| 00:00.04 | LaaLaa | PlaYmo, last string |
| 00:00.07 | Mp3 | anyone have any idea how to mount a usb cdrw ? |
| 00:00.16 | Mp3 | using debian woody |
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| 00:00.52 | Mp3 | the kernel finds it, i know that much becuase ive seen it list the drive when it boots, but it never tells me what device it is |
| 00:01.04 | directhex | sda i expect |
| 00:01.09 | Mp3 | and ive looked on the web, but all i can find is for like usb thumbdrives |
| 00:01.17 | PlaYmo | LaaLaa, thx for the help |
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| 00:02.03 | Mp3 | interpol@balsa:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda /cdrom0 |
| 00:02.03 | Mp3 | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 00:02.12 | Mp3 | i have an audio cd in the drive |
| 00:02.28 | LaaLaa | Mp3, Does kernel see your cdrom ? |
| 00:02.41 | directhex | you don't mount audio cds |
| 00:02.42 | Mp3 | LaaLaa: yes, it shows it during the init sequence |
| 00:02.44 | wake | Mp3: you can't mount an audio cd |
| 00:02.44 | directhex | you play them |
| 00:03.16 | LaaLaa | Mp3, yeah open it directly in xmms |
| 00:03.25 | Mp3 | directhex: thats the other fun part, i cant figure out how to configre the alsa drivers hehe |
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| 00:03.54 | Mp3 | before i installed debian i used the free version of XandrOS |
| 00:04.05 | Mp3 | and that used oss to my sb live! value! card |
| 00:04.11 | LaaLaa | Mp3, what kernel do You use& |
| 00:04.15 | LaaLaa | Mp3, ? |
| 00:04.33 | Mp3 | 2.4.16-686-smp |
| 00:04.49 | LaaLaa | Mp3, apt-get install alsa-source |
| 00:04.54 | directhex | 2.4.x uses oss by default |
| 00:04.55 | Mp3 | even tho i only have 1 processor, it installed that autopmagically with a package when i used apt-get |
| 00:05.24 | directhex | 2.6.x uses oss or alsa. |
| 00:05.38 | Mp3 | hrm |
| 00:06.05 | Mp3 | so if i open xmms, and go to /dev/sda, it should play eh? |
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| 00:07.17 | nsadmin | hmm, brb |
| 00:07.19 | felipe_BR | my dilemma: to use testing or unstable? |
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| 00:07.39 | directhex | i'm guessing it's sda. |
| 00:08.02 | Mp3 | well it dosen't have an entry in fstab... |
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| 00:09.40 | LaaLaa | Mp3, apt-get install alsa-source; cd /usr/src; sudo tar zxf alsa-driver.tar.bz2; cd modules/alsa-driver; sudo ./configure; sudo make; sudo make install; sudo ./snddevices; aumix; sudo echo '/dev/sda /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0' >> /etc/fstab; xmms |
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| 00:09.56 | nsadmin | got a coupla problems, one, when the new modprobe (in module-init-tools?) got installed, it moved the modprobe.conf around somehow, and modconf can't find it. |
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| 00:10.38 | nsadmin | second, I also upgraded my kernel from 2.6.3 to .7 and no more usb mouse... |
| 00:11.07 | nsadmin | any known solutions to at least the first problem? |
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| 00:11.45 | LaaLaa | nsadmin, try to configure /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 00:11.57 | nvz | LaaLaa: are you on crack? |
| 00:12.09 | LaaLaa | nvz, ? |
| 00:12.22 | nvz | LaaLaa: his problems were with module-init-tools and usbmouse |
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| 00:12.39 | nsadmin | that part's supposedly done... the mouse did work but not anymore |
| 00:12.53 | nvz | the mouse problem is probably because there was an addition of new options in the new kernel |
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| 00:13.17 | LaaLaa | nsadmin, make menuconfig -> search about mouse |
| 00:13.17 | nvz | or because module-init-tools is broke |
| 00:13.26 | nsadmin | also, when I pull the mouse and reconnect, it says there is a device but doesn't seem to know what it is |
| 00:13.29 | LaaLaa | nvz, unlikely |
| 00:13.38 | nvz | if he cant load modules he cant have usb loaded now can he |
| 00:14.05 | nvz | nsadmin: yeah thats becasue you are missing some modules |
| 00:14.16 | nsadmin | ahh, but there are modules loaded |
| 00:14.23 | nsadmin | maybe by insmod? |
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| 00:14.36 | LaaLaa | nsadmin, modprobe |
| 00:14.39 | nvz | nsadmin: you will need at least a HCI driver, HID and Input |
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| 00:14.54 | nsadmin | let me see if I can find them manually |
| 00:15.17 | [-ArThUr-] | i'm having problems, to add interbase (firebird) support to php in debian.. anyone can help me? |
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| 00:15.39 | OCARA | Hi |
| 00:15.41 | nsadmin | LaaLaa: the thing is, modprobe doesn't seem to be working (at least sometimes: when I run modconf, it tries to call modprobe which fails) |
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| 00:15.49 | OCARA | im having serious trouble here |
| 00:15.55 | OCARA | Fatal: VolumeID read error: sector 0 of /dev/hdb not readable |
| 00:15.57 | nvz | [-ArThUr-]: try elaborating on the "problems" for anyone who could help |
| 00:16.12 | nvz | OCARA: recently resized partitions or anything? |
| 00:16.28 | nsadmin | recently backed up too? :) |
| 00:16.33 | OCARA | but the sistem is instaled in /dev/hda1 and i need to run lilo.. i modifyed de vmlinuz and if i dont run it the pc will not boot :-P |
| 00:16.36 | [-ArThUr-] | i installed php4-interbase, restareted apache, but it won't added the suport into php... |
| 00:16.42 | OCARA | nvz: no. |
| 00:16.48 | [-ArThUr-] | yeah, firebird is running well |
| 00:16.48 | LaaLaa | nsadmin, read some articles about correct module-init-tools installing |
| 00:17.53 | nvz | [-ArThUr-]: what about the Read the documentation step? |
| 00:17.59 | OCARA | nvz: is there anything that i can do to do not loose my sistem? uahuahua |
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| 00:18.05 | nvz | [-ArThUr-]: which generally comes after installing |
| 00:18.25 | nsadmin | LaaLaa: this mess is apparantly the fault of the package maintainer: he/she has moved the config file to a different location (or split it into several locations) |
| 00:18.30 | nvz | OCARA: if your system is on hda, hdb doesnt have any threat to loosin your system what so ever |
| 00:18.49 | nvz | OCARA: you are going to have to be more specific about whats happening |
| 00:18.52 | nsadmin | Not that I'm complaining, but I need to come up with a solution |
| 00:18.54 | OCARA | nvz: but it wont boot anymore becouse i have modifyed de vmlinuz |
| 00:19.10 | heyhey | does anyone know of a program that will return a users uid? |
| 00:19.16 | nvz | heyhey: id |
| 00:19.17 | OCARA | when i run lilo i receive the message: Fatal: VolumeID read error: sector 0 of /dev/hdb not readable |
| 00:19.28 | nvz | heyhey: imagine that |
| 00:19.34 | OCARA | nvz: the only thing i have modifyed is the vmlinuz for a new build |
| 00:19.42 | [-ArThUr-] | really? oh god! and if i tell u i meded this yet? |
| 00:19.45 | nsadmin | OCARA: are you root when you try? |
| 00:19.51 | OCARA | yes :-) |
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| 00:19.54 | heyhey | lol, dang, i was always looking for uid |
| 00:19.59 | nvz | OCARA: I cant help you, nothing you are saying is of any help |
| 00:20.07 | heyhey | need to think more simply i guess |
| 00:20.11 | Mp3 | ok im installing 2.4.18-i686 |
| 00:20.19 | LaaLaa | nsadmin, but do not think that nobody installed module-init-tools properly instead of me ;) search by google |
| 00:20.20 | cathi | New Question: rpm -i --test gives conflict messages. what to do? |
| 00:20.29 | LaaLaa | \n. |
| 00:20.31 | OCARA | nvz: ok.. let me try. |
| 00:20.57 | MobyTurbo | cathi: let alien use rpm, Debian uses dpkg and apt-get/dselect |
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| 00:21.03 | nsadmin | LaaLaa: so what did you do? build it from source? |
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| 00:21.35 | LaaLaa | nsadmin, apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 00:21.44 | nsadmin | that's what I did too |
| 00:21.54 | OCARA | i just whant lilo to ignore the /dev/hdb... at this moment i have a vmlinuz diferent from the last (i built a new kernel and i overwrite the last vmlinuz)... i just need to run lilo to make my pc to boot again... what mor should i say to help you to help me? :-) |
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| 00:22.12 | [-ArThUr-] | nvz, u can help me? yes or no? |
| 00:22.18 | LaaLaa | nsadmin, I repeat that it's better to search google : "module-init-tools" |
| 00:22.18 | nsadmin | apparantly the problem is modconf, hasn't been brought up to date yet |
| 00:22.23 | nvz | OCARA: then edit /etc/lilo.conf and run lilo |
| 00:22.26 | Mp3 | quick question, how can i get a list of all installed packages? |
| 00:22.36 | Mp3 | like dpkg --list-all? |
| 00:22.37 | Mp3 | heh |
| 00:22.41 | OCARA | nvz: i did. but when i run lilo i receive the message: a.cs |
| 00:22.41 | OCARA | using System.Threading; |
| 00:22.41 | OCARA | public class yyy |
| 00:22.41 | OCARA | { |
| 00:22.41 | OCARA | public void abc() |
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| 00:22.58 | sjtu | After cp /usr to new partition and modify fstab only root can startx, how to solve it? |
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| 00:23.13 | LaaLaa | Mp3, apt-get install synaptic |
| 00:23.15 | nvz | [-ArThUr-]: nope. you installed something an are expecting you know what it is supposed to do, without reading the documentation, and being dissapointed because the automagic desired result didnt happen |
| 00:23.19 | thomas_adam | sjtu: check your oerms |
| 00:23.22 | OCARA | sorry |
| 00:23.23 | Mp3 | LaaLaa: i use synaptic already |
| 00:23.24 | nsadmin | sjtu: you copied incorrectly |
| 00:23.25 | nvz | [-ArThUr-]: rinse, lather, repeat. |
| 00:23.29 | _A_ | Mp3: dpkg -l |
| 00:23.36 | LaaLaa | Mp3, click in combo box |
| 00:23.40 | OCARA | nvz: ok. i edited, but when i run lilo i receive the message: Fatal: VolumeID read error: sector 0 of /dev/hdb not readable |
| 00:23.58 | nvz | OCARA: where in /etc/lilo.conf does it mention /dev/hdb? |
| 00:23.58 | LaaLaa | OCARA, are You root? |
| 00:23.59 | Mp3 | LaaLaa: i know about that, i wanted the dpkg cmd so i could |grep |
| 00:24.06 | nvz | OCARA: you probably dont even have an hdb |
| 00:24.07 | OCARA | so, |
| 00:24.09 | sjtu | thomas_adam: how to do it? |
| 00:24.10 | OCARA | sim |
| 00:24.12 | OCARA | yes |
| 00:24.14 | LaaLaa | Mp3, what You need exactly? |
| 00:24.15 | OCARA | nvz: i do. |
| 00:24.24 | OCARA | nvz: i can mount and etc... |
| 00:24.33 | _A_ | Mp3: dpkg -l | grep package |
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| 00:24.44 | nsadmin | OCARA: hopefully the sector isn't bad |
| 00:24.57 | nvz | OCARA: well then get to the damn point or leave me alone. as far as I know you have a system installed on hda, and upgraded the kernel.. so hdb's status is COMPLETLY IRRELAVANT |
| 00:24.58 | nsadmin | but it's starting to sound that way |
| 00:25.02 | OCARA | nsadmin: but can i make lilo ignore the /dev/hdb? |
| 00:25.07 | nvz | unless you want to tell me where that comes into play |
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| 00:25.37 | AmyMe | ok, so I got a new version of XFree86 from backports.org, still got "no screens found" error message. I removed the nvidia card so it's using the onboard graphics, ran dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 to select the correct graphics chip, and it's still saying "no screens found". >_< this is an incorrect vifeo card error message yes? |
| 00:25.45 | nsadmin | yeah, why is lilo trying to access hdb's mbr? |
| 00:25.47 | OCARA | nvz: i dont know too! hdb isnt mounted, i dont have nothing about hdb on my lilo, but when i run lilo i just receive that message! |
| 00:26.11 | nsadmin | look at your /etc/lilo.conf and make sure |
| 00:26.12 | thoreauputic | Mp3: dpkg -l (try typing dpkg --help) |
| 00:26.15 | OCARA | nsadmin: i realy dont know... |
| 00:26.18 | nsadmin | look at your /etc/lilo.conf and make sure |
| 00:26.20 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, startx | tail and send to #flood |
| 00:26.30 | OCARA | nsadmin: i already made that. i will look again to be shure |
| 00:26.38 | nvz | OCARA: I would suggest you /j #flood, and /exec -o grep -v # /etc/lilo.conf |
| 00:26.44 | [-ArThUr-] | nvz, yeah. i know wht it does. i know do it compiling php. i prefer do it using my gentoo. but now, i nedd to do this in an debian server. i read some docs in the net (the site telled me to install, php, then apt-get install php4-interbase), apt added the library (interbase.so), added the coirrect line to php.ini, but nothing changed. |
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| 00:27.09 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, this is not joke. I hope You understand |
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| 00:27.13 | nsadmin | OCARA: look at the output of "grep -n hdb /etc/lilo.conf" |
| 00:27.19 | [-ArThUr-] | nvz, sorry for the f** spelling |
| 00:27.26 | nvz | [-ArThUr-]: then the next step is to read the logs, if you think you know what you are doing and its not working |
| 00:27.30 | OCARA | nsadmin: there is nothing there. |
| 00:27.32 | AmyMe | LaaLaa will try to get the result in there. give me a minute |
| 00:27.41 | nsadmin | OCARA: weird... |
| 00:27.42 | nvz | [-ArThUr-]: otherwise go back and read the docs and make sure you didnt skip something |
| 00:27.54 | nsadmin | you have nothing on hdb mounted? |
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| 00:28.01 | [-ArThUr-] | nvz, i know what i'm doing? i know if i maded it right? |
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| 00:28.09 | [-ArThUr-] | nvz, i'm here for this |
| 00:28.24 | OCARA | nsadmin: no... hdb isnt mounted |
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| 00:28.41 | LaaLaa | OCARA, mount it and try again |
| 00:28.47 | nsadmin | are there any partitions on hdb? |
| 00:28.47 | OCARA | LaaLaa: ok |
| 00:28.49 | jimm | how the crap do i uninstall something?? |
| 00:28.52 | OCARA | nsadmin: yes. one |
| 00:28.57 | jimm | it wont let me from kpackage |
| 00:28.58 | nsadmin | what is it? |
| 00:29.01 | jimm | gaim |
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| 00:29.14 | jimm | i wann aupdate but i'm too retarded to do it |
| 00:29.15 | OCARA | nsadmin: ext3 |
| 00:29.16 | marinos | jimm: dpkg -r gaim |
| 00:29.24 | reubot | apt-get remove |
| 00:29.26 | [-ArThUr-] | nvz, u know what i'm doing? i know if i maded it right? |
| 00:29.28 | reubot | apt-get remove gaim |
| 00:29.31 | LaaLaa | nsadmin, number of partitions has no value |
| 00:29.32 | [-ArThUr-] | nvz, u know what i'm doing? u know if i maded it right? |
| 00:29.47 | reubot | apt-get update |
| 00:29.51 | reubot | or. |
| 00:29.54 | jimm | tons of errors |
| 00:29.57 | nsadmin | LaaLaa: so say you :) I have my reasons for asking :) |
| 00:30.04 | marinos | (t)errors |
| 00:30.05 | ponds | doesdoes anyone know if its possible to configure dpkg to where it doesn't try to modify init or configure anything when it installs a new package, such as whenever i install X from apt, I get xdm enabled on the next boot. Is there any way that I can configure dpkg so it doesn't touch my system configuration and lets me do all that myself? |
| 00:30.07 | OCARA | nsadmin: i tried to run cfdisk /dev/hdb and it said that canot read disk driver |
| 00:30.13 | reubot | apt-get install gaim to download latest version in archive |
| 00:30.16 | sjtu | I reinstall the xserver-common then it's ok thanks all :) |
| 00:30.24 | LaaLaa | nsadmin, I mean for him |
| 00:30.31 | jimm | still says its installed |
| 00:30.32 | nsadmin | OCARA: that's starting to sound like a hardware problem |
| 00:30.51 | [-ArThUr-] | nvz, the php i have installed is from the stable. the php4-interbase is just on testing. maybe i need to install the testong's php? |
| 00:30.53 | LaaLaa | nsadmin, aha |
| 00:30.53 | OCARA | nsadmin: dont say that! i have MANY important things on that driver! uhauahuhaua |
| 00:31.05 | [-ArThUr-] | nvz, the doc don't telled me that |
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| 00:31.18 | LaaLaa | OCARA, mount it and use the data |
| 00:31.26 | OCARA | nsadmin: infortunately, i cant reboot to remove that driver now... if i do so i will canot boot my debian anymore |
| 00:31.28 | LaaLaa | I hope You can do that? |
| 00:31.41 | OCARA | LaaLaa: i cant. isnt mounting. imput/output error |
| 00:31.57 | LaaLaa | OCARA, yo |
| 00:32.10 | nsadmin | sorry to hear that... |
| 00:32.15 | nvz | that drives problems are a separate issue from the lilo issue because the system is not on that drive.. |
| 00:32.19 | OCARA | LaaLaa: ok. fine. but how do i install lilo now? |
| 00:32.23 | nvz | the drive may just need gpart or something ran on it |
| 00:32.35 | LaaLaa | OCARA, lilo -v |
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| 00:33.07 | AmyMe | LaaLaa I can't paste the output of startx | tail onto #flood. will the end of the Xfree86.0.log file be OK? |
| 00:33.21 | OCARA | LaaLaa: can i paste the output here? |
| 00:33.31 | nsadmin | probably not |
| 00:33.32 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, show me it |
| 00:33.33 | comex | X won't use a higher resolution than 1024x768 |
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| 00:33.45 | LaaLaa | OCARA, You will be kicked |
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| 00:33.54 | LaaLaa | OCARA, by bot |
| 00:33.59 | nvz | OCARA: #flood |
| 00:34.04 | OCARA | nvz: ok |
| 00:34.22 | OCARA | pasted :-) |
| 00:34.31 | comex | Modes "1280x960" "1152x864" "1024x768" |
| 00:34.44 | comex | but it won't change |
| 00:34.57 | nsadmin | hmm, I may have found the problem :) |
| 00:35.08 | LaaLaa | nsadmin, well ... |
| 00:35.08 | nvz | comex: read /var/log/XFree86.0.log for details |
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| 00:35.20 | OCARA | nsadmin: so... is there salvation for me?!?! :-P |
| 00:35.25 | LaaLaa | nsadmin, Im interested ;) |
| 00:35.29 | nsadmin | apparantly my build of 2.6.7 did not also build usbmouse |
| 00:35.31 | nvz | comex: you hardware probably cant do them with the current configuration (or any configuration) |
| 00:35.46 | OCARA | LaaLaa: me too :) |
| 00:36.03 | LaaLaa | nsadmin, good joke ;) You mean about YOUR problem? |
| 00:36.11 | comex | the hardware does support the resulotion |
| 00:36.14 | nsadmin | yes |
| 00:36.16 | OCARA | uahuaua.. thats my end. |
| 00:36.17 | nvz | comex: entering the sync ranges for your monitor might help |
| 00:36.19 | Mp3 | brb |
| 00:36.21 | nsadmin | about my problem |
| 00:36.36 | nvz | comex: thats no the issue, the log will show you why the screenmodes are disabled |
| 00:36.39 | OCARA | is there a way to make lilo ignore that driver? |
| 00:36.49 | nvz | comex: many factors go into calculating screenmodes |
| 00:37.41 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, xserver can't find your vc I think |
| 00:37.41 | nsadmin | OCARA: if the drive is going bad and you need its data, you'll likely have to get someone to recover the data and write it to a new drive |
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| 00:37.51 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, what's your vc? |
| 00:37.53 | AmyMe | LaaLaa I just realoised, it's still trying to load the nv drivers, although I ran dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choose different ones. |
| 00:38.04 | jimm | ok so i do the remove and it tells me it has unmet dependencies? |
| 00:38.06 | jimm | wtf? |
| 00:38.11 | comex | how do I find the sync? |
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| 00:38.33 | nvz | comex: I will get you a url if you know your make/model |
| 00:38.35 | OCARA | nsadmin: the most important thing now is to make my debian boot again... the data on that driver are important but the data on de debian is more urgent :-) |
| 00:38.37 | LaaLaa | jimm, well satisfy it |
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| 00:38.48 | AmyMe | LaaLaa I removed a nvidia geforce 4 mmx and am now using onboard integrated via s3 prosavage8 |
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| 00:39.29 | nvz | comex: /msg dpkg sync, for the url, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 00:40.10 | comex | ok |
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| 00:40.50 | nvz | comex: however if you had read the log it would say what factors caused the screenmodes to be disabled, or if there were even disabled |
| 00:40.54 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, choose s3 vc |
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| 00:41.08 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, or savage vc |
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| 00:42.25 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, to this is rather strange error. Try to upgrade xfree |
| 00:42.26 | AmyMe | LaaLaa I ran dkpg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and chose s3. I rebooted and ran startx and it produced the log file I showed you. Do I need to do something else to change it? |
| 00:42.50 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, btw You did not have to reboot |
| 00:42.55 | agge | http://bugs.dotdeb.org/bug_view_page.php?bug_id=0000045 doesnt that mean php5 dotdeb works with apache2? |
| 00:43.21 | AmyMe | thanks. that will make it quicker to change things. |
| 00:43.31 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, show your XF86Config-4 |
| 00:43.33 | OCARA | i will reboot. if i dont come back is because i made shit... |
| 00:43.41 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, the whole |
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| 00:43.43 | OCARA | and my debian is dead :-P |
| 00:43.59 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, and show it not by line but the WHOLE at once |
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| 00:44.59 | LaaLaa | interesting about debain and grave ;) |
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| 00:45.05 | AmyMe | LaaLaa where is the file located? |
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| 00:45.12 | Crash_Down | :D |
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| 00:45.19 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 00:45.41 | AmyMe | thank you |
| 00:45.42 | jimm | how the crap do i satisfy it? |
| 00:46.00 | nsadmin | you want to satisfy a crap?! |
| 00:46.05 | jimm | oh thanx |
| 00:46.07 | jimm | thats cute |
| 00:46.13 | nsadmin | what does that mean? |
| 00:46.35 | jimm | i have unmet depndencies when I try to remove or update gaim |
| 00:46.59 | nsadmin | what does gaim depend on? |
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| 00:47.18 | jimm | buncha stuff i guess its a serious shoppping list |
| 00:47.26 | nsadmin | so install those :) |
| 00:47.27 | AmyMe | ooops |
| 00:47.40 | LaaLaa | jimm, I think that part of your debian libraries are older than other part. Try before upgrade to get all packages |
| 00:48.00 | nsadmin | that could very well be |
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| 00:48.30 | Asta | how create a initrd file? |
| 00:48.38 | jimm | how? |
| 00:48.42 | Asta | yes |
| 00:48.53 | Asta | i havnt it in /boot |
| 00:48.57 | LaaLaa | jimm, what did You do before apt-get upgrade? |
| 00:48.59 | nsadmin | you could install an initrd kernel |
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| 00:49.05 | cmdyntrgdy_ | welcome Lopuz |
| 00:49.08 | Asta | and i cant start with my new kernel :| |
| 00:49.13 | jimm | uhh apt-get update |
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| 00:49.14 | Lopuz | i am having troubles with an ati radeon driver |
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| 00:49.25 | Lopuz | i get no screens found when i startx |
| 00:49.53 | nsadmin | your x config isn't complete |
| 00:49.54 | deadcat | anyone know if its possible to do dual-head using only the NV driver? |
| 00:50.06 | LaaLaa | jimm, apt-get uptade - to make list of file which upgraded |
| 00:50.07 | deadcat | Lopuz: you use the ati driver? |
| 00:50.13 | Lopuz | yes |
| 00:50.19 | LaaLaa | jimm, apt-get upgrade - upgrade itself |
| 00:50.29 | Lopuz | but i havent been able to modprobe the radeon driver |
| 00:50.34 | deadcat | Lopuz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 00:50.36 | nsadmin | why not? |
| 00:50.41 | Asta | but how install an initrd kernel ? |
| 00:50.57 | nsadmin | same way as any other |
| 00:51.00 | Lopuz | deadcat: i have doneit |
| 00:51.03 | deadcat | Asta: most apt-get kernels ahve initrd support. |
| 00:51.11 | _frank | yep |
| 00:51.20 | deadcat | Lopuz: hmm. you picked the wrong brand of card i guess. sorry man. i use nvidia. |
| 00:51.26 | Asta | i just installed 2.3.7 kernel and no initrd :| |
| 00:51.31 | GrimReefer | heh |
| 00:51.32 | carrett | hey, i can't use the 8139too driver as a module...only hardcoded. any clue why? |
| 00:51.38 | GrimReefer | Radeon is better than Nvidia |
| 00:51.48 | nsadmin | the kernel packaging will figure out how to mount your -present- / and put whatever modules in the initrd |
| 00:51.55 | deadcat | carrett: laptop? |
| 00:52.01 | carrett | deadcat: nope |
| 00:52.06 | GrimReefer | it's just the fact that most games are in cahoots with Nvidia |
| 00:52.08 | thoreauputic | Asta: 2.3.7 kernel? hope that's a typo ;) |
| 00:52.28 | deadcat | carrett: weird. my laptop nic does the opposite. only work as module, same driver. |
| 00:52.32 | nsadmin | thoreauputic: why? |
| 00:52.35 | Vinland | I had to reboot my computer and when I restarted it gave me this "verifying DMI pool data..... LI ". What steps can I take to get my hard drive back, I have some valuable info in it |
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| 00:52.57 | carrett | deadcat: hmmm. i feel like i should file a bug, but i'm not sure if it's my fault or the coders/developers...probably mine |
| 00:53.15 | ebene | Lopuz: try switching ur framebuffer option |
| 00:53.21 | thoreauputic | nsadmin: err... 2.3 kernel?? not an option? |
| 00:53.27 | nsadmin | Vinland: restore from the backup you must have made because you knew your data was valuable :) |
| 00:53.32 | Lopuz | ebene: will that resolve the no screens found error? |
| 00:53.36 | nsadmin | thoreauputic: oh, oops :) |
| 00:53.37 | ebene | maybe |
| 00:53.42 | Vinland | nsadmin - ha I wish! |
| 00:53.43 | nsadmin | didn't see that |
| 00:53.43 | ebene | i had that on a geforce2 b4 |
| 00:53.59 | thoreauputic | nsadmin: have another coffee ;) |
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| 00:54.37 | nsadmin | good idea; I'll be back --peets coffee is the best-- |
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| 00:55.28 | nsadmin | Vinland: for the future, you'll know better, right? I dunno what to do about what you have going now tho; sorry |
| 00:56.15 | nsadmin | probably a good idea for you ^W everyone to get some sort of backup device, like a big tape drive |
| 00:56.19 | Vinland | nsadmin- I don't really have the resources to back my stuff up, i'm just a student. I tried a rescue disk but it wont mount a root drive. |
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| 00:56.41 | OCARA | its alive! |
| 00:56.43 | OCARA | uauaauhua |
| 00:56.53 | nsadmin | oh no, kill it! |
| 00:57.01 | AmyMe | LaaLaa I edited the XF86Config-4 file and changed the device from "nv" to "savage" and now it looks like XWindows is trying to load. :) |
| 00:57.02 | OCARA | nsadmin: thanks LaaLaa thanks nvz thanks! uahuahua |
| 00:57.18 | OCARA | nsadmin: no! do not! uahuah.. im glad to have it back |
| 00:57.25 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, this mean all is good? |
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| 00:57.27 | nsadmin | OCARA: what was the solution? |
| 00:57.33 | LaaLaa | OCARA, hehe |
| 00:57.52 | nsadmin | OCARA: you should back up your -valuable- data -now-. |
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| 00:58.24 | OCARA | i dont know whi, but it booted an old version of the kernel (2.4.24) (i modifyed the link but i think it didnt ment to work), re-installed the lilo and puft! works! uhauha |
| 00:58.27 | AmyMe | LaaLaa I have a blank screen and it is taking a long time. but it has not given me the same error message as before. I will wait and see. |
| 00:58.51 | nsadmin | OCARA: back up all your drives |
| 00:58.52 | nsadmin | soon |
| 00:58.56 | carrett | do detached windows in screen die after a certain amount of time? |
| 00:58.58 | nsadmin | now is better |
| 00:59.11 | deadcat | carrett: no. |
| 00:59.11 | LaaLaa | AmyMe, show me your log again then |
| 00:59.11 | OCARA | nsadmin: i will do it right now! |
| 00:59.16 | nsadmin | good. |
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| 00:59.27 | OCARA | nsadmin: thanks for the help. |
| 00:59.36 | carrett | weird....i just started a btdownloadcurses with a detached screen and it went away (without me doing anything) |
| 00:59.39 | OCARA | (but that driver just come back to work too) |
| 00:59.53 | deadcat | carrett: remote? or hd full? |
| 00:59.54 | carrett | when i went to do screen -r it said no screens or whatever |
| 00:59.56 | nsadmin | well, I wasn't much help in your case... but I'm glad it worked out |
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| 01:00.16 | carrett | deadcat: hmmm...shouldn't be a problem... |
| 01:00.19 | OCARA | nsadmin: anyway, thanks. |
| 01:00.35 | carrett | deadcat: i've got the box at my feet and 55 free gigs (according to df) |
| 01:00.36 | nsadmin | np |
| 01:00.45 | deadcat | carrett: i run screen+btdownload on remote server, sometimes hd is 100% and it kills all my downloads. |
| 01:00.57 | deadcat | carrett: weird. |
| 01:00.58 | Francisco | join #iptables |
| 01:01.00 | Lopuz | ebene: it didnt help:( |
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| 01:01.44 | ebene | hmm, i think u need to install a module for ur card, but i havent worked with ati b4 |
| 01:01.49 | honker | whats the diff between /sbin and /bin? |
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| 01:02.03 | deadcat | honker: /sbin is for root |
| 01:02.06 | Lopuz | OMG |
| 01:02.07 | kurapikats | gooday to all! |
| 01:02.08 | Lopuz | made in china |
| 01:02.10 | honker | deadcat: thanks |
| 01:02.16 | deadcat | Lopuz: HAHAHA |
| 01:02.18 | deadcat | no wonder |
| 01:02.26 | nsadmin | hah! they changed the name of the damn module! |
| 01:02.31 | carrett | deadcat: what's the diff b/t /usr/bin and /bin? |
| 01:02.42 | kurapikats | question... how can i change the welcome note when i log in to my computer using ssh |
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| 01:03.10 | nsadmin | LaaLaa: your solution of looking at make menuconfig was what solved it |
| 01:03.17 | deadcat | carrett: /bin is for command utils when system is in single usermode i think. |
| 01:03.24 | honker | kurapikats: /etc/motd |
| 01:03.24 | carrett | he's on a roll! |
| 01:03.41 | carrett | deadcat: actually...i'm not sure. but i think your'e right |
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| 01:04.22 | kurapikats | thanks! |
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| 01:04.29 | carrett | hey, if i've got multiple channels open in irssi, how do i switch b/t them? |
| 01:04.46 | dbron_ | carrett: M-# |
| 01:04.54 | deadcat | carrett: ctrl+n |
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| 01:05.29 | carrett | ls |
| 01:05.30 | carrett | ok |
| 01:06.33 | carrett | whoa, ixbiff is rad! |
| 01:08.08 | AmyMe | yay! I completed screwed it. When debian boots it is now going to a blank screen after running X windows type things. |
| 01:08.13 | nsadmin | having found the module, I'm set with that part... but I'm still left with modconf not working (because module-init-tools moved modprobe.conf file) |
| 01:08.23 | honker | AmyMe: you have a backup, right/ |
| 01:08.29 | deadcat | any commands to display my current resolution? |
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| 01:08.55 | nsadmin | mikee! you're root! |
| 01:08.56 | deadcat | AmyMe: tiem to reinstall. (= |
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| 01:09.28 | nsadmin | or learn shell commands and scripting :) |
| 01:09.28 | dondelelcaro | !reinstalling |
| 01:09.28 | dpkg | i heard reinstalling is what Windows users do to try to fix problems. Unix users read the errors and try to correct whatever's wrong |
| 01:09.50 | deadcat | (= |
| 01:09.52 | Lopuz | ANY suggestions how i can make my X work? |
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| 01:10.08 | AmyMe | Lopuz - I had same error. Debian no longer boots :) |
| 01:10.20 | dondelelcaro | Lopuz: have you followed the method in /msg dpkg set up x; yet? |
| 01:10.25 | Valium | AmyMe, reinstall everything |
| 01:10.27 | deadcat | AmyMe: Lopuz : debian doesnt boot or X doesnt start? |
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| 01:10.29 | Lopuz | nope |
| 01:10.31 | Lopuz | i will |
| 01:10.33 | dondelelcaro | AmyMe: it boots, you just can't start X. |
| 01:10.44 | mark02 | Anyone know the status of the php4 vunerability on woody? |
| 01:10.45 | agge | anyone now how to install php with apache2 instead of apache 1.3? please |
| 01:10.55 | dondelelcaro | AmyMe: boot with init=/sbin/init 1; and stop X from starting (use update-rc.d or apt-get remove to disable your dm.) |
| 01:10.57 | deadcat | mark02: update && upgrade |
| 01:11.00 | nsadmin | AmyMe: you might take this opportunity to learn how to use the shell |
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| 01:11.02 | dondelelcaro | AmyMe: then fix your X server setup. |
| 01:11.09 | AmyMe | Yes, sorry. Debian appears to boot normally and then X does not load correctly. |
| 01:11.25 | mark02 | deadcat: When did the security email come out? |
| 01:11.41 | AmyMe | thak you don. I will do try that. |
| 01:11.44 | nsadmin | (why does everything have to be graphical... I can go back and forth pretty easily) |
| 01:11.45 | deadcat | mark02: i dont know. but i assume its out. (= its debian. |
| 01:11.58 | honker | amyme: install epic4 or another type of command line irc client, so you can ask us and not have to switch between computers |
| 01:11.59 | dondelelcaro | nsadmin: most things worth having aren't. |
| 01:12.17 | jcole_deb | i'm running samba 3.0.4 and trying to join our company's domain |
| 01:12.24 | dondelelcaro | epic4? yeesh. Try irssi-text. |
| 01:12.29 | jcole_deb | net rpc join -S {pdc} -U {nt_domain}\\{nt_user} |
| 01:12.32 | mark02 | deadcat: Just feeling a little vunerable. |
| 01:12.37 | deadcat | AmyMe: Lopuz : try this: http://www.double-helix.org/linux/debian/ati-radeon-7000-deb.php <-- no GLX though |
| 01:12.39 | jcole_deb | gives me the error: cli_nt_setup_creds: request challenge failed |
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| 01:12.44 | deadcat | mark02: amen |
| 01:12.44 | jcole_deb | any suggestions? |
| 01:12.51 | mwilson | mark02: What PHP4 volnerability would that be, and why wouldn't you be posting to debian-decurity and reading debian-security-announce, if security issues were actually important to you? Especially d-s-a, which might receive all of ten messages a week, and is therefore extremely low-traffic? |
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| 01:13.38 | mark02 | mwilson: I saw there was a bug open for it, but didn't see any movement since last week. |
| 01:13.41 | agge | hmm |
| 01:13.50 | dondelelcaro | mark02: which bug? |
| 01:13.56 | dondelelcaro | mark02: and which CVE? |
| 01:14.00 | agge | nobody knows how to install php with apache2 in debian? |
| 01:14.03 | mark02 | I will look. |
| 01:14.03 | mwilson | mark02: How is that an answer to my question(s)? |
| 01:14.20 | dondelelcaro | agge: you apparently don't... but why don't you just ask your question? |
| 01:14.24 | carrett | agge: apt-cache search harder...it's in there |
| 01:14.27 | deadcat | mwilson: can i take a look at your .Xdefaults or .Xresources? |
| 01:14.42 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 259685 |
| 01:14.44 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: It'd be incredibly amusing how many cluebies think security is somehow important to them, but can't be bothered to read d-a or even d-s-a. |
| 01:14.45 | dpkg | #259685:G[php4] [CAN-2004-0595] PHP strip_tags() bypass vulnerability (sarge, security, upstream, woody) |
| 01:14.53 | reubot | oi |
| 01:14.56 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 259351 |
| 01:14.56 | agge | dondelelcaro: i did ? whats wrong with my question? |
| 01:14.59 | dpkg | #259351:G[php4] [CAN-2004-0594] PHP memory_limit remote vulnerability (security, woody) |
| 01:15.02 | gonzo | newbie Q: I just got Con Kolivas's kernel patch. How do I ,ummm, patch? |
| 01:15.06 | mark02 | Yep that's the one |
| 01:15.14 | reubot | does anyone know what the command is to run xcdroast in under 800x600 |
| 01:15.21 | dondelelcaro | mark02: note the tag on the latter one... it's woody only... |
| 01:15.22 | reubot | under 1024x768 I mena |
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| 01:15.33 | Infohawk | Whenever I open the kde file selector, "I get the error Could not start process Can't talk to klauncher". I've tried deleting all the tmp files, starting with new settings... but I still get that error. What should i do? |
| 01:15.34 | carrett | gonzo: go to /usr/share/doc/name-of-patch-package |
| 01:15.38 | jeanpoldeux | reubot: it does not work under 800x600 |
| 01:15.45 | mwilson | deadcat: They're up there already. Why, what are you trying to find out? |
| 01:15.46 | jeanpoldeux | reubot: try gtoaster |
| 01:15.59 | deadcat | mwilson: i am working on my settings. |
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| 01:16.12 | jeanpoldeux | reubot: I mean it works only in 800x600 |
| 01:16.16 | gonzo | carrett: you mean name-of-kernel-package. right? |
| 01:16.34 | jeanpoldeux | oops |
| 01:16.37 | reubot | eh? |
| 01:16.41 | carrett | gonzo: no, i mean the name of the patch package...there should be documentation telling you how to apply it in there |
| 01:16.42 | jeanpoldeux | reubot: sorry |
| 01:16.46 | reubot | I want to run it in 800x600 |
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| 01:16.55 | jeanpoldeux | reubot: it does not work under 800x600 |
| 01:17.05 | Lopuz | ok |
| 01:17.12 | gonzo | carrett: it's not package. it's just a text file.... |
| 01:17.12 | Lopuz | now i have tried everything |
| 01:17.14 | reubot | no it says it can. |
| 01:17.14 | Lopuz | (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:5:1) found |
| 01:17.14 | Lopuz | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 01:17.25 | Infohawk | If I do: "cp .kde .kdeold I get the error: cp:ommitting directory `.kde' Why won't it copy? |
| 01:17.26 | reubot | but you have to use a switch ro something |
| 01:17.28 | carrett | gonzo: there's a ck patch package i think...try installing it. |
| 01:17.37 | reubot | but I can't find it in the man page. |
| 01:17.46 | jeanpoldeux | reubot: I knox i tried, but then it falls back to 1024 |
| 01:17.55 | carrett | agge: APT-CACHE SEARCH APT-CACHE SEARCH...USE IT WISELY |
| 01:18.00 | deadcat | mwilson: good lord. thats alot of .res files. |
| 01:18.01 | gonzo | carrett: ck patch for 2.6.7???? |
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| 01:18.16 | carrett | gonzo: ooooh...prolly not...then you need to man patch |
| 01:18.18 | reubot | actually I found the sitch |
| 01:18.23 | reubot | not well documented in man page |
| 01:18.28 | agge | dondelelcaro: php5... :) |
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| 01:19.00 | carrett | gonzo: you could just install the latest ck patch package just to browse the docs...(uninstall before you actually patch though). but read the patch manpage. it's a er, pageturner |
| 01:19.10 | dondelelcaro | agge: you just asked for php. Regardless, php5 hasn't been packaged yet. It probably will make it into experimental soon. |
| 01:19.47 | agge | dondelelcaro: its been packaged, at dotdeb.org =) |
| 01:19.59 | dondelelcaro | agge: that isn't Debian, and those packages are most likely busted. |
| 01:20.04 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: the new one is already installed here... |
| 01:20.08 | mwilson | deadcat: Been customizing X for the way I want it to look for a long time. |
| 01:20.13 | agge | dondelelcaro: busted? |
| 01:20.14 | agge | lol! |
| 01:20.18 | agge | works perfect |
| 01:20.18 | simonrvn | agge: see what i said to dondelelcaro |
| 01:20.31 | deadcat | mwilson: nice. i like the colors you use on your screenshot |
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| 01:20.56 | gonzo | mwilson: where can i c yo screenshot? |
| 01:20.56 | dondelelcaro | agge: then why are you asking where to find them here since you've already found them? |
| 01:21.30 | Infohawk | ~bbiab |
| 01:21.31 | apt | somebody said bbiab was be back in a bit |
| 01:21.36 | simonrvn | "what is scalar data?" |
| 01:21.38 | Lopuz | ok... NOW i have tried everything |
| 01:21.45 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: in what context? |
| 01:21.47 | agge | dondelelcaro: no i didnt find them |
| 01:21.50 | gonzo | ~tank |
| 01:21.51 | apt | from memory, tank is tankmanns nickname, nobody else is allowed to use it |
| 01:21.52 | agge | they are just for apache 1.3 |
| 01:21.55 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: i'm reading from my book |
| 01:22.00 | BlackJudas[Ballz | Hmm well grub seemed to have owned LILO :/ |
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| 01:22.03 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: no worries |
| 01:22.05 | gonzo | ~truck |
| 01:22.07 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: which book? perl? |
| 01:22.12 | BlackJudas[Ballz | If anyone remembers my previous prob :s |
| 01:22.13 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: "learning perl" |
| 01:22.17 | dondelelcaro | gonzo: if you must play with the bot, /msg it. |
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| 01:22.46 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: there are two contexts in perl, LIST, and SCALAR. SCALAR means that something wants a single value, and LIST means that it wants a list of values. |
| 01:22.50 | simonrvn | agge: yeh, right. look again |
| 01:22.55 | BlackJudas[Ballz | Question: anyone ever looked at packaging what you find at bootsplash.org for Debian? |
| 01:22.56 | Lopuz | (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:1:5:1) found |
| 01:22.56 | Lopuz | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 01:22.58 | mwilson | gonzo: Since apparently it's important to you, http://members.cox.net/msw/ss/ss07201822.png |
| 01:23.01 | agge | simonrvn: look again where? |
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| 01:23.34 | gonzo | mwilson: i just like to waste time looking at other ppl's screenshot |
| 01:23.46 | simonrvn | agge: where else, your fucking debian fucking mirror |
| 01:23.52 | carrett | Loupz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86...make sure you have the driver for your card installed. what's the big deal? |
| 01:23.57 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: ah, they're actually in experimental now? |
| 01:24.10 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: sid, afaik. got d/led a while ago here |
| 01:24.14 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: so FE, $foo = bar(); would mean that bar was evaluated in scalar context, whereas @foo = bar(); would mean that bar was evaluated in list context... |
| 01:24.19 | Lopuz | carrett: well... i use the radeon card and i use the radeon driver, right? |
| 01:24.20 | simonrvn | this afternoon to be exact |
| 01:24.34 | agge | simonrvn: ive looked at it like 50 times last hour |
| 01:24.40 | agge | i cant find anything about apache2 on it |
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| 01:24.50 | simonrvn | dondelelcaro: yeh, i was just touching on that in chapter 1 |
| 01:24.55 | carrett | agge: shut up |
| 01:24.59 | honker | lslie |
| 01:25.13 | agge | carrett: ?? what is it? |
| 01:25.14 | carrett | Loupz: yes |
| 01:25.22 | agge | what did i ever do to you carrett ? |
| 01:25.22 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: heh. Yeah, that's one of the core things to learn early about perl... |
| 01:25.32 | simonrvn | agge: if you don't know how to use apt-cache search, then go read the fucking manual, man apt-cache |
| 01:25.33 | Lopuz | and i have tried EVERYTHING with the dpkg, and it still wont work |
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| 01:25.58 | carrett | Loupz: don't try everything, try the stuff that should work |
| 01:26.03 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: hrm... pdo doesn't have it... what package name? |
| 01:26.08 | carrett | Loupz: if it doesn't work, make sure you've installed it correctly |
| 01:26.15 | agge | simonrvn: fuck off, im sick of your attitude, what the hell has apt-cache to do with "look at your mirror again" ? i know how apt-cache search works but it has notthing to do with it |
| 01:26.15 | carrett | Loupz: if it still doesn't work, file a bug |
| 01:26.15 | simonrvn | libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 01:26.22 | jimm | ok everytime I use kpackage it says "exec failed: no such file or directory" |
| 01:26.26 | paolo | Hi guys! Did you install gthumb/unstable? it doesn't run, it says "gthumb: error while loading shared libraries: libgthumb.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory": what could it be? |
| 01:26.26 | BlackJudas[Ballz | Anyone care what bootsplash.org has? :) |
| 01:26.26 | carrett | agge: you're making a fool of yourself |
| 01:26.27 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: yeah, that's php4 though... |
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| 01:26.37 | simonrvn | that's what he was looking for |
| 01:26.37 | agge | carrett: am i? because of what? |
| 01:26.42 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: apparently, he's looking for php5 |
| 01:26.47 | simonrvn | OH FFS |
| 01:26.58 | simonrvn | kick him now. we covered this yesterday |
| 01:27.03 | carrett | agge: temper. temper. |
| 01:27.04 | simonrvn | agge: go away |
| 01:27.09 | agge | ? |
| 01:27.14 | agge | whats wrong? |
| 01:27.16 | carrett | hahaha |
| 01:27.24 | agge | what on fuckin earth did i do wrong? |
| 01:27.25 | dondelelcaro | agge: php5 isn't in debian yet. If you can't package it for apache2 yourself, wait, or use php4. |
| 01:27.25 | carrett | oi |
| 01:27.32 | dondelelcaro | agge: and calm down, please. |
| 01:27.42 | BlackJudas[Ballz | :o |
| 01:27.44 | agge | why are everyone swearing at me ? i havent done a shit |
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| 01:27.49 | hennewou | is ext2 faster than ext3? |
| 01:27.55 | BlackJudas[Ballz | I have a shoe! |
| 01:27.57 | carrett | you're the only one swearing... |
| 01:27.59 | dondelelcaro | hennewou: depends... probably not... |
| 01:28.02 | carrett | oh... |
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| 01:28.19 | simonrvn | agge: because you're acting like a brat. "gimme it now!" it HASN'T EVEN BEEN PACKAGED YET |
| 01:28.32 | zorton | VM: killing process cc1 |
| 01:28.32 | dondelelcaro | carrett: and please don't antagonize people... if they're disturbed, it only makes it worse... |
| 01:28.32 | zorton | __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) |
| 01:28.35 | zorton | hmmm :( |
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| 01:28.41 | zorton | bum memory? |
| 01:28.42 | BlackJudas[Ballz | Oh. Now that that's over. http://bootsplash.org seksi no? |
| 01:28.48 | BlackJudas[Ballz | :) |
| 01:28.50 | carrett | dondelelcaro: sorry sorry |
| 01:28.52 | dondelelcaro | BlackJudas[Ballz: check wnpp... |
| 01:28.55 | hennewou | are there filesystems faster than ext2/ext3 with the same features? |
| 01:28.55 | simonrvn | zorton: too many things using the mem you have |
| 01:28.58 | Infohawk | When I start firefox in unstable, I get a grey window and nothing else. What's going on? |
| 01:29.03 | dondelelcaro | BlackJudas[Ballz: if there isn't an ITP, or RFP there already, consider filing an RFP. |
| 01:29.05 | bbskill | I hava a problem in installing the crossoffice2.0.0,anyone can help me? |
| 01:29.13 | zorton | simonrvn: so probally not a bum memory? |
| 01:29.30 | dondelelcaro | bbskill: cross office is commercial ware, afaik... consider talking to their technical support? |
| 01:29.34 | simonrvn | zorton: no, bum mem would be SEGVs all over the place while building it |
| 01:29.35 | BlackJudas[Ballz | dondelelcaro: cool, will do, just wondering if it's been condsidered or not. I'd package it :) |
| 01:29.42 | zorton | simonrvn: kay |
| 01:29.44 | g4lt | okay, this is pissing me off, I come back to work to find I ahd a power outage and my machine seems now to think that 600x800 is acceptable resolution for a radeon :( |
| 01:29.47 | dondelelcaro | BlackJudas[Ballz: check pdo and wnpp on the bts. |
| 01:29.51 | dondelelcaro | g4lt: heh. |
| 01:29.58 | zorton | simonrvn: i'm unfamilar with that error so i'm trying to figure out what it's caused by |
| 01:30.04 | Infohawk | is laptop_mode experimental? |
| 01:30.11 | bbskill | OK,Thankyou! |
| 01:30.15 | simonrvn | zorton: the oom killer killed the process |
| 01:30.16 | BlackJudas[Ballz | g4lt: sux man give it a b*tch slap. |
| 01:30.28 | zorton | simonrvn: out of memory killer? |
| 01:30.32 | simonrvn | yes |
| 01:30.38 | zorton | simonrvn: so probally bum pointer somewhere in the program? |
| 01:30.51 | jimm | ok everytime I use kpackage it says "exec failed: no such file or directory" any idea's? |
| 01:30.55 | simonrvn | my first guess is out of mem. usually swap |
| 01:31.06 | carrett | jimm: is kpackage installed? |
| 01:31.07 | dondelelcaro | jimm: what ever it's trying to exec doesn't exist. |
| 01:31.25 | carrett | dondelelcaro: couldn't it also not be in his $PATH? |
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| 01:31.48 | zorton | simonrvn: I show 44 megs free |
| 01:31.58 | zorton | simonrvn: no swap used |
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| 01:32.07 | dondelelcaro | carrett: could be as well... |
| 01:32.10 | zorton | although that would explain alot, I don't think I created a swap partition |
| 01:32.13 | SuD | jimm: strace will tell you what file was it |
| 01:32.16 | zorton | doh! probally just out of memory |
| 01:32.34 | jimm | huhh what? strace? how the .. dammit |
| 01:32.34 | dondelelcaro | zorton: check dmesg... if you see OOM: killed foo; then you've triggered the OOM killer. |
| 01:32.56 | zorton | dondelelcaro: those messages are from dmesg |
| 01:33.01 | simonrvn | it said VM: but that's virtual memory AFAIK |
| 01:33.29 | carrett | what exactly is a kernel oops |
| 01:33.30 | dondelelcaro | zorton: yeah, that's the VM alocator in this case killing of processes. Make yourself a swap partition... |
| 01:33.43 | zorton | how embarissed |
| 01:33.51 | dondelelcaro | carrett: the kernel's equivalent of a SEGV? |
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| 01:34.08 | carrett | dondelelcaro: shit, i got some reading to do... |
| 01:34.38 | dondelelcaro | that's a bit imprecise, but I don't work with the kernel enough... there are a bunch of other things that can trigger a kernel oops as well... |
| 01:34.53 | BlackJudas[Ballz | hmm not on wnpp \o/ |
| 01:35.06 | carrett | dondelelcaro: how severe a problem is it if you get one? |
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| 01:35.14 | BlackJudas[Ballz | Think anyone would find it interesting? |
| 01:35.17 | dondelelcaro | BlackJudas[Ballz: ok, so either file an RFP or an ITP depending on what you're doing, using report bug. |
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| 01:35.36 | willtmo | I just changed the resolution of my xserver but now I get the message "pc display settings correct?" and the screen closes. I checked on google and someguy had the same problem and all he did was change his resolution down. My problem is that I can't logon to anything because the screen is disactivated. What do I do now ? |
| 01:35.43 | zorton | any programs out there that can resize a xfs partition without formatting? :) |
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| 01:35.44 | dondelelcaro | carrett: depends... sometimes it's just a simple kernel bug... sometimes it's indicative of hardware failure... |
| 01:35.46 | BlackJudas[Ballz | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 01:35.51 | dondelelcaro | BlackJudas[Ballz: np |
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| 01:36.05 | zorton | btw, thank you dondelelcaro and simonrvn |
| 01:36.15 | dondelelcaro | zorton: np |
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| 01:36.50 | nvz | willtmo: try rephrasing the question, becasue in the past 24 hours that particular arrangement of words has not gotten you any help |
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| 01:37.05 | willtmo | it more like 4 hours. |
| 01:37.08 | willtmo | but here goes... |
| 01:37.35 | willtmo | How do I boot without the xserver starting ? |
| 01:37.43 | nvz | willtmo: all I know is I seen that exact same question before. and I still dont understand it |
| 01:37.57 | nvz | willtmo: even IF the xserver starts, you can still login on a console |
| 01:38.07 | carrett | willtmo: well, the only reason it would start on its own is because of xdm/gdm |
| 01:38.07 | nvz | willtmo: CTRL+ALT+F1 |
| 01:38.19 | carrett | willtmo: so update-rc.d -f <xdm/gdm> remove |
| 01:38.25 | willtmo | When the Xserver starts the screen turns off. |
| 01:38.34 | nvz | carrett: or kdm, wdm, cdm.. etc |
| 01:38.34 | BlackJudas[Ballz | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=190560 |
| 01:38.41 | carrett | nvz: right... |
| 01:38.49 | BlackJudas[Ballz | ahh I see it has an ITP, but it's fairly old. Does it take some time to be accepted? |
| 01:39.03 | nvz | carrett: but its ok, they know you there, right? |
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| 01:39.16 | dondelelcaro | BlackJudas[Ballz: no, that probably means that whoever is|was working on it stopped, or got delayed. Email them and see what's going on. |
| 01:39.24 | carrett | nvz: well, yeah. :) |
| 01:39.34 | BlackJudas[Ballz | dondelelcaro: ok will do! Thx. |
| 01:40.00 | carrett | BlackJudas[Ballz: which package were you checking out (out of curiousity)? |
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| 01:42.09 | willtmo | I changed my resolution for something higher than what my screen can withstand. When I boot and the xserver starts I get a message "PC display settings correct?" and then the screen turns itself off. What ever I type or press doesn't turn the screen back on. My question is how do I boot into console mode without starting the xserver ? |
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| 01:42.30 | nvz | willtmo: we've answered that |
| 01:42.36 | BlackJudas[Ballz | carrett: bootsplash |
| 01:42.37 | jeff2 | willtmo, single user mode |
| 01:42.41 | BlackJudas[Ballz | from bootsplash.org |
| 01:42.45 | nvz | willtmo: CTRL+ALT+F1 gives you a console |
| 01:42.57 | willtmo | when lilo shows up ? |
| 01:43.11 | nvz | willtmo: no that goes to a console from whatever you boot up to |
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| 01:43.31 | nvz | willtmo: from lilo you can type "linux single" and goto single user mode |
| 01:43.50 | willtmo | I did that. that doesn't do anything else but say : "No such image" |
| 01:44.37 | nvz | willtmo: you are going to have to figure out what Display Manager or whatever you are running. |
| 01:44.45 | reubot | oi |
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| 01:45.06 | nvz | willtmo: XFree has no message "PC display settings correct?" thats some overly concerned 3rd party app |
| 01:45.11 | reubot | which woukd you people recconmmend for nvidia drivers? using debian packages or direct from nvidia web? |
| 01:45.24 | willtmo | It's xdm or BlackBox |
| 01:45.25 | nvz | willtmo: sounds like a kde thing to me |
| 01:45.28 | BlackJudas[Ballz | http://ruslug.rutgers.edu/~mcgrof/grub-images/images/ <-- cool bootsplash images |
| 01:45.29 | BlackJudas[Ballz | :o |
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| 01:46.29 | nvz | willtmo: must be XDM giving you that message? is it a graphical dialog? |
| 01:46.50 | willtmo | yes in letters that are 0.5 inch big |
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| 01:47.24 | nvz | willtmo: you should be able to from there press CTRL+ALT+F1, and login and stop or remove xdm |
| 01:47.41 | willtmo | Ok. I will try that. thank you. |
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| 01:48.01 | nvz | willtmo: if you can start X manually using startx and run blackbox, then all is well |
| 01:48.14 | nvz | willtmo: you need someone who can help you with XDM, I for one know nothing about it |
| 01:48.47 | willtmo | Ok. I will try what you said. |
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| 01:50.41 | |ALLANON| | ciao |
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| 01:52.22 | rich_ | Hi |
| 01:52.59 | BlackJudas[Ballz | Ok, what board would any of you recommend using dual athlon mp's? without apic / acpi errors ;) |
| 01:53.12 | BlackJudas[Ballz | even though the amd chipset admittedly sucks. :/ |
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| 01:57.57 | thomas_adam | *yawwn* |
| 01:58.10 | BlackJudas[Ballz | :/ |
| 01:58.16 | BlackJudas[Ballz | \o/ |
| 01:58.20 | thomas_adam | !be bob2 barbie |
| 01:58.20 | dpkg | Going to sleep is HARD! |
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| 01:59.29 | thomas_adam | slow here. |
| 01:59.40 | Vinland | on a debian installation disk, where can you find a kernel? |
| 01:59.41 | Vinland | I need one bad |
| 01:59.49 | thomas_adam | there isn't. |
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| 01:59.59 | thomas_adam | Which installation CD? |
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| 02:00.17 | Vinland | woody |
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| 02:04.38 | ebene | can I use debian netinstall with a usb network card?? |
| 02:04.54 | JoshTriplett | ebene: Ask on #debian-boot |
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| 02:05.06 | cafuego | if you use a kernel which supports that usb network card, yes. |
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| 02:05.19 | Lopuz | how do i install glibc? |
| 02:05.29 | ebene | k, ty |
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| 02:05.34 | faw | Lopuz, ups! |
| 02:05.40 | JoshTriplett | Lopuz: You almost certainly already have it installed. |
| 02:05.45 | faw | Lopuz, what do you mean? It is not installed??? |
| 02:05.50 | Lopuz | well |
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| 02:06.10 | Lopuz | i miss some libc.so's |
| 02:06.15 | Lopuz | and stuff like that |
| 02:06.17 | thomas_adam | Lopuz: ha |
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| 02:06.22 | cafuego | Lopuz: if you mean "how do i install libc6 2.3.2 on woody", the answer is "not". |
| 02:06.27 | thomas_adam | Lopuz: It's part of the BASE install. |
| 02:06.28 | Lopuz | i did a woody boot |
| 02:06.37 | thomas_adam | Lopuz: No you didn't. |
| 02:06.48 | jivera | Woo, Debian's working smoothly on my laptop finally. |
| 02:06.49 | Lopuz | a 30mb cd |
| 02:06.52 | xam | Lopuz: you are obviously running Linux on your machine right now, so it's installed already |
| 02:06.53 | thomas_adam | Ironically, that's cobblers. |
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| 02:07.06 | JoshTriplett | jivera: Cool. What laptop? |
| 02:07.09 | Lopuz | but why do i get the error message??? |
| 02:07.16 | jivera | JoshTriplett: HP ze4430us. |
| 02:07.21 | thomas_adam | Lopuz: If you told us the error, it would help. |
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| 02:07.56 | Lopuz | rpm -U fglrx-4.1.0-3.9.0.i386.rpm |
| 02:07.56 | Lopuz | error: failed dependencies: |
| 02:07.56 | Lopuz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.57 | thomas_adam | Lopuz: Although I suspect what you're really after is to 'install build-essential' |
| 02:08.04 | thomas_adam | WTF? |
| 02:08.04 | JoshTriplett | Lopuz: Ah. |
| 02:08.09 | thomas_adam | Lopuz: Fool. |
| 02:08.16 | Lopuz | i know |
| 02:08.16 | thomas_adam | !not debian |
| 02:08.17 | dpkg | Knoppix isn't, Libranet isn't, Morphix isn't, lnx-bbc isn't, *your* installation you have right now ISN'T.... see if there is a channel available relevant to your distribution, if not, tough. Your questions do not belong here. |
| 02:08.18 | Lopuz | :) |
| 02:08.20 | thomas_adam | Lopuz: ^^^ |
| 02:08.20 | cafuego | Lopuz: This isn't #redhat. |
| 02:08.29 | thomas_adam | Lopuz: In other words: foff. |
| 02:08.44 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: Actually, I think the unofficial fglrx debs are based on extracting the RPM. |
| 02:08.46 | Ether_Sakura | Anyone know of any apt source that has libexif9? not 10 cz the package 'kamera' needs exactly 9 for some reason.. or is there some way to force it to use 10 instead of 9? |
| 02:08.46 | cafuego | Lopuz: So either you go there and ask for help with rpm or you use adebian software. |
| 02:08.49 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: I suspect that's the problem. |
| 02:09.07 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: So use alien. |
| 02:09.10 | xam | thomas_adam: he want's to install the ATI radeon drivers ... they only come in .rpm format |
| 02:09.12 | JoshTriplett | Lopuz: Are you using the fglrx unofficial packages? |
| 02:09.20 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: Better yet, don't use fglrx. |
| 02:09.23 | Lopuz | Dunno |
| 02:09.32 | thomas_adam | Lopuz: can you remember your name? |
| 02:09.35 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: I was just pointing out that Lopuz may well be using Debian. |
| 02:09.38 | Lopuz | yes |
| 02:09.42 | Lopuz | well |
| 02:09.53 | JoshTriplett | Lopuz: What number of Radeon do you have? |
| 02:09.54 | thomas_adam | Lopuz: Answer the nice, kind man |
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| 02:09.58 | Lopuz | i didnt see that i had any choises when i chose the file |
| 02:10.06 | Lopuz | i went to radeons webpages |
| 02:10.06 | cafuego | JoshTriplett: thomas_adam was pointing out that running 'rpm -U' on Debian is not a smart thing to do. |
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| 02:10.17 | xam | Lopuz: well, the thing is, you are running Debian and you want to install a package made for RedHat ... this won't work (without tweaks) |
| 02:10.20 | JoshTriplett | cafuego: Agreed, and I said the same thing. |
| 02:10.24 | Lopuz | ok |
| 02:10.25 | Lopuz | i c |
| 02:10.36 | JoshTriplett | Lopuz: What number of Radeon do you have? |
| 02:10.42 | Lopuz | 9500 |
| 02:10.44 | xam | Lopuz: you can get unofficial ATI radeon drivers for debian however |
| 02:10.45 | cafuego | Lopuz: 'alien fglrx-4.1.0-3.9.0.i386.deb' |
| 02:10.52 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: :) |
| 02:10.55 | Lopuz | ok |
| 02:10.56 | thomas_adam | cafuego: fakeroot alien ./foo |
| 02:10.57 | Lopuz | thanks |
| 02:10.59 | Thadeum_ | Hi ! Could someone explain me how to use the st_value field in a symbolic entry of an ELF object ? |
| 02:11.06 | JoshTriplett | Lopuz: Do you need 3D, or is 2D support acceptable? |
| 02:11.11 | Lopuz | well |
| 02:11.13 | Thadeum_ | in order to find the virtual address of a function code |
| 02:11.14 | thomas_adam | Thadeum_: strings ./file | grep foo |
| 02:11.18 | cafuego | Lopuz: However, if you update from woody to sarge, the X should support your card out of the box. |
| 02:11.23 | Lopuz | now i just want X to work |
| 02:11.25 | JoshTriplett | Lopuz: Keeping in mind that the fglrx drivers are the definition of instability. |
| 02:11.33 | JoshTriplett | Lopuz: Ok. |
| 02:11.34 | Lopuz | but in the future i want 3d |
| 02:11.40 | Thadeum_ | thomas_adam .... |
| 02:11.41 | xam | cafuego: tried that just this monday ... kernel module wouldn't build for a 2.6 kernel, but the userspace drivers installed fine |
| 02:11.45 | thomas_adam | Lopuz: Buy a proper card. |
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| 02:12.03 | thomas_adam | Thadeum_: what? |
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| 02:12.16 | JoshTriplett | Lopuz: Well, for now, just install XFree86 4.3, either from backports.org or by upgrading to Sarge. |
| 02:12.22 | JoshTriplett | Lopuz: Also get a newer kernel. |
| 02:12.25 | Lopuz | ok |
| 02:12.28 | AdmiralNemo | Anyone know about transparent proxies in 2.4? |
| 02:12.32 | thomas_adam | Thadeum_: if that isn;t it, use 'strace -e <thing> -o ./foo <program>' |
| 02:12.36 | Lopuz | can i apt-get a new kernel? |
| 02:12.39 | JoshTriplett | Lopuz: Oops, disregard the kernel; that's for 3D. |
| 02:12.41 | xam | cafuego: didn't try with 2.4 kernel 'though. I never used the official ATI radeon drivers. Does the 'alien' approach usually work/ |
| 02:12.42 | thomas_adam | Lopuz: No, it's illegal. |
| 02:12.43 | xerophyte | i have install Vncserver on the remote server it start with stupid twm window manager how can switch to sawfish and gnome, i mean i put exec gnome-senssion in the xtartup for the vnc its till not startying the gnome |
| 02:12.48 | JoshTriplett | Lopuz: Which won't work without a 9200 or older. |
| 02:12.57 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: TWM is NOT stupid, |
| 02:12.58 | Thadeum_ | I'm resolving symbols on runtime process |
| 02:13.08 | Lopuz | how do i upgrade to sarge? |
| 02:13.08 | thomas_adam | !tell xerophyte about xsession |
| 02:13.15 | thomas_adam | Lopuz: Please don't. |
| 02:13.15 | AdmiralNemo | I read it isn't implemented anymore |
| 02:13.17 | mwilson | Why would anyone want to do something so silly as to run Gnome over a vnc session? |
| 02:13.28 | AdmiralNemo | is that okay, is it fine if i patch the kernel? |
| 02:13.37 | dan2 | xerophyte: vnc doesn't read xsession files |
| 02:13.44 | cafuego | mwilson: testing gigabit nic performance? ;-) |
| 02:13.52 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: The file you want is ~/.vnc/.xsession IIRC |
| 02:14.01 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: The principles apply. |
| 02:14.05 | rich_ | By the time they need vnc they are supposed to have grown out of gnome? haha I guess that makes sence :) |
| 02:14.09 | dan2 | thomas_adam: I have vnc wired to kdm here |
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| 02:14.18 | thomas_adam | dan2: You need your head testing. |
| 02:14.27 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 02:14.29 | xam | dan2: masochist? |
| 02:14.34 | jivera | Oh, I downloaded the Sarge jigdo CDs and I noticed the first one mentions it's (something like) "disc 1 of 9", but there are 13 jigdo cds -- any explanation? |
| 02:14.37 | dan2 | :P |
| 02:14.41 | dan2 | !dict masochist |
| 02:14.43 | dpkg | Dictionary 'masochist' someone who obtains pleasure from receiving punishment |
| 02:14.47 | thomas_adam | jivera: You failed to RTFD, I see. |
| 02:14.59 | dan2 | not really |
| 02:15.07 | thomas_adam | KD{M,E} is punishment. :) |
| 02:15.07 | jivera | thomas_adam: Possibly, I was only casually looking at it. |
| 02:15.13 | xerophyte | thomas_adam, it has script called xstartup if put gnome-session in there it didnt start |
| 02:15.25 | dan2 | xam: I am more of the type of person to find pleasure annoying and flaming other people |
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| 02:15.27 | thomas_adam | !listkeys vnc |
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| 02:15.28 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'vnc' by key (7 shown): svncviewer ;; vnc-server ;; tightvnc ;; x-not-vnc ;; vnc xdm ;; vnc ;; x not vnc. |
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| 02:15.39 | dan2 | !x-not-vnc |
| 02:15.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, x not vnc is instead of running a vnc server on Linux, run an X server on windows (MicroImages has a free (beer) one ftp://ftp.microimages.com/pub/mix/mix_faq.txt) and use ssh X11 forwarding (ask me about sshx to learn how) |
| 02:15.47 | xam | !dict sadist |
| 02:15.49 | dpkg | Dictionary 'sadist' someone who obtains pleasure from inflicting pain or others |
| 02:15.55 | shekhjha | i am getting the following eth0: card reports no resources. |
| 02:15.55 | shekhjha | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.02 | dan2 | xam: woohoo! |
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| 02:17.18 | thomas_adam | xerophyte: It's something like ~/.vnc/.xserver , but you'll have to read the docs. I don't use vnc so do not know the specifics. |
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| 02:17.42 | Napoleon | my usb not working on kernel 2.6.7 anyone ? |
| 02:17.47 | Napoleon | my usb mouse not working on kernel 2.6.7 anyone ? |
| 02:17.50 | thomas_adam | !comfort Napoleon |
| 02:17.52 | dpkg | There, there, Napoleon. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:18.04 | thomas_adam | Napoleon: One question ata time. |
| 02:18.16 | thomas_adam | Napoleon: You ask - we answer, help you. |
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| 02:18.18 | Napoleon | [05:13] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, Napoleon |
| 02:18.21 | thomas_adam | Napoleon: 2.4 good, 2.6 bad |
| 02:18.36 | thomas_adam | Napoleon: problems we not fix, you go to 2.4 |
| 02:18.42 | thomas_adam | Napoleon: and stay there. |
| 02:18.42 | xam | thomas_adam: 2.4 good, 2.6 better |
| 02:18.59 | Napoleon | when i startx i got a msg "Soundserver - The kde crash handler" |
| 02:19.06 | Napoleon | sound is not working |
| 02:19.12 | g4lt | xam >2.6.7 holed ;P |
| 02:19.15 | xam | thomas_adam: it depends on the person (and their needs) |
| 02:19.16 | thomas_adam | Napoleon: How are you even on IRC, ffs? |
| 02:19.20 | Napoleon | lol |
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| 02:19.25 | thomas_adam | xam: Shush. |
| 02:19.28 | jivera | thomas_adam: Is "programs" part in "this CD is number 1 of 9 CDs containing programs ("binaries") for `i386' computers" the part that matters? |
| 02:19.32 | Napoleon | relax |
| 02:20.00 | thomas_adam | Napoleon: Have you even loaded the correct modules |
| 02:20.05 | xam | g4lt: running 2.6.8-rc2 right now, no problems on my machine ... but of course it's just my machine. In what way is it 'holed' ? |
| 02:20.06 | thomas_adam | Napoleon: _What_ have you tried to do? |
| 02:20.14 | rich_ | Well Id recomend 2.6.7 but only if you know how to compile your own kernel and configure it the way you need it. My only problem right now with 2.6.7 is that xvidix locks up in full screen mode and I have no reason to believe thats kernel related |
| 02:20.33 | thomas_adam | OH NO! |
| 02:20.35 | thomas_adam | QUICK |
| 02:20.49 | thomas_adam | 2.6.7 is wayyyyy higher than 2.4 -- I best "upgrade". |
| 02:21.02 | thomas_adam | Losers. And then you wonders why fuck all works? |
| 02:21.11 | thomas_adam | 2.6.X, if you _read_ is total shite. |
| 02:21.21 | thomas_adam | !worked in 2.4 |
| 02:21.22 | dpkg | Every time you say "___ doesn't work in 2.6, but it worked in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to greycat. |
| 02:21.29 | xam | thomas_adam: 2.6.X, if you _tried_ is actually very stable |
| 02:21.39 | rich_ | !worked in 2.6 |
| 02:21.40 | faw | AdmiralNemo, did you solve the problem about transparent proxy? |
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| 02:21.47 | medgno | thomas_adam: and is much faster |
| 02:21.52 | thomas_adam | "faster"> |
| 02:21.59 | thomas_adam | You want #gentoo, mate. |
| 02:22.06 | medgno | no. |
| 02:22.11 | thomas_adam | It's all in your head. |
| 02:22.16 | medgno | no it's not. |
| 02:22.21 | medgno | have you seen the time tests? |
| 02:22.33 | thomas_adam | medgno: Lies, damn lies and more bullshit. |
| 02:22.39 | jivera | thomas_adam: README.html on disc10 says "this CD is number 10 of 9 CDs containing program" |
| 02:22.42 | medgno | i've done a few, very poor quality, of my own, and it is much better. |
| 02:22.50 | thomas_adam | jivera: Yes, and? |
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| 02:23.01 | jivera | thomas_adam: Isn't "10 of 9" kinda... wrong? |
| 02:23.08 | g4lt | xam the local root exploit |
| 02:23.12 | xam | thomas_adam: USB and ACPI was/is borked on 2.4 (lock-ups on several of my machines). With 2.6 I didn't have a problem ... |
| 02:23.12 | thomas_adam | jivera: Maybe. |
| 02:23.22 | thomas_adam | xam: Yet. |
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| 02:23.30 | jivera | thomas_adam: I'm just trying to figure out if this is actually something wrong and if so who I should report it to. |
| 02:23.57 | rich_ | !works in 2.6 |
| 02:23.57 | dpkg | i heard works in 2.6 is Every time you say "___ works in 2.6, but not in 2.4", a 25 cent (USD) surcharge must be paid to rich_ |
| 02:24.10 | thomas_adam | dpkg, forget worked in 2.6 |
| 02:24.11 | dpkg | thomas_adam: i didn't have anything called 'worked in 2.6' |
| 02:24.14 | rich_ | Oh yes, times change :) |
| 02:24.17 | thomas_adam | dpkg, forget works in 2.6 |
| 02:24.18 | dpkg | i forgot works in 2.6, thomas_adam |
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| 02:24.31 | Napoleon | i want a good distro for my pc so |
| 02:24.32 | Napoleon | vote: gentoo or debian ? |
| 02:24.39 | thomas_adam | Napoleon: tomsrtbt |
| 02:24.46 | chalco | lol |
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| 02:24.54 | Napoleon | :P |
| 02:24.54 | thomas_adam | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.55 | shekhjha | my screen is flooded with an error message |
| 02:24.58 | shekhjha | how can i stop it? |
| 02:25.01 | thomas_adam | shekhjha: reboot |
| 02:25.02 | xam | g4lt: where can I read on that? I thought there was an exploit in 2.6.6, but it was fixed in 2.6.7 |
| 02:25.13 | thomas_adam | xam: "You thought". Ah. |
| 02:25.21 | shekhjha | thomas_adam : the error mesage appears when i boot |
| 02:25.26 | thomas_adam | shekhjha: what is it? |
| 02:25.39 | xam | thomas_adam: at least more than you do it seems |
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| 02:25.46 | shekhjha | thomas_adam : etho: eth0: card reports no RX buffers |
| 02:25.47 | jivera | So is there someone I should tell about "this CD is number 10 of 9"? |
| 02:25.51 | shekhjha | thomas_adam : eth0: card reports no RX buffers |
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| 02:26.07 | pole_ | can anyone recommend an emulator to run winxp in? |
| 02:26.17 | IbiZa | Hi Guys, Im trying to read the emails from GKrellM, I mean how can I read it, I just can see the count number of new emails.. Some help ;) |
| 02:26.30 | xam | jivera: is it just a visual glitch, or does is it a severe bug? |
| 02:26.31 | medgno | pole_: there goes my suggestion :-/ |
| 02:26.52 | MobyTurbo | pole_: WINE will run some Windows programs, but Wine Is Not an Emulator. |
| 02:26.59 | mwilson | Gods, O'Gara has like zero brain. |
| 02:27.15 | jivera | xam: It's nothing severe, just a README file that says the wrong number of CDs (presumably). |
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| 02:27.44 | MobyTurbo | pole_: vmware I hear is about the best of real Windows emulators. Of course, if you want DOS, dosemu and dosbox are both free and work well. |
| 02:27.47 | jivera | (Presumably because I don't know how many Sarge CDs there will be when it's actually ready to be released.) |
| 02:27.55 | IbiZa | I know that I need an email client to read it, but which one do I need to run from GKrellM? |
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| 02:28.04 | jivera | But right now, there are 13 jigdo CDs and the documentation implies there are 9. |
| 02:28.17 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: When did VMWare become a Windows emulator? Were you going to let the actual producers of the software know? |
| 02:28.38 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: vmware is an emulator of anything. |
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| 02:29.22 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: actually, technically, vmware is a PC hardware emulator. |
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| 02:29.27 | mwilson | MobyTurbo: I'm just quoting you. |
| 02:29.53 | xam | jivera: well, since the number of CDs that are created by jidgo is dynamic (it grows because more and more packages are made available/accessible in the debian pool), the README is merely an approximation ... |
| 02:29.56 | MobyTurbo | mwilson: well, thank you for your correction. |
| 02:30.11 | jivera | xam: Yeah, that's what I more or less expected. |
| 02:30.17 | MobyTurbo | jivera: you don't need all the CDs to install Debian. |
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| 02:30.27 | mwilson | xam: How is the number of CD's dynamic? |
| 02:30.35 | MobyTurbo | jivera: just the first, and apt-get the rest from the internet. |
| 02:30.40 | xam | jivera: eventually they will 'fix' the README ... |
| 02:30.42 | jivera | MobyTurbo: I know, but my network connection at home's been down the last couple of days so I just downloaded the first 10 at work for "fun". |
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| 02:31.04 | mwilson | xam: A .jigdo file builds a particular set of CD's from a particular list of packages. It in no way uses the real-time contents of an archive. |
| 02:31.08 | Anthro | How do I convert an mbox into a maildir? I know I can use mutt, but I'd prefer a commandline (read: scriptable) solution. |
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| 02:31.32 | mwilson | xam: If you're doing a Sarge .jigdo, and the file isn't there, it FAILS. |
| 02:31.43 | mwilson | xam: It doesn't just go get the later version. |
| 02:31.48 | xam | mwilson: e.g. if you are using 'testing', more and more packages are being made available in testing ... eventually you will need another CD to burn a full debian 'testing' distribution with jidgo |
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| 02:31.51 | tony_wt | IbiZa: Just right click the mail button for a config dialog. It will use about any one you want I think. |
| 02:32.09 | mwilson | xam: Not for a particular .jigdo file, you won't. |
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| 02:32.29 | jivera | xam: I think his point is that while the packages in testing are updated dynamically, the .jigdo templates are statically made and could be updated appropriately whenever they're remade. |
| 02:32.32 | Anthro | Grr. Having client issues. Sorry. |
| 02:32.37 | mwilson | xam: If I have a .jigdo file that works NOW for Sarge, and I wait a month, it won't work any more. |
| 02:33.07 | xam | mwilson: no, not for a particular one. However the REAMDE doesn't seem to be specific for each jidgo when it comes to specify the amount to CDs being needed |
| 02:33.53 | mwilson | xam: Why would it be? It depends on who created the image and what they put in it. There's only one official Sarge jigdo... there's at least two others that I know of that're unofficial and are different. |
| 02:33.56 | loneTraveller | I am trying to install my Nvidia drivers for my Geforce2. I have downloaded the nvidia package for linux a32 then went in console mode to start it. Then I get a few errors like : runlevel did not work, that I'm missing the "binutils" package and that the "Id" variable is not in my path. I'm installed binutils through wajid but it still doesn't work. Any suggestions are welcome. |
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| 02:34.16 | jivera | Oh btw, the new debian-installer's pretty nice. |
| 02:34.16 | mwilson | wtf is "wajid"? |
| 02:34.25 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: wajig, presumably. |
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| 02:34.33 | Anthro | Anyone? mbox to maildir? |
| 02:34.36 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Yet Another APT Frontend. |
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| 02:34.37 | mwilson | Ok, wtf is "wajig"? |
| 02:34.42 | xam | mwilson: I mean the README jivera is referring to was probably once created to a early snapshot of Sarge, when it only used 9 CDs. Now it obviously needs 13 CDs ... |
| 02:34.54 | mwilson | Sarge doesn't. Sid does. |
| 02:35.04 | JoshTriplett | loneTraveller: Suggestion: use the "nv" driver. |
| 02:35.36 | mwilson | Not that it's worthwhile to talk about how many CD's Sid needs... anyone making CD's of Sid is an idiot. |
| 02:35.43 | JoshTriplett | loneTraveller: If you need support for newer hardware than woody's XFree86 supports, either install X 4.3 from backports.org, or upgrade to sarge. |
| 02:35.50 | loneTraveller | JoshTriplett: Does it use the OpenGL stuff ? |
| 02:35.55 | JoshTriplett | loneTraveller: The former would be a better idea. |
| 02:35.57 | JoshTriplett | loneTraveller: No. |
| 02:36.01 | JoshTriplett | loneTraveller: 2D support only. |
| 02:36.05 | xam | mwilson okay, he was referring to sid then. doesn't really matter |
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| 02:36.32 | xam | mwilson: no need to tell me ;) |
| 02:36.58 | JoshTriplett | loneTraveller: On the other hand, it isn't crash-prone, and won't screw up your system. |
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| 02:38.15 | chalco | JoshTriplett, funny, I don't get crashes with the nvidia drivers |
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| 02:38.32 | JoshTriplett | chalco: Then you are lucky, and from what I understand, in the minority. |
| 02:38.36 | xam | "*** Signoff: ps (Excess Flood)" ... would have been funnier if his nick was 'yes' |
| 02:38.53 | alindeman | Or Titanic ;) |
| 02:39.15 | thomas_adam | mwilson: wajid isn't bad. |
| 02:40.05 | AppleServer | alindeman: that's been done before though |
| 02:40.14 | loneTraveller | How would I find out my version of X ? |
| 02:40.21 | alindeman | AppleServer: I know :) |
| 02:40.22 | JoshTriplett | loneTraveller: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 |
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| 02:41.40 | xam | thomas_adam,g4lt: is that exploit you were referring to the 'remote exploit' mentioned in the topic? |
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| 02:41.58 | jivera | I don't know if this is the expected behavior or not (it wasn't for me at least), but when I told base-config not to setup exim4, it still tried to run at boot and complains about the configuration file being bad. |
| 02:42.09 | Lopuz | How do i change how the dpkg-reconfigure should be configed.. in dialogs |
| 02:42.51 | deadcat | Lopuz: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 02:43.01 | loneTraveller | Dumb question but I'm new...If I have version 4.1 and try an apt-get -u upgrade and it tells me that nothing new is available does it mean I have a stable version ? |
| 02:43.20 | deadcat | loneTraveller: version 4.1 of what? |
| 02:43.27 | jivera | loneTraveller: It means that there's nothing to upgrade with the apt sources you've specified. |
| 02:43.56 | loneTraveller | xserver-xfree86 4.1.0-16woody3 |
| 02:44.04 | Lopuz | thanks |
| 02:44.05 | ps | xam, ? |
| 02:44.24 | deadcat | loneTraveller: try apt-get.org or backport.org |
| 02:44.24 | xam | ps: ! |
| 02:44.34 | loneTraveller | Can I upgrade from stable to unstable ? |
| 02:44.41 | deadcat | loneTraveller: ya. |
| 02:44.47 | deadcat | !tell loneTraveller about stable->unstable |
| 02:45.00 | jivera | Eh, where can I find the sources.list lines for sarge? (I installed off CDs so they didn't set them up automatically.) |
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| 02:45.05 | deadcat | loneTraveller: if you affraid. you might want stable->testing |
| 02:45.15 | The_Vulture | loneTraveller: as usual, if you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be |
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| 02:45.27 | Guerin | jivera: apt-setup |
| 02:45.27 | deadcat | jivera: vi /etc/apt/sources.list and change all stable to testing |
| 02:45.43 | jivera | deadcat: No, there are no online links in my sources.list -- I only have cdrom references. |
| 02:45.49 | jivera | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 02:46.05 | deadcat | jivera: oh.. put the cds in. apt-cdrom |
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| 02:46.27 | jivera | deadcat: I already have the cdroms registered, I wanted to register the online sources. |
| 02:46.39 | deadcat | jivera: oh. apt-setup |
| 02:46.45 | The_Vulture | what deadcat said |
| 02:46.57 | jivera | deadcat: Yeah, got it. Thanks though. :-) |
| 02:47.02 | deadcat | (= |
| 02:47.09 | gonzo | I am looking at the very first line of ck patch and it says "Index: linux-2.6.7-ck/arch/i386/Kconfig". looks like a file name but it does not exist... but linux-2.6.7/arch/i386/Kconfig does. what do i do? |
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| 02:48.07 | xam | gonzo: man patch. Use 'cd linux-2.6.7; cat <patchfile> | patch -p1' |
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| 02:48.59 | xam | gonzo: you might need to use 'zcat' or 'bzcat' instead of 'cat' though ... |
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| 02:51.50 | BlackJudas | Hola from home! *waves* |
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| 02:53.25 | mwilson | apt, GTKFileChooser icons is See http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2004-May/msg00010.html on how to enable the missing icons if you're not using Gnome. |
| 02:53.26 | apt | okay, mwilson |
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| 02:54.23 | deadcat | mwilson: nice xterm color.. (= too bad aterm doesnt support aa? |
| 02:54.26 | mwilson | I need a better name for that factoid. |
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| 02:54.33 | SharkY | see ya :-P |
| 02:54.42 | mwilson | deadcat: It doesn't. Why would it need to? Why not just use xterm? |
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| 02:55.01 | deadcat | mwilson: shade/fade/transparent |
| 02:55.06 | gonzo | mwilson : to get cool transparancies |
| 02:55.19 | mwilson | gonzo: You mean to make things unusable. |
| 02:55.46 | xam | deadcat: do you want a toy or a terminal client? |
| 02:56.00 | gonzo | s/cool/cool <insert emoticon for sarcasm>/ |
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| 02:56.13 | deadcat | xam: a terminal that is a toy. (= |
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| 02:56.26 | mwilson | apt, GTKFileChooser is See http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2004-May/msg00010.html on how to enable the missing icons if you're not using Gnome. |
| 02:56.28 | apt | mwilson: okay |
| 02:56.48 | xam | deadcat: I suppose you also play AA-quake in your aterm ... |
| 02:57.03 | deadcat | xam: whats that? |
| 02:57.16 | gonzo | apt, Manhattan is only city without Main Street. |
| 02:57.17 | apt | gonzo: okay |
| 02:57.45 | xam | deadcat: you *really* don't want to know ... ;-P (google it if you must know) |
| 02:58.02 | deadcat | xam: nah. thats cool. hehehe. |
| 02:58.52 | xam | deadcat: the funny thing is, it's actually playable |
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| 02:59.22 | mwilson | Quake is a snooze, but AA-quake might be a funny-once kind of thing. |
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| 02:59.51 | thomas_adam | watching TV via AA-lib is quite amusing |
| 03:00.02 | gonzo | apt AA |
| 03:00.05 | apt | test |
| 03:01.06 | xam | thomas_adam: especially the version with colour-AA |
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| 03:02.26 | Guerin | thomas_adam: did you figure out how to get rid of the # in my irssi logs? |
| 03:02.51 | Guerin | the people in #irssi don't seem to know |
| 03:02.58 | thomas_adam | Guerin: yes. |
| 03:03.05 | Guerin | thomas_adam: huzzah! |
| 03:03.16 | thomas_adam | Guerin: It's not pretty. |
| 03:03.34 | DebianTUX | i compiled my kernel with framebuffer suport, but the screen is black in the console... kernel 2.6.6... what should i do? |
| 03:03.45 | thomas_adam | Guerin: you rename your current logs to something sane, and just symlink with a '#' to them. :) |
| 03:04.10 | Guerin | thomas_adam: yeah, that will work |
| 03:04.33 | Guerin | thomas_adam: it's better than giving out urls with %23 in them |
| 03:04.34 | thomas_adam | Guerin: It _ought_ to, aye. |
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| 03:06.55 | thomas_adam | !test |
| 03:06.55 | dpkg | No, thomas_adam, you're not online any more. |
| 03:07.15 | dan2 | how much does it cost to buy a multi port isdn |
| 03:07.18 | dan2 | card |
| 03:07.50 | xam | dan2: how many ports? |
| 03:08.00 | dan2 | xam: 4 would be good |
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| 03:08.51 | dan2 | xam: it depends if I put a pcmcia reader into the box, then I can just throw in 4 isdn pcmcia cards which are like < 20 on ebay |
| 03:09.23 | dan2 | xam: erm 99cents even :) |
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| 03:09.53 | xam | dan2: professional Active PCI 4-channel are starting at USD 1000? |
| 03:10.07 | dan2 | xam: ok :) |
| 03:10.31 | dan2 | xam: 8 port for 199 on ebay :) |
| 03:10.32 | xam | dan2: a cheap, but good ISDN card supports 2 channels anyway, so you only need 2 of those cheap ones |
| 03:10.51 | dan2 | xam: hmm, 8 port I could throw in fxo and fxs |
| 03:11.58 | xam | dan2: what does your provider charge for each channel? does he charge more for extra channels? |
| 03:12.03 | thomas_adam | Guerin: keep me apraised, I'm going to lie down before I collapse.... |
| 03:12.22 | dan2 | xam: not the case, isdn cards make great voip telephony cards |
| 03:12.48 | xam | dan2: I was working for a small ISP many years ago, they had (all in all) 32 channels |
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| 03:13.06 | xam | dan2: ahh, I see |
| 03:13.19 | dan2 | xam: 8 ports would be fucking nice |
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| 03:13.41 | dan2 | xam: hmm, I wonder if I can get these in pci |
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| 03:16.21 | dan2 | xam: the motherboard is custom made anyhow, I am sure I could just integrate pcmcia on board |
| 03:16.24 | jacks446 | i just upgraded my kernel from 2.2, and before the upgrade i was able to connect to the internet fine. however after the upgrade, it seems as if my ethernet card is not detected. i 'thought' i installed it when i did the 'make xconfig' command earlier but it is not. when i type in modconf i dont see it listed. what do i need to do? |
| 03:17.15 | maher | dan2: try modprobe nameofdriver |
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| 03:17.41 | dan2 | maher: wtf are you talking about? |
| 03:17.54 | maher | dan2: oops i meant jacks446 |
| 03:18.04 | maher | jacks446: : try modprobe nameofdriver |
| 03:18.53 | xam | dan2: what about one USB interface and many usb-isdn adapters? |
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| 03:19.14 | jacks446 | when i type in modprobe <something> it says: command not found |
| 03:19.23 | maher | jacks446: be root |
| 03:19.24 | xam | jivera: cardbus (PCMCIA) |
| 03:19.37 | jivera | xam: Ah. |
| 03:20.16 | dan2 | xam: how well is linux support? |
| 03:20.42 | xam | dan2: for pci_hotplug or for cardbus in general? |
| 03:21.28 | xam | dan2: cardbus is quite good (using it right now with wireless network card) |
| 03:21.45 | dan2 | xam: probably cardbus when I integrate |
| 03:22.21 | xam | dan2: even supported on many different architectures ... |
| 03:23.44 | xam | dan2: shouldn't cause any trouble ... but I doubt you'll find a cardbus card that supports 8 idsn channels :-/ |
| 03:24.30 | dan2 | xam: these CAPI cards look like they have great docs |
| 03:24.37 | dan2 | xam: doesn't matter, throw in 8 cards then |
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| 03:26.02 | xam | dan2: 8 pcmcia cards? usually cardbus chipsets are limited to two PCI interfaces, so you'll need a board with 4 cardbus chipsets ... |
| 03:26.09 | Guerin | ok, anything special I have to do to build a deb from debian source, with an additional patch? I'm reading the nm guide, and it doesn't seem to talk much about patching, so I presume I just run patch -p1 as normal... |
| 03:26.36 | xam | Guerin: usually it works fine that way |
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| 03:27.15 | dan2 | xam: it can be found, if not created |
| 03:27.27 | dan2 | xam: the whole thing is custom already, why not make it more custom :) |
| 03:27.36 | dan2 | xam: http://www.isdn4linux.de/faq/i4lfaq-5.html#hardware |
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| 03:27.46 | dan2 | xam: can I find any of those cards dirt cheap retail? |
| 03:27.47 | xam | dan2: correct. But anyway, the USB approach could be easier/cheaper |
| 03:27.56 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 03:27.57 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> READ THE FAQ: /msg dpkg faq | READ THE BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian != Knoppix | Spambots? /msg dpkg nospambot | SECURITY: PHP4 in woody [DSA 531-1] | BORKED: Linux: Remote DOS (http://tinyurl.com/2s9zm), Local DOS (/msg dpkg linux dos attack), Apache + PHP (/msg dpkg bustedphp4) | FIXED: libmyspell3 (#259456), nautilus mime (#258567) |
| 03:27.58 | Yomama | Hi, I aint getting the mouse to work with X. /dev/psaux works fine in gpm, but not in X. I have a PS/2 mouse |
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| 03:28.05 | Guerin | xam: good show. What file/dir should I be patching in? debian/patches? |
| 03:28.14 | miles800 | Is there a package that has a util to extract files from bin/cue? |
| 03:28.20 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: topicdiff? |
| 03:28.49 | dondelelcaro | diff: +PHP4 Security bug (DSA 531-1), libmyspell3 is fixed (#259456), natilus mime is fixed (#258567); Delete Mozilla PS and parted+windows. |
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| 03:29.14 | dan2 | xam: and Linux has USB ISDN support? |
| 03:29.16 | xam | Guerin: what is your patch for? Usually you patch in the top-most directory of the source-code |
| 03:29.38 | dan2 | xam: here could you help me find some ISDN cards usb or whatever for less than 100 |
| 03:29.44 | xam | dan2: there are loads of USB ISDN cards (ie. isdn cards that are connected to the PC via usb) |
| 03:29.57 | dan2 | xam: I asked how well are they support! |
| 03:29.58 | Guerin | xam: it's a patch for mutt to have a sidebar. I'm patching the debian source, so I'm not sure what I should do differently to any other source... |
| 03:30.15 | smj | Greetings. On Debian Woody, I have installed kernel-headers. Whenever I do 'dpkg -L kernel-headers' the system claims it is not installed. Why would this be? The package shows up if I do a full listing with 'dpkg --list'. |
| 03:30.39 | xam | Guerin: well, there might be some issues if debian already applied some patches to mutt |
| 03:30.46 | Guerin | smj: give us the output of dpkf -l grep kernel-headers, would you? |
| 03:30.51 | Guerin | smj: give us the output of dpkf -l| grep kernel-headers, would you? |
| 03:30.52 | ugly | smj: because it's kernel-headers-<kern version> |
| 03:31.12 | dondelelcaro | xam: it's generally not a big deal... you apply debian's patches, you apply the other patches, then you fix the collisions. |
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| 03:31.31 | dondelelcaro | of course, it assumes you've got a clue... but there's not much that can be done about that. |
| 03:31.39 | dan2 | xam: MULTIMODEM ISDN PCI TA ST BRI W/O ALOG PT EURO/ROW --> 61 |
| 03:31.40 | xam | Guerin: anyway, you just go to /usr/src/mutt-*; patch < patchfile -p1; and then try to build the package |
| 03:31.47 | Guerin | xam: right. |
| 03:31.49 | smj | ugly: Okay, now I feel like an idiot. Thanks for answering my question. :-) |
| 03:31.50 | dan2 | xam: I don't know if they have good support |
| 03:32.44 | xam | dondelelcaro: well, I can handle patch collisions, but can Guerin ? |
| 03:32.47 | Anthro | Are the locales in /usr/share/locale generated by locale-gen? |
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| 03:33.04 | Ugly_Duck | what particular modules for apache do i need to install.. so i can use perl? |
| 03:33.16 | Guerin | xam: probably not, is the answer. But we'll see. |
| 03:33.16 | pirre | Ugly_Duck: google.com +apache +perl |
| 03:33.23 | xam | dan2: I haven't used ISDN for ages ... |
| 03:33.24 | Ugly_Duck | k |
| 03:34.11 | dan2 | xam: can you help me google then :) |
| 03:34.19 | pirre | I should really start my own company, and sell google search patterns |
| 03:34.26 | Guerin | when dh_make builds the package, it automatically applies the patches in debian/patches, right? Would it be sheer madness to copy my patch to that dir? |
| 03:34.51 | Yomama | Hi, I aint getting the mouse to work with X. /dev/psaux works fine in gpm, but not in X. I have a PS/2 mouse |
| 03:35.10 | xam | dan2: the best way to look for used ISDN cards is ebay ... look out for the offers from Germany, since ISDN is/was very popular there |
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| 03:35.17 | ugly | Yomama: vague |
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| 03:35.48 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: No. |
| 03:35.52 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: It doesn't. |
| 03:35.53 | Yomama | *not so good at english* |
| 03:35.56 | Yomama | vague = ? |
| 03:35.58 | xam | dan2: I see lots of usb ISDN cards for about USD $40 |
| 03:35.58 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: You need a patch system. |
| 03:36.10 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Try cdbs or dpatch. |
| 03:36.13 | dan2 | xam: bah, you aren't answering the "supported" question |
| 03:36.14 | ugly | Yomama: not very informative/detailed |
| 03:36.17 | Anthro | Will I have problems if I remove everything in /usr/share/locale other than en_US and C? |
| 03:36.26 | dan2 | xam: I see pcmcia isdn for 0.99 |
| 03:36.41 | JoshTriplett | Anthro: Probably not. |
| 03:36.56 | ugly | Yomama: you did not provide us with what driver you're using in XF86Config-4, nor what you mean by 'doesn't work, NOR any errors you may have gotten |
| 03:37.02 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: ah, ok. |
| 03:37.04 | Yomama | ugly: the mouse doesnt respond in X, but i use the same device as i do in gpm, and the mouse works fine in gpm |
| 03:37.15 | Yomama | i use the "mouse" driver |
| 03:37.18 | g4lt | dan2 some SparcStation 10's had ISDN built-in |
| 03:37.23 | Yomama | PS/2 |
| 03:37.40 | dan2 | g4lt: heh, I need cards |
| 03:37.41 | ugly | Yomama: what's the driver you use in gpm |
| 03:37.54 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Or are you referring to an existing package? |
| 03:38.09 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: If so, then if it has a debian/patches directory, it probably is already using a patch system. |
| 03:38.21 | Yomama | -autops2 and -Rms3 |
| 03:38.25 | ugly | Yomama: also, are you trying to run gpm using /dev/psaux AND XF86Config-4 using /dev/psaux simultaneously? |
| 03:38.36 | ugly | that won't work in that configuration |
| 03:38.43 | Yomama | oh |
| 03:38.55 | hlen | which package does /usr/bin/w come from? dpkg -S fails for it in my system |
| 03:39.04 | JoshTriplett | Yomama: You want X listening to /dev/gpmdata |
| 03:39.10 | dan2 | xam: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14922&item=3493196480&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW |
| 03:39.12 | JoshTriplett | Yomama: Using protocol "Intellimouse". |
| 03:39.13 | ugly | Yomama: gpm needs to be in repeat mode I believe, and use the /dev/gpmdata device in X |
| 03:39.17 | xam | dan2: think like this: most ISDN users are from germany -> most linux ISDN users are from germany -> ISDN cards sold in germany are usually the ones that have best support in linux. Eg. 'Fritz' and 'Elsa' ISDN cards should be fine ... do a 'make xconfig' and read the drivers help just to be sure |
| 03:39.25 | Yomama | thanks very muck :D |
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| 03:39.36 | pirre | 'much' |
| 03:39.48 | ugly | 'typo' |
| 03:39.54 | dan2 | xam: Eicon have good support too |
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| 03:40.02 | dan2 | xam: even if it does resort to their capi driver |
| 03:40.07 | pirre | 'typo nazi' |
| 03:40.09 | dan2 | xam: they have a GPL sdk for it |
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| 03:41.02 | mickeyks | woot |
| 03:41.03 | hlen | would someone be kind enough to run dpkg -S /usr/bin/w for me? |
| 03:41.21 | dan2 | xam: 0 items found for elsa isdn |
| 03:41.24 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: yeah, I'm using a debian source package, but I have an additional patch I'd like to apply. |
| 03:41.26 | dan2 | xam: 0 items found for fritz isdn |
| 03:41.37 | xam | dan2: did you search with 'available for US' ? |
| 03:41.38 | ugly | hlen: not found |
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| 03:41.46 | ugly | hlen: try packages.debian.org |
| 03:41.49 | hlen | ugly, so you too.. weird |
| 03:41.56 | JoshTriplett | hlen: It's in procps |
| 03:41.59 | dan2 | xam: huh? |
| 03:42.03 | mickeyks | hlen: i don't have it |
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| 03:42.07 | JoshTriplett | hlen: It doesn't show up in dpkg -S because it's an alternative. |
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| 03:42.20 | JoshTriplett | hlen: I have no idea what other package provides a /usr/bin/w, though. |
| 03:42.21 | pirre | hlen: try dpkg -S /usr/bin/w.procps |
| 03:42.30 | Yomama | well... the mouse moved... but it moved REALLY fast and suddenly, X exited |
| 03:42.33 | JoshTriplett | pirre: I just mentioned that. |
| 03:42.35 | JoshTriplett | :) |
| 03:42.39 | dan2 | xam: I don't see that option |
| 03:42.51 | hlen | hmm.. thanks guys :) |
| 03:42.58 | xam | dan2: advanced search |
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| 03:43.08 | pirre | JoshTriplett: Second fastest is better than nothing? :) |
| 03:43.15 | JoshTriplett | pirre: :) |
| 03:43.23 | JaneLame | hey. i have alsa running but can't hear a thing. any ideas? |
| 03:43.24 | moi` | Hi all... I'm trying to build php4 from debian woody source and I'm receiving the following error: Sorry, I was not able to successfully run APXS. |
| 03:43.29 | ugly | Yomama: fool around with the driver in X |
| 03:43.42 | Yomama | yes |
| 03:43.42 | moi` | When I do an apt-cache searh apxs, it tells me I need to install apache-dev |
| 03:43.43 | JaneLame | the kmix menu is empty for some reason. |
| 03:43.44 | Yomama | i found out |
| 03:43.48 | Yomama | thanks a lot |
| 03:43.52 | Yomama | :) |
| 03:43.58 | moi` | but when I go to install apache-dev, it wants to remove two other packages I need--what can I do to compile this? |
| 03:44.00 | xam | dan2: and also use "search for title AND description" |
| 03:44.04 | dan2 | xam: can't read german |
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| 03:45.27 | mickeyks | JaneLame: is it giving errors? |
| 03:45.28 | Xm4n | kernel 2.6.7 or 2.4.26,which one is recommended ? |
| 03:45.42 | Napoleon | 2.4.26 |
| 03:45.46 | dan2 | xam: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=8059&item=3493524234&rd=1#ebayphotohosting --> how many ports? |
| 03:45.51 | xam | dan2: not a real problem. If the seller posts world-wide, he usually can speak/write english. Just contact him before you bid and ask for the shipping costs and what questions you have ... |
| 03:45.53 | JaneLame | mickeyks - not that i know of. where to look? alsaconf says it's all fine. |
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| 03:45.57 | rich_ | Xm4n seems like people have trouble with 2.6 in debian. |
| 03:45.58 | Xm4n | Napoleon:why ? |
| 03:46.09 | ugly | Xm4n: 2.6.7 was stable last I tried it, though the via-rhine driver was giving me problems |
| 03:46.10 | JoshTriplett | rich_: Running fine here. |
| 03:46.10 | JaneLame | maybe the problem is with the perms? |
| 03:46.16 | ugly | Xm4n: whereas it worked fine in 2.4.26 |
| 03:46.23 | JoshTriplett | rich_: Several improvements, actually. |
| 03:46.34 | Xm4n | oh |
| 03:46.38 | Xm4n | hmm |
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| 03:46.47 | zippy | Hi! Please, what command install .deb files in the debian 3.0 ? |
| 03:46.56 | JoshTriplett | zippy: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 03:47.01 | ugly | Xm4n: I'd go with 2.6.7 and switch to 2.4.26 if something goes wrong, otherwise no reason *not* to use it :) |
| 03:47.11 | rich_ | JoshTriplett yea here too, but I dont use the debian patches. Everyone else seems to claim debian isnt ready for it. |
| 03:47.17 | zippy | JoshTriplett Thanks! |
| 03:47.21 | Xm4n | ugly:2.6.7 doesn't work on Woody ? |
| 03:47.33 | JoshTriplett | rich_: Well, 3.0 isn't without backports. |
| 03:47.37 | ugly | Xm4n: I don't know - I haven't used woody in a long time |
| 03:47.38 | xam | dan2: no mention of ports/channels ... btw, channels are "Kanal" or "Kanale" |
| 03:47.40 | JoshTriplett | rich_: It runs fine on Sarge and Sid. |
| 03:47.45 | Xm4n | I see |
| 03:48.20 | Guerin | Xm4n: not unless you install a bunch ofbackports |
| 03:48.33 | Guerin | Xm4n: you've been told this already, several dozen times |
| 03:48.39 | Xm4n | Guerin:haha :) |
| 03:48.43 | Guerin | !tell Xm4n about bunk |
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| 03:48.52 | xam | dan2: it just says it's in mint condition and tested using Windows XP (for which you don't need extra drivers) |
| 03:49.05 | dan2 | xam: someone else selling same card, only has 1 port |
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| 03:49.26 | hlen | hmm, does dpkg -p show the size of the package file or the size needed for installation? |
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| 03:50.55 | zippy | I instaled the Debian 3 02r.... tried compile de kernel 2.4.20, processor athlon/k7, but it don't install the driver, only one file ("net"). No display erros, why? |
| 03:51.04 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:51.23 | moi` | Why can't woody packages coexist? The following extra packages will be installed: libdb2-dev The following packages will be REMOVED: libdb3-dev postfix-dev The following NEW packages will be installed: apache-dev libdb2-dev |
| 03:51.32 | xam | dan2: I you won't find many ISDN cards with more than 2 ports ... |
| 03:51.52 | JaneLame | no one has any ideas? alsaconf found my soundcard and claims to be running it. yet kmix doesn't recognize it. i have no sound atm. |
| 03:51.59 | JaneLame | no errors though |
| 03:52.22 | JoshTriplett | moi`: I believe libdb-dev packages conflict with each other. |
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| 03:52.23 | maher | JaneLame: how about aumix |
| 03:52.26 | dan2 | xam: thats not a problem, I can always add more pci ports |
| 03:52.32 | moi` | JoshTriplett: How can I work around this? |
| 03:52.39 | JoshTriplett | moi`: They probably provide the same files. |
| 03:52.44 | JoshTriplett | moi`: You may not be able to. |
| 03:52.55 | JoshTriplett | moi`: Are you only using Debian packages, or also some unofficial packages? |
| 03:52.56 | ugly | JaneLame: how have you set up ALSA? compiled into the kernel in 2.6.x or as modules in 2.4.x? |
| 03:52.57 | moi` | JoshTriplett: Wtf? I can't have postfix and apache on the same server? |
| 03:53.02 | moi` | only debian packages |
| 03:53.03 | xam | dan2: one more unfortunate thing is that not many german sellers use PayPal nor do they accept credit cards ... so you have to do a intl. money-transfer |
| 03:53.04 | JaneLame | maher - to install it? |
| 03:53.14 | JaneLame | ugly- the module snd_intel18x0 is loaded |
| 03:53.17 | JoshTriplett | moi`: Of course you can. Let me check something. |
| 03:53.19 | maher | JaneLame: apt-get install aumix |
| 03:53.22 | JaneLame | it seems like it's installed |
| 03:53.26 | ugly | JaneLame: and you're sure? it appeared in lsmod? |
| 03:53.27 | moi` | JoshTriplett: ok thanks. |
| 03:53.31 | hlen | there is Installed-Size.. very nice |
| 03:53.36 | maher | JaneLame: type aumix |
| 03:53.48 | JaneLame | i have oss modules too somehow. i used rmmod and now they're gone |
| 03:53.58 | xam | dan2: apart from that, you can find lots of computer stuff quite cheap on german ebay .... |
| 03:54.08 | ugly | JaneLame: sure they weren't ALSA's OSS emulation modules? |
| 03:54.15 | dan2 | xam: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=8059&item=3493434712&rd=1 |
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| 03:54.30 | JoshTriplett | moi`: Well, postfix-dev depends on libdb3-dev , and apache-dev depends on libdb2-dev, and libdb2-dev conflicts with libdb3-dev. |
| 03:54.49 | JoshTriplett | moi`: BerkeleyDB generally sucks, BTW. |
| 03:54.50 | JoshTriplett | :)\ |
| 03:54.51 | moi` | JoshTriplett: In order to compile php4, I need apache-dev, it would appear. |
| 03:54.59 | JaneLame | ugly - sure. |
| 03:54.59 | ugly | JaneLame: if you have OSS emulation, then yea you want to run 'aumix' as maher said |
| 03:55.03 | JoshTriplett | moi`: Why are you trying to compile php4? |
| 03:55.08 | JaneLame | aumix: no mixer found |
| 03:55.11 | JoshTriplett | moi`: Why not use the packaged version? |
| 03:55.14 | moi` | JoshTriplett: Because I need pspell support |
| 03:55.15 | ugly | ok that answers that question |
| 03:55.16 | dan2 | xam: are most 1 port? |
| 03:55.18 | JaneLame | sorry, 'no device found' |
| 03:55.20 | mickeyks | what do germans have against paypal? |
| 03:55.32 | JoshTriplett | moi`: Is it not available in the Debian package? |
| 03:55.33 | JaneLame | i feel like alsaconf lied to me *cries* |
| 03:55.46 | xam | dan2: you'll sometimes see "neuwertig", which means "as good as new" and "OVP", which means "still in original packaging" ... |
| 03:55.46 | moi` | JoshTriplett: I need to edit debian/rules to add --with-pspell |
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| 03:55.54 | jp- | the busted php in the topic, that's not with the stable distribution? (the report says apache 2, i see nothing about which distribution the problem lies in) |
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| 03:56.08 | Guerin | ok, so I have patch collision problems. I presume that's what it is when all the debian patches work fine, then the 3rdparty patch doesn't; or the 3rdparty patch works fine but then the debian patches don't. |
| 03:56.11 | ugly | JaneLame: well aumix is for OSS, not ALSA |
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| 03:56.23 | JaneLame | i don't need oss |
| 03:56.28 | JoshTriplett | moi`: Does PHP4 depend on both apache-dev and postfix-dev? |
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| 03:56.33 | moi` | JoshTriplett: I've done this before, no idea why it isn't working now--perhaps it was before I was using postfix? |
| 03:56.37 | Guerin | is there a quick and dirty guide to resolving them, or does it need a fair whack of C knowledge? |
| 03:56.42 | JaneLame | maher - don't give me advise if u dunno. |
| 03:56.42 | ugly | JaneLame: when you play audio, does it error or just silent? |
| 03:56.50 | moi` | JoshTriplett: no, just apache-dev |
| 03:56.53 | JaneLame | ugly- just silent |
| 03:56.56 | JoshTriplett | moi`: OK. |
| 03:57.00 | JaneLame | no error whatsoever |
| 03:57.01 | xam | dan2: PayPal usually need a credit card, and credit cards are not common in germany. Also PayPal was introduced quite late in germany, and thus doesn't have much members yet |
| 03:57.02 | ugly | JaneLame: 'alsamixergui' |
| 03:57.09 | ugly | JaneLame: ALSA mutes channels by default |
| 03:57.21 | JoshTriplett | moi`: Then temporarily remove libdb3-dev and postfix-dev to install libdb2-dev and apache-dev. |
| 03:57.24 | g4lt | xam no, paypal doesn't need a credit card, just a bank account |
| 03:57.27 | JoshTriplett | moi`: Build and install PHP4. |
| 03:57.31 | moi` | will that break postfix? |
| 03:57.32 | JaneLame | "no mixeer elems found". |
| 03:57.37 | JoshTriplett | moi`: No. |
| 03:57.41 | dan2 | xam: I like paypal |
| 03:57.43 | jp- | nope it isn't. |
| 03:57.43 | maher | JaneLame: i said try to use aumix because kmix depends on kde and aumix doesn't - so aumix is less likely to have weird bugs - but i will stop giving you advice now |
| 03:57.44 | JaneLame | alsamixergui says so. what do u thing i should do? |
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| 03:57.51 | JoshTriplett | moi`: You don't need postfix-dev unless you are compiling programs against postfix. |
| 03:58.08 | JoshTriplett | moi`: If you are just running a Postfix server, you don't need postfix-dev at all. |
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| 03:58.11 | ugly | JaneLame: driver issues - go back and fix :P |
| 03:58.14 | xam | g4lt: if your country supports debit from your bank account ... which was introduced in PayPal europe just lately |
| 03:58.27 | moi` | well what is the libdbwhateverthing? |
| 03:58.27 | JaneLame | maher - i'm talking about ALSA. Not odd. ugly says it's irrelevant. i believe him/her |
| 03:58.31 | xam | g4lt: lately like in "last year" |
| 03:58.51 | jivera | Would it be possible for apt to only bother trying to install off a CD rather than the network when either the network's down or there are enough packages on that individual CD that it's faster for me to fumble around with it rather than grab 'em from kernel.org? |
| 03:58.54 | JoshTriplett | ugly: Actually, aumix works fine with ALSA, if you are using OSS emulation. |
| 03:59.03 | xam | g4lt: it's still not available as an option in some EU countries, like here in Ireland |
| 03:59.16 | ugly | JoshTriplett: yea, I know |
| 03:59.22 | Yomama | Hi... my keyboard wont work in X.. It print different characters than it should. i use the "keyboard" driver. |
| 03:59.26 | JoshTriplett | jivera: Yes, if the CD's package is newer than the network's. |
| 03:59.27 | ugly | 23:55 <ugly> JaneLame: if you have OSS emulation, then yea you want to run 'aumix' as maher said |
| 03:59.29 | g4lt | xam funny, I just wire paypal the $$ |
| 03:59.36 | maher | JaneLame: please accept my apologies for attempting to help you |
| 03:59.41 | JoshTriplett | Yomama: What type of keyboard do you have? |
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| 03:59.59 | v1r05 | hello |
| 03:59.59 | xam | g4lt: where do you live? |
| 04:00.03 | JoshTriplett | Yomama: More specifically, what layout. |
| 04:00.04 | JaneLame | ugly - you are right. apparently on /proc/asound/cards, it is trying to play sounds using my MODEM |
| 04:00.05 | JoshTriplett | ? |
| 04:00.09 | dan2 | xam: http://tinyurl.com/3o32x |
| 04:00.12 | ugly | hah |
| 04:00.13 | dan2 | xam: perfect :) |
| 04:00.15 | Yomama | ugly: a windows keyboard with norwegian buttons |
| 04:00.19 | v1r05 | i have a simple question here |
| 04:00.25 | g4lt | xam Idaho, USA |
| 04:00.26 | JoshTriplett | Yomama: OK. |
| 04:00.27 | Yomama | three extra buttons |
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| 04:00.39 | JoshTriplett | Yomama: Did you pick the norwegian layout when you configured X? |
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| 04:00.46 | v1r05 | i dont want to use the boot application "lilo" |
| 04:00.51 | jivera | JoshTriplett: Sorry, maybe I explained the situation wrong -- I've got the first 10 sarge snapshot CDs downloaded, burnt, and available, but because I have a broadband connection I'd rather have apt just use the network *unless* it'd be faster to retrieve files from the CD. |
| 04:00.55 | Yomama | JoshTriplett: No, how do i? |
| 04:01.02 | v1r05 | i want to boot manually off a cd-rom |
| 04:01.08 | v1r05 | any help please |
| 04:01.09 | ugly | JaneLame: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/ - look up your soundcard in the soundcard matrix there and click on "details" - should give you instructions specific to your card |
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| 04:01.37 | JoshTriplett | Yomama: One moment. |
| 04:01.45 | Yomama | Ok:) |
| 04:01.56 | dan2 | xam: 3200 to buy retail |
| 04:01.58 | JaneLame | thanks ugly. *bows* |
| 04:02.17 | v1r05 | can any one help me please ! |
| 04:02.34 | xam | dan2: he says "was just tested once and then stored as a replacement card" |
| 04:02.42 | JoshTriplett | Yomama: Try entering the country code "no" when asked for your keyboard layout. |
| 04:02.44 | pirre | v1r05: google.com |
| 04:02.52 | JoshTriplett | Yomama: That's the country code for norway. |
| 04:02.58 | moi` | JoshTriplett: Seems to be working, thanks--should I switch back to the version 3 berkley db database? |
| 04:03.02 | v1r05 | i am downloading debian now slow |
| 04:03.02 | Yomama | ok, JoshTriplett |
| 04:03.07 | v1r05 | i cant search google |
| 04:03.25 | JoshTriplett | moi`: Once you have PHP4 built and installed, you can purge the -dev packages it required. |
| 04:03.30 | v1r05 | internet download manager suked most of the bandwidth |
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| 04:03.41 | moi` | JoshTriplett: Thanks again :D |
| 04:03.51 | JoshTriplett | moi`: You don't need to reinstall postfix-dev and whichever libdb-dev it used unless you need to develop stuff against postfix. |
| 04:03.52 | maher | v1r05: use wondershaper |
| 04:03.52 | xam | dan2: he also says "original warranty of 5 years, about 2-3 still remaining" ... but the warranty is probably only valid in germany or europe |
| 04:04.00 | v1r05 | some one here got to know how to boot off the cd |
| 04:04.17 | JoshTriplett | Yomama: You can also choose a keyboard layout using GNOME or KDE's control panels. |
| 04:04.19 | v1r05 | whas that "maher" |
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| 04:04.35 | maher | v1r05: a program to solve that problem |
| 04:04.50 | dan2 | xam: too bad I can't use a nic card instead of an isdn card |
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| 04:05.19 | pirre | v1r05: I assume you've read the installation manual at debian.org? |
| 04:05.35 | mezzymeat | i have a hdd that doesn't work. i think it's something wierd with the partition table, how do i fix this? |
| 04:05.37 | g4lt | dan2 don't the make standalone TA's? |
| 04:05.38 | JoshTriplett | pirre: Don't assume things like that on #debian . :) |
| 04:05.45 | dan2 | g4lt: TA? |
| 04:06.00 | xam | dan2: you should ask him what kind of payment options he accepts (he only mentions cash on delivery, quite common within germany. but since he posts world-wide, he'll surely accept other options). Expect to pay about USD $15 for shipping |
| 04:06.02 | g4lt | terminal adapters, like a DSL modem |
| 04:06.05 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Start by running fdisk -l /dev/the-disk |
| 04:06.23 | pirre | JoshTriplett: Retorical question, really |
| 04:06.25 | dan2 | g4lt: I just need multi channel isdn card and it must be cheaper than whatever the hell digium is charging |
| 04:06.27 | jivera | Oh wow! No more annoying sound lag in macromedia flash! |
| 04:06.28 | xam | dan2: search for "ISDN router" |
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| 04:06.41 | JoshTriplett | jivera: Now there's just the annoying macromedia flash! :) |
| 04:06.44 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett but the disk loads at /dev/hdb at boot but then it's gone when the boot is finnished. |
| 04:06.54 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Interesting. |
| 04:07.01 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Can you clarify? |
| 04:07.08 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett I found to rows of errors in the syslog, wait. |
| 04:07.11 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: What disk is Debian installed on? |
| 04:07.18 | jivera | JoshTriplett: Yeah, but at least it's not *as* annoying. :-) |
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| 04:07.35 | JoshTriplett | jivera: I don't know, Flash with sound sounds pretty annoying. |
| 04:07.52 | JoshTriplett | jivera: Flash without sound is probably pretty annoying, too. |
| 04:08.10 | peterS | JoshTriplett: s/without sound // |
| 04:08.21 | xam | dan2: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3750&item=3493071671&rd=1 |
| 04:08.23 | peterS | ah ... I see you just said that |
| 04:08.24 | JoshTriplett | peterS: That's what I figured. |
| 04:08.25 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett i sit in debian on /dev/hda1 |
| 04:08.28 | jivera | JoshTriplett: Yeah, flash ads are annoying, but I like watching flash videos like Xiao Xiao or 8bit D&D. |
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| 04:08.41 | JoshTriplett | jivera: s/sounds pretty/sounds like it would be pretty/ , lest you think I have flash installed. :) |
| 04:08.49 | mickeyks | 8bit d&d? |
| 04:08.56 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett hdb5: bad access: block=0, count=1 |
| 04:09.04 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Ouch. |
| 04:09.05 | RedHex | Hello,, my screen is way to big how do i make it smaller? |
| 04:09.07 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett end_request: I/O error, dev 03:45 (hdb), sector 0 |
| 04:09.09 | Xm4n | flash is a piece of shlt,all i want to do is get rid of it |
| 04:09.19 | dan2 | xam: erm, how the hell does this do me any good? I need to have direct access in my machine |
| 04:09.20 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett thats the errors in syslog at boot. |
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| 04:09.38 | jivera | mickeyks: http://www.cybermoonstudios.com/8bitDandD.htmlhttp://www.cybermoonstudios.com/8bitDandD.html |
| 04:09.41 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Can you post your /etc/fstab to #flood ? |
| 04:09.50 | jivera | Ack, pretend that didn't get randomly pasted twice. |
| 04:09.51 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett sure |
| 04:09.56 | ugly | RedHex: what the hell are you talking about? :) |
| 04:10.01 | RedHex | the res |
| 04:10.06 | xam | dan2: good point, but some come with USB interface to directly use it as CAPI device |
| 04:10.07 | ugly | that's better |
| 04:10.07 | zippy | My RPM in woody, relate a db3 error, but i have this package instaled, what i do? |
| 04:10.13 | ugly | RedHex: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:10.27 | dan2 | xam: oh |
| 04:10.31 | RedHex | like its set to 640x600 |
| 04:10.40 | dan2 | xam: capi is good, so I can use all those damn 4 ports |
| 04:10.50 | RedHex | i need higher |
| 04:11.00 | ugly | RedHex: see the above line ...... |
| 04:11.08 | RedHex | oh ok |
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| 04:11.39 | xam | dan2: well, this one doesn't mention USB nor CAPI, so I suppose it doesn't support that |
| 04:11.42 | dan2 | xam: can you find me one with a USB interface |
| 04:11.44 | jivera | !mplayer |
| 04:11.44 | dpkg | mplayer is, like, at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ , or for debian packages, see http://hpisi.nerim.net/, or the url for debian packages moved to ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/; as for why mplayer isn't in debian, ask me about <mplayer license> |
| 04:12.00 | guestish | mmmm...mplayer... |
| 04:12.02 | RedHex | !xmms |
| 04:12.02 | dpkg | i heard xmms is X MultiMedia System. Leach it from http://www.xmms.org/, or screwed up because it renices to -3 automatically on debian woody, and you can't de-automate it. |
| 04:12.16 | jivera | Hm, I could have just done /msg dpkg mplayer instead, huh... |
| 04:12.18 | guestish | xmms? bah |
| 04:12.31 | guestish | heh |
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| 04:12.38 | Xm4n | does mplayer support broadcasting media files playback ? file name is .asx |
| 04:12.50 | guestish | yes |
| 04:12.55 | guestish | just pass the -playlist flag |
| 04:13.05 | Xm4n | guestish:that for me ? |
| 04:13.08 | guestish | yep |
| 04:13.15 | Xm4n | cool |
| 04:13.17 | guestish | i think asx is a playlist |
| 04:13.20 | v1r05 | i dont want to use boot loaders like "lilo" i want to boot off a cd any idias who to do that |
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| 04:13.34 | pirre | v1r05: read the installation manual at debian.org |
| 04:13.34 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Yes. |
| 04:13.35 | Xm4n | guestish:yeah ,just like the .ram thing |
| 04:13.45 | JoshTriplett | Xm4n: Assuming the codec is supported, then yes. |
| 04:13.46 | v1r05 | piree i cant |
| 04:13.49 | guestish | v1r05: well you can hire an immigrant, they might be cheaper :) |
| 04:13.59 | Xm4n | guestish:but,how can i decode .asx to the exact source addr. ? |
| 04:14.03 | guestish | Xm4n: yeah, so just do mplayer -playlist foo.asx |
| 04:14.09 | guestish | Xm4n: mplayer will do it |
| 04:14.11 | pirre | v1r05: if you have enough bandwidth to be chatting here, you have enough bandwidth to RTFM |
| 04:14.26 | Xm4n | cool |
| 04:14.39 | v1r05 | its too slow after that i says time out |
| 04:14.46 | v1r05 | it says... |
| 04:14.49 | JoshTriplett | Xm4n: You mean figure out what the address is? |
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| 04:14.56 | JoshTriplett | Xm4n: Download and cat. :) |
| 04:14.56 | dan2 | xam: *sigh* I can't beat what digium is giving me, and with absolutely no documentation |
| 04:15.05 | Xm4n | JoshTriplett:if mplayer can do it for me,no problem |
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| 04:15.12 | guestish | Xm4n: usually the asx files are just xml files that point to the video |
| 04:15.15 | Xm4n | oh |
| 04:15.26 | guestish | Xm4n: or somethin like that, its pretty basic |
| 04:15.35 | Xm4n | i see |
| 04:15.40 | cromd | greetings all ... i'm using the woody netinstall and trying to use a realtek 8139c nic ... any ideas how to approach this? |
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| 04:15.53 | Xm4n | Thanks for the info :) |
| 04:16.09 | RedHex | ouch KLined |
| 04:16.13 | guestish | np |
| 04:16.22 | v1r05 | ok leave that i have an other question |
| 04:16.31 | JoshTriplett | Xm4n: Sometimes it can, sometimes it can't. |
| 04:16.45 | v1r05 | i cant get my adsl modem to work on knoppix - debian |
| 04:16.51 | g4lt | RedHex spambots don't feel.... |
| 04:17.02 | The_Vulture | v1r05: read the topic |
| 04:17.05 | v1r05 | i config it right but sam problem |
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| 04:17.15 | guestish | JoshTriplett: i've had good results most of time, the problem usually lies with the video file itself for me |
| 04:17.23 | thoreauputic | !knoppix |
| 04:17.24 | dpkg | knoppix is probably a bootable CD with a demo distribution, based mostly on Debian testing. It has almost 2GB in compressed volume, works in memory not touching harddisks by default, autodetects hardware and starts a prepared KDE session. Can be installed on harddisk later. URL: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html, http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/knoppix.php, /join #knoppix for knoppix-specific stuff. Not Debian but similar. |
| 04:17.41 | xam | dan2: no luck so far |
| 04:17.53 | JoshTriplett | guestish: When I tried to play "The Elegant Universe" from PBS Nova, I had to figure out the trail of URLs by hand. |
| 04:17.56 | dan2 | xam: I am not happy |
| 04:18.11 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Of course, I was then able to download it, not just stream it. |
| 04:18.18 | guestish | JoshTriplett: even better :) |
| 04:18.21 | dan2 | xam: I need some more documentation on the cards, and they haven't even documented it whatsoever, they want 100 USD per devel support hour |
| 04:18.30 | guestish | JoshTriplett: sounds like a pain though |
| 04:18.30 | dan2 | xxampisses me off |
| 04:18.33 | JoshTriplett | guestish: It's a great program, actually. |
| 04:18.33 | dan2 | :( |
| 04:18.37 | dan2 | xam: irritated |
| 04:18.43 | guestish | JoshTriplett: whats it about? |
| 04:18.43 | JoshTriplett | guestish: All about string theory. |
| 04:18.45 | kpearce | my psmerge command is generating empty files on the latest sid (not completely empty, they have postscript stuff in them, just no actual content). Any ideas? Is it an actual bug, or am I maybe doing something wrong? |
| 04:19.00 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Relativity vs Quantum Mechanics. |
| 04:19.08 | guestish | JoshTriplett: o |
| 04:19.11 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Very handwavish, but still interesting. |
| 04:19.25 | JoshTriplett | guestish: (My physics professor pointed it out.) |
| 04:19.34 | xam | dan2: there are some, but only 1 channel so far ... |
| 04:19.49 | dan2 | xam: I know ISDN is documented |
| 04:19.50 | JoshTriplett | guestish: He didn't know it could be downloaded, though. :) He was quite pleased with that. |
| 04:19.54 | xam | dan2: and over USB $100 each |
| 04:20.00 | guestish | JoshTriplett: probably isnt meant to be, heh |
| 04:20.11 | JoshTriplett | guestish: What isn't? |
| 04:20.24 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Oh. |
| 04:20.30 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Yeah, true. |
| 04:20.40 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Only because Quicktime doesn't do that, though. |
| 04:20.59 | dan2 | xam: cost isn't an issue if I can get 4 ports under 250 |
| 04:21.01 | JoshTriplett | guestish: It's not possible to stream something without providing it for download. |
| 04:21.14 | JoshTriplett | guestish: If you can play it, you can save it. |
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| 04:21.32 | guestish | JoshTriplett: actually it is, they have generators that generate the file on demand, making it impossible to download unless you download it through the player, afaik |
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| 04:21.52 | JoshTriplett | guestish: That still depends on the player not providing a save function. |
| 04:22.03 | guestish | JoshTriplett: true, btw, do you know of any players taht do? :) |
| 04:22.08 | JoshTriplett | guestish: And all the GNU/Linux players do. |
| 04:22.15 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett still doesn't work.. btw i don't think that mounting is the problem. It cannot even put the disk to /dev/hdb |
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| 04:22.18 | kpearce | anyone here have psutils installed on sid? |
| 04:22.24 | guestish | JoshTriplett: how do you save a streaming stream in mplayer? |
| 04:22.26 | JoshTriplett | guestish: So once GNU/Linux supports it, it can be saved. |
| 04:22.29 | leitao | please, how can i know a dns name that resolves certain address? |
| 04:22.33 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Several ways. |
| 04:22.46 | JoshTriplett | guestish: mencoder has a passthrough option, and mplayer has a -dump-stream. |
| 04:22.47 | moi` | damnit what the hell? |
| 04:22.52 | moi` | why do I have the wrong version of php? |
| 04:22.56 | guestish | JoshTriplett: cool, i need to remember that |
| 04:22.59 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Most of the time wget works, but sometimes not. |
| 04:23.06 | guestish | JoshTriplett: yeah, wget doesnt work with rstp |
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| 04:23.11 | JoshTriplett | guestish: True. |
| 04:23.17 | guestish | rtsp* |
| 04:23.29 | moi` | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main contrib non-free <-- that's correct right? |
| 04:24.10 | JoshTriplett | moi`: Yup. That's what mine looks like anyway, minus contrib and non-free. |
| 04:24.15 | xam | dan2: I got best results with "isdn router capi", but as I said, only 1-channel so far ... |
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| 04:24.23 | guestish | JoshTriplett: whats the file called that it saves it under? |
| 04:24.25 | moi` | why did it grab sources for 4.1.2-6 instead of -7? |
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| 04:24.31 | JoshTriplett | moi`: Actually, mine has "stable/updates", not "woody/updates". |
| 04:24.35 | thoreauputic | leitao: host, whois depending which way you are going (from IP use host) |
| 04:24.44 | g4lt | xam try pri in there |
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| 04:25.05 | deadcat | my xawtv is only full at 800x600, my resolution is 1024x768, any clue? |
| 04:25.13 | JoshTriplett | guestish: man mplayer, but the file is stream.dump, unless you specify another one with -dumpfile. |
| 04:25.16 | inpho | hey guys, is there anything like VMware that is compatible with debian? |
| 04:25.23 | JoshTriplett | inpho: qemu |
| 04:25.24 | guestish | JoshTriplett: cool |
| 04:25.29 | inpho | qemu |
| 04:25.31 | inpho | ok thanks |
| 04:25.31 | guestish | JoshTriplett: heh, the man page is huge |
| 04:25.34 | JoshTriplett | inpho: Or bochs, but that's incredibly slow. |
| 04:25.38 | JoshTriplett | inpho: Go with qemu. |
| 04:25.39 | guestish | JoshTriplett: its a monolithic sucker |
| 04:25.45 | inpho | is it free? |
| 04:25.45 | MobyTurbo | inpho: if you want to run DOS there's dosbox or dosemu. |
| 04:25.45 | mezzymeat | moi` you can find an apt source at www.dotdeb.org with the newest version of php if thats the problem. :) |
| 04:25.55 | JoshTriplett | inpho: Yes, in both senses. |
| 04:25.56 | inpho | my debian is just command prompt |
| 04:25.59 | inpho | thx guys |
| 04:26.05 | moi` | mezzymeat: I'm only interested in the latest security fixes. |
| 04:26.06 | xam | g4lt: ? |
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| 04:26.15 | JoshTriplett | inpho: Should still work, but you can also emulate a graphical environment with qemu, I think. |
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| 04:26.20 | inpho | very nice |
| 04:26.25 | JoshTriplett | inpho: There's also user-mode-linux. |
| 04:26.33 | mezzymeat | moi` ok, i just saw something about version of php, so.. |
| 04:26.36 | JoshTriplett | inpho: That runs a linux kernel as a user-land binary. |
| 04:26.42 | MobyTurbo | inpho: you are aware that Linux has the x-window-system GUI, aren't you? |
| 04:26.47 | moi` | mezzymeat: thank you anyway |
| 04:26.58 | moi` | I just tried again and it seems to be d/ling the right version |
| 04:27.18 | JoshTriplett | inpho: What do you want to do, exactly? |
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| 04:27.36 | Rono | hello... how are you doing... |
| 04:27.37 | g4lt | xam primary rate interface is multichannel, commonly abbreviated PRI |
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| 04:28.04 | Rono | What do I need if i want to create subdomains? Like sub.mydomain.com |
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| 04:28.30 | xam | g4lt: ahh, thanks. btw, you said kernel >=2.6.7 is borked (exploit), where you referring to the remote exploit mentioned in the /topic |
| 04:28.30 | Guerin | Rono: a dns host which supports it |
| 04:28.34 | JoshTriplett | inpho: ? |
| 04:28.38 | guestish | 2.6.7 is vulernable? |
| 04:28.39 | g4lt | xam I think so |
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| 04:28.55 | xam | g4lt: well, was fixed in 2.6.8-rc1 |
| 04:28.59 | g4lt | guestish depends on when you grabbed it |
| 04:29.07 | MobyTurbo | JoshTriplett: he seemed to hint that he thought that he must emulate windows if he wants a GUI. |
| 04:29.09 | guestish | g4lt: im usin the debian source |
| 04:29.23 | Rono | Guerin: if I'm running debian on mydomain.com, i need to install there dns software to get working subdomains? |
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| 04:29.25 | g4lt | guestish I think the Debian source is patched |
| 04:29.28 | MobyTurbo | "I only have the command prompt" |
| 04:29.32 | guestish | g4lt: phew, good |
| 04:29.38 | bigred | Is there a tomcat 4.1 backport for stable? |
| 04:29.40 | g4lt | MobyTurbo what's the downside? |
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| 04:29.47 | Guerin | Rono: who provides dns services to mydomain.com? |
| 04:29.52 | MobyTurbo | g4lt: huh? |
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| 04:29.59 | jivera | Is there any way to disable programs from making that annoying console beep? |
| 04:30.05 | Guerin | Rono: hint: probably the people you bought the domain from itfp |
| 04:30.05 | jivera | (Preferably all of them.) |
| 04:30.11 | g4lt | MobyTurbo to only having a commandline ;) |
| 04:30.13 | Rono | it's a server from my work... |
| 04:30.26 | debian | jivera: yank the cord between speaker and mobo.... |
| 04:30.30 | Guerin | Rono: you still haven't answered the question... |
| 04:30.38 | Rono | running dns, i've got a public ip |
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| 04:30.54 | MobyTurbo | g4lt: www is much enhanced if you use a GUI. The rest is mostly eye-candy, admittedly. |
| 04:31.02 | Guerin | Rono: subdomains have nothing to do with what OS you have, or your compiuter specifically, unless you run your own dns server. |
| 04:31.03 | dan2 | xam: I think I may have hit some type of holy grail on docs for this zapata stuff |
| 04:31.09 | jivera | debian: Thanks. |
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| 04:31.16 | g4lt | MobyTurbo bah! lynx and fbi is all you need |
| 04:31.29 | xam | dan2: ;) |
| 04:31.29 | MobyTurbo | g4lt: fbi? |
| 04:31.34 | mezzymeat | i have a temporary disk that i am installing linux on through vmware on my own computer. This disk was located at /dev/hdb, 1 and 2 (swap). Then suddenly its not there anymore. Now it seems that cfdisk /dev/hdb does not find a correct disk, and cfdisk /dev/hdb1 sees the whole disk at the correct size.. How can i fix this? |
| 04:31.34 | debian | jivera: let's see if someone else has better suggestion. |
| 04:31.39 | g4lt | !info fbi |
| 04:31.42 | dpkg | fbi: (Linux frame buffer image viewer), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.01-1 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
| 04:31.46 | rich_ | I think people who use gui's know why. |
| 04:31.55 | jivera | debian: Eh, I figured out how to disable it in gnome-terminal... that'll do for now. |
| 04:31.57 | Guerin | Rono: some dns host provides dns services to your box; to add subdomains, you need to configure that dns server to know about them. Typically, if you buy a domain name, you'll get a friendly web interface to do this for you. |
| 04:32.03 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Sounds like you might have formatted the disk incorrectly. |
| 04:32.07 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Or VMWare did. |
| 04:32.07 | debian | jivera: I think it can be disable. Like when Im using screen it can be disable within |
| 04:32.15 | g4lt | rich_ I think people who use GUIs are aphasic |
| 04:32.19 | MobyTurbo | g4lt: oh, the frame-buffer. That's pretty slow, and IIRC requires you run the program as root. |
| 04:32.30 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett then how can i fix this? A friend said something about partition table. |
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| 04:32.31 | g4lt | MobyTurbo nope |
| 04:32.37 | JoshTriplett | MobyTurbo: No, just add yourself to the "video" group. |
| 04:32.45 | MobyTurbo | ah, OK |
| 04:32.47 | JoshTriplett | MobyTurbo: It is relatively slow, though. |
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| 04:34.17 | xam | bed time for me |
| 04:34.18 | debian | I wondered if this is only my problem: I start X and the screen go blank, only. No response from any key press including ctl-alt-backspace. I remote login to it and found no X is running. Now I lost my console unless reboot. What should I do now? |
| 04:34.25 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett how can i "re-format" the disk? |
| 04:34.30 | Ugly_Duck | Question: cgi-bin directory is chmod 755, httpd.conf has module loaded, index.cgi and index.pl are there.. i have a simple hello word in both scripts.. but it says 403 access denied.. where should i look ? |
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| 04:34.50 | Rono | Guerin: hmm... I don't have a webinterface, but I can access my dns server which provides the ip translation to my linux box, but is there a way to configure from my box that when people connect to sub.mydomain.com it will redirect the requests to other host? |
| 04:35.08 | inpho | sry im back |
| 04:35.09 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: As root, cfdisk /dev/hdb , and create a new partition table. |
| 04:35.10 | rich_ | I mean its easy to say they dont have a use for them, but you dont really know. People who use graphical interfaces know why they need them just like people who use linux know why they need it. But I still cant defend desktop managers |
| 04:35.13 | Guerin | Rono: you can do that sort of tstuff with apache, yeah |
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| 04:35.38 | inpho | i just want to be able to run my command prompt linux from windows, cuz im still learnin and im lookin stuff up |
| 04:35.38 | xam | Ugly_Duck: sure cgi-bin and scripts are a+x ? |
| 04:35.39 | Guerin | Rono: but first, you need to configure it so that tjhe world knows where sub.domain.com goes, do you see? |
| 04:35.41 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett but as i said, that returns error that the disk could not be found.. |
| 04:35.44 | MobyTurbo | inpho: you don't need Windows to get a GUI, Linux has its own GUI system. |
| 04:35.51 | inpho | the thing is |
| 04:35.52 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Hmmm. |
| 04:35.54 | inpho | i dont want to do the gui |
| 04:35.55 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett or "could not open disk" |
| 04:35.56 | Ugly_Duck | xam: ok, will check that out.. brb |
| 04:35.58 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Yet /dev/hda1 works? |
| 04:35.59 | inpho | i want to learn from command prompt |
| 04:36.07 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: That's exceedingly weird. |
| 04:36.09 | Rono | Guerin: sure, sure, and this is why i need a dns server to my box, right? |
| 04:36.09 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett yes.. That |
| 04:36.16 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Oops, I mean /dev/hdb1 |
| 04:36.20 | ugly | inpho: so ssh in |
| 04:36.24 | MobyTurbo | inpho: you can open a command prompt window, and use a minimalistic window manager that does little hand-holding. |
| 04:36.31 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett of course.. But yes, it wierd. |
| 04:36.34 | Guerin | Rono: yes. A dns server trandlates foo.bar.com into 111.222.333.444 |
| 04:36.40 | inpho | minimalistic window manager such as? |
| 04:36.49 | ugly | inpho: such as blackbox |
| 04:36.49 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Only if it is broken. :) |
| 04:36.50 | compubomb | which debian build has the newest packages ?.. |
| 04:37.02 | inpho | ugly : my linux hd is on this same box |
| 04:37.03 | JoshTriplett | compubomb: Sid. |
| 04:37.07 | MobyTurbo | inpho: well, I use WindowMaker, but it might be distracting. |
| 04:37.08 | inpho | so i can only do one at a time, so i cant ssh in |
| 04:37.11 | JoshTriplett | compubomb: and experimental |
| 04:37.14 | ugly | inpho: ah |
| 04:37.16 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett but it seems now as /dev/hdb1 is not the whole size of the disk, so i assume that thats the linux partition and that the rest is the swap |
| 04:37.18 | Guerin | and incoming |
| 04:37.26 | Rono | Guerin: what would you suggest for a newbie like me :) |
| 04:37.27 | ugly | inpho: well then X + blackbox it is, then! |
| 04:37.27 | JoshTriplett | inpho: So you want to run a linux command line from Windows? |
| 04:37.28 | Shadur | compubomb: You're about to do something very stupid. Just a friendly warning. |
| 04:37.34 | compubomb | With debian can you get around having to compile kernels... |
| 04:37.35 | MobyTurbo | inpho: pwm is a good miniamlistic WM. |
| 04:37.40 | JoshTriplett | !bless compubomb |
| 04:37.41 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child compubomb, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 04:37.50 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett but still it can't open /dev/hdb so i don't know how to re-format the disk so works again. |
| 04:37.58 | debian | compubomb: all |
| 04:38.00 | inpho | ya joshtriplett just so i can use the internet and look up things |
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| 04:38.13 | xam | compubomb: yes. however kernel compile is not _too_ difficult with debian |
| 04:38.13 | Guerin | Rono: get in touch with whoever maintains your server.com, and get them to add some subdomains for you. Or use a freee dns service like zoneedit |
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| 04:38.23 | JoshTriplett | inpho: Just as a sanity check, can you run "ls -l /dev/hdb{,1}"? |
| 04:38.24 | debian | hmm...freegirL :P |
| 04:38.25 | inpho | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:38.32 | Guerin | Rono: whoever maintains dns for your servercom, I mean |
| 04:38.35 | inpho | from my run command? |
| 04:38.37 | simpletron | hi |
| 04:38.39 | dan2 | xam: HallujaH! |
| 04:38.40 | inpho | or from my linux command line? |
| 04:38.45 | xam | dan2: ? |
| 04:38.45 | ugly | compubomb: just because unstable (sid) has the 'newest packages' doesn't mean you should use it - you WILL experience package breakage at some point - sarge is your best bet |
| 04:38.52 | JoshTriplett | inpho: Oops, sorry. |
| 04:38.57 | JoshTriplett | inpho: I misdirected that. |
| 04:39.01 | inpho | oh np |
| 04:39.01 | dan2 | xam: who would know that its documented in the library .c file :) |
| 04:39.06 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Just as a sanity check, can you run "ls -l /dev/hdb{,1}"? |
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| 04:39.22 | dan2 | xam: I'd better as hell write some docbook docs before i forget |
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| 04:39.24 | simpletron | hello i have a problem with my gforce driver |
| 04:39.26 | compubomb | ugly: does debian have newest gnome ?.. or even gnome 2.4 ?.. |
| 04:39.33 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett yes. |
| 04:39.36 | JoshTriplett | simpletron: #nvidia ? |
| 04:39.37 | xam | dan2: I know the feeling ;) |
| 04:39.39 | Rono | Guerin: I ment a good and easy to manage dns software for my deb. :) |
| 04:39.43 | Guerin | compubomb: of course it does. |
| 04:39.45 | dan2 | xam: http://www.zapatatelephony.org/zap.c |
| 04:39.48 | windowwasher | xam: is there somewhere a copy of the saved build flie that debian is built with, so i can just make modifications for my setup, instead of going thru the whole works? |
| 04:39.52 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: What's the result? |
| 04:39.57 | simpletron | some one know what is modversion.h? |
| 04:39.58 | Ugly_Duck | xam: logs says this.. [Wed Jul 21 16:37:57 2004] [error] [client 203.96.216.34] attempt to invoke directory as script: /usr/lib/cgi-bin <-- a missing / maybe? |
| 04:40.11 | ugly | compubomb: sarge has 2.6.1 |
| 04:40.13 | JoshTriplett | simpletron: It's a kernel header used when compiling versioned modules. |
| 04:40.13 | inpho | qemu is run from windows?? |
| 04:40.17 | compubomb | heh.. |
| 04:40.18 | JoshTriplett | inpho: No. |
| 04:40.21 | inpho | ya didnt think so |
| 04:40.24 | windowwasher | well, if someone else knows, pls feel free... |
| 04:40.28 | JoshTriplett | inpho: It's an emulator that runs under GNU/Linux. |
| 04:40.37 | inpho | i want to be in windows |
| 04:40.39 | inpho | and run linux |
| 04:40.40 | inpho | :O |
| 04:40.40 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 65 Mar 14 2002 /dev/hdb1 |
| 04:40.46 | compubomb | ugly: if you setup sarge with 2.6.1 will it install the .config file ?... |
| 04:40.49 | simpletron | but when i try to install the nvidia's driver it said that i dont have it |
| 04:40.49 | Guerin | Rono: ah. You want to run your own dns server. Look at BIND9 or djbdns. I have only use BIND, and I'm an absolute newbie at it, so I can't help you much with specifics. |
| 04:40.56 | Napoleon | inpho run a screenshot lol |
| 04:41.01 | inpho | :) |
| 04:41.07 | MobyTurbo | inpho: vmware reportedly can do that. |
| 04:41.08 | xam | Ugly_Duck: more like "missing script name" |
| 04:41.10 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Is that the only line of output from ls -l /dev/hdb{,1} |
| 04:41.10 | simpletron | i install the kernel-headers but it dont work |
| 04:41.12 | JoshTriplett | ? |
| 04:41.15 | compubomb | meaning would i be able to use their configuration to add what i need.. |
| 04:41.52 | ugly | compubomb: I have no idea what you're talking about - I was referring to GNOME 2.6.1 |
| 04:41.52 | compubomb | or does debian backport shit.. |
| 04:41.52 | MobyTurbo | inpho: but you don't need to run Windows to have a graphical environment with a good web browser under Linux. |
| 04:41.52 | xam | windowwasher: look in /boot/config* |
| 04:41.52 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett yes, and just as a fun thing i saw that is was the same output up to the number 20. |
| 04:41.52 | compubomb | ugly: oh hehh |
| 04:41.52 | inpho | Napoleon i have VMware 3.0 and it doesnt seem to be working, and i checked the help files, and it shows lots of OS'es it supports and debian isnt one of them =\ |
| 04:41.52 | compubomb | <-- was thinking kernel heh |
| 04:41.57 | simpletron | to install the nvidia driver i need the kernel-headers |
| 04:41.59 | windowwasher | ah....always looking in wrong places... thnx |
| 04:41.59 | compubomb | ugly: what is the newest version of kernel on sarge ?.. |
| 04:42.01 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Well, I'm most concerned that you don't have a /dev/hdb device file at all. |
| 04:42.03 | xam | windowwasher: you might need to install kernel-sources-* aswell |
| 04:42.07 | simpletron | but it dont have the modversion why? |
| 04:42.10 | ugly | compubomb: you can use any kernel version in sarge |
| 04:42.14 | inpho | MobyTurbo, i dont want a graphical enviroment, i want to learn to use linux without it |
| 04:42.18 | compubomb | ugly: interesting |
| 04:42.20 | Guerin | !info kernel-image-2.6-686 sarge |
| 04:42.22 | ugly | compubomb: regardless of whether it's packaged |
| 04:42.23 | JoshTriplett | inpho: You have several options. |
| 04:42.23 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.7-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 04:42.29 | dan2 | xam: I hate writing docbook |
| 04:42.29 | compubomb | you do like 'apt-cache search kernel' right ?.. |
| 04:42.39 | compubomb | i used debian back in the day, used woody |
| 04:42.43 | dan2 | xam: should probably be texi |
| 04:42.43 | ugly | compubomb: you want kernel images or compile yourself? |
| 04:42.47 | compubomb | now woody is like ancient heh |
| 04:42.47 | JoshTriplett | inpho: 1) Use Cygwin. 2) Dual-boot with GNU/Linux (recommended option). 3) Use an emulator. |
| 04:42.59 | inpho | i am dual booting |
| 04:42.59 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett still at boot when it finds my own disk and also my cd-rom at hdd it also finds the disk and its at hdb1 and hdb2.. |
| 04:43.02 | inpho | 2 hds |
| 04:43.06 | inpho | one with xp and one is debian |
| 04:43.09 | MobyTurbo | inpho: there's no difference between a command prompt in an xterm and a command prompt without a GUI. |
| 04:43.10 | xam | dan2: texi is awkward aswell, but powerful ;) |
| 04:43.11 | Rono | Guerin: so if I run my dns server in server.com linux box, it's possible to add subdomains that my dns redirects to other addresses? |
| 04:43.17 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Right. One more check: Just run ls -l /dev/hdb |
| 04:43.26 | xam | Rono: yes |
| 04:43.34 | compubomb | ugly: right now i'm running mandrake 10.0 and it's a bit too bulky for my personal taste |
| 04:43.41 | compubomb | so i'm going back to my first distro |
| 04:43.42 | compubomb | heh |
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| 04:43.51 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett it does not exist. |
| 04:43.53 | dan2 | xam: texi isn't xml |
| 04:43.54 | MobyTurbo | inpho: that having been said if you just want to run a web browser every now and then you can get a character-based web browser like w3m. |
| 04:44.03 | dan2 | xam: I don't mind writing docbook xml manpages, but thats it |
| 04:44.04 | Guerin | Rono: if you run your own dns server, you own and can manipulate to you heart's delight, dns for all boxen you control. |
| 04:44.05 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: That solves it then. As root, run "mknod /dev/hdb b 3 64". |
| 04:44.34 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Then "chown root:disk /dev/hdb" and "chmod 0660 /dev/hdb". |
| 04:44.39 | xam | dan2: true, but easy to generate HTML, PDF etc from texi |
| 04:44.43 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Everything should work fine then. |
| 04:44.53 | inpho | alright guys, thanks very much |
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| 04:45.03 | JoshTriplett | xam: Or LaTeX, for that matter. |
| 04:45.13 | dan2 | xam: whoa! conglomerate is amazing |
| 04:45.22 | JoshTriplett | dan2: XML editor? |
| 04:45.33 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett thank you so much.. :D |
| 04:45.51 | mezzymeat | JoshTriplett think i must read the man to mknod if i ever gets here again. |
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| 04:46.06 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: Well, I don't know how the device file would have gotten removed. |
| 04:46.16 | Rono | ok... so I don't need to adjust anything at my server.com dns server, if i'm running my own dns at my server to provide subdomain, am I right? |
| 04:46.19 | MobyTurbo | mezzymeat: use the MAKEDEV script in /dev |
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| 04:46.22 | xam | mezzymeat: make sure you also read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt |
| 04:46.25 | JoshTriplett | mezzymeat: But hey, it works now. |
| 04:46.27 | JoshTriplett | :) |
| 04:46.28 | Poprocks | apt, start a desktop wra |
| 04:46.30 | apt | Poprocks: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 04:46.30 | Poprocks | apt, start a desktop war |
| 04:46.31 | apt | Don't be silly, console is the best. |
| 04:46.33 | JoshTriplett | MobyTurbo: Good idea. |
| 04:47.38 | Guerin | Rono: if you run your own dns server, you will take over dns duties for your server.com name. Note that you must own this name to do so, and you'll probably still have to get in touch with the dns admin who currently controls it. |
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| 04:48.10 | MobyTurbo | JoshTriplett: all of my ideas are good ideas. ;-) |
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| 04:48.19 | xam | Rono: if your ISP points the nameserver entry for "subdomain.server.com" to your dns server, you can adjust all of "*.subdomain.server.com" ... |
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| 04:48.22 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: mighty xml editor |
| 04:48.31 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Do you use Emacs? |
| 04:48.34 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: best docbook editor yet |
| 04:48.35 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: yes |
| 04:48.41 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: docbook ide sucks |
| 04:48.42 | JoshTriplett | dan2: apt-get install nxml-mode |
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| 04:48.55 | Guerin | Rono: you've gotn a lot of reading to do. http://www.nominum.com/resources/documentation/Bv9ARM.pdf |
| 04:48.58 | jivera | Why do acme and gnome-terminal conflict? |
| 04:49.08 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Then find a RelaxNG schema for whatever XML format you want to edit. |
| 04:49.16 | Rono | yep... I know that... i'm just covering the basics... |
| 04:49.21 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Absolutely incredible. |
| 04:49.22 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: nxml is sooooo slow |
| 04:49.27 | xam | Rono: if your ISP even makes an entry for the DNS server "server.com" to your dns server, you can control everything ending with *.server.com |
| 04:49.33 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Hmmm. Zippy here. |
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| 04:49.46 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: what do you mean |
| 04:49.48 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: you're probably using a 3rd millennium computer :) |
| 04:49.57 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: 1GHz P3. |
| 04:49.59 | deadcat | my caption line in screen is blinking like crazy using xterm, aterm is fine. heres whta i have: caption always "%{=B g}%3n %t%? @%u%?%? %?%=%C%A %D %Y/%m/%d" |
| 04:50.22 | Rono | xam: ok, that's what I was looking for... |
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| 04:50.31 | JoshTriplett | dan2: It's an XML mode for Emacs. It implements an entire RelaxNG parser and XML validator in elisp. |
| 04:50.37 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Validates as you edit. |
| 04:50.48 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: one of my big (~280k) docbooks has 1-2 sec pauses every newline so it can revalidate. Not pretty. I just use good old sgml-mode |
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| 04:50.50 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: what if you forget commands and etc? |
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| 04:50.53 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Automatic completion on tags, attributes, attribute values, etc. |
| 04:50.58 | xam | Rono: well, in that case, the entry change for "server.com" has to be made my the IANA, but your ISP could arrange that for you, if you bought the domain server.com from them |
| 04:51.23 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: I think there is an option to only revalidate on a keypress. |
| 04:51.32 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: sure didn't know Titles |
| 04:51.34 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: s/keypress/given &/ |
| 04:51.39 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: ah, that would be good. |
| 04:51.43 | JoshTriplett | dan2: What do you mean? |
| 04:51.55 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: <tit<TAB> |
| 04:51.57 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: nothing |
| 04:52.02 | MobyTurbo | I don't know all that much about XML, but I'll say this, whoever invented XML format human-edited configuration files is first against the wall when the revolution comes. |
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| 04:52.24 | JoshTriplett | dan2: 1) Ctrl-Enter, not TAB. 2) You need a RelaxNG schema for DocBook available to nxml-mode. |
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| 04:52.34 | JoshTriplett | dan2: TAB indents. |
| 04:52.49 | jivera | (Oh, because acme's already included in some gnome-* package. :-) |
| 04:52.57 | xam | JoshTriplett: everybody knows TABs are evil ;) |
| 04:53.07 | JoshTriplett | xam: Yup. |
| 04:53.13 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: where do I get a relaxng schema for docbook? |
| 04:53.20 | JoshTriplett | xam: TAB indents for me, and indents use spaces. |
| 04:53.30 | JoshTriplett | http://www.relaxng.org/ |
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| 04:53.56 | Rono | xam: I own the domain, I also have access to the dns server that provides the redirection to my box. |
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| 04:54.17 | xam | Rono: well, then you (can) have full control over the domain |
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| 04:55.09 | xam | Rono: I'm running also a DNS server (/whois xam) |
| 04:55.13 | Rono | ok ok... so, what I now need to do is install a dns server to my box |
| 04:55.39 | xam | Rono: apt-get install bind9 |
| 04:55.57 | xam | Rono: but there are several alternatives aswell |
| 04:56.04 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: how do I install a relaxng schema? |
| 04:56.14 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Let me see. |
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| 04:56.22 | Rono | well, what would be the easiest to manage? |
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| 04:56.50 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: lot of java tools for converting dtds to schema :) |
| 04:56.52 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Hmmm. According to nxml-mode's description, it includes a docbook schema. |
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| 04:56.58 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: heh |
| 04:57.02 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: how can I tell |
| 04:57.20 | xam | Rono: bind9 is not too bad once you get used to it, and there is lots of docu out there for bind ... but others are easier to configure |
| 04:57.21 | dan2 | it does |
| 04:57.31 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: how do i make use of completion etc |
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| 04:57.51 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Does Ctrl-Enter not work? |
| 04:57.55 | Rono | I only need forward translations to ip addresses |
| 04:57.55 | Guerin | xam: are there others, apart from tiny/djbdns? |
| 04:58.05 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: nope |
| 04:58.29 | JoshTriplett | dan2: What extension do docbook files have? |
| 04:58.51 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Ah. "The command `C-c C-w' will tell you what schema is currently being used." |
| 04:58.52 | xam | Guerin: pdns, maradns ... |
| 04:59.00 | JoshTriplett | dan2: (From info nxml-mode.) |
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| 04:59.34 | dan2 | Using schema /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/nxml-mode/schema/docbook.rnc |
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| 04:59.42 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Hmmm. |
| 04:59.45 | xam | Rono: the DNS servers Guerin mentioned are probably the easiest to configure and will satisfy your needs |
| 04:59.48 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Hang on a sec. |
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| 05:00.11 | McQuaid | is there something wrong with debian's apt sources? |
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| 05:00.47 | reubot | alright is it safe to remove nvidia-glx from running every boot? |
| 05:00.48 | McQuaid | the ftp for debian is failing trying to update the list |
| 05:00.49 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Does Ctrl-enter not give you a menu of possible tags? |
| 05:00.58 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Try it right after the < |
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| 05:01.11 | thoreauputic | McQuaid: heh - find another mirror? |
| 05:01.17 | Rono | I don't know if this is totally hardcore, but is there a dns server which I could manage from www-page... like just enter the subdomain and it's ip-address... |
| 05:01.30 | jivera | When a package in sarge has a 'release critical bug', does that mean that sarge won't be released as stable until it's fixed, or that sarge might be released before it's fixed, but if so, the package won't be included in it? |
| 05:01.33 | simonrvn | that is hardly hard core |
| 05:01.44 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: no |
| 05:02.03 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Hmmm. Are you using emacs in a terminal, or with X? |
| 05:02.09 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: terminal |
| 05:02.17 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: I prefer not using it with X |
| 05:02.43 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Ah. From "info nxml-mode": It won't be available on a traditional terminal (because it is indistinguishable from Return), but it will work with a window system. |
| 05:02.47 | xam | Rono: well, bind + webmin can do this, also pdns can do it ... I suppose others can do it aswell |
| 05:02.52 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Does M-TAB work? |
| 05:03.13 | JoshTriplett | dan2: (Or ESC-TAB if M-TAB switches windows in your window manager.) |
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| 05:03.45 | g4lt | you know, just once, I'd like to see a fucking upgrade that didn't futz with conf files |
| 05:04.12 | JoshTriplett | dan2: If so, then you need to do one of two things: 1) Remap nxml-mode's completion key to something else that works for you. 2) Make Emacs in a terminal understand Ctrl-Enter. |
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| 05:04.32 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Do either of those keys work? |
| 05:04.38 | Guerin | jivera: the former |
| 05:04.39 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: I am in emacs in X now |
| 05:04.42 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: works in X |
| 05:04.46 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Cool. |
| 05:04.58 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Does M-TAB or ESC-TAB work in a console? |
| 05:05.02 | Rono | hmmm... but if i run my own dns server, do i need nameservers also? |
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| 05:05.16 | Guerin | Rono: dns server = nameserver |
| 05:05.22 | Rono | doh |
| 05:05.24 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: esc-tab works |
| 05:05.29 | Rono | :D |
| 05:05.35 | Guerin | dns = domain name server |
| 05:05.40 | JoshTriplett | dan2: OK, then you need to do one of two things: 1) Remap nxml-mode's completion key to something else that works for you. 2) Make Emacs in a terminal understand Ctrl-Enter. |
| 05:05.43 | WES187 | hey guys.. does anyone use mldonkey with fasttrack here? I can't get fasttrack to work with mldonkey /: |
| 05:05.52 | exobyte | is there a way to get sca-2 to work with ide |
| 05:05.54 | JoshTriplett | dan2: (BTW, why do you prefer emacs in a terminal?) |
| 05:05.55 | Rono | yup, i just woke up, wow, i feel stupid |
| 05:05.56 | reubot | alright is it safe to remove nvidia-glx from running every boot? |
| 05:06.06 | JoshTriplett | exobyte: What is sca-2? |
| 05:06.06 | Guerin | WES187: did you install the fasttrack plugin? |
| 05:06.06 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: I like screen over switching windows |
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| 05:06.16 | WES187 | Guerin: where do I get it? |
| 05:06.21 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Ah. Try tabbar-mode. |
| 05:06.24 | exobyte | JoshTriplett: it's used in rackmount for hotswapping |
| 05:06.27 | WES187 | I tried apt-get install fasttrac* |
| 05:06.28 | Guerin | !fasttrack |
| 05:06.28 | dpkg | The FastTrack plugin isn't available in debian. Sid debs are available at http://hal.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de/debian/gift/ |
| 05:06.31 | WES187 | didn't work |
| 05:06.39 | WES187 | oooh thanx (: |
| 05:06.52 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Gives you a tab bar at the top. I bound M-left and M-right to switch tabs. |
| 05:06.57 | Guerin | WES187: it's legally dicey, so it's not in debian. |
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| 05:07.16 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: AFAIK, it was legally reverse-engineered. |
| 05:07.16 | WES187 | but that website is GIFT which is OpenFastTrack |
| 05:07.16 | xam | anyway, I'm going to bed now ... good night |
| 05:07.28 | WES187 | doesn't edonkey support the real fasttrack anyway? |
| 05:07.50 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Anyway, do you want to try to map Ctrl-Enter, or just remap the key? |
| 05:07.51 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: legally? Interesting. Legally in the US, or legally elsewhere? |
| 05:07.55 | croepha|home | what is thsi whole You are moron #X |
| 05:08.00 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: No idea. |
| 05:08.08 | reubot | I say we should let kazaa die and rot anyway. |
| 05:08.32 | Guerin | croepha|home: well, it's pretty straightforward, really. Do stupid shit, you get labelled a moron. |
| 05:08.33 | g4lt | reubot no! then we wouldn't know who the idiots were... |
| 05:08.55 | Guerin | WES187: NFI. |
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| 05:09.12 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: I want ctrl-enter to work |
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| 05:09.22 | JoshTriplett | dan2: OK. Let me check something. |
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| 05:09.42 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: btw, using pterm |
| 05:09.47 | JoshTriplett | dan2: (I did something similar for all permutations of C-, M-, S-, and arrow keys. |
| 05:10.00 | WES187 | Guerin: thanx (: |
| 05:10.03 | JoshTriplett | ) |
| 05:10.28 | croepha|home | what is the tool that willl automatically select your mirror |
| 05:10.45 | WES187 | I am new to debian.. how do I install a deb file that is just there? |
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| 05:10.54 | croepha|home | for apt |
| 05:10.55 | JoshTriplett | dan2: For starters, you can use C-h C-l (view-lossage) to see the exact keys Emacs sees. |
| 05:11.02 | JoshTriplett | WES187: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 05:11.07 | WES187 | WES187 doesn't know who peterS is |
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| 05:11.16 | WES187 | thanx JoshTriplett |
| 05:11.17 | peterS | WES187: trust me, you're not him |
| 05:11.23 | Guerin | peterS: you're teh leet mldonkey haxx0r we always thought you were! |
| 05:11.30 | peterS | Guerin: ha |
| 05:11.49 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Once you know that, you can add some stuff to .emacs to make emacs recognize it. |
| 05:12.00 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: I may switch to a char terminal instead |
| 05:12.02 | JoshTriplett | dan2: That assumes that those keys actually do send different things. |
| 05:12.03 | dan2 | like a tty |
| 05:12.09 | WES187 | peterS: are you sure? |
| 05:12.24 | peterS | WES187: guerin only speculated because you seem to use my trademark emoticon, (: |
| 05:12.29 | JoshTriplett | dan2: That probably won't pass C-Enter either. |
| 05:12.33 | dan2 | hmm |
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| 05:12.51 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Although you can configure it to do so. |
| 05:12.55 | JoshTriplett | dan2: (I did.) |
| 05:12.57 | WES187 | WHAT!! THAT IS MINE!! |
| 05:13.02 | WES187 | NO WAY |
| 05:13.03 | peterS | WES187: the other possibility is that you are really jaimos, who also uses my emoticon. I've got some ongoing legal action related to trademark infringement, with him |
| 05:13.04 | JoshTriplett | dan2: For the arrow keys anyway. |
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| 05:13.20 | WES187 | no way.. I have been using that for 6 years.. |
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| 05:13.27 | WES187 | how long have you been using it? |
| 05:13.34 | dan2 | the colors suck in the window |
| 05:13.43 | peterS | WES187: sure, sure. tell it to the courts. my lawyers will be in touch with your lawyers |
| 05:13.44 | JoshTriplett | WES187: d: |
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| 05:14.13 | WES187 | people ask me why I do mine backwards and I tell them how do they know theirs aren't backwards (: |
| 05:14.24 | JoshTriplett | WES187: Heh. |
| 05:14.29 | JoshTriplett | WES187: Convention, I guess. |
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| 05:14.45 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: C-h C-l gives me language goop |
| 05:14.47 | peterS | WES187: my favorite answer is that you have to turn your head the same direction if you wish to read a book spine on a shelf |
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| 05:14.56 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Yup. |
| 05:15.10 | dan2 | whatever |
| 05:15.16 | WES187 | peterS: that is good I will remember that one |
| 05:15.26 | JoshTriplett | Hit Enter, then C-h C-l and see what's new, then C-Enter, then C-h C-l again to see what's new. |
| 05:15.28 | WES187 | plus (: seems easier to type for me lol |
| 05:15.36 | k-man | is there a "build kernels the debian way" faq somewhere? |
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| 05:15.42 | k-man | or HOWTO |
| 05:15.42 | JoshTriplett | !kp |
| 05:15.43 | dpkg | it has been said that kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 05:15.53 | peterS | WES187: it won't work if you tell that to people in France. not sure about the rest of Europe. but French books often have their spines printed upside down |
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| 05:16.17 | WES187 | Also in japan they just read it down |
| 05:16.21 | peterS | who wants to do the honors? |
| 05:16.26 | k-man | thanks JoshTriplett |
| 05:16.33 | JoshTriplett | !tell Goring about away |
| 05:16.39 | peterS | !tell Goring|zZzZzZzZz -about away |
| 05:16.43 | peterS | ...I think you meant |
| 05:16.51 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Good point. |
| 05:16.55 | JoshTriplett | Hmmm. |
| 05:17.03 | JoshTriplett | !nickometer Goring|zZzZzZzZz |
| 05:17.03 | dpkg | 'Goring|zZzZzZzZz' is 99.9675% lame, joshtriplett |
| 05:17.17 | JoshTriplett | Yup. |
| 05:17.26 | JoshTriplett | Smart bot. |
| 05:17.28 | WES187 | okay.. libfasttrack is now installed and it still doesn't work |
| 05:17.31 | acj | on a fresh sarge install, apt-get install kde gives this error, trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/kfmexec', which is also in package kdelibs-bin. how can I get kde to install? |
| 05:17.34 | WES187 | ): |
| 05:18.24 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Oh, I see what you mean now. |
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| 05:18.32 | JoshTriplett | dan2: C-h l, not C-h C-l. Sorry. |
| 05:18.34 | k-man | someone should develop a bot that tells dpkg what to tell people ;) |
| 05:18.40 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Been a while since I used it. |
| 05:18.48 | peterS | JoshTriplett: you got a /notice from him, didn't you? that's another category of lame |
| 05:18.55 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Yup. |
| 05:19.14 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: char terminal will let me use M-TAB |
| 05:19.18 | JoshTriplett | k-man: I think dealing with human stupidity requires human intelligence. Ironic, no? :) |
| 05:19.23 | JoshTriplett | dan2: True. |
| 05:19.32 | k-man | JoshTriplett, yeah, strange that |
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| 05:19.44 | k-man | are you saying my question was stupid? ;) |
| 05:19.46 | zoyd_ | hi, anyone here using qemu? |
| 05:19.49 | Xenguy | JoshTriplett: It certainly requires a sense of humour :p |
| 05:19.52 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Unless you are really attached to C-RET, I would recommend just rebinding it to fit your preference. |
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| 05:19.59 | JoshTriplett | k-man: No. |
| 05:20.00 | peterS | k-man: if you want bots that automatically respond to stuff on channel without being asked ... these things *do* exist. and please keep them out of #debian. |
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| 05:20.36 | k-man | peterS, no, i was meerly pointing out that it seems as though JoshTriplett was spending his time telling the bots what to tell people |
| 05:20.41 | Xenguy | BTW does anyone in here use AFT (Almost Free Text) at all? |
| 05:20.41 | JoshTriplett | k-man: I'm saying that figuring out what dpkg should say to people on #debian would require an understanding of human stupidity. |
| 05:20.46 | JoshTriplett | k-man: :) |
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| 05:21.20 | k-man | the trick seems to be deciphering a question.. once it has been deciphered, it is easy to answer or even get a bot to answer for you |
| 05:21.54 | k-man | does 2.6 compile with gcc 3.3 now? |
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| 05:21.59 | JoshTriplett | k-man: And the trick to reversing RSA is finding the private key; once that has been determined, it is easy ... :) |
| 05:22.03 | k-man | im so out of touch these days *sigh* |
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| 05:22.10 | JoshTriplett | k-man: Worked here. |
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| 05:22.20 | k-man | JoshTriplett, hehe.. yeah :) |
| 05:23.15 | Xenguy | yes, I suppose AFT is rather obscure |
| 05:23.35 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Anyway - some of the nice nxml-mode features include: Type <title and then press C-c C-i (i for inine), and it adds ></title> and puts your cursor between the tags. |
| 05:24.23 | JoshTriplett | dan2: C-c C-b is block complete, which adds >, newline and indent, cursor, newline and unindent, </tag>. |
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| 05:25.22 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: yeah its nice |
| 05:25.24 | Xenguy | YAEF <-- Yet Another EMACS Freak, er Fan ;-) |
| 05:25.30 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: having issues with the tty tho |
| 05:25.35 | dan2 | iptables is barfing output all over it |
| 05:25.51 | JoshTriplett | dan2: dmesg -n loglevel |
| 05:26.00 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Increase until it goes away. |
| 05:26.25 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Try browsing the nxml customize group. |
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| 05:26.59 | JoshTriplett | dan2: One option you may want to set is "Nxml Slash Auto Complete Flag". |
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| 05:27.32 | JoshTriplett | dan2: With that set, </ is all you need to type for a close tag. (Since there is only one tag that could be closed.) |
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| 05:28.38 | JoshTriplett | dan2: I'm writing a huge amount of XML Schema and XSLT using nxml-mode, and it's great. |
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| 05:30.00 | Xm4n | debian security update sorce stops working ? |
| 05:30.07 | Xm4n | source* |
| 05:30.14 | Guerin | Is there a quick and dirty "howto resolve patch conflicts" doc someplace, or do I need to learn C and actually understand why this patch isn't patching? |
| 05:30.25 | Xm4n | apt canot get hit on debian security update |
| 05:30.26 | apt | Xm4n: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 05:30.34 | hacim | if there are two versions of a package available (one because of a backport), how do you specify one over the other? |
| 05:30.54 | Xenguy | Xm4n: php4 by any chance? |
| 05:30.59 | Guerin | hacim: pinning, or use the -t option |
| 05:31.05 | Xm4n | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 05:31.12 | Xm4n | it doesnt work |
| 05:31.12 | Xenguy | Goring: please turn that off |
| 05:31.16 | peterS | Guerin: the 'patch' tool is pretty unforgiving of the context not matching up *exactly*. your best bet is to use an editor to edit the patched file by hand, using the patch hunk as a reference |
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| 05:31.34 | Goring | the auto way? |
| 05:31.40 | Xenguy | Goring: nod |
| 05:31.42 | peterS | Guerin: but alternatively you can attempt to use the 'wiggle' utility, which is sort of a smarter form of 'patch' |
| 05:32.15 | Xm4n | ? |
| 05:32.28 | Xm4n | Xenguy:what ? |
| 05:32.45 | peterS | Guerin: naturally, wiggle is a debian package, in unstable. (it was too recently written to appear in stable) |
| 05:32.54 | hacim | Guerin: ok, how do you tell what to pass to -t? |
| 05:32.54 | Guerin | Xm4n: Get:4 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/contrib Release [113B] <-- works for me |
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| 05:33.10 | Xm4n | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free ##apt-get update cannot hit on this addr. says error -5 http |
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| 05:33.23 | bleck | what is that command to show you what processes are using a file (or device) |
| 05:33.26 | Guerin | peterS: it's cool, I only need it for sid atm. |
| 05:33.34 | Guerin | peterS: I found a sidebar patch for mutt |
| 05:33.41 | peterS | Guerin: sidebar? |
| 05:33.46 | JoshTriplett | bleck: fuser |
| 05:33.50 | JoshTriplett | bleck: Or lsof |
| 05:33.53 | Xm4n | Guerin:is that the offical addr. of your security source ? |
| 05:33.56 | bleck | thats it, thanks |
| 05:33.59 | Guerin | peterS: yup. http://vorlon.cwru.edu/~jrh29/mutt/ |
| 05:34.07 | jmandel | :q |
| 05:34.16 | Guerin | Xm4n: that is the line from my server's apt-get update output |
| 05:34.34 | k-man | whats the trick for migrating my 2.4 kernel options to 2.6? |
| 05:34.38 | Xm4n | strange |
| 05:34.41 | Xenguy | Xm4n: I was double-checking my own syntax -- it should work AFAICT, so not sure what that error you're getting is about :-/ |
| 05:34.56 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: I want to try out jclark's dtd to rng convertor |
| 05:34.57 | Guerin | peterS: I'm trying to patch it into the debian source package, but it just growls at me. |
| 05:35.19 | peterS | Guerin: ahhh. interesting. not sure if I'd use that feature or not, but it's certainly something I can see a use for |
| 05:35.21 | JoshTriplett | dan2: apt-get install trang |
| 05:35.33 | Xenguy | kill -9 bitchx |
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| 05:35.47 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Don't know if that's by jclark, though. |
| 05:35.50 | JoshTriplett | dan2: But it works. |
| 05:36.01 | Guerin | peterS: I have about a dozen different mailboxen over four separate imap and pop accounts, so it'll make life a whole shitload easier for me |
| 05:36.02 | Xm4n | deb http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main contrib non-free #doesnt work for me,and this is debian official recommended |
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| 05:36.20 | JoshTriplett | dan2: You have to set up a schema locator catalog, though, for nxml-mode to find it. |
| 05:36.28 | Xenguy | Xm4n: it should work -- have you google'd the error? |
| 05:36.39 | Guerin | peterS: apparently that patch is going into the latest gentoo port of mutt, according to the guy who wrote it, in #mutt |
| 05:36.39 | Xm4n | Xenguy: no, im now on win |
| 05:36.47 | peterS | Guerin: I see. I have several mailboxes myself (for lists). I might check out the patch |
| 05:36.48 | Xm4n | Xenguy:im on win now to check whats happening |
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| 05:37.04 | Xm4n | Xenguy:mine is deb http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main contrib non-free in my source list |
| 05:37.11 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Why not just use a graphical mailer? |
| 05:37.17 | Xm4n | but it doesnt work, get ERR. -5 http |
| 05:37.24 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Fingers too well trained? |
| 05:37.42 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Or do you use mail over SSH? |
| 05:38.04 | Xenguy | Xm4n: I notice that my line is 'deb http://security.debian.org' i.e. without the trailing slash, but I doubt that would make a difference |
| 05:38.12 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: the only one that does all I want of it is evolution, which is what I use now. But it's a dog, and damn slow, and bloated, and requires me to use lots of evil little gnome subsystems all named after animals. |
| 05:38.21 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: :) |
| 05:38.23 | hlen | seems like dpkg -p Installed-Size: comes in MB, and Size: not, although I can't find any docs specifying the units.. can anyone point me to them? |
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| 05:38.26 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: What is all that you want? |
| 05:38.36 | Xm4n | Xenguy:mine is from debian.org --> http://www.debian.org/security/ |
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| 05:38.43 | hlen | s/dpkg/in dpkg/ |
| 05:38.43 | Xm4n | and it used to work fine |
| 05:38.46 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Rephrasing for clarity: What features do you need. |
| 05:38.46 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: I'm just starting to us emutt now, and by chance I stumbled across this patch, so I figured... |
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| 05:38.48 | JoshTriplett | ? |
| 05:39.02 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: What does evolution do that others don't? |
| 05:40.01 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: full imap tls support, antialiased text, ability to run imap filters from mua, not use tons of ram, multiple pop and imap accounts... |
| 05:40.26 | Xenguy | Xm4n: dunno (assuming there's no firewall issues involved) |
| 05:40.28 | zorton | how would I find which module to load for OSS's ESS1896 audio support? |
| 05:40.28 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: not all that much, but I haven't found a single mua that can do it all, other than evo, and evo fails the ram test... |
| 05:40.34 | Xm4n | no firewall |
| 05:40.36 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Hmmm. For Mozilla Mail, that would be: check, check, check, check, and check. |
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| 05:40.56 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: (IMAP TLS is an "I think so".) |
| 05:41.01 | Xm4n | Xenguy:my other apt source works in the meanwhile,brb,let me check |
| 05:41.09 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: ah, and sane mail header handling, which moz mail doesn't do. And I had trouble with its imap support, though that seems to have been fixed lately. |
| 05:41.22 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: imap tls works fine in mozmail - my mother uses it. |
| 05:41.34 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Define "sane mail header handling"? |
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| 05:41.57 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: it might be easiest demonstrated with a screenshot. Do you have it running there? |
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| 05:44.35 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Mozilla Mail? Yes. |
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| 05:44.41 | JoshTriplett | Be back in a few minutes. |
| 05:45.12 | k-man | how do i tell, from the command line, if my cpu is celeron pre or post coppermine? |
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| 05:45.26 | peterS | k-man: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:45.34 | k-man | peterS, it just says coppermine |
| 05:45.37 | k-man | sorry |
| 05:45.45 | k-man | it just says celeron, no mention of coppermine |
| 05:45.58 | k-man | celeron (Mendocino) |
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| 05:46.01 | peterS | k-man: well, it'll give you 'model' and 'stepping' numbers |
| 05:46.11 | peterS | k-man: you can look those up somewhere |
| 05:46.17 | k-man | ah... stepping is 5 |
| 05:46.19 | k-man | oh, isee |
| 05:46.20 | k-man | thanks |
| 05:46.21 | deadcat | k-man: i used to own this crappy dual xeon and cpuinfo shows celeron |
| 05:46.44 | peterS | k-man: also - you can see what the 'flags' field says |
| 05:46.54 | peterS | k-man: those flags are the various features supported by that CPU |
| 05:47.10 | k-man | peterS, lots of TLAs and FLAs |
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| 05:47.21 | peterS | k-man: indeed. out of curiosity, why do you want to know this info? |
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| 05:51.29 | dan2 | hmm, is there a way to document functions in docbook? |
| 05:51.39 | dan2 | like int foo(char *blah) |
| 05:51.53 | peterS | dan2: check out 'doxygen' which generates docbook |
| 05:52.02 | dan2 | peterS: no it doesn't |
| 05:52.13 | dan2 | peterS: it generates xml, but not docbook |
| 05:52.17 | peterS | dan2: shrug. ok fine, it doesn't. |
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| 05:54.57 | peterS | dan2: before you dismiss my suggestions so quickly, you might check out 'Documentation/DocBook/Makefile' in the kernel source |
| 05:55.10 | dan2 | ok |
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| 05:56.29 | peterS | dan2: I thought the kernel-doc stuff was based on doxygen, but I suppose I could have remembered it wrong |
| 05:56.50 | sussudio | lololol |
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| 05:57.30 | sussudio | nobody expects the lololol |
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| 05:58.06 | peterS | this is true |
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| 05:59.32 | blackish | hey anyone klnow which package contains the php cli? |
| 05:59.48 | blackish | command line version (for shell scripting) |
| 05:59.50 | sussudio | blackish: badgers |
| 06:00.03 | peterS | blackish: php4-cgi |
| 06:00.13 | blackish | thanks |
| 06:00.22 | blackish | badgers? am i missing something |
| 06:00.31 | sussudio | blackish: snaaake |
| 06:00.38 | bleck | I have a pppoe connection (adsl) and every now and i need it to be online continually. how can I make it automatically redial? |
| 06:00.44 | bleck | or is a script the best option? |
| 06:01.14 | sussudio | bleck: rtfm'ing is probably the best option |
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| 06:01.25 | sussudio | bleck: especially the part about 'persist' |
| 06:01.38 | blackish | i am sure i read something about this in the ppp howto somewhere |
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| 06:03.47 | oskie | why does libstdc++5 depend on gcc-3.3-base? that just doesn't make sense! |
| 06:04.14 | g4lt | oskie what, you wanted it to depend on g77? |
| 06:04.17 | mwilson | oskie: How does it not? |
| 06:04.28 | oskie | why does a library depend on a compiler? |
| 06:04.37 | oskie | a library that many applications link with? |
| 06:04.41 | mwilson | You said it depended on -base, not on the compiler. |
| 06:04.50 | oskie | then what's -base? |
| 06:05.06 | mwilson | Look, then you will know. Packages have descriptions for a reason, after all. |
| 06:05.13 | g4lt | oskie dpkg -L gcc-3.3-base |
| 06:05.19 | The_Vulture | what mwilson said |
| 06:05.28 | oskie | the only thing gcc-3.3-base contains is a bunch of documents. It depends on gcc-3.3, the compiler! |
| 06:05.48 | mwilson | oskie: Really? Since when? |
| 06:06.07 | oskie | hmm it doesn't |
| 06:06.10 | peterS | it doesn't seem to depend on anything at all |
| 06:06.20 | bleck | i did actually rtfm and have enabled "persist" it doesn't seem to be working with the pppoe account (works for dialup) |
| 06:06.23 | g4lt | oskie what precisely is your aversion to having a compiler? |
| 06:06.29 | Guerin | peterS: ok, wiggle looks good. How do I wiggle it into the debian/rules make method? |
| 06:06.44 | peterS | Guerin: what, the patch? |
| 06:06.44 | oskie | g4lt: it's the aversion of depending on gcc-3.3 when there's 3.4 |
| 06:06.59 | Guerin | peterS: as in, I'm patching this source by putting my patch into debian/patches, then running fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 06:07.12 | oskie | g4lt: after removing mklibs i was untable to uninstall gcc-3.3 |
| 06:07.13 | mwilson | oskie: Except it doesn't, as you've been shown. So your actual problem would be...? |
| 06:07.21 | g4lt | !depends libstdc++5 sid |
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| 06:07.26 | dpkg | libstdc++5: depends on gcc-3.3-base, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.3.4-3) |
| 06:07.33 | peterS | Guerin: well, I'd apply the patch, using wiggle or whatever, and whatever needs cleaning up gets cleaned up - including those two files that never should have been in the patch at all - *then* generate a new patch that goes in debian/patches |
| 06:07.41 | g4lt | damn, it DOES have a strict dependency |
| 06:07.42 | peterS | Guerin: rather than just dropping the patch file directly in there |
| 06:07.46 | g4lt | that's ugly |
| 06:07.48 | oskie | hm, the problem wasn't libstdc++5 (although I still don't think it should depends on gcc-3.3-base) |
| 06:08.05 | mwilson | g4lt: Sure. To make sure the README and the changelog for the compiler are present. |
| 06:08.23 | mwilson | oskie: Then you are free to file a bug. |
| 06:08.30 | g4lt | 12:03AM <oskie> why does libstdc++5 depend on gcc-3.3-base? that just doesn't make sense! |
| 06:08.31 | Guerin | peterS: so... patch all the existing patches into one big patch? ... and what two files are you referring to? |
| 06:08.35 | bleck | anyone got any ideas? |
| 06:08.52 | mwilson | oskie: But going on and on about it depending on the compiler when it clearly doesn't won't gain you anything. |
| 06:08.56 | g4lt | mwilson wouldn't it suffice for gcc-base? |
| 06:09.02 | peterS | Guerin: the web page you pointed me at - I read through the most recent patch. it was a messy patch in that it created a couple of extra files that it shouldn't have - temp files, basically |
| 06:09.18 | mwilson | g4lt: There is no package named 'gcc-base' |
| 06:09.26 | peterS | Guerin: also, it's in cdiff format, which is sick and wrong all by itself, but whatever (: |
| 06:09.29 | Guerin | peterS: ah, I never even saw that |
| 06:09.37 | g4lt | oskie I'd suggest you start asking questions that you really want answers for then |
| 06:09.38 | oskie | mwilson: i don't dare submit the bug - the maintainer is probably mad at me for submitting weird bugs. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=260321 |
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| 06:09.53 | peterS | Guerin: yeah, it created a 'Makefile.in.orig' or similar, and one other file - whoever spun the patch wasn't careful to delete junk files before doing so |
| 06:10.20 | Guerin | peterS: right. Hrm. |
| 06:10.39 | Guerin | I think thiss might be a bit much for My First Hack |
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| 06:10.50 | mwilson | oskie: Whatever that's supposed to mean. Of course, it's far more constructive to whine about it than ask for it to be changed... |
| 06:11.10 | oskie | gcc-3.3-base is a somewhat useless package tho, heh. dpkg --purge --force-depends gcc-3.3-base probably doesn't hurt :P |
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| 06:12.06 | oskie | mwilson: they will probalby, like you, say "you don't understand things, get the hell out of here", rather than explain nicely how things are |
| 06:12.07 | mwilson | oskie: Yes, it's ALSO certainly constructive to deliberately break the package database. |
| 06:12.43 | siimo | hi alsa is working for me but gnome volume control apperently doesnt see it and i get an error like this if i try to open the volume control : Sorry, no mixer elements and/or devices found, anyone know whats the problem? xmms is playing using alsa output plugin fine |
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| 06:13.07 | mwilson | siimo: Use an ALSA-aware mixer. |
| 06:13.14 | nafai_ | hiiii |
| 06:13.33 | Guerin | peterS: ok, so let me try to rephrase, see if I can understand: I apply the patch to the current source as-is, then I remove the two dud files, then I make a patch from the patched source using diff, then I apply the NEW patch along with the debian patches. ? |
| 06:14.01 | siimo | mwilson, i thought this mixer is supposed to be alsa aware as it works on my other system |
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| 06:14.22 | yahya | Hi, I get an error whenever Exim tries configuring itself |
| 06:14.24 | mwilson | siimo: If you say so. I have no use for Gnome, never used its mixer. |
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| 06:14.35 | peterS | Guerin: I haven't looked at the mutt packaging lately, but some of those debian source package management schemes have a specific method for how to create a new patch for debian/patches which ends up being a bit easier than what you just described |
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| 06:14.43 | mwilson | siimo: Perhaps your "other system" is using the OSS compatability module. |
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| 06:14.48 | gryzor | my "ALt + F[n]" dont work anymore on X. |
| 06:14.57 | siimo | mwilson, yes it is and so is this system |
| 06:15.05 | gryzor | (debian sid, upgraded yesterday) |
| 06:15.09 | mwilson | siimo: If you say so. |
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| 06:15.19 | mwilson | siimo: Use an ALSA-aware mixer. |
| 06:15.33 | mwilson | gryzor: Don't work any more for what? |
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| 06:15.52 | gryzor | mwilson: well it's quite painful to work without 'em, indeed |
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| 06:15.56 | Laufer | yay, my new D800 laptop is working well with Debian. S3 sleep, and all. |
| 06:16.02 | gryzor | mwilson: cant change virtual desktop anymore |
| 06:16.08 | peterS | Guerin: for example, if it's using 'dpatch', you run a command "dpatch-edit-patch some-patch-name" and it makes a copy of your source tree in the /tmp directory somewhere and deposits you there, unceremoniously |
| 06:16.13 | gryzor | apart from with mouse... grrrr |
| 06:16.20 | mwilson | gryzor: When did Alt-Fn become the keystroke for that? |
| 06:16.21 | peterS | Guerin: then you edit said source tree using 'patch' or 'wiggle' or 'vim' or whatever |
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| 06:16.30 | Guerin | peterS: then... |
| 06:16.33 | peterS | Guerin: then you type 'exit' to exit the current shell, and dpatch creates a new patch based on the changes you made |
| 06:16.41 | gryzor | mwilson: always was mine. Defauilt on windowmaker as well as on fluxbox |
| 06:16.46 | Guerin | peterS: awesome. I'll look into that. |
| 06:16.55 | peterS | Guerin: that's what you do for 'dpatch'. for 'cdbs', 'dbs' and other such schemes ... it'll be a little different, but probably the same basic idea |
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| 06:16.58 | mwilson | gryzor: Are you describing VT's, or virtual desktops provided by your window manager? |
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| 06:17.08 | jmspeex | I'd like to add "experimental" to my sources.list, but I don't want apt to use it for updates (just for installing stuff that's not in unstable). How do you do that? |
| 06:17.10 | gryzor | mwilson: the later |
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| 06:17.18 | gryzor | on X |
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| 06:17.25 | mwilson | gryzor: <shrug> So fix the window manager configuration. |
| 06:17.36 | gryzor | i did not change that config |
| 06:17.38 | Laufer | gryzor: it was also the default when I used fvwm back in the day |
| 06:17.44 | Guerin | peterS: how I would approach it (without knowledge, just from a conceptual POV) is to apply all the debian patches and the upstream patch, then use wiggle to apply this new patch, then pick up the build process at that point - skipping the patching stage. |
| 06:17.48 | mwilson | gryzor: Of course you did. |
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| 06:18.15 | mwilson | gryzor: If nothing else, you very specifically said "upgraded yesterday". |
| 06:18.15 | peterS | Guerin: well, dpatch lets you apply and unapply patches, and lets you specify where in the patch list your newly created patch ought to go |
| 06:18.30 | peterS | Guerin: once again - check with the build system the debian mutt package uses, it might be different |
| 06:18.38 | yahya | Does anyone know how to configure Exim? |
| 06:18.39 | Guerin | peterS: roger that. |
| 06:18.45 | mwilson | Another one with no business running unstable. |
| 06:18.46 | Guerin | yahya: the people in #exim do |
| 06:19.16 | g4lt | peterS FSVO "work" IME |
| 06:19.31 | peterS | g4lt: right, right. I am not fond of its UI, as I said |
| 06:19.45 | k-man | is there a tool for adding multiple users at a time? |
| 06:20.24 | peterS | k-man: 'useradd' is not hard to script |
| 06:20.38 | k-man | oh.. ok |
| 06:20.40 | k-man | thanks |
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| 06:22.01 | k-man | is there a way to tell bash not to save this line in the history? |
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| 06:22.52 | MerlinCorey | is there a man page for bash..? |
| 06:22.58 | fudoreaper | "SYSLINUX 2.04 2003-04-16 Boot Failed" <-- on floppy boot from current sarge images... any ideas? |
| 06:23.07 | ash2004 | Hello there... had a question...trying to run aim for debian and wondering.. i get the error about loading libraries "libstdc++-libc6....." etc etc... anyone know how to fix? |
| 06:23.10 | The_Vulture | MerlinCorey: man 1 bash oddly enough |
| 06:23.29 | The_Vulture | that is to say, 'yes, there is' |
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| 06:23.51 | WorkerII | I (suddenly?) have "modprobe.conf.old" and no "modprobe.conf" .. I do have "modprobe.d", the problem is, modconf wont run. What do I do? |
| 06:23.55 | ash2004 | laughs @ vulture. A sly one he is... |
| 06:23.59 | MerlinCorey | The_Vulture: I was responding to k-man, actually... |
| 06:24.00 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Heh, long few minutes. It's late here, I'll see you in the morning. |
| 06:24.02 | WorkerII | Oh, and I'm on SID x86 |
| 06:24.07 | yahya | does anyone know a good text based mail client |
| 06:24.12 | JoshTriplett | yahya: mutt. |
| 06:24.13 | WorkerII | yahya : Yes |
| 06:24.15 | MerlinCorey | maybe it was too obscure and sarcastic..? |
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| 06:24.27 | WorkerII | !tell yahya about anyone |
| 06:24.42 | g4lt | !tell yahya about pine |
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| 06:24.55 | g4lt | ;P |
| 06:24.56 | ash2004 | so any ideas on where i can get "libstdc++..." ? and how to install? |
| 06:25.02 | WorkerII | g4lt : pine is an unfree editor, right? |
| 06:25.03 | whatever | e'llo everbody |
| 06:25.05 | ash2004 | basically C++ libraries |
| 06:25.18 | WorkerII | g4lt : Sorry .. I confuse with pico, I guess? |
| 06:25.22 | g4lt | WorkerII no, Pine Is Not Elm |
| 06:25.24 | MerlinCorey | WorkerII: there are free modifications, like nano is a modification of pico... |
| 06:25.25 | The_Vulture | MerlinCorey: ahh right, sorry to ruin your fun, I'll try to check for context next time |
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| 06:25.57 | Guerin | WorkerII: and we don't like to say unfree - it sounds too Orwellian |
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| 06:26.03 | MerlinCorey | The_Vulture: it's alright, you were giving me a fish; I was trying to teach him how to fish :p |
| 06:26.14 | ash2004 | WorkerII: how can i install pico? i have on server at work. trying to setup for home. newb. |
| 06:26.16 | mwilson | MerlinCorey: When did nano become a modification of pico? You need to tell its author... he thinks he created it from scratch. |
| 06:26.31 | whatever | ok, so I've read several documentations and nothing has worked yet. I'm trying to configure blackbox to run programs automatically on startup. ...how can I achieve this? thx. |
| 06:26.35 | WorkerII | Guerin : Well, i am not sure 'pine' is proprietary or 'closed source' ? |
| 06:26.43 | mwilson | whatever: You don't. Blackbox is a window manager. |
| 06:26.45 | Guerin | WorkerII: non-free |
| 06:26.46 | MerlinCorey | mwilson: ok, so now we're splitting hairs..? |
| 06:26.54 | WorkerII | ash2004 : Don't! Use nano. apt-get update ; apt-get install nano |
| 06:26.55 | whatever | mwilson: crap, not that stuff agian. |
| 06:26.58 | whatever | *again |
| 06:27.00 | WorkerII | Guerin : thanks! |
| 06:27.00 | mwilson | MerlinCorey: We are? You're wrong, it's as simple as that. |
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| 06:27.24 | WorkerII | whatever : Don't call mwilson crap when he tries to help you! |
| 06:27.26 | MerlinCorey | mwilson: it is a "replacement" for pico with a less restrictive liscence... |
| 06:27.30 | mwilson | whatever: What "stuff"? It's a window manager, it manages windows. It doesn't startup applications automatically. |
| 06:27.34 | ash2004 | WorkerII: thanks.. |
| 06:27.35 | g4lt | WorkerII neither, it's got a license restriction such that you cannot ship compiled binaries |
| 06:27.43 | whatever | mwilson: >_< |
| 06:27.45 | MerlinCorey | mwilson: excuse me for not being long-winded... |
| 06:28.00 | mwilson | whatever: Launch applications you want launched in your ~/.xsession. |
| 06:28.02 | MerlinCorey | and using the wrong synonymn... |
| 06:28.02 | WorkerII | g4lt : Heh .. sometimes I would wish we lived in a license free world, huh? :) |
| 06:28.05 | mwilson | whatever: That's what it's for. |
| 06:28.18 | ash2004 | Now anyone know where i can download C++ libraries for linux? "libstdc++" |
| 06:28.19 | whatever | mwilson: I read that by adding lines to your .xinitrc script programs will start automatically |
| 06:28.27 | g4lt | WorkerII license-free means nobody can do anything with copyrighted works... |
| 06:28.29 | The_Vulture | MerlinCorey: the term 'modifications' could have been substituted with 'alternatives' |
| 06:28.32 | whatever | mwilson: yes, thats what I meant, sorry, I didn't explain that right I guess |
| 06:28.32 | Laufer | whatever: put whatever you want started when X starts in your .xinitrc. |
| 06:28.33 | Guerin | !b-e ash2004 |
| 06:28.34 | dpkg | ash2004: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 06:28.41 | WorkerII | Anyhow .. I can't be the only SID user that uses "modconf" ... |
| 06:28.54 | mwilson | whatever: Yes, if you're using startx. |
| 06:28.59 | g4lt | WorkerII most side users use modprobe ;P |
| 06:29.00 | MerlinCorey | The_Vulture: *nod* I agree, highly, but you knew what I meant... mwilson just wanted to be "correct"... |
| 06:29.01 | WorkerII | g4lt : Today, yes, I'm talking about tomorrow when copyright is also gone. :) |
| 06:29.06 | Guerin | WorkerII: I don't know anyone using SID. I use Sid, though. And modconf. |
| 06:29.06 | mwilson | WorkerII: You might be. It's really not good for much. |
| 06:29.09 | ash2004 | dpkg: ohh... and if u were an idiot.. and wanted to know what do type into consul u would type? |
| 06:29.14 | dpkg | You are moron #8, ash2004 |
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| 06:29.20 | whatever | mwilson: what does xsession apply to? |
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| 06:29.31 | mwilson | whatever: Your display manager, if you use one. |
| 06:29.34 | WorkerII | mwilson : Well ... I'm from the old days .. what do you use nowadays ... edit modules.conf by hand? |
| 06:29.36 | ash2004 | dpkg: kinda, just new to linux |
| 06:29.36 | dpkg | ash2004: are you smoking crack? |
| 06:29.46 | g4lt | !botsnack |
| 06:29.46 | dpkg | :), g4lt |
| 06:29.54 | mwilson | WorkerII: What, other than nothing, does modules.conf have to do with modconf? |
| 06:30.01 | The_Vulture | MerlinCorey: I might have (I do mainly because of the other things you said after that), but others might not have |
| 06:30.15 | ash2004 | dpkg: i wish... but uhh... so u gonan help my newb ass or not? |
| 06:30.16 | Guerin | !mwilson |
| 06:30.18 | mwilson | WorkerII: modconf manages /etc/modules, which is a complete Debian-ism and highly worth ignoring. |
| 06:30.20 | dpkg | ash2004: wish i knew |
| 06:30.22 | dpkg | Hah! |
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| 06:30.26 | WorkerII | mwilson : I dunno. I assumed that it told the system what modules to load at startup. |
| 06:30.27 | jacks446 | for some reason, everytime i log on i need to enter a command in order for my computer to detect the network settings...it does not automatically connect. is there a way i can have this command executed automaticaly at startup? |
| 06:30.35 | Laufer | ash2004: dpkg is a bot... |
| 06:30.41 | Guerin | !mwilson is <reply> What, other than nothing, does a factoid have to do with mwilson? |
| 06:30.45 | dpkg | Guerin: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 06:30.50 | Guerin | damn you |
| 06:30.53 | mwilson | ^_^ |
| 06:31.09 | ash2004 | Laufer: are u serious... so i dont need build-essentials? |
| 06:31.18 | Guerin | ash2004: no, you do. |
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| 06:31.21 | whatever | mwilson: so if I use kdm to auto-start blackbox will it touch xsession? |
| 06:31.21 | WorkerII | mwilson : I tend to like debianism, when it works. modconf used to be a nice interface to me, but the alternative is to edit files in /etc/modules ? |
| 06:31.25 | Guerin | ash2004: apt-get install build-essential |
| 06:31.27 | Laufer | ash2004: if you look carefully Guerin prompted dpkg to tell you that. Yes, you need it. |
| 06:31.52 | ash2004 | ohh |
| 06:31.55 | g4lt | ash2004 are you TRYING to be dense? |
| 06:31.59 | ash2004 | thanks |
| 06:32.00 | ash2004 | no |
| 06:32.02 | Laufer | g4lt: be nice :) |
| 06:32.02 | ash2004 | sorry |
| 06:32.02 | mwilson | WorkerII: /etc/modules is a file, not a directory. |
| 06:32.04 | ash2004 | newb |
| 06:32.13 | ash2004 | thanks guys... |
| 06:32.14 | WorkerII | mwilson : Just noticed :9 |
| 06:32.15 | g4lt | Laufer I was being nice... ;P |
| 06:32.20 | Laufer | g4lt: oh. :) |
| 06:32.23 | WorkerII | mwilson : It seems to be a list of modules to load? |
| 06:32.42 | ash2004 | be back later when i need to do something complicated... like copy files from directory to directory... |
| 06:32.42 | hlen | mwilson, although I've always found /etc/modules to be a nice debianism.. other dists have no standard for that, some modprobe sparsely inside scripts |
| 06:33.05 | mwilson | WorkerII: It's a list of modules force-loaded at boot by either the modutils or module-init-tools initscripts, depending on which you use. |
| 06:33.23 | mwilson | hlen: Never met one that did that. I'd call that supremely broken. |
| 06:33.51 | hlen | mwilson, redhat does that inside rc.sysinit, iirc |
| 06:33.54 | mwilson | hlen: If you need to force-load them, why aren't they built into the kernel? |
| 06:33.54 | Laufer | mwilson: old versions of slack used to do that |
| 06:34.01 | ash2004 | ohhh one more thing... I needed to install modules for ATI radeon 9700 card... startx wont boot.. being a slut. the page i find the debian driver for wont let me install package cause its a different version... help? |
| 06:34.10 | Laufer | mwilson: ndiswrapper, nvidia, etc. ? |
| 06:34.17 | mwilson | Yes, and both RH and Snacky are widely considered broken. |
| 06:34.20 | Guerin | !dict slut |
| 06:34.22 | dpkg | Dictionary 'slut' (3 shown; 6 total): Sluts are good enough to make a sloven's porridge. --Old Proverb. ;; 2. A servant girl; a drudge. [Obs.] ;; Our little girl Susan is a most admirable slut, and pleases us mightly, doing more service than both the others. --Pepys.. |
| 06:34.30 | ash2004 | lol |
| 06:34.31 | MerlinCorey | ash2004: man radeon |
| 06:34.31 | mwilson | Laufer: Why in the world would you explicitly load the nvidia module? |
| 06:34.33 | g4lt | Laufer uhm, old versions of slack used BSD init, which didn't really use individual scripts |
| 06:34.34 | Guerin | ash2004: how does startx manage that? |
| 06:34.49 | whatever | crazy definition |
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| 06:34.54 | WorkerII | So, I am really the only one awake here, that is using modconf? |
| 06:34.55 | ash2004 | MerlinCorey: man radeon? |
| 06:35.00 | MerlinCorey | *nod* |
| 06:35.03 | mwilson | Laufer: Is your X different from everyone else's, and not capable of loading it when it needs it? |
| 06:35.06 | MerlinCorey | it may not work... |
| 06:35.08 | hlen | mwilson, slackware has a nicer rc.modules.. still, I like /etc/modules a little better |
| 06:35.10 | Laufer | g4lt: sure they did, one for each runlevel :) |
| 06:35.13 | MerlinCorey | but it's up on XFree's site... |
| 06:35.20 | ash2004 | just type in man radeon into consul? |
| 06:35.24 | MerlinCorey | yes... |
| 06:35.27 | ash2004 | kk |
| 06:35.28 | ash2004 | thanks |
| 06:35.35 | g4lt | Laufer uhm BSD init doesn't HAVE runlevels |
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| 06:35.51 | mwilson | g4lt: Shhh... don't confuse him with facts. |
| 06:35.51 | WorkerII | There is some issue with the kernel 2.6.x and mouse .. dpkg used to know about it .. what was the entry? |
| 06:36.11 | Laufer | g4lt: well, when I was running slackware (3.0, 3.1, etc), it was "BSD style" and it had runlevels. It certainly wasn't SysV style |
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| 06:36.42 | WorkerII | Laufer : No, that was sys5 init .. I remember slack 3.0 |
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| 06:36.59 | WorkerII | Laufer : Printing system and a lot of other stuff were BSD-style though. |
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| 06:37.11 | Laufer | ok, well, I guess I'm wrong. I thought it was BSD. Never having run BSD I guess I wouldn't know. |
| 06:37.15 | hlen | Laufer, slack has runlevels and and /etc/rc.d/rc.modules script whose sole purpose is modprobing |
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| 06:37.53 | hlen | s/and and/and an/ |
| 06:38.12 | whatever | mwilson: ...wtf....adding an .xsession file broke my auto-login? ...even if the file was blank. |
| 06:38.18 | g4lt | I dunno which is more obscene, an rc.modules script or Laufer's definition of BSD-style init |
| 06:38.36 | mwilson | whatever: "auto-login"? |
| 06:38.53 | Laufer | anyway, mwilson, for some reason the nvidia module did not get loaded automatically when I started X. It was easier for me to stick it in /etc/modules than to figure out why kmod wasn't loading it. |
| 06:38.55 | yahya | how do I set a hostname |
| 06:39.02 | whatever | mwilson: I'm using kdm with the option set to login a user automatically |
| 06:39.05 | nsadmin | whatever: I haven't lately... but you might look at the global xsession to see what it does and how it calls user's xsession |
| 06:39.07 | Guerin | ah, this patching thing is too mych for me, I cannae get me head around it |
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| 06:39.24 | shadedancer | Good Morning, short question: since yesterdays update me keyboard repeat ist broken and gnome preferences dialogs seem to be a bit "unstable" for the time being, anyone got any direction for me? |
| 06:39.32 | Guerin | I'll never be a l33t programmer <sob> |
| 06:39.35 | WorkerII | What is isa0060/serio1 ?!?? |
| 06:39.36 | nsadmin | autologin, not, other options might be revealed when you look |
| 06:39.49 | WorkerII | Guerin : Not with that attitude, you wont! |
| 06:40.10 | nsadmin | Guerin: gave up after your first effort? :) |
| 06:40.20 | whatever | nsadmin: hey dude. ^_^ hm, ok, I'll see what I can dig up |
| 06:40.45 | nsadmin | Didn't Paul McCartney write "Hey Dude"? |
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| 06:40.56 | Guerin | nsadmin: ah, I can't figure out what patching system this deb source package wants to use so I can trick it into applying yet another patch |
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| 06:41.00 | whatever | nsadmin: I've never touched Xsession so I don't know why there would be anything wrong |
| 06:41.05 | whatever | nsadmin: ...no idea |
| 06:41.08 | WorkerII | Where is my mouse? Its not on /dev/psaux anymore! |
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| 06:41.23 | Guerin | but I have housework aand things to do, so i'll come back to it another time |
| 06:41.29 | whatever | I ate your mouse. |
| 06:41.31 | mwilson | whatever: kdm found your user .xsession, so it ran it instead of whatever other broken thing it was going to do. |
| 06:41.40 | nsadmin | whatever: not saying anything is wrong... just saying you might find out what it does :) |
| 06:41.45 | WorkerII | whatever : You cruel boy! |
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| 06:42.18 | helix | poor guccio |
| 06:42.20 | helix | oops |
| 06:42.27 | helix | I mean, poor Guerin |
| 06:42.32 | siimo | hi can someone tell me how to prevent sshd service running at startup? |
| 06:42.35 | helix | his only talent is making factoids |
| 06:42.40 | sussudio | siimo: yes |
| 06:42.43 | nsadmin | siimo: remove it |
| 06:42.45 | whatever | mwilson: kdm was told to automatically login, thats all it does. for some reason it breaks with the .xsession file. |
| 06:42.59 | mwilson | whatever: No, it doesn't "break". |
| 06:42.59 | sussudio | !listauth guccio |
| 06:43.00 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'guccio' returned no results. |
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| 06:43.01 | WorkerII | Someone with PS/2 mouse: /exec -o ls -l /dev/mouse |
| 06:43.27 | Guerin | helix: shaddup, I have other talents |
| 06:43.31 | siimo | nsadmin, i have to remove ssh? |
| 06:43.32 | g4lt | WorkerII why would you set the symlink? |
| 06:43.34 | Guerin | helix: just not computer talents |
| 06:43.34 | The_Vulture | siimo: no |
| 06:43.35 | helix | Guerin: true, you can cook |
| 06:43.41 | mwilson | whatever: I assume it logs in, it blinks, and you're back to the kdm screen again? |
| 06:43.42 | sussudio | !ewe |
| 06:43.42 | dpkg | Guerin: baah. |
| 06:43.43 | whatever | mwilson: well, returns instead of completing what I want it to |
| 06:43.46 | The_Vulture | siimo: man update-rc.d |
| 06:43.52 | whatever | mwilson: more or less |
| 06:43.55 | nsadmin | Guerin: syncronized swimming? swimsuit modeling? :) |
| 06:44.03 | WorkerII | g4lt : I just want to know what the device is called now ... |
| 06:44.07 | skaught | siimo: Likely the easiest way is to run "dpkg-reconfigure ssh" |
| 06:44.08 | nsadmin | oh, -talent-... |
| 06:44.15 | peterS | Guerin: as it happens, I have a mutt source tree sitting here. looks like you can invoke 'debian/rules make-diff' to generate a new diff based on your current edits |
| 06:44.17 | g4lt | WorkerII it's still psaux |
| 06:44.23 | Guerin | nsadmin: depends what you like in a swimsuit. |
| 06:44.26 | mwilson | whatever: Then it's doing what it's supposed to be doing. It found your .xsession, it ran it, there was nothing in it to hold up your X session, that session terminated. |
| 06:44.29 | peterS | Guerin: it will be called 'debian.diff' and you can copy it into the debian/patches directory and name it something useful |
| 06:44.30 | skaught | siimo: But it's better to read some docs so you understand whats going on :) |
| 06:44.36 | mwilson | whatever: That's how X works. |
| 06:44.39 | Guerin | peterS: ... simple as that? |
| 06:44.40 | whatever | mwilson: ......oh. |
| 06:44.42 | peterS | Guerin: read the comments in 'debian/sys-build.mk' for details |
| 06:44.45 | peterS | Guerin: I haven't tested it |
| 06:44.57 | whatever | mwilson: strange. |
| 06:45.04 | peterS | Guerin: I only checked it out at all because I happened to already have a mutt source tree here (: |
| 06:45.07 | mwilson | whatever: How so? |
| 06:45.09 | WorkerII | g4lt : I run 2.6 kernel! |
| 06:45.13 | Guerin | peterS: I did, but I didn't really understand them. |
| 06:45.16 | mwilson | whatever: It did *exactly* what you told it. |
| 06:45.26 | whatever | mwilson: yes, it did. |
| 06:45.28 | nsadmin | Guerin: seriously... if you give up and never go back to it, how will you advance? |
| 06:45.29 | g4lt | WorkerII so the fuck do I! |
| 06:45.36 | mwilson | whatever: And that's strange? |
| 06:45.39 | peterS | Guerin: anyway, I think it *is* that simple |
| 06:46.05 | Guerin | nsadmin: come on, I'm not giving up on it forever. I'm just busy now, and it's insanely hot so my brain is like mush. |
| 06:46.10 | nsadmin | programming is little pieces of stuff you would know to do a particular job |
| 06:46.12 | mwilson | whatever: $ echo "exec blackbox" > ~/.xsession |
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| 06:46.15 | whatever | mwilson: but I was looking for a way to load programs after the blackbox shell has been established. (hence once the programs run their course it only goes back to the shell) |
| 06:46.17 | Guerin | The monsoon in korea has broken, you;ll be pleased to know. |
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| 06:46.25 | jmateos | hi, debian 3.0 r2 is woody? |
| 06:46.25 | streuner | peterS: for Einstein were things simple too ;-) |
| 06:46.30 | mwilson | whatever: No, you want to load them BEFORE blackbox starts. |
| 06:46.30 | nsadmin | Guerin: that's understandable |
| 06:46.32 | WorkerII | g4lt : Thats strange .. when I cat /dev/psaux .. it says no such device .. but the modules loads fine. |
| 06:46.39 | Guerin | now we trade 28degrees + rain for 35 degrees + sun |
| 06:46.39 | jmateos | what is the difference with other releases? |
| 06:46.39 | peterS | Guerin: I think 'debian/rules source.build' generates a source tree with patches, that you can hack on, before running 'debian/rules make-diff' |
| 06:46.41 | WorkerII | g4lt : I suspect you use other moduels. |
| 06:46.44 | g4lt | WorkerII psmouse? |
| 06:46.51 | peterS | streuner: this is true |
| 06:46.53 | WorkerII | g4lt : lemme check |
| 06:46.57 | mwilson | whatever: Usually, you want the window manager to be what's holding up the X session, not $RANDOM_APPLICATION |
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| 06:47.12 | WorkerII | g4lt : ps2mouse |
| 06:47.14 | Guerin | peterS: right. Lemme check. |
| 06:47.25 | peterS | mwilson: unless you run one of those strange and (arguably) wonderful things known as session managers |
| 06:47.25 | g4lt | WorkerII I use psmouse |
| 06:47.41 | whatever | mwilson: strange, that seems so backwards. lol |
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| 06:47.46 | WorkerII | g4lt : You have wheel and all? |
| 06:47.55 | mwilson | peterS: In which case it's the session manager holding up the X session rather than $RANDOM_APPLICATION. Same idea. |
| 06:48.01 | WorkerII | g4lt : Wait .. I have psmouse as well.. |
| 06:48.01 | peterS | mwilson: yep |
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| 06:48.26 | peterS | WorkerII: yeah, 'psmouse' should autodetect just about *any* PS/2-interface mouse, wheel or no wheel |
| 06:48.30 | WorkerII | g4lt : Thats quite strange ... you /sure/ you can cat /dev/psaux? |
| 06:48.40 | whatever | mwilson: oh beautiful!!! |
| 06:48.41 | Laufer | ok, it is worth noting that SysV-style init was incorporated into slackware in version 7.0, before that it used BSD-style (see http://www.slackware.com/config/init.php). Anyway, that's where I got my info from. |
| 06:48.46 | nsadmin | mwilson: maybe you know this one... my modconf doesn't like my modprobe or other tools, since the latter moved a config file... two questions: is there a canned solution you know of to get modconf to work? 2, I want to get usbhid to autoload as if modconf had edited the files for me... how? |
| 06:48.54 | mwilson | whatever: You've got to stop thinking of the window manager as being something special. It's just another X application. |
| 06:48.59 | g4lt | WorkerII better, I can USE my mouse with that module |
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| 06:49.02 | whatever | mwilson: dude, seriously. thanks again. so glad you guys are here. I feel like I'm learning so much all the time, its really appreciated. |
| 06:49.15 | WorkerII | peterS: It detects the mouse just fine |
| 06:49.20 | mwilson | nsadmin: To me, modconf not working is a *good* thing, not a bad thing. |
| 06:49.42 | whatever | mwilson: yeah....I grew up on MS crap, and until now I've only been doing terminal stuff |
| 06:49.48 | WorkerII | g4lt : Well .. if you find out what the name of the device is .. please don't hesitate to tell me, ok? :-) |
| 06:49.53 | nsadmin | I can understand that... but the fact it's there and not gone is an unclean thing... |
| 06:49.58 | Phated | whatever: Er, that's a -good- thing, knowing how to use the terminla. :) |
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| 06:50.14 | mwilson | nsadmin: <shrug> # apt-get remove --purge modconf |
| 06:50.15 | Phated | terminal* |
| 06:50.21 | mwilson | nsadmin: And you're done. |
| 06:50.21 | whatever | Phated: lol, yeah, but jumping to graphics evironment and understanding the concept...holy crap |
| 06:50.26 | WorkerII | peterS: I wish they would make an "oldtimer" mini-howto :) |
| 06:50.30 | Guerin | peterS: neither debian/rules source.build nor make-diff workk - both come back with no rule to make target |
| 06:50.39 | Phated | whatever: I know the feeling, still haven't got X working yet... *sobs* |
| 06:50.44 | g4lt | fuck, what am I, talking to a fucking wall? |
| 06:50.50 | whatever | Phated: don't give up |
| 06:50.52 | WorkerII | g4lt : What? |
| 06:50.54 | nsadmin | mwilson: so then how would I get a module to load at some point in the boot process? |
| 06:50.56 | peterS | Guerin: try: make -f debian/sys-build.mk source.build |
| 06:50.57 | peterS | Guerin: etc. |
| 06:50.59 | whatever | hey, don't be a wall hater. |
| 06:51.06 | g4lt | WorkerII didn't I just TELL you the device? |
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| 06:51.12 | nsadmin | especially not a fucking wall hater :) |
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| 06:51.20 | whatever | lol |
| 06:51.22 | Phated | whatever: Yeah, I'm trying not to... But it's frustrating... My XF86Config file is really screwing me over... And help? |
| 06:51.24 | k-man | screen is a very nice little utility |
| 06:51.25 | Phated | Any* |
| 06:51.27 | mwilson | nsadmin: Find out why the kernel can't load it if/when it needs it, and fix it. |
| 06:51.30 | peterS | Guerin: I thought that file was included in debian/rules, but perhaps not |
| 06:51.31 | WorkerII | g4lt : /dev/psaux ? You sure about that? If so, it seems very strange to me, that *I* can't use that device ... |
| 06:51.44 | WorkerII | g4lt : Which major and minor does your /dev/psaux have? |
| 06:51.47 | Active2 | I saw a php4 update last night but i didn't see it in my apt-get if i do a apt-get update and apt-get upgrade no package is upgraded (i have php4 version 4.1.2-6woody3 and the new one is 4.1.2-7) so what's going wrong ? |
| 06:51.50 | nsadmin | I guess s/can't/doesn't/ |
| 06:51.52 | whatever | Phated: use xf86config |
| 06:51.52 | g4lt | WorkerII yes, I'm fucking positive it's still psaux |
| 06:51.52 | peterS | WorkerII: /dev/psaux is manufactured out of thin air, in kernel 2.6, by the 'mousedev' module |
| 06:52.02 | peterS | WorkerII: it's basically an alias for /dev/input/mice, for backward compatibility |
| 06:52.10 | nsadmin | why would the kernel load that by itself? |
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| 06:52.19 | Phated | whatever: Yeah, I did, but somehow I'm missing something... I know I could get X set up in slink... Why did I ever install over... |
| 06:52.29 | WorkerII | peterS : I don't have any device on /dev/input/mice .. |
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| 06:52.38 | zepheir | Active2: You know there's PHP5 for Woody too. |
| 06:52.42 | mwilson | nsadmin: Load what by itself? That's kinda the whole idea of modules. |
| 06:52.44 | peterS | WorkerII: then you haven't loaded the 'mousedev' module |
| 06:52.48 | nsadmin | Phated: stop stop! you need your head! |
| 06:52.49 | whatever | Phated: error msg? |
| 06:52.56 | peterS | WorkerII: we *are* talking about kernel 2.6, yes? |
| 06:52.57 | Phated | whatever: No screens found. |
| 06:52.58 | WorkerII | peterS : Whats that? |
| 06:53.01 | WorkerII | peterS : yes |
| 06:53.06 | Phated | nsadmin: Concern appreciated. |
| 06:53.08 | Phated | :) |
| 06:53.10 | whatever | nsadmin: ...head is overrated. haha |
| 06:53.14 | peterS | WorkerII: 'mousedev' is a kernel module. you need it for all mice in kernel 2.6 |
| 06:53.14 | Phated | Haha. |
| 06:53.17 | nsadmin | mwilson: then somehow something in the system triggers its loading |
| 06:53.22 | whatever | Phated: owch, I remember that error |
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| 06:53.25 | WorkerII | peterS : *THAT* helpeed! Thanks! |
| 06:53.37 | Active2 | zepheir: why should i use php5 ? -> i want to know why it don't want to update to the security version |
| 06:53.38 | siimo | hi just wondering if i need the portmap service to run on startup on a workstation machine |
| 06:53.41 | Phated | whatever: Oh, hurray... Please, PLEASE tell me how you fixed it... |
| 06:53.41 | whatever | Phated: what kind of monitor? |
| 06:53.49 | Phated | whatever: HP D2827A. |
| 06:53.49 | g4lt | peterS wouldn't modprobe automagically pull it in? |
| 06:53.55 | mwilson | nsadmin: Unless you've taken steps to disable it, the kernel is perfectly capable of loading what it needs. |
| 06:54.00 | nsadmin | but I gotta get that lotr movie; I'll be back to ask more about this |
| 06:54.02 | mwilson | siimo: No. |
| 06:54.03 | whatever | Phated: my issue was because it wasn't finding the correct display adapter |
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| 06:54.11 | nsadmin | mwilson: to be continued |
| 06:54.11 | peterS | Phated: "no screens found" is a generic error message meaning "something went wrong earlier, check /var/log/XFree86.0.log for details" |
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| 06:54.16 | zepheir | Active2: I wasn't telling you to use PHP5. It was just a thoughtful comment. |
| 06:54.17 | Phated | Damnit. |
| 06:54.25 | siimo | mwilson thanks |
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| 06:54.27 | Active2 | zepheir: ok ;) |
| 06:54.29 | WorkerII | peterS : You don't run SID by any chance? If you do .. have you updated, and if you have, have you noticed that /etc/modprobe.conf is gone, so that modconf doesn't work? |
| 06:54.36 | whatever | Phated: yeah, dosen't mean it will be the same for you |
| 06:54.36 | Guerin | peterS: no, but make -f ... worked fine. Let me see about integradint the new patch with it, now. |
| 06:54.38 | WorkerII | Phated : Easy now, girl. |
| 06:54.44 | peterS | Guerin: right, good luck |
| 06:54.59 | Phated | peterS: Thanks, I'll go though it sometime and -try- to find the solution... And my semi-ugly hack didn't work either. |
| 06:55.03 | Phated | WorkerII: Heh. |
| 06:55.11 | peterS | WorkerII: yes, I run sid. modprobe.conf is deleted on purpose. you actually are not *supposed* to have one anymore. |
| 06:55.23 | Guerin | peterS: theory: I merge my new patch into the debian.diff, or I apply them separately? |
| 06:55.34 | Active2 | zepheir: but when php4 isn't upgraded... how many packages more are nog upgraded on my system and that's not nice :X |
| 06:55.37 | peterS | Phated: look for lines that start with "(EE)", those are actual errors. the rest of the (very long) file is *mostly* useless |
| 06:55.41 | mwilson | Guerin: What are you trying to do to mutt, anyway? |
| 06:55.45 | siimo | what package has this namedrndc service? its domain naming service or something like that |
| 06:55.51 | peterS | mwilson: he's applying a third-party patch |
| 06:55.55 | Guerin | mwilson: you're going to hate me for this - I found a sidebar patch. |
| 06:55.58 | whatever | Phated: but its worth checking to make sure you have the right graphics card loaded into your kernel, and that you selected the right card in the xfconfig(I figure the latter isn't an issue) |
| 06:55.59 | mwilson | I got that much. |
| 06:56.08 | Phated | All right. Maybe I'll copy them into one file and zip 'em over to you when I get to it... Heh. |
| 06:56.10 | peterS | Guerin: you apply your patch to the source tree itself and then generate a debian.diff using 'make -f debian/sys-build.mk make-diff' |
| 06:56.10 | mwilson | Oh, I've seen the sidebar patch. |
| 06:56.33 | zepheir | Active2: So you are trying to update your version of PHP4? But it's not working properly? |
| 06:56.33 | mwilson | Hacked it into the package, decided I didn't like it. |
| 06:56.54 | Active2 | zepheir: apt-get doesn't see a security update for php4 |
| 06:56.57 | WorkerII | peterS: Ok .. is modconf supposed to be broken, or should someone file a bugreport? |
| 06:56.59 | Phated | whatever: Hm, I think I installed everything correctly during installation, and as far as I know, there was no module required for my monitor during the config device modules bit of installation. |
| 06:56.59 | peterS | Guerin: that creates debian.diff - then you should be able to just move debian.diff into the debian/patches/ directory and call it something creative |
| 06:57.06 | Active2 | so it thinks there is no need to upgrade |
| 06:57.19 | peterS | WorkerII: no, it's not supposed to be broken. it's supposed to be missing /etc/modprobe.conf, though. check the BTS to see if it is broken for other people |
| 06:57.28 | shadedancer | WorkerII, there was something in Update news or in the package description, I seem to remeber. |
| 06:57.28 | whatever | Phated: not monitor. graphics card. ...was just curious if you had an LCD or CRT monitor. |
| 06:57.41 | Active2 | zepheir: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2004/msg00133.html |
| 06:57.42 | Phated | whatever: CRT. |
| 06:57.53 | WorkerII | shadedancer : OK, I guess it is no bug then.. Does it work for you? |
| 06:57.55 | whatever | Phated: k |
| 06:57.57 | Phated | whatever: Yes, I have an ancient computer, and I am proud of it. |
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| 06:58.07 | Phated | grins* |
| 06:58.10 | whatever | Phated: lol, be proud. |
| 06:58.12 | zepheir | Active2: I'm not too familiar with apt-get (pretty new to Debian), have you tried apt-get update? |
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| 06:58.26 | Phated | I am. Not many get a dual-boot working on 8 gigs of HDD. ;) |
| 06:58.35 | shadedancer | WorkerII, I'm not using modprobe.conf it seems, anyway, me machine booted nicely :) |
| 06:58.38 | whatever | Phated: ...I run a 133mhz w/64 megs of ram as my router. |
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| 06:58.43 | Active2 | zepheir: sure :) it's running every night and shows me the updates :) |
| 06:58.48 | Phated | whatever: Good for you, mate. |
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| 06:58.59 | WorkerII | shadedancer : Well, thats not what I mean .. can you insert a module with "modconf" ? |
| 06:59.05 | whatever | Phated: hey, it ain't broke.....no point in getting rid of it. |
| 06:59.07 | Phated | whatever: I have a 500MHz with 64 RAM. |
| 06:59.08 | marinos | Active2: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:59.13 | shadedancer | BTW short question: since yesterdays update me keyboard repeat ist broken and gnome preferences dialogs seem to be a bit "unstable" for the time being, anyone got any direction for me? |
| 06:59.20 | Phated | whatever: So if you can get X running, so can I, damnit. :) |
| 06:59.21 | zepheir | Active2: Heh, I wouldn't really know then =P |
| 06:59.23 | shadedancer | WorkerII, let me test it, moment... |
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| 06:59.30 | whatever | Phated: ...that ram must be a killer hold back at those speeds. |
| 06:59.30 | peterS | Phated: do you know what graphics card you've got? |
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| 06:59.47 | whatever | Phated: lol, oh no, x isn't running on the 133, but yeah, cripe, I think X would run on anything practically |
| 06:59.50 | Phated | peterS: CRT or LCD, I presume you're asking? |
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| 07:00.04 | Active2 | marinos: apt-get doesn't see the update so it thinks there is no need to update |
| 07:00.05 | peterS | Phated: no, the graphics card type. you can find out with 'lspci | grep VGA' |
| 07:00.07 | whatever | Phated: no he means the card inside your computer |
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| 07:00.47 | WorkerII | peterS: Whenever I try to insert a module with modconf, I get this: FATAL: Failed to open config file /etc/modprobe.conf: No such file or directory |
| 07:00.48 | whatever | peterS: kick ass trick....man, how do you guys learn this stuff. |
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| 07:00.51 | zignig | Phated: more effective. |
| 07:01.01 | Phated | zignig: Thanks a lot! :P |
| 07:01.02 | peterS | whatever: years of unix / linux experience, I guess |
| 07:01.02 | zignig | Phated: :P 2u2 |
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| 07:01.07 | marinos | Active2: hmm do you have the sources you need ? |
| 07:01.17 | whatever | peterS: ...no fair. |
| 07:01.24 | peterS | WorkerII: maybe modconf *is* broken, then. I know module-init-tools did blow away modprobe.conf on purpose, though |
| 07:01.28 | marinos | Active2: ... in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:01.30 | Phated | whatever: Indeed. He's like a guru-in-a-can. |
| 07:01.30 | WorkerII | peterS : My first thought was to copy modprobe.conf.old to modprobe.conf .. then I thought it *might* be on purpose. |
| 07:01.38 | jmateos | is there any application on debioan for setting up the network? |
| 07:01.39 | Active2 | marinos: deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 07:01.43 | shadedancer | WorkerII, haven't got any modprobe.conf file anymore, hm... not shure if I want to fudge with it at the _beginning_ of me workday, me boss might get upset. |
| 07:01.43 | Guerin | peterS: ok. That seemed to work. |
| 07:01.47 | whatever | Phated: ...maybe you can buy him at the store and take him home |
| 07:01.50 | peterS | Guerin: cool |
| 07:01.54 | Phated | whatever: Hell, yeah! |
| 07:02.04 | WorkerII | shadedancer : So it doesn't work for you either? |
| 07:02.05 | whatever | crap |
| 07:02.11 | Guerin | peterS: it's configuring, anyway. I need some more dev libs, but that's no drama. |
| 07:02.12 | marinos | Active2: are you sure you are on stable ? |
| 07:02.18 | g4lt | peterS does that mean you're a slut? |
| 07:02.19 | whatever | lol |
| 07:02.23 | Phated | peterS: Let's go euphemistic and say I'll hire you as a -consultant-. |
| 07:02.24 | whatever | rofl |
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| 07:02.28 | peterS | Phated: ah, ok (: |
| 07:02.34 | The_Vulture | at least 0.01% peterS by mass |
| 07:02.34 | marinos | Active2: security updates are only for stable |
| 07:02.38 | peterS | The_Vulture: hehe |
| 07:02.39 | vernunft | ´ó¼ÒºÃ |
| 07:02.57 | marinos | vernunft: sei vernueftig |
| 07:03.09 | Phated | The_Vulture: Good enough, for my purposes. |
| 07:03.14 | vernunft | was ist das? |
| 07:03.18 | whatever | Phated: most actions? |
| 07:03.27 | The_Vulture | whatever: /mes |
| 07:03.27 | Active2 | marinos: http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/php4 <- this is the version i use dpkg -l php4 shows: 4.1.2-6woody3 |
| 07:03.31 | peterS | whatever: http://debstats.dontexist.org/ - search for 'actions' |
| 07:03.45 | shadedancer | worker, here it is, from changelog: |
| 07:03.56 | shadedancer | WorkerII, " * Now /etc/modprobe.d/ is processed by modprobe. This means that |
| 07:03.56 | shadedancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.56 | shadedancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.56 | shadedancer | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:03.56 | shadedancer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:04.17 | shadedancer | sorry |
| 07:04.36 | Active2 | marinos: confusing isn't it ? |
| 07:04.51 | marinos | Active2: indeet |
| 07:04.54 | peterS | yeah really. stop it, all of you. |
| 07:04.55 | whatever | Phated: anyways, what did that lspci return? |
| 07:05.08 | Phated | whatever: I'm on Windows right now... |
| 07:05.10 | Active2 | marinos: it's also not on hold |
| 07:05.10 | whatever | lol |
| 07:05.34 | Phated | No, not th ' ', n v r th ' '!!! |
| 07:05.43 | whatever | Phated: me too. I'm puttying into the server in the basement. |
| 07:05.58 | thoreauputic | Phated: very good! |
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| 07:06.02 | whatever | Phated: once I master the X, I'll migrate over |
| 07:06.09 | Phated | whatever: Somehow, I doubt I can putty into my own box... :) |
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| 07:06.16 | Phated | thoreauputic: Haha. |
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| 07:06.30 | marinos | Active2: but it doesnt make any difference you may also use a mixed debian system with stable,testing, unstable in it so that you may use a woody package and other stuff from testing etc |
| 07:06.31 | dan2 | thomas_adam: ping |
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| 07:06.45 | Phated | No one should DARE remove the e from anyone's keyboard... It's akin to DEATH to a IRCer. |
| 07:06.55 | peterS | Phated: well, you can get an idea what manner of graphics card you have, even in Windows. in fact, you can get the exact information but it's kind of difficult |
| 07:07.02 | marinos | heh |
| 07:07.06 | whatever | ah, well, my name isn't even registerd...let alone do I know how to register it. lol, so whatever. |
| 07:07.11 | dan2 | wtf is a function prototype? |
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| 07:07.17 | Phated | peterS: I guess, and I'd rather do it from Debian, anyway... |
| 07:07.25 | peterS | thoreauputic,SlayerXP: please stop with the superfluous /me. very very very very very very annoying. thank you. |
| 07:07.31 | whatever | Phated: install ssh, and get the program putty...you can find it on google. good stuff |
| 07:07.43 | Active2 | marinos: i use some stuff from unstable yes such as postfix or cyrus21 but i think it hasn't todo anything with php4 |
| 07:07.45 | WorkerII | peterS : What did you call the package that might have broken modconf? init-tools-modules or something? |
| 07:07.45 | peterS | whatever: umm. maybe you missed the fact that she was dual-booting a *single* computer |
| 07:07.47 | dan2 | peterS: ? |
| 07:07.47 | skaught | dan2: You prototype the name and type and arguments so that it can be called before it's defined |
| 07:07.54 | whatever | peterS: it just clicked |
| 07:08.09 | peterS | whatever: no amount of ssh will get you from the Windows boot into the Linux boot |
| 07:08.10 | SlayerXP | peters: more or less annoying than me pointing out that I now own a dual opteron 242? |
| 07:08.13 | dan2 | skaught: like int foo (char *bar) |
| 07:08.22 | Phated | whatever: I can't putty into the same machine I'm on... |
| 07:08.32 | skaught | dan2: It's a statement, it requires a semi-colon at the end. |
| 07:08.32 | peterS | SlayerXP: about the same. you can go join dan2 in #masturbate_with_new_hardware |
| 07:08.39 | helix | bwahaha |
| 07:08.43 | Guerin | Phated: you can if it runs a sshd |
| 07:08.47 | whatever | peterS: maybe if windows craps up REALLY badly and the good takes over and ...... |
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| 07:08.53 | marinos | Active2: hmm but you have the system set as stable dont you ? |
| 07:08.55 | SlayerXP | peters: did I mention the 3ware 4 channel raid card? and the 4 200gb sata disks? |
| 07:08.56 | thoreauputic | wow - two /me's and we get told it's superfluous. Serious |
| 07:08.59 | Phated | Guerin: Er, when the Debian partition's inactive? Really? |
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| 07:09.06 | peterS | SlayerXP: I think you and dan2 will get along *very* well |
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| 07:09.07 | whatever | Phated: your dumpling? |
| 07:09.11 | WorkerII | peterS : I want to report it as a bug, so that init-tools doesn't go to sarge, before its fixed. |
| 07:09.11 | Guerin | Phated: you can run a sshd under windows. |
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| 07:09.23 | Guerin | !dict dumpling |
| 07:09.25 | Phated | whatever: It's rice and meat, let's not get euphemistic here. |
| 07:09.27 | SlayerXP | peters: the less said about the radeon 9800xt the better then, I suspect. |
| 07:09.27 | dpkg | Dictionary 'dumpling' (4 shown; 13 total): 3. (Geol.) The exterior portion of the earth, formerly universally supposed to inclose a molten interior. ;; He that keeps nor crust nor crumb. --Shak. ;; I have known the statute of an emperor quite hid under a crust of dross. --Addison. ;; Below this icy crust of conformity, the waters of infidelity lay dark and deep as ever. --Prescott.. |
| 07:09.27 | peterS | WorkerII: it's not module-init-tools at fault. if anything, the bug is in modconf |
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| 07:09.39 | whatever | Phated: ...rice is good tho, I love rice. |
| 07:09.40 | Active2 | marinos: yes it's a stable system |
| 07:09.42 | Phated | Guerin: I cannot possibly ssh from one boot into another... |
| 07:09.50 | Phated | whatever: Yeah, it's good. |
| 07:09.54 | whatever | Phated: use the force. |
| 07:09.56 | Guerin | Phated: no. But that's not what you said :) |
| 07:09.59 | WorkerII | peterS : No, modconf worked until the update .. .. so the fault is *both* in modconf and module-init-tools. :-) |
| 07:10.00 | nsadmin | SlayerXP: why? something wrong with the card? |
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| 07:10.02 | Phated | Guerin: :P |
| 07:10.10 | peterS | Phated: well, if you do want to determine your graphics card type in Windows: right-click 'My Computer', go to 'Properties', then find 'Device Manager' (exact location varies with the Windows version) then hit 'View / Devices by connection' |
| 07:10.12 | Phated | Guerin: You know I run a duak-boot... |
| 07:10.13 | SlayerXP | nsadmin: yes, too damn fast |
| 07:10.23 | WorkerII | peterS : At least as I see it. |
| 07:10.25 | Guerin | Phated: yeah, I know, I was just being persnickety. |
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| 07:10.26 | nsadmin | what's the problem there? :) |
| 07:10.31 | peterS | Phated: then navigate into your PCI bus until you find your PCI/AGP bridge with the video card in it |
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| 07:10.39 | Phated | peterS: Ahh, shall do that. |
| 07:10.44 | Phated | Guerin: I like that word. |
| 07:10.49 | Guerin | my other box still has a 3G hdd with winxp on it which never gets used |
| 07:10.59 | fcrick | how to I tell which rcX.d i'm currently set up to use (where do i change it i guess)? |
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| 07:11.03 | whatever | peterS, Phated: or just simply right click on the desktop, go to properties and go to the settings tab. |
| 07:11.13 | Phated | whatever: I am no Jedi. |
| 07:11.17 | g4lt | peterS wouldn't that be painful, navigating along solder tracks? |
| 07:11.19 | jcm | hi, i use xcdroast to burn data dvds (backups); my locale is 8859-1, and despite numerous tries i cannot get the right options set to obtain the accentuated chars in filenames :( |
| 07:11.27 | peterS | whatever: that can work too, true |
| 07:11.28 | Guerin | peterS: huzzah, mutt just built without any grave and ugly errors |
| 07:11.29 | skaught | fcrick: /etc/inittab |
| 07:11.35 | fcrick | skaughtL thanks! |
| 07:11.36 | Phated | g4lt: That's what real men do. :) |
| 07:11.38 | whatever | Phated: well...you have to start somewhere. ;) |
| 07:11.40 | peterS | Guerin: keep tooling away at it, see if it actually *works* |
| 07:11.50 | WorkerII | peterS : module-init-tools ... thanks. |
| 07:11.54 | nsadmin | jcm: do you have an ide burner? (so do I, asking to see how I can burn) |
| 07:12.08 | jcm | nsadmin: yes, with kernel 2.6.6 |
| 07:12.18 | jcm | burning works well, simply the charset is badly set |
| 07:12.21 | nsadmin | do you still need scsi emu? |
| 07:12.23 | Phated | whatever: Nahhh, we cyber-people use our machines as ovens too. AND, it carries the heat away so nicely too! Law of conservation of energy. |
| 07:12.32 | whatever | ...my body screams out that I need to re-hydrate myself......alas, I need a resivoir of water to quench my thirst. |
| 07:12.34 | jcm | no, directly /dev/hdc |
| 07:12.41 | Phated | whatever: Use the Force. :P |
| 07:12.47 | jcm | xcdroast complains but works |
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| 07:12.48 | peterS | Phated: I thought 'conservation of energy' had more to do with sitting on our butts all day long rather than getting out and *doing* stuff |
| 07:12.56 | Phated | peterS: Ha! |
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| 07:13.19 | whatever | Phated: yeah, its no good when your room turns into the oven when its 90F out. ...lol, nice. nice. |
| 07:13.25 | Phated | No, no, it has to do with how the heat from the monitors gets transferred into the dumplig... |
| 07:13.25 | Guerin | peterS: I shalle. |
| 07:13.27 | nsadmin | conservation means whatever comes in has to go out |
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| 07:13.39 | helix | umm |
| 07:13.39 | Phated | whatever: Heh. |
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| 07:13.53 | whatever | yeah, well my dumpling is sweating right now, I'm going to go and get some water. |
| 07:14.00 | nsadmin | it's a physics or maybe chemestry thing |
| 07:14.05 | whatever | ...with my force powers. yes yes. |
| 07:14.05 | Phated | Physics. |
| 07:14.13 | peterS | nsadmin: I suspect everyone in this discussion is aware of that |
| 07:14.35 | Phated | OK, graphics card is a Matrox MGA-200 AGP... Which I knew, so hmmm... |
| 07:14.45 | peterS | Phated: heh, ok. that's the "mga" driver for XFree86 |
| 07:14.46 | skaught | Chemistry IS physics... |
| 07:14.47 | g4lt | peterS I thought it was a Natural Philosophy thing... ;P |
| 07:14.51 | whatever | Phated: sexy sexy |
| 07:14.52 | peterS | Phated: just to make sure that's what you picked last time, and all |
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| 07:14.54 | nsadmin | yes, that's true |
| 07:15.11 | nsadmin | but physics includes other stuff |
| 07:15.21 | Phated | peterS: Hm... Now, where/when would I select that? |
| 07:15.28 | whatever | nsadmin: ...like why a tree kills you when it falls on you. |
| 07:15.32 | Phated | whatever: Glad you approve. :) |
| 07:15.34 | whatever | Phated: xf86config |
| 07:15.36 | peterS | Phated: 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' - it will ask you to pick that from a list |
| 07:15.42 | Phated | Ah... |
| 07:15.47 | whatever | Phated: his looks cooler |
| 07:15.49 | peterS | whatever: no no no. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is ever so much nicer |
| 07:15.55 | nsadmin | that's for a medical examiner to determine :) |
| 07:16.00 | whatever | peterS: true true true |
| 07:16.03 | nsadmin | "yep, it was a tree!" |
| 07:16.09 | g4lt | whatever I always thought it was the fact that I followed up by running screaming at them with the Axe.... |
| 07:16.13 | helix | !be bob2 |
| 07:16.14 | dpkg | helix: I'm going to bed, RIGHT NOW |
| 07:16.17 | peterS | ha |
| 07:16.19 | helix | doh. it changed. |
| 07:16.19 | Phated | whatever: Hah, true. |
| 07:16.24 | helix | @be bob2 |
| 07:16.26 | ravenbird | helix: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:16.35 | whatever | O.o |
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| 07:16.42 | fooz | zzz |
| 07:16.43 | Phated | 0.o. |
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| 07:16.58 | whatever | oh right, I was going to get water. |
| 07:17.09 | nsadmin | so how do I fix modconf? |
| 07:17.13 | whatever | dang you people and you're amusement to me |
| 07:17.15 | Phated | Use the Force, young whatever. |
| 07:17.19 | whatever | lol |
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| 07:17.25 | Phated | Anyways, I need water too. |
| 07:17.29 | peterS | nsadmin: is there a bug in the BTS for it yet? |
| 07:17.37 | nsadmin | I think so |
| 07:18.01 | peterS | nsadmin: then read that bug report. see if it comes with a patch. if not ... write one yourself. |
| 07:18.04 | Phated | And is back. |
| 07:18.16 | whatever | no, I never left yet. |
| 07:18.26 | Phated | Damnit, I meant to start WinAMP half an hour ago... DAMN YOU, #debian...! |
| 07:18.32 | nsadmin | that's what I want to do... but if someone here did it, speak up! |
| 07:18.39 | helix | "winamp" |
| 07:18.45 | helix | you are in no position to be cursing us. |
| 07:18.58 | Phated | Yes, yes, I know. |
| 07:19.06 | peterS | hey, at least winamp v3 finally got native ogg vorbis |
| 07:19.08 | SlayerXP | !lose phated |
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| 07:19.09 | dpkg | phated: You Lose. |
| 07:19.24 | Phated | peterS: True enough. |
| 07:19.24 | Phated | :| |
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| 07:19.44 | whatever | WATER! |
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| 07:19.54 | whatever | aahaha, mwilsons avatar is hilarious! |
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| 07:20.08 | whatever | aah! my eyes! my eyes! |
| 07:20.08 | fooz | peterS, why use winamp 3? |
| 07:20.15 | Phated | peterS: Yes, it is. I SWEAR. |
| 07:20.17 | nsadmin | it's only water :) |
| 07:20.20 | whatever | dude, winamp3 blows |
| 07:20.22 | fooz | yeah |
| 07:20.23 | nsadmin | I swear! |
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| 07:20.32 | fooz | winamp2 had vorbis a year ago, anyway |
| 07:20.36 | whatever | 5.03c is better than any version 3 |
| 07:20.38 | helix | what the hell |
| 07:20.42 | peterS | fooz: yeah but you had to download a plugin |
| 07:20.46 | fooz | i never had to |
| 07:20.48 | The_Vulture | water water everywhere and not a drop to drink \ water water everywhere and all the boards did shrink.. |
| 07:20.59 | peterS | The_Vulture: ummm. that's backwards. |
| 07:21.00 | nsadmin | aol isn't that great, but aolserver is quite nice |
| 07:21.03 | whatever | The_vulture: ...suck the boards. |
| 07:21.05 | Phated | whatever: Er, as far as I know, 5.03's cool. |
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| 07:21.16 | whatever | Phated: it still has issues |
| 07:21.18 | The_Vulture | peterS: indeed you may be right, it's been a while |
| 07:21.19 | fooz | anyway i don't use winamp anymore :) |
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| 07:21.26 | peterS | The_Vulture: also, "nor any drop to drink" |
| 07:21.29 | fooz | i'm going to try and write MP3 decoding routines in C# |
| 07:21.30 | helix | fooz: do you use cplay? |
| 07:21.35 | whatever | Phated: not NEARLY as bad......what the hell, why are we discussing microsoft based stuff in here? thats like a mortal sin. |
| 07:21.37 | The_Vulture | peterS: ;) |
| 07:21.38 | Phated | whatever: Yeah, but soo much better than 3.** |
| 07:21.42 | fooz | sos I can write my own player |
| 07:21.44 | Phated | whatever: Hah! |
| 07:21.49 | whatever | Phated: agreed |
| 07:21.56 | gurrag | a good firewall (software) to install on a box running as web/mail server would be? |
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| 07:22.07 | zouhair | fooz: better make a linux version of foobar2000 |
| 07:22.09 | fooz | helix, nah i use xmms priimarily |
| 07:22.10 | nsadmin | revert?! blasfamie! |
| 07:22.14 | fooz | zouhair, what's that? |
| 07:22.18 | helix | oh well |
| 07:22.27 | peterS | gurrag: the best firewall is just ... not running software you don't intend for the world to have network access to |
| 07:22.27 | whatever | lol |
| 07:22.28 | zouhair | fooz: a VERY VERY nice music player |
| 07:22.35 | Phated | nsadmin: No, no, as far as topics go. |
| 07:22.35 | fooz | what's so nice about it? |
| 07:22.38 | Guerin | helix: cplay was skipping for me last night while playing mp3 off cd. |
| 07:22.49 | zouhair | fooz: http://www.foobar2000.org/ |
| 07:22.55 | helix | Guerin: hmm. I don't play anything from cd.. |
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| 07:23.04 | Guerin | helix: well, it just calls mpg321/123, so I guess it wasn't cplay's fault really. |
| 07:23.11 | gurrag | peters: so you mean i don't need it if i don't have services running that allows access? |
| 07:23.19 | fooz | my requirements are that it does the basic XMMS stuff (OSS, Alsa, mp3, cd audio, playlist, crossfade, responsive interface) |
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| 07:23.21 | elwood | gurrag, also iptables |
| 07:23.21 | gurrag | peters: i would still like a fw :) |
| 07:23.23 | peterS | gurrag: what do you think a firewall would block, other than network services you are running? |
| 07:23.29 | zouhair | fooz: extremely configurable, and the fact that it's a player is just one of it's thousands of great functions |
| 07:23.31 | nsadmin | fooz: and support for jack? |
| 07:23.41 | siimo | hi anyone here know how to use Ruby language? |
| 07:23.41 | zouhair | fooz: and what about mpc ? |
| 07:23.43 | fooz | don't need jack support |
| 07:23.44 | tipx | anyone tried Nvu the htmll editor? |
| 07:23.46 | gurrag | peters: it just adds a layer of protection |
| 07:23.46 | peterS | gurrag: if you aren't running those services, your computer already rejects packets for them |
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| 07:23.58 | fooz | i just need a basic player that doesn't suck |
| 07:24.02 | nsadmin | siimo: if I wanted to start, I'd look for a tutorial |
| 07:24.03 | peterS | gurrag: it really doesn't |
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| 07:24.09 | fooz | xmms works except for buggy output plugins |
| 07:24.14 | exhaust | how do i extract a .tar.bz2? |
| 07:24.15 | zouhair | fooz: mpg321 |
| 07:24.17 | gurrag | peters: and i would like some rules like who can connect to ssh and so on |
| 07:24.17 | thoreauputic | tipx: yes - very much like mozilla composer, unsurprisingly |
| 07:24.19 | peterS | exhaust: tar xjf |
| 07:24.23 | fooz | mpg321 doesn't even support alsa |
| 07:24.29 | zouhair | exhaust: tar tvfj a.tar.bz2 |
| 07:24.31 | siimo | nsadmin, yes but i cant figure out how to get the ruby terminal in debian if i type ruby nothing happens |
| 07:24.36 | zouhair | exhaust: tar xvfj a.tar.bz2 |
| 07:24.36 | nsadmin | exhaust: you first undo the bz2 |
| 07:24.37 | fooz | i'm going to write my own mp3 decoder |
| 07:24.40 | whatever | I forget, when the screen goes into power save mode: is that a BIOS thing or linux config thing? |
| 07:24.41 | gurrag | peters: can i do that with iptables? |
| 07:24.41 | nsadmin | then you undo the tar |
| 07:24.43 | tipx | thoreauputic: you find it better or something then bluefish? |
| 07:24.45 | Guerin | fooz: why should it, when oss emulation is still standard? |
| 07:24.57 | peterS | gurrag: only based on IP addresses, I think |
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| 07:25.06 | fooz | oss emulation is stupid. they're throwing oss out soon. alsa is the future |
| 07:25.17 | nsadmin | Guerin: jack should be the standard, or something like it |
| 07:25.21 | gurrag | ok... |
| 07:25.22 | fooz | alsa's much more powerful, anyway |
| 07:25.31 | thoreauputic | tipx: I'm not an html person so I find it easy to use but mozilla's version is almost the same anyway |
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| 07:25.35 | mwilson | Feh... I'll use ALSA when there's a reason to. |
| 07:25.39 | gurrag | peters: is there any good firewalls i could check out? just in case... ;) |
| 07:25.52 | Phated | mwilson: Define "reason to". |
| 07:25.54 | peterS | gurrag: the Debian kernels already come with iptables |
| 07:25.54 | Guerin | nsadmin: why, when alsa supports multiple streams natively? |
| 07:25.54 | fooz | you can use alsa just like OSS if you don't need all the extra features |
| 07:25.54 | nsadmin | mwilson: oss not existing will probably be a reason :) |
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| 07:26.02 | fooz | i do need them though |
| 07:26.03 | peterS | gurrag: maybe what you are wanting is some sort of pretty gui looking frontend to configuring iptables? |
| 07:26.04 | yahya | can someone help me set up a deskjet 5550 on usb |
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| 07:26.11 | Rawplayer | Active2 ;p |
| 07:26.16 | thoreauputic | tipx: it's a newbie type html thing (wysiwyg) |
| 07:26.16 | siimo | ok i need irb |
| 07:26.18 | zouhair | fooz: what kind of extra features you need ? |
| 07:26.20 | gurrag | peters: nah... only have ssh access to the box anyway |
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| 07:26.26 | nsadmin | irb? |
| 07:26.29 | Phated | peterS: Don't diss the pretty GUI interfaces. :) |
| 07:26.30 | peterS | gurrag: try 'apt-cache search firewall gui' and see where that takes you. I don't use such things so I have no idea |
| 07:26.37 | tipx | thoreauputic: gosh.. uninstall needed then :) |
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| 07:26.45 | gurrag | peters: it's more to make my hosting company happy |
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| 07:26.55 | fooz | zouhair, the basic alsa features |
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| 07:27.10 | gurrag | peters: i need a text based fw because i'm not running x |
| 07:27.11 | zouhair | fooz: oss just do the same basic things |
| 07:27.15 | vernunft | exit |
| 07:27.19 | exhaust | how do i remove a directory? rm -df doesnt work? |
| 07:27.21 | mwilson | nsadmin: I don't think OSS is going anywhere any time soon. |
| 07:27.22 | fooz | zouhair, oss isn't the same at all |
| 07:27.27 | zouhair | sure |
| 07:27.28 | gurrag | rm -rf |
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| 07:27.47 | zouhair | exhaust: yes but becarefull with the -f option |
| 07:27.49 | peterS | gurrag: I told you, the firewall itself would be iptables. it's already shipped with your kernel, unless you are still using a woody 2.2.20 kernel, in which case the firewall implementation is an older package called ipchains. |
| 07:27.53 | nsadmin | Guerin: because most of the pro audio stuff supports jack (ardour, ssm, ladspa plugins, etc) |
| 07:27.53 | fooz | zouhair, in alsa you specify devices named like 'soundblaster' or 'hw:0,0' or 'surround:soundblaster' |
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| 07:28.09 | zouhair | fooz: for what purpose ? |
| 07:28.14 | gurrag | peters: alright, thanks! i will go read about it :) |
| 07:28.27 | whatever | crap, this is so annoying! I can get xload to start when I add it to .xsession, but if I try and add feh it won't work. argh! |
| 07:28.32 | nsadmin | mwilson: time will tell... linus probably wants to throw it out by now |
| 07:28.39 | skaught | nsadmin: hahaha that's hardly "pro" audio |
| 07:28.40 | fooz | zouhair, you can make virtual devices that are composed of one or more physical devices, or multiplex the same physical device to many clients |
| 07:28.43 | Guerin | while many people are still using 2.4 kernels on a daily basis, OSS is here to stay |
| 07:28.54 | Guerin | like ipchains with 2.2 kernels |
| 07:29.01 | deadcat | whatever: use "&" ? |
| 07:29.03 | zouhair | exhaust: no its rm -rf the_directory_to_erase |
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| 07:29.07 | dan2 | is there anyway to force linebreaks in docbook? |
| 07:29.11 | whatever | deadcat: yep |
| 07:29.14 | fooz | jack is a way to get audio between programs. it has nothing to do with alsa |
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| 07:29.22 | nsadmin | skaught: are you comparing to stuff that doesn't run under linux? or is there new stuff? |
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| 07:29.28 | nsadmin | fooz: yeah |
| 07:29.28 | Guerin | dan2: arbitrarily? |
| 07:29.29 | fooz | it's the same as ReWire under Windows |
| 07:29.30 | deadcat | whatever: none of us have that prob. |
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| 07:29.36 | dan2 | Guerin: after a statement or something |
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| 07:29.46 | whatever | deadcat: isn't that convenient. |
| 07:29.50 | skaught | nsadmin: I'm saying that pro audio users don't run linux |
| 07:29.55 | dan2 | !dict arbitrarly |
| 07:29.57 | dpkg | could not find definition for arbitrarly |
| 07:29.59 | skaught | nsadmin: on DAWs at least |
| 07:30.08 | Phated | skaught: and pro Linux users have no need for audio. ;) |
| 07:30.13 | dan2 | !dict arbitrarily |
| 07:30.15 | dpkg | Dictionary 'arbitrarily' in a random manner; "the houses were randomly scattered"; "bullets were fired into the crowd at random" |
| 07:30.16 | nsadmin | it is a hassle to make your own daw |
| 07:30.17 | g4lt | skaught taht's kind of a heavy statement to prove |
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| 07:30.24 | Guerin | dan2: the stylesheet controls what happens before and after any given type of markup |
| 07:30.37 | nsadmin | but it can be quite nice if you can get it to be stable |
| 07:30.42 | dan2 | Guerin: heh, but I need to enforce some stuff, I guess I could use screen |
| 07:30.48 | whatever | Phated: you speak blastphemous words against the piles of amassed mp3's us linux users have. |
| 07:30.58 | felis | !dict beveled |
| 07:31.00 | dpkg | Dictionary 'beveled' (2 shown): Bevel \Bev"el\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Beveled (?) or Bevelled; p. pr. & vb. n. Beveling or Bevelling.] To cut to a bevel angle; to slope the edge or surface of. ;; . Beveled \Bev"eled\, Bevelled \Bev"elled\, a. 1. Formed to a bevel angle; sloping; as, the beveled edge of a table.. |
| 07:31.02 | nsadmin | on top of which I like editing features in logic |
| 07:31.04 | Phated | whatever: Yeah, I know, I have quite some myself. |
| 07:31.06 | Phated | :) |
| 07:31.18 | Phated | whatever: Also, blasphemous. |
| 07:31.18 | Guerin | dan2: so I don't think you can just randomly put some lineebreaks into your text, you'd need to find an attribute which actually means something |
| 07:31.25 | fooz | skaught, who defines 'pro'? |
| 07:31.38 | fooz | skaught, and how many albums under major labels have you produced? |
| 07:31.39 | fooz | heh |
| 07:31.52 | whatever | Phated: what, download illegal content off the net? never! |
| 07:31.52 | skaught | fooz: Under major labels? None, under others, various. |
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| 07:32.14 | debian | What do you read for sci things. I heard newscientist.com is shit... |
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| 07:32.35 | skaught | g4lt: Any software on Linux doesn't interface with hardware that's up to par to produce professional level audio. |
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| 07:32.42 | skaught | g4lt: Yet. |
| 07:32.52 | Phated | debian: Er, search on scirus.com? |
| 07:32.58 | fooz | yeah, each of my friends with his own $300 second hand multitrack has his own "other" label |
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| 07:33.18 | fooz | linux is just an OS and you can run whatever tools you want under it |
| 07:33.18 | Phated | fooz: Zing! |
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| 07:33.24 | nsadmin | skaught: yes, exactly: yet (but alsa has hammerfall drivers...) |
| 07:33.28 | fooz | if Max or Pd are your tools, linux will run them same as Windows |
| 07:33.29 | skaught | fooz: Are you saying that the majorness of a label depicts the quality of product? |
| 07:33.53 | g4lt | skaught I'm not even going to point out the myriads of linux programs that DO |
| 07:33.56 | nsadmin | skaught: if you take that general idea to its logical conclusion... |
| 07:33.58 | whatever | curses.....this blows. |
| 07:34.13 | whatever | it hates me! |
| 07:34.25 | Phated | whatever: Relax. Breathe. And use the Force. |
| 07:34.26 | peterS | whatever: yeah, we poisoned its mind against you |
| 07:34.29 | fooz | skaught, 00:29 < skaught> nsadmin: hahaha that's hardly "pro" audio |
| 07:34.36 | fooz | skaught, i'm saying how stupid that comment was, is all |
| 07:34.45 | nsadmin | skaught: are you saying that the majorness of an os depicts the quality of product? :) |
| 07:34.50 | fooz | anyway, i've got some coding to do |
| 07:34.56 | skaught | nsadmin: Nope, the applications available do. |
| 07:35.03 | Phated | nsadmin: Good one. |
| 07:35.09 | whatever | Phated, peterS: ...I find comfort in both of your words. |
| 07:35.16 | debian | Phated: thanks. This one is new to me. |
| 07:35.26 | peterS | whatever: that's what we're here for |
| 07:35.33 | whatever | lol |
| 07:35.36 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.37 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.37 | skaught | fooz: Well, anybody in the industry doesn't and can't use Linux for their work. So that's what I'm basing it on. Quality product doesn't get produced on Linux DAWs yet is all |
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| 07:36.14 | deadcat | i see some dude with hands up.. |
| 07:36.17 | fooz | skaught, and you know how every product in existence was produced? and I guess you're the only one who can specify whether something is "Quality" or not? |
| 07:36.20 | g4lt | skaught professional product doesn't ues ANY OS |
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| 07:36.38 | skaught | g4lt: Clearly it doesn't, so then my statement is still true |
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| 07:36.45 | g4lt | skaught professional product uses a professional and a mixing board |
| 07:36.53 | skaught | g4lt: But the stuff that does INTERFACE with OSes runs on Mac/PC |
| 07:36.54 | whatever | fooz: maybe he is the guy that determines whats quality and whats not. lol |
| 07:37.02 | nsadmin | fooz: he's got the idea... you have to admit that the commercial products have better editing features |
| 07:37.14 | Active2 | Rawplayer: da's niet om te lachen :X |
| 07:37.20 | Rawplayer | ;p |
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| 07:37.36 | nsadmin | whatever: yeah, that's what producers do, they determine production values |
| 07:37.39 | fooz | nsadmin, i can't admit anything. I don't know :P but sweeping statements are pretty dumb |
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| 07:38.09 | nsadmin | fooz: agreed... logic is definitely pretty nice for editing |
| 07:38.16 | g4lt | skaught if it uses OTC equipment, it's not professional |
| 07:38.32 | nsadmin | it has its quirks and gui bugs, but they're not hard to work around |
| 07:38.33 | whatever | logic? who needs logic when you have the FORCE. |
| 07:38.35 | skaught | g4lt: ??? What do you call Pro-Tools? |
| 07:38.38 | g4lt | hint: Macs and PCs are OTC |
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| 07:38.46 | peterS | if you *really* want pro audio, I guess you buy a Pro Audio Spectrum, right? I mean, the name says it all, surely |
| 07:38.48 | g4lt | skaught marketing |
| 07:38.57 | nsadmin | whatever: logic, the audio/midi production suite |
| 07:38.58 | skaught | g4lt: Right. Then what is SSL? |
| 07:39.07 | whatever | nsadmin: oh, lol! |
| 07:39.09 | g4lt | skaught BAD marketing |
| 07:39.10 | skaught | And that's the board, not the encryption... |
| 07:39.45 | nsadmin | pro audio spectrum? isn't that an old soundcard? |
| 07:40.01 | fooz | my music friends build or code a lot of their own equipment/software |
| 07:40.01 | peterS | nsadmin: yes. very old. it competed with the SB16, I think. |
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| 07:40.13 | skaught | g4lt: Well the top studios in the US run Pro-Tools for digital (or stick to tape). So maybe they're just not "getting it", but that's an indication of "pro" because they're the ones making the money |
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| 07:40.27 | nsadmin | skaught: protools was needed when machines were too slow to do native dsp |
| 07:40.40 | fooz | nsadmin has read the ardour page :D |
| 07:40.42 | fooz | hehe |
| 07:40.46 | g4lt | skaught uhm, no. they haven't used protools in decades |
| 07:40.48 | whatever | peterS: oh right, I remember that thing from back in the days of keen commander |
| 07:41.02 | nsadmin | yeah, I built ardour, took a coupla days to get it right |
| 07:41.05 | whatever | rather...commander keen |
| 07:41.09 | peterS | whatever: basically, yeah. it came with a SCSI interface, actually, which you could plug a SCSI CD-ROM into |
| 07:41.20 | peterS | whatever: there is even a SCSI driver in the Linux kernel for it |
| 07:41.29 | fooz | who needs pro tools when machines are so fast? |
| 07:41.31 | whatever | peterS: ...impressive. |
| 07:41.34 | skaught | g4lt: That's bullshit, what do they use? |
| 07:41.49 | skaught | nsadmin: Ok, pro-tools le DOES native processing |
| 07:41.52 | fooz | just get some nice cards to handle all the inputs and outputs and do the rest in software |
| 07:41.56 | nsadmin | fooz: yes, I did read the page, and that's where the info comes from... but it's no less true :) |
| 07:41.57 | g4lt | skaught nowadays, they use purpose-built ASICS more often than not |
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| 07:42.18 | skaught | fooz: And you can't processing 128 tracks of 192hz audio with your mom's P3 |
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| 07:42.28 | skaught | g4lt: Not all |
| 07:42.35 | Nurbs | 192hz audio sounds easy :) |
| 07:42.36 | fooz | 192hz is pretty low frequency |
| 07:42.37 | fooz | heh |
| 07:42.48 | nsadmin | 192hz isn't good enough for a bad phone connection :) |
| 07:42.52 | peterS | skaught: come now. is there *really* any need for 192 kHz (I assume you meant kHz)? at what point do the returns diminish down to zero? |
| 07:42.59 | g4lt | skaught you just pointed out that you couldn't use ANY GP processor for the tyep of stuff you want to do |
| 07:43.01 | whatever | feck.....if I can't get this to work I'll commit seppuku infront of everyone. |
| 07:43.03 | zinx | 192hz might let you hear the rumbling in the background |
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| 07:43.09 | fooz | heh |
| 07:43.12 | nsadmin | peterS: cymbals, for one |
| 07:43.15 | skaught | g4lt: Then my statement stands!!! |
| 07:43.18 | eeyore- | joy. i've been plagued with "nfs server not responding" lately. it's not a normal error though. server's fine. NIC cards are fine. dual athlon board. i'm trying -mm7 patch right now to see if it addresses any apic issues |
| 07:43.24 | eeyore- | this really REALLY sucks :-p |
| 07:43.25 | nailbiter | zinx: and some kinds of subsonic elephant communication. :) |
| 07:43.30 | fooz | yeh |
| 07:43.39 | Phated | skaught: I want to hear nothing bad about P3's, you hear that? |
| 07:43.39 | fooz | i don't think skaught knows what he's talking about anymore |
| 07:43.45 | peterS | nsadmin: you can't hear past around 20 kHz. if you quadruple that ... I cannot imagine anyone can pick up harmonics past 80 kHz or so |
| 07:44.02 | whatever | you don't get much of a rumble around 192hz |
| 07:44.04 | Nurbs | peterS: not really for listening, no, but it's worth it for mixing |
| 07:44.05 | g4lt | skaught IF YOU CANNOT USE A GENERAL PURPOSE PROCESSOR TO DO THE WORK WHO THE FUCK CARES THAT YOU CAN'T GET AN OS TO DO IT? |
| 07:44.05 | torbjorn | i have a cdrom on an additional IDE controller - is there some way i can boot from it? bios seems unable to. |
| 07:44.20 | fooz | anyway, P3s are not really modern technology anymore |
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| 07:44.39 | fooz | it would be a waste to put say an RME Hammerfall in a P3 and try and use all of the inputs |
| 07:44.39 | skaught | By the way, 192hz is a SAMPLE rate, not general audio frequency... |
| 07:44.43 | Phated | fooz: Oh, hush, some of us work FINe with P3's, you got that? |
| 07:44.43 | peterS | g4lt: the point is that you have to buy specialised hardware to do this stuff. and that specialised hardware must be able to communicate with your workstation. this requires driver support, to say nothing of software support |
| 07:44.49 | whatever | pentium-pro forever! |
| 07:44.50 | Nurbs | skaught: : which are related |
| 07:44.50 | cyberyo | io |
| 07:44.51 | exhaust | is kernel-source-2.4.26.tar.bz2 the kernel source or only the headers? |
| 07:44.53 | nsadmin | yes, we understand that |
| 07:44.53 | peterS | skaught: yes, but the general frequency is like half that, right? |
| 07:45.01 | nailbiter | exhaust: it's the whole kernel source tree. |
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| 07:45.07 | nsadmin | exhaust: source |
| 07:45.11 | Nick0r | hi i'm having some trouble.... |
| 07:45.13 | Nick0r | Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 07:45.15 | Nick0r | php4-gd2: Depends: zendapi-20010901 |
| 07:45.17 | Nick0r | E: Sorry, broken packages |
| 07:45.18 | Phated | whatever: Damn straight, bruva! |
| 07:45.20 | zinx | peterS: maximum, yes... but there's some resolution loss near the nyquist frequency too |
| 07:45.24 | nailbiter | exhaust: you'll want the "kernel-headers-`uname -r`" if you're looking for headers for your running kernel. |
| 07:45.29 | whatever | Phated: lol |
| 07:45.29 | exhaust | i'm trying to complie the wlan-ng driver but it says that there only the headers? |
| 07:45.30 | eeyore- | what's this talk about specialised processors? |
| 07:45.44 | zinx | peterS: i'd hate to have a 96Hz nyquist frequency myself :) |
| 07:45.45 | Phated | whatever: Heh. |
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| 07:45.49 | peterS | zinx: perhaps. I still am finding it hard to believe that if I can't hear past 20 kHz, that you really need to be editing waveforms at 192 kHz |
| 07:46.02 | skaught | g4lt: My original statement was commentary about the level of audio in native processors in Linux, that's why. |
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| 07:46.04 | whatever | "my pentium pro can take your dual opterons any day" |
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| 07:46.24 | fooz | skaught, it's 192 kHz not 192 Hz |
| 07:46.25 | g4lt | skaught my point is that you cannot interface it at all |
| 07:46.26 | skaught | peterS: 192Hz... not k |
| 07:46.31 | Nurbs | peterS: try scaling the music in time or similar postprocessing |
| 07:46.34 | peterS | Phated: you should be aware, in case I was fooling you, that I have no experience or even much knowledge in audio editing |
| 07:46.36 | fooz | read the damn pro tools page |
| 07:46.36 | Phated | whatever: "I'll even take your double-teamed Athlon's" |
| 07:46.39 | zinx | skaught: you surely mean kHz |
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| 07:46.45 | fooz | if you're going to go around saying "OMFG!!! PRO TOOLS IS BETTER THAN YOU" |
| 07:46.46 | peterS | skaught: 192 Hz? how is that useful? I assumed this whole time that was just a typo |
| 07:46.47 | Phated | peterS: But you obviously know physics. |
| 07:46.57 | whatever | Phated: heh |
| 07:47.03 | peterS | Phated: not enough. these people know more than I do. I might be able to talk a good game but I can tell I'm outmatched |
| 07:47.04 | zinx | skaught: any p3 would have an easy time processing 128 streams that are 192Hz, unless they're like 50 billion channels each |
| 07:47.06 | skaught | peterS: no it was, kHz |
| 07:47.22 | Phated | peterS: Keep going, I'll pull out my physics text. |
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| 07:47.31 | nsadmin | skaught: the high end? the upper freq?? um, you need to go to music physics school bud :) |
| 07:47.32 | hafphun | Hi. it's not a good question, but when will sarge be stable? WHERE can I find Information about progress to geht Infos by myself about that? |
| 07:47.37 | whatever | skaught: ...make up your mind |
| 07:47.49 | nsadmin | ahh, he's finally correct |
| 07:47.56 | peterS | Phated: I can't even remember what Nyquist frequencies are. apparently those are important in this discussion, and I don't even know what they are. so I do think I'm pretty much bluffing here |
| 07:47.56 | g4lt | 192 Hz, can you even do anything useful with a 192 Hz stream? |
| 07:48.11 | Nurbs | g4lt: browse pr0n sites |
| 07:48.12 | peterS | g4lt: it's good for recording someone belching |
| 07:48.15 | Phated | peterS: It's OK. I bluff too, then I need to. |
| 07:48.21 | peterS | g4lt: or as a vertical refresh rate on a monitor |
| 07:48.21 | skaught | whatever: I'm sorry my typing isn't quite as good as this hour |
| 07:48.24 | fooz | peterS, hehe |
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| 07:48.58 | Phated | peterS: 192 Hz would be awesome vert-refresh, you know. :) |
| 07:49.00 | thoreauputic | hafphun: "when it's ready" I believe is the stock answer |
| 07:49.01 | nsadmin | Nurbs: that's slower than 300 baud! :) |
| 07:49.01 | fooz | there are many different levels of "Pro" |
| 07:49.12 | fooz | and Linux certainly could handle some of them on a DAW level |
| 07:49.21 | Phated | fooz: So which one is pro, then, if there are amny? |
| 07:49.27 | peterS | Phated: I know. I used to work in a field (VR) where 180 Hz would have been nice to be able to do |
| 07:49.27 | Phated | many* |
| 07:49.36 | Nurbs | nsadmin: that'll make people care more about quality instead of quantity :) |
| 07:49.38 | Nick0r | hrm wtf. |
| 07:49.38 | Nick0r | PHP Warning: Unknown(): Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so' - /usr/lib/php4/20020429/gd.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory in Unknown on line 0 |
| 07:49.38 | Nick0r | . |
| 07:49.39 | Phated | peterS: Cool, very cool. |
| 07:49.42 | skaught | fooz: if the software was available, certainly. That's all I was alluding to :) |
| 07:49.45 | nailbiter | peterS: from memory, i think it's a refefence to the Nyquist theorem, which says that sampling at rate N will capture all frequencies at or below N / 2 in the sample .. |
| 07:49.50 | fooz | skaught, there is software available |
| 07:49.52 | CerXo | Can anyone give me some info on what software to use for setting up a router/firewall that will also server DHCP? |
| 07:49.56 | peterS | Phated: our hardware could only do 96 Hz, and this was almost downright painful |
| 07:50.02 | nsadmin | but you'd need musicians that know enough about a linux box to be able to deal generallyu |
| 07:50.04 | skaught | fooz: Processing software? Or strictly editing |
| 07:50.05 | Phated | Ye-ouch, in VR? |
| 07:50.10 | peterS | nailbiter: sounds about right |
| 07:50.16 | fooz | skaught, editing, some processing |
| 07:50.16 | hafphun | thoreauputic: I knwo that answer ;) But there should be any progress-indicator, a list of packages to be changed or anything else. I dont' want a precise day... :) |
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| 07:50.29 | nsadmin | Nick0r: you're pasting, they probably don't like that here; dunno for sure |
| 07:50.31 | fooz | skaught, ardour has the first and is working on the second |
| 07:50.39 | peterS | Phated: the way many 3D display systems work, each eye effectively gets half the refresh frequency. so 96 Hz -> 48 Hz. which is pretty slow looking |
| 07:50.42 | Nick0r | how can I not paste? |
| 07:50.47 | Nick0r | it's an error message :| |
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| 07:50.55 | fooz | skaught, the author is real methodical and is going to get one thing right at a time so it doesn't end up a big buggy featureful mess |
| 07:50.57 | Nurbs | nailbiter: higher frequencies will also be wrapped around iirc |
| 07:51.00 | whatever | if the linux sound forge...or whatever it is that linux uses isn't up to par....that may affect my move over to linux on my desktop system |
| 07:51.00 | skaught | fooz: Editing is quite a bit simpler, processing is a little bit different... it wouldn't be any different to write plugins for Linux, but good ones just don't exist yet |
| 07:51.01 | nsadmin | invite someone to #flood |
| 07:51.05 | The_Vulture | Nick0r: you can paste it in #flood instead |
| 07:51.09 | Phated | peterS: Yeee-owch! Painful. |
| 07:51.14 | skaught | fooz: I agree, that's definitely the way to go |
| 07:51.25 | fooz | skaught, well, it's no problem to pipe stuff from linux to windows, process it there, and pipe it back |
| 07:51.30 | Nick0r | see #flood for my error |
| 07:51.31 | nsadmin | skaught: investigated all available ladspa plugins? |
| 07:51.46 | fooz | even alsa can pipe stuff directly to Windows |
| 07:51.50 | fooz | if you configure it to |
| 07:52.16 | nsadmin | there's that freeverb thing |
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| 07:52.23 | skaught | nsadmin: Ladspa doesn't nearly have enough |
| 07:52.29 | daboost | can someone tell me how i copy a whole directory with "cp" ? |
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| 07:52.42 | skaught | daboost: Use the recursive flag: cp -R directory |
| 07:52.43 | whatever | cp -R source dest |
| 07:52.44 | daboost | wich arguments en stuff |
| 07:52.45 | nsadmin | and not all of them are good |
| 07:52.46 | Phated | Here's an unelegant way of doing it: Zip it, and then copy it. |
| 07:52.49 | daboost | thx :p |
| 07:52.51 | Guerin | daboost: man cp |
| 07:52.54 | fooz | my friends tend to use analogue devices to do processing ;) |
| 07:52.54 | g4lt | daboost man cp |
| 07:52.59 | Guerin | daboost: it;s not hard, mate |
| 07:53.08 | daboost | i know but i couldnt find |
| 07:53.10 | daboost | :( |
| 07:53.13 | skaught | nsadmin: A framework like that is a start though |
| 07:53.26 | g4lt | daboost /recursive in the manpage |
| 07:53.29 | skaught | nsadmin: like VST |
| 07:53.39 | peterS | daboost: my favorite way: 'cp -ax' |
| 07:53.42 | nsadmin | I was gonna buy a copy of vst |
| 07:53.44 | peterS | daboost: but both -a and -x are GNU extensions, I think, so don't try this on OpenBSD or whatever |
| 07:53.50 | whatever | o.O |
| 07:53.52 | nsadmin | having been a cubase owner |
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| 07:54.02 | nsadmin | but I went with logic instead |
| 07:54.10 | fooz | cp -r works about as good on BSD |
| 07:54.13 | whatever | holy crap its 4am |
| 07:54.13 | daboost | ic |
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| 07:54.27 | peterS | fooz: does it maintain ownership and permissions, like gnu cp -a does? |
| 07:54.31 | daboost | so -R will always work ? |
| 07:54.33 | fooz | usually :D |
| 07:54.40 | fooz | well there may be some other flag |
| 07:54.43 | fooz | to use with -r |
| 07:54.48 | fooz | I no longer run any BSD boxes |
| 07:54.56 | daboost | its from a ntfs disk to a ext3 disk |
| 07:55.06 | fooz | I just used rsync or tar usuall |
| 07:55.18 | g4lt | peterS uhm recursive copy implies an exact copy, complete with ACLs if necessary |
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| 07:55.22 | nsadmin | to make sure, you want to use something like (cd sourcecontainer; tar cfpl - .) | (cd destcontainer; tar xfp -) |
| 07:55.34 | fooz | cp -Rp may be what I used |
| 07:55.44 | nsadmin | that gets everything right but ignores sockets |
| 07:55.45 | peterS | fooz: right, that's what's cool about '-a' - it includes flags for 'duplicate the owners, and permissions, and special files and such" so you don't have to remember all those flags, just the one |
| 07:55.47 | daboost | if i do tar the permissions of the directories will change |
| 07:56.02 | CerXo | Can anyone tell me if ipchains/iptables is good to work with for a router? |
| 07:56.12 | skaught | CerXo: yes. |
| 07:56.15 | CerXo | or is there something better? |
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| 07:56.20 | omar | pf |
| 07:56.23 | fooz | on some BSDs, there is no tool that can keep ALL attributes except for dump/restore |
| 07:56.24 | nsadmin | daboost: one, do it as root... two, man tar look at -p |
| 07:56.31 | fooz | FreeBSD has 32 bit device numbers |
| 07:56.35 | fooz | er, had. now it has devfs |
| 07:56.35 | omar | CerXo, check out openbsd |
| 07:56.58 | skaught | CerXo: You're somewhat limited to the choice of your operating system, Linux uses IPTABLES, and OpenBSD uses pf, the other BSDs use different filtering programs |
| 07:56.59 | nsadmin | you don't necessarily need root unless either multiple owners or root or other system acct is one owner |
| 07:57.05 | ash_ | Anyone know how to find out what /dev/yadayada the mouse is connected to. I keep trying to boot xserver and i get a your mouse is homo error? |
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| 07:57.25 | ash_ | I ahve a normal mouse that plugs into normal mouse port |
| 07:57.31 | nailbiter | fooz: how's the freebsd devfs implementation different to the linux one? |
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| 07:57.39 | nsadmin | ash_: /msg dpkg sicco |
| 07:57.44 | CerXo | •skaught• aight.. I'm working with Linux so I'll read more up on iptables |
| 07:57.44 | peterS | ash_: what kernel version? |
| 07:57.53 | peterS | ash_: and what mouse type? (PS/2 port, or USB port, or what) |
| 07:58.16 | fooz | nailbiter, afaik, it's required and not optional, and it uses device names and not device numbers with arbitrary names |
| 07:58.27 | fooz | nailbiter, i'm talking 5.x not 4.x where it was an optional hack |
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| 07:58.49 | fooz | nailbiter, but I may be speaking about what it wanted to be, not what it is :) I hate FreeBSD |
| 07:58.51 | ash_ | peterS: I dont know kernel verison? I dont know how to upgrade either... my friend told me to. And its a PS/2 port mouse |
| 07:58.56 | nailbiter | fooz: ok; so are devices in the freebsd devfs anonymous devices and not nodes with major/minor numbers? |
| 07:59.02 | peterS | ash_: well, 'uname -r' will tell you |
| 07:59.09 | CerXo | what's a good PPPoe client? I read somewhere that RP-PPPoE was a good one.. |
| 07:59.10 | peterS | ash_: if it's kernel 2.4, we have one answer, if it's kernel 2.6, we have another |
| 07:59.22 | peterS | CerXo: yes, that's built in to the ppp in debian unstable |
| 07:59.23 | whatever | AAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA IT WORKS! |
| 07:59.26 | nailbiter | fooz: oh, ok. i guess i ought to get off my arse and take a look myself. :-P |
| 07:59.28 | fooz | nailbiter, FreeBSD's devfs isn't user modifiable, iirc. it has all devices known to the kernel and only changes when the kernel does |
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| 07:59.36 | peterS | CerXo: if you don't have unstable, you'll need to install the 'pppoe' package in addition to 'ppp' |
| 07:59.43 | skaught | whatever: What were you trying to get to work? |
| 07:59.47 | fooz | nailbiter, and I think it's name based and doesn't use device numbers |
| 07:59.54 | Hamled|Erp | how would I install a debian package I downloaded manually? |
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| 07:59.57 | ash_ | peterS: let me loginto my second screen and find out... one sec |
| 08:00.02 | CerXo | •peterS• I'm running unstable thanks for the info |
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| 08:00.18 | whatever | skaught: some programs to automatically start on loading of blackbox |
| 08:00.46 | nsadmin | Hamled|Erp: dpkg --help |
| 08:00.46 | skaught | ahhh, so you put them as background processes before executing your WM as a fg process? |
| 08:00.50 | Hamled|Erp | nsadmin, thx |
| 08:00.56 | nsadmin | and see for yourself :) |
| 08:01.01 | nsadmin | it's a long listing, btw |
| 08:01.02 | whatever | skaught: yeah, but it didn't work at first |
| 08:01.06 | Hamled|Erp | wasn't sure if dpkg would work or not |
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| 08:01.09 | ash_ | peterS: 2.2.20 compact... how can i upgrade..? i tried but the downloads were wack.. the only thing i know how to install are .deb files... |
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| 08:01.50 | peterS | ash_: well, no immediate need to upgrade, 2.2.20 supports PS/2 mice fine |
| 08:02.00 | nsadmin | ash_: it's -possible- you might need to upgrade your debian... but not just for mouse |
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| 08:02.16 | peterS | ash_: your mouse device, in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, should be "/dev/psaux" |
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| 08:02.40 | whatever | well guys, I'm gonna head out |
| 08:02.42 | g4lt | peterS 2.2.20-COMPACT?! he needs to upgrade alright. |
| 08:02.43 | whatever | get some sleep |
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| 08:02.46 | whatever | as its like 4am |
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| 08:02.51 | peterS | g4lt: but not because of the mouse thing, right? |
| 08:02.51 | ash_ | peterS: thats ... thanks |
| 08:02.54 | whatever | Phated: nite |
| 08:02.54 | yahya | does anyone know software to auto detect my printer and set it up |
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| 08:03.01 | Phated | whatever: Night. |
| 08:03.03 | Phated | :) |
| 08:03.04 | whatever | mwilson: if you see this, thanks again for all your help |
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| 08:03.04 | ash_ | peterS: thanks |
| 08:03.11 | peterS | ash_: g4lt is right, we'd recommend a newer kernel. but I still think yours should work in terms of the mouse being supported |
| 08:03.11 | g4lt | peterS no, because it's a damn cut-down installation kernel ;) |
| 08:03.13 | Phated | whatever: NIce to see you remembered me. :) |
| 08:03.21 | whatever | peterS: keep up the awesome knowledge |
| 08:03.27 | whatever | Phated: lol, of course! |
| 08:03.29 | nsadmin | yahya: more likely, it takes a human to manually detect the printer and go from there |
| 08:03.40 | ash_ | g4lt & peterS: how do i upgrade? |
| 08:03.44 | Phated | whatever: Heh, I've been quite, so yeah. :) |
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| 08:03.49 | peterS | ash_: 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4' |
| 08:03.52 | g4lt | !tell ash_ about install kernel |
| 08:03.53 | whatever | hey, how do you send private messages? lol |
| 08:03.54 | peterS | ash_: it will spit out a list of kernels you can install |
| 08:04.00 | peterS | ash_: then just 'apt-get install' one of 'em |
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| 08:04.03 | yahya | nsadmin, what software do I need, I have cups, but I don't know really what I am supposed to do. |
| 08:04.08 | SlayerXP | whatever: "lol" is not english punctuation. |
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| 08:04.31 | whatever | Phated: command? |
| 08:04.38 | Phated | whatever: /msg |
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| 08:05.03 | whatever | woot! I'm a newb! |
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| 08:05.20 | ash_ | peterS: thanks... i will upgrade and redo the config thingy and try again |
| 08:05.25 | nsadmin | just read enough, and try things you read... |
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| 08:05.30 | nsadmin | you won't be for long |
| 08:05.39 | g4lt | yahya point your web browser to localhost:631 |
| 08:05.41 | whatever | Phated: dunno if I'll run into you again on the channel, I'm like sparatic at best |
| 08:05.52 | Phated | Sporadic? |
| 08:05.57 | ash_ | How do u exits and say something as u leave? |
| 08:05.58 | peterS | spastic |
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| 08:06.03 | ash_ | *exit |
| 08:06.14 | g4lt | ash_ /quit message |
| 08:06.15 | nsadmin | Phated: mushroom-like :) |
| 08:06.18 | yahya | g4lt: I have done that, I have set up the printer but I don't think it is 'complete' enough because the test page doesn't work |
| 08:06.21 | Phated | nsadmin: Haha. |
| 08:06.31 | whatever | lol |
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| 08:06.53 | Phated | To do what, peterS? |
| 08:06.59 | SlayerXP | whatever: okay. let's translate some moronspeak terms for you. "woot!" should never ever be used. "I'm a newb!" is better expressed as "I'm somewhat new to debian, please be patient." |
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| 08:07.10 | peterS | Phated: you can find out by typing "lol" here |
| 08:07.10 | exhaust | should i recompile this kernel with the sources from kernel.org or should i use the kernel sources from debian website? does it matter? |
| 08:07.19 | whatever | SlayerXP: .....ok dude. :P |
| 08:07.26 | Phated | peterS: Heh. |
| 08:07.28 | SlayerXP | whatever: instead of "lol", try "/me laughs heartily" |
| 08:07.38 | whatever | SlayerXP: those were not the messags I was trying to get across though |
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| 08:07.59 | SlayerXP | whatever: the message you sent across was "I'm an idiot, mock me." |
| 08:08.14 | whatever | SlayerXP: you were not here for the entire conversation |
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| 08:08.18 | Phated | SlayerXP: Whoa, easy there. |
| 08:08.18 | nsadmin | exhaust: debian has applied some available patches to the sources you'd download, and has probably also otherwise altered them (to solve problems, of course) |
| 08:08.27 | peterS | whatever: doesn't matter. SlayerXP is right, that's what it looks like |
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| 08:08.39 | whatever | well, I was making fun of myself |
| 08:08.45 | whatever | I know nothing about irc |
| 08:08.50 | yahya | does anyone know how I can find what my printer device URL is? |
| 08:09.00 | nsadmin | whatever: /help newuser :) |
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| 08:09.16 | elwood | yahya, /dev/usb/lp0? |
| 08:09.29 | exhaust | why does the debian documentation tell you to use sources from kernel.org? |
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| 08:09.36 | eeyore- | exhaust: debian already applies some patches, so you have to decide. if you're going to apply other people's patches (say, -mm series) then you'll have some conflicts |
| 08:09.50 | eeyore- | exhaust: but compared to vanilla kernel, debian's is a little bit of improvement |
| 08:10.12 | nsadmin | yahya: watch your system logs when you plug in and unplug the usb printer (if it's not usb, don't plug or unplug with computer power on) |
| 08:10.59 | exhaust | i'll just use the debian sources then. i figured out the wlan-ng kernel module isn't using the correct driver version for my adapter, this is why i have to recompile |
| 08:11.12 | SlayerXP | IRC needs the equivalent of those signs you see near rides in amusement parks. |
| 08:11.17 | yahya | nsadmin, where is the system logs, |
| 08:11.28 | Nurbs | nsadmin: parallel port devices shouldn't be (un-)plugged while the machine is running? |
| 08:11.28 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.35 | SlayerXP | "You must be at least >this< literate to use the Internet." |
| 08:11.42 | Guerin | SlayerXP: damn straight |
| 08:11.42 | nsadmin | Nurbs: no, for electrical reasons |
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| 08:11.51 | whatever | SlayerXP: its good to know you derive enjoyment out of trying to make yourself look like some almighty person who is really uptight. |
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| 08:11.57 | wliad | Hi all |
| 08:11.57 | eeyore- | Nurbs: it doesn't guarantee that you'll ground the connectors first |
| 08:11.57 | Nurbs | nsadmin: oh well. I'll ignore those reasons *g* |
| 08:12.07 | whatever | SlayerXP: and there is a difference between being literate and using slang |
| 08:12.10 | eeyore- | Nurbs: there's small chance you'll short it out :) |
| 08:12.11 | Nurbs | eeyore-: heh |
| 08:12.17 | nsadmin | it's your motherboard :) |
| 08:12.19 | whatever | SlayerXP: do not dare judge me |
| 08:12.20 | Nurbs | nah |
| 08:12.27 | Nurbs | I don't have parallel ports :) |
| 08:12.33 | eeyore- | Nurbs: but in practice, it's probably unlikely |
| 08:12.35 | peterS | whatever: you aren't helping your case by getting indignant here |
| 08:13.06 | wliad | Say, how do I make 'gcc' use the 3.4 version instead of 3.3? |
| 08:13.09 | Nurbs | eeyore-: yes, of course :) |
| 08:13.10 | whatever | peterS: I just find it trivial that he waits till I stop talking to make a snide remark. |
| 08:13.25 | peterS | wliad: invoke it as 'gcc-3.4' |
| 08:13.27 | Nurbs | wliad: you should just call gcc-3.4 instead |
| 08:13.42 | Nurbs | wliad: or, if you really need it, replace gcc (use dpkg-divert) |
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| 08:13.55 | Phated | whatever, SlayerXP: Gentlemen, gentlemen, please. We're all literate Debian-using people. Let's all just get along... |
| 08:13.59 | nsadmin | wliad: in debian, you can just call app. version of gcc... look at your own "ls /usr/bin/gcc*" |
| 08:14.05 | skaught | wliad: Why do you need 3.4 over 3.3? |
| 08:14.17 | nsadmin | some app wants it? |
| 08:14.24 | whatever | Phated: ah, I wasn't going to get into a 'war' over it. ^_^ |
| 08:14.29 | eeyore- | Phated: what a novel concept :-D |
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| 08:14.42 | Phated | eeyore-: Indeed. |
| 08:14.49 | Phated | whatever: Good. |
| 08:14.55 | whatever | anyways, like I said before. Thanks a million everyone for all your help. |
| 08:14.59 | wliad | Not really... Just saw it on Sid and decided to try it out. |
| 08:15.00 | eeyore- | Phated: i wish my systems would get along |
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| 08:15.03 | whatever | I'm going to sleep. ^_^ |
| 08:15.05 | nsadmin | war? why can't weee be friends, why can't weee be friends, wh... |
| 08:15.11 | Phated | eeyore-: Don't we all. |
| 08:15.32 | eeyore- | smp/nfs/acpi/ioapic argh! damn you all! |
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| 08:15.51 | wliad | Thanks for the help guys (peterS, Nurbs, nsadmin & skaught) |
| 08:15.51 | Phated | peterS: No, no, only the innocent ones. The peaceful ones are fine. |
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| 08:16.09 | nsadmin | so says you :) |
| 08:16.47 | peterS | right, like that one. don't let it fool you, folks |
| 08:17.15 | Phated | He has seen my Dark Side. |
| 08:17.19 | nsadmin | -snap-! good, good,,, now turn to the right about 15 degrees and give me more innocent! |
| 08:17.37 | yahya | nsadmin, Sys log doesn't have any changes when I insert the USB plug, I am only running a Debian mini installation, would Upgrading my Kernel help? |
| 08:17.54 | ash_ | I am trying to install new version of debian and the error I get is...You are attemptiong to install an initrd kernel image. This will not work unless you have configured your bootloader to use initrd. Yada yada... ill never work for u you newb whore. Any ideas anyone? |
| 08:18.07 | Nurbs | yahya: what kernel version do you run? |
| 08:18.08 | eeyore- | yahya: are you running hotplug? |
| 08:18.12 | nsadmin | yahya: could it be your kernel doesn't support usb? do you use any other usb devices? |
| 08:18.37 | yahya | I have a usb mouse but its not doing anything because IM not using X at all |
| 08:18.38 | Phated | ash_: All you have to do is edit lilo.conf and add something like intrd=/initrd.img |
| 08:18.40 | nsadmin | -snap-! Beautiful! now, upside down... |
| 08:18.44 | skaught | ash_: Sure! Just make a simple edit to your bootloader configuration. What loader are you using? |
| 08:18.47 | Phated | That's what it told me, anyways. |
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| 08:19.18 | yahya | kernel= 2.2.20-idepci |
| 08:19.22 | Nurbs | yahya: with GPM you can use the mouse on the console, too, btw |
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| 08:19.30 | Nurbs | yahya: I recommend upgrading to a debian 2.4.x kernel |
| 08:19.31 | Phated | Yay for GPM. :) |
| 08:19.54 | nsadmin | yahya: probably that kernel is too old to do usb... so you have nothing else usb? |
| 08:19.54 | yahya | ok |
| 08:20.01 | g4lt | yahya idepci doesn't support USB |
| 08:20.02 | yahya | no |
| 08:20.04 | Nurbs | yahya: what CPU do you have? |
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| 08:20.25 | yahya | athlon 1.333 ghz |
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| 08:20.38 | nsadmin | that's plenty fast enuf... |
| 08:20.42 | ash_ | Phated & skaught: I dont know if I am using a loader... someone just told me to type in apt-get install kernel-image... etc.etc... |
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| 08:20.54 | ash_ | how do i install loader? |
| 08:20.57 | peterS | ash_: if you installed woody, you are more than likely using lilo |
| 08:20.57 | Phated | ash_: OK, are you running a dual-boot or anything? |
| 08:21.02 | Nurbs | yahya: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-k7 |
| 08:21.16 | peterS | ash_: do what the message told you to do. rather than just click it away, I hope you wrote down what it told you |
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| 08:21.30 | nsadmin | ash_: you could use lilo or maybe grub (two different loaders, grub is newer) |
| 08:21.41 | ash_ | peterS: yeah lilo is what it shows when i boot up.. is that my loader? |
| 08:21.45 | Phated | Grub's cool. though LiLo works fine. |
| 08:21.47 | d3s | hello.. i just write long message on pine.. when i tried to send it, if freezes and I lost my message.. can't find it on sent-mail folder.. how ca ni retrieve it? |
| 08:21.57 | peterS | ash_: yep. Phated gave you good advice on that, except that she made a typo |
| 08:22.00 | Nurbs | yahya: I think you might need to add a line to /etc/lilo.conf afterwards and run lilo, but it should tell you about that |
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| 08:22.03 | Phated | ash_: Yep. Edit /etc/lilo.conf and add the line initrd=/initrd.img |
| 08:22.09 | Phated | And then run lilo, of course. |
| 08:22.14 | peterS | ash_: basically you need to add a line just below your 'image=/vmlinuz' line: 'initrd=/initrd.img' |
| 08:22.22 | Phated | peterS: I noticed I did. :| |
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| 08:22.27 | eeyore- | d3s: /proc/kcore |
| 08:22.53 | nsadmin | just for point of reference... I like to put in lilo stanzas for each of my kernels by their real name in /boot |
| 08:22.59 | Phated | peterS: I gave good advice! I gave good advice! Yay. |
| 08:23.01 | yahya | Nurbs, ok i should be able to find that out after maybe |
| 08:23.13 | tactless | I've installed Debian on my girlfriend's computer, and she's rather pleased... except that it gets into the habit of stalling for several seconds once in a while (mouse, keyboard - inside X). I can't run top while the system is stalled, and once it's out of the stall - top shows nothing peculiar. Any ideas? |
| 08:23.28 | ash_ | peterS and Phated: thanks... ill give it a try... should i reboot after editing file or just try and install the new kernel again? |
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| 08:23.42 | Nurbs | tactless: try checking for weird messages with "dmesg" |
| 08:23.43 | d3s | eeyore-: reading... |
| 08:23.43 | peterS | ash_: you've already installed the kernel, no need to reinstall it. |
| 08:23.48 | eeyore- | tactless: cordless mouse? |
| 08:23.51 | nsadmin | tactless: look like disk I/O is taking place during stall? |
| 08:23.51 | peterS | ash_: edit lilo.conf and then run 'lilo' to make it take effect |
| 08:23.53 | debian | tactless: SMP? |
| 08:23.54 | tactless | Nurbs: Will do |
| 08:23.56 | peterS | ash_: then reboot |
| 08:23.56 | tactless | eeyore-: No |
| 08:24.00 | tactless | nsadmin: Will check |
| 08:24.02 | Phated | ash_: Hm, run lilo, and then rebot. |
| 08:24.04 | debian | tactless: preemptive kernel? |
| 08:24.05 | nsadmin | mouseless cord? |
| 08:24.06 | Phated | reboot* |
| 08:24.11 | tactless | debian: That might be it... is not SMP, might be configured as one. |
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| 08:24.30 | debian | tactless: low lantency patch? |
| 08:24.30 | tactless | debian: 2.4.x, didn't upgrade to 2.6 yet. I'm not familiar with debian patchset. |
| 08:24.32 | ash_ | so nino /etc/lilo.conf then upgrade and reboot? |
| 08:24.43 | eeyore- | tactless: how much memory |
| 08:24.44 | tactless | debian: I didn't explicitly enable low latency or preempt. |
| 08:24.50 | tactless | eeyore-: 128MB, I think. |
| 08:24.57 | peterS | ash_: edit it (nano for example), then run 'lilo', *then* reboot. yeah. |
| 08:24.59 | eeyore- | tactless: CPU? |
| 08:25.07 | jaxxan | hey ya'll |
| 08:25.10 | debian | tactless: what graphic card? |
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| 08:25.13 | nsadmin | peterS: cmon now, isn't imitation a form of flattery? |
| 08:25.15 | Phated | peterS: Ooh, I LOVE nano! |
| 08:25.22 | tactless | eeyore-: Intel Pentium, about 1.4Ghz. |
| 08:25.33 | peterS | nsadmin: this is ... not a first offence (: Phated and I have been through this before, see |
| 08:25.35 | tactless | debian: nVidia GeForce FX 2 (didn't get around to installing nvidia's binaries yet) |
| 08:25.44 | eeyore- | tactless: video card in 24-bit or 16-bit mode? (xdpyinfo | grep "of root window") |
| 08:25.47 | tactless | debian: Sorry, that's GeForce 2 Ti :) |
| 08:25.50 | Phated | nsadmin: He's right, we've said the same things at the same time. |
| 08:25.52 | ash_ | lilo? Dont I need to go apt-get install kernel-image etc etc first? or do i jusr run lilo? |
| 08:26.00 | tactless | eeyore-: Looks like 24 to me, but will check |
| 08:26.00 | debian | tactless: if you haen't install that nvidia driver, how would you run X? :) |
| 08:26.04 | eeyore- | tactless: it might be a driver thing, then, esp. considering you're not using nvidia's binary driver |
| 08:26.05 | tactless | debian: nv driver. |
| 08:26.17 | tactless | eeyore-: Thought of that, yeah |
| 08:26.18 | debian | tactless: woody? |
| 08:26.18 | Phated | ash_: No, you an install it, then edit the file, then reboot. As long as you've done both before rebooting. |
| 08:26.20 | eeyore- | tactless: 16 will feel faster than 24 |
| 08:26.26 | nsadmin | ash_: the packaging of kernel-image packages run lilo for you |
| 08:26.28 | tactless | debian: Sarge netinst, upgraded to unstable. |
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| 08:26.37 | ash_ | kk |
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| 08:26.39 | ash_ | thanks |
| 08:26.41 | tactless | eeyore-: No, that's definetely not it. It's fast most of the time, but stalls for a few seconds once in a while. |
| 08:26.51 | nsadmin | but 16 will get you 24... |
| 08:27.01 | tactless | So I'm thinking Disk I/O, dmesg oddities, nvidia binaries... anything else to check? |
| 08:27.02 | eeyore- | tactless: i had a geforce2, nvidia kernel drivers, athlon 1.2Ghz, and it was fine all the time :-) |
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| 08:27.12 | debian | tactless: when the stall happen mouse and keyboard(hitting caps lock to see the light) dont' response right? |
| 08:27.21 | tactless | debian: I think so, yes. |
| 08:27.22 | eeyore- | okay, time to boot 2.6.7-mm7 kernel |
| 08:27.40 | Nurbs | eeyore-: why not 2.6.8-rc1-mm1? :) |
| 08:27.46 | debian | tactless: let me think |
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| 08:27.54 | eeyore- | Nurbs: too chicken |
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| 08:28.05 | Nurbs | hehe |
| 08:28.30 | tactless | Furthermore, halt doesn't power-down when done. I'm thinking a kernel recompile (and update to 2.6) is in order. |
| 08:28.30 | nsadmin | what's mm1 and mm7? |
| 08:28.30 | debian | tactless: ASUS mobo? |
| 08:28.30 | tactless | debian: Yes. |
| 08:28.30 | eeyore- | this'd better work |
| 08:28.40 | debian | tactless: have you flash the bios? |
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| 08:28.43 | nsadmin | tactless: that would be an apm or acpi thing |
| 08:28.54 | eeyore- | of course with rebooting at midnight my nightly backup's all screwed :-p |
| 08:29.00 | nsadmin | did the bios get red when you flashed it? |
| 08:29.01 | tactless | nsadmin: Yeah. That's why I hate precompiled kernels :) |
| 08:29.02 | debian | tactless: nasadmin is right, probably you'd like to look at acpi first |
| 08:29.22 | tactless | Did not flash bios... |
| 08:29.27 | tactless | Why would I want to do that? |
| 08:29.37 | tactless | (I have an Abit mobo on my box, not familiar with Asus) |
| 08:29.40 | nsadmin | agreed... too embarrasing... |
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| 08:30.00 | Phated | Err, mouseless cord? Sounds kinda useless. |
| 08:30.09 | tactless | LOL |
| 08:30.10 | kerpal23 | .//msg apt extf3 |
| 08:30.12 | debian | tactless: believe it or not, ASUS usually comes with buggy bios. :) |
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| 08:30.16 | nsadmin | mine is a mouseless cord without a wire! |
| 08:30.30 | Nurbs | nsadmin: andrew morton's patch-sets: http://www.kernel.org/patchtypes/mm.html I think mm comes from memory management (but it contains other stuff nowadays) |
| 08:30.31 | peterS | Phated: apparently it's useful for wiping people. don't ask. |
| 08:30.33 | Phated | nsadmin: So you have nothing. |
| 08:30.34 | debian | tactless: they never do it right the first time. You can always 'latest' bios from their website. :P |
| 08:30.36 | Phated | peterS: Haha. |
| 08:30.37 | tactless | debian: Problem does not seem to occur on WinXP. BIOS flash in order for Linux to work? |
| 08:30.48 | Phated | Ewww, WINXP! |
| 08:30.58 | tactless | Dual-boot... family PC. |
| 08:31.04 | nsadmin | Phated: ugh, oh no, you're right! |
| 08:31.05 | debian | tactless: just a random shot you'd like to try. besides, linux is more hardware sensitive. |
| 08:31.06 | tactless | No such thing on my box :) |
| 08:31.14 | Nurbs | tactless: what! your kids have to use XP? :) |
| 08:31.18 | tactless | debian: Yes, I've noticed... |
| 08:31.22 | tactless | Nurbs: Not my kids - her parents. |
| 08:31.30 | debian | tactless: I wouldn't surprise when XP works smoothly with it. They'd test more on it than linux |
| 08:31.30 | Phated | tactless: How DARE you! |
| 08:31.32 | tactless | Nurbs: If I ever have kids, they're using LFS :) |
| 08:31.34 | kerpal23 | debian: asus has the worst RMA procedure ever. |
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| 08:31.36 | lexton | I am trying to reconfigure X-windows with this command --> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-sfree86 |
| 08:31.38 | Nurbs | tactless: oh. you want to get rid of them? ;) |
| 08:31.46 | lexton | but it states the pacakge doesn't exist |
| 08:31.46 | tactless | LOL |
| 08:31.53 | Nurbs | tactless: I mean the parents |
| 08:32.01 | jaxxan_ | dpkg-reconfigure xwindow-system |
| 08:32.01 | JohnnyST | hi all |
| 08:32.04 | debian | kerpal23: figured. but you gotta love its stability when it's fully flashed |
| 08:32.05 | peterS | lexton: so, install it. in fact, do 'apt-get install x-window-system' to get all the essentials |
| 08:32.09 | nsadmin | Linux For Soapstars?? |
| 08:32.10 | Nurbs | x-window-system |
| 08:32.16 | tactless | I'm a Gentoo man myself. Too many wizards in Debian for me :) |
| 08:32.17 | kerpal23 | asusp4c-e delux shipped out with a heatsink that would move a solder point to a bridge point.. ,,,, no re-call just pissed of ppl |
| 08:32.17 | peterS | jaxxan_: umm, no |
| 08:32.17 | jaxxan_ | yeah |
| 08:32.25 | Nurbs | xserver-xfree86 it is, though |
| 08:32.29 | kerpal23 | DONT BUY ASUS .. BUY MSI |
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| 08:32.34 | JohnnyST | debian: I read somewhere that ASUS was quite negaitve to Linux.. |
| 08:32.35 | eeyore- | well it booted. didn't die. didn't kill my 3ware partitions right away. good sign |
| 08:32.38 | peterS | tactless: can't compete with us, eh? (: |
| 08:32.40 | debian | tactless: gentoo HAS wizards, in form of ebuild or documentation. :) |
| 08:32.40 | tactless | Or Abit. Their NF7 is excellent. |
| 08:32.46 | nailbiter | JohnnyST: why so? |
| 08:32.55 | debian | JohnnyST: I'll burn their headquarter tonight |
| 08:32.55 | tactless | debian: I prefer them in documentation. |
| 08:32.58 | Phated | peterS: Now, now, let's not get elitist... |
| 08:33.03 | lexton | x-windows is already installed |
| 08:33.12 | tactless | Oh, one thing really surprised me about debian. |
| 08:33.17 | peterS | Phated: he said debian had too many wizards. I wonder if we are intimidating to him, or what |
| 08:33.19 | kerpal23 | ABIT and ASUS both suck they used to be on the edge, now they are over it . and over the hill.. MSI is the new kid on the block |
| 08:33.21 | tactless | apt-get install kde did not install x-window-system. |
| 08:33.27 | Phated | peterS: Heh, he forgot WITCHES, damnit. |
| 08:33.40 | debian | tactless: enough about gentoo and xp atm. Some system does behave strangely with debian's precompiled kernel. Compilation is inevitable |
| 08:33.46 | tactless | I have an Abit NF7 (nForce II) and I'm very happy with it. |
| 08:33.48 | JohnnyST | nailbiter: http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html |
| 08:33.50 | peterS | Phated: in these enlightened times, I think it's quite possible for a wizard to be less than typically male |
| 08:33.53 | debian | tactless: usually it does |
| 08:33.54 | nailbiter | JohnnyST: thanks for the link :) |
| 08:33.58 | nsadmin | tactless: not supposed to. kde are -clients- |
| 08:33.58 | Phated | peterS: Gay, you mean. |
| 08:34.02 | debian | tactless: it's *unstable* you're talking about |
| 08:34.02 | eeyore- | kerpal23: how about the micro-atx A7N8X? that one sucks. underpowered heatsink. they released bios to *underclock* FSB by 1Mhz instead of fixing it properly. |
| 08:34.05 | lexton | debian won't allow me to install x-windows again - says it's already installed |
| 08:34.09 | tactless | debian: So best option is apt-get install kernel-source to get 2.6.x, compile, and install as usual? |
| 08:34.16 | kerpal23 | lol |
| 08:34.16 | tactless | debian: Yes, unstable. |
| 08:34.18 | eeyore- | kerpal23: the A7N8X is very unreliable with dual-channel memory |
| 08:34.29 | d3s | eeyore-: no luck with cat /proc/kcore | grep somename |
| 08:34.37 | Phated | debian: Heh, useful nick. |
| 08:34.40 | debian | tactless: which part in the word *unstable* you've problem with. :) |
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| 08:34.47 | tactless | nsadmin: Doesn't KDE rely on X? |
| 08:34.48 | eeyore- | you're screwed then :) sorry |
| 08:34.48 | lexton | maybe I should remove it and start over |
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| 08:35.04 | debian | Phated: yeah, I know I'm very original. People are bugging me for six years |
| 08:35.04 | kerpal23 | eeyore- its funy, I acutally liked the a7n8x and some other a7n.. But, msi punch for punch has something simular or better. with less hype. |
| 08:35.08 | tactless | debian: So the system being unstable would be the reason for stalling? |
| 08:35.12 | nsadmin | tactless: -they- (the clients) rely on x -client- libs |
| 08:35.15 | kerpal23 | They don't pay all these review sites, like asus does. |
| 08:35.18 | Phated | debian: No, it can come in useful. :) |
| 08:35.23 | tactless | nsadmin: oh... got it. |
| 08:35.36 | nsadmin | remember, the server doesn't have to be on the same box as the clients |
| 08:35.42 | kerpal23 | will ext3 keep fsck reboot/poweroutage nightmares away? |
| 08:35.52 | debian | tactless: to me it's quite related to the kernel |
| 08:35.53 | nsadmin | also remember, xdm, gdm, kdm, are all clients too |
| 08:35.56 | nailbiter | kerpal23: most of the time, yes :) |
| 08:36.00 | eeyore- | kerpal23: these days, i'm not so thrilled about asus any more. can't say i'll recommend any more of their boards |
| 08:36.02 | debian | tactless: the graphic driver next |
| 08:36.11 | tactless | debian: Yes, looks kernelish to me too. Will try both, check dmesg for more. |
| 08:36.16 | tactless | Thanks! |
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| 08:36.18 | eeyore- | kerpal23: "to a minimum" (not away completely) |
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| 08:36.25 | debian | tactless: then the hd |
| 08:36.29 | debian | tactless: np |
| 08:36.45 | tactless | I really like Debian. Might try it on one of my own systems too. |
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| 08:37.23 | kerpal23 | eeyore- I will never recommend them again. I just rmaed a board 5 weeks later same board same problem in my hands, now im crossipping them the board back with a 200 deposit to ensure its fucked up due to component failure vs physical damage. of which I will take the precaution to go get the board insured by fedex when i send it back to them. I think they are such a scammer out fit. |
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| 08:37.49 | debian | tactless: you dont seems to speak from your heart. You just accuse me for having too many wizards! |
| 08:37.53 | kerpal23 | If they screw me for a total of 400$ I will start of a RMAFRAUD.COM website and use some pull somewhere to orchestrate its uses. |
| 08:38.05 | kerpal23 | or WarrantyFraud.com |
| 08:38.05 | Phated | Haha. |
| 08:38.21 | nsadmin | that bad? |
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| 08:38.27 | tactless | debian: Sorry :) |
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| 08:38.38 | kerpal23 | Pissed me off. |
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| 08:38.53 | kerpal23 | Got hung up today 3 times by ASUS |
| 08:39.02 | debian | kerpal23: flashed it yet? :) |
| 08:39.08 | kerpal23 | Can't. |
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| 08:39.28 | kerpal23 | Lemme get you the article of the asus should of recalled site. |
| 08:39.37 | tactless | kerpal23: Why not? |
| 08:39.39 | kerpal23 | antireview.com the place to bitch .. :) |
| 08:39.40 | debian | kerpal23: fresh out of factory ASUS = piece of crap. Flash it quick. |
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| 08:39.52 | nsadmin | they have some kind of way of loading new bios |
| 08:39.53 | kerpal23 | I will get you the article let you read about my well known problem.. |
| 08:40.02 | nsadmin | from a floppy, and without flashing |
| 08:40.08 | debian | kerpal23: what mobo? |
| 08:40.41 | debian | kerpal23: I meant model. :) |
| 08:40.41 | nsadmin | supposedly if you have a bad flash, it will still read the bios |
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| 08:40.41 | tiefsee | hello. what would you prefer for an homeserver (ftp, dhcp, ssh)? debian sarge, oder woody? |
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| 08:40.41 | nsadmin | what are all these klines?? |
| 08:40.45 | debian | nsadmin: if it has a bad flash you must return it to ASUS. :) |
| 08:40.47 | kerpal23 | http://www.techsupportforum.com/~tsf/showthread.php?t=6183 problem |
| 08:40.49 | peterS | nsadmin: /msg dpkg nospambot |
| 08:40.56 | kerpal23 | lemme see if their is a pic |
| 08:40.57 | nsadmin | ok, tnx |
| 08:40.59 | Spark | tiefsee: sarge probably |
| 08:41.07 | Spark | tiefsee: unless you're strange and paranoid |
| 08:41.10 | lexton | aptitude |
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| 08:41.14 | peterS | nsadmin: user 'chii' is actually an anti-bot, detecting and killing bots whose purpose is to join #debian and spam people with porn URLs |
| 08:41.20 | lexton | maybe my new friend |
| 08:41.27 | tactless | tiefsee: Unless you have a particular need for newer versions, I'd go for woody. |
| 08:41.27 | Phated | Question: Is aptitude an X application? |
| 08:41.39 | lexton | console |
| 08:41.41 | Nurbs | Answer: No |
| 08:41.44 | Spark | ncurses |
| 08:41.44 | nsadmin | debian: the one I just got will supposedly load a bios from a floppy even if it's bad |
| 08:41.44 | peterS | nsadmin: if you use irssi, which I know you don't, you can download my script to detect these join/part pairs and not bother showing them to you |
| 08:41.46 | Phated | Oh, YAY! |
| 08:41.49 | Spark | synaptic is the GTK+ one |
| 08:41.51 | Phated | Now I can install it. |
| 08:41.57 | kerpal23 | actually doesn't look like the right article |
| 08:41.59 | tiefsee | Spark: tactless: i'm using sarge on my destop since a long time. |
| 08:42.04 | *** join/#debian eLeman (Present@212.146.160.4) |
| 08:42.14 | *** join/#debian Emma_19 (~TuFaCi@219.95.181.53) |
| 08:42.18 | lexton | I like console apps casue they're fast |
| 08:42.24 | Phated | Yes, me too. |
| 08:42.25 | nsadmin | Phated: Answer: 42.4 |
| 08:42.28 | tiefsee | i heard about a bug in the dhcp-server-software. i hope woody has a new version. |
| 08:42.34 | debian | kerpal23: thansk for telling me this. :) |
| 08:42.37 | Phated | nsadmin: Too late. :| |
| 08:42.38 | tactless | That's what Gentoo is missing... aportagetude. There is no decent ncurses portage frotend. |
| 08:42.39 | peterS | Phated: the X equivalent is called synaptic. I guess it works ok, but I find aptitude pleasant enough (like dselect only nicer) that I haven't ever really investigated synaptic |
| 08:42.41 | debian | nsadmin: server mobo? |
| 08:42.53 | lexton | I couldn't get the rescue disk to work on the debain 3.0 r1 release |
| 08:42.53 | Spark | ncurses isnt really that fast though |
| 08:42.56 | nsadmin | no, it |
| 08:43.01 | lexton | anyone else run into this? |
| 08:43.01 | nsadmin | s a tiny thing |
| 08:43.08 | nsadmin | one sec |
| 08:43.14 | nsadmin | and it is acting up |
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| 08:43.16 | Spark | gtk+ is easily fast enough to leave your eyes and brain behind |
| 08:43.17 | Phated | peterS: Yes, I heard from someone, Karsten, I think, who said that aptitude was better than both apt and dselect. |
| 08:43.26 | debian | I got one server mobo from Intel, it's defective and it hangs on boot scsi. But it works fine without scsi |
| 08:43.41 | peterS | Phated: karsten is often, if not always, right about such matters (: |
| 08:43.53 | Phated | Yeah, I figured. |
| 08:44.00 | Phated | Anyways, BRB, all. Have fun. |
| 08:44.01 | debian | Spark: then you left with the nose and mouth... |
| 08:44.30 | eeyore- | night, folks |
