from a parent restaurant |
| 05:30.00 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: usb stuff is great, it really is, the new hid code is very well done |
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| 05:30.34 | cafuego | Guerin: Yeah, my regular italian haunts on Lygon street here all make their own. |
| 05:30.55 | kruzi | pfft carlton |
| 05:30.56 | nsadmin | that's good to hear... I'll probably get a new kbd (I don't like this one too well; key centers aligned differently, stiffer spring loading on keys) |
| 05:31.12 | overflow | Guerin: ok. GDM don't start, I can't log as normal user. Now I discover that some apps like mandb (and "maybe" all apps that needs libs that are in /usr/lib) can't find the libs that needs. |
| 05:31.16 | cafuego | !eye kruzi |
| 05:31.21 | bgaiser | Is there a better channel to talk about good 'ol Nautilus??????????? |
| 05:31.21 | Guerin | cafuego: melbourne must be great for that - wellington didn't have a very big italian community, there were only about 3 decent italian restaurants, and only one really good one |
| 05:31.30 | Guerin | !#gnome |
| 05:31.30 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gimp.org |
| 05:31.34 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: I had a good USB keyboard until if failed the coffee test. oh well |
| 05:31.41 | bgaiser | K thanks. |
| 05:31.43 | cafuego | Guerin: Melbourne has its own italian dialect, based on sicilian. |
| 05:31.55 | nsadmin | shouldn'tadonethecoffeetest! |
| 05:31.56 | Guerin | cafuego: really? interesting.... |
| 05:32.20 | cafuego | Dougmeister: If you spill coffee on it, rinse IMMEDIATELY with warm water and let dry for a week or two. |
| 05:32.23 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: my 2-year old daughter insisted on it |
| 05:32.42 | nsadmin | oh, well then, your keyboard needed testing in that case |
| 05:32.43 | Guerin | overflow: wtf is mandb, and wwhat does it have to do with logins? |
| 05:32.52 | cafuego | Dougmeister: The keyboards apple sells cope just fine :-) |
| 05:33.16 | nsadmin | aren't they pretty expensive? |
| 05:33.18 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: it was a $10US Ebay special (incompatible with windows) worked great in Linux, some silly HP illuminated KB with built in hub |
| 05:33.28 | cafuego | nsadmin: No more so than a GOOD pc keyboard |
| 05:33.45 | overflow | Guerin: maybe nothing directly, but i saw that apps that needs libs at /usr/lib don't work, and maybe the login could be one of these apps |
| 05:33.46 | cafuego | nsadmin: My Happy Hacker was twice what the mac one costs |
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| 05:34.10 | nsadmin | now that we're talking about good keyboards, what would be some recommendations? :) |
| 05:34.17 | cafuego | nsadmin: happy hacker |
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| 05:34.30 | nsadmin | what are its good pts? |
| 05:34.33 | Phated | Happy hacker? |
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| 05:34.44 | cafuego | they're small, feel great, have built-in usb hub and NO CAPSLOCK KEY |
| 05:34.44 | Dougmeister | HP illuminated keyboard with built in 2-port usb hub is pretty nice for linux :-) |
| 05:34.46 | xoz | cafuego: yup... and the control key in mac is properly placed like in happy hacker. no need to swap in the Xmodmap. |
| 05:35.15 | nsadmin | howbout others? |
| 05:35.19 | Phated | cafuego: Where do I get one? |
| 05:35.21 | cafuego | nsadmin: There are others? |
| 05:35.27 | nsadmin | you tell me :) |
| 05:35.31 | cafuego | Phated: online... www.pfuusa.com (I think) lemme check |
| 05:35.38 | nsadmin | or not ;) |
| 05:35.40 | Phated | cafuego: Thanks. |
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| 05:35.46 | cafuego | hmmm |
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| 05:36.00 | cafuego | http://shop.store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/ |
| 05:36.00 | Squall` | nsadmin: http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net/keyboards/002-sabetts/ |
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| 05:36.13 | Dougmeister | I have a elements silver / black multimedia kb now, not bad, but its not usb, but as cheap as it was i wont care if it gets trashed |
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| 05:36.21 | Phated | cafuego: *two-finger salutes* |
| 05:36.27 | davis | i need to archive a large filesystem quickly. |
| 05:36.48 | davis | however the /opt dir is so big I can not create a tar file of it. |
| 05:36.49 | cafuego | davis: Buy a HDD< copy it. |
| 05:37.05 | davis | can i use scp/tar to copy it to another computer on network? |
| 05:37.08 | nsadmin | davis: you could try adding z |
| 05:37.15 | xoz | davis: try rsync |
| 05:37.15 | nsadmin | or j |
| 05:37.23 | davis | like tar to pipe and then scp pipe output? |
| 05:37.29 | nsadmin | you can ssh the pipe |
| 05:37.34 | nvz | I have a problem with apt-get, I am using snapshot.debian.org to get an old package, I can use screen to copy the url out of my sources.list and paste it into links and surf the url, but when I apt-get update I get a 403! |
| 05:37.37 | Dougmeister | davis: can you boot into single mode (i.e. init 1) then unmount some drives? |
| 05:37.43 | xoz | davis: rsync supports compression |
| 05:37.46 | cafuego | davis: tar cj --rsh-command=/usr/bin/ssh -f user@remote.host:opt.tar.bz2 /opt |
| 05:37.53 | nvz | s/.org/.net/ |
| 05:37.55 | overflow | :'( please help |
| 05:38.13 | davis | that tar looks good |
| 05:38.21 | davis | many thanks |
| 05:38.22 | cafuego | davis: it's not fast, though. |
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| 05:38.33 | davis | what would be faster? |
| 05:38.39 | cafuego | davis: rsync |
| 05:38.42 | davis | i have 5.6 GB |
| 05:38.43 | cafuego | by a lot |
| 05:39.00 | cafuego | Coz ssh eats cpu like mad, as does tar -j |
| 05:39.14 | davis | rsync -au /opt davis@server:/opt/archive/. ?? |
| 05:39.16 | Dougmeister | uh oh, its an initrd kernel |
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| 05:39.29 | nsadmin | what's wrong with that? :() |
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| 05:40.02 | Dougmeister | just slap the "initrd=/initrd.img" onto the grub boot line? |
| 05:40.07 | nvz | I tried fanagling 4.3.0 around.. it worked with the Virge/Dx but when I moved windows it gliched with many lines.. and the Trio/DX just wont work without XF 3.3.6, so if someone can help me figure out how to get XF 3.3.6 that would be great ;) |
| 05:40.13 | Guerin | Dougmeister: yes |
| 05:40.16 | xoz | davis.... add z to compress it if you have slow link. |
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| 05:40.24 | davis | this is over 100mb lan |
| 05:40.35 | dendrite | cafuego: Are you talking about the HP keyboard with all the extra buttons and knobs, like the one at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5104397719 ? |
| 05:40.35 | cafuego | wtf just made that noise |
| 05:40.35 | Guerin | nvz: wtf don't you just use vesa? |
| 05:40.46 | nvz | Guerin: on XF 4.3.0 you mean? |
| 05:40.52 | Guerin | nvz: yeas |
| 05:40.53 | davis | rsync -au --exclude "*~" /opt davis@server:/opt/archive/. |
| 05:40.57 | nsadmin | going back to my keyboard problem,,, can I do something to rule in/out bad ps/2 controller as the problem? |
| 05:40.58 | davis | i'll try that |
| 05:41.01 | nvz | Guerin: havent tried that.. might just wurk ;) |
| 05:41.17 | Guerin | nvz: vesa works with everything |
| 05:41.22 | cafuego | dendrite: Eww, no. That thing is *HUGE* and ugly. |
| 05:41.23 | Dougmeister | thank you linux for VC's! So I can read dpkg notes and punch em in on VC2! |
| 05:41.37 | dendrite | cafuego: Sorry, I should have been asking Dougmeister ... |
| 05:41.43 | nsadmin | yeah, that is pretty cool ;) |
| 05:41.44 | The_Vulture | Dougmeister: that's what screen(1) is for |
| 05:41.47 | dendrite | cafuego: Yeah, it is a bit... big. |
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| 05:41.57 | dendrite | Dougmeister: Are you talking about the HP keyboard with all the extra buttons and knobs, like the one at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5104397719 ? |
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| 05:42.07 | cafuego | I bet you could fit 3 HHs in that, sideways. |
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| 05:42.25 | nvz | Guerin: well shit.. that works. well I guess in 4.3.0 vesa works with this card, but in other versions it didnt |
| 05:42.33 | bgaiser | irc.gimp.net |
| 05:42.47 | dendrite | cafuego: How do the F keys work on an HH? is there a special meta for those? |
| 05:42.48 | cafuego | bgaiser: No thanks. |
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| 05:42.59 | cafuego | dendrite: bottom left is Fn, like on a laptop. |
| 05:43.09 | dendrite | cafuego: Gotcha, cool. |
| 05:43.14 | cafuego | dendrite: So I get Fn-1 etc. |
| 05:43.25 | nsadmin | I've seen these keyboards at office max... |
| 05:43.30 | nvz | I am taking this Wireless Intellimouse Explorer back tomorrow I didnt like it |
| 05:43.33 | cafuego | Oh and I just noticed there's another Fn on the right as well, under Enter. |
| 05:43.48 | Dougmeister | dendrite: yeah those work pretty sweet in linux |
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| 05:43.57 | nvz | alot of the functions are either poorly implemented or non-functional |
| 05:44.02 | cafuego | nvz: There's only one brand of mouse woth paying for, and that's Logitech. |
| 05:44.03 | dendrite | Dougmeister: What do? HH, or that HP one? |
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| 05:44.39 | Phated | Oh, wonderful, more keyboard options. :D |
| 05:44.46 | Guerin | nvz: I sincerely doubt that vesa wouldn't have worked, if configured correctly |
| 05:44.56 | unknown_lamer | I thought about a keyboard but they were out of USB Apple Pro Keyboards. |
| 05:44.59 | nvz | cafuego: the _main_ thing that bothers me, is to allow room for batteries, they shifted the optical stuff to the side, so if you use it on your leg or such, it doesnt get good traction unless you hold it at an angle. |
| 05:45.10 | unknown_lamer | I just want something clicky, smaller, clicky, and with volume controls for XMMS. |
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| 05:45.24 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: Logitech makes wireless mice with charge stations |
| 05:45.26 | Dougmeister | dendrite: i dunno but i outta but that thing, that was a pretty good kb for ten bucks |
| 05:45.29 | nvz | cafuego: but the side scrolling, middle clicking, and difficulties getting the side buttons working isnt cool either |
| 05:45.30 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: I know. |
| 05:45.39 | xoz | unknown_lamer: you need a rabbit, not a mouse :) |
| 05:45.41 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: When this one breaks, I'll have an MX700 |
| 05:45.50 | Dougmeister | it sucks in windows but worked good enough in debian |
| 05:45.52 | peterS | cafuego: solid choice |
| 05:45.58 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: My favorite things are wireless trackballs...completely pointless. |
| 05:46.01 | dendrite | Dougmeister: I dunno, that kb looked like it had a few too many farkles... |
| 05:46.11 | peterS | unknown_lamer: you mean, completely pointerless? |
| 05:46.14 | Phated | Dougmeister: What sucks in window? |
| 05:46.16 | dendrite | unknown_lamer: Pointless or pointerless? |
| 05:46.16 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: I don't have the thumb control for trackballs, it just goes wrong. |
| 05:46.20 | Phated | Windows* |
| 05:46.22 | nvz | cafuego: I have NiMH rechargables already, and the Logitec one came with a recharger cradle.. my uncle has one like that |
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| 05:46.31 | unknown_lamer | dendrite: Pointless. They don't move. |
| 05:46.44 | The_Vulture | unknown_lamer: neither do keyboards usually, but there are wireless keyboards |
| 05:46.49 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: The word for that is "stationary" |
| 05:46.52 | The_Vulture | unknown_lamer: great if they are bluetooth adn you use a laptop |
| 05:46.58 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: I just got one today because my old IBM mouse sort of ... died. |
| 05:46.58 | nvz | I got a very small room with alot of pcs and electronics, the less wires the better is what I am thinking |
| 05:47.07 | unknown_lamer | The_Vulture: That's the one exception :) |
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| 05:47.08 | nsadmin | I don't like mice because you have to move them... trackballs work in pro audio situations where I'm editing music and samples |
| 05:47.09 | Dougmeister | the windows drivers are really bad, its super buggy, but it more or less works ok in linux, you gotta map the weird buttons if you want to use them but they do scan |
| 05:47.28 | amphi | xoz: close both eyes and move yr head? :) |
| 05:47.28 | unknown_lamer | The_Vulture: And a wireless KBD is useful if you want to sit on a couch. Preferrably one with a pointing stick built in. |
| 05:47.29 | cafuego | unknown_lamer: I have issues click-draggin with trackballs... and I imagine using mouse gestures with 'em would suck. |
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| 05:47.37 | The_Vulture | unknown_lamer: *nods* |
| 05:47.40 | Phated | Dougmeister: That is, I presume, the HH keyboard? |
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| 05:47.48 | cafuego | or maybe I'm just to old to use those newfangled technologies ;-) |
| 05:47.50 | Phated | xoz: Glare and move your eye. |
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| 05:47.55 | unknown_lamer | The_Vulture: But I can't imagine using a mouse or trackball on the couch. |
| 05:48.00 | nvz | hell this Bose radio in place of the shelf system is great.. two wires instead of 12, 2 speakers instead of 8 and better sound.. |
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| 05:48.04 | The_Vulture | unknown_lamer: indeed |
| 05:48.06 | unknown_lamer | cafuego: Heh, my aunt saw it. She fell in love with the thing after five seconds. |
| 05:48.10 | cafuego | Phated: HHs don't have drivers. |
| 05:48.16 | blackb[0]x | guys... my gdm ig going dump! |
| 05:48.22 | xoz | amphi: that's what i'm thinking... in japan, they have this interface and they're debating about it... what about to sleep your comp? close eyes? |
| 05:48.24 | nsadmin | trackball on a couch would be easier... but better if mounted on kbd |
| 05:48.24 | Dougmeister | Phated: the HP one -> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5104397719 |
| 05:48.28 | Phated | cafuego: Ah, my error. I'm losing the convo here. :S |
| 05:48.39 | Guerin | blackb[0]x: unable to log in? |
| 05:48.41 | blackb[0]x | it won't shutdown via its system menu |
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| 05:48.44 | Dougmeister | I had one until it failed the coffee test |
| 05:48.47 | cafuego | Phated: They just work with the normal hid drivers. Plug & play on Windows, Linux and MacOS. |
| 05:48.53 | Phated | Dougmeister: Oh, yeah, I saw that one. Unnecesary stuff, I think. |
| 05:48.59 | blackb[0]x | som did reboot.. |
| 05:49.03 | akriel | is there a debian handbook online anywhere much like freebsd.org/handbook ??? |
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| 05:49.12 | Phated | cafuego: HH looks really cool. Now I just need a credit card. ;) |
| 05:49.14 | Guerin | !tell akriel about fundamentals |
| 05:49.20 | cafuego | akriel: www.debian.org -> docs, maybe? |
| 05:49.20 | Dougmeister | Phated: yeah but for ten bucks it was a good kb |
| 05:49.31 | cafuego | Phated: eh-heh |
| 05:49.32 | nsadmin | akriel: there's some docs on the web site, for example there's an install guide |
| 05:49.37 | blackb[0]x | it just appear a blank screen |
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| 05:49.51 | akriel | yeah but im looking for more than a install guide |
| 05:49.54 | Phated | Dougmeister: Yeah, true. |
| 05:50.00 | dendrite | Dougmeister: A decent place to get keyboards is thrift stores -- sometimes you can find the really good ones. |
| 05:50.10 | Phated | cafuego: Yep, sucks being this young and my mom being all paranoid. |
| 05:50.20 | akriel | basicly im new to debian i have used fbsd for 6yrs I need to learn about apt-get but cant find docs on debian.org |
| 05:50.22 | akriel | or im blind |
| 05:50.27 | akriel | which is prob the case |
| 05:50.29 | Phated | cafuego: Don't freeze your balls off. ;) |
| 05:50.30 | Dougmeister | I just get kb's from ebay, i seem to trash em fast these days |
| 05:50.37 | nsadmin | ok, I'm not sure you can get exactly what you're looking for... so could you be more specific about what your individual needs are? maybe we can put something togethert |
| 05:50.43 | The_Vulture | that'll keep you warm :) |
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| 05:50.55 | Phated | Dougmeister: I'd get them from eBay too. :D |
| 05:50.59 | cafuego | Phated: Nah, don't have any anyway. |
| 05:51.02 | blackb[0]x | guerin what do you think about that?? |
| 05:51.20 | cafuego | The_Vulture: it would help if you actually lit it. |
| 05:51.26 | akriel | woot http://www.debian.org/doc/index.en.html#manuals |
| 05:51.27 | xoz | nsadmin: use name completion if you want to speak to a particular person. |
| 05:51.29 | akriel | found it |
| 05:51.32 | akriel | thanks |
| 05:51.36 | mindphasr | What can I use to change my X background to a solid color.. using hex #'s? |
| 05:51.38 | The_Vulture | cafuego: well that's up to you when you go to smoke :) |
| 05:51.39 | Dougmeister | i do have a nifty mini touchpad kb for my netwinder, but its not suitable for fast typing of gaming |
| 05:51.41 | Guerin | blackb[0]x: dunno, it's a different error than people have been complaining about |
| 05:51.45 | nsadmin | akriel: ok, I'm not sure you can get exactly what you're looking for... so could you be more specific about what your individual needs are? maybe we can put something together |
| 05:51.50 | The_Vulture | s/to/up in/ |
| 05:51.51 | cafuego | akriel: I'm pretty sure that would also come as installable package for local use. |
| 05:51.56 | Phated | cafuego: Ah, OK. |
| 05:51.56 | xoz | mindphasr: xsetbg black? |
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| 05:52.25 | cafuego | And if it doesn't, it should. |
| 05:52.26 | nsadmin | wow... over 2/3rds of a thousand people here |
| 05:52.27 | blackb[0]x | do you have any idea what log should i see? |
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| 05:52.41 | cafuego | The_Vulture: I tend to just light the cigarette, not myself or my clothing. |
| 05:52.51 | blackb[0]x | in gdm log i didn't see any special |
| 05:52.53 | dendrite | nsadmin: 0.6 kilopeople? |
| 05:52.55 | The_Vulture | cafuego: near enough, depending on the temperature I suppose |
| 05:53.03 | nsadmin | 0.667 :) |
| 05:53.23 | shoq | does anyone know if the new debian-installer uses LVM ver 1 or 2 packages? |
| 05:53.26 | Phated | nsadmin: Too much math for you. |
| 05:53.26 | xoz | mindphasr: nope...maybe xsetroot |
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| 05:53.29 | nsadmin | closer to 0.7 if you're rounding :) |
| 05:53.42 | Dougmeister | I just punched it in *apt-get dist-upgrade* |
| 05:53.47 | mindphasr | xoz: Yeah, looking for something that I can use a Hex # or even a RGB code |
| 05:53.48 | dendrite | nsadmin: As long as I'm not the one that gets chopped in half due to rounding... |
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| 05:53.53 | sanmarcos | whats something you guys use in console and would love a gui for it=? |
| 05:53.53 | Dougmeister | eek |
| 05:54.11 | Phated | Check it out. The number of the beast. |
| 05:54.18 | Guerin | sanmarcos: erm.... nothing really |
| 05:54.23 | dendrite | sanmarcos: Are you looking for CLI programs to wrap a GUI around? |
| 05:54.31 | nsadmin | Phated: oh go read Sedgewick or Abelson and Sussman :P I haven't done a lot of the problems, but some of them |
| 05:54.31 | The_Vulture | sanmarcos: Actually I tend to go the other way, GUI to CLI. |
| 05:54.44 | Dougmeister | sanmarcos: yeah more like whats something i use in a gui and would like a console app |
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| 05:54.46 | sanmarcos | dendrite: somethign that requires GUI proggramming, no matter waht |
| 05:54.47 | Phated | nsadmin: cool. :P |
| 05:54.48 | \Igor\ | sanmarcos: cp with a progress bar :-) |
| 05:54.56 | xoz | mindphasr: xsetroot -solid black |
| 05:55.00 | sanmarcos | \lgor\: sure |
| 05:55.06 | nsadmin | Sedgewick, now THAT was too much math |
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| 05:55.09 | amphi | \Igor\: mc does that |
| 05:55.18 | mindphasr | xoz: right, I just told you i want to use rgb codes or Hex # not solid black |
| 05:55.28 | Guerin | amphi: mc is not cp |
| 05:55.37 | dendrite | sanmarcos: Hmm. I guess you could code up a wrapper for the 'find' program. :-) |
| 05:55.38 | \Igor\ | amphi: that is true... but it's kindof overkill just for that |
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| 05:55.51 | sanmarcos | mc sucks |
| 05:55.56 | Dougmeister | never used mc ever |
| 05:55.59 | supxr | i just modified my inetd.conf to allow ftp access, now how can i restart inetd so it refreshes ? |
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| 05:56.03 | nsadmin | everyone-2 :) |
| 05:56.09 | \Igor\ | mc does not suck, but has lost its usefulness |
| 05:56.09 | xoz | mindphasr: complete list is in /etc/X11/rgb.txt |
| 05:56.19 | Guerin | supxr: /etc/init.d/inetd restart? |
| 05:56.19 | sanmarcos | dendrite: hmm, thats interesting.. |
| 05:56.27 | nsadmin | lost? why? |
| 05:56.33 | sanmarcos | dendrite: but I tend to use locate, and gnome has one already |
| 05:56.39 | mindphasr | xoz: okay, there we go. thanks :) |
| 05:56.41 | Dougmeister | heck, i still use dselect most of the time |
| 05:56.42 | nsadmin | (just asking, I don't use it myself) |
| 05:56.45 | \Igor\ | supxr: /etc/init.d/inetd reload |
| 05:56.51 | nvz | well I am going to bed I have nothing else to whine about.. hehe |
| 05:56.52 | dendrite | sanmarcos: find is *much* more powerful than locate. |
| 05:57.04 | The_Vulture | dendrite: except locate is faster :) |
| 05:57.07 | supxr | Guerin won't that start a second inetd process ? |
| 05:57.11 | The_Vulture | nature of the beast |
| 05:57.13 | dendrite | sanmarcos: Not that I want a GUI, but it would make an interesting, and possibly useful program. |
| 05:57.17 | Dougmeister | updatedb; locate |
| 05:57.22 | Guerin | supxr: REstart kills inetd and REstarts it |
| 05:57.25 | sanmarcos | Dougmeister: agree |
| 05:57.38 | dendrite | The_Vulture: locate is faster if you know the name of the file -- what if you're grepping for contents? |
| 05:57.49 | supxr | ok, thanks |
| 05:57.54 | sanmarcos | grep -R "stuff" * |
| 05:58.01 | \Igor\ | suprx: reload (or force-reload) should only tell inetd to reread the config file |
| 05:58.06 | Guerin | dendrite: find is just a different tool to locate - you can't compare them directly |
| 05:58.07 | The_Vulture | dendrite: I mean it's faster because to run, since it uses a pre-built database, versus find which does the search at execution time |
| 05:58.12 | nsadmin | supxr: no, it will do special things... reload will probably send it a HUP signal, which the authors of inetd arranged for it to reread config file |
| 05:58.13 | The_Vulture | what Guerin said |
| 05:58.15 | dli | where is postrm scripts for dpkg debs? |
| 05:58.16 | The_Vulture | they have different roles |
| 05:58.19 | Guerin | it's like a fork vs a spoon |
| 05:58.27 | nvz | I could whine about the fact that I spent 1 & 1/2 hours setting up ssh keys on 3 boxes. you think I would have devised a better plan for doing those than waiting till after midnight and doing them by hand |
| 05:58.30 | Dougmeister | i ised find today to index a slow winows net drive using cygwin |
| 05:58.33 | dendrite | sanmarcos: find devel -mmin -5 -name '*.jsp' -exec grep -Hw 'sometoken' {} \; |
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| 05:58.36 | synth | man_linux, someone needs to find this sveasoft dickhead and fucking slaughter him |
| 05:58.42 | synth | err, damn nick completion |
| 05:58.43 | \Igor\ | dli: /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postrm |
| 05:58.48 | sanmarcos | dendrite: screw that! |
| 05:59.04 | dendrite | sanmarcos: You were looking for a program worthy of wrapping in a GUI... |
| 05:59.05 | sanmarcos | dendrite: but I guess it can be useful sometimes |
| 05:59.36 | dendrite | sanmarcos: Put another way, find blows away windows search capability, but is often not used because it's syntax isn't GUI simple... |
| 05:59.36 | akriel | ummm less command not found on debian? |
| 05:59.38 | sanmarcos | well yeah, but I dont use find, and hence I dont have psychological motivation to keep working on it, and hte project would die as soon as I find a coding challenge |
| 05:59.45 | dendrite | akriel: apt-get install less |
| 05:59.49 | Dougmeister | how about ls for l4-hurd |
| 05:59.57 | dendrite | akriel: or use more. :-) |
| 05:59.58 | The_Vulture | sanmarcos: so if you need something that you are motivated to do, why are you asking us? |
| 06:00.01 | nvz | I'll be back in the daylight hours when I am more capable of using the keyboard |
| 06:00.05 | The_Vulture | seems kind of pointless, 'ya know.. |
| 06:00.12 | akriel | ok also what pkg is the main xfree86? |
| 06:00.23 | nsadmin | "main"... depends. |
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| 06:00.25 | dli | \lgor\: thanks, i know from dpkg :) |
| 06:00.28 | sanmarcos | The_Vulture: I dont know, just to enlighten your night :), I cant think of anything, and I feel like coding |
| 06:00.40 | nsadmin | for clients, probably the client libs |
| 06:00.41 | \Igor\ | akriel: xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:00.48 | akriel | ty |
| 06:00.48 | nsadmin | for servers, see above] |
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| 06:01.14 | akriel | is xserver better than xfree86? |
| 06:01.16 | dendrite | akriel: I'm not sure xserver-xfree86 is the best meta package for X... I could be wrong though. |
| 06:01.30 | nsadmin | but client setup and server setup are moreorless separated, such that you can have client only or server only if you want |
| 06:01.31 | akriel | I hear alot of nix distros are switching due to license |
| 06:01.35 | \Igor\ | akriel: is New York better than the US? |
| 06:01.35 | dendrite | akriel: Maybe ask dpkg about X... |
| 06:01.40 | Dougmeister | do my l4/hurd wiki fun thing at http://hurd.gnufans.org/bin/view/Hurd/HurdOnL4 |
| 06:01.53 | Dougmeister | it gets you a bootable debugger |
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| 06:02.07 | nsadmin | xserver is generic, it's just a name; xserver-xfree86 -is- an xfree86 server |
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| 06:02.42 | akriel | ok well i cant rember the outher name but alot of distros are switching from Xfree86 to it cause of xfree86 changing license |
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| 06:02.51 | dendrite | akriel: x.org |
| 06:02.56 | nsadmin | isn't that old news? |
| 06:02.59 | akriel | yeah |
| 06:03.03 | nsadmin | or are they trying that again? |
| 06:03.03 | xoz | akriel: /topic |
| 06:03.05 | akriel | i havent tried x.org |
| 06:03.10 | \Igor\ | akriel: x.org or freedesktop.org |
| 06:03.11 | akriel | I was just wondering which is better |
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| 06:03.31 | nsadmin | is it better if it uses butter? |
| 06:03.52 | xoz | !better |
| 06:03.52 | dpkg | hmm... better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 06:04.12 | dli | which package for Glib 2.0, as required to compile gaim source |
| 06:04.33 | nsadmin | butter batter is better than baseball, bub! |
| 06:04.37 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: real men prefer saturated carboxylic acidas |
| 06:05.05 | dendrite | dli: libglib1.2 or some such, maybe? |
| 06:05.17 | dendrite | libglib2.0-0 even |
| 06:05.21 | Dougmeister | its the carbon - carbon double bonds that really enhances the flavor |
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| 06:06.15 | dli | dendrite: yeah, I installed that, but gaim still complains --modversion returns 2.4.2, but Glib (2.2.3) was found |
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| 06:07.10 | dendrite | dli: Dunno. |
| 06:07.20 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:07.21 | lamer0_ | I just recently purchased some soekris hardwar which has no vga port its used via serial link. DB9 serial cable both ends should be female. Anyone have any experiance on using something over a serial link |
| 06:07.23 | catalyst | Who using mozilla 1.7-2 here and manage to print using Xprint? |
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| 06:07.26 | dli | dendrite: thanks :) maybe my own fault :) |
| 06:07.38 | lamer0_ | do I have to setup anything? to use it over a serial link |
| 06:07.45 | dendrite | Hmmmmm... |
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| 06:08.30 | nsadmin | lamer0_: I guess you could hook it to your computer's serial port... you probably need a null serial cable (to go from computer -> computer) |
| 06:08.41 | Dougmeister | catalyst: I can print in Firefox 0.8 with magicfilter and a tcp/ip network printer |
| 06:08.46 | lamer0_ | nsadmin, do I need to setup anything? client side |
| 06:08.52 | jacobsid | lamer0_ I think if the main board is set up to export 'video' out via serial, you don't have to do anything special. You just connect to it like a modem terminal |
| 06:08.54 | lamer0_ | just use minicom |
| 06:08.59 | nsadmin | you might start with minicom |
| 06:09.16 | catalyst | Dougmeister: with Xprint? |
| 06:09.27 | nsadmin | if you can get that working, maybe you can do a ppp connection over the wire |
| 06:09.27 | lamer0_ | db9 to db9 female port cable sounds right - right? |
| 06:09.34 | nsadmin | dunno. |
| 06:09.39 | Dougmeister | this is bad: "To prevent breaking this system the modutils upgrade will abort." |
| 06:09.39 | lamer0_ | I have no clue about serial cables |
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| 06:09.52 | nsadmin | you'll have to try it; you might need a null serial cable |
| 06:10.02 | Dougmeister | catalyst: no not wit Xprint, just old lprng |
| 06:10.05 | devin | Could someone tell me what could be the problem when I compile my new kernel (2.6.6), my root partition supposedly doens't exist. But with the 2.2.x kernel, it does and everything works fine. I've already checked fstab and /etc/lilo.conf |
| 06:10.26 | catalyst | Dougmeister: nvm. lprng work fine here but not Xprint. |
| 06:10.50 | Dougmeister | catalyst: ok i don't know |
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| 06:11.00 | jacobsid | devin: 2.x kernel is built with initrd or support for whatever your root fs is, and 2.6 isn't? |
| 06:11.05 | nsadmin | devin: define "root partition supposedly doens't exist" |
| 06:11.05 | catalyst | Dougmeister: you running sid right? |
| 06:11.10 | xoz | devin: compile your rootfs and ide drivers static not as modules. |
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| 06:11.14 | Guerin | devin: you need to make sure your root filesystem and hdd interfaces are compiled into the kernel, or you need to use an initrd |
| 06:11.16 | Dougmeister | catalyst: yes |
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| 06:11.35 | Xh4 | What's the package name for the X header files? |
| 06:11.38 | rich_ | devin when you configured your kernel I think the filesystem you use for your root partition is supposed to be compiled in, not as a module. |
| 06:11.40 | catalyst | Dougmeister: what version of mozilla-browser are you running? |
| 06:12.01 | nsadmin | Xh4: something like xlibs-dev |
| 06:12.06 | amphi | Xh4: xlibs-dev or something like that - apt-cache knows |
| 06:12.11 | devin | All: Thanks |
| 06:12.11 | nsadmin | for the client libs that is |
| 06:12.20 | Dougmeister | catalyst: I have Firefox 0.8 and Mozilla 1.6 installed |
| 06:12.38 | Xh4 | amphi: Heh, I wish I had apt-cache, thanks for xlibs-dev, though. :) |
| 06:12.53 | akriel | ok sorry i know im lame but i cant figure out the gnome meta port - http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/ |
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| 06:12.56 | catalyst | Dougmeister: I believe you didn't dist-upgrade lately :) |
| 06:12.59 | nsadmin | you don't have apt-cache? you dont' have debian maybe? |
| 06:13.00 | catalyst | nvm |
| 06:13.00 | Dougmeister | catalyst: I'm phazing out Mozilla in favor of Firefox and Thunderbird |
| 06:13.02 | jacobsid | Xh4 it cant be more than an apt-get away you know... |
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| 06:13.32 | Xh4 | jacobsid: That's tha thing, I use a watered-down Debian-based system on a Pocket PC that is fully compatible with .debs... |
| 06:13.36 | Dougmeister | catalyst: correct, i only upgrade sometimes, and then when i get a good working sid i keep it until i need something |
| 06:13.38 | catalyst | Dougmeister: I know, but the Firefox depend heavyly on Mozilla includ' the print stuff. |
| 06:13.45 | Xh4 | the* |
| 06:13.54 | catalyst | Dougmeister: Is alright. |
| 06:14.18 | jacobsid | Xh4 now I'm jelous *glares at his t-mobile pocketpc thing* |
| 06:14.32 | Xh4 | :-\ |
| 06:14.35 | Xh4 | T-Mobile thing? |
| 06:14.39 | Xh4 | What's a T-Mobile?> |
| 06:14.46 | Xh4 | It's nothing really fancy, just an iPAQ.. |
| 06:14.50 | catalyst | Dougmeister: fyi, current Mozilla 1.7 need Xprint. I can print tho' but Printing window hang on me. |
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| 06:15.08 | jacobsid | Xh4 it's a T-Mobile phone branded 02XDA. you're using familiar? |
| 06:15.10 | Xh4 | Trying to do native compilation since the !&"*!&£%£ handhelds.org server is down, no dev cluster to ssh to. |
| 06:15.15 | nsadmin | how do you mean watered-down? |
| 06:15.16 | Xh4 | Yup, Familiar. |
| 06:15.25 | Xh4 | O2XDA? Those support Linux now? |
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| 06:16.01 | jacobsid | xh4 not that I'm aware. the 02dev people are working on it, but they're doing serious reverse engineering. I'm not holding my breath. |
| 06:16.02 | Xh4 | nsadmin: Well, it's based on ipkg, the Itsy Package Management System which is similar to DEBs.. |
| 06:16.08 | Xh4 | It is compatible with them, though. |
| 06:16.16 | Xh4 | jacobsid: Ah, thanks for that.. |
| 06:16.17 | nsadmin | why are so many people getting klined? |
| 06:16.37 | Xh4 | I have a friend with one of those "i-Mates" which is basically an O2XDA-II, just differently labeled. |
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| 06:16.55 | Dougmeister | You know this upgrade is bad news, i wish i was in debian, maybe one of you could propose this idea |
| 06:17.04 | rich_ | nsadmin I dont know but a few days ago there was bots join-flooding. So it might be because of that |
| 06:17.19 | Dougmeister | Lots of machines dont have floppies or cdroms nowadays |
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| 06:17.44 | Dougmeister | you should be able to make your own kernel and boot some image that loads the installer |
| 06:17.50 | nsadmin | I gotta learn how to do the tftp install thing someday |
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| 06:18.22 | nsadmin | can you get a plain x86 box to tftp boot? |
| 06:18.27 | jacobsid | Xh4: I keep toying w/ the idea of going back to a 'normal' (and better working) phone and an IPaq w/ familiar, and linking them for internet stuff. |
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| 06:18.37 | Dougmeister | my netwinder for instance has no floppy or cdrom its a pure net machine |
| 06:18.45 | Xh4 | nsadmin: Watered down as in it uses, well, very small binaries for things, like TinyX for X, busybox for ls, wget, ar, tar, ........ |
| 06:18.48 | cafuego | nsadmin: Having a nic that supports it would help |
| 06:18.54 | nsadmin | sounds like a thin client |
| 06:19.08 | Xh4 | jacobsid: You have an iPAQ? |
| 06:19.13 | Dougmeister | to upgrade it you boot the rescue.img and it slurps up the rest of the system from the net |
| 06:19.13 | Xh4 | The iPAQ rocks for net stuff. :D |
| 06:19.25 | nsadmin | Xh4: hmm, fyi you can add things to busybox :) |
| 06:19.37 | Xh4 | nsadmin: What do you mean? |
| 06:19.41 | Dougmeister | the reason for a user-made kernel is so you can build in network support |
| 06:19.46 | Xh4 | I don't even know what busybox is, but I know it's very watered down. |
| 06:19.52 | nsadmin | you can rebuild it with more commands |
| 06:19.53 | jacobsid | Xh4: no, I keep toying w/ the idea of swapping the O2 for a phone and pda instead of having them together. My main drive would be familiar support on the IPaq |
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| 06:20.00 | Dougmeister | then just boot the installer image and go |
| 06:20.09 | Xh4 | jacobsid: Oh. :) |
| 06:20.21 | nsadmin | oh, busybox is a single executable that acts like different commands |
| 06:20.26 | rich_ | Dougmeister did you try debootstrap? |
| 06:20.27 | nsadmin | for example... |
| 06:20.34 | nsadmin | if you rename it to tar, |
| 06:20.34 | nsadmin | it' |
| 06:20.37 | nsadmin | s tar! |
| 06:20.40 | Xh4 | jacobsid: Well, a new iPAQ is about the same price.. |
| 06:20.44 | Xh4 | You're in the UK or the US? |
| 06:20.51 | Dougmeister | rich_: never, whats it do? |
| 06:20.52 | nsadmin | if you rename it to bash, it's bash! |
| 06:20.57 | nsadmin | or |
| 06:21.04 | Guerin | nsadmin: sounds evil to me |
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| 06:21.17 | nsadmin | if you add links called tar and bash that point at it, it's both! |
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| 06:21.25 | cafuego | Guerin: it's handy for smaller filesystems, like installers. |
| 06:21.42 | cafuego | Guerin: The new sarge installer uses it. |
| 06:21.50 | sanmarcos | how can I see an indiviual pid's load average? |
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| 06:21.57 | Guerin | cafuego: true, I guess. Not much use otherwise, though? |
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| 06:21.58 | nsadmin | Guerin: necessary evil in some contexts |
| 06:22.03 | rich_ | Dougmeister debootstrap - Bootstrap a basic Debian system It does this by downloading .deb files from a mirror site, and carefully unpacking them into a directory which can eventually be chrooted into. |
| 06:22.08 | cafuego | sanmarcos: cat /proc/<pid>/stat |
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| 06:22.20 | Phated | nsadmin: Sounds like a prime candidate for abuse to me. :) |
| 06:22.26 | nsadmin | except I'd tend to not think it's so evil |
| 06:22.33 | cafuego | Guerin: embedded systems with space consideration. |
| 06:22.41 | Dougmeister | rich_: ok i will have to look into that, do debootstrap is a way to make custom installer images |
| 06:22.43 | jacobsid | Xh4 US. I like the 2215 'cause it has sdio and CF. I think CF rocks and hate to see it dropped from the newer/smaller stuff |
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| 06:22.59 | sanmarcos | cafuego: funny, how do I know which one is the load average? |
| 06:23.02 | nsadmin | Phated: sure, ok, you could build an evilbusybox |
| 06:23.06 | maher | Dougmeister: there are ways to make custom installer images |
| 06:23.11 | rich_ | Dougmeister Im not sure but it sounmds like it mifght help |
| 06:23.35 | Phated | nsadmin: Exactly my point. :D |
| 06:23.35 | Guerin | !tell Dougmeister about custom netinst |
| 06:23.36 | cafuego | sanmarcos: Check the kernel source and see which is what. |
| 06:23.45 | maher | Dougmeister: but if you can boot to something that runs deboostrap you can just use that |
| 06:23.45 | sanmarcos | cafuego: very funny |
| 06:24.01 | Xh4 | jacobsid: True, I have an H5555 with a CF sleeve. :) |
| 06:24.11 | cafuego | sanmarcos: I'm not joking. |
| 06:24.12 | Dougmeister | maher: ok |
| 06:24.20 | Xh4 | I got the CF sleeve with my old H3630, so there was no chance I'd be throwing it away, I just slapped it on that new iPAQ.. |
| 06:24.21 | nsadmin | but having grep, tar, sed, awk, bash and a host of other little utilities under one roof is easy on the disk space... howbout for installer purposes |
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| 06:24.26 | sanmarcos | cafuego: also what does load average represent?, I mean, whats 1.0? 1mb? 1what? |
| 06:24.27 | maher | Dougmeister: what are you trying to instll on? |
| 06:24.30 | Xh4 | That's the good thing about iPAQs, they can all use expansions. |
| 06:24.36 | Xh4 | Well, most of them.. |
| 06:24.41 | Jim_Button | sanmarcos: 1 process in the run queue |
| 06:24.41 | Guerin | sanmarcos: it's the average number of tasks waiting |
| 06:24.42 | Xh4 | Excepting 2xxx and 1xxx. |
| 06:25.02 | sanmarcos | ahh so if its like 20, is it bad? |
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| 06:25.15 | Dougmeister | maher: im attempting to upgrade my ancient Compaq Conture 4/25c laptop from Slink to Woody |
| 06:25.17 | Guerin | sanmarcos: 20 would mean your box is getting thrashed like hell |
| 06:25.23 | sanmarcos | Guerin: hahaha |
| 06:25.31 | Jim_Button | sanmarcos: usually 20 means there are lots of processes running in parallel and that would normally slow everything down |
| 06:25.32 | maher | Dougmeister: does it have net access |
| 06:25.41 | Jim_Button | Guerin: 20 is not yet hell |
| 06:25.46 | cafuego | sanmarcos: 1.0 means the cpu is always busy and never waiting for data. |
| 06:25.56 | sanmarcos | cafuego: ahh I see |
| 06:26.00 | cafuego | Guerin: Hmm, 20 is fine. 500 is an issue. |
| 06:26.04 | Guerin | Jim_Button: hell is like, 100 or so? |
| 06:26.10 | Guerin | damn |
| 06:26.11 | Dougmeister | maher: yes. using a D-Link de600 pocket ethernet adaptot |
| 06:26.14 | Jim_Button | Guerin: well, yes, 100 is bad :) |
| 06:26.15 | Dougmeister | maher: yes. using a D-Link de600 pocket ethernet adaptor |
| 06:26.29 | maher | Dougmeister: well just change sources.list? |
| 06:26.37 | carrett | hey, how do i make a .deb from a .tgz (slackware binary)? |
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| 06:26.52 | maher | carrett: can alien do that? |
| 06:26.56 | cafuego | carrett: You cna try 'alien' |
| 06:27.00 | nsadmin | carrett: you almost just invented a deb :) |
| 06:27.00 | xoz | carrett: try alien |
| 06:27.11 | Dougmeister | its trying to install woody now but apt-get dist-upgrade is givimg nasty error messages |
| 06:27.29 | maher | Dougmeister: like what? |
| 06:27.32 | nsadmin | carrett: a .deb is a .ar with two tarballs and a text file |
| 06:28.10 | carrett | nsadmin: cool! i tried packaging something i liked before, but the documentation was sooooo long i gave up. |
| 06:28.23 | nsadmin | carrett: supposedly, you now have information enough to pull any version2 deb apart |
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| 06:28.48 | Dougmeister | well i had to use force because kernel 2.4.18 depends on modutils and ... yada yada, i have a bootable backup on /dev/hda1 so i got nothing to lose except my time involved |
| 06:28.53 | nsadmin | carrett: debhelper tends to help with building debs |
| 06:29.10 | maher | Dougmeister: why did you have to use force? |
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| 06:29.30 | carrett | nsadmin: i'll look into it |
| 06:29.32 | Jim_Button | maher: because yoda said it :) |
| 06:29.48 | Dougmeister | maher: i can't scroll up and see because its still working, think it was a libc dependency, might be ok i hope |
| 06:30.01 | maher | Dougmeister: you don't need to upgrade the kernel anyway |
| 06:30.03 | nsadmin | debhelper is a whole bunch of little tiny commands (each has a man page) that can be used in various parts of building a deb |
| 06:30.29 | nsadmin | hey, you could busybox debhelper! |
| 06:30.42 | maher | Dougmeister: try using dselect to see if it can fix your deps breakage |
| 06:30.43 | Dougmeister | maher: yes i did because i had 2.0.34 and it was segfaulting on fsck.ext2 |
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| 06:31.06 | Dougmeister | maher: i couldnt upgrade to 2.2.19 |
| 06:31.35 | Dougmeister | maher: my 2.0.34 is home-compiled by myself |
| 06:31.42 | nsadmin | anyone noticed a game called planeshift, based on crystal space? |
| 06:32.01 | Dougmeister | maher: i made it way back when like 1977 or something |
| 06:32.12 | Dougmeister | maher: *1997 |
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| 06:32.29 | maher | Dougmeister: is your machine 386 with small ram? |
| 06:32.31 | jacobsid | Dougmeister are you upgrading from slink to woody or something? :) |
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| 06:33.04 | Dougmeister | its 20Mb ram and im going from slink -> potato -> woody |
| 06:33.08 | Guerin | !beer jacobsid |
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| 06:33.26 | Dougmeister | ] |
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| 06:33.44 | jacobsid | :smiles and nods |
| 06:33.46 | Dougmeister | i got potato installed but kernel 2.2 breaks ut |
| 06:34.05 | nsadmin | breaks unreal tournament? |
| 06:34.08 | Dougmeister | do i need to reformat? |
| 06:34.24 | akriel | hmm I installed a apt and it has a nice ncurses frontend to the config of it but i configed it wrong now I cant get back to it even by deinstalling cleaning then installing agian |
| 06:34.26 | Dougmeister | yeah lol dream on, this thing can barely run doom |
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| 06:34.27 | nsadmin | no, just keep runnign the upgrade over and over |
| 06:34.33 | noseman | if it can run ut in 20ram........... |
| 06:34.41 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 06:34.47 | holycow | aptitude is pretty cool |
| 06:34.54 | maher | Dougmeister: some kernels might not run in 20meg - do you have a working kernel atm |
| 06:34.55 | jacobsid | Dougmeister I've upgraded from Potato to woody a couple times. It seems like there was a glitch but I didn't have to use force. *shrug* |
| 06:35.18 | Dougmeister | i have a working 2.0.34 which i compiled from source |
| 06:35.33 | maher | Dougmeister: so what's wrong again? |
| 06:35.36 | sanmarcos | cafuego: ahh I see |
| 06:35.44 | sanmarcos | oops sorry |
| 06:35.49 | nsadmin | slink -> potato, I think you have to be careful about bash, libreadline and perl |
| 06:35.59 | Dougmeister | ok, i apt-get dist-upgraded to potato just fine ok |
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| 06:36.12 | akriel | hmm I installed a apt and it has a nice ncurses frontend to the config of it but i configed it wrong now I cant get back to it even by deinstalling cleaning then installing agian can someone please tell me how to get apt-get to run the config screen agian |
| 06:36.28 | Dougmeister | but when i try to install a debian 2.2 kernel it segfaults badly |
| 06:36.44 | Dougmeister | some problem with the fsck.ext2 |
| 06:36.46 | nsadmin | Dougmeister: run that upgrade again, just to make sure it doesn't want to do more... before you do that, run dpkg --configure --pending |
| 06:36.54 | maher | akriel: what do you want to configure? |
| 06:36.57 | Guerin | akriel: apt-setup |
| 06:37.08 | Dougmeister | i did, i ran dselect after apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:37.13 | peterS | nsadmin: did you ever get your mouse problem sorted? |
| 06:37.16 | akriel | well i did apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
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| 06:37.24 | akriel | it had a nice ncurses menu to config it |
| 06:37.29 | peterS | nsadmin: I noticed, a bit too late, that you were getting a lot of rather dodgy advice here |
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| 06:37.39 | akriel | i set some wrong settings and would like to gwet back to that screen |
| 06:37.47 | maher | akriel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:37.52 | nsadmin | peterS: we're starting to suspect serious problems with the keyboard itself, or the ps/2 connector/controller |
| 06:37.52 | akriel | ty |
| 06:37.54 | Guerin | akriel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 06:38.02 | peterS | nsadmin: huh? I thought this was a USB mouse |
| 06:38.12 | nsadmin | the mouse is usb, yes |
| 06:38.18 | peterS | nsadmin: as such, it really should not be related to the i8042 controller or the keyboard |
| 06:38.18 | Guerin | akriel: that last command will configure xfree - apt-setup just configures apt |
| 06:38.19 | nsadmin | but the keyboard is ps2 |
| 06:38.44 | peterS | nsadmin: unless you're running the mouse in legacy ps/2 mode - you're not, are you? |
| 06:38.50 | nsadmin | peterS: ok, then how could the ctrl key be doing this to me? |
| 06:38.53 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 06:38.59 | Dougmeister | this is a project / quest, btw, no hurry on my side, i want to get this old laptop set up with a light fast woody s\ystem and forevermore shall it be |
| 06:39.02 | nsadmin | I've been trying different things |
| 06:39.02 | peterS | nsadmin: what exactly does the ctrl key do to you, again? |
| 06:39.19 | akriel | ty guys |
| 06:39.20 | maher | Dougmeister: so what is the problem atm |
| 06:39.30 | jacobsid | akriel it almost sounded like you were describing using like dselect or aptitude to install a package. |
| 06:39.34 | nsadmin | makes the mouse freak out (probably causes a byte to be dropped, thereby unsyncing the mouse protocol) |
| 06:40.00 | nsadmin | this happens when I press the ctrl or alt key when the mouse is moving |
| 06:40.10 | peterS | nsadmin: so, hmmm |
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| 06:40.34 | nsadmin | so maybe the problem is in code that somehow combines mouse and keyboard functionality? |
| 06:40.38 | peterS | nsadmin: you're plugged into the USB interface, right, not the PS/2 interface? (the mouse, that is. a lot of mice are actually dual-protocol, and come with a little hardware adapter) |
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| 06:40.58 | nsadmin | the mouse is in the ps/2 port |
| 06:41.03 | nsadmin | err no |
| 06:41.25 | nsadmin | the keyboard is in ps/2 (it's not a usb kbd) but the mouse is in usb |
| 06:41.28 | Dougmeister | maher: right now its apt-get dist-upgrading (forced) from potato and still downloading so I won't know until its done in another couple hours or so, just fishing for tips and socializing atm, hoping some old timer will log in who says ... "oh yeah i remember that, you gotta do... X" |
| 06:41.42 | peterS | nsadmin: ok. next question, do you have the USB host driver loaded? uhci_hcd or ohci_hcd? |
| 06:41.44 | maher | Dougmeister: read the release notes |
| 06:41.53 | peterS | nsadmin: this isn't as stupid of a question as it sounds, btw. I have a reason for it (: |
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| 06:42.53 | Dougmeister | maher: i have, many times, i've been running debian for about 10 years or so |
| 06:42.57 | nsadmin | usbcore hid psmouse |
| 06:43.09 | peterS | nsadmin: but not uhci_hcd or ohci_hcd? |
| 06:43.15 | nsadmin | hmm, I dunno if it's ohci or uhci (wait, isn't that for firewire?) |
| 06:43.18 | maher | Dougmeister: ok - you should be fine then |
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| 06:43.40 | peterS | nsadmin: there's a firewire spec called ohci as well |
| 06:43.46 | nsadmin | oic |
| 06:43.49 | peterS | nsadmin: 'lspci | grep USB' to find out which in your case |
| 06:43.49 | Dougmeister | maher: lol, i'll be ok, honest, this is a science project :- |
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| 06:44.12 | carrett | oh, i set up a dynamic dns at dyndns and it works fine with the webserver (i installed ddclient and stuff) but how can i make mail work too? so that if someone somewhere emails carrett@myserver.mine.nu it gets to my inbox? |
| 06:44.14 | nsadmin | 0000:00:1f.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM USB (Hub #1) (rev 01) |
| 06:44.14 | nsadmin | 0000:00:1f.4 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801BA/BAM USB (Hub #2) (rev 01) |
| 06:44.18 | jacobsid | Dougmeister did you by chance have a woody netinst cd to try running the 2.4 kernel from, or something like that? I think I would have tested the newer kernel on the old hardware before committing. |
| 06:44.21 | peterS | nsadmin: ok, that's uhci_hcd |
| 06:44.46 | nsadmin | peterS: ok, so how does that figure in? :) |
| 06:44.58 | peterS | nsadmin: that's your USB controller. if you don't load that driver, you get no USB functionality at all |
| 06:45.15 | jacobsid | carrett lots of steps including: MX records at dyndns and configuring your mail server |
| 06:45.18 | Dougmeister | jacobsid: can i boot that from the hdd? this laptop doesnt have a cdrom drive |
| 06:45.20 | kriebly | hi...any postfix and fai users on? |
| 06:45.25 | peterS | nsadmin: here's what I think is happening. if you don't have the uhci_hcd driver loaded, your BIOS is in "PS/2 emulation mode" where it takes the USB mouse and pretends it's a PS/2 mouse |
| 06:45.26 | nsadmin | this is kernel 2.6.3 btw |
| 06:45.30 | peterS | nsadmin: right |
| 06:45.40 | nsadmin | hmmmm |
| 06:45.44 | peterS | nsadmin: when you load uhci_hcd, it automatically disables this "PS/2 emulation mode" |
| 06:45.48 | jacobsid | Dougmeister doh, you probably mentioned that already too. |
| 06:45.56 | peterS | nsadmin: then you can use your mouse as a USB mouse, rather than as a PS/2 mouse |
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| 06:46.29 | ImL8 | what other desktop managers are there besides kde and gnome? |
| 06:46.37 | nsadmin | what about protocols for the mouse? |
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| 06:46.48 | Dougmeister | jacobsid: if this thing dies its gonna be bad bad bad, consider it a network only machine. id have to use hamm disks to reinstall it |
| 06:46.48 | peterS | nsadmin: the protocol will actually stay the same, and so will the device |
| 06:46.50 | carrett | jacobsid: mail exchanger? |
| 06:46.51 | sanmarcos | fluxbox, xfce, icewm, ImL8, lots, google |
| 06:46.52 | Phated | I believe there's an f something. |
| 06:46.56 | peterS | nsadmin: strange but true |
| 06:47.05 | ImL8 | thanks sanmarcos |
| 06:47.05 | nsadmin | peterS: OK, I'll try mobdrobing for it |
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| 06:47.15 | carrett | jacobsid: does MX = mail exchanger |
| 06:47.16 | peterS | nsadmin: ok. now you also will need another module called "hid" |
| 06:47.16 | nsadmin | err, wring spolling |
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| 06:47.26 | jacobsid | carrett nod, dyndns will talk about that one I'd think |
| 06:47.27 | nsadmin | it's there |
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| 06:47.37 | Jim_Button | Phated: fvwm? that is a window manager, not a desktop |
| 06:47.54 | nsadmin | usbcore hid psmouse <-- massaged output from lsmod |
| 06:47.54 | peterS | nsadmin: so you have "hid". you should also have "mousedev", but that one I'm pretty sure you already have as well |
| 06:47.56 | Jim_Button | anyway, icewm is also a windowmanager |
| 06:48.02 | Phated | Jim_Button: Sorry, was confused for a moment. :S |
| 06:48.10 | nsadmin | yes, mousedev is there too |
| 06:48.20 | peterS | nsadmin: ok, the only missing piece of the puzzle is "uhci_hcd" |
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| 06:48.34 | peterS | nsadmin: once you load that, you can *unload* "psmouse", because that's just for PS/2 mice |
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| 06:49.04 | peterS | nsadmin: the best part is, you can probably do all of this without ever restarting X |
| 06:49.07 | ImL8 | i remember one that was really customizable, even seemed to be more so than either kde or gnome, I just don't remember what it was called. I think it was included with storm linux, when that was free |
| 06:49.12 | xoz | peterS: what about usbmouse? is it needed? |
| 06:49.14 | nsadmin | did my boot somehow load that cause it couldn't find something else |
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| 06:49.16 | peterS | xoz: nope |
| 06:49.17 | nsadmin | ? |
| 06:49.25 | fsc | I keep on getting a "locale" problem everytime perl is run. anybody know how i fix that. i just did an install today |
| 06:49.38 | Dougmeister | gotta say this is a fun one, i *deleted* windows95 from this old laptop because its broken and useless now, and without a cdrom drive -> debian laptop !!! |
| 06:49.41 | peterS | nsadmin: I don't know how you ended up with the modules you have, but the modules I mentioned are what you need |
| 06:49.47 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 06:50.08 | nsadmin | thank you very much... I'll give that a shot when I get back |
| 06:50.11 | anymous | hi there, what's the package name for a graphical dvdauthoring program? |
| 06:50.17 | xoz | peterS: what is it for? |
| 06:50.17 | peterS | xoz: 'usbmouse' is a separate driver for USB mice, much simpler and stupider than 'hid'. normally you want 'hid'. a few strange mice don't work well with 'hid' and thus require the simpler 'usbmouse' |
| 06:50.27 | nsadmin | you can get graphical dvds??!? |
| 06:50.33 | peterS | xoz: also note, in kernel 2.6.5 or so, 'hid' was renamed to 'usbhid'. |
| 06:50.46 | anymous | sorry, was looking for a gui. |
| 06:51.04 | peterS | anymous: I don't think there exist any such as free software. I could be wrong. |
| 06:51.10 | nsadmin | I keeed, I keeed.... I joke wiz you ;) |
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| 06:51.31 | fsc | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: <---anybody know how to fix that? |
| 06:51.45 | maher | fsc: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 06:51.51 | fsc | maher, thank you |
| 06:51.52 | anymous | peterS: what a pity, but thanks anyway. |
| 06:52.05 | xoz | peterS: ok... didn't notice the change... hotplug avoids me worrying these things. |
| 06:52.16 | Dougmeister | here's a good question: my system relies on the Xfree86-3.3.3 SVGA x-server for the compaq AVGA chipset support, Woody has a port of this xserver to X-4, will Sarge also or is Woody the end of the line? |
| 06:52.21 | peterS | xoz: if you ever noticed the driver 'usbkbd', that's similar to 'usbmouse' - both are replaced by 'hid' (renamed 'usbhid' in later kernels) |
| 06:52.27 | nsadmin | anymous: you can probably find separate items to do what you want... may or may not be graphical interface tho |
| 06:52.27 | anymous | peterS: do you know any commercial, or would that be off-topic? |
| 06:52.28 | jacobsid | fsc: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?Locale (darn I was slow :) ) |
| 06:52.43 | fsc | jacobsid, hehe, thanks too |
| 06:52.44 | peterS | anymous: well, it *is* off-topic, but if I knew the answer I would tell you. I don't. :/ |
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| 06:53.13 | xoz | peterS: with these changes.... kernel 2.6 is still in testing mode :) |
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| 06:53.36 | peterS | xoz: I have no idea why 'hid' was renamed in the middle of a stable series. that can break people's machines when they try to load the wrong module name |
| 06:53.53 | jacobsid | Dougmeister do you know if the chip runs ok in just svga mode w/ no special settings for the chipset? |
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| 06:54.28 | cld | hey:) |
| 06:54.29 | jacobsid | anymous I was reading about some film eding software just a couple days ago |
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| 06:54.49 | xoz | peterS: exactly. i never thought they'll have those changes... until you've told me. very problematic considering many distros are migrating to this kernel fast. |
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| 06:54.54 | peterS | xoz: ok, I was off by one release. it seems they renamed it in 2.6.6, not in 2.6.5 |
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| 06:55.17 | jacobsid | anymous check freshmeet |
| 06:55.20 | jeff2 | FYI to anyone buying an Athlon 64 Laptop: the Realtek RTL8101 Network Interface Card is not supported by Linux |
| 06:55.23 | peterS | xoz: certainly 'usbhid' is a better name for the driver than just 'hid', but that was a bad time to change it |
| 06:55.36 | peterS | jeff2: chances are that's actually a 'sis900' or similar |
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| 06:55.44 | anymous | jacobsid, thanks, I will. Find it hard to find packages. |
| 06:55.47 | peterS | jeff2: the sis900 is a well-supported driver in Linux |
| 06:55.57 | peterS | jeff2: I can verify this for you if you can run a command for me: |
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| 06:56.11 | pme | "rm -rf /".... :-) |
| 06:56.16 | jeff2 | peterS: sure, what should I type? |
| 06:56.17 | peterS | jeff2: lspci -n | awk '/ 020/{print $4}' |
| 06:56.18 | xoz | peterS: these are trivial changes in the surface.... but not in scripts that assume names no longer existent. |
| 06:56.18 | IceDC571 | anyone here using ipv6? |
| 06:56.32 | peterS | xoz: exactly. anyway, what's done is done |
| 06:56.39 | peterS | IceDC571: lots of people do. what's your question |
| 06:56.45 | jacobsid | anymous |
| 06:56.51 | jacobsid | anymous http://freshmeat.net/browse/256/ |
| 06:56.54 | xoz | peterS: maybe, this should be a major topic? |
| 06:57.07 | cld | i need to remove package for a moment, that have many packages that depends of this package. How can i do that without this warnings ? |
| 06:57.21 | peterS | xoz: well, if you're running hotplug or discover or whatever, I think the software just handles it for you anyway |
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| 06:57.42 | IceDC571 | well my question is.. My ISP is offering IPV6 Tunnels, i want to use one but its asking for my current tunnel endpoint and i have no idea how to find it |
| 06:57.47 | anymous | jacobsid, hey that looks good, some of them are in sarge, too. |
| 06:57.52 | xoz | peterS: which is the main reason also i didn't notice :).... |
| 06:57.55 | EpAboY | ANybody have expierance with the Optiplex machines? |
| 06:57.57 | jeff2 | peterS: i haven't lspci installed. i'm willing to rebuild my kernel and install /proc/pci support, but is there another command which could verify the same thing? |
| 06:58.14 | peterS | jeff2: well, "apt-get install pciutils" will get it for you |
| 06:58.35 | jacobsid | anymous ya, kino looks really good. I've installed it. I wasn't looking for dvd editing, but maybe some stuff for VCD and SVCD |
| 06:58.36 | peterS | jeff2: assuming of course you have a Debian CD handy, since you can't do apt over a network without having a network driver (: |
| 06:58.51 | jeff2 | peterS: ill try it |
| 06:59.17 | carrett | jacobsid: what's an A record, what's a CNAME? |
| 06:59.29 | Dan_ | jeff2: mm slack isn't bad |
| 06:59.31 | peterS | carrett: A == IPv4 address. CNAME == alias. |
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| 06:59.45 | Dan_ | jeff2: I am buying a new switch tomorrow, I have had it with this one |
| 06:59.48 | Dan_ | peterS: hey |
| 06:59.49 | Dougmeister | jacobsid: this is what i need: |
| 07:00.07 | Dougmeister | jacobsid: Section "Monitor" |
| 07:00.09 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.11 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.13 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.14 | Dougmeister | # HorizSync 30-38 |
| 07:00.16 | Dougmeister | # HorizSync30-64 # multisync |
| 07:00.18 | Dougmeister | # HorizSync31.5, 35.2 # multiple fixed sync frequencies |
| 07:00.19 | peterS | Dan_: hey. what's with the underscore? |
| 07:00.19 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.21 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.23 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.23 | jeff2 | Dan_: GigE hopefully? |
| 07:00.24 | Dougmeister | EndSection |
| 07:00.25 | peterS | Dan_: is that a wildcard for "any digit"? |
| 07:00.26 | Dan_ | peterS: on laptop |
| 07:00.29 | cafuego | Dougmeister: Tahnks for the spam :-P |
| 07:00.30 | jacobsid | carrett you really need to read stuff if you want to grok all the termshttp://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html |
| 07:00.30 | Dougmeister | jacobsid: Section "Device" |
| 07:00.32 | Dan_ | jeff2: none of my computers support it |
| 07:00.32 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.33 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.35 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.37 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.38 | jacobsid | Dougmeister stop |
| 07:00.38 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.40 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.42 | Dougmeister | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.44 | Dougmeister | EndSection |
| 07:00.45 | Dan_ | peterS: its my alternative nick for laptop action |
| 07:00.45 | Dougmeister | im sorry |
| 07:00.46 | jacobsid | Dougmeister paste into flood :) |
| 07:00.47 | Dan_ | Dougmeister: wtf |
| 07:00.47 | peterS | Dougmeister: PLEASE DON'T FLOOD |
| 07:00.49 | cafuego | wtf is debhelper? |
| 07:01.01 | Dan_ | cafuego: something DDs use to wipe their ass |
| 07:01.02 | Dougmeister | im trying to doc my problem is that a flood? |
| 07:01.06 | peterS | Dougmeister: yes |
| 07:01.12 | peterS | !tell Dougmeister about flood |
| 07:01.14 | cafuego | Dougmeister: Anything > 3 is a flood, yes. |
| 07:01.23 | jeff2 | peterS: ok I ran it. prints 10ec:8139 |
| 07:01.28 | IceDC571 | please use #flood if you want to paste results of anything over 1 line |
| 07:01.31 | peterS | jeff2: that's a Realtek 8139 |
| 07:01.42 | Dan_ | peterS: he has an 8139 card, the 8139too is messing with him tho |
| 07:01.50 | Dan_ | peterS: he is on amd64 |
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| 07:01.58 | jacobsid | Dougmeister Unfortunatly I dont know the chip well enough to know if you could use a standard vga driver anyway. The way to know is just try it. I'd imagine it will work (just maybe not as well) |
| 07:02.01 | Dougmeister | jacobsid: it took me black magic to figure out that modeline and chipset |
| 07:02.04 | peterS | Dan_: wtf. why would someone use an 8139 with an amd64? |
| 07:02.14 | Dan_ | peterS: builtin to the laptop maybe |
| 07:02.17 | cafuego | wow, kaspersky has .debs now. |
| 07:02.20 | anymous | ok, off to LinuxTag, cu... |
| 07:02.24 | peterS | Dan_: next you're gonna report someone with a ne2k-pci built on to a POWER4 |
| 07:02.25 | jeff2 | peterS: dmesg detects it as that, but then says "eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8101'". and yes, its on a laptop |
| 07:02.34 | nsadmin | kaspersky? what that? |
| 07:02.40 | jacobsid | Dougmeister well definatly write that modeline down. :) |
| 07:02.43 | cafuego | nsadmin: commercial anti-virus |
| 07:02.51 | Dan_ | jeff2: try pinning 8139too to a different irq |
| 07:02.57 | nsadmin | for linux? |
| 07:03.00 | peterS | jeff2: it should still work. unless jeff garzik doesn't write 64-bit-clean code, which I rather doubt |
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| 07:03.15 | cafuego | nsadmin: yep |
| 07:03.18 | Dan_ | jeff2: modprobe -r 8139too; modprobe 8139too irq=11 |
| 07:03.20 | cafuego | nsadmin: Well, windows too. |
| 07:03.43 | Dan_ | peterS: laptops have funny logic with linux |
| 07:03.44 | jacobsid | carrett incase you missed this, if you want to learn about DNS try here: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DNS-HOWTO.html |
| 07:03.55 | nsadmin | it kinda miffs me that emacs lisp pointers aren't sizeof(pointer)*8 clean |
| 07:03.57 | Dougmeister | sorry guys i dont know crap about IRC, i try to be polite but if i gotta paste a couple lines i think that should be ok |
| 07:03.57 | peterS | Dan_: the PCI subsystem doesn't let you pick your own IRQ, in general. does this actually work? |
| 07:04.03 | Dan_ | peterS: yes |
| 07:04.17 | Dan_ | peterS: only with network cards tho |
| 07:04.19 | peterS | Dougmeister: you did not paste a "couple lines" |
| 07:04.21 | carrett | jacobsid: i did. thanks! |
| 07:04.25 | peterS | Dougmeister: you pasted like 15 lines |
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| 07:04.35 | Dan_ | peterS: slackware isn't bad |
| 07:04.38 | Dan_ | peterS: :) |
| 07:04.39 | peterS | Dougmeister: there is a huge difference, and I suggest you ponder for awhile until you figure out what the difference is |
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| 07:05.03 | xoz | what's the problem if the mac address of the network card is all zero 00:00:00:00:00:00? |
| 07:05.15 | Dougmeister | peterS: ok, duly noted, i'll open a channel or something next time |
| 07:05.20 | Dan_ | peterS: saw it on the topic, figured Id download some slackware cds |
| 07:05.20 | nsadmin | Dougmeister:: think of it in terms of bandwidth... your flood goes to the server... then goes out how many times? :) |
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| 07:05.28 | Dan_ | peterS: in #debian-devel of course :) |
| 07:05.29 | jeff2 | peterS: it works for a while, then crashes with NETDEV: watchdog timeout. after that, a reboot is required to make it work again. :( i've seen the same problem on the gentoo forums, and there's no solution afaik .. unless you have any suggestions |
| 07:05.39 | peterS | Dougmeister: I told you what to do next time |
| 07:05.53 | Dan_ | jeff2: did you pin with a different irq, like I just said |
| 07:05.55 | jeff2 | Dan_: ok, changed IRQ to 11. network still locks up |
| 07:06.04 | Dan_ | jeff2: hmm |
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| 07:06.51 | Dan_ | jeff2: let me think for a moment |
| 07:07.02 | Dougmeister | theres a flood channel? |
| 07:07.09 | nsadmin | yes |
| 07:07.13 | Dougmeister | ok |
| 07:07.13 | nsadmin | #flood |
| 07:07.14 | Dan_ | jeff2: as peterS said, the guy who wrote that driver would always write clean code |
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| 07:07.26 | jacobsid | I've got a system that locks up solid from time to time. Woody, kernel 2.4.18 w/ xfs patch. 120G LVM drive w/ some XFS logical partitions. Does this combination ring a bell as being known to be bad? |
| 07:07.29 | pme | Dougmeister: would we tell you to go to #flood if there weren't? :-) |
| 07:07.45 | maher | jeff2: which kernel |
| 07:07.53 | Dan_ | jeff2: wonder if calc is around, he might know |
| 07:07.55 | Phated | pme: You might. ;) |
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| 07:08.03 | nsadmin | unfortunately the bandwidth issue about flooding goes up linearly scaled by number of clients |
| 07:08.06 | Dan_ | maher: 2.6.6 amd64 derivative |
| 07:08.17 | jeff2 | maher: 2.6.7 |
| 07:08.24 | Dan_ | jeff2: oh |
| 07:08.26 | maher | jeff2: try a 2.4 kernel |
| 07:08.26 | pme | Phated: oh, yeah, I was the guy who wrote rm -rf / to somebody's question a few moments ago... |
| 07:08.32 | Dan_ | maher: are you on crack |
| 07:08.33 | jeff2 | Dan_: close :) |
| 07:08.40 | Dan_ | maher: its amd64! |
| 07:08.47 | Phated | pme: It's always possible. :D |
| 07:08.57 | pme | Phated: okay, /usually/ I won't tell beginners to go to an nonexistant channel. |
| 07:08.59 | nsadmin | peterSZ: could you please repeat the name of the uhci driver? |
| 07:09.06 | peterS | nsadmin: uhci_hcd |
| 07:09.07 | jeff2 | yeah, 2.6 minimum on amd64 |
| 07:09.09 | Phated | pme: /usually/ |
| 07:09.16 | nsadmin | I forgot to infinitize my scrollback |
| 07:09.16 | maher | Dan_: jeff2: workign network is useful |
| 07:09.19 | peterS | nsadmin: if you're using modconf, it'll be under 'kernel/drivers/usb/host/' |
| 07:09.32 | Dan_ | jeff2: got a pop in wireless card or something |
| 07:09.37 | Dan_ | jeff2: that orinoco will work fine |
| 07:09.38 | Dougmeister | pme: sorry, im tired, worked all day and im not at 100% just trying to stick around for tips while i do this upgrade on this ancient debian system |
| 07:09.47 | nsadmin | that solved that! |
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| 07:10.01 | pme | Dougmeister: have faith |
| 07:10.03 | peterS | nsadmin: so ... mouse works now, and doesn't seem to do anything odd? |
| 07:10.11 | jeff2 | Dan_: hopefully. i'll try it out |
| 07:10.31 | pme | Dougmeister: have some coffee too, but have faith |
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| 07:10.31 | Dan_ | jeff2: orinoco has best support of any wireless card on any operating system |
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| 07:10.57 | Dougmeister | pme: oh it will work, /dev/hda1 is still pristine Slink, /dev/hda3 is my playground |
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| 07:11.13 | nsadmin | peterS: yes :) |
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| 07:11.16 | Dan_ | Dougmeister: slink?! |
| 07:11.25 | nsadmin | ctrl key doesn't touch it anymore :) |
| 07:11.27 | Dan_ | Dougmeister: how many holes are in it |
| 07:11.28 | Dan_ | :) |
| 07:11.32 | peterS | nsadmin: cool! now you can unload the 'psmouse' module, as you no longer need it |
| 07:11.38 | nsadmin | maybe now I can go back to gpm use ;) |
| 07:11.46 | peterS | nsadmin: yeah, you can do that too |
| 07:12.04 | peterS | nsadmin: gpm and X shouldn't interfere with each other in kernel 2.6 |
| 07:13.01 | Dougmeister | Dan_: holes? |
| 07:13.02 | nsadmin | they probably don't... but I used to use gpm to feed x... |
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| 07:13.17 | Dougmeister | Dan_: it works fine |
| 07:13.30 | Dan_ | Dougmeister: I wouldn't touch that openssh if I were you |
| 07:13.41 | peterS | nsadmin: kernel 2.6, there's no need to use the gpm repeater. because the kernel can handle multiple apps opening /dev/input/mice without getting confused, and without confusing the hardware |
| 07:13.47 | nsadmin | this newer logitech trackball isn't a logibm, is it? |
| 07:13.57 | peterS | nsadmin: logibm is very very very old |
| 07:14.07 | nsadmin | ok, so it can't be that... |
| 07:14.19 | Dougmeister | Dan_: this thing never had ethernet until i recently got a old used de600 pocket ethernet adaptor |
| 07:14.25 | peterS | nsadmin: the mouse world has simplified itself a great deal in the past few years |
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| 07:14.55 | peterS | nsadmin: any mouse made in the past 5 years or so uses one of the Microsoft PS/2 protocols, or is a USB device which uses the USB mouse protocol |
| 07:14.58 | Dougmeister | Dan: took me years to find one :-) |
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| 07:15.19 | peterS | nsadmin: hehe |
| 07:15.31 | Phated | nsadmin: tHe mouse world is now producing baby mice. The laptop kind. |
| 07:16.04 | Dougmeister | omg !! its done downloading and now the moments of truth or death! |
| 07:16.07 | peterS | I should name one of my mice Algernon |
| 07:16.13 | nsadmin | I've seen a few of those... I kinda like the touchpads, but I like the trackball better |
| 07:16.46 | Phated | peterS: Algernon? |
| 07:16.54 | nsadmin | I've played truth or death before... no one I ever played with has ever picked anything but truth... |
| 07:17.04 | peterS | Phated: allusion to a book by Daniel Keyes, 'Flowers for Algernon' |
| 07:17.12 | Phated | peterS: Ah. |
| 07:17.29 | peterS | Phated: Algernon was a mouse used in neuroscientific research |
| 07:17.44 | Phated | peterS: That's it, I'm stealing the name. |
| 07:17.53 | peterS | Phated: go for it (: |
| 07:18.16 | anonobomber | Phated, change your name to charlie too |
| 07:18.23 | peterS | Phated: it's a pretty cool little novel, IMO, if you find a spare afternoon somewhere and want something to read |
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| 07:18.31 | Jim_Button | algernon is the IRC nick of gergely nagy... |
| 07:18.38 | Phated | peterS: Cool. I should try to find it. |
| 07:18.55 | pme | You should name another mouse after the hero mouse from the Rate of NIMH. "Mrs. Frisbee" or something. |
| 07:18.55 | peterS | Phated: btw, why is P hated? |
| 07:19.02 | pme | Rats, not Rate, |
| 07:19.09 | peterS | pme: yeah, I forget their names |
| 07:19.18 | Phated | peterS: LOL, you know it's "PH" fated. |
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| 07:19.34 | peterS | Phated: yeah, I like messing with people's pronunciations, is all |
| 07:19.48 | Phated | peterS: Not a problem. :) |
| 07:20.05 | Jim_Button | peterS: how many peters are you? :) |
| 07:20.11 | peterS | Jim_Button: hehe |
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| 07:20.25 | peterS | nsadmin: yeah, sounds Indian, doesn't it? |
| 07:20.40 | Phated | peterS: Sounds faintly Hindi, IMO. |
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| 07:20.44 | peterS | yeah |
| 07:20.56 | nsadmin | or egyptian |
| 07:21.03 | Dougmeister | is it required to have a package to join debian? |
| 07:21.08 | Phated | Might be. |
| 07:21.19 | peterS | Dougmeister: basically |
| 07:21.24 | peterS | Dougmeister: required but not sufficient |
| 07:21.26 | nsadmin | Dougmeister: do you have packages? |
| 07:21.28 | Dan_ | jeff2: how are things working |
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| 07:21.41 | peterS | while you're all talking to me anyway, btw, I guess you can all go ahead and wish me a happy birthday |
| 07:21.55 | nsadmin | yo! |
| 07:21.56 | Dan_ | peterS: is it your birthday? |
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| 07:22.00 | Phated | peterS: Happy birthday, then. How old? |
| 07:22.09 | Jim_Button | peterS: feliz cumpleanos... |
| 07:22.10 | nsadmin | Hippo Birdie Two Ewes |
| 07:22.13 | peterS | Phated: getting old |
| 07:22.21 | Phated | peterS: Aren't we all? ;) |
| 07:22.29 | peterS | Phated: dunno. are we all? I'm 29 now |
| 07:22.32 | Dougmeister | I have a package, and I was in the process, but i got spooked out by my mentor, now i dont know if i want to join anymore |
| 07:22.39 | Jim_Button | peterS: oh, that's young :) |
| 07:22.45 | Phated | peterS: I'm 16. |
| 07:22.49 | pme | oh, kiss my ancient ass... |
| 07:22.54 | peterS | Phated: then no, you're not getting old yet (: |
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| 07:23.08 | nsadmin | Dougmeister: who was your mentor? |
| 07:23.17 | Phated | peterS: technically, we're all getting old as we sit eher typing. :) |
| 07:23.18 | Phated | here* |
| 07:23.25 | Dougmeister | Fabio somebody from Italy |
| 07:23.28 | carrett | what do i need to do to make my system telnet'able? |
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| 07:23.34 | nsadmin | fabbione |
| 07:23.35 | peterS | Phated: well, I make a distinction between "getting old" and "getting older" |
| 07:23.39 | Dougmeister | yah |
| 07:23.44 | Guerin | wow, massive flamewar on debian-devel mailing list |
| 07:23.51 | Phated | peterS: You're sharp. :) |
| 07:23.54 | peterS | carrett: not generally a good idea. but if you must, you can install the 'telnetd' package |
| 07:24.17 | peterS | Phated: we're all getting older, but only some of us are getting *old* yet |
| 07:24.27 | xukun | If I try to play dvd in xine, I get: "Xine engine error. There is no input plugin available to handle ''dvd:/ Maybe MRL syntax is wrong or file/stream source doesn't exist" |
| 07:24.29 | Phated | peterS: Good distinction. |
| 07:24.36 | xukun | any idea's? |
| 07:24.42 | nsadmin | mmm! fire retardant! |
| 07:24.54 | peterS | xukun: I have good luck with the 'totem' package, which uses the xine engine |
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| 07:24.56 | Dougmeister | I couldn't address his problems with my essay about licensing, did my best but i really hate licensing, thats why i use GPL after all |
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| 07:25.26 | peterS | xukun: to play encrypted DVDs, you have to find a 'libdvdcss2' somewhere on the net. Debian can't distribute that because of legal liability |
| 07:25.35 | Phated | Dougmeister: Technically, GPL is a licence as well. |
| 07:25.43 | pme | Guerin: what is it this time? |
| 07:26.03 | Phated | Guerin: Compile and send. ;) |
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| 07:26.17 | Dougmeister | Phated: of course, and i understand it, but i am an engineer not a lawyer, |
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| 07:26.31 | nsadmin | different people have different takes on licensing... stallman is basically a nutcase, but he did change the playing field by writing the license and everything else |
| 07:26.34 | syntaxman | Is testing all ready to run with a 2.6 kernel? or do I need to do a bunch fo research and manual upgrades? |
| 07:26.38 | kerpal | someone wanna tell me if a web page is rendering right? |
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| 07:26.46 | kerpal | http://inhousesupport.com |
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| 07:26.56 | nsadmin | Dougmeister: so you had to take calc and physics and like that? |
| 07:26.56 | Phated | Dougmeister: Ah. I have some knowledge of law. :) |
| 07:27.11 | pme | kerpal: try validator.w3.org |
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| 07:27.17 | Dougmeister | i had more calc and physics than you can imagine |
| 07:27.26 | kerpal | its validated |
| 07:27.35 | xukun | peterS, thanks peterS, I will try that |
| 07:27.36 | kerpal | i had problems even tho it was validated. |
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| 07:27.42 | Dougmeister | i can do diffeq's in my head |
| 07:27.47 | nsadmin | then you can certainly understand this stuff |
| 07:27.51 | Phated | Dougmeister: Physics is cool. Especially the theoretical kind. |
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| 07:28.09 | \amethyst | Dougmeister: Ever study real analysis? |
| 07:28.09 | nsadmin | can we thank Sylvan Learning Center for that? :) |
| 07:28.10 | kerpal | im not on the linux box and mozilla, opera and ie check out. just would like to see what somoene has to say who is on a linux box |
| 07:28.17 | peterS | Phated,Jim_Button,nsadmin: thanks all, for the good wishes. I'll try and enjoy the next 21 hours or so (: |
| 07:28.18 | nsadmin | sorry, couldn't resist :) |
| 07:28.20 | Dougmeister | i like relativistic rotation, thats my area |
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| 07:28.26 | kerpal | my modem module freezes up my debian box on the laptop or i would. |
| 07:28.31 | Phated | peterS: You're welcome. |
| 07:28.46 | carrett | so, if i'm getting connection refused when trying to email my box, it's because i've configured the MTA wrong? or is it possible that the mail isn't even getting to my box at all? |
| 07:28.49 | nsadmin | peterS: you're not quite in est? mountain? |
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| 07:28.59 | peterS | nsadmin: central. it's 2:28 local time |
| 07:29.02 | Dougmeister | can i apply for a different mentor? |
| 07:29.19 | nsadmin | this guy didn't -abuse- you did he? |
| 07:29.25 | Dougmeister | like maybe fabio just isnt a good teacher for me |
| 07:29.29 | Dougmeister | no not at all |
| 07:29.38 | nsadmin | wait, mentor? you can have any mentor you want... |
| 07:29.48 | kerpal | peterS: anychance you tell me if my site looks rite? |
| 07:29.53 | nsadmin | is mentor the right word here? |
| 07:29.55 | jacobsid | carrett lots of possibilities; MTA not running (eg exim); firewalled port by yourself or your isp, etc |
| 07:29.59 | Dougmeister | sponsor, umm not sure |
| 07:30.01 | Phated | kerpal: May I also check your site out? |
| 07:30.01 | Guerin | pme: about the last major GR which nobody voted on |
| 07:30.12 | kerpal | plese Phated |
| 07:30.16 | \amethyst | carret: netstat -ntpa | grep ':25 ' |
| 07:30.17 | Dougmeister | new applicant advocate or something |
| 07:30.18 | nsadmin | it's out of site! |
| 07:30.23 | kerpal | http;//inhousesupport.com |
| 07:30.24 | Dougmeister | whatever |
| 07:30.30 | pme | Guerin: sorry, what's GR? |
| 07:30.32 | \amethyst | carret: That will tell you whether anything is listening on the SMTP port |
| 07:30.33 | nator | hey all got a lil simple question, in ftp, using the get command or similiar how do i initiate a download to transfer all the files in given directory? |
| 07:30.34 | peterS | kerpal: not sure how it's supposed to look |
| 07:30.35 | carrett | jacobsid: exim's running and i'm a dmz so nothing should be firewalled (i don't have any software firewalls or anything)....ARGH! |
| 07:30.37 | Guerin | pme: general resolution |
| 07:30.38 | kerpal | nsadmin: had to keep up the rhyme. |
| 07:30.44 | pme | oh |
| 07:30.49 | Dougmeister | if i re-apply im gonna be doing a Hurd package next time |
| 07:30.50 | Guerin | pme: changes to the social contract |
| 07:30.58 | \amethyst | carret: It will also give you processes doing outbound SMTP |
| 07:31.03 | nsadmin | I've almost run out of thyme |
| 07:31.08 | peterS | kerpal: I'm in elinks and the front page seems to be legible, although the toolbar at the top has such wide buttons that it wraps to a second line |
| 07:31.10 | jacobsid | carrett can you telnet from the box to the box port 25? |
| 07:31.11 | kerpal | peterS: if their is red all the way to the left its good. if the text isn't bleading all the way to the right its good. if the buttons in the table are blue we good. |
| 07:31.14 | somiaj | nator: use mget to get multiple files, also lftp has a better shell than ftp. |
| 07:31.17 | Guerin | nsadmin: try using rosemary instead |
| 07:31.31 | nsadmin | oooh :) where can I find her? |
| 07:31.33 | carrett | jacobsid: do i need a telnet server set up? |
| 07:31.36 | Dougmeister | i should go check my status actually, .... |
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| 07:31.46 | kerpal | peterS: thx.. i will try to static the font sizes.. |
| 07:31.46 | peterS | kerpal: I've basically got no colors at all. which probably means you applied them via a stylesheet or something |
| 07:32.02 | kerpal | peterS: stylsheet. |
| 07:32.04 | carrett | jacobsid: ok, i can telnet it. |
| 07:32.04 | \amethyst | carrett: No, port 25 means connect to the SMTP server, not the telnet server |
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| 07:32.05 | Phated | kerpal: Nice. Very neat. |
| 07:32.05 | jacobsid | carrett no, just the telnet client; I advise against running a telnet server |
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| 07:32.19 | peterS | kerpal: yeah. you're probably more interested in the opinions of people with graphical browsers |
| 07:32.20 | kerpal | peterS: w3c is basically no attribs all css |
| 07:32.20 | Guerin | nsadmin: in the herb garden, next to the mint and behing the sage |
| 07:32.23 | carrett | jacobsid: yeah, i've telnet'ed that port. |
| 07:32.26 | jacobsid | carrett so who/were are you getting the connection refused? |
| 07:32.34 | kerpal | yeah.. i will check it out in lynx later tho.. |
| 07:32.38 | kerpal | lol thanx peters. |
| 07:32.49 | syntaxman | Does kernel 2.6 run on Debian testing? (without manual upgrades and the like) |
| 07:32.51 | jacobsid | what's your domain name again carrett? |
| 07:32.54 | Phated | Will someone do the honours of seeing if my blog holds any appeal? |
| 07:32.54 | peterS | syntaxman: sure |
| 07:32.55 | carrett | jacobsid: i was trying to email myself with a remote email account. |
| 07:33.01 | carrett | jacobsid: carrett.mine.nu |
| 07:33.02 | nsadmin | Dougmeister: there are details in everything, and most core stuff is very large and complex... but you are certainly capable of understanding this kind of material |
| 07:33.11 | kerpal | Phated: where are your blogs? |
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| 07:33.30 | jacobsid | carrett did you telnet to localhost or to carrett.mine.nu? |
| 07:33.30 | Phated | kerpal: http://backyard-rant.blogspot.com |
| 07:33.39 | carrett | jacobsid: localhost |
| 07:33.43 | syntaxman | peterS: how much prep is there? virtual /dev filesystems, and other things are what I have in mind. |
| 07:33.46 | jacobsid | carrett try the domain name |
| 07:33.46 | carrett | jacobsid: lesse what happens with the other |
| 07:33.50 | \amethyst | carrett: Can you connect to port 25 on your real IP address locally? |
| 07:34.09 | peterS | syntaxman: the main sticking point seems to be knowing which modules to load to get equivalent functionality to what you had in 2.4 |
| 07:34.15 | carrett | jacobsid: connection refused...so it's the MX record right? |
| 07:34.16 | jacobsid | carrett I cannot connect, so I'm guessing it's a local or isp firewall |
| 07:34.19 | nsadmin | Phated: do you write pages also? |
| 07:34.20 | jacobsid | carrett no |
| 07:34.25 | glaucon | alsa question: can alsa be compiled into the kernel instead of as modules (and will it work correctly that way)? |
| 07:34.27 | Phated | nsadmin: NO, just my blog. |
| 07:34.29 | carrett | jacobsid: so...what can i do? |
| 07:34.31 | jacobsid | carrett your MTA (exim?) isn't configured to accept mail |
| 07:34.31 | peterS | syntaxman: several module names have changed, and a few things work differently so (for example) you need to load a module in order for console mode beeps to work |
| 07:34.34 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: hang on -- websurfing |
| 07:35.07 | syntaxman | peterS: ah.. well.. that's the standard sort phenagling when upgrading a kernel. |
| 07:35.10 | carrett | jacobsid: it's exim. but i can telnet localhost 25, just not with the domain...so that's an exim problem? |
| 07:35.12 | jacobsid | carrett you're running exim|postfix|sendmail|something, dpgk-reconfigure <mta name> |
| 07:35.14 | somiaj | glaucon: on the 2.6 it can, though I've heard it said its better as modules for backwards compadibilty (as in 2.4.x kernels it had to be a module) |
| 07:35.20 | carrett | jacobsid: exim4. |
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| 07:35.33 | peterS | syntaxman: you need to make sure to install the 'module-init-tools' package, as well |
| 07:35.40 | peterS | syntaxman: the old 'modutils' will not work for 2.6 kernel modules |
| 07:35.41 | nsadmin | ok, when I increase the font size, the text overlaps |
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| 07:35.47 | jacobsid | carrett you probably set it up 'local mail only', which is a safe default if you're not really doing internet mail |
| 07:35.51 | syntaxman | peterS: I was concerned that none of my devices would work if I didn't do some serious work to configure udev of devfs or whatever |
| 07:35.54 | peterS | syntaxman: and if you use LVM, you will want to install 'lvm2' alongside your existing 'lvm10' |
| 07:35.59 | glaucon | somiaj, thanks |
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| 07:36.32 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: i'm still in the system but on hold : http://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php look for "Hilton" |
| 07:36.39 | nsadmin | does debian-installer have support yet for lvm? |
| 07:36.53 | peterS | nsadmin: it's there, but I haven't tested it to see if it works |
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| 07:37.21 | peterS | nsadmin: I wouldn't advise putting my root filesystem on lvm, in any case - too complicated and fragile - so it's just as easy to install debian *then* create your volume groups after the fact |
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| 07:37.48 | suzzi | hay all how goes things tonight/today |
| 07:37.52 | syntaxman | nsadmin: I put my root on LVM and liked it... but it is a buttload of work |
| 07:38.07 | peterS | syntaxman: and if you ever need to boot into some sort of recovery mode, have fun |
| 07:38.09 | syntaxman | nsadmin: I'm not sure it's worth all the work to be honest |
| 07:38.11 | jacobsid | peterS, nsadmin: I second that |
| 07:38.26 | nsadmin | ugh, I have a big lvm but I put my / on a small ext2 |
| 07:38.37 | nsadmin | that's pretty good |
| 07:38.47 | gce | how do I see what my network card's network speed and duplex is set too? |
| 07:38.49 | ZenithDK | how does modconf work nowadays? Mine doesn't work as I have no /etc/modprobe.conf or /lib/modules/modprobe.conf, what gives? |
| 07:38.49 | peterS | syntaxman: what did you do about booting? do lilo or grub work on an LVM? I would expect not |
| 07:39.04 | peterS | gce: install 'ethtool' |
| 07:39.12 | jacobsid | nsadmin what filesystems are you using on the logical volumes? |
| 07:39.13 | syntaxman | peterS: been a while, but I'm pretty sure I used lilo |
| 07:39.17 | nsadmin | xfs |
| 07:39.28 | peterS | syntaxman: it would surprise me if lilo could reside inside an LVM |
| 07:39.30 | pijn | how can i automaticly create a dababase with the username and a login to it (MySQL) if i trigger the adduser command? don't need to know the MySQL commands for creating db or user, just using it with adduser is interesting. Anyone? |
| 07:39.31 | ZenithDK | I tried copying an older version to /etc/modprobe.conf, but then it complains about missing the /lib/modules/modprobe.conf one |
| 07:39.37 | syntaxman | peterS: I had an initrd and a small boot partition |
| 07:39.44 | nsadmin | not positive I like xfs more than reiser |
| 07:39.47 | peterS | syntaxman: ah. that would help. (: |
| 07:39.51 | jacobsid | nsadmin stable/testing/unstable? what kind of load does this box get? |
| 07:39.57 | syntaxman | peterS: so lilo was not in the LVM |
| 07:40.02 | Dougmeister | Honesty, I have a hard time thinking I could fail the philosophy section having basically used Debian *since it came out* |
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| 07:40.19 | gce | peterS: okay thanks ... it would be nice if their was a command from the debian base install which would work :-( |
| 07:40.26 | nsadmin | testing, usually not big, but I have a leak somewhere and so the load can climb to 2 or so |
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| 07:41.07 | nsadmin | Dougmeister: what's the full name you used? |
| 07:41.13 | nsadmin | here it is, nm |
| 07:41.39 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: "B. Douglas Hilton" |
| 07:41.51 | jacobsid | nsadmin what kernel are you using? |
| 07:41.57 | nsadmin | umm, this is very weird... |
| 07:42.14 | \amethyst | pijn: man adduser, search for adduser.local |
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| 07:42.26 | nsadmin | your application was received in april, and you failed both tests in march |
| 07:42.31 | nsadmin | how can that be? |
| 07:42.48 | nsadmin | jacobsid: 2.6.3 |
| 07:42.50 | nsadmin | 4? |
| 07:42.58 | Dougmeister | nsadmid: I told Fabbione to put me on hold |
| 07:43.22 | nsadmin | which he did when? |
| 07:43.28 | pijn | \amethyst: should i use adduser.local or /etc/adduser.conf? |
| 07:43.39 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: oh like about april |
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| 07:44.01 | \amethyst | pijn: I don't think you can set up custom scripts in adduser.conf |
| 07:44.03 | nsadmin | he failed you even before he got your app tho... how did that happen? |
| 07:44.12 | pijn | ah |
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| 07:44.36 | xtapo | this is a longshot. |
| 07:44.40 | jacobsid | nsadmin well my machine I'm playing w/ lvm isn't directly on the internet anyway and 50% of the other packages I use have bug reports that say 'use testing or unstable' so maybe I should switch off of woody, although I feel a bit of shame feeling like I 'need to' |
| 07:44.41 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: i never got past the license thingy, he rejected my essay and i couldnt satisfy him |
| 07:44.44 | xtapo | But anyone got any gmail invites? |
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| 07:45.15 | nsadmin | Dougmeister: so he never tested your skills? |
| 07:45.17 | jacobsid | nsadmin I'm using 2.4.18 and the 2.4.18 xfs patch and it locks up solid after heavy samba access on lvm/xfs shares |
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| 07:45.30 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: never |
| 07:45.35 | nsadmin | jacobsid: that sounds pretty good... |
| 07:45.45 | nsadmin | Dougmeister: so he failed you without testing you |
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| 07:46.51 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: he asked me to examine some licenses, which i did, and then amend them which i did, then he wanted more and i lost it and told him to put me on hold |
| 07:47.07 | nsadmin | fabbione is your "Application Manager" (AM) and his irc client is here |
| 07:47.29 | nsadmin | then he also didn't complete the testing before he failed you... |
| 07:47.48 | nsadmin | imo he should have put you on hold instead of failing you |
| 07:48.01 | nsadmin | he did not put commentary either |
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| 07:48.03 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: i just asked him to put me on hold, i was pretty stressed from work at the time |
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| 07:48.46 | nsadmin | well... I'm not too sure what was done right or wrong, but it looks weird... that's about all I can say |
| 07:49.40 | nsadmin | maybe he should have rewarded you for getting upset... that goes around a lot in ddland |
| 07:49.57 | suzzi | xtapo: nope sorry =( |
| 07:50.06 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: i'm looking for my essay on licenses, i might still have it here somewhere |
| 07:50.27 | BigRed2k | is there a windows version of airsnort? |
| 07:50.50 | nsadmin | why would you want a windows version of anything? :) |
| 07:51.02 | suzzi | BigRed2k: i dont know but if there was i'm sure that it would be on there website |
| 07:51.09 | BigRed2k | errr |
| 07:51.12 | nsadmin | just asking... |
| 07:51.12 | BigRed2k | im sorry not version |
| 07:51.20 | BigRed2k | but equivalent |
| 07:51.32 | BigRed2k | is there a windows equivalent of airsnort? |
| 07:51.41 | nsadmin | not sure. |
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| 07:51.57 | nsadmin | is this a wireless sniffer you're asking about? |
| 07:52.04 | BigRed2k | not a sniffer |
| 07:52.06 | jacobsid | BigRed2k maybe ask on #M$ :P j/k |
| 07:52.07 | BigRed2k | a wep cracker |
| 07:52.10 | cld | i have some gtkrc files (gtk 2.0). how can i set font default for all components ? |
| 07:52.44 | carrett | jacobsid: if i have an MX record and i want to send mail from my box to remote places (i.e. send mail from carrett@carrett.mine.nu) i want to set up exim for internet mail right? |
| 07:52.53 | carrett | what else do i have to do? |
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| 07:53.16 | jacobsid | carrett the MX record is so that when I send an email to you my machine knows where to talk smtp for your domain. |
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| 07:53.35 | jacobsid | carrett but yes, you want to set up exim for internet mail |
| 07:53.41 | robin | How do you mount a filesystem(reiserfs) with execute right in /etc/fstab |
| 07:53.42 | \amethyst | cld: style "user-font" { font="x-font-descriptor" } widget_class "*" style "user-font" |
| 07:53.44 | robin | i got now: $ /dev/hdc3 /opt/games reiserfs exec,user,defaults 0 0 |
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| 07:53.55 | carrett | jacobsid: i'll just go to tldp...looks like i need some learnin' |
| 07:54.02 | carrett | jacobsid: thanks |
| 07:54.05 | \amethyst | cld: You might need a newline around the braces |
| 07:54.15 | robin | but gives me: /dev/hdc3 on /opt/games type reiserfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 07:54.35 | somiaj | robin: you shouldn't need the 'user' option, for that should mount automically at bootup |
| 07:54.51 | robin | somiaj: but i want the user option |
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| 07:54.56 | robin | so users can mount it |
| 07:54.58 | \amethyst | cld: If you change your theme, it will be overwritten; you might consider editing the theme's gtkrc under /usr/share/themes |
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| 07:55.09 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: hmm, i got everything but that saved somehow, my home dir is huge after all these years, still searching, surely i still have all that correspondence |
| 07:55.25 | \amethyst | cld: Though that will be replaced by package upgrades |
| 07:55.25 | jacobsid | carrett it's a good idea to learn; I think people running smtp servers should know enough to know hhttp://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Mail-Administrator-HOWTO.htmlow to be responsible with them. |
| 07:55.37 | somiaj | robin: well it doesn't add much unless you include 'noauto' so it doesn't mount automically so they can mount it an unmount it, for if it mouts at boot up as root, the user option still won't allow them to unmount it. |
| 07:55.37 | nsadmin | quick poll, and you should respond by /msg to avoid flood please (but not if "no"): does anyone here use tcl and xotcl? |
| 07:55.43 | jacobsid | bah, pasted in the wrong place (as often is usual) sorry |
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| 07:56.09 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: got it |
| 07:56.13 | cld | \amethyst : style "user-font" { font="-*-lucidatypewriter-medium-*-*-*-12-*-*-*-*-*-*-*" } widget_class "*" style "user-font" ... something like that in gtkrc file ? |
| 07:56.15 | robin | robin: okay but will users than have exec right? |
| 07:56.19 | robin | somiaj: okay but will users than have exec right? |
| 07:56.31 | robin | with noauto |
| 07:56.38 | cld | \amethyst : i put this but no effect :| |
| 07:57.05 | nsadmin | Dougmeister: hold that thought... I'm heading over to tamaleland :) I'll be back after awhile maybe :) |
| 07:57.17 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: np |
| 07:57.29 | nsadmin | but before I go... I'm curious what you want to do for debian |
| 07:57.37 | noVAto | hi there guys |
| 07:58.03 | somiaj | robin: exec is included in 'defaults' and since riserfs is a *nix file system, you can give each file primisions, and if you have the +x bit set for the onwer/group/everyone that you want, then yes |
| 07:58.08 | noVAto | i've installed sarge with kernel 2.6 and it corrupted mi part.table |
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| 07:58.33 | nsadmin | noVAto: ugh... is there a backup in /boob? |
| 07:58.36 | nsadmin | err /boot |
| 07:58.39 | nsadmin | :) grin |
| 07:58.46 | carrett | jacobsid: ok, i can telnet carrett.mine.nu 25 now...can you? |
| 07:58.50 | libv | nsadmin: *cough* |
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| 07:59.04 | noVAto | nsadmin: I managed to install a sarge(kern2.4) |
| 07:59.18 | noVAto | nsadmin: but I want to recover mi win-part data |
| 07:59.26 | jacobsid | carrett your username your nick? |
| 07:59.27 | libv | nsadmin: autocompletion can play nasty tricks on someone can't it, i do wonder though, why keep pr0n in / :p |
| 07:59.34 | carrett | jacobsid: yes |
| 07:59.47 | nator | what is wget used for? |
| 07:59.55 | nsadmin | ahh, it was just a slip of the tongue :) |
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| 08:00.01 | libv | nator: apt-cache show wget |
| 08:00.14 | noVAto | nator: to download web contents, entire sites, etc |
| 08:00.18 | nsadmin | so you installed again? |
| 08:00.25 | ImL8 | is there a program that will grphically unzip say a file to a floppy? |
| 08:00.26 | libv | nsadmin: you mean fingers, but that's what it usually is :p |
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| 08:00.33 | noVAto | nsadmin: aha, but some partition are corrupted |
| 08:00.53 | nsadmin | hmm, |
| 08:00.54 | libv | ImL8: what is "graphically unzip"? |
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| 08:01.15 | nsadmin | I used to know someone who had been successful at recovering win data |
| 08:01.17 | carrett | jacobsid: something i should do now that i can telnet? |
| 08:01.17 | ImL8 | libv: a program with a graphical user interface |
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| 08:01.40 | nsadmin | but without the partition table, I dunno what to tell ya |
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| 08:01.52 | jacobsid | looks like it works |
| 08:01.53 | nsadmin | he could do it withoht |
| 08:01.55 | libv | ImL8: fire up python, write a small gui, it has a gzip, bzip2 and a zip module, and probably countless others |
| 08:02.04 | jacobsid | carrett, try sending yourself an email |
| 08:02.08 | libv | ImL8: knock yourself out with whatever widget you like |
| 08:02.12 | cyberyo | io |
| 08:02.17 | hearsay | :-) |
| 08:02.19 | ImL8 | hehe |
| 08:02.21 | noVAto | the problem seems to be that my swap and win-extended partitions share the same space |
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| 08:02.32 | nsadmin | and after that, see if you can receive an email sent by yourself! |
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| 08:02.43 | carrett | jacobsid: i got your message |
| 08:02.47 | carrett | jacobsid: sweet. thanks |
| 08:03.14 | carrett | jacobsid: now what about the outgoing mail...how do i make it so that my box will send mail to others? |
| 08:03.30 | carrett | jacobsid: (and appear to be from carrett.mine.nu |
| 08:03.33 | carrett | ) |
| 08:03.42 | carrett | !enter |
| 08:03.42 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
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| 08:03.53 | jacobsid | carrett: welcome. happy mailing. I'd still reccomend reading stuff about running a server. Focus on not allowing open relay (but I believe Exim has good defaults for that like Postfix does) |
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| 08:04.16 | carrett | jacobsid: ok. i'll do some research tomorrow. thanks for the help. |
| 08:04.17 | nsadmin | noVAto: did your windows partition cover the entire drive? |
| 08:04.36 | noVAto | nsadmin: no, only a 30% |
| 08:04.38 | jacobsid | carrett outgoing: the mail server (exim) needs to know to call itself by your domain. You should have seen settings for that in configure. |
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| 08:05.03 | nsadmin | did you back up your drive before you started installing? |
| 08:05.26 | noVAto | nsadmin: :( |
| 08:05.41 | nsadmin | hmm, that would be a 'no'... |
| 08:05.56 | nsadmin | are you -sure- the partition is gone? |
| 08:05.57 | cld | \amethyst : font_name works!:) |
| 08:06.23 | noVAto | my partition table shows that swap and win-extended partitions... |
| 08:06.46 | noVAto | ...begins BOTH on the same start and finish on the same end positions |
| 08:06.55 | nsadmin | noVAto (and other interested in helping): join #flood |
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| 08:07.32 | syntaxman | good night. |
| 08:07.41 | nsadmin | the extended partn is supposed to do that... |
| 08:07.43 | syntaxman | peterS: thanks for the help |
| 08:07.52 | peterS | syntaxman: any time |
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| 08:09.51 | hearsay | :-) |
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| 08:10.52 | Dougmeister | nsadmin: i can only find an old incomplete copy of my philosopgy essay, surely Fabbione has a copy, if not i can attempt to re-do it |
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| 08:11.34 | Phated | Dougmeister: You have a philosophu essay? Not to be too eager, but may I read it? |
| 08:11.53 | Dougmeister | debian stuff. look on #flood |
| 08:12.03 | Phated | Cool. |
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| 08:12.41 | Phated | Dougmeister: Why don't you just DCC it? |
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| 08:13.14 | overflow | hey, Is gnome fixed on sarge? |
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| 08:18.12 | simonrvn | overflow: BTS |
| 08:18.20 | overflow | simonrvn, ok |
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| 08:21.12 | Dougmeister | It didnt like my paste into #flood, it kicked me |
| 08:21.23 | overflow | xD |
| 08:22.08 | overflow | maybe you didn't paste the necessary number of lines to be considered a flood :P |
| 08:22.47 | Dougmeister | I had some humoungous damn esay, worked on if for like a year, i cant believe i can't find it, i never delete anything |
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| 08:24.53 | overflow | I think that I saw here a link where some guy tell how to fix the gnome2.6 bugs on testing |
| 08:25.02 | mgi | hey are the dependencies for KDE stuffed at the moment? |
| 08:25.10 | mgi | for a fresh install |
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| 08:27.29 | devote | is there a console web browser which can show picture and all? Like with a vesafb framebuffer ? |
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| 08:27.45 | overflow | devote, links with -g option |
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| 08:28.07 | mgi | doesn't w3m do that? |
| 08:28.13 | devote | overflow: does that work with eLinks too ? |
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| 08:28.30 | overflow | devote, elinks? |
| 08:28.46 | mgi | doesn't eLinks == links? |
| 08:28.48 | GieltjE | I am running webmin (sid) and snort, I see snort startup at boot but webmin reports it isnt running (/var/run/snort_eth0.pid exists and contains a pid) |
| 08:28.49 | overflow | f*ck .. where is that url ? |
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| 08:28.57 | devote | overflow: yeah, eLinks is a more advanced version of links |
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| 08:29.21 | overflow | devote, i didn't know that :P |
| 08:29.41 | dondelelcaro | http://www.humanbeans.net/powerpizza/index.html <- for those with laptops... |
| 08:29.47 | devote | overflow: elinks doesn't recognise the -g switch |
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| 08:30.01 | overflow | devote, "links" |
| 08:30.05 | devote | I'll try regular links next :) |
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| 08:30.17 | overflow | I saw this on a livecd distro gentoo based |
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| 08:30.42 | GieltjE | does anyone know why webmin doesnt detect snort? |
| 08:30.46 | mgi | how come debian upgraded libexif9 to libexif10 without checking everything that depended on it? |
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| 08:31.27 | dondelelcaro | mgi: because it didn't upgrade. |
| 08:31.37 | dondelelcaro | mgi: you can have libexif9 and libexif10 installed at the same time |
| 08:31.37 | mgi | in sid? |
| 08:31.45 | mgi | hmm libexif9 doesn't come up in the package list |
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| 08:32.13 | GieltjE | ps -A doesnt show snort either |
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| 08:32.31 | dondelelcaro | !info libexif9 |
| 08:32.39 | bob2 | the point of them having different package names (and so versions) is so that you can have both installed |
| 08:32.49 | mgi | well yeah i thought so too |
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