| 00:00.08 | dumitru | guestish: many thanks once again, your help is very appreciated! |
| 00:00.10 | eeyore- | JoshTriplett: probably. but personally, i don't really care about the "other platforms" ;-) anyhow, he just had a question about ptmx |
| 00:00.19 | pibby | shift: but you've done all the alsaconf things already? |
| 00:00.20 | JoshTriplett | eeyore-: Heh, yeah, me neither. |
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| 00:00.27 | shift | pibby: yup |
| 00:00.41 | moshe | I'm having trouble configuring my sound card in Sarge. Is there a webmin module that will configure the sound for me? |
| 00:00.44 | pibby | shift: do system sounds work? will anything play with xmms or mplayer? |
| 00:00.46 | guestish | dumitru: np, did it have what you were looking for? |
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| 00:01.39 | shift | pibby: when they want too yes, i think the LT might be overheating as after its been on for more then 20mins things start going wrong (and i can't seem to make the fans go any fater on it) |
| 00:01.41 | dumitru | guestish: for the time being, it looks like; if I need anything else to know and google won't help me, I'll dare to bother you again. thanks again! |
| 00:01.47 | JoshTriplett | moshe: I don't know about a webmin module. However, I think that if you install alsa-base and the alsa-modules package for your kernel, ALSA will autodetect the appropriate module. |
| 00:01.48 | guestish | k |
| 00:01.56 | JoshTriplett | moshe: (Also make sure you have hotplug installed.) |
| 00:02.00 | moshe | JoshTriplett, nifty |
| 00:02.07 | moshe | I just have to install the packages and reboot? |
| 00:02.13 | macpato | can somebody tell what is the module for a Radeon 7200 during the woody installation |
| 00:02.15 | shift | pibby: under win2k/xp there like a wind tunnel under linux there maybe 50% |
| 00:02.29 | JoshTriplett | moshe: I _think_ so. |
| 00:02.42 | JoshTriplett | macpato: "radeon". |
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| 00:02.49 | moshe | does using alsa require kernel 2.4? I'm running the 2.6 in sarge |
| 00:02.56 | JoshTriplett | macpato: Although in Sarge and Sid you just use "ati" and it autodetects. |
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| 00:03.02 | pibby | shift: that is really weird, I'm gonna search, maybe we can find a way to control your fans... acpi or apm? |
| 00:03.06 | JoshTriplett | moshe: No, it doesn't. |
| 00:03.08 | AppleServer | moshe: alsa runs quite well in 2.6 |
| 00:03.14 | JoshTriplett | moshe: ALSA is integrated into 2.6 . |
| 00:03.17 | macpato | <JoshTriplett: thanks a lot, bud |
| 00:03.21 | JoshTriplett | moshe: So you won't see separate packages. |
| 00:03.23 | shift | pibby: well i can enable eather as there both modules |
| 00:03.36 | JoshTriplett | shift: Laptop fan? |
| 00:03.38 | shift | i was using APIC w/o APM and i tryed APM w/o APIC |
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| 00:03.41 | moshe | it's not compiled to require 2.4? why does the package have a kernel version number in it? |
| 00:03.41 | shift | JoshTriplett: yeah |
| 00:03.47 | JoshTriplett | shift: What model? |
| 00:04.00 | eeyore- | hmm, this is nice to know |
| 00:04.01 | shift | Dell Inspiron 8200 |
| 00:04.03 | eeyore- | http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-02.html |
| 00:04.08 | JoshTriplett | moshe: The alsa-modules-<version> packages are each dependent on a given 2.4 kernel. |
| 00:04.11 | JoshTriplett | shift: i8kutils |
| 00:04.17 | JoshTriplett | shift: And the i8k module. |
| 00:04.17 | eeyore- | i've noticed a little of that attitude from asus myself |
| 00:04.23 | McQuaid | i've always done alsa from src |
| 00:04.27 | JoshTriplett | shift: I have an 8100, though I don't try to control the fans. |
| 00:04.32 | moshe | JoshTriplett, but since I'm running 2.6, it's irrelevant? |
| 00:04.36 | eeyore- | "sorry, we don't trust memtest86 to check our motherboards ... there are bugs with that program" |
| 00:04.40 | McQuaid | just how i got it working so when i went deb i kept doing it that way |
| 00:04.48 | JoshTriplett | moshe: For 2.6, just install the kernel-image-2.6.blah package, and it should just work. |
| 00:04.51 | pibby | shift: I'm not using APM on mine, the fans seems to speed up when they need to |
| 00:04.57 | shift | JoshTriplett: k, so u know the command that controls them? (i8kfan, fancontroll etc?) |
| 00:05.01 | eeyore- | i can vouch for that suckiness/arrogant attitude asus has towards anything non-windows, non-corporate-approved |
| 00:05.09 | JoshTriplett | shift: No, but the documentation is great. |
| 00:05.16 | JoshTriplett | shift: Hang on a sec. |
| 00:05.24 | shift | k, i'm back on the laptop now |
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| 00:06.06 | JoshTriplett | shift: Read http://people.debian.org/~dz/i8k/00-README carefully. |
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| 00:06.15 | shift | JoshTriplett: cheers |
| 00:06.19 | JoshTriplett | shift: It tells you all about how to manage the fan thresholds. |
| 00:06.34 | MepisBelle | Hey pibby |
| 00:06.38 | agnew | still no dice :( |
| 00:06.59 | shift | JoshTriplett: got it working, apprently the fans where set too off for some strange reason |
| 00:07.02 | JoshTriplett | shift: (Note that you don't need to worry about the installation stuff, since you can just apt-get install all the utilities.) |
| 00:07.03 | moshe | how do I get shorewall to start automatically at boot? |
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| 00:07.22 | Reubot | whats the best way to re-install debian? |
| 00:07.35 | JoshTriplett | moshe: Edit /etc/default/shorewall |
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| 00:07.50 | JoshTriplett | Reubot: Depends on why you need to reinstall Debian. |
| 00:08.00 | Reubot | JoshTriplett: I lost my init. |
| 00:08.00 | JoshTriplett | Reubot: Particular packages, or the whole distro? |
| 00:08.05 | JoshTriplett | Reubot: Ah. |
| 00:08.09 | JoshTriplett | Reubot: Then don't reinstall. |
| 00:08.15 | thomas_adam | You "lost" it? How? |
| 00:08.20 | JoshTriplett | Reubot: Do you have a rescue floppy, or a rescue CD? |
| 00:08.26 | JoshTriplett | shift: :) |
| 00:08.35 | Reubot | yeah I got a rescue floppy I made |
| 00:08.44 | Reubot | when I first installed |
| 00:08.55 | thomas_adam | I see. |
| 00:09.04 | JoshTriplett | Reubot: Well, you can't just boot the system with the rescue floppy. |
| 00:09.11 | JoshTriplett | Reubot: Because that'll invoke init. |
| 00:09.24 | JoshTriplett | Reubot: Instead, boot up the installation system, like you were going to install. |
| 00:09.27 | helix | zinx: bold != "colorful background" |
| 00:09.30 | Reubot | thomas_adam: fs was stuffing up, kernel complaining about inodes..so I used fsck to fix that....but know it can't find init |
| 00:09.30 | pibby | hiya MepisBelle |
| 00:09.32 | helix | zinx: and using bold fonts doesn't work |
| 00:09.37 | Reubot | ok |
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| 00:09.42 | kruzi | eeyore-: i just booted back to 2.2.20-idepci #1 which is the stock debian kernel and X works fine |
| 00:09.43 | kruzi | ? |
| 00:09.46 | JoshTriplett | Reubot: Then, you can switch to a console and fix things. |
| 00:09.48 | thomas_adam | Reubot: That's indicative of more promiscuous errors. |
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| 00:09.51 | pibby | MepisBelle: have you noticed that you can't start mozilla while firefox is running? just opens a new firefox window |
| 00:10.02 | shift | JoshTriplett / pibby: seems i8kmon wasn't running so it was BIOS defauls |
| 00:10.04 | Reubot | alright |
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| 00:10.17 | JoshTriplett | Reubot: Once in the console, chroot into the system, and reinstall whatever you need. |
| 00:10.19 | helix | ion users of the world: please tell me how to float a window |
| 00:10.21 | thomas_adam | Reubot: At least try: linux S init=/bin/bash ro, from the bootpropt. |
| 00:10.22 | zinx | helix: eh? colorful background? |
| 00:10.26 | zinx | helix: where did that come in? |
| 00:10.28 | Reubot | ok |
| 00:10.34 | pibby | shift: ohh, I see... hopefully it will be ok now? |
| 00:10.35 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: Good point, that's a thought. |
| 00:10.38 | eric2 | hi I have a PCMCIA network card, i'm trying to use ndiswrapper, but it doesn't seem to detect it |
| 00:10.42 | helix | zinx: what? cytosine.org/~helix/oogly.png |
| 00:10.44 | thomas_adam | helix: sacrifice it to the nymphs of the wind. |
| 00:10.48 | JoshTriplett | eric2: What kind of card? |
| 00:10.51 | shift | pibby: i hope so, hehe |
| 00:10.55 | zinx | helix: ah |
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| 00:11.02 | eric2 | SMC2635W |
| 00:11.03 | zinx | helix: it didn't used to do that.. must be a rxvt-unicode thing |
| 00:11.20 | zinx | helix: maybe some day i'll revamp temu and give it a real interface :/ |
| 00:11.20 | JoshTriplett | eric2: OK. :) |
| 00:11.27 | JoshTriplett | eric2: Don't know which one that is, sorry. |
| 00:11.28 | helix | zinx: what is temu? |
| 00:11.42 | JoshTriplett | eric2: What driver are you trying to use? |
| 00:11.43 | helix | warhead: No se ha podido localizar el paquete temu |
| 00:11.49 | helix | warhead: ignore. |
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| 00:11.55 | pibby | shift: do you happen to have suspend working on that laptop? |
| 00:11.57 | zinx | helix: a terminal emulator i'm writing (and using to IRC).. it's only had about two weeks of work, and i've left it alone for like a month or two now |
| 00:12.08 | helix | zinx: ah. |
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| 00:12.18 | eric2 | well how do I install a pcmcia net card in general? My deiban doesn't seem to detect it |
| 00:12.42 | shift | got the temp from 64oC to 41oC now, hehe |
| 00:12.45 | JoshTriplett | eric2: In general, once you have the driver installed, pcmcia-cs will automatically load it. |
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| 00:12.47 | thomas_adam | eric2: pcmcia-cs |
| 00:12.52 | helix | c'mon ion users. where are you |
| 00:12.53 | pibby | nice shift |
| 00:12.56 | mick_laptop | eric2: i've been having similasr problems |
| 00:12.58 | thomas_adam | helix: #ion ? |
| 00:13.06 | helix | hmm |
| 00:13.06 | JoshTriplett | helix: He's not here. |
| 00:13.08 | JoshTriplett | helix: :) |
| 00:13.19 | kruzi | eeyore-: i just booted back to 2.2.20-idepci #1 which is the stock debian kernel and X works fine |
| 00:13.22 | eric2 | JoshTrip1: ok. I am trying to use ndiswrapper. After I do ndiswrapper -i <window's driver>, what should I do next? |
| 00:13.25 | helix | thomas_adam: i feel self-conscious going into channels with less than 200 people |
| 00:13.34 | eric2 | I tried modprobe ndiswrapper but it says ndiswrapper is not found? |
| 00:13.36 | thomas_adam | helix: Awww. want me to ask? |
| 00:13.40 | helix | no |
| 00:13.42 | JoshTriplett | eric2: I don't know the details of ndiswrapper, other than to say "follow the documentation". |
| 00:13.43 | thomas_adam | :'( |
| 00:13.47 | MerlinCorey | I'm attempting to get X working with a PCI videocard; one thing is confusing me - xinit gives a warning about no matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:18:0); the thing that confuses me is that lspci and lspci -s show nothing on 0:18, so how can I figure out what it's looking for..? |
| 00:13.50 | peterS | thomas_adam: ha |
| 00:13.53 | helix | i'll just keep grokking the man page with its made up options |
| 00:13.54 | eeyore- | kruzi: do you use framebuffer console? (graphics mode console) |
| 00:13.56 | thomas_adam | peterS: :P |
| 00:14.07 | JoshTriplett | eric2: I was only asking about your card to determine if there was a better option than ndiswrapper. |
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| 00:14.31 | mick_laptop | helix: you use ion? heh people use that wm |
| 00:14.32 | thomas_adam | MerlinCorey: You don't need to include a PCI line in your config file unless you have more than one video card anyway. |
| 00:14.42 | JoshTriplett | MerlinCorey: Unless you have multiple cards or a non-x86, don't specify the BusID. |
| 00:14.46 | helix | mick_laptop: hm? |
| 00:14.48 | thomas_adam | MerlinCorey: Any errors you get as a result are unrelated to it, if you ask me. |
| 00:15.00 | MerlinCorey | hmmm... |
| 00:15.17 | MerlinCorey | well, the only error that I get is "No devices detected"... |
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| 00:15.36 | thomas_adam | MerlinCorey: be more specific. |
| 00:15.37 | mick_laptop | hm? |
| 00:15.42 | JoshTriplett | MerlinCorey: Right, because you told it where to look, and it didn't look anywhere else. |
| 00:15.45 | MerlinCorey | that's what I said to xinit :p... |
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| 00:15.59 | peterS | mick_laptop: she's wondering why you are wondering about the ion users. there are actually quite a few, it seems |
| 00:16.02 | JoshTriplett | MerlinCorey: If you don't specify the BusID, X should be able to figure it out. |
| 00:16.04 | MerlinCorey | it's worse when I don't tell it where to look... |
| 00:16.08 | thomas_adam | MerlinCorey: so dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 and remove the PCI reference. |
| 00:16.20 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I know one developer that uses ion, and seems to enjoy it. |
| 00:16.32 | thomas_adam | pfffft, Fvwm all the way! |
| 00:16.38 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Looks interesting. |
| 00:16.47 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Especially if you like keyboard navigation. |
| 00:16.49 | peterS | JoshTriplett: it seems a pretty strange choice, but as long as there *is* an easy way to overlap windows, I guess it would work |
| 00:16.56 | mick_laptop | i haven't seen any PWM / Ion users for a long time. I should try it out again |
| 00:17.15 | helix | you should all try it and figure out floating windows |
| 00:17.15 | JoshTriplett | peterS: AFAIK, one of the major design decisions was to avoid overlapping windows. |
| 00:17.17 | jcole_deb | anyone here know what the debian repository is for xorg? |
| 00:17.24 | JoshTriplett | jcole_deb: There isn't one yet. |
| 00:17.27 | peterS | JoshTriplett: right. which would make it rather annoying |
| 00:17.32 | helix | JoshTriplett: they're kind of good sometimes (though i like not having them be the default) |
| 00:17.35 | JoshTriplett | jcole_deb: You might ask Daniel Stone. |
| 00:17.36 | afaik | JoshTriplett, EH? |
| 00:17.46 | JoshTriplett | afaik: Heh, nice nick. |
| 00:17.47 | helix | since i theoretically only need to detach and float only occasionally |
| 00:17.47 | afaik | One of the major design decisions? |
| 00:17.56 | eeyore- | avoid overlapping windows? why would anybody want tiled window in this day and age? |
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| 00:18.02 | MerlinCorey | the thing is, there is no agp, and lspci returns two busses containing an ATI reference... if I don't give a busid in the device config, I get the same result, with a warning about the busid that I believe to be the card... |
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| 00:18.10 | eeyore- | that's like taking a trip in time back to windows 1.0 |
| 00:18.14 | helix | eeyore-: so we don't lose terminals? because otherwise the desktop is messy/ |
| 00:18.16 | moshe | ok... installing the alsa packages didn't do anything by themselves. |
| 00:18.22 | JoshTriplett | MerlinCorey: Ah, you _do_ have two cards. |
| 00:18.28 | JoshTriplett | MerlinCorey: Forget what we said, then. :) |
| 00:18.29 | helix | eeyore-: i never found a sane way to have a bunch of open terminals before |
| 00:18.43 | peterS | eeyore-: I think it helps not to be overly picky about your terminal windows being wide, like 80 characters |
| 00:18.44 | JoshTriplett | helix: I like having every terminal as a tab in one window. |
| 00:18.51 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Ick. |
| 00:18.58 | helix | JoshTriplett: i don't |
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| 00:19.15 | helix | JoshTriplett: though i possibly could have fixed this problem with screen |
| 00:19.15 | eeyore- | helix: i limit myself to 4 tabs in gnome-terminal, and use multiple gnome-terminals on multiple virtual screen, each with "designated" functions like "local machines", "web" and so on :) |
| 00:19.26 | helix | eeyore-: you must have more RAM than me |
| 00:19.30 | MerlinCorey | so... |
| 00:19.32 | eeyore- | peterS: that's the thing, i want my terminal 80-132 :) |
| 00:19.38 | JoshTriplett | eeyore-: And I bet your desk is clean, too. :) |
| 00:19.40 | MerlinCorey | bbiam |
| 00:19.50 | moshe | I couldn't figure out which item in modconf I was supposed to choose. |
| 00:20.03 | eeyore- | JoshTriplett: that's relative :) |
| 00:20.07 | peterS | eeyore-: right - if you want multiple terminals next to each other - and you can't do overlapping - and you want a font bigger than the traditional 'fixed' - and your monitor isn't absolutely *huge* ... then you can't have 80 columns |
| 00:20.08 | JoshTriplett | eeyore-: :) |
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| 00:20.43 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Heh. Seen the info on IBM's 4000x3000 LCD? |
| 00:20.45 | eeyore- | JoshTriplett: considering that i do work on machines all the time, i can't have a "clean" desk without guts all over the place ... screws here, cables there ... |
| 00:20.47 | moshe | the arts control center in kde indicates that I have sound running. I must have it muted somewhere |
| 00:20.47 | helix | i wonder how i ended up with pink underlines for certain things in urxvt |
| 00:20.54 | peterS | JoshTriplett: that would be pretty neat |
| 00:21.00 | peterS | JoshTriplett: how big is it? |
| 00:21.01 | eeyore- | JoshTriplett: here's a crimp, there a cable tie ... |
| 00:21.03 | JoshTriplett | peterS: 400dpi. |
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| 00:21.17 | helix | cafuego: screenshot |
| 00:21.18 | peterS | JoshTriplett: ah, so not all that big |
| 00:21.27 | JoshTriplett | peterS: No, just detailed. |
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| 00:21.30 | cafuego | helix: Can you get at www.cafuego.net yet? |
| 00:21.45 | kruzi | eeyore-: sorry was afk |
| 00:21.47 | helix | cafuego: no |
| 00:21.57 | eeyore- | kruzi: do you use framebuffer console? (graphics mode console) |
| 00:21.59 | JoshTriplett | peterS: For that matter, every time I walk past a plasma TV, I think "Cool, DVI-in". :) |
| 00:22.02 | cafuego | helix: pfff |
| 00:22.07 | peterS | JoshTriplett: heh |
| 00:22.08 | moshe | ok |
| 00:22.09 | kruzi | eeyore-: im not sure, how can i check? |
| 00:22.11 | eeyore- | JoshTriplett: low res |
| 00:22.17 | moshe | anyone here good at sound config? |
| 00:22.20 | JoshTriplett | eeyore-: True. |
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| 00:22.25 | peterS | cafuego: ns{1,2}.net.au are doing the same thing they were yesterday |
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| 00:22.28 | JoshTriplett | eeyore-: Not to mention the horrors of overscan. |
| 00:22.36 | Caelum | moshe: try alsamixer |
| 00:22.41 | eeyore- | JoshTriplett: on the plus side, you don't need caffeine |
| 00:22.47 | JoshTriplett | eeyore-: ? |
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| 00:23.00 | eeyore- | JoshTriplett: the "interlace" mode :) |
| 00:23.05 | JoshTriplett | eeyore-: Heh. |
| 00:23.10 | JoshTriplett | eeyore-: No thanks. |
| 00:23.11 | moshe | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 00:23.15 | shift | progessive please :D |
| 00:23.17 | JoshTriplett | eeyore-: Progressive rules. |
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| 00:23.31 | kruzi | eeyore-: i dont know what framebuffer console is |
| 00:23.52 | moh_ | isn't gtk-sharp available in debian-sid ? I can't find it.. |
| 00:23.58 | eeyore- | kruzi: append "vga=normal" in your boot parameter, reboot. |
| 00:24.09 | mentor | Damnit. I want to be able to do everything from the mouse and the keyboard in my GUI. stupid ION3. Stupid GNOME. |
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| 00:24.20 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Seriously? |
| 00:24.27 | eeyore- | kruzi: also, "modinfo" your sis agp module. see if there's an option to select MTRR or some such |
| 00:24.29 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: What kind of framerates? |
| 00:24.32 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: looks like |
| 00:24.35 | mentor | Caelum: Is that including crashes? |
| 00:24.41 | shift | pibby / JoshTriplett: yup all seems to be working now that the cpu temp has got to something normal :D |
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| 00:24.51 | Caelum | mentor: dri seems to be very stable |
| 00:25.05 | eeyore- | Caelum: can you play ut2k4 with ATI under linux? |
| 00:25.14 | mentor | Caelum: I mean, are the framerates from the crashy ATI drivers inlcuding hte crashes? |
| 00:25.17 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: only measured glxgears type stuff, but this is a radeon mobility 9000, so nothing terribly impressive anyway |
| 00:25.19 | JoshTriplett | moh_: libgtk-cil |
| 00:25.39 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: So why are you using ATI's drivers? |
| 00:25.47 | eeyore- | shift: watch the hard drive temp too |
| 00:25.49 | Caelum | eeyore-: I heard that you can on various forums |
| 00:25.49 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Why not just the XFree86 driver? |
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| 00:25.52 | moshe | I have to remove oss, don't I? |
| 00:25.59 | kruzi | eeyore-: when i do a dmesg, it shows up alot of MTRR stuff |
| 00:26.02 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: that's what I meant, I am using the X driver now |
| 00:26.06 | eeyore- | shift: if *possible*, get dell to replace it with a quieter fujitsu drive (fluid dynamics bearings) |
| 00:26.07 | helix | gee, #ion is a nice channel. in the topic it says "RTFM" |
| 00:26.07 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Ah. |
| 00:26.15 | shift | eeyore-: tryed that hddtemp failed to apt-get configure |
| 00:26.17 | shift | hehe |
| 00:26.17 | kruzi | eeyore-: running 2.2 but doesnt show anything running 2.4 |
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| 00:26.19 | helix | i use an elitist distro and an elitist wm. :( |
| 00:26.21 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Just curious what newer cards can do; my 7500 can do ~1000 fps in glxgears. |
| 00:26.24 | eeyore- | shift: the fujitsu drives are *really* quiet. i'm impressed |
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| 00:26.34 | mentor | helix: Well, that's basically what our topic says ;) |
| 00:26.36 | helix | ziggay! |
| 00:26.36 | moh_ | JoshTriplett: ok, thanks. Any idea what option mcs needs to compile a small Gtk# project? i tried mcs -o button.exe -r:gtk-sharp button.cs, but it said it couldn't find assembly 'gtk-sharp' |
| 00:26.46 | helix | mentor: it even says RTFM in the ion docs though |
| 00:26.47 | helix | what the hell |
| 00:26.48 | Eclipser | what kind of drivers are loud drivers? |
| 00:26.50 | JoshTriplett | moh_: No idea. |
| 00:26.54 | JoshTriplett | moh_: Never used it. |
| 00:26.58 | helix | if i'm looking at a doc ... do i really need to be told to read it? |
| 00:26.59 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: before I tried using xfree radeon with dri, I didn't have xlibmesa-dri, so I thought it was really slow (when it was using software rendering) |
| 00:27.03 | zignig | helix: bleh !! |
| 00:27.10 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Right. |
| 00:27.14 | eeyore- | Eclipser: drives <- no r |
| 00:27.15 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Common problem. |
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| 00:27.33 | mentor | ~lose PDF authors who can't embed images with adequate quality |
| 00:27.37 | apt | PDF authors who can't embed images with adequate quality: You Lose. |
| 00:27.37 | Eclipser | eeyore-, aaa... my bad :) |
| 00:27.37 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: What did you get with software rendering? |
| 00:27.38 | shift | eeyore-: i think this is out of warenty now, dunno as it aint mine |
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| 00:27.54 | kruzi | eeyore-: the sis driver would be sis_drv.o ? |
| 00:27.54 | helix | oh, and this is rich.. the .ps ion doc is upside down |
| 00:27.56 | helix | lovely |
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| 00:27.59 | mentor | helix: Maybe that's to confuse the stupid, so they don't bother the authors. |
| 00:28.00 | helix | high quality FM here |
| 00:28.05 | peterS | helix: cute |
| 00:28.06 | JoshTriplett | ~lose PDF authors who use bitmap images instead of vector images |
| 00:28.10 | apt | PDF authors who use bitmap images instead of vector images: You Lose. |
| 00:28.10 | mentor | !lose PDF authors who can't embed images with adequate quality |
| 00:28.10 | eeyore- | kruzi: no, sis *agp* module, in /lib/modules/ |
| 00:28.10 | dpkg | PDF authors who can't embed images with adequate quality: You Lose. |
| 00:28.19 | tuxillo | Hello, I got a big problem with my Cardbus ethernet 8139 under Debian. I have compiled PCMCIA support on my kernel, included 8139too driver and I have sucessfully configured the ethernet. I can ping into ethernet's IP but when I try to ping any other host I got an: "NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out. Any ideas? |
| 00:28.20 | mentor | ah. |
| 00:28.24 | MerlinCorey | man... |
| 00:28.27 | MerlinCorey | it just gets worse... |
| 00:28.28 | MerlinCorey | :p |
| 00:28.28 | kruzi | eeyore-: ok, does it matter if im in 2.2 or 2.4 atm? |
| 00:28.29 | mentor | there you are apt, I can hardly see you without my glasses. |
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| 00:28.43 | eeyore- | kruzi: you'd want to be in 2.4 |
| 00:28.58 | helix | is there a way to get gv to display upside down docs .. right side up? |
| 00:29.04 | JoshTriplett | helix: I think so. |
| 00:29.07 | mentor | JoshTriplett: Yeah, those too. You would think that engineering diagrams would be the ideal thing to have as vector... |
| 00:29.12 | helix | mmkay |
| 00:29.38 | JoshTriplett | helix: There are several options other than "Portrait" and "Landscape". |
| 00:29.45 | helix | JoshTriplett: yeah, "seascape" does it |
| 00:29.51 | helix | why the fuck is it called seascape? |
| 00:29.51 | JoshTriplett | helix: Yup. |
| 00:29.55 | helix | gv is stupid |
| 00:30.03 | peterS | helix: uh, opposite of landscape. just a pun |
| 00:30.04 | tuxillo | I'm trying a 2.4.18 kernel source from official packages. Any idea? |
| 00:30.04 | eeyore- | mentor: laziness. if they can get screenshot, they just embed that instead of going the route of trying to get the software to spit out .eps |
| 00:30.05 | tuxillo | :) |
| 00:30.06 | JoshTriplett | helix: Conventional. |
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| 00:30.12 | JoshTriplett | helix: gv didn't invent it. |
| 00:30.22 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: pretty darned slow... I need to use some sort of common benchmark or something. Anyways, I looked into dri snapshot debs, but they are ancient. So I looked at the normal dri snapshot packages, and they install fine on debian (but write over the normal X stuff), and they are for xfree 3.4. So my current setup is: /usr/local/stow/dri-snapshot pointing to /usr/local/X11R6/(bin,lib...) with the dri stuff installed there, and a |
| 00:30.29 | helix | JoshTriplett: well, it's still stupid |
| 00:30.36 | JoshTriplett | helix: No argument here. |
| 00:30.38 | JoshTriplett | :) |
| 00:30.40 | helix | meaning: it gives absolutely no clue as to what exactly it does |
| 00:30.51 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Weird. |
| 00:31.00 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Why not just use stock XFree86 4.3? |
| 00:31.00 | mentor | Maybe Bumtrait would be a better name. |
| 00:31.03 | eeyore- | helix: welcome to open-source world |
| 00:31.08 | MerlinCorey | does the "No matching Device section for blah found" refer to a Section "Device" or a Device option in the section "Screen"..? |
| 00:31.10 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: err, I meant 4.4... |
| 00:31.12 | mentor | helix: I have yet to come across a PS/PDF viewer that isn't stupid. |
| 00:31.15 | peterS | eeyore-: the open-source world did not invent the term 'seascape' |
| 00:31.18 | helix | they could have called it bubblegum and been just as descriptive |
| 00:31.20 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: 'cause the binary dri snapshots are for 4.4 |
| 00:31.21 | JoshTriplett | mentor: Agreed. |
| 00:31.27 | thomas_adam | MerlinCorey: have you looked in /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
| 00:31.29 | kruzi | eeyore-: im back in 2.4 and in /lib/modules/2.4 dir. where would i find this agp driver |
| 00:31.34 | tuxillo | No ideas? :( |
| 00:31.36 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: That's what I mean. Why use the dri snapshots? |
| 00:31.37 | mentor | MerlinCorey: What is 'blah'? |
| 00:31.38 | MerlinCorey | thomas_adam: I'm looking at it now... |
| 00:31.42 | eeyore- | peterS: but he could have used something innocuous like "invert" or "rotate 180 degrees" |
| 00:31.46 | MerlinCorey | mentor: a PCI address... |
| 00:31.55 | peterS | eeyore-: certainly |
| 00:32.01 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: but I didn't notice any huge difference between the packages in sid (xlibmesa-dri, etc.) and the normal kernel radeon driver versus the dri snapshots and the 4.4 server |
| 00:32.06 | eeyore- | kruzi: find /lib/modules/2.4*, dude, try to *look around*. i don't have sis hardware either |
| 00:32.14 | mentor | MerlinCorey: Well, it's probably section "Device" then. |
| 00:32.19 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: so you're probably right. I'll try to do a benchmark of some sort to see if there is any |
| 00:32.28 | eeyore- | kruzi: if you want step-by-step instructions, i don't have it for you. just general ideas. |
| 00:32.37 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: If you want a vague benchmark, try neverball with all the options turned on. |
| 00:32.40 | MerlinCorey | mentor: then, any ideas why it still complains, though the section "device" for that busid is there..? |
| 00:32.55 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: But glxgears is not half bad. |
| 00:33.01 | mentor | MerlinCorey: Maybe that device section is wrong? |
| 00:33.05 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: There are also some "go faster" options that help. |
| 00:33.27 | mentor | GAH. HOW HARD IS IT TO FIND SOME CRIMP TERMINALS. |
| 00:33.33 | helix | Dear ion, |
| 00:33.36 | helix | Your docs suck. |
| 00:33.37 | peterS | mentor: "crimp terminals"? |
| 00:33.38 | helix | Love, helix |
| 00:33.41 | eeyore- | JoshTriplett: wow, go-fast options ... neon paint, too? |
| 00:33.43 | mentor | helix: Love? |
| 00:33.49 | mentor | peterS: Yes. |
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| 00:34.00 | kruzi | eeyore-: ok, ive found in /lib/modules/2.4/kernel/drivers/video/sys a file called sisfb.o ? would that be it? |
| 00:34.02 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: For one thing, add Option "EnablePageFlip" "true" to the Device section. |
| 00:34.09 | kruzi | sis even |
| 00:34.11 | eeyore- | kruzi: no, that's sis frame buffer |
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| 00:34.12 | mentor | peterS: Preferably, 1.5mm pitch, pin accepting ones. |
| 00:34.17 | MerlinCorey | jebus mentor, you're quite the genius :) forgot closing quote on one entry :p |
| 00:34.19 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: That will give _significant_ increases. |
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| 00:34.30 | peterS | mentor: what is a crimp terminal?? |
| 00:34.32 | mentor | MerlinCorey: Thanks. |
| 00:34.41 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: *nod* I need to see if I can port driconf to sid (from the ancient dri snapshot repository) |
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| 00:34.49 | peterS | mentor: like a BNC connector, or something? |
| 00:34.56 | MerlinCorey | though... |
| 00:35.00 | Eclipser | hmm |
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| 00:35.01 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: What's driconf do? |
| 00:35.02 | MerlinCorey | even so, it still has the same effect... |
| 00:35.21 | Eclipser | why does the name of the ions author sound so familiar... |
| 00:35.28 | mentor | peterS: Wire (stripped), place in terminal, close with pliers (or a special tool if you can afford it). Terminal attaches to appropriate pin, plug, or socket. |
| 00:35.29 | helix | F9: Go to existing workspace or create new (query). If a non-existent workspace was entered, the type of the workspace to be created will be queried as well. |
| 00:35.34 | kruzi | eeyore-: im considering just running 2.2 the stock kernel with debian, it runs everything i need and X works, its still support by debian? and secure? |
| 00:35.36 | helix | i am supposed to learn how to float a window from this garbage? |
| 00:35.57 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: GUI for all the dozens of DRI options |
| 00:36.01 | mentor | peterS: Generally, they're what you attach your cable to and then slip it inot a moulded plastic plug/socket. |
| 00:36.08 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Interesting. "man radeon" works well for me. |
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| 00:36.10 | eeyore- | kruzi: 2.2 is pretty old, but if you want it, sure. supported? doubtful. it'll run, though. |
| 00:36.16 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Covers dozens of options. |
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| 00:36.20 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: cool :) |
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| 00:36.28 | peterS | mentor: oh, ok. that still doesn't tell me anything about what *type* of connector, but I suppose it hardly matters |
| 00:36.38 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: It's amazing what there's a manpage for. Try "man ascii". |
| 00:36.41 | kruzi | eeyore-: hrm. maybe 2.6 |
| 00:36.42 | eeyore- | kruzi: the way i see it, you don't feel confident enough to look / poke around the system on your own. when that changes, you'll have more fun. |
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| 00:36.56 | mentor | peterS: Well, in this case the socket for a pin header. |
| 00:36.59 | MerlinCorey | JoshTriplett: interesting to note, I am trying to get a radeon card working; man radeon doesn't work, but the driver is there... |
| 00:37.04 | helix | JoshTriplett: hey, you're finally starting to sound like a regular! :) |
| 00:37.17 | mentor | peterS: Like the old AT PS MB connector, but 1.5mm pitch rather than about 3mm. |
| 00:37.17 | eeyore- | kruzi: otherwise, things will continue to fail in mysterious ways and you'll continue to be at the mercy of other people ... until you're willing to get your feet wet |
| 00:37.20 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: btw, if you did want to see what kind of performance you get with fglrx, there are debs available here: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 00:37.21 | JoshTriplett | helix: Cool. How so? |
| 00:37.25 | cafuego | helix: http://www.cc.com.au/terminals.png |
| 00:37.28 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: No, I don't. |
| 00:37.34 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: but the instability is definitely not worth it |
| 00:37.36 | MerlinCorey | Caelum: if you need the radeon man page it is here: http://www.xfree86.org/4.4.0/radeon.4.html |
| 00:37.41 | kruzi | eeyore-: yeah good point. so you think sticking to the stock kernel might be the way to go |
| 00:37.44 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: I don't use non-free software anyway, let alone for a few more FPS. |
| 00:38.09 | kruzi | eeyore-: maybe 2.6 would solve the issue... surely there are images out there for 2.6, would they be on woody though |
| 00:38.17 | helix | cafuego: very nice. now to get rid of the default irssi theme (or whatever that is) |
| 00:38.22 | eeyore- | kryzi: find /lib/modules -name "*agp*" |
| 00:38.34 | jeanpoldeux | I don't understand how bitlbee work, could anybody explain me ? |
| 00:38.37 | eeyore- | kruzi: sid has 2.6, but that's sid :) |
| 00:38.47 | helix | cafuego: i still use g-t for irc |
| 00:38.54 | JoshTriplett | jeanpoldeux: It acts as an IRC server on your own machine. |
| 00:39.07 | helix | cafuego: primarily because of the *bold* stuff on urxvt |
| 00:39.09 | JoshTriplett | jeanpoldeux: You join that channel. |
| 00:39.13 | jeanpoldeux | I know that, but how do i start it ? |
| 00:39.21 | JoshTriplett | jeanpoldeux: Ah. |
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| 00:39.37 | eeyore- | Caelum: i fell in love with analog tv screensaver |
| 00:39.47 | jcole_deb | i would like to express my gratitude to all debian contributors, thanks to all for such a great distro |
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| 00:39.54 | eeyore- | Caelum: it simulates old analog tv sets ... rolls, static, you name it |
| 00:39.55 | JoshTriplett | jeanpoldeux: Well, check with dpkg -L bitlbee |
| 00:40.06 | JoshTriplett | jeanpoldeux: To see if it has an /etc/init.d script. |
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| 00:40.15 | cafuego | helix: g-t is a heap of crap, even Konsole is nicer. |
| 00:40.16 | JoshTriplett | jeanpoldeux: If not, then look for a binary in /usr/bin |
| 00:40.18 | hennewou | I'm looking for a little program that shows the current network traffic. Anyone knows such? |
| 00:40.19 | mentor | g-t? |
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| 00:40.23 | peterS | mentor: gnome-terminal |
| 00:40.27 | mentor | ah |
| 00:40.28 | JoshTriplett | mentor: gnome-terminal |
| 00:40.29 | kruzi | eeyore-: ok it found /lib/modules/2.4/kernel/drivers/char/agp/agpgart.o |
| 00:40.33 | jeanpoldeux | ok i'll look |
| 00:40.34 | helix | cafuego: hmm, dunno. i think it's mostly crap, but it works for irc. |
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| 00:40.40 | eeyore- | hennewou: iptraf, etherape |
| 00:40.43 | mentor | :( |
| 00:40.55 | helix | woo |
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| 00:40.58 | Eclipser | stop raping ethes |
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| 00:41.08 | mentor | Eclipser: ethers. |
| 00:41.12 | eeyore- | ether ape |
| 00:41.12 | minded | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.20 | eeyore- | inspired by etherman, get it? |
| 00:41.30 | eeyore- | c'mon. tell me you get it |
| 00:41.31 | JoshTriplett | helix: Just out of curiosity, what did you mean by "sound like a regular"? |
| 00:41.34 | g4lt | wait a minute, someone's raping the ether bunny? |
| 00:41.36 | Eclipser | ya ya, I'm just trying to make a lowsy joke here :) |
| 00:41.45 | helix | JoshTriplett: you're almost at the point where you say "RTFM" ;) |
| 00:41.47 | mentor | g4lt: No, you just have a lisp. |
| 00:41.52 | kruzi | eeyore-: ok it found /lib/modules/2.4/kernel/drivers/char/agp/agpgart.o would that be it? |
| 00:41.53 | JoshTriplett | helix: Ah. :) |
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| 00:42.03 | Caelum | eeyore-: neat :) |
| 00:42.04 | g4lt | mentor well, you have a cobol |
| 00:42.07 | JoshTriplett | helix: At least I said "the FM is over there". :) |
| 00:42.11 | eeyore- | kruzi: possibly, check kernel source to find out what the name of your sis agp module is :) |
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| 00:42.46 | kruzi | bah i think im just gonna stick with 2.2 for now |
| 00:42.48 | kruzi | its old |
| 00:42.50 | kruzi | but it works |
| 00:42.51 | helix | JoshTriplett: indeed, you're getting close though |
| 00:42.57 | helix | wow, that's a great /quit message |
| 00:43.01 | hennewou | eeyore-: Iptraf, is cool thx |
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| 00:43.33 | JoshTriplett | helix: I'll be more careful then. :) |
| 00:43.37 | mentor | helix: with the owner of the message being the notable exception to the statement. |
| 00:43.50 | mentor | s/the/a/ |
| 00:43.54 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: I have a link for a nice one; let me dig it up. |
| 00:44.13 | helix | cafuego: yeah, i guess there aren't enough backgrounds in the world.. |
| 00:44.17 | kruzi | 111 |
| 00:44.19 | helix | kinda like there aren't enough wm's |
| 00:44.19 | IsoLnCHiP | Hi there. I hope this isnt to silly a question. Can I compile my IDE chipset support as module (without useing an initrd) and still use DMA, or do I need it on a initrd/statically? I trying to solve "HDIO_SET_DMA: Operation not permitted." with hdparm |
| 00:44.42 | gleffler | It needs to be in the kernel, IsoLnCHiP, if the drive in question is mounted at boot |
| 00:44.57 | mentor | gleffler: No it doesn't. |
| 00:45.11 | Eclipser | IsoLnCHiP, and you don't want to reboot?-p |
| 00:45.19 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: you can surely compile ide chipset support as a module, without using initrd, as long as you have other means to boot your / without using the ide driver |
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| 00:45.24 | IsoLnCHiP | gleffler: I get the error on another HD as well which isnt involved in the boot process |
| 00:45.32 | gleffler | mentor: for DMA support? I was fairly sure it did, but OK :) |
| 00:45.39 | Abnix | is there anything else I need to apt-get to get a working mysql install past mysql-server mysql-client mysql-common mysql-kitchensink ? |
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| 00:45.55 | dondelelcaro | Abnix: just mysql-server |
| 00:46.00 | mentor | gleffler: I can enable/disable DMA at will for all of my drives... :/ |
| 00:46.10 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: you could boot from scsi, compactflash, etc. then mount your ide partitions |
| 00:46.14 | dondelelcaro | Abnix: everything else depends on what you're actually doing with mysql. |
| 00:46.16 | Abnix | and what genious made it so you couldn't just 'apt get install mysql' and actually have it *do* something...? |
| 00:46.19 | mentor | IsoLnCHiP: You need the IDE chipset statically or in an initrd if you need any drives on the controlled to boot |
| 00:46.34 | IsoLnCHiP | The thing is, I can boot it fine (presumeably it uses generic IDE drivers) however I cant set it to DMA. |
| 00:46.45 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: what chip? |
| 00:46.53 | dondelelcaro | Abnix: uh, because you mysql has a server, a client, and miscellaneous libraries. |
| 00:46.58 | helix | yeah, geniouses can't do anything right |
| 00:47.24 | mentor | *wimper* |
| 00:47.31 | Blissex | helix: especially creative geniuses which are GenX/Oxbridge types. They just can't be asked. |
| 00:47.33 | dondelelcaro | Abnix: if you want the server you install -server. If you want the client, you install -client. If you don't know what you want, apt-cache show package. |
| 00:47.49 | Abnix | dondelelcaro: funny, emerge mysql gets me *all* of that with one command! |
| 00:47.52 | IsoLnCHiP | eeyore-: Now thats the Problem, Im not entirely sure how to find it out. I think it should be covered by PIIX but Im not sertain. |
| 00:48.01 | peterS | Abnix: that is pretty funny |
| 00:48.07 | eeyore- | Abnix: that's like asking, "what genious made it so you couldn't just 'apt-get install arbitrary-package-name-i-made-up-to-increase-my-chick-magnetism' and have it actually *do* something"? |
| 00:48.10 | dondelelcaro | Abnix: that's nice. Gentoo isn't noted for being terribly sane. |
| 00:48.32 | Blissex | Abnix: there is a similar mechanism nder Debian, called ``tasks'' or ``virtual packages''. |
| 00:48.33 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: did you enable udma in the bios? did you "hdparm -d1 /dev/hd..." ? |
| 00:48.43 | dondelelcaro | (well, mainly with postgresql, actually...) |
| 00:48.47 | helix | i'm annoyed that i get in my car and it doesn't go anywhere automatically |
| 00:48.53 | dondelelcaro | helix: you too? damn. |
| 00:48.57 | eeyore- | helix: doesn't it? darn! |
| 00:49.03 | JoshTriplett | Abnix: Submit a bug report requesting a "mysql" dependency package. |
| 00:49.06 | IsoLnCHiP | I installed a debian stock kernel 2.6.7-686 And it works fine there. I diff'ed it with my config, and cant find any relevant changes. |
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| 00:49.34 | Blissex | Abnix: most Debian subsystems are properly packaged as multiple pick-n-choose packages, but as a rule, you can also use ``umbrella'' packages that install all the packages for an entire subsystem. |
| 00:49.52 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: if this is your custom compiled kernel, check your config carefully :) |
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| 00:50.04 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: PIIX ide drivers should have *very few* problems |
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| 00:50.34 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: if this is some oddball ide driver like ServerWorks then ya, i'd believe you if you said you're having DMA issues |
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| 00:51.20 | kruzi | hey all one more question when im not root user also and i goto run startx it saids user not authorized to run X server, aborting? |
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| 00:51.42 | Blissex | kruzi: you cannot really do that safely. But check the X wrapper thingie. |
| 00:51.53 | JoshTriplett | !tell kruzi about xwrapper |
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| 00:52.34 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=9931 |
| 00:52.46 | krappie | heh, i like how all my little debian problems are almost always in the topic here |
| 00:52.46 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: GPLed, too, so someone should really package it. |
| 00:52.48 | cafuego | Is there a 'Find Files' app for X that looks/works like Sherlock on macOS? |
| 00:52.49 | scarynetworkguy | Bela Lugosi is dead |
| 00:53.01 | thomas_adam | cafuego: There's various gtk cantations. |
| 00:53.10 | mentor | scarynetworkguy: Who is he and how did he die? |
| 00:53.20 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: I think there is a KDE "find files" program that is quite intuitive. |
| 00:53.20 | Blissex | cafuego: there are _lots_ of find apps for X. Some KDE, some GTK. |
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| 00:53.33 | scarynetworkguy | mentor, that was not news it was a joke :) |
| 00:53.44 | cafuego | XPQ-21 - 11 - Bela Lugosi's Dead.mp3 |
| 00:53.45 | dondelelcaro | and they all secretly wish they were GNU find... |
| 00:53.59 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: How does that wallpaper look? |
| 00:54.01 | eeyore- | die? |
| 00:54.05 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego, excellent (in my best Mr. Burns voice) |
| 00:54.05 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy so's bauhaus |
| 00:54.05 | walnuck | scarynetworkguy: you are unfunny |
| 00:54.11 | mentor | scarynetworkguy: HOw is it funny and why did you post it? |
| 00:54.12 | Blissex | cafuego: Sherlock however, from what I have seen (never used it) is particularly cool, and there isn't yet comething completely equivalent. |
| 00:54.16 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt, yup but they still rock |
| 00:54.24 | scarynetworkguy | walnuck, well not to everybody |
| 00:54.33 | walnuck | scarynetworkguy: no i mean it! |
| 00:54.35 | scarynetworkguy | mentor, to see if anybody else likes Bahuas |
| 00:54.38 | helix | All those shaped and skinned multimedia players that want to override the window manager are brain-damaged usability hindrances and should not be used by anyone. |
| 00:54.41 | helix | how nice |
| 00:54.54 | JoshTriplett | helix: YES! |
| 00:54.57 | helix | ion is for bastards |
| 00:54.59 | JoshTriplett | helix: Thank you. |
| 00:54.59 | eeyore- | helix: are you quoting someone? |
| 00:55.08 | helix | eeyore-: yeah, ion docs |
| 00:55.15 | shift | lol |
| 00:55.16 | IsoLnCHiP | eeyore-: I've grep'ed for IDE and DMA several times, and cant for the life of me find a option I didnt enable either as Y or M |
| 00:55.22 | JoshTriplett | helix: Skinned applications suck in general. |
| 00:55.22 | mentor | I think anythign that overrides my WM is brain dead. |
| 00:55.30 | eeyore- | helix: you sure it's spelled "ion"? you sure it's not missing an "r" in there? |
| 00:55.32 | kruzi | JoshTriplett: ok now X runs as a console user, but whenever i try and run anything in windowmaker, VI or netscape or whatever i get the error : could not execute command <command here> |
| 00:55.32 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: Not my favourite, I prefer 'White & Alive' and 'Dancing Queen (Cat can dance)' |
| 00:55.39 | mentor | JoshTriplett: Well, no. Just that most of hte skins suck. |
| 00:55.40 | kruzi | JoshTriplett: dunno if thats premissions or what |
| 00:55.41 | eeyore- | helix: sounds like it should be called "iron grip" |
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| 00:55.56 | JoshTriplett | kruzi: Don't know what that problem is. |
| 00:55.58 | helix | eeyore-: heh, yeah |
| 00:56.01 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego, yup |
| 00:56.04 | JoshTriplett | kruzi: You'll have to give more details. |
| 00:56.10 | helix | JoshTriplett: i dunno, i guess i liked xmms to be skinned when i used it |
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| 00:56.25 | mentor | Riiighhht...I am browsing to a website that says "You can view this item online if you prefer" in very small writing. |
| 00:56.40 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA_PCI=y |
| 00:56.41 | helix | what? |
| 00:56.41 | mentor | I'M ONLINE. WHY WOULD I NOT WANT TO LOOK AT IT ONLINE? |
| 00:56.50 | JoshTriplett | helix, mentor: I prefer for almost all applications to use standard widgets. |
| 00:56.53 | helix | mentor: some people prefer real paper |
| 00:57.01 | dondelelcaro | mentor: yes, non sequiter in action |
| 00:57.04 | JoshTriplett | helix, mentor: Fullscreen games being one of the only exceptions. |
| 00:57.12 | Terrapin | dang there are some moody folks in here |
| 00:57.14 | Eclipser | night everyond |
| 00:57.15 | Terrapin | heh |
| 00:57.20 | Eclipser | s/d/e/ |
| 00:57.21 | kruzi | JoshTriplett: ok, so from windomaker as user kruzi from the menu i try and run VI for example... i get the error could not execute command - exec xterm -sb |
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| 00:57.27 | mentor | JoshTriplett: Yes. But it's nice to be able to change all the standard widgets :) |
| 00:57.32 | eeyore- | JoshTriplett: "standard widgets" like what ... Xtrinsics? |
| 00:57.33 | JoshTriplett | mentor: Yes. |
| 00:57.50 | JoshTriplett | eeyore-: GTK or Qt. (Or better yet, GNOME or KDE.) |
| 00:58.02 | mentor | helix: Yes, so there should be a small option to show that you can get real paper if you prefer. |
| 00:58.02 | IsoLnCHiP | eeyore-: Yes, is set |
| 00:58.15 | helix | mentor: well, i disagree, but ok. not everyone wants to read stuff like that online. |
| 00:58.16 | JoshTriplett | mentor: True. |
| 00:58.17 | debianist | somebody write my anything, I am testing GAIM |
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| 00:58.32 | helix | debianist: foo |
| 00:58.34 | zateam | shouldn't doing an 'apt-get install gcc' install the gcc headers too? |
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| 00:58.41 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: it's okayish with a blue to light yellow fading gradient behind it |
| 00:58.42 | debianist | ahh.. |
| 00:58.43 | JoshTriplett | mentor: I suppose that "skinned applications" could also include GTK and Qt themes. |
| 00:58.46 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: CONFIG_IDEDMA_PCI_AUTO=y, CONFIG_IDEDMA_ONLYDISK not set |
| 00:58.48 | mentor | helix: um? |
| 00:58.49 | kruzi | JoshTriplett: ok, so from windomaker as user kruzi from the menu i try and run VI for example... i get the error could not execute command - exec xterm -sb |
| 00:58.51 | debianist | doesn't highlight the person who's writing my nick |
| 00:58.57 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: That's one of the cool parts of it - the transparency. |
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| 00:59.10 | IsoLnCHiP | eeyore-: Jupp |
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| 00:59.33 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_ADMA=y |
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| 00:59.54 | JoshTriplett | kruzi: Check that you have a terminal emulator installed, and check "update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator". |
| 01:00.05 | mentor | helix: THe point was that the online version was smaller than the real paper option... |
| 01:00.05 | IsoLnCHiP | eeyore-: Jupp |
| 01:00.13 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: hdparm -d1 /dev/.... |
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| 01:00.24 | helix | mentor: i thought the point was that "of course" you wanted to read it online |
| 01:00.30 | loof | Heya, where would I find a changelog for the netinstall CD from beta4 to current? |
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| 01:00.57 | peterS | helix: his point was that since he is surfing the web online, it's an excellent default assumption that he wants to read content online as well |
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| 01:01.10 | mentor | helix: Well, yes. I'm online, so the natural assumption would be to show me the online versionn directly, and give me the option to get an offline version. |
| 01:01.13 | kojack27_FL | what you all's longest uptime? |
| 01:01.15 | IsoLnCHiP | eeyore-: Would give me "HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted" under my custom kernel. The debian stock kernel works fine. |
| 01:01.27 | peterS | mentor: what sort of document was this, again? |
| 01:01.28 | mentor | helix: No, show an ordering form for a catalogue with a tiny link to an online version. |
| 01:01.40 | cafuego | kojack27_FL: Current or over-all? |
| 01:01.43 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: well, what can i say :) |
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| 01:01.54 | kojack27_FL | overall |
| 01:01.55 | krappie | IsoLnCHiP: you probably dont have dma for your chipset built into your kernel |
| 01:01.57 | mentor | peterS: Crimp Terminal catalogue. natch. |
| 01:01.57 | IsoLnCHiP | eeyore-: Yes, I know "Well, why dont you use that".... |
| 01:01.59 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: start with debian config and take away things you don't need |
| 01:02.00 | cafuego | kojack27_FL: 200-odd days |
| 01:02.01 | peterS | mentor: heh, right |
| 01:02.04 | kojack27_FL | dang |
| 01:02.07 | cafuego | kojack27_FL: current is |
| 01:02.12 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.14 | g4lt | cafuego 200's even, duh ;P |
| 01:02.21 | kojack27_FL | wow |
| 01:02.25 | IsoLnCHiP | eeyore-: Simple. I need the hostap modules and its way big. |
| 01:02.37 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: i have hostap too, no biggie |
| 01:02.45 | kojack27_FL | mine is 21:01:03 up 4 days, 23:36, 0 users, load average: 1.06, 0.45, 0.26 |
| 01:03.30 | eeyore- | uptime weenies |
| 01:03.41 | IsoLnCHiP | eeyore-: I meant the stock kernel. It has lots of stuff I dont need, and not some stuff I do need. |
| 01:03.50 | cafuego | kojack27_FL: The cisco router has been on for over a year. |
| 01:03.58 | eeyore- | IsoLnCHiP: start with the default debian config, take away things you don't need |
| 01:03.59 | helix | summer in fl + computers = short uptime |
| 01:04.00 | kojack27_FL | deb? |
| 01:04.06 | kojack27_FL | i just moved from fl |
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| 01:04.16 | cafuego | creativec02-gw uptime is 1 year, 3 days, 16 hours, 15 minutes |
| 01:04.29 | helix | kojack27_FL: do people ever say A/S/L to you? |
| 01:04.30 | IsoLnCHiP | eeyore-: But diff'ing the config's I only see that in the IDE section it has more "m"s where I have "y"s |
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| 01:04.41 | eeyore- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:04.42 | kojack27_FL | no helix-only ppl like u |
| 01:04.44 | Caelum | can the fb console do 256 color term support? |
| 01:04.45 | kojack27_FL | heh |
| 01:04.47 | eeyore- | firewall :) |
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| 01:04.48 | helix | my eyes |
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| 01:05.15 | mentor | !u |
| 01:05.16 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 01:05.24 | walnuck | anyone familiar with cd blocksizes, wondering if it is safe to always use 2352? |
| 01:05.25 | Award | When you can't launch xterm, you know you're lost |
| 01:05.27 | debian | u right mentor |
| 01:05.29 | cafuego | *click*u ? |
| 01:05.31 | shift | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.33 | kojack27_FL | cafuego u use debian? |
| 01:05.36 | mentor | ~smite debian |
| 01:05.37 | shift | not my firewall :D |
| 01:05.44 | krappie | !ne1 |
| 01:05.45 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 01:05.48 | mentor | ¬smite debian |
| 01:05.50 | mentor | !smite debian |
| 01:06.01 | cafuego | kojack27_FL: No, I use redhat and am on here to annoy everyone else. |
| 01:06.02 | eeyore- | ok, i'm not rebooting my machines again, ever |
| 01:06.08 | kojack27_FL | figures |
| 01:06.08 | mentor | crimp wafers *wimper* |
| 01:06.18 | cafuego | eeyore-: Gimme an Ip and I'll do it for you ;-) |
| 01:06.23 | shift | eeyore-: its my database box, hehe |
| 01:06.26 | Terrapin | cafuego, i always guessed that about you ;) |
| 01:06.31 | pibby | I'm trying to get i8k working for my Dell laptop, but I receive this error when I do 'modprobe i8k' FATAL: Error inserting i8k (/lib/modules/2.6.6-2-686/kernel/drivers/char/i8k.ko): No such device. I am using kernel 2.6.6-2-686, i8k is listed when I do 'modconf' but again I receive an error: FATAL: Failed to open config file /etc/modprobe.conf: No such file or directory |
| 01:06.42 | zateam | !smite zateam |
| 01:06.51 | eeyore- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.53 | eeyore- | ha! |
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| 01:07.18 | kojack27_FL | dang eeyore |
| 01:07.18 | eeyore- | SMTP/HTTP |
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| 01:07.18 | Rez | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.27 | kojack27_FL | suse debian mix? |
| 01:07.28 | shift | loads nothing on that tho, hehe |
| 01:07.32 | Nurbs | cafuego: that is scary |
| 01:07.42 | krappie | Rez: What kernel version? |
| 01:07.46 | kojack27_FL | i use the all powerful mandrake |
| 01:07.53 | Rez | krappie: 2.4.19 |
| 01:07.58 | debian | !literal cmd: smite (.*?) |
| 01:07.58 | dpkg | "CMD: smite (.*?)" is "($1): <action> smites $1 with a plague of (locusts|frogs|(accented|punctuation) characters|boils|(Microsoft|RIAA) Lawyers)" |
| 01:08.12 | cafuego | 11:07:30 up 745 days, 25:32, 18 users, load average: 23.11, 24.37, 24.72 |
| 01:08.15 | eeyore- | i think the only other machines that hasn't been rebooted in a long time are the solaris boxes |
| 01:08.17 | Award | cafuego: suse/debian? How on earth does the debian and slackware package system manage to coexist? |
| 01:08.22 | zateam | !smite zateam microsoft |
| 01:08.27 | shift | cafuego: nice, if the load aint faked, hehe |
| 01:08.32 | zateam | !smite zateam microsoft lawyers |
| 01:08.34 | cafuego | Award: I never claimed they co-exist. |
| 01:08.56 | Award | cafuego: heh |
| 01:09.14 | Nurbs | Award: what does have slackware got to do with those? |
| 01:09.21 | krappie | Rez: I thought it was going to be this really old version.. i just realized how old 2.4.19 is.. damn |
| 01:09.22 | shift | my longest running box (no flaming) was a openbsd box of just over 3.5years but i moved house so lost the uptime :( |
| 01:09.23 | Nurbs | oh, english my |
| 01:09.34 | kinaole | hello, i am having problems with a testing upgrade. apt-get -f install seems to be stuck and cannot resolve depends - specifically "foomatic-db-engine conflicts with foomatic-db (<< 2.9" |
| 01:09.42 | Award | Nurbs: SuSE is based on Slackware. |
| 01:09.50 | mentor | "But what's worse, if you play their CDs forwards, it installs their software" |
| 01:09.56 | cafuego | shift: The '25:32' should be a dead give-away. |
| 01:09.58 | shift | SuSE is a Slackware/RedHat bastard :D |
| 01:10.17 | cafuego | shift: Actually, SuSE is rpm-based done better. |
| 01:10.19 | Nurbs | Award: and SuSE 6.1 used tgz? |
| 01:10.19 | eeyore- | cafuego: :-) |
| 01:10.22 | shift | cafuego: true, wasn't paying attention u got me, hehe |
| 01:10.31 | mentor | shift: Bah. Real men daisy chain UPSs to keep their uptime while moving house! |
| 01:10.37 | eeyore- | cafuego: you're too subtle for me |
| 01:10.56 | shift | mentor: but then how would i keep all of my boxen online? i already got like 8 of the things |
| 01:11.00 | cafuego | shift: A load of ~ 25 isn't too abd though. The best I ever managed as around 80 - testing a forkbomb - and the box recovered |
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| 01:11.15 | eeyore- | shift: solar panel, generator? |
| 01:11.21 | mentor | shift: 8 pah. |
| 01:11.24 | Award | Nurbs: I stopped folowing Slackware when Debian 2.0 (Hamm) came out, so I really couldn't tell you much about SuSE 6.1 other than its history :) |
| 01:11.30 | god | thats it? |
| 01:11.36 | god | i work with a lot of linux servers |
| 01:11.41 | shift | cafuego: hehe, i've managed 150| works server was fun watching top refresh every 10mins |
| 01:11.41 | god | i've seen a few go over 1000 |
| 01:11.47 | Nurbs | I think I started with DLD, hmm |
| 01:11.48 | cafuego | SuSE uses RPM. |
| 01:11.58 | shift | | was supposedto be a tild but i dunno where it is on this keymap, hehe |
| 01:11.59 | kinaole | is there a better place to ask about an apt/upgrade question? |
| 01:12.11 | eeyore- | shift: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ save some for later, ok? |
| 01:12.16 | god | i think theres a limit on load at around 1024 |
| 01:12.18 | cafuego | god: I'm not talking about servers, I'l talking about a P90 with 64MB of ram. |
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| 01:12.25 | god | hehe |
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| 01:12.48 | mentor | w. t. f. "crimp terminals" -> Corporate Gifts UK. |
| 01:12.51 | shift | eeyore-: cheers, hehe |
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| 01:13.11 | Nurbs | I guess the CPUs would be bored to death with Debian ;) |
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| 01:13.21 | eeyore- | time to go. |
| 01:13.31 | Award | Nurbs: haha |
| 01:13.48 | shift | cafuego: installed from what media? |
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| 01:14.02 | peterS | shift: floppies, surely |
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| 01:14.08 | cafuego | shift: boot floppy, then NFS mounted the slack floppy dir tree. |
| 01:14.12 | shift | could be from tape |
| 01:14.18 | peterS | shift: oh, point |
| 01:14.20 | shift | nice, hehe |
| 01:14.28 | Award | cafuego: I have only debian boxes at home (one RH in the office), but my oldest box is a pure 2.0 Hamm system acting as my alternate firewall/database test server :) |
| 01:14.40 | jeanpoldeux | I try to run bitlbee, but when I make "/connect localhost" I've got "connection refused" |
| 01:14.43 | Award | cafuego: It's a P75 w/16mb ram :) |
| 01:14.45 | shift | works box is RH7.3 but i installed apt-get on it, hehe |
| 01:15.11 | cafuego | Hmm, the slowest running system I have now is a P233, that runs as NAT box. |
| 01:15.17 | Award | cafuego: I leave the CD in the drive (linuxmall from back in the day) as my dselect source =) |
| 01:15.25 | Award | deselect |
| 01:15.25 | cafuego | and I think I have squid on there too |
| 01:15.26 | shift | my oldest box is a DEC Alpha Noname running debian |
| 01:15.43 | cafuego | the OLDEST is an Apple IIe |
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| 01:16.08 | shift | the noname i think is older then me, i can't be arsed to find it and open it up, hehe |
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| 01:16.09 | Award | cafuego: The strange thing is the P75 messes up TV and radio signals, while the P2, Athlon Tbird, and Opteron do not :) |
| 01:16.20 | shift | something like (C) 1979 on the board, hehe |
| 01:16.46 | JoshTriplett | Could an operator please add "libmyspell3 (built with gcc 3.4)" to the BORKED list? |
| 01:16.55 | IsoLnCHiP | Ok, how would I best go about figuring out which kernel option to use for my IDE chipset? Searching in google for "0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801BA IDE U100 (rev 02)" wasnt terribly helpfull. |
| 01:17.11 | Award | cafuego: I have a PC-AT for the oldest (and an XT...it actually has a HARD DRIVE! (a massive 10mb :) |
| 01:17.15 | JoshTriplett | IsoLnCHiP: For the most part, the kernel should autodetect that. |
| 01:17.25 | peterS | IsoLnCHiP: that's a PIIX compatible |
| 01:17.40 | Award | cafuego: I used to have access to an authentic VAX VT100 though :) |
| 01:17.52 | zinx | i want a vt525 |
| 01:17.53 | peterS | Award: VAX VT100? |
| 01:17.56 | shift | i have a IBM server that uses the strange backwards PCI looking ISA cards w/ a whopping 200mb SCSI (4 drives in raid) in it, hehe |
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| 01:18.10 | peterS | shift: those are called Micro Channel slots |
| 01:18.10 | cafuego | Award: There's a company here which still has a cluster of scary vaxen for data processing |
| 01:18.12 | zinx | but they charge ueber for them :< |
| 01:18.14 | g4lt | peterS as opposed to a PDP vt100 ;P |
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| 01:18.34 | Award | cafuego: haha interesting |
| 01:18.35 | kcom | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.41 | shift | peterS: it was a bitch trying to get it online i had to find a tokenring pci card for it (converters are far too expensive) |
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| 01:18.58 | carrett | hey, anyone know how to convert .bin to .deb? |
| 01:19.01 | IsoLnCHiP | peterS: Ok, I had kind of guessed that and set CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=m. But I still dont get DMA :( |
| 01:19.02 | peterS | shift: PCI? I thought you implied it was MCA |
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| 01:19.08 | carrett | alien can't do it |
| 01:19.10 | cafuego | Award: I think they're going to (or maybe just have) replaced the cluster with a P3/600 |
| 01:19.17 | cafuego | Award: Think of the speed increase! |
| 01:19.18 | zinx | carrett: .bin is extremely non-descriptive |
| 01:19.18 | IsoLnCHiP | And I did load the module IIRC |
| 01:19.19 | usual | how come I install java and mozilla doesn't see it as a plugin in sid?? |
| 01:19.20 | shift | there like a backwards PCI slot (as in break in the wrong place) |
| 01:19.27 | peterS | IsoLnCHiP: make sure the module is loaded. better yet, just compile it into your kernel. it's not like you *don't* want to use it some of the time |
| 01:19.30 | carrett | zinx: it's a j2re installer |
| 01:19.31 | zinx | carrett: if it's a shar archive, just run it |
| 01:19.55 | carrett | ah, fuck it |
| 01:19.55 | zinx | ... |
| 01:19.55 | g4lt | shift they made MCA etherlink 3's |
| 01:19.55 | peterS | IsoLnCHiP: also make sure your kernel is semi-recent. the ones that ship with Debian stable might not recognise that chip |
| 01:20.14 | syox | hi folks, i failed to remove the kdegames metapackage with all crappy games around it, apt-get remove removes 56kbyte only :/ |
| 01:20.15 | Award | cafuego: haha |
| 01:20.16 | IsoLnCHiP | peterS: Hehe, well ok. Good point actually. I just wasnt sure if it was the right one. I figured, a loadable module shouldnt hurt |
| 01:20.24 | JoshTriplett | Could an operator please add "libmyspell3 (built with gcc 3.4)" to the BORKED list? |
| 01:20.31 | peterS | IsoLnCHiP: it's the right one all right |
| 01:20.41 | shift | i couldn't be bothered to track down any hardware for it but a friend got an old ibm desktop box to make into a firewall that had a tokenring pci card in it so i used that, hehe |
| 01:21.10 | shift | tokenring between 2 boxes, hehe |
| 01:21.24 | IsoLnCHiP | peterS: Ok, Then Ill give it a shot. However, strangely the Debian Stock 2.6.7 kernel has it compiled as a module. And it works anyhow |
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| 01:23.02 | usual | how come I install java and mozilla doesn't see it as a plugin in sid?? |
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| 01:23.05 | peterS | IsoLnCHiP: I just checked - 2.4.18 *does* support that chip |
| 01:23.23 | Award | Hmm, apt-get should really have a feature where instead of grabbing an enormous list of files, it can grab them in order of highest importance one set at a time. Grabing huge lists every time a huge dep chain comes alog tends to lead to heavily broken installs... |
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| 01:23.30 | dodgyville | Hello |
| 01:23.37 | factotum | usual: might need a symlink maybe, cant remember, it been a while |
| 01:23.48 | usual | factotum, ok, I just can't figure out why |
| 01:23.53 | usual | or where or what |
| 01:24.01 | The_Vulture | Award: not really - I've updated every day or two for the last couple of years on sid, and I've never had a heavily broken install |
| 01:24.06 | The_Vulture | but then again, I use apt-listbugs |
| 01:24.31 | dodgyville | How would I enable DMA mode on a device (/dev/dvd/) that's not supported by hdparm? |
| 01:24.41 | Award | The_Vulture: It tends to be a bigger problem when you haven't updated in a while then when you ahve. |
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| 01:25.08 | IsoLnCHiP | peterS: My culprid is 2.6.6. Well hopefully in a half an hour itll be working. :) |
| 01:25.12 | factotum | usual: dont know, ive actualy been using slackware for the past year and 10 is a bit disapointing, about to install Deb in a few minutes ^_^ |
| 01:25.14 | The_Vulture | if you aren't updating pretty frequently (well at least when a relevent DSA comes along) you've got issues anyway |
| 01:25.14 | shift | so whats the oldest box people use in everyday usage (for services or god forbid it desktop)? |
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| 01:25.29 | Award | The_Vulture: Right now I'm in a situation after a failed install where, since a failure doesn't result in a rollback either, I can't launch any new windows in x. |
| 01:25.44 | Award | The_Vulture: And I don't know yet if I'm able to launch anything outside of x |
| 01:26.15 | jcole_deb | uh |
| 01:26.38 | IsoLnCHiP | shift: I was contemplating try to get an Apple IIe to act as terminal to my Server. ;-) |
| 01:26.40 | jcole_deb | how do i find out where a deleted file/folder in my gnome trash came from? |
| 01:26.40 | Award | The_Vulture: I _THINK_ the problem is contained within various X libraries...but a rollback or incrimental update would have been a good safety net |
| 01:26.49 | shift | IsoLnCHiP: lol |
| 01:27.06 | jcole_deb | you know, like to restore the files to their original locations |
| 01:27.32 | shift | i think my oldest (not used everyday but near enuff) is my dec alpha noname (testing builds for freinds etc) |
| 01:27.46 | IsoLnCHiP | However Id probably first need a TCP stack for that and then some sort of PPP or slip connection |
| 01:27.57 | Award | jcole_deb: If nobody can help here, you may wish to try #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 01:28.14 | shift | ppp over serial to another box like that guy did w/ his c64 when it got slashdotted, hehe |
| 01:29.12 | IsoLnCHiP | shift: Yeah I was thinking in that direction. However so far I havent gotten any further than the ROM Basic, for lack of time :-/ |
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| 01:30.41 | IsoLnCHiP | Is there actually any kind of rule of thumb when its safe to cut corners (not make clean) the kernel tree when changing just a few options? |
| 01:30.55 | shift | IsoLnCHiP: hehe |
| 01:31.01 | dondelelcaro | IsoLnCHiP: on modern kernels, you almost never have to make clean. |
| 01:31.12 | jcole_deb | Award: ok, will do |
| 01:31.20 | shift | make dep under 2.2/4 i dunno about 2.6 |
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| 01:31.36 | siTe | I am having trouble with modconf: "modconf --help" spews out: "/usr/sbin/modconf: -e: command not found" and "/usr/sbin/modconf: write_it_down: command not found" |
| 01:31.39 | IsoLnCHiP | Well it works many times, but then again sometimes it doesnt at all, I havent found any pattern to it yet. |
| 01:31.40 | Award | The_Vulture: Yeah, but on dialup it can sometimes be a little tricky to find time to update for several weeks. |
| 01:31.43 | jcole_deb | Award: i'm actually using my locate database right now to restore the files back... |
| 01:31.49 | Award | The_Vulture: Normally it's fine, but this time I ended up with over 150 packages to update/add |
| 01:31.59 | The_Vulture | Award: then it might not be the wisest idea to run sid in such a situation |
| 01:32.05 | siTe | modconf with no paramaters results in nothing |
| 01:32.17 | The_Vulture | if you have access to some removable media and another system with a faster connection, consider apt-zip |
| 01:32.24 | Award | The_Vulture: Yeah, but testing is just soo...old... :) |
| 01:32.33 | usual | is anyone using mozilla in sid with working java plugin? |
| 01:32.37 | Guerin | Award: ... |
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| 01:32.50 | The_Vulture | Award: I'd suggest sarge even less. |
| 01:33.00 | Award | The_Vulture: I don't normally have many problems, but (usually when gtk is update) it leads to problems like this :) |
| 01:33.00 | The_Vulture | and sarge really isn't that old |
| 01:33.04 | shift | when i was on dialup i just used to take my main box into the local collage and update that then nfs mount the deps on the others |
| 01:33.15 | Award | The_Vulture: LESS? :) |
| 01:33.18 | The_Vulture | Award: that's one reason Sid works so well for me, I don't use Gnome or KDE. |
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| 01:33.28 | shift | i was working for the collage at the time tho, hehe |
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| 01:33.34 | Guerin | The_Vulture: or any gnomme/kde apps? |
| 01:33.37 | The_Vulture | Award: yes, sarge is less secure, it can take weeks for security updates to get through sid and in to sarge |
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| 01:33.45 | Award | The_Vulture: I don't use gnome or kde either, but other things have a bad habit of pulling in libraries from it |
| 01:34.09 | The_Vulture | Guerin: not usually, no |
| 01:34.10 | Award | The_Vulture: Heh, eek. |
| 01:34.13 | JoshTriplett | Could an operator please add "libmyspell3 (built against gcc 3.4)" to the BORKED list? |
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| 01:34.15 | siTe | Why is modconf doing this? |
| 01:34.31 | IsoLnCHiP | Since you meantion apt-zip. I havent checked up on it recently. Does it meanwhile work together with aptitude? Or still just with dselect? |
| 01:34.35 | Guerin | The_Vulture: being able to leave gtk and qt out sure would make my life easier |
| 01:34.46 | Blissex | siTe: stuble are the ways of 'modconf'. |
| 01:35.09 | Award | Guerin: here here |
| 01:35.25 | Guerin | Award: I think you mean "hear, hear" |
| 01:35.31 | Award | Guerin: Yet, sadly, GTK is one of the big reasons to use sid...the frequent turnaround of apps that have a frighteningly long turnaround to stable |
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| 01:36.11 | Guerin | Award: indeed. |
| 01:36.24 | mentor | HAHAHAHAHAHA. I've found it! |
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| 01:36.29 | The_Vulture | Guerin: a few gtk related things, xmms, vlc.. but I can't say I've ever had a problem with them or the libs |
| 01:36.32 | guestish | mentor: ? |
| 01:36.32 | The_Vulture | that I recall |
| 01:36.43 | mentor | guestish: crimpt terminals. |
| 01:36.46 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Have you tryed reinstalling modconf? |
| 01:36.51 | Guerin | The_Vulture: yeah. Not gtk2 things, though? |
| 01:36.56 | guestish | mentor: er, ok... |
| 01:36.58 | Award | Could installing xfree86-common_4.3.0.dfsg.1-6_all.deb while X is running create problmes? |
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| 01:37.06 | Award | (most updates don't cause problems but I'm wondering if that one is...) |
| 01:37.06 | JoshTriplett | Award: No. |
| 01:37.09 | guestish | Award: i do it all the time :) |
| 01:37.14 | Award | JoshTriplett: Hmm, then what on earth is wrong? |
| 01:37.15 | The_Vulture | Guerin: guess not, no |
| 01:37.17 | JoshTriplett | Award: You can upgrade stuff while it's running. |
| 01:37.28 | JoshTriplett | Award: But the new version might not run until you restart X. |
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| 01:37.35 | guestish | Award: i dunno how it does it, but it lets you upgrade |
| 01:37.40 | guestish | mentor: glad to hear it |
| 01:37.40 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: yep, no change |
| 01:37.43 | Award | Anyone care to look at a large pasting to try to diagnose and apt-get error? |
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| 01:37.51 | guestish | Award: why not... |
| 01:37.54 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: so It must be something else |
| 01:37.58 | guestish | Award: #flood awaits |
| 01:38.00 | JoshTriplett | Award: Use #flood, not here. |
| 01:38.00 | Award | I'll paste in #flood |
| 01:38.05 | The_Vulture | Guerin: looks like I might have pulled some gtk2 related stuff in when I played with Eclipse last.. *shrugs* |
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| 01:38.13 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Also a purge and then install? |
| 01:38.36 | guestish | Award: did you make the realplayer package? |
| 01:38.48 | siTe | purge? |
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| 01:38.54 | siTe | might try that |
| 01:38.54 | Bols | anybody got some information about a possible integration of x.org into debian, plz ? |
| 01:38.56 | Award | guestish: I probably made it from an rpm, as I recall (hadn't remembered that) |
| 01:39.04 | JoshTriplett | Bols: Ask Daniel Stone. |
| 01:39.07 | Guerin | The_Vulture: yeah. I figure as long as I have one app which requires it, I might as well be running a whole desktop. One app: gaim. Desktop: XFCE4. |
| 01:39.11 | guestish | Award: theres your problem...debian's standards are there to prevent errors like that |
| 01:39.13 | JoshTriplett | Could an operator please add "libmyspell3 (built against gcc 3.4)" to the BORKED list? |
| 01:39.19 | Guerin | !tell Bols about xorg |
| 01:39.21 | The_Vulture | Guerin: ;) I use CenterICQ :) |
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| 01:39.23 | Bols | JoshTriplett: who's that ? |
| 01:39.27 | Award | guestish: ok, purge realplayer... |
| 01:39.33 | guestish | Award: but once you use 3rd party packages or use rpms there will be file conflicts |
| 01:39.34 | Award | guestish: Then I suppose I'll re-install it later |
| 01:39.39 | shift | Award: try removing relplayer then installing it then reinstalling realplayer |
| 01:39.41 | Guerin | The_Vulture: Yeah, I'm gonna look into it |
| 01:39.42 | JoshTriplett | Bols: One of the primary developers working on x.org |
| 01:39.50 | Bols | Oh |
| 01:39.54 | JoshTriplett | Bols: As well as a Debian Developer, working on X. |
| 01:39.55 | guestish | Award: get helixplayer, it doesnt conflict with anything and its the new realplayer (basically realplayer 11) |
| 01:39.56 | Guerin | The_Vulture: I've decided to go all minimalist-like |
| 01:40.01 | The_Vulture | Guerin: had a few issues with MSN recently, not sure whether it's the client or external effects.. |
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| 01:40.04 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: how do I do that? |
| 01:40.09 | guestish | Award: it comes in an self-extracting binary installer |
| 01:40.17 | The_Vulture | I went pretty minimalist after the "antidesktop" article on freshmeat all those years ago |
| 01:40.19 | guestish | Award: i think |
| 01:40.20 | IsoLnCHiP | !tell siTe about purge |
| 01:40.21 | guestish | Award: :) |
| 01:40.27 | Guerin | guestish: booo! Helixplayer is realplayer and realplayer is BAD! |
| 01:40.28 | kinaole | is there a better place to ask about an apt/upgrade question? |
| 01:40.42 | Bols | JoshTriplett: is it not the maintener who decides that ? |
| 01:40.45 | guestish | Award: or just do what i do and use mplayer with realplayer codecs |
| 01:40.54 | Award | I just pasted more into flood |
| 01:40.57 | JoshTriplett | Bols: Decides what? |
| 01:41.02 | guestish | Award: you have to convert helixplayer too...but at least it doesnt conflict (with anything i have anyways) |
| 01:41.10 | Bols | the integration into debian |
| 01:41.14 | Guerin | The_Vulture: yeah. I think I'd be doing myself a favour on this old beast. |
| 01:41.25 | Award | guestish: So what would the immediate cure be? |
| 01:41.29 | guestish | Award: what are you trying to do? |
| 01:41.35 | Award | remove realplayer |
| 01:41.44 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: I will try that |
| 01:41.46 | guestish | Award: use dpkg, not apt, to purge realplayer, then install xfree-common w/ dpkg |
| 01:41.51 | Award | guestish: oh, duh. |
| 01:41.52 | Guerin | Bols: X doesn't have ONE maintainer - it's too big a job. It has a strike force of a half-dozen or so core members and several others |
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| 01:42.09 | guestish | Award: apt will lock up until you use dpkg to fix any dependency issues |
| 01:42.12 | Bols | Mmmh.. ok |
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| 01:42.21 | Guerin | Bols: a decision has not yet been made; they are curently still discussing it. |
| 01:42.22 | shift | guestish: witch X are we talking about here? hehe |
| 01:42.23 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: If that didnt work. Well see |
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| 01:42.31 | guestish | shift: what? |
| 01:42.32 | db8 | hi |
| 01:42.34 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: hang on |
| 01:42.34 | kruzi | hey all i now got X running as a console user, but whenever i try and run anything in windowmaker, VI or netscape or whatever i get the error : could not execute command <command here> |
| 01:42.38 | guestish | shift: theres only 1 x in debian at the moment |
| 01:42.44 | guestish | shift: unless you know otherwise |
| 01:42.47 | JoshTriplett | kruzi: Installing xterm didn't help? |
| 01:42.49 | shift | ahhh _that_ one, hehe |
| 01:42.58 | Bols | Guerin: It will not be packaged for Debian in its current form - the next change will be to the modular tree. what does it mean? |
| 01:43.12 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: no change |
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| 01:43.21 | dodgyville | Is it possible to enable DMA mode on a device (/dev/dvd/) that's not supported by hdparm? |
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| 01:43.27 | kruzi | JoshTriplett: nah i didnt do that becasue it happens when i try and load anything, netscape, vi, any editor, anything |
| 01:43.40 | guestish | dodgyville: powertweak might let you |
| 01:43.41 | shift | dodgyville: use the true name for it |
| 01:43.44 | kinaole | hello, i am having problems with a testing upgrade. apt-get -f install seems to be stuck and cannot resolve depends - specifically "foomatic-db-engine conflicts with foomatic-db (<< 2.9" |
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| 01:43.56 | guestish | kinaole: use dpkg |
| 01:43.56 | db8 | anyone know wjat im doing wrong - i have samba running on Mandrake10, im on another PC and i can see the shared user folder but i cant write to it even though i have set full permissions from root and from the user mode - it wont work |
| 01:44.00 | Award | guestish: ahh thanks, that did solve it |
| 01:44.06 | guestish | db8: this is not #mandrake |
| 01:44.06 | Award | guestish: I've NEVER had that problem before :) |
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| 01:44.13 | guestish | Award: it happens :) |
| 01:44.13 | dodgyville | shift: I did, it goes down to /dev/scd1 |
| 01:44.18 | db8 | oh shit |
| 01:44.19 | duckman75 | i am trying to mount my digital camera and mount /dev/sda /mnt is not working. i see the camera info in /var/log/message when i plug it in.. any ideas? |
| 01:44.29 | Bols | what's the modular tree? uh? |
| 01:44.32 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Hmm, ok what does "ls -l /usr/sbin/modconf" say? |
| 01:44.45 | kinaole | guestish: what dpkg command will get me past this partial upgrade? |
| 01:44.45 | biohazrd | kinaole, try apt-get remove --purge foomatic-db-engine |
| 01:44.45 | guestish | dodgyville: optical drives dont have partitions |
| 01:44.45 | shift | dodgyville: i don't remember if hdparm works on scsi devices |
| 01:44.45 | db8 | i thought u might know |
| 01:44.47 | Award | guestish: Helixplayer is the replacement you used or mplayer? |
| 01:44.50 | g4lt | !u |
| 01:44.50 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 01:44.55 | biohazrd | then apt-get update and upgrade again |
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| 01:45.10 | mentor | Guerin: I can't find the log file at the moment, but the other day you said something along the lines of 'If you fucking ask about <blah> you are going to get a serious arse kicking.' to someone when they joined. |
| 01:45.10 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5322 apr 1 2002 /usr/sbin/modconf |
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| 01:45.19 | guestish | Award: both, helixplayer has browser integration and more codec support, i still prefer mplayer if it will play the file (mplayer's codecs only go up to realplayer 9) |
| 01:45.23 | linoleum | hi , please, I would like to know, what is the way I must enter in XFconfig to have my PS2 mouse working... I have actualy an USB mouse, and I have /dev/input/mice , but I think I have to change this line. plz help :) |
| 01:45.34 | dodgyville | shift: I don't think its a SCSI device, I think its emulating(?) |
| 01:45.35 | Guerin | Bols: xorg is busily redesigning xfree864.4rc2 from the monolithic application it is now to a modular suite of applications. Once that transition is reasonably complete, debian will look at integrating it. There's also the possility that debian will go with freedesktop.org's X fork. It's complicated. |
| 01:45.55 | Award | guestish: ahh, thanks :) |
| 01:45.55 | shift | dodgyville: so use it on the /dev/hdX alt. |
| 01:46.04 | dodgyville | guestish: I'm trying to speed up xine and it recommends changing DMA setting on dvd |
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| 01:46.07 | guestish | Award: but helixplayer will play anything realplayer did |
| 01:46.11 | Bols | Guerin: ok, thx |
| 01:46.14 | mentor | Guerin: Do you remember this? |
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| 01:46.19 | Guerin | mentor: yeah, I remember that. There was a good reason for it, too. |
| 01:46.25 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Ok, and "/usr/sbin/modconf" (I mean, when you specify the complete path) |
| 01:46.28 | guestish | dodgyville: im telling you, optical drives do not have partitions, so its either /dev/scd or that isnt a dvd drive |
| 01:46.29 | dodgyville | shift: How do I find out what is hdX alt? ll seems to stop at /dev/scd1 |
| 01:46.37 | biohazrd | linoleum, /dev/psaux should work for ps2 |
| 01:46.53 | db8 | why do i get access denied, when i try to write to the linux hdd over the network |
| 01:46.54 | dodgyville | guestish: Oh yeah, sorry |
| 01:46.56 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: that doesn't help |
| 01:46.56 | linoleum | biohazrd: ok, so I enter this line, and then I reboot?? |
| 01:47.04 | guestish | Guerin: how many forks of X are there? |
| 01:47.05 | shift | dodgyville: dvd/cd's are *normaly* on /dev/hdc or /dev/hddd |
| 01:47.07 | mentor | Guerin: No matter, it isn't appropriate. Please do not do so again. If someone doesn't respond to polite requests, request on Op... |
| 01:47.14 | guestish | dodgyville: thats a big difference you know |
| 01:47.18 | Guerin | mentor: that user had been in about 12 hours earlier, and was publicly paging a lurker in this channel, who was an op in ANOTHER channel from which he had been banned. |
| 01:47.18 | biohazrd | linoleum, you have 2 mice hooked up? |
| 01:47.36 | biohazrd | linoleum, and you dont have to reboot, only restart X |
| 01:47.48 | linoleum | biohazrd: yes, but only the USB working at the moment (/dev/input/mice) |
| 01:47.48 | mentor | Guerin: Yes. My comment still stands. |
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| 01:47.56 | Guerin | mentor: very well. |
| 01:48.00 | mentor | :) |
| 01:48.01 | guestish | Guerin: i dont see any X on freedesktop.org's site |
| 01:48.02 | linoleum | biohazrd: ok thanks |
| 01:48.07 | biohazrd | you need to create another entry for say "Mouse 2" |
| 01:48.15 | linoleum | ah ok |
| 01:48.28 | Guerin | guestish: AFAIK, there are just those two main ones, plus xfree86 |
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| 01:48.34 | dodgyville | guestish: ll says /dev/dvd is actually /dev/scd0 |
| 01:48.42 | scarynetworkguy | stupid fucking undead |
| 01:48.45 | biohazrd | make sure you catch it at the end of the config file with configured devices too |
| 01:48.49 | guestish | Guerin: freedesktop.org just says that its hosting x.org's X variant, nothing about another one |
| 01:48.55 | guestish | dodgyville: well then you have a messed up symlink |
| 01:48.57 | mentor | meh. |
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| 01:49.06 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Which Version are you using? |
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| 01:49.11 | dodgyville | guestish: DVDs play, just a bit slow |
| 01:49.13 | guestish | Guerin: maybe im looking in the wrong area |
| 01:49.18 | Guerin | guestish: hrm, let me see... |
| 01:49.25 | guestish | dodgyville: processor/RAM/kernel/desktop |
| 01:49.28 | kruzi | hey all ive got xserver setup and am running windowmaker, however doesnt matter if im root user or just a console user whenever from the wm menu i try to load something i get the error..... ' could not execute command - exec 'appname' ' and i got |
| 01:49.29 | kruzi | nfi how to fix? |
| 01:49.39 | mentor | (#debian is just supposed to be an pleasant place to get help with Debian :( ) |
| 01:49.54 | Guerin | guestish: I'm pretty sure they have a different fork; one is a recent fork of xfree4.4rc2, the other is a fork that's been in development for ages |
| 01:50.02 | guestish | Guerin: got a url? |
| 01:50.03 | dodgyville | AMD 1800/512/2.4.2x/KDE |
| 01:50.31 | guestish | dodgyville: have you checked to see if your processor is overloaded, or if you are out of RAM? |
| 01:50.34 | kruzi | anyone? |
| 01:50.41 | guestish | dodgyville: KDE is a very resource intensive desktop |
| 01:50.49 | IsoLnCHiP | kruzi: Do you know if your PATH is set correctly? |
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| 01:50.58 | dodgyville | guestish: No, resources are fine... |
| 01:51.05 | shift | dodgyville: it may be ur graphics card or ram |
| 01:51.07 | linoleum | biohazrd: do you know the "protocol I have to enter?? I have Imps/2 for my USB mouse |
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| 01:51.09 | Guerin | guestish: no, I'm looking now |
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| 01:51.12 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: of modconf: [?] of debian: [woody] |
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| 01:51.29 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Of modconf "dpkg -l modconf" |
| 01:51.32 | guestish | Guerin: thanks |
| 01:51.34 | biohazrd | same... |
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| 01:51.39 | guestish | dodgyville: you checked with top? |
| 01:51.44 | linoleum | all right tkx |
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| 01:51.52 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, he said to do more pushups |
| 01:52.08 | dodgyville | shift: good pt geforce 2 mx |
| 01:52.18 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: who? what? |
| 01:52.18 | dodgyville | guestish: Yep |
| 01:52.21 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: doing that gave me some more errors |
| 01:52.29 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, top he said to do more pushups |
| 01:52.31 | shift | dodgyville: using the nvidia drivers or the xfree86 ones? |
| 01:52.33 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: lol |
| 01:52.41 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: but... 0.2.43 |
| 01:52.44 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, nothing like a good army joke |
| 01:52.50 | dodgyville | shift: nvidia |
| 01:52.51 | guestish | dodgyville: and how do you know that DMA is disabled? |
| 01:52.52 | elliotv | i found out that a lot of my packages would conflict, and apt-get would remove kde every once in a while. i run sid. is this normal? |
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| 01:52.58 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: ?? Hmm. What kind of errors? |
| 01:53.03 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: yep, cause all other jokes make some semblance of sense =P |
| 01:53.06 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: ;) |
| 01:53.15 | dodgyville | guestish: Well, I can't check because hdparm does not support /dev/dvd :) |
| 01:53.23 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, you clearly don't know me well. :0 |
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| 01:53.29 | guestish | dodgyville: well duh, you are using a symlink, use the real device |
| 01:53.30 | scarynetworkguy | none of my jokes make sense |
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| 01:53.37 | MobyTurbo | elliotv: what part of "unstable" do you not understand? |
| 01:53.42 | shift | dodgyville: ummm... check 'free -h' when ur playing a dvd see what ram u have free |
| 01:53.46 | guestish | dodgyville: like i said, its either /dev/scd or that is not the dvd drive |
| 01:53.56 | guestish | dodgyville: hdparm -Ii /dev/scd |
| 01:53.58 | scarynetworkguy | MobyTurbo, my guess is the "un" part |
| 01:54.08 | MobyTurbo | lol |
| 01:54.09 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: heh |
| 01:54.14 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: never mind, I mistook default dpkg -l output for errors ;-) |
| 01:54.22 | IsoLnCHiP | LOL |
| 01:54.40 | guestish | !lart dodgyville |
| 01:54.53 | guestish | dodgyville: how many times must i repeat myself before you start listening? |
| 01:54.53 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: And what exactly was the error again? |
| 01:55.16 | shift | heh |
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| 01:55.36 | scarynetworkguy | I can't find anywhere to buy fuel air grenades |
| 01:55.38 | PhotonX | ok |
| 01:55.40 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: when running modconf without parameters, it returns me to the command line after two seconds |
| 01:55.41 | PhotonX | give us gentoo jokes plz |
| 01:55.43 | PhotonX | im bored |
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| 01:55.55 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: "modconf --help" spews out: "/usr/sbin/modconf: -e: command not found" and "/usr/sbin/modconf: write_it_down: command not found" |
| 01:56.03 | db8 | why o why cant i copy files to a directory but i can copy from it, when i have allowed every goddamn permission there is from root from user from everything |
| 01:56.03 | guestish | PhotonX: well, gentoo is a distro (this is the time to laugh) |
| 01:56.08 | shift | gentto the only install that takes longer then windows (stage1)? |
| 01:56.10 | guestish | siTe: become root |
| 01:56.11 | MobyTurbo | scarynetworkguy: I think the closest place for that is Grenada |
| 01:56.11 | PhotonX | hahahahhahaha |
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| 01:56.15 | PhotonX | hahahaha |
| 01:56.15 | PhotonX | ok |
| 01:56.16 | PhotonX | keep going |
| 01:56.23 | guestish | PhotonX: thats it |
| 01:56.26 | PhotonX | wtf / |
| 01:56.26 | siTe | guestish: I am |
| 01:56.27 | PhotonX | :/ |
| 01:56.30 | dodgyville | guestish: Well, I'm not sure what to say ... /dev/dvd IS the dvd drive, I can access it, I can put DVD in the drive and play it, but the only way I know how to check the symlinks is with "ll" and that says /dev/dvd -> /dev/cdrom -> /dev/scd0. I don't think the DVD is SCSI. |
| 01:56.32 | guestish | :) |
| 01:56.37 | Bols | do you know if there is a way to "inject" a pkg into apt's database ? for example, i compile a soft by hand and and it to be into apt's databases, is it possible? |
| 01:56.38 | siTe | guestish: on that tty |
| 01:56.53 | dodgyville | guestish: thanks for your help btw |
| 01:56.53 | scarynetworkguy | dodgyville, it pretends it is. Kind of like I pretend to have a clue |
| 01:56.56 | guestish | siTe: well reinstall module-init-tools |
| 01:56.56 | Blissex | dodgyville: that link chain says '/dev/dvd' is a SCSI device. |
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| 01:57.01 | guestish | dodgyville: np... |
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| 01:57.17 | MobyTurbo | Bols: making your own debs is easy with checkinstall |
| 01:57.18 | Rez | dodgyville: it may not be scsi, but be presented to the system as scsi via ide-scsi |
| 01:57.20 | Blissex | dodgyville: a simulated SCSI device probably ('ide-scsi'). |
| 01:57.30 | PhotonX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:57.33 | siTe | guestish: reinstalling modconf itself had no effect, why should this? |
| 01:57.34 | dodgyville | Blissex: I think its an IDE dvd drive being emulated. |
| 01:57.34 | guestish | dodgyville: alright, i have no idea wtf is up with your comp, but in any case install powertweak and use it to enable DMA if it isnt enabled already |
| 01:57.35 | PhotonX | if anyone has more jokes, PM me |
| 01:57.37 | PhotonX | otherwise |
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| 01:57.42 | guestish | siTe: really? well nvm then |
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| 01:57.58 | Annirak_ | hey, how do I get a list of installed packages? |
| 01:58.08 | Bols | MobyTurbo: yeah, but there options that we can only activate at compilation |
| 01:58.12 | atx3d | I have downloaded CD #5 of woody because I want to install kernel 2.4. During the installation I cant find drivers.tgz... rescue.bin is in dir boot, but drivers.tgz is nowhere. Do I need CD 1 ? |
| 01:58.12 | guestish | siTe: try running /usr/sbin/modconf or whatever instead of relying on the path variable |
| 01:58.14 | Blissex | dodgyville: let's say I thi nk there are only two native SCSI DVD drives I know of, and it is very unlikely you have one of them. |
| 01:58.15 | dodgyville | guestish: That's good advice I think |
| 01:58.19 | guestish | dodgyville: heh |
| 01:58.30 | guestish | Blissex: well you never know :) |
| 01:58.35 | dodgyville | Blissex: Yes, that is my point. |
| 01:58.37 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: make sure they have good lungs |
| 01:58.50 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, damn straight |
| 01:58.55 | guestish | :) |
| 01:58.59 | Blissex | guestish: the only one in ``common'' use costs several thousand dollars :-). |
| 01:59.09 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Are you useing bash? |
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| 01:59.21 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: yes |
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| 01:59.36 | siTe | guestish: that didn't work, I tried |
| 01:59.38 | guestish | Blissex: he could of gotten a deal...a really good deal ;) |
| 01:59.43 | scarynetworkguy | Blissex, just like burners it likes to pretend that it is but it is not really |
| 01:59.44 | guestish | siTe: then use modprobe like everyone else |
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| 02:00.09 | siTe | guestish: I'm worried about this, it worked great a week ago |
| 02:00.19 | Guerin | guestish: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/07/msg00439.html |
| 02:00.19 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Would you mind DCC'ing me your modconf file |
| 02:00.20 | guestish | dodgyville: even if its scsi emulation, it would still be /dev/scd, NOT /dev/scd0 |
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| 02:00.33 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: not at all |
| 02:00.41 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: I mean the /usr/sbin/mondconf |
| 02:00.44 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: I mean the /usr/sbin/modconf |
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| 02:00.50 | Guerin | guestish: I've read it elsewhere as well, but I'm damned if I can find it now |
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| 02:01.06 | dodgyville | guestish: Well, I think this is the bit where reality is disagreeing with common sense :( |
| 02:01.10 | guestish | Guerin: this is all that i found, maybe its what you are talking about: http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/xserver |
| 02:01.20 | guestish | dodgyville: do this for me, type eject /dev/scd |
| 02:01.27 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Ok, this might take a moment... Ill take a look at it |
| 02:01.30 | Form | I need some help with /etc/network/interfaces and mapping |
| 02:01.35 | guestish | Guerin: i dunno thoguh |
| 02:01.45 | dodgyville | guestish: eject: unable to find or open device for: `/dev/scd' |
| 02:01.59 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: ok, I still think it's not the script itself though, doesn't it rely on other files which may be corrupted? |
| 02:02.06 | Form | ifup eth0 exits with "Ignoring unknown interface eth0=RETURNVALUE." |
| 02:02.09 | Guerin | guestish: yeah, that's the one. |
| 02:02.11 | guestish | dodgyville: now try eject /dev/scd0 |
| 02:02.14 | guestish | Guerin: ah, ok |
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| 02:02.23 | Form | RETURNVALUE being the value returned by my mapping script |
| 02:02.33 | Guerin | guestish: I was looking for references to debian's possible inclusion of it in a distro, not to the actual project itself |
| 02:02.38 | dodgyville | guestish: eject /dev/scd0 -> dvd ejects from drive |
| 02:02.38 | guestish | Guerin: o, ok |
| 02:02.46 | kcom | mmm can someone explain to me the damn point of having /var/run/irc/ if everything else is still outside of /var/run/irc |
| 02:03.04 | guestish | can anyone explain to me how an optical drive can be /dev/scd0 and not /dev/scd? |
| 02:03.05 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Im trying to figure that out ;-) |
| 02:03.20 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: ok, thanks :-D |
| 02:03.26 | shift | dodgyville: try 'dmesg | grep hd | grep CD' |
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| 02:03.56 | dodgyville | shift: hdd: Pioneer DVD-ROM ATAPIModel DVD-106S 012, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 02:04.01 | guestish | ahhh |
| 02:04.03 | guestish | thank you!@ |
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| 02:04.07 | guestish | dodgyville: its /dev/hdd! |
| 02:04.12 | db8 | im going bald |
| 02:04.16 | shift | dodgyville: k, so use /dev/hdd on ur hdparm line then |
| 02:04.18 | shift | :D |
| 02:04.18 | guestish | dodgyville: you crazy person =P |
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| 02:04.25 | tcsetattr | I've set a static arp table entry like this: `arp -Ds $SOME_IP eth0 pub' now I want to get rid of it but arp -d $SOME_IP says SIOCDARP(pub): No such file or directory -- what can I do to get rid of this thing? |
| 02:04.32 | guestish | making me think it was scsi emulation... |
| 02:04.45 | dodgyville | guestish: I told you I only knew how to use "ll" ... |
| 02:04.45 | shift | guestish: it is but with ide support enabled too |
| 02:05.04 | db8 | its linux and MS |
| 02:05.04 | guestish | shift: you can only have one or the other, they conflict |
| 02:05.17 | guestish | shift: at least with the kernels i've used |
| 02:05.17 | shift | i've used both before for years on multiple boxen |
| 02:05.22 | kcom | mmm can someone explain to me the damn point of having /var/run/irc/ if everything else is still outside of /var/run/irc ... coz i really dont see the ppoint of /var/run unless to chroot stuff |
| 02:05.24 | guestish | alrighty |
| 02:05.26 | db8 | multiple sclerosis and anthrax |
| 02:05.31 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Which kernelversion are you useing? |
| 02:05.39 | guestish | dodgyville: hdparm -Ii /dev/hdd =P |
| 02:05.48 | shift | no =P, hehe |
| 02:06.02 | ekekos | after last dist-upgrade i lost nvidia's drivers function, somebody know how to repair it? |
| 02:06.06 | ekekos | SID |
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| 02:06.22 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: If its > 2.5.x did you try reinstalling module-init-tools as suggested before? |
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| 02:06.31 | shift | ekekos: 'locate NVIDIA' cd to ir and ./NVIDIA<blah> |
| 02:06.39 | shift | it* |
| 02:06.40 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: again with dpkg --purge |
| 02:06.52 | guestish | dodgyville: in any case DMA is enabled by default |
| 02:06.59 | guestish | dodgyville: so it should be enabled already |
| 02:07.12 | guestish | unless you've been doin some funky stuff with your IDE setup |
| 02:07.47 | guestish | i personally have no trouble playing dvds here on my 866 ;) |
| 02:08.13 | ekekos | shift: ? |
| 02:08.18 | shift | guestish: not rmemebering hdparms args too well it might be a slower DMA for the drive (i know my dvd burner needed to use dma4 or dma5 iirc) |
| 02:08.23 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: I have run a 2.6 for one day and then reverted to a 2.4 |
| 02:08.38 | Annirak_ | Using tcpdump, how do I specify to look for icmps only? |
| 02:08.41 | guestish | shift: my dvd uses udma2, but it defaults to the fastest supported one |
| 02:08.42 | shift | ekekos: sorry, auto compleat selelcted you, hehe |
| 02:08.48 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: let me try that |
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| 02:09.18 | tcsetattr | Annirak, type "tcpdump icmp" |
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| 02:09.36 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: E: Couldn't find package module-init-tools |
| 02:09.37 | ekekos | shift: what is ./NVIDIA...? |
| 02:09.51 | shift | too tired, its 3:09, i'm off to bed and to plug my xbox back into the lan so i can watch something while i fall asleep, hehe |
| 02:09.55 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Hmm, maybe the short upgrade to 2.6 screwed things up. Do you recall installing any packages along with it? |
| 02:09.56 | guestish | ekekos: a brand |
| 02:09.58 | Annirak_ | tcsetattr looks like I was trying too hard, then. I was using tcpdump ip proto icmp hehe |
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| 02:10.17 | shift | ekekos: nvidia drivers all start NVIDIA so under bash ./NVIDIA<tab> |
| 02:10.19 | shift | hehe |
| 02:10.21 | shift | nn all |
| 02:10.54 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: not sure |
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| 02:11.12 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: is it the package modutils? |
| 02:11.33 | ekekos | shift: nvidia drivers are under apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 02:11.33 | duckman75 | my mic is very low in volume.. i have turned it all the way up in mixer but still too soft.. can anyone help? |
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| 02:11.48 | guestish | duckman75: turn up the capture volume |
| 02:11.54 | duckman75 | guestish: how? |
| 02:11.55 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Might like to give that a shot as well |
| 02:11.58 | starshine | duckman75: I just got here, but I'll try |
| 02:12.01 | guestish | duckman75: in alsamixer |
| 02:12.13 | starshine | I have a happy mic and I had to fiddle with the following things: |
| 02:12.14 | Guerin | duckman75: does you mic have its own volume control? Your mixer might also have a "mic boost" slider you can use |
| 02:12.17 | loof | Heya, where would I find a changelog for the netinstall CD from beta4 to current? |
| 02:12.36 | Guerin | loof: on the d-i site, I expect |
| 02:12.37 | duckman75 | guestish: alsamixer shows my capture card only.. not my soundblaster so alsa isnt working for me |
| 02:12.40 | pindonga | hi people... i am just struggling with apache. I am using debian woody and testing, and I am trying to set up my apache to use mod_proxy, but I seem to be lost. Can anyone tell me please, where I can find some debian-specific documentation about apache+mod_proxy (if there is any), or which package provides mod_proxy? |
| 02:12.44 | starshine | mixer setting, slidy knob on the mic, make sure the mute button isn't toggled (prob not your bug, that gets silence) |
| 02:12.51 | duckman75 | no mic control and i cannot find a mic boost anywhere |
| 02:12.56 | starshine | amd make sure it's plugged into the right mic hole |
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| 02:13.03 | guestish | duckman75: beats me, im off to play on my ps2 |
| 02:13.06 | duckman75 | i can hear volume.. just VERY low |
| 02:13.06 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: but there's no module-init-tools package |
| 02:13.10 | guestish | duckman75: gl |
| 02:13.16 | duckman75 | :D thx |
| 02:13.22 | loof | Guerin: I looked around for it... couldn't find a changelog for the cd itself |
| 02:13.32 | loof | Just some news as to when beta4 was released |
| 02:13.33 | siTe | WARNING: Kernel was compiled with modules support! |
| 02:13.33 | siTe | Removing the modutils package could result in an unusable |
| 02:13.33 | siTe | system if you use modules. Remove this package only if you |
| 02:13.33 | siTe | are really sure of what you are doing. |
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| 02:13.38 | loof | but nothing on what is in the dailies |
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| 02:13.47 | starshine | also sometimes the app has a mixer slidy in it, e.g. gnomemeeting, which means you get to slide the slidy back up |
| 02:13.51 | duckman75 | Guerin: what mixer has a mic boost? |
| 02:13.51 | siTe | sorry |
| 02:14.14 | siTe | how retarded can one be? well, check me out, duh |
| 02:14.18 | duckman75 | screw it.. ill just pull out my capture card |
| 02:14.29 | duckman75 | man i hate this |
| 02:14.44 | starshine | duckman75: do try plugging into the other holes on the audio card |
| 02:14.52 | guestish | duckman75: alsa supports multiple devices, but if you want to use one other than the default you have to specify it... |
| 02:14.58 | duckman75 | starshine: it is in the correct input |
| 02:15.05 | starshine | on mine one *seemed* like mic and was almost silent, but the one next to it was full volume |
| 02:15.08 | guestish | duckman75: the default is 0, it goes up from there |
| 02:15.14 | guestish | duckman75: check the man page |
| 02:15.14 | duckman75 | guestish: how do u specify? |
| 02:15.22 | guestish | duckman75: check the alsamixer man page |
| 02:15.23 | starshine | seems monaural input needed the other spot! |
| 02:15.47 | guestish | duckman75: now im really afk |
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| 02:15.56 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: ??? |
| 02:15.59 | siTe | IsoLnCHiP: if I remove the modutils package and then reinstall it, do I still have a risc of damaging the system? |
| 02:16.03 | duckman75 | guestish: get an Xbox btw... PS2 hahahaha |
| 02:16.17 | starshine | siTe: apt-get --reinstall install modutils |
| 02:16.21 | starshine | do it all at once |
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| 02:16.28 | kcom | duckman75: actually PS2 has more games which are better for a lower end machine |
| 02:16.33 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: AFAIK as long as you dont reboot in betwean it should be fine |
| 02:16.35 | kcom | the xbox is a crashy bastard |
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| 02:16.53 | guestish | duckman75: screw you and your microsoft shit |
| 02:16.54 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Or plugin USB devices or the likes |
| 02:16.54 | duckman75 | i have both.. ps2 in closet |
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| 02:17.03 | duckman75 | guestish: lol |
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| 02:17.54 | ekekos | modprobe nvidia |
| 02:17.57 | ekekos | fatal_: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.6-1-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format |
| 02:17.58 | siTe | ok, here goes... |
| 02:18.01 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: Ok, the next thing to check is "ls -l /usr/share/modconf" |
| 02:18.11 | ericb | wassup |
| 02:18.14 | duckman75 | now i tried to go to deveice 1 in alsamixer and it says no device?!?! how can that be.. i am hearing sound |
| 02:18.25 | helix | ericb: have you seen rakim? |
| 02:18.27 | ericb | I need help getting sound to newly installed games |
| 02:18.39 | IsoLnCHiP | siTe: And better post that to #flood |
| 02:18.39 | ericb | helix is a hiphop fan too I see |
| 02:18.53 | helix | i was hoping you wouldn't get that |
| 02:18.55 | helix | oh well |
| 02:19.00 | ericb | I was fiend, before I became a teen |
| 02:19.20 | duckman75 | how can i tell if i am running OSS or ALSA? |
| 02:19.34 | mentor | kcom: Yes, and the DVD drive sucks in dust and dies after a while too. |
| 02:19.37 | peterS | duckman75: your module list will either have ALSA modules in it, or not |
| 02:19.46 | dondelelcaro | duckman75: if /proc/asound exists, you're running alsa. |
| 02:19.47 | peterS | duckman75: ALSA modules all start with 'snd-' or snd_' and there will be a lot of them |
