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| 00:00.12 | Guerin | jivera: you're using gnome, and you're concerned about EPIPHANY wating disk space?? |
| 00:00.13 | compubomb | can someone tell me what the freak is going on here pls http://rafb.net/paste/results/kW4OFB88.html |
| 00:00.16 | mrwill | jivera: you're making a mountain out of a molehill here, how big is epiphany? |
| 00:00.17 | Piru | hmph, unstable cron is b0rked |
| 00:00.21 | compubomb | i'm really confused |
| 00:00.32 | Piru | 261897 or so |
| 00:00.39 | compubomb | notice how it says |
| 00:00.40 | jivera | Guerin: Disk space isn't the only issue -- I have to upgrade it. |
| 00:00.45 | compubomb | unknown / file system |
| 00:01.49 | Guerin | jivera: this is what happens when you choose to use a bloated de with a million interdependencies instead of a window manager and the specific apps you choose |
| 00:01.51 | jivera | And epiphany isn't the only app I don't want -- there are plenty of others one. |
| 00:01.52 | jivera | s |
| 00:01.56 | trashmatic | mrwill: ehh... what kind of configuration? sorry, i've googled my ass off but i can't find anything |
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| 00:02.15 | mrwill | trashmatic: first, can you see the interface with ifconfig? |
| 00:02.37 | JDahl | jivera: alot of things for gnome including depencies changed recently anyway.. maybe some of dependencies will be resolved by a dist-upgrade |
| 00:02.39 | trashmatic | nope... just lo and eth0, my regular net card |
| 00:02.41 | mrwill | trashmatic: if you can, set it up in /etc/network/interfaces last time I did this. |
| 00:02.41 | karnaugh | trashmatic: when in doubt, try it |
| 00:02.54 | karnaugh | if it explodes, blame mrwill |
| 00:02.54 | mrwill | trashmatic: what about ifconfig |
| 00:02.59 | mrwill | trashmatic: what about ifconfig -a |
| 00:02.59 | jivera | JDahl: No, a dist-upgrade just tries to install more kde stuff which I already went through the trouble of removing. |
| 00:03.21 | trashmatic | mrwill: it doesnt show up there either |
| 00:03.59 | mrwill | trashmatic: did the module insert successfully? |
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| 00:04.42 | JDahl | jivera: but if you're using gnome I would recommend the upgrade anyhow... gnome will probably be partly broken unless you dist-upgrade |
| 00:04.54 | jivera | JDahl: I just dist-upgraded earlier today... |
| 00:05.01 | JDahl | jivera: ok... |
| 00:05.09 | jivera | I'm trying to remove all the stupid packages that came with it. |
| 00:05.40 | trashmatic | mrwill: seems like it. it gives no errors, and all that shows up in dmesg are version strings for orinoco.c, and orinoco_cs.c |
| 00:05.58 | mrwill | trashmatic: try looking for it with lsmod |
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| 00:06.25 | trashmatic | mrwill: yes, it's there |
| 00:06.35 | blits | hey guys, need some help with ADSL. this setup was working for months and recently starteed playing up. Linux does auth through an ADSL modem. problem: it keeps getting kicked off (tries to reconnect every 1min) band ends up coming back online around half an hour after getting kickeed off. No settings have changeed on the server and the SYNC light does NOT go off at any time. What could the problem be? |
| 00:06.50 | mrwill | trashmatic: well, this is a shot in the dark, but you could try ifconfig eth1 up |
| 00:06.51 | jivera | I figured it out. |
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| 00:07.09 | trashmatic | mrwill: no such device :/ |
| 00:07.11 | karnaugh | blits: what kind of auth? |
| 00:07.17 | karnaugh | blits: pppoe? |
| 00:07.22 | blits | yes |
| 00:07.46 | PereNoel | what is the number in cfdisk for a reiserfs partition? |
| 00:07.54 | karnaugh | blits: what do the logs say? |
| 00:07.55 | mrwill | trashmatic: I'm not sure what is wrong. Interface should appear, but didn't. Perhaps a different driver is in order? |
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| 00:08.02 | trashmatic | ehh, i'm gonna add it to /etc/modules and reboot, see if that helps |
| 00:08.09 | blits | no PADO |
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| 00:08.12 | mrwill | !reboot |
| 00:08.12 | dpkg | Unlike many proprietary operating systems, GNU/Linux almost never requires a reboot to change something. Most changes take effect immediately; occasionally, you may need to log out and log back in, or restart a particular service. However, unless you are changing kernels or hardware, you should not need to reboot. |
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| 00:08.20 | blits | now does that mean my modem's rooted? |
| 00:08.26 | mrwill | trashmatic: disagree with reboot.... |
| 00:08.33 | DigitalWizard | hey guys, when i boot linux on my laptop, the screen doesnt go all the way to the edge, theres like a 2 inch space all the way around the screen, what file should i check to fix this? |
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| 00:08.41 | karnaugh | blits: power cycled the modem? |
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| 00:08.48 | blits | abount 900 times |
| 00:08.53 | blits | bought a new modem |
| 00:08.54 | karnaugh | lol, figured |
| 00:08.56 | mrwill | DigitalWizard: is this at the console, or in Xfree86? |
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| 00:08.57 | blits | bought another new modem |
| 00:09.00 | karnaugh | blits: blame the ISP? |
| 00:09.01 | blits | bought a new server |
| 00:09.04 | sonew | is there something like linuxconf in debian (I am following a book here...) |
| 00:09.05 | blits | recabled the building |
| 00:09.07 | DigitalWizard | mrwill: console |
| 00:09.08 | blits | next.... |
| 00:09.20 | karnaugh | blits: have you blamed the ISP yet? |
| 00:09.22 | blits | the isp is Telstra, they're useless |
| 00:09.23 | Guerin | sonew: wtf does linuxconf do? |
| 00:09.30 | karnaugh | blits: that should be step 1 |
| 00:09.31 | mrwill | DigitalWizard: did you compile your own kernel? |
| 00:09.34 | blits | they're going to charge me $450 to come and 'fix it' |
| 00:09.41 | karnaugh | bloody hell |
| 00:09.43 | blits | ISP = useless |
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| 00:09.46 | DigitalWizard | mrwill: nope |
| 00:09.50 | blits | I'm going to change soon |
| 00:09.55 | Guerin | blits: get another isp |
| 00:09.59 | sonew | Guerin: apparently you can pick what processes are started on boot up |
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| 00:10.06 | blits | that means my mail server's down for about a week |
| 00:10.08 | blits | that's serious |
| 00:10.12 | Guerin | sonew: ah. rcconf or update-rc.d |
| 00:10.18 | blits | at the moment I have my mail server running on dialup |
| 00:10.20 | mrwill | DigitalWizard: sounds like you need some kind of kernel support for your display card in your kernel. |
| 00:10.21 | karnaugh | blits: ahh true... move to offsite hosting? :P |
| 00:10.23 | blits | THAT's serious! |
| 00:10.27 | Guerin | blits: that sucks massively |
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| 00:10.29 | mrwill | DigitalWizard: what sort of graphics card is it? |
| 00:10.30 | blits | I am the offsite host! |
| 00:10.36 | DigitalWizard | mrwill: neomagic |
| 00:10.45 | DigitalWizard | mrwill: its a IBM Thinkpad 600E |
| 00:10.53 | mrwill | DigitalWizard: hang on a minute... |
| 00:10.57 | blits | is there some magic setting that I've missed? |
| 00:11.01 | DigitalWizard | mrwill: thanks |
| 00:11.17 | thomas_adam | drv: About my story... |
| 00:11.23 | karnaugh | blits: if its coming online eventualy then i'd blame the ISP's authentication or something |
| 00:11.25 | sonew | ta ta |
| 00:11.36 | blits | it times out, no PADO |
| 00:11.40 | blits | doesn't that come from the modem? |
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| 00:11.45 | karnaugh | this lame country only recently got ADSL so my experience there is very limited |
| 00:11.47 | Guerin | DigitalWizard: what screenmode can your monitor handle? |
| 00:12.08 | DigitalWizard | Guerin: not sure |
| 00:12.12 | k-man | anyone know of an open source CRM package thats any good? I'm looking for something like goldmine or Act! 2000 |
| 00:12.24 | Guerin | DigitalWizard: pass vga=789 for 800x600, or vga=791 for 1024x768 to the kernel at boot time |
| 00:12.45 | blits | doesn't that come from the modem? |
| 00:12.49 | blits | the PADO |
| 00:13.00 | blits | need to know, if it does I'll go get another modem |
| 00:13.02 | DigitalWizard | Guerin: cool, i'll try that next time i reboot :) thanks |
| 00:13.06 | blits | different brand |
| 00:13.25 | mrwill | DigitalWizard: oh, right... put it in your lilo.conf for permenance. |
| 00:13.45 | DigitalWizard | mrwill: and if i'm using grub, where would it go? |
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| 00:14.01 | mrwill | DigitalWizard: no idea, probably in the file you use to configure grub |
| 00:14.03 | mrwill | !grub |
| 00:14.03 | dpkg | somebody said grub was [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
| 00:14.03 | karnaugh | blits: you read french? |
| 00:14.04 | Guerin | DigitalWizard: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 00:14.06 | karnaugh | blits: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-french/2002/03/msg00025.html |
| 00:14.13 | blits | no |
| 00:14.24 | DigitalWizard | awesome, thanks mrwill and Guerin |
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| 00:14.44 | blits | what's in the post? |
| 00:15.24 | thomas_adam | blits: Dinner. |
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| 00:17.35 | karnaugh | blits: throw it into dictionary.com translator or something |
| 00:18.07 | karnaugh | people are so unresourcefull |
| 00:18.20 | lifeform | I installed a Debian kernel package (kernel-image-2.6.6-2-686) but on re-boot the system does not display the console (I am able to ssh to the machine) just a screen with gibberish. Any help on fising this problem would be great |
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| 00:18.48 | Guerin | lifeform: that sounds bad |
| 00:18.48 | simonrvn | !test |
| 00:18.48 | dpkg | No, simonrvn, you're not online any more. |
| 00:19.05 | mrwill | Guerin: got any more kernel arguments up your sleeve? |
| 00:19.44 | JDahl | lifeform: boot into your old kernel, or boot into runlevel 1? |
| 00:19.46 | Guerin | well, might be worth trying vga=ask, but I expect that ain't the problem |
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| 00:20.10 | sonew | Guerin: how do i start rcconf? |
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| 00:20.14 | Guerin | !info kernel-image-2.6-686 sarge |
| 00:20.25 | IndigloMouth | Anybody know where I can get libdvdcss2? |
| 00:20.27 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.6 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.7-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 36 kB |
| 00:20.29 | lifeform | JDahl: have booted my old kernel. Would like to get the 2.6 kernel working. I was told that using Deb kernel packages is better than compiling my own kernel (like I used to) |
| 00:20.32 | Guerin | sonew: you need to install it first |
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| 00:20.42 | sonew | good point |
| 00:20.55 | Guerin | lifeform: what branch of debian? |
| 00:20.56 | JDahl | lifeform: ok... I thought you had a rescuing problem |
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| 00:21.04 | lifeform | Guerin: sid |
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| 00:21.14 | Guerin | lifeform: install the latest 2.6.7 then |
| 00:21.16 | mrwill | IndigloMouth: I bet I know a search engine that could tell you the answer to that. |
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| 00:21.29 | karnaugh | !fubar |
| 00:21.29 | dpkg | somebody said fubar was Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition; it is a military term, or ask a fubar question, get a fubar answer. the failed unibus address register in a VAX |
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| 00:21.47 | IndigloMouth | mrwill, I've tried googling it, but I only get a bunch of .rpm's, which I've been warned against |
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| 00:22.08 | Guerin | !factingo dvdcss |
| 00:22.16 | lifeform | Guerin: ok will give that a shot. BTW the deb kernels seem to use a ram disk image. Any particular reason why ? I have never done so in the past (I did update lilo and set the initrd= variable) |
| 00:22.20 | Guerin | !listkeys dvdcss |
| 00:22.21 | JDahl | indiglomoth: www.apt-get.org? |
| 00:22.22 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dvdcss' by key returned no results. |
| 00:22.25 | mrwill | IndigloMouth: you don't want rpm's, that's for sure. |
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| 00:22.41 | Guerin | lifeform: they need initrd because they build almost everything as modules |
| 00:22.44 | IndigloMouth | JDahl, I didn't know it existed... I'll check it out |
| 00:22.47 | mrwill | IndigloMouth: I just built it from source, there is a tarball at the main distribution site for that. |
| 00:23.02 | Guerin | lifeform: in order to be super-compatible, like |
| 00:23.08 | Guerin | !listkeys css |
| 00:23.09 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'css' by key (11 shown): cssc ;; csstable in dns ;; xine css plugin ;; ericsson ;; xine css ;; xine-dvd-css ;; epocssh ;; libcss ;; decss song ;; css ;; decss. |
| 00:23.27 | Guerin | IndigloMouth: try some of those factoids, in /msg |
| 00:23.36 | lifeform | Guerin: why does building everything as modules require initrd? |
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| 00:24.11 | IndigloMouth | Guerin, ok... will do |
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| 00:24.25 | RichiH | find /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh' |
| 00:24.31 | RichiH | erm |
| 00:24.32 | RichiH | !find /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh' |
| 00:24.45 | bluefoxicy | debian doesn't have blackdown-jdk ? |
| 00:24.46 | Guerin | lifeform: if you build your root filesystem, your root disc interfaces and controllers, or other such fundamental stuff as modules, you need initrd. Since it's impractical to build ALL filesystems, disk adaptors and controllers into the kernel, debian builds them as modules |
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| 00:25.02 | RichiH | wow, dpkg tells me the search string is too fuzzy.. |
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| 00:25.07 | Guerin | !tell bluefoxicy about get-blackdown |
| 00:25.14 | RichiH | IndigloMouth: use apt-file to find that file and run it |
| 00:25.15 | lifeform | Guerin: thanks |
| 00:25.20 | idnar | !find /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
| 00:25.27 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh' returned no results. |
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| 00:25.39 | bluefoxicy | effective. |
| 00:25.46 | RichiH | oh, duh, ' .. ;) |
| 00:26.17 | IndigloMouth | RichiH, sweet, thanks... I think that's working |
| 00:26.22 | RichiH | :) |
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| 00:27.02 | phogg | Is there a guide anywhere to doing NAT with kernel 2.6? Or atl east something that will tell me what's new? |
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| 00:27.10 | Jayden | yo yo |
| 00:27.20 | Guerin | phogg: nothing much is new from 2.4 |
| 00:27.29 | EvilSeed | knoppix r0x0rs |
| 00:27.41 | Guerin | phogg: it's still iptables; if all you need to do is simple nat, apt-get install ipmasq should work fine |
| 00:27.41 | IndigloMouth | Grr... the script worked, but mplayer is still giving me the same error as before |
| 00:27.46 | phogg | Guerin: so my old iptables rules should Just keep Working? |
| 00:27.55 | EvilSeed | are there any other games like tuxkart tuxracer tuxpuck? |
| 00:27.58 | Guerin | phogg: yeah, they should |
| 00:28.08 | Guerin | phogg: mine did, but mine were very simple |
| 00:28.20 | phogg | Guerin: So are mine. Thanks a lot. |
| 00:28.25 | mrwill | IndigloMouth: what is the error? |
| 00:28.28 | Guerin | EvilSeed: apt-cache search games |
| 00:28.46 | IndigloMouth | libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO.\nCan't open VMG info! |
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| 00:29.29 | mrwill | IndigloMouth: maybe decss library was installed somewhere dynamic linker does not know to look for it? |
| 00:29.56 | karnaugh | smoothwalls rules break |
| 00:30.08 | karnaugh | when changing to 2.6 kernel |
| 00:30.11 | mrwill | IndigloMouth: like /usr/local something? |
| 00:30.15 | Guerin | karnaugh: that's not nice |
| 00:30.17 | IndigloMouth | mrwill, I guess that's a possibility... perhaps re-building mplayer would help? |
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| 00:30.26 | karnaugh | I think its all the nat-irc and nat-msn modules |
| 00:30.29 | mrwill | IndigloMouth: I was thinking perhaps ldconfig would help. |
| 00:30.42 | Guerin | IndigloMouth: that should be about your last resort |
| 00:30.56 | IndigloMouth | mrwill, I'm unfamiliar with ldconfig... what is it? |
| 00:31.00 | Guerin | !linux dvd |
| 00:31.07 | IndigloMouth | Guerin, yeah, I figured |
| 00:31.08 | Guerin | !linux dvds |
| 00:31.19 | Guerin | !listkeys dvd |
| 00:31.20 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dvd' by key (10 shown): dvd-linux ;; dvd-audio ;; dvd+rw ;; rip dvd ;; dvdripping ;; dvd cca ;; dvd ;; dvdrecord ;; xine-dvd-css ;; dvda. |
| 00:31.29 | Guerin | !dvd-linux |
| 00:31.29 | dpkg | dvd-linux is probably the linux-dvd howto is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DVD-HOWTO.html |
| 00:31.34 | Guerin | there we go |
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| 00:31.47 | mrwill | IndigloMouth: well, look at that howto first... |
| 00:31.59 | IndigloMouth | mrwill, will do |
| 00:31.59 | Agrajag- | hey all, im using testing and the latest apt-get update i did updated some kde stuff, now i only have a small number of (ugly) styles - what's happened to the normal kde styles? |
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| 00:32.03 | IndigloMouth | Guerin, thanks |
| 00:32.17 | Agrajag- | kdeartwork-style appears to be the same in test/unstable |
| 00:32.18 | Guerin | Agrajag-: ask #debian-kde |
| 00:32.18 | bluefoxicy | alright |
| 00:32.23 | bluefoxicy | almost got a workable test setup. |
| 00:32.25 | Agrajag- | Guerin: ta |
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| 00:36.44 | michal | ok.. it's pretty clear that the drive and bios are not the problem.. something to do with the linux kernel.. be it libata or whatever |
| 00:37.08 | michal | i'm getting something resembling normal file transffer TO the machine when i boot it under 2.4.x |
| 00:37.23 | michal | that's after making sure everything is kosher with hdparm |
| 00:37.23 | guyver | Anyone know how to make grub boot to a sata drive please? |
| 00:37.57 | Agrajag- | guyver: what's the problem? mine works fine without any changes to anything? |
| 00:38.12 | michal | Transferred 1 file totaling 1.95 GB in 03:34 (9,659.88 KBps) |
| 00:38.26 | michal | that's reassonable.. still not optimal but it is reasonable.. |
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| 00:38.34 | Agrajag- | guyver: i have root=/dev/sda1 |
| 00:38.38 | guyver | If I use root (hd0,0) it tries to boot the ide linux partition, my windows partition is sda1 |
| 00:38.42 | lifeform | Guerin: just installed kernel-image 2.6.7. Will reboot and give it a shot |
| 00:38.55 | cis | (XFree) I have 800x600 resolution, but largness of my desktop is 1024x768. How can I reduce largness of my desktop? |
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| 00:39.12 | michal | might try the default debian 2.6.7 :/ wish i could use that all the time |
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| 00:40.16 | JDahl | cis: reduce virtual desktop size in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
| 00:40.32 | cis | thx |
| 00:41.12 | michal | i don't understand why they don't enable the osd option for the SAA7146 in the debian kernel.. a LARGE porion of the people who have a SAA7146 want the OSD |
| 00:41.29 | michal | anyway.. time to reboot.. bbl |
| 00:42.25 | IndigloMouth | I'm following the instructions on the DVD HOWTO... and one of the commands failed. Unrecognized host. |
| 00:42.25 | ReVisions | 2.6.8-rc2-bk7 is out!!!! go compile!!!!!! |
| 00:42.25 | ReVisions | ;P |
| 00:42.26 | guyver | Agrajag: My linux partition is hd0 and that works great, my windows partition is sda1 and I have root (hd0,0) I am sure that this is wrong, but I don't know what it should be |
| 00:42.36 | JDahl | IndigloMouth: what are you trying to do - install mplayer? |
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| 00:43.09 | IndigloMouth | JDahl, no... trying to follow the HOWTO at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DVD-HOWTO-3.html |
| 00:43.26 | IndigloMouth | I already have mplayer installed... and it works with everything except dvds |
| 00:43.55 | cis | JDahl: I can't find virtual desktop section in xf86config-4 |
| 00:44.01 | nvz | how do I change what shell a user will use? |
| 00:44.05 | guyver | IndigloMouth: you got libdvdcss loaded? |
| 00:44.06 | mrwill | nvs: chsh |
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| 00:44.21 | mrwill | nvz: gotta be root to chsh for others |
| 00:44.27 | nvz | mrwill: I want a user to start a chrooted shell when they login |
| 00:44.45 | mrwill | nvz: ok, you gotta make a chroot with the shell in it, then. |
| 00:44.52 | IndigloMouth | guyver, yeah |
| 00:45.08 | IndigloMouth | A couple of times, even |
| 00:45.16 | nvz | mrwill: oh, I will have to add that to my jail then |
| 00:45.26 | guyver | Anyone know how to get grub to boot a partition on sda1 please? |
| 00:45.45 | nvz | mrwill: what do I do to setup so that when they ssh, they are in the jail though is the part I am missing |
| 00:45.48 | JDahl | cis: it's been years since I had to change the size of the virtual desktop, but somewhere in XF86Config-4 there will be line "1024x768" which is the size of your V.D. - just comment it out |
| 00:46.14 | mrwill | nvz: make their shell be a chroot command with arguments, I think... |
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| 00:46.31 | nvz | mrwill: yeah but I do that with chsh? |
| 00:46.52 | mrwill | nvz: chsh == change shell |
| 00:47.11 | mrwill | nvz: if it complains about the shell being invalid, could put command in /etc/shells |
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| 00:47.13 | cis | JDahl: ok. thx |
| 00:47.40 | nvz | mrwill: it says the user can change their own shell, but if the user is in a jail, they cant run chsh I guess |
| 00:47.56 | mrwill | nvz: not if chsh isn't in there :P |
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| 00:48.13 | scarynetworkguy | that and chsh is evil |
| 00:48.21 | michal | anyone here familair with linux 2.6.x kernel irq assignment voodoo? |
| 00:48.27 | IndigloMouth | Is there anybody else in here who plays DVDs with mplayer? |
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| 00:48.30 | mrwill | scarynetworkguy: why? |
| 00:48.39 | mrwill | scarynetworkguy: security? |
| 00:48.52 | rue_mohr | @find sml2-config |
| 00:49.02 | michal | seems the default debian 2.6.7 kernel doesn't have the problem i have been experiencing |
| 00:49.07 | scarynetworkguy | mrwill, yup http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ |
| 00:49.10 | JDahl | indoglomouth: how about reading dvd's, does that work? maybe ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/dvd could be worthwile trying |
| 00:49.24 | michal | but it DOES have something very weird in the irq assignments that my 2.6.7 didn't have |
| 00:49.46 | michal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:49.58 | michal | WTF is that? "Intel ICH5" |
| 00:50.10 | michal | that didn't exist in my kernel build.. but it does in the debian one |
| 00:50.18 | cafuego_ | michal: Your SATA controller |
| 00:50.19 | michal | it's not libata.. that has it's own irq |
| 00:50.19 | IndigloMouth | JDahl, a symlink like that already exists |
| 00:50.30 | michal | cafuego_: no.. it's not the sata controller.. |
| 00:50.42 | cafuego_ | michal: As far as I'm aware libata is being obsoleted in the 2.6 kernels. |
| 00:50.44 | michal | cafuego_: and if it is then there's something seriously wrong with these linux kernels |
| 00:50.49 | IndigloMouth | JDahl, and I'm pretty sure that it's recognizing the disc... it's just unable to read the file for some reason |
| 00:50.55 | michal | caf 18: 902297 IO-APIC-level libata, uhci_hcd, eth0 |
| 00:51.03 | cafuego_ | michal: Odd. |
| 00:51.26 | michal | cafuego_: in my kernel build there is only saa7146 (0) on irq 17 |
| 00:51.37 | JDahl | indiglomouth: what error do you get? you seem sure it's css related.. |
| 00:51.40 | ravenbird | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sml2-config' returned no results. |
| 00:51.42 | michal | cafuego_: i swapped cards around till i got all the saa7146 on their own irq |
| 00:52.00 | michal | cafuego_: but with the debian kernel i get this magical new entry on the same irq |
| 00:52.01 | mrwill | scarynetworkguy: we were talking about the chsh command change shell, not csh, the c shell... |
| 00:52.14 | safrican | hi! |
| 00:52.17 | scarynetworkguy | mrwill, whoops my bad. sorry |
| 00:52.29 | IndigloMouth | JDahl, I'm not sure it's css related... I don't think it is, but that's what everybody suggests |
| 00:52.32 | safrican | i have elvis running.. but i don't know where it is running |
| 00:52.35 | michal | cafuego_: Transferred 1 file totaling 1.95 GB in 03:34 (9,730.83 KBps) .. so it can write to the hdd ok unlike my build |
| 00:52.39 | rue_mohr | @find xml2-config |
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| 00:52.45 | morka | hi |
| 00:52.50 | safrican | i did psaux in the space of where... it says: ? |
| 00:52.58 | ravenbird | Debian Search of 'xml2-config' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/xml2-config) in libdevel/libxml2-dev. |
| 00:53.00 | safrican | so i do i find where it's running ? |
| 00:53.07 | morka | i installed vncserver as per instructions, now when I try to run vnc to login to my machine, all i get is an empty Xsession |
| 00:53.11 | morka | not even an xterm or anything |
| 00:53.16 | scarynetworkguy | safrican, what do you mean "were it's running" |
| 00:53.26 | morka | i've put xterm into xstartup, im still getting an empty session ! |
| 00:53.27 | IndigloMouth | JDahl, here's the error: libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO.\nCan't open VMG info! |
| 00:53.28 | morka | :( |
| 00:53.30 | morka | somebody help |
| 00:53.38 | mrwill | scarynetworkguy: well, that's ok, I needed to read this anyway, because from what I knew of the csh, it did seem pretty seductive... |
| 00:53.39 | tcsetattr | safrican, maybe you can get a hint from ls -l /proc/PID/fd |
| 00:53.43 | cafuego_ | michal: Then you should check which option is enabled in the Deb kernel which yours doesn't have. |
| 00:53.52 | scarynetworkguy | mrwill, yea it's pretty evil |
| 00:53.59 | safrican | scarynetworkguy: like it's not running in any /dev/pts or /dev/tty* but it's running and i have openbox (X) and i am compiling firefox in /dev/tty* |
| 00:54.08 | rue_mohr | morka: cant help ya, sorry |
| 00:54.09 | pixelmonkey | how does one limit a specific user's access to SSH on a server? |
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| 00:54.21 | pixelmonkey | I don't mean limit, I mean disable, actually |
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| 00:54.44 | morka | how do i redirect displays under vnc? |
| 00:54.53 | rue_mohr | pixelmonkey: by limiting the access of their group |
| 00:55.02 | rue_mohr | ? |
| 00:55.08 | scarynetworkguy | safrican, what is elvis? |
| 00:55.08 | michal | cafuego_: you mean the billion and one options? there's is only one option different to the debian kernel that I really NEED. but the debian kernel is different.. it has the huge debian patch applied to it |
| 00:55.11 | pixelmonkey | rue_mohr: and how does one limit the access of their group? |
| 00:55.15 | cafuego_ | pixelmonkey: chown the 'ssh' binary to a group the user isn't in and chmod 750 it. |
| 00:55.20 | safrican | scarynetworkguy: um.. a variation of VI |
| 00:55.30 | rue_mohr | apt find xml2-config |
| 00:55.39 | rue_mohr | pixelmonkey: its all through the system |
| 00:55.44 | scarynetworkguy | safrican, so is it causing a problem? |
| 00:55.47 | myren | where do i find the implementations for perl-module packages? |
| 00:55.47 | rue_mohr | pixelmonkey: how do you mean? |
| 00:55.56 | safrican | scarynetworkguy: it's taking 100% of my CPU Power |
| 00:55.57 | rue_mohr | lixel specifically |
| 00:56.05 | scarynetworkguy | safrican, so kill it |
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| 00:56.12 | zverj | umm.. has anyone of you played svcd on linux??? |
| 00:56.46 | pixelmonkey | rue_mohr: I mean, let's say I have a user named joeschmo. How do I make it impossible for ssh joeschmo@myserver to work from any location? |
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| 00:56.50 | dabreegster | Hey yall! |
| 00:56.52 | dabreegster | Whats up? |
| 00:56.59 | safrican | scarynetworkguy: it doesn't let me |
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| 00:57.14 | michal | cafuego_: how could i build an identical kernel to the one supplied by debian? built in the same manner?? that seems an unanswerable mystery to me |
| 00:57.25 | rue_mohr | pixelmonkey: something to do with their defualt shell |
| 00:57.31 | scarynetworkguy | safrican, do this ps aux | grep elvis and paste the output into #flood |
| 00:57.41 | rue_mohr | pixelmonkey: if you ask in #linuxhelp someone should be able to tell you more |
| 00:57.46 | lifeform | when using initrd boot option in lilo should I specify the root= variable to point to my root mount point? |
| 00:58.00 | mrwill | lifeform: yes |
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| 00:58.03 | cafuego_ | michal: They come with a config file in /boot. |
| 00:58.08 | mrwill | lifeform: wait, no!! |
| 00:58.11 | JDahl | IndigloMouth, exactly what command-line options do you give mplayer? "mplayer dvd 1"? |
| 00:58.13 | Caez | where's a good doc on kernel compiling? |
| 00:58.17 | mrwill | lifeform: root device, not mount point. |
| 00:58.24 | michal | cafuego_: the config files are not "compatible" with the upstream kernel |
| 00:58.24 | Agrajag- | michal: get the config file and do make oldconfig maybe? |
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| 00:58.29 | rue_mohr | -----> who is good at sorting out dependency tangles? <---------- |
| 00:58.36 | cafuego_ | the root mount point is always '/' :-) |
| 00:58.43 | debian | ------> Not Me <--------- |
| 00:58.45 | dabreegster | rue_mohr: dselect does a good job.. |
| 00:58.48 | rue_mohr | damn |
| 00:58.55 | cafuego_ | michal: I've not had problems with 'em. |
| 00:59.06 | IndigloMouth | JDahl, yeah |
| 00:59.08 | mrwill | cafuego_: right, question so simple it almost tricked me... |
| 00:59.13 | IndigloMouth | But I just got it working |
| 00:59.16 | lifeform | I installed kernel-image 2.6.7 package. My machine boots but I get no text on screen. I am able to ssh to the machine. How do I debug this problem? |
| 00:59.18 | cafuego_ | ---------> (*) Perth <-------- |
| 00:59.19 | rue_mohr | dabreegster: if I use dsselect, its going to try to upgrade my whole system... |
| 00:59.28 | michal | cafuego_: you get about a thousand options in the debian one that aren't in the upstream one (maybe not quite but you get MANY) |
| 00:59.30 | lifeform | mrwill: thanks |
| 00:59.30 | gravytron | Hi, does anybody here have an SGI Indy in their network? |
| 00:59.44 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: who you say? |
| 00:59.59 | cafuego_ | rue_mohr: See alt.fan.wardlord |
| 01:00.02 | michal | cafuego_: furthermore most of the time if i build the kernel with the debian config AND the debian patches it is unbootable |
| 01:00.02 | IndigloMouth | JDahl, I guess the dvd symlink was pointing to the wrong drive |
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| 01:00.09 | dabreegster | Sorry, wrong IRC command. |
| 01:00.17 | cafuego_ | michal: Well... |
| 01:00.19 | debian | gravytron: ask again in #sgi? |
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| 01:00.31 | gravytron | thanks |
| 01:00.35 | cafuego_ | dabreegster: FUCK OFF |
| 01:00.40 | dabreegster | cafuego_: ok, sheesh |
| 01:00.44 | debian | dabreegster: you know what gain you by mass pinging us? |
| 01:01.05 | michal | cafuego_: i can't because then the primary purpose of the machine cannot be fulfilled because of one friggin tiny option which i believe should be enabled anyway |
| 01:01.17 | cafuego_ | michal: Such as? |
| 01:01.20 | Agrajag- | i've asked this in #debian-kde but it doesn't appear anyone is there - how come no kde styles are showing up in my style menu besides the ugly built in ones? the ones in /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/styles aren't showing up |
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| 01:01.57 | IndigloMouth | Thanks for the attempt at help, all. It turns out that I'm just dumb. Sorry for the inconvenience. |
| 01:02.02 | rue_mohr | ok, lets try this, looking for an easy fix, (shall I force something?) |
| 01:02.03 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:02.03 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:02.09 | otavio | Someone knows how I can instruct GNOME to when a new user doesn't have you .gnome-* directories, he install a custom group of entries in your desktop? |
| 01:02.15 | mrwill | IndigloMouth: it's what we're here for, don't beat yourself up. |
| 01:02.15 | rue_mohr | someone please toss me a bone |
| 01:02.28 | michal | cafuego_: support for the so called "depreceated" (given that there's no alternative and debian packages vdr which relies on it I'm not sure why it's "depreceated") OSD option for the SAA7146. |
| 01:02.34 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | can anybody help me with apache and php4. Its download the php files intsead of opening them in browser. |
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| 01:02.43 | MonoTone | is there a console prog to setup net |
| 01:02.45 | rue_mohr | hey... |
| 01:02.49 | rue_mohr | no throwing people... |
| 01:02.51 | michal | cafuego_: correction .. AV7110 |
| 01:02.52 | IndigloMouth | mrwill, I'm not really beating myself up... I just feel bad bothering y'all for such a while, and then having it be something so simple |
| 01:02.55 | MonoTone | or should I look at some config files? |
| 01:02.56 | mrwill | Tweak`TG-Onwer: you need to change something in your httpd.conf |
| 01:03.10 | MonoTone | eth0 isn't configured |
| 01:03.11 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | mrwill I added the addhandler but it doesnt seem to be working. |
| 01:03.19 | cafuego_ | MonoTone: etherconf |
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| 01:03.22 | MonoTone | thank you |
| 01:03.33 | rue_mohr | cmon, someone say something with magical insight.. |
| 01:03.35 | mrwill | Tweak`TG-Onwer: huh, did you add mod-php too? |
| 01:03.42 | cafuego_ | MonoTone: ALternatively, 'modconf' and '$EDITOR /etc/network/interfaces' |
| 01:03.46 | nvz | mrwill: I get an error that says the command is not found when I try login, I think because of permissions to /usr/sbin/chroot, you have any suggestions about that? |
| 01:03.46 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | mrwill how do I do that? |
| 01:04.04 | cafuego_ | Tweak`TG-Onwer: You need an AddType, not an AddHandler. |
| 01:04.07 | mrwill | aargh, two at once... |
| 01:04.08 | JDahl | Tweak`TG-Onwer, did you install php4 for apacha (I know it's farfetched)? |
| 01:04.08 | lifeform | I installed kernel-image 2.6.7 package. My machine boots but I get no text on screen. Based on dmesg this seems to happen after my Martox video card's FB is turned on. Any ideas on how I can fis this problem? |
| 01:04.13 | michal | cafuego_: at any rate if it's enabled it doesn nothing to affect those who don't use it.. there will simply be uncalled code in the module |
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| 01:04.25 | mrwill | nvz: what do you get running the command as that user from the command line? |
| 01:04.26 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Jdah1 I just did apt-get install apache php4 |
| 01:04.40 | MonoTone | cafuego_: what if neither of those programs are installed |
| 01:04.42 | IndigloMouth | Thanks again, everybody, I'm outta here |
| 01:04.43 | JDahl | Tweak`TG-Onwer, and is your own php files (that could be buggy)? |
| 01:04.56 | cafuego_ | rue_mohr: Are you trying to install testing packages on woody? |
| 01:05.02 | MonoTone | apt-get install what would get me those |
| 01:05.06 | cafuego_ | MonoTone: Then you're not using Debian. |
| 01:05.06 | nvz | mrwill: you cannot run it as user for some reason.. its 755 root root, but only root can chroot |
| 01:05.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | I can't umount a device since it's busy, how can i list apps that use it ? |
| 01:05.15 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Jdah1 no its a test.php file I made hehe just says hi. |
| 01:05.19 | MonoTone | cafuego_: I am, its based on sid... |
| 01:05.20 | andrew__ | How do I get a command to run every time I startx? Using windowmaker. I want to run xli -onroot shroom.jog every time I startx. |
| 01:05.30 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: well, lests start from the begginging, how do I find out what apt thinks my system is? |
| 01:05.31 | cafuego_ | MonoTone: "based on" ? |
| 01:05.43 | cafuego_ | MonoTone: it's either Sid or not Sid. Not "based on" Sid. |
| 01:05.44 | michal | does anyone here actually know how they build the upstream kernel? and i'm not just talking about using make-kpkg .. what paramaters do they pass to it |
| 01:05.47 | michal | ? |
| 01:05.49 | nvz | mrwill: probably because its in /usr/sbin |
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| 01:05.56 | ivan | apt-get --simulate install apache2 (from backports) says it will remove debhelper and "file", but it doesn't look like it wants to install a new version or anything |
| 01:05.57 | cafuego_ | rue_mohr: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:05.58 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: its been patched a lot, non-standard kernel etc etc |
| 01:05.59 | ivan | is that bad? |
| 01:06.10 | andrew__ | How do I get a command to run every time I startx? Using windowmaker. I want to run xli -onroot shroom.jpg every time I startx. |
| 01:06.21 | mrwill | nvz: maybe you should make a suid root script to run it and use that as the login shell? bet some security minded people could come up with something better... |
| 01:06.25 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, wanna see something cool? |
| 01:06.25 | cafuego_ | andrew__: ~/.xsession |
| 01:06.26 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: 3.0 which one is that? |
| 01:06.31 | cafuego_ | rue_mohr: Woody. |
| 01:06.34 | rue_mohr | ok |
| 01:06.37 | andrew__ | Ah, I thought it was .xinitrc, but I was wrong |
| 01:06.41 | JDahl | Tweak`TG-Onwer, first make sure it's a working script (in a prober html wrapper), or mozilla/apache will just ask you what to do with the script... |
| 01:06.47 | rue_mohr | woody went with a 2.2 kernel or 2.4? |
| 01:06.49 | nvz | mrwill: yeah sudo for example |
| 01:06.53 | cafuego_ | rue_mohr: Yes. |
| 01:06.56 | nvz | mrwill: I'll try |
| 01:07.01 | bluefoxicy | alright |
| 01:07.02 | bluefoxicy | now |
| 01:07.11 | mrwill | nvz: yes, sudo is a much better idea. |
| 01:07.17 | JDahl | Tweak`TG-Onwer, it could be your php is working perfectly, but your script is wrong |
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| 01:07.28 | bluefoxicy | if I did that right, this should come up with a vsyscall page, so glibc won't b0rk; plus X should be marked, so X should start; plus I should have a working dsdt table. |
| 01:07.33 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: I'm trying to install stable packages on woody :-) |
| 01:07.48 | bluefoxicy | yay so far. |
| 01:07.55 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Jdahl it just says hi in it haha but its downloaidng the file not even attempting to open in in browser |
| 01:08.01 | cafuego_ | !info libxml2 woody |
| 01:08.03 | cafuego_ | !info libxml2 sarge |
| 01:08.05 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: If I can do this by only upgrading pices then its a good thing 33.6 modem and all |
| 01:08.08 | dpkg | libxml2: (GNOME XML library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.4.19-4 (woody), Packaged size: 324 kB, Installed size: 781 kB |
| 01:08.09 | dpkg | libxml2: (GNOME XML library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.6.10-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 627 kB, Installed size: 1252 kB |
| 01:08.24 | bluefoxicy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.26 | bluefoxicy | It started :) |
| 01:08.32 | rue_mohr | !info libxml2-dev woody |
| 01:08.35 | dpkg | libxml2-dev: (Development files for the GNOME XML library), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.4.19-4 (woody), Packaged size: 836 kB, Installed size: 4593 kB |
| 01:08.38 | lifeform | on booting the 2.6.7 kernel image I get the error "[drm:mga_probe] *ERROR* Cannot initialize the agpart module.". how do i fix this problem? |
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| 01:08.55 | cafuego_ | rue_mohr: SO it's clearly not installing the woody libxmsl2-dev |
| 01:08.59 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Jdahl I just removed and reinstalled apache and php4 now im getting action canceled when I go to it. |
| 01:09.00 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | y? |
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| 01:09.40 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: if set packages to woody, install the libxml2-dev and then go back to stabe and upgrade? |
| 01:09.53 | cafuego_ | rue_mohr: Woody IS stable. |
| 01:10.12 | rue_mohr | ah, well, they means I have a problem |
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| 01:10.37 | cafuego_ | lifeform: Load the agp driver for your mainboard, like say via_agp etc. |
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| 01:10.39 | rue_mohr | libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.4.19-4woody1) but 2.6.2-1 is to be installed |
| 01:10.39 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.41 | simonrvn | cafuego_: hullo. you pinged? |
| 01:10.44 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | how do I compltly delete something off the server. I apt-get remove apache but its still there in /etc/apache how do I make it comptly remove itself? |
| 01:10.46 | simonrvn | cafuego_: ;) |
| 01:10.50 | rue_mohr | so what is my problem |
| 01:10.59 | bluefoxicy | ALRIGHT! |
| 01:11.02 | cafuego_ | simonrvn: My trap works! |
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| 01:11.08 | bluefoxicy | I've got a working PaX demonstration on Debian Linux |
| 01:11.14 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: could I have a testing source in apt? |
| 01:11.29 | xsdg | cafuego_: your what trap? |
| 01:11.35 | cafuego_ | rue_mohr: You have a non-debian-stable line in sources.list OR your mirror is broken. |
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| 01:11.52 | cafuego_ | xsdg: cannuck trap |
| 01:11.56 | xsdg | rofl |
| 01:12.00 | toolchest | bluefoxicy: PaX? |
| 01:12.06 | cafuego_ | simonrvn: Got some time to do your ipv6 dns? |
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| 01:12.15 | bluefoxicy | toolchest: a security patch, takes some distro-end legwork to make it user-transparent. |
| 01:12.17 | EvilSeed | hey i got a question |
| 01:12.24 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: well, their all stable... |
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| 01:12.43 | lifeform | cafuego_: I get this error when I try to boot the deb precooked kernel. I dont load any modules for agp in my own compiled kernels so I dont know what module to load. Could this error be causing the login prompt not to appear (not X just the text login) |
| 01:12.43 | EvilSeed | i installed gngeo and gngeogui.. i am trying to use mslugx.zip and it says it cant find neogeo.rom now.. i dont have that file and cant find it n e where on the net. |
| 01:12.47 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | how do I compltly delete something off the server. I apt-get remove apache but its still there in /etc/apache how do I make it comptly remove itself? |
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| 01:12.59 | simonrvn | cafuego_: yeh. |
| 01:13.01 | bluefoxicy | toolchest: it employs memory protections (restrictions) that make certain types of exploits (entire classes, not just "in Mozilla but not in SSH") either impossible, or probabilisticly impossible. |
| 01:13.02 | cafuego_ | lifeform: yes. What is your mainboard? |
| 01:13.23 | cafuego_ | simonrvn: Lemme just garb my cfg. You've got a he.net tunnel dontchya? |
| 01:13.30 | bluefoxicy | toolchest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PaX is a good resource ;) |
| 01:13.34 | nvz | can someone help me setting up a chroot login? I dont know what I got going on here :) |
| 01:13.50 | simonrvn | cafuego_: freenet6 |
| 01:13.52 | JDahl | Tweak`TG-Onwer, I dont know why you get action cancelled, but you can safely delete apache directories manually (and perhaps consider using apache2? ;) ) |
| 01:13.54 | nvz | I have a jail built, cant figure out how to set the users shell as a chroot |
| 01:14.04 | cafuego_ | simonrvn: They migrated off 3ffe? |
| 01:14.06 | simonrvn | cafuego_: i was having too many dropouts with he |
| 01:14.09 | lifeform | cafuego_: hmm...may have to reboot to get that info. let me check if I have it written some place |
| 01:14.10 | simonrvn | cafuego_: yup |
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| 01:14.18 | cafuego_ | lifeform: 'lspci' will do. |
| 01:14.25 | EvilSeed | my soul for neogeo |
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| 01:14.42 | cafuego_ | simonrvn: Lemme just sort out lifeform... |
| 01:14.44 | JDahl | Tweak`TG-Onwer, deleting remaining config dirs after you removed the packages with apt-get I mean! |
| 01:14.52 | toolchest | bluefoxicy: just googled it. keep coming up with "pax kernel patch ddos vulnerability". not a good first impression for a security patch :p. |
| 01:15.01 | bluefoxicy | toolchest: Hm? |
| 01:15.07 | bluefoxicy | toolchest: :P |
| 01:15.32 | cafuego_ | lifeform: it'll have something like "0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [KM400] Chipset Host Bridge" |
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| 01:15.43 | DemiGuru | How do I disable framebuffer when reconfiguring xfree86 4.3 (sarge)? |
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| 01:15.56 | michal | cafuego_: ui havn't been able to work out whether patches automaticallyget applied by make-kpkg.. do you know? |
| 01:15.56 | bluefoxicy | toolchest: PaX pretty much turns security holes that lead to nasty things like high-level privilaged intruders into DoS attacks. |
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| 01:16.02 | lifeform | cafuego_: VT82C693A/694x Via Technologies |
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| 01:16.05 | michal | cafuego_: by default that ios |
| 01:16.10 | michal | s/ios/is |
| 01:16.20 | ivan | i'm in dependency hell with backports apache2/file+debhelper |
| 01:16.21 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: could this be from previously installing a package from testing.. . if so, can I tell apt to flush the versions Its remembering |
| 01:16.24 | ivan | they both want to remove each other |
| 01:16.40 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | jduh do I need apache to do apache2? |
| 01:16.40 | bluefoxicy | toolchest: i.e. if Apache has a hole in it that lets you deform a URL and have it give you a shell with whatever privilages Apache has, PaX will cause Apache to crash upon attempted exploit of that bug. |
| 01:16.57 | deckrider | Hi, I'm using sarge, just upgraded, and broke something, but I can't remember the previous version of the package. Is there someplace I can go find what the previous version was? |
| 01:16.59 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | jduh becuase I just did apt-get install apache2-common and now its not hosting any websites at all |
| 01:17.03 | cafuego_ | lifeform: Cool. You want to run (as root): 'echo via-agp >> /etc/modules' |
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| 01:17.18 | rue_mohr | deckrider: what broke? |
| 01:17.29 | cafuego_ | lifeform: That will load the base AGP driver for your mainboard, after which 'mga' should load fine, and X as well. |
| 01:17.32 | deckrider | gnome-pilot or something related |
| 01:17.38 | bluefoxicy | toolchest: Which do you prefer, Sasser/MSBlast, or 'Mozilla just crashed for no reason wtf?' while you stay gleefully (but slightly annoyedly) none the wiser of what just happened? |
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| 01:18.01 | lifeform | cafuego_: should I do this after I boot the new kernel or right now (my old kernel)? |
| 01:18.10 | bluefoxicy | toolchest: sasser/msblast just for references; you'd have to actually have someone reimplement similar things for Linux. I'm up for making this not feasible. |
| 01:18.24 | deckrider | pilot-link, libpisock8, and libpisync0 were upgraded, but I would like to know the previous sarge version so I can go back to it and see if it works again. |
| 01:18.39 | michal | cafuego_: how does this look to you? PATH_THE_KERNEL=YES make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --mkinitrd --revision=htpc.0 kernel_image |
| 01:18.41 | DemiGuru | How do I disable framebuffer when reconfiguring xfree86 4.3 (sarge)? Anyone?? |
| 01:18.42 | cafuego_ | lifeform: You cna do it right now, it won't harm anything. |
| 01:18.52 | rue_mohr | deckrider: whats gnome-pilot? |
| 01:18.56 | bluefoxicy | ok so |
| 01:19.02 | cafuego_ | michal: Looks to me like you're missing a 'C' |
| 01:19.05 | bluefoxicy | I need to find a Debian developer who will take the data I have gathered together |
| 01:19.10 | bluefoxicy | and rig up a debian package |
| 01:19.12 | deckrider | rue_mohr: allows me to sink my palm |
| 01:19.21 | deckrider | rue_mohr: sync even |
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| 01:19.27 | bluefoxicy | which will install a proper kernel image and this script I have, and run the script |
| 01:19.31 | toolchest | bluefoxicy: i wasn't trying to troll you. just making an, admittedly uninformed observation. i admit, in the grand scheme of things ddos is better than giving someone remote access. |
| 01:19.33 | rue_mohr | deckrider: hmm, havn't a clue |
| 01:19.42 | bluefoxicy | toolchest: in most situations :) |
| 01:19.44 | deckrider | hehehe |
| 01:19.49 | kendrick | is there a directory i can make in a user's homedir where scripts will get run at boot-time (like /etc/rc.boot, but user-specific)??? |
| 01:19.55 | michal | cafuego_: ahh.. good call. that would have wasted some time. |
| 01:19.57 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | estarting web server: Apache2apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 01:19.58 | JDahl | Tweak`TG-Onwer, probably www-root points to somewhere different with apache2, but just edit the apache2 config files |
| 01:20.00 | lifeform | cafuego_: thanks I will try to boot the new kernel now. BTW I thought one should not hand modigy /etc/modules |
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| 01:20.07 | cafuego_ | simonrvn: *grr* I deleted the ipv6 zone definition from coffee. |
| 01:20.08 | rue_mohr | aaaahhhh, how do I fix this, I'm paying for internet by the min, I'd like to get it fixed fast |
| 01:20.12 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Jdah1 I did and restarted I got this error estarting web server: Apache2apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 01:20.22 | cafuego_ | lifeform: That's /etc/modules.conf, different file. |
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| 01:20.24 | bluefoxicy | toolchest: fortunately, for home users (who uses Debian on a server? Adamantix, Hardened Gentoo, Immunix, man find something SECURED), this is not an issue |
| 01:20.37 | michal | cafuego_: not to mention that it's actually --initrd |
| 01:20.38 | eye69 | Tweak`TG-Onwer: Your hostname can't be found in DNS or /etc/hosts |
| 01:20.40 | cafuego_ | Tweak`TG-Onwer: That's a warning, not an error. |
| 01:20.43 | simonrvn | cafuego_: :( |
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| 01:20.49 | cafuego_ | simonrvn: 's OK. |
| 01:20.52 | lifeform | cafuego_: ok. In debian should I always use modconf to add modules? Or can I simply edit /etc/modules |
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| 01:21.09 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | hmm... ok |
| 01:21.09 | cafuego_ | simonrvn: I have the actual zone files still. |
| 01:21.26 | cafuego_ | lifeform: They do the same thing, so that's up to you. |
| 01:21.29 | JDahl | Tweak`TG-Onwer, then you probably need to correct /etc/hosts (and by default the www-root is at ~www-data) |
| 01:21.33 | michal | well.. i didn't see it apply the patch.. but i hope it has :/ |
| 01:21.33 | simonrvn | cafuego_: ok |
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| 01:22.45 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: so you know what makes apt think that it should get zlib1g-dev 1.2.1-5 instead of 1.2.4-1 ???? |
| 01:22.59 | cafuego_ | simonrvn: Oh look: 5.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0 in ptr simonraven.v6.bacon.cafuego.net |
| 01:23.02 | cafuego_ | :-) |
| 01:23.21 | rue_mohr | ? |
| 01:23.24 | troubled | simonrvn: bah |
| 01:23.26 | deckrider | aha....looks like /var/backups/dpkg.status.0 may have what I need |
| 01:23.42 | troubled | cafuego_: booya |
| 01:24.00 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: all right, I'm switching to testing to get those libs... |
| 01:24.05 | simonrvn | cafuego_: hehhe, yeh |
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| 01:24.24 | cafuego_ | rue_mohr: "world of pain" |
| 01:24.34 | rue_mohr | what choice do I have? |
| 01:24.35 | troubled | simonrvn: fine, dont bah back ;p |
| 01:24.54 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: I'm paying byt hte minute and I'm not getting anywhere here talking |
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| 01:25.02 | simonrvn | troubled: bah |
| 01:25.06 | coup | I just ran dist-upgrade and noticed that permission on my audio device got changed (effectively robbing me of sound till I reset them). Is there a reason why this should happen? |
| 01:25.20 | cafuego_ | rue_mohr: *fix* the cause rather than the symptom. *download* the 2.4 version by *hand* |
| 01:25.40 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: and use dpkg to install it? |
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| 01:26.01 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | ok I have apache2 now things should be simpler but its still trying to download the index.php file instead of open it |
| 01:26.09 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | I have AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 01:26.09 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps |
| 01:26.12 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | uncommented |
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| 01:26.45 | cafuego_ | rue_mohr: For instance. |
| 01:26.45 | simonrvn | Tweak`TG-Onwer: you need to change the text/plain to text/html |
| 01:26.59 | simonrvn | Tweak`TG-Onwer: should be in the conf somewhere |
| 01:27.24 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | simonvn didnt work |
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| 01:27.40 | imka | any1 with knoppix experience? |
| 01:27.41 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: hmm how about this libxml2.6.2 is installed.... |
| 01:27.53 | rue_mohr | isn't that a wrench in the gears |
| 01:28.05 | cef_work | imka: see #knoppix |
| 01:28.26 | imka | i need to mount a partition with write permission cause i dont have nough space with knoppix |
| 01:28.28 | rue_mohr | thats probably what caused this whole mess |
| 01:28.38 | EvilSee1 | imka i use knoppix |
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| 01:29.08 | imka | EvilSeel great cause the knoppix channel is inactive |
| 01:29.23 | Guerin | imka: man mount |
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| 01:29.49 | ivan | how do i install 'file' from backports instead of the 3.0 stable debian.org version? i put the package in sources.list, set a priority of 700 for it in /etc/apt/preferences, but apt-get still wants to install the old stable one |
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| 01:30.32 | dapu | i can't seem to use dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cdimage |
| 01:30.47 | dapu | I know the drive works since audio cd's come up in grip |
| 01:30.57 | dapu | here's what /var/log/messages says: |
| 01:31.16 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: it would be interesting to have a 2d dependecy map, with a little arrow on the nodes that I have pulled to unstable, so I can slowly see how it will creep throught he whole dependency tree |
| 01:31.21 | JDahl | Tweak`TG-Onwer, try telnet to you server "telnet hostname 80", then type "HEAD / HTTP/1.0" followed by return... then you get some output... does it say php is supported? |
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| 01:31.34 | dapu | I/O error: dev 0b:00, sector 4 |
| 01:31.41 | dapu | anyone know what this means? |
| 01:31.47 | imka | i need to mount hda1 or hda3 with write permission cause knoppix live doesnt give me enough space for extracting the bz2 file. EvilSeel or any1 else, any ideas? |
| 01:31.52 | michal | are there any watchdog daemons packaged for debian (that support watchdog hardware, not just software) |
| 01:32.02 | scarynetworkguy | dapu, it means you are trying to dd to a cd |
| 01:32.23 | scarynetworkguy | !knoppix |
| 01:32.24 | dpkg | knoppix is probably a bootable CD with a demo distribution, based mostly on Debian testing. It has almost 2GB in compressed volume, works in memory not touching harddisks by default, autodetects hardware and starts a prepared KDE session. Can be installed on harddisk later. URL: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html, http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/knoppix.php, /join #knoppix for knoppix-specific stuff. Not Debian but similar. |
| 01:32.27 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Jday1 it doesnt let me type anything |
| 01:32.49 | lifeform | cafuego_: thanks for the help. Let me reboot and report back |
| 01:32.52 | scarynetworkguy | imka, you are much more likely to get good answers in #knoppix |
| 01:33.01 | dapu | scarynetworkguy: data dump to a cd... hmm... but the argument for 'of' is a file on the harddrive... |
| 01:33.13 | imka | go and try to ask a question in knoppix |
| 01:33.16 | JDahl | Tweak`TG-Onwer, it should.. press return maybe and then try |
| 01:33.22 | scarynetworkguy | dapu, do'h |
| 01:33.23 | imka | and wait for the answer |
| 01:33.39 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | HEAD |
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| 01:33.40 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | HTTP/1.1 400 Bad Request |
| 01:33.40 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:02:55 GMT |
| 01:33.40 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Server: Apache/2.0.49 (Debian GNU/Linux) |
| 01:33.40 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Connection: close |
| 01:33.40 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 |
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| 01:33.46 | rabautz | Hi, is here anybody using camserv with svideo-in? |
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| 01:33.55 | scarynetworkguy | imka, yes but a chance of 0.0000000000000001 is better than 0.00000000000000000 |
| 01:34.15 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Jdah1 did u get that? |
| 01:34.55 | Guerin | imka: why don't you just read man mount? |
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| 01:35.09 | scarynetworkguy | !be reading barbie |
| 01:35.09 | dpkg | Reading is HARD. |
| 01:35.15 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, I think that about covers it |
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| 01:35.23 | ivan | is it easy to install unstable packages when running testing? |
| 01:35.39 | ivan | as in, no stupid install-1000-dependencies |
| 01:35.39 | scarynetworkguy | ivan, if you gotta ask... |
| 01:35.50 | JDahl | Tweak`TG-Onwer, I gotta leave. I dug out this on google (and amazing free search tool) http://dan.drydog.com/apache2php.html. Hope it helps ;) |
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| 01:36.00 | Guerin | ivan: sometimes. Other times they depend on some other stuff from unstable, then you're in a world of hurt if you don't know wtfyd |
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| 01:36.21 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, how's the bunny doing? |
| 01:36.28 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: seems alright |
| 01:36.40 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: having a ip now |
| 01:36.42 | Guerin | kip |
| 01:36.57 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, cool |
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| 01:37.12 | ivan | is it a good idea to run stable and just compile newer programs? |
| 01:37.15 | Guerin | !dict kip |
| 01:37.17 | dpkg | Dictionary 'kip' (3 shown; 7 total): . Kip \Kip\, n. [Cf. G. kippe.] 1. A sharp-pointed hill; a projecting point, as on a hill. [Scot.] ;; sleep; "roused him from his kip" ;; a gymnastic exercise performed starting from a position with the legs over the upper body and moving to an errect position by arching the back and swinging the legs out and down while forcing the chest upright. |
| 01:37.22 | ivan | will most of them compile, like python 2.3 and apache2? |
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| 01:37.29 | scarynetworkguy | got it |
| 01:37.33 | scarynetworkguy | ivan, no no it is not |
| 01:37.35 | mrwill | ivan: might try backports |
| 01:37.36 | Guerin | ivan: you can always backport unstable packages into testing |
| 01:37.39 | mrwill | !backports |
| 01:37.39 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package that was compiled for an older debian release. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 01:37.48 | bubbles | just installed d ebian via new installer and i'm unable to get 3d nvidia driver installed due to error about not having kernel sources albeit I just downloaded them via apt-get...uname says 2.4.25-1-386 yet apt-get offered no such version so I grabbed 2.4.25 which was closest one...??? |
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| 01:37.59 | scarynetworkguy | either he's sleeping or he's some kind of super bunny |
| 01:38.00 | ivan | i thought backports was only for stable |
| 01:38.21 | mrwill | ivan: i thought you asked about stable.... |
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| 01:38.31 | scarynetworkguy | mrwill, he did :) |
| 01:38.32 | ivan | i'm running stable right now |
| 01:38.37 | ivan | and it sucks |
| 01:38.38 | bread4512 | hello Im running debian stable and syslogd is running but nothing is writing to the syslog is there anything you all can think of that i need to check please |
| 01:38.50 | ivan | it doesn't have any packages i need |
| 01:38.51 | Guerin | !info nvidia-kernel-modules-2.4.26-1-686 |
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| 01:39.09 | Guerin | !wayttd ivan |
| 01:39.09 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ivan? |
| 01:39.16 | michal | god i hope that one day all the major instant messaging protocols unite (with the best features of all and some sort of standart protocols).. |
| 01:39.22 | Guerin | !find nvidia-kernel |
| 01:39.24 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'nvidia-kernel' (9 shown): nvidia-kernel-2.4.26-1-386 ;; nvidia-kernel-2.4.26-1-586tsc ;; nvidia-kernel-2.4.26-1-686 ;; nvidia-kernel-2.4.26-1-686-smp ;; nvidia-kernel-2.4.26-1-k6 ;; nvidia-kernel-2.4.26-1-k7 ;; nvidia-kernel-2.4.26-1-k7-smp ;; nvidia-kernel-common ;; nvidia-kernel-source. |
| 01:39.46 | ivan | install python2.3/apache/mod_python/PHP5 |
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| 01:39.50 | ivan | i need the latest and greatest web apps |
| 01:40.08 | Guerin | bubbles: apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.4.26-1-686 |
| 01:40.10 | mrwill | michal: I just want everybody to move to irc... |
| 01:40.12 | ivan | er, make that apache2 |
| 01:40.14 | ivan | apache 1.3 blows |
| 01:40.15 | scarynetworkguy | ivan, why? what makes you think you need the "latest and greatest" |
| 01:40.21 | ivan | um, my requirements |
| 01:40.29 | Guerin | ivan: php5 isn't even in unstable yet |
| 01:40.30 | mrwill | ivan: yeah, unless you want php or something, but those blow too, right. |
| 01:40.31 | michal | ms messenger actually seems to have a few features no ther im's have |
| 01:40.32 | scarynetworkguy | ivan, and those are? |
| 01:40.32 | bubbles | Guerin, ic that yes ...thx ;-0 |
| 01:40.35 | cievo | and php5 too ! |
| 01:40.55 | michal | mrwill: i prefer videophones.. |
| 01:41.11 | Guerin | ivan: the best bet for a stable server is straight woody; if you NEED functionality that's only in newer versions, use backports; either someone else's or your own. |
| 01:41.19 | mrwill | michal: are you somewhere where lots of people have those?? |
| 01:41.35 | scarynetworkguy | !woody simple backport |
| 01:41.45 | michal | mrwill: no.. we don't even have broadband here (well we might as well not) |
| 01:41.47 | Guerin | !simple sid backport |
| 01:41.47 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.47 | dpkg | simple sid backport is, like, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 01:42.37 | bubbles | Guerin, i'm getting an error about that nvidia-kernel version via apt-get..says couldn't find package..is this due to it being only in unstable ? ( i'm using testing respos.) |
| 01:42.44 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, thanks |
| 01:43.02 | Guerin | !info nvidia-kernel-2.4.26-1-686 sarge |
| 01:43.04 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-2.4.26-1-686: (NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.4.26-1-686), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.6106+1 (sarge), Packaged size: 957 kB, Installed size: 5088 kB |
| 01:43.06 | michal | bubbles: you're using testing responsibly? :) |
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| 01:43.15 | scarynetworkguy | bubbles, do you have contrib and non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 01:43.18 | bubbles | michal: is there another way ?<G> |
| 01:43.26 | bubbles | scarynetworkguy, yes |
| 01:43.27 | t-jack | If I wanted to process an mpg file, say an old poorly coded cartoon, to try and return it to original quality, what program(s) might I use? |
| 01:43.27 | Guerin | bubbles: it's in testing; your apt sources might not have non-free in them |
| 01:43.37 | bubbles | Guerin, ok thx checking <<< |
| 01:43.40 | Guerin | t-jack: can't be done |
| 01:43.47 | ivan | omg i am infected with teh non-free software! |
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| 01:43.50 | ivan | get it off get it off! |
| 01:43.51 | Guerin | t-jack: you can't get something from nothing |
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| 01:44.05 | Guerin | ivan: apt-get install vrms :) |
| 01:44.17 | scarynetworkguy | bubbles, search on packages.debian.org see if it is there |
| 01:44.17 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Guerin I need to backport? |
| 01:44.25 | Guerin | Tweak`TG-Onwer: context? |
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| 01:44.37 | michal | jesus building a debian configured kernel takes AGES |
| 01:44.48 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Guerin were you talking about my apache problem that I need to backport? |
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| 01:44.54 | Guerin | michal: it's because it's got everything built as modules |
| 01:44.55 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | or is that someone else? |
| 01:45.01 | cafuego_ | simonrvn: Ok, I think i have the zones worked out. |
| 01:45.02 | xsdg | michal: wow; he's _still_ working on that? ;o) |
| 01:45.03 | ivan | No non-free packages installed on localhost! rms would be proud. |
| 01:45.09 | Guerin | Tweak`TG-Onwer: what precisely was your apache problem?? |
| 01:45.14 | Guerin | !win ivan |
| 01:45.14 | dpkg | Congratulations, ivan! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 01:45.15 | michal | Guerin: yeah.. but it doesn't have one piddly option i need enabled.. |
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| 01:45.32 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Guerin ok I guess not sorry |
| 01:45.33 | jivera | Why does "aptitude dist-upgrade" want to install konqueror, konsole, and kernel-image-2.4.26-1-386? When I run it with -D all of the packages it lists for konqueror only refer to www-browser (which mozilla-firefox provides) and konsole's supposed dependencies all refer to x-terminal-emulator (which gnome-terminal provides). |
| 01:45.35 | scarynetworkguy | michal, so enable it |
| 01:45.53 | michal | scarynetworkguy: so i did.. and now i'm sitting here for eternity waiting for the kernel to build |
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| 01:46.02 | Guerin | jivera: you're doing a dist-upgrade |
| 01:46.12 | Guerin | jivera: that upgrades every package on your system |
| 01:46.13 | bread4512 | is there anytihng i can type from the command line that will write something to the syslog |
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| 01:46.19 | scarynetworkguy | michal, you should have turned off all the rest of that crap |
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| 01:46.29 | Guerin | jivera: and brings in new packages as necessary to fulfill deps |
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| 01:46.57 | jivera | Guerin: But it doesn't want to upgrade any packages, only install new ones, and all the ones it's installing are only to satisfy virtual dependencies already satisfied elsewhere. |
| 01:47.09 | Guerin | jivera: are you SURE? |
| 01:47.11 | michal | scarynetworkguy: i did that too.. but then the kernel didn't work properly.. ie sata write speed was crap (despite all the sata/ide settings for my hardware being identical) |
| 01:47.16 | jivera | Guerin: Yes. |
| 01:47.29 | tcsetattr | jivera, some people say aptitude is buggy. Is there any reason you don't just use apt-get? |
| 01:47.41 | lifeform | cafuego_: unfortunately putting via-agp in /etc/modules did not solve the problem. i still get the "Cannot initialize the agpgart module" error message |
| 01:47.42 | Guerin | jivera: if that's true, it's a horrific packaging bug, and I'm surprised nobody else has seen it |
| 01:47.42 | jivera | tcsetattr: Because I was told to use aptitude with sarge. |
| 01:47.45 | initech | jivera: strace it then :-) |
| 01:47.48 | jeanpoldeux | hehehe I've got my own channel, #freak |
| 01:47.51 | scarynetworkguy | tcsetattr, aptitude is mad l337? |
| 01:48.06 | initech | jivera: just use apt and see what happens |
| 01:48.08 | SharkY | hi |
| 01:48.12 | debian | jeanpoldeux: blah. :) |
| 01:48.12 | jivera | initech: apt-get works fine. |
| 01:48.36 | michal | it'd be simpler if the debian kernel team simpy enabled the option. no point having support for the driver without that option anyway |
| 01:48.36 | initech | jivera: well aptitude may be a little buggy then |
| 01:48.38 | ivan | do security patches for testing usually arrive in a timely manner? |
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| 01:48.48 | Guerin | jivera: I bet you have some package selected in aptitude; or you have auto-recommends or some other shit turned on |
| 01:48.48 | Kvant | ivan, no |
| 01:48.56 | Guerin | ivan: no |
| 01:49.00 | scarynetworkguy | ivan, nope more like "not at all" |
| 01:49.03 | jivera | Guerin: I have whatever the defaults are. |
| 01:49.04 | Guerin | ivan: that's why testing = bad for servers |
| 01:49.11 | initech | ivan: stable only for security; testing and sid get sucurity via new versions |
| 01:49.24 | initech | usually |
| 01:49.31 | Guerin | initech: eventually |
| 01:49.41 | ivan | ok |
| 01:49.44 | jivera | scarynetworkguy: I know I could just use apt-get instead, but I was told aptitude's preferable to use over apt-get... |
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| 01:49.53 | initech | in stable versions never change |
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| 01:50.05 | ChrisW | what package can Iget dos2unix prom? |
| 01:50.08 | scarynetworkguy | jivera, and based on what you are seeing was that correct advice? |
| 01:50.17 | Guerin | !tell ChrisW about search |
| 01:50.22 | initech | jivera: ? I've never used anything but apt-get & friends |
| 01:50.27 | ChrisW | apt-cache search dos2unix elicitde nothing :-S |
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| 01:50.29 | cafuego_ | Crap onna stick |
| 01:50.30 | jivera | scarynetworkguy: Not really. However, the only problem I have with aptitude so far is that dist-upgrade wants to install a few extra packages. |
| 01:50.56 | initech | jivera: well, it is better than dselect :) |
| 01:51.07 | ChrisW | Guerin: see my answer ;-) |
| 01:51.09 | Guerin | jivera: so look in the options and turn off recommends etc? |
| 01:51.17 | initech | i never learned how to use dselect |
| 01:51.22 | Guerin | ChrisW: there are many other methods of searching |
| 01:51.27 | ivan | i can't find a python2.3 backport |
| 01:51.32 | michal | i just use apt-get.. i see nop need for anything else |
| 01:51.35 | jivera | Guerin: Turning off recommends makes it think there are more unwanted dependencies and tries to remove them. |
| 01:51.35 | ChrisW | ivan: just install from source |
| 01:51.36 | mrwill | initech: well, most people can't understand dselect... |
| 01:51.39 | ChrisW | much less hassle |
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| 01:51.51 | ChrisW | Guerin: don't suppose you know what package it's in? |
| 01:51.54 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: fixed it with unstable packages... for now |
| 01:52.07 | Guerin | ivan: roll your own backport form sid sources |
| 01:52.07 | michal | maybe if there was a graphical interface with decent dependancy graphing then i'd use that |
| 01:52.11 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | wasnt there a problem in debian where when u choose your "configruing locals" between Non and en_US if you choose one it will break debian? |
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| 01:52.21 | ivan | ChrisW: deb src or the real source? |
| 01:52.24 | initech | mrwill: back in the slink days, I got immediately tired of getting stuck in its weirdo loops |
| 01:52.30 | Guerin | jivera: I dunno, then. I don;t use aptitude. |
| 01:52.33 | ChrisW | ivan: the real source |
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| 01:52.36 | ivan | ok |
| 01:52.37 | ChrisW | it's a 2 minute install |
| 01:52.39 | initech | mrwill: and never tried it again |
| 01:52.39 | scarynetworkguy | It only took our good friends at Verizon 48 fucking hours to fix a frame circuit |
| 01:52.40 | ivan | i was thinking of that too |
| 01:52.47 | Guerin | ivan: err, the deb source will give you .debs to install |
| 01:52.53 | cafuego_ | rue_mohr: You can't fix a woody problem by installing an unstable package. Really. |
| 01:52.55 | t-jack | Guerin: How about Linux Video Studio? Or is this strictly for stillphoto jpegs? |
| 01:52.58 | initech | scarynetworkguy: you work for an isp? |
| 01:53.00 | scarynetworkguy | !aliensmite verizon for being slow |
| 01:53.04 | Guerin | ivan: you can make that happen with the stock source, but it's a PITA |
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| 01:53.16 | Guerin | t-jack: ??? |
| 01:53.21 | scarynetworkguy | initech, nope but we do resell a few frame circuits for clients |
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| 01:53.45 | rue_mohr | cafuego_: In the end, I'm just trying to gather the deps for a compile-it-yourself'er |
| 01:53.55 | t-jack | <Guerin> t-jack: you can't get something from nothing |
| 01:53.56 | Guerin | t-jack: ah, you're talking about your old crap mpeg |
| 01:54.08 | t-jack | Yes |
| 01:54.31 | lifeform | cafuego_: unfortunately putting via-agp in /etc/modules did not solve the problem. i still get the "Cannot initialize the agpgart module" error message. Any other ideas? |
| 01:54.32 | ivan | do i need debhelper at all if i'm not making packages? |
| 01:54.34 | michal | what's crap about mpeg ? |
| 01:54.44 | Guerin | t-jack: basically, when you compress something lossily, you lose data. You can never get that data back, so re-encoding a crap mpeg in a higher quality is just going to get you a high-bitrate cram mpeg |
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| 01:55.03 | cafuego_ | !$#!$%^$&%^!#$%#&$!& |
| 01:55.04 | Guerin | michal: nothing, in general. He's talking about a crap quality mpeg. |
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| 01:55.20 | Guerin | cafuego_: what's the trouble? |
| 01:55.21 | initech | cafuego_: ? calm down |
| 01:55.40 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, you mean taking a MP3 and burning it to a cd does not make it sound like the original CD? |
| 01:55.42 | scarynetworkguy | :) |
| 01:55.51 | ivan | i removed all sources except backports to get the backports 'file' installed |
| 01:55.55 | michal | Guerin: ahh.. he can run it through one of thoser super-duper filters that you see on tv and all the detail will come up in amazing clarity.. and you'll even be able to look at it in 3d and fly around the scene in the image to see what's BEHIND things |
| 01:55.56 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: amazing, I know, but I have had arguments with people about this |
| 01:56.10 | Guerin | the usual end-answer I get is "Well, it sounds better to ME!" |
| 01:56.16 | cafuego_ | See the host I'm on IRC from? |
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| 01:56.33 | Guerin | dead:beef |
| 01:56.41 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, me too. I really like the folks who think that ripping a mp4 from itunes and then reimporting it as a mp3 results in something that human ears should listen to |
| 01:56.42 | initech | cafuego_: dude, yes, WTF are you doing |
| 01:56.45 | bluefoxicy | Alright, here's my call for help: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2004/07/msg00224.html |
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| 01:57.03 | michal | for a high bitrate mp3 nobody will notice that it's not the original cd |
| 01:57.04 | bluefoxicy | cafuego_: Don't forget to use a condom when 42*#%@*% |
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| 01:57.15 | Guerin | michal: and then maybe he's get to go out with the blonde lass from CSI Miami afterwards... |
| 01:57.20 | bluefoxicy | anyway. |
| 01:57.25 | Seb | does anyone in here have a @gmx.(net|de|...) email address ? I'm having a few minor problems with their (free) service, so before I send them a report, I'd like to know if they'll care that I don't actually live in Germany like I said when I register (they only accept registrations from Germany, Switzerland or Austria) :> |
| 01:57.38 | directhex | scarynetworkguy, i heard 320k mp3 is best, because that's a really high bitrate! -_- |
| 01:57.48 | Guerin | michal: that's true. But he was talking about 128's - and 128's from itunes as well |
| 01:57.55 | scarynetworkguy | mmmmmm blonde chicks |
| 01:57.57 | michal | Guerin: the best computer bullshit i have ever seen was in Enemy of the State. you just couldn't make that shit up |
| 01:58.02 | mrwill | 128s sound horrible to me. |
| 01:58.21 | initech | Seb: what's the prob? |
| 01:58.24 | scarynetworkguy | michal, nothing will *ever* top "The Net" |
| 01:58.33 | directhex | Hackers? =] |
| 01:58.34 | Seb | initech: some emails never reach their intended recipient :( |
| 01:58.41 | directhex | that was a GREAT movie |
| 01:58.46 | Guerin | I do all my mp3 in lame's "extreme" preset - comes out averaging about 200kbit |
| 01:58.47 | michal | Guerin: itunes is fine for encoding.. 128's from itunes are no worse than 128's from elsewhere.. but it's best to use at least 192 vbr.. or higher |
| 01:58.56 | Seb | initech: silently fails and all, like I'd email my friend about this email I sent him a week ago, and he'd be like "never got it" |
| 01:59.02 | initech | Seb: no bounces? |
| 01:59.11 | Seb | initech: no :(( |
| 01:59.16 | t-jack | michal: There's areas in these cartoons that closely resemble random squiggly lines and splotches of color. |
| 01:59.16 | directhex | i don't create mp3. anything ripped by me is Q6 Ogg Vorbis |
| 01:59.17 | Guerin | michal: yeah, but itunes' 128s cost a $US each, and that makes them BAD |
| 01:59.18 | ivan | every debian package should be statically compiled so it doesn't use any libraries |
| 01:59.23 | cievo | directhex that was the worst movie about hackers i've ever seen :) |
| 01:59.27 | scarynetworkguy | directhex, by great do you mean "sucked so much that it circled back and became funny"? |
| 01:59.35 | Guerin | directhex: yeah, if I had an ogg player in my car I'd do the same |
| 01:59.35 | ivan | i don't care if every program takes up 10MB |
| 01:59.39 | directhex | scarynetworkguy, yes. |
| 01:59.41 | Seb | initech: yo, by the way, did you get that memo ? :D |
| 01:59.41 | mrwill | directhex: i'm with you, oggs sound great at that quality! |
| 01:59.47 | morka | oggs ? |
| 01:59.47 | initech | Seb: you're sending and the recipient is not getting anything? is that the only problem? |
| 01:59.49 | scarynetworkguy | directhex, in that case you have a point |
| 01:59.52 | morka | how much space are they taking |
| 01:59.52 | michal | Guerin: just wtf are you talking about? the itunes you PAY for aren't even mp3's |
| 01:59.53 | t-jack | michal: So high-bitrate re-encoding will not help. |
| 01:59.53 | Seb | initech: correct |
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| 01:59.55 | cievo | ivan : why would you like that ? packages would be big |
| 02:00.00 | Guerin | ivan: that's honestly the stupidest Idea I've ever had |
| 02:00.14 | Guerin | ivan: you should make your own distro, calle Tardix. |
| 02:00.25 | initech | Seb: have you examined the headers of a successful send? |
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| 02:00.28 | simonrvn | cafuego_: ok |
| 02:00.28 | cievo | ivan: maybe you don't WE do :) |
| 02:00.32 | Guerin | michal: AAC and mpeg aren't THAT differen |
| 02:00.33 | Guerin | t |
| 02:00.42 | michal | Guerin: with the package management system called retardix? |
| 02:00.43 | ivan | it's better than this apt-get dependency hell + "fuck you use stable with 4-year old packages if you want security patches" wankfest |
| 02:00.52 | mrwill | Guerin: tardix is a bit of an insult to Dr.Who, don't you think? |
| 02:00.53 | Seb | initech: well my exim server *did* deliver it just fine to mail.gmx.net, that much I know |
| 02:00.55 | directhex | 2-year-old. |
| 02:00.56 | Guerin | michal: heh |
| 02:01.02 | Guerin | mrwill: that IS true |
| 02:01.03 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, AAC is mp4 which is pretty much mpeg. :) |
| 02:01.10 | cievo | ivan: for example I run my server on 300MB HDD (all shit except /home directories) |
| 02:01.11 | Seb | initech: then what happened on their side is a mystery... |
| 02:01.12 | directhex | mrwill, i ran out of steam on a doctor who joke halfway through |
| 02:01.18 | michal | Guerin: they're different enough that generally speaking a 128 aac sounds much like a 192 mp3 |
| 02:01.21 | ivan | cievo: for example i run my server on a 60GB harddrive |
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| 02:01.29 | ivan | that would give me room to install 6000 debian packages |
| 02:01.34 | Guerin | ivan: cope. |
| 02:01.36 | mrwill | directhex: that's a pity, this was a once in a lifetime opportunity. |
| 02:01.41 | directhex | mostly because mp3 has unimaginably poor frequency cutoff |
| 02:01.53 | cievo | ivan: that's probably why windows have 1 GB basic instalation :) |
| 02:01.53 | t-jack | michal: With a name like that, what would a pkgfile be? retardo? |
| 02:01.56 | directhex | why not go with realaudio while you're at it -_- |
| 02:01.58 | ivan | that's because you're encoding mp3s like an open source hippie |
| 02:02.01 | initech | Seb: what's the outgoign server? |
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| 02:02.01 | ivan | use LAME and joint-stereo |
| 02:02.10 | michal | t-jack: .trd .. or .tard |
| 02:02.10 | ivan | it's right in there in the options |
| 02:02.12 | simonrvn | and the file extension would be .ret |
| 02:02.17 | ivan | encode 192+ kbit |
| 02:02.25 | Seb | initech: the smarhost for my exim you mean ? It's mail.gmx.net. The email was intended to someone@aol.com |
| 02:02.36 | Guerin | ivan: why not just use the preset? VBR? |
| 02:02.36 | directhex | ivan, shut your hole, i really do know far more about this than you could ever hope to |
| 02:02.38 | simonrvn | cafuego_: afk, bb in about an hour |
| 02:02.45 | michal | i'm happy with itunes doing 320 vbr |
| 02:03.03 | directhex | 320... why the HELL do people use 320k on a lossy codec. the mind boggles |
| 02:03.12 | Guerin | michal: they do 320 VBR? |
| 02:03.14 | mechan0r | dependency hell belongs to redhat not debian so i really don't get what the fuss is |
| 02:03.22 | cievo | ivan : ok, that was just an example :) Why would I buy $1500 computer and run Windows if I can get it for $500 and it's much faster with linux on it ?! |
| 02:03.28 | initech | Seb: well, wtf, that ip has five ptr records |
| 02:03.29 | Guerin | michal: I thought they only did overpriced 128s? |
| 02:03.40 | Seb | initech: what is your point ? |
| 02:03.43 | michal | directhex: why not/? doesn't take up much more space and only actually uses 320 when there's a lot of detail |
| 02:03.54 | ivan | cievo: you must be getting your computer from a crappy place because you can always get a top-of-the-line windows computer for $1000 |
| 02:03.56 | michal | Guerin: i don't buy.. i encode my cd's |
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| 02:04.04 | ivan | cievo: it's your choice as to what OS to run on it though |
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| 02:04.05 | cievo | ivan : It's good how it is :-) |
| 02:04.06 | initech | Seb: that may be a problem, ip should only reverse to one name |
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| 02:04.18 | t-jack | mechan0r: Dependency link hell, my ass, they don't even include key pkgs at times. |
| 02:04.22 | Guerin | michal: in iTunes? Gah. You bought that farm. |
| 02:04.28 | Seb | initech: what IP are we talking about ? |
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| 02:04.34 | Seb | initech: 213.165.64.20 ? |
| 02:04.35 | cievo | ivan : yeah, it up to you what problems you want to run into :) |
| 02:04.41 | directhex | michal, because it's STILL lossy and you've STILL lost high and low frequencies, and you're STILL getting mpeg artefacts. if you really want the top quality, use FLAC |
| 02:04.45 | initech | Seb: 213.165.64.20 |
| 02:04.50 | michal | Guerin: there is no better program for managing music on a computer.. simple as that. |
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| 02:05.06 | Guerin | michal: I don't believe you. |
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| 02:05.11 | Seb | initech: i don't see why an IP shouldreverse-resolve to only one name ? That's what CNAMEs are for, man |
| 02:05.14 | cievo | all...what can THEY do when I have my laptop with high encrypted (non US) hardrive in US ? :))))) Will I get arrested ? :)))) |
| 02:05.17 | michal | directhex: most people can't tell the difference between a cd a 64kbit mono |
| 02:05.22 | directhex | itunes has a number of severe flaws |
| 02:05.30 | Guerin | michal: I've not used iTunes, but honestly... |
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| 02:05.37 | mechan0r | ok my /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware dir is like non existant is that bad |
| 02:05.43 | Seb | gumerry: iTunes is *da* shit indeed :) |
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| 02:05.51 | t-jack | mechan0r: Ever tried installing MDK 9.2dle kpovmoddler and find you have no povraytracer? |
| 02:05.52 | Guerin | michal: and using iTunes is supporting drm, so it's just plain wrong. |
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| 02:05.54 | directhex | Guerin, apt-get install rhythmbox, imagine that with a macos skin |
| 02:06.00 | ivan | i'll just compile most "unstable" packages into /usr/local |
| 02:06.04 | michal | Guerin: it's a fact.. at least when the primary concerns are ease of use, functionality, simplicity |
| 02:06.05 | Guerin | directhex: I uninstalled rhythmbox |
| 02:06.11 | ivan | "Python 2.3.4 is the current production version of Python" --python.org |
| 02:06.14 | initech | Seb: that has nothing to do with it; I am not sure that 5 ptr's will be a problem, but uit is against the RFC's, AFAIK; and there's no reason for it |
| 02:06.16 | ivan | "great let's stick it in unstable" |
| 02:06.18 | michal | Guerin: none of the music i have is drm |
| 02:06.18 | directhex | Guerin, have you bought any music online? |
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| 02:06.24 | Guerin | directhex: shitloads |
| 02:06.37 | hlen | how can I check the X resource values for a running application? |
| 02:06.42 | Guerin | michal: so? You still show on the radars as an itunes user. |
| 02:06.42 | initech | Seb: it's possible some mta's might choke on that |
| 02:06.46 | directhex | Guerin, in download form? which stores? |
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| 02:06.54 | Seb | initech: why couldn't they have 5 aliases (imap, pop, mail, etc...) for one IP ? |
| 02:06.57 | Guerin | directhex: allofmp3.com, a bit from emusic.com |
| 02:07.05 | michal | Guerin: good. u support apple. if they sold music here i might buy some of it |
| 02:07.10 | initech | Seb: you're thinking forward, not reverse |
| 02:07.14 | t-jack | I hate hte Drake. |
| 02:07.24 | michal | s/u/i |
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| 02:07.37 | Guerin | michal: No, I don't support apple. For many of the same reasons I don't support microsoft |
| 02:07.40 | Seb | initech: so you're saying aol's MTA, for instance, might choke on that ? |
| 02:07.41 | Guerin | ah |
| 02:07.50 | huhlig | on a new install |
| 02:07.50 | directhex | Guerin, allofmp3 aren't legal, so i've not bothered with what's essentially the same product as on kazaa |
| 02:07.54 | mechan0r | t-jack ever try installing redhat 8 cuz that's all you got and the CD kills your CD drive in the middle of the install then you have to attempt an rpm by rpm install |
| 02:07.55 | Seb | initech: (cuz my exim sends mails to mail.gmx.net just fine) |
| 02:07.58 | michal | Guerin: that's like comparing god with satan.. sure they're similar but they have different agendas |
| 02:08.08 | bubbles | Guerin, k the nvidia kernel is installed ( as well as the *common file for same)..now what... |
| 02:08.08 | initech | Seb: yes, aol is notoriously restrictive on reverse records |
| 02:08.14 | Guerin | directhex: allofmp3 SAY they are legal. Have you got a source saying otherwise, I'm interested. |
| 02:08.18 | directhex | microsoft will sell you a license to their tech. apple will say "nah nah we have tech you can;t have it so there" |
| 02:08.27 | Seb | initech: but see, 95% of the emails I send to @aol.com do get through |
| 02:08.30 | Guerin | bubbles: make sure you're all sorted and reboot into it? |
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| 02:08.40 | Seb | initech: which sorta defeats our current assumption, right ? |
| 02:08.40 | michal | directhex: but apple won't care if you reverse engineer it. ms will bankrupt you |
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| 02:08.45 | Guerin | michal: no, it's like comparing beelzebub with asmodeus |
| 02:08.48 | initech | Seb: well, can you reproduce the problem consistently? |
| 02:08.59 | directhex | michal, except playfair, where they'll sue you even in india |
| 02:09.07 | mechan0r | I applaud apple for not offering me a way to sell my soul |
| 02:09.07 | t-jack | mechan0r: Ouch. And I thought the French were bad... |
| 02:09.08 | bubbles | Guerin, but there's nothing showing in grub &/or /boot so how am I supposed to boot into it |
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| 02:09.11 | Seb | initech: nope, precisely my point, 95% of those emails go through fine |
| 02:09.29 | Guerin | bubbles: you installed the kernel, abut it's not in /boot? |
| 02:09.38 | initech | Seb: is this only with aol? |
| 02:09.40 | bubbles | Guerin, correct |
| 02:09.47 | michal | directhex: there's a difference between making the file usable on any hardware and removing copy protection entirely |
| 02:09.49 | Guerin | bubbles: then you haven't installed the kernel |
| 02:10.11 | bubbles | Guerin: >> Setting up nvidia-kernel-common (1.0.6106-1) ... |
| 02:10.11 | bubbles | Setting up nvidia-kernel-2.4.26-1-686 (1.0.6106+1) ... |
| 02:10.18 | Seb | initech: well I hope so :\ |
| 02:10.18 | cievo | Guerin : :) |
| 02:10.20 | Guerin | bubbles: I haven't used the nvidia kernels, so you might be better asking someone who has |
| 02:10.26 | bubbles | Guerin: ok |
| 02:10.37 | Seb | initech: but the gf said some of her emails dont' seem to get through either, and not to @aol.com |
| 02:10.40 | mechan0r | how does firmware.agent work |
| 02:10.43 | initech | Seb: well, aol.com has about 12 mx records, some of those hosts may be less restrictive than others |
| 02:10.43 | mechan0r | ? |
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| 02:10.47 | michal | jesus.. how far am i into a kernel compile when it's doing network drivers? |
| 02:10.54 | cievo | bubbles : did you try to look up what files that package copied to your harddrive ?! |
| 02:10.58 | Seb | initech: but then how come I don't get a bounce ? |
| 02:11.02 | directhex | Guerin, i'd have to fish for it, but the group they pay their license fees to - ROMS - don't pay the IFPI anymore, they only pay fees to the appropriate boards for plays & operas. ROMS are a radio licensor, btw. what allofmp3 pay, license wise, is to run a radio station of plays & opera. anything else is bwlow board |
| 02:11.11 | Seb | initech: I mean, just plain dropping emails is nasty |
| 02:11.17 | Guerin | michal: hard to tell. WHat's your cpu, how long's it been going? |
| 02:11.36 | michal | Guerin: it's been going for.. a WHILE. celeron 2.2ghz |
| 02:11.39 | Guerin | directhex: right. I'll go googling, I think. |
| 02:11.42 | loof | Ok, stupid question... is there any issue if your root in /etc/fstab is different than the root=.. you specify in your bootloader? |
| 02:11.44 | directhex | michal, there is? explain how there's a difference between cracking a key, and cracking a key & saving... |
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| 02:11.57 | loof | That is, will the /etc/fstab take priority...or will it just cause a conflict? |
| 02:12.04 | initech | Seb: because of the way aol does it ... they don;t send the sending server a proper refusal; they send a 220 coded message with text explaining they won't accept it (they should send a 5xx msg) |
| 02:12.15 | Guerin | michal: well, a stock debian kernel on my celery500 takes ~6 hours, so maybe about an hour, 90 minutes for you |
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| 02:12.26 | Seb | initech: interesting... |
| 02:12.27 | cievo | michal: in the middle :) |
| 02:12.29 | Guerin | I mean > 6 hours |
| 02:12.30 | initech | Seb: sounds like we got a decent theory going here ... |
| 02:12.33 | cievo | michal: is your hardrive slow ? did you set hdparm up ? |
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| 02:12.40 | bubbles | cievo, i looked where it seemed logical i'd find such files ie: /boot & grub DIR but nadda...frankly i'd be happy with my original kenrel-source but this debian install ( new installer) seemed to install a bastard version which isn't on the repositoriers LOL |
| 02:12.47 | michal | directhex: the fact that the end product is still protected. which is the only thing that the suppliers of the original music actually care about |
| 02:12.48 | initech | Seb: at least the last time I checked |
| 02:12.49 | tcsetattr | loof, since /etc/fstab is ON the root partition, by the time it's visible the root partition must already be mounted. |
| 02:12.51 | ivan | has anyone used the gcc3 backport from here? http://debian.ethz.ch/pub/debian-backports/pool/main/g/gcc-3.3/ |
| 02:12.53 | initech | Seb: with aol.com |
| 02:13.21 | michal | cievo: normally i could have built 4 kernels by now.. of course not with all the debian default options :/ |
| 02:13.24 | cievo | . |
| 02:13.28 | initech | Seb: so your mails are probably sitting on the server waiting for retries until it finally fails completely |
| 02:13.32 | cievo | Am I stil here or I got drop ?! |
| 02:13.34 | cievo | Hello ;) |
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| 02:13.41 | bubbles | hi cievo |
| 02:13.54 | michal | ivan: no.. normally we use the gcc3 backport form a shell |
| 02:14.03 | Seb | initech: for like more than 5 days ? |
| 02:14.11 | directhex | michal, the fact remains that i won't buy DRM. i don't buy "m4p" files, i don't buy wma files, i don't buy "compact discs" as sold on the high street these days. i borrow "cds" & rip them if possible, and i go to live acts. |
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| 02:14.36 | loof | tcsetattr: Yep, that is what I was thinking... but it might somehow remount the root based on the fstab :) |
| 02:14.43 | initech | try "telnet mailin-02.mx.aol.com 25" you will see what I mean |
| 02:14.52 | ivan | oh heh gcc 3 is in stable |
| 02:14.53 | tcsetattr | loof, I don't believe it's possible to do that. |
| 02:15.00 | michal | directhex: so you steal. as defined by current laws. |
| 02:15.00 | cievo | michal : did you try dpkg -L name_of_package ?! |
| 02:15.04 | Seb | initech: i thought 5 days was like *the* standard duration for retries. But I severely lack advanced knowledge of the SMTP RFCs and shit :) |
| 02:15.11 | tcsetattr | loof, however, initrd makes some weird things possible. |
| 02:15.12 | Guerin | ivan: it's generally not much use asking about specific backport repositories unless they're the really big ones - fabbione, dotdeb, backports.org, etc. |
| 02:15.14 | cievo | michal: it will tell you what files it installed on your machine ;) |
| 02:15.22 | michal | cievo: we've been through this. there is one option i need missing from the debian package |
| 02:15.32 | initech | Seb: standards don't mean shit when idiots are in charge |
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| 02:15.37 | cievo | michal: got it ? |
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| 02:15.43 | loof | Hmm, I'm basically stuck... my boot disk is rather small...and I plan to make it go away |
| 02:15.53 | loof | However, my 'root' disk is on RAID+LVM |
| 02:16.06 | loof | and mkinitrd makes an initrd that segfaults :P |
| 02:16.20 | directhex | michal, yeah, pretty much. i could make do with just my existing cd collection i suppose. but under british law it's illegal to rip a copyrighted cd to disk, and screw that. |
| 02:16.23 | initech | Seb: anyway, my current guess is that some of the aol servers are choking up on your mail relays (5)!!! PTR records |
| 02:16.34 | cievo | michal: what do you mean ? One depedency is missing ?! |
| 02:16.39 | loof | Is there any magic to make mkinitrd boot to a shell so you can manually test/configure the scripts? |
| 02:17.02 | michal | directhex: i don't know the actual law here but i suspect there is some sort of fair use. ie you can rip it as long as you bought it and you're ripping it for your own use. |
| 02:17.14 | michal | cievo: no. one kernel option is not enabled |
| 02:17.14 | Synapse- | no such law here |
| 02:17.30 | directhex | michal, i don't know whether australia has any fair-use laws. |
| 02:17.34 | Synapse- | but they publicly say that they hav never prosecuted for it |
| 02:17.36 | scarynetworkguy | michal, for now. Hatch is trying to change that |
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| 02:17.43 | cievo | michal: what do you mean ? So you already compiled kernel and you did make install and it did NOT installed itself ?! |
| 02:17.43 | directhex | oh. Synapse- knows. |
| 02:17.45 | wishie | where may i get /usr/bin/crontab ? |
| 02:17.53 | wishie | and dont say apt-get install cron, cause its not in there |
| 02:18.00 | cievo | michal: I'm sorry I just jumped into your conversation :) |
| 02:18.01 | michal | cievo: i think you're confused.. what do you think my problem is |
| 02:18.08 | wishie | although packages.debian.org swears that it is |
| 02:18.11 | directhex | wishie, sid upgrade? |
| 02:18.15 | xsdg | any chanops around? |
| 02:18.22 | wishie | im in sid, yeah |
| 02:18.22 | Synapse- | this is apra and aria and such people. |
| 02:18.25 | cievo | michal: no clue :0))) I thought that you did apt-get install WHATEVER and it didn't go through :) |
| 02:18.25 | Synapse- | !ops |
| 02:18.25 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
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| 02:18.38 | michal | scarynetworkguy: well america is trying to push us into some sort of millenium digital copyright bullshit |
| 02:18.42 | CowboyNeal | the cron page on bugs.debian.org has a url for a new cron deb that is fixed |
| 02:18.47 | t-jack | wishie: apt-cache search cron |
| 02:18.59 | initech | michal: america uber alles!!! :( |
| 02:19.02 | scarynetworkguy | michal, well yea |
| 02:19.03 | wishie | thanks CowboyNeal |
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| 02:19.38 | t-jack | initech: translate 'alles'? |
| 02:19.39 | directhex | michal, in europe, they're pushing for something less like the DMCA and more like INDUCE. the main MEP pushing for it just happens, by a stroke of COMPLETE coincidence, to be the wife of the head of vivendi universal music. |
| 02:19.40 | xsdg | anyway: can someone stick cron in BORKED in the topic? (#261897) |
| 02:19.45 | initech | oh no, not cowboy neal ... |
| 02:19.57 | zignig | xsdg: BORK ! |
| 02:20.09 | initech | t-jack: a twist on an infamous slogan ("all") |
| 02:20.12 | directhex | xsdg, i cheated. hasn't broken anything YET. |
| 02:20.15 | michal | australia might be an ok place to live but if you have dual citizenship i'd recommend travelling on another passport.. ANY other passport. Australia doesn't take care of it's citizens abroad |
| 02:20.18 | xsdg | zignig: b0rk b0rk b0rk! |
| 02:20.23 | xsdg | directhex: eh? |
| 02:20.31 | zignig | michal: true unfortunatly :( |
| 02:20.35 | Seb | initech: so, multiple PTRs is a direct violation of whatever RFC describes DNS ? |
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| 02:21.02 | initech | Seb: I believe so (anyone else?)? AFAIK, one PTR per ip, period |
| 02:21.29 | t-jack | michal: I'd like citizenship in Khirgizia... |
| 02:21.31 | wishie | awesome, that works |
| 02:21.36 | initech | Seb: it's actually that way for A records as well, but so many people disregard it no one cares |
| 02:21.42 | wishie | so i take it the new cron is on its way into sid ? |
| 02:21.43 | tcsetattr | multiple PTRs seem intuitively wrong to me, but I have not been able to find anything that officially forbids them |
| 02:21.47 | michal | the funny thing is that i have australian and polish citezenship.. and guess what countries are strongly supporting the war in iraq with troops on the ground? |
| 02:21.58 | wishie | thanks CowboyNeal |
| 02:22.30 | Seb | tcsetattr: heh |
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| 02:22.42 | Seb | michal: :D |
| 02:22.58 | initech | Seb: nevertheless, it seems possible to me that AOL's (custom written) smtp mx is expecting (1) PTR and may think "fuck off" if it doesn't get it |
| 02:23.10 | Seb | initech: sounds probable indeed :) |
| 02:23.19 | t-jack | michal: Oh did you hear one of our (USA) investigative commisions is now eyeing Iran as a terrrierist haven? |
| 02:23.28 | Seb | initech: but other regular MTAs wouldn't choke on it, thoguh ? |
| 02:23.32 | initech | hmm .. send an email to me ... tim@it.kpt.cc |
| 02:23.37 | directhex | t-jack, what's the oil content of iran? |
| 02:23.43 | michal | t-jack: how convenient.. do they have some useful natural resources? |
| 02:23.47 | zignig | t-jack: yeah , surprise , surprise ;P |
| 02:23.49 | t-jack | oil |
| 02:23.53 | initech | seb depends ... running exim3 here |
| 02:24.05 | *** mode/#debian [+o Rez] by ChanServ |
| 02:24.05 | q_a_z_steve | can anyone help me get gnucash going on a windows box? |
| 02:24.10 | zignig | t-jack: Operation Iranian Liberation ( O.I.L ) |
| 02:24.14 | michal | well that must surely be a coincidence |
| 02:24.28 | michal | zignig: lol |
| 02:24.28 | Seb | initech: sent it |
| 02:24.40 | cievo | all...if I put in /etc/hosts.allow something like sshd : ALL EXCEPT some_ip, will it block that ip out ? |
| 02:24.41 | Rez | READ THE FAQ: /msg dpkg faq | READ THE BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian != Knoppix | Spambots? /msg dpkg nospambot | Base+Standard will freeze on the 31st of July | Visit the Debian Booth at LWCE SF! Meet dondelelcaro | SECURITY: PHP4 in woody [DSA 531-1] | BORKED: cron (#261897) | FIXED: libstdc++5-3.3-dev (#260514) |
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| 02:24.50 | xsdg | Rez: grazie |
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| 02:25.08 | directhex | that was a /say not a /topic |
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| 02:25.14 | xsdg | rofl |
| 02:25.16 | t-jack | Rez onation? |
| 02:25.22 | xsdg | Rez: "oops" :o) |
| 02:25.24 | Rez | damn... man... to f'n drunk ;) |
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| 02:25.31 | Guerin | hahah |
| 02:25.31 | *** topic/#debian by Rez -> READ THE FAQ: /msg dpkg faq | READ THE BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian != Knoppix | Spambots? /msg dpkg nospambot | Base+Standard will freeze on the 31st of July | Visit the Debian Booth at LWCE SF! Meet dondelelcaro | SECURITY: PHP4 in woody [DSA 531-1] | BORKED: cron (#261897) | FIXED: libstdc++5-3.3-dev (#260514) |
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| 02:25.38 | code_01 | somebody from netherland? |
| 02:25.41 | Guerin | drunken ops, ph33r |
| 02:25.44 | cievo | all...why if I'm connected to the server and I do /etc/init.d/ssh restart it does NOT disconnect me ?! :) |
| 02:25.47 | michal | neverland? |
| 02:25.47 | t-jack | Rez olve |
| 02:25.48 | gnome- | i have a printer hooked up to a machine... what device should it be if its usb? |
| 02:25.51 | gnome- | /dev/lp0? |
| 02:25.53 | Rez | just kidding :) |
| 02:25.58 | directhex | Guerin, drunken ops in a room this big is fun |
| 02:26.01 | xsdg | gnome-: /dev/usb/lp0? |
| 02:26.02 | code_01 | may be |
| 02:26.08 | code_01 | where are you from? |
| 02:26.10 | gnome- | thanks xsdg |
| 02:26.12 | initech | Seb: interesting, my MTA resolved it as pop.gmx.net, so it chose just one and went with it |
| 02:26.13 | cievo | gnome- : lsusb |
| 02:26.14 | mrwill | cievo: won't disconnect existing connections, nice huh? |
| 02:26.17 | Guerin | Rez: sure you are ... and I'm not irc'ing naked either. |
| 02:26.23 | cievo | mrwill : yeah :) nice :) |
| 02:26.23 | xsdg | cievo: good call |
| 02:26.28 | Rez | Guerin: TMI |
| 02:26.28 | gnome- | silly me |
| 02:26.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:26.37 | gnome- | i didn't compile in usb printer support |
| 02:26.40 | Seb | initech: I see |
| 02:26.40 | gnome- | to my kernel |
| 02:26.56 | cievo | gnome- : you can try lsusb -v ;) |
| 02:27.05 | cievo | gnome- : gives you enought info about it ;0 |
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| 02:27.24 | directhex | right. half 3. bed for real this time. |
| 02:27.35 | cievo | gnome- : than forget about it :) |
| 02:27.44 | michal | this kernel better finish compiling sometime in the next 15 minutes :/ |
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| 02:27.50 | Guerin | directhex: well, according to what I can find on teh intarweb, allofmp3 is legal in Russia due to a legislational loophole nobody feels like blocking or fighting, but it may be illegal in some other countries. |
| 02:27.53 | cievo | gnome- : if you don't compile with some support than how you expect to work !? |
| 02:28.08 | john_k_123 | Is it just me or does debian ustable seem more stable than debian testing? |
| 02:28.15 | Guerin | john_k_123: it's just you |
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| 02:28.31 | directhex | Guerin, try t order the information chronologically. the IFPI/ROMS disagreement is recent |
| 02:28.34 | gnome- | cievo |
| 02:28.36 | gnome- | i didn't |
| 02:28.38 | gnome- | it was a mistake |
| 02:28.39 | gnome- | you ass fuck |
| 02:28.42 | michal | no i think unstable is more stable. bug fixes make it into unstable faster |
| 02:28.43 | Guerin | directhex: right, ok. |
| 02:28.48 | code_01 | how I can configure the keymap in boot???????????? |
| 02:28.49 | cievo | all...cool line in man lsusb >> -x This option is reserved for future use. |
| 02:28.52 | Seb | initech: i'm so pissed right now, I just switched email providers last week, and now I have to deal with this 'silently undelivered' shit !!! |
| 02:28.57 | Guerin | man, that's one angry gnome |
| 02:28.57 | michal | but so do bugs :) |
| 02:28.59 | Seb | initech: I'll go get a pint too |
| 02:29.00 | code_01 | all time i need change |
| 02:29.01 | cievo | gnome- ? |
| 02:29.08 | Seb | initech: btw, what's .cc ? |
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| 02:29.24 | cievo | Seb : Carbon Copy (Blind copy) |
| 02:29.28 | michal | Guerin: lol |
| 02:29.33 | Seb | cievo: very nice but no |
| 02:29.40 | Seb | cievo: i was asking aboutt the country domain |
| 02:29.43 | cievo | se :-DDD |
| 02:29.43 | scarynetworkguy | I wonder how that happened |
| 02:29.47 | Rez | gnome-: watch the language |
| 02:29.49 | initech | Seb: some islabnd off the coast of austrailia i think :-) |
| 02:29.54 | cievo | Seb : I did not see that . ;) |
| 02:29.59 | Seb | cievo: np :)) |
| 02:30.09 | michal | initech: silamabad is not off the coast of australia |
| 02:30.12 | initech | Seb: but I like two letter tld's and they sell them cheap |
| 02:30.16 | michal | neither is islamabad |
| 02:30.21 | Seb | initech: hehehe |
| 02:30.32 | initech | michal: island i meant |
| 02:30.51 | cievo | all...does any1 have Creative webcam working ?! |
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| 02:31.01 | deadcat | anyone know how to use devilspie to disable the border color for aterm? i am using openbox. |
| 02:31.02 | initech | i'm american but i know where islamabad is, honest! |
| 02:31.04 | Seb | michal: your fuzzy matchign needs some tuning, man :> |
| 02:31.22 | lafrance | have no problem with creative web cam and deb |
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| 02:31.32 | Guerin | initech: I don't believe you. |
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| 02:31.35 | initech | Seb: i need a non membrane keyboard as well |
| 02:31.38 | michal | Seb: my fuzzy is not machining than you very much |
| 02:31.41 | initech | Guerin: pakistan |
| 02:31.42 | cievo | initech : you are one of the luckiest american :) you know where other states are :) |
| 02:31.49 | Guerin | initech: I bet you googled :P |
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| 02:31.53 | dondelelcaro | thomas_adam: they're sopapillas |
| 02:31.55 | Seb | michal: "fuzzy matching" gee |
| 02:32.04 | initech | Guerin: fuck off .. i read asia times religeously |
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| 02:32.09 | initech | :-) |
| 02:32.14 | bubbles | thx those that replied for trying to help..but I still am confused as to WTH to do to get nvidia working ;(..I have the nvidia kernel installed but nothing is showing up in /boot or grub's menu.lst showing my system knows about it..what am I missing to get this nvidia driver to compile/run ? ;-)))) |
| 02:32.16 | Guerin | initech: easy, tiger, I'm taking the piss. |
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| 02:32.49 | michal | cafuego: that friggin kernel is STILL compiling! |
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| 02:32.59 | cievo | bubbles : did you compile kernel or you downloaded alrady compiled kernel ?! :) |
| 02:32.59 | Seb | Guerin: bon toi avec un nom pareil si tu parles pas francais... :> |
| 02:33.00 | lafrance | bubbles did you recompile the kernel with nvidia? |
| 02:33.01 | jetscreamer | bubbles so just out of curiosity,debian glx package, or nvidia-installer |
| 02:33.11 | cievo | michal: slow HDD ? :) |
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| 02:33.11 | lafrance | oops to slow :p |
| 02:33.15 | Guerin | Seb: No, I'm not french. |
| 02:33.21 | initech | Guerin: besides, I'm not really american, I'm from louisiana |
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| 02:33.26 | Guerin | initech: hahah |
| 02:33.29 | Seb | Guerin: I was merely asking if you spoke it :) |
| 02:33.29 | michal | cievo: well perhaps.. i should have compile off the other hdd |
| 02:33.35 | Seb | initech: heh, nice |
| 02:33.45 | michal | cievo: 4200rpm 2.5" |
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| 02:33.49 | cievo | michal: is your hdparm setted up ? :) |
| 02:33.53 | Guerin | Seb: Yeah, I understood. I just figured I'd cut to the chanse. |
| 02:34.00 | Guerin | s/chanse/chase/ |
| 02:34.03 | michal | cievo: yes it's all maxed out |
| 02:34.03 | cievo | michal: cuz DMA is not set by default :) |
| 02:34.05 | initech | louisiana wasn't considered "american" till around 1950 or so |
| 02:34.08 | noseman | debian package for kylix 3? |
| 02:34.14 | cievo | michal: i c ;) |
| 02:34.23 | Guerin | initech: when did it become part of the union? |
| 02:34.28 | michal | cievo: which begs the question.. is there any way to set everything on by default? ie no hdparm required |
| 02:34.32 | initech | Guerin: 1803 |
| 02:34.45 | jetscreamer | texas NEVER became part of the union, it was ALL A LIE |
| 02:34.47 | code_01 | Somebody know to say me how I can set the language form mozilla???? |
| 02:34.47 | Guerin | initech: but on the outside for all that time, how curious |
| 02:35.12 | initech | Guerin: in new orleans french was commonly spoken throughout the thirties |
| 02:35.15 | michal | so right now you have a foreigner as a president? |
| 02:35.18 | cievo | michal: I know that there is a kernel option to FORCE DMA but I'm not sure about 32-bit reading stuff ;) |
| 02:35.19 | Guerin | jetscreamer: hahah, my friend from Texas always said that, too |
| 02:35.27 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer, that would mean that W could not be president and I just ain't that lucky |
| 02:35.30 | initech | in south LA many people still only speak (cajun) french |
| 02:35.30 | Guerin | initech: yeah. |
| 02:35.37 | michal | cievo: but that's SUPPOSED to be enabled by the bios :/ |
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| 02:35.38 | jetscreamer | bush isn't really from texas |
| 02:35.39 | cievo | michal: i put it as an script and start it everytime I start computer to make sure I get the max :) |
| 02:35.45 | X13[SantaCruz] | Anybody have a gmail invite for me? |
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| 02:36.01 | Guerin | bush is from Connecticut or some whitebread place like that |
| 02:36.07 | michal | cievo: you don't need to make your own script.. debian has one packaged |
| 02:36.12 | cievo | michal: It's not :) If your kernel does NOT support it than you can do what ever you want :) |
| 02:36.20 | bubbles | cievo, wont compile from the NV*.runsaying I dont hagve needed headers or something like that I believe |
| 02:36.23 | cievo | michal: I know but that package I don't like :) |
| 02:36.29 | bubbles | lafrance, what kernel |
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| 02:36.35 | jetscreamer | yeah when george sr 'lived' in houston, he lived in a fucking hotel... a very expensive hotel, but a hotel |
| 02:36.37 | bubbles | jetscreamer, no I apt-get |
| 02:36.39 | michal | cievo: what don't you like about it? |
| 02:36.44 | toolchest | michal: no, bush is from Conneticut. |
| 02:36.52 | cievo | bubbles : Hmmm...oki, now I remember :) And what did it eactly said ?! |
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| 02:36.53 | bubbles | jetscreamer, sorry LOL>...no I apt'get'd the nvidia kernel file and the *common file.. |
| 02:37.00 | jetscreamer | bubbles, that's the debian glx package then ok |
| 02:37.02 | epictetus | what's like, a misc. scroll channel here on this network |
| 02:37.04 | lafrance | bubbles once you download nvidia you need to make sure you recompile it with your kernel |
| 02:37.05 | toolchest | michal: he's just a cowboy poseur. |
| 02:37.05 | cievo | michal: it's not "my way" script :) |
| 02:37.12 | michal | what abourt jeb? |
| 02:37.15 | Guerin | epictetus: #flood? |
| 02:37.17 | epictetus | this whole IRC network is pretty surreal |
| 02:37.20 | initech | does anyone make "Nuke Texas" tshirts? |
| 02:37.26 | michal | cievo: how is your way better than the debian way? |
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| 02:37.33 | bubbles | cievo: well it installed/setup just fine..but nothing is showing up in /boot or /usr/src or /boot/grub//menu.lst |
| 02:37.37 | cievo | michal: I don't know how you , but I like colors so I change my scripts to color outputs :) |
| 02:37.42 | jetscreamer | yes, the guy who nukes louisianna first |
| 02:37.45 | bubbles | lafrance, well |
| 02:38.00 | michal | cievo: that's the redhat way! |
| 02:38.01 | cievo | bubbles: what do you mean is installed ? did you do make install or what ?! |
| 02:38.01 | lafrance | look in xfree86 |
| 02:38.10 | cievo | michal: yeah kinda :) |
| 02:38.18 | bubbles | lafrance, theodd thing is..this debian install came with 2.4.25-1-386 yet there is NO such kenrel-source to obtain from apt-get to MATCH ...without matching it..the nvidia driver wont compile right |
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| 02:38.25 | lafrance | see if indeed nvidia kernel install |
| 02:38.28 | bubbles | cievo: no I apt-get'd it |
| 02:38.30 | jetscreamer | bubbles, i think they're saying you need to compile a kernel to get that package working |
| 02:38.31 | michal | cievo: i don't care as there's nobody ever watching the screen unsless they're trying to fix a problem |
| 02:38.35 | cievo | michal: I was raised on RH, but now I hate it :) But I loved that funky color stuff on the begginng :))) |
| 02:38.35 | initech | jetscreamer: we're already as nuked as can be with all the fucking chemical plants and shit here |
| 02:38.45 | xsdg | bubbles: are you the bubbles that used to frequent #freenode? |
| 02:38.46 | jetscreamer | hell we have a few... :/ |
| 02:38.49 | lafrance | oh I bought the 7 cd version |
| 02:38.55 | bubbles | xsdg, nope |
| 02:38.55 | cievo | michal : :) But I like my booting my way :) |
| 02:39.00 | xsdg | ok :o) |
| 02:39.01 | bubbles | xsdg, but thx for asking |
| 02:39.04 | cievo | michal: it's just a way i like it |
| 02:39.09 | lafrance | let me see if my tech is online he can compile it for you via ssh |
| 02:39.13 | cievo | bubbles : oki, you did apt-get install THAT_PACKAGE ?! |
| 02:39.18 | bubbles | cievo: yes |
| 02:39.21 | michal | cievo: i could just pretend it's booting my way and i wouldn't know it isn't |
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| 02:39.38 | bubbles | cievo:apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.4.26-1-686 nvidia-kernel-common |
| 02:39.45 | cievo | michal: ??? |
| 02:39.48 | bubbles | cievo: that what I did |
| 02:39.50 | safrican | hi!.. um.. i cannot install KDE. :-/ it says broken packages.. how can i um.. get over the broken package thing ? |
| 02:40.07 | jetscreamer | bubbles, that's probably step one out of 10 or so |
| 02:40.11 | cievo | bubbles: oki...do for me dpkg -l | grep nvidia and paste it into #flood, ok ? |
| 02:40.13 | bubbles | jetscreamer, ouch |
| 02:40.13 | jetscreamer | fyi |
| 02:40.19 | jetscreamer | it's ok |
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| 02:40.24 | bubbles | ;-) |
| 02:40.24 | jetscreamer | jsu tlisten to them |
| 02:40.28 | bubbles | cievo: checking |
| 02:40.29 | michal | cievo: well it's not like i could see how it's booting |
| 02:40.29 | jetscreamer | afk byebye |
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| 02:40.39 | safrican | i did apt-get install kde but it said kdegraphics cannot be installed' due to kamera and i tried installing kamera and it says broken packages |
| 02:40.42 | code_01 | Somebody know the region-lang from mozilla to I set in my PC? |
| 02:40.42 | safrican | :-/ |
| 02:40.47 | michal | i wish there was a way to make booting MUCH faster :/ |
| 02:40.48 | bubbles | cievo: k will do |
| 02:41.02 | cievo | michal: yeah....that's right :) faster would help ;) |
| 02:41.07 | michal | like embedded device fast |
| 02:41.11 | deadcat | safrican: you just answered your own question |
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| 02:41.23 | cievo | michal: they shoudl do somethign like multitasting at the booting process, don't you think ?! |
| 02:41.47 | michal | cievo: not sure i know what you mean by that exactly |
| 02:42.30 | michal | i just can't see any reason why booting takes so long.. all these drivers that aren't needed.. and that's even if you build a kernel that only supports your stuff. |
| 02:42.37 | cievo | michal: for example now you gor one service by one...right ?! |
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| 02:42.54 | michal | cievo: oh.. you mean some sort of multithreaded bootscripts? |
| 02:43.00 | safrican | deadcat: i was hoping there was a solution to the Broken Packages thing.. isn't there ? or is it possible for me to get KDE from Testing ? |
| 02:43.35 | dondelelcaro | safrican: if you want to install KDE from testing on woody, you'll need to use a backport |
| 02:43.41 | Guerin | ok, wish me luck, people |
| 02:43.53 | michal | Guerin: for what? |
| 02:43.55 | deadcat | safrican: taht would just create more version problem |
| 02:44.11 | Guerin | nuking my whole damn kit, I'm doing a lot of data movement |
| 02:44.27 | safrican | um.. one sec.. |
| 02:44.28 | safrican | brb |
| 02:44.32 | michal | Guerin: ahh.. i do that a lot.. i always lose something |
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| 02:45.16 | michal | bah.. the kernel isn't going to build in time |
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| 02:45.20 | Guerin | michal: yeah, well, I'm only doing it because I need to swap some drives around |
| 02:45.42 | michal | Guerin: hope you're building a new kernel or using the default debian one |
| 02:46.58 | Guerin | michal: yeah, just moving shit aroun d at this stage. |
| 02:47.37 | michal | Guerin: odds are if you move your existing self-built kernel it won't work any more |
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| 02:48.11 | Guerin | michal: I know how to work these things out, don't worry. |
| 02:49.03 | michal | Guerin: you're lucky.. nobody else does. including me.. no amount of setting root partitions correctly or modifying boot paramaters solves these problems |
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| 02:49.41 | DJpsych | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.02 | michal | i wish i timed this kernel build.. i'm sure it's been going for almost 2 hours |
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| 02:51.23 | emumaster | greetings all, I'm having problems with dpkg, apt-get, aptitude, etc. Keep getting segmentation faults and possibly md5sum errors, can anyone point me where to start diagnosing/fixing the problem? |
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| 02:52.04 | DJpsych | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.31 | scarynetworkguy | DJpsych, is this a new install using the sarge install disks? |
| 02:53.01 | Huey | can the ati all-in-wonder provide tv-out for television sets that have "cable antenna" as the only input? |
| 02:53.03 | DJpsych | New install using the install floppies download as you go |
| 02:53.08 | t-jack | Is there a video processing app(s) for Debian that can replace missing pixxels in a poorly coded mpeg? |
| 02:53.11 | Huey | without the use of a rf modulator, tha tis |
| 02:53.25 | scarynetworkguy | DJpsych, so not the sarge install disks? |
| 02:53.32 | DJpsych | no |
| 02:53.48 | scarynetworkguy | DJpsych, did you install a kernel-image? |
| 02:53.50 | ReVisions | y when i scanning my computer for open ports i see port 25 open? (smtp), i didnt install smtp =\ |
| 02:53.56 | michal | btw.. does anyone know why the debian-install disks don't yet support ich5 in 2.6.x but DO support it in 2.4.x ? it's weird.. backwards |
| 02:53.56 | DJpsych | no |
| 02:54.14 | scarynetworkguy | DJpsych, self build kernel? |
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| 02:54.42 | DJpsych | well I boot the rescue.bin the boot.bin and i get the error when runnign boot.bin |
| 02:54.52 | michal | ahh.. the kernel is FINALLY finishing building.. |
| 02:55.06 | scarynetworkguy | DJpsych, is it failing on an install? |
| 02:55.13 | DJpsych | Yeah |
| 02:55.19 | DJpsych | on the boot.bin image |
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| 02:55.42 | scarynetworkguy | DJpsych, have you tried another disk? |
| 02:55.48 | DJpsych | yeah |
| 02:55.56 | michal | only took 1 hour 35 mins |
| 02:55.58 | safrican | i did `links2 -g` and all the getty's became squares and gibberish |
| 02:55.59 | safrican | :( |
| 02:56.08 | safrican | and i could only startx |
| 02:56.09 | safrican | :-/ |
| 02:56.13 | gnome- | when i print a test page it gets canceled :( |
| 02:56.21 | safrican | what was wrong and how can i get it back ? |
| 02:56.23 | Caez | DTpsych: have you tried formatting the disk then writing the image? |
| 02:56.24 | gnome- | yet echo test << /dev/usb/lp0 works |
| 02:56.33 | DJpsych | This is like the oldest computer in the world what disks woul dyou recomend it doesn't even have PSI |
| 02:56.37 | scarynetworkguy | time to walk |
| 02:56.41 | guk | what is the printer in linux /dev/somthing ? |
| 02:56.46 | guk | well ... printer port |
| 02:56.48 | gnome- | yes |
| 02:56.51 | gnome- | /dev/usb/lp0 |
| 02:57.02 | guk | usb ? |
| 02:57.05 | gnome- | yes |
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| 02:57.10 | gnome- | yet echo test << /dev/usb/lp0 works |
| 02:57.12 | gnome- | i said that |
| 02:57.17 | gnome- | i mean >>'s i think :) |
| 02:57.32 | gnome- | but at any rate prting through cups's web based deal doesn't work |
| 02:57.42 | Caez | DJpsych: i would recommend bf2.4 it works on my Compaq lte 5300, 133mhz pentium |
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| 02:58.02 | simonrvn | cafuego_: re |
| 02:58.48 | Caez | djpsych: when you format the floppy, it will mark bad blocks and helps make those work better |
| 02:59.34 | safrican | i think something is wrong with my FrameBuffer.. |
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| 03:02.20 | sput | hello! |
| 03:02.30 | bubbles | hi! |
| 03:02.31 | emumaster | dpkg parse error, in file /var/lib/dpkg/available = ?? @_@ |
| 03:02.31 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, emumaster |
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| 03:03.03 | sput | i installed debian on my sparcstation, trying to set up a web server.. i tried apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 and it couldn;t find it |
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| 03:03.12 | sput | does mod-php come as a different name? |
| 03:03.16 | Guerin | what causes cfdisk to be unable to reread a partition table after writing? Same thing that would cause mkfs.ext3 to brok when trying to create a filesystem on the drive? |
| 03:04.08 | sput | better yet, where can i find a list of packages that i can get using apt-get? |
| 03:04.17 | toolchest | sput: apt-cache search |
| 03:04.25 | sput | thanks! |
| 03:04.30 | toolchest | np |
| 03:05.02 | dumbintel | whats the c-compiler pkg called? |
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| 03:05.16 | sput | ok it found libapache2-mod-php4, will that work with apache 1.3.x? |
| 03:05.21 | The_Vulture | dumbintel: gcc? |
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| 03:06.13 | dondelelcaro | dumbintel: just apt-get install build-essential |
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| 03:06.39 | dondelelcaro | sput: you want php4 |
| 03:06.44 | dondelelcaro | sput: not libapache2-mod-php |
| 03:06.45 | emumaster | anyone know why my dpkg keeps segfaulting? apt-get check and apt-get update work fine. |
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| 03:06.57 | dondelelcaro | emumaster: paste the error to #flood |
| 03:07.09 | sput | hmm.. ok, thanks donde* |
| 03:07.20 | Caez | how long does make modules take? |
| 03:07.31 | dondelelcaro | Caez: as long as it takes? |
| 03:07.32 | emumaster | dondelelcaro: k thanks. |
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| 03:08.24 | toolchest | dondelelcaro: what's this i read in the topic about php4 in woody being borked? |
| 03:08.55 | toolchest | dondelelcaro: never mind, didn't see the seperator. |
| 03:09.00 | dondelelcaro | toolchest: read the topic carefully. It's not borked. It's got a security issue which was fixed in DSA 531-1 |
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| 03:10.25 | toolchest | dondelelcaro: it's all this time spend on /. don't read much of anything (carefully) anymore ;) |
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| 03:10.42 | dondelelcaro | toolchest: yeah, that sort of trash will rot your brain. ;-) |
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| 03:16.19 | toolchest | dondelcaro: but it's not just the dot that's at fault. now that i do a lot of "reading" online, i find i don't have the patience for actual books anymore. |
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| 03:17.01 | wishie | if i wanted to download files 001.jpg 002.jpg 003.jpg etc, how would i go about this using bash and wget ? |
| 03:17.04 | dondelelcaro | toolchest: hrm. scary... |
| 03:17.10 | dondelelcaro | wishie: doing pr0n eh? |
| 03:17.21 | dondelelcaro | wishie: wget 00{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}.jpg |
| 03:17.21 | wishie | wallpapers actually |
| 03:17.27 | dondelelcaro | same difference |
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| 03:17.37 | wishie | can i use for though ? |
| 03:17.44 | wishie | id like to learn how to use that at the same time.. |
| 03:17.47 | dondelelcaro | wishie: yes, but that's lame. |
| 03:18.10 | wishie | well, how can i specify 001 to 050.jpg ? |
| 03:18.14 | dondelelcaro | wishie: you want to just run wget once, and have it do them all. The command that I gave you expands to wget 001.jpg 002.jpg etc. |
| 03:18.15 | toolchest | dondelelcaro: yeah, so much for the theory the web leads to improved literacy. |
| 03:18.29 | exobyte | Why would a USB M$ intelimouse stop responing (moving), but unplugging and replugging it fixes the problem? restarting hotplug does NOT work |
| 03:18.48 | tcsetattr | with zsh you can say wget http://foo/bar/{001..050}.jpg |
| 03:19.17 | dondelelcaro | wishie: if you want 01 to 50, seq -w 1 50|xargs -i wget 0'{}'.jpg |
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| 03:21.19 | wishie | ok, thanks |
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| 03:21.36 | dabreegster | hi |
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| 03:24.41 | initech | dondelelcaro: hmm, nice |
| 03:25.08 | exobyte | anyone have a dual athlon tyan board? |
| 03:25.31 | Jambon | is the command for installing a debian package that's downloaded as a file dpkg -i "packagename" ? |
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| 03:25.39 | exobyte | gumerry: that doesn't help |
| 03:25.47 | sput | how do i configure my network settings with debian? |
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| 03:26.02 | exobyte | sput: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:26.05 | exobyte | iirc |
| 03:26.06 | Kvant | Jambon, dpkg -i FILENAME.deb |
| 03:26.07 | Guerin | Jambon: you didn't try it, did you? |
| 03:26.13 | sput | gracias |
| 03:26.19 | Guerin | sput: man interfaces tells you how |
| 03:26.21 | exobyte | np |
| 03:26.30 | exobyte | fuck the f-in man |
| 03:26.31 | Jambon | kvant: dat's what a i meant. tanks |
| 03:26.47 | Guerin | !flw1 |
| 03:26.47 | dpkg | somebody said flw1 was <coachz> i don't need no stinking docs |
| 03:26.54 | sput | will that allow me to set ip, subnet mask, dns, etc? |
| 03:27.07 | exobyte | yup |
| 03:27.10 | exobyte | or use dhcp |
| 03:27.11 | Guerin | sput: the whole damn kit is configured in that file |
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| 03:27.23 | sput | awesome, thanks guys |
| 03:27.26 | exobyte | just remember to ifdown when you change it |
| 03:27.29 | exobyte | and ifup |
| 03:27.43 | sput | i'm a slackware user normally, so this is new to me |
| 03:27.53 | sput | debian runs on my sparc box which is cool |
| 03:27.56 | sput | :) |
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| 03:28.08 | exobyte | so- anyway- I'm trying to decide if the $200 premium on a new model non-used board is worth it, compared to ebay |
| 03:28.16 | exobyte | on a dual athlon tyan |
| 03:28.25 | JoshTriplett | What locale settings would I use if I just want UTF-8 to be displayed correctly, but still want correct ASCIIbetical sorting, and don't want any slowdowns due to internationalization? |
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| 03:28.48 | mwilson | Why would internationalization slow anything down? |
| 03:28.49 | Randy | my 2 cents is that ebay sucks dick for electronics, everyone is ripping everyone off |
| 03:28.54 | JoshTriplett | exobyte: Remember that it's being sold for a reason. Don't buy someone else's problem. |
| 03:28.57 | peterS | JoshTriplett: I guess C.UTF-8 |
| 03:29.01 | peterS | JoshTriplett: but that's only a guess |
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| 03:29.06 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Does that work? |
| 03:29.12 | Randy | what happens once you dont get your stuff you ordered on ebay? WAKE UP to reality, nothing happens, your screwed |
| 03:29.14 | jackinglack | how do you find out your mobo specs |
| 03:29.16 | The_Vulture | JoshTriplett: umm askii is a subset of utf-8 |
| 03:29.19 | exobyte | JoshTriplett: except upgrading. I have sold due to that before |
| 03:29.23 | peterS | JoshTriplett: shrug. I'm still in the paleolithic world of single-byte characters |
| 03:29.24 | The_Vulture | s/askii/ascii/ |
| 03:29.34 | mwilson | jackinglack: Uh, you learn how to read? |
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| 03:29.40 | exobyte | JoshTriplett: it was also an intel cpu, so what could go wrong? |
| 03:29.46 | The_Vulture | so if you sort utf8 text that's just ascii (all ascii is valid utf8) then it'll sort just fine |
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| 03:30.01 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I just want apt-listchanges and less to not show UTF-8 as <C3><B1>. |
| 03:30.04 | jackinglack | vwilson: HUH? |
| 03:30.26 | mwilson | The_Vulture: Not so... C and en_US sort differently, for example, and neither is UTF-8. |
| 03:30.28 | JoshTriplett | The_Vulture: Nope. I want A before Z before a before z. |
| 03:30.34 | peterS | JoshTriplett: well, try it. if it doesn't work, you'll have to go with en_US.UTF-8 or similar, I suppose. |
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| 03:31.09 | peterS | JoshTriplett: you might also try setting only LC_MESSAGES, as opposed to LANG or LC_ALL |
| 03:31.17 | peterS | JoshTriplett: that way sorting and so forth *shouldn't* be affected |
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| 03:31.28 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I don't want MESSAGES. I think I might want CTYPE. |
| 03:31.31 | Randy | Do not buy electronics on ebay |
| 03:31.44 | Guerin | jackinglack: 1) find out your mobo model 2) read its manual 3) google |
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| 03:31.45 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Locales other than C slow things down due to the different processing of characters. I don't know the details. But sort and other text processing tools get significantly slower. |
| 03:31.50 | The_Vulture | JoshTriplett: utf8 is a superset of ascii, any ascii is valid utf8 and any utf8 containing only valid ascii characters is ascii.. |
| 03:31.51 | tcsetattr | JoshTriplett, how about export LESSCHARSET=utf-8 |
| 03:31.56 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I'll try that. |
| 03:31.59 | tcsetattr | together with start_unicode |
| 03:31.59 | The_Vulture | so I'm not sure what you are talking about |
| 03:32.00 | peterS | JoshTriplett: yeah, possibly CTYPE |
| 03:32.01 | mwilson | peterS: I think what you mean is to set LANG=en_US.UTF-8, and set LC_COLLATE=C |
| 03:32.04 | JoshTriplett | tcsetattr: Interesting. |
| 03:32.11 | peterS | mwilson: or that, I suppose |
| 03:32.22 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: I don't think I want en_US. I really want C. |
| 03:32.39 | JoshTriplett | The_Vulture: Yes. That's correct. Yet not what I'm talking about. :) |
| 03:32.39 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Why? |
| 03:32.44 | jackinglack | how do you know mobo spec from command like /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 03:32.54 | mwilson | jackinglack: You don't, of course. |
| 03:32.55 | peterS | jackinglack: you don't |
| 03:32.58 | brontitall | JoshTriplett: I think that C and utf8 are mutually exclusive |
| 03:32.59 | peterS | jackinglack: check out 'dmidecode' |
| 03:33.15 | jackinglack | what is dmidecode |
| 03:33.18 | peterS | jackinglack: if dmidecode can't tell you about your motherboard, you're probably out of luck. apparently not all motherboard vendors implement everything in DMI correctly |
| 03:33.22 | JoshTriplett | The_Vulture: You know the way Makefile and README come at the beginning of an ls listing? LC_COLLATE!=C breaks that. |
| 03:33.27 | peterS | jackinglack: it's a Debian package. apt-get install it and see |
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| 03:33.45 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: I don't need internationalization. I just want UTF-8 characters to show up correctly. |
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| 03:34.00 | The_Vulture | JoshTriplett: can't say I've ever noticed or relied on that |
| 03:34.08 | JoshTriplett | The_Vulture: Heh. |
| 03:34.12 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Then you want what I just showed you. |
| 03:34.16 | JoshTriplett | The_Vulture: Hence the term ASCIIbetical. |
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| 03:34.27 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: C.UTF-8, or en_US.UTF-8? |
| 03:34.34 | tcsetattr | Josh, if you don't want the bizarro sorting efects of en_US, you should just set your terminal to be utf8 and leave the locale stuff alone |
| 03:34.34 | mwilson | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 03:34.45 | mwilson | There is no such thing as C.UTF-8 |
| 03:34.47 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: In which locale var? LC_CTYPE? |
| 03:34.55 | dabreegster | I have an audio cd in my drive. abcde said disc-id said "/dev/cdrom: CDROMREADTOCHDR: inappropriate ioctl for device". Anybody knows whats up? |
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| 03:35.01 | peterS | JoshTriplett: I don't think documentation and other text strings auto-convert into UTF-8 - they have to already be in it - hence LC_MESSAGES must say something about UTF-8. if you don't expect your strings to already have any UTF-8 chars in them, I guess LC_MESSAGES doesn't need the UTF-8 part |
| 03:35.02 | mwilson | peterS: I think what you mean is to set LANG=en_US.UTF-8, and set LC_COLLATE=C |
| 03:35.26 | peterS | dabreegster: what kernel version? |
| 03:35.27 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I expect everything correct to be in UTF-8 already. For example, debian/changelog is. |
| 03:35.37 | peterS | dabreegster: that's a limitation of your kernel version ... that, or you have the wrong /dev/cdrom symlink |
| 03:35.50 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: OK, thanks. I'll try that. Do I need to generate that locale with dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 03:35.53 | dabreegster | peterS: my actual cdrom drive is /dev/hdd |
| 03:36.00 | tcsetattr | does everyone realize that the make utility doesn't just work with "Makefile", it also works with "makefile"? and in fact, the lowercase "makefile" takes precedence if both are present? and why does everyone in the world use the uppercase version? precisely because it belongs near the begining of the directory listing. case-mingling sort is EVIL. |
| 03:36.06 | peterS | JoshTriplett: oh, true. but for programs to display their output in UTF-8, I mean. which should only happen (in English) for degree signs and such |
| 03:36.12 | dabreegster | and when I try cd-discid on /dev/hdd it just gives me numbers |
| 03:36.13 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: If you don't already have it. |
| 03:36.28 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: I don't. |
| 03:36.29 | dabreegster | peterS: wait, let me try something |
| 03:36.35 | peterS | dabreegster: the discid should be 8 hex digits. is that what you're seeing? |
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| 03:36.44 | peterS | dabreegster: if so, it's working |
| 03:37.00 | dabreegster | peterS: yes |
| 03:37.08 | JoshTriplett | tcsetattr: What do you mean by "just set your terminal to be utf8 and leave the locale stuff alone"? |
| 03:37.20 | peterS | dabreegster: looking up those 8 digits at freedb.freedb.org is another question |
| 03:37.21 | dabreegster | peterS: I just need to tell abcde to use /dev/hdd, hangon, let me see if the manpage says how to... |
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| 03:37.36 | peterS | dabreegster: the usual way is to create a symlink: 'ln -fs hdd /dev/cdrom' |
| 03:37.42 | tcsetattr | Josh, if you are on the console, run start_unicode. If you're in X, use xterm -u8 |
| 03:37.49 | dabreegster | peterS: nevermind, I got it, thanks so much |
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| 03:37.57 | peterS | dabreegster: if abcde is like most Debian programs, it will try /dev/cdrom as a default |
| 03:37.58 | JoshTriplett | tcsetattr: I don't want xterm. I want konsole. |
| 03:38.06 | compubomb | can someone tell me why i get this problem.. "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 03:38.09 | tcsetattr | fuck konsole and all the other stupid xterm replacements. |
| 03:38.12 | compubomb | on debian.. |
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| 03:38.38 | JoshTriplett | tcsetattr: Spoken like someone who isn't yet addicted to "tabbed terminals". :) |
| 03:38.40 | Guerin | tcsetattr: this from the person who also said "fuck syntax highlighting; it's for children" or words to that effect |
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| 03:38.43 | _frank | tcsetattr: aterm is great.... |
| 03:38.50 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Heh. |
| 03:38.57 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Syntax highlighting rules. |
| 03:39.00 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: I found gnome-terminal to be MUCH faster than konsole |
| 03:39.04 | tcsetattr | yes, something like that. |
| 03:39.06 | dabreegster | JoshTriplett: tabbed terminals? vt's and alt+arrow keys is pretty much the same thing |
| 03:39.08 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Really? |
| 03:39.09 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: damn straight it does |
| 03:39.31 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: yeah. |
| 03:39.31 | JoshTriplett | dabreegster: Not in X. :) |
| 03:39.31 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: even under KDE :P |
| 03:39.31 | dabreegster | JoshTriplett: thats what the console is for. |
| 03:39.33 | mwilson | Why would anyone want krapsole over xterm? |
| 03:39.37 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Probably not if you don't have any of the GNOME libraries loaded. :) |
| 03:40.04 | epictetus | I use rxvt |
| 03:40.15 | mwilson | Yes, but we know you're insane. |
| 03:40.20 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: maybe so. I just found it rendered much faster on large-volume output - like irssi, for example |
| 03:40.36 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: 1) Tabbed editting. 2) Better-looking fonts. |
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| 03:40.52 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: 3) Bookmarks. 4) Different session types. |
| 03:41.02 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: (I use the first two the most often, though.) |
| 03:41.03 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Uh, when did konsole magically gain some font technology that xterm didn't support? |
| 03:41.09 | sput | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.21 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Since xterm supports all font technologies supported by X. |
| 03:41.35 | lucas | does anybody know how gnome assigns it's mini icons to running applications? i'd like to assign the terminal icon to my aterms, rather than the default white rectangle. |
| 03:41.37 | dabreegster | quick, stupid question... there a good wav-to-mp3 and/or wav-to-ogg program? |
| 03:41.42 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: I wouldn't be suprised. konsole is not exactly zippy if you run "find /". :) |
| 03:42.06 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Plus, doesn't gnome-terminal parse URLs and link them? |
| 03:42.16 | pirre | dabreegster: quick, smart answer: sf.net, google.com, freshmeat.net |
| 03:42.18 | mwilson | konsole is never zippy. Speed is not and has never been a KDE design goal. |
| 03:42.25 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: That's the one feature I'm really missing in konsole. |
| 03:42.25 | dabreegster | pirre: ok, thanks. |
| 03:42.28 | tcsetattr | I've never seen an xterm replacement that doesn't foul up the cut and paste somehow (and that includes gpm, which has xterm-like features but doesn't get them all right) |
| 03:42.28 | lifeform | in the 2.6.7 deb kernel-image matroxfb_base screws up my display. I have a matrox g400. matrofb_base for the 2.4.20 kernel works (compiled not deb kernel image). How do i fix this problem? |
| 03:42.40 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: yeah, it does |
| 03:42.40 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Actually, it's been a major goal. Especially recently. |
| 03:42.48 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: 3.2 is much faster than 3.1, for example. |
| 03:42.56 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Arbitrary regex, or only URLs? |
| 03:43.06 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: I'd love to make "bug 123456" a link. |
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| 03:43.13 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: I don't know, maybe it's configurable in gconf somewhere |
| 03:43.17 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: So it goes from glacially underperforming to simply massively tuttle-like, then? |
| 03:43.17 | peterS | JoshTriplett: I'm quite curious to know how you make out with UTF-8 for text only (not collating, etc.). let me know what works, will you? I might be migrating that direction at some point too |
| 03:43.23 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: :) |
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| 03:43.45 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I'm in the middle of an aptitude upgrade at the moment. I'll let you know in a few minutes. |
| 03:43.50 | peterS | JoshTriplett: thanks |
| 03:43.56 | baver | I'm looking to set queue_only for exim4, except I can't find it in any of the /etc/exim4/conf.d/*/* files ... anyone know how I can set it? |
| 03:44.02 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: I have a fast enough machine. |
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| 03:44.33 | sput | fluxbox is the shit |
| 03:44.36 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: I can get more done. I find many features of KDE very helpful. |
| 03:44.45 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: But it's all personal preference anyway. |
| 03:44.50 | mechan0r | how do I make the net-install image boot from a usb-mass-storage device |
| 03:45.06 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Whatever fits best with your thinking process. |
| 03:45.07 | pirre | It's all a balance between environment and speed |
| 03:45.34 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Or another way of putting it: "everything gets in your way; choose the one that gets in your way the least." |
| 03:45.34 | simonrvn | sput: the Official Way is "$foo is teh r0x0r" or "$foo is teh shiznit" |
| 03:45.40 | simonrvn | sput: :P |
| 03:45.51 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: KDE's not about getting things done, KDE is about eye-candy. Which is really amusing considering how gods-awful it looks by default. |
| 03:45.59 | ram | hi all a unixy question: When I pipe output like 'program1 <some parameters> | program 2' What is being piped to program 2? Is it stdOut of program1 or stdErr of program1 or both? |
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| 03:46.02 | sput | $foo = fluxbox? |
| 03:46.09 | JoshTriplett | ram: stdout only. |
| 03:46.17 | sput | lol |
| 03:46.18 | ram | JoshTriplett: thanks. |
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| 03:46.24 | JoshTriplett | ram: If you want stderr, use program1 2>&1 | program2 |
| 03:46.25 | simonrvn | @foo |
| 03:46.25 | ravenbird | hmm... foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/foo.html>, or bar |
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| 03:46.35 | simonrvn | sput: ^^^^^ |
| 03:46.36 | tcsetattr | ram, stdout only. the stderr will not be going anywhere different than it would if you ran program1 alone |
| 03:46.38 | JoshTriplett | ram: s/stderr/stderr too/ |
| 03:46.45 | sput | so, has anyone found a good resource for setting up bind on debian? |
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| 03:46.46 | brontitall | ram: if you wan stderr too, try prog1 2>&1 | prog2 |
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| 03:46.56 | simonrvn | sput: apt-get install bind9-doc |
| 03:47.03 | jackinglack | how do you know if your mobo has ISA slots of PCI slots |
| 03:47.09 | mwilson | sput: Apparently you've found a reason not to read the documentation? |
| 03:47.09 | sput | danke. |
| 03:47.13 | mwilson | jackinglack: You look? |
| 03:47.15 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: That too. It looks very good to me. Keramik is the default, and it looks quite nice. I personally like Plastik better. |
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| 03:47.21 | jackinglack | look? |
| 03:47.23 | sput | i'm new to debian.. sorry |
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| 03:47.35 | mwilson | Keramik? Nice? You need your eyes examined. |
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| 03:47.49 | tcsetattr | jackinglack, the ISA slots are usually black; PCI slots are usually white |
| 03:47.54 | simonrvn | jackinglack: look on the mobo. the isa slots are big and ugly, with fat pins, and the pci ones are smaller and have smaller pins |
| 03:48.05 | sput | just thought there was a quick easy way to find the docs, and simonrvn answered me, thanks :) |
| 03:48.08 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Like I said, personal preference. I hate the Mac Aqua look, and tons of people love it. |
| 03:48.11 | ram | JoshTriplett, tcsetattr, brontitall thanks very much. |
| 03:48.29 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Plus, I use gtk-qt-engine and Plastikzilla-crystalsvg , so everything looks consistent. |
| 03:48.30 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: All KDE does is get in the way. |
| 03:48.31 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: where did you get it? |
| 03:48.33 | jackinglack | i thought not many machines have isa slots they being replaced by pci |
| 03:48.42 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: gtk-qt-engine? I packaged it locally. |
| 03:48.43 | tcsetattr | KDE does have some cool games though. |
| 03:48.52 | JoshTriplett | tcsetattr: Yup. |
| 03:48.56 | sput | tuxracer.. |
| 03:48.58 | Guerin | tcsetattr: what? Games are for children! |
| 03:48.58 | JoshTriplett | tcsetattr: A few of them, anyway. |
| 03:49.05 | Guerin | :P |
| 03:49.11 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: ok. the mac aqua look you mentioned |
| 03:49.11 | sput | Doom3 ships in 5 more days!!!!! |
| 03:49.22 | tcsetattr | I have nothing against games. I just don't like my _work_ to look like a video game. |
| 03:49.24 | mwilson | sput: Who cares? |
| 03:49.34 | simonrvn | jackinglack: newer x86 boxen don't have isa |
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| 03:49.37 | sput | everybody should.. come on now.. |
| 03:49.38 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: Ah. I've just seen screenshots. I hate it. |
| 03:49.42 | safrican | why does it suddenly say that /usr/bin/ /usr/sbin/ /sbin/ are not in my PATH .. ? |
| 03:49.44 | simonrvn | haha |
| 03:49.46 | safrican | i'm using Debian Unstable |
| 03:49.55 | lifeform | in the 2.6.7 deb kernel-image matroxfb_base screws up my display. I have a matrox g400. matrofb_base for the 2.4.20 kernel works (compiled not deb kernel image). How do i fix this problem? |
| 03:49.57 | safrican | i tried source /etc/profile |
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| 03:49.58 | hax | does anyone know how to turn off the tap-to-click on a dell laptop (psmouse module) |
| 03:50.00 | simonrvn | safrican: echo $PATH. what does it say? |
| 03:50.01 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: And I know mac users. |
| 03:50.05 | JoshTriplett | hax: tpconfig |
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| 03:50.12 | hax | JoshTriplett: tpconfig doesnt work |
| 03:50.21 | hax | JoshTriplett: wrong type of touchpad, i think |
| 03:50.23 | jackinglack | simonrvn, thats what i thought |
| 03:50.24 | safrican | simonrvn: it doesn't include /usr/sbin/ |
| 03:50.28 | hax | JoshTriplett: didnt we have this conversation last night? :) |
| 03:50.28 | JoshTriplett | hax: Are you running it outside of X? |
| 03:50.29 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: i'm typing from a linuxed mac |
| 03:50.30 | safrican | nor /sbin/ |
| 03:50.32 | hax | JoshTriplett: no |
| 03:50.34 | Guerin | hrm, does xfs have performance issues on low-end machines? |
| 03:50.37 | mwilson | safrican: Why would it? |
| 03:50.38 | JoshTriplett | hax: Because otherwise X gets in the way. |
| 03:50.40 | simonrvn | safrican: it's not supposed to |
| 03:50.41 | JoshTriplett | hax: Ah. Heh. |
| 03:50.42 | JoshTriplett | :) |
| 03:50.45 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: Yup. |
| 03:50.47 | hax | JoshTriplett: well, learn something every day then |
| 03:50.49 | mwilson | Guerin: Not particularly. |
| 03:50.52 | hax | JoshTriplett: can X be running at all? |
| 03:50.52 | sput | simonrvn, search google for synaptics.. works great on my dell latitude |
| 03:50.56 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: I've considered that. |
| 03:50.59 | sput | if that's what you have.. |
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| 03:51.06 | wheat | hello |
| 03:51.15 | Guerin | mwilson: ok, I've read some vague mention of it, mostly from reiserfs zealots... |
| 03:51.16 | JoshTriplett | hax: Possibly. I use it with GPM as a repeater, so I can turn off GPM, run tpconfig, and turn it back on. |
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| 03:51.18 | simonrvn | sput: que? |
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| 03:51.26 | hax | JoshTriplett: i dont use gpm |
| 03:51.30 | hax | JoshTriplett: but alright, brb then |
| 03:51.31 | sput | oh.. i mean hax |
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| 03:51.52 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: I actually like several features of the Mac laptops. If only they had another mouse button. :) |
| 03:52.04 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: i'm with you there |
| 03:52.06 | wheat | mac hardware sucks |
| 03:52.06 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: But I'd love to have a G5 and a 30-inch cinema screen. |
| 03:52.11 | wheat | all of it |
| 03:52.13 | JoshTriplett | </dream> |
| 03:52.16 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: *drool* |
| 03:52.17 | sput | no way wheat |
| 03:52.20 | mwilson | wheat: Except that it doesn't, of course. |
| 03:52.22 | sput | i would love to have a g5 |
| 03:52.23 | safrican | simonrvn: because apt-get install libgnomevfs complains that |
| 03:52.23 | safrican | :-/ |
| 03:52.37 | wheat | um.. how can you like mac hardware? |
| 03:52.43 | wheat | it is like a pretty desklamp |
| 03:52.47 | simonrvn | safrican: root has /usr/sbin:/sbin |
| 03:52.56 | JoshTriplett | wheat: Not the i-stuff, the PowerStuff. :) |
| 03:52.59 | bluefoxicy | JoshTriplett: Did you see that I got enough data to make a test setup ready? |
| 03:53.00 | safrican | simonrvn: um.. no he doesn't |
| 03:53.03 | wheat | i have an i386 running osx |
| 03:53.08 | mwilson | Ah, /ignore sumber sixty six |
| 03:53.08 | JoshTriplett | wheat: The i-stuff I don't like. |
| 03:53.11 | safrican | simonrvn: i did source /etc/profile but it does no help |
| 03:53.13 | simonrvn | safrican: then it's fucked. fix it |
| 03:53.18 | safrican | thank you |
| 03:53.24 | JoshTriplett | wheat: Emulator, or just BS? |
| 03:53.28 | simonrvn | safrican: root's .bash* files |
| 03:53.33 | sput | wheat, what are you basing this on.. weren't the g4 classified as 'weapons' by the US gov. cuz there were so powerful? |
| 03:53.41 | JoshTriplett | bluefoxicy: No, not yet. |
| 03:53.46 | hax | sput: either this isnt a synaptics or i've got the wrong driver |
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| 03:53.50 | JoshTriplett | bluefoxicy: I've been too busy to read debian-devel. |
| 03:53.52 | bluefoxicy | JoshTriplett: heh. I need some deb devs to package it up for me :) |
| 03:53.59 | hax | JoshTriplett: still doesnt work, says it wants a synaptics or alps device |
| 03:54.04 | wheat | Josh, mac compy hardware is not more powerful than pc |
| 03:54.05 | hax | heya bluefoxicy |
| 03:54.08 | bluefoxicy | hi hax |
| 03:54.11 | wheat | i don't know where you get your into |
| 03:54.11 | JoshTriplett | bluefoxicy: Do you know about [channel name censored]? |
| 03:54.15 | wheat | info* |
| 03:54.16 | JoshTriplett | bluefoxicy: :) |
| 03:54.21 | simonrvn | imacs are a PITA to do anything having to do with taking them apart and trying to fix. luckily you don't have to take them apart to put ram in |
| 03:54.26 | bluefoxicy | JoshTriplett: nope, but I'm no dev so I probably don't belong there :) |
| 03:54.34 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: At least they use PCI now. |
| 03:54.35 | sput | hax, use 'IMPS2' and you can set all the buttons, touchpad, etc in the xorg.conf file |
| 03:54.41 | JoshTriplett | bluefoxicy: Sure you do. I go there all the time. |
| 03:54.51 | hax | sput: what device do you use? |
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| 03:54.57 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Uh, and have, for quite a few years. |
| 03:55.02 | wheat | wot ... anyone know a channel for wine? |
| 03:55.04 | sput | lemme check |
| 03:55.12 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: what? imacs have had 1 pci slot |
| 03:55.17 | wheat | lol |
| 03:55.21 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Have what? |
| 03:55.35 | bluefoxicy | hax: what have you been up to these days? |
| 03:55.37 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Used PCI, for quite a few years. |
| 03:55.43 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Right. |
| 03:55.45 | wheat | hullo .. anyone? |
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| 03:56.05 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: None of my mac opinions apply to anything that starts with an i. :) |
| 03:56.06 | simonrvn | pci 2.0 at first, newer models have pci-x |
| 03:56.08 | wheat | is there irc on winehq? |
| 03:56.11 | sput | hax.. for driver i'm using 'mouse' |
| 03:56.16 | hax | bluefoxicy: alot of gamecube |
| 03:56.20 | hax | sput: lsmod | grep psmouse |
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| 03:56.25 | simonrvn | wheat: /join #winehq you hoser :P |
| 03:56.25 | JoshTriplett | hax: :) |
| 03:56.25 | bluefoxicy | hax: :) I beat 4 Swords solo |
| 03:56.36 | code_01 | somebody can help me... |
| 03:56.37 | hax | sput: is it on there? |
| 03:56.40 | sput | nope |
| 03:56.45 | hax | sput: hmm |
| 03:56.47 | hax | sput: sec |
| 03:56.51 | code_01 | how can I configure the used keymap in boot process |
| 03:56.55 | code_01 | please |
| 03:56.57 | wheat | o0() |
| 03:56.58 | hax | sput: actually, can you just upload your config somewherer? |
| 03:57.06 | simonrvn | code_01: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 03:57.07 | sput | ok, hold on |
| 03:57.10 | safrican | if i'm running unstable, is there a way to up(down)grade to testing ? |
| 03:57.15 | code_01 | i use this |
| 03:57.24 | code_01 | but i can change in this moment |
| 03:57.26 | bluefoxicy | hax: I've been trying to get PaX to deb's base distro (into sid post-sarge) :) |
| 03:57.31 | simonrvn | safrican: not easily |
| 03:57.34 | sput | hax: i don't have all that set up right now though |
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| 03:57.38 | sput | do you still want it? |
| 03:57.42 | safrican | simonrvn: :-( thanks |
| 03:57.48 | code_01 | I wanna know what i must chage in some file configuration |
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| 03:57.51 | Jambon | anyone get helix player to work? |
| 03:58.05 | simonrvn | code_01: run what i told you as root or under sudo |
| 03:58.07 | hax | bluefoxicy: pax? |
| 03:58.12 | hax | sput: uhh, sec |
| 03:58.22 | pirre | Jambon: How about you describe the error instead? |
| 03:58.28 | sput | hax: what dell laptop do you have? |
| 03:58.31 | bluefoxicy | hax: wikipedia's down, so the short answer won't work. ;) |
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| 03:58.43 | hax | sput: a new insprion 8600 |
| 03:58.57 | code_01 | yes |
| 03:58.59 | JoshTriplett | hax: Interesting. tpconfig works fine on my 8100. |
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| 03:59.03 | code_01 | when i do this command |
| 03:59.03 | Jambon | pirre: either helix player is not capable of playing the file or there is a bad transport or something |
| 03:59.09 | code_01 | i change |
| 03:59.11 | hax | sput: sec, looking for the lines i need |
| 03:59.12 | hax | JoshTriplett: hmm |
| 03:59.13 | Jambon | and that goes for EVERYTHING |
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| 03:59.15 | code_01 | bu twhen i reboot |
| 03:59.18 | hax | JoshTriplett: i may just have a wrong driver |
| 03:59.21 | code_01 | but when i reboot |
| 03:59.30 | code_01 | stay the old configuration |
| 03:59.31 | scarynetworkguy | The line "Hey baby wanna three-way handshake?" does not work nearly as well as you would think |
| 03:59.33 | pirre | Jambon: it can't play any file? |
| 03:59.37 | code_01 | undestand me??? |
| 03:59.40 | Jambon | pirre: not one |
| 03:59.43 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 03:59.55 | casull | does anyone here know how I can keep grub from overwriting win2k's ntldr? |
| 04:00.01 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett, just thought you might wanna know |
| 04:00.02 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: On the other hand, when it does, you know you've got a keeper. :) |
| 04:00.04 | opp | for motherboard soldering , what wattage od soldering iron is the safest for the boards? |
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| 04:00.09 | c4y0 | hi |
| 04:00.15 | pirre | Jambon: error messages? And no, don't paste in here. Use pastebin.com |
| 04:00.18 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett, true story |
| 04:00.23 | scarynetworkguy | casull, it does not |
| 04:00.28 | simonrvn | code_01: yes. and i don't see how how that would the case. once it's set it's set until you change it. unless it's broken in some way |
| 04:00.34 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 04:00.48 | Caelum | opp: get an adjustable one |
| 04:00.51 | code_01 | yes |
| 04:00.53 | c4y0 | can i share with my network the /var/cache/apt/archives to update the packages in my clients? |
| 04:00.56 | casull | scarynetworkguy... well, it does something to keep my windows 2k installation from booting |
| 04:01.02 | code_01 | i thought the same :-) |
| 04:01.03 | Caelum | opp: read some soldering guides |
| 04:01.04 | casull | know any fixes? |
| 04:01.04 | opp | Caelum, cant...no dough |
| 04:01.10 | Jambon | pirre: they are not long: either helix player does not have the capabilites, or Bad Transport (rtsp://a1414.r.akareal.net/ondemand/7/1414/1854/7d4210e31/www.wbez.org/ta/261.rm) |
| 04:01.13 | JoshTriplett | c4y0: Probably. Check out apt-proxy. |
| 04:01.15 | scarynetworkguy | casull, have you told grub to let you boot win2k? |
| 04:01.17 | Caelum | opp: $30 at fry's here |
| 04:01.20 | opp | 30 watts ok for mobos? |
| 04:01.26 | Caelum | should be, yes |
| 04:01.36 | sput | hax: search linuxquestions.org, i found some good stuff on there just now for your inspiron |
| 04:01.40 | opp | heard its too string for mobos |
| 04:01.41 | Caelum | opp: thin tip, thin solder |
| 04:01.45 | pirre | Jambon: Never tried helix player myself |
| 04:01.47 | hax | sput: hold up a sec |
| 04:01.47 | JoshTriplett | hax: Also check linux-laptop.net |
| 04:01.48 | opp | peeps recommended 15 watts |
| 04:01.49 | opp | :( |
| 04:01.56 | simonrvn | c4y0: apt-proxy or similar tools can do that |
| 04:01.56 | Jambon | pirre: I need it for realplayer files |
| 04:02.00 | Caelum | opp: use a heatsink clamp |
| 04:02.12 | opp | uhu?waz that? |
| 04:02.14 | pirre | Jambon: I suggest you go look at the official site |
| 04:02.18 | JoshTriplett | hax: http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/dell.html |
| 04:02.18 | scarynetworkguy | Here's another safty tip. If you weigh more than I do *nobody* wants to see you in a tube top. |
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| 04:02.26 | Caelum | opp: an alligator clip you put on the other side of where you solder |
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| 04:02.35 | Caelum | opp: again, get some soldering guides from google |
| 04:02.37 | JoshTriplett | hax: A dozen 8600 guides there. |
| 04:02.40 | casull | scarynetworkguy... i set it to boot /dev/hda1 (windows 2k partition) with rootnoverify (hd0,0) and chainloader +1 |
| 04:02.56 | wheat | wot .. wine development sux, isn't there any good channels? nobody talks on #winehq or #cedega 8( |
| 04:02.56 | scarynetworkguy | casull, and what happens when you try to boot it? |
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| 04:03.08 | ReVisions | y when i scanning my computer for open ports i see port 25 open? (smtp), i didnt install smtp =\ |
| 04:03.09 | ugly | miss me? |
| 04:03.15 | ivan | why is 'discard' enabled by default? |
| 04:03.19 | ivan | it's the dumbest service ever |
| 04:03.21 | JoshTriplett | ReVisions: exim or exim4, probably. |
| 04:03.23 | casull | it displays my grub options and hangs there |
| 04:03.24 | JoshTriplett | ivan: Don't know. |
| 04:03.30 | scarynetworkguy | ReVisions, yes yes you did by default |
| 04:03.31 | Randy | im so fat im so fat, I gots to have me some of dat |
| 04:03.42 | JoshTriplett | ivan: Disable it in /etc/inetd.conf, or better yet, disable inetd. :) |
| 04:03.48 | ReVisions | scarynetworkguy, what i did by default? |
| 04:03.53 | Caelum | casull: add makeactive |
| 04:03.59 | scarynetworkguy | ivan, mostly so folks like me can have fun |
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| 04:04.07 | scarynetworkguy | ReVisions, my default exim installs |
| 04:04.13 | dvhart | I can't seem to get a 2.6.7 kernel booting with nfsroot, anyone able to help |
| 04:04.18 | ivan | do i need 'daytime' |
| 04:04.22 | hax | JoshTriplett: heh, so much data |
| 04:04.22 | Caelum | casull: what device did you install grub on? |
| 04:04.24 | ReVisions | so shuld i apt-get remove exim? |
| 04:04.29 | Caelum | ivan: no |
| 04:04.36 | casull | caelum. on my mbr |
| 04:04.39 | Caelum | ivan: you don't need anything you don't need |
| 04:04.39 | JoshTriplett | hax: Start with the ones labelled "Debian". |
| 04:04.41 | casull | /dev/hda |
| 04:04.44 | exobyte | anyone know of a athlon fan that works in a 1u rackmount case? |
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| 04:04.56 | \Igor\ | I want to d/l testing install cds through bittorrent, but there are 11 of them! |
| 04:05.00 | JoshTriplett | hax: They tend to have an above-average amount of cluefulness. Can't imagine why. :) |
| 04:05.06 | \Igor\ | is 1 sufficient for a basic installation? |
| 04:05.08 | JoshTriplett | \Igor\: Don't need them all. |
| 04:05.09 | JoshTriplett | \Igor\: Yes. |
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| 04:05.14 | JoshTriplett | \Igor\: Just get the first. |
| 04:05.16 | scarynetworkguy | ReVisions, there used to be a bunch of stuff that depended on it. That may or may not be true. You can certainly try and tell it no if it tries to uninstall a bumch of stuff |
| 04:05.21 | Guerin | \Igor\: get a 40mb netinstall disk and do your whole install over the internet |
| 04:05.21 | JoshTriplett | \Igor\: Or possibly the first 2-3. |
| 04:05.25 | JoshTriplett | \Igor\: At most. |
| 04:05.26 | \Igor\ | JoshTriplett: excellent, thanks! |
| 04:05.33 | ReVisions | scarynetworkguy, ok i removed it :) |
| 04:05.40 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Well, it's nice to have X if you need to troubleshoot, if you are a newbie. |
| 04:05.42 | code_01 | How I do if there is java plug-in in my mozilla firefox |
| 04:05.44 | code_01 | ?????/ |
| 04:05.46 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Speaking from experience. |
| 04:05.49 | ReVisions | now wtf is 9 port? discard? |
| 04:05.49 | hax | JoshTriplett: ok, i have alot of reading to do |
| 04:05.55 | JoshTriplett | code_01: Google "j2se-package". |
| 04:05.58 | ReVisions | 9/tcp open discard |
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| 04:06.07 | JoshTriplett | ReVisions: Something you should disable. |
| 04:06.08 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: hahah, that presumes you can get X up and running without help :) |
| 04:06.11 | JoshTriplett | ReVisions: A note: |
| 04:06.20 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: True enough. |
| 04:06.23 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, I can.... |
| 04:06.23 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: stfw is very hard without X |
| 04:06.26 | hax | sput: can i /msg you? |
| 04:06.28 | ReVisions | JoshTriplett, update-rc.d -f disacrd remove? |
| 04:06.33 | JoshTriplett | ReVisions: nmap from another machine, not localhost. |
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| 04:06.38 | scarynetworkguy | stfw? |
| 04:06.40 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: you're not a newbie, you're a scary network guy |
| 04:06.43 | JoshTriplett | ReVisions: No. Check /etc/inetd.conf |
| 04:06.45 | ReVisions | JoshTriplett, ok second |
| 04:06.59 | code_01 | I have j2se-common |
| 04:07.00 | redcliffe | hi - anyone know of any current bugs in the pcmcia-cs modules for unstable, that causes wireless cards not to scan? |
| 04:07.05 | code_01 | is the same? |
| 04:07.06 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, true and even when I was a newbie I understood the concept of reading |
| 04:07.11 | JoshTriplett | redcliffe: What card? |
| 04:07.12 | exobyte | I have a m$ intelimouse. the cursor locks sometimes. Unplugging and replugging fixes it. restarting hotplug does not |
| 04:07.13 | sput | hax: shoot |
| 04:07.18 | redcliffe | i set my essid, but it always sticks on channel 3 and never gets anywhere |
| 04:07.21 | JoshTriplett | redcliffe: Not every card can scan. |
| 04:07.21 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, so what is stfw? |
| 04:07.23 | ReVisions | JoshTriplett, i disabled all the things i have in there, does it ok? |
| 04:07.27 | Guerin | !stfw |
| 04:07.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, stfw is Search The Fucking Web, a modern incarnation of "RTFM" |
| 04:07.27 | redcliffe | JoshTriplett: orinoco, but i had a problem on another one two |
| 04:07.29 | redcliffe | too |
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| 04:07.44 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, that's what god gave us lynx for. :) |
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| 04:07.47 | JoshTriplett | redcliffe: Do you mean iwlist eth1 scan ? |
| 04:07.52 | Caelum | casull: not sure why it's not working for you... look at the GRUB howto, try to add "makeactive" for win2k, if all else fails, make a linux bootfloppy, go into recovery console on the w2k cd, look at help, there's a command to reinstall the mbr |
| 04:07.57 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: sure, but it ain't EASY or FUN |
| 04:07.57 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: That's a harsh intro to GNU/Linux. :) |
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| 04:08.05 | redcliffe | JoshTriplett: normally if i go iwconfig eth0 essid foobar - it never finds the AP |
| 04:08.06 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: Again, speaking from experience. :) |
| 04:08.11 | mwilson | bash 3.0? |
| 04:08.12 | JoshTriplett | redcliffe: Ah. |
| 04:08.14 | redcliffe | JoshTriplett: wavemon shows it not scanning |
| 04:08.15 | mwilson | There's a bash 3.0? |
| 04:08.19 | mwilson | Since when? |
| 04:08.21 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Yup. |
| 04:08.21 | guestish | really? |
| 04:08.23 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Today. |
| 04:08.26 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, true |
| 04:08.28 | ugly | ! |
| 04:08.28 | guestish | is it any better? |
| 04:08.29 | Guerin | ooh, I want the newest bash!! |
| 04:08.37 | casull | caelum.... do you know how I can make a linux boot cd, rather than a boot floppy? |
| 04:08.38 | mwilson | There really is, or there's another Debian fsck-up? |
| 04:08.40 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Tons of bugfixes. |
| 04:08.48 | guestish | JoshTriplett: ooo |
| 04:08.49 | Guerin | it must be at least 30% better than 2.05 |
| 04:08.50 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett, it's kind of a sink or swim thing |
| 04:08.53 | JoshTriplett | casull: mkisofs , read about el-torito. |
| 04:08.53 | guestish | i cant wait till it gets into sid |
| 04:08.59 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: Not a fan of that. |
| 04:09.00 | casull | thanks |
| 04:09.02 | code_01 | What's the command to get a channel list server?????????????????? |
| 04:09.08 | mwilson | guestish: It IS in Sid, hence me asking about it. |
| 04:09.12 | Le_ptit_quebecoi | is there any probleme with crontab ? I can't install it (/usr/sbin/cron has disapeared...) and I can't restore it... it doesn't seem to be in the .deb... any clue? |
| 04:09.16 | Caelum | casull: ehh...no clue, you don't really need to |
| 04:09.17 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: I do think newbies should read a ton of documentation. I did. |
| 04:09.22 | wheat | <(o.O)> |
| 04:09.28 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett, damn straight |
| 04:09.30 | Guerin | code_01: /list |
| 04:09.31 | guestish | O_o |
| 04:09.31 | Caelum | casull: oh, you have no floppy drive? |
| 04:09.31 | ugly | ~tell code_01 about excessive punctuation |
| 04:09.33 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: http://cnswww.cns.cwru.edu/~chet/bash/bashtop.html claims that there is... |
| 04:09.40 | simonrvn | Le_ptit_quebecoi: i think it borked |
| 04:09.41 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: But lynx in a terminal to try to troubleshoot is a bit much. |
| 04:09.46 | Guerin | code_01: but it might not work |
| 04:09.49 | guestish | bash 3.0 |
| 04:10.04 | Guerin | code_01: and you can have a few of your ? marks back, we don't need them all |
| 04:10.04 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: yeah, elinks or w3m is much nicer :) |
| 04:10.19 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett, back in my day we read all our online docs by telneting to port 80. And we liked it |
| 04:10.21 | Le_ptit_quebecoi | symonrvn : you think? |
| 04:10.24 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Get this: GNU is working on the next m4. The last new version was more than a decade ago. |
| 04:10.30 | wheat | this is so lame : no one can give me a dev channel for wine? |
| 04:10.33 | wheat | i want to help out |
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| 04:10.35 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: And the packets had to travel uphill both ways. :) |
| 04:10.39 | wheat | but y'know |
| 04:10.43 | Guerin | wheat: #winehq? |
| 04:10.45 | guestish | JoshTriplett: wow |
| 04:10.45 | Caelum | wheat: most development happens on the list |
| 04:10.45 | JoshTriplett | wheat: Have you looked on wine.org? |
| 04:10.50 | simonrvn | wheat: how about you go ask in #winehq |
| 04:10.54 | wheat | noone talks on #winehq |
| 04:10.54 | code_01 | i get it |
| 04:10.59 | Caelum | wheat: read the development guides, read some of the list archives |
| 04:11.01 | simonrvn | wheat: or on the web site. sheesh |
| 04:11.03 | guestish | JoshTriplett: either they are making some major improvements, or they are just lazy :) |
| 04:11.06 | dondelelcaro | wheat: so then get active on the development lists... not every group uses irc. |
| 04:11.06 | wheat | or on #cedega ...*sigh* |
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| 04:11.17 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Or it worked just fine for a decade. :) |
| 04:11.18 | Caelum | wheat: that's because wine developers are too busy developing :) |
| 04:11.22 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: I had a job where I had to walk uphill to work, then uphill home once. |
| 04:11.25 | JoshTriplett | guestish: for some values of "fine". :) |
| 04:11.27 | code_01 | appear to everybody???????? |
| 04:11.31 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: How does that work? |
| 04:11.33 | guestish | JoshTriplett: well if they are comming out with a new version it must not be fine :) |
| 04:11.44 | JoshTriplett | code_01: Easy on the punctuation. |
| 04:11.45 | Caelum | guestish: did you live in a surrealist painting? |
| 04:11.46 | simonrvn | code_01: please stop that with the "????????" |
| 04:11.54 | guestish | Caelum: no, why? |
| 04:11.57 | Le_ptit_quebecoi | Am I the only one having problems with crontab? (package cron) |
| 04:11.58 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett, we wrote all our packets by hand, carried them to the ISP (uphill both ways), then got home and inputed them with a chisel, then read the docs. in Lynx. |
| 04:12.06 | mwilson | Doesn't seem like all that much added, to merit a major version number jump. |
| 04:12.08 | code_01 | sure |
| 04:12.09 | Caelum | guestish: just wondering how uphill to work then uphill home works :) |
| 04:12.10 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 04:12.14 | scarynetworkguy | damn kids and their wires and such :) |
| 04:12.19 | code_01 | is my finger |
| 04:12.26 | Caelum | guestish: who was the guy who drew waterfalls flowing up and stuff... |
| 04:12.28 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Presumably it involves travel. |
| 04:12.33 | MerlinCorey | this punctuation mongering isn't going to extend to my ellipses, is it..? I've been doing it for so long, I really don't notice it anymore... :( |
| 04:12.37 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Escher. |
| 04:12.39 | guestish | Caelum: why are you asking me? |
| 04:12.45 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: ahh |
| 04:12.46 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: I lived halfway up a big hill, and walked uphill to catch a cable car in the morning, which took me down the hill into the city. By the time I finished, the cable car had closed for the night, so I had to walk up the hill home. |
| 04:12.53 | guestish | Caelum: i didnt say anything about that? |
| 04:12.53 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: He also did the continuously up/down stairways. |
| 04:13.03 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Heh. |
| 04:13.05 | guestish | Caelum: that wasnt ment to be a question |
| 04:13.08 | wheat | Caelum: wine developers are too busy developing?? lmao |
| 04:13.09 | lucas | Le_ptit_quebecoi: no, check bts |
| 04:13.13 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, you win |
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| 04:13.21 | wheat | Caelum: don't even have dX support ..how lame |
| 04:13.23 | JoshTriplett | !Guerin++ |
| 04:13.25 | Caelum | guestish: err sorry, wrong nick :( |
| 04:13.29 | guestish | Caelum: heh |
| 04:13.41 | Guerin | wheat: if you can't find the wine developers, I wouldn't bank much on your ability to contribute to their program... |
| 04:13.41 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: links isn't so bad, though. |
| 04:13.44 | huhlig | anyone here have a windows box and a floppy drive I could get to do me a favor |
| 04:13.55 | wheat | Caelum: i think the wine project is vital to linux .. why aren't more people developing? |
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| 04:14.03 | Guerin | wheat: it's not like they're hiding, you know... |
| 04:14.04 | code_01 | well, my bed waits me. Good night everybody |
| 04:14.05 | JoshTriplett | huhlig: What do you need that requires a Windows box? |
| 04:14.07 | Caelum | wheat: they do have dx support |
| 04:14.10 | simonrvn | Le_ptit_quebecoi: um, no you're not. please calm down and go see the BTS |
| 04:14.16 | simonrvn | @bts |
| 04:14.16 | ravenbird | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug |
| 04:14.23 | huhlig | JoshTriplett, DELL bios upgrade |
| 04:14.28 | wheat | Guerin: i can find the developers, i just wanted to talk about flash and zbrush preformance.. but there is not channel to do that |
| 04:14.31 | MerlinCorey | I need Klient; that requires a windows box because it needs the WSH... |
| 04:14.32 | MerlinCorey | :( |
| 04:14.39 | wheat | Caelum: they do not have dX support |
| 04:14.44 | MerlinCorey | and for work, I need MS VS2003... |
| 04:14.44 | Caelum | wheat: I've made a couple patches a couple years back, the main developer (Juliard?) is a totally awesome guy. He responds very promptly to patches. |
| 04:14.47 | wheat | Caelum: only cedega does |
| 04:14.49 | MerlinCorey | :( |
| 04:15.01 | huhlig | JoshTriplett, you have one? |
| 04:15.04 | Caelum | wheat: umm, you're wrong. They've had dx for years |
| 04:15.04 | JoshTriplett | huhlig: No. |
| 04:15.11 | huhlig | foo |
| 04:15.13 | mith | !last rahul |
| 04:15.22 | JoshTriplett | huhlig: Just curious. Some things that supposedly "require" a windows box don't. |
| 04:15.23 | mith | stupid bots |
| 04:15.26 | Caelum | wheat: whatever side projects run off of wine (like winex) wine is still the main tree |
| 04:15.26 | wheat | Caelum: LMAO they do not.. that is it's main drawback! |
| 04:15.27 | mith | listen to me =( |
| 04:15.27 | Guerin | !seen rahul |
| 04:15.28 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'rahul', Guerin |
| 04:15.31 | dabreegster | can anyone recommend a good irssi theme? |
| 04:15.38 | JoshTriplett | huhlig: Is it a windows utility to write a floppy? |
| 04:15.39 | ugly | mith: /msg nickserv info rahul |
| 04:15.39 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: the default is decent |
| 04:15.41 | huhlig | JoshTriplett, umm windows only floppy creator |
| 04:15.41 | Guerin | dabreegster: the default one is good |
| 04:15.44 | JoshTriplett | huhlig: Might work in wine. |
| 04:15.56 | huhlig | JoshTriplett, no machine powerful enough to do it |
| 04:15.57 | wheat | Caelum: no it is not! wine is the base of cedega .. yes .. but cedega is commercial |
| 04:15.59 | Caelum | wheat: and I think if you seriously start doing wine development, you will enjoy working with that particular community |
| 04:16.05 | wheat | Caelum: get with the program dood |
| 04:16.06 | huhlig | if you have wine, sure go ahead, |
| 04:16.07 | dabreegster | Guerin: I guess so. |
| 04:16.10 | huhlig | I will give you the addy |
| 04:16.12 | guestish | remember david 1.0? |
| 04:16.12 | guestish | :) |
| 04:16.16 | Le_ptit_quebecoi | crap |
| 04:16.17 | Caelum | wheat: I've never even heard of cedega, I've heard of winex |
| 04:16.19 | Le_ptit_quebecoi | thank you so much |
| 04:16.25 | JoshTriplett | huhlig: Not set up at the moment. |
| 04:16.29 | JoshTriplett | huhlig: Just a suggestion. |
| 04:16.29 | wheat | Caelum: cedega is the new version of winex |
| 04:16.32 | Guerin | Caelum: cedega is winex 4 |
| 04:16.32 | Caelum | wheat: winex is commercial because of some bizarre copy protection crap |
| 04:16.33 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: but if there's something that you don't like, it's relatively easy to change in the config file... assuming that's reasonable, of course. |
| 04:16.34 | guestish | ah |
| 04:16.40 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: So they say. |
| 04:16.42 | guestish | it any good? |
| 04:16.47 | wheat | Caelum: um .. yes |
| 04:16.54 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: nothing in particular |
| 04:16.55 | Caelum | wheat: they STILL sync from the wine tree, all real development happens there |
| 04:17.08 | Caelum | wheat: so, stop wining and go read some docs and list archives :) |
| 04:17.16 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: I think they are commercial because they want the money. |
| 04:17.19 | wheat | Caelum: not enough people work on the project, that is all.. |
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| 04:17.20 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: nb, preliminary versions of the flyer for LWCESF are on http://archimedes.ucr.edu/debflyer/ Mail me if you've got suggestions |
| 04:17.28 | wheat | Caelum: it is an excellent project |
| 04:17.33 | Caelum | wheat: did you even look at the list archives? |
| 04:17.35 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: And that's not a problem, except that they are proprietary as well. |
| 04:17.42 | Guerin | I wonder if wine/photoshop will let me open my 300MB .psd files yet... |
| 04:17.46 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: Looking. |
| 04:17.54 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: whatever floats their boat, they're still contributing a lot of stuff to wine |
| 04:17.55 | ugly | oooh bash 3.0 supports egrep-like syntax with =~, neat |
| 04:18.02 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: True. |
| 04:18.07 | mwilson | Well, nice to see that the first thing the new bash does is break my prompt. |
| 04:18.07 | wheat | Caelum: dood , i just wanted to discuss sum new program support |
| 04:18.12 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: DX support would be nice, though. |
| 04:18.18 | wheat | Caelum: and there is nowhere to rly do that |
| 04:18.31 | Caelum | JoshTriplett: of course, if we could claim that a linux distro would have the games support that winex has out of the box, that would be nice, but whatever :) |
| 04:18.34 | dondelelcaro | wheat: post to the mailing list... that's typically the right way to do things. |
| 04:18.35 | Guerin | wheat: why don't you start #wine-dev? |
| 04:18.40 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: an auspicious start... ;-) |
| 04:18.44 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: Actually, that's not the reason. |
| 04:18.47 | Guerin | wheat: you could even be an op, wouldn't that be l337 |
| 04:18.53 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, I like, how the CDs coming? |
| 04:18.54 | wheat | Caelum: i have posted on mailing lists, it is abandoned pretty much |
| 04:18.58 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: I'd love to be able to test cross-compiled SDL applications. |
| 04:19.03 | wheat | Caelum: no one ever posts there 8( |
| 04:19.04 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, and the poster |
| 04:19.08 | JoshTriplett | Caelum: But DirectX doesn't work well enough for that. |
| 04:19.13 | Caelum | wheat: are you serious? that sucks |
| 04:19.14 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: Bryan Brannigan is burning them... joshk has been handling that... |
| 04:19.24 | wheat | Caelum: this is wot im bitchin about |
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| 04:19.36 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, heh so far I havent been able to get a status report from him, you helping man the booth? |
| 04:19.37 | wheat | Caelum: it is sad for such an interesting project |
| 04:19.42 | Caelum | wheat: agreed |
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| 04:19.58 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, you dont by chance happen to have a windows box do you? |
| 04:20.00 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: yes... I'll fill in whatever times are not filled, since I'm going to be there that week on "vacation" |
| 04:20.05 | wheat | Guerin: lol |
| 04:20.06 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: Some suggestions: |
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| 04:20.10 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: I have a windows 95 one... |
| 04:20.16 | guestish | why exactly is there a need for crontab in /usr/bin? |
| 04:20.19 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: e-mail me if you would... preferably with a diff. |
| 04:20.21 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, with a floppy? |
| 04:20.25 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: When you talk about office applications, mention OpenOffice.org at least. |
| 04:20.32 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: Sure. |
| 04:20.43 | Guerin | grrr |
| 04:20.46 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, can I bug you to do me a favor then? (will be there all week on vacation too) |
| 04:20.48 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: What's your email address? |
| 04:21.00 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: don@donarmstrong.com [it's all over -legal... ;-)] |
| 04:21.05 | michal | ok.. back.. i have a little problem.. i built the kernel using the debian kernel config file and it boots, however it tries to mount some partitions before the drivers for the controller are loaded.. they load right AFTER the failed mounting attempt |
| 04:21.05 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: :) |
| 04:21.13 | mwilson | <sigh> I really don't have time to debug bash stupidities right now... |
| 04:21.13 | Caelum | mwilson: woah, -84? is that the highest debian revision in existance? :) |
| 04:21.15 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: And are you describing stable or testing/unstable? |
| 04:21.16 | michal | anyone know why this is given an essentially identical kernel? |
| 04:21.24 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: stable. |
| 04:21.26 | Guerin | i was wondering whhy it was taking FUCKING AGES to copy my ~17G storage dir from one HDD to the other - and it turns out knoppix had dma off by default |
| 04:21.30 | dabreegster | brb |
| 04:21.35 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: So don't mention stuff only in Sarge? |
| 04:21.37 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: but since sarge will be out, it's ok to mention features from it... |
| 04:21.40 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: Like OO.o. |
| 04:21.51 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: You think it'll be out by then? |
| 04:22.01 | huhlig | Guerin, cause sometimes machines wont boot with it on |
| 04:22.03 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: One suggestion: |
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| 04:22.17 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: The last time someone printed flyers, many of them went to waste. |
| 04:22.23 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: no, because that's next week. But it will be out before october, otherwise we'll have to unfreeze base. |
| 04:22.54 | michal | are these sorts of problems common when using kernel-package? |
| 04:22.57 | Caelum | wheat: well, dunno what to say, except, don't give up :) If you want to use cedega instead, I think subscribers get access to the source tree... |
| 04:22.59 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: wow, before october? That's cool. |
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| 04:23.18 | JoshTriplett | dondelelcaro: Hmmm. Is there a good way to download everything from an apache directory listing? |
| 04:23.19 | mwilson | Caelum: I have no idea. Since cron is dead upstream, there'll never be a new version, so the Debian version keeps chugging along. |
| 04:23.32 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: wget -l 1 -r -nH -np -nd |
| 04:23.48 | dondelelcaro | JoshTriplett: then delete the index.html's. |
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| 04:24.20 | wheat | Caelum: i am a subscriber 8) |
| 04:24.27 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: well, that's assuming we actually release on this schedule... but base+standard can't (generally) stay frozen for very long. |
| 04:24.34 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, good job :) |
| 04:24.44 | guestish | o_O O_o |
| 04:25.02 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: yeah. |
| 04:25.05 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro, it did last time |
| 04:25.14 | wheat | Caelum: i just rely on a lot of 3d modelling programs on windoze and want to cut the ties, ya know? |
| 04:25.24 | dondelelcaro | scarynetworkguy: that's because boot floppies took for freaking ever. |
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| 04:25.34 | callsign | can someone help me with bind denying axfr's? |
| 04:25.36 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: well, she has sid from about ... january 2004 right now. And she's on dialup, so I'm afraid to try and upgrade it.... |
| 04:25.37 | guestish | wheat: use blender! :) |
| 04:25.38 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: the longer the freeze lasts, the more likely there will be FTBS bugs from stuff built against it... |
| 04:25.42 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: What did 3.0 break? |
| 04:25.46 | Guerin | !ftbs |
| 04:25.54 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: My prompt. |
| 04:25.56 | scarynetworkguy | dondelelcaro, I know. The new installers *are* coming along nicely |
| 04:25.56 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: failure to build from source. |
| 04:25.59 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: FTBFS |
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| 04:26.02 | wheat | guestish: blender? tell me about it please 8) you caught my attention |
| 04:26.03 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: ah, I see. |
| 04:26.11 | guestish | !+blender |
| 04:26.12 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin's Mom had got it going on |
| 04:26.12 | dpkg | somebody said blender was a free GNU GPL cross plaform 3D creation suite, allowing fully integrated modeling, animation, rendering, post production and interactive 3D creation and playback. http://www.blender3d.org, or #blenderchat, or a scanline renderer with nearly ray-traced quality |
| 04:26.14 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, willing to do me that favor |
| 04:26.18 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: right, I get it |
| 04:26.20 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: yeah. what do you need? |
| 04:26.22 | guestish | :) |
| 04:26.22 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Hmmm. It actually fixed several prompt-related bugs, according to the changelog. |
| 04:26.28 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: What broke? |
| 04:26.40 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: And did you report it? |
| 04:26.42 | michal | well since nobody is willing to answer the fill question i'll try summarising it to something that mat be considered flamebait. i have built the debian kernel following the instructions in the kernel-package documentation and using the kernel configuration that is included with the kernel-image package distributed by debian. why does the debian package load the hdd controller drivers correctly while the kernel built according to instru |
| 04:26.45 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, run a bios making program and dd the disk |
| 04:26.54 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, yea that would be painful on dial up |
| 04:26.56 | michal | s/fill/full |
| 04:26.56 | guestish | wheat: its linux's 3d modelling sensation :) |
| 04:26.58 | Guerin | hrm, is it sheer madness to fuck with hdparm settings during a big read/write action from one disk to another? |
| 04:27.01 | wheat | guestish: wot... ok i'll look into it, i use several like lightwave and zbrush on pc and they are indisposible |
| 04:27.06 | JoshTriplett | !bless Guerin |
| 04:27.06 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Guerin, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 04:27.07 | Guerin | like, turning dma on, for example? |
| 04:27.08 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: It's having trouble with the length of the line again, and no, I never bother with reporting bugs on bash. |
| 04:27.18 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, yup |
| 04:27.19 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/exportcompliance.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&fileid=68417&p=HTTP |
| 04:27.20 | wheat | guestish: i doubt it is a sensation, but i will look into it |
| 04:27.21 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: The maintainer doesn't listen. |
| 04:27.24 | guestish | wheat: heh |
| 04:27.25 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: thought so. |
| 04:27.26 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Then how do you expect it to be fixed? |
| 04:27.38 | Guerin | I guess I'll just stick it out... only another 8G to go |
| 04:27.40 | wheat | guestish: it renders on openGL? |
| 04:27.45 | guestish | wheat: its very powerful, though it doesnt have 2 programs like lightwave, it integrates both into 1 program |
| 04:27.45 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, but you should try it anyway. Should be fun for us if nothing else |
| 04:27.51 | guestish | wheat: i dunno, probably |
| 04:27.51 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: You can't run 2.05 forever. |
| 04:28.01 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: no thanks, this is all my data you're talking about |
| 04:28.06 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: (a) I'm not sure it's a bug in bash, or something odd about my prompt, (b) I don't expect it to be fixed |
| 04:28.09 | wheat | guestish: tank u very mucho, i'll look into it |
| 04:28.15 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: all my mp3s and lots of photos... |
| 04:28.18 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, OK if you are going to be that way |
| 04:28.27 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, well in that case be careful |
| 04:28.29 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: And of course I can run 2.05 forever. |
| 04:28.31 | guestish | :) |
| 04:28.34 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Not that I would. |
| 04:28.42 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: OK. True enough. |
| 04:28.53 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: You would eventually run into breakage though. |
| 04:29.02 | wheat | guestish: yup, opengl of course |
| 04:29.06 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Like other stuff depending on it. |
| 04:29.10 | guestish | wheat: that good or bad? |
| 04:29.16 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Whoa. |
| 04:29.19 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, are we doing the bof meeting again this year? |
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| 04:29.20 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Why is that? |
| 04:29.25 | michal | for fucks sake how many times do i have to rebuild a kernel in order for it to boot both booth and work correctly under debian? especially given that i do it correctly every time and it still doesn't work |
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| 04:29.30 | wheat | guestish: good, it imports too .. daddy like |
| 04:29.42 | scarynetworkguy | Lords Of Acid :) |
| 04:29.44 | Deadboy | hello everybody |
| 04:29.47 | guestish | wheat: cool |
| 04:29.50 | JoshTriplett | michal: What breaks? |
| 04:29.52 | sonew | I just installed icewm. How do I start it? |
| 04:30.02 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Given the stupidities in d-i, and where the kernel is apparently going, it's not something I'm sure I want to be a part of. |
| 04:30.05 | ugly | sonew: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 04:30.13 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Huh, and Huh? |
| 04:30.15 | michal | JoshTriplett: well this time it tries mounting partitions before it loads the driver for their controller |
| 04:30.16 | guestish | wheat: i havent really done much 3d modeling, so i dont know much about it |
| 04:30.17 | Deadboy | could i pose a noobish question for anybody who understands debian? |
| 04:30.29 | ugly | Deadboy: don't ask to ask, just ask |
| 04:30.30 | mwilson | ugly: Uh, why would he mess with the alternative? |
| 04:30.36 | scarynetworkguy | Deadboy, no |
| 04:30.47 | wheat | guestish: well, i have seen other projects, but not this one |
| 04:30.47 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: dunno... is there one? |
| 04:30.48 | Deadboy | i see why you make that point ugly |
| 04:30.53 | JoshTriplett | michal: Strange. |
| 04:30.59 | wheat | guestish: apparantly it is common 8 |
| 04:31.03 | ugly | mwilson: that's The Debian Way of choosing the default wm, correct? |
| 04:31.05 | JoshTriplett | michal: Do the stock kernels not work? |
| 04:31.10 | mwilson | ugly: Uh, no. |
| 04:31.11 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, Im not sure |
| 04:31.19 | ugly | mwilson: then people have lead me wrong |
| 04:31.21 | michal | jasht: stock kernel doesn't fully support my hardware |
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| 04:31.33 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: 1) What is stupid in d-i? 2) Where is the kernel going that you don't like? (Just curious.) |
| 04:31.35 | michal | JoshTriplett: stock kernel doesn't fully support my hardware |
| 04:31.43 | JoshTriplett | michal: In what way? |
| 04:31.44 | Deadboy | Well, I have installed debian, cudos to myself, but the GUI hates me and wants me to die, it gives me an error on bootup, saying the NICE value is set to 0 instead of -10 as required, anybody know how to work around this error and get to a GUI? |
| 04:31.46 | JoshTriplett | michal: What device? |
| 04:31.53 | sonew | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.53 | sonew | ----------------------------------------------- |
| 04:31.53 | sonew | *+ 1 /usr/X11R6/bin/twm |
| 04:31.53 | sonew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:31.53 | guestish | wheat: i think its what people use to make some games |
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| 04:32.00 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Apparently stability is no longer a goal of the kernel. That's going to be left to the vendors. I'm not about to run a Debian kernel, and I'm not about to switch distributions, thus... |
| 04:32.02 | wheat | michal: wot are you running, is it even a compy? |
| 04:32.04 | JoshTriplett | Deadboy: That shouldn't be an error. |
| 04:32.07 | helix | sonew: paste in #flood mmkay |
| 04:32.13 | michal | JoshTriplett: in the way that it doesn't enable the OSD feature in a driver I use |
| 04:32.17 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, that link work for you |
| 04:32.17 | sonew | sorry |
| 04:32.18 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: I seriously doubt that. |
| 04:32.27 | wheat | guestish: so i read, but i'm only doing stills |
| 04:32.33 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: I don't think the hype means that. |
| 04:32.39 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Do you read lkml or kerneltrap? Perhaps you should, before you say that. |
| 04:32.39 | guestish | wheat: whatcha making? |
| 04:32.44 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: I have. |
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| 04:32.48 | helix | JoshTriplett: what do you think it means? that's basically what it says on lkml. |
| 04:32.51 | ugly | sonew: well if mwilson is correct in saying that the correct way is NOT using update-alternatives, then just edit (or create) an ~/.xsession file (if you use x/g/kdm), or .xinitrc if you use 'startx' |
| 04:32.53 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: The "there won't be a 2.7". |
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| 04:33.00 | Guerin | ... yet. |
| 04:33.02 | wheat | guestish: maybe i'll show ya sometime 8) i just downloaded it, so lemme try it |
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| 04:33.11 | Deadboy | i have tried reinstalling it about 10 times, and im about to go texas chainsaw massacre on my computer, i know i put in all the graphics card configurations correctly |
| 04:33.12 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: ugh. what moron designed this POS? |
| 04:33.13 | guestish | wheat: alright, you dont have a gallery online? |
| 04:33.18 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: I think the real issue is that there isn't really "lets break stuff" stuff that wants to go in. |
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| 04:33.29 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: So there's no need for a "lets break stuff" tree yet. |
| 04:33.30 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, DELL |
| 04:33.32 | Guerin | but there will be one euventually, and then I expect that things will revert to how they were. |
| 04:33.36 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, hence my problem |
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| 04:33.40 | wheat | guestish: i am redoing my entire portfolio, and site, actually |
| 04:33.43 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Right. |
| 04:33.45 | guestish | wheat: cool |
| 04:33.47 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Uh, apparently you're not reading the same lkml that I am. |
| 04:33.50 | wheat | guestish, it will be back online soon |
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| 04:33.55 | michal | so nobody here knows why debian stupidly tries to mount things before it loads drivers for them? |
| 04:34.11 | wheat | guestish: i am making a client for msn messneger, in the browser and with flash |
| 04:34.20 | MerlinCorey | ah... |
| 04:34.22 | mwilson | michal: It doesn't. I'm sure it's PEBCAK on your part, as usual. |
| 04:34.23 | MerlinCorey | I love reno911 |
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| 04:34.28 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: yeah, it doesn't even run in dos mode... you've got to have a windows machine to even make the disk images. |
| 04:34.30 | wheat | guestish: it has been done b4, but not well, only with popups |
| 04:34.32 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Yes, I did read that. I don't think it's accurate, or likely to really happen that way. |
| 04:34.44 | Guerin | wheat: oh, great, a proprietary plugin required for a proprietary protocol to work. I can't wait. |
| 04:34.45 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: and not surprisingly, wine doesn't like the POS at all. |
| 04:35.03 | guestish | wheat: you mean an installess client? |
| 04:35.09 | michal | mwislon: if anything it's a fault in kernel-package. i followed the instructions and used the config from the debian kernel package. it should work with the same settings but it doesn't |
| 04:35.12 | wheat | guestish: hmm? |
| 04:35.14 | guestish | wheat: like you go to the webpage and just open it up there? |
| 04:35.18 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, well he doesn't want to be using that commie OSS stuff |
| 04:35.24 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: As for d-i, with the stupid switch to grub, and forcing hardware detection that's spotty at best, and this idea that Sid should be an installable target, it's just not something I want to mess with. |
| 04:35.29 | wheat | guestish: i mean you can chat on the webpage |
| 04:35.29 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: hell no. |
| 04:35.32 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, I know |
| 04:35.36 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, damn hippies |
| 04:35.37 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, hence my problem |
| 04:35.39 | wheat | guestish: to your contacts in msn |
| 04:35.41 | huhlig | im a windows free house |
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| 04:35.55 | guestish | wheat: right, you dont have to install anything, the client is on the webserver |
| 04:36.02 | guestish | wheat: cept flash or java or whatever |
| 04:36.05 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: nothing wrong with a hippie |
| 04:36.06 | wheat | guestish: exactly |
| 04:36.21 | Guerin | mwilson: you're damn right about being able to choose unstable, but I'm all in favour of grub and hardware detection. |
| 04:36.23 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey, you ever been to Eugene? |
| 04:36.28 | wheat | guestish: java 8( sorry, i like it but i'm leaning away from it lately |
| 04:36.30 | Guerin | if the hardware detection works, that is. |
| 04:36.32 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: Wouldn't that put you in the general vicinity of Portland? |
| 04:36.37 | guestish | wheat: cool, just be careful, micro$oft has a bad habit of changing protocols on ya |
| 04:36.45 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett, about 100 mile south of |
| 04:36.47 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Same here. Plus the hardware detection can be disabled. |
| 04:36.50 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: Ah. |
| 04:36.52 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 04:36.52 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: yeah, I only have the one machine here... primarily cause I haven't bothered to stick anything else on it yet... [a P120..] |
| 04:36.54 | guestish | wheat: flash is purdier than java :) |
| 04:36.58 | mwilson | Guerin: There is no reason for grub for 99.99999% of users. All it is is another way for morons to shoot themselves in the foot. |
| 04:37.00 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: I suck at navigation. |
| 04:37.01 | wheat | guestish: it is good for servlets but that's all, in my opinion, i don't like the interface coding for vm, etc etc |
| 04:37.01 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett, up |
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| 04:37.13 | wheat | guestish: or the way you put it |
| 04:37.19 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: no; sounds like it's in the emerald triangle, though... |
| 04:37.19 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Or a great way to prevent them from doing so. |
| 04:37.25 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: Not so. |
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| 04:37.31 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey, damn hippies |
| 04:37.35 | guestish | wheat: cept i dont know how well flash is supported on linux, the client seems to have issues some of the time |
| 04:37.47 | wheat | guestish: no, i got the proto handled, it has to be backwards compatible for their clients |
| 04:37.48 | guestish | wheat: even though it is supposedly the official client from macromedia |
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| 04:37.52 | MerlinCorey | lol... |
| 04:37.52 | JoshTriplett | guestish: The answer is "not at all for many people". |
| 04:37.56 | MerlinCorey | was I correct, scarynetworkguy..? |
| 04:38.00 | dumbintel | how do I stop services in debian? |
| 04:38.02 | Guerin | mwilson: I disagree. Grub makes installing new kernels more painless, if you take my meaning. Not having to manually add initrd lines, automatically updateing when a new kernel is installed, etc... |
| 04:38.04 | wheat | guestish: issues? |
| 04:38.08 | JoshTriplett | dumbintel: /etc/init.d/service stop |
| 04:38.14 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Right. |
| 04:38.14 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: grub is not "better" than lilo, it has features lilo doesn't. |
| 04:38.14 | wheat | guestish: i have flash plugin with no issues..? |
| 04:38.15 | guestish | wheat: yeah, it doesnt work sometimes with some flash files |
| 04:38.20 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey, I got no idea what you are talking about |
| 04:38.21 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Oops, sorry. |
| 04:38.23 | michal | looks like i have to go back to a kernel with fucked up sata write performance :( i just can't rebuild kernels indefinetly and have them fail to work properly every time |
| 04:38.25 | guestish | wheat: its playing, not installing where the problems crop up |
| 04:38.27 | Guerin | more painless = equivocation |
| 04:38.32 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: hrm... that thing doesn't work at all. |
| 04:38.33 | guestish | wheat: i dont know why, it just does |
| 04:38.34 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: pity... |
| 04:38.36 | mwilson | Guerin: grub no more automatically updates when an new kernel is installed than lilo or anything else does. |
| 04:38.49 | wheat | guestish: i have run swf just fine under linux |
| 04:38.51 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: Sure it does. |
| 04:38.53 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey, I think it's cause I bathe too much |
| 04:38.56 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: No, it doesn't. |
| 04:39.00 | guestish | wheat: most work fine, but from time to time there are problems with files |
| 04:39.03 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: it starts up, but it won't write to A: (presumably because it thinks it is intelligent) |
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| 04:39.07 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: It does in Debian. :) |
| 04:39.13 | wheat | guestish: hrm .. never seen any |
| 04:39.16 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: No, it doesn't. |
| 04:39.19 | Guerin | mwilson: it did for me, on the new box I just installed sartge on via d-i. |
| 04:39.27 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: what's your implication..? |
| 04:39.28 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: You can make update-grub run automatically when you install a kernel image .deb |
| 04:39.31 | guestish | wheat: it comes up when you play any file that doesnt use only basic flash animation |
| 04:39.42 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, can you format a win95 boot floppy and copy this to it then |
| 04:39.43 | michal | mwislon: yes it does. at least when installed with d-i |
| 04:39.44 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: A kernel-image package modifies the menu file, same as a kernel-image package modifies lilo.conf. |
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| 04:39.48 | wheat | guestish: explain ..? |
| 04:39.52 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: yeah, sure... |
| 04:39.54 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: *GRUB* does nothing. |
| 04:40.02 | guestish | wheat: im trying to, but its hard to unless i had a file handy that didnt work |
| 04:40.04 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: So let's not play at semantics. |
| 04:40.07 | guestish | wheat: which unfortuately i dont =( |
| 04:40.11 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/exportcompliance.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=gen&fileid=68414&p=HTTP |
| 04:40.11 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: OK then. |
| 04:40.23 | MerlinCorey | scarynetworkguy: perhaps there is something wrong with your shampoo..? |
| 04:40.25 | wheat | guestish: basic animation..? wot is complex? |
| 04:40.35 | guestish | wheat: im just saying b4 you finish the client make sure that it runs on the linux version of the flash player :) |
| 04:40.37 | Guerin | mwilson: , no, when I installed the new kernel on my new sarge box, the ouput to the console looked suspiciously like that of update-grub |
| 04:40.41 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: that's the same thing, right? |
| 04:40.43 | guestish | wheat: just forget it |
| 04:40.45 | dumbintel | is exim4 important? |
| 04:40.47 | willtmo | I just build myself a kernel (my 1st) and now I have a problem. When I boot using it I get this message : "fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda6/" and then tells me that it can't read the ext2 partition although it is actually an ext3. Suggestions are welcome. |
| 04:40.50 | wheat | guestish: aight, it works fine on mine i mean .. |
| 04:40.54 | MerlinCorey | dumbintel: that's mail |
| 04:40.56 | MerlinCorey | server |
| 04:40.58 | guestish | wheat: forget it! :) |
| 04:41.03 | guestish | wheat: what i said never existed |
| 04:41.07 | wheat | guestish: heh |
| 04:41.08 | mwilson | Guerin: Yes, because the postinst of the kernel-image package you installed updated it. *GRUB* didn't magically detect a new kernel. |
| 04:41.10 | michal | grub is better at allowing you to recover from misconfiguration though. you can change the paramaters it uses to boot with from within the boot menu |
| 04:41.18 | dumbintel | MerlinCorey: if I'm not using it, is it fine to uninstall it? |
| 04:41.21 | wheat | grub rulez |
| 04:41.24 | guestish | ya |
| 04:41.28 | guestish | their boot disks rock |
| 04:42.02 | MerlinCorey | dumbintel: I'm not a complete expert; I believe you can remove, but there are quite a few programs that use your internal mail system to notifyyou of things... |
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| 04:42.07 | MerlinCorey | so it might be good to keep it... |
| 04:42.18 | michal | willtmo: i get this too.. but it happens because the drivers of for the hdd controller are not loaded when it tries to boot |
| 04:42.29 | dumbintel | well, the problem is I can't have any servers on my network once I get to college |
| 04:42.38 | dumbintel | so I don't want it interfering |
| 04:42.47 | mwilson | michal: Joe Stupid isn't misconfiguring kernels. |
| 04:42.53 | MerlinCorey | do dpkg-reconfigure exim |
| 04:42.57 | michal | willtmo: if i hit ctrl-d and let it boot and then mount the partitions it works.. but that's FAR from practical |
| 04:43.01 | MerlinCorey | and tell it to only do local delivery... |
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| 04:43.23 | mwilson | Someone who needs grub is competent to *install* it. Otherwise, it's just leet features that look good on a page, but are meaningless to users. |
| 04:43.30 | michal | mwilson: there are few people who can use the kernel that comes prebuilt.. at least that's been my experience |
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| 04:43.40 | mwilson | michal: I have no doubt. |
| 04:44.17 | willtmo | thank you michal. |
| 04:44.30 | mwilson | The fact that you can't disable hardware detect means that I have no use for d-i. |
| 04:44.42 | guestish | mwilson: glad to hear it |
| 04:44.47 | wheat | guestish: WOT IN THE HELL DOOD |
| 04:44.51 | guestish | wheat: ? |
| 04:44.54 | mwilson | guestish: Oh? |
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| 04:44.58 | guestish | wheat: what'd i do? |
| 04:45.02 | wheat | guestish: blender's the best 3d for lin ive seen yet |
| 04:45.05 | guestish | mwilson: im spouting gibberish, ignore me |
| 04:45.12 | guestish | ;) |
| 04:45.14 | wheat | guestish: just using it now 8D!!! |
| 04:45.18 | guestish | wheat: cool |
| 04:45.28 | deadcat | i am trying to disable aterm's window border in openbox, using devilspie. any clue? |
| 04:45.29 | guestish | wheat: it on par w/ lightwave? |
| 04:45.36 | mwilson | So, basically, any machine d-i screws up on, like the one sitting next to me, you just can't install on. |
| 04:45.40 | wheat | guestish: um.. yes, but i miss zbrush |
| 04:45.41 | michal | at first i had to use a patch for one of my usb devices to be supported.. then the patch stopped working because the kernel internals changed a bit.. so i rewrote the patch and submitted it to the kernel.. now at least that works out of the box.. the problem is that a feature i need is not enabled by the debian kernel maintainers. so i have to rebuild it with one extra option enabled |
| 04:45.46 | guestish | wheat: heh |
| 04:45.48 | guestish | wheat: whats that? |
| 04:46.01 | wheat | guestish: i can use alternatives for things like photoshop etc, but zbrush is unique |
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| 04:46.07 | mwilson | deadcat: devilspie looks for a particular WM_CLASS, as per its documentation. |
| 04:46.17 | guestish | wheat: what is this zbrush you speak of? |
| 04:46.24 | wheat | guestish: er .. it renders as you model, flawlessly and very fast |
| 04:46.29 | deadcat | mwilson: ya. the doc drove me mad. )= |
| 04:46.33 | guestish | wheat: oh |
| 04:46.36 | wheat | guestish: you can paint textures right on the 3d model too |
| 04:46.38 | roast | how do I get sed to call an external program on replacement part of a s/// command? |
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| 04:46.42 | mwilson | The d-i people see no reason to address the possibility that their wonderful detection algorithms might not be so wonderful. |
| 04:46.42 | wheat | guestish: it is very genious |
| 04:46.43 | guestish | wheat: o_O |
| 04:46.51 | guestish | wheat: thats sick |
| 04:46.51 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, not quite |
| 04:46.59 | wheat | guestish: very sick, and fast too |
| 04:47.05 | guestish | wheat: yeah, i dunno of any linux alternative for that, but you can try www.freshmeat.net |
| 04:47.15 | wheat | guestish: take it from me, i was using it on my pentium 1 |
| 04:47.16 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: eh, stupid floppy here doesn't like this floppy... |
| 04:47.21 | guestish | wheat: ooo |
| 04:47.24 | guestish | wheat: and it worked? |
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| 04:47.36 | wheat | guestish: um.. not on linux tho |
| 04:47.42 | guestish | wheat: heh |
| 04:47.50 | guestish | wheat: you probably can run it on wine, but it would be slower |
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| 04:48.00 | mwilson | I'll be putting oBSD on my test machine here soon to get a real feel for it on i386. I like it on my parisc box. |
| 04:48.01 | wheat | guestish: that is wot i waz talking about |
| 04:48.13 | wheat | guestish: and i am surprised, wine is exceptionally fast |
| 04:48.16 | guestish | wheat: but its best to use linux alternatives for everything you can |
| 04:48.18 | guestish | wheat: meh... |
| 04:48.25 | wheat | guestish: true that |
| 04:48.33 | guestish | wheat: well its just API emulation, its not a full emulator which probably helps |
| 04:48.50 | wheat | guestish: i got zbrush to start under wind, but the mouse locks; i heard an older v. works tho |
| 04:49.03 | guestish | wheat: theres 2 branches: wine and winex |
| 04:49.04 | wheat | guestish: wine * |
| 04:49.19 | michal | what is the secret to building a kernel image just like that downloadable from debian? |
| 04:49.20 | peterS | dondelelcaro: maybe a SuperDrive. I once had a bad experience with those. the NT boot floppies were not amused. I figure the Debian install floppies wouldn't have been either |
| 04:49.22 | wheat | guestish: i know, it doesn't need dX tho |
| 04:49.22 | guestish | wheat: winex has a free cvs branch which compiles a good amount of the time |
| 04:49.35 | guestish | wheat: it still has improvements in areas involving graphics |
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| 04:49.41 | guestish | wheat: afaik |
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| 04:49.46 | dondelelcaro | peterS: the real superdrives (the apple 1.44 ones) are pretty nice... but this isn't even an ls120 |
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| 04:49.54 | guestish | wheat: just doesnt have the copywrite decrpytion on cds |
| 04:49.56 | peterS | dondelelcaro: that's what I meant, LS120 |
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| 04:50.02 | guestish | copyright* |
| 04:50.03 | pulaski | hello |
| 04:50.05 | deadcat | mwilson: you use devilspie? |
| 04:50.30 | wheat | guestish: ill be back, i wanna try sum of this blender, thx man |
| 04:50.34 | wheat | guestish: latta |
| 04:50.35 | guestish | wheat: happy blendin |
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| 04:50.43 | dumbintel | how can I make sure services don't start when linux reboots? |
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| 04:50.57 | guestish | dumbintel: append single to your boot line |
| 04:51.15 | guestish | dumbintel: it goes into matience mode |
| 04:51.22 | guestish | dumbintel: for a more permanent solutino remove the package |
| 04:51.26 | guestish | solution* |
| 04:51.29 | danielon | i want to install LyX in my unstable but it claim some error |
| 04:51.40 | mwilson | deadcat: No. |
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| 04:51.52 | mwilson | deadcat: No use for it. |
| 04:51.59 | pulaski | Has anyone here experienced failure in the login procedure on woody running on a pc486 with kernel 2.4.18 where user cannot login at conosle? Login prompt goes away then comes back no passwrd prmpt. |
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| 04:52.21 | guestish | anyone here ever have any experience w/ netbsd? |
| 04:52.32 | pulaski | However I am able to logi in X as mike |
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| 04:53.09 | pulaski | mmike is my reg user name |
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| 04:53.39 | deadcat | mwilson: ya. besides making aterm borderless its pretty useless. seems buggy too. |
| 04:53.40 | N1tr0 | I just apt-get dselect-upgrad'd and it dropped my ldap database!!! |
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| 04:53.51 | N1tr0 | slapd that is |
| 04:53.57 | Caelum | N1tr0: did it leave a backup somewhere? |
| 04:54.03 | N1tr0 | ??? |
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| 04:54.17 | N1tr0 | Not in /var/lib/ldap |
| 04:54.35 | danielon | i want to know if anywhone can apt-get install lyx currently |
| 04:54.37 | Caelum | N1tr0: anything in /var/backups? |
| 04:54.37 | the_nemes | hey guys.. how do I upgrade the kernel the debian way? something like apt-get install linux-kernel-* |
| 04:54.40 | the_nemes | thanx |
| 04:54.42 | N1tr0 | Anyone else have this happen? |
| 04:54.50 | danielon | i'am interested in test LyX |
| 04:55.07 | danielon | why is not available currently |
| 04:55.29 | mick_laptop | anyone use korganizer? |
| 04:55.36 | danielon | my debian claim some packages referenece them |
| 04:55.39 | mick_laptop | i'd like to subscribe to a calendar (like i do w/ iCal on OSX) |
| 04:55.40 | Guerin | mwilson: hrm, seems you're not wrong about the kernel update. The point about initrd stands, though. |
| 04:55.44 | Guerin | yay! |
| 04:55.46 | huhlig | mick_, I do |
| 04:55.47 | danielon | but is not found |
| 04:55.59 | N1tr0 | Caelum, you're the man! There it is!!!! |
| 04:55.59 | N1tr0 | Big Thx!! |
| 04:56.06 | mwilson | Guerin: What about initrd? |
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| 04:56.23 | mick_laptop | huhlig: how can i subscribe to a calendar that i have on my server (via mod_dav) |
| 04:56.31 | mwilson | Guerin: The fact that kernel-image packages fsck up on initrd's is a problem with kernel-package, not lilo or grub. |
| 04:56.39 | Guerin | mwilson: having to add initrd lines manually to lilo is a PITA, and it fools people who don't read the doc. |
| 04:56.55 | mwilson | Guerin: It's absolutely idiotic that a kernel-image package would TELL you to modify lilo.conf, and not do it FOR you. |
| 04:56.57 | mick_laptop | huhlig: or is it not possible yet? |
| 04:57.07 | hax | anyone here used a socket754? opinions? mobos? |
| 04:57.21 | mick_laptop | i see that i can export from iCal to korganizer |
| 04:57.24 | huhlig | dont know that one |
| 04:57.37 | mick_laptop | thanks anyhow :) |
| 04:57.44 | Caelum | danielon: I just installed lyx-qt from sid |
| 04:57.51 | mwilson | Guerin: I can't use kernel-image packages, even if I wanted to, because they depend on the idiotic idea that symlinks should be used to point to kernels. |
| 04:57.53 | Guerin | mwilson: that's true. I can't think my way through scripting something which detects, parses and correctly modifies the bootloader file, though. |
| 04:58.13 | tcsetattr | how can you not read the doc when apt-get install kernel-image-* throws the doc in your face and forces you to say "Yes I really do want to go ahead" |
| 04:58.15 | danielon | Caelum: when?? |
| 04:58.19 | Guerin | mwilson: why can't you use that? |
| 04:58.25 | Caelum | mwilson: there's an /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 04:58.27 | mwilson | tcsetattr: Because people are stupid. |
| 04:58.32 | Guerin | tcsetattr: good question, but it does happen. |
| 04:58.36 | tcsetattr | mwilson, you got something against symlinks? you're more reactionary than me! |
| 04:58.39 | danielon | Caelum: i can't currently |
| 04:58.44 | Caelum | danielon: just now |
| 04:58.44 | the_nemes | hey guys.. how do I upgrade the kernel the debian way? something like apt-get install linux-kernel-* I forgot the exact way to put it |
| 04:59.01 | tcsetattr | symlinks have been around since what... 3.0BSD? |
| 04:59.10 | Guerin | the_nemes: apt-cache search kernel-image, then choose one and apt-het install it |
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| 04:59.24 | the_nemes | thank you |
| 04:59.24 | mwilson | Guerin: I can't configure kernel-image to correctly add a new entry to either lilo or grub. They both depend on a symlink pointing to the default kernel. I happen to think that's incredibly stupid. |
| 04:59.25 | the_nemes | (: |
| 04:59.28 | guestish | tcsetattr: that you know that scares me |
| 04:59.34 | mwilson | I never said I didn't like symlinks. |
| 04:59.50 | tcsetattr | I'm taking a guess. I know BSD invented symlinks and I know it was a long time before I ever heard of unix |
| 04:59.58 | guestish | heh |
| 05:00.04 | Caelum | mwilson: try do_boot_enable = No |
| 05:00.10 | guestish | 3.0 sounds like something from 15 yrs ago |
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| 05:00.26 | mwilson | Caelum: Then it doesn't do anything, which is worse than useless. |
| 05:00.31 | Caelum | mwilson: my boot is a fat32 partition, so it still kinda fucks up even with everything I configured |
| 05:00.39 | Caelum | mwilson: I just edit my menu.lst by hand... |
| 05:00.44 | Guerin | mwilson: ok, so you choose not to use symlinks to kernel images because they're damn stupid. That's a design choice you've made which breaks a debian subsystem for you. |
| 05:00.45 | Caelum | mwilson: you don't have to reinstall grub every time |
| 05:00.57 | mwilson | Caelum: So what? |
| 05:00.58 | Guerin | Caelum: fat32 /boot? My, that IS stupid. |
| 05:01.06 | guestish | whats wrong with custom kernels?!?!? |
| 05:01.15 | Caelum | Guerin: I wanted to be able to edit menu.lst from windows |
| 05:01.16 | mwilson | guestish: Who said anything was? |
| 05:01.27 | guestish | you guys are making such a big deal over kernel-images, who cares |
| 05:01.31 | Guerin | Caelum: ecch |
| 05:01.37 | danielon | Caelum: can you tell me the servers in sources.list |
| 05:01.41 | guestish | the people who use kernel-images really dont care how they are set up |
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| 05:01.55 | Caelum | danielon: try apt-spy |
| 05:02.03 | tcsetattr | ahh, The symlink() system call appeared in 4.2BSD. |
| 05:02.03 | Guerin | guestish: we're having a reasonable discussion. Cope. |
| 05:02.07 | guestish | Guerin: ;) |
| 05:02.12 | mwilson | guestish: I happen to think kernel-package is an instrument of the devil, but that's just me. |
| 05:02.17 | tcsetattr | symlink isn't as old as I thought. It's only as old as socket() |
| 05:02.30 | danielon | Caelum: thanks i will learn it |
| 05:02.36 | guestish | mwilson: heh... |
| 05:02.44 | mwilson | guestish: It makes almost as many assumptions about how things are set up as the install target in the kernel makefile does. |
| 05:02.54 | Morph | hmm is the package maintainer of cron about? |
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| 05:03.08 | mwilson | Morph: Gods, can't you be bothered to look at the BTS? |
| 05:03.11 | Caelum | mwilson: I rather like being able to do make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version -whatever kernel_image modules_image # (and have modules_image compile all the crap like hostap, sl-modem, etc. automatically) |
| 05:03.20 | Morph | mwilson: fuck off. |
| 05:03.39 | Guerin | !order |
| 05:03.39 | dpkg | i heard order is if you're having trouble with something: 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and possibly worse. |
| 05:03.40 | Caelum | Morph: calm down |
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| 05:03.44 | Guerin | Morph: ^^ |
| 05:03.48 | mwilson | Already there's three duplicate bugs filed against cron by people who can't read. |
| 05:04.04 | Caelum | and there's a new cron in incoming |
| 05:04.18 | Caelum | incoming.debian.org |
| 05:04.25 | Guerin | Morph: your answer is in step 4 of the above. You've skipped forward to step 7. Go to the back of the line. |
| 05:04.25 | mwilson | tcsetattr: The -84 package has no binaries in it. :) |
| 05:04.39 | Guerin | (do not pass go, do not collect 200 karma points |
| 05:04.41 | Guerin | ) |
| 05:04.46 | tcsetattr | that sounds bad. |
| 05:04.50 | Caelum | heh |
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| 05:04.56 | Caelum | that's what unstable is for :) |
| 05:05.06 | Caelum | shit happens |
| 05:05.10 | guestish | mwilson: WTF |
| 05:05.19 | mwilson | tcsetattr: The maintainer has already fixed it, a new package is available, but of course most unstable users can't read, so they'll never know it exists. |
| 05:05.26 | guestish | mwilson: my cron disappeared =( |
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| 05:06.36 | tcsetattr | I should "upgrade" my home machine to sid so I can have fun like that. cron disappears. Oops! |
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| 05:07.19 | mwilson | tcsetattr: Every time you turn around, you have idiots telling cluebies that Sid is appropriate for general use. |
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| 05:07.25 | LucidVisionS | tcsetattr,,ive checked,cant seem to find any bug reports |
| 05:07.32 | Guerin | !sid bullshit |
| 05:07.32 | mwilson | tcsetattr: And now we have d-i facilitating that. |
| 05:07.33 | dpkg | < vandalai> mp3elv, with debian, even unstable is probably more stable than any other "stable" release you can find, if by stability you mean clean package installation and stuff like that. |
| 05:07.36 | LucidVisionS | im having the same prob |
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| 05:07.40 | ivan | is webmin a total POS that needs to be disabled? |
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| 05:07.45 | Guerin | ivan: yes |
| 05:07.47 | kaplanfx | mwilson: I'm an idiot and a clubie, and I'm using sid for general use :) |
| 05:07.49 | ivan | i thought so |
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| 05:07.58 | ivan | it was working so slow and there were millions of matches for security holes |
| 05:08.06 | guestish | oh well, it will be fixed eventually |
| 05:08.09 | ugly | kaplanfx: might as well wear a "mock me" sign |
| 05:08.11 | LucidVisionS | with cron |
| 05:08.11 | ivan | i need some type of backup SSH server |
| 05:08.16 | mwilson | guestish: It already is. |
| 05:08.27 | Guerin | kaplanfx: you could rephrase that as "I'm using sid for general use SO I'm an idiot and a clubie" and it would remain mostly true |
| 05:08.29 | kaplanfx | ugly: I gots one of those too! |
| 05:08.33 | guestish | mwilson: since when? |
| 05:08.34 | Guerin | ivan: ?? |
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| 05:08.39 | mwilson | http://incoming.debian.org/cron_3.0pl1-86_i386.deb |
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| 05:09.03 | kremlyn | How hard is it to get dual screen working under debian? (usinge either kde or gnome) ? |
| 05:09.03 | kaplanfx | Guerin: I guess I just like living on the edge (That and woody is older than my gradma) |
| 05:09.23 | kaplanfx | I guess I could use sarge, but I'm party of the gimme it now generation |
| 05:09.29 | Guerin | kaplanfx: I'm impressed, I didn't know newborns could type |
| 05:09.32 | guestish | mwilson: gracias |
| 05:09.39 | mwilson | I must be missing a \[ or \] |
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| 05:09.55 | kaplanfx | Guerin: I think the only prerequisite is opposable thumbs |
| 05:10.03 | Guerin | kaplanfx: it would appear so |
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| 05:10.29 | MrKeuner | hi, what is the convention to name the extension of text documents in posix? I'm assuming .txt is an ms win convention...? |
| 05:10.35 | Caelum | kremlyn: man <your-X-driver> |
| 05:10.39 | Caelum | kremlyn: ie, man radeon |
| 05:10.43 | mwilson | MrKeuner: You'd be wrong. |
| 05:10.44 | mick_laptop | huhlig: is it possible to see more than one calendar at the same time w/ korganizer? |
| 05:10.45 | kaplanfx | mwilson: my favorite question when I tell people is use debian is "Cool, show me how to install that on Windows!" |
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| 05:11.02 | mwilson | kaplanfx: I never tell people to use Debian. |
| 05:11.10 | kremlyn | Caelum: It's two separate cards.. a PCI and an AGP card.. |
| 05:11.15 | kaplanfx | mwilson: yeah me neither, I was trying to be funny |
| 05:11.43 | huhlig | mick_, yes but I couldnt tell you how offhand |
| 05:11.48 | tcsetattr | MrKeuner, I think you'll find files named "README" are far more common than files named 'README.txt' |
| 05:11.52 | Caelum | kaplanfx: point them to www.colinux.org (which is down right now, alas) |
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| 05:12.15 | mick_laptop | i'll look to see if it has a website/project page |
| 05:12.20 | mick_laptop | perhaps it has a faq |
| 05:12.21 | michal_ | ok.. i've partially discovered the missing link |
| 05:12.48 | michal_ | but i still need to know where to find the solution.. does anyone here know where i can find the modules file that debian use to build their initrd kernels? |
| 05:12.51 | kaplanfx | Caelum: I've actually taken a look at that, it looks from the page like it only runs japanese knoppix right now. |
| 05:12.58 | kaplanfx | or something of that nature |
| 05:13.08 | mick_laptop | huhlig: i found the subscribe |
| 05:13.10 | Caelum | kremlyn: something like this: http://www.linuxanswers.net/index.php?cmd=howto&key=dual-head-xinerama |
| 05:13.13 | Guerin | kaplanfx: not true |
| 05:13.18 | Caelum | kaplanfx: it runs debian |
| 05:13.20 | MrKeuner | tcsetattr/ yeah that is fine with me not using an extension but when it comes to text files sometimes it is hard for gnome to guess right application for a specific text file... |
| 05:13.27 | mick_laptop | huhlig: click on "add" under the calendar box on the lower left |
| 05:13.30 | kaplanfx | ah, well I haven't looked in a while time to check it out again |
| 05:13.34 | mick_laptop | and select "remote" |
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| 05:13.41 | Guerin | kaplanfx: I have a mate who does a shitload of work in a colinux install based on debian |
| 05:13.46 | tcsetattr | unix people tend to name files according to what makes sense in the situation, not according to the rigid idea that filenames should contain "type" information. |
| 05:13.52 | mwilson | Ah, that's what it was. |
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| 05:14.15 | mwilson | Missing two \[ \] pairs. |
| 05:14.17 | zinx | tcsetattr: we tend to not care about the placement of .'s and such either ;) |
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| 05:14.55 | doogle | ARG!! |
| 05:15.03 | tcsetattr | GNOME is not where you want to look for the answer to a question about unix conventions. GNOME and KDE are all about flipping the bird at convention |
| 05:15.04 | doogle | can someone help me with a MBR problem?? |
| 05:15.17 | mwilson | I wonder why that mattered, though... the fool prompt has a newline in it... |
| 05:15.32 | mwilson | Ah, bash 3.0 changes that. How wonderful. |
| 05:15.35 | michal_ | anyone? is it a debian secret? i'm sure they're not autodetected on build time or the kernel wouldn't work for most people |
| 05:15.35 | ygnome | doogle: just ask. |
| 05:15.41 | streuner | doogle: no, because you should ask first |
| 05:16.04 | streuner | !tell doogle about ask |
| 05:16.08 | tcsetattr | michal, you could apt-get source kernel-image-foo |
| 05:16.10 | doogle | There's some stupid Ontrack Disk Manager installed on a laptop I have (from it's former MSDOS days) that I can't get rid of |
| 05:16.19 | doogle | and when it's there, I can't boot to linux without a floppy |
| 05:16.30 | michal_ | tcsetattr: i could, but knowing my luck after waiting 2 hours for it to download i'd find that's not where it is |
| 05:16.35 | doogle | I've tried everything to get rid of it... but it won't go away!! |
| 05:16.35 | ygnome | doogle: fdisk /mbr |
| 05:16.38 | ygnome | ? |
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| 05:16.41 | Guerin | doogle: nuke the whole disk, or is it bios you're talking about? |
| 05:16.41 | doogle | tried it |
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| 05:17.00 | doogle | I don't know.. I would've thought it was in the MBR |
| 05:17.09 | doogle | but fdisk /mbr didn't work |
| 05:17.16 | doogle | and I just tried dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdx bs=512 count=1 |
| 05:17.17 | doogle | lol |
| 05:17.23 | zinx | .. |
| 05:17.24 | doogle | *hda |
| 05:17.30 | zinx | you just overwrote your partition table |
| 05:17.34 | doogle | yep |
| 05:17.36 | zinx | (along with the rest of the boot sector) |
| 05:17.40 | doogle | I'm getting desparate |
| 05:17.49 | zinx | what do you want to do? |
| 05:18.00 | zinx | oh |
| 05:18.02 | doogle | get rid of Ontrack |
| 05:18.11 | zinx | doogle: you have to boot off a floppy/cd |
| 05:18.17 | doogle | yep |
| 05:18.21 | michal_ | how could i list the contents of the initrd image? |
| 05:18.21 | doogle | thats the only way I can boot it |
| 05:18.38 | zinx | doogle: and it's still there? |
| 05:18.48 | tcsetattr | initrd is a "ramdisk" that contains a filesystem... you can mount it with -o loop |
| 05:18.53 | doogle | yeah... it's called "Dynamic Drive Overlay" |
| 05:19.05 | zinx | doogle: sure it's not part of the laptop? :x |
| 05:19.06 | doogle | and it says "Incompatible BIOS translation detected |
| 05:19.13 | michal_ | tcsetattr: i just did.. but will it be writable? |
| 05:19.18 | doogle | zinx: that's what I fear |
| 05:19.24 | tcsetattr | depends on the filesystem |
| 05:19.25 | streuner | so the partitiontable is also in MBR? |
| 05:19.27 | doogle | I hoped it wouldn't be a chip |
| 05:19.38 | zinx | streuner: yes |
| 05:19.57 | zinx | streuner: most programs are careful not to overwrite it |
| 05:20.03 | doogle | maybe I can flash BIOS? |
| 05:20.10 | streuner | zinx: doh, because i followed the convo... |
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| 05:20.35 | streuner | zinx: but, i wasn't sure... |
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| 05:20.40 | michal_ | tcsetattr: no it doesn't.. default.. cramfs |
| 05:21.13 | michal_ | and the answer is NO |
| 05:21.20 | michal_ | read-only file system.. screwed again |
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| 05:21.41 | ivan | my dedicated server setup my SSL/SSHD keys, should I regenerate them for security? |
| 05:21.46 | ivan | er, server provider |
| 05:21.58 | streuner | doogle: why you want flash the BIOS? BIOS is good enough... |
| 05:22.13 | michal_ | two VITAL modules aren't being loaded by initrd.. ata_piix and sd_mod |
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| 05:22.22 | tcsetattr | michal, apt-get isntall cramfsprogs to get the tool for creating it |
| 05:22.25 | da | how to truncate long line? |
| 05:22.28 | da | fmt doesn't work well |
| 05:22.38 | da | it only truncates those lines have spaces |
| 05:22.39 | node3667 | ^J in emacs ? |
| 05:22.50 | Guerin | doogle: what brand of laptop is it? |
| 05:22.50 | da | in console |
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| 05:23.04 | da | like I want to format a text file to max width =65 |
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| 05:23.18 | da | fmt does well on that line has space |
| 05:23.23 | tcsetattr | fmt doesn't truncate anything. It exchanges spaces with newlines but never removes anything else |
| 05:23.25 | michal_ | tcsetattr: i still wouldn't know how to create the image CORRECTLY.. and then the shit would hit the fan as usual :/ |
| 05:23.39 | Guerin | da: fold? |
| 05:23.43 | da | fold? |
| 05:23.45 | da | let me try |
| 05:23.46 | tcsetattr | michal, if you're compiling your own kernel why do you want to use initrd? |
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| 05:24.10 | michal_ | tcsetattr: because the configuration changes often enough that if i don't the machine won't boot |
| 05:24.27 | Guerin | what fun that must be |
| 05:25.08 | michal_ | yes.. it's dozens of hours of "fun" |
| 05:25.28 | michal_ | i think this is day 3 of the problems |
| 05:25.29 | tcsetattr | seems to me you could mount an existing initrd with -o loop, do a cp -r, then edit, then mkcramfs |
| 05:25.54 | e37 | is there a way to "rerun" the autodetection of network interfaces, not the modconf, but the one that was done during install? |
| 05:26.03 | michal_ | tcsetattr: wouldn't a cp -a be better? what paramaters does make-kpkg use to create the cramfs filesystem? |
| 05:26.09 | streuner | e37: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 05:26.20 | tcsetattr | cp -a is one of those new-fangled options I haven't adjusted myself to yet |
| 05:26.24 | tcsetattr | yes, go ahead and use that. |
| 05:26.34 | michal_ | ahh |
| 05:26.36 | michal_ | can't do that |
| 05:26.46 | michal_ | won't let me copy device nodes in the cramfs :/ |
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| 05:27.01 | tcsetattr | then tar it up and untar it! or cpio |
| 05:27.14 | tcsetattr | and you have to be root to create device nodes of course |
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| 05:27.20 | snadge | anyone know what packages i need to install to get original quake working on debian sid? |
| 05:27.25 | snadge | i've got libc5 libs installed |
| 05:27.38 | snadge | but its missing some X libraries... how can that be, im running X :P |
| 05:27.38 | michal_ | tcsetattr: i am root.. but it tries to create hard links |
| 05:27.39 | zinx | snadge: install one of the updated engines instead :/ |
| 05:27.50 | snadge | updated engine? |
| 05:27.51 | snappy2 | do most of backports.org packages come from unstable/testing but modified to run on stable? |
| 05:27.53 | snadge | where :P |
| 05:27.58 | zinx | snadge: twilight, quakeforge, etc |
| 05:28.03 | roast | how do I get a "for route in $(commands);" to make $route be deliminated by newlines and not spaces? |
| 05:28.10 | tcsetattr | screw cp -a then. tar -C srcdir -cf - | ( mkdir dstdir ; tar -C dstdir -xf -) |
| 05:28.39 | michal_ | what's the -C ? |
| 05:28.54 | michal_ | i mean why the -C ? |
| 05:28.55 | tcsetattr | man tar |
| 05:29.12 | e37 | streuner: not sure what you mean by /msg I tried a simple dpkg interfaces |
| 05:29.31 | michal_ | yeah.. still.. why the -C ? |
| 05:29.44 | kaplanfx | ok so most of the docs that come with debian packages in the /usr/share/doc dirs are in .gz format with permission such that root only can un-gzip them, so is there some method setup for users to be able to read them or do I need to su to root and unzip them everytime? |
| 05:29.55 | streuner | !tell e37 about e37 |
| 05:30.00 | streuner | !tell e37 about interfaces |
| 05:30.02 | streuner | sorry |
| 05:30.13 | tcsetattr | dude, that was not a perfect command line. I don't intend you to just run it, you're supposed to be inspired and go use tar. read then man page if you need it |
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| 05:30.36 | danielon | kaplanfx: try zgrep |
| 05:30.37 | tcsetattr | kaplanfx, users can use zless |
| 05:30.43 | kaplanfx | ahh |
| 05:30.50 | michal_ | now so i have the modified filesystem in directory tmp |
| 05:30.51 | kaplanfx | exactly the type of thing I was looking for |
| 05:30.59 | kaplanfx | thanks tcsetattr |
| 05:31.18 | streuner | michal_: don't touch the permissions in /tmp |
| 05:31.22 | kaplanfx | worked like a charm :) |
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| 05:31.50 | e37 | I figure ifxx and what not to get the eth up and know about configuring it for either dhcp/static, but was wondering about probing for the module |
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| 05:32.15 | michal_ | streuner: i'm IN /tmp not changing it's permissions |
| 05:32.39 | dserban | Oh boy, just taking this moment to say... I FUCKING HATE X 4.3.0.1 ... that is all |
| 05:32.59 | michal_ | i'm trying to find the cramfs command line that make-kpkg uses.. but i can't find it |
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| 05:33.27 | dserban | on that note... anyone know where I can see what options I can pass the radeon driver in X? I can't find squat on the net, either that, or it doesn't have any driver specific options. |
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| 05:33.58 | libv | dserban: info radeon |
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| 05:34.06 | tcsetattr | mkcramfs is called from mkinitrd |
| 05:34.28 | dserban | libv, danke, multumesc, merci, grazi, thank you! |
| 05:34.35 | kaplanfx | is there any reason I would want to use SSL for mysql connections if the client that is accessing the mysql server is going to be local (for instance a php script on the same machine as the server)? |
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| 05:34.58 | libv | dserban: those manpages are all over google too |
| 05:35.02 | Guerin | kaplanfx: you shouldn't even be using tcp in that case, unless you have to |
| 05:35.11 | dserban | libv, yeah, but no options are given :/ |
| 05:35.30 | kaplanfx | Guerin: yeah I'm not going to. |
| 05:35.51 | michal_ | tcsetattr: well i cna't find the invokation make-kpkg calls that with either |
| 05:35.54 | libv | dserban: i must not be using xfree86-4.3.0-1 then, as i am seeing options here |
| 05:35.55 | Guerin | kaplanfx: so just use mysql through a socket, no ssl or anything else |
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| 05:36.14 | kaplanfx | Guerin: ok thanks. |
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| 05:36.48 | libv | i wonder what those things are in between the " after those Option words |
| 05:37.00 | sktzomike | wat should i put in my xconfig file i have a usb mouse ? |
| 05:37.16 | streuner | sktzomike /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 05:37.16 | dserban | libv, through man? |
| 05:37.41 | sktzomike | thx |
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| 05:37.49 | Guerin | !thx |
| 05:37.49 | dpkg | np lol |
| 05:38.12 | libv | dserban: man or info makes no difference in this case |
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| 05:38.20 | michal_ | tcsetattr: you see? at every step there are complications.. even grepping for initrd and cram doesn't help. |
| 05:38.37 | dserban | libv, XFree86 Version Version 4.3.0.1 RADEON(4x) |
| 05:38.43 | jbraddoc | I am wondering, does anyone use a Onstream ECHO DI-30 tape drive, or does anyone know how to set it up? |
| 05:38.48 | e37 | streuner: thanks... |
| 05:38.59 | dserban | libv, yeah I know, I tried man, and got a blank - no info man page :/ |
| 05:39.08 | dserban | libv, seems the info's got it all |
| 05:39.10 | kaplanfx | Guerin: do you happen to know if the /etc/init.d/mysql is equivilent to the mysql.server script refrenced in the mysql docs? |
| 05:39.14 | libv | dserban: fix your X installation then |
| 05:39.21 | dserban | libv, yeah... weird |
| 05:39.29 | e37 | kaplanfx : pretty much yeah |
| 05:39.44 | kaplanfx | e37: ok, good I think I'm set then :) |
| 05:39.47 | michal_ | does anyone here know how to slightly modify the contents of a initrd image? not just the tools required but HOW to do it.. |
| 05:40.09 | dserban | libv, anyway <3 you just saved me bunches of moments of frustration probably culminiating into bitch-slapping my monitor. |
| 05:40.26 | michal_ | is it for example possible to uncompress it and hexedit it? |
| 05:40.28 | libv | dserban: try to get your hormones balanced |
| 05:40.32 | michal_ | then recompress it |
| 05:40.44 | dserban | libv, I don't get it, I'm on the pill. :) |
| 05:40.47 | kaplanfx | michal_: why are you so intent on using an initrd image? (I've had nothing but trouble with them) |
| 05:41.00 | libv | ah, of course, .us |
| 05:41.20 | kaplanfx | you have some exoctic hardware or something? |
| 05:41.22 | dserban | libv, :/ what does that mean? |
| 05:41.25 | michal_ | kaplanfx: because i want to build a working kernel and not have to worry about rebuilding it in a week or a few days when the configuration of my hardware is changed |
| 05:41.29 | kaplanfx | exotic even |
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| 05:41.57 | michal_ | kaplanfx: not especially but i do a lot of swapping hdd's around |
| 05:42.01 | libv | dserban: you started out with "I FUCKING HATE X" and then you felt compelled to use the word "bitch-slapping" |
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| 05:42.15 | libv | dserban: that leaves no doubt about nationality |
| 05:42.18 | holycow | amazing piece of software |
| 05:42.22 | mwilson | hmmm... if bash got updated, where's the new libreadline? |
| 05:42.27 | dserban | libv, :P the nature of h8 for unclear instructions |
| 05:42.31 | mwilson | Since the one implies the other... |
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| 05:42.41 | dserban | libv, haha. You're wrong my friend. Not .us :) |
| 05:42.41 | streuner | holycow: is shawcable an canadian ISP? |
| 05:42.45 | libv | dserban: xserver-xfree86: /usr/X11R6/man/man4/radeon.4x.gz |
| 05:42.57 | holycow | yep streuner |
| 05:43.00 | jbraddoc | hrmm im gonna guess thats a no to my question.. |
| 05:43.02 | jbraddoc | hrmm LOL |
| 05:43.04 | michal_ | and so far i've been trying to solve this problem for 3 days.. this seems like the last stage though.. unless of course it turns out impossible to modify an initrd image |
| 05:43.07 | deadcat | whats the best way to make aterm borderless and undecorated? |
| 05:43.09 | streuner | holycow: btw, mooo! |
| 05:43.13 | libv | oh, shawcable, that's canada, you really should feel proud of yourself now |
| 05:43.15 | holycow | fairly excellent download rates too, i regularly hit 350k/sec :) |
| 05:43.24 | holycow | hola streuner :D |
| 05:43.27 | dserban | libv, Yeh. Mine's messed up though. Which I find odd of course, just another bump in my "master plan" |
| 05:43.30 | mwilson | deadcat: How many times are you going to ask the same question and get the same answer? |
| 05:43.35 | kaplanfx | michal_: so you want to be able to mount harddrives with different filesystems? Why not just compile a kernel with all the filesystems you might use? everything else can still be modules and you can build new ones without having to rebuild the whole kernel with make modules && make modules_install |
| 05:43.42 | dserban | libv, I do my man... I do. Super proud. |
| 05:43.57 | streuner | holycow: what upstream, and how much is it? |
| 05:44.10 | michal_ | kaplanfx: no i want to be able to boot off any sort of hard disk using the same kernel.. i don't care about filesystems |
| 05:44.37 | holycow | upstream is only 60, consumer grade service, ... $35/mon canadian or so |
| 05:44.42 | libv | dserban: how do you mess up a debian package? |
| 05:44.48 | michal_ | kaplanfx: i also want to be able to move it across partitions without it deciding that it will now be unbootable |
| 05:44.49 | dserban | libv, anyhoo, thanks again, wouldn't have ever thought of info'ing since I _never_ use info :/ Learned a lesson this time :) |
| 05:44.57 | deadcat | mwilson: hopefully untill i get the right answer. |
| 05:45.15 | mwilson | deadcat: Define "right answer"? |
| 05:45.22 | streuner | holycow: yep, you mean 'real' 60k? |
| 05:45.29 | michal_ | only initrd kernels seem capable of doing that |
| 05:45.29 | kaplanfx | michal_: well good luck, almost every initrd image I build rendered the system unbootable |
| 05:45.31 | dserban | libv, I honestly don't know. Very basic install so far. Fighting with dual-head setup currently and intermittent freezes given to me via the sexy 3dfx card in that blasted pci slot. |
| 05:45.42 | michal_ | kaplanfx: the debian ones are bootable |
| 05:45.49 | holycow | *ummm* i've hit 60 yes, i've never seen it sustained, not tested it enough |
| 05:45.55 | deadcat | mwilson: right answer == undecorates and borderless on aterm |
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| 05:46.05 | kaplanfx | michal_: yep, I've used them too |
| 05:46.20 | libv | dserban: try reading the dpkg manpage and list the contents of the packagename i just pasted to you |
| 05:46.49 | dserban | libv, which package name did you just paste me? |
| 05:46.52 | libv | dserban: it should list that manpage, after which you can verify the existence of that file in your fs |
| 05:47.00 | libv | dserban: use /lastlog creatively |
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| 05:47.09 | dserban | libv, ok will do. |
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| 05:48.05 | jbraddoc | oh i should mention its a ide tape drive |
| 05:48.09 | dserban | libv, thanks, you're a fountain of info! |
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| 05:48.22 | holycow | man, is it me or do noly fucking retards write article on osnews.com? |
| 05:48.30 | holycow | i can't believe some of the stupidity on there |
| 05:49.14 | libv | holycow: paste me an amusing example please, i like a good laugh :) |
| 05:49.38 | holycow | http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7833 <-- heres one, everything he complains about already has a solution |
| 05:49.40 | libv | add (the url of) there, i don't want you to take that literally :p |
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| 05:49.44 | holycow | its like he's never heard of debian |
| 05:49.54 | holycow | fuking moron must be using linuxfromscratch or some shit |
| 05:50.02 | bhearsmu | hum. i just installed debian and i don't have make |
| 05:50.08 | bhearsmu | isn't that part of the base system? |
| 05:50.19 | libv | bhearsmu: of course not |
| 05:50.23 | michal_ | iso short of editing the /etc/mkinitrd/modules file and rebuilding the kernel there's not much i can do? |
| 05:50.24 | bhearsmu | really? |
| 05:50.28 | libv | bhearsmu: yup |
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| 05:50.32 | bhearsmu | weird. |
| 05:50.39 | libv | bhearsmu: it only takes a few s to install it though |
| 05:50.39 | bhearsmu | is it installed by default with unstable? |
| 05:50.46 | libv | bhearsmu: nope |
| 05:50.49 | bhearsmu | hum |
| 05:50.52 | bhearsmu | i'm out of it then, heh |
| 05:50.53 | michal_ | it shouldn't be so hard to edit the file INSIDE the cramfs image :/ |
| 05:50.55 | libv | bhearsmu: do read up on apt |
| 05:51.07 | bhearsmu | i could've sworn it was |
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| 05:51.12 | libv | bhearsmu: installing and removing packages is almost trivial |
| 05:51.19 | bhearsmu | i know how to install things. |
| 05:51.26 | bhearsmu | i've been using debian for years, heh |
| 05:51.26 | libv | bhearsmu: so why would anything beyond the absolutely necessary be installed then? |
| 05:51.31 | bhearsmu | i thought it was installed by default |
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| 05:51.43 | bhearsmu | uhm, i just thought it was because i've always had it after base-config was done |
| 05:52.10 | libv | bhearsmu: you should be able to apt-get it after base, which is all that matters |
| 05:52.17 | bhearsmu | i can. |
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| 05:52.24 | bhearsmu | i've already installed many things |
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| 05:52.35 | bhearsmu | i was just wondering, because i've never had to manually get it |
| 05:52.58 | deadcat | mwilson: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp the with.border jpg file. |
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| 05:53.07 | libv | i've never known it otherwise actually, although it might come as a dependency of something else |
| 05:53.09 | ReVisions | hey, im on my debian now and i wanna install gentoo from it. im trying to make the file system reiserfs but im getting this error: 'bash: mkreiserfs: command not found'. what shuld i do? |
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| 05:53.48 | holycow | http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/xwd_20040715_11107.jpg <-- yow |
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| 05:54.00 | bhearsmu | thats possible |
| 05:54.05 | bhearsmu | dselect usually seems to want to install it |
| 05:54.08 | bhearsmu | weird though |
| 05:54.12 | bhearsmu | i have autoconf and automake |
| 05:54.24 | jm_ | ReVisions: /msg dpkg search |
| 05:54.40 | libv | i just skip those two utilities every time, never gotten round to being able to use them properly anyway |
| 05:54.52 | ReVisions | debian:/home/yaron# apt-cache search mkreiserfs |
| 05:54.52 | ReVisions | debian:/home/yaron# |
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| 05:55.09 | bhearsmu | they're pretty much required for compliing anything modern |
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| 05:55.39 | libv | bhearsmu: but you don't get gcc either |
| 05:55.48 | bhearsmu | sure i did |
| 05:55.49 | libv | bhearsmu: or libc-dev |
| 05:55.51 | bhearsmu | its right here |
| 05:55.52 | libv | no you didn't |
| 05:56.00 | libv | not in the base debian install |
| 05:56.00 | bhearsmu | gcc is installed. |
| 05:56.04 | bhearsmu | libc-dev is not |
| 05:56.08 | The_Ball | does anybody know how to log logged packages in iptables "-j LOG --log-prefix iptables" in a seperate file? (how to catch them in syslog.conf) |
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| 05:57.00 | libv | i must have been hallucinating then, all those times when i skipped dselect and that other thing and went off to compile a kernel, i mustve imagined seeing apt download gcc and such |
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| 05:57.14 | bhearsmu | lol |
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| 05:57.49 | libv | ReVisions: if you had tried apt-cache search reiserfs you might've come across reiserfsprogs |
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| 05:59.01 | CASP6 | LA |
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| 05:59.07 | libv | holycow: the way that article starts makes me want to snigger and ^W it |
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| 05:59.45 | holycow | libv, i know, how can anyone publish such ignorant shit? |
| 06:00.02 | libv | holycow: "Posted by special contributor Sean Oliviero" |
| 06:00.04 | holycow | at the very least if your going to write about it, use it, don't make shit up |
| 06:00.15 | libv | holycow: he's "special" |
| 06:00.19 | holycow | yeah, school bus specia |
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| 06:01.18 | libv | it's just yet another windows user who needed to vent his frustration |
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| 06:02.00 | Ardavon | I thinking of buying a adaptec ANA-62011/TX 64bit NIC are there linux drivers for it.. does anyone know and where could I look to find out? |
| 06:02.04 | libv | i'm expecting there to be a comment attached to this article from a slackware user |
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| 06:02.08 | dabreegster | Hi. |
| 06:02.12 | deadcat | pme: whats new in 3.0? |
| 06:02.14 | holycow | lol |
| 06:02.19 | holycow | :) |
| 06:02.51 | libv | holycow: that seems to suggest that you have seen that sort of thing countless times before :) |
| 06:03.04 | libv | (too) |
| 06:03.17 | holycow | yah, i've spent way too much time on slashdot |
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| 06:03.34 | pme | deadcat: a metric assload of bugfixes (we've been pestering poor Chet about them on the bash-testers lists, and elsewhere, for ages). I can't find a handy list of just the new stuff, but the FAQ is pretty good. |
| 06:03.38 | skel | does anyone know how to tell if snort is sending snortsam alerts? |
| 06:03.50 | Guerin | osnews is fucking useless |
| 06:03.54 | deadcat | pme: thanks. |
| 06:03.58 | libv | i barely ever go near slashdot, i sometimes read up on linuxtoday though, and even they tend to plug such a story from time to time |
| 06:04.11 | Guerin | they should call it "amateur UI-reviews by fuckwits who don't know what they're talking about" |
| 06:04.20 | dabreegster | osnews.com is another good place |
| 06:04.36 | Guerin | dabreegster: see my comments about osnews above |
| 06:04.36 | libv | it's always the same thing, only the portion with which the author has the most grief differs |
| 06:04.39 | mick_laptop | anyone know if that xine bug is fixed (the one that crashes X) |
| 06:04.51 | pme | deadcat: ftp://ftp.cwru.edu/pub/bash/FAQ has a list now. |
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| 06:04.59 | libv | like X this time round |
| 06:04.59 | dabreegster | Guerin: oh :-P |
| 06:05.09 | dabreegster | Guerin: I've always found it to be decently amusing |
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| 06:05.30 | streuner | mick_laptop: uhm, do you talk about unstable? |
| 06:05.30 | dabreegster | Guerin: thats where I found out MS copied the idea of piping data round for their new CLI for Longhorn |
| 06:05.47 | Guerin | dabreegster: Whenever I find it amusing, I think about the fact that these people ACTUALLY BELIEVE this shit, and ARE SERIOUS, and then it's not so funny any more |
| 06:05.55 | mick_laptop | streuner: nope in sarge |
| 06:06.08 | streuner | mick__: BTS |
| 06:06.11 | mick_laptop | the funny thing is that the faq says "xine can't crash X" |
| 06:06.16 | libv | _and_ that people read this sort of thing and wiill believe it too |
| 06:06.19 | streuner | mick_laptop: ^^ |
| 06:06.20 | mick_laptop | streuner: i've been looking |
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| 06:06.25 | dabreegster | Guerin: I better stop believing half the stuff I read there. the opinions are.....interesting? |
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| 06:06.30 | libv | dabreegster: "piping data around"? |
| 06:06.37 | Guerin | dabreegster: ZZzzz |
| 06:06.41 | The_Ball | sounds a bit like a X bug, if a program can crash X |
| 06:06.53 | holycow | <libv> it's always the same thing, only the portion with which the author has the most grief differs <-- rolf |
| 06:06.54 | libv | dabreegster: but not everyone has developed the same attitude towards the net |
| 06:06.55 | holycow | heh |
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| 06:06.58 | dondelelcaro | dabreegster: pipes and redirection have been around for a long time. Even MS-DOS has them, although they suck. |
| 06:07.12 | holycow | and everyone keeps on telling them over and over again to just research a bit more |
| 06:07.17 | holycow | but nah, just fukin wankers |
| 06:07.20 | dabreegster | libv: yes, an article on osnews.com said that in Longhorn MS is putting in a "real CLI". apparently you can "pipe rich .NET data objects" around. |
| 06:07.29 | Guerin | wooo |
| 06:07.30 | dabreegster | dondelelcaro: I know, I was quoting osnews.com |
| 06:07.34 | holycow | i say ms can keep their monopoly and those users, i don't want them usin linux frankly |
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| 06:07.41 | Guerin | we love our rich .NET objects, yes we do |
| 06:07.45 | libv | dabreegster: what, like pickling in python? |
| 06:07.51 | dabreegster | Guerin: I see why osnews.com isn't good. i quote it and get told off |
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| 06:07.55 | dondelelcaro | holycow: so long as they stay the hell away from me, I could care less... |
| 06:07.58 | dabreegster | libv: I dont know |
| 06:08.03 | herag | i want to install postfix, so I tried "apt-get install postfix", but this wants to install with it postfix-ldap...I don't really need ldap support, can I tell apt-get not to install the postfix-ldap package? |
| 06:08.04 | Guerin | dabreegster: that's because you quote it and it was wrong ITFP |
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| 06:08.32 | only2 | can anyone give me pointers to proxy-related information? I'm trying to integrate a secure payment processing system. |
| 06:08.40 | dabreegster | Guerin: exactly why I'm going to stop quoting it and why I just told elinks to go to slashdot instead. |
| 06:08.47 | Guerin | one of my friends thought I was dissin' her when I was turning down her webcam invites the other day... because she was sending them from msn |
| 06:08.50 | mick_laptop | *sigh* http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=260981 |
| 06:08.53 | libv | ooh, comments... since X was bashed most, the keith packard vs david dawes crusade had to be dragged up |
| 06:09.00 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 260981 |
| 06:09.03 | dpkg | DONE:#260981:N[xine-ui] /usr/bin/xine: crashed x windows |
| 06:09.32 | Guerin | dabreegster: because slashdot is SOOO much better than osnews... |
| 06:09.37 | dondelelcaro | mick_laptop: you could make it easy and go bugs.debian.org/260981... |
| 06:09.50 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: that's like saying the Starr is better than National Enquirer. |
| 06:09.53 | dabreegster | Guerin: humorix.com is good too;) its the National Enquirer of Linux. |
| 06:10.10 | holycow | Guerin, when you guys first told me about how shit slash is, i didn't believe you |
| 06:10.16 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: heh. Or that bud lite is better than miller's lite... |
| 06:10.28 | holycow | but you guys were right, it's full of opinionated ignoramuses too lazy to even google their viewpoint |
| 06:10.36 | Guerin | holycow: it's got to be experienced for itself, really |
| 06:10.43 | dondelelcaro | holycow: dunno, sometimes browsing at +2 can be usefull... |
| 06:11.00 | Guerin | when I told her I didn't use windows, and no, I didn't have a mac, she was like... huh? So what do you use then ... |
| 06:11.06 | libv | dabreegster: humorix.com? |
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| 06:11.12 | holycow | i think back on all the time i've spent there, i can say i've not learned a single thing or found a usefull bit of information |
| 06:11.13 | libv | dabreegster: are you sure that that is correct? |
| 06:11.14 | dabreegster | libv: yes. fake news articles. |
| 06:11.17 | holycow | except that humans suck |
| 06:11.17 | holycow | heh |
| 06:11.18 | holycow | :) |
| 06:11.18 | dabreegster | let me check |
| 06:11.21 | dondelelcaro | holycow: but you have to turn off karma bonuses and even then there's still a load of crap to wade through. |
| 06:11.23 | Guerin | <cue discussion about why I haven't had any viruxen lately> |
| 06:11.24 | holycow | but thats me wtf do i know |
| 06:11.26 | dabreegster | oh, sorry, its .org |
| 06:11.35 | libv | dabreegster: what, like "Poopin' is Cool and Funny" |
| 06:11.38 | dabreegster | I always forget &+& |
| 06:11.45 | libv | oh .org |
| 06:11.49 | dabreegster | libv: www.humorix.org |
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| 06:12.05 | holycow | dondelelcaro, re: browsing at +2, just to note, i speak only for my self |
| 06:12.21 | holycow | other people may be more clever about what they get out of it |
| 06:12.22 | WorkerII | ack .. cron is really broken? |
| 06:12.30 | WorkerII | I just said yes to upgrade :( |
| 06:12.42 | pme | WorkerII: it's fixed in rev -86. |
| 06:12.48 | pirre | WorkerII: /topic |
| 06:12.54 | WorkerII | pme: I'm on testing though. |
| 06:13.37 | holycow | http://humorix.org/articles/2004/07/maintenance/ <-- rofl |
| 06:13.39 | WorkerII | pirre : I did read /topic, hence my question. ;-) |
| 06:13.40 | holycow | actually this is true |
| 06:13.43 | pme | WorkerII: yer boned. :-) You can downgrade, or grab -86 from incoming. And might I suggest apt-listbugs / apt-listchanges in the future? |
| 06:13.47 | pirre | WorkerII: ah. |
| 06:13.55 | holycow | i made $250 off some winner the other week reinstaling their system |
| 06:13.56 | Nitrocld | hi |
| 06:14.08 | holycow | funny thing is, he didn't balk at ponying up the money |
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| 06:14.23 | WorkerII | pme : I have both .. but the bug said that /usr/bin/crontab is missing; I don't use that binary .. I use cron -e # :-) |
| 06:14.26 | Guerin | holycow: pure madness |
| 06:14.36 | libv | holycow: people are actually selling applications that do that |
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| 06:14.37 | holycow | lol, or pure fuking gold |
| 06:14.43 | holycow | now i know how billy got so goddamn rich |
| 06:14.45 | sarg | hallo, guys |
| 06:14.50 | pirre | WorkerII: all binaries are missing, says the bug report. |
| 06:15.00 | holycow | libv, really? |
| 06:15.01 | holycow | heh |
| 06:15.01 | pme | damn, for $250, I want my system reinstalled, and my car washed, and a blowjob. |
| 06:15.05 | sarg | who know, why my mouse don't work in Quake III |
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| 06:15.11 | holycow | pme, swear to god |
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| 06:15.32 | Guerin | 14:05:42 < mwilson> http://incoming.debian.org/cron_3.0pl1-86_i386.deb |
| 06:15.42 | Caelum | found something very cool today, how to use vim to view man pages: alias man='/usr/bin/man -P "col -bp | iconv -c | /usr/share/vim/vim63/macros/less.sh -c '\''set ft=man'\'' -"' |
| 06:15.52 | WorkerII | pirre : Wait .. come to think of it, I'm on SID here .. at home I'm on testing .. that means I'm lucky, right? |
| 06:16.08 | Nitrocld | Interesting fact: One US pound of ricin is enough poison to exterminate the human population, on the entire earth. 70 micrograms can be fatal. Castor beans can hit you in the head when walking though a castor plant patch during summer. |
| 06:16.23 | jm_ | Caelum: what's the point ? |
| 06:16.26 | pme | Caelum: or you can just put the cursor on the word you want inside vim and hit K. |
| 06:16.43 | WorkerII | Nitrocld : How many kilogram is that, and where do you buy it? |
| 06:16.45 | Caelum | jm_: looks pretty, and same keys as in less |
| 06:16.53 | Caelum | jm_: try on 3 printf for example :) |
| 06:17.04 | libv | anyway, humorix.org seems to concentrate on SCO/windows bashing |
| 06:17.24 | libv | has become a bit too cliché for my liking |
| 06:17.29 | WorkerII | libv: Sounds kinda boring. I don't like those to get publicity. |
| 06:17.37 | Guerin | WorkerII: you might be able to buy some from your local honda drag-racers... it's the shit they put in their cars to make them pretend to go fast |
| 06:17.39 | Nitrocld | WorkerII: it's a natural poison from castor bean seeds, 6000x more powerful than cyanide, and you can get it for free from the wilderness. |
| 06:17.47 | Caelum | pme: also set my PAGER to the less.sh script, to view crap with syntax highlighting...which is lovely :) |
| 06:17.50 | dabreegster | libv: exactly why it gets boring after 3 years worth of articles |
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| 06:18.00 | fooz | Guerin, that was just bad |
| 06:18.15 | libv | dabreegster: i only skimmed the top parts of two :p |
| 06:18.23 | helix | yeah, fooz drives a honda. with a big spoiler. vroom! |
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| 06:18.26 | libv | ... individual articles |
| 06:18.32 | jm_ | Caelum: not much difference from using less ;) |
| 06:18.33 | dabreegster | libv: they have really funny ones if you go through em slowly |
| 06:18.42 | WorkerII | doh! |
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| 06:18.49 | WorkerII | Cron fails to install! |
| 06:18.56 | WorkerII | (No /usr/bin/crontab) |
| 06:19.14 | pme | WorkerII: would you please read /all/ the bug report? |
| 06:19.17 | jm_ | WorkerII: BTS time |
| 06:19.19 | Guerin | fooz: 14:05:42 < mwilson> http://incoming.debian.org/cron_3.0pl1-86_i386.deb |
| 06:19.22 | Guerin | nope |
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| 06:19.25 | fooz | what? |
| 06:19.28 | Guerin | fooz: http://www.funny-pics.net/images/1075223838.jpg |
| 06:19.37 | Guerin | fooz: wrong paste functionality |
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| 06:19.40 | WorkerII | pme : I wouldn't be doing anything else than reading bugreports, would I? |
| 06:19.41 | dabreegster | I know I should probably just rtfm, but does vi/vim have any other features useful to programmers besides syntax highlighting and autoindention that I should know about? |
| 06:19.54 | fooz | Guerin, nice car you got there. |
| 06:20.04 | dabreegster | Or are there modules/vi-like editors with good programming utilities? |
| 06:20.08 | Guerin | fooz: man, I wish my car was that cool |
| 06:20.15 | fooz | my car's pretty cool |
| 06:20.22 | holycow | hehehehe |
| 06:20.23 | pme | WorkerII: you keep re-discovering what's already been discussed, is all. |
| 06:20.23 | holycow | rofl |
| 06:20.27 | Caelum | jm_: true :) |
| 06:20.28 | jm_ | dabreg;completion, show man pages, foldings, cscope support, ... |
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| 06:20.38 | dabreegster | jm_: ok, thanks |
| 06:20.39 | fooz | it's an old beat up Miata that burns oil |
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| 06:20.48 | Guerin | fooz: haha |
| 06:20.57 | Guerin | an old miata? |
| 06:20.59 | WES187 | hey guys.. how do I get rid of that warning thingo when I login with debian |
| 06:21.01 | fooz | yep. 1990 |
| 06:21.14 | WorkerII | pme : Right. |
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| 06:21.38 | Nitrocld | Did anyone here about the ricin poisoned baby food in CA? |
| 06:21.40 | pme | dabreegster: a lot of people do all their development from inside vi/vim. Calling make, jumping to errors, tags, plus the stuff that jm_ said, etc. There are good lists of programmers' tips out there for vim. |
| 06:21.47 | Guerin | WES187: you just turn warning_thingy = off in the config file |
| 06:21.54 | dabreegster | pme: k |
| 06:22.06 | WES187 | Guerin: where is the config file for it? |
| 06:22.06 | Guerin | WES187: sorry, warning_thingo = off |
| 06:22.14 | WES187 | haha |
| 06:22.25 | fooz | Guerin, i'm gonna build a sleeper out of it |
| 06:22.25 | Guerin | WES187: /etc/warnings , of course |
| 06:22.31 | WES187 | haha |
| 06:22.31 | WES187 | sure |
| 06:22.52 | WES187 | Debian GNU/Linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY, to the extent |
| 06:22.53 | WES187 | permitted by applicable law. |
| 06:22.55 | WES187 | that thing |
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| 06:23.19 | Guerin | WES187: /etc/motd |
| 06:23.21 | dabreegster | are there any good console MOTD scripts out there? I cant find any in dselect. |
| 06:23.30 | WES187 | thanx |
| 06:23.34 | WorkerII | pme : Well .. I know it was my mistake .. You know, I saw on the mailinglist of JDE that emacs21 might be fixed .. so I thought, "WoW! Let's upgrade!" - then I saw the bug reports on bash, cron, and one more package .. and I thought "Hmm .. bash and cron, pretty bad .. " Then I checked bash "Ahh .. only if 'trap 0' ... I don't know what that is, so I prolly don't need it!" then cron " '/usr/bin/crontab' is missing .. 'Ah well, |
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| 06:24.17 | Guerin | WorkerII: that's the most garbled, incomprehensible thing I've seen since I last read abook about perl |
| 06:24.28 | tkooda | what command line tool can display how much memory each pid is using? (or is it available in proc?) |
| 06:24.33 | WorkerII | Guerin : You're prolly native english. |
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| 06:24.43 | pme | tkooda: ps |
| 06:24.44 | fatal_ | tkooda: top |
| 06:24.44 | Guerin | WorkerII: as it happens, I am. |
| 06:24.52 | dabreegster | poll: what makes a good motd for the console besides a banner, welcome message, random funny quote, current date and time, events coming up, goals to accomplish today, and updates from news sites? I'm making my own motd script and I was just curious if I should add something else. |
| 06:25.11 | WorkerII | Guerin : If you were not, you'd prolly be better at guessing .. at least that is my expirience. |
| 06:25.16 | Guerin | dabreegster: the default one is perfect, if a bit long. |
| 06:25.24 | pme | dabreegster: an option to not print a damn thing, like .hushlogin. |
| 06:25.25 | mwilson | dabreegster: It shouldn't print anything at all, of course. |
| 06:25.52 | WorkerII | Guerin : When native english guy sees garbage english .. he thinks .. "hmm .. thats garbage!" .. when non-native sees it, he thinks "Hmm .. whats this guy trying to say?". |
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| 06:25.55 | Guerin | WorkerII: not mine. I'm an ESL teacher, I'm damn good at guessing. Just because I said it was garbled and incomprehensible didn't mean I didn't understand it :) |
| 06:25.58 | tkooda | fatal, that won't show just* the mem, and it's not 100% accurate I think (it either dosn't count shared mem or it counts it more than once in some cases?) |
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| 06:26.01 | dabreegster | well, I like customizing stuff so I was wondering about stuff to add, not take away :-P |
| 06:26.11 | herag | i want to install postfix, so I tried "apt-get install postfix", but this wants to install with it postfix-ldap and postfix-pcre...I don't really need ldap or that perl extension support, can I tell apt-get not to install the postfix-ldap and postfix-pcre packages? |
| 06:26.25 | WorkerII | Guerin : Wrong .. if it was "incomprehensible" you wouldn't understand it. |
| 06:26.26 | tkooda | fatal, there's a tool, like meminfo, or memstat, or something, but I can't remember |
| 06:26.34 | Guerin | herag: if they're debs, then no. Why bother leaving them out? |
| 06:26.35 | dabreegster | I'll distribute my motd script when its finished. *hears groans and "no!"s in the background* |
| 06:26.43 | WorkerII | Guerin : Or do I get that word wrong also? |
| 06:26.43 | WorkerII | :) |
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| 06:27.25 | Guerin | WorkerII: no, I said it was "the most incomrehansible thing since..." - implying that it was not impossible to comprehend |
| 06:27.36 | WorkerII | Guerin : Ahh ok. :-) |
| 06:27.37 | Guerin | WorkerII: and you got the word right. |
| 06:27.41 | zan21892 | hi |
| 06:27.50 | WorkerII | Cool |
| 06:28.01 | zan21892 | I need to know how i can get a microsoft wheel mouse working on debian..? |
| 06:28.01 | herag | Guerin: I dunno, usually I don't install stuff that I don't need...if they're debs, does that mean that one big .deb file contains all three packages, so there's no way to separate them? |
| 06:28.05 | Guerin | herag: s/deb/deps/ |
| 06:28.09 | jbraddoc | eek i went away |
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| 06:28.10 | jbraddoc | anyways |
| 06:28.11 | herag | oh...deps |
| 06:28.17 | dabreegster | what else does a bloated motd script need? *thinks* |
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| 06:28.30 | jbraddoc | Does anyone know how to configure a onstream DI-30 ide 30 gb tape drive |
| 06:28.32 | herag | hah...that makes more sense...no postfix-ldap and postfix-pcre are not deps for postfix |
| 06:28.37 | Guerin | herag: I mean, if postfix depends on -ldap and -pcre, you're stuck with them. |
| 06:28.44 | jbraddoc | i am using.. woody.. ... and need lots of help lol |
| 06:29.10 | Guerin | herag: ok, if they're not, then you should be able to uninstall them. Just don't try to do anything which requires them, and you should be peachy |
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| 06:29.46 | herag | Guerin: so I have to install all three, and then uninstall the two I don't want? |
| 06:30.03 | Guerin | !depends postfix |
| 06:30.07 | eggdrop | !set up x |
| 06:30.07 | dpkg | somebody said set up x was To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 06:30.13 | dpkg | postfix: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libdb4.2, libgdbm3, debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, netbase, adduser (>= 3.48), dpkg (>= 1.8.3), debconf |
| 06:30.20 | snappy2 | do the kernels in testing/unstable use devfs -- and if so do i need to change the root stanza in lilo.conf to comply with the devfs scheme? |
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| 06:30.35 | Guerin | herag: looks like you're using aptitude or something with recommends turned on |
| 06:30.38 | eggdrop | !Op |
| 06:30.46 | eggdrop | !kb |
| 06:30.46 | dpkg | [kb] If you mean 'kB': see 'kilobyte', but see also 'binary units' for why it can mean 1,000. If you mean 'kbit': see 'kilobit', and also 'binary units'.. Killer Bunny, , or the microsoft's Knowledge Base |
| 06:30.56 | Guerin | eggdrop: stop |
| 06:31.02 | eggdrop | sht up |
| 06:31.02 | dondelelcaro | eggdrop: you can /msg the bots intead. |
| 06:31.06 | eggdrop | oh ok =) |
| 06:31.07 | eggdrop | good |
| 06:31.08 | herag | Guerin: sounds very possible...how do I manage this? (debian as is obvious, is new to me) |
| 06:31.36 | Guerin | herag: I dunno, it'll be in aptitude's options I guess. Otherwise just use apt-get |
| 06:32.21 | herag | wait...is aptitude an alternative to apt-get? |
| 06:32.34 | dabreegster | Funny... All these articles everywhere keep saying "Linux needs a good packaging system." and they're staring it in the face. apt is unbeliavably AWESOME.. |
| 06:32.46 | dondelelcaro | herag: it just suggests those two packages. |
| 06:32.54 | loof | Anyone know if specifying root=/dev/ram0 causes /linuxrc to run? Or do you just get a shell prompt? |
| 06:32.55 | Guerin | herag: aptitude is another frontend to appt/dpkg, yes |
| 06:32.55 | dondelelcaro | herag: you can use the frontend to aptitude to tell it not to install them |
| 06:33.07 | dondelelcaro | s/frontend/curses interface/ |
| 06:33.12 | exobyte | I have a m$ intelimouse. the cursor locks sometimes. Unplugging and replugging fixes it. restarting hotplug does not |
| 06:33.24 | dondelelcaro | eggdrop: yes, that happens from time to time. Check dmesg. |
| 06:33.28 | dondelelcaro | s/eggdrop/exobyte/ |
| 06:33.37 | herag | how do I turn of recommends in apt-get? |
| 06:33.53 | dondelelcaro | herag: it's Suggests: actually, and they're never on in apt-get. |
| 06:33.59 | herag | :T |
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| 06:34.20 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: I'm not on that system right now. Is there anything I should look for? Is there a fix> |
| 06:34.33 | herag | so then howcome "apt-get install postfix -s" shows up with three packages to install (two of them being the suggests)? |
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| 06:34.37 | dondelelcaro | herag: in aptitude, you can use the -R option to ignore recommends. |
| 06:34.57 | herag | i'm not using aptitude...i didn't even know what it was until a second ago : / |
| 06:35.02 | WES187 | I have this stupid friend whom insist on being able to login via ftp as root.. is that possible? |
| 06:35.26 | dondelelcaro | herag: uh, it's possible that you've got apt-get setup to install suggests... alternatively, the simulate is busted. |
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| 06:35.42 | dondelelcaro | WES187: you sure as hell better not be logging into a box using ftp as root. |
| 06:35.57 | dondelelcaro | WES187: if you tried to, change your root password immediately |
| 06:36.09 | herag | dondelelcaro: ah, this sounds possible, if I run "apt-get setup", do you think I can turn off the install suggests? |
| 06:36.25 | WES187 | hehe I didn't but my stupid friend doesn't like ssh and wants to use root |
| 06:36.30 | eggdrop | herag, yes or taskdel |
| 06:36.36 | eggdrop | if you want to installed the packages |
| 06:36.39 | tcsetattr | normally, root is listed in /etc/ftpusers (which is pretty much the opposite of what you'd guess based on the name) |
| 06:36.43 | eggdrop | *tasksel |
| 06:37.11 | WES187 | would it be horrible to allow it though? |
| 06:37.24 | WES187 | just through a network.. not external |
| 06:37.25 | dondelelcaro | WES187: yes, because you're sending the root password in cleartext. |
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| 06:37.42 | dondelelcaro | herag: hrm... possibly. Although, something seems wierd, because neither of those programs are easy to configure to install suggests by default. Which version of postfix are you trying to install? |
| 06:37.50 | dondelelcaro | !suggests postfix |
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| 06:37.55 | dpkg | postfix: procmail, postfix-mysql, postfix-pgsql, postfix-ldap, postfix-pcre |
| 06:38.27 | tcsetattr | WES187, you could install ftpd-ssl |
| 06:38.37 | WES187 | cool (: |
| 06:38.49 | dondelelcaro | WES187: but even then, you shouldn't be using root to log into a ftp server of all things. |
| 06:39.09 | WES187 | well he wants to manage his files through ftp |
| 06:39.17 | WES187 | he isn't using it as an ftp server |
| 06:39.22 | dondelelcaro | WES187: so manage them as a normal user. |
| 06:39.24 | WES187 | like for other people to go on |
| 06:39.36 | WES187 | yeah.. but he doesn't have access to alot of the files |
| 06:39.40 | dabreegster | Guerin: I now see why osnews.com is stupid. One article says for Linux to gain wide acceptance, the distros have to 'bam |
| 06:39.53 | Guerin | 'bam ? |
| 06:39.55 | dabreegster | Guerin: typo, sorry. as I was saying: ban together |
| 06:40.00 | dondelelcaro | band |
| 06:40.20 | herag | dondelelcaro: uh...i dunno, whatever is there, i think it's 1.1.11 |
| 06:40.27 | Guerin | right |
| 06:40.34 | dabreegster | Guerin: one distro. ^_^ "slow boot time"? Debian boots 2 minutes faster than my windows box, and my windows box has a better processor |
| 06:40.43 | Guerin | yay, from one monoculture to another. .. |
| 06:40.46 | dabreegster | Guerin: you're right, osnews.com is worthless |
| 06:40.46 | herag | dondelelcaro: more specifically 1.1.11-0.woody3 |
| 06:40.48 | dondelelcaro | herag: apt-cache show postfix. The version you've got might Depends: postfix-mysql postfix-pcre |
| 06:40.53 | dondelelcaro | !depends postfix woody |
| 06:41.06 | dpkg | postfix: depends on libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libdb3 (>= 3.2.9-16), libgdbmg1, netbase, adduser, debconf, dpkg (>= 1.8.3), postfix-ldap (= 1.1.11-0.woody3), postfix-pcre (= 1.1.11-0.woody3) |
| 06:41.14 | Guerin | ah, interesting |
| 06:41.18 | herag | whoopsie |
| 06:41.23 | dondelelcaro | herag: there you go. |
| 06:41.25 | herag | i guess that solves my problem |
| 06:41.36 | Guerin | I wonder why it needs them? |
| 06:41.38 | WES187 | thanx for your help guys |
| 06:41.39 | dondelelcaro | herag: that's probably a bug, but whatever... it's what it depends on. |
| 06:42.10 | herag | ehh, it's ok...as long as it doesn't force me to configure postfix through ldap I guess i'll be ok |
| 06:42.23 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: looks like a security update that made a mistake, most likely... although, I'm not sure if woody's dpkg allows for versioned suggests or depends. |
| 06:42.45 | jm_ | it does for depends |
| 06:42.45 | dondelelcaro | herag: yeah, your configuration should be ok... |
| 06:42.56 | dondelelcaro | jm_: rrr.. that should be s/depends/recommends/ |
| 06:42.59 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: hrm, interesting. |
| 06:43.42 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: it does for that too, there are a few packages that make use of it |
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| 06:44.47 | dondelelcaro | jm_: yeah, but I'm not sure if they're followed, since they can't be enforced. |
| 06:44.59 | dondelelcaro | jm_: you'd have to do a conflicts instead, which gets nasty fast. |
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| 06:49.35 | jm_ | dondelelcaro: ahh you mean in apt-get ? yeah probably not |
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| 06:50.33 | exobyte | dondelelcaro: I'm not on that system right now. Is there anything I should look for? Is there a fix? Sorry for the repeat |
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| 06:51.48 | dan2 | ricky_clarkson: ping |
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| 06:52.51 | dabreegster | I gotta go |
| 06:52.53 | dabreegster | bye guys |
| 06:53.01 | Tezkah | great news everyone! |
| 06:53.09 | Tezkah | I'm being reprimanded by my alma mater! |
| 06:53.19 | Tezkah | oh wait.. thats not good news.. thats horrible news |
| 06:53.46 | exobyte | how do opterons and athlon 64s differ? |
| 06:53.52 | exobyte | Tezkah: what for? |
| 06:54.19 | Tezkah | everyones in favour of keeping hitler's brain alive |
| 06:54.23 | deadcat | i just upgraded to bash3 and notice that my commandline jumps to next line even though its not at the end of the lien. any clue? |
| 06:54.25 | pme | exobyte: opterons are the suck. |
| 06:54.27 | Tezkah | but put it in a robot shark, and you've gone to far! |
| 06:54.46 | jp- | deadcat: bad prompt maybe |
| 06:54.54 | jp- | but bash 3 was just released this morning |
| 06:54.57 | exobyte | pme: ok.. I have 2 athlon mps right now |
| 06:54.59 | jm_ | exobyte: opterons are SMP ready |
| 06:54.59 | jp- | or yesterday morning my time |
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| 06:55.01 | deadcat | jp-: maybe. it worked wht 2.5 |
| 06:55.19 | exobyte | jm_: so opteron is to mp as xp is to athlon 64? |
| 06:55.29 | jm_ | exobyte: something like that yes |
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| 06:55.55 | pme | exobyte: My last box was a pair of athlon MPs. I was very very happy with them. Excellent performance, low power/heat. |
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| 06:56.44 | Ash2004 | Does anyone know a EASY to use program that can resize hard drive partitions like /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2 /dev/sda3 ect ect..? |
| 06:56.47 | exobyte | pme: my issue is that I want a tyan board to replace my msi, but if I get integrated lan and video it's a lot more $$ |
| 06:57.06 | exobyte | so I'm at least looking at "new shit" |
| 06:57.19 | jp- | Ash2004: sure, but they cost money. the alternatives aren't that hard to use at all if you read up on them first though :) |
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| 06:57.29 | skel | Ash2004: qtparted |
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| 06:58.32 | dan2 | !this |
| 06:58.33 | dpkg | What? |
| 06:58.40 | dan2 | !no, this is that :0 |
| 06:58.48 | dan2 | dpkg: no, this is that |
| 06:58.48 | dpkg | dan2: what are you talking about? |
| 06:58.49 | Ash2004 | jp & skel: your talking to a guy who just start using linux two weeks ago.. i dont know how do to shit yet... and this is my work server.. i CANT fuck it up... also the linux guy isnt available for another 3 days |
| 06:58.53 | dan2 | dpkg: this is that |
| 06:58.55 | dpkg | dan2: I think you lost me on that one |
| 06:58.56 | Ash2004 | and the email drive is full |
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| 06:59.09 | Ash2004 | I have to increase its size |
| 06:59.17 | Ash2004 | is qtparted easy to use? |
| 06:59.41 | pme | exobyte: yeah, I kept drooling over that high-end server mobo they sell. Dual Athlons, dual onboard SCSI controllers, dual onboard lan, etc, etc, etc. I would have to sell a testicle to afford it, though. I ended up going with (iirc) the tiger 2460. |
| 06:59.47 | jp- | Ash2004: i suggest you make backups first before you use any of them then, the software can fail and leave you stuck with something unusable too, once you backup you can just do it until you get it right :p |
| 07:00.02 | holycow | and not just one backup |
| 07:00.05 | holycow | multiple backups |
| 07:00.11 | holycow | also |
| 07:00.20 | holycow | get a second machine up somewhere and practice with qt parted |
| 07:00.27 | holycow | preferably with the exact same setup |
| 07:00.45 | exobyte | pme: I could handle the $$. I REALLY want the gigE and video though, since it'll be a 2u rackmount |
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| 07:00.47 | holycow | perhaps mirroring the hd drive to a secondary drive with partitions and all and playing with it for a bit |
| 07:00.56 | holycow | qtparted can get you in some serious trouble |
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| 07:01.09 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 07:01.14 | Ash2004 | well... the HD's are all mirrored using raid... so theoretically i cant fuck it up.. but the q is.. if i DO fuck it up will the fuckered up version be mirrored? |
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| 07:01.26 | exobyte | pme: and it looks like the xeon and opteron solutions might have that |
| 07:01.32 | holycow | well technically yes you can |
| 07:01.36 | holycow | raids mirror everything |
| 07:01.39 | holycow | even your mistakes |
| 07:01.48 | Ash2004 | kk |
| 07:01.53 | Ash2004 | ill back up the HD |
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| 07:02.04 | Ash2004 | then stick one in and practice |
| 07:02.04 | Nanobot2k | how do you mount a disk drive ? |
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| 07:03.03 | jras006 | anyone here configured sendmail before? |
| 07:03.11 | holycow | Nanobot2k, you need an entry in /etc/fstab for the disk drive first, then you mount where its pointing to in fstab so something like mount /mnt/cdrom or mount /mnt/winhd or whatever you named it |
| 07:03.26 | pme | jras006: yes. You are bringing back unplesant memories. |
| 07:03.50 | exobyte | pme: look at this: http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=S2720GN&sourceid=qIa2QQihlTZFAmWi19kz |
| 07:03.50 | jras006 | sorry pme |
| 07:04.04 | jras006 | ive got a question about relaying... |
| 07:04.11 | exobyte | pme: too bad it's a pull |
| 07:04.12 | pme | jras006: the best way to configure sendmail on a debian box is to purge it and apt-get {qmail, postfix, exim, anything-but-sendmail-fer-fucks-sake }. Honestly. |
| 07:04.38 | holycow | holy shit |
| 07:04.49 | holycow | thats an amazing price for dualy mobo |
| 07:04.55 | holycow | musta fell offa truck |
| 07:04.57 | exobyte | holycow: no shit |
| 07:05.16 | exobyte | http://www.isellsurplus.com/product.asp?c=19&s=106&ID=6180&P=F |
| 07:05.47 | jras006 | it works ok sending emails to external domains from the server itself, but when I try to send emails via the server from a win client in outlook etc, i get a relaying failed message.. |
| 07:05.48 | exobyte | honestly. I can't justify a $350 dual athlon when this bitch is half the price, same features |
| 07:05.59 | exobyte | wtf?! |
| 07:06.04 | jras006 | obviously this is to be expected as I dont want anyone sending email from my server to anywhere on the internet... |
| 07:06.12 | jm_ | jras006: that's covered by sendmail FAQ |
| 07:06.14 | holycow | yeah thats a great buy |
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| 07:06.52 | exobyte | is the intel e7500 chipset a good one? |
| 07:06.55 | jras006 | but i have to explicitly set the domains of the emails I am sending stuff to in the /etc/access file for RELAY to work... |
| 07:07.03 | jras006 | hmm is it? |
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| 07:07.31 | hendry | Is anyone running mailman here? If so could you please msg me `find /var/lib/mailman/qfiles` output? |
| 07:07.35 | Tezkah | intel chips usually have a cheaper amd equivilant... |
| 07:08.07 | SlayerXP | my dual opteron workstation is lovely. |
| 07:08.19 | exobyte | Tezkah: chip, yes. board, check- I couldn't find it |
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| 07:08.49 | exobyte | Tezkah: would 64 bit be worth my $$? |
| 07:09.04 | _frank | fedora is free and support 64-bit |
| 07:09.05 | Tezkah | exobyte: I'm gonna say no, simply because there really isn't a reason to |
| 07:09.13 | Tezkah | debian is free and support 64 bit! |
| 07:09.17 | michal | does anyone know what the correct place to boot hdparm invocations at boot is? the /etc/init.d/hwtools file no longer seems to support hdparm |
| 07:09.27 | Tezkah | exobyte: unless you plan to use this computer past 2038 :) |
| 07:09.36 | exobyte | Tezkah: yeah- yeah. I'm putting a bsd on this bitch |
| 07:10.19 | exobyte | Tezkah: you mean past 1970 something |
| 07:10.23 | Tezkah | nah |
| 07:10.34 | Tezkah | when its like Jan 13, 2038 |
| 07:10.39 | michal | anyone here use hdparm? |
| 07:10.42 | Tezkah | it'll be 2^38 seconds since 1970 |
| 07:10.44 | Tezkah | or soemthing like that |
| 07:10.50 | Tezkah | past what 32bit chips can count |
| 07:10.58 | exobyte | Tezkah: yeah- than it's after 1970 |
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| 07:11.07 | exobyte | fuck int overflows |
| 07:11.28 | Tezkah | http://www.2038bug.com/ |
| 07:11.36 | Tezkah | yeah, I tried setting my clock to that date |
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| 07:11.41 | Tezkah | GNOME freaked out on me |
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| 07:13.06 | Tezkah | I think I'm gonna get an Averatec laptop, 12" is big enough for my purposes. |
| 07:13.13 | michal | wow.. hdparm got it's own config file! awsome! |
| 07:13.19 | exobyte | Tezkah: wait.. time is a *signed* int?! |
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| 07:14.10 | Tezkah | exobyte: huh? I'm pretty dumb about complicated stuff |
| 07:14.23 | Tezkah | I just know that when I put this (32bit) PC to that date |
| 07:14.27 | exobyte | Tezkah: it said 2^31, not 32 |
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| 07:14.35 | Tezkah | it wrapped around to 1901, and X wouldn't start |
| 07:14.42 | Tezkah | I know I know... I missed one digit... be fair! |
| 07:14.48 | exobyte | x never starts though. |
| 07:14.53 | exobyte | xfree or x.org? |
| 07:14.57 | Tezkah | xfree |
| 07:15.11 | Tezkah | no, x was working |
| 07:15.19 | exobyte | sure |
| 07:15.19 | Tezkah | but then died when the time wrapped around |
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| 07:15.34 | Tezkah | then I needed to change the time in order to make it fixed again |
| 07:15.58 | exobyte | wtf is this?! shareware? |
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| 07:16.12 | Tezkah | shareware? you on windows? :S |
| 07:16.19 | kjoonlee | Does anyone know any good FreeDB clients with Protocol Level 6 support? |
| 07:16.29 | exobyte | Tezkah: now. My xbox runs debian |
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| 07:16.51 | exobyte | Tezkah: I use *nix for servers |
| 07:16.56 | Tezkah | ah |
| 07:17.00 | exobyte | no, not my xbox |
| 07:17.12 | exobyte | that was my pr0n server |
| 07:17.20 | Tezkah | I got no reason to run Windows |
| 07:17.31 | Tezkah | its installed here so my family doesn't freak out |
| 07:17.42 | exobyte | I personally like adobe products |
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| 07:18.19 | Tezkah | I personally cannot afford adobe products :) |
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| 07:18.23 | hax | is SATA really an better than IDE? |
| 07:18.29 | loof | Damnit, mdadm is segfaulting in my initrd... any idea what might cause it |
| 07:18.33 | SlayerXP | hax: in many ways, yes |
| 07:18.45 | hax | SlayerXP: is it that much faster for just a 7200rpm drive? |
| 07:18.50 | exobyte | hax: it isn't parallel, though |
| 07:18.54 | SlayerXP | hax: speed is just one factor. |
| 07:18.55 | hax | exobyte: meaning? |
| 07:18.58 | exobyte | hax: in theory, no |
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| 07:19.26 | hax | SlayerXP: the other factors being...? |
| 07:19.27 | exobyte | hax: parrallel technology is faster, but the way sata is clocked, it's faster |
| 07:19.35 | hax | exobyte: oh |
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| 07:20.07 | exobyte | pata technology applied to sata would make one fast (throughput) drive |
| 07:20.16 | SlayerXP | hax: we're still way below the theorectical max DTR, the physical cabling for SATA is much much nicer than E(IDE)/ATA |
| 07:20.20 | hax | so how is SATA better than IDE right now? |
| 07:20.31 | pme | cooler acronym |
| 07:20.32 | hax | SlayerXP: smaller cables isnt really worth another $50 per drive :) |
| 07:20.43 | michal | nope.. the cable |
| 07:20.48 | exobyte | hax: 10 dialups are still slower tham a t1. In the same way, pata is slower than sata |
| 07:20.54 | loof | hax: Better TCQ support, hotswap /w some chipsets, slightly better speed... more bugs in the drivers |
| 07:20.54 | loof | :) |
| 07:20.57 | SlayerXP | hax: it does when you have a system that's boderline cooled |
| 07:21.05 | SlayerXP | borderline |
| 07:21.08 | michal | the smaller cable and lack of master/slave is worth everything |
| 07:21.15 | michal | i can't wait till cdrom drives also use sata |
| 07:21.16 | hax | SlayerXP: i'm not too concerned about that |
| 07:21.28 | SlayerXP | hax: then buy ATA. |
| 07:21.34 | exobyte | this reminds me- where can I find a 2 inch long sata cable |
| 07:21.38 | hax | so pretty much no reason to buy SATA other than smaller cables right now |
| 07:21.47 | loof | However, if you don't want to spend money on a card & you don't care much |
| 07:21.50 | loof | get ATA |
| 07:21.55 | michal | sata is sometimes cheaper than pata |
| 07:22.04 | loof | I just bought some ATA/133 drives pretty cheap... fairly happy /w 'em |
| 07:22.14 | michal | and when it costs more it's usually just a few dollars |
| 07:22.21 | loof | eventually I'd like to move to SATA, but didn't want to pay the premium for it yet. |
| 07:22.31 | michal | what premium? |
| 07:22.33 | loof | esp. because my server is already full (as far as PCI slots) |
| 07:22.35 | exobyte | tom's hardware said sata is good for os stuff, but pr0n, warez, etc, are fine on pata |
| 07:22.36 | michal | $10 ? |
| 07:22.55 | loof | michal: It's a bit extra, depending on where/how you buy and what brand... but you're looking at $50 for a decent card |
| 07:23.02 | loof | + $20-50 /per drive |
| 07:23.06 | hedonick | michael12345: 10% |
| 07:23.07 | THAKING | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.09 | michal | i wouldn't go sata unless it's part of the motherboard |
| 07:23.11 | loof | when each drive is ~$100 that's a premium. |
| 07:23.17 | stiefem | on my mainboard (s875wp1) i have a serial port but seems like linux does see it, dmesg only show's "Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ SERIAL_PCI ISAPNP enabled" nothing more, how can i see which type of UART i'm using ? |
| 07:23.25 | exobyte | someone boot THAKING |
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| 07:23.34 | loof | Anyways |
| 07:23.38 | pulaski | hello, my 486pc running wood kernel 2.4.18 may have been compromised. I can only login to X as a regular user. If I try to login as reg user or root at a console I do not get a passwd prompt. If I trie to su in an xterm I get the password prompt but authentification fails. Has anyone else had a similar experience? |
| 07:23.42 | libv | bleh, pciids.sf.net is down |
| 07:23.46 | loof | Anyone have any idea what would cause mdadm to just segfault on boot? |
| 07:23.56 | michal | for me it pays for itself instantly.. i still have lots of trouble with the pata gear i have |
| 07:23.56 | exobyte | pulaski: is 486 like an old pii? |
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| 07:24.57 | *** topic/#debian is READ THE FAQ: /msg dpkg faq | READ THE BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian != Knoppix | Spambots? /msg dpkg nospambot | Base+Standard will freeze on the 31st of July | Visit the Debian Booth at LWCE SF! Meet dondelelcaro | SECURITY: PHP4 in woody [DSA 531-1] | BORKED: cron (#261897) | FIXED: libstdc++5-3.3-dev (#260514) |
| 07:25.03 | _frank | lol |
| 07:25.05 | THAKING | hello who wants dialup at broadband speeds for no extra cost private message me |
| 07:25.05 | _frank | [09:24:26] [freenode] DCC SEND from BrJato3884 [0.0.0.0 port 2130706433]: "j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j j |
| 07:25.08 | _frank | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.08 | michal | in fact i have no idea how it came to that :/ |
| 07:25.11 | _frank | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.11 | SlayerXP | same here |
| 07:25.14 | _frank | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:25.18 | _frank | BrJato3884: shut the fuck up |
| 07:25.26 | jm_ | !+ops |
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