| 00:00.39 | peterS | mentor: we'll merge into one bland personality, eventually |
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| 00:00.49 | peterS | mentor: at which time, RST packets on TCP connections will have to get a new error message |
| 00:00.53 | covux | hi. does anyone in here have terratec cinergy 1200 and runs it under linux? |
| 00:01.07 | phreak__ | "Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB (ICH4) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)" any ideas what kernelmodule (2.6.6) that device uses? |
| 00:01.15 | simonrvn | peterS: 'connection RST by PeerS' |
| 00:01.16 | peterS | phreak__: alsa or oss? |
| 00:01.17 | vladkao | peterS: which is... ? |
| 00:01.22 | peterS | phreak__: oss, i810_audio |
| 00:01.23 | vladkao | haha |
| 00:01.28 | phreak__ | peterS: Thanks |
| 00:01.28 | peterS | phreak__: alsa, snd_intel8x0 |
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| 00:01.58 | peterS | vladkao: a RST packet on a TCP connection is what causes the "connection reset by peer" error |
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| 00:02.14 | NaturalRoots | someone see this error |
| 00:02.14 | NaturalRoots | amavisd[17427]: Virus scanner failure: ScannerDaemon - UNKNOWN STATUS (error code: /var/amavis/amavis-11211126/parts: Can't access the file ERROR) |
| 00:02.15 | NaturalRoots | ????? |
| 00:02.15 | JoshTriplett | Could someone tell me if they get this message, please? |
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| 00:02.23 | mentor | ~Tell NaturalRoots about ep |
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| 00:02.42 | mentor | NaturalRoots: I'm guessing it can't access tha tfile. |
| 00:02.56 | itpT20 | hi guys .. what is the diff between passwd and passwd- files |
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| 00:03.10 | peterS | itpT20: passwd- is a trivial backup |
| 00:03.13 | helix | JoshTriplett: i think it's time for a new irc client.. |
| 00:03.21 | peterS | JoshTriplett: <JoshTriplett> Could someone tell me if they get this message, please? |
| 00:03.21 | JoshTriplett | helix: Perhaps. |
| 00:03.27 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Thanks. |
| 00:03.33 | peterS | JoshTriplett: your connection died (from this perspective) a split second after you sent that |
| 00:03.34 | itpT20 | peterS: thanks . |
| 00:03.55 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Right before sending that message, I tried asking apt something, and it didn't respond. |
| 00:03.59 | mentor | JohnnyST: /msg dpkg test? |
| 00:04.01 | JoshTriplett | peterS: _before_, though. |
| 00:04.21 | arenner | I installed an unstable version of a package, How can I go back to the stable version? |
| 00:04.35 | peterS | JoshTriplett: oh well. the weird and wonderful world of XPCom, XUL and Zilla |
| 00:04.39 | JoshTriplett | helix: Seems more like just a bug, though. |
| 00:04.50 | helix | well, it's an annoying one :) |
| 00:05.07 | helix | you need less zilla in your life |
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| 00:05.13 | JoshTriplett | helix: Indeed. Probably to you guys, too. I'm currently asking on #chatzilla |
| 00:05.17 | phreak__ | isnt there a page in the apt-bot which tells how to set up the ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 for 3D accel? |
| 00:05.17 | mentor | JoshTriplett: Presumably you've looked at your internet uplink bandwidth saturation and packet loss? |
| 00:05.22 | JamesS | so what does "INTERNAL ERROR on Browser End: No manager for initializing factory?" when trying to start mozilla-firefox mean? |
| 00:05.47 | peterS | JamesS: what it tells *me* is that they got a little bit too cute with the C++ |
| 00:05.53 | mentor | JamesS: Sounds like XPCOM stuff. |
| 00:05.57 | peterS | JamesS: the developers probably need a less steady supply of shrooms |
| 00:06.00 | ac1d | eh, is it possible to set ls options via bashrc or bash_profile |
| 00:06.02 | JamesS | haha |
| 00:06.03 | JoshTriplett | mentor: No problems there; this is the only Internet application I'm using at the moment, and I'm not getting any dropped packets. |
| 00:06.10 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: and what's the reason for using chatzilla, and not, let's say, more traditional irc client ? |
| 00:06.13 | ac1d | ive tried to export LS_OPTIONs, but that doesn't seem to work |
| 00:06.29 | NaturalRoots | where have howto for amavid-new |
| 00:06.39 | JamesS | shrooms aside, any ideas how to go about fixing such a thing? |
| 00:06.45 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Well, I tried ircii before, but it had a similar problem: I would get cut off for idling, even when I wasn't idling. |
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| 00:07.02 | vladkao | cut off? |
| 00:07.08 | helix | JoshTriplett: any particular reason you've avoided irssi? |
| 00:07.12 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Regardless, I wanted a graphical client, and I've been extremely pleased with Mozilla and Mozilla Mail, so... |
| 00:07.12 | peterS | JoshTriplett: makes me think there's a buggy NAT between you and us |
| 00:07.18 | peterS | JoshTriplett: dropping packets one direction only |
| 00:07.21 | JoshTriplett | helix: irssi is text-only, right? |
| 00:07.32 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: yes, text, but very nice :) |
| 00:07.33 | helix | JoshTriplett: ah, yeah. i see what you said above :) xchat though..? |
| 00:07.38 | peterS | JoshTriplett: there does exist an X version of it, but nobody is all that enthusiastic about it |
| 00:07.53 | JoshTriplett | helix: Chatzilla has a _lot_ of nice features. Other than this one bug, I haven't had any problems. |
| 00:07.53 | helix | is that version still orphaned? |
| 00:07.54 | ParaSiteX | ho to unpack a tar.bz2 ? |
| 00:07.55 | vladkao | mqy be noone needs GUI ? :) |
| 00:08.03 | peterS | ParaSiteX: /msg dpkg bz2 |
| 00:08.05 | helix | JoshTriplett: oh ok. |
| 00:08.09 | JoshTriplett | helix: Haven't tried xchat. |
| 00:08.11 | ParaSiteX | ok |
| 00:08.18 | helix | it took me a while to get used to text only, but it's much better than xchat was |
| 00:08.21 | NaturalRoots | someone running amavisd-new hERE? |
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| 00:08.22 | NaturalRoots | someone running amavisd-new hERE? |
| 00:08.22 | JoshTriplett | helix: Think "Tabbed IRCing". |
| 00:08.23 | arenner | I installed an unstable version of a package, How can I go back to the stable version? |
| 00:08.24 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: nice features? like what ? (/me is interested) |
| 00:08.37 | vladkao | helix: agreed |
| 00:08.49 | helix | JoshTriplett: yeah, xchat was kind of like that; i still prefer pressing alt-# to get to my windows now |
| 00:09.02 | akk | One thing chatzilla can do is have stylesheets that give a face to each person on the channel. |
| 00:09.02 | JoshTriplett | helix: That works in chatzilla, too. |
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| 00:09.08 | mentor | helix: You can do that in Xchat. |
| 00:09.12 | jan_here | does the mozilla in "unstable" only print via xprint? |
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| 00:09.17 | Blissex | JoshTriplett: "Tabbed IRCing" is awesome in ChatZilla. |
| 00:09.18 | JoshTriplett | jan_here: Yes. |
| 00:09.20 | helix | can you? maybe i never bothered to learn :) |
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| 00:09.25 | JoshTriplett | Blissex: Yes. |
| 00:09.42 | mentor | helix: Yes. Although the implementation needs a little cleaning up. |
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| 00:10.06 | helix | well, i guess i don't care for gui stuff anymore.. |
| 00:10.11 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Let's see. It shows all the channels you are on in a tab bar, much like tabbed browsing in Mozilla. It also copies all the messages with any arbitrary keyword (like your nick) to a separate tab. It opens separate tabs for /msg, and typing in those windows sends a /msg without the prefix. |
| 00:10.15 | helix | but irssi did take some getting used to |
| 00:10.24 | jan_here | joshtriplett: :( is that changeable (maybe even at compiletime?) |
| 00:10.25 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: It shows the topic at the top of the window. |
| 00:10.41 | JoshTriplett | jan_here: I would suggest downgrading and putting it on hold, for now. |
| 00:10.41 | kvn | All programs expand until they implement an IRC client. |
| 00:10.45 | akk | xchat does all those tabbed things. |
| 00:10.49 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: the same in irssi :)) |
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| 00:10.56 | vladkao | nothing new so far |
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| 00:11.08 | helix | vladkao: you have it set to open a new window for hilights? |
| 00:11.24 | peterS | vladkao: irssi does not copy highlighted messages to another window, by default. is that possible to configure, without scripting? |
| 00:11.24 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: It also does tons of syntax highlighting, and also links URLs and debian bug numbers. |
| 00:11.44 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: For example, in ChatZilla this is a link: bug #123456 |
| 00:11.58 | helix | oh, that's neat |
| 00:12.04 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: This is also a link: #debian |
| 00:12.14 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: As is the URL Blissex posted. |
| 00:12.19 | vladkao | peterS: without scripting, i think not, but possible by any means |
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| 00:12.35 | peterS | vladkao: oh yeah. the scripting API is very open-ended, just about anything is possible |
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| 00:12.46 | JoshTriplett | Blissex: Nice screenshot. Even nicer if you use something like plastikzilla-crystalsvg |
| 00:12.48 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: that's the only thing i consider interesting: integration with the browser :) |
| 00:12.56 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: That's the big one. |
| 00:12.57 | akk | I set up a bookmarklet in mozilla so I can copy "bug 123456" out of an irc window and middleclick into mozilla. |
| 00:13.03 | akk | So my irc client doesn't have to do that. |
| 00:13.21 | JoshTriplett | akk: I also use "bug 123456" as a keyword bookmark. |
| 00:13.26 | JoshTriplett | akk: But clicking is even easier. |
| 00:13.27 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: but i find *zilla very slow :( |
| 00:13.28 | ac1d | how would i make something optional in a regexp |
| 00:13.38 | JoshTriplett | akk: I also use "dl devel" for "lists.debian.org/debian-devel". |
| 00:13.41 | nono_ | someone can do the following in sid and tell me if it crashes? : I have one user (elis) logged using kdm (with nothing stated, only logged and KDE started). I start another X with another user (nono) from the console (startx -- :1). Then nono start mozilla firefox, and when he tries to access a flash site (ex: www.dslz.org), mozilla crashes. (it does not when elis, the first user is not logged on) |
| 00:13.42 | JoshTriplett | ac1d: Use '?' |
| 00:13.42 | peterS | ac1d: append the atom by ? |
| 00:13.49 | ac1d | ah |
| 00:13.50 | peterS | ac1d: as in, (foo)? |
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| 00:13.57 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: ChatZilla also works with FireFox. |
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| 00:14.01 | peterS | ac1d: note, foo? means "either fo or foo" |
| 00:14.03 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Which should please you greatly. |
| 00:14.07 | ac1d | hm |
| 00:14.09 | peterS | ac1d: hence the grouping is needed |
| 00:14.19 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: never tried it with FF |
| 00:14.19 | Blissex | vladkao: integration with the browser is excellent, bu the ability ot use CSS is the killer, because the bad thing about IRC is the difficulty to follow thread as they scroll. |
| 00:14.24 | ac1d | i need to parse numbers |
| 00:14.27 | JamesS | ah ha! the java plugin was crashing it |
| 00:14.33 | ac1d | ie display decimals and whole numbers |
| 00:14.40 | ac1d | any _simple_ way of doing that |
| 00:14.49 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Neither have I. I'm not sure if the Debian package supports FireFox. |
| 00:15.10 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: oh, i *love* firefox :) |
| 00:15.26 | peterS | ac1d: \d+(\.\d*)? |
| 00:15.34 | ac1d | hm |
| 00:15.35 | peterS | ac1d: actually it depends on your regex dialect. what tool are you using? |
| 00:15.35 | ac1d | thanks |
| 00:15.39 | peterS | ac1d: perl and grep are not compatible |
| 00:15.41 | ac1d | peterS, grep |
| 00:16.06 | peterS | ac1d: hmm, I can't remember, but I don't think grep has \d. so, [0-9]+(\.[0-9]*)? |
| 00:16.08 | ac1d | i need to look for a number followed by the string M |
| 00:16.21 | peterS | ac1d: ok, append M to that, after the ? |
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| 00:16.34 | JoshTriplett | ac1d: What are you trying to do? |
| 00:16.36 | peterS | ac1d: come to think of it, I think with grep the ( ) become \( \) |
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| 00:16.42 | nono_ | seems not to crashed when Elis user log on in console and start a gnome desktop with startx -- :2 |
| 00:16.45 | peterS | ac1d: the grep regex language is really annoying like that |
| 00:16.59 | jan_here | somebody know where there are some screenshots of the "new" debian installer? |
| 00:17.07 | ac1d | peterS, no output |
| 00:17.12 | ac1d | when i know for a fact there should be some |
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| 00:17.15 | JoshTriplett | jan_here: Look in the most recent Debian Weekly News. |
| 00:17.43 | phreak__ | Is the new debian still dialog-based? |
| 00:17.46 | ac1d | JoshTriplett, trying to see only files > 1MB in du output |
| 00:17.47 | JoshTriplett | jan_here: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/d-i/screenshots/ |
| 00:17.48 | phreak__ | debian installer |
| 00:18.08 | JoshTriplett | ac1d: Might I suggest using find, instead? |
| 00:18.35 | ac1d | hm |
| 00:18.35 | ac1d | you may |
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| 00:18.41 | JoshTriplett | phreak__: Yes, it uses either dialog or slang, not sure which. |
| 00:18.44 | peterS | ac1d: hmm. I forgot - grep doesn't support "+" either |
| 00:18.48 | JoshTriplett | phreak__: But yes, text-based dialogs. |
| 00:18.53 | rphillips | I'm trying to help someone debug a problem... where is the default QTDIR in debian? |
| 00:19.01 | peterS | ac1d: so, [0-9][0-9]*\(\.[0-9]*\)?M |
| 00:19.15 | rphillips | s/where/what |
| 00:19.16 | JoshTriplett | rphillips: /usr/share/qt3, I thinkk. |
| 00:19.28 | JoshTriplett | s/(think)k/\1/ |
| 00:19.37 | phreak__ | JoshTriplett: okay |
| 00:19.41 | ac1d | peterS, exactly how many different dialects of regex are there? |
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| 00:19.50 | peterS | ac1d: I do not know. I can think of at least 4 |
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| 00:20.08 | JoshTriplett | phreak__: A lot fewer of them, though, since they added hardware detection and other automatic stuff. |
| 00:20.15 | JoshTriplett | ac1d: One per regex implementation. :) |
| 00:20.19 | ac1d | ah |
| 00:20.35 | peterS | ac1d: looks like regular grep doesn't even support ? . that's annoying. |
| 00:20.46 | ac1d | rofl |
| 00:20.48 | ac1d | i used find |
| 00:20.50 | ac1d | :P |
| 00:20.55 | ac1d | that helped a bucnch |
| 00:21.00 | ac1d | found some rogue xchatlogs |
| 00:21.00 | JoshTriplett | peterS: According to man grep it does. |
| 00:21.03 | ac1d | >500MB |
| 00:21.05 | ac1d | :\ |
| 00:21.09 | JoshTriplett | ac1d: Heh. |
| 00:21.20 | peterS | JoshTriplett: does it, now? my test failed |
| 00:21.22 | ac1d | i was wondering why my ~ was 3GB |
| 00:21.23 | vladkao`zilla | heh, it converts smilies :) |
| 00:21.36 | peterS | JoshTriplett: ahhh. \? |
| 00:21.37 | ac1d | vladkao`zilla, chatzilla? |
| 00:21.38 | JoshTriplett | vladkao`zilla: Yes, that's a very important feature. :) |
| 00:21.42 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Probably. |
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| 00:21.54 | JoshTriplett | ac1d: Judging by the nick, probably. |
| 00:22.02 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: bug #123456 |
| 00:22.05 | ac1d | heh |
| 00:22.19 | vladkao`zilla | http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123456 |
| 00:22.34 | peterS | vladkao`zilla: converting smilies into anything other than what the person typed is, as they say, fun for about 3 minutes |
| 00:22.38 | JoshTriplett | vladkao`zilla: Ah, you aren't using the Debian packages, then. |
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| 00:22.55 | vladkao`zilla | but i see some visual defects, must be my theme |
| 00:22.57 | JoshTriplett | vladkao`zilla: Check under preferences, you can specify a bug reporting URL. |
| 00:23.02 | Random-832 | using fsck: error message "Read 32 bytes at 9170051072:Input/output error" |
| 00:23.11 | Random-832 | anyone know how to fix this? |
| 00:23.18 | JoshTriplett | peterS: It's smart enough not to change them unless they are standalone, not adjacent to anything else. |
| 00:23.26 | JoshTriplett | peterS: So it doesn't break code and stuff. |
| 00:23.34 | vladkao`zilla | JoshTriplett: i downloaded the newest extension for firefox |
| 00:23.37 | ac1d | Random-832, dont use fsck |
| 00:23.42 | JoshTriplett | vladkao`zilla: Ah. |
| 00:23.49 | Random-832 | ac1d: how am i supposed to fix my filesystem? |
| 00:23.52 | Huey | can mozilla use firefox plugins? |
| 00:23.55 | peterS | JoshTriplett: it still puzzles me why you'd want to see an icon in place of what the person actually typed |
| 00:24.10 | ac1d | Random-832, wishful thinking |
| 00:24.16 | Random-832 | boot to dos and use scandisk? |
| 00:24.22 | Random-832 | [this is a fat32 filesystem] |
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| 00:24.43 | ac1d | ooh |
| 00:24.43 | cafuego | Random-832: Generally when fsck gets an IO error it's time to shop for a new hdd. |
| 00:25.07 | Random-832 | cafuego: yeah, but i'm trying to get it to delete all files on bad areas of the disk so i can safely move my data over when i get one |
| 00:25.17 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I don't know; I dislike the same feature in other applications (including Mozilla Mail), but it seems to be growing on me for IRC. |
| 00:25.22 | JoshTriplett | peterS: :P |
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| 00:25.34 | cafuego | Random-832: Um, that would probably fail, seeing as those areas are "bad". |
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| 00:25.40 | peterS | JoshTriplett: if you say so (: btw, what does (: translate to in chatzilla? |
| 00:25.40 | jan_here | joshtriplett: thnkx- over and out |
| 00:25.44 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: i find chatzilla amusing, but i still prefer irssi. if you have used irssi, you'll know why :) |
| 00:25.53 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Nothing, backward smilies don't work. |
| 00:26.06 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Well, s/Nothing/(:/ |
| 00:26.08 | peterS | JoshTriplett: cool! glad I found a concrete reason to use them (: |
| 00:26.12 | Random-832 | cafuego: deleting a file == removing a reference to a file - i'm trying to remove all such references (which themselves exist in "good" areas) to files located in "bad" areas :P |
| 00:26.13 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Heh. |
| 00:26.20 | simonrvn | peterS: teehee |
| 00:26.20 | cafuego | someone you write a plugin that translates ':)' into 'you idiot" |
| 00:26.24 | Random-832 | e2fsck does it :P |
| 00:26.28 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Scriptable? |
| 00:26.42 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: there'sone more thing in irssi: auto-replacing (: |
| 00:26.46 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: very |
| 00:26.53 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: perl |
| 00:26.59 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: I think you can write Chatzilla scripts in JavaScript, much like Mozilla plugins. |
| 00:27.02 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: and bash completion to your local filesystem |
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| 00:27.08 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Ah, but perl would be much better. |
| 00:27.12 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Cool. |
| 00:27.17 | peterS | cafuego: hey, now, I only *sometimes* mean "you idiot" by that |
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| 00:27.39 | vladkao | actualy it tries to complete everything |
| 00:27.53 | ardy | does anyone know anything about performance issues with the IBM ServeRaid II card and the IPS driver? |
| 00:27.54 | JoshTriplett | If I were going to learn another client, it would probably be ERC. |
| 00:28.14 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: heh, erc is pretty ugly and clunky |
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| 00:28.33 | vladkao | erc ? |
| 00:28.43 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Emacs IRC client mode. |
| 00:28.51 | cafuego | if a client requires 'learning' its author should be beaten with a stick. |
| 00:28.55 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: but if you're a real emacs-head it'd probably work out fine, because you'd have all the other emacs stuff at your fingertips too |
| 00:29.04 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: heh |
| 00:29.29 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Not really, I don't really use any emacs modes that don't directly edit a file. |
| 00:29.36 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: I was mostly joking. |
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| 00:29.43 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Agreed. |
| 00:29.43 | ac1d`zilla | ehh |
| 00:29.47 | ac1d`zilla | not much better than xchat |
| 00:29.49 | ac1d`zilla | :\ |
| 00:29.58 | jetscreamer | what exactly is emacs? anybody have a handy url? |
| 00:30.08 | jetscreamer | i mean i've seen it and have a faint glimmer |
| 00:30.10 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: I wasn't talking about "learning" in the brain sense as much as the finger sense. |
| 00:30.16 | mtindal | jetscream: emacs is an editor, but it might as well be everything but the kitchen sink :P |
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| 00:30.19 | cafuego | jetscreamer: www.crap-os.com |