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| 00:00.14 | thomas_adam | oneo99: ask in #gentoo |
| 00:00.20 | JoshTriplett | trans_err: Not optimally, though. |
| 00:00.23 | JamesS | thomas_adam: what point? that i used the word "anyone" and you got your panties in a not? |
| 00:00.23 | geoaxis | i have set my /root files to group 1000 somehow |
| 00:00.23 | JamesS | knot |
| 00:00.32 | Justin | the correct answer to that question is "yes, _someone_ knows" |
| 00:00.32 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: Heh, like they would know. "Oh, just use -O99 -fomit-instructions". |
| 00:00.32 | thomas_adam | JamesS: No, follow the conversation line-by-line. |
| 00:00.34 | trans_err | JoshTriplett: go to #gentoo |
| 00:00.45 | geoaxis | and i just wana know if its safe ...b4 i learn how to change it back |
| 00:00.47 | JoshTriplett | trans_err: Not a chance. |
| 00:00.54 | trans_err | :D |
| 00:00.54 | thomas_adam | !+b4 |
| 00:00.54 | dpkg | try before, moron, or i51 n34 g10 o23...BINGO! |
| 00:01.20 | sharkiez | i did an apt-get upgrade |
| 00:01.24 | bitwiseax | anyone run/running E17 yet ? |
| 00:01.31 | thomas_adam | !tell bitwiseax about polls |
| 00:01.32 | sharkiez | and it said the following packages have been kept |
| 00:01.36 | JamesS | haha |
| 00:01.36 | thomas_adam | FFS, what is this? Poll day? |
| 00:01.40 | sharkiez | how come it didn't upgrade everything |
| 00:01.48 | thomas_adam | sharkiez: so dist-upgrade |
| 00:01.54 | thomas_adam | sharkiez: man apt-ge |
| 00:01.55 | thomas_adam | sharkiez: man apt-get |
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| 00:02.01 | mickeyks | does XFree86 support built-in gamma correction? |
| 00:02.02 | JoshTriplett | sharkiez: Because apt-get upgrade refuses to remove packages or otherwise break/unbreak things. |
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| 00:02.08 | sharkiez | thomas_adam:so that is a distributions thing |
| 00:02.15 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: Yes. Use "xgamma" or "kgamma". |
| 00:02.16 | trans_err | sharkiez: apt-get upgrade only upgrades those things which don't require you to remove or install extra packages |
| 00:02.18 | bitwiseax | those_adam: its not a lead-in to a lame question .. its just a poll and conversation , dont be a nazi/dictator of what people talk about |
| 00:02.25 | thomas_adam | sharkiez: No, it's your own fault for not resding. |
| 00:02.32 | JoshTriplett | sharkiez: Better yet, install aptitude. |
| 00:02.47 | bitwiseax | E17 is purrty , Ima compile it |
| 00:02.48 | thomas_adam | bitwiseax: Are you referring to me? If so, look at tab-completion. |
| 00:02.58 | bitwiseax | thomas_adam: yeah , I have it |
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| 00:03.27 | xR | buenas |
| 00:03.36 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: installing aptitude won't help him figure out the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade. |
| 00:03.51 | thomas_adam | bitwiseax: We don't like polls. Full stop. |
| 00:03.59 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: No, but it _will_ make it easier not to have to. |
| 00:04.08 | bitwiseax | thomas_adam: who is 'we' |
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| 00:04.15 | Nurbs | We are the #debian. |
| 00:04.17 | thomas_adam | bitwiseax: Those in #debian. |
| 00:04.21 | HDNFST | how do i create a dir |
| 00:04.25 | thomas_adam | HDNFST: mkdir |
| 00:04.26 | gravity | HDNFST: mkdir |
| 00:04.26 | JoshTriplett | HDNFST: mkdir |
| 00:04.31 | HDNFST | arr of course |
| 00:04.32 | thomas_adam | !lose gravity |
| 00:04.33 | dpkg | gravity: You Lose. |
| 00:04.36 | HDNFST | ehe getting this slowly |
| 00:04.36 | gravity | Damn |
| 00:04.36 | bitwiseax | thomas_adam: why dont you let everyone speak for themselves .. I only heard you complaining |
| 00:04.42 | Nurbs | how do i remove a dir |
| 00:04.46 | mocat | bitwiseax: We are #debian. Prepare to be assimilated. Resistance is futile. |
| 00:04.46 | thomas_adam | Nurbs: rmdir |
| 00:04.46 | qpycve | rmdir |
| 00:04.49 | gravity | Nurbs: rmdir or rm -rf |
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| 00:04.55 | Nurbs | wow, it really works. |
| 00:05.04 | bitwiseax | mocat: yeah , def borgish type behaviour .. |
| 00:05.13 | prologic | Where can I find the 'gnoperncus' package ? I have searched the cache with no luck ... |
| 00:05.27 | mickeyks | i guess links can't do tabbed browsing eh |
| 00:05.34 | JoshTriplett | prologic: Check your spelling. |
| 00:05.35 | gravity | bitwiseax: The reason we don't like poll type questions is that they're not really questions. If you just state your problem, it can be answered faster. |
| 00:05.38 | thomas_adam | prologic: Maybe there is no such package? |
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| 00:05.56 | bitwiseax | gravity: I have no problem , he is a confused controlfreak =] |
| 00:06.01 | gravity | bitwiseax: Like saying "Does anyone use bash?" doesn't really get you anywhere if your tab completion is n't working |
| 00:06.01 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: Sure, just run multiple instances of links, one in each tab of a Konsole. :) |
| 00:06.17 | bitwiseax | gavity: it was a pure poll.. not a "lead-in" to a lame question |
| 00:06.38 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: heh. |
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| 00:06.49 | thomas_adam | bitwiseax: You deserved what you got. Face it. STFU, and ask a question if you have one. |
| 00:06.57 | prologic | JoshTriplett: what is the correct spelling ? it's a little hard to read even with an LCD and 30x binocule ... |
| 00:07.10 | bitwiseax | thomas_adam: dont tell me to "stfu" and .. I dont have a question .. nazi |
| 00:07.14 | JoshTriplett | prologic: gnopernicus, I think. |
| 00:07.18 | thomas_adam | prologic: what are you looking for? |
| 00:07.23 | p_each | Hello, was there something i needed to do if i update the XFree86 config file ? |
| 00:07.26 | Nurbs | bitwiseax: polls don't really work at all on IRC, they never give any useful result. also, there's no space before "," :) |
| 00:07.33 | thomas_adam | p_each: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:07.34 | p_each | something with a md5 checksum ? |
| 00:07.45 | prologic | thomas_adam, the missing package I don't have installed for the Gnome Assitive Tech ... gnopernicus it looked like... |
| 00:07.45 | mickeyks | p_each: restart x? |
| 00:07.48 | bitwiseax | Nurbs: I'm well aware that there is no SPACE before commas , but thanks =] |
| 00:07.52 | thomas_adam | p_each: see comments at the top of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 about that. |
| 00:08.02 | p_each | oke... |
| 00:08.17 | Nurbs | bitwiseax: my eyes, my typographic sense, aaah! :) |
| 00:08.19 | prologic | JoshTriplett, that turned up nothing in my cache |
| 00:08.25 | thomas_adam | but you know , anything , goes . |
| 00:08.25 | bitwiseax | hehe |
| 00:08.41 | bitwiseax | thomas_adam: yeah , useful for the blind like me =] |
| 00:08.42 | JoshTriplett | !info gnopernicus |
| 00:08.45 | dpkg | gnopernicus: (Screen reader for GNOME 2), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.8.4-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1172 kB, Installed size: 4832 kB |
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| 00:09.59 | ac1d | hello |
| 00:10.01 | geoaxis | can any one tell me wats the Numberic group Id for root |
| 00:10.07 | thomas_adam | geoaxis: 0 |
| 00:10.16 | ac1d | what can eb causing a high temp for a mobile AMD proc |
| 00:10.25 | ac1d | [08:07 PM][relex:~]$acpi -t |
| 00:10.25 | ac1d | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:10.29 | thomas_adam | ac1d: ambient room temperature. |
| 00:10.31 | thomas_adam | ac1d: lack of a fan. |
| 00:10.33 | ac1d | cpu usage is 0 |
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| 00:10.42 | thomas_adam | ac1d: /topic and paste in #flood |
| 00:10.46 | ac1d | thomas_adam, laptop, fan works, room temp is normal |
| 00:10.56 | mait | Is there any trick to restore permissions/ownerships to package installed defaults? |
| 00:11.02 | jeff2 | ac1d, do you have powernowd enabled? |
| 00:11.04 | Nurbs | ac1d: broken sensor :) |
| 00:11.06 | JoshTriplett | ac1d: Lack of power management? Try cpufreq. |
| 00:11.08 | thomas_adam | mait: be more specific. |
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| 00:11.16 | Justin | 85.0 degrees Celsius = 185 degrees Fahrenheit |
| 00:11.20 | geoaxis | thomas_adam, i am doing chgrp -R root * to change every files group in /root to root . but it says 1000 for gid on some files |
| 00:11.29 | Justin | somehow I doubt your laptop is almost boiling |
| 00:11.35 | ac1d | JoshTriplett, i use powernow |
| 00:11.40 | thomas_adam | geoaxis: That would usually be your first created non-root user. |
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| 00:11.41 | geoaxis | thomas_adam, should i put 0 instead pf root |
| 00:11.44 | ac1d | jeff2, proc is normal speed |
| 00:11.56 | mait | due to a mistaken expression, some files in /etc got chowned |
| 00:12.01 | JoshTriplett | ac1d: That should work also. But I've heard from other people on IRC that powernowd is not so great. |
| 00:12.10 | geoaxis | yeah i copied some confs from there |
| 00:12.19 | thomas_adam | geoaxis: are you running the command as root? |
| 00:12.26 | JoshTriplett | mait: You might try "apt-get --reinstall install blah". Not sure if that'll fix permissions, though. |
| 00:12.34 | geoaxis | not all times ..but rite now yes |
| 00:12.36 | jeff2 | JoshTriplett, whats wrong with powernowd? works good for me |
| 00:12.37 | JoshTriplett | mait: Probably not, since those are configuration files. |
| 00:12.43 | ^Fraggy^ | got some problems with pcmcia, when i insert a card, kernel message 'cs: pcmcia_socket0: unable to apply power.' and this happens with 2 cards, what can i do? |
| 00:12.54 | ac1d | JoshTriplett, some mobile chips are nto supported... i had to hardcode my proc freqs into the kernel |
| 00:13.04 | JoshTriplett | jeff2: No idea, I don't have an AMD processor. Just saying what I've heard from others on #debian and "other debian channel". |
| 00:13.19 | thomas_adam | geoaxis: try: find . -type f -gid 1000 | xargs chown root.root |
| 00:13.25 | ac1d | eh |
| 00:13.32 | ac1d | time to go lart one of my users |
| 00:13.33 | jeff2 | ^Fraggy^, is your /etc/pcmcia/config.opts setup correctly |
| 00:13.47 | ^Fraggy^ | i dont know, this is my 1st laptop with linux |
| 00:13.47 | munkayman | #include <stdio.h> |
| 00:13.52 | kingsley | For practical purposes, what's the big problem with trying to use a DVD burner that supports digital rights management? |
| 00:14.04 | flatwounds | is there some sort of problem with Postfix+SASL on Woody? |
| 00:14.12 | JoshTriplett | kingsley: None, as far as I know; just don't use the feature. |
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| 00:14.26 | ac1d | ^Fraggy^, most likely its an IRQ conflict... search on google to see if someone had the same problem |
| 00:14.32 | ac1d | if not, its trial and error |
| 00:14.33 | JoshTriplett | kingsley: A *burner* that supports it? |
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| 00:14.36 | mickeyks | so...what's the advantage of links? i'm using it and it's fine but i'm not sure what the appeal is |
| 00:14.36 | ^Fraggy^ | yeah they have, but no solutions |
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| 00:14.43 | ac1d | hm |
| 00:14.44 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: It's fast. |
| 00:14.58 | geoaxis | thomas_adam, nopes |
| 00:15.00 | prologic | hmm |
| 00:15.01 | jeff2 | ^Fraggy^, I had to change some settings to get my PCMCIA to work. try /sbin/lspci -s 0:a.0 -vv and add the values for "I/O behind bridge" and "memory behind bridge" that it gives you to /etc/pcmcia/config.opts |
| 00:15.01 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: None, except that it works in a terminal. |
| 00:15.07 | mait | Oh. Maybe I should apt-get --reinstall install *everything* to be sure... |
| 00:15.25 | thomas_adam | geoaxis: are these directories? Indeed, does: find . -type f -gid 1000 actually return the expected files? |
| 00:15.27 | JoshTriplett | mait: Start with one package, the one that owns a file in question. |
| 00:15.31 | mait | Do I need to do my own script for that, or is it built-in? |
| 00:15.33 | JoshTriplett | mait: See if that works. |
| 00:15.35 | kingsley | Several people have recommended Plextor's DVD burners, because they have no DRM, but as JoshTriplett wrote, I don't see the problem under linux. |
| 00:15.46 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: really? why is that good? and why does mwilson like it so much? |
| 00:15.52 | geoaxis | some are .directories |
| 00:15.56 | mait | JoshTriplett: seems to |
| 00:15.57 | geoaxis | some are .confs |
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| 00:16.26 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: Well, if you are trying to debug a problem with starting up a GUI, it's nice to be able to browse the Web for answers. |
| 00:16.39 | kingsley | JoshTriplett: Yes, although my information is at least second hand, several people on this channel recommended Plextor's DVD burners because they don't get hung up on DRM. |
| 00:16.48 | ^Fraggy^ | when i run that command it just returns to a shell prompt, no output on screen |
| 00:16.49 | Jambon | i've tried to mount my primary windows hd, but it doesn't seem to want to mount. i've tried auto mounting. that didn't work. help por favor? |
| 00:16.49 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: Not just with debugging. I use links regardless. |
| 00:17.09 | prologic | JoshTriplett: if dpkg sees the package, why can I not see it in Debian/Testing's cache ? |
| 00:17.13 | jeff2 | Jambon, if your Windows partition is NTFS load the ntfs module before mounting |
| 00:17.19 | thomas_adam | Jambon: Some more information is needed, like *how* you're trying to mount, and whether you have an entry for it in fstab? |
| 00:17.19 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: ah...but not with starting up x, right? weren't you guys saying that links -g is no good in console? |
| 00:17.24 | JoshTriplett | prologic: Maybe it's only in unstable. |
| 00:17.31 | JoshTriplett | !info gnopernicus testing |
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| 00:18.00 | remedy | hi all, i've added a line 'export MAIL=/home/remedy/Maildir/' to my ~/.bashrc but it doesnt seem to be taking effect when i login, is there anyway i can find out why, or does anyone know why it might not be working |
| 00:18.04 | JoshTriplett | prologic: Hmmm, dpkg /msged me and said it didn't exist. |
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| 00:18.12 | JoshTriplett | prologic: So that's probably the problem. |
| 00:18.25 | thomas_adam | remedy: echo $MAIL |
| 00:18.26 | prologic | ahhhh |
| 00:18.27 | prologic | hmm |
| 00:18.27 | JoshTriplett | remedy: Using X? X doesn't read ~/.bashrc . |
| 00:18.30 | prologic | that's no damn good :( |
| 00:18.32 | remedy | i checked the FAQ link in the topic but i hvent found the answer there |
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| 00:18.37 | prologic | I emailed the maintainer and complained then :) |
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| 00:18.43 | JoshTriplett | kingsley: The DRM you are referring to is about reading crippled audio "CDs". |
| 00:18.47 | remedy | thomas_adam: yea thts how i hve found it is not working heh |
| 00:18.51 | remedy | JoshTriplett: no in console |
| 00:18.51 | JoshTriplett | kingsley: Shouldn't have anything to do with burning. |
| 00:18.53 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: No, but settings xterm -ls does. |
| 00:19.02 | geoaxis | thomas_adam, if i cahnge the gid to 0 i get some files |
| 00:19.06 | thomas_adam | remedy: youneed to set your xterm's as logins shells. |
| 00:19.11 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: Just out of curiosity, why do you use links? |
| 00:19.14 | geoaxis | but if i put it one 1000 nothing is returned |
| 00:19.20 | prologic | lol |
| 00:19.27 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: mozilla takes far too long to load, and I prefer the cli where possible. |
| 00:19.30 | geoaxis | is it because i dont have any one with gid 1000 |
| 00:19.33 | geoaxis | for now |
| 00:19.36 | Justin | thomas_adam: get faster disks? :-) |
| 00:19.41 | thomas_adam | geoaxis: You said you did |
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| 00:19.46 | ^Fraggy^ | ac1d: when i run that command it just returns to a shell prompt, no output on screen |
| 00:19.47 | thomas_adam | Justin: DMA is on. :) |
| 00:19.49 | jeff2 | Justin, links would still load faster :) |
| 00:19.51 | geoaxis | i dleted that user |
| 00:19.56 | remedy | thomas_adam: in the .bashrc? |
| 00:19.57 | ac1d | ^Fraggy^, what command |
| 00:19.59 | geoaxis | and using another one now |
| 00:20.11 | JoshTriplett | remedy: Well, in that case, check that your ~/.bash_login loads your ~/.bashrc |
| 00:20.15 | jeff2 | ^Fraggy^, did you try my suggestion |
| 00:20.27 | thomas_adam | remedy: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/BashStartup |
| 00:20.28 | JoshTriplett | remedy: Er, I mean ~/.profile |
| 00:20.32 | JoshTriplett | remedy: Sorry. |
| 00:20.37 | thomas_adam | remedy: and /msg dpkg xsession |
| 00:20.44 | ^Fraggy^ | ah, sorry, jeff2, yeah - yours just goes back to shell prompt |
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| 00:20.51 | ac1d | ^Fraggy^, output of lspci to #flood, please |
| 00:20.52 | JoshTriplett | remedy: Or ~/.bash_profile |
| 00:20.55 | jeff2 | ^Fraggy^, do it as root |
| 00:20.59 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: He sais "in console". |
| 00:21.01 | ^Fraggy^ | im in as root |
| 00:21.03 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: You mean ~/.bash_profile |
| 00:21.06 | JoshTriplett | s/sais/said/ |
| 00:21.06 | ac1d | jeff2, not necessary |
| 00:21.15 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: Yes, and I said that also. |
| 00:21.15 | ac1d | jeff2, chances are he didnt compile pcmcia into the kernel |
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| 00:21.27 | Jambon | i read man mount and got the impression that i need something like "mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt/win" or something. am i way off? |
| 00:21.28 | jeff2 | ^Fraggy^, yeah, try compiling PCMCIA into the kernel or loading it as modules |
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| 00:21.42 | thomas_adam | Jambon: That's a start. |
| 00:21.43 | JoshTriplett | Jambon: That should work. |
| 00:21.44 | jeff2 | Jambon, no, thats exactl right. you also need the ntfs module loaded |
| 00:22.00 | mickeyks | Jambon: man fstab is more or less helpful too |
| 00:22.09 | remedy | JoshTriplett: aha, seems its commented out by default in .bash_profile |
| 00:22.15 | JoshTriplett | remedy: Yes. |
| 00:22.24 | remedy | ok, thanks for your help :) |
| 00:22.45 | JoshTriplett | remedy: Personally, the only thing in my .bash_profile is a line to source ~/.bashrc if it exists. |
| 00:23.53 | ac1d | ^Fraggy^, gunzip < /proc/config.gz > ~/config |
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| 00:24.08 | simonrvn | zcat /proc/config.gz | less |
| 00:24.12 | geoaxis | thomas_adam, ok i did a groupadd -g 1000 foo |
| 00:24.20 | simonrvn | zcat /proc/config.gz > .config |
| 00:24.26 | ac1d | eh |
| 00:24.27 | serum | how do you edit gnome settings if gnome is not installed? |
| 00:24.27 | sussudio | !pity groupadd -g 1000 |
| 00:24.28 | ac1d | that too |
| 00:24.28 | dpkg | I pity da fool groupadd -g 1000! |
| 00:24.35 | Justin | simonrvn: zless /proc/config.gz |
| 00:24.36 | thomas_adam | serum: That's a paradox. |
| 00:24.36 | Justin | :) |
| 00:24.37 | JoshTriplett | serum: gconf, maybe? |
| 00:24.44 | JoshTriplett | serum: What do you need to change? |
| 00:24.45 | Justin | or just less if you setup lesspipe correctly |
| 00:24.47 | simonrvn | Justin: zless doesn't like utf-8 here |
| 00:24.49 | serum | the default browser |
| 00:24.49 | ^Fraggy^ | ac1d: yours just says no such file/dir |
| 00:24.57 | simonrvn | Justin: s/zless/lesspipe/ |
| 00:24.58 | ac1d | bah |
| 00:25.01 | Cyis | this is bloody fscking annoying |
| 00:25.05 | JoshTriplett | serum: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 00:25.09 | thomas_adam | geoaxis: Then you're giving me faulty information. |
| 00:25.11 | ac1d | im guessing vanilla kernel doesnt write config to /proc |
| 00:25.27 | Justin | ac1d: /boot/config-* |
| 00:25.33 | geoaxis | i just said that i coped some confs from a use |
| 00:25.36 | geoaxis | and group |
| 00:25.39 | geoaxis | before deleting it |
| 00:25.45 | JoshTriplett | ac1d: No, it doesn't. Anyway, that's a 2.6-only feature, I think. |
| 00:25.49 | geoaxis | not i cannot own them uniqely |
| 00:26.03 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: it is 2.6.x only |
| 00:26.17 | Cyis | I can't figure out what's stopping this kernel from booting completely without a kernel panic |
| 00:26.18 | serum | that works, but straw still says it can't find a browser |
| 00:26.18 | ac1d | ^Fraggy^, find a config file for your laptop, get a kernel source package from kernel.org, recompile kernel with that conf enabling pcmcia (if unsure answer Yes)... but if you manage to find a conf file for your laptop chances are it will already have pcmcia compiled in! |
| 00:26.23 | thomas_adam | geoaxis: either those files have a gid of 1000 (which is what you said), or you're not writing it clearly enough. |
| 00:26.46 | thomas_adam | Now, I'm going to get something to eatm geoaxis, so I'll brb. |
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| 00:26.54 | Jambon | i think i mounted it. but i can't see it as a normal user |
| 00:26.59 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: you're not allowed. |
| 00:27.00 | JoshTriplett | serum: Sounds more like a problem with straw. |
| 00:27.03 | Jambon | is that an fstab config thing? |
| 00:27.04 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: :( |
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| 00:27.10 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: j/k ;) |
| 00:27.16 | ^Fraggy^ | ac1d: i cant find anything about linux running on my laptop model |
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| 00:27.22 | geoaxis | thomas_adam, half of those files and directories have gid 1000 |
| 00:27.28 | JoshTriplett | ^Fraggy^: What's your laptop model? |
| 00:27.29 | ac1d | ^Fraggy^, what laptop |
| 00:27.29 | thomas_adam | Jambon: Depends how you mounted it, |
| 00:27.32 | geoaxis | where as i dont have any group with gid 1000 |
| 00:27.44 | ^Fraggy^ | JoshTriplett: ac1d: Hi-Grade Notino AS1400 |
| 00:27.45 | geoaxis | checked that manually in /etcgroups |
| 00:27.54 | simonrvn | users group is usually 1000 on a fresh install |
| 00:28.08 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: I told him that already. |
| 00:28.08 | simonrvn | getent group 1000 |
| 00:28.22 | ac1d | wow |
| 00:28.24 | ac1d | hes not joking... |
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| 00:28.26 | simonrvn | wel then he's a silly person |
| 00:28.30 | simonrvn | :P |
| 00:28.47 | ac1d | ^Fraggy^, google for each of those items from lspci and see what kernel opts you need |
| 00:28.57 | Jambon | mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 00:29.00 | ac1d | then, make a website to help other people witht he same laptop ;) |
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| 00:29.19 | LSorensen | group 1000 is usually the group of user 1000 aka the first normal user made |
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| 00:30.01 | ac1d | ^Fraggy^, if you get stuck somewhere just come back here and ask if anyone has that device |
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| 00:33.25 | tnb | someone alive ? |
| 00:33.36 | LSorensen | No. Everyone is dead. |
| 00:33.41 | tnb | ah ;) |
| 00:33.57 | Blissex | tnb: you are the last man on earth :-) |
| 00:33.59 | thomas_adam | LSorensen: and geoaxis has been told this three times now. |
| 00:33.59 | tnb | how to search package by this apt.bot. i forget command |
| 00:34.23 | LSorensen | tnb: /msg dpkg find foo |
| 00:34.25 | Blissex | tnb: can't upu just search on the Debian search page? |
| 00:34.27 | LSorensen | or something like that |
| 00:34.28 | tnb | aahhh. |
| 00:34.36 | tnb | thanks |
| 00:34.44 | simonrvn | !search |
| 00:34.45 | JoshTriplett | tnb: Or /msg dpkg info foo, if you just want the info on a package. |
| 00:34.46 | dpkg | it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing> |
| 00:34.49 | LSorensen | tnb: although apt-cache search foo is faster |
| 00:35.01 | JoshTriplett | LSorensen: Or grep-available |
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| 00:37.05 | Caelum | is anyone using the spherecrystal theme in gnome 2.7 in sid? |
| 00:37.26 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: No, because gnome 2.7 isn't _in_ sid, as far as I know. |
| 00:37.49 | ac1d | hah |
| 00:37.56 | thomas_adam | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:38.07 | Caelum | ah ok |
| 00:38.11 | Caelum | in experimental then |
| 00:38.12 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Anyway, what's the problem you're having? |
| 00:38.18 | ac1d | i dont understand why people install a mainly server os and put desktops on it |
| 00:38.36 | gravity | ac1d: Nice troll. |
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| 00:38.57 | ac1d | if you are going to use linux, learn to use console to get work done :) |
| 00:38.57 | LSorensen | ac1d: Some people want one universal OS that does it all, or they only have one machine |
| 00:38.57 | ac1d | hm |
| 00:39.00 | thomas_adam | Caelum: No, it might be in incoming... |
| 00:39.00 | ac1d | not a troll |
| 00:39.05 | ac1d | a troll would be |
| 00:39.05 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: there's a bug in librsvg2 2.7.2, certain .svg files cause it to segfault... I rebuilt the package using librsvg from cvs and it works fine |
| 00:39.21 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: OK. Did you report the bug? |
| 00:39.22 | ac1d | anyone use gentoo? i hear their package management system is better than apt |
| 00:39.24 | Caelum | thomas_adam: I have the gnome-pkg source lines for alioth too |
| 00:39.25 | ac1d | thats a troll |
| 00:39.29 | Rory | "wh00000000tt !!! gentoo rocks !! http://www.gentoo.org <- meka" |
| 00:39.35 | thomas_adam | Caelum: That's nice. |
| 00:39.37 | izzy | Does anybody know why sound is never above a whisper in debian for me, even with all the volume sliders jammed all the way to the top? |
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| 00:39.39 | ac1d | hahaha |
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| 00:39.49 | Caelum | thomas_adam: so I don't know exactly where it's from |
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| 00:39.57 | pyrophreak | how do I know wich .iso files to get for debian? |
| 00:40.05 | thomas_adam | pyrophreak: You read, |
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| 00:40.26 | bddebian | Howdy folks. |
| 00:40.29 | ac1d | howdy |
| 00:40.35 | bddebian | How do I get the pex5 and xie modules in xfree86? |
| 00:40.40 | JoshTriplett | izzy: Do you use alsa? Then try alsamixer. Sometimes there are hidden volume settings only visible through alsa. |
| 00:40.44 | JoshTriplett | bddebian: You can't. |
| 00:40.46 | izzy | i'm thinkin theres a volume.config or something someplace? |
| 00:40.49 | JoshTriplett | bddebian: At least not in Debian. |
| 00:40.51 | Nurbs | I very much liked http://www.funroll-loops.org/ as a good Gentoo site ;) |
| 00:40.55 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: actually, according to packages.debian.org 2.7.2 is in sid |
| 00:41.01 | JoshTriplett | bddebian: They were deprecated and now removed. |
| 00:41.08 | izzy | "alsamixer... i use alsa. the kde volume sliders are useless? |
| 00:41.12 | mwilson | izzy: You'd be thinking wrong, then. |
| 00:41.24 | bddebian | Fuxx0r.. So how do I get my GeForce 2 Go to work.. :-( |
| 00:41.33 | JoshTriplett | izzy: Not necessarily, just that you might need to tweak something else first. |
| 00:41.42 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: are you using gnome atm? |
| 00:41.43 | JoshTriplett | izzy: Just a random suggestion; might not be the problem. |
| 00:41.47 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: KDE. |
| 00:41.54 | thomas_adam | bddebian: let it grow legs, and walk. |
| 00:41.59 | bddebian | heh |
| 00:41.59 | Rory | i mean, people need to take things lightly, I thought the gaim person trolling the gentoo bug list was hillarious |
| 00:42.01 | JoshTriplett | bddebian: You don't need pex5 and xie to do that. |
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| 00:42.15 | JoshTriplett | bddebian: Just configure the X server to use the "nv" module. |
| 00:42.21 | thomas_adam | Rory: Don't be a moron, is all I can say. |
| 00:42.26 | izzy | the alsamixergui sliders are all at the top too |
| 00:42.32 | JoshTriplett | bddebian: Or the "vesa" module, if that doesn't work. |
| 00:42.34 | bddebian | JoshTriplett: Every config I've looked at needs it. If I just use dpkg and the "nv" module, I only get about 1/4th of the scrren |
| 00:42.34 | thomas_adam | Rory: Thankfully, not everyone here has the same "humour" as yourself. |
| 00:42.47 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: Vesa is very slow. |
| 00:42.54 | JoshTriplett | bddebian: Just remove the lines mentioning those modules. |
| 00:42.55 | mwilson | bddebian: No, actually, no configuration you've looked at needs it. |
| 00:43.01 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: True. But it works. |
| 00:43.12 | mickeyks | mwilson: i got links working...not bad but why do you prefer it to firefox? |
| 00:43.19 | mickeyks | er, foxfire |
| 00:43.19 | mwilson | bddebian: As those are font technologies, and have nothing to do with anything. |
| 00:43.20 | JoshTriplett | bddebian: What do you mean "1/4th of the screen"? |
| 00:43.26 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: firefox. |
| 00:43.28 | Caelum | well, anyone with a recent gnome from sid, could you please run: "rsvg /usr/share/themes/SphereCrystal/gtk-2.0/scrollbar_vertical.svg foo.png" and tell me if it segfaults or not |
| 00:43.29 | thomas_adam | links is amazing. |
| 00:43.47 | bddebian | JoshTriplett: It's in a Dell laptop so the screen doesn't expand full screen. |
| 00:43.48 | thomas_adam | Caelum: No. |
| 00:43.56 | mwilson | mickeyks: Hm? Because I couldn't care less what some 10-year-old moron thinks his web site is supposed to look like. |
| 00:44.03 | JoshTriplett | bddebian: Ah. Then you just need to choose a higher resolution. |
| 00:44.08 | thomas_adam | Caelum: some of us don't use bloated, eye-candied shit for window managers. |
| 00:44.09 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: there's the clint eastwood movie, and the joyce carol oates novel, i'm a fan of both, so i keep getting the name wrong |
| 00:44.14 | JoshTriplett | bddebian: Choose the right resolution for your LCD. |
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| 00:44.25 | Nurbs | gnome isn't a window manager |
| 00:44.26 | Caelum | thomas_adam: I'm using sawfish |
| 00:44.28 | bddebian | That was my thinking.. :-( |
| 00:44.31 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: OK. Heard of the "firesomething" extension? |
| 00:44.36 | thomas_adam | Caelum: Exactly. |
| 00:44.38 | mickeyks | mwilson: so what is it that links does for you when you visit the 10 year-old moron's site? |
| 00:44.43 | izzy | AH! |
| 00:44.46 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: no... |
| 00:44.49 | mwilson | mickeyks: Ignores all the crap. |
| 00:44.51 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: It picks a random name using "adjective noun" at startup. |
| 00:44.52 | izzy | alsamixer ncurses did the job |
| 00:45.05 | izzy | but the gui just messes with me |
| 00:45.07 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: Like "waterlizard" or "lightningelephant". :) |
| 00:45.11 | sussudio | why can't i use gpm to copy/paste from links anyway? |
| 00:45.15 | izzy | alright! its too loud now! woot! thanks. |
| 00:45.16 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: I know someone who uses it. |
| 00:45.17 | tipid | wheres a good place to get icons? |
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| 00:45.20 | Caelum | sussudio: hold shift |
| 00:45.23 | sussudio | tipid: the vatican |
| 00:45.25 | JoshTriplett | sussudio: Because links uses the mouse. |
| 00:45.27 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: that's weird |
| 00:45.28 | Caelum | sussudio: links has its own mouse support |
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| 00:45.31 | thomas_adam | tipid: www.google.com |
| 00:45.39 | mwilson | mickeyks: Take a look at csszengarden... looks exactly the same, no matter what idiotic theme you choose. |
| 00:45.41 | sussudio | :-| |
| 00:45.45 | mickeyks | hehehe |
| 00:45.46 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: Yeah. The intent was to poke fun at the changing names. |
| 00:46.24 | mickeyks | hm |
| 00:46.53 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: so really it's not adjective-noun, it's nature-related noun-noun. Like the wonder twins. |
| 00:46.57 | mickeyks | or even |
| 00:47.02 | mickeyks | elemental-animal |
| 00:47.13 | mickeyks | form of...an ice rat |
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| 00:47.27 | izzy | mozilla water monkey |
| 00:47.40 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: OK. |
| 00:47.46 | JoshTriplett | mickeyks: (Never used it myself.) |
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| 00:47.53 | mickeyks | i might have to get that firesomething extension |
| 00:48.01 | simonrvn | mozilla fartfish |
| 00:48.04 | mickeyks | JoshTriplett: me neither, just guessing |
| 00:48.05 | mwilson | mickeyks: I separate content from presentation. I care about content, I couldn't care less about presentation. |
| 00:48.30 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Agreed. |
| 00:48.52 | mickeyks | mwilson: that's understandable. So...what does it actually do? use a fixed font, and color scheme? |
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| 00:49.23 | mwilson | mickeyks: Renders what it understands, ignores the rest. That's what a browser is *supposed* to do. |
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| 00:50.07 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: should I try to figure out what in cvs fixed the bug and attach a patch to the bug or is "fixed in cvs" enough? |
| 00:50.16 | mickeyks | mwilson: pity it doesn't have tabs (though JoshTriplett points out that you can use it in konsole) |
| 00:50.25 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: However much effort you want to go to. |
| 00:50.27 | The_Vulture | elinks has tabs.. |
| 00:50.36 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Patches will get it fixed faster. |
| 00:50.39 | The_Vulture | quite convenient |
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| 00:50.59 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: really? hrm...maybe link2 does and i just havent figured them out yet |
| 00:51.01 | pyrophreak | how do I know which .iso s to download? |
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| 00:51.10 | Guerin | mickeyks: I tried firecritter from incoming last night, and I just couldn't get the little bastard working |
| 00:51.12 | JoshTriplett | pyrophreak: Just get the first one. |
| 00:51.18 | JoshTriplett | pyrophreak: You can install with just that. |
| 00:51.22 | JoshTriplett | pyrophreak: Get the rest off the net. |
| 00:51.28 | bonez39 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.38 | Blissex | pyrophreak: depends which Debian version and what you want to get. The binaries are the first few 1-3/4, and only the fitrst one is indispensable. |
| 00:51.41 | mwilson | mickeyks: If you're going to use it in console, why wouldn't you just use lynx, which is much better? |
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| 00:51.51 | mwilson | mickeyks: http://www.jwz.org/doc/markup.html |
| 00:52.01 | pyrophreak | what do you mean the first one? Im trying to use that jigdo thing, but there are a ton of dif folders and stuff, so should I just get the ones from the alpha folder? |
| 00:52.14 | JoshTriplett | pyrophreak: Just download the images directly. |
| 00:52.21 | bonez39 | /join #utah |
| 00:52.28 | mickeyks | Guerin: bummer |
| 00:52.30 | pyrophreak | how do I know wich ones to download though? |
| 00:52.39 | thomas_adam | pyrophreak: What are you trying to do? |
| 00:52.41 | directhex | pyrophreak, as said, it depends which debian version you want |
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| 00:52.53 | mwilson | mickeyks: I agree with very little jwz writes, but that, it's like I wrote it. |
| 00:52.55 | JoshTriplett | pyrophreak: The packages are sorted by popularity. Higher-numbered CDs have less popular packages. |
| 00:53.16 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Renders fine here. |
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| 00:53.50 | mwilson | mickeyks: Make sure you read this one, too: http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/design.html |
| 00:53.52 | pyrophreak | so would I download something like woody-alpha-7.iso? |
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| 00:54.10 | Caelum | woah, elinks is nice |
| 00:54.27 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: this is librsvg2 2.7.2? |
| 00:54.29 | The_Vulture | indeed it is |
| 00:54.33 | directhex | pyrophreak, f woody is what you want, and you want to get the cd with the least popular packages |
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| 00:54.40 | JoshTriplett | pyrophreak: No. First of all, do you actually have an Alpha processor? |
| 00:54.51 | JoshTriplett | pyrophreak: (Just checking to make sure.) |
| 00:54.58 | pyrophreak | I dont...think so |
| 00:55.00 | JoshTriplett | pyrophreak: Any no, you don't need CD 7. |
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| 00:55.11 | JoshTriplett | pyrophreak: Do you have an x86 (Intel or AMD)? |
| 00:55.14 | pyrophreak | ok so I just download the first 1 |
| 00:55.17 | directhex | pyrophreak, what kind of machine are you installing to? |
| 00:55.36 | directhex | pyrophreak, and to what ends? production server? gaming desktop? |
| 00:55.39 | pyrophreak | an old amd computer |
| 00:55.42 | pyrophreak | amdk6 |
| 00:55.51 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: No, 2.6.4-7 |
| 00:55.55 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: ahh |
| 00:56.01 | JoshTriplett | pyrophreak: You want the "i386" ISOs |
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| 00:56.08 | pyrophreak | ohh ok |
| 00:56.12 | mwilson | mickeyks: Expecially the last few paragraphs. |
| 00:56.14 | directhex | pyrophreak, then you don't really want something for the Digital Equipment Corp Alpha 64bit cpu |
| 00:56.18 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: keep that in mind if you upgrade to 2.7.2... |
| 00:56.18 | thomas_adam | Or a brain transplant. |
| 00:56.32 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Good to know. |
| 00:56.45 | JoshTriplett | pyrophreak: Read the Installation Manual. |
| 00:56.55 | JoshTriplett | pyrophreak: It's on the Debian website. |
| 00:56.59 | pyrophreak | ok thanks |
| 00:57.03 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: :) |
| 00:57.18 | directhex | pyrophreak, if it's a desktop box, i'd go with sarge. read http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD03OTM= for a deatiled hand-holding. if you're stuck on using stable (woody), then read the install manual on debian.org |
| 00:57.39 | JoshTriplett | directhex: Uh, do you really want to recommend testing to someone new to GNU/Linux or Debian? |
| 00:58.01 | directhex | JoshTriplett, definitely. woody is orders of magnitude less intuitive to install and configure |
| 00:58.07 | rich_ | thanks everyone, bbl |
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| 00:58.13 | gravity | Give him the standard testing disclaimers at least |
| 00:58.19 | directhex | !testing |
| 00:58.19 | dpkg | from memory, testing is a release phase between frozen and unstable. Sarge is now testing. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce-0012/msg00011.html for the creation of testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. |
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| 00:58.21 | mwilson | directhex: How do you figure that? |
| 00:58.29 | JoshTriplett | directhex: Hmmm. It also breaks more often, though. |
| 00:58.42 | JoshTriplett | directhex: And you need to understand things like the BTS. |
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| 00:59.11 | mwilson | gravity: Hey... you're a d-i guy. What *insanity* prompted the creation of a *Sid* d-i? |
| 00:59.12 | Aqua_ | hi all |
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| 00:59.36 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: The ability to test d-i stuff in unstable before putting it in testing. |
| 00:59.36 | Aqua_ | Excuse me please, is it 1) chmod 777 -R /dir/ or 2) chmod -R 777 /dir/ ? |
| 00:59.47 | ac1d | second |
| 00:59.48 | mwilson | gravity: We won't even talk about how you're not supposed to use the published betas, but don't tell anyone that on your page. |
| 00:59.50 | The_Vulture | Aqua_: what does the manual tell you? |
| 00:59.50 | gravity | mwilson: I don't know the details really, but JoshTriplett's explanation is basically mine |
| 00:59.53 | ac1d | Aqua_, man chmod |
| 00:59.54 | thomas_adam | Aqua_: first |
| 01:00.04 | guccio | hi all |
| 01:00.05 | gravity | mwilson: Well, d-i is meant for testers, not users who don't know what they're doing |
| 01:00.06 | ac1d | thomas_adam, man lists second |
| 01:00.09 | gravity | At this point |
| 01:00.13 | Aqua_ | ok ok thank you |
| 01:00.20 | thomas_adam | ac1d: I hadn't finished my sentence. |
| 01:00.24 | gravity | mwilson: Of course, the release schedule has complicated that a bit |
| 01:00.24 | directhex | mwilson, d-i is FAR nicer for someone unskilled than the woody installer. plus a number of steps are done automatically (e.g. the xfree86 scripts are far more sophisticated) |
| 01:00.26 | ac1d | chmod [OPTS] mode file |
| 01:00.43 | JoshTriplett | directhex: True. When it works, it's nicer. |
| 01:00.44 | mwilson | gravity: Your channel topic tells people specifically not to use the betas, but the web page doesn't say the same. |
| 01:00.48 | thomas_adam | directhex: So? The maintenance of the system is of more importance than the install. |
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| 01:01.04 | mickeyks | mwilson: good stuff |
| 01:01.06 | gravity | mwilson: I think the web page is out of date. joeyh hasn't been giving it the love it needs, iirc |
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| 01:01.19 | mwilson | gravity: I found that more amusing than the fact that someone had been insane enough to enable people to install *Sid*. |
| 01:01.29 | thomas_adam | heh. |
| 01:01.31 | gravity | mwilson: Well, the dev's use it |
| 01:01.34 | gravity | mwilson: So it's there |
| 01:01.34 | directhex | thomas_adam, an old k6 is not gonna be a production server. |
| 01:01.35 | mickeyks | mwilson: it certainly does load pages fast |
| 01:01.44 | thomas_adam | directhex: That's not what I said, |
| 01:01.47 | mwilson | gravity: The "devs" don't matter, now do they? |
| 01:01.55 | gravity | mwilson: Huh? |
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| 01:02.14 | mwilson | gravity: Or do you never actually plan to release the thing? |
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| 01:02.35 | gravity | mwilson: It's pretty trivial to remove the sid option |
| 01:02.46 | mickeyks | mwilson: in fact, links loads pages so fast it's kind of sick |
| 01:03.02 | mwilson | mickeyks: See how nice it is when you just ignore the crap? |
| 01:03.06 | IceDC571 | does the Hauppauge 250MCE work out of the box with the new linux kernel? |
| 01:03.31 | mickeyks | mwilson: is there a way to do tabs? |
| 01:03.36 | mwilson | mickeyks: No. |
| 01:03.58 | mwilson | mickeyks: I don't miss them... I despise tabbed browsing. |
| 01:03.59 | Justin | links-hacked can do tabs |
| 01:04.08 | mickeyks | and The_Vulture says elinks can |
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| 01:04.31 | The_Vulture | mwilson: I find it quite useful to have more than one thing open at once, HTML documentation of various kinds, local tv timetable, etc.. |
| 01:04.47 | mickeyks | yeah |
| 01:04.50 | The_Vulture | not sure what there is to dispise, same reason I'd have multiple terminals open, or multiple anything much |
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| 01:05.30 | mickeyks | i usually have about five tabs open at a time |
| 01:05.30 | mickeyks | and several xterms too |
| 01:05.30 | The_Vulture | well I just use screen rather tham multiple graphical terms, but same idea |
| 01:05.40 | thomas_adam | jwz is .... a tosser. |
| 01:05.42 | mickeyks | i haven't tried screen |
| 01:05.43 | mwilson | The_Vulture: <shrug> When I want another window, I open one. It's not like the cost is terribly high. |
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| 01:06.09 | thomas_adam | mwilson: As long as you use rxvt's like any self-respecting person should. |
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| 01:06.13 | mathrick | hi, is Mozilla in Sid currently broken? |
| 01:06.21 | thomas_adam | mathrick: BTS, FFS. |
| 01:06.24 | sussudio | mathrick: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 01:06.27 | mwilson | thomas_adam: No, as long as you use xterm, thank you. |
| 01:06.28 | mickeyks | Justin: is there a links-hacked as a deb package? |
| 01:06.32 | The_Vulture | mwilson: it's not that it's high, it's just that it's convenient because it means I can keep everything in one screen session, easier to manage, I generally don't have a lot of windows open in x |
| 01:06.33 | Justin | mickeyks: no |
| 01:06.33 | ac1d | ~tell mathrick about tias |
| 01:06.40 | ac1d | BAH |
| 01:06.46 | mickeyks | well |
| 01:06.46 | sussudio | tias? |
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| 01:06.56 | mickeyks | when elinks gets into sarge, i'll hook it up |
| 01:07.10 | The_Vulture | also means I can open links in the current webpage in background tabs, keep reading, then go back to that branch and see what was there |
| 01:07.28 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: elinks has been around for a while, dunno why it wouldn't be in sarge.. *shrugS* |
| 01:07.40 | mwilson | The_Vulture: I don't "browse". I don't go there unless I already know there's something I want there. |
| 01:07.42 | SM2k | will getting dual layer DVD burning support require a kernel upgrade or will the dvdrtools package suffice at some future point? |
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| 01:07.52 | winston | hey I am trying to install gnome but when I type apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment then it says it needs mozilla-xft, to apt-get install mozilla-xft it says i need mozilla, but that is already installed! whats up with that ? |
| 01:08.08 | robink | rrgh....syslogd isn't logging daemon messages :-( |
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| 01:08.15 | mwilson | SM2k: Gee, let's get out our crystal ball. |
| 01:08.16 | Justin | winston: reportbug gnome-desktop-environment |
| 01:08.20 | robink | Specifically, I want it to log pppd's output...however it isn't logging anything... |
| 01:08.20 | The_Vulture | mwilson: even if there is something I know I want there, if it's a link in the middle of a document that I'm reading, I'd rather not context swithc, then switch back, nor go hunting back through the article to follow the link |
| 01:08.33 | The_Vulture | I can follow it when I see it, keep that state in the browser instead of my head, and keep reading |
| 01:08.47 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: confound it, it *is* in sarge...hrm...i must have been told that...why did i go and get links2 instead? |
| 01:08.49 | robink | I've had a few hiccups w/ my /var/log directory (running a built-on-boot shmfs for /var on an embedded box), and I'm thinking that might be part of the trouble. |
| 01:08.55 | SM2k | mwilson, tell you what, let me try again... does dual layer support req new ioctls? |
| 01:08.56 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: *shrugs* beats me |
| 01:08.56 | mickeyks | what can links2 do that elinks can't do |
| 01:09.03 | robink | mickeyks: JavaScript |
| 01:09.07 | jetscreamer | why do console fonts rock in woody but suck in sid? |
| 01:09.12 | mwilson | The_Vulture: righ-click the link, "open in new window", push window to back of Z-order, go on. |
| 01:09.15 | The_Vulture | dunno whether elinks has a usable graphics mode |
| 01:09.16 | mickeyks | robink: really? hrm |
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| 01:09.25 | winston | Justin: what do you mean about reportbug, you think i should report this as an error ? |
| 01:09.27 | mwilson | SM2k: Again, let's get out the crystal ball. |
| 01:09.29 | robink | mickeyks: It also has some quasi-graphics mode :) |
| 01:09.53 | robink | The only thing syslogd will log to /var/log/messages is "Jul 5 17:56:33 localhost syslogd 1.4.1#10: restart." |
| 01:09.57 | SM2k | mwilson, heh. thanks. I seem to have lost mine. |
| 01:09.58 | mickeyks | robink: does elinks not have graphics? |
| 01:10.04 | robink | mickeyks: I'm not sure ... |
| 01:10.06 | mwilson | mickeyks: I've never used it, I dunno. |
| 01:10.08 | simonrvn | no |
| 01:10.10 | The_Vulture | mwilson: indeed, except instead of that, I just middle click the link, it opens in a background tab, and I keep reading, I'm not sure what it is about tabs that offends you that windows don't do.. *shrugs* |
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| 01:10.24 | The_Vulture | 'spose it depends on the window manager as to how different a window is from a tab |
| 01:10.29 | mickeyks | oh...so that's why i didn't get it...weird tradeoff...tabs or graphics |
| 01:10.33 | dpuckett | Is it possible to use test/unstable packages on the Stable version of Debion (sorry for my ignorance) |
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| 01:10.45 | simonrvn | dpuckett: no |
| 01:10.51 | simonrvn | !bobbitt |
| 01:10.52 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
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| 01:11.15 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: I use firefox for graphical browsing, elinks just runs in my screen session for when it's more useful |
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| 01:12.03 | thomas_adam | Personally, I'm with mwilson on this. |
| 01:12.07 | mwilson | simonrvn: What would be the point? |
| 01:12.07 | simonrvn | at least v1 anyway |
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| 01:12.19 | Tzigane | G'day |
| 01:12.32 | Tzigane | I'm wondering if I can get a tip on exim4 alias configuration; I'm writing to a file called /etc/aliases_local which I want to behave like /etc/aliases for exim. I've noticed the default debian exim conf has a file router/400_exim4-config_system_aliases which uses a line data = ${lookup{$local_part}lsearch{/etc/aliases}} |
| 01:12.34 | mwilson | simonrvn: If CSS is required to navigate the site, the site's worthless anyway. |
| 01:12.56 | mickeyks | The_Vulture: so you use elinks for stuff like searching google? |
| 01:12.56 | Tzigane | Is there a way to use two files in this lookup? |
| 01:12.56 | The_Vulture | mickeyks: depends what I'm searching for, but yes, that's my home page, google shows up fine |
| 01:13.08 | tattoo | hey everybody, could somebody tell me how can I print a document behind a NT network? |
| 01:13.13 | simonrvn | mwilson: to navigate? no, i agree there, but just some basic css1 support |
| 01:13.25 | mwilson | simonrvn: Again, why bother? |
| 01:13.36 | simonrvn | mwilson: thought experiment |
| 01:13.37 | mwilson | simonrvn: If it's not required, why mess with it? |
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| 01:14.23 | mwilson | simonrvn: No, I mean in general. If we agree that requiring CSS to make the page usable means the site's worthless, then why bother? |
| 01:14.39 | simonrvn | yadada |
| 01:14.39 | mwilson | simonrvn: Why waste the time rendering it? |
| 01:14.43 | p1c0 | im im changing my resolv.conf, do i need to reboot to takes my change ? |
| 01:15.08 | _rene_ | no |
| 01:15.14 | simonrvn | p1c0: no |
| 01:15.22 | simonrvn | p1c0: this isn't winblo$e |
| 01:15.24 | _rene_ | you hardly need to reboot for anything under GNU/Linux |
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| 01:15.35 | _rene_ | (except exchanging the kernel or so) |
| 01:15.46 | azure | actually it'd be nice to support some of the css features for accessibility in text mode browsers |
| 01:15.56 | tart | dpkg firefox |
| 01:15.56 | dpkg | somebody said firefox was mozilla-firefox, of course |
| 01:16.07 | mwilson | If CSS is required for "accessability", then the site's worthless. |
| 01:16.08 | tart | dpkg firebird |
| 01:16.08 | dpkg | firebird is probably the DFSG-free version of Borland's InterBase: http://firebird.sf.net/ If you want the web browser, see Phoenix |
| 01:16.19 | sussudio | !botsex tart |
| 01:16.29 | _rene_ | shouldn't that now say firefox instead of phoenix? :) |
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| 01:16.43 | tart | :) that's what I was checking |
| 01:16.52 | _rene_ | or does phoenix redirect to firefox? :) |
| 01:16.57 | azure | mwilson: sigh, but you can make things easier for users with css features |
| 01:17.09 | jetx | isp burped :( |
| 01:17.11 | simonrvn | !phoenix |
| 01:17.11 | dpkg | i guess phoenix is lightweight and fast, still well-equipped (tabbed browsing, customizable toolbar, etc.) www browser based on mozilla andyoucan find its project page at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix, or deb http://people.debian.org/~eric/debian/i386/ ./ for prerelease packages, or , or now called firebird |
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| 01:17.33 | _rene_ | umm, those packages stuff should be nuked |
| 01:17.38 | tart | how do you check what version is on the unstable release? |
| 01:17.40 | _rene_ | imho |
| 01:17.48 | tart | can you ask the bots about that? |
| 01:17.58 | mwilson | azure: I've yet to see a single instance of CSS making anything "easier" for anyone other than some wannabee graphic designer. |
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| 01:18.00 | simonrvn | yes |
| 01:18.30 | Justin | mwilson: css makes it easy for people like you to look at websites. |
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| 01:18.47 | azure | mwilson: well css2 has support for aural stylesheets which a screenreader enabled browser could use. |
| 01:18.48 | mwilson | Justin: How do you figure that? |
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| 01:18.51 | jetscreamer | ok. so why do console fonts rock in woody, but suck greatly in sid, by comparison. (imo) |
| 01:19.06 | Syphoon | mwilson: makes it easier for correct print versions |
| 01:19.13 | mwilson | Syphoon: We're not talking about printing. |
| 01:19.18 | Justin | mwilson: because you use lynx, and lynx ignores css, haven't we gone over this? |
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| 01:19.33 | mwilson | Justin: You do realize that makes no sense. |
| 01:19.54 | jetscreamer | not the same justin, is it |
| 01:19.58 | Justin | mwilson: it makes perfect sense, and you know it |
| 01:20.58 | mwilson | azure: Yes, we certainly need to take a simple task like reading out HTML-tagged text with a screenreader, something that's been able to be done for years, and make it a *much* more complex task. Why, that makes *perfect* sense. |
| 01:21.05 | mwilson | </sarcasm> |
| 01:21.29 | azure | mwilson: so in html you can add pauses, change tone, etc? cool. |
| 01:21.48 | mwilson | azure: Why would I need to do any of those things? |
| 01:21.52 | simonrvn | mwilson: dude, HTML has gone beyond version 2.0, get with the times ;) |
| 01:21.56 | jetscreamer | it's called video |
| 01:22.08 | tart | ... how can I ask the bot what version a package has in unstable? |
| 01:22.17 | The_Vulture | mwilson: if you were writing a web page for any commercial entity you might need to do so for accessibility, equal rights, avoid getting sued etc |
| 01:22.28 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:22.28 | simonrvn | yes |
| 01:22.43 | mwilson | simonrvn: It's not a question of "getting with the times"... I'm simply not interested in the crap. It does nothing to enhance my experience, so why should I have to deal with it? |
| 01:22.59 | thomas_adam | The text, only the text. |
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| 01:23.18 | azure | mwilson: because reading in normal speech patterns is more comprehensible than most readers reading straight text. |
| 01:23.20 | simonrvn | mwilson: just don't get crap web sites mixed up with real sites with content. |
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| 01:23.32 | simonrvn | mwilson: that use the same lvel of tech |
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| 01:24.05 | mwilson | simonrvn: A "real site with content" will still have that content, regardless of the crap, unless the crap IS the content. |
| 01:24.08 | simonrvn | i write for legibilty, usability, and content, looks come after |
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| 01:25.18 | simonrvn | this is an opinion, not a statement of fact, therefore not up for discussion. |
| 01:25.43 | jetscreamer | what exactly do i need to do to get the console fonts in sid looking as good as the console fonts in woody? |
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| 01:25.52 | bekks | hello |
| 01:26.08 | simonrvn | use the same font? :) |
| 01:26.11 | mwilson | jetscreamer: Uh, why wouldn't they look the same regardless? The video card is the video card. |
| 01:26.18 | bekks | someone please can clue me on differential backups please? and how to create them? |
| 01:26.20 | Guerin | jetscreamer: how should we know what your woody fonts look like? |
| 01:26.28 | tart | why does www.debian.org/releases/unstable say that SID is the unstable? |
| 01:26.31 | jetscreamer | mwilson, by default, they appear different on upgrade to sid |
| 01:26.32 | tart | I thought it was the testing? |
| 01:26.40 | The_Vulture | tart: because it is |
| 01:26.42 | The_Vulture | sarge is testing |
| 01:26.42 | simonrvn | tart: because it is. and it isn't SID, it's sid |
| 01:26.46 | Guerin | tart: whoever told you that is a fool |
| 01:26.47 | mwilson | tart: Probably because it IS. What yo "thought" is wrong. |
| 01:27.02 | jetscreamer | Guerin, because this isn't a local problem imo |
| 01:27.05 | tart | dpkg unstable |
| 01:27.05 | dpkg | i guess unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable If you have to ask whether you should use unstable, you shouldn't. See testing. see sid |
| 01:27.09 | mwilson | jetscreamer: Oh, you use the crap that console-tools provides? I disabled all that. |
| 01:27.25 | mwilson | jetscreamer: There isn't a readable font in that entire pile. |
| 01:27.29 | jetscreamer | mwilson, i use whatever is "default" |
| 01:27.29 | Guerin | jetscreamer: my console fonts look just peachy in sid, so i have NFIWYTA |
| 01:27.42 | jetscreamer | Guerin, that's ok |
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| 01:27.55 | tart | wow, that got some people going... |
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| 01:28.17 | mwilson | jetscreamer: I think the default was that horrid Latin-1 thing with the odd zeros and screwed-up descenders. |
| 01:28.22 | thomas_adam | tart: Your nickname does that. |
| 01:28.28 | tart | lol |
| 01:28.31 | mickeyks | metafilter homepage is kind of hard to read in links, and that's mostly content |
| 01:28.42 | mickeyks | or at least, in links -e |
| 01:28.45 | jetscreamer | was as in "was in woody" |
| 01:28.50 | thomas_adam | !tell tart -about lol |
| 01:28.57 | mwilson | mickeyks: That's metafilter.org, isn't it? |
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| 01:30.13 | ac1d | ne1 want to lol. |
| 01:30.21 | mickeyks | mwilson: .com |
| 01:30.27 | ac1d | eh, ur no fun. |
| 01:30.32 | jetscreamer | would be interesting to note the dev differences between the potato-woody team and the woody-sarge/sid team |
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| 01:30.50 | mwilson | mickeyks: Same thing. |
| 01:31.02 | gravity | jetscreamer: It'd be hard, since there was the great purge of inactive dd's since woody released |
| 01:31.03 | mwilson | mickeyks: What's wrong with it? |
| 01:31.07 | Guerin | my biggest gripe with text-browsers is lack of tabs and general keyboard-centricity |
| 01:31.11 | winston | is there a graphical framebuffer browser i can use with debian? (links2 only seems to offer x even though i have all the libs) |
| 01:31.32 | mwilson | winston: So build it with fb support, if you want it. |
| 01:31.40 | jetscreamer | somebody knew his shit who isn't helping on testing/sid anymore imo |
| 01:31.45 | mickeyks | mwilson: it's just that all the posts are scrunched together...when you see it in graphics-oriented browser, the text is spaced out better |
| 01:31.46 | winston | mwilson: hmm... ok i suppose i oughta try that |
| 01:31.58 | mickeyks | mwilson: and those spaces in this context do have meaning... |
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| 01:32.12 | simonrvn | Guerin: w3m has tabs |
| 01:32.17 | karsten | winston: links, lyxn, w3m. |
| 01:32.23 | Justin | mickeyks: spaces are not content |
| 01:32.25 | mwilson | mickeyks: http://members.cox.net/msw/ss/ss07051831.png |
| 01:32.37 | mickeyks | Justin: of course not, but without them, the content is harder to parse |
| 01:32.43 | mwilson | mickeyks: The way that looks is somehow not usable? |
| 01:32.51 | karsten | mickeyks: What site in particular? |
| 01:33.01 | Guerin | jetscreamer: why's that, in particular? |
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| 01:34.10 | mickeyks | mwilson: i cant resolve that url. but you have to scroll down the page to see what i'm talking about, the first stuff would normally be on the sidebar |
| 01:34.14 | mwilson | I remember last year sometime when there was that insanity outbreak on coneole-tools/console-data... it was really screwed up. |
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| 01:34.15 | mickeyks | karsten: metafilter.com |
| 01:34.40 | mwilson | mickeyks: Hm? What's wrong with that URL? |
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| 01:35.24 | karsten | mwilson: Is that your desktop? |
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| 01:35.59 | mwilson | karsten: Yes... why? |
| 01:36.19 | mickeyks | mwilson: ok i see it...like i was saying, though, that's the metafilter sidebar text you're seeing. the content that changes, the posts etc, you have to scroll down for, and they are all bunched together |
| 01:36.23 | karsten | mwilson: Curious. What's res & desktop? |
| 01:36.40 | Guerin | hrm, w3m is cool |
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| 01:36.49 | jetscreamer | could somebody look in their /etc/ssh dir and tell me the name of the sshd_not_to_be_run (i'm close to the name) |
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| 01:36.53 | mwilson | mickeyks: They're not bunched together here. |
| 01:37.14 | mwilson | karsten: 1280x1024x2 (xinerama) |
| 01:37.30 | gravity | jetscreamer: Just use dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
| 01:37.32 | gravity | Much easier |
| 01:37.37 | Beschwa | i trying to apt-get stuff and keep getting error code 1 what is it? |
| 01:37.51 | mwilson | karsten: No desktop, just openbox3 and a slightly customized fspanel. |
| 01:38.10 | Justin | mickeyks: shitty code. |
| 01:38.18 | Justin | mickeyks: those should have been an unordered list |
| 01:38.22 | jetscreamer | touch /etc/ssh/blah is easy |
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| 01:38.49 | jetscreamer | but the/one of the ssh upgrade(s) removes it w/o asking |
| 01:38.50 | Justin | if the CONTENT is a LIST you use <ul> and have your stylesheet display it however you want |
| 01:38.54 | gravity | jetscreamer: Not if the file has some bizarre name :-) I was trying to remember it last night too, and just settled for dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 01:39.21 | jetscreamer | i didn't see it in man either, when i looked b4 |
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| 01:39.28 | karsten | mwilson: OK. |
| 01:39.37 | karsten | mwilson: What's the icons coming from? Nautilus? |
| 01:39.47 | mickeyks | Justin: hrm...i know the guy, maybe i can get him to change it if it won't affect anything else |
| 01:40.11 | karsten | mickeyks: http://linuxmafia/~karsten/Images/metafilter-w3m.png http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/metafilter-galeon.png |
| 01:40.21 | mwilson | karsten: Gods, no. I have no use for Nautilus. Just a copy of idesk that I launch and usually ignore. |
| 01:40.24 | mickeyks | mwilson: it's not terrible, but after each line that says "xx comments" there is supposed to be some space. |
| 01:40.31 | karsten | mwilson: OK. |
| 01:40.44 | mwilson | mickeyks: It's navigable. What else matters? |
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| 01:40.50 | ez_ | hiall dudes! |
| 01:41.01 | jetscreamer | hail |
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| 01:41.34 | Justin | mickeyks: there is not space in the code |
| 01:41.35 | karsten | mwilson: gkrellm on the right? |
| 01:41.45 | ez_ | Somebody here has problems with kernel 2.6 in testing ? here in my box the X are very slow .. |
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| 01:41.57 | thomas_adam | Pah, http://linuxmafia.com/~n6tadam/screenshot1.png |
| 01:42.21 | thomas_adam | seeing as we have screenshots floating. |
| 01:42.28 | kremlyn | hmm.. |
| 01:42.31 | mwilson | karsten: Yes. |
| 01:42.34 | kremlyn | how in the living tripe does this work? |
| 01:42.35 | kremlyn | http://www.mindgames.com/cardtrick.phtml |
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| 01:43.24 | Justin | kremlyn: all the cards are different. |
| 01:43.29 | karsten | kremlyn: All are different. |
| 01:43.36 | mwilson | I wasn't trying to start my-screenshot-is-better-than-yours, I was just showing what the site looked like. :) |
| 01:43.47 | thomas_adam | mwilson: hehehehe. |
| 01:43.53 | mwilson | I'm well aware that no one likes the way I like things to look. |
| 01:44.00 | Justin | kremlyn: you didn't figure it out after the first time? |
| 01:44.01 | kremlyn | AAAAAAAAAAAAH |
| 01:44.04 | thomas_adam | mwilson: That matters not, as long as you like it. |
| 01:44.46 | sussudio | thomas_adam: still, the goat doesn't like the wig much. |
| 01:44.56 | thomas_adam | sussudio: hahaha. |
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| 01:46.31 | mickeyks | mwilson: i find it difficult to navigate, in this particular case. i want to be able to glance down the page and see a series of posts without having to look closely to separate them |
| 01:46.50 | thomas_adam | mickeyks: so use another browser. |
| 01:46.58 | thomas_adam | Oh, yeah, you have me on /ignore |
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| 01:48.11 | Xm4n | :) |
| 01:48.17 | Xm4n | hi thomas_adam,howdy |
| 01:48.38 | thomas_adam | Xm4n: err, hello |
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| 01:48.46 | thomas_adam | Xm4n: Do I know you? |
| 01:48.56 | mickeyks | Justin: would making it an unordered list do the trick? |
| 01:48.57 | Xm4n | thomas_adam: you helped me a lot |
| 01:49.00 | Xm4n | hmm |
| 01:49.06 | Guerin | !r00t^ alertA |
| 01:49.08 | mwilson | mickeyks: I find the slight increase in navigation more than offset by using links to view it. |
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| 01:49.15 | thomas_adam | Xm4n: Oh, then you're welcome. :) |
| 01:49.20 | Xm4n | hi Guerin howdy |
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| 01:49.44 | Guerin | Xm4n: grrrr |
| 01:49.52 | mickeyks | mwilson: i think you're probably right in most cases. i am biased about that particular site because i visit it a lot, and am used to seeing it the other way |
| 01:50.03 | Xm4n | thomas_adam: a friend suggests me http://www.backports.org i check its dedicated for debian woody users,but,is it safe to use their packages ? |
| 01:50.25 | Guerin | r00t^: do your own research |
| 01:50.25 | Xm4n | Guerin: i mean to say how are you ? |
| 01:50.36 | karsten | Xm4n: Yes, as much as anything else. |
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| 01:51.04 | Xm4n | karsten: And it will not break your woody apt tree ? |
| 01:51.27 | Covener | Guerin: Haha! |
| 01:51.38 | pat5star | I'm trying to join another channel but I keep getting "You need to be identified to join that channel", what does that mean and why can I enter this room? |
| 01:51.43 | mwilson | mickeyks: But for me, most blogs are firmly in the don't-waste-time-on-them category. |
| 01:52.03 | Guerin | pat5star: /msg nickserv help |
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| 01:52.11 | pat5star | Guerin: ok, thanks |
| 01:52.17 | Guerin | pat5star: you need to register a nick and be identified to use some channels |
| 01:52.31 | simonrvn | +r was removed from here |
| 01:52.41 | mickeyks | mwilson: me too. but i like that one. |
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| 01:53.07 | pat5star | Guerin: I haven't been here in awhile, but I never used to have this problem...I had this channel and about 4 others I automatically join but this is the only one that let me in today! |
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| 01:53.14 | karsten | Xm4n: Dependencies should be handled relatively gracefully. The idea of backports is that the packages are woody-compatible. |
| 01:53.23 | thomas_adam | Guerin: confirm my paranoia.... Xm4n is the dreaded r00t^? |
| 01:53.32 | Guerin | pat5star: a sign of the times - there are a lot of bots and spammers around nowadays |
| 01:53.37 | Guerin | thomas_adam: undeniably |
| 01:53.46 | mwilson | pat5star: So are you going to complain about it, or are you going to take the solution you were offered and FIX it? |
| 01:53.47 | pat5star | Guerin: oh I see...ok, well thanks for your help |
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| 01:53.59 | Guerin | pat5star: you're welcome |
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| 01:54.39 | vladkao`xchat | thomas_adam: you're getting more paranoid of late ;) |
| 01:54.40 | simonrvn | setting +r would stop the spambots, but cause problms with non-ided users... |
| 01:54.46 | pat5star | mwilson: crusty today? I asked a simple question and when I got my answer I thought I'd explain my puzzlement, sorry...guess once you get an answer here you are supposed to immediately leave then right? |
| 01:55.02 | mike_ | i got an interesting problem. debian kernel 2.4.18-1-k7 with initrd is making a temp device called /dev2/root. it's screwing with me cause i can't run quotas because of it |
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| 01:55.10 | mike_ | how would i resolve this? |
| 01:55.12 | mickeyks | mwilson: i'm actually surprised you have that many icons on your desktop |
| 01:55.35 | simonrvn | mickeyks: build a homebrew kernel with no initrd |
| 01:55.49 | mwilson | mickeyks: I seldom if ever use them. That's what keybindings are for. |
| 01:55.53 | simonrvn | mickeyks: woops |
| 01:56.01 | simonrvn | mike_: see what i said to mickeyks |
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| 01:56.23 | thomas_adam | Hence why I like my desktop -- plain and keybindings are a must. |
| 01:56.29 | thomas_adam | vladkao`xchat: pah. :) |
| 01:56.35 | mike_ | simonrvn: is there a prebuild kernel that i can apt-get for that? |
| 01:56.46 | mike_ | simonrvn: don't wanna break any apt stuff by compiling from source |
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