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| 00:00.19 | mickeyks | i don't have a backports.org listed in my sources.list |
| 00:00.35 | T_VoiD | MikeH|lappy: hum ok that's the sata stuff name. what about your whole computer board name? |
| 00:00.39 | mickeyks | why would i get an unmet dependency relating to backports.org? |
| 00:00.47 | MikeH|lappy | directhex, http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=2320&CATEGORY_TYPE=LP&SITE=UK <-- my mobo |
| 00:00.51 | directhex | 3114 is unsupported in 2.6.5, 3112 is fine (as is 0680 & 1210sa). as far as i can read the siimage source, anyway |
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| 00:01.17 | MikeH|lappy | T_VoiD, i told you, NFI Lanparty NFII Ultra-B |
| 00:01.19 | MikeH|lappy | http://www.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_details_r_us.jsp?PRODUCT_ID=2320&CATEGORY_TYPE=LP&SITE=UK |
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| 00:01.38 | MikeH|lappy | hrm |
| 00:01.42 | MikeH|lappy | im tempted to leave it |
| 00:01.43 | T_VoiD | MikeH|lappy: that's the brand, but they didn't design the chipset themselves. ok i should have said chipset |
| 00:01.43 | skel | does anyone have a deb or apt source for syndigator? not much luck finding one in google.. |
| 00:01.51 | MikeH|lappy | oh |
| 00:01.59 | MikeH|lappy | its an nforce2 mobo chipset |
| 00:02.01 | MikeH|lappy | sorry :/ |
| 00:02.04 | directhex | T_VoiD, nvidia nf3 ultra 400 |
| 00:02.06 | T_VoiD | MikeH|lappy: ahhhh |
| 00:02.07 | directhex | *nf2 |
| 00:02.28 | Blissex | skel: for sources, check 'apt-get.org' and 'rpmseek.org' |
| 00:02.28 | directhex | SiI3114 is unsupported in 2.6.5. end of, really |
| 00:02.37 | T_VoiD | MikeH|lappy: ok all is very different from my stuff anyways |
| 00:02.51 | directhex | or in 2.6.6 |
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| 00:02.54 | mickeyks | i guess i'm filing a bug |
| 00:02.57 | MikeH|lappy | hrm, thats a real bummer :/ |
| 00:03.09 | MikeH|lappy | it has some kind of support in libata |
| 00:03.20 | skel | Blissex: ty =] |
| 00:03.26 | T_VoiD | directhex: do you know if there's a way via bios to enable a pata emulation? |
| 00:03.45 | directhex | T_VoiD, doesn't exist on a single sata controller i've ever dealt with. |
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| 00:04.29 | MikeH|lappy | i think im just gunna have to find me a cheapy ide hd |
| 00:04.47 | T_VoiD | directhex: in my p875 card it exists. the ich5 can be told to let the system think there are "legacy pata" drives connected. it remaps them to either the primary or the secondary pata buses |
| 00:04.49 | directhex | sounds like it MikeH|lappy, or a pci sata controller |
| 00:04.57 | Caelum | MikeH|lappy: the 2.6 image didn't help? |
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| 00:05.14 | directhex | T_VoiD, ich5 i've _not_ dealt with, only promise, highpoint & silicon image |
| 00:05.18 | MikeH|lappy | Caelum, didnt try it, but it seems my controller is unsupported by it anyway |
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| 00:05.38 | T_VoiD | directhex: bah i read ich5 isn't that great else (lacks some feature with queuing) |
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| 00:06.09 | directhex | native command queueing? actually saw a huge benchmark of sata controllers, ich5r did well |
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| 00:06.15 | T_VoiD | directhex: but this kind of support must be on the board not just the sata controller |
| 00:06.29 | code_01 | Hi everybody... |
| 00:06.32 | doope | !list |
| 00:06.32 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 00:06.40 | sussudio | !lose doope |
| 00:06.41 | dpkg | doope: You Lose. |
| 00:06.59 | T_VoiD | directhex: well actually i have a ich5r but i didn't enable the r when i installed windows (yea i play some games) and this stupid windows refuses to boot if i turn on raid, when linux won't complain |
| 00:07.00 | code_01 | somebody here do programming with XLIB to do graphics??? |
| 00:07.02 | mickeyks | !win mickeyks |
| 00:07.03 | dpkg | Congratulations, mickeyks! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 00:07.07 | mickeyks | thanks |
| 00:07.09 | code_01 | or know a good IRC room? |
| 00:07.17 | T_VoiD | directhex: i'd have to reinstall win hehe |
| 00:07.18 | doope | :)) |
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| 00:07.47 | directhex | T_VoiD, touch any boot device settings & windows requires a reinstall. this is fact |
| 00:08.00 | MikeH|lappy | T_VoiD, whats wrong with wine/winex? |
| 00:08.10 | Caelum | MikeH|lappy: do you know the SATA chip on it? |
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| 00:08.28 | f-s | directhex: not, exactly |
| 00:08.30 | MikeH|lappy | i play cs, and im reinstalling linux now people are reporting good results with cs/steam under wine |
| 00:08.35 | MikeH|lappy | Caelum, SI 3114 |
| 00:08.40 | device | what is the tipical program that usermin dont works? hi all |
| 00:08.46 | directhex | MikeH|lappy, winex needed for steam |
| 00:08.49 | BlackCobra | how do i install the drivers for my crystal cs54235 sound card? |
| 00:08.56 | sussudio | !confuse device |
| 00:08.56 | directhex | MikeH|lappy, sorry, "cedega" |
| 00:08.56 | dpkg | yes, what are their snake tomorrow, device ? by order of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra cream |
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| 00:09.12 | MikeH|lappy | directhex, linuxgamers.net i think it was, has a full tutorial on how to get it working with wine |
| 00:09.13 | ludan | ola |
| 00:09.13 | T_VoiD | MikeH|lappy: mind you i got cedega a few days ago and whatever they claim it refused to run everquest (i bet that's because i'd need internet explorer isntalled but can't see where to find a whole install hehe) |
| 00:09.23 | device | aham.... :) |
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| 00:09.30 | directhex | MikeH|lappy, no, they have a guide on getting it workng with winex :) |
| 00:09.40 | BlackCobra | how do i install the drivers for my crystal cs54235 sound card??? |
| 00:09.40 | ludan | someone hava a problem with vim? in the last sid upgrade |
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| 00:09.43 | MikeH|lappy | linux-gamers.net |
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| 00:09.55 | The_Vulture | ludan: if they did, it'd be in the BTS |
| 00:10.10 | directhex | MikeH|lappy, old hl.exe works under wine, sinex is required for steam |
| 00:10.19 | directhex | *winex |
| 00:10.25 | MikeH|lappy | http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=17 <-- guide using wine |
| 00:10.40 | calkj | where to ask printing-related questions? does anybodz know a # for it? |
| 00:10.43 | directhex | This howto is outdated! Read the 'Steam with WineX' |
| 00:10.48 | ludan | The_Vulture: what is BTS? |
| 00:10.53 | The_Vulture | ~tell ludan about bts |
| 00:10.54 | BlackCobra | how do i install the drivers for my crystal cs54235 sound card??? |
| 00:11.00 | MikeH|lappy | ffs, so i gotta pay to play cs on linux then :/ |
| 00:11.05 | MikeH|lappy | ill just stick with windows :o |
| 00:11.10 | The_Vulture | you really shouldn't be using sid without an understanding of the bts etc, you should be using apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
| 00:11.32 | T_VoiD | BlackCobra: first i'd google for: cs54235 linux to get some infos about what driver is available and its name |
| 00:11.52 | directhex | MikeH|lappy, works with cvswinex, which is beer free if not freedom free |
| 00:12.07 | MikeH|lappy | didnt know that |
| 00:12.25 | MikeH|lappy | anyway |
| 00:12.26 | MikeH|lappy | im hungry |
| 00:12.30 | MikeH|lappy | and tired |
| 00:12.34 | ludan | The_Vulture: thank's |
| 00:12.34 | MikeH|lappy | so im off to bed :o |
| 00:12.41 | ludan | have a good night to all |
| 00:12.42 | MikeH|lappy | thx all for your help! |
| 00:12.46 | directhex | MikeH|lappy, download & run http://ting.homeunix.org/cvs_wine/GetCVSWineX_Pthreads to download, compile & install cvs version of winex. big dev pckage list needed & not disclosed, had to find it out meself thru trial & error |
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| 00:13.10 | calkj | i can print as root but not as user using cups! sth i forgot? |
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| 00:13.19 | thomas_adam | MikeH|lappy: What is it you're wanting to do? |
| 00:13.22 | MikeH|lappy | calkj, how to spell something? |
| 00:13.29 | greycat | calkj: you forgot to report the error? |
| 00:13.29 | MikeH|lappy | lo thomas_adam :o |
| 00:13.37 | Caelum | MikeH|lappy: it looks like it's supported, http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2004-May/msg00028.html |
| 00:13.56 | MikeH|lappy | thomas_adam, get debian working on my silicon image 3114 sata chipset |
| 00:14.02 | calkj | greycat: no error, just does nothing |
| 00:14.12 | mickeyks | hrm |
| 00:14.23 | thomas_adam | MikeH|lappy: Hmm, I believe that has been done. |
| 00:14.29 | mickeyks | can non-developers only file bugs at levels normal, minor, and wishlist? |
| 00:14.34 | MikeH|lappy | yer Caelum |
| 00:14.37 | MikeH|lappy | thats with libata |
| 00:14.40 | The_Vulture | calkj: unlikely, check logs etc.. |
| 00:14.44 | greycat | mickeyks: I don't remember any such restriction |
| 00:14.47 | MikeH|lappy | and apparently the libata support for it is very poor |
| 00:14.55 | T_VoiD | thomas_adam: and according to directhex 3114 isn't supported in 2.6.6 only 3112 is |
| 00:15.11 | directhex | T_VoiD, i was looking in the wrong place by the look of it |
| 00:15.11 | BlackCobra | the driver i need is snd-card-cs4236.o so what do i do next |
| 00:15.18 | T_VoiD | directhex: ah ok |
| 00:15.30 | The_Vulture | BlackCobra: are you sure you don't have it already? that there's no debian package for it? |
| 00:15.33 | mickeyks | greycat: maybe because i have reportbug on "novice", it assumes that i don't know enough to report a bug higher than normal |
| 00:15.33 | greycat | mickeyks: perhaps you forgot to set the $EMAIL variable or something, so it's putting you in "newbie class"? |
| 00:15.42 | directhex | T_VoiD, was looking at siimage.c in ide/pci/ instead of sata_sil.c in scsi/ |
| 00:15.42 | mickeyks | greycat: heh |
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| 00:15.47 | T_VoiD | BlackCobra: did you read alsa around that name? |
| 00:15.51 | calkj | ah, sorry: this was about printing from mozilla (i am kinda confused, sorry) |
| 00:15.54 | MikeH|lappy | anyway |
| 00:15.55 | MikeH|lappy | nn all |
| 00:16.05 | The_Vulture | calkj: try something simpler, print a plain text file with lpr or something |
| 00:16.20 | T_VoiD | MikeH|lappy: so maybe some unstable install thing has support hehe |
| 00:16.22 | mickeyks | greycat: ok, i'll go back and say i'm an intermediate user, or whatever the option above novice is |
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| 00:16.27 | BlackCobra | well liveice doesnt recognize my soundcard so i dont think i have the module installed |
| 00:16.33 | thomas_adam | "according to directhex ... hmmm" |
| 00:16.40 | The_Vulture | BlackCobra: having it installed and having it loaded are two different things |
| 00:16.41 | Caelum | anyone know why depmod would go into an infinite loop when build a kernel package from my home dir instead of /usr/src/linux? |
| 00:16.41 | calkj | The_Vulture: yes, thx, printing text files and pdf's and images does work, but not printing out of mozilla |
| 00:16.42 | The_Vulture | ~tell BlackCobra about sound |
| 00:16.45 | greycat | # default operating mode: one of novice, standard, expert |
| 00:16.53 | The_Vulture | ~tell BlackCobra about audio |
| 00:17.07 | The_Vulture | bah, there are or were better factoids |
| 00:17.08 | The_Vulture | .. |
| 00:17.21 | The_Vulture | !tell BlackCobra about audio |
| 00:17.23 | The_Vulture | that'll do |
| 00:17.26 | T_VoiD | BlackCobra: i'll suppose it's alsa, you'll have to install the alsa-modules-* package corresponding to your kernel-image-* package, and install alsa-utils (it will help load it) |
| 00:17.31 | calkj | BlackCobra: is this alsa or oss? and what modules are loaded for the soundcard? |
| 00:17.40 | The_Vulture | calkj: tried running moz from a terminal so you can see any errors printed to stdout/stderr? |
| 00:17.45 | T_VoiD | BlackCobra: if it isn't alsa then well that was a try |
| 00:18.00 | mickeyks | greycat: thanks...this is my first time using reportbug actually...so i'll change that setting to normal in .reportbugrc then |
| 00:18.04 | calkj | The_Vulture: thx, (trying...) |
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| 00:19.13 | The_Vulture | calkj: I assume you've actually checked the moz printer settings n stuff.. if they seem correct you could try printing to postscript then printing the postscript with lpr directly (just to see if you can isolate the problem) *shrugs* |
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| 00:19.42 | calkj | The_Vulture: well, there are three (to me) unfamiliar Printers to choose from in mozilla's printing panel, but none works |
| 00:20.46 | calkj | The_Vulture: moz printer settings from the menus or are ther other (hidden) cfg's? |
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| 00:21.23 | The_Vulture | There probably are things hidden away in random places, but I was just refering to the usual printer settings |
| 00:21.25 | BlackCobra | ok what category are soundcards under in modconf |
| 00:21.34 | MikeH | hrm |
| 00:21.40 | MikeH | ok maybe i wont goto bed yet |
| 00:21.47 | MikeH | i forgot dinner :o |
| 00:21.47 | T_VoiD | Caelum: I never had a problem like this with compiling kernel 2.4.x here |
| 00:21.51 | The_Vulture | BlackCobra: possibly audio or sound or some such |
| 00:21.57 | greycat | or misc |
| 00:22.06 | calkj | The_Vulture: no success, but thx anyway :) |
| 00:22.11 | BlackCobra | there is no category.. ill try misc |
| 00:22.16 | greycat | /lib/modules/2.2.25/misc/emu10k1.o |
| 00:22.21 | greycat | /lib/modules/2.4.26/kernel/drivers/sound/emu10k1/emu10k1.o |
| 00:22.40 | Caelum | bleh, /me does another make-kpkg clean |
| 00:22.40 | MikeH | T_VoiD: so do you think its a case of just modprob sil_sata |
| 00:22.44 | MikeH | or whatever the mod was? |
| 00:22.48 | BlackCobra | yah its under misc |
| 00:23.00 | MikeH | or am i gunna have to compile a kernel myself? |
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| 00:23.53 | mickeyks | greycat: hrm, as a normal user, i still only get those three options. maybe they hide the others and figure that if you need them, you'll know what they are |
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| 00:24.16 | joshua_ | How do I force apt to believe that a certain package (namely, xlibs) is installed? I compiled it from source. |
| 00:24.27 | thomas_adam | joshua_: equivs |
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| 00:24.41 | T_VoiD | MikeH: nope. you can't have sata as module, else how would you boot in the first place without sata support? (oh yea there's initrd for that now) |
| 00:24.43 | joshua_ | bash: equivs: command not found |
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| 00:24.49 | thomas_adam | joshua_: Install it then! |
| 00:24.56 | _santiago_ | Hi |
| 00:25.03 | _santiago_ | I've a problem install debian for sparc on a ultra 1 via network |
| 00:25.09 | _santiago_ | It freezes after it asks for the keyboard configuration |
| 00:25.21 | greycat | mickeyks: it definitely has you in MODE_NOVICE |
| 00:25.22 | joshua_ | thomas_adam: I've not got enough space for all of the other packages that equivs wants.. |
| 00:25.22 | _santiago_ | and no error messages are displayed |
| 00:25.25 | T_VoiD | MikeH: well there's the initrd allowing to load modules I forgot. never used that so I don't know how to do that correctly |
| 00:25.25 | sussudio | !scratch joshua_ |
| 00:25.29 | _santiago_ | any idea? |
| 00:25.33 | thomas_adam | joshua_: Tough luck then. |
| 00:25.52 | joshua_ | hmm |
| 00:25.54 | greycat | mickeyks: (based on reading /usr/bin/reportbug) |
| 00:25.57 | BlackCobra | i get the device or resource busy error when isntalling the soundcard |
| 00:25.57 | joshua_ | apt has no builtin equivalent to emerge inject? |
| 00:25.59 | apt | joshua_: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 00:26.07 | greycat | hahaha |
| 00:26.13 | MikeH | T_VoiD: this is still trivial :/ |
| 00:26.15 | greycat | apt++ |
| 00:26.20 | mickeyks | greycat: i edited .reportbugrc to "mode normal" and started reportbug over, and it's still giving me these limited options |
| 00:26.32 | greycat | mickeyks: read the comment. It's not "normal". It's "standard". |
| 00:26.35 | T_VoiD | MikeH: cool then |
| 00:26.36 | joshua_ | apt, emulate joshua_ |
| 00:26.38 | apt | ACTION blows up a h1910 |
| 00:27.05 | greycat | joshua_: perhaps if you told us what the fuck "emerge inject" is...? |
| 00:27.21 | thomas_adam | gent...no, I can't say it.... |
| 00:27.26 | joshua_ | emerge inject makes portage believe that a package is installed when it really isn't.. |
| 00:27.30 | mickeyks | greycat: where's the comment? in the man page...? |
| 00:27.35 | greycat | joshua_: look into "equivs", then. It's a package. |
| 00:27.40 | greycat | mickeyks: in the .reportbugrc file |
| 00:27.42 | thomas_adam | joshua_: You mean like 'equivs' then, FFS! |
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| 00:27.51 | greycat | 20:16 greycat> # default operating mode: one of novice, standard, expert |
| 00:28.02 | joshua_ | greycat: thomas_adam told me about equivs, however I've nto got enough space to install it. |
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| 00:28.02 | mickeyks | greycat: oh. good point. |
| 00:28.02 | T_VoiD | haha |
| 00:28.06 | greycat | joshua_: then you have bigger problems. |
| 00:28.12 | joshua_ | greycat: (Well, I've got enough space for equivs, but not for the support packages.) |
| 00:28.13 | thomas_adam | thomas_adam> | joshua_: Tough luck then. |
| 00:28.22 | joshua_ | greycat: well, I'm running debian off of a 128mb CF. |
| 00:28.22 | T_VoiD | joshua_: if you can't install that small a package you're screwed |
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| 00:28.52 | joshua_ | T_VoiD: I've got enough space for equivs itself.. just not 8mb of support packages |
| 00:28.54 | greycat | joshua_: then you need to do your equivs-building on your development box |
| 00:29.09 | joshua_ | greycat: ok, let me ssh over there. |
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| 00:29.37 | T_VoiD | joshua_: actually equivs don't have to stay installed. once it made the packages it can be removed with all that came with it. i suppose you could even make those packages on an other box |
| 00:29.50 | anomaly | I have the kernel installed with bzImage, but I forget the command to make modules and install them.. I have tried make modules && make modules install with no luck. |
| 00:30.00 | greycat | anomaly: less README |
| 00:30.02 | T_VoiD | joshua_: they are just empty packages actually, to solve dependencies |
| 00:30.09 | anomaly | ty |
| 00:30.14 | joshua_ | I thought that equivs was something that directly messed with dpkg's status. I'll install it on my devbox. |
| 00:30.40 | thomas_adam | joshua_: Don't do too much of that. |
| 00:30.46 | joshua_ | ? |
| 00:30.49 | T_VoiD | joshua_: it won't mess. it will install empty packages where the important part will be the meta infos (replaces provides conflicts...) |
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| 00:30.54 | thomas_adam | joshua_: thinking. |
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| 00:31.06 | joshua_ | thomas_adam: ah |
| 00:31.10 | joshua_ | T_VoiD: excellent |
| 00:31.12 | T_VoiD | joshua_: actually it won't install, it will create the .debs |
| 00:31.32 | joshua_ | how can I tell what version of something dpkg would install/ |
| 00:31.38 | joshua_ | s#/#?# |
| 00:31.41 | sgeigerbot | joshua_: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 00:31.57 | thomas_adam | joshua_: apt-cache madison <foo> |
| 00:32.05 | T_VoiD | joshua_: I suppose you'll have to read some doc, and i'm sure equivs have pointers to such doc |
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| 00:32.29 | T_VoiD | (or sgeigerbot too) |
| 00:32.29 | joshua_ | E: Invalid operation madison |
| 00:33.07 | sgeigerbot | joshua_: It works for me. |
| 00:33.20 | Random-832 | i can't find the menu option for "windows printer via smb" in cups web interface... is there something i need to install? |
| 00:33.23 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: Yes, but joshua_ is a moron. |
| 00:33.32 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: fixed /var yet? |
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| 00:33.47 | sgeigerbot | !moron#1 |
| 00:33.47 | dpkg | somebody said moron#1 was beta3 |
| 00:33.50 | Momow | hello |
| 00:33.50 | T_VoiD | joshua_: btw interesting info. i'll surely soon buy an openbrick-ng and i'll go for a 256mb (usb) cf card then if 128 is a bit small hehe |
| 00:33.52 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: nope. |
| 00:33.54 | joshua_ | I dunno if I'd go as far as calling myself a moron.. maybe a clueless user, but I'm not sure if it's a moron |
| 00:34.12 | joshua_ | T_VoiD: 128 is way small to do anything useful on |
| 00:34.22 | joshua_ | I guess I should really be using openembedded for this |
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| 00:34.51 | thomas_adam | joshua_: maybe. |
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| 00:35.36 | T_VoiD | joshua_: how is working cf when writing ? it's just transparent ? never tried |
| 00:35.46 | joshua_ | it's just like any other IDE interface |
| 00:35.57 | T_VoiD | joshua_: ok |
| 00:36.28 | joshua_ | I have it configured with a cf->ide thingy plugged into my mainboard but if you had a way to bootstrap yourself and load cardmgr from an initrd iirc it also works if suck into a pcmcia slot |
| 00:36.31 | joshua_ | stuck |
| 00:36.45 | joshua_ | (of course given that you have a cf->pcmcia thingy) |
| 00:36.56 | thomas_adam | doobrey |
| 00:36.58 | T_VoiD | joshua_: thought i read flash memory had a limited (dunno if 100 000 or 1 000 000 range ) write cycles |
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| 00:37.59 | T_VoiD | joshua_: bah i can manage to boot over nfs just fine to start an install usually |
| 00:38.02 | joshua_ | truth, however 1) that's a hell of a lot of cycles... 3m-10m usually. |
| 00:38.11 | mickeyks | my procmail is not sorting my mail |
| 00:38.15 | T_VoiD | joshua_: ok ok |
| 00:38.19 | joshua_ | 2) it automatically load distributes |
| 00:38.25 | mickeyks | i have the correct list ID in .procmailrc |
| 00:38.37 | mickeyks | but mail to that list ID is coming in to my normal inbox |
| 00:38.48 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: then you have mis-configured it. |
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| 00:38.54 | T_VoiD | joshua_: ahh, so playing at rewriting one byte on the same file won't damage. that's the card that redistributes or you need a filesystem doing it? |
| 00:39.09 | GNULinux | "man keymaps" talkes about "spare action codes" ... anyone know how to get a list of these action codes? |
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| 00:39.29 | mickeyks | thomas_adam: hard to argue with that. any ideas on what i might have done wrong? |
| 00:39.43 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: I'd need to see your .procmailrc file. |
| 00:39.51 | Analyser | someone know the name of the modules responsible for the transparent proxy? |
| 00:39.53 | thomas_adam | GNULinux: dumpkeys |
| 00:39.56 | joshua_ | if you're really going to rail on it I suggest that you use an fs on top of it that is designed for it, however the card should redistribute it. |
| 00:40.16 | mickeyks | thomas_adam: you want to look at it? |
| 00:40.23 | loke_ | i just installed sarge netinst will lilo boot loader on an old compaq presario, its hanging on uncompressing linux..., how long should this take |
| 00:40.26 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: That's what I said, yes. |
| 00:40.27 | sgeigerbot | GNULinux: showkeys ? |
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| 00:40.35 | sgeigerbot | GNULinux: "showkey" ? |
| 00:40.47 | thomas_adam | !tell loke_ about lost lilo |
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| 00:40.58 | sgeigerbot | GNULinux: perhaps reading the man page would be helpful to you. Quite a few seem to be listed in there |
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| 00:41.14 | joshua_ | woops |
| 00:41.20 | mickeyks | thomas_adam: sounded like you were speaking hypothetically, that's why i asked for clarification |
| 00:41.21 | thomas_adam | loke_: read that, edit lilo.conf, comment/uncomment (depends) the line that says "comment". :) |
| 00:41.39 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: Must be a regional dilect issue. |
| 00:41.52 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: I want to see your .procmailrc file, can I? |
| 00:41.53 | pixelmonkey | hey, I just updated mozilla-mplayer and now videos linked to directly in my browser (i.e. http://www.mysite.com/trip.mpg) show up inside a browser window with a black background instead of the video popping up in its own mplayer window. Does anyone else notice this change, and how I can get back the old behavior? |
| 00:41.54 | T_VoiD | Analyser: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -j REDIRECT (man iptables look at each of these keyworks and/or look at some howto) |
| 00:42.04 | GNULinux | thomas_adam: does dumpkey give all the possible "action codes" ... or just those action codes in use ... for example, dumpkey talkes about "space action codes" so I think that dumpkeys does actually list them all |
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| 00:42.09 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: no, you said you would need to look at it...not that you wantedd to loko at it. |
| 00:42.12 | Analyser | T_VoiD: im using a 2.2.19 kernel on my router... |
| 00:42.18 | T_VoiD | Analyser: oh ok |
| 00:42.27 | GNULinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.29 | sgeigerbot | GNULinux: showkey |
| 00:42.29 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: As I say -- must be a "regional dialect" issue. |
| 00:42.56 | thomas_adam | Americans! Huh, |
| 00:42.58 | T_VoiD | Analyser: well 2.4.x is *way* better than 2.2.x for anything related to nat but if you have to use ipchains, hum i lost its manual hehe |
| 00:43.01 | mickeyks | thomas_adam: more like a regional difference in what words mean, maybe |
| 00:43.13 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: general advice (despite where you live): I suggest you figure that out with your brain, or whatever equivalent thing they have where you live |
| 00:43.17 | T_VoiD | Analyser: can't even remember if it's with ipchains or ipmasqadm |
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| 00:43.24 | T_VoiD | Analyser: or both.. |
| 00:43.25 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: I love that quote. I think that's mwilson's... |
| 00:43.31 | Teakk | k3b, and xcdroast...any other GUI frontends for DVD authoring/burning? |
| 00:43.39 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: I don't care. :) |
| 00:43.39 | Analyser | T_VoiD: this thing that u pasted to me, the apt bot really said to me. |
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| 00:43.46 | mickeyks | thomas_adam: anyways, i'm trying to dcc it to you, unless you want it some other way |
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| 00:43.51 | Analyser | T_VoiD: ipchains :) |
| 00:43.54 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: I've lost interest now. |
| 00:44.07 | mickeyks | thomas_adam: probably best for everybody |
| 00:44.07 | loke_ | thomas_adam will do, thanks |
| 00:44.11 | sgeigerbot | Teakk: yes, but the ones you listed are the most popular. |
| 00:44.11 | GNULinux | sgeigerbot: showkey shows the "scan codes" ... but I want to assign keys in my ~/.keymap ... so I wantde to get a last of all action codes |
| 00:44.25 | GNULinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.39 | thomas_adam | GNULinux: look at the mapfile directly, then. |
| 00:44.48 | T_VoiD | Analyser: if you have time to play with and it's not production stuff, consider getting a 2.4.x kernel on your router, it's so way more handy and better working ... |
| 00:44.50 | Analyser | T_VoiD: im using masquerading to distribute the internet connection with the pcs. |
| 00:45.05 | sgeigerbot | GNULinux: you said you wanted to see them not to assign them!!! use xkeycaps |
| 00:45.14 | GNULinux | sgeigerbot: for instance, you have "control keycode (scan code) = (action code)" ... what is a list of all available action codes? |
| 00:45.17 | ac1d | can anyone help me with an smb error? |
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| 00:45.29 | sgeigerbot | GNULinux: actually, xkeycaps is for modifying ~/.xmodmap |
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| 00:45.53 | T_VoiD | Analyser: bah ipchains must have a REDIRECT target too... (but really check about iptables, there's even a comparison made by Rusty in one of his howtos) |
| 00:45.58 | Analyser | T_VoiD: my router is a 486, no way to compile a new kernel on that! no space, and too much time... but i tryed to compile in other machine, without modules, to trasnfer just the image, but doesnt works.... |
| 00:46.06 | sussudio | T_VoiD: ipmasqadm |
| 00:46.13 | sgeigerbot | GNULinux: nevertheless, I think that's what you want. |
| 00:46.14 | T_VoiD | Analyser: no need to. you can compile elsewhere and put on your router |
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| 00:46.45 | Disposable_hero- | question guys...is there a way to get apt to automatically install the suggested/recommended packages also? |
| 00:47.10 | Analyser | T_VoiD: i did it. compiled in other machine, but doesent works, i already tried to use redirect but he asks to me about this module... :/ |
| 00:47.17 | T_VoiD | sussudio: for "reverse nat" yes, for transparent proxy not sure and no doc around |
| 00:47.35 | thomas_adam | !rot13 sgeigerbot |
| 00:47.35 | dpkg | ftrvtreobg |
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| 00:47.47 | T_VoiD | Analyser: well check ipmasqadm too hehe (and check howtos i'm sure there's one for transparent proxies) |
| 00:47.54 | sussudio | T_VoiD: so compile transparent proxy support into the kernel |
| 00:48.03 | Analyser | T_VoiD: ok, thanks for all. bye! |
| 00:48.16 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: go lick a wallsocket |
| 00:48.20 | mickeyks | Disposable_hero-: no |
| 00:48.21 | GNULinux | sgeigerbot: I'm not actually using X. rather, I'm using the linux console. that is, I'm using "loadkeys ~/.keymap". (currently, my X server code base is dead :-( ) |
| 00:48.26 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: :( |
| 00:48.27 | T_VoiD | Analyser: it works but you might have missed something (like changing the default root partition on the kernel if you're not using a bootloader that specify it) |
| 00:48.33 | Disposable_hero- | mickeyks: ok, thanks anyway |
| 00:48.44 | thomas_adam | something's wrong.... |
| 00:48.54 | ac1d | um |
| 00:49.01 | ac1d | can someone please take a look a kernel error for me |
| 00:49.07 | ac1d | it relates to my hard drive |
| 00:49.10 | ac1d | but i dont know wgats wrong |
| 00:49.19 | ac1d | its long, so if someone would join #flood |
| 00:49.19 | mickeyks | Disposable_hero-: you would think there should be, but i've seen the question asked here several times and the consensus seems to be no |
| 00:49.23 | sussudio | ac1d: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 00:49.29 | ac1d | OH NO |
| 00:49.30 | sussudio | ac1d: i believe that answers your question |
| 00:49.32 | ac1d | UTS A SNAKKE |
| 00:49.38 | ac1d | s/U/I |
| 00:49.40 | greycat | oh jesus, another one. |
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| 00:49.45 | thomas_adam | Disposable_hero-: aptitude can. |
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| 00:50.08 | mickeyks | thomas_adam: at the command line? |
| 00:50.13 | ac1d | hm, no one? |
| 00:50.15 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: yes, RTFM. |
| 00:50.25 | mickeyks | thomas_adam: eat shit. |
| 00:50.32 | The_Vulture | ? |
| 00:50.33 | T_VoiD | sussudio: can you explain, perhaps ad1d got it, but I didn't, I lacked some additional hidden info |
| 00:50.45 | sussudio | T_VoiD: try the ipmasq howto |
| 00:50.48 | thomas_adam | -r, -g, --with-recommends, --with-suggests |
| 00:50.50 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: that was uncalled for |
| 00:51.11 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: i disagree. |
| 00:51.12 | T_VoiD | sussudio: I never needed it, I was trying to help Analyser who is gone. kernel 2.2.x is too old for me to remember hehe |
| 00:51.25 | ac1d | can someone help me with a hard drive error i get on boot? |
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| 00:51.36 | thomas_adam | ac1d: JAYFQ. |
| 00:51.41 | ac1d | que? |
| 00:51.44 | ac1d | ah |
| 00:51.46 | ac1d | i see |
| 00:51.48 | thomas_adam | ac1d: Ask your question. |
| 00:51.50 | ac1d | uhm |
| 00:51.51 | T_VoiD | sussudio: i'd never use back a kernel 2.2 just because of the big downgrade from iptables to ipchains |
| 00:51.58 | greycat | !tell ac1d about errors |
| 00:51.58 | ac1d | i need to paste an error, which is the only reason im asking |
| 00:52.01 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: if you find RTFM so offensive, perhaps you should read it as "read the friendly manual", in any case that's where you'd find how to install with suggests/recommends, simply by searching for the word "suggests" (less can do this with '/', I guess more and other pagers do similarly) |
| 00:52.08 | ac1d | greycat, im trying to |
| 00:52.15 | The_Vulture | for something so easy to find, it doesn't seem unreasonable to refer someone to the manual |
| 00:52.25 | ac1d | greycat, im seeing if someone is willing to help, and join flood, so i can paste the errors |
| 00:52.30 | ac1d | they are too long for here. |
| 00:52.32 | thomas_adam | It is what they were made for, after all. |
| 00:52.40 | The_Vulture | thomas_adam: indeed |
| 00:52.41 | greycat | ac1d: you should find the *one* line that really matters and paste that, here |
| 00:52.47 | ac1d | ok |
| 00:52.49 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: it's not the RTFM that i find offensive, it's thomas_adam's attitude in my interaction with him tonight in general |
| 00:52.54 | sgeigerbot | GNULinux: I'm not sure that this is what you want, but for some things it might be useful to know about: |
| 00:52.56 | sgeigerbot | ~+keymap |
| 00:52.57 | apt | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" (or in potato, /usr/sbin/kbdconfig from the console-tools package). To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps |
| 00:53.05 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: at any rate, it wasn't even my question |
| 00:53.08 | ac1d | Jun 30 19:50:13 zmedia kernel: hdc: media error (bad sector): status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 00:53.13 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: you added the bit about 'potato', eh? :) |
| 00:53.16 | ac1d | i get tons of those in kern.log |
| 00:53.42 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: well you did ask him a question, whether or not it was motivated by someone else's question, although I'm not sure that matters much |
| 00:53.43 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: no. that's someone else's factoid |
| 00:53.44 | joshua_ | mickeyks: might I refer you to ESR's document on "How to ask smart questions" - namely the section about "on not reacting like a loser.." although admittedly RTFM is nto a particularly helpful answer |
| 00:53.48 | greycat | ac1d: if hdc is a hard disk, then it's time to replace it |
| 00:53.53 | ac1d | blast |
| 00:53.56 | greycat | ac1d: either that, or the IDE cable. |
| 00:53.58 | The_Vulture | greycat: I disagree, in this case it was pretty clear which manual was to be read, we were discussing aptitude |
| 00:54.02 | ac1d | ok, second question |
| 00:54.02 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Not my factoid. |
| 00:54.08 | sgeigerbot | ~+factinfo keymap |
| 00:54.08 | apt | keymap -- last modified at Wed Dec 31 16:33:39 2003 by streuner!~streuner@p50836C2C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de; it has been requested 25 times, last by sgeigerbot, 1m 11s ago. |
| 00:54.09 | ac1d | anyone know where to get cheap laptop hard drives? |
| 00:54.12 | sgeigerbot | what? |
| 00:54.14 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 00:54.19 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: what can i say. I'm really not sorry. |
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| 00:54.21 | The_Vulture | but yes, unless the manual type/location is immediately obvious, I'm usually reasonably suggestive |
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| 00:54.35 | Crimson | rtfm$_? |
| 00:54.53 | thomas_adam | ac1d: If you get a cheap one, you'll be replacing it sooner than you probably want. |
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| 00:55.04 | sgeigerbot | greycat: you should not be here anyway. :-) |
| 00:55.26 | greycat | sgeigerbot: why's that? |
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| 00:55.52 | sgeigerbot | greycat: It's not business hours. |
| 00:56.04 | Analyser | someone know if it are incorrect? ipchains -A input -p tcp -j REDIRECT -s 0.0.0.0/0 --source-port 80 --destination 192.168.1.3 --destination-port 80 |
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| 00:57.05 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 00:57.08 | sgeigerbot | Analyser: why aren't you using iptables? |
| 00:57.11 | ac1d | eh |
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| 00:57.30 | Analyser | sgeigerbot: i use 2.2.19 kernel in my 486 router! |
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| 00:57.39 | sgeigerbot | Analyser: okay, just checking:-) |
| 00:57.40 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: Friend of mine electrocuted herself last year. |
| 00:57.40 | ac1d | thomas_adam, i'd take anything ATM, i got a 3 year warranty on my laptop, and apparently, installing debian voided that warranty.. so im fucked |
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| 00:57.45 | sussudio | !exploit Analyser |
| 00:57.55 | nvz | I want to be able to blacklist some websites from being able to do their annoying shit, I tried using a filter on my router, what would be the easiest way to do this locally? would be nice if I could do it in firefox and just not have it load and windows or tabs or such |
| 00:57.59 | ac1d | to microsoft |
| 00:58.01 | ac1d | ? |
| 00:58.12 | sussudio | ac1d: 5n4k3 |
| 00:58.12 | Analyser | sgeigerbot: no problens... everyone are making me that question :P |
| 00:58.22 | T_VoiD | ac1d: there's no cdrom "insta-reinstall windows" stuff? |
| 00:58.25 | skel | nvz: route deny? |
| 00:58.25 | ac1d | sussudio, whats with you and badgers? |
| 00:58.25 | sgeigerbot | ac1d: He's dutch. Give him a break. He's usually pretty good with English...but it's his 2nd lang. |
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| 00:58.34 | thomas_adam | nvz: content-based, or URL-based? |
| 00:58.40 | Analyser | sussudio: :PpP |
| 00:58.44 | greycat | sgeigerbot: that's got nothing to do with badgers |
| 00:58.48 | sgeigerbot | ac1d: Re: badgers> he's dutch. Man, how many times do I have to tell you this? |
| 00:58.51 | ac1d | T_VoiD, apparently they informed me that 'they know' |
| 00:58.54 | greycat | sgeigerbot: you forgot that he's also insane |
| 00:58.55 | ac1d | heh |
| 00:58.56 | T_VoiD | Analyser: you should spend time on compiling the kernel elsewhere and have it working on router ;) |
| 00:58.56 | sgeigerbot | greycat: ditto |
| 00:59.01 | ac1d | sgeigerbot, i asked before :P |
| 00:59.03 | nvz | thomas_adam: well I have seen alot of specific sites that I want to block based on URL |
| 00:59.22 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Well, they sell some stinky smoking products in Amsterdam. |
| 00:59.24 | thomas_adam | nvz: Then squid primarily -- content-wise, you can use 'dansguardian'. |
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| 00:59.37 | Analyser | T_VoiD: i know.... but i dont wanna change... my router are working so fine... :P |
| 00:59.37 | greycat | sgeigerbot: they sell even worse ones here. They contain nicotine. |
| 00:59.39 | T_VoiD | ac1d: is that specifically written on the warranty? else just reinstall windows and deny whatever they tell :p |
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| 00:59.52 | ac1d | hehe |
| 00:59.53 | nvz | thomas_adam: squid is a lightweight software proxy? |
| 01:00.03 | greycat | squid's not precisely lightweight |
| 01:00.05 | ac1d | T_VoiD, any fiddling outside of windows apparently voids it |
| 01:00.06 | nvz | heh |
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| 01:00.07 | ac1d | i hate best buy' |
| 01:00.09 | thomas_adam | nvz: "lightweight" in terms of..... |
| 01:00.12 | T_VoiD | Analyser: ipchains can't be fine when you see what can do iptables :p |
| 01:00.17 | greycat | i suppose it depends on what you compare it to |
| 01:00.27 | T_VoiD | ac1d: "apparently" is it written? |
| 01:00.29 | unperson | Hi, I was in here earlier and mentioned I want to upgrade my debian sarge system to the 2.6 kernel by apt-getting the debian 2.6 kernel image. Is there a guide out there for any extra steps I have to follow (e.g. setting grub to give me the choice of booting from the new kernel)? |
| 01:00.39 | nvz | well I am not looking for alot of work or resources for this.. I have a 200mhz, and all I want to do is blacklist some URLs when I find sites that do ignorant things |
| 01:00.40 | Analyser | T_VoiD: i dont need too much, just masq, block something, and redirect others :P |
| 01:00.42 | sgeigerbot | greycat: My city's city council executed a sneak attack on the smoking proponents on the board a week ago--they had an unannounced vote on banning smoking in the city...and it passed because the opposition was unprepared. :-) |
| 01:00.44 | T_VoiD | ac1d: and what's the company name, so I never buy one of their laptops? |
| 01:00.46 | thomas_adam | unperson: Several. |
| 01:00.50 | ac1d | T_VoiD, Compaq |
| 01:00.57 | ac1d | T_VoiD, i made the mistake of purchasing one |
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| 01:01.01 | T_VoiD | ac1d: lamers... thanks for info |
| 01:01.06 | ac1d | np |
| 01:01.18 | unperson | thomas_adam, Most of the ones I found with a quick google search focused on the ins and outs of compiling a kernel. |
| 01:01.24 | Analyser | ac1d: my router is 486 compaq, and works very fine ! :P |
| 01:01.27 | unperson | thomas_adam, Which is not my concern. |
| 01:01.32 | greycat | unperson: a lot of the module names change from linux to linxu2.6 |
| 01:01.36 | greycat | s/xu/us/ |
| 01:01.43 | sussudio | compaqqqq |
| 01:02.03 | ac1d | Analyser, my laptop is Presario 2100, and is overheating so fast that i can make smores over the keyboard |
| 01:02.04 | helix | meh |
| 01:02.04 | nvz | I would think someone would have made a blocked sites plugin for firefox, but I guess it hasnt happened because there are better ways of doing it.. personally being able to send a site to a blacklist from my browser would be the easiest thing I would think |
| 01:02.04 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: Is that a 4 paq? |
| 01:02.06 | T_VoiD | ac1d: and I wonder if that's not against some law to force the customer to only use windows on it. heh what was all this microsoft monopoly suing in the past? |
| 01:02.13 | ac1d | heh |
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| 01:02.21 | ac1d | T_VoiD, there not 'forcing' they are nudging |
| 01:02.30 | ac1d | ie: if you fuck around with our setup, we wont support it |
| 01:02.31 | unperson | greycat, Linus2.6 ;-) Is that Torvalds' semi-grandkid? |
| 01:02.35 | T_VoiD | ac1d: but really is it *written* in the warranty? |
| 01:02.42 | Analyser | ac1d: pay and fix it... :P |
| 01:02.46 | ac1d | in the best buy warranty for the lappy |
| 01:02.49 | mickeyks | unperson: all the guides i've read pretty much assume you're going to use lilo, unfortunately |
| 01:02.50 | ac1d | Analyser, im a poor schmo |
| 01:02.57 | greycat | unperson: damn it. you know what I meant, though.... |
| 01:03.01 | T_VoiD | ac1d: if they just tell that to stop you and it's false, get windows back and pretend you never had linux |
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| 01:03.14 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: That's because they were written at a time LILO was "the" bootloader to use. |
| 01:03.19 | Analyser | ac1d: im too.... :/ |
| 01:03.20 | ac1d | T_VoiD, i will. |
| 01:03.22 | dan2 | shit, no beer |
| 01:03.30 | ac1d | T_VoiD, im just sad because i lose a lot of work |
| 01:03.35 | ac1d | s/e/t |
| 01:03.46 | unperson | mickeyks, Yeah. I found that too. Honestly I don't care, but grub is what was installed when I installed sarge. |
| 01:03.51 | Analyser | ac1d: oh man... u dont did backup? |
| 01:04.04 | ac1d | Analyser, last backup was 3 days ago |
| 01:04.09 | ac1d | Analyser, not recent enough |
| 01:04.14 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: hear hear. |
| 01:04.29 | Analyser | ac1d: :( |
| 01:04.34 | ac1d | Analyser, lucky for me i keep _every_ dotfile on the system (and all major confs) on a 128MB CF card :P |
| 01:04.38 | mickeyks | i use lilo mainly becaus it's the boot loader used in most examples |
| 01:04.42 | sgeigerbot | 5 |
| 01:04.43 | sgeigerbot | 4 |
| 01:04.45 | sgeigerbot | 3 |
| 01:04.47 | ac1d | haha |
| 01:04.48 | sgeigerbot | ;-0 |
| 01:04.55 | helix | fuck |
| 01:04.58 | helix | i should have kicked him |
| 01:05.11 | T_VoiD | i low level reformatted my drive on my laptop twice already haha, i just do that when i start having bad sectors then it's good for 1 more year (i know i'm cheap hehe) |
| 01:05.22 | nvz | helix: its ok helix, you're still our hero |
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| 01:05.38 | thomas_adam | "low-level formatting" -- here we go again.... |
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| 01:05.49 | T_VoiD | thomas_adam: no smart support |
| 01:05.54 | dan2 | nvz: no, mwilson is our hero |
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| 01:06.00 | helix | sussudio: indeed |
| 01:06.00 | T_VoiD | thomas_adam: the laptop was mid-end in 1998 |
| 01:06.02 | loke_ | thomas_adam, im looking at the lilo.conf but dont understand the comment/uncomment, can you explain? |
| 01:06.09 | ac1d | T_VoiD, i don't have _some_ bad sectors, my kern.log has about 1000lines of bad sectors being repoted |
| 01:06.21 | greycat | nvz: preteen? |
| 01:06.32 | nvz | greycat: well I am guessing |
| 01:06.40 | helix | "takes one to know one"? |
| 01:06.55 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/being_sgeigerbot.png |
| 01:07.17 | dan2 | sussudio do you have any more of those farm animals with our nicks under them |
| 01:07.28 | ac1d | ROFL |
| 01:07.36 | sussudio | dan2: baah? |
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| 01:07.45 | greycat | dan2: cowsay |
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| 01:07.46 | nvz | Randy: you're not my type, try rahul |
| 01:08.12 | thomas_adam | sussudio: heh |
| 01:08.18 | dan2 | greycat: whats that? |
| 01:08.18 | T_VoiD | sussudio: nice one |
| 01:08.24 | greycat | !info cowsay |
| 01:08.26 | dpkg | cowsay: (A configurable talking cow), section games, is optional. Version: 3.03-6 (sid), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 78 kB |
| 01:08.28 | thomas_adam | !cowsay |
| 01:08.29 | dpkg | methinks cowsay is a configurable talking cow, or an absolutely vital program for turning text into happy ASCII cows, or at http://www.nog.net/~tony/warez/cowsay.shtml, or what asg uses to combat the evil Outlook(TM) stationary that is sent to him |
| 01:08.45 | thomas_adam | moo |
| 01:08.48 | greycat | "Outlook(TM) stationary"? |
| 01:09.02 | greycat | well, I suppose that's better than a mobile Outlook(TM) |
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| 01:09.14 | thomas_adam | greycat: mail spam? -- I know he had that mailrun last month. |
| 01:09.21 | nvz | last time I used outlook the stationaries were just HTML |
| 01:09.23 | mickeyks | sussudio: i think you need something in there about emacs macros |
| 01:09.23 | greycat | !dict stationery |
| 01:09.26 | dpkg | Dictionary 'stationery' (2 shown): Stationery \Sta"tion*er*y\, n. The articles usually sold by stationers, as paper, pens, ink, quills, blank books, etc. ;; paper cut to an appropriate size for writing letters; usually with matching envelopes . |
| 01:09.29 | loke_ | thomas_adam, im looking at the lilo.conf but dont understand the comment/uncomment, can you explain? |
| 01:09.30 | greycat | !dict stationary |
| 01:09.32 | dpkg | Dictionary 'stationary' (2 shown; 8 total): 3. Appearing to be at rest, because moving in the line of vision; not progressive or retrograde, as a planet. ;; Stationary engine. (a) A steam engine thet is permanently placed, in distinction from a portable engine, locomotive, marine engine, etc. Specifically: (b) A factory engine, in distinction from a blowing, pumping, or other kind of engine which is also permanently placed.. |
| 01:09.55 | sussudio | mickeyks: the first rule of emacs macros is... |
| 01:10.20 | mickeyks | sussudio: good one |
| 01:10.24 | dan2 | greycat: come to fllod |
| 01:10.26 | dan2 | flood even |
| 01:10.59 | sussudio | his name was robert paulson..... |
| 01:11.05 | greycat | nvz: won't work. I have the onboard kind. |
| 01:11.22 | Caelum | blah, ping() is b0rked in firefox 0.9 |
| 01:11.27 | thomas_adam | Can you say: "pedant" out loud? |
| 01:11.42 | sussudio | thomas_adam: hobo's can |
| 01:11.55 | thomas_adam | sussudio: vagabonds, and theives, |
| 01:12.03 | mickeyks | sussudio: the last rule is, if this is your first time, you have to compile from source |
| 01:12.10 | sussudio | thomas_adam: badger PEDANT shiver me timbers |
| 01:12.13 | unperson | Ok, well, are there likely any other steps besides apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 and configuring grub? |
| 01:12.44 | thomas_adam | loke_: ignore it -- just re-run lilo as documented and try again. |
| 01:13.01 | mickeyks | unperson: probably not, but of course you will have options set in your kernel that you don't need |
| 01:13.07 | dan2 | are there any programs that will convert pictures to ascii art |
| 01:13.29 | sussudio | !tell dan2 about search |
| 01:13.32 | sussudio | =:-B |
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| 01:13.34 | unperson | mickeyks, You mean because it's not custom? |
| 01:13.44 | loke_ | exit |
| 01:13.44 | sussudio | dan2: in short, yes. |
| 01:14.13 | mickeyks | unperson: if you apt-get install a kernel image, then you're installing a binary |
| 01:14.18 | GNULinux | I am using the linux console but ordinarily I use X. when using emacs in X, many modifier combinations are available but not with the linux console. the command "loadkeys" will load a specified keymap which translates a "scan code" to an "action code". the command "showkey" will give a key's "scan code" and the command "dumpkeys" will dump the current translations. however, I need a large list of spare "action codes" to perform |
| 01:14.18 | GNULinux | all the translations that I want to perform. isn't there any way to list all available "action codes"? |
| 01:14.22 | thomas_adam | dan2: Umm, you can use convert to do it, but the actual "to ascii" part it best done in perl. |
| 01:14.27 | mickeyks | unperson: yeah |
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| 01:15.15 | nvz | GNULinux: sounds like something that would be in the documentation, tried grep'ing the docs? |
| 01:15.31 | unperson | mickeyks, Eh, that I can live with. I'm using a stock kernel now that works fine except I need ACPI support. |
| 01:15.59 | unperson | mickeyks, I think there will be fewer headaches if I stick with a stock kernel, and the 2.6 kernel supposedly has ACPI support. |
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| 01:16.15 | mickeyks | unperson: hopefully it's on by default :) |
| 01:16.27 | vladkao | unperson: scared of a kernel compile ? |
| 01:16.47 | nvz | unperson: ACPI and many other things are in 2.6 I cant vouch for it being enabled by default in the deb packages though |
| 01:17.23 | V01D | (sorry for re-asking, having mirc problems) My x server says its prerelease and it won't start with my geforce4.... can i get some help please? |
| 01:17.25 | unperson | nvz, Besed on web pages I ran, it is. |
| 01:17.31 | unperson | s/ran/read/ |
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| 01:17.45 | dan2 | thomas_adam: how does convert do it |
| 01:17.52 | unperson | vladkao, Eh, not so much scared as it's not nearly worth the trouble unless it's neccessary. |
| 01:17.56 | mickeyks | mirc? |
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| 01:17.59 | nvz | vladkao: it requires a good bit of knowlage about your hardware, kernel options, and system configuration |
| 01:18.00 | greycat | V01D: you must give more detail. version of debian, version of linux, version of X. |
| 01:18.02 | T_VoiD | later.. |
| 01:18.04 | mickeyks | V01D: are you running mirc in wine? |
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| 01:18.10 | thomas_adam | dan2: You have to get convert to convert it to black and white, and the lowest resolution possible... |
| 01:18.14 | V01D | on windows 2000... |
| 01:18.15 | greycat | mickeyks: unlikely, if he can't make X work |
| 01:18.21 | vladkao | unperson: the first thing i do, when reinstall is to compile the kernel :) |
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| 01:18.30 | V01D | just downloaded stable version of debian today... cd 1 |
| 01:18.32 | GNULinux | nvz: I'm tryng google searches but I haven't found the right search string yet |
| 01:18.40 | greycat | V01D: /msg dpkg nvidia debs |
| 01:18.41 | dan2 | thomas_adam: |
| 01:18.44 | dan2 | thomas_adam: oh |
| 01:18.53 | greycat | or whatever mIRC uses for /msg |
| 01:18.57 | mickeyks | greycat: true, but it seemed weird that he's using mirc in general, thought maybe he's on another computer |
| 01:18.58 | vladkao | nvz: yup, but if it is a stock kernel, all the options are turned as they should (supposedly) be |
| 01:19.10 | nvz | GNULinux: if this is an Emacs thing grep -R _foo_ /usr/share/doc/emacs |
| 01:19.15 | ac1d | is there any way to get find to list only the file name |
| 01:19.19 | ac1d | and not the absolute path |
| 01:19.22 | V01D | oh... thanx... |
| 01:19.31 | siimo | my modem is only connecting at v.34 speeds ive tried using the init string i use in windows but it doesnt work can someone please help? |
| 01:19.33 | nvz | vladkao: if its a stock kernel its already compiled |
| 01:20.02 | vladkao | nvz: i meant the debian source package, as opposed to vanilla kernel.org sources |
| 01:20.04 | ac1d | anyone know? |
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| 01:20.37 | nvz | vladkao: well I wouldnt know.. I usually wget the file from kernel.org and use kernel-package and fakeroot |
| 01:21.04 | vladkao | nvz: yeah, i guess you know your hardware (as i do ;) ) |
| 01:21.11 | mickeyks | ac1d: what good would it be if it did that? just to verify that the file exists? |
| 01:21.34 | V01D | how can i use a simple text editor on debian... i can't get around emacs nor vi... i can't even understand them...? |
| 01:21.39 | greycat | V01D: nano |
| 01:21.44 | mickeyks | ...or whether there are any files that include a string in the title |
| 01:21.49 | unperson | Grr....info, from hell's heart I stab at thee! |
| 01:21.49 | V01D | ok... thanx |
| 01:22.02 | greycat | unperson: try the shotgun. |
| 01:22.03 | thomas_adam | ac1d: find . -type f -printf '%P\n' |
| 01:22.12 | mickeyks | V01D: but vim is cool once you get used to it :) |
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| 01:22.31 | V01D | i couldn't exit neither... had to do ctrl-alt-del... |
| 01:22.33 | nvz | vladkao: yeah well I look for Via82Cxxxx and Intel PIIx series Socket 7 systems, and buy them up. I bought four of them this year for $10 each so far.. I blew one up, the others work though |
| 01:22.33 | V01D | argh |
| 01:22.36 | Loplin | Hello |
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| 01:22.41 | greycat | V01D: you could have asked us how to exit |
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| 01:23.10 | V01D | i'm linux newbie... couldn't even startx... |
| 01:23.16 | unperson | greycat, Hmm..not sure firearms are called for.....YET. |
| 01:23.17 | mickeyks | V01D: you can type 'vimtutor' from a shell and get a pretty useful lesson |
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| 01:23.39 | V01D | ok... i'll try to reboot now and try to update x... |
| 01:23.42 | V01D | bbl |
| 01:23.44 | vladkao | nvz: hard learning ;) |
| 01:23.54 | mickeyks | V01D: you shouldn't have to reboot |
| 01:24.02 | unperson | Wow, the man page (and info node) for grub blow big time. |
| 01:24.04 | greycat | mickeyks: he's in windows. |
| 01:24.12 | V01D | oh... wait... how can i configure my adsl connection to download stuff...? |
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| 01:24.18 | nvz | vladkao: I used to compile very specific micro kernels, but now that I am tinkering more often I am building kernels that support both Mobo chipsets, as well as other popular hardware.. 3com, Tulip, 8139 based nics, ESS 16xx & 18xx chipsets, SB compatables.. etc |
| 01:24.22 | V01D | using apt-get and so... |
| 01:24.26 | mickeyks | greycat: oh. |
| 01:24.26 | greycat | V01D: does it use PPPoE, or DHCP? |
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| 01:24.36 | V01D | i think pppoe |
| 01:24.39 | thomas_adam | V01D: apt-get -d ? |
| 01:24.41 | greycat | V01D: /msg dpkg pppoe |
| 01:24.41 | nvz | vladkao: that way when shit dies I can swap parts without having to rebuild my kernel |
| 01:24.46 | vladkao | nvz: as modules, no doubt ? |
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| 01:25.24 | V01D | i dunno where to start configuring things... |
| 01:25.28 | spOOK | 'hi |
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| 01:25.58 | V01D | bbl... |
| 01:25.59 | greycat | V01D: read the pppoe factoid that dpkg gave you, and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/* and then start typing... |
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| 01:26.23 | nvz | vladkao: yeah |
| 01:26.29 | V01D | ok... |
| 01:26.39 | GNULinux | nvz: I got the answer now: dumpkeys -l |
| 01:26.45 | vladkao | nvz: clever :) |
| 01:26.51 | thomas_adam | GNULinux: Was that from looking in the manpage? |
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| 01:26.59 | nvz | thomas_adam: heh |
| 01:27.47 | nvz | grep makes documentation more fun, you dont have to actually RTFM, you just pull out the relevant line and move on |
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| 01:28.20 | greycat | nvz: and it's terrifically exciting when the line before the one that grep matched ends with "and don't EVER" |
| 01:28.30 | mickeyks | yeah but you have to learn how to use grep |
| 01:28.32 | nvz | greycat: heh |
| 01:28.37 | mickeyks | heh |
| 01:28.53 | vladkao | haha |
| 01:29.10 | nvz | greycat: grep has options you know.. like -A -B you know |
| 01:29.41 | nvz | the -R is also good for documentation searches |
| 01:30.02 | vladkao | greycat: i doubt that any manpage would actually contain sentences of the sort. but i guess "An wrog invocation is :..." would be more common |
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| 01:30.20 | nvz | vladkao: dont doubt such things when it comes to open source |
| 01:30.26 | greycat | vladkao: you wouldn't grep man pages, though, normally |
| 01:30.47 | vladkao | no i don't :) |
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| 01:30.56 | vladkao | and wouldn't |
| 01:30.56 | nvz | vladkao: read Linux 1.1 irq.c, where Linus says in a comment that the "... IBM Developers ... should be shot ... " |
| 01:30.57 | greycat | vladkao: you'd be more likely to grep [A-Z]* in some source tree, or /usr/share/info/foobar.* |
| 01:31.28 | vladkao | greycat: i'd read manpages throu `man` |
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| 01:31.34 | vladkao | nvz: really ? :) |
| 01:31.47 | greycat | nvz: uh, I don't happen to have a linux 1.1 source tree lying about |
| 01:32.03 | nvz | vladkao: yeah the early source was the best.. for reading anyhow |
| 01:32.17 | nvz | greycat: me either, after I read it I rm'd it |
| 01:32.29 | vladkao | they are more careful with the words now :) |
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| 01:32.35 | nvz | greycat: I think it only builds on floppies IIRC |
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| 01:33.19 | nvz | vladkao: well if it was a big deal you wouldnt still be able to d/l it from kernel.org and read it |
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| 01:33.47 | vladkao | sure, but look at the sources now |
| 01:33.49 | deadsmith | marillat.free.fr gone? |
| 01:33.51 | mickeyks | if procmaillog comes back with "no match on" various list-id's, does that mean that there was no corresponding folder, or that a given piece of mail had merely not been sorted to those lists, or something else...? |
| 01:33.56 | greycat | griffon:/usr/src/linux-2.4.26$ grep -r fuck . | wc -l |
| 01:33.57 | greycat | 36 |
| 01:34.34 | vladkao | hahah |
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| 01:35.48 | Hamled|Erp | for a laptop, what type of mouse should I tell XWindows to use? |
| 01:35.54 | greycat | usually PS/2 |
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| 01:36.34 | Loplin | what command would I use to have resolv.conf automaticly update? |
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| 01:37.23 | greycat | Loplin: if you're on pppoe, there's an option you need to add to one of the configs, something like "usepeerdns" |
| 01:37.38 | Caelum | what's the command to update a debian changelog properly? |
| 01:37.52 | Loplin | hmm |
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| 01:38.16 | greycat | Caelum: dch |
| 01:38.33 | Caelum | greycat: ahh thank you |
| 01:38.38 | nvz | Linux 1.0 (~/linux/kernel/irq.c: line 302-304) " * Careful.. Not only is IRQ13 unreliable, but it is also * leads to races. IBM designers who came up with it should * be shot.) |
| 01:39.07 | greycat | that's not too offensive :) |
| 01:39.17 | nvz | na but its still funny |
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| 01:39.32 | Hamled|Erp | greycat, would PS/2 handle the built-in mouse, I know there's a PS/2 port for a regular mouse as well... |
| 01:40.02 | nvz | I was not until then able to appreciate the frustration of a programmer towards engineers |
| 01:40.04 | greycat | laptop touchpads are usually straight PS/2 |
| 01:40.07 | Hamled|Erp | ok |
| 01:40.19 | deadsmith | Hamled|Erp, my 3-button thinkpad uses this: |
| 01:40.21 | deadsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.21 | deadsmith | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.41 | greycat | pegasus:/usr/src/sys$ grep -r fuck . | wc -l |
| 01:40.43 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.54 | vladkao | hah |
| 01:40.56 | deadsmith | Hamled|Erp PS/2 also works.. |
| 01:41.04 | greycat | pegasus == openbsd 3.5-current |
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| 01:41.13 | nvz | well I am going to eat something before its too late |
| 01:41.37 | nvz | I tried FreeBSD once but I never installed |
| 01:42.10 | greycat | * One great fuckup deserves another. The Linux people * made this their personality system call. But we can't * tell if a binary is SVR4 or Linux until they do that * system call, in some cases. So when we get it, and the * value is out of some magical range, switch to Linux * emulation and pray. |
| 01:42.29 | nvz | seemed like the only superior qualities BSD had was the ability to confuse one's self doing simple tasks |
| 01:42.45 | Hamled|Erp | deadsmith, greycat, thanks |
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| 01:44.15 | mickeyks | why is it necessary (if it is) to set PATH in .procmailrc? |
| 01:44.30 | nvz | I tried to read the FreeBSD handbook but it was too heavy |
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| 01:44.49 | V01D | hey... back with more problems... |
| 01:44.54 | nvz | mickeyks: maybe it run by "nobody" or something |
| 01:45.19 | ac1d | greycat, haha, what kernel is that? |
| 01:45.23 | V01D | i have a pretty unknown adsl modem (usb) wich reads ca-80u adsl usb |
| 01:45.26 | greycat | ac1d: openbsd 3.5 |
| 01:45.35 | ac1d | [09:43 PM][relex:/usr/src/linux-2.6.1]#grep -r fuck . | wc -l |
| 01:45.35 | ac1d | 37 |
| 01:45.37 | V01D | i dont know how to make linux recongnize it |
| 01:45.40 | ac1d | :P |
| 01:45.47 | gothtec | I have accepted tcp syn packets to ports 139 and 445 in iptables, but still my samba server will only respond to requests sent to its ip. It does not participate in windows' network neighbourhood. What else do I need to accept? |
| 01:45.54 | mickeyks | nvz: does nobody not have envirnoment variable defaults set anywhere? |
| 01:45.55 | greycat | USB ADSL modems. Run. Run fast. |
| 01:46.06 | Justin | (%:~)- grep -c fuck irclogs/freenode/\#debian.log |
| 01:46.06 | Justin | 790 |
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| 01:46.07 | Justin | heh |
| 01:46.14 | ac1d | rofl |
| 01:46.16 | nvz | mickeyks: I dont know was just a wild guess that it was perhaps for some unprivlaged user |
| 01:46.17 | vladkao | haha |
| 01:46.28 | V01D | greycat-> how do i get debian to use it? |
| 01:46.30 | greycat | nvz: it was a stupid guess. |
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| 01:46.34 | greycat | V01D: I don't know |
| 01:46.35 | aeromax | hey |
| 01:46.42 | directhex | /proc/ide/*/capacity details a drive size in sectors. any ideas on how to convert this to GB ? |
| 01:46.57 | aeromax | im having a lot of problems iwht my sound all of a sudden, i did a alsaconf and it messed things up, now it says i dont have a /dev/dsp |
| 01:46.57 | sgeigerbot | In trying to get isolinux to boot from a Ghost boot image I've put onto a CD, I am faced with this challenge: I need to pad the file in some way so that it appears to be a certain size (1474560 bytes). How can I do that |
| 01:46.58 | sgeigerbot | ? |
| 01:47.04 | aeromax | and i get no sound iwth nothing |
| 01:47.06 | nvz | greycat: thank you the only one that appreciates my ignorance more than you is helix |
| 01:47.06 | greycat | directhex: sectors are usually 512 bytes |
| 01:47.19 | aeromax | however alsaconf detects my soundcard, however i dont not see it lsmod |
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| 01:47.24 | aeromax | can anyone ehelp |
| 01:47.24 | V01D | can i download the x stuff for my geforce4 on windows in any way and then install it on linux? |
| 01:47.33 | directhex | greycat, how "usual" is "usually"? |
| 01:47.52 | greycat | directhex: what does "fdisk -l /dev/whatever" say about it? |
| 01:48.26 | [Outlaw] | Anyone here familiar with nvtv? |
| 01:48.28 | greycat | V01D: if you mean just the nvidia debs, I suppose it shouldn't be *too* bad. I don't know how many separate .deb files are required, but it should be a small number. |
| 01:48.29 | zakame | ehlo! |
| 01:48.44 | V01D | but from where? |
| 01:48.55 | directhex | greycat, does look like 512, but do you know how often it _won_'t be 512? i need to retrieve disk capacity in human readable size in 100% user space |
| 01:48.57 | greycat | V01D: /msg dpkg nvidia debs |
| 01:49.03 | zakame | anyone got 6310 nvidia debs working on a 4k stack kernel? |
| 01:49.13 | greycat | directhex: /proc isn't exactly user space :) |
| 01:49.22 | V01D | dpgk nvidia debs |
| 01:49.23 | aeromax | can anyone help me with sound |
| 01:49.29 | V01D | damn! |
| 01:49.32 | greycat | aeromax: /msg dpkg sound |
| 01:49.40 | greycat | V01D: dpkg, not dpgk |
| 01:49.44 | directhex | greycat, meh, parts of it are user-readable by default, which is good enough for me |
| 01:50.01 | nvz | zakame: ooh usage polls do you work for nvidia? ;) or are you thier unofficial surveyor |
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| 01:50.31 | zakame | nvz: nope, i work for XXX :P |
| 01:50.35 | sgeigerbot | greycat: do you know how to pad a file to increase its size? |
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| 01:50.52 | aeromax | i dont think that would help |
| 01:50.52 | nvz | zakame: whats that? you mean you are a porn star? |
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| 01:50.57 | aeromax | my problem is preetty big |
| 01:50.57 | cbillett | is nautilus going under a rewrite or something? |
| 01:50.59 | Justin | sgeigerbot: dd? |
| 01:50.59 | aeromax | and very unusual |
| 01:51.00 | greycat | sgeigerbot: echo stuff >> file |
| 01:51.00 | V01D | there's no "stable" dir |
| 01:51.03 | zakame | nvz: google me :P |
| 01:51.04 | aeromax | i have had it working b5 |
| 01:51.05 | aeromax | b4 |
| 01:51.10 | nvz | zakame: heh |
| 01:51.17 | JamesS | if i wanted to create a 4.7GB (1000^3) file image with dd what settings would i use? i can never quite get it figured out |
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| 01:51.36 | sgeigerbot | greycat: good idea |
| 01:51.38 | greycat | JamesS: dd bs=1000000 count=4700 |
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| 01:51.46 | JamesS | greycat: thank you |
| 01:51.50 | nvz | zakame: I think I already got several of your sites in my bookmarks ;) |
| 01:52.05 | mickeyks | why does .procmailrc need a SENDMAIL variable set, as it (i thought) only deals with incoming mail? |
| 01:52.14 | zakame | JamesS: dd of=myfile bs=1M seek=47000 count=0 |
| 01:52.22 | greycat | mickeyks: maybe for some fancy forwarding? dunno |
| 01:52.24 | zakame | nvz: oh! how nice ;) |
| 01:52.28 | nvz | zakame: according to this lame assed company trying to sell windows privacy protection there are over 700 traces of porn on my system |
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| 01:52.48 | zakame | JamesS: do you want it filled iwth zeros or randomness? |
| 01:52.52 | greycat | nvz: they only found 700 of them? God, they *must* suck. |
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| 01:53.02 | nvz | I know its B.S because I can d/l more porn or erase my profile dir, and it always says the same thing |
| 01:53.05 | sri_ | hello folks |
| 01:53.15 | zakame | nvz: heh, and they tell you windows is cheap.. cheep ;) |
| 01:53.16 | JamesS | zakame: i am filling it with /dev/zero |
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| 01:53.30 | nvz | but hey, they probably caught a bunch of pervs wacking off when the werent suppose to, and sold some software |
| 01:53.42 | mickeyks | i just chamoflauge my porn by putting it in /usr/share/doc |
| 01:53.47 | greycat | haha |
| 01:54.01 | sussudio | !spell chamoflauge |
| 01:54.01 | dpkg | I can't find alternate spellings for 'chamoflauge' |
| 01:54.09 | greycat | !dict camouflage |
| 01:54.11 | dpkg | Dictionary 'camouflage' (3 shown; 5 total): device or stratagem for concealment or deceit ;; disguise by camouflaging; exploit the natural surroundings to disguise something; "The troops camoflaged themselves before they went into enemy territory" ;; the act of concealing the identity of something by modifying its appearance; "he is a master of disguise". |
| 01:54.20 | sussudio | another victory for the US school system |
| 01:54.32 | zakame | nvz: porn is as simple as http://www.google.com/search?q=allinurl:tgp+html |
| 01:54.35 | V01D | should i've chosed the extended kernel installation when debian asked me? |
| 01:54.37 | nvz | greycat: ah, so you're the reason my pc has been slowing down.. getting raiding my porn |
| 01:54.44 | nvz | zakame: na, www.booble.com |
| 01:54.51 | V01D | at nvidia.com the package needs 2.4 kernel |
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| 01:55.01 | greycat | V01D: and...? |
| 01:55.08 | greycat | !tell V01D about bf2.4 |
| 01:55.20 | mickeyks | sussudio: yeah, including my two writing-related degrees :) |
| 01:55.49 | mickeyks | actually i knew i was spelling it wrong but wasn't sure of the right way |
| 01:55.49 | nvz | zakame: I've aquired a recent interest in those tgps.. there is some killer strategy at play there.. the way you always end up seeing 600 tgps, and like 6 galleries, there is something to be learned from that kind of advertising |
| 01:55.56 | greycat | sussudio: I'm also a product of the US school system. Not the typical output, though, it seems. |
| 01:56.21 | zakame | nvz: yeah, the profits they rake just by sharing those tgps are awesome... |
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| 01:56.38 | nvz | zakame: well aside from learning that you can spend 5 hours with your sweaty meat in your hand waiting for something to pop up.. hah |
| 01:56.39 | sussudio | greycat: an anomaly |
| 01:56.46 | Emiml | the debian build of 2.6.7 was relased today, so maybe you havn't heard anything. But looks like they don't work with nvdia-crap |
| 01:57.07 | V01D | this is overwelming... |
| 01:57.11 | mickeyks | greycat: i wouldn't say i'm the typical output either. i just can't spell camouflage |
| 01:57.20 | zakame | Emiml: why? |
| 01:57.23 | V01D | thanx... i'll try some other time... |
| 01:57.26 | V01D | quit |
| 01:57.33 | zakame | nvz: ture ;) |
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| 01:58.08 | zakame | :s/ture/true/ |
| 01:58.13 | Emiml | zakame: I don't know I see only ascii-art when I'm trygin to run nvdida drivers on 2.6.7-1-k7 |
| 01:58.15 | LinuxJones | Evening !! |
| 01:58.28 | sussudio | ... |
| 01:58.34 | zakame | Emiml: did you get kernel-source-2.6.7? |
| 01:58.41 | nvz | zakame: I'm gonna fuck their shit up when I release a porn browser that eliminates the BS.. and makes a list of the tgps based on URL and HTML content, then stripps all links, and evaluates them to determine which sites the tgp is partnered with, and has actuall galleries to, then regenerates the TGP in a standard format with only real links ;) |
| 01:58.46 | directhex | which utility can perform maths based on stdin ? |
| 01:58.48 | ardy | Please Help: I've been haveing poor RAID performance (card:serveraid II kernel 2.6.6), I switched the volume from raid 5 to raid 0 and I recieved the same performance results from bonnie, what could the problem be? (I have 6 segate 80mb/sec sca drives) |
| 01:59.01 | directhex | nvz, have you used porn-get, debian users' tool of choice? |
| 01:59.15 | nvz | directhex: no I thought that was just a joke |
| 01:59.32 | greycat | directhex: bc |
| 01:59.33 | mickeyks | i like porn-cache search |
| 01:59.33 | LinuxJones | directhex, bash maybe ? |
| 01:59.36 | directhex | nvz, google it :/ |
| 01:59.45 | Emiml | zakame: no, I don't need sources if I use kernel-image, just kernel-headers |
| 01:59.47 | zakame | directhex: i have. pity noone packages it, it should be included in main/base :P |
| 01:59.49 | greycat | LinuxJones: bash's math is limited to integers only |
| 01:59.51 | Randy | ardy: first thing I want to know is what you're doing with 6 seagate sca drives.. |
| 02:00.02 | nvz | directhex: I have tried porn-view, but I cant remember what it was like.. gqview works good enough for me, and as long as you use a sane wm, its great for setting the background of the root window too |
| 02:00.10 | directhex | zakame, is it dfsg-free ? |
| 02:00.11 | zakame | nvz: that's a cool idea:D I'll work on that... |
| 02:00.18 | ardy | Randy: why? |
| 02:00.35 | Randy | ardy: you pet them and touch them? this is not how you use sca drives |
| 02:00.40 | zakame | directhex: should be ;P |
| 02:00.55 | mickeyks | porn-wise, i just want firefox to display the suicidegirls java windows a smaller size, and stick them to one corner of the screen |
| 02:00.57 | Randy | ardy: RTFM |
| 02:00.57 | greycat | !porn-get |
| 02:00.57 | dpkg | i heard porn-get is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
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| 02:01.04 | directhex | zakame, if it is, then i'll put you forward as a package maintainer |
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| 02:01.28 | zakame | Emiml: oic... you should just recompile nvidia-kernel-source instead... make-kpkg modules_image |
| 02:01.30 | ardy | Randy: haha... (whats RTFM)... I picked them up cheaply... |
| 02:01.53 | greycat | ardy: /msg dpkg RTFM |
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| 02:02.06 | w00b | how do i stop the gnome desktop manager from starting? i want the console to be the default way of logging in |
| 02:02.06 | nvz | zakame: it seems logical the way I think of it.. because like foo.com might have all galleries from bar.com and a those patterns can be noticed.. as wel as the fact that almost all tgps have absolute urls, like http://www.foo.com/ where as galleries are trying to be hidden using indescrete urls like http://www.bar.com/foo/bar1984/free/ |
| 02:02.10 | zakame | directhex: hehe :D then we'll need a huge co-maintainer base ;P |
| 02:02.13 | greycat | w00b: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 02:02.43 | zakame | nvz: yep, after seeing 100MB or so of those galleries at 56K, you will want to do that... |
| 02:02.51 | greycat | zakame: "Maintainer: The Porn Team <porn@debian.org>" |
| 02:03.01 | w00b | what is FN? |
| 02:03.04 | w00b | ctrl alt FN |
| 02:03.15 | greycat | w00b: a function key (F1, F2, etc.) |
| 02:03.19 | helix | w00b: like f8, f9 |
| 02:03.21 | w00b | aah |
| 02:03.26 | zakame | greycat: let's set it up at alioth ;P |
| 02:03.33 | w00b | k, cuz ctrl alt backspace wasnt cutting it |
| 02:03.34 | w00b | :( |
| 02:03.43 | voy1d | Is there anyway of taking my current debian install and restoring it to the point just prior tasksel/dselect in the install process without reinstalling? |
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| 02:04.12 | zakame | voy1d: base-config? |
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| 02:04.50 | voy1d | that will remove all packages since i've done the main install? |
| 02:05.13 | w00b | how do i set my default desktop manager? |
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| 02:05.28 | greycat | voy1d: no, it won't |
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| 02:05.45 | voy1d | i basically want to remove all packages installed since that point. |
| 02:05.50 | greycat | !nodm |
| 02:05.51 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 02:05.55 | greycat | w00b: edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 02:06.15 | w00b | oh |
| 02:06.23 | w00b | lol duh w00b :( |
| 02:07.00 | ardy | Randy: Ok So I Rewad about SCA a little more... but so what, I have external termination... |
| 02:07.08 | greycat | voy1d: maybe you just want to reinstall from scratch |
| 02:07.19 | [Outlaw] | My nVidia drivers are screwing everything up... when I start X the screen goes almost completely black with some flashing green bars |
| 02:07.26 | ardy | Randy: and I have the adapters that are rated at 20mb/sec... |
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| 02:07.43 | ardy | Randy: what are you implying? |
| 02:07.46 | voy1d | greycat: yeah its looking like it, to do it though i've got to go into town to a data centre to get physical access to the box =\ trying to do it remotely. |
| 02:07.57 | zakame | [Outlaw]: hehe, nvidia gotcha! |
| 02:08.18 | directhex | okay, using bash to do the maths kinda works, but it doesn't seem to do floating point at all. any better ideas? |
| 02:08.21 | tinton | I thing I screwed up my apt-get datase or some installation. |
| 02:08.24 | greycat | directhex: bc |
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| 02:08.27 | tinton | I now get only dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libgtk2.0-dev_2.4.3-1_powerpc.deb (--unpack): |
| 02:08.30 | tinton | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:08.40 | tinton | if I run apt-get -f install |
| 02:08.47 | greycat | tinton: dpkg -i --force-overwrite whatever.deb |
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| 02:09.36 | [Outlaw] | zakame: Any idea what causes it? Heh |
| 02:09.56 | [Outlaw] | I have another weird problem... when I turn on the TV with nvtv, and run a movie in xine, there's a blue bar underneath the picture... anyone seen this before? |
| 02:10.48 | zakame | [Outlaw]: did you tweak your XF86Config-4? |
| 02:10.56 | tvn | when run the command mount , I have it reported as my / is mounted under "unknown" - what does it mean ? /dev/hdc6 on / type unknown (rw) |
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| 02:11.09 | [Outlaw] | Tweaked? In what way? |
| 02:11.10 | greycat | wow, that's a neat trick |
| 02:11.12 | afaik | bah, I forget.. how do you check for the IPs of the computers attached to your computer? |
| 02:11.25 | afaik | or on the local network with it at least |
| 02:11.26 | greycat | afaik: netstat -an |
| 02:11.58 | [Outlaw] | zakame: Should I have something else in that file? |
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| 02:14.23 | zakame | tvn: that's nice ;P |
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| 02:16.12 | srbaker | i'm not getting any sound in totem |
| 02:16.15 | pabs3 | i've a problem with x: certain a-z keys don't work. i checked using the x event checker tool (xev), and the keycode wasn't being mapped to symbols. any ideas on where to start trying to fix this (debian sid)? |
| 02:16.21 | srbaker | poermissions, volume, and all of the obvious stuff has been checked |
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| 02:16.45 | greycat | pabs3: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 02:17.25 | ardy | Randy: The drives did not come with a manual ( I didn't buy them new), I read abou SCA drives and there differences but you probably know more, what about sca drives that make you wonder? |
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| 02:17.41 | [Outlaw] | Bleh, even with ACPI disabled it locks up |
| 02:17.41 | pabs3 | greycat: this is a new problem, x has be working fine for ages |
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| 02:17.59 | greycat | pabs3: what changed? |
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| 02:19.00 | directhex | can somebody with an IDE & 2.6 kernel system run a tiny script for me, to see if they successfully get any output? |
| 02:19.03 | pabs3 | upgraded x to the lates sid |
| 02:19.16 | Klebel | can debian support 200 gig hard drives? |
| 02:19.30 | pabs3 | greycat: i've reinstalled, reconfigured, all that |
| 02:19.54 | directhex | Klebel, that depends on 48bit LBA support in the kernel as well as your system BIOS |
| 02:19.57 | greycat | Klebel: that's a kernel issue, and the answer is "yes, in 2.4.21 and later" (or is it .20?) |
| 02:20.12 | tinton | greycat: That's a good one, but it doesn't let me do that because of other dependency problems. Should I just ignore dependencies? |
| 02:20.29 | greycat | tinton: that's generally unwise |
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| 02:20.33 | Wyzard | Does the "tdfx" X driver support 3D acceleration? |
| 02:20.33 | srbaker | audio_oss_out: Opening audio device... |
| 02:20.34 | srbaker | audio_oss_out: audio.oss_device_name = auto, probing devs |
| 02:20.34 | srbaker | audio_oss_out: using device >/dev/dsp3< |
| 02:20.35 | srbaker | wtf? |
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| 02:20.45 | Klebel | my bios sees the full 200 gigs |
| 02:20.46 | Wyzard | Or, how can I tell whether my X server is using hardware-accelerated 3D? |
| 02:20.53 | dasunt | How do I enter in the '1/2' and '1/4' characters under linux? |
| 02:20.56 | greycat | Wyzard: glxgears, etc. |
| 02:21.02 | dasunt | Wyzard: Try checking the logs. |
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| 02:21.04 | directhex | Wyzard, glxinfo | grep -i direct |
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| 02:21.11 | srbaker | *sigh* |
| 02:21.14 | greycat | ½ ¼ |
| 02:21.27 | tinton | greycat: cuz I was hoping after that unwise operation, I coudl reestablish equilibrium using apt-get -f install |
| 02:21.30 | greycat | dasunt: I used the <Compose> (a.k.a. <Multi_key>) trick |
| 02:21.41 | Wyzard | directhex: "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect" -- that's software, isn't it? |
| 02:21.47 | dasunt | Wyzard: "grep -i acc | XFree86.0.log" |
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| 02:22.09 | dasunt | Wyzard: I get a message like: (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled |
| 02:22.41 | Wyzard | I'm confused because it used to be hardware-accelerated (or at least, I got decent 3D framerates -- I hadn't checked with glxinfo) and now it's not, and I haven't changed anything besides doing a dist-upgrade |
| 02:23.01 | dasunt | greycat: Hmmm, so I have to hotkey that to a key on my keyboard then? |
| 02:23.13 | greycat | dasunt: /msg dpkg iso8859 |
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| 02:24.17 | [Outlaw] | Bleh, stupid fucking nVidia drivers |
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| 02:24.29 | zakame | hello again, cut off |
| 02:24.38 | dasunt | e'Thanks greycat. |
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| 02:25.00 | greycat | dasunt: specifically, I pressed <Compose><1><2> |
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| 02:26.01 | directhex | Wyzard, that's software. if you've updated your kernel or x, it might be out of synch. what card are you using? |
| 02:26.18 | afaik | hmmm.. any of you got IE atm? |
| 02:26.25 | afaik | I need to check my site out in IE |
| 02:26.33 | greycat | afaik: wrong channel. |
| 02:26.38 | Phated | afaik: Using IE now isn't the best idea, is it? |
| 02:26.42 | greycat | afaik: try #web or something |
| 02:26.50 | Wyzard | directhex: PCI Voodoo4... Debian sid, just upgraded to 2.6.7 but it didn't work under 2.6.6 either today, and did work under 2.6.6 in the past |
| 02:26.53 | cafuego | Phated: That's prolly why he wants people to look at it. |
| 02:27.01 | Phated | cafuego: Oh, yeah... |
| 02:27.03 | Wyzard | directhex: I'm using "tdfx" as my XFree86 driver |
| 02:27.06 | afaik | heh, true :D |
| 02:27.12 | cafuego | l33t h4xx0rz |
| 02:27.14 | dasunt | greycat: Okay, I'll do that next time I reboot. |
| 02:27.25 | directhex | Wyzard, i wouldn't know where to begn with getting a voodoo working |
| 02:27.55 | Wyzard | directhex: Oh well... thanks anyway |
| 02:28.06 | Wyzard | directhex: It's not really a big deal since the only GL I do on this system is the screensaver |
| 02:28.09 | cafuego | afaik: What site? |
| 02:28.23 | directhex | looks like my disk reporty thing works, as long as you have a 2.6 /proc to operate on. and sed & awk. |
| 02:28.49 | afaik | cafuego, http://www.goetc.net/index.php |
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| 02:29.05 | afaik | working it into standard compliant html with no tables :D |
| 02:29.15 | afaik | need to make sure it's not lookin like crap in IE |
| 02:29.29 | afaik | since that POS always throws spaces in everywhere |
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| 02:29.41 | cafuego | afaik: What sort of link you hosting that on? |
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| 02:29.52 | afaik | 512 I think |
| 02:29.54 | afaik | slow? |
| 02:30.01 | cafuego | Not the fastest, no. |
| 02:30.10 | tinton | greycat: OK, I fixed the problem running a dpkg --configure -a thanks. |
| 02:30.12 | cafuego | big background |
| 02:30.15 | afaik | the first load aint fast, but the css gets cached after that :D |
| 02:30.23 | [Outlaw] | I'll try an older version of the nVidia drivers |
| 02:30.27 | afaik | after the first load, the rest loads quite quickly |
| 02:30.42 | cafuego | Ok, it looks alright in Konquerror pretending to be IE5 on Win95 ;-) |
| 02:30.49 | afaik | nice :D |
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| 02:31.26 | cafuego | lemme just crap a laptop |
| 02:31.32 | cafuego | s/crap/grab/ |
| 02:31.32 | pabs3 | afaik: looks ok in links, apart from accessibility issues |
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| 02:32.07 | directhex | cafuego, sounds painfuk |
| 02:32.09 | directhex | *painful |
| 02:32.17 | ac1d | afaik, i _love_ the url |
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| 02:32.34 | ac1d | go-eh-tsee |
| 02:33.03 | greycat | goetc looks WAY too much like goatse for me. |
| 02:33.19 | ac1d | exactly |
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| 02:33.49 | afaik | greycat, lol |
| 02:33.53 | ac1d | hm |
| 02:33.59 | ac1d | i must buy goetx.cx |
| 02:34.00 | afaik | accessability issues? |
| 02:34.02 | ac1d | goetc* |
| 02:34.05 | tinton | how do I list all installed packages? |
| 02:34.05 | afaik | works fine in lynx |
| 02:34.09 | ac1d | afaik, firefox .8, fine |
| 02:34.20 | ac1d | well |
| 02:34.24 | afaik | in fact, I think that site looks damn good in lynx |
| 02:34.25 | ac1d | text is a bit garbled |
| 02:34.25 | greycat | tinton: FAQ |
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| 02:35.01 | ac1d | tinton, dpkg --get-selections \* >dpkg-selections.log |
| 02:35.12 | greycat | ac1d: you don't need the \* |
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| 02:35.21 | ac1d | really? |
| 02:35.26 | afaik | doesnt look garbled in lynx :D |
| 02:35.36 | ac1d | seriously though |
| 02:35.38 | ac1d | i love the url |
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| 02:35.45 | afaik | maybe the :: seperating the bullets for the menu, but thats it |
| 02:35.58 | pabs3 | afaik: one i can see is the menu being at the top of the page |
| 02:35.59 | afaik | ac1d: I may need to ask my boss to change it :D |
| 02:36.22 | afaik | pabs3, not a large menu though |
| 02:36.29 | pabs3 | y |
| 02:36.30 | cafuego | afaik: http://www.cafuego.net/ss/goetc.jpg |
| 02:36.47 | greycat | screen shots want to be .png |
| 02:37.03 | cafuego | greycat: Not on windows they don't. |
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| 02:37.24 | afaik | IT'S really that bad!? |
| 02:37.36 | afaik | or is that just a crappy screenshot? |
| 02:37.44 | cafuego | afaik: that's a full-screen 1024x768 laptop screenshot with IE on XP. |
| 02:37.49 | greycat | turning a screen shot into a .jpg is a lossy operation |
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| 02:38.09 | afaik | cafuego, does it look normal, or does it have all those issues with the broder? |
| 02:38.14 | cafuego | afaik: Cgecj the spacing, not the image quality. |
| 02:38.31 | cafuego | check |
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| 02:39.09 | afaik | the borders really look that fucked up? |
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| 02:40.23 | cafuego | afaik: If you say so, yes. |
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| 02:40.47 | Alster | how can i make ppd reconnect when the dial-in connection is dropped? |
| 02:40.52 | cafuego | Looks like IE isn't very happy with the alignment |
| 02:40.53 | afaik | I see the bottom border is missing on the two big boxes, and the left border is missing on the other |
| 02:40.55 | Alster | this used to work. i have no idea what i did to stop that |
| 02:40.57 | tinton | greycat: good idea. Thanks. |
| 02:41.01 | Alster | i'm using pppoe |
| 02:41.03 | cafuego | Alster: Set the 'persist' option. |
| 02:41.06 | afaik | oh, nm... |
| 02:41.14 | afaik | I forgot to magnify |
| 02:41.16 | tinton | ac1d: thanks. |
| 02:41.22 | Alster | cafuego, /etc/ppp/peers/options ? |
| 02:41.24 | afaik | looks right |
| 02:41.29 | cafuego | afaik: Yeah, I think so. |
| 02:41.34 | cafuego | Alster: Yea, I think so. |
| 02:41.36 | Alster | thanks |
| 02:41.41 | XmAn | WOuld anyone tell me please ? do i need a ALSA plugin for xmms on debian sarge to play Mp3 ? |
| 02:41.42 | afaik | I like how I did the image mouseovers for this... |
| 02:41.42 | cafuego | afaik: It looks different from Konq though. |
| 02:41.50 | afaik | no javascript :D |
| 02:42.01 | greycat | afaik: yeah, I noticed that, since I browse with javascript off. |
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| 02:42.25 | greycat | XmAn: only if you use ALSA. |
| 02:42.35 | cafuego | afaik: Firefox makes it look like Konq does. |
| 02:42.40 | XmAn | Right now in xmms Output plugin window,there are 2 plugins at all ->1 .OSS output driver 1.2.10. 2. Disk writer plugin 1.2.10 |
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| 02:42.50 | XmAn | greycat, Yes,i use ALSA |
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| 02:43.03 | afaik | ah, I need to install knoqueror, but looks fine to me in firefox 0.9 |
| 02:43.03 | greycat | XmAn: then you either need to tell XMMS to use ALSA, or enable the OSS emulation and tell XMMS to use OSS. |
| 02:43.06 | cafuego | afaik: And opera does something naughty |
| 02:44.02 | ac1d | np tinton |
| 02:44.24 | afaik | uh oh |
| 02:44.31 | afaik | I forgot about opera |
| 02:44.33 | XmAn | greycat, in kernel,sound section,i have added 2 things into kernel as built-in,one is sound support,another is intel i8xx onboard sound support,in dmesg,i see it reports it finds sound,and assign it the right IRQ/IO ,stuff like that |
| 02:45.06 | afaik | I'm gonna have to compress that image into png, reduce it's colormap |
| 02:45.07 | XmAn | I don't add OSS in kernel |
| 02:45.17 | afaik | that background is WAY too big |
| 02:45.27 | afaik | I don't understand what she was thinking picking that |
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| 02:46.09 | greycat | she was thinking "everyone's browser is just like mine including the window size"? :) |
| 02:46.31 | afaik | :\ |
| 02:46.46 | afaik | she always does... this site was horrible nested tables before I worked on it |
| 02:47.18 | afaik | converted it to tableless css today, but some of the tables remain :( |
| 02:47.31 | greycat | the background looks ok to me but my browser window is just a hair under 1000x1000 |
| 02:47.41 | cafuego | afaik: http:/www.cafuego.net/ss/goatc_[firefox,opera,konq].png |
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| 02:48.39 | XmAn | what is the name of the ALSA plug-in for xmms ? |
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| 02:49.03 | greycat | apt-cache search xmms alsa |
| 02:49.16 | XmAn | ok |
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| 02:49.48 | cafuego | afaik: That background is *half a meg* ! |
| 02:50.16 | greycat | cafuego: oh my god. |
| 02:50.20 | greycat | hahaha |
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| 02:50.35 | helix | oh my |
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| 02:50.42 | helix | w00b: don't do that |
| 02:50.52 | XmAn | It only found 'xmms' |
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| 02:51.08 | greycat | XmAn: then you're on sid. your XMMS has the ALSA plugin already. |
| 02:51.17 | greycat | (or sid's xmms got into sarge) |
| 02:51.23 | XmAn | I'm on sarge |
| 02:51.25 | w00b | dont do what? |
| 02:51.41 | greycat | XmAn: dpkg -L xmms | grep ALSA |
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| 02:51.46 | helix | w00b: announce the music you're listening to |
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| 02:51.54 | XmAn | But i do not see there is an ALSA output plug-in in xmms |
| 02:51.56 | w00b | :( |
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| 02:52.11 | XmAn | ok |
| 02:52.12 | helix | w00b: if it's a plugin, get rid of it |
| 02:52.14 | cafuego | w00b: 1) it's spam 2) it's annoying and 3) your taste in music is crap. |
| 02:52.14 | greycat | w00b: this channel's too busy; if everyone did stuff like that, we'd have no room left to gtalk |
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| 02:52.18 | greycat | s/gt/t/ |
| 02:52.35 | XmAn | dpkg -L xmms | grep ALSA |
| 02:52.36 | XmAn | /usr/lib/xmms/Output/libALSA.so |
| 02:52.36 | dpkg | ii xmms |
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| 02:52.50 | XmAn | hmm |
| 02:52.50 | greycat | XmAn: so you have the ALSA output plugin. |
| 02:53.08 | x|e | i have my sound card configured. i can play music in form of wav, mp3 etc... but it wont play from the cd drive.. any ideas on why? |
| 02:53.08 | cafuego | afaik: Which one of the bloggers are you? |
| 02:53.18 | XmAn | I see,now im confused,how to tell xmms use ALSA output plugin ? |
| 02:53.21 | cafuego | JC |
| 02:53.23 | cafuego | nm |
| 02:53.24 | [Outlaw] | When I load Gnome 2.6 on my laptop, that standard "X" mouse cursor appears in the middle of the window... anyone know how to stop that? |
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| 02:53.28 | greycat | x|e: that's not in the FAQ? It *should* be. |
| 02:53.29 | Phated | XmAn: Preferences. |
| 02:53.44 | x|e | greycat, well ive tried everything i could |
| 02:53.49 | x|e | next step was to ask |
| 02:53.57 | sgeigerbot | I have a partition (/var) that keeps running out of space, and I have looked for all the large files, but I don't have any large files that are filling it up. So it appears that I have a lot of little files filling it up, but I don't which ones or how to track this down. Any ideas? |
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| 02:54.20 | helix | senhor button! |
| 02:54.21 | greycat | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/AudioVideo#head-3a5ffcd5fab06ac6f651bbd7d1e3144be7daebd2 |
| 02:54.24 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 02:54.24 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of sex-crazed oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 02:54.25 | cafuego | x|e: You need to be in the cdrom group and possibly have a link, called /dev/cdrom pointing at the real cdrom device. |
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| 02:54.41 | x|e | yes it is cafuego |
| 02:54.48 | [Outlaw] | I'm not sure what's causing the black X cursor to appear... but if I log in with a nested window or something it's not there... |
| 02:54.49 | x|e | and i am in the cdrom group also |
| 02:54.51 | cafuego | x|e: Are you in that group too? |
| 02:54.52 | greycat | cafuego: or he needs to read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/AudioVideo#head-3a5ffcd5fab06ac6f651bbd7d1e3144be7daebd2 |
| 02:54.56 | x|e | the cd loads as to play |
| 02:54.59 | x|e | but no sound |
| 02:55.02 | cafuego | x|e: Did you logout and login after adding yourself to the group? |
| 02:55.03 | sussudio | hm sex-crazed oxen. aren't oxen "fixed" bulls? |
| 02:55.08 | x|e | yes cafuego |
| 02:55.13 | x|e | several times |
| 02:55.15 | greycat | x|e: do you have the obligatory cable from the CD-ROM drive to the audio card? |
| 02:55.19 | [Outlaw] | Anyone heard of this problem before? |
| 02:55.21 | cafuego | x|e: Are the volumes set to non-zero in alsa? |
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| 02:55.31 | greycat | sussudio: maybe that's why they're crazed |
| 02:55.31 | x|e | yes greycat |
| 02:55.38 | x|e | yes cafuego |
| 02:55.47 | greycat | oh, he's ALSA-poisoned? Good luck. |
| 02:55.49 | XmAn | Phated, In preferences window in xmms,Audio I/O plugin,output plugin,there are only 2 things,one is 'OSS Driver',another one is 'Disk writer plugin' |
| 02:55.55 | sussudio | :-B |
| 02:56.04 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: do you know? do you know? do you know? do you know? do you know? do you know? do you know? |
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| 02:56.18 | cafuego | x|e: is the 'CD Audio Player' input plugin enabled in xmms? |
| 02:56.27 | x|e | lol ALSA is the only one that has support for my card (free support anyways) |
| 02:56.31 | Phated | XmAn: Odd, if you have the plugin, it _should_ appear. |
| 02:56.45 | XmAn | hmm |
| 02:56.45 | cafuego | x|e: If it is enabled, are the settings for it correct? |
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| 02:56.55 | x|e | yes they are all correct ;) |
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| 02:57.00 | greycat | XmAn: type "type -a xmms" at a shell prompt... |
| 02:57.08 | XmAn | Phated, but i do have this thing -/usr/lib/xmms/Output/libALSA.so |
| 02:57.09 | x|e | infact ive tried all settings |
| 02:57.18 | Justin | alsa is not hard to get working at all, people do not seem to understand the concept of increasing volume |
| 02:57.18 | sgeigerbot | greycat: That's a recollection practically worth factoidizing. |
| 02:57.30 | Phated | XmAn: I think that's it. |
| 02:57.41 | greycat | Justin: if it's not hard, why is the howto 14 pages long? |
| 02:57.46 | directhex | does greycat honestly consider "modprobe emu10k1 && echo emu10k1 >> /etc/modules" to be the same as an alsa howto? as far as i'm concerned, "apt-get install alsa-base && alsaconf" on a 2.6 system to be comparatively simple, and far from lengthy |
| 02:57.50 | Justin | greycat: what howto? |
| 02:58.05 | XmAn | greycat,xmms is /usr/bin/xmms |
| 02:58.05 | Justin | greycat: the "how to compile from source and install on a shitty distribution" howto? |
| 02:58.05 | greycat | whatever howto I was reading when I wrote that comment |
| 02:58.11 | cafuego | directhex: apt-get install alsa-base discover, you mean? :-) |
| 02:58.12 | greycat | Justin: ah, that could be. |
| 02:58.35 | x|e | maybe i wait till my sound card has better support (stable) |
| 02:58.43 | directhex | cafuego, whatever, discover seems to be on by default on sarge |
| 02:58.54 | x|e | anyways thanks ;) |
| 02:59.07 | cafuego | directhex: Sid here just asked if I wanted to manage cdrom mountpoints with it |
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| 02:59.56 | greycat | griffon:~$ man alsa |
| 02:59.56 | greycat | No manual entry for alsa |
| 02:59.56 | XmAn | hmm |
| 02:59.59 | directhex | cafuego, sid, sarge, whatever. same difference. |
| 03:00.17 | greycat | Until *that* is fixed, Debian GNU/Linux, ALSA, and/or the Whole Fucking World is just wrong. |
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| 03:00.25 | directhex | okay, what's the error in my little script? for i in $(lspci | awk '{ print $1 }'); do printf "(%s:%s)\n" $(lspci -n | grep $i | awk '{ print $4 }') $(lspci | grep $i | awk 'BEGIN { FS = ": "} { print $2 }'); done; |
| 03:00.32 | directhex | directhex@drusilla:~$ man oss |
| 03:00.32 | directhex | No manual entry for oss |
| 03:00.40 | directhex | :o |
| 03:00.57 | XmAn | greycat, xmms is /usr/bin/xmms,meanwhile ALSA plug-in found in /usr/lib/xmms/Output/libALSA.so |
| 03:01.18 | srbaker | so totem is automagically detecting /dev/dsp3 |
| 03:01.21 | srbaker | when /dev/dsp is what i want |
| 03:01.22 | srbaker | *sigh* |
| 03:01.29 | Justin | srbaker: thats xine doing that |
| 03:01.36 | greycat | XmAn: hmm, ok. I was thinking maybe you had another xmms in /usr/local/bin or something. |
| 03:01.41 | srbaker | justin: ahh, how do i give it a hint? |
| 03:01.53 | XmAn | oh |
| 03:01.55 | srbaker | justin: one would guess that it would autodetect something more sane than dsp3, considering i have dsp and dsp2 |
| 03:02.08 | greycat | directhex: well, to be fair, "man -k alsa" does give alsaconf(8) among others |
| 03:02.10 | Justin | srbaker: for xine you just change audio.oss_device_number:1 |
| 03:02.15 | Justin | well, you want :) |
| 03:02.18 | srbaker | justin: where? |
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| 03:02.26 | Justin | try .xine/config, dunno if totem will pick that up |
| 03:02.28 | greycat | directhex: but that's only because I experimented with ALSA many many months ago |
| 03:02.42 | directhex | greycat, man -k oss only gives aoss, from alsa, as a sane result |
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| 03:02.59 | greycat | !linux man pages |
| 03:02.59 | dpkg | linux man pages are utterly shit, and you can't fix them even if you try. For example, see http://bugs.debian.org/111578 |
| 03:03.03 | tritium | among others, man -k oss gives XCrossingEvent :) |
| 03:03.03 | greycat | :) |
| 03:03.14 | Justin | greycat: /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/README.Debian |
| 03:03.14 | directhex | greycat, now screw sound drivers, why is my script b0rked? |
| 03:03.31 | XmAn | strange,in /usr/lib/xmms/Output,i see them all are there -libALSA.so libdisk_writer.so libesdout.so libOSS.so,but in xmms prefenrence window,output,there only has OSS and disk writer in the list :( |
| 03:03.52 | greycat | Justin: and is alsa-base in base? or are users just supposed to guess that they need to install this userspace thingy to use sound now? (For umpteen Linux years, it's always just been a single kernel module.) |
| 03:03.59 | greycat | !info alsa-base sarge |
| 03:04.01 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA sound driver common files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.5a-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 03:04.03 | Justin | though now discover will autoload stuff |
| 03:04.06 | greycat | optional. |
| 03:04.19 | Justin | yeah, I don't think you need it anymore, discover will do it |
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| 03:04.31 | mickeyks | !factoid linux man pages |
| 03:04.33 | Justin | about the only "config" type thing was having oss emulation on or off |
| 03:04.38 | greycat | mickeyks: factinfo |
| 03:04.42 | mickeyks | oh |
| 03:04.47 | mickeyks | !factinfo linux man pages |
| 03:04.47 | dpkg | linux man pages -- created by greycat <~wooledg@192.35.79.70> at Wed Jul 23 20:05:40 2003 (345 days); it has been requested 28 times, last by greycat, 1m 49s ago. |
| 03:04.51 | mickeyks | nice |
| 03:05.01 | greycat | mickeyks: and yes, that's *my* bug report. |
| 03:05.02 | greycat | !man find |
| 03:05.03 | dpkg | EXAMPLES: "find . -type f -name core -print" print all files named "core" recursivesly from `pwd`. "find /usr -type f -perm +6000 -print | xargs ls -l" show all setuid/setgid programs under /usr. "find / -xdev -size +100k -print | xargs ls -l" show all files >100kB in root fs. |
| 03:05.17 | dan2 | !man units |
| 03:05.18 | pabs3 | w00t, fixed my keyboard! - lotsa files missing from /etc/X11/xkb/ |
| 03:06.02 | Justin | ah, I forgot to send in the patch for find to support M |
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| 03:06.16 | Justin | find: invalid -size type `m' |
| 03:06.48 | Justin | also forgot to install it locally, doh |
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| 03:07.51 | mith | !mplayer |
| 03:07.55 | mith | oh c'mon |
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| 03:08.05 | anthill | anyone know what the package name for rar is? |
| 03:08.06 | mith | unblock me from the damned bots already =( |
| 03:08.11 | mith | anthill: unrar |
| 03:08.21 | anthill | thanks |
| 03:08.21 | mickeyks | greycat: interesting. have you ever successfuly patched a man page? |
| 03:08.29 | mith | anthill: and rar |
| 03:08.39 | anthill | hmm |
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| 03:08.50 | mith | someone make dpkg tell me about mplayer |
| 03:09.00 | greycat | mickeyks: I stopped trying after that one. |
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| 03:09.04 | anthill | E: Package unrar has no installation candidate |
| 03:09.12 | mickeyks | mith: just msg it |
| 03:09.15 | mith | anthill: make sure you have non-free and contrib in your sources |
| 03:09.19 | mith | mickeyks: it wont answer me. |
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| 03:09.24 | greycat | mickeyks: but a very long time ago there was a call for volunteers to write some missing man pages, and I did the one for civctp(6) |
| 03:09.36 | anthill | aight |
| 03:09.37 | anthill | cool |
| 03:09.38 | mith | civctp? |
| 03:09.42 | mith | is that part of freeciv? |
| 03:09.52 | greycat | Loki's port of Civilization: Call to Power. Debian installer-package. |
| 03:09.59 | mith | haha |
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| 03:11.05 | mickeyks | greycat: is that missing manpage project still going on? or does conventional wisdom say that instead of rewriting a man page, you just write a howto? |
| 03:11.34 | greycat | mickeyks: the intentional mangling of man pages seems to be a GNU feature |
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| 03:11.57 | AMD_ | I've got a Westell 2200 DSL Modem (with built in router/pppoe capabilities). I want to have my lan still go through my linux firewall to get to the net. What's the best way to do this ? |
| 03:12.02 | greycat | since find(1) is a GNU tool, it's not allowed to have a man page that could potentially be better than the info page. |
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| 03:12.09 | HEMI | Anyone installed on Alpha before? I'm having some fdisk issues and could use a hand. |
| 03:12.19 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.21 | emRick | is it possible to view images or play audio files on the linux console? or is image/audio capabilities bound to the window system? |
| 03:12.35 | emRick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:12.54 | greycat | emRick: it's independent of X or any other video system |
| 03:13.04 | XmAn | Do i need ALSA lib and utilities to installl by then i can see ALSA plugin in xmms and use it ? |
| 03:13.07 | greycat | emRick: oh wait, you asked TWO questions at once. |
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| 03:13.12 | mickeyks | greycat: i think in a perfect world, decisions about man pages would not be made by the developer/maintainer. after all, it's probably their fault that a better man page is needed. |
| 03:13.16 | directhex | emRick, music is _fine_ on the console, images may depend on certain graphics card features to be enabled in the console |
| 03:13.19 | greycat | emRick: SOUND is independent of X or any other video system |
| 03:13.19 | TimbrWolf | emRick : you can listen to audio in the console with 'workbone' |
| 03:13.39 | AMD_ | should i just set the westell 2200 in bridge mode...put 2 nicks in the firewall, connect the dsl modem to one of the nicks, and then run the roaring penguin pppoe stuff? |
| 03:13.45 | greycat | TimbrWolf: or ogg123/mpg321 |
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| 03:13.51 | TimbrWolf | there are other programs, but this is what I use :-) |
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| 03:15.05 | mickeyks | this is my rifle. there are many like it, but this one is mine. |
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| 03:15.31 | mith | umm, I wasn't kidding, someone !tell mith about mplayer |
| 03:15.37 | mith | !mplayer |
| 03:15.41 | mwilson | mickeyks: Good evening. |
| 03:15.58 | mickeyks | hey mwilson, what's happening |
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| 03:16.22 | mwilson | mickeyks: Not much... just cleaning up files. |
| 03:16.37 | pir4 | i need to set up lirc, anyone use it on Debian ? i want to change channels with remote control |
| 03:16.40 | greycat | mith: /msg apt mplayer |
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| 03:18.45 | emRick | when I try "mpg321" on the linux console, I hear nothing. but I hear something while running from the X server. does this mean that the X server is setting up something that the linux console isn't setting up? |
| 03:19.12 | greycat | emRick: what error did it give you? What else has /dev/dsp open? |
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| 03:19.31 | mith | greycat: whoah, apt listens to me now, yaye |
| 03:19.32 | jeffreyb | Need some help... compiling a kernel... make-kpkg step works fine... install kernel.deb works fine... but booting to it recives kernel panic... I look in grub/menu.lst and no initrd is referenced for the new kernel... any ideas? |
| 03:19.38 | Phated | emRick: You need to use a filename or playlist as an argument for it to play. |
| 03:19.55 | mwilson | jeffreyb: Does the kernel you built REQUIRE an initrd? |
| 03:20.09 | mickeyks | mwilson: do you know why PATH is re-established in .procmailrc files? why can't procmail just inherit the environment variable? |
| 03:20.14 | XmAn | help, my ALSA doesnt work,i try #alsa nobody answers |
| 03:20.17 | emRick | greycat: I get no error other than no sound. and when I hit ctrl-c, mpg321 reports that it had decoded 20 seconds (or whatever) of the file. |
| 03:20.29 | greycat | emRick: try aumix, then |
| 03:20.41 | Alster | XmAn, please be a bit less specific |
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| 03:20.46 | XmAn | Can anyone tell me why i don't have ALSA plugin listed in xmms output window ? |
| 03:21.11 | XmAn | Alster, Hi |
| 03:21.11 | jeffreyb | mwilson: My original kernel has the initrd line... I used its .config file to build new kernel... |
| 03:21.11 | mwilson | mickeyks: I have no idea why procmail does it, I just path to what I want if it's not on it. |
| 03:21.11 | emRick | greycat: You did it! the volumes were too low! |
| 03:21.22 | greycat | XmAn: what version does the OSS plugin claim to be? |
| 03:21.32 | LakersFan | do any of you have any idea why my display in X looks like shit through a KVM but in windows through the SAME KVM there are no flickers? I'm using a viewsonic va720 lcd. |
| 03:21.33 | XmAn | Alster, I do not have an ALSA thing in the output plugin window in xmms,and i have selected adding ALSA support in kernel already |
| 03:21.43 | mwilson | mickeyks: I imagine in that way you guarantee a particular configuration. Sudo does the same thing. |
| 03:21.50 | mwilson | mickeyks: So does cron. |
| 03:21.52 | Alster | XmAn, can't help you as I don't know, sorry. hopefully greycat can |
| 03:22.06 | mickeyks | hm ok |
| 03:22.25 | XmAn | greycat, there 2 things have same version ,OSS -1.2.10, dist writer -1.2.10 |
| 03:22.41 | XmAn | Alster, ok |
| 03:22.52 | greycat | XmAn: I have ALSA, esound, disk writer, OSS. 1.2.10 also. |
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| 03:23.14 | greycat | XmAn: what are the perms on the output plugins? maybe one of them's screwed up...? |
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| 03:24.02 | greycat | XmAn: ls -l /usr/lib/xmms/Output/libALSA.so |
| 03:24.15 | XmAn | strange,i dont have ASLA there,but i can see alsa.o in the same place with OSS and disk writer plugin in /usr/lib/xmms/Output |
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| 03:24.32 | greycat | alsa.o?? |
| 03:24.38 | Sir | Hi my ISP is blocking port 80..I know theyre blocking it because I changed the server port to port 81 and it worked. Any way around it? Im using dyndns.org. Can I make it so that the user can simply put in the dyndns url without a port number? |
| 03:24.42 | XmAn | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 43304 2004-02-24 10:46 /usr/lib/xmms/Output/libALSA.so |
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| 03:25.01 | greycat | Sir: no, they will have to put the :81 |
| 03:25.11 | mwilson | Sir: And your TOS says...? |
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| 03:25.30 | Sir | tos says nothing |
| 03:25.38 | Sir | I read it and they said its ok to run servers |
| 03:25.38 | greycat | Sir: then complain to your ISP |
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| 03:26.08 | Tweak | is there anyone here that know a good amount about munin, and to have more then one node talking to the posting server? |
| 03:26.12 | greycat | XmAn: if you run xmms from the shell prompt in an xterm (or equiv.) is there any error? |
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| 03:26.55 | Justin | XmAn: what does ls -l /usr/bin/xmms say |
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| 03:27.31 | Sir | when they block port 80, do they block all programs that can use that port? |
| 03:27.49 | Guerin | Sir: they block the port. That means everything. |
| 03:27.53 | Sir | ok then |
| 03:27.53 | greycat | Sir: that's officially a dumb question. |
| 03:28.05 | Optheron | How many partitions and how big do I need to install debian? |
| 03:28.09 | Guerin | Sir: how can they only block SOME apps on your computer? How would they know? |
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| 03:28.29 | Sir | easy, write a program that monitors the traffic coming from that port and only block http requests |
| 03:28.53 | sgeigerbot | Sir: Are you sure you don't have a virus? Perhaps you should try rebooting, reinstalling, doing the hokey-pokey and turn yoruself about.... There's always RedHat (rpm -iVh AOL.rpm). |
| 03:28.55 | Guerin | Sir: that's not apps, that's types of traffic |
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| 03:29.32 | greycat | Optheron: just one, and probably at least 200 MB for a BARE BONES install. |
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| 03:29.38 | sgeigerbot | Sir: the programs can run, but no traffic can pass over the network to them... |
| 03:29.41 | greycat | Optheron: for a comfortable workstation, about a gigabyte |
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| 03:29.57 | Sir | there is a firewall available that monitors for certain kinds of traffic (no matter what port)...I remember stumbling across it...forgot the name once |
| 03:30.06 | Phated | Optheron: That's not including swap space. |
| 03:30.20 | Justin | Sir: layer 7 stuffs |
| 03:30.24 | sgeigerbot | Sir: ;-) dude, there are many such firewalls.. |
| 03:30.37 | Lucky_1100 | can someone report me md5sum of ps i suspect LKM trojan |
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| 03:30.59 | sgeigerbot | Lucky_1100: probably you want to specify which version you are using... |
| 03:31.06 | Lucky_1100 | mom |
| 03:31.13 | Guerin | Lucky_1100: chkrootkit can help, here |
| 03:31.44 | mickeyks | what's a good font to use for a "black text on white background" situation? |
| 03:31.48 | Tweak | does anyone here know a little about munin? |
| 03:31.49 | Justin | iptables can do that with string matching, and there is a project that has a string/regex database for it |
| 03:31.53 | pir4 | I WANNA FUCK BEAVIS, I WANNA FUCK! LEMME FUCK YOU, I NEED A HOLE!!! |
| 03:31.54 | Guerin | mickeyks: any one will do |
| 03:31.55 | Tweak | and or rrd tool? |
| 03:32.05 | greycat | Tweak: what do you want to know? |
| 03:32.10 | Justin | pir4: isn't beavis a boy? what kind of hole are you looking for? |
| 03:32.11 | Guerin | !meepsmite pir4 |
| 03:32.17 | sgeigerbot | Lucky_1100: type "debsums procps" |
| 03:32.27 | XmAn | greycat, libesd.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:32.27 | XmAn | libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:32.31 | Lucky_1100 | yes i run chkrootkit, tiger aso. and it reports me 3 hidden processes |
| 03:32.32 | Tweak | greycat how to get my munin node to talk to the server hosting the stats. |
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| 03:32.35 | XmAn | libmikmod.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:32.35 | mickeyks | Guerin: i'm looking for an aesthetically good choice...similarly, maybe i shouldn't be using full-on white, but some less glaring version of white |
| 03:32.37 | greycat | XmAn: that looks very significant. |
| 03:32.46 | greycat | XmAn: try installing libasound2 or whatever |
| 03:32.47 | XmAn | libvorbis.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:32.49 | pir4 | justin ANY HOLE BEAVIS, ANY, I WANNA FUCK, I NEED TO FUCK, ACTUALLY, IM A FUCKER |
| 03:32.50 | Guerin | mickeyks: what do YOU mean by aesthetically good? |
| 03:32.53 | XmAn | that's all |
| 03:32.56 | greycat | XmAn: no vorbis??? You HEATHEN! |
| 03:32.59 | Guerin | pir4: bye bye |
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| 03:33.02 | sgeigerbot | Lucky_1100: ...although, I cannot attest to having a lot of confidence that debsums coudln't be fooled with a faked checksum... |
| 03:33.05 | *** kick/#debian [pir4!rfc1413@wooledge.org] by greycat (greycat) |
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| 03:33.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 03:33.17 | spock_ | im trying to use the test 1 installer, and im trying to partition, but im not getting an option for SWAP, any ideas on what its under? |
| 03:33.21 | Phated | XmAn: I concur. |
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| 03:33.36 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Are DVD players which can play MP3 files usually able to play oggs as well? |
| 03:33.42 | mickeyks | Guerin: i mean the .xtermrc in plato's world of forms |
| 03:33.44 | greycat | sgeigerbot: I'd imagine not. |
| 03:33.55 | sgeigerbot | greycat: that's what I was thinking |
| 03:34.04 | Lucky_1100 | ansgeigerbot any better idea about how to identify ? |
| 03:34.05 | Guerin | mickeyks: bitstream vera mono |
| 03:34.05 | greycat | spock_: make a partition, change it to type "82" |
| 03:34.19 | sgeigerbot | greycat: This makes a good case for embedded linux in things like DVD players |
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| 03:34.30 | spock_ | greycat: the test installer doesnt use cfdisk |
| 03:34.49 | greycat | spock_: then ask #debian-boot |
| 03:34.50 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: some have uploadable firmware, and new firmwares can provide new codecs |
| 03:34.53 | Tweak | greycat how to get my munin node to talk to the server hosting the stats. |
| 03:34.53 | pir4 | plz plz i need help with lirc, how can i get it to work in kernel 2.6.6 ? |
| 03:34.54 | Phated | sgeigerbot: Doesn't everything make a good case for embedded Linux in almost anything? ;) |
| 03:34.57 | spock_ | thanks greycat |
| 03:34.59 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: so I'm told, anyway |
| 03:35.09 | Guerin | !fgi pir4 |
| 03:35.10 | dpkg | pir4: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 03:35.16 | greycat | Tweak: that sounds very unrelated to rrdtool :-( |
| 03:35.16 | Guerin | pir4: nobody NEEDS lirc |
| 03:35.18 | Justin | sgeigerbot: the KISS dvd player might be able to |
| 03:35.22 | sgeigerbot | Lucky_1100: apt-get install --download-only procps; dpkg -i procps |
| 03:35.30 | Tweak | grrycat munin uses rrdtool I thought? |
| 03:35.34 | Tweak | am I completly wrong? |
| 03:35.43 | greycat | Tweak: I don't have a fucking *clue* what a munin is. |
| 03:35.46 | sgeigerbot | Justin: Who makes that? |
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| 03:35.53 | Tweak | oh ... |
| 03:35.58 | Tweak | its quite nice |
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| 03:36.01 | greycat | Tweak: rrdtool is just a data storage and retrieval and graphing tool |
| 03:36.08 | Lucky_1100 | i will try cause ps -v reports bogus |
| 03:36.23 | Tweak | yeah greycat this is munin http://69.64.171.193/munin/ |
| 03:36.29 | sgeigerbot | Justin: KISS does, apparently...according to google. I thought that sounded like a bogus name. |
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| 03:36.57 | Guerin | Lucky_1100: if chkrootkit shows hidden proocesses, I'd suggest nuking your box and restoring from known-good backups |
| 03:37.09 | Guerin | Lucky_1100: better safe than sorry, right? |
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| 03:37.10 | mickeyks | Guerin: '-fn bitstream vera mono'? |
| 03:37.18 | greycat | Tweak: so... it's like a CGI front-end to rrdtool? |
| 03:37.31 | Guerin | mickeyks: I use -fa "bitstream vera mono" |
| 03:37.36 | kai72 | I need to copy files from one ntfs partition to another on a machine with no working OS and no place to install one. I guess I'd like to do this via floppy if possible... is it? |
| 03:37.42 | Tweak | greycat :0) I guess |
| 03:37.44 | Guerin | mickeyks: antialiasing is nice |
| 03:38.03 | mickeyks | Guerin: i don't understand what it is |
| 03:38.07 | Tweak | greycat how do I get rddtool (node) I think to talk to the main server? |
| 03:38.12 | Tweak | on a differnt machine? |
| 03:38.16 | Guerin | !fgi mickeyks |
| 03:38.16 | dpkg | mickeyks: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 03:38.24 | kai72 | gay ass acronyms |
| 03:38.27 | kai72 | gaa! |
| 03:38.28 | greycat | Tweak: rrdtool just reads and writes normal files. It's not "networked". |
| 03:38.33 | greycat | Tweak: you could use NFS or whatever |
| 03:38.35 | Tweak | hmm... |
| 03:38.37 | Guerin | !gay |
| 03:38.37 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 03:38.46 | kai72 | gay |
| 03:38.46 | Tweak | ok sorry to bother you greycat |
| 03:38.51 | Tweak | anybody here know a lot about munin? |
| 03:39.05 | greycat | Tweak: does it have a mailing list? |
| 03:39.10 | Lucky_1100 | Guerin right but no easy way |
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| 03:39.15 | mickeyks | Guerin: yeah, i have. i will either go forever without knowing, come across a good text by coincidence, or someone will tell me. |
| 03:39.17 | Tweak | ummmm mmm m m m m mmaybe |
| 03:39.33 | Hamled|Erp | my god, my laptop has been installing the tasksel selected packages (505MB) for the past 2-3 hours :P |
| 03:39.38 | Guerin | Lucky_1100: remote box? |
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| 03:40.18 | Lucky_1100 | nope my work laptop were i put kanotix on a free partition for my own fun |
| 03:40.29 | Guerin | !be kanotix barbie |
| 03:40.29 | dpkg | A live CD based on SID/Experimental? Fuck me HARDer! Bring on the n00bs! |
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| 03:40.40 | Analyser | to install a patch, i need all the more oldest patchs? |
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| 03:40.53 | Guerin | Lucky_1100: so nuke the partition and start over |
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| 03:41.20 | davis | hello |
| 03:41.35 | Guerin | Analyser: generally, a patch ackage should contain everything it relies on, or tell you just what else you need and where to get it |
| 03:41.56 | Analyser | Guerin: ok, thanks! |
| 03:42.03 | davis | i can ssh from host to host and auto login with .ssh/authrozied_keys using normal login. Can I do the same with a root id? |
| 03:42.17 | Guerin | davis: sure |
| 03:42.19 | greycat | davis: yes |
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| 03:42.36 | davis | hello greycat. long time no see. |
| 03:42.48 | sgeigerbot | davis: if you are having trouble doing it, it's perhaps because of the server's config |
| 03:42.57 | davis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:43.13 | sgeigerbot | davis: did you restart the ssh server |
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| 03:44.33 | xerophyte | hwo can i find out what file system is my hard-drive is formated with |
| 03:44.36 | nvz | davis: why could you possibly need/want to allow root logins? |
| 03:44.42 | greycat | xerophyte: mount it |
| 03:44.48 | greycat | xerophyte: or "file - < /dev/whatever" |
| 03:45.02 | skate | hi, i'm trying to compile a program that needs ncurses, but apt-get is saying ncurses has no installation candidate |
| 03:45.11 | skate | can anyone point me in the right direction to get ncurses installed? |
| 03:45.16 | nvz | skate: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 03:45.22 | skate | ahhh ty |
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| 03:45.35 | nvz | skate: apt-cache search ncurses |
| 03:45.44 | davis | i need to rsync backups. |
| 03:45.48 | skate | for some reason the gnu.org http is refusing my connection |
| 03:45.51 | nvz | skate: apt-cache works with your package cache, so learn to use it |
| 03:46.04 | skate | yeah, i did apt-cache search |
| 03:46.21 | nvz | davis: hmm.. seems like you could use a better backup plan, but hey at least you got one |
| 03:46.35 | sgeigerbot | xerophyte: Do as greycat said. Or, if you want to install a small program like "di" you can find out that way, too. |
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| 03:46.43 | xerophyte | greycat, cat file - </dev/hdb didnt answer me |
| 03:47.23 | greycat | xerophyte: huh? where did you get that "cat"? |
| 03:47.30 | xerophyte | greycat, file - </dev/hdb1 |
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| 03:47.38 | sgeigerbot | xerophyte: "sudo apt-get install di; di" |
| 03:47.40 | w00b | how do i see my kernel version? |
| 03:47.45 | nvz | skate: most programming libraries are prefiext with lib so that when organized with many other packages they can be distinguished easier.. and the files for compiling are usually postfixed with -dev |
| 03:47.46 | sgeigerbot | w00b: uname |
| 03:47.55 | greycat | griffon:~$ sudo sh -c 'file - < /dev/hda1' |
| 03:47.56 | greycat | Password: |
| 03:47.56 | greycat | /dev/stdin: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x52, OEM-ID "NTFS ", sectors/cluster 8, reserved sectors 0, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 63, dos < 4.0 BootSector (0x80) |
| 03:47.57 | xerophyte | greycat, that works |
| 03:48.04 | skate | ok |
| 03:48.11 | xerophyte | greycat, thanks i missed the drive partion id |
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| 03:48.31 | nvz | skate: also there is packages.debian.org, apt-file, and the #debian-bots (bots in this channel) which can help |
| 03:48.41 | skate | well i just grabbed that, and i still get this when trying to ./configure: You need a decent ncurses (called curses on OpenBSD) library! |
| 03:48.42 | greycat | that's some funny-looking magic |
| 03:48.52 | greycat | skate: libncurses5-dev |
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| 03:49.04 | skate | i just grabbed that |
| 03:49.08 | skate | Setting up libncursesw5-dev (5.2.20020112a-7) ... |
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| 03:49.15 | greycat | skate: rm config.cache && ./configure |
| 03:49.17 | skate | still get the error |
| 03:49.22 | skate | ah ok ty |
| 03:49.29 | prologic | What does "tcsetattr: Invalid argument (line 963)" mean ? I keep getting that error in my ppp logs when starting PPP over a serial line (SLIP). |
| 03:49.54 | mith | what's the name of the package with the 2.6 modules stuff |
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| 03:50.05 | greycat | mith: module-init-tools |
| 03:50.20 | sgeigerbot | xerophyte: the word "file" is a command |
| 03:50.27 | sgeigerbot | ...in greycat's example |
| 03:50.37 | mickeyks | and in the world of temping |
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| 03:50.44 | sgeigerbot | Ooh mickeyks, you're so fine. You're so fine, you blow my mind. Hey, mickeyks! Hey, mickeyks! |
| 03:50.51 | greycat | heh |
| 03:50.54 | skate | ok i removed config.cache, still getting same error =\ |
| 03:51.03 | simonrvn | haha |
| 03:51.05 | greycat | skate: read config.log and find out what's broken |
| 03:51.09 | skate | ok |
| 03:51.26 | simonrvn | greycat: hiya. doing well tonight? |
| 03:51.34 | greycat | simonrvn: been worse |
| 03:51.44 | simonrvn | that's cool |
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| 03:52.19 | mickeyks | good movie |
| 03:52.31 | mwilson | Oh, yippee... new module-init-tools. What's broken this time? |
| 03:52.31 | sgeigerbot | nvz: 404 Error: Understanding Not Found |
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| 03:52.36 | skate | lots of lines saying: No such file or directory next to "ncurses" |
| 03:52.44 | nvz | not really but Elisha is hot |
| 03:52.45 | skate | did it not install properly? |
| 03:53.00 | mickeyks | nvz: you mean Eliza? |
| 03:53.08 | nvz | sgeigerbot: well I guess you havent seen the movie |
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| 03:53.21 | Guerin | life's too short to watch shit movies |
| 03:53.25 | nvz | mickeyks: yeah I usually look at her tits on the pics not her name ;) |
| 03:53.29 | mickeyks | it's a good movie though |
| 03:53.36 | Guerin | ... was the logo of my local vid store when I was at film school |
| 03:53.45 | mickeyks | although that song is like 10 years older than the movie |
| 03:53.46 | mickeyks | maybe more |
| 03:53.51 | bbmj_ | what movie? |
| 03:53.55 | mickeyks | Bring it On |
| 03:53.58 | nvz | yeah I know about the song |
| 03:54.37 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Hey, run this: "df -T" |
| 03:54.42 | bbmj_ | any nfs gurus in tonight? can someone point me in the right direction? i get great d/l speed like 110 Mb/s but only 3 Mb/s on uploads. i have the wsize and rsize both set at 8192. any ideas? i have samba running as well with good upstream and down. |
| 03:54.43 | mickeyks | nvz: well it's an important distinction. you don't want to mix her up with Elisha Cuthbert |
| 03:54.57 | tvon | Is vim known to be busted in Sid? Anyone using it with a current system? |
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| 03:55.18 | Guerin | tvon: check the BTS, but I HIGHLY doubt it |
| 03:55.20 | nvz | mickeyks: yeah I got the movie here somewhere I could have looked, but I didnt care that much |
| 03:55.25 | graeme | Details: Recently upgraded to 2.6 kernel, scanner device shows up properly in /proc/bus/usb/devices, but xsane can't see it at all? do i need to load a kernel module to do such things? |
| 03:55.47 | tvon | Guerin, yeah, I didnt see anything filed recently...however mine cant seem to find the VIMRUNTIME or whatever the home is called |
| 03:55.48 | tvon | hrm |
| 03:55.57 | mickeyks | nvz: you obviously hadn't been watching her on buffy for years when the movie came out |
| 03:56.07 | tvon | :h doesnt even work...dangit |
| 03:56.14 | Guerin | tvon: I think a fuckup in vim would be fixed with all swiftness |
| 03:56.24 | nvz | mickeyks: I didnt know she was on buffy, I thought that was Sarah-Michelle |
| 03:56.32 | Phated | nvz: She was Faith. |
| 03:56.38 | mwilson | graeme: Just because a scanner shows up as a USB device doesn't mean SANE can talk to it. Also, under 2.6, USB scanners need libusb. |
| 03:56.43 | mickeyks | nvz: yeah...more than one character on the show |
| 03:56.49 | Phated | Not Sarah-Michelle, she was Buffy. |
| 03:56.53 | Phated | mickeyks: Yep. :) |
| 03:56.56 | Guerin | word, can we stop talking about airhead actress chicks? |
| 03:57.05 | mickeyks | the anti-slayer |
| 03:57.10 | Phated | Guerin: Why? Competition? Hehe. ;) |
| 03:57.11 | mickeyks | Eliza is not an airhead |
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| 03:57.29 | Guerin | mickeyks: irrelevant |
| 03:57.30 | w00b | pornview - image and movie viewer/manager |
| 03:57.31 | nvz | who cares whats in her head, lets focus on whats important, tities |
| 03:57.31 | w00b | lol |
| 03:57.31 | Phated | But anyways, it is fairly off-topic. |
| 03:57.40 | mickeyks | Guerin: not to me, and i guess i'm here too |
| 03:57.40 | graeme | mwilson, libusb is good'n' ready. |
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| 03:57.43 | Phated | nvz: More to a woman that tits. |
| 03:57.50 | Guerin | nvz: take it to #hormonal-pubescent-fucktards |
| 03:57.53 | sgeigerbot | I have a partition (/var) that keeps running out of space, and I have looked for all the large files, but I don't have any large files that are filling it up. So it appears that I have a lot of little files filling it up, but I don't which ones or how to track this down. Can anyone help me figure this out? |
| 03:57.57 | nvz | Phated: not an air-headed actress as he put it |
| 03:57.59 | mwilson | Lots of changes to aptitude, but still no acknowlegement of its fundamental bugs. |
| 03:58.03 | mwilson | Amazing. |
| 03:58.18 | Guerin | mwilson: the status handling still not fixed? |
| 03:58.19 | Phated | nvz: Nevertheless, there's more to her than tits. |
| 03:58.22 | nvz | Phated: we arent talking about women, these are celebrities, they sold thier souls |
| 03:58.37 | Guerin | nvz: you have no fucking idea |
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| 03:58.48 | mickeyks | nvz: why does the fact that they're celebrities mean they've sold their souls? |
| 03:58.51 | mwilson | Guerin: No, nor the difference in behavior between command-line and ncurses use. |
| 03:59.07 | nvz | to be immortalized by other peoples ignorant interpretations of their charecter |
| 03:59.11 | graeme | thanks nvx, yer a prince. |
| 03:59.12 | Guerin | nvz: ever worked with actors? Ever worked on a TV or film set? Have any idea the work which goes into an episode of any commercial show, no matter how lame? |
| 03:59.39 | Phated | Guerin: Chill, man. |
| 03:59.42 | Guerin | mwilson: damn. |
| 03:59.43 | mickeyks | nvz: you're not even remotely close to having a vague clue |
| 03:59.55 | nvz | i am not saying they are stupid or worthless, I am saying when you become famous you are becomming someones little cult object |
| 04:00.12 | Phated | nvz: Might as well not be Torvalds then, eh? |
| 04:00.12 | mickeyks | nvz: it doesn't mean you're selling your soul |
| 04:00.14 | nvz | some little 14 year old girl is hanging your pictures on her wall |
| 04:00.16 | Guerin | nvz: no. |
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| 04:00.35 | mwilson | ahhh, sound in pysol again. :) |
| 04:00.35 | Phated | nvz: Everyone needs an idol, and if you don't, well, bully for you. |
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| 04:01.12 | w00b | my idol is britney spears because she is good with Debian ;-) |
| 04:01.18 | Guerin | nvz: there's a difference between idolatry and respect. Respect is what performers want. Most of them settle for idolatry. |
| 04:01.22 | Phated | Besides, 14-year old's hanging your pictures in their room's better than having guys look at nothing but your boobs. |
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| 04:01.26 | nvz | w00b: heh, hjow do you figure? |
| 04:01.29 | greycat | w00b: and semiconductor physics |
| 04:01.38 | w00b | lol |
| 04:01.45 | Phated | w00b: And relativity too, we're sure. |
| 04:01.46 | mickeyks | www.routergods.com |
| 04:01.48 | graeme | and usb scanners aparrently. |
| 04:01.48 | sgeigerbot | I'm leaving in 5 seconds. |
| 04:01.50 | sgeigerbot | 5 |
| 04:01.52 | sgeigerbot | 4 |
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| 04:01.54 | sgeigerbot | 3 |
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| 04:02.00 | w00b | lol |
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| 04:02.19 | w00b | nice 5 seconds |
| 04:02.20 | Guerin | exitus interruptus |
| 04:02.26 | Phated | Hahaha. |
| 04:02.39 | greycat | The desired effect was still achieved. |
| 04:02.42 | Phated | Tastes good, power, don't it, greycat? |
| 04:02.44 | Phated | ;) |
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| 04:02.57 | nvz | I dont know whats up with him lately.. |
| 04:03.07 | w00b | omg my idol is here |
| 04:03.10 | nvz | seems more irritated that usual |
| 04:03.18 | Guerin | britney: watch out, justin was in here before... |
| 04:03.21 | Phated | Who, the grey one? |
| 04:03.32 | w00b | lol |
| 04:03.41 | nvz | Guerin: justin wont hurt her, just make her RTFM |
| 04:03.53 | w00b | britney: RTFM |
| 04:04.07 | Phated | nvz: Counts as hurting, coming from Justin. ;) |
| 04:04.09 | Guerin | britney: the sad thing is that in many channels, you'll get more help with nick=britney than nick=graeme |
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| 04:04.13 | britney | w00b, i read the fine manual, and it said fkall. |
| 04:04.20 | w00b | lol |
| 04:04.25 | greycat | Guerin: it can backfire, though |
| 04:04.40 | nvz | Phated: I dont know I always found his input to be both motivational and productive ... |
| 04:04.42 | Guerin | greycat: yeah. When stalkers realise you're not who they think. |
| 04:04.43 | nvz | ... NOT |
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| 04:05.00 | Guerin | greycat: I did it once, for a very long time, though in a different setting. |
| 04:05.00 | Phated | nvz: Who, precisely, are you referring to? |
| 04:05.02 | mickeyks | damn stalkers |
| 04:05.09 | Phated | Yes, the horror. |
| 04:05.28 | greycat | Phated: it's generally safe to /ignore nvz |
| 04:05.30 | Guerin | All but one person who I'd befriended was shocked and horrified; and that one who stayed thought it was a grand joke... |
| 04:05.32 | XmAn | hi greycat |
| 04:05.41 | Phated | greycat: Shall take that as solid advice. :) |
| 04:05.55 | Phated | Guerin: Haha, great one. :) |
| 04:06.05 | w00b | lol |
| 04:06.12 | XmAn | greycat, Im listening to Carpenters Sweet smile.mp3 now :D |
| 04:06.19 | XmAn | wow LInux rox!! |
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| 04:06.25 | w00b | someone ask a debian question to put this channel back on task ;( |
| 04:06.26 | Guerin | Phated: the thing was that I didn't even lie about it. I just used a female nick, and nobody ever asked. |
| 04:06.29 | XmAn | good playback quality ! |
| 04:06.37 | Phated | Guerin: Indeed. Morons. |
| 04:06.39 | XmAn | even with this ALSA driver |
| 04:06.43 | Guerin | It was even a nick which CAN be used by men, but normally isn't... |
| 04:06.54 | Phated | Guerin: Which is why ambiguous nicks are better. :) |
| 04:07.03 | Guerin | Phated: indeed. |
| 04:07.04 | Phated | Guerin: What was it, out of curiosity? |
| 04:07.07 | Guerin | Toni |
| 04:07.11 | XmAn | hi Guerin |
| 04:07.14 | nvz | britney: well you could help yourself by being more specific |
| 04:07.18 | Phated | Guerin: Ahhh. |
| 04:07.27 | netsplit | if you use an ambiguous nick, people just assume you're male. |
| 04:07.28 | nvz | although maybe for some, that name change might just have given you an edge |
| 04:07.46 | Phated | netsplit: Indeed, they do. Like linux did earlier. Haha. |
| 04:07.47 | XmAn | Guerin, i was r00t^ ,haha,i fixed all problems,no sound/USB/X-win are all working now |
| 04:07.52 | mwilson | britney: Again, just because the scanner is detected doesn't mean it's supported. |
| 04:07.56 | britney | ok, lets go over it. I just upgraded to 2.6, and the scanner ain't working, / /proc/bus/usb/devices lists it properly |
| 04:08.00 | Guerin | XmAn: ah, I didn't see the swapx0r |
| 04:08.03 | britney | but sane doesn't see it. |
| 04:08.05 | mwilson | britney: Any number of USB scanners are not. |
| 04:08.07 | Guerin | !win XmAn |
| 04:08.07 | XmAn | Thank you for helping me,everyone ! :) |
| 04:08.08 | nvz | britney: relevant info being scanner make/model, kernel version, Debian package tree. |
| 04:08.08 | dpkg | Congratulations, XmAn! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 04:08.25 | XmAn | ;) |
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| 04:08.40 | Guerin | britney: google the scanner make and model number and linux |
| 04:08.41 | britney | alright, it's a canoscan |
| 04:08.42 | mwilson | britney: "sane doesn't see it"... have you used sane-find-scanner like the documentation tells you to? Have you looked at the list of supported scanners, like the documentation tells you to? |
| 04:08.48 | nvz | XmAn: yeah its pretty hard to use software that makes sense at first.. |
| 04:08.52 | britney | and it was working a while back. |
| 04:09.08 | XmAn | Guerin, and i cannot compile kernel 2.4.26,i got errors in ASM head files,but then i compiled 2.6.7,sucessed,what a deal :) |
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| 04:09.33 | Guerin | XmAn: huzzah... only 3 days! |
| 04:09.52 | britney | mwilson, totally, it worked last week. |
| 04:10.04 | XmAn | nvz, Yeah,i had no problem configure video/trackpoint/sound on my ibm laptop,but i did have some problems on this PC |
| 04:10.08 | Guerin | britney: what has changed? |
| 04:10.09 | britney | the only thing i changed was my kernel |
| 04:10.14 | greycat | change it back |
| 04:10.26 | Guerin | britney: you mean, the most important thing on any gnu/linux system? |
| 04:10.48 | britney | Guerin, yah i know./ |
| 04:11.00 | nvz | britney: did you compile the kernel or install it from a package |
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| 04:11.14 | XmAn | Guerin, i learnt,now i know to support PPPoE i need async |
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| 04:11.26 | Phated | britney: Recompile, with USB support thrown in? Might that work? |
| 04:11.39 | nvz | britney: also what version was your previous kernel and the one you have now? |
| 04:11.44 | britney | Phated, i've got all the modules, |
| 04:11.48 | britney | is scanner a module? |
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| 04:11.59 | mwilson | britney: I ask you again, does sane-find-scanner see the scanner, or not? It's a simple question. |
| 04:12.05 | britney | nvz, got it precompiled. |
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| 04:12.27 | britney | mwilson, it says 'probably detected' and tells me to rtmf |
| 04:12.29 | Phated | britney: Er, hm, might be. |
| 04:12.32 | britney | mwilson, it says 'probably detected' and tells me to rtmfm |
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| 04:14.02 | britney | mwilson, and then it definitely detects it when i give it a -L |
| 04:14.23 | britney | itty-bitty flood: device `plustek:libusb:002:002' is a Canon N1240U/LiDE30 USB flatbed scanner |
| 04:14.38 | nvz | britney: so the problem then is what? the device file is not there or is not accessible? |
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| 04:16.27 | britney | if you want that sht go to undernet. |
| 04:16.31 | nvz | maybe you new kernel is using devfs or udev or something of the sort, and the device name has changed |
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| 04:16.42 | aderkach_ | !test |
| 04:16.42 | dpkg | No, aderkach_, you're not online any more. |
| 04:17.05 | hackerb9 | Hi, does anyone know how to configure kde's default print system for all users on a Debian box? It's currently defaulting to LPD which fails since I'm using CUPS. |
| 04:17.10 | britney | thanks, esp mwilson. |
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| 04:17.38 | Guerin | hackerb9: #kde #debian-kde |
| 04:17.47 | geppe | I reinstalled my system (went from unstable --> stable) and i was previously using pure-ftpd. Since pure-ftpd is not in stable I need to be looking for another ftpd. Can anybody recommend a good one that has good Virtual User support? |
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| 04:18.51 | hackerb9 | Guerin: thanks! |
| 04:19.10 | housetier | geppe, proftpd perhaps? |
| 04:19.38 | geppe | ok |
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| 04:22.32 | mwilson | People still use CUPS voluntarily? |
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| 04:22.49 | mick_home | mwilson: cups is nice |
| 04:23.06 | mick_home | mwilson: eh, i remember having to setup lpd :/ |
| 04:23.35 | netsplit | what do people use instead of CUPS? |
| 04:23.41 | LakersFan | what's wrong with CUPS? |
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| 04:24.33 | mick_home | LakersFan: nothing |
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| 04:24.50 | mick_home | LakersFan: there is something wrong with liking the Lakers ;) |
| 04:24.58 | LakersFan | har har har |
| 04:25.00 | mick_home | LakersFan: i'm only kidding :) |
| 04:25.04 | LakersFan | haha |
| 04:25.45 | bbmj | cups tends to just work. |
| 04:25.54 | mick_home | bbmj: ya, i like that |
| 04:26.01 | mick_home | that wasn't always the case |
| 04:26.07 | mwilson | CUPS tends to just screw up. |
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| 04:26.15 | mick_home | plus, cups works on osx too |
| 04:26.22 | LeeColleton | There is a weird delay when I use vim, but not nano or emacs even. System load is <1. Why could this be.? |
| 04:26.35 | britney | alright, i've played with the conf files and read the manuals, and they all point me back to my initial suspicion, the kernel, what is the 2.6 usb-scanner module? |
| 04:26.37 | mick_home | mwilson: so get lpd up and just do it the old fashioned way |
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| 04:26.46 | britney | is it scanner? |
| 04:27.10 | britney | cuz if it is, then I don't have such a module installed, where would i find one? |
| 04:27.11 | mick_home | mwilson: what printer is it? |
| 04:27.18 | emRick | is there an equivalent to "xset" for the linux console? |
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| 04:27.39 | mick_home | emRick: yes |
| 04:27.49 | mick_home | let me think what it is |
| 04:27.50 | r00t^ | does anyone know if there is a channel for dicessing locales on linux ? |
| 04:27.57 | mwilson | britney: How many times do you have to be told that under 2.6, scanners use libusb? |
| 04:28.01 | emRick | mick_home: ... the suspense builds |
| 04:28.01 | r00t^ | for those non-english speakers ? |
| 04:28.14 | r00t^ | discussing* |
| 04:28.24 | mwilson | britney: The name sane-find-scanner showed you didn't sink in? |
| 04:28.29 | mick_home | reads his irc logs |
| 04:28.30 | britney | mwilson, apparently a lot, mostly because i really don't understand what that means for me. |
| 04:28.58 | Guerin | r00t^: here will do |
| 04:28.58 | britney | mwilson, i configured it in plustek.conf, and all, still nothing, |
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| 04:29.06 | britney | my backend is solid, |
| 04:29.10 | britney | i mean... |
| 04:29.11 | mick_home | !beep |
| 04:29.11 | dpkg | i heard beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G |
| 04:29.25 | mick_home | err, that wasn't it |
| 04:29.34 | netsplit | LeeColleton: perhaps you could do strace on vim and see which call takes a long time. |
| 04:29.54 | LeeColleton | netsplit: perhaps... |
| 04:30.25 | mwilson | Or perhaps you could either not run a GUI-compiled vim, or else pass -X to tell it not to look for the X server. |
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| 04:30.53 | hackerb9 | LeeColleton: Does the vim lag occur from the linux console (ctrl-alt-f1) as well as under X? |
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| 04:31.04 | emRick | this is a nice console command: |
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| 04:31.10 | emRick | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.51 | corelogic | hey I have a blind friend who is a linux guru that needs work if anyone knows of a remote admin job or anything he can get |
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| 04:32.50 | acro222 | ? |
| 04:32.55 | LeeColleton | hacker9: the delay is only under X |
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| 04:33.02 | afaik | man.... |
| 04:33.03 | mick_home | emRick: i think its setterm |
| 04:33.11 | afaik | Fred Durst is such a fuckin pussy |
| 04:33.38 | Guerin | !word afaik |
| 04:33.39 | dpkg | afaik: Word to your mutha! |
| 04:33.39 | mick_home | emRick: anything you wanna do in particular? |
| 04:33.44 | corelogic | anyone know of a way to turn off a laptop lcd screen ? (acpi) |
| 04:33.44 | LeeColleton | afaik: please explain what that has to do with the debian project. is he a developer? |
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| 04:33.55 | xerophyte | does anybody know how can i fix this proftpd problem 500 AUTH not understood \n 504 AUTH GSSAPI unsupported \n KERBEROS_V4 rejected as an authentication type |
| 04:34.00 | nvz | afaik: yeah and a shitty musician.. doesnt do bad at talent scouting though IMO most everyone he signed was better then his band |
| 04:34.30 | Guerin | xerophyte: gssapi kerberos ain't working |
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| 04:34.34 | emRick | mick_home: wanted to bind a key in emacs that would turn on the screensaver |
| 04:34.45 | Guerin | xerophyte: ask in #proftpd or maybe #security |
| 04:34.46 | mick_home | ah |
| 04:35.08 | emRick | mick_home: say, here is a wild guess -- would the console-based screensaver happen to use /dev/vcsa? |
| 04:35.31 | nvz | LeeColleton: he develops terrible music, has virtually nothing to do with debian which packages good free software |
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| 04:37.01 | mick_home | corelogic: if you want to turn on the screensaver (that can make it blank) i think it is something like "xset s blank && xset s on && xset -dpms" (i forget exactly, might be in xset manpage) |
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| 04:37.29 | mick_home | emRick: not sure |
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| 04:38.06 | hackerb9 | LeeColleton: perhaps it is your vim fonts; does the delay occur every time you hit a key or every time vim is started? |
| 04:38.11 | Loplin | Hello |
| 04:38.33 | Loplin | Can anyone tell me the name of a good graphical apt-get package manager? |
| 04:38.49 | helix | Loplin: synaptic, supposedly.. i think there is a kde one as well |
| 04:38.58 | Loplin | Thanks |
| 04:40.00 | mick_home | emRick: the "bind" command edits key bindings |
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| 04:40.42 | mick_laptop | emRick: check this out: http://www.samspublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=169504&seqNum=11 |
| 04:40.50 | mick_laptop | emRick: that might help |
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| 04:41.17 | LeeColleton | So if I have a delay while using vim under X (but not nano and not in a console) then is gnome-terminal somehow to blame? |
| 04:41.30 | emRick | mick_laptop/home: thanks you micks |
| 04:41.45 | emRick | ... is debian doing some weird cloning now? |
| 04:42.05 | mick_laptop | np (sorry for switching between /nicks) |
| 04:42.07 | hackerb9 | LeeColleton: Gnome-terminal could be to blame. Try plain old xterm. |
| 04:42.08 | mick_laptop | ;) |
| 04:42.15 | LeeColleton | Ah, there isn't a delay under xterm either, perhaps it is a font rendering problem? Why would it only affect vim and not other console using programs? |
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| 04:42.50 | hackerb9 | LeeColleton: try setting your TERM type in gnome-terminal to "xterm". |
| 04:43.36 | hackerb9 | LeeColleton: it's also possible 'vim' is doing something funky, like using termcap instead of terminfo, or ignoring them both and doing its own thing. |
| 04:44.02 | Loplin | Okay also, when I try to run gdmconfig, I get this error, Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library, how do I fix that? I tried getting new libraries but that didnt work |
| 04:44.35 | Loplin | (I run it from a terminal) |
| 04:44.51 | LeeColleton | I don't know how to set the TERM type. It isn't in the profile menu? |
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| 04:45.32 | pingu22 | hello upgrade my woody to sarge |
| 04:45.42 | pingu22 | but not reboot the machine remote ... |
| 04:45.45 | hackerb9 | LeeColleton: TERM is an environment variable that vim is supposed to read to know how to talk to the terminal. First check what it's set to with 'echo $TERM'. Then you can do 'export TERM=xterm'. |
| 04:46.14 | pingu22 | and reboot command display init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl |
| 04:46.40 | LeeColleton | ah, TERM is already set to xterm, so perhaps vim is doing some other funky thing |
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| 04:46.51 | sciboy | >_< |
| 04:47.10 | sciboy | I can't get alsa to use my SBLive! card :( |
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| 04:47.28 | sciboy | Its using the on-boad sound instead :( |
| 04:47.29 | hackerb9 | LeeColleton: Well, I'd sooner blame gnome-terminal. |
| 04:47.57 | sciboy | Which doesn't output as much bass and volume as the SBLive! :( |
| 04:48.13 | helix | LeeColleton: in my experience, vim + g-t is a bad combo. :) |
| 04:48.13 | Guerin | sciboy: can you turn the onboard off in bios? |
| 04:48.23 | sciboy | Guerin: Dunno... |
| 04:48.45 | Guerin | sciboy: try |
| 04:48.49 | sciboy | Guerin: If it did, how would i? |
| 04:49.04 | LakersFan | would be an option in your bios |
| 04:49.08 | Guerin | sciboy: you'd go into bios and set onboard sound to OFF |
| 04:49.15 | sciboy | ... |
| 04:49.18 | LeeColleton | Great. Maybe I should just go back to using Windowmaker.. or just run everything from an xterm |
| 04:49.25 | Guerin | sciboy: I don't know exactly how, because I haven't seen your bios, FFS |
| 04:49.26 | hackerb9 | helix: In my experience, gnome-terminal isn't quite ready yet. |
| 04:49.35 | sciboy | Since i doubt i am gonnah get any info from you guys, i'll just disappear and do it now... |
| 04:49.41 | Guerin | I find g-t to be faster than konsole for most things |
| 04:50.06 | LakersFan | what a douche |
| 04:50.14 | LeeColleton | hackerb9: what would you recommend? I like having easy to read fonts (easily scaleable) |
| 04:50.37 | britney | what is the opposite of adduser |
| 04:50.41 | hackerb9 | LeeColleton: I use xterm. To scale it you hold down shift and hit + or - on the numberpad. |
| 04:50.47 | Guerin | britney: deluser |
| 04:50.47 | housetier | britney, deluser :) |
| 04:50.51 | LeeColleton | hot damn! |
| 04:50.58 | Guerin | de-luserise your box |
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| 04:51.25 | helix | LeeColleton: what's wrong with xterm? why were you trying to switch to g-t? |
| 04:51.26 | LeeColleton | oh wait, I don't have a number pad :-( |
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| 04:51.56 | Guerin | I don't like the default way xterm does bold and colors, and I cba changing it :P |
| 04:51.59 | LeeColleton | g-t is what came with sarge as a default terminal |
| 04:52.00 | hackerb9 | LeeColleton: That's too bad, but you can still hold down ctrl and use the mouse menus. |
| 04:52.15 | Guerin | LeeColleton: bzzzt. it's what came with GNOME as a default terminal |
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| 04:53.11 | helix | gnome-terminal is pretty good in most respects |
| 04:53.21 | helix | but.. 1. it's too heavy and 2. it's screwy with vim |
| 04:53.25 | helix | so i had to break up with it |
| 04:53.33 | LeeColleton | I also like the way g-t can full screen to hide the window border, but still allows copy-pasting via X |
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| 04:53.52 | mwilson | Guerin: What's wrong with how xterm handles color? Or bold? |
| 04:53.56 | nailbiter | helix: screwy with vim? |
| 04:54.05 | helix | nailbiter: i had copy and paste issues |
| 04:54.14 | helix | nailbiter: that didn't exist in xterm and don't exist in urxvt |
| 04:54.19 | LeeColleton | g-t also has profiles and pretty fonts |
| 04:54.26 | hackerb9 | LeeColleton: Have you tried ctrl+right-mouse-button to change the fonts in xterm? |
| 04:54.45 | mwilson | LeeColleton: When did xterm stop supporting anti-aliased fonts? |
| 04:54.48 | django34 | Hi everybody. I'm attempting a remote network install of sarge, and I can't get networking to work on the box. Would somebody be willing to help me? |
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| 04:55.18 | nailbiter | helix: it adds newlines to multiline selections? |
| 04:55.18 | Cuga | Hey does anybody know if DRM is required in kernel when installing ATI's drivers? |
| 04:55.21 | karsten | django34: You're currently running the old (host) or new (guest) OS? Is this a chroot install? |
| 04:55.38 | Guerin | mwilson: it probably does it properly. Color palettes are different to konsole/g-t, and "light" colors (1;35m forex) are displayed as bold |
| 04:55.50 | hackerb9 | LeeColleton: gotta run; hope the xterm thing works out for you. |
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| 04:56.03 | helix | nailbiter: nah - i can't remember exactly what the problem was, but i *think* it misremembered buffers after i selected and deleted text |
| 04:56.05 | mwilson | nailbiter: Last I checked, g-t had idiotic ideas about how the clipboard worked. |
| 04:56.08 | django34 | karsten: I'm currently running Red Hat 9. It's a chroot install (on the swap partition) based on the instructions here: http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html . I'm at the first restart, but the box won't come back up. |
| 04:56.12 | helix | nailbiter: i'd try to paste something else and it would use what i just deleted |
| 04:56.24 | karsten | django34: You've got remote hands? |
| 04:56.25 | LeeColleton | ctrl+Rmouse brings up a menu "VT Fonts" but I don't see anything about anti-aliased fonts |
| 04:56.49 | Guerin | LeeColleton: start it with -fa "font name" |
| 04:57.05 | karsten | django34: Best bet is to reboot to RH and work the network config from there w/ in the chroot. |
| 04:57.05 | django34 | karsten: I have a funky little Web interface that lets me restart the box in "safety mode" using some sort of ramdisk. So I can log into the box that way to fix things, look at logs, etc. |
| 04:57.15 | karsten | django34: OK. See above. |
| 04:57.30 | karsten | django34: I'm pretty good at chroot installs, though I prefer to do 'em local. |
| 04:57.31 | django34 | karsten: I'm not sure what part of the network config to edit. |
| 04:57.34 | mwilson | helix: Yeah, I think that's one of its stupidities. G-t is really useless for anything serious. |
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| 04:57.43 | helix | mwilson: agreed |
| 04:57.57 | helix | it's also too heavy to have multiple instances running |
| 04:58.12 | Guerin | can xterm do tabs? |
| 04:58.13 | karsten | django34: With RH <=> Debian, there's a some mapping issues of what gets configured where. You're 1) highly familiar with both systems, or 2) know one better than the other? |
| 04:58.18 | mwilson | Oh, but you're supposed to use that idiotic tabs metaphor. |
| 04:58.20 | karsten | Guerin: Soitenly. |
| 04:58.22 | Guerin | or is that a stupid question by default? |
| 04:58.26 | karsten | Guerin: They're called 'screen'. |
| 04:58.35 | nailbiter | mwilson, helix: any recommendations for a lightweight terminal app? |
| 04:58.43 | mwilson | nailbiter: xterm |
| 04:58.45 | helix | nailbiter: i use rxvt-unicode |
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| 04:58.46 | karsten | nailbiter: rxvt, nterm. |
| 04:58.48 | django34 | karsten: I know Red Hat much better than Debian. This is my first serious Debian install. |
| 04:58.48 | Loplin | is there a apt-fix command? |
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| 04:58.57 | karsten | mwilson: xterm drags with it the Textronix overhead. |
| 04:58.57 | helix | Loplin: apt-get -f install |
| 04:59.01 | Loplin | thans |
| 04:59.03 | Loplin | thanks* |
| 04:59.10 | pw | !helixsmite helix |
| 04:59.14 | helix | :)) |
| 04:59.16 | karsten | django34: OK. Everything that's in /etc/sysconfig/network* is now in /etc/networking. Slightly reworked. |
| 04:59.17 | mwilson | karsten: Which isn't enough to matter. The Xterm FAQ addresses this question. |
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| 04:59.23 | helix | pw: umm, aren't you up kind of.. late? :) |
| 04:59.27 | pw | early. |
| 04:59.34 | pw | it's 0600 here. |
| 04:59.40 | django34 | karsten: Yes, I've put the appropriate lines in /etc/networking/interfaces. |
| 04:59.40 | nailbiter | karsten, helix, mwilson: i guess i ought to ditch konsole/gnome-terminal for either of those. :) thanks .. |
| 04:59.48 | karsten | mwilson: Look at your resident set sizes. I don't particularly bother, but if you've got ~64 MB or less it becomes an issue. |
| 04:59.58 | mwilson | karsten: Personally, I'll bring along a little baggage (or compile it myself without it) to get an excellent terminal emulator with a responsive maintainer. |
| 05:00.00 | helix | nailbiter: rxvt-unicode is for utf-8, but rxvt is good as well |
| 05:00.05 | graeme | that joke was soo old now. |
| 05:00.20 | nailbiter | helix: rxvt-unicode might be handy for reading all that russian spam .. |
| 05:00.24 | karsten | django34: OK. Networking is basically an issue of: 1. appropriate modules (/etc/modules), appropriate interfaces (/etc/network/interfaces), and making sure it all comes up right. |
| 05:00.26 | helix | nailbiter: true :) |
| 05:00.36 | karsten | mwilson: That's rxvt for me ;-) |
| 05:00.53 | mwilson | karsten: rxvt, which hasn't had a release in how long again? |
| 05:00.54 | Guerin | ah, another thing about xterm, is that it intercepts alt for meta-character commands by default |
| 05:01.05 | Guerin | which makes it a PITA to change windows in irssi, forex |
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| 05:01.23 | django34 | karsten: All right...I'm pretty confident /etc/network/interfaces is correct, so it must be the modules. Would it help you to see the output of /var/log/messages? |
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| 05:01.51 | mwilson | karsten: Or rxvt-unicode, which has some whacked out syntax for specifying fonts that it doesn't document and you have to discover by experimentation? |
| 05:01.51 | karsten | django34: dmesg is going to be more useful. |
| 05:02.00 | karsten | django34: But sure. /join #flood. |
| 05:02.23 | karsten | mwilson: damned if it doesn't work though. |
| 05:02.47 | mwilson | karsten: I can't think of anything rxvt does that xterm doesn't. |
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| 05:02.55 | karsten | Guerin: Not a problem here. WMaker beats it to the punch ;-) |
| 05:02.59 | django34 | karsten: see http://rafb.net/paste/results/Gdwi5098.html |
| 05:03.09 | karsten | mwilson: It's more that there are a several things rxvt *doesn't* do. |
| 05:03.18 | karsten | mwilson: ...and I _so_ like the gtk scrollbar ;-) |
| 05:03.37 | helix | scrollbars are yucky |
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| 05:03.54 | mwilson | karsten: Such as? |
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| 05:04.14 | mwilson | karsten: rxvt still can't pass vttest, last I checked. |
| 05:04.21 | karsten | helix: ...or at least, that's what I'm calling it these days. |
| 05:04.26 | karsten | mwilson: <yawn> |
| 05:04.36 | helix | karsten: a scrollbar could probably cover up the important bits |
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| 05:05.04 | mwilson | helix: scrollbars are for wasting more screen real-estate on window borders. :) |
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| 05:05.21 | helix | mwilson: indeed |
| 05:05.25 | helix | also, they're really ugly |
| 05:05.32 | helix | i'm not sure what purpose they serve |
| 05:05.39 | karsten | helix: Mine are long and wide, so yeah, you're right. |
| 05:05.48 | mwilson | The Athena scrollbar is still the best... anything else is a pale imatation. |
| 05:05.57 | helix | karsten: 2 pixels isn't "wide" and 50px isn't "long" |
| 05:06.02 | helix | athena? |
| 05:06.03 | karsten | django34: OK, I don't see any ethernet devices detected. What's your NIC? |
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| 05:06.22 | pw | ;) |
| 05:06.24 | karsten | helix: Don't knock it until you've tried it. |
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| 05:06.39 | Brsa | sorry if this has been asked before: is the outcome of the GR known yet? |
| 05:06.43 | mwilson | helix: Oh? You don't like the way it works? |
| 05:06.45 | django34 | karsten: I'm not sure how to find that out. What file should I look at for that information? |
| 05:06.53 | mwilson | Brsa: Doesn't the vote have to end first? |
| 05:06.54 | helix | Brsa: sarge will be released |
| 05:06.58 | karsten | helix: ...the move relative to the position at which you click the SB is pretty slck. |
| 05:07.02 | karsten | django34: /proc/pci |
| 05:07.12 | Brsa | mwilson, i thought it had ended midnight? |
| 05:07.15 | karsten | django34: ...or somewhere else in more recent kernels. It's moving around. |
| 05:07.20 | helix | mwilson: by "athena scrollbar", do you mean the athena widget set? |
| 05:07.25 | helix | mwilson: the vote ended |
| 05:07.28 | mwilson | helix: Of course. |
| 05:07.36 | helix | mwilson: ok, that widget set is teh ugly |
| 05:07.47 | pw | heh |
| 05:07.50 | mwilson | helix: For some reason, I thought it ended tomorrow. Not that I care, really. |
| 05:07.51 | karsten | django34: This should get close: grep -C2 -i ether /proc/pci |
| 05:07.59 | pw | aka Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus aureus |
| 05:08.07 | EvilSporkMan | once configured, how maintainable by the "unl33t" is Debian? I'm moving one of my girlfriend's friends from WinME to Linux |
| 05:08.22 | mwilson | helix: It is if you don't set it up properly. But we're talking about the functionality of it. |
| 05:08.22 | Brsa | helix, sarge will be released, so one of those options in favour of releasing has made it? |
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| 05:08.26 | helix | EvilSporkMan: quite |
| 05:08.26 | django34 | karsten: Just a sec...I'll have to boot into Red Hat to get that. I'm on the "recovery" ramdisk thing now. |
| 05:08.32 | Guerin_xterm | EvilSporkMan: depends whether they want to install every stupid spyware app they get in the mail |
| 05:08.40 | pw | EvilSporkMan: tis easy peasy |
| 05:08.40 | karsten | helix: On a graphical design perspective, Athena *is* teh suck. However there *are* some nice usability surprises in there. |
| 05:08.43 | helix | Brsa: yeah, option 2 was the most popular |
| 05:08.46 | EvilSporkMan | Guerin_xterm: I don't think this will be a problem |
| 05:08.48 | karsten | django34: You should still have a proc/ |
| 05:08.50 | Guerin_xterm | EvilSporkMan: because much as they might want to, they can't |
| 05:08.59 | EvilSporkMan | so, it's just apt-get foo and away we go, like portage sans compiling? |
| 05:09.03 | helix | mwilson, karsten: oh, i know nothing about the functionality |
| 05:09.07 | karsten | django34: ...and you're just reading the PCI bus. Unless your ramdisk boots to different HW. |
| 05:09.08 | pw | !britsmite athena |
| 05:09.13 | Brsa | helix, thnx. makes me quite happy :) |
| 05:09.19 | mwilson | karsten: I dunno... someone needs to take the crack pipe away from the GTK developers. |
| 05:09.19 | helix | Brsa: indeed :) |
| 05:09.31 | nailbiter | EvilSporkMan: yes |
| 05:09.35 | karsten | mwilson: A-fucking-men. |
| 05:09.59 | Brsa | I was fearing for the future of debian, now i am optimistic again :) |
| 05:10.05 | EvilSporkMan | hrm. Looks like I'm seriously considering installing Debian if the computer is at all slow |
| 05:10.11 | karsten | django34: You can also poke around in RH's unholy mess of a configuration filespace to find where it loads its modules, or just 'lsmod' to see what's loading. |
| 05:10.13 | django34 | karsten: I believe the ramdisk boots to different HW. It had an empty /proc. No big deal..I'm rebooting into RH right now. |
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| 05:10.27 | karsten | django34: Most likely not mounted. |
| 05:10.42 | karsten | django34: 'mount /proc' would have taken care of that. Or 'mount proc /proc' |
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| 05:10.57 | django34 | karsten: Ahhh. :) I'll know for next time. |
| 05:11.06 | Brsa | thanx for the good news, now i will sleep with a smile, good night! |
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| 05:11.25 | karsten | django34: Yeah. Incidentally, you can mount proc multiple times -- as I discoveed when doing chroot installs. |
| 05:12.03 | django34 | karsten: That's interesting. So, just out of curiosity, proc isn't created at boot time? |
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| 05:12.32 | karsten | django34: "proc" is a virtual filesystem. You must have a mountpoint for it. And it's not automatically mounted by the kernel -- you need an /etc/fstab entry for it. |
| 05:12.41 | karsten | django34: ...so your ramdisk may have skimped on that detail. |
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| 05:13.01 | karsten | django34: ...other than that, the "files" in /proc don't really "exist", they're manifestations of kernel space. |
| 05:13.27 | django34 | karsten: Ah, OK. I knew it was a virtual filesystem, but I didn't know at what point that filesystem was created. |
| 05:13.33 | karsten | django34: ...think of it as a file-based mode of accessing (reading *and* writing) kernel parameters. Pretty slick concept that. |
| 05:13.43 | django34 | karsten: I've got the results of "grep -C2 -i ether /proc/pci" at http://rafb.net/paste/results/ilHNsw33.html |
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| 05:13.48 | karsten | django34: It's "created" when it's mounted. |
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| 05:14.02 | karsten | django34: ...modulo multiple levels of metaphore sheer. |
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| 05:14.22 | helix | !tell Loplin about away |
| 05:14.43 | karsten | django34: Loading... |
| 05:14.56 | Mr_Smiley | i'm trying to install debian, when i load the default kernel it detect my hdd fine but when I try and load the 2.6 kernel and it gets up to the partitioning bit there is nothing there... |
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| 05:15.04 | Loplin | heh, sorry about that, didnt even know my client did that :P |
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| 05:15.08 | karsten | django34: OK. VIA Technologies. Not familiar with the chipset. |
| 05:15.27 | karsten | django34: ...best bet is to see what RH had loaded for it. What's the box booted to ATM? |
| 05:15.42 | karsten | django34: 'lsmod > <output file>' would be another good paste. |
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| 05:15.54 | django34 | karsten: It's using the 8139too module, I believe...but I'll make that lsmod paste for you. |
| 05:16.16 | karsten | django34: OK. "echo 8139too" >> /etc/modules |
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| 05:16.41 | Guerin | Mr_Smiley: which installer are you using/. |
| 05:16.42 | Guerin | ? |
| 05:16.47 | django34 | karsten: lsmod results here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/8efnrP75.html |
| 05:16.48 | Mr_Smiley | umm |
| 05:16.53 | Mr_Smiley | its a netinstall |
| 05:17.07 | django34 | karsten: I assume I should do that on the debian partition? |
| 05:17.07 | Mr_Smiley | but i dunno which installer it is.. |
| 05:17.22 | karsten | django34: Yes. You're setting modules you want loaded at boot. |
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| 05:17.26 | karsten | django34: ...in Debian. |
| 05:17.43 | karsten | django34: ...that's *all* your modules? |
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| 05:18.00 | karsten | django34: Custom kernel, or was network not running when you got those? |
| 05:18.17 | dave_ | Can anyone help with a Debian xwindow install? |
| 05:18.31 | karsten | dave_: WTF is an xwindow install? |
| 05:18.50 | django34 | karsten: That's all of the modules. Network was running, so it must be a custom kernel (?). The dedicated came with Red Hat 9 preinstalled. |
| 05:19.02 | Mr_Smiley | Guerin: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/tc1/sarge-i386-netinst.iso thats the file i downloaded |
| 05:19.13 | karsten | django34: You don't have any NIC modules loaded. Just some netfilters stuff. I got four lines. Was there more? |
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| 05:19.38 | django34 | karsten: Just those four lines. :| |
| 05:19.41 | dave_ | my screen resolution is too large, i am using a Dell Gx100 with i810 chipset |
| 05:19.50 | karsten | django34: In Debian, the kernel config options are usually in /boot/config-$( uname -r ) |
| 05:19.59 | django34 | karsten: And I can confirm networking is working, because I'm SSHed into the box. :) |
| 05:20.06 | karsten | django34: ...which will be one long-ass file naming everything the kernel was built with. |
| 05:20.20 | karsten | django34: Dunno, RH's been working on SSH-over-ESP for a while.... |
| 05:20.42 | django34 | karsten: Sure. Do I need to activate kernel options to get networking to work for debian? |
| 05:21.13 | karsten | django34: Let's say for right now it's the 8139too module. Make sure that's in your /etc/modules, and try booting Debian. |
| 05:21.20 | django34 | karsten: OK, here goes... |
| 05:21.27 | karsten | django34: ...the other option is to boot your RH kernel when firing up Debian. |
| 05:21.45 | Mr_Smiley | noone can help me? |
| 05:22.25 | Rez | Mr_Smiley: why are you doing tc1? isn't it up to tc4 by now? |
| 05:22.31 | karsten | dave_: WTF does your window size have to do with your install? |
| 05:22.34 | Mr_Smiley | ok |
| 05:22.39 | Mr_Smiley | then what file should i download for a net install :D |
| 05:22.41 | django34 | karsten: I figured that might be a possibility but wasn't sure whether any other debian software depended on the debian kernel. |
| 05:22.47 | karsten | dave_: Pardon the language, but you're not making sense. |
| 05:23.11 | karsten | django34: In general: no. And when you're getting started, a known-good kernel can be useful. |
| 05:23.28 | karsten | django34: ...I've been known to run chroot installs for a few days, chrooted, while tweaking systems. |
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| 05:23.51 | karsten | django34: That's one of the advantages of the method: you can work at getting things right before you commit to hitting the reset switch and booting into it. |
| 05:24.08 | django34 | karsten: So, in order to use the RH kernel with debian, I would just point grub at the RH kernel but point the "root" at the debian partition, right? |
| 05:24.18 | karsten | django34: Yeah. |
| 05:24.32 | django34 | karsten: Sneaky! :) |
| 05:24.40 | karsten | django34: It's more or less like booting from a rescue disk or boot kernel. |
| 05:24.52 | dave_ | i run debian install, then install x-window-system and gdm, but the screen is like 640/480 instead of 1280x1024 |
| 05:25.02 | karsten | django34: You know, if it works, why break it. Particularly if you're miles from smiles? |
| 05:25.17 | helix | what the |
| 05:25.21 | django34 | karsten: Well, the debian box isn't responding to pings yet...I'll give it a few more moments, then boot into the emergency ramdisk. |
| 05:25.29 | karsten | django34: NP. |
| 05:25.39 | Mr_Smiley | i want to install debian, preferably through a net install what file should i download? |
| 05:25.49 | karsten | django34: You want to look at the following, on the Debian box. |
| 05:25.55 | karsten | Mr_Smiley: ...the Installation Manual. |
| 05:26.21 | karsten | django34: /var/log/dmesg, /var/log/syslog, /var/log/kernel, and /etc/modules. |
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| 05:26.45 | rich_ | hi |
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| 05:27.57 | django34 | karsten: OK, I'll check those out. From my (limited) experience troubleshooting this installation, the dmesg and kernel logs appear to be very similar. |
| 05:28.58 | grizzlybear | what is debian? what is knoppix? why some people say debian is knoppix? |
| 05:29.25 | Wyzard | grizzlybear: Knoppix is a liveCD distribution that's based on Debian, but has differences |
| 05:30.04 | grizzlybear | Wyzard: yes, i know the first part. but what's the differences? |
| 05:30.11 | Wyzard | grizzlybear: Some Knoppix users ask questions in #debian, but we tell them to go to #knoppix because we don't keep track of the differences |
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| 05:30.23 | karsten | django34: The dmesg log is the kernel ring buffer from boot, and cuts off about the time that init takes over. The kernel log will include more information but may miss some early stuff as the syslogger isn't running yet. |
| 05:30.53 | grizzlybear | Wyzard: ic |
| 05:30.55 | karsten | grizzlybear: Knoppix is an specific instanciation based on, but seperate from, Debian. |
| 05:31.03 | Wyzard | grizzlybear: If you ask in #debian how to do something, we'll tell you how to do it in Debian. If Knoppix does it differently, our instructions might not work. |
| 05:31.18 | django34 | karsten: OK, I'm back into the debian box, looking for suspicious things in the logs. |
| 05:31.24 | django34 | karsten: Should I paste something for you? |
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| 05:31.50 | karsten | django34: You want to look through the dmesg log for any card loading messages |
| 05:31.55 | Wyzard | grizzlybear: Since we don't use Knoppix (much) and don't keep track of what it does differently, we get annoyed by Knoppix users asking questions in #debian, and we tell them to go to #knoppix instead |
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| 05:32.53 | grizzlybear | Wyzard: hm... no wonder this guy told me debian is knoppix |
| 05:32.53 | django34 | karsten: dmesg has the line "8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.26" |
| 05:33.00 | Mr_Smiley | how do most people install debian? |
| 05:33.19 | Guerin | Mr_Smiley: no way of knowing |
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| 05:33.38 | Mr_Smiley | ok |
| 05:33.45 | Guerin | Mr_Smiley: I installed woody base from a mini-iso, then upgraded |
| 05:33.47 | rich_ | Mr_Smiley You mean me? Net-install. |
| 05:33.52 | Guerin | Mr_Smiley: that seems pretty common |
| 05:33.53 | karsten | django34: That sounds like it loaded the driver. Do you have an appropriate line for the interface with 'auto' on it? |
| 05:34.01 | Mr_Smiley | i want to do net-install but i'm confused |
| 05:34.02 | karsten | django34: ...otherwise the device won't come up automatically. |
| 05:34.11 | Guerin | Mr_Smiley: confused about what? |
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| 05:34.18 | Mr_Smiley | which file to get |
| 05:34.22 | karsten | django34: Eg: auto eth0 |
| 05:34.22 | django34 | karsten: yes. /etc/network/interfaces has "auto eth0" |
| 05:34.23 | Mr_Smiley | beta 4 wont detect windows |
| 05:34.28 | Wyzard | grizzlybear: Debian is what Knoppix is based on. Saying that Debian and Knoppix are the same is like saying that CDs and DVDs are the same |
| 05:34.29 | karsten | django34: OK. |
| 05:34.30 | Mr_Smiley | so i dont know what to get.. |
| 05:34.49 | drijen | anyone seen phated lately? |
| 05:34.58 | django34 | karsten: dmesg also has three lines that begin with "eth0" |
| 05:35.07 | Guerin | Mr_Smiley: so use a woody installer, and do everything manually. I haven't used the new debian-installer, though |
| 05:35.07 | karsten | django34: Paste |
| 05:35.13 | Guerin | drijen: she was here an hour or so ago |
| 05:35.18 | karsten | drijen: Earlier today. Maybe four hours ago? |
| 05:35.24 | nailbiter | Wyzard: Or saying that Mandrake is Red Hat. :) |
| 05:35.24 | Rez | drijen: 1 hr 22 min ago |
| 05:35.24 | django34 | karsten: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rpXgn317.html |
| 05:35.25 | grizzlybear | Wyzard: yes. ic your point. and i also see the other guy's point. |
| 05:35.35 | karsten | drijen: /msg dpkg seen phated. |
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| 05:35.36 | drijen | Guerin: do me a favor - if you see her again, tell her i sent her package? |
| 05:35.44 | Guerin | Mr_Smiley: or ask in #debian-boot about how to get d-i to detect windows, if it can |
| 05:35.49 | drijen | thanx guys/girls |
| 05:35.50 | Rez | drijen: /msg memoserv help |
| 05:35.51 | Guerin | drijen: mmmkay |
| 05:36.03 | drijen | ah, shizz memoserv, duh |
| 05:36.07 | drijen | hehe |
| 05:36.09 | Mr_Smiley | Guerin: could you point me in the right direction of what file to get :P |
| 05:36.19 | drijen | i'm a li'l drunk, sorry |
| 05:36.33 | karsten | django34: OK. Your eth0 is definitely coming up. Any reason it wouldn't respond to pings? Firewall? |
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| 05:36.41 | Rez | practice safe ircing, don't do it drunk |
| 05:36.44 | Guerin | Mr_Smiley: depends what you want to do |
| 05:36.55 | Mr_Smiley | i want a net install, |
| 05:36.59 | Mr_Smiley | umm |
| 05:37.10 | Guerin | Mr_Smiley: again, d-i should be the best bet, and I'm sure you can make it NOT hurt your windows drive. |
| 05:37.24 | Mr_Smiley | d-i? |
| 05:37.26 | Guerin | Mr_Smiley: ALL debian CDs will allow you to do a netinstall |
| 05:37.26 | django34 | karsten: I didn't specifically install a firewall with debian, so I don't think that's the case. And when I boot into the ramdisk and/or RH, the same IP does respond to pings. |
| 05:37.27 | helix | drijen: there's also this new technology called "email". it's pretty neat. :) |
| 05:37.30 | Guerin | !d-i |
| 05:37.31 | dpkg | i guess d-i is at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 05:37.43 | Mr_Smiley | ah k |
| 05:37.59 | drijen | helix: email is shit, overated, and insecure - only an idiot would use it |
| 05:38.00 | Mr_Smiley | so i can download any net inst and it will be the same |
| 05:38.11 | helix | umm.. |
| 05:38.15 | Guerin | Mr_Smiley: the woody installer will work too, but it's a more manual install - less friendly |
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| 05:38.20 | Guerin | drijen: bullshit |
| 05:38.21 | drijen | helix: besides, i dunno her address |
| 05:38.22 | Rez | drijen: and that's why they made gpg |
| 05:38.23 | Mr_Smiley | ah k :/ |
| 05:38.28 | Mr_Smiley | i'll try bye |
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| 05:38.47 | Guerin | drijen: that just shows that you don't know how to use it |
| 05:38.53 | Rez | helix: is that so you can keep me for yourself? ;) |
| 05:38.57 | drijen | gpg is fairly easy to break, if you know the bugs |
| 05:39.02 | Guerin | !whois Rez |
| 05:39.07 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:39.10 | drijen | same for PGP, and RSA |
| 05:39.11 | helix | ew, no way. i have to protect the rest of the world from you |
| 05:39.13 | Guerin | too many factoids for me |
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| 05:39.30 | Guerin | hrm, I thought so |
| 05:39.32 | Rez | oh, k. |
| 05:39.40 | django34 | karsten: I *am* using DHCP, but I don't think the IP would change from RH to debian, becuase I believe the provider of the dedicated server (1and1) has some sort of guarantee of the IP I have. |
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| 05:39.48 | karsten | django34: OK. Are you positive your network config is right? |
| 05:40.01 | karsten | django34: ...no bad masks or mis-typed values? Good routing? |
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| 05:40.21 | drijen | take care all |
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| 05:40.27 | mlawrence | everyone send drijen your dsa keys |
| 05:40.40 | karsten | django34: Most DHCP servers with cache a MAC for at least an hour or so. |
| 05:40.59 | Guerin | mlawrence: nah, if he don't wanna email me, I don't GAF |
| 05:41.19 | django34 | karsten: I'm pretty sure the network config is right. It's just "iface eth0 inet dhcp". How do I check the routing? |
| 05:41.26 | karsten | django34: ...and you might want to write a script to grab the IP and route info and log it before rebooting. |
| 05:41.49 | karsten | django34: Call it from /etc/init.d/bootmisc |
| 05:42.01 | karsten | django34: Call it from /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 05:42.10 | django34 | karsten: I actually tried to do that but failed miserably. :) I put a script that did "ifconfig > /var/log/ifconfig.log" into /etc/rc2.d/S50adriantest, but it didn't appear to work. |
| 05:42.43 | django34 | karsten: But I'll try it again. Should I record anything other than the output of ifconfig? |
| 05:42.55 | karsten | django34: 'ifconfig; route -n' |
| 05:43.27 | karsten | django34: Your dhcp client should IMO log its IP to a logfile as well. |
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| 05:43.35 | nailbiter | django34: you might want to do a 'ifup --verbose eth0' beforehand to see if your dhcp client is failing or not |
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| 05:43.52 | karsten | nailbiter: No access to the box. Remote. |
| 05:43.59 | nailbiter | karsten: oh, eep. :) |
| 05:44.02 | django34 | karsten: Should I save the output of "ifconfig; route -n" to a file, or will the boot-up logging take care of it? |
| 05:44.02 | Mr_Smiley | ok i'm just going to get beta4, i'm just going to have to modify grub after i guess :) |
| 05:44.11 | karsten | nailbiter: ...or rather, no access at that point in time. |
| 05:44.16 | karsten | django34: Save to file. |
| 05:44.25 | karsten | django34: ...and not /tmp as that gets cleared at boot ;-) |
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| 05:44.36 | Guerin | hrm, Mr_Smiley yeah, it ain't all that impossible |
| 05:44.43 | Mr_Smiley | yeah.. |
| 05:45.02 | Mr_Smiley | are there any different servers to download it from |
| 05:45.23 | Cuga | Hey if apt is complaining about something when i try and uninstall something, i know its nothing important and not linked to anything, is there a way i can force it out? |
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| 05:46.00 | django34 | karsten: I'm adding these two lines to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh: "ifconfig > /var/log/TEMP_ifconfig.log" and "route -n > /var/log/TEMP_route.log". |
| 05:46.22 | django34 | karsten: Should the "ifup --verbose eth0" go in bootmisc.sh as well? |
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| 05:47.00 | karsten | django34: No, you should be catching it there. |
| 05:47.07 | nailbiter | Cuga: if you're really sure about what you're doing, use 'dpkg --force-depends <package1> <package2> ..'. |
| 05:47.17 | karsten | django34: ...though you can always add it later. |
| 05:47.21 | nailbiter | Cuga: i mean, 'dpkg --force-depends --remove <package1> <package2> ..' |
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| 05:47.37 | z0idb3rg | are there any console packet sniffer that allow to look at connections content (like ethereal's 'follow tcp stream')? |
| 05:47.42 | karsten | Anyone know of a tool to log *all* inet.d activity? |
| 05:47.48 | django34 | karsten: OK, here comes the reboot into debian... |
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| 05:48.01 | karsten | django34: Fingers & toes crossed. |
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| 05:48.06 | Cuga | nailbiter: yeah im sure cause its old ati kernel drivers that have since been replaced , so the postrm script fails on em cause they already gone.. |
| 05:48.08 | cray | Debian dudes and dudettes, i have a philosophical question for you. why do all the good OS's (Amiga, OS/2, linux, unix, BSD) dissappear/get bad press/arent widely adopted when the world's most hellspawned god-awful shit (Windows 3.1, 95, 98, nt, 98se, 2000, xp, me, 2003) are so "Popular" (according to polls) ? i'm just curious. it's not written in murphy's law anywhere. |
| 05:48.11 | Cuga | nailbiter: thanks |
| 05:48.21 | nailbiter | z0idb3rg: there's 'dsniff' |
| 05:48.36 | karsten | cray: Just because you're "popular" doesn't mean I'll respect you in the morning. |
| 05:48.36 | nailbiter | Cuga: if the postrm script is failing, --force won't really help. just remove the postrm script itself from /var/lib/dpkg/info. |
| 05:50.03 | rich_ | cray its because your reading the wrong press. Its because microsoft funds lot of comic book computer magazines. In fact unix has always been the industrial and academic standard. |
| 05:50.09 | mick_laptop | what can you do if a pakage (in this case rpm) segfaults? |
| 05:50.22 | mick_laptop | package* |
| 05:50.29 | z0idb3rg | nailbiter: ty |
| 05:50.35 | mick_laptop | download again? |
| 05:50.43 | karsten | rich_: s/always been/for the past 25 years been/ |
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| 05:51.39 | karsten | cray: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/FreeSoftwarePrimer |
| 05:51.50 | karsten | cray: That article has a lot to say on the question you just asked. |
| 05:52.34 | rich_ | karsten well I said unix, not linux, but I guess the significant figure would be, 20 years longer than windows. |
| 05:53.14 | karsten | cray: But what rich_ said: the press are largely coopted by marketing pressures (Microsoft has a SIX BILLION DOLLAR annual marketing budget), and don't reflect much of relity. |
| 05:53.17 | karsten | rich_: Da. |
| 05:53.55 | karsten | cray: By way of example, some years ago, WIRED magazine was running a bunch of glossy ads (paid for, of course), and articles (we have our suspicions) on Iomega's latest removable drive technology. |
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| 05:54.11 | karsten | ...at the same time, the magazine included its own colophon of stuff used in the making of the magazine. |
| 05:54.24 | karsten | cray: ...for removable media, it was magneto-optical all the way. |
| 05:54.35 | karsten | cray: Or for the shorter version: follow the money. |
| 05:55.02 | cray | i'm not sure i understand |
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| 05:55.11 | karsten | django34: Que pasta? |
| 05:55.13 | cray | follow the money <> magneto optical ? |
| 05:55.22 | karsten | cray: Understanding is a three-edged sword. |
| 05:55.27 | cray | hehe |
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| 05:56.17 | karsten | cray: No: despite the advertising bucks and press WIRED was giving Jazz and Zip drives, when it came down to their *own* hard-earned money and crucial data, they stayed well clear of that crap and bought _real_ systems. |
| 05:56.24 | django34 | karsten: OK, I'm back into the rescue mode and am looking at the logs I've printed out. |
| 05:56.40 | cray | ohhh |
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| 05:56.43 | cray | ohhh oh oh oh ok |
| 05:56.56 | django34 | karsten: The ifconfig log looks perfect (?!), but the route log is empty. |
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| 05:57.12 | karsten | django34: OK. Another thing you might want to do is try doing some network activity from the box. Eg: send yourself some email. That would list the hops taken. |
| 05:57.26 | django34 | karsten: rather, the route log displays no routes. It's not an empty file. |
| 05:57.28 | karsten | django34: Sounds like you're not getting a default gateway, or that it's bogus. |
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| 05:57.32 | cray | the computing industry is insane |
| 05:57.42 | karsten | cray: You're just realizing this? |
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| 05:57.47 | cray | hehe no |
| 05:57.51 | r00t_ | anyone on sarge ? |
| 05:57.53 | cray | just remarking on it |
| 05:58.18 | r00t_ | ? |
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| 05:58.32 | django34 | karsten: Where do I set the default gateway? Or is DHCP supposed to do that for me automatically? |
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| 05:58.34 | cray | well |
| 05:58.39 | cray | it was in conjunction with the following statement: |
| 05:58.45 | r00t_ | can you tell me what is the X version if you are on sarge ?thanks |
| 05:58.54 | karsten | django34: Your DHCP server should do that for you. Not sure how to test it as I don't trust the stuff myself. |
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| 05:59.15 | karsten | django34: ...actually, I lie. But that box is at work. You want to search for your network IP assignment in your logs. |
| 05:59.20 | cray | i mean we have brilliant innovators that came out with cool shit in the early 90's (amiga, Tar, Gzip, PKZiP, linux) and instead of everyone adopting the best one or combining all the best elements from everything into UberOS, we have 70 different OS's and a host of compression utilities. this is just a very minor example of course. |
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| 05:59.25 | karsten | django34: Should be /var/log/system or /var/log/daemon. |
| 05:59.47 | karsten | cray: marketing might will overcome a lot of good engineering. |
| 05:59.49 | django34 | karsten: /var/log/daemon.log is an empty file. /var/log/system doesn't exist. |
| 05:59.52 | cray | linux uses Tar.gz, windows uses .rar and .zip. why? gzipped tarballs are superior. |
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| 06:00.08 | karsten | cray: the Free Software movement is a big move to correct for that. |
| 06:00.15 | cray | yes |
| 06:00.20 | karsten | cray: Lock-in. |
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| 06:00.25 | Guerin | cray: inertia |
| 06:00.58 | karsten | django34: Hrm. Suggests the box isn't getting very far into its boot cycle or you don't have syslog enabled. What logs *do* you have? |
| 06:01.11 | spock_ | debian beta4 installer (and tc1) locks up at 50% during the grub install to the mbr, any ideas what could be going on? |
| 06:01.12 | r00t_ | can you tell me what is the X version if you are on sarge ?thanks |
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| 06:01.28 | Guerin | r00t_: /msg dpkg info xlibs sarge |
| 06:01.35 | karsten | r00t_: apt-cache show xserver-xfree86 |
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| 06:01.46 | cray | they say that GNU-software is like less than one tenth of one percent on any market but i think its bullshit. i think it's really starting to hit the big time; when 15% of AOL users use some form of *nix, then *nix has arrived :) right now i see home users "scared" of it. they think 'oh i dont want to relearn blah blah' where server and high-end commercial users are totally for it. |
| 06:01.49 | django34 | karsten: I have auth.log (which has "sshd[500]: Server listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22"), debug, dmesg, kern.log, messages and syslog. |
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| 06:02.15 | r00t_ | thanks |
| 06:02.16 | Guerin | cray: that's just inertia talking again |
| 06:02.29 | epsilon | can anyone explain me the result of poll about sarge? |
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| 06:02.50 | karsten | cray: well, Apache *owns* webservers w/ 60%+ (haven't checked Netcraft lately). And depending on the market, Linux completely owns. Likewise compilers. |
| 06:02.50 | rich_ | cray I think its because we had computers, they worked fine and then some smart guy got the idea of selling them to secretaries. The software really wasnt ready for secreataries at the time and so they complained. First impressions matter to those people a lot, they are still complaining. This made other companies think they could do better. So the softeware market for secretaries is crazy. Unix on the other hand went progressed at a nice s |
| 06:02.51 | rich_ | teady pace when all that was going on, linux became as good as the commercial unixs which historically cost thousands of dollars and didnt used to work on the kind of computers that secretaries use, but now it can. |
| 06:02.59 | Guerin | cray: when windows XP is EOLed and Longhorn is the only option for MS consumers, there will be a bunch of new learning for computer users to do. |
| 06:03.27 | karsten | django34: Hrm. |
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| 06:03.35 | cray | guerin: what makes longhorn so different? i havent looked into it |
| 06:03.39 | rich_ | oops sorry.. |
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| 06:04.19 | Guerin | cray: It's a whole different OS, with a whole differnet filesystem, permissions and ACL structure, and built on a totally different frammework. |
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| 06:04.37 | Guerin | It'll still look like windows, apparently, but it's supposed to be all different |
| 06:04.37 | rich_ | I heard that longhorn will charge people for updates and so I suspeck that the "horn" is a sexual reference. |
| 06:04.41 | karsten | django34: What's your IP on the RH box? How about we statically assign that and see if we can come up on it? |
| 06:04.47 | Guerin | !longhorn |
| 06:04.48 | dpkg | You know why it's called longhorn? Look at its logo: http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/ne/pg/fd/102703msft2.jpg, or wronghorn |
| 06:05.13 | karsten | django34: ...at least for the purpose of a single test boot. If it doesn't work, we've got another problem. If it does, your DHCP process is hosed and we look at that. |
| 06:05.42 | django34 | karsten: OK, I'll try assigning its static IP. (217.160.255.55) |
| 06:05.58 | Guerin | not to mention that it'll want an 800mhz chip and half a gig of ram, MINIMUM |
| 06:06.19 | Guerin | though by 2007 that shouln't be unreasonable |
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| 06:06.45 | MrHeh | Hello. |
| 06:06.45 | karsten | django34: ...and what's the default route? Add a gateway line as well. |
| 06:07.11 | bbmj | i know someone who ran win2k on a p75. it only took 14 min to boot! |
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| 06:07.21 | grizzlybear | Guerin: what OS are you talking about? |
| 06:07.32 | django34 | karsten: I changed /etc/network/interfaces to this. Does it look good? http://rafb.net/paste/results/97H1LT95.html |
| 06:07.34 | MrHeh | I just configured the driver for my wireless networking card. How do I actually set up the network settings to connect to the internet? (using dhcp) |
| 06:07.35 | Guerin | !context |
| 06:07.35 | dpkg | hmm... context is SCROLL UP, DAMMIT |
| 06:07.48 | spock_ | lol |
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| 06:07.52 | cray | long horn because its from texas ...? |
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| 06:08.09 | karsten | bbmj: Heh. Sounds like the time I tried booting RH 6.x on smaller and smaller MEM=# lilo boot options. At ~16 MB, it booted, but took about 20 minutes to get to a GDM logon screen. |
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| 06:08.22 | grizzlybear | Guerin: i just came, no can scroll up |
| 06:08.25 | karsten | django34: Sec. |
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| 06:08.32 | Guerin | grizzlybear: longhorn |
| 06:08.44 | karsten | django34: You sure about that netmask? Single IP? |
| 06:08.58 | karsten | django34: nemask should be 255.255.255.0? |
| 06:09.29 | bbmj | cray, that's just what it's been dubed for now.. win 95 was dubed chicago before it became win 95 |
| 06:09.49 | httpdss | django34: doesnt the broadcast have to bo different ?? |
| 06:10.04 | carrett | bbmj: really? |
| 06:10.09 | Guerin | bbmj: XP was windows.NET apparently |
| 06:10.19 | karsten | django34: That's a nonsensical assignment. |
| 06:10.30 | bbmj | Guerin, no. |
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| 06:11.03 | django34 | karsten and httpdss: I'm getting these numbers from the (working) RH partition...I suspect 1and1 (the hosting company) might be doing something strange? |
| 06:11.05 | Guerin | bbmj: whistler |
| 06:11.17 | Guerin | bbmj: but windows.NET was a name in the pipeline, too |
| 06:11.41 | bbmj | Guerin, could have been. but i've been out of that loop for awhile. |
| 06:11.45 | spock_ | when i try to install debian (installer beta4 and tc1) i get drive seek errors and ide channel resetts... any ideas what could be happening? |
| 06:12.26 | django34 | karsten: How can I get the better broadcast/etc values? |
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| 06:12.35 | karsten | spock_: Your hard drive is dying. |
| 06:12.36 | spock_ | is there some cd startup parm i could or should pass |
| 06:12.48 | karsten | django34: aptitude install aggregate, or talk to your network admin ;-) |
| 06:12.49 | spock_ | karsten: i was hoping for analternative answer :P |
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| 06:13.06 | Guerin | spock_: is the disk blank? |
| 06:13.25 | django34 | karsten: that one was over my head... :) |
| 06:13.35 | karsten | spock_: evil spirits are manifesting themselves in your computer. |
| 06:13.40 | spock_ | Guerin: yea, we just partitioned it |
| 06:13.51 | spock_ | karsten: most likley, i shouldnt have casted that last spell :P |
| 06:13.58 | karsten | django34: 'aggregate' is a package which computes CIDR network values given ranges of IPs and/or other options. |
| 06:14.02 | r00t_ | what if i need a file<a single file has no indepedency> which is in sid and im on sarge,and i change source list to sid do apt-get update and grab that file,after that i change it back to sarge,do apt-get update,this will ok ? |
| 06:14.14 | Guerin | spock_: try fsck ; also consider low level formatting it or /dev/zero |
| 06:14.24 | Guerin | r00t_: need? |
| 06:14.29 | wara | Anyone know of a nice graphical front-end to tools like Mondo Rescue that will allow me to build a custom include/exclude list, so I can make my emergency-recovery-cd-backup disk set smaller? (Currently 15 disks, I'd like to get it down to a core 5 disk set.) |
| 06:14.30 | karsten | spock_: It's possible that you've got a poorly seated card, bad bus speed, bad mobo speed, or some other options. |
| 06:14.54 | karsten | wara: lnx-bbc, knoppix, or tomsrtbt ;-) |
| 06:14.56 | spock_ | karsten: it didnt happen in mandrake, which is odd |
| 06:15.08 | r00t_ | yes,i need a file named 'libxft2' to fix the xft2 bug in debian |
| 06:15.28 | r00t_ | by default with the default xft2 lib its corrupted |
| 06:15.36 | karsten | spock_: That's why I suggested config settings. There's a few other things which can do this. Possibly hdparm settings. Not entirely clear on all of this. |
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| 06:15.42 | Guerin | r00t_: ah. if you just need that package, grab it from p.d.o and install with dpkg -i |
| 06:15.59 | Guerin | r00t_: don't fuck with sources.list unless it's really necessary |
| 06:16.06 | r00t_ | p.d.o ? |
| 06:16.15 | spock_ | karsten: i would do a hdparm thing, but is it possible during the install do modify this? |
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| 06:16.32 | django34 | karsten: So I need to find and install the 'aggregate' utility to get accurate network values for my IP? Can't I just try the ones from the RH install? |
| 06:16.37 | karsten | spock_: Not sure. That's why I think first and foremost it's HW ;-) |
| 06:16.55 | r00t_ | Guerin,i see,but would you give me the URL to download that file ? |
| 06:17.00 | karsten | django34: Well... I'm actually reinstalling it here (don't know how it got uninstalled). |
| 06:17.09 | django34 | karsten: Ah, OK. |
| 06:17.21 | S-Toned | r00t_: packages.debian.org |
| 06:17.23 | karsten | django34: ...and your *best* bet is to get good guidence from your NOC as to what values you should use. |
| 06:17.41 | r00t_ | oh im dumb,let me download it myself via http |
| 06:17.43 | r00t_ | brb |
| 06:17.44 | karsten | django34: ...about halfway through configuring packages. Unfortunately OOo is involved. |
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| 06:18.40 | karsten | Was running a system update at work on a slowish PIII 700 -- though the real problem is the slowest fucking disk this side of the Magellenic Clouds -- took most of two hours. |
| 06:18.54 | karsten | ...while I had ten kids trying to do Samba logons.... |
| 06:18.55 | mick_laptop | what port does apt-get use to connect to the remote server? |
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| 06:19.02 | karsten | mick_laptop: http |
| 06:19.08 | mick_laptop | 80 |
| 06:19.11 | karsten | mick_laptop: Which is usually a value very close to 80; |
| 06:19.30 | mick_laptop | very close to 80? |
| 06:19.32 | karsten | mick_laptop: Look at the protocol. Generally http or ftp. 80 or 22. |
| 06:19.49 | karsten | mick_laptop: In most practical field measurements, yes. |
| 06:19.57 | mick_laptop | 22 != ftp |
| 06:20.03 | mick_laptop | 22 = ssh |
| 06:20.13 | django34 | karsten: I'm calling the NOC right now... |
| 06:20.18 | karsten | mick_laptop: I always miss that one. |
| 06:20.50 | mick_laptop | 21 is ftp |
| 06:20.51 | karsten | django34: The range you gave is comprised of seven blocks, an 32, 31, 30, 29, 28, 29, 28, 28, and 29. |
| 06:21.02 | karsten | mick_laptop: grep ftp /etc/services |
| 06:21.14 | karsten | mick_laptop: ...that's my solution. |
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| 06:21.38 | Guerin | karsten: you sure it's not the slowest disk this side of the Hallelujah Mountains? |
| 06:21.40 | mick_laptop | also, why did you say "a number close to 80" |
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| 06:22.09 | mick_laptop | 79 = finger, 81 = HOSTS2 Name Server |
| 06:22.10 | karsten | Guerin: Exhaustive search. |
| 06:22.23 | karsten | mick_laptop: Because I'm paid by the word. |
| 06:22.41 | karsten | mick_laptop: admittedly, at an absurdly low rate. |
| 06:22.56 | karsten | mick_laptop: FYI, FTP can be any of 20 21 69 115 989 990 2431 2433 2121 8021 |
| 06:23.03 | mick_laptop | that explains why your still typing |
| 06:23.12 | karsten | ...depending on... |
| 06:23.24 | mick_laptop | ummm - no |
| 06:23.30 | karsten | ...temperature, humdity, pressure, or any of a number of other characteristics. |
| 06:23.33 | Guerin | karsten: I think it's just TMCS |
| 06:23.38 | karsten | Guerin: ? |
| 06:23.43 | Guerin | !tmcs |
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| 06:23.58 | Guerin | !tmcs is TOO MUCH COFFEE SYNDROME!!1 |
| 06:23.59 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 06:24.19 | karsten | Guerin: Chocalate soy-cream here.... |
| 06:24.27 | django34 | karsten: OK, what do those numbers mean? :) |
| 06:24.34 | karsten | Guerin: ...and some _very_ nice green tea. |
| 06:24.37 | karsten | django34: Which? |
| 06:24.41 | Guerin | mmm, green tea |
| 06:24.42 | mick_laptop | although those numbers say "ftp" - they aren't necissarily ftp |
| 06:24.48 | karsten | django34: 42, for example, carries special significance. |
| 06:24.58 | karsten | mick_laptop: Depeonds on what the meaning of 'is' is. |
| 06:25.06 | django34 | karsten: Just got off the phone with the NOC people. They gave me the address, netmask and gateway, but not the network or broadcast. Is that enough information? |
| 06:25.12 | mick_laptop | i'll just leave this one alone |
| 06:25.47 | httpdss | django34:yup |
| 06:25.49 | karsten | django34: Yes. network + netmask => nework + broadcast |
| 06:25.55 | karsten | django34: What'd they give you? |
| 06:26.19 | django34 | karsten: They gave me this: address 217.160.255.55, netmask 255.255.255.0, gateway 255.255.255.255. I need the network and broadcast. |
| 06:26.48 | LeeColleton | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.55 | karsten | network is 217.168.255.0, broadcast == 217.160.255.255 |
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| 06:27.15 | VChriZZ | hi |
| 06:27.34 | VChriZZ | about crontab ... */5 * * * * means every 5mins right? |
| 06:27.45 | django34 | karsten and LeeColleton: different answers for the network...Who's right? |
| 06:28.03 | karsten | django34: LeeColleton |
| 06:28.06 | karsten | django34: typo. |
| 06:28.12 | karsten | s/168/160/ |
| 06:28.23 | karsten | VChriZZ: Yes. |
| 06:28.26 | django34 | karsten: OK, n/p. I'll try those values for the static IP and reboot the machine. We'll see if it comes up. |
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| 06:28.32 | LeeColleton | django34: are you sure about those numbers? 255 should be reserved for broadcast... |
| 06:29.00 | karsten | LeeColleton: Not for the 3rd quad, if that's what you're referring to. |
| 06:29.05 | LeeColleton | as in 217.160.255.55 , the 255 should be 254 ?? |
| 06:29.09 | karsten | LeeColleton: Depends on how the block is allocated. |
| 06:29.33 | karsten | LeeColleton: 'whois 217.160.255.55' to see the netblock. |
| 06:29.54 | VChriZZ | hum... isnt it possible to run more than one cronjob at the same time? ive got following: http://nopaste.php.cd/20726 but only the first is being executed |
| 06:29.59 | karsten | LeeColleton: They've got a full /20. |
| 06:30.12 | LeeColleton | karsten: I stand corrected |
| 06:30.29 | cheecheeo | if a program has a bug that's been "resolved" in the bug tracking system, does that mean the bug has been resolved in all versions of the program, or just the newest version? |
| 06:30.38 | karsten | LeeColleton: As did I earlier ;-) |
| 06:30.49 | karsten | VChriZZ: Sure it is. Why do you think only one's being run? |
| 06:31.06 | Guerin | cheecheeo: only the newest package uploaded, usually. |
| 06:31.09 | karsten | VChriZZ: some schedule utilities (eg: batch) won't launch jobs when load average is high. |
| 06:31.15 | cheecheeo | Guerin: okay, thanks |
| 06:31.25 | omac | FYI the ISP provider I subscribe to has a large percentage of internet subscriber market in canada. I recently discover that since june 1st 2004 the default mail server people need to use is a hotmail based server but from within the ISP and you're force to use an MSN .passport password. I also have heard everyone at this ISP will be forced to transition to this new way in around 6 months. |
| 06:31.44 | LeeColleton | I'm trying to mount a compact flash card on my laptop (which works under 2.6.6) but with 2.4.26 I get an error on module loading "ds: no socket drivers loaded!" |
| 06:31.51 | Guerin | omac: and we care because... |
| 06:32.01 | karsten | omac: You can buy 3rd-party mail services for $5-10/mo personal use, and up. |
| 06:32.22 | VChriZZ | hum... got it... lol... its being executed, but i didnt see it ... dumb me :P |
| 06:32.32 | karsten | Guerin: Compulsory MS Passport usage *does* suck. |
| 06:32.37 | karsten | VChriZZ: I've done worse. |
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| 06:32.42 | Guerin | anyone who uses isp-providded mail addresses deserves all they get |
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| 06:32.58 | django34 | karsten: The debian box is answering pings! |
| 06:33.01 | karsten | ...thought a VNC session, at work today. |
| 06:33.04 | omac | FYI what is interesting about this ISP is that they only provide support for MAC OS/X along with Windows-based OS's. They don't provide any support and don't suggest it to its customer base. Their sales guys are agressive to sell this stuff. |
| 06:33.07 | django34 | karsten: Lemme try logging in... |
| 06:33.10 | karsten | django34: Sounds like DHCP is fuxnored. |
| 06:33.15 | karsten | django34: Sweet, though. |
| 06:33.33 | LeeColleton | omac: when they want to install a compulsory RFID implant, then I'll worry (especially if it's tied to MS Passport) |
| 06:33.39 | VChriZZ | hum... did someone ever have any experiences with www.fdcserver.net? |
| 06:33.55 | django34 | karsten: Ah, shit. It booted me into the recovery thing. That wasn't debian. |
| 06:34.08 | karsten | LeeColleton: Remind me to show you Johnn Gillmore's musings about RFID implants in auto tires and really smart Israeli roadside bombs. |
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| 06:34.11 | Guerin | VChriZZ: someone wrote it, so I expect they understand it |
| 06:34.15 | karsten | django34: Rats. |
| 06:34.27 | VChriZZ | Guerin: ? |
| 06:34.27 | django34 | karsten: lemme try again. It was my mistake. I forgot to unset the "recovery on" checkbox. |
| 06:34.35 | Guerin | VChriZZ: ? |
| 06:34.43 | VChriZZ | what do you mean? |
| 06:34.50 | karsten | Guerin: Dr. Scott! |
| 06:35.19 | Guerin | VChriZZ: the person who wrote it knows what it's about. whatever fdcserver.net is. |
| 06:35.38 | karsten | django34: silly you ;-) |
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| 06:36.10 | rich_ | omac part of the problem is they dont want you to compete with them. See the large isps also sell phone service, and the more voice over ip and sound files become popular the more email competes with phones. So they tried to regulate the content of what you send over the internet, but that was just a phase and the industry is supposed to be moving back towards a transport based media |
| 06:36.14 | omac | Guerin...it's because I am attempting to clarify a way to persuade people to jump to debian and use isp's that support debian. Is there a list of ISP's supporting Debian out there? |
| 06:36.15 | karsten | LeeColleton: RFID and, say, police states: http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2004-May/009843.html |
| 06:36.30 | kats2 | the "I'm cute" sign |
| 06:36.38 | kats2 | oops |
| 06:36.39 | VChriZZ | Guerin hum.... the person who wrote what? huh? what are you talking about? im just asking if someone ever used www.fdcservers.net and could tell me if they are ok/good/bad/... |
| 06:36.44 | karsten | kats2: Do tell. |
| 06:37.05 | pabs3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.09 | pabs3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.17 | karsten | omac: "debian-friendly ISPs" should be a pretty good Google search. |
| 06:37.19 | pabs3 | oops |
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| 06:37.36 | Guerin | omac: why should isps care what OS you use? Debian works with any isp who provides opportunities to connect via standard tcp/ip methods. |
| 06:38.10 | VChriZZ | karsten: debian friendly isps? heh .. ive got inode... they support debian and maintain an own debian mirror debian.inode.at |
| 06:38.15 | django34 | karsten: It's not responding to pings. Damn. |
| 06:38.18 | VChriZZ | another one in .at .... debian.mos.at :D |
| 06:38.19 | VChriZZ | heh |
| 06:38.19 | karsten | Guerin: Support costs. It's a question of what they'll support. Both their own training and scriptability of CSRs. |
| 06:38.22 | r00t_ | my ISP doesnt care what OS i use,but they never forgot to remind me to pay their dsl fee |
| 06:38.30 | karsten | django34: :-( |
| 06:38.47 | spock_ | i like bannanas... |
| 06:38.50 | rich_ | Ive used debian with aol. |
| 06:38.53 | Guerin | karsten: true enough |
| 06:38.55 | karsten | rich_: ?? |
| 06:39.22 | omac | <rich_> ...so how do we overcome the big telecom companies stronghold on services to make ISP's more accessible? What is your vision of what should happen to make it a more fair situation? |
| 06:39.23 | karsten | Guerin: Though the "don't use MSIE" directive from DHS is pretty cool. |
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| 06:39.36 | nailbiter | VChriZZ: you'll probably want to search through the forums on webhostingtalk.com instead. :) |
| 06:39.39 | django34 | karsten: What should I try next? This is horribly frustrating. |
| 06:39.45 | karsten | django34: Drugs? |
| 06:39.45 | spock_ | apples are good too |
| 06:40.00 | django34 | karsten: ha! |
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| 06:40.08 | Guerin | karsten: hell yeah |
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| 06:40.38 | Guerin | karsten: my mum even emailed me about that, thanking me for setting her up with gnu/linux :) |
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| 06:40.56 | karsten | django34: Let's puzzle through this. The box has to be booting somewhat. What did you get from your bootmisc.sh tweaks? ifconfig but no route, right? |
| 06:40.58 | Guerin | although she refers to it at "the linux thing" |
| 06:40.59 | karsten | Guerin: ;-) |
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| 06:41.29 | karsten | Guerin: That sounds a bit...arbitrary. |
| 06:41.40 | karsten | ...or ambiguous was the word I was looking for. |
| 06:41.40 | django34 | karsten: Yes, ifconfig but no route, but that was with DHCP...I have yet to see whether the static IP configuration had an effect on that...Just a sec. |
| 06:41.52 | karsten | django34: Take a look-see. |
| 06:42.04 | karsten | django34: What's route -n give you under RH, just for shits'n'grins. |
| 06:42.25 | django34 | karsten: Ooooh, this time the route log isn't empty. |
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| 06:43.02 | karsten | django34: Cool. Compare to known good. |
| 06:43.11 | django34 | karsten: Here's the route log from debian: http://rafb.net/paste/results/WODuzk10.html |
| 06:43.25 | KarlosII | is there a console prgarm that outputs screensize and refresh rate? |
| 06:43.42 | bcast | no gateway? |
| 06:44.01 | rich_ | omac They dont actually have a stranglehold, and its getting better by itself. I wish I had a solution but they are legistlative, and Im not a lawyer. |
| 06:44.04 | django34 | karsten: Anything you can deduce from that pasted route log before I reboot into RH? |
| 06:45.16 | rich_ | omac I mean I cant advise you to do anything illegal, but I will say my experience is that they prohibit things they have no way of knowing whether your doing or not. |
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| 06:46.45 | karsten | django34: Sec |
| 06:46.47 | rich_ | omac Like @home used to prohit everything, unless you ran their windows softeware. But they never complained when I used them. |
| 06:46.58 | rich_ | prohibit |
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| 06:47.26 | jarango | I'm using "transcode" to make dvd-compliant mpeg2 videos. Is it possible/allowed to change the bitrate ? |
| 06:47.29 | karsten | KarlosII: xvidinfo will give that, though it's not console. |
| 06:47.44 | KarlosII | karsten I'm looking for console though |
| 06:48.04 | KarlosII | the apt-cache isn't turning anything up |
| 06:48.05 | k-man1 | how do i reconfigure my networking in debian? |
| 06:48.24 | maher | k-man1: etherconf? |
| 06:48.27 | karsten | django34: No gateway / default route. You want something that looks like: |
| 06:48.28 | karsten | 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 06:48.42 | k-man1 | ah |
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| 06:48.44 | k-man1 | ill try taht |
| 06:49.06 | rich_ | omac I mean Their terms of service said no servers and specified, mail servers and then their softeware had a mail server. |
| 06:49.17 | k-man1 | maher, theres not like a dpkg-reconfigure type command? |
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| 06:49.30 | karsten | django34: ..or in your case, more like 0.0.0.0 217.168.255.254 ug 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 06:49.33 | maher | k-man1: i don't think so |
| 06:49.45 | k-man1 | ok |
| 06:49.46 | k-man1 | thaks |
| 06:49.47 | karsten | rich_: Funny, that.. |
| 06:49.48 | k-man1 | thanks |
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| 06:50.15 | rich_ | karsten Yes it was a way to discriminate against people who didnt use windows |
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| 06:50.24 | kuru | where does 'xlsfonts' get its font name from? |
| 06:50.27 | django34 | karsten: I'm about to take a look at the output of "route -n" under RH. |
| 06:50.41 | Guerin | !fgi kuru |
| 06:50.43 | dpkg | kuru: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 06:50.48 | karsten | django34: Um. They said your gateway is 255.255.255.255 ? |
| 06:50.57 | karsten | django34: That doesn't make sense. |
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| 06:51.08 | kuru | Guerin: it dooesn't say. |
| 06:51.19 | Guerin | kuru: then nobody knows |
| 06:51.21 | karsten | django34: ...that's the broadcast to get DHCP, but it's not a valid broadcast address. It's localnet broadcast, basically. |
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| 06:51.26 | kuru | Guerin: so unless yuo already know the answer is out there and you've seen it, quit being an idiot |
| 06:51.32 | kuru | Guerin: and just repeating what everyone says |
| 06:51.35 | django34 | karsten: Yup, that's what the guy told me... |
| 06:51.39 | karsten | KarlosII: SVGATextMode figures out a lot of stuff. |
| 06:51.48 | karsten | django34: Get some of what he's smoking. |
| 06:51.50 | django34 | karsten: Full output of route -n is at http://rafb.net/paste/results/lYrRjb93.html |
| 06:52.11 | karsten | django34: 10.255.255.1 |
| 06:52.15 | Guerin | kuru: how the fuck am I being an idiot? I can think of two other ways to find out this information, both of which would be more likey to get the answer than asking in an unrelated irc channel |
| 06:52.27 | karsten | django34: That's your gateway. |
| 06:52.30 | Guerin | kuru: and how am I repeating what anyone says? |
| 06:52.37 | kuru | Guerin: wow, I am really impressed. |
| 06:52.45 | karsten | Guerin: Well, you're repeating kuru ;-) |
| 06:53.04 | django34 | karsten: OK, thanks...And does that change my network and/or broadcast? |
| 06:53.08 | karsten | django34: And your internal IP appears to be 10.255.255.1. Looks like you've got two NICs. |
| 06:53.23 | karsten | django34: ...erm. Hold that. |
| 06:53.25 | django34 | karsten: Two NICs...Perhaps that's how they achive the ramdisk recovery? |
| 06:53.39 | karsten | django34: Paste 'ifconfig' |
| 06:53.51 | karsten | django34: I may be wrong on that. |
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| 06:54.15 | django34 | karsten: here's ifconfig: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Y1FfTp56.html |
| 06:54.21 | kuru | Guerin: despite the fact that #debian can have its occasional jerk, this is by far the channel populated with most knowledgeable people on freenode. The only other way I can find out how it "really" gets the name is by looking at the source. As a "before I have to do that" I was hoping someone here might know. Especially that both google and #xfree86 are not giving me any answers. |
| 06:54.37 | kuru | Guerin: So excuse me for asking a question here, mr. holier than thou |
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| 06:55.21 | KarlosII | karsten i want to grep the ouput print it from within a script |
| 06:55.27 | jarango | I'm using "transcode" to make dvd-compliant mpeg2 videos. Is it possible/allowed to change the bitrate ? |
| 06:55.36 | Guerin | kuru: 1) read the doc with the package 2) google 3) check the source 4) email and ask the maintainer or author 5) ask a channel of random people |
| 06:55.53 | Guerin | swap 2 and 3 as you please |
| 06:56.13 | karsten | django34: Interesting. |
| 06:56.14 | kuru | Guerin: what are you? 12? |
| 06:56.26 | django34 | karsten: There's more going on here than meets the eye, eh? |
| 06:56.29 | Guerin | kuru: the main issue is not that you've not done it right, it's that you DON'T think you've done it wrong |
| 06:56.34 | maher | kuru: aren't you named after a brain disease? |
| 06:57.03 | karsten | KarlosII: Dig. There's some X informational tools whose names I forget but you might try 'ls /usr/X11R6/bin/x*inf* |
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| 06:57.15 | kuru | Guerin: Precisely. Because I have done 1, 2 and now 5. I don't think your list is some kind of holy book of "order to go by". Sorry. |
| 06:57.15 | karsten | django34: It's a weird address. |
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| 06:57.21 | KarlosII | hmm |
| 06:57.29 | httpdss | django34: Bcast:217.160.255.55 ?????? |
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| 06:57.42 | kuru | Guerin: sing if I asked the author there is absolutely no point asking in a channel ;) |
| 06:57.51 | kuru | Guerin: if the author doesn't know, someone like you sure hell won't know ;) |
| 06:58.09 | omac | <kuru> ....what exactly are you wanting to do please? If it's just to configure a Network Interface Card(NIC) just use ipconfig and go look at the HOW-TO for this ipconfig and for networking linux. |
| 06:58.12 | Guerin | kuru: well, the author might not respond, for any of a million reasons |
| 06:58.24 | kuru | omac: umm.. wrong person ;) |
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| 06:58.48 | Guerin | hrm... shall I try asking someone who will definitely know the answer, or asking people who are very unlikely to know... I wonder which would be better... |
| 06:58.51 | kuru | in either case, #debian obviously doesn't have osmeone with an answer.. big deal. |
| 06:58.55 | karsten | django34: I won't claim to have CIDR / netmask stuff down by heart, but a mask of 255.255.255.25 looks odd. |
| 06:58.59 | kuru | Guerin: it's usually a 5 minute task |
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| 06:59.10 | omac | kuru what's the question....I'm listening. |
| 06:59.14 | kuru | Guerin: "Does anyone know how ..." .. <no response> .. or "No". .. move on. |
| 06:59.27 | kuru | Guerin: and you move on, unless interrupted by someone like you. |
| 06:59.33 | django34 | karsten: Which values should I try? And do you still think something's messed up with their DHCP server? |
| 07:00.06 | karsten | django34: Well, if that's what you are *using*, it's what I'd suggest you use. |
| 07:00.09 | kuru | omac: I wanted to where 'xlsfonts' gets the font names from exactly. |
| 07:00.17 | rich_ | kuru If you had been whineing about what your problem was instead of about what other people say then at least more people would know what your problem is. |
| 07:00.20 | karsten | django34: ...I'm just trying to figure out what the fscking *network* value is from that. |
| 07:00.57 | kuru | rich_: it's not really a problem -- and it's something very specific, so I had a 1% chance someone mihg tjust happen to know.. if not, no biggie, I go to the lists. |
| 07:01.05 | omac | hangon I'll go look it up for you. |
| 07:01.14 | karsten | django34: Wait. Your IP address *is* the b'cast addr. |
| 07:01.20 | karsten | django34: That just doesn't make sense. |
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| 07:01.56 | django34 | karsten: Yeah, it's certainly strange. |
| 07:01.57 | karsten | django34: Doh. mask is 255.255.255.255. Single IP assignment. |
| 07:02.14 | karsten | django34: ...which now makes sense. Cursor was covering the last 5. |
| 07:02.36 | django34 | karsten: I'll take your word for it. This started getting over my head a while ago. :) |
| 07:03.07 | django34 | So the netmask is 255.255.255.255, the network is 217.160.255.0, the broadcast is 217.160.255.255 and the gateway is 10.255.255.1 ? |
| 07:03.07 | omac | kuru I highly suggest you read this. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO/. In there it discusses the fontpath. Search for font path in this doc and you will find what you need. |
| 07:04.27 | eddyp | in case you don't know, the sc changes will be postponed until after the release of sarge :) |
| 07:04.51 | karsten | django34: You want: address 217.160.255.55; netmask 255.255.255.255; network 217.160.255.55; broadcast 216.160.255.55; gateway 10.255.255.1. |
| 07:04.59 | karsten | django34: ...I think. But that doesn't look right. |
| 07:05.15 | django34 | karsten: I'll put those in and try it. |
| 07:05.20 | karsten | django34: The reason being that a gateway address should be on *your* local net, but it's where you send all traffic that's destined elsewhere. |
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| 07:05.45 | karsten | django34: ...per what you've shown me, what I've given you is what you're using under RH. But with what I know about networking, it won't work. |
| 07:06.20 | django34 | karsten: So I shouldn't even try? |
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| 07:07.03 | karsten | django34: Try it. One of could be wrong. And it might give us other ideas. |
| 07:07.18 | karsten | django34: I'd question the ipconfig output, it doens't smell right. |
| 07:07.29 | KarlosII | hmm xdpyinfo and xwinfo don't give refresh rate.......... |
| 07:07.31 | django34 | karsten: OK, here I go... |
| 07:07.58 | karsten | django34: Another thing we might want to do is a broadcast ping from RH to see what else is on the local net. Or if you've got MTR, what your immediate upstream is. |
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| 07:08.17 | karsten | !tell django34 about mtr |
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| 07:08.43 | streuner_ | mhall: hey dude :-) |
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| 07:09.50 | django34 | karsten: I appear to have mtr already installed here on my laptop. |
| 07:09.55 | wara | I'm trying to get my debian testing box to boot up with a 2.6 series kernel. I have tried Grub and Lilo, and no matter what I do, I get "VFS: Cannot open root device "<whatever>" or unknown-block(<###>,<###>)". I have a motherboard with the HPT366 UDMA66 controller. It works fine in 2.4. Ideas? |
| 07:10.16 | streuner_ | Does the script (/msg dpkg nospambot) work with X-Chat? |
| 07:10.44 | karsten | django34: You want to run it _from_ the remote host. Though going to it might also be illustrative. |
| 07:10.48 | streuner_ | wara: so its a custom kernel? |
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| 07:10.53 | avu | streuner_: I don't think so, it's designed for irssi. |
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| 07:11.03 | streuner_ | avu: hmm |
| 07:11.13 | wara | With grub, I am sure that the boot device (hd0,1) works, because the tab completion in grub shows me my ext3 partition. (And yes, I have the ext3 filesystem statically compiled into my customkernel, as well as HPT366 support). STREUNER: yes, custom kernel. Earlier tried debian kernel, same results. |
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| 07:11.26 | avu | streuner_: But since it isn't that komplex it should be easy to 'port'? |
| 07:11.31 | deadcat | i am trying to map something in vim to do :1,$ s/^M//g but i am having trouble with the ^M, any idea? |
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| 07:12.22 | streuner_ | wara: ok, next question, did you read BTS? |
| 07:12.29 | wara | I have also tried it with and without the kernel argument append=" ide=reverse" |
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| 07:12.52 | wara | streuner_: BTS? This is a source tarball of the Linux 2.6 kernel from www.kernel.org, how would the debian BTS relate to it? |
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| 07:13.10 | django34 | karsten: debian didn't come up. Booting into rescue mode. |
| 07:13.12 | streuner_ | wara: in case you used an official kernel (2.6.x) |
| 07:13.23 | w00b | when i am not root, i cant startx.. can someone help me? |
| 07:13.34 | omac | deadcat ....do you mean you are trying to type the control-M. If so do ctrl-v and then ctrl-m. I hope this helps. |
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| 07:13.50 | streuner_ | w00b: try 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' again |
| 07:13.54 | karsten | django34: OK. |
| 07:14.13 | deadcat | omac: ya. that. but in a macros |
| 07:14.21 | streuner_ | w00b: maybe 'dpkg-reconfigure xbase-clients', not sure. |
| 07:15.03 | deadcat | can i use hex to search something in vim? |
| 07:15.10 | wara | I tried one, it did the same thing. I am sure it is related to my HPT366 onboard UDMA66 controller. In kernel 2.4, my hard drive device is /dev/hdf, but in 2.6, I wonder if it's hdb, because the boot messages show that the UDMA channels are enumerated first, so I see that they are /dev/hda and /dev/hdb for primary and secondary connector on the HPT366 chipset. For some reason, I think that I should be sending in "root=/dev/hdb3" as a co |
| 07:15.39 | karsten | deadcat: ?? |
| 07:15.43 | karsten | deadcat: Not afaik. |
| 07:15.53 | karsten | django34: brb. Switching systems. |
| 07:16.03 | deadcat | doh. |
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| 07:17.19 | zzra949 | hi all, I'm still fighting a problem where /dev2/root gets mounted as / instead of /dev/hda3, preventing me from enabling quotas. Anybody have any ideas about this? |
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| 07:18.09 | omac | deadcat...I don't recall. May I suggest you use emacs instead? alt-x query-replace. And to get help with the key bindings in emacs go help manual list key bindings, there is couple to record/play macros in there. |
| 07:18.13 | adaba | buenos dias desde españa |
| 07:18.29 | w00b | actually, it was xserver-common |
| 07:18.29 | w00b | lol |
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| 07:19.34 | adaba | alguien que me ayude a hablar en eapañol |
| 07:19.47 | streuner_ | w00b: i said - not sure ;-) |
| 07:19.50 | karsten | !spanish |
| 07:19.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 07:19.57 | httpdss | django34: did you try iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 07:20.10 | karsten | httpdss: That's where we started. |
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| 07:20.28 | django34 | httpdss: Yes, I tried that first. |
| 07:20.30 | karsten | django34: Do you have a DHCP client under your Debian install? |
| 07:20.44 | django34 | karsten: I just checked the debian logs. This time the route log was empty. |
| 07:21.02 | karsten | django34: OK. *Which* dhcp client do you have installed? |
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| 07:21.42 | django34 | karsten: I'm not sure. Which packages should I look for? |
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| 07:22.12 | adaba | ahi alguien de españa |
| 07:22.12 | karsten | django34: pump, dhcp-client, dhcp3-client, udhcpc |
| 07:22.54 | w00b | !set up x |
| 07:22.55 | dpkg | [set up x] To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 07:23.31 | django34 | karsten: Do I do a "dpkg | grep pump" to get that? My background is in rpm. :-| |
| 07:23.53 | karsten | django34: dpkg --get-selections | egrep '(pump|dhcp)' |
| 07:23.54 | Guerin | !tell django34 about search |
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| 07:24.02 | karsten | Guerin: Can it for now. |
| 07:24.13 | Guerin | karsten: can what? |
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| 07:24.19 | django34 | Guerin and karsten: Thanks. (Sorry for the newbie question.) |
| 07:24.30 | karsten | django34: NP. |
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| 07:24.42 | django34 | karsten: I have dhcp-client installed. No pump. |
| 07:25.21 | karsten | django34: OK. That should be fine. |
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| 07:26.08 | Guerin | karsten: Eh, can what? |
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| 07:26.21 | django34 | karsten: Did you say you wanted me to do a broadcast ping from RH? |
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| 07:26.30 | karsten | Guerin: The n00b advice to django34. He's doing what he can. |
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| 07:26.44 | karsten | django34: Yeah, let's see what the neighborhood looks like. |
| 07:27.05 | django34 | karsten: Do you think that'd work from the recovery ramdisk, or should I take the time to reboot into RH? |
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| 07:27.15 | Guerin | karsten: he needs to know about search options. the method you told him might help him for the immediate term, but he will need to know the other methods eventually. |
| 07:27.19 | karsten | django34: Similarly, a bit of snooping around with iptraf might be interesting if you're on a shared net. |
| 07:27.39 | karsten | django34: If you can chroot into either RH *or* Debian from the ramdisk, you should be able to run pretty much whatever. That's why chroots rock. |
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| 07:27.52 | karsten | Guerin: Point. I'm just trying to keep it helpful. |
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| 07:28.15 | karsten | Guerin: ...and he's up to his eyeballs, and is generally clueful. So I'm cutting some slack ;-) |
| 07:28.20 | django34 | karsten: Ah, I see. Cool. So what's the command -- "ping -b", once I'm chrooted into RH? |
| 07:28.25 | exeel | can someone help me with my router? when it trys to route packets, it displays header information to stdout |
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| 07:28.51 | Guerin | karsten: as was I. A !tell action isn't automatically patronising, and doesn't presume someone is being lazy and useless. |
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| 07:29.01 | Guerin | karsten: but we understand each other. |
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| 07:29.14 | karsten | Guerin: Yes WRT understand. |
| 07:29.28 | karsten | django34: Pinging the broadcast address should be sufficient. Probably need to run as root. |
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| 07:29.53 | karsten | django34: ...erm. No, no need to run as root. |
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| 07:30.24 | simonrvn | w00b: please turn that off |
| 07:30.50 | django34 | karsten: "ping 217.160.255.55" => "64 bytes from 217.160.255.55: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.062 ms" |
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| 07:31.13 | w00b | i cant connect to X server from a normal user |
| 07:31.14 | karsten | django34: ramdisk? |
| 07:31.14 | w00b | :| |
| 07:31.18 | w00b | no matter what i do, it seems |
| 07:31.20 | django34 | karsten: Yup, ramdisk. |
| 07:31.23 | karsten | django34: ...what's your *current* 'ifconfig' output? |
| 07:31.30 | streuner | w00b: what did you do? |
| 07:31.44 | w00b | i removed xserver-xfree86 and reinstalled it |
| 07:31.50 | django34 | karsten: http://rafb.net/paste/results/NsnLeH17.html |
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| 07:32.01 | w00b | it will run as root |
| 07:32.07 | w00b | but thats not exactly what i want it to do.. :/ |
| 07:32.20 | streuner | w00b: sure, something deleted your Xwrapper file... |
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| 07:33.03 | w00b | Xwrapper.config is there |
| 07:33.08 | streuner | w00b: dunno how you can regenerate it, i thought dpkg-reconfigure xbase-clients would do the tric |
| 07:34.00 | smol | hello. I've configured my X server for my ATI RADEON 7000, but it seems the 3d hardware accelaration isn't working (well, tuxracer is running too slow. that was the way i found to test 3d accel.)... how do I see if my 3d accel. is working? thanks. |
| 07:34.15 | karsten | django34: Try mounting /proc |
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| 07:34.28 | w00b | allowed_users:anybody |
| 07:34.43 | karsten | django34: OK, yeah, that should be your broadcast. Looks like it's just you and the router. |
| 07:34.44 | w00b | sorry |
| 07:34.57 | karsten | w00b: Kill that. *NOW* |
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| 07:35.34 | Phated | Yeah, w00b, or we'll kill you. *hint* ;) |
| 07:35.44 | w00b | i think my problem is that a normal user doesnt have access to even read that file |
| 07:35.45 | django34 | karsten: OK, proc has been mounted. Output of ifconfig is essentially the same. |
| 07:35.49 | karsten | Phated: People was looking for you. |
| 07:35.57 | Phated | karsten: Yeah,who? |
| 07:36.04 | karsten | django34: Yeah, that won't change much, but some stuff should work better. |
| 07:36.13 | Guerin | Phated: drijen has sent your package |
| 07:36.14 | karsten | Phated: drijen |
| 07:36.31 | Phated | Guerin, karsten: Brilliant, yes, drijen sent me a memo, thanks. :) |
| 07:36.37 | Guerin | Phated: now where's my messenger tip? |
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| 07:36.41 | Guerin | ah |
| 07:36.45 | Phated | Guerin: Haha. |
| 07:36.49 | Guerin | obsoleted by memoserv |
| 07:36.58 | karsten | Heh. |
| 07:37.02 | Phated | Yes, obsoleted indeed. :0 |
| 07:37.05 | Phated | :) |
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| 07:39.03 | cj | How does one modify the metric of a route using /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 07:39.20 | karsten | cj: With extreme prejudice. |
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| 07:39.35 | cj | karsten: dork |
| 07:39.45 | karsten | cj: You know me well. |
| 07:39.51 | cj | :) |
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| 07:40.26 | karsten | django34: Anyhow, that little exercise didn't tell us much but doesn't disconfirm that you're pretty much on a dedicated single-IP subnet. |
| 07:40.44 | mhall | streuner_ 'lo |
| 07:40.44 | karsten | django34: ...though as you're configured, if you weren't, you wouldn't be seeing other traffic anyway. |
| 07:41.00 | xinming | anyone here would tell me which filesystem should I use If there is a partation larger than 20G? |
| 07:41.02 | w00b | how do i restart the X server> |
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| 07:41.04 | django34 | karsten: Does this information change what I should put in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 07:41.10 | xinming | reiserfs or ext3? |
| 07:41.20 | Loplin | For somereason mozilla keeps trying to download index.php from phpmyadmin instead of display it, anyone know why? I have php4 installed, and the the module is in the httpd.conf file |
| 07:41.22 | karsten | xinming: Pretty mucn anything but vfat. |
| 07:41.40 | mhall | can anybody provide a tip for getting IPv6 working from behind my university's paranoid symmetric NAT that will not allow Teredo tunnels? |
| 07:41.43 | django34 | Loplin: Make sure your Apache is outputting the correct mime type for php files. |
| 07:41.44 | karsten | xinming: reiser, ext3, xfs, jfs. Take your pick. ext3/reiser are best known. |
| 07:41.50 | mhall | my university's internet is sux |
| 07:42.01 | karsten | mhall: ...that's just a small tip. |
| 07:42.17 | karsten | mhall: WTF is a Teredo tunnel? |
| 07:42.30 | django34 | Loplin: Add this to your http.conf: "AddType application/x-httpd-php php" |
| 07:42.41 | Loplin | is application/x-httpd-php right? |
| 07:42.44 | xinming | karsten: well,If Linux can support NTFS as M$ supports,I might use ntfs.lol |
| 07:42.51 | mhall | karsten it uses UDP encapsulation of xored ipv6 packets to traverse NAT |
| 07:42.53 | xinming | karsten: Which will get the better performace? |
| 07:42.53 | karsten | django34: I'm pretty much calling myself stumped on your problem, though I'd be interesting in hearing how you solved it. |
| 07:43.11 | mhall | karsten it works on cone and restricted NAT but not symmetric |
| 07:43.13 | maher | Loplin: do what the readme in /usr/doc/whatever says - and restart the browser if you have |
| 07:43.15 | karsten | xinming: If Linux supported NTFS as well as MSFT, I *definitely* wouldn't touch it. |
| 07:43.24 | karsten | mhall: SSH tunnels? |
| 07:43.28 | mhall | karsten it is impossible to predict ahead of time what source ip any of my packets will have |
| 07:43.47 | django34 | karsten: All right...No problem. Thanks *very much* for your time and help for the past few hours. |
| 07:43.48 | karsten | xinming: jfs/xfs are reported to give better performance, but specifics vary with usage. |
| 07:43.52 | mhall | karsten primary objection to ssh is that the ipv6 providers do not support it |
| 07:44.11 | smol | I have a dual boot system (Debian and WinXP). I setup the date in Debian, but when I log in WinXP, the date is changed! Then I setup the date in WinXP and when I log in Debian, the date is wrong again! What am I doing wrong? |
| 07:44.19 | mhall | karsten secondarily i have never been able to get ssh to be anything but horribly slow even with fast ciphers and compression |
| 07:44.27 | karsten | mhall: I'm suggesting you tunnel out to another known point and gateway traffic through it. Why doesn't that work for you? |
| 07:44.42 | Phated | smol: Using WinXP. ;) |
| 07:44.48 | karsten | mhall: You can use *no* cipher. Just forward. |
| 07:45.28 | zzra949 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.33 | karsten | smol: Set both sides to use a remote time server, do a net set time (IIRC) in XP at boot, and run ntp-simple on Debian. |
| 07:45.49 | karsten | smol: ...if you *must* boot XP and keep it happy, set your HW clock to localtime rather than UTC. |
| 07:46.09 | xinming | karsten: At least I can check the filesystem while I am using windows. ;-) my lady should use windows,As she knows nothing about Linux. :'( |
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| 07:46.16 | xinming | karsten: well,then in a 20G partation,which will get the better performace? reiserfs or ext3? I know reisferfs will get the better performace than ext3 while a partation is about 3G. |
| 07:46.16 | karsten | mhall: ...or IIRC netcat does some mean-ass stuff. |
| 07:46.27 | smol | karsten: localtime? could you give some hint of how to do this? |
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| 07:46.31 | Phated | xinming: Well, why not teach her? :) |
| 07:46.32 | xinming | karsten: And if the partation is about 500M,you'd better try ext3.But don't know about that the partation larger than 20g |
| 07:46.39 | django34 | karsten: Thanks again for your help. I'm off to get some much-needed sleep. See ya 'round. |
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| 07:47.00 | xinming | Phated: well,If she is better than me, how can I show my ability... :-P |
| 07:47.13 | karsten | xinming: at 20 GB it's probably a wash for most use. Reiser does really well for directories with lots of files. *Any* journaling FS has some overhead (journal state). |
| 07:47.14 | Guerin | xinming: priorities.... |
| 07:47.16 | madcheez | hello, anyone know the easiest way I can get all of the duplicates out of a txt file? |
| 07:47.19 | mhall | karsten the trick with your idea is that the only box i have i can relay through is on a DSL with a 128kilobit upload cap |
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| 07:47.30 | Phated | xinming: This is so typical! Why, oh why do all men have to be better at their laides at computers? |
| 07:47.32 | mhall | karsten and my goal is to provide service for many people |
| 07:47.35 | Guerin | madcheez: man uniq |
| 07:47.36 | Phated | ladies* |
| 07:47.44 | karsten | mhall: assymetric routing ;-) |
| 07:47.48 | Loplin | django34: Okay, 'AddType application/x-httpd-php .php' is already in there, should the '.' not be in there/ |
| 07:47.49 | Guerin | madcheez: you might also want to look at sort and other tools |
| 07:47.50 | mhall | Phated that sentence was too confusing to process |
| 07:48.09 | karsten | mhall: Take your requests via the 128. Feed 'em through the Uni pipe. |
| 07:48.17 | Phated | mhall: Er, doesn't seem so to me. |
| 07:48.17 | mhall | karsten yummy stuff, were it possible, but source route packets get rejected these days |
| 07:48.20 | madcheez | Guerin: sweet, thanks |
| 07:48.33 | mhall | Phated read it again |
| 07:48.45 | Guerin | nah, it's grammatically sound, although you could have put "at computers" before "than" |
| 07:48.46 | Phated | WHICH sentence, mine? |
| 07:48.48 | xinming | Phated: lol.well,She is an accountant,And She has more things to do rather than learning Computer.In fact,I am glad to share my knowledge,no matter who.But we must face the reality... have to work. |
| 07:48.55 | Guerin | ah |
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| 07:49.03 | karsten | mhall: Hrm. I don't think it's source routing. It's shipping stuff out one pipe after getting the request from another. |
| 07:49.06 | Phated | Guerin: Ahh, thanks for pointing that out. |
| 07:49.06 | mhall | Guerin no it's not sound |
| 07:49.07 | Guerin | my auto-grammar-corrector is working overtime |
| 07:49.15 | Guerin | mhall: you're right |
| 07:49.19 | karsten | mhall: ...something I've mostly heard of in spam contexts. |
| 07:49.21 | Phated | xinming: Ah, it's sad then... |
| 07:49.25 | Loplin | hmm, didn't notice, he left :P |
| 07:49.30 | mhall | karsten let's see |
| 07:49.38 | mhall | karsten i am having a tough time visualizing |
| 07:49.47 | xinming | karsten: Thanks,I will search the article about this. ;-) bbl |
| 07:49.58 | w00b | xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unable to connect to X server |
| 07:49.58 | w00b | xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error. |
| 07:50.01 | w00b | thats as a normal user |
| 07:50.07 | mhall | karsten if i could find a good shell, i'd be ok, but most come with little bandwidth |
| 07:50.09 | karsten | mhall: get a dialup. Get your SMTP replies via dialup. Send your bulk through a cable provider. I'm butchering this badly. news:news.admin.net-abuse.email has discussion. |
| 07:50.22 | xinming | BTW: What fs does main debian server use? :-) do you know? |
| 07:50.24 | karsten | mhall: Yeah. |
| 07:50.25 | mhall | karsten ack, that's for mail, not ipv6 |
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| 07:50.33 | karsten | mhall: Truth. |
| 07:50.46 | karsten | mhall: but it's all protocols, innit? |
| 07:50.51 | mhall | karsten i have thought about it a lot, i'm mostly stumped |
| 07:50.56 | karsten | mhall: How's your Uni broken WRT ipv6? |
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| 07:51.08 | karsten | mhall: better stumped than rooted. |
| 07:51.14 | mhall | karsten ssh and/or ipv4 vpn would be the ideal fixes if the tunnel people supported those |
| 07:51.33 | mhall | karsten but they only support weird protocols with ip protocol numbers that piss off the PIX |
| 07:51.48 | xinming | anyone here know? what fs does this server (ftp://ftp.debian.org) use? |
| 07:51.54 | mhall | karsten my university has a class B subnet of its own and refuses to use direct addressing |
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| 07:52.10 | mhall | karsten formerly, every node had its own static 138.9.x.x address |
| 07:52.15 | epsilon | can anyone recommend me a Gigabit network card for woody/2.4.26? |
| 07:52.22 | mhall | karsten then, the idiots discontinued this claiming it was insecure |
| 07:52.39 | karsten | mhall: SPOC. |
| 07:52.53 | mhall | karsten but any moron knows you can make it secure by using BGP to route everything through a central point for inspection |
| 07:52.56 | mhall | karsten SPOC? |
| 07:52.59 | karsten | !spoc |
| 07:52.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, spoc is single point of control |
| 07:53.14 | mhall | karsten single point of control? |
| 07:53.19 | mhall | karsten how is that relevant? |
| 07:53.21 | smol | How do I enable 3d hardware acceleration? |
| 07:53.21 | karsten | If they're natting everying. In theory. |
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| 07:53.28 | mhall | karsten bullshit |
| 07:53.33 | karsten | Or is this a publicly addressible subnet? |
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| 07:53.47 | mhall | karsten 138.9 is a real block we really own |
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| 07:53.57 | mhall | karsten class B, whole thing, got it years ago |
| 07:54.04 | karsten | mhall: It's not bullshit in the bureacratic logic space. |
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| 07:54.12 | mhall | karsten yeah it is |
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| 07:54.13 | karsten | mhall: NM. |
| 07:54.21 | mhall | karsten because direct addressing is 100% as secure |
| 07:54.48 | karsten | OK, can you define "direct addressing" vs. whatever's in place now? |
| 07:54.53 | Guerin | !tell smol about ati |
| 07:55.00 | Guerin | smol: ati is right, isn't it? |
| 07:55.00 | S-Toned | Is it possible to change the default nice/prio value when the pc is up and running, so that everything started from now on won't affect the responsiveness of the machine? |
| 07:55.25 | mhall | karsten direct addressing would be giving each node in our network its own 138.9 either by DHCP reservation / mac address or by static assignment |
| 07:55.26 | karsten | S-Toned: And why would you want to do a dumb-ass thing like that? |
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| 07:55.47 | karsten | S-Toned: ...and it *won't* have the effect you're looking for. |
| 07:55.56 | mhall | karsten right now we have it like this: a random bank of 138.9s is used by a cisco pix as our outside presentation to the net |
| 07:56.18 | mhall | karsten then on the inside, 10.10, 10.15, 10.20, and 10.30 are different campuses and security areas |
| 07:56.28 | karsten | mhall: ...and anything inside is arbitrarially assigned an address depending on temperature, pressure, and humidity? |
| 07:56.31 | S-Toned | karsten: I was afraid someone would say something like that. |
| 07:56.35 | mhall | karsten and all of our traffic gets horribly munged by the PIX which breaks everything |
| 07:56.36 | karsten | mhall: ...and how isn't that a NAT? |
| 07:56.44 | mhall | karsten it IS a NAT |
| 07:57.00 | mhall | karsten a symmetric NAT, the worst kind of all because it breaks the most stuff |
| 07:57.22 | mhall | karsten and it is horribly unnecessary and adds no security |
| 07:57.23 | karsten | S-Toned: You _might_ want to look at ulimit, which might do what you're looking for. |
| 07:57.40 | mhall | karsten because number one we have 65,000 addresses and only about 10-15000 nodes |
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| 07:57.49 | S-Toned | karsten: Thank you. I'll look. |
| 07:57.57 | Guest_453 | Hello ! |
| 07:58.05 | mhall | karsten and number two, the same security could be had without sacrificing direct addressing |
| 07:58.08 | karsten | S-Toned: Problem: once you've started doing this... |
| 07:58.13 | mhall | karsten so it's very very frustrating |
| 07:58.16 | karsten | ...other processes will get lower nice values and: |
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| 07:58.22 | Guerin | smol: please don't message me |
| 07:58.45 | karsten | 1. They will contend for one another for processor timeslices. So you're not _overall_ reducing box contention, just creating a process subclass. |
| 07:58.58 | Guerin | smol: I don't have any 3d hardware and I know basically fuckall about it... but if you follow the links in that factoid and ask in-channel, you might get some help |
| 07:59.03 | mhall | karsten so my problem is that the it department won't give me static addressing |
| 07:59.08 | karsten | 2. You _will_ have a privileged class of processes having lower nice values. |
| 07:59.28 | karsten | 3. There's more to contention than the processor run queue. Particularly including I/O blocking. |
| 07:59.29 | mhall | karsten so that means my attempts to research ipv6 and network security are being majorly hampered |
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| 07:59.58 | karsten | S-Toned: Far better IMO to find the set of processes you want to elevate and renice them upwards rather than affecting the default. |
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| 08:00.08 | mhall | karsten i have gone through the various connection methods, 6to4, tunnels, and teredo, and none will work with this crackbrained topology |
| 08:00.16 | karsten | S-Toned: ...and 4. There's probably a zillion cases of software that assumes 20 == normal. |
| 08:00.22 | mhall | karsten i am about at the end of my rope, and it's about time i started a war |
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| 08:00.44 | S-Toned | karsten: Listens to me as if I have to read a lot. |
| 08:00.58 | mhall | karsten how about some warren zevon records? |
| 08:01.06 | karsten | mhall: Those too ;-) |
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| 08:01.23 | karsten | mhall: I think what you need.... |
| 08:01.26 | mhall | karsten i particularly am a fan of "my shit's fucked up" because it is |
| 08:01.40 | karsten | ...is a crucial administration project that requires directly addressible servers. |
| 08:01.54 | karsten | mhall: Time to investigate layers 8, 9, & 10 of the OSF protocol. |
| 08:02.11 | zzra949 | sorry to be a pest... anyone at all know why nonexistant /dev2/root is mounted on my / fs, instead of /dev/hda3 on / which is in fstab? |
| 08:02.12 | avu | That's where most problems are. |
| 08:02.14 | karsten | mhall: Have to admit I'm less familiar with Zevon than I should be. |
| 08:02.30 | karsten | zzra949: cat /proc/mounts. There too? |
| 08:02.34 | mhall | karsten i'd mircslap you but i can't cause i'm using bitchx |
| 08:02.44 | mhall | !troutslap karsten |
| 08:02.47 | simonrvn | bitchxslap him then |
| 08:02.48 | zzra949 | karsten: yes, /dev2/root there too |
| 08:02.50 | mhall | i think that does it |
| 08:02.59 | mhall | dpkg hello |
| 08:02.59 | dpkg | hola |
| 08:03.01 | karsten | mhall: is that for the 8-10 comment or not knowing enough Zevon? |
| 08:03.05 | karsten | zzra949: OK. |
| 08:03.07 | madcheez | Guerin uniq isnt working for some reason |
| 08:03.11 | mhall | karsten not knowing Zevon |
| 08:03.13 | madcheez | Guerin hmm.. weird |
| 08:03.15 | mhall | karsten :-) |
| 08:03.31 | mhall | karsten but if you want to assign it to the 8-10 comment feel free |
| 08:03.34 | karsten | mhall: What uni? |
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| 08:04.07 | mhall | karsten university of the pacific, stockton, ca |
| 08:04.07 | zzra949 | karsten: any idea how to fix it? I can't enable quotas-- [rightfully] complains /dev2/root doesn't exist |
| 08:04.13 | mhall | karsten (usa) |
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| 08:04.18 | karsten | mhall: Politics, money, and religion should *not* be underestimated in network operations. |
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| 08:04.29 | mhall | karsten i don't underestimate them |
| 08:04.44 | mhall | karsten apparently the bullshit NAT idea was the product of our outside risk analysts |
| 08:04.56 | mhall | karsten bean counters who understand nothing about networking |
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| 08:05.13 | mhall | karsten and our networking team was too chickenshit to stand up for proper implementation standards |
| 08:05.16 | karsten | mhall: Home of Chris Isaac & Dave Brubeck. |
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| 08:05.32 | mhall | karsten yes, you are correct |
| 08:05.33 | jarango | are audio bit rates expressed per channel or overall ? |
| 08:05.43 | Guerin | jarango: overall |
| 08:05.44 | karsten | mhall: Did my own stint in SacTown, currently in Napa. |
| 08:05.50 | mhall | karsten also home of one incorrigible bastard of a security specialist (i.e., me) |
| 08:05.52 | karsten | jarango: Per Gig. |
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| 08:05.58 | jarango | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:06.00 | karsten | mhall: Muwahaha |
| 08:06.16 | jarango | karsten: what ? |
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| 08:06.25 | karsten | jarango: Exactly. |
| 08:07.16 | mhall | karsten muwahaha what? |
| 08:07.44 | karsten | mhall: Isn't that the signature call of the security specialist? |
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| 08:08.34 | karsten | mhall: Anyhow, what you're describing is classic level 8/9 impedence. |
| 08:08.34 | mhall | karsten no, my signature is complicated, 5-page, devastatingly comprehensive, cynical, and honest analyses of bullshit it policy proposals |
| 08:08.45 | mhall | karsten 8/9 impedence? |
| 08:08.52 | karsten | mhall: Never underestimate the power of a zinging one-liner... |
| 08:08.59 | karsten | mhall: ...or manaical laughter. |
| 08:09.13 | karsten | mhall: You're familar with the seven-layer OSF network model. |
| 08:09.18 | mhall | karsten i stay away from those because i am flamebait enough as it is |
| 08:09.46 | mhall | karsten they are always looking for ways to claim i insult them so they can trivialize and ignore me |
| 08:10.02 | mhall | karsten which then forces me to combat them on grounds of censorship |
| 08:10.04 | karsten | s/OSF/OSI/ |
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| 08:14.33 | yacyac | hey how many cd is debain |
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| 08:15.10 | simonrvn | 0. debian woody is 7. first one is usually the only one needed |
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| 08:15.48 | yacyac | how many cds is debian 3 |
| 08:15.54 | Phated | 1. |
| 08:16.17 | Guerin | yacyac: debian 3 == woody |
| 08:16.20 | Phated | Without packages, that is. Only the base system. |
| 08:16.24 | simonrvn | yacyac: um, is your background the same colour as your text? |
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| 08:16.41 | yacyac | i havnt installed |
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| 08:17.02 | yacyac | i just got 1 cd from a friend |
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| 08:17.06 | yacyac | he says its debian woody |
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| 08:17.28 | Phated | In that case, is hould be painfully obvious that Debian woddy is one CD. |
| 08:17.31 | Phated | woody* |
| 08:17.32 | Guerin | yacyac: if it's the first cd, then you can install debian with it |
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| 08:17.43 | Phated | it should* |
| 08:17.49 | yacyac | what are other cds for |
| 08:17.59 | Guerin | yacyac: extra packages |
| 08:18.03 | Phated | Packages, which you can install with apt-get later. |
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| 08:18.13 | Guerin | yacyac: if you don't have them, you can download them instead |
| 08:18.16 | nailbiter | yacyac: the first disc is enough to set up a base system with; you can then use that to pull the rest off the network. |
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| 08:18.22 | Guerin | download the packages, I mean |
| 08:18.28 | yacyac | k |
| 08:18.28 | Guerin | !tell yacyac about fundamentals |
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| 08:19.10 | S-Toned | karsten: ulimit says: "Caveat: Heaven help you if you screw this up." Sounds not sane enough to me (considering my skills). For a start I would be pleased if I had a *feeling* about the system as if it would run "fluently". I don't want to tune anything up. Just mouse and keybd should respond smoothly. |
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| 08:19.38 | Guerin | !beer S-Toned |
| 08:19.49 | karsten | S-Toned: Your CPU timeslice is the single biggest factor there. |
| 08:19.58 | yacyac | how much space do i need for installing this |
| 08:20.01 | karsten | S-Toned: ...followed by a responsive disk subsystem. Swapping kills. |
| 08:20.18 | Guerin | yacyac: depsnds how much you want to install |
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| 08:20.30 | Guerin | yacyac: anything from 200MB to 2GB |
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| 08:21.00 | yacyac | k |
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| 08:21.04 | Guerin | !k |
| 08:21.04 | dpkg | FFS, how hard is it to type the o as well? See also <sms-over-irc>, <2>, <lol>, <ne1> K stands for KILL, which is what we'll do if you don't stop being a l4m3r... |
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| 08:22.20 | ddnncc | hi all, someone remember the command to show which option the kernel is launched at boottime? i'm trying to see what kind of voodoo is using knoppix to set the framebuffer on my radeon... =) |
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| 08:22.30 | nailbiter | Guerin: you were born an english teacher, i think :) |
| 08:22.53 | nailbiter | ddnncc: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 08:23.03 | Guerin | ddnncc: I can't quite understand what you're after |
| 08:23.09 | ddnncc | nailbiter: tanks |
| 08:23.18 | Guerin | nailbiter: heh. Yeah, I've always been a language nazi |
| 08:23.26 | Phated | Emphasis on Nazi. |
| 08:23.32 | Phated | ;) |
| 08:23.53 | Guerin | Phated: I studied german in high school, as well... |
| 08:24.08 | Phated | Guerin: Ah... |
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| 08:24.55 | nailbiter | Guerin: ever had students submit papers in sms shorthand? :) |
| 08:25.18 | ddnncc | Guerin: i've tried to set the framebuffer, but it was a no go (with the 2.6.x series of kernel), knoppix works instead, so before to diff the kernels, i wan't to look if i'm wrong with the options... |
| 08:25.34 | Phated | nailbiter: Perisht he thought. |
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| 08:25.43 | Phated | Yipes. Perish the thought, I mean. |
| 08:25.50 | Guerin | nailbiter: no. Mercifully. |
| 08:25.57 | cahoot | Guerin: fighting for a noble but in the end lost case |
| 08:26.05 | Phated | Not true, cahoot. |
| 08:26.06 | Guerin | (mercifully for them, I mean :[ |
| 08:26.23 | Phated | Guerin: Heh. |
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| 08:26.37 | cahoot | Phated: linguistic purism is bound to loose in the end |
| 08:26.43 | cahoot | lose |
| 08:26.48 | Phated | cahoot: I can tell. ;) |
| 08:26.54 | Guerin | cahoot: it's not about purism. |
| 08:26.57 | nailbiter | well, they say that pedantry is a losing game, but you've got to draw the line somewhere. :) |
| 08:27.08 | cahoot | Phated: ;) - taking the not native excuse |
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| 08:27.14 | nailbiter | i mean, look at bash.org! |
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| 08:27.50 | Guerin | cahoot: I'm fully supportive of regional dialects, and colloquialism and vernacular... but it has its place. |
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| 08:28.02 | Phated | cahoot: I'm not precisely native either. |
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| 08:28.17 | Guerin | Phated: when did you learn english? |
| 08:28.24 | Phated | And, Guerin: That place being, not an international forum? :) |
| 08:28.50 | Guerin | Phated: that place being: within a community of people who have agreed upon the use of a certain mode of speech |
| 08:28.54 | Phated | Guerin: Well, it's not my mother tongue, but I picked it up as a kid, anyway. It's the first language I spoke. |
| 08:29.07 | Phated | Guerin: Indeed. |
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| 08:29.23 | Guerin | Phated: you are a native speaker. You can be a native speaker of two or more languages, you know |
| 08:29.27 | cahoot | Guerin: I sympatize with you but history learn us that the majoritys use of language will become the norm |
| 08:29.38 | Guerin | cahoot: that's not true at all |
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| 08:29.45 | Phated | Guerin: Well, yeah. I was using a technicality. :) |
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| 08:29.52 | nailbiter | cahoot: s/learn us/teaches us/ :) |
| 08:30.00 | nailbiter | cahoot: sorry, couldn't resist. :) |
| 08:30.12 | Phated | nailbiter: Haha, good for you. :) |
| 08:30.22 | cahoot | Guerin: it is true |
| 08:30.28 | Guerin | cahoot: technology and politics have a much larger role in language adoption and linuguistic spread far more than population |
| 08:30.51 | Guerin | s/spread/spread,/ |
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| 08:32.01 | Guerin | cahoot: what was the most important language in europe between 100BC and 1600AD? |
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| 08:32.35 | nailbiter | cahoot: well, i think it's more like a tug-of-war, really. :) pop culture and everyday expediency on one hand, linguistic tradition on the other .. |
| 08:32.40 | cahoot | Guerin: depends on who you were at the time - peasant or priest |
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| 08:33.33 | Guerin | cahoot: no, the MOST IMPORTANT language - the single language which was used by more people in europe than any other single language |
| 08:34.38 | cyberyo | io |
| 08:34.49 | Guerin | the answer is Latin, because latin was used in the lands encompassed by the modern Italy, France, Germany, spain, portugal and the british isles |
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| 08:35.24 | Guerin | nailbiter: nah, I'm a celt :) |
| 08:35.30 | cahoot | Guerin: yes - and? |
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| 08:35.54 | nailbiter | They say that those, plus the Roman broadsword, were the standard tools in teaching Latin. :) |
| 08:35.54 | Phated | cahoot: And Latin is one of English's roots. I think. |
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| 08:36.46 | cahoot | Phated: english has a lot of roots afaik |
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| 08:37.03 | Phated | cahoot: Yes, I know that also. Oh well. Ask Guerin. :) |
| 08:37.14 | Guerin | cahoot: the reason latin spread and was adopted was because it was well documented and standardised, it had a strong adacemic and political userbase, and most importantly, its users were aggressively expansionistic |
| 08:37.41 | Guerin | cahoot: yeah, english is probably the most complicated language in the world, when you look at its origins |
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| 08:38.36 | cahoot | Guerin: had the defenders of orginal 'english' prevailed the language would have been much poorer |
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| 08:38.51 | Guerin | cahoot: what was "original" english? Which one? |
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| 08:39.06 | Assid | hrmm.. anyone know of a url to configure dialup on terminal ? |
| 08:39.06 | Phated | There is none. :) |
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| 08:39.33 | nailbiter | cahoot: Supposing the Angles and the Saxons didn't invade? :) Or supposing the Romans didn't? Or later, the Vikings? Which would be original? |
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| 08:39.36 | cahoot | Guerin: you tell me - I'm just trying to press the point that resistance to the majoritys use of language is futile in the end |
| 08:39.43 | Guerin | cahoot: even in england, english was only used by commoners until the 15th century or so - anyone of any importance spoke french and wrote latin |
| 08:39.53 | mETz | why are the xfree packages in unstable/experimental named "dfsg"? |
| 08:39.54 | Guerin | cahoot: MAJORITY is irrelevant |
| 08:40.11 | mETz | the version number that is |
| 08:40.11 | Guerin | cahoot: otherwise, why aren't we all speaking Mandarin Chinese? |
| 08:40.15 | Phated | cahoot: INFLUENCE is what matters. |
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| 08:40.22 | cahoot | Guerin: majority's use of language is what counts in the end |
| 08:40.27 | Phated | Ahem, I speak Mandarin. |
| 08:40.32 | Guerin | !info xlibs sid |
| 08:40.40 | dpkg | xlibs: (X Window System client libraries metapackage and XKB data), section libs, is optional. Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-5 (sid), Packaged size: 384 kB, Installed size: 2600 kB |
| 08:40.49 | Guerin | cahoot: when is the end? What you're saying is logically flawed. |
| 08:40.49 | mick_laptop | under the beta4 netinstaller, what files do i need to create the two boot disks (ppc installer)? In the past (under woody) i needed root.bin and boot-floppy-hfs.img |
| 08:40.54 | mick_laptop | i can't find those under the mini.iso |
| 08:41.04 | Guerin | Phated: I'd hazard you're one of a handful in this channel of 100 people... |
| 08:41.22 | Guerin | mETz: ah, sorry |
| 08:41.31 | Guerin | !dfsg |
| 08:41.31 | dpkg | hmm... dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 08:41.33 | Phated | So about thirty people here do? Awesome. |
| 08:41.42 | dido | hi... i am having problems with apt.It does not let me install anything beacuse of some dependencies problems |
| 08:41.46 | cahoot | Guerin: of course there is no 'end' wrong choice of word but I thought/think you understand what I mean |
| 08:41.54 | nailbiter | mETz: dsfg = debian free software guidelines. the original xfree86 packages had some bits ejected from them because they violated the DSFG .. |
| 08:41.59 | mick_laptop | dido: man apt (and look for --fix-broken) |
| 08:41.59 | dido | i tried apt-get -f install as suggested but it does not work neither |
| 08:42.02 | Guerin | mETz: they're called dfsg because they've been modified to fit the debian free software guidelines |
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| 08:42.11 | mETz | nailbiter: ahh, so only some broken gfx drivers I don't have to worry about |
| 08:42.47 | Guerin | cahoot: no, I don't. No matter how you slice it, population of people speaking a language is less important than the ability to preserve, standardise and enforce that language on others. |
| 08:43.10 | Guerin | cahoot: hence why chinese people are clmouring to learn english, but english-speakers are not clamouring to learn chinese. |
| 08:43.12 | Phated | In other words: The number of people like Guerin around. |
| 08:43.19 | dido | mick_laptop: i tried already apt-get -f install but it didnt solve the problem |
| 08:43.33 | Guerin | Phated: yeah. I do often resent my role in the westernisation of asia. |
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| 08:43.35 | mick_laptop | dido: ^^^ |
| 08:43.47 | dido | any idea?! |
| 08:43.56 | Phated | Guerin: Ahh, it's OK. |
| 08:43.56 | mick_laptop | dido: _read_ what i said |
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| 08:44.20 | mick_laptop | <mick_laptop>dido: man apt (and look for --fix-broken) |
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| 08:44.56 | simonrvn | Guerin: yeh, i would too in your shoes |
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| 08:45.05 | nailbiter | mick_laptop: you might have to grab the floppy images separately from -- http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-powerpc/current/images/powerpc-small |
| 08:45.24 | simonrvn | nailbiter: there's floppy images? |
| 08:45.36 | nailbiter | simonrvn: looks like it, yeah. :) |
| 08:45.38 | Guerin | simonrvn: I justify it by trying to teach my students about the world outside korea and US TV. |
| 08:45.50 | nailbiter | simonrvn: i have no idea if they actually boot on an oldworld powermac or not .. |
| 08:45.52 | simonrvn | Guerin: good for you |
| 08:46.01 | cahoot | Guerin: I'm not speaking of language/cultural domination but of the 'mutation' of a given language in a daily use |
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| 08:46.26 | mick_laptop | is progeny.com a reliable mirror? |
| 08:46.39 | mick_laptop | i never heard of it |
| 08:46.40 | Guerin | simonrvn: yeah, innit. |
| 08:46.50 | Guerin | mick_laptop: it's not a debian mirror |
| 08:47.08 | Guerin | cahoot: the same principles apply. |
| 08:47.16 | mick_laptop | i mean, is it a reliable place to grab a boot floppy |
| 08:47.19 | simonrvn | nailbiter: well, always a looksie, and some ML reading ;) |
| 08:47.56 | simonrvn | hmm, certainly looks promising |
| 08:48.30 | Guerin | cahoot: hence why americanisms of english are very widespread, whereas indian-isms aren't - there are nearly three times as many indian native speakers of english as there are americans, but they don't control media or printing presses or academia to anything like the same degree that the US does |
| 08:48.44 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 08:48.58 | Phated | Exactly. Power, not number. |
| 08:49.04 | Phated | Ooh, nice catchphrase. :) |
| 08:49.45 | simonrvn | nailbiter: you must've guessed i was an oldworld user from my query about ppc floppy images ? :) |
| 08:49.54 | cahoot | Guerin: ther's no such thing as right or wrong when it comes to the use of a language - what most people do with the lang will become the accepted way to use it |
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| 08:50.17 | nailbiter | simonrvn: well, i've been on the channel for a while. :) |
| 08:50.23 | Guerin | cahoot: your first statement is true. your second statement is pure bullshit, for all the reasons I'm not going to repeat now |
| 08:50.24 | mhall | Guerin no need to throw a wobbly or get cheesed off and cause a curfuffle |
| 08:50.37 | Guerin | !britsmite mhall |
| 08:50.48 | mhall | Guerin if the Indianism have hit a sticky wicket, get together and publish a slang lexicon |
| 08:51.36 | nailbiter | simonrvn: i guess running Linux is the only viable option left for oldworld'ers .. apple having abandoned us. :) |
| 08:51.48 | mhall | Guerin being non-british, i consider that not to be much of a smite |
| 08:51.49 | Guerin | cahoot: you can say it until you're blue in the face, but until people start using the infinitive/present tense for everything because it sounds cool (a common feature of Indian speech), you're talking shit |
| 08:51.55 | mhall | Guerin i only have pastrami |
| 08:51.57 | Guerin | mhall: sure, I know |
| 08:52.08 | Guerin | mhall: best kind of roast beef ever :P |
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| 08:52.37 | cahoot | Guerin: your use of bullshit sort of gives me right ;) |
| 08:52.59 | mhall | Guerin corned beef is good too |
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| 08:53.13 | mhall | Guerin i like plain roast beef well as long as i have some spicy salt... |
| 08:53.13 | trueno | Hi! Can anyone help me with xfs? I get at startup these msgs: Jul 3 10:41:43 abantos xfs: ignoring font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/ (unreadable) |
| 08:53.20 | Guerin | mhall: pastrami is just corned beef which has been cured in a special way |
| 08:53.29 | Guerin | mhall: but yeah, I do love corned beef |
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| 08:53.35 | cahoot | Guerin: I sincerely doubt an upper class englishman from the 1930's would use that word in writing in public |
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| 08:53.59 | mhall | Guerin pastrami i think is a spicy roast beef, not a corned beef |
| 08:53.59 | Guerin | cahoot: no, but a middle-class New Zealander from the 2000s sure would |
| 08:54.13 | mhall | Guerin corned beef gets put into a tenderizing acid |
| 08:54.18 | Guerin | mhall: nope, it's corned beef, cured and smoked and spiced |
| 08:54.23 | cahoot | Guerin: yup - that's what evolution does to a language |
| 08:54.25 | k-man1 | i have this trange problem, for some reason, dhcp doesn't work, but i can manualy set the ip and see the network |
| 08:54.26 | Guerin | mhall: traditionally, anyway |
| 08:54.34 | k-man1 | how can i track down why dhcp might not be working? |
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| 08:54.51 | mhall | Guerin weird because the pastrami i get doesn't have the corned texture |
| 08:54.57 | mhall | Guerin it has roast beef texture |
| 08:55.11 | mhall | Guerin maybe the us screwed it over |
| 08:55.26 | simonrvn | nailbiter: yup. they have. *grmbl* |
| 08:55.29 | mhall | Guerin cause all of it i have seen is like roast beef but spiced, maybe smoked |
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| 08:56.22 | Guerin | mhall: yeah, I've had both |
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| 08:56.56 | Guerin | mhall: sometimes it's sort of shiny and flakey like corned, other times it's like roast |
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| 08:57.10 | Guerin | mhall: I've never had US style though :P |
| 08:58.10 | simonrvn | k-man1: logs logs logs logs |
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| 09:00.33 | mauser | how can i run some application (netwatch for example) at startup without logging in in some terminal, i heard it is done by modifying inittab |
| 09:01.13 | mhall | Guerin the us style goes toward roast |
| 09:01.23 | Guerin | mhall: hrm, same idea, different method |
| 09:01.29 | mhall | Guerin what country are you in |
| 09:01.31 | Guerin | mhall: http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/ck_culinary_qa/article/0,1971,FOOD_9796_1696221,00.html |
| 09:01.38 | Guerin | mhall: I'm in Korea, but I'm from NZ |
| 09:01.47 | trueno | I get these msgs at startup: "Jul 3 10:41:43 abantos xfs: ignoring font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/ (unreadable)" Must be something silly but I can't find why xfs complains... |
| 09:01.49 | mhall | Guerin ah-ha |
| 09:01.54 | mick_laptop | heh, in an unretated issue... i'm setting up an old compaq... since it was one of those that couldn't boot from cd (the BIOS was wiped while partitioning... don't ask if you don't know), anyhow - i install debian (sarge) on a different machine, then moved it to the compaq. Now it starts grub just fine.. then it goes to "booting" and restarts the system |
| 09:01.56 | Guerin | South Korea, of course |
| 09:01.59 | Hamled|Erp | Guerin, and what are you doing in Korea? |
| 09:02.00 | mick_laptop | and it just goes in cycles |
| 09:02.07 | Guerin | teachin' inglish |
| 09:02.09 | mick_laptop | any ideas? |
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| 09:02.12 | Hamled|Erp | ah |
| 09:02.13 | mhall | Guerin hey, what did you think of the nz government privatization i was reading about the other day? |
| 09:02.14 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 09:02.15 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and a handful of starving ostriches. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 09:02.20 | Hamled|Erp | with a crazy kiwi accent :| |
| 09:02.30 | mick_laptop | i knew someone would say that |
| 09:02.30 | Guerin | mhall: ah, i should read more about home politics |
| 09:02.33 | mhall | Guerin i saw an article from the guy who spearheaded it, but he is obviously gonna be biased |
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| 09:03.22 | mick_laptop | anyone know why grub might keep rebooting the machine when it goes to the stage where it says "booting...." |
| 09:03.57 | mick_laptop | i guess its not a good idea to just move one hdd over to another comp? |
| 09:04.11 | mhall | mick_laptop it's supposed to say rebooting but there is a bug, the left out the re |
| 09:04.56 | mick_laptop | mhall: why does it keep rebooting after i choose the kernel (both don't work btw) |
| 09:05.06 | mhall | mick_laptop it's a bug |
| 09:05.13 | mick_laptop | oh |
| 09:05.15 | mick_laptop | ok |
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| 09:05.52 | mhall | !tell mick_laptop about YHBT YHL HAND |
| 09:06.02 | mhall | !tell mick_laptop about YHBT. YHL. HAND. |
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| 09:06.18 | mhall | !tell mick_laptop about yhbt yhl hand |
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| 09:06.20 | nailbiter | mhall: ack .. a kuro5hin'ism? :-P |
| 09:06.37 | mhall | nailbiter i had it defined, i think my factoid got forgotten |
| 09:06.44 | mhall | nailbiter fux0r |
| 09:06.46 | Guerin | mhall: gutted |
| 09:06.53 | Phated | mhall: Maybe you want to define them one by one to him. |
| 09:07.01 | mhall | nailbiter and no it's not from kuro5hin |
| 09:07.14 | mhall | nailbiter it's from kibology |
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| 09:07.34 | nailbiter | mhall: that probably predates my time on the 'net then. :) |
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| 09:07.58 | rich_ | thanks everyone, bbl |
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| 09:08.11 | mhall | !tell mick_laptop about YHBT YHL HAND |
| 09:08.40 | mick_laptop | stop mhall |
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| 09:09.47 | mhall | mick_laptop sry, was too fun to pass up |
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| 09:11.28 | kuru | how do I cp files recursively excluding on dir name (which gets repeated in different heirarchies) ? |
| 09:11.53 | Guerin | kuru: what do you mean different hierarchies? |
| 09:12.27 | Petro | why are there no modules with 2.6.5-rc3-ben0? |
| 09:12.39 | Eclipser | kuru, won't -r do? |
| 09:12.39 | kuru | Guerin: for example, dir1/hoho/hi/hoho/hello/hoho dir1/hoho/her/hoho/say/hoho |
| 09:12.43 | Guerin | Petro: because whoever compiled it compiled it without modules |
| 09:12.49 | Petro | ok |
| 09:13.00 | kuru | that's a bad example |
| 09:13.02 | kuru | heh |
| 09:13.10 | Guerin | kuru: yeah, I don't know what you want to do |
| 09:13.19 | Petro | so should i recompile it with modules or can i compile just the modules? |
| 09:13.34 | kuru | Guerin: I want to copy files from one cvs working directory to the next without including the CVS/ dirs with their control files ;) |
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| 09:14.10 | kuru | Eclipser: -r would overwrite the dir's contents by the one I don't want to copy |
| 09:14.18 | trueno | How can I fix this? "xfs: ignoring font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/ (unreadable)" Permissions seem to be ok and path exist |
| 09:14.20 | kuru | I don't want to do a cvs export and then copy them. |
| 09:14.23 | Guerin | kuru: right |
| 09:14.31 | trueno | path->paths |
| 09:14.35 | Eclipser | kuru, yep, I just didn't understand you the first tiem :) |
| 09:14.40 | kuru | I am _sure_ there is a one-liner to do this. |
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| 09:14.48 | Guerin | kuru: I can't think of a smart way to do it, though |
| 09:14.49 | kuru | Eclipser: yeah, I didn't make any sense ;) |
| 09:14.55 | kuru | hrmm. |
| 09:15.02 | SJr | Has anyone install the NViDIA drivers on 2.6.6 I can't figure this out. |
| 09:15.26 | Guerin | SJr: many people have, I expect |
| 09:15.27 | kuru | it's not so much a shell script, should be a one-liner at the prompt. |
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| 09:15.42 | kuru | I am trying to figure out how I can do a combination of find, grep and xargs to accomplish this |
| 09:15.59 | SJr | Guerin have you? |
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| 09:16.19 | Guerin | SJr: no. It's too non-free for me. |
| 09:16.32 | SJr | Hmmmm how do you use hardware acceleration on your card then? |
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| 09:16.44 | Eclipser | SJr, there ARE other cards than nVidia too |
| 09:16.46 | Guerin | SJr: I don't |
| 09:16.51 | SJr | oic |
| 09:16.57 | SJr | well in any case. |
| 09:17.12 | Guerin | SJr: I only have one box with a tnt2 in it, and that's basically useless for modern 3d anyhow |
| 09:17.37 | nort0n | i really dont like to have the nvidia binaries |
| 09:17.40 | Guerin | nort0n: cards are never free, they're hardware |
| 09:17.46 | mick_laptop | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=187848 found the bug |
| 09:17.54 | mick_laptop | how can i comment on it? |
| 09:17.58 | Guerin | nort0n: yeah, I dunno about good foss 3d drivers |
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| 09:18.15 | mick_laptop | in the past i've mainly used bugzilla for bug tracking |
| 09:18.18 | mick_laptop | :/ |
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| 09:18.37 | nort0n | Guerin: yeah, i understand that :) |
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| 09:19.13 | siretart | is GR 2004-03 already decided? whats the outcome? |
| 09:19.13 | nort0n | so all graphics harware manufacters release non-free drivers? |
| 09:19.58 | SJr | Anyway I get -> Performing cc_version_check with CC="cc". |
| 09:19.58 | SJr | ERROR: |
| 09:19.58 | SJr | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.58 | SJr | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:19.59 | SJr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:20.00 | mick_laptop | nort0n: basically - yua |
| 09:20.04 | Guerin | mick_laptop: from the full text of the response from the BTS to the submitter: If you wish to submit further information on your problem, please send it to 187848@bugs.debian.org (and *not* to submit@bugs.debian.org). |
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| 09:20.17 | SJr | my bad |
| 09:20.19 | nort0n | mick_laptop: ok. :/ |
| 09:20.21 | mick_laptop | ah ok |
| 09:20.22 | SJr | I thought that would word wrap. |
| 09:20.26 | mick_laptop | Guerin: ty |
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| 09:20.36 | Guerin | siretart: The vote is finished, but I dunno about the result |
| 09:20.47 | Guerin | SJr: did you do what the error said? |
| 09:20.56 | Eclipser | nort0n, at least usually they're free to use but opensource ones are really rare :) |
| 09:21.04 | SJr | hmmm configured.... hmmmm |
| 09:21.22 | Guerin | SJr: using a stock debian kernel? |
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| 09:21.50 | nort0n | Eclipser: ok. But those that comes with XFree86, are those opensource? |
| 09:21.58 | SJr | No my own kernel |
| 09:22.01 | SJr | 2.6.6 |
| 09:22.07 | Guerin | nort0n: no, those are Free |
| 09:22.21 | Guerin | SJr: compiled from debian source? |
| 09:22.25 | SJr | Yes |
| 09:22.35 | nort0n | ok |
| 09:23.09 | SJr | I have kernel-headers installed as well. |
| 09:23.14 | Guerin | SJr: ok, good. If you still have the source installed, it should work. Maybe try installing the kernel-headers package for that as well |
| 09:23.18 | Guerin | ah |
| 09:23.27 | SJr | I don't have the source I compiled with |
| 09:23.29 | SJr | I toasted the dir |
| 09:23.32 | SJr | but I untarred it again. |
| 09:23.58 | morth_ | SJr: u toasted?!?! |
| 09:24.04 | Guerin | SJr: i believe there's a command line option you can pass to tell it where to find the source - look in the help and doc for the nvidia installer/compiler thing |
| 09:24.10 | SJr | If you are using a Linux 2.6 kernel, please make sure you have configured kernel sources matching your kernel installed on your system. |
| 09:24.15 | whiterabbit | morth_: define toasted |
| 09:24.19 | trueno | scruffy -- Yes: "drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 2048 Jun 20 11:26 Type1" |
| 09:24.26 | Eclipser | rm -rf'ed?-p |
| 09:24.28 | SJr | i rm -rf kernel-source-2.6.6 |
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| 09:24.56 | Guerin | SJr: yeah, untar it again. Another good idea would be to reapply the config from your running kernel to it |
| 09:25.03 | SJr | I did that |
| 09:25.14 | Guerin | SJr: beats me then |
| 09:25.16 | trueno | scruffy -- Any clue? |
| 09:25.25 | Guerin | SJr: look for that command line option, or hope |
| 09:25.33 | SJr | copied the krnl-pascal-0.93b file to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.6/.config |
| 09:26.09 | Guerin | SJr: did you run make oldconfig? |
| 09:26.44 | SJr | I just did and nope didn't work |
| 09:27.05 | SJr | it can find the kernel source, I got that error before but I fixed it buy moving the sources to /linux/ |
| 09:27.09 | SJr | well symlinking it |
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