| 00:00.01 | karsten | esop: It does. |
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| 00:00.21 | esop | sure... just struck me as funny. |
| 00:00.44 | RichiH | the site even has an easter egg :) |
| 00:00.58 | karsten | esop: Fancy that. |
| 00:01.07 | karsten | RichiH: You don'tmrburnssay.! |
| 00:01.33 | RichiH | karsten: i am too tired to grok that |
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| 00:03.02 | karsten | RichiH: That's the easter egg. |
| 00:03.34 | karsten | RichiH: www.mrburns.nl. |
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| 00:04.03 | RichiH | karsten: don't forget the email page |
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| 00:05.01 | karsten | RichiH: ?? |
| 00:05.17 | RichiH | karsten: read the html source |
| 00:05.30 | RichiH | it's in the comments at the bottom of the page |
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| 00:05.33 | tipid | hey hey all |
| 00:05.51 | pingouiin | i've tried to install&use an slackware today.. |
| 00:05.55 | pingouiin | not a success :/ |
| 00:06.01 | pingouiin | apt- is really missing |
| 00:06.13 | pingouiin | i feel frustrating.... |
| 00:06.24 | tipid | where do i find the file that changes the window manger for x? when i startx it goes to kde when i want gnome |
| 00:06.41 | Blissex | pingouiin: Slackware has APT, called 'salpt-get'. They also have something similar called 'swaret'. |
| 00:06.43 | karsten | pingouiin: debian != slackware |
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| 00:06.48 | thomas_adam | !tell tipid about xsession |
| 00:06.57 | Blissex | tipid: /etc/X11/default-window-manager' |
| 00:07.00 | thomas_adam | tipid: pay attention to the HTML link listed there. |
| 00:07.13 | tipid | Blissex thomas_adam awesome thanks |
| 00:07.17 | pingouiin | karsten, yeah....i only know debian....wished to try something else |
| 00:07.31 | looksaus | !STFW |
| 00:07.32 | dpkg | somebody said stfw was http://google.com/ http://google.com/linux, or search the fucking web AND read http://www.google.com/help/index.html AND go to http://groups.google.com/, or see http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif Google is your God: http://www.google.com/, or google.com, and groups.google.com, and tdlp.org. |
| 00:07.45 | karsten | pingouiin: In the name of $DEITY, why? ;-) |
| 00:07.48 | thomas_adam | Blissex: No, that's wrong. You're thinking of 'update-alternatives' probably, and even then that's not per user. |
| 00:08.07 | pingouiin | karsten, dont blame me man ;) |
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| 00:08.25 | Blissex | tipid: oops, slight memory error, the file is '/etc/X11/default-display-manager' |
| 00:08.28 | karsten | RichiH: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=foo+bar |
| 00:08.47 | looksaus | hm, for clarity: I was just looking at whatever was behind this abbreviation |
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| 00:09.14 | Blissex | tipid: oops, again, I had misread your query, you were asking about desktop environment, not display manager. |
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| 00:09.31 | bonez39 | apt: alt-tab switching |
| 00:09.32 | apt | bonez39: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 00:09.33 | looksaus | the wording of this stfw thing will probably offend quite a few people |
| 00:09.39 | _rene_ | why not just use gdm and choose? ;) |
| 00:09.55 | term1 | Does anyone know what would cause bind to be at 99.5% CPU usage? |
| 00:10.00 | tipid | Blissex yeah i'm sorry i'm getting the "terminaology" down |
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| 00:10.28 | _rene_ | tipid: why don't you just install gdm/xdm/kdm and choose your desktop environment/wm there? |
| 00:10.39 | _rene_ | tipid: easy and comfortable workaround ;) |
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| 00:10.51 | looksaus | if you run it from startx, it's done in .xinitrc |
| 00:10.51 | harlequin | i just install cyrus-imap but i cant login it says invalid user how do i add users? |
| 00:11.05 | Blissex | tipid: no, that was my mistake.... As to desktop environment/window manager, it depends on how you start X. |
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| 00:11.32 | Blissex | tipid: check the manual page for 'xinit' for example. |
| 00:11.46 | tipid | in the .xinitrc what do i need to put in for gnome? |
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| 00:12.45 | Blissex | tipid: 'gnome-session' |
| 00:13.02 | tipid | Blissex with a "&"? |
| 00:13.13 | thomas_adam | tipid: no exec gnome-session |
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| 00:13.21 | thomas_adam | tipid: (see the link again, which summarises it) |
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| 00:13.31 | tipid | thomas_adam k thanks |
| 00:13.40 | thomas_adam | tipid: Read it, yes? :) |
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| 00:14.26 | tipid | thomas_adam just about too |
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| 00:15.21 | spike32 | How do I disable the screen from blanking |
| 00:15.47 | karsten | spike32: X or console? |
| 00:15.57 | karsten | spike32: xscreensaver or tset, respectively. Or xset. |
| 00:16.00 | arpa- | i've installed kernel 2.6.7 and when i try installing modules using modconf i get an error msg about missing a file /etc/modprobe.conf how can i fix it? |
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| 00:16.52 | spike32 | karsten, X but without xscreensaver running, its the same as console |
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| 00:16.56 | Blissex | arpa-: thats really a FAQ. However 'depmod' |
| 00:17.12 | arpa- | Blissex: running depmod will fix everything ? |
| 00:17.12 | deadcat | spike32: xset s 0 ; xset -dmps |
| 00:17.31 | karsten | spike32: Possibly BIOS settings. |
| 00:17.36 | OhMyAchinLap | debian stable has no support for ext3 or reiser, correct? |
| 00:17.37 | karsten | !screen blanking |
| 00:17.38 | dpkg | i heard screen blanking is you can control screen blanking in console via tset (and/or your BIOS powersave settings), and in X via xset, xscreensaver, or your desktop environment's screensaver controls. |
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| 00:18.09 | _rene_ | OhMyAchinLap: err? it has |
| 00:18.11 | deadcat | OhMyAchinLap: yes it does. |
| 00:18.20 | _rene_ | OhMyAchinLap: the 2.4 kernels in stable that is |
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| 00:18.35 | OhMyAchinLap | heh, yeah my stable isntall used the 2.2 kernel |
| 00:18.38 | spike32 | When the screen blanks it starts blurring and rolling. In GDM it blanks |
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| 00:18.49 | OhMyAchinLap | so, i'm going to need to upgrade the kernel |
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| 00:19.31 | deadcat | OhMyAchinLap: stable == woody right?? |
| 00:19.51 | _rene_ | yes |
| 00:19.52 | Blissex | arpa-: "everything" is a bit too strong. It will create the dependency file. But do you have the right module utils? 2.6.x kernels require a different version from 2.4.x kernels. |
| 00:19.59 | OhMyAchinLap | deadcat, yup |
| 00:20.18 | Blissex | arpa-: please read the module system HOWTO and the docs on how to switch to a 2.6.x system. |
| 00:20.28 | arpa- | Blissex: k, thanks |
| 00:20.31 | deadcat | OhMyAchinLap: i usually use bf24 during woody install. |
| 00:20.36 | OhMyAchinLap | its woody from a good 6-8 months ago however |
| 00:20.45 | spike32 | How can I disable it in GDM |
| 00:20.46 | OhMyAchinLap | deadcat, what is bf24? |
| 00:20.55 | tipid | if i want to apt-get something, how do i tell the version? |
| 00:20.59 | deadcat | OhMyAchinLap: bootfloppy24, uses 2.4 kernel. |
| 00:21.06 | tipid | of the software i want to install? |
| 00:21.10 | omac | OhMyAchinLap...upgrade to unstable....it's actually running quite well for me and it does use ext3. Before you do thoug what kind of hardware are you running? Do you have enough ram/hard diskspace? I used aptitude to do this on July 1st to go from sarge to unstable. no problems. |
| 00:21.23 | OhMyAchinLap | deadcat, ah i see. well i've already got it installed on this fileserver, so i guess i'll upgrade |
| 00:21.35 | _rene_ | OhMyAchinLap: just apt-get the new kernel-image |
| 00:21.41 | OhMyAchinLap | omac, its an old system. p1 200 with 64mb |
| 00:21.44 | deadcat | OhMyAchinLap: just install a new kernel then upgrade your fs |
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| 00:22.00 | tipid | and is there an "easy" way to update the kernel? |
| 00:22.00 | OhMyAchinLap | its got an 80GB drive though...im running it as a small fileserver |
| 00:22.14 | bonez39 | apt: networked chess |
| 00:22.15 | apt | bonez39: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 00:22.23 | deadcat | tipid: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 00:22.28 | bonez39 | apt: your pat answer for everything |
| 00:22.29 | apt | bonez39: i don't know |
| 00:22.31 | omac | iiiieeeya :) I'm not so sure. What about those busybox modules or opie stuff? |
| 00:22.52 | OhMyAchinLap | deadcat, yup, looks like thats what i'm doing. last time i did that, i tried grabbing a kernel the way i would in slackware. i only recently learned you can even apt the kernel ;) |
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| 00:23.09 | tipid | deadcat then how do i know which to install? |
| 00:23.11 | deadcat | OhMyAchinLap: amen to that. (= |
| 00:23.27 | deadcat | tipid: pick one you like and apt-get install kernel-image-blabhblahb |
| 00:23.44 | OhMyAchinLap | wonder how much trouble i'll have upgrading my boot partition from ext2 to ext3..or if i even should hm. |
| 00:23.45 | tipid | deadcat then change the yaboot? |
| 00:23.48 | tipid | .conf? |
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| 00:24.04 | Blissex | OhMyAchinLap: practically no trouble, just a single command. |
| 00:24.15 | OhMyAchinLap | Blissex, thats excellent news |
| 00:24.23 | deadcat | tipid: shit. i am not familiar with ppc, sorry. i was gonna get an ibook but this fucker wont sell it for a good price. )= |
| 00:24.29 | Blissex | OhMyAchinLap: and you should. Easiest to do from a rescue/live CD like Knoppix. |
| 00:24.50 | OhMyAchinLap | Blissex, yes i really felt i should as well |
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| 00:25.39 | omac | And yes changing to ext3 is worth it...there was a couple of times the power in my apartment when kaput and I reboot my machine and it was filechecking like crazy in ext2. Amazingly enough my brother accidentally turned of the main circuit recently and when I came back to restart my computer(ext3) no problems every was automatic. Wow! |
| 00:26.06 | _rene_ | OhMyAchinLap: you could run ext3 with woody without problems |
| 00:26.13 | _rene_ | err, i meant omac |
| 00:26.19 | _rene_ | no need to upgrade to unstable |
| 00:26.29 | OhMyAchinLap | yes, i run ext3 on most of my other machines. it really makes sense to run it on a fileserver too. |
| 00:26.36 | punkass | would anyone be able to give me a hand with nvidia drivers, ive install them all via deb packages, and can now modprobe nvidia, but they wont load when i try to startx |
| 00:26.50 | OhMyAchinLap | _rene_, thats actually helpful to me. confirming what i thought was true :) |
| 00:26.50 | sussudio | punkass: no. go to #nvidia. |
| 00:27.00 | punkass | ok thanks |
| 00:27.03 | deadcat | punkass: lsmod |
| 00:27.09 | deadcat | |grep nvidia |
| 00:27.13 | punkass | it shows up in lsmod |
| 00:27.19 | _rene_ | iirc you should *not* load the modules manually |
| 00:27.26 | _rene_ | iirc the startup tries to load them |
| 00:27.41 | _rene_ | but I can be wrong, I have a pure system here without that nvidia crap |
| 00:27.47 | omac | True....I was just recommending to get the latest and greatest because it seems ok for me....woody is adequate you're right |
| 00:28.30 | punkass | well i did a full reboot and X did not start and the error was it can not load nvidia |
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| 00:30.30 | _rene_ | you did install the glx module |
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| 00:30.41 | _rene_ | you did build the kernel module and installed it? |
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| 00:30.59 | punkass | yeah i build it and it all seemed to install fine |
| 00:31.00 | _rene_ | s/glx module/glx module?/ |
| 00:31.11 | _rene_ | what does it say *exactly*? |
| 00:31.12 | deadcat | punkass: dpkg-recondfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
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| 00:31.36 | deadcat | goodness, my dsl connection is REALLY unreliable lately. )= |
| 00:32.17 | punkass | rene where do u want me to run that? |
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| 00:33.01 | deadcat | punkass: if you follow the /usr/share/doc/nvidia doc, you can install the driver with no problem. it WORKS. |
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| 00:33.34 | punkass | well i followed the README.debian that came with it |
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| 00:34.54 | deadcat | punkass: http://deadcat.katzeye.com/index.php?SCREEN=display&FILE_DIR=debian&ID=deb.nvidia |
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| 00:35.25 | punkass | Sorry, but you do not have permission to view the page /index.php?SCREEN=display&FILE_DIR=debian&ID=deb.nvidia on this server |
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| 00:36.18 | mickeyks | the package i made from alsa-source will not install because i don't have /etc/alsa/modutils/1.0 |
| 00:36.24 | mickeyks | i don't know where to get it |
| 00:37.23 | mickeyks | according to the postinst script, it would also work if i had /usr/share/alsa-base/modules-snippet.conf |
| 00:38.15 | _rene_ | punkass: startx X and give me the *exact error* |
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| 00:39.11 | punkass | (II) LoadModule: "nvidia" |
| 00:39.11 | punkass | (WW) Warning, couldn't open module nvidia |
| 00:39.11 | punkass | (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia" |
| 00:39.11 | punkass | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 00:39.11 | punkass | (II) LoadModule: "mouse" |
| 00:39.12 | punkass | (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/input/mouse_drv.o |
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| 00:39.32 | punkass | Fatal server error: |
| 00:39.32 | _rene_ | did I say the channel or me? :) |
| 00:39.34 | punkass | no screens found |
| 00:39.40 | punkass | oops |
| 00:39.49 | punkass | doh |
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| 00:39.52 | cis001 | I have a problem. When I try update bash, I have error: "(...) /usr/sbin/add-shell: No such file or directory"? What have I to do? |
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| 00:39.59 | punkass | did u get it or did it cut it off? |
| 00:40.11 | _rene_ | it really looks that something is not really installed |
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| 00:40.17 | karsten | !tell punkass about #flood |
| 00:40.20 | _rene_ | check if nvidia-glx is installed properly |
| 00:40.21 | sussudio | !tell punkass about flood |
| 00:40.25 | laszlo | I am getting this error when using the debian install interface |
| 00:40.31 | laszlo | to partition the disk |
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| 00:40.48 | laszlo | "bad primary partition 2: partition ends after end-of-disk" |
| 00:40.59 | punkass | sorry...i gapped out..no more flooding from me |
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| 00:41.15 | laszlo | ring any bells? |
| 00:41.45 | bonez39 | any suggestions about a net based chess game...I want to play with someone remotely... |
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| 00:42.17 | punkass | but if i can modprobe nvidia..doesnt that mean its installed? |
| 00:42.23 | cis001 | Could somebody help me? Where can I find add-shell? |
| 00:42.30 | _rene_ | the kernel module, yes |
| 00:42.37 | punkass | ah |
| 00:42.43 | _rene_ | but that's only the first half of what you need |
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| 00:43.36 | laszlo | fdisk is also unable to read /dev/hda ... |
| 00:43.37 | karsten | !find |
| 00:43.53 | punkass | well am i embarrassed, after all that i had forgot to install nvidia-glx...what a dumbass |
| 00:44.03 | laszlo | this is a new system with XP on it. |
| 00:44.08 | karsten | !search |
| 00:44.08 | dpkg | search is, like, try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing> |
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| 00:44.18 | karsten | cis001: ^^ |
| 00:44.19 | wwardriver | [19:24:23] OpenFT: ft_openft.c:256(openft_start): Booya! OpenFT in the house! |
| 00:44.19 | wwardriver | [19:24:23] *** GIFT-ERROR: OpenFT: Unable to load OpenFT configuration: No such file or directory |
| 00:44.19 | wwardriver | [19:24:23] *** GIFT-FATAL: unable to start 'OpenFT', no idea why (hopefully the protocol provided some info) |
| 00:44.30 | wwardriver | whats up with that? I have OpenFT it just wont' ork |
| 00:44.46 | laszlo | and I did some resizing and made a few new partitions with bootitng (something like partition magic) |
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| 00:45.02 | zophyx | i would never use a program that said booya |
| 00:45.03 | deadcat | wwardriver: same here. never get to learn how gift work. i am using limewire heheh |
| 00:45.12 | sussudio | !tell wwardriver about flood |
| 00:45.40 | sussudio | wwardriver: also, RTFM. |
| 00:45.49 | wwardriver | I did... and it still won't work |
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| 00:46.18 | sussudio | wwardriver: the part where it says to run gift-setup |
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| 00:46.38 | punkass | thanks for yor help, _rene_ , cant believe i missed that.. |
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| 00:46.44 | punkass | that fixed it |
| 00:46.58 | laszlo | some recommend this as a fix: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hde bs=512 count=1 |
| 00:47.27 | laszlo | why hde? |
| 00:47.44 | Blissex | laszlo: most MS Windows/Linux partitioning problems can be fixed by using 'ms-sys' on the affected partitions. |
| 00:47.54 | mickeyks | fuck |
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| 00:49.09 | laszlo | dkgp ms-sys? |
| 00:49.15 | laszlo | dpkg ms-sys? |
| 00:49.20 | dpkg | laszlo: I give up, what is it? |
| 00:49.45 | laszlo | Blissex, is that something that can be done during the debian install, or something to do when running windows? |
| 00:49.50 | Blissex | laszlo: it is indeed the 'ms0sys' package. |
| 00:50.11 | Blissex | laszlo: depends on what you want to do and the problem is. |
| 00:50.15 | Blissex | laszlo: it is indeed the 'ms-sys' package. |
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| 00:50.30 | laszlo | with a hyphen, not a 0, then. |
| 00:50.36 | sciboy | >_< |
| 00:50.38 | laszlo | I guess. |
| 00:50.40 | maher | laszlo: what is your problem? |
| 00:50.50 | carrett | are ops required to be in the channel all the time or are they just that committed? |
| 00:50.54 | laszlo | Blissex, this is a new machine with XP on it. |
| 00:51.12 | maher | laszlo: the dd line writes zero over the hde boot block - that's probalby not what you want |
| 00:51.14 | laszlo | I have resized and added partitions for debian, but can't install. |
| 00:51.32 | maher | laszlo: what do you do - what goes wrong |
| 00:51.32 | laszlo | cfdisk and fdisk both say they can't read hda |
| 00:51.54 | laszlo | cfdisk error is as follows: |
| 00:52.05 | laszlo | "bad primary partition 2: partition ends after end-of-disk" |
| 00:52.08 | maher | laszlo: did hda have useful info on it? |
| 00:52.11 | Blissex | laszlo: as a rule, things from Linux work OK. It is Windows that has often problems with resized/moved partitions, because a control block in them does not get updated. 'ms-sys' updates it correctly. |
| 00:52.34 | laszlo | maher: the disk is functional; XP boots. |
| 00:52.35 | sussudio | hm it's quiet on bzflag. the USians must be busy burniating themselves and crap. |
| 00:52.43 | tipid | what do i need to put in my .xinitrc to start enlightenment? |
| 00:52.59 | carrett | tipid: englightenment |
| 00:53.05 | laszlo | Blissex, how can I use ms-sys? |
| 00:53.09 | maher | laszlo: ok - dunno |
| 00:53.18 | tipid | carrett exec enlightenment? |
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| 00:53.28 | carrett | tipid: actually, hold on. |
| 00:53.42 | Aphrum | I want to burn a copy of a game that is on a CD. What is the best way to do this in linux? |
| 00:53.54 | sussudio | Aphrum: go away |
| 00:54.00 | Blissex | laszlo: from what you say, it has nothing to do with your problem. You have problems from _linux_ not from windows. |
| 00:54.01 | laszlo | Blissex, that's a linux program. I'm still trying to install... :) |
| 00:54.09 | laszlo | yes |
| 00:54.10 | mwilson | Aphrum: No one is here to help you steal. |
| 00:54.15 | sciboy | What software do i need to access the news: protocol? |
| 00:54.21 | Blissex | laszlo: but it fixes _windows_ problems. |
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| 00:54.25 | sussudio | sciboy: stop being so lazy. |
| 00:54.31 | Blissex | sciboy: a newsreader, there are very many. |
| 00:54.37 | tipid | carrett k |
| 00:54.38 | helix | slrn rules |
| 00:54.54 | mwilson | helix: You and I think so much alike. :) |
| 00:54.58 | Blissex | mwilson: I try to make copies of ther game CDs that I buy simply because they get scratched pretty easily. |
| 00:55.03 | goodell | sciboy: you can use google groups if you want to read, or a newsreader like tin or slrn. (I also use slrn and love it) |
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| 00:55.05 | laszlo | Blissex, I see. thanks. |
| 00:55.11 | sussudio | helix: no setting fire to stuff for you in pagan rituals? |
| 00:55.13 | mwilson | Blissex: Of course you do. |
| 00:55.15 | carrett | tipid: yeah, just add enlightenment i think |
| 00:55.21 | helix | sussudio: no way, i'm scared of fireworks |
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| 00:55.36 | Blissex | laszlo: if you want help on your problem, you have to describe it better. |
| 00:55.39 | helix | mwilson: i need to hax0r the slrn colors though; they rather suck by default |
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| 00:56.00 | goodell | helix: that's not too hard to fix in your .slrnrc |
| 00:56.31 | goodell | helix: do you want a boilerplate? |
| 00:56.38 | laszlo | ok, this: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 |
| 00:56.42 | helix | goodell: yeah, it's just.. some days, the thought of looking at another config file makes me nauseous |
| 00:56.42 | tipid | carrett awesome i assume you use it, can you give me some advise on eyecandy etc? |
| 00:56.47 | laszlo | will wipe out the mbr made by XP |
| 00:56.52 | carrett | tipid: i don't |
| 00:56.53 | helix | figuring out which options i want etc... BLEH |
| 00:56.55 | carrett | tipid: sorry. |
| 00:57.01 | laszlo | so, I guess I'll go with that. |
| 00:57.05 | carrett | tipid: if you like eyecandy, try a de like gnome or kde |
| 00:57.09 | laszlo | and pray |
| 00:57.14 | tipid | carrett aww it's ok thanks anyway |
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| 00:57.29 | carrett | tipid: i only answered 'cause i know how .xinitrc works |
| 00:59.27 | sciboy | ... |
| 00:59.37 | sciboy | How do i know which news server to use? |
| 00:59.47 | helix | sciboy: most isp's offer one |
| 00:59.55 | sciboy | I am trying to grab a file from alt.binaries.nl |
| 01:00.08 | sciboy | Is that a news server? |
| 01:00.36 | Airox` | yeah |
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| 01:00.50 | mwilson | helix: I've not gotten into messing with slrn's colors yet... I want to make it match mutt. |
| 01:00.59 | sciboy | thanks, first time i have used news before :P |
| 01:01.03 | Airox` | howdo i see which thing is connected to IRQ7 ? |
| 01:01.13 | gdm- | Anyone happen to know how to regenerate the SSL certificates associated with a given package? (e.g. dovecot, sendmail) |
| 01:01.21 | laszlo | merde |
| 01:01.28 | sussudio | laszlo: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 01:01.30 | laszlo | don't do what I just suggested.... :( |
| 01:01.32 | helix | mwilson: yeah, that's what i'd like |
| 01:01.49 | helix | sussudio: do you have the portuguese version? |
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| 01:02.01 | sussudio | helix: that's texugo, isn't it? |
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| 01:02.16 | sussudio | !texugo helix |
| 01:02.16 | dpkg | helix: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
| 01:02.20 | mwilson | helix: Hm, is slrn broken for you at the moment. I've not read news in like a week or so. |
| 01:02.21 | helix | haha |
| 01:02.34 | helix | mwilson: oh, i haven't upgraded in like two months.. |
| 01:02.36 | sussudio | =:-B |
| 01:02.39 | helix | everything currently works on my system |
| 01:03.07 | helix | i have to download like 800mb of packages |
| 01:03.08 | helix | :| |
| 01:03.17 | mwilson | slrn: relocation error: slrn: undefined symbol: _SLChg_UCase_Lut |
| 01:03.21 | kyll | this question is a bit off-topic, but i was wondering if its possible to bruteforce sshd? |
| 01:03.21 | sciboy | what do i do with a link such as "news:<merffdCc.3061$rn1.331@okepread07>" |
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| 01:03.23 | mwilson | Hm, time to check BTS |
| 01:03.27 | helix | mwilson: which version? |
| 01:03.35 | Airox` | nobody knows ?? |
| 01:03.43 | Airox` | howdo i see which thing is connected to IRQ7 ? |
| 01:04.13 | sussudio | Airox`: je printer, eikel. |
| 01:04.32 | mwilson | helix: Ah, #257519 |
| 01:04.36 | helix | yeah, these colors do not rule |
| 01:04.42 | greycat | Airox`: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 01:04.51 | mwilson | Gods, why do the morons not see how easy that just was? |
| 01:05.28 | Airox` | ty greycat |
| 01:06.19 | helix | mwilson: what's the slrn equivalent of 'q' (like, if you're viewing a message in split-screen mode and you press 'q' to see the list of messages again) |
| 01:06.32 | mickeyks | i don't understand modules |
| 01:06.42 | mickeyks | nobody has to help me |
| 01:06.49 | mickeyks | i'm just putting it out there to make myself feel better |
| 01:06.55 | mickeyks | thank you for your time. |
| 01:07.06 | mwilson | mickeyks: Huh? |
| 01:07.26 | greycat | modules are what Linux users have to use because the Linux kernel doesn't Just Work out of the box. |
| 01:07.38 | Airox` | :) |
| 01:08.09 | greycat | so you try loading module A, and that fails, so you unload it and try module B, and that fails, so you unload it and re-load it with funky paramters, ... |
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| 01:08.55 | mwilson | helix: Do you mean 'h'? |
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| 01:09.04 | helix | mwilson: YES! |
| 01:09.11 | helix | muita obrigada :)) |
| 01:09.31 | helix | keyboards are magical |
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| 01:10.24 | mickeyks | so where are modules usually stored |
| 01:10.26 | Cuga | Hey i got a weird problem, anybody ever seen that after a fresh boot, when i try and startx it crashes out saying no screens found, but then i just startx again and it works like a charm... anybody have any idea what might be the deal? |
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| 01:10.36 | mickeyks | /var/lib/kernelname/? |
| 01:10.44 | greycat | mickeyks: you don't really need to know. You just "modprobe" them. |
| 01:10.47 | helix | Cuga: i've had that happen. i have no clue what causes it :) |
| 01:10.54 | sussudio | !modprobe mickeyks |
| 01:10.54 | dpkg | Warning!: module mickeyks will taint kernel (and pants) |
| 01:11.07 | helix | Cuga: it happened with the synaptics driver though |
| 01:11.22 | helix | so maybe it didn't get loaded properly the first time.. |
| 01:11.22 | Cuga | synaptics driver? |
| 01:11.24 | helix | that was my guess |
| 01:11.39 | helix | Cuga: this was on a laptop - the synaptics driver is for the touchpad mouse thingy |
| 01:12.11 | Cuga | i only load psaux mouse in my config |
| 01:13.18 | mickeyks | greycat: i have one that modprobe doesn't fine |
| 01:13.20 | mickeyks | find |
| 01:13.28 | mickeyks | either that, or as usual i'm fucking clueless |
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| 01:13.46 | mickeyks | i see it though |
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| 01:14.38 | mickeyks | it's right there in /lib/modules/2.6.6.062604/alsa/pci/snd-cmipci.ko |
| 01:14.49 | mickeyks | but modprobe snd-cmipci doesn't find the module |
| 01:14.52 | Airox` | Well in /proc/interrupts there is like ERR:77 |
| 01:14.56 | mickeyks | however |
| 01:14.58 | Airox` | this isn't right isn't it ? |
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| 01:15.13 | mickeyks | the module it says that it can't find is snd_cmipci (notice underscore instead of dash) |
| 01:15.20 | mickeyks | so maybe that's part of the problem, i dunno |
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| 01:15.53 | helix | is going to the store in pajama pants a fashion faux pas? |
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| 01:16.25 | mickeyks | not if you're a girl |
| 01:16.31 | mickeyks | and it's a holiday |
| 01:16.38 | RichiH | helix: that depends on the pants heavily |
| 01:16.38 | mwilson | I hate how slrn auto-subscribes you to new ng, though. |
| 01:16.39 | helix | hmm |
| 01:16.41 | mickeyks | and you wear rabbit slippers |
| 01:16.43 | The_Vulture | helix: as long as it's + ugg boots :) |
| 01:16.44 | Zap-W | anyone know a small app that will tell the external IP of a box doing NAT for me ? |
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| 01:16.54 | helix | RichiH: they're blue and have little red devil dudes all over them |
| 01:16.56 | helix | hey |
| 01:16.59 | helix | red white and blue actually |
| 01:17.28 | greycat | if you have stores open at 9:17 PM on July 4th in Florida, then I think you can wear just about anything in them |
| 01:17.34 | helix | mwilson: yeah |
| 01:17.41 | b0ef | I get a lot of hd io activity and I don't know what process that is responsible. During this hogging my system becomes slow. How can I view kernel read/write so I can spot the troubling process? |
| 01:17.46 | helix | mwilson: when you figure out how to make it stop, let me know :) |
| 01:18.07 | greycat | and not just any July 4th... but *Sunday* July 4th. |
| 01:18.10 | helix | i knew asking geeks for fashion advice would let me stay in my PJ's |
| 01:18.15 | mwilson | Oh, I'm sure there's a config option for it somewhere. |
| 01:18.15 | mickeyks | is it possible that due to some locales fuckup thing, modprobe is looking for _ when it should be looking for -? |
| 01:18.31 | RichiH | helix: if the fabric has the dynamic of an old sack, then it's a nono for sure |
| 01:18.40 | greycat | mickeyks: you have Issues. |
| 01:18.47 | RichiH | i can't put it into english words, butyouknowwhatimean :) |
| 01:18.48 | helix | RichiH: hmm.. |
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| 01:18.59 | Airox` | greycat: in cat /proc/interrupts there is like ERR:77, that means 77 errors ? |
| 01:19.02 | helix | RichiH: well, i think the pajamas are of that fabric persuasion |
| 01:19.23 | mickeyks | greycat: so what else is new |
| 01:19.40 | RichiH | helix: i would consider changing into different pants, then |
| 01:19.52 | mwilson | mickeyks: I wasn't paying attention... what fun are you having with modules? Sid's module-init-tools are currently broken again, maybe that's your problem. |
| 01:19.55 | helix | the strangers i see at the store can bite me |
| 01:20.11 | RichiH | helix: unless you want to cry out to the world that you are not playing by their rules and do not care about it either, that is |
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| 01:21.00 | mickeyks | mwilson: i'm in sarge |
| 01:21.13 | dan2 | helix: http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/dcc-tree/LICENSE <-- is that the BSD license? |
| 01:21.34 | karsten | helix: ...or lingerei |
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| 01:21.41 | karsten | s/ei/ie/ |
| 01:22.17 | mickeyks | mwilson: there is a module called snd-cmipci.ko. it doesn't show up in lsmod. modprobe does not find it. but i do have it. it's at /lib/modules/2.6.6.062604/alsa/pci/snd-cmipci.ko |
| 01:22.41 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: depmod -a and try again |
| 01:22.47 | mwilson | mickeyks: Does it appear in modules.dep? |
| 01:22.47 | RichiH | helix: so you were basically asking to start up a little discussion about the pros and cons of pajama pants in buybuy land to let us know that you will wear them no matter what, thus emphasising your general position towards non-geek humans to your fellow geek-tribe? |
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| 01:23.03 | mwilson | mickeyks: And is that the kernel you're running? |
| 01:23.29 | vladkao | RichiH: lol |
| 01:23.53 | mickeyks | mwilson: no, and yes |
| 01:24.05 | mwilson | mickeyks: Even after depmod -a ? |
| 01:24.10 | RichiH | vladkao: there is a reason why people ask me to look for the flaws in their ideas ;) |
| 01:24.14 | mickeyks | haven't tried depmod -a yet |
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| 01:24.33 | RichiH | (yes, this was a 'wow, look at my 1337 br41nz' kind of statement :) |
| 01:24.33 | sciboy | Damn, i need a password do access a news server? |
| 01:24.45 | sb_laptop | is there another way to purchase music throught the apple music store without using itunes |
| 01:24.45 | mwilson | sciboy: If your ISP requires one, sure. |
| 01:24.51 | mwilson | sb_laptop: No. |
| 01:24.55 | vladkao | RichiH: i don't see much flaws in the idea of feeling comfortably :) |
| 01:24.56 | mickeyks | mwilson: yes, after depmod -a, it is in modules.dep |
| 01:24.58 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: then do so, and it should be fine. |
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| 01:25.13 | RichiH | sb_laptop: there was a script to browse the music, some time back. not sure about the status. you could try search /. |
| 01:25.18 | sciboy | mwilson: unfortunately, its news-service.com which has the file i am trying to get. |
| 01:25.25 | sb_laptop | or any type of program that allows a linux/freebsd/what ever the fuck i want to run/ user to have a program with the same abiitlties as itunes ( I don't care about the burning shit I just want to buy music) |
| 01:25.39 | vladkao | RichiH: but you stated it in a... hm... nice way :) |
| 01:25.59 | skorpfox | lol, music from itunes. |
| 01:26.15 | maher | sb_laptop: do you have to buy music from apple? |
| 01:26.19 | Blissex | sb_laptop: AFAIK not really. They have some kind of DRM stuff in their app, and probably the license they have from the music companies requires that. |
| 01:26.26 | RichiH | vladkao: well, unless you are autistic, you care about how others view you, at some level. knowing that everybody stares at you will probably not make you more comfortable, even though your washed-out pants feel great on the skin |
| 01:26.36 | sciboy | mwilson: Too bad i don't have a credit card :( |
| 01:26.38 | helix | RichiH: no, i wasn't sure if it was improper or whatever |
| 01:26.39 | sb_laptop | if you guys took a look at apple.com you might see why I want to buy music |
| 01:26.52 | helix | RichiH: but the fact that it's sunday night and a holiday makes me think it's not improper |
| 01:26.57 | thomas_adam | sb_laptop: If you stopped demanding maybe we would care. |
| 01:27.07 | skorpfox | sb_laptop: Apple is still making apple IIe's right? |
| 01:27.19 | holycow | yes |
| 01:27.24 | thomas_adam | Moo. |
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| 01:27.27 | maher | helix: if you are a young lady it is fine to wear your pjs in public - i see people doing it on a regular basis |
| 01:27.29 | sb_laptop | thomas_adam, umm I don't think I'm demanding I think I'm asking. |
| 01:27.29 | holycow | oi! |
| 01:27.35 | wm | hey, i'm trying to get libc6 to install, and it's segfaulting, anything I can do? |
| 01:27.39 | helix | maher: you live in a university city |
| 01:27.43 | thomas_adam | wm: memtest86 |
| 01:27.44 | helix | maher: it's not really common here.. |
| 01:27.52 | mickeyks | after depmod -a, modprobe snd-cmipci still fails to find the module |
| 01:27.55 | maher | helix: you are setting the trend... |
| 01:28.01 | helix | i don't live right next to any of the universities though |
| 01:28.02 | holycow | maher, i saw that the other day too |
| 01:28.02 | holycow | lol |
| 01:28.04 | helix | maher: yeah, i'm sure ;) |
| 01:28.05 | RichiH | helix: well, if you even care about improper: it probably is |
| 01:28.18 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: Then you're doing something wrong. |
| 01:28.30 | RichiH | helix: but as noone will try to shoot you (hopefully), you can just go for it if you feel like it :) |
| 01:28.36 | maher | sb_laptop: is some other music store ok - or does it have to be apple? |
| 01:28.36 | helix | RichiH: i've worn pj's to the store before but that was always very late at night |
| 01:28.42 | helix | RichiH: never done it before midnight.. |
| 01:28.52 | mickeyks | thomas_adam: thanks, i thought maybe it was just a problem with the time/space continuum |
| 01:29.00 | sb_laptop | maher, I just want to try to win the powerbook |
| 01:29.14 | RichiH | helix: hmm, well, 2124 might be a bit early, yes ;) |
| 01:29.15 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: what is the full path to this alleged module? |
| 01:29.31 | maher | sb_laptop: you are beyond my help |
| 01:29.34 | helix | RichiH: it totally creeps me out that you know what time it is here. |
| 01:30.02 | greycat | helix: why? I knew what time it was there, too.... |
| 01:30.03 | vladkao | helix: why don't you wait until midnight ? :) |
| 01:30.03 | RichiH | helix: you are kidding me, i presume? |
| 01:30.21 | skorpfox | if I have to leave the confinds of my office to do something aside from eating and bathroom, its already asking too much |
| 01:30.41 | mickeyks | thomas_adam: /lib/modules/2.6.6.062604/alsa/pci/snd-cmipci.ko |
| 01:30.56 | greycat | that's one funky kernel version number |
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| 01:31.14 | mwilson | What does uname -a say your kernel is? |
| 01:31.29 | RichiH | helix: i can even tell you that mickeyks and greycat have the same time as you :) |
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| 01:31.45 | RichiH | whereas holycow does not |
| 01:31.53 | j4rg0n | okay...i updated mozilla-thunderbird and it killed my profile |
| 01:32.03 | j4rg0n | did it overwrite it, or is it just not reading it? |
| 01:32.03 | mickeyks | ack |
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| 01:32.18 | j4rg0n | cause if it overwrote it i am gonna be seriously pissed >:-( |
| 01:32.19 | mickeyks | i'm not using the most current kernel |
| 01:32.20 | thebestnad | hello |
| 01:32.20 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: sorted it? Good. |
| 01:32.25 | sb_laptop | maher, mwilson gave me the answer I was looking for anyways |
| 01:32.30 | j4rg0n | anyone? |
| 01:32.30 | RichiH | mickeyks: that simply tells me you read it, not that you agree with it ;) |
| 01:32.35 | thomas_adam | !seen anyone |
| 01:32.35 | dpkg | thomas_adam: i haven't seen 'anyone' |
| 01:32.40 | vladkao | mickeyks: you said you're running that kernel |
| 01:32.46 | thebestnad | hhmm |
| 01:32.47 | sb_laptop | <mwilson> sb_laptop: No. <--thats all I wanted |
| 01:32.50 | thebestnad | I was wondering |
| 01:32.50 | thomas_adam | vladkao: Yes, but come on..... |
| 01:32.50 | sciboy | cedega is roughly 7mb isn't it? |
| 01:32.58 | thomas_adam | vladkao: It's common for morons to make mistakes. |
| 01:33.01 | thebestnad | I know knoppix is based on debian |
| 01:33.01 | holycow | :D |
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| 01:33.14 | mickeyks | vladkao: according to uname -a, though, i'm running the previous one. must have messed up lilo.conf or something |
| 01:33.19 | vladkao | thomas_adam: /j #knoppix |
| 01:33.21 | thebestnad | has anyone ever installed knoppix onto there hard drive? |
| 01:33.30 | mickeyks | thomas_adam: i'm putting you on ignore, please do the same, let's just never speak again |
| 01:33.35 | chealer | thebestnad: I did |
| 01:33.36 | j4rg0n | holycow: shouldn't have to make backups to prevent my operating system from automatically overwriting my configs |
| 01:33.38 | holycow | vladkao, check your nick completion |
| 01:33.39 | holycow | hehehe |
| 01:33.40 | vladkao | thomas_adam: uh, sorry. irssi tab completion ;) |
| 01:33.40 | greycat | thebestnad: people in #knoppix |
| 01:33.46 | thomas_adam | vladkao: They said /J here. :) |
| 01:33.50 | thebestnad | ok |
| 01:33.55 | thebestnad | sorry greycat |
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| 01:34.04 | holycow | j4rg0n, its not your os overwriting it, its the application, non? |
| 01:34.05 | vladkao | thomas_adam: hehe nice :) |
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| 01:34.19 | thebestnad | this is not the place to ask then? |
| 01:34.20 | RichiH | thebestnad: yes. and no, this will not give you a debian system. and no, you won't get support for that here, either. and yes, booting knoppix and shamelessly stealing config files can be handy to get something working quickly, sometimes |
| 01:34.20 | j4rg0n | holycow: fine, my distro's packaging system :P |
| 01:34.31 | mickeyks | now |
| 01:34.32 | j4rg0n | the point is, did apt overwrite it? cause that's a problem if it did |
| 01:34.38 | mhall | Alright, I figured out hot to get the Power Mac DMA sound driver working in ALSA, but the mixer refuses to adjust levels, and I can't hear the sound from catting kcore into dsp or from mpg123. |
| 01:34.40 | sciboy | where can i find the Md5 of cedega_4.0-1_i386.deb? |
| 01:34.42 | mhall | how* |
| 01:34.43 | j4rg0n | it shouldn't be overwriting configuration files without prompting |
| 01:34.49 | mhall | !tell sciboy about pdo |
| 01:34.53 | thebestnad | ok, thanks RichiH |
| 01:34.59 | holycow | j4rg0n, i don't think that is entirely a reasonable expectation |
| 01:35.07 | RichiH | np |
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| 01:35.21 | zignig | holycow: MOO! |
| 01:35.23 | thebestnad | mind if i sty here for a while |
| 01:35.23 | mhall | sciboy sorry about the insult appended to the factoid, i didn't write it |
| 01:35.24 | thebestnad | :) |
| 01:35.24 | sciboy | mhall: No you can't... |
| 01:35.32 | j4rg0n | holycow: well gentoo doesn't overwrite my configs |
| 01:35.34 | thebestnad | I have debian on a laptop at the moment |
| 01:35.35 | holycow | hola zignig |
| 01:35.35 | vladkao | thebestnad: stay? no. |
| 01:35.37 | j4rg0n | why does debian? |
| 01:35.40 | mhall | sciboy it's not on there huh? i was pretty sure it was, let me look again |
| 01:35.43 | omac | Hi everyone, I was just listening to comp.lang.ada and someone mentioned stratus/multics operating systems being able to upgrade their os without rebooting. Is that something debian can do? Could I have installed a more recent kernel and have it run without rebooting? |
| 01:35.54 | RichiH | thebestnad: not at all. idling and reading questions is actually a great way to learn new stuff |
| 01:35.57 | maher | j4rg0n: file a bug |
| 01:36.02 | j4rg0n | omac: not that i'm aware of |
| 01:36.05 | thebestnad | :) |
| 01:36.09 | sciboy | mhall: Its actually from transgaming.com |
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| 01:36.17 | paolo | Hi guys! I've a testing box that at bootup stops 2 minutes saying: Starting MTA, supposedly due to exim4. What is it? |
| 01:36.30 | j4rg0n | maher: *growl* |
| 01:36.30 | prologic | From a recent 'Fedora' presentation here locally in Australia, Brisbane last Saturday, I heard that Redhat is re-implementing the java virtual machine and that this will be part of the GNU virtual machine. Is this true ? Is it available to Debian (yet) ? |
| 01:36.37 | holycow | omac, i don't think there is such a thing as a kernel update without a reboot |
| 01:36.54 | mhall | sciboy yeah i was just going to say i did not see it in the pdo listings, made me want to ask if it was unofficial |
| 01:37.01 | sciboy | mhall: My friend and i paid for a half yearly account and i was able to get the file, but i don't know the password anymore and i need the md5 to check that its authentic. |
| 01:37.01 | thebestnad | if anyone has simple questions, i may be able to answer them, leaving the bigger ones to you lot |
| 01:37.02 | thebestnad | :) |
| 01:37.08 | Blissex | prologic: not yet. Not yet released. |
| 01:37.12 | chealer | paolo: I had that with BIND...if you don't need exim, just uninstall exim |
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| 01:37.22 | mickeyks | how can i tell what file a link is linking to? |
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| 01:37.34 | Guerin | paolo: I had this too, becaus it was starting the MTA before my pcmcia nic was up. I didn't need the MTA, so I just uninstalled it, but there's probably a sane way to fix it |
| 01:37.41 | chealer | mickeyks: check the status bar in Konqueror |
| 01:37.44 | mhall | sciboy sorry to say that might not be easy, did you try googling it with the term md5 and/or the term sum |
| 01:37.46 | prologic | Blissex, so what I've heard is true and GNU is building a new virtual machine but not yet released ? |
| 01:38.16 | mickeyks | chealer: i was hoping for soemthing on the command line, i dont have conqueror installed |
| 01:38.18 | Guerin | sciboy: wherever you downloaded it from should provide an md5. if they don's consider whether you should get software from them. |
| 01:38.19 | mhall | sciboy otherwise, you're at the mercy of a forgot-the-password link or a support email |
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| 01:38.28 | sciboy | mhall: Only transgaming.com only has it, but i can't access it now :( |
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| 01:38.54 | mhall | sciboy ok, in that case, google public proxy list, and use a proxy in firefox temporarily |
| 01:38.57 | Blissex | prologic: there are lots of GPL'ed Java virtual machines. They are all incomplete. |
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| 01:39.16 | sciboy | Guerin: My friend DCC'ed me the new file, but hes a cracker and i don't trust him. |
| 01:39.18 | prologic | Blissex, yes, that much I know too :) |
| 01:39.24 | prologic | Blissex, we'll have to sit and wait then! |
| 01:39.30 | oneo99 | hey all - is there any way to stop bootup in the middle? |
| 01:39.35 | Guerin | mickeyks: grep the source code of the page |
| 01:39.40 | oneo99 | its loading my video drivers and it freezes my monitor |
| 01:39.50 | mhall | sciboy the site loads for me, and, you are pretty paranoid |
| 01:39.58 | chealer | mickeyks: try ls -l |
| 01:40.02 | mickeyks | Guerin: are you kidding? |
| 01:40.03 | Guerin | sciboy: my friend ... I don't trust him? |
| 01:40.07 | sciboy | mhall: What site? |
| 01:40.12 | Guerin | mickeyks: no, I'm perfectly serious |
| 01:40.18 | maher | paolo: you might like ifplugd |
| 01:40.21 | mickeyks | Guerin: i'm not talking about a page |
| 01:40.31 | _ale_ | hi, how can i destroy a window with a button .... i imagine that is very simple...but i dont known how to do it, i'm working in GTK with glade and Anjuta |
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| 01:40.57 | Guerin | mickeyks: not talking about a html link? |
| 01:41.00 | sciboy | Guerin: Last time he cracked my comp while i was using WinXP and posted a hentai review on one of my favourite irc channels -.- |
| 01:41.15 | mickeyks | Guerin: no, takling about a file link |
| 01:41.17 | mickeyks | in a directory |
| 01:41.18 | Guerin | sciboy: charming |
| 01:41.18 | mickeyks | :) |
| 01:41.32 | mhall | sciboy transgaming loads fine |
| 01:41.33 | paolo | maher: what is ifplugd? |
| 01:41.34 | Guerin | mickeyks: ah, that wasn't clear |
| 01:41.40 | mickeyks | Guerin: sorry bout that |
| 01:41.40 | chealer | Guerin: lol, he must be talking about a UNIX symbolic link or something. pretty funny though :) |
| 01:41.42 | sciboy | Guerin: Hes fun to be around and all, but he likes testing his *skills* |
| 01:41.46 | Guerin | mickeyks: ls -l will show the target of a symlink, etvc |
| 01:41.49 | sciboy | mhall: And can you find the md5sum? |
| 01:41.55 | mhall | sciboy i'll see if i can |
| 01:42.19 | maher | paolo: it only brings up the interface if it works - that should fix the exim timeout iirc - or you could chnage the order of the startup scripts... |
| 01:42.31 | mhall | sciboy let's see, they have a forgot my pass link |
| 01:42.42 | sciboy | Guerin: He was one of the reasons i started using debian. |
| 01:42.42 | _ale_ | hi, how can i destroy a window with a button .... i imagine that is very simple...but i dont known how to do it, i'm working in GTK with glade and Anjuta |
| 01:42.53 | mhall | sciboy but looks like you have to log in to get the information you want |
| 01:43.05 | mhall | sciboy use a proxy server, and then the site should probably load for you |
| 01:43.11 | mickeyks | well Guerin can you tell me this |
| 01:43.27 | sciboy | mhall: Who said i couldn't access the site? |
| 01:43.28 | mickeyks | if lilo.conf has image=/vmlinuz |
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| 01:43.56 | sciboy | mhall: Only my friend has access to the account, i paid half and he paid half for a half-yearly account. |
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| 01:44.17 | omac | _ale_...ok RTFM for CloseWindow or DestroyWindow....the parameters(aka parms) should be the handle to the window you want to close. Try Close( |
| 01:44.21 | mickeyks | and in the root directory, is vmlinuz, which is a link to the current kernel in /boot |
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| 01:44.27 | mickeyks | then why am i booting to the old kernel? |
| 01:44.37 | sciboy | mhall: He just sent me the file via. IRC, and i want to check its authentic. |
| 01:44.47 | mhall | sciboy email the fuckin company |
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| 01:44.56 | Guerin | mickeyks: did you rerun lilo? |
| 01:45.18 | sciboy | mhall: I can't, its under his name. |
| 01:45.24 | Guerin | sciboy: sounds like you're fucked then. |
| 01:45.34 | thomas_adam | heh |
| 01:45.38 | mickeyks | Guerin: i did after i recompiled, but it shouldn't matter, should it? lilo boots vmlinuz, and that is just a link, and the link is good |
| 01:45.44 | Guerin | sciboy: not to mention stupid, for sharing an account but not insisting on getting the user/pass for yourself |
| 01:45.50 | chealer | mickeyks: check if you have something like liloconfig |
| 01:46.09 | chealer | oh ok |
| 01:46.12 | mhall | sciboy dude, sucks to be you |
| 01:46.14 | Guerin | mickeyks: I would think so too, but this is just one of the many reasons I use GRUB |
| 01:46.19 | sciboy | Guerin: It's his credit card, and he didn't me having access to the number :P |
| 01:46.49 | sussudio | sciboy: wait. you have friends? |
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| 01:47.27 | mhall | sciboy firewall your machine, that way if the deb is cracked, it will do no good, there is another fix |
| 01:47.38 | mhall | sciboy otherwise give the fuck up cause you're fucked |
| 01:47.40 | Guerin | sussudio: friends that don't share passwords with him and haxx0r his computer to test out they sk1lz, yeah |
| 01:47.42 | mwilson | I wish there was a way to get slrn to actually tell you the article number. |
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| 01:48.06 | mickeyks | maybe then, in lilo.conf, i'll just link to the actual image and not to a generic vmlinuz link to the image |
| 01:48.11 | vladkao | Guerin: that's why they are called friends |
| 01:48.16 | Guerin | sciboy: there's a lot of love and trust amongst your frinds, innit? |
| 01:48.25 | sciboy | mhall: He found out about this "Linux Crash Code" a week agp. |
| 01:48.30 | vladkao | mickeyks: and *rerun* *lilo* |
| 01:48.36 | Orv_Ux | Hi everybody.... |
| 01:48.37 | Guerin | vladkao: yeah. Things must be different in Australia... |
| 01:48.43 | Orv_Ux | somebody can help me? |
| 01:48.44 | sciboy | Guerin: This guy was the only one who used linux and had a credit card. |
| 01:48.44 | thomas_adam | sciboy: I like you. You always come here with moronic ideas. |
| 01:49.07 | thomas_adam | !tell Orv_Ux about ask |
| 01:49.11 | mickeyks | vladkao: well, maybe i'll just try re-running lilo the way it is first. because it should be booting me to the current kernel. |
| 01:49.13 | sciboy | thomas_adam: Atleast you find it entertaining :P |
| 01:49.31 | sciboy | Yay ^^ |
| 01:49.34 | sciboy | *sob |
| 01:49.52 | vladkao | mickeyks: and use `uname -a` when in doubt wich kernel you are running :) |
| 01:49.58 | Guerin | sciboy: now don't make me go all King Lear on you |
| 01:50.06 | thomas_adam | vladkao: uname -r is more pertinent. |
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| 01:50.20 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Please, don't end up naked on a hill! |
| 01:50.39 | Orv_Ux | i'm trying to compile the 2.6.7 kernel |
| 01:50.41 | RichiH | thomas_adam: i was just about to go to bed. thanks for that tought in my head! |
| 01:50.58 | thomas_adam | RichiH: sleep well. Sweet dreams. :) |
| 01:51.02 | Orv_Ux | but i can't to find make-kpkg |
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| 01:51.10 | greycat | !kp |
| 01:51.11 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: install kernel-package |
| 01:51.11 | dpkg | it has been said that kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 01:51.41 | Guerin | thomas_adam: I'll try to avoid the blind part, as well. |
| 01:51.43 | sussudio | thomas_adam: s/naked/covered in bits of wool and guinness/ |
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| 01:51.53 | thomas_adam | sussudio: baaa? |
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| 01:51.59 | sussudio | thomas_adam: baah |
| 01:52.02 | thomas_adam | heh |
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| 01:52.19 | grzesiek | hi |
| 01:52.28 | sussudio | grzesiek: 42 |
| 01:52.47 | sciboy | Can anyone please find out the md5sum for cedega_4.0-1_i386.deb at transgaming.com? I currently don't have access to (partially) my account. |
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| 01:52.59 | McQuaid | Hello all |
| 01:53.02 | thomas_adam | sciboy: You need a whip. |
| 01:53.10 | RichiH | thomas_adam: oh yes, thanks a lot ;) |
| 01:53.23 | sciboy | ... |
| 01:53.30 | cafuego | sciboy: try 0f0f3c8fb759ab47af31b112642485a8 |
| 01:53.38 | grzesiek | how to allow remote X, remote gdm, etc? |
| 01:53.41 | McQuaid | I'm currently using xfce4 as my wm, and I guess because of the gtk2.2 2.4 transition, whichever gtk2 app I want to upgrade, apt-get flags xfce4 for removal |
| 01:53.41 | sussudio | or s/naked/covered in kartoffelsalad und bratwurst/ |
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| 01:54.16 | McQuaid | I've waited for a pkg for a bit, but I was going to just compile xfce4 from source i guess, is gtk2.4 pretty stable? I thought I read some issues with 2.4 in sid |
| 01:54.32 | Orv_Ux | ok thomas_adam... downloading kernel-package |
| 01:54.46 | Blissex | grzesiek: 'man xauth' as a starting point. |
| 01:54.50 | McQuaid | one thing I never really liked with apt-get: there's no going back |
| 01:54.55 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: I really think you shouldn't be doing this, but rather using stock kernels. |
| 01:55.02 | Orv_Ux | okidoki thomas_adam... thanks.... |
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| 01:55.17 | chealer | McQuaid: Synaptic? |
| 01:55.17 | edx | anyone here ever setup a neverwinter server in linux that listed on game spy ???? anyone????? |
| 01:55.18 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: But, I have some faith. :) |
| 01:55.24 | thebestnad | heheh, time for bed, you lot are way above me |
| 01:55.25 | thebestnad | :D |
| 01:55.30 | McQuaid | ya |
| 01:55.34 | thomas_adam | edx: It is in England. It's "alwayswinter". |
| 01:55.39 | Orv_Ux | is there... :D |
| 01:55.44 | edx | LOL |
| 01:55.45 | Orv_Ux | make-kpkg |
| 01:55.46 | thebestnad | thomas_adam, :O |
| 01:55.50 | thebestnad | not always |
| 01:55.52 | thebestnad | :D |
| 01:55.58 | Blissex | McQuaid: there is some sort of going back. Downgrades are possible. |
| 01:56.05 | karsten | McQuaid: There is, sort of, with IIRC snapshot.debian.net and aptitude. |
| 01:56.08 | thomas_adam | thebestnad: My view outside suggests it is.... |
| 01:56.10 | karsten | McQuaid: ...though it can take some work. |
| 01:56.18 | thebestnad | :) |
| 01:56.23 | edx | i am beginning to think its an urban legend listing the linux server on gamespy! |
| 01:56.26 | thebestnad | well, last year was good |
| 01:56.27 | thebestnad | :D |
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| 01:56.29 | Blissex | McQuaid: also, try using 'aptitude' or 'synaptic'. Easier to see consequence and pick-and-choose specific versions. |
| 01:56.45 | thomas_adam | thebestnad: Not here in Southampton, it wasn't. Pissed, hailed, and snowed. |
| 01:56.50 | McQuaid | well you keep the pkgs you download, i wish there was a way to browse your own pkgs as a source and give them priority if one wanted to go back |
| 01:56.56 | NotModna | wassup? |
| 01:57.02 | thebestnad | lol thomas_adam |
| 01:57.05 | thomas_adam | McQuaid: What is it you're wanting to do? |
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| 01:57.33 | Orv_Ux | thomas_adam: what package of Qt i need to run make xmenuconfig? |
| 01:57.34 | thebestnad | you get everones weather in one go then thomas_adam |
| 01:57.36 | thebestnad | :D |
| 01:57.39 | thomas_adam | Blissex: Telling people to use synaptic is a bad idea. That program has issues, and it is not hard to type commands out using aptitude and/or apt-get. |
| 01:57.39 | McQuaid | well as i mentioned i use xfce4, and because of the introduction of gtk2.4, pretty much any gtk2 app i want to upgrade, synaptic flags xfce4 for removal |
| 01:57.42 | thebestnad | *everyones |
| 01:57.49 | goodell | Does the bind9 debian package contain a named that is compiled with dnssec support? I can generate SIG and NXT records, but dig +dnssec <domain> does not provide them to me. |
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| 01:58.00 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: install libncurses5-dev and use 'make menuconfig'. |
| 01:58.07 | McQuaid | you'd think 2.4 would be backwards compatible with 2.2... |
| 01:58.18 | thebestnad | hhmm |
| 01:58.20 | Orv_Ux | it's not 4 me... i'm usinf menuconfig... |
| 01:58.28 | Orv_Ux | and i love gnome... jeje ;) |
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| 01:58.33 | chealer | thomas_adam: which issues? |
| 01:58.34 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: Then get the recipient to use it as well. |
| 01:58.40 | thomas_adam | chealer: Pardon? |
| 01:58.44 | mickeyks | that was odd |
| 01:58.49 | Blissex | thomas_adam: not everybody is a geekmaster :-). A slightly flawed simpler thing may bve a better alternative. Also, there are some worse and some better versions of 'synaptic'... |
| 01:58.51 | grzesiek | ehh |
| 01:58.53 | chealer | thomas_adam: the synpatic issues |
| 01:58.54 | thebestnad | is getting the kernel from kernel.org just as valid as getting it by doing apt-get? |
| 01:58.54 | Orv_Ux | but a friend want to run xmenuconfig... :( |
| 01:59.08 | mickeyks | i rebooted, and got some kind of freeze where i saw "99" over and over |
| 01:59.16 | thomas_adam | Blissex: Or at most, get them to use 'wajig' with the gjig front-end. |
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| 01:59.43 | mickeyks | then i tried my rescue floppy, and got a message that said "booting from rescue floppy no longer supported, use a boot loader" |
| 01:59.45 | grzesiek | thebestnad yes |
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| 02:00.09 | thomas_adam | !+L99 |
| 02:00.14 | thebestnad | so, why is it that someone told me different |
| 02:00.21 | mickeyks | so now i booted from the install disk used as a rescue disk |
| 02:00.23 | thebestnad | is it just personal preference |
| 02:00.26 | mickeyks | i'm not sure what i did wrong |
| 02:00.34 | Guerin | thebestnad: grab it from kernel.org, compile it with make-kpkg and you've got debs just like you would in debian |
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| 02:00.53 | Guerin | thebestnad: it's a different kernel, of course, but it fits into the packaging system the same way |
| 02:01.00 | Orv_Ux | so what's the package ? |
| 02:01.03 | thebestnad | OK |
| 02:01.04 | Orv_Ux | : |
| 02:01.05 | sciboy | cafuego: Thanks, its authentic surprisingly enough. |
| 02:01.05 | edx | so no ones ever configed a neverwinter game server that works with game spy.....? |
| 02:01.06 | Orv_Ux | :) |
| 02:01.17 | thomas_adam | edx: Clearly not. |
| 02:01.18 | edx | in linux of course |
| 02:01.30 | edx | bummer |
| 02:01.33 | mickeyks | why would booting from a rescue floppy not be supported? |
| 02:01.43 | Guerin | edx: try asking on a gaming server, I think irc.quakenet has a #debian channel |
| 02:01.56 | thebestnad | what is the difference between the apt-get one and the kernel.org one, has the apt-get one got added features? |
| 02:01.57 | edx | thanks will do |
| 02:02.01 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Tell mickeyks his errors are because he probably hasn't got lilo on /dev/hda |
| 02:02.04 | sciboy | cafuego: You have always been a help, thanks :) |
| 02:02.09 | vladkao | mickeyks: the kernel (2.6) is too big to fit :) |
| 02:02.19 | mickeyks | oh |
| 02:02.30 | Guerin | thebestnad: the only differences are the differences you patch and configure into the kernel |
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| 02:02.41 | mickeyks | vladkao: really? |
| 02:03.04 | mickeyks | you're fucking with me, no? |
| 02:03.06 | thebestnad | OK, thanks Guerin |
| 02:03.07 | Guerin | thebestnad: debian kernels are pretty heavily patched, and have a very generic default config, whereas kernel.org kernels are just plain generic |
| 02:03.19 | thebestnad | yeah |
| 02:03.24 | Guerin | mickeyks: Tell mickeyks his errors are because he probably hasn't got lilo on /dev/hda |
| 02:03.34 | thebestnad | because they are desined to serve all distros |
| 02:03.37 | Guerin | mickeyks: from thomas_adam - have you got him on /ignore or something |
| 02:03.45 | Orv_Ux | hey boy what qt package i need to install to run xmenuconfig? |
| 02:04.10 | Guerin | Orv_Ux: anything bith both qt and -dev in it. Use apt-cache search to find them |
| 02:04.10 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Aye, something about hatred... ;) |
| 02:04.12 | mickeyks | Guerin: yes |
| 02:04.19 | thebestnad | so, presumably, it is, as a general rule better to get a kernel via apt-get |
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| 02:04.28 | thomas_adam | thebestnad: Yes. |
| 02:04.32 | thebestnad | OK |
| 02:04.41 | Guerin | mickeyks: see, people who need to ask lots of questions shouldn't put knowledgeable folks on ignore |
| 02:04.42 | thebestnad | that clears something up for me |
| 02:04.43 | thebestnad | :) |
| 02:04.50 | thomas_adam | thebestnad: As Guerin said, using make-kpkg pretty much solves it .deb wise, as well. |
| 02:05.00 | Orv_Ux | Boys, somebody can help me? |
| 02:05.09 | mickeyks | Guerin: i don't anticipate any more difficulty with him on ignore than without |
| 02:05.10 | thebestnad | OK |
| 02:05.12 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: Boys, hehehehe. |
| 02:05.20 | thebestnad | me saves conversation |
| 02:05.21 | thebestnad | :D |
| 02:05.25 | Guerin | thebestnad: if you have to ask, then yeah. If you know what you're doing, building your own kernel can work better for you. |
| 02:05.25 | sciboy | cya./ |
| 02:05.28 | thebestnad | I will forget tomorrow |
| 02:05.31 | Orv_Ux | then boy what qt package i need to install to run xmenuconfig? |
| 02:05.44 | Orv_Ux | thomas_adam:then boy what qt package i need to install to run xmenuconfig? |
| 02:05.47 | wpostma | Has anyone got amsn working on their sid machine? On my box, amsn opens a blank gray window, and nothing happens. |
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| 02:05.48 | thebestnad | :) |
| 02:05.53 | TweakGames | asking this here becuase im running debian and I cant find a phpmyadmin irc channel..) aighty I just went apt-get install mysql-server apache php4 phpmyadmin and when I try to log into phpmyadmin it just blinks at me, and goes back the the log in page. No matter what I do it doesnt give me an error or anything. Any ideas? |
| 02:05.53 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: read the README file in the source. |
| 02:06.02 | Guerin | Orv_Ux: I TOLD you already |
| 02:06.14 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: Also, calling us "boys" is offensive. |
| 02:06.16 | Guerin | TweakGames: ask in #php |
| 02:06.18 | Orv_Ux | oopsss... let me see... |
| 02:06.22 | TweakGames | ok thanks |
| 02:06.37 | Orv_Ux | why is offensive? |
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| 02:06.46 | potter_ | girls maybe? |
| 02:06.56 | thomas_adam | potter_: Only on weekends. |
| 02:06.58 | wpostma | Orv_Ux: no english lessons in #debian. :-) |
| 02:07.05 | vladkao | TweakGames: you should configure it... |
| 02:07.19 | vladkao | thomas_adam: it *is* weekend now :) |
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| 02:07.30 | Orv_Ux | Guerin: ok... i was saw you comment... |
| 02:07.31 | thomas_adam | vladkao: Not here, 03:07, Monday morning. :) |
| 02:07.34 | Orv_Ux | thanks... |
| 02:07.55 | vladkao | thomas_adam: in the US at least. most of _them_ are from there :) |
| 02:08.16 | thomas_adam | vladkao: heh. |
| 02:08.28 | chealer | TweakGames: you must have an invalig login/pass combination. could be root, blank |
| 02:08.39 | Guerin | thomas_adam: he's probably Orv_Ux |
| 02:09.00 | thomas_adam | Guerin: I did just check... Idon't believe it's him, but I have no prior reference to check... |
| 02:09.19 | Guerin | thomas_adam: heh, I've got you all paranoid now, haven't I? |
| 02:09.22 | Cuga | i love u |
| 02:09.30 | thomas_adam | Guerin: jjust a little. |
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| 02:11.17 | thebestnad | thomas_adam, do you work nights or something, why are you up still, i know i am. but i am off to bed very soon :) |
| 02:11.32 | thomas_adam | thebestnad: Chronic insomniac. |
| 02:11.38 | thebestnad | just a question, tell me to mind my own business if you want |
| 02:11.39 | thebestnad | :) |
| 02:11.46 | cafuego | chronic celeriac |
| 02:11.50 | thebestnad | LOL |
| 02:11.54 | thomas_adam | cafuego: quiet you! :p |
| 02:12.01 | thebestnad | thomas_adam, was that a joke or real? |
| 02:12.06 | thebestnad | :) |
| 02:12.10 | thomas_adam | thebestnad: Unfortunately, it's true. |
| 02:12.16 | thebestnad | :( |
| 02:12.17 | thebestnad | sorry |
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| 02:12.27 | thomas_adam | It's OK. |
| 02:12.38 | thomas_adam | Blissex: Whereabouts? My dad's in Wantage, |
| 02:12.38 | thebestnad | what the hell have i got then |
| 02:12.39 | thebestnad | :D |
| 02:12.46 | thebestnad | why am i still up |
| 02:12.47 | thebestnad | :) |
| 02:13.06 | Blissex | thomas_adam: Botley... Just near Oxford. |
| 02:13.16 | thomas_adam | Blissex: Park and Ride all the way from there. |
| 02:13.46 | rox | is there a way to see which packages are out of date? |
| 02:13.54 | thomas_adam | rox: define out of date. |
| 02:13.58 | wpostma | rox: apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 02:14.06 | zepheir | Anyone like exim? |
| 02:14.06 | cafuego | rox: apt-get -s dist-upgrade |
| 02:14.11 | Guerin | rox: define out of date |
| 02:14.12 | thomas_adam | wpostma: apt-get -s dist-upgrade |
| 02:14.13 | rox | thomas_adam: older then the packages available in the respository |
| 02:14.21 | thomas_adam | rox: apt-get -s dist-upgrade |
| 02:14.30 | cafuego | !lose thomas_adam |
| 02:14.31 | dpkg | thomas_adam: You Lose. |
| 02:14.32 | Guerin | damn |
| 02:14.39 | grzesiek | zepheir sure |
| 02:14.43 | wpostma | Being lazy, I type apt-get dist-upgrade, then ctrl-d :-) |
| 02:14.49 | thomas_adam | aww, was there some sort of game being played? |
| 02:14.53 | thebestnad | is it not possible to compre files too |
| 02:14.54 | cafuego | zepheir: maybe, if postfix didn't exist. |
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| 02:15.02 | thebestnad | to see which ones are out of date? |
| 02:15.09 | thomas_adam | thebestnad: Nah, too much hassle. |
| 02:15.15 | thebestnad | or would that not have the same effect |
| 02:15.19 | thebestnad | ahh |
| 02:15.20 | thebestnad | OK |
| 02:15.27 | zepheir | grzesiek: What do you like about it? |
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| 02:15.34 | vladkao | thebestnad: /msg dpkg enter |
| 02:15.48 | zepheir | cafuego: I'm used to postfix myself. |
| 02:16.03 | rox | thomas_adam && cafuego: thank you, i'll extract the package names out of that ;) |
| 02:16.23 | cafuego | zepheir: Why would you consider downgrading to exim, then? |
| 02:16.32 | macpato | any advantage in using aptitude vs apt-get? |
| 02:16.43 | grzesiek | its easy and you can set it nice |
| 02:16.51 | karsten | cafuego: What's postfix's benefit? |
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| 02:16.59 | zepheir | cafuego: I wasn't considering, just new to Debian and it seemed that exim was installed from start? So I was trying to get it working. |
| 02:17.01 | thomas_adam | macpato: see the archives for the last two weeks on the debian-user ML -- it was discussed there. |
| 02:17.01 | cafuego | karsten: it's not exim and it's not sendmail. |
| 02:17.18 | Blissex | macpato: very many. especially for the less geeky, but even for the most geeky. |
| 02:17.21 | cafuego | zepheir: First command on any new machine: apt-get install postfix exim- |
| 02:17.22 | macpato | thomas_adam: thx |
| 02:17.31 | karsten | cafuego: And that's not informative. Other than the sendmail bits. |
| 02:17.42 | Blissex | cafuego: I like EXIM a lot better than Postfix... |
| 02:17.50 | thomas_adam | macpato: short answer is aptitude handles dependencies slightly better than apt-get, both though are interchangeable. |
| 02:17.55 | zepheir | cafuego: That removes exim as well? |
| 02:18.00 | cafuego | karsten: I find it easier to configure, especially with mysql based auth. |
| 02:18.01 | thebestnad | vladkao, sorry, were you refering to the fact that I put "ahh" and "OK" on seperate lines? |
| 02:18.07 | cafuego | zepheir: yep |
| 02:18.16 | zepheir | cafuego: Cool..Let me try that out. |
| 02:18.16 | vladkao | thebestnad: not only |
| 02:18.37 | macpato | thomas_adam: i was just wondering, all i ever used has been apt-get |
| 02:18.44 | cafuego | Blissex: But you're not me, so that opinion doesn't count ;-) |
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| 02:19.11 | zepheir | Blissex: What do you like about it? |
| 02:19.28 | thebestnad | OK, sorry vladkao, I will avoid doing it now i know :) |
| 02:19.32 | Blissex | zepheir: EXIM or Aptitude? |
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| 02:20.25 | zepheir | Blissex: What's Aptitude? I was referring to EXIM though. |
| 02:20.32 | vladkao | cafuego: heh, your opinion counts anyway :) (at least considering it) |
| 02:20.32 | cafuego | karsten: And compared to the last few exim4 installs I've seen under sarge, postfix is a lot faster. |
| 02:20.40 | omac | macpato: I would like to add it's important to specify the right version name in the /etc/apt/sources.list. If you start mixing version stuff in there, that's when it starts getting tricky. To keep it simple, keep all the source list stuff to only one of the following:woody, sarge, stable, testing, unstable |
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| 02:21.16 | Blissex | omac: that is very limiting advice. the important thing is to pin to the desired target version in '/etc/apt/apt.conf'. |
| 02:21.21 | cafuego | Now if I could make courier-imap allow calendaring and contact folders, I'd be happy. |
| 02:21.37 | macpato | omac: no fears, all i got is sid's |
| 02:21.56 | Blissex | omac: it is also dangerous if one ever adds unwittingly the ``wrong'' sources. Pinning in '/etc/apt/apt.conf' is instead entirely safe. |
| 02:21.58 | thebestnad | OK, I am off to bed now, i may be back again some day, thank you :) |
| 02:22.00 | hexxeh | hm, looks like option 2 from the GR has been selected: Postpone changes until Sarge releases |
| 02:22.22 | omac | macpato...perfect !...the only thing left is to either upgrade everything to unstable or expermental if you're daring :) |
| 02:22.30 | mwilson | hexxeh: Yes, and you're the umpteenth person to inform everyone of what they already know. |
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| 02:24.31 | macpato | omac: i'm on sid already, no desire to go to experimental, my needs are basic, fluxbox, moz, xchat, etc |
| 02:24.42 | fbb | cool firefox 0.9 is finally going in unstable |
| 02:24.50 | mwilson | You can't "go to experimental". |
| 02:25.00 | mwilson | Experimental isn't something you can install. |
| 02:25.39 | omac | pardon my jargon... :) |
| 02:25.55 | mwilson | What "jargon"? It's just wrong. |
| 02:26.10 | macpato | mwilson: isn't it a repository? |
| 02:26.21 | mwilson | macpato: A highly incomplete one. |
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| 02:27.10 | omac | Yup I'm wrong about experimental...it's just recently I needed to think of going experimental with gcc to get the latest gcc-ada add-ons for the proposed ada95-to-ada0x standard. |
| 02:27.20 | macpato | mwilson: ok, i don't see the need for me, i'm already flying too high, sometimes i think i should be on sarge |
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| 02:28.10 | Orv_Ux | Hi... somebody know what's the qt's package to run make xmenuconfig? |
| 02:28.18 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: Guerin HAS TOLD YOU! |
| 02:28.33 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: You even apologised to him and said you had found it. |
| 02:28.37 | mwilson | "xmenuconfig"? Are we inventing kernel Makefile targets at random now? |
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| 02:29.01 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: and I told you to use 'make menuconfig'. |
| 02:29.09 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: None of that QT fluffy shit. |
| 02:29.27 | Orv_Ux | thomas_adam: yes, i'm using it... but this answer is 4 a frien... ;) |
| 02:29.38 | thomas_adam | !4 |
| 02:29.38 | dpkg | hmm... 4 is pow(2,2) or maybe even sqrt(16), or unless you're talking mathematics it's FOR! not 4! see ne1 |
| 02:29.46 | mwilson | thomas_adam: But its a GUI! It has to be better! I don't know why, but it has to be! |
| 02:30.03 | thomas_adam | mwilson: heh. |
| 02:30.04 | Guerin | mwilson: at least twice as better for ? reasons |
| 02:30.04 | mwilson | </sarcasm> |
| 02:30.17 | Orv_Ux | thomas_adam: for a friend... ;) |
| 02:30.21 | vladkao | you can click with the mouse, that's why ! |
| 02:30.27 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: You're root^, aren't you? |
| 02:30.35 | thomas_adam | s/oo/00/ |
| 02:30.56 | Orv_Ux | ??????? |
| 02:31.00 | whiterabbit | lol |
| 02:31.00 | whiterabbit | ¹º¹ |
| 02:31.07 | thomas_adam | God, I'm paranoid. |
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| 02:31.17 | Orv_Ux | jejejeje |
| 02:31.18 | thomas_adam | whiterabbit: I'm not following you. |
| 02:31.25 | vladkao | thomas_adam: yes, you are :) |
| 02:31.26 | omac | Who needs the comedy channel when we've got mwilson and dpkg.... :) |
| 02:31.49 | mwilson | You can always tell a cluebie... it's like a fingerprint, the way he asks the same questions in the same way while thinking he's smart by changing his nick. |
| 02:32.06 | whiterabbit | thomas_adam: thats what everyone says at first give it time you'll start to take the right R× |
| 02:32.10 | srbaker | how do i list what sources my installed packages came from? |
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| 02:32.21 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: Guerin told you the package in question -- you then apologised to him (or acknowledged that you saw his reply) and you now have not installed it? |
| 02:32.21 | mwilson | srbaker: You don't. |
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| 02:32.24 | Guerin | mwilson: when he got the right answer the first time, but is too unclever to actually extract a resolution from it |
| 02:32.49 | thomas_adam | srbaker: do you mean something close to: apt-cache madison <foo> ? |
| 02:32.52 | Guerin | srbaker: if you don't know, you have too many sources in your sources.list |
| 02:33.11 | Orv_Ux | thomas_adam: now i'm compiling my 2.6.7 kernel... repeat again the answer is for a friend... |
| 02:33.20 | mwilson | thomas_adam: That says where you CAN get it, not where you GOT it. |
| 02:33.25 | thomas_adam | srbaker: madison only shows where it would be pulled from, not where it eas got from. |
| 02:33.40 | thomas_adam | mwilson: Yes, but the chances are good. :) |
| 02:33.51 | srbaker | thomas_adam, yeah, but for installed. |
| 02:33.54 | srbaker | Guerin, i have two. |
| 02:34.04 | Guerin | Orv_Ux: same question, same answer |
| 02:34.11 | Guerin | Orv_Ux: would you like me to repeat it? |
| 02:34.12 | mwilson | srbaker: How many different ways do you have to be told that you can't? |
| 02:34.16 | thomas_adam | srbaker: The answer is "not easily". |
| 02:34.30 | srbaker | mwilson, i know that i can't. thomas_adam asked me what i wanted, i told him. |
| 02:34.33 | srbaker | mwilson, chill out. |
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| 02:34.46 | thomas_adam | srbaker: mwilson's right though. |
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| 02:35.18 | thomas_adam | mwilson: How's the minimal stress approach working out thus far? ;) |
| 02:35.34 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I'd have been telling him what I thought of him otherwise. |
| 02:35.47 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 02:35.54 | Guerin | srbaker: you can usually figure it out by a process of elimination, but there's no tool for it. |
| 02:35.58 | mwilson | thomas_adam: But /ignore is still a wonderful thing. |
| 02:36.04 | thomas_adam | mwilson: amen. |
| 02:36.16 | mwilson | thomas_adam: 22 people at the moment. |
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| 02:36.23 | thomas_adam | mwilson: hehehe. |
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| 02:36.54 | mwilson | Hm, initscripts busted too. |
| 02:37.02 | mwilson | Man, Sid's not having a good week. |
| 02:37.03 | thomas_adam | That's always a fucked package. |
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| 02:37.35 | holycow | sarge can be a bitch too, the gnome drop took a while to stabilize |
| 02:38.05 | mwilson | initscripts, module-init-tools, X, ... what else is busted at the moment? |
| 02:38.30 | maher | mwilson: util-linux |
| 02:38.35 | thomas_adam | mwilson: I'd rather go looking for person(s) to blame. |
| 02:38.48 | sussudio | thomas_adam: tony bleh did it |
| 02:38.50 | mwilson | maher: Yeah, I forgot that one. |
| 02:38.58 | thomas_adam | sussudio: woof |
| 02:39.09 | maher | mwilson: that's been broken for months - but no one seems to care enough to fix it... |
| 02:39.25 | mwilson | aptitude's broken too. |
| 02:39.33 | thomas_adam | Was it ever not? |
| 02:39.38 | mwilson | But no one cares about that. |
| 02:39.49 | sussudio | !seen anyone use aptitude |
| 02:39.50 | dpkg | sussudio: i haven't seen 'anyone use aptitude' |
| 02:40.03 | Orv_Ux | Guerin: what's the qt's package to run make xmenuconfig? |
| 02:40.09 | mwilson | Doesn't d-i still try and force aptitude down your throat? |
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| 02:40.14 | vladkao | sussudio: you're getting better ;) |
| 02:40.19 | harlequin | Horde requires the HTML_Common and HTML_Select classes only for Kronolith 1.0 to display forms correctly. |
| 02:40.20 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: xmenuconfig ? |
| 02:40.26 | mwilson | Orv_Ux: There you go, making up random names for Makefile targets again. |
| 02:40.28 | Guerin | Orv_Ux: there is no make xmenuconfig |
| 02:40.28 | harlequin | anyone know a package for ? Horde requires the HTML_Common and HTML_Select classes only for Kronolith 1.0 to display forms correctly. |
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| 02:40.33 | thomas_adam | Orv_Ux: Guerin has told you already. |
| 02:40.35 | edward_ | is there a standard place where iptable rules go on debian? |
| 02:40.42 | omac | You guys are going to make me laugh again....I used aptitude to update/install unstable. I also used aptitude to get sarge going with a netinstall cd of sarge. |
| 02:40.43 | thomas_adam | edward_: Don't tempt me. |
| 02:40.47 | Guerin | Orv_Ux: make xconfig needs qt dev libs |
| 02:41.01 | mwilson | omac: You want applause? |
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| 02:41.14 | thomas_adam | mwilson: No, he's 1337, damn17 |
| 02:41.14 | edward_ | thomas_adam: what? |
| 02:41.27 | omac | No :) I'm just saying as a user...it was a most pleasant experience. |
| 02:41.40 | thomas_adam | omac: Try a girlfriend. |
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| 02:42.11 | Orv_Ux | Guerin: you're right.. sorry is xconfig |
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| 02:42.45 | thomas_adam | If I were Guerin, Orv_Ux, I wouldn't be telling you anymore. I really don't think you should be helping/showing people how to compile kernels. |
| 02:42.53 | Orv_Ux | Guerin: i was installed libqt3-dev... but it's not running... |
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| 02:43.05 | omac | Nothing in aptitude went terribly wrong to the point that I didn't feel comfortable. In fact a couple of times I touch the wrong key and it installed stuff I didn't want but I could go back and fix it no problem with the aptitude front-end. All in all yoku-dekita(good job) ! |
| 02:43.35 | edward_ | is everythin in the /etc/init.d/ folder executed on boot with the "start" option? |
| 02:43.35 | Orv_Ux | thomas_adam: Thanks to god you aren't Guerin... ;) |
| 02:43.36 | louden_obscure | oops, i upgraded sid and now it hangs loading my alsa modules...homemade 2.6.7 kernel, it was ok till i rebooted saturday... |
| 02:43.52 | thomas_adam | louden_obscure: initscripts? :) |
| 02:44.07 | thomas_adam | louden_obscure: module-init-tools? : |
| 02:44.10 | thomas_adam | louden_obscure: BTS |
| 02:44.12 | louden_obscure | i haven't touched em |
| 02:44.12 | omac | thomas_adam....I did but she's not here for the moment....linux is the next best thing :) |
| 02:44.35 | harlequin | ?? |
| 02:44.41 | maher | Orv_Ux: why are you trying to compile a kernel? |
| 02:44.42 | Guerin | Orv_Ux: you must need somethingelse then |
| 02:44.42 | harlequin | anyone know a package for ? Horde requires the HTML_Common and HTML_Select classes only for Kronolith 1.0 to display forms correctly. |
| 02:44.50 | Orv_Ux | thomas_adam: For people like you others did not come to Linux... :| |
| 02:44.52 | thomas_adam | louden_obscure: Check the BTS. |
| 02:44.54 | louden_obscure | so i have to RTFM, ta? |
| 02:45.01 | thomas_adam | louden_obscure: No, BTS != RTFM. |
| 02:45.03 | harlequin | HTML_COMMON AND HTTP_SELECT are pear |
| 02:45.06 | harlequin | i have pear install |
| 02:45.09 | Guerin | !tell harlequin about repeat |
| 02:45.12 | Orv_Ux | Guerin: No, thanks... i'm leaving here... |
| 02:45.17 | louden_obscure | whatsa a BTS? |
| 02:45.18 | thomas_adam | harlequin: ask in #php |
| 02:45.24 | thomas_adam | !tell louden_obscure about BTS |
| 02:45.27 | harlequin | thomas_adam: its more packages |
| 02:45.34 | harlequin | thomas_adam: im looking for a pkg |
| 02:45.42 | thomas_adam | !tell harlequin about search |
| 02:45.50 | thomas_adam | harlequin: You aren't looking hard enough, clearly. |
| 02:45.52 | grzesiek | edward_ you have runlevels |
| 02:45.58 | omac | I'll guess and say BUG TRACKING SYSTEM === BTS :) |
| 02:45.59 | harlequin | i have searched |
| 02:46.13 | harlequin | thomas_adam: its seperate to php4-pear |
| 02:46.15 | Guerin | harlequin: using debian horde packages? |
| 02:46.29 | louden_obscure | big trouble symtoms? |
| 02:46.31 | harlequin | Guerin: no |
| 02:46.34 | harlequin | Guerin: they are out dated |
| 02:46.35 | thomas_adam | harlequin: Then it is probable that there are no packages. I don't know myself... |
| 02:46.36 | Guerin | harlequin: exactly |
| 02:46.43 | vladkao | uh, chatzilla :( |
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| 02:46.58 | harlequin | Guerin: :S |
| 02:47.05 | louden_obscure | ok...i found it |
| 02:47.21 | mwilson | Ooooh, it doesn't matter if they WORK or not... they have a version number .001 less than current, so it's inconceivable that you'd use them. |
| 02:47.32 | edward_ | grzesiek: what if i want something to always run, for example an iptables firewall? |
| 02:47.47 | Guerin | harlequin: do apt-get -s install horde or whatever, and see what package come in |
| 02:47.51 | thomas_adam | edward_: kludge it. |
| 02:48.04 | harlequin | Guerin: its like version 2 |
| 02:48.12 | Guerin | harlequin: that's nice |
| 02:48.19 | grzesiek | put it in to your runlevel |
| 02:48.19 | edward_ | thomas_adam: what does that mean?> |
| 02:48.19 | harlequin | Version: 2.2.3-7.1 |
| 02:48.52 | louden_obscure | ack the the BTS seems more like catch-22. |
| 02:49.33 | grzesiek | !tell grzesiek about BTS |
| 02:49.34 | thomas_adam | louden_obscure: If you can't navigate it, or install reportbug, why did you dist-upgrade to it? |
| 02:49.37 | mwilson | harlequin: You do realize, of course, that's the current version. |
| 02:49.54 | zepheir | cafuego: Do you use a relayhost for email with postfix? |
| 02:50.27 | mwilson | Hm, horrors! It's not. It's TWO WHOLE points off of current! The world must end at once! |
| 02:50.44 | louden_obscure | cuz i can, basically. and it was working for more than eighteen months with only minor glitches |
| 02:50.49 | Guerin | mwilson: everyone knows that old things are bad |
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| 02:51.30 | thomas_adam | That's no way to talk about your mother, maher. |
| 02:51.42 | Guerin | badoomp-tsssh |
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| 02:52.16 | Eno_ | question... i have an nvidia that can do twinview, but i suspect the nvidia drivers are at fault for my random x freezings (not sure yet). is there a way i can get twinview using the regular nv driver? |
| 02:52.41 | Blissex | Eno_: no way. |
| 02:52.48 | Eno_ | ... |
| 02:52.53 | zepheir | Eno_: Maybe it's the power management. |
| 02:52.56 | sussudio | !do twinview |
| 02:53.01 | Blissex | Eno_: but you can use 'Xinerama' with the 'nv' driver that is almost as good. |
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| 02:53.09 | Eno_ | i see |
| 02:53.22 | Eno_ | i dont need twinview.. just want to get the same result |
| 02:53.30 | louden_obscure | i'm sure i have reportbug installed, i am not a developer, i just want bleeding edge, and now i'm bleeding a lot. will my input help? TA |
| 02:53.35 | Blissex | Eno_: as to random freezes with the NVIDIA driver, it can have many causes. Try disabling RENDER extension acceleration. |
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| 02:53.52 | mwilson | !TA |
| 02:53.52 | dpkg | mwilson, :) |
| 02:53.55 | Eno_ | hm |
| 02:54.09 | thomas_adam | louden_obscure: You asked for this... and you got what you deserved. Bleeding edge means that you should know how to fix it yourself. |
| 02:54.09 | maher | w ready |
| 02:54.13 | Guerin | louden_obscure: if you can isolate what's causing a bug, or can provide strace or log data to help someone else figure it out, then sure |
| 02:54.15 | mwilson | louden_obscure: You can't spell things out? |
| 02:54.41 | Eno_ | Blissex, should i try using nv for a while to see if x is stable again? |
| 02:55.22 | Hass | if changes in DFSG have been postponed... when will be Sarge released? ¿september? |
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| 02:55.27 | quinlan | hey folks |
| 02:55.30 | greycat | Hass: WIR |
| 02:55.32 | Guerin | louden_obscure: but if you file bugreports which say "Foo is b0rk3n in sid, wheneva i click on teh yahoo it just fucks out. Plz fix0r it kthx lol. |
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| 02:55.46 | Guerin | ... well, that ain't no use. |
| 02:55.54 | Blissex | Eno_: 'nv' is usually a lot more reliable than 'nvidia'. |
| 02:55.55 | quinlan | is there a way to get dig to show the size (bytes in the query packet) of a DNS query? |
| 02:55.57 | Hass | greycat: wir? whats wir? |
| 02:56.03 | quinlan | or some other tool? |
| 02:56.04 | thomas_adam | !+WIR |
| 02:56.04 | dpkg | wir is, like, When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 02:56.14 | Hass | lol |
| 02:56.16 | thomas_adam | Hass: ^^^ |
| 02:56.19 | thomas_adam | !+lol |
| 02:56.19 | dpkg | lol is, like, Laugh{s,ing} Out Loud. A laugh sound is not spelled "lol" nor is "lol" punctuation. If you want to quickly indicate that you're laughing, use "heh" or "haha" in the first person and "lol" or "is lol" in the third person ("/me"). See also: ne1, u, ur. See this: http://lolz.webhop.org/ |
| 02:56.28 | Hass | ok /me lol :P |
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| 02:56.38 | Guerin | Hass: it's now officially no longer "not in the forseeable future" |
| 02:56.39 | Eno_ | Blissex, ok. i will try to find how to use xinerama. thanks for you help |
| 02:57.43 | srbaker | anyone know off hand what the point is that keeps graphviz in non-free is? |
| 02:58.06 | Hass | btw thomas_adam: lol can also mean lots of laughs :P |
| 02:58.17 | thomas_adam | Hass: hahahaha. |
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| 02:58.40 | thomas_adam | srbaker: Read the CHANGELOG for the package. |
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| 02:58.48 | louden_obscure | i'm not whining, i know sid bites back. i just dint see it coming this time. i can still save my stuff and start over. i have before. i was just curious as to if it was wide spread or just me. |
| 02:59.21 | Guerin | srbaker: just look at the license file it installs, probably called COPYRIGHT |
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| 02:59.22 | leitao | please, in bash, how i do i execute the last command with a substring without retyping it or searching for it with arrows? |
| 02:59.41 | thomas_adam | louden_obscure: I can't suggest enough you install 'apt-listbugs' and 'apt-listchanges' |
| 02:59.48 | Guerin | louden_obscure: you shouldn't just nuke and start again - you should try to fix it |
| 02:59.50 | thomas_adam | leitao: ! |
| 02:59.51 | maher | leitao: ! or ^^ |
| 03:00.07 | thomas_adam | !lose maher |
| 03:00.07 | simonrvn | leitao: !! |
| 03:00.08 | dpkg | maher: You Lose. |
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| 03:01.00 | Guerin | louden_obscure: what's b0rk3n |
| 03:01.01 | Guerin | ? |
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| 03:01.05 | louden_obscure | ok, ta i'll give that a shot, this damn rescue kernel is a bit slow |
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| 03:01.17 | thomas_adam | louden_obscure: ? |
| 03:01.26 | louden_obscure | yes ta |
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| 03:01.46 | zepheir | This P166 is a bit slow... |
| 03:01.46 | Venson | Hey guys, what's the best way to play bin and/or dat files (movies, them both) under Debian? Xine doesn't support those formats i heard. |
| 03:01.47 | Grecko | What program could be used to filter out HTTP requests sent to a router, run a script and give it input based on the request, and then, if the script returns no errors, pass the results of the request onto the client? |
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| 03:01.49 | thomas_adam | ta as in "Thanks", or ta as in thomas_adam? |
| 03:02.02 | Guerin | Venson: neither bin nor dat is a movie format |
| 03:02.03 | jello | srbaker: i think it's in the wnpp faq |
| 03:02.04 | thomas_adam | Grecko: Something that you write. |
| 03:02.05 | maher | Venson: what format |
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| 03:02.11 | louden_obscure | both, sir |
| 03:02.17 | Grecko | thomas_adam~ How would I go about writing it? |
| 03:02.23 | thomas_adam | Grecko: vim |
| 03:02.28 | Eno_ | Venson, you can use mplayer to play them ... google for 'marillat' |
| 03:02.31 | Venson | Guerin, maher: I mean they have movies in them. |
| 03:02.37 | Venson | Eno_: Thanks |
| 03:02.43 | louden_obscure | marillat is down |
| 03:02.46 | thomas_adam | dpkg, ta? |
| 03:02.46 | dpkg | i guess ta is an abbreviation for thomas_adam |
| 03:02.50 | Guerin | Venson: they're just file extensions. Figure out how they're encoded, and play them that way |
| 03:02.59 | mickeyks | is there some linux app that plays m4a files, or do you have to convert it to mp3 first |
| 03:03.02 | Venson | louden_obscure: Got a better link that works or something? |
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| 03:03.05 | jello | louden_obscure: /msg dpkg mplayer for the new address |
| 03:03.18 | Eno_ | louden_obscure, i can access it |
| 03:03.20 | vladkao | thomas_adam: some people don't have tab completion or is your nick too long to type ? :) |
| 03:03.21 | Eno_ | hm |
| 03:03.31 | Guerin | Venson: xine or mplayer should play them regardless of the .foo extension, if they're encoded with somehting sane |
| 03:04.03 | omac | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main |
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| 03:04.12 | thomas_adam | vladkao: I don't know, but I use irssi, so it is not a problem. Of course, for all those Xchat whores, the latest CVS version has irssi-like tab completion which they removed from versions >=1.8.X because the developers are morons. |
| 03:04.12 | Venson | Guerin: Yeah, i should get mplayer. I heard Xine doesn't support playing those files. I installed pretty mcuh every available codec from the mplayer homepage |
| 03:04.19 | tony | w |
| 03:04.29 | omac | deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main |
| 03:04.32 | Guerin | !ta is also antipodean slang for "thank you". |
| 03:04.33 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 03:04.45 | Guerin | Venson: did you try playing them |
| 03:04.46 | Guerin | ? |
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| 03:05.03 | Venson | Guerin: In windows, it played under Mplayer. I have no doubt it will under linux too. |
| 03:05.13 | Venson | Guerin: Xine, however, complained about demuxers and what not |
| 03:05.48 | Venson | (the latter was under linux) |
| 03:05.49 | Guerin | Venson: right. both Xine and mplayer can play all the same things, given the right codecs, so I expect it'ss a codec issue, not a player issue. |
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| 03:06.10 | Venson | Guerin: We'll see, then. I'm gonna attempt installing Mplayer in a bit. |
| 03:06.27 | Guerin | but there is some variation in the quality of their output of certain files, so it's nice to use both, I reckon |
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| 03:07.07 | Venson | i've been favoring mplayer all these days. However, it looks like it isn't easily available for Debian. |
| 03:07.15 | Venson | I should try the latest marillat link |
| 03:07.39 | omac | http://www.headbands.com/gspot/gspot221.exe |
| 03:08.06 | Guerin | omac: that's really useful for linux, yeah |
| 03:08.11 | The_Vulture | indeed |
| 03:08.13 | omac | gspot is a video debugger tool to isolate which codec is missing. I have never used it since I don't have a windows box. |
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| 03:09.05 | omac | linux doesn't need a debugger for this. It outputs to stderr what you are missing and you go get it...simple. |
| 03:09.57 | omac | I have mplayer on my machine. There is also noatun and xine as everybody has mentioned. |
| 03:10.15 | Blissex | omac: VLC is also very very good. |
| 03:10.49 | omac | actually that was the very first one I tried a long time ago. I forgot that one...sorry. |
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| 03:11.27 | vladkao | huh chatzilla running on mozilla 1.6 :) |
| 03:11.43 | Venson | alright, then. i'll try out mplayer from marillat, if i'm able to get to the site this time around. I'll bbiab. Thanks for the help guys |
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| 03:13.30 | kratos | hey anyone think they can help with a cdrom problem? |
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| 03:13.57 | vladkao | kratos: wrong question :) |
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| 03:14.23 | louden_obscure | ok, i just apt-got (sorry, but apt-get-getted sounds wrong) 'apt-listbugs' and 'apt-listchanges'... |
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| 03:14.28 | leitao | kratos: ask the question directly. dont ask if you can ask. |
| 03:14.30 | kratos | vladkao: whacha mean? |
| 03:14.40 | kratos | ahh |
| 03:15.02 | kratos | well I've gotten data to work |
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| 03:15.18 | kratos | but plain audio cd's is another thing entirely |
| 03:15.29 | louden_obscure | how do i use 'apt-listbugs' and 'apt-listchanges' |
| 03:15.30 | maher | kratos: try xmcd |
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| 03:15.57 | kratos | audio works fine |
| 03:16.25 | kratos | can stream music and play files on my hard drive(mp3) |
| 03:16.32 | maher | kratos: use aumix to check the vols |
| 03:16.41 | vladkao | kratos: don't mount the audio CD |
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| 03:16.54 | McQuaid | i currently use xfce4 as my wm in sid |
| 03:17.05 | IceDC571 | hmm.. how would you ignore a package in apt-get? |
| 03:17.05 | McQuaid | when i go to upgrade any gtk2 app it wants to remove xfce4 |
| 03:17.31 | McQuaid | i thought this was because of gtk2.4 but i spoke to someone on #xfce and they use gtk2.4 and xfce4 with no probs in sid |
| 03:17.37 | louden_obscure | i guess i gotta read some man pages ....hasta |
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| 03:17.52 | leitao | who can i search for all .bin files in an directory and all its subdirectory? |
| 03:18.00 | vladkao | huh, that chatzilla was running on windows ;) |
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| 03:18.24 | cafuego | leitao: find /dir -name "*.bin" |
| 03:18.45 | wwardriver | can I use older themes with KDE3.x |
| 03:18.46 | leitao | cafuego : thx |
| 03:18.49 | omac | dir/s/b \*.bin |
| 03:19.00 | quinlan | is there a way to get dig to show the size (bytes in the query packet) of a DNS query? |
| 03:19.07 | quinlan | if not dig, then something else |
| 03:19.35 | zepheir | cafuego: Do you use a relayhost for email with postfix? |
| 03:19.46 | omac | That was in windows. But find / -name "*.bin" -print |
| 03:19.51 | omac | That's for linux |
| 03:19.57 | kratos | not mounted tried to point it to /dev/cdrom and xine said-- No input plugin found, Maybe the file does not exit, or has wrong permissions |
| 03:20.11 | cafuego | zepheir: No, I *am* the ISP for my domains :-) |
| 03:20.22 | kratos | but read is enabled for all |
| 03:20.33 | zepheir | cafuego: So, yeah...I need an account please. |
| 03:20.39 | zepheir | cafuego: ;P jk. |
| 03:20.40 | kratos | as well as everything else |
| 03:20.52 | maher | kratos: modprobe sg |
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| 03:21.01 | karsten | Sample lilo.conf: http://zgp.org/linux-elitists/20040108080011.GB1300@hockwold.net.html#20040113232605.GA25267@mcgroarty.net |
| 03:21.08 | cafuego | zepheir: i do have a weird-ass 3-server setup with avrious transports at the momnent (flipping mail handling over to a new, remote, fast server) |
| 03:21.16 | IceDC571 | how could you exclude a package from apt-get? |
| 03:21.28 | jello | IceDC571: put it on hold |
| 03:21.51 | zepheir | cafuego: Sounds complex. I'm just trying to get mutt to work with SMTP. Keep getting rejected by the relayhost though haha. |
| 03:22.49 | cafuego | zepheir: that's what TLS is for. |
| 03:23.14 | cafuego | zepheir: I require SMTP AUTH over an SSL connection from all smtp clients who want to relay email. |
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| 03:23.32 | omac | kratos...what do you have in your /etc/fstab? Do you have a line for your cdrom? |
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| 03:23.56 | zepheir | cafuego: What's TLS? And yeah, I figure that they require authentication, just don't know how to authenticate the outgoing emails. |
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| 03:24.23 | IceDC571 | jello, put apt-get on hold? |
| 03:24.27 | cafuego | zepheir: Easy, you can use saslauthd (it's in sasl2-bin) and set up smtp auth for postfix using pam |
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| 03:24.35 | harlequin | un apache-perl <none> (no description available) |
| 03:24.39 | harlequin | does that mean its not installed? |
| 03:24.43 | jello | IceDC571: no, the package you don't want to be upgraded |
| 03:24.44 | greycat | yes |
| 03:24.47 | kratos | it says /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom auto ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 03:24.58 | harlequin | greycat: yes too me? :P |
| 03:25.21 | maher | kratos: ok - run xmcd - point it to the cd - what error do you get |
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| 03:25.31 | grizzlybear | anyone know rather this new file system of m$oft (longhorn) is compatible with linuix anyhow? |
| 03:25.41 | kratos | maher: k one sec |
| 03:25.45 | maher | grizzlybear: it doesn't exist yet |
| 03:25.46 | drijen | grizzlybear: its ripped from BeOS and RISCos |
| 03:25.47 | vladkao | kratos: does /dev/cdrom point to the cd ? |
| 03:25.47 | omac | checkout xine and see if it's pointing to either /mnt/cdrom or /cdrom |
| 03:26.06 | qazix | grizzlybear: WinFS? It won't be, but AFAIK Microsoft decided to give up on it for now. |
| 03:26.47 | omac | I mean in xine preferences to checkout whether it is looking for /dev/cdrom or /cdrom or /mnt/cdrom |
| 03:26.53 | grzesiek | qazix they have more problems for a time being |
| 03:27.03 | oneo99 | is there any way to delete and reinstall all of X? |
| 03:27.03 | zepheir | cafuego: Thanks. I'll try that sometime. |
| 03:27.05 | grizzlybear | qazix: what's microsofte's vision about linux? they still trying to promote windows or trying to work with other OS? |
| 03:27.18 | qazix | grizzlybear: guess. |
| 03:27.36 | maher | grizzlybear: who cares what ms do |
| 03:27.41 | grizzlybear | qazix: dont look like it. boy am i typing good or what. |
| 03:27.44 | drijen | they're imanging a beret BMG, pointed at RMS, Linus, and RH |
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| 03:28.00 | Zap-W | why are linux people so anti MS |
| 03:28.00 | kratos | vladkao: /dev/cdrom -> /dev/cdrom |
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| 03:28.09 | vladkao | kratos: what ? |
| 03:28.11 | vladkao | hah |
| 03:28.12 | omac | kratos it is possible you have a cdrom labeled as /dev/scd0 or something like that. |
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| 03:28.26 | mickey_ | hello all... |
| 03:28.30 | vladkao | kratos: what's your CD drive? IDE/SCSI ? |
| 03:28.35 | kratos | vladkao: I believe it is actually /dev/hdc |
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| 03:28.46 | mickey_ | I can't get kde to start as my normal/default user, but it does for other users |
| 03:28.49 | drijen | Zap-W: www.fuckmicrosoft.com |
| 03:28.52 | vladkao | kratos: so what is it? /dev/cdrom or /dev/hdc ? |
| 03:29.00 | mickey_ | I have some kind of dcopserver error. |
| 03:29.04 | kratos | vladkao: /dev/hdc |
| 03:29.18 | vladkao | kratos: and that *is* the actual cdrom drive ? |
| 03:29.43 | kratos | vladkao: what do you mean? |
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| 03:29.48 | omac | micky_...that is maybe you have no dcopserverd daemon running. If you want it running just /etc/init.d/dcop... start |
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| 03:29.54 | greycat | Zap-W: one word: Palladium. |
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| 03:30.15 | mickey_ | omac: but it works for my other users |
| 03:30.19 | vladkao | kratos: nevermind. |
| 03:30.32 | qazix | greycat: it's called NGSCB (Next-Generation Secure Computing Base) now ;) |
| 03:30.46 | AMD_ | hey guys...using pppoe for my dsl connection. when i connect i get a message that says sumthin like "PPP session is 37504". Does this correlate to the connection speed that i am getting ? |
| 03:30.55 | qazix | and last I checked MS is endeavouring to come up with valid uses for it. |
| 03:30.55 | Xenguy | Zap-W: why should I rely on a foreign monopoly to run my computer? =) |
| 03:31.08 | qazix | as if that'll offset the bad points. |
| 03:31.09 | omac | micky_: What exactly is the dcopserver error your getting then. |
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| 03:31.18 | robink | Anyone know when the Mono packages will be migrated into debian sarge? |
| 03:31.22 | robink | Rather, the mono 1.0 packages? |
| 03:31.27 | mickey_ | AMD_, no, that's the process number |
| 03:31.30 | greycat | robink: /msg dpkg testing excuses |
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| 03:31.39 | AMD_ | mickey_, nope. no process with that id |
| 03:31.46 | mickey_ | "check to make sure dcopserver is running" |
| 03:32.01 | mickey_ | AMD_, it may morph into another process |
| 03:32.11 | greycat | pids over 32767 are rare... |
| 03:32.18 | harlequin | whats the package for mod_proxy in debian? i cant find it properly throgh search |
| 03:32.27 | bonez39 | anyone around right now? what does it mean when I get a 403 forbidden ip address error? running apt-get |
| 03:32.28 | omac | micky_: ....ps efax|grep dcopser |
| 03:32.35 | mickey_ | you can check your speed by d/l something, or trying out dslreports.com |
| 03:32.38 | greycat | harlequin: apache? |
| 03:32.45 | AMD_ | mickey_, i think it has sumthin to do with my speed. at 37,000 or so i get a 768 connection. when i am having slow speeds (rain outside) it says the session is around 13,000 and i get around 128k. |
| 03:32.48 | bonez39 | er......what does that error mean, the 403 forbidden error? |
| 03:32.53 | greycat | bonez39: same thing it means when you get it in your web browser |
| 03:33.10 | greycat | bonez39: "Permission denied" usually. |
| 03:33.14 | bonez39 | greycat: just an unavailable server, when I run apt-get? |
| 03:33.29 | eclipsex | i am having a problem with my network interface it wants to be ipv6 and it needs to be ipv4 |
| 03:33.41 | greycat | READ IT, damn you. How could the server give you an error if it's "unavailable"? |
| 03:33.41 | eclipsex | i installed the mods for it |
| 03:33.46 | bonez39 | greycat: ok...I got the source.list entry ....associated with the error from apt-get.org...could it just be a bad source? |
| 03:33.57 | robink | Is there an IPv6 IRC server for freenode in the US? |
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| 03:34.06 | eclipsex | no |
| 03:34.08 | maher | bonez39: what error do you get? |
| 03:34.08 | bonez39 | greycat: sorry.....I'll cease and desists for the day |
| 03:34.10 | eclipsex | this is another machine |
| 03:34.45 | eclipsex | the ipv6 interface is talking to a router ... the router says i am ipv4 it works for a little bit and then shits out if you try and talk for more than 30 seconds |
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| 03:34.51 | maher | bonez39: don't msg me - talk in the channel |
| 03:34.53 | kratos | maher: k it says could not open config file: /usr/share/xmcd/config/hdc , could be fault of hastie set up though |
| 03:34.59 | IceDC571 | hmm im typing 'apt-get --ignore-hold packagename' and its not working |
| 03:35.04 | elf | hey |
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| 03:35.09 | eclipsex | hey |
| 03:35.25 | maher | kratos: ok - use someother prog then |
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| 03:36.08 | greycat | and it's not electric |
| 03:36.14 | bonez39 | Here's the exact message: 403 Forbidden [IP: 130.239.18.137] |
| 03:36.14 | helix | boogy woogy woogy |
| 03:36.27 | maher | bonez39: don't message me - just remove the line from sources.list |
| 03:36.29 | greycat | bonez39: have you ever used a WEB BROWSER before? |
| 03:36.41 | kratos | any ideas on the cd? it does data fine but no audio cd's |
| 03:37.12 | maher | kratos: find a proggie that works that will look at your cd and tell us what the error is |
| 03:37.24 | kratos | I also have a dvd player and the same story there, works fine for data dvd's but nothing else |
| 03:37.40 | bonez39 | es tut mir leid...greycat und maher...ich bin der arschloch heute... |
| 03:37.52 | vladkao | helix: been to the store ? in pijamas ? :) |
| 03:38.04 | bonez39 | greycat: it's a new error to me.....yes, I use a browser every day...just is a new curve at me.. |
| 03:38.04 | omac | kratos:....umount /dev/cdrom; kscd & |
| 03:38.11 | bonez39 | maher: sorry... |
| 03:38.15 | greycat | am I expecting too much? |
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| 03:38.29 | vladkao | greycat: hah |
| 03:38.37 | bonez39 | greycat: not at all...I am the asshole here..ok/....you have clearly established that fact... |
| 03:38.45 | kratos | omac: no kscd, xmms, xine, vlc |
| 03:39.06 | kratos | omac: you want me to instal it? |
| 03:39.27 | vladkao | kratos: sure. you can install a console cdplayer too |
| 03:39.50 | maher | kratos: try abcde |
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| 03:40.27 | omac | How about grip? install grip or use kaudiocreator. Both allow you to play the cd before selecting which files to %#$ :) |
| 03:40.54 | greycat | that's the worst typo of "rip" I've ever seen |
| 03:41.20 | simonrvn | there's always a first time |
| 03:41.25 | vladkao | haha |
| 03:41.45 | omac | I'm trying desperately to stay legit here and you blurt that word out :) |
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| 03:41.53 | greycat | !info grip |
| 03:42.04 | dpkg | grip: (GNOME-based CD-player/ripper/encoder), section gnome, is optional. Version: 3.2.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 427 kB, Installed size: 1012 kB |
| 03:42.05 | simonrvn | omac: what's wrong with ripping stuff you own? |
| 03:42.07 | greycat | what's non-legit about ripping CDs? |
| 03:42.07 | omac | He did it again :) |
| 03:42.40 | maher | omac: you seem to be confused about the legality of common activities |
| 03:42.47 | greycat | someone's brain has been poisoned by the American corporate big-money interests |
| 03:42.54 | omac | Nothing I think but I just don't want to get in trouble that's all. I don't really keep up with the lawyer stuff with napster and all. |
| 03:42.55 | simonrvn | our supreme court is at least semi-intelligent... |
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| 03:43.03 | simonrvn | greycat: bingo |
| 03:43.31 | maher | omac: yes - its dangerous to do anything except things large corporations tell you it sok to do |
| 03:43.39 | greycat | simonrvn: don't put *too* much faith in the supreme court |
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| 03:43.51 | useless__ | anyone know how to edit the subject of mail as they pass through your exim mail server? |
| 03:43.59 | greycat | useless__: that would be unethical |
| 03:44.01 | simonrvn | greycat: i ours isn't perfect either, but they made a good decision recently here |
| 03:44.02 | Misirlou | omac: You are being just a tad too paranoid. |
| 03:44.08 | kratos | k grip can't seem to find my cd |
| 03:44.12 | simonrvn | greycat: s/i/i know/ |
| 03:44.16 | maher | kratos: what error |
| 03:44.23 | greycat | kratos: did you tell it the correct device? |
| 03:44.56 | useless__ | greycat: Didnt think of that. I wanted to add "spam: " to subjects of mail destined for my network so users can filter on those subjects |
| 03:44.58 | omac | It's in my personality....I'm just an anxious worrisome kind of guy :) I've learned to calm down over the years thought :) |
| 03:45.10 | Guerin | speaking of ethical considerations and entertainment, big ups to Michael Moore for oking downloads of fahrenheit 9/11 |
| 03:45.10 | kratos | greycat: yes hdc |
| 03:45.10 | greycat | useless__: oh, spamassassin can do that |
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| 03:45.15 | simonrvn | useless__: so do that. that's what a config file is for |
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| 03:45.31 | kratos | greycat: also tried /dev/cdrom for consitency |
| 03:45.42 | useless__ | simonrvn: you mean exim spam filters can do that as well? |
| 03:45.52 | greycat | kratos: what is the error? |
| 03:45.57 | kratos | just says no tracks selected no errors even in status |
| 03:46.07 | runa | hey :) does usb-uhci includes support for usb 2.0? how can I check if my hardware supports usb2.0 (I've been told that it does, but I would like to check it) |
| 03:46.18 | grizzlybear | drijen: is RISCos free? |
| 03:46.24 | greycat | runa: no, 2.0 is usb-ehci |
| 03:46.34 | omac | Kratos does that mean your cd player is playing now? |
| 03:46.43 | kratos | omac: no |
| 03:46.49 | kratos | nothing |
| 03:46.55 | runa | greycat: usb-ehci doesn't exists on kernel 2.4.x ? (I only have ehci-hcd) |
| 03:47.10 | kratos | also says no disc |
| 03:47.11 | Guerin | runa: the module name just changed. That's the same |
| 03:47.15 | useless__ | greycat: sounds good.. thanks i'll look into it. |
| 03:47.16 | simonrvn | useless__: you could probably do a headers_add X-SpamExim or something |
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| 03:47.35 | greycat | kratos: so. you put a pressed AUDIO cd in the drive. Then you typed "grip --device=/dev/hdc". What does it do? |
| 03:47.40 | runa | Guerin: do I have to load it instead of usb-uhci or after it? |
| 03:47.43 | useless__ | simonrvn: thanks.. that gives me somewhere to start looking. |
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| 03:48.03 | maher | kratos: try cdparanoia -Q /dev/hdc |
| 03:48.28 | vladkao | kratos: we want error messages :) |
| 03:48.39 | kratos | greycat: same pulls up grip says started succesfully but no tracks selected (no listed either) |
| 03:48.41 | maher | runa: load both |
| 03:48.52 | Guerin | runa: instead |
| 03:49.00 | Guerin | maher: hrm, ok... |
| 03:49.05 | vladkao | kratos: try changing the CDROM :) |
| 03:49.22 | kratos | vladkao: says I/O erro dev 16:00 (hdc), sector 72 |
| 03:49.42 | maher | Guerin: at least i have both loaded |
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| 03:49.50 | kratos | vladkao: hdc: command error: status=0x51 {DriveReady SeekComplete Error} |
| 03:49.54 | Guerin | maher: well, it can't hurt :) |
| 03:50.13 | runa | maher: I can't load ehci-hcd! how can I check if my HW is usb 2.0 compatible? |
| 03:50.23 | maher | kratos: what kernel |
| 03:50.32 | vladkao | kratos: so changing the audio CD with another one makes any difference ? |
| 03:50.37 | maher | runa: modprobe ehci-hcd |
| 03:50.37 | greycat | runa: lspci | grep USB |
| 03:50.50 | kratos | maher: 2.4.25-1-386 |
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| 03:51.04 | kratos | vladkao: no, no deferience |
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| 03:51.49 | kratos | ahh got an error from grip, Unalbe to initialize [/dev/hdc] |
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| 03:52.15 | greycat | kratos: this smells like a hardware problem to me. Bad IDE cable? Broken CD-ROM drive? |
| 03:52.23 | vladkao | kratos: you sure that /dev/hdc is your cdrom ? |
| 03:52.39 | kratos | greycat: dual boot, works in windows 2000 |
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| 03:52.46 | omac | what's debian's hardware wizard called? Redhat has kudzu, Mandrake has harddrak Debian is??? anyone? |
| 03:52.49 | greycat | kratos: dmesg | grep hdc | head -2 |
| 03:52.52 | maher | kratos: can you paste lsmod in #flood |
| 03:52.57 | zepheir | Hmm..I don't get it. Got PHP installed, however when I check a test PHP file I've written, Mozilla tries to download the file. |
| 03:52.59 | greycat | omac: you're joking. Right? |
| 03:53.18 | vladkao | omac: mandrake's is harddrake |
| 03:53.22 | maher | zepheir: read the readme in the /usr/share/doc/php dir |
| 03:53.42 | omac | I know kudzu is what I used for Debian but I thought there was another one that kratos might want to use? |
| 03:53.49 | simonrvn | omac: you might as well be typing in binary for the little sense that made |
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| 03:54.06 | greycat | no, he doesn't want to use a "hardware wizard"/ |
| 03:54.21 | kratos | greycat: ide1: bm-dma at .oxd808-0xd80f, bios settings: hdc:dma hdd:dma hdc: Sony cd-rw crx1611, atapi cd/dvd-rom drive |
| 03:54.36 | sussudio | omac: i believe the "hardware wizard" is called "non-fucktarded user" |
| 03:54.37 | greycat | kratos: you *typed* all that? |
| 03:54.50 | kratos | yup |
| 03:54.58 | sgeigerbot | omac: what are you trying to set up now? |
| 03:55.02 | greycat | someone please teach kratos how to paste |
| 03:55.07 | omac | nothing. |
| 03:55.16 | greycat | anyway, it looks like hdc is the correct device |
| 03:55.17 | kratos | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.17 | kratos | hdc: SONY CD-RW CRX1611, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 03:55.20 | kratos | got it |
| 03:55.23 | vladkao | !win kratos |
| 03:55.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, kratos! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 03:55.29 | sgeigerbot | omac: General advice: Looking for commands to use to get a list of your hardware and what device it uses? Look into /proc directory. Also check out lspci, dmesg, pnpdump, cardctl, isapnpdump, lsusb, usbview |
| 03:55.34 | simonrvn | kratos: select with left mouse button, paste with middle mouse button. that goes for both x and console - if you have gpm installed |
| 03:55.59 | maher | kratos: can you paste lsmod in #flood |
| 03:56.04 | vladkao | simonrvn: i prefer pasting with the right mouse button (needs a little tweaking for gpm thogh) |
| 03:56.16 | simonrvn | omac: spend a good hour or 2 looking in /proc with mc. go have some fun |
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| 03:56.48 | sgeigerbot | omac: I think what these guys were trying to say is: try to understand what's going on rather than to use some BS program called a "Wizard" Then you have knowledge that transcends distros. |
| 03:56.53 | kratos | maher: k pasting in about 5 secs |
| 03:57.08 | simonrvn | kratos: not here, in #flood |
| 03:57.24 | maher | kratos: if its a cdrw are you trying to use scsi emulation on it by any chance? |
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| 03:57.52 | rassputyn | ima li balgari tuk breee |
| 03:57.53 | rassputyn | ima li balgari tuk breee |
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| 03:58.01 | omac | :) |
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| 03:58.05 | zepheir | maher: Hah..Thanks. Fixed it. |
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| 03:58.10 | sussudio | this was an informational message from the country of fucktardia |
| 03:58.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
| 03:58.22 | Xm4n | Woody is such a NeAt release :) |
| 03:58.22 | maher | zepheir: have fun... |
| 03:58.28 | vladkao | sussudio: don't say so, i'm Bulgarian |
| 03:58.33 | greycat | yes. woody is awesome. |
| 03:58.36 | kratos | simonrvn: got it don't worry |
| 03:58.38 | kratos | maher: didn't intentionally set it up that way |
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| 03:58.40 | kratos | maher: so probabley not |
| 03:58.44 | simonrvn | vladkao: what does fuctardia have to do with bulgaria? |
| 03:58.50 | simonrvn | k |
| 03:58.55 | Xm4n | I wonder how long woody will be kept in APT after sarge enters in stable ? |
| 03:59.01 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: get out your atlas. |
| 03:59.02 | Manini | hi everyone |
| 03:59.08 | vladkao | simonrvn: rassputyn (the nick) was talking in bulgarian |
| 03:59.08 | greycat | Xm4n: potato was supported for about 1 year |
| 03:59.26 | maher | kratos: try cdparanoia -Q /dev/scd0 |
| 03:59.27 | Xm4n | greycat: Yes, its so cool ,all problems that have happened in sarge are gone in woody :) |
| 03:59.30 | greycat | vladkao: he was also talking in moron. |
| 03:59.42 | vladkao | greycat: yes, so i don't mind banning him |
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| 03:59.51 | Manini | question, if i want to install the bf2.4 flavor, do i still need the generic disk? |
| 04:00.07 | Xm4n | I see,so after sarge enters in stable we can still enjoy using woody for about 1 year ,good |
| 04:00.22 | greycat | and Manini squeeeeeeezes in one last Sunday question *just* before the deadline! |
| 04:00.29 | Manini | lol |
| 04:00.32 | Guerin | Xm4n: because woody doesn't change, you can go on using it until the end of forever, if you want |
| 04:00.38 | kratos | maher: it didn't like the syntax and spit out command options menu |
| 04:00.41 | greycat | !sunday |
| 04:00.41 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 04:00.54 | harlequin | anyone know anything about cyrus? |
| 04:00.54 | simonrvn | Guerin: no, he'd have to switch to oldstable |
| 04:00.58 | maher | kratos: paste what it said in flood |
| 04:01.05 | simonrvn | harlequin: #cyrus does |
| 04:01.09 | runa | grrr.. the hardware seems to be USB 2.0, usb-uhci loads perfectly but I can't load ehci-hcd |
| 04:01.11 | kratos | maher: k |
| 04:01.13 | harlequin | simonrvn: empty ;) |
| 04:01.14 | runa | any other ideas? |
| 04:01.17 | Guerin | simonrvn: it'd still be woody, though. As it is now. |
| 04:01.22 | vladkao | greycat: as i investigate it deeper he is from my town (what a shame :( ) |
| 04:01.41 | Xm4n | Guerin: I see,by the way,support xft/xft2 or no it depends on the version of xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 04:01.44 | simonrvn | Guerin: yes |
| 04:01.50 | greycat | vladkao: then you can go beat him with a cluebat |
| 04:01.51 | maher | runa: what error do you get on modprobe eh... |
| 04:01.56 | Manini | anyone know? |
| 04:02.06 | greycat | Manini: what the fuck is a "generic disk"? |
| 04:02.06 | Guerin | Xm4n: sorry, I cna't parse that |
| 04:02.12 | Manini | the disk 1 |
| 04:02.15 | maher | kratos: paste what you typed |
| 04:02.16 | simonrvn | greycat: oh so sarge *is* releasing? |
| 04:02.17 | Xm4n | ok |
| 04:02.26 | greycat | Manini: CD #1 is all you've ever needed. Period. For ANY of the images. |
| 04:02.28 | vladkao | greycat: you bet! |
| 04:02.30 | Xm4n | Guerin: anyway,i like this xtt thing much better than xft/xft2 :) |
| 04:02.31 | harlequin | simonrvn: im just having a little trouble with auth i think |
| 04:02.40 | greycat | simonrvn: it's supposed to release... |
| 04:02.46 | runa | maher: /lib/modules/2.4.26-1-686-smp/kernel/drivers/usb/host/ehci-hcd.o: init_module: No such device and nothing on dmesg |
| 04:02.46 | simonrvn | nods |
| 04:03.02 | Manini | greycat: so ur saying i need the cd 1 and the bf2.4 if i want to do that install? |
| 04:03.08 | simonrvn | if it does, this will feel like potato -> woody |
| 04:03.11 | Xm4n | Guerin: yes,maybe for you you never worried 'locales' problem,because you speak english ?for us non-english speakers,its very important |
| 04:03.12 | maher | runa: hmm... dunno |
| 04:03.18 | greycat | Manini: if you are installing from CDs, you need CD #1. |
| 04:03.34 | Guerin | Xm4n: who mentioned locales? |
| 04:03.36 | greycat | Manini: you don't need whatever OTHER cd you downloaded |
| 04:03.41 | sgeigerbot | Manini: There's a CD that has "bf2.4" in the name. find it. |
| 04:03.45 | greycat | JUST. CD. ONE. |
| 04:03.47 | maher | kratos: ok - that'e enough cdparanoia output - type what you wrote that produced it |
| 04:03.52 | Manini | sgeigerbot: thats the one im talking about |
| 04:03.52 | greycat | sgeigerbot: it's #1. |
| 04:03.55 | greycat | sgeigerbot: CD #1. |
| 04:03.57 | greycat | sgeigerbot: the first one. |
| 04:04.00 | greycat | sgeigerbot: CD 1. |
| 04:04.03 | Manini | ok then |
| 04:04.04 | sgeigerbot | greycat: It's Monday already. Give him some slack. |
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| 04:04.08 | greycat | CD 1 has bf2.4 on it. |
| 04:04.10 | Manini | thanks greycat |
| 04:04.14 | greycat | sgeigerbot: you should know better, damn it. |
| 04:04.16 | Guerin | !beer greycat |
| 04:04.17 | Manini | sorry, it's my first time on deb |
| 04:04.38 | Xm4n | Guerin: well,I mean the xft/xft2/xtt thing affect all non-english speakers when using linux |
| 04:04.40 | sussudio | ok, i give up. what would cause a mouse to work on a serial port, but not a modem? |
| 04:04.47 | vladkao | greycat: feeling like flooding ? :) |
| 04:04.51 | greycat | sussudio: a bad serial cable? |
| 04:04.56 | sussudio | greycat: tried 3 |
| 04:05.01 | sgeigerbot | greycat: 404 Error: Understanding Not Found |
| 04:05.02 | greycat | vladkao: debhelper will happily kick me if I do |
| 04:05.16 | Xm4n | Guerin: different choices result in different outcomes in displaying proper fonts in their own mother tongues |
| 04:05.18 | sussudio | greycat: also tried different modems, btw. |
| 04:05.27 | Guerin | Xm4n: I passsed no judgment on whether it was good, I just had NFI what you'd said, because your sentence was garbled. |
| 04:05.28 | Manini | guys, thank you very much for your help, take care |
| 04:05.32 | vladkao | greycat: j/k |
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| 04:05.34 | greycat | sussudio: a bad TX pin? (or does the mouse actually receive data from the host?) |
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| 04:05.48 | troubled | simonrvn: bah |
| 04:05.49 | Guerin | Xm4n: I know that, thanks. |
| 04:06.07 | sussudio | greycat: well there was lightning 2 days ago and the circuitbreaker went off. after that the modem stopped responding. |
| 04:06.11 | kratos | maher: k |
| 04:06.21 | kratos | maher: its there |
| 04:06.24 | Xm4n | Guerin: BY the way,woody support Chinese perfectly,only after severel steps i have a neat Chinese environment in woody now ,here is the pic taken in my system -> ftp://linuxfire:linuxfire@linuxfire.dhis.org/pub/Mozilla.png |
| 04:06.24 | simonrvn | troubled: where have *you* been, you buggerererer ? :) |
| 04:06.24 | greycat | sussudio: bummer. |
| 04:06.30 | troubled | simonrvn: ;) |
| 04:06.36 | troubled | simonrvn: long story heh |
| 04:06.37 | Guerin | sussudio: that sucks. Can you sue the circuitbreaker manufacturer? |
| 04:06.43 | simonrvn | troubled: np :) |
| 04:06.44 | sussudio | greycat: a mouse happily works on the same port. |
| 04:06.44 | maher | kratos: Q |
| 04:06.59 | troubled | simonrvn: on the plus side, I figured out why I was getting the wrong ip from cable modem |
| 04:07.00 | omac | :) |
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| 04:07.05 | McQuaid | hello all |
| 04:07.07 | kratos | maher: did you see it? |
| 04:07.09 | simonrvn | troubled: cool |
| 04:07.10 | sussudio | Guerin: powercompany blabla disclaimer acts of god and badgers etc |
| 04:07.16 | simonrvn | troubled: i'm building openca |
| 04:07.22 | McQuaid | i just upgraded synaptic to the latest and it just exits when i try to upgrade a pkg |
| 04:07.23 | troubled | simonrvn: my isp servers dont base it on the mac it seems but rather on the vendor address as well |
| 04:07.29 | maher | kratos: Q not O |
| 04:07.31 | McQuaid | i also couldn't seem to get filters to work |
| 04:07.32 | simonrvn | troubled: oh yuck |
| 04:07.36 | troubled | simonrvn: ahh nice. I tried that once but too much to setup |
| 04:07.57 | maher | kratos: cdparanoia -Q /dev/scd0 |
| 04:08.00 | kratos | maher: the look the same in my font you'll have to specify what and where |
| 04:08.03 | simonrvn | troubled: i figure it's worth it - so as to have one F/free CA on the 'net |
| 04:08.15 | maher | kratos: get a font that enable you to distinguish letters |
| 04:08.26 | McQuaid | i tried to run synaptic from a xterm but i can't as root, xauth merge ~mcquaid/.Xauthority used to work for allowing me to run apps as root |
| 04:08.29 | kratos | maher: cdparanoia -big o /dev/scdZERO right? |
| 04:08.30 | troubled | simonrvn: ya, so I was getting a new, hence wrong, ip each time with dhclient. I couldnt get dhclient to send the vendor id of (get this!) "MSFT 98" that my dlink seems to be sending (or perhaps it was cable modem sending?) |
| 04:08.34 | McQuaid | but for some reason doesn't work anymore |
| 04:08.42 | greycat | kratos: no. |
| 04:08.43 | maher | kratos Q for QUESTION |
| 04:08.48 | maher | kratos: change font |
| 04:08.49 | troubled | simonrvn: you seen the news of that open ca in .au? |
| 04:08.50 | simonrvn | troubled: eew. poor you |
| 04:09.00 | omac | I gather by the info he got it's /dev/scd0 for kratos' cd :) Yes it is /dev/scdZero |
| 04:09.07 | simonrvn | troubled: no, but they'll be in .ca ;) |
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| 04:09.20 | kratos | ahhh!!!!!! |
| 04:09.33 | troubled | simonrvn: tell me about it, had to switch to pump and make the inter face static and use up commmand with pump commands since ifup doesnt up it with the --win-client-identd option by default....*sigh* |
| 04:09.36 | kratos | Q |
| 04:09.43 | maher | sigh |
| 04:09.48 | omac | sigh |
| 04:09.51 | troubled | simonrvn: needless to say its been an interesting evening ;) |
| 04:10.02 | omac | :O |
| 04:10.02 | simonrvn | troubled: heh. well, WB :) |
| 04:10.04 | omac | :) |
| 04:10.08 | troubled | simonrvn: ty! :) |
| 04:10.18 | troubled | simonrvn: thats not even including my firewall snafoos |
| 04:10.30 | kratos | sorry about that |
| 04:10.31 | omac | |O |
| 04:10.36 | McQuaid | any suggestions? i really rely on synaptic for updating pkgs |
| 04:10.38 | omac | Good night |
| 04:10.45 | simonrvn | troubled: psad is working very nicely. staved off a potential attack earlier |
| 04:10.46 | troubled | simonrvn: I shut down during long power failure from thunder storm we just had and I forgot to save a firewall I was working on heh |
| 04:10.47 | Guerin | Xm4n: it's unwise to use ftp logins in cleartext. |
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| 04:10.59 | simonrvn | troubled: oh no :( |
| 04:10.59 | Guerin | Xm4n: I'm glad to see you have ssh turned off for that user. |
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| 04:11.02 | kratos | maher: ready for flood? |
| 04:11.07 | troubled | simonrvn: :( |
| 04:11.13 | maher | kratos: ok - in #flood |
| 04:11.28 | troubled | simonrvn: but hey, least I got the nic's and stuff all moved around |
| 04:11.35 | simonrvn | cool |
| 04:12.01 | simonrvn | troubled: well, it's pretty easy, since i already have ldap and postgres running ;) |
| 04:12.06 | troubled | :) |
| 04:12.09 | troubled | go postgres! |
| 04:12.12 | maher | kratos: paste the command you type as well as the output |
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| 04:12.28 | troubled | simonrvn: im still debating ldap :) |
| 04:12.53 | Snadder_ | anyone know how I should get a digital camera working.. with usb? |
| 04:13.08 | maher | Snadder_: try gphoto/2 |
| 04:13.10 | Snadder_ | the camera is using a masse store device |
| 04:13.13 | zignig | troubled: don't it is cool , once you work out what the hell is going on. |
| 04:13.13 | troubled | simonrvn: actually, I would like to mess with ipsec now that the server isnt behind nat :) and shaping too |
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| 04:13.31 | troubled | zignig: dont what? |
| 04:13.36 | troubled | ldap? |
| 04:13.43 | Snadder_ | maher, i'm trying gtkam, but it wont connect to the camera |
| 04:13.51 | simonrvn | ldap is teh r0x0r |
| 04:14.11 | zignig | troubled: don't debate using ldap , just d00 it (tm) :) |
| 04:14.23 | Snadder_ | maher, when I plug in the camera.. it dosnt say that its a masse storage device.. only a usb device |
| 04:14.37 | maher | Snadder_: is your camera supported by gphoto? |
| 04:14.38 | troubled | simonrvn: i get worried sometimes about putting everything in big complex systems like ldap and postgres, espcially when its login info or info needed to run the system normally |
| 04:14.46 | troubled | zignig: aye! |
| 04:14.54 | Snadder_ | ...one line like this: Jul 5 05:56:11 DFG kernel: usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using address 4 |
| 04:15.05 | Snadder_ | maher, I have no idea |
| 04:15.13 | maher | Snadder_: find out? |
| 04:15.16 | troubled | simonrvn: can you refresh dns zone ok? |
| 04:15.21 | simonrvn | troubled: well, sane thing is to have system stuff in unix, and other less critical stuff in ldap. like don't go putting cron and such in ldap ;) |
| 04:15.28 | Snadder_ | maher, its hp photosmart 433 |
| 04:15.31 | zepheir | I used sg_utils to get my digicam working..but that was a while back. |
| 04:15.50 | maher | Snadder_: look on the ghoto website |
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| 04:16.20 | troubled | simonrvn: honestly, I think the best setup for any server would be to have select few standard accounts built in for admin console logins and everyone else virtual in ldap/odbc |
| 04:16.38 | simonrvn | troubled: a lot of big systems do that |
| 04:16.46 | troubled | by odbc im refering to any RDBMS etc. |
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| 04:17.05 | simonrvn | so *say* RDBMS then :) |
| 04:17.13 | sussudio | troubled: Redudant Deviant Badger Mushroom Snakes? |
| 04:17.16 | troubled | simonrvn: sorry, brain in another timezone ;) |
| 04:17.21 | troubled | ha |
| 04:17.30 | Xm4n | Guerin: Ok,let me tell them |
| 04:17.43 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: how long dit it take you to think that one up? |
| 04:17.56 | troubled | sgeigerbot: prolly been saving it for a few months :) |
| 04:17.56 | vladkao | sussudio: haha |
| 04:17.59 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: 2.4 seconds |
| 04:18.21 | troubled | lol |
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| 04:18.35 | Snadder_ | maher, gphoto2 --list-cameras gave the output "HP PhotoSmart 43x (PTP mode)" |
| 04:18.39 | sussudio | sgeigerbot: with you in the area, it must be at 100% utilization |
| 04:18.51 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: But of course. |
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| 04:19.15 | maher | Snadder_: try gphoto2 -p |
| 04:19.23 | troubled | shit, you put one of those in this channel and it would explode from the sheer amount of BS ;) |
| 04:19.39 | troubled | sgeigerbot: hey, weve got our sitcoms and soaps too |
| 04:19.51 | vladkao | sgeigerbot: you addicted monkey ;) |
| 04:20.10 | sgeigerbot | troubled: did you see the one in which greycat was abusing me? |
| 04:20.28 | Snadder_ | maher, that require an digit behind the option, -p --get-file range |
| 04:20.34 | troubled | sgeigerbot: got the whole set of those |
| 04:20.38 | maher | Snadder_: try -P |
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| 04:20.55 | sussudio | !canucksmite omac |
| 04:20.55 | Snadder_ | Could not detect any camera, *** Error (-105: 'Unknown model') *** |
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| 04:21.08 | Snadder_ | seems like it dosnt work |
| 04:21.13 | omac | maher is the man. He fixed kratos's problem :) |
| 04:21.16 | wm_eddie | I'm getting sick and tired of APT right now... |
| 04:21.30 | kratos | yup, he is THE MAN |
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| 04:22.08 | sgeigerbot | You non-USians sure are missing a wonderful evening of sulfur in your lungs. |
| 04:22.29 | skorpfox | im glad I am not there for that this year |
| 04:22.30 | omac | Buenos Nachos ! Oyasumi Nasai. Bonne nuit :) |
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| 04:22.34 | Snadder_ | maher, lol.. seems like my camera is out of battery |
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| 04:23.04 | troubled | simonrvn: LQQK ---> |
| 04:23.13 | kratos | sweet that fixed my dvd problem as well!!!! |
| 04:23.32 | mickeyks | how can i play m4a files? |
| 04:24.01 | Snadder_ | maher, thanks alot.. worked now.. with new batteries:)) |
| 04:24.08 | McQuaid | is anyone familar with problems with synaptic? i upgraded to latest and now it just exits when applying any updates to pkgs |
| 04:24.12 | sussudio | mickeyks: i believe midget pr0n is penix's area |
| 04:24.33 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: have you tried mplayer yet? |
| 04:24.43 | mickeyks | sussudio: they're audio files, so that would be a weird fetish |
| 04:25.00 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: no, just xmms |
| 04:25.05 | sussudio | mickeyks: appearently you haven't heard Penix's extensive collection of midget grunting |
| 04:25.11 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: It should work... |
| 04:25.19 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: with mplayer |
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| 04:25.36 | mickeyks | ok i'll try it |
| 04:25.48 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: Just remember: mplayer plays almost anything |
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| 04:26.18 | Breeg | Hey. I've got a Sarge system up and running. I downloaded some .deb files on this system and transferred them to the Sarge box. How can I tell apt to unpack the deb file and put the files where they should be? It keeps going on about a package master file or something... |
| 04:26.40 | zignig | Breeg: dpkg -i <package> |
| 04:26.49 | Breeg | oh.. ok, thanks. |
| 04:27.04 | berryman | anyone using pmdisk on kernel 2.6? |
| 04:27.27 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: converting m4a to mp3: http://www.start-linux.com/forum/read.php?f=2&i=1206&t=1206 |
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| 04:30.21 | McQuaid | does anyone use synaptic here? |
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| 04:31.00 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: can ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ be used as an apt-get archive for mplayer? |
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| 04:31.26 | sgeigerbot | !+mplayer |
| 04:31.26 | dpkg | methinks mplayer is at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ , or for debian packages, see http://hpisi.nerim.net/, or the url for debian packages moved to ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/; as for why mplayer isn't in debian, ask me about <mplayer license> |
| 04:31.35 | mickeyks | right |
| 04:31.41 | mickeyks | i already read that, that's where i got the ftp address |
| 04:31.51 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: argh...that doesn't mention the fakeroot part: rumour has it, mplayer is at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/; download the source and build your own .deb with just one command in the source directory: "fakeroot debian/rules binary"; you may need to install libpng2-dev and libgtk1.2-dev first,libsdl1.2-dev if you want SDL support, or see http://marillat.free.fr/ for sources.list, or able to play Sorenson Video 3 without libwi |
| 04:31.51 | sgeigerbot | ne now! (--enable-qtx-codecs), or dh_testdir errors can be fixed by installing debhelper |
| 04:32.42 | mickeyks | oh |
| 04:33.02 | `coma | i use this in my sources list for apt-get mplayer deb http://debian.uni-klu.ac.at/PLAYERS/ stable main |
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| 04:33.36 | overflow | `coma, use marillat :) |
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| 04:34.21 | mickeyks | thanks `coma |
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| 04:34.35 | Justin | hmmmm, how can I check what process is using what port ? |
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| 04:34.57 | sgeigerbot | Justin: fuser |
| 04:35.17 | mickeyks | `coma: interesting, your ulr is different from all the others |
| 04:35.34 | `coma | it works |
| 04:36.23 | mickeyks | i can't resolve marillat anyway |
| 04:36.32 | `coma | deb-src http://debian.uni-klu.ac.at/PLAYERS-SRC/ unstable main |
| 04:37.01 | mickeyks | actually just the testing deb is fine |
| 04:37.16 | mickeyks | i guess i can use your stable line above with testing instead of stabel |
| 04:37.21 | mickeyks | s/le/le |
| 04:37.27 | mickeyks | s/el/le |
| 04:37.30 | mickeyks | :P |
| 04:37.51 | Justin | okay, i got that |
| 04:38.04 | sgeigerbot | Justin: what did you use? |
| 04:38.16 | edx | anyone else flooded with JEDEC messages in there dmesg? |
| 04:38.52 | Justin | now, one more question. How do I enable disk quotas on debian? I installed disk quotas feature, and I setup the filesystem to support it, but quotaon does noting |
| 04:39.05 | Justin | sgeigerbot- killed the process running it |
| 04:39.21 | sgeigerbot | Justin: I was just curious: which command(s) did you use? |
| 04:39.28 | edx | I have almost 36 in here JEDEC: Found no ICH2 rom device at location zero? Pretty sure I dont have the device it is looking for? |
| 04:40.28 | Justin | sgeigerbot- I knew what the process name was. I typed ps -x| grep webmin |
| 04:40.32 | edx | is it an apic thing? |
| 04:40.51 | wpostma | edx: What kind of motherboard do you have? |
| 04:40.54 | sgeigerbot | Justin: Once you have kernel support, I believe you just add "userquota" to /etc/fstab for a filesystem, reboot, and then start setting quotas with "edquota -u justin" ...and list quotas with "quota justin" |
| 04:41.10 | sgeigerbot | Justin: "mount | grep -i quota" can tell you if quotas are in use |
| 04:41.13 | edx | intel 8something? |
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| 04:41.17 | sgeigerbot | Justin: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Quota.html |
| 04:41.26 | Justin | sgeigerbot- I have all that done, but it wont start |
| 04:41.28 | edx | 806 maybe? |
| 04:41.32 | helix | is this an imposter justin? |
| 04:41.39 | wpostma | edx, And what kernel version? |
| 04:41.45 | edx | 2.6.6 |
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| 04:42.22 | sgeigerbot | Justin: what does the mount command tell you? |
| 04:42.28 | wpostma | I am running 2.6.7 on Intel i810/i830 chipsets andhave never seen that, and I have machines at work with the ICH2 chipset, and no such message. Very weird. did you google for it? |
| 04:42.30 | Justin | sgeigerbot- nothing at all |
| 04:42.44 | sgeigerbot | Justin: wha tabout "/usr/sbin/repquota -u /home" where /home is your filesystem with quota support... |
| 04:42.52 | edx | yea but nothing seemed relevent? |
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| 04:43.30 | sgeigerbot | Justin: try "quotaon -avug" |
| 04:43.34 | Justin | b4s1x:~/webmin-1.150# /usr/sbin/repquota -u / |
| 04:43.34 | Justin | repquota: Mountpoint (or device) / not found. |
| 04:43.34 | Justin | repquota: Not all specified mountpoints are using quota. |
| 04:43.38 | edx | other than a post where someone made code to hide the messages but that dosnt seem to be a proper fix to me? |
| 04:43.42 | Justin | sgeigerbot- that command does nothing |
| 04:44.16 | wpostma | JEDEC refers to semiconductor manufacturing standards. |
| 04:44.22 | sgeigerbot | Justin: touch /aquota.user /aquota.group; chmod 600 /aquota.user /aquota.group |
| 04:44.29 | edx | wpostma: http://www.uwsg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0406.0/1551.html |
| 04:44.32 | wpostma | What its doing in a kprintf message is beyond me. |
| 04:44.33 | edx | ? |
| 04:44.52 | sgeigerbot | Justin: /sbin/quotacheck -m / |
| 04:45.18 | wpostma | edx, in such cases, I would grep your kernel sources and find where (probably your BLKDEV_IDE driver for your chipset) that it comes from, and look for clues. |
| 04:45.23 | sgeigerbot | Justin: are you the justin who *usually* is in this channel? |
| 04:45.27 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: could you help me understand the "fakeroot debian/rules binary" command? that's not to be taken literally, is it? |
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| 04:45.39 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: yes, it is. |
| 04:45.53 | Justin | sgeigerbot- no mountpoint specified |
| 04:46.01 | edx | wpostma: little embarased newbie here grep my sources ? |
| 04:46.18 | helix | aw |
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| 04:46.18 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: oh. then i'm getting "debian/rules: no such file or directory" |
| 04:46.28 | wpostma | edx: cd /usr/src/linux-<.....>; grep -R JEDEC * |less |
| 04:46.30 | sgeigerbot | Justin: use the filesystem to which you are adding quotas |
| 04:46.37 | Justin | I did |
| 04:46.41 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: do you have the source? |
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| 04:47.08 | troubled | helix: normal Justin is Justin_ is it not? |
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| 04:47.13 | sgeigerbot | Justin: "mount | grep -i quota" can tell you if quotas are in use - if you don't see that, check /etc/fstab, /etc/rc.conf and your kernel config and then reboot if everything looks okay. |
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| 04:47.30 | Justin | sgeigerbot- you have to reboot ? |
| 04:47.32 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: yes |
| 04:47.35 | sgeigerbot | Justin: that's a freebsd-ism. |
| 04:47.41 | sgeigerbot | Justin: yes, I said that earlier. |
| 04:47.44 | helix | troubled: no, he has Justin registered too |
| 04:47.45 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: i'm doing that from inside the mplayer source directory |
| 04:47.53 | troubled | helix: ah |
| 04:48.01 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: /etc/rc.conf? |
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| 04:48.06 | Justin | sgeigerbot- my linux bix didnt require a restart |
| 04:48.14 | Justin | box* |
| 04:48.14 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: see my freebsd disclaimer above |
| 04:48.15 | Justin | redhat* |
| 04:48.27 | cafuego | !offtopic |
| 04:48.34 | wpostma | edx: lookee here: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=1Rw4w-7e5-7%40gated-at.bofh.it&rnum=2 |
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| 04:48.54 | edx | wpostma: all i got in /usr/src is kernel-source-2.6.6.tar.bz2 |
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| 04:49.14 | Justin | sgeigerbot- I don't see why it needs a restart. My linux server didnt |
| 04:49.18 | overflow | How can I change the gtk2 theme? |
| 04:49.18 | sgeigerbot | Justin: you should be able to unmount and remount the filesystem. |
| 04:49.19 | Justin | redhat linux* |
| 04:49.35 | karsten | dpkg vim gpg is see http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/IwtNix |
| 04:49.35 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 04:50.06 | edx | wpostma: that sounds like a fix for me for now! thanks! |
| 04:50.08 | wpostma | edx: read the link I sent, same issue, includes workaround and debian bug report for you to track. Next time, try groups.google.com. |
| 04:50.17 | sgeigerbot | Justin: I'm thinking FreeBSD and Linux at the same time here...but I think you can get away with simply remounting under either OS. |
| 04:50.17 | Justin | sgeigerbot- without restarting ? |
| 04:50.21 | sgeigerbot | right |
| 04:50.22 | wpostma | edx: glad to help! |
| 04:50.30 | Justin | sgeigerbot- and how do I do that ? |
| 04:50.41 | sgeigerbot | Justin: Don't ask...just reboot. |
| 04:50.49 | sgeigerbot | you'll figure it out later. |
| 04:50.53 | Justin | rofl |
| 04:50.54 | Justin | cant reboot |
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| 04:51.05 | Justin | if I do, the server won't come back up |
| 04:51.17 | troubled | Justin: nice server ;) |
| 04:51.18 | wpostma | Justin: man umount. |
| 04:51.19 | sgeigerbot | Justin: "cd /; sudo umount /foo; sudo mount /foo" |
| 04:51.27 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: maybe that fakeroot thing only works in sid |
| 04:51.40 | sgeigerbot | Justin: I think you should be working on that issue, not on quotas. |
| 04:51.50 | Justin | sgeigerbot- cant be fixed |
| 04:51.52 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: no. |
| 04:51.54 | Justin | without reformatting |
| 04:51.58 | sgeigerbot | Justin: what's the problem? |
| 04:52.08 | Justin | something with linux and the network interface |
| 04:52.09 | wpostma | Is there a dpkg !macro for (a) !googlesmite, and !mansmite. Should be. |
| 04:52.13 | Justin | had 3 linux gurus look into it |
| 04:52.16 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: then why don't you think it's working for me? |
| 04:52.16 | edx | wpostma: gotta reboot and see if that was the cure brb |
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| 04:52.38 | troubled | Justin: explain, ya never know |
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| 04:53.17 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: Perhaps you got the file from somewhere other than where I told you? |
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| 04:53.24 | Justin | troubled- Every time I restart, I have to re-configure my network interface card, because linux wont save the config file, and than halfway through config, it locks up |
| 04:53.26 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: nope. |
| 04:53.31 | wpostma | Justin, a server that won't reboot? How did it get booted up this time? ROTFL. |
| 04:53.33 | bonez39 | does Fedora have anything similar to apt-get? |
| 04:53.45 | Justin | wpostma- It's not been rebooted since it was first installed. |
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| 04:53.45 | helix | i don't know if that really deserved a "ROTFL" |
| 04:53.52 | troubled | doobiean: blasphemy! |
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| 04:54.13 | helix | aw, sameer left. |
| 04:54.23 | wpostma | bonez39, that's pretty far off topic, but yes. They do. I suggest you /join #redhat. |
| 04:54.23 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: I don't have the patience to determine what you are doing wrong, so I'll just tell you the other way you might want to install it: Checkout from CVS: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@mplayerhq.hu:/cvsroot/mplayer login; cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@mplayerhq.hu:/cvsroot/mplayer co -P main |
| 04:54.26 | troubled | Justin: you mean setting up dhcp? |
| 04:54.31 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: cd main; less README |
| 04:54.32 | Justin | troubled- no |
| 04:54.36 | Justin | setting up my network card |
| 04:54.40 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: You can later update your sources with: cd ~/main; cvs -z3 update -dPA |
| 04:54.44 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: forget it |
| 04:54.49 | troubled | Justin: ie: modprobe <nic driver>? |
| 04:54.50 | helix | sgeigerbot: mickeyks is unable to setup or install anything on his own |
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| 04:54.55 | helix | sgeigerbot: he's cursed |
| 04:55.00 | helix | (it's not for lack of trying) |
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| 04:55.10 | mickeyks | helix: thanks for the qualification |
| 04:55.12 | Justin | troubled- No, I have to install it manually each time I restart, because it doesnt save it. |
| 04:55.16 | doobiean | troubled: smoke a doobage, and you'll feel better :D |
| 04:55.23 | helix | mickeyks: well, i don't think it's your fault |
| 04:55.25 | troubled | doobiean: ;) |
| 04:55.35 | sgeigerbot | helix: Effort is the main ingredient as far as I'm concern. I simply am biting at the chomp to get back to my book... |
| 04:55.48 | helix | mickeyks: i dunno what the problem is |
| 04:55.57 | helix | mickeyks: though i know you don't read sometimes.. |
| 04:55.58 | wpostma | de-be-be-bian. we be jammin man. |
| 04:56.05 | troubled | Justin: you mean the module isnt loading on start? try put it in /etc/modules? |
| 04:56.25 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: If you want to install it I'll give you a file of instructions... |
| 04:56.35 | mickeyks | sgeigerbot: forget it. |
| 04:56.36 | helix | install mplayer? |
| 04:56.38 | helix | wtf |
| 04:56.40 | helix | !marillat |
| 04:56.40 | dpkg | add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main". |
| 04:56.49 | helix | you don't need to compile the shit |
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| 04:56.57 | Justin | troubled- Err, no. I mean each time I restart, the network card gets removed from the devices. I have to manually add it, and configure eth0 |
| 04:57.11 | mickeyks | helix: i'm about to do it that way |
| 04:57.12 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: okay. You might want to try "apt-get install vlc kvlc" or gvlc if you have gnome |
| 04:57.28 | troubled | Justin: so put your settings in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:57.29 | helix | mickeyks: you're about to compile mplayer? |
| 04:57.36 | Justin | troubled- Tried, it doesn't do anything. |
| 04:57.46 | troubled | Justin: not sure what you mean by "gets removed" |
| 04:57.47 | mickeyks | helix: no i'm about to apt-get it from marillat :) |
| 04:57.55 | helix | mickeyks: .. |
| 04:58.05 | troubled | Justin: what commands to you type to get to normal after a reboot? |
| 04:58.08 | Justin | troubled- I mean that when the system is restarted, the configuration of eth0, and the network card that was installed is gone |
| 04:58.31 | wpostma | Justin, something WIPES OUT the files? That's pretty bizarre. |
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| 04:58.48 | Justin | yeah, debian does after a restart |
| 04:58.57 | sgeigerbot | Justin: As a hack you could add those commands to /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh so that this process gets done automatically--at least until you figure out the right way to do things. |
| 04:59.02 | troubled | Justin: yes, I gathered that much. But Im trying to understand why. On boot is module just not loading automatically? or just the settings for the eth0 arent setting? |
| 04:59.09 | wpostma | Justin, it doesn't zap mine here or on any of the other machines I admin. |
| 04:59.23 | sgeigerbot | Justin: That's got to be a way better approach than to just do nothing. |
| 04:59.55 | Xm4n | I have a question - i meet this problem 'configure: error: Library requirements (libgnomeui-2.0 >= 2.2.0) not met' |
| 05:00.00 | Justin | troubled- both |
| 05:00.11 | Xm4n | and i check libgnomeui version for woody |
| 05:00.18 | Xm4n | It's 1.4.xxx |
| 05:00.24 | Justin | sgeigerbot- what the hell are you talking about? I told you, 3 linux gurus have looked into it, and nobody can figure it out |
| 05:00.31 | doobiean | justin /etc/network/interfaces are set up correct? I have to start up my eth0 with ifup eth0 in my .xinintrc. |
| 05:00.44 | sgeigerbot | Justin: Look, "linux guru" means nothing to me. |
| 05:00.48 | Xm4n | so i think i cannot intall it on woody even after i install that libgnomeui-1.4.x ? |
| 05:00.50 | troubled | Justin: what module name is your nic to load? |
| 05:01.06 | Justin | troubled- I don't know off hand, i'd have to check. |
| 05:01.07 | troubled | sgeigerbot: got a chan full of uber guru's here :) |
| 05:01.11 | wpostma | Xm4n, so what's the trouble? It says it needs a newer version of Gnome. If you want to stay with Woody, find a backport, or build gtk2 yourself. |
| 05:01.15 | troubled | Justin: lsmod |
| 05:01.16 | sgeigerbot | Justin: If you can get the machine back on the network manually, then you can do it through a script. |
| 05:01.40 | doobiean | Justin: add it to /etc/modules |
| 05:01.45 | Xm4n | wpostma: right now i dont have libgnomeui installed |
| 05:01.56 | sgeigerbot | troubled: "linux guru" is so unspecific as to be useless to me. |
| 05:02.09 | Xm4n | wpostma: i did 'apt-cache search libgnomeui32' it says version 1.4.x.x |
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| 05:02.25 | troubled | sgeigerbot: no, i agree |
| 05:02.28 | Xm4n | wpostma: the thing im gonna install which requires libgnomeui >2.0 |
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| 05:02.43 | troubled | well, looks like he found it ;) |
| 05:02.49 | wpostma | Xm4n, you either want to (b) move to Sarge, or (c) play with backports. Choose one. If you want to install something that requires gnomeui 2.2 or greater, then upgrade. |
| 05:02.59 | man_in_shack | anyone know of a sata enabled boot cd? |
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| 05:03.08 | wpostma | man_in_shack, which SATA chipset? |
| 05:03.13 | man_in_shack | via |
| 05:03.24 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: /msg dpkg special installers |
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| 05:03.33 | bonez39 | [5~[5~ |
| 05:03.38 | duxex | :) |
| 05:03.42 | Xm4n | wpostma: I see,thanks |
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| 05:03.49 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: You can install Debian on just about anything i fyou bypass its normal installer and use the debootstrap package. |
| 05:04.01 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 05:04.05 | bonez39 | [/leave #debian |
| 05:04.14 | man_in_shack | i only need a recovery disk |
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| 05:04.42 | wpostma | man_in_shack, I built a custom SATA boot disk for my Dell PC. It was a very educational process. Nevertheless, if it books into an old version of linux, follow wise sgeigerbot, and use debbootstrap. |
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| 05:04.51 | wpostma | s/books/boots |
| 05:04.52 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: LNX-BBC can see and access SATA hard drives, so you could start a debootstrap from there, as described here: www.starshine.org/sysadmoin/DebootstrapInstallation |
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| 05:05.25 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: Once you have debootstrap in your toolbox, you will be at one with the Universe. |
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| 05:05.27 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 05:05.34 | wpostma | Ommmm... |
| 05:05.37 | man_in_shack | hmm ... |
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| 05:06.10 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: well, maybe that's not entirely true. Anyway, another handy rescue disk is knoppix, and it has debootstrap. |
| 05:06.16 | deadcat | anyone done an install on a cobalt qube 3? |
| 05:06.20 | man_in_shack | i see |
| 05:06.36 | man_in_shack | exactly what is debootstrap? |
| 05:06.45 | deadcat | man_in_shack: get it, man it |
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| 05:06.47 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: incidentally, I think Scott Kveton's Debian netinst disc has sata support |
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| 05:07.10 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: apt-cache show debootstrap |
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| 05:07.29 | wpostma | man_in_shack: debootstrap allows you to start the debian boot installation process while booted up from (a) a previous version of linux on your hard drive or (b) a cd-bootable system such as knoppix. |
| 05:08.01 | man_in_shack | um, i don't need install |
| 05:08.20 | man_in_shack | i need some way of fixing the files i didn't change before removing devfs support |
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| 05:09.07 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: If you're like me you have knoppix around anyway, so you always have debootstrap...and it's on something that will work with most hardware.... |
| 05:09.17 | wpostma | sgeigerbot, does debootstrap do any long term "damage" if you use it? (ie, since it doesn't use dpkg or apt to install the basic system.) |
| 05:09.19 | gteppel | When my system boots up my / partition is being booted up with an unknown filesystem type. What might be causing this?, I formatted it as ext3. Any help would be appreciated! :-) |
| 05:09.27 | man_in_shack | sgeigerbot: but does it have via sata support? that's the question |
| 05:09.47 | wpostma | gteppel, is ext3 filesystem support statically compiled into your kernel, or did you chose it as a module? Check your .config |
| 05:09.51 | sgeigerbot | wpostma: DAMAGE? Hell no! It installs the basic debian packages--nothing more. |
| 05:09.58 | mickeyks | mplayer plays my m4a file,but it's jittery, and an error comes up: alsa-control: mixer attach /dev/mixer error: no such file or directory |
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| 05:10.30 | mwilson | gteppel: initscripts bug. |
| 05:10.31 | sgeigerbot | wpostma: debootstrap leaves you with one of the cleanest, smallest Debian instlalations imaginable |
| 05:10.32 | sciboy | Hi, how do i force a deb package to remove EVERYTHING it installed? |
| 05:10.41 | wpostma | mickeyks, is the alsa mixer oss module installed? |
| 05:10.44 | sgeigerbot | sciboy: Debian Package Management Info: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html or http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/pkgmgmt.php or (tarzeau's) http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ or (thanks za) apt-get install apt-howto-en or (if you forget) /msg apt mgmt or /msg apt pkgmgmt |
| 05:10.57 | gteppel | wpostma: Can i check if its a module via modconf? I'm running debian/testing with kernel 2.6.6-1-k7, also the wierd thing is i have other partitions and they all show up as ext3 jsut fine |
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| 05:11.38 | mickeyks | wpostma: i don't know |
| 05:11.45 | man_in_shack | when did sata support first appear? |
| 05:11.48 | wpostma | gteppel, if you built your own kernel, go into the source directory, and type grep CONFIG_EXT3_FS .config |
| 05:11.59 | mwilson | gteppel: For the second time, it's a harmless bug in initscripts. |
| 05:12.00 | gteppel | i didn't i used apt-get install |
| 05:12.16 | gteppel | according modconf ext3 is installed |
| 05:12.23 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: use one of the CDs I mentioned and then do a debootstrap and get the kernel sources and compile a kernel with sata support. |
| 05:12.29 | gteppel | mwilson: is there any way to fix it? |
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| 05:12.31 | wpostma | mwilson, thanks, didn't know that. |
| 05:12.38 | mwilson | gteppel: If you're so inclined, read the bug reports for initscripts, where you can find a patch. |
| 05:12.42 | gteppel | k |
| 05:12.43 | man_in_shack | sgeigerbot: that's very time consuming |
| 05:12.48 | gteppel | mwilson: thanks for your hel |
| 05:12.53 | man_in_shack | sgeigerbot: especially as i have slow dialup |
| 05:13.13 | wpostma | man_in_shack, you may want to order a knoppix cd then, it's worth having. :-) |
| 05:13.18 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: you have sata drives but you are on dialup, eh? |
| 05:13.28 | man_in_shack | sgeigerbot: what's your point? |
| 05:13.38 | man_in_shack | i have knoppix ... somewhere ... |
| 05:13.44 | wpostma | sgeigerbot, I got STUCk with SATA, no choice, on some new DELLs. Eww. |
| 05:13.56 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: sata seems a little bleeding edge...but dialup doesn't... |
| 05:13.58 | mickeyks | wpostma: yes, it's installed |
| 05:14.00 | man_in_shack | i got tonnes of linux install discs |
| 05:14.14 | man_in_shack | sgeigerbot: i also have a 5.25" floppy |
| 05:14.31 | wpostma | mickeyks, what kernel, and what sound driver? |
| 05:14.37 | sciboy | I ran "dpkg -P cedega" but some of the files and folders it created are still there... |
| 05:14.53 | mickeyks | wpostma: custom 2.6.6, and snd_cmipci |
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| 05:15.09 | wpostma | mickeyks, first thing I would do is try 2.6.7 and see if its fixed. |
| 05:15.17 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: well, I've spent a fair amount of time giving you info about debootstrap. I hope you use it someday... I'm not going into telling you more things. (I already told you about special installers above: "/msg dpkg tell me about special installers") |
| 05:15.23 | karsten | New mysql-server installation to support drupal. Drupal installation can't talk to database. mysqld is running. I think it's password problems. How do I check/fix? |
| 05:15.27 | mickeyks | wpostma: not til it's in sarge |
| 05:15.32 | berryman | anyone here use pmdisk (hibernate) on the 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:15.39 | man_in_shack | i don't need an installer though |
| 05:15.47 | mickeyks | wpostma: besides, it's probably something i didn't do right, not a problem in the kernel |
| 05:16.00 | wpostma | mickeyks, you use a custom 2.6.6 but you don't want to use 2.6.7 until it's in sarge? Why evernot? |
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| 05:16.13 | mwilson | mickeyks: I thought you figured out it was because the kernel that was running wasn't the one you thought it was. |
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| 05:16.18 | sgeigerbot | man_in_shack: I always compile a kernel anyway, but there might be one compiled and in Debian. apt-cache search.... |
| 05:16.37 | sparr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.44 | mickeyks | mwilson: yeah, this is a new (albeit related) problem. xmms works now. but mplayer has problems playing m4a files. |
| 05:16.54 | mickeyks | plays, but with errors |
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| 05:17.01 | man_in_shack | sgeigerbot: i've got the kernel there, but not the appropriate config in inittab or something |
| 05:17.07 | mwilson | So the media file is corrupt. |
| 05:17.12 | man_in_shack | it can't create a terminal or some crap like that |
| 05:17.16 | harlequin | wheres saslauthd? |
| 05:17.21 | overflow | Is there still having problem with gnome2.6 on sarge? coz I cann't open gedit |
| 05:17.26 | mickeyks | wpostma: i like to put some arbirtary limits on my self-destructiveness |
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| 05:17.33 | mickeyks | mwilson: hopefully that's the case |
| 05:17.37 | exobyte | Anyone know how to set up on-access virus scanning for samba (and can a PII 350 handle it?) |
| 05:17.39 | wpostma | mickeyks, if you get stuttering audio on all apps I would suspect a driver or kernel problem, not a configuration problem on your part, unless your machine is really anemic or badly misconfigured (maybe no dma on your hard drives?) |
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| 05:18.10 | mickeyks | wpostma: it's not on all apps. it's on m4a files as played by mplayer. |
| 05:18.15 | wpostma | mickeyks, unfortunately those limits hurt as well as help. :-) |
| 05:18.24 | mickeyks | wpostma: playing mp3 files on xmms is fine |
| 05:18.29 | wpostma | mickeyks, then don't use mplayer. ;-) |
| 05:18.33 | harlequin | why is there no saslauthd? |
| 05:18.38 | harlequin | win 24 |
| 05:18.47 | mickeyks | wpostma: would you like to suggest another way to play m4a files? |
| 05:19.01 | mwilson | mickeyks: Don't they call that... "Windows"? |
| 05:19.02 | mickeyks | because in debian anyway, xmms doesn't do it |
| 05:19.10 | wpostma | hmm, what's your CPU speed, and what's the cpu usage on mplayer when it decodes m4as? |
| 05:19.16 | sgeigerbot | mickeyks: apt-get install vlc |
| 05:19.22 | mickeyks | mwilson: yeah, it would be a shame for me to spend all that money though |
| 05:19.27 | karsten | WRT mysql-server. Sorted, I think.... |
| 05:19.46 | man_in_shack | what month did sata in linux come out? |
| 05:20.05 | mwilson | Where do you get a M4A file, anyway? |
| 05:20.11 | mwilson | WTF creates them? |
| 05:20.15 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: good question |
| 05:20.20 | mickeyks | mwilson: itunes :) |
| 05:20.29 | wpostma | man_in_shack, its always been in 2.6, or at least since before 2.6.0, and it's been added to 2.4.23 and later, I think. |
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| 05:20.36 | mwilson | Not my copy of iTunes. |
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| 05:20.54 | man_in_shack | wpostma: but what month did it come out? |
| 05:21.00 | mwilson | Mine makes MP3's, just fine. |
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| 05:21.16 | wpostma | You'd have to go search vger, I doubt anyone here knows what month. July, February, Tuesday? |
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| 05:21.51 | mickeyks | mwilson: i don't know. my friend sends me these files from his itunes. he doesn't know what he's doing. i just want to play them. |
| 05:21.51 | deadcat | i think my neighborhood is under attack.... |
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| 05:21.54 | sciboy | I keep trying to purge Cedega, but dpkg leaves alot of the files and folders untouched. |
| 05:21.59 | sciboy | Is there a way around this? |
| 05:22.05 | edx | wpostma: sucess!!! but now that i have more dmesg buffer i am finding more problems? |
| 05:22.09 | man_in_shack | if it was around april 2003, i might have found a boot disc i can use |
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| 05:22.46 | wpostma | man_in_shack, it may be after that, that's pretty old\ |
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| 05:23.07 | man_in_shack | that's what i'm thinking |
| 05:23.21 | wpostma | go buy some cds at cheapbytes. ;-) |
| 05:23.22 | sciboy | :( |
| 05:23.23 | mwilson | mickeyks: <shrug> |
| 05:23.53 | edx | how critical is this in dmesg?: hw_random: RNG not detected |
| 05:23.53 | wpostma | edx: Utterly trivial. :-) |
| 05:24.04 | edx | really! |
| 05:24.05 | harlequin | how can i tell what package a file came from in particular a binary? |
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| 05:24.15 | man_in_shack | i know i've got knoppix 3.2 around somewhere |
| 05:24.16 | jm_ | harlequin: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:24.17 | edx | great~! what is it? |
| 05:24.20 | wpostma | Your hardware driven randomness may be not RNGing its frobnicator. You need to buy a new PC. |
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| 05:24.39 | edx | lol |
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| 05:24.45 | wpostma | Send me $1000 in unmarked bills and I can make it go away. ;-) |
| 05:24.48 | \amethyst | edx: It means you don't have one of the few chips and/or motherboards with a built-in random number generator. /dev/random still gets entropy from interrupts and such, though |
| 05:24.51 | edx | LOL |
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| 05:25.20 | munkayman | hey guys, anyone here had any experience with waimea ? |
| 05:26.18 | mwilson | \amethyst: You mean like most motherboards, right? |
| 05:26.31 | edx | ah man good news then!!! ok so now that all is good in dmesgville anyway to have it boot nice and quiet without all the text flying across the screen scaring the hell out opf an old man? |
| 05:26.44 | mwilson | edx: Close your eyes. |
| 05:26.48 | edx | LOL |
| 05:26.55 | mwilson | I wasn't kidding. |
