| 00:00.14 | Axioplase | what is the difference between linux and linux extended when partitionning hard disk ? |
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| 00:00.22 | ninja_ | hey, i'm trying to install using d-i netinst but the network driver i need isn't on there (rtl8139, i think. it's an EN5038A chipset). what files would i need (boot option: linux26) and how would i do it? (no floppy, i was thinking of using my camera as a USB drive)... |
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| 00:01.27 | myren | my fibre array sometimes clicks out for a second, but everything is hotpluggable |
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| 00:01.44 | myren | how can i get linux not to die everytime the array times out |
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| 00:02.01 | cafuego | myren: fix the fibre array |
| 00:02.24 | myren | its needs a battery backup really badly, but i'm next to broke right now |
| 00:02.25 | cafuego | ninja_: it's called 8139cp and it's on there. |
| 00:02.36 | cafuego | ninja_: Sorry, '8139too'. |
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| 00:02.56 | myren | the fibre array is really not happy with even small power spikes |
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| 00:03.22 | ninja_ | cafuego: doh, thanks. less of pain then trying to use my camera :) |
| 00:03.27 | cafuego | myren: Call your electricity company and tell them they blew up your hardware, make them give you money, which you cna use to buy a UPS for it. |
| 00:03.52 | myren | when in doubt, defraud |
| 00:04.12 | lamp | does anyone now how i can change the gnome splash screen in debian It is now in /usr/share/pixmaps/splash/gnome-splash.png But i see no effect |
| 00:04.13 | cafuego | myren: When spikes blew up a Mac server here, the insurance company gave is a free G3 Server as replacement ;-) |
| 00:04.39 | myren | i think its funny that this is still working. irssi keeps rolling. but any program which blocks hd access dies. |
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| 00:05.06 | myren | the machine i'm logged onto is pretty much AWOL right now, with some rare exceptions |
| 00:05.15 | ferret | badger |
| 00:05.15 | cafuego | myren: When irssi is in ram it won't need drive access... |
| 00:05.20 | myren | exactly |
| 00:05.20 | joshua_ | I've looked through 'man dpkg' and not found the answer.. what's the debian equivalent to "rpm -qa" (show all isntalled packages)? |
| 00:05.31 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: dpkg -l |
| 00:05.39 | cafuego | joshua_: dpkg -l |
| 00:05.44 | joshua_ | thank you! |
| 00:05.57 | myren | alright, i'm gonna go reset this bad boy. be back in a bit. |
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| 00:06.07 | cafuego | joshua_: You probably want to run it was 'COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l' so it doesn't chop off package names if they're too long. |
| 00:07.51 | Axioplase | hum, installing from a pcmcia cdrom, the installer doesn't see the cddrive.. how can i install then ? |
| 00:08.09 | cafuego | Axioplase: with floppies |
| 00:08.40 | Axioplase | cafuego: hum... that doesn't help me much... my floppies and drives are a bit dead :/ |
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| 00:08.52 | cafuego | Axioplase: Seems you won't be installing, then. |
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| 00:09.40 | Hamled | hmm... well, the ram was in fine, and so was the agp card... the CPU is one of those cartridge like things, it's a Pentium II... |
| 00:09.58 | Phreak- | What is "DRM" and where in the menuconfig tree is it hiding (2.6.6)? |
| 00:10.19 | cafuego | Hamled: Pull it off and shove it back on, just to be sure. |
| 00:10.27 | Hamled | I'm quite surprised it doesn't work, my friend who gave it to me said it was working at his house just before he gave it to me.. |
| 00:10.29 | Hamled | cafuego, ok |
| 00:10.36 | sussudio | cafuego: mind if i quote you out of context? |
| 00:10.43 | cafuego | Phreak-: It's 3D hardware support for X, listed under Character Devices |
| 00:10.47 | Axioplase | cafuego: well... i always have a mandrakeCD close to me. i ll install it, dump the CD on a partition, then reboot and load from hard disk.. |
| 00:10.53 | cafuego | sussudio: Absolutely not. |
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| 00:11.08 | sussudio | dpkg: qotd16 is <reply> < cafuego> Hamled: Pull it off and shove it back on, just to be sure. |
| 00:11.08 | dpkg | ...but qotd16 is already something else... |
| 00:11.14 | sussudio | dpkg: qotd17 is <reply> < cafuego> Hamled: Pull it off and shove it back on, just to be sure. |
| 00:11.14 | dpkg | ...but qotd17 is already something else... |
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| 00:11.17 | sussudio | snort. |
| 00:11.22 | sussudio | dpkg: qotd69 is <reply> < cafuego> Hamled: Pull it off and shove it back on, just to be sure. |
| 00:11.22 | dpkg | okay, sussudio |
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| 00:11.35 | cafuego | !quotd17 |
| 00:11.41 | j4rg0n | hey, anyone here know of an apt repository for xorg? apt-get.org is down, so I can't look there :( |
| 00:11.50 | cafuego | !qotd17 |
| 00:11.51 | dpkg | <sgeigerbot> Ungy: Do you think I'm some kind of morong? |
| 00:12.41 | Phreak- | cafuego: Well, where is char devices in the kernel-tree? :D |
| 00:13.41 | j4rg0n | come on...*no* one knows where to get xorg for debian? |
| 00:13.53 | cafuego | Phreak-: Go and look for it. |
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| 00:14.56 | sussudio | Jazza: are you a bot? |
| 00:15.17 | j4rg0n | heh |
| 00:15.17 | JoshTriplett | j4rg0n: As far as I know, there are no Debian packages for xorg. |
| 00:15.24 | Jazza | no |
| 00:15.30 | Jazza | im a person ;) |
| 00:15.30 | j4rg0n | JoshTriplett: okay...why? |
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| 00:15.42 | JoshTriplett | j4rg0n: No one has built them. :) |
| 00:15.47 | j4rg0n | most other distros have provided them |
| 00:15.50 | j4rg0n | oic |
| 00:16.01 | JoshTriplett | j4rg0n: I would suggest either building it yourself and installing in /usr/local, or asking Daniel Stone, since he is working on it heavily. |
| 00:16.48 | j4rg0n | if i were keeping this laptop, i would. i'm actually getting a new powerbook in a few weeks, so i'll be out of the desktop market. i was hoping to play with xorg a bit before i left debian desktop |
| 00:16.49 | cafuego | Aww, so emailing Branden about when xorg is ready was pointless? |
| 00:16.50 | Hamled | hmmm how exactly do I get the CPU off? The cartridge seems to have some clips at the end, but even with those off, I can't remove it |
| 00:17.13 | sussudio | cafuego: not if your goal was to be put on the Christian PC Builders mailing list. |
| 00:17.21 | cafuego | Hamled: You flip those outward, afaik. I don't have a spare p2/P3 board here to demonstrate.... |
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| 00:17.36 | cafuego | sussudio: my postfix rejects email which has 'christ' in it. |
| 00:17.38 | j4rg0n | cartridge? |
| 00:17.45 | j4rg0n | cafuego: lol |
| 00:18.32 | cafuego | j4rg0n: Your new poerbook will run Debian (and when it's ported, x.org) just fine too. |
| 00:18.40 | JoshTriplett | j4rg0n: Cool. If you want a good guide for getting Debian running on a PowerBook, check people.debian.org/~branden |
| 00:18.47 | j4rg0n | cafuego: lol |
| 00:18.49 | JoshTriplett | j4rg0n: Also check linux-laptop.net |
| 00:18.54 | j4rg0n | yup |
| 00:18.57 | j4rg0n | been there with this laptop |
| 00:19.00 | j4rg0n | it's a dell latitude |
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| 00:19.12 | cafuego | Hmm, Platitude. |
| 00:19.12 | JoshTriplett | j4rg0n: Dell inspiron here. |
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| 00:19.31 | j4rg0n | i'm ditching it |
| 00:19.37 | j4rg0n | but it did run linux pretty flawlessly |
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| 00:19.40 | j4rg0n | i'll give it that much |
| 00:19.43 | j4rg0n | vanilla hardware |
| 00:19.46 | Hamled | hmm, the clips or whatever seem to only go inwards, and the thing seriously won't budge... are they generally held in place by a screw or something? |
| 00:19.55 | cafuego | Hamled: Nope. |
| 00:19.57 | JoshTriplett | j4rg0n: Dells tend to run GNU/Linux rather well. |
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| 00:20.06 | cafuego | Hamled: Do a quick google on cpu removal :-) |
| 00:20.08 | j4rg0n | yup, that's why i bought one |
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| 00:20.21 | JoshTriplett | j4rg0n: How long have you had it? |
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| 00:20.27 | j4rg0n | JoshTriplett: 2 years |
| 00:20.30 | cafuego | j4rg0n: Have you ever had the mobo/keyboard replaced in it? |
| 00:20.34 | JoshTriplett | j4rg0n: Same here. |
| 00:20.34 | j4rg0n | i need the graphics in the powerbooks |
| 00:20.37 | j4rg0n | cafuego: yes i have |
| 00:20.40 | j4rg0n | both |
| 00:20.42 | edrx | is there a way to download the factoid databases of the bots? |
| 00:20.43 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: I have had the keyboard replaced twice. |
| 00:20.50 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Keys just stop working. |
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| 00:20.57 | T_VoiD | are there laptops with full hardware modems made nowadays? |
| 00:21.03 | cafuego | j4rg0n: typical :-) Mine's on mobo #3 and my father in law has 3 new keyboards and a new mobo. |
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| 00:21.12 | j4rg0n | lol |
| 00:21.25 | j4rg0n | i didn't have the keys stop working |
| 00:21.28 | cafuego | Suffice to say my new laptop is not a Dell. |
| 00:21.28 | j4rg0n | i had one fall off |
| 00:21.32 | T_VoiD | j4rg0n: i mean can you even use the builtin modem if any on your dell laptop? |
| 00:21.35 | j4rg0n | and it was easier for them to just replace the whole thing |
| 00:21.43 | j4rg0n | T_VoiD: yah |
| 00:21.48 | j4rg0n | plus the wireless |
| 00:21.51 | j4rg0n | and obviously wired |
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| 00:21.58 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Winmodem. |
| 00:22.05 | j4rg0n | i can access the bios from within linux and come back to linux no probs |
| 00:22.06 | ninja__ | cafuego: 8139too didn't work, i think this nic is a crappy clone. |
| 00:22.09 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: On the bright side, their service is excellent. |
| 00:22.10 | pingouiin | who tried the new nvidia drivers ? |
| 00:22.11 | j4rg0n | suspend to ram works |
| 00:22.22 | j4rg0n | and suspend to disk is *supposed* to work, but i haven't tried it |
| 00:22.30 | fearl | Problem: X Server won't start... assuming its a sync rate thats bad... says "50-60hz" on back of monitor, don't know what would be best for HorizSync and VertSync, any one care to enlighten me? |
| 00:22.37 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: I don't think there are any laptops with hardware modems. |
| 00:22.42 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: Yes, true... but otoh, my new one is an HP and their service center is within walking distance :-) |
| 00:22.48 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Cool. |
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| 00:22.56 | j4rg0n | yah, builtin modem. i'm guessing that's what he means |
| 00:23.04 | j4rg0n | as opposed to requires pcmcia card |
| 00:23.10 | cafuego | fearl: When running x cfg, choose 'Simple' and let X detect it. |
| 00:23.16 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: even if there were, that's an idea gone thanks to windows innovation (ok not really windows fault, just modem makers) |
| 00:23.29 | cafuego | and Dell still don't have AMD based laptops, as far as I know. |
| 00:23.31 | j4rg0n | i don't need the modem though. on cable here |
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| 00:23.36 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: So? |
| 00:23.38 | fearl | cafuego: installed discover, kept its settings... |
| 00:23.40 | j4rg0n | cafuego: no, but AMD tends to run hot |
| 00:23.45 | j4rg0n | so i wouldn't want it for a laptop personally |
| 00:23.46 | Hamled | blah, can't find any information on how to remove one of these things |
| 00:23.49 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: With my Dell, though, they had a FedEx person at the door with a padded box the next day, and the laptop back two days later. |
| 00:23.49 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: I prefer non-intel hardware. |
| 00:23.51 | j4rg0n | this mobile intel gets hot enough |
| 00:23.54 | fearl | cafuego: isn't there another application for discovering monitor? |
| 00:23.59 | j4rg0n | cafuego: non-intel like ppc, right? |
| 00:24.05 | helix | fearl: google for your monitor. if you can't tell which settings it means on the back, you should be able to look it up online. |
| 00:24.08 | fearl | eh, for probing the monitor |
| 00:24.11 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Ah. Technical reasons, or non-technical reasons? |
| 00:24.14 | j4rg0n | JoshTriplett: i had the person at the door in 24 hours to fix it personally |
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| 00:24.19 | j4rg0n | never sent it out |
| 00:24.21 | cafuego | j4rg0n: Non-intel like (!intel) - amd is fine, so is ppc |
| 00:24.25 | Omega11 | debian linux sucks |
| 00:24.27 | Omega11 | windows owns u |
| 00:24.31 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
| 00:24.32 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@69-165-70-15.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] by helix |
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| 00:24.32 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 00:24.38 | helix | bleh, he was here yesterday |
| 00:24.39 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: They overcharge for underperforming cpus, so you know... |
| 00:24.50 | fearl | helix: eh, didn't wanna install a TUI browser :'( |
| 00:24.53 | JoshTriplett | j4rg0n: I didn't get the in-house service, just the 3-year complete care. |
| 00:24.57 | j4rg0n | ahh |
| 00:25.19 | J_Bullet | like, holy shit, I've seen the light... Windows really is the answer! Oh saved by Bill! |
| 00:25.25 | vladkao | fearl: X -configure works ? |
| 00:25.25 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: At least they used to actually _tell_ you how fast their CPUs are, instead of a meaningless number. |
| 00:25.26 | cafuego | j4rg0n: read-edit, maybe... |
| 00:25.33 | cafuego | Sorry, read-edid |
| 00:25.56 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: But they are switching to "performance ratings" too, now. |
| 00:26.01 | j4rg0n | J_Bullet: i don't even have a working windows install |
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| 00:26.03 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: yes, but otoh the amd chip with a meaningless number that's the same as the intel speed actually does more work :-) |
| 00:26.09 | j4rg0n | don't need it, don't want it |
| 00:26.13 | J_Bullet | j4rg0n: heh, good for you! |
| 00:26.25 | fearl | vladkao: eh, just did it through debconf :/ |
| 00:26.29 | J_Bullet | j4rg0n: not much of a gamer then? |
| 00:26.34 | T_VoiD | fearl: in the past there was read-edid package for vesa2 PnP monitors. dunno if that can be used within xfree 4 |
| 00:26.48 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Maybe, but the AMD meaningless number is based on AMD's benchmarks, rather than objective information like clock speed. |
| 00:26.53 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: If you compare my Athlon 2400+ with a 2.4GHz p4, I know which one's faster. |
| 00:26.54 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: I want the data, not the spin. |
| 00:27.00 | j4rg0n | J_Bullet: no, i code for fun, not game |
| 00:27.05 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Depends on what you are doing. |
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| 00:27.18 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: Work, generally. |
| 00:27.28 | fearl | T_VoiD: thats the package I was thinking of... thanks :) |
| 00:27.29 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: Well, irc, generally, with the odd bit of work ;-) |
| 00:27.37 | Gathond | JoshTriplett: but clock speed is not a good measurement of the actuall speed in doing calculations |
| 00:28.01 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Heh. I mean that it really depends on the benchmark you use. |
| 00:28.02 | Gathond | JoshTriplett: in that regard clock speed is just a meaningless number |
| 00:28.02 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: *nod* I know :-) |
| 00:28.04 | j4rg0n | i have an Intel p4 with hyperthreading |
| 00:28.10 | j4rg0n | that thing is pretty fast |
| 00:28.10 | JoshTriplett | Gathond: Agreed, but it's still more objective than an arbitrary number chosen to match Intel's latest processor. |
| 00:28.16 | j4rg0n | i should really do some benchmarks on it |
| 00:28.22 | Gathond | JoshTriplett: its like comparing cars by the engine revolutions driving 55 mph |
| 00:28.36 | fearl | Whoever said to try "X --configure"... it complains about loading "glide" amoungst other things... |
| 00:28.38 | JoshTriplett | Gathond: That's actually not a bad comparison. |
| 00:28.42 | Gathond | and claiming the car with the highest RPM is the superior one |
| 00:28.44 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: No, the thing is that a consumer would have no idea *at all* and just go the intel co the clock speed is higher. |
| 00:29.05 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: True, but stupid consumers are not my problem. |
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| 00:29.12 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: <heh> |
| 00:29.27 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: I don't want a company that makes up numbers to beat someone elses numbers. |
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| 00:30.00 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: "Well, Intel came out with a 2.8GHz, so we had better name the next one 2800." |
| 00:30.08 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: True. If they rated them to actual daily work performance they could probably use higher numbers. |
| 00:30.17 | T_VoiD | cafuego: and (when i read about it 9 months ago) the athlons around 3000+ didn't match the corresponding p4 anymore hehe. I don't know if they renamed them now |
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| 00:30.30 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: I don't want numbers based on benchmarks of any kind. |
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| 00:30.48 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: Then *you* can check the small writing, which has actual data. |
| 00:31.00 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: True. |
| 00:31.04 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!Chris9999@*.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] by helix |
| 00:31.08 | cafuego | T_VoiD: No, but the Athlon64's do. |
| 00:31.10 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 00:31.29 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: ... I do same, then check benchmarks, then make up my mind about what to buy. |
| 00:31.40 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: .. as long as it's not intel ;-) |
| 00:31.41 | JoshTriplett | helix: Just out of curiosity, I didn't see any messages from the nick you just banned. What did they do? |
| 00:31.46 | Gathond | T_VoiD: actually the numbering scheme is in relation to the original K7 core |
| 00:31.59 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: I agree with the first line. |
| 00:32.08 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Regardless, I really like the Pentium Ms. |
| 00:32.11 | helix | JoshTriplett: well, i investigated - the dude i kickbanned a few minutes ago has come in here three times now trolling about debian etc. |
| 00:32.15 | T_VoiD | Gathond: I really don't know about the 64 brands now |
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| 00:32.31 | Gathond | T_VoiD: I think its the same |
| 00:32.31 | andr1 | hey |
| 00:32.34 | cafuego | T_VoiD: I'll let you know how it goes once I have it running :-) |
| 00:32.39 | j4rg0n | helix: probably too stupid to install it |
| 00:32.40 | andr1 | what's up with debian.org? |
| 00:32.47 | helix | j4rg0n: well, he is in #mandrake :) |
| 00:32.54 | j4rg0n | there you go |
| 00:32.59 | helix | j4rg0n: i considered going in there to investigate but figured it wasn't worth my time |
| 00:33.15 | JoshTriplett | andr1: Hmmm, it does seem to be down. |
| 00:33.20 | j4rg0n | helix: probably not |
| 00:33.29 | j4rg0n | leave the stupid users to fedora and mandrake |
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| 00:33.46 | andr1 | all down, nameserver too |
| 00:33.49 | andr1 | :/ |
| 00:33.50 | T_VoiD | cafuego: I'm sure it's good hehe. actually i'd have gone for an amd too, because i think that was overally superior, but this lack of work on the heat and heat protection disturbed me too much. at least i have a chance to keep a P4 if its fan suddenly breaks, I'm not so sure for an athlon |
| 00:33.52 | helix | yeah, no stupid people use debian. just look at the high quality, deeply pressing questions we get in here |
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| 00:34.17 | JoshTriplett | helix: Anyway, as far as CPUs go, I'll buy whatever meets my needs. (As long as it doesn't involve Treacherous Computing.) |
| 00:34.45 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Seen the video of an AMD combusting when they removed the heatsink? |
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| 00:35.04 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: of course, saw those htc videos |
| 00:35.10 | vladkao | helix: to cafuego ;) |
| 00:35.17 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: htc? |
| 00:35.25 | j4rg0n | ooooh, did you guys see the liquid cooling system for the g5's? |
| 00:35.34 | JoshTriplett | helix: Ah, sorry. |
| 00:35.39 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Anyway, as far as CPUs go, I'll buy whatever meets my needs. (As long as it doesn't involve Treacherous Computing.) |
| 00:35.39 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: well hum not htc. thg :) |
| 00:35.54 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Ah, I wondered if that was a typo. |
| 00:35.57 | JoshTriplett | :) |
| 00:36.10 | j4rg0n | don't buy from penguin computing! |
| 00:36.14 | JoshTriplett | j4rg0n: The G5s are impressive in general. |
| 00:36.21 | FlimFlamMan | hi all. is there a slick package that allows an end-user to create an on-line form, send it to someone else to fill out, and collects the results? the important part is that it's usable by non-programmers |
| 00:36.25 | j4rg0n | JoshTriplett: they're sexy |
| 00:36.37 | JoshTriplett | j4rg0n: I'd like one of those 32-way boxes that compiles a kernel in 3 seconds. |
| 00:36.45 | j4rg0n | hehehe, wouldn't we all |
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| 00:37.30 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: dual athlon architecture is slightly better than dual p4 too. i wanted to buy a dual athlon at start then saw the only board available (same for p4 of course) was only at 266mhz instead of 400 ... |
| 00:37.51 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: so gave up the idea of a dual cpu box hehe |
| 00:37.53 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: You mean the dedicated bus for each processor? |
| 00:38.11 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: I think Intel has that too, now. |
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| 00:38.33 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Also, have you seen the Intel processors with 2MB of cache? |
| 00:38.47 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: I suspect one of those would outperform an AMD with twice the speed. |
| 00:39.12 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: no, i look at cards and cpus when i have to buy one. bought one 9 months ago, won't buy again for 1 or 2 years |
| 00:39.15 | bluefox83 | JoshTriplett, 2mb isn't very much in a cache..you sure it's not 2gb? |
| 00:39.26 | JoshTriplett | bluefox83: No, 2MB. |
| 00:39.32 | JoshTriplett | bluefox83: 2MB is a _huge_ cache. |
| 00:39.40 | bluefox83 | if you say so O.O |
| 00:39.43 | JoshTriplett | bluefox83: Most CPUs have 256K or 512K. |
| 00:39.56 | JoshTriplett | bluefox83: I'm talking about the cache on the CPU. |
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| 00:40.12 | JoshTriplett | bluefox83: As in, running at the same speed as the processor. |
| 00:40.17 | vladkao | and celerons have ... 128k ? |
| 00:40.21 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Yes. |
| 00:40.26 | bluefox83 | mine does.. |
| 00:40.35 | vladkao | way below 2GB :) |
| 00:40.42 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Might as well attach a ball and chain to them. |
| 00:40.49 | vladkao | heh |
| 00:41.29 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: did you reproduce that chatzilla bug of yours ? :) |
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| 00:41.58 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Yup. According to #chatzilla, it's probably a networking issue. |
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| 00:42.06 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: As in, not ChatZilla. |
| 00:42.25 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: meaning, it will happen to other irc clients as well ? |
| 00:42.33 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Yes. |
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| 00:42.36 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: bad news |
| 00:42.40 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Yes. |
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| 00:42.58 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: what kind of network do you have ? |
| 00:43.09 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: You mean my LAN, or my ISP? |
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| 00:43.31 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: My LAN is wireless. My ISP is Verizon DSL. |
| 00:43.48 | T_VoiD | vladkao, JoshTriplett: what bug are you talking about? |
| 00:44.11 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: the key here (perhaps) is wireless |
| 00:44.28 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Occasionally, I get into a state where I still receive IRC messages, but the ones I send don't go through, with no indication that that is the case. |
| 00:44.33 | vladkao | T_VoiD: it's not a bug (anymore :) ) |
| 00:44.41 | T_VoiD | ok |
| 00:44.52 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Very annoying, because you aren't sure if someone can't hear you or just isn't answering. |
| 00:45.20 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Well, my wireless network is very reliable, and I'm 5 feet from the access point most of the time. |
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| 00:45.35 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: and a ping (to server) command won't work either then? |
| 00:45.57 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Nope. Nor does /msg dpkg ping . |
| 00:46.05 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: yes, and you don't want to repeat, heh. |
| 00:46.12 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Yeah. |
| 00:46.18 | vladkao | nasty |
| 00:46.28 | El_Che | ~/wc |
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| 00:46.52 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: hum but fatally you should ping timeout then :p |
| 00:46.54 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: does it happen with other protocols as well ? (tried to upload something?) |
| 00:47.58 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: No, and no. Although most protocols involve some uploading. I've had aptitude updates and file downloads working in the background when it happens. |
| 00:48.02 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Huh? |
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| 00:48.34 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: yes, but you say it happens when you post ... so download is not counting |
| 00:49.10 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: But aptitude downloads also make upstream connections, right? |
| 00:49.16 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: To get the files in the first place? |
| 00:49.23 | vladkao | i don't know :) |
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| 00:49.39 | vladkao | besides, they are small |
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| 00:49.50 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: That's a thought, though; I should try sshing to a distant machine when it happens. |
| 00:49.55 | vladkao | try to upload some big file to a ftp |
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| 00:50.13 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Or scp. |
| 00:50.14 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: bah nm |
| 00:50.23 | jetx | where the hell is modprobe, what package provides it |
| 00:50.28 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: whatever suits you :) |
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| 00:50.49 | JoshTriplett | jetx: modutils, or module-init-tools, depending on your kernel. |
| 00:51.24 | bucky | JoshTriplett, i like this illustration of the amd vs intel multi-processor configuration http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1982&p=3 |
| 00:51.25 | jetx | i have both and modprobe reports no /etc/modprobe.conf... |
| 00:51.40 | green-ears | JoshTriplett: may be a problem with MUT package size. ?? |
| 00:51.48 | vladkao | jetx: so you don't have /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 00:51.51 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: can't it be some encapsulation+isp firewall problem like with some adsl isps, that requires the TCPMSS iptables target ? |
| 00:51.53 | JoshTriplett | green-ears: ? |
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| 00:51.58 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: ? |
| 00:53.14 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: when you have 1500bytes length packets on a connection with say a mtu of only 1492, sometimes the fragmented packets get lost, or alike, happens only with full lengh packets when lan MTU is > wan MTU |
| 00:53.30 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: 'Your search - "mut package size" - did not match any documents.' |
| 00:53.31 | green-ears | ifconfig eth0 mtu xxxx |
| 00:53.41 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: try : TCPMSS |
| 00:53.45 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: mtu packet |
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| 00:54.09 | Bpaq | re all. |
| 00:54.13 | Bpaq | quicky: i want to install testing on an md device, i'm running into trouble w/ the debian installer partitioner. I'm not familiar w/ it at all and i'm not sure what i'm doing is right. Could someone point me in the right directioon for a testing md install howto? |
| 00:54.23 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: that's triggered by wrong firewall rules on isp side that drop path mtu discovery stuff afaik |
| 00:54.27 | jetx | vladkao how do i generate one, and why is it now not being generated on install, as was the usual behavior previously |
| 00:54.49 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: What do you mean by wrong firewall rules? |
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| 00:55.08 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: well check TCPMSS on google i'm sure there will be plenty of infos |
| 00:55.21 | vladkao | jetx: edit by hand, but i don't know why it is not auto-generated. |
| 00:55.40 | vladkao | JoshTriplett: wrong firewall rules on the isp side |
| 00:55.51 | jetx | vladkao yeah but what goes in it (/me looks for a manpage) |
| 00:55.53 | JoshTriplett | vladkao: Yeah, I caught that much. |
| 00:56.09 | vladkao | jetx: yup, manpage :) |
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| 00:57.03 | green-ears | by the way i want to set ifconfig eth0 mtu i458 but the changes do not stay. on the reboot they are back to 1500. any idears |
| 00:57.27 | JoshTriplett | green-ears: Set it in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:57.37 | JoshTriplett | green-ears: When you bring the interface up. |
| 00:57.46 | psycho666 | does the nobody user have a password ? |
| 00:57.53 | CueballUK | Any way to saftly extend an EXT3? |
| 00:57.59 | JoshTriplett | psycho666: No, I don't think so. |
| 00:58.02 | JoshTriplett | psycho666: Why? |
| 00:58.09 | JoshTriplett | psycho666: Do you want to become user nobody? |
| 00:58.19 | JoshTriplett | CueballUK: Yes. Use parted, or a frontend to it. |
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| 00:58.25 | psycho666 | JoshTriplett, and he still can run applications and stuff, like a norman user ? |
| 00:58.26 | JoshTriplett | CueballUK: For example, the debian installer. |
| 00:59.07 | CueballUK | JoshTriplett: Will that preserve data and will it work with partitions ontop of LVM? |
| 00:59.09 | green-ears | so do i add > mtu 1458 to the file /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 00:59.12 | JoshTriplett | psycho666: Yes. But the point of nobody is that nobody owns no files on the system, and can only read/write stuff if it has read/write permissions for "other". |
| 00:59.26 | T_VoiD | green-ears: does that mean you have an internal LAN (the problem about path mtu discovery dropped by isp can only happen if you have more than 1 box, since the box connected to the isp uses the correct mtu I think) |
| 00:59.27 | jetx | vladkao it referenced a generate_modprobe.conf script, but i got file not found. so i said fuggit and touched /etc/modprobe.conf. seems to be working, i'll mention it if it doesn't... (see screamer screams for help) |
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| 00:59.55 | JoshTriplett | green-ears: No. Add "up ifconfig eth1 mtu blah" to the eth1 stanza. |
| 01:00.15 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: I have a router connected to the DSL modem. |
| 01:00.16 | jetx | yeah it works now |
| 01:00.28 | green-ears | T_VoiD: the router is set at 1458 |
| 01:00.53 | T_VoiD | green-ears, JoshTriplett: but is it the router you want to set, or an *other* box ? |
| 01:01.07 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: My laptop. |
| 01:01.20 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: yea then you are candidate for this kind of problem |
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| 01:01.28 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: OK. |
| 01:01.38 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: How can I detect if the problem is occurring? |
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| 01:02.22 | CueballUK | JoshTriplett: U see my last msg? |
| 01:02.25 | JoshTriplett | CueballUK: 1) Yes. 2) I don't know. It handles installing on LVM, but I haven't tried it. |
| 01:02.32 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: since i've been using adsl some times i left this rule hanging around: -A FORWARD -p tcp -m tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu |
| 01:02.33 | JoshTriplett | CueballUK: Yes, I did. |
| 01:02.37 | CueballUK | Ok cheers JoshTriplett |
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| 01:02.52 | psycho666 | is there a command to display the ip address of an internet connection, that works on any unix flavour ? |
| 01:02.59 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: I don't use iptables directly. |
| 01:02.59 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: avoid the trouble to configure internal boxes |
| 01:03.10 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Oh, you mean on the router. |
| 01:03.21 | KezBt | Help, I just downloaded sarge-unofficial DVD using jigdo, Now I'm trying to install, but there is something wrong with partitioning. |
| 01:03.26 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: My router is an embedded device. |
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| 01:03.33 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: on the router, to affect internal boxes connections. router itself shouldn't be affected by this problem |
| 01:03.37 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Not a PC. |
| 01:03.53 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: ok.. |
| 01:04.00 | KezBt | I get to the LVM section and I try to manually configure, but it crashes |
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| 01:04.10 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: well perhaps it's completely unrelated too hehe |
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| 01:05.14 | KezBt | Can anyone help me, please tell me I haven't wasted 8 gig of bandwidth? |
| 01:05.24 | JoshTriplett | KezBt: No, you haven't. |
| 01:05.26 | green-ears | KezBt: you should have better luck with http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
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| 01:05.45 | JoshTriplett | KezBt: You may need to get a newer version of the installer, but you can still use the DVD for packages. |
| 01:05.48 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: I suppose you can use tcpdump and see how is done the path mtu discovery when you do a connection |
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| 01:05.57 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: to detect |
| 01:06.05 | KezBt | green-ears: np, I'll try downloading now *8) |
| 01:06.17 | Bpaq | does the installer have scsi modules built into it? |
| 01:06.27 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: but if you already changed your MTU to a lower value, then it's not that at all |
| 01:07.03 | Bpaq | i've been playing w/ one i've downloaded from somewhere (sarge debian-installer) and the official one, the official one doens't seem to detect my 29160 automatically. |
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| 01:07.45 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: I haven't changed anything yet. |
| 01:07.49 | green-ears | KezBt: and here is a link that may help with using apt-get to install your decktop http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 |
| 01:07.50 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Just had a thought: |
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| 01:08.35 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Would that also cause huge IRC pastes from people to be intermittently dropped (meaning some lines go through and some don't)? |
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| 01:09.11 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: any full length packet can be affected. now would 2 PRIVMSG pasted be sent in only 1 packet , not 2 separate... no idea |
| 01:09.32 | mith | !uml |
| 01:09.34 | mith | ugg |
| 01:09.51 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: and that would be packet pasted from you actually |
| 01:09.52 | mith | someone give me dpkg's uml entry |
| 01:09.53 | JoshTriplett | !tell mith about uml |
| 01:10.01 | mith | that's getting damned annoying |
| 01:10.03 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: not those you'd receive i think |
| 01:10.14 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Hmmm. |
| 01:10.24 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Well, can you suggest a possible method of diagnosis? |
| 01:10.35 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: bah dunno. if you can repeat the problem fast, just try again with a lower mtu set on your interface |
| 01:10.47 | mith | for uml you only need the kernel patches on the host system right? not the systems running underneath it? |
| 01:10.48 | Justin | JoshTriplett: use an irc client that doesn't suck |
| 01:10.50 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: And possibly a good guide to the problem? Google seems to just find millions of mailing list messages. |
| 01:11.06 | JoshTriplett | justin: We're past that; it's not ChatZilla. |
| 01:11.18 | JoshTriplett | mith: Vice versa. |
| 01:11.43 | JoshTriplett | mith: You need a patched kernel for the uml instances, but not for the host. |
| 01:11.53 | mith | JoshTriplett: oh, so the sub-systems (so to speak) need to have the patch, heh |
| 01:12.02 | JoshTriplett | mith: Exactly. |
| 01:12.20 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: I can't really repeat the problem easily. |
| 01:13.03 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Anyway, what should I set my MTU to? |
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| 01:13.14 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: And how can I determine if that is the problem? |
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| 01:14.05 | paw | what's the status of the amd64 debian arch? I saw from debian planet that it was ready to go into unstable last Sunday... |
| 01:14.22 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: ? |
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| 01:14.40 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: to determine you have to tcpdump -vvv a connection somewhere and hopefully see how is working the path mtu discovery :p if in the end you get less than 1500 mtu for this specific tcp connection you know you aren't broken. if you get 1500, depends on how you're connected to net |
| 01:14.42 | pro_virus | hi all |
| 01:15.10 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: I don't think I grok TCP well enough for that. |
| 01:15.19 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: for example i'm on cable i don't have visible harmful encapsulation so i should get 1500 as normal result |
| 01:16.13 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: me neither, i mean i never tried. i found many pages describing the problem but dunno why most are french. perhaps this problem only appears by french isps hehe |
| 01:16.22 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Heh. |
| 01:16.28 | pro_virus | I want to make a backup of my system in a tar file, but when it reach 2Gb, it says that the maximum file size has been get. So is there a way of making that work or you have a better suggestion for backup |
| 01:16.33 | De_Mon | T_VoiD where is the mtu displayed in tcpudmp -vvv ? |
| 01:16.44 | Award | VERY off topic: Anyone know much about ODBC that wouldn't mind talking out of the channel, or know a good irc channel to visit to discuss ODBC problems? |
| 01:16.49 | T_VoiD | oh well nm |
| 01:16.52 | JoshTriplett | pro_virus: Backing up to something like FAT32? |
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| 01:17.03 | JoshTriplett | pro_virus: man split |
| 01:17.03 | pro_virus | JoshTriplett Ext3 |
| 01:17.06 | sunny256 | pro_virus: You can use the split(1) utility |
| 01:17.26 | JoshTriplett | pro_virus: In that case, you need a newer tar, or if you are using the newest one, report a bug. |
| 01:17.31 | De_Mon | i seriously doubt that tar has a 2G limitation, being that its for tape backup |
| 01:17.42 | JoshTriplett | pro_virus: ext3 supports file sizes much much much bigger than that. |
| 01:17.46 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: on google "pmtu adsl iptables" . I'm lucky. on the page you have,hit "prev" and you get a description |
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| 01:18.05 | pro_virus | JoshTriplett can it be because it is on nfs? |
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| 01:18.17 | JoshTriplett | pro_virus: Could be, don't know. |
| 01:18.20 | T_VoiD | De_Mon: it won't. i suppose you have to check icmp messages about "would fragment" |
| 01:18.27 | JoshTriplett | s/don't know/don't know much about NFS/ |
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| 01:18.52 | De_Mon | pro_virus are you backing up to an NFS share or from it? |
| 01:18.55 | JoshTriplett | pro_virus: Anyway, you can use split to make 2GB files. |
| 01:19.08 | pro_virus | De_Mon to |
| 01:19.32 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: The first result is unreachable. |
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| 01:19.40 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: (Ironic.) |
| 01:19.55 | T_VoiD | De_Mon: mtu path discovery, from what i think, maybe not what is it :p, is sending packets with the "don't fragment" flag, till you receive no "would fragment" icmp |
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| 01:20.18 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: try the cache then |
| 01:20.18 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: So I could test that with ping? |
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| 01:20.31 | r00t^ | im recompiling kernel,reinstalled debian, says '-lncurse' not found ? |
| 01:21.04 | JoshTriplett | r00t^: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 01:21.42 | bluefox83 | i seem to have forgotten how to compile a kernel "the debian way" anyone have a quick link? |
| 01:22.01 | JoshTriplett | !tell bluefox83 about kp |
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| 01:22.21 | NunyerBusiness | hey anyone want to answare a couple questions for me? i am a slackware user and am thinking bout trying debian (ive always heard good about it) |
| 01:22.22 | r00t^ | JoshTriplett: says package not found |
| 01:22.35 | JoshTriplett | r00t^: Stable? libncurses4-dev, I think. |
| 01:22.42 | r00t^ | oh found it,i missed a 's',sorry |
| 01:22.46 | De_Mon | NunyerBusiness asking to ask a question is the Worst question you could ask |
| 01:22.46 | bluefox83 | how do i ask it about make-kpkg? |
| 01:23.01 | Justin | bluefox83: http://www.google.com/search?q=compile+kernel+debian+way |
| 01:23.02 | NunyerBusiness | my first question is if i just want to run my linux box as a firewall/gateway/router and do simple text based web browsing what should i be able to get my install size down too |
| 01:23.14 | JoshTriplett | bluefox83: Short answer: fakeroot make-kpkg --revision 1 --append-to-version -yourname kernel_image |
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| 01:23.23 | JoshTriplett | bluefox83: /msg dpkg thing_you_want_to_know |
| 01:23.34 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: ping could be dropped by some isp firewall because too big on its own, the only "reliable" way is to use tcp to test |
| 01:23.46 | green-ears | bluefox83: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 01:23.58 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: True, but it would give an upper bound on what would work. |
| 01:24.02 | r00t^ | JoshTriplett: i have a strange problem :( |
| 01:24.09 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: so you can't read that?: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.cookbook.mtu-discovery.html |
| 01:24.10 | bluefox83 | holly crap O.O |
| 01:24.10 | De_Mon | heh, umm.. less than 50mb |
| 01:24.11 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 01:24.12 | JoshTriplett | r00t^: Join the club. :) |
| 01:24.14 | bluefox83 | thanks folks |
| 01:24.17 | bucky | bluefox83, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 01:24.39 | BamBam | Hi |
| 01:24.44 | NunyerBusiness | De_Mon im at about 70mb with slack isnt there a way to get it down under 10mb |
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| 01:24.47 | r00t^ | JoshTriplett: i reinstalled debian again ,i unpack kernel 2.6.7 source,i do make menuconfig,i cannot get in some menus which contains submenus ,others can :( |
| 01:24.51 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: It hangs at "Resolving host lartc.org" |
| 01:25.06 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: bah dns problem then? |
| 01:25.11 | r00t^ | JoshTriplett: i had this problem in yesterday,now i just reinstalled debian :( same |
| 01:25.17 | JoshTriplett | r00t^: The 2.6 kernel has changed a lot; not everything that looks like a menu is one. |
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| 01:25.33 | BamBam | Any body has Glenn Hughes MP3s? |
| 01:25.34 | JoshTriplett | r00t^: And some menus are only available if you first enable them. |
| 01:25.35 | De_Mon | NunyerBusiness I've never been interested in making such a box so I can't really say. |
| 01:25.44 | r00t^ | JoshTriplett: oh,so you mean when a menu looks like it has a submenu it aint ? |
| 01:25.54 | bob2 | BamBam: this is #debian |
| 01:26.00 | NunyerBusiness | De_Mon thnx for trying to assist me |
| 01:26.00 | JoshTriplett | r00t^: Could be; what menu, and I'll check. |
| 01:26.15 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: want me to dcc send the file? it's small |
| 01:26.15 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Don't think so, other things resolve. |
| 01:26.16 | r00t^ | JoshTriplett: I didnt change anything,everything is default, include this fresh installed debian |
| 01:26.25 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: The cache works. |
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| 01:26.48 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: And I haven't upgraded to chatzilla 1.7 yet, so I can't do DCC. :) |
| 01:26.54 | r00t^ | JoshTriplett: for example,i cannot get in 'Device drivers'->'Plug and play support --->'.but another person could get in ,he told me |
| 01:26.57 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: (1.7 removed postscript printing.) |
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| 01:27.24 | JoshTriplett | r00t^: I'll check. |
| 01:27.39 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: well i'll never use mozilla for irc |
| 01:27.47 | r00t^ | JoshTriplett: JoshTriplett :also,under 'Device drivers'->'Generic Driver Options --->',i cannot get in this one,either |
| 01:27.52 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Heh. It's actually quite nice. |
| 01:28.07 | De_Mon | r00t^ do you have Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers? |
| 01:28.08 | r00t^ | JoshTriplett: Thanks,when ?im waiting,im so pissed off now |
| 01:28.11 | BamBam | Hello?? |
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| 01:28.22 | r00t^ | De_Mon: Yes,i have |
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| 01:28.35 | De_Mon | oh pift, nevermind i misread that |
| 01:28.45 | De_Mon | or did I? O_o |
| 01:28.59 | JoshTriplett | r00t^: Well, "Generic Driver Options" works here, and "Plug and Play Support" doesn't. |
| 01:29.04 | r00t^ | De_Mon: lIKE I said,i didnt change anything in kernel config,after this fresh debain install,i just unpack kernel source,and make menuconfig and go in and check |
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| 01:29.23 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: so even if there's only the icmp part described there, i think the problem appears when: mtu is less than 1500 (adsl encapsulation stuff), internal box uses mtu of 1500, isp drops icmp related to path mtu discovery and isp doesn't allow fragmented packets. quite rare but it exists |
| 01:29.36 | hhstnoc | Sandman1, how much data are they typically dealing with? |
| 01:29.53 | hhstnoc | like blueprints and junk like that? |
| 01:30.05 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Makes sense. I'm currently looking for the ping option for "don't fragment". |
| 01:30.08 | r00t^ | JoshTriplett: really ? but that 'Plug and Play support --->' looks like it has submenu ,and another person could get in |
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| 01:30.33 | r00t^ | JoshTriplett: by the way,im convinced in my IBOS there isnt one 'PNP support' |
| 01:30.39 | r00t^ | BIOS* |
| 01:30.42 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: ping could be dropped for too many reasons to be reliable |
| 01:30.43 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: (Also, when you say "icmp related to path mtu discovery", is that a message sent back to the connection originator?) |
| 01:30.58 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: But like I said, it would give an upper bound for what works.) |
| 01:31.04 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: yes: icmp "would fragment" related to the "don't fragment" option |
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| 01:31.26 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: So if my firewall blocks _all_ incoming traffic, that would be a problem? |
| 01:31.43 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: That includes ICMP, except for ping replies. |
| 01:31.45 | De_Mon | JoshTriplett maybe? |
| 01:31.51 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: if firewall isn't stateful yes |
| 01:31.56 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: It is. |
| 01:32.02 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: iptables on my laptop. |
| 01:32.12 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: And the router is stateful too. |
| 01:32.32 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: how can you be sure? |
| 01:32.37 | r00t^ | should i install 2.4x ? |
| 01:32.43 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Well, it claims it is. |
| 01:32.46 | r00t^ | i dont like this 2.6x |
| 01:32.47 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: i'd try to disable any firewall option on the router first |
| 01:32.57 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Not going to happen. |
| 01:33.09 | De_Mon | JoshTriplett you must be on cable |
| 01:33.15 | JoshTriplett | De_Mon: DSL. |
| 01:33.16 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: well you seemed to tell your laptop is self firewalled |
| 01:33.26 | De_Mon | JoshTriplett DSL isnt _that_ bad! |
| 01:33.29 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: I'm not the only person on my network. |
| 01:33.43 | T_VoiD | De_Mon: this can't happen on cable. there's no encapsulation that gives mtu problem |
| 01:33.48 | JoshTriplett | De_Mon: You would be amazed how many SMB and NMB requests the firewall blocks. |
| 01:34.20 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: well for testing sooner or later you'll have to tell others you have to bring the net down :p |
| 01:34.25 | De_Mon | T_VoiD oh yeah, forgot what the problem was |
| 01:34.30 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Why would that be? |
| 01:35.06 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: on cable i have 1500 mtu from end to end. even if my isp drops icmps, I would never have received those icmps in the first place |
| 01:35.36 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Hmmm. I can't seem to find a "don't fragment" option for ping; I thought it had one. |
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| 01:37.37 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: can't your router act as a pppoe box (not routing) instead? leaving your linux box as router? |
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| 01:38.06 | emumaster | how do I update my apt archive to include more than just the normal "main" stuff, example, console emulators |
| 01:38.13 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: No. And I don't have a desktop box, anyway. |
| 01:39.09 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: Add "contrib" to your sources.list after "main". |
| 01:39.20 | emumaster | ah thanks JoshTriplett ^_^ |
| 01:39.24 | T_VoiD | emumaster: apt-setup and answer yes to "use non free" ? else edit sources.list |
| 01:39.45 | emumaster | T_VoiD thanks! |
| 01:39.46 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: Although many emulators are being moved to "main" as Free ROMs are found. |
| 01:40.00 | Nurbs | heh, I like that about the new installer: "dselect - old package selector (experts only)" |
| 01:40.05 | emumaster | JoshTriplett yea but I haven't really found many, I'm using testing, from the sarge installer |
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| 01:40.09 | JoshTriplett | Nurbs: Yeah. |
| 01:40.15 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: True. |
| 01:40.34 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: I think ZSNES and visualboyadvance will soon be moved to main, though. |
| 01:40.43 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: From what I read on debian-legal. |
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| 01:41.06 | emumaster | JoshTriplett ah, I'll have to keep my eyes out for that |
| 01:41.42 | redstar | when I specify a cron-job in crontab, that should be run as root, will the cron-job run with a root-shell, ie will the /root/.bashrc get parsed before the cron-job is run? |
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| 01:43.05 | green-ears | emumaster: use to pick low priorty dpkg-reconfigure debconf then apt-setup and answer yes to "use non free |
| 01:43.27 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: Note that you don't need non-free for most emulators, just contrib. |
| 01:43.31 | ardy_ | I'm getting poor disk performance ( < 6000k/sec according to bonnie) on an serveRAID II using kernel 2.6.6, is there possibly something wrong with the ips driver or my kernrl config? what can I do about it? (the disk drives are fast) |
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| 01:43.56 | k-god | ardy_: hdparm? |
| 01:44.15 | ardy_ | kgod: isn't hdparm only for ide? |
| 01:44.19 | T_VoiD | redstar: I don't really know but you can add stuff in your /root/.bashrc like touch /tmp/foo |
| 01:44.28 | cafuego | Okay, this is getting retarded, I'm not receiving spam on addresses that can ONLY come from someone's irc logs. |
| 01:44.32 | cafuego | s/not/now/ |
| 01:44.40 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: meme.b9.com |
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| 01:44.56 | T_VoiD | redstar: or echo $0 >> /tmp/foo ... |
| 01:45.00 | ardy_ | k-god: isn't hdparm only for ide? |
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| 01:45.16 | JoshTriplett | ardy_: I believe so, yes. |
| 01:45.23 | emumaster | JoshTriplett green-ears, ok when I run apt-setup, it doesn't give me an option for non-free or contribs |
| 01:45.30 | ardy_ | k-god: its a scsi system.. |
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| 01:45.32 | redstar | T_VoiD: but the .bashrc get parsed when I do su, for example |
| 01:45.39 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: Just add it directly in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:45.52 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: apt-setup doesn't ask anymore, I don't think. |
| 01:45.57 | T_VoiD | redstar: ok so echo $0 >> /tmp/foo . add a test crontab entry and see |
| 01:46.09 | redstar | T_VoiD: and in this case I just want to run keychain, so that I can use ssh-connections without supplying a password in the cron-jobs |
| 01:46.17 | green-ears | emumaster: dpkg-reconfigure debconf first and pick low priorty |
| 01:46.18 | T_VoiD | JoshTriplett: i tried before telling to emumaster, and i told me (on sarge) |
| 01:46.23 | ardy_ | JoshTriplett: do you know anythin about the ips or a serveraid II card? |
| 01:46.34 | T_VoiD | I mean it told.. |
| 01:46.42 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: How rude. can I remove myself from there? |
| 01:46.45 | JoshTriplett | T_VoiD: Ah. |
| 01:46.48 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Probably not. |
| 01:46.56 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: Even ruder. |
| 01:47.05 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: They prohibit robots, but that doesn't stop spambots. |
| 01:47.09 | emumaster | JoshTriplett, hrm, either my mirrors don't have contribs, or i'm doing something incorrect, let me check |
| 01:47.12 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Just google. |
| 01:47.38 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: No, that address isn't in google. |
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| 01:47.52 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Yes, that's what I'm saying. |
| 01:48.14 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: *nod* |
| 01:48.14 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Nice crawlers respect robots.txt |
| 01:48.15 | green-ears | emumaster: dpkg-reconfigure debconf first and pick low priorty |
| 01:48.15 | T_VoiD | emumaster: bah forget apt-setup and edit at hand anyways |
| 01:48.27 | JoshTriplett | green-ears: Make sure he changes it back later. |
| 01:48.40 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: Nice people don't publish irc logs where they can be indexed by non-nice crawlers. |
| 01:48.42 | green-ears | y |
| 01:48.42 | ardy_ | JoshTriplett: do you know anythin about the ips.o (the serveraid driver eith linux) or a serveraid II card? |
| 01:48.50 | JoshTriplett | ardy_: No. |
| 01:48.56 | JoshTriplett | ardy_: I've never used RAID. |
| 01:49.06 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Well, it's still a nice service. |
| 01:49.15 | ardy_ | JoshTriplett: oh.. |
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| 01:49.36 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: And I figure that any address I put on the Net in any form will be spammed. |
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| 01:49.46 | ardy_ | has anyone here used a serveraid card with linux? |
| 01:49.57 | emumaster | green-ears got it, It gave me the proper prompts this time, thanks |
| 01:49.58 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: Not that SA isn't killing them, but I still consider it rude. |
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| 01:50.18 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: I just have a public and a private email account. |
| 01:50.18 | emumaster | T_VoiD I was putting contribs instead of contrib, or else the hand editing would have worked ^_^ |
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| 01:50.30 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: That would do it. |
| 01:50.37 | green-ears | nice one |
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| 01:50.49 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Your own domain? |
| 01:51.03 | T_VoiD | emumaster: oh ok |
| 01:51.04 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: various domains, yes. |
| 01:51.35 | sussudio | !kinderpindakaas! |
| 01:51.35 | dpkg | Peter! |
| 01:51.37 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Technically, you only have [:alnum:]{1,charsyouwanttotype}@domain.blah |
| 01:51.41 | green-ears | emumaster: ho do not for get to do a apt-get update |
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| 01:52.13 | emumaster | JoshTriplett, T_VoiD, green-ears, so far so good. thanks ^_^ |
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| 01:52.22 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: Which console? |
| 01:52.33 | green-ears | emumaster: and now a apt-get update |
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| 01:53.07 | JoshTriplett | justin: Any possible method of eliminating spam (other than filtering) would also stop all anonymous email. |
| 01:53.24 | JoshTriplett | justin: Or have other problems. |
| 01:53.26 | helix | does anyone know the gtk2 equivalent for gdk-pixbuf-config --libs? |
| 01:53.29 | emumaster | green-ears doing it ^_^ |
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| 01:53.37 | emumaster | JoshTriplett which game consoles do I want to emulate? |
| 01:53.40 | helix | nevermind |
| 01:53.44 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: Yup. |
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| 01:53.55 | Justin | I'm not talking about eliminating spam, I'l talking about eliminating the scum that SEND you spam |
| 01:54.13 | JoshTriplett | justin: Ban lobbying. |
| 01:54.13 | green-ears | emumaster: and apt-get update ran with no problem ? then all is ok |
| 01:54.23 | JoshTriplett | justin: Then ban spam. In that order. |
| 01:54.32 | JoshTriplett | justin: Because it won't work in the other order. |
| 01:54.35 | emumaster | green-ears had a problem, I re-ran it, and now all is well. |
| 01:54.44 | JoshTriplett | justin: Regardless, that still won't stop illegal spam. |
| 01:54.49 | kld | please, I need help! Does sendmail locks mailboxes when there are pop3 logins from multiple places. In other words is it possible two people to use pop3 mail for the same account at the same time |
| 01:54.53 | jetscreamer | lobbyists are your god |
| 01:55.09 | zignig | jetscreamer: s/l/h |
| 01:55.13 | JoshTriplett | helix: pkg-config |
| 01:55.17 | ardy_ | If you want to stop spam you'll have to be willing to pay to send emails.. its that simple |
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| 01:55.25 | green-ears | emumaster: so your apt-get ready to go. apt-get away away |
| 01:55.25 | emumaster | JoshTriplett um. NES, SNES, SEGA GEN, SEGA MAST, SEGA CD, MAME, GBOY, GBOY A, NEO-GEO, |
| 01:55.27 | JoshTriplett | ardy_: And I'm not. |
| 01:55.33 | emumaster | green-ears thanks ^_^ |
| 01:55.34 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: Oh, is that all. |
| 01:55.38 | JoshTriplett | :) |
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| 01:55.45 | emumaster | JoshTriplett all I can think of right now ~_^ |
| 01:55.57 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: N64 |
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| 01:56.06 | mset | is there some linux application which lets seeing the computer information? |
| 01:56.08 | ardy_ | JoshTriplett: understandably |
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| 01:56.14 | mset | I mean, motherboard, CPU, etc |
| 01:56.15 | jetscreamer | if the mandatory world wide penilety for bulk spam was castration there'd be a lot less spam |
| 01:56.24 | green-ears | emumaster: are you using sarge ? or woody ? |
| 01:56.30 | JoshTriplett | jetscreamer: Nice little typo there. :) |
| 01:56.32 | alindeman | jetscreamer: And a lot less babies |
| 01:56.40 | gandy909 | trying to use jigdo here. The web page says I use it to "pick the fastest of 300 mirrors worldwide", but the quickie instructions don't mention anything about how to do that... Is there a mirrir scanner I need or something? |
| 01:56.42 | emumaster | green-ears sarge |
| 01:56.45 | cafuego | mset: 'lspci'; cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:56.57 | emumaster | JoshTriplett how could I forget?!?! yep, def n64 |
| 01:57.04 | mset | cafuego: mset? |
| 01:57.05 | JoshTriplett | gandy909: Just use the top-level mirror for your country. |
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| 01:57.09 | cafuego | alindeman: less babies would be a good thing. god, children are annoying. |
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| 01:57.17 | alindeman | cafuego: lol |
| 01:57.21 | jetscreamer | not to speak of the overpopulation problem |
| 01:57.30 | sussudio | cafuego: they had the right idea in "Logan's Run" |
| 01:57.31 | JoshTriplett | gandy909: Or use apt-spy |
| 01:57.32 | ardy_ | jetscreamer: authoritarianism doesn't work... there is no incentive other than punnishment.. and who is going to be the 'world authority'... |
| 01:57.44 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: No n64 emulators in Debian though. |
| 01:57.47 | JoshTriplett | ardy_: True. |
| 01:57.47 | jetscreamer | why the world government of course... |
| 01:57.47 | alobodig | Where are post installation scritps kept? |
| 01:57.55 | JoshTriplett | jetscreamer: Boo, hiss. |
| 01:57.57 | jetscreamer | soylent green is made out of people! |
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| 01:58.10 | emumaster | JoshTriplett, really? well I can download the source from www.zophar.net |
| 01:58.17 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: Yup. |
| 01:58.19 | cafuego | jetscreamer: Soylent pink then, made of 100% baby! |
| 01:58.20 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: mupen64 |
| 01:58.24 | alobodig | Yeah, but only ugly people. |
| 01:58.35 | jetscreamer | no, that's logan's run |
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| 01:58.38 | emumaster | JoshTriplett have you played with that? mupen64 |
| 01:58.42 | alobodig | Oh, right. |
| 01:58.46 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: No. |
| 01:59.01 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: Not recently. |
| 01:59.03 | gandy909 | trying to use jigdo here. The web page says I use it to "pick the fastest of 300 mirrors worldwide", but the quickie instructions don't mention anything about how to do that... Is there a mirrir scanner I need or something? |
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| 01:59.20 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: zsnes, mostly. |
| 01:59.53 | emumaster | JoshTriplett yea snes is good, I've got most of those, but I definately have ALL NES, and most, if not all, MAME |
| 02:00.10 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: I only emulate games I own. |
| 02:00.18 | esa | Why pts and ssh are not working when using new 2.6 kernels, pts keep raising and wtmp bugs... |
| 02:00.32 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: SNES RPGs rule. |
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| 02:01.10 | JoshTriplett | esa: You have to mount the devpts filesystem. |
| 02:01.20 | JoshTriplett | esa: But the init scripts should do that for you. |
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| 02:01.35 | kld | please, I need help! Does sendmail locks mailboxes when there are pop3 logins from multiple places. In other words is it possible two people to use pop3 mail for the same account at the same time |
| 02:01.36 | JoshTriplett | esa: Check the output of "mount" to be sure, though. |
| 02:01.52 | esa | JoshTriplett: yeah its mounted, take a look, i have same problem as him: http://lists.debian.org/debian-ssh/2004/06/msg00031.html |
| 02:01.55 | emumaster | JoshTriplett My brother follows that rule that you do. But I do own nearly all of the games I play emulated anyways, the others I just have for cataloging, and testing, cause who knows if I'd ever actually find the carts. |
| 02:02.00 | JoshTriplett | kid: You could try it and see, or ask on a sendmail-specific channel. |
| 02:02.18 | ardy_ | does anyone know where I could get help about a raid card? |
| 02:02.28 | Merkidemis | Does anybody have a link to a nice, easy, clear walkthrough on how to get the Radeon driver installed on a 2.4.26 kernel system with X4.3? |
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| 02:02.46 | JoshTriplett | Merkidemis: What version of Radeon do you have? |
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| 02:03.00 | Merkidemis | Josh: 9800 (non pro, non XT) |
| 02:03.04 | emumaster | JoshTriplett oh I'm playing through Earthbound again right now, I lost my old savestate, other than that I like Illusion of Gaia, FF6 (FFIII for SNES), Robotrek, and so many more I can't even remember right now. |
| 02:03.07 | cafuego | ardy_: About buying one or about using one? |
| 02:03.18 | JoshTriplett | Merkidemis: 2d-only support a problem, or do you need 3d? |
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| 02:03.39 | Merkidemis | josh: 3D would be great, but I also want to be able to multihead |
| 02:03.42 | ardy_ | cafuego: about performance issues with linux and possible kernel mis-configurations? |
| 02:03.55 | cafuego | ardy_: Is it a hardware card? |
| 02:04.04 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: All of those, plus Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy 5, and Seiken Densetsu 3. |
| 02:04.11 | ardy_ | cafuego: yeah, a IBM serveRAID II |
| 02:04.30 | cafuego | ardy_: Google or the IBM website should be able to help you there. |
| 02:04.40 | ardy_ | cafuego: yeah, I did. |
| 02:04.42 | JoshTriplett | Merkidemis: Well, the standard XFree86 drivers will give you full 2D acceleration and multihead capability, just not 3D. |
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| 02:04.59 | T_VoiD | Merkidemis: well i recompiled the new version 2 days ago, but there's no easy way hehe |
| 02:05.03 | JoshTriplett | Merkidemis: There are also patches out there for better multihead support, though I haven't tried them. |
| 02:05.06 | emumaster | JoshTriplett Secret of mana is Seiken Densetsu 2, which I'm sure you know, Final Fantasy 5 I never played, but I do like IV (4), |
| 02:05.23 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: Yes, I did know that. |
| 02:05.35 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: V wasn't released in the US. |
| 02:05.44 | Merkidemis | Josh: hmmm. Well, I was hoping I could ditch Windows all together, but I still want to play a few games, including NWN and UT2K4, as well as some under WineX, if possible |
| 02:05.50 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: But there's a translation available; one of the joys of emulators. |
| 02:05.59 | T_VoiD | Merkidemis: it's just badly done. for example you can't just hand the kernel-header-* package you created as include, because somewhere it does linux/include/../drivers/ ... so you have to keep your source tree around |
| 02:06.10 | JoshTriplett | Merkidemis: Well, if you don't care about non-free software, /msg dpkg ati drivers |
| 02:06.35 | JoshTriplett | Merkidemis: Those will give you 3D support, as well as drastically reduced uptimes. :) |
| 02:06.45 | Merkidemis | T_Void: I did a HD install of Knoppix 3.4 |
| 02:07.00 | emumaster | JoshTriplett yea, zophar.net has a bunch of those, I've been at that site for years, hey, does the zsnes debian package only run in xwindows? I'm running a pure console environment |
| 02:07.12 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: It uses SDL. |
| 02:07.21 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: So FB works too. |
| 02:07.25 | Merkidemis | Josh: this machine is ok to shutdown daily if I have to, I have a seperate box for 24/7 activity |
| 02:07.28 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: (Or aalib, heh.) |
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| 02:07.47 | T_VoiD | Merkidemis: can't tell, i think you have to compile a kernel (even with make-kpkg) to have a source tree around (correctly "initialized") |
| 02:07.57 | JoshTriplett | emumaster: Speaking of videogames, have you seen the "speed demos archive"? |
| 02:08.08 | emumaster | JoshTriplett how do I specify the requirements? the only zsnes I can apt-cache search, requires X |
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| 02:08.21 | emumaster | JoshTriplett no I haven't, please do enlightment ^_^ |
| 02:08.28 | edward_ | where does ssh keep its public keys? |
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