| 00:00.25 | cafuego | debby: Ok, your X is probably configured to not let root in. |
| 00:00.25 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: unfortunately none |
| 00:00.25 | mickeyks | but if you have some, i'll...ow! |
| 00:01.00 | debby | ahh and you change that in /etc/security/access.conf ? |
| 00:01.40 | The_Vulture | debby: there's some settings that probably don't let you login as root through that |
| 00:01.40 | The_Vulture | what cafuego said |
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| 00:02.11 | cafuego | debby: Probably an xdm/gdm/kdm config issue. |
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| 00:02.27 | guestish | why are 90% of the nicks on this channel afk 100% of the time? |
| 00:02.33 | cafuego | guestish: Coz I can only switch terminals at a finite speed. |
| 00:02.39 | thomas_adam | Maybe it's 1337 to idle here? |
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| 00:02.47 | Xeeble | a good question |
| 00:02.59 | pla^net | hey guestish i am right here listining to ya ; ) |
| 00:03.01 | cafuego | guestish: I imagine they're virtually all log-bots. |
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| 00:03.10 | debby | any ideas on how to fix that issue? |
| 00:03.18 | guestish | pla^net: wha? i thought the dead couldnt speak |
| 00:03.20 | cafuego | guestish: pla^net Seems to have an eliza module, but most wouldn't. |
| 00:03.26 | pla^net | they can man |
| 00:03.27 | The_Vulture | debby: why are you trying to login to X as root anyway? |
| 00:03.34 | guestish | cafuego: eliza module? |
| 00:03.35 | pla^net | pretty drunk n high but still there |
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| 00:03.44 | cafuego | guestish: eliza, cheap 80's AI |
| 00:03.50 | guestish | pla^net: you people scare me |
| 00:03.52 | thomas_adam | debby: debby make sure /usr/bin/X11/X is SUID and sGID |
| 00:03.55 | guestish | cafuego: ah |
| 00:03.55 | debby | becuase i would like to be able to log into the gui as root |
| 00:03.57 | pla^net | lol how come |
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| 00:04.03 | guestish | cafuego: how do you know its an AI? |
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| 00:04.07 | mentor | stupid. I don't want my desktop to be my computer. I want it to be an interface to my computer. |
| 00:04.07 | The_Vulture | debby: that's not an answer |
| 00:04.08 | pla^net | and what do u mean by YOU people |
| 00:04.08 | thomas_adam | debby: why? |
| 00:04.16 | cafuego | guestish: it hasn't as of yet displayed I. |
| 00:04.21 | guestish | pla^net: you people, the watching ones |
| 00:04.25 | guestish | cafuego: heh |
| 00:04.26 | The_Vulture | debby: I ask because there's probably a better way to solve whatever problem you are trying to solve |
| 00:04.38 | pla^net | actually i wasnt really watching u ; ) |
| 00:04.49 | guestish | pla^net: what is the square root of pi |
| 00:04.55 | sussudio | guestish: welcome to blackmail! |
| 00:05.04 | mentor | debby: Generally, you really shouldn't have a reason to log into a GUI as root. You should probably use a graphical su to run programs form a normal user session. |
| 00:05.05 | cafuego | guestish: people who desperately want to post to bash.org |
| 00:05.06 | guestish | sussudio: lol |
| 00:05.14 | guestish | cafuego: they need lives... |
| 00:05.16 | pla^net | hey guestish i dunno |
| 00:05.18 | thomas_adam | Piggy: ! |
| 00:05.23 | mentor | Piggy: Quiet log bot |
| 00:05.31 | mickeyks | ow! |
| 00:05.32 | guestish | Piggy: silence! |
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| 00:05.39 | cafuego | Piggy: Squeal |
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| 00:05.46 | debby | its just a test machine for now and its in my house and no one will get on it.....just hate doing the su all the time i guess |
| 00:05.48 | guestish | pla^net: so are you an AI? |
| 00:05.54 | pla^net | hey guestish i am out afk again cant follow the discussin |
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| 00:06.01 | pla^net | but wait, what is an Al |
| 00:06.06 | The_Vulture | debby: so setup sudo.. |
| 00:06.06 | thomas_adam | debby: Then install sudo |
| 00:06.21 | guestish | cafuego: its actually not all that bad of an AI if it is one |
| 00:06.21 | mentor | debby: I don't really think we should help you adopt bad user practices... |
| 00:06.22 | ATG | iv upgraded my kernel from 2.4.24 to 2.6.7, and when I run dhcpclient eth0 i get Unrecognized kernel verion |
| 00:06.23 | cafuego | guestish: Hmm, no, the parser would have seen that as an 'I'. |
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| 00:06.26 | ATG | how do i fix this? |
| 00:06.34 | k-man | how do i set the default route from the command line? |
| 00:06.39 | petemc | ATG: /msg dpkg dhcp kernel |
| 00:06.41 | guestish | cafuego: so its an actual person? |
| 00:06.47 | thomas_adam | k-man: man route |
| 00:06.47 | Caelum | k-man: route add default gw <foo> |
| 00:06.49 | petemc | maybe |
| 00:06.55 | k-man | thanks |
| 00:06.58 | cafuego | guestish: As opposed to an unactual one? |
| 00:07.07 | guestish | cafuego: as opposed to a mindless AI drone |
| 00:07.15 | cafuego | guestish: Then yes. |
| 00:07.22 | guestish | pla^net: artifical intellegence |
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| 00:07.40 | guestish | pla^net: a convoluted script designed to fool people into believing that intellegence exists in the mindless |
| 00:07.44 | cafuego | guestish: Seeing as we could tell the difference based on it's responses,w e can confidently say it just failed the turing test, though. |
| 00:07.50 | mickeyks | that trailer for i, robot does not look good |
| 00:07.53 | guestish | cafuego: lo |
| 00:07.53 | guestish | l |
| 00:07.54 | mentor | guestish: Yes, but enough about you... |
| 00:08.10 | GeeZee | i booted with the bf2.4 cd and my 160gb drive still shows as 137 |
| 00:08.13 | cafuego | s/it's/its/ |
| 00:08.31 | mentor | GeeZee: Well, I didn't think bf2.4 had lba48 support... |
| 00:08.44 | GeeZee | what cd should i use |
| 00:08.49 | guestish | mentor: but i am all important |
| 00:08.54 | guestish | mentor: all must hail me! |
| 00:09.31 | mickeyks | dpkg -l shows a status of "ic" for libesd0. how do i get it fully installed? apt-get -f install did nothing |
| 00:09.32 | dpkg | No packages found matching shows a status of "ic" for libesd0. how do i get it fully installed? apt-get -f install did nothing |
| 00:09.47 | cafuego | dpkg: shut up |
| 00:09.47 | dpkg | no, i won't. make me |
| 00:10.00 | guestish | knoppix |
| 00:10.05 | mickeyks | hrm, maybe i can just apt-get it |
| 00:10.06 | cafuego | mickeyks: dpkg --configure -a? |
| 00:10.07 | guestish | :) |
| 00:10.07 | sgeigerbot | dpkg: Shut your fucking face uncle fucker. You're an ass-licking cock-sucking uncle fucker. You don't eat or sleep or mow the lawn, you fuck your uncle all day long... |
| 00:10.07 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: You are moron #20 |
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| 00:10.16 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 00:10.39 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: err.... |
| 00:10.48 | GeeZee | mentor: do any of the 3.0 boot cd's have lba48 support? |
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| 00:11.02 | guestish | cafuego: yeahhhhhhhh... |
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| 00:11.27 | acesmythe | how the heck do i get the source for THIS kernel |
| 00:11.34 | thomas_adam | acesmythe: www.kernel.org |
| 00:11.41 | guestish | acesmythe: which kernel is this kernel? |
| 00:11.49 | The_Vulture | acesmythe: where "this" is what? |
| 00:11.53 | mentor | GeeZee: I don't know offhand. I've not been very successful in finding out about lba48 support for Linux. |
| 00:11.54 | cafuego | acesmythe: apt-get install kernel-source-$(uname -r) |
| 00:11.54 | guestish | acesmythe: the heavenly kernel floating in a puddle of its own vomit? |
| 00:11.56 | acesmythe | the nvidia driver's all like "hey dipfuck, this source is the wrong one for make the driver" |
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| 00:11.57 | StRaNdEd | can someone tell me why i cant get my anope services working? ive typed ./services -f services but i get Permission denied |
| 00:12.05 | k-man | whats the default dhcp client debian installs? |
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| 00:12.07 | thomas_adam | StRaNdEd: hahahahaha |
| 00:12.12 | sgeigerbot | acesmythe: or look in /boot/ for the config file...and download the source from kernel.org |
| 00:12.13 | thomas_adam | StRaNdEd: man update-rc.d |
| 00:12.17 | The_Vulture | acesmythe: install nvidia-kernel-source, read the README, be enlightened |
| 00:12.18 | The_Vulture | it's not hard |
| 00:12.21 | acesmythe | 2.4.25 |
| 00:12.22 | guestish | acesmythe: that means you are using a gcc that doesnt match the one compiled w/ your kernel |
| 00:12.26 | cafuego | StRaNdEd: Are you an ex-redhat user? |
| 00:12.27 | voltagex | I have a folder of files, I want to give all the files a .mp3 extension |
| 00:12.29 | mickeyks | k-man: some version of dhclient i think |
| 00:12.30 | voltagex | how do I do it? |
| 00:12.33 | guestish | er, you kernel was compiled with |
| 00:12.34 | The_Vulture | voltagex: rename |
| 00:12.38 | The_Vulture | man rename |
| 00:12.40 | StRaNdEd | no im a ex freebsd user |
| 00:12.44 | thomas_adam | StRaNdEd: man update-rc.d |
| 00:12.50 | acesmythe | The_Vulture: "install nvidia-kernel-source" or go find it and install it |
| 00:12.50 | sgeigerbot | I'm a FedEx user. |
| 00:12.54 | thomas_adam | StRaNdEd: (for the second time) |
| 00:12.59 | guestish | acesmythe: 2.4.25, you know they have 2.5.26 now |
| 00:13.00 | cafuego | Just as bad; Debian does things a bit differently. |
| 00:13.07 | The_Vulture | acesmythe: what? apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 00:13.10 | The_Vulture | it's not magical |
| 00:13.16 | mickeyks | there was something different about debian |
| 00:13.16 | k-man | mickeyks, ok, thanks |
| 00:13.29 | acesmythe | tried that, it says it doesnt exist |
| 00:13.31 | mickeyks | "sure i knew debian. he was always such a nice, quiet boy. kept to himself..." |
| 00:13.36 | cafuego | mickeyks: Yes, debian sundays are different. |
| 00:13.37 | mickeyks | k-man: i'm not sure |
| 00:13.57 | k-man | mickeyks, ok, thanks |
| 00:14.05 | mickeyks | cafuego: and they're everyday, so it's always different (paradox) |
| 00:14.07 | ATG | petemc: that only gave me the answer if I were running 2.2\2.4 kernels... |
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| 00:14.21 | voltagex | The_Vulture: i don't know perl... |
| 00:14.32 | thomas_adam | voltagex: what do you want to do? |
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| 00:14.36 | The_Vulture | voltagex: regexes really aren't that hard to learn |
| 00:14.56 | mentor | The_Vulture: Just hard to read. |
| 00:15.08 | The_Vulture | mentor: that's what makes them so much fun :) |
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| 00:15.10 | cafuego | @freeslutshots.com |
| 00:15.13 | cafuego | no, really |
| 00:15.26 | voltagex | thomas_adam: trying to give all files in a folder a .mp3 extension |
| 00:15.26 | acesmythe | couldn't find package nivida-kernel-source |
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| 00:15.50 | Infohawk | How can I follow dmesg output up to the second? |
| 00:15.51 | thomas_adam | voltagex: rename 's/.*$/.mp3' * |
| 00:16.04 | voltagex | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 00:16.13 | mentor | cafuego: ummm... |
| 00:16.15 | The_Vulture | Infohawk: tail your syslog? |
| 00:16.17 | thomas_adam | voltagex: Well, I could be wrong. :) |
| 00:16.32 | StRaNdEd | |*thomas_adam*| thats not it i get a crapy mesg |
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| 00:16.54 | mentor | StRaNdEd: Can we have sensible nick delimiters please... |
| 00:16.55 | thomas_adam | voltagex: rename 's/\.*$/.mp3/' * |
| 00:16.56 | Infohawk | The_Vulture, doesn't syslog write to disk? I'm trying to monitor disk i/o in order to get laptop_mode to work |
| 00:16.59 | voltagex | thomas_adam: Substitution replacement not terminated at (eval 1) line 1. |
| 00:17.07 | mickeyks | if xmms requires libesd,libasound,libmikmod,and libvorbisfile, why aren't they listed as dependencies for apt? |
| 00:17.09 | cafuego | mentor: My 3 mail servers seem to be forwarding that email to eachother in cicles. |
| 00:17.10 | thomas_adam | StRaNdEd: hmmm? |
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| 00:17.17 | StRaNdEd | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/services: file does not exist |
| 00:17.21 | StRaNdEd | thats what i get |
| 00:17.31 | mentor | cafuego: Do you host that site? |
| 00:17.34 | voltagex | thomas_adam: spot on |
| 00:17.40 | cafuego | StRaNdEd: Well, that seems to be a faily simple error message. |
| 00:17.43 | thomas_adam | voltagex: :) |
| 00:17.46 | cafuego | mentor: No, it's a spam. |
| 00:17.56 | mentor | cafuego: hum.. |
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| 00:18.25 | StRaNdEd | well its trying to start the wrong file ive tried to redirect it but i cant figure out how to |
| 00:18.30 | cafuego | mentor: The final mail host seems to want to bounce it to amavis@otherbox |
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| 00:18.58 | voltagex | anyone know of a good mp3 renamer (rename from id3)? |
| 00:19.01 | acesmythe | guestish: well, tell me how to install the newer version, and i'll use that |
| 00:19.08 | cafuego | StRaNdEd: use 'rm' or 'ln' to fix it by hand. |
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| 00:19.10 | mentor | cafuego: Silly boy. can't set up your MTAs |
| 00:19.21 | StRaNdEd | k |
| 00:19.23 | hejhopp | how do i change to svga instead of vga? |
| 00:19.30 | mickeyks | xmms believes that there is no such device as /dev/dsp on my box |
| 00:19.39 | mickeyks | why might that be |
| 00:19.39 | cis001 | haw can I mount NTFS volume not to read-only? |
| 00:19.39 | sgeigerbot | voltagex: musicman is a konqueror plugin. grip and xmms also allow id3 tags to be edited. easytag and cantus are others. |
| 00:19.50 | The_Vulture | cis001: man mount, find out about the appropriate ntfs mount options |
| 00:20.09 | guestish | !tell acesmythe about custom kernel |
| 00:20.16 | guestish | !tell acesmythe about kernel howto |
| 00:20.19 | cafuego | mentor: They were working fine, but somehow didn't like me adding a second MX record for the domain they're on. |
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| 00:20.41 | sgeigerbot | hejhopp: you could add vga=ask in lilo.conf and then type /sbin/lilo and reboot... However, during the reboot that might get reset by soemthing else, as was the case for me once. |
| 00:20.42 | cafuego | mentor: Even though i told host #2 about forwarding to the final host. |
| 00:20.43 | _rene_ | cis001: you don't want that anyway. ntfs write support is not really supported |
| 00:20.45 | guestish | cis001: capturefs |
| 00:20.56 | acesmythe | ok, so, i'm trying to install the nvidia driver because i cant start kde |
| 00:21.07 | cis001 | when I try mount my NTFS volume, there is error: "NTFS volume version is Win2k+: mountin read-only" |
| 00:21.09 | V01D | does anyone know what could be making my win2000 run badly/slowly after installing debian...? maybe something about partitions? |
| 00:21.10 | guestish | cis001: i mean captive |
| 00:21.10 | sgeigerbot | guestish: capture ntfs? |
| 00:21.15 | StRaNdEd | where can i find a command list for debian so i can stop asking them? |
| 00:21.19 | guestish | cis001: http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 00:21.26 | guestish | sgeigerbot: captive ntfs |
| 00:21.38 | guestish | sgeigerbot: uses wine to use the windows driver |
| 00:21.47 | sussudio | guestish: cool. you made sgeigerbot leave. |
| 00:21.53 | cafuego | StRaNdEd: find / -name "*bin*" |
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| 00:22.08 | guestish | sussudio: lol |
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| 00:22.26 | sussudio | guestish: http://lolz.webhop.org/ |
| 00:22.28 | guestish | sussudio: i didnt know anyone had that much power |
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| 00:22.38 | guestish | sussudio: why are you dancing... |
| 00:22.45 | guestish | :) |
| 00:22.45 | mickeyks | ok, i read what dpkg has to say about sound, and i don't see what i'm doing wrong |
| 00:22.50 | cafuego | V01D: Win2K is still as fast as it was, it just seems shit compared to Debian. |
| 00:23.03 | guestish | mickeyks: what are you doing wrong? |
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| 00:23.12 | Infohawk | Does having a journaled file system mean you can recover a document that you haven't expressly saved? |
| 00:23.13 | mickeyks | guestish: that's what i don't see |
| 00:23.13 | mentor | cafuego: hmmm and heh. |
| 00:23.18 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: captive ntfs |
| 00:23.22 | cis001 | thx |
| 00:23.23 | V01D | cafuego-> i can't even start the x server on debian... so that's not a good answer |
| 00:23.26 | sussudio | damn. must only work with guestish |
| 00:23.27 | vladkao | mickeyks: logout |
| 00:23.41 | mentor | cis001: You got it sorted then |
| 00:23.42 | cafuego | V01D: What does X have to do with anything? |
| 00:23.43 | mentor | ? |
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| 00:23.46 | mickeyks | vladkao: um...why? |
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| 00:23.56 | mentor | cafuego: That depends on what X is...oh wait... |
| 00:24.00 | V01D | nevermind... that wasn't the issue anyway... |
| 00:24.02 | vladkao | mickeyks: you didn't logout ? |
| 00:24.16 | mickeyks | vladkao: i did not long ago... |
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| 00:24.20 | jono | hi all |
| 00:24.25 | mickeyks | vladkao: what is it important that i logout after having done? |
| 00:24.43 | mentor | mickeyks: Logged onto root |
| 00:24.45 | jono | can anyone suggest a simple text editor for the console that provides word wrap and a really simple interface? |
| 00:24.50 | Tezkah | emacs! |
| 00:24.52 | vladkao | mickeyks: audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in. |
| 00:24.52 | guestish | mickeyks: ok, well lets start with the problem |
| 00:24.54 | guestish | jono: nano |
| 00:24.56 | mickeyks | mentor: oh. i'm not root |
| 00:24.57 | Tezkah | emacs emacs emacs! |
| 00:24.58 | Tezkah | :) |
| 00:24.58 | V01D | is there any recommended soft (not fips/fdisk) for w2k to delete my linux (swap + ext3) partitions without loosing my windows partittions? |
| 00:24.58 | guestish | jono: or vi |
| 00:25.05 | Infohawk | jono: nano |
| 00:25.08 | mickeyks | vladkao: i was already in the audio group |
| 00:25.12 | Tezkah | guestish: thats awful, telling someone to use vi... you're so mean :( |
| 00:25.13 | cafuego | jono: 'nano' or 'jed' |
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| 00:25.21 | guestish | Tezkah: i hate it too, but its simple |
| 00:25.23 | sussudio | jed sounds like a redneck editor |
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| 00:25.26 | jono | nano does not have word wrap enabled - how do I enable it? |
| 00:25.33 | Tezkah | simple... like ESC !:q RET |
| 00:25.46 | cafuego | Tezkah: Recommending emacs without checking if they have a dual Opteron box, now _that_ is mean. |
| 00:25.46 | vladkao | mickeyks: alsa/oss ? |
| 00:25.46 | mentor | V01D: 'losing'; and all programs that delete your Linux partitions shouldn't touch your Windows partitions unless you tell them to. |
| 00:25.48 | mickeyks | guestish: ok, the problem is that xmms says oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): No such devic |
| 00:25.52 | guestish | sussudio: on bash.org they had one where a guy was disconnected by saying a word |
| 00:25.53 | cafuego | Tezkah: Also, it's :q! |
| 00:25.56 | guestish | mickeyks: what drivers are you using? alsa? |
| 00:26.01 | mickeyks | alsa |
| 00:26.04 | mickeyks | should be |
| 00:26.06 | Tezkah | oh, thanks cafuego |
| 00:26.10 | guestish | mickeyks: well thats why |
| 00:26.11 | mentor | vim vim vim vim vim...shuttup you damn hippies... |
| 00:26.14 | jono | anyone? |
| 00:26.14 | Tezkah | I wouldn't want to get into that horrid program without knowing how to get out! |
| 00:26.14 | V01D | ok... but wich one is a good program? |
| 00:26.15 | mickeyks | well wait |
| 00:26.21 | guestish | mickeyks: you are using a oss driver with alsa modules |
| 00:26.24 | mickeyks | it's whatever the non-deprecated one is.... |
| 00:26.34 | sussudio | guestish: yeah i was going for that |
| 00:26.37 | guestish | mickeyks: and most likely you didnt modprobe the oss compatiblity layer for alsa |
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| 00:26.52 | guestish | mickeyks: so just use xmms' alsa driver |
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| 00:27.11 | RainbowW | where is the nullmailer queue? |
| 00:27.12 | jono | I guess no one knows |
| 00:27.16 | guestish | sussudio: i thought you were talking about the redneck editor... |
| 00:27.21 | mickeyks | guestish: which is newer, alsa or oss? |
| 00:27.30 | guestish | mickeyks: alsa |
| 00:27.37 | guestish | mickeyks: which is better: alsa |
| 00:27.58 | mickeyks | guestish: ok, so how do i use xmms' alsa driver....erm...maybe in the config file i guess |
| 00:28.00 | guestish | mickeyks: oss are free version of proprietary drivers, alsa has always been opensource |
| 00:28.08 | guestish | mickeyks: right click, preferences |
| 00:28.13 | guestish | mickeyks: and make sure you have the package installed |
| 00:28.31 | pla^net | hey guestish i am back for a short moment and want to talk about u bein high |
| 00:28.32 | sussudio | !bugger locales |
| 00:28.41 | guestish | pla^net: knock yourself out |
| 00:28.42 | pla^net | because u be talkin all the time man |
| 00:28.50 | mickeyks | guestish: which package? alsa? |
| 00:28.59 | guestish | mickeyks: i think its xmms-alsa, not sure though |
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| 00:29.07 | pla^net | i wonder whats worth, bein afk or fillin out the whole irc window by myself |
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| 00:29.13 | pla^net | ^^ |
| 00:29.22 | mickeyks | libALSA.so? |
| 00:29.22 | guestish | pla^net: i have to balance out the other 500 silent bots here |
| 00:29.27 | guestish | mickeyks: sounds good to me |
| 00:29.31 | mickeyks | that's an option under "output plugin" |
| 00:29.39 | guestish | mickeyks: thats the one |
| 00:29.39 | pla^net | aight ;) |
| 00:29.44 | guestish | pla^net: :) |
| 00:29.50 | pla^net | :) |
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| 00:30.01 | guestish | 0:-) |
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| 00:30.02 | vali | hi |
| 00:30.12 | pla^net | u a druggie? |
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| 00:30.26 | guestish | pla^net: never touched the stuff, nor do i drink or smoke |
| 00:30.27 | pla^net | better said any one that ever tried any drug besides alc? |
| 00:30.35 | pla^net | oh not even alc? |
| 00:30.38 | guestish | pla^net: alc? |
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| 00:30.42 | pla^net | alcohol |
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| 00:30.47 | ShortWave | Hey all |
| 00:30.47 | guestish | pla^net: nope |
| 00:30.52 | mickeyks | pla^net: yeah, lots |
| 00:30.53 | guestish | pla^net: i also hate coffee |
| 00:30.54 | sgeigerbot | pla^net: Have you ever tried brains? |
| 00:30.54 | pla^net | oh man how old r ya |
| 00:31.01 | ShortWave | what's the best compiler package to download to recompile the kernel? 2.95? |
| 00:31.02 | pla^net | yeah i hate coffee too |
| 00:31.16 | pla^net | yes sgeigerbot, didnt work for me |
| 00:31.18 | mentor | Sunday. |
| 00:31.29 | pla^net | what r u talkin bout brains anyway |
| 00:31.36 | pla^net | u the official smart ass in here? |
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| 00:31.38 | greycat | Sun Jul 4 00:31:39 UTC 2004 |
| 00:31.39 | mentor | pla^net: As a main course. |
| 00:31.42 | mickeyks | guestish: i think what i did was, enabled alsa support in the kernel, so i had the modules, but then i had never installed alsa |
| 00:31.44 | guestish | pla^net: one of about 20 |
| 00:31.52 | guestish | mickeyks: that wasnt very smart |
| 00:31.53 | ShortWave | anyone? |
| 00:32.04 | mickeyks | guestish: i didn't think about it...i rarely use sound |
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| 00:32.12 | pla^net | ;) |
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| 00:32.22 | mickeyks | compiler package? |
| 00:32.23 | pla^net | i mean hell what is he talkin about |
| 00:32.25 | guestish | mickeyks: its a good skill to have, knowing how to play sound |
| 00:32.33 | ShortWave | err |
| 00:32.38 | vladkao | guestish: a hard learning ;) |
| 00:32.42 | ShortWave | you know, like "apt-get gcc-2.95" |
| 00:32.59 | guestish | vladkao: you'd be surprised how many people have trouble with it |
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| 00:33.08 | The_Vulture | ShortWave: I imagine the debian kernel-source packages and make-kpkg have appropriate Suggested packages.. |
| 00:33.24 | ShortWave | hrm, well... |
| 00:33.31 | ShortWave | I'm not going to be using a kernel-source package |
| 00:33.39 | pla^net | hey guestish I ll join those afks again since i got some people around me :) |
| 00:33.41 | ShortWave | nor will I be using make-kpkg |
| 00:33.47 | fbb | how can i copy my entire linux drive from one hard drive to the partition of another? |
| 00:33.53 | guestish | pla^net: latter druggie |
| 00:33.54 | vladkao | guestish: i know. i do myself with the new alsa drivers |
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| 00:34.00 | mentor | fbb: tar | tar? |
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| 00:34.06 | pla^net | its not that bad guestish |
| 00:34.13 | pla^net | from time to time.. ;) |
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| 00:34.19 | mickeyks | guestish: er...now it can't find alsa_get_mixer or alsa_setup |
| 00:34.26 | pla^net | u just dont know what youre missin |
| 00:34.29 | guestish | mickeyks: alsa-base |
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| 00:34.39 | ShortWave | I'm building a new server, and I want the latest, greatest |
| 00:34.46 | sgeigerbot | pla^net: Drugs are bad, m'kay. |
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| 00:34.50 | mickeyks | guestish: already installed |
| 00:34.59 | guestish | pla^net: alsamixer |
| 00:35.00 | pla^net | how do u know sgeigerbot |
| 00:35.04 | mentor | ShortWave: Packages are HARD! |
| 00:35.10 | ShortWave | eh? |
| 00:35.15 | pla^net | what about alsamixer guestish |
| 00:35.15 | ShortWave | how hard is apt-get? |
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| 00:35.22 | ShortWave | I just want a newer kernel than is provided |
| 00:35.22 | guestish | mickeyks: install it |
| 00:35.26 | guestish | pla^net: werent you leaving...? |
| 00:35.37 | pla^net | yeah not really leavin, goin afk |
| 00:35.38 | sgeigerbot | ShortWave: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 00:35.44 | mickeyks | guestish: i have it already |
| 00:35.53 | mentor | ShortWave: You can still use kp. |
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| 00:35.59 | pla^net | but u gave me a hint about alsamixer for whatever reason |
| 00:36.00 | ShortWave | yeah but *I* don't like it |
| 00:36.03 | guestish | pla^net: so you are sending messages telepathically, cool |
| 00:36.07 | ShortWave | I prefer to manage the kernel myself |
| 00:36.09 | guestish | pla^net: oops, lol |
| 00:36.12 | sgeigerbot | ShortWave: you might also want to try feta, wajig, synaptic, aptitude |
| 00:36.17 | pla^net | yeah its dem drugs man |
| 00:36.19 | pla^net | ^^ |
| 00:36.19 | ShortWave | Got synaptic |
| 00:36.28 | pla^net | i am wired, damn |
| 00:36.32 | ShortWave | it's neat I guess |
| 00:36.42 | pla^net | indeed |
| 00:36.42 | ShortWave | I just like to do the kernel myself, since I do special things to it |
| 00:36.43 | guestish | heh |
| 00:36.54 | fbb | can i just use 'cp -R *' to copy my debian system to another drive, then change lilo.conf, run lilo, change fstab, and then boot debian from the new hard drive? |
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| 00:37.17 | thomas_adam | !tell fbb about onedisktoanother |
| 00:37.31 | guestish | mickeyks: are all the alsa modules modprobed? |
| 00:37.48 | mickeyks | guestish: i don't know |
| 00:37.53 | guestish | mickeyks: well check |
| 00:37.57 | pla^net | ;) |
| 00:38.03 | pla^net | modprobe |
| 00:38.06 | guestish | modconf |
| 00:38.19 | pla^net | lol lsmod damn |
| 00:38.23 | mickeyks | i'm afraid if i modconf i'll screw something up |
| 00:38.24 | guestish | unless you have memorized all the module names |
| 00:38.25 | mentor | !fix ShortWave |
| 00:38.30 | guestish | mickeyks: it wont let you |
| 00:38.31 | guestish | mickeyks: lol |
| 00:38.35 | guestish | mickeyks: i've tried =P |
| 00:38.37 | sgeigerbot | !+fbb |
| 00:38.55 | newbie | hi is there a way to see the messages "apt-get upgrade" made - Just upgraded the system but now lillo does not work:-( |
| 00:38.59 | sgeigerbot | fbb isn't a factoid: >>*dpkg* no idea, sgeigerbot<< |
| 00:39.10 | guestish | newbie: type lilo in the console as root |
| 00:39.14 | Xm4n | ÎÒÃÇ |
| 00:39.20 | guestish | <thomas_adam> !tell fbb about onedisktoanother |
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| 00:39.28 | mickeyks | guestish: all that it shows under sound in modconf is soundcore |
| 00:39.31 | newbie | guestish, tried that |
| 00:39.36 | newbie | comes out with erros |
| 00:39.38 | newbie | r |
| 00:39.44 | guestish | newbie: eh? wha? |
| 00:39.49 | thomas_adam | guestish: hmm? |
| 00:39.51 | guestish | newbie: oh, right |
| 00:39.56 | guestish | thomas_adam: that was for sgeigerbot |
| 00:39.58 | mickeyks | guestish: i know i have soundcore installed already |
| 00:40.05 | guestish | thomas_adam: he thought the nick you were messaging to was a factoid |
| 00:40.06 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: I don't trust modconf to display everything. nevertheless, try this: sudo modconf --libdir /lib/modules/$( uname -r )/kernel/modules |
| 00:40.11 | thomas_adam | oh |
| 00:40.17 | guestish | newbie: well then your lilo is borked |
| 00:40.24 | guestish | mickeyks: there are about 7 modules you need |
| 00:40.31 | guestish | mickeyks: if you only have one, theres your problem |
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| 00:41.14 | guestish | mickeyks: +D |
| 00:41.23 | heavyjoost | you guys know how to reset the screen? svgalib doesnt set it back to textmode, that's why |
| 00:41.24 | newbie | guestish, when i upgraded I got a note saying that i had to make some change to my lillo config file - but forgot to do that / write down |
| 00:41.35 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: and look under /kernel/sound, right? |
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| 00:41.37 | guestish | newbie: what branch of debian |
| 00:41.50 | mickeyks | guestish: well...darn it...how do i know which are the modules i need |
| 00:41.52 | newbie | guestish, sarge |
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| 00:41.58 | guestish | mickeyks: they are all under the same directory |
| 00:42.14 | |poseidon| | where get sarge ? |
| 00:42.19 | guestish | newbie: apt-get install grub; grub-install /dev/hda; update-grub |
| 00:42.36 | guestish | newbie: it'll save you a ton of grief |
| 00:42.37 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: with that command, i still only see soundcore listed |
| 00:42.41 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: somewhere under /lib/modules Use find ... |
| 00:42.52 | guestish | mickeyks: you didnt include all the modules when you compiled the kernel |
| 00:42.57 | newbie | guestish, will try that |
| 00:43.02 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: As I said, I don't trust modconf. I just use modprobe and *know* which modules I want to load. |
| 00:43.07 | guestish | newbie: alright, let me know how it goes |
| 00:43.14 | guestish | mickeyks: modconf is fine for alsa |
| 00:43.22 | newbie | prefer lilo though |
| 00:43.26 | guestish | mickeyks: besides, who trusts bots anyways ;) |
| 00:43.28 | mickeyks | guestish: well, how should i have done it differently when i compiled the kernel? |
| 00:43.29 | guestish | newbie: ever use grub? |
| 00:43.38 | newbie | yes |
| 00:43.48 | newbie | yes heard abot some problems with it |
| 00:43.53 | guestish | mickeyks: include alsa support, oss emulation, the driver for your soundcard |
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| 00:44.03 | mickeyks | guestish: so if modconf doesn't show them, i'll have to get them from elsewhere i guess |
| 00:44.03 | guestish | mickeyks: just including alsa support doesnt cut it |
| 00:44.17 | guestish | newbie: well then RTFM on lilo if you really want to, but debian has automagickal setup with grub |
| 00:44.23 | guestish | newbie: better for a newbie ;)( |
| 00:44.23 | mickeyks | guestish: i am sure that i did include those thigns |
| 00:44.25 | mickeyks | things |
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| 00:44.35 | guestish | mickeyks: do you still have the kernel source? |
| 00:44.36 | The_Vulture | guestish: so does lilo as far as I've experienced.. |
| 00:44.41 | mickeyks | guestish: sure |
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| 00:44.48 | guestish | mickeyks: apt-get install alsa-source |
| 00:44.57 | guestish | mickeyks: unpack the alsa-driver.tar.bz2 |
| 00:45.14 | guestish | mickeyks: then go into your kernel source and do make-kpkg modules_image and install the resulting alsa package |
| 00:45.22 | guestish | mickeyks: works just as well as anything else |
| 00:45.39 | guestish | The_Vulture: really? i didnt know that |
| 00:45.49 | guestish | The_Vulture: i always thought you manually had to alter the config file |
| 00:45.52 | mickeyks | guestish: where do i unpack the alsa-driver source? |
| 00:45.57 | guestish | mickeyks: /usr/src |
| 00:46.01 | Tezkah | pfft, I hate alsa |
| 00:46.13 | Tezkah | if i wanted my computer to make sound, I would lick my finger and rub it against the monitor! |
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| 00:46.17 | guestish | Tezkah: tezkah, wheres that from? |
| 00:46.26 | guestish | Tezkah: well we all cant be insane |
| 00:46.28 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/real_hd.jpg < now _that's_ a real harddisk. |
| 00:46.31 | Tezkah | guestish: I have no idea, but it was about websites :) |
| 00:46.54 | guestish | sussudio: what a monster |
| 00:47.09 | RainbowW | that's a wimpy one. |
| 00:47.18 | The_Vulture | guestish: not in my experience, every time I install a new kernel the kernel-image package (postinst I guess) prompts to re-run lilo etc.. seems to work quite well |
| 00:47.18 | sussudio | guestish: yes, it weighs about 5 kilos, but for that you get a whole 40 Megabytes. |
| 00:47.19 | RainbowW | i threw away a 1g ibm one not too long ago. |
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| 00:47.29 | guestish | sussudio: what a deal |
| 00:47.32 | The_Vulture | I don't think it needs to modify the actual config after each install, just the symlinks change |
| 00:47.33 | netsplit | sussudio: how old is it? |
| 00:47.41 | guestish | The_Vulture: does it wipe out the previous configuration? |
| 00:47.43 | mickeyks | guestish: surely there's just a package that will install and load alsa_get_mixer and alsa_setup? |
| 00:47.44 | sussudio | guestish: ESDI too. also 8(!)ms seek time. |
| 00:47.45 | sgeigerbot | mentor: The Linksys WRT54G 802.11G WAP is Linux-based, much cheaper. Not sure whether the newest versions can be hacked as well as the older ones, though. |
| 00:47.53 | guestish | mickeyks: if there is, let me know |
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| 00:48.14 | guestish | sussudio: fun |
| 00:48.25 | RainbowW | sgeigerbot: i have a wrk54g. the model doesn't exist on the website. i love it but the dhcp server won't do mac-based address reservations, which my piece-of-crap netgear would do. |
| 00:48.27 | sgeigerbot | mentor: http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/LinksysWrt54g |
| 00:48.41 | sgeigerbot | RainbowW: check out that url |
| 00:49.12 | sussudio | netsplit: it doesn't appear to have a date on it. probably mid-80s |
| 00:49.17 | pla^net | guestish, youre definitely hyperactive |
| 00:49.23 | mickeyks | guestish: isn't there a way i can check with apt or dpkg to see which packages include certain files? |
| 00:49.28 | guestish | pla^net: na, just a fast typist |
| 00:49.37 | guestish | mickeyks: sure, but those are functions, not files |
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| 00:50.18 | mickeyks | guestish: but the oss functions i was getting errors for earlier had corresponding files with similar names. for each one i found and installed, the error went away. |
| 00:50.25 | trasher | my nautilus won't render thumbs for picture files, any ideas? |
| 00:50.36 | guestish | mickeyks: your problem, you solve it any way you want to |
| 00:50.42 | guestish | mickeyks: im just giving advice, nothing more |
| 00:50.55 | mickeyks | guestish: thanks for clearing that up, i was confused |
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| 00:51.02 | guestish | mickeyks: :) |
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| 00:51.53 | Phreak- | How can I kill a operation that won't be killed by kill -9 <pid>? |
| 00:51.59 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: apt-file |
| 00:52.12 | netsplit | Phreak-: reboot. |
| 00:52.16 | guestish | mickeyks: i say you are missing modules, if you think you are missing files, use apt-file, install the packages, and listen to your music |
| 00:52.42 | thomas_adam | !tell mickeyks about apt-file |
| 00:52.51 | mickeyks | you don't need to !tell me about it |
| 00:52.58 | mickeyks | i have man pages and apt-cache |
| 00:53.14 | guestish | mickeyks: then FIX IT |
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| 00:53.23 | sussudio | guestish: !fix mickeyks |
| 00:53.24 | sgeigerbot | ~circumfence sussudio |
| 00:53.26 | apt | sgeiger's belly is 2.5 meters |
| 00:53.31 | guestish | !fix mickeyfs |
| 00:53.38 | mickeyks | guestish: i'm working on it. if the subject no longer interests you, don't worry about it anymore |
| 00:53.39 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: It tells you what you need to know, in one hit, without the need for other trivial questions. |
| 00:53.40 | guestish | not the fix i had in mind... |
| 00:53.44 | newbie | guestish, that just install grub as my bootloader and give me a grub syntaks when I reboot |
| 00:53.50 | thomas_adam | That's what factoids are for. |
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| 00:53.53 | guestish | mickeyks: na, i just get insulted when people say im wrong without even trying it out first |
| 00:54.07 | guestish | newbie: it'll be grub, yes |
| 00:54.19 | guestish | newbie: you wont be using lilo anymore |
| 00:54.26 | mickeyks | guestish: i'm not saying you're wrong. i'm saying that based on my recent experience, there might be another way. |
| 00:54.29 | Xm4n | how do i unpack tar.bz2 ? |
| 00:54.32 | newbie | but how to start booting my kernel? |
| 00:54.35 | The_Vulture | Xm4n: man tar |
| 00:54.37 | thomas_adam | Xm4n: tar xjvf |
| 00:54.45 | trasher | Xm4n, tar jxf filename |
| 00:54.45 | Xm4n | I see,thanks |
| 00:54.45 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: I needed you earlier, my knoppix-using friend. *They* were picking on us. |
| 00:54.46 | guestish | mickeyks: there is never another way than installing the modules, its either you need the modules or you dont |
| 00:54.56 | guestish | mickeyks: and i just happened to have the same error, and installing modules fixed it |
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| 00:55.02 | trasher | Xm4n, if it doesn't work install bzip2 |
| 00:55.03 | mickeyks | guestish: and there are never packages that install the modules for you? |
| 00:55.11 | guestish | mickeyks: there is, alsa-source |
| 00:55.12 | geppel | clear |
| 00:55.16 | sussudio | what would cause the lines in curses-based stuff to disappear? things like mc and menuconfig |
| 00:55.17 | Xm4n | trasher, i see,thanks |
| 00:55.19 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: It's not difficult. ;) |
| 00:55.20 | guestish | mickeyks: but you have to compile the modules against your kernel source |
| 00:55.23 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: if you are using a stock debian kernel, there might be alsa modules prebuilt in a package for it |
| 00:55.30 | The_Vulture | if you are using 2.6 they are already in the kernel.. |
| 00:55.41 | mickeyks | i'm using 2.6 |
| 00:55.46 | newbie | guestish, but how do I continue booting from the grub prompt? |
| 00:55.55 | The_Vulture | then there's nothing to build/do as far as I know.. but I could be wrong |
| 00:56.02 | guestish | The_Vulture: what happened was he built 2.6 w/o all the alsa modules, so he doesnt get sound, alsa-source can be used to add modules after the kernel is compiled |
| 00:56.16 | The_Vulture | ah.. |
| 00:56.24 | guestish | The_Vulture: he can always rebuild the kernels with the modules being added, but thats time consuming |
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| 00:56.30 | The_Vulture | *nods* |
| 00:56.36 | The_Vulture | all these people and their custom kernels *shrugs* |
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| 00:56.38 | guestish | newbie: update-grub adds your kernels the the list |
| 00:56.42 | guestish | newbie: to the* |
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| 00:56.48 | guestish | The_Vulture: yup |
| 00:57.01 | newbie | guestish, no it didnt |
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| 00:57.07 | guestish | newbie: really? thats odd |
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| 00:57.17 | newbie | guestish, will try again |
| 00:57.21 | guestish | newbie: alright |
| 00:57.27 | geppel | I just installed dhcp on my debian/testing system and its complaining that I don't have a subnet declaration in my dhcpd.conf file for the network segment to which interface eth0 is attached. I have a two interface system, my internet is on eth0 and my lan is on eth1. I already changed the INTERFACE to eth1 in the /etc/init.d/dhcpd. What do you guys think?? |
| 00:57.35 | cnorton | does gprof measure time from clock cycles, or in absolute time? |
| 00:57.38 | newbie | guestish, using knoppix to chroot to my root |
| 00:57.38 | guestish | newbie: the file is /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:57.48 | guestish | newbie: ok, sorry about that, it should of listed your kernels |
| 00:57.50 | mickeyks | i don't know whether or not to build the alsa driver with ISA PnP |
| 00:57.58 | PhantomsDad | Hello, speaking of building alsa from source, I don't have a /usr/src/linux directory. I successfully built 2.6 kernel tho. What did I do wrong? |
| 00:58.03 | guestish | mickeyks: is it an ISA sound card? |
| 00:58.06 | The_Vulture | geppel: why are you running a dhcp _server_? ("installing dhcp" is a bit vague) and have you configured it? |
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| 00:58.22 | guestish | PhantomsDad: /usr/src/linux is not mandatory, it can be kernel-source-2.6.0 or whatever |
| 00:58.25 | geppel | i'm running a dhcp server simply because i have two laptops on my lan |
| 00:58.33 | geppel | yes i have configured it properly |
| 00:58.36 | The_Vulture | PhantomsDad: nothing, debian kernel source doesn't make anything called /usr/src/linux |
| 00:58.44 | ShortWave | ok question |
| 00:59.03 | The_Vulture | geppel: you have modified /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf to have a proper entry? paste the contents of that file (with comments removed) in #flood |
| 00:59.04 | ShortWave | I'm getting a conflict with fileutils vs. coreutils |
| 00:59.08 | The_Vulture | assuming you are using dhcp3 anyway |
| 00:59.11 | geppel | k |
| 00:59.14 | The_Vulture | otherwise paste the equivalent |
| 00:59.17 | guestish | newbie: once grub is installed it simply reads the file off your hard drive |
| 00:59.25 | PhantomsDad | The_Vulture: Will alsa ./configure find the source, or do I have to specify -prefix? |
| 00:59.39 | mickeyks | guestish: is ISA a brand? |
| 00:59.42 | The_Vulture | PhantomsDad: don't build stuff from random source pckages, use debian source packages |
| 00:59.42 | guestish | PhantomsDad: make-kpkg kernel_iamge |
| 00:59.47 | guestish | mickeyks: are you kidding me? |
| 00:59.49 | ShortWave | how can I install a package without using it's deps? |
| 00:59.49 | The_Vulture | PhantomsDad: install alsa-source |
| 00:59.52 | guestish | ~tell mickeyks about isa |
| 01:00.03 | geppel | The_Vulture: there is no dhcpd.conf file under /etc/dhcp3 its under /etc/ |
| 01:00.10 | Justin | PhantomsDad: why are you compiling alsa if you are using 2.6 |
| 01:00.16 | The_Vulture | geppel: like I said, "or equivalent" |
| 01:00.20 | geppel | k |
| 01:00.21 | PhantomsDad | The_Vulture: I did use debian source packages. |
| 01:00.25 | mickeyks | oohh ok |
| 01:00.42 | The_Vulture | PhantomsDad: then I don't know why you would be using ./configure, when you could use "debian/rules binary_modules" or whatnot |
| 01:00.46 | guestish | PhantomsDad: make-kpkg modules_image |
| 01:00.50 | guestish | PhantomsDad: sorry |
| 01:00.51 | mickeyks | me no have ISA card. Ug. |
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| 01:00.53 | The_Vulture | after setting KVERS and KSRC as appropriate |
| 01:00.58 | guestish | mickeyks: lol |
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| 01:01.02 | The_Vulture | PhantomsDad: try reading the README (/usr/share/doc/packagename) |
| 01:01.05 | geppel | The_Vulture: its pasted |
| 01:01.05 | guestish | mickeyks: EISA was the slot prior to PCI |
| 01:01.41 | mickeyks | guestish: ah. anyway, my sound card is built into the mobo |
| 01:01.42 | ShortWave | anyone? |
| 01:01.53 | guestish | mickeyks: fine |
| 01:01.59 | ShortWave | I've got busybox installed, and fileutils wants to overwrite chgrp |
| 01:02.07 | mickeyks | i guess there's no need for me tto build it with debugging code either, heh |
| 01:02.09 | The_Vulture | geppel: and paste the error[s] too |
| 01:02.38 | geppel | The_Vulture: done |
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| 01:04.23 | The_Vulture | geppel: are you sure the init.d script is actually using the value of INTERFACES you set, at least with dhcp3, the script is setup to use /etc/default/dhcp3-server which has INTERFACES set in it, I have it set to eth0 in mine and it works fine.. |
| 01:04.33 | geppel | let me check |
| 01:04.37 | ShortWave | ok question |
| 01:04.46 | ShortWave | how do I force apt to think something is installed already? |
| 01:04.52 | plagerism | What are the best drivers to use with an ATI All in Wonder 9000 pro?? |
| 01:05.02 | plagerism | Or where is a good place to start looking?? |
| 01:05.11 | mage__ | ik heb een beetje te veel gedronken :( |
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| 01:05.18 | geppel | The_Vulture: thank you that fixed it |
| 01:05.19 | petemc | ShortWave: equivs, tho its a pita to use |
| 01:05.25 | plagerism | How would i find out the irq and dma to an isa sound card?? |
| 01:05.25 | ShortWave | equivs? |
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| 01:05.37 | petemc | thats right |
| 01:05.48 | ShortWave | is that a command-line option? |
| 01:06.02 | petemc | this is where you go off and research it yourself |
| 01:06.04 | DaCa-dk | mage__: zatlap |
| 01:06.06 | The_Vulture | geppel: good-o, best to do things the right way, hacking the init.d scripts directly usually insn't the right way, usually if there's an execution config to be modified, it can be done so through /etc/default/* |
| 01:06.09 | mage__ | :( |
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| 01:06.46 | geppel | ahh, gotcha :-) |
| 01:06.48 | geppel | thanks for the tip |
| 01:07.28 | helix | does anyone know the names of those coffee.. er, shakes? |
| 01:07.30 | mickeyks | guestish: should i be root when i make the module package? |
| 01:07.30 | petemc | plagerism: cat /proc/ioports /proc/iomeme |
| 01:07.34 | helix | with ice, coffee, milk etc. mixed together? |
| 01:07.41 | guestish | mickeyks: you dont have much of a choice ;) |
| 01:07.45 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.45 | The_Vulture | helix: flavoured milk? |
| 01:07.52 | helix | The_Vulture: no.. |
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| 01:07.55 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* |
| 01:08.09 | guestish | mickeyks: though i suppose you could give yourself write access in /usr/src |
| 01:08.10 | helix | The_Vulture: they're like smoothies, sorta |
| 01:08.15 | mickeyks | guestish: i dunno, since it's kernel-related, i was thinking fakeroot or something |
| 01:08.18 | The_Vulture | doesn't ring a bell |
| 01:08.19 | sussudio | helix: coffee snaaaaaaakes? |
| 01:08.22 | mickeyks | guestish: i have that actually :) |
| 01:08.24 | helix | sussudio: bah |
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| 01:08.29 | sussudio | :-B |
| 01:08.59 | Xm4n | How to find a filename that contains '.' ? |
| 01:09.12 | guestish | mickeyks: heh |
| 01:09.13 | Xm4n | i want to search a file named '.gWuBi' |
| 01:09.24 | guestish | mickeyks: being root is fine :) |
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| 01:09.51 | mickeyks | guestish: where does it put the tar file? |
| 01:09.58 | mickeyks | i don't see it.... |
| 01:10.17 | mickeyks | by accident |
| 01:10.35 | guestish | mickeyks: /usr/src |
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| 01:11.02 | mickeyks | ah, well, that's convenient |
| 01:11.12 | karsten | ++cabinet |
| 01:11.38 | guestish | mickeyks: quite |
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| 01:11.45 | karsten | Xm4n: find <path> -name . |
| 01:11.49 | DaCa-dk | Xm4n: find / -name '.gWuBi' ? |
| 01:11.58 | karsten | Xm4n: ...though that's a rather limited search. |
| 01:12.16 | karsten | Xm4n: find <path> -name \*.\* will find all files containing one or more '.'. |
| 01:12.24 | guestish | what is life, but a set of concindences strung together that end with no more significance then when the started |
| 01:12.28 | guestish | they* |
| 01:12.37 | karsten | guestish: A four letter word beginning with fuck. |
| 01:13.05 | guestish | karsten: ? |
| 01:13.15 | karsten | guestish: You asked what life is ;-) |
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| 01:13.21 | guestish | karsten: lol |
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| 01:14.11 | carrett | how much should i sell my hp 762n for (2.26ghz, 80gb, 512mb ddr, geforce4)? |
| 01:14.26 | The_Vulture | $2 |
| 01:14.29 | guestish | carrett: ill give you...50 bucks for it :) |
| 01:14.32 | karsten | carrett: search ebay or craigslist. |
| 01:14.40 | The_Vulture | a piece of lint.. and a button |
| 01:14.43 | carrett | karsten: ok. thanks... |
| 01:14.47 | mickeyks | is there a command to untar and un-bz2 something all at once? |
| 01:14.53 | guestish | carrett: and unlike vulture i'll actually pay =P |
| 01:14.55 | carrett | dammit, i thought i might get an estimate the easy way |
| 01:14.57 | netsplit | tar xjf |
| 01:14.58 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: man tar |
| 01:14.58 | guestish | mickeyks: tar -jxvf |
| 01:15.00 | carrett | guestish: hehe |
| 01:15.04 | mickeyks | ok then |
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| 01:17.38 | mickeyks | hm |
| 01:18.25 | exobyte | I need to bring a decently recent version of wine to another system with a slow internet connection. If I download some of the wine file from an apt-get.org source, can I just copy them onto the slow system so it doesn't need to download it |
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| 01:18.53 | mickeyks | make gives me an error because the changelog remembers my custom kernel version name, and make-kpkg modules-image is trying to create something called 2.6.6 |
| 01:18.53 | flarfu | i want to run debian on my computer. should i use sarge or unstable? |
| 01:18.55 | guestish | mickeyks: make-kpkg modules_image |
| 01:19.01 | The_Vulture | exobyte: consider using apt-zip |
| 01:19.13 | mickeyks | guestish: that's what i did |
| 01:19.17 | The_Vulture | flarfu: depends what you need to do, woody is still not out of the question |
| 01:19.20 | mickeyks | that's what gave me the error |
| 01:19.22 | guestish | mickeyks: make-kpkg modules-image |
| 01:19.32 | guestish | mickeyks: whats what you said you did |
| 01:19.41 | flarfu | The_Vulture: the versions in woody are old for me |
| 01:19.41 | mickeyks | er |
| 01:19.42 | exobyte | I need to bring a decently recent version of wine to another system with a slow internet connection. If I download some of the wine file from an apt-get.org source, can I just copy them onto the slow system so it doesn't need to download it |
| 01:19.45 | mickeyks | lemme check |
| 01:19.56 | The_Vulture | flarfu: what do you need to do, is their being old a specific problem? |
| 01:20.06 | mickeyks | guestish: no, i used the underscore actually...it was pasted from what you said earlier in fact |
| 01:20.14 | guestish | mickeyks: k |
| 01:20.15 | newbie | guestish, i get the following text when I do "update-grub" /bin/ls: /boot/wmlinuz-*: nu sch file or directory |
| 01:20.24 | guestish | mickeyks: well you need to use the source of the kernel you are using |
| 01:20.39 | netsplit | mickeyks: I think you need to give it a -prefix flag or such. |
| 01:20.42 | guestish | newbie: how have you been installing kernels... |
| 01:20.49 | flarfu | The_Vulture: well, i'd like kde 3.2, kernel 2.6, etc. newer versions than what is in woody |
| 01:20.54 | newbie | guestish, apt-get install xxx |
| 01:20.59 | k-man1 | what could cause my linux box not to be able to get an ip address from my adsl modem's dhcp server? |
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| 01:21.04 | mickeyks | netsplit: i gave it a version flag. maybe i can give the modules the same version flag |
| 01:21.06 | guestish | newbie: yeah... |
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| 01:21.12 | guestish | mickeyks: you have to |
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| 01:21.41 | guestish | newbie: it shouldnt be looking for wmlinuz, but vmlinuz |
| 01:21.45 | guestish | newbie: i dunno what to say |
| 01:22.02 | newbie | but if I can find the message "apt-get upgrade" gave me I can probably fix the problem - are console messages not stored in a log file somewhere? |
| 01:22.17 | guestish | newbie: i dont know, never had to look |
| 01:22.30 | The_Vulture | flarfu: the question is: why? |
| 01:22.30 | netsplit | mickeyks: actually append_to_version maybe |
| 01:22.39 | exobyte | I need to bring a decently recent version of wine to another system with a slow internet connection. If I dowwnload some of the wine file from an apt-get.org source, can I just copy them onto the slow system so it doesn't need to download it |
| 01:22.50 | netsplit | ~tell exobyte about repeat |
| 01:22.56 | newbie | guestish, it was "v" and not "w" sorry |
| 01:23.16 | exobyte | netsplit: I repeated it? |
| 01:23.42 | exobyte | netsplit: I thought my connection was down and it didn't make it. Sorry |
| 01:23.50 | netsplit | exobyte: yes, three times. |
| 01:23.59 | guestish | newbie: your kernels should be called vmlinuz-2.4.26 or whatever... |
| 01:24.00 | Tezkah | hehe, talking to netsplit about broken connections :) |
| 01:24.19 | mickeyks | netsplit: definitely. i'm reading about it. now i just have to make sure i do it the exact same way |
| 01:24.45 | flarfu | The_Vulture: why, because there's more features in some of the newer programs that i want |
| 01:24.48 | exobyte | netsplit: and then I quit. I didn't see it and I assumed I was offline. I'm sorry |
| 01:24.53 | exobyte | netsplit: anyway- ideas? |
| 01:25.28 | netsplit | exobyte: well The_Vulture recommended using apt-zip ... *shrug* |
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| 01:25.42 | exobyte | netsplit: I'll google it |
| 01:25.53 | flarfu | The_Vulture: i just want to know if unstable is a bad idea. i just want a desktop system. |
| 01:26.23 | sussudio | !qotd5 |
| 01:26.23 | dpkg | <Sultrix> sussudio, i dont need to be qualified you fool. Sid makes a good desktop. |
| 01:26.26 | exobyte | netsplit: enough with the guilt trip already |
| 01:26.26 | FsckIt | flarfu: the general rule is that if you have to ask if unstable is a bad idea, unstable is a bad idea |
| 01:26.41 | guestish | newbie: something's wrong with your system... |
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| 01:27.12 | flarfu | thanks |
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| 01:27.56 | FsckIt | exobyte: yes, you can copy over the .deb files.. IIRC, apt stores them in /var/cache/apt/archives after downloading, and if nothing else, you can install them by hand using dpkg -i (do a man dpkg beforehand, of course) |
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| 01:28.07 | mickeyks | hm |
| 01:28.08 | mage__ | chui défonchey |
| 01:28.18 | pingouin | a quoi ? |
| 01:28.28 | mage__ | alcool:s |
| 01:28.39 | pingouin | bonne bourre ;) |
| 01:28.49 | pingouin | t'en vois combien : I I I |
| 01:28.49 | FsckIt | #debian-fr? |
| 01:29.01 | pingouin | yeah...apologies |
| 01:29.09 | mage__ | j'vé allez m"pieutez |
| 01:29.20 | Tezkah | Parler l'anglais, pas klingon ! |
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| 01:29.27 | mage__ | I AM DFX |
| 01:29.36 | pingouin | stone |
| 01:29.39 | pingouin | drunk |
| 01:29.39 | mage__ | I -> $SLEEP |
| 01:29.41 | mage__ | BYE |
| 01:29.43 | mickeyks | i did --append_to_version 062604, which came out with a UTS_VERSION string 2.6.6.062604, and it wanted 2.6.6062604. not sure how to do it the right way... |
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| 01:31.34 | xinming | lol |
| 01:31.35 | xinming | funny |
| 01:31.39 | mith | is libnss-ldap broken in testing or something? |
| 01:31.52 | guestish | well, cya all |
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| 01:34.03 | yonatan | my sound card dosnt work what can i do? |
| 01:34.08 | JoJa15 | Can someone help me setup a wireless connection? |
| 01:34.08 | bluerav3n | I just tried to upgrade my box from stable to testing. Changed the word "stable" to "testing" in sources.list, then typed apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade. Now my box is messed up. Wouldn't reboot, had to use a rescue disk to run lilo. Now it boots, but nothing works. even the ethernet card module is not loading. |
| 01:34.14 | yonatan | i have loaded its module + loaded the soundcore module |
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| 01:34.44 | yonatan | installed sndconfig ( the automatic sound configuration tool ) and yet it cannot detect no sound modules on my system , i am runing debian sid with kernel 2.6.6 |
| 01:35.03 | bluerav3n | did I do the upgrade correctly? |
| 01:35.18 | yonatan | bluerav3n, apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 01:35.47 | xinming | yonatan: what does lsmod say? |
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| 01:36.07 | karsten | !tell JoJa15 about ask |
| 01:36.40 | yonatan | xinming, can i flood your privet window? |
| 01:36.44 | karsten | bluerav3n: Can you get the box to the point where you can run an 'apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade'? |
| 01:36.51 | bluerav3n | yonatan: it is a bit complicated. I ran apt-get upgrade, and then apt-get dist-upgrade, and it wasn't working. I then was able to upgrade parts by hand, then finally apt-get upgrade didn't report anything back |
| 01:36.56 | karsten | bluerav3n: It's possible your update didn't complete |
| 01:36.59 | xinming | yonatan: join flood plz.Now I am in erc |
| 01:37.04 | xinming | sorry |
| 01:37.06 | yonatan | ok |
| 01:37.16 | bluerav3n | karsten: perhaps I could if the ethernet card module would load. |
| 01:37.17 | FsckIt | JoJa15: usually, #debian is better at answering smaller, more manageable questions |
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| 01:37.47 | FsckIt | JoJa15: i.e. what problem are you having exactly? what did you try to do to fix it? etc. |
| 01:38.13 | bluerav3n | the box is not on the internet, and ifconfig doesn't show eth0. insmod or modprobe won't load the module for the ethernet card |
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| 01:38.58 | yonatan | xinming, flooded |
| 01:39.01 | karsten | bluerav3n: You've got removable storage on the device? |
| 01:39.13 | karsten | bluerav3n: ...floppy, CDROM, USB drive, etc.? |
| 01:39.15 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: I am trying to get a Realtek 8180 based card working on my machine. It is a DLINK DWL-520 (Rev E) |
| 01:39.29 | bluerav3n | karsten: cd and an install cd. |
| 01:39.40 | JoJa15 | I have downloaded the driver and tried to install it via insmod -f rtl8180_24x.o |
| 01:39.43 | karsten | bluerav3n: Is the module *on* the system? |
| 01:40.00 | karsten | bluerav3n: ...what happens when you 'modprobe <ethernet module>' ? |
| 01:40.03 | JoJa15 | When I tried that I got a some warnings (too many to post here without flodding) |
| 01:40.03 | nono | the patch from www.bootsplash.org only is available until kernel 2.6.3... is there any version of the patch for version 2.6.7? |
| 01:40.10 | jmspeex | Anyone has an idea why I get poorer latency with debian compared to FC2, even with the same kernel? |
| 01:40.17 | bluerav3n | karsten: I believe it is (there is a 3c509.o and I think that is the one I need). |
| 01:40.18 | ShortWave | Ok I want to know |
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| 01:40.24 | JoJa15 | If I lsmod it shows the module but says initilizing |
| 01:40.33 | nono | ls |
| 01:40.41 | ShortWave | how can I tell apt-get to quit complaining about an unmet dependency and just DO WHAT I TELL IT TO DO? |
| 01:40.53 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: so then I compiled the module my self. |
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| 01:41.03 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: Then I tried insmod -f rtl8180_24x.o again |
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| 01:41.10 | mwilson | ShortWave: You don't, of course. |
| 01:41.17 | Spark | ShortWave: apitude has a superior user interface |
| 01:41.23 | ShortWave | mwilson: Figures |
| 01:41.25 | karsten | bluerav3n: Well: modprobe 3c509 |
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| 01:41.28 | mwilson | ShortWave: You see, in this case, it's MUCH smarter than you are. |
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| 01:41.34 | ShortWave | mwilson: Errr |
| 01:41.44 | ShortWave | mwilson: And just what makes you think I don't know what I'm doing? |
| 01:41.45 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: When I tried the insmod it says insmod: a module named rtl8180_24x already exists |
| 01:41.52 | karsten | Spark: I always thought it had a superior user attitude, but YMMV. |
| 01:41.56 | mwilson | ShortWave: It's pretty much obvious. |
| 01:42.01 | ShortWave | mwilson: Oh? |
| 01:42.16 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: if I try rmmod rtl8180_24x.o it says: rmmod: module rtl8180_24x.o is not loaded |
| 01:42.19 | Spark | karsten: interesting way of looking at it :) |
| 01:42.22 | ShortWave | mwilson: I suppose you deduced this without actually having any knowledge of the problem. |
| 01:42.23 | mwilson | ShortWave: Deliberate attempts to break the dependency database are seldom intelligent. |
| 01:42.29 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: I am a Linux novice. What do I do from here? |
| 01:42.30 | FsckIt | JoJa15: ok.. a few things |
| 01:42.36 | Spark | karsten: the presentation of the information is its major advantage i think |
| 01:42.40 | ShortWave | mwilson: Oh? |
| 01:42.48 | bluerav3n | karsten: it failed with a long and not very informative error message. |
| 01:42.59 | ShortWave | mwilson: I'm not trying to break it. I just want it to ignore ONE dependency...that being something I have a replacement for. |
| 01:43.02 | FsckIt | JoJa15: let's remove the module, first... do a rmmod trl8180_24x (without the .o) |
| 01:43.08 | mwilson | ShortWave: If that's NOT what you're attempting to do, then perhaps if you actually describe the problem you're trying to fix, rather than your interpretation of it. |
| 01:43.10 | karsten | bluerav3n: The less so for your not posting it here or to #flood. |
| 01:43.13 | Spark | mwilson: would you advise using aptitude in ShortWave's case, he's clearly not aware of the subtleties underlying his choice of packages... |
| 01:43.13 | bluerav3n | karsten: although part of the message was "no plug & play device found" |
| 01:43.15 | netsplit | I'd really think apt-get should let you get around the dependencies, 'cause users always know best is the unix philosophy. |
| 01:43.30 | karsten | bluerav3n: Deselect "plug&play OS" in your BIOS. |
| 01:43.34 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: OK tried that and got: rtl8180_24x: Device or resource busy |
| 01:43.36 | ShortWave | I would think so |
| 01:43.43 | ShortWave | Because I DO know best. |
| 01:43.44 | ShortWave | It's like this |
| 01:43.47 | ShortWave | I'm using Busybox |
| 01:43.52 | mwilson | Spark: I wouldn't advise using aptitude to my worst enemy. |
| 01:43.52 | FsckIt | netsplit: it does... you have to force it, is all |
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| 01:43.56 | karsten | Spark: I tend to use aptitude from cmdline, though I'll occasionally use it interactively. |
| 01:43.56 | ShortWave | Make wants to install fileutils |
| 01:44.02 | ShortWave | I DO NOT WANT fileutils |
| 01:44.05 | ShortWave | I've got my own stuff |
| 01:44.06 | mickeyks | ShortWave: maybe you want -force-yes? (not recommending it, just saying) |
| 01:44.06 | Spark | mwilson: why's that? |
| 01:44.10 | bluerav3n | karsten: even if I know it was working before with the same cmos settings? |
| 01:44.20 | FsckIt | ShortWave: look at the equivs package then |
| 01:44.24 | karsten | bluerav3n: Verify. I'd also appreciate your pasting to #flood. |
| 01:44.25 | ShortWave | I forced make to install, but now apt-get won't download anything because it complains that something is missing |
| 01:44.32 | xsdg | ShortWave: apt-cache show equivs |
| 01:44.36 | mwilson | ShortWave: Something IS. |
| 01:44.40 | karsten | bluerav3n: Otherwise, I've got a nice summer day outside, IYKWIM |
| 01:44.41 | ShortWave | xsdg: Spiffy |
| 01:44.50 | xsdg | ShortWave: use at your own risk |
| 01:44.52 | ShortWave | mwilson: Yes, and I want to override that behaviour. |
| 01:44.55 | GhettoForeignKid | can someone please tell me how to change the resolution linux loads into it? |
| 01:44.57 | ShortWave | xsdg: Heh, I'm brave. |
| 01:45.01 | ShortWave | xsdg: You know me :) |
| 01:45.04 | FsckIt | JoJa15: usually, with Linux, hardware drivers come with the kernel already.. you don't generally download and install drivers like with Windows |
| 01:45.05 | xsdg | 8) |
| 01:45.08 | mwilson | ShortWave: As I said, you deliberately broke the dependency database. |
| 01:45.12 | bluerav3n | karsten: I would paste but I am typing on another machine (ie- I would have to type about 10 packed lines in). |
| 01:45.17 | ShortWave | Yeah well |
| 01:45.27 | karsten | bluerav3n: That's nice. |
| 01:45.28 | mickeyks | GhettoForeignKid: weren't you here asking this 6 hours ago? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and set a new resolution |
| 01:45.38 | GhettoForeignKid | yah but it didn't work |
| 01:45.42 | ShortWave | If it works the way *I* want it to (which is the heart and soul of linux, really) then I don't care if I've got a dummy package |
| 01:45.42 | GhettoForeignKid | hold up i try again |
| 01:45.46 | bluerav3n | karsten: I am rebooting to see the cmos settings. |
| 01:45.52 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: I checked the modules directory for net/wireless and my Linux build did not have a module for my wireless card. That is why I tried to install one. |
| 01:46.06 | mickeyks | GhettoForeignKid: get all the info on your monitor and make sure you answer all those config questions correctly |
| 01:46.07 | mwilson | ShortWave: When the apt-get man page says "APT itself does not allow broken package dependencies to exist on a system"... did you think that was merely an advisory? |
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| 01:46.30 | ShortWave | mwilson: No, that's why I was asking about ways to circumvent it. |
| 01:46.47 | mwilson | ShortWave: There aren't any. If there were, then it would be allowed. |
| 01:46.49 | ShortWave | mwilson: Damn man, do you think I'd even be wasting my time with this if I didn't have a reason? |
| 01:46.59 | ShortWave | mwilson: APPARENTLY there is one. |
| 01:47.05 | mwilson | ShortWave: Of course I think you'd be wasting your time with it without a reason. |
| 01:47.30 | bluerav3n | karsten: just turned off plug and play in cmos. |
| 01:47.32 | ShortWave | mwilson: Well I'll just chalk that up to your inexperience with me. |
| 01:47.37 | bluerav3n | karsten: booting up now |
| 01:47.38 | mwilson | ShortWave: And no, there is not. There is only the equivs package, which allows you, for instance, to provide a fileutils package without actually providing one. |
| 01:47.39 | FsckIt | JoJa15: where did you download the driver from, by the way? |
| 01:47.48 | ShortWave | Which is PRECISELY what I want to do. |
| 01:48.07 | FsckIt | ShortWave: so, go use the equivs package, and have a Coke and smile |
| 01:48.13 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: From the Realtek site here: http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloads1-3.aspx?Keyword=8180 |
| 01:48.16 | karsten | bluerav3n: w/o having the specific error message, I'm mostly talking out of /dev/ass. So just to let you know, I'll not be wasting any more of _my_ time on this issue. |
| 01:48.34 | mwilson | ShortWave: No, you asked how to ignore dependencies. That, you cannot do. What you can do is use equivs to *satisfy* the dependency. Hence my trying to get you to actually describe what you were trying to do. |
| 01:48.37 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: I was following the directions in the readme in that zip file. |
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| 01:48.59 | ShortWave | mwilson: Either way, it's the same outcome |
| 01:49.20 | ShortWave | mwilson: The END RESULT is that I get apt-get to install the software I want, without complaining about missing things. |
| 01:49.26 | mwilson | ShortWave: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 01:49.44 | ShortWave | mwilson: Bottom line...I want apt-get to DO WHAT I TELL IT. |
| 01:49.47 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: Specifically I downloaded this zip file: ftp://152.104.125.40/cn/wlan/rtl8180l/rtl8180_linuxdrv_v15_rh90.zip |
| 01:49.50 | Epilog | hi there, anyone knows how can I add 9 seconds of silence to the beggining of a wav/mp3 file? |
| 01:49.52 | ShortWave | mwilson: I don't want it to think it knows better than me. |
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| 01:49.54 | mwilson | ShortWave: Which it will not do. |
| 01:49.57 | ShortWave | mwilson: Cuz it doesn't. |
| 01:49.59 | FsckIt | JoJa15: the issue here is that I really doubt you have the exact same kernel version compiled with the exact same gcc and the exact same options that they do |
| 01:50.01 | mwilson | ShortWave: And it DOES know better than you. |
| 01:50.08 | ShortWave | mwilson: If it really pisses me off, I'll edit the database by hand. |
| 01:50.08 | Xm4n | anyone know gnome2.6 is a beta or stable ? |
| 01:50.08 | sussudio | !cuz |
| 01:50.13 | bluerav3n | karsten: at boot up time- "eth0: Error while getting interface glags: no such device.\nBind socket to interface: no such device\nexiting\nFailed to bring up eth0" |
| 01:50.23 | FsckIt | JoJa15: compiling it yourself is the better approach, I believe |
| 01:50.27 | ShortWave | mwilson: Uh...no, it doesn't. |
| 01:50.29 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: I know. That is why after trying to insmod the driver I then compuled it myself. |
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| 01:50.37 | karsten | bluerav3n: That sounds like you're trying to ifup the device w/o the driver loaded. |
| 01:50.47 | mickeyks | when you do a make-kpkg modules_image, in what directory does the package you're making end up? |
| 01:50.57 | ShortWave | mwilson: It's a stupid application that should do what I tell it, rather than argue with my choices. That's what a computer is supposed to do. It's a tool. |
| 01:51.09 | sussudio | ShortWave: much like you |
| 01:51.10 | FsckIt | JoJa15: well, since rmmod won't actually remove it, it sounds like you'll need to reboot... and then when it comes back up, use the one you compiled, instead |
| 01:51.12 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: The problem is that when I try to insmod the new one I compiled myself it won't let me. It gives me this error: insmod: a module named rtl8180_24x already exists |
| 01:51.21 | mwilson | ShortWave: And you've been told how to fix what you've broken. So, what's the problem? |
| 01:51.23 | ShortWave | sussudio: heh...nice try |
| 01:51.30 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: OK I will try a reboot |
| 01:51.37 | ShortWave | mwilson: no problem anymore |
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| 01:51.57 | ShortWave | mwilson: Just offering you my opinion that your opinion that apt is smarter than me is wrong. |
| 01:52.09 | mb10 | looking for a little help with exim4 and mailman |
| 01:52.15 | mb10 | anyone got any experience? |
| 01:52.23 | bluerav3n | karsten: At modprobe (typing in) isapnp: Scanning for PnP cards...\nisapnp: No Plug & Play device found\n/lib/modules/2.4.20-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.o: init_module: No such device....to be continued |
| 01:52.27 | rosen | very little experience |
| 01:52.28 | Epilog | ShortWave: it only tell you what you should be doing regarding the maintainers option and the computer good function |
| 01:52.38 | mb10 | i'll take what i can get |
| 01:52.41 | izzy | does anybody know a good cli bittorrent program? |
| 01:52.49 | ShortWave | Epilog: Well I like to customize my computer. |
| 01:52.51 | rosen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.53 | ShortWave | Epilog: :) |
| 01:53.00 | Justin | !tell izzy about search |
| 01:53.12 | FsckIt | ShortWave: you do know you have the source code to apt, and therefore can make it do, well, pretty much anything you want, right? |
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| 01:53.18 | rosen | but tell us your problem |
| 01:53.19 | ShortWave | FsckIt: Yup |
| 01:53.19 | sussudio | izzy: um yeah. it's called "bittorrent". |
| 01:53.22 | mb10 | does postfix install ready to go? |
| 01:53.34 | ShortWave | FsckIt: But that's really more effort than I want to put into it. |
| 01:53.36 | mb10 | ah, well, I apt-get install exim4 mailman |
| 01:53.46 | bluerav3n | karsten: Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters.\n You man find more information in syslog of the output from dmesg.... to be continued |
| 01:53.46 | Epilog | ShortWave: I believe you like but apt-get sees all the nice options like depends from X package, suggests, conflicts, etc |
| 01:53.50 | mb10 | and everything is fine and dandy |
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| 01:53.56 | mb10 | create a list... fine |
| 01:53.59 | sussudio | mb10: stand and deliver. |
| 01:54.08 | FsckIt | ShortWave: for all the rest of us mere mortals, the fact that apt doesn't allow a broken system is a Good Thing(tm) |
| 01:54.13 | izzy | i downloaded it but it says it does not exist |
| 01:54.15 | ShortWave | Epilog: And that's great, most of the time. |
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| 01:54.24 | mwilson | Gods, I wish there was a way to turn off the idiotic parts of GTK file dialogs. |
| 01:54.25 | mb10 | but when i send to the list, it always bounces |
| 01:54.33 | Epilog | ShortWave: when I used RH and rpm I was able to do all kind of stuck and them caboom |
| 01:54.35 | izzy | apt-get install bittorrent.... installed, not found |
| 01:54.45 | Epilog | ShortWave: missing libs, wrong version libs, etc etc |
| 01:54.46 | sussudio | !info bittorrent stable |
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| 01:54.49 | mb10 | says that /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman is expected to be called by a group daemon process |
| 01:54.49 | yonatan | its called cittorrent no ? |
| 01:54.52 | sussudio | hm. |
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| 01:54.57 | sussudio | !info bittorrent testing |
| 01:54.58 | Epilog | izzy: dpkg -L bittorrent |
| 01:55.02 | ShortWave | Epilog: Well nobody said you didn't have to be careful and pay attention when you deliberately override package management settings. |
| 01:55.06 | yonatan | s/bittorrent/cittorrent/g :) |
| 01:55.11 | bluerav3n | karstan: /lib/modules/2.4.20-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.20-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.o failed... to be continued |
| 01:55.13 | dpkg | bittorrent: (Scatter-gather network file transfer), section net, is optional. Version: 3.4.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 536 kB |
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| 01:55.18 | sussudio | :-| |
| 01:55.20 | Epilog | ShortWave: of course, but what seems to be the problem? |
| 01:55.37 | mb10 | i've modded the config left and right |
| 01:55.37 | ShortWave | I've done the same things on Redhat too...and Irix too, which has, by far, the best package manager going |
| 01:55.40 | sussudio | !woody |
| 01:55.40 | dpkg | hmm... woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 01:55.44 | mb10 | but I feel like I'm defeating the debian way |
| 01:55.46 | izzy | it says its half installed somehow... |
| 01:55.48 | FsckIt | Epilog: the problem is that he seems to want to complain about something, and he's picked apt-get for this particulr adventure |
| 01:55.50 | sussudio | did they even have bittorrent in 2002? |
| 01:55.51 | Justin | bluerav3n: what ethernet card do you actually have |
| 01:55.58 | mb10 | apt-get should install things ready to go, right? |
| 01:55.59 | bluerav3n | karsten: last line- /lib/modules/2.4.20-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/net/3c509.o: insmod 3c509 failed |
| 01:56.00 | ShortWave | Epilog: It's easy. I don't want fileutils. I've got busybox...I'm building a custom system |
| 01:56.05 | bluerav3n | karsten: that was it. |
| 01:56.08 | Justin | sussudio: the first I saw it used was last year |
| 01:56.10 | yonatan | !ad1848 |
| 01:56.18 | ShortWave | Epilog: So since I've got busybox, fileutils of course fails on installation |
| 01:56.22 | sussudio | yonatan: omfg. have fun with that audio chip. |
| 01:56.23 | xsdg | ShortWave: equivs didn't help? |
| 01:56.23 | rosen | yes |
| 01:56.23 | karsten | bluerav3n: tnx |
| 01:56.32 | FsckIt | Epilog: and he already knows about equivs, but still wants to bitch about it anyway |
| 01:56.32 | ShortWave | Epilog: Make requires fileutils...etc. etc. etc. |
| 01:56.34 | mb10 | should i file a bug against it? |
| 01:56.41 | sussudio | mb10: against what? |
| 01:56.43 | yonatan | sussudio, dosnt seem to work for me |
| 01:56.46 | mb10 | mailman |
| 01:56.48 | rosen | what options so you take a start? |
| 01:56.52 | sussudio | yonatan: join the club. |
| 01:56.52 | yonatan | sussudio, you know its issue? |
| 01:56.54 | ShortWave | FsckIt: See, I really don't want to complain. I'm working on fixing it right now. However, I don't like to be insulted. |
| 01:57.03 | rosen | 1,2,...5???? |
| 01:57.04 | karsten | bluerav3n: Try disabling isapnp fully. |
| 01:57.07 | yonatan | wait you claim that it wont work ? |
| 01:57.13 | xsdg | rosen: 13!!! |
| 01:57.13 | mb10 | options? |
| 01:57.24 | karsten | bluerav3n: http://seclists.org/linux-kernel/2001/Feb/0614.html |
| 01:57.24 | sussudio | yonatan: just get a nice sb16 somewhere if you really need an ISA card. |
| 01:57.26 | yonatan | sussudio, you calim it wont work for me? |
| 01:57.28 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: OK I rebooted and then tried the insmod again. This is the message I get: Warning: loading rtl8180_24x.o will taint the kernel: forced load. See http://www.tux.org/lkml/#export-tainted for information about tainted modules. Segmentation fault |
| 01:57.32 | ShortWave | xsdg: Reading the docs on it now, seems ilke it might do the trick. |
| 01:57.33 | rosen | try dpkg --recoonfigure exim |
| 01:57.39 | bluerav3n | karsten: how do I do that? I turned off pnp in cmos. |
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| 01:57.51 | mb10 | okay... what might that do? |
| 01:57.53 | yonatan | sussudio, awe64 gold ,that's what i got here im not going to get anything else |
| 01:57.54 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: When I try lsmod It says it is initializing. |
| 01:57.59 | yonatan | this will work |
| 01:58.02 | rosen | ask you for the option |
| 01:58.08 | sussudio | awe64 has an AD1848?? |
| 01:58.16 | rosen | to configure exim speedly |
| 01:58.17 | yonatan | i think so. |
| 01:58.22 | sussudio | :-\ |
| 01:58.25 | yonatan | why? |
| 01:58.25 | mb10 | alright... wel, I'll give it a go |
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| 01:58.32 | FsckIt | ShortWave: ok, fair enough... it's just that usually when we say, if you are providing something in /usr/local or so that would otherwise be provided by a debian package, use equivs... usually, the people say, oh well cool, and off they go to use equivs |
| 01:58.32 | Epilog | ShortWave: fileutils -> Empty package to facilitate upgrades, can be safely removed. |
| 01:58.39 | karsten | bluerav3n: Not entirely sure. |
| 01:58.39 | mb10 | rosen: but you use postfix and mailman? |
| 01:58.41 | sussudio | yonatan: AD1848 don't come by themselves, they have a companion chip. |
| 01:58.46 | karsten | bluerav3n: lsmod | grep pnp |
| 01:58.52 | sussudio | !awe64 |
| 01:58.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, awe64 is an ISA PnP sound card that uses the 'sb' driver. Ask me about 'isapnp sound'. |
| 01:58.53 | Epilog | ShortWave: stable/test/unst? |
| 01:58.55 | yonatan | so what should i do to make it work ? |
| 01:58.57 | ShortWave | FsckIt: Well that's no issue...I'm working on that now. |
| 01:59.07 | yonatan | !isapnp sound |
| 01:59.08 | dpkg | (0) determine which module to use; (1) pnpdump -c >/etc/isapnp.conf; isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf; (2) read /etc/isapnp.conf and get the IO, IRQ and DMA; (3) echo "options MODULE io=IO irq=IRQ dma=DMA" >> /etc/modutils/sound; update-modules; (4) modprobe MODULE; (5) cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp; (6) adduser USERNAME audio |
| 01:59.10 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: The weird thing is that in the lsmod the size of the driver is different from my compiled version even though I ran the insmod from the directory where the new compiled one is stored. |
| 01:59.17 | bluerav3n | karsten: nothing in lsmod |
| 01:59.17 | rosen | mb10 : no |
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| 01:59.21 | ShortWave | FsckIt: Just, you know, having someone tell me that apt is smarter than me "in this case" without actually knowing what the case is, is a trifle annoying. |
| 01:59.32 | bluerav3n | karsten: after the grep. |
| 01:59.44 | FsckIt | ShortWave: you on the other hand, did not do that, but still had some sort of problem with apt-get, even though it's working just as it was designed.. so.. you see why I come to the conclusion that I did... |
| 01:59.46 | karsten | bluerav3n: http://seclists.org/linux-kernel/2001/Feb/0640.html |
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| 01:59.57 | mickeyks | hm |
| 02:00.02 | karsten | bluerav3n: I googled "Scanning for PnP" 3c509 |
| 02:00.16 | karsten | bluerav3n: ...which you can pretty much do yourself and sort through the results. I'd do both web and groups. |
| 02:00.22 | FsckIt | ShortWave: well, package dependencies are the heart of Debian.. if you don't like them, perhaps you would be happier with Slackware? |
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| 02:00.34 | ShortWave | FsckIt: Fair enough. I was annoyed. It's ok tho...I'm making it work how I want it. |
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| 02:00.54 | ShortWave | FsckIt: That's all well and good...but there are situations in which I like debian, and this is one of them...this is just a minor annoyance. |
| 02:01.26 | karsten | bluerav3n: Generally I avoid *anything* PnP like the plague. Sounds like the card wants a specific IRQ. |
| 02:01.31 | FsckIt | JoJa15: I'm sorry, but I really don't know what to tell you... does DLink not provide an open source version of the driver for this card? |
| 02:01.43 | FsckIt | JoJa15: and, how do you know to use that realtek driver, anyway? |
| 02:01.50 | Epilog | ShortWave: my make (sid) only depends on libc6 |
| 02:02.16 | ShortWave | Epilog: hrm, well...don't know what to say about that. |
| 02:02.22 | Justin | bluerav3n: what ethernet card do you actually have |
| 02:02.22 | ShortWave | Epilog: Mine wants libc6 and fileutils |
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| 02:02.40 | bluerav3n | karsten: I don't even know why it is trying to scan using pnp? I never told it to do that. |
| 02:02.44 | Epilog | ShortWave: sid? |
| 02:02.57 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: Unfortunately DLINK does not. I am using the Realtek driver because when I lspci -n it shows it as a Realtek 8180. On DLINK's website they have a link to Realtek's site for unsupported linux drivers for their 8180l based cards |
| 02:03.01 | ShortWave | Epilog: nope |
| 02:03.01 | bluerav3n | justin: I was told 3com, but I am about to double check. |
| 02:03.02 | cacike | I've changed my motherboard, processor, and video card... do I have to re-install debian now'??? LILO crashes |
| 02:03.07 | ShortWave | Epilog: It's a knoppix variant |
| 02:03.13 | Epilog | ShortWave: Installed: 3.80-7 |
| 02:03.15 | karsten | bluerav3n: Me neither. It worked before? Got a bootable distro (eg: Knoppix) you can check config on? |
| 02:03.36 | Xeeble | hmm does debian default to a "not talking on the network" mode? |
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| 02:03.55 | bluerav3n | karsten: not nearby. One second, I am going to 100% verify that it is 3com. |
| 02:04.00 | ShortWave | Xeeble: not usually, but if it can't find your network hardware... |
| 02:04.01 | Epilog | ShortWave: make 3.79.1-14 -> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), fileutils (>= 4.0) |
| 02:04.10 | ShortWave | Xeeble: Then it won't talk to the network |
| 02:04.23 | Xeeble | I think it has found it okay |
| 02:04.29 | Xeeble | and got and addy via dhcp etc |
| 02:04.33 | Epilog | ShortWave: but has I told you before, in sid, fileutils is a upgrade package, almost all is in coreutils |
| 02:04.37 | Xeeble | seems to be able to ping out too |
| 02:04.41 | Xeeble | nothing gets in tho |
| 02:04.49 | cacike | I've changed my motherboard, processor, and video card... do I have to re-install debian now'??? LILO crashes |
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| 02:04.54 | cacike | any idea? |
| 02:05.05 | Justin | cacike: define "lilo crashes" |
| 02:05.13 | cacike | lilo doesn't run |
| 02:05.23 | cacike | it displays weird symbols |
| 02:05.24 | Justin | cacike: define "doesn't run" |
| 02:05.25 | Xeeble | ah |
| 02:05.28 | Xeeble | stupid thing |
| 02:05.29 | Justin | cacike: define "weird symbols" |
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| 02:05.33 | Justin | !lart cacike |
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| 02:05.39 | cacike | like "333333333333333333333333333333333l3l3l3l33lllll" |
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| 02:05.53 | geppel | What module do I need to install to get mouse support on the console?? |
| 02:06.10 | sussudio | cacike: no it doesn't |
| 02:06.17 | alindeman_ | geppel: gdm ? |
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| 02:06.45 | geppel | nope, just so you can use the mouse in the console/terminal |
| 02:06.51 | geppel | i'm not running any window manager |
| 02:06.56 | joruss | geppel: gpm? |
| 02:07.00 | alindeman_ | Uhh, yah |
| 02:07.03 | alindeman_ | That's what I meant |
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| 02:07.22 | geppel | kbr, thanks |
| 02:07.23 | joruss | alindeman: which version of debian do you run? |
| 02:07.37 | alindeman_ | joruss: I run gentoo, but I knew gpm :P |
| 02:07.43 | FsckIt | JoJa15: is there any possibility of returning that card, and getting one with an open source driver? |
| 02:07.46 | alindeman_ | Just didn't type it correctly |
| 02:07.56 | geppel | thanks alindeman |
| 02:08.05 | joruss | alindeman: well I had a question between using woody or sarge or sid |
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| 02:08.42 | bluerav3n | karsten: I was toldby thepc owner that it is 3com, but I can't verify (it is an onboard ethernet connector). Is there a way to probe for this? |
| 02:08.46 | alindeman_ | No idea joruss |
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| 02:09.15 | karsten | bluerav3n: lspci |
| 02:09.17 | mhall | hello, where can i get libdvdcss2 debs |
| 02:09.18 | JoJa15 | Fscklt: Unfortunately no. If I cannot get this to work I may need to go buy one. Is there any cards you recommend? I am also thinking about trying "ndiswrapper" which allows you to use a windows driver for your wireless card in Linux |
| 02:09.26 | karsten | bluerav3n: Best bet's to pull the case off and look at the card markings. |
| 02:09.28 | mickeyks | i compiled alsa-source, installed the package, but xmms still fails to attach to mixer hw:0 or open pcm device (default) |
| 02:09.35 | mickeyks | what might i be doing wrong? |
| 02:09.49 | joruss | anyone have any luck getting an ATI Mobility 4 MF to run under woody? |
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| 02:10.14 | Justin | karsten: no, best bet is to run lspci |
| 02:10.19 | mhall | !tell me about css |
| 02:10.31 | mhall | !tell me about libdvdcss |
| 02:10.34 | mhall | !tell me about libdvdcss2 |
| 02:10.45 | mwilson | mickeyks: Besides using ALSA? :) |
| 02:10.55 | karsten | Justin: Some of us prefer physical evidence. |
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| 02:11.02 | FsckIt | JoJa15: you can try ndiswrapper.. I've heard of it, but never used it (or heard much good/bad about it) |
| 02:11.04 | bluerav3n | karsten: Ha! that did it. lspci showed that there is a sis controller on the system. That driver loaded. |
| 02:11.23 | Justin | karsten: some of us prefer to use the same method of identifying hardware that the kernel uses rather than guessing |
| 02:11.25 | karsten | bluerav3n: Funny that. |
| 02:11.31 | bluerav3n | karsten: The owned was wrong, it wasn't 3c0m. |
| 02:11.34 | karsten | bluerav3n: ...loading the wrong driver occasionally leads to problems. |
| 02:11.44 | karsten | bluerav3n: Aye. |
| 02:11.44 | sussudio | !tell mhall about msg the bot |
| 02:11.46 | mickeyks | mwilson: i know how you feel, but menuconfig said oss was deprecated, and i just couldn't bring myself not to install alsa :) |
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| 02:12.00 | bluerav3n | karsten: owned= owner. |
| 02:12.03 | karsten | Justin: lspci is my first resort. Pulling the card and Googling markings is my proof-positive. |
| 02:12.10 | mwilson | mickeyks: If you don't need it, why use it? |
| 02:12.22 | FsckIt | JoJa15: I don't know what to recommend, exactly.. but I will say this, be careful about not only the brand and the model, but the revision, some companies (DLink is one) will sell completely different cards with completely different chipsets as the same brand and model |
| 02:13.22 | mickeyks | mwilson: it seems a popular choice. i figured if i had questions with oss, most people would tell me to use alsa. so i'm trying to skip a step. |
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| 02:13.56 | bluerav3n | karsten: thanks so far. I am going to play a second longer to actually set up the ethernet connection correctly, then I will try apt-get dist-upgrade again. |
| 02:13.58 | karsten | bluerav3n: So you're happy? Add that module to /etc/modules. |
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| 02:14.05 | karsten | bluerav3n: Right. |
| 02:14.05 | jono | hi all |
| 02:15.02 | jono | I am having a problem creating an authorised passwordless ssh connection - I generated my keey with ssh-keygen -d and copied it to .ssh/authorized_keys2 on the server, but when I try to connect I am asked for my password - any idea? |
| 02:15.04 | mickeyks | mwilson: alsa comes with oss emulation though, right? so if i wanted to do it your way, i still could, without recompiling the kernel |
| 02:15.30 | karsten | jono: File permissions. |
| 02:15.43 | FsckIt | JoJa15: oh, and definitely use Google :-) |
| 02:15.48 | mwilson | mickeyks: That just adds another layer of indirection. |
| 02:15.53 | karsten | jono: ...and it should be ~/.ssh/authorized_keyes |
| 02:16.06 | jono | karsten what should the perms be on the server for the file? |
| 02:16.08 | karsten | jono: 644 perms on that file. |
| 02:16.32 | karsten | jono: ...also if your _local_ identity file perms are wrong (must *NOT* be g/w readable) the connection won't work. |
| 02:16.40 | mickeyks | mwilson: true enough, but i don't want to recompile the kernel just do do this... |
| 02:16.49 | karsten | jono: 'ssh -v user@remote' to get full diagnostic output. |
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| 02:18.39 | jono | karsten: when I run ssh-keygen -d, I entered a password, should I enter no password? |
| 02:19.19 | karsten | jono: Hrm. |
| 02:19.26 | karsten | jono: No, you *want* a password. |
| 02:19.34 | jono | karsten thats what I thought |
| 02:19.56 | karsten | jono: Your ssh keypair is your authentication token. What you want to do is provide a password for that, then deal with *that* password somehow. |
| 02:19.58 | jono | I generated a file.pub file and that is the only file that is generated |
| 02:20.10 | karsten | jono: ...the password may be the same or different from other passwords. I recommend different. |
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| 02:20.23 | bluerav3n | karsten: great. I added the module to /etc/modules, and now ethernet works. apt-get dist-upgrade returns "reading package lists... done\nbuilding dependency tree... done\ncalculating upgrade... done\n0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded" |
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| 02:20.59 | karsten | jono: ...and the easiest way to manage it is to run 'ssh-add' when you start a new X session. Debian runs its X sessions under ssh-agent, which means you get passwordless ssh connections as a bonus (after running ssh-add). |
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| 02:21.04 | karsten | bluerav3n: k3wl. |
| 02:21.11 | karsten | jono: ...you can also revoke the password. |
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| 02:21.44 | jono | karsten hmmm, I am a bit confused |
| 02:21.48 | karsten | jono: So you *will* be prompted for a password even using SSH. But it's either per-connection, and the keypair password, or once-only (w/ ssh-add) -- also the keypair password. |
| 02:21.49 | jono | I will go and read some docs |
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| 02:22.06 | karsten | jono: ssh-keygen. Supply a unique password. |
| 02:22.20 | Justin | s/password/passphrase/ |
| 02:22.27 | bluerav3n | karsten: but does that mean that I definitely have an upgraded system? After running apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade I have had to manually run lilo (using a rescue disk), add the ethernet module, and now I still have to get X working again (it is completely broken). |
| 02:22.27 | karsten | jono: Copy the public keyfile to the remote host and add it to remote:.ssh/authorized_keys. |
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| 02:22.38 | karsten | jono: Run 'ssh-add' |
| 02:22.38 | jono | karsten yep done that |
| 02:22.45 | karsten | jono: Run 'ssh user@remote' |
| 02:22.54 | karsten | jono: For 'ssh-add', you'll be prompted for a password. |
| 02:23.00 | karsten | jono: ...for ssh user@remote', you won't be. |
| 02:23.17 | jono | when I run ssh-add it says it cannot open a connection to an auth agent |
| 02:23.21 | karsten | jono: On the off chance ssh-add doesn't work, we'll talk |
| 02:23.26 | karsten | jono: How do you start X? |
| 02:23.27 | g4lt | nick g4lt-away |
| 02:23.35 | thomas_adam | heh |
| 02:23.36 | jono | this is on a server, no X |
| 02:23.38 | Finn | anyone know if I can boot the sarge-installer cd with the 2.4 kernel, choose the expert install and then pick the 2.6 kernel for my installation? I want to avoid the 2.6 drive geometry parted bug which borks my windows xp booting. |
| 02:23.40 | thomas_adam | dpkg, tell ...... |
| 02:24.02 | karsten | jono: ...and/or *are* you running X? |
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| 02:24.19 | jono | karsten no I am not using X, this is a server |
| 02:24.28 | X-Bull | Seems like the Debian people are behind |
| 02:24.46 | yonatan | !isapnp sound |
| 02:24.46 | dpkg | (0) determine which module to use; (1) pnpdump -c >/etc/isapnp.conf; isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf; (2) read /etc/isapnp.conf and get the IO, IRQ and DMA; (3) echo "options MODULE io=IO irq=IRQ dma=DMA" >> /etc/modutils/sound; update-modules; (4) modprobe MODULE; (5) cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp; (6) adduser USERNAME audio |
| 02:24.54 | X-Bull | jono: What chat client are you using ? |
| 02:24.54 | karsten | jono: OK: at the bash prompt: eval $( ssh-proxy ) |
| 02:25.07 | karsten | jono: Wups: eval $( ssh-agent ) |
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| 02:25.23 | karsten | g4lt-away: don\t men\tion i\t. |
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| 02:25.28 | jono | karsten ok got a PID |
| 02:25.34 | jono | X-Bull bitchx |
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| 02:25.38 | dedalo | hi, i have some debian machines working as vmware guest machines, i want to put one of them with real hw, i think that if i made a backup in a .tar file, i could restore it and get the system, any suggestions? |
| 02:25.50 | yonatan | this did not work for me , the module did not load at modprobe >!isapnp sound |
| 02:25.55 | jono | X-Bull why? |
| 02:25.59 | karsten | jono: Yeah, that's the agent PID. You'll want to hunt it down and kill it. You also set a couple of env vars: set | grep -i ssh |
| 02:26.01 | X-Bull | jono: How do you use bitch-x without X ? |
| 02:26.08 | harfooz | Hi all. |
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| 02:26.22 | bluerav3n | karsten: I mean, if this is normal stuff for an upgrade, I don't mind, but am am thinking that the fact that I ran into so much trouble means that my upgrade didn't work and the whole system is messed up. Is this normal? |
| 02:26.30 | karsten | jono: SSH_AGENT_PID and SSH_AUTH_SOCK. Don't worry about them, but ssh-agent uses 'em. |
| 02:26.52 | karsten | bluerav3n: Sounds to me like you were misdirected in what kernel modules you needed. Sounds like an initial setup problem. |
| 02:27.02 | karsten | bluerav3n: You want to watch your kernel mods though. |
| 02:27.12 | yonatan | anyone wants to help me a bit here?:) |
| 02:27.20 | thomas_adam | !tell yonatan about ask |
| 02:27.22 | karsten | jono: At this point: 'ssh-add'. Should prompt you for a password, then tell you it's added one or more keys. |
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| 02:27.35 | karsten | !anyone |
| 02:27.35 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 02:27.39 | jono | karsten same error |
| 02:27.41 | yonatan | thomas_adam, dont be a pain in the a... i have asked ;) |
| 02:27.49 | bluerav3n | karsten: it worked until I upgraded. doed upgrade break this stuff? |
| 02:27.51 | karsten | jono: Paste here 1-2 lines. |
| 02:27.54 | yonatan | this did not work for me , the module did not load at modprobe >!isapnp sound |
| 02:27.56 | jono | karsten I am on a bash shell, do I need to use export instead of set |
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| 02:28.06 | Epilog | well time to sleep |
| 02:28.13 | Epilog | big day tomorrow |
| 02:28.16 | yonatan | Epilog, gnight |
| 02:28.19 | Epilog | portugal-greece for the european title |
| 02:28.22 | thomas_adam | jono: not necessarily. |
| 02:28.24 | jono | karsten oh no, the vars are set |
| 02:28.29 | jono | the PID is the same as before |
| 02:28.30 | X-Bull | Is anybody running GNU/Hurd right now ? |
| 02:28.30 | karsten | bluerav3n: Upgrade apparently changed your kernel. It usually gets things right. If you ran a custom kernel and did things outside the Debian way, that's one possibility for getting things wrong. |
| 02:28.30 | Epilog | go Portugal !!!!1 |
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| 02:28.37 | GhettoForeignKid | err the resolution thing still didn't work |
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| 02:29.00 | bluerav3n | karsten: I guess so. Oh, well, thanks for the info. |
| 02:29.15 | mickeyks | GhettoForeignKid: try ctrl-alt-+ |
| 02:29.16 | jono | hmm |
| 02:29.27 | sussudio | X-Bull: i think i can safely say that, no, nobody is actually running GNU/Hurd now. |
| 02:29.32 | jono | karsten it says: Could not open a connection to your authentication agent. |
| 02:29.33 | karsten | jono: the 'eval $( ssh-agent ) does a few things. It starts a program that watches a socket in /tmp. It tells the shell where that socket is by setting an environment variable. And it gives its own PID via an env variable. Which the 'eval' then sets on the shell. |
| 02:29.53 | karsten | jono: set | grep SSH_AUTH_SOCK; ps | grep $SSH_AGENT_PID |
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| 02:30.15 | edward_ | ls |
| 02:30.21 | sussudio | password: |
| 02:30.25 | jono | karsten ok I just run that command |
| 02:30.25 | karsten | jono: You should get two/three lines of output showing your socket and the process ID. |
| 02:30.38 | jono | I get one line |
| 02:30.41 | karsten | jono: If the agent isn't running, it can't help you. |
| 02:30.47 | Justin | sussudio: tarzeau does |
| 02:30.51 | karsten | jono: ps aux | grep [s]sh-agent. Anything running? |
| 02:31.04 | karsten | jono: If not, re-launch: eval $( ssh-agent ) |
| 02:31.05 | jono | ahha no |
| 02:31.26 | karsten | jono: Not having a running agent makes agent-based auth difficult. |
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| 02:31.31 | sussudio | tarzeau: you bastard! |
| 02:31.34 | karsten | thomas_adam: ( readability ) |
| 02:31.47 | thomas_adam | karsten: \oh, o\k. :) |
| 02:31.49 | jono | karsten I just tyried ssh-ad dnow and it never gave an error, but did not ask for a password |
| 02:31.49 | sussudio | thomas_adam: do you have 220 or 110 volts in the UK? |
| 02:31.59 | karsten | jono: Try 'ssh-add'. |
| 02:31.59 | thomas_adam | sussudio: 240 |
| 02:32.01 | jono | karsten does my public key need to be in .ssh |
| 02:32.14 | karsten | jono: Yes. ssh-keygen will put it there. |
| 02:32.17 | sussudio | thomas_adam: why the fucked up USian-like plugs then? |
| 02:33.12 | thomas_adam | sussudio: UK plugs have three pins (thanks to BS), one for live, earth and neutral. |
| 02:33.15 | jono | karsten right asks for a pass - do I add a password? |
| 02:33.50 | sussudio | thomas_adam: yes, and we in yerp have the euro plugs with 2 pins and ground |
| 02:33.52 | X-Bull | sussudio: Okay thanks for the info |
| 02:33.57 | karsten | jono: Yes. This will be your ssh password/passphrase. |
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| 02:34.09 | thomas_adam | sussudio: so... umm, you've lost me. :) |
| 02:34.29 | sussudio | thomas_adam: *shrug*. they're called euro plugs. |
| 02:34.37 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Oh, I see. |
| 02:35.07 | thomas_adam | sussudio: The only plug I have with no earth pin is my electric shaver. These usually only have two plugs and plug into special shaving lights. :) |
| 02:35.09 | sussudio | thomas_adam: i got a scanner in the box-o-assorted-crap and appearently it's from the UK. it has the - - like plug but is 220 volts |
| 02:35.19 | jono | karsten right, how can I make it passwordless now? |
| 02:35.31 | sussudio | !tell jono about passwordless ssh |
| 02:35.36 | Tezkah | is the ia64 debian install CD AMD64? |
| 02:35.37 | sussudio | meh. |
| 02:35.39 | sussudio | !listkeys password |
| 02:35.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'password' by key (9 shown): password #DEL# ;; literal i forgot root's password ;; password ;; ssh without password ;; password reset #DEL# ;; password reset ;; i forgot rahul's password ;; i forgot root's password ;; forgot mysql root password. |
| 02:35.52 | sussudio | !tell jono about ssh without password |
| 02:36.31 | Tezkah | anyone? is AMD64 == ia64? |
| 02:36.38 | sussudio | Tezkah: no. |
| 02:36.41 | karsten | jono: You authenticate to the agent *once*. It then supplies credentials (via its socket) to any ssh client which requests one, and has read access to the socket. |
| 02:36.47 | thomas_adam | MikeH: I've told you about this on the other IRC network we're both on... STOP IT. |
| 02:36.56 | karsten | jono: So now: ssh user@remote |
| 02:37.05 | karsten | jono: Should put you straight in w/o a password request. |
| 02:37.13 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Your scanner probably relies on the fact that some power is drawn from the computer, |
| 02:37.21 | Tezkah | sussudio: which install would you use for AMD64, just the i386? or is there a 64bit option? |
| 02:37.23 | karsten | jono: ...if it *does* request a password, run with '-v' to see where it's failing on the RSAKey autn. |
| 02:37.29 | sussudio | thomas_adam: no, it's a scsi scanner |
| 02:37.38 | thomas_adam | sussudio: heh. |
| 02:37.42 | sussudio | Tezkah: #debian-boot |
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| 02:38.13 | sussudio | thomas_adam: scsi scanner = good. usb/parallel scanner = fuckingslowbadmofo |
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| 02:38.17 | F-Lelo | What should I put in the X config file in order to make it use my USB mouse? |
| 02:38.24 | sussudio | !tell F-Lelo about usbmouse |
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| 02:38.29 | F-Lelo | Thanks |
| 02:38.42 | prologic | I have a problem with apt-proxy... When I use "real sources" I see more packages available than I do through the "apt-proxy sources". Is there anything I can change ? apt-proxy is and should be using the same real-sources that I put in myself. |
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| 02:39.12 | mickeyks | how do i set a default pcm device? |
| 02:39.17 | thomas_adam | prologic: I rememver this being in the apt-proxy FAQ. |
| 02:39.21 | jono | karsten how do I authenticate it karsten it does ask for the password again, I added -v and I dont know where the problem is |
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| 02:39.41 | prologic | thomas_adam, ok ta |
| 02:39.45 | thomas_adam | MikeH: for sound? |
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| 02:39.58 | karsten | jono: paste to #flood. |
| 02:40.02 | sgeigerbot | When I accidentally deleted (somehow) /var/lib/apt/, I had to run these commands again: "sudo mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial; sudo apt-get update" I then tried to install something, and this worked wonderfully. However, I got a lot of messages like these: "dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libtext-charwidth-perl' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed." |
| 02:40.02 | sussudio | thomas_adam: spiderman is having you for dinner tonight. i hear he smoked kippers. |
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| 02:40.07 | sgeigerbot | what should I do? |
| 02:40.42 | X-Bull | Sometimes I wish their was a big internet library with all books stored in electronic pdf form |
| 02:40.44 | mickeyks | for sound |
| 02:40.57 | sgeigerbot | X-Bull: bleh...why PDF!! |
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| 02:41.07 | jello | sgeigerbot: that's why you make backups... |
| 02:41.16 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: one sec, I have a URL link for you to fix that. |
| 02:41.24 | jello | X-Bull: pg.net/ |
| 02:41.44 | X-Bull | sgeigerbot: PDF's are coveniant |
| 02:41.46 | jono | karsten sorry I have to run - thanks for your help |
| 02:41.53 | sgeigerbot | X-Bull: Bull. |
| 02:42.03 | FsckIt | sgeigerbot: which format would you suggest? |
| 02:42.07 | karsten | jono: NP. |
| 02:42.14 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: http://linuxworld.com/story/32607_p.htm |
| 02:42.17 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: Is it "How to recover from a near-catastrophic deletion of /var in a Debian installation"? |
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| 02:42.37 | sussudio | FsckIt: if he said emacs, you have my permission to kill him |
| 02:42.45 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: almost. :) |
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| 02:43.07 | X-Bull | jello: Whats the complete link for that URL you posted ? |
| 02:43.11 | prologic | thomas_adam, I did not see my problem in the FAQ in /usr/share/doc/apt-proxy/README.gz |
| 02:43.36 | FsckIt | sussudio: emacs isn't a format, it's an OS (which is still looking for a decent text editor, I might add) |
| 02:43.40 | thomas_adam | prologic: Then I was mistaken. Ask on their mailing-list. |
| 02:43.43 | jello | X-Bull: just type "project gutenberg" into google |
| 02:43.44 | Tezkah | emacs is a religion! |
| 02:43.54 | FsckIt | Tezkah: that too |
| 02:43.58 | prologic | thomas_adam, apt-proxy has it's own mailing list ? |
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| 02:44.10 | Epilog | is there a chm viewer for linux? |
| 02:44.14 | X-Bull | jello: http://promo.net/pg/ thats it |
| 02:44.19 | thomas_adam | prologic: I am not your research bot, but aye. |
| 02:44.20 | sussudio | FsckIt: i hope that occasion has a lot of mem. |
| 02:44.22 | Epilog | htmlhelp/ebooks? |
| 02:44.29 | Tezkah | pfft, you're like those religious folk who *only* go to church on sunday |
| 02:44.30 | jello | X-Bull: yeah, that's it... |
| 02:44.32 | Tezkah | I run emacs 24/7! |
| 02:44.36 | Tezkah | I am a true believer! |
| 02:44.43 | prologic | thomas_adam, sorry, but some things you just don't know ;) heh (by you I mean me) |
| 02:45.15 | FsckIt | sussudio: you know.. I'm sure that used to be a big deal.. but nowadays, 8 Megs doesn't mean Constantly Swapping. |
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| 02:45.48 | Alleria | I have a system where sshing into an rbashed account doesn't make rbash act restricted, but being already logged in and suing to that account does make rbash act restricted like it should. Can anyone help? |
| 02:45.52 | sussudio | FsckIt: like that KD lang song? "Connnnnnstaaant Swapppping... is allll iiii dooooo" |
| 02:46.04 | X-Bull | jello: Okay their are some interesting e-books on the site |
| 02:46.09 | FsckIt | sussudio: I'm sorry.. I don't listen to crap |
| 02:46.14 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: yes, well, I started simply doing "apt-get install --reinstall ..." for every missing package. I ran into a dependency problem, though. I'll do a dist-upgrade now. That looks as if it is the jist of what that web page suggests doing. |
| 02:46.41 | sussudio | FsckIt: yes you do |
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| 02:47.01 | FsckIt | sussudio: ok, maybe I do.. but I don't listen to *that* crap |
| 02:47.01 | sgeigerbot | FsckIt: Does it sound like the ocean? |
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| 02:47.11 | FsckIt | :-) |
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| 02:47.57 | sgeigerbot | (That looks like a bash.org entry to me!) |
| 02:48.07 | prologic | thomas_adam, actually the script in /usr/share/apt-proxy/examples/ which turns a sources.list into an apt-proxy.conf works nicely :) |
| 02:48.31 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: one trick I might suggest you do, is: cd /usr/share/doc && apt-get -f -y install $(find $(pwd) -type d -maxdepth 1 -printf ' %P') |
| 02:48.46 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: if it complains about already installed, --reinstall :) |
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| 02:49.18 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: /usr/share/doc should be a near damn complete list, seeing as it is policy for a given package to supply a Changelog file there, regardless. |
| 02:49.19 | jello | thomas_adam: i think the --reinstall doesn't hurt if it's not there |
| 02:49.24 | X-Bull | Have you ever used RPM's on Debian ? |
| 02:49.25 | thomas_adam | jello: It does. |
| 02:49.29 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: does every package have a directory in /usr/share/doc? I kind of doubt that. |
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| 02:49.36 | nekrataal | hello |
| 02:49.38 | sussudio | X-Bull: have you ever seen movies about gladiators? |
| 02:49.40 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: (see last reply) |
| 02:49.56 | jello | sgeigerbot: it has to for the changelog, copyright, etc... |
| 02:49.57 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: I could still do "dpkg --list" ...so I would probably prefer using that info... |
| 02:50.03 | X-Bull | sussudio: Yeah, Why ? |
| 02:50.21 | sussudio | X-Bull: i rest my case |
| 02:50.23 | jello | sgeigerbot: can you do dpkg --get-selections ? |
| 02:50.23 | sgeigerbot | jello: Hmmm. |
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| 02:50.41 | sgeigerbot | jello: yep. |
| 02:50.49 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '{print $1}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 02:50.52 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: (possibly) |
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| 02:51.01 | thomas_adam | jello: That won't work. |
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| 02:51.06 | sgeigerbot | jello: I'm doing a dist-upgrade now. I think my problem wasn't quite as severe as deleting all of /var |
| 02:51.21 | X-Bull | I am trying to find this book, named "Do Androids Dream of Electronic Sheep" ? |
| 02:51.29 | winston | hey I had installed Gnome from unstable packages, is it possible to convert to 'testing' without losing all of my settings in gnome ? |
| 02:51.33 | karsten | sgeigerbot: What did you blow away? |
| 02:51.46 | FsckIt | X-Bull: local library? |
| 02:51.49 | sgeigerbot | thanks, all...I think I'm already on my way out of the wood(y)s...but I'll keep your comments just in case I need more ideas. |
| 02:51.57 | sussudio | karsten: his life savings on a priceless turnip. |
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| 02:52.22 | karsten | sussudio: Hrm... Dutch auction? |
| 02:52.33 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: no probs. |
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| 02:52.39 | sussudio | karsten: i take it you didn't see the blackadder series. |
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| 02:53.32 | winston | so do I just have to remove gnome and reinstall the 'testing' version and hope I don't lose the settings? |
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| 02:53.35 | karsten | sgeigerbot: My knowledge of tulips goes back a bit further than that |
| 02:53.40 | sgeigerbot | I think a frigging script I wrote is responsible for that /var/lib/apt problem. |
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| 02:54.16 | karsten | sgeigerbot: I've got a /var recovery howto somewhere.... |
| 02:54.26 | karsten | sgeigerbot: ...and /usr/share/doc plays into it significantly. |
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| 02:54.47 | FsckIt | karsten: step 1 - download the install disks |
| 02:55.00 | simpletron | hi |
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| 02:55.12 | SHELLCFOXY24 | hi |
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| 02:55.18 | Tezkah | hi |
| 02:55.29 | karsten | FsckIt: No. |
| 02:55.33 | simpletron | how can i fix the problem with /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 02:55.56 | FsckIt | karsten: step 2 - find and insmod sarcasm.o |
| 02:56.20 | nekrataal | i have a problem |
| 02:56.26 | simpletron | me too |
| 02:56.30 | nekrataal | with an ATI 9800 |
| 02:56.35 | Tezkah | nekrataal: first step, you have to admit you're an alcoholic. |
| 02:56.35 | httpdss | karsten: was the problem of the dhcp (today at 4am) solved ?? |
| 02:56.37 | wal | Can someone tell me what modules in the 2.6 kernel i should run to get a via ac97 soundcard working? |
| 02:56.52 | nekrataal | when i try to start x it says: Fatal error, no Monitor detected... |
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| 02:56.58 | sgeigerbot | karsten: hmmm...I'd like to see that. |
| 02:57.10 | nekrataal | i installed debian Sarge... |
| 02:57.25 | FsckIt | Tezkah: but I can't be an alcoholic... alcoholics go to meetings |
| 02:57.32 | nekrataal | and the driver XF86 assigned is the atm... |
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| 02:58.03 | karsten | sgeigerbot: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/package-database-rebuild.html |
| 02:58.07 | nono | the patch from www.bootsplash.org only is available until kernel 2.6.3... is there any version of the patch for version 2.6.7? |
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| 02:58.18 | karsten | httpdss: Dunno. |
| 02:58.41 | sgeigerbot | karsten: thanks. |
| 02:58.59 | karsten | FsckIt: modprobe: sarcasm irq conflict |
| 02:59.02 | sgeigerbot | karsten: Btw, don't I know you from somewhere? |
| 02:59.08 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Jail? |
| 02:59.14 | sgeigerbot | karsten: Yeah, that's where. |
| 02:59.16 | sharkiez | anybody use gaim here? |
| 02:59.28 | winston | sharkiez: I use gaim |
| 02:59.30 | geppel | I succesfully installed my USB HP 932C Printer under Debian/testing and shared it via Samba so my windoze boxes could print to it. They can see the printer and according to the Printer properties in windows its ready to accept jobs (no access denied errors) however when I print i get a message that simply says its unable to print. Has anybody had problems similar to this?? |
| 02:59.31 | nekrataal | sharkiez: i do |
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| 02:59.40 | karsten | sharkiez: I prefer to think of it as a meaningful, reciprocal relationship. |
| 02:59.58 | sharkiez | do you happen to know the package for gaim-encryption in debian |
| 03:00.01 | sharkiez | don't tell me there is none |
| 03:00.10 | sharkiez | the plugin... |
| 03:00.13 | Tezkah | gaim-ssl ? |
| 03:00.13 | sgeigerbot | karsten: you *wrote* that script? |
| 03:00.14 | winston | sharkiez: i have always just got the plugin myself |
| 03:00.20 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Yeah. |
| 03:00.27 | karsten | sgeigerbot: That's why I knew it existed somewhere. |
| 03:00.30 | sharkiez | winston: what do you mean... |
| 03:00.34 | karsten | sgeigerbot: I'm trying to find my local copy. |
| 03:00.45 | nekrataal | hey, when i installed XF86 i went to a nice configuration Script, how can i go to that configuration again?? |
| 03:00.56 | winston | sharkiez: you can download the plugin from the gaim website |
| 03:01.03 | FsckIt | nekrataal: dpkg-reconfigure xserver |
| 03:01.07 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:01.13 | nekrataal | tnhx |
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| 03:01.15 | sharkiez | winston: so i can't apt-get it? |
| 03:01.15 | sgeigerbot | karsten: I still had /var/lib/dpkg ...but I was missing /var/lib/apt ...and although. Here, let me just explain it as I did before: |
| 03:01.18 | sgeigerbot | karsten: When I accidentally deleted (somehow) /var/lib/apt/, I had to run these commands again: "sudo mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists/partial; sudo apt-get update" I then tried to install something, and this worked wonderfully. However, I got a lot of messages like these: "dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `libtext-charwidth-perl' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed." |
| 03:01.21 | winston | sharkiez: i'm not sure |
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| 03:01.42 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: .... |
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| 03:01.57 | karsten | sgeigerbot: OK, you're probably missing most of /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 03:02.26 | inter | When I restart my computer from Linux my hard disks powerdown and shutoff as though the system was shuting down...anyone know what might be causing this? (Kernel 2.6.6) |
| 03:02.30 | karsten | sgeigerbot: You'll want to run a reinstall for your currently installed packages, just to straighten things out. |
| 03:02.39 | xoz | sgeigerbot: remove its entry in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 03:03.01 | geppel | I succesfully installed my USB HP 932C Printer under Debian/testing and shared it via Samba so my windoze boxes could print to it. They can see the printer and according to the Printer properties in windows its ready to accept jobs (no access denied errors) however when I print i get a message that simply says its unable to print. Has anybody had problems similar to this?? |
| 03:03.05 | karsten | sgeigerbot: You can go through the script and figure out what bits to run manually for the most part. I created it on the basis of manual processes I was running, and commented it heavily. |
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| 03:03.14 | iav | is there a way to switch from 'testing' to 'unstable' by e.g. changing my sources.list and doing apt-get upgrade? |
| 03:03.24 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: one trick I might suggest you do, is: cd /usr/share/doc && apt-get -f -y install $(find $(pwd) -type d -maxdepth 1 -printf ' %P') |
| 03:03.24 | jetscreamer | iav that would be how |
| 03:03.26 | greycat | iav: dist-upgrade, not upgrade |
| 03:03.35 | jetscreamer | good point |
| 03:03.40 | iav | thanks |
| 03:04.17 | jetscreamer | !tell iav about woody->sid |
| 03:05.12 | httpdss | !tell httpdss about woody->sid |
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| 03:06.32 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Slightly updated: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/debian-package-database-rebuild |
| 03:06.40 | karsten | sgeigerbot: ...with *.sig as the signature file. |
| 03:07.04 | thomas_adam | good old Rick Moen. :) |
| 03:07.15 | sgeigerbot | karsten: are you generating all those versions of your resume on the fly from xml? |
| 03:07.23 | karsten | sgeigerbot: HTML. |
| 03:08.48 | karsten | sgeigerbot: I've got a makefile-based build system starting from a sort of init.d/ type directory structure. |
| 03:09.19 | karsten | sgeigerbot: ...there's a main resume.d/ directory with fragments of a resume. The makefile generates HTML, text, PS, PDF, and MS Word (actually RTF) output. |
| 03:09.37 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Subdirectories produce variations for specific job targets. |
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| 03:10.25 | FsckIt | karsten: are you looking for a job at the moment? if so, have you considered submitting your resume source directory as a portfolio? |
| 03:10.36 | karsten | FsckIt: ;-) |
| 03:10.45 | FsckIt | karsten: (assuming you are looking for a programming position) |
| 03:10.46 | karsten | FsckIt: The commercial value of that system is pretty low. |
| 03:10.54 | sgeigerbot | karsten: nice. So, is this wizardry working? |
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| 03:11.24 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Which? The resume or the /var recovery ;-) |
| 03:11.29 | FsckIt | karsten: well, perhaps.. but the idea is that it show probably more accurately what you can do more than the resumes themselves |
| 03:11.33 | karsten | sgeigerbot: ...i've had a couple of recent hits on the job front. |
| 03:11.38 | sgeigerbot | karsten: I mean, do you have job prospects? |
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| 03:11.43 | sgeigerbot | good |
| 03:11.49 | karsten | FsckIt: Most of the jobs I apply for aren't directly applicable to my resume build system. |
| 03:11.59 | karsten | sgeigerbot: Well, I've got a job. I'm actually updating that right now. |
| 03:12.06 | dan2 | karsten: you have a resume build system? |
| 03:12.14 | dan2 | karsten: can I download it? |
| 03:12.36 | helix | FsckIt: he's actually a mime |
| 03:12.38 | jetscreamer | hey karsten buddy |
| 03:12.43 | jetscreamer | i love you man |
| 03:12.44 | sgeigerbot | helix: hi |
| 03:12.55 | jetscreamer | i could use that too |
| 03:13.02 | karsten | Neat bit: the system builds 112 outputs in a minute or so. |
| 03:13.03 | FsckIt | helix: a talking one, at that, apparently... ground-breaking, really |
| 03:13.09 | karsten | dan2: What's it worth to you? |
| 03:13.14 | helix | FsckIt: mimes can type |
| 03:13.18 | FsckIt | helix: how are you doing today? |
| 03:13.18 | dan2 | karsten: I like testing everything |
| 03:13.25 | karsten | sgeigerbot: ...and that makes you special how? |
| 03:13.36 | FsckIt | helix: in IRC, no one can hear you mime |
| 03:13.41 | sussudio | helix: if you kick a mime in the balls and there's nobody there to hear him, does he scream? |
| 03:13.43 | helix | hmm |
| 03:13.47 | dan2 | FsckIt: mimes can not type |
| 03:13.48 | dan2 | :) |
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| 03:13.58 | FsckIt | sussudio: by definition, you are there to hear him |
| 03:14.01 | sgeigerbot | karsten: helix and I used to be a double helix...but lately we've been mutating |
| 03:14.05 | sussudio | FsckIt: what if you're deaf |
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| 03:14.26 | FsckIt | sussudio: what if pigs could fly? who gives a mime? |
| 03:14.47 | dan2 | karsten: is it gpl? |
| 03:14.47 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 03:14.54 | django34 | karsten: Hey, remember me from yesterday? :) |
| 03:15.00 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 03:15.00 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 03:15.03 | sgeigerbot | doh |
| 03:15.04 | jetscreamer | karsten i'm serious i'd like it too if possible |
| 03:15.21 | helix | karsten: (just wanted to do another nick hilight for you) |
| 03:15.34 | sgeigerbot | helix: You are officially no fun. |
| 03:15.41 | FsckIt | karsten: sounds like you need to do a sourceforge project... resume-builder.sf.net or something |
| 03:15.57 | GregChant | What would cause this error: Fatal error: session_start(): Failed to initialize storage module: user (path: /tmp)? I'm using PHP 4.3.7, Apache 1.3.29, and Mac OS X 10.3.4 |
| 03:15.58 | helix | sgeigerbot: i was never fun |
| 03:16.00 | FsckIt | sgeigerbot: helix is a *lot* of fun.. |
| 03:16.06 | sgeigerbot | helix: wrong again. |
| 03:16.06 | helix | aye |
| 03:16.15 | GregChant | er |
| 03:16.15 | GregChant | wrong channel |
| 03:16.15 | GregChant | sorry |
| 03:16.20 | karsten | django34: yeah. Remote install, network issues. |
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| 03:16.30 | chealer | !sarge |
| 03:16.30 | dpkg | Fall in! Ten-HUT! Sarge is the new 'testing' version of Debian, which will become stable soon. You can help test it: ask me about "d-i" or see the #debian-boot topic. |
| 03:16.31 | karsten | dan2: It's not released. |
| 03:16.46 | dan2 | woohoo |
| 03:16.47 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: hehe, I remember when you and peterS were drawing. :) |
| 03:16.55 | dan2 | I got my television remote controlling my mouse |
| 03:16.58 | django34 | karsten: I called the network people today and got new numbers. But they didn't give me the 'network' setting. Can you deduce it from the following? address 217.160.255.55, netmask 255.255.255.0, broadcast 255.255.255.255, gateway 0.0.0.0 |
| 03:17.05 | FsckIt | helix: well, you didn't answer my question... how are you doing today? |
| 03:17.15 | helix | FsckIt: just fine, thanks for asking :) |
| 03:17.17 | helix | you? |
| 03:17.39 | FsckIt | helix: pretty good.. I got Internet access today :-) |
| 03:17.39 | jetscreamer | i wont mah daddy's records |
| 03:17.47 | karsten | django34: network == 216.160.255.0 |
| 03:17.56 | django34 | karsten: Thank you very much. |
| 03:17.58 | jetscreamer | 216? |
| 03:18.03 | helix | FsckIt: umm, how did you live without it before? |
| 03:18.06 | FsckIt | 217.160.255.0, actually |
| 03:18.10 | karsten | django34: You're running in a /24. That's a standard 256 IP allocation. Network is 0, b'cast is 255. |
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| 03:18.30 | karsten | django34: ...and the gateway value is *wrong*. |
| 03:18.34 | FsckIt | helix: (it was only for a week... I moved into my new apartment about a week ago) |
| 03:18.43 | helix | ah |
| 03:18.47 | FsckIt | helix: and leached off of others during that time |
| 03:18.48 | karsten | django34: It's likely either 217.160.255.1 or 217.160.255.254 |
| 03:19.01 | karsten | django34: 0.0.0.0 isn't a valid address. It's a catch-all. |
| 03:19.10 | karsten | django34: Sort of like 255.255.255.255. |
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| 03:19.21 | django34 | karsten: Damn. The tech-support line is giving me inaccurate information again. |
| 03:19.28 | FsckIt | helix: so, yeah, I'm chilling on IRC when I really need to finish washing and putting away my kitchen |
| 03:19.32 | jetscreamer | transparent gateway ? |
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| 03:19.35 | django34 | karsten: I'll try both of those. Thanks. |
| 03:19.42 | helix | FsckIt: unpacking is for sissies |
| 03:20.07 | karsten | django34: Point is you need to know *what* your gateway is, specifically. |
| 03:20.07 | FsckIt | helix: *shrug* |
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| 03:20.16 | FsckIt | helix: is that all you got? :-) |
| 03:20.23 | karsten | django34: Guessing can take a while. You've got 253 possible options. |
| 03:20.51 | FsckIt | karsten: nmap would help narrow that down, I would thing |
| 03:20.52 | jetscreamer | is it cable |
| 03:20.54 | FsckIt | think, even |
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| 03:21.19 | karsten | FsckIt: Truth. |
| 03:21.21 | Ronin | sgeigerbot: it can happen |
| 03:21.26 | django34 | FsckIt: How could I use nmap to narrow it down? |
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| 03:21.42 | FsckIt | sgeigerbot: Power corrupts. Absolute power is kinda fun. |
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| 03:21.49 | FsckIt | wnbt? |
| 03:21.55 | helix | !wnbt |
| 03:21.55 | dpkg | somebody said wnbt was Will Not Be Trolled |
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| 03:22.08 | FsckIt | django34: first step is to read the nmap man page |
| 03:22.16 | karsten | sgeigerbot: ...the build system also produces drop-in HTML suitable for Craigslist by coding CSS inline, and will run an FTP update to my website automatically. |
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| 03:22.31 | karsten | sgeigerbot: ...and all that in 54.521 seconds. |
| 03:22.40 | FsckIt | helix: anyway... yeah, all my pots and pans are still sitting on my kitchen table |
| 03:23.22 | sgeigerbot | karsten: nice. |
| 03:23.45 | FsckIt | karsten: like I said, you really need to make a resume out of your resume build system |
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| 03:24.54 | karsten | sgeigerbot: ...just added a rule to rsync up to a site... |
| 03:25.15 | adhom_ | guys how do I delete all my saved knotes in kde 3.2 in sid? |
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| 03:25.45 | sussudio | !confuse adhom_ |
| 03:25.45 | dpkg | yes, who was our badger today, adhom_ ? by order of the people's republic of liechtenstein with extra ham |
| 03:26.00 | mwilson | lol |
| 03:26.05 | sgeigerbot | karsten: rsync is nice. I have an ssh tunnel through which I send another ssh tunnel which tunnels rsync. That way I can rsync to a machine whose sshd is not available directly from the Internet. |
| 03:26.23 | adhom_ | :) |
| 03:26.26 | dan2 | sgeigerbot: you are an idiot |
| 03:26.30 | sgeigerbot | ~confuse adhom_ |
| 03:26.32 | apt | yes those is our pants today ? |
| 03:26.32 | dan2 | </quote> |
| 03:26.33 | helix | haha |
| 03:26.40 | karsten | sgeigerbot: My ISP only offers FTP, which sort of sucks. |
| 03:26.54 | dan2 | karsten: get a T1 |
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| 03:26.58 | dan2 | :) |
| 03:27.23 | sgeigerbot | karsten: I agree. So many are still like that. Must be due to the M$ lag in security and the associated cluelessness that accompanies it. |
| 03:27.23 | sussudio | apt: you suck |
| 03:27.25 | apt | sussudio: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 03:28.43 | adhom_ | I just figured how to delete those buggers |
| 03:28.51 | coolbean | anyone familiar with courier, postfix, mysql and sasl ? |
| 03:29.06 | Guerin | coolbean: the people in #postfix are |
| 03:29.08 | iav | coolbean: haha good luck. that's what i'm trying |
| 03:29.10 | sharkiez | anyone use sftp? |
| 03:29.17 | FsckIt | somewhat, yes, not much, and not really |
| 03:29.27 | sussudio | sharkiez: nope. |
| 03:29.29 | coolbean | i'm #postfix... it's so quiet you can hear a pin drop |
| 03:29.33 | Guerin | coolbean: one of them wrote the howo you can read if you google postfix mysql sasl debian |
| 03:29.34 | sharkiez | do you happen to know what is a good client |
| 03:29.38 | sharkiez | a good front end |
| 03:29.47 | sussudio | !sunday |
| 03:29.47 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:29.53 | coolbean | sharkiez: for what os? |
| 03:29.55 | Guerin | !word sussudio |
| 03:29.56 | dpkg | sussudio: Word to your mutha! |
| 03:30.00 | karsten | dan2: Get me a six figure job. |
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| 03:30.13 | FsckIt | coolbean: This gets 3 out of 4 ... http://www.sweeney.demon.co.uk/pfix_imap_virtual.html |
| 03:30.15 | sgeigerbot | !get karsten a six figure job |
| 03:30.22 | sussudio | karsten: 84dg3r |
| 03:30.37 | sharkiez | coolbean: for debian... heheh |
| 03:30.39 | sussudio | Guerin: been drinkin the sheepdip again? |
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| 03:30.52 | sharkiez | coolbean: for linux i meant |
| 03:30.53 | karsten | !sussudio |
| 03:30.54 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass, karsten! |
| 03:30.59 | Guerin | sussudio: not far from it... soju |
| 03:31.09 | helix | what is soju? |
| 03:31.12 | JoJa15 | Can someone help me with compilling NDISWRAPPER on a Knoppix distro? I tried to compile it and I got this error: "/usr/include/asm/mpspec.h:6:25: mach_mpspec.h: No such file or directory". There are many more errors but that was the first one I got and I think it led to the others. |
| 03:31.21 | helix | JoJa15: #knoppix |
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| 03:31.26 | Guerin | coolbean: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail and http://high5.net/howto |
| 03:31.27 | FsckIt | coolbean: another howto http://www.high5.net/howto/ |
| 03:31.36 | sussudio | Guerin: appearently there's an ISP called "ewetel" in germany. |
| 03:31.46 | Guerin | sussudio: bonus! |
| 03:31.56 | FsckIt | hey, as long as people are handing out 6-fig jobs.. I'll take one too |
| 03:31.59 | coolbean | sharkiez i suppose you mean something with a gui? |
| 03:32.00 | JoJa15 | hrlix: OK |
| 03:32.06 | sussudio | Guerin: no self-respecting sheep would use any other ISP. |
| 03:32.06 | dan2 | karsten: dunno, My SIP company looks like it will do well |
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| 03:32.17 | sharkiez | coolbean: yeah i was looking for a frontend |
| 03:32.18 | wpostma | There is some bogus crap in my /etc/fonts/fonts.conf. fc-cache -f doesn't regenerate this file, or at least, the crap is still in it. I get this message "Fontconfig warning: line 248: invalid edit binding "same"" all the time. Ideas? |
| 03:32.28 | Guerin | sharkiez: if you need a gui to configure your mail server, you shouldn't be running a mail server |
| 03:32.28 | karsten | dan2: SIP? |
| 03:32.32 | dan2 | !SIP |
| 03:32.32 | dpkg | sip is, like, Session Initiation Protocol. the way to initiate telephone calls over the internet also known as VoIP, it signals a remote end on port 5060 and begins sending RTP streams |
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| 03:33.21 | sharkiez | guerin: huh?? |
| 03:33.25 | sussudio | lighting from induction won't fry things that are powered down, right? |
| 03:33.36 | sussudio | um induction from lightning |
| 03:33.40 | wpostma | sussudio, ot |
| 03:33.44 | Guerin | sussudio: that's wight |
| 03:33.47 | helix | sharkiez: i think he wants a GUI sftp client |
| 03:33.49 | Guerin | right even |
| 03:33.49 | wpostma | ssudio, it's static, not induction. |
| 03:33.52 | oneo99 | hey all - I'm trying to compile QT-X11 and i'm getting the following error: "X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory". I installed a bare debian system, and ran an apt-get install x-window-system to install X. For some reason, the headers didn't come with it...anyone know how to get them? |
| 03:33.57 | sussudio | !canucksmite wpostma |
| 03:33.57 | helix | someone else was asking about the mail server stuff |
| 03:33.59 | coolbean | i acutally think the propblem with my postfix setup has something to do with PAM/mysql authentication |
| 03:34.00 | Justin | oneo99: why are you compiling qt. |
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| 03:34.17 | oneo99 | justin - mythtv relies on it |
| 03:34.18 | sussudio | wpostma: no, induction. i've had it before. |
| 03:34.29 | Guerin | ah, my stupid |
| 03:34.38 | oneo99 | are you implying to use to precompiled package? |
| 03:34.42 | sussudio | just wondering why 2 modems doesn't appear to work anymore. |
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| 03:34.56 | Justin | oneo99: why don't you try reading one of the numerous howtos on how to get mythtv to work in debian? |
| 03:35.19 | greycat | oneo99: Xlib.h is in xlibs-dev, of course. Where did you *think* it was? |
| 03:35.25 | Guerin | coolbean: are you reading those howtos yet? |
| 03:35.31 | Justin | greycat: don't encourage him :-P |
| 03:36.10 | sussudio | !maint locales |
| 03:36.14 | dpkg | locales: GNU Libc Maintainers <debian-glibc@lists.debian.org> |
| 03:36.40 | karsten | dan2: SIP ?? |
| 03:36.52 | coolbean | i've read them all :) |
| 03:37.00 | karsten | dan2: ...or was that "IPS"? |
| 03:37.05 | karsten | dan2: ..erm. "ISP" |
| 03:37.10 | sharkiez | its okay guys i can just use konqueror |
| 03:37.18 | sharkiez | it has sftp capabilities |
| 03:37.19 | coolbean | there's very little debugging capabilities possible with PAM |
| 03:37.54 | oneo99 | justin - i am following one that seems to be the most popular...i've been referred to it many times: mythtv on a dedicated debian/Eden system. However, it does not describe the QT install process...can you reccomend one? |
| 03:38.13 | dan2 | karsten: SIP |
| 03:38.14 | dan2 | SIP |
| 03:38.20 | sussudio | dan2: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 03:38.35 | dan2 | !beta3smite su |
| 03:38.40 | dan2 | bah |
| 03:38.48 | dan2 | !beta3smite sussudio |
| 03:38.48 | sussudio | dan2: you lose. |
| 03:38.53 | dan2 | muahahahha |
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| 03:39.06 | Justin | oneo99: which guide would that be? |
| 03:39.22 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: That's almost as bad as mentioning knoppix one time. You had better watch out... |
| 03:39.26 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 03:39.33 | oneo99 | justin - its at: http://www-isl.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de/~hi93/myth/mythtv_debian_epia_pvr350_walkthrough |
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| 03:39.50 | thomas_adam | knoppix? |
| 03:39.55 | karsten | dan2: WTF is "SIP"? |
| 03:40.03 | thomas_adam | karsten: VoIP related. |
| 03:40.04 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: BE CAREFUL. |
| 03:40.24 | oneo99 | im actually very interested in trying out QT-embedded, so if you know any tips on that, i'd appreciate it. I've given up for now and am going with the more documented X method |
| 03:40.31 | sgeigerbot | karsten: session initiation protocol |
| 03:40.33 | sgeigerbot | ? |
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| 03:40.42 | helix | sgeigerbot: you're worse than a child |
| 03:40.43 | dan2 | karsten: for VoIP telephone calls |
| 03:40.43 | karsten | thomas_adam: OK. Dict is rather crowded in that particular instance. |
| 03:40.50 | greycat | helix: he *is* a child. |
| 03:40.53 | karsten | helix: What does that make me? |
| 03:40.58 | FsckIt | sgeigerbot: pssst... knoppix |
| 03:41.06 | helix | karsten: you're just a mime-type i filter into /dev/nul ;) |
| 03:41.12 | karsten | dan2: The usual advice applies. |
| 03:41.16 | helix | null, rather |
| 03:41.30 | dan2 | go away you stupid bot |
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| 03:41.39 | dan2 | s/bot/child/ |
| 03:42.03 | voltagex | odd problem at the moment - when kde starts, the startup noise repeats itself again and again - to get it to stop I have to kill knotify and then to get sound to work, two artsd processes |
| 03:42.05 | thomas_adam | Bedtime. |
| 03:42.07 | sgeigerbot | dan2: now go play in the traffic |
| 03:42.14 | voltagex | wtf is going on and how do I fix it? |
| 03:42.17 | thomas_adam | voltagex: BTS |
| 03:42.18 | foreyez | does anybody know what the difference is between 'refresh rate' and 'vertical sync' or are they the same thing? |
| 03:42.21 | dan2 | sgeigerbot: do you ever shut the fuck up |
| 03:42.31 | sgeigerbot | helix: ditto |
| 03:42.44 | thomas_adam | dan2: easy now.... |
| 03:42.47 | sussudio | dan2: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/being_sgeigerbot.png |
| 03:42.53 | thomas_adam | sussudio++ |
| 03:42.55 | dan2 | sussudio: haha |
| 03:43.10 | voltagex | thomas_adam: BTS? |
| 03:43.22 | dan2 | sussudio: how are you making those? |
| 03:43.24 | thomas_adam | !tell voltagex -about BTS |
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| 03:43.37 | karsten | foreyez: Same. |
| 03:43.40 | helix | dan2: i believe it's called the gimp :) |
| 03:43.42 | sussudio | dan2: umm graphics editor thing |
| 03:43.42 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.03 | dan2 | !say sgeigerbot fuck off |
| 03:44.03 | dpkg | sgeigerbot fuck off |
| 03:44.04 | helix | announcing /ignores is the height of stupidity |
| 03:44.07 | helix | dan2: stop it |
| 03:44.14 | voltagex | nice bot |
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| 03:44.27 | voltagex | obviously smarter than dan2 |
| 03:44.28 | thomas_adam | voltagex: sgeiger? Yeah, he is... |
| 03:44.33 | oneo99 | justin - any suggestions? |
| 03:44.44 | FsckIt | helix: c'mon.. that sounds vaguely like a challenge |
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| 03:44.51 | karsten | foreyez: vsync is in kHz. hsynk is Hz. |
| 03:44.54 | sgeigerbot | voltagex: was there ever any doubt? |
| 03:44.58 | greycat | dpkg, no, qotd5 is <cassiopea> greycat: sgeigerbot is a bot, right? Is it you who is sending these message-stuff to me via sgeigerbot? <cassiopea> sgeigerbot: not quite, it's just you keep telling me things that don't really make sense, as bots usually do. And then there's the -bot suffix to your nick |
| 03:44.59 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 03:45.02 | helix | FsckIt: what does? |
| 03:45.06 | dan2 | sussudio: are you a pro at gimp? |
| 03:45.18 | sussudio | nooo my qotd5 |
| 03:45.29 | sgeigerbot | ops, that's a call to you |
| 03:45.30 | greycat | sussudio: it was the weakest of the first 6 |
| 03:45.39 | sussudio | dan2: no. you paste stuff into things and add text. how hard can it be? |
| 03:45.40 | dan2 | hehe |
| 03:45.42 | FsckIt | helix: "announcing /ignores is the height of stupidity"... I'm of the opinion I can find something even more stupid :-P |
| 03:45.52 | sussudio | !qotd69 |
| 03:45.52 | dpkg | < cafuego> Hamled: Pull it off and shove it back on, just to be sure. |
| 03:45.53 | wpostma | Anybody know what the binding="same" means in /etc/fonts.conf? I just found the lines tha twere generating warnings and removed them, heedless of what they mean. |
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| 03:46.00 | helix | FsckIt: well, there are several people in here that are dumber than that.. |
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| 03:46.01 | dan2 | !qotd19 |
| 03:46.02 | dpkg | methinks qotd19 is <Overfiend> "PHP 5! Now with Zend-enhanced multicrashing! Reserve your copy today!" |
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| 03:46.08 | Guerin | FsckIt: threatening ignores is more stupid |
| 03:46.10 | MrLuring | i took a mysql dump from my old database server and imported it on the new... after that i would not accept connection from outside localhost.. why ? |
| 03:46.30 | Guerin | !qotd20 |
| 03:46.30 | dpkg | < ceige> dpkg: I'm not stupid! I use MSN! |
| 03:46.32 | dan2 | Guerin: dunno, sgeigerbot is the climax of stupidity |
| 03:46.36 | Xcen | Guerin: I managed to get my card running... now I need to understand what the howto is talking about to fix my problem |
| 03:46.36 | wardriver | ls |
| 03:46.39 | thomas_adam | Guerin: hahahaha |
| 03:46.40 | sussudio | password: |
| 03:46.41 | wardriver | hello |
| 03:46.42 | sgeigerbot | !qotd5 is also see cassiopea |
| 03:46.42 | dpkg | okay, sgeigerbot |
| 03:46.49 | sgeigerbot | !+cassiopea |
| 03:47.02 | Guerin | Xcen: ok, what's the go nowadays? |
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| 03:47.23 | Cortex | Whoops.. wget http://mange.dynup.net/Linux_aggressionists.txt |
| 03:47.27 | MrLuring | i took a mysql dump from my old database server and imported it on the new... after that i would not accept connection from outside localhost.. why ? |
| 03:47.28 | Guerin | thomas_adam: that qotd wouldn't have been half as funny if he hadn't been talking to a bot |
| 03:47.28 | FsckIt | helix: see, a challenge :-) |
| 03:47.30 | greycat | sgeigerbot: does it hurt to be this dumb? |
| 03:47.32 | Xcen | Guerin: well I observed how the floppies where making the cards run and reproduced it :) |
| 03:47.45 | dan2 | Guerin: I think Overfiend takes the cake |
| 03:47.48 | Xcen | Guerin I figured that's what my problem is but I am not sure how to get it fixed: If you obtained precompiled drivers as part of a Linux distribution, verify that you are using an unmodified kernel as supplied with that distribution. If you intend to use precompiled modules, you generally must stick with the corresponding kernel. |
| 03:47.50 | FsckIt | greycat: ignorance is bliss... try it sometimes |
| 03:47.53 | Guerin | Xcen: awesome :) Is it all working just peachy now, or what? |
| 03:47.55 | helix | greycat: gelatinous blobs of stupidity lack nerve endings.. |
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| 03:48.20 | sgeigerbot | greycat: ask beta3 |
| 03:48.27 | jmspeex | Any idea why I keep getting this in my .xsession-errors : |
| 03:48.29 | jmspeex | X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 |
| 03:48.30 | jmspeex | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.30 | jmspeex | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:48.30 | jmspeex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:48.35 | sussudio | hmm nothing says "class" like a gallon of cheap wine in a carton |
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| 03:48.38 | thomas_adam | or in sgeigerbot's case...damaged neural net. |
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| 03:48.43 | Xcen | Guerin: other than that all seems to be fine so far... but I feel like a junkie fighting off his Windows addiction :( I'm ashamed heheheh |
| 03:49.03 | voltagex | who wrote sgeigerbot? |
| 03:49.09 | jmspeex | This chan doesn't like a 3-line message or what??? |
| 03:49.16 | Guerin | Xcen: don't be ashamed, you've done awesomely. |
| 03:49.18 | Xcen | overall I think my favorite OS is Mac OS X :S |
| 03:49.18 | jonathan__ | is anyone aware of software for copying dvd's under *nix similar to 'dvd shrink' for windoze? or has anyone used 'dvd shrink' under wine? |
| 03:49.20 | greycat | jmspeex: it kicks on the 4th line within 1 second |
| 03:49.20 | helix | voltagex: two drunk people |
| 03:49.21 | Guerin | jmspeex: RTFT |
| 03:49.26 | jmspeex | Any idea why I keep getting this in my .xsession-errors : |
| 03:49.30 | jmspeex | X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 |
| 03:49.35 | FsckIt | Xcen: hey, that's what I'm running right now |
| 03:50.10 | Xcen | FsckIt I think it`s really awesome... and when I heard someone was selling an ibook G3 for 100$ less than I bought my P3 I was like... DAMN |
| 03:50.10 | Guerin | Xcen: so what's your current status? got stuff all updated over that nic? |
| 03:50.30 | jmspeex | Guerin: FT doesn't say that 4 lines == flood |
| 03:50.34 | Guerin | s/updated/installed/ |
| 03:50.43 | Justin | jmspeex: 5 lines |
| 03:50.46 | Guerin | jmspeex: no, common sense would telll you that |
| 03:50.53 | greycat | Justin: it kicks on the 4th line |
| 03:51.01 | FsckIt | jmspeex: ok, so for future reference 4 lines == flood :-) |
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| 03:51.15 | jmspeex | OK, fine, so anyone got an idea? |
| 03:51.15 | sgeigerbot | voltagex: I wrote myself. |
| 03:51.17 | Xcen | Guerin: managed to update everything and to load up KDE so I would not be too confused :) but now the damn thing loads automatically at start up and so does X :( Otherwise I just need to figure out how to get the PCMCIA running by itself and perhaps make card insertion detection work too |
| 03:51.23 | Justin | greycat: yes, and he pasted 5:) |
| 03:51.25 | voltagex | PMSL! |
| 03:51.32 | Guerin | jmspeex: !tell xcen about nodm |
| 03:51.44 | voltagex | sgeigerbot: can I have a copy? |
| 03:51.48 | jmspeex | Guerin: what?? |
| 03:51.58 | Guerin | Xcen: choose another kernel as well |
| 03:52.04 | Guerin | jmspeex: sorry, mistake |
| 03:52.39 | sgeigerbot | voltagex: what portion do you like? I can probably just explain it to you. It's more a philosophy than anything else. |
| 03:52.46 | Xcen | Guerin: I thought that's what I needed to do, to get rid of that BF2.4 ... only I have yet to find that out.... that would be recompiling my kernel no? (now doesn't that sound scary for a n00b) |
| 03:53.09 | Guerin | Xcen: nah, use a stock debian kernel at first |
| 03:53.10 | voltagex | sgeigerbot: the bot attitude |
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| 03:53.28 | Guerin | Xcen: what flavour of debian are you using? |
| 03:53.32 | Xcen | Guerin: Not sure what you mean by that |
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| 03:53.42 | Xcen | Guerin: BF2.4 so I could boot off my USB floppy |
| 03:54.06 | Guerin | Xcen: cat /etc/debian_version and gimme the outpu - I mean, stable, testing or unstable? If you don't know, it's probably stabel... |
| 03:54.21 | Xcen | Guerin yes it is stable |
| 03:54.24 | yonatan | can anyone please send me an mp3 file i need to test my soundcard :) |
| 03:54.26 | sgeigerbot | voltagex: <attitude>Well, the only way to get an attitude is to get something that everyone in here hates, learn to love it and find out how useful it can be and then mention it in here.</attitude> |
| 03:54.35 | sgeigerbot | voltagex: please don't bring that up again. |
| 03:54.38 | greycat | yonatan: you can come up with a better excuse than *that*. |
| 03:54.56 | FsckIt | yonatan: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 03:54.56 | sussudio | yonatan: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/badgers.mp3 |
| 03:55.02 | sgeigerbot | yonatan: sudo updatedb; locate mp3 |
| 03:55.04 | Xcen | Guerin and dpkg doesn`t seem to know about nodm ... :) |
| 03:55.06 | thomas_adam | attitude? |
| 03:55.09 | Guerin | !free software song |
| 03:55.09 | dpkg | well, free software song is http://www.jwz.org/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.mp3, or not under the gpl due to mp3 copyright crap |
| 03:55.26 | Guerin | Xcen: sure he does |
| 03:55.33 | Guerin | !tell Xcen about nodm |
| 03:55.33 | Xcen | [23:53] <Xcen> nodm |
| 03:55.33 | Xcen | [23:53] <dpkg> no idea, Xcen |
| 03:55.40 | Xcen | oh |
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| 03:55.43 | Xcen | ah well |
| 03:55.43 | thomas_adam | !+nodm |
| 03:55.43 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 03:55.50 | thomas_adam | !moron Xcen |
| 03:55.51 | dpkg | Xcen: You are moron #60 |
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| 03:56.18 | Xcen | of course I am a moron, I guess everyone knows that by now don't they? |
| 03:56.28 | thomas_adam | Xcen: Oh yes. |
| 03:56.29 | Xcen | you should put it in the topic man if it makes you feel good :) |
| 03:56.29 | helix | poor Xcen |
| 03:56.33 | sussudio | Penix: it's sunday. |
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| 03:56.45 | sgeigerbot | greycat: I think I'm doing okay for only 3 years of Linux experience... |
| 03:56.53 | Guerin | heh |
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| 03:57.14 | nailbiter | say, is there an alternative to sysvinit on Debian? |
| 03:57.15 | wm_eddie | uhh, I really b0rked my server :( |
| 03:57.33 | Guerin | nailbiter: someone was talking about one a few days ago |
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| 03:57.38 | wm_eddie | I knew I shouldn't have added the unstable thing to sources.list... |
| 03:57.40 | greycat | <sgeigerbot> !qotd5 is also see cassiopea <dpkg> okay, sgeigerbot <sgeigerbot> !+cassiopea *silence* |
| 03:57.56 | Guerin | nailbiter: I cannae remember it, though, and the consensus was that it was a WOFT |
| 03:58.06 | karsten | thomas_adam: ML philosophy? |
| 03:58.16 | Guerin | thomas_adam: word. |
| 03:58.17 | voltagex | I really want a copy of that sgeigerbot and port it to msn/aim - that would be cool |
| 03:58.29 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Okay, so your comment was *not* meant to be a little more personal (and a little meaner) than that? |
| 03:58.37 | nailbiter | Guerin: the debian boot process looks like it's too dependent on sysvinit to make a switch easy. :) |
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| 03:58.38 | karsten | nailbiter: Yes, There's a BSD-style init. IIRC "initfiles". |
| 03:58.46 | wm_eddie | now whenever I try to do anything as root I get an error like this: ../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/fork.c:132: __libc_fork: Assertion... |
| 03:58.54 | sgeigerbot | voltagex: Why are you so interested in my bot-uality? Have you been interested in "exploring" that part of your nature? |
| 03:58.55 | thomas_adam | !+ml |
| 03:58.55 | dpkg | i guess ml is meta-language, a functional language used by computer science professors to frustrate their students.. Mali, or short for Mailing List |
| 03:58.59 | Guerin | wm_eddie: wow, you broke it hella good |
| 03:59.05 | wm_eddie | yeah... |
| 03:59.13 | wm_eddie | It failed to update glibc... |
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| 03:59.22 | greycat | !tell wm_eddie about bobbitt |
| 03:59.31 | voltagex | no offense meant, just interested in AI in general |
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| 03:59.54 | nailbiter | karsten: suppose i wanted to write an init replacement featuring a framebuffer-based graphical boot process? |
| 04:00.09 | wm_eddie | aww man... |
| 04:00.10 | Nurbs | more interesting would be if mankind achieved real intelligence. |
| 04:00.12 | thomas_adam | nailbiter: That would display too late by then, |
| 04:00.14 | jello | nailbiter: steal red hat's |
| 04:00.16 | wardriver | how much harder is it to install a system using debootstrap then at the local box w/ cd image |
| 04:00.18 | nailbiter | karsten: i'd have to hack in init.d-compatibility? |
| 04:00.24 | sgeigerbot | Nurbs: Good Point! |
| 04:00.24 | karsten | nailbiter: Sec. There's a few extant init replacements. |
| 04:00.30 | greycat | wardriver: 2.756 times as hard. |
| 04:00.38 | nailbiter | jello: they already have one? :) |
| 04:00.53 | Guerin | there was an argument last night about whether d-i would have an X-GUI installer by default |
| 04:00.56 | wm_eddie | sodre, uh, what can I do? |
| 04:01.00 | sgeigerbot | greycat: no comment, eh? |
| 04:01.01 | voltagex | ok, is there a better sound daemon that I can use to replace artsd? |
| 04:01.03 | nailbiter | thomas_adam: why display too late? wouldn't init be the first process to run, and hence have a free shot at initializing the framebuffer? |
| 04:01.03 | wm_eddie | It's a UML server too... |
| 04:01.08 | wardriver | so its considerablly harder then just using the local disks? |
| 04:01.35 | thomas_adam | nailbiter: www.bootsplash.org |
| 04:01.36 | nailbiter | wm_eddie: you can download a newer libc6 package then unpack it by hand with 'dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile | tar -C / -xvf -' |
| 04:01.46 | Guerin | wm_eddie: get the UML admin to re-image and start again from backup data |
| 04:01.57 | thomas_adam | nailbiter: BAD idea. |
| 04:02.00 | Guerin | wm_eddie: that's the short and easy and guaranteed to work way |
| 04:02.04 | Spark | cor blimey thats a lot of warnings from the nvidia kernel module |
| 04:02.10 | wm_eddie | yeah... |
| 04:02.25 | Justin | nailbiter: uh, you should read the dpkg manpage sometime |
| 04:02.27 | nailbiter | thomas_adam: ok, but bootsplash requires coordination after boot from init and init.d scripts, yes? and it's quite hard to hack that in after the fact? |
| 04:02.35 | Guerin | wm_eddie: there's probably a long, complicated, hard and flakey way, but I wouldn't fucking bother |
| 04:02.39 | sgeigerbot | !search cass |
| 04:02.55 | Justin | !+listkeys cass |
| 04:02.57 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'cass' by key (1 shown): picasso. |
| 04:02.59 | nailbiter | Justin: i guess i missed an argument there. :) |
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| 04:03.25 | wm_eddie | yeah, hopefully... he backed it up recently. I don't archive my pictures... |
| 04:03.29 | sgeigerbot | Justin: thank. |
| 04:03.29 | thomas_adam | nailbiter: worrier, are you? |
| 04:03.30 | sgeigerbot | s |
| 04:03.35 | karsten | nailbiter: Generally: apt-cache search init. |
| 04:03.35 | Guerin | !cass is thin korean beer which seems to give some people IBS. |
| 04:03.35 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 04:03.38 | Justin | wm_eddie: do you know what uml is in the first place? |
| 04:03.38 | Spark | erm i get this error compiling the nvidia kernel module with make-kpkg: Could not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)! |
| 04:03.39 | Guerin | !ibs |
| 04:03.42 | Spark | make[1]: *** [kdist] Error 1 |
| 04:03.44 | Spark | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel' |
| 04:03.46 | Spark | what package do i need? :) |
| 04:03.46 | aum | hi - for the last day, i've been unable to connect to freenode with xchat - any ideas? |
| 04:03.47 | nailbiter | karsten: ah. :) |
| 04:03.52 | Guerin | !ibs is Irritable Bowel Syndromw. |
| 04:03.53 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 04:03.55 | thomas_adam | dpkg, ibs is <reply> Irritable Bowl Syndrome |
| 04:03.55 | dpkg | ...but ibs is already something else... |
| 04:04.01 | Guerin | !no, ibs is Irritable Bowel Syndrome. |
| 04:04.11 | karsten | nailbiter: runit. Other stuff. You can use SysV init and modify the front-end, I think. Might also look at Knoppix which modifies output. |
| 04:04.16 | thomas_adam | time for bed now. |
| 04:04.25 | Phated | aum: No idea whatsoever, I've been connecting fine. |
| 04:04.26 | wm_eddie | justin I have a basic idea... |
| 04:04.28 | Guerin | dpkg, no, ibs is Irritable Bowel Syndrome. |
| 04:04.29 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 04:04.48 | voltagex | Spark: am I missing something or is there any reason not to use nvidia-installer? |
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| 04:04.53 | nailbiter | karsten: thanks for the suggestions. :) |
| 04:04.54 | Tezkah | dpkg: what are you, the freakin' pope? |
| 04:04.59 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, Tezkah |
| 04:05.02 | Justin | dpkg: pope |
| 04:05.02 | dpkg | methinks pope is a guy with no life |
| 04:05.20 | greycat | but he has a really cool hat. |
| 04:05.25 | FsckIt | but a pimpin' ride, though |
| 04:05.32 | wm_eddie | lol |
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| 04:05.46 | Phated | greycat: The hat doesn't make up for the lack of a alife. :) |
| 04:05.48 | sgeigerbot | greycat: no comment? |
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| 04:05.58 | greycat | sgeigerbot: you've been extra-dumb today. |
| 04:06.09 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Thanks. That's what I wanted to hear. |
| 04:06.11 | Tezkah | what can you expect? he's just a bot |
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| 04:06.24 | Spark | voltagex: because its not the 'debian way' |
| 04:06.27 | greycat | Tezkah: well, he *did* flunk the turing test... |
| 04:06.41 | voltagex | Spark: a helluva lot easier tho |
| 04:06.48 | sgeigerbot | Are you having a bad fur day? |
| 04:07.00 | greycat | !sing sunday |
| 04:07.01 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 04:07.16 | flatwounds | hah |
| 04:07.38 | sussudio | Guerin: unlike hardcore techno |
| 04:07.52 | Spark | voltagex: i suspect im just missing a package, in the long term this will be better since it will all be dealt with by dpkg |
| 04:08.01 | Guerin | sussudio: yeah, hardcore isn't my first choice at any time, least of all after a hard night of drinking |
| 04:08.24 | sussudio | Guerin: at least "Fine Time" by New Order has some sheep samples in it |
| 04:08.31 | voltagex | Spark: isn't there an apt-get command that gets the stuff you need to build something |
| 04:08.46 | Spark | yeah presumably this dependency of make-kpkg isnt listed |
| 04:08.48 | Guerin | sussudio: it's the little things thaat count, isn't it |
| 04:08.57 | sussudio | Guerin: baa-aa-aa-aaah |
| 04:09.08 | voltagex | Spark: <n00b>You could try google</noob> |
| 04:09.08 | jello | voltagex: apt-get build-dep <pkg> |
| 04:09.19 | Guerin | Spark: got build-essential? |
| 04:09.22 | Tezkah | apt-get install...please? |
| 04:09.46 | karsten | nailbiter: file-rc is the BSD-style init IIRC. |
| 04:09.47 | greycat | apt, get in stall |
| 04:09.48 | apt | greycat: I give up, what is it? |
| 04:10.05 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:10.06 | Spark | Guerin: no but i have everything it depends upon :p |
| 04:10.17 | Spark | Guerin: its pgp that i required, im going to try again with pgp5i install |
| 04:10.23 | Spark | s/install/installed/ |
| 04:10.24 | Guerin | !b-e Spark |
| 04:10.24 | dpkg | Spark: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 04:10.25 | greycat | apt, get in stall is <action> gets into the stall |
| 04:10.26 | apt | okay, greycat |
| 04:10.35 | greycat | apt, get install is <action> gets into the stall |
| 04:10.36 | apt | okay, greycat |
| 04:10.36 | Spark | same error |
| 04:10.39 | Guerin | greycat: I was going to do it if you didn't |
| 04:10.41 | coolbean | hmmm... interesting i think my sis had a boy in her room |
| 04:10.46 | Justin | Spark: you could try actually reading first the docs that come with it, then, the actual error message and fix the problem, rather than guessing |
| 04:10.57 | Phated | coolbean: Take it to #teen-gossip. |
| 04:11.01 | wm_eddie | coolbean, lol |
| 04:11.04 | Spark | Justin: im supposed to read the docs within the package? |
| 04:11.06 | Spark | rather than just hte howto |
| 04:11.07 | nailbiter | karsten: wow, it even converts existing init.d/*, rc?.d/* scripts .. |
| 04:11.12 | coolbean | :) |
| 04:11.17 | Justin | Spark: what howto? |
| 04:11.20 | Guerin | coolbean: shock, horror. You'll be wanting one next. |
| 04:11.27 | Spark | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 04:12.18 | karsten | nailbiter: If you believe the docs, yes. I've never tried it. |
| 04:12.23 | xoz | nailbiter: i'm using it... easier to maintain than update-rc.d. just edit one file: /etc/runlevel.conf |
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| 04:12.37 | karsten | !bsd init is see rc-files |
| 04:12.37 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 04:12.38 | Justin | Spark: a random website does not take the place of the docs that come with the package |
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| 04:13.03 | Spark | why does everyone say read google then? :) |
| 04:13.23 | greycat | google isn't just some "random website" :) |
| 04:13.35 | FsckIt | Justin: obviously, random websites are unlikely to even have information related to the subject at hand |
| 04:13.41 | coolbean | ....one nation under google |
| 04:13.51 | greycat | I think we're more than one nation |
| 04:13.59 | coolbean | not under google |
| 04:14.12 | Guerin | coolbean: tell that to the chinese |
| 04:14.20 | greycat | under google? a text box. |
| 04:14.37 | Guerin | coolbean: and the people who have trouble searching google in non-english and non-latin characters |
| 04:14.59 | coolbean | i dont know ... i saw it in a cartoon ...some kids in a class room, and they said "One Nation Under .... google" |
| 04:14.59 | Spark | Justin: i cant find any information within the nvidia kernel package |
| 04:15.11 | Justin | Spark: that just means you didn't look. |
| 04:15.14 | Guerin | coolbean: they were referring to the US |
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| 04:15.19 | coolbean | i'm aware |
| 04:15.23 | grendel | hello to everyone |
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| 04:15.32 | Spark | Justin: do you know where it is? |
| 04:15.36 | Tezkah | evenin' grendel |
| 04:15.37 | coolbean | but it's amusing |
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| 04:15.50 | sgeigerbot | greycat: I gave a bit of valuable information to someone earlier today, and before I could explain myself I started getting attacked: http://www.ncee.net/temp/debootstrap-from-livecd.txt |
| 04:15.50 | FsckIt | grendel: sup? |
| 04:15.52 | greycat | bar10der: [NickServ] The nickname [bartender] is not registered |
| 04:15.56 | Justin | Spark: it is IN the package, did you look in the package? |
| 04:16.08 | grendel | does anyone know what happenned with http://marillat.free.fr/ deb source ? |
| 04:16.08 | Spark | oh its in /usr/share |
| 04:16.13 | grendel | Tezkah, hi |
| 04:16.17 | Guerin | !helpfile foo |
| 04:16.18 | dpkg | For help with foo, look in /usr/share/doc/foo There may be an examples/ directory there as well. |
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| 04:16.20 | grendel | FsckIt, hello. |
| 04:16.27 | jello | grendel: ask marillat? |
| 04:16.37 | grendel | I use to get the w32codecs from there.. |
| 04:16.39 | bar10der | greycat: is now |
| 04:16.40 | bar10der | =] |
| 04:16.43 | MrLuring | is there anything i need to enable in mysql-server to acceppt connection outside of localhost ? |
| 04:16.55 | Guerin | !tell grendel about marillat |
| 04:17.02 | Guerin | !tell grendel about mplayer |
| 04:17.14 | grendel | Guerin, thanks |
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| 04:17.40 | Justin | MrLuring: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian ? |
| 04:17.43 | voltagex | !tell grendel about marillat |
| 04:17.43 | Tezkah | !tell Tezkah about marillat && mplayer |
| 04:17.47 | voltagex | oopppps |
| 04:18.00 | voltagex | sorry I meant to put my nickname there |
| 04:18.01 | grendel | thanks guys... I got it.. |
| 04:18.05 | MrLuring | Justin: i have read that :) any idea ? |
| 04:18.10 | greycat | voltagex: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 04:18.16 | voltagex | ah |
| 04:18.19 | Justin | MrLuring: what debian release are you using? |
| 04:18.28 | voltagex | I'll remember that |
| 04:18.35 | MrLuring | Justin: 3.0 rc2 |
| 04:18.36 | bar10der | anyone run openmosix? |
| 04:18.54 | greycat | nobody in the whole world runs it. |
| 04:18.54 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 04:18.54 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 04:19.04 | bar10der | why that |
| 04:19.07 | bar10der | whys |
| 04:19.11 | greycat | !tell bar10der about polls |
| 04:19.12 | Spark | Justin: no mention of PGP there, running the advised commands still fails with a message about lack of PGP utils |
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| 04:19.25 | Spark | Justin: i just lied |
| 04:19.31 | Spark | Justin: disregard that last statement :) |
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| 04:19.57 | xoz | MrLuring: you have to enable port connection in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 04:20.16 | bar10der | i cant ask if anyone runs openmosix? |
| 04:20.19 | MrLuring | xoz: ahh :) |
| 04:20.19 | Justin | MrLuring: dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server. |
| 04:20.25 | Guerin | MrLuring: which you would have known if you'd read the fucking doc |
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| 04:20.45 | Guerin | MrLuring: or the install-time notification dpkg gave you |
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| 04:21.41 | xoz | MrLuring: and disable skip-networking |
| 04:21.55 | MrLuring | xoz: ok thanks :) |
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| 04:22.44 | sgeigerbot | bar10der: the protocol is that one shouldn't ask to ask but instead ask. |
| 04:23.07 | xoz | MrLuring: try to read the readme/doc always. |
| 04:23.19 | Tezkah | may I ask about asking to ask but instead ask? |
| 04:23.22 | MrLuring | xoz: sure :) |
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| 04:23.44 | Guerin | !penixsmite Tezkah |
| 04:23.55 | xoz | MrLuring: good luck. |
| 04:23.55 | greycat | bar10der: if it's a debian package, check the popcon page. Don't ask a channel with almost 700 people in it whether "anyone uses foo" because it's very very rude to invite that sort of flood of "yes, I do" messages. |
| 04:23.59 | jello | !penixstrike Tezkah |
| 04:24.28 | Tezkah | All hail might Guerin. BILL GUERIN 13 Right Wing. :) |
| 04:24.29 | Guerin | !listkeys penix |
| 04:24.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'penix' by key (15 shown; 33 total): penixmep ;; penixtwit ;; CMD: penixsnack (.*?) ;; penix #DEL# ;; penixcancer (.*?) #DEL# ;; start a penix war ;; penixmouse #DEL# ;; penixmouse ;; cmd: penixcancer (.*?) #DEL# ;; cmd: penixsmack (.*?) #DEL# ;; penixsex ;; cmd penixsnack (.*) #DEL# ;; penixtell ;; penixbabies ;; sing penix. |
| 04:24.31 | Tezkah | *mighty |
| 04:24.33 | sgeigerbot | greycat: I gave a bit of valuable information to someone earlier today, and before I could explain myself I started getting attacked: http://www.ncee.net/temp/debootstrap-from-livecd.txt |
| 04:24.34 | Silent11 | hi all, i have an sblive card i'm trying to get working. I compiled my kernel with alsa support and now i'm trying to load the emu10k1 module but all it says when i type insmod emu10k1.ko, is "error inserting unknown symbol" |
| 04:24.48 | Guerin | seems a lot of the penix factoids have been forgotten... |
| 04:24.54 | Justin | skimpIzu: emu10k1.ko is NOT alsa. |
| 04:24.56 | Justin | grr |
| 04:24.58 | greycat | Silent11: emu10k1 is OSS, not ALSA |
| 04:25.12 | Justin | !tell Silent11 about insmod |
| 04:25.23 | Xm4n | help |
| 04:25.36 | greycat | Xm4n: this isn't your bash prompt. |
| 04:25.37 | Justin | !help Xm4n |
| 04:25.43 | greycat | Justin: nice try |
| 04:25.52 | Guerin | !fix Xm4n |
| 04:26.11 | Silent11 | greycat: thanks for setting me straight, i'll do some reading how to get alsa working on linux |
| 04:26.11 | bar10der | well if nobody in the world uses it, it shouldn't flood the channel |
| 04:26.21 | karsten | Fuck. That's *twice* I've killed a Galeon session or window. |
| 04:26.25 | Xm4n | i cannot install libxft-dev |
| 04:26.41 | sgeigerbot | greycat: Just ignore it if you like. I thought you were a person who strove to be fair. |
| 04:26.47 | greycat | I cannot hold my right elbow in my right hand |
| 04:26.48 | Phated | bar10der: In that case, you're pretty much not going to get help, hten. :) |
| 04:27.03 | sgeigerbot | greycat: And that means what? |
| 04:27.05 | bar10der | i didn't know nobody used it unless I asked |
| 04:27.14 | Xm4n | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 04:27.14 | Xm4n | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.14 | Xm4n | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 04:27.15 | FsckIt | greycat: that can be fixed ;-P |
| 04:27.16 | greycat | bar10der: WHY DO YOU CARE???] |
| 04:27.27 | greycat | GODS! Just ask your fucking QUESTION! |
| 04:27.32 | Guerin | Xm4n: what was the error? |
| 04:27.36 | bar10der | i did |
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| 04:27.52 | Phated | bar10der: And did you get help? |
| 04:27.53 | lanchow | crash |
| 04:27.54 | bar10der | I WANT TO KNOW IF ANYONE USES IT BEFORE I ASK ABOUT IT |
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| 04:28.02 | Xm4n | Guerin, i want to install d4x, apt-get install d4x,but it says independency problems |
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| 04:28.28 | Guerin | !depends d4x |
| 04:28.30 | dpkg | d4x: depends on libao2 (>= 0.8.5), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.6.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3.3-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.4.1), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.4.1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.4.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.3-1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0) |
| 04:28.52 | Guerin | Xm4n: no -dev libs in there, why do you need them? |
| 04:28.54 | Xm4n | Guerin, d4x: depend on libao2 (>= 0.8.5),it will not be installed |
| 04:29.11 | Xm4n | Guerin, but it tells me that when i try to install d4x |
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| 04:29.40 | Guerin | Xm4n: what version does apt-cache show libao2 say will be installed? |
| 04:30.10 | Xm4n | libxft-dev: depend on libxft2 (= 2.1.2-5.firefly.20031127) but 2.1.2-6 is going to install |
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| 04:30.33 | thomas_adam | Guerin: There's a bug report on this... |
| 04:30.48 | thomas_adam | !be bob2 barbie |
| 04:30.48 | Xm4n | Guerin, Version: 0.8.5-1 |
| 04:30.49 | dpkg | Going to sleep is HARD! |
| 04:30.57 | sgeigerbot | greycat-- |
| 04:31.02 | sgeigerbot | ...just kidding. |
| 04:31.23 | Justin | hmm |
| 04:31.25 | Guerin | Xm4n: 1) BTS 2) I still see no need for dev libs |
| 04:31.26 | Justin | !lart cron |
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| 04:31.41 | Justin | not having my puter on a 6am or whatever has not been kind to logrotate... |
| 04:31.44 | Justin | 661M /var/log |
| 04:31.46 | Xm4n | Guerin, but now i try to instasll d4x,it will not install |
| 04:31.49 | greycat | Xm4n: either your mirror is not up to date, or you've somehow mixed up sources, or you pulled out the source where you originally got the libxft2 package, or sid reverted back to an older one, or something. DO some fucking HOMEWORK. |
| 04:32.27 | Xm4n | greycat, I didnt change my source list |
| 04:32.31 | Xm4n | its always sarge |
| 04:32.44 | greycat | Justin: edit /etc/crontab so cron.daily runs at a better time for you.... |
| 04:32.52 | greycat | !info libxft2-dev sarge |
| 04:32.54 | greycat | !info libxft2 sarge |
| 04:32.58 | dpkg | libxft2: (FreeType-based font drawing library for X), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.1.2-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 48 kB, Installed size: 144 kB |
| 04:33.00 | Justin | greycat: ah it was messagewall again, I need to get rid of that/fix it |
| 04:33.00 | greycat | 00:32 =dpkg> Package 'libxft2-dev' does not exist. |
| 04:33.01 | coolbean | wtf does courierlogger do? |
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| 04:33.17 | thomas_adam | coolbean: apt-cache show |
| 04:33.25 | greycat | !info libxft-dev sarge |
| 04:33.28 | FsckIt | Justin: anacron |
| 04:33.29 | dpkg | libxft-dev: (FreeType-based font drawing library for X (development files)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.1.2-6 (sarge), Packaged size: 58 kB, Installed size: 220 kB |
| 04:33.34 | greycat | Xm4n: try that one. |
| 04:33.46 | Xm4n | greycat, i did this yesterday ' apt-get install fontconfig libxft2 libxft2-dev libpango1.0-0 xfonts-intl-chinese doc-linux-zh-s manpages-zh ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp ttf-arphic-bkai00mp ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-gkai00mp' |
| 04:33.54 | greycat | Xm4n: see above. |
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| 04:34.40 | Xm4n | apt-get install libxft2 ? |
| 04:34.48 | greycat | !hurt Xm4n |
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| 04:34.59 | thomas_adam | Xm4n: libxft-dev |
| 04:35.29 | Xm4n | errors |
| 04:35.42 | thomas_adam | helpful. |
| 04:35.52 | Xm4n | thomas_adam, i apt-get install libxft-dev,it doenst contact my sourlist,but it seems its from my hdd |
| 04:36.03 | thomas_adam | Xm4n: good. |
| 04:36.18 | thomas_adam | Xm4n: This is how a computer works. |
| 04:36.18 | Xm4n | thomas_adam, dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxft-dev_2.1.2-6_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 04:36.19 | greycat | Do you know what the bad thing about going to bed on early Sunday morning is? |
| 04:36.23 | Guerin | fuck, bittornado has a ton of bugs for such a trivial package |
| 04:36.28 | thomas_adam | greycat: do tell me. |
| 04:36.35 | greycat | When I wake up, it'll STILL BE SUNDAY. |
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| 04:36.51 | thomas_adam | greycat: Everyday is like Sunday.... |
| 04:36.58 | greycat | thomas_adam: that's a lie. |
| 04:37.06 | thomas_adam | greycat: But Morissey said.... |
| 04:37.06 | Xm4n | thomas_adam, can you join #food for minute let me post it there / |
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| 04:37.16 | Xm4n | the error when i do apt-get install libxft-dev |
| 04:37.24 | thomas_adam | Xm4n: I know what the errors are. |
| 04:37.33 | Xm4n | oh |
| 04:38.01 | Xm4n | hmm |
| 04:38.01 | Justin | Guerin: most of them are bogus |
| 04:38.16 | Justin | bittornado replaces bittorrent, there is no reason to want to have both |
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| 04:38.28 | Justin | it is not an "alternative" |
| 04:38.55 | thomas_adam | bugs 237509 |
| 04:38.57 | thomas_adam | bugs 237511 |
| 04:39.02 | thomas_adam | !+bugs 237511 |
| 04:39.04 | dpkg | #237511:I[libxft-dev] libxft-dev: upgrading from libxft-dev 2.1.2-[1-5] doesn't work due to dpkg-divert being run before unpack (wontfix) [#237509,#240302,#241008] |
| 04:39.22 | thomas_adam | Xm4n: |
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| 04:39.30 | Xm4n | £¿ |
| 04:39.39 | Xm4n | thomas_adam, whats that picture ? |
| 04:40.00 | thomas_adam | Xm4n: That's me pressing control, and not shift. It is 05:40 here. :/ |
| 04:40.02 | Xm4n | thomas_adam, so would you tell me how i can fix it ? |
| 04:40.14 | thomas_adam | Xm4n: FUCKING WELL READ THE BTS |
| 04:40.15 | Guerin | Justin: I'm just looking at the one which prevents installation, the one which means it conflicts with bittorrent, and the one "abuse of debconf note" one, because it pops up a fullscreen debconf note for a simple, trivial notification |
| 04:40.17 | Xm4n | oh |
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| 04:40.38 | dave_ | ssh server not working, "Did not receive identification string from 192.168..." in auth.log |
| 04:40.41 | thomas_adam | Xm4n: go look at some bug numbers (see last factoid from dpkg above) |
| 04:40.58 | Xm4n | I see |
| 04:41.04 | Guerin | Justin: the main one is the postinst error |
| 04:41.23 | Guerin | Justin: I just read what you said above; I guess you're right |
| 04:41.35 | dave_ | ssh "listening on 0.0.0.0 port 22" is this correct? |
| 04:42.08 | Xm4n | if i go back to woody/by reinstalling,i will not have those strange problems ? |
| 04:42.36 | thomas_adam | Xm4n: try www.microsoft.com |
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| 04:43.16 | Guerin | thomas_adam: you do realise that Xm4n is TAFKA r00t^ |
| 04:43.33 | thomas_adam | Guerin: I did not. |
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| 04:44.00 | thomas_adam | Guerin++ |
| 04:44.09 | Cr0n0s | save all. |
| 04:44.34 | thomas_adam | Cr0n0s: :wa |
| 04:44.45 | Cr0n0s | ? |
| 04:45.05 | Guerin | Cr0n0s: C-x C-s C-x C-c |
| 04:45.15 | thomas_adam | Cr0n0s: You're clearly not a vim user. |
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| 04:46.48 | davidgalbraith | Hello |
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| 04:48.07 | Guerin | !info bittornado sarge |
| 04:48.09 | dpkg | bittornado: (Bittorrent client with enhanced gui and curses mode), section net, is optional. Version: 0.2.0-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 146 kB, Installed size: 1052 kB |
| 04:48.16 | davidgalbraith | I was told that Debian would be a good distro to resurect an old Packard Bell 406CD |
| 04:48.37 | Guerin | davidgalbraith: debian is a good distro for most things. |
| 04:48.53 | dave_ | sarge rules |
| 04:48.55 | davidgalbraith | Could someone tell me how well it would run on it, its only 75Mhz |
| 04:48.56 | thomas_adam | davidgalbraith: gentoo. |
| 04:49.25 | Guerin | davidgalbraith: it'll run fine, as long as you don't expect too much of it. How much ram? |
| 04:49.31 | wpostma | davidgalbraith, run Woody, which is pretty old software, I would use a light desktop like xfce. |
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| 04:49.38 | davidgalbraith | I'm also a n00b at linux, the only distro I've used is Mandrake 9.1 |
| 04:49.44 | thomas_adam | fvwm! |
| 04:49.57 | wpostma | fvwm is good too. I like xfce better. :-P |
| 04:50.10 | Xm4n | anyone know what is the lastest kernel for debian woody without having to patch it ? |
| 04:50.21 | Xm4n | im going to reinstall debian |
| 04:50.33 | Guerin | Xm4n: don't expect any help from us then |
| 04:50.39 | Xm4n | i never had independency problem with stable release |
| 04:50.53 | wpostma | Xm4n, apt-cache is your friend. |
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| 04:51.05 | StRaNdEd | how can i set up user accounts on debian? |
| 04:51.08 | davidgalbraith | onnly 8Mb at the moment but I know I've got more old sticks around here, the 8Mb is on 2 of the 4 slots |
| 04:51.13 | Guerin | Xm4n: there are ways around these things |
| 04:51.19 | Xm4n | wpostma, atp-cache cannot do everything |
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| 04:51.24 | Guerin | davidgalbraith: get as much ram as you can cram into the thing |
| 04:51.33 | Guerin | davidgalbraith: less than 16MB will be pain. |
| 04:51.33 | wpostma | Xm4n, it can tell you which kernels are available for woody. :-) |
| 04:51.47 | Guerin | Xm4n: don't fucking reinstall, imbecile |
| 04:51.55 | Guerin | Xm4n: fix the fucking problem |
| 04:52.03 | wpostma | Amen, Guerin. |
| 04:52.08 | Xm4n | Guerin, but that bug isnt fixable ? |
| 04:52.17 | Xm4n | i read,it says 'won't fix' |
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| 04:52.20 | thomas_adam | Xm4n: You lack logical thought. You need to eat more red meat. |
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| 04:52.30 | davidgalbraith | how large is Debian anyways? I only have an 850Mb HD in that thing |
| 04:52.35 | Guerin | Xm4n: if you spill coffee in the morning, do you just give up on the whole day? |
| 04:52.51 | wpostma | davidgalgraith, anywhere from under 100 mb, to multiple gigabytes, it all depends on what you install. :-) |
| 04:52.55 | Guerin | davidgalbraith: anything from about 200 to 2000MB |
| 04:52.56 | Xm4n | Guerin, im a noob |
| 04:53.07 | thomas_adam | davidgalbraith: base install is ~200 MB. Add X on there... hmm, have a look at the RULE project: www.rule-project.org |
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| 04:53.19 | davidgalbraith | And from what I can understand can't take anything larger than a 2.1Gb |
| 04:53.26 | Guerin | Xm4n: I know. So WTF are you doing stupid shit like 1) compiling your own kernel 2) using testing without reading the bug reports |
| 04:53.43 | Xm4n | haha |
| 04:53.47 | thomas_adam | didn't we establish Xm4n doesn't and cannot read? |
| 04:53.49 | Xm4n | Guerin, hi,be calm |
| 04:53.50 | thomas_adam | I think we did.... |
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| 04:54.30 | Xm4n | hmm |
| 04:54.39 | wpostma | davidgalbraith, I suggest you not bother. What did you really want to do with your 75 mhz 8 mb machine? It's more fun to learn linux on a beefy machine. Recycling oldies is for old hands who have a particular job in mind. For example, I use a 486/33 as my gateway/firewall box. Works great. |
| 04:54.43 | Guerin | davidgalbraith: refit it with as much ram and hdd as you can, it should be sweet. You'll need to pick the lightest environment you can (no X would be ideal). |
| 04:55.10 | thomas_adam | or TinyX |
| 04:55.12 | wpostma | Hows that for different opinions. :-) |
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| 04:55.35 | davidgalbraith | Hhhmmm... What to run... I'm just looking to use it as a learning box to get a feel for linux, I don't wanna try a linux on my iBook |
| 04:55.50 | Guerin | wpostma: your advice is ptobably more sound :) |
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| 04:55.54 | atx3d | What irc client do most people use in X ? |
| 04:55.56 | MrPRiM8 | hey is there any way I can upgrade(downgrade?)/switch my entire system from unstable to testing? |
| 04:55.58 | StRaNdEd | how can i set up user accounts on debian? |
| 04:56.03 | thomas_adam | !tell atx3d about polls |
| 04:56.04 | MrPRiM8 | atx3d: xchat |
| 04:56.06 | Guerin | davidgalbraith: whatever you run, expect to have to read and learn a lot |
| 04:56.21 | thomas_adam | !+downgrade |
| 04:56.22 | dpkg | from memory, downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 04:56.24 | wpostma | davidgalbraith, then I would (a) stay away from X unless you have 32 mb ram, and (b) I would focus on learning the command line, which you can do on an oldy machine. I suggest you get a nice booklike Hands-On Linux by Sobell, or download the Debian docs and read them on your IBOOK while playing. |
| 04:56.28 | davidgalbraith | I don't mind the learning |
| 04:56.31 | StRaNdEd | !adduser |
| 04:56.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, adduser is a program that adds a user to the system. |
| 04:56.38 | Guerin | StRaNdEd: if you don't know how, you shouldn't run a box with more than 1 user |
| 04:56.47 | MrPRiM8 | dpkg: thanks..hmm |
| 04:56.47 | dpkg | de rien, MrPRiM8 |
| 04:56.51 | StRaNdEd | ya well i was told its not good running as the root |
| 04:57.08 | thomas_adam | Guerin: make that two users -- please say he has root + at least his own non-root user. :) |
| 04:57.11 | atx3d | oh sorry about the poll |
| 04:57.13 | Guerin | StRaNdEd: when you installed debiian, it set up a non-privileged user for you. Use it. |
| 04:57.14 | atx3d | :P |
| 04:57.19 | Guerin | thomas_adam: true |
| 04:57.36 | Guerin | thomas_adam: root is not technically a user in the sense I meant it :) |
| 04:57.44 | StRaNdEd | |*Guerin*| i didnt install dibian my server provider did |
| 04:57.44 | thomas_adam | heh |
| 04:57.51 | Guerin | !tell StRaNdEd about fundamentals |
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| 04:57.56 | thomas_adam | StRaNdEd: |*fix*| your fucking |*client*| |
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| 04:58.04 | wpostma | davidgalbraith, also, consider that you can get a decent Pentium-3 clone used for around $200. So if you really want to learn Linux and all you have is a P75 and an iBook, by all means play with the P75, then go buy a $200 beater clone. |
| 04:58.37 | Guerin | StRaNdEd: then you need to rtfm a lot. man adduser and man useradd are good places to sstart. |
| 04:58.37 | thomas_adam | dibian, hahahahaha |
| 04:58.54 | wpostma | New distro for newbies; Dweebian. |
| 04:59.28 | thomas_adam | wpostma: Your comments are slightly inaccurate. The HW davidgalbraith is fine for X, see http://www.rule-project.org |
| 04:59.37 | wpostma | WOOT. I finally got kernel 2.6 and ALSA working on my machine, after about 96 attempts. RTFM really does work. GRIN. |
| 04:59.39 | davidgalbraith | I'll see what I can dig up, I used to junk for computer parts as a kid, maybe I'll find an Athlon box with nothing but a bad PS |
| 05:00.06 | wpostma | davidgalbraith, GOOD idea. A p75 would only piss me off if I had to use it for anything more than a firewall. |
| 05:00.22 | sloopy | davidgalbraith: just as a note, there were some packard-bells that couldnt run linux... there was something about the bios, i dont remember the exact details i only know of it cause a friend had one... |
| 05:00.25 | MrPRiM8 | ow, downgrading sounds like it will take some work... is it possible to remove the entire gnome (possibly unselect it in tasksel?) easily |
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| 05:00.41 | thomas_adam | MrPRiM8: That's not what tasksel is for. |
| 05:00.47 | Guerin | MrPRiM8: if only. |
| 05:01.00 | pme | wpostma: Which part of TFM were you missing before? Because I still have had no luck with ALSA. (Due to bug #246744) |
| 05:01.05 | Guerin | MrPRiM8: grnome is an infestation, it's really hard to nuke it all |
| 05:01.23 | MrPRiM8 | Guerin: yeah it seems the web of dependencies can run deep |
| 05:01.23 | thomas_adam | Happy Birthday America. :) |
| 05:01.44 | wpostma | Well first I had an ESS Maestro3 and I couldn't figure out which driver to use. rather I tried everything that looked like maestro/ess and none worked. Magically, in kernel 2.6.7 there is a driver that works on my machine. |
| 05:01.49 | MrPRiM8 | really the main thing that is broken is gedit, but that's the editor i use, and I can't even compile from source now |
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| 05:01.54 | Guerin | MrPRiM8: yeah. Especially since many apps will still want some gtk2 libs, etc |
| 05:01.56 | exobyte__ | how can I extract an iso off a cdrom drive? |
| 05:01.57 | davidgalbraith | Well I did have a P2 300 before that I was running Mandrake on but it blew out cuz of a bad powersuply |
| 05:02.01 | pme | . o O ( happy birthday america -- now move out of the basement and get a fucking job *grin* ) |
| 05:02.06 | MrPRiM8 | Guerin: yeah.. :( |
| 05:02.10 | Guerin | MrPRiM8: use a real editor |
| 05:02.15 | MrPRiM8 | Guerin: as in vi ? |
| 05:02.16 | thomas_adam | MrPRiM8: vim |
| 05:02.19 | Guerin | !beer pme |
| 05:02.28 | Guerin | emacs 4 evar! |
| 05:02.35 | MrPRiM8 | i use vim whenever i am in a terminal or console, |
| 05:02.40 | thomas_adam | edlin |
| 05:02.47 | wpostma | As a Canadian, may I humbly wish my neighbors a happy 4th of July. (Raises glass of *Canadian* beer to toast the good 'ole USA) |
| 05:02.49 | MrPRiM8 | but I like the big black on white fonts and things of gedit |
| 05:02.50 | thomas_adam | MrPRiM8: I use it in an xterm |
| 05:02.55 | davidgalbraith | Thanks for the insight, back to my PS2 |
| 05:03.02 | MrPRiM8 | thomas_adam: I would go blind if I code in xterm all the time |
| 05:03.05 | Guerin | MrPRiM8: all that is customisable |
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| 05:03.22 | wpostma | vim rul3z. |
| 05:03.27 | thomas_adam | Linux port to Emacs. \o/ |
| 05:03.31 | orionis | yeah.. |
| 05:03.32 | guestish | anyone know why my windows xchat will service ident requests but the linux one wont? |
| 05:03.33 | MrPRiM8 | its just easy to use gedit to have a bunch of stuff open at once and ctrl+1,2,3,4,5 to switch documents |
| 05:03.34 | pme | MrPRiM8: gvim does black on white by default |
| 05:03.48 | wpostma | guestish, on my system it had to do with my firewall/NAT. |
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| 05:04.08 | pme | guestish: it's not xchat answering the requests. There has to be an ident server installed and running. |
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| 05:04.24 | wpostma | I have an identd server running on my gateway NAT box, now it worketh. |
| 05:04.38 | guestish | pme: ah, ok |
| 05:04.59 | wpostma | guestish, try nullidentd |
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| 05:06.48 | guestish | wpostma: what about pidentd? |
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| 05:07.09 | guestish | wpostma: i just happened to have just installed it, heh |
| 05:07.24 | wpostma | prolly thats fine too. |
| 05:07.27 | guestish | ok |
| 05:07.30 | KRONOS | what is the easyest Incoming Mail Server for Debian that i can easyly install? |
| 05:07.40 | jello | KRONOS: postfix |
| 05:08.00 | pme | KRONOS: null-mta |
| 05:08.13 | guestish | KRONOS: i like postfix, and #postfix is good for any problems |
| 05:08.38 | KRONOS | ok..cool...i already see that i got that installed...where is the conf file so i can conf it? |
| 05:08.43 | jello | postfix rocks, and it's super easy to set up |
| 05:08.53 | jello | KRONOS: /etc/postfix/master.cf and main.cf |
| 05:08.57 | guestish | brb |
| 05:08.59 | KRONOS | is it IMAP or POP3 or other? |
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| 05:09.24 | mohohaha | imap or pop3 is not related to mail server |
| 05:09.33 | pme | KRONOS: um, if it's /incoming/ email, it's SMTP. |
| 05:09.33 | jello | KRONOS: oh, you want squirelmail |
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| 05:09.54 | KRONOS | i thought squirelmail is a web interface |
| 05:09.57 | guestish | bah |
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| 05:10.09 | guestish | the server is up and running, but it still shows me as unidented |
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| 05:10.14 | exobyte_ | is there a way I can use an iso as the cdrom drive in wine (without using loopback) |
| 05:10.19 | KRONOS | so postfix is a SMTP server? |
| 05:10.19 | jello | KRONOS: oh yeah, then try imaps or somesuch |
| 05:10.22 | pme | KRONOS: I would suggest reading some more docs before trying to run a mail server. You are going to get yourself in a heap of trouble... |
| 05:10.24 | mohohaha | squirl mail is just a web interface to imap |
| 05:10.31 | mohohaha | KRONOS, yes |
| 05:10.31 | jello | KRONOS: yes, postfix is SMTP |
| 05:10.38 | KRONOS | ok cool |
| 05:11.01 | xoz | KRONOS: exim, sendmail also |
| 05:11.05 | mohohaha | sendmail is smtp, so is qmail |
| 05:11.19 | jello | qmail == nonfree |
| 05:11.36 | mohohaha | qmail is not free? |
| 05:11.37 | pme | qmail == secure |
| 05:11.53 | pme | Qmail is free enough, it's just the author is an asshole. |
| 05:11.55 | mohohaha | how much is qmail |
| 05:12.10 | pme | Free beer, just not GPL-free. |
| 05:12.16 | KRONOS | um..so what is the Easyest POP/IMAP Server ? |
| 05:12.25 | mohohaha | just use postfix then, functioning and easy to config |
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| 05:12.42 | mohohaha | imap-uw is easy |
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| 05:13.33 | jello | $ apt-cache show imap-uw |
| 05:13.33 | jello | W: Unable to locate package imap-uw |
| 05:14.15 | guestish | ah forget it |
| 05:14.18 | guestish | screw ident |
| 05:14.33 | guestish | who uses it anyways... |
| 05:14.47 | echo | software patents SUCK! |
| 05:14.49 | mohohaha | i use it |
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| 05:14.58 | guestish | echo: hey, i like money |
| 05:15.02 | mohohaha | ident is almost useless |
| 05:15.09 | jello | mohohaha: why almost? |
| 05:15.11 | pme | echo: yes, but why bring it up here? |
| 05:15.11 | Phated | mohohaha: That was a rhetorical question. :) |
| 05:15.21 | exobyte_ | How can I extract an iso from /dev/cdrom? |
| 05:15.32 | jello | exobyte_: man 1 dd |
| 05:15.33 | guestish | exobyte_: extract an iso... |
| 05:15.34 | mohohaha | i don't find any use for ident, except some lame irc server |
| 05:15.35 | echo | pme: just happened to be where I was when I realized I couldn't use mp3s in gstreamer |
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| 05:15.42 | echo | at least not encoding. |
| 05:15.44 | guestish | exobyte_: do you have a cd? |
| 05:15.46 | pme | oh :-) |
| 05:15.52 | echo | so I can't use sound juicer to make mp3s. |
| 05:15.55 | exobyte_ | guestish: yes |
| 05:16.09 | guestish | exobyte_: check out cdrdao |
| 05:16.20 | guestish | exobyte_: it can do it |
| 05:16.57 | echo | So I'll use grip. |
| 05:17.02 | exobyte_ | guestish: thx. I'll take a look |
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| 05:17.21 | guestish | exobyte_: it actually uses bin/cue (i think) but that can be converted to iso pretty easily |
| 05:17.51 | exobyte_ | guestish: there isn't an easy way to mount that in wine by any chance |
| 05:17.59 | guestish | exobyte_: mount isos? |
| 05:18.14 | guestish | exobyte_: just mount it normally then add it as a drive in wine.conf |
| 05:18.38 | exobyte_ | guestish: eh- I'd need to remount on boot |
| 05:19.03 | guestish | exobyte_: add it to fstab |
| 05:19.05 | jello | exobyte_: check out cdparanoia |
| 05:19.28 | guestish | exobyte_: you can automount it on boot |
| 05:19.36 | Lui | Opinion/Suggestion request: What would you suggest using to link 2 networks over the Internet (some vpn package i suppose),,, I have a debian box on each side... |
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| 05:19.49 | exobyte_ | guestish: but I'd need to redo the loopback dev too |
| 05:19.56 | guestish | ? |
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| 05:20.04 | voltagex_ | how do I uninstall sendmail and install exim or postfix without everything breaking? |
| 05:20.08 | Lui | (i'm looking for a client/server (...) package name) |
| 05:20.12 | atx3d | !tell atx3d about sound |
| 05:20.25 | exobyte_ | guestish: I can't mount an iso dirrectly, can I? |
| 05:20.26 | guestish | voltagex_: just install exim or postfix and it'll replace the other one |
| 05:21.03 | jello | voltagex_: apt-get --purge install postfix |
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| 05:21.05 | guestish | exobyte_: mount -o loop -t auto filename mountpoint |
| 05:21.18 | guestish | exobyte_: it'll act as another hard drive |
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| 05:21.24 | jello | Lui: openswan, openvpn, etc... |
| 05:21.39 | Lui | jello, a prefered one? (simpler?) |
| 05:21.39 | exobyte_ | guestish: ah- coo |
| 05:21.41 | exobyte_ | *cool |
| 05:21.49 | guestish | yup... |
| 05:21.52 | jello | Lui: no idea, never done it myself |
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| 05:22.00 | jello | Lui: google is your friend |
| 05:22.05 | Lui | jello, hehe, i see.. tanks :) |
| 05:22.16 | Lui | howto's time... |
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| 05:22.22 | jello | Lui: exactly |
| 05:22.39 | Lui | let se... |
| 05:22.41 | guestish | exobyte_: actually man mkisofs, you can simply use that to make an iso image |
| 05:23.01 | voltagex_ | postfix: Conflicts: mail-transport-agent |
| 05:23.01 | voltagex_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.01 | voltagex_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:23.12 | guestish | voltagex_: apt-get install postfix |
| 05:23.23 | guestish | voltagex_: thats all you need to do |
| 05:23.29 | guestish | voltagex_: very simple... |
| 05:23.37 | yonatan | !s-video |
| 05:23.38 | voltagex_ | same error |
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| 05:23.47 | guestish | voltagex_: then you have dependency issues |
| 05:23.53 | exobyte_ | guestish: I think the cd hass primative copy protection. |
| 05:23.53 | exobyte_ | I actually own eonough liscenses to do this |
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| 05:24.08 | guestish | exobyte_: ...? |
| 05:24.39 | voltagex_ | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 05:24.56 | guestish | voltagex_: what is your problem? |
| 05:25.00 | voltagex_ | sendmail is disabled anywho |
| 05:25.01 | guestish | voltagex_: sheesh |
| 05:25.15 | jello | !tell coolbean about away |
| 05:25.15 | guestish | voltagex_: let me guess, you screwed up =P |
| 05:25.22 | exobyte_ | guestish: can I use the dd method with diff to make sure a cd burn was good? |
| 05:25.28 | voltagex_ | guestish: no matter what I do I can't get postfix to install |
| 05:25.38 | guestish | voltagex_: you havent tried very hard |
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| 05:25.47 | voltagex_ | compile from source |
| 05:25.51 | guestish | exobyte_: never tried |
| 05:25.53 | Guerin | voltagex_: NO |
| 05:26.02 | guestish | exobyte_: i always thought diff was for ASCII text |
| 05:26.03 | Guerin | voltagex_: use the fucking debian package |
| 05:26.18 | voltagex_ | I can't |
| 05:26.24 | voltagex_ | because it doesn't want to install |
| 05:26.28 | Guerin | voltagex_: you can, you just aren't trying very hard |
| 05:26.29 | exobyte_ | guestish: it does binary too |
| 05:26.36 | guestish | exobyte_: nice |
| 05:26.39 | exobyte_ | guestish: how can I add the mount line to fstab |
| 05:26.44 | voltagex_ | because this depends on that and that depends on this and if I force it it'll all break |
| 05:27.03 | guestish | voltagex_: your comp, if you have a deathwish, fell free, and as always you get to keep both pieces |
| 05:27.13 | guestish | exobyte_: with a text editor! |
| 05:27.23 | guestish | exobyte_: good stuff eh? |
| 05:27.29 | exobyte_ | guestish: it wasn't in the fstab form |
| 05:27.35 | voltagex_ | guestish so how do I fix the dependency problem then? |
| 05:27.53 | guestish | voltagex_: well why are you switching in the first place? |
| 05:28.03 | guestish | exobyte_: google is your friend |
| 05:28.06 | Guerin | voltagex_: there's a way of removing one package and installing another on the same line |
| 05:28.12 | voltagex_ | because sendmail hangs for about 1 minute at startup |
| 05:28.24 | voltagex_ | Guerin: please explain |
| 05:28.28 | Guerin | voltagex_: I can't remember it, but it might be apt-get install postfix sendmail- |
| 05:28.34 | stew | Guerin: yes, thats it |
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| 05:29.01 | guestish | huh, cool |
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| 05:29.44 | Guerin | stew: do you know where that's documented? I can't see it in man apt-get... |
| 05:29.48 | voltagex_ | Guerin: still errors |
| 05:29.56 | voltagex_ | maybe easier to work on the sendmail problem |
| 05:29.59 | guestish | voltagex_: #flood |
| 05:30.05 | Guerin | voltagex_: what distro of debian? |
| 05:30.05 | guestish | voltagex_: paste there |
| 05:30.12 | Guerin | s/distro/branch/ |
| 05:30.30 | voltagex_ | s/Debian/testing/unstable |
| 05:30.39 | guestish | voltagex_: unstable... |
| 05:30.45 | Guerin | voltagex_: ... |
| 05:30.49 | guestish | voltagex_: uh huh... |
| 05:30.56 | guestish | voltagex_: paste the error in #flood |
| 05:30.58 | voltagex_ | because everything else is too old |
| 05:31.10 | KRONOS | can someone please tell me a Easy To Configure POP3/IMAP mail server ? |
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| 05:31.21 | Godot | any opinions on user mode linux speed/reliability wise? i just bought a partition from redwoodvirtual.com and it's performing like crap. |
| 05:31.22 | guestish | KRONOS: easy to configure... |
| 05:31.28 | stew | Guerin: i con't find it in the man page either |
| 05:31.39 | guestish | KRONOS: i didnt know any server was easy to configure |
| 05:31.43 | Guerin | KRONOS: no such thing |
| 05:31.48 | voltagex_ | omg |
| 05:32.09 | Guerin | KRONOS: I use courier for both, but I know fuckall about them. |
| 05:32.09 | guestish | ? |
| 05:32.16 | voltagex_ | while i was in flood I got booted from the server for flooding |
| 05:32.23 | debian | HAH |
| 05:32.25 | guestish | lol |
| 05:32.25 | Guerin | stew: hrm... |
| 05:32.30 | codeus | http://codeus.sexybsd.org/ad.codeus |
| 05:32.31 | guestish | well paste slowly :) |
| 05:32.34 | debian | impressive :) |
| 05:32.37 | guestish | too much text too fast will boot ya |
| 05:32.43 | guestish | do 5 lines at a time |
| 05:32.50 | voltagex_ | how, using bitchx |
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| 05:32.56 | voltagex_ | or do it manually? |
| 05:33.01 | guestish | voltagex_: take 5 lines, paste, take another 5, page |
| 05:33.03 | guestish | paste |
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| 05:33.26 | Guerin | voltagex_: /exec -o /cat file.txt in #flood |
| 05:33.30 | Guerin | voltagex_: /exec -o cat file.txt in #flood |
| 05:33.36 | IceDC571 | ugh.. ive tried for days and I cant get my ATI card working under debian |
| 05:33.43 | IceDC571 | does anyone else here have an ati card? |
| 05:33.47 | Guerin | !polls |
| 05:33.47 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> |
| 05:34.10 | codeus | http://codeus.sexybsd.org/ad.codeus |
| 05:34.10 | exobyte_ | DUDE!!! Y ROCKS!!! |
| 05:34.19 | guestish | exobyte_: wtf |
| 05:34.29 | IceDC571 | wtf.. thats totally not a poll, dpkg |
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| 05:34.48 | Guerin | codeus: fuck off, stop spamming |
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| 05:34.57 | Guerin | IceDC571: no, that is a textbook poll. |
| 05:35.06 | IceDC571 | heh |
| 05:35.07 | exobyte_ | guestish: responding to a poll |
| 05:35.11 | guestish | exobyte_: lol |
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| 05:35.18 | guestish | voltagex_: ... |
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| 05:35.27 | guestish | voltagex_: still trying to figure out how to paste? |
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| 05:35.35 | IceDC571 | lets see if i can reword this |
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| 05:36.08 | IceDC571 | can a_nyone point me to the right direction of installing ATI drivers on debian &questionmark |
| 05:36.19 | guestish | IceDC571: the ATI website |
| 05:36.24 | Guerin | IceDC571: still a poll, but getting better |
| 05:36.39 | Guerin | !tell IceDC571 about ati drivers |
| 05:36.56 | gregday | &questionmark what is that about |
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| 05:37.33 | IceDC571 | i thought dpkg would pick up the ? mark |
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| 05:37.47 | IceDC571 | apparently its not the stupid :) |
| 05:37.47 | Guerin | IceDC571: nope, only likes ! and only as the first character |
| 05:38.07 | IceDC571 | that* ahhh cant type today |
| 05:38.24 | guestish | voltagex_: well thats easy to fix |
| 05:38.26 | IceDC571 | so I dont know.. im just wondering if someone got the ATI drivers to work under the 2.6.7 kernel |
| 05:38.34 | guestish | voltagex_: touch /etc/init.d/sendmail |
| 05:38.37 | guestish | voltagex_: then try again |
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| 05:38.56 | IceDC571 | as I'm reading the guides and it says 2.4 and 2.6.. but then in 2.6.7 they change the code a bit.. again heh |
| 05:39.02 | guestish | voltagex_: that means the package was bad, or you corrupted it, and its not uninstalling correctly |
| 05:39.05 | guestish | nothing to do with dependencies |
| 05:39.16 | guestish | !bitchslap voltagex_ |
| 05:39.21 | IceDC571 | i wish i could just apt-get install ati-drivers |
| 05:39.24 | guestish | <voltagex> you're going to kill me but I removed ../init.d/sendmail to stop it starting up |
| 05:39.37 | guestish | anyone have a knife handy? =P |
| 05:39.44 | exobyte_ | is there a util that can extract an icon out of an exe that gnome can use? |
| 05:40.21 | Guerin | !moron voltagex_ |
| 05:40.22 | dpkg | voltagex_: You are moron #38 |
| 05:40.34 | Malthus | ha ha |
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| 05:40.58 | IceDC571 | well i just want to know.. does anyone here have an ati card? /dpkg pls dont talk |
| 05:40.59 | Guerin | !qotd 25 is <reply><voltagex> you're going to kill me but I removed ../init.d/sendmail to stop it starting up |
| 05:40.59 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 05:41.04 | Guerin | damn |
| 05:41.11 | guestish | voltagex_: its trying to execurte /etc/init.d/sendmail to stop the service |
| 05:41.13 | Guerin | !forget qotd 25 |
| 05:41.13 | dpkg | i forgot qotd 25, Guerin |
| 05:41.14 | IceDC571 | i'll be happy to paypal someone if they walk me through an ati installation :) |
| 05:41.18 | Guerin | !qotd25 is <reply><voltagex> you're going to kill me but I removed ../init.d/sendmail to stop it starting up |
| 05:41.19 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 05:41.19 | guestish | voltagex_: just make it executable |
| 05:41.31 | mohohaha | how can i list the true type font list for x window |
| 05:41.55 | Guerin | voltagex_: NEVER ever ever fuck with init scripts unless you know EXACTLY what you're doing |
| 05:42.08 | IceDC571 | lol.. Guerin |
| 05:42.10 | voltagex_ | yes SIR |
| 05:42.11 | winHell | after doing "apt-get upgrade", "pon" is failing. and I'm getting this message in "messages": Jul 3 20:29:12 box kernel: ttyS: 1 input overrun(s) |
| 05:42.18 | guestish | Guerin: the whole story is that he was having problems with sendmail, so he simply removed the script, then the package wouldnt remove because of that |
| 05:42.31 | Guerin | voltagex_: and read man update-rc.d for instructions |
| 05:42.36 | Guerin | guestish: yeah, i figured |
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| 05:42.39 | guestish | Guerin: the prerm script couldnt stop sendmail becuase of the lack of the init.d script... |
| 05:42.44 | colonel_panic | hello |
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| 05:43.20 | Guerin | winHell: wtf is pon? |
| 05:43.46 | colonel_panik | where can I get help from a ninja? |
| 05:43.56 | guestish | voltagex_: lol, well at least you wont that mistake again (or at least admit it) ;) |
| 05:43.58 | colonel_panik | I did an apt-get upgrade a few days ago, and now xine won't run |
| 05:43.58 | winHell | Guerin: pon is the low-level command for dialup connection. |
| 05:43.58 | Guerin | colonel_panik: #ninjas |
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| 05:44.07 | colonel_panik | it crashes xf86 |
| 05:44.10 | httpdss | Guerin: pon dsl-provider.. poff |
| 05:44.21 | Guerin | winHell: ah. No idea then, sorry. Check the BTS, maybe? |
| 05:44.28 | colonel_panik | I run sarge |
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| 05:44.42 | voltagex_ | w00t all fixededed |
| 05:44.49 | guestish | voltagex_: =D |
| 05:44.52 | Guerin | !bts |
| 05:44.52 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 05:44.54 | colonel_panik | so |
| 05:44.58 | colonel_panik | anyone had that happen? |
| 05:44.58 | Guerin | colonel_panik: ^^ |
| 05:45.03 | httpdss | winHell: what was the prob ? |
| 05:45.18 | winHell | when you "check the BTS", do you just fill in the search box on "bugs.debian.org"? I never seem to get anything back. |
| 05:45.27 | voltagex_ | guestish: how do I send mail using postfix? |
| 05:45.34 | Guerin | bugs.debian.org/packagename |
| 05:45.35 | guestish | voltagex_: to what? |
| 05:45.45 | guestish | voltagex_: ok, is this a webserver? |
| 05:45.52 | Guerin | voltagex_: read the fucking doc, ask in #postfix |
| 05:45.57 | voltagex_ | ok |
| 05:46.01 | winHell | httpdss: the connection doesn't get made. the modem makes its usual noise but then the connection just finish. |
| 05:46.12 | Guerin | voltagex_: but I believe from your previous behavior that you're too fucking stupid to run a MTA |
| 05:46.16 | guestish | voltagex_: actually yeah, just do what guerin says |
| 05:46.23 | guestish | Guerin: everyone has to learn somehow |
| 05:46.26 | voltagex_ | man postfix says to use the sendmail command but that doesn't work |
| 05:46.26 | winHell | httpdss: /just finish/doesn't finish/ |
| 05:46.31 | guestish | Guerin: at least he didnt bork his system |
| 05:46.33 | Guerin | guestish: I know, I know. |
| 05:46.50 | voltagex_ | I am sorry for being a stupid fucking n00b |
| 05:46.59 | colonel_panik | no love? |
| 05:47.03 | guestish | voltagex_: thats life ;) |
| 05:47.17 | Malthus | voltagex_ : what are you trying to do with postfix? |
| 05:47.19 | guestish | voltagex_: ask in #postfix, its the best place to ask these questions |
| 05:47.20 | httpdss | winHell: it goes on and on with that horrible sound ?? |
| 05:47.38 | Guerin | voltagex_: it's not that you're a n00b - it's that you're stupid. Being a n00b is a function of time. Being stupid is a function of effort. |
| 05:47.49 | winHell | httpdss: no, the sound is the usual sound. I can't detect any difference. |
| 05:48.01 | guestish | Guerin: i'd say he was just a noob |
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| 05:48.18 | Malthus | Guerin : no pork today? |
| 05:48.25 | colonel_panik | is there any way to undo an apt-get upgrade? |
| 05:48.29 | httpdss | winHell: but does the sound stop, or it goes on and on ? |
| 05:48.32 | guestish | Guerin: and like all noobs made stupid mistakes, and doesnt know how to ask a question with proper information |
| 05:48.33 | colonel_panik | at least for x-window-system? |
| 05:48.34 | Guerin | guestish: no, deleting a script because you ddon't want it to run at boot time is stupid by definition |
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| 05:49.00 | colonel_panik | Guerin: that's more of a n00b thing |
| 05:49.00 | guestish | Guerin: but he did it out of ignorance, not intentionally |
| 05:49.07 | Guerin | Malthus: no, no pork. Why? |
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| 05:49.42 | Guerin | I disagree. If something on your car starts ratlling, do you just rip it out? |
| 05:49.44 | Malthus | pork is a tranquilizer :) |
| 05:49.46 | Guerin | rattling |
| 05:49.50 | winHell | httpdss: the sound stops at correct time (or seems to). the sound stops at the same time as this Win98 connect I'm now on. |
| 05:49.53 | guestish | Guerin: some people would :) |
| 05:49.55 | CompWizrd | Guerin: yes. :P |
| 05:49.57 | Guerin | Malthus: hrm, that's interesting. Got a link? |
| 05:49.59 | Malthus | rip it off ! |
| 05:50.10 | httpdss | winHell: paste your config somewhere (not here) ... so i can check it out |
| 05:50.12 | Malthus | my dam muffler |
| 05:50.14 | colonel_panik | Guerin: depends on what's rattling? |
| 05:50.14 | CompWizrd | last piece of code i had to fix, i removed all the chunks of code that had bugs. program ran better after :P |
| 05:50.16 | Guerin | then they deserve what they get |
| 05:50.26 | colonel_panik | anyway |
| 05:50.30 | guestish | Guerin: to each their own |
| 05:50.31 | Guerin | colonel_panik: and if you don't understand what that part does, what would you do? |
| 05:50.40 | httpdss | winHell: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 05:50.40 | colonel_panik | Guerin: leave it alone |
| 05:50.45 | colonel_panik | anyway |
| 05:50.48 | Guerin | colonel_panik: or ask someone. |
| 05:50.51 | colonel_panik | what's the channel to get help? |
| 05:50.54 | guestish | frusteration can make people make rash decisions |
| 05:50.59 | guestish | colonel_panik: lol, right her |
| 05:51.00 | colonel_panik | because I need some help right about now |
| 05:51.10 | colonel_panik | I did an apt-get upgrade |
| 05:51.11 | guestish | colonel_panik: though some of us are elistist as you can see :) |
| 05:51.24 | colonel_panik | one of the things it upgraded was x-window-system |
| 05:51.27 | guestish | elitist |
| 05:51.31 | bl0tt0 | can someone please help me get ALSA running on my powerbook? I installed from the test candidate installer just out, and jumped up to 2.6 |
| 05:51.34 | httpdss | winHell: try to get the ifconfig result too |
| 05:51.37 | guestish | colonel_panik: a meta package, sure |
| 05:51.39 | colonel_panik | and now xine crashes X |
| 05:51.43 | Guerin | colonel_panik: check the BTS for xine issues and xfree. |
| 05:51.54 | Guerin | colonel_panik: what branch of debian? |
| 05:52.06 | guestish | bl0tt0: custom kernel? |
| 05:52.35 | Spark | ok when trying to insert the realtime module after compiling it i get: |
| 05:52.36 | Spark | Loading Realtime Module: realtimeNo module found in object |
| 05:52.36 | Spark | FATAL: Error inserting realtime (/lib/modules/2.6.6/kernel/security/realtime.ko): Invalid module format |
| 05:52.42 | winHell | httpdss: where is the config file? it was a year since I last did the config and I think I had used "pppconfig". |
| 05:52.44 | Guerin | guestish: I'm not elitist, except in that I expect people to not randomly delete things they don't understand. |
| 05:53.04 | guestish | Guerin: then you are living in a fantasy world, because most problems are created that way |
| 05:53.10 | colonel_panik | Guerin: I run sarge on kern 2.4.25-i686 |
| 05:53.17 | bl0tt0 | guestish: yup, I've got alsa compiled as a module |
| 05:53.25 | guestish | bl0tt0: multiple modules |
| 05:53.26 | voltagex_ | Guerin: b..b..but rm is fun! |
| 05:53.29 | voltagex_ | j/k |
| 05:53.41 | winHell | httpdss: is the file /etc/chatscripts/provider ? (I'm on Win98 at the moment so I can't look at my files.) |
| 05:53.49 | colonel_panik | once I accidentally deleted /usr/lib |
| 05:53.54 | jonathan__ | alright heres a silly question that hopefully will get a good answer, is there really anyreason not to use a stock kernel other than to add support for hardware... i mean besides adding newer hardware support is there really a good reason to go with a custom kernel? |
| 05:53.55 | bl0tt0 | I think OSS is still loading, but I don't know how to fix it |
| 05:53.55 | colonel_panik | that was a while ago though |
| 05:53.56 | colonel_panik | funny |
| 05:53.57 | Guerin | guestish: that doesn't mean I live in a fantasy world - I know it happens, I just consider it stupid. I don't like stupid people very much. |
| 05:53.59 | Spark | any idea what that might be all about |
| 05:54.04 | httpdss | winHell: nope ... |
| 05:54.23 | Spark | "no module found in object" |
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| 05:54.27 | voltagex_ | ok I'm going to downgrade to testing now |
| 05:54.30 | guestish | Guerin: well then why are you in a tech support channel? |
| 05:54.36 | Guerin | colonel_panik: did xine upgrade, or only xfree? |
| 05:54.36 | jorge_ | hi |
| 05:54.41 | httpdss | winHell: i could posibly be at /etc/ppp/..... |
| 05:54.42 | guestish | bl0tt0: alright, how proficent are you in module loading? |
| 05:54.46 | Guerin | guestish: I'm not, I'm in a debian channel. |
| 05:54.52 | guestish | Guerin: heh |
| 05:54.53 | colonel_panik | I don't know if xine upgraded or not |
| 05:54.59 | exobyte | guestish: I got it basically working. It would be nice to find a no-cd crack |
| 05:55.04 | Guerin | colonel_panik: ok. Checked the BTS yet? |
| 05:55.08 | colonel_panik | yeah |
| 05:55.11 | winHell | httpdss: hmm, I have /etc/ppp/pap-secrets is some old notes |
| 05:55.11 | guestish | exobyte: this is NOT a warez channel |
| 05:55.12 | bl0tt0 | guestish: in 2.6, not very, but I can learn |
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| 05:55.20 | Malthus | jonathan__: the stock kernels are pretty good, its not usually worth the effort |
| 05:55.25 | colonel_panik | someone had the problem, but I don't see a reply |
| 05:55.28 | guestish | bl0tt0: so is it a custom kernel? |
| 05:55.35 | colonel_panik | at least not one that will help |
| 05:55.35 | droopy | I can't get hotplug to blacklist my oss driver...Am I the only one?? |
| 05:55.40 | voltagex_ | does anyone know the address for the optus debian mirror? |
| 05:55.44 | bl0tt0 | guestish: yes |
| 05:55.53 | guestish | bl0tt0: have you checked the volume levels? |
| 05:56.08 | exobyte | guestish: I never said it was |
| 05:56.10 | httpdss | winHell: that one of them, but dont need that one .. |
| 05:56.19 | bl0tt0 | guestish: I see snd_mixer_oss when I run lsmod, so that's why I figure OSS is in the way |
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| 05:56.23 | guestish | exobyte: then dont mention cracks, warez, pirating, or anything of the sort |
| 05:56.25 | jonathan__ | Malthus, k thx. I didn't think it would make much of a difference. |
| 05:56.27 | Guerin | colonel_panik: ah. That means someone is working on it, I guess. maybe try xine with verbosity and debugging on, and strace, to see if you can figure out what's killing it. |
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| 05:56.32 | guestish | bl0tt0: thats alsa's oss emulation layer |
| 05:56.38 | exobyte | guestish: but everyone knows games under wine have issues with copy protection |
| 05:56.41 | Spark | has anyone got realtime.ko up and running? |
| 05:56.48 | guestish | exobyte: sure, thats what winex is for |
| 05:56.54 | Guerin | colonel_panik: try with mplayer, too, and maybe one of the xine-frontends like totem or kaffeine, see if the behavior changes |
| 05:56.57 | winHell | any suggestions to read ext2/ext3 while in Windows98? google gives me some options but I'd like your recommendations |
| 05:57.02 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 05:57.02 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 05:57.12 | colonel_panik | Guerin: I did - x still crashes |
| 05:57.14 | exobyte | guestish: some people are cheap. Why won't wine merge winex code in |
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| 05:57.20 | guestish | exobyte: they do |
| 05:57.25 | Guerin | Spark: obviously the person who included it in the kernel source had it working |
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| 05:57.38 | guestish | exobyte: but winex licenses copyright decoding from the creators of the protection |
| 05:57.38 | Spark | i'm addressing *this* channel though :) |
| 05:57.42 | guestish | exobyte: closed source |
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| 05:57.51 | bl0tt0 | guestish: ok, so how do I check volume levels |
| 05:57.56 | guestish | bl0tt0: alsamixer |
| 05:58.00 | Guerin | colonel_panik: Including mplayer? |
| 05:58.02 | Spark | its a debian script that is showing the error after all |
| 05:58.28 | bl0tt0 | guestish: No, that's not the problem, ALSA fails to load at boot time |
| 05:58.29 | Guerin | Spark: what are you trying to do? What is this module supposed to do? |
| 05:58.34 | guestish | bl0tt0: the domain? |
| 05:58.36 | winHell | I see that FSDEXT2 will read ext2 for Win95 and ext2fsd is for Windows nt/2k/xp. but which is right for Win98? |
| 05:58.40 | jonathan__ | im dl the two sarge dvd iso's, on the second dvd now with 4259 files left to go... hopefully i can play with it in the morning |
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| 05:58.50 | exobyte | guestish: but the actual winex code is os. Is wine GPLed? |
| 05:58.54 | colonel_panik | Guerin: I don't have mplayer installed, I'm installing it now |
| 05:59.02 | Guerin | winHell: the 98 version, unless there's a differetn app for it |
| 05:59.03 | guestish | exobyte: yup, so is winex |
| 05:59.09 | exobyte | it has to be |
| 05:59.12 | colonel_panik | Guerin: but I already tried with kaffeine |
| 05:59.17 | Guerin | guestish: not all of it |
| 05:59.32 | Malthus | my dam muffler |
| 05:59.32 | Spark | its supposed to enable realtime support, its a security thing, it allows a root process to turn on realtime priviliges of another process |
| 05:59.33 | guestish | exobyte: all but the closed source components under someone elses license |
| 05:59.39 | Guerin | guestish: there are chunks of winex which are proprietary and closed, IIRC |
| 05:59.40 | Spark | its used by jack to get better realtime performance |
| 05:59.43 | bl0tt0 | guestish: what is the domain? |
| 05:59.48 | Spark | Guerin: thats all i know about it unfortunately |
| 05:59.52 | guestish | Guerin: i think its cause of the NDA |
| 05:59.59 | guestish | bl0tt0: sorry, i ment daemon |
| 05:59.59 | colonel_panik | if my connection goes kaput, it's because x crashed :) |
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| 06:00.07 | guestish | bl0tt0: /etc/init.d/alsa |
| 06:00.10 | Guerin | Spark: that's pretty obscure. Try asking on debian-user or a kernel mailing list |
| 06:00.15 | guestish | Guerin: dunno though |
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| 06:00.26 | Guerin | guestish: bound to be something like that |
| 06:00.26 | exobyte | guestish: well- the warez scene always takes care of us |
| 06:00.39 | fudje | Hey. |
| 06:00.48 | bl0tt0 | guestish: what do I check there? |
| 06:00.51 | colonel_panik | mplayer will not start |
| 06:01.04 | Guerin | exobyte: fuck off to a #l33t-k1dd13z |
| 06:01.05 | colonel_panik | it doesn't crash xf86, but it doesn't start at all |
| 06:01.06 | guestish | bl0tt0: im asking if the daemon isnt starting correctly |
| 06:01.14 | colonel_panik | the icon just bounces, so to speak |
| 06:01.19 | bl0tt0 | guestish: yes, that's right |
| 06:01.24 | guestish | bl0tt0: alright |
| 06:01.33 | exobyte | Guerin: when there's #pr0n ??? |
| 06:01.40 | guestish | bl0tt0: well beasts me, im no good at solving issues like that |
| 06:01.44 | guestish | beats* |
| 06:01.53 | guestish | bl0tt0: other people here |
| 06:01.56 | fudje | Does anyone know what I might be able to do in order to get rid of a hald process that's in a Disk sleep state? |
| 06:02.03 | Guerin | colonel_panik: ok, to debug these things, you need to start from the command line, something like xine foo.avi 2>&1 >> xine.log |
| 06:02.12 | colonel_panik | anyone else wanna help? |
| 06:02.12 | fudje | Has anyone else had this problem? |
| 06:02.13 | Guerin | colonel_panik: and check your xfree logs as well |
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| 06:02.40 | httpdss | winHell: why dont you config it again ?? |
| 06:03.21 | Godot | could someone help me with this problem? <http://carsonbaker.org/problem.txt> |
| 06:03.52 | bl0tt0 | guestish: does it help to tell you that when I run alsactl restore i get error message "alsactl: load_state:1134: No soundcards found..." |
| 06:04.13 | winHell | httpdss: yeah, I think running "pppconfig" might be the right way. I ran "pppconfig" but it didn't seem to recongnize ttyS2 like it did last time. and I just didn't want to wipe out the files in case something bad happened. |
| 06:04.14 | guestish | that usually means that you havent loaded a soundcard driver... |
| 06:04.19 | Spark | Guerin: this is really fucked up, just compiled it by typing make in the directory and it works fine, and: |
| 06:04.19 | guestish | i mean module |
| 06:04.22 | Spark | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 244793 2004-07-04 06:44 /lib/modules/2.6.6/kernel/security/realtime.ko |
| 06:04.25 | Spark | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 292839 2004-07-04 07:03 realtime.ko |
| 06:04.46 | bl0tt0 | OK, so I assume I need to do something with modprobe, but what? |
| 06:04.48 | Guerin | Godot: ask in #apache, I guess |
| 06:04.57 | Godot | thans |
| 06:05.00 | guestish | bl0tt0: well, you dont have the proper module for your soundcard |
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| 06:05.21 | bl0tt0 | How do I get it right? |
| 06:05.24 | guestish | bl0tt0: apt-get install alsa-source, extract the bz2 in /usr/src, then make-kpkg modules_image in your kernel source directory |
| 06:05.34 | httpdss | winHell: maybe you have the wrong port ... did you try the other ?? |
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| 06:05.50 | fudje | OK, well I'm going afk for a little while, so if anyone has any ideas, please memo me :) (Assuming you know how to use MemoServ) |
| 06:05.51 | Guerin | Spark: I guess the module didn't compile correctly, then. Ask a kernel geek, I have NFI. |
| 06:05.54 | bl0tt0 | I've tried that too, and it doesn't work right |
| 06:05.55 | httpdss | winHell: /other/others |
| 06:06.32 | Nemesis__ | fudje... |
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| 06:07.00 | bl0tt0 | guestish: when I run alsaconf, it detects the powermac card |
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| 06:07.21 | guestish | bl0tt0: like i said, i really dont know |
| 06:07.27 | guestish | im making educated guesses |
| 06:07.33 | winHell | httpdss: yeah, I ran through all the ports. only ttyS2 did anything. and my previous notes from the original config said ttyS2. |
| 06:07.39 | velan | is there a way to show a table of contents in man like info does? |
| 06:07.47 | bl0tt0 | guestish: I definitely appreciate it |
| 06:08.26 | httpdss | winHell: do you remember or have the output of ifconfig after doing pon |
| 06:08.33 | guestish | bl0tt0: i *think* its cause you didnt include the module when you compiled the kernel |
| 06:09.26 | winHell | httpdss: I don't have the ifconfig output just now. I do remember doing a "grep ppp" on it and there wasn't any matches. |
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| 06:09.50 | bl0tt0 | I had it working with an earlier installation, and I'm using the same config, I think it has something to do with the cadidate installation |
| 06:10.08 | guestish | candidate installation? |
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| 06:10.35 | zignig | bleh |
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| 06:11.25 | colonel_panik | okay |
| 06:11.32 | colonel_panik | here's the error I get from my xf86 log: |
| 06:11.44 | colonel_panik | "An Unresolved Function was called!" |
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| 06:13.08 | colonel_panik | I run verion 4.3.0.1 |
| 06:13.59 | ircleuser | test |
| 06:14.12 | streuner | failed |
| 06:14.13 | guestish | oh, installed from sarge |
| 06:14.15 | guestish | beats me |
| 06:14.22 | bl0tt0 | guestish: it was a woody installation I upgraded to testing |
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| 06:14.33 | ircleuser | hi all, what is the page for the new evil.c patched kernels. Is it a big problem. should I be scared |
| 06:14.41 | guestish | bl0tt0: mess around with it and google to see if you can fix it |
| 06:14.54 | bl0tt0 | I've been searching |
| 06:15.05 | bl0tt0 | I came here after not finding much |
| 06:15.08 | guestish | maybe your card is unsupported |
| 06:15.28 | guestish | check the alsa homepage |
| 06:15.55 | colonel_panik | hrm |
| 06:16.02 | ircleuser | anybody know about the evil.c thing? where are the patches for it? |
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| 06:16.12 | bl0tt0 | guestish: the card is definitely supported, it worked with the keywest driver |
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| 06:16.50 | ircleuser | is this the debian chat room? |
| 06:16.57 | guestish | bl0tt0: supporte by alsa? |
| 06:17.02 | guestish | !topicsmite ircleuser |
| 06:17.03 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ircleuser. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 06:17.15 | bl0tt0 | guestish: yep |
| 06:17.25 | bl0tt0 | It definitely worked before |
| 06:17.28 | guestish | bl0tt0: and you are sure the correct module is probed? |
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| 06:17.54 | bl0tt0 | guestish: no, but I don't know how to check |
| 06:18.13 | guestish | bl0tt0: check modconf |
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| 06:19.03 | fudje | Nemesis__: What are you doing in *here*? |
| 06:19.08 | colonel_panik | bbiam |
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| 06:19.18 | Nemesis__ | fudje: i'm the smarteiffel package maintainer now :P |
| 06:19.31 | fudje | Eww. |
| 06:19.33 | Nemesis__ | fudje: that and I can't get my debian ppc to boot properly for the life of me |
| 06:19.53 | Nemesis__ | stoopid open firmware |
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| 06:20.17 | ircleuser | hi all.. is this the debian chat help room? |
| 06:20.23 | Guerin | !room |
| 06:20.23 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 06:20.44 | fudje | Who cares? |
| 06:20.47 | colonel_panik | heh |
| 06:20.55 | colonel_panik | haha |
| 06:20.56 | colonel_panik | okay |
| 06:21.01 | Guerin | fudje: I do. I am not alone. |
| 06:21.03 | ircleuser | aighty, what is the page that has the evil.c kenel patches and info? is it a real threat? should I patch the systems asap? |
| 06:21.04 | colonel_panik | that was silly |
| 06:21.09 | bl0tt0 | guestish: IT'S UP!!!!! |
| 06:21.16 | bl0tt0 | you rule! |
| 06:21.18 | guestish | bl0tt0: how'd you fix it? |
| 06:21.22 | Guerin | ircleuser: never heard of it |
| 06:21.23 | guestish | glad to help |
| 06:21.30 | Guerin | !win bl0tt0 |
| 06:21.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, bl0tt0! You have won the US presidency! |
| 06:21.45 | fudje | Yay! |
| 06:21.47 | Guerin | !beer guestish |
| 06:21.54 | ircleuser | Guerin YOU HAVE never heard of evil.c ???? |
| 06:21.55 | guestish | :) |
| 06:22.09 | bl0tt0 | Awesome! |
| 06:22.20 | guestish | so what'd you do? |
| 06:22.50 | bl0tt0 | I just installed modconf found the sound/ppc directory, and installed |
| 06:22.56 | guestish | ah, cool :) |
| 06:23.02 | ircleuser | anybody know where I can get the evil.c patches? |
| 06:23.07 | gregday | ha |
| 06:23.09 | bl0tt0 | that was so ridiculously easy, I feel like an idiot |
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| 06:23.18 | linux | hi |
| 06:23.22 | gregday | i kept reading "ircleuser" as "IRC Leuser" |
| 06:23.28 | linux | debian won't work |
| 06:23.34 | gregday | what is difference, rite? ;) |
| 06:23.38 | linux | x ;dsalhfdsh |
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| 06:23.51 | linux | sorry that was my cat |
| 06:24.00 | fudje | gregday: well that would be linguistically most appropriate. |
| 06:24.00 | ircleuser | gregday do you know about evil.c or do u just want to make fun of me at my time of need. |
| 06:24.07 | colonel_panik | hahahaha |
| 06:24.09 | Guerin | ircleuser: ah, not by that name |
| 06:24.09 | gregday | linux: i think bug reports require slightly more details :x |
| 06:24.16 | fudje | linux: what exactly won't work, that is the question. |
| 06:24.16 | guestish | bl0tt0: thats life ;) |
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| 06:24.25 | Guerin | ircleuser: new debian kernels are patched against it, I believe |
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| 06:24.26 | linux | x won't start |
| 06:24.29 | sillyfarthead | this better? |
| 06:24.40 | colonel_panik | yeah |
| 06:24.47 | gregday | time of need? you have need to root a gnu/linux box right now? |
| 06:24.52 | sillyfarthead | guerin ok so just apt-get install the latest kernel and it will be fine? |
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| 06:25.07 | Guerin | sillyfarthead: if you give out shells to people you can't physically hurt if they dos your box, you're silly indeed |
| 06:25.14 | sillyfarthead | gregday I have over 15 machines that people have ftp and shell access to .. |
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| 06:25.17 | bl0tt0 | Well, thanks a lot, you rule |
| 06:25.17 | Guerin | sillyfarthead: I expect so, but I haven't verified this |
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| 06:25.31 | sillyfarthead | and if they can do their evil.c thing and crash it my company will not b happy. |
| 06:25.45 | Nanobot2k | does anyone know where your best uptime stats are stored at? |
| 06:25.48 | fudje | linux: why not? |
| 06:25.48 | Guerin | gregday: I think he wants the kernel patch to stop this sploit |
| 06:25.54 | Nanobot2k | like the longest ur box has been up? |
| 06:26.00 | sillyfarthead | ok well u guys have been great. |
| 06:26.07 | sillyfarthead | thanks for all the help. |
| 06:26.07 | Spark | ah i figured it out |
| 06:26.10 | guestish | well im off |
| 06:26.12 | guestish | night all |
| 06:26.12 | Guerin | Nanobot2k: netcraft uptime project |
| 06:26.14 | Spark | theres two realtime packages with different names |
| 06:26.18 | Guerin | guestish: g'night |
| 06:26.23 | Spark | one of them is totally ancient (the one i was trying) |
| 06:26.25 | Nanobot2k | ok |
| 06:26.26 | Nanobot2k | thanks |
| 06:26.28 | Spark | the other one is called realtime-lsm |
| 06:26.38 | Guerin | !ur |
| 06:26.39 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish forclock, closely related to english hour, and and a swedish word meaning "from within". |
| 06:27.35 | Guerin | !ur =~ s/"from within"./"from within". Moses was a prince of Ur./ |
| 06:27.35 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 06:28.04 | fudje | Stop reminding me of Terry Pratchett lines I can't remember! |
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| 06:30.43 | jorge_ | does anybody know some tutorial on tcpdump???? |
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| 06:32.08 | fudje | 'man tcpdump' is pretty useful.... Has examples and everything.... |
| 06:32.52 | gregday | hm. just can't decide if one optical drive (dvd r/rw) is enough for this machine |
| 06:33.08 | gregday | does anyone find it useful to have a dvd burner *and* a cd burner, for any reason? |
| 06:33.35 | Tezkah | in case you cant get one to work? |
| 06:33.42 | Tezkah | but a DVD burner can burn CDs |
| 06:33.51 | gregday | yeah i know |
| 06:33.57 | Tezkah | shouldn't need one |
| 06:34.09 | gregday | but i think the cd burn speed is lower than what the avg cdrw can do nowadays |
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| 06:34.46 | gregday | i think im gonna put in 2x 200GB SATA drives |
| 06:35.02 | Tezkah | nice |
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| 06:35.14 | nailbiter | Tezkah: no floppy or cd-rom? how come? :) |
| 06:35.25 | fudje | I need a 'stake' command. |
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| 06:35.53 | Tezkah | nailbiter: just a DVD-RW :) |
| 06:36.00 | Tezkah | I do hate floppies. |
| 06:36.01 | gregday | s/does/doesnt/ |
| 06:36.10 | gregday | USB keydrives have all but replaced them |
| 06:36.12 | Tezkah | I was screwing around with some partitioning junk on this old machine |
| 06:36.13 | IceDC571 | okay i have the following error when trying to install ATI drivers on debian.. XFree86 drm includes at /lib/modules/2.6.7-1-686/build/include/../drivers/char/drm do not fit this driver. |
| 06:36.21 | Tezkah | "Please insert 4 formatted floppies" |
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