| 00:00.24 | mathrick | hi, due to need of reinstall, I tried sarge netboot.iso from beta4 |
| 00:00.24 | GomoX | if someday, a daemon wants to be up before SA, he will take S18 |
| 00:00.46 | mathrick | it appears to me that there's critical flaw in it |
| 00:02.20 | mathrick | namely, it doesn't have ide support up until late in installation, like, after partitioning and actually installing stuff to disk ;) |
| 00:02.20 | mathrick | it's i386, btw |
| 00:02.20 | mathrick | is there something I don't know, or it's really that b0rked? |
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| 00:02.48 | Catalina | how do you change console fonts ? |
| 00:02.49 | Antisoche | anyone know where I can get some bison help? |
| 00:02.59 | GomoX | !test |
| 00:02.59 | GomoX | crappy lag |
| 00:02.59 | dpkg | Yes, gomox, you're still online. |
| 00:03.06 | mathrick | I have ide only, so that's kinda showstopper for me |
| 00:03.36 | michal | GomoX: the reason i'm interested in this is that the purpose of this machine is to run vdr.. now vdr starts pretty much last.. that's not so good for something pretending to be an stb. it's bad enough that it takes about a minute to power on and start showing tv |
| 00:03.50 | michal | is there a command to list all the services installed and the order they will start in? |
| 00:04.07 | GomoX | michal: oh i see |
| 00:04.18 | GomoX | michal: ls /etc/rc3.d will do |
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| 00:04.34 | jule_ | fuck it, i'll go back to DHCP until i can get a switch, then i'll just set up a gateway machine in front of the router, and use it as WAP AP only |
| 00:04.37 | jule_ | thanks |
| 00:04.48 | michal | ls -1 /etc/rc3.d is better :) |
| 00:05.06 | GomoX | michal: you might want to take a look at the "minit" package |
| 00:05.52 | GomoX | michal: you might also consider not turning off the machine but suspending it |
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| 00:06.32 | mathrick | so, what about that netboot thing? |
| 00:06.37 | antfarmz | which package would i update to get the latest version of gtk2? |
| 00:06.40 | mathrick | is it supposed to work? |
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| 00:07.23 | michal | GomoX: suspending may be problematic.. unless i can revive it via activity on usb |
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| 00:08.08 | GomoX | michal: spinning down the disks might do, then :) |
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| 00:08.55 | michal | GomoX: i still have to solve the issue of 24/7 mpeg2 decoding by the dvb card.. that surely eats power and generates heat |
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| 00:09.24 | alias | Does anyone know of an audio player that maintains it's state between launches? |
| 00:09.34 | mathrick | *cough* |
| 00:09.36 | mathrick | anyone? |
| 00:09.42 | GomoX | alias: what do you mean by "state"? |
| 00:09.42 | alias | Googling hasn't yieled much useful information |
| 00:10.01 | GomoX | mathrick: installing via network? sure, why not |
| 00:10.11 | GomoX | read the installation manual |
| 00:10.18 | alias | GomoX, specifically where in a track you are, what "playlist" you have loaded, any equalizer or visualizer settings, things like that |
| 00:10.32 | mathrick | GomoX: and is netboot.iso (the small 3MB one) supposed to have IDE support? |
| 00:10.34 | alias | I imagine it could be done quite simply, this is specifically a GUI player as well |
| 00:10.44 | GomoX | xmms can do that |
| 00:10.50 | alias | GomoX, *smack* |
| 00:10.57 | alias | GomoX, enlighten me |
| 00:11.02 | GomoX | o_O |
| 00:11.04 | alias | Or point me towards "enlightenment" |
| 00:11.11 | alias | I feel smart |
| 00:11.11 | alias | heh |
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| 00:11.21 | michal | GomoX: from the minit description: This package is experimental and not easy to install and use. |
| 00:11.25 | GomoX | mathrick: i guess it does, but read the installation manual |
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| 00:11.35 | mathrick | antfarmz: libgtk2.0-0 |
| 00:11.40 | antfarmz | cool thanks |
| 00:11.41 | mathrick | GomoX: OK, will do |
| 00:11.45 | GomoX | michal: well, you could try it since a video player is not really a production server :P |
| 00:11.47 | michal | GomoX: you trying to lead me into more pain and suffering? :) |
| 00:11.50 | alias | aw man death by fire- that's harsh |
| 00:11.55 | Leaf- | this might be the wrong place to ask, but I've been combing the web for an hour and can't find a good answer: Is it legal to link BSD licensed code into a GPLed project? |
| 00:12.10 | GomoX | alias: i dont know how to make xmms not know where it was left |
| 00:12.12 | Leaf- | the new BSD license, that is |
| 00:12.21 | michal | mathieu: east coast of Australia. Above Sydney. |
| 00:12.22 | GomoX | unless you kill -9 it everytime, it will stay where it was |
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| 00:13.22 | GomoX | Leaf-: you cant relicense it, but you can distribute them together of course |
| 00:13.25 | defendguin | is there a channel for progeny debian? |
| 00:13.42 | GomoX | defendguin: try #progeny, although i have no clue |
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| 00:13.42 | alias | Yes but it won't remember that you were last playing track X and upon launch pick up playing track X where you left off |
| 00:13.48 | Leaf- | hmm, as part of the same binary? |
| 00:13.58 | GomoX | alias: why not just pause then o_O |
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| 00:14.24 | GomoX | alias: i use it from my "multimedia keys", i dont even know on which virtual desktop is the window :P |
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| 00:14.49 | Dasboot | I tried to change my window manager with update-alternatives --config x-window-system but it doesn't change the setting at all |
| 00:14.53 | alias | GomoX, it's to make it more like a consumer device than anything |
| 00:15.01 | Synapse- | Morning to all! |
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| 00:15.09 | alias | think, car stereos |
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| 00:15.19 | cheetogeek | for some reason i cannot play music cd's...the tracks show up in xmms and gnome's cdplayer but no sound. and the gnome startup sounds work fine...any help? |
| 00:15.30 | GomoX | ohh i see, whats with everyone building media devices |
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| 00:15.45 | GomoX | cheetogeek: maybe copy protection? |
| 00:15.55 | defendguin | GomoX, nope i was there already |
| 00:15.57 | alias | GomoX, *shrug* computers are cheap? |
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| 00:16.11 | cheetogeek | GomoX, I'll try another...older cd...just a sec |
| 00:16.18 | GomoX | alias: i wish i had a nano-itx around here :'( |
| 00:16.29 | markybob | is there a way to add an alias to /etc/network/interfaces? i'm trying to make it so i dont have to add 'ifconfig eth0:1 aliasip' in an rc file |
| 00:16.50 | kaplan_israel | anyone saw the recent changes to tasksel? |
| 00:17.05 | ivan | how do i apt-get a package from a certain source? |
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| 00:17.16 | alias | GomoX, that form factor is amazing |
| 00:17.22 | ivan | when php4 is both in stable and dotdeb, for example |
| 00:17.27 | GomoX | ivan: add that source to /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get install <package> |
| 00:17.35 | GomoX | ivan: oh |
| 00:17.37 | kaplan_israel | ivan, you must use wget or other download method... or just have one suorce |
| 00:17.38 | ivan | it's there, it wants to install the php4 in stable |
| 00:17.50 | ivan | wow, that's pretty dumb. priority in preferences should pick the best one |
| 00:17.54 | alias | GomoX, I'll admit I am building a computer in to my car... I finally hacked away at these egalax touchscreen drivers to get my 7" touch screen to work with Debian |
| 00:17.58 | GomoX | alias: well, xmms has a "jump to time" dialog |
| 00:18.17 | MerlinCorey | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.23 | MerlinCorey | how can I figure out what library it needs..? |
| 00:18.23 | alias | I refused to use Fedora core or anything that was supported by them been using Debian for years not going to change for those facists :-P |
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| 00:18.33 | GomoX | xD |
| 00:18.56 | sussudio | !cookie alias |
| 00:19.00 | alias | GomoX, I'm thinking it should be easy to hack something to simply save where you are in a track and then auto play upon relaunch... someone's HAD to have want this |
| 00:19.06 | sussudio | :-| |
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| 00:19.20 | alias | I don't waaaaaaaaaaant a cookie |
| 00:19.28 | GomoX | alias: probably, indeed |
| 00:19.36 | alias | GomoX, thanks much for your direction |
| 00:19.39 | GomoX | i havent seen it myself, although i wont say ive looked much :) |
| 00:19.40 | alias | I'll continue to hunt |
| 00:19.47 | cheetogeek | GomoX, with the other cd's it doesn't even show the tracks.... |
| 00:19.48 | GomoX | good luck |
| 00:19.54 | green-earz | markybob: check out the howto on the link http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/5/2003/05/2/56881 |
| 00:20.04 | kaplan_israel | markubob, you can write it like any other interface |
| 00:20.14 | GomoX | cheetogeek: weird |
| 00:20.14 | GomoX | get help from someone else now, im off for some food :P |
| 00:20.15 | alias | I was just hoping someone could point me to something rather than me aimlessly searching for awhile but hey you gotta do what you gotta do |
| 00:20.20 | michal | I don't suppose there's another sould here who uses VDR ? |
| 00:20.27 | michal | s/sould/soul |
| 00:20.39 | sussudio | michal: use penicillin for your VD-R |
| 00:21.04 | MerlinCorey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:21.32 | Piru | libares perhaps? :) |
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| 00:21.52 | MerlinCorey | it's always direct expansion..? |
| 00:21.59 | MerlinCorey | 's asking |
| 00:22.09 | michal | sussudio: I'm allerging to penicillin |
| 00:22.47 | cheetogeek | hmm...ok...as root it will show and play tracks on cd's, but i can't here them. as for any other user (even sudo users) I can't see the tracks on the cd...any help? |
| 00:22.55 | cheetogeek | *hear |
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| 00:23.02 | MerlinCorey | thanks Piru... |
| 00:23.09 | MerlinCorey | libares-dev it is :) |
| 00:23.14 | sussudio | michal: should've stayed away from those midgets, then. |
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| 00:23.21 | cievo | all...EHLO smtp.network.sk :) |
| 00:23.52 | cievo | any1 here ? |
| 00:24.29 | cievo | hello :) |
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| 00:24.32 | alias | Hi |
| 00:24.34 | cheetogeek | and as a sudo user it will play the gnome startup sounds, but as a non-sudo user it won't |
| 00:25.08 | alias | cheetogeek, I assume you've added yourself to the "audio" group and logged out and logged back in? |
| 00:25.12 | MerlinCorey | *sigh* |
| 00:25.16 | MerlinCorey | the never ending compile... |
| 00:25.32 | Catalina | !test |
| 00:25.32 | dpkg | No, catalina, you're not online any more. |
| 00:25.38 | michal | sussudio: i couldn't help it. they were so... small. |
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| 00:25.58 | ivan | apt-get says: php5: Depends: apache-common (>= 1.3.26) but it is not installable |
| 00:25.59 | cheetogeek | alias, heh...actually no...let me try that...*duh ;) |
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| 00:26.06 | ivan | although i have: ii apache2-common 2.0.50-4.backp Next generation, scalable, extendable web se |
| 00:26.07 | alias | cheetogeek, ;-) no problem |
| 00:26.13 | mathrick | hmm, seems like netboot wasn't the wisest choice ;) |
| 00:26.18 | ivan | same with php4 |
| 00:26.24 | mathrick | let's retry with netinst |
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| 00:26.47 | cievo | ehlo...smtp.network.sk to all ;) |
| 00:26.57 | cievo | shit |
| 00:27.04 | cievo | my network connection sucks |
| 00:27.48 | cievo | all...ho |
| 00:27.51 | cievo | ehm hi :) |
| 00:28.13 | michal | does anyone know of a source for those simple maps they'd use in Indiana Jones files to show travel between destinations? I'd love to do that for holiday videos |
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| 00:29.12 | initech | michal: no, but an animated gif in gimp could do it |
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| 00:30.22 | michal | initech: randomly generating an animated gif in gimp isn't likely to produce a likeness of a map I need :P |
| 00:30.47 | cievo | all...is it possible to do bootable linux disk on USB key ? |
| 00:31.22 | michal | cievo: let me know if you find out.. i have an external hdd which i wouldn't mind booting :P |
| 00:31.46 | cievo | michal: do you mean like eernal USB HDD? |
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| 00:32.28 | cievo | all...i mean I can imageine to put debian on it , but I don't know if that little think has MBR or something like that :) |
| 00:32.47 | michal | cool.. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/xpeditions/atlas/index.html |
| 00:32.47 | cievo | michal: maybe if you compy all needed files there and then chroot over it and do lilo.... |
| 00:33.51 | owner | what does sync do? |
| 00:33.58 | michal | cievo: well i havn't been able to figure out how to make it bootable under dos/win/lin yet.. it's firewire/usb2 .. i couldn't get it to boot with a mac over firewire even though it's supposed to.. i'll eventually work it out. |
| 00:33.59 | scarynetworkguy | michal, that is pretty damned cool |
| 00:34.45 | cievo | owner : it syncronizes writes all datas from buffers into your hardrive... |
| 00:34.48 | mathrick | michal: isn't choosing USB as boot media in BIOS enough? |
| 00:35.14 | michal | scarynetworkguy: the maps? yeah. perfect for presentations.. just run it through a filter to make ti look like an old map and it's perfect :) |
| 00:35.17 | alias | GomoX, man.. it's hard to craft a search string in google that returns ANYTHING pertinent to what I want :-\ |
| 00:35.25 | scarynetworkguy | michal, yup |
| 00:35.32 | cievo | owner : do you know what I mean ? :) |
| 00:35.34 | owner | cievo: thx for the heads up |
| 00:35.39 | michal | mathrick: nope. need a proper mbr and installed os |
| 00:35.44 | owner | cievo: yep =) |
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| 00:35.53 | cievo | owner : :) u r always welcome |
| 00:36.10 | michal | scarynetworkguy: it's just what i was looking for.. you could even sup up sequences of zooming into a destination |
| 00:36.31 | owner | cievo: this maybe a stupid question but, how do I free up swap spaces? |
| 00:36.45 | mathrick | michal: proper == same as when booting from IDE / SCSI? |
| 00:36.45 | cievo | owner : wow...why do you need to do that ? |
| 00:36.59 | michal | the rpoblem with google searches is that often you need to know more than you do about what you're searching for.. however the reason you are searching in the first place is to learn more |
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| 00:37.17 | owner | cievo: just for the heck of it =) |
| 00:37.17 | RUAAUMOKO | WHERE AM I? |
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| 00:37.25 | owner | cievo: so is it possible? |
| 00:37.27 | michal | mathrick: i presume so. |
| 00:37.28 | LSorensen | RUAAUMOKO: Hell |
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| 00:37.40 | scarynetworkguy | michal, really I'll have to play with it a bit. |
| 00:37.46 | mathrick | michal: so, why didn't you do so? :) |
| 00:37.46 | RUAAUMOKO | SWEET I WAAS LOOKING FOR THIS PLACE |
| 00:37.49 | cievo | owner : oh i see :) I have no clue, but try to swapoff :) |
| 00:38.03 | cievo | owner : it should clean and turn swap off :) |
| 00:38.08 | owner | doh!!!!! |
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| 00:38.21 | sleazegrinder | RUAAUMOKO: Then turn off caps lock |
| 00:38.27 | michal | mathrick: well when i needed a dos bootable disk i tried to make the hdd dos bootable.. but i couldn't get it to work.. so i nended up sourcing a floppy drive instead :P |
| 00:38.36 | RUAAUMOKO | or what? |
| 00:38.44 | RUAAUMOKO | willl i get booted? |
| 00:39.02 | sleazegrinder | RUAAUMOKO: Or, nothing. At most you'll get kicked. But I doubt anyone would bother. |
| 00:39.06 | RUAAUMOKO | i am really new to this site |
| 00:39.16 | LSorensen | this isn't a site. |
| 00:39.19 | RUAAUMOKO | sorry dudes |
| 00:39.32 | mathrick | michal: bah, DOS ;) Didn't it work with Linux? Like, you made it properly bootable but it failed to boot? |
| 00:39.32 | RUAAUMOKO | what is this place? |
| 00:40.15 | michal | the matrix |
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| 00:40.24 | pz|n | a place to pick up girls :) |
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| 00:40.34 | RUAAUMOKO | for real? |
| 00:40.45 | pz|n | no, not really |
| 00:40.47 | michal | it's Cyberspace. |
| 00:40.53 | pz|n | not to my knowledge |
| 00:41.03 | michal | well no.. most of the "girls" would be ugly fat men pretending to be girls |
| 00:41.09 | RUAAUMOKO | sweet then what do you do in this area? |
| 00:41.15 | cievo | michal: haha :-D |
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| 00:41.26 | RUAAUMOKO | ha ha |
| 00:41.47 | scarynetworkguy | and of course anyone who could quote Neruormancer never would |
| 00:41.54 | owner | cievo: swapoff works =) woohooooo!!! |
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| 00:42.10 | michal | scarynetworkguy: what? I'm not allowed to use the term cyberspace without using direct quotes from Neuromancer now? |
| 00:42.19 | cievo | owner: and don't forget about swapon :) |
| 00:42.25 | owner | yep |
| 00:42.43 | michal | scarynetworkguy: I've read the book 3 times dammit! Not that I could remember a FULL quote. He used rather long sentences. |
| 00:42.44 | owner | cievo: funny thing is that it put all my swap to my RAM =) |
| 00:42.47 | RUAAUMOKO | well this place is really boring guys |
| 00:42.49 | scarynetworkguy | michal, just a general thought. Techincally speaking Cyberspace requires a 3d interface and trodes |
| 00:43.04 | scarynetworkguy | michal, I'm just teasing |
| 00:43.09 | michal | I think the best one was "The street finds it's own uses for technology". |
| 00:43.19 | ivan | all the backport devs of php5/php4 require apache-common, while i have apache2-common |
| 00:43.22 | michal | or was it "use" ? |
| 00:43.22 | cievo | owner: what were you expecting ? |
| 00:43.23 | mathrick | scarynetworkguy: brain plug pretty much obsoletes any kind of iface whatsoever |
| 00:43.26 | scarynetworkguy | michal, that was a clasic |
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| 00:43.46 | owner | cievo: I was expecting it will be deleted... |
| 00:43.53 | mathrick | scarynetworkguy: direct link is more interface than you'd ever need |
| 00:44.01 | michal | scarynetworkguy: you wanna know the best thing about those maps? you can get them as pdf's.. and they're not just an image embedded in the pdf.. they're VECTORIZED! |
| 00:44.02 | scarynetworkguy | mathrick, you still have an interface. That and I have problems wiht brain plug. Think "power surge" :( |
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| 00:44.03 | owner | cievo: how does linux put things to swap? |
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| 00:44.19 | mathrick | scarynetworkguy: you said "trodes" yourself :) |
| 00:44.25 | scarynetworkguy | michal, you are bringing out my inner map geek |
| 00:44.35 | scarynetworkguy | mathrick, trodes are not a brain plug |
| 00:44.45 | LSorensen | owner: how detailed an answer do you want to that? |
| 00:44.45 | michal | scarynetworkguy: you think that by the time they have consumer brain plugs they won't have worked out how to use resistors and capacitors? :) |
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| 00:44.52 | cievo | owner : if there are processes that are not running for so time kernel removes 'em to the swap space and if they are needed kernel polls them out...do you kow what I mean ? It works like 'slow RAM' |
| 00:44.56 | mathrick | scarynetworkguy: it doesn't have to be done surgically |
| 00:45.10 | mathrick | scarynetworkguy: it's the nature of interaction that matters |
| 00:45.27 | mathrick | scarynetworkguy: trodes are enough to be brainplug |
| 00:45.27 | michal | i don't see how you're going to have the low latency required without a direct link |
| 00:45.44 | owner | cievo: I see, I think I understand =) |
| 00:45.48 | owner | cievo: thx again |
| 00:45.52 | douglas | hi michal |
| 00:46.05 | scarynetworkguy | michal I don't know I have problems with the whole thing ever since reading a book, I forget who cause it was the only good part, where some guy flying a fighter with a brian plug crasehd and half his grey matter came out with the plug. The whole idea weirds me out |
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| 00:46.18 | cievo | owner : np |
| 00:46.40 | michal | scarynetworkguy: well if he crashed then the brainplug was the least of his problem |
| 00:46.42 | scarynetworkguy | mathrick, to me brian plug == hardware inserted into the skull. I don't want that. Trodes are on the outside that is all good |
| 00:46.56 | mathrick | scarynetworkguy: heh, if I were to crash with plane, my grey matter wouldn't be the biggest problem ;) |
| 00:47.02 | deadcat | can i apt-get remove bash && dpkg -i bash-2.5*.deb right away? because i am getting "Yes, do as I say!" and i am scared. (= |
| 00:47.17 | scarynetworkguy | michal, yea I don't know I still don't want anything *in* my skull |
| 00:47.18 | LSorensen | deadcat: don't do that |
| 00:47.25 | LSorensen | deadcat: it won't work most likely |
| 00:47.27 | douglas | when booting, it says it's renewing dhcp in 1800 seconds... was that imposed by the dhcp server it connected to, or is that some default thing on my end? |
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| 00:47.30 | LSorensen | deadcat: why would you do that? |
| 00:47.32 | deadcat | LSorensen: ok. how can i go back to 2.05? 3.0 blows |
| 00:47.43 | LSorensen | deadcat: dpkg -i bash-2.....deb |
| 00:47.47 | deadcat | k |
| 00:47.50 | mathrick | scarynetworkguy: well, for me brainplug is more like "connection that makes it possible to do direct link". Technicalia are irrelevant more or less |
| 00:47.51 | michal | the problem with a proper brain plug is that technology improves rather quickly.. until they can regenerate the body in order to seamlessly REMOVE such plugs then I would be rather wary |
| 00:47.53 | LSorensen | deadcat: it will say 'downgrading' |
| 00:48.05 | LSorensen | deadcat: or you do: apt-get install bash/testing or something like that |
| 00:48.07 | ryanw | is there a way i can setup a route map in linux. eg from range a uses router a but from range b uses router b. |
| 00:48.20 | deadcat | LSorensen: cool. thanks. |
| 00:48.24 | Tezkah | speaking of downgrading, would it be possible to edit the apt/sources.list to point to sarge, and downgrade everything from unstable? |
| 00:48.27 | LSorensen | ryanw: using ip route package you can do that and a lot of other weird stuff |
| 00:48.47 | douglas | Tezkah: i've been told no |
| 00:48.54 | michal | frankly i think having a link directly into the brain migh be safer than having some skullcap beaming radiation into my head at a high frequency :P |
| 00:49.03 | scarynetworkguy | mathrick, see to me that is a *big* distinction. |
| 00:49.05 | douglas | followed by "that's what you get for running testing" |
| 00:49.39 | LSorensen | Tezkah: in general, no. you can manually downgrade all the packages though and it will mostly deal. some config files may need fixing |
| 00:49.55 | mathrick | anyway, seems like it's time to retry installation for me, later |
| 00:50.01 | scarynetworkguy | Tezkah, if you know exactly what you were doing.... well no on second thought even if you knew exactly what you were doing you (not you but you as in anybody) would still fuck it up |
| 00:50.20 | douglas | Tezkah: you'd have better luck trying to fix what broke or backing up your files and reinstalling |
| 00:50.20 | Tezkah | ah |
| 00:50.29 | Tezkah | well, nothings backed up on here |
| 00:50.33 | Tezkah | crons just busted for now |
| 00:50.34 | Tezkah | no biggie |
| 00:50.52 | douglas | right .. cron's for lazy people |
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| 00:51.13 | michal | yeah. people should get up at 2 am and do their own maintanence |
| 00:51.41 | michal | scarynetworkguy: what's video got to do with brainplugs? |
| 00:51.43 | Tezkah | heh, I did that last night... went to sleep at 7 with a headache, woke up at midnight, stayed up for a few hours, fell back asleep |
| 00:52.00 | douglas | well if not then they wouldn't have the chance to check that the security mirrors weren't compromised |
| 00:52.01 | michal | btw.. brainplugs already DO exist and have for some time.. with a crappy resolution mind you |
| 00:52.10 | initech | michal: yes, and with a morse code tapper and line printer instead of a keyboard and display! |
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| 00:52.31 | scarynetworkguy | michal nothing but my friend who is good with that stuff made me a DVD of a rip of the laserdisk for The Cure's video "In Orange" and it is cool as hell |
| 00:52.34 | michal | initech: well not so bad but I think the first ones were in the 70's |
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| 00:53.13 | initech | scarynetworkguy: you're a GOTH? |
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| 00:53.37 | scarynetworkguy | initech, I'm 33 fucking years old. But yes in the day I wore black more often than not. :) |
| 00:53.51 | michal | well I like their spiderman track.. and i'm not a goth |
| 00:54.02 | michal | 33 fucking years.. that's a lot of fucking |
| 00:54.07 | scarynetworkguy | initech, keep in mind this video is from 87 about the last time I liked anything the Cure did was 89 :) |
| 00:54.09 | douglas | let's not get personal here, i like knowing you all as green text on black |
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| 00:54.19 | Xybernaut | michal: How download spiderman track mp3 ? |
| 00:54.22 | Xybernaut | :P |
| 00:54.44 | michal | umm.. you mean spiderman by the cure? |
| 00:54.54 | Xybernaut | yes |
| 00:54.55 | Synapse- | Xybernaut: English motherfuxker, do you speak it? :P |
| 00:55.03 | Xybernaut | Fuck.. |
| 00:55.05 | Xybernaut | :) |
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| 00:55.19 | scarynetworkguy | Xybernaut, go to http://www.amazon.com and then "download" the cd it will show up in the mail in a few days |
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| 00:55.21 | walnuck | Synapse- you suck |
| 00:55.23 | owner | what's good package to update my local time? |
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| 00:55.44 | scarynetworkguy | owner, rdate |
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| 00:56.08 | deadcat | owner: ntpdate |
| 00:56.09 | douglas | owner: man date |
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| 00:56.20 | deadcat | oh nevermind. local. (= |
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| 00:56.47 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, that is what I was talking about. I think it is really intersting that they are not known as a Goth band over your way |
| 00:57.00 | HansGNU_2 | anyone know MSI K7N2 Delta mother board ??? |
| 00:57.18 | redneckone | man...still having trouble with this sound. and now one of my users has a problem with gnome (can start the x server but not gnome) |
| 00:57.21 | douglas | HansGNU_2: no.. |
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| 00:57.27 | scarynetworkguy | HansGNU_2, I'm guessing at least one guy at MSI does |
| 00:57.37 | douglas | people who are interested in sound shouldn't use debian |
| 00:57.49 | Tezkah | hahaha |
| 00:57.51 | Tezkah | thats terrible |
| 00:57.54 | redneckone | heh |
| 00:57.56 | douglas | :) |
| 00:58.05 | scarynetworkguy | douglas, heh |
| 00:58.35 | Tezkah | speak of the devil, my sound isn't working :( |
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| 00:58.46 | owner | thx deadcat that's the one I wanted =) |
| 00:59.04 | cheetogeek | Tezkah, mine seems to work for everything except music cd's |
| 00:59.12 | deadcat | owner: i use ntp.nasa.gov (= hahahah |
| 00:59.17 | Tezkah | mine works fine usualy |
| 00:59.20 | Tezkah | *usually |
| 00:59.24 | deadcat | owner: they better not fuck up the time. (= |
| 00:59.27 | Tezkah | but now something is messed up and blocking my sound card |
| 00:59.27 | scarynetworkguy | cheetogeek, us $.25 says you got permissions issues |
| 00:59.40 | HansGNU_2 | scarynetworkguy : i have one .. but a can not use because when it start does not work. My ata stop all the process |
| 00:59.40 | owner | deadcat: hahhahahahha |
| 00:59.59 | cheetogeek | scarynetworkguy, that's what i'm thinking |
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| 01:00.07 | owner | owner: know if ntpdate updates the time on starting up the linux box? |
| 01:00.13 | scarynetworkguy | HansGNU_2, I ask this not to be mean but so we can help you better. What language do you speak? |
| 01:00.20 | scarynetworkguy | cheetogeek, are you in the cdrom group? |
| 01:00.24 | kremlyn | hahaha, this may please many debian users (if those same debian users dislike gentoo). http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 01:00.26 | cheetogeek | scarynetworkguy, yep |
| 01:00.38 | scarynetworkguy | cheetogeek, does it work as root? |
| 01:00.53 | Tezkah | so how would I tell what is molesting my /dev/dsp? |
| 01:01.14 | scarynetworkguy | Tezkah, just a guess but do you run KDE? |
| 01:01.19 | deadcat | Tezkah: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 01:01.21 | Tezkah | I booted into kde for a second |
| 01:01.35 | Tezkah | bash: /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 01:01.35 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat, don't be mean |
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| 01:01.44 | deadcat | Tezkah: oops. try fuser or lsof /dev/dsp |
| 01:01.49 | scarynetworkguy | Tezkah, so right now are you in KDE or not? |
| 01:01.49 | HansGNU_2 | scarynetworkguy : my problem is : I start my pc but it does not work because my serial ata stop the progress.. understand? |
| 01:01.53 | Tezkah | I'm in gnome right now |
| 01:01.55 | cheetogeek | scarynetworkguy, this is the weird part...as root it shows the tracks, but doesn't play the sound but plays the file. with all the other users the tracks don't even show up |
| 01:02.02 | Tezkah | ah, gaim is the culprit |
| 01:02.06 | michal | i wish the hotplug service didn't sput so much crap about things that are already loaded.. if it's already loaded then i don't want to hear about it |
| 01:02.08 | scarynetworkguy | HansGNU_2, yes kind of what language do you speak as a native? |
| 01:02.08 | owner | deadcat: know if ntpdate updates the time on starting up the linux box? |
| 01:02.09 | redcliffe | hi - anyone know if there is a group you can add yourself to get full access to the /proc/bus/usb stuff? |
| 01:02.11 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: last that that cat command scared the shit of of me while helping a friend with his laptop at the school lab. (= |
| 01:02.12 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Sorry, back from shower. Umm, which band, sorry, do you find surprising that they're not labelled as Goth over here? |
| 01:02.21 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat, :) |
| 01:02.22 | deadcat | owner: it does that automatically. |
| 01:02.29 | thomas_adam | redcliffe: No. |
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| 01:02.34 | owner | deadcat: damn =( |
| 01:02.40 | deadcat | owner: /etc/defaults/ntpdate |
| 01:02.44 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, The Cure as soon as I mentioned it at least one person mentioned that. :) |
| 01:02.53 | redcliffe | thomas_adam: ok so is there some other way to get access? |
| 01:03.16 | scarynetworkguy | cheetogeek, then you have perm issues for sure. |
| 01:03.29 | thomas_adam | redcliffe: No such mechanism. |
| 01:03.32 | Tezkah | hmm, even after killing gaim, xmms still refuses to play |
| 01:03.35 | redcliffe | ok thanks |
| 01:03.41 | cheetogeek | scarynetworkguy, yeah that's what i figured |
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| 01:03.44 | krystal2 | nite |
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| 01:04.15 | scarynetworkguy | cheetogeek, and is the cheesy little audio cable on your cd plugged in/ |
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| 01:04.30 | AlanMc | how do I remove Debian? |
| 01:04.35 | cheetogeek | scarynetworkguy, why hell no...but it worked fine before |
| 01:04.51 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat, if you really want to freak someone out cat their HDD :) |
| 01:04.57 | cheetogeek | scarynetworkguy, *in other distro |
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| 01:05.15 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: cat the hdd and > /dev/dsp? (= HAHAHAH |
| 01:05.16 | scarynetworkguy | cheetogeek, what audio device is your app pointing to? |
| 01:05.28 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat, that would be just plain mean |
| 01:05.38 | michal | i don't suppose anyone has been skilled enough to write a kernel configurator with dependancy graphing yet? |
| 01:05.40 | Tezkah | xmms you jerk, mpg123 works fine... |
| 01:05.44 | lucas | AlanMc: debian cannot be removed, it is here to stay |
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| 01:05.52 | cheetogeek | alsa , with the emu10k1 |
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| 01:06.11 | cheetogeek | scarynetworkguy, alsa, with the emu10k1 |
| 01:06.16 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: hehehe. i used to scare my friend using eject since the server was in their room. (= |
| 01:06.23 | t-jack | AlanMc: rm -rf / does wonders... but then you'll hafta refomat your HDD and re-install... |
| 01:06.45 | michal | this genuinely bugs me.. |
| 01:06.48 | michal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:06.48 | michal | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.51 | AlanMc | t-jack, I can live with that. |
| 01:06.56 | cievo | deadcat : sounds good ;) |
| 01:07.01 | michal | now.. wtf is Intel ICH5 if it's not libata? |
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| 01:07.21 | cheetogeek | scarynetworkguy, brb...in bout 8 min |
| 01:07.21 | deadcat | cievo: while loop with eject hehehe. |
| 01:07.34 | cievo | deadcat : hihi :) |
| 01:07.35 | lostnihilist | using debian sid, kernel 2.6.6-k7-2, udev, cannot get udev to make device fd0, can anyone help? |
| 01:07.43 | t-jack | Well if rm -rf / recks his harddrive... |
| 01:07.47 | lucas | t-jack: lol |
| 01:07.48 | deadcat | cievo: hoho? (= |
| 01:07.52 | scarynetworkguy | Tezkah, in KDE go to "Control Center" then "sound & multimedia" then "sound sytem" then uncheck "Enable Sound System" log out log back in and bob should be your uncle |
| 01:08.08 | lucas | t-jack: prolly deserves it anyway... |
| 01:08.13 | Tezkah | scarynetworkguy: yeah, I'm in gnome, it might be that ESD is just not working |
| 01:08.32 | michal | is there any way to configure lircd to run without any hardware? I can't get it to work properly that way |
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| 01:08.37 | michal | Starting lirc daemon: lircdlircd 0.6.6: there's no hardware I can use and no peers are specified |
| 01:08.42 | scarynetworkguy | HansGNU_2, on a normal day I would threaten to beat you to death. But after the kindess that has been shown to be today and cause I have a cool new dvd I'm not going to do that. Please dont msg me *ever* again |
| 01:08.52 | michal | it seems as if it's should work judging by the debconf |
| 01:09.00 | mickeyks | scarynetworkguy: which dvd? |
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| 01:09.12 | t-jack | lucas: The only way to get the ease of Windows, and the power of Unix... Debian. |
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| 01:09.37 | deadcat | lucas: i usually just spank debian in the ass. (= |
| 01:09.39 | scarynetworkguy | HansGNU_2, I can't help you I don't know how to solve your problem I'm trying to point you to the right channel for you to find help. Me I would read the manual |
| 01:09.54 | scarynetworkguy | mickeyks, a rip of an old Cure concert laser disk. |
| 01:09.55 | mickeyks | t-jack: you must be running a different version of debian than me |
| 01:10.07 | lucas | debianXP |
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| 01:11.00 | t-jack | mickeyks: I use Sid. Granted, being Unstable, it can be quite the pain, but as long as it behaves I can figure most things out. |
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| 01:11.42 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: you poor bastard. (= |
| 01:11.45 | Tezkah | whee, this ultraportable laptop I was looking at buying just had a price drop |
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| 01:11.53 | michal | scarynetworkguy: you can do metres? what are you? some kind marathon runner? |
| 01:11.53 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat, but I'm getting better |
| 01:11.55 | mickeyks | t-jack: i'm sure you can, but "ease of windows" is a bit of a stretch |
| 01:12.01 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: smoker? |
| 01:12.03 | scarynetworkguy | michal, I'm improved from feet |
| 01:12.13 | mickeyks | i am anti-windows. but it doesn't require much reading of documentation to use |
| 01:12.17 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat, no. Just a classic geek |
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| 01:12.48 | michal | same with mac. on a mac you basiaclly never need documentation. regardless of what you want to do |
| 01:12.59 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: There are distinct advantages to being 20 points under BMI. I can go indolent for months and suddenly run a 440 relay. |
| 01:12.59 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: cool. atleast you dont smoke (=... i stop running cus i have "runner's knee"... thats kinna lame. |
| 01:12.59 | nevyn | that's not true. |
| 01:13.24 | michal | want to edit some video? no problem.. imovie.. make a dvd? no problem.. idvd.. and so on.. |
| 01:13.26 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack, I'm on a diet now. going to get there someday |
| 01:13.43 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat, yea the bum knee I picked up in the Air Farce does not help |
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| 01:14.00 | Tezkah | scarynetworkguy: you were on the CBC? |
| 01:14.13 | scarynetworkguy | michal yea and if you do read the docs it has some depth. unlike winders |
| 01:14.20 | scarynetworkguy | Tezkah, ? |
| 01:14.21 | michal | i will be able to tie my shoelaces without struggling to reach my feet one day |
| 01:14.34 | Tezkah | scarynetworkguy: we have a show in canada called "royal canadian air farce" ;) |
| 01:14.41 | t-jack | mickeyks: A bit, maybe. |
| 01:14.45 | scarynetworkguy | Tezkah, :) |
| 01:15.03 | michal | scarynetworkguy: the strength is that a normal person usually won't need the docs.. but if they do they're often useful |
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| 01:15.13 | t-jack | Tezkah: Canada has an Air Farce? |
| 01:15.14 | scarynetworkguy | michal true |
| 01:15.25 | grzesiek | hi |
| 01:15.32 | michal | i'm possibly the least flexible human on the planet |
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| 01:15.37 | LSorensen | t-jack: yes. excelent comedy |
| 01:15.47 | scarynetworkguy | Tezkah, in reality the canadians that I trained with were damn good troops |
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| 01:15.58 | grzesiek | I dont seem to bae able to find blackdown java 1.4 anywhere... can anyone point to debs? |
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| 01:16.12 | LSorensen | grzesiek: which debian version? |
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| 01:16.20 | deadcat | !tell grzesiek about blackdown |
| 01:16.22 | grzesiek | LSorensen unstable |
| 01:16.26 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: I was just thinking of them... |
| 01:16.26 | rich_ | Hello everyone |
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| 01:16.58 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack, Boot to the head :) |
| 01:17.09 | LSorensen | grzesiek: blackdown certainly has those, although there is a package that allows you to make deb's from the official sun packages that seems better |
| 01:17.14 | cheetogeek | well damn...i'll figure it outb |
| 01:17.22 | cheetogeek | *out later |
| 01:17.27 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Silly words at the bus stop... Gotta be my fave... eh... except for tie kwan leap... |
| 01:17.34 | LSorensen | !j2se-package |
| 01:17.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, j2se-package is a tool to convert Sun's java packages into Java policy compliant debian packages. The resulting packages handle setting up the java pluging for various browsers. http://z42.de/debian/ |
| 01:17.53 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack, those are classice |
| 01:18.00 | laur3nt | Can anybody here give me some pointers as to why my Woody install is ignoring .procmailrc files in user directories? |
| 01:18.11 | grzesiek | LSorensen do I have to download sun pacs? do you know where form? |
| 01:18.13 | michal | cool.. thare's a package for converting it now.. i had to do it manually |
| 01:18.14 | LSorensen | laur3nt: running exim as mail server? |
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| 01:18.22 | LSorensen | grzesiek: java.sun.com |
| 01:18.23 | laur3nt | LSorensen: postfix, sorry should have mentioned this |
| 01:18.28 | LSorensen | grzesiek: it gives instructions |
| 01:18.48 | LSorensen | laur3nt: exim does it by default, which is pretty unusual for a mail server. most expect you to use .forward to call procmail |
| 01:18.50 | laur3nt | LSorensen: when I add an include to /etc/procmailrc it works as intended |
| 01:18.54 | Lights_ | which apt has ps2pdf program? |
| 01:19.00 | michal | mpkg-j2se - A utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages |
| 01:19.04 | LSorensen | !find ps2pdf |
| 01:19.05 | eibwe1 | Do any of the install cds have support for a Belkin F5D6020 (Atmel Chipset) wireless nic? |
| 01:19.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ps2pdf' (5 shown): (/usr/share/apps/kile/pics/ps2pdf.png) in tex/kile ;; (/usr/share/rubber/rubber/modules/ps2pdf.py) in tex/rubber ;; (/usr/bin/{ps2pdf|ps2pdf12|ps2pdf13|...}) in text/gs-common ;; (/usr/share/apps/kdeprint/filters/{ps2pdf.desktop|ps2pdf.xml}) in libs/kdelibs-data ;; (/usr/share/Xprint/xserver/C/print/models/PS2PDFspooldir-GS/ps2pdf_spooltodir.sh) in x11/xprt-common. |
| 01:19.13 | grzesiek | LSorensen and how about making debs out of it? |
| 01:19.14 | michal | seems the name has changed.. at least for sid |
| 01:19.22 | scarynetworkguy | eibwe1, what chipset is it? |
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| 01:19.29 | LSorensen | eibwe1: a better question is: does any linux kernel version support it. if yes, then find out if debian uses that kernel |
| 01:19.32 | Lights_ | LSorensen, what do you mean? |
| 01:19.33 | laur3nt | LSorensen: strange, I never had to do this on any of my other systems (gentoo, redhat etc.) |
| 01:19.37 | LSorensen | grzesiek: very simple. just follow instructions |
| 01:19.47 | grzesiek | LSorensen thx |
| 01:20.01 | Lights_ | LSorensen, I see. Thanks |
| 01:20.17 | michal | does anyone here use zeroconf/rendezvous/opentalk under linux? |
| 01:20.18 | LSorensen | grzesiek: something like: j2se-package sunfile |
| 01:20.29 | scarynetworkguy | eibwe1, do'h none that I know for that chipset. but this will tell you if it has drivers http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz |
| 01:21.11 | michal | is there a smaller, lighter MTA than exim4-lite ? |
| 01:21.16 | Nurbs | LSorensen: I guess mpkg-j2se is preferable |
| 01:21.29 | eibwe1 | scarynetworkguy: http://atmelwlandriver.sf.net/ purportedly works -- I just haven't been able to get it to work |
| 01:21.30 | LSorensen | Nurbs: oh maybe that's the name. I did it a while ago |
| 01:21.30 | Guerin | michal: depends what you want it to do |
| 01:21.36 | Nurbs | LSorensen: it seems to be the current version of j2se-package |
| 01:21.42 | michal | Guerin: absolutely nothing |
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| 01:21.48 | Guerin | michal: nullmailer |
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| 01:21.50 | Nurbs | LSorensen: it's new in unstable afaict. same maintainer. got to be the same :) |
| 01:21.59 | scarynetworkguy | eibwe1, I don't know the only thing I've had any luck with are prism chipsets |
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| 01:22.27 | Guerin | michal: it's a relay-only mta... tell it where your real mta is, and it forwards mail there... nothing else. |
| 01:22.37 | scarynetworkguy | michal, then remove it. I hear nothing depends on it anymore. I have not tried this myself so it might be wrong |
| 01:22.47 | deadcat | if i just want to view some java applets. do i only get the JRE? |
| 01:22.56 | michal | Guerin: no real MTA :P |
| 01:22.57 | Pit | Other than deliberate blocking, is there a likely cause for ntpdate failing with all servers? |
| 01:23.09 | michal | scarynetworkguy: i think that base depends on an MTA |
| 01:23.09 | Pit | 30 Jul 02:23:27 ntpdate[7538]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 01:23.11 | Guerin | michal: how do you intend to send and receive mail? |
| 01:23.12 | Pit | like that |
| 01:23.18 | Guerin | michal: no, it doesn't |
| 01:23.25 | michal | ahh |
| 01:23.31 | michal | at and mailx depend on it |
| 01:23.37 | michal | and i sort of need at |
| 01:23.38 | scarynetworkguy | michal last night someone told me they removed it and it did not break anything. Try it hell you can always abort |
| 01:23.39 | Guerin | michal: yeah, no shit |
| 01:24.16 | michal | ok.. let's try again.. smallest, lightest, fastest to start mta that only does local delivery |
| 01:24.18 | Guerin | I ran this box without an mta for months. I just used smtp/imap for all my mail needs; no problem. |
| 01:24.29 | LSorensen | michal: nullmailer or ssmtp, or heck exim configured to local mail only. |
| 01:24.36 | LSorensen | michal: no real reason exim can't be around |
| 01:24.52 | Guerin | michal: do you have chromey icons on your desktop? |
| 01:25.21 | michal | Guerin: i don't have a desktop on that machine |
| 01:25.23 | Guerin | Pit: is ntpd running? |
| 01:25.29 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, but their purdy |
| 01:25.29 | Nanobot2k | how do i make my machine |
| 01:25.31 | Nanobot2k | renew its ip? |
| 01:25.33 | scarynetworkguy | there |
| 01:25.45 | Nanobot2k | from the router, dhcp |
| 01:25.45 | scarynetworkguy | god i suck |
| 01:25.45 | LSorensen | Nanobot2k: depends how it got the ip in the first place |
| 01:25.48 | michal | LSorensen: exim can take a little while to start.. i want something that starts virtually instantly |
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| 01:25.59 | Guerin | michal: my point is that an mta donesn't take much on its own - it's only processing mail which causes them to eat ram/cpu |
| 01:26.01 | Nanobot2k | F~LSorensen: from a dhcp server |
| 01:26.02 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Uh-huh. |
| 01:26.03 | LSorensen | michal: it only takes time to start if it can't resolve the dns for the hostname |
| 01:26.11 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, for sure |
| 01:26.15 | thomas_adam | hehe. |
| 01:26.19 | asuffield | what the fuck? since when does exim not start instantly? |
| 01:26.20 | LSorensen | Nanobot2k: which dhcp client? pump, dhclient or dhcpcd? |
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| 01:26.27 | Nanobot2k | lemme check |
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| 01:26.31 | thomas_adam | asuffield: Since the moron maintainer changed it? |
| 01:26.38 | michal | well i want an mta that doesn't even try to resolve the hostname.. jsut uses localhost.. i don't care much about cpu or mem usage.. just start time |
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| 01:27.08 | Guerin | michal: so do exim4-config or wtf it is and choose "local only" |
| 01:27.13 | michal | scarynetworkguy: if i EVER have to boot then it's a problem |
| 01:27.18 | Guerin | !boot time |
| 01:27.19 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, boot time is grep btime /proc/stat |perl -ane 'print scalar localtime($F[1]);print "\n";' |
| 01:27.24 | Guerin | haha |
| 01:27.48 | asuffield | michal: if you can't resolve your own hostname then exim is the least of your worries. booting is going to be slow and breaking |
| 01:27.54 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, that is a good one |
| 01:28.16 | michal | that gives you time of boot.. not dduration |
| 01:28.17 | asuffield | just fix the damn box |
| 01:28.19 | Nanobot2k | F~LSorensen: im not sure..how can i just kill the inet daemon and make it reget info from dhcp server again, since the dhcp server changed |
| 01:28.38 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield, but band aids are fun |
| 01:28.40 | Guerin | michal: I know, I didn't know what the factoid was |
| 01:28.47 | michal | asufield: i intend on having a dynamic ip for the machine in the near future. don't know how that will affect things |
| 01:28.52 | asuffield | scarynetworkguy: applying them to your car is not useful |
| 01:28.53 | scarynetworkguy | Nanobot2k, ifdown eth0 then ifup eth0 |
| 01:28.59 | Pit | Guerin: Nope, ntpd isn't running and I don't think it's on my system at all |
| 01:29.00 | Nanobot2k | ok |
| 01:29.07 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield, that is what god gave us duct tape for. :) |
| 01:29.08 | Guerin | michal: it's all a dpkg-reconfigure away |
| 01:29.12 | Pit | But ntpdate worked previously :\ |
| 01:29.27 | michal | Guerin: no it's not.. i don't want to use dhcp |
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| 01:29.39 | michal | well i sort of do.. but not for the name resolution |
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| 01:29.47 | Guerin | michal: wtf does dhcp have to do with anything? |
| 01:29.50 | Cuga | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:29.53 | michal | i want to use zeroconf for that |
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| 01:30.02 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, it must be the firewall |
| 01:30.10 | asuffield | oh gee. this is one of those "I don't know how to configure my box, so I'm going to replace random packages" ones, isn't it? |
| 01:30.16 | cievo | all...do I have to restart ssh to make my /etc/hosts.* files reactive ?! |
| 01:30.25 | Guerin | cievo: no |
| 01:30.35 | michal | no.. i know what i want i just don't know if there are even packages that provide it |
| 01:30.52 | michal | there's howl but i'm not sure it does what i'm after |
| 01:31.04 | asuffield | cievo: however it won't hurt and would have taken less time than asking the question, so why did you? |
| 01:31.09 | michal | then therre's the apple rendezvous source.. but it's not packaged and i'd prefer to deal with debs |
| 01:31.28 | cievo | Guerin: thnkx ;) |
| 01:31.38 | LSorensen | michal: try: apt-get install mail-transport-agent, to get a list of available choices |
| 01:31.50 | cievo | asuffield : I did but I was just currious :) |
| 01:31.51 | michal | ahh.. good call |
| 01:32.06 | LSorensen | michal: then apt-cache show packagename for a description |
| 01:32.19 | grzesiek | and can anyone tell me how do I add new window manager to gdm (wm not from debs but source) just looking for a config of available WM? |
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| 01:32.41 | Guerin | grzesiek: /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, probably |
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| 01:32.53 | michal | my aim will be to use dhcp to assign an ip address and rendezvous to make the name resolvable on the network |
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| 01:33.16 | michal | so htpc or htpc.local will resolve from all rendezvous enabled machines on the network |
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| 01:33.30 | scarynetworkguy | asuffield, yup. it's the way of the world. Today I had a Cisco Consultant tell me "my troubleshooting skills are not that great" and he bills for several hundred dollars an hour to call tech support. Stupid people are taking over |
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| 01:33.54 | initech | cisco folks generally suck |
| 01:34.06 | scarynetworkguy | initech, true story |
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| 01:34.13 | initech | i've met very few who knew shit above layer 2 |
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| 01:34.31 | scarynetworkguy | initech, and even fewer who know anything but IP |
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| 01:34.58 | k-man | is there any known issues with samba and win2k sp4? |
| 01:35.07 | seph|roth | hi i downloaded a gtk theme tarball, untarred it, whats next? where do i have to put the files? |
| 01:35.53 | cievo | . |
| 01:36.01 | jivera | seph|roth: Are you using gnome? |
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| 01:36.12 | initech | scarynetworkguy: this is what you get with an industry being reliant on corporate certifications |
| 01:36.13 | seph|roth | jivera, no fluxbox |
| 01:36.21 | initech | scarynetworkguy: fucking idiots |
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| 01:36.38 | jivera | seph|roth: I think you put it in .gtk or something similar, but there's a package gtk-theme-switch you might want to look at. |
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| 01:36.41 | scarynetworkguy | initech, true very true |
| 01:37.01 | seph|roth | jivera, ill check this |
| 01:37.04 | seph|roth | thx |
| 01:37.16 | jivera | No problem. |
| 01:37.31 | Cuga | scarynetworkguy: you sound like a networky kinda guy :), can you help with my problem, need to make my firewall resolve a URL to an internal ip when it goes thru it... how would i go bout doing that? |
| 01:37.59 | initech | Cuga: you want to forward a port? |
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| 01:38.06 | lucas | Cuga: you want dnat |
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| 01:38.22 | The_Vulture | Guerin: I'd use dnsmasq |
| 01:38.24 | Guerin | seph|roth: it came with instructions. Use them. You may have to compile it. |
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| 01:38.31 | The_Vulture | s/ Guerin/ Cuga/ |
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| 01:38.37 | jivera | seph|roth: Untar them in ~/.themes/ |
| 01:38.48 | seph|roth | jivera, ok thx |
| 01:38.57 | scarynetworkguy | cuga just nat it through, assuming that your firewall's extenal interface resolves to the URL, if not you may have to add a secondary IP and/or Proxy ARP it. |
| 01:39.17 | jivera | And if they're gtk-2.0 themes you should see something like ~/.themes/$theme_name/gtk-2.0/ |
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| 01:39.34 | jivera | (I'd presume gtk-1.x themes are similar, along with others.) |
| 01:39.51 | Cuga | initech: no this is my setup, inet -> firewall -> internal network... my firewall does not alow me to reach any of my internal network computers via my external IP (spoof protection), they are only reachable thru internal ip (even with ports being forwarded to them on it), problem is i host phpbb that hardcodes external address when you submit to it, so works for everbody else but me.. and im hosting it lol |
| 01:40.16 | safrican | how can i get the IO, IRQ, DMA from isapnp.conf ? i see a lot of those things in the isapnp.conf file |
| 01:40.37 | LSorensen | safrican: isapnp.conf doesn't tell you, you tell it |
| 01:40.52 | Cuga | make sense ? |
| 01:41.18 | scarynetworkguy | Cuga, this is a classic example of blaming the poor firewall for what is not it's fault. phpbb, whatever that is, is broke fix it and leave your firewall alone to do it's job. |
| 01:41.32 | initech | Cuga: you can't get to phpbb from inside then? this is the problem? |
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| 01:41.46 | safrican | LSorensen: i did the pnpdump -c thing > isapnp.conf and both my cards are listed but how can i determine which is the correct IO, IRQ, and DMA |
| 01:41.55 | exobyte | anyone know how a tyan S2462 compares to a tyan S2469? I think the former was discontinued. Maybe someone knows the real difference |
| 01:41.59 | LSorensen | safrican: whichever is not commented out is the active |
| 01:41.59 | initech | Cuga: sounds like a www server issue to me |
| 01:42.14 | Cuga | initech: i can get to it, but the way its programmed is whenevery you submit from the phpform, it hasto send it to the external URL... which from behind my firewall, wont let me do anything, drops the packets assuming its spoofed |
| 01:42.17 | Xenguy | ;-) |
| 01:42.30 | exobyte | Xenguy: hater |
| 01:42.37 | Xenguy | exobyte: gah |
| 01:42.43 | LSorensen | Cuga: a properly configured port forward can deal with it, but it takes some work to configure |
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| 01:43.16 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy, networks run on dark energy. Net adimns are kind of like Sith |
| 01:43.20 | safrican | LSorensen: Problem is i don't see any that are not commented. :-/ |
| 01:43.23 | LSorensen | Cuga: you have to translate the source address to the ip of the sender to the internal ip of the firewall for any request from local machines to the port forward |
| 01:43.28 | Xenguy | scarynetworkguy: it's the daemons ;-) |
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| 01:43.35 | Xenguy | black majik |
| 01:43.36 | Cuga | it works fine externally, its when im inside since any packet comming from inside networking, going outside and back in... gets dropped |
| 01:43.37 | LSorensen | safrican: don't know then |
| 01:43.40 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy, damn straight |
| 01:43.42 | Cuga | its how the firewall is programmed to work |
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| 01:44.07 | scarynetworkguy | Cuga, which is what it should do the app is broken |
| 01:44.12 | initech | Cuga: it should be translated in and out, no prob ... what are the rules you're using to forward? |
| 01:44.14 | The_Vulture | Cuga: does it hardcode the IP or just the domain name? |
| 01:44.19 | Guerin | hahahaah |
| 01:44.25 | LSorensen | initech: the app is NOT broken. the firewall setup is wrong |
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| 01:44.33 | initech | LSorensen: yes i agree |
| 01:44.34 | LSorensen | initech: the app does the only thing it can do |
| 01:44.37 | Cuga | LSorensen: its Smoothwall |
| 01:44.46 | Guerin | our stupid rabbit just hopped into a bucket of hot soapy water with which my wife was cleaning the floor |
| 01:44.55 | Cuga | LSorensen: with the correct ports forwarded |
| 01:45.00 | LSorensen | Cuga: well either it isn't good enough to deal with internal requests to the port forward, or you didn't ask it to |
| 01:45.02 | seph|roth | i installed gtk theme Leech. nothing happened, its still the default grey windows... |
| 01:45.02 | The_Vulture | Cuga: does the app hardcode the external IP, or just the domain name? |
| 01:45.18 | Guerin | seph|roth: did you follow the instructions? |
| 01:45.20 | scarynetworkguy | LSorensen, the anti-spoofing stuff that he has described is industry standard |
| 01:45.20 | Cuga | The_Vulture: hardcodes live URL |
| 01:45.31 | The_Vulture | Cuga: that doesn't answer my question |
| 01:45.38 | seph|roth | Guerin: there are no instructions |
| 01:45.44 | The_Vulture | a URL can contain IPs or domain names.. |
| 01:45.49 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, classic |
| 01:45.55 | seph|roth | only a readme with developers email adress |
| 01:45.56 | Cuga | so i get to it via ip; it works fine untill i acktually 'submit' anything, then the app tries to send to URL instead of the ip i got to it in the first place |
| 01:46.07 | Guerin | seph|roth: None? Not on the site you downloaded it from? Not generic instructions for installing a new gtk theme? I think you lie! |
| 01:46.14 | Cuga | The_Vulture: Domain |
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| 01:46.30 | seph|roth | not in the tarball Guerin |
| 01:46.32 | The_Vulture | Cuga: ok, what solution are you using for DNS within your network? |
| 01:46.41 | Guerin | seph|roth: so check the damn site |
| 01:46.44 | seph|roth | i forgot the page i dl it from |
| 01:46.46 | seph|roth | lol |
| 01:46.51 | Cuga | using my ISP's |
| 01:46.55 | Guerin | seph|roth: google is your friend |
| 01:46.58 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, send the bunny after him |
| 01:46.59 | safrican | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.00 | seph|roth | heh |
| 01:47.02 | LSorensen | Cuga: when an internal machine requests the forwarded port, you get connection from internal machine X to external ip Y, the firewall translates that to a request from internal X to internal Z, so Z thinks the response is local and send it directly back to X who doesn't think it was talking to Z, but to Y. If Y instead translates the request from X to Y to a request from X to Z AND translates the source from X to Yinternal, then Z sees request f |
| 01:47.09 | seph|roth | google is my enemy |
| 01:47.16 | t-jack | Koreans make the wierdest cartoons... |
| 01:47.24 | Guerin | t-jack: no shit. |
| 01:47.24 | xam | Cuga: obviously you are using (wrong) proxy settings |
| 01:47.27 | fooz | safrican, no, the base is 0x800 |
| 01:47.33 | fooz | safrican, it means it's the first IO port the card reported |
| 01:47.43 | t-jack | Guerin: Chrono-Trigger, eg |
| 01:47.50 | The_Vulture | Cuga: um.. you have an internal network, presumably getting it's config through DHCP, are you just sending out the DNS servers your IP gives you to the internal clients? |
| 01:47.58 | safrican | fooz: cool.. thanks |
| 01:48.03 | Guerin | t-jack: yu-gi-oh is sheer madness, too. |
| 01:48.19 | xam | Cuga: clients only send a URL (instead of making a connection themselves), if they are configured to use a proxy ... |
| 01:48.24 | Cuga | The_Vulture: yes, all there is on the firewall is a DNS proxy using my ISP's DNS servers |
| 01:48.43 | LSorensen | Cuga: the cheating method is to have the name of the external ip, set in the local hosts file to point to the internal ip it forwards to |
| 01:48.45 | The_Vulture | Cuga: which dns proxy? |
| 01:48.53 | The_Vulture | dnsmasq ? |
| 01:49.02 | LSorensen | Cuga: much simpler for local work that way |
| 01:49.02 | meskes | ok, ALSA is doing something weird...I have the right driver, it even comes up in dmsg and all that, I have the channel unmuted and all that jive, however, Gnome still doesnt see it...and I cant find the Debian docs, would anyone know how I could either fix this or point me in the right direction for the ALSA docs? |
| 01:49.04 | scarynetworkguy | LSorensen, nice work around |
| 01:49.04 | The_Vulture | LSorensen: indeed, which is what I'm getting to |
| 01:49.20 | The_Vulture | I just need to find out how internal clients are resolving names |
| 01:49.38 | LSorensen | The_Vulture: yeah but each machine that cares can have it's own hosts entry for that one service |
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| 01:49.49 | The_Vulture | LSorensen: yeah, but that's a bit nasty |
| 01:49.57 | Cuga | The_Vulture: I have already put an entry in the firewall's /etc/hosts in an effort to accomplish this but i didnt' work, i should put that entry in my clients aswell? |
| 01:50.04 | LSorensen | The_Vulture: so it messing with double address translation rules :) |
| 01:50.04 | scarynetworkguy | The_Vulture, it does not matter the machine checks it's host file before DNS |
| 01:50.04 | The_Vulture | he's already got a dns proxy, it's just a matter of how it works |
| 01:50.12 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: :( |
| 01:50.18 | LSorensen | scarynetworkguy: it does if nsswitch.conf says so |
| 01:50.28 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, what? |
| 01:50.28 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy: yeah, but it's nasty in that you have to modify the clients |
| 01:50.35 | thomas_adam | grep btime /proc/stat |perl -ane 'print scalar localtime($F[1]);print |
| 01:50.36 | scarynetworkguy | LSorensen, by default it should |
| 01:50.39 | LSorensen | scarynetworkguy: yes |
| 01:50.43 | The_Vulture | Cuga: what kind of 'dns proxy' are you using? |
| 01:50.50 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: * | scarynetworkguy gives LSorensen a "Good Eats" brownie |
| 01:50.53 | The_Vulture | Cuga: dnsmasq would do this just fine |
| 01:50.58 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, so? |
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| 01:51.08 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Don't I get one? |
| 01:51.24 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, sure. |
| 01:51.27 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 01:51.31 | Guerin | !cookie thomas_adam |
| 01:51.33 | dpkg | Hey guerin, tomback is welcome back thomas_adam. How are you? |
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| 01:51.49 | Guerin | hrm |
| 01:51.54 | Guerin | that was weird |
| 01:52.00 | thomas_adam | !tomback |
| 01:52.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, tomback is welcome back thomas_adam. How are you? |
| 01:52.05 | Guerin | I keep forgetting that !cookie is a builtin |
| 01:52.10 | Cuga | The_Vulture: one sec, im checking what proxy it is, smoothwall is just setup thru a webinterface.. doesn't show u inner workings, im looking thru now |
| 01:52.16 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, I've seen that a couple of times today |
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| 01:52.47 | scarynetworkguy | !qotd11 |
| 01:52.47 | dpkg | <scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good |
| 01:52.53 | scarynetworkguy | yea he is still here |
| 01:52.55 | cievo | all...Presario processors are mobile ? |
| 01:53.04 | The_Vulture | Cuga: when you changed the hosts file, how did you test that the dns proxy was handing out the internal IP for that name? |
| 01:53.06 | LSorensen | Cuga: I have had good luck with shorewall. manual config for the most part (unless you think webmin is a good thing) |
| 01:53.13 | Guerin | cievo: a presario is a computer, not a processor |
| 01:53.14 | LSorensen | cievo: huh? |
| 01:53.21 | cievo | haha :) |
| 01:53.24 | Guerin | cievo: go to compaq.com and rtfs |
| 01:53.26 | The_Vulture | if you tested it from a computer that was already up it might not have queried the DNS proxy at all |
| 01:53.29 | initech | cievo: yes, I have a few floating around ... |
| 01:53.36 | The_Vulture | just used its local cache |
| 01:53.47 | LSorensen | Guerin: many compaq laptops use desktop CPUs in them unfortunately (for your battery at least) |
| 01:53.54 | cievo | initech : :) |
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| 01:54.03 | LSorensen | er cievo |
| 01:54.05 | cievo | Guerin ;) |
| 01:54.05 | Cuga | The_Vulture: after i added the entry to the /etc/hosts or the firewall, i restarted the network and just tryed browsing to the external URL see if it would redirect to internal ip i specified.. just got dropped again |
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| 01:54.07 | Guerin | LSorensen: yeah, I know. Cheap bastards :) |
| 01:54.27 | The_Vulture | Cuga: 'restarted the network' what do you mean by that? |
| 01:54.37 | The_Vulture | did you restart the computer you browsed from? |
| 01:55.16 | Cuga | The_Vulture: 'restarted the network' = run my network restart scripts, downs all the adapteres, and brings them back up with all the rules and such |
| 01:55.29 | Cuga | The_Vulture: no i did not restart the client machine i was testing with |
| 01:55.39 | The_Vulture | Cuga: then you didn't test too well |
| 01:55.42 | Cuga | The_Vulture: since i made the change on the firewall, i didnt think i'd have too |
| 01:55.54 | LSorensen | cuL you add it to the client, not the server and not the firewall. |
| 01:55.57 | LSorensen | er Cuga |
| 01:55.58 | The_Vulture | Cuga: the client probably cached the DNS entry |
| 01:56.02 | The_Vulture | LSorensen: no no |
| 01:56.06 | The_Vulture | be quiet a moment |
| 01:56.33 | The_Vulture | Cuga: the client probably never queried the dns proxy because it had already done so once and could cache the entry |
| 01:56.38 | Cuga | The_Vulture: can't i clear my cached DNS entries then, i find it hard to beleive i'd have to bounce the box to flush em |
| 01:56.50 | The_Vulture | Cuga: there's probably some way, yes |
| 01:56.53 | LSorensen | The_Vulture: cached in what? the browser? nscd? another dns proxy? |
| 01:56.59 | The_Vulture | my point is that the test was insufficient |
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| 01:57.07 | The_Vulture | (probably insufficient) |
| 01:57.20 | Cuga | The_Vulture: i cleared all my browsercache |
| 01:57.33 | The_Vulture | LSorensen: I hope there's not another dns involved, but other things might have, sure |
| 01:57.40 | Cuga | so its not at that lvl, if anything, you'd be right and it be DNS cacheing |
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| 01:57.58 | The_Vulture | Cuga: that I really doubt that's sufficient either |
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| 01:58.05 | The_Vulture | no it's not the DNS server itseld |
| 01:58.11 | The_Vulture | what's the client you are using? |
| 01:58.14 | The_Vulture | (what OS) |
| 01:58.19 | Cuga | Debian |
| 01:58.27 | fred | ;-) |
| 01:58.34 | The_Vulture | so use 'host' to try to resolve the domain from it |
| 01:58.47 | LSorensen | Cuga: what does ping externalhostname say the ip is from the client machine? |
| 01:59.01 | LSorensen | The_Vulture: host bypasses /etc/hosts and uses only dns info |
| 01:59.10 | LSorensen | The_Vulture: not an accurate test |
| 01:59.18 | The_Vulture | LSorensen: I'm talking about the client |
| 01:59.23 | Cuga | when i host domainname it gives me the correct ip addy |
| 01:59.27 | The_Vulture | the clients /etc/hosts is not important |
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| 01:59.33 | LSorensen | The_Vulture: oh ok then |
| 01:59.39 | The_Vulture | he modified /etc/hosts on the gateway |
| 02:00.02 | The_Vulture | Cuga: the internal addy, and this is from the non gateway box? |
| 02:00.16 | Cuga | The_Vulture: no it reports back the external addy |
| 02:00.30 | Cuga | The_Vulture: what i need it to return is the internal addy |
| 02:00.37 | The_Vulture | yes, I know that |
| 02:00.38 | Cuga | so that my app will work |
| 02:00.44 | Cuga | just clarifying :) |
| 02:00.51 | humbolt | Got some more or less off topic question: What can I take for setting up an apache with php and userdirs, an ftp server and securing the machine with a firewall? |
| 02:01.07 | The_Vulture | and you have an entry in the gateways /etc/hosts that has the domain name mapping to the internal IP? |
| 02:01.17 | Cuga | The_Vulture: correct |
| 02:01.50 | The_Vulture | using 'host' on the gateway itself, does it return the internal of external IP? |
| 02:01.58 | Cuga | The_Vulture: internal |
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| 02:02.25 | safrican | DMA, i count the Channel Number right ? (for sound card configuration) |
| 02:02.41 | The_Vulture | ok, then I'll continue to assume the non gateway box is still caching in some way, I don't know that much about the applications involved to know how to flush it out |
| 02:02.41 | Guerin | humbolt: take one copy of the apache manual, one copy of the proftpd manual, one copy of the iptables manual, and don't call me in the morning. |
| 02:02.41 | Cuga | The_Vulture: sorry ping gives me internal, i dont have host installed on the gateway, would it be same result? |
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| 02:03.03 | The_Vulture | Cuga: not absolutely |
| 02:03.09 | scarynetworkguy | Cuga, how many machines are on your network? |
| 02:03.11 | The_Vulture | but nevermind, that'll do for the moment |
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| 02:03.31 | Cuga | scarynetworkguy: the only one that would require this change would be the machine im on now that i do my work on |
| 02:03.37 | The_Vulture | indeed, pick another one that hasn't tried to resolve the name ever |
| 02:03.50 | scarynetworkguy | Cuga, then just change the freaking hosts file and be done with it. |
| 02:04.00 | Cuba | Cuga, similar nickname =) |
| 02:04.00 | The_Vulture | or that |
| 02:04.05 | Cuga | scarynetworkguy: but i would like to know how to properly do it, its good information to know |
| 02:04.10 | The_Vulture | I like being tneat |
| 02:04.18 | The_Vulture | s/tn/n/ |
| 02:04.20 | humbolt | Guerin: I am talking about money not manuals. I know how to set the stuff up, but I don't know what it is worth in money! |
| 02:04.34 | Cuga | Cuba... im gonna sue you for my IP |
| 02:04.38 | Cuga | Cuba :) |
| 02:04.38 | Guerin | humbolt: ah, what can you charge? Hell if I know. |
| 02:04.47 | Cuba | huh :) |
| 02:04.53 | Guerin | humbolt: several hundy an hour? |
| 02:04.55 | scarynetworkguy | Cuga, *proper* depneds on the situation. What you have going on now is overkill |
| 02:05.02 | The_Vulture | Cuga: so go to one of the many computers that has never resolved the name, and see how it resolves it.. |
| 02:05.06 | humbolt | really? |
| 02:05.12 | Cuga | ok i'll test on another client, one sec |
| 02:05.13 | Guerin | humbolt: I havre no idea. |
| 02:05.24 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy is right, but I understand where you're coming from |
| 02:05.29 | humbolt | what does a fucking iis cost? |
| 02:05.42 | cievo | humbolt : fuck iis |
| 02:05.45 | Guerin | humbolt: comes free with windows |
| 02:05.55 | humbolt | Is iss actually restricted concerning the number of domains? |
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| 02:06.01 | fooz | free as in slavery |
| 02:06.08 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, and is not worth the price. :) |
| 02:06.09 | humbolt | yes, but what does win2003 cost? |
| 02:06.09 | cievo | fooz : :-D |
| 02:06.14 | The_Vulture | humbolt: that seems rather off topic |
| 02:06.14 | Guerin | fooz: yeah. |
| 02:06.21 | fooz | humbolt, microsoft sent me win2k3 for free |
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| 02:06.27 | fooz | hehe |
| 02:06.31 | cievo | !wtfswk humolt |
| 02:06.32 | Cuga | The_Vulture: good test... new client resolved it fine.. so it must be my dns cache on this machine |
| 02:06.37 | The_Vulture | fooz: well it was actually 'freedom is slavery' |
| 02:06.38 | scarynetworkguy | fooz, and it still was not worth the price |
| 02:06.39 | Guerin | htfswk |
| 02:06.50 | cievo | fooz : hehe :) because of your smile ? :) |
| 02:06.55 | The_Vulture | Cuga: indeed, there's probably some way to flush it, I don't know how |
| 02:07.07 | fooz | The_Vulture, no really? heh |
| 02:07.17 | The_Vulture | fooz: really really ;) |
| 02:07.41 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy: any ideas how to flush a (or all) local cached DNS entry? |
| 02:07.49 | mick_laptop | hey everyone, turn on your TV sets. Democratic convention is on |
| 02:08.00 | thomas_adam | mick_laptop: Propoganda. |
| 02:08.06 | The_Vulture | mick_laptop: um.. what channel, and what nation? and why do I care.. |
| 02:08.12 | fooz | if you're into MS stuff for whatever reason (knowing your enemy and interoperability are good ones), they do have a sort of "small business" reseller kit that gives you a copy of EVERYTHING they sell for somewhere under $200 |
| 02:08.17 | cievo | mick_laptop : screw 'em all |
| 02:08.19 | thomas_adam | mick_laptop: Oh, it isn't on *my* TV. |
| 02:08.19 | scarynetworkguy | The_Vulture, normally a good ifdown ifup should do it |
| 02:08.21 | mick_laptop | its not propoganda |
| 02:08.29 | mick_laptop | its "the other side" |
| 02:08.30 | thomas_adam | 1. I don't own a TV, and 2. I'm not in America. |
| 02:08.33 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, and not very good propoganda at that |
| 02:08.34 | mick_laptop | ok |
| 02:08.43 | mick_laptop | thats fine |
| 02:08.45 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy: sounds abuot right |
| 02:08.46 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: No? |
| 02:08.46 | humbolt | Well this is off topic, I confess, but I am lost and do not know who else to ask! |
| 02:08.52 | The_Vulture | Cuga: hear that? |
| 02:08.56 | Cuga | im gonna try up down my NIC like scarynetworkguy suggested |
| 02:09.01 | The_Vulture | indeed |
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| 02:09.11 | mick_laptop | cievo: if you don't vote, don't complain |
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| 02:09.13 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, boring shit. |
| 02:09.20 | Cuga | The_Vulture: Thanks for all you're help, you too scarynetworkguy |
| 02:09.34 | cievo | mick_laptop : do you think everyone here is just american ?! |
| 02:09.47 | thomas_adam | heh. |
| 02:10.01 | thomas_adam | mick_laptop: You need to learn that there are *other* countries. |
| 02:10.02 | mick_laptop | no, i just want to remind americans though |
| 02:10.13 | cievo | thomas_adam : thnkx :) |
| 02:10.22 | mick_laptop | thomas_adam: you fucking prick - i'm not from USA myself - stop assuming |
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| 02:10.33 | thomas_adam | That's not nice... |
| 02:10.40 | mick_laptop | sorry |
| 02:10.42 | mwilson | mick_laptop: Where do you get off thinking we need to get reminded of anything? |
| 02:10.46 | cievo | all...is centrino mobile or regular ? |
| 02:10.46 | Guerin | rrrowwwr |
| 02:10.56 | Guerin | someone didn't take their happy pills this morning |
| 02:11.00 | LSorensen | cievo: it's a chipset |
| 02:11.00 | mick_laptop | nevermind... forget i said anything |
| 02:11.10 | Guerin | !googlesmite cievo |
| 02:11.11 | LSorensen | cievo: generally meant for mobile use. |
| 02:11.22 | cievo | LSorensen : thnk :) |
| 02:11.28 | scarynetworkguy | as an American I would like to say "I'm sorry mick_laptop is an idiot" |
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| 02:11.44 | LSorensen | cievo: i think centrino tends to run with Pentium-M processors |
| 02:12.02 | cievo | LSorensen : that's what I thought :) thank you |
| 02:12.03 | safrican | i am following the dpkg instructions to isapnp sound.. i did: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp and it's like a siren in my house |
| 02:12.04 | mick_laptop | scarynetworkguy: thats quite the statement coming from someone who doesn't know me |
| 02:12.06 | safrican | :_/ |
| 02:12.07 | safrican | is that normal ? |
| 02:12.21 | Guerin | !4080 |
| 02:12.24 | mick_laptop | safrican: yes |
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| 02:12.30 | thomas_adam | safrican: hahaha. :) |
| 02:12.36 | scarynetworkguy | safrican, yes people really need to stop with that joke |
| 02:12.42 | Guerin | !#4080 |
| 02:12.42 | dpkg | internet excuse #4080: "you don't know me" |
| 02:12.43 | iratsu | how does one install a .deb? |
| 02:12.44 | scarynetworkguy | but it is pretty damn funny |
| 02:12.45 | mick_laptop | debian: it does |
| 02:12.49 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy: I think it's cute :) |
| 02:12.51 | LSorensen | iratsu: dpkg -i file.deb usually |
| 02:12.55 | Guerin | iratsu: with dpkg -i, of course |
| 02:12.58 | iratsu | thanks |
| 02:12.58 | Tezkah | iratsu: dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb |
| 02:13.00 | safrican | scarynetworkguy: :-/ it is not a joke. :P |
| 02:13.02 | LSorensen | iratsu: assuming it doesn't have other dependancies |
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| 02:13.11 | Tezkah | this CRT suuucks |
| 02:13.19 | The_Vulture | safrican: it is a quick way to test there is sound, but think about what you are doing |
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| 02:13.28 | Tezkah | and theres no setting to change brightness! |
| 02:13.30 | cievo | Tezkah : what does IT suck on ? ;P |
| 02:13.34 | safrican | The_Vulture: huh? |
| 02:13.47 | scarynetworkguy | safrican, no telling people to cat /dev/urandom to dsp. It is a joke. I know you were not joking |
| 02:13.47 | The_Vulture | safrican: what? |
| 02:14.02 | mick_laptop | for people (on either side of the fence) www.jibjab.com |
| 02:14.06 | mick_laptop | its funny as hell :) |
| 02:14.07 | Tezkah | ok, maybe too bright |
| 02:14.09 | Tezkah | my eyes hurt |
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| 02:14.20 | safrican | scarynetworkguy: so how long should I wait ? or should i just ^C it ? |
| 02:14.20 | safrican | :-/ |
| 02:14.29 | The_Vulture | safrican: you shouldn't wait.. |
| 02:14.30 | thomas_adam | safrican: ^C it. |
| 02:14.32 | scarynetworkguy | safrican, you still have not killed it?!? |
| 02:14.36 | safrican | i did |
| 02:14.36 | Guerin | safrican: you need to load-test your sound card |
| 02:14.45 | skitzomike | ok so i have x windows workin with the nvidia drivers why is it that when i play a video it looks extremely sluggish or goofy looking ? |
| 02:14.47 | Guerin | safrican: leave it goingat full volume for at least an hour |
| 02:14.53 | debian | mick_laptop: you love politics it sees |
| 02:14.55 | debian | seems |
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| 02:14.55 | thomas_adam | ls $HOME > /dev/dsp would be more efficient. |
| 02:14.56 | safrican | Guerin: I've done this before on Slackware |
| 02:15.00 | Guerin | safrican: otherwise you don't know how much your soundcars can handle |
| 02:15.01 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, you are a cruel bastard :) |
| 02:15.13 | safrican | i'm not stupid |
| 02:15.15 | Guerin | safrican: :P |
| 02:15.19 | thomas_adam | safrican: Umm, well... |
| 02:15.26 | The_Vulture | thomas_adam: might not be long enough for a test, depending on how neat you are ;) |
| 02:15.30 | safrican | my problem is.. it works when i do that.. but umm.. it doesn't when i want real sound |
| 02:15.32 | scarynetworkguy | safrican, not really |
| 02:15.38 | g1powermac_ | Hi all |
| 02:15.39 | The_Vulture | safrican: define 'real sound' |
| 02:15.43 | thomas_adam | The_Vulture: True, but my $HOME is a messy place. ;) |
| 02:15.53 | mick_laptop | debian: this is the fist time that i'm confused... do i watch MTV (true life) or the democratic convention :/ |
| 02:15.54 | safrican | The_Vulture: like on a website |
| 02:16.01 | dan2 | thomas_adam: yo |
| 02:16.02 | The_Vulture | mine's not as neat as I'd like it, but neater than most I suspect |
| 02:16.03 | cievo | thomas_adam is your $HOME -> /tmp ? :) |
| 02:16.06 | Guerin | safrican: not as stupid as the guy who kept asking about the secret gnu command switches to hello which I said would make him l33t |
| 02:16.07 | thomas_adam | dan2: Hello. |
| 02:16.13 | thomas_adam | cievo: Almost. ;) |
| 02:16.16 | The_Vulture | safrican: tried something simpler like mpg321? |
| 02:16.20 | debian | mick_laptop: just hang around here. :) |
| 02:16.29 | cievo | thomas_adam : hhe ;) |
| 02:16.29 | Tezkah | there should be an uneject command... :( |
| 02:16.32 | safrican | The_Vulture: uh.. no :-/ |
| 02:16.36 | g1powermac_ | anyone have any information on this super-secret debian derivative found at: http://www.no-name-yet.com/ ? |
| 02:16.42 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, how long did you keep him on the line? |
| 02:16.44 | The_Vulture | safrican: small steps.. |
| 02:16.50 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: My VFS sucks, but from a living standpoint, my bricks and mortar home is neat - after my housemates tidy. ;) |
| 02:16.52 | Guerin | Tezkah: eject -d, I think |
| 02:17.03 | The_Vulture | I have 19 items in $HOME |
| 02:17.24 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: well, 10 minutes or so, then I told him to go google... and he came bacj a few days later asking about it again |
| 02:17.25 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, very good. I need to find someone to clean my house |
| 02:17.35 | thomas_adam | [n6tadam@station n6tadam]$ ls -1 | wc -l |
| 02:17.35 | thomas_adam | 145 |
| 02:17.38 | dondelelcaro | g1powermac_: there are dozens of debian derivatives out there... that one looks like it hasn't even gotten off the ground yet. |
| 02:17.39 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, oh god I'm sorry I missed that one |
| 02:17.51 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: I told him the reason nobody would tell him about them is because they were SECRET, and one had to find them out for oneself |
| 02:18.00 | Tezkah | Guerin: thanks, close, it was -t, but the man page set me straight |
| 02:18.04 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, classic |
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| 02:18.10 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: There's this girl at safeways that might.... |
| 02:18.12 | Guerin | Tezkah: ah, ok. |
| 02:18.16 | grzesiek | hey |
| 02:18.19 | g1powermac_ | dondelelcaro: yea, read the story about it though at: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/07/msg01659.html |
| 02:18.20 | ^viper | Guerin :D! |
| 02:18.26 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, maybe. I'll have to make it over there tomorrow |
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| 02:18.32 | ^viper | my debian install is unpacking a whole lot of stuff now ;o |
| 02:18.35 | grzesiek | anyone have a idea how to add window manager to gdm menu? |
| 02:18.36 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: :) Go for it. |
| 02:18.53 | ^viper | im gonna go walk the dog |
| 02:18.53 | ^viper | bbl |
| 02:18.58 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, I should I really should. Today I got stuck on the phone |
| 02:19.00 | Guerin | then there;s the time I told my younger sister (when she was 14 or so) that if you put stuff in the microwave on "low" it would get colder... |
| 02:19.05 | Tezkah | ^viper is a professional yoyo artist? |
| 02:19.09 | Guerin | ... she melted a whole block of butter that way. |
| 02:19.14 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, very cool |
| 02:19.24 | Tezkah | heheheh |
| 02:19.30 | Guerin | ^viper: "walk the dog", you say. Hrmmm.... |
| 02:19.30 | Tezkah | I put metal in the microwave once... |
| 02:19.34 | Tezkah | never again... |
| 02:19.35 | thomas_adam | Guerin: hahahhaa. |
| 02:19.38 | Guerin | Tezkah: BAD. |
| 02:19.48 | Tezkah | started my twist tie on fire and my pastry got burnt |
| 02:19.49 | Tezkah | it sucked |
| 02:19.58 | safrican | The_Vulture: Is there a *.au or *.wav file anywhere on the system ? :-/ |
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| 02:20.03 | Guerin | on my last day at high school, a few of us trashed the common room |
| 02:20.05 | The_Vulture | Tezkah: and you learnt not to put metal stuff in there? |
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| 02:20.10 | dondelelcaro | g1powermac_: oh, that one... had forgotten the domain name... yeah, matt zimerman was working on it... not sure what's going on with it yet, and haven't talked to him recently |
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| 02:20.19 | Tezkah | The_Vulture: yeah, I knew that, but I didn't see the twist tie on there |
| 02:20.20 | The_Vulture | safrican: probably.. not sure what the simplest app for that kind of thing would be |
| 02:20.24 | g1powermac_ | dondelelcaro: I'm really curios as to the details of this thing, since there is a possibility of the debian derivative I use (won't disclose name yet) might join forces with it |
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| 02:20.32 | Tezkah | twist tie > metal > FIRE |
| 02:20.34 | Guerin | I put a potato, an onion, some cheese, a bottle of tomato sauce and a bottle of diswashing detergent in the microwave for 99:99 |
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| 02:20.45 | ^viper | Guerin: taking the dog for a walk to the park :D |
| 02:20.46 | ^viper | bbl |
| 02:20.53 | Guerin | ^viper: so you SAY. |
| 02:20.56 | The_Vulture | g1powermac_: we really don't care _which_ derivative you use, if it isn't debian, it isn't debian |
| 02:21.01 | ^viper | yeh, bye ;p |
| 02:21.03 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, so how did that work out? |
| 02:21.11 | dondelelcaro | g1powermac_: well, assuming your derivative is contributing changes back upstream, then it's already joining forces with it... |
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| 02:21.20 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: they never did work it out, as far as I know... |
| 02:21.38 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, excellent |
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| 02:22.21 | g1powermac_ | dondelelcaro: well, not in that sense, the original writer of my distro (in which I develop for also) might be hired by the new company |
| 02:22.29 | cievo | I love to use rm *~ after I'm done with Joe but last time I did rm /etc/* I started to be carreful :) |
| 02:22.44 | Xenguy | cievo: heh |
| 02:22.52 | dondelelcaro | g1powermac_: ah. yeah, that happens... *shrug* |
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| 02:22.59 | Xenguy | those pesky backup files |
| 02:23.05 | cievo | It was funny cuz when I wanted to run anythign it asked me for /etc/passwd :P |
| 02:23.05 | thomas_adam | Grr, that American propoganda shit is on BBC Radio4 ! The ex-patriots. |
| 02:23.09 | Guerin | cievo: just make a cron which cleans them all out at 06:25 every day |
| 02:23.13 | dondelelcaro | g1powermac_: since they haven't really released their business plan, you'll probably have to talk to one of the principles... |
| 02:23.18 | cievo | Xenguy : i had backup though :) |
| 02:23.32 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, trust America America is your friend |
| 02:23.38 | g1powermac_ | dondelelcaro: yea, prolly, I was just wondering if anyone has any more info on it |
| 02:23.38 | cievo | Guerin: good idea...find and then run rm over 'em |
| 02:23.51 | Xenguy | cievo: lucky for you - I know another pal who's a Joe fan -- he did exactly the same thing (1 typo -- oops ;-) |
| 02:23.51 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Only so long as Blair remains up Bush. |
| 02:24.07 | dondelelcaro | g1powermac_: you can try asking in #debian-devel... someone in there might know more |
| 02:24.11 | safrican | how can i unload a module? |
| 02:24.14 | yxa2 | hi i'm using sarge. how do I get a pack in experimental? |
| 02:24.14 | safrican | without using rmmod |
| 02:24.22 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, yuch |
| 02:24.22 | Guerin | "Kinky Sex Makes The World Go Round" never made more sense than it does now. |
| 02:24.26 | dondelelcaro | g1powermac_: mdz is eveen there, and alive... |
| 02:24.27 | hax | what do i do if i fscked up a console? can i reset it somehow? |
| 02:24.31 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, true very true but yuch |
| 02:24.32 | hax | (without rebooting) |
| 02:24.36 | cievo | Xenguy : haha :) but the worst thuing was that I did it on our peak hour at work :-D |
| 02:24.36 | g1powermac_ | dondelelcaro: ok, I'll take a look |
| 02:24.42 | safrican | hax: is your font messed up ? |
| 02:24.49 | hax | safrican: you know it |
| 02:24.50 | safrican | like all squares and gibberish ? |
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| 02:24.55 | Xenguy | cievo: well that's *always* when it happens -- eh? ;P |
| 02:24.58 | rich_ | Oh I think the connection between america and the uk goes a little deeper than bush |
| 02:25.10 | hax | safrican: thats how it is, yeah |
| 02:25.12 | safrican | hax: run `setfont` or `consolechars` (setfont preferred) |
| 02:25.25 | Guerin | yxa2: why do you want to? If you can't figure it out yourself, you ain't read for experimental. |
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| 02:25.29 | cievo | Xenguy : i was working like black slave over my keyboard to make it looks like everything is Ok :) |
| 02:25.42 | Xenguy | cievo: yeh, no panic ;-) |
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| 02:26.02 | cievo | Xenguy : it was root panic ;-D |
| 02:26.17 | hax | safrican: that doesnt seem to do much of anything |
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| 02:26.32 | safrican | hax.. hmm.. :-/ |
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| 02:26.36 | cievo | all...My boss is running SCSI RAID 0 on server adn there is only samba that shares 60 MB files total...do you think that he needs that ? :> |
| 02:26.47 | Xenguy | cievo: whenever I heard my former Sysadmin going "wheeeeeeee" -- I knew there was trouble ;-] |
| 02:27.04 | debian7 | ;) |
| 02:27.07 | cievo | Xenguy : hehe :-D rm / -fr :-D |
| 02:27.13 | hax | safrican: i think if i knew which tty it was, i could reset it |
| 02:27.25 | yxa | Guerin so its not something like adding a line in sources.list and updating the cache... |
| 02:27.34 | Guerin | yxa: no. |
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| 02:27.47 | thomas_adam | cievo: Do it properly: trap 2 15 '' rm -fr / |
| 02:27.52 | cievo | Xenguy : don't u know some package that cleans screen and keyboard ? :))))) |
| 02:27.55 | Guerin | yxa: you have to resolve deps yourself |
| 02:28.08 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: They say that now. |
| 02:28.09 | cievo | thomas_adam : what's trap ? |
| 02:28.14 | safrican | hax, have you tried `reset` ? |
| 02:28.21 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, yup I'm cutting back to 3 hours |
| 02:28.23 | thomas_adam | cievo: blocks signals to a command. |
| 02:28.29 | debian7 | is sarge comming soon? |
| 02:28.39 | cievo | thomas_adam : that means ???? no kill signals can come throug ??? :) |
| 02:28.40 | Guerin | debian7: real soon now. |
| 02:28.42 | thomas_adam | cievo: In the instance quoted, traps ^C :) |
| 02:28.59 | yxa | Guerin i built the pack from source manually. but it wouldn't run |
| 02:29.03 | debian7 | Guerin: <love> |
| 02:29.05 | hax | hah, that did it |
| 02:29.06 | hax | reset |
| 02:29.07 | hax | eh |
| 02:29.07 | cievo | thomas_adam : that means I can not do ^C ? :-D |
| 02:29.08 | hax | heh |
| 02:29.10 | lucas | debian7: possibly mid-september |
| 02:29.15 | Guerin | yxa: why do you need it? |
| 02:29.21 | Guerin | yxa: and what is it? |
| 02:29.21 | Xenguy | cievo: I actually did that one time when I had a 'stealth' installation of Linux at a contractor position -- I had a dual boot install, had *windows mounted* and decided to 'rm -rf /' my *linux* installation :P |
| 02:29.25 | cievo | thomas_adam : and those two numbers ? why don't I have man for trap ??? |
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| 02:29.36 | debian7 | lucas: i'm waiting for it |
| 02:29.36 | thomas_adam | cievo: "trap" is a builtin: 'help trap' |
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| 02:29.39 | AciD | hey |
| 02:29.45 | cievo | Xenguy : poor guy :-D |
| 02:29.46 | lucas | debian7: i'm looking forward to it too |
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| 02:29.51 | yxa | Guerin jabbered 2.0 |
| 02:29.55 | thomas_adam | cievo: The numbers are listed in 'man kill' |
| 02:30.00 | Guerin | yxa: not in unstable? |
| 02:30.05 | pirre | thomas_adam: or trap -l |
| 02:30.07 | cievo | thomas_adam : thnkx ;))) |
| 02:30.12 | debian7 | lucas: because before every update on production server I get a heart atack |
| 02:30.13 | Xenguy | cievo: heh - luckily I knew the guy who managed the 'ghost' stuff -- he laughed his ass off and re-ghosted me real quick ;-) |
| 02:30.14 | thomas_adam | pirre: uh-huh. |
| 02:30.21 | cievo | thomas_adam : and those '' ??? |
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| 02:30.34 | thomas_adam | cievo: '' "" there's a difference. :) |
| 02:30.38 | yxa | Guerin dont see it |
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| 02:30.45 | Guerin | !find jabberd |
| 02:30.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'jabberd' (4 shown): (/usr/sbin/jabberd) in net/jabber ;; (/usr/sbin/jabberd-jit) in net/jabber-jit ;; (/usr/include/jabber/jabberd.h) in devel/jabber-dev ;; (/usr/share/selinux/policy/default/domains/program/jabberd.te, /usr/share/selinux/policy/default/file_contexts/program/jabberd.fc) in admin/selinux-policy-default. |
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| 02:31.05 | cievo | Xenguy : god lucky ;> |
| 02:31.08 | Guerin | !info jabber sid |
| 02:31.10 | dpkg | jabber: (Daemon for the jabber.org Open Source Instant Messenger), section net, is optional. Version: 1.4.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 181 kB, Installed size: 680 kB |
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| 02:31.20 | yxa | need 2.0 |
| 02:31.28 | Xenguy | cievo: it was embarrassing, but it was fuckin hilarious I must say :-) |
| 02:31.28 | AciD | i have an odd problem : I can only do a 'ctrl+alt+F[1-6]' to switch to text mode, but then i can't change to another screen (F2 to F8), any ideas ? (uname -a > Linux AciD 2.6.7 #1 Fri Jun 18 13:09:21 CEST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux) |
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| 02:31.41 | AciD | (on debian unstable) |
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| 02:31.47 | cievo | Xenguy : once I played arounf with quotas and I missspelled quota in /etc/fstab and my system booted as read only...i got lucky that it booted at all..i was 100 miles away from it :> |
| 02:31.50 | Guerin | yxa: do you even know if it's in experimental? |
| 02:32.03 | hax | cron is fixed |
| 02:32.10 | yxa | Guerin it showed up in apt-get.org |
| 02:32.14 | cievo | Xenguy : at least you have good story to tell to your grandchildren :))) |
| 02:32.17 | hax | someone should change the topic |
| 02:32.23 | doobiean | my /var/lib/dpkg/* files seem to be all corrupt, any way to rebuild these? |
| 02:32.29 | Guerin | yxa: so why don't you get it from the repository listed there? |
| 02:32.33 | hax | atleast, i think it is |
| 02:32.43 | Xenguy | cievo: yeh - these are all funny 'geek stories' for those the follow (and those that care ;-) |
| 02:32.44 | Guerin | !info cron sid |
| 02:32.46 | dpkg | cron: (management of regular background processing), section admin, is important. Version: 3.0pl1-84 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 212 kB |
| 02:32.52 | Guerin | hax: nope |
| 02:32.57 | hax | Guerin: well, it just installed... |
| 02:33.03 | hax | Guerin: it wasnt doing that before |
| 02:33.04 | Guerin | hax: -86 is fixed, -84 is still b0rk3d |
| 02:33.15 | yxa | Guerin that was my initial question. how? |
| 02:33.18 | doobiean | going to attempt copying available.old to see if that will help |
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| 02:33.30 | hax | Guerin: how can i see what version i have? |
| 02:33.43 | Guerin | hax: dpkg -l cron |
| 02:33.57 | cievo | Xenguy what do you do ? |
| 02:33.58 | Guerin | yxa: no, you asked how to install something from experimental. |
| 02:34.05 | hax | Guerin: oh, it installed 8 |
| 02:34.08 | hax | 86 |
| 02:34.15 | hax | Guerin: thats unstable, right? |
| 02:34.22 | simonrvn | yes |
| 02:34.26 | cievo | hax: right |
| 02:34.36 | hax | oh, ok, that was broken earlier today |
| 02:34.37 | Guerin | yxa: a rep from apt-get.org comes with a sources.list line. Add that and go for it. |
| 02:34.48 | simonrvn | -84 was, -86 not. /topic |
| 02:34.48 | Xenguy | cievo: a trick question ;-) |
| 02:34.52 | hax | btw, if i have both unstable and stable lines in my sources.list, how do i know which its going to use? |
| 02:35.05 | simonrvn | hax: you shouldn't do that |
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| 02:35.09 | Guerin | hax: well, according to dpkg the current sid version is still -84 - but he might be out of date by a few hours, I dunno. |
| 02:35.10 | simonrvn | !bobbitt |
| 02:35.10 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 02:35.13 | Xenguy | cievo: I'm a hacker linux librarian, truth be told =) |
| 02:35.19 | hax | simonrvn: oh, ok |
| 02:35.27 | scarynetworkguy | damn simonrvn beat me to it |
| 02:35.29 | cievo | Xenguy : that means what ? :) |
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| 02:35.39 | simonrvn | testing/unstable you can, but not stable/unstable |
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| 02:36.08 | cievo | simonrvn : :-D !bobbitt |
| 02:36.13 | Xenguy | cievo: decipher my friend (I'm a 'systems librarian' who likes linux a lot) |
| 02:36.35 | cievo | all..who the hell does write these funny dpkg's shits ???? |
| 02:36.47 | simonrvn | people do |
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| 02:36.58 | cievo | Xenguy : hehe :) can you do enought money doin' libraian ? |
| 02:36.59 | doobiean | simonrvn: what about stable security |
| 02:37.04 | Pit | cievo: I'm guessing it's a million monkeys with IRC clients |
| 02:37.08 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy, what is a systems librarian? |
| 02:37.11 | simonrvn | doobiean: what about it? |
| 02:37.19 | cievo | all...no roots landed for long time here :) |
| 02:37.28 | hax | can anyone help me get this tap-to-click thing disabled in linux? tpconfig doesnt want to work for me |
| 02:37.30 | Xenguy | cievo: I'd make more money coding, but apparently that's not my karma :-) |
| 02:37.38 | xam | cievo: shall I su and join this channel |
| 02:37.39 | doobiean | can u add that to unstable sources.list |
| 02:37.48 | yxa | Guerin ok. the line looks weird. deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ ../project/experimental main contrib non-free |
| 02:37.50 | Xenguy | scarynetworkguy: c'mon -- a libarian who looks after systems in libraries :-) |
| 02:37.51 | cievo | Xenguy : what do you code ? :) |
| 02:37.57 | cievo | xam: hehe ;)))) |
| 02:38.06 | simonrvn | doobiean: what for? and no, you can't. see bobbitt ^^^ |
| 02:38.12 | Xenguy | cievo: bash/php/perl, when needed |
| 02:38.13 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy, so a sys admin who works at a Library? |
| 02:38.13 | yxa | Guerin when i try to browse it i cant find any experimental packs |
| 02:38.25 | cievo | Xenguy : i x |
| 02:38.30 | cievo | Xenguy : I c :) |
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| 02:38.42 | cievo | scarynetworkguy : ha :-D |
| 02:38.47 | Xenguy | scarynetworkguy: yeah, I'm the geek librarians look to when systems fail (or when they want the web site fixed ;-) |
| 02:38.51 | cievo | haha ! |
| 02:38.51 | simonrvn | librarians are teh r0x0r |
| 02:38.52 | cievo | !root |
| 02:38.52 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 02:38.58 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy, cool. |
| 02:38.58 | simonrvn | @tell root__ -about root |
| 02:39.06 | cievo | haha :-D |
| 02:39.18 | Xenguy | simonrvn: ;-) |
| 02:39.26 | cievo | xam: is that you ? :) |
| 02:39.33 | xam | cievo: nope |
| 02:39.40 | cievo | xam: hehe ;) |
| 02:39.42 | simonrvn | Xenguy: :) |
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| 02:40.14 | Yashica | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:40.33 | cievo | all...Yashica sounds like girl's name, right ? |
| 02:40.52 | cievo | Shit...she disappeared :) |
| 02:41.24 | xam | cievo: Yashica sounds russian, like Joshka |
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| 02:41.37 | cievo | xam: :) |
| 02:41.38 | Guerin | cievo: yashica is a camera manufacturer |
| 02:41.41 | simonrvn | cievo: it's called a spammer |
| 02:41.43 | kurumin | hi |
| 02:41.47 | xam | cievo: btw, root__ = pit |
| 02:42.01 | cievo | xam: oh ;) i c |
| 02:42.01 | kurumin | i have a question on wine |
| 02:42.03 | cievo | simonrvn : hehe :) |
| 02:42.10 | kurumin | who can help me? |
| 02:42.14 | cievo | Guerin: never heard of ir |
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| 02:42.20 | pirre | kurumin: winehq.org |
| 02:42.22 | cievo | kurumin : what is a Q ? |
| 02:42.23 | simonrvn | @tell kurumin -about ask |
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| 02:42.35 | Guerin | kurumin: #winehq alsa |
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| 02:42.42 | xam | kurumin: the missing bit to I, like in IQ |
| 02:42.42 | Guerin | s/alsa/also/ |
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| 02:43.10 | scorn | greetings |
| 02:43.11 | cievo | xam :-D |
| 02:43.15 | simonrvn | typing alsa too mnay times can do that ;P |
| 02:43.21 | Guerin | scorn: that's not very scornful |
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| 02:43.23 | cievo | scorn ; g's back 2 u ;) |
| 02:43.28 | Guerin | simonrvn: it does indeed :) |
| 02:43.30 | simonrvn | !aol |
| 02:43.30 | dpkg | from memory, aol is for people who dont know the highway from the driveway, or army of losers. They are teaming up with Sony to fight |
| 02:43.31 | cievo | simonrvn :haha :) |
| 02:43.41 | simonrvn | !u |
| 02:43.41 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 02:43.43 | Xenguy | bwahaha |
| 02:43.50 | xam | !k |
| 02:43.50 | dpkg | FFS, how hard is it to type the o as well? See also <sms-over-irc>, <2>, <lol>, <ne1> K stands for KILL, which is what we'll do if you don't stop being a l4m3r... |
| 02:44.02 | cievo | haha :-D |
| 02:44.04 | scorn | Guerin: can't think of anything witty in response. Give me a bit. |
| 02:44.12 | AciD | *pom pom pom* |
| 02:44.17 | Guerin | scorn: the longer you take, the less points you get |
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| 02:44.34 | cievo | it's so funny here :) |
| 02:44.44 | simonrvn | oh my.. |
| 02:44.45 | scorn | it is, unusually cheeful. |
| 02:44.48 | jcarr | most essential apps for an office workstation? |
| 02:44.51 | jcarr | for a developer |
| 02:44.55 | simonrvn | vim |
| 02:44.55 | Guerin | jcarr: emacs |
| 02:45.01 | jcarr | got em |
| 02:45.03 | simonrvn | or both |
| 02:45.06 | xam | jcarr screen |
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| 02:45.14 | jcarr | python, perl, php, mysql, postgresql, LDAp |
| 02:45.16 | jcarr | got em |
| 02:45.21 | thomas_adam | Oooh, vi/emacs wars. |
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| 02:45.27 | xam | jcarr ctags |
| 02:45.28 | cievo | :) |
| 02:45.30 | cievo | JOE JOE JOE !!! |
| 02:45.33 | Guerin | jcarr: xmmms |
| 02:45.36 | pirre | jcarr: xjump ! |
| 02:45.36 | simonrvn | !tmtowtdi |
| 02:45.36 | jcarr | got argouml and java installed too |
| 02:45.36 | dpkg | There's More Than One Way To Do It (in Perl, or....) |
| 02:45.41 | jcarr | xeyes! |
| 02:45.42 | Xenguy | er, vim |
| 02:45.45 | xam | jcarr: xbill |
| 02:45.45 | scorn | jcarr: tea cooker! |
| 02:45.50 | Xenguy | no, I mean emacs |
| 02:45.52 | jcarr | xbull is mad fun |
| 02:45.53 | Xenguy | er |
| 02:45.57 | jcarr | er, bill even |
| 02:46.06 | pirre | E: Couldn't find package xbull |
| 02:46.06 | cievo | fight fight fight :) |
| 02:46.08 | xam | jcarr: apt-get |
| 02:46.08 | jcarr | yeah right |
| 02:46.16 | pirre | ah. |
| 02:46.17 | jcarr | got apt-get |
| 02:46.24 | jcarr | hows about PornView |
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| 02:46.32 | jcarr | apt-get install pornview |
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| 02:46.40 | scorn | ascii porn |
| 02:46.41 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn, it all went to hell |
| 02:46.43 | Guerin | jcarr: imagemagick / display is better |
| 02:46.48 | dessaix | does anyone know if e1000 nic drivers still work for debian? http://support.intel.com/support/network/sb/cs-006120-prd38.htm |
| 02:46.49 | Pit | apt-get install nano, the solution to editor wars |
| 02:47.03 | Guerin | !start an editor war |
| 02:47.03 | dpkg | xemacs doesn't deserve to be in BSD |
| 02:47.14 | obfucius | I need to setup a good user bandwidth monitoring system on my Debian server so I know where my bandwidth is going... what's the best way to accomplish this task? |
| 02:47.15 | Xenguy | BSD!?!?!?! |
| 02:47.16 | jcarr | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 02:47.16 | jcarr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.23 | jcarr | OpenBSD |
| 02:47.25 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: i fee like i've disappeared from here and reappeared in an aohell chatroom |
| 02:47.26 | jcarr | kicks ass |
| 02:47.31 | Gumby | has anyone in here installed IBM db2 ON debian? |
| 02:47.32 | Xenguy | *cough* *hack* |
| 02:47.40 | Guerin | !aolify simonrvn |
| 02:47.41 | Pit | Hey, dpkg can start an editor war and an OS war at the same time |
| 02:47.44 | Pit | Impressive |
| 02:47.44 | jcarr | Gumby about to |
| 02:47.53 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn, damn straight |
| 02:47.55 | Gumby | jcarr: from RPM ? |
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| 02:48.27 | initech | scarynetworkguy: because no one knows wtf it is? :-) |
| 02:48.28 | cievo | scarynetworkguy : I mentioned JOE.. and no1 cared ;) |
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| 02:48.40 | Guerin | !tw@ |
| 02:48.40 | dpkg | methinks tw@ is ( What we think of people who use 'gr8' and other such nonsense words. ) |
| 02:48.44 | gothtec | yay! it's 4:48 AM and my robot is finally walking on all four legs :D |
| 02:48.46 | xam | cievo: vigor |
| 02:48.54 | scarynetworkguy | initech, MPE text editor |
| 02:48.58 | Xenguy | cievo: might as well just learn vi(m) =) |
| 02:48.58 | scarynetworkguy | cievo, well duh |
| 02:49.09 | cievo | haha |
| 02:49.10 | scorn | gothtec: sweeeet. |
| 02:49.24 | scorn | gothtec: embedded linux? |
| 02:49.46 | Pit | Or maybe he trapped a midget in a steel box |
| 02:49.48 | gothtec | scorn: that's the next move. it's programmed from linux though |
| 02:49.59 | gothtec | Epitaph: that'll be version 3 |
| 02:50.01 | cievo | I have stupid question: what this crap means in IRC BitchX ???[10:50pm][cievo(+eiw)][Mail: 5] [#debian(+clntz 710)] |
| 02:50.02 | gothtec | er |
| 02:50.05 | gothtec | Pit: |
| 02:50.15 | gothtec | anyway. sleeping time |
| 02:50.18 | cievo | all..and second line: [Lag 3] [O/2 N/699 I/0 V/0 F/0] |
| 02:50.24 | Xenguy | cievo: it means kill BX and install irssi ;-) |
| 02:50.26 | xam | cievo: the first thingie is the time ;) |
| 02:50.28 | safrican | how can i unload a module without using rmmod ? |
| 02:50.35 | cievo | Xenguy : is it under console ?! |
| 02:50.41 | Xenguy | cievo: yep |
| 02:50.43 | cievo | safrican modprobe -r MODULE |
| 02:50.49 | safrican | cievo: thank yah |
| 02:50.53 | cievo | Xenguy what is bettera bout irssi ? |
| 02:51.01 | cievo | safrican np |
| 02:51.08 | Pit | cievo: In a word, everything |
| 02:51.14 | cievo | Pit : really ? :) |
| 02:51.15 | safrican | cievo: everything :D |
| 02:51.16 | Xenguy | cievo: it doesn't have annoying 'quit' messages ;-) |
| 02:51.16 | agk_deb | who i find a walktrough to install kernel 2.6.7 |
| 02:51.37 | safrican | agk_deb: http://www.kerneltrap.org has a nice 2.6.x tutorial |
| 02:51.44 | agk_deb | tnks |
| 02:51.49 | dessaix | can anyoen help me out with a dumb question about a driver ? |
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| 02:51.58 | cievo | dessaix : what is it ? |
| 02:52.02 | cievo | !tell dessaix about ask |
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| 02:52.16 | thomas_adam | cievo: define "better". |
| 02:52.21 | thomas_adam | cievo: I use irssi. |
| 02:52.24 | safrican | !tell safrican about ask |
| 02:52.29 | safrican | i use irssi :D |
| 02:52.39 | beth | I use irssi. |
| 02:52.42 | nytroe | BitchX <3 |
| 02:52.42 | dessaix | i need to put the driver i need into a floppy, not sure which one to downlaod from this list.: http://lyre.mit.edu/~powell/e1000/ |
| 02:52.44 | beth | what are we voting on? |
| 02:52.50 | cievo | thomas_adam : they said that irssi is better :-) I don't know what's better :) never user before |
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| 02:52.57 | dessaix | its all the same 1 driver |
| 02:53.01 | thomas_adam | cievo: BitchX is just broken. |
| 02:53.21 | cievo | beth : BitchX vs irssi |
| 02:53.35 | safrican | cievo: it's really awesome.. :-D doesn't have the bloatedness/annoyingness like BitchX |
| 02:53.36 | cievo | thomas_adam : meaning... |
| 02:53.42 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, oh come on those random quite message.... oh wait you are right :) |
| 02:53.50 | cievo | Hmmm... |
| 02:53.51 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: hehehe. |
| 02:53.52 | safrican | and it is really simple |
| 02:53.55 | cievo | I will try to install it :) |
| 02:54.05 | safrican | cievo: apt-get install irssi-snapshot |
| 02:54.05 | cievo | after I'm don with upgrade :) |
| 02:54.09 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, L) |
| 02:54.11 | safrican | upgrading to SID? |
| 02:54.13 | xam | !tell dessaix about some1 |
| 02:54.16 | scarynetworkguy | what the hell was that |
| 02:54.17 | thomas_adam | cievo: BitchX had and still has certain... security issues. |
| 02:54.33 | dessaix | cievo: any idea ? |
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