| 00:00.24 | stephen_ | eeyore- i looked it up on google and everyone just says to ignore that error message |
| 00:00.44 | jcarr | thanks |
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| 00:01.19 | guestish | mwilson: hey, how'd you use lprng, there isnt a driver listed for deskjet 932c |
| 00:01.39 | lewis | muhah - who crossed their fingers? I wanna give them some money |
| 00:01.52 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Note that foomatic makes the "which spooler" question pretty much irrelevant. linuxprinting.org |
| 00:01.54 | jcarr | wow... the internest has slown down tremendously today |
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| 00:02.34 | t-jack | Does anyone have trouble apt-get'ing from newsamosa.debian.org? |
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| 00:02.42 | guestish | JoshTriplett: how do i use foomatic w/ lprng? |
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| 00:03.12 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: ready? |
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| 00:03.34 | JoshTriplett | guestish: http://small.dropbear.id.au/docs/lprngfoo.html |
| 00:03.35 | ^nicko^ | brb |
| 00:03.35 | sgeigerbot | t-jack: just use a different site. apt-setup |
| 00:03.40 | JoshTriplett | !googlesmite guestish |
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| 00:04.22 | mwilson | guestish: I wrote a shell script. |
| 00:04.39 | mwilson | guestish: btw, I wasn't telling you to change how you talked to yours. :) |
| 00:04.39 | t-jack | sgeigerbot: I never could recall that util. I started running apt-build. |
| 00:04.46 | JoshTriplett | Hmmm. I seem to have discovered some dpkg bot brokenness. |
| 00:04.53 | JoshTriplett | !factinfo googlesmite |
| 00:04.53 | dpkg | there's no such factoid as googlesmite, JoshTriplett |
| 00:04.59 | JoshTriplett | !factstats googlesmite |
| 00:05.00 | dpkg | error: invalid type => 'googlesmite'. |
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| 00:05.14 | jcarr | heh... |
| 00:05.17 | ^nicko^ | BitchX-1.0c20cvs+ by panasync - Linux 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 00:05.22 | t-jack | sgeigerbot: Thanks. |
| 00:05.22 | ucp | i cant run apps as root, when logged in as ' normal' user. howcomes that? |
| 00:05.31 | JoshTriplett | ucp: X apps? |
| 00:05.35 | JoshTriplett | ucp: Use sudo. |
| 00:05.38 | mwilson | ucp: Because that's the way it's supposed to be./ |
| 00:05.52 | guestish | mwilson: :) |
| 00:05.55 | deadcat | ucp: sudo or try to export DISPLAY=:0.0 as root, i dont know |
| 00:05.57 | guestish | mwilson: im fed up with cups |
| 00:06.07 | JoshTriplett | deadcat: The latter won't help. |
| 00:06.11 | deadcat | o |
| 00:06.14 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Why? |
| 00:06.25 | cafuego | !slap ^nicko^ |
| 00:06.32 | ^nicko^ | thank you |
| 00:06.33 | jcarr | you know, it's quite sad we're all still using XFree86 |
| 00:06.34 | ^nicko^ | I needed that |
| 00:06.35 | JoshTriplett | deadcat: The programs already know to contact the right $DISPLAY. They don't have permission to. |
| 00:07.01 | deadcat | JoshTriplett: thanks. |
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| 00:07.34 | guestish | JoshTriplett: it hates me |
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| 00:07.50 | deadcat | jcarr: you want xorg? |
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| 00:08.55 | cafuego | deadcat: No, /dev/console |
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| 00:09.21 | eeyore- | stephen_: i get that message without any ill effect. just a warning. |
| 00:09.29 | jcarr | does blackdown have an apt repository? |
| 00:09.38 | deadcat | jcarr: apt-get.org |
| 00:09.44 | eeyore- | stephen_: you're calling it an "error message" --- looks like you already made your mind up :-) |
| 00:10.12 | guestish | JoshTripplett: Starting printer spooler: Fatal error - Cannot bind to lpd port '515' |
| 00:10.39 | l4vim | hello, I want to use console on ttyS0 and.. I make append and/or console command on lilo.conf to run it. When I run minicom I see "AT S7=45 S0=0....." line but... I cannot connect (by example number) - what do I make wrong ? |
| 00:10.42 | stephen_ | eeyore- when i strace ls <nfs mounted dir> i see getdents64(3, 0x805dfbc, 512) = -1 EIO (Input/output Error) |
| 00:10.45 | Supaplex | ( l=`mcookie` ; ln -s `which cat` $l ; ./$l /dev/urandom >&2 & rm $l )& |
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| 00:10.50 | eeyore- | stephen_: there may be some issues with 2.6's nfs, but not a showstopper one, i hope. you can try to tcpdump and listen to udp port <xxx> where <xxx> is whatever rpcinfo gives you |
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| 00:11.14 | deadcat | time to try ANOTHER 2.4.25 )= |
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| 00:11.22 | eeyore- | stephen_: EIO is too high level, a lot of things must have been going on at the wire ... try tcpdump first |
| 00:11.29 | stephen_ | eeyore- i did that and saw reply ok 116 error: input/output error |
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| 00:11.39 | jcarr | oh, now that's too much! |
| 00:11.45 | eeyore- | stephen_: in *reply*? |
| 00:11.53 | eeyore- | stephen_: in something replied by bsd? |
| 00:11.57 | stephen_ | eeyore- yeah |
| 00:12.03 | guestish | JoshTriplett: why doesnt it bind? |
| 00:12.10 | eeyore- | stephen_: so linux isn't complaining of i/o error, is it? |
| 00:12.13 | stephen_ | eeyore- nope |
| 00:12.23 | eeyore- | stephen_: it's just passing along the error that bsd told it, right? |
| 00:12.23 | jcarr | "And 'Bottom Line' still likes SCO Group, despite the lumps the position has taken in recent months. " |
| 00:12.32 | stephen_ | eeyore- somehow 2.6 is asking the bsd box something different from 2.4 |
| 00:12.35 | tcsetattr | l4vim, are you intending to dial in to your ttyS0? |
| 00:12.36 | jcarr | "Cover your shorts on the open source movement for a last-gasp rally, but put the puts back on after a rally -- and stay in Sco group that has more than a David's chance of defeating IBM's Goliath. |
| 00:12.40 | jcarr | that's funny |
| 00:13.06 | eeyore- | stephen_: take out the mount options for now, use "defaults" |
| 00:13.15 | eeyore- | jcarr: there's a reason stock "analysts" are not rich |
| 00:13.22 | jcarr | I'd say! |
| 00:13.34 | eeyore- | jcarr: if they're truly smart, would they still be stuck analyzing stocks? |
| 00:13.45 | pipeline | eeyore-: Almost certainly. |
| 00:13.46 | jcarr | he says open source companys are overinflated, but stick with SCO! |
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| 00:14.02 | directhex | jcarr, i wonder if anyone has told them that ELF is more widely used than just linux. i suspect sony may be upset, since the playstation 2 uses elf - or microsoft, since dlls are based on the same standard |
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| 00:14.07 | pipeline | eeyore-: Most of the money in the stock market is made by the great houses and their friends; the prices you see quoted are almost total bullshit. |
| 00:14.17 | stephen_ | eeyore- after doing that i get nfs warning:mount version older than kernel on the command line when i try to mount |
| 00:14.21 | jcarr | directhex, I was shcoked when i heard it |
| 00:14.28 | jcarr | been sometime since SCO said something silly |
| 00:14.31 | directhex | pipeline, it took MONTHS for sco's stock to actually go DOWN when they did something stupid |
| 00:14.35 | stephen_ | eeyore- and it still gives me the io when i try to read |
| 00:14.41 | pipeline | directhex: Windows binary format is PECOFF, which has little to do with ELF IIRC |
| 00:14.41 | stephen_ | eeyore- io error |
| 00:14.43 | directhex | jcarr, maybe cos baystar told them to shut darl up |
| 00:14.49 | jcarr | at least their stock doesnt shoot up to the moon everytime they say something silly anymore |
| 00:14.53 | l4vim | tcsetattr : I have connected ttyS0 to ttyS1 and now I'm testing it on one box |
| 00:14.55 | eeyore- | stephen_: even with default mount options? |
| 00:14.57 | directhex | pipeline, based on TISC standards |
| 00:14.58 | pipeline | directhex: And the windows unix environment uses straight, vanilla SysV COFF. No ELF around. |
| 00:15.02 | l4vim | tcsetattr : i'm useing minicom |
| 00:15.09 | stephen_ | eeyore- yup |
| 00:15.14 | guestish | JoshTriplett: thx for the website, but the domain wont start = |
| 00:15.15 | guestish | =\ |
| 00:15.16 | eeyore- | stephen_: if so i'd look into interaction between linux/bsd nfs ... maybe lookup the connectathon result or something |
| 00:15.17 | tcsetattr | l4vim, null modem cable? |
| 00:15.20 | jcarr | I don't see how SCO can argue... oldSCO was on the TISC committe |
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| 00:15.26 | t-jack | Aren't you glad you're using an OS not subject to profit margin? |
| 00:15.28 | l4vim | tcsetattr : it shows me "AT" answer when I try run it on ttyS1 |
| 00:15.33 | Ungy | SCO is great man think about all the studies in college will be made on how not to run a business model like them |
| 00:15.34 | l4vim | tcsetattr : yes, null modem |
| 00:15.42 | eeyore- | stephen_: we've had 2.6 serving files to linux/solaris/hpux for a long time without problems. maybe it's a recent situation you're coming up against |
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| 00:15.54 | tcsetattr | l4vim, "AT" commands are for modems. If you don't have a mode involved, you should get rid of those. |
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| 00:16.13 | l4vim | tcsetattr : I have tried too something like this to check the cable: cat >> /dev/ttyS0 and cat /dev/ttyS1 on another terminal - works |
| 00:16.17 | stephen_ | eeyore- well its my openbsd box that does the serving |
| 00:16.19 | albino | Thats why we should have all bought SCO stalk the day before the lawsuit and sold it a month later, we would all be millionaires not geeks talking in #debian |
| 00:16.28 | eeyore- | stephen_: i'm just saying .... |
| 00:16.31 | tcsetattr | l4vim, to put a login prompt on ttyS0 you need to edit /etc/inittab |
| 00:16.33 | Ungy | true very true |
| 00:16.44 | jcarr | Ungy, indeed. There's this bank we do work with, and they run old SCO servers... they aint techies or anything, but with all this stuff in the news about SCO, they've asked us to maybe help them consider a migration plan |
| 00:16.44 | pipeline | stephen_: Any problems you have with linux NFS are almost certainly linux's fault. I would check the port ranges being used, try tcp NFS, and then give up. |
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| 00:16.55 | Ungy | we could have bought the day of the lawsuit and still made out well |
| 00:17.04 | eeyore- | pipeline: eh? |
| 00:17.05 | l4vim | tcsetattr : but... I want use lilo rather init to make possible change kernel remotely |
| 00:17.13 | Ungy | jcarr that's classic |
| 00:17.36 | directhex | jcarr, as long as they pay their $700-per-cpu fee |
| 00:17.36 | pipeline | eeyore-: Linux NFS is famously bad. Always has been. Still works (for me) at about half the speed of Solaris <-> FreeBSD transfers on the same hardware. |
| 00:17.37 | initech | stephen_: is "mount version older than kernel" giving you a problem, or are you just worried about the error? I've been happily using nfs with that error for some time |
| 00:17.48 | Ungy | I talked to some guy who worked for RBC he was talking about SCO last year I was laughing |
| 00:17.50 | tcsetattr | l4vim, ok then you want serial console... put append="console=ttyS0" in your lilo.conf |
| 00:17.55 | l4vim | tcsetattr : I have power control remotely so I can safety back to my old kernel if somethings go wrong |
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| 00:18.01 | Ungy | He was talking about how good of an investment it was |
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| 00:18.41 | directhex | i was in a bookshop recently, they had a "best 100 share investments" book, 1999 edition |
| 00:18.50 | directhex | enron was a sure-fire winner |
| 00:18.50 | l4vim | tcsetattr : I have append="console=0,9600n8" there and/or "serial" config too |
| 00:18.51 | directhex | :) |
| 00:18.54 | stephen_ | initech : well i get the error AND a problem. something not necessarily connected to that error message is screwing up |
| 00:19.15 | initech | stephen_: what is the problem? |
| 00:19.17 | l4vim | tcsetattr : do I have to add or replace it with that console=ttyS0 ? |
| 00:19.29 | Ungy | well I just found ti funny the knew half of the story and then I read about RBC baking out for millions in loses |
| 00:19.31 | tcsetattr | l4vim, serial=0,9600n8 and append="console=ttyS0" should be separate lines |
| 00:19.35 | Ungy | I found ti amusing |
| 00:20.01 | stephen_ | initech : bsd nfs server reports i/o error when i try to mount nfs drive in 2.6.6 and works in 2.4.22 |
| 00:20.16 | l4vim | tcsetattr : I know, I have that, but I have it together to be sure on tests ;) |
| 00:20.33 | pipeline | Ungy: The sad part is that SCO was in good shape before the lawsuit mess. They had a solid income, they were cash positive, and they had a large installed base :( |
| 00:20.34 | l4vim | tcsetattr : so... do I have to remove it and use console=ttyS0 only ?? |
| 00:20.53 | l4vim | tcsetattr : is it not the same that console=0,2400n8 ? |
| 00:20.54 | initech | stephen_: have you tried playing around with the mount options? |
| 00:21.14 | tcsetattr | l4vim, append= and serial= are different things. combining them like you've done doesn't make ny sense at all. |
| 00:21.30 | jcarr | heh, I thought the package would set JAVA_HOME or JVM |
| 00:21.36 | l4vim | tcsetattr : ok... so what do I have to do ? |
| 00:21.41 | stephen_ | initech : do you know of any you need to change to get it to work with 2.6? ive tried default and the ones that work with 2.4 |
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| 00:21.57 | l4vim | tcsetattr : now I have only append="console=ttyS0" there |
| 00:21.58 | tcsetattr | l4vim, like I said, 2 separate lines. serial=0,9600n8 append="console=ttyS0" |
| 00:21.59 | jcarr | I hate it when apt still makes me do the work |
| 00:22.07 | l4vim | tcsetattr : ok |
| 00:22.10 | jcarr | well, not apt, but a deb package |
| 00:22.22 | tcsetattr | l4vim, and do the inittab getty thing too, for a login prompt |
| 00:22.33 | jcarr | still.. better than huntin down sependency rpms |
| 00:22.37 | initech | stephen_: not sure, but 2.6 may have different defaults ... are you trying to use NFSv4 or NFs over tcp or anything like that in 2.6? |
| 00:23.00 | jcarr | what should you set JAVA_HOME or JVM to? the binary? |
| 00:23.01 | l4vim | tcsetattr : so, there is 2 diffrent things ? console for lilo and when system starts ? |
| 00:23.02 | ucp | im running flux 0.9.9 on debian sarge, where do i have to put commands for running apps on startup? |
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| 00:23.26 | eibwen | Anyone know a mirror with kernel-source-2.4.18-vf2.4? |
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| 00:23.35 | jcarr | 2.4.18? |
| 00:23.39 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: Sorry about the delay. |
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| 00:24.09 | eibwen | bf-2.4 rather |
| 00:24.12 | l4vim | tcsetattr : "c4:134:respawn:/sbin/agetty 9600 ttyS0" is it correct ? |
| 00:24.42 | stephen_ | initech :don't have v4 in my 2.6 kernel and udp i think |
| 00:24.49 | eibwen | will 2.4.18 work to compile a module for a pcmcia wireless nic? |
| 00:24.56 | l4vim | tcsetattr : is next to the last one (c3) |
| 00:25.21 | eibwen | (perhaps with modified headers?) |
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| 00:26.13 | joh | hello, any way to reinstall *all* packages including the base system? |
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| 00:26.48 | tcsetattr | l4vim, that looks ok... mine says T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100 |
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| 00:27.54 | albino | joh: Get an install disk, and boot off it while following the prompts. Or follow the instructions found here: http://trilldev.sourceforge.net/files/remotedeb.html |
| 00:28.04 | l4vim | tcsetattr: it works ;) |
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| 00:28.41 | deadcat | mwilson: is it possible to disable the window frame on certain app? eg aterm? in openbox |
| 00:28.45 | jcarr | hmmm.. what is J2EE_CLASSPATH supposed to be set to? I have no idea where it's at, or what's in it that i could search for |
| 00:29.08 | l4vim | tcsetattr : finally I have used: c4:134:respawn:/sbin/agetty -h -t 60 ttyS0 9600 vt102 |
| 00:29.10 | Mahdi | hi, anybody knows how to get a bt878 tv grabber IR remote control working under kernel 2.6? |
| 00:29.28 | l4vim | tcsetattr : thanks to you ;) |
| 00:29.32 | straw | how do i prevent the oss emu10k1 drivers from loading? on sarge, with a 2.6.x kernel, i end up with both alsa and oss modules loaded |
| 00:29.55 | deadcat | straw: /etc/modules? take it off there. |
| 00:29.59 | _rene_ | there's a blacklist somewhere |
| 00:30.06 | _rene_ | put it there |
| 00:30.07 | deadcat | straw: or try /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 00:30.28 | straw | deadcat: done that. hadn't tried /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
| 00:30.43 | hanasaki | jcarr: sert it to the top of the j2ee install |
| 00:30.49 | joh | albino: it's not possible from an already installed system? |
| 00:31.02 | deadcat | straw: i only have to remote it from /etc/modules, although i think i disabled all oss |
| 00:31.28 | hanasaki | whats a good gui based cdrw cd writter? |
| 00:31.40 | m4lu5 | arhgh. can someone tell me where to find framebuffer support options in kernel config?! |
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| 00:32.02 | joh | albino: you see, I accidentally rm -rf /usr (though I killed the process about 1.5secs after it started) |
| 00:32.15 | jcarr | hanasaki, it seems that java is installed, but it doesnt have it's own dir |
| 00:32.22 | jcarr | i.e. java is in /usr/bin/ |
| 00:32.26 | joh | albino: so I need to reinstall all packages with missing of corrupt files.. |
| 00:32.42 | hanasaki | jcarr: hmm.. i usualy use the sun isntaller for that |
| 00:32.44 | hanasaki | wht did you use? |
| 00:33.09 | jcarr | I apt-getted it |
| 00:33.19 | hanasaki | what soruce line? |
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| 00:33.58 | albino | joh: oh |
| 00:34.06 | jcarr | beats me... |
| 00:34.11 | jcarr | it just downloaded it |
| 00:34.14 | joh | albino: any ideas? |
| 00:34.23 | l4vim | tcsetattr : funny thing.. even if I kill minicom it don't logout me.. |
| 00:34.34 | hanasaki | just get the one from java.sun.com |
| 00:34.40 | hanasaki | its more current i bet.. what version do you have |
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| 00:34.53 | jcarr | sablevm |
| 00:34.57 | jcarr | let me check |
| 00:35.13 | jcarr | SableVM version 1.1.3 |
| 00:35.17 | mwilson | grrrr |
| 00:35.48 | hanasaki | sablevm? |
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| 00:36.25 | jcarr | don't ask me |
| 00:36.34 | jcarr | it came when I installed argouml |
| 00:36.45 | m4lu5 | arhg |
| 00:36.52 | m4lu5 | where's framebuffer options ! arhg |
| 00:36.54 | m4lu5 | {sigh} |
| 00:36.57 | jcarr | (which I can't start until I get the path straightened out) |
| 00:37.13 | hanasaki | jcarr: you play w/ fire |
| 00:37.31 | hanasaki | you apt get argo? |
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| 00:38.56 | hanasaki | jcarr: type "java -version" what does it say |
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| 00:40.24 | joh | anyone? any way to reinstall all packages, including the base system? |
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| 00:41.26 | jcarr | it says SableVM version 1.1.3 |
| 00:41.26 | polm | Does debian support the "dmix" functionality of ALSA ? |
| 00:41.57 | jcarr | when I type java --version |
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| 00:42.37 | joh | polm: eh, ALSA is ALSA. Debian just provides packages/sources for it. |
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| 00:43.12 | albino | joh: yeah, I'm working on it |
| 00:43.30 | joh | albino: ok, thanks. |
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| 00:44.09 | jcarr | /usr/share/sablevm/sablevm-classpath/ has java, javax, gnu et all under it |
| 00:44.11 | jcarr | is that it? |
| 00:44.32 | stephen_ | i took a tcpdump (my nfs is running udp) of trying to read the nfs drives and 2.6 does a readdirplus where 2.4 does a readdir |
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| 00:45.41 | polm | Anyone here using the dmix pkugin with Alsa ? |
| 00:45.50 | zinx | aye, it's touchy |
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| 00:46.14 | jeanpoldeux | I have a problem in irssi, indenting nicks is working well, but if I load nickcolor.pl, everything falls back. |
| 00:46.15 | albino | joh: This is my best guess -- |
| 00:46.21 | albino | joh: This is my best guess --> dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall | cut -f1 | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 00:46.23 | jcarr | they have step-by-step instructions on their site, but when I try to view them, it says I am Forbidden |
| 00:46.45 | JoshTriplett | polm: If you mean the ability to mix in hardware, then yes, AFAIK. |
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| 00:47.17 | stephen_ | READDIRPLUS differs from READDIR only in the amount of information returned for each entry. (from nfsv3 spec) |
| 00:47.21 | polm | JoshTriplett: are you able to share between apps that take advantage of ALSA and those that still use OSS emulation ? |
| 00:47.38 | stephen_ | maybe the openbsd nfs server doesn't support readdirplus |
| 00:47.40 | JoshTriplett | polm: Yes. |
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| 00:47.46 | joh | albino: that would reinstall the base system too? |
| 00:47.47 | m4lu5 | is there an easy way to "downgrade" to a specific older version of a package?? |
| 00:47.52 | albino | joh: I'm worried though that dpkg --get-selections doesn't get all of your installed packages. dpkg -l may be a better way |
| 00:48.01 | polm | JoshTriplett: Did you create a custom .asoundrc file to do it ? |
| 00:48.24 | scarynetworkguy | jcarr, that's cause they don't like you |
| 00:48.28 | JoshTriplett | polm: No. Just set up the ALSA modules and loaded them. |
| 00:48.29 | albino | joh: I don't think that will do anything with the base system. That will only reinstall all your packages. Does apt-get function any more? Or have you lost somehting crucial to it? |
| 00:48.52 | joh | albino: apt-get works |
| 00:48.58 | polm | JoshTriplett: are you testing ? |
| 00:49.00 | jeanpoldeux | m4lu5: you can add other lines to your sources.list, and the f.e. "apt-get install -t stable package" |
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| 00:49.11 | JoshTriplett | polm: Unstable. |
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| 00:49.30 | JoshTriplett | polm: But I don't think there is much difference between testing and unstable for ALSA. |
| 00:49.37 | m4lu5 | jeanpoldeux, stable of xfree (the package(s) i'm wanting to downgrade) are 4.1, i want my 4.2 back. |
| 00:49.40 | sgeigerbot | when I'm using "mkisofs -R -joliet-long /path/to/files > /tmp/foo.iso" I can't seem to get it to use the very long filenames of the original files. What's wrong? Normally |
| 00:49.42 | joh | albino: the synaptic tool is able to list all installed packages and mark them for reinstallation though |
| 00:49.45 | m4lu5 | i "oopsed", and upgraded to 4.3 |
| 00:49.48 | joh | albino: perhaps that is the best bet? |
| 00:49.53 | sgeigerbot | normally I don't have problems, I think.... |
| 00:49.53 | albino | joh: Then that may be enough to bring you back to life |
| 00:49.59 | guestish | well, i installed and set up lprng to work with foomatic, yet i still have the same problem that i had before where the text is huge |
| 00:50.05 | joh | albino: synaptic or your command? |
| 00:50.06 | albino | joh: Probably, is this a production system? |
| 00:50.08 | guestish | no matter what prints |
| 00:50.13 | albino | joh: pick synaptic first |
| 00:50.15 | joh | albino: no, not at all. |
| 00:50.23 | guestish | could it be foomatic thats causing the problem? |
| 00:50.25 | joh | albino: ok :) thanks alot |
| 00:50.28 | jeanpoldeux | m4lu5: are you s**** ? 4.2 is an upgrade of 4.1 |
| 00:50.34 | albino | joh: Well then its probably worth a shot |
| 00:50.57 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, it could be. That or lprng have you tried cups? |
| 00:51.06 | jeanpoldeux | m4lu5: sorry I missed a line |
| 00:51.09 | albino | joh: A reinstall of all of your pakcages should rebuild /bin or whatever it was you started an rm -rf on |
| 00:51.13 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: i originally had the problem with cups, then i switched to lprng to see if it would ifx it |
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| 00:51.21 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: fix* |
| 00:51.25 | m4lu5 | *smack*smack* |
| 00:51.30 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: this is a recent problem, just started today |
| 00:51.31 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, what printer? |
| 00:51.38 | jeanpoldeux | :P |
| 00:51.48 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: right now im using hpijs with HP Deskjet 932c |
| 00:52.12 | JoshTriplett | guestish: That's the previous printer I had. Works great with CUPS and hpijs and foomatic. |
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| 00:52.30 | guestish | JoshTriplett: ya, same here, its just all of a sudden im having this problem |
| 00:52.31 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, did you play with fonts today. |
| 00:52.39 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: nope |
| 00:52.39 | m4lu5 | bloody hell. |
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| 00:52.53 | ^nicko^ | hi folks |
| 00:52.53 | JoshTriplett | guestish: What problems did you have with CUPS? |
| 00:52.58 | joh | albino: ok, great (it was just /usr) |
| 00:53.03 | ^nicko^ | is there an xorg apt archive out there? |
| 00:53.07 | guestish | JoshTriplett: the text was way too zoomed in for some reason, and i dont know how to fix it |
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| 00:53.21 | JoshTriplett | guestish: What did you upgrade? |
| 00:53.22 | guestish | JoshTriplett: its like zoomed in 300%, same problem with lprng |
| 00:53.26 | Mahdi | hi, how do I set linux to "do something" when an IR event occurs? |
| 00:53.28 | joh | albino: thanks for your help :) |
| 00:53.32 | guestish | JoshTriplett: no clue, i just did a standard upgrade |
| 00:53.52 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Right. So downgrade the stuff and see if it unbreaks. |
| 00:53.54 | ac1d | hello, does anyone know a place to get wmv3 codecs? |
| 00:53.59 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Then upgrade one at a time until it breaks. |
| 00:54.00 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio, I'm just wondering not bitching. Having said that why does the deb stats page think the last time I was here was 3 days ago? |
| 00:54.12 | guestish | JoshTriplett: i suppose, or i can just wait until an upgrade fixes it :) |
| 00:54.18 | guestish | JoshTriplett: though that might be a while |
| 00:54.21 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, did gv change by chance? |
| 00:54.28 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: gv? i dunno |
| 00:54.36 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, ghostview |
| 00:54.37 | jeanpoldeux | ac1d: windows.com :D |
| 00:54.37 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: you mean gs? |
| 00:54.45 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, yea |
| 00:54.47 | JoshTriplett | m4lu5: Why? |
| 00:55.19 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: it might of upgraded |
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| 00:55.26 | jeanpoldeux | ac1d: but seriously, look at mplayer.hu, could be that they are there |
| 00:55.28 | albino | joh: /usr seems to contain many executables. You're welcome, good luck. |
| 00:55.29 | joh | m4lu5: yes, if you have the package in your archive |
| 00:55.31 | directhex | ac1d, www.mplayerhq.hu |
| 00:55.34 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: right now im using gs-esp, ill try using gs-gnu |
| 00:55.38 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, that is the part that handles fonts in the chain. |
| 00:55.45 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: ok |
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| 00:55.52 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: i printed to a ps file and the fonts were fine |
| 00:56.02 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, IIRC which I'm pretty sure I do |
| 00:56.09 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: alright |
| 00:56.25 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: ill try changing gs right after this dist-upgrade |
| 00:56.43 | ac1d | directhex, i have mplayer with the windows codecs enabled, but it wont play |
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| 00:56.51 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, that would point the finger there. basically ghostview (or whatever variation you have) is what converts ps output from lprng or cups to stuff your printer can understand |
| 00:56.59 | Demosthenes | is there a way to pass a specific version to apt-get install? |
| 00:57.03 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: alrighty |
| 00:57.09 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: sounds reasonable |
| 00:57.34 | albino | Demosthenes: man apt-get. I just read about that |
| 00:57.37 | Mahdi | is there any way to set gnome to perform an actino when a key is pressed? |
| 00:57.50 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, for the longest time i thought it was the underpants gnomes. But then I learned this. :) |
| 00:57.56 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 00:58.09 | scarynetworkguy | must stay up |
| 00:58.14 | guestish | !coffee |
| 00:58.14 | dpkg | methinks coffee is the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
| 00:58.19 | albino | Mahdi: Check out the gnome shortcuts in the preferences |
| 00:58.20 | Demosthenes | albino: i'm on woody, and i just read it, unless i totally missed it |
| 00:58.22 | guestish | !coffee scarynetworkguy |
| 00:58.23 | directhex | scarynetworkguy, i hate to tell you, but you've been lied to. it WAS the underpants gnomes |
| 00:58.29 | guestish | lol |
| 00:58.33 | albino | Demosthenes: One sec |
| 00:58.40 | scarynetworkguy | guestish, coke cause it's hot |
| 00:58.47 | guestish | jolt :) |
| 00:58.54 | albino | Demosthenes: A specific version of a package can be selected for installation by following the package name with an |
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| 00:58.55 | albino | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.57 | jeanpoldeux | I have a problem in irssi, indenting nicks is working well, but if I load nickcolor.pl, everything falls back. Any Idea ? |
| 00:59.01 | scarynetworkguy | directhex, damn. Did the smoking man help them? |
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| 00:59.12 | Mahdi | albino, it refers only to gnome stuff like changing the desktop... i want it to "launch foo" or "kill bar" |
| 00:59.16 | guestish | well at least now im using lprng, doesnt it take up less resources than cups? |
| 00:59.16 | albino | Demosthenes: That of course will only work if the version you are looking for is in woody |
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| 00:59.25 | Alleria | can someone point me to a Debian/OS X dual-boot howto? Can't really find detailed instructions in the install guide. |
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| 00:59.34 | directhex | scarynetworkguy, it was the rand corporation, in conjunction with the saucer people, in association with the reverse vampires |
| 00:59.53 | Demosthenes | albino: true, but damn i just saw it, buring in the fourth paragraph of install. nm then |
| 00:59.56 | scarynetworkguy | directhex, very well played. |
| 00:59.57 | t-jack | Well someone tell me "You asked for it, using Sid...". :/ |
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| 00:59.59 | jcarr | sounds devious |
| 01:00.02 | scarynetworkguy | damn reverse vampires |
| 01:00.28 | jcarr | t-jack, simple, set your sources to unstable, update, and upgrade |
| 01:00.31 | jcarr | boom |
| 01:00.33 | directhex | scarynetworkguy, the network will show i loathe the undead |
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| 01:00.58 | scarynetworkguy | directhex, good. you would be shocked how many people are ill prepared for zombie attack |
| 01:01.03 | albino | Mahdi: Oh, I'm not at home on my gnome system. In that case my only thought is to check into gconf. Or whatever the gnome configuration tool is called. BTW I've never used it |
| 01:01.10 | k-god | Anyone know what namequery.com is or why MSIE would be searching it very frequently? |
| 01:01.28 | Mahdi | albino, hmm ok :) tkz anyway |
| 01:01.31 | mrwill | !anyone |
| 01:01.31 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 01:02.28 | albino | Alleria: http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2002/04/msg00429.html |
| 01:02.46 | directhex | scarynetworkguy, i think americans have the shotgun requirement under control, but they need the right ratio of red herbs to green herbs for when the zombies start biting. |
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| 01:02.58 | Alleria | albino: thanks much! :-D |
| 01:03.12 | albino | Alleria: Hope it works out for you |
| 01:03.23 | t-jack | jcarr: And of course the actual concern would far surpass such elementary advice. |
| 01:03.35 | albino | So how do you get a listing of all the possible ! commands? |
| 01:03.43 | scarynetworkguy | directhex, well yea. That is just common sense. *They* don't want you to know this but the real threat are the Ninja Zombies |
| 01:04.32 | _kaiser_ | What's the name of the program to see which process is using a certain device? |
| 01:04.36 | deadcat | ps -ef|grep root-tail |
| 01:04.42 | deadcat | oops. wrong term (= |
| 01:04.52 | tcsetattr | _kaiser_, it's called fuser |
| 01:04.53 | mrwill | _kaiser_: lsof |
| 01:05.19 | _kaiser_ | tcsetattr: I think that is which file, not device |
| 01:05.25 | _kaiser_ | mrwill: that's what I was looking for, thanks! |
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| 01:05.29 | tcsetattr | _kaiser_, everything is a file. |
| 01:05.37 | _kaiser_ | tcsetattr: hah, good point. :-) |
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| 01:06.09 | directhex | scarynetworkguy, NINJA zombies? and i thought nazi zombies were bad enough -_- |
| 01:06.29 | scarynetworkguy | directhex, yea well at least now you'll be prepared |
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| 01:06.57 | ^nicko^ | 1help |
| 01:06.57 | scarynetworkguy | directhex, but don't worry I'm sure W will take care of us. |
| 01:06.58 | ^nicko^ | !help |
| 01:07.07 | dan2 | anybody noticing strange side effects with their rtl8139 chipset cards and 2.6.7-1 |
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| 01:07.59 | directhex | scarynetworkguy, the only solution is a preemptive strike against the people of $middleeasterncountry who are creating the zombie menace |
| 01:08.19 | ^nicko^ | karma |
| 01:08.23 | ^nicko^ | oops |
| 01:08.26 | ^nicko^ | !karma |
| 01:08.26 | dpkg | ^nicko^ has neutral karma |
| 01:08.26 | scarynetworkguy | directhex, well of course. assuming they have oil that is. |
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| 01:08.30 | ^nicko^ | thought as much |
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| 01:09.21 | DigitalWizard | hey guys, when i try to use apt-get i get this error message: |
| 01:09.23 | DigitalWizard | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.55 | DigitalWizard | along with a bunch of other lines like that, about 15 total |
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| 01:10.17 | jcarr | ARGH!! |
| 01:10.36 | DigitalWizard | and when i run apt-get -f install, i get this error for all those lib files: |
| 01:10.36 | DigitalWizard | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxtst6_4.3.0.dfsg.1-6_i386.deb (--unpack):rn trying to overwrite `/usr/X11R6/lib/libXtst.so.6.1', which is also in package xlibsrndpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 01:10.36 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, DigitalWizard |
| 01:10.54 | DigitalWizard | anyone have any ideas???? |
| 01:11.09 | bougyman | DigitalWizard: you can --force-all on it and it will overwrite. |
| 01:11.23 | bougyman | might wanna save the original, but it just looks like a symlink. |
| 01:11.29 | DigitalWizard | on the apt-get -f install? |
| 01:12.00 | bougyman | no, dpkg -i --force-all /var/cache/apt/archives/.... |
| 01:12.05 | ^nicko^ | apt xorg |
| 01:12.06 | apt | ^nicko^: i don't know |
| 01:12.06 | bougyman | whatever the .dev is. |
| 01:12.12 | ^nicko^ | dpkg xorg |
| 01:12.12 | dpkg | i guess xorg is an alternative X implementation (a fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from the X.Org Foundation - the current release is X11R6.7. It will not be packaged for Debian in its current form - the next change will be to the modular tree. |
| 01:12.15 | _rene_ | DigitalWizard: where does your xlibs come from? unofficial one? |
| 01:12.17 | bougyman | er .deb |
| 01:12.29 | DigitalWizard | _rene_: yes, unofficial i believe |
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| 01:12.45 | _rene_ | then get official stuff and upgrade from there :-P |
| 01:12.57 | _rene_ | if you really are sure, use --force-overwrite |
| 01:13.05 | ^nicko^ | :P |
| 01:13.09 | _rene_ | but DON'T |
| 01:13.14 | _rene_ | :-P |
| 01:13.17 | bougyman | ^nicko^: what's the big deal with it? |
| 01:13.32 | bougyman | it seems to be everywhere now, slack10, FC2. |
| 01:13.54 | ^nicko^ | indeed |
| 01:13.54 | _rene_ | oh, slack got legal again? |
| 01:13.56 | albino | Licensing... |
| 01:14.03 | ^nicko^ | everywhere but debian at the moment |
| 01:14.17 | _rene_ | I know suse does not ship it either |
| 01:14.26 | _rene_ | they ship a 4.3.999 |
| 01:14.32 | bougyman | does xorg have license problems? |
| 01:14.45 | _rene_ | as Debian basically does too what the drivers concern |
| 01:14.47 | bougyman | i'm totally clueless on this stuff. been in a 3 month implementation. |
| 01:15.03 | guestish | ahhh |
| 01:15.03 | _rene_ | bougyman: no x.org is a fork of xfree |
| 01:15.06 | guestish | well the problem isnt gs |
| 01:15.12 | guestish | i changed my gs to gs-gpl, same problem |
| 01:15.12 | guestish | =( |
| 01:15.14 | _rene_ | bougyman: because xfree86 now has license problems |
| 01:15.14 | cafuego | ^nicko^: What's stopping you from getting a tarball and installing it? |
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| 01:15.30 | _rene_ | bougyman: you are not allowed to link gpl apps/libs against XF86 4.4 |
| 01:15.31 | ^nicko^ | the fact that I'm a lazy mofo? :P |
| 01:15.36 | guestish | this sucks |
| 01:15.38 | bougyman | _rene_: i didn't know about that. |
| 01:15.43 | bougyman | when/why? |
| 01:15.48 | guestish | why me |
| 01:15.53 | _rene_ | months ago |
| 01:15.56 | cafuego | ^nicko^: I'm sure Daniel Stone would _love_ an email asking when the X.Org packages will be done. |
| 01:16.04 | ^nicko^ | lol |
| 01:16.09 | _rene_ | after sarge(tm) |
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| 01:16.15 | _rene_ | :-) |
| 01:16.18 | ^nicko^ | cafuego: I assume this is a burning question amongst the community |
| 01:16.22 | bougyman | i'll have to go do some reading. |
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| 01:16.34 | DigitalWizard | could those errors have to do with the fact that im running X? |
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| 01:16.38 | bougyman | hrm. |
| 01:16.43 | deadcat | i would love to try xorg when its in a .deb, hope that would stop crashing my box/X in 2.6 )= |
| 01:16.43 | bougyman | xorg.org? |
| 01:16.50 | cafuego | ^nicko^: Most of the community is eithe rhappy with "when it's ready" or would package it themselves if they had an extremely pressing need. |
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| 01:16.59 | cafuego | bougyman: www.x.org |
| 01:17.03 | deadcat | xorg supports translucent right? |
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| 01:18.09 | noud | .bans |
| 01:18.18 | noud | oops |
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| 01:18.24 | guestish | well the problem isnt gs, it isnt cups/lprng, it isnt foomatic, what is it??/ |
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| 01:22.11 | directhex | guestish, what was the printer? |
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| 01:23.02 | t-jack | Does anyone have an apt sources.list that actually works? I need to know if the connection failure is my host, my ISP, or the apt targets. |
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| 01:23.39 | kjm | t-jack : I've had no problems. |
| 01:23.53 | mrwill | !woody sources.list |
| 01:23.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, woody sources.list is "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main contrib non-free" and "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security woody/updates main contrib non-free" and "deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" |
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| 01:24.32 | Kraig | i have windows on one partition of my hd, is there a way to use it? what do i need for it? (apt-cache returns too much and nothing seems to be what i'm seaerching for..) |
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| 01:24.55 | mrwill | Kraig: use it for what? |
| 01:24.56 | t-jack | mrwill: Thanks. I need Sid. |
| 01:25.02 | kjm | Kraig : Just need to have a shared data partition formatted using fat32 |
| 01:25.22 | Kraig | mrwill: i have to work a while with visio for my university |
| 01:25.36 | mrwill | Kraig: so you want to reboot into windows? |
| 01:25.47 | Kraig | mrwill: that's not what i want |
| 01:25.56 | mrwill | !wayttd Kraig |
| 01:25.56 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Kraig? |
| 01:26.17 | kjm | Kraig : I am assuming you wish to share data so both *nix and Windows can access (read/write) it? |
| 01:26.32 | Kraig | kjm: that's done |
| 01:26.59 | kjm | Kraig : ooookkkk, then you just need to make sure that the FAT32 partition is mounted. |
| 01:27.00 | Kraig | so, is there a way to "load" it while using debian? |
| 01:27.13 | mwilson | Why do people find it so hard to simply look at the list of mirrors? |
| 01:27.13 | Kraig | kjm: i can load it.... |
| 01:27.13 | SharkY | hi :-D |
| 01:27.16 | kjm | edit fstab if I'm not mistaken...... |
| 01:27.23 | mrwill | !fstab |
| 01:27.23 | dpkg | somebody said fstab was a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. |
| 01:27.37 | kjm | ty mrwill |
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| 01:28.25 | Kraig | kjm: i can work with the windows partitions, what i want to do (and excuse me if i can't make myself clear) is to have windows working over debian.... |
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| 01:28.52 | mrwill | Kraig: maybe you want plex86? |
| 01:28.53 | deadcat | some XORG stuff. http://www.vivalinux.com.ar/article-xorg-debian-sarge.html |
| 01:29.01 | kjm | Kraig : You need a Virtual PC for that then (if it is you wish to use the Windows OS in *nix) |
| 01:29.05 | Kraig | mrwill: lemme take a look at it |
| 01:29.10 | mrwill | !plex86 |
| 01:29.10 | dpkg | somebody said plex86 was vmware clone by author of bochs at http://www.plex86.org/. Name changed from freemware., or now boots Windows 95, or preliminar debian packages in http://people.debian.org/~jsogo/plex86/, or final packages are now in the archive. |
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| 01:29.20 | Kraig | kjm: that's what i'm searching for ! :P |
| 01:29.37 | kjm | Kraig : Then, I believe you have found it ^^ |
| 01:30.12 | mrwill | whoops, plex86 is linux only, I forgot... |
| 01:30.13 | t-jack | kjm: Must be my ISP, then. Cannot possibly be localhost... |
| 01:30.37 | Kraig | :P |
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| 01:31.24 | kjm | Kraig : You need this both ways Kraig? Linux <--> Windows ? Or, is having a VirtualPC to run windows from debian enough? |
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| 01:31.57 | Kraig | kjm: just a virtualpc to run windows from debian |
| 01:32.16 | mrwill | Kraig: are you sure wine won't cut it? |
| 01:32.40 | straw | well, dang oss emu10k1 continues to load no matter what i try. is the absence of /etc/modprobe.conf on sarge normal? |
| 01:33.05 | straw | with a 2.6 kernel, btw |
| 01:33.07 | Kraig | mrwill: i just made an apt-cache but was a lot and nothing seemed to fit to my problem, lemme c wine |
| 01:33.10 | kjm | mrwill : visio is pretty sepcialised (which is what I think Kraig said he needed to run) |
| 01:33.11 | Kraig | thanks a lot btw |
| 01:33.20 | mrwill | sure |
| 01:33.22 | kjm | not sure if wine would do that |
| 01:33.23 | Kraig | oh, i c... |
| 01:33.28 | Eclipser | straw, well, I don't have it :) |
| 01:33.36 | kjm | visio uses a lot of direect draw crapola right? |
| 01:33.43 | mrwill | kjm: neither am I, but it's easier than trying a virtual machine within another. |
| 01:33.47 | Eclipser | straw, check /etc/modules and /etc/modules.conf |
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| 01:34.18 | kjm | mrwill : easier is an understatement of the year I think. |
| 01:34.20 | afaik | how is visio? |
| 01:34.29 | mrwill | !lame dgyjdghgdhgj |
| 01:34.29 | dpkg | Ugh, dgyjdghgdhgj's aura of lame is affecting me! |
| 01:34.40 | kjm | Kraig : do you use it soooooo much, that dual booting is to much of a pain? |
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| 01:35.21 | Ungy | dgyjdghgdhgj what the hell you pinging me for |
| 01:35.27 | dgyjdghgdhgj | sorry |
| 01:35.31 | straw | Eclipser: i've been through those several times. been using linux for quite a while, but i'm a debian noob :) (just "switched" ;) |
| 01:35.50 | dgyjdghgdhgj | dude fuck off, I just installed IRC for the first time |
| 01:35.57 | Kraig | kjm: dunno what dual booting means... just saw some SunPC on my university loading Windows, and i was wondering if i could do that... |
| 01:35.59 | mrwill | straw: you sure nothing is being loaded that requires the oss modules? |
| 01:36.05 | kjm | Dude, stfu and stop pinging people in the room....its damn annoying |
| 01:36.14 | dgyjdghgdhgj | Fuck you. jesus |
| 01:36.27 | straw | mrwill: i suspect emu10k1_gp, actually |
| 01:36.29 | Eclipser | straw, what was your problem again? emu10k1 loading even though you don't want it to?-p |
| 01:36.31 | mrwill | Kraig: dual booting means you can boot either operating system, but only run one at a time |
| 01:36.37 | mrwill | straw: yeah, that's probably it. |
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| 01:36.53 | kjm | dgyjdgdhfdsjhd |
| 01:36.56 | mrwill | straw: hang on, I have one of those cards, emu10k1, that is. |
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| 01:37.01 | kjm | You are a lovely human being |
| 01:37.04 | straw | Eclipser: right, alsa's all set up |
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| 01:37.29 | Kraig | mrwill: well... isn't that what i see on lilo at booting when i can choose which OS to run? |
| 01:37.34 | dgyjdghgdhgj | kjm, you are why people dont like irc |
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| 01:37.41 | mrwill | Kraig: absolutely! |
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| 01:37.48 | kjm | Kraig : exactly |
| 01:37.57 | ubb | I don't like irc because random people keep pinging me |
| 01:37.59 | brunner | is it possible to use rfcomm to dial using my bluetooth cell phone? (bluetooth and multisync function correctly, I'm just not use if rfcomm is the right tool) |
| 01:38.04 | Kraig | mmm... but that's not what i'm searching for... |
| 01:38.05 | mrwill | !dual boot |
| 01:38.05 | dpkg | i heard dual boot is This describes a system that can boot to two different operating systems. Some OSs, such as Windows NT and OS/2, allow for dual booting when installed. Of course, you can also use other methods such as commercial programs that install a special boot partition that is capable of launching operating systems from other partitions. You can also boot to more than two operating systems on the same machine. |
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| 01:38.44 | kjm | dgyjdghgdhgj : You are the reason that people dislike newbies on irc. Please learn some manners, don't randomly CTCP users, ping, send unwanted private messages. |
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| 01:38.44 | safrican | I love Apt! |
| 01:38.57 | Kraig | lol |
| 01:39.02 | mrwill | straw: the module you described is loaded on mmy system, along with the alsa modules... that can't be the one that is causing oss to load. |
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| 01:39.27 | Kraig | so, i guess i can't make myself clear... right? |
| 01:39.36 | kjm | Kraig : lol, nah. |
| 01:39.41 | mrwill | Kraig: no, you are actually doing pretty well. |
| 01:39.47 | Kraig | thanks |
| 01:40.15 | Kraig | so, plex86 or wine? or something else? |
| 01:40.21 | straw | mrwill: well crap. :) do you have /etc/modprobe.conf? on sarge or sid? |
| 01:40.32 | coredmp | anyone here tried meshAP? |
| 01:40.35 | mrwill | Kraig: try wine first |
| 01:40.40 | Kraig | ok, thanks |
| 01:40.40 | kjm | Kraig : plex86 will not work for your purpose. Look at the wine project. |
| 01:40.40 | coredmp | host based APs? |
| 01:40.44 | mrwill | straw: yes I do, just a moment... |
| 01:41.04 | kjm | mrwill : damn, I'm trying to help.....but your typing is just to f'in damn fast. |
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| 01:41.20 | witless | hi. anyone using GnuCash? |
| 01:41.26 | mrwill | kjm: allow me to put in a plug for dvorak layout now... |
| 01:41.40 | kjm | mrwill : point taken :) |
| 01:41.46 | mrwill | straw: both /etc/modules and /etc/modules.conf are empty on my system. |
| 01:41.47 | cafuego | Any suggestions as to why my SpamAssassin via amavisd-new setup scores *every* mail at -4.8 ? |
| 01:42.08 | kjm | witless : I got no $$, so I've never bothered |
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| 01:42.14 | Kraig | lol |
| 01:42.17 | straw | mrwill: aha. you're on sarge? |
| 01:42.22 | safrican | Ok.. I am wondering if i can add um.. options to configure when i do: apt-get source -b foo .. cause if i want the prefix to be /usr/local how would i do that? |
| 01:42.24 | mrwill | straw: sid |
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| 01:42.35 | heath | How can I see what packages are installed? |
| 01:42.39 | mrwill | dpkg -l |
| 01:42.39 | dpkg | mrwill: no idea |
| 01:42.41 | straw | mrwill: ah ok, that explains a lot |
| 01:42.45 | Kraig | heath: dpkg -l |
| 01:42.45 | safrican | heath: dpkg -l |
| 01:42.48 | Kraig | lol |
| 01:42.50 | safrican | :) |
| 01:42.50 | heath | Thanks guys. |
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| 01:46.02 | straw | now i get to debate moving to sid :) |
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| 01:46.49 | mrwill | straw: there must be something you've missed. so you have installed the packages (alsa-base, alsa-util, etc) and have run alsaconf, and it worked? |
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| 01:48.31 | garth2 | I need quick info.. |
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| 01:48.52 | mrwill | garth2: maybe you should ask a quick question. |
| 01:48.58 | straw | mrwill: well, upon install i noticed both alsa modules and oss modules loaded. since then i've installed and set up all the necessary alsa packages |
| 01:49.00 | garth2 | How comes that Sarge CDs are not distinguished |
| 01:49.13 | garth2 | between US and non_US? |
| 01:50.03 | mrwill | straw: that is odd, are you sure those aren't alsa oss compatibility modules? |
| 01:50.12 | safrican | Is there some way I can pass arguments to the configure file, for example, prefix ? when i do, apt-get source -b foo ? |
| 01:50.16 | straw | mrwill: i've yet to run alsaconf since i expect it'll want /etc/modprobe.conf. also, i installed with linux26 |
| 01:50.28 | garth2 | I asked.. |
| 01:50.39 | mrwill | straw: first run alsaconf |
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| 01:51.53 | garth2 | can anyone help? I don't want to stress debian servers DLing unuseful stuff.. |
| 01:52.01 | Anthro | How do I tell what runlevel I am at? |
| 01:52.10 | mrwill | Anthro: runlevel |
| 01:52.14 | mrwill | !runlevel |
| 01:52.14 | dpkg | i heard runlevel is 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot, or see also runlevels |
| 01:52.20 | straw | brb |
| 01:52.28 | Anthro | mrwill: Well, that was easy. Thanks. |
| 01:52.33 | mrwill | Anthro: sure! |
| 01:52.34 | Kraig | ok.... it looks like wine is used to run windows applications... |
| 01:52.39 | mrwill | Kraig: yep |
| 01:52.41 | mrwill | !wine |
| 01:52.41 | dpkg | wine is, like, at http://www.winehq.com/. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcohol beverage. |
| 01:52.43 | Kraig | but is there a way to load the whole windows? |
| 01:52.46 | Anthro | mrwill: What does the N mean? I get N 2. |
| 01:52.56 | mrwill | Anthro: that's level 2 I believ. |
| 01:53.13 | Anthro | mrwill: Sure, it's 2, but there is that N. |
| 01:53.14 | mrwill | Kraig: wine is an alternate API that stands in for windows. |
| 01:53.15 | safrican | Anthro: you can also check /etc/inittab for the runlevel verification cause sometimes, runlevels are different in different distros |
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| 01:53.35 | t-jack | kjm: etherape shows my network traffic to be strong. And all unofficial sources scan smoothely. Only the official sources are timing out. |
| 01:53.44 | mrwill | Kraig: it doesn't load windows -- it's like a substitute. |
| 01:53.47 | Anthro | safrican: Well, I was pretty sure that Debian defaults to 2, and every runlevel (other than 0, 1, and 6) being the same. |
| 01:54.10 | mrwill | Anthro: does default to 2, but all the others aren't the same |
| 01:54.13 | mrwill | !runlevels |
| 01:54.13 | dpkg | read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d |
| 01:54.15 | safrican | 0 is halt, 1 is single level && 6 is reboot |
| 01:54.37 | Anthro | mrwill: Ah, so reading the man pages I see that the N is where the previous runlevel would go. |
| 01:54.51 | Anthro | safrican: Sure, I know that. |
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| 01:55.15 | mrwill | Anthro: yeah, that's what my man page says too. |
| 01:55.21 | safrican | Anthro: sorry, i was just saying. |
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| 01:55.46 | d3s | hello i got this error message "Warning: CPU frequency out of sync: cpufreq and timing core thinks.." and i found that the cpufreq.c file needs to be patched, how can i patch it? |
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| 01:56.04 | Nosf3ratu | mwilson around? |
| 01:56.14 | subvertir | Hi, I just tried to do aptitude install gnome on a sid machine, and it failed with "gnome: Depends: gnome-office (= 56) but it is not installable" - anyone know how to fix this? |
| 01:56.15 | kjm | Kraig : It seems you can get Visio working on linux using CrossOver office http://www.codeweavers.com/site/products/ |
| 01:56.16 | straw | sound 83372 1 emu10k1 |
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| 01:56.31 | straw | that is the oss module, no? |
| 01:56.39 | mrwill | subvertir: have you apt-get update'd lately? |
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| 01:56.51 | subvertir | like 20 minutes ago |
| 01:57.06 | mboso | anyone have any idea why X font information wouldn't update after making changes to XF86config, running fc-cache -f and xset fp rehash then restarting X? |
| 01:57.11 | kjm | t-jack : not sure what the issue is. I just ran apt-get update 10 mins ago...no issues. Have your tried pingning the deb. servers? |
| 01:57.14 | sgeigerbot | kjm: In my experience, unless you have a BLAZING fast machine, those crossover solutions are going to be annoyingly sluggish. |
| 01:57.15 | subvertir | k it's all up-to-date |
| 01:57.22 | Kraig | kjm: thanks! |
| 01:57.24 | subvertir | same error |
| 01:57.26 | mrwill | straw: could be -- all alsa modules start with snd-* on my system. |
| 01:57.39 | kjm | sgeigerbot : I know, but easier than running a whole virtual PC in order to get Visio running. |
| 01:57.44 | safrican | mboso: restart xfs ? |
| 01:58.12 | subvertir | k gnome-core works |
| 01:58.21 | safrican | subvertir: try xfce :P |
| 01:58.46 | mrwill | d3s: how did you get that error message? |
| 01:58.54 | kjm | Kraig : you may want to look at dia as an alternative to visio : http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia Not as powerful, but its done everything I've needed. |
| 01:59.04 | Anthro | Okay, here's the fun part. I have a cryptoloop (with LVM on top) that has my home directories. I have a script I wrote that creates the loopback device (asking me for a password), mounts the partitions, etc. Of course, if it fails (e.g. I mistype the password), various things shouldn't start (MTA, IMAP, Apache2). Can I set it up so that my script runs first in runlevel 3 (along with other such things) and nothing else proceeds if it fails? |
| 01:59.30 | garth2 | does anybody know why Sarge CDs are not distinguished |
| 01:59.34 | garth2 | between US and non_US? |
| 01:59.57 | debian-san | Is there anyone who has tried to build the unstable version of Mutt with Unicode support? I would like to know if it goes easy or not. |
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| 02:00.11 | v_2 | can someone try an "echo [a-z]*' with bash in a directory that contains a file that starts with a capital letter? |
| 02:00.22 | t-jack | kjm: Trying pinging. But traceroute, while sticky, finished the traces. |
| 02:00.27 | d3s | mrwill: dmesg and after getting off from suspend |
| 02:00.37 | tcsetattr | v_2, I sense that you are looking for export LANG=C |
| 02:00.49 | v_2 | tcsetattr, i have unset LANG |
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| 02:00.54 | garth2 | quit |
| 02:00.58 | ReVisions | hey, hey, how can i make alsa identify my soundcard |
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| 02:01.19 | kjm | t-jack, I can msg you my sources.list and preferences file if you want to compare..... |
| 02:01.20 | v_2 | tcsetattr, and nocaseglob is off |
| 02:01.20 | Anthro | ReVisions: By loading the appropriate sound module. |
| 02:01.35 | ReVisions | Anthro, yea but i dont know what is my module |
| 02:01.40 | Anthro | ReVisions: discover might help with this, but it seems to prefer OSS modules. |
| 02:01.43 | t-jack | kjm: Please go. :) |
| 02:01.50 | t-jack | kjm: Please do. :) |
| 02:01.54 | kjm | kk, gimmie a min then. |
| 02:01.56 | Anthro | ReVisions: use lspci to find out |
| 02:02.06 | ReVisions | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 24d5 (rev 02) |
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| 02:02.41 | mrwill | d3s: what architecture are you on? |
| 02:02.45 | Anthro | ReVisions: If you're lucky, it's compatible with the intel8x0 driver. If not, you're SOL. Try modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
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| 02:03.30 | ReVisions | modprobe: Can't locate module snd-intel8x0 |
| 02:03.48 | Anthro | ReVisions: Looks like you don't have ALSA installed. |
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| 02:03.53 | kjm | t-jack, sending you sources.list |
| 02:04.17 | ReVisions | Anthro, installed alsa-utils |
| 02:04.18 | d3s | Gathond: x86 |
| 02:04.25 | ReVisions | apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 02:04.27 | d3s | mrwill: x86 |
| 02:04.29 | joh | anything tricksy about mounting DVD-R data CDs (iso9660) on linux? |
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| 02:04.42 | Anthro | ReVisions: That's just utilities, not the kernel modules. What kernel are you using? What does uname -r tell you? |
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| 02:04.58 | morth | hi |
| 02:05.01 | mrwill | d3s: what kernel version are you running? |
| 02:05.09 | mboso | safrican : son of bitch. i can't believe i didn't think of that. |
| 02:05.13 | garth2_ | Hi! Does anyone know why Sarge CDs aren't distinguished |
| 02:05.13 | jason384 | how do i change my eth dev settings? |
| 02:05.16 | mboso | safrican : thanks :-) |
| 02:05.23 | garth2_ | between US and non_US? |
| 02:05.25 | t-jack | kjm: It's not transfering... |
| 02:05.26 | mboso | safrican : though, shouldn't it be started when i restart X? |
| 02:05.26 | ReVisions | Anthro, 2.4.20 |
| 02:05.27 | safrican | mboso: yup. |
| 02:05.36 | safrican | mboso: not really cause it starts on boot |
| 02:05.39 | mrwill | jason384: ifconfig |
| 02:05.43 | mrwill | !ifconfig |
| 02:05.47 | d3s | mrwill: kernel 267, linux debian, thinkpad.. never had this on kernel 265 |
| 02:05.56 | mboso | safrican : damn. ok. i'll try that |
| 02:05.58 | kjm | t-jack : hmmmmmmm, ok...probably my router......kk, I'll just copy paste in a pm |
| 02:06.01 | morth | anyone has a problem with sarge netinst? regarding to the partitioning: when using more than one partition it can't move to the installation |
| 02:06.05 | jason384 | bash |
| 02:06.05 | Anthro | ReVisions: Did you compile it yourself, or did you install a Debian kernel? |
| 02:06.18 | jason384 | bash ifconfig : command not found |
| 02:06.20 | ReVisions | i didnt compile new kernel yet |
| 02:06.22 | garth2_ | then please tell me...is this irc.freenode.org or irc.debian.org? |
| 02:06.23 | jason384 | i need to be root? |
| 02:06.38 | d3s | garth2_: define distinguish |
| 02:06.41 | safrican | jason384: yeah |
| 02:06.44 | mrwill | d3s: Did you build your own kernel? |
| 02:06.48 | safrican | garth2_: it's like a symlink |
| 02:06.51 | mrwill | garth2_: both |
| 02:06.52 | d3s | yup |
| 02:07.00 | garth2_ | separated image files |
| 02:07.00 | safrican | mrwill: :) |
| 02:07.08 | Anthro | ReVisions: You are running sarge? |
| 02:07.08 | garth2_ | both? |
| 02:07.18 | ReVisions | yea |
| 02:07.30 | safrican | Is there some way I can pass arguments to the configure file, for example, prefix ? when i do, apt-get source -b foo ? |
| 02:07.38 | d3s | garth2_: the name of the file.. how;d you get it jigdo? |
| 02:07.40 | Anthro | ReVisions: You have an Intel processor (not AMD)? |
| 02:07.41 | safrican | can some please help me? |
| 02:07.41 | mrwill | d3s: well then, you could try downloading a patch if you know where it is, and applying it to your kernel sources, then recompiling your kernel. |
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| 02:07.49 | jason384 | i gotta execute login from the lowest level "Sh" |
| 02:07.49 | Anthro | ReVisions: p3 or p4 or something? |
| 02:07.55 | ReVisions | p4 |
| 02:07.59 | ReVisions | 2.8 |
| 02:08.08 | garth2_ | I dunno what the heck to tell jigdo to DL, since I want the non_US |
| 02:08.21 | garth2_ | but I'm afraid to get the US |
| 02:08.24 | v_2 | can someone try "echo [a-z]*" with the bash from unstable, in a directory that contains a file starting with a capital letter? No, my LANG is not a problem, it's set to C |
| 02:08.27 | garth2_ | and to have to reDL |
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| 02:08.41 | Anthro | ReVisions: grand. Do this: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.26-1-686 alsa-modules-2.4.26-1-686 |
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| 02:09.01 | garth2_ | for the stable the difference is clear |
| 02:09.06 | mrwill | d3s: you use diff to apply patches to stuff... |
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| 02:09.16 | safrican | garth2_: might i suggest installing woody and upgrading to Unstable or Testing ? |
| 02:09.25 | ReVisions | Anthro, ok one second |
| 02:09.56 | garth2_ | ? I should dl much more then!Why? |
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| 02:10.18 | d3s | mrwill: i did this on /usr/src/linux-2.6.7/drivers/cpufreq .............. patch cpufreq.c cpufreq.patch.. but i got this |
| 02:10.24 | d3s | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.25 | d3s | patching file cpufreq.c |
| 02:10.25 | d3s | Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] yes |
| 02:10.25 | d3s | Hunk #1 succeeded at 33 with fuzz 2. |
| 02:10.25 | d3s | Hunk #3 FAILED at 189. |
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| 02:10.48 | mrwill | well, I told him to use diff... |
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| 02:11.03 | garth2_ | DAMN! He's the one who was answering me! |
| 02:11.11 | d3s | sorry for that guys.. I should have did that on #flood |
| 02:11.21 | mwilson | v_2: Exactly what did you expect to happen, and why is it better to give stupid quizzes rather than actually describing the problem you think you have? |
| 02:11.45 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: Nice... |
| 02:11.47 | mrwill | d3s: I think you need to use diff to apply that patch, not 'patch'. |
| 02:11.56 | d3s | garth2_: so you never use jigdo? |
| 02:12.03 | safrican | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.03 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: I'm tempted to borrow that one. |
| 02:12.10 | safrican | why doesn't apt-get source cover the deps |
| 02:12.10 | d3s | mrwill: diff?.. lemme man |
| 02:12.11 | safrican | ? |
| 02:12.17 | garth2_ | I wanna use it right now |
| 02:12.26 | v_2 | mwilson, I expected the file with the capital letter to not be in the output |
| 02:12.27 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: <shrug> He already doesn't understand the problem, but he thinks he can give examples? |
| 02:12.28 | Anthro | safrican: Because apt-get build-dep does. |
| 02:12.32 | garth2_ | only if I knew what to use it with! |
| 02:12.34 | v_2 | i thought that was evident |
| 02:12.36 | mwilson | v_2: And it isn't. Your point? |
| 02:12.39 | safrican | Anthro: thanks |
| 02:12.40 | mrwill | d3s: it's like diff < name_of_patch, usually. |
| 02:12.43 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: well, maybe he's much smarter than we are. :-) |
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| 02:12.57 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: At least, I know *I* can't do that. |
| 02:13.09 | mwilson | rei $ ls |
| 02:13.09 | mwilson | Aa aa |
| 02:13.09 | v_2 | mwilson, cool, then it's a problem with my setup. that's what i wanted to know |
| 02:13.20 | safrican | Anthro: so i need to run apt-get build-dep source -b foo ? |
| 02:13.25 | mwilson | rei $ LANG=C echo [a-z]* |
| 02:13.25 | mwilson | aa |
| 02:13.48 | v_2 | mwilson, just to clarify, is that the bash from unstable? |
| 02:13.55 | Anthro | safrican: Nope. apt-get build-dep foo; apt-get source -b foo |
| 02:14.01 | d3s | mrwill: didnt work with diff < patch |
| 02:14.05 | safrican | Anthro: Thanks a lot .. :) |
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| 02:14.18 | Supaplex | ~basf |
| 02:14.19 | apt | at BASF, we don't make the bull$hit. we make the bull$hit taste better. |
| 02:14.28 | mwilson | v_2: And it was somehow better to just quiz people? Consider that someone might set LANG=C, and set other variables to something else. |
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| 02:14.36 | d3s | garth2_: how'd you get the file then? |
| 02:14.38 | mrwill | d3s: I found your answer for real... |
| 02:14.39 | mwilson | v_2: What *are* you getting at, already? |
| 02:14.41 | mrwill | !patch |
| 02:14.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, patch is just a tool to handle text file mutations according to a common format known as 'diff'. For kernel patching use (depending on type of patch): 'patch -p1 < patch.diff' or 'zcat patch.gz | patch -p1' or 'bzcat patch.bz2 | patch -p1' |
| 02:14.55 | deadcat | mwilson: is it possible to disable the window frame on certain app? eg aterm? in openbox |
| 02:14.55 | v_2 | mwilson, I' |
| 02:15.01 | garth2_ | d3s: I wanna get it in the non_US version! |
| 02:15.02 | safrican | Anthro: do you know if i can add options to configure ? |
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| 02:15.11 | v_2 | mwilson, I'm just trying to figure out if there's a bug, or a problem with my setup |
| 02:15.15 | safrican | when trying to do apt-get source -b foo ? |
| 02:15.34 | mrwill | safrican: all you get is a source package when you do that. |
| 02:15.47 | garth2_ | d3s:but there seem not to be 2 different CD1-images, just ONE |
| 02:15.54 | Anthro | safrican: You can, but not with apt-get. You need to apt-get source foo, then muck in the debian/rules (and associated files) to get the config you want, then fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b. |
| 02:16.22 | mwilson | v_2: As opposed to actually describing the behavior you see, of course. Why, if you actually did *that*, someone might be able to tell you. In answer to your second question, yes, I am using *A* bash from unstable, although perhaps not the one you're using, since you apparently need to keep the one you're using a secret. |
| 02:16.28 | d3s | mrwill: it still comes with failed message |
| 02:16.38 | mwilson | deadcat: Sure. Right-click the titlebar, choose "decorate". |
| 02:16.47 | Anthro | Anyone know of a way to have an S script abort a runlevel switch? |
| 02:16.56 | garth2_ | d3s: I wanna know:is that US or non_US? Is there a non_US available? |
| 02:16.57 | mrwill | d3s: sorry... Are you trying it from the root directory of the kernel sources? |
| 02:17.03 | v_2 | mwilson, when I say "the" bash from unstable, I mean the latest bash from unstable -- isn't that clear? |
| 02:17.12 | deadcat | mwilson: thanks. (= openbox is pretty ncie, has all the stuff i need from fluxbox+wmaker. (= |
| 02:17.16 | mwilson | v_2: Not at all. Why would it be? |
| 02:17.20 | safrican | mrwill, Anthro, thanks.. my problem is that i need to compile from source for an app, if i do, it'll work but that won't function a dep cause apt doesn't know it's installed.. so i was trying to see if i can just get to compile the source with the given options using apt |
| 02:17.24 | sgeigerbot | Is sarge's module-init-tools new enough to compile a 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:17.25 | d3s | mrwill: root at /usr/src/linux-2.6.7/drivers/cqpufreq |
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| 02:17.44 | d3s | sgeigerbot: yup |
| 02:17.56 | mrwill | d3s: you shouldn't be in that subdirectory to apply a kernel patch. |
| 02:18.11 | Anthro | safrican: It isn't clear to me if you still have a problem and, if so, what it is. |
| 02:18.11 | d3s | garth2_: could you just paste the list of the file on #flodd |
| 02:18.13 | hax | i built my own kernel, but it wont boot, i get a VFS panic trying to load my root mount point |
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| 02:18.17 | d3s | garth2_: could you just paste the list of the file on #flood |
| 02:18.18 | v_2 | mwilson, because I wouldn't talk about a bug about a program in unstable that may have been fixed in a later version... Sheesh. |
| 02:18.22 | hax | i've got ext2/3 compiled in... so what could cause that? |
| 02:18.27 | mrwill | d3s: try putting the patch file in /usr/src/linux-2.6.7 and running the command dpkg mentioned a minute ago |
| 02:18.36 | deadcat | mwilson: is it possible to remember the decorate? |
| 02:18.37 | mrwill | d3s: from that directory, root of kernel sources. |
| 02:18.42 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: When did schools stop teaching people how to think again? |
| 02:18.48 | mwilson | deadcat: No. |
| 02:18.56 | Hamled | like 5 years ago |
| 02:18.57 | tcsetattr | v_2, does your problem also happen with ash? or zsh? |
| 02:18.58 | mrwill | hax: did you use the --initrd option when you built it? |
| 02:19.00 | garth2_ | d3s:it's simple:sarge1, sarge2,...,sarge13 |
| 02:19.05 | Anthro | mwilson: When was the last time schools taught people to think? Ancient Greece, perhaps? |
| 02:19.05 | deadcat | mwilson: doh |
| 02:19.07 | hax | mrwill: i dont think so... why? |
| 02:19.08 | v_2 | tcsetattr, no... nor dash, or ksh |
| 02:19.08 | kjm | mwilson : early 80's |
| 02:19.11 | hax | mrwill: how's that related? |
| 02:19.13 | mwilson | deadcat: There's a patch on the bugzilla, but it's not been decided if it'll be integrated yet. |
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| 02:19.22 | safrican | Anthro: I have Postfix installed with Cyrus-SASL.. (compiled from source,etc).. now i need to apt-get' mutt but with mutt it's installing a MTA (Exim4) because it thinks that i don't have a MTA Installed.. |
| 02:19.25 | sgeigerbot | d3s: I thought so...but an odd thing just happened: I did a debootstrap of sarge, and then compiled my 2.6 kernel. It compiled okay, but I got the "QM_MODULES: Function not implemented" error when I tried to modprobe modules. And, even though I just did a sarge debootstrap, I was apt-get upgrade my module-init-tools just now. Odd. |
| 02:19.27 | mrwill | hax: well, obviously your kernel lacks the driver necessary to mount your root filesystem. |
| 02:19.37 | hax | mrwill: indeed |
| 02:19.43 | hax | mrwill: will building in initrd support do that? |
| 02:19.49 | d3s | failed.. probably i have to get another patch? |
| 02:19.54 | mwilson | safrican: No, it thinks you don't have a package installed that provides mail-transport-agent. So, provide one. |
| 02:20.01 | tcsetattr | safrican, make yourself a dummy MTA package with equivs, then dpkg will be happy again |
| 02:20.06 | sgeigerbot | d3s: I seriously doubt that this sarge package was updated within the last hour. |
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| 02:20.07 | mrwill | hax: should fix it, yes. |
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| 02:20.30 | mrwill | hax: also make sure to build with support for whatever your root filesystem type is into the kernel, not as a module. |
| 02:20.40 | mwilson | Sixty... |
| 02:20.45 | safrican | tcsetattr: cool. so the dummy package will not take up any space ? |
| 02:20.47 | Anthro | safrican: So, basically, you installed some stuff from source but not Debian source and, therefore, invisible to the packaging system. A poor choice. Use apt-get source to compile postfix if you really need to compile it yourself. |
| 02:20.49 | mrwill | d3s: yes, it seems you may have a bum patch, are you sure it was for your kernel version? |
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| 02:21.11 | sgeigerbot | d3s: fuck...I think you're wrong.... Otherwise, I don't see why I'm still having a problem loading modules. |
| 02:21.13 | safrican | Anthro: I just realized that now. :( |
| 02:21.18 | red_one | /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 02:21.18 | red_one | Starting web server: Apache2Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/cgi.load: |
| 02:21.18 | red_one | module cgi_module is built-in and can't be loaded |
| 02:21.19 | red_one | wtf? |
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| 02:21.23 | Anthro | safrican: Why do you need your own compilation of postfix, anyway? |
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| 02:22.03 | d3s | mrwill: here http://www.linuxhq.com/kernel/v2.6/7/drivers/cpufreq/cpufreq.c |
| 02:22.08 | safrican | Anthro: Need SASL2 Support |
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| 02:22.22 | safrican | Anthro: Cyrus-SASL SMTP Authentication |
| 02:22.27 | garth2_ | d3s: don't worry, I'll keep searching debian site |
| 02:22.37 | cafuego | safrican: Why do you think debian doesn't have packages for that? |
| 02:22.37 | garth2_ | it's faster! ;) |
| 02:23.05 | Anthro | safrican: Look into postfix-tls |
| 02:23.12 | chris___ | I'm able to use minicom to manually dial phone numbers and a GPRS connection. However, I'm having trouble getting pon to do this automatically. Does anyone here have any experience with bluetooth GPRS over a T68i or T610? |
| 02:23.12 | d3s | garth2_: where'd you get those file? |
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| 02:23.25 | hax | chris___: i have a T616, but never tried gprs |
| 02:23.26 | mrwill | d3s: I think that patch is just to update the previous version of the file to the one in 2.6.7, ie the one you already have. |
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| 02:23.36 | safrican | cafuego: cause postfix needs to be make'd differently than normally for Sasl support |
| 02:23.39 | safrican | Anthro: i will |
| 02:24.06 | cafuego | safrican: No, wrong answer. The postfix in debian (postfix-tls) supports sasl (sasl2) just fine. |
| 02:24.24 | safrican | cool.. i'm looking it up |
| 02:24.26 | chris___ | hax: you should. it worked great during the 24 hours this laptop had windows on it. awesome for long road trips... |
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| 02:24.30 | mrwill | safrican: he's right, I'm using it with sasl auth right now. |
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| 02:24.47 | Anthro | Would it be bad juju to call init from an init script? |
| 02:25.03 | cafuego | safrican: The ONLY problem is that the sasl 2.1.18 packages don't do user@domain auth properly via pam_mysql |
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| 02:25.07 | Geren | hi |
| 02:25.13 | safrican | mrwill: k..cool |
| 02:25.13 | Geren | i'm gonna transcribe clinton's speech |
| 02:25.15 | Geren | now |
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| 02:25.30 | safrican | cafuego: 2.1.19 was the latest and according to the Change Log it's fixed right ? |
| 02:25.32 | Geren | (cheers applause) |
| 02:25.39 | Geren | (hillary clinton approaches) |
| 02:25.48 | Anthro | Geren: Um, perhaps this is the wrong channel for this. |
| 02:25.50 | cafuego | safrican: You're running unstable on a production box? |
| 02:25.57 | sgeigerbot | Who's Hillary Clinton? |
| 02:26.00 | Geren | (music plays) |
| 02:26.05 | Geren | thank you so much |
| 02:26.05 | safrican | cafuego: um.. yeah.. :P |
| 02:26.12 | sgeigerbot | Is that a Debian developer? |
| 02:26.14 | Geren | thank you ladies and gentlme man |
| 02:26.19 | Geren | i'm.. i'm pratcially speechless |
| 02:26.24 | mrwill | Geren: can you um, transcribe a little faster, please? |
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| 02:26.25 | d3s | mrwill: thx anyway |
| 02:26.29 | Geren | how ever, 12 hyears ago |
| 02:26.30 | tcsetattr | I for one have had enough of this |
| 02:26.36 | safrican | cafuego: Woody is too old.. or too stable |
| 02:26.38 | Geren | when our country needed new leadership |
| 02:26.40 | Geren | americans selected a democract |
| 02:26.46 | mrwill | d3s: sorry -- thought you had a specific patch to fix your problem, not this one. |
| 02:26.46 | Geren | who gave us 8 yeras |
| 02:26.46 | Geren | of peace |
| 02:26.48 | Geren | prosperity and promise |
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| 02:26.51 | Anthro | Geren: yes, transcribe fast enough to get kicked for flooding. |
| 02:26.52 | Geren | (audio cut() |
| 02:27.03 | cafuego | Geren: /j #fuckwits |
| 02:27.14 | sgeigerbot | Geren: did you do that with a program? |
| 02:27.16 | ubb | how come the screen gets messed up when I change resolution in KDE |
| 02:27.19 | tcsetattr | I think Hillary just said "Geren is a pigfucker" |
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| 02:27.28 | Geren | together we can |
| 02:27.29 | Geren | once again |
| 02:27.29 | sgeigerbot | !+pigfucker |
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| 02:27.34 | Geren | widen the circle of opporutnitu for all americans |
| 02:27.35 | Geren | we can |
| 02:27.36 | Geren | once again |
| 02:27.39 | Anthro | tcsetattr: Dude, don't say pigfucker in front of the DNC! |
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| 02:27.42 | cafuego | Geren: Go and spam somewhere else. |
| 02:27.44 | sgeigerbot | That's just wrong: there should be a factoid for that word. |
| 02:27.47 | kjm | !stfu |
| 02:27.47 | dpkg | somebody said stfu was Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 02:27.48 | Geren | transcend our differns and divisions, give our children a safter and more secure future |
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| 02:27.54 | cafuego | !ops |
| 02:27.54 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your problem. |
| 02:27.55 | trilluser | hi (newbie here, sorry) can anybody help with NETGEAR routers? |
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| 02:28.17 | overflow | Hi. Anyone uses zsh ? Im trying to set a profile vars (for eclipse) and I cann't |
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| 02:28.22 | mrwill | trilluser: oh yes, you came to the right place for NETGEAR routers! |
| 02:28.22 | Geren | he will lower the deficit not raiseit |
| 02:28.26 | Synapse- | good lord, I just log in and meet this! |
| 02:28.26 | Geren | he'll create good job,s not lose them |
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| 02:28.29 | imacheat | how do i run a process in background? |
| 02:28.35 | Geren | and he'll solve a heath care crisis for our peopple, not ignore it |
| 02:28.38 | Geren | now... |
| 02:28.42 | Geren | (audio cut off) |
| 02:28.44 | trilluser | mrwill, for real? can I ask you a question? |
| 02:28.45 | mrwill | imacheat: from the bash shell, invoke program with & at end of it. |
| 02:28.45 | sgeigerbot | imacheat: <commadn> & |
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| 02:28.48 | cafuego | Geren: FFS, if you need to spam off-topic shit go and do it in #flood or soemthing. |
| 02:28.52 | Geren | i kjnow a thing or two about heathcare |
| 02:28.52 | kjm | !stfu |
| 02:28.53 | dpkg | stfu is, like, Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 02:29.08 | mrwill | trilluser: no, I'm making fun of you. Does this question have to do with Debian? |
| 02:29.19 | imacheat | sgeigerbot: The program ends when I close the ssh program |
| 02:29.28 | sgeigerbot | Geren: No Democrats allowed. ;-) |
| 02:29.35 | mrwill | imacheat: is it on a remote machine? |
| 02:29.36 | Geren | we also need to lift the ban on stem cell resesach |
| 02:29.41 | Geren | health care is a serious issue |
| 02:29.42 | imacheat | mrwill: yes |
| 02:29.45 | khirai | i have a debian question |
| 02:29.46 | Geren | and it reqauires serious soloutoins |
| 02:29.50 | Geren | and that is what j kerry is good at |
| 02:29.54 | Geren | and he'll give us soemthing else |
| 02:29.57 | tcsetattr | overflow, just ask your question |
| 02:29.57 | Anthro | !tell khirai about ask |
| 02:29.58 | mrwill | imacheat: the shell quits when you logout of ssh. |
| 02:30.01 | Geren | a great vice presdient by the name of j. edwards |
| 02:30.03 | Geren | now yhou know |
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| 02:30.06 | Geren | that j efwards is smart |
| 02:30.08 | mrwill | imacheat: try using screen instead |
| 02:30.10 | Geren | he's energetic |
| 02:30.12 | khirai | why is my laptop not resolving any hosts that don't start with www |
| 02:30.13 | overflow | tcsetattr, uh? I did it |
| 02:30.13 | Geren | and he's empathetic |
| 02:30.14 | kjm | imacheat : when you close the connection, the processes started as that user stop running. |
| 02:30.18 | imacheat | mrwill: screen? |
| 02:30.20 | mrwill | !screen |
| 02:30.21 | dpkg | i guess screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and let's you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or http://brief.collapsar.net/screen.html or apt-get install screen, or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ |
| 02:30.21 | Geren | and he undestands the challenges that hardworking americans face in tehir daily lives |
| 02:30.27 | cafuego | Geren: GO AWAY! I WILL NOT ASK AGAIN! |
| 02:30.30 | Geren | maericans will be proud to have the kery-edwards tream in the white house |
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| 02:30.51 | sharth | Geren: if we cared about kerry-edwards, we'd turn on c-span. |
| 02:30.52 | overflow | tcsetattr: Im trying to set a profile vars automatically (for eclipse) and I cann't. |
| 02:30.56 | mrwill | sheesh, he is typing this, look at the errors... |
| 02:30.57 | sgeigerbot | Geren: is that a program? |
| 02:31.02 | Anthro | You know, if we're all just quiet for a bit, he will get kicked for flooding. |
| 02:31.02 | trilluser | mrwill, yes.. well sorta. I'm using a netgear router for 2 win boxes and 1 debian box. All three are online, but in the netgear DHCP table, only the winboxes show up. I've IFCONFIGd the debian box to a specific addr and netmask, but it's still not showing up in the netgear table. |
| 02:31.07 | imacheat | kjm: Isnt it any way to get the program to run even if i close the terminal? |
| 02:31.24 | mrwill | trilluser: try running dhclient on the debian box |
| 02:31.26 | MerlinCorey | heh, I |
| 02:31.27 | kjm | imacheat : yes, don't start it through ssh. |
| 02:31.37 | Synapse- | imacheat: screen! like he said! |
| 02:31.37 | imacheat | hm |
| 02:31.39 | MerlinCorey | 've had something similar, in that the hostname never showed up, but it did get an IP... |
| 02:31.47 | Synapse- | screen command |
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| 02:31.52 | MerlinCorey | trilluser: dhcp..? |
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| 02:31.54 | trilluser | mrwill, I've never used that before. Do I need to apt-get it? Is the syntax fairly intuitive? |
| 02:31.55 | imacheat | yes, but I don't have X11 or physical access |
| 02:32.05 | tcsetattr | no, I think he's actually typing that stuff. Because he's lagging way behind, and the parts where he said "(audio cut)" were actually just his cheap excuse for skipping ahead to catch up. |
| 02:32.07 | kjm | !screen |
| 02:32.07 | dpkg | i heard screen is allows you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, has its own scrollback and copy/paste and let's you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or you get disconnected or http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/screen/ or at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/screen or http://brief.collapsar.net/screen.html or apt-get install screen, or http://www.michael-prokop.at/screen/ |
| 02:32.13 | Synapse- | imacheat: you don't need it! |
| 02:32.15 | mrwill | trilluser: yes, apt-get screen and read the man page. it is not hard to use. |
| 02:32.16 | overflow | !zsh |
| 02:32.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, zsh is at http://www.zsh.org (Powerful UNIX shell), usage tips at http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/zsh/tips.html, or good article here: http://www.daemonnews.org/199910/zsh.html, or much more powerful then bash, or going from bash to zsh is like switching from redhat to debian |
| 02:32.17 | Geren | ok here you go |
| 02:32.17 | imacheat | ok |
| 02:32.18 | Geren | i'll thyp enow!! |
| 02:32.24 | Geren | don't queston my tuyping1 |
| 02:32.27 | Geren | and those comissioners |
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| 02:32.31 | tcsetattr | he's a pigfucker who didn't have the typing skill he thought he did. |
| 02:32.35 | Geren | issued a sober call toa ction that we ignred at our peril |
| 02:32.39 | Geren | j kerry understands whats at stake |
| 02:32.41 | Geren | when it comes to our security |
| 02:32.45 | cafuego | He's damn spambot, is what he is. |
| 02:32.50 | Geren | we need to fully equip and train our firefighrtes and policeoffices |
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| 02:32.53 | MerlinCorey | Geren: please, no more politics, really... |
| 02:32.54 | Geren | and emergency medi cal technicians |
| 02:33.02 | Geren | they are our first responders in an event of atrroeist attack |
| 02:33.07 | Geren | and we need to secure our borders, our raillies, et |
| 02:33.14 | kjm | takes a lot of useless energy, and no life to sit and transcribe bs into #Debian |
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| 02:33.16 | Geren | we need to reorganize our fed. gobt to meet hte threarts |
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| 02:33.17 | trilluser | mrwill.. keeps saying RESTARTING THE CHIP... |
| 02:33.25 | Geren | and we need to make sure hom. sec. is ap riority |
| 02:33.27 | kjm | I finally got to use the iggy command |
| 02:33.29 | Geren | and the resources go to nyc |
| 02:33.29 | sgeigerbot | !zsh =~ s/then/than/ |
| 02:33.29 | dpkg | OK, sgeigerbot |
| 02:33.31 | Geren | and along with that |
| 02:33.33 | tcsetattr | ok, I'm switching to comedy central and will now begin transcribing the episode of Reno 911... |
| 02:33.37 | Geren | we need to take care of our man and women |
| 02:33.41 | Geren | who like j kerry |
| 02:33.44 | Geren | risk their lives |
| 02:33.45 | Geren | and lose their lives |
| 02:33.48 | Geren | in service to their country |
| 02:33.51 | mrwill | trilluser: what, the router? look, I'm not familiar with the router, but I suspect you've misconfigured your network interface. |
| 02:33.53 | Geren | these tgreat americans deserve better |
| 02:33.55 | tcsetattr | he told me where he had buried ... |
| 02:33.58 | Geren | we need to increase our troop strentgh |
| 02:34.01 | Geren | ... |
| 02:34.02 | Geren | now what!!1 |
| 02:34.03 | Geren | huh!?!! |
| 02:34.05 | tcsetattr | well, this sucks. |
| 02:34.05 | imacheat | kjm: Bah, I don't have root access to the machine :P |
| 02:34.07 | sgeigerbot | Did j kerry really lose his life? |
| 02:34.26 | tcsetattr | that would explain his face |
| 02:34.27 | Geren | we eneed a new commander in chief named j. kerry!! |
| 02:34.29 | Anthro | sgeigerbot: I think he left his heart in San Francisco. |
| 02:34.30 | MerlinCorey | imacheat: hahahaha.... |
| 02:34.34 | Geren | i've been sahying for many months now |
| 02:34.35 | trilluser | mrwill, me too. does dhclient autoconfig eth0 for me? |
| 02:34.38 | Synapse- | imacheat: you don't understand, do you? |
| 02:34.40 | kjm | imacheat : well, then maybe you shouldn't be allowed to run things like that? |
| 02:34.41 | Geren | j kerry is a seriou sman for a seirous job in a serious time in our country's history |
| 02:34.42 | MerlinCorey | Geren: he can't be commander in chief, he pussied out... |
| 02:34.45 | Geren | so let's join together, |
| 02:34.48 | MerlinCorey | from a stricly military stance... |
| 02:34.50 | hax | mrwill: i disabled initrd, still wont load |
| 02:34.50 | mrwill | trilluser: I think you need to run dhclient eth0 |
| 02:34.51 | Geren | through out our naiton |
| 02:34.53 | Geren | and do everythign we possible can |
| 02:34.53 | MerlinCorey | now let's stop trolling... |
| 02:34.54 | MerlinCorey | ;) |
| 02:34.56 | Geren | to convince our fellow americans |
| 02:34.58 | Geren | to lookj to the future |
| 02:35.02 | Geren | to lok deep inside thejmselves |
| 02:35.07 | Geren | they know what is best for our children |
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| 02:35.13 | helix | Geren: shut up. |
| 02:35.15 | Geren | and if we just have the courage to act on our convition |
| 02:35.16 | mrwill | hax: I wanted you to enable initrd -- my fault for not being more specific. |
| 02:35.17 | Geren | we will |
| 02:35.19 | MerlinCorey | and spamming... it helps to complete a thought in an entire line... |
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| 02:35.21 | Geren | by an overwhelming majortiy |
| 02:35.22 | Anthro | !ops |
| 02:35.22 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your problem. |
| 02:35.23 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
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| 02:35.26 | cafuego | helix: it can't listen. |
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| 02:35.35 | helix | ok |
| 02:35.38 | hax | mrwill: it was checked on |
| 02:35.43 | hax | mrwill: i just checked it off, still doesnt boot |
| 02:35.46 | Synapse- | thank god. |
| 02:35.47 | Anthro | Hurray for helix! |
| 02:35.52 | mrwill | hax: are you using make-kpkg? |
| 02:36.07 | mrwill | hax: using make-kpkg to build a kernel with --initrd option. |
| 02:36.22 | Synapse- | all hail helix and lag free ssh sessions! |
| 02:36.26 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 02:36.27 | hax | mrwill: why do i want initrd, anyway? |
| 02:36.32 | mrwill | mrwill: this is not an option in the kernel config, it is an option for make-kpkg |
| 02:36.38 | mrwill | hax: so your kernel will boot? |
| 02:36.44 | helix | heh |
| 02:36.49 | hax | mrwill: dont most people not use initrd? |
| 02:37.24 | safrican | is Perl-5.8.5 on Debian Archives Yet ? |
| 02:37.27 | mwilson | Few people do. |
| 02:37.34 | mrwill | hax: no idea, I use it myself... |
| 02:37.40 | Anthro | Is there a handy GUI for dealing with sysv init scripts and runlevels? |
| 02:37.42 | mwilson | safrican: Looking yourself isn't an option because...? |
| 02:37.53 | safrican | mwilson: i check apt-cache but couldn't find it |
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| 02:37.54 | hax | initrd seems to be warned against |
| 02:37.58 | safrican | but thanks anyways |
| 02:38.01 | dan2 | is there anyway to disable local apic, and apic on command line |
| 02:38.02 | hax | mwilson: you know how to fix this stuff, help me out :) |
| 02:38.14 | mwilson | safrican: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 02:38.16 | dan2 | Anthro: rcconf |
| 02:38.20 | Anthro | Hm, like ksysv. |
| 02:38.21 | hax | mwilson: VFS: Cannot open root device "hda3" or unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 02:38.35 | mrwill | hax: seems is an awfully fuzzy word, doncha think? |
| 02:38.43 | safrican | mwilson: please don't be rude while i'm not.. i'm sorry i asked a question that stupid in your eyes. |
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| 02:38.52 | safrican | mwilson: btw, s/check/checked/ |
| 02:38.56 | Anthro | dan2: Ah, that'll do nicely. |
| 02:39.00 | hax | mrwill: well, make-kpkg warns against initrd |
| 02:39.25 | mrwill | hax: if you don't know what you are doing it is dangerous -- that applies to many things in life. |
| 02:39.36 | hax | mrwill: normally i know what i'm doing |
| 02:39.45 | hax | mrwill: infact, i thought i knew what i was doing here, but the damn thing wont boot |
| 02:39.47 | mrwill | hax: you have to configure lilo to use the initrd image that results |
| 02:39.49 | hax | mrwill: and i cant figure out what's wrong |
| 02:39.56 | hax | mrwill: but i've never had to use initrd before |
| 02:40.00 | mwilson | hax: Easy. Don't use an initrd. |
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| 02:40.11 | mwilson | hax: Problem solved. |
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| 02:40.15 | hax | mwilson: as far as i can tell, i'm not |
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| 02:40.19 | hax | mwilson: i get that error though |
| 02:40.35 | mrwill | hax: did you compile support for your root filesystem into your kernel? |
| 02:40.42 | mwilson | How can someone not know whether they're using an initrd or not? |
| 02:41.01 | hax | mrwill: yes |
| 02:41.06 | mwilson | Or whether they built support for their root filesystem type and the device on which it lives into the kernel? |
| 02:41.06 | scarynetworkguy | hax, is the machine in qustion a new install? |
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| 02:41.11 | hax | mwilson: well, i didnt turn it on |
| 02:41.13 | hax | scarynetworkguy: yes |
| 02:41.17 | hax | scarynetworkguy: well, my first kernel build on a new box |
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| 02:41.24 | scarynetworkguy | hax, with the new sarge installer? |
| 02:41.29 | Tezkah | eww, why would someone make the only icon on their GDM theme be the apple? lame! |
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| 02:41.53 | hax | scarynetworkguy: maybe? |
| 02:42.02 | hax | scarynetworkguy: i just used the netinstall cd |
| 02:42.02 | scarynetworkguy | hax, ? |
| 02:42.09 | hax | scarynetworkguy: it installed just fine |
| 02:42.09 | Tezkah | netinstall is nice |
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| 02:42.15 | mrwill | trilluser: you still working on that network interface? I found something for you in dpkg's vast database. |
| 02:42.16 | scarynetworkguy | hax where did you get said netinstall cd from? |
| 02:42.18 | hax | mwilson: oh, i think i see the problem |
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| 02:42.28 | hax | scarynetworkguy: no idea, somebody linked me to it, it was on some debian.org site |
| 02:42.28 | scarynetworkguy | hax, I'm sure it did. Work with me for just a moment. |
| 02:42.28 | danielf | I get E: broken packages when I try to apt-get install kde using unstable. What's wrong? |
| 02:42.37 | hax | scarynetworkguy: uhh, i can find it i guess |
| 02:42.38 | hax | sec |
| 02:42.52 | sgeigerbot | I have had both the module-init-tools from sarge and sid, but after compiling my 2.6 kernel (which itself went fine), I get the "QM_MODULES: Function not implemented" error when I tried to modprobe modules. Since it is highly unlikely that the packages are broken, I assume I'm missing something from my newly compiled kernel. Anyone have ideas of what I might be missing? |
| 02:42.53 | hax | sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 02:42.54 | danielf | try Hilux |
| 02:42.56 | scarynetworkguy | hax, do you happen to know the name of the iso that it came from? |
| 02:43.10 | initech | danielf: haven't been using unstable very long, eh? :) |
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| 02:43.14 | scarynetworkguy | hax, did you build your kernel with kernel package |
| 02:43.19 | danielf | initech: hehe guess not |
| 02:43.37 | hax | scarynetworkguy: make-kpkg on a vanilla tarball |
| 02:43.40 | danielf | initech: just got it to give the 2.6.7 kernel a try... suppose to fix lots of nforce2 bugs |
| 02:43.46 | Synapse- | danielf: I remember such a problem, but came to my senses and switched tp fluxbox. |
| 02:43.51 | scarynetworkguy | hax, did you use the initrd option? |
| 02:43.55 | sgeigerbot | Is it because I chose the wrong processor? |
| 02:43.55 | hax | dammit, still doesnt work |
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| 02:43.56 | hax | scarynetworkguy: no |
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| 02:44.10 | Garung | hey |
| 02:44.13 | hax | scarynetworkguy: i thought you werent supposed to use initrd? |
| 02:44.15 | Garung | anyone use 2.6.7 kernel? |
| 02:44.16 | Loof | Anyone here know what would cause a set of files to show 'permission denied' after a copy |
| 02:44.19 | Xenguy | Hi - I'm still struggling trying to network a 2nd box (my first time networking 2 boxes)... |
| 02:44.19 | hax | i dont understand |
| 02:44.21 | initech | hax: what |
| 02:44.23 | mrwill | !anyone Garung |
| 02:44.31 | hax | initech: not you :P |
| 02:44.35 | Garung | keke |
| 02:44.40 | danielf | Garung: I use 2.6.7. Its been maybe 10min. :) |
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| 02:44.42 | initech | hax: what's wrong with initrd? usually unnessecary, but it's ok |
| 02:44.46 | Garung | wow |
| 02:44.47 | Loof | I copied from one reiserfs partition to another... (using cpio) and a bunch of files are reporting 'permission denied' AFTER copying them |
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| 02:44.54 | Loof | This is as root. |
| 02:44.57 | scarynetworkguy | hax, by default the new sarge installers install a system that expects an initrd kernel. You either need to build a initrd kernel or tell your system not to expect an initrd kernel |
| 02:44.58 | hax | initech: why would it be necessary for me? |
| 02:45.00 | mrwill | initech: he's scared of it, won't listen to me. |
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| 02:45.05 | Loof | Any ideas? |
| 02:45.06 | Xenguy | I have 3 NICs (2 in the gateway box [Box1], and 1 in Box2)... |
| 02:45.07 | Garung | danielf, do you have problem with atkbd.c? |
| 02:45.15 | hax | scarynetworkguy: how do i tell it not to expect initrd? |
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| 02:45.31 | danielf | Garung: I haven't had any problems.. othen than installing kde :) |
| 02:45.36 | Garung | it gives me error with atkbd.c 'Unknown key pressed ... |
| 02:45.36 | initech | hax: it's just an extra step you don't need if you don't compile in everything your kernel needs to boot |
| 02:45.39 | Xenguy | I want to get /etc/hosts set up properly, but am going around in circles :-/ ... |
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| 02:45.43 | Garung | oh |
| 02:45.45 | Garung | weird |
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| 02:45.48 | Xenguy | Can anyone lend a hand? |
| 02:45.49 | scarynetworkguy | hax, I don't know I've never done it. Mostly cause I've never had a problem using a initrd kernel and I tend to take the path or least resitiance |
| 02:45.49 | hax | initech: which i think i have, so i shouldnt need it |
| 02:45.57 | hax | scarynetworkguy: bah |
| 02:46.11 | Loof | Oh, ick |
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| 02:46.17 | mboso | anyone know how to get X to recgonize fonts that end in .enc.gz |
| 02:46.19 | Loof | I just realized... very very bad disk errors :P |
| 02:46.21 | scarynetworkguy | hax, but that is your problem. Notice how I got up from my nap say one line and called it. :) |
| 02:46.24 | initech | hax: well if you're getting panics because the kernel can't find the root device, well, you probably forgot something |
| 02:46.27 | mrwill | !initrd |
| 02:46.27 | dpkg | [initrd] initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. |
| 02:46.27 | mboso | they come with xfonts-base |
| 02:46.42 | hax | initech: how can i find out what i forgot though? |
| 02:46.56 | mrwill | hax: see, even dpkg thinks you should use an initrd. |
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| 02:46.58 | hax | initech: i'm almost positive i didnt forget anything... what else there besides building in support for the right fs? |
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| 02:47.00 | scarynetworkguy | hax, you should just be able to tell grub not to want it but I'm not really sure if that will work. Like I said I'm lazy. |
| 02:47.03 | mboso | but the X log gives me an error saying fonts.dir not found in usr/X11R6.../enconding/large |
| 02:47.07 | sgeigerbot | hax: apt-get install flux-capacitor delorean |
| 02:47.07 | danielf | I have to be honest. I haven't come across an imap client as good as outlook express from microsoft. |
| 02:47.11 | initech | hax: block device drivers, and so forth probably |
| 02:47.15 | hax | :( |
| 02:47.15 | jason3843 | hey, how do i set static ip with debian? |
| 02:47.26 | mrwill | danielf: what about fetchmail? |
| 02:47.28 | initech | danielf: huh? OE blows |
| 02:47.32 | sgeigerbot | hax: just kidding, I don't know |
| 02:47.32 | mboso | thing is, when i run mkfontdir or mkfontscale, i get a 0 size file |
| 02:47.33 | tcsetattr | jason3843, man 5 interfaces |
| 02:47.34 | Anthro | danielf: Your crack-smoking type is not welcome here. |
| 02:47.39 | kjm | danielf : you've got to be outta your mind |
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| 02:47.43 | jason3843 | what's man and 5? |
| 02:47.48 | jason3843 | manually configure something? |
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| 02:48.01 | danielf | Its just an opinion. |
| 02:48.07 | kjm | !man |
| 02:48.07 | dpkg | from memory, man is a little guy that knows everything about linux... just do man <commandname> and he will teach you all about <commandname>, or http://man.mirrorlynx.com to get online manpages, or mannotincluded.com, or a Municipal Area Network (city) |
| 02:48.09 | jason3843 | option of what? |
| 02:48.13 | initech | i love hoe ni OE the ldap address book feature is hidden under 300 dialogs |
| 02:48.18 | Xenguy | jason3843: 'manual' pages |
| 02:48.31 | tcsetattr | jason3843, please consider reading a good unix book. If you don't know what "man" is you are not even a user yet, and definitely not a qualified administrator. |
| 02:48.34 | jason3843 | damnit man, i'm trying to learn, so far i've gotten ftp and http going, now i'm trying dhcp server |
| 02:48.40 | gnomers | i'm getting LCP timeout attempting to do pppd, how to solve it? |
| 02:48.46 | jason3843 | damn |
| 02:48.50 | scarynetworkguy | hax, I'm just playing devil's advocate here but why are you not supposed to use a initrd kernel? |
| 02:48.56 | initech | jason384: man pages, section 5 |
| 02:49.03 | sgeigerbot | jason3843: apt-get install $(for ((i=19;i<99;i++)); do printf "lg-issue%02d " $i; done) |
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| 02:49.25 | kjm | lol sgeigerbot -> that woulda def. helped the boy |
| 02:49.37 | scarynetworkguy | hax, you did not forget anything the reason it won't boot is because of the initrd thing |
| 02:49.40 | danielf | I've tried claws, thunderbird, kmail.. im going to give fetchmail a try... its cause some email I dont even download.. I just purge the header right off |
| 02:49.48 | hax | scarynetworkguy: cause its supposed to be unnecessary |
| 02:49.59 | hax | scarynetworkguy: i bet i just forgot something |
| 02:50.02 | kjm | danielf : congrats. |
| 02:50.03 | hax | scarynetworkguy: i know you dont *need* initrd |
| 02:50.08 | sgeigerbot | kjm: I think he left because he couldn't wait to read that stuff |
| 02:50.14 | scarynetworkguy | hax, did I call it one or did I not? |
| 02:50.16 | initech | danielf: with what imap server? |
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| 02:50.31 | jason3813 | man 5 configure? |
| 02:50.38 | Tezkah | :S |
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| 02:50.40 | kjm | sgeigerbot : for sure. Although they rock for info, I still dislike reading man pages. |
| 02:50.49 | hax | scarynetworkguy: no, i dont need initrd, and i'm gonna work around this |
| 02:50.53 | initech | most unix imap clients are fine with a non-exchange server |
| 02:50.58 | jason3813 | i'm so lost... |
| 02:51.00 | kjm | sgeigerbot : as they always remind me of how much I don't know |
| 02:51.02 | scarynetworkguy | hax, you don't need it. But if you don't want to use it you "do" need to tell grub not to want it. |
| 02:51.08 | sgeigerbot | kjm: you aren't alone: /msg dpkg linux man pages |
| 02:51.17 | hax | scarynetworkguy: grub isnt being told to want it by the kernel i'm booting |
| 02:51.21 | danielf | initech : its non exchange |
| 02:51.35 | scarynetworkguy | hax, nope it is being told to want it by its config files |
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| 02:51.39 | danielf | initech : Ive had problem opening large emails |
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| 02:51.46 | initech | jason3813: you configure the static ip in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:52.00 | Xenguy | so, can anyone help me debug my /etc/hosts for a Box1/2-NIC and Box2/1-NIC network? |
| 02:52.03 | sgeigerbot | kjm: It's important not to focus on how much you know, but on how much you are learning. |
| 02:52.04 | initech | danielf: what's "large"? |
| 02:52.06 | hax | scarynetworkguy: no, its not, i looked |
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| 02:52.20 | hax | scarynetworkguy: its being told on the default kernel, not the one i built |
| 02:52.24 | danielf | initech: > 5megs |
| 02:52.46 | scarynetworkguy | hax, ok |
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| 02:53.23 | kjm | sgeigerbot : For sure. I've at least come from a complete newbie to someone who (OCCASIONALLY) can answer a question on this channel :P |
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| 02:53.50 | d0ugie | what X setup should I shoot for if i'm running on only 64megs and a 300MHz chip? |
| 02:54.01 | sgeigerbot | scarynetworkguy: see...if you would just remember everything, you wouldn't have to relearn. :-) |
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| 02:54.30 | kjm | d0ugie : iceWM is ok and lightweight. Maybe Afterstep, windowmaker? |
| 02:54.33 | scarynetworkguy | sgeigerbot, :) Us crack monkies have problems in that area |
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| 02:54.43 | toolchest | daniel |
| 02:54.44 | d0ugie | ice it is then, thanks. |
| 02:54.49 | Xenguy | I'll try another night I guess |
| 02:55.13 | kjm | d0ugie : also have a look at xfce |
| 02:55.19 | sgeigerbot | scarynetworkguy: Pot is much better for your memory. |
| 02:55.29 | scarynetworkguy | Here's a saftey tip kids. If somebody calls your problem and then walks you through a chain and the chain is perfect. Odds are that person is right |
| 02:55.30 | kjm | d0ugie : those I think would all be tolerable. |
| 02:55.45 | scarynetworkguy | sgeigerbot, yea but it mellows you out. |
| 02:55.50 | d0ugie | kjm: you think any of them might not use all 64megs and dip into the swap right away on startup? |
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| 02:56.23 | sgeigerbot | scarynetworkguy: just drink lots of coffee and don't sleep |
| 02:56.32 | kjm | d0ugie : I'm not sure, you'd have to look at the requirements for them. The lowest spec box I have has 96, and runs Afterstep as a DM just fine. |
| 02:56.32 | sgeigerbot | scarynetworkguy: ...and be a sysadmin. |
| 02:56.38 | scarynetworkguy | d0ugie, as minimal as humanly possible you might think of X as something to give you xterms to point at |
| 02:56.55 | d0ugie | True |
| 02:57.13 | d0ugie | VNC's x server is pretty simple... |
| 02:57.16 | scarynetworkguy | sgeigerbot, this time of year Coca-cola (so as to keep things clear in mind of the crack monky joke) and netadmin |
| 02:57.17 | kjm | scarynetworkguy, d0ugie : I assume you want more function than that |
| 02:57.31 | kjm | *assumed |
| 02:57.48 | k-god | d0ugie: What kjm said. I'd try WMaker myself. Avoid GNOME/KDE & OOo. |
| 02:58.09 | scarynetworkguy | sgeigerbot, but yea either way that is the way to go. Sleep sucks |
| 02:58.33 | sgeigerbot | scarynetworkguy: I know. On that note, since it is 10pm, I'm going to leave the office! :-) |
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| 02:58.42 | sgeigerbot | 13 hours is enough for today. |
| 02:58.45 | scarynetworkguy | sgeigerbot, cutting out early today? |
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| 02:58.53 | chalco | sgeigerbot, your devotion is inspiring |
| 02:58.58 | d0ugie | scarynetworkguy: i work for a union.. can't have members come into the office and see that we're squandering their union dues on a $10 256MB ram chip |
| 02:59.16 | scarynetworkguy | d0ugie, you poor damned soul |
| 02:59.19 | initech | d0ugie: what union? |
| 02:59.33 | mwilson | Gee, yet another aptitude... does it actually fix anything? |
| 02:59.35 | d0ugie | service employees international union local 200united, part of the afl cio |
| 02:59.40 | kjm | d0ugie: as a union brother myself, I love to donate my dues to at least one 128 DIMM (IMHO) |
| 03:00.02 | k-god | d0ugie: Could be worse: you could be running XP on that box. |
| 03:00.05 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson, all good, and I might add small footed people, use apt. |
| 03:00.07 | kjm | lol |
| 03:00.09 | danielf | lol |
| 03:00.26 | k-god | d0ugie: I see 'em on 128 MB here, and they're fscking pigs. Literally minutes to toggle between apps. |
| 03:00.37 | kjm | with 64 MB's of RAM........ouch............2 hours to boot |
| 03:00.48 | d0ugie | kjm: they got some consultant pushing 2 grand laptops to everyone and i just want to make one last stand that I can do some badass stuff with one antique box and a copy of debian |
| 03:00.53 | mboso | anyone know how to get X to recgonize *.enc.gz fonts? mkfontdir/mkfontscale doesn't seem to work |
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| 03:01.34 | scarynetworkguy | Is it shark week again already |
| 03:01.36 | kjm | d0ugie, for sure. You can do as much/more with cheaper equipment, and not have to shell out and line the pockets of some DELL sales rep. who thinks you need to upgrade every 1.5 - 2 yrs. |
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| 03:01.46 | d0ugie | i'll go trashing tomorrow night and find a thrown out box and strip it for some ram |
| 03:02.07 | kjm | d0ugie : Hell, I'll mail you 128 :P |
| 03:02.16 | initech | kjm: you need t attend "Enterprise Reducation Camp" |
| 03:02.23 | scarynetworkguy | d0ugie, I speak from experince here. Avoid KDE or Gnome. |
| 03:02.39 | d0ugie | understood |
| 03:03.01 | kjm | initech : I live it everyday. My boss just spent $3000 + on a new dual G5 with 23" cinema display........to check her e-mail. |
| 03:03.10 | kjm | I do more on a 500 Mhz dell running debain |
| 03:03.11 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Oh, I have no use for aptitude until its fundamental bugs are fixed. It's damgerous until then. |
| 03:03.12 | kjm | *debian |
| 03:03.31 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson, and I hear it was written by Zombies |
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| 03:04.04 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: Somehow I doubt that. |
| 03:04.11 | d0ugie | Are there any complex fax software setups that will let my box dial out faxes that other workers on their windows machines send through the network to my box? And for my box to receive the faxes and maybe email them automatically? |
| 03:04.17 | kjm | d0ugie, scarynetworkguy: What he said. This box is a 700 MhZ AMD, with 768 MB, and KDE/GNOME feel funny |
| 03:04.25 | hanasaki | big time |
| 03:04.29 | d0ugie | i'd prefer not to WINE winfax |
| 03:04.30 | initech | d0ugie: hylafax? |
| 03:04.33 | lucas | d0ugie: hylafax will do that |
| 03:04.33 | k-god | d0ugie: hylafax, though I've never got it to work. Try efax first. |
| 03:04.40 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson, that is just because *they* don't want you to know. This runs deep and the fish stinks to the head |
| 03:05.00 | davka | I downloaded Sun's j2sdk ver 1.4.2 and installed the rpm using alien. It doesn't run; javac says java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object |
| 03:05.01 | d0ugie | are hylafax/efax cross platform compatible for my kind of situation? |
| 03:05.03 | lucas | d0ugie: hylafax will do fax -> email in both directions |
| 03:05.07 | scarynetworkguy | Zombies have inflitratied our society at all levels |
| 03:05.12 | kjm | Its been fun guys. Thanks for the answer(s)/chat. I gotta jet. |
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| 03:05.20 | mwilson | Sixty-one. |
| 03:05.27 | initech | hylafax, but the last time i used it the windows clients were kinda sucky (1999) |
| 03:05.47 | d0ugie | so someone could for example email a fax to my box with, for example, the phone number in the subject and the prog would take care of the rest? |
| 03:05.48 | lucas | d0ugie: yes, if you want to use e-mail, e-mail is cross platform |
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| 03:06.03 | scarynetworkguy | lucas, intersting that you should bring that up. I was just asked today to look at fax servers. Is hylafx ready for prime time? |
| 03:06.13 | initech | scarynetworkguy: shit yeah |
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| 03:06.23 | lucas | scarynetworkguy: i use it, it works quite well for me |
| 03:06.25 | initech | hylafax is rock solid |
| 03:06.40 | lucas | scarynetworkguy: i don't use any clients, just as a fax->email gateway, works well |
| 03:06.46 | d0ugie | lucas: well i can see email being easy to send out incoming faxes, but i'd like it so the workers could hit print in Word and select "Hylafax" or whatever instead of HP Laserjet for the printer and it would fire up a fax dialog, etc |
| 03:07.01 | scarynetworkguy | initech, lucas be kind to be I'm new to the whole fax server thing. |
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| 03:07.05 | initech | scarynetworkguy: but you need to use a good modem with it, e.g., multitech |
| 03:07.21 | SharkY | i'm trying to create new domain with vqadmin (qmail), but i receve this error: Can not make domains directory |
| 03:07.31 | lucas | d0ugie: hmm, i think it can do print->fax but i'm not sure, i've only ever done e-mail->fax |
| 03:07.46 | scarynetworkguy | initech, lucas so with hylafax someone sends a fax to the fax modem btw thanks for the advice on the modem and then the fax gets sent by email to the person it is addresed to you right? |
| 03:07.48 | d0ugie | well i'll give it a shot.. thanks for the tips |
| 03:07.55 | SharkY | i'd search in google, #qmail, qmailrocks, etc, and nothing |
| 03:08.06 | initech | scarynetworkguy: well, I used it at a prior job, recieving only, but it recieved 500-700 faxes a week, and I didn't touch the thing for like two years |
| 03:08.35 | lucas | scarynetworkguy: well, with my setup, all the faxes to go admin staff who then forwards them to the appropriate staff member |
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| 03:08.58 | lucas | scarynetworkguy: you can't really get hylafax to figure who the fax is for, because it's just a tiff |
| 03:09.15 | d0ugie | you fellas know of something better than pricewatch.com where dealers try to out-offer each other to give you the most effecient market's prices? |
| 03:09.31 | scarynetworkguy | lucas, initech like I said I'm new to this and I've already learned. So how do you send a fax using it? |
| 03:09.40 | mwilson | I've never bothered with pricewatch... done far better just walking into a store. |
| 03:10.13 | mwilson | Can't see bothering with it unless you live in Montana or somethign. |
| 03:10.15 | initech | scarynetworkguy: in windows, you set up a printer that send it to the servers queue; in unix, there's a client that sends it a ps file |
| 03:10.31 | lucas | scarynetworkguy: we don't actually use it for sending outgoing faxes, but when i was testing, you construct a document with the fax number in it and e-mail it to the fax-server, there's probably also a manual way that i haven't tried |
| 03:10.35 | initech | scarynetworkguy: which i guess is the same thing after all duh |
| 03:11.02 | lucas | scarynetworkguy: and what initech said |
| 03:11.04 | initech | scarynetworkguy: there's also a www -> fax and mail -> fax gateway for it |
| 03:11.14 | scarynetworkguy | initech, lucas on last qestion. What do you guys know about the license? |
| 03:11.21 | initech | scarynetworkguy: GPL |
| 03:11.26 | lucas | they sell support |
| 03:11.31 | scarynetworkguy | initech, sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet |
| 03:11.46 | scarynetworkguy | lucas, even better |
| 03:12.04 | scarynetworkguy | thanks guys it just went to the top of my list |
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| 03:12.34 | lucas | nps, good luck |
| 03:13.22 | d0ugie | so when I set this deb box up at the office.. to offer some storage setup where people could save their docs on my box (as if it were a \\MSClient\ sharing kind of deal), would I need to go with samba? or can I config the MS boxes to save via ftp? If not, could the office deb box offer the samba services outside the local network to their home computers? |
| 03:14.03 | lucas | d0ugie: samba sounds like a good fit except for the home computers part... |
| 03:14.08 | danielf | I wish to look at images (jpg, gif, tiff, etc) without having to open X. Is this possible? |
| 03:14.18 | lucas | danielf: framebuffer |
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| 03:14.31 | d0ugie | lucas: is that this VPN thing? *nix smb can't do that? |
| 03:14.36 | initech | d0ugie: with the home pc's your getting into vpn's ... not really to do with samba per se |
| 03:14.41 | Garung | hey people, can i install X from source? |
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| 03:14.50 | safrican | Garung: sure |
| 03:14.50 | danielf | lucas : ok, thanks |
| 03:14.57 | safrican | Garung: Xorg preferred |
| 03:14.59 | Garung | XFree86 4.4 is out |
| 03:15.01 | initech | Garung: yes, i'm sure it will be one of the most pleasant experiences of your life |
| 03:15.02 | Garung | oh |
| 03:15.03 | initech | :-) |
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| 03:15.16 | Garung | cool |
| 03:15.16 | safrican | initech: :) |
| 03:15.16 | Garung | thanks |
| 03:15.17 | safrican | Garung: i think initech was sarcastic |
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| 03:15.24 | scarynetworkguy | cool the website looks promising. I'll have to play with it tomorrow at work |
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| 03:15.34 | lucas | d0ugie: as initech said, vpns and samba are seperate, but you could use a vpn to make samba access from home possible |
| 03:16.14 | popcorn | anyone know why pmdisk and swsusp support is not in the default kernel (2.6) ? |
| 03:16.15 | lucas | scarynetworkguy: yeah, except for that brown and green colour scheme... ugh :( |
| 03:16.15 | subvertir | installing X from source isn't so bad |
| 03:16.15 | subvertir | it doesn't really even take that long on a modern box if you deselect all the stuff you don't plan on using |
| 03:16.32 | deadcat | how do i use devilspie to undecorate aterm? |
| 03:16.38 | safrican | subvertir: true.. I installed Xorg && XFree 4.3 from Source and it didn't take more than 1-2 hours |
| 03:16.45 | initech | subvertir: it's just so unnessecary ... |
| 03:16.56 | scarynetworkguy | lucas, I got told to look for this about a hour before leaving for the day. From my initial google I was afraid I was going to have to use the tools of satan. This makes that unlikely. I can but up with ugly colors for that |
| 03:17.01 | initech | last tiem i tried was Xfree 3.x and it was horrible |
| 03:17.12 | subvertir | I built 3.3.6 from source with no trouble |
| 03:17.18 | safrican | initech: depends.. i read a tut. on how to do it.. and it was fun |
| 03:17.22 | safrican | Xorg was fun |
| 03:17.25 | subvertir | it took forever and a day on my k6-2 400 |
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| 03:17.46 | initech | subvertir: well this was a P133 i think |
| 03:17.49 | lucas | scarynetworkguy: yeah, it's been good software for me |
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| 03:18.12 | safrican | subvertir: i did a Stage 1 Gentoo Install on a 200 MhZ Machine with 224 RAM.. so it was much more slow |
| 03:18.17 | sime | is "rostered" a word ? |
| 03:18.20 | subvertir | gentoo, meh |
| 03:18.23 | subvertir | Yeah sime I think so |
| 03:18.27 | The_Vulture | subvertir: dict.org |
| 03:18.35 | The_Vulture | s/ subvertir/ sime/ |
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| 03:18.47 | Diabolo | hi guys somebody know the diferents betwen source from kernel.org and source from debian of the kernel take a look: |
| 03:18.48 | Diabolo | 34309196 Jul 8 03:17 kernel-source-2.6.7.tar.bz2(debian) |
| 03:18.49 | Diabolo | 35092228 Jul 24 15:43 linux-2.6.7.tar.bz2(kernel.org) |
| 03:18.51 | sime | open office doesn't think so |
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| 03:18.53 | \amethyst | sime: As much as ``verbed'' is a word |
| 03:19.00 | safrican | subvertir: you don't like Gentoo? |
| 03:19.08 | subvertir | Not especially |
| 03:19.11 | initech | Diabolo: look at the changelog.Debian in /usr/share/doc |
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| 03:19.21 | scarynetworkguy | lucas, yea and the commercial suppourt angle will help with the boss. Very cool |
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| 03:19.26 | subvertir | source-based packaging just doesn't do much for me |
| 03:19.42 | The_Vulture | \amethyst: not quite, rester is not only a verb |
| 03:19.45 | \amethyst | Diabolo: Some non-free drivers have been removed, I think |
| 03:19.55 | The_Vulture | s/rester/roster/ |
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| 03:20.01 | d0ugie | sounds like the way to go is to set up a bouncing subdomain that reroutes their IExplorers to ftp://theofficebox:password@123.123.123.321/storage, then teach them how to drag and drop from their My Docs folder to the IE FTP window.. versus dealing with some smb/vpn combo. |
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| 03:20.20 | Pavel | I installed a package converted from rpm using alien, and it's not working. However, when I try to remove it, it gives "subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1". How do I get it off my system? |
| 03:20.25 | \amethyst | The_Vulture: ``Verb'' is not only, or principally, a verb |
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| 03:20.38 | cievo | hello all |
| 03:21.02 | Diabolo | \amethyst: from debian?? |
| 03:21.08 | The_Vulture | \amethyst: indeed, but I still don't think the analogy is particularly suitable *shrugs* |
| 03:21.14 | initech | d0ugie: if security isn't a big concern (YMMV), but that is going to bite you in the ass in the long run |
| 03:21.46 | d0ugie | well my internship will be over long before that and it'll be some other guy's ass :) |
| 03:21.49 | \amethyst | Diabolo: I *think*. Not 100% certain |
| 03:21.55 | Diabolo | cool |
| 03:22.09 | initech | d0ugie: what union anyway? |
| 03:22.10 | Diabolo | thanks |
| 03:22.25 | \amethyst | Diabolo: Why not do a diff? |
| 03:22.26 | d0ugie | the service employees international union, part of the afl cio |
| 03:23.17 | owner | how do install java on deiban? |
| 03:23.24 | _frank | java? |
| 03:23.28 | owner | little hint please |
| 03:23.30 | _frank | owner: www.java.com |
| 03:23.34 | _frank | there you go |
| 03:23.38 | owner | doh!!! |
| 03:24.08 | maher | owner: kaffe gjc are in main - look at apt-get.org for debs from sun/blackdown |
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| 03:24.32 | d0ugie | btw, union fans, unionbuiltpc.com (employees are all members of at least one of three AFL unions) has relatively good deals.. Much better than the Dell "wholesale" deal this douche consultant conned them into going with |
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| 03:24.43 | Nach | I want to install gcc 3.4, but I'm getting this error "gcc-3.4: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3) but 1:3.3.4-3 is to be installed" how can I rectify it? |
| 03:24.48 | deadcat | !tell owner about blackdown |
| 03:25.04 | scarynetworkguy | owner, ther are severl jvm packages out ther blackdown is on kaffe is another |
| 03:25.36 | owner | sup deadcat, it's me |
| 03:25.45 | deadcat | owner: pc? |
| 03:25.48 | deadcat | yoyoyoy (= |
| 03:25.48 | owner | yea |
| 03:25.55 | owner | yo yo yo |
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| 03:26.08 | scarynetworkguy | d0ugie, any pcs that union hands have never touched? |
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| 03:26.25 | subvertir | hahaha |
| 03:26.26 | maher | scarynetworkguy: probably most of them |
| 03:26.28 | initech | d0ugie: cool |
| 03:26.28 | subvertir | good call |
| 03:26.37 | The_Vulture | Nach: how are you going about installing 3.4? |
| 03:26.59 | d0ugie | In the office, the DSL modem plugs into a simple 8 port hub (not a router, no port forwarding/filtering etc). If I plug a server into that puppy, will incoming connections to the modem's IP go to the machine who's got the given port open? |
| 03:27.20 | maher | d0ugie: probably not |
| 03:27.35 | d0ugie | scarynetworkguy: unions have been going downhill fast .. pussified and low membership ... roughly 10% of the workforce in the US is unionized |
| 03:27.41 | maher | d0ugie: oh - sorry - hub - all machines get them |
| 03:27.51 | Nach | The_Vulture, "apt-get instal gcc-3.4" |
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| 03:27.54 | scarynetworkguy | d0ugie, first of all there is no such thing as a DSL modem. second it depends on what features your DSL router has |
| 03:28.02 | scarynetworkguy | d0ugie, I was just kidding. |
| 03:28.21 | d0ugie | scarynetworkguy: i know, but i went into serious mode briefly |
| 03:28.31 | scarynetworkguy | d0ugie, very cool. |
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| 03:28.56 | The_Vulture | Nach: what lines do you have in your sources.list? |
| 03:29.04 | tcsetattr | why don't you think "modem" is the correct word to describe a device that sends DSL signals? |
| 03:29.07 | d0ugie | maher: so as long as the other machines' ports are closed, there shouldn't be much of a problem? |
| 03:29.10 | initech | d0ugie: unions need to become more radicalized. I'm seeing a little bit of this lately |
| 03:29.21 | scarynetworkguy | tcsetattr, What does modem stand for? |
| 03:29.28 | tcsetattr | modulation/demodulation |
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| 03:29.50 | d0ugie | yeah yeah "modem" i know, i was just being lazy using accepted lamer terminology |
| 03:30.01 | d0ugie | initech: how do you suggest they become more radicalized |
| 03:30.02 | scarynetworkguy | tcsetattr, and on a digital subscriber line just what is being modulated or demodulated? |
| 03:30.35 | tcsetattr | ok, I'm not an expert on physical-layer stuff but I was under the impression that DSL is much like a standard voice line but working on different frequencies. |
| 03:30.37 | mwilson | Unions need to be done away with, actually. |
| 03:30.39 | initech | d0ugie: syndicalism. Think about how things were in the teens thirties |
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| 03:30.51 | bunnyfufu | sign up for free ipods: http://www.freeiPods.com/default.aspx?referer=7370342 |
| 03:30.52 | scarynetworkguy | d0ugie, once again witht he teasing |
| 03:30.55 | d0ugie | initech: Do you ever see the US passing a law to solidly protect workers from being fired if they start trying to unionize? |
| 03:30.55 | initech | mwilson: bosses need to be done away with |
| 03:31.04 | initech | d0ugie: nope |
| 03:31.09 | scarynetworkguy | tcsetattr, nope totaly diffrent beast |
| 03:31.12 | \amethyst | scarynetworkguy: DSL doesn't have a carrier wave? |
| 03:31.18 | maher | d0ugie: the large unions have enough cash to buy up the smaller companies involved in labour disputes and run them - they should do so |
| 03:31.24 | initech | d0ugie: the state will never be in support of labor, ever |
| 03:31.33 | d0ugie | so why are they having me pass around these Dear John Kerry letters for workers to sign to get such a law going.. |
| 03:31.33 | scarynetworkguy | \amethyst, nope all digital from end to end. That is why it can coexist with voice service |
| 03:31.37 | Caelum | maher: they are too corrupt and wasteful to do anything that useful |
| 03:31.44 | Caelum | maher: which is probably a good thing |
| 03:31.49 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy: then what are line filters for? |
| 03:31.55 | initech | maher: the large unions are as corrupt as business |
| 03:32.03 | scarynetworkguy | OTOH cable modems really are modems |
| 03:32.10 | scarynetworkguy | The_Vulture, cause the tech ain't perfect |
| 03:32.11 | tcsetattr | scarynetworkguy, I've heard telco people refer to a T1 CSU/DSU as a "modem" too... so I guess I'm just used to a loose definition |
| 03:32.26 | eibwen | How can I tell which version of a package I'm running? And secondly, how can I install a particular (older) version? |
| 03:32.38 | Nach | The_Vulture, "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib, deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib, deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main, deb http://anarxia.dyndns.org:2180/debian ./" |
| 03:32.41 | \amethyst | scarynetworkguy: But it uses FDM, which means that the digital signal has some ``frequency'' |
| 03:32.42 | Caelum | eibwen: dpkg -l package, or apt-cache show package |
| 03:32.50 | scarynetworkguy | tcsetattr, they do that cause having this conversation is just to hard when they are in a hurry, and those dudes are always in a hurry, so they just give in. |
| 03:32.52 | d0ugie | initech: Has the National Labor Relations Board sold out to the man? |
| 03:33.00 | maher | Caelum: initech: hmm maybe - they're formally democratic which is better than corporations... |
| 03:33.06 | Caelum | eibwen: if you're running sid and want a sarge package, you can do apt-get install package/sarge # provided you have a source line for sarge |
| 03:33.07 | The_Vulture | Nach: that's a nasty combination I have no interest in discussing, best of luck to you |
| 03:33.25 | Nach | The_Vulture, can you at least give me some pointers so I know what to do? |
| 03:33.26 | initech | d0ugie: ? is that a trick question? :-) |
| 03:33.28 | scarynetworkguy | \amethyst, find me techinal docs from anybody that calls it anything but a router. The modem thing is just marketing. These are all square waves we are talking about |
| 03:33.35 | The_Vulture | Nach: not really |
| 03:33.45 | Caelum | maher: corporations are democratic, in a way, certain things have to be approved by the board of directors, shareholders have some voting rights, etc. |
| 03:33.47 | tcsetattr | scarynetworkguy, I know it's not a _router_ unless it has an IP address. |
| 03:33.52 | initech | the NLRB is a piece of shit |
| 03:33.55 | \amethyst | scarynetworkguy: Why do you need a router for a point-to-point connection? |
| 03:34.01 | d0ugie | i'm flooded with rhetoric all day from my bosses (i'm a summer intern), i'm curious what the specialists on everything in #debian have to say |
| 03:34.15 | maher | Caelum: corporations are not democratic because voting power is based on wealth/ownership |
| 03:34.25 | eibwen | Caelum: I've got a newer version of pcmcia-cs then modinfo pcmcia_core returns. How can I revert to an earlier version? And secondly, is there a deb for the src that I'm just not seeing? |
| 03:34.29 | initech | Caelum: that is patently ridiculous |
| 03:34.41 | scarynetworkguy | tcsetattr, \amethyst most of them are just stuck into bridge mode. But they can all be put into routing mode and have IP address. So techincally as deployed most of them are routers doing bridging. |
| 03:34.48 | Caelum | maher: if people are interested in more democratic corporations (whether this is a good thing or not I don't know) they should push for more shareholder rights etc. |
| 03:34.49 | Loof | This is really odd |
| 03:34.57 | Loof | I did a badblocks test and everything was fine |
| 03:35.11 | Loof | I put on raid/lvm/reiserfs |
| 03:35.14 | Loof | copied stuff onto it |
| 03:35.14 | maher | Caelum: that doesn't affect the underlying division of power according to wealth |
| 03:35.16 | Caelum | maher: it makes sense that the greater a share someone has invested in an entity, the more say they have |
| 03:35.22 | Loof | getting a BUNCH of errors |
| 03:35.24 | tcsetattr | scarynetworkguy, I never noticed that the Fujitsu DSL bridges used in this area are capable of being put into a routing mode... |
| 03:35.30 | caskey | I have a number of blocks that I know to be bad on an existing ext2 file system, other than at creation time, is there a tool to manually add entries to the ext2 bad block list? |
| 03:35.41 | maher | Caelum: invested in financial terms... |
| 03:35.44 | Loof | Retested that sector /w badblocks... it still tests out fine |
| 03:36.14 | d0ugie | initech: Is it wrong that the gov't continues to ride the Teamsters Union's ass with audits and bill them enormously for their scruitinizing services? |
| 03:36.18 | Caelum | maher: true, now you're saying something meaningful. There are certainly many ways corporation laws could be improved |
| 03:36.20 | initech | maher: it's only in the US that unions have become so weak, it is not so elsewhere |
| 03:36.29 | eibwen | Caelum: How do I revert to an earlier version of a given package? |
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| 03:36.35 | tcsetattr | caskey, see e2fsck -l or e2fsck -c |
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| 03:36.40 | Caelum | eibwen: pcmcia_core is a module, it has nothing to do with pcmcia_cs |
| 03:36.40 | scarynetworkguy | tcsetattr, replace all with "all that Scarynetworkguy has seen" and that is mroe than a couple. :) I do in fact think that the Fujitsus are an exception. but as you note the proper term is bridge. :) |
| 03:36.47 | Caelum | eibwen: it depends on your kernel version |
| 03:36.59 | Loof | Any ideas?? |
| 03:37.07 | eibwen | 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 03:37.15 | caskey | tcsetattr: thanks, I've been reading all the ext2 man pages and somehow missed that. |
| 03:37.27 | tcsetattr | scarynetworkguy, I would have described the whole box as a "bridge" but the part of it where the phone line plugs in as a "modem"... |
| 03:37.30 | initech | d0ugie: the teamsters should look at debian as to how to orgainze (seriously) |
| 03:37.43 | Caelum | maher: I'd rather see stock exchanges expand things like voting rights in corporations for employees, etc. than see more big corrupt unions |
| 03:37.52 | maher | initech: you want teamsters flamefests? |
| 03:38.12 | initech | maher: heh, you think they don;t have them now? |
| 03:38.32 | eibwen | Caelum: ? |
| 03:38.37 | maher | Caelum: some unions manage to be democratic - but its easier to make a formally democratic system democratic than if you start with one that's not democratic at all |
| 03:38.48 | Caelum | eibwen: dpkg -L pcmcia-cs |
| 03:38.56 | maher | initech: they're not on public display... |
| 03:39.05 | initech | maher: the IWW is a good model for unions. unfortunately the government crushed them |
| 03:39.06 | scarynetworkguy | tcsetattr, a bit of background analog signal are usually drawn as a normal looking sine wave. Digital signals are drawn as a square wave. Anything that a squre wave goes into is *not* called a modem. DSL is all square waves and they are not modems. It is not important msotly I wa teasing d0ugie but that is the correct term |
| 03:39.22 | maher | initech: the electricians union does ok afaik |
| 03:39.39 | initech | maher: yes i like them .. the EU I think? |
| 03:39.47 | Caelum | maher: democracy has its downsides, life can be hard on employees who do not want to join a union in a very unionized company |
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| 03:40.04 | maher | initech: eu is an unfortunate acronym... |
| 03:40.07 | tcsetattr | ok that's cool |
| 03:40.14 | SharkY | bye |
| 03:40.20 | maher | Caelum: autocracy has its downsides too |
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| 03:40.45 | Caelum | maher: definitely, if only people would just try to do stuff that makes some fucking sense :) |
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| 03:40.57 | tcsetattr | I like the way DSL is handled here - the DSL modem knows nothing about IP. That keeps the phone company out of the business of mucking with your connection at the IP layer or anything above |
| 03:41.00 | maher | Caelum: people invariably disagree... |
| 03:41.03 | loke_ | what package do i need to view quicktime plugins |
| 03:41.20 | d0ugie | I have never been so amazed by anything (excluding a handful of women) nearly as much as I have been swept off my feet by debian and all things related (like this irc channel) |
| 03:41.30 | maher | scarynetworkguy: who's going to give such an objext to someone with your name? |
| 03:41.47 | loke_ | whats the package name for the quicktime plugin |
| 03:41.51 | \amethyst | maher: Someone very scared is who |
| 03:41.53 | kingsley_ | loke_: apt-cache search quicktime |
| 03:41.57 | loke_ | i did |
| 03:42.01 | scarynetworkguy | maher, I'm kind of a behind the scenes guy. Still looking for a frontman |
| 03:42.08 | loke_ | kingsley_ i did |
| 03:42.15 | loke_ | kingsley_ still can view quicktime |
| 03:42.46 | scarynetworkguy | frontman found. :) |
| 03:42.46 | d0ugie | ok so I see hylafax ware for *nix but no windows clients on their website.. anyone know the name of one? |
| 03:42.53 | friendlyguy | ok - where's the orbital whatsit? |
| 03:43.09 | initech | d0ugie: you gotta do some searching, there's no official ones. |
| 03:43.31 | scarynetworkguy | friendlyguy, they are working on it in a secret base under Mt. Hood |
| 03:43.33 | d0ugie | well i see a few, just wondering if anyone happened to try them out and could recommend the simplest |
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| 03:43.42 | initech | d0ugie: nevertheless, if you take the trouble, you can set up a printer without using a "client" |
| 03:43.45 | friendlyguy | scarynetworkguy: i'll be right on it... |
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| 03:44.07 | loke_ | what packages do i need to view quicktime movies as plugins? |
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| 03:44.11 | d0ugie | Nice, didn't realize i could go that route with this particular software |
| 03:44.22 | loke_ | i apted quicktime-x11utils |
| 03:44.29 | initech | loke_: mplayer-plugin or something like that |
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| 03:44.56 | kingsley_ | loke_: How about mozilla-plugin-vlc and xawtv-plugin-qt? |
| 03:44.57 | initech | loke_: but it doesn't work with sites that do intrusive hand holding, e.g., yahoo |
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| 03:45.34 | \amethyst | scarynetworkguy: Would you prefer `encoder-decoder' to `modem'? |
| 03:45.42 | loke_ | kingsley_ mozilla-plugin-vlc? |
| 03:45.57 | foxcokk | I have my dhcp server up and working but on my machines i still much specify 192.168.1.1 for the dns server on the clients. how can i make that automaric too? |
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| 03:46.11 | initech | foxcokk: man dhcpd.conf |
| 03:46.25 | initech | foxcokk: all the options are in there |
| 03:46.27 | foxcokk | oh its taken care of in the dhcp? thats all i needed. thanks |
| 03:47.07 | d0ugie | i'm thinking of installing deb late at night on all the office PCs and setting X to use that XP landscape background to trick them... all i need though is to get oo or abiword to save/open in .doc as the default format and mission accomplished |
| 03:47.07 | loke_ | kingsley_ almost there, with mozilla-plugin-vlc, now it says no picture instead of the little puzzle pice |
| 03:47.13 | loke_ | piece* |
| 03:47.27 | safrican | Hi! I'm wondering why Xorg isn't in Debian Archives Yet... |
| 03:47.33 | safrican | any specific reason ? |
| 03:47.39 | scarynetworkguy | \amethyst, I don't prefer anything. The term is what the term is. The only people who call them modems are markters at telco companies. No one who works the techncal side calls them modems when talking to other telecom pros. The distanciton may be a bit aribiatray but that is pretty much the way it is. If I were to call AT&T and call anything that runs on square waves a modem they would laugh at me. :) |
| 03:47.41 | safrican | cause XFree 4.4 has licensing issues |
| 03:47.47 | loke_ | cause debian lags |
| 03:47.57 | maher | safrican: no one ha packaged it yet - read the debian x mailing list |
| 03:48.03 | safrican | maher: thanks |
| 03:48.12 | loke_ | come woodys been stable and sarge has been testing for like 10 years |
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| 03:48.21 | loke_ | come on* |
| 03:48.24 | loke_ | i cant type today |
| 03:48.26 | safrican | loke_: :P |
| 03:48.31 | safrican | loke_: Unstable |
| 03:48.42 | kingsley_ | safrican: Hve you tried googling for xorg and debian? |
| 03:48.49 | loke_ | dont get me wrong debian rules |
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| 03:48.59 | loke_ | debian just lags - its a fact |
| 03:49.00 | \amethyst | scarynetworkguy: But they don't use raw square waves on copper. DSL uses either CAP or DMT modulation |
| 03:49.02 | hacim | can you use an Orb drive in debian? |
| 03:49.16 | maher | safrican: if anyone does make debs it will probably be daniel stone - check his website |
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| 03:49.29 | loke_ | kingsley_ im halftway there, what other packge do i need man? |
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| 03:49.40 | tcsetattr | well, Verizon marketing calls them DSL modems, and if I call Verizon I have to be on hold for 2 hours before I reach anyone who knows what "bridging" is. |
| 03:49.47 | safrican | maher: thanks again |
| 03:49.52 | tcsetattr | so I think "modem" is probably a more common term among teclo people than you want to admit |
| 03:50.08 | kingsley_ | loke_: I don't know, but googling for quicktime and debian may help you. |
| 03:50.15 | loke_ | ok |
| 03:50.22 | d0ugie | my 110 meg sarge netinstall CD.. i can expect it to have a very long shelflife as it downloads the latest stuff, and if there were a remote hole discovered in the default base install years later, the installer would probably catch it on the download installation? |
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| 03:51.29 | kingsley_ | loke_: Good luck and bye for now. |
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| 03:51.36 | maher | d0ugie: once you update from security.d.o you should be fine - but no you're not protected against remote expoits in the netinstall packages before you update |
| 03:51.37 | loke_ | k thanks |
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| 03:52.33 | d0ugie | well that's good enough for me. |
| 03:52.41 | maher | d0ugie: but i assume netinstall has no services so its only remote kernel exploits you need to worry about... |
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| 03:54.54 | tcsetattr | hey, it's quiet |
| 03:55.05 | d0ugie | yeah.. i thought i was lagging |
| 03:55.13 | tcsetattr | threeseas is back... time for more Stupid Compaq Tricks? |
| 03:55.16 | threeseas | anyone ever hear of mouse pointer snow? |
| 03:55.35 | ki4cgp | has anyone ever tried to install debian on a system remotely? |
| 03:55.55 | maher | ki4cgp: that's what debtakeover is for - people complain it doesn't work tho |
| 03:56.04 | ki4cgp | hmm...I'll google it |
| 03:56.20 | threeseas | I can unplug a system in the middle of an install |
| 03:56.24 | threeseas | :) |
| 03:56.27 | d0ugie | can openoffice be set to open and save using .doc as the default format? .. so i can get people using it who won't freak out that they have to click "file type" each time they want to email a .doc ... |
| 03:56.31 | ki4cgp | My friend gave me root on his xandros machine, but doesn't really like it, and wants debian on it |
| 03:57.00 | loke_ | which file on debian resolves domain names? |
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| 03:57.08 | loke_ | for a local network? |
| 03:57.10 | maher | ki4cgp: if you have a spare partition you can use deboostrap |
| 03:57.19 | hacim | are zip/jaz/orb high capacity drives pretty much useless as backup media nowdays? |
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| 03:57.27 | maher | loke_: resolv.conf? |
| 03:57.31 | hacim | high capacity *floppy* drives |
| 03:57.35 | ki4cgp | perhaps I could try that, he only has a 4gig partition on it |
| 03:57.41 | pipeline | hacim: Hahah, I haven't seen a jaz or orb drive since 1998. |
| 03:57.42 | threeseas | but yeah, I changed video cards and knoppix 3.3 and 3.4 and maybe even a debain install the mouse pointer had dandrif and then froze the system near the end of the boot seq. |
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| 03:58.00 | loke_ | maher i want to add an entry for may LAN so i dont have to type out the damn ip's |
| 03:58.03 | dad | hey! anyone here use powertweak? |
| 03:58.12 | loke_ | maher that file gets writen to a boot |
| 03:58.14 | willtmo | How do I verify which version of Debian I'm using ? (I mean either stable, testing or unstable) |
| 03:58.26 | loke_ | cat /etc/debian-release |
| 03:58.27 | tcsetattr | threeseas, you might have to disable the hardware mouse cursor |
| 03:58.46 | hacim | pipeline: yeah, but it is odd that people prefer to backup to CD-R when they only hold 700megs and an orb holds 2.2gigs |
| 03:58.47 | maher | loke_: /etc/hosts |
| 03:58.50 | k-god | Anyone familiar with a worm/sploit hitting m23.absolute.com or search.namequery.com, both of which resolve to 209.53.113.23? |
| 03:58.51 | loke_ | yeah |
| 03:58.55 | loke_ | maher yeah |
| 03:59.09 | threeseas | would that cause white spots to collect around the mouse pointer? |
| 03:59.10 | pipeline | hacim: CD-R's don't break if you drop them. Or vibrate them. Or look at them funny. |
| 03:59.17 | loke_ | willtmo cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:59.18 | safrican | i'm using Debian 3.1 ! cool! |
| 03:59.32 | loke_ | testing unstable |
| 03:59.37 | hacim | pipeline: yeah but they break if you scratch them, get them wet, or put them in the sun |
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| 03:59.52 | Supaplex | hacim: or microwave them! |
| 03:59.52 | tcsetattr | k-god, do you have any details on the traffic besides the hostnames? captured packets? |
| 03:59.56 | loke_ | silll stares |
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| 04:00.06 | hacim | Supaplex: :) |
| 04:00.24 | safrican | loke_: i have 3.1 in my /etc/debian_version instead of testing/unstable which i saw this morning |
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| 04:00.47 | pipeline | hacim: Mostly the last one. |
| 04:00.56 | loke_ | maher thanks |
| 04:01.07 | pipeline | hacim: Orb failed because there were too many unexpected modes of failure |
| 04:01.29 | hacim | pipeline: you mean in terms of the media |
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| 04:01.39 | loke_ | safrican really? |
| 04:01.42 | hacim | pipeline: how is orb media different than jaz or zip then? |
| 04:01.48 | loke_ | safrican i think thats woody |
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| 04:02.01 | k-god | tcsetattr: HTTP connect attempts. "Site under construction". |
| 04:02.05 | safrican | loke_: nah.. i have debian Unstable.. Woody is 3.0_r1 |
| 04:02.07 | pipeline | hacim: Jaz was also a total failure. |
| 04:02.08 | d0ugie | roadrunner gives out static IPs without any kind of filtering to stop servers, and they don't use any authentication client crap like Verizon does? |
| 04:02.09 | safrican | :-/ |
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| 04:02.13 | loke_ | safrican ok |
| 04:02.15 | k-god | tcsetattr: I noticed this after proxying all MSIE traffic to a blockhost. |
| 04:02.18 | pipeline | hacim: Zip lives on as a glorified floppy, not as a backup medium. |
| 04:02.19 | loke_ | safrican your point? |
| 04:02.28 | k-god | tcsetattr: Apparently spoolsv.exe is the originating process on the 'doze box. |
| 04:02.35 | safrican | loke_: no cause debian 3.1 isn't released and the site says 3.1 is sarge |
| 04:02.36 | safrican | :-/ |
| 04:02.49 | willtmo | Dumb question but here goes : 3.0 means stable right ? |
| 04:02.57 | hacim | pipeline: why were jaz drives total failures? |
| 04:03.02 | tcsetattr | k-god, is there someone using the 'doze box, or is it doing it while it should be idle? |
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| 04:03.12 | straw | solved my oss modules loading before alsa modules problem :) |
| 04:03.16 | loke_ | safrican no i ways saying my cat /etc/debian_version says testing/unstable |
| 04:03.29 | loke_ | s/ways/was |
| 04:03.32 | tcsetattr | willtmo, 3.0 doesn't "mean" stable. 3.0 currently happens to be the stable version. A couple years ago stable was 2.2 and 3.0 was testing. |
| 04:03.32 | zinx | hacim: because they were overpriced and caught on fire. |
| 04:03.37 | safrican | loke_: k sorry |
| 04:03.39 | hacim | zinx: caught on FIRE? |
| 04:03.44 | zinx | hacim: yes. |
| 04:03.44 | k-god | tcsetattr: RPCNET.EXE |
| 04:03.45 | loke_ | safrican no worries dude |
| 04:03.47 | k-god | tcsetattr: Nope. |
| 04:03.48 | hacim | zinx: no way |
| 04:03.51 | k-god | tcsetattr: Its just sitting there. |
| 04:03.56 | pipeline | hacim: Let's see, they were on the market for all of two years.... they were slow... they held 1/10th as much as a tape... and you can't buy media anymore. |
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| 04:04.05 | straw | hi zinx! what's up? |
| 04:04.11 | d0ugie | it's a good idea to check at least three different mirrors before downloading a fresh deb install to make sure it isn't old, as they often are |
| 04:04.21 | pipeline | hacim: All the people who would have used a proprietary Jaz drive would much rather use those metal magnetic disk cartridges. What are those called again? |
| 04:04.33 | k-god | tcsetattr: 'Doze netstat gives PIDs but not process names. |
| 04:04.55 | Nach | The_Vulture, I fixed my problem, I simply got the libgcc1 3.4.1 package of the debian website |
| 04:04.57 | threeseas | Well if I knew what better to call the white spots collecting around the mouse I migyt find help via google |
| 04:05.04 | tcsetattr | k-god, have you tried a virus scanner? :) |
| 04:05.11 | lucas | i've got some weird mouse jumpiness in X, only noticed it this morning, haven't changed anything... any ideas what's going on? known issue? |
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| 04:05.17 | safrican | how do i know what version is foo if i'm about to install foo ? |
| 04:05.19 | willtmo | To upgrade to testing or unstable I have reading here and there that you have to change a few files. When I was looking to change those files I found some areas missing so I stopped everything and put it all back the way it was. What operations do I have to do to effectively upgrade to testing/unstable ? |
| 04:05.23 | tcsetattr | threeseas, I liked the phrase "mouse pointer dandruff". |
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| 04:05.38 | safrican | because i cannot find out what version i'm installing |
| 04:05.42 | pipeline | willtmo: Usually, you edit /etc/apt/sources.list, then run apt-get update, then run apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 04:05.43 | k-god | tcsetattr: Installed and running. |
| 04:05.56 | pipeline | safrican: There's a flag you can pass to apt-get to pretend to do it rather than actually do it. |
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| 04:06.06 | zinx | hacim: hmm, apparently it was some other medium that caught fire :x |
| 04:06.14 | safrican | pipeline: thanks i'll read about it |
| 04:06.26 | loke_ | do i need to have apm installed to use acpi? |
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| 04:06.44 | loke_ | what up dvddecrypter |
| 04:06.51 | loke_ | i like your software dude |
| 04:06.56 | pipeline | zinx: Nah, I think it was indeed jaz. |
| 04:06.59 | willtmo | How would I edit /etc/apt/source.list ? It is a list of server addresses |
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| 04:07.18 | threeseas | tcsetattr: yeah.... that came to mind before "snow" did.... but I belive its related to the video card as a lessor capable card didn't have that problem |
| 04:07.20 | loke_ | willtmo vi /etc/apt/source.list and add or remove or alter the links |
| 04:07.31 | straw | at any rate it turned out the discover1 package was loading the emu10k1 module |
| 04:07.57 | tcsetattr | k-god, if you give me the suspicious EXE file I can try to figure out what it is... |
| 04:08.19 | safrican | what language is apt written in? |
| 04:08.23 | safrican | Perl ? |
| 04:08.49 | willtmo | Do you people mean to change the end of the lines with "stable main" and change it to "testing main" or "unstable main" or just playing in the server adresses ? |
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| 04:09.26 | safrican | pipeline: -s |
| 04:09.30 | safrican | that's the flag right ? |
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| 04:10.57 | punkass | hello |
| 04:11.03 | loke_ | i compiled my kernel with acpi modules but i cant seem to check the battery status? |
| 04:11.09 | k-god | tcsetattr: Sec. |
| 04:11.31 | d0ugie | any smb/vpn packages that would take care of the debian server on the office network as well as offer clients for home win pcs to connect to the office's deb box for storage, faxing, emailing, etc? or does the home user's client ware not make a difference |
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| 04:11.51 | punkass | anyone know why I would have a crackle coming speakers...just got a new sound card.. |
| 04:11.53 | loke_ | k-god, i didnt realize you are a person, i thought a lot of peeps in here were just talkin to god, you know, the religious type |
| 04:11.56 | mboso | anyone know how to get X to recgonize .enc.gz fonts |
| 04:11.58 | threeseas | fun tonite--- me windblows box has internal cable problems so the cover is off, the linux box has (I don't know when but recent) a PS fan died, so the cover is off.... the compaq system has the cover off due to swapping out hardware....I have a laptop broken open.... What the hell they puyt these things in cases to begin with.... :) |
| 04:12.00 | mboso | for some reason my fonts in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/encodings/large won't load |
| 04:12.06 | mboso | but wheni try to create one i get an empty file |
| 04:12.24 | loke_ | punkass you sound card suckx |
| 04:12.27 | punkass | doh! |
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| 04:12.33 | loke_ | lol |
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| 04:12.38 | loke_ | dunno dude |
| 04:12.39 | punkass | its a gainward 7.1 |
| 04:12.40 | k-god | loke_: loke_ Well, opinions vary. |
| 04:12.44 | punkass | its brand new |
| 04:12.45 | initech | punkass: mixer settings perhaps? |
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| 04:12.58 | d0ugie | punkass: if all else fails, before you give up, try plugging your cable not into the audio-out but the mic in jack.. when i threw on deb, it actually used my mic jack to output stereo sound |
| 04:13.10 | initech | punkass: i mean an occaisional crackle or a steady cacophony of crap? |
| 04:13.16 | loke_ | i though eveyone in here is like k-god, please for give me for i hvae sinned |
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| 04:13.30 | d0ugie | cacophony of crap, that has a good ring to it |
| 04:13.44 | loke_ | d0ugie thats funny |
| 04:13.56 | loke_ | the mic jack as the output jack |
| 04:14.05 | hacim | zinx: hehe |
| 04:14.07 | punkass | steady |
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| 04:14.19 | initech | punkass: alsa or oss? |
| 04:14.22 | punkass | alsa |
| 04:14.24 | loke_ | punkass your screwed, take the sound card back, and give me your box |
| 04:14.36 | punkass | lol |
| 04:14.37 | k-god | loke_: Truth be told, the main reason for this nick is that k-dog was already taken. |
| 04:14.46 | loke_ | lol |
| 04:14.54 | d0ugie | i swear that's what happened, after 50 hours of module/kernel advice from #debian, i finally randomly tried plugging my stereo into the mic jack and voila, sound.. they wouldn't believe me though and called me a lamer. |
| 04:14.55 | punkass | tried playing with the mixer settings too..didnt help |
| 04:14.55 | loke_ | well, shouldnt it ne god-k |
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| 04:15.14 | initech | i had a similar prob with alsa, i had to turn some mixer settings down, the "AC97" (whatever that is) slider was making it freak out, so I muted it |
| 04:15.21 | loke_ | well, shouldnt it be god-k |
| 04:15.29 | punkass | ok..doh..have to go..back in a bit |
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| 04:15.38 | ki4cgp | maher, xandros is based on debian, but its some sort of abomination of it. It tells me I already have debian installed. |
| 04:15.47 | initech | punkass: sure you're seeing them all? run alsamixer in the console to be sure |
| 04:15.58 | loke_ | initech my AC97 works fine |
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| 04:16.19 | initech | loke_: wtf is ac97 anyway, in regards to my emu10k? |
| 04:16.19 | loke_ | can anyone help me with my acpi? |
| 04:16.21 | maher | ki4cgp: debootstrap into the spare partition |
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| 04:16.32 | ki4cgp | oki...lemme work on that |
| 04:16.33 | loke_ | initech i dunno dude, thats what lspci shows |
| 04:16.35 | d0ugie | ok so Windows OSs do not come with vpn clients? gotta use some citrix shit? |
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| 04:16.45 | encrypt | is there a tool to unzip rar files? |
| 04:16.51 | loke_ | d0ugie hence MS sucks |
| 04:16.52 | Nach | unrar |
| 04:16.57 | zinx | encrypt: no, but there's one to unrar them |
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| 04:16.57 | initech | encrypt: unrar |
| 04:17.02 | Nach | get on www.rarsoft.com or something like that |
| 04:17.06 | encrypt | ah nice, ty |
| 04:17.09 | loke_ | encrypt tar |
| 04:17.15 | encrypt | tar? |
| 04:17.18 | encrypt | which flags please? |
| 04:17.31 | tcsetattr | tar is not rar |
| 04:17.34 | ki4cgp | maher, I'll have to repartition. He used the entire 4 gigs |
| 04:17.43 | willtmo | Thank you. I will give your help a try. |
| 04:17.47 | sciboy | =) |
| 04:17.47 | tcsetattr | rar is included in the non-free section of the debian archive. |
| 04:17.51 | maher | ki4cgp: how big is swap |
| 04:17.59 | loke_ | encrypt unrar -x |
| 04:18.04 | sciboy | CRt monitors annoy the heck out of me. |
| 04:18.05 | ki4cgp | hmm...I'll have to look |
| 04:18.05 | encrypt | tks |
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| 04:18.13 | tcsetattr | if you need to unrar a RAR v3 archive, check backports.org for a recent "unrar" |
| 04:18.17 | Nach | loke_: I believe it's unrar e |
| 04:18.18 | zinx | tc: no, and old version of unrar that doesn't support half the new compression schemes is included |
| 04:18.19 | loke_ | encrypt i thought you said tar |
| 04:18.23 | zinx | s/and/an/ |
| 04:18.32 | tcsetattr | zinx, backports.org has rar v3 for woody |
| 04:18.35 | loke_ | Nach i think -e and -x do pretty much the same |
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| 04:18.41 | initech | sciboy: yes, a line printer is better as a display |
| 04:18.44 | Nach | loke_: not -e, e |
| 04:18.44 | Tezkah | the package rar does the same thing |
| 04:18.55 | ki4cgp | maher, just shy of 200 megs |
| 04:19.13 | loke_ | Nach well my man page says -x = extract |
| 04:19.26 | Tezkah | ooh, rar is in non-free |
| 04:19.32 | loke_ | heh |
| 04:19.39 | Nach | loke_: interesting that my binary has no clue what -x is |
| 04:19.43 | maher | ki4cgp: i think that's just big enough for base - so you could install into the swap partition - then reboot and install into the main partition from swap |
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| 04:19.50 | loke_ | Nach i just apt'd it |
| 04:19.51 | d0ugie | how is it that apparently unlike every *nix filesystem, MS filesystems need chronic defragging? Do they do it on purpose, so at first a new buyer is dazzled with their box's speed, but slowly the thing seems to "age" and become slower, and thus they are more likely to upgrade to the next wintel setup? I mean, jeez |
| 04:20.08 | loke_ | Nach unrar 0.0.1 |
| 04:20.16 | loke_ | Nach unrar -V |
| 04:20.30 | Nach | there is no -V |
| 04:20.34 | loke_ | really? |
| 04:20.34 | Nach | UNRAR 3.30 freeware Copyright (c) 1993-2004 Eugene Roshal |
| 04:20.44 | loke_ | i dunno |
| 04:20.44 | initech | d0ugie: also, unix fs' need less defragginh simply due to intelligent design, e.g., /var separated |
| 04:20.53 | k-god | tcsetattr: Well, c:\WINDOWS\system32\RPCNET.EXE exists on all ten systems here, same md5sum. Which tends to suggest it's legit. |
| 04:20.58 | loke_ | Nach i just apt'd it so i dunno |
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| 04:20.59 | Nach | loke_: apparently you're not using the official rar |
| 04:21.07 | loke_ | Nach my bad |
| 04:21.10 | encrypt | got it |
| 04:21.10 | encrypt | thanks |
| 04:21.15 | ki4cgp | maher, will you be around for a while? |
| 04:21.16 | loke_ | Nach can you help me with my acpi? |
| 04:21.19 | encrypt | its not -x but x |
| 04:21.23 | loke_ | ok |
| 04:21.24 | encrypt | unrar x file |
| 04:21.25 | Nach | loke_: probably not |
| 04:21.31 | loke_ | ahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 04:21.37 | foxcokk | in the interfaces config file to make the eth0 (public interface) dynamic, u remove the static argument and then what do u do with the address directive? |
| 04:21.37 | Tezkah | unrar -x filename |
| 04:21.38 | loke_ | i need help with acpi? |
| 04:21.44 | Nach | e Extract files to current directory |
| 04:21.45 | Nach | x Extract files with full path |
| 04:21.54 | initech | foxcokk: " |
| 04:22.01 | maher | ki4cgp: maybe... - you'll need to first either turn off swap or reboot with noswap - then install in swap - then reboot to swap - then install in main |
| 04:22.01 | loke_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.07 | struct | does mozilla firefox require an extra package to interpret javascript? |
| 04:22.07 | initech | foxcokk: "dhcp" rather than "static" |
| 04:22.30 | foxcokk | k and then do i remove the address line or what? |
| 04:22.35 | initech | struct: no, afaik |
| 04:22.39 | loke_ | Nach this version i just got of unrar doesnt even have e, and i used it before, just couldnt remember what the switch was |
| 04:22.55 | loke_ | Nach i remember using e now |
| 04:23.06 | Nach | loke_: I wonder if your version supports RAR 3.3 archives |
| 04:23.08 | maher | ki4cgp: swapoff will turn swap off |
| 04:23.16 | loke_ | Nach i dunno |
| 04:23.27 | loke_ | Nach you got a link? |
| 04:23.40 | Nach | you can make one with RAR from the official homepage |
| 04:23.43 | foxcokk | initech? |
| 04:23.54 | ki4cgp | maher OK. I'll have to init his sytem into console only multiuser, so it will drop the default kde that starts up |
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| 04:24.14 | maher | ki4cgp: are you logged in remotely or are you local? |
| 04:24.15 | Nach | http://www.rarsoft.com/rar/rarlinux-3.3.0.tar.gz |
| 04:24.21 | ki4cgp | maher, remotely |
| 04:24.34 | k-god | tcsetattr: Which makes me suspect something else is invoking it. |
| 04:24.43 | maher | ki4cgp: don't worry about console / kde then |
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| 04:24.53 | tcsetattr | k-god it could be because of a shared library used by that process |
| 04:25.16 | ki4cgp | maher, his kde session might slow things down when I turn off swap |
| 04:25.34 | loke_ | Nach works |
| 04:25.42 | maher | ki4cgp: you're going to hose hi entire box - that's the least of his worries |
| 04:26.06 | foxcokk | In the interfaces config file, do u need an address line for your public interface if it has a dhcp assigned (dynamic_ ip? |
| 04:26.09 | initech | should i bother getting a scsi dvd reader? |
| 04:26.13 | ki4cgp | maher, hehe. true. He's OK with me doing it. |
| 04:26.29 | maher | ki4cgp: does he have any data to back up? |
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| 04:26.40 | k-god | tcsetattr: Pardon? |
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| 04:26.53 | ki4cgp | maher, no. everything instlled on there, I installed with apt-get |
| 04:26.59 | hax | how can i tell what driver a broadcom 4400 is? |
| 04:27.07 | tcsetattr | k-god, you md5sum'ed the main program but that doesn't say anything about the libraries |
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| 04:27.24 | streuner | hax: groups.google.com |
| 04:27.25 | zinx | hax: try the one that says it's a driver for "broadcom 4400" |
| 04:27.33 | q_a_z_steve | can someone send me to a good page for many different fsf or open things for mac? |
| 04:27.37 | k-god | tcsetattr: Point. |
| 04:27.44 | maher | q_a_z_steve: fink |
| 04:27.50 | hax | zinx: yeah, i dont see that anywhere |
| 04:28.00 | zinx | hax: which kernel version? |
| 04:28.01 | q_a_z_steve | maher: ??? I do something wrong? I' |
| 04:28.04 | q_a_z_steve | I |
| 04:28.05 | q_a_z_steve | I' |
| 04:28.09 | deadcat | anyone have a good config file for devilspie? damn that thing is cryptic. )= |
| 04:28.19 | zinx | hax: it's been there since 2.4 sometime :x |
| 04:28.21 | maher | q_a_z_steve: fink <-- port of debian package system to mac X |
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| 04:28.33 | zinx | hax: you looking in the config or in your current modules? |
| 04:28.44 | cievo | all...hello :) |
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| 04:28.52 | q_a_z_steve | I'm sorry I'm trying to stay away from Micro-sift |
| 04:29.01 | d0ugie | so, straight-up CUPS and an smb server is enough to get a deb box sharing its printer (assuming it has the drivers) to the Microsoft Network Clients pcs, or does anything extra need to be done to the other win boxes to interact with that printer through cups through samba? I guess i'm asking, does a remote computer use its own local printer drivers to pump something out of the laserjet or does it instruct cups via smb to print with li |
| 04:29.09 | hax | zinx: oh nevermind, found it |
| 04:29.09 | cievo | q_a_z_steve : that's the way i like it :) |
| 04:29.25 | lucas | d0ugie: the win client can supply the drivers |
| 04:29.30 | zinx | hax: at least you don't have a 4401 :P |
| 04:29.37 | d0ugie | ok great |
| 04:30.09 | lucas | d0ugie: you can even put the win client drivers on the print share and windows will download them and install them when you setup the printer in windows |
| 04:30.27 | ki4cgp | maher, swapoff enabled |
| 04:30.28 | lucas | d0ugie: so you don't have to scroll through lists of printers when setting up each win client |
| 04:30.38 | d0ugie | on the print share, meaning stored on the deb box? |
| 04:30.42 | foxcokk | In the interfaces config file, do u need an address line for your public interface if it has a dhcp assigned (dynamic) ip? |
| 04:30.50 | d0ugie | hot damn that is badass |
| 04:31.14 | lucas | d0ugie: yeah if you can be bothered |
| 04:31.18 | tcsetattr | fox, you just put "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and delete all the junk that comes after it. |
| 04:31.44 | foxcokk | oh. ok thanks |
| 04:31.55 | tcsetattr | leave the "auto eth0" if you want it ifup'ed on boot. |
| 04:32.14 | foxcokk | yeah |
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| 04:34.14 | d0ugie | so i was networking my office from scratch, going on top of those foamy ceiling tiles, banging holes in the walls with a screwdriver, etc ... then my skin felt extremely itchy and very uncomfortable, and it stayed like that for days. Took a shower, put on the same shirt, immediately itchy. Does that sound like Asbestos to you |
| 04:34.33 | Dr_Willis | No. |
| 04:34.39 | Dr_Willis | fiberglass perhaps |
| 04:34.42 | ki4cgp | sounds like fiberglass |
| 04:34.52 | maher | d0ugie: no - probably leprosry |
| 04:34.58 | Dr_Willis | You'd be hard pressed to find Asbestos. |
| 04:34.59 | k-god | d0ugie: Fiberglass. |
| 04:35.07 | d0ugie | so I shouldn't worry then, right maher.. |
| 04:35.13 | k-god | d0ugie: ...or vegemite. Also very dangerous stuff best used for insulation. |
| 04:35.17 | Dr_Willis | just dont eat it. :P |
| 04:35.17 | d0ugie | dr willis: this is a pretty ghetto office |
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| 04:36.08 | d0ugie | Let's say it was asbestos, even though odds are most likely it was not. Would a one-afternoon exposure screw me up permanently? Would I be forever tainted? |
| 04:36.28 | maher | d0ugie: talk to your union :) |
| 04:36.29 | debian-san | I'm trying to change the font of my xterm. I've put this in my .Xdefaults file: |
| 04:36.35 | foxcokk | dougie: asbestos is still common, but i doubt it. i think think the would put insulation on top of tiles. it would be in the walls if anywhere |
| 04:36.58 | foxcokk | dougie. if it was asbestos u could get cancer |
| 04:37.05 | debian-san | XTerm*Font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1 |
| 04:37.19 | ki4cgp | maher, changed linux swap to ext2, and rebooting |
| 04:37.19 | d0ugie | so on those light foamy ceiling tiles, fiberglass is often present? |
| 04:37.35 | foxcokk | yes. there isnt asbestos on them |
| 04:37.46 | debian-san | Should I see the change as soon as I open a new xterm or do I need to restart X before seeing the change? |
| 04:37.53 | maher | ki4cgp: umm - ok you didn't need to reboot - just mount the swap somewhere and use debootstrap to install stable there |
| 04:38.04 | d0ugie | ok good thanks for the peace of mind |
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| 04:38.11 | foxcokk | np |
| 04:38.43 | ki4cgp | maher, Oh well...It told me I was still using old partition table...wasn't sure if it would mount and use the swap if it still knew it was swap |
| 04:38.57 | initech | d0ugie: asbestos is usually in flooring |
| 04:38.57 | k-god | d0ugie: Asbestos is most often mixed in with the building materials themselves. Part of the concrete, etc. It's actually pretty stable until you start knocking things apart. |
| 04:38.59 | maher | ki4cgp: oh - ok |
| 04:39.10 | k-god | d0ugie: ...yeah. Also flooring tiles. |
| 04:39.18 | foxcokk | initech: flooring? wtf. its in walls. its used for insolation |
| 04:39.50 | ki4cgp | I have seen walls made of asbestos, and roofing |
| 04:39.59 | initech | foxcokk: the vinyl tiles you see in most commercial buildings, and the tar backing beneath it, are full of asbestos |
| 04:40.09 | foxcokk | really? |
| 04:40.16 | foxcokk | i didnt know what |
| 04:40.21 | Dr_Willis | and they are darn tasty! |
| 04:40.25 | foxcokk | lol |
| 04:40.32 | d0ugie | So would you guys say that, considering its efficacy in insulation and the general American FUD around lung related stuff (like cigarettes), that asbestos is highly underrated? |
| 04:40.35 | initech | foxcokk: if it's more than 30 or so years old, yeah |
| 04:40.47 | foxcokk | funny u should say that. for some odd reason i put a foppy disk half way inb myt mnouth |
| 04:41.03 | MerlinCorey | I think I'll write a program called absestos... it will slowly and silently kill your computer, while providing some stability and security improvements at the same time... |
| 04:41.16 | foxcokk | ahahaha |
| 04:41.19 | initech | d0ugie: no asbestos sucks, it can cause a particularly virulent cancer, melanelioma (sp?) |
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| 04:42.00 | pipeline | initech: Nah, it leads to asbestosis, which often leads to extremely unpleasant cancers plural. As in, a blossoming of multiple tumors. Ugly. |
| 04:42.10 | AnvilPrime | OMFG ... after 3-4 hours of playing with gnome 2.6 ... I have to say GNOME is my favorite desktop environment now |
| 04:42.22 | MerlinCorey | yay... |
| 04:42.36 | AnvilPrime | after installing all the applets this poppy runs so nice... so intuitive |
| 04:42.38 | pipeline | d0ugie: Asbestos has its place, but standard wrap-around insulation isn't it. It only takes one or two fibers to cause cancer. |
| 04:42.40 | django34 | Are gettys necessary on a server that's never accessed via a console? Can I disable them? All but one, perhaps? |
| 04:42.53 | foxcokk | yay i get cable tomorrow. woopie. dsl sucks since i am like 9999999 miles from telco |
| 04:43.09 | d0ugie | If your concern is avoiding crashes, ought one go with a slower rpm HD? or is a 5400 and a 7200 version of a seagate 120meg HD going to pretty much tie each other in longevity |
| 04:43.10 | AnvilPrime | MerlinCorey: I used fluxbox for 2 years... and I got fed up with the crappy window drawing compared to windows |
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| 04:43.29 | foxcokk | 7200 == better |
| 04:43.32 | k-god | tcsetattr: Sniffing packets with tcpdump |
| 04:43.32 | AnvilPrime | desktop environment like gnome and kde solve that problem |
| 04:43.47 | AnvilPrime | however KDE locks up on me so often that I got sick of it after 1 day |
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| 04:44.04 | Dr_Willis | i cant say that ive ever had any problem with kde locking up that i can recall |
| 04:44.09 | AnvilPrime | and KDE is always in your face with 200000 useless button and unintuitive interface |
| 04:44.10 | foxcokk | i have |
| 04:44.22 | initech | AnvilPrime: hmm .. maybe delete your .kde |
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| 04:44.32 | Dr_Willis | I find gnome to be In my face assuming i am an idiot and not lettting me do things/changes :P |
| 04:44.33 | AnvilPrime | Dr_Willis: this is on a new Dell Centrino laptop not custom built computer |
| 04:44.37 | d0ugie | 10000 rpm = excessive and probably less stable? |
| 04:44.40 | AnvilPrime | initech: it was a FRESH install |
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| 04:44.53 | Dr_Willis | AnvilPrime, yep I got a Emachind 6809 AMD64 - its a little... flakey at times :P |
| 04:44.57 | Dr_Willis | Emachine. |
| 04:45.00 | initech | AnvilPrime: shrug, never had a prob with kde |
| 04:45.01 | foxcokk | excessive yes. |
| 04:45.07 | k-god | django34: They're not necessary until you need them, at which time, they're awfully handy. |
| 04:45.13 | AnvilPrime | Dr_Willis: I meant to finish that sentence |
| 04:45.25 | k-god | django34: If memory's a premium, run 3-4 only, instead of 6. |
| 04:45.25 | Jambon | anyone ever used enlightenment (the wm or apps)? |
| 04:45.28 | hax | how can i determine the vertical and horizontal sync ranges on my laptop? |
| 04:45.29 | AnvilPrime | Dr_Willis: I meant.. out of the box, for my hardware, KDE locksup.. Gnome runs rock solid |
| 04:45.35 | django34 | k-god: But this is a remote server that I will never have physical access to. Could I get away with 2? |
| 04:45.39 | scarynetworkguy | hax manual |
| 04:45.44 | foxcokk | i cant wait for 64 bit windows... |
| 04:45.45 | k-god | django34: Remote hands? |
| 04:45.45 | cievo | hax: do you have LCD ? |
| 04:45.50 | Dr_Willis | AnvilPrime, Heh. I got to disable pcmcia for the thing to even boot. :P |
| 04:45.55 | hax | cievo: yes, its a laptop |
| 04:45.59 | hax | scarynetworkguy: i don't think it's in it |
| 04:46.02 | k-god | django34: I'd invest in a serial-over-ethernet interface, myself. |
| 04:46.07 | django34 | k-god: Yeah, it's one of those hosted dedicated-server deals. |
| 04:46.14 | AnvilPrime | hax: what model is?? pray there are people with howtos for your model |
| 04:46.16 | cievo | hax: ? There is not need for LCD diplay to set those settings |
| 04:46.28 | AnvilPrime | with laptops every week the OEM uses a different brand LCD |
| 04:46.34 | hax | AnvilPrime: new dell inspirion 8600 |
| 04:46.35 | scarynetworkguy | hax in that case if it was me I'd google on it odds are someone somewhere had doced it |
| 04:46.36 | k-god | django34: Again: what's the downside of running 'em? For anything post-486, the overhead's minimal. |
| 04:46.38 | AnvilPrime | so even with same model number you could have different displays |
| 04:46.41 | AnvilPrime | hax: DUDE |
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| 04:46.44 | d0ugie | between seagate, maxtor and western digital, which would y'all recommend for stability and cost effectiveness? Which brand do you trust. |
| 04:46.45 | AnvilPrime | hax: you are in luck |
| 04:46.49 | hax | AnvilPrime: ? |
| 04:46.51 | foxcokk | WD |
| 04:46.53 | AnvilPrime | I am currently typing this on the same computer |
| 04:46.54 | foxcokk | maxtor sucks |
| 04:46.55 | pipeline | d0ugie: They're all awful. |
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| 04:47.01 | hax | AnvilPrime: really? |
| 04:47.04 | django34 | k-god: They're just more things running...I like keeping the process list as short as possible, within reason. |
| 04:47.05 | hax | AnvilPrime: what kernel you running? |
| 04:47.06 | foxcokk | western digital is good. maxtor sucks ass |
| 04:47.08 | AnvilPrime | I know all about setting up the inspiron 8600 |
| 04:47.09 | d0ugie | pipeline: what's your dream HD brand |
| 04:47.12 | AnvilPrime | I am running 2.6.7 |
| 04:47.14 | pipeline | d0ugie: It varies so much batch-to-batch, no anecdotal evidence is worthwhile. Maxtor's not as bad as it was during the quantum days. |
| 04:47.19 | AnvilPrime | I can evne hook you up with my kernel config |
| 04:47.22 | hax | AnvilPrime: awesome |
| 04:47.24 | AnvilPrime | it's setup so l337 |
| 04:47.25 | hax | AnvilPrime: i'd apprecaite that alot |
| 04:47.26 | pipeline | d0ugie: Say, Seagate SCSI with a 5-year warranty? |
| 04:47.35 | initech | d0ugie: seagate, what with the new 5 year waranty |
| 04:47.39 | hax | AnvilPrime: i've been trying to do the kernel thing all day, i just cant make it work |
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| 04:47.45 | hax | AnvilPrime: but first... what are the lcd specs? |
| 04:48.01 | scarynetworkguy | pipeline, d0ugie true story I have a maxtor that has been rock solid for 2 years. But back in the quantum days I had 2 die in as many months |
| 04:48.04 | AnvilPrime | give me your email.. I can email y ou the XFree86 config too |
| 04:48.10 | AnvilPrime | I have the 1680x1050 native res |
| 04:48.20 | k-god | django34: Your call. I'd keep a few of 'em around. I cut a 486 box to four. Personally I'd find other processes to kill. But that's me. |
| 04:48.28 | d0ugie | warranty schmwarrenty, i dont want that baby crashing, cash back or not |
| 04:48.28 | foxcokk | i have 2 maxtor 120gb satas on raid 0. one failed the other day. lost a otn of stuff |
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| 04:48.32 | d0ugie | and i'm too lazy to back up |
| 04:48.41 | pipeline | using RAID-0 was the problem there. |
| 04:48.41 | d0ugie | what's the word on Hitatchi |
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| 04:48.50 | pipeline | Hitachi owns IBM's hard drive division. |
| 04:48.53 | hax | AnvilPrime: uberhax@gmail.com |
| 04:48.55 | AnvilPrime | hax: I even have the INTEL 2200 wireless working like a charm with ndiswrapper |
| 04:49.02 | foxcokk | pipeline: i know but its just so damn fast |
| 04:49.03 | AnvilPrime | which screen do you have? |
| 04:49.04 | pipeline | d0ugie: I wasn't kidding. All IDE drives are 100% equally shitty. |
| 04:49.15 | AnvilPrime | and which video card?? |
| 04:49.17 | scarynetworkguy | back in the day the deathstars ruled |
| 04:49.24 | AnvilPrime | I got the radeon 9600 128 meg |
| 04:49.25 | django34 | k-god: Cool. Thanks for your advice. |
| 04:49.26 | pipeline | foxcokk: If by "so damn fast" you mean not fast at all. Software RAID pretty much makes RAID-0 worthless :P |
| 04:49.31 | cievo | AnvilPrime : what can you use ndiswrapper for ? All devices ?! |
| 04:49.33 | hax | AnvilPrime: i got the 2100 |
| 04:49.34 | AnvilPrime | and my XFree config is setup for that |
| 04:49.37 | hax | AnvilPrime: and the nvidia 64 |
| 04:49.43 | pipeline | scarynetworkguy: They ruled even more after the controversy. Yay for 20$ 80g hard drives. |
| 04:49.48 | AnvilPrime | cievo: almost any wireless/nic that has no linux drivers |
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| 04:50.03 | scarynetworkguy | pipeline, that was pretty damn fly |
| 04:50.21 | foxcokk | software raid 0? its handled in the bios |
| 04:50.26 | AnvilPrime | hax: nvidia drivers are quite easy to setup so I'll let you figure that out.. |
| 04:50.33 | cievo | AnvilPrime : I made my D-Link 650 M revision working with it :) it's sweet project :) |
| 04:50.35 | hax | AnvilPrime: i've got that covered |
| 04:50.37 | AnvilPrime | in fact.. let me find you the Dell forums for setting up linux |
| 04:50.39 | hax | AnvilPrime: or i will, anyway |
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| 04:50.46 | d0ugie | pipeline: ok, understood. Given that, would you call a 200gig 7200 EIDE Western Digitial drive with 8meg cache for $110 a square deal? |
| 04:50.46 | hax | AnvilPrime: i seriously fscked up this instal already though |
| 04:50.46 | AnvilPrime | cievo: awesome |
| 04:50.57 | hax | AnvilPrime: accidentally ran dpkg-reconfigure -a and probably answered some question wrong |
| 04:51.01 | AnvilPrime | hax: I'll email you the kernel conig then |
| 04:51.04 | hax | AnvilPrime: awesome |
| 04:51.05 | scarynetworkguy | AnvilPrime, pizza boxes or desktops? |
| 04:51.10 | hax | AnvilPrime: do you use initrd? |
| 04:51.14 | pipeline | d0ugie: 8m cache is absolutely necessary for any drive bigger than 80g. Don't consider anything that doesn't have it. 110$ sounds like a pretty damn good price to me. |
| 04:51.33 | AnvilPrime | hax: nope |
| 04:51.42 | hax | AnvilPrime: excellent |
| 04:51.47 | AnvilPrime | ;) |
| 04:52.07 | d0ugie | You know why that sounds like a pretty damn good price to you? Because I got it from pricewatch.com, yo. |
| 04:52.11 | hax | AnvilPrime: attach both xf86 and .config |
| 04:52.15 | cievo | d0ugie : check at www.belka.com, we have good prices... |
| 04:52.23 | ki4cgp | maher: OK, the swap has been converted and mounted as ext2 |
| 04:52.27 | d0ugie | ok |
| 04:52.27 | AnvilPrime | hax: can you get me a gmail account?? heh |
| 04:52.44 | hax | AnvilPrime: i'd love to, but they stopped giving us invites to send out |
| 04:52.53 | fusQuanto | i can |
| 04:52.53 | maher | ki4cgp: ok - use debootstrap to install stable base there |
| 04:52.55 | fusQuanto | i got invite |
| 04:53.04 | ki4cgp | k |
| 04:53.10 | AnvilPrime | hax: it's sent |
| 04:53.25 | hax | AnvilPrime: can you send the xf86config too? |
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| 04:53.30 | hax | AnvilPrime: or just tell me what the ranges are |
| 04:53.51 | foxcokk | what does klined mean? |
| 04:53.52 | maher | scarynetworkguy: when you hack upon a star / makes no difference who you are... |
| 04:53.52 | AnvilPrime | hax: it only has ext3 file system btw, and you might want to check the network settings and disable the router stuff |
| 04:54.07 | AnvilPrime | hax: I'll send it to you... it's all there |
| 04:54.08 | foxcokk | maher good job |
| 04:54.08 | scarynetworkguy | maher, :) |
| 04:54.17 | hax | AnvilPrime: yeah, will do |
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| 04:55.12 | hax | AnvilPrime: heh, this is great |
| 04:55.30 | hax | AnvilPrime: i'm very lucky you happened to be here :) |
| 04:55.30 | d0ugie | cievo: for a machine that's old enough to have a >700MHz chip in it, like maybe a pentium 2 something, is that motherboard likely to support this UATA thing w/o any interfaces? |
| 04:55.39 | d0ugie | i mean <700 |
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| 04:55.53 | AnvilPrime | hax: hehe took me a while to get all the hardware working right |
| 04:55.59 | AnvilPrime | :) I am glad to help |
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| 04:56.50 | AnvilPrime | hax: XFconf is sent |
| 04:57.04 | foxcokk | what does klined mean? |
| 04:57.26 | nar | I have a Debian winbind 2.2.3a-13 that stops serving requests. I suspect that it is caused by to many client processes as lsof shows 64 files in use. How do I boost the max open files? |
| 04:57.30 | d0ugie | foxcokk it's like being kickbanned from an entire IRC network |
| 04:57.37 | streuner | foxcokk: a ban for the whole server |
| 04:57.41 | d0ugie | which is not necessarily k-rad |
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| 04:57.43 | foxcokk | ahahahaha |
| 04:57.47 | hax | AnvilPrime: did you try the 'dell laptop support' module? and it didnt work? |
| 04:57.54 | AnvilPrime | you don't want that |
| 04:57.55 | foxcokk | feel sorry for those klined bastards |
| 04:57.59 | AnvilPrime | that's for old dell laptops |
| 04:58.31 | hax | AnvilPrime: have you actually used this software suspend thing? |
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| 04:58.51 | AnvilPrime | hax: I have been trying... it doesn't work with INTEL wireless G |
| 04:58.56 | AnvilPrime | I think I have to disable that first |
| 04:58.59 | AnvilPrime | then try hibernating |
| 04:59.03 | hax | interesting |
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| 04:59.10 | hax | AnvilPrime: the think just doesnt sleep at all right now? |
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| 04:59.21 | d0ugie | is my ISP seeing my hubbed machines' individiual activity by their mac addresses, or do those not make it out on tcpip? |
| 04:59.28 | AnvilPrime | hax: I have set it to shutdown when the lid is closed.. |
| 04:59.33 | AnvilPrime | hax: so no.. it doesn't sleep |
| 04:59.39 | maher | d0ugie: they shouldn't make it out |
| 04:59.55 | hax | AnvilPrime: have you gotten the cpu frequency scaling to work? |
| 05:00.02 | AnvilPrime | ofcourse |
| 05:00.03 | AnvilPrime | works great |
| 05:00.09 | AnvilPrime | gnome even has an applet that works with it |
| 05:00.12 | hax | AnvilPrime: what can you clock it down to? |
| 05:00.17 | AnvilPrime | hax: apt-get install cpudyn |
| 05:00.27 | cievo | d0ugie he is not seeing traffic eon your local network... |
| 05:00.27 | AnvilPrime | it clocks to 600 mhz at idle |
| 05:00.33 | AnvilPrime | automatically |
| 05:00.40 | hax | nice |
| 05:00.44 | hax | AnvilPrime: whats the deal with the natsemi support? |
| 05:00.52 | deadcat | anyone have a good config file for devilspie? damn that thing is cryptic. )= |
| 05:00.55 | hax | or just left in by accident? |
| 05:01.06 | AnvilPrime | where is it?? |
| 05:01.08 | AnvilPrime | maybe a mistake |
| 05:01.17 | hax | AnvilPrime: bus options |
| 05:01.28 | AnvilPrime | lemme check |
| 05:01.34 | d0ugie | cievo: right, but lets say he thinks one machine is firing out sasser packets... can he block out that machine if all he has to go on is its own mac address? no, right? |
| 05:01.34 | hax | and under that, in pcmcia, there's two bridges there checked on... which is it? |
| 05:01.51 | punkass | have a bit of a crackle using alsa...any thoughts? |
| 05:01.57 | AnvilPrime | hax: I know what that is... that config was originally for 2.6.6 |
| 05:02.09 | hax | ahh |
| 05:02.11 | AnvilPrime | when I did make old config... that feature from 2.6.7 was checked I believe |
| 05:02.20 | d0ugie | punkass: so you've made progress from total crap to a bit of a crackle? or are you where you were |
| 05:02.25 | hax | AnvilPrime: which bridge is it? |
| 05:02.30 | hax | AnvilPrime: under pcmcia? |
| 05:02.37 | punkass | same crackle |
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| 05:02.56 | AnvilPrime | I don't use pcmcia.. |
| 05:02.57 | d0ugie | punkass: does playing normal CDs produce the same sound |
| 05:03.05 | punkass | i am still able to hear music etc...but there is the annoying buzz/crackle |
| 05:03.07 | AnvilPrime | I am pretty sure all those got checked during the transition to 2.6.7 |
| 05:03.13 | punkass | hmm havent tried |
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| 05:03.19 | cievo | d0ugie : all what he sees it's ip and mac of your router :) |
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| 05:03.22 | d0ugie | try it |
| 05:03.25 | punkass | k |
| 05:03.25 | AnvilPrime | I had them all unchecked originally.. and I havent researched which bridge is in the laptop |
| 05:03.31 | hax | AnvilPrime: alright |
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| 05:04.25 | d0ugie | but we's got the dsl adapter (?) ethernetted right into a hub |
| 05:04.34 | cievo | all...which is goot utility to check network speed ? |
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| 05:04.57 | trogger | bing |
| 05:04.58 | d0ugie | cievo apt-cache search bandwidth monitor |
| 05:05.02 | cievo | d0ugie : he sees mac an ip of that dsl adapter from outside... |
| 05:05.05 | d0ugie | bing is the bomb |
| 05:05.11 | d0ugie | high five trogger |
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| 05:05.33 | AnvilPrime | hax: if you figure out which I2C sensor to compile lemme know |
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| 05:05.40 | AnvilPrime | hax: to tell cpu temp etc... |
| 05:05.40 | trogger | which laptop? |
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| 05:05.59 | cievo | d0ugie ; thnx ;) |
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| 05:06.05 | AnvilPrime | trogger: ? |
| 05:06.26 | trogger | the laptop for I2C sensor... |
| 05:06.30 | d0ugie | cievo: bing measures bandwidth between two remote hosts, it's not your own lan resource monitor |
| 05:06.35 | AnvilPrime | trogger: Inspiron 8600 |
| 05:06.47 | trogger | cheers AnvilPrime |
| 05:06.54 | trogger | I have a Centrino laptop |
| 05:06.57 | AnvilPrime | trogger: ?? :) you KNOW!? |
| 05:07.03 | AnvilPrime | SWWEEET |
| 05:07.06 | AnvilPrime | must be same chipset |
| 05:07.10 | hax | AnvilPrime: i an see this is going to take several iterations |
| 05:07.13 | hax | AnvilPrime: you hang out here often? |
| 05:07.20 | trogger | nope |
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| 05:07.31 | cievo | all...good night :) |
| 05:07.33 | AnvilPrime | hax: once a week :( |
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| 05:07.55 | d0ugie | bing pings the two hosts with packets of varying size and uses that output to calculate a throughput estimate between one host and another, no matter how many hops in between... but the slower your own connection, the much less accurate the estimate |
| 05:08.10 | cievo | d0ugie got ya |
| 05:08.29 | cievo | Exit |
| 05:08.34 | d0ugie | but i tell you, bing is one badass curiosity satisfying hump of code |
| 05:08.39 | d0ugie | like xtraceroute |
| 05:09.10 | punkass | hmm dont seem to be getting any sound...KsCD says its playing |
| 05:09.24 | Tezkah | creepy, sshing to the same machine |
| 05:09.35 | scarynetworkguy | punkass, are you in the audio group? |
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| 05:10.07 | punkass | yup |
| 05:10.17 | scarynetworkguy | punkass, you are in KDE? |
| 05:10.21 | trogger | I could be completely wrong AnvilPrime, but if you have acpi working well, do you have a /proc/acpi/thermal_zone? |
| 05:10.22 | ki4cgp | maher: OK. debootstrap running |
| 05:10.25 | punkass | yeah |
| 05:10.33 | d0ugie | so my friend's power supply fan burnt out and his motherboard's typically 170 degrees and eventually clicks off.. until i get him a new fan, would advising him to open up the hood and blast a normal household fan into [or out of] the box? |
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| 05:11.12 | hax | AnvilPrime: any idea what bus is for the cdrom bay? |
| 05:11.24 | scarynetworkguy | punkass, in "Control Center" go to "Sound & Multimedia" then "Sound Sytem" is "enable Sound system" checked? |
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| 05:11.46 | punkass | i have sound normally..just not when trying to play a cd |
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| 05:11.56 | safrican | what are teh /var/cache/apt/archives/ used for ? |
| 05:12.02 | AnvilPrime | hax: lemme check |
| 05:12.11 | punkass | and yeah it is checked |
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| 05:12.14 | trogger | safrican: downloaded packages using apt-get install |
| 05:12.20 | misc-- | does running an fsck on a an ext3 fs while its live do anything wrong? its just a read check not a write check |
| 05:12.33 | trogger | you can get rid of them if you don't want them |
| 05:12.35 | scarynetworkguy | punkass, uncheck it log out log back in and Bob should be your uncle |
| 05:12.43 | punkass | ok |
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| 05:12.43 | safrican | trogger: so there were *.deb 's there but then i ran apt-get clean and all of them disappeared |
| 05:12.46 | AnvilPrime | hax: where??? under ATA/ATAPI? |
| 05:12.51 | hax | AnvilPrime: ? |
| 05:12.58 | safrican | trogger: are they used for anything important ? |
| 05:13.01 | hax | AnvilPrime: i just wanna know what i have to check off so i can hotplug cdrom/floppy |
| 05:13.04 | hax | /battery |
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| 05:13.11 | thoreauputic | safrican: that's what apt-get clean does, yes |
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| 05:13.16 | trogger | safrican: if you need to reinstall a package, you will have to download it again if you get rid of the package |
| 05:13.22 | trogger | otherwise you're fine |
| 05:13.29 | safrican | trogger: ah..ok.. thank you |
| 05:14.01 | dan2 | ~test |
| 05:14.03 | apt | Failed |
| 05:14.05 | AnvilPrime | hax: hmm I didn't compile any of them |
| 05:14.06 | safrican | anyone here happen to use mysql ? |
| 05:14.07 | scarynetworkguy | safrican, apt-get install packagename will download it for you |
| 05:14.15 | thoreauputic | safrican: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
| 05:14.20 | safrican | scarynetworkguy: thanks.. |
| 05:14.27 | safrican | thoreauputic: yeah i know i'm reading that as we speak |
| 05:14.50 | thoreauputic | safrican: ok - good stuff there :) |
| 05:14.56 | trogger | AnvilPrime: do you have /proc/acpi/thermal_zone? |
| 05:14.58 | AnvilPrime | the only chipset I added was Intel PIIXn chipset support and IDE/blah blah |
| 05:15.09 | AnvilPrime | trogger: probably not lemme check |
| 05:15.09 | safrican | thoreauputic: :) yup |
| 05:15.28 | hax | AnvilPrime: and any idea on the modem? |
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| 05:15.36 | AnvilPrime | trogger: heh I do |
| 05:15.39 | AnvilPrime | trogger: 51C |
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| 05:15.49 | safrican | anyways, i'm trying to install mysql using apt-get source and i did mysql-server mysql-client.. is there anything else i'd need ? |
| 05:15.55 | safrican | for getting mysqld_safe ? |
| 05:15.57 | trogger | AnvilPrime: wmacpiload is a good prog for monitoring it in docapps - there's your temp info... |
| 05:16.14 | AnvilPrime | hax: I don't use the modem either and try google.. I found Two articles that had insturctions how to get it to work |
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| 05:16.25 | AnvilPrime | hax: it was general instructions for linux in inspiron 8600 |
| 05:16.27 | AnvilPrime | so search for that |
| 05:16.36 | AnvilPrime | hax: also try dell linux forum for the modem |
| 05:16.43 | hax | AnvilPrime: alright |
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| 05:16.52 | hax | AnvilPrime: just wondering, if i need it, i'll look into it |
| 05:16.53 | AnvilPrime | hax: I only use broadband |
| 05:16.57 | hax | AnvilPrime: this is a *lot* of configuration |
| 05:17.00 | AnvilPrime | and the nic |
| 05:17.14 | AnvilPrime | hax: yea... the XFree file took me the longest |
| 05:17.24 | AnvilPrime | getting the radeon 9600 working |
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| 05:17.37 | AnvilPrime | but gnome desktop looks so beautiful now |
| 05:17.39 | AnvilPrime | it's scary |
| 05:17.52 | AnvilPrime | the text is much crisper than windows |
| 05:18.07 | AnvilPrime | trogger: is there a gnome applet that uses that??? |
| 05:18.16 | AnvilPrime | trogger: last time I tried the temp thing was in KDE |
| 05:18.28 | trogger | AnvilPrime: ummm don't know sorry |
| 05:18.28 | AnvilPrime | trogger: and the applet complained about no I2C kernel option compiled |
| 05:18.42 | ki4cgp | radeon9600? That is what I have |
| 05:18.45 | AnvilPrime | trogger: I don't wanna use dock apps when I'm running gnome |
| 05:18.51 | trogger | AnvilPrime: fair enough |
| 05:18.52 | AnvilPrime | trogger: I love windowmaker though :) |
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| 05:19.08 | AnvilPrime | I run it on all my other boxes |
| 05:19.15 | AnvilPrime | minus one with flux |
| 05:19.15 | trogger | AnvilPrime: I have previously used fluxbox, but just changed to Waimea... I like thin... |
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| 05:19.27 | AnvilPrime | waimea now has ciro with vectors and stuff |
| 05:19.31 | AnvilPrime | I heard it looks better |
| 05:19.38 | trogger | looks pretty good |
| 05:19.43 | AnvilPrime | are you using the build with cairo? |
| 05:19.44 | trogger | not quite as thin as fluxbox now :p |
| 05:19.48 | trogger | yes |
| 05:19.50 | trogger | cvs |
| 05:19.57 | AnvilPrime | have you seen fluxbox cvs??? |
| 05:20.00 | Ugly_Duck | can some one please point in the right direction to get squirrelmail to read users from a database? i have courier setup to have virtual users |
| 05:20.01 | trogger | yes |
| 05:20.02 | AnvilPrime | it's slow and big |
| 05:20.07 | owner | how to get aterm to have shadows? |
| 05:20.14 | trogger | really? |
| 05:20.23 | trogger | I found it ok... |
| 05:20.39 | AnvilPrime | trogger: depends on the themes too... |
| 05:20.43 | hax | AnvilPrime: well, i'm building |
| 05:20.46 | AnvilPrime | trogger: it's not as reponsive as original flux |
| 05:20.50 | trogger | AnvilPrime: true, true... I started making my own |
| 05:21.11 | AnvilPrime | man I should take a screenshot of my current desktop |
| 05:21.15 | trogger | AnvilPrime: Fluxbox 0.9.9 has finally made it into debian unstable after having just Fluxbox 0.1.1 in there |
| 05:21.24 | AnvilPrime | WOW |
| 05:21.29 | AnvilPrime | .14 was the one in there for ages |
| 05:21.33 | trogger | sure was |
| 05:21.43 | hax | AnvilPrime: omg, you made the tv out thing work? |
| 05:21.53 | AnvilPrime | hax: like a charm |
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| 05:22.02 | hax | AnvilPrime: awesome |
| 05:22.03 | AnvilPrime | hax: ATI has a cool gui tool for cloning monitors |
| 05:22.04 | trogger | AnvilPrime: cya later... time to make dinner... |
| 05:22.11 | AnvilPrime | I know the nvidia one works too |
| 05:22.16 | AnvilPrime | trogger: ok |
| 05:22.17 | AnvilPrime | thanks |
| 05:22.20 | hax | AnvilPrime: oh, but i'm nvidia... |
| 05:22.38 | AnvilPrime | yea |
| 05:22.41 | AnvilPrime | that's what I am saying |
| 05:22.57 | hax | AnvilPrime: i also need a line for 1920x1200 |
| 05:22.58 | AnvilPrime | check the docs for nvidia... it's probably easier to get working than ATI |
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| 05:23.13 | AnvilPrime | hmmm I thought mine had that in there |
| 05:23.31 | AnvilPrime | crap |
| 05:23.33 | ki4cgp | maher, I got kicked off when it started installing login packages and such. I'm logged back in and it seems to have installed 120 megs of stuff on that partition |
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| 05:23.50 | AnvilPrime | hax: I found those mode lines on google .. I think i can find the 1920 one |
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| 05:24.08 | hax | AnvilPrime: i can probably find it too then |
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| 05:24.20 | hax | AnvilPrime: you've helped so much already, you dont need to google for me :) |
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| 05:24.41 | AnvilPrime | hax: read that for modem |
| 05:24.46 | AnvilPrime | http://www.koeniglich.de/dell_8600.html#modem |
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| 05:25.30 | hax | sweet |
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| 05:26.08 | ceige | How would I go about making a boot floppy for the net-install debian cd? |
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| 05:26.33 | streuner | ceige: man mkboot |
| 05:26.36 | hax | AnvilPrime: vertical sync is only 43-60? |
| 05:26.43 | hax | that seems very narrow |
| 05:27.08 | ceige | streuner: Would that have all the drivers needed for accessing the internet? |
| 05:27.20 | AnvilPrime | hax: look at this for your mode |
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| 05:27.25 | AnvilPrime | http://www.gsoft.com.au/~doconnor/I8600/XF86Config |
| 05:27.42 | streuner | ceige: if they are compiled in kernel, yes. |
| 05:27.53 | AnvilPrime | that's for a display same as yours with Nvidia 5200 GO |
| 05:27.55 | streuner | ceige: What NIC do you have? |
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| 05:28.37 | AnvilPrime | hax: I got all the hotkeys working too... it's awesome |
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| 05:28.58 | ceige | streuner: I'm not installing it on the computer I'm on right now. I want linux on my Toshiba laptop which has an ethernet card. |
| 05:29.01 | hax | AnvilPrime: close, go5600 here |
| 05:29.08 | AnvilPrime | hax: gnome has built in support.. if you use a different window manager just apt-get install hotkeys |
| 05:29.16 | streuner | ceige: what model? |
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| 05:29.25 | AnvilPrime | and run $ hotkeys -t msnatpro |
| 05:29.26 | hax | AnvilPrime: he has a *much* wider range than you for his syncs |
| 05:29.27 | ceige | streuner: portege 3020CT |
| 05:29.36 | streuner | ceige: did you visit http://linux-laptop.net ? |
| 05:29.37 | ceige | streuner: Oh, the ethernet card? |
| 05:29.41 | punkass | ok so i get no crackle/buzz when i play a CD |
| 05:29.47 | AnvilPrime | hax: he probably didn't know what he was doing hehe |
| 05:29.48 | ceige | streuner: No, I haven't. Good info there? |
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| 05:30.34 | streuner | ceige: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/toshiba.html , no |
| 05:30.34 | sijis | my /etc/resolv.conf files keeps adding the \000 characters after configuration. so i see 'search domain.com\000'. i'm also having problems being recognized on a win2k network. are they related? |
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| 05:31.09 | cef_work | sijis: welcome to crappy ms dhcp server stuff |
| 05:31.24 | AnvilPrime | hax: I'm gonna take off.. have fun |
| 05:31.27 | hax | AnvilPrime: wait |
| 05:31.31 | AnvilPrime | I think dell made a pretty decent lappy |
| 05:31.32 | hax | AnvilPrime: where did your numbers come from? |
| 05:31.34 | AnvilPrime | hax: ? |
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| 05:31.37 | hax | AnvilPrime: i want to get these right |
| 05:31.38 | sijis | cef_work :) |
| 05:31.44 | hax | AnvilPrime: for the lcd horiz/vert rates |
| 05:31.54 | AnvilPrime | let me check real quick |
| 05:31.58 | hax | AnvilPrime: thanks |
| 05:31.58 | streuner | ceige: What NIC do you have inside the laptop? |
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| 05:32.00 | AnvilPrime | I will find the original config I got |
| 05:32.03 | MerlinCorey | debconf or the manual.... |
| 05:32.05 | MerlinCorey | ? |
| 05:32.09 | AnvilPrime | it has the 1920 stuff |
| 05:32.12 | ceige | streuner: hmm... I don't know what a NIC is. How can I find out? |
| 05:32.12 | AnvilPrime | but I removed it I think |
| 05:32.19 | shagor | I have a question about debian installation, anybody can help? |
| 05:32.30 | hax | AnvilPrime: i'm most interested in what the horiz/vert sync are |
| 05:32.34 | CASP6 | labas rytas |
| 05:32.39 | Tezkah | :O |
| 05:32.39 | hax | AnvilPrime: cause thats the only change to really fsck something up |
| 05:32.46 | Tezkah | Network Interface Card? |
| 05:32.55 | streuner | !nic |
| 05:32.55 | dpkg | i guess nic is (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
| 05:33.08 | AnvilPrime | hax: btw.. if you got the NEC dvd burner |
| 05:33.20 | AnvilPrime | hax: there was a hacked firmware to make it bot +/ and minus |
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| 05:33.31 | AnvilPrime | I did that to mine it's pretty cool |
| 05:33.56 | hax | AnvilPrime: very cool, but i didnt |
| 05:33.59 | hax | just normal cdrw |
| 05:34.05 | foxcokk | anvilprime: my pioneer burner is both already. i have only used - tho. which is more compatible? |
| 05:34.14 | streuner | ceige: step one, visit the manufactor-side (specs) or/and run 'lspci' under linux |
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| 05:34.38 | AnvilPrime | foxcokk: there are more - media out there |
| 05:34.41 | sijis | i remove that \000 characters and things get better. but i can't ping the deb box by just 'ping helios', i can only do 'ping 10.0.0.131'. could it be my conf setup, or win net issue? |
| 05:34.47 | AnvilPrime | foxcokk: they are both the same with compatibility |
| 05:34.50 | AnvilPrime | according to my experience |
| 05:34.59 | streuner | ceige: another possibility would be, just visit groups.google.com and search there. |
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| 05:35.04 | foxcokk | k |
| 05:35.11 | thoreauputic | two questions: (1)Will an apt-get install kernel-image -2.6.whatever pull in alsa modules etc (2) are the steps for setting up alsa different for 2.6.x kernels? |
| 05:35.33 | ceige | streuner: since I don't have linux/unix on the laptop yet lspci is out of the question... Unless I can get a boot floppy running a unix shell on the computer. Would that work/ |
| 05:35.34 | AnvilPrime | thoreauputic: eaiser to get vanilla from kernel.org ;D |
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| 05:36.02 | hax | AnvilPrime: ok, testing the new kernel |
| 05:36.14 | hax | AnvilPrime: i know it's not going to work though, it never does |
| 05:36.15 | thoreauputic | AnvilPrime: easier for whom ;D ? |
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| 05:36.40 | AnvilPrime | hax: check this |
| 05:36.41 | streuner | ceige: if the kernel supports your NIC, usually you got with a boot-floppy info via 'dmesg' about your NIC too |
| 05:36.44 | AnvilPrime | http://resolute.ucsd.edu/diwaker/articles/linux-dell-8600.html#Video |
| 05:37.06 | AnvilPrime | thoreauputic: for ME!!! I confess! |
| 05:37.12 | thoreauputic | heh |
| 05:37.24 | hax | AnvilPrime: sweet |
| 05:37.29 | lanky | is there a windows version of Rsync? |
| 05:37.43 | ceige | streuner: so should I just try to mkboot a boot floppy and see if it works? Is there even a chance/ |
| 05:37.47 | hax | AnvilPrime: thanks for all the help |
| 05:37.49 | AnvilPrime | anywho .. i gotta go ba bye now |
| 05:37.51 | AnvilPrime | np |
| 05:37.56 | AnvilPrime | :) |
| 05:37.59 | shagor | I want to do debian net installation. I burned the minimal cd. Minimal CD used kernel 2.2 for base installation. It uses file system ext2 which is not good for huge hard disk. Is there anyway I can do network installation with kernel 2.4,ext3 FS at least. I really appreciate any help on this matter. |
| 05:38.03 | AnvilPrime | have grande mucho fun all |
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| 05:38.42 | streuner | ceige: /msg dpkg ig |
| 05:38.46 | roo9 | does anyone know of a utility that can return information about the certificate on a remote ssl server? it needs to be a command line application |
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| 05:40.00 | lanky | is there a windows version of Rsync? |
| 05:40.16 | punkass | anyone know why i might have crackle/buzz when any sounds happen..its a brand new soundcard |
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| 05:40.53 | roo9 | punkass: bad cables/connections most likely |
| 05:41.19 | punkass | no cuz its fine under fedora |
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| 05:41.38 | sijis | on a laptop... is my main dhcp settings in /etc/dhclient.conf or /etc/pcmcia/network.opts? |
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| 05:41.50 | roo9 | punkass: what program are you playing audio through? |
| 05:41.54 | bobtheplucker | pretty generic question on sound mate |
| 05:42.03 | roo9 | sijils: try /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:42.32 | punkass | xmms |
| 05:42.51 | punkass | but its any sound...like a kde sound or anything has the same crackle/buzz |
| 05:42.56 | roo9 | punkass: using esd, alsa, artsd, et al |
| 05:42.58 | sijis | roo9 i have this line in interfaces 'auto eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp' that look ok? |
| 05:43.01 | punkass | alsa |
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| 05:43.28 | punkass | when i first put a cd in it was fine..then i played some kde wav file using aplay then when i played the cd again it had crackle/buzz |
| 05:43.29 | streuner | ceige: What OS do you have installed right now? |
| 05:43.32 | roo9 | sijils: that will automatically bring up eth0 and query the network for a dhcp lease, if that's what you want, then it's right |
| 05:44.22 | roo9 | punkass: alsa is your sound driver, ESD / Artsd are userspace programs that manage the sound device... are you using either of those? |
| 05:44.59 | sijis | roo9 yeah, i do. it gets an IP just fine. but the hostname isn't recognized from a windows network standpoint. so 'ping helios' doesn't work, but 'ping 10.0.0.131' does. ideas why? |
| 05:45.15 | punkass | well i am in kde so i would assume arts |
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| 05:46.22 | roo9 | punkass: try bypassing artsd, play something like via mpg123, like mpg123 -d audiodev |
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| 05:47.03 | punkass | ok |
| 05:47.11 | ShredWheat | help, i get no keyboard w/ smp kernel. can i modprobe something? |
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| 05:48.18 | deadcat | how would one start kde in .xsession ? |
| 05:48.54 | ceige | streuner: It had windows 98 but it had a catastrophic crash and now it won't boot properly into windows. |
| 05:49.03 | roo9 | sijils: well, thats a complicated issue, basically what happens is this, your windows computer querys a dns server, in this case probably your router, the router knows nothing of the 10.x.x.x range addresses, so it fails the query, the same goes for the inverse, querying "helios" will simply fail, first because it's not a FQDN (fully qualified domain name) and if windows has a querydomain set then it will fail because it's probably your |
| 05:49.14 | roo9 | might try to query helios.comcast.net, which would be invalid |
| 05:49.16 | ceige | streuner: I think I still hav DOS 'safe' mode but that's about it. |
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| 05:49.24 | jm_ | deadcat: startkde |
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| 05:49.36 | ceige | streuner: What architecture would this laptop be? It's a Pentium processor. |
| 05:49.44 | deadcat | jm_: in .xsessions? i was expecting exec snomething-kde |
| 05:50.03 | jm_ | deadcat: so startkde is not snomething-kde ? |
| 05:50.11 | deadcat | jm_: i guess (= |
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| 05:51.05 | roo9 | sijils: what I do over here is to have dns servers setup on my linux machines, the few windows machines left query these dns servers, they all have forward and reverse DNS setup for the 10.x.x.x domain and for adamjacobmuller.com, since the DHCP server tells any clients to use adamjacobmuller.com as a search domain, querying for instance, cube, would in-affect query cube.adamjacobmuller.com and this can properly resolve to 10.0.1.157 |
| 05:51.09 | sijis | roo9 its on a diff network.. at work. our router and dns do know the 10.0.0.x range. |
| 05:51.19 | streuner | ceige: hm, do you use wireless NIC or the onboard-chip? To your question it would be i386 then. |
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| 05:51.37 | punkass | should i be playing a .wav file? |
| 05:51.45 | roo9 | sijis: so then, you need to create an entry in your zone files for helios |
| 05:51.53 | roo9 | punkass: no, mpg123 only plays .mp3 |
| 05:52.03 | punkass | lol of course..doh |
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| 05:52.38 | roo9 | punkass: don't worry, there's only one stuped question... |
| 05:52.41 | sijis | roo9 there isn't a way for it to 'know' automaticallhy w/out modifying the zone file? i really don't want to use a static ip. |
| 05:52.41 | ceige | streuner: like I said... I don't know what NIC is. However this laptop does not have wireless capabilities so I assume it's an onboard chip. |
| 05:52.49 | guestish | ok, im running debian unstable but it says Debian 3.1, why??? |
| 05:52.55 | guestish | Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 |
| 05:53.00 | guestish | im not running sarge here! |
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| 05:53.27 | guestish | ideas anyone? |
| 05:53.29 | streuner | ceige: hm, is the NIC in the slot of the PCMCIA slots? |
| 05:53.33 | roo9 | sijis: nothing trivial. nothing even remotely trivial. nothing I would do. Nothing that would not require a complete re-write of bind or extensive management scripts. |
| 05:54.11 | roo9 | sijis: why not a static ip? |
| 05:54.13 | guestish | my version file has been altered... |
| 05:54.16 | geoaxis | hello ppl : is there a way to resize AN ntfs PARTITION? WITHOUT RESETTING THE BOOT CONTETS ETC ..I JUST NEED TO CUT FREE SPACE FO LINUX INSTALL . |
| 05:54.34 | guestish | geoaxis: dont use caps |
| 05:54.36 | ceige | streuner: *sigh* Could you take a second to tell me what NIC is before you ask me anymore questions about it? |
| 05:55.02 | roo9 | geustish: are you just curious? or is this causing a problem of some sort, such as a program that wont run/install/compile b/c it believes you have the wrong version of debian? |
| 05:55.07 | thoreauputic | geoaxis: remove the gum from under your caps lock key first |
| 05:55.16 | streuner | ceige: /msg dpkg nic , those cards which you make able to connect two boxes. |
| 05:55.20 | guestish | roo9: more courious then anything, my problem involves printing |
| 05:55.39 | streuner | ceige: usually ethernet-card |
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| 05:56.05 | ceige | streuner: thanks :) Yes, my ethernet card is in a PCMCIA slot. |
| 05:56.17 | streuner | ceige: laptops usually have it as onboard-chip, but many people use just wireless in PCMCIA - slots |
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| 05:56.22 | guestish | *sigh* |
| 05:56.22 | roo9 | guestish: i don't know what package maintains the version file, and in fact i'm not entirely sure any program actually refrences it for anything other than display. |
| 05:56.28 | streuner | ceige: ok, so wireless? |
| 05:56.31 | guestish | roo9: :) |
| 05:56.33 | guestish | roo9: ok |
| 05:56.43 | jsoft | Whats the package I need for make and gcc and stuff to compile the kernel called? |
| 05:56.45 | roo9 | guestish: what is the printing issue? |
| 05:56.53 | roo9 | jsoft: apt-cache search gcc |
| 05:56.56 | streuner | jsoft: apt-get install build-essential |
| 05:57.02 | jsoft | streuner: thanks |
| 05:57.09 | streuner | !info build-essential |
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| 05:57.16 | roo9 | no thanks for roo9? :-( |
| 05:57.17 | guestish | roo9: page is zoomed in like 300%, the problem doesnt lie within gs, the spooler (lprng, etc), or the application |
| 05:57.20 | dpkg | build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 05:57.25 | guestish | roo9: and i dont know where it lies |
| 05:57.28 | ceige | streuner: no, it's not wireless. Either this laptop didn't have on-board, or it couldn't do ethernet. Either way I use this card. |
| 05:57.38 | sijis | roo9 i don't think there is a need to make it static. its also a curiosity what doesn't it just 'work' w/out giving it a static ip. although, giving it a static ip would essentially fix my problem. |
| 05:57.48 | roo9 | geustish: are you using cups?, i generally abhor all other print drivers. |
| 05:57.56 | hax | i just built a new kernel, now i cant depmod... "depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented" |
| 05:58.00 | guestish | roo9: cups and lprng produce the same results |
| 05:58.01 | roo9 | s/drivers/spoolers/ |
| 05:58.02 | hax | what's up with that? |
| 05:58.09 | sijis | roo9 i'm also testing out its capabilities within our network. |
| 05:58.10 | guestish | roo9: im using foomatic (which isnt the problem either) |
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| 05:58.18 | streuner | ceige: nothing on the card itself, manufactor, model etc .etc.? |
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| 05:58.56 | guestish | so theres my problem |
| 05:59.03 | guestish | =\ |
| 05:59.07 | ceige | streuner: Buffalo 'Tough Connect' PC Type II 10/100M LPC4-CLX Ethernet PC card |
| 05:59.20 | ceige | streuner: Made in China :) |
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| 05:59.39 | Supaplex | Buffalo Soldja- |
| 05:59.42 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 05:59.45 | guestish | roo9: i dont know why its zoomed in, only that it is |
| 05:59.54 | ceige | Buffalo rocks |
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| 06:00.40 | sijis | roo9 i'm trying to think of it this way.. if we deploy 5 laptops with debian.. i don't want to give them all a static ip. just get an ip and lease it but be able to be reached (pinged) by 'ping hostname' not 'ping 10.0.0.x' |
| 06:00.43 | nimbler | is there a usual program that almost everyone uses to convert and/or view latex files? |
| 06:00.53 | roo9 | sijis: well... think... how does machine A know where machine B is located, first, if we query for fred, and the search domain is set to tom.com, it sends the query fred.tom.com to the nameserver, from here-on one of two things can happen, tom.com isn't listed in bind config, so it goes out to the root servers and traverses the DNS heirarchy until it finds an appropriate record, OR tom.com is listed in the bind config, it querys the loc |
| 06:01.02 | guestish | nimbler: #1 rule of linux, nothing is standard |
| 06:01.06 | shagor | what is the best way of installing debian? |
| 06:01.09 | streuner | ceige: just get another NIC |
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| 06:01.23 | lucas | nimbler: you mean the source or the compiled document? |
| 06:01.23 | maher | sijis: you can bind certain mac addresses to certain ips |
| 06:01.24 | pipeline | shagor: NFS. |
| 06:01.35 | ceige | streuner: oi... why? |
| 06:01.44 | ceige | streuner: Why won't this one work? |
| 06:01.45 | roo9 | sijis: remember this, the dns server (usualy bind) and the dhcp server (usually dhcpd) don't communicate. |
| 06:01.53 | shagor | pipeline: what do u mean? |
| 06:01.57 | nimbler | guestish: well, I agree with you in some ways, but I would also say that almost everyone uses cdrecord to burn cd's and almost everyone uses xmms to listen to music |
| 06:01.59 | maher | shagor: cd1 if you have x86 hw |
| 06:02.05 | pipeline | shagor: You asked the best, not the easiest :P |
| 06:02.22 | roo9 | sijis: don't forget, you can assign static ip's via dhcpd.conf, and still use a dhcp to get a static ip, if that's your concern. |
| 06:02.24 | guestish | nimbler: i do not use xmms thank you very much, and most people here dont, as far as cdrecord that is true only because there is no alternative |
| 06:02.28 | maher | nimbler: i don't use xmms |
| 06:02.29 | nimbler | lucas: the source (do you really use the word compiled for latex?) |
| 06:02.33 | shagor | pipeline: do u mean net install? |
| 06:02.51 | guestish | nimbler: cdrdao works sometimes, but its mainly for dao only |
| 06:03.06 | pipeline | shagor: Net install off of a bootable floppy or cd is probably what you want to do, but no it's not what I meant. NFS is a filesystem-sharing protocol for UNIX. |
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| 06:03.10 | nimbler | maher: right, I didn't say everyone does, but I'd be willing to bet most people do, same with cdrecord |
| 06:03.13 | lucas | nimbler: i use vim for source, but any text editor you like will be fine, i believe there are editors catering specifically to latex, umm, lyx is one... |
| 06:03.14 | guestish | roo9: no ideas? |
| 06:03.27 | lucas | nimbler: ... and yes, i'd call it compiled but i'm prepared to be corrected |
| 06:03.31 | guestish | nimbler: emacs alwas works =D |
| 06:03.40 | streuner | netgod: hi |
| 06:03.45 | netgod | streuner: hi |
| 06:04.02 | nimbler | lucas: oh, I see what you were asking, yeah, I'm wondering how you "compile" the source (I am using emacs :) ) |
| 06:04.13 | ceige | What system architecture is a Toshiba portege 3020CT laptop with a Pentium processor? |
| 06:04.35 | guestish | roo9: i guess not... |
| 06:04.36 | roo9 | sijis: the only other alternative is far more complicted. every X minutes run program via cron to.... parse /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases, match hardware MAC's to the ip they currently occupy, create a zone file to match this data, and reload bind. That's a whole hell of a lot of work for no benefit IMHO. |
| 06:04.44 | roo9 | geustish: 1s |
| 06:04.45 | guestish | !tell ceige about linux laptops |
| 06:04.47 | streuner | ceige: depends on the CPU itself, but you can start with i386 |
| 06:04.48 | guestish | !tell ceige about linux laptop |
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| 06:05.02 | wobbler | streu |
| 06:05.04 | guestish | roo9: alright |
| 06:05.09 | Caelum | holy shit, it's netgod! |
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| 06:05.16 | roo9 | gestish: no. sorry :-(, printing has never been my forte, sadly |
| 06:05.16 | netgod | heh |
| 06:05.33 | guestish | roo9: dang.. |
| 06:05.39 | guestish | roo9: well thx anyawys |
| 06:05.40 | netgod | Caelum: what better time to show up than a real live blue moon? |
| 06:05.49 | netgod | theres a poetic logic in that |
| 06:06.06 | ceige | streuner: Like I said... the CPU is a Pentium. |
| 06:06.16 | Tezkah | that linux laptop factoid needs to be update |
| 06:06.17 | Tezkah | d |
| 06:06.21 | streuner | ceige: i386 |
| 06:06.27 | punkass | roo9: still get a buzz when i do mpg123 songname.mp3 |
| 06:06.28 | sijis | roo9 i see what you mean. my dns and dhcp are on windows 2000 servers.. not bind nor dhcpd. that's why my key issues is 'not' giving them a static ip. |
| 06:06.32 | Caelum | netgod: nice to see you stop by, you've just regrown some of my synapses :) |
| 06:06.36 | netgod | hehehe |
| 06:06.37 | ceige | streuner: Where does i386 fit into this list? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 06:06.37 | Tezkah | s/mobilix.org/tuxmobil.org/ |
| 06:06.43 | roo9 | guestish: if you ever want me to debug a php script just gimme a call, printing in linux has gotten too damn complicated. filters and ppd's and other crap, sorry! |
| 06:06.59 | nimbler | maher: out of curiousity, what do you use to listen to music? mpg123? |
| 06:07.01 | guestish | roo9: no kidding, its so complicated that i dont know where to start to try to fix it |
| 06:07.04 | roo9 | sijis: hrmm... can't you assign static ip's on the 2k server? |
| 06:07.07 | Tezkah | cant you just drag your file to the device? |
| 06:07.08 | maher | nimbler: yeah - or ogg123 |
| 06:07.21 | streuner | ceige: Intel x86 |
| 06:07.23 | Tezkah | ceige, what do you want it for? |
| 06:07.25 | punkass | but i did notice that i got an kde error it sounded ok..so i played a kde sound with alsa and it buzzed..then that same error sound buzzed |
| 06:07.26 | Tezkah | do you want a desktop? |
| 06:07.28 | roo9 | guestish: i don't even have printing setup on most of my linux machines (if any) |
| 06:07.32 | Tezkah | as a net-install would be better for that |
| 06:07.37 | sijis | roo9 yeah i can.. its no problem with that..i would like to not do that. |
| 06:07.40 | guestish | roo9: well this is a desktop so its not like i have a choice |
| 06:07.42 | maher | nimbler: or realplayer for bbc radio3 :( |
| 06:07.50 | streuner | Tezkah: sure, but s(he) have a NOT common NIC... |
| 06:08.03 | nimbler | maher: haha, :( indeed |
| 06:08.04 | Tezkah | streuner, ah |
| 06:08.04 | ceige | Tezkah: Want what? The architecture? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 06:08.13 | ceige | streuner: Thanks |
| 06:08.18 | roo9 | sijis: you probably have no choice, esp running 2k... |
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| 06:08.22 | maher | nimbler: they were so close to streaming oggs but they never quite rolled it out |
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| 06:08.26 | nimbler | what do you guys use to convert/view latex source? |
| 06:08.26 | sijis | roo9 again, my thought is, if i deploy 5 cmpts with linux (debian) i don't want to give those computers static IP. |
| 06:08.38 | roo9 | sijis: why not? |
| 06:08.43 | maher | nimbler: latex foo.tex ; xdvi foo |
| 06:09.01 | nimbler | maher: rock, thanks |
| 06:09.14 | maher | sijis: why not fix the mac address to given ips |
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| 06:09.56 | roo9 | maher: he doesn't want to, for some reason |
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| 06:09.56 | sijis | roo9 i would think its unecessary. |
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| 06:09.56 | roo9 | sijis: every computer on my network has a static ip, even the printer. |
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| 06:10.09 | roo9 | sijis: if you want to be able to ping hostnames, it's 99.995% necessary |
| 06:10.27 | roo9 | sijis: and with that, i sleep, goodnite |
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| 06:10.34 | pipeline | uhh |
| 06:10.41 | pipeline | who the heck uses static IP's? |
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| 06:10.43 | sijis | roo9 thanks for the discussion and help. night |
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| 06:10.57 | d0ugie | is squirrelmail, at least in the dysmal world of web interfaced email clients, a good rig to go with? My priority being that the webmail setup uses the least resources, the least bandwidth (ie not wasting data on graphic buttons versus plain html buttons), also the least CPU intensive so the user experiences the least lag? |
| 06:10.58 | roo9 | np sijis |
| 06:11.01 | grizzlybear | maher, why people like to use F, O, O, does it stand for someting? |
| 06:11.05 | punkass | man this buzzin is going to drive me crazy |
| 06:11.09 | pipeline | grizzlybear: foo and bar...? |
| 06:11.34 | maher | grizzlybear: foo and bar are traditional compsci terms - maybe from fubar? |
| 06:11.52 | roo9 | d0ugie: yes, that's exactly what squirrelmail is. though a program like outlook express / apple mail using IMAP is better than any web-based alternative. |
| 06:11.52 | streuner | ceige: are you still around? |
| 06:11.54 | d0ugie | fubar = fucked up beyong all recognition |
| 06:11.56 | pipeline | sijis: I usually use a DHCP server, but assign addresses based upon the MAC address of the requesting machine. Best of both worlds. Alternatively, you can set up dynamic dns anduse totally dynamic ip's. |
| 06:12.12 | roo9 | nite all |
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| 06:12.21 | d0ugie | roo9 - you like Eudora? at least back in the day before they went commercial? |
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| 06:12.25 | tcsetattr | grizzlybear: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metasyntactic_variable |
| 06:13.13 | ceige | streuner: yup |
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| 06:13.43 | streuner | ceige: hm, it seems you need to make you own boot-floppy with *THAT* NIC... |
| 06:13.47 | sijis | pipeline on a w2k server? |
| 06:14.07 | pipeline | sijis: It's doable, but I am not a windows admin. I cannot tell you how. |
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| 06:14.23 | grizzlybear | tcsetattr, hey check this out from google, fubar="F up beyond all repair" |
| 06:14.28 | sijis | pipeline the dhcp and dns are on w2k |
| 06:14.33 | streuner | ceige: first find out, what kernel supports the NIC |
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| 06:14.53 | streuner | ceige: are there any infos in usenet (groups.google.com) |
| 06:15.08 | ceige | streuner: Find out what kernel supporst my ethernet card? |
| 06:15.15 | sijis | maher what did you mean about fixing the mac address, earlier? |
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| 06:15.37 | maher | sijis: you can tell you dhcp server to give certain ips to certain mac addresses |
| 06:15.38 | streuner | ceige: solution if you don't find any infos, 1) get another NIC |
| 06:16.08 | sijis | maher ahh. but that's for static ip though. :( |
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| 06:16.36 | maher | sijis: no its not the client is still doing dhcp lookup |
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| 06:16.57 | streuner | ceige: those netinstall-isos uses different kernels, so it might be, that your NIC is NOT supported... |
| 06:17.18 | pipeline | sijis: The IP doesn't change, but it's still dynamic, because it's controlled by the server, not the client. |
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| 06:17.51 | Mahdi | i just dist-upgraded here and now my mic doesnt seem to work well anymore (tvtime has almost no output). I'm using alsa... what could b wrong? =/ |
| 06:17.58 | streuner | ceige: check out /msg dpkg di |
| 06:18.01 | streuner | ceige: too |
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| 06:18.11 | sijis | pipeline are you saying my box's ip is 10.0.0.131 (currently) but on the network its something else? |
| 06:18.29 | sijis | pipeline even though the ip range in the network is 10.0.0.x |
| 06:18.47 | zignig | BLEH ! |
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| 06:18.50 | maher | sijis: static ip is when you type the ip into the box - dynamic ip is when the box gets the ip from the dhcp server |
| 06:18.53 | pipeline | sijis: No, I'm saying that you can set up IP's that don't change, through the DHCP server. |
| 06:19.12 | netgod | re i2wild |
| 06:19.16 | netgod | bah |
| 06:19.22 | pipeline | sijis: A static IP is set by the client. A dynamic IP is set through the server. Even if it never changes, it's still dynamic because it COULD change and the client would have no control. |
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| 06:20.29 | sijis | pipeline, maher ahh i see. so i'm forcing myself to get that ip (in a way) |
| 06:20.38 | sijis | through dhcp. |
| 06:21.20 | maher | sijis: yes - and if the laptop gets plugged into a different netywork it gets a different ip so you don't need to reconfigure the laptop |
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| 06:22.29 | sijis | maher how can i accomplish that? what do i edit? |
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| 06:22.43 | maher | sijis: something in your dhcp server config |
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| 06:24.11 | d0ugie | would a debian box running Poptop, a pptp/vpn server, only take connections from microsoft boxes outfitted with this Poptop setup's MS client, or would XP's included VPN client work the same with Linux servers like this one? Is the out of the box windows xp vpn client considered particularly insecure? |
| 06:24.12 | sijis | maher /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 06:24.24 | maher | sijis: what dhcp server ar eyou running? |
| 06:24.36 | sijis | w2k |
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| 06:25.00 | maher | sijis: well do something to that then |
| 06:25.46 | crickenshed | When scripting what will make a series of commands execute. The ; ie wampager; wmmoonclock; will not work. |
| 06:26.17 | sijis | maher i thought it was a client-side setup to force myself an ip on the dhcp server. |
| 06:26.26 | maher | sijis: no its server side |
| 06:26.47 | crickenshed | I want to make a script that will start a bunch of programs. What is syntax I must follow? |
| 06:26.47 | thoreauputic | crickenshed: command && command2 && command3 ? |
| 06:27.10 | pipeline | won't && run them sequentially? |
| 06:27.12 | thoreauputic | crickenshed: ah - that's not what you want then |
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| 06:27.33 | thoreauputic | pipeline: yes - that's what I thought he meant originally |
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| 06:27.42 | sijis | maher, ohh. :( |
| 06:28.33 | crickenshed | && doesn't work |
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| 06:28.38 | pipeline | chickenshed: You probably just want "command & <newline> command2 & <newline>" and so on |
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| 06:28.55 | fpmc | my new debian has problem with the program 'locate'... it says something about locatedb not found? |
| 06:29.02 | crickenshed | pipeline: yest thas what I want. |
| 06:29.13 | maher | fpmc: run updatedb |
| 06:29.21 | fpmc | maher: thanks |
| 06:29.23 | thoreauputic | fpmc: have you tried running updatedb as root? |
| 06:29.24 | ki4cgp | maher, I got the partitioned space debootstrapped |
| 06:29.38 | crickenshed | pipeline: thank you that works. |
| 06:29.39 | maher | ki4cgp: cool - remmeber to install lilo and a kernel |
| 06:29.43 | fpmc | thoreauputic: no. I didn't know I have to cause my previous machine I didn't have to |
| 06:29.57 | grizzlybear | how come 'ls -l --color |more' works but 'ls -l --color|less' sucks ? |
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| 06:30.03 | thoreauputic | fpmc: it was probably set up as a cron job |
| 06:30.13 | ki4cgp | maher, I remember it installing lilo I think |
| 06:30.15 | crickenshed | I'ma happy camper. Now I can start all my dockapps at once. |
| 06:30.24 | ki4cgp | maher, I'm sure it isn't set up tho |
| 06:30.28 | thoreauputic | fpmc: usually you set it to run once a day |
| 06:30.43 | maher | ki4cgp: ok - make sure you have a kernel and lilo is set to boot to the swap partition |
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| 06:31.11 | foxcokk | i saw someone doing something in debian and he type like half of a word and pressed a key and it finished the word/command for him. anyone have any idea what this was? |
| 06:31.22 | fpmc | thoreauputic: ic |
| 06:31.28 | maher | foxcokk: tab completion |
| 06:31.36 | sijis | hit tab key |
| 06:31.39 | keta | morning all |
| 06:31.39 | dan2 | how do I make my network modules debug |
| 06:31.55 | ki4cgp | maher, you were right, I see no lilo.conf. I'll have to install them |
| 06:32.29 | jm_ | grizzlybear: use less -r |
| 06:32.30 | maher | ki4cgp: cp the lilo.conf from the other partition and edit that... |
| 06:32.49 | jm_ | grizzlybear: and it also helps if you use --color=always when piping to commands |
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| 06:32.54 | nickv111 | Hello |
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| 06:33.17 | nickv111 | I just today installed debian testing on my iBook |
| 06:33.21 | nickv111 | And I like it |
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| 06:33.35 | nickv111 | But I am having trouble configuring X |
| 06:33.36 | BugSleep | sarge? |
| 06:33.40 | nickv111 | Yes, sarge |
| 06:33.48 | foxcokk | sarge is testing right? |
| 06:33.53 | BugSleep | yeah |
| 06:33.58 | ki4cgp | maher: wow, this lilo.conf is "xandros"ed out. working on it |
| 06:34.03 | BugSleep | nickv111: i'm new but will try to help |
| 06:34.34 | nickv111 | BugSleep: Yeah man |
| 06:34.39 | nickv111 | BugSleep: Don't even bother with woody |
| 06:34.44 | nickv111 | BugSleep: Sarge all the way |
| 06:34.47 | nickv111 | :D |
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| 06:34.55 | nickv111 | All the packages in woody are ancient |
| 06:35.01 | LucidVisionS | Is anyone here who is running deb/unstable and is current having nautilus seg faulting? |
| 06:35.10 | nickv111 | Anyway |
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| 06:35.24 | Tezkah | LucidVisionS, haven't seen anything like that |
| 06:35.36 | thoreauputic | !tell nickv111 about set up x |
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| 06:36.05 | Tezkah | Ttell LucidVisionS about polls |
| 06:36.08 | Tezkah | err |
| 06:36.08 | deadcat | anyone know how to use/config devilspie? its killing me |
| 06:36.12 | Tezkah | !tell LucidVisionS about polls |
| 06:36.16 | nickv111 | Uh oh |
| 06:36.21 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 06:36.23 | nickv111 | I didn't say no to framebuffer |
| 06:36.26 | nickv111 | Which might be why it dies |
| 06:36.26 | LucidVisionS | polls? |
| 06:36.42 | fpmc | does knoppix run debian as a back-end? |
| 06:36.48 | BugSleep | yep |
| 06:36.57 | maher | fpmc: no knoppix is a derivative of debian |
| 06:36.58 | gravity | fpmc: Knoppix is a Debian derivative |
| 06:37.00 | SlayerXP | fpmc: no, it runs knoppix, hence it's called "knoppix" and not "debian" |
| 06:37.00 | grizzlybear | jm_, 'ls -l --color|less -r' is good but do you mean 'ls -l --color=alway|less' ? |
| 06:37.01 | Tezkah | knoppix is based on debian |
| 06:37.09 | BugSleep | i'm running sarge on my laptop and i can't fault it |
| 06:37.11 | gravity | And yet, it's not Debian |
| 06:37.17 | BugSleep | pity sound doesn;t work |
| 06:37.21 | LucidVisionS | really,,,humm |
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| 06:37.26 | LucidVisionS | odd |
| 06:37.28 | SlayerXP | so, you _can_ fault it? |
| 06:37.29 | grizzlybear | jm_, forgot the always the S |
| 06:37.30 | fpmc | SlayerXP: I know that... just wondering whether it came out from Debian and so the big "Debian != Knoppix" sign above |
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| 06:38.07 | Tezkah | LucidVisionS, google returns something about "If the package xfonts-scalable is not installed nautilus will segfault" |
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| 06:38.11 | Tezkah | but thats in 2003 |
| 06:38.21 | crickenshed | How do you take a screen shot? |
| 06:38.36 | streuner | crickenshed: /msg dpkg ss |
| 06:38.36 | Tezkah | crickenshed, gnome has a menu item for that :) |
| 06:38.50 | LucidVisionS | cool,,,thanks tezkah,,i should have done a quick bit of google action,, |
| 06:38.51 | streuner | !screenshot |
| 06:38.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 06:38.53 | LucidVisionS | thanks |
| 06:39.07 | Tezkah | LucidVisionS, yeah, good luck |
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| 06:39.55 | grizzlybear | correction jm_, 'ls -l --color|less -r' is good but do you mean 'ls -l --color=always|less' ? |
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| 06:40.11 | Mahdi | how the hell can sound stop working for my tv grabber only by dist-upgrading? =/ sound everywhere else is fine! Only the mic seems to be very low |
| 06:40.20 | streuner | dpkg, screenshot is screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 06:40.20 | dpkg | streuner: what are you talking about? |
| 06:40.21 | Tezkah | aha, I have hacked into this weird person on my network... "127.0.0.1".. thought he could fool me... but all the passwords are the same, so now I'm in his box! |
| 06:40.26 | BugSleep | any way in nautilous to have an address bar? |
| 06:40.34 | Tezkah | BugSleep, yes |
| 06:40.36 | fpmc | Does AMD64 runs on the ia64 architechture? |
| 06:40.40 | streuner | dpkg, ss is screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd |
| 06:40.41 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 06:40.42 | Tezkah | it involves always browsing the filesystem |
| 06:40.48 | maher | fpmc: no |
| 06:40.50 | Tezkah | fpmc, no, it runs on the AMD64 architecture |
| 06:40.53 | Mahdi | i'm almost kicking my box >=/ |
| 06:40.57 | BugSleep | Tezkah: where can i enable it |
| 06:41.10 | d0ugie | 64 bit cpus .. worth the cash yet? |
| 06:41.11 | Tezkah | BugSleep, its a gconf thing... lemme find it |
| 06:41.13 | nickv111 | Hmm |
| 06:41.15 | nickv111 | It's weird |
| 06:41.18 | nickv111 | No matter what I do |
| 06:41.19 | BugSleep | Tezkah: thanks |
| 06:41.31 | nickv111 | All of the sudden startx just says it's shutting the X server down |
| 06:41.35 | nickv111 | And it dies |
| 06:41.42 | fpmc | ok then what runs the ia64 architecture. Intel 64 bit machines? |
| 06:41.58 | streuner | nickv111: /var/log/XF86Config.log would tell you more |
| 06:42.00 | Tezkah | fpmc, yep |
| 06:42.01 | d0ugie | nickv111: is this a fresh install or is it suddenly screwing up? |
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| 06:42.13 | nickv111 | d0ugie: This is a fresh install |
| 06:42.19 | fpmc | Last question, Debian does not support AMD64 yet? |
| 06:42.36 | gravity | fpmc: Not officially, but there is a distro for it that appears to work well |
| 06:42.42 | gravity | fpmc: It's the topic of great debate actually |
| 06:42.44 | Tezkah | http://www.flevour.net/node/view/15 |
| 06:42.44 | maher | fpmc: amd64 is work in progress - its not in the main archive yet |
| 06:42.48 | Tezkah | happy reading BugSleep |
| 06:42.57 | nickv111 | It doesn't, streuner |
| 06:43.01 | fpmc | gravity: oh... debate between which groups? |
| 06:43.01 | nickv111 | ... |
| 06:43.05 | nickv111 | Wait |
| 06:43.07 | nickv111 | I have an idea |
| 06:43.08 | gravity | fpmc: People within Debian |
| 06:43.18 | streuner | !tell nickv111 about enter |
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| 06:43.24 | fpmc | gravity: oh... well good that I didn't buy the AMD64 laptop I saw... hehe |
| 06:43.24 | KoRn | any ideas |
| 06:43.25 | KoRn | ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111) |
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| 06:43.40 | maher | fpmc: i386 will run just fine on amd64 |
| 06:43.43 | nickv111 | IT WORKS! |
| 06:43.45 | nickv111 | YES! |
| 06:43.47 | nickv111 | ROCK ON! |
| 06:43.48 | nickv111 | WOO! |
| 06:43.50 | fpmc | maher: ah, ic. |
| 06:43.55 | Tezkah | fpmc, its great, but its not really necessary right now |
| 06:43.55 | KoRn | anyone know how to fixed this problem plz? |
| 06:44.07 | fpmc | !tell fpmc about enter |
| 06:44.07 | nickv111 | I was doing startkde & in .xinitrc / .xsession |
| 06:44.12 | nickv111 | Rather than startkde |
| 06:44.18 | nickv111 | Go me |
| 06:44.22 | nickv111 | Yeah! |
| 06:44.26 | Tezkah | like having a superfast graphics card without drivers and games to really utilize it |
| 06:44.28 | crickenshed | scrot. |
| 06:44.32 | KoRn | ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111) |
| 06:44.33 | KoRn | anyone know how to fixed this problem plz? |
| 06:44.35 | nickv111 | I finally have kde on linux on my iBook! |
| 06:44.36 | crickenshed | me loves scrot. |
| 06:44.39 | nickv111 | This rules |
| 06:44.48 | cafuego | KoRn: start the mysql server |
| 06:44.56 | crickenshed | Thats bad. |
| 06:44.59 | fpmc | nickv111: ok calm down... congrat |
| 06:45.01 | Tezkah | nickv111, ok... just calm down... your enter key is taking a beating! |
| 06:45.01 | KoRn | cafuego, how? |
| 06:45.02 | ferret | nickv111: You've been told not to do that, so why are you still doing it? |
| 06:45.06 | gravity | fpmc: /msg dpkg foo |
| 06:45.07 | SlayerXP | KoRn: by reading the docs |
| 06:45.09 | cafuego | !lart KoRn |
| 06:45.11 | crickenshed | That will be priceless for most of the rest of you. |
| 06:45.13 | d0ugie | nickv111: first timer w/ deb? |
| 06:45.17 | crickenshed | scrot needs a new name. |
| 06:45.19 | sijis | maher so, what's the debate, why create a new arch for the 64bit chip? |
| 06:45.20 | nickv111 | d0ugie: Yes |
| 06:45.24 | nickv111 | d0ugie: And I LOVE it |
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| 06:45.30 | KoRn | grr |
| 06:45.33 | nickv111 | d0ugie: It kicks the crap out of gentoo, IMHO |
| 06:45.37 | ferret | crickenshed: So does xrandr, tbh. |
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| 06:45.41 | cafuego | !info dovecot stable |
| 06:45.42 | Tezkah | BugSleep, in case you missed that URL, http://www.flevour.net/node/view/15 |
| 06:45.42 | maher | sijis: amd64 bit binaries are different from x86 32 bit binaries |
| 06:45.44 | Tezkah | er |
| 06:45.45 | nickv111 | gentoo takes too longh |
| 06:45.47 | nickv111 | long* |
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| 06:45.55 | fpmc | gravity: thanks |
| 06:46.10 | ferret | nickv111: Well, we can all see you're a patient guy. |
| 06:46.11 | nickv111 | BRB |
| 06:46.11 | d0ugie | nickv111: How long did it take you from the beginning of the installation to get x booting? |
| 06:46.22 | fpmc | To transfer to amd64, does that mean that most applications have to be ported? or just the kernel? |
| 06:46.22 | nickv111 | d0ugie: Not very long at all |
| 06:46.27 | nickv111 | d0ugie: 5 hours |
| 06:46.34 | Tezkah | fpmc, kernel and applications must be |
| 06:46.36 | d0ugie | nickv111 you mean under 65 hours?? |
| 06:46.36 | gravity | fpmc: Most all of them have been ported |
| 06:46.40 | maher | fpmc: most apps just need a recompile probably |
| 06:46.45 | Tezkah | in order to have 64bit support |
| 06:46.45 | KoRn | cafuego, can u tel me how to do it plz |
| 06:46.47 | fpmc | gravity: ic ic |
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| 06:46.49 | Tezkah | but it can run 32bit stuff |
| 06:46.51 | KoRn | /etc/initd./mysql restart like that? |
| 06:46.52 | maher | fpmc: the hard work is gcc / libc |
| 06:47.01 | fpmc | maher: yup I can imagine |
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| 06:47.02 | nickv111 | d0ugie: Compared to with gentoo... Which was about an eternity, three weeks and a day |
| 06:47.08 | nickv111 | BRB |
| 06:47.10 | taoub | can i mount ftp somehow???? |
| 06:47.13 | Tezkah | hahaha |
| 06:47.16 | ferret | Three weeks!? |
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| 06:47.22 | KoRn | taoub, apt-get install ftpd |
| 06:47.23 | ferret | hehehe |
| 06:47.25 | d0ugie | spending a few all nighters in a row to get x booting, while a pain in the ass, can be satisfying... eventually. That is, before your eyes explode and/or you go completely psychotic |
| 06:47.32 | taoub | KoRn, ??? |
| 06:47.35 | gravity | Wow... three weeks? I haven't heard of it taking that long for anyone since... well, ever |
| 06:47.40 | cafuego | !info dovecot sarge |
| 06:47.42 | taoub | KoRn, ??? i mean mount ftp folder to local dir |
| 06:47.45 | gravity | Even my first installs back in '99 were faster than that |
| 06:47.47 | fpmc | d0ugie: haha I understand |
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| 06:47.52 | Tezkah | gravity, using gentoo? :P |
| 06:47.55 | dpkg | dovecot: (A dummy package for upgrades to dovecot IMAP and POP3 servers), section mail, is optional. Version: 0.99.10.7-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 06:47.55 | tralala | i'm trying to build a 2.6.7 kernel on a debian stable box, but it seems that I have problems related to depmod. Have googled and found that it needs a version of module-init-tools, whereas only modutils is available in stable. How should I go resolve this? |
| 06:48.07 | maher | taoub: ftpfs |
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| 06:48.11 | gravity | Tezkah: keep that thing away from me :-) |
| 06:48.19 | fpmc | problem with debian is always the relatively more complicated installation. After that, "apt-get" beats all!!! |
| 06:48.22 | jm_ | tralala: /msg dpkg 2.6 bunk |
| 06:48.25 | d0ugie | tralala, any compelling reason to go beyond 2.4? |
| 06:48.27 | maher | tralala: do you know about bunk's backports? |
| 06:48.37 | gravity | fpmc: Have you tried the new installer? It's way less complicated. |
| 06:48.37 | taoub | maher, how? just mount -t ftpfs ...? |
| 06:48.52 | tralala | dpkg asks if i'm smoking crack :) |
| 06:48.52 | dpkg | tralala: i haven't a clue |
| 06:49.10 | tralala | err, where are the backports? |
| 06:49.19 | maher | taoub: you could try that - you'll need the ftps module for you kernel... |
| 06:49.22 | fpmc | gravity: actually I have, just yesterday. I haven't completed but I'm amazed at it I must say |
| 06:49.26 | taoub | ok |
| 06:49.36 | gravity | fpmc: Good to hear |
| 06:49.51 | fpmc | d0ugie: http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ <-- tells you great reasons why go to 2.6 |
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| 06:49.58 | nickv111 | Yay! |
| 06:50.07 | Tezkah | nickv111, so you took three weeks installing gentoo? |
| 06:50.07 | ferret | !confuse simonrvn |
| 06:50.08 | dpkg | yes, them is your snake today, simonrvn? by order of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra cream |
| 06:50.11 | nickv111 | xchat with kde and broken sound! |
| 06:50.18 | fpmc | d0ugie: 2.6 beats all the other ones by a good margin |
| 06:50.23 | jm_ | tralala: /msg dpkg bunk 2.6 |
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| 06:50.31 | nickv111 | Tezkah: Not that long, but that's what it seemed like... And I never got X working |
| 06:50.43 | nickv111 | I just gave up and started with woody, which sucked |
| 06:50.46 | tralala | ah, ok |
| 06:50.47 | nickv111 | So I tried Sarge |
| 06:50.50 | nickv111 | Which rocks |
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| 06:51.22 | tralala | would it be similar if i used module-init-tools from backports.org? |
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| 06:52.16 | fpmc | what's the different between woody and sarge if I upgraded everything to unstable and re-compiled a 2.6 kernel? |
| 06:52.34 | simonrvn | unstable is sid |
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| 06:52.47 | d0ugie | you website people seeing firefox showing up more and more on your logs? |
| 06:52.54 | Tezkah | sid is a nice boy to me |
| 06:53.03 | Tezkah | I bet he'll break my toys sometime... but I hope not anytime soon |
| 06:53.10 | cafuego | d0ugie: No, it's still all IE and Googlebot. |
| 06:53.22 | fpmc | simonrvn: ok so if I upgraded to unstable and made myself a 2.6 kernel then bascially I'm using SID? |
| 06:53.34 | LucidVisionS | yep |
| 06:53.53 | cafuego | fpmc: which kernel you're using has nothing to do with which debian version you're using. |
| 06:54.00 | ferret | "upgraded to unstable" = "using sid" |
| 06:54.17 | sijis | then what is sarge? |
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| 06:54.23 | cafuego | sijis: testing |
| 06:54.26 | Tezkah | sarge is "testing" right now |
| 06:54.26 | LucidVisionS | sarge is testing |
| 06:54.32 | Tezkah | it'll be frozen and become "stable" sometime... |
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| 06:54.43 | fpmc | cafuego: ok, so version only deals with packages's stage eh? |
| 06:54.57 | sijis | so the order is.. unstable -> testing -> stable ? |
| 06:55.02 | cafuego | fpmc: Your question cannot be parsed |
| 06:55.15 | fpmc | cafuego: ok whatever :[ |
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| 06:55.31 | d0ugie | anyone in NYC got a good ISP with liberal policies and good prices, with some form of broadband providing you with a static IP to use however the hell you want? cloud9.net i heard is good.. |
| 06:55.51 | nickv111 | Hmm |
| 06:56.01 | nickv111 | If I could just find out my sound card I would be in business |
| 06:56.03 | nickv111 | :D |
| 06:56.07 | tralala | is it better to go with backports.org or with bunk? |
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| 06:56.21 | nickv111 | cat /proc/pci didn't turn up anything that I thought was a soundcard |
| 06:56.32 | Tezkah | sijis, packages in unstable eventually go into testing |
| 06:56.35 | d0ugie | did you do some autoprobing? |
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| 06:56.44 | Tezkah | but unstable is constantly changing, and wont ever be frozen in time |
| 06:57.08 | simonrvn | fpmc: sid is not an acronym. and yes |
| 06:57.10 | nickv111 | d0ugie: Not sure how to do that |
| 06:57.12 | mlawrence_ | nickv111: maybe it's a mixed modem/sound card |
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| 06:57.18 | sijis | Tezkah so when does an unstable pkg ever get to stable? |
| 06:57.35 | thoreauputic | nickv111: lspci |
| 06:57.40 | thoreauputic | might help |
| 06:57.44 | cafuego | sijis: it doesn't. |
| 06:57.58 | nickv111 | d0ugie: I just started using linux on my iBook a while ago. Although I am not a n00b, I am not a guru |
| 06:58.02 | cafuego | sijis: it goes into testing and stays there until THAT becomes stable. |
| 06:58.06 | sijis | so how did (does) woody become stable? |
| 06:58.09 | fpmc | simonrvn: thanks |
| 06:58.12 | nickv111 | I have, however, been using Xebian ( debian for xbox ) for a while |
| 06:58.36 | Tezkah | sijis, it moves over to testing |
| 06:58.41 | Tezkah | and when that gets frozen, it'll be there |
| 06:58.49 | maher | !linux on xbox |
| 06:58.49 | dpkg | hmm... linux on xbox is http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-06-30&res=l |
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| 06:58.52 | dondelelcaro | sijis: it doesn't. Ever. |
| 06:59.28 | nickv111 | thoreauputic: Nope, nothing new |
| 06:59.43 | nickv111 | thoreauputic: May I pm you the results, or should I paste them in #flood? |
| 06:59.46 | mlawrence_ | nickv111: i put mine in my car (got the idea off the net), and put a wireless 11b nic so i can transfer files while it's in the garage |
| 06:59.57 | nickv111 | lol |
| 07:00.00 | nickv111 | That's sweet |
| 07:00.12 | nickv111 | Sarge is awesome |
| 07:00.17 | nickv111 | It's not lame like woody |
| 07:00.24 | d0ugie | Here, here |
| 07:00.46 | sijis | let me get this straight. so it becomes stable when 'testing' has been stabilized? |
| 07:00.55 | Tezkah | sijis, yes, when testing is ready |
| 07:00.58 | mlawrence_ | woody=server,sarge=desktop,unstable=developer/tester |
| 07:00.58 | Tezkah | it gets frozen |
| 07:01.00 | sijis | Tezkah what do you mean by 'frozen in time'? |
| 07:01.01 | Tezkah | and that becomes the new stable |
| 07:01.12 | Tezkah | sijis, nothing happens to stable, except for security updates |
| 07:01.14 | nickv111 | Sounds pretty simple to me |
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| 07:01.26 | Tezkah | so woody right now is the same as woody when it was first put into stable |
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| 07:01.41 | nickv111 | unstable gets frozen, then that becomes tesing |
| 07:01.50 | Tezkah | not quite |
| 07:01.53 | Tezkah | unstable is always unstable |
| 07:02.03 | nickv111 | I believe only security updates hit woody |
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| 07:02.13 | MerlinCorey | hahaha... |
| 07:02.14 | Tezkah | I dont know if testing comes from it, or is just a continuation of the old testing when the old testing is frozen |
| 07:02.16 | Tezkah | :S |
| 07:02.23 | MerlinCorey | today, I downloaded the latest version of the installer... |
| 07:02.26 | deadcat | nickv111: unstable bet security updates as well. only testing dont |
| 07:02.32 | MerlinCorey | it looped on configuring network... |
| 07:02.32 | MerlinCorey | :p |
| 07:02.36 | MerlinCorey | endlessly... |
| 07:02.44 | nickv111 | Oh |
| 07:02.53 | simonrvn | Tezkah: well, not quite as it was when it got frozen back in 2002, but mostly so yes |
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| 07:03.26 | nickv111 | Any other ways I might be able to find my soundcard? |
| 07:03.34 | nickv111 | If I could get all this to work tonight, I would love it |
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| 07:03.42 | SlayerXP | nickv111: try looking behind the fridge. |
| 07:03.48 | simonrvn | hm, suspicious, same ip, and 2 different TTLs |
| 07:03.51 | Tezkah | simonrvn, so did sarge come woody when it was frozen, or did it come from unstable? |
| 07:03.53 | SlayerXP | I'm _always_ losing stuff there. |
| 07:04.07 | nickv111 | SlayerXP: Nope, not there... I'll try the couch |
| 07:04.09 | jm_ | SlayerXP: got the car ? |
| 07:04.24 | Tezkah | SlayerXP, try pinging it? |
| 07:04.26 | mlawrence_ | if i was running sarge, can't i just get security updates from sid? |
| 07:04.33 | karsten | Who's at defcon? |
| 07:04.44 | karsten | |
| 07:04.51 | SlayerXP | jm: yes, it's rather jolly. |
| 07:04.59 | SlayerXP | jm_: i think I like CVT. |
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| 07:05.08 | jm_ | SlayerXP: isn't it too slow ? |
| 07:05.21 | SlayerXP | jm_: it's surprisingly nippy. |
| 07:05.33 | jm_ | SlayerXP: nice, how much extra does it cost ? |
| 07:05.52 | SlayerXP | jm_: you press the "Go Faster" button, the engine almost instantly rises to 5500rpm and stays there until either you let go or 105mph |
| 07:05.53 | deadcat | karsten: ah. you mean Michael Who is there? (= |
| 07:06.00 | SlayerXP | jm: 1000ukp |
| 07:06.00 | LucidVisionS | mlawrence, you can but that is not ideal |
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| 07:06.30 | LucidVisionS | why are you thinking of going that route for youre security updates? |
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| 07:06.38 | SlayerXP | jm: standing still to 105mph doesn't take much more than about 30 seconds |
| 07:06.45 | jm_ | SlayerXP: ahh so it has different modes, that should help, but the price is quite high - I guess it will get cheaper if more people will buy it |
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| 07:07.02 | simonrvn | Tezkah: unstable stuff -> testing. testing *becomes* stable when frozen. stable doesn't get new stuff. i've seen very few changes (not including security) |
| 07:07.04 | jm_ | SlayerXP: I thought you're not supposed to push it untill 600 miles ;) |
| 07:07.22 | SlayerXP | jm_: I was just checking it works :) |
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| 07:07.59 | Tezkah | simonrvn, ah, I thought that testing was like a continuation of the old testing when it got frozen |
| 07:08.07 | mlawrence_ | LucidVisionS: woody is outdated, sid is more maintenace, testing is balance |
| 07:08.29 | Tezkah | sid has new gaim though... :) |
| 07:08.51 | d0ugie | the video confing gaim? |
| 07:08.53 | simonrvn | Tezkah: this is pretty recent though, this stup. only changed with curent stable. before it was something different (that i can't remember now) |
| 07:08.57 | trogger | any fglrx users out there? |
| 07:09.09 | simonrvn | Tezkah: s/stup/setup/ |
| 07:09.27 | d0ugie | err phonegaim |
| 07:09.28 | LucidVisionS | true,but as far as security updates, it was my impression that its not good to go anything but stable for them? |
| 07:09.47 | Tezkah | LucidVisionS, for a production server, stable is the best bet |
| 07:10.09 | Tezkah | obviously "Stable", but also gets the security updates. |
| 07:10.29 | mlawrence_ | Tezkah: ya, especially if your job depends on it :) |
| 07:10.29 | simonrvn | a lot of people rely on stable being stable |
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| 07:11.34 | d0ugie | all i'm saying is unstable is not nearly as unstable as the name implies. By these standards, MSWin* should be called Fubar |
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| 07:11.40 | SlayerXP | I like people who whine about unstable |
| 07:11.47 | keta | simonrvn: well it's stable, relying on its security is worse :) |
| 07:11.48 | simonrvn | you do? |
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| 07:11.53 | SlayerXP | "which part of 'unstable' didn't you understand?" |
| 07:12.08 | SlayerXP | simonrvn: in an "easy mock target" kind of way |
| 07:12.11 | mlawrence_ | d0ugie: lol, ya, longhorn would be in cvs |
| 07:12.18 | simonrvn | *sigh* yes |
| 07:12.24 | d0ugie | "If you're asking any questions here about unstable, you should not be running unstable." |
| 07:12.38 | simonrvn | mlawrence_: i've seen cvs code more stable than that crap |
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| 07:13.05 | Tezkah | heh |
| 07:13.08 | d0ugie | "d0ugie by installing sid you have created a threat to the entire world" |
| 07:13.18 | Tezkah | "yeah, debian unstable installed XFCE4.05" |
| 07:13.27 | Tezkah | "yeah... thats the stable version of XFCE..." |
| 07:13.53 | LucidVisionS | dougie that is some serious bull*hit,asking questions is paramount |
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| 07:14.19 | LucidVisionS | some people learn by asking questions mang |
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| 07:14.27 | kuru | if I were to have a cron job that runs once every 2 minutes.. would I do: |
| 07:14.38 | SlayerXP | LucidVisionS: not when the questions are along the lines of "I upraded to unstable and mysql doesn't work!! HELP!!!!!" |
| 07:14.40 | kuru | 2/* * * * * somescripttorun |
| 07:14.54 | SlayerXP | kuru: other way round |
| 07:15.02 | d0ugie | one thing we all should shoot for is falling asleep right in that tight window during which the amphetamines wear off just enough to fall asleep but not too much to the point that your hunger keeps you from sleeping. |
| 07:15.05 | simonrvn | */2 not 2/* |
| 07:15.19 | LucidVisionS | well,,,i suppose youre right |
| 07:15.21 | LucidVisionS | lol |
| 07:15.25 | SlayerXP | !lol |
| 07:15.25 | dpkg | from memory, lol is Lamer on Line, or Lamer on Loan [from AOL] |
| 07:15.31 | d0ugie | Enter the benzos. |
| 07:15.47 | kuru | ah |
| 07:15.48 | kuru | funky |
| 07:15.49 | LucidVisionS | laugh out loud=lol |
| 07:15.54 | helix | what in the |
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| 07:16.07 | simonrvn | ...fucking hell |
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| 07:16.17 | imka | hey |
| 07:16.21 | cafuego | !lolol LucidVisionS |
| 07:16.25 | SlayerXP | no, lol = "I'm a 13 year old moron who thinks IRC is SMS" |
| 07:16.36 | ebcdic | lmao |
| 07:16.37 | imka | i got alsa installed, alsamixer working, but i got no sound |
| 07:16.39 | streuner | hehe |
| 07:16.40 | ebcdic | that's really sad |
| 07:16.40 | d0ugie | hey, this "5x speed" netzero dialup marketing and similiar things... is that just basically the old proxy web serving that compresses the graphics beyond all recognition and calling it five times faster? |
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| 07:16.58 | LucidVisionS | ok,,then what is the proper abriviated phrase? |
| 07:17.05 | simonrvn | hahahahahahhahahahhahahahahaha |
| 07:17.08 | cafuego | LucidVisionS: haha |
| 07:17.09 | SlayerXP | LucidVisionS: try "/me laughs" |
| 07:17.19 | mlawrence_ | imka: alsaconf |
| 07:17.27 | imka | let's see |
| 07:17.45 | SlayerXP | !lose LucidVisionS |
| 07:17.45 | cafuego | !dict caffeine |
| 07:17.46 | dpkg | LucidVisionS: You Lose. |
| 07:17.48 | dpkg | Dictionary 'caffeine' a bitter alkaloid found in coffee and tea that is responsible for their stimulating effects |
| 07:17.49 | d0ugie | cocaine versus dextroamphetamine ... Discuss. |
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| 07:18.15 | dondelelcaro | d0ugie: do you have anything remotely related to #debian to discuss? |
| 07:18.38 | d0ugie | hang on i'm thinking |
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| 07:19.01 | imka | mlawrence_ xmms doesnt start playing the file, even if it's set to alsa output |
| 07:19.12 | gravity | mmm... drug binge 'n purge |
| 07:19.25 | imka | i might have to reinstall it now... |
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| 07:19.35 | d0ugie | one who is manic is never on any topic to begin with, at least not for more than a 4 second stretch |
| 07:20.07 | Tezkah | hmm |
| 07:20.22 | cafuego | blaaaaaaaaaaargh |
| 07:20.36 | mlawrence_ | imka: are you trying to play an mp3 in xmms? if so, make sure you've got mp3 libs installed in debian |
| 07:20.54 | shagor | debian-woody net install minimal CD uses 2.2 kernel, ext2 file system. Anybody knows how to install 2.4 with ext3 file system. |
| 07:21.10 | Tezkah | shagor, use the sarge netinstall? |
| 07:21.11 | d0ugie | Tezkah: remember to save that script, you could make some cash money .. call it "Windows Update, but for Debian" |
| 07:21.11 | dondelelcaro | shagor: just install 2.4 and use tune2fs |
| 07:21.13 | imka | ok thanks i'll look into that too. finally some1 nice in the debian channel |
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| 07:21.23 | gravity | mp3 libs...? This ain't redhat |
| 07:21.45 | dondelelcaro | yeah, afaik, xmms does mp3 right out of the box. |
| 07:21.56 | Tezkah | heh, except on fedora |
| 07:21.56 | dondelelcaro | but you can always use mpg321 if you're uncertain... |
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| 07:22.10 | mlawrence_ | shagor: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 07:22.37 | d0ugie | has any progress been made with animated pngs |
| 07:22.37 | shagor | Tezkah: sarge is not stable release. |
| 07:22.53 | gravity | yet |
