| 00:00.10 | DarkCoiote | greycat: ... |
| 00:00.13 | thomas_adam | cheecheeo: So what are you bitching about? |
| 00:00.31 | [Xiru] | people... I need some help to make my microphone work. I have no idea what is missing. The sound works but I never had microphones working in any of my boxes. Does anybody could give me some tip? |
| 00:00.44 | thomas_adam | [Xiru]: ALSA? |
| 00:01.03 | cheecheeo | thomas_adam: just trying to figure out what "pinning" means in layman's terms |
| 00:01.19 | thomas_adam | cheecheeo: man apt_preferences |
| 00:01.24 | [Xiru] | thomas_adam, no. It is 2.4.26 kernel without alsa at all. |
| 00:01.30 | Davs | whats the safest (for a nix noob) encoding to pick for mysql, unicode or one of the latins?? |
| 00:01.31 | [Xiru] | thomas_adam, standard OSS. |
| 00:01.33 | ninja_ | !tell cheecheeo about pinning |
| 00:01.47 | DarkCoiote | greycat: what site u recommend to get a good introduction to Debian?? the official Debian site? |
| 00:01.48 | thomas_adam | [Xiru]: Then install aumix, and ensure the mic is up full. Also ensure it is plugged into the correct socket. |
| 00:02.01 | DarkCoiote | greycat: a good e-book or something like that |
| 00:02.12 | [Xiru] | thomas_adam, ok... let me try it. |
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| 00:02.47 | thomas_adam | DarkCoiote: I fink u need to sorta try an right ur words out properly like. |
| 00:03.09 | chromakode_ | DarkCoiote: check out the newbieguide: newbieguide.sf.net |
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| 00:03.14 | chromakode_ | !newbieguide |
| 00:03.15 | tattoo | i can't find the x-java-vm application. can someone know which file should i apt? |
| 00:03.20 | DarkCoiote | !newbieguide |
| 00:03.22 | ricochet | Question: i just update/upgraded and now it looks like gnome is running instead of KDE, which it was before. wtf? |
| 00:03.26 | chromakode_ | hmm |
| 00:03.26 | MrLOL | hi...when will that sarge be realeased? |
| 00:03.32 | greycat | !wir |
| 00:03.32 | dpkg | methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 00:04.02 | cheecheeo | ninja_: ah, thanks |
| 00:04.05 | thomas_adam | MrLOL? Oh, what *will* they think of next? |
| 00:04.05 | SharkY | hi |
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| 00:04.11 | DarkCoiote | thanks chromakode_ |
| 00:04.16 | MrLOL | thomas_adam: when is that? |
| 00:04.31 | thomas_adam | MrLOL: When is what? How soon is now? |
| 00:04.33 | DarkCoiote | !newbieguide |
| 00:04.42 | MrLOL | now? |
| 00:04.42 | greycat | DarkCoiote: obviously there is no such factoid. |
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| 00:04.48 | greycat | thomas_adam: you lost him. |
| 00:05.00 | thomas_adam | DarkCoiote: You've just been told where to find it. |
| 00:05.00 | chromakode_ | darin3200: no problem |
| 00:05.04 | thomas_adam | greycat: I'm not wasting my time. |
| 00:05.06 | chromakode_ | i mean |
| 00:05.07 | MrLOL | dont be so rude with me i am german ^^ |
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| 00:05.15 | chromakode_ | DarkCoiote |
| 00:05.17 | MrLOL | i am special ^^ |
| 00:05.24 | DarkCoiote | . |
| 00:05.24 | thomas_adam | "Oh German? I'm sorry, I thought there was something wrong with you." |
| 00:05.31 | Davs | heh |
| 00:05.49 | greycat | MrLOL: stop trolling us. Go back to #gentoo.de. |
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| 00:06.06 | fatal | http://germany.istheshit.net/ |
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| 00:07.00 | cafuego | Nooooooooooooooobody knows the trouble I've seen.... |
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| 00:07.20 | MrLOL | fatal.istheshit.net |
| 00:07.23 | thomas_adam | cafuego: True, 'troubled' is not here. |
| 00:07.35 | sussudio | cafuego: nobody but your webcam |
| 00:07.37 | DENSOFT | Hi !!! |
| 00:07.45 | cafuego | sussudio: Be quiet, german. |
| 00:07.46 | thomas_adam | DENSOFT: LOWER!! your nickname, please. |
| 00:07.53 | sussudio | DENSOFT: are you from tardistan? |
| 00:08.01 | DemiGuru | greycat, What's your opinion regarding software firewall in addition to hadware one? Software to monitor outgoing traffic and hardware incoming traffic. |
| 00:08.02 | sussudio | cafuego: je bent zelf een halve mof |
| 00:08.07 | cr4zyd | Is there a way to install Debian on a removable USB Maxtor HD? |
| 00:08.14 | greycat | DemiGuru: I don't do fascist crap. |
| 00:08.14 | DENSOFT | no i`am from LAtvija !!! :) |
| 00:08.19 | thomas_adam | cr4zyd: Yes, join the flying circus. |
| 00:08.27 | cr4zyd | i knew it. |
| 00:08.28 | DemiGuru | greycat, sorry? |
| 00:08.38 | greycat | DemiGuru: why would you monitor outgoing traffic? |
| 00:09.02 | DemiGuru | Let's say you have a component that is being hijacked |
| 00:09.17 | sussudio | !say you have a component that is being hijacked |
| 00:09.18 | dpkg | you have a component that is being hijacked |
| 00:09.21 | DemiGuru | your hardware firewall won't detect it |
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| 00:09.34 | greycat | then your hardware firewall isn't very good. |
| 00:09.50 | MrLOL | debian.istheshit.net |
| 00:10.01 | thomas_adam | MrLOL: bye bye. |
| 00:10.07 | sussudio | MrLOL: would you like a +q or a +b? |
| 00:10.10 | MrLOL | cu soon |
| 00:10.13 | DarkCoiote | arent both kinds of firewall supossed to monitor incoming and outgoing traffic? |
| 00:10.20 | greycat | ewwww, cu(1). UUCP bad. |
| 00:10.31 | DemiGuru | greycat, my hardware firewall would basically allow anything that "I" initiated |
| 00:10.34 | DemiGuru | correct? |
| 00:10.46 | cafuego | i rememebr when i used to be a hardware firewall. of course, in those days we used to wear an onion on our belts |
| 00:10.47 | greycat | DemiGuru: what are you protecting? Against whom? |
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| 00:11.20 | sussudio | DemiGuru: bunnies? |
| 00:11.26 | MrLOL | women |
| 00:11.45 | DemiGuru | greycat, I'm trying to find a way to replicate my work network environment since I work from home and believe it or not I deal with very sensitive information |
| 00:12.10 | DemiGuru | sussudio, Inspired by buffy :-) |
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| 00:12.45 | DENSOFT | how are you ??? |
| 00:13.13 | adda | hiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 00:13.23 | chromakode_ | denken: good !!! |
| 00:13.23 | DemiGuru | I work in a biotech company and we are dealing with the competition that is trying to break into our network on a weekly basis |
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| 00:13.58 | zinx | DemiGuru: FBI :/ |
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| 00:14.16 | DemiGuru | zinx, sorry? |
| 00:14.50 | DENSOFT | hi from Katja!!! |
| 00:15.05 | sussudio | DemiGuru: don't be an idiot. you don't put computers with sensitive information anywhere _near_ the internet. |
| 00:15.10 | greycat | DENSOFT: we don't care. If you have something to talk about, say it. |
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| 00:15.40 | DENSOFT | yea i have talk about this !!:) |
| 00:15.46 | DemiGuru | sussudio, The computers holding the sensitive information are not open to the outside that's obvious |
| 00:15.48 | greycat | sussudio: he's asking an IRC channel full of strangers how to secure his network. |
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| 00:16.04 | Caelum | how do you boot a kernel with an initrd image INTO the initrd image, without loading any modules? |
| 00:16.26 | DemiGuru | greycat, I'm trying to start a intelectual debate to hear other opinions apart from my own |
| 00:16.31 | DENSOFT | i have know people from FBI !!!! |
| 00:16.31 | sp1r1t | i think you need ramdisk support compiles into the kernel |
| 00:16.34 | sussudio | greycat: appearently security is worth nothing to him |
| 00:16.41 | sussudio | !aolify DENSOFT |
| 00:16.52 | Caelum | DemiGuru: why not use a dial-in VPN |
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| 00:17.12 | greycat | DemiGuru: that's called trolling. |
| 00:17.14 | DemiGuru | Caelum, We have that |
| 00:17.23 | thomas_adam | !tell DENSOFT about ep |
| 00:18.28 | DemiGuru | greycat, Give me a break - I came here with a positive attitude and you're just trying to upset me. Why is it that your so bitter? It's not the first time this |
| 00:18.33 | DENSOFT | why you chat it`s not fun???? |
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| 00:19.04 | DemiGuru | is happening here with you. Can't we just talk like civil people with common interests? |
| 00:19.04 | sussudio | DENSOFT: /server irc.dal.net |
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| 00:19.15 | greycat | DemiGuru: we're trying. |
| 00:19.19 | IDontCare | DENSOFT, cos the reason of this room is for debian discussion |
| 00:19.32 | IDontCare | i recommend a /list if your looking for more general channels |
| 00:19.42 | DemiGuru | greycat, you come off very hostile |
| 00:20.07 | chromakode_ | DemiGuru: so, you need to secure this network, what next? |
| 00:20.25 | IDontCare | densoft i will recommend #1,000 for you |
| 00:20.25 | chromakode_ | DemiGuru: what do you want to know? |
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| 00:20.38 | chromakode_ | hahah... |
| 00:20.47 | Caelum | DemiGuru: you must be new to irc :) |
| 00:20.48 | DemiGuru | chromakode_, I just wanted to hear the pros an cons for a certain network lay out |
| 00:21.16 | Caelum | DemiGuru: sometimes seemingly hostile people really are trying to help you, in their own way :P |
| 00:21.17 | Covener | DemiGuru: ta-ta-ta-today junior! spit it out for chrissake. |
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| 00:21.41 | DarkCoiote | Caelum: from what movie did u took that phrase? |
| 00:22.02 | Caelum | DarkCoiote: the movie that's my own life |
| 00:22.06 | chromakode_ | :P |
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| 00:22.15 | Covener | Caelum: i slept through that one! |
| 00:22.15 | chromakode_ | you scared him off |
| 00:22.25 | DarkCoiote | Caelum: it sounds pretty boring |
| 00:22.41 | sussudio | DarkCoiote: people watch big brother. |
| 00:22.59 | DarkCoiote | big brother suchs |
| 00:23.08 | DENSOFT | :) |
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| 00:24.17 | Caelum | Covener: never asked anyone to watch :P |
| 00:24.22 | DarkCoiote | how can i reinstall windows boot after uninstalling Lilo? |
| 00:24.34 | Caelum | DarkCoiote: run recovery console from xp cd |
| 00:24.35 | chromakode_ | Caelum: we do. believe me. |
| 00:24.38 | sp1r1t | reinstall what? |
| 00:24.49 | SuperPhly | uhm, my system is rebooting right after i choose a mirror site to download the install from... it's done it 3x now at the exact same point during the install... |
| 00:24.55 | Caelum | DarkCoiote: type help |
| 00:25.09 | DarkCoiote | fixboot and fixmbr didnt solved |
| 00:25.50 | DarkCoiote | Caelum: that was the first thing that came to my mind |
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| 00:26.22 | sp1r1t | what is your current situation and what do you want to do? install the windows boot manager? |
| 00:26.47 | sp1r1t | or clean your master boot record? fdisk /mbr will do the latter. |
| 00:26.56 | Caelum | DarkCoiote: did you create the partition table in linux? |
| 00:26.59 | DarkCoiote | Im supossing, cause I had problems and had to format all and start from zero |
| 00:27.02 | ricochet1 | I had KDE installed for a long time, i just update/upgrade'd and now it looks like gnome is running. How do I get it back to KDE and why did it change? |
| 00:27.15 | DarkCoiote | now im thinking of trying to install linux again |
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| 00:27.29 | Caelum | ricochet1: you mean gdm is running? |
| 00:27.31 | Gil | ricochet1: what desktop manager do you use? |
| 00:27.40 | Caelum | ricochet1: apt-get remove gdm; apt-get install kdm |
| 00:27.52 | DarkCoiote | sp1r1t: what fdisk /mbr will do? |
| 00:27.53 | ricochet1 | I used KDE before i just update/upgraded |
| 00:27.54 | thomas_adam | Caelum: apt-get remove gdm kdm+ |
| 00:28.12 | Gil | thomas_adam: what a time-saver! |
| 00:28.21 | thomas_adam | Gil: Yup. |
| 00:28.25 | jcole_s91 | i just installed debian via netinstall and didn't configure my network adapter. i've booted into my new minimum debian system (176M)... how do i configure the network card at this point? do i have to re-install debian from cd? or, is there a way to run the network config tool again? |
| 00:28.26 | Caelum | thomas_adam: ah cool |
| 00:28.27 | sp1r1t | Gil : indeed |
| 00:28.42 | greycat | jcole_s91: modconf |
| 00:28.52 | greycat | jcole_s91: then edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:29.01 | greycat | jcole_s91: and /etc/resolv.conf possibly. |
| 00:29.17 | jcole_s91 | modconf is not there... |
| 00:29.30 | thomas_adam | jcole_s91: install it. |
| 00:29.35 | sp1r1t | jcole_s91 : what is not set up - the driver or the ip address ? |
| 00:29.50 | ricochet1 | Caelum, Gil, umm, in ps aux neither appear to be running. Could it be that gnome-panel is running ontop of kde or something? |
| 00:29.55 | chapium | when i run man (and other things) i get this error: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct |
| 00:29.58 | DarkCoiote | sp1r1t: supossing i want to install the windows boot manager, what should i do?: |
| 00:30.02 | greycat | chapium: /msg dpkg locales |
| 00:30.08 | chapium | thanks |
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| 00:30.21 | chromakode_ | haha |
| 00:30.36 | siggi | ricochet1 : have you tried update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 00:30.42 | chromakode_ | Tpyo_Knig: lvoe te knik |
| 00:30.46 | ricochet1 | no, will try |
| 00:30.51 | sp1r1t | do you still have linux and windows installed, or did you remove linux and want to start windows now? |
| 00:31.10 | DarkCoiote | remove linux and Lilo and want to start windows... |
| 00:31.22 | ricochet1 | hey thanks siggi! |
| 00:31.25 | SuperPhly | uhm, my system is rebooting right after i choose a mirror site to download the install from... it's done it 3x now at the exact same point during the install... i think it may be hardware, but that doesn't make sense does it... |
| 00:31.31 | siggi | np |
| 00:31.33 | Tpyo_Knig | Ty chromakode_ |
| 00:31.35 | Tpyo_Knig | :) |
| 00:31.54 | DarkCoiote | SuperPhly: maybe bad ram or hd |
| 00:31.58 | greycat | SuperPhly: try a different NIC maybe? |
| 00:32.12 | greycat | SuperPhly: or a bad power supply |
| 00:32.21 | chapium | what is the best locale to use for United States? |
| 00:32.33 | greycat | chapium: en_US ISO-8859-1 |
| 00:32.37 | sp1r1t | so you want to get rid of linux in favour of windows? your choice. here's how you do that : start from windows cd or some win98 bootdisk, type "fdisk /mbr" to remove grub/lilo from master boot record. reboot. |
| 00:32.39 | chapium | gracias |
| 00:32.41 | SuperPhly | hmmm, it'sjust that it will sit there FOREVER, until i hit "ftp.debian.org" or some other mirror |
| 00:32.42 | greycat | chapium: or UTF-8 if you want to experiment with that |
| 00:32.56 | ricochet1 | whoa, no I have both the gnome menu and kde menu on my screen. how/why is gnome menu thing starting? |
| 00:33.03 | DarkCoiote | sp1r1t: i want to fix windows and try linux again.... |
| 00:33.17 | Tpyo_Knig | K im thinking on trying out Debian, but first I got a few qestions 1) does apt-get include the ability to download either binary or source , 2) I want to do an FTP/netinstall , is there a LiveCD WITH the Kernel source on it (since I will have to compile my drivers for my wirelesss card first..) |
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| 00:33.33 | chapium | 1) yes |
| 00:33.56 | sp1r1t | did you already remove linux? can you boot into one of the operating systems? |
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| 00:34.11 | greycat | Tpyo_Knig: 2) you don't need kernel *source* to build 3rd party modules. You need kernel *headers*. And they must match your kernel. |
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| 00:34.40 | Tpyo_Knig | greycat the manufacutorers website said it needs the kernel source from /usr/src/linux :-/ |
| 00:34.46 | macpato | fluxbox is back to normal in sid, yay! |
| 00:34.55 | jeanpoldeux | greycat: that's not true. to build dri-mach64 you need the sources. |
| 00:35.20 | greycat | then I'd build a custom kernel first. |
| 00:35.59 | Tpyo_Knig | to build for my RaLink Ralkink T2500 MiniPCI 802.11g Cardbus Reference Card (rev 01) |
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| 00:36.02 | sp1r1t | Tpyo_king : then instal it. "uname -a" will show your kernel version, then do something like "apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.7" |
| 00:36.05 | Tpyo_Knig | need the kernel source |
| 00:36.19 | DarkCoiote | sp1r1t: no, i cant... |
| 00:36.26 | nailbiter | Tpyo_Knig: if your laptop has enough RAM, you could simply install a base system (with kernel headers) into a tmpfs, then compile your wireless module in there. :) |
| 00:36.28 | Tpyo_Knig | sp1r1t un that requires net access from link, and since i need the drivers to get to net no go |
| 00:36.36 | Tpyo_Knig | I have 512 RAM |
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| 00:36.40 | Tpyo_Knig | that should suffice.. |
| 00:36.45 | Tpyo_Knig | DDR 333 |
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| 00:36.57 | sp1r1t | DarkCoiote : but you see the linux bootloader (lilo) when starting your machine? |
| 00:37.05 | DarkCoiote | i removed it |
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| 00:37.08 | jeanpoldeux | Tpyo_Knig: very interessant. |
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| 00:37.21 | nailbiter | tydel: you might have to mount the tmpfs with the 'size=' option to |
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| 00:37.38 | sp1r1t | so what do you see at boottime? |
| 00:37.39 | nailbiter | Tpyo_Knig: you might have to mount the tmpfs with the 'size=' option to make sure it's large enough. |
| 00:37.56 | Tpyo_Knig | I can put a kernel on my ntfs partitiona nd acccess it from linux BUT the problem would be that the drivers have to match the running kernel so :-/ |
| 00:37.56 | greycat | Tpyo_Knig: why not just put linux-2.4.26.tar.bz2 on a CD-R(W) and be done with it? |
| 00:38.02 | greycat | Oh wait, that would be too easy.... |
| 00:38.08 | greycat | !rube goldberg install |
| 00:38.08 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 00:38.16 | DarkCoiote | dont load any Os... appears a buunch of 99 |
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| 00:39.04 | Tpyo_Knig | greycat because the drivers said in order for it to compile the kernel source must match running kernel |
| 00:39.28 | sp1r1t | DarkCoiote: 1) boot from windows CD into that rescue console thing (forgot the name), do "fdisk /mbr' 2) reboot |
| 00:39.50 | sp1r1t | your box should now boot into windows |
| 00:39.51 | greycat | Tpyo_Knig: 1) install debian, 2) install linux source code, 3) make custom kernel, 4) make weird driver. |
| 00:40.06 | DarkCoiote | fdisk /mbr is similar to fixmbr? |
| 00:40.31 | Tpyo_Knig | greycat Im wanting to do an FTP install as to not to brun more than 1 cd |
| 00:40.32 | sp1r1t | reboot, insert linux boot CD, begin installation of linux (make sure there is free space on hdd, make backup of essential data) |
| 00:40.50 | Tpyo_Knig | burn^ |
| 00:40.50 | greycat | THEY COST THIRTY FUCKING CENTS. |
| 00:40.54 | greycat | My *God*. |
| 00:41.00 | nailbiter | DarkCoiote: 'fdisk /mbr' writes a fresh copy of the Windows MBR onto the first sector of your disk. |
| 00:41.05 | jeanpoldeux | sometimes 40 cents |
| 00:41.08 | Tpyo_Knig | Yes, actally 33cent to be exact |
| 00:41.09 | Tpyo_Knig | :) |
| 00:41.16 | siggi | DarkCoiote, you can also boot with knoppix and use it to install lilo or grub |
| 00:41.23 | greycat | The time you have *wasted* on this is worth more than the 30 cents you tried to save. |
| 00:41.36 | DarkCoiote | thanks sp1r1t |
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| 00:41.44 | sp1r1t | fdisk /mbr will give you a clean master boot record and remove all boot loader software from the MBR. don't know what fixmbr does, i guess it tries to correct things that got messed up |
| 00:41.51 | DarkCoiote | nailbiter: and FIXMBR does the same, doesnt it? |
| 00:41.57 | Tpyo_Knig | actaully I could just edit the ISO and add the .bz2 to it :O |
| 00:42.01 | DarkCoiote | siggi: ok |
| 00:42.22 | Tpyo_Knig | actually |
| 00:42.40 | nailbiter | DarkCoiote: yes, i think it does the same thing. |
| 00:43.11 | sp1r1t | siggi: yes, but that won't allow him to boot his wondoze |
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| 00:43.35 | blaccdd | anyone installed xorg 7.0? |
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| 00:44.11 | greycat | #xorg might have. |
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| 00:45.24 | siggi | sp1r1t, he will be able to use grub or lilo to boot into windows |
| 00:45.28 | nailbiter | blaccdd: you mean 6.7.0? |
| 00:45.42 | sp1r1t | you may, of course, install linux and add the entry for windows to your bootloader manually. in grub, the entry would look like |
| 00:45.53 | DarkCoiote | siggi: ve u ever tried to install knoppix on hd? |
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| 00:46.06 | jeanpoldeux | lame evening. |
| 00:46.09 | siggi | DarkCoiote, yes |
| 00:46.32 | hooya | alright, i'm figuring out my nvidia GL problems. but i've created another in the process. i've accidently deleted a file from the package xlibmesa-glu. anyway to force install, or repair the package? |
| 00:46.33 | DarkCoiote | did u had any problems with partition system? (partitions getting hidden( |
| 00:46.35 | blaccdd | yes |
| 00:46.45 | siggi | DarkCoiote, I'd rather use a sarge install |
| 00:47.09 | siggi | DarkCoiote, I don't recall having problems with partitioning |
| 00:47.30 | siggi | or partitions |
| 00:47.55 | DarkCoiote | i think i had problems cause my 3 partitions were Primary |
| 00:47.56 | jeanpoldeux | DarkCoiote: linux is perhaps the only system that recognise every partition. |
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| 00:48.18 | arke | hey |
| 00:48.21 | DarkCoiote | jeanpoldeux: i know that, it recognise even hidden fat32 ones... thing that windows dont |
| 00:48.39 | jeanpoldeux | then ? |
| 00:48.59 | DarkCoiote | the problem is that after instaling linux, one partition was hidden |
| 00:49.03 | arke | a while ago i wanted to install debian. There was an option where there was a linux installer for over the internet. However, I can't find that on the site anymore. is that still avaiable? |
| 00:49.11 | DarkCoiote | and the dumb windows cant recognise hidden fat32 |
| 00:49.13 | hooya | is there any way to force install a package even tho it's currently installed. or repair it? the objective here is to get back a file that's part of the package that was accidently deleted. |
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| 00:49.30 | DarkCoiote | hooya: unistall and install |
| 00:49.38 | DarkCoiote | uninstall* |
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| 00:49.47 | nailbiter | DarkCoiote: you might want to fire up fdisk and change the partition's type, then. |
| 00:49.59 | DarkCoiote | nailbiter: then, after reboot, its hidden again! |
| 00:50.09 | jeanpoldeux | !poor baby |
| 00:50.09 | dpkg | poor baby is, like, totally lost because his parents left home, and now he's alone in the dark and don't now how to rtfm. See also rtfm. |
| 00:50.13 | noclue | any network skilled people on? |
| 00:50.21 | hooya | DarkCoiote, a whole bunch of other packages depend on it. would hate to uninstall all of them unless absolutely necessary... |
| 00:50.29 | lllegall | is there a way to customize kernel on woody ? |
| 00:50.31 | siggi | hooya, man dpkg |
| 00:50.46 | greycat | lllegall: same way you customize a kernel on any other linux installation. |
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| 00:51.18 | greycat | the question is, *why* do you want to customize the kernel? |
| 00:51.21 | lllegall | greycat: gentoo has menuconfig |
| 00:51.22 | DarkCoiote | hooya: dunno then |
| 00:51.22 | nailbiter | DarkCoiote: i have no idea what's doing that. :) but i'm pretty sure it's not anything on your Debian system that's changing your partition types by stealth. |
| 00:51.30 | greycat | lllegall: no. LINUX has "make menuconfig". |
| 00:51.35 | lllegall | oh |
| 00:52.03 | directhex | lllegall, and xconfig and gconfig too, technically |
| 00:52.16 | greycat | gconfig isn't in 2.4.x or earlier |
| 00:52.17 | DarkCoiote | nailbiter: but what is changing the partition type then??? |
| 00:52.23 | lllegall | i see, bsd has conf files ;) |
| 00:52.30 | thomas_adam | lllegall: and we care? |
| 00:52.33 | greycat | BSD's kernel is very very different from Linux. |
| 00:52.49 | lllegall | that's what I came from |
| 00:53.12 | greycat | then why on earth did you *leave*? BSD is so much better... |
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| 00:53.25 | directhex | greycat, always assume i don't know 2.4 specifics. but since i've always used menuconfig anyway, i just remembered seeing gconfig as an option once |
| 00:53.28 | nailbiter | DarkCoiote: i have no idea. :) |
| 00:53.47 | greycat | directhex: also note that xconfig in 2.4.x is Tk based. |
| 00:53.56 | gabbaGandalf | windows rockt und linux sucks like my grandma under the eggs |
| 00:53.57 | noclue | hi.i want to setup my debian sys to work as NAT and share connection on eth1 with a windows box. the windows box has connection and is able to ping all ip numbers on the web. but NO hostnames. how could i fix this? |
| 00:53.58 | lllegall | don't tell me this adamdhomas char is a committer |
| 00:54.03 | DarkCoiote | nailbiter: i must get a good linux to install.... |
| 00:54.06 | greycat | gabbaGandalf: that's nice, now run along. |
| 00:54.12 | lllegall | I will laugh at this distro |
| 00:54.14 | lllegall | then |
| 00:54.31 | gabbaGandalf | no |
| 00:54.35 | gabbaGandalf | i am bill |
| 00:54.36 | Davs | Well its been a long and fruitfull day for my first time installing linux and Ive learned alot, everything seems to be up and running besides x-windows which is having monitor/mouse errors which I will look into. I really appreciate all the help you guys have been! |
| 00:54.38 | gabbaGandalf | gates |
| 00:54.47 | DarkCoiote | nailbiter: im afraid to try to install linux again and ve to format ntfs partition again to fix windows |
| 00:54.55 | directhex | greycat, is it tardsday already? |
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| 00:54.58 | greycat | lllegall: Debian isn't based on a CVS repository, so there aren't "committers"; there are Debian developers. There's a constitution and a secretary and.... |
| 00:55.07 | greycat | directhex: seems so. |
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| 00:55.16 | nailbiter | DarkCoiote: i'm sorry .. i don't really know why windows is re-hiding your FAT32 partition .. |
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| 00:55.20 | pzin | noclue, dns? |
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| 00:55.28 | ricochet | why cant i type: ifconfig eth0 metric 2 |
| 00:55.28 | directhex | greycat, clock ticked over without me noticing, at least in the uk. |
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| 00:55.31 | arke | gabbaGandalf: hoer bitte damit auf. es ist wirklich nicht lustig |
| 00:55.41 | greycat | arke: he's been silenced. Don't feed the trolls. |
| 00:55.47 | jeanpoldeux | where is the "official" center of debian based, if there's one ? |
| 00:55.49 | DarkCoiote | nailbiter: u cant be sure that is windows who is re-hiding |
| 00:55.56 | arke | greycat: sorry, typed that before i saw you ban him. |
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| 00:56.24 | greycat | jeanpoldeux: the Debian constitution and social contract |
| 00:56.30 | noclue | pzin, it seems lika dns problem. i sniffed both NIC interfaces: the dns request from the dns server arrives, but only the debian NAT and not the windows box |
| 00:56.33 | directhex | jeanpoldeux, at debian.org |
| 00:56.56 | jeanpoldeux | mmmh. no geographic place then. |
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| 00:57.30 | jbr | jeanpoldeux: I hear the average developer location turns out to be in Cambridge (UK) |
| 00:57.55 | directhex | Registrant Organization:Software in the Public Interest, Inc., Registrant City:Indianapolis |
| 00:57.58 | nailbiter | DarkCoiote: hmm .. are you still using lilo as your linux bootloader? |
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| 00:58.12 | jeanpoldeux | jbr: interresting. I will try to look for stats about development. |
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| 00:58.22 | DarkCoiote | no... i removed linux, lilo, formated the ntfs partition and reinstalled windows |
| 00:58.45 | lllegall | ok, I have dealt with this distro for 6 hours now including grub.conf and 2 times of unsuccessful 2.2 kernel based install, this 2.4 woody is up and running and setup was really straightforward and clear for 1sttimer, now I just need to add atm support to kernel, at installtime there was no atm module ... |
| 00:58.51 | nailbiter | DarkCoiote: then i have no clue what's hiding your partition. perhaps you could drop by #windows and ask the guys there? |
| 00:59.07 | DarkCoiote | now it isnt getting hidden |
| 00:59.24 | greycat | lllegall: does 2.4.18 have such a module? |
| 00:59.28 | DarkCoiote | but im pretty sure that if i reinstall linux, it ill be hiden |
| 00:59.43 | greycat | griffon:~$ grep ATM public_html/config-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 00:59.44 | greycat | # CONFIG_ATM is not set |
| 00:59.53 | greycat | lllegall: looks like you'll need to install a new kernel. |
| 01:00.21 | lllegall | that's what I had in mind :) |
| 01:00.26 | greycat | lllegall: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 01:01.10 | ricochet | how do I set a metric to a device? (i have a laptop with ethernet and wireless, i want it to favor the ethernet if its plugged in, so I want to assign the wireless a higher metric no? |
| 01:02.19 | DarkCoiote | ricochet: decrease the wireless data transfer speed? |
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| 01:02.32 | MrShea | I'll go sleep, gtn8 |
| 01:02.53 | tiwas | - |
| 01:02.59 | lllegall | dpkg: need an action option |
| 01:02.59 | dpkg | lllegall: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:03.08 | greycat | !kp |
| 01:03.08 | dpkg | kp is, like, To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 01:03.27 | ricochet | DarkCoiote, what does that mean? |
| 01:04.00 | lllegall | come again pls? |
| 01:04.15 | DarkCoiote | wireless, with lower data transfer speed, can stablish connections at further distances |
| 01:04.16 | nailbiter | DarkCoiote: well, lilo won't hide automatically partitions unless you explicitly tell it to. |
| 01:04.48 | DarkCoiote | nailbiter: if it is explicitly told, where it would be that? in the lilo.conf? |
| 01:05.10 | nailbiter | DarkCoiote: yes, it'd be in the lilo.conf. look for "set=DOS_hidden" or a similar line. |
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| 01:06.36 | DarkCoiote | nailbiter: nice... ill write this down |
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| 01:07.28 | ricochet | DarkCoiote, i think you misunderstood me. if my laptop has a eth wire in it, i want it to favor that route over the wireless card. |
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| 01:08.14 | nailbiter | DarkCoiote: it's in the lilo.conf(5) manpage, in the ALTERNATE SYSTEM section. |
| 01:09.12 | DarkCoiote | ricochet: that should be automatic..? |
| 01:09.37 | DarkCoiote | nailbiter: that escaped my eyes... ill look it deeper.... thanks |
| 01:09.44 | Gil | ricochet: maybe waproamd is what you want? |
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| 01:09.54 | ricochet | no DarkCoiote. |
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| 01:10.04 | michal | is ftp.debian.org dead? |
| 01:10.28 | chromakode_ | michal: responds to ping... |
| 01:10.34 | michal | doesn't for me |
| 01:10.38 | DarkCoiote | ricochet: then i really dont know :) |
| 01:10.41 | Gil | michal: nor me |
| 01:10.49 | Gil | michal: ah, there it goes :) |
| 01:10.51 | michal | 83 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 81997ms |
| 01:11.08 | chromakode_ | michal: 128.101.80.131 does not work for me. 208.185.25.35 does |
| 01:11.18 | Gil | michal: yep, same |
| 01:11.22 | chromakode_ | michal: it seems to route randomly |
| 01:11.42 | Gil | chromakode_: round-robin DNS |
| 01:11.48 | ricochet | Gil, nope, I want to specify the wireless (eth0) with a higher metric than the eth (eth1) so it will use the lower metric route if available. my problem is ifconfig eth0 metric 2 just says it cant do it. annoying |
| 01:12.02 | michal | it only ever routes to the non-working one for me though :/ |
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| 01:12.15 | Pepina | hola mundo :) |
| 01:12.17 | Gil | michal: try pinging it a few times |
| 01:12.26 | michal | Gil: 20 times isn't enough? :/ |
| 01:12.26 | DarkCoiote | nailbiter: I ve just checked the manpage again, and really looks like that this is it!... thanksss ;) |
| 01:12.33 | Gil | michal: with separate ping commands? |
| 01:12.57 | michal | yes.. seperate.. up to 30 now |
| 01:13.17 | DarkCoiote | nailbiter: now ill try, again, to install linux!... cya |
| 01:13.22 | michal | nothing to indicate that it's round robin here.. always the same ip |
| 01:13.38 | Guerin | michal: it IS, though. |
| 01:13.40 | Gil | michal: hm, well, it gives me one of two hosts here |
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| 01:14.19 | Guerin | I get the same behavior as Gil, FWIW |
| 01:14.23 | michal | ok.. so i'll set up while true ping -c 1 ftp.debian.org and go make myself a coffee :/ |
| 01:14.25 | Guerin | err, as chromakode_ |
| 01:14.41 | jeanpoldeux | The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on it. |
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| 01:14.54 | Guerin | michal: put a sleep 60 in there for sanity's sake |
| 01:15.03 | Gil | michal: if you really wanna ping it ... |
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| 01:15.18 | Guerin | jeanpoldeux: tat's been the case for ages. We're talking about one of the actual servrs |
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| 01:15.41 | michal | Guerin: but you know very well that i'm NOT sane :P |
| 01:15.51 | Guerin | michal: don't I just. |
| 01:16.13 | thomas_adam | You'll cope. |
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| 01:17.44 | smacnay_ | does ploticus and gnuplot overlap each other in ability? I know that ploticus doesn't chart equations... |
| 01:18.02 | thomas_adam | smacnay_: gnuplot rocks. |
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| 01:18.56 | smacnay_ | thomas_adam: I have yet to find a situation it doesn't handle. Although, ploticus can graph to .htm |
| 01:19.04 | thomas_adam | smacnay_: Big deal. |
| 01:20.06 | epsilon | Which ports I need to open to get nfsd to run? The HOWTO says I must give fix ports to statd, lockd, mountd and open these + nfsd, portmap? |
| 01:20.11 | smacnay_ | thomas_adam: true. |
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| 01:20.42 | simonrvn | epsilon: make sure to edit /etc/hosts.(deny|allow) |
| 01:20.49 | epsilon | I have |
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| 01:21.27 | epsilon | Do I really need to bind 3 daemons to fix port and open firewall for 5 daemons? |
| 01:21.49 | simonrvn | easier to limit conns. via iptables |
| 01:22.05 | michal | argh.. is there no xine frontend that DOESN'T ned X11 libraries? |
| 01:22.34 | Guerin | michal: why would there be? |
| 01:22.58 | Gil | michal: aaxine! |
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| 01:23.21 | idnar | no directfb frontend? |
| 01:23.22 | michal | Guerin: so that i don't need to install all the x11 libraries on a system that won't be using them |
| 01:23.44 | michal | Gil: that's probably not terribly useful :P fbxine maybe |
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| 01:25.05 | Guerin | michal: Just use it from the cli. How do you expect to have a nifty ui without X windows? |
| 01:25.37 | michal | Guerin: i don't want any ui. i just want the display. the ui will be provided inside the video stream |
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| 01:27.24 | Eclipser | ... |
| 01:27.42 | michal | how is the support for the intel 865g graphics chipsets under linux? both framebuffer and X ? 2.4.x seemed to support a framebuffer for it but 2.6.x doesn't (as far as i could see) |
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| 01:28.27 | michal | 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02) |
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| 01:29.24 | michal | oh.. and also.. while I remember. does anyone here know a lot about pci riser cards and/or the pci bus in general? |
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| 01:31.11 | jeanpoldeux | hmmm. seems like most of the debian developers are located in germany. |
| 01:31.42 | Chameleon22 | got Nagios going ... yay me |
| 01:32.19 | michal | nah.. they're all over the world.. however most of the DVB developers and VDR developers are in Germany :/ |
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| 01:32.27 | Guerin | jeanpoldeux: most would probablt be an exaggeration |
| 01:32.27 | epsilon | explains why debian (and spin-offs) are so popular in germany |
| 01:32.33 | jbr | gnome-display-properties |
| 01:32.40 | jeanpoldeux | for a time, benjamin herrenschmidt did a lot for me. |
| 01:32.46 | jeanpoldeux | :) |
| 01:32.53 | jbr | oops, it's stealing my focus! |
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| 01:33.24 | Beschwa | ls |
| 01:33.42 | jeanpoldeux | Guerin: right, it's too strong. But Germany is big, and there are a _lot_ there. |
| 01:33.44 | Guerin | . .. pr0n |
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| 01:34.04 | Guerin | Beschwa: you next should be cd pr0n |
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| 01:34.13 | jeanpoldeux | Guerin: you speak morse now ? |
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| 01:34.24 | Guerin | haha |
| 01:34.26 | DarkCoiote | hey nailbiter |
| 01:34.32 | Beschwa | :D |
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| 01:34.40 | idnar | T M ? |
| 01:34.45 | idnar | no |
| 01:34.50 | idnar | that's - -- |
| 01:35.03 | jeanpoldeux | - -- .. ... . ...- .. .-.. |
| 01:35.08 | idnar | E I |
| 01:35.16 | WesleyRoch | fd |
| 01:35.25 | idnar | - .... .- -. -.- --. --- -.. ..-. --- .-. .. .-. ... ... .. ... -.-. .-. .. .--. - ... |
| 01:35.27 | ubb | what file do you need to view chinese on firefox? |
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| 01:36.15 | michal | bah. intel distributes the kernel modules for the video chipset in rpm's :/ |
| 01:36.21 | jeanpoldeux | ubb: xfonts-intl-asian ? |
| 01:36.27 | ubb | thx |
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| 01:36.58 | chromakode_ | down with rpm! |
| 01:37.21 | michal | friggin hell.. the modules should only be installed on systems with at least 256megs or ram.. is that a joke? |
| 01:37.34 | chromakode_ | I hope so |
| 01:37.38 | Jr-1 | hello all |
| 01:37.44 | jeanpoldeux | michal: welcome in intel's world. |
| 01:37.45 | Jr-1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:38.07 | chromakode_ | Jr-1: is it mounted ro? |
| 01:38.16 | michal | jeanpoldeux: so does that mean their network chipsets suck too? :P |
| 01:38.17 | theEnvoy | michal: they say that but their mods generally work under 128meg as well. alien deals with the rpm shit well |
| 01:38.18 | Jr-1 | surely not |
| 01:38.24 | DarkCoiote | hey nailbiter, can u help me to understand this manpage part? |
| 01:38.29 | Jr-1 | how can i remount ro ? |
| 01:39.10 | Jr-1 | is the command mount -o remount ro ? |
| 01:39.11 | jeanpoldeux | michal: no, that means intel tries always to push people to upgrade hardware. |
| 01:39.16 | michal | theEnvoy: alien often doesn't follow the rules for this sort of stuff as the upstream people usually don't even follow the redhat rules in the first place |
| 01:39.31 | michal | jeanpoldeux: it's not like they make memry chips though |
| 01:39.45 | theEnvoy | michal: true. this has just been my limited experience with one box |
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| 01:40.02 | theEnvoy | SUN's java rpm doesn't play well with alien for me |
| 01:40.09 | jbr | Jr-1: you want it rw, _not_ Read-Only - first "mount" to see if that's the problem |
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| 01:40.42 | theEnvoy | good god! i don't ever recall screwing up a kernel config this badly :/ |
| 01:40.57 | jeanpoldeux | !tell theEnvoy about jdk |
| 01:40.59 | michal | theEnvoy: that's why you shouldn't use the rpm nor alien on it.. there's a package specifically for debianizing the tarball |
| 01:41.09 | Jr-1 | jbr i'm sure that is the problem but i don't know how to remount it rw |
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| 01:41.29 | DarkCoiote | can someone help me configuing lilo, im not really sure what some things in the manpages means |
| 01:41.46 | michal | theEnvoy: apt-cache show mpkg-j2se |
| 01:41.56 | theEnvoy | jeanpoldeux: many thanks. i had forgotten about blackdown |
| 01:42.09 | michal | forget about blackdown :P use the sun one |
| 01:42.32 | theEnvoy | michal: thanks |
| 01:43.19 | petemc | itym j2se-package |
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| 01:43.39 | theEnvoy | does kernel-image-xxx-x-xxx have modules or is it just monolithic? |
| 01:43.48 | directhex | modular |
| 01:43.52 | directhex | and an initrd |
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| 01:44.01 | theEnvoy | directhex: neat. thanks :) |
| 01:44.27 | theEnvoy | directhex: do they just compile "most" mods? |
| 01:44.49 | directhex | theEnvoy, pretty much. including alsa AND oss on 2.6, curse them |
| 01:44.53 | theEnvoy | Guerin: good point. i'll shut up and just be drunk now :) |
| 01:45.06 | theEnvoy | directhex: very nice |
| 01:45.07 | deadlin3 | what is the command to add iptables route for NAT to forward and accept packets from dns server? |
| 01:45.21 | theEnvoy | sorry, I'm a recovering red hat dork |
| 01:45.35 | Guerin | (Hi theEnvoy) |
| 01:45.40 | theEnvoy | i really love Debian. I'm just getting used to the differences |
| 01:45.49 | theEnvoy | (Hi Guerin) |
| 01:45.50 | Guerin | come on everyone, show some SUPPORT |
| 01:45.51 | gato | Debian rocks! :D |
| 01:45.58 | greycat | Guerin: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5371411 Jul 7 19:28 /bsd* |
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| 01:46.21 | greycat | Guerin: bring it on. PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD just make a "GENERIC" linux kernel and *end* the madness. |
| 01:46.23 | theEnvoy | Debian is just so damn well thought out. And try apt-get'ing scsh on Fedora! |
| 01:46.27 | noclue | s |
| 01:46.30 | Guerin | greycat: that's almost as big as simonrvn's |
| 01:46.39 | jeanpoldeux | theEnvoy: you will love the apt-get difference first, and everything then. |
| 01:46.41 | noclue | hi guerin, remember my NAT forwarding problem? |
| 01:46.47 | greycat | There is NO REASON why the words "kernel configuration" should ever be uttered in this channel.... |
| 01:46.52 | Guerin | greycat: heheh. Stock kernel.org for you, then? |
| 01:47.04 | theEnvoy | jeanpoldeux: i love the fathomless packages available too |
| 01:47.05 | greycat | Guerin: no, that's where the madness BEGINS! |
| 01:47.08 | The_Vulture | Guerin: stock debian kernel image more likely.. |
| 01:47.13 | Guerin | right |
| 01:47.22 | greycat | Guerin: why the hell is the default configuration for Linux an SMP Pentium III instead of 80386? |
| 01:47.36 | DarkCoiote | In the manpage, about lilo.conf, the part of Alternate Systems, the change topic, could someone explain the part of set=____ ? what options i ve to put here? |
| 01:47.47 | Guerin | greycat: damn good question. |
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| 01:47.59 | Guerin | noclue: I don't remember you at all. |
| 01:48.26 | noclue | Guerin, deadline|calmeddown... |
| 01:48.35 | tvn | I can't seem to use cdparanoia as user - is there something I need to do ? |
| 01:48.44 | Guerin | noclue: ah, vaguely. |
| 01:48.49 | greycat | tvn: you need read perms on the raw CD device |
| 01:49.02 | greycat | tvn: and if it's SCSI, you need read (and write?) perms on the sg* device. |
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| 01:49.14 | jeanpoldeux | tvn: adduser user cdrom |
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| 01:50.06 | wind2 | can anybody tell me, how do I find the hardware device name of eth0 ? |
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| 01:50.26 | greycat | wind2: dmesg |
| 01:50.26 | Guerin | wind2: ifconfig |
| 01:50.30 | tvn | I am already in the cdrom group - the device is /dev/scd1 has permision brw-rw---- 1 root cdrom < which looks right , right ? |
| 01:50.44 | greycat | tvn: 21:49 greycat> tvn: and if it's SCSI, you need read (and write?) perms on the sg* device. |
| 01:51.08 | DENSOFT | zdesj kto nibutj govorit voobs4e po russki ??? |
| 01:51.15 | tvn | what's a sg device ? |
| 01:51.16 | greycat | !russian |
| 01:51.16 | dpkg | i guess russian is Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) (and , screw troy) |
| 01:51.23 | greycat | tvn: /dev/sg0 or /dev/sg1 or whatever. |
| 01:51.25 | DarkCoiote | can someone help me configuing lilo, with alternate system? i dont know what can i put at the set= thing |
| 01:51.25 | greycat | SCSI Generic. |
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| 01:51.43 | noclue | Guerin, i had problem with my debian NAT box to forward connection to a win pc. that works only for ipadresses, hostnames are not reachable by the win box. dns is configured ok on win box and debian NAT. maybe i should add a rule to iptables for forwarding and accessing packets from the dns server? u sniffed both NIC's: the packets are sent to the dns server and they actually come back, but are stopped by the debian NAT box. what am i doing wron |
| 01:51.43 | noclue | g? |
| 01:51.49 | greycat | hah |
| 01:52.26 | noclue | :) |
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| 01:52.34 | Guerin | noclue: does your win box have nameservers configured? |
| 01:52.46 | tvn | greycat: it's an ide drive, I use scsi simulation - the device turns out to be scd* ... I don't know if there's any /dev/sg related to it |
| 01:52.55 | noclue | Guerin, yes, the same like the NAT in resolv.conf |
| 01:53.12 | greycat | tvn: DON'T make me say it a third time. |
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| 01:53.35 | DENSOFT | ????? ??? ?????? ??????? ?? ?????? ??? |
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| 01:53.43 | jeanpoldeux | tvn: scd* is a symlink to sg* |
| 01:53.52 | Guerin | noclue: this has always been done automatically |
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| 01:53.55 | Guerin | for me |
| 01:54.00 | greycat | jeanpoldeux: wrong. |
| 01:54.04 | wind2 | greycat cant find it there |
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| 01:54.15 | greycat | wind2: WHAT are you trying to do? |
| 01:54.37 | wind2 | I have multiple nics on my Server --- I will find out, which nic is eth0 |
| 01:54.53 | noclue | Guerin, i installed ipmasq, and the output of the rules seem like that everything is ok, maybe im wrong...wanna see it? |
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| 01:54.58 | Guerin | wind2: the one in the first pci slot |
| 01:55.14 | wind2 | I dont know this Guerin (didnt see the Server before) |
| 01:55.30 | Guerin | noclue: the default ipmasq config forwards ALL traffic originating from within - including DNS requests |
| 01:55.41 | noclue | oh ok |
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| 01:55.48 | greycat | wind2: eth0 will be whichever module you loaded first in /etc/modules. eth1 will be the second one. |
| 01:55.53 | Guerin | wind2: (presuming it's pc1/x86) |
| 01:55.57 | Guerin | pci |
| 01:56.20 | noclue | Guerin, is there a ipmasq config-file i can edit with and editor? |
| 01:56.37 | wind2 | haa |
| 01:56.40 | wind2 | I got it |
| 01:56.42 | wind2 | easy way |
| 01:56.44 | tvn | greycat: oh ok - got it - I was not aware I have to change setting of the /dev/sg* - thanks |
| 01:56.48 | greycat | noclue: if ipmasq doesn't Just Work(tm), then fuck it. Read the IP Masquerading howto and write your own firewall boot script. |
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| 01:56.56 | wind2 | lspci -v then ifconfig -- then compare interrupt and IO Adress :-) |
| 01:57.00 | Guerin | noclue: yeah, I expect it will be in /etc/ipmasq someplace |
| 01:57.15 | greycat | oh yes, that's so much easier than reading /etc/modules. |
| 01:57.24 | greycat | !permasunday |
| 01:57.24 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! |
| 01:57.36 | vittorio | ive installed debian testing on sda, did a "dd sda->sdc" for system backup. changed (swaped drive) sdc to be sdd. but now it doesnt boot anymore. only if i remove sdd. does anyone have a clue why this is the case? grub? this always worked with debian woody/lilo |
| 01:57.49 | DarkCoiote | *-* can someone help me configuing lilo, with alternate system? i dont know what i can put at the set= thing |
| 01:57.57 | jeanpoldeux | greycat: ah right. is then sg* to burn and scd* to read ? |
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| 01:58.12 | MerlinCorey | lol... greycat, what's with that one..? |
| 01:58.40 | greycat | jeanpoldeux: the sg* device is used for CD-DA extraction because CD-DA is arcane evil black magic voodoo. scd* or sr* is used for everything else. |
| 01:59.01 | greycat | jeanpoldeux: oh yeah, sg* may also be used for audio CD *playing*. I'm not sure. |
| 01:59.31 | jeanpoldeux | also cdrecord look for sg*. mount for scd*. |
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| 02:01.15 | ninevolt | relatively new to linux, just installed debian on an -ancient- laptop.. |
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| 02:01.39 | ninevolt | internet works here, i take it to my gf's and dns don't resolve |
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| 02:01.57 | ninevolt | dhclient doesn't complain but doesn't seem to do anything useful either.. |
| 02:02.15 | ninevolt | should i look into something like divine? |
| 02:02.19 | da | a quick question, how to set up the timing for my pc to be in standby mode? |
| 02:02.26 | da | I've recompiled the kernel with ACPI support |
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| 02:02.41 | da | and the timing for monitor turn-off |
| 02:04.16 | DarkCoiote | can someone tell me what can i put at the set=? (lilo.conf(5) manpage, line 731) or where i can find a list of options |
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| 02:04.45 | Guerin | DarkCoiote: you need to ask less frequently |
| 02:04.58 | Guerin | DarkCoiote: and your list of option should be in man lilo.conf |
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| 02:05.08 | DarkCoiote | thaks |
| 02:05.23 | sohail | hey if im downloading debian for fun, should id ownload stable or testing |
| 02:05.40 | Guerin | ninevolt: how are you connecting to the internet? |
| 02:05.41 | sohail | and why are there 13 torrents |
| 02:05.45 | GregorR | Would anybody be interested in testing my hopefull distribution-independent installation system? I'm trying to get users of all distros to test it, since it really has no point otherwise . . A test pack is available at http://gsff.codu.org/getsffile.php?file=freeciv-1.14.1-install.tar.bz2 , feel free to /msg me if you test it and it doesn't (or does) work, or if you want more info. Thank you for any interest :) |
| 02:05.46 | Guerin | sohail: depends on what you mean by fun |
| 02:05.54 | Guerin | sohail: there are 13 CDs |
| 02:06.01 | jeanpoldeux | what's the average time for asking again a stupid question that already contains half of the answer ? |
| 02:06.02 | sohail | Guerin fun means im probably gonna use it to do some experimentation with the linux kernel |
| 02:06.04 | ninevolt | no laptop people around? :P |
| 02:06.17 | ninevolt | Guerin: lan to cable |
| 02:06.25 | ninevolt | soon to be wlan to calbe |
| 02:06.28 | ninevolt | cable even |
| 02:06.35 | DarkCoiote | Guerin: i dont ask thaaat often, and this question was very direct |
| 02:06.38 | Guerin | ninevolt: This is almost certainly not a laptop-specific query |
| 02:06.59 | Guerin | sohail: probably sarge then, since woody doesn't play nice with 2.6 kernels |
| 02:07.00 | ninevolt | i don't know how often people lug their pc to a different net connection.. |
| 02:07.11 | jeanpoldeux | I'm interrested, in the way I sometime ask very stupid questions too. |
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| 02:07.21 | Guerin | ninevolt: Ok, so you plug into her gateway computer |
| 02:07.29 | sohail | Guerin what is this sarge |
| 02:07.39 | ninevolt | straight into the cable modem |
| 02:07.46 | ninevolt | sorry :P |
| 02:07.57 | Guerin | ninevolt: you get an ip by dhcp from it? |
| 02:08.03 | DarkCoiote | Guerin: if it isnt at lilo.conf where would u look for? |
| 02:08.08 | Segers_J | thomas_adam: sorry,afk for a while, the thing in flood, the redirects were wrong therfore giftd never got started when called by using the full path (by cron). |
| 02:08.09 | Guerin | sohail: woody = stable, sarge = testing |
| 02:08.13 | ninevolt | i ran dhclient and it didn't complain, so i'm assuming so.. |
| 02:08.19 | Guerin | DarkCoiote: no idea, I don't use lilo. |
| 02:08.28 | ninevolt | but then i tried apt-get update |
| 02:08.35 | DarkCoiote | Guerin: thanks for ur time |
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| 02:08.44 | ninevolt | and it crapped out on all my sources, something about failing to resolve dns.. |
| 02:08.45 | Guerin | ninevolt: run it, then do ifconfig to see if you get an ip address and the interface comes up |
| 02:08.50 | thomas_adam | Segers_J: Yes, indeed. |
| 02:09.03 | ninevolt | ok, and if not? |
| 02:09.26 | Ugly_Duck | any one know much about fetchmail? i have set it up and also setup a .fetchmail.rc file in the home directory, i wana make sure using smtphost that i have it setup right; any one able to take a look for me? |
| 02:09.30 | foobarto | foo |
| 02:09.31 | Guerin | ninevolt: test it by pinging a known ip address - if that works, it's a dns issue |
| 02:09.42 | DarkCoiote | Ill see if i can install grub |
| 02:09.49 | sohail | hey Guerin whats this businesscard iso http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
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| 02:09.55 | Guerin | ninevolt: which casn be resolved by adding a nameserver or two to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 02:10.01 | ninevolt | many thanks |
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| 02:10.11 | Guerin | sohail: that's the sarge daily |
| 02:10.16 | directhex | sohail, doesn't include debian_base |
| 02:10.29 | directhex | sohail, which is wgetted on run |
| 02:10.31 | Guerin | sohail: if you have fast internet, it should work just peachy |
| 02:10.32 | sohail | so i probably want the net install right since i dont have 13 cd's |
| 02:10.37 | Ugly_Duck | poll pop3.domain.com proto POP3 |
| 02:10.37 | Ugly_Duck | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.37 | Ugly_Duck | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.55 | zinx | sohail: or you can download the first/second CD |
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| 02:11.09 | zinx | sohail: the CDs are sorted by popularity |
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| 02:11.24 | zinx | sohail: with very commonly needed package on the first CD, less common on second, and so on |
| 02:11.25 | Guerin | sohail: I used exactly that about five days ago to install two PCs, and it was flawless. Everything auto-detected except one sound card |
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| 02:14.37 | zinx | Guerin: i used it on a gateway laptop of some sort.. autodetected everything :/ |
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| 02:14.55 | zinx | Guerin: though I didn't install X and such... maybe the video card would have been less fortunate, i dunno ;) |
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| 02:16.15 | deucehaus | i just installed mplayer and now i want to remove it. when i installed it, there were a lot of dependencies installed with it. how do i remove those dependencies that aren't being used now? |
| 02:16.34 | jeanpoldeux | deucehaus: you can use deborphan |
| 02:16.39 | Guerin | zinx: I only did X on one of my boxen, and it was faultless. Correct resolution, mouse, mousewheel, the whole kit. |
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| 02:17.01 | zinx | Guerin: no xf86config now? |
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| 02:17.04 | nmmn | hey guys,can u help me? |
| 02:17.12 | jeanpoldeux | no |
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| 02:17.15 | deucehaus | jeanpoldeux, is it reliable? |
| 02:17.21 | Segers_J | !tell nmmn about ask |
| 02:17.33 | Guerin | zinx: no, I still had to choose a few options, but I didn't tell it much of anything, it just knew |
| 02:17.40 | zinx | Guerin: cool |
| 02:17.47 | jeanpoldeux | deucehaus: I'm not sure to understand what _reliable_ is (I'm french) :p |
| 02:18.09 | nmmn | I need help configuring adsl router on Damn Small Linux (knoppix generic) |
| 02:18.09 | Guerin | jeanpoldeux: can you rely on it? can you trust it? |
| 02:18.13 | The_Vulture | jeanpoldeux: something you can rely or depend on to perform it's task without failing |
| 02:18.21 | Guerin | !nondeb damnsmalllinux |
| 02:18.21 | dpkg | Go to channel #damnsmalllinux for help with damnsmalllinux. If damnsmalllinux was Debian, it would be called Debian and not damnsmalllinux. |
| 02:18.25 | Segers_J | jeanpoldeux: /msg dpkg dict reliable |
| 02:18.42 | deucehaus | jeanpoldeux: what i mean, is will it accurately remove what i want, but not stuff i need? well, thanks, i'll try it and see |
| 02:18.43 | jeanpoldeux | Segers_J: right, I forgot !dict ;) |
| 02:18.55 | jeanpoldeux | deucehaus: you can trust it. |
| 02:18.56 | nmmn | nobody's there! |
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| 02:19.10 | jeanpoldeux | nmmn: just ask you question |
| 02:19.10 | jbr | nmmn: not even you |
| 02:19.16 | Guerin | nmmn: better try to find another support forum then. You might haave luck in #knoppix |
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| 02:20.22 | Ox0F0-0FF | lol |
| 02:20.30 | Ox0F0-0FF | "Microsoft" using aol |
| 02:20.33 | Ox0F0-0FF | poor guy |
| 02:20.35 | jeanpoldeux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:21.54 | dumbintel | do any of you do vector graphics if so, what is a good program for *nix? |
| 02:22.06 | dumbintel | for debian... |
| 02:22.28 | zinx | dumbintel: sodipodi |
| 02:22.30 | Segers_J | dumbintel: illustrator under wine sucks. |
| 02:22.30 | The_Vulture | dumbintel: apt-cache search vector graphics |
| 02:22.38 | The_Vulture | doesn't turn up too many results |
| 02:22.40 | The_Vulture | enough |
| 02:22.44 | nailbiter | dumbintel: 'inkscape' is a reasonable workalike of CorelDraw .. |
| 02:23.27 | Segers_J | dumbintel: at least it did about 8 months ago. |
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| 02:24.16 | MattS | i have a question. does any version of debian use floppy-emulation? if so which one |
| 02:24.30 | bluefox83 | how do i format /dev/hdb to ext3 ? |
| 02:24.32 | jeanpoldeux | I've been playing about one month with blender, free software can be just fucking amazing proffessional. |
| 02:25.11 | nailbiter | bluefox83: partition the disk first. :) |
| 02:25.20 | bluefox83 | nailbiter, i'm using the whole drive |
| 02:25.29 | bluefox83 | as storage |
| 02:25.31 | Demandred | you still need to create a single ext2/3 partition |
| 02:25.45 | bluefox83 | how do i do that? |
| 02:25.48 | Demandred | fdisk |
| 02:25.49 | nailbiter | bluefox83: in that case, 'mke2fs -j /dev/hdb' be careful not to mistake it for an unpartitioned disk afterward, though. :) |
| 02:25.55 | Guerin | bluefox83: cfdisk to create the partition, mkfs.ext3 to format it |
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| 02:26.18 | bluefox83 | will that set it to ext3? |
| 02:26.18 | deadcat | bluefox83: dont you need to partition it first? |
| 02:26.30 | Guerin | nailbiter: how will he mount it without a partition table? |
| 02:26.31 | Segers_J | bluefox83: cfdisk then mkfs.<something> ext3 for the something maybe? |
| 02:26.38 | nailbiter | Guerin: 'mount /dev/hdb /mnt' that works. |
| 02:26.48 | deadcat | bluefox83: use cfdisk /dev/hdb to partition. then mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdbX |
| 02:26.54 | bluefox83 | deadcat, probably, right now i can't mount it to see what OS is on it, and the format disk that came with the drive can't do anything with it..i think i hosed it.. |
| 02:27.09 | Guerin | nailbiter: funky. I tried the same a few days ago, and I got no superblock blah blah until I made a partitiona table |
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| 02:27.51 | nailbiter | Guerin: i deal with memory sticks which turn up as unpartitioned /dev/sdX devices .. |
| 02:27.57 | bluefox83 | cfdisk doesn't work, any more ideas? |
| 02:28.07 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 02:28.07 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 02:28.19 | madcheez | Does anyone know how I would change my source outgoing IP address to use on my debian server? I googled with no luck :/ T |
| 02:28.21 | Guerin | bluefox83: cfdisk DOES fucking work, if you use it right |
| 02:28.34 | bluefox83 | debian:/home/bluefox# cfdisk /dev/hdb |
| 02:28.34 | Guerin | madcheez: use a proxy? |
| 02:28.34 | bluefox83 | bash: cfdisk: command not found |
| 02:28.42 | Demandred | bluefox83: are you root? |
| 02:28.43 | Guerin | bluefox83: so FUCKING INSTALL IT |
| 02:28.50 | jeanpoldeux | !fuck |
| 02:28.50 | dpkg | i heard fuck is a wonderful, versitile word, that you should use as often as you can. http://www.fartfarm.com/FWORD32_.wav |
| 02:28.52 | bluefox83 | Guerin, it is installed |
| 02:28.59 | madcheez | Guerin: no, I want to use my config'ed ips |
| 02:28.59 | scarynetworkguy | cfdisk works everytime I use it. He's a good little app |
| 02:29.03 | Guerin | bluefox83: you're root, so check your path |
| 02:29.07 | nailbiter | bluefox83: you want to see what's on the disk? try listing the partition table first, with a 'fdisk -l /dev/hdb' |
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| 02:29.26 | deadcat | bluefox83: type -all cfdisk |
| 02:29.29 | jeanpoldeux | there's a fault, it's versatile, not versitile. |
| 02:29.35 | bluefox83 | dangit, fdisk returns command not found too :X |
| 02:29.37 | Guerin | madcheez: I don't really grok your question |
| 02:29.43 | nailbiter | bluefox83: are you root, to begin with? |
| 02:29.51 | deadcat | bluefox83: your path is fucked. else your machine is fucked. |
| 02:29.56 | bluefox83 | ... |
| 02:29.59 | Guerin | he's got a root $PS1 |
| 02:30.04 | bluefox83 | you can't tell from what i8 pasted that i'm root? |
| 02:30.10 | bluefox83 | -8 |
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| 02:30.23 | nailbiter | bluefox83: oops, didn't read. can you do a "echo $PATH"? |
| 02:30.27 | madcheez | guerin: I have 4 IPs configed on my server, eth0, eth0:0 eth0:1, eth0:3, and eth0:3, I want to use another like eth0:1, or 2 for outhgoing IP |
| 02:30.30 | deadcat | bluefox83: cus you fucking su instead of su - right? |
| 02:30.43 | Guerin | bluefox83: updatedb && locate fdisk |
| 02:30.49 | bluefox83 | debian:/home/bluefox# echo $PATH |
| 02:30.50 | madcheez | anyone else understand what Im saying? |
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| 02:31.12 | c0mpub0mb | anyone know of any php5 .deb repositories ?.. |
| 02:31.17 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.20 | nailbiter | c0mpub0mb: http://dotdeb.org |
| 02:31.22 | DarkCoiote | hey nailbiter, can u give me a little help to finishing the lilo.conf? |
| 02:31.24 | Guerin | c0mpub0mb: dotdeb.org |
| 02:31.27 | bluefox83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.28 | Guerin | ehh |
| 02:31.40 | bluefox83 | sorry, didn't think it would try to run that line.. |
| 02:31.41 | madcheez | Guerin: yea, would you have any idea how to do this? |
| 02:31.48 | nailbiter | DarkCoiote: oh, you're writing one from scratch? |
| 02:31.53 | DarkCoiote | no |
| 02:32.01 | Guerin | madcheez: none, sorry. Never done it. |
| 02:32.01 | DarkCoiote | editing the alternate system part |
| 02:32.11 | nailbiter | bluefox83: hm. do a 'file -L /sbin/fdisk'? |
| 02:32.24 | DarkCoiote | nailbiter: can i pvt u, to show my doubt? |
| 02:32.39 | nailbiter | DarkCoiote: ok |
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| 02:33.00 | Demandred | bluefox83: er... no fdisk/cfdisk even though you're root... maybe try "apt-get install cfdisk" |
| 02:33.03 | bluefox83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.03 | bluefox83 | /sbin/cfdisk: ERROR: cannot open (/sbin/cfdisk) |
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| 02:33.15 | Guerin | bluefox83: updatedb && locate fdisk |
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| 02:33.27 | Guerin | or dpkg -l cfdisk |
| 02:33.37 | bluefox83 | Guerin, it's updating, don't get your panties in a bind |
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| 02:33.43 | nailbiter | bluefox83: looks like you're missing a /sbin/cfdisk binary. try (re)installing the cfdisk package? |
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| 02:33.55 | scarynetworkguy | world gone mad |
| 02:34.05 | jeanpoldeux | scarynetworkguy: heh. |
| 02:34.08 | De_Mon | is it still national retard day? |
| 02:34.11 | Guerin | a computer without cfdisk is a horrible thing |
| 02:34.22 | MattS | i have a question. does any version of debian use floppy-emulation? if so which one |
| 02:34.27 | scarynetworkguy | De_Mon, according to my watch yes yes it is |
| 02:34.30 | Guerin | De_Mon: until further notice. |
| 02:34.36 | Segers_J | Guerin: I _think_ cfdisk is part of util-linux |
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| 02:35.05 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, seeing as how cfdisk is part of base I'm wondering where the hell it went |
| 02:35.11 | Guerin | Segers_J: Yeah, i think so |
| 02:35.13 | jeanpoldeux | Segers_J: you are right |
| 02:35.15 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: yeah |
| 02:35.17 | bluefox83 | cfdisk is part of the util-linux package |
| 02:35.20 | bluefox83 | which i have |
| 02:35.24 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, pretty damn odd |
| 02:35.38 | De_Mon | scarynetworkguy don't forget what today is |
| 02:35.53 | De_Mon | *anything* is possible today |
| 02:36.09 | jeanpoldeux | the carotts are eating bunnies today |
| 02:36.11 | t-jack | Who De_Mon? |
| 02:36.12 | amphi | De_Mon: the sabbat of the undead? |
| 02:36.14 | zinx | De_Man: hah, that only happens once in a blue moon |
| 02:36.14 | Guerin | noooo |
| 02:36.30 | De_Mon | t-jack who what? |
| 02:36.35 | De_Mon | t-jack oh, I am! |
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| 02:37.15 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, not like it has thumbs or anything |
| 02:37.17 | MasterYoda | cafuego: u around? |
| 02:37.25 | Guerin | !u |
| 02:37.25 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 02:37.43 | De_Mon | !ne1 |
| 02:37.43 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 02:37.44 | Guerin | MasterYoda: I know that old green jedi masters have funky english, but you could at least TRY |
| 02:37.52 | Segers_J | Guerin: watch them carefully, last time they made a ballista out of old celery and put a sweet potato through the door of my fridge ;) |
| 02:38.02 | MasterYoda | English I am still learning |
| 02:38.04 | jeanpoldeux | hehehe |
| 02:38.06 | Guerin | Segers_J: damn, that's bad |
| 02:38.07 | MasterYoda | try harder, next time I will |
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| 02:38.14 | deadcat | souldnt it be around, are you? |
| 02:38.18 | De_Mon | oh, too bad, I was hoping it would say (see u) |
| 02:38.18 | Guerin | MasterYoda: very good, that is. |
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| 02:38.33 | Matthew_I | cafuego: u around? |
| 02:38.41 | pzin | :) |
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| 02:38.58 | jeanpoldeux | _anything_ possible |
| 02:38.59 | Guerin | Segers_J: I've only got two, and all the other veg in there is leafy stuff, so I don't expect much resistance. I might sacrifice one to Bunny later though... |
| 02:39.05 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, no see Yoda acutually had a grammer. Hell it was even on one of my tests in school and he used real words. :) |
| 02:39.09 | Segers_J | hahahahah |
| 02:39.23 | bluefox83 | In order to write the partition table cfdisk needs something called the |
| 02:39.23 | bluefox83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.23 | bluefox83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.23 | Guerin | Matthew_I: you have even less excuse than MasterYoda |
| 02:39.28 | Matthew_I | Just messing with you guys |
| 02:39.30 | Matthew_I | I am masteryoda |
| 02:39.37 | scarynetworkguy | bluefox83, no in here |
| 02:39.37 | bluefox83 | think you guys forgot to tell me something... |
| 02:39.42 | MasterYoda | Matthew_I: no your not |
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| 02:39.53 | Matthew_I | MasterYoda: I am too, dummy |
| 02:40.04 | MasterYoda | Matthew_I: Don't insult me like that |
| 02:40.05 | jeanpoldeux | bluefox83: ah yes, we forgot to tell you about rtfm |
| 02:40.19 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: I had an anthropology lecturer who looked like jasper carrott and talked like master yoda. |
| 02:40.24 | Matthew_I | MasterYoda: fool, we are sitting in front of the same screen, get it together luser |
| 02:41.00 | jeanpoldeux | it's a real schyzophrennic case |
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| 02:41.05 | bluefox83 | jeanpoldeux, someone always tells me that when i come in here, whenever they're just too much of an ass to realise i already read the fucking manual and i don't understand it |
| 02:41.09 | MasterYoda | Matthew_I: right you are. I conceded, know our secret, do these people now |
| 02:41.10 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, very cool. I had a prof that liked made up languages it made for some fun classes |
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| 02:41.22 | Guerin | heh |
| 02:41.23 | jeanpoldeux | bluefox83: that was just a joke. |
| 02:41.38 | Guerin | bluefox83: don't get your knickers in a knot. |
| 02:41.44 | De_Mon | MasterYoda its a cryin shame when a troll has to feed itself |
| 02:41.51 | Segers_J | bluefox83: I would expect the drive's geometry to be published on the manufacturer's web page. |
| 02:41.57 | t-jack | Guerin: Kickban the both, I suggest... |
| 02:41.59 | MasterYoda | well since cafuego is not around maybe some one else can help |
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| 02:42.03 | korn | hey |
| 02:42.04 | bluefox83 | Guerin, too late, they've been knotting up on me all day D= |
| 02:42.08 | korn | how come the mirrors on Debian are so slow? |
| 02:42.17 | MasterYoda | I have a laptop that i Installed with a reiser file system |
| 02:42.25 | De_Mon | wow |
| 02:42.28 | Guerin | korn: mine gives me about 300kBps |
| 02:42.38 | korn | well with mines are so slow |
| 02:42.40 | bluefox83 | mine gives me 400k O.O |
| 02:42.45 | Guerin | MasterYoda: ah, you're THAT muppet |
| 02:42.46 | MasterYoda | cafuego reccommend I used ext3 instead |
| 02:42.51 | t-jack | MasterYoda: Trollmaster, you are? hmmm> |
| 02:42.54 | t-jack | ? |
| 02:43.00 | MasterYoda | I, of course did not listen |
| 02:43.02 | scarynetworkguy | Segers_J, not really in the year 2004 he should not have to do that by hand. If he is getting that something is seriously screwed up |
| 02:43.11 | cafuego | MasterYoda: I am around, I'm just busy with important things. |
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| 02:43.34 | MasterYoda | cafuego: is the reiser causing the dma and irq errors with the hd when I suspend? |
| 02:43.38 | t-jack | phooey nev mind |
| 02:43.39 | SNAP_ | Hi ! How I see the Kernel version ? |
| 02:43.43 | korn | damn... |
| 02:43.45 | cafuego | MasterYoda: No idea. |
| 02:43.46 | MasterYoda | cafuego: will I still get this stuff if I switch to ext3 |
| 02:43.50 | Guerin | SNAP_: uname -r |
| 02:43.50 | cafuego | MasterYoda: .. but I doubt it. |
| 02:43.55 | amphi | MasterYoda: reiser works fine for me on a laptop, except that you can't increase the disk flush interval more than 30secs; at least I didn't find a way |
| 02:43.58 | simonrvn | SNAP_: man uname |
| 02:44.04 | korn | darn it .. what can i do? |
| 02:44.13 | Guerin | korn: try a different mirror |
| 02:44.20 | Segers_J | scarynetworkguy: oh, ok. It's been about 2 years since I ran cfdisk. |
| 02:44.27 | MasterYoda | cafuego: well then I won't switch, it still suspends but it takes a bit |
| 02:44.27 | Guerin | korn: or get a better intarweb connection |
| 02:44.35 | MasterYoda | cafuego: thanks for your time |
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| 02:44.55 | c0mpub0mb | Guerin: thank you so much :) |
| 02:45.00 | c0mpub0mb | i hate compiling php heh.. |
| 02:45.05 | c0mpub0mb | it's such a bitch |
| 02:45.06 | c0mpub0mb | heh |
| 02:45.15 | SNAP_ | My kernel is 2.2.20-compact. How I upgrade to 2.6 ? |
| 02:45.27 | Guerin | SNAP_: with great difficulty. |
| 02:45.30 | scarynetworkguy | Segers_J, yea in general on modern harddrives if you have to mess with anything that low level you have left the path of wisdom |
| 02:45.42 | t-jack | Well now it seems my /dev/dsp has gone missing again. And I go deeper in the shit by installing some outlaw kernel-image. |
| 02:45.46 | Guerin | !tell SNAP_ about real kernel |
| 02:45.48 | c0mpub0mb | nailbiter: ty.. |
| 02:45.50 | De_Mon | FIGURES directx9c D3d screws up my video.. |
| 02:45.51 | jeanpoldeux | Guerin: you're hard. |
| 02:45.56 | bluefox83 | SNAP_, with much prayer and profanity i am sure.. |
| 02:46.00 | scarynetworkguy | !tell c0mpub0mb about enter |
| 02:46.12 | SNAP_ | :) It's possible use the APT to upgrade the kernel to 2.6 ? |
| 02:46.26 | Segers_J | korn: if you're in the US, berkley and Umichigan were the fastest mirrors I could find for various things, dunno if they have debian mirrors. |
| 02:46.26 | bluefox83 | SNAP_, i wouldn't if i were you |
| 02:46.34 | Guerin | SNAP_: woody (which you have, unless you've changed anything) doesn't do 2.6 kernels |
| 02:46.43 | jcole_s91 | what's the autoconfig tool in debian for wireless adapters? |
| 02:46.47 | t-jack | bluefox83: Helluva juxtaposition, prayer and cussing... |
| 02:47.02 | bluefox83 | lol |
| 02:47.03 | scarynetworkguy | SNAP_, why do you want a 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:47.16 | Guerin | SNAP_: It's possible, but it can be painful. /msg dpkg bunk. You might consider upgrading to testing - /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 02:47.23 | jeanpoldeux | jcole_s91: wireless-tools ? |
| 02:47.25 | SNAP_ | to test.. :) This is my first Debian installation ! |
| 02:47.26 | Covener | jcole_s91: Don't think there is one. wireless-tools adds extensions that you can use in your /etc/network/interaces though |
| 02:47.38 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: cha-ching! |
| 02:47.48 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, I learned from the best. :) |
| 02:47.49 | SNAP_ | I select the Compact install. Is the best for new users ? |
| 02:47.55 | jeanpoldeux | SNAP_: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:48.26 | t-jack | SNAP_: Might I suggest a re-install? This time, use the latest Woddy network install floppies. |
| 02:48.58 | jeanpoldeux | t-jack: why ? if he's booting... |
| 02:49.02 | theEnvoy | Guerin: i've apt-got 'real kernel' my understanding is that the install will *not* alter my lilo.conf and that I must add the initrd business to lilo.conf myself (which I can do, np... just want to make sure I'm doing things the Debian way :) |
| 02:49.08 | SNAP_ | I download all the 7 ISO Debian 3r2. |
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| 02:49.19 | jeanpoldeux | whoa |
| 02:49.20 | SNAP_ | what's the Woddy floppys ? |
| 02:49.31 | Guerin | theEnvoy: yup. |
| 02:49.32 | jeanpoldeux | you're crazy |
| 02:49.44 | Guerin | theEnvoy: which a big PITA |
| 02:49.46 | SNAP_ | i'm using at VMWARE |
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| 02:50.13 | t-jack | jeanpoldeux: I took all 8... when the only working comp I had was WinXP. |
| 02:50.15 | Guerin | SNAP_: .... |
| 02:50.18 | theEnvoy | Guerin: again, many thanks. i had rolled a kernel with a resulting .deb and it did alter lilo.conf so I was a bit confused :) |
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| 02:50.52 | jeanpoldeux | t-jack: I downloaded a 100Megs install cd. I still have it. |
| 02:51.19 | jcole_s91 | Covener: ok, i used a wireless autoconfig tool in knoppix... maybe the knoppix guys wrote their own tool or i need a special apt source... |
| 02:51.41 | t-jack | SNAP_: Might I suggest a re-install? This time, on first boot prompt, instead of just pressing <enter> type in <bf24>. You -did- say you installed through the 7CD? |
| 02:51.42 | Covener | jcole_s91: I don't understand how wireless can be "auto" configured |
| 02:51.49 | bluefox83 | jcole_deb, you might try finding the name of the tool while in knoppix next time.. |
| 02:52.10 | Guerin | jcole_s91: see what package contains that file, in knoppix. If it doesn't end in -knoppix, it's probably a debian package |
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| 02:52.26 | SNAP_ | t-jack, I use only the first CD, because I choose the compact installation |
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| 02:52.51 | Guerin | t-jack: he can update and upgrade, you realise |
| 02:52.55 | jeanpoldeux | t-jack: why the fuck does he need to re-install if he's booting ? He can apt-get install kernel apt-get upgrade or not ? |
| 02:53.02 | t-jack | SNAP_: So now you're fucked by an obselete kernel? |
| 02:53.12 | SNAP_ | t-jack, it's my first experience in Linux and I would like install fewer progrmas |
| 02:53.46 | Segers_J | SNAP_: the woody kernel selection is fine for most purposes, so unless you have either a desire to learn how to build and install a kernel, or are forced to because you have some bleeding edge hardware, I recomend using one of woody's kernels. |
| 02:53.47 | Guerin | SNAP_: install a real kernel (as per the msg the bot sent you) and you'll be roses |
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| 02:54.07 | SNAP_ | please guerin, resend me a message |
| 02:54.13 | t-jack | Yes Yes I know he can just update. Me? I do not like to 'just upgrade' to ext3. |
| 02:54.14 | verus | hello if my xsession froze, is there any signal ican send to unfreeze? |
| 02:54.18 | Guerin | !tell SNAP_ about real kernel |
| 02:54.18 | verus | i can ssh to the box |
| 02:54.29 | The_Vulture | SNAP_: yes, using one of woody's is fine, but not th boot kernels |
| 02:54.34 | bluefox83 | verus, try ctrl alt backspace |
| 02:54.39 | The_Vulture | s/ SNAP_/ Segers_J/ |
| 02:54.43 | Guerin | verus: what's the process status in ps ax? |
| 02:54.46 | verus | no that would kill X |
| 02:54.56 | verus | RL |
| 02:54.56 | t-jack | jeanpoldeux: Guerin Yes Yes I know he can just update. Me? I do not like to 'just upgrade' to ext3. |
| 02:55.06 | Segers_J | The_Vulture: k |
| 02:55.08 | Guerin | t-jack: whyever not? |
| 02:55.16 | verus | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.16 | verus | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.36 | jeanpoldeux | mmm |
| 02:55.36 | verus | is RL bad |
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| 02:55.39 | Guerin | verus: man ps will tell you what those mean, and maybe how to kill them |
| 02:55.47 | Guerin | verus: also look at man kill |
| 02:55.48 | verus | what if i want them to come back to life |
| 02:55.55 | Guerin | verus: good luck |
| 02:55.56 | verus | i don't want it dead |
| 02:56.04 | verus | isnt there a signal i can send or something |
| 02:56.09 | jeanpoldeux | kill -9 may help you |
| 02:56.17 | verus | that will just kill it =[ |
| 02:56.26 | Guerin | verus: HUP might work, I never use it |
| 02:56.34 | Segers_J | verus: kill -l will list the signals and their mnemonics |
| 02:56.39 | Guerin | verus: why do you want it to stay alive? are you working atm? |
| 02:56.43 | SNAP_ | How I change the APT configuration to get the packages from Debian Mirrors ? |
| 02:56.47 | Covener | verus: if you have a single runaway app causing trouble, you can try just killing it. otherwise your x session is probably just doomed. |
| 02:56.50 | jeanpoldeux | verus: but don't hope you will get it back. |
| 02:56.51 | Guerin | SNAP_: apt-setup |
| 02:56.56 | verus | yea there is stuff in it |
| 02:56.58 | t-jack | Guerin: I believe ext3 journals should be encoded on a cleanroom filesystem. |
| 02:56.59 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, would these man pages of which you speak be documenation that people heve given us and if we read them and put some effort into understanding them we can run our systems just like the real l337 Hax0rs? |
| 02:57.09 | jeanpoldeux | verus: learn to use screen |
| 02:57.13 | verus | i have screen |
| 02:57.17 | verus | this is an X session |
| 02:57.39 | jeanpoldeux | verus: if you kill X, you don't kill screen |
| 02:57.43 | Guerin | verus: try dumping /dev/mem to disk and grepping through - you should be able to save whatever file it is you're working on |
| 02:57.53 | Guerin | t-jack: why? |
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| 02:58.16 | t-jack | Guerin: Mindi and Buttons? |
| 02:58.22 | verus | but its weird because i can catch new stuff that comes in and stuff |
| 02:58.25 | verus | gkrellm still works |
| 02:58.27 | verus | just no keyboard |
| 02:58.34 | Guerin | t-jack: the ext3 filesystem utilities were designed so they could be used to convert existing filesystems flawleessly back and forth |
| 02:58.48 | Guerin | t-jack: wtf are mindi and buttons? |
| 02:58.52 | scarynetworkguy | verus yes you have X problems we have been over this |
| 02:59.05 | SNAP_ | How I change the APT configuration to get the packages from Debian Mirrors ? |
| 02:59.06 | verus | its insan |
| 02:59.07 | Segers_J | Guerin: cartoon characters |
| 02:59.13 | verus | sleeping and has pages locked into memory |
| 02:59.14 | Guerin | SNAP_: I FUCKING TOLD YOU |
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| 02:59.36 | Guerin | Segers_J: any idea what they have to do with filesystems? |
| 02:59.41 | scarynetworkguy | almost as if Linux was designed to not have to be reinstalled every 5 minutes |
| 02:59.48 | t-jack | Guerin: Animaniacs cartoon... had a 4-year-old girl who drove people crazy by asking 'why'. ;) |
| 02:59.54 | Guerin | verus: have you considered doing what I told you? |
| 02:59.58 | SNAP_ | I'm using VMWARE and it's not possible change ISO images.. |
| 03:00.04 | jeanpoldeux | scarynetworkguy: no ? really ? |
| 03:00.27 | Segers_J | Guerin: dunno, mindy gets in trouble and buttons bails her out by getting beaten up <no clue> |
| 03:00.30 | verus | yea |
| 03:00.30 | Guerin | t-jack: ah. No, my why is a serious question. There's no good reason to nuke your whole ext2 kit just to redo it in ext3 -c vyou can convert; that's the point. |
| 03:00.32 | scarynetworkguy | jeanpoldeux, I've heard rumors. In fact *I* heard that reinstalling is the suck |
| 03:01.05 | Guerin | s/ -c v/;/ |
| 03:01.16 | jeanpoldeux | scarynetworkguy: It has been said that reinstalling will be "in" in about one year. |
| 03:01.31 | Guerin | SNAP_: well, we have NFI about vmware - go ask a vmware channel. |
| 03:01.35 | scarynetworkguy | jeanpoldeux, let's start the right rumors mmmmkay? |
| 03:01.48 | Guerin | SNAP_: or install proper debian, which we can help you do if you're prepared to RTFM a bit. |
| 03:01.50 | jeanpoldeux | fmpppffmffmp mmm mpfmmmmfffmp mpm'mmmmmfmmfppfpffmpm |
| 03:02.05 | Segers_J | SNAP_: what? apt-setup has no requirements that you even have a cd-rom drive. |
| 03:02.19 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oo, are we starting rumours, then? |
| 03:02.21 | sohail | from what i hear, debian and bleeding edge don't go together, is that true |
| 03:02.35 | Guerin | sohail: unstable bleeds quite a bit |
| 03:02.47 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yea it's l337 to read man pages. :) |
| 03:02.47 | Guerin | sohail: it's bleeding a lot right now, actually |
| 03:02.57 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hell yeah! |
| 03:03.00 | t-jack | Guerin: Actually, I might've been wrong on that. The important thing is I never gained access to ext3 unless I installed bf24. 2.2.X just never would upgrade far enough or something. |
| 03:03.11 | SNAP_ | Segers, I have only the ISO images in HD. I'm not burn the ISO images.. and VMWARE w/ Debian not found my ISO files |
| 03:03.18 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, like all the real haX0rS |
| 03:03.31 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. :) |
| 03:03.39 | sohail | Guerin how about as compared to gentoo |
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| 03:03.57 | thomas_adam | sohail: Who cares? |
| 03:04.00 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
| 03:04.05 | Covener | sohail: you could take 5 minutes and see what verions of packages are available in each... |
| 03:04.10 | shimon | hi i got a problem i ca |
| 03:04.11 | Guerin | sohail: never used gentoo, but I can say this: you will spend much less time compiling shit. |
| 03:04.15 | shimon | opps |
| 03:04.28 | sohail | Guerin thats exactly why i want debian, the compiling stuff is annoying |
| 03:04.30 | shimon | *cant apt-get install irrsi |
| 03:04.38 | Covener | shimon: apt-cache search irssi |
| 03:04.42 | jeanpoldeux | shimon: irrsi-text |
| 03:04.44 | shimon | i did |
| 03:04.46 | thomas_adam | shimon: irssi-text |
| 03:04.52 | sohail | but over the long term, can i reasonably expect packages to be updated often... thats all im asking |
| 03:04.53 | shimon | ok thanks |
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| 03:05.06 | DarkCoiote | nailbiter: Thanks again :) |
| 03:05.07 | jeanpoldeux | sohail: you can. |
| 03:05.13 | shimon | i did a search and it showed up blank |
| 03:05.22 | thomas_adam | sohail: Why? Are you a sufferer of VNS? |
| 03:05.25 | Guerin | sohail: sid is temperamental. You need to be able to fix fuckups when they happen - and they will happen. |
| 03:05.31 | shimon | and xchat-test is stuffed up |
| 03:05.45 | shimon | well thanks i'll try it now |
| 03:05.47 | sohail | thomas_adam vns? |
| 03:05.52 | thomas_adam | sohail: It's nasty. |
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| 03:05.54 | Covener | shimon: do you type this poorly in your other consoles? |
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| 03:05.56 | scarynetworkguy | damn DNS designed to piss me off :( |
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| 03:06.20 | jeanpoldeux | version number syndrome |
| 03:06.38 | Guerin | VNS can wwaste huge amounts of time and alienate you from your wife and children... get you fired from your job.... drive you to drink... e tc.. |
| 03:06.51 | sohail | jeanpoldeux haha... no, but open source software moves "fast" |
| 03:06.54 | Segers_J | SNAP_: you have the first cd burnt, yes? and you used that to install a base system, yes? from within that base system, run apt-setup and choose your mirror. optionally, "mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak" first (without the quotes) |
| 03:07.10 | scarynetworkguy | My name is scarynetworkguy and I have VNS. |
| 03:07.17 | Guerin | Hi scarynetworkguy |
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| 03:07.20 | sohail | my name is sohail and i dont have vns |
| 03:07.23 | Segers_J | oh well |
| 03:07.23 | sohail | really i dont |
| 03:07.26 | scarynetworkguy | Hi Guerin |
| 03:07.34 | t-jack | So... My audio doesn't work. This on-off love affair with dsp has got to stop. I'm starting to feel like Swimfan. |
| 03:07.53 | jeanpoldeux | it has been also said that VNS makes impotent. |
| 03:07.59 | gandy909 | does the stock 30r2 Woody install have ext3 capability? |
| 03:08.06 | Guerin | t-jack: you really have the worst experiences when it comes to sound |
| 03:08.12 | thomas_adam | !+vns |
| 03:08.13 | dpkg | Version Number Syndrome. This occurs when cluebies assume that a higher version number means the intended program/kernel, whatever, works "better". |
| 03:08.15 | Covener | I'm reminded of Bob Saget in half baked... You call that an addiction?! |
| 03:08.21 | Guerin | gandy909: if you choose bf24 it does |
| 03:08.26 | t-jack | Guerin: And the wierdest... :( |
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| 03:08.51 | shimon | no it is not irrsi-text |
| 03:08.58 | Guerin | shimon: yes, it is. |
| 03:09.01 | jeanpoldeux | scarynetworkguy: too much computer may also provoque imotence too ;) |
| 03:09.03 | shimon | i did a search on irrsi and it wasnt there |
| 03:09.03 | Guerin | !info irssi-text |
| 03:09.04 | Covener | shimon: two s's, one r |
| 03:09.07 | dpkg | irssi-text: (text-mode version of the irssi IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.9-1 (sid), Packaged size: 832 kB, Installed size: 2516 kB |
| 03:09.12 | ugly | shimon: irssi not irrsi |
| 03:09.14 | jeanpoldeux | *impotence* |
| 03:09.18 | shimon | oh |
| 03:09.22 | Guerin | !moron shimon |
| 03:09.22 | dpkg | shimon: You are moron #58 |
| 03:09.23 | Covener | shimon: we've only typed it a dozen times for you |
| 03:09.27 | Segers_J | shimon: are you a polish exchange student at Kennesaw? |
| 03:09.29 | shimon | to ss not rr crap |
| 03:09.37 | thomas_adam | shimon: < thomas_adam> | shimon: irssi-text |
| 03:09.43 | shimon | lol |
| 03:09.46 | t-jack | jeanpoldeux: Not to mention s/provoque/provoke |
| 03:09.47 | thomas_adam | shimon: ^^ viddy. |
| 03:09.57 | shimon | cya |
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| 03:10.33 | jeanpoldeux | really provoke ? |
| 03:10.52 | t-jack | cest pas |
| 03:11.00 | Guerin | iirc, shimon is the moron formerly known as sevenseventy, who was banned several times for his crimes |
| 03:11.00 | jeanpoldeux | ah yeah |
| 03:12.09 | jeanpoldeux | My knowledge is growing |
| 03:12.21 | Guerin | gandy909: don't msg me, please. |
| 03:12.36 | Guerin | gandy909: you have to choose bf24 at boot time, when you first boot into the install process. |
| 03:12.41 | t-jack | There's no such word in English pronounced /pwo-vock/ :) |
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| 03:12.52 | thomas_adam | t-jack: There is. |
| 03:13.01 | Segers_J | gandy909: that is the most polite response I've ever seen here, count yourself lucky. |
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| 03:13.11 | Guerin | gandy909: if you've already installed, you can install a 2.4 series kernel through apt, and that will give you ext3 support |
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| 03:13.44 | Guerin | Segers_J: his was a polite /msg, noit *lol i cant f1nd it canu hlp me plz lol* |
| 03:13.55 | t-jack | thomas_adam: You might be thinking of /pwo-vockatchure/? |
| 03:13.56 | jeanpoldeux | scarynetworkguy: the flowers, the sky, the birds... in a word LIFE |
| 03:14.29 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: But think of the geeks...! |
| 03:14.31 | t-jack | thomas_adam: provocateur? |
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| 03:14.49 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, there is that. :) |
| 03:14.51 | Guerin | y'all are murdering the IPA there |
| 03:14.56 | gandy909 | Guerin: sorry for the faux pax... whats the proper command to use so that it highlights the recipients name when sent? |
| 03:15.06 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Exactly. So make yourself comfy. :) |
| 03:15.24 | Guerin | gandy909: you just did it: start the line with a nick, and it lights up for the person whose nick it is |
| 03:15.46 | jeanpoldeux | or makes beep. |
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| 03:16.07 | Segers_J | jeanpoldeux: ewww, why would you want that? |
| 03:16.07 | Guerin | beeps are evil |
| 03:16.23 | jeanpoldeux | which is fucking annoying I have to say |
| 03:16.24 | Guerin | none of my computers make any noisees other than what I tell them to |
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| 03:16.43 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, rules his boxen with an iron fist |
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| 03:16.51 | Guerin | and right now, it's the Yonder Mountain String Band |
| 03:16.55 | Phated | Guerin: Stern. |
| 03:17.09 | aphade | hello, are there more packages available on debian as apposed to gentoo? |
| 03:17.12 | jeanpoldeux | Segers_J: because I have friends on #bitlbee, and when I'm working on something else I want to hear them. |
| 03:17.34 | t-jack | Guerin: My computer makes no noise at all. :( |
| 03:17.48 | ugly | aphade: there are a shitload in both, so number of packages shouldn't be your criteria for choosing between the two |
| 03:17.52 | gandy909 | guerin: I feel stupid now... :) Coming from a RH background and trying Deb, again, I always feel noob cause things are done different |
| 03:18.10 | t-jack | You're Ugly. |
| 03:18.16 | Segers_J | jeanpoldeux: <shrug> s'ok by me, I'd rather have visual indicators. |
| 03:18.23 | Phated | gandy909: You're like me, then, RH to Debian. :) |
| 03:18.31 | Guerin | t-jack: haha, that's true :( |
| 03:18.43 | aphade | ugly: Haha, that isn't my citeria. I'm not choosing between them, I just wanted to know out of curiosity. |
| 03:18.45 | Guerin | gandy909: it's ok, don't sweat it. |
| 03:18.53 | jeanpoldeux | oh it's going to be hell here. (05:17). I have to sleep. Cya. |
| 03:18.56 | Segers_J | s/s'ok/'s ok/ |
| 03:19.21 | t-jack | Guerin: That's gotta be the first I've seen a laugh on a frowning face... |
| 03:19.41 | Phated | t-jack: Angry laugh, where have you been? |
| 03:19.42 | Guerin | t-jack: it's funny, but I AM sad for you |
| 03:19.59 | gandy909 | whats the package name to apt-get a new kernel? |
| 03:20.11 | Guerin | !tell gandy909 about real kernel |
| 03:20.16 | Guerin | !tell gandy909 about search |
| 03:20.17 | t-jack | Phated: Left field. I live here. |
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| 03:20.32 | Segers_J | gandy909: apt-cache search kernel-image then pick one. |
| 03:20.35 | scarynetworkguy | gandy909, apt-get install kernel-image-versionnumber search http://packages.debian.org to get exact names |
| 03:20.37 | iceypppd | anyone got a good howto for dhcpd to write to a dns server with the lease info? |
| 03:20.46 | Phated | t-jack: Tsk. |
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| 03:20.57 | t-jack | Heh :) |
| 03:20.59 | gandy909 | thanks! |
| 03:21.08 | ugly | iceypppd: 'man dhcpd.conf' isn't sufficient? |
| 03:21.26 | scarynetworkguy | iceypppd, I like to put chocolate milk in my carburetor |
| 03:21.29 | iceypppd | ugly nah seems a bit complicated :) |
| 03:21.43 | simonrvn | kiss off then |
| 03:22.11 | thomas_adam | someone mention chocolate? *irc-client goes beep* aaaah, scarynetworkguy ;) |
| 03:22.32 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, Yea and I can't have any :( |
| 03:22.45 | t-jack | I'd like to be... out on the sea, at Octopussy's garden on the cay... |
| 03:22.45 | De_Mon | scarynetworkguy sounds like evolution |
| 03:22.47 | thomas_adam | :( |
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| 03:23.06 | scarynetworkguy | I mean for gods sake I'm a fucking linguist and I can't parse the god damn thing |
| 03:23.09 | Guerin | t-jack: trying to make your own music, then? |
| 03:23.24 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: you're a linguist? |
| 03:23.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hahaha. :) |
| 03:23.43 | DarkCoiote | how can i make KDE games' highscores persistents? |
| 03:23.49 | Phated | DarkCoiote: #kde |
| 03:23.52 | Guerin | DarkCoiote: #KDE |
| 03:23.55 | Guerin | err |
| 03:23.58 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, well that is what my degree is in. Never actually worked in the field or anything I pay causual attention to the field so not really but kinda |
| 03:24.00 | Demandred | is it safe to delete the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 03:24.08 | DarkCoiote | a sorry |
| 03:24.08 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, it just horrific. :) |
| 03:24.11 | Phated | Ooo, manly. |
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| 03:24.17 | t-jack | Guerin: Well... I still got broadcast radio... But I'd love to be able to enjoy watching Kill Bill II. |
| 03:24.17 | De_Mon | debian-san apt-get clean |
| 03:24.20 | ugly | Demandred: yes, but you can also use 'apt-get clean' which will do the same and leave the non-debs intact |
| 03:24.29 | Demandred | cool, thanks |
| 03:24.34 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: After scrolling up and reading hiis/her question, yeah! |
| 03:24.40 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: freakshow. i almost did linguistics, but it clashed with my real passion - film. I've been wanting to pick it up ever since... |
| 03:24.56 | Guerin | t-jack: what sound hardware are you using now? |
| 03:25.22 | gandy909 | whats the 'bf' in bf2.4 mean? |
| 03:25.28 | Guerin | boot floppy |
| 03:25.35 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, I started out in Econ. Then spent 2 years in Korea and got interested in Language. It was pretty fun and fits better with IT than one might think |
| 03:25.41 | Guerin | gandy909: bad fuckingkernel |
| 03:25.49 | gandy909 | hehe |
| 03:25.57 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: yeah, no doubt. |
| 03:25.57 | Phated | Bastardous fsck. |
| 03:26.07 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I mean I'm not one to complain about typos but ye gods |
| 03:26.28 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, all about patterns and deducing things from limited info. :) |
| 03:26.34 | Guerin | indeed |
| 03:26.53 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Sounds like good training for tech support. :) |
| 03:27.05 | t-jack | Guerin: Currently, I returned the sbLive to port. I'd prefer the AudigyLS, though. |
| 03:27.21 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, it was pretty much. Troubleshooting of any kind really |
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| 03:27.51 | Guerin | t-jack: the sblive has to be a better bet |
| 03:27.55 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh, phone monkey. |
| 03:27.58 | Guerin | t-jack: alsa/2.6? |
| 03:28.10 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, that is what I started out as :) |
| 03:28.18 | Liquid2000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Interesting image. :) |
| 03:28.48 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, and at my first job pretty much what you are thinking. |
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| 03:29.15 | t-jack | Guerin: How to varify? |
| 03:29.30 | Guerin | t-jack: uname -r ; lspci |grep snd |
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| 03:29.38 | Guerin | err, s/lspci/lsmod/ |
| 03:29.56 | scarynetworkguy | 12 geeks with caffeine, popcorn, and pretty much free run of an ISP. Made for some fun nights |
| 03:30.12 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Awesome times, I'll bet. :) |
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| 03:30.25 | t-jack | Guerin: 2.6.7-1-686 |
| 03:30.50 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, very fun job. I learned a lot. :) |
| 03:30.58 | Guerin | t-jack: and it was working for a while there. What happened just before it stopped? |
| 03:30.58 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Great. :) |
| 03:31.02 | t-jack | Guerin: well duh... It's the same as my kernel, huh? |
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| 03:31.40 | Guerin | t-jack: you kernel version is always the same as your kernel version, yes. |
| 03:32.43 | t-jack | Guerin: That's not quite what I meant. I thought you were asking the version of alsa pkg. |
| 03:32.49 | scarynetworkguy | <Guerin> t-jack: you kernel version is always the same as your kernel version, yes. That needs to be sent to bash.org :) |
| 03:32.57 | Guerin | Phated: you realise that it will probably entail being shut in with a dozen lads into the late hours of the night... |
| 03:33.07 | Phated | Guerin: Yeah, so? |
| 03:33.16 | Guerin | Phated: I'm just sayin'... |
| 03:33.18 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, Phated and very un PC lads at that |
| 03:33.26 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Eh? |
| 03:33.41 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Why? So people can flame and bash me? |
| 03:33.45 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, Oh god how to explian PC. let me think |
| 03:34.00 | Phated | Ohhhh, un-politically correct? |
| 03:34.12 | Phated | Either that, or some odd thing I've never heard of. |
| 03:34.18 | Guerin | t-jack: ok, do lsmod |grep snd and gime the output in #flood |
| 03:34.26 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, right. We were always afraid they were going to hire a girl for our shift and we would have to act like adults. :) |
| 03:34.34 | Guerin | t-jack: and what happened just before it stopped working? a reboot? |
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| 03:34.57 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Jesus, please, no. Lads trying to act like adults is no fun. I'd much rather join in the fun. :) |
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| 03:35.06 | Guerin | damn straight |
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| 03:35.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, true but in this day and age you can't take that risk here in the land of the free. :) |
| 03:35.36 | Phated | As evidenced by the fact that I'm still here, a month or so after actually having a serious question. :) |
| 03:35.52 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh, how sad. :| |
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| 03:36.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, pretty much. |
| 03:36.21 | t-jack | Guerin: Why yes, a reboot... the first I think after all those halfhearted attempts at update/upgrade couple days ago. |
| 03:36.23 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I miss the days I never saw. :| |
| 03:36.42 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, that could be a lyric :) |
| 03:36.44 | Phated | Halfhreated!? You upgrade with all your heart and soul, damnit! |
| 03:36.46 | Guerin | t-jack: ok. You need to add the proper modules to your /etc/modules file so they load at boot time |
| 03:37.03 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I must try my hand at songwriting, all I've done is one measly and rather bad poem. :| |
| 03:37.05 | Guerin | t-jack: you know which modules are needed, right? |
| 03:37.20 | scarynetworkguy | speaking of updating my mirror seems to have lost all it's bandwidth |
| 03:37.28 | Phated | Oo. |
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| 03:38.19 | t-jack | Guerin: There are my current /etc/modules on #flood. No I'n not sure of every one/ |
| 03:38.21 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, ok you do that I'll play guitar. Now we just need a frontman |
| 03:39.12 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hm... Guerin! |
| 03:39.41 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: And we sould call ourselves Linguistic. :D |
| 03:39.50 | Phated | s/so/cu/ |
| 03:39.57 | Phated | s/cu/co/ |
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| 03:40.01 | jcole_s91 | anyone here have a wireless usb prism2 based card that runs successfully on debian? |
| 03:40.07 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, silly rabbit... |
| 03:40.17 | scarynetworkguy | cool so now we are band. :) |
| 03:40.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Have you been watching Cruel Intentions? |
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| 03:40.43 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, never seen it why? |
| 03:41.05 | Guerin | t-jack: ok, that's practically every fucking modulen under the sun, but not the one you need |
| 03:41.08 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: "Silly rabbit" was one of the many lines that stuck in my head from that movie. Good show. :) |
| 03:41.28 | Guerin | t-jack: do you know what module your sblive requires |
| 03:41.29 | Guerin | ? |
| 03:41.49 | jcole_s91 | i installed the linux-wg kernel mods and modprobe prism2_usb, iwconfig shows it |
| 03:41.51 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, it was a commercial that is everywhere here. General pop culture refrence. Best recent use in a movie was Kill Bill |
| 03:42.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Interesting. |
| 03:42.14 | t-jack | Guerin: Either emu10k1 or snd_emu10k1 |
| 03:42.27 | Guerin | t-jack: snd_emu101k |
| 03:42.33 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, so wo pissed in your cheerios? |
| 03:42.37 | Guerin | t-jack: modprobe that, see if it works |
| 03:42.41 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Wired News.' |
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| 03:42.56 | Phated | Er... s/'// |
| 03:43.23 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, my favorite ever is a "security vendor" who sends html email to me at work. :) |
| 03:43.30 | jcole_s91 | but, i get errors such as "function not implemented" when trying to set the essid, key, etc. |
| 03:43.57 | t-jack | Guerin: FATAL: Module snd_emu101k not found. |
| 03:44.19 | The_Vulture | t-jack: 10k1, no 101k.. |
| 03:44.26 | The_Vulture | if I recall correctly |
| 03:44.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Idiota. |
| 03:44.41 | Guerin | t-jack: sorry, my bad |
| 03:44.54 | Guerin | t-jack: that was my typoese talking |
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| 03:45.23 | scarynetworkguy | pretty much |
| 03:46.04 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeppers. |
| 03:46.14 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: I can't sing worth a damn, and I'm starting to think I need a fat-neck guitar, those damn strings are too fiddly |
| 03:46.27 | cafuego | wheeeeeee |
| 03:46.51 | cafuego | the old primarys erver is now DOWN |
| 03:46.55 | Guerin | !beer cafuego |
| 03:47.12 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, so ok Phated on bass cause everybody knows girl bass players rock. You on guitar. Me drums. thomas_adam to sing cause English frontmen rule. :) |
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| 03:47.34 | Guerin | this is the band that's going to sail straight into obscurity |
| 03:47.36 | Phated | Though I shall actually have to -learn- the bass. |
| 03:47.39 | ddn | looking for cs and muonline server administrators |
| 03:47.44 | Phated | Guerin: Yeah, a one-hit wonder. |
| 03:47.50 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
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| 03:47.54 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 03:47.57 | Guerin | Phated: -1 hit wonder, you mean |
| 03:48.06 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, it would be pretty interesting |
| 03:48.10 | Guerin | t-jack must be rebooting |
| 03:48.14 | Phated | Guerin: Come now, don't be so pessimistic. |
| 03:48.28 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, no I think he's right |
| 03:48.29 | Phated | Oooh, we could be called The Pessimists! |
| 03:48.39 | seannyob | anyone want to help me with an xchat problem? |
| 03:48.43 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah, he could. :) |
| 03:48.46 | MerlinCorey | ddn: and you though #debian was the place because..? |
| 03:48.46 | Guerin | seannyob: ask |
| 03:49.03 | Guerin | ddn: ask on quakenet or something |
| 03:49.11 | seannyob | ok, i have an mrc script from a friend, and i obviously need to convert it to python or perl, right? |
| 03:49.13 | jcole_s91 | do i need to add aliases or something to make wireless work on debian? |
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| 03:49.19 | Guerin | seannyob: hahahaha |
| 03:49.25 | Phated | OK, someone tell me, when the heck was Elinks not a "standards-compliant browser", eh? |
| 03:49.27 | scarynetworkguy | nice name |
| 03:49.29 | Guerin | seannyob: ask in #perl |
| 03:49.34 | seannyob | ok sorry! |
| 03:49.36 | seannyob | thanks! |
| 03:49.58 | ubb | xchat didn't work for me, so I just stayed with irssi |
| 03:50.05 | Guerin | Phated: it doesn't do frames and tons of shit correctly |
| 03:50.21 | kingsley | jcole_s91: I suggest that asking a more specific question will result in more helpful answers. |
| 03:50.23 | Phated | Guerin: Yeah, I guess. It's got tabbed browsing, though. :) |
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| 03:51.16 | Guerin | Phated: tabs aren't mentioned anywhere in the w3m specs - that's a ui issue, not an html rendering issue |
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| 03:51.59 | Phated | Guerin: True enough. |
| 03:52.23 | scarynetworkguy | kingsley, it is pretty slick |
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| 03:53.05 | Guerin | kingsley: all mine except an awe64 was detected perfectly - on two boxen |
| 03:53.20 | Guerin | including X settings, mouse, eth, the whole damn kit |
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| 03:53.58 | findme | when i copy something in vi it indents the lines deep, adds tab characters, how can I avoid this behaviour. |
| 03:54.01 | jcole_s91 | kingsley: ok, since i had to additionally install the prism2 modules (they are not included in the debian kernel for some reason but a separate modules package is available), do i need to do anything extra special to enable my wireless card? |
| 03:54.10 | scarynetworkguy | it even worked on my crappy nforce mobo. :) to include the onboard video and sound. |
| 03:55.00 | scarynetworkguy | jcole_s91, you should not have to no |
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| 03:55.11 | cievo | hello everyone ! |
| 03:55.46 | Phated | cievo: Hey. :) |
| 03:56.12 | cievo | all...why does my linux cute logo disapears after /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh ??? is there a way to keep it there ? (it's FB console) |
| 03:56.17 | cievo | Phated: :) hello, how is hanging ?!: ) |
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| 03:56.51 | Phated | cievo: Hanging is like it always is. :) |
| 03:56.58 | cievo | Phated: hehe :) |
| 03:57.05 | cievo | Phated: can you help me with that Q ? |
| 03:57.14 | cievo | thomas_adam: hello :) can you help me ? |
| 03:57.30 | Phated | cievo: I don't think the logo really matters. :| |
| 03:57.31 | jcole_s91 | kingsley: the module prism2_usb loads up at boot, iwconfig shows it, i added a wlan0 config to /etc/network/interfaces, but when i run ifup wlan0, i get errors like "essid: function not implemented...mode: function not implemented" |
| 03:57.38 | ^majik^ | 'http.us.debian.org' is down right? |
| 03:57.58 | cievo | Phated: But... :) I want to know :) it's there until init runs /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh |
| 03:58.05 | cievo | and then it goes away ;) |
| 03:58.06 | cievo | ;( |
| 03:58.10 | ^majik^ | or atleast slow..or something |
| 03:58.17 | Phated | cievo: Dunno, I never cared about the logo. |
| 03:58.38 | cievo | ^majik^: it's down |
| 03:58.58 | cievo | Phated: I'm just bored @ home so I'm playing with stupid stuff ;) |
| 03:59.06 | scarynetworkguy | cievo, think for a minute about the name of the script and how that might affect what you are seeing. |
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| 03:59.23 | Phated | cievo: Heh. |
| 03:59.31 | cievo | scarynetworkguy: hmmm...is there an option for keeping that log as it is ?! |
| 03:59.33 | ^majik^ | cievo: well, just now it kinda stalled.. and then it finally downloaded, from http.us.debian.org, or so it says huh..wonder whats going on. |
| 03:59.46 | cievo | ^majik^: ;) |
| 03:59.51 | scarynetworkguy | cievo, log? What the hell? |
| 03:59.56 | cievo | Phated: I'm alone at home ;( |
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| 04:00.05 | Phated | cievo: So am I. Quit whining. :) |
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| 04:00.25 | cievo | scarynetworkguy: not log :-D logo |
| 04:00.48 | cievo | ;) |
| 04:01.00 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Not a good thought. |
| 04:01.07 | scarynetworkguy | cievo, no I don't but the reason is obvious |
| 04:01.18 | cievo | scarynetworkguy: hmm...sexy naked puinguins female are dancing around ?! :) |
| 04:01.19 | jcole_s91 | kingsley: it works in fedora just fine, i don't know why it doesn't work in debian |
| 04:01.46 | Phated | cievo: Penguins are and always have been naked. |
| 04:01.50 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, you are of course right. I would think "at home alone" is kind of the default setting for IRC :) |
| 04:01.52 | cievo | scarynetworkguy: I think there will be some option for that script to keep that logo as it is :) |
| 04:01.59 | cievo | Phated: hmmm...shit...you are right :P |
| 04:02.03 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye. |
| 04:02.05 | Phated | cievo: :) |
| 04:02.08 | scarynetworkguy | cievo, go google on it then |
| 04:02.14 | cafuego | in this part of the nighclub it's lunch time |
| 04:02.18 | cievo | scarynetworkguy: :( |
| 04:03.06 | cafuego | jcole_s91: What is the essid line you have in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 04:03.10 | Phated | And here it's barely lunch too. :) |
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| 04:03.30 | scarynetworkguy | mmmmm lunch |
| 04:03.54 | cievo | all...when I leave my USB mouse plugged into port and start linux it get kenrle panic @ /etc/init.d/gpm...but when I plug it over that script it works perfect :))) any sugge... ? |
| 04:04.00 | Phated | Aye, mmmmm indeed, scarynetworkguy. |
| 04:04.28 | scarynetworkguy | cievo, apt-get remove gpn |
| 04:04.35 | jcole_s91 | cafuego: "wireless_essid jchome" |
| 04:04.41 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, nice |
| 04:05.00 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah, I've got the little standing flag and all, but all sorts of junk. |
| 04:05.07 | cievo | scarynetworkguy: my mouse won't work afterwards |
| 04:05.12 | cafuego | jcole_s91: Hmmm. |
| 04:05.27 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, just don't start pounding on it with your shoe |
| 04:05.39 | scarynetworkguy | cievo, then get a better mouse. |
| 04:05.45 | cievo | scarynetworkguy: :P |
| 04:05.58 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 04:06.21 | Phated | cievo: He always is, hello. |
| 04:06.28 | cievo | ;) |
| 04:06.34 | cievo | scary and funny :) |
| 04:06.36 | Phated | !2day |
| 04:06.53 | sohail | hey how can I bind named to the interface facing my lan and not outside |
| 04:06.56 | cievo | Phated: !2day ? :) |
| 04:07.00 | Phated | Oh, come on, there's a factoid on every other bit of l4m3s3 |
| 04:07.01 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, are you laughing cause you get the joke or just because? |
| 04:07.11 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ya think? :) |
| 04:07.58 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I'd be impressed if you knew the story. Most kids here would not. :) |
| 04:08.03 | cievo | sohail: ?! to asign names on your local LAN to some DNS records ?! |
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| 04:08.27 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Some UN meeting a long time ago, probably. I dunno, I must confess I thought it merely a joke and not a reference. |
| 04:08.35 | cievo | sohail: in other words: do you wanna run your own DNS server on LAN ?! :) |
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| 04:09.15 | sohail | cievo yes |
| 04:09.20 | sohail | a caching nameserver |
| 04:09.20 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, more than most folks know. You get 1 point for obscure UN knowledge. It was Khrushchev. |
| 04:09.33 | Phated | \o/ |
| 04:09.42 | sohail | cievo mostly b/c im sick of having to look up my isp's nameservers everytime i set up a new machine |
| 04:09.43 | Phated | I was just guessing from the context of the joke, really. :) |
| 04:10.12 | gnomers | using minicom dialup connection is established, from another terminal i type pppd but it exits right away, due to uid 0, how can i make pppd work? |
| 04:10.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Do fill me in on the rest of the details, though. |
| 04:10.24 | cievo | sohail: install Bind9 on one of your LAN computer and set /etc/resolv.conf on the rest LAN computer to that one that is running that Bind9 :) |
| 04:10.24 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, the point remains. In the middle of a UN session he started pounding on a desk with his shoe screaming "We will bury you" |
| 04:10.44 | scarynetworkguy | very cold war |
| 04:10.46 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: When, where (probably NYC), why? |
| 04:11.16 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, 60's, mostly cause NATO was pushing throught a lot of stuff he did not like |
| 04:11.19 | jcole_s91 | in debian, maybe i have to prefix "wlan_ng..." instead of "wireless..." in interfaces... strange |
| 04:11.22 | sohail | cievo yes i did that, but i just want to make sure its not also running on the interface connected to the net |
| 04:11.28 | sohail | its on my gateway |
| 04:11.31 | scarynetworkguy | welcome to #coldwar |
| 04:11.31 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhh. *goes to google* |
| 04:11.42 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. :) |
| 04:12.11 | gnomers | how can i make pppd work? |
| 04:12.17 | cievo | sohail: check /etc/resolv.conf on those machines :) |
| 04:12.22 | cievo | gnomers: pray |
| 04:12.30 | The_Vulture | sohail: thre's a better way, use dnsmasq |
| 04:12.43 | The_Vulture | it even has a light DHCP server |
| 04:12.51 | deadcat | gnomers: pppconfig ? |
| 04:12.54 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oct 12, 1960. |
| 04:13.02 | The_Vulture | nice way to solve config for a small network |
| 04:13.10 | gnomers | deadcat: is that a command? |
| 04:13.11 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yup my memory was off |
| 04:13.15 | deadcat | gnomers: ya. |
| 04:13.22 | gnomers | deadcat: let me try |
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| 04:13.31 | deadcat | gnomers: set it up then use pon or poff to start/stop |
| 04:13.33 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 04:13.51 | sohail | The_Vulture why is that better |
| 04:14.06 | The_Vulture | sohail: because it's simple and does what you need without any fuss |
| 04:14.17 | jcole_s91 | i'm going back to fedora and checking out all settings for wireless |
| 04:14.30 | sohail | The_Vulture its already working... i just want to make sure its not also serving on my ppp interface |
| 04:14.40 | The_Vulture | sohail: and it's easy to tell it which interface to listen on |
| 04:14.46 | deadcat | jcole_s91: whats the problem? |
| 04:15.00 | sohail | bleh... i will google for 5 minutes and then i'll look into dnsmasq heh |
| 04:15.03 | The_Vulture | sohail: consider it, it's useful imho. Oh and aren't you running a firewall anyway? |
| 04:15.21 | cef | sohail: what are you trying to do? sorry missed it earlier |
| 04:16.19 | scarynetworkguy | :) |
| 04:16.24 | sohail | The_Vulture good point yes |
| 04:16.36 | jcole_s91 | deadcat: prism2 based wireless usb nics don't seem to work with debian even when the module (prism2_usb) is loaded and /etc/network/interfaces is configured corrrectly |
| 04:17.06 | cievo | jcole_s91: do you see your device with iwconfig ? |
| 04:17.09 | scarynetworkguy | jcole_s91, these packets are sent to you over a prism2 based wireless card. |
| 04:17.23 | jcole_s91 | cievo: ya, it's there |
| 04:17.30 | gnomers | deadcat: i did that and it dials and gets to expect (connect) then it gets ^M |
| 04:17.30 | cef | sohail: ahh ok.. under options in named.conf, add 'listen-on { n.n.n.n; };' where n.n.n.n is the inside IP address |
| 04:17.34 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yech |
| 04:17.38 | cievo | jcole_s91: oki...try iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 04:17.50 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I know. It works fine on my Windows, though. :| |
| 04:18.09 | Guerin | !works on windows |
| 04:18.09 | dpkg | Geez, it "works on windows"? Why don't you bugger off back to windows then? |
| 04:18.27 | cievo | Guerin: :) |
| 04:18.28 | deadcat | jcole_s91: it works for me. |
| 04:18.32 | ^majik^ | what's the correct package name for sshd? sshd, openssh-server, and openssh-server-udeb aren't working for me |
| 04:18.36 | The_Vulture | Phated: bah, syslog any day ;) |
| 04:18.45 | Phated | The_Vulture: Righto. |
| 04:18.45 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, it is better than nothing. but there are better tools on Linux |
| 04:18.46 | cievo | ^majik^: ssh |
| 04:18.49 | Guerin | 6majik6: ssh |
| 04:18.51 | jcole_s91 | cievo: iwlist wlan0 scan --> "interface doesn't support scanning : function not implemented" |
| 04:19.02 | scarynetworkguy | ssh |
| 04:19.03 | deadcat | jcole_s91: i use the prism2_usb driver as well. if you use kernel-image-2.4.2[56] |
| 04:19.05 | gnomers | deadcat: seems like the line drops. using minicom i get a connect, line stays up for 4 minutes and the isp drops me |
| 04:19.08 | sohail | isnt the whole point of zonealarm to tell u when programs that dont have access to the net r accessing it from ur computer |
| 04:19.09 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I'm sure there are. Apt-cache searching. :) |
| 04:19.17 | cievo | jcole_s91: wow :-D do you know @ least setting of your wifi ap ? |
| 04:19.19 | ^majik^ | cievo / Guerin: so they're both included under 'ssh' then? er, client and server that is? |
| 04:19.25 | Phated | sohail: No, it blocks intrusions too. |
| 04:19.26 | Guerin | affirmative |
| 04:19.38 | ^majik^ | ah alright |
| 04:19.40 | cievo | ^majik^: yes |
| 04:19.43 | Phated | sohail: Also, irrelevant, I just want a firewall for Linux. |
| 04:19.44 | scarynetworkguy | shit shit shit |
| 04:19.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: ? |
| 04:19.54 | Guerin | Phated: ipmasq |
| 04:20.02 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, me and not be able to remember anything |
| 04:20.11 | sohail | Phated firestarter was good when i used it |
| 04:20.12 | cef | ^majik^: it'll ask you if you want to start the server. if you've already installed and want to change that, use 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow ssh |
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| 04:20.17 | Seb | iptables ? |
| 04:20.18 | Guerin | Phated: but linux firewalls are usually placebo |
| 04:20.19 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, Did I understand you the other idea that apt-get install ipmasq and it just works |
| 04:20.23 | The_Vulture | Guerin: that's a NATing system, not really the ideal tool if you just want a firewall |
| 04:20.32 | Phated | Guerin: Ahhhh. Oh well. |
| 04:20.38 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: yup. NAT. |
| 04:20.41 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) Do't worry about it. |
| 04:20.47 | scarynetworkguy | The_Vulture, that is all most soho "firewalls" are |
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| 04:20.50 | ^majik^ | cef: ah, thanks. |
| 04:20.57 | Phated | sohail: Cool, shall check. |
| 04:20.57 | jcole_s91 | deadcat: great, i'm on 2.4.26, can you dump your wlan0 interfaces config in #debian-flood ? |
| 04:21.02 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, not too much but enough to ask him on Monday |
| 04:21.24 | Guerin | The_Vulture: generally true. but it is iptables, and iptables is what most of the other firewall packages (shorewall, etc) use |
| 04:21.26 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Sure, thanks. :) |
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| 04:21.45 | Phated | Eh? |
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| 04:21.55 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy: it usually involves blocking incoming connections too. The more amusing thing in SOHO firewall boxes n stuff is when they advertise DoS protection.. I have no idea on what basis they make claims like that |
| 04:21.58 | t-jack | Guerin: Sorry about ditching like that, but my computer froze on the modprobe, I had to do dishes and it's getting late... etc... |
| 04:22.01 | deadcat | jcole_s91: setup /etc/wlan/ |
| 04:22.11 | Guerin | t-jack: ah, ok. It froze on modprobe? |
| 04:22.13 | jcole_s91 | deadcat: ah |
| 04:22.14 | Guerin | t-jack: that's bad. |
| 04:22.24 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, on going joke. With the expection of my wireless box every piece of network kit I have is "borrowed" from work. :) |
| 04:22.33 | The_Vulture | Guerin: iptables does lots of things, just because something does something with iptables doesn't make the first something a firewall |
| 04:22.39 | cef | The_Vulture: ususally means they block oversized or malformed packets.. hardly hard to do |
| 04:22.41 | t-jack | Guerin: Yeah. Means the module is broken? |
| 04:22.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhh. *grin* |
| 04:23.01 | deadcat | jcole_s91: if your essid name is JCOLE you need a file in /etc/wlan/wlancfg-JCOLE |
| 04:23.01 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, to include my firewall. :) |
| 04:23.08 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. :) |
| 04:23.12 | Guerin | The_Vulture: true. But looking at it another way, if you have a properly secured network gateway, it's all the firewall you need. |
| 04:23.12 | The_Vulture | cef: doesn't really solve a DoS based on overwhelming bandwidth |
| 04:23.21 | deadcat | jcole_s91: but i use my own simple script instead of wlan's confusing shits |
| 04:23.38 | The_Vulture | Guerin: um, if you have a 'properly secured gateway' by definition, you have a firewall in there |
| 04:23.43 | Guerin | t-jack: no, I doubt it. Some settings issue, I expect. |
| 04:23.55 | jcole_s91 | deadcat: i KNEW there had to be something specific about this particular card, thanks |
| 04:23.59 | cef | The_Vulture: not much does.. it's sort of hard to control your upstream router, usually because it's managed by someone else |
| 04:24.09 | The_Vulture | my point was that a NATing program does stuff other than firewall, it's usually, within reason, best to get a package that just does what you need, roughly |
| 04:24.21 | deadcat | jcole_s91: no. just dumb driver/scripts |
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| 04:24.37 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, not a bad idea |
| 04:24.41 | The_Vulture | cef: that's my point, but you do raise a reasonable point that there are other forms of DoS apart from bandwidth based ones |
| 04:24.43 | deadcat | jcole_s91: i still cant get adhoc mode to work yet. but oh well. |
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| 04:24.44 | Guerin | The_Vulture: right. My point being that your internet-facing box, if all its services are properly secured and updated, need only have a firewall if it's protecting other, weaker, boxen. |
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| 04:24.45 | t-jack | Guerin: Any ideas where I might look? |
| 04:24.53 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah. Though then I need to find an office... :) |
| 04:24.53 | BarbuJ^away | hello everyone |
| 04:25.11 | cievo | BarbuJ: hello |
| 04:25.13 | Phated | BarbuJ: Hi. |
| 04:25.23 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, and unless yea and for you a little borrowing is most likely not the best thing |
| 04:25.33 | jcole_s91 | deadcat: is wlan.conf initialized when the module is loaded? or ifup wlan0 |
| 04:25.34 | Guerin | t-jack: try it again. It whould work fine. |
| 04:25.36 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Exactly. :| |
| 04:25.45 | The_Vulture | Guerin: yeah, if you keep track of all the services, disable the ones you don't want to expose etc, yes. I just firewall and then don't fuss to much about the fact that there's a time server or whatever |
| 04:25.47 | Phated | Oh, yay, I can update cron now. |
| 04:25.59 | The_Vulture | yay |
| 04:26.10 | scarynetworkguy | lord |
| 04:26.11 | Guerin | The_Vulture: right |
| 04:26.12 | cef | Guerin: well that's not exactly true.. I still prefer to only allow in things that I've configured, or want to be outside visible. sometimes you can't stop a program binding to all interfaces |
| 04:26.16 | BarbuJ | quick question... i changed a file association (i wanted to open an html file in kedit) and, although i removed it, i keep getting a "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/kedit'" error message. how do i fix that? |
| 04:26.21 | t-jack | Guerin: Why would it work now? Wha'd you do with my comp? |
| 04:26.45 | Guerin | cef: sometimes, but rarely, and I'd consider that a design flaw in a program. |
| 04:26.46 | cef | Guerin: and anyway, while it's not as big a problem in the debian world, do you know every bit of code you run? do you know exactly how it behaves? |
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| 04:26.50 | Guerin | t-jack: who knoes. |
| 04:27.04 | cievo | BarbuJ: ehm.... :-) reinstall package |
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| 04:27.05 | Guerin | t-jack: I have NFI why it crashed ITFP, but it shouldn't. |
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| 04:27.12 | deadcat | jcole_s91: not really sure since i use my own script to do all the work. that and hotplug |
| 04:27.14 | BarbuJ | cievo: kde? |
| 04:27.22 | The_Vulture | cef: equally, I don't know every bit of iptables code though ;) |
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| 04:27.28 | Phated | BarbuJ: Remove KDE. :) |
| 04:27.30 | scarynetworkguy | cef, I know every packet I send out. But then agian I am a freak |
| 04:27.33 | nixerx | Ok ...im running sarge for the first time... |
| 04:27.38 | Guerin | cef: good point. But, (asking the obvious counterpoint) how does adding MORE code you don't understand (a firewall) help that? |
| 04:27.43 | cievo | BarbuJ: shit...hmm...ask some if he uses KDE and ask him to mail it to you :) |
| 04:27.45 | nixerx | actually running Debian for the first time too! |
| 04:27.50 | cef | Guerin: true, but you'd prefer to rely only on one fallback? |
| 04:27.53 | t-jack | Guerin: Okay... |
| 04:28.02 | The_Vulture | Guerin: because it's actually less. If the firewall works, it doesn't matter how the programs behind it work |
| 04:28.09 | cievo | nixerx: congs to you :) |
| 04:28.17 | The_Vulture | within reason |
| 04:28.23 | Guerin | cef: it's more about swapping one set of potentially buggy code for another. |
| 04:28.27 | BarbuJ | the weird thing is that kedit actually opens when i click on the file i want to edit... except it opens twice and, after i close it, i get the error message (also twice)... |
| 04:28.28 | cef | The_Vulture: not exactly.. but you're on the right track |
| 04:28.34 | nixerx | cievo, I must say that it's Kicak Ass!!! |
| 04:28.57 | cievo | nixerx: we all know :)_ that's why we are using it :) |
| 04:29.01 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy: The idea of less code making a difference when it's all stuff you don't know is stupid, yes, I was just following cef's argument |
| 04:29.42 | Guerin | I see what the both of y'all are saying, but I see little potential gain in exchange for what can be quite substantial hassles in setup, maintenance, etc. |
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| 04:29.45 | nixerx | cievo, well Im coming from YEARS of using slack...I didnt have to fangle with anything on this install...im stoked |
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| 04:29.53 | cef | Guerin: how big is iptables? how big is the code in all your programs? now, given that bigger programs tend to have more bugs. but conversely it's another layer to fall back on. and it's not a very big layer |
| 04:30.00 | scarynetworkguy | The_Vulture, nevermind. I stopped having these conversations with anyone who has not read and understood "Secrets and Lies" |
| 04:30.22 | The_Vulture | Guerin: I think in general it's easier to setup a firewall properly than to ensure that all your services and other apps are squared away |
| 04:30.48 | cievo | nixerx: and you have some Qs for us ? :) |
| 04:31.01 | cef | The_Vulture: I prefer to do both.. in the case of config breakage (eg: package upgrade).. it covers my rear |
| 04:31.08 | Guerin | The_Vulture: but, if you're responsible, you'll ensure your apps are clean and secure ANYWAY ... and then running a firewall becomes almost pointless. |
| 04:31.15 | nixerx | cievo, Why the hell didnt some one tell me to use Debian a long time agot :) |
| 04:31.34 | cievo | nixerx: Can't help ya with that :-D |
| 04:31.34 | Guerin | better to have all your services secured and then not bother with a firewall, I say, than to bother with a firewall but not bother securing your services |
| 04:31.52 | cievo | !wtfswk nixerx |
| 04:31.54 | scarynetworkguy | The_Vulture, go learn so you know enought to even have a thought on the subject. It is attitudes like yours that lead to networks with crunchy outsides and nice creamy insides |
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| 04:32.10 | nixerx | cievo, LOL. |
| 04:32.25 | Guerin | cievo: it's htfswk |
| 04:32.27 | cef | Guerin: ok.. what about services at the IP layer that are provided by the kernel? such as ICMP response packets? 'what if' the kernel had a problem parsing a certain type of ICMP packet? an in-kernel firewall like iptables is about the only thing that can save you |
| 04:32.39 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, OTOH is talking about defense in depth which is *always* a good idea |
| 04:33.04 | cievo | Guerin: shit :) |
| 04:33.06 | Guerin | cef: indeed. |
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| 04:33.15 | cievo | haha |
| 04:33.17 | cef | scarynetworkguy: yeah, but relying on only one layer of defence is also flawed |
| 04:33.21 | scarynetworkguy | cef, the point is that you need both and neither is more or less important than the other. |
| 04:33.42 | cef | scarynetworkguy: which is exactly what I was saying. *grin* |
| 04:33.55 | scarynetworkguy | cef right of course. That is why current attitudes about firewalls piss me off so badly. |
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| 04:34.21 | sohail | wow debians defaults are great |
| 04:34.32 | scarynetworkguy | cef, see but Guerin never said to get rid of firewalls he made the point that securing your shit is just if not more important. And he is right |
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| 04:34.55 | Guerin | baqsically, the default iptables config (deny ; accept from within) doesn't provide much security, though. |
| 04:35.32 | cef | scarynetworkguy: <Guerin> The_Vulture: right. My point being that your internet-facing box, if all its services are properly secured and updated, need only have a firewall if it's protecting other, weaker, boxen. |
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| 04:35.35 | Guerin | well, I sqaid that firewalls are of low marginal value once a system is preoperly secured - not of NO value, but not of very high value either |
| 04:35.51 | cef | scarynetworkguy: you were saying? to me, that pretty much says "you don't need a firewall".. |
| 04:35.55 | Guerin | I did go on to qualify that |
| 04:36.13 | cef | Guerin: ahh.. must have missed it then |
| 04:36.24 | t-jack | Hey Guerin, sorry for tripping paranoid then. |
| 04:36.27 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy: yes yes, having everything secured at all levels is a good idea. let's move on.. |
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| 04:37.02 | nefarios | Has anyone had issues with the nvidia drivers? |
| 04:37.12 | cef | scarynetworkguy: btw: do you read the isc handlers diary at all? |
| 04:37.30 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy: and for someone who claimed not to talk about it, you did do a bit of talking ;) |
| 04:37.36 | scarynetworkguy | cef, yup |
| 04:37.36 | Guerin | t-jack: ? |
| 04:37.40 | The_Vulture | nefarios: define 'isseus' |
| 04:37.43 | scarynetworkguy | The_Vulture, oh well |
| 04:37.47 | The_Vulture | s/eu/ue/ |
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| 04:37.59 | cef | scarynetworkguy: heh.. I'm just waiting for episode 2 in "Follow the bouncing malware". |
| 04:38.09 | nefarios | Game lockups, X server weirdness (sometimes it starts, sometimes it doesnt, this is related to after i play a game) total system halts, etc |
| 04:38.12 | scarynetworkguy | cef pretty cool stuff for sure |
| 04:38.20 | cafuego | poo |
| 04:38.25 | t-jack | Guerin: If you didn't catch it I guess I didn't offend. :) |
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| 04:38.30 | Guerin | cafuego: stage 2 not working out? |
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| 04:38.34 | Guerin | t-jack: nope. |
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| 04:39.15 | cef | scarynetworkguy: I'm contributing most of 2 x /24's to dshield.... I just drop the packets anyway.. so not like I'm making things worse |
| 04:39.21 | The_Vulture | nefarios: no, can't say I have. Well with the latest drivers (6*) sometimes the x server will crash as I go to exit UT2K4, but that's intermittent and about the only thing I've noticed |
| 04:39.26 | cafuego | Guerin: Nono, then i flipped the main DNS ip's over to the secondary box the Cisco needed to restarted to flush its arp cache; lost a 1 year+ uptime. |
| 04:39.46 | nefarios | The_Vulture: What kernel? |
| 04:39.52 | The_Vulture | nefarios: 2.6.7 |
| 04:39.55 | cafuego | just slightly peeved |
| 04:39.58 | nefarios | :( |
| 04:40.05 | nefarios | I just dont get it, :-/ |
| 04:40.06 | scarynetworkguy | cef pretty good policy for home. |
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| 04:40.36 | nefarios | The_Vulture: Ive tried everything. Americas Army segaults sometimes on start, soemtimes it doesnt, sometimes it halts the system. This is the same with something like bzflag |
| 04:40.45 | cef | scarynetworkguy: hahah.. wish I had 2 x /24's for home.. this is work! |
| 04:40.54 | sohail | just for kicks, im trying to load openoffice on my 486 |
| 04:40.54 | sohail | hehe |
| 04:40.59 | nefarios | The_Vulture: The problem is so inconsistant and random i cant track it down |
| 04:41.03 | scarynetworkguy | cef oh ok I get it. Sorry I was not paying attention |
| 04:41.11 | cef | sohail: got a spare week up your sleeve eh? |
| 04:41.17 | sohail | heh |
| 04:41.22 | az[a]zel | sohail: next month, tell me how it went |
| 04:41.57 | sohail | i just got the splashscreen |
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| 04:42.01 | az[a]zel | I loaded star office 5.0 on a PR233 with 32MB of RAM.. it took 7 whole minutes just for the thing the *close* |
| 04:42.13 | nefarios | The_Vulture: What sort of hardware do you have? |
| 04:42.22 | The_Vulture | nefarios: GeForce 4 Ti4400 |
| 04:42.30 | The_Vulture | athlon 1.4, etc |
| 04:42.35 | nefarios | The_Vulture: Chipset? |
| 04:42.47 | az[a]zel | sad thing is, office97 worked fine on that machine :/ |
| 04:42.47 | The_Vulture | mobo? *shrugs* |
| 04:43.02 | nefarios | The_Vulture: No, chipset... via, nforce... etc |
| 04:43.06 | sohail | az[a]zel thats to be expected |
| 04:43.17 | The_Vulture | via something |
| 04:43.37 | nsadmin | az[a]zel: 32 megs of ram is (sadly) a drop in the bucket now |
| 04:43.38 | nefarios | Maybe my problems are nforce related, i dotn even know, this is highly depressing |
| 04:43.40 | az[a]zel | even office2k works fine on older machines |
| 04:43.50 | az[a]zel | why does oo.o have to be such a pig :/ |
| 04:44.06 | sohail | because it was made when hardware was cheaper i guess |
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| 04:44.21 | az[a]zel | nsadmin: yeah that same machine now has 96MB of RAM in it.. scrougned from other machines |
| 04:44.43 | az[a]zel | sohail: it's slow even on my 1.4 athlon... hopefully when I get my athlon 64 3200+ it'll be bareable |
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| 04:44.51 | nsadmin | and now the 7 mins is down to 3? :) |
| 04:45.02 | cievo | all...is better to have mozilla or mozilla-firefox ? |
| 04:45.13 | scarynetworkguy | !best |
| 04:45.13 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! |
| 04:45.14 | sohail | sexond |
| 04:45.15 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hah. :P |
| 04:45.17 | az[a]zel | cievo: firefox is lighter/better IMO |
| 04:45.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
| 04:45.31 | cievo | oki :)))) |
| 04:45.34 | cievo | thanks |
| 04:45.36 | Phated | cievo: It depends on your usage. |
| 04:45.46 | cievo | Phated: just to browse :) |
| 04:45.47 | az[a]zel | nsadmin: havent had the guts to try oo.o on that machine again |
| 04:45.58 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Good thing I can get those silly hints, eh? ;) |
| 04:46.02 | Phated | cievo: FireFox. |
| 04:46.05 | cievo | all...what is a difference between them ?! like main ones |
| 04:46.08 | cievo | Phated: ok |
| 04:46.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yes it is |
| 04:46.14 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 04:46.15 | nsadmin | one thing about firefox, it doesn't behave correctly when browsing different ports of web browsers on one ip |
| 04:46.17 | Phated | cievo: :) |
| 04:46.39 | az[a]zel | nsadmin: my friend and I loaded our honors thesis into it (a 120 page word document, lots of images).. and it ate all of our RAM (512MB) and all of our swap (200MB), and made the machine crawl to a halt |
| 04:46.46 | Phated | Though it allows opening in tabs for bookmarks, which the Mozilla broswer doesn't. |
| 04:46.54 | ubb | mozilla has everything |
| 04:46.58 | ubb | firefox is just the browser |
| 04:47.01 | Phated | s/sw/ws/ |
| 04:47.01 | scarynetworkguy | nsadmin, I use firefox to browse odd ports all day long 5 days a week |
| 04:47.12 | Phated | Yay for you, scarynetworkguy . |
| 04:47.23 | nsadmin | I don't... wonder what's wrong |
| 04:47.38 | scarynetworkguy | Yay for me! |
| 04:47.48 | cievo | all...will mozilla-firefox support java applets ? |
| 04:47.52 | nsadmin | scarynetworkguy: several web servers on one IP? |
| 04:47.55 | Phated | My goodness. Sometimes, I am more than glad there is a Windows version of FireFox... :| |
| 04:48.07 | Phated | cievo: After installing the JRE, yes. |
| 04:48.14 | scarynetworkguy | nsadmin, same webserver listening on more than one port |
| 04:48.21 | cievo | Phated: oki :) |
| 04:48.32 | nsadmin | and you browse the different ports? |
| 04:48.38 | Phated | cievo: No problem. :) |
| 04:48.39 | scarynetworkguy | nsadmin, yuppers |
| 04:48.47 | az[a]zel | firefox still takes a good couple of minutes to load on a PR333 with 64MB RAM (slow 1.6GB disk though) |
| 04:48.56 | nsadmin | that would confirm it... something's wrong |
| 04:49.22 | Guerin | az[a]zel: a couple MINUTES? |
| 04:49.37 | az[a]zel | Guerin: I haven't timed it.. but it seems like an eternity |
| 04:49.52 | cievo | az[a]zel: :-D |
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| 04:49.59 | Phated | az[a]zel: I have a PIII 500 MHz with 64 RAM, loads in < thirty seconds. |
| 04:50.02 | Guerin | az[a]zel: mine takes ~10sec on a p2-233 with 256 and a laptop HDD that throughputs 7MB per second |
| 04:50.05 | nsadmin | scarynetworkguy: my version string is "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040614 Firefox/0.8" |
| 04:50.10 | michal | hmm... is xchat the only decent graphical irc client? |
| 04:50.16 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ah-HAH! |
| 04:50.26 | az[a]zel | scarynetworkguy: win98 actually.. it's not my machine, I set it up for somebody else |
| 04:50.30 | Guerin | michal: yes. ANd it only barely qualifies as decent |
| 04:50.32 | scarynetworkguy | nsadmin, remind on monday and I'll give you the version that I do it with |
| 04:50.34 | ddn | looking for cs and muonline server administrators |
| 04:50.34 | Phated | michal: irssi is God of all IRC clients. |
| 04:50.50 | az[a]zel | Guerin: oh right.. well.. it's probably not a couple of minutes.. 30 seconds maybe |
| 04:50.55 | Phated | ddn: Didn't you ask this a while ago? Didn't nobody answer? |
| 04:50.59 | michal | Phated: if i can't control it with a mouse only then it's not much use |
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| 04:51.01 | nsadmin | scarynetworkguy: any idea when you last upgraded it? and from what source? |
| 04:51.08 | Phated | az[a]zel: Heh. :) |
| 04:51.10 | scarynetworkguy | nsadmin, Monday in North America that is |
| 04:51.10 | Guerin | az[a]zel: heh. I understand that "fuck, this has been going for EVER" feeling though |
| 04:51.10 | Thiago_Sale | hey |
| 04:51.19 | scarynetworkguy | az[a]zel, well that would explain it |
| 04:51.20 | Phated | michal: You... you... -point-and-clicker-! |
| 04:51.36 | Guerin | michal: why? You can't type with a mouse |
| 04:51.43 | Phated | az[a]zel: I was talking about Win98 too. |
| 04:51.44 | michal | Phated: well that's all you can do when the only input device is a mouse |
| 04:51.47 | az[a]zel | Guerin: heh, but I booted knoppix on it, and ran Mozilla (full) under icewm.. and that really did take about >5 minutes |
| 04:51.51 | cievo | Guerin: :-D |
| 04:51.56 | scarynetworkguy | michal, WTF? |
| 04:52.00 | Guerin | michal: why lift your hands off the keyboard unless you have to? |
| 04:52.00 | Phated | michal: Eh? No keyboard? How do you IRC, then? |
| 04:52.02 | michal | Guerin: i have no need to type. |
| 04:52.04 | az[a]zel | Guerin: quad speed cdrom drive though, heh |
| 04:52.11 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I was close it was winders |
| 04:52.12 | michal | Guerin: because there is no keyboard? |
| 04:52.16 | The_Vulture | michal: read only IRC? |
| 04:52.19 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeppers. :) |
| 04:52.24 | Guerin | michal: do tell me of this clever trick, then? VR? |
| 04:52.26 | cievo | michal has a sister who types instead of him :) |
| 04:52.32 | Phated | michal: How very vouyeuristic of you. |
| 04:52.41 | michal | basically yes. read only irc.. just to see what's happening or if anyone has messaged/mentioned you |
| 04:52.54 | Phated | Errr... s/vou/vo/ |
| 04:53.01 | nsadmin | qwertyclicky? |
| 04:53.08 | cievo | michal: and how the fuck do you type now ? |
| 04:53.12 | scarynetworkguy | I'm still lost |
| 04:53.14 | Phated | michal: And if anyone has, how the heck do you reply without a keyboard, eh? |
| 04:53.15 | Guerin | michal: .... why? |
| 04:53.21 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:53.21 | michal | with irc running on the tv and no keyboard (on purpose) |
| 04:53.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye, we all are. |
| 04:53.29 | Phated | michal: You -fiend-! |
| 04:53.34 | The_Vulture | he wants IRC on his PVR then he can go to the right computer if he wants to talk |
| 04:53.44 | michal | Phated: you don't reply from the tv.. but if there is nobody to reply to you don't need to anyway |
| 04:53.53 | Guerin | ... |
| 04:53.58 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, good I thought it was just me getting stupid agian |
| 04:54.05 | nsadmin | flybrows? |
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| 04:54.15 | Guerin | whatever does it for ya, buddy. |
| 04:54.17 | az[a]zel | Millhouse, lower those eyebrows! |
| 04:54.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: No, no, this person's stupidness is tubbing off on all of us... |
| 04:54.25 | Phated | az[a]zel: Heh. |
| 04:54.29 | michal | well i have bittorrent running that way.. and email notifaction.. works great |
| 04:54.56 | cef | Phated: tubbing off? *amused* |
| 04:55.02 | Phated | michal: Yes, but those are non-participatory events. IRC is -pure- participation. |
| 04:55.06 | Phated | cef: Oh, heh. |
| 04:55.08 | cievo | michal: and you have no key ?! |
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| 04:55.19 | Phated | tubbing off, haha. |
| 04:55.19 | michal | i don't want to participate in irc 24/7.. |
| 04:55.23 | scarynetworkguy | cef, I was trying not to think about it |
| 04:55.24 | The_Vulture | Phated: not really, you can idle and just watch |
| 04:55.26 | The_Vulture | I do |
| 04:55.39 | The_Vulture | and wait until there's something you want to engage in |
| 04:55.40 | Phated | The_Vulture: Aren't you typing now, however? |
| 04:55.41 | az[a]zel | The_Vulture: thrill-a-minute action |
| 04:55.41 | Guerin | cievo: he has an almost-dumb terminal, then he has a proper terminal he goes to if he wants to interact |
| 04:55.45 | cef | scarynetworkguy: I don't wanna KNOW what you were trying not to think about. *grin* |
| 04:55.47 | nsadmin | that's just unhealthy :) |
| 04:55.48 | scarynetworkguy | some things should just be allowed to pas |
| 04:55.49 | The_Vulture | Phated: now I choose to participate |
| 04:56.04 | The_Vulture | but there's a lot of time I'm watching channels without talking in them |
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| 04:56.06 | Phated | Guerin: How silly, when a proper terminal, in the hands of the right user, can so easily be dumb. |
| 04:56.13 | michal | well personally i like to have irc running all the time.. and only drop in when it suits me |
| 04:56.15 | cievo | Guerin: oh i c :) |
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| 04:56.20 | Phated | The_Vulture: Yeha, but I'd like a keyboard so I could jump in as and when. |
| 04:56.21 | scarynetworkguy | cef, I think I hear black helicopters. gotta run |
| 04:56.23 | michal | and the only machine that this can happen on is the pvr |
| 04:56.25 | cievo | all...bye for now :) |
| 04:56.33 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: See ya in a bit. |
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| 04:56.57 | The_Vulture | Phated: yeah, but he's setting it up on his TV, just so he can say, check in the add breaks, and if it's worth it, go to his computer and start chatting |
| 04:56.57 | michal | i wouldn't want to read irc off the tv for more than acouple of minutes anyway |
| 04:57.13 | cef | scarynetworkguy: you should've paid your taxes! |
| 04:57.21 | Guerin | The_Vulture: those priorities are all wrong :O) |
| 04:57.25 | nsadmin | yeah, nokidding... your eyes would be shot in no time |
| 04:57.28 | scarynetworkguy | cef it ain't my taxes their after buddy |
| 04:57.29 | az[a]zel | <fbibot> WARNING: Terrorist activity deteected |
| 04:57.38 | Phated | The_Vulture: Eeeew. |
| 04:57.41 | Phated | Bad setup. |
| 04:57.53 | The_Vulture | Guerin: hehe, ;) yeah, I just have DTV on my computer, so I don't have to move anywhere |
| 04:57.55 | Phated | cef: It wasn't the taxes, silly, it was all the network equipment he kept "borrowing". |
| 04:57.59 | michal | Phated: or if for example The_Vulture asks a PVR related question I will be able to answer later.. as is I'll never know.. and even if I could hvae some sort of log file it'd be too much trouble to check |
| 04:58.01 | The_Vulture | Phated: why's it 'bad'? |
| 04:58.04 | Phated | The_Vulture: How can you still watch TV? |
| 04:58.12 | scarynetworkguy | cef Phated think "thought crime" |
| 04:58.17 | Phated | michal: I guess. *shrugs* |
| 04:58.20 | Guerin | I just have a tv in the same room, and if I hear anything that sounds interesting, I ask my wife what it is :) |
| 04:58.21 | The_Vulture | Phated: like I said, you might just check IRC in the add breaks |
| 04:58.29 | The_Vulture | Guerin: hehe ;) |
| 04:58.35 | michal | i doubt i would check that often :) |
| 04:58.36 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahh, the network equipmet you were -thinking- of borrowing. |
| 04:58.39 | michal | maybe every few hours |
| 04:58.43 | cef | scarynetworkguy: yeah, but they'll take those while they're at it. *grin*. it just raises your profile.. |
| 04:58.45 | nsadmin | <ThoughtBot> Stop thinking about that! |
| 04:58.45 | Phated | The_Vulture: I don't even watch TV anymore. |
| 04:58.48 | The_Vulture | michal: yeah, just an example |
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| 04:58.53 | scarynetworkguy | cef that it does |
| 04:58.54 | az[a]zel | scarynetworkguy: so you live in the land of the free, home of the brave? |
| 04:59.02 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yea lets go with that. :) |
| 04:59.05 | scarynetworkguy | az[a]zel, yuppers |
| 04:59.07 | The_Vulture | Phated: others do.. |
| 04:59.07 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Haha. |
| 04:59.17 | Phated | The_Vulture: Odd. How very odd. |
| 04:59.23 | nsadmin | Phated: that's damn good |
| 04:59.25 | The_Vulture | indubidably |
| 04:59.25 | michal | a graphical, tabbed browser is the most convenient for that sort of setup |
| 04:59.26 | cef | scarynetworkguy: see you stopped looking like the average ordinary citizen.. to the govt, that means trouble |
| 04:59.51 | az[a]zel | land of the think-they-are-free, home of the dont-give-a-shit |
| 04:59.55 | michal | Phated: perhaps there's nothing worth watching on tv where you are |
| 04:59.56 | scarynetworkguy | cef true story. :) |
| 05:00.03 | Phated | nsadmin: Hell yeah! :) I do believe TV uses far, far less brain cells than being on here, where the rapier wit keeps flowing. :) |
| 05:00.26 | Phated | michal: That actually applies to almost anywhere. The only thing I've watched recently was... Hm... |
| 05:00.36 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. :) |
| 05:00.40 | az[a]zel | There is nothing on TV anywhere |
| 05:00.59 | az[a]zel | TV is a government/big media thought control device |
| 05:01.11 | michal | Phated: quite different here. i almost completely ignore the commercial stations except when i want some mindless entertainment.. otherwise it's all current affairs and documentaries or interviews |
| 05:01.15 | nsadmin | it's more than that... they probably do subliminal stuff... and the programming material are all service/fast food commercials without appearing to be |
| 05:01.16 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I'm a bad bad person |
| 05:01.18 | Phated | az[a]zel: Thought suppression, actually. |
| 05:01.21 | cef | only things worth watching on tv tend to get taken off after a short while.. or not shown over here in Aus.. like Firefly.. *8-/ |
| 05:01.32 | The_Vulture | az[a]zel: even greg the bunny? |
| 05:01.36 | Phated | michal: I've watched the Discovery Channel once in a long while. |
| 05:01.44 | michal | Phated: and i gotta say. sometimes america looks like some kind of religious neo-nazi regime |
| 05:01.45 | az[a]zel | cef: and futurama |
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| 05:01.51 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: It's OK, I fully support that. |
| 05:01.57 | az[a]zel | The_Vulture: nfi what that is |
| 05:01.58 | Phated | michal: Hell yeah it does. |
| 05:02.03 | The_Vulture | az[a]zel: best that way |
| 05:02.08 | Phated | Ooo, Futurama, |
| 05:02.09 | Phated | . |
| 05:02.23 | The_Vulture | I found it in the early hours of the morning a few days ago |
| 05:02.25 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, Futurama is on in an hour :) |
| 05:02.29 | netsplit | Hmm ... I still have hope that it'll be different when Bush leaves office. |
| 05:02.33 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Cool for you. :) |
| 05:02.36 | az[a]zel | Nibbler: "They fly through the universe, wiping out all thought", Leela: "They're like flying televisions!" |
| 05:02.36 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy: Lies, all lies. |
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| 05:02.38 | ApEtc | scarynetworkguy: CN? |
| 05:02.44 | Phated | netsplit: You eternal optimist, you. |
| 05:02.49 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yes it is |
| 05:02.52 | cef | az[a]zel: heh.. and only occasionly does something worth watching get shown all the way through (eg: Babylon 5, and even then, they tried to cancel that near the end of season 4) |
| 05:02.53 | michal | Phated: a documentary i recently saw had one of your top generals basically preaching and showing images of "satan" from reconissance photos in iraq :/ |
| 05:02.54 | Phated | az[a]zel: Heh. :) |
| 05:03.05 | Phated | michal: Er, -my- top generals? |
| 05:03.12 | Guerin | whose top generals? |
| 05:03.13 | michal | Phated: of course they'd never show this shit in america.. you'd have had to have been there.. and if you were there then you probably believed it |
| 05:03.19 | Phated | I would like to announce that I am .SG, DAMNIT! |
| 05:03.25 | nsadmin | Phated: you have top generals??! |
| 05:03.27 | The_Vulture | michal: you might want to check Phated's host name |
| 05:03.28 | scarynetworkguy | michal, since when does .sg have anybody over there? |
| 05:03.31 | Guerin | hahah |
| 05:03.32 | Phated | nsadmin: That's the fucking point. |
| 05:03.35 | Guerin | !moron michal |
| 05:03.36 | michal | Phated: sorry.. aren't you in the US? |
| 05:03.36 | dpkg | michal: You are moron #38 |
| 05:03.44 | The_Vulture | 15:03 -!- Phated [~dyana@cm36.omega152.maxonline.com.sg] [Singapore] |
| 05:03.47 | Phated | michal: Damn it, what an assumption to make! |
| 05:03.54 | az[a]zel | cef: yeah, it's like they have an intellectually-stimulating meter, and if it goes too high, they cancel the show |
| 05:03.54 | Guerin | !tell michal about assume |
| 05:03.55 | Phated | The_Vulture: Thank you. :) |
| 05:04.07 | Phated | michal: How the -hell- did you come to a conclusion like that? |
| 05:04.12 | michal | isn't singapore just run by the military anyway? my mistake. |
| 05:04.12 | az[a]zel | Singapore is a country, and a city |
| 05:04.15 | scarynetworkguy | god it was just a stupid black helicopter joke. make the pain stop |
| 05:04.19 | nsadmin | assume (v): makes a ass of u n me? |
| 05:04.22 | Phated | az[a]zel: And an island. |
| 05:04.25 | az[a]zel | and an island |
| 05:04.27 | az[a]zel | snap |
| 05:04.37 | Phated | \o/ I win. :) |
| 05:04.41 | Guerin | and a river? |
| 05:04.46 | az[a]zel | my friend went there for a couple of days |
| 05:04.51 | michal | Phated: i'm not saying it's bad.. it seems to work extremely well for singapore. pretty unique country. |
| 05:04.52 | Phated | And a pretty place. Done. Convo over. |
| 05:05.03 | az[a]zel | huge computer stores.. 7 stories of nothing but computer gear |
| 05:05.04 | Phated | michal: YES, but ow did you -assume- that I was US? |
| 05:05.10 | Phated | Er, how* |
| 05:05.17 | az[a]zel | he reckons some of the shops smelt like cat piss though |
| 05:05.19 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, don't start again |
| 05:05.28 | michal | Phated: because you had shit tv :) |
| 05:05.32 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: 'Tis annoying. |
| 05:05.40 | netsplit | I'd be afraid to go there just in case I somehow got into weird situation, what if I got thrown in jail and finger cut off? |
| 05:05.42 | Phated | michal: Oh, nice, very nice. :( |
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| 05:05.49 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I know but let it go please |
| 05:05.53 | az[a]zel | netsplit: bah it's not like that |
| 05:05.53 | Phated | netsplit: No, no, they ended that some time ago. |
| 05:05.56 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: OK. :) |
| 05:06.03 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, thanks |
| 05:06.10 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Not a problem. :) |
| 05:06.13 | Guerin | !sgsmite michal |
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| 05:06.23 | michal | singapore has very strict laws.. but wtf not? none of them are unreasonable |
| 05:06.25 | xro | anyone have any experience with hybrid7 and openchanfix? |
| 05:06.30 | Tezkah | aaah! I am a man eating tree! go back to new york, or I will eat you! |
| 05:06.41 | Phated | !phatedsmite michal |
| 05:06.44 | Guerin | michal: really? The death-for-drugs law is reasonable? |
| 05:06.46 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 05:06.48 | netsplit | michal: but aren't they excessive? |
| 05:07.04 | michal | you commit a crime then fuck you.. you deserve to be punished.. none of this i walked uphill to school bullshit |
| 05:07.09 | Phated | Ahem, could we please stop discussing my country's laws? I like the low crime rate, OK? |
| 05:07.19 | az[a]zel | singapore is on the same timezone as perth, yay |
| 05:07.23 | Guerin | michal: and the 150 dollah for not flushing a public toilet, and the no gum, etc... |
| 05:07.27 | Phated | az[a]zel: Are you Perth, then? |
| 05:07.31 | az[a]zel | was weird to fly to another country, and have it be the same time |
| 05:07.34 | Phated | Ahem, could we please stop discussing my country's laws? I like the low crime rate, OK? |
| 05:07.35 | netsplit | I just figure what if they get the wrong person? ... that's why I'm afraid to go there just in case someone decides to frame me. |
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| 05:07.39 | Phated | az[a]zel: Heh. |
| 05:07.41 | Tezkah | yay socialism |
| 05:07.42 | az[a]zel | Phated: nah, adelaide, but we flew adelaide->perth->singapore |
| 05:07.56 | michal | and frankly i think we should have public beating to those who litter in Australia.. it really gives me the shit.. chewing gum is the worst.. i'd go as far as public beheadings.. there's just NO fucking reason th |
| 05:07.56 | Phated | Can we -please-, FFS, stop discussing my country's laws? |
| 05:07.58 | cef | az[a]zel: hehe.. no jet lag on that trip, eh? |
| 05:08.04 | michal | to throw chewing gum on the ground |
| 05:08.21 | Guerin | michal: ok, so you're just a raving lunatic then. Glad we got that cleared up. |
| 05:08.27 | Phated | netsplit: We have an excellent judicial system, so shut up. |
| 05:08.32 | az[a]zel | cef: heh, nah, but we only had a short time to switch over to our other flight.. and singapore airport is big.. we were panicking for a while, but it ended up being OK |
| 05:08.35 | Phated | michal: I agree with Guerin. |
| 05:08.53 | cef | michal: yeah but you're in Brisbane. you get tonnes of tourists and they're usually the worst offenders |
| 05:08.54 | michal | gurin: you're one of those hippies that likes to shit in public and make others clean it uo aren't you? aren't you!? admit it!! |
| 05:09.03 | nsadmin | iirc, he has a very long history here... |
| 05:09.16 | nsadmin | long trolling history |
| 05:09.17 | Guerin | michal: No, actually, I'm one of the minority in my current locale who DOESN'T. |
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| 05:09.31 | Guerin | michal: (exaggeration) |
| 05:09.32 | az[a]zel | michal: speaking of that, somebody shat at my local busstop.. was fucking disgusting |
| 05:09.34 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, :) |
| 05:09.41 | michal | Guerin: and you know why you're in the miniroty? lax laws that let peopel shit where they want! |
| 05:09.43 | Phated | az[a]zel: Eeeew. |
| 05:09.50 | Phated | michal: Shut up. |
| 05:09.53 | cef | Guerin: it's all those sheep you guys have over there.. they just shit wherever they want |
| 05:09.54 | az[a]zel | Phated: I haven't sat there again.. :) |
| 05:10.02 | Phated | az[a]zel: Good for you, mate. :) |
| 05:10.03 | Guerin | michal: No. You have NFI what you're talking about. |
| 05:10.14 | az[a]zel | haha New Zealanders and sheep.. how predictable |
| 05:10.20 | scarynetworkguy | cef since when does .ko have sheep? |
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| 05:10.21 | nsadmin | that didn't stop him from trolling before |
| 05:10.26 | scarynetworkguy | stop it please just stop it |
| 05:10.28 | netsplit | nsadmin: who's trolling? |
| 05:10.32 | Guerin | cef: I haven't seen a sheep since January, when I was last IN New Zealand |
| 05:10.33 | Phated | Damn. Now everytime I say/type the word "mate", I mentally take on an Austrailian accent. |
| 05:10.37 | nsadmin | michal :) |
| 05:10.46 | Guerin | cef: and anyway, the Aussies have WAY more sheep than we do. |
| 05:10.49 | cef | scarynetworkguy: woops.. keep forgetting he's in .ko now |
| 05:10.53 | michal | so now believing in laws is trolling? |
| 05:10.55 | Guerin | .kr |
| 05:10.59 | michal | friggin anarchists |
| 05:11.00 | cef | Guerin: heh.. we also have more land mass |
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| 05:11.06 | Phated | michal: When the channel is #debian, yes. |
| 05:11.11 | scarynetworkguy | cef :0 now can we just stop please |
| 05:11.13 | Guerin | michal: no. Blieving in laws for the sake of laws has always been trolling. |
| 05:11.15 | scarynetworkguy | ,kr my bad |
| 05:11.22 | Phated | Ooh, we're anarchists now. :) |
| 05:11.22 | Jambon | i need help setting up my ps2 connector from my usb mouse. help anyone? |
| 05:11.23 | michal | bah.. without laws there is no social contract and no consequences |
| 05:11.25 | cef | Guerin: .kr then.. sorry.. |
| 05:11.26 | Guerin | cef: that just means you have to run further to catch them :) |
| 05:11.38 | Phated | Guerin: Haha. |
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| 05:11.53 | nsadmin | michal: debian-legal@lists.debian.org |
| 05:11.55 | Guerin | for sharing, of course |
| 05:12.00 | Guerin | opps, what a typo :) |
| 05:12.00 | netsplit | ok, who's in .kr? |
| 05:12.03 | nsadmin | discuss law there :) |
| 05:12.09 | Phated | netsplit: Guerin. |
| 05:12.16 | netsplit | I can't keep up with the personalities AND the conversation :/ |
| 05:12.23 | Phated | netsplit: You suck. ;) |
| 05:12.32 | cef | Guerin: don't need to catch them.. got no need for 'em.. Marino sheep, like seagulls, are pests.. they'll be here with the cockroaches after the world's suffered a nuclear winter.. |
| 05:12.32 | netsplit | bah! |
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| 05:12.42 | az[a]zel | Phated: so is there anywhere in singapore that's not totally built up? do you live in a house, or a high rise apartment block? |
| 05:12.47 | Phated | netsplit: Heh, kidding. :) |
| 05:12.55 | Guerin | cef: hahah. You take your lambchops and woolly socks for granted. |
| 05:13.07 | michal | bullshit.. humans are pests.. the worst kind.. |
| 05:13.10 | cef | Guerin: i don't eat lamb most of the time |
| 05:13.10 | Phated | az[a]zel: We actually have golf courses, believe it or not. but I do live in a very nice apartment which isn't high-rise. |
| 05:13.14 | scarynetworkguy | mmm woolly socks |
| 05:13.26 | az[a]zel | Phated: gotta have golf courses :) |
| 05:13.32 | nsadmin | michal: in this case, we agree :) |
| 05:13.44 | cef | michal: no disputing that... however there is a competition for second place |
| 05:13.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Nooo....! Not seppuku! Hang on, that's like hari kiri, right? |
| 05:13.45 | nsadmin | at least at the moment |
| 05:13.53 | Phated | az[a]zel: Heh, not that I care about them. :) |
| 05:14.00 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, exactly |
| 05:14.13 | az[a]zel | Phated: my friend said it's nuts there.. just people everywhere.. I suppose you get used to it.. but in Australia you get used to walking around without seeing anybody |
| 05:14.13 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahh, I did think so. |
| 05:14.18 | michal | perhaps we can set up death camps.. umm.. involuntary euthanasia clinics to help cleanse the world |
| 05:14.21 | scarynetworkguy | I blame myself |
| 05:14.24 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Nooo....! Not seppuku! |
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| 05:14.28 | cef | Golf courses should be transformed into cheap housing for the homeless |
| 05:14.36 | Phated | az[a]zel: Yeah, I've never had a problem. :) |
| 05:14.36 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
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| 05:14.46 | az[a]zel | Phated: have you ever been to australia? It's only 4.5 hours away :) |
| 05:14.52 | Phated | cef: There are very, -very- few homeless here. |
| 05:14.57 | Phated | az[a]zel: No... :( |
| 05:15.06 | michal | Phated: perhaps it's illegal to be homeless? :) |
| 05:15.21 | Phated | michal: Either way, there are few of them, which is good. |
| 05:15.22 | netsplit | are there restrictions on travel from .sg? |
| 05:15.33 | Phated | netsplit: Don't believe so. |
| 05:15.37 | nsadmin | and people wonder why I got miffed the other day when the regulars kept insisting on off-topic discussion while I was trying to help someone here :) |
| 05:15.48 | scarynetworkguy | michal, stop it just stop it now. |
| 05:15.48 | cef | I mean, you hit the ball with a weird looking stick.. then you walk up to where you hit it, and hit it again! be glad you found the thing! |
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| 05:15.58 | Phated | cef: Haha! |
| 05:16.07 | az[a]zel | I've only played golf once, but it was kinda fun |
| 05:16.12 | az[a]zel | putting is ultra frustrating |
| 05:16.23 | az[a]zel | driving is fun |
| 05:16.26 | michal | i think singapore is a bit big brotherish (in the 1984 sense) but it's almost like a benevolent dictatorship. which i think is possibly the best for of government (and I don't think there's any form that's even near perfect) |
| 05:16.30 | Phated | az[a]zel: Meh, skating's funner (which -is- actually a word.) |
| 05:16.34 | netsplit | I had golf in gym class ... no golfcart though :( |
| 05:16.40 | Phated | michal: Shut up. |
| 05:16.43 | Phated | az[a]zel: Yay. |
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| 05:17.01 | cef | az[a]zel: it's only fun if you can make the ball hit the people in front.. clear out some of that deadwood from the DNA pool |
| 05:17.03 | az[a]zel | Phated: ice skating, or roller skating? both hurt my back after a while |
| 05:17.08 | Phated | michal: Try #politics --> |
| 05:17.09 | az[a]zel | cef: haha |
| 05:17.15 | Phated | az[a]zel: I'm a ice person, nice and cool. |
| 05:17.17 | michal | Phated: bah. make me. I'm not under .sg jurisdiction. I can praise your government without fear from .au |
| 05:17.18 | netsplit | lol @ cdf |
| 05:17.20 | netsplit | cef* |
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| 05:17.40 | az[a]zel | Phated: oh yeah, it's like always hot in singapore isn't it? it was 30 degrees and humid when we landed there |
| 05:17.41 | Phated | michal: I don't need that kind of praise, thank you. We're a democratic republic, so shut up. |
| 05:17.42 | nsadmin | ice person? |
| 05:17.49 | Phated | az[a]zel: Yeah, pretty warm. |
| 05:17.56 | Phated | nsadmin: Re ice/roller skating. |
| 05:18.03 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 05:18.04 | Phated | Errr, WRT |
| 05:18.08 | Phated | But either way. |
| 05:18.10 | michal | Phated: what's in a name? ie The Democratic Peoples Republic of China |
| 05:18.23 | cef | you know how to raise the morale of the homeless? give them there own magazine.. seems every popular group has their own magazine.. god sakes, there's a magazine devoted to walking! WALKING! |
| 05:18.24 | Phated | michal: That which we call a rose... Yeah, yah. |
| 05:18.24 | netsplit | Phated: I think you'd be a lot more sane if you just did /ignore michal lol. |
| 05:18.26 | az[a]zel | michal: you're comparing singapore to china now? |
| 05:18.33 | Phated | netsplit: Heh. |
| 05:18.40 | Phated | az[a]zel: True enough. |
| 05:18.42 | michal | azulema: no. comparing the significance of how you name your country |
| 05:18.55 | Phated | Who;s azulema? |
| 05:18.59 | Guerin | michal: where's that? |
| 05:19.00 | az[a]zel | michal: I'm not afraid of going to singapore, but I'd be a bit worried about going to china (though I've known people who have, and it was fine) |
| 05:19.02 | Phated | Who's* |
| 05:19.18 | michal | bloody hell.. how many nicks starting with az should i ezxpect in a channel ? :/ |
| 05:19.25 | Phated | az[a]zel: I've been to Hong Kong -and- China, both pretty decent places. :) |
| 05:19.27 | az[a]zel | only thing about singapore that would worry me, is getting vegetarian food |
| 05:19.39 | michal | i not afraid of china or singapore.. but i am afraid of saudi arabia |
| 05:19.44 | Guerin | michal: there's no such country as the democratic people's republic of china, you realise |
| 05:19.54 | Phated | az[a]zel: It's -very- simple, because there are plenty of Buddhists around, thus, begetarian food abounds. |
| 05:20.13 | Phated | michal: Aye, it's just the People's Republic of China. |
| 05:20.13 | cef | az[a]zel: getting edible food for me.. I'm allergic to so many things... it's annoying |
| 05:20.20 | nsadmin | begetarian? what's that? |
| 05:20.25 | michal | well try korea then :) |
| 05:20.34 | Phated | nsadmin: Beefaterians. :) |
| 05:20.42 | michal | Guerin: and i don't see how that affects my dogma in any case |
| 05:20.59 | Guerin | michal: get it right. If you're going to opine on matters of international politics, best have your facts straight to avoid looking like a moron, eh? |
| 05:20.59 | az[a]zel | Phated: ah right.. yeah, my friend said he had a bit of trouble.. .lucky there was plenty of indian places around.. but he reckons it looked quite unsanitary.. he didn't get around much though, only the main shopping areas I suppose |
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| 05:21.00 | Phated | Hey, Korea's cool, I've been there. Seoul's pretty neat, got me a nice set of gi. |
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| 05:21.04 | cef | nsadmin: like vegetarian, but with bits of buddhists cut up into small pieces.. diced if you will |
| 05:21.05 | michal | Yemen maybe a better one |
| 05:21.05 | nsadmin | Phated: got a karma? |
| 05:21.20 | Phated | az[a]zel: -Looks- unsanitary, -is- delicioues. |
| 05:21.24 | Phated | nsadmin: Of course. :) |
| 05:21.28 | az[a]zel | Phated: haha |
| 05:21.51 | nsadmin | Good... could you get in it, start it up and run over michal's dogma? |
| 05:22.02 | Phated | az[a]zel: For real, though, Thailand and Malaysia are much more unsanitary-looking, andf I've always been fine at both places. |
| 05:22.05 | Phated | nsadmin: Aye. |
| 05:22.06 | Guerin | !beer nsadmin |
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| 05:22.34 | Phated | and* |
| 05:22.41 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I am sorry really I am |
| 05:22.42 | michal | Phated: have you been to North Korea? I hear it's wonderful at this time of the year ;P |
| 05:22.46 | az[a]zel | Phated: fair enough |
| 05:22.48 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Eh? |
| 05:22.54 | Guerin | michal: I'm planning a trip next year. |
| 05:22.57 | az[a]zel | !troll michal |
| 05:22.59 | Phated | michal: Have you? If not, hush. |
| 05:23.04 | Guerin | michal: and who have you heard that from? |
| 05:23.07 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, all started off of the stupid ass black helicopter joke. |
| 05:23.09 | Phated | az[a]zel: Thank you. :) |
| 05:23.29 | michal | Guerin: i'd watch out.. the us invasion is due any year now. |
| 05:23.30 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Really? It's OK, though, I perpetuated it also, in a sense. :) |
| 05:23.39 | az[a]zel | USA is more scary, they want our fingerprints and mugshots just to enter the country |
| 05:23.48 | Phated | az[a]zel: Creeeeeeepy. |
| 05:24.12 | cef | az[a]zel: be glad that's all they want.. next thing will probably be a stool & urine sample |
| 05:24.19 | az[a]zel | neglecting the fact that the 9/11 high jackers came in on valid vesa's, and photographing them would've achieved nothing |
| 05:24.35 | Phated | az[a]zel: Truly, you speak. :) |
| 05:24.36 | nsadmin | they were photographed |
| 05:24.49 | az[a]zel | well there you go |
| 05:24.51 | michal | it's just an excuse to build a huge database |
| 05:24.52 | nsadmin | in fact they were videotaped entering |
| 05:24.58 | Phated | az[a]zel: Yeah. |
| 05:25.01 | cef | az[a]zel: rule #1 of the government: never let facts get in the way of a good police state. |
| 05:25.03 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, for a place that was once pretty open yes it is. It is in the last 3 years that I have lost my faith that I live in the most open society on earth. damn sad really when you think about the heritage we are fucking over just now |
| 05:25.15 | michal | might help them catch criminals in the future.. by the same token as pre-emptive invasion helps prevent wars |
| 05:25.20 | Guerin | michal: the US will never invade North Korea with a conventional force as long as the DPRK can destroy seoul within the first 24 hours |
| 05:25.23 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah... It's sad. :) |
| 05:25.45 | Phated | Guerin: Which of course they can, eh? :) |
| 05:25.55 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, fate gave us the best minds of the 18th century and we are just screwing what they gave us. :( |
| 05:26.02 | michal | Guerin: well you could always destroy the north first.. though i doubt they would go that far |
| 05:26.06 | az[a]zel | it's interesting how bush names his initiatives.. like the "Healthy Forests Initiative", basically allowed logging companies to log whatever they want, including old growth trees, and build roads.. so basically, destroying the forest |
| 05:26.08 | Guerin | Phated: 600,000 artillery rounds per hour, apparently. |
| 05:26.12 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I agree completely. :| |
| 05:26.16 | Guerin | michal: no, they couldn't. |
| 05:26.16 | Phated | Guerin: Yowza. |
| 05:26.17 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, minutes :) |
| 05:26.19 | az[a]zel | "Patriot Act" was anything but |
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| 05:26.34 | cievo | all...hello again |
| 05:26.41 | cievo | ;) |
| 05:26.43 | Phated | az[a]zel: One must deceive in politics, don't you see? It's a prerequisite. |
| 05:26.43 | michal | Guerin: couldn;t? there's nothing america can't do at the moment. |
| 05:26.45 | infinity005 | az[a]zel. what state do you live in? |
| 05:27.06 | az[a]zel | "Clean Skies Initiative" basically undid a lot of what was in the Clean Air Act, and allowed more pollutants.. and they removed funding for the EPA to chase up and prosecute violators |
| 05:27.19 | cef | infinity005: he lives in the state of denial: Australia |
| 05:27.20 | az[a]zel | infinity005: Australia, the 53rd state |
| 05:27.34 | michal | i thought israel was the 53rd state |
| 05:27.35 | Guerin | michal: they can't maintain peace in Iraq - a much weaker miliraty situation that the DPRK. |
| 05:27.41 | Phated | az[a]zel: Man, that is disgusting, considering the US outputs most of the pollutants in the atmosphere. |
| 05:27.42 | infinity005 | i would have guess cali . heh |
| 05:27.54 | michal | Guerin: i doubt that the us administration has much interest in peace |
| 05:27.54 | Guerin | michal: again, you have NFIWTFYTA. |
| 05:27.59 | az[a]zel | Phated: they output 25% of greenhouse gases, and only have 4% of the worlds population |
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| 05:28.11 | Guerin | michal: of course they do. They have an election to win. |
| 05:28.16 | michal | Guerin: well they get more fundung than ANY state in the US |
| 05:28.20 | nsadmin | and the bush administration calls scorecard.org the result of an extremist organization when the data served is the goverment's released info :) |
| 05:28.25 | Phated | az[a]zel: EXACTLY. And everyone -else- (mostly) is following the Montreal Protocol. |
| 05:28.38 | nsadmin | (btw, scorecard runs on an ns :) |
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| 05:28.59 | michal | Guerin: and there's more fanatical ant-palestinian zionists in the us than there is in israel |
| 05:29.02 | az[a]zel | Phated: they pulled out of the kyoto treaty as well, which was watered down in the first place to try to get the US to sign |
| 05:29.06 | Phated | nsadmin: Heh. :) You could not resist, could you? ;) |
| 05:29.17 | michal | australia is still churning out the pollutants |
| 05:29.20 | cef | infinity005: hehe.. why california? what gives california that feeling of living on the edge? oh yeah, thr fact that if they get a big quake, they'll probably fall in.. right |
| 05:29.23 | nsadmin | nope :) have you seen the site? |
| 05:29.35 | az[a]zel | Phated: so instead of having 7% less C02 in the air by 2010, they're going to have like 12% more, if they keep going |
| 05:29.38 | Phated | az[a]zel: The absolute idiots. SO much for "No Child Left Behind", more like "No Child Left Alive". |
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| 05:29.52 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I do believe I'll join you. |
| 05:29.55 | infinity005 | cef: umm ...people in california are very anti bush. and very pro enviornment. |
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| 05:29.59 | blaccdd | i have ati 9200 card and i installed the ati drivers from the ati site but when i type fglrxinfo i get "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect" |
| 05:30.00 | az[a]zel | michal: yeah we didn't sign either, probably because our buddies the US didn't.. and John Howard can't think unless Bush tells him what to do |
| 05:30.01 | cef | michal: yeah.. not something I'm proud of |
| 05:30.05 | Daniel304 | mysql still doesn't work ending with error 2002 only starts using mysqld_safe |
| 05:30.07 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass_pr.html |
| 05:30.14 | Phated | Oooh, wired.com :) |
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| 05:30.29 | infinity005 | cef: california is one of the most fucked up states in my opinion. it's very regulated with idiots making the rules. |
| 05:30.30 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, old story very cool geek travel. :) |
| 05:30.36 | cef | infinity005: I know.. I was just being silly |
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| 05:30.41 | michal | i don't think it was because of the US.. i think the government just wanted to keep the option of exploiting the rest ouf our natural resources completely open |
| 05:30.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Awesome. :) |
| 05:30.48 | scarynetworkguy | infinity005, please don't throw gas on the fire. Please |
| 05:30.50 | az[a]zel | Phated: well they did have the "No Millionaire Left Behind" initiatives :) with tax cuts that benefited the richest 5% of the population |
| 05:30.50 | nsadmin | blaccdd: maybe you have something that is simulating gl in software that has to be uninstalled... |
| 05:30.58 | cef | infinity005: what, worse that florida's driving license testing? |
| 05:31.03 | Phated | az[a]zel: Heh. :) |
| 05:31.03 | michal | not EVERYHTING is about pleasing the US |
| 05:31.16 | tralala | is there a debian way of applying patchomatic to a 2.6 kernel? |
| 05:31.30 | Guerin | I really think this discussion should be taken to #politics |
| 05:31.31 | Phated | All that I have adressed for the past hour or so: See you in a bit. |
| 05:31.34 | infinity005 | cef: not familar with that one. heh. driving licenses are too easy to get as it is. |
| 05:31.37 | scarynetworkguy | tralala, have you checked to see if there is a deb for that patch. If so yes there is |
| 05:31.38 | michal | why don't we all just agree with me and then we can move on? |
| 05:31.39 | cef | tralala: not that I'm aware of.. I'd like to know though |
| 05:31.40 | blaccdd | huh |
| 05:31.49 | az[a]zel | michal: yeah it is.. Bush was waving the FTA in front of howards face, so in spite of the fact of very little support for the war in Iraq, he went ahead anyway, to please the US.. turns out the FTA is a big kick in the face for us |
| 05:31.59 | Phated | why don't we all just /ignore michal and move on? |
| 05:32.07 | findme | is there a nslookup equivalent in debian ? |
| 05:32.08 | Guerin | best those of you who want to continue it do so willingly before the ops make you :) |
| 05:32.08 | cievo | politics again ? |
| 05:32.10 | Daniel304 | mysql still doesn't work ending with error 2002 only starts using mysqld_safe |
| 05:32.16 | Guerin | findme: dig, host |
| 05:32.24 | Phated | cievo: As always. :) |
| 05:32.25 | blaccdd | i dont nsadmin |
| 05:32.31 | cef | tralala: though iptables itself has some of the patch-o-matic experimental stuff in it. eg: random - you just need the kernel side |
| 05:32.33 | infinity005 | oh. is this the debian channel? |
| 05:32.37 | tralala | actually, i'm trying to apply patchomatic to a vanilla kernel.org 2.6 kernel |
| 05:32.39 | nsadmin | ok gang... there are people who want -debian- help here. |
| 05:32.39 | az[a]zel | Daniel304: stop talking about computer stuff ;) |
| 05:32.43 | findme | Guerin, thanks, do you know which package is dig in |
| 05:32.47 | blaccdd | nsadmin: unless kde uses gl |
| 05:32.58 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, good idea |
| 05:33.16 | Daniel304 | az[a]zel: sorry dude.. I starting to hate this I'm trying to find an answer or over 4 days now |
| 05:33.16 | az[a]zel | blaccdd: KDE does use opengl.. if the gl libs are fubar, then KDE wont work |
| 05:33.27 | infinity005 | heh |
| 05:33.31 | blaccdd | fubar? |
| 05:33.35 | cef | tralala: I just manually extracted the random patches from patch-o-matic and applied them by hand.. was easier |
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| 05:33.40 | michal | azulema: you expected the FTA to ever be fair? the kyoto accord just didn't suit australia's "interests" in the same way it didn't suit the us's.. but i don't think short term profit should be the deciding factor in such decisions |
| 05:33.41 | az[a]zel | Fucked Up Beyond All Repair |
| 05:33.57 | mwilson | Since when does KDE care about OGL? |
| 05:34.02 | nsadmin | michal: -YO-. this channel is #debian. get it? |
| 05:34.05 | mwilson | Sounds like another KDE breakage waiting to happen. |
| 05:34.06 | infinity005 | Daniel304: whats your deal? |
| 05:34.15 | tralala | cef: yeah, maybe. ./runme base doesn't seem to be working for me :/ |
| 05:34.34 | az[a]zel | mwilson: well, it links to it.. and I've had problems where my openGL libraries were stuffed, and KDE did weird things, and wouldnt start |
| 05:34.36 | michal | I thout R stood for Recognition not Repair? |
| 05:34.40 | nsadmin | michal: no more political talk. |
| 05:34.46 | michal | nsadmin: hey. i didn't lead the conversation towards politics. it was there when i arrived |
| 05:34.49 | nsadmin | michal: no more political talk. |
| 05:34.55 | Daniel304 | infinity005: I have mysql4.0.20 on a debian woody backports system.. all is from the same backports.. the problem is that everything except mysql works.. |
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| 05:35.00 | nsadmin | but you're adding to it |
| 05:35.02 | az[a]zel | !politics |
| 05:35.02 | dpkg | Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 05:35.02 | scarynetworkguy | michal, then stop it it is over |
| 05:35.04 | cef | mwilson: there are qt libs that use opengl.. no idea why though |
| 05:35.08 | michal | infinity005: sounds a lot like W. |
| 05:35.10 | tralala | but... patchomatic ./runme is supposed to be executed after make dep, while there's no make dep step for 2.6 kernels anymore |
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| 05:35.12 | Daniel304 | infinity005: whetn starting mysql it stops with error 2002 |
| 05:35.18 | nsadmin | and it was ok when there was zero debian traffic |
| 05:35.22 | mwilson | KDE not starting... that's supposed to be a bad thing, right? |
| 05:35.27 | nsadmin | but now there is some. |
| 05:35.39 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson, that would depend on your viewpoint :) |
| 05:35.42 | infinity005 | Daniel304: ouch. did you try compiling from myslq.org? |
| 05:35.43 | nsadmin | so please -yield- to the traffic |
| 05:35.47 | Guerin | findme: dnsutils, I think |
| 05:36.00 | Guerin | !tell findme about search |
| 05:36.15 | michal | ok.. no more politics.. i agree to this truce |
| 05:36.16 | infinity005 | Daniel304 or are you dead set on using the backport package? |
| 05:36.29 | findme | Guerin, thanks very much. |
| 05:36.34 | nsadmin | michal: thank you |
| 05:36.37 | Guerin | findme: you're welcome :) |
| 05:36.48 | Daniel304 | infinity005: I did only compiling didn't work as wel.. and I tried using a woody/stable and tis ended with an error as well |
| 05:36.59 | nsadmin | now, I do have a question... do you have a coupla arch repositories mirrored by sourcecontrol? |
| 05:37.01 | infinity005 | wow. a civilized political discussion? what gives? |
| 05:37.10 | Guerin | michal: not a truce, just a ceasefire ... and one which, given your lack of armament in this fight, should be well pleased. |
| 05:37.17 | nsadmin | infinity005: what political discussion? |
| 05:37.23 | Guerin | s/which/with which/ |
| 05:37.28 | scarynetworkguy | STOP IT |
| 05:37.32 | infinity005 | what is political? |
| 05:37.34 | nsadmin | Guerin: that would be gas on embers... |
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| 05:37.38 | az[a]zel | !stfu |
| 05:37.38 | dpkg | methinks stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 05:37.40 | Guerin | and that will be my final word on the matter :) |
| 05:37.49 | michal | Guerin: i'm armed with the truth |
| 05:38.01 | scarynetworkguy | cef, do you have/know where to get a template for a fortune file? |
| 05:38.03 | nsadmin | michal: don't let him troll you |
| 05:38.17 | scarynetworkguy | !aolify michal |
| 05:38.27 | nsadmin | or the whole thing will start over again :/ |
| 05:38.37 | cef | scarynetworkguy: hehehe I was wondering when you'd get back to Richard K Morgan given the previous discussiosn.. not off the top of my head, no |
| 05:38.59 | scarynetworkguy | cef yea will you know. I'm not fast but I usually get there. |
| 05:39.11 | michal | at least my response didn't mention politics at all |
| 05:39.19 | infinity005 | Daniel304: hm. duno what to tell you except for debugger. :/ |
| 05:39.39 | michal | just armaments |
| 05:40.09 | michal | anyone know of any good quality Salvador Dali images |
| 05:40.09 | michal | ? |
| 05:40.09 | michal | on thenet |
| 05:40.16 | infinity005 | anyone know what i need in the kerenel to get debug messages off the console? |
| 05:40.20 | nsadmin | michal: so were the arch repositories I found michal@cihar.com--2004-main and 2003, that you/ |
| 05:40.22 | nsadmin | ? |
| 05:40.38 | simonrvn | @tell infinity005 -about printk console |
| 05:40.38 | infinity005 | i tried dmesg -n1, klogd -c 1, and iptables --log-level=debug |
| 05:40.51 | infinity005 | but the messages still appear |
| 05:40.59 | cef | sussudio: is it just me, or are the stats about longest line broken? |
| 05:41.11 | infinity005 | simonrnv: ya. been there. i'm stuck. |
| 05:41.25 | simonrvn | infinity005: i use sysctl -w kernel.printk="3 4 1 7" or 3 3 1 7 |
| 05:41.29 | michal | nsadmin: cihar? no i don't think so.. what is it? |
| 05:41.41 | infinity005 | thats the same as klogd -c 3 or dmesg -n3 |
| 05:42.01 | michal | but in my defense i have occasionally found stuff I wrote on the internet that I had completely no memory of writing |
| 05:42.01 | nsadmin | inside, there's categories python-gammu and wammu |
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| 05:42.43 | nsadmin | http://archzoom.sourcecontrol.net/demo/michal@cihar.com--2003-main?expand |
| 05:42.44 | infinity005 | simonrvn: any other ideas? do i need something in the kernel? |
| 05:42.49 | simonrvn | no |
| 05:43.07 | infinity005 | fark. should i see console messages if klogd is not running? |
| 05:43.21 | michal | does anyone know of any decent, cheap braodband router/switch combo's ? |
| 05:43.25 | simonrvn | just do it |
| 05:43.26 | infinity005 | cuz i DO see em... |
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| 05:43.59 | scarynetworkguy | michal, Linksys makes pretty decent kit |
| 05:44.04 | michal | nsadmin: no. i don't believe that's me. |
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| 05:44.15 | Francisco | Hi guys |
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| 05:44.23 | michal | scarynetworkguy: do you know how it compares to level1, netgear, dlink, etc though? |
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| 05:44.37 | Francisco | is it possible to tell WGET to download a all the files on a Directory in an FTP Server? |
| 05:44.57 | michal | Francisco: do you mean recursion? |
| 05:45.02 | scarynetworkguy | michal, I don't use home level kit that often even at home :) but of what I have seen I like them the best |
| 05:45.02 | Francisco | Yes |
| 05:45.03 | Francisco | :) |
| 05:45.22 | cef | scarynetworkguy: linksys? bwhahahaha.. they meake 'cheap' kit.. not exactly decent.. and they're well behind on any security updates they need |
| 05:45.31 | michal | Francisco: i think there's a --mirror switch or similar that would do that easily |
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| 05:45.47 | Francisco | ok |
| 05:45.52 | Francisco | Thanks, I will read the manual |
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| 05:46.00 | cef | scarynetworkguy: admittedly not as bad as some vendors, and their hardware tends to work more often than not (both compared to say... dlink for example) |
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| 05:46.05 | c0mpub0mb | anyone know what this means ?... |
| 05:46.06 | c0mpub0mb | [~/] # Zend_Development_Environment_3.5.0 |
| 05:46.06 | c0mpub0mb | Warning: Cannot convert string "-b&h-lucida-medium-r-normal-sans-*-140-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1" to type FontStruct |
| 05:46.10 | scarynetworkguy | cef look at my second comment. All I know is what little I've done. I use real stuff for anything I care about |
| 05:46.11 | c0mpub0mb | it just dies |
| 05:46.16 | c0mpub0mb | what do i need to fix that ?.. |
| 05:46.16 | michal | i've had a lot of trouble with netgear personally |
| 05:46.32 | michal | scarynetworkguy: real stuff is what? cisco? |
| 05:46.50 | c0mpub0mb | michal: i've only had problems with netgear nic cards |
| 05:46.57 | scarynetworkguy | cef I'm lucky in that my boss lets me use old hardware that would otherwise just sit in a closet |
| 05:46.59 | c0mpub0mb | but their switches / network equipment is good |
| 05:47.05 | infinity005 | i HATE: netgear, linksys, dlink, and other similar brands. |
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| 05:47.12 | scarynetworkguy | michal, for security? good lord no. |
| 05:47.18 | Daniel304 | infinity005: where can I find the source ?!? I can only find binaries on mysql.org |
| 05:47.19 | michal | c0mpub0mb: i had trouble with one of their adsl broadband routers |
| 05:47.35 | c0mpub0mb | michal: heh.. i won't use anyone's router, i only use my own :) |
| 05:47.39 | c0mpub0mb | linux = king heh |
| 05:47.47 | nsadmin | Daniel304: you -could- get debianized source |
| 05:47.48 | c0mpub0mb | na /jk.. openbsd = better for qos |
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| 05:47.49 | michal | but that was for a client.. perhaps i could have figured out wtf was going on if i had had iit at home |
| 05:48.02 | scarynetworkguy | michal, I rant about Cisco all the time. :) |
| 05:48.06 | Guerin | !qotd19 |
| 05:48.06 | dpkg | hmm... qotd19 is <Overfiend> "PHP 5! Now with Zend-enhanced multicrashing! Reserve your copy today!" |
| 05:48.06 | Daniel304 | nsadmin: where ?!? |
| 05:48.15 | infinity005 | Daniel304: really? http://dev.mysql.com/get/Downloads/MySQL-4.0/mysql-4.0.20.tar.gz/from/http://mysql.mirrors.hoobly.com/ |
| 05:48.16 | michal | scarynetworkguy: so who makes this "real" hardware? |
| 05:48.35 | scarynetworkguy | michal, my firewall here is a Checkpoint |
| 05:48.47 | michal | scarynetworkguy: is that a hardware or software setup? |
| 05:48.48 | nsadmin | Daniel304: oh, well, there you go... infinity005 showed you link to source |
| 05:49.02 | cef | scarynetworkguy: checkpoint? eeek! seen the recent vuln for that? |
| 05:49.15 | nsadmin | Daniel304: but just so you know it's easy to get debian source once you set it up correctly |
| 05:49.28 | michal | scarynetworkguy: by that I mean is it a software package that runs on generic hardware or an integrated device |
| 05:49.34 | michal | ? |
| 05:49.44 | scarynetworkguy | cef there are scary vulns for everything. And yes I did and anybody with a clue is not vulnarble anyway |
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| 05:49.55 | scarynetworkguy | michal, yes |
| 05:50.18 | blaccdd | . |
| 05:50.25 | cef | scarynetworkguy: yeah.. it's sad.. still prefer to be in a little bit more control.. rolling my own solutions like that.. but hey, I'm paranoid.. *grin* |
| 05:50.25 | nsadmin | anybody with a clue is -less- vulnerable, and only if they apply clue |
| 05:50.42 | Francisco | wget -r ftp://host/dir/ does the trick :D |
| 05:51.00 | scarynetworkguy | cef nice work if you can get it. :) |
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| 05:51.54 | nsadmin | Francisco: you might also look into sftp for transfers among sites you have accts on |
| 05:52.02 | scarynetworkguy | cef so there's a text file that seems pretty easy a .dat that looks like it is binary and another file that looks empty |
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| 05:52.03 | cef | scarynetworkguy: yeah.. well.. work has this stupid idea in their heads that they need windows boxes on people desktops.. |
| 05:52.11 | scarynetworkguy | cef true dat |
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| 05:54.07 | az[a]zel | anyone know if 350W PSU is enough for an AMD 64 3200+ system? |
| 05:54.14 | Phated | Windows boxes on a desktop!? |
| 05:54.19 | az[a]zel | the CPU itself takes up 89W |
| 05:54.36 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, happens to the best of us somedays. |
| 05:55.04 | Tezkah | though I am already in my pajamas... |
| 05:55.06 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: How very... thought police. |
| 05:55.13 | jcole_s91 | deadcat: finally, it's working... what a pain in the ass |
| 05:55.26 | Phated | Tezkah: I've been up for two hours and am still in my jammies, what's your point? ;) |
| 05:55.30 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :( not again |
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| 05:55.36 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Eh? |
| 05:55.37 | dabreegster | Hey |
| 05:55.46 | Phated | I was referring to the Windows boxes. |
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| 05:55.52 | Phated | Yo, dabreegster. |
| 05:55.53 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, don't start although it was good joke. :) |
| 05:55.59 | dabreegster | Phated: hey |
| 05:56.11 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *grins and ducks* |
| 05:56.17 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, damn straight |
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| 05:56.29 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 05:56.30 | EvilSeed | "How can I run aol 9.666 on my linux box?" hehehe |
| 05:56.38 | kremlyn | Other than 'man', what are some other commands one could use in Linux to get help? |
| 05:56.51 | Phated | kremlyn: 'info'. |
| 05:56.53 | Guerin | kremlyn: help, info |
| 05:56.55 | cef | mmmm chocolate milk.... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 05:57.01 | Guerin | mmm |
| 05:57.07 | kremlyn | Hmm, so man, help and info |
| 05:57.08 | Phated | cef: Damn you, stop tempting me! |
| 05:57.13 | kremlyn | Thanks people :-) |
| 05:57.14 | Phated | Argh. |
| 05:57.20 | mccbaka | krem: "man -k" also can be used to search for manpages |
| 05:57.28 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Any feelings that these people simply cannot sympathise with us dieters? |
| 05:57.28 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
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| 05:57.32 | Guerin | kremlyn: help is help with your shell. man and info relate to various documentation materials |
| 05:57.38 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 05:57.39 | streuner | kremlyn: tldp.org (HOWTO'S and a lot of other stuff) |
| 05:57.40 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, the world hates us we should pout |
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| 05:57.51 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *pout* |
| 05:57.52 | streuner | kremlyn: and /usr/share/doc/* |
| 05:57.53 | Guerin | kremlyn: also manually reading the stuff in /usr/share/doc/ is useful |
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| 05:58.03 | nsadmin | you can make noodles from chicken?! |
| 05:58.05 | prologic | How do you get X to startup apps when you login ? I tried putting stuff into .xinitrc in my home directory, but that doesn't work. |
| 05:58.11 | cef | chocolate doesn't add weight.. that's a fallacy.. too much of anything, well, there is where a diet is needed |
| 05:58.21 | Tezkah | apropos is a good command to find commands |
| 05:58.23 | kremlyn | Does linux have apropos? |
| 05:58.28 | Tezkah | yes |
| 05:58.28 | Phated | nsadmin: No, no, noodles with chicken soup. Also known as chicken noodles here. |
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| 05:58.31 | Phated | kremlyn: Yes. |
| 05:58.38 | kremlyn | great.. |
| 05:58.40 | kremlyn | :-) |
| 05:58.54 | chapium | prologic: try editing .xsession |
| 05:59.01 | scarynetworkguy | cef, you are right but I'm on a low fat low carolie high fiber deal. So even though you are right. I'm not going there. |
| 05:59.11 | prologic | chapium: ok thanks |
| 05:59.12 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: What's a carolie? |
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| 05:59.33 | jching | hi all, i did some googling and I can't find any info on how to setup sarge with an ISA (PnP) network card. Are there such docs? |
| 05:59.34 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, me having bad spelling :) |
| 05:59.34 | nsadmin | Phated: sings bach caroles? |
| 05:59.45 | Phated | nsadmin: Heh. |
| 05:59.47 | xebian | What do you have to have to compile kernel-2.6.7? |
| 05:59.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 06:00.04 | scarynetworkguy | calorie |
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| 06:00.08 | Guerin | xebian: build-essential |
| 06:00.08 | cef | scarynetworkguy: the worst thing with chocolate is milk chocolate.. particularly white chocolate.. that's where the fat comes from |
| 06:00.20 | scarynetworkguy | cef yuppers |
| 06:00.27 | streuner | jching: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 06:00.37 | xebian | Guerin: specifically gcc version what? |
| 06:00.38 | Guerin | xebian: config will require libncurses5-dev, and you'll need a kernel source |
| 06:00.45 | cef | scarynetworkguy: which is why I only eat dark chocolate, and not a huge amount of it either |
| 06:00.45 | Guerin | xebian: nothing special, AFAIK |
| 06:00.50 | Phated | cef: So dark semi-sweet chocolate is OK? :) |
| 06:00.52 | Guerin | xebian: /msg dpkg kp |
| 06:01.12 | xebian | Guerin: I like to do it myself. |
| 06:01.14 | scarynetworkguy | cef and when I no longer need to lose nearly 40 lbs I'll go back to that but for now I'm on the wagon |
| 06:01.17 | Daniel304 | sigh compiling source won't work libmysql.c: In function `mysql_real_connect': |
| 06:01.17 | Daniel304 | libmysql.c:1850: warning: passing arg 5 of `gethostbyname_r' from incompatible pointer type |
| 06:01.31 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, it is not bad by any means |
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| 06:01.51 | cef | Phated: I prefer really dark chocolate. no sweetness.. 70%+ cocoa |
| 06:01.55 | The_Vulture | Daniel304: that's a warning, not an error |
| 06:01.57 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Haha, I meant in a diet-specific context. :) |
| 06:01.58 | The_Vulture | it won't stop anything |
| 06:02.01 | Phated | cef: Cool for you. |
| 06:02.17 | Daniel304 | libmysql.c:1850: too few arguments to function `gethostbyname_r' |
| 06:02.17 | Daniel304 | libmysql.c:1850: warning: assignment makes pointer from integer without a cast |
| 06:02.17 | Daniel304 | make[2]: *** [libmysql.lo] Error 1 |
| 06:02.17 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, not really :) |
| 06:02.25 | streuner | jching: load the module for the NIC and read the factoid |
| 06:02.26 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: ;) |
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| 06:02.40 | nsadmin | Daniel304: the actual error came before the make |
| 06:02.42 | jching | what is the automatic way to load the module? |
| 06:02.48 | xebian | Guerin: I've tried gcc-2.95 3.3 and 3.4 none of them are working I keep getting segmentation faults or it tells me some object file is undefined. |
| 06:02.50 | The_Vulture | Daniel304: look further up, there's a line starting with the word 'error', that's an error |
| 06:02.55 | The_Vulture | warnings are not errors |
| 06:03.04 | nsadmin | you could try modconf... you could try hotplug |
| 06:03.05 | The_Vulture | in any case, that won't help you much |
| 06:03.06 | streuner | jching: well, you can run 'modconf' or you edit /etc/modules |
| 06:03.30 | jching | streuner: ok, let me try modconf... |
| 06:04.04 | nsadmin | anyone got an asus p4s533 mobo? |
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| 06:04.08 | Daniel304 | The_Vulture: I know how it works but I can't find any error in the lines that make produced |
| 06:04.11 | cef | The_Vulture: warnings can be errors when you use strict |
| 06:04.22 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, sucks to be us |
| 06:04.28 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye. |
| 06:04.38 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Noodles sans sesame seed oil. :| Urgh. |
| 06:04.41 | nsadmin | I'm looking to get the temp and fanspeed sensors workign |
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| 06:05.10 | Thalias | hello |
| 06:05.26 | Phated | Hello, Thalias. |
| 06:05.34 | Thalias | I have a questio |
| 06:05.37 | Thalias | er question |
| 06:05.40 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yech. |
| 06:05.45 | nsadmin | if I had a question... |
| 06:05.46 | The_Vulture | cef: -Werror, yes, but not many libs (let alone those for something like mysql) are that strict |
| 06:05.50 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Exactly. But every little bit helps, eh? |
| 06:05.52 | nsadmin | I'd question in the morning... |
| 06:06.01 | Xenguy | Phated: ;-) |
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| 06:06.04 | nsadmin | I'd question in the evening... |
| 06:06.04 | asciiwhite | hey fellas |
| 06:06.05 | Phated | Xenguy: ;) |
| 06:06.07 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, true story. |
| 06:06.09 | nsadmin | all over this land... |
| 06:06.12 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye? |
| 06:06.13 | asciiwhite | does debian do packages of xorg ? |
| 06:06.14 | The_Vulture | cef: and besides, the line above the warning is an error, there would usually be a line starting with error somewhere nearby |
| 06:06.25 | nsadmin | dpkg, find xorg |
| 06:06.27 | streuner | asciiwhite: no |
| 06:06.33 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xorg' returned no results. |
| 06:06.40 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I bought veggie burgers today. :( |
| 06:06.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Good for you, mate. :) |
| 06:06.58 | Thalias | I have just installed debian 3.0 rev2 on a box. When I try and start x windows the screen goes black and then spits out some errors |
| 06:07.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I got raisin as a snack. :") |
| 06:07.03 | asciiwhite | thx streuner |
| 06:07.04 | Xenguy | scarynetworkguy: surely that's not so bad :-) |
| 06:07.05 | cef | mmmmmm..... so much chocolate, so little time.. so little milk! |
| 06:07.10 | Phated | raisins* |
| 06:07.14 | nsadmin | asciiwhite: so, no, but you could build it most likely |
| 06:07.20 | scarynetworkguy | Thalias, paste the last 10-15 lines into #flood |
| 06:07.22 | asciiwhite | yeah i could |
| 06:07.28 | Thalias | Addscreen/Screen init failed for driver 0 |
| 06:07.28 | Daniel304 | owkay.. simple question then.. how can I reinstall libgcc_s.so.1 ??? |
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| 06:07.46 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy, I freaking hate vegitarian food |
| 06:07.54 | streuner | Daniel304: apt-get --reinstall install pkg |
| 06:07.55 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You poor thing. |
| 06:08.03 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, good very good. Later I get to eat 6 crackers. :) |
| 06:08.08 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yay! |
| 06:08.08 | Xenguy | Thalias: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 06:08.12 | nsadmin | Daniel304: what streuner said |
| 06:08.14 | kremlyn | Is there a difference between Linux distributions as to how the man pages are divided. ie: Will man 3 blah always = subroutines, man 9 blah always = kernel interface, etc? |
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| 06:08.27 | kremlyn | Or are these different between distributions? |
| 06:08.27 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, must have positive atitude. :) |
| 06:08.34 | Xenguy | scarynetworkguy: I eat vegetables and meat ;-) (I actually like tofu/soy stuff) |
| 06:08.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye. :) |
| 06:08.49 | nsadmin | kremlyn: these sections were originally defined in old unix |
| 06:08.49 | Phated | Xenguy: Tofu is good. Soy is better. |
| 06:08.53 | Guerin | xebian: sound slike your ram is shot |
| 06:09.05 | kremlyn | nsadmin: Does debian have online man pages? |
| 06:09.09 | Xenguy | Phated: tofu is made for soy beans, no? |
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| 06:09.20 | Guerin | xebian: kernel compile should never segfault on good hardware |
| 06:09.24 | Xenguy | Phated: s/for/from |
| 06:09.25 | nsadmin | don't think so, but maybe |
| 06:09.34 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
| 06:09.36 | Guerin | (in fact, it's the canonical text of your hardware) |
| 06:09.38 | streuner | kremlyn: nope, but there are plenty on the i-net |
| 06:09.40 | nsadmin | generally it installs the man pages on your machine |
| 06:09.41 | Guerin | s/text/test/ |
| 06:09.51 | Phated | Xenguy: I -think- so, but I like soy in its raw form, as soymilk. :) |
| 06:09.53 | JimButton | Xenguy: yes, it is |
| 06:10.00 | xebian | Guerin: ? thats a very preposterous statement. I'm thinking that for whatever reason my kernel packages if fucked up. |
| 06:10.01 | kremlyn | streuner/nsadmin: Asked a different way, do these sections differ between distributions? |
| 06:10.08 | JimButton | Phated: soy in "raw" form is beans :) |
| 06:10.14 | nsadmin | not really |
| 06:10.15 | Guerin | xebian: whatever. |
| 06:10.25 | Guerin | xebian: where did you get them from? |
| 06:10.32 | Phated | JimButton: Oh, all right, semi-raw and largely unprocessed form, as soymilk. :) |
| 06:10.33 | xebian | Guerin: ram hammered = beep code |
| 06:10.34 | kremlyn | *nod*.. OK, thanks for your help people, appreciated :-) |
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| 06:10.40 | xebian | Guerin: kernel.org |
| 06:10.44 | Guerin | xebian: ram faulty = segfaults |
| 06:11.01 | nsadmin | xebian: preposterous? maybe... but easy to rule out too. boot a copy of memtest86 |
| 06:11.07 | mgoldey | howdy, all. is there a way to quickly replace the owner/group on files based on who the current owner is? e.g., replace all john/users with frank/users, without doing each file by hand? basically, pattern matching with chown and chgrp? |
| 06:11.11 | Thalias | does anyone know what the driver is for a matrox card in debian or if it is even supported |
| 06:11.14 | xebian | Guerin: But, all of a sudden? |
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| 06:11.19 | Guerin | xebian: I think you'll find that if the kernel.org source is fucked, everyone would hear about it, and it would be fixed quick-smart |
| 06:11.30 | Guerin | xebian: compiled any other kernels on this box? |
| 06:11.30 | Randy | whens another debian stable coming out ? |
| 06:11.37 | asciiwhite | does xfree in any of the debian packages support hw_cursor color ? |
| 06:11.39 | Daniel304 | streuner: pkg can't be found.. only pkh-config and pkglist |
| 06:11.44 | Guerin | xebian: and yes, ram faults can take ages to show up |
| 06:11.48 | scarynetworkguy | Thalias, it would be whatever driver x comes with search for it then add the right line to your XF86config-4 |
| 06:11.53 | nsadmin | xebian: run the ram tester for awhile :) then you'll be sure one way or the other :) |
| 06:11.57 | Guerin | Randy: RSN |
| 06:12.04 | Guerin | while = day |
| 06:12.07 | Xenguy | mgoldey: find . -type f |xargs chown 644 <-- something like that might work |
| 06:12.10 | Randy | Guerin: huh ? |
| 06:12.11 | xebian | nsadmin: k |
| 06:12.15 | Guerin | !rsn |
| 06:12.15 | dpkg | from memory, rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 06:12.21 | cahoot | Thalias: usually mga |
| 06:12.22 | Randy | !rsn |
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| 06:12.33 | Guerin | Randy: I just fucking did it, can you not read? |
| 06:12.37 | asciiwhite | because i hear new games like latest d3 require hw_cursor color to work properly |
| 06:12.38 | mgoldey | thanks, xenguy. i'm sure I can get a list of the owned files; just not sure how to change them all at once |
| 06:12.38 | nsadmin | if the ram does show bad, it could be a temporary problem like too much heat |
| 06:12.40 | Randy | Guerin: huh ? |
| 06:12.50 | Daniel304 | nsadmin: pkg can't be found.. only pkh-config and pkglist |
| 06:12.51 | JimButton | Phated: tofu is basically just coagulated soymilk, iirc |
| 06:12.51 | Xenguy | mgoldey: xargs is your friend |
| 06:12.57 | mgoldey | reading now :) |
| 06:13.00 | Guerin | Randy: why do !rsn again? you think it's gonna make some special new output? |
| 06:13.15 | blaccdd | i have ati 9200 card and i installed the ati drivers from the ati site but when i type fglrxinfo i get "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect" |
| 06:13.17 | xebian | Guerin: I'm going to try getting kernel-2.6.7 from debian. |
| 06:13.25 | Randy | Guerin: a question of time has become into something more complex with you Guerin |
| 06:13.39 | Guerin | Randy: nobody knows exactly when |
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| 06:13.44 | mgoldey | perfect, xenguy, thanks! |
| 06:13.45 | Guerin | xebian: good luck |
| 06:13.45 | nsadmin | xebian: you'll need module-init-tools |
| 06:13.50 | Randy | Guerin: ok |
| 06:13.56 | Guerin | Randy: hence my statement |
| 06:14.00 | Xenguy | mgoldey: :-) |
| 06:14.05 | nsadmin | and you'll also need initrd-tools |
| 06:14.11 | Phated | JimButton: Yeah, which makes it more processed than soymilk, ain't it? :) It'd be like me liking milk better than say cheese, eh? |
| 06:14.19 | Guerin | nsadmin: neither are needed for compilation, though |
| 06:14.27 | Guerin | ((are they?) |
| 06:14.32 | xebian | nsadmin: NO INITRD |
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| 06:14.41 | JimButton | Phated: sort of, yes |
| 06:14.57 | Phated | JimButton: *nod* We may conclude now that we have come to a consensus. :) |
| 06:15.17 | xebian | only one module in my kernels nvidia.o |
| 06:15.23 | nsadmin | xebian: if you install kernel-image-2.6.7, yes, that is an initrd kernel |
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| 06:15.33 | Guerin | nsadmin: he wants source |
| 06:15.39 | nsadmin | Guerin: ahh |
| 06:15.49 | jching | streuner: thanks...I installed the isa-pnp module and it detected the sound card. i'll install the network card and see if it works... |
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| 06:15.54 | Thalias | should I leave bus identifier blank when configuring xfree86 |
| 06:15.55 | Guerin | nsadmin: he's gonna try building the deb source instead of the k.o source, in the vain hope that that will work |
| 06:16.05 | xebian | nsadmin: I do not compile that in or as a module. I can get away without. GIG. |
| 06:16.08 | Guerin | Thalias: it does tell you to do that |
| 06:16.13 | cef | bah.. I just build 2.6 kernels using make-kpkg... never had a problem.. no initrd's either |
| 06:16.24 | Guerin | cef: yeah. |
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| 06:16.39 | xebian | I've never used make-kpkg. |
| 06:16.46 | nsadmin | he should test his ram first... if he's getting segfaults now, it will continue to interrupt his progress, and there are a lot of files to compile |
| 06:16.49 | xebian | I kind of like doing it the hard way. |
| 06:16.59 | Xenguy | xebian: I like make-kpkg |
| 06:17.03 | Guerin | xebian: bully for you. |
| 06:17.06 | scarynetworkguy | cef it's the new sarge installer that wants initrd by default |
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| 06:17.07 | cef | Guerin: 2.6.8-rc2 atm |
| 06:17.18 | nsadmin | xebian: in that case, learn something new, and try it |
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| 06:17.36 | scarynetworkguy | !be learning barbie |
| 06:17.36 | xebian | nsadmin: k |
| 06:17.40 | nsadmin | that's always the harder road :) |
| 06:17.41 | mickeyks | !agrep |
| 06:17.41 | Xenguy | xebian: make-kpkg is for lazy people ;-) |
| 06:17.45 | nsadmin | but test your ram first |
| 06:17.55 | mickeyks | is agrep in a package? |
| 06:18.01 | nsadmin | agrep? |
| 06:18.08 | nsadmin | dpkg, find agrep |
| 06:18.10 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'agrep' (4 shown): agrep ;; libagrep-ocaml ;; libagrep-ocaml-dev ;; tre-agrep. |
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| 06:18.20 | mickeyks | cool thx |
| 06:18.22 | nsadmin | mickeyks: yes |
| 06:18.30 | mickeyks | hrm |
| 06:18.37 | mickeyks | although apt-cache show agrep gives me nothing |
| 06:18.42 | mickeyks | maybe it's only sid |
| 06:18.51 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 06:19.01 | nsadmin | dpkg, find agrep woody |
| 06:19.02 | dpkg | agrep: (Text search tool with support for approximate patterns), section non-free/text, is optional. Version: 2.04-1 (woody), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 77 kB |
| 06:19.20 | mickeyks | dpkg, find agrep sarge |
| 06:19.22 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'agrep' (4 shown): agrep ;; libagrep-ocaml ;; libagrep-ocaml-dev ;; tre-agrep. |
| 06:19.23 | nsadmin | it's non-free |
| 06:19.27 | mickeyks | oh |
| 06:19.27 | cef | Xenguy: make-kpkg is very useful for those of use who make lots of kernels |
| 06:19.38 | Xenguy | cef: nod |
| 06:19.41 | mickeyks | i don't think i have a non-free source in my list right now, that must be the issue |
| 06:20.16 | mickeyks | ok c ya |
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| 06:20.30 | nsadmin | that way they pull in packages concurrently :) |
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| 06:20.48 | xebian | nsadmin: which memtest86 do I want? the newest? |
| 06:20.57 | nsadmin | probably any one |
| 06:21.01 | xebian | k |
| 06:21.04 | nsadmin | you boot it exactly like a kernel |
| 06:21.06 | Guerin | !k |
| 06:21.06 | dpkg | FFS, how hard is it to type the o as well? See also <sms-over-irc>, <2>, <lol>, <ne1> K stands for KILL, which is what we'll do if you don't stop being a l4m3r... |
| 06:21.15 | nsadmin | o |
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| 06:21.31 | Xenguy | bwaha |
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| 06:22.14 | xebian | nsadmin: do I have to add it to lilo run lilo and pick that from menu when reboot? |
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| 06:22.20 | Xenguy | (breaking the girl) |
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| 06:22.35 | nsadmin | xebian: yes to all that |
| 06:22.42 | xebian | nsadmin: k |
| 06:22.46 | kremlyn | Anyone, what's a good example of a command in linux that may have several man pages associated with it (ie, one in man 1 - commands and man 5 - file formats) |
| 06:23.18 | nsadmin | kremlyn: howbout dpkg? howbout apt-get? |
| 06:23.24 | alejandro_ | hi, i have a question, to edit the gnome menu, is "///Aplications" right? |
| 06:23.26 | nsadmin | kernel-package |
| 06:23.33 | nsadmin | if-up, if-down |
| 06:23.40 | Guerin | !#gnome |
| 06:23.40 | dpkg | The gnome IRC channel is #gnome at irc.gimp.org |
| 06:24.04 | alejandro_ | Guerin, i know, but there is nobody there... |
| 06:24.15 | Guerin | alejandro_: good luck then. |
| 06:24.30 | alejandro_ | "thanks" |
| 06:24.31 | kremlyn | nsadmin: Hmm.. are there any that are constant accross distributions? |
| 06:24.33 | cef | Phated: I just looked at the debstats page... I'm amazed by the lack of thomas_adam on it! |
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| 06:24.48 | Phated | cef: *gasp!* |
| 06:24.57 | Phated | cef: Am I anywhere? |
| 06:25.16 | cef | Phated: well he's there.. but he's down at #5... you're at #1 atm it seems.. lil miss talkative |
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| 06:25.32 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, today you would be #1 |
| 06:25.36 | Xenguy | heh |
| 06:25.41 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oooh. :) |
| 06:25.50 | scarynetworkguy | !win Phated |
| 06:25.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, Phated! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 06:26.01 | nsadmin | the constant ones would be the ones where the upstream developers wrote the man pages |
| 06:26.05 | Phated | \o/ |
| 06:26.21 | kremlyn | ahh, that's true. |
| 06:26.27 | nsadmin | (many times, debian developers write man pages and include them) |
| 06:26.41 | cef | scarynetworkguy: not this one it seems.. and I'm glad of that.... that'd mean I'd have to share it with you.. ewww! |
| 06:26.54 | kremlyn | I was hoping I could find one particular example, it's no biggie |
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| 06:27.14 | snadge | is there a gnome 2 applet that will monitor cpu temperature and fan speeds? |
| 06:27.15 | nsadmin | example of what exactly? a difference? |
| 06:27.18 | scarynetworkguy | cef, ? |
| 06:27.22 | scarynetworkguy | I don't get it |
| 06:27.47 | Ether_Man | Anyone know anything about usb mouse stops working when quiting an sdl application? Could it be that I have both usbmouse and hid compiled in kernel or something? like some sort of conflict? |
| 06:27.59 | cef | scarynetworkguy: you are leading on total number of words though.. |
| 06:28.17 | scarynetworkguy | cef I just saw that |
| 06:28.44 | cef | scarynetworkguy: I'm just stuck down at #11 |
| 06:28.44 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, you in #flood |
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| 06:28.51 | scarynetworkguy | cef sucks to be you |
| 06:28.52 | Daniel304 | I'm getting depressed of mysql :'( |
| 06:28.53 | Morgan | what is the command to run MySQL server in safemode |
| 06:29.04 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Huh? |
| 06:29.08 | Daniel304 | mysqld_safe |
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| 06:29.19 | Morgan | thank you |
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| 06:29.24 | cef | scarynetworkguy: though I think the 'big numbers' thing is a bit broken.. longest line and all that.. definitely broken |
| 06:29.35 | scarynetworkguy | cef check out deb stats the smiley face frowny thing is pretty funny |
| 06:29.47 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, check out deb stats the smiley face frowny thing is pretty funny |
| 06:29.50 | Phated | I'm a smiley bringer! |
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| 06:30.05 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh, paste it in #flood once I'm there. |
| 06:30.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, and I'm the bringer of sad and bitter. :) |
| 06:30.18 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hah. :) |
| 06:30.18 | tekk | hi |
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| 06:30.38 | tekk | im newbie |
| 06:30.41 | cef | scarynetworkguy: just proves I have more of a life though.... not being that high on the debstats.. |
| 06:30.48 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
| 06:30.58 | scarynetworkguy | cef, it don't take much to have more of a life than me |
| 06:30.59 | Guerin | !noob |
| 06:30.59 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 06:31.05 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 06:31.14 | tekk | need think, the size installation of DEBIAN?? |
| 06:31.32 | Guerin | tekk: 200 - 10,000 MB |
| 06:31.45 | tekk | 10gb? |
| 06:32.01 | Guerin | tekk: with all of everything, could get that high. |
| 06:32.10 | tekk | im not speak english |
| 06:32.12 | scarynetworkguy | somebody shold put greycat's thing from this afternoon about noob in that factoid |
| 06:32.15 | cef | scarynetworkguy: though I think being at #11 isn't too good.. especially since I've only been here in the 6-12 bracket *grin* |
| 06:32.18 | streuner | !spanish |
| 06:32.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 06:32.34 | Phated | cef: I'm no one, I'm no one... |
| 06:32.36 | Phated | Errrr... |
| 06:32.37 | scarynetworkguy | cef well you just need to try harder. |
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| 06:32.50 | tekk | debian-es, nothing speak |
| 06:33.09 | streuner | tekk: only later, its pretty early at the moment |
| 06:33.10 | cef | scarynetworkguy: that'd mean I'd have had to get up earlier.. pfft!!! like that's gonna happen! |
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| 06:33.17 | streuner | So Aug 1 08:33:14 CEST 2004 |
| 06:33.23 | scarynetworkguy | cef sleep is overrated |
| 06:33.43 | Phated | scarynetworkguy is right. :) |
| 06:33.50 | Guerin | !noob is also < greycat> DarkCoiote: When people say "I'm a noob" or equivalent, it's an EXCUSE for them to be LAZY and avoid doing any thinking or reading. |
| 06:33.51 | cef | scarynetworkguy: who said anything about sleep? I didn't.. I said getting up. read into that what you will. *grin* |
| 06:33.55 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 06:33.55 | Daniel304 | streuner: you have helped me before.. can you please help me again ?!? |
| 06:33.57 | scarynetworkguy | cef :) |
| 06:34.28 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
| 06:34.35 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
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| 06:34.52 | Phated | I wonder is debstats counts :D's as smilies, I mean, it -should-... |
| 06:34.54 | streuner | Daniel304: hm, not with mysql, if you have a install question it would be ok... |
| 06:35.19 | tekk | by and thanks!! |
| 06:35.22 | Daniel304 | streuner: it is an installation question... I tried all kinds of installs none will work |
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| 06:35.47 | cef | phaethon: you'd hope so.. no idea though.. but it seems to get a number of them |
| 06:35.48 | streuner | Daniel304: what command did you try and what error you got? |
| 06:36.04 | Guerin | Daniel304: what's not working about apt-get install mysql-server etc? |
| 06:36.15 | Phated | cef: Heh. :) |
| 06:36.25 | cef | Phated: woops.. Phated even... not phaethon ... damn it! all these other people with names that collide in the nick-space |
| 06:36.40 | Phated | cef: Aye, and someone who rarely talks, even. |
| 06:36.49 | Daniel304 | streuner: I tried to install it with apt-get and it fails: |
| 06:36.51 | Daniel304 | No mysqld pid file found. Looked for /usr/local/mysql/data/fs-debian.pid. |
| 06:36.51 | Daniel304 | ATTENTION: An error has occured. More info in /var/log/mysql/mysql.err! |
| 06:36.51 | Daniel304 | dpkg: error processing mysql-server (--configure): |
| 06:36.51 | dpkg | Daniel304: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 06:37.09 | Daniel304 | oeps 4 lines is to much ;) |
| 06:37.24 | cef | Phated: exactly! ahh well.. such is life I guess.. 8) |
| 06:37.46 | Phated | cef: Life is indeed such. :) |
| 06:37.54 | streuner | Daniel304: well, why it looks in /usr/local/mysql? |
| 06:37.54 | Daniel304 | streuner: anyways it ends with an error |
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| 06:38.44 | Daniel304 | streuner: if I had any idea why I would tell you |
| 06:38.46 | Daniel304 | ;) |
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| 06:39.06 | streuner | Daniel304: and that's woody? |
| 06:39.16 | Daniel304 | streuner: woody/backports |
| 06:39.22 | Guerin | Daniel304: ... |
| 06:39.31 | Guerin | Daniel304: sounds like your backport is rogered |
| 06:39.34 | streuner | Daniel304: hm, backports are sometimes nasty |
| 06:39.41 | cef | streuner: default mysql data dir.. ie: no --prefix= and the like when it was compiled.. in debian terms: bad ju ju |
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| 06:40.01 | Guerin | Daniel304: I get my mysql4 backports from dotdeb, and they've always played nice. |
| 06:40.22 | Daniel304 | Guerin: streuner : I know.. though everything works fine except mysql |
| 06:40.30 | Daniel304 | Guerin.. I'Il try dotdeb |
| 06:40.39 | streuner | Daniel304: do what Guerin told you |
| 06:40.48 | streuner | install another mysql pkg |
| 06:41.22 | Daniel304 | streuner: I allready tried the debian package 3.23 if I'm right |
| 06:41.53 | dabreegster | Hey, in Vim, I was wondering if there was any way to get it to automatically slap a newline at the end of each line instead of wrapping around? I've read the manual and can't find anything on it. |
| 06:42.15 | Gil | dabreegster: :set tw=<width> ? |
| 06:42.26 | dabreegster | Gil: ok |
| 06:42.42 | Guerin | Daniel304: purge the existing package before you start |
| 06:42.47 | Daniel304 | Guerin: just tried dotdeb... nothing same error |
| 06:42.48 | Phated | Gil: Thank you frm here too. :) |
| 06:42.53 | Thalias | screens found but none have a useable configuration |
| 06:42.57 | Guerin | Daniel304: something else is fucked then. |
| 06:43.13 | Daniel304 | Guerin: that is dpkg --purge mysql-server right ?!? |
| 06:43.16 | Guerin | Thalias: change the configuration. Dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:43.24 | Guerin | Daniel304: yeah |
| 06:43.30 | streuner | Thalias: what videocard do you have? |
| 06:44.03 | scarynetworkguy | streuner, matrox. |
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| 06:44.12 | scarynetworkguy | Thalias, did you go look up what your driver should be? |
| 06:44.14 | dabreegster | Gil: it worked, thanks so much |
| 06:44.24 | Daniel304 | Guerin now it says it can't find /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 06:44.31 | streuner | Thaiias: did you use the drivers from matrox? |
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| 06:44.36 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, 6 fat free crackers are not nearly as good as one might think. |
| 06:44.38 | Guerin | Daniel304: now? while doing what? |
| 06:44.48 | Thalias | yeah I got that part solved |
| 06:44.56 | Thalias | I think its a problem with my monitor |
| 06:45.05 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Awww. |
| 06:45.09 | Daniel304 | Guerin: I just purged everything and now did and apt-get of mysql-server on dotdeb |
| 06:45.14 | scarynetworkguy | Thalias, what is it doing now? |
| 06:45.15 | dabreegster | Gil: happen to know how to make that change take effect on the whole file and not just the new stuff you type? |
| 06:45.22 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, oh well. |
| 06:45.30 | Guerin | Daniel304: so the existing mysql package purged successfully? |
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| 06:45.41 | streuner | Thalias: surely someone has mentioned /var/log/XF86Config-4.log? |
| 06:45.42 | Daniel304 | Guerin: Yes it did |
| 06:45.42 | Gil | dabreegster: sorry, I don't .. I wish I knew :) |
| 06:45.48 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Stay strong, my friend. :) |
| 06:45.50 | dabreegster | Gil: ok, thanks anyway |
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| 06:46.14 | Guerin | Daniel304: paste the full output of the apt-get install mysql-server etc into #flood |
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| 06:46.31 | cef | scarynetworkguy: just remember to stay away from potato.. that will stop you keeping the fat on.. or it should help anyway |
| 06:46.45 | Keidonn | hi i just finished a net install of sid ..... how do i go about installing xorg ? |
| 06:46.46 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
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| 06:46.53 | Guerin | Keidonn: you don't. |
| 06:46.54 | scarynetworkguy | cef not too many of them no |
| 06:46.55 | Gil | dabreegster: try using the gq command |
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| 06:47.14 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 06:47.17 | streuner | Keidonn: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 06:47.21 | cef | scarynetworkguy: only thing made from potato you should even consider having is vodka.. *grin* |
| 06:47.26 | Daniel304 | Guerin: just did |
| 06:47.37 | scarynetworkguy | Thalias, so what is it doing now? |
| 06:47.57 | Guerin | Daniel304: output of dpkg -l |grep mysql, please |
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| 06:48.23 | Thalias | alright so I am looking at this thing |
| 06:48.30 | Thalias | trying over and over to configure it |
| 06:48.32 | PodeCoet | Hello... I've just installed debian 3.0r1 on a celeron 2400 / gigabyte 8I865GVMK board. Trying to get the onboard nic working (Intel 82562EZ), no idea how to go about installing the driver though. Please assist? I suppose I could just install an additional 8139 nic, preferrably not though :p |
| 06:48.48 | Thalias | and I still keep getting this error no screens found |
| 06:48.55 | streuner | cafuego: are you here? |
| 06:49.19 | cef | PodeCoet: you may find that you need to load the intel e100 or eepro100 driver |
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| 06:49.24 | Thalias | I do that how? |
| 06:49.48 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: One might wonder if Thalias has gpm. :) |
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| 06:50.02 | PodeCoet | cef: Thanks for the reply, can you point me towards a site that contains a howto? I've been googling for an hour :\ |
| 06:50.05 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, you tell him. :) |
| 06:50.13 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
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| 06:50.37 | Gil | dabreegster, Phated: yea, gqG should format the entire document I think |
| 06:50.40 | cef | PodeCoet: there isn't really one.. there should be a line in the output from lspci that lists a network adapter from intel |
| 06:50.53 | Phated | dabreegster: gqG, eh? Cool. |
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| 06:51.02 | PodeCoet | cef: you've lost me :p |
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| 06:51.25 | cef | PodeCoet: run 'lspci' (as root) and look at the output |
| 06:51.32 | Guerin | PodeCoet: there's a sf page about it, IIRC |
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| 06:51.44 | Ether_Sakura | Anyone have any ideas on why my usb and scsi dies when I exit any sdl app? syslog tells me that the IRQs has been disabled but I have no clue as to WHY they was disabled :/ |
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| 06:52.05 | PodeCoet | cef: 01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 1050 (rev 02) |
| 06:52.15 | scarynetworkguy | !any ideas |
| 06:52.15 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack of rutabagas, a little WD-40, and 42 sex-crazed bunnies. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 06:52.30 | scarynetworkguy | bunnies |
| 06:52.36 | Ether_Sakura | O_o |
| 06:52.37 | iratsu | what package has japanese fonts under debian? |
| 06:52.40 | cef | PodeCoet: ahh ok.. most likely not supported.. is that a gigabit onboard nic? |
| 06:52.57 | Guerin | iratsu: apt-cache search font |grep jap |
| 06:53.17 | PodeCoet | nup, just 10/100 - Onboard usb controller is also unsupported - aside from all the otehr devices heh |
| 06:53.37 | Daniel304 | Guerin: all is purged... |
| 06:53.39 | Guerin | PodeCoet: damn, you bought the worst mobo you could find... |
| 06:53.43 | PodeCoet | I have the linux driver for the onboard nic, though... Just need some help in installing (if its that simple) |
| 06:53.43 | Guerin | Daniel304: same error? |
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| 06:53.50 | cef | PodeCoet: you might just try the eepro100 driver.. 'modprobe eepro100' |
| 06:53.56 | Daniel304 | Guerin: should I do apt-get install mysql-server now ??? |
| 06:54.06 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Note "sex-crazed". |
| 06:54.11 | PodeCoet | Guerin: hah, didnt intend on installing linux on it - it is a cheap board though :p |
| 06:54.25 | Guerin | Daniel304: yeah, install the three you just purged - -server, -client, -common from dotdeb |
| 06:54.32 | PodeCoet | cef: failed |
| 06:54.38 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I was choosing to ignore that bit. |
| 06:54.39 | PodeCoet | no cards found |
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| 06:55.00 | Daniel304 | Guerin: failed |
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| 06:55.06 | Guerin | Daniel304: same error? |
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| 06:55.20 | Daniel304 | Guerin: nope check #flood |
| 06:55.28 | Jambon | how do i get my ps2 connector to work? |
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| 06:55.49 | cef | PodeCoet: hrm.. you might try the e100 module.. if you've got it |
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| 06:55.52 | nsadmin | Jambon: teach it a skill first,,, |
| 06:56.05 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. Those are -my- bunnies, damnit. |
| 06:56.17 | scarynetworkguy | Jambon, brutal daily beatings |
| 06:56.23 | nsadmin | then it'll be more marketable in the work force :) |
| 06:56.27 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yes they are |
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| 06:56.59 | PodeCoet | cef: i've gotten e100-3.0.27.tar.gz from intel's site, I think I need to compile it or some crud first (still a linux/debian newbie here, been using an amiga for too long heh) |
| 06:57.00 | scarynetworkguy | nsadmin, I just want it to weed my lawn :) |
| 06:57.03 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Exactly... HANG ON, what are you trying to say? |
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| 06:57.28 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, you are going to get me in trouble. :( |
| 06:57.37 | PodeCoet | cef: aside from that, modprobe says it cant find e100b |
| 06:57.45 | PodeCoet | *-b |
| 06:57.50 | Gil | PodeCoet: that e100 driver you mentioned should already be a module available to you |
| 06:57.53 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I KNEW IT! |
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| 06:58.12 | cef | PodeCoet: ahh ok.. probably not in the kernel you've got.. oh well.. give the intel driver a shot |
| 06:58.27 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, your'e the one with the bunnies. |
| 06:58.36 | michal | i needed to copy about 500 files in one directory. i got interrupted 90% through. how do i copy it again without the files already copied being overwritten (to save time cos it's over 9 gig)? |
| 06:58.45 | cef | PodeCoet: with any luck, it'll compile fine and you'll have a working driver! |
| 06:59.00 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: They are not sex-crazed, hang it all. They're MS-DOS carrying-and-installing hellbunnies. |
| 06:59.11 | jarango | is there a Linux driver for Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11g wireless card ? |
| 06:59.16 | Gil | michal: cp -u? |
| 06:59.21 | PodeCoet | cef: heh ^_^;;;; -- By the remotest chance, you wouldnt be able to tell me how to go about doing that, then loading the module? |
| 06:59.26 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, and very fine little evil demon bunnies they are. |
| 06:59.29 | nsadmin | michal: you might be able to do something with grep -v |
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| 06:59.57 | PodeCoet | even some possible keywords for google |
| 06:59.59 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *bows* |
| 07:00.00 | michal | gil thanx, i wonder where that was when i was studying the manual 10 seconds ago :) |
| 07:00.11 | scarynetworkguy | jarango, check http://www.linx-wlan.com they have a HCL there |
| 07:00.14 | cef | PodeCoet: without downloading the driver myself and looking through it.. probably not.. but just unpack it somewhere first.. that's always the first step |
| 07:00.23 | Gil | michal: ;) |
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| 07:00.34 | PodeCoet | i've unpacked it to disk, and mounted it on debian |
| 07:00.46 | PodeCoet | (whee mounting is cool) |
| 07:01.08 | jarango | scarynetworkguy: are those the drivers that do not use ifconfig ? |
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| 07:01.15 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
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| 07:01.37 | scarynetworkguy | jarango, I don't know I bought a card after checking compat with Debian not the other way around. |
| 07:01.41 | nsadmin | nite all. |
| 07:01.54 | cef | Phated: yay! my guess was right.. you're #1 again.. and I'm catchign up slowly on thomas_adam .. scary! |
| 07:02.01 | Phated | cef: :) |
| 07:02.21 | jarango | Well, I have laptop so there is not much choice there .... |
| 07:02.48 | Gil | woohoo i'm #23! |
| 07:02.57 | Phated | Gil: Bah. :) |
| 07:03.09 | Phated | I was #44 the first five days I was on. :) |
| 07:03.25 | Gil | I'll have to begin a subtle campaign of spam! |
| 07:03.30 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
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| 07:04.05 | cef | Gil: just talk about anything at all.. it's what everyone else does? topic? what's that? *grin* |
| 07:04.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 07:04.41 | Gil | cef: hehe |
| 07:04.55 | Gil | Phated: did that gqG thingie work? |
| 07:05.10 | cef | scarynetworkguy: me or someone else? (yes I'm paranoid.. but that doesn't mean they aren't out to get me, damn it!) |
| 07:05.33 | Phated | Gil: Dunno, I merely repasted everything. :) |
| 07:05.44 | Phated | Gil: Ahhh, trying to chat me up, eh? :) |
| 07:05.44 | scarynetworkguy | cef yes that would be you. |
| 07:05.53 | Gil | Phated: yes |
| 07:05.55 | Gil | hee |
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| 07:06.02 | Phated | Gil: *raised brow* |
| 07:06.07 | scarynetworkguy | cef paranoia just means you are paying attention |
| 07:06.12 | cef | scarynetworkguy: ahh good.. nice to know my paranoia was justified then.. *grin* |
| 07:06.18 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) True. |
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| 07:06.38 | cef | scarynetworkguy: good to see someone else understands that! |
| 07:06.42 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, far too true far too true |
| 07:06.49 | scarynetworkguy | cef oh I'm far from the only one |
| 07:06.55 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/040801-view1.jpg |
| 07:06.58 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ohh, yes. :) |
| 07:06.58 | Nemoder_ | anyone else seeing an unusual amount of packet loss tonight? there some new worm out? |
| 07:07.10 | Guerin | there's something to talk about - the current view from my apartment window |
| 07:07.21 | Phated | Nemoder_: There's -always- some new worm out, which does not necessarily mean your packet loss is due to it. |
| 07:07.27 | Phated | Guerin: Ooh, and why? |
| 07:08.09 | cef | Nemoder_: doesn;t seem to be too bad.. asia has a bit more packet loss than I'd epxect, but otherwise seems ok.. |
| 07:08.11 | Nemoder_ | Phated: true enough, but they've never seemed to have any affect before, lot of friends are having problems with different sites though thinking maybe there is a backbone having problems |
| 07:08.30 | PodeCoet | anyway, thanks for your time guys |
| 07:08.37 | Phated | Nemoder_: Maybe. :) |
| 07:08.46 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, do tell |
| 07:09.03 | q_a_z_steve | I have a bad question: what are some names of good software that will use your computer to find wifi and related 802.1x service, for Win,Linux and mac? |
| 07:09.05 | cef | Nemoder_: always good to check: http://www.internettrafficreport.com/ and http://www.internetpulse.net/ |
| 07:09.18 | Nemoder_ | cef: will do, thanks |
| 07:09.22 | scarynetworkguy | q_a_z_steve, netstumbler |
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| 07:09.28 | Gil | q_a_z_steve: I think the two most popular ones are NetStumbler for Windows and Kismet for Linux |
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| 07:09.45 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Like yours? :) |
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| 07:09.56 | cef | Nemoder_: though it seems that there isn't really an issue that I can see.... depends what country you're in though |
| 07:09.58 | snadge | how do you regenerate /var/lib/dpkg/available file ? |
| 07:09.58 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, he he he. |
| 07:10.01 | snadge | for some reason its corrupted |
| 07:10.08 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
| 07:10.16 | Guerin | snadge: apt-get update? |
| 07:10.19 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yours really is a PITA, though... 15 characters! |
| 07:10.35 | JimButton | Phated: nick completion, woman! |
| 07:10.44 | Guerin | Phated: his is only 4: sca<tab> |
| 07:10.47 | snadge | Guerin, that doesnt work for some reason.. its already cached |
| 07:10.59 | Phated | Guerin: I know, I had to be a bitch about it. :) |
| 07:11.02 | Phated | JimButton: I know.:) |
| 07:11.09 | Guerin | snadge: move the file out of the way, touch a new file there, try again |
| 07:11.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yea and I'm sure that tab after the first two just kill you :) |
| 07:11.10 | Phated | Guerin: Actully, only 3. :) |
| 07:11.17 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Exacement. |
| 07:11.37 | snadge | Guerin, that didnt work either.. trying blowing away the list files |
| 07:11.45 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, for some reason I gotta cycle through that other one to get to you. :) |
| 07:11.45 | Gil | Phated: only two if you use irssi, cause it seems to complete the most recently seen nick anyway! |
| 07:11.47 | cef | Phated: nicks like scarynetworkguy are okm for us that are shooting for longest line and most number of characters... *grin* |
| 07:12.07 | Phated | cef: Haha, how very true... scarynetworkguy's nick rules. :) |
| 07:12.25 | scarynetworkguy | Gil, but even in irssi that has been a bit buggy lately |
| 07:12.34 | JimButton | but now if someone comes and calls themselves "scarynetworkgirl" it will be a pain |
| 07:12.36 | Phated | Gil: I use irssi. :) Always have, always will. Except for the occasional sojourn into xchat. |
| 07:12.39 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
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| 07:12.42 | Phated | JimButton: HA! |
| 07:12.54 | cef | scarynetworkgirl: hahaha |
| 07:12.54 | scarynetworkguy | somebody go kick the root dns servers for me |
| 07:12.59 | Guerin | !aww |
| 07:12.59 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
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| 07:13.01 | JimButton | omg, what have i started? :) |
| 07:13.06 | scarynetworkguy | oh shit |
| 07:13.10 | Guerin | now you two really can get a room |
| 07:13.12 | cef | scarynetworkgirl: yours now comes up first.. that'll stuff people up for sure now! |
| 07:13.21 | peterS | Guerin: yeah |
| 07:13.22 | scarynetworkguy | I'm never going to live this down |
| 07:13.22 | dabreegster | now we all have to cycle through tab:-P |
| 07:13.25 | scarynetworkgirl | Actually, it toggles between scarynetworkgirl/scarynetworkguy. |
| 07:13.29 | oakley | curious, if anybody knows what i need to link the user database between debian systems? |
| 07:13.52 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, you can just go to hell ok buddy :) |
| 07:14.10 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: I'm here already, actually. |
| 07:14.10 | cef | Phated: scarynetworkguy: get a room already! sheesh! |
| 07:14.10 | Phated | Gee, that was fun. :) |
| 07:14.12 | JimButton | Guerin: hell, michigan? :) |
| 07:14.12 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, this time of year yes yes it is. |
| 07:14.20 | Phated | cef: No, no, he's -far- too old for me. Also, he has a date. :) |
| 07:14.22 | JimButton | Guerin: hey, that's close, let's sign keys :) |
| 07:14.22 | Gil | All you debstats whores! |
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| 07:14.40 | Guerin | JimButton: currently 34degC, 75% humidity - and this isn't the hottest day this week :) |
| 07:14.51 | cef | Gil: shhhh! you'll give em ideas! stop it!.. |
| 07:14.52 | Tezkah | aww... he's blushing |
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| 07:15.00 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: So what time's the date, then? |
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| 07:15.08 | Guerin | JimButton: and I'm going on a road trip tomorrow, and my car has crappy aircon :( |
| 07:15.16 | Gil | Sun Aug 1 17:15:17 EST 2004 |
| 07:15.20 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, people are going to misunderstand. :) |
| 07:15.28 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: No, no, not at all. |
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| 07:15.33 | cef | Phated: scarynetworkguy has a date? woah! .. tell all! tell us the goss! |
| 07:15.34 | JimButton | Guerin: there is actually a town quite close here which is called "hell" and it features a sign "welcome to hell" at its city limit |
| 07:15.38 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I know that and you know that.... |
| 07:15.39 | Guerin | hahah |
| 07:15.44 | Guerin | JimButton: classic :) |
| 07:15.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: But they don't... |
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| 07:15.51 | Gil | JimButton: Abandan all hope all ye who enter here! |
| 07:15.51 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yup |
| 07:15.57 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, 6 |
| 07:15.58 | Phated | JimButton: What about the town in France called Apt, then? :) |
| 07:15.59 | Segers_J | JimButton: about when does hell freeze over? |
| 07:16.02 | Thalias | well I got xwindows to start |
| 07:16.08 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Cool, and what time is it now? |
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| 07:16.18 | JimButton | Segers_J: every year, it is michigan :) |
| 07:16.20 | Ether_Sakura | Anyone know anything as to why my usb and scsi dies when I exit any sdl app? syslog tells me that the IRQs has been disabled but I have no clue as to WHY they was disabled :/ |
| 07:16.22 | scarynetworkguy | cef, just some girl I'm going to dinner with no big but it is the first one I've been on in 10 years |
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| 07:16.27 | Segers_J | hahaha |
| 07:16.55 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, Oh hell here it is still Saturday night. 6 Sunday is 18 hours out yet |
| 07:17.00 | Guerin | actually, more than 10 years |
| 07:17.04 | Phated | Guerin: Aren't you married? :| |
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| 07:17.08 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Cool. |
| 07:17.11 | cef | scarynetworkguy: woah! get out the training wheels then.. you may be a little rusty.. actually.. don't be a little rusty.. he's got a porn star's moustache... might not go down well |
| 07:17.13 | Guerin | Phated: yeah. |
| 07:17.23 | Phated | Guerin: Heh. :) |
| 07:17.31 | oakley | dosn't anybody know how to link the user system between debian systems? |
| 07:17.42 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, Phated very cool. :) |
| 07:17.45 | Guerin | oakley: whatever that means. |
| 07:17.51 | scarynetworkguy | cef, yup just going to go have fun. :) |
| 07:18.02 | Segers_J | oakley: make /home an nfs mount? |
| 07:18.05 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You do that, my friend. :) |
| 07:18.21 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, that I will. :) |
| 07:18.35 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Good for you. Now, I have dibs on the deets! |
| 07:18.38 | oakley | segers_j: what about user accounts between systems? |
| 07:18.42 | scarynetworkguy | somebody just shoot me in the head. |
| 07:18.46 | scarynetworkguy | deets? |
| 07:19.10 | Guerin | oakley: what do you MEAN? |
| 07:19.10 | cef | scarynetworkguy: good! have a good time man.. enjoy yourself |
| 07:19.10 | Guerin | !swym |
| 07:19.10 | dpkg | it has been said that swym is Say What You Mean. See also MWYS. |
| 07:19.10 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Details, my man, the DETAILS! |
| 07:19.10 | peterS | dabreegster: you've got two options, I think. take Phated (she seems a bit attention-starved, should be an easy sell) or get off irc and find some real life somewhere (: |
| 07:19.20 | Guerin | haha |
| 07:19.24 | dabreegster | peterS: real life? whats that? |
| 07:19.26 | Phated | peterS: :P |
| 07:19.33 | Guerin | long distance relationships can work |
| 07:19.33 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, oh sure. of course. |
| 07:19.34 | peterS | dabreegster: ok, guess you're down to 1 option |
| 07:19.36 | scarynetworkguy | cef :) |
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| 07:19.46 | Segers_J | oakley: that's what I'm saying, on one machine, run an nfs server, on the other, mount /home from the first one; better have a fast network between them tho' |
| 07:19.47 | Phated | I am -not- attention starved, damnit, Gil was just trying to chat me up. :D |
| 07:19.48 | cef | peterS: methinks that you'll need to do more than that. heheh |
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| 07:20.10 | dabreegster | peterS: I'm just a kid anyway. ^_^ |
| 07:20.22 | peterS | cef: dunno, like I said she seems like she'd be an easy sell for someone willing to provide some attention (: |
| 07:20.30 | oakley | Guerin: I don't know how to explain it really. But, I can say what I want to do. I have 2 systems, currently, one runs apache, named, exim, and a few other things. I just want that system to run named, and exim. SO i can transfer other services to my other system. But I need to be able to have everything sycronized. I.e. user accounts, user directories, email accounts, ect.. ect.. |
| 07:20.34 | scarynetworkguy | so I'm confused is Inousha mortal or not? He keeps freaking changing on me eveytime I turn around |
| 07:20.38 | Phated | Hey, hey! I object being talked about as though I'm not around! |
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| 07:20.50 | Phated | object to* |
| 07:20.52 | JimButton | has anyone seen phated lately? |
| 07:20.58 | dabreegster | JimButton: she's here now. |
| 07:21.01 | Tezkah | ... |
| 07:21.01 | scarynetworkguy | JimButton, not me |
| 07:21.03 | Phated | JimButton: BLAEH! |
| 07:21.04 | peterS | JimButton: seems like she was just here. wonder where she went off to |
| 07:21.12 | JimButton | yeah, whatever |
| 07:21.13 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You... TRAITOR! |
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| 07:21.20 | Guerin | oakley: right. Segers_J's idea sounds like it could work. |
| 07:21.23 | Phated | peterS: You too. |
| 07:21.27 | JimButton | she doesn't like us anymore, i think... |
| 07:21.35 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, vengeance is mine :) |
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| 07:21.40 | Guerin | maybe she has us all on /ignore |
| 07:21.46 | oakley | Well, that takes care of the user directories, but what about user accounts? |
| 07:21.48 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I did -nothing- to you, damnit! :P |
| 07:21.51 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: you could tell dabreegster where your room is |
| 07:21.58 | Phated | Guerin: Oh, no! Not you too! |
| 07:22.08 | Guerin | oakley: will the accounts be changing often? |
| 07:22.18 | Guerin | oakley: or just a case of set it up and ignore it? |
| 07:22.23 | peterS | Guerin: or maybe she's myseriously netsplit so we can't see her anymore |
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| 07:22.28 | helix | Phated: you're definitely attention starved, sorry. |
| 07:22.32 | Guerin | peterS: possibly. |
| 07:22.35 | Phated | helix: Yeha, all right. |
| 07:22.37 | JimButton | helix! |
| 07:22.38 | Phated | Yeha* |
| 07:22.41 | Phated | yeah* |
| 07:22.49 | cef | helix! how goes? |
| 07:22.51 | oakley | Guerin: The accounts will probably change ever so often, i.e. passwords, adding new accounts. |
| 07:22.53 | helix | Phated: you're on topic less than me. do you know how hard that is? |
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| 07:23.01 | helix | JimButton, cef, good evening :) |
| 07:23.17 | Phated | helix: Dunno. |
| 07:23.17 | Guerin | oakley: I think you can use ldap to run centralised accounts - I don't know how to do it, though. |
| 07:23.18 | cef | helix: hehe.. speaking of topics.. or lack thereof... how are the cats? |
| 07:23.46 | Phated | helix: Meaning before I came here, you were the attention-starved one? :) |
| 07:23.48 | oakley | guerin: alright, ill look into it. :) |
| 07:23.50 | dondelelcaro | oakley: you have a bunch of choices, but the popular ones are ldap or nis. |
| 07:23.53 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, that was payback for the whole scarynetworkgirl thing. :) |
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| 07:24.23 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahh, but the scarynetworkgirl thing was teaching JimButton "Be careful what you wish for". |
| 07:24.44 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I just got caught in the crossfire then eh? |
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| 07:25.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Eh, kind of. Collateral damage. :) |
| 07:25.08 | cef | scarynetworkguy: caught in the crossfire? more like used as the ammunition |
| 07:25.09 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: /query is ----> that way |
| 07:25.26 | Phated | peterS: From here is <---- way. |
| 07:25.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, even stevens then? |
| 07:25.31 | peterS | well, yeah |
| 07:25.32 | helix | Phated: I didn't annoy the entire channel so it certainly wasn't as bad |
| 07:25.49 | peterS | haha |
| 07:25.58 | Phated | helix: Ahh, i see. |
| 07:26.03 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Even stevens. |
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| 07:26.38 | Phated | annoy* |
| 07:26.48 | jcook | is there a debian linux group? (like debian desktop?) |
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| 07:27.00 | Guerin | jcook: ?? |
| 07:27.02 | JimButton | jcook: what do you mean? |
| 07:27.06 | Phated | didar: Eh? |
| 07:27.09 | Guerin | jcook: a mailing list? |
| 07:27.11 | helix | jcook: there is a debian-desktop mailing list.. |
| 07:27.29 | scarynetworkguy | cool |
| 07:27.33 | JimButton | jcook: the non-linux debian flavors are minorities anyway, so the linux flavors don't need their own mailing list |
| 07:27.34 | jcook | does debian desktop cater for linux issues? |
| 07:27.46 | helix | what? |
| 07:27.47 | didar | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-desktop/ |
| 07:27.57 | JimButton | jcook: 99% of the debian distributions out there are linux |
| 07:27.59 | Guerin | didar: Yes! You in the $COLOUR $CLOTHING. You have a question? |
| 07:28.12 | didar | ohhh yeah :D |
| 07:28.15 | JimButton | installations i mean |
| 07:28.21 | cef | jcook: you might want to start again.. and elaborate on what the problem is: ie: why? |
| 07:28.28 | un4gotten | hi anyone can help me with my sound card. |
| 07:28.39 | Guerin | un4gotten: state your problem. |
| 07:28.42 | un4gotten | debian:/dev# alsamixer |
| 07:28.42 | un4gotten | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 07:28.48 | un4gotten | that's the problem |
| 07:28.51 | dabreegster | Phated doesnt believe me that I've annoyed the channel. Have I ever annoyed yall? |
| 07:28.54 | jcook | cef: i was just wondering if there was a working group out that like deb desktop ... but for laptops |
| 07:28.57 | Guerin | un4gotten: kernel version, sound card model? |
| 07:29.00 | didar | I connect to the Net using Dial up |
| 07:29.03 | scarynetworkguy | somebody go kick a root dns server for me |
| 07:29.18 | didar | How do I use Snort with dial up? |
| 07:29.22 | peterS | dabreegster: a nick ending in -ster is annohying by default |
| 07:29.23 | un4gotten | Guerin: Kernel 2.6.7-1 sid intel onboard ac 97 sound |
| 07:29.28 | dabreegster | peterS: why? |
| 07:29.30 | Phated | peterS: How so? |
| 07:29.32 | Guerin | !ac97 |
| 07:29.32 | dpkg | methinks ac97 is there's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. Usually (for OSS, not ALSA) this means either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio. |
| 07:29.44 | dabreegster | peterS: just joking, I know |
| 07:29.44 | peterS | dabreegster: evokes images of a 14-year-old |
| 07:29.44 | JimButton | jcook: you sound confused, you want something laptop-specific? or linux on laptop, or linux desktop on laptops? |
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| 07:29.45 | scarynetworkguy | didar, the same way you use it in any other applicatin |
| 07:29.45 | jcook | i am using a toshiba sat pro 2600 ... but deb is screwed on it (something to do with apci and hotplug) |
| 07:29.48 | un4gotten | alsaconf saw the sound card but there were interesting symbols at alsaconf's first screen |
| 07:29.48 | cef | jcook: ahh.. for laptops.. not that I'm aware.. deb desktop is more for user workstations vs servers.. not desktop vs laptop |
| 07:29.49 | peterS | dabreegster: I dunno, it's hard to explain |
| 07:29.55 | Phated | peterS: He's 12. |
| 07:30.03 | Guerin | un4gotten: have you got that the snd_via82xx module loaded? |
| 07:30.09 | dabreegster | peterS: what seh said |
| 07:30.12 | dabreegster | s/seh/she |
| 07:30.13 | didar | I mean what do I set the HOME_NET variable tyo? |
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| 07:30.33 | Guerin | didar: maybe ask in #security, I know SFA about snort |
| 07:30.33 | didar | The IP is dynamic |
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| 07:30.37 | JimButton | jcook: oh, debian desktop actually does not refer to desktop computers, it refers to the graphical interface |
| 07:30.45 | basse_ | hi, dont know if you remember, I was here asking yesterday about USB user permissions for my camera. well, it turned out, it was hotplug system that handled it all. so no /dev stuff was needed. just a correct hotplug script to set user permissions to /proc/bus/usb/xxx on the launchtime.. :) |
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| 07:30.57 | scarynetworkguy | didar what are you trying to do with Snort? |
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| 07:31.03 | merlin0 | hello |
| 07:31.11 | didar | I get too many port scans |
| 07:31.11 | Phated | Hello, merlin0. |
| 07:31.12 | un4gotten | Guerin, so what to do first as is said kernel 2.6.7-1 sid intel 8x0 module needing onboard soundcard |
| 07:31.23 | MerlinCorey | damn you! |
| 07:31.27 | scarynetworkguy | didar, and |
| 07:31.29 | JimButton | jcook: there is http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ , though i am not sure whether you will find the answer to your problem there |
| 07:31.34 | didar | I want to get a list where most portscans originate from? |
| 07:31.35 | merlin0 | is a good idea use libranet for installing a debian testing? |
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| 07:31.40 | scarynetworkguy | didar, and |
| 07:31.45 | Guerin | un4gotten: modprobe snd_via82xx |
| 07:31.46 | jcook | like i said ... i was just wondering ... im thinking of reinstalling ... then filing a bug against the installer |
| 07:31.48 | didar | % by geopgraphy |
| 07:32.06 | cef | merlin0: personally i'd used the new debian installer http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 07:32.09 | Guerin | merlin0: no, that way you'll install libranet. |
| 07:32.13 | JimButton | jcook: yes, if the install does not work, it would be very helpful if you filed it against the installer, please do |
| 07:32.27 | cef | merlin0: it's got a few issues.. but it works quite well, and is getting better all the time |
| 07:32.28 | un4gotten | Guerin:no i know my module.It's snd_intel_8x0 and loaded |
| 07:32.49 | Guerin | un4gotten: ah, ok. |
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| 07:32.55 | scarynetworkguy | didar, good luck. Start by reading and understanding the docs Snort is not quick nor easy. Have you read all the docs on the website? |
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| 07:33.03 | Guerin | un4gotten: gimme the output of lsmod |grep snd into #flood |
| 07:33.15 | didar | well I have downloaded snot-doc package |
| 07:33.23 | didar | I know I can do this scripting |
| 07:33.37 | dabreegster | didar: snot? lol |
| 07:33.50 | didar | I was just wondering if I could avoid doing that |
| 07:33.51 | Guerin | dabreegster: my, you really ARE 12... |
| 07:33.53 | jcook | JimButton: you one working on the installer ? |
| 07:33.54 | jivera | Can I use dpkg-cross for i586-mingw32msvc? |
| 07:34.02 | dabreegster | Guerin: yes. |
| 07:34.04 | JimButton | jcook: no |
| 07:34.07 | scarynetworkguy | didar, yes yes you can but asking about in IRC is not the way to learn it. It is *complex* |
| 07:34.18 | dabreegster | Guerin: could you understand yourself at age 12 or is it just me? |
| 07:34.29 | cef | scarynetworkguy: I was thinking of wearing my " Tracing Spammers: And dealing with them, permanently" T-shirt... but I'm not likely to go out anywhere today.. so I thought: why bother? |
| 07:34.32 | jcook | shucks ... whats the go with debplanet.org ? |
| 07:34.32 | didar | Well, now I'll get kicked!!! |
| 07:34.38 | Phated | Guerin: Heh. |
| 07:34.40 | scarynetworkguy | cef very good |
| 07:34.48 | didar | I'm here at IRC to learn how to use BitchX!!! :-o |
| 07:34.48 | Guerin | dabreegster: I think I could, but I can't remember very well. |
| 07:34.56 | dabreegster | Guerin: it's all hazy, eh? |
| 07:35.16 | dabreegster | didar: you could create your own channel and mess around in it |
| 07:35.20 | cef | scarynetworkguy: I have quite a number of T-shirts from The Register.. *grin*.. though I'm missing the BOFH one.. *8-( |
| 07:35.21 | scarynetworkguy | it's kind of cool having dabreegster on ignore and seeing half of these conversations |
| 07:35.32 | dabreegster | didar: try irssi. apt-get install irssi-text. it _RULES_ |
| 07:35.36 | Phated | cef: Ooh, the Register shirts... :) |
| 07:35.43 | dabreegster | scarynetworkguy: why am I on ignore? *grumbles* |
| 07:36.00 | dabreegster | scarynetworkguy: I'll be good, I promise |
| 07:36.05 | cef | dabreegster: methinks he didn't hear that one, since he has you on ignore.. *grin* |
| 07:36.05 | peterS | dabreegster: you realise he didn't hear that, right? |
| 07:36.06 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Come now, just because someone's less than a fifth your age isn't a reason to /ignore them. :) |
| 07:36.09 | scarynetworkguy | cef, I have my homemade BOFH shirt from before El Reg sold them. :) I just can't bring myself to pay shipping on those bad boys |
| 07:36.17 | dabreegster | I know. *groans* |
| 07:36.31 | cef | scarynetworkguy: I bought them in a bulk hit.. it's how I afforded the shipping |
| 07:36.37 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, he bugged the hell out of me for some reason. I just have not taken him off yet |
| 07:36.48 | cef | scarynetworkguy: they get you noticed at conferences though.. *grin* |
| 07:36.49 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: When did he do so? |
| 07:36.50 | scarynetworkguy | cef see I need to do something like that |
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| 07:37.07 | Phated | Mmmm, bulk orders of BOFH T-shirts... |
| 07:37.20 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, week ago. He was not even talking to me. I don't know I was probably in a pissy mood that night. :) |
| 07:37.40 | Phated | scar |
| 07:37.45 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ohhhh... Hm. |
| 07:38.22 | |Christian| | how can i build/compile an own php4-vpopmail-package for the actual PHP4-version, because the php4-vpopmail in debian-unstable is to old? |
| 07:38.39 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yea shipping from the reg is expensive and thinkgeek is overpriced. I think I'll stick with vendors |
| 07:38.43 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Come now, dabreegster's just a nice kid now... Take him off the /ignore list... |
| 07:38.50 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: For free! :) |
| 07:38.55 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I'll think about it |
| 07:39.08 | Guerin | |Christian|: think real hard about how much pain you are prepared to suffer before starting that |
| 07:39.14 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *shrugs* Good enough. |
| 07:39.25 | Guerin | |Christian|: and look for a backport... or better still, don't use qmail |
| 07:39.53 | jcook | if i want to test a deb installer ... which one should i use? |
| 07:40.10 | jcook | daily ? |
| 07:40.23 | scarynetworkguy | jcook, whatever the current beta is |
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| 07:40.40 | |Christian| | Guerin: i use qmail/vpopmail and i don't change my mailsystem |
| 07:40.41 | Guerin | naw, the dailies kick arse |
| 07:40.56 | cef | scarynetworkguy: I'm not that cheap really.. I do silly and outlandish things.. many that make people call me a mad bastard. example in point: paying $1050 AU for a t-shirt |
| 07:40.59 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, do they now |
| 07:41.00 | didar | Has anyone out here have any experience with XmailServer? |
| 07:41.09 | jcook | i mean ... if i need to do a bug report ... is it fine to do it against a daily image? |
| 07:41.17 | scarynetworkguy | cef, good grief man. |
| 07:41.21 | Guerin | |Christian|: whatever. Look for a backport of a newer version on apt-get.org. Compiling should be your last option. |
| 07:41.22 | Penix | cef: I hope it was signed by someone |
| 07:41.43 | cef | Penix: hehe it was signed by all the speakers at LCA 2002 (Brisbane).. |
| 07:41.55 | |Christian| | it is the last option, there is no php4-vpopmail-package on apt-get.org |
| 07:41.57 | Penix | had a feeling it was lca related |
| 07:41.59 | scarynetworkguy | I had good luck with the rc1 but I guess many folks did not |
| 07:42.03 | jcook | lca ? |
| 07:42.23 | scarynetworkguy | cewf don't leave us hanging. You gotta tell that story |
| 07:42.25 | Penix | jcook: http://www.linux.conf.au |
| 07:42.31 | Phated | cef: What the heck was that T-shirt, gold? |
| 07:42.32 | jcook | ahh |
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| 07:42.39 | cef | Penix: the prices on the t-shirts keep going up though.. it's impossible to compete now |
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| 07:43.03 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
| 07:43.04 | didar | see'ya later all |
| 07:43.05 | Phated | cef: Ahhh. |
| 07:43.06 | cef | Phated: what can I say...? I'm mad, and I have the evidence to prove it |
| 07:43.09 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 07:43.11 | Guerin | |Christian|: sucks to be you, then. If it exists in sid or sarge, you can byo woody backport - /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 07:43.17 | Phated | cef: 's OK, we're here, aren't we? :) |
| 07:43.34 | scarynetworkguy | cef story already man |
| 07:43.42 | cef | Phated: heheh.. we are indeed.. we are indeed *grin* |
| 07:44.09 | jivera | Oh, dpkg-cross doesn't actually cross-compile stuff, just reconfigure already built packages... |
| 07:44.21 | Phated | cef: *grin* |
| 07:44.29 | peterS | jivera: it *should* handle cross compiling. it doesn't? |
| 07:44.38 | jivera | peterS: Oh, does it? |
| 07:45.52 | peterS | jivera: I haven't used it. you may be right. but that was the impression I've had |
| 07:46.05 | tchino | i have problems to print postcript under debian-sarge |
| 07:46.21 | cef | scarynetworkguy: oh yeah.. I forgot to say.. part of the bid for the t-shirt was that I got my name into the kernel.. and yup, it's there alright! in net/core/netfilter.c |
| 07:46.58 | deadcat | my fonts are fucked. they are hella blur. what do i do? i think its after installing openoffice.org )= |
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| 07:47.09 | scarynetworkguy | cef well that is pretty much worth it and you got a shirt out of the deal |
| 07:47.14 | cef | scarynetworkguy: had to outbid tridge on that one.. which was plainly silly.. since his name is already in the kernel |
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| 07:47.47 | jivera | What's the easiest way to setup a debian package where I just want to stick a couple files in specific directories? |
| 07:48.17 | cef | scarynetworkguy: Rusty Russell said "If we get over $1000, I'll put the winning bidders name in the kernel".. (the bid was about $600 at that point).. tridge immediately bid $1000 |
| 07:48.30 | deadcat | please help out with my fonts. http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/bad.fonts.png |
| 07:48.31 | tchino | when i want to print under mozilla or kate, it comes the message: %!PS-Adobe-3.0 and many empty sides follows |
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| 07:48.53 | scarynetworkguy | cef and now it all makes sense. :) |
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| 07:49.23 | cef | scarynetworkguy: 'grep Stuart net/core/netfilter.c' if you want to see my name (and no.. I don't care who knows my name) |
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| 07:50.45 | scarynetworkguy | cef looks like you're a bug :) |
| 07:50.53 | Tezkah | cef isn't a bug... he's a feature! |
| 07:51.06 | scarynetworkguy | Tezkah, it says to fix him. :) |
| 07:51.08 | cef | scarynetworkguy: some people might say that's an apt description *grin* |
| 07:51.50 | cef | scarynetworkguy: that's partly because the code around there got changed at the time of the conference.. someone found a bug in netfilter, so Rusty patched the code and added the comment at the same time. |
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| 07:52.13 | tchino | can someone help me to print postscript-files under debian |
| 07:52.23 | scarynetworkguy | cef I see |
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| 07:52.39 | cef | scarynetworkguy: what is funny is that it's been in there since 2.4.* times.. and it's still there |
| 07:53.05 | scarynetworkguy | cef seeing has how you paid $1000 for it I should hope not |
| 07:53.11 | TheoMurpse | if i did apt-get install j2sdk1.4 and got an error that i was missing the j2re1.4 dependency, and now every apt-get install i do, i get the error that i'm missing the j2re dependecy |
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| 07:53.24 | TheoMurpse | how can i fix this problem? |
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| 07:53.35 | niriven | Id like to remove agpgart from loadup at bootime, how do i go about doing this? |
| 07:53.58 | Tezkah | how would one get a list of connected usb ports, and the devices connected to them? |
| 07:54.33 | niriven | try dmesg | grep usb |
| 07:54.43 | cef | Tezkah: try 'lsusb' .. part of usb-utils I think |
| 07:55.00 | deadcat | nevermind the fonts. fixed it. must be ttf-bitstream-vera or libttf<something>4 |
| 07:55.00 | scarynetworkguy | Tezkah, get a pen. look at your USB devices. Make list :) |
| 07:55.13 | Tezkah | scarynetworkguy: yeah, that seems to be the best way, but this isn't for me |
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| 07:55.30 | cahoot | niriven: agpgart loaded by hotplug? try put the modulename in /etc/hotplug/blacklist |
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| 07:55.51 | peterS | Tezkah: dumb USB mouse? that's my bailiwick. what's wrong with it? |
| 07:55.51 | cef | Tezkah: ahh sorry, usbutils .. no hyphen in that package name |
| 07:56.18 | Tezkah | hehe, this USB mouse sucks... wireless, falling apart, uses AAs |
| 07:56.20 | niriven | cahoot: not sure if it is, is it? |
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| 07:56.28 | Tezkah | but it works, so I'm too lazy to buy a new one |
| 07:56.31 | peterS | Tezkah: ahh. you mean hardware-wise it sucks. nothing to do with debian. |
| 07:56.36 | scarynetworkguy | Tezkah, cef yea that works well |
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| 07:56.59 | cahoot | niriven: if not in /etc/modules I guess so |
| 07:57.02 | scarynetworkguy | !phatedsmite buggy nick completion |
| 07:57.23 | Tezkah | peterS: yeah, the teflon or whatever tabs on the bottom of the mouse are physically falling out :) |
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| 07:57.32 | Tezkah | happened on a Mac, so its not debians fault :) |
| 07:57.45 | peterS | Tezkah: right, right (: |
| 07:58.03 | cef | Tezkah: I tend to find that double sided tape tends to be quite useful for those little teflon pads.. and the rupper feet on laptops too |
| 07:58.44 | cef | Tezkah: erm, rubber .. rupper.. what was going through my fingers when I typed that? |
| 07:58.50 | TheoMurpse | i did apt-get install j2sdk1.4 and got an error that i was missing the j2re1.4 dependency, and now every apt-get install i do, i get the error that i'm missing the j2re dependency...how can i fix this? |
| 07:58.54 | Tezkah | cef: yeah, but these are like, totally worn off, one is missing |
| 07:58.58 | iceypppd | anyone here working dnssec? |
| 07:59.00 | Tezkah | the mousepad provides some glide action |
| 07:59.36 | cef | Tezkah: ahh.. that'd sure cause problems |
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| 07:59.48 | jcook | question ... is it possible to get exactly whatis printed at boot (not just dmesg) |
| 07:59.58 | Tezkah | the alternative is a Microsoft wheel mouse... and I dont wanna go there... |
| 08:00.04 | cef | Tezkah: of course, I used to have a mouse mat that chewed up mice and spat them out.. abrasive surface .. worked like sandpaper |
| 08:00.05 | themolest | if a person uses a linux iptables nat firewall.. and is on a windows box on the network and wants to view a multicast video stream... are there any modifications on the nat router that are needed |
| 08:00.51 | Guerin | themolest: shouldn't be, if the client initiates the connection |
| 08:00.56 | Tezkah | cef: yeah, using this without a mousepad on a desk for about a year eventually got to it... and the desk surface too |
| 08:01.33 | cef | Phated: look out.. scarynetworkguy is catching you on debstats! |
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| 08:01.40 | Phated | cef: Oh, no. |
| 08:01.41 | themolest | cuz... i was trying to view a multicast video... and it was playing bad... i clicked on this test link and it says i diddn't recieve the multicast packets |
| 08:01.46 | jcook | themolest: shouldn't need to ... the multicast should just be de multicasted |
| 08:01.48 | tchino | how can update locatedb |
| 08:02.06 | themolest | jcook does... that require something? |
| 08:02.23 | cahoot | tchino: updatedb |
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| 08:02.35 | Phated | Cool. :) |
| 08:02.43 | Phated | Argh, damn, he's back. |
| 08:02.48 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, how many pages? |
| 08:03.07 | iceypppd | anyone using dhcp with dynamic dns updates and can help me a little with the keys? |
| 08:03.11 | tchino | cahoot: without commands |
| 08:03.19 | scarynetworkguy | I could go away again |
| 08:03.20 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: 98 |
| 08:03.25 | cahoot | tchino: that is the command |
| 08:03.31 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, so you got a good long ways to go. |
| 08:03.41 | cef | scarynetworkguy: seems you're catching Phated on debstats.. she's getting worried! |
| 08:03.41 | jcook | themolest: never had any actually experience with mcast ... but there are options to compile mcast stuff in the kernel ... thats odd though ... my understanding of mcast was that if the router supports mcast and has more than 1 recipient ... it'll use mcast ... saving bandwidth |
| 08:03.53 | scarynetworkguy | cef I promise to slow down. :) |
| 08:03.56 | jcook | s/lly/l/ |
| 08:04.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Thank you. :) |
| 08:04.25 | tchino | cahoot: ok, my problem is ghostview don't find the file gs_init.ps, i want to search after that |
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| 08:04.35 | themolest | as far as i knew... the mcast stuff wasn't required client side... until i found out i couldn't use it |
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| 08:04.37 | oelewapperke | is there an install image that just has an initrd ? |
| 08:04.38 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) freak |
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| 08:04.43 | oelewapperke | I would like to install debian over netboot |
| 08:04.45 | Phated | Grrrr, first tubbing off, now rubbingoff... |
| 08:04.54 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 08:05.18 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I'm just gonna practice air guitar for a bit. |
| 08:05.24 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Go right ahead. :) |
| 08:05.28 | peterS | can you do that rubbing in your private room with scary? you can invite cef in if need be |
| 08:05.34 | cef | Phated: hahah.. that's an image I'm not sure I want to think of |
| 08:05.35 | jcook | is it possible to get what is printed to the console at boot including the init output (not just dmesg) |
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| 08:05.39 | Phated | peterS: Eeew. |
| 08:05.44 | Phated | cef: Me neither. |
| 08:05.46 | cahoot | tchino: /usr/share/gs-gpl/8.01/lib/gs_init.ps here - must be something fundamentally wrong of it's not found |
| 08:05.46 | scarynetworkguy | shitshitshitshit |
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| 08:06.22 | tchino | cahoot: i have debian sarge |
| 08:06.26 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Eh? |
| 08:06.29 | cef | scarynetworkguy: badgerbadgerbadgerbadger |
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| 08:06.34 | Phated | az[a]zel: Them drop work! |
| 08:06.36 | cahoot | tchino: same here |
| 08:06.43 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I'll never live that down. :) |
| 08:06.44 | jcook | comeon ... i know someone knows |
| 08:06.49 | Phated | cef: shit != badger |
| 08:06.55 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah, you never will. :) |
| 08:07.00 | tchino | cahoot: i want to update locate and then i want to search after that, when it wrong, i want to update it from internet |
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| 08:07.34 | cahoot | tchino: did you run updatedb? |
| 08:07.39 | jarango | is the a command that will tell me what chipset I have ? |
| 08:07.50 | tchino | cahoot: oh, yes, but it needs a long time |
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| 08:08.01 | scarynetworkguy | :) |
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| 08:08.20 | cef | jarango: sort of.. 'lspci' will most likely give you a clue as to what chipset is in your machine.. |
| 08:08.30 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye, nothing can ever be lived down with the hellbunnies to remind you of it. :) |
| 08:09.13 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, true |
| 08:09.18 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
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| 08:09.23 | cef | jarango: but it's really in internal bits, not the physical stuff.. so it will only give you a clue.. usually enough for installing drivers and the like though |
| 08:09.23 | cahoot | tchino: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages.en-gb.html#search_contents |
| 08:10.18 | jarango | thanks |
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| 08:11.40 | cef | deadcat: in, out, in, out, in, out. type on it, don't screw it! |
| 08:12.04 | scarynetworkguy | mmmm port knocking with OS detection. |
| 08:12.09 | tchino | cahoot: locate gs_init shows /usr/share/gs-esp/7.07/lib/gs_init.ps and /usr/share/gs-gpl/8.01/lib/gs_init.ps |
| 08:12.21 | Phated | cef: Jeez, whole lot of innuendo there. |
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| 08:13.08 | cahoot | tchino: same here |
| 08:13.16 | cef | Phated: hehe.. old joke from my BBS days.. people joining and leaving chat sessions all the time .... used to get used a lot |
| 08:13.32 | Phated | cef: Heh, good one, though. :) |
| 08:13.36 | TheoMurpse | i did apt-get install j2sdk1.4 and got an error that i was missing the j2re1.4 dependency, and now every apt-get install i do, i get the error that i'm missing the j2re dependency...how can i fix this? |
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| 08:13.48 | Phated | Er, install it? |
| 08:13.59 | scarynetworkguy | TheoMurpse, do what it told you to do |
| 08:14.25 | scapor | Hey. What software is in 'contrib' ...?µ |
| 08:14.29 | tchino | cahoot: i'm surprised about the message, it is ghostview 6.53, when i openened a üpostscript-file and i have a directory with 8.01 |
| 08:14.43 | scarynetworkguy | scapor, things that non-free packages depend on |
| 08:14.53 | dabreegster | TheoMurpse: apt-get install j2re1.4 |
| 08:14.55 | scapor | scarynetworkguy: and non-free .. is commercial software ? |
| 08:15.06 | theEnvoy | i apt-got a kernel-image and things seem to be borked now. apt is telling me it can't install the kernel-pcmcia deb as the kernel-image will not be install. how do i clean this up? |
| 08:15.10 | scapor | scarynetworkguy: or software where no source-code is freely available ? |
| 08:15.10 | Guerin | scapor: proprietary |
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| 08:15.17 | scapor | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:15.20 | dabreegster | TheoMurpse: or you could run dselect, search for it, and mark it as purge with the _ key |
| 08:15.26 | TheoMurpse | scarynetworkguy: it didn't tell me to do anything...just it's a error (2) |
| 08:15.32 | Guerin | scapor: or otherwise non-free, by the dfsg |
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| 08:15.39 | TheoMurpse | dabreegster: i get error when i try to apt-get install ANYthing including j2re1.4 |
| 08:16.01 | scarynetworkguy | scapor, anthing with a license that is not DSFG complaint. And no it does not have to mean either of those things. Plenty of apps that are non-commercial and have source are there |
| 08:16.04 | dabreegster | hmm... |
| 08:16.12 | dabreegster | is your sources.list ok? |
| 08:16.16 | scapor | scarynetworkguy: ok. thank you very much :) |
| 08:16.28 | scarynetworkguy | scapor, you are welcome very much |
| 08:16.51 | dabreegster | TheoMurpse: run dselect, goto select, type / and that package name, and purge it. |
| 08:17.03 | TheoMurpse | dabreegster: thanks, i will do that |
| 08:17.14 | scarynetworkguy | TheoMurpse, apt-get -f install and bob should be your uncle |
| 08:17.25 | dabreegster | TheoMurpse: any time |
| 08:17.38 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: other way around. contrib packages depend on non-free. not necessarily vice versa |
| 08:17.42 | TheoMurpse | who is bob? and why should he be my uncle? |
| 08:17.59 | dabreegster | TheoMurpse: it's probably a joke |
| 08:17.59 | scarynetworkguy | peterS, ok I always get that backwards. Thanks |
| 08:18.04 | scapor | scarynetworkguy: "non-us" .. are they packages that are not legal in USA ? |
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| 08:18.28 | Phated | scapor: I believe so. |
| 08:18.30 | dabreegster | scapor: yes. but who cares? |
| 08:18.39 | scapor | I don't :) |
| 08:18.43 | rdancer | i guess there is no way to tell mutt to display a ``unsupported (use 'v' to view this part)'' attachment inline, simply by ``cat %s''? |
| 08:18.59 | scarynetworkguy | scapor, no packages that a few years ago needed to be hosted outside of the US. For example when our crypto laws here were dorked anything wiht strong cyrpto had to be hosted on machines outside of the us |
| 08:19.00 | dabreegster | scapor: exactly. |
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| 08:19.29 | scarynetworkguy | dabreegster, no he is wrong non-us are not illegal in the us |
| 08:19.39 | Guerin | !non-us |
| 08:19.39 | dpkg | i heard non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list. For testing or unstable, substitute "testing" or "unstable" for "woody". or if you want sources, then use the same line but with deb-src at the beginning instead of deb, or ask me about "crypto" |
| 08:19.46 | scapor | scarynetworkguy: nice explanation :) |
| 08:19.53 | Guerin | weapons of mass cryptography |
| 08:19.56 | scarynetworkguy | scapor, thankjs |
| 08:20.00 | Zetabyt1 | if you haven't already seen the official howto, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
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| 08:20.06 | Zetabyt1 | it's pretty complete. |
| 08:20.23 | scapor | Zetabyt1 mine won't be .. but doesn't need to be either :) |
| 08:20.31 | dabreegster | Guerin: the gov just wants our encryption to be weak so they can spy on us:-p |
| 08:20.41 | scapor | Zetabyt1: I'll will include the link :p |
| 08:20.50 | Phated | Guerin: Heh. :) |
| 08:20.51 | scarynetworkguy | TheoMurpse, http://alt-usage-english.org/excerpts/fxbobsyo.html |
| 08:20.57 | scarynetworkguy | the sun's gone to hell |
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| 08:21.27 | peterS | the moon riding high |
| 08:21.36 | Guerin | dabreegster: you in the US? |
| 08:21.53 | scarynetworkguy | dabreegster, once again you have it backwards it is not about people in the US not using stong crypto it was about exporting strong cyrpto and for the most part those laws have been overturned now |
| 08:22.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: That's my place. The sun's a nice guy. :) |
| 08:22.01 | dabreegster | Guerin: yep |
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| 08:22.15 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I hate the stupid daystar |
| 08:22.20 | Guerin | dabreegster: see scarynetworkguy's response |
| 08:22.28 | dabreegster | scarynetworkguy: oh yeah, true. you've unblocked me, eh? thanks. |
| 08:22.45 | dabreegster | ok |
| 08:22.59 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah, he's fun sometimes. :) I like sticking him in the closet. :) |
| 08:23.18 | scarynetworkguy | dabreegster, yea read about WW 2 and crypto. |
| 08:23.23 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
| 08:23.28 | Zetabyt1 | ok - i've already done some google-ing for the answer and I'm not finding what i'm looking for - how do I make sudo stop complaining about looking up my hostname? what do i have to put in the hosts file? |
| 08:23.41 | dabreegster | scarynetworkguy: will do |
| 08:23.45 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 08:23.52 | dabreegster | brb |
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| 08:24.53 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, it burnssss |
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| 08:25.11 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Sure it does. :) |
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| 08:25.39 | scarynetworkguy | peterS, very good :) |
| 08:25.45 | dabreegster | back |
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| 08:25.54 | comfrey | hey all |
| 08:25.55 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: I was hoping you meant that song |
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| 08:26.05 | scarynetworkguy | peterS, yes I did. |
| 08:26.06 | comfrey | anyone here know offlineimap? |
| 08:26.12 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: for all I knew that was a quote from somewhere else as well |
| 08:26.21 | comfrey | i am having issues connecting via ssl |
| 08:26.22 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: but 'brothers in arms' is a very good song (: |
| 08:26.42 | scarynetworkguy | peterS, damn fine album in general. |
| 08:26.44 | Guerin | mark knopfler has the mad chops |
| 08:26.56 | peterS | indeed |
| 08:27.07 | Guerin | and understaed, as well |
| 08:27.26 | rdancer | Zetabyt1: echo <YOUR IP> `hostname` >> /etc/hosts |
| 08:27.29 | Guerin | understated, even. Like Eric Clapton's subtle side |
| 08:27.40 | scarynetworkguy | that he does and is |
| 08:27.46 | Zetabyt1 | oh, sweet. thanks |
| 08:28.17 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yea us trolls can only take so much of that you know |
| 08:28.30 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
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| 08:29.00 | Guerin | hah, people have been calling me a geezer since I was in my late teens |
| 08:29.05 | Phated | Guerin: Heh. |
| 08:29.07 | TLF | hi all |
| 08:29.11 | Phated | In that case: |
| 08:29.17 | Zetabyt1 | wewt, it worked |
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| 08:29.20 | TLF | anyone here using experimental and KDE? |
| 08:29.26 | Zetabyt1 | thanks rdancer |
| 08:29.30 | Guerin | TLF: I hope not. |
| 08:29.31 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, not a bad thing that |
| 08:29.50 | TLF | Guerin: :-) |
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| 08:30.07 | Phated | TLF: For real, though, you shouldn't. |
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| 08:31.14 | TLF | Phated: :-D |
| 08:31.22 | jarango | Will a kernel compiled for Pentium-4 processor family run on Athlon XP ? |
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| 08:31.24 | Phated | TLF: :) |
| 08:31.29 | scarynetworkguy | TLF, Phated ain't joking |
| 08:31.33 | peterS | jarango: I doubt it |
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| 08:31.38 | Shortee | can I get help |
| 08:31.40 | TLF | scarynetworkguy: i know |
| 08:31.42 | Shortee | my apt-get isnt working |
| 08:31.54 | karlfr | Question... I'm running Sarge, source.list tracking "testing main". When Sarge becomes "stable", will my next "apt-get update" cause all of my packages to update to what's now "unstable"? What would be ugly. |
| 08:31.55 | scarynetworkguy | jarango, no no it will not |
| 08:32.03 | peterS | jarango: just compile for i686, that will run on both and anything beyond that gives you *very* diminishing returns |
| 08:32.12 | karlfr | s/What/That/ |
| 08:32.12 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Of course, no one should run KDE _at_ _all_, should they? |
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| 08:32.15 | TLF | well, so i'm going to report a bug |
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| 08:32.41 | scarynetworkguy | karlfr, just s/testing/sarge and you will be good |
| 08:32.49 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, not really no |
| 08:32.54 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 08:33.16 | jarango | peterS: would that be the option that says 586/K5/5x86/6x86/6x86MX ? |
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| 08:33.23 | GregorR | If I wanted to install Debian with the basic stuff + KDE, what CDs would really be necessary? I'm not sure I want to download all 8 :P |
| 08:33.34 | scarynetworkguy | jarango, what are you trying to do? |
| 08:33.39 | Shortee | I tried using apt-get install k3b, and got an error |
| 08:33.39 | Phated | GregorR: Floppy netinst, and then download. |
| 08:33.40 | Shortee | its long |
| 08:33.46 | peterS | jarango: I forget how it appears on the menu. but no, something more advanced than that |
| 08:33.46 | Cabledude | what causes debian sarge (2.6.7) to give the message, "the system administrator has temporarily disabled access to the system", and I can only log in as root? |
| 08:33.49 | scarynetworkguy | GregorR, number 1 |
| 08:33.57 | peterS | jarango: in fact, just saying "Pentium Pro" or "Pentium II" would work on both |
| 08:34.00 | GregorR | Seriously??? |
| 08:34.05 | GregorR | Just #1? |
| 08:34.24 | peterS | Cabledude: you have a file called /etc/nologin, I think |
| 08:34.27 | peterS | Cabledude: if so, delete it |
| 08:34.29 | scarynetworkguy | GregorR, yes that will let you do a netinstall and from there only download the bits that you need |
| 08:34.31 | TLF | Phated: it's possible to report bugs about packages in experimental? |
| 08:34.33 | Phated | GregorR: Six floppies would take less time to download than one ISO. |
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| 08:34.43 | karlfr | scarynetworkguy, thanks. |
| 08:34.47 | Phated | TLF: Dunno, I'm a sid person, not experimental. |
| 08:34.49 | Shortee | Can I paste my error w/ apt-get here? its 10 lines long |
| 08:34.53 | GregorR | Crikey, what if I don't want to do a net install, what if I'm trying to install on a comp without net >_< |
| 08:34.55 | Cabledude | thanks, I'll try that. BTW, does that mean I got hacked? |
| 08:34.55 | peterS | TLF: report them via email to the maintainer, not via the BTS |
| 08:34.58 | Phated | Shortee: #flood |
| 08:35.04 | Shortee | alright, you there? |
| 08:35.05 | Shortee | #flood |
| 08:35.13 | peterS | TLF: if they want bugs reported via the BTS they will respond and tell you so |
| 08:35.14 | jarango | scarynetworkguy: I need the kernel with the optimal family setting that will run on athlon XP and Pentium 4 |
| 08:35.28 | TLF | peterS: ok, thanks :-) |
| 08:35.29 | Randy | there are only 2 SATA ports on my motherboard, how do I add a 3rd sata device ? |
| 08:35.39 | Shortee | Can you guys join #flood, so I can show you my error? |
| 08:35.46 | Guerin | jarango: i386 - maybe 586 if you're lucky |
| 08:35.51 | Guerin | Shortee: just do it |
| 08:35.51 | scarynetworkguy | jarango, 386 maybe. Trying to run the same kernel on both of those is IMO not the smartest thing you could do |
| 08:36.00 | Shortee | Guerin, do what? |
| 08:36.10 | Guerin | Shortee: paste your damn error already |
| 08:36.19 | Shortee | alright |
| 08:36.21 | Shortee | :) |
| 08:36.33 | Guerin | Shortee: so did you do what it said? |
| 08:36.40 | jarango | scarynetworkguy: is for development pursposes. the same compiled image is ran on different machines |
| 08:36.41 | Shortee | that happened after I typed apt-get install k3d |
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| 08:36.52 | jarango | I am sure I can do better than i386 |
| 08:36.55 | Guerin | Shortee: it tells you what to do |
| 08:37.01 | Guerin | jarango: what makes you sure? |
| 08:37.05 | jarango | just not sure which one is the best ... |
| 08:37.06 | Shortee | alright |
| 08:37.14 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, s/sure/hope |
| 08:37.17 | Guerin | jarango: and wtf are you compiling a kernel to use on two differnt chips? |
| 08:37.24 | Shortee | go look @ #flood again |
| 08:37.27 | jarango | atlon supports pentium-MMX |
| 08:37.41 | scarynetworkguy | jarango, once you start moving up that tree you very quickly get to a point where they will not play nice |
| 08:37.50 | Guerin | Shortee: did you do apt-get update? |
| 08:38.02 | Shortee | Guerin, thats the error of apt-get update |
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| 08:38.05 | Guerin | !athlon |
| 08:38.05 | dpkg | AMD's Athlon is beter then anything Intel has any day of the week. |
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| 08:38.12 | Guerin | !k7 |
| 08:38.12 | dpkg | k7 is probably the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 08:38.24 | Guerin | jarango: see that? i386 commpatible |
| 08:38.38 | Phated | Thunderbird? Ain't that a Mozilla thing? |
| 08:38.39 | scarynetworkguy | he shoots, he scores |
| 08:38.41 | Guerin | Shortee: is kmerlin installed? |
| 08:38.48 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *swish!* |
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| 08:38.58 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, email client from that group yes |
| 08:39.08 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Exactly. I use it, hang it all. |
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| 08:39.27 | jarango | Guerin: as I said, its only during development. when I'm done I will of course compile a separate image for each machine |
| 08:39.30 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I thought you were a mutt person |
| 08:39.39 | niriven | I really having problems, im trying to remove agpgart and nvidia_agp from kernel boot, i tried blacklist and alias, no luck |
| 08:39.43 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: No, mutt only on Linux. Windows is Thunderbird. |
| 08:39.44 | Guerin | jarango: so use 386 until then, if it's just a stop-gap measure |
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| 08:40.31 | Guerin | jarango: on either of those cpus, you could have compiled both kernels in the time it's taken to talk about it |
| 08:40.38 | Zetabyt1 | no, dpkg, athlon is AMD's P4-competitor. It runs hot but competes well against Intel's P4, as long as the cooling fan never fails. |
| 08:40.48 | scarynetworkguy | jarango, I do not speculate when I tell you this. Higher than 386 your chances of it booting on the AMD box go down dramaticaly by the time you reach i686 you will be at 0 |
| 08:40.50 | sap | for some reason I can't login using may user account via xdm ... this is just my desktop machine that I have full access to and root can login just fine. would anyone know why this would change? I can't think of anything I've changed over the last few hours of use that would cause this. su <username> works from the shell? |
| 08:41.14 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, good on windows there are worse clients that's for sure |
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| 08:41.28 | Shortee | alright, the apt-get update is done, now do I try getting k3b again? |
| 08:41.29 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Outlook Express! |
| 08:41.34 | Guerin | Shortee: yes |
| 08:41.40 | dabreegster | sap: sometimes if your password contains special characters it can screw it up. that happened to me and gdm. |
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| 08:42.05 | scarynetworkguy | Zetabyt1, that is true but you can't build a 686 kernel and run it on one. That is what the factiod is talking about |
| 08:42.08 | sap | dabreegster: but this has been working for weeks |
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| 08:42.12 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yup |
| 08:42.22 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: naw, different factoid |
| 08:42.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I knew it. :D |
| 08:42.31 | Zetabyt1 | ah. |
| 08:42.31 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, my bad. |
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| 08:42.41 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, pretty awful stuff |
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| 08:42.45 | jarango | Guerin: what you are saying is totally dumb. How many times do I have to tell you I am adding some code to the kernel. Is it smart to compile twice every time I want to test a change ? |
| 08:42.47 | Guerin | sap: what error message if you try to log in from console? |
| 08:42.48 | Zetabyt1 | i was just trying to update dpkg's not-terribly-helpful definition for athlon |
| 08:42.55 | niriven | Noone knows anything about removing modules from startup? :( |
| 08:42.59 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: -Why- people use it, I don't understand. :) |
| 08:42.59 | Zetabyt1 | with a slightly-more-helpful one |
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| 08:43.14 | Shortee | hey guys, go back to #flood |
| 08:43.16 | Guerin | jarango: I missed the bit where you told me that. |
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| 08:43.33 | Guerin | jarango: in any case, i386 is your arch, go use it. |
| 08:43.41 | Corporate | hey |
| 08:43.42 | scarynetworkguy | jarango, yes it is. at the end you are going to want to optimize for the procs. If you test with it not optimized you have not really tested at all have you? |
| 08:43.47 | jarango | Guerin: I know I could use i386, the thing is that I am measuring performance, so I need the best setting ... |
| 08:44.01 | mtnman | niriven: man modules; you will probably need to edit /etc/modules |
| 08:44.05 | Guerin | jarango: they, yes, it IS a good idea to compile two kernels. |
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| 08:44.11 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, laziness |
| 08:44.13 | Corporate | I'm noticing weird cpu spikes with every 2.6.6 kernel I compile |
| 08:44.17 | Corporate | anyone know what it could be? |
| 08:44.23 | Corporate | doesn't matter what options I've tried so far |
| 08:44.25 | jarango | Guerin: whatever ... |
| 08:44.36 | Shortee | Guerin, did you see my paste in #flood? |
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| 08:44.46 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Thunderbird works much the same as Outlook, except much better... :) |
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| 08:44.55 | niriven | mtnman: agpgart is not in there, though |
| 08:44.56 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, yes we all did DO WHAT IT TELLS YOU TO DO |
| 08:45.05 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, its a new paste |
| 08:45.18 | Guerin | jarango: your choices are: 1) use 1386 and suffer slight performance losses 2) use 586 or 686 and risk it not working on the athlon 3) compile two kernels and get the best of both worlds |
| 08:45.21 | mtnman | niriven: is it compiled in or as a module? |
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| 08:45.27 | Shortee | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 30553 package `kmerlin':<Shortee> missing version |
| 08:45.28 | dpkg | Shortee: You are moron #28 |
| 08:45.33 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yup I've set it up for a couple of folks. pretty good code. the spam filters work really well once you train them. |
| 08:45.36 | Guerin | jarango: seriously, how long does a kernel compile take on a machine that fast? 10 minutes? |
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| 08:45.57 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, apt-get -f install |
| 08:46.00 | niriven | mtnman: Not sure, im using a kernel image |
| 08:46.02 | Guerin | Shortee: never seen that one. |
| 08:46.04 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah, the spam filter rules. :) |
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| 08:46.21 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, it would take a lot to not be better |
| 08:46.27 | Guerin | jarango: but, hell, I don't give a good goddan what you do. |
| 08:46.30 | Shortee | whats apt-get -f install do? |
| 08:46.34 | Guerin | or a goddamn, either. |
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| 08:46.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 08:46.45 | mtnman | niriven: if you look in /boot, there is a config file for each kernel. |
| 08:46.46 | Guerin | Shortee: forces the install. I doubt it will work. |
| 08:47.12 | Shortee | do I do apt-get install k3d -f ? |
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| 08:47.16 | Shortee | or how would I do it? |
| 08:47.17 | psycose | hi |
| 08:47.30 | niriven | mtnman: Yeah i checked that out, i tried removing agp loadup stuff, didnt work |
| 08:47.49 | mtnman | niriven: removing what from where? |
| 08:48.11 | Shortee | Guerin, what would the command be to force k3d? |
| 08:48.19 | jarango | Guerin: is a difference of twice as much, a big deal when you're compile over and over and over .... |
| 08:48.22 | Shortee | Guerin, apt-get -f install k3d? |
| 08:48.22 | jcook | is it possible to re-enable an IRQ after the kernel has disabled it? |
| 08:48.28 | niriven | mtn: Not removing, commenting out, some agp load stuff: |
| 08:48.31 | niriven | CONFIG_AGP=m |
| 08:48.31 | niriven | CONFIG_AGP_ALI=m |
| 08:48.31 | niriven | CONFIG_AGP_ATI=m |
| 08:48.31 | niriven | CONFIG_AGP_AMD=m |
| 08:48.31 | niriven | CONFIG_AGP_AMD64=m |
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| 08:48.45 | niriven | Whoops :-/ |
| 08:48.55 | Guerin | jarango: whatever. You got your choices, live with them. |
| 08:48.59 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, the idea is that it will skip the bad package and continue with the rest of them. The end product may or may not work depends. In this case he is installing a bunch of KDE stuff and it does not look like the bad package is anything important |
| 08:49.01 | Demandred | man... for a program that's currently performing a rather simple function (in this case), BIND takes up a lot of RAM. 30MBx2 |
| 08:49.11 | Linephreak | hey |
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| 08:49.14 | mtnman | nmiriven: editing that file will have no effect on a running kernel. it shows the config when it was compiled. |
| 08:49.27 | jarango | Guerin: thanks for nothing ... |
| 08:49.27 | jcook | Demandred: how much of that is shared? |
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| 08:49.41 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, no do what I told you to do |
| 08:49.46 | Demandred | not to mention two copies of lwresd at 30MB each... lightweight is a bit of a misnomer |
| 08:49.53 | Shortee | apt-get -f install... |
| 08:49.59 | Linephreak | hello everyone |
| 08:50.00 | scarynetworkguy | right just that |
| 08:50.02 | mtnman | niriven: editing that file will have no effect on a running kernel. it shows the config when it was compiled. |
| 08:50.05 | Demandred | jcook: 4.4MB I think |
| 08:50.09 | Guerin | jarango: you asks your questions, you gets your answers. If you find anything which says my answers aren't correct, let me know. Until then ... |
| 08:50.11 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, don't I have to pick whats its forcing? |
| 08:50.13 | Guerin | !cope |
| 08:50.13 | dpkg | cope is, like, what you should do when things break in Sid, when you don't like the (correct) answer you get, or when people flame you for being a muppet. ask me about <bobbitt> |
| 08:50.22 | niriven | mtnman: Ah, so its statically linked then? Anyway to fix that without a custom kernel compile? |
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| 08:50.46 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, do I sound like I'm guessing? Ask anybody in here what it sounds like when I'm guessing. I'm not guessing |
| 08:51.03 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, I heard it fixes, not forces |
| 08:51.10 | mtnman | niriven: find a kernel with it configured as a module, or one which does not support that option. |
| 08:51.21 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, either run the command or leave me alone |
| 08:51.26 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, alright, ran |
| 08:51.26 | niriven | mtnman: With debian apt? |
| 08:51.34 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, now what? |
| 08:51.46 | mtnman | niriven: perhaps, if you get lucky, you will find one. |
| 08:51.47 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, it's running right? |
| 08:51.58 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, it took 3 seconds |
| 08:52.09 | jarango | Guerin: I know for a fact that pentium-MMX works |
| 08:52.17 | scarynetworkguy | now try the apt-get install k3b again |
| 08:52.26 | sap | Guerin: I can login via the console just fine, I only have a problem using xdm, how odd? |
| 08:52.49 | niriven | mtnman :( |
| 08:52.55 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, check #flood for my errors |
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| 08:53.17 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, are you trying to run sid? |
| 08:53.19 | Guerin | jarango: ok, so wtf did you ask the question? And how does this change the fact that you need to test for optimal performance, which you won't be getting without a specicifally configured kernel? |
| 08:53.28 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, I'm just trying to install k3d :P |
| 08:53.30 | mtnman | niriven: in a debian mirror, each kernel's config file is listed along with the kernel. |
| 08:53.42 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, what branch of debian are you on? |
| 08:53.47 | Guerin | sap: yeah, nfi there. Check auth.log, praps. |
| 08:53.54 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, not sure. Morphix KDE... |
| 08:54.08 | Guerin | !nondeb morphix |
| 08:54.08 | dpkg | Go to channel #morphix for help with morphix. If morphix was Debian, it would be called Debian and not morphix. |
| 08:54.09 | scarynetworkguy | fuck now he says it. |
| 08:54.13 | niriven | mtnman: Thanks alot for the help :) The reason im asking is because nvidia driver wont work with nvagp if agpgart is loaded |
| 08:54.18 | mtnman | niriven: you never got so far as to tell me if the config showed the function compiled in, or listed as a module. |
| 08:54.19 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, maybe in #morphix |
| 08:54.24 | Linephreak | hello can anyone here help me fix my sound I have knoppix |
| 08:54.24 | Shortee | they're no help |
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| 08:54.32 | Guerin | we should have checked /whois |
| 08:54.32 | Demandred | OK... weird.. on the other PC, same version of bind, it's taking 2.7MBx5, 2MB of which is shared, which seems much more reasonable |
| 08:54.32 | Linephreak | 3.4 |
| 08:54.33 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, see why I'm bitter? :) |
| 08:54.40 | niriven | mtnman: How can i tell? |
| 08:54.46 | Guerin | Shortee: neither are we. You want help in here, install debian. |
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| 08:54.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You poor thing. :( |
| 08:54.54 | mtnman | niriven: look in the config file i told you about. |
| 08:55.00 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, the universe hates me |
| 08:55.02 | EvilSeed | hey i got a q |
| 08:55.03 | Guerin | Shortee: I predict your problems stem from the fact that morphix is not debian. |
| 08:55.07 | Shortee | Guerin, Its sort of Debian |
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| 08:55.17 | niriven | mtnman: Sorry, im an fbsd person :( |
| 08:55.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Awwww, I don't, and this girl you're seeing in a day or so don't. :) |
| 08:55.26 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, are you some kind of super genius android from the future? |
| 08:55.34 | EvilSeed | im in wine, and i need to use bash to get into the Program Files dir of wine. I got to fake_windows but it wont let me goto Program Files i type cd Program Files |
| 08:55.37 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: not to the best of my knowledge. |
| 08:55.38 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
| 08:55.40 | EvilSeed | is there soemthing i need to use instead of a space? |
| 08:55.51 | mtnman | niriven: no need to apologize for fbsd, but for not looking in the file i told you about :) |
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| 08:56.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) Getting happy? :) |
| 08:56.05 | Guerin | EvilSeed: cd Program\ Files |
| 08:56.08 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, cause I think only some kind of super genius could possibly have figured that out. :) |
| 08:56.10 | EvilSeed | ahh |
| 08:56.12 | niriven | mtnman: I am looking, not sure what to look for :) |
| 08:56.16 | Guerin | EvilSeed: you need to escape the space with a \ |
| 08:56.33 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: there are a shitload of geniuses in here, then |
| 08:56.38 | Phated | Guerin: Heh. |
| 08:56.39 | niriven | mtnman: I do not see agpgart or nvidia_agp in the config file |
| 08:56.45 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, :) |
| 08:56.50 | jarango | Guring: Its obvious you don't know shit about my question... |
| 08:56.50 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yea yea I am |
| 08:56.57 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Awesome. :) |
| 08:57.07 | mtnman | niriven: "=y" means compiled in. "=m" means as a module |
| 08:57.07 | jarango | Guring: next time if you don't know, don't answer |
| 08:57.21 | sap | Guerin: no, auth.log looks to be logging console stuff only - thanks anyway. |
| 08:57.27 | niriven | mtnman: In that case, everything in this file is a module |
| 08:57.29 | Guerin | jarango: next time you do know, don't ask. |
| 08:57.35 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, you might try a apt-get -u dist-upgrade but there is a real good chance that will slice and dice your sytem and I'll laugh at you if it does. |
| 08:57.42 | niriven | mtnman: all the agp stuff anyway |
| 08:57.47 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, that was a guess btw |
| 08:57.55 | Guerin | jarango: as it happens I said that anything other than 386 MIGHT not work - not that it wouldn't |
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| 08:58.17 | mtnman | niriven: modules are loaded if they are listed in /etc/modules. |
| 08:58.37 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, no thanks, I'm upgrading to Kanotix, once I get k3d... |
| 08:58.44 | jarango | Guring: I don't know... all I know is MMX works, just wanted to know if I could do better ... |
| 08:58.49 | niriven | mtnman: Alright, but, i only see two modules listed in there, and its not agp |
| 08:58.54 | scarynetworkguy | ok have fun |
| 08:59.12 | Guerin | jarango: suck it and see... and your tab key seems to need some fixing. |
| 08:59.15 | Linephreak | does anyone here know anything about knoppix? |
| 08:59.21 | mtnman | niriven: how many config files are in /boot? are you sure you are looking at the correct one? |
| 08:59.23 | Shortee | it seems to have something to do w/ kmerlin |
| 08:59.27 | Linephreak | if so can they please help me |
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| 08:59.37 | scarynetworkguy | Linephreak, nope but over in #knoppix they do |
| 08:59.37 | niriven | mtnman: Two, 2.4, and 2.6, i am looking at the 2.6 one |
| 08:59.53 | Crasp_ | window move 12 |
| 08:59.57 | sap | Guerin: it doesn't actually say my pasword is incorrect, the screen goes blank as if it was going to log me in, but then returns to the xdm login again instead of my desktop. |
| 08:59.58 | Crasp_ | hmm |
| 09:00.05 | mtnman | niriven: do uname -a to make sure that is the kernel which is running. |
| 09:00.08 | Linephreak | ok |
| 09:00.12 | Linephreak | thanks |
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| 09:00.38 | niriven | mtnman: im using the 2.6 one :) |
| 09:00.39 | scarynetworkguy | sap, that is a bad password of course it does not say your password is bad do you think it was coded my a monkey? |
| 09:00.55 | niriven | mtnman: Rather, yes, 2.6 is the one that is running |
| 09:01.11 | scarynetworkguy | sap, and/or username |
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| 09:01.19 | Guerin | sap: XFree logs say anything? |
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| 09:01.27 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
| 09:01.38 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
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| 09:02.02 | mtnman | niriven: well, i know nothing about the modules you mentioned. i have never used an nvidia card. |
| 09:02.07 | sap | scarynetworkguy: hmm, i'm was sure it did say something in red when something was invalid |
| 09:02.11 | colde89 | why does lsdev is not found as command on my woodydist. ?? |
| 09:02.23 | mtnman | niriven: i was attempting to show you how modules work in debian, as per your original question. |
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| 09:02.48 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, how do I save as in nano, not just save? |
| 09:02.58 | Guerin | !tell basse_ about away |
| 09:03.02 | niriven | mtnman: Thanks, its greatly apprciated, but im still lost as to how i can disable this modules |
| 09:03.13 | TLF | !tell TLF about away |
| 09:03.35 | Phated | TLF: Also try /msg dpkg away, which doesn't input to the channel. |
| 09:03.37 | mtnman | niriven: i would suggest a search of the mailing list archives (google searches them). i'm sure the question of nvidia cards has come up many times. |
| 09:03.47 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, what? |
| 09:04.01 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, I have a file open in nano, and want to save it AS |
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| 09:04.11 | peterS | Shortee: ctrl-o |
| 09:04.19 | peterS | Shortee: then change the name before hitting enter |
| 09:04.25 | Shortee | alright |
| 09:04.27 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, we don't allow nano in my house. |
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| 09:04.54 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *gasp* Oh well, I'v just switched to vi. |
| 09:04.57 | Phated | I've* |
| 09:05.05 | mechan0r | kernel panic: unable to mount device unknown-(0,0) |
| 09:05.10 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yea I heard that nano causes cancer. :) |
| 09:05.11 | mtnman | scarynetworkguy: so nano is a nono in your home ? |
| 09:05.16 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
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| 09:05.26 | scarynetworkguy | mtnman, that would be correct. :) you're up earl |
| 09:05.26 | niriven | mtnman: Thanks for your time :) |
| 09:05.32 | scarynetworkguy | early |
| 09:05.32 | mechan0r | is because I'm missing the ide driver? |
| 09:05.39 | mtnman | niriven: welcome and happy searching. |
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| 09:06.00 | los | :-) |
| 09:06.13 | mtnman | scarynetworkguy: woke up from a nap about an hour ago. |
| 09:06.18 | john_ | Is anyone else having trouble running OpenGL applications under the Xnest server ?? |
| 09:06.55 | scarynetworkguy | mtnman, I must be wrong about where I thought you were at |
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| 09:07.15 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, but I hear that about a lot of things |
| 09:07.15 | basse_ | Guerin: hmm.. well. You know your stuff I give you that, but debian community is so far the angriest I have met |
| 09:07.28 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye, me too. We all do. :) |
| 09:07.30 | basse_ | this is not the only channel I'm at. so that's why the away |
| 09:07.35 | mtnman | scarynetworkguy: well, if you went by my location as of our last conversation, you'd be mistaken since i'm not at home. |
| 09:07.47 | scarynetworkguy | mtnman, that would explain it. :) |
| 09:07.49 | Guerin | basse_: Still, public aways are a PITA for everyone. |
| 09:07.56 | peterS | basse_: we mostly get angry when people try and waste our time. I tuned in late. what did you do, ask a non-Debian question? or ask one easily answered by google or FAQs? |
| 09:08.09 | Guerin | basse_: I think you'll find all channels who average 700 users have similar policies |
| 09:08.09 | basse_ | not othre communities get angry of that |
| 09:08.20 | mtnman | scarynetworkguy: however, i'm only 1 time-zone away... |
| 09:08.32 | basse_ | but it's already. if you prefer parting and rejoining, I can do that |
| 09:08.32 | Guerin | peterS: public /away |
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| 09:08.45 | Guerin | basse_: future reference. |
| 09:08.54 | Phated | Guerin: Too late. |
| 09:09.00 | Guerin | ah, ffs |
| 09:09.04 | scarynetworkguy | mtnman, that would still make it early/late for a nap :) |
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| 09:09.10 | Guerin | people get pissed off about the smallest things |
| 09:09.12 | Phated | Guerin: Yeah. |
| 09:09.19 | kia | hi people |
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| 09:09.37 | cef | Guerin: yeah.. unfortunately it does put others off asking questions.. it's no fun |
| 09:09.38 | mtnman | scarynetworkguy: yes. |
| 09:09.40 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, Guerin angry us? surly not? |
| 09:09.52 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: No, not us, basse_. |
| 09:10.07 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I'm a happy go luck sort of guy |
| 09:10.11 | scarynetworkguy | lucky |
| 09:10.13 | mtnman | guerin: the size of a problem depends on point of view. |
| 09:10.20 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Either a strangely apropos typo, or a very good pun, by the way. ;) |
| 09:10.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: HAH! |
| 09:10.26 | Guerin | mtnman: very true. |
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| 09:10.38 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, typo |
| 09:10.52 | Guerin | I think the issue is one of expectations. People are used to paid techsupp being polite and friendly, and they expect volunteer support to be the same. |
| 09:10.54 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, how do I gzip a file? |
| 09:10.56 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Like I said. Strangely apropros. :) |
| 09:10.59 | mtnman | scarynetworkguy: freudian slip of the fingers? |
| 09:11.13 | Phated | Shortee: gzip file |
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| 09:11.18 | scarynetworkguy | mtnman, Phated I'm willing to buy into both of those thoughts. :) |
| 09:11.19 | Phated | Oddly enough. |
| 09:11.19 | holycow | Guerin, rofl |
| 09:11.22 | holycow | thats a hell of a point |
| 09:11.27 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 09:11.30 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, man gzip will tell you how |
| 09:11.31 | peterS | I think people also fail to realise that when we jump down their throats for little things like public /away, we do this as an investment in the future. because presumably we're making it clear that they should never do that again |
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| 09:11.52 | holycow | peterS, you are correct |
| 09:11.54 | Guerin | peterS: exactly. Stop those kind of behaviors before they become widespread. |
| 09:11.58 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, where is the file now? |
| 09:12.03 | Phated | So that we donn't jump down their throats repeatedly. Which would be boring and painful. |
| 09:12.08 | holycow | you are also establishing and enforcing an commonality of etiquette |
| 09:12.09 | Phated | don't* |
| 09:12.10 | dabreegster | Shortee: file.gz |
| 09:12.19 | holycow | making sure the communicatin pipes are clean of cruft |
| 09:12.21 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, what the hell are you talking about? |
| 09:12.21 | dabreegster | Shortee: just do a ls and see. |
| 09:12.32 | cef | peterS: yeah.. there is a lot of things like that people fail to see.. but it doesn't mean it's nice just because we can justify it |
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| 09:12.59 | scarynetworkguy | peterS, that and having dpkg tell him about aways is hardly "jumping down his throat" |
| 09:13.05 | Phated | holycow: I -love- that sentence. :) |
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| 09:13.18 | peterS | cef: I think for every public /away we have to LART, there are probably several potential ones where the person is lurking, sees the reaction, and says to himself "ah, I should turn that off in my client too" |
| 09:13.19 | Phated | "Commanality of etiquette." |
| 09:13.31 | holycow | :) danky |
| 09:13.32 | Phated | peterS: Correct. |
| 09:13.40 | Phated | holycow: Welcomey. |
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| 09:13.45 | niriven | mtnman: No luck, nothing came up on lists, google was very limited |
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| 09:14.03 | helix | people shouldn't get offended if we tell them not to use public /away |
| 09:14.13 | resolve | hi folks. in short: mozilla won't display japanese characters. if i install ttf-kochi-*, it does - but the default sans/sans-serif font changes from an attractive bitstream-vera to an uglier roman font that's part of the japanese font set |
| 09:14.18 | yo2lux | hi all. Im new to Debian linux, sorry for my stupid questions |
| 09:14.19 | helix | it's like the whiny brats on my LUG list unsubscribing because two people have a disagreement |
| 09:14.23 | cef | peterS: hey I'm not disagreeing here.. but perhaps we need to tune the edges of our instruments a little, so to speak, so that it's not as blunt as it sometimes comes across |
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| 09:14.28 | resolve | i'm wondering if it's possible to keep the japanese fonts available, but make bitstream vera a higher priority. any ideas? |
| 09:14.33 | holycow | lol helix |
| 09:14.40 | holycow | well the problem solves it self sometimes, no? |
| 09:14.43 | Phated | cef: So instead of being blunt, we should be sharp, eh? |
| 09:14.55 | scarynetworkguy | peterS, Phated On the last day of basic traing we asked our sargent why she yelled so much and her first reason was pretty much what you just said. So the rest of us would learn and self correct. :) |
| 09:14.56 | Guerin | helix: yeah. Being a part of any community of experts requires a certain backbone. |
| 09:15.00 | helix | I'm just not sure how much effort should be put into retaining people that take things so personally |
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| 09:15.13 | yo2lux | i want to re-compile the kernel, because i need IPSec options, im begginer. Im new to debian, i know to use only bsd systems |
| 09:15.26 | cef | Phated: well, a blunt instrument causes a lot of aggravated trauma outside what it set out to achieve.. so yes |
| 09:15.28 | Guerin | yo2lux: why do you NEED ipsec? |
| 09:15.37 | helix | I've seen newbies attacked and I don't condone it, but some of the reactions people give for minor corrections are irrational |
| 09:15.46 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye. :) |
| 09:15.51 | Phated | cef: Ahhh... |
| 09:15.52 | yo2lux | Guerin i have an openbsd gateway and need debian as ipsec client with isakmpd |
| 09:15.57 | mtnman | helix: some people will always find a reason to feel offended. |
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| 09:16.02 | helix | mtnman: yeah |
| 09:16.02 | holycow | helix, i think there is a real difference between 'attack' and being forthright |
| 09:16.05 | Guerin | yo2lux: ok, so it needs ipsec to connect to your gateway? |
| 09:16.10 | holycow | no bullshit is just no bullshit |
| 09:16.23 | yo2lux | Guerin, no but need protection for my wireless network |
| 09:16.26 | Guerin | !tell yo2lux about kp |
| 09:16.35 | holycow | some people expect a whole ton of flowery shit on every statement |
| 09:16.39 | helix | holycow: yeah, that's what I said |
| 09:16.41 | helix | more or less |
| 09:16.50 | mtnman | becoming offended is an inefficient reaction. |
| 09:16.52 | holycow | ehe sorry :) right |
| 09:16.55 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I learned a lot from that story |
| 09:17.02 | Guerin | yo2lux: you need to read a bit of background on compiling the linux kernel before you start - there's bound to be a good ipsec/debian howto out there |
| 09:17.08 | yo2lux | im new to debian, i know to use unix commands and others but kernel re-compile is always hard without documentation |
| 09:17.08 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Good for you. :) |
| 09:17.14 | holycow | <-- cap'n obvious |
| 09:17.15 | holycow | :) |
| 09:17.19 | helix | !n00b |
| 09:17.19 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 09:17.22 | yo2lux | Guerin i have an old redhat 4.2 guide, is good ? |
| 09:17.26 | Phated | yo2lux: There -is- documentation. |
| 09:17.34 | helix | heh. |
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| 09:17.44 | Guerin | yo2lux: no idea. MMany of the same principles might apply, but I wouldn't bank on it. |
| 09:17.45 | Zomb | yo2lux: why do you need to recompile? |
| 09:17.50 | cef | helix: as someone who has run an online chat system and a lot of IRC channels.. I certainly agree with you.. some people take shit way too personally.. but that doesn't mean we shouldn't look at what we do, and correct our own behaviour.... |
| 09:17.51 | helix | yo2lux: probably not, you'd find more updated stuff on google.. |
| 09:17.57 | Guerin | Zomb: he needs to connect to an obds gateway |
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| 09:18.15 | helix | cef: I'm not disagreeing with you, but in many cases it's simply a matter of people just being big crybabies |
| 09:18.19 | Zomb | obds? |
| 09:18.27 | yo2lux | Guerin ok ;) thanks. I have a last question |
| 09:18.28 | Guerin | Zomb: obsd |
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| 09:18.47 | Zomb | Guerin: and why recompile the kernel?! |
| 09:18.48 | marco_ | salve |
| 09:18.48 | Zetabyt1 | no one's being terribly helpful in #dns =( |
| 09:18.49 | mechan0r | is there anyway to make a laptop boot off a usb-cdrom drive? |
| 09:18.50 | yo2lux | Guerin for kernel re-compile need a kernel from www.kernel.org or debian include a kernel on cd ? |
| 09:18.50 | cef | helix: hehe true.. it's just a matter of identifying the cry-babies from the people that really have been offended somehow |
| 09:19.03 | Guerin | Zomb: needs ipsec. Go read the backscroll |
| 09:19.05 | Demandred | the only difference I can find is that one's kernel 2.6.6 compiled by me, the other's debian stock 2.4.25 |
| 09:19.09 | noclue | how can i compile the kernel for NAT? (2.4.26-1-586tsc) |
| 09:19.10 | Phated | yo2lux: You want the kernel sources. |
| 09:19.11 | Zomb | Guerin: cannot, but okay |
| 09:19.26 | helix | cef: lots of newbies with a clue come in here and don't get strung up by their diapers. |
| 09:19.30 | Zetabyt1 | i just broke my bind9 server, it was working perfectly and i rebooted, i didn't change any config files for it, i just modified hosts and domain name-stuff. any ideas? |
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| 09:19.46 | Zomb | noclue: you have all the modules you need in a stock debian kernel |
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| 09:19.48 | Guerin | yo2lux: your choice. If you don't know what you're doing, I'd suggest using a debian kernel and only changing what you need to. |
| 09:19.58 | mtnman | noclue: that kernel has support for ipmasq iirc. |
| 09:19.58 | peterS | Zetabyt1: read /var/log/syslog for clues |
| 09:20.01 | Zomb | noclue: apt-get install ipmasq |
| 09:20.06 | yo2lux | Guerin ok ! Thank you very much |
| 09:20.07 | Guerin | Zomb: modules are bad for ipsec, for some reason. |
| 09:20.14 | Zetabyt1 | ooh *smack head* good start |
| 09:20.20 | holycow | heh |
| 09:20.26 | cef | helix: yeah.. creates a lot of noise.. and makes it harder to see the people who really have been trodden on somehow |
| 09:20.30 | holycow | suprnova.org has linkage to ibm os2 2.1 |
| 09:20.32 | hume | i have problems playing dvds, okle complains about /dev/dvd not exists. However, i can browse the disc through /media/cdrom1, but it doesnt help setting this as path in okle |
| 09:20.34 | holycow | :) theres an oldie |
| 09:20.48 | Zomb | hume: create a symlink, dvd -> cdrom there |
| 09:20.59 | helix | cef: well, some of the regulars just need to walk away when they feel beat down by newbie cluelessness. |
| 09:21.00 | Zomb | hume: or use xine, there you can configure the device path |
| 09:21.07 | cef | helix: gotta admit though, sometimes the channel does suffer a case of the mwilson's |
| 09:21.22 | helix | cef: sometimes, but I think it's gotten better |
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| 09:21.44 | cef | helix: lately it's gotten better yeah.. a fair bit so |
| 09:21.45 | noclue | mtnman, Zomb i already installed ipmasq, but forwarding doesnt work for dns. so from the LAN client box i can ping ip;s, but no hostnames. how could i fix this problem? |
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| 09:22.02 | mtnman | noclue: fix dns in the clients. |
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| 09:22.21 | Zetabyt1 | ok, looked in the log, not seeing any errors |
| 09:22.22 | mtnman | noclue: s/clients/client |
| 09:22.24 | Guerin | noclue: you did put those nameservers in your resolv.conf, right? |
| 09:22.24 | Zomb | noclue: you need to enable forwarding! google: ip forward sysctl |
| 09:22.33 | mtnman | noclue: s/clients/client\ machine |
| 09:22.58 | Zomb | hm, but I though, current ipmasq will enable it for you... |
| 09:22.59 | noclue | mtnman, i tried, its a winbox, configured the 2 dns servers like on the debian nat in resolv.conf |
| 09:23.09 | Zetabyt1 | when i run dig i get no response from server, even when i run it ON the server |
| 09:23.14 | Guerin | Zomb: yeah, it should. I think his client config is what's fucked. |
| 09:23.19 | Zomb | Guerin: ack |
| 09:23.21 | cef | helix: btw: never really asked you about that lug you're president of.. how many members? |
| 09:23.28 | mtnman | noclue: what nameservers are the winboxes pointed at?' |
| 09:23.32 | x|e | What do I need to enable to get temperature sensors to work? |
| 09:23.42 | helix | cef: dunno, I think it's just one really big stupid member anymore. they all blend together now. |
| 09:23.50 | Guerin | !lmsensors |
| 09:23.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lmsensors is at http://www.lm-sensors.nu, or http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/ |
| 09:23.58 | Guerin | x|e: ^^ |
| 09:24.02 | x|e | ya thnx |
| 09:24.04 | Guerin | helix: haha |
| 09:24.15 | mtnman | helix: geographic location of the lug? |
| 09:24.18 | Guerin | helix: how big a city is Jacksonville? |
| 09:24.26 | mtnman | nm |
| 09:24.34 | peterS | mtnman: presumably in close proximity to geographic location of helix |
| 09:24.35 | noclue | mtnman, nameserver 212.142.28.67 nameserver 62.108.1.68 |
| 09:24.39 | cef | helix: becoming rather blaise about being president eh? looking for bigger fields to conquer? |
| 09:24.46 | helix | mtnman: north florida |
| 09:24.54 | mtnman | helix: ah. |
| 09:25.06 | helix | cef: they're a bunch of sysadmins. it's hard to lead a group whose interests are so opposite of your own. |
| 09:25.08 | noclue | and btw, when i can ping the ip of google, ping my dns server,....i thing ipmasq is doing work ok right? |
| 09:25.14 | noclue | *think |
| 09:25.21 | cef | helix: bit like hearding cats eh? |
| 09:25.21 | helix | Guerin: fairly large, I guess. > 1million |
| 09:25.32 | helix | cef: more like dealing with kindergarteners |
| 09:25.39 | Guerin | noclue: yes. But it should be able to do dns as well, I don't get that. |
| 09:25.46 | Guerin | helix: herding cats |
| 09:25.48 | mtnman | noclue: ipmasq is probably working. dns on your client machines seems not to be. |
| 09:25.49 | holycow | helix, i'm curious by your statement, how do your views diverge from a group of sysadmins? |
| 09:25.57 | helix | Guerin: no, they listen to what I say. |
| 09:26.00 | cef | helix: hey if you want to move on.. perhaps you should consider running for the DPL? hehe "Vote #1 helix for DPL!" |
| 09:26.21 | helix | holycow: they're interested in business, I'm interested in F/OSS communities/development |
| 09:26.29 | helix | cef: heh |
| 09:26.30 | noclue | someone told me that ipmasq, forwards all kind of data |
| 09:26.37 | holycow | ahhhhh. k. *nod* i grok |
| 09:26.52 | Guerin | noclue: it should |
| 09:26.56 | scarynetworkguy | noclue, did you ever get rid of firestarter? |
| 09:26.58 | mtnman | noclue: ipmasq forwards packets. you still need to have valid nameservers configured. |
| 09:27.16 | holycow | what do people do at a lug anyway? |
| 09:27.21 | holycow | i've never been |
| 09:27.30 | holycow | same as here, argue? |
| 09:27.31 | holycow | :D |
| 09:27.31 | noclue | scarynetworkguy, i removed firestarter and also shorewall, only running ipmasq atm |
| 09:27.38 | helix | holycow: seems like there is mostly a meeting and someone gives a presentation about something |
| 09:27.39 | mtnman | holycow: at the balug meetings they drink beer and eat chinese food. |
| 09:27.51 | helix | and then yeah, beer and food afterwards |
| 09:27.51 | thomas_adam | helix: 5 hours! |
| 09:27.52 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 09:27.56 | helix | thomas_adam: congrats! |
| 09:27.56 | holycow | sounds like a good excuse |
| 09:27.57 | Guerin | !win thomas_adam |
| 09:27.58 | dpkg | Congratulations, thomas_adam! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 09:27.59 | dabreegster | holycow: not really. at the lug near me, they demonstrate programs and just have little chats. |
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| 09:28.03 | thomas_adam | yay! \o/ |
| 09:28.06 | Guerin | thomas_adam: that's almost a whole night! |
| 09:28.11 | noclue | is it possible, that i need on the winbox other dns server adresses than the debian box? |
| 09:28.14 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Yup. :) |
| 09:28.20 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, good for you man |
| 09:28.27 | thomas_adam | Thanks. :) |
| 09:28.27 | peterS | thomas_adam: |
| 09:28.29 | Guerin | noclue: no |
| 09:28.33 | thomas_adam | peterS: |
| 09:28.36 | holycow | dabreegster *nod* |
| 09:29.02 | cef | helix: at the lug I'm invovled with, we tend to do the same.. some sort of presentation, and then off for food/chat |
| 09:29.10 | helix | cef: yeah |
| 09:29.10 | Guerin | noclue: any valid nameservers should work fine, I can't see why they're not getting through, unless you have an iptables rule specifically blocking ns traffic |
| 09:29.24 | cef | helix: currently running for president.. wether this is a wise idea.. we'll see *grin* |
| 09:29.37 | noclue | i heard about dns problems on windows 98, i have to remove a folder called 'winsock' but i have no clue where this folder is stored |
| 09:29.48 | helix | cef: the .au lugs appear to be much better |
| 09:29.58 | Guerin | noclue: use the windows find function |
| 09:30.01 | scarynetworkguy | noclue, given what I say before I think you should just setu up a caching resolver on the Debian box point the windows boxen at that and be done with it |
| 09:30.07 | cef | helix: somewhat.. they can still be damn apathetic about things... |
| 09:30.07 | helix | cef: well, lugs where there is a large concentration of F/OSS people tend to be better in general anyway.. (i.e. the bay area in the US) |
| 09:30.09 | scarynetworkguy | saw |
| 09:30.11 | noclue | Guerin, do u want an output of ipmasq --verbose? |
| 09:30.11 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: that's a good idea. |
| 09:30.14 | dabreegster | noclue: if I were you, I wouldnt talk about windows problems here. just some advice. |
| 09:30.18 | helix | cef: volunteer organizations are _all_ like that. |
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| 09:30.25 | mtnman | noclue: does your win98 box get its address via dhcp? |
| 09:30.28 | Guerin | noclue: yeah, try me. |
| 09:30.29 | jcook | i dont know where to file my bug |
| 09:30.33 | helix | cef: you have the masses that won't to spew their opinion and never do anything. |
| 09:30.39 | helix | s/won't/want/ |
| 09:30.47 | noclue | mtnman, no, i had to set it static |
| 09:30.52 | cef | helix: indeed they are.. trying to get people to vote is mad.. we've got over 1000 members, and yet less than 1% have voted.. *sigh* |
| 09:30.57 | noclue | Guerin, #flood? |
| 09:30.59 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, yes it was odd when he was here before. His debian box was sending the DNS packets out just fine but it was not passing them back to his inside interface. thanks |
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| 09:31.04 | helix | yeah, typical |
| 09:31.15 | Guerin | noclue: yeah, wait until the other guy is done first |
| 09:31.19 | cef | helix: that sounds like #debian and debian in general.. *grin* |
| 09:31.37 | mtnman | noclue: do the nameservers on the winbox match the ones in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 09:31.48 | helix | cef: I've learned to listen to the opinion of those that won't contribute and silently discard them when they oppose my own. |
| 09:31.53 | noclue | scarynetworkguy, what do u mean with setting up a caching resolver? |
| 09:31.59 | noclue | mtnman, yes |
| 09:32.26 | mtnman | noclue: do you have any other clients on the lan? |
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| 09:32.31 | cef | helix: heheh.. ruling with an iron fist eh? "helix, the conqueror!" |
| 09:32.51 | noclue | mtnman, no. shall i try run a live cd on the client? |
| 09:32.53 | holycow | lol |
| 09:32.58 | holycow | helix your the pres of the lug? |
| 09:33.06 | scarynetworkguy | noclue basically, and this is high level and leaving out a a lot of details, it is setting up a small DNS server on your Debian box that you then use to serve your winders boxen with. google on it |
| 09:33.10 | mtnman | noclue: if you have knoppix (or similar) i think it would be a good idea. |
| 09:33.11 | helix | cef: well, if given a choice between doing what I want and doing what someone else wants, if the other person won't contribute, I'll do what I want |
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| 09:33.24 | helix | it's pretty simple (and negotiable if they wish to contribute) |
| 09:33.31 | helix | holycow: yeah |
| 09:33.34 | noclue | ill try that |
| 09:33.40 | holycow | hey cool |
| 09:33.47 | cef | helix: always a good move.. if they are motivated enough, they'll either complain loudly, or contribute |
| 09:33.51 | noclue | scarynetworkguy, i tried to install a dhcpd, but i had no clue how to config it |
| 09:34.02 | helix | cef: yes. and I will ignore them if they only complain. |
| 09:34.04 | mtnman | cef: normally the former. |
| 09:34.11 | scarynetworkguy | noclue, you will need to read about it. |
| 09:34.21 | scarynetworkguy | did anybody tell thomas_adam that he is in a band now? |
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| 09:34.28 | thomas_adam | Eh? |
| 09:34.37 | helix | cef: but it's not like I'm the only one; with most groups like this, there is a core group of people that Get Stuff Done |
| 09:34.39 | Guerin | thomas_adam: scarynetworkguy's imaginary band |
| 09:34.40 | thomas_adam | I'm already in a quintet. |
| 09:34.45 | thomas_adam | hahahaha. |
| 09:34.49 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, yea you get to be the frontman for my band. :) |
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| 09:35.05 | thomas_adam | Wooooo. ;) |
| 09:35.05 | helix | so consensus is usually achieved, but many times we don't go to the entire group with it, since they'll only argue |
| 09:35.05 | cef | mtnman: yeah. I just tell them "well then, perhaps you can come up with something better?" and either they shut up.. or they put the money where their mouth is |
| 09:35.05 | helix | and they seem to be happy with our decisions |
| 09:35.08 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, L) |
| 09:35.11 | holycow | :) |
| 09:35.19 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Who's who? |
| 09:35.19 | holycow | how many people here play while on irc? :) |
| 09:35.38 | cef | helix: yeah.. the issue is when these people vanish from view, mainly because they're burnt out.. sometimes they're hard to replace |
| 09:35.42 | mtnman | holycow: does playing an mp3 stream count? |
| 09:35.46 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, you get to front. Phated on bass. Guerin on lead guitar and me on drums |
| 09:35.53 | Guerin | holycow: my fingers hurt. Strings are hard :( |
| 09:35.56 | helix | cef: it's good to pick people that don't just vanish :) |
| 09:35.57 | holycow | lemme rephrase, play guitar while ircing :) |
| 09:35.58 | holycow | ehe |
| 09:36.17 | peterS | Guerin: much better to play it for fun, or for money |
| 09:36.25 | Guerin | peterS: that is true |
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| 09:36.33 | mtnman | holycow: playing guitar while on irc would be a lot more reasonable with a couple of extra arms. |
| 09:36.34 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, is there a way to revert to original installation? |
| 09:36.38 | cef | helix: yup.. picking people is alway better than letting them volunteer.. they tend to do the job rather than slacking off |
| 09:36.53 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: hahaha. Excellent! |
| 09:37.00 | holycow | :D |
| 09:37.10 | peterS | cef: if you provide some sort of incentive. otherwise, how can you get anything *but* volunteers? |
| 09:37.14 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, very good. Glad you like it |
| 09:37.22 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, I got no idea I use Debian |
| 09:37.28 | mtnman | guerin: there are songs with only two chords. |
| 09:37.34 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, Morphix uses Debian |
| 09:37.37 | holycow | Guerin, if you know how to tune, your in a good place :) |
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| 09:37.38 | holycow | ehe |
| 09:37.43 | thomas_adam | mtnman: Yes, but we're not called Status Quo. |
| 09:37.44 | peterS | Guerin: two guitars? /me is jealous |
| 09:37.46 | cef | peterS: true.. depends though.. sometimes people will do stuff because it genuinely interests them |
| 09:37.59 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee, no it is not Debian |
| 09:38.01 | peterS | cef: in which case ... they are by definition volunteers |
| 09:38.03 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, it was quite a surprise, I got them one day apart |
| 09:38.14 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy, the commands are the same |
| 09:38.30 | Guerin | holycow: I can't do it by ear, but I can pretty much do it once low E is tuned properly |
| 09:38.35 | cef | peterS: not always.. sometimes you have to give them a kick up the rear so that they realise the fact *grin* |
| 09:38.35 | helix | Shortee: why do they have different names then? |
| 09:38.44 | holycow | *nod* same here |
| 09:38.46 | Shortee | helix, most of the commands are the same though |
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| 09:38.56 | Guerin | Shortee: we've already explained this to you |
| 09:38.59 | peterS | cef: I mean, if you don't have incentives, then how can you force people to do stuff? |
| 09:39.02 | helix | oh ok |
| 09:39.10 | Guerin | Shortee: we help debian users. #morphix helps morphix users. |
| 09:39.22 | Shortee | i'm in there |
| 09:39.27 | mtnman | peterS: if you don't have a carrot, use the stick. |
| 09:39.28 | Shortee | but they're not helping |
| 09:39.29 | peterS | cef: if they listen to you and do what you say, it's because they have *already* volunteered to do so |
| 09:39.30 | Guerin | Shortee: we will help you, but you have to install debian first. |
| 09:39.40 | Shortee | I'm installing Kanotix |
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| 09:39.47 | Guerin | !be kanotix barbie |
| 09:39.47 | dpkg | A live CD based on SID/Experimental? Fuck me HARDer! Bring on the n00bs! |
| 09:40.00 | helix | that's insane |
| 09:40.06 | helix | it's based on sid and experimental? |
| 09:40.07 | peterS | barbie said that? |
| 09:40.17 | Guerin | helix: it was, I dunno about any longer |
| 09:40.18 | Shortee | !be kanotix |
| 09:40.22 | Shortee | !kanotix |
| 09:40.22 | dpkg | KANOTIX is a Linux Live CD based on Knoppix technology using Debian/sid. The included XFree86 is from Debian/experimental. The main specs are: GRUB based startup from CD, ACPI support, DMA default on, additional support for DSL modems (Fritz!Card DSL and Eagle USB), optimal for HD install (you get a working Debian/sid install in about 10 minutes!), no SMP kernel (needed for some drivers), kernel with XFS, forcedeth (for nForce NI |
| 09:40.22 | scarynetworkguy | peterS, it would appear that she did |
| 09:40.32 | helix | that's absolutely braindead |
| 09:40.35 | noclue | Guerin, ready for the copy paste? |
| 09:40.36 | helix | what a great way to break shit |
| 09:40.36 | dabreegster | Shortee: I dont think we're a kanotix chat room either. Try asking differently in morphix. Be sure and say you've read the manual, even if you haven't. |
| 09:40.39 | Zetabyte | guys - my dns problem persists, i don't understand as my bind WAS working just fine and i didn't really change anything. no errors in syslog, and i can query localhost and 127.0.0.1 but nothing else works, wether stuff it should be catching or stuff it should be authoritative for. |
| 09:40.43 | Guerin | noclue: in #flood |
| 09:40.51 | noclue | k |
| 09:40.52 | cef | that'll be 4.3 before it went into sid.. so that factoid would be out of date now |
| 09:40.57 | Guerin | !lart dabreegster |
| 09:40.58 | helix | dabreegster: people can tell when someone lies to them |
| 09:40.59 | holycow | thats an excellent description of kanotix |
| 09:41.02 | holycow | nice to see :) |
| 09:41.10 | jcook | what's the normal S number for hotplug in /etc/rcS.d? ... (i rm'ed it and cant remember what it was) |
| 09:41.25 | Shortee | Guerin, debian is too big :( |
| 09:41.25 | dabreegster | helix: I know. It was meant in a bit of a sarcastic way. |
| 09:41.31 | Guerin | Shortee: bullshit |
| 09:41.32 | jcook | ping |
| 09:41.37 | Shortee | Guerin, its like 6 CDs? |
| 09:41.40 | scarynetworkguy | pong |
| 09:41.51 | helix | Shortee: you don't need all those cd's |
| 09:41.51 | jcook | :-) |
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| 09:41.59 | Guerin | Shortee: you don't need all of them. I have a debian box running here which is under 300MB, total. |
| 09:42.05 | scarynetworkguy | super cow powers |
| 09:42.37 | holycow | Guerin, yes but admit its headless :) |
| 09:42.45 | Guerin | holycow: it is :) |
| 09:43.03 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, ? |
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| 09:43.05 | holycow | the goddamn gnome desktop environment is like 500 megs alone :) |
| 09:43.05 | holycow | ehe |
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| 09:43.17 | Shortee | Guerin, do you pick normal, vanilla, or compact? |
| 09:43.29 | peterS | Shortee: pick bf24 |
| 09:43.37 | dabreegster | Gotta go. Good nig-- er, morning. Bye. |
| 09:43.39 | Shortee | whats that one? |
| 09:43.45 | Guerin | Shortee: bf24, or use the sarge installer |
| 09:43.45 | peterS | Shortee: it should be on your list |
| 09:43.51 | helix | peterS: why not sarge? |
| 09:44.00 | Guerin | Shortee: a full system with X windows and lots of chrome can be had for ~1G |
| 09:44.06 | noclue | Guerin, check #flood :) |
| 09:44.12 | peterS | helix: he seemed to be asking about woody. sarge doesn't have those same flavors, I believe |
| 09:44.15 | Shortee | whats the sarge installer? |
| 09:44.26 | Guerin | !d-i |
| 09:44.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 09:44.28 | helix | peterS: right, but presumably he wants a better installer |
| 09:44.37 | helix | if he prefers morphix and kanotix to debian |
| 09:44.45 | Shortee | i hated morphix |
| 09:44.58 | peterS | helix: feel free to recommend d-i, then. nothing wrong with it, except for a few arches nobody cares about (: |
| 09:45.14 | helix | peterS: right, I just figured you had a reason for suggesting bf24 |
| 09:45.18 | holycow | nobody cares about d-i? |
| 09:45.20 | holycow | mondieu! |
| 09:45.40 | Guerin | noclue: that looks reasonable to me |
| 09:45.45 | jcook | holycow: no ... no body cares about mips or something ( i think he means) |
| 09:45.46 | holycow | thats so not true dude :) d-i is the greatest thing since sliced croissants! |
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| 09:45.52 | Guerin | noclue: what re your ns records on the client box? |
| 09:45.57 | holycow | hehehe ;) |
| 09:46.00 | holycow | *nod* |
| 09:46.08 | peterS | helix: my reason is that it gets the same job done as the alternatives he named, but is superior in most situations |
| 09:46.16 | noclue | Guerin, ns records? |
| 09:46.16 | cef | mips = a pain for almost any installer... as the hardware is soooo different in each case |
| 09:46.21 | helix | peterS: well, I suppose that mind depend on his hardware. |
| 09:46.25 | helix | s/mind/might/ |
| 09:46.27 | Guerin | noclue: the dns servers you're trying to get ns from |
| 09:46.32 | helix | (wtf kind of braino..?) |
| 09:46.48 | noclue | ok hold on |
| 09:46.50 | peterS | helix: very little hardware is supported better by the 2.2 kernels than by bf24, I think |
| 09:46.57 | Shortee | #flood, help :) |
| 09:47.20 | peterS | helix: if you know of some, I'd be curious to hear it. I haven't heard of much, if any |
| 09:47.20 | helix | peterS: well, I wasn't talking about 2.2 kernels |
| 09:47.37 | noclue | Guerin, its nameserver 212.142.28.67 nameserver 62.108.1.68, but i have to fill in a hostname and domainname too there :S |
| 09:47.41 | helix | peterS: I was talking about d-i being better because of (maybe the kernel) detecting devices etc. |
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| 09:47.59 | helix | peterS: but I have no idea what hardware he uses - maybe bf24 will be fine |
| 09:48.12 | niriven | I know ive been here before asking this very same question, but im having an extremely hard time disabling a module that loads at bootime, can anyone help? |
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| 09:48.31 | peterS | helix: you asked why I recommended bf24. I said because it was better in most cases than the alternatives he was considering, which all use 2.2 kernels. you said it depended on hardware. that's why I thought you might know of some hardware the 2.2 kernels do support better |
| 09:48.36 | thomas_adam | niriven: remove it from /etc/modules |
| 09:48.48 | mtnman | niriven: you may have better luck directly asking for help configuring your nvidia card. |
| 09:48.54 | Guerin | Shortee: don't run x apps as root |
| 09:48.55 | helix | peterS: oh, I didn't know you meant *those* alternatives - I meant why did you recommend it over d-i (which he didn't know about) |
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| 09:49.17 | peterS | helix: I didn't recommend it over d-i. I figured he was looking to install woody, since he named several flavors of woody install floppies |
| 09:49.17 | Shortee | alright |
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| 09:49.23 | niriven | thomas: Its not in /etc/modules |
| 09:49.35 | Guerin | noclue: I see nothing wrong with your ipmasq |
| 09:49.43 | helix | peterS: well, sometimes it's best to assume that people that should be using d-i don't know about it.. :) |
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| 09:49.47 | thomas_adam | niriven: Can you be more specific as to this module? |
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| 09:49.54 | Guerin | noclue: again, I think it's a client config issue ... but I don't know how to config a windows client |
| 09:49.57 | niriven | mtnman: This isnt really a video card problem, i just wish to use nvagp instead, and i cant have agpgart loaded |
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| 09:50.02 | jcook | could someone who has pcmcia and hotplug installed ... ls -1 /etc/rcS.d/ | grep '\(plug\|pcmcia\)' |
| 09:50.06 | niriven | thomas_adam: agpgart |
| 09:50.20 | noclue | Guerin, ill try it out, but you think that the NAT is configured ok? |
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| 09:50.29 | Guerin | noclue: it looks fine. |
| 09:50.38 | thomas_adam | niriven: That's probably being loaded by something static in the kernel. Pass a boottime param to the kernel. |
| 09:50.43 | cheecheeo | does samba-common=3.0.5-1 replace smbclient and smbfs as well as samba? |
| 09:50.54 | Guerin | noclue: I might be missing something (I'm no expert) but nothing jumps out as obviously wrong. |
| 09:51.01 | peterS | helix: right.. that's a good point.. we often don't know wether someone knows that woody is no longer the only reasonably stable one.. |
| 09:51.03 | niriven | thomas_adam: May i ask how? |
| 09:51.18 | thomas_adam | niriven: Read the bootparameter HOWTO. |
| 09:51.24 | niriven | Alright, thanks |
| 09:51.26 | thomas_adam | niriven: www.tldp.org |
| 09:51.26 | helix | peterS: very funny ;)) |
| 09:51.48 | Shortee | Guerin, someone told me k3d was a CD burner... |
| 09:51.55 | Guerin | Shortee: it is. |
| 09:51.55 | noclue | Guerin, i just booted knoppix on the windows client box, but i have no clue where to setup my eth0...do u know? |
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| 09:52.06 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Someone told me Mars is really populated. |
| 09:52.06 | Shortee | Guerin, it seems to be a 3d modeler |
| 09:52.10 | mtnman | cheecheeo: if you look at the "depends" for smbclient and smbfs, you will probably find that they both depend on samba-common |
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| 09:52.17 | Guerin | Shortee: ah. k3b |
| 09:52.23 | Guerin | k3b is a burner |
| 09:52.30 | Shortee | damn :P |
| 09:52.37 | Guerin | I thought that was a typo, since you were talkign about k3b earlier |
| 09:52.43 | niriven | thomas_adam: Im not using lilo though :( |
| 09:52.49 | thomas_adam | niriven: So? |
| 09:52.56 | streuner | noclue: read /topic and /msg dpkg ig |
| 09:52.59 | mtnman | noclue: man ifconfig or use the knoppix menu. |
| 09:53.14 | cheecheeo | mtnman: because I'm apt-get -f installing and it's going to remove samba and smbfs and upgrade samba-common and smbclient, wont I be left without smbfs then? |
| 09:53.22 | Guerin | noclue: I don't know how your network is set up, but I'd bring eth0 up statically, and point it to your gateway |
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| 09:53.26 | thomas_adam | niriven: Just append the params to /boot/grub/menu.lst without the append# bit to the line with your kernel, delimited entries with a space. |
| 09:53.45 | mtnman | cheecheeo: you're asking the wrong guy, i haven't run samba since i retired my win95 box. |
| 09:53.53 | cheecheeo | mtnman: okay |
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| 09:54.05 | thomas_adam | cheecheeo: No, that should be OK. |
| 09:54.25 | cheecheeo | thomas_adam: alright, I'll give it a shot |
| 09:55.13 | thomas_adam | That's the spirit. ;) |
| 09:55.30 | Shortee | Guerin, how big is the download of Debian? |
| 09:55.41 | thomas_adam | Shortee: For what? |
| 09:55.46 | Guerin | Shortee: as big or as small as you want it to be. |
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| 09:55.49 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Base is ~200 MB. |
| 09:55.50 | Shortee | thomas_adam, Debian :) |
| 09:55.51 | mtnman | shortee: depends what you want to install. |
| 09:55.59 | thomas_adam | Shortee: How long is a piece of string? |
| 09:56.02 | Shortee | What are the versions... |
| 09:56.08 | Shortee | and whats different about em |
| 09:56.10 | thomas_adam | Shortee: www.debian.org <-- read. |
| 09:56.13 | Guerin | Shortee: I have a couple boxen ~300MB, one ~2G and another ~1.2G |
| 09:56.35 | thomas_adam | Shortee: please don't demonstrate you're lazy. |
| 09:56.49 | thomas_adam | Ah, Sunday. :) |
| 09:56.50 | Shortee | lol |
| 09:56.53 | Shortee | I am lazy :P |
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| 09:57.00 | thomas_adam | I can tell. lol |
| 09:57.08 | Guerin | Shortee: versions are not what controls size. The amount of shit you want controls that. As I said, you can realistically get a decent deslktop box in around ~1G, installed - about half that download |
| 09:57.11 | mtnman | shortee: admitting laziness is a poor way to solicit help on this channel. |
| 09:57.20 | noclue | PROBLEM SOLVED AFTER 2 DAYS: DNS WORKS ON CLIENT PC WITH KNOPPIX RUNNING: THX TO ALL |
| 09:57.28 | thomas_adam | noclue: -caps. |
| 09:57.44 | mtnman | noclue: moral of the story, dump win98. |
| 09:57.49 | Guerin | noclue: so what are you gonna do? Run knoppix permanently on that box? |
| 09:57.56 | noclue | heh |
| 09:58.00 | Guerin | mtnman: damn straight |
| 09:58.04 | helix | Guerin: oooh, you helped a knoppix user! |
| 09:58.07 | helix | !laugh at Guerin |
| 09:58.08 | noclue | run any linux distro on it |
| 09:58.08 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! Guerin just cracks me up! |
| 09:58.23 | Guerin | helix: no, mtnman told him to use knoppix to test whether windows was the problem |
| 09:58.24 | mtnman | helix: actually he helped a win98 user. |
| 09:58.25 | noclue | helix, im no knoppix user heh |
| 09:58.28 | helix | oh my |
| 09:58.33 | thomas_adam | noclue: Yes, but if it isn't Debian.... |
| 09:58.55 | peterS | thomas_adam: ...it's crap? |
| 09:59.04 | thomas_adam | peterS: Indeed. :) |
| 09:59.10 | cef | thomas_adam: Shortee: the sarge netinst iso's are less than 130 meg.. but installed size is about 200ish |
| 09:59.12 | thomas_adam | helix: :'( |
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| 09:59.20 | helix | "distro war? what do you mean? debian is the only distro." |
| 09:59.21 | mike_25 | Does the Debian net install cd have SMC 8040TX pcmcia drivers? SMC should be included probably right? |
| 09:59.27 | lgd_ | hi... can i ask for C ? |
| 09:59.32 | thomas_adam | cef: That's why I said ~200 MB (base). |
| 09:59.35 | noclue | i kno that windoze sux dick, but the client isnt my pc....and the owner of it doesnt even kno what dns is...so... |
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| 09:59.38 | helix | lgd_: C |
| 09:59.38 | peterS | helix: you sound like someone I know who has an ostrich thing going on |
| 09:59.41 | thomas_adam | mike_25: #debian-boot |
| 09:59.46 | mtnman | helix: that would make a distro war a civil war. |
| 09:59.49 | helix | peterS: !wem to you, sir |
| 09:59.52 | lgd_ | helix: C language |
| 09:59.54 | helix | heh |
| 09:59.56 | thomas_adam | lgd_: #c |
| 09:59.57 | Shortee | man, I got an error, trying to run k3d |
| 10:00.01 | Shortee | check #flood |
| 10:00.07 | helix | lgd_: oh, you have a C question? /msg peterS help |
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| 10:00.13 | lgd_ | thomas_adam: thank |
| 10:00.21 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Those aren't errors. They're warnings. |
| 10:00.22 | peterS | helix: what, you want a leg-humping or something? |
| 10:00.30 | Guerin | Shortee: again, if you want help fron us, run debian |
| 10:00.30 | thomas_adam | Shortee: That shitty burner program will still load. |
| 10:00.30 | helix | :) |
| 10:00.34 | cef | thomas_adam: yup.. I was just clarifying it.. *grin* |
| 10:00.37 | Shortee | thomas_adam, k3b isn't opening |
| 10:00.43 | Shortee | it sits @ creating GUI |
| 10:00.47 | mtnman | peterS: afaik, she is a cat-person, not a dog-person. |
| 10:00.49 | thomas_adam | cef: It didn't need clarifying when I gave the answer, now did it? |
| 10:00.59 | peterS | mtnman: you are correct |
| 10:01.04 | peterS | mtnman: well, half-correct |
| 10:01.10 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Here's a lesson - use cdrecord. |
| 10:01.11 | helix | haha |
| 10:01.18 | moga | i have a debian woody system from the apt. it is a minimal system only for mail and samba. I want to enable sound on it . i installed sndconfig. sndconfig says my kernel does not support sound modules . what should i do ? |
| 10:01.28 | Shortee | I had to paste it again |
| 10:01.29 | mtnman | peterS: afaik, dogs are leg-humpers, not cats... |
| 10:01.30 | Shortee | for another user |
| 10:01.30 | thomas_adam | moga: Why do you want sound? |
| 10:01.33 | Shortee | :( |
| 10:01.34 | Shortee | cdrecord didnt work :P |
| 10:01.36 | helix | cd burning is one of those things that I've not moved to the command line for yet |
| 10:01.36 | cef | thomas_adam: he asked about how much to download.. not how much installed it was.. to me, that 200 meg figure seemed wrong |
| 10:01.45 | peterS | mtnman: I know. inside joke. |
| 10:01.51 | thomas_adam | cef: Stop trolling now, and fade to black. |
| 10:01.59 | mtnman | peterS: um, ok. |
| 10:02.11 | moga | thomas_adam, to listen ogg files |
| 10:02.11 | thomas_adam | helix: chop chop! |
| 10:02.27 | helix | well, I don't burn enough cd's to justify learning |
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| 10:02.33 | helix | and all I'd burn would be music cd's |
| 10:02.39 | thomas_adam | moga: So use OSS, and load your correct modules. what does 'lspci' say your soundcard is? |
| 10:03.29 | iceman | helix: mp3burn is really easy |
| 10:03.50 | thomas_adam | iceman: We've met before, haven't we? |
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| 10:04.04 | helix | well, the thing is, if I'm going to burn a cd, it's usually something I want to do in a hurry as a second thought |
| 10:04.05 | iceman | I've been around for a while |
| 10:04.10 | iceman | couple of years or so |
| 10:04.12 | helix | so I cannot be assed to read docs about it |
| 10:04.14 | thomas_adam | iceman: At your house? |
| 10:04.24 | Shortee | thomas_adam, how do I cdrecord an iso on my desktop? |
| 10:04.24 | moga | thomas_adam: VIA technologies INC AC 97 |
| 10:04.36 | iceman | thomas_adam: no sorry, only on da internet |
| 10:04.37 | thomas_adam | moga: modprobe ac97-codec via-rhine |
| 10:04.46 | peterS | Shortee: depends on whether you have your kernel and so forth configured correctly |
| 10:04.54 | Shortee | peterS, I think I do |
| 10:04.56 | thomas_adam | iceman: You miss the reference to the film, that you so eloquently spotted the last time we spoke. ;) |
| 10:05.04 | thomas_adam | moga: IIRC. |
| 10:05.05 | peterS | Shortee: if you do, it's just a matter of 'cdrecord dev=0,0 filename.iso' |
| 10:05.08 | iceman | ah, another top gun fan |
| 10:05.14 | thomas_adam | iceman: Pah! |
| 10:05.16 | peterS | Shortee: with some optional stuff like -eject or -speed=16 or -v |
| 10:05.26 | Shortee | I think my drive is dev=0,1,0 |
| 10:05.30 | thomas_adam | iceman: Think again. |
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| 10:05.42 | thomas_adam | Shortee: cdrecord --scanbus |
| 10:05.47 | peterS | Shortee: well, use that, then. 'cdrecord -scanbus' will tell you |
| 10:05.50 | iceman | yea, you're the lynch fan :) |
| 10:05.57 | thomas_adam | iceman: Uh-huh. :) |
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| 10:06.22 | thomas_adam | iceman: I'm cursed with a fairly good memory. |
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| 10:06.33 | Shortee | thomas_adam, pasted in #flood |
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| 10:06.43 | thomas_adam | Shortee: 0,1,0 it is. |
| 10:06.53 | Shortee | ok, so I type dev=0,1? |
| 10:07.04 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Yup. 0,1,0 |
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| 10:07.17 | thomas_adam | Shortee: You've made your ISO though? |
| 10:07.24 | Shortee | cdrecord dev=0,0 KANOTIX-BUG-HUNTER-07-2004-A.iso |
| 10:07.28 | Shortee | yea, its on my desktop |
| 10:07.31 | Guerin | ... |
| 10:07.38 | Guerin | !moron Shortee |
| 10:07.38 | dpkg | Shortee: You are moron #50 |
| 10:07.42 | Shortee | lol |
| 10:07.45 | thomas_adam | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.48 | thomas_adam | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.49 | Shortee | I thought I was moron 48 :( |
| 10:08.09 | Guerin | Shortee: you get to be more morons if you keep on doing moron things |
| 10:08.12 | mtnman | shortee: you lost two places on the list. |
| 10:08.19 | thomas_adam | There's a backlog. |
| 10:08.29 | thomas_adam | And it is Sunday, so the queues are out the door. |
| 10:08.49 | Shortee | go to #flood |
| 10:09.02 | thomas_adam | Shortee: 0 1 0, that's 0 1 0, not 0,1 or 1,0: 0 1 0 |
| 10:09.04 | Guerin | Shortee: like persisting in asking your non-debian questions in here, and persisting in using an unsupported unstable/experimental bastard-distro when you patently have no fucking idea what's going on |
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| 10:09.39 | Shortee | ok |
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| 10:10.22 | thomas_adam | Shortee: What distro are you using? |
| 10:10.49 | moga | thomas_adam, modprobe ac97-codec via-rhine failed |
| 10:10.53 | af_ | there is any way to install raid1 on /boot / partitions using debian installer? |
| 10:10.54 | moga | both |
| 10:10.55 | Shortee | thomas_adam, it still didnt work |
| 10:10.57 | Shortee | thomas_adam, lol Morphix KDE :P |
| 10:11.03 | thomas_adam | Shortee: lol. |
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| 10:11.18 | thomas_adam | Shortee: When you entered this channel, did you read the /topic? |
| 10:11.21 | Shortee | thomas_adam, I'm trying to get Kanotix on a CD, but i can't |
| 10:11.24 | thomas_adam | Ok, read ths instead... |
| 10:11.35 | thomas_adam | !tell Shortee about essentially debian |
| 10:11.37 | Guerin | thomas_adam: we've been lecturing him about this all afternoon |
| 10:11.42 | thomas_adam | !tell Shortee about not debian |
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| 10:11.56 | Shortee | lol |
| 10:11.58 | thomas_adam | lol |
| 10:12.01 | Shortee | :( |
| 10:12.01 | thomas_adam | | |
| 10:12.11 | Guerin | ah, you suck, t_a |
| 10:12.13 | holdenettel | Trying to get NVIDA driver running on Kanotix BH 7/2004 - does not seem to work on HD-installation |
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| 10:12.18 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Don't try the guilt trip, laddy. |
| 10:12.25 | Guerin | !nondeb kanotix |
| 10:12.26 | dpkg | Go to channel #kanotix for help with kanotix. If kanotix was Debian, it would be called Debian and not kanotix. |
| 10:12.34 | thomas_adam | moga: It will be those modules. Look for them. |
| 10:12.39 | Shortee | I'm using #morphix right now |
| 10:12.45 | Shortee | but no1 is there to help me |
| 10:12.46 | Guerin | wtf are all the kanotards coming from all of a sudden? |
| 10:12.48 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Read what DPKG told you. |
| 10:12.57 | holdenettel | but a hd-installation is more debian than kanotix... |
| 10:13.02 | thomas_adam | Shortee: You are not running debian, OK? So your questions are void here. |
| 10:13.10 | Guerin | holdenettel: it's till not debian. |
| 10:13.15 | thomas_adam | holdenettel: So? |
| 10:13.22 | mtnman | guerin; from the woodwork, apparently. |
| 10:13.26 | Shortee | thomas_adam, #morphix, everyone is away... |
| 10:13.27 | holdenettel | this is not very kind... but .. good-bye |
| 10:13.37 | thomas_adam | !tell Shortee about piav |
| 10:13.40 | Shortee | thomas_adam, morphix uses debian :) |
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| 10:13.55 | thomas_adam | Shortee: You're on /ignore |
| 10:14.08 | thomas_adam | jivera: cups and foomatic |
| 10:14.10 | Shortee | thomas_adam, I'm gonna get debian, if I can get my burner working |
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| 10:14.20 | jivera | thomas_adam: Yeah, I installed those, but it's printing stuff far too large. |
| 10:14.31 | thomas_adam | jivera: That's in the cups FAQ. |
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| 10:14.34 | jivera | Ah. |
| 10:14.35 | Guerin | Shortee: don't you have another os on that machine? |
| 10:14.47 | mtnman | shortee: i normally install debian from two or three floppies. |
| 10:14.57 | thomas_adam | I use debootstrap, but.... |
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| 10:15.25 | Guerin | a cd install is infinitely easier |
| 10:15.34 | Guerin | if you're new to the whole scheme |
| 10:15.45 | mtnman | guerin; not if you can't burn a cd. |
| 10:15.52 | Guerin | mtnman: this is true. |
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| 10:16.07 | mtnman | guerin: i was suggesting an alternative. |
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| 10:16.35 | moga | thomas_adam, is it posible that my kernel does not support modules o the sound need to be enabled ? i have e 2.2.20 kernel |
| 10:16.41 | thomas_adam | Who cares. The idiot won't be installing shit anytime soon. |
| 10:16.42 | Shortee | HOLY! I got it working |
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| 10:16.46 | Shortee | its burning now! |
| 10:16.46 | Guerin | !tell moga about real kernel |
| 10:16.59 | thomas_adam | moga: Ye gads. Get 2.4.18 at least. |
| 10:17.00 | Guerin | Shortee: I bet you're burning that kanotix disk, though |
| 10:17.11 | Shortee | yea |
| 10:17.19 | jivera | thomas_adam: What FAQ are you referring to, btw? I've looked at the docs in /usr/share/doc/cupsys/ and cups.org/faq.php and I haven't noticed anything yet. |
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| 10:17.33 | Shortee | Guerin, I may get Debian, if some1 tells me which flavor |
| 10:17.37 | Guerin | Shortee: when you're done with that, burn the d-i cd and you can install debian |
| 10:17.37 | thomas_adam | jivera: I have read it somewhere. Is it happening for everything you print? |
| 10:17.42 | Guerin | !tell Shortee about d-i |
| 10:17.54 | jivera | thomas_adam: I've only tried printing stuff from Mozilla... lemme try openoffice. |
| 10:17.59 | thomas_adam | jivera: wait... |
| 10:18.09 | Shortee | Guerin, alright |
| 10:18.14 | thomas_adam | jivera: I have a factoid about that... |
| 10:18.19 | jivera | thomas_adam: Okay. |
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| 10:18.45 | jivera | thomas_adam: I printed the test page and it came out fine, btw. |
| 10:18.56 | thomas_adam | !mozilla print |
| 10:18.56 | dpkg | For problems relating to Xprint and mozilla, read the FAQ: http://xprint.mozdev.org/docs/Xprint_FAQ.html#printout_only_covers_1_4_of_the_paper |
| 10:19.02 | Shortee | Guerin, which? [alpha] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [powerpc] [sparc] |
| 10:19.05 | thomas_adam | jivera: ^^^ use that as a platform leap. |
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| 10:19.58 | Guerin | Shortee: i386 |
| 10:20.01 | Shortee | ok |
| 10:20.04 | jivera | thomas_adam: Hm, but I'm not using the Xprint interface -- in Mozilla I chose my printer from the menu rather than the xprint-ps or xprint-pdf choices (or does that still count as xprint?). |
| 10:20.24 | Shortee | I'll try it after Kanotix, maybe before :) |
| 10:20.28 | thomas_adam | jivera: It's al relevant. |
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| 10:20.36 | jivera | thomas_adam: Okay, thanks. |
| 10:20.41 | thomas_adam | jivera: Especially for mozilla. |
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| 10:20.44 | tuxlon | when installing a kernel-image with apt-get I always get Unterprozess pre-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurück |
| 10:20.44 | tuxlon | Fehler traten auf beim Bearbeiten von: |
| 10:20.44 | tuxlon | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.44 | tuxlon | eas: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 10:20.47 | thomas_adam | jivera: Then try something from openoffice. |
| 10:20.53 | Shortee | Guerin, tell thomas_adam I'm downloading Debain right now |
| 10:21.05 | Shortee | Debian* |
| 10:21.28 | jivera | thomas_adam: Thanks for the help. |
| 10:21.30 | Shortee | Guerin, how do I know when cdrecord is done? |
| 10:21.36 | thomas_adam | jivera: You're welcome. |
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| 10:22.10 | Guerin | Shortee: it will tell you, or it will exit |
| 10:22.15 | tuxlon | when installing a kernel-image i always get: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 10:22.29 | Paralox | is apt-get avalable for freebsd? |
| 10:22.32 | thomas_adam | tuxlon: /topic - paste in #flood |
| 10:22.36 | Shortee | Guerin, my cd is barely spinning... |
| 10:22.40 | Guerin | Paralox: I doubt it |
| 10:22.43 | thomas_adam | Paralox: debian-freebsd, yes. |
| 10:22.53 | Guerin | thomas_adam: ah, that's true |
| 10:23.10 | Paralox | thanks thomas_adam |
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| 10:23.18 | Guerin | !debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 10:23.18 | dpkg | i heard debian gnu/kfreebsd is a port that consists of the GNU userland on top of the FreeBSD kernel, coupled with the Debian tools and packages. There is a BSD libc5 port, but the Glibc port is being focused on more. http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or Penix' almighty official installation guide can be found here: http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/kfreebsd/install.html |
| 10:23.28 | tuxlon | thomas_adam: /topic ??? sorry, what do you mean?? |
| 10:23.30 | Shortee | Guerin, did you let thomas_adam know I'm downloading Debian rright now? |
| 10:23.39 | thomas_adam | tuxlon: Which you started to do here - naughty. Try again, please, but paste your errors in #flood. |
| 10:23.47 | thomas_adam | tuxlon: Sunday, isn't it? I thought so. |
| 10:23.51 | Guerin | Shortee: I'm sure he'll figure it out from context, not that he cares |
| 10:24.06 | Shortee | Guerin, he has me on /ignore |
| 10:24.07 | tuxlon | thomas_adam: ok, ok |
| 10:24.31 | Guerin | thomas_adam: Shortee wants you to know he's downloading d-i |
| 10:24.33 | thomas_adam | tuxlon: You type in '/topic' and you read. |
| 10:24.40 | thomas_adam | Guerin: I gathered that from context. ;) |
| 10:24.46 | Guerin | indeed |
| 10:24.54 | thomas_adam | Although I couldn't give a shit. :) |
| 10:24.54 | Shortee | Guerin, is Debian KDE based or Gnome? Lilo or Grub? |
| 10:25.04 | Guerin | Shortee: neither, and neither |
| 10:25.15 | Shortee | Guerin, what is it then? |
| 10:25.16 | Guerin | Shortee: you get to choose everything. |
| 10:25.32 | Shortee | Guerin, alright, so I get to choose between both? |
| 10:25.35 | Guerin | Shortee: it's an OS which you get to set up to your own liking. |
| 10:25.43 | Shortee | Guerin, sweet :) |
| 10:26.09 | directhex | Shortee, there's more than kde or gnome in this world. there are pleanty of window managers available |
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| 10:26.18 | Shortee | Guerin, the CD drive is still spinning...really...really...slowly |
| 10:26.33 | thomas_adam | !be thomas_adam barbie |
| 10:26.33 | dpkg | fvwm is sooo cool. Let's go shopping, teehee. |
| 10:26.37 | Shortee | directhex, I know, I just only have used KDE, and want to try Gnome... |
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| 10:26.53 | Shortee | !be Shortee barbie |
| 10:26.57 | Shortee | :( |
| 10:27.44 | Shortee | Guerin, the CD drive is still spinning...really...really...slowly |
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| 10:27.48 | Guerin | Shortee: has cdrecord returned you to a command prompt? |
| 10:27.55 | Shortee | no, not yet |
| 10:27.58 | Guerin | Shortee: I heard you the fucking first time |
| 10:28.06 | Arkainium | are there any known issues with java plugins and back ported firefox? |
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| 10:28.16 | Shortee | Guerin, lol, you didn't answer the first time :P |
| 10:28.21 | Guerin | none that I know of |
| 10:28.23 | thomas_adam | Arkainium: Such as? |
| 10:28.36 | Guerin | Shortee: patience, ffs. I'm not your personal irc flunkie. |
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| 10:28.39 | thomas_adam | Arkainium: backporting does not change internal code, it will work fine. |
| 10:28.40 | Arkainium | thomas_adam: my firefox keeps crashing as soon as it tries to load an applet |
| 10:28.44 | Shortee | Guerin, lol. |
| 10:28.51 | thomas_adam | Arkainium: That's a god sent, surely? |
| 10:28.59 | Shortee | Guerin, plz be :) $5 paypal monthly :D |
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| 10:29.01 | Guerin | Arkainium: I had that with the sid version qaas well, then I gave up on it. |
| 10:29.34 | Arkainium | oh well.. :/ |
| 10:29.35 | thomas_adam | Arkainium: Use dillo, or links2, or elinks - far less hassle. |
| 10:29.42 | cef | Arkainium: did you backport it, or someone else? |
| 10:29.52 | Arkainium | cef: from backports.org |
| 10:29.55 | thomas_adam | I even admit to using Xmosaic and running netscape vesion 4, but... shhh. :P |
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| 10:30.03 | michal | thomas_adam: or wget | less :-) |
| 10:30.13 | thomas_adam | michal: telnet foo 80 |
| 10:30.26 | michal | thomas_adam: :-) |
| 10:31.10 | cef | Arkainium: hrm.. could be a plugin api change.. I do seem to remember something about that.. I had heaps of problems with java under sid, but then I found a build of java that worked fine |
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| 10:31.31 | Shortee | Guerin, it finished, is there a way to view the files on the CD, and delete them? |
| 10:31.49 | Shortee | Guerin, so I could put Debian on instead |
| 10:31.51 | Guerin | !tell Shortee about fundamentals |
| 10:32.00 | Guerin | Shortee: you can't just delete shit from a cd |
| 10:32.06 | Penix | what's a normal way to do something along the lines of mkfs.ufs `cat $file` in a shell script? $file is text file (over in /tmp). I'm trying to get the contents of $file on the end of mkfs.ufs. |
| 10:32.11 | Shortee | Guerin, on windows you can :P |
| 10:32.17 | Guerin | Shortee: unless it's a cdrw, and I don't know how to work them with cdrecord |
| 10:32.20 | cef | Arkainium: are you using java that was packaged, or just downloaded and installed from sun/java.com ? |
| 10:32.31 | Guerin | Shortee: no, windows does not defy the laws of physics |
| 10:32.34 | thomas_adam | Penix: process substitution. |
| 10:32.45 | Guerin | (though it does defy many other laws) |
| 10:32.45 | Shortee | alright...I'll just keep the Kanotix CD, and get a new CD for Debian |
| 10:32.46 | Penix | wha?... |
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| 10:33.06 | thomas_adam | Penix: mkfs.ufs < <(cat ./foo) |
| 10:33.30 | Arkainium | cef: downloaded it from sun |
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| 10:33.48 | k-god | Anyone know of a Linux utility which reads Windows registry files? |
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| 10:33.57 | Guerin | k-god: regedit :) |
| 10:33.58 | thomas_adam | k-god: Proprietry only, alas. |
| 10:34.03 | Guerin | in wine |
| 10:34.11 | cef | Arkainium: ahh.. you sure you got the version compiled against the correct libc? that could cause what you're seeing |
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| 10:34.32 | Arkainium | cef: it only crashes with the ns610 version, which is what i'm guessing I need. the ns610-gcc32 does nothing |
| 10:34.39 | thomas_adam | k-god: But reads them how? And to do what? |
| 10:35.00 | thomas_adam | k-god: Also, why are you at work on a Sunday? :) |
| 10:35.04 | jivera | Bwuh... now Mozilla won't print at all... |
| 10:35.12 | Guerin | Arkainium: the gcc32 ones are for use with newer distros - the standard plugins are right for woody |
| 10:35.13 | thomas_adam | jivera: What did you do? |
| 10:35.29 | jivera | thomas_adam: In gnome-cups-manager I tried changing around the dpi settings on my printer. |
| 10:35.32 | cef | Arkainium: hrmm... you're running a standard kernel? |
| 10:35.37 | thomas_adam | jivera: right... |
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| 10:35.54 | jivera | thomas_adam: It didn't work after I changed so I changed them back, still doesn't print anything. The files just stack up in the queue. |
| 10:36.11 | thomas_adam | jivera: Restart the cups daemon? |
| 10:36.13 | Arkainium | cef: recompiled a debian 2.4.19 kernel, does it matter? |
| 10:36.20 | jivera | thomas_adam: Alright. |
| 10:36.37 | cef | Arkainium: that should be fine.. just if you were running a backport of 2.6, it might have been an issue |
| 10:36.52 | Arkainium | cef: i installed the jre using alien, not sure if that might be the cause of anything |
| 10:36.55 | k-god | thomas_adam: Trying to pull a registration key out of a registry file I've got archived on Linux ATM. |
| 10:37.08 | thomas_adam | k-god: Ah, use awk. :) |
| 10:37.39 | Shortee | Guerin, the CD is burning for Debian. Will it overwrite my Morphix installation, like I want it to? |
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| 10:38.07 | k-god | thomas_adam: Working late from Saturday. |
| 10:38.11 | thomas_adam | k-god: :| |
| 10:38.21 | k-god | Guerin: Interesting idea. |
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| 10:38.31 | Shortee | thomas_adam, the CD is burning for Debian. Will it overwrite my Morphix installation, like I want it to? |
| 10:38.48 | k-god | thomas_adam: I tried strings and got a value which matches the field format but isn't accepted on install. |
| 10:38.58 | Guerin | Shortee: you will have to tell it to, but yes. |
| 10:39.03 | thomas_adam | k-god: paste a before and after, where 'after' is using strings... |
| 10:39.03 | directhex | Shortee, yes, if you want it to |
| 10:39.10 | thomas_adam | k-god: Let's see if we can't clean it up a bit. |
| 10:39.15 | Shortee | directhex, whats better for a newb? Lilo or Grub? |
| 10:39.15 | k-god | thomas_adam: ...I'm using strings. |
| 10:39.16 | cef | Arkainium: probably not the best thing to do.. but still.. what version jre? |
| 10:39.47 | Arkainium | cef: 1.4.2_05 |
| 10:40.43 | Shortee | directhex, Since I'm a linux newb, is there anything I should know before installation? |
| 10:40.56 | k-god | thomas_adam: ...what's "before" if "after" is strings? |
| 10:40.56 | Guerin | !tell Shortee about fundamentals |
| 10:41.01 | Guerin | !tell Shortee about ig |
| 10:41.04 | Phated | Shortee: -All- your hardware specs. at the least. |
| 10:41.23 | Shortee | um... |
| 10:41.35 | thomas_adam | k-god: the normal registry sample, or what it is supposed to look like. :) |
| 10:41.44 | Shortee | Phated, I know I have a 1.6 celeron w/ 256MB of ram, and a Radeon 7000... |
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| 10:41.49 | Shortee | anything else I need to know? |
| 10:42.03 | Guerin | Shortee: sound card? ethernet? are your drived IDE or SATA? |
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| 10:42.14 | Phated | Shortee: Not enough, my friend. -Everything-. See Guerin's words. |
| 10:42.16 | Guerin | Shortee: any other hardware in your system? |
| 10:42.20 | Gujin | say how big should a /boot partition be? |
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| 10:42.35 | Shortee | Guerin, sound - onboard, ethernet - in PCI slot :), ionno... |
| 10:42.37 | Guerin | Gujin: 10-50MB, depending on how many kernels you want |
| 10:42.52 | Gujin | Guerin: two, a 2.4 one and a 2.6 one ;D |
| 10:42.55 | Zetabyte | guys, i'm still struggling with my dns server - it is now working for everything but external queries (i.e. if i query www.google.com). any ideas why that would stop working? |
| 10:42.56 | Phated | Shortee: SPECIFICS. God is in the details. |
| 10:42.59 | Guerin | Shortee: lspci will tell you - write them down |
| 10:43.05 | Shortee | alright |
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| 10:43.20 | thomas_adam | Zetabyte: Don't give out too much information, will you? |
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| 10:43.24 | Guerin | Gujin: 10MB. Maybe 20, tops. |
| 10:43.29 | thomas_adam | Gujin: 15MB |
| 10:43.29 | Guerin | Gujin: damn small |
| 10:43.36 | Gujin | ok thanks |
| 10:43.47 | Phated | thomas_adam: Sarcasm is wasted on some. |
| 10:43.58 | thomas_adam | Phated: That was sarcasm? |
| 10:44.00 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 10:44.04 | Gujin | can a boot partition be a logical one? |
| 10:44.09 | thomas_adam | Gujin: No. |
| 10:44.09 | cef | Zetabyte: do you have a forwarders line? |
| 10:44.10 | Phated | thomas_adam: :) |
| 10:44.16 | Zetabyte | no |
| 10:44.17 | jivera | thomas_adam: What's the ":@64" part of an Xprint name mean? |
| 10:44.21 | Phated | thomas_adam: Thus, illogical boots? :) |
| 10:44.26 | thomas_adam | jivera: I have no idea. |
| 10:44.32 | jivera | thomas_adam: Fair enough. :-) |
| 10:44.42 | Zetabyte | if i leave that out, shouldn't the server contact the root servers itsself to resolve stuff? |
| 10:44.43 | cef | Zetabyte: ok.. and you've got entries for named.root in your config? |
| 10:44.47 | thomas_adam | jivera: In what context is it? |
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| 10:44.52 | k-god | thomas_adam: Not sure I'm following. |
| 10:44.54 | thomas_adam | Zetabyte: Yes. |
| 10:44.59 | cef | Zetabyte: just clarifying your setup |
| 10:45.02 | thomas_adam | k-god: It's probably me. |
| 10:45.02 | Guerin | sounds like the display xprint is pringting to |
| 10:45.07 | Gujin | thomas_adam: I have free space only as a logical partition, can I do anything about it except deleting other partitions? |
| 10:45.24 | cef | Zetabyte: named.root or db.root or something like that anyway |
| 10:45.25 | Zetabyte | it's called db.root, but it's in my named.conf as a hints file |
| 10:45.25 | Phated | Gujin: Errr, free space is nothing, not even logical... |
| 10:45.26 | jivera | thomas_adam: When I run xplsprinters or choose a printer in Firefox, all the printer names are appended by @:64 |
| 10:45.27 | k-god | Gujin: Big enough for your kernels. |
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| 10:45.28 | Zetabyte | pasting in flood in a sec |
| 10:45.39 | thomas_adam | Gujin: If you can't have /boot as logical, just install to /boot on your '/' drive and make it bootable in cfdisk. |
| 10:45.44 | Guerin | Gujin: can you delete that partition and make a primary one? |
| 10:45.45 | lba | http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0274518/board/nest/9454330 |
| 10:45.49 | thomas_adam | s/logical/primary/ |
| 10:45.51 | lba | http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0274518/board/nest/9454330 |
| 10:45.52 | Gujin | Phated: cfdisk wont let me use it as a primary partitions I already have 4 prime partitions |
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| 10:46.05 | Phated | Gujin: Yow. |
| 10:46.41 | k-god | Gujin: What others said. I'm sizing 'em around 40 MB these days. Kernels are growing a lot, but it's mostly modules, not the kernel itself. Means that your / has to be ~150MB these days, likely larger. Especially if you're using journaling. |
| 10:46.49 | Shortee | Guerin, is that all I need? the stuff in lspci? |
| 10:46.51 | Gujin | thomas_adam: i'm planning on making an encrypted harddrive, I must have a /boot partition. I could be encrypting my /home partition only though |
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| 10:47.05 | Guerin | Shortee: that's the best start. |
| 10:47.09 | Shortee | ok |
| 10:47.12 | thomas_adam | Gujin: How do you plan to do that when you're failing at such a simple step? |
| 10:47.21 | Shortee | I'll come back 2morrow, when people are awake if i run into anything |
| 10:47.26 | thomas_adam | Gujin: Here's how it should work... |
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| 10:47.27 | Guerin | Shortee: the d-i will probably detect everything |
| 10:47.28 | k-god | thomas_adam: I can check another system but need to run upstairs. BBIAF. |
| 10:47.40 | directhex | Gujin, just go buy http://www.abit-usa.com/products/multimedia/secureide/ - done & dusted. |
| 10:47.40 | Gujin | thomas_adam: I just don't have a free primary partition on that harddrive |
| 10:47.40 | Zetabyte | hmmm |
| 10:47.54 | Zetabyte | apparently gaim pastes multi-line stuff faster that freenode likes =( |
| 10:47.58 | Arkainium | cef: ok, it must be a bad java install. i should have tried this before, but none off the tools work either. :P |
| 10:48.07 | thomas_adam | Gujin: (swap) --> /boot (P) --> / (P) --> / (P) --> /usr (L) --> /home (L) |
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| 10:48.20 | thomas_adam | Gujin: If you wanted it that way, of course. |
| 10:48.31 | Zetabyte | join #flood |
| 10:48.34 | Zetabyte | bah |
| 10:48.37 | thomas_adam | Gujin: where P == Primary, and L == logical. Of course YMMV. |
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| 10:48.39 | Gujin | nevermind thanks for the info anyway |
| 10:48.47 | thomas_adam | Gujin: Ok, ignore me then. |
| 10:48.50 | Gujin | I will see what I can do |
| 10:48.50 | Gujin | ;D |
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| 10:49.05 | cef | Arkainium: could be a library dependancy issue.. might try 'ldd java' on the java executable, and see if any libs it needs don't exist |
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| 10:52.06 | Zetabyte | yeh...so...my root hints file doesn't seem to be the problem |
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| 10:55.17 | thomas_adam | dpkg, test |
| 10:55.17 | dpkg | Yes, thomas_adam, you're still online. |
| 10:55.18 | Mike23424 | Somebody told me Linux 7.2 comes with drivers for my Senao pcmcia card but are they talking about Redhat or something? |
| 10:55.30 | thomas_adam | Linux 7.2? No such thing. |
| 10:55.37 | cef | Zetabyte: no firewall rules getting in the way.. possibly blocking packets in or out? |
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| 10:56.08 | Zetabyte | i don't think so because i haven't changed anything on the firewall and it used to work |
| 10:56.11 | Zetabyte | lemme confirm that tho |
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| 10:59.50 | jazzcat | hellou ! ! ! ! |
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| 11:00.13 | jazzcat | does someone know how to activate the transparences in WindowMaker? ? ? ? ? |
| 11:00.59 | sussudio | !fix jazzcat |
| 11:01.53 | Zetabyte | *smackhead* it was the firewall |
| 11:01.56 | Arkainium | cef: something must've went wrong when converting it to a deb package. it's working fine now. thanks. |
| 11:02.01 | thomas_adam | jazzcat: ! ! ! yes, ! ! ! you ! need !!!! a patch!!!!!!! |
| 11:02.12 | Zetabyte | changes i made last time must not have been saved so when i booted it stoped working. thanks cef! |
| 11:02.56 | jazzcat | ok thanks |
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| 11:03.54 | cef | Arkainium, Zetabyte: no problems.. |
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| 11:04.45 | thomas_adam | !tell jazzcat about ep |
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| 11:06.56 | Mike23424 | Is there any command to see what pcmcia devices are present? |
| 11:07.27 | thomas_adam | Mike23424: cardinfo |
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| 11:08.29 | cef | Mike23424: or 'cardctl status', or perhaps 'cardctl info' |
| 11:08.35 | jivera | Bah, I'll figure out my printer tomorrow... it's too late. |
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| 11:10.39 | stiefem | sjees i would have expect my intel server board (s875wp1) would have wake-on-lan on it |
| 11:11.16 | Mike23424 | ok |
| 11:11.18 | Mike23424 | ty |
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| 11:12.50 | Keidonn | is there a way to check which version of gcc your kernel was compiled with? |
| 11:13.00 | petemc | Keidonn: cat /proc/version |
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| 11:14.10 | Keidonn | petemc: thanks a mill |
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| 11:22.30 | thomas_adam | ~test |
| 11:22.31 | apt | Failed |
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| 11:22.36 | thomas_adam | God it is slow. |
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| 11:23.05 | kromagg | hmm I read that as "God is slow" |
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| 11:27.08 | Zetabyte | NOTE: it helps for /etc/resolv.conf to be world-readable. this concludes Zetabyte's "revelation of the day" |
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| 11:28.17 | simonrvn | !fart |
| 11:28.31 | Keidonn | which version of gnome is currently in sid ? |
| 11:28.37 | Keidonn | 2.6? |
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| 11:28.49 | simonrvn | @pdo |
| 11:28.49 | ravenbird | pdo is, like, http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents |
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| 11:32.11 | AaronC | Hi there |
| 11:32.27 | Keidonn | i'm like on a windows xp machine trying to complete a net install of sid on a laptop and it's sooo irritating.. |
| 11:32.27 | Phated | AaronC: Hey. |
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| 11:33.29 | cef | Keidonn: howso? having to use XP, or the net install? cos I can see how having to use XO would be irritating |
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| 11:33.45 | simonrvn | cef: you read my mind |
| 11:34.09 | Phated | cef: Aye. :) |
| 11:34.16 | AaronC | can someone please tell me: how to reconfigure a package using dpkg-reconfigure so that it installs from start dpkg-reconfigure doesn't go through all the installation procedure |
| 11:34.30 | Keidonn | yup using xp... |
| 11:34.30 | simonrvn | wha? |
| 11:34.32 | cef | simonrvn: unfortunately i have to use it at work (not solely thankfully).. which is why when I get home, I want to just curl up in a ball and go to sleep |
| 11:35.02 | cef | AaronC: 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow package-name' |
| 11:35.10 | AaronC | thankyou cef |
| 11:35.18 | simonrvn | cef: i was recently on an xp box. first thing i did was try to find a working copy of putty so i could ssh to here |
| 11:35.34 | Phated | simonrvn: Good luck. :) |
| 11:35.43 | simonrvn | at least i see my familiar prompt =) |
| 11:35.50 | Keidonn | lol ...security blanket |
| 11:36.01 | simonrvn | Phated: oh, i did find one, i was "home" in no time ;) |
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| 11:36.05 | cef | simonrvn: hehe.. I install putty and winscp3 on pretty much every box I use.. |
| 11:36.05 | Phated | simonrvn: Aye, C:\ is just -unacceptable-. |
| 11:36.33 | simonrvn | Phated: just seeing it i give a little *shudder* ugh |
| 11:36.42 | thomas_adam | !ls |
| 11:36.43 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1. Lesotho |
| 11:36.47 | thomas_adam | Put that in it. |
| 11:36.54 | Phated | simonrvn: Exactly! |
| 11:37.03 | simonrvn | who ever heard of a \ to separate dirs ? |
| 11:37.07 | simonrvn | sheesh |
| 11:37.18 | Phated | simonrvn: Aye, then it's such an unintuitive thing. |
| 11:37.25 | Phated | Also, / looks much better. |
| 11:37.31 | thomas_adam | Yup. |
| 11:37.37 | simonrvn | always made my think i was goind backwards |
| 11:37.43 | simonrvn | going* |
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| 11:38.24 | simonrvn | !factinfo ls |
| 11:38.24 | dpkg | ls -- last modified at Mon May 5 05:34:41 2003 by hoxu!hoxu@dsl-jklgw3i1c.dial.inet.fi; it has been requested 95 times, last by thomas_adam, 1m 42s ago. |
| 11:38.27 | cef | simonrvn: I first used CPM.. then Apple ]['s.. only went to PC's when it became clear that the Mac was not for me |
| 11:38.49 | Phated | simonrvn: Aye. :) |
| 11:38.52 | simonrvn | i get my ppc macs used ;) |
| 11:38.53 | vittorio_ | my sarge install uses the sym53c875 driver (FAST-5 WIDE SCSI 10.0 MB/s), another old suse 7.3 uses (ncr53c875 FAST-20 WIDE SCSI 40.0 MB/s) on same hardware - can i tell sarge to use the ncr too and how ? |
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| 11:39.22 | thomas_adam | vittorio_: Post or pre install? |
| 11:39.29 | vittorio_ | thomas_adam, post |
| 11:39.31 | simonrvn | vittorio_: you don't tell sarge, you build a kernel or choose one with the support |
| 11:39.46 | cef | simonrvn: hehe.. by Mac though, I'm talking about Apple Lisa's and FatMac's.. well before the Mac+ and the like |
| 11:39.50 | vittorio_ | argh, i dont want to build a kernel |
| 11:40.09 | vittorio_ | ok, choosing sounds better ... |
| 11:40.10 | simonrvn | cef: those are *ancient* - like the "portable" hehe |
| 11:40.38 | thomas_adam | vittorio_: "You don't want to" - ha! Live with it, then. |
| 11:40.44 | cef | simonrvn: yes they are.. and so am I.. *grin* |
| 11:40.45 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: ][ |
| 11:40.47 | simonrvn | his loss |
| 11:41.12 | simonrvn | cef: *g* |
| 11:41.19 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: beep right back at you ;) |
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| 11:41.24 | AaronC | cef: sorry, that din't work as I wanted it to. |
| 11:41.31 | simonrvn | argh, sticky k and ; |
| 11:41.50 | Phated | AaronC: apt-get remove --purge <package> ; apt-get install <package> <-- You want a reinstall instead? |
| 11:41.53 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 11:41.53 | k-god | thomas_adam: Still here? |
| 11:42.03 | thomas_adam | k-god: Yes. |
| 11:42.09 | k-god | thomas_adam: ...it appears that that *is* a valid key. At least for *some* Win98 installs. |
| 11:42.10 | thomas_adam | k-god: I'm not allowed to leave. |
| 11:42.16 | thomas_adam | k-god: Oh? |
| 11:42.19 | simonrvn | ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;llllllk;kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk;;;;;;kkkkkkk;;; |
| 11:42.26 | Phated | thomas_adam: Aye, definitely not allowed. |
| 11:42.27 | k-god | thomas_adam: ...but not the one I'm trying to install. |
| 11:42.29 | AaronC | I'm trying to re-install courier-imap-ssl so that I can regenerate the certificates, courier automatically generates these on install but I can't find any references in the docs on how to just regerate the certs |
| 11:42.38 | cef | Phated: unfortunately --purge usually doesn't reset debconf.. which is annoying |
| 11:42.38 | Phated | AaronC: apt-get remove --purge <package> ; apt-get install <package> <-- You want a reinstall instead? |
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| 11:42.40 | AaronC | thanks phated |
| 11:42.47 | thomas_adam | AaronC: apt-get --reinstll install foo |
| 11:42.48 | Phated | cef: True... :| |
| 11:42.51 | k-god | thomas_adam: ...at least on the basis of the fact that it's *remarkably* similar in value to the key I pulled from another system's registry. |
| 11:42.54 | simonrvn | AaronC: imapcert or such |
| 11:43.05 | thomas_adam | k-god: Hmm, I think it has to be completely accurate. |
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| 11:43.14 | Phated | thomas_adam: I didn't know there -was- a --reinstall with Linux, always thought it was a Windows thing. :) |
| 11:43.24 | stinkzor | how di i get an entire directory with the command line ftp client |
| 11:43.25 | simonrvn | AaronC: see the courier-imap-ssl postinst (in /var/lib/dpkg/info if you don't where to find it) |
| 11:43.34 | thomas_adam | Phated: Only for individula packages. |
| 11:43.35 | k-god | thomas_adam: Let's just assume that it is, for argument's sake. |
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| 11:43.40 | jeanpoldeux | It has been sais that the kernel source contains a little bit of assembler code. Is that right ? |
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| 11:43.49 | thomas_adam | k-god: Ok. In that case, it makes no sense. It should just import cleanly. |
| 11:43.58 | simonrvn | jeanpoldeux: of course |
| 11:43.58 | Phated | thomas_adam: Ahh. :) |
| 11:44.00 | cef | AaronC: some things like that won't occur unless the files are in the original state when unpacked.. as they've generated the cert, you've lost that original |
| 11:44.00 | AaronC | thankyou simonrv |
| 11:44.00 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: Yes. |
| 11:44.12 | k-god | thomas_adam: Would OEM vs. aftermarket disks have different keys? |
| 11:44.30 | thomas_adam | k-god: Most certainly, yes. |
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| 11:44.53 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: I am curious to see how it looks like. I suppose it's used for low-level drivers ? where can I look in the source for assembler code ? |
| 11:44.54 | k-god | thomas_adam: That may well be the problem here. |
| 11:45.20 | Phated | simonrvn: No, no, then -all- your keys get stuck. :) |
| 11:45.22 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: find /usr/src/linux -name '*.asm' -type f |
| 11:45.28 | k-god | thomas_adam: ...and would fall into the category of "the key is valid for _some_ Win98 installs". |
| 11:45.42 | thomas_adam | k-god: Yeah. A royal PITA. |
| 11:45.52 | cef | jeanpoldeux: grab a copy of the kernel source.. it's mainly used for optimized loops, the bootloader and system init routines, and the core of the scheduler |
| 11:45.55 | Phated | Am I actually seeing a Win98 install in progress here? |
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| 11:46.38 | jeanpoldeux | cef: ah. I was thinking processor instructions, cache, something like that. thx |
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| 11:47.00 | k-god | thomas_adam: I'm sorely tempted to call up MSFT's registration number, explain the situation, and ask the CSR if she'd like to offer me the choice of a valid MSFT install or a Debian Linux system. |
| 11:47.10 | simonrvn | Phated: hehe ;) |
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| 11:47.14 | thomas_adam | k-god: I'd agree. |
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| 11:47.25 | Frostbite | How does adsl bonding compare to load balancing - is it the same thing? Do the lines share a single ip or have multiple ips? How do you run servers on bonded/load balanced connections? |
| 11:47.31 | Phated | simonrvn: What, oh -what- is the channel coming to? |
| 11:47.37 | thomas_adam | Phated: A mess. |
| 11:47.37 | cef | jeanpoldeux: well that's mainly the optimised stuff.. look for .S files in the kernel source |
| 11:47.41 | k-god | thomas_adam: ...the situation being ages-old systems which are nuked beyond belief by Interthingy exposure. |
| 11:47.49 | thomas_adam | k-god: hehehehe. |
| 11:47.50 | k-god | thomas_adam: ...you'd agree with what? |
| 11:47.52 | Phated | thomas_adam: Aye. And you're -helping-! :) |
| 11:48.05 | thomas_adam | k-god: Phoning up MSFT |
| 11:48.11 | thomas_adam | Phated: :( |
| 11:48.18 | Phated | thomas_adam: :) |
| 11:48.19 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: find *.asm returns nothing. It's perhaps intel specific. (I'm on ppc). |
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| 11:48.22 | thomas_adam | Phated: k-god is a good god man. |
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| 11:48.37 | Phated | thomas_adam: Windows? No, no, he's the Devil. |
| 11:48.43 | k-god | Phated: I'm trying to get a system dual booted. |
| 11:48.51 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: grep -Ri lda /usr/src/linux |
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| 11:49.01 | Phated | k-god: have you already installed Linux? |
| 11:49.01 | k-god | Phated: Turns out that a 'Doze install is rather more problematic than a Linux one these days. |
| 11:49.04 | jeanpoldeux | grep -Ri lda /usr/src/linux |
| 11:49.07 | jeanpoldeux | oops |
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| 11:49.14 | k-god | Phated: Not on this particular box, per se, no. |
| 11:49.24 | cef | jeanpoldeux: asm in linux tends to end in .S |
| 11:49.27 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: assuming '/usr/src/linux' is an accurate symlink for you. |
| 11:49.29 | Phated | k-god: Thank god. I was worried you had. |
| 11:49.48 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: of course it is. there are .S files like cef said. |
| 11:49.51 | cef | jeanpoldeux: and most of the asm is in the arch directory of the kernel source |
| 11:50.01 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: So look at them, then. |
| 11:50.08 | simonrvn | and asm is alwaysdependent on the arch |
| 11:50.24 | simonrvn | kinda fixed my ; and k |
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| 11:50.35 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: cef anyway it seems to be in /arch/ thx. :) |
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| 11:50.46 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: Why are you so interested? |
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| 11:51.30 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: I'm learning system C programming with my study. I was curious about assembler code. |
| 11:51.47 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: Don't run before you can walk. |
| 11:52.02 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: just *curious* |
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| 11:52.05 | az[a]zel | SystemC ? |
| 11:52.10 | Phated | Don't chew before you can swallow, either. |
| 11:52.23 | jeanpoldeux | to see how it looks like |
| 11:52.28 | az[a]zel | used for describing hardware |
| 11:52.35 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: Aesthetics? |
| 11:52.42 | jeanpoldeux | it has been also said that assembler is voodoo ;) |
| 11:52.44 | az[a]zel | alternative to VHDL, verilog, etc |
| 11:53.19 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: yep, kind of |
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| 11:53.23 | cef | jeanpoldeux: haha assembler is hardly voodoo.. it's just so low level that people aren't used ot it |
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| 11:56.08 | uwai | ist jemand da der mir helfen kann ? dann bitte querry |
| 11:56.10 | uwai | danke |
| 11:56.17 | sussudio | !german |
| 11:56.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 11:56.37 | jeanpoldeux | mmm looks very epurated. Really basics allocations. I go back to my posix signals. ;) |
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| 11:58.49 | cef | jeanpoldeux: it's usually really simple stuff.. some of the optimisations use really nifty stuff.. but mainly it's all basic stuff. simple, effective, reliable. |
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| 11:59.25 | cef | jeanpoldeux: and the simpler the stuff, the easier it is to debug when there is an issue |
| 11:59.25 | AaronC | where the best channel for asking squirrel mail questions? |
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| 11:59.37 | thomas_adam | AaronC: Anywhere but here. |
| 11:59.44 | jeanpoldeux | cef yeah I saw. Interresting. |
| 11:59.53 | cef | AaronC: have you tried #squirrelmail by chance? |
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| 12:00.10 | Shortee | Hey guys |
| 12:00.20 | Shortee | I got Debian installed, but I'm having a problem |
| 12:00.26 | cef | AaronC: actually I can tell you haven't, since I'm actually in there..... try there |
| 12:00.43 | Shortee | Guerin, you there? |
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| 12:01.27 | Shortee | Can anybody help me? I just got Debian installed, and when I boot, it goes to the login, where is says "david Login:" |
| 12:01.32 | Shortee | I type "david" |
| 12:01.35 | Shortee | then my password |
| 12:01.39 | Shortee | and I'm in the terminal |
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| 12:01.53 | Shortee | How come it doesn't load to my desktop? |
| 12:01.55 | thomas_adam | Shortee: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 12:02.19 | uwai | Does anyboy know which modul i have to load for a intel pro/wireless lan 2100 3b card? |
| 12:02.34 | Shortee | 2o2 |
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| 12:02.37 | Shortee | wow* |
| 12:02.41 | Shortee | I gotta type ALL that? |
| 12:02.42 | Shortee | apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:02.51 | Phated | Shortee: Copy-paste. |
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| 12:03.11 | Shortee | Phated: its on a different PC |
| 12:03.17 | Shortee | or I wouldn't be talking... |
| 12:03.27 | thomas_adam | Shortee: The command you want is.... |
| 12:03.29 | Phated | Shortee: Ohhhhh. |
| 12:03.42 | Phated | Or, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 12:04.00 | Shortee | Phated: it also reboot after 30 secs of being in the terminal... |
| 12:04.05 | thomas_adam | Shortee: apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect xserver-xfree86 x-window-system |
| 12:04.11 | Phated | Shortee: How, ahh, pathetic. |
| 12:04.41 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Then check your logs. "last" is a good command there. |
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| 12:04.51 | Shortee | what? |
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| 12:05.10 | Shortee | brb, gotta type the X command |
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| 12:05.54 | hearsay | I just wanted to try out fvwm and came across the sloppy-focus again. Why would anyone use sloppy-focus (or focus follows mouse)? |
| 12:06.16 | az[a]zel | oh fuck |
| 12:06.24 | thomas_adam | hearsay: sloppyfocus means if you have a window focused and move the cursor into the root window, the window remains focused. |
| 12:06.32 | az[a]zel | I meant to type mv *.doc Documents and I type mv * .doc Documents |
| 12:06.41 | az[a]zel | note the space |
| 12:06.42 | Phated | az[a]zel: Youch. |
| 12:06.53 | thomas_adam | hearsay: for focusfollowmous, if the cursor hits the root window, the window that was focused loses focus. |
| 12:07.01 | thomas_adam | *focusfollowsmouse |
| 12:07.01 | az[a]zel | yay my whole home drive is in the documents directory |
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| 12:07.27 | Phated | az[a]zel: You poor, poor thing. |
| 12:07.43 | thomas_adam | hearsay: Of course, you should really be in #fvwm |
| 12:07.50 | thomas_adam | hearsay: (like I am) :) |
| 12:08.04 | Phated | !be thomas_adam barbie |
| 12:08.04 | dpkg | fvwm is sooo cool. Let's go shopping, teehee. |
| 12:08.05 | Shortee | thomas_adam: why is it rebooting? I can't get in long enough to login, su, and set up s |
| 12:08.07 | Shortee | x* |
| 12:08.27 | thomas_adam | Shortee: I have no idea without some accurate information that I know you're incapable of providing. |
| 12:08.40 | hearsay | thomas_adam: Yes, I know that, but I don't know the reason for this focus policy. |
| 12:08.42 | Shortee | What do you want? I'll try to find it. |
| 12:08.53 | Shortee | !be Shortee barbie |
| 12:09.00 | Shortee | :( |
| 12:09.06 | thomas_adam | hearsay: The reason is because "SloppyFocus" is how CDE operated. |
| 12:09.16 | thomas_adam | hearsay: Who cares? Just use one or t'other. |
| 12:09.30 | thomas_adam | hearsay: That's how we (the developers) wanted it. |
| 12:09.36 | thomas_adam | hearsay: Just choose. |
| 12:09.59 | thomas_adam | Shortee: tail /var/log/messages, and *read* it. |
| 12:10.01 | Phated | I'd go with a nice, steady focus, personally. |
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| 12:10.13 | Shortee | thomas_adam: what do you want to know, to fix my problem? |
| 12:10.32 | thomas_adam | hearsay: Contrary to 'ClickToFocus' policy, like how MS-Windows operates. |
| 12:10.51 | thomas_adam | < thomas_adam> | Shortee: tail /var/log/messages, and *read* it. |
| 12:11.04 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Use what synapses you have left, and paste it to #flood |
| 12:11.16 | Shortee | I'm on a different computer |
| 12:11.16 | arturaz | why libtiff3g is missing in sid? |
| 12:11.18 | Guerin | man |
| 12:11.24 | az[a]zel | heh, focus follows mouse confuses all the first/second year CS students |
| 12:11.25 | Shortee | I can't paste it :( |
| 12:11.27 | Guerin | guitar players must have massive pain tolerance |
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| 12:11.51 | az[a]zel | start typing away, then later realise that they've been typing into the desktop background, which achieved nothing |
| 12:11.54 | Guerin | 30 minutes of fumbling my way through major chords and my fingers are fucking killing me |
| 12:11.54 | thomas_adam | Shortee: You're irritating me. |
| 12:12.05 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Keep at it. You're needed! |
| 12:12.10 | Guerin | thomas_adam: gah |
| 12:12.17 | az[a]zel | Guerin: your fingers develop callouses (sp?) |
| 12:12.18 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Well, what do you expect? I'm on a different computer... |
| 12:12.23 | sime | laptop batteries, having a laptop on, fully charged and with an AC adapter pluged in ... is it considered overcharging ? |
| 12:12.25 | thomas_adam | Shortee: ssh + gpm. |
| 12:12.26 | Phated | Guerin: But you -are-. :) |
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| 12:12.35 | thomas_adam | sime: No. |
| 12:12.40 | Guerin | I don't remember violin being this bad, but then, I was only 9 when I was leanring the violin |
| 12:12.41 | Shortee | thomas_adam: ssh+gpm? |
| 12:12.41 | thomas_adam | sime: Trickle charging. |
| 12:12.51 | Guerin | axthey're gonna have to |
| 12:12.53 | Phated | Shortee: ssh + gpm. |
| 12:12.53 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Dear god, you really *don't* have a brain, do you? |
| 12:13.04 | Phated | thomas_adam: Mean, mean... |
| 12:13.10 | Shortee | thomas_adam: not about linux :) |
| 12:13.13 | thomas_adam | Shortee: ssh is a program, gpm is a program. |
| 12:13.16 | Guerin | Shortee knows nothing about computers |
| 12:13.18 | az[a]zel | a flame a day keeps the sanity away |
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| 12:13.28 | Phated | az[a]zel: Hah. :) |
| 12:13.29 | bob2 | right |
| 12:13.32 | Shortee | Guerin: I'm a previous Windows user. I was pretty good w/ it... |
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| 12:13.41 | az[a]zel | hahahahaha |
| 12:13.41 | bob2 | Guerin: chill |
| 12:13.46 | stiefem | is there a better alternative for minicom ? since i have bios with allows me to view the bios settings via serial, this doesn't work with minicom but it does work with hyperterminal (windows) |
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| 12:13.49 | k-god | Phated: FWIW, my orignal question was on the basis of having the old version of the posessed box in hand backed up on a Debian system and wondering if there were toosl to read Registry files. Turns out 'strings' *was* working, but MSFT wasn't cooperating. |
| 12:14.00 | thomas_adam | stiefem: better how? |
| 12:14.11 | Phated | k-god: Errrr... Not that I remember asking for a novel, but OK. |
| 12:14.14 | Guerin | bob2: I've been step-by-stepping him for about two hours... it not untrue. |
| 12:14.17 | Shortee | thomas_adam: I doubt I could get anything running and copied/pasted in 30 seconds... |
| 12:14.28 | k-god | Phated: Trust me, I do feel I need to justify my transgression here. |
| 12:14.28 | Shortee | Guerin: its a really odd error |
| 12:14.38 | stiefem | thomas_adam, i don't know for sure, but minicom doesn't seem to work for me |
| 12:14.39 | Guerin | Shortee: I missed it, what was it? |
| 12:14.44 | k-god | stiefem: Can you cat serial directly? |
| 12:14.49 | thomas_adam | Shortee: It would be difficult to help you without seeing something of these errors. Does it reboot at set intervals or is it intermittent? |
| 12:14.50 | Phated | k-god: Ahh, all right then. Being a Debian/Win98 dual-booter as well, I can sympathise. :) |
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| 12:15.05 | thomas_adam | Shortee: It could, and might be hardware related. |
| 12:15.07 | stiefem | thomas_adam, while i've configured it the same, 115200,8,n,1 |
| 12:15.08 | Shortee | Guerin: My PC reboot after 20-30 seconds of being in the Terminal |
| 12:15.11 | k-god | Phated: Actually, the intent is to provide a current 'Doze user with an alternative. |
| 12:15.19 | Guerin | Shortee: yeah, that's fucked. |
| 12:15.29 | stiefem | k-god: well i also need to interact with it so simply catting isn't sufficient for my needds |
| 12:15.30 | Shortee | Guerin: did it ever happen to you? |
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| 12:15.36 | Phated | k-god: Lucky whoever it is. :) And I've switched almost completely from Windows To Debian now. :) |
| 12:15.38 | Guerin | Shortee: never. Any error message? |
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| 12:15.43 | iceman | is it possible to somehow cat /dev/dsp into a .wav file? |
| 12:15.45 | thomas_adam | Shortee: the "last" command would help you here. |
| 12:15.50 | Shortee | Guerin: no, its just suddenly reboots |
| 12:15.50 | az[a]zel | I've seen Linux random reboot once |
| 12:15.54 | Shortee | alright, I'll try it |
| 12:15.54 | thomas_adam | iceman: man sox |
| 12:16.01 | az[a]zel | copying 400MB of files from an NTFS partition |
| 12:16.16 | Guerin | Shortee: you're using debian from the d-i now, aren't you? |
| 12:16.18 | Phated | az[a]zel: All to the same Documents dir? |
| 12:16.20 | az[a]zel | ntfs driver must've been crapola |
| 12:16.32 | stiefem | are there any other terminal programs besides minicom ? |
| 12:16.33 | az[a]zel | Phated: nah, didn't make it that far |
| 12:16.53 | thomas_adam | stiefem: http://freshmeat.net |
| 12:16.53 | Phated | az[a]zel: Ohh, ood. :) |
| 12:16.56 | Phated | good* |
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| 12:17.00 | simonrvn | cleaned the kbd.... |
| 12:17.01 | thomas_adam | stiefem: apt-cache search |
| 12:17.02 | az[a]zel | not that I use terminal programs |
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| 12:17.17 | az[a]zel | I wish I knew about Linux in high school |
| 12:17.19 | Phated | simonrvn: Yay. :) |
| 12:17.23 | simonrvn | i'm going to refrain from mentioning what was in there.... |
| 12:17.24 | Guerin | az[a]zel: same here. |
| 12:17.28 | optix | Hello - I was wondering, which floppies do I need for a Debian install? |
| 12:17.31 | Phated | az[a]zel: Pretend you're me. Now you do. :) |
| 12:17.34 | optix | (or do I need all 16?) |
| 12:17.37 | Shortee | thomas_adam: I got the log |
| 12:17.39 | az[a]zel | Guerin: I was using Dos and win95 like a clueless person :| |
| 12:17.40 | Guerin | az[a]zel: I can't help thinking how lucky all these younguns of today are... |
| 12:17.43 | simonrvn | optix: root.bin boot.bin for woody |
| 12:17.48 | Shortee | reboot system boot 2.3.25010386 |
| 12:18.14 | Guerin | Shortee: that's the output of last? |
| 12:18.24 | thomas_adam | Shortee: anything noteworthy in /var/log/messages |
| 12:18.25 | Shortee | yea |
| 12:18.36 | Shortee | thomas_adam: how do I view that? |
| 12:18.43 | thomas_adam | Shortee: more /var/log/messages |
| 12:18.50 | Shortee | what do I type? |
| 12:19.01 | optix | simonrvn, I don't find them? |
| 12:19.02 | az[a]zel | tail -50 /var/log/messages | less |
| 12:19.28 | thomas_adam | az[a]zel: That file won't be as large, straight after an install. |
| 12:19.28 | optix | all I see are base-1.bin through 16 |
| 12:19.34 | optix | err... 20 |
| 12:19.42 | Shortee | thomas_adam: then what do I do/ |
| 12:19.50 | simonrvn | optix: around there, not quite. look for images-144 or such |
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| 12:19.50 | thomas_adam | Shortee: You go to the end, and you read it. |
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| 12:19.58 | Shortee | alright |
| 12:20.06 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Use your brain - look for something obvious that might indicate your HW is fucked. |
| 12:20.08 | optix | simonrvn, I found it, but there's no root or boot |
| 12:20.08 | RolandU | hi all, does ext3/4 need defragmentation? |
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| 12:20.13 | thomas_adam | RolandU: No. |
| 12:20.15 | az[a]zel | Shortee: see if it says stuff like "holy crap, we're FUBAR, going down!!! " well not quite |
| 12:20.22 | thomas_adam | RolandU: It's a journaled FS. |
| 12:20.27 | thomas_adam | ext4? |
| 12:20.37 | RolandU | but ext 3 isn't |
| 12:20.39 | simonrvn | optix: put it this way, you're in the right directory set ;) |
| 12:20.43 | thomas_adam | RolandU: Yes it is. |
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| 12:20.52 | RolandU | then I must have misunderstood what 4 is |
| 12:21.03 | thomas_adam | RolandU: You have a serious misconception. |
| 12:21.04 | az[a]zel | ext4 is the phantom filesystem |
| 12:21.09 | optix | simonrvn, so I guess I just need base-1.bin and base-2? |
| 12:21.10 | Phated | RolandU: Here's what ext4 is : Nonexistent. |
| 12:21.16 | simonrvn | optix: no |
| 12:21.21 | RolandU | oh |
| 12:21.24 | simonrvn | optix: root.bin boot.bin |
| 12:21.26 | RolandU | then it was 2 and 3 |
| 12:21.27 | thomas_adam | RolandU: ext2/ext3 |
| 12:21.32 | simonrvn | optix: hold on |
| 12:21.32 | Phated | RolandU: Yes. |
| 12:21.32 | optix | simonrvn, I only found those base-* files |
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| 12:21.40 | RolandU | so ext 2 is non-journaled? |
| 12:21.42 | thomas_adam | RolandU: Of which, ext2 is not journaled. |
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| 12:21.47 | Phated | RolandU: Yes. |
| 12:21.51 | RolandU | so, ext2 needs defrag? |
| 12:21.55 | thomas_adam | RolandU: ext3 is just ext2 with a journal on the end of it. |
| 12:21.58 | thomas_adam | RolandU: NO. |
| 12:22.00 | az[a]zel | RolandU: not really |
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| 12:22.02 | bob2 | huh? |
| 12:22.06 | thomas_adam | RolandU: There is no such thing as a defrag,. |
| 12:22.10 | Phated | Who the -hell- needs to defrag Linux fsés? |
| 12:22.12 | bob2 | journalling and fragementation have nothing to do with each other |
| 12:22.17 | az[a]zel | RolandU: it dynamically allocates blocks in order to reduce fragmentation on the fly |
| 12:22.41 | RolandU | so, what do I do if the pc is just sitting around has nothing to do? |
| 12:22.44 | az[a]zel | Reiserfs4 will have fragmentation, but will run a defrag thread concurrently, aparantly.. defragging on the fly |
| 12:22.48 | Shortee | thomas_adam: nothing good |
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| 12:22.49 | thomas_adam | RolandU: Be happy. |
| 12:22.56 | Shortee | thomas_adam: just finding usb ports... |
| 12:22.58 | Phated | RolandU: Install Debian on it and play. |
| 12:23.06 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Then run memtest86 from a lnx-bbc CD. |
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| 12:23.20 | Shortee | whats a lnx-bbc CD? |
| 12:23.27 | thomas_adam | !tel Shortee about lnx-bbc |
| 12:23.36 | zinx | RolandU: well, you can have it troll right along with you :P |
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| 12:23.42 | thomas_adam | Shortee: www.lnx-bbc.org |
| 12:23.42 | Phated | thomas_adam: Give up, just give up. :) |
| 12:23.43 | az[a]zel | thomas_adam: I've had random reboots in Linux with my current ram, but memtest86 hasn't picked it up |
| 12:23.46 | Shortee | !tell Shorte about lnx-bbc |
| 12:23.53 | thomas_adam | az[a]zel: That's not unusual. |
| 12:24.03 | az[a]zel | thomas_adam: if I boot with FSB == 133, the BIOS will reboot during the ram test |
| 12:24.07 | Shortee | !tell Shortee about lnx-bbc |
| 12:24.13 | az[a]zel | thomas_adam: if I skip the ram test.. Linux will reboot randomly |
| 12:24.26 | thomas_adam | az[a]zel: That's a pre-init state. |
| 12:24.37 | Phated | Shortee: You should have got a /msg from dpkg already, quit playing with it. |
| 12:24.38 | Saw^ | Can I somehow order (in KDE) in which desktop a window is created when I run a program (without being in that desktop) eg. in konsole |
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| 12:24.53 | thomas_adam | Saw^: #kde |
| 12:24.55 | Phated | Saw^: #kde |
| 12:24.59 | Shortee | Phated: he type "tel" and then I type "Shorte" |
| 12:25.04 | RolandU | ok, thank you and good bye |
| 12:25.09 | Phated | Shortee: yeesh. |
| 12:25.16 | Shortee | g2g |
| 12:25.20 | thomas_adam | Good good. |
| 12:25.28 | thomas_adam | I mean, bye bye. |
| 12:25.33 | Shortee | I just woke up, and my mom says...read, no PC... |
| 12:25.44 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Go and grow. |
| 12:25.46 | Shortee | and she wouldn't let me make a deal |
| 12:25.47 | Shortee | lol |
| 12:25.47 | az[a]zel | cya kid |
| 12:25.54 | simonrvn | optix: ftp.debian.org:/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44 and ftp.debian.org:/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/ |
| 12:26.01 | thomas_adam | Sunday.... |
| 12:26.04 | Shortee | thomas_adam, Phated, az[a]zel: Peace out |
| 12:26.10 | Guerin | /me wonders why his box is randomly rebooting with debian when it worked fine with morphix |
| 12:26.10 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Word!" |
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| 12:26.24 | thomas_adam | Guerin: I really couldn't say. |
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| 12:26.30 | Phated | Peace. out? Who the hell...? |
| 12:26.40 | optix | Will Debian recognize a Netgear FA411 out of the box? |
| 12:26.41 | thomas_adam | Must be American slang. |
| 12:26.49 | helen | hello |
| 12:26.52 | thomas_adam | optix: No, it has to be in a PCI sloy. |
| 12:27.04 | Phated | thomas_adam: Aye, very, very outdated one, too. :) |
| 12:27.09 | Phated | helen: Hello. |
| 12:27.26 | optix | thomas_adam, This is a laptop. |
| 12:27.27 | amal | hi I want to create boot floppy to read linux-in-ext-cdrom that is plugged via USB. is it possible? |
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| 12:27.58 | helen | What is a secure way to allow a user to halt a system? (maybe someone can also recommend me a document which deals with such fundamental questions) |
| 12:28.02 | bob2 | amal: anything is possible |
| 12:28.08 | Phated | helen: Halt? |
| 12:28.14 | bob2 | amal: mkboot can probably do it |
| 12:28.15 | Guerin | helen: man shutdown tells you about a shutdown.allow file |
| 12:28.15 | Phated | I mean, the command halt? |
| 12:28.23 | bob2 | helen: sudo or "man shutdown" is what you want |
| 12:28.49 | helen | Phated, init 0 |
| 12:28.57 | amal | bob2: thx. I'll try to read the document |
| 12:29.15 | Phated | helen: Go with Guerin and bob2's advice, you'll be far better off. |
| 12:29.15 | helen | okay thank you, I'll have a look at it |
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| 12:29.56 | bob2 | helen: sudo is a general tool for letting people run programs as other users, but shutdown has it's own mechanism for it as well. |
| 12:30.00 | huhlig__ | anyone here awake? |
| 12:30.10 | Guerin | huhlig__: no, only us bots. |
| 12:30.14 | Phated | huhlig__: Are you blind? |
| 12:30.36 | huhlig__ | quite |
| 12:30.41 | Guerin | rather |
| 12:30.45 | huhlig | and I just fixed it |
| 12:30.47 | huhlig | whootie |
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| 12:31.40 | Phated | Whootie. Should be glad it isn't w00t. |
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| 12:32.17 | simonrvn | or prootie |
| 12:32.28 | Phated | simonrvn: Or, er... YOu know. :) |
| 12:32.40 | optix | simonrvn, can debian do a network install via CMCIA card? |
| 12:32.43 | obfucius | hi |
| 12:32.44 | optix | *PCMCIA |
| 12:33.02 | Phated | obfucius: Hello. |
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| 12:33.15 | huhlig | so who all is joining me at linuxworld this year |
| 12:33.28 | Phated | huhlig: Don't know, don't care. |
| 12:33.35 | huhlig | we still need booth manners and better booth babes then microsoft |
| 12:33.46 | simonrvn | optix: um, depends if the install can see it or not... read the install guide |
| 12:33.56 | simonrvn | optix: install kernel, sorry |
| 12:34.05 | Guerin | hrm, wtf, some mp3 I just downloaded are playing at half speed |
| 12:34.11 | Phated | huhlig: Get outta here. "Booth babes"? |
| 12:34.12 | Guerin | or fucking slow, anyway |
| 12:34.14 | optix | and it sorta sucked. |
| 12:34.20 | Phated | Guerin: Sucky encoding? |
| 12:34.33 | simonrvn | huhlig: "booth babes"? |
| 12:34.34 | az[a]zel | everyone who is cool goes to linux.conf.au |
| 12:34.35 | Guerin | Phated: I don't know what kind of sucky enconding it might be |
| 12:34.45 | Phated | Guerin: Dunno, half-speed encoding? |
| 12:34.46 | directhex | Guerin, 22khz? |
| 12:34.55 | Phated | Guerin: Or your system? |
| 12:35.19 | directhex | Guerin, if you have mplayer set to srate 44100, try playing with mplayer |
| 12:35.32 | Phated | simonrvn: Yeah, exactly. It implies girls are only good enough to be "booth babes" at Linux cons... :@ |
| 12:35.39 | fatal | I use ISO-8859-1 (sv_SE) and I'm trying to edit an UTF-8 file with: LC_ALL="sv_SE.UTF-8" vim sv.po .... this doesn't work though.... I still get crippled utf8 characters.... what would be the easiest way to temporarily switch to UTF8? |
| 12:35.41 | Guerin | hrm, seems it didn't like the fact that my guitar tuner app was running at the same time |
| 12:35.55 | simonrvn | fatal: build the locale |
| 12:36.00 | Phated | Guerin: Most probably... Two programs wresting over your soundcard, |
| 12:36.01 | Phated | . |
| 12:36.01 | fatal | simonrvn: I have it... |
| 12:36.02 | az[a]zel | Phated: "Booth Brains" |
| 12:36.04 | Guerin | they have an equivalent over here |
| 12:36.05 | simonrvn | Phated: yeh, really. like wtf |
| 12:36.09 | Phated | az[a]zel: Heh. |
| 12:36.11 | Guerin | shop-opening babes |
| 12:36.15 | simonrvn | fatal: read the utf8 howto next |
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| 12:36.27 | Phated | simonrvn: Yeah, like WTBFH indeed. |
| 12:36.32 | fatal | simonrvn: do you have an url? |
| 12:36.34 | directhex | huhlig, you could ask helix to wear a bikini & be abooth babe. i'm sure she'd love the idea -_- |
| 12:36.44 | Phated | directhex: I want to watch that happening. |
| 12:36.52 | Guerin | whenever there's a new shop opening, or a product launch or asnything, they have these mini-skirted, knee-booted boob-tubed dancing girls out on the streen in front of the shop to try and entice weary salaryment in |
| 12:36.52 | az[a]zel | directhex: don't awake the beast! |
| 12:36.52 | simonrvn | fatal: like most of them, they are housed at www.tldp.org |
| 12:36.53 | Phated | directhex: The asking, that is. |
| 12:36.57 | directhex | Phated, me too =] |
| 12:37.21 | Phated | directhex: "Helix, will you.... ... ... " "*FLAMES*" :) |
| 12:37.22 | Penix | you could have the "booth babes" testing the latest daily d-i build to show that they're not just pretty faces |
| 12:37.26 | Guerin | s/streen/street/ |
| 12:37.32 | helen | "shutdown -a" checks if the person that executes the command is in /etc/shutdown.allow, doesn't it? because the manpage says "Only if one of those authorized users or root is logged in, it will proceed." That seems to me that if root is logged in and I am only a normal user I can shutdown the system with the preceding command |
| 12:37.34 | Phated | Penix: How about compiling the kernels. :) |
| 12:37.40 | helix | Penix: the latest daily d-i builds are pretty much just pressing enter |
| 12:37.41 | Phated | Guerin: Grrr. |
| 12:37.45 | Guerin | helen: yes |
| 12:37.52 | Penix | helix: yeah, realized that after I said it :\ |
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| 12:37.56 | directhex | or you could not have scantilly clad women parading around to attract horny geekboys -_- |
| 12:38.08 | thomas_adam | helix: xhelix is ready. |
| 12:38.09 | helix | directhex: they don't really need to be scantily clad |
| 12:38.12 | naim | naim, :: ?? |
| 12:38.14 | thomas_adam | helix: packaging in a few hours. |
| 12:38.17 | Phated | directhex: Yeah, you could attract geekboys on the basis of your product's merit. |
| 12:38.24 | helix | thomas_adam: w00t |
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| 12:38.52 | directhex | Phated, helix, judging by the last few trade shows i've been to, booth babes are par for the course -_- |
| 12:38.56 | Guerin | actually, given the calibre of most geek boys, I'd figure that just having a big sign saying OMFG CHIX0RZ would be enough |
| 12:39.05 | simonrvn | haha |
| 12:39.06 | helix | trade shows are stupid |
| 12:39.14 | directhex | never said they weren't |
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| 12:39.29 | jeanpoldeux | I cannot attach my stand-alone irssi to an existing screen session ? |
| 12:39.31 | Phated | directhex: Grr. |
| 12:39.38 | simonrvn | trade show == "excuse to have a 3 day long ad, plastered all over the place" |
| 12:39.52 | az[a]zel | free t-shirts |
| 12:40.01 | helen | Guerin, is it verablised inaccurately in the man page or is it my lack of understanding the english language? |
| 12:40.01 | simonrvn | jeanpoldeux: existing irssi session? |
| 12:40.02 | az[a]zel | you get to be a walking billboard |
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| 12:40.11 | Penix | wonder if the lesser companies have less attractive women |
| 12:40.11 | directhex | Phated, and those were games industry trade shows, you can imaging the only way to promote the worst games involves the shortest skirts of the show |
| 12:40.22 | Phated | directhex: GRRR. |
| 12:40.31 | az[a]zel | directhex: I'm so there |
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| 12:40.38 | Phated | az[a]zel: Their -only- benefit? :) |
| 12:40.48 | jeanpoldeux | simonrvn: I have irssi in its own terminal, I would like to attach it to my screen session where I have emacs and mpg123. |
| 12:40.56 | simonrvn | nope |
| 12:41.03 | simonrvn | /quit |
| 12:41.05 | az[a]zel | I can't even say titmouse without giggling like a school girl, tee-hee te he heee |
| 12:41.22 | directhex | Phated, Running With Scissors' awful Postal 2 as an example. they had three almost-naked women touring the convention area with game logos on their (torn) t-shirts. and two bouncers. doesn't make the game better -_- |
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| 12:41.29 | Penix | Why would anyone wanna touch a girls butt? That's where cooties come from! |
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| 12:41.35 | Phated | directhex: Heh. :) |
| 12:41.40 | SwordFsh | how i set user own files for one nfs mount ? |
| 12:41.53 | Phated | az[a]zel: Blue tit too, eh? |
| 12:41.53 | simonrvn | SwordFsh: what? |
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| 12:42.02 | thomas_adam | SwordFsh: Eh? |
| 12:42.05 | simonrvn | SwordFsh: you mean chmod / chown ? |
| 12:42.12 | Guerin | helen: it is unclear, actually. |
| 12:42.15 | thomas_adam | SwordFsh: SUID bit on the dir? ;) |
| 12:42.25 | SwordFsh | simonrvn, nep .. theat dir is one nfs and chown don`t work |
| 12:42.34 | Guerin | helen: I don't have a box I can afford to bring down now to test it, but give it a crack and see what happens. |
| 12:42.49 | helen | Guerin, "/etc/shutdown.allow is not used to find out who is executing shutdown, it ONLY checks who is currently logged in on (one of the) console(s)" |
| 12:43.04 | thomas_adam | helix: What are you wanting to do? |
| 12:43.04 | Penix | ffs I hate vmware |
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| 12:43.13 | simonrvn | helen: and if no oneis logged in, ctrl-alt-del doesn't work, for instance |
| 12:43.14 | helix | thomas_adam: what? |
| 12:43.15 | helen | Guerin, that isn't very secure is it? |
| 12:43.22 | Penix | and ffs I hate testing data destroying things without it |
| 12:43.24 | thomas_adam | helix: Who? :) |
| 12:43.27 | helix | . |
| 12:43.32 | thomas_adam | helix: wopps. |
| 12:43.34 | Guerin | helen: Have you tried it? |
| 12:43.40 | thomas_adam | helen: what are you trying to do? |
| 12:43.43 | thomas_adam | helix: Sorry. |
| 12:43.50 | helix | oh |
| 12:43.53 | helen | Guerin, nope |
| 12:43.56 | simonrvn | shutdown.allow is teh sux0r |
| 12:43.59 | Guerin | helen: note that if thre shutdown.allow file is empty, only root can shit down, so it's not all the insecure by default |
| 12:44.05 | Penix | heh |
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| 12:44.07 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Nice typo. |
| 12:44.11 | simonrvn | shitdown? :) |
| 12:44.14 | jeanpoldeux | shit down hahaha |
| 12:44.21 | Phated | me laughs. |
| 12:44.41 | Guerin | I blame my numb fret-fingers |
| 12:44.42 | thomas_adam | helen: You know about 'sudo' since that has been mentioned LOTS of times to you. |
| 12:44.47 | Phated | Guerin: Too much ugitar, mate. |
| 12:45.00 | simonrvn | that's what you do in the washroom, silly |
| 12:45.01 | Phated | guitar* |
| 12:45.10 | Penix | ugitar sounds like some sort of herbal medicine |
| 12:45.12 | helen | thomas_adam, yes, but I wanted to have a look first to shutdown -a |
| 12:45.20 | thomas_adam | helen: I see. |
| 12:45.21 | helen | thomas_adam, I see, now I have to use sudo |
| 12:45.24 | simonrvn | or some gui tar util |
| 12:45.26 | Phated | Penix: Heh. :) |
| 12:45.35 | thomas_adam | helen: It's fine to want to ignore advice. We're all used to that here. |
| 12:45.39 | Phated | simonrvn: No, that would be GUItar. :) |
| 12:45.58 | simonrvn | Phated: 'dere go my GEEEEtah! |
| 12:46.11 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: You'd fit right in, at London. |
| 12:46.21 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: eh? |
| 12:46.40 | Guerin | thomas_adam: in fairness, both bob2 and I told her about the manpage... |
| 12:46.40 | simonrvn | what's "at London"? |
| 12:46.50 | helen | thomas_adam, I didn't ignore an advice, but I am not capable to follow two advice at the same time. what's your point? |
| 12:46.58 | bob2 | you know |
| 12:47.04 | bob2 | it'd be cool if we didn't attack people |
| 12:47.13 | bob2 | how about, if you don't have anything nice to say, stfu? |
| 12:47.16 | directhex | bob2, i think it's sorta ingrained into some psyches |
| 12:47.24 | hlen | bob2, that's all these kids do |
| 12:47.32 | bob2 | hah |
| 12:47.49 | az[a]zel | just tried to download one crappy song because it's in my head.. and everyone is sharing crap that doesn't play |
| 12:48.03 | simonrvn | bob2: kinda like some grandmass used to say "if you don't have anything nice to say, be quiet". or modern "nothing nice to say? STFU then" |
| 12:48.15 | Penix | probably riaa whores spreading the shit |
| 12:48.16 | simonrvn | s/mass/mas/ |
| 12:48.16 | thomas_adam | az[a]zel: Go buy the CD? |
| 12:48.19 | directhex | if i get one of the jobs i'm trying for, then i get to be a bitter twisted sysadmin & i'll join in in lashing out at people |
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| 12:48.40 | az[a]zel | thomas_adam: no way, it's pop crap.. I was just curious about it |
| 12:48.54 | thomas_adam | az[a]zel: Maybe an hearing test, then? ;) |
| 12:49.01 | simonrvn | directhex: i just get bitter and twisted at the attempted 'sploits and spammers that hit the node ;) |
| 12:49.09 | Penix | speaking of pop crap, the britney spears - toxic instrumental is funky |
| 12:49.13 | Penix | tolerable song without the vocals |
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| 12:49.17 | bob2 | simonrvn: yes! |
| 12:49.26 | Phated | Penix: Yeha, too true and unfortunate. |
| 12:49.28 | thomas_adam | Beta band. |
| 12:49.33 | az[a]zel | nothing with "Britney Speers" in the title is good |
| 12:49.37 | Penix | beta band are teh shiznit |
| 12:49.38 | moga | i have upgraded my kernel from 2.2.20 to 2.4.18-k7, everything went fine exept that i can't boot without mouse and keybord |
| 12:49.53 | Phated | az[a]zel: Which is why we don't want the song, just the music, minus Britney. |
| 12:49.54 | moga | how can i tweak the 2.4.18-k7 to boot without mouse and keybord |
| 12:49.56 | thomas_adam | moga: modprpbe psmouse mousedev ? |
| 12:50.07 | thomas_adam | moga: Oh, conflicts? Don't plug your mouse in. :) |
| 12:50.11 | Guerin | moga: the kernel shouldn't care about mouse and kbd |
| 12:50.18 | Phated | WHy would anyone want to boot without a mouse and keyboard? |
| 12:50.24 | thomas_adam | Phated: I do. |
| 12:50.25 | Guerin | Phated: headless |
| 12:50.30 | Phated | Guerin: :) |
| 12:50.33 | Phated | thomas_adam: Eh? |
| 12:50.35 | bob2 | moga: your BIOS probablly minds a lot |
| 12:50.36 | simonrvn | headless boxen |
| 12:50.37 | thomas_adam | Phated: Server. |
| 12:50.39 | az[a]zel | heh britney was funny in f9/11... "I think we should trust our president. I'm a big bimbo. My manager told me to say this." well I made most of that up |
| 12:50.42 | bob2 | moga: there may be an option to make it not care |
| 12:50.43 | Guerin | Phated: not brainless, headless. |
| 12:51.09 | thomas_adam | Phated: no monitor, keyboard or mouse. |
| 12:51.26 | directhex | don't wanna know what you've been up to, az[a]zel |
| 12:51.27 | simonrvn | az[a]zel: fairly accurate until the first period. in your quote. (i heard the line on the b00b t00b the other day) |
| 12:51.28 | _rene_ | Phated: serial console + ssh to access it |
| 12:51.30 | directhex | :| |
| 12:51.42 | az[a]zel | directhex: spending too much time sitting in front of the computer, that's what |
| 12:51.54 | Guerin | programmer's hunch |
| 12:51.56 | thomas_adam | Here, it is very sunny and hot. |
| 12:51.59 | _rene_ | my alpha has no keyboard, mouse and monitor either |
| 12:52.08 | az[a]zel | simonrvn: yeah, the other stuff was implied in her speech :) |
| 12:52.27 | Guerin | it's down to 29degC here... and not even 2200 yet! |
| 12:52.30 | az[a]zel | I have to change my code to use a hash table because it's too slow |
| 12:52.39 | simonrvn | bob2: e.g. i null-route people like this: SMTP protocol violation: synchronization error (next input sent too soon): rejected "MAIL FROM:<qooq1689@yahoo.com.tw>" H=218-34-212-106.cm.dynamic.apol.com.tw (nuit.ca) [218.34.212.106]:12324 |
| 12:52.43 | moga | okay I done modprobe mousedev ... nothing happend |
| 12:52.45 | simonrvn | az[a]zel: yeh :) |
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| 12:53.13 | simonrvn | moga: error 0 is a normal exit code. means everything went well |
| 12:53.14 | thomas_adam | moga: It did. :) You just don't see any output. |
| 12:53.24 | moga | thomas_adam, it refuse to boot the kernel without the mouse pluged |
| 12:53.33 | thomas_adam | moga: so unplug it. |
| 12:53.39 | Guerin | moga: you mean it won't pass BIOS ? |
| 12:53.52 | thomas_adam | moga: Or look for a bootparam in the howto at tldp.org, or google. |
| 12:54.09 | tarzeau | bob2, helix bom dias |
| 12:54.17 | tarzeau | swimming with the duck! |
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| 12:54.32 | moga | it passes bios ... loads the kernel ... writes a lot of ................. then writes : Ok booting kernel and stops |
| 12:54.42 | Guerin | moga: weirdness |
| 12:54.43 | andres | hello to all this fine morning est |
| 12:54.46 | bob2 | tarzeau: aloha |
| 12:54.47 | thomas_adam | moga: HW faulty. |
| 12:54.51 | karlfr | simonrvn, you don't have the 218/24 blocked? You're more polite than me. |
| 12:54.51 | bob2 | tarzeau: oh, have fun! |
| 12:54.52 | helix | thomas_adam: gruezi wohl |
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| 12:55.17 | moga | with the mouse everything goes fine |
| 12:55.24 | simonrvn | karlfr: i do have small sections blocked off but no large swaths |
| 12:55.26 | bob2 | simonrvn: hmmm, I should hook postfix into my firewall rules |
| 12:55.32 | thomas_adam | helix: Umm, pardon? |
| 12:55.34 | andres | guerin do u want to try and restore my sound ? im using that kernel 2.6.7-1-686 after i install the other day i dont have sound? |
| 12:55.42 | simonrvn | bob2: that's a thought |
| 12:55.48 | Guerin | andres: got your modules loaded? |
| 12:55.50 | simonrvn | bob2: hmmm |
| 12:55.50 | thomas_adam | andres: what soundcard? |
| 12:56.02 | helix | thomas_adam: doh, that was for tarzeau |
| 12:56.02 | Guerin | !alsa for morons |
| 12:56.02 | dpkg | alsa for morons is, like, 1) remove all sound-related kernel modules 2) run alsaconfig 3) disable all sound servers 4) hope |
| 12:56.08 | thomas_adam | helix: :D |
| 12:56.11 | andres | i try to run alsactl and i got no sound card found |
| 12:56.14 | Guerin | andres: ^^ try that first ... it might work |
| 12:56.30 | andres | i have a sound blaster platinum |
| 12:56.38 | Guerin | !alsa for morons =~ s/alsaconfig/alsaconf/ |
| 12:56.38 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
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| 12:56.41 | andres | how do i load my modules? |
| 12:56.46 | directhex | nice factoid, Guerin |
| 12:57.09 | andres | ok so lets not use alsa lets use whatever gives me sound |
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| 12:57.13 | moga | 2.4.18-k7 needed to insert iitrd=/initrd.img in lilo.conf .... i did it ... it seem to boot from some virtual ram device |
| 12:57.20 | Guerin | andres: no, you want to use alsa |
| 12:57.24 | andres | y? |
| 12:57.36 | Guerin | andres: try that scheme up there first ^^ |
| 12:57.50 | bob2 | moga: yes |
| 12:57.58 | andres | from root? |
| 12:58.06 | Guerin | andres: yes |
| 12:58.51 | andres | .... ~ s/alsaconfif/alsaconfig/ is that the right command? |
| 12:58.59 | Guerin | andres: no, sorry |
| 12:59.05 | Guerin | andres: just alsaconf |
| 12:59.10 | andres | ok |
| 12:59.19 | Guerin | andres: you might need to apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils first |
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| 12:59.51 | andres | ok lemme c |
| 12:59.56 | sap | when using debootstrap, is it normal to get errors like this: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of base-config |
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| 13:00.05 | thomas_adam | sap: No. |
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| 13:00.05 | sap | dpkg: error processing console-common (--configure): |
| 13:00.05 | dpkg | sap: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 13:00.06 | andres | the alsaconfigurator is opening up now |
| 13:00.08 | Guerin | sap: most certainly not |
| 13:00.12 | thomas_adam | sap: #flood |
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| 13:00.28 | sap | thomas_adam: ok |
| 13:00.30 | bob2 | sap: use cdebootstrap |
| 13:00.42 | bob2 | sap: you'll need sid's debootstrap to install sid, btw |
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| 13:01.10 | sap | bob2: i'm trying to get sarge on my laptop's hard disk |
| 13:01.17 | moga | thomas_adam, it I have to tun this server with a mouse plugged i will hate you til the last of my fisical days come |
| 13:01.28 | thomas_adam | moga: Um, thank you. |
| 13:01.29 | andres | i ran the alsaconf and it says it found the sound card but when i ran alsactl it says no cards found? |
| 13:01.29 | bob2 | then you also need sid's debootstrap |
| 13:01.37 | bob2 | moga: huh? |
| 13:01.49 | thomas_adam | moga: My help ends right there. |
| 13:01.56 | moga | dont let me down ... :((( |
| 13:01.59 | moga | :) |
| 13:02.00 | Guerin | andres: lsmod |grep snd into #flood, if you please |
| 13:02.08 | andres | ok |
| 13:02.13 | desrow | andres: you're not alone in this world . same for me |
| 13:02.23 | Guerin | andres: wait until sap is finished |
| 13:02.33 | Phated | moga: Insulting someone who tries to help you == bad idea. :| |
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| 13:03.07 | concu | hey |
| 13:03.08 | andres | like a week now |
| 13:03.16 | Phated | greycat: Probably less than I. |
| 13:03.26 | moga | phated come on .. it wasn't a insulting ... just kidding ...:) |
| 13:03.32 | andres | ok very nice how do i copy pste from the command line? |
| 13:03.35 | Guerin | andres, desrow ok, into #flood now, hurry along |
| 13:03.35 | concu | can someone help me!! everytimes i start gnome pager and when i restart and login X i got message "The Application "wnck-applet" has quit unexpectedly"? |
| 13:03.40 | bob2 | moga: you're more likely to get help if you're not a dick |
| 13:03.57 | Phated | moga: Either way. You don't tell someone who's trying to help you that you'll hate them, if you actually want help. *shrugs* |
| 13:04.08 | greycat | concu: have you tried #gnome yet? |
| 13:04.20 | andres | guerin: how do i cpy paste from root im not in a kosole |
| 13:04.44 | andres | wait up ill try the console then |
| 13:04.45 | Guerin | andres: /exec -o command will spit the output into the irc channel |
| 13:04.51 | The_Vulture | I think he was just kidding, not being a dick, perhaps a language/context issue |
| 13:04.52 | Guerin | andres: do it in #flood though, not here |
| 13:04.57 | andres | ok |
| 13:05.03 | sap | bob2: is there any particular reason to use cdebootstrap? |
| 13:05.11 | az[a]zel | he should've added a smiley to the end of it then |
| 13:05.12 | Phated | The_Vulture: "Hate", I think, is pretyt much universal. |
| 13:05.19 | Phated | az[a]zel: :) <- Heh. |
| 13:05.28 | bob2 | sap: because it doesn't have that bug? |
| 13:05.31 | az[a]zel | I think your a big dick and I hate you. vs I think your a big dick and I hate you :) |
| 13:05.40 | The_Vulture | Phated: yes, but said in the right context it can be used jokingly |
| 13:05.46 | zinx | az[a]zel: "you're" |
| 13:05.49 | Phated | The_Vulture: This was not the right time. :) |
| 13:05.53 | az[a]zel | zinx: bah |
| 13:06.00 | az[a]zel | zinx: bah :) |
| 13:06.04 | zinx | ;) |
| 13:06.31 | The_Vulture | Phated: from his perspective it might have been, I'm just saying it wasn't necessarily dickishness or meant with any kind of malice |
| 13:06.36 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* |
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| 13:06.50 | Phated | The_Vulture: Hm... Could be said, I suppose. :) *shrugs* |
| 13:07.01 | az[a]zel | dickishness, there's one for the dictionary |
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| 13:07.19 | moga | I cant belive it ... hey i tried to be funny ... hey ... stop it can't belive you didn't get it ... |
| 13:07.52 | az[a]zel | moga: you need to be careful when communicating over this medium, as you don't have the benefit of body language to get your meaning across |
| 13:07.55 | Guerin | aren't snd_emu10k1 and snd_via82cxx supposed to be exclusive to each other? |
| 13:07.55 | hlen | it's funny, you are silly aggressive kids insulting strangers 24/7. And you still think you can teach that guy good manners. I'm out of here. If Debian was about this channel, I wouldn't use it. |
| 13:08.08 | greycat | Guerin: maybe he has two audio cards? |
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| 13:08.24 | Guerin | greycat: that could explain his problems |
| 13:08.25 | The_Vulture | aww, I could have had fun with hlen.. |
| 13:08.27 | The_Vulture | :( |
| 13:08.32 | greycat | Guerin: quite possible in that particular case; one built in the mobo, one emu10k1 added on PCI |
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| 13:08.41 | Guerin | greycat: that's what I'm thinking |
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| 13:09.17 | Phated | What was with hlen? |
| 13:09.23 | The_Vulture | beats me |
| 13:09.28 | az[a]zel | I can't believe the amount of spam bots that try to get in this channel |
| 13:09.28 | The_Vulture | was funny while it lasted |
| 13:09.36 | greycat | if he chose Sunday to evaluate #debian, it was doomed from the start. |
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| 13:09.47 | az[a]zel | I wonder if they're zombie machines, because they're from all over the place |
| 13:09.54 | greycat | az[a]zel: of course. |
| 13:09.57 | The_Vulture | az[a]zel: they usually are |
| 13:10.00 | Phated | The_Vulture: But extremely odd... :| We didn't even start flaming moga, and I wasn't going to either... :\ |
| 13:10.11 | az[a]zel | I should "NET SEND" some of them, to tell em to patch their boxes and install a firewall |
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| 13:11.37 | Guerin | hlen should have been here a few weeks ago, I guess. Things have become more civil in here the last while. |
| 13:11.52 | The_Vulture | Guerin: well we can't have any of that.. |
| 13:12.00 | az[a]zel | !flamewar |
| 13:12.00 | dpkg | flamewar is probably that thing between vi and emacs.... Perl vs Python |
| 13:12.02 | Phated | Guerin: True. :) |
| 13:12.12 | greycat | !start a war |
| 13:12.12 | dpkg | peace, war sucks. |
| 13:12.15 | moga | az[a]zel, Phated ... I think that to many kids here have to many bots programed to give automatic answers ... and if you spell something to the channel 85% from alll you answers are from programmed bots |
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| 13:12.37 | az[a]zel | erm |
| 13:12.39 | greycat | moga: that's because 90% of all the questions we get are newbie FAQs. |
| 13:12.56 | Phated | There is, I think, a total of what? Four, - seven bots? |
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| 13:12.59 | greycat | moga: it's not worth the time and effort to answer those same questions over and over and over |
| 13:13.05 | Phated | greycat: Care to confirm? |
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| 13:13.17 | Phated | The number of bots, that is. |
| 13:13.21 | az[a]zel | could make a bot that parses questions, gathers search terms, and does an I'm feeling lucky search on google, and returns the link automatically |
| 13:13.23 | Hugl3 | how I can make lilo to boot LinuxOLD only one ? |
| 13:13.26 | Hugl3 | how I can make lilo to boot LinuxOLD only once ? |
| 13:13.38 | Phated | az[a]zel: Could. :) |
| 13:13.38 | greycat | Hugl3: type LinuxOLD |
| 13:13.39 | pingouinn | only once ? |
| 13:13.50 | Hugl3 | pingouinn, yes |
| 13:13.55 | az[a]zel | pingouinn: useful for remote upgrading kernels, etc |
| 13:14.00 | Phated | How about choosing LinuxOLD only once? :) |
| 13:14.08 | Hugl3 | grecat, is it a way to type it in SSH ? |
| 13:14.13 | pingouinn | yeah ?! what's that ? |
| 13:14.17 | greycat | Hugl3: huh> |
| 13:14.18 | pingouinn | only once... |
| 13:14.34 | greycat | !wayttd Hugl3 |
| 13:14.35 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Hugl3? |
| 13:14.38 | Hugl3 | or I need to change defualt kernel in lilo.conf, rerun lilo, and vise-versa ? |
| 13:14.48 | nailbiter | Hugl3: you're finding that lilo keeps choosing the same boot image for subsequent boots? make sure you don't have 'lock' in your lilo.conf. |
| 13:15.02 | greycat | Hugl3: did you LEAVE OUT some terribly important detail such as "Oh, by the way, I HAVE NO PHYSICAL ACCESS to the console"? |
| 13:15.09 | az[a]zel | pingouinn: well, if you upgrade a kernel.. you can boot it only once.. and have a cron job to reset the machine in 20 minutes say.. so if you reboot and network/whatever doesn't come up.. it'll reboot back into the known working kernel, and you can work out what went wrong |
| 13:15.28 | az[a]zel | pingouinn: not that I've done this.. things like kernel panics could still cause problens |
| 13:15.41 | pingouinn | ok thx |
| 13:15.59 | iketo | ok |
| 13:16.36 | az[a]zel | linuxbios would be good that ran separately to the OS, and had an SSH connection.. so you could monitor the OS in case it doesn't boot |
| 13:16.38 | Hugl3 | I think i'll just update my lilo.conf |
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| 13:17.11 | iketo | I have a stupid question..... Why does (insert package manager) not install new modules for a kernel image? and How can I get then to install modules for said kernel image? |
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| 13:17.47 | nailbiter | az[a]zel: you can try booting your system recursively in a qemu monitor. it's sometimes useful. |
| 13:17.49 | bohan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.01 | greycat | I have a stupid question. What is "(insert package manager)"? |
| 13:18.03 | The_Vulture | probably #autotools or something |
| 13:18.04 | bohan | err, sorry about leading spaces |
| 13:18.13 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* |
| 13:18.25 | iketo | dpkg, apt-get, dselect, rpm |
| 13:18.25 | dpkg | iketo: no idea |
| 13:18.26 | greycat | bohan: #c possibly |
| 13:18.28 | nailbiter | bohan: #devtools |
| 13:18.37 | bohan | ha, devtools, sounds good |
| 13:18.42 | bohan | thanks all |
| 13:18.44 | greycat | iketo: we don't give a flying fuck about rpm. |
| 13:18.49 | moga | is there still someone who does not belive that me is a bad guy and will tell me how I could make my computer run without mouse ? |
| 13:19.03 | thomas_adam | Cheese trail. |
| 13:19.03 | greycat | moga: disconnect mouse. Boot. |
| 13:19.05 | Phated | Eeeew, rpm. |
| 13:19.06 | iketo | moga, use the keyboard. |
| 13:19.21 | iketo | rpm is a part of debian, even if it's a small part. |
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| 13:19.38 | _rene_ | iketo: but not usable and only used for alien |
| 13:19.39 | greycat | it's only there to help you EXTRACT rpms, not install them. |
| 13:19.50 | Phated | iketo: Actually, I don't think so. The only place it has is as one of two arguments in an 'alien' command. |
| 13:19.59 | greycat | if you install a kernel RPM in Debian, you get what you deserve |
| 13:20.07 | nailbiter | iketo: i'm not sure what you mean. some standard kernel images (like 'kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4') have quite a few external module packages available for them. |
| 13:20.13 | Chameleon22 | is 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 same as 192.168.1.0/255 ??? |
| 13:20.28 | greycat | Chameleon22: it's the same as 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 13:20.49 | Chameleon22 | greycat, why 24? |
| 13:21.06 | greycat | Chameleon22: because 255.255.255.0 is 24 bits of "1" and 8 bits of "0" |
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| 13:21.27 | Chameleon22 | uh bah |
| 13:21.30 | Chameleon22 | *shame |
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| 13:21.49 | greycat | all valid netmasks are N bits of "1" followed by (32-N) bits of "0" |
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| 13:21.57 | greycat | so they can be written as /N |
| 13:22.02 | iketo | But when installing kernel-image-2.6.*-386, it has fatal module errors on boot |
| 13:22.19 | greycat | iketo: what is the PRECISE COMMAND you are typing, INCLUDING the EXACT FILE NAME? |
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| 13:22.34 | greycat | iketo: and what is the precise ERROR MESSAGE you get? |
| 13:22.34 | moga | thanks guys ... thanks to all that i "insulted" I rebooted and it DID NOT WORK it did not boot the kernel ... |
| 13:22.40 | moga | buy |
| 13:23.04 | greycat | what did he want us to buy? |
| 13:23.13 | bob2 | oh, AOL |
| 13:23.18 | greycat | !sunday |
| 13:23.19 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 13:23.24 | bob2 | that explains why he was afucktard |
| 13:23.42 | nailbiter | bob2: i heard there was a blanket ban on *.aol.com? |
| 13:23.51 | greycat | there was at one point |
| 13:23.57 | Phated | greycat: Oo. |
| 13:23.59 | Phated | Cool. :) |
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| 13:24.37 | bob2 | there was |
| 13:24.41 | thomas_adam | What a tosser. |
| 13:24.44 | bob2 | someone made me remove it |
| 13:24.51 | Phated | bob2: AOLer? |
| 13:24.59 | thomas_adam | bob2: Put it back, you know you want to. :) |
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| 13:25.21 | iketo | I've tried apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.7-1-386 and I've attempted kernelimage 2.6.5-1-386 |
| 13:25.23 | bob2 | Phated: no |
| 13:25.31 | Phated | But why AOL, specifically? I mean, there -mjst- be at least -one- intelligent person using it. |
| 13:25.32 | bob2 | yes, I do, but then I get bitche dat |
| 13:25.35 | Phated | bob2: Ah. |
| 13:25.38 | JamesS | are there any known problems with gdm in sarge right now? |
| 13:25.44 | thomas_adam | JamesS: Like? |
| 13:25.46 | bob2 | so now I'll just ban the idioti individuals as they arrive |
| 13:25.52 | bob2 | JamesS: bugs.debian.org/gdm |
| 13:25.59 | nailbiter | iketo: what do you mean by 'fatal module errors'? does the postinstall script bomb out with 'unresolved symbols' running depmod? |
| 13:26.07 | JamesS | bob2: yeah, i suppose i should have checked there first |
| 13:26.12 | iketo | and the error is "Fetal error loading module:" |
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| 13:26.16 | Phated | bob2: Also works. |
| 13:26.20 | iketo | sorry, fatal |
| 13:26.21 | greycat | hahah, fetal error |
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| 13:26.45 | nailbiter | iketo: is this a woody box? are you upgrading from a 2.4.x kernel? |
| 13:26.48 | Phated | "Error loading module"... Fetal error. Heh. :D |
| 13:27.19 | greycat | iketo: what version of debian are you on? |
| 13:27.22 | iketo | yes, I apt-get dist-upgrad from woody 3.0r0 to testing |
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| 13:27.44 | greycat | iketo: dpkg -l modutils module-init-tools |
| 13:27.45 | iketo | Now it states I'm using 3.1 |
| 13:28.27 | greycat | iketo: correction: dpkg -l modutils module-init-tools | tail -2 |
| 13:28.40 | iketo | dselect states that I have modutils 2.4.26-1 |
| 13:29.27 | iketo | and module-init-tools of 3.1-pre5-3 |
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| 13:30.17 | iketo | Just wait till I get this box up and finish my OpenBSD router. |
| 13:30.32 | iketo | Both running on p166's |
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| 13:30.50 | greycat | stupid question time again: why do you want a 2.6.x kernel? |
| 13:30.54 | bob2 | ok, has someone got a kernel with modular PPP? |
| 13:31.02 | bob2 | greycat: far better ppc support |
| 13:31.13 | greycat | bob2: it's a p166, he says |
| 13:31.14 | nailbiter | iketo: hm. would you be able to temporarily move /lib/modules to /lib/modules.old, then re-install the kernel package? it's a wild guess, but you might have wayward module files lying around causing the 'unresolved symbols' error .. |
| 13:31.35 | iketo | lol, I'll try that |
| 13:31.46 | nailbiter | bob2: modular PPP? yes .. |
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| 13:32.44 | bob2 | nailbiter: can you run 'find /lib/modules/`uname -r` | grep "ppp.*ko"' for me and past to #flood? |
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| 13:33.34 | nailbiter | bob2: done |
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| 13:34.28 | iketo | Now, since I'm here and don't want to compile the kernel yet... what is the command to the module program that runs during install? |
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| 13:34.33 | bob2 | modconf |
| 13:34.35 | bob2 | nailbiter: thank you |
| 13:34.39 | iketo | ty |
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| 13:37.25 | TAN | hello |
| 13:37.29 | penguin42 | hi |
| 13:37.39 | TAN | how r u |
| 13:37.46 | penguin42 | I've got a cold |
| 13:37.53 | TAN | thats no good |
| 13:38.04 | penguin42 | true - but still other than that passable |
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| 13:38.18 | TAN | good to hear |
| 13:38.34 | strubbel | hello |
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| 13:38.47 | TAN | r u from sydney |
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| 13:38.56 | strubbel | can anyone tell me if lba48 is in the current debian kernel 2.4.18 source? |
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| 13:39.12 | TAN | definatlely |
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| 13:39.33 | strubbel | definatlely in there? |
| 13:39.41 | TAN | yes |
| 13:39.45 | takisd | hi, just upgraded to debian openoffice 1.1.1-4 and exporting to pdf produces garbage... anyone know of any issues with that?? any fix?? |
| 13:40.03 | strubbel | but when I do: for file in `find /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.18 -type f 2>/dev/null`; do grep -in 'lba48' $file && echo found in $file; done |
| 13:40.14 | strubbel | I get nothing |
| 13:40.29 | TAN | do you //- first |
| 13:40.42 | strubbel | he |
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| 13:41.19 | iketo | and one of the reasons I am looking at the 2.6 flavor is because I use the 8139too modules, and I've heard it was "fixed" |
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| 13:41.29 | penguin42 | strubbel: grep -r is such an easier way to do that |
| 13:41.37 | strubbel | so ide-patch-2.4.18-rc1 is in there |
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| 13:41.44 | strubbel | oh good to know |
| 13:41.54 | TAN | yes |
| 13:42.06 | bob2 | 2.4.18 is ancient |
| 13:42.16 | bob2 | iketo: realtek sucks with any kernel |
| 13:42.16 | TAN | but still reliable |
| 13:42.25 | sussudio | grep-r grep-r grep-r grep-r mushroom. |
| 13:42.31 | TAN | its slow |
| 13:42.44 | iketo | but bob, it's one of my best cards.... :) |
| 13:42.50 | sussudio | thomas_adam: the badgers managed to grab some food inbetween fox visits. |
| 13:42.51 | strubbel | i ask, because i can only acces a 130gb of an 200gb hd |
| 13:43.05 | TAN | that to much |
| 13:43.06 | tomZet | Hi, all icons on my gnome desktop show just a paper icon, also the garbage bin. Anyone an idea how to solve this problem? |
| 13:43.10 | bob2 | strubbel: use a non-ancient kernel |
| 13:43.14 | bob2 | tomZet: sarge? |
| 13:43.14 | sussudio | strubbel: you need an ata133 controller too. |
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| 13:43.31 | strubbel | why? |
| 13:43.31 | TAN | fuk all this talk |
| 13:43.39 | Guerin | bob2: yeah, my rtl8139 network (one at each end) was throughputting only 66 MBps - on a 100MBps network :( |
| 13:43.46 | sussudio | strubbel: ... |
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| 13:44.02 | strubbel | ok |
| 13:44.02 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Oh, good! |
| 13:44.08 | tomZet | bob2, yes |
| 13:44.18 | bob2 | tomZet: install all the capplets packages |
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| 13:44.30 | CAiRO | is there a qt theme that looks similar to gtk's industrial theme? |
| 13:44.40 | thomas_adam | CAiRO: themes.org ? |
| 13:44.44 | TAN | lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll |
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| 13:44.45 | strubbel | i guessed it was the controller |
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| 13:44.49 | TAN | fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff |
| 13:44.54 | TAN | fffffffffffffffff |
| 13:44.56 | strubbel | but was not shure |
| 13:44.56 | TAN | f |
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| 13:45.08 | Guerin | wtf |
| 13:45.12 | sussudio | trollboy |
| 13:45.19 | nailbiter | greycat: thanks. :) |
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| 13:45.24 | Guerin | was that a mistake, or was he just being a basket case? |
| 13:45.28 | greycat | the latter. |
| 13:45.32 | greycat | he's been here before, acted just like that |
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| 13:45.44 | nailbiter | CAiRO: not in debian itself. try http://themes.kde.org instead .. |
| 13:46.12 | sege | I upgraded apache in testing to 1.3.31 and now Apache wont start. I get nothing in my logs and no output on /etc/init.d/apache start except ordinary starting: apache. Any known problem? |
| 13:46.28 | Guerin | charming |
| 13:46.32 | greycat | then it wasn't an "upgrade", was it? |
| 13:46.43 | tomZet | bob2, thanx will do so. |
| 13:46.48 | nailbiter | sege: it may be apache segfaulting when initializing one of its modules. try a 'apache -X' first. |
| 13:47.06 | greycat | !info apache sarge |
| 13:47.08 | dpkg | apache: (Versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.31-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 370 kB, Installed size: 812 kB |
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| 13:47.17 | rhow | which window manager demands the less memory? i just want to do some basic browsing on an old p1-100, 16MB box |
| 13:47.21 | CAiRO | nailbiter: there isn't one |
| 13:47.22 | greycat | oh... it's packaged at thta version. Hmm. |
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| 13:47.29 | sussudio | rhow: bash + links |
| 13:47.33 | penguin42 | rhow: fvwm is pretty lightweight |
| 13:47.43 | nailbiter | CAiRO: oh well. :) |
| 13:47.56 | greycat | rhow: the WM won't be your bottleneck; the browser will. |
| 13:47.57 | jcm | hi, trying to use bluez-tools on debian unstable to connect to gprs, i get this strange answer when i connected with rfcomm: testing with echo "ATZ" > /dev/rfcomm0 i get bash: /dev/rfcomm0: Unauthorized then rfcomm shows channel closed |
| 13:48.02 | iketo | rhow, IceWM works on a p100 with 8 MB of RAM |
| 13:48.09 | sege | nailbiter: true, segfault. |
| 13:48.10 | CAiRO | nailbiter: even if there was, i wouldn't find it, the alphabetical list starts with pages 1, 2, 3.. and so on |
| 13:48.14 | CAiRO | that's really silly |
| 13:48.25 | sege | nailbiter: how do I figure out which module and why? |
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| 13:48.39 | nailbiter | CAiRO: i used the Qt/GTK 'thinkeramik' theme for a little while. it was ok, but really slow on remote displays .. |
| 13:48.41 | greycat | sege: disable them one by one until the problem stops/ |
| 13:48.58 | nailbiter | sege: yes. :) do a 'gdb apache', then 'run -X'. |
| 13:49.04 | iketo | I have an old netscape for slackware 4.0, would you like a copy? |
| 13:49.26 | rhow | greycat: i think i'll use dillo |
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| 13:49.33 | linuxian | hi |
| 13:49.47 | nailbiter | rhow: if you're into minimalist, there are the 'ratpoison' and '9wm' window managers |
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| 13:50.15 | rhow | nailbiter: thanks |
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| 13:50.45 | gahan | can i check using dpkg what permissions should /some/dir have? |
| 13:51.14 | bob2 | no |
| 13:51.18 | bob2 | dpkg does not suppor that |
| 13:51.18 | dpkg | bob2: no idea |
| 13:51.20 | penguin42 | pity really |
| 13:51.25 | bob2 | yes |
| 13:51.30 | bob2 | it'll be in dpkgv2! |
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| 13:51.41 | nailbiter | gahan: if you still have the package itself, you could do 'dpkg --fsys-tarfile thepackage.deb | tar tvvf -' and look at the permisions in the tar listing. |
| 13:51.56 | sege | nailbiter: hmm, doesn't say anything fun. |
| 13:52.07 | penguin42 | bob2: Can something like dpkg-check (spell?) at least tell you waht it should be if it isn't ? |
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| 13:52.32 | nailbiter | sege: doesn't say anything? do a 'bt' after gdb catches the segfault to print a backtrace. |
| 13:52.47 | sege | nailbiter: i says stuff but nothing interesting |
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| 13:52.58 | nailbiter | sege: what does it say? can you paste it to #flood? |
| 13:53.01 | sege | nailbiter: i dont get any segfault running it from gdb |
| 13:53.20 | iketo | what's /dev/shm used for? |
| 13:53.27 | nailbiter | sege: and apache works normally inside gdb? serves hits without complaint? |
| 13:53.33 | bonez39 | apt: web design |
| 13:53.34 | apt | web design is probably Please design your web sites to be as accessible as possible. <http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/> <http://www.alistapart.com/stories/dao/> |
| 13:53.59 | gahan | aha |
| 13:54.17 | iketo | what's /dev/shm used for? |
| 13:54.17 | nailbiter | bonez39: perhaps you could add http://www.foad.org/~abigail/WWW/dream.html to that factoid. :) |
| 13:54.22 | JamesS | okay, the problem i am having with gdm is not listed on the bugs page (as far as i have found). everytime it tries to start it comes up to an error message saying the display server can not be started. xdm starts and i can run X by using 'startx'. any ideas? |
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| 13:54.44 | nailbiter | iketo: shared memory segments. sometimes used by database backends for communication .. |
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| 13:54.58 | iketo | ahh, thx |
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| 13:55.13 | penguin42 | nailbiter: Is this a 3rd way in addition to sysvshm and posix_shm ? |
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| 13:55.30 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Thank you, thank you. |
| 13:55.36 | sussudio | thomas_adam: you lost the actionwar, though. |
| 13:55.38 | sege | nailbiter: nope, doesn't listen to any ports |
| 13:55.40 | nailbiter | penguin42: yes. unlike the others, you won't have to use integer IDs as handles for segments -- you can use regular file handles instead |
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| 13:55.43 | Phated | sussudio: Nooo...! But that's mine... ! |
| 13:55.56 | bonez39 | nailbiter: thanks |
| 13:56.13 | sussudio | Phated: that's what !britsmite is for |
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| 13:56.31 | andres | hello |
| 13:56.34 | Phated | sussudio: Heh. For people like thomas_adam, I like this: |
| 13:56.36 | Guerin | ok, someone wanna take over andres' sound problems? I have a road trip to pack for |
| 13:56.39 | nailbiter | JamesS: check your 'command=/usr/X11R6/bin/X' line in your gdm.conf; is X barfing on some of the arguments there? |
| 13:56.40 | Phated | !phatedsmite thomas_adam |
| 13:56.48 | sussudio | !sgsmite Phated |
| 13:56.54 | nailbiter | sege: hm .. how odd |
| 13:57.01 | penguin42 | nailbiter: Oh - got any refs on that? |
| 13:57.02 | Phated | Ahh, I've never chewed gum no huge loss. |
| 13:57.05 | Guerin | he's got alsa and oss emu working, arts is dead, but alsamixer won't run and his sound quality is all fucked |
| 13:57.06 | Phated | gum, * |
| 13:57.26 | nailbiter | sege: say .. which version of the php packages do you have installed? the last 4.3.8 package reportedly had a critical segfault-on-startup bug .. |
| 13:57.56 | JamesS | nailbiter: let me check |
| 13:57.59 | sussudio | too bad chewing gum would probably have been the only thing to stop the invasion of the punkbadgers in 2005. |
| 13:58.21 | nailbiter | penguin42: http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/lk/lk.html it's somewhere in that pile of pages. :-/ |
| 13:58.23 | sege | nailbiter: it works perfect without perl/php so i'ven narrowed it down. php 4.3.4-4. |
| 13:58.25 | penguin42 | sussudio: The ones with the green and red stripes? |
| 13:58.34 | sussudio | penguin42: mydaus meliceps. google for it. |
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| 13:58.51 | sussudio | penguin42: or just look at http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/phated.png |
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| 13:59.25 | sussudio | err, make that http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/userpics/phated.png |
| 13:59.33 | andres | hello |
| 13:59.33 | andres | we were able to get sound but we cantget into alsamixer |
| 13:59.36 | nailbiter | sege: now, if you could just get gdb to catch a segfault. :) |
| 13:59.37 | andres | hello |
| 13:59.53 | nailbiter | penguin42: also, see http://fscked.org/writings/SHM/shm.html |
| 13:59.57 | sege | nailbiter: now i know it's php. thanks for your help anyway =) |
| 14:00.06 | Guerin | andres: back to #flood as well |
| 14:00.09 | bob2 | "that's the badger!" |
| 14:00.11 | nailbiter | sege: good luck :) |
| 14:00.12 | Guerin | andres: tapas is ther |
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| 14:00.13 | Guerin | e |
| 14:00.44 | Phated | sussudio: Nice, very nice. :P |
| 14:00.48 | penguin42 | sussudio: How odd - definitely not the type of friendly TB ridden badger you'd get in the UK |
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| 14:01.05 | JamesS | nailbiter: nope, works well |
| 14:01.15 | sussudio | penguin42: it's a malaysian stinkbadger (true name) |
| 14:01.15 | penguin42 | nailbiter: Thanks |
| 14:01.18 | Phated | sussudio: I did mean to speak to you about those badgers... I am not Malaysian, hang it all. |
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| 14:01.49 | sussudio | Phated: you used to be part of malaysia, so there. |
| 14:02.07 | Phated | sussudio: I wasn't even alive at the time. So there there. |
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| 14:02.32 | nailbiter | JamesS: rats. how about starting gdm with strace attached? 'strace -o /tmp/gdm.trace -f gdm' you might then want to have a look at the exec() lines in the gdm.trace file to see why gdm's failing to start the X server .. |
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| 14:02.42 | Phated | sussudio: Google for merlion and replace the badgers with those. :) |
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| 14:03.29 | az[a]zel | " Singapore was separated from the rest of Malaysia on 9 August 1965" |
| 14:03.38 | Phated | az[a]zel: Thank you. :) |
| 14:03.41 | az[a]zel | Phated: so you are less than 39 years old then :) |
| 14:03.53 | Phated | az[a]zel: Far, far less. |
| 14:04.09 | Phated | az[a]zel: Take a guess. (No hints from anyone else.) |
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| 14:04.17 | az[a]zel | Phated: 23 |
| 14:04.23 | Phated | az[a]zel: Nope. |
| 14:04.39 | sege | nailbiter: imap.so, but i dont know why |
| 14:04.39 | az[a]zel | Phated: at least be like price is right, lower/higher ? :) |
| 14:04.45 | Phated | az[a]zel: Lower. |
| 14:04.50 | az[a]zel | Phated: 19 |
| 14:05.02 | Phated | az[a]zel: Lower. |
| 14:05.09 | az[a]zel | young'un |
| 14:05.13 | nailbiter | sege: mod_imap.so (Apache's IMAP auth module) or imap.so (PHP's IMAP access module)? |
| 14:05.13 | az[a]zel | Phated: 16 |
| 14:05.23 | Phated | !win az[a]zel |
| 14:05.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, az[a]zel! You have won the US presidency! |
| 14:05.28 | jcm | hey, anyone can help me with bluez-toolz and rfcomm ? i'm stuck on an authorization pb to access /dev/rfcomm0 |
| 14:05.30 | Phated | O.o |
| 14:05.45 | az[a]zel | oooh, I can run the US into the ground and get kickbacks from my corporate buddies |
| 14:05.59 | Phated | az[a]zel: Heh. But yeah, 16 is right. :) |
| 14:06.05 | cph | if the ability to play a simple numbers game wins you the us presidency, how the hell did bush get it? :P |
| 14:06.07 | JamesS | nailbiter: i am going to have to do that at another time. this is on my grandfather's machine half an hour away from me and i just don't feel like getting that involved with it over ssh |
| 14:06.09 | zinx | az[a]zel: and _still_ be a better president than we've had in the last few years! |
| 14:06.15 | az[a]zel | zinx: heh |
| 14:06.16 | Phated | zinx: Aye. |
| 14:06.22 | Phated | cph: Guess. :) |
| 14:06.26 | Zetabyte | guys, i'm trying to set up a smbfs to automount in the /etc/fstab - and i'd like it to mount with a particular user's permissions. any idea how to do there, or where i could find out? |
| 14:06.38 | sege | nailbiter: nah, php4-imap |
| 14:06.42 | nailbiter | JamesS: oh well. :) good luck anyway .. |
| 14:06.44 | linuxian | i have a problem with named that wouldn't start bcos it can't access /var/log/named.pid |
| 14:06.51 | az[a]zel | Phated: I didn't know what Linux was when I was 16.. Dos 6.22 and win 3.11 was my thing (well maybe win95 by then) |
| 14:07.21 | Phated | az[a]zel: Ahhh... I only learnt what it was at 14, only installed RH at 15. :) |
| 14:07.31 | nailbiter | sege: hm. could you remove 'imap.so' from /etc/php4/apache/php.ini and see what happens? |
| 14:07.40 | sege | nailbiter: then it works |
| 14:07.48 | JamesS | nailbiter: thanks |
| 14:07.48 | Nurbs_ | azulema: what an awful childhood. |
| 14:07.52 | Nurbs_ | uhm |
| 14:07.58 | Phated | Nurbs_: Damn straight. :) |
| 14:08.01 | Nurbs_ | az[a]zel: what an awful childhood even |
| 14:08.02 | sege | nailbiter: but i used to load mod_imap.so i see know, but i lsot it from modules.conf. does php4-imap need it? |
| 14:08.07 | Nurbs_ | I hate this nick completion |
| 14:08.11 | nailbiter | sege: ok, time to fire up 'reportbug' on 'php4-imap'. :) |
| 14:08.14 | linuxian | i have a problem with named that wouldn't start bcos it can't access /var/log/named.pid |
| 14:08.15 | az[a]zel | Nurbs: heh |
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| 14:08.45 | az[a]zel | Nurbs: BBS'ing and playing Doom 1 & 2 !! those were the days.. my 486 dx2-66 couldn't plya quake! :/ |
| 14:08.48 | Zetabyte | hey, scary, sup? |
| 14:08.53 | linuxian | scarynetworkguy : hi |
| 14:08.59 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hello. :) |
| 14:09.11 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, hey |
| 14:09.16 | sege | nailbiter: crap =) |
| 14:09.16 | linuxian | scarynetworkguy : i have a problem with named that wouldn't start bcos it can't access /var/log/named.pid |
| 14:09.21 | Nurbs | I had to play Doom on a 386SX-25, but it also ran Linux |
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| 14:09.35 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I'm honoured. Of all the people greeting you, you replied to me first. :) |
| 14:09.46 | nailbiter | sege: i can't really tell if you need the module or not. :) but i'd think you can do without it -- not many PHP webmail apps actually use it, because the interface is horrible .. |
| 14:09.49 | az[a]zel | I first played doom shareware on a 386dx40 in low detail... was still scared by it.. awesome game |
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| 14:09.56 | Phated | az[a]zel: Heh. |
| 14:09.56 | linuxian | scarynetworkguy : i have a problem with named that wouldn't start bcos it can't access /var/log/named.pid |
| 14:10.04 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, cause I know you for god's sake |
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| 14:10.08 | az[a]zel | Doom III next week!! :D |
| 14:10.13 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *laughs* :) |
| 14:10.25 | az[a]zel | (and by coincidence I just ordered a new computer) |
| 14:10.30 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: How long till the date? |
| 14:10.38 | scarynetworkguy | 11 hours |
| 14:10.43 | Phated | az[a]zel: Coincidence, or fate? :) |
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| 14:10.49 | _etc | you don't need a new computer for doom3 |
| 14:10.52 | az[a]zel | Phated: okay I'm out of gheezer mode now :P |
| 14:10.54 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Awww, damn, I won't be around to see you off. :| |
| 14:10.55 | zinx | az[a]zel: low detail? doom had high detail? :E |
| 14:10.56 | nailbiter | az[a]zel: heck, i thought Wolfenstein was really creepy on a high-end 286. :) |
| 14:10.57 | Phated | az[a]zel: Heh. |
| 14:11.13 | az[a]zel | zinx: yeah, I think F2 would put it in ultra-blocky mode |
| 14:11.14 | Zetabyte | i'm waiting on a domain name change myself =( |
| 14:11.15 | _etc | you can play it with any gf3 |
| 14:11.18 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, nope too late this afternoon for you :) oh well |
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| 14:11.35 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Errr, actually, 11 hours'time would be me in school. :| |
| 14:11.35 | andres | anyone can help me to get into my alsamixer? |
| 14:11.35 | az[a]zel | nailbiter: heh, yeah I played wolf3D.. was kinda cool.. but after seeing Doom.. well |
| 14:11.45 | andres | im getting an error |
| 14:11.55 | penguin42 | any particular one?# |
| 14:11.59 | linuxian | every 1 : i have a problem with named that wouldn't start bcos it can't access /var/log/named.pid |
| 14:12.10 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I meant afternoon here, silly |
| 14:12.10 | thomas_adam | Every 1 ? |
| 14:12.15 | Eclipser | doom1 is the best first person shooter ever :) |
| 14:12.18 | thomas_adam | Ah, Sunday.... |
| 14:12.18 | andres | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 14:12.19 | bob2 | linuxian: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" print out? |
| 14:12.21 | az[a]zel | _etc: yeah but I want the full experience :) |
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| 14:12.30 | bob2 | andres: you don't have the alsa modules loaded |
| 14:12.32 | sege | nailbiter: i do think squirrelmail uses it, but i dont remember |
| 14:12.35 | az[a]zel | _etc: I've got a Ti4600.. im not upgrading my video card, just my CPU |
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| 14:12.42 | thomas_adam | andres: alsaconf |
| 14:12.46 | andres | but i have sound |
| 14:12.47 | az[a]zel | _etc: I'll get a 6800GT when they're not a ridiculous price |
| 14:12.49 | Nurbs | linuxian: how did you break bind? reinstall it. |
| 14:12.51 | nailbiter | sege: squirrelmail rolled its own IMAP code. :) |
| 14:12.56 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhh. |
| 14:13.04 | Eclipser | az[a]zel, only 600euro here in finland :) |
| 14:13.12 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, technically speaking is tardsday only GMT? |
| 14:13.15 | az[a]zel | Eclipser: that's a crap load of Australian dollars |
| 14:13.18 | bob2 | people spend 600euro on a video card? |
| 14:13.20 | linuxian | bob2 : shhhhhhhh (its a redhat 9 box) |
| 14:13.21 | bob2 | that's fucking insane |
| 14:13.22 | sege | nailbiter: hmm, ok. doesn't work right now without php4-imap. =) |
| 14:13.25 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Pass. :) |
| 14:13.26 | az[a]zel | Eclipser: they're selling for about $800+ here |
| 14:13.27 | bob2 | linuxian: yes, so #redhat |
| 14:13.27 | Eclipser | bob2, not me |
| 14:13.36 | penguin42 | bob2: individual gold plated pixels |
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| 14:13.43 | az[a]zel | when they're $400 I'll buy |
| 14:13.46 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yea Sunday morning here. |
| 14:13.49 | linuxian | hehe - last time i went there i slept well |
| 14:13.54 | linuxian | lol |
| 14:13.55 | Zetabyte | i knew someone that spend 650USD on a dual-head DVI vid card, with like 250MB ram |
| 14:13.56 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhh. |
| 14:13.59 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, well that is only fair |
| 14:14.16 | nailbiter | sege: i've got version 1.4.2 installed without php4-imap; is it failing to subscribe to folders? or is it not even able to open a server connection? |
| 14:14.16 | linuxian | beter than in my own bed |
| 14:14.20 | az[a]zel | I spent $710 on my Geforce 3... and 6 months later it was worth < $300 |
| 14:14.22 | Eclipser | az[a]zel, when they're 50e, I'll buy :) |
| 14:14.28 | k-god | Is a.d.o. down? |
| 14:14.32 | thomas_adam | k-god: Yes. |
| 14:14.41 | bob2 | linuxian: well, you're trying to waste our time with a redhat-specific problem, which is slack |
| 14:14.43 | zinx | i spent $250 on my 9700 pro, and two years later it was worth $250 |
| 14:14.45 | bob2 | k-god: yes |
| 14:14.53 | zinx | though it's dropped a bit now :< |
| 14:15.12 | Zetabyte | i have a 9600 pro - i like it a lot. good stuff. |
| 14:15.16 | az[a]zel | I should've sold mine.. I knew the geforce4's were coming out, and my gf3 would be worthless |
| 14:15.20 | sege | nailbiter: i uese 1.4.3 and it cant connect to imap-server |
| 14:15.23 | Eclipser | I spent 60e on my radeon9100 :) |
| 14:15.30 | thomas_adam | You should all be using S3 cards. :) |
| 14:15.31 | Zetabyte | hoping to eventually get my all-in-wonder working on the linux box, although using nvidia atm |
| 14:15.32 | Phated | az[a]zel: I'll take a GF3! |
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| 14:15.53 | k-god | Crud. |
| 14:15.54 | az[a]zel | Phated: haha.. nah it's going in my old PC (well this PC).. at the moment it's sitting in a box |
| 14:16.06 | Phated | Damn. |
| 14:16.06 | k-god | Anyone know where I can get a base2_2.tgz? |
| 14:16.12 | bob2 | k-god: hah |
| 14:16.14 | andres | thomas _adam : i already did the alsaconf now q is this alsamixer only for alsa or also works with oss? |
| 14:16.19 | Nurbs | a plain gf would be nice. *sigh* |
| 14:16.23 | bob2 | k-god: debootstrap, man |
| 14:16.23 | thomas_adam | andres: What? |
| 14:16.24 | nailbiter | sege: ok, try testing your IMAP server first with, say, a copy of mutt: 'mutt -f imap://username@localhost' |
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| 14:16.26 | scarynetworkguy | <gay pirate voice> I don't think I deserved that </gay pirate voice> |
| 14:16.30 | k-god | thomas_adam: ...not for Win98 ;-) |
| 14:16.38 | thomas_adam | k-god: Ugh. |
| 14:16.38 | Zetabyte | sooo.... i'm trying to mount a smbfs in fstab (automatically) with specific ownership/permissions - any idea where to look/suggestions? |
| 14:16.39 | az[a]zel | Nurbs: Geforce 4 MX is like $80AUD |
| 14:16.50 | k-god | bob2: Booting tomsrtbt. This system doesn't like my Knoppix disks. |
| 14:16.51 | Covener | Zetabyte: man fstab, man mount |
| 14:16.53 | Eclipser | MX is shit |
| 14:16.55 | bob2 | k-god: ah |
| 14:17.08 | k-god | bob2: Though I suppose I could swap out the CDR. |
| 14:17.08 | az[a]zel | Eclipser: they do the job for a work machine |
| 14:17.17 | Zetabyte | oh, fstab has an entry? k, i was looking under smbclient, smbmount, etc |
| 14:17.21 | Nurbs | az[a]zel: you probably think that CS stands for counter-strike, too, right? :) |
| 14:17.24 | sege | nailbiter: it works, using thunderbird. |
| 14:17.33 | zinx | 9700 pros are still $180-$210 :E |
| 14:17.37 | scarynetworkguy | oh joy a my vid card is l3373r than yours war |
| 14:17.37 | Covener | Zetabyte: mount is the best one for what you want |
| 14:17.53 | az[a]zel | "Independent Singapore was admitted to the United Nations on 21 September 1965, and became a member of the Common wealth of Nations on 15 October 1965. On 22 December 1965, it became a republic, with Yusof bin Ishak as the republic's first President." |
| 14:18.07 | az[a]zel | Nurbs: I hate counter strike.. Day of Defeat is way better :) |
| 14:18.11 | nailbiter | sege: by the way, did squirrelmail suddenly stop working with the apache upgrade? or is this a first install? |
| 14:18.20 | Phated | Blah, az[a]zel, stop reciting my country's history, I know it well enough. |
| 14:18.36 | az[a]zel | Phated: I don't.. I knew jack about Singapore until 5 minutes ago :) |
| 14:18.36 | Mask | Does apt keep a log somewhere on my system? |
| 14:18.46 | thomas_adam | Mask: Of what? |
| 14:18.48 | sege | nailbiter: nah, it used to work but now then i fire up apache without php4-imap it doesn't work |
| 14:18.53 | Mask | every package I've installed |
| 14:18.58 | thomas_adam | Mask: dpkg -l |
| 14:19.01 | Phated | az[a]zel: Recite it to yourself, then. In a /msg, and you'll even hear it echo! |
| 14:19.06 | _Skyline | i uninstall mysql typing "apt-get remove --purge mysql-server" because it isn´t ok and then i install but it dont´t find /etc/mysql/my.cnf What i can do? |
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| 14:19.33 | Phated | _Skyline: Because you purged it, you -have- no my.cnf. Too bad. |
| 14:19.39 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeha, me too. |
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| 14:19.41 | sege | nailbiter: restarted inetd, works now. php4-imap not needed. i hate computers =) |
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| 14:19.49 | nailbiter | sege: :-P |
| 14:19.50 | Mask | but I'm kind of looking for a chronological order, because during install of this one package (which I don't remember) I think I configured it wrongly... |
| 14:20.02 | bob2 | Mask: no |
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| 14:20.05 | thomas_adam | Mask: Nope. |
| 14:20.16 | Covener | Mask: ls -lart /var/cache/apt/archives might give you a hint |
| 14:20.18 | bob2 | Mask: aptitude does, and that's reason #4453 to use aptitude instaed of apt-get |
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| 14:20.31 | _Skyline | [Phated] is there any solution? |
| 14:20.41 | Phated | bob2: We're only on 4453? I thought it would be something like 6644 by now. :) |
| 14:20.41 | thomas_adam | _Skyline: It's a generated file. |
| 14:20.46 | bob2 | haha |
| 14:20.47 | sege | nailbiter: failure on one thing is ok, but not 10 at the same time. fokk it. thanks again =) |
| 14:20.57 | Phated | _Skyline: Reinstall, reconfig. Why did you ever --purge it, eh? |
| 14:21.01 | nailbiter | sege: have fun with your new copy of apache. :) |
| 14:21.21 | andres | is till can get in tio my alsamixer |
| 14:21.25 | andres | cant* |
| 14:21.33 | _Skyline | [Phated] now i don´t really know... :( |
| 14:21.40 | thomas_adam | andres: cat /proc/asound/cards -- what do you see? |
| 14:22.09 | thomas_adam | _Skyline: did you install mysql-common ? |
| 14:22.11 | Phated | _Skyline: Reinstall; reconfig; pray and hope you can remember your setting so you can use the same ones. Good luck, my good man. |
| 14:22.18 | sussudio | !fist dns servers |
| 14:22.19 | _Skyline | [thomas_adam] no |
| 14:22.25 | thomas_adam | _Skyline: I think you should. |
| 14:22.25 | Phated | thomas_adam: He apt-get remove --purged it. |
| 14:22.26 | andres | thomas_adam: i have sound i just want to configuret is a little bad |
| 14:22.34 | HenryV | anybody have experience with Fetchmail/Procmail/Spamassassin? I have a fairly typical setup with Fetchmail running as system daemon (from init.d/fetchmail), which does mda procmail, and procmail runs spamc and puts mail in ~/Maildir/new or ~/Maildir/.Spam/new. My problem is messages sent to spam are owned by root:1000, while messages sent to inbox are (correctly) myuser:myuser |
| 14:22.35 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio, thanks. :) |
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| 14:22.38 | thomas_adam | Phated: different package. |
| 14:22.47 | Phated | thomas_adam: Meh. :| |
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| 14:23.03 | Phated | Either way, he has no config file now. :( |
| 14:23.16 | Zetabyte | hmm...still not seeing anything about username or group when mounting smbfs - it says at acts like nfs, and nfs doesnt' say anything either |
| 14:23.31 | thomas_adam | _Skyline: |
| 14:23.33 | thomas_adam | [n6tadam@station adam]$ apt-file search my.cnf |
| 14:23.33 | thomas_adam | mysql-common: etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 14:23.40 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, you are half right. cheer up |
| 14:23.55 | _Skyline | [thomas_adam] ok, thanks |
| 14:24.04 | Phated | Errr... :\ |
| 14:24.16 | Covener | Zetabyte: it refers you to smbmount,where the 2nd page of the manual lists all the options (uid,gid,fmask etc) |
| 14:24.24 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
| 14:24.27 | _dfg | Zeit|idle, mount -o username=yourusername //win-server/sharename |
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| 14:24.32 | Zetabyte | ah, i guess i missed that |
| 14:24.33 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
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| 14:24.50 | andres | thomas_adam: no sound cards |
| 14:24.51 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I know I know |
| 14:24.55 | andres | but i have sound |
| 14:25.09 | thomas_adam | andres: Yes, via OSS. |
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| 14:25.26 | thomas_adam | andres: I'm not wasting anymore time with you -- you've been told what to do *countless* times. |
| 14:25.35 | nailbiter | HenryV: is your fetchmail mda set to '/usr/bin/procmail -d %T'? |
| 14:25.41 | araldit | hi am using sarge, im about to install firefox with the installer from their website.. Where should I put it.. /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox ???? |
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| 14:26.00 | thomas_adam | !tell andres -about alsa for morons |
| 14:26.06 | HenryV | nailbiter, lemme check |
| 14:26.18 | thomas_adam | araldit: That's not a supported question here. |
| 14:26.18 | joh | err, why is mdadm-raid kicking one of my disks out of the raid array, claiming that it's "non-fresh"? |
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| 14:26.24 | HenryV | mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %s" |
| 14:26.25 | scarynetworkguy | !tell araldit about easy sid backport |
| 14:26.51 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: simple sid backport |
| 14:26.57 | araldit | Whats that.. sid backport |
| 14:27.05 | thomas_adam | And even then... |
| 14:27.06 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, seems to be both that one looks to have worked |
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| 14:27.18 | thomas_adam | OK. |
| 14:27.31 | nailbiter | HenryV: i'm not sure what "%s" is. "%T" is supposed to be a substitution for the target user's name .. |
| 14:27.42 | Zetabyte | well, i must be pretty retarded because i'm still not seeing anything out setting the permissions of the MOUNTED files. i want ordinary users to be able to access them. all i see is changing what login name is used to connect to the samba resource. |
| 14:27.42 | macewan | should i apt remove lilo after installing grub? |
| 14:27.46 | andres | thomas_adam: thomas the problem b4 was that i didnt have sound, that is resolved so i have progressed,now i only need my alsamixer |
| 14:27.49 | nailbiter | macewan: yes. |
| 14:27.52 | macewan | k |
| 14:28.00 | scarynetworkguy | araldit, I would do that to get firefox out of sid if I were you. YMMV but some have good luck with it |
| 14:28.06 | directhex | Zetabyte, use dmask & fmask, if that's your intention. |
| 14:28.14 | nailbiter | joh: is the disk being marked 'failed' or is it simply being dropped from the array? |
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| 14:28.24 | Zetabyte | !dmask |
| 14:28.31 | HenryV | nailbiter: i switched it over and will give it a try. thanks |
| 14:28.35 | Zetabyte | !fmask |
| 14:28.46 | Zetabyte | .... *goes to check manpages* |
| 14:28.47 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, if it makes ou fell any beeter all the "cool kids" know what went down. |
| 14:28.51 | scarynetworkguy | feel |
| 14:29.10 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: What -really- makes me feel better is that you made typos in that sentence. :) |
| 14:29.13 | nailbiter | andres: could you do this? 'strace -o /tmp/mixer.trace -e open alsamixer' |
| 14:29.14 | joh | nailbiter: /etc/init.d/mdadm-raid start just says "kicking non-fresh sdb1 from array!" |
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| 14:29.32 | joh | nailbiter: though the drive is detected at boot time... |
| 14:29.33 | thomas_adam | macewan: You should have done: apt-get --purge remove lilo grub+ |
| 14:29.40 | Covener | Zetabyte: in smbmount where I just pointed you, in the uid/fmask/dmask options that I pointed you to... |
| 14:29.41 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, if my typos cheer you up you should be the happiest person on the planet |
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| 14:29.55 | nailbiter | joh: what kernel version are you using? and what version of the 'mdadm' package? |
| 14:30.11 | Zetabyte | got it...trying that out now |
| 14:30.13 | macewan | apt-get --purge remove lilo grub+ <- exactly like so? |
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| 14:30.18 | Zetabyte | thanks Covener =) |
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| 14:30.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye, sometimes. :) |
| 14:30.34 | nailbiter | macewan: no need for '--purge'; you may want to save your lilo.conf for later. |
| 14:30.37 | andres | nailbiter: same error as above |
| 14:30.49 | joh | nailbiter: kernel 2.6.7, wait a moment (I'm rebooting so |
| 14:30.52 | joh | err |
| 14:30.55 | andres | i just need a damn mixer to fix the shitty sound!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 14:30.59 | nailbiter | andres: yes, but this time around, you should get a '/tmp/mixer.trace'. could you paste that file into #flood? |
| 14:31.00 | vikasbn | Firebat, |
| 14:31.04 | joh | nailbiter: so I can get the whole mdadm-raid message |
| 14:31.12 | penguin42 | andres: Can you describe to me in what way it feels shitty? |
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| 14:31.25 | macewan | apt-get remove lilo grub+ <- exactly like so nailbiter? |
| 14:31.49 | nailbiter | joh: afaik, mdadm should, at the worst, bring up the array with that disk marked 'F'. simply dropping the device seems silly .. |
| 14:31.53 | nailbiter | macewan: yes. :) |
| 14:31.58 | macewan | I need to read up on apt. Thanks |
| 14:32.08 | joh | nailbiter: ok, what can cause it to be "non-fresh"? |
| 14:32.15 | joh | nailbiter: it has worked perfectly before.. |
| 14:32.26 | Covener | joh: ENOSUMMERSEVE |
| 14:32.26 | nailbiter | joh: i have no idea. :-/ |
| 14:32.40 | soth` | how do i change which windows manager vncserver starts up with? |
| 14:32.43 | joh | Covener: which is? |
| 14:32.43 | penguin42 | jon: I wonder if that happens if somehow the last few writes didn't get to it |
| 14:32.44 | araldit | thx scarynetworkguy!!!! |
| 14:32.48 | Covener | soth`: ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 14:32.53 | thomas_adam | soth`: ~/.vnc/xstartup |
| 14:32.57 | scarynetworkguy | araldit, np |
| 14:33.00 | soth` | its not that file is never run |
| 14:33.05 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
| 14:33.08 | thomas_adam | soth`: on the server. |
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| 14:33.17 | soth` | if you look through the vncserver script, it never references that file |
| 14:33.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *grin* |
| 14:33.21 | Covener | soth`: you change that inthe global config maybe? |
| 14:33.22 | spuer | I have a question about the init directories. |
| 14:33.36 | penguin42 | ask it. |
| 14:33.39 | soth` | which global conifg? |
| 14:33.42 | spuer | Do you know which directory contains the init script? |
| 14:33.52 | penguin42 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.54 | thomas_adam | spuer: /etc/init.d/* |
| 14:34.01 | scarynetworkguy | from the almost on topic files: |
| 14:34.18 | Covener | soth`: works for me on aix and solaris... /etc/vnc.conf |
| 14:34.20 | thomas_adam | spuer: man update-rc.d |
| 14:34.22 | andres | penguin42: as in shit |
| 14:34.28 | spuer | thanks |
| 14:34.32 | thomas_adam | spuer: also see the debian reference manual. |
| 14:34.43 | thomas_adam | spuer: But don't mess with whay you don't understand. |
| 14:34.43 | penguin42 | andres: Hmm - noisy, random shit, quiet - which form of shit ? |
| 14:35.25 | joh | nailbiter: mdadm v1.6.0 |
| 14:35.33 | soth` | Covener there's no mention of the windows manager in vnc.conf |
| 14:35.42 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :| |
| 14:35.47 | simonrvn | window, not windows |
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| 14:36.03 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yea we talked him out of it thank god |
| 14:36.05 | nailbiter | joh: that's the version i have, too. |
| 14:36.13 | Covener | soth`: it tells you where to findthe rest of the config,doesn't it? |
| 14:36.18 | joh | nailbiter: this is what mdadm-raid start outputs: |
| 14:36.19 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Good for you. |
| 14:36.29 | joh | nailbiter: #flood ? |
| 14:36.30 | Covener | soth`: vncuserdir, vncstartup |
| 14:36.36 | nailbiter | joh: sure. paste away |
| 14:36.48 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, better for the people who think there money is safe with those folks :) |
| 14:37.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Haha. :) |
| 14:37.05 | soth` | the whole of vnc.conf seems to be commented out? or is that normal syntax |
| 14:37.12 | andres | static low volume nned more bass more treble needsto be configured im a dj and i used to use mmjb trying to migrate to linux but i cant go to my gigs when i dont even know what the hell im doing and sounding like shit |
| 14:37.19 | Covener | soth`: showing you defaults, I'd imagine. |
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| 14:37.46 | soth` | $vnvStartup points to /etc/X11/Xsesssion |
| 14:37.52 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :) |
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| 14:38.11 | penguin42 | soth': So you probably want to create you own Xsession and point it at that instead |
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| 14:39.02 | jcm | i cannot connect anything to this device: crw-rw-rw- 1 root dialout 216, 0 2004-08-01 14:11 /dev/rfcomm0 though rfcomm tells: rfcomm0: 00:02:D9:8C:D8:F3 channel 1 clean |
| 14:39.10 | jcm | how can i correct this ? |
| 14:39.11 | soth` | where does /etc/X11/Xsesssion get the options for window manager from tho? |
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| 14:39.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) Are you trying to take over the smilies category, now? :) What happened to the bitter, angry sysadmin we used to know, eh? :) |
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| 14:39.34 | thomas_adam | jcm: What are you trying to do? |
| 14:39.47 | jcm | connect on gprs with a phone |
| 14:39.58 | jcm | via an usb bluetooth interface |
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| 14:40.02 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, just feeling good this morning. I'm sure I'll be back in form in no time. |
| 14:40.19 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhh, no, after your date, you'll be all happy and stuff. :) |
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| 14:40.36 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Oooh yes, what time is that? |
| 14:40.42 | simonrvn | andres: you need alsa and jackd. that's a start the rest you can get rosegarden4 and such. apt-cache search is your friend |
| 14:41.01 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, thomas_adam we shall we shall see ~6 PDT |
| 14:41.02 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: You're wasting your time. He's been told x^y times in various incantations to no avail. |
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| 14:41.18 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: oh another one who has black on black |
| 14:41.25 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: :P |
| 14:41.26 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Come now, be nice and give it to us in UTC (it is *NIX). |
| 14:41.43 | simonrvn | hey, i'm not beeping. wtf |
| 14:42.10 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, 1 zulu |
| 14:42.18 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Eh? |
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| 14:42.34 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, mil speak for UTC |
| 14:43.00 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Bleh, you couldn't have said London. That's the one I know best. |
| 14:43.48 | simonrvn | @test2 |
| 14:43.49 | ravenbird | Yes, i'm online. |
| 14:43.52 | simonrvn | @test |
| 14:43.52 | ravenbird | Yes, simonrvn, you're still online. |
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| 14:43.56 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, well yea can't have you looking like a prodigy all the time can we. |
| 14:44.00 | simonrvn | grr, i'm not beeping |
| 14:44.08 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: irc client? |
| 14:44.11 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Who said I was a prodigy, damn it? :) |
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| 14:44.14 | thomas_adam | simonrvn: And are you running it in screen? |
| 14:44.16 | scarynetworkguy | beep beep beep beep |
| 14:44.24 | simonrvn | the machine stopped beeping. oh well |
| 14:44.26 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, I dunno random interweb rumor |
| 14:44.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *gasp* Really. :| |
| 14:44.53 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, no not really |
| 14:44.58 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, sweeeeet |
| 14:45.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Thank god. :) |
| 14:45.10 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: ? |
| 14:45.27 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, -10 hours and counting |
| 14:45.30 | Phated | penguin42: UTC has replaced GMT as the main time reference for me. :) |
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| 14:45.42 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: \o/ You da man. |
| 14:45.54 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, although a google on phated is interesting. I'm trying to sort which ones are you and which aren't |
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| 14:46.14 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: yeh, it was working before. no worries |
| 14:46.21 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, and the first on in 10 years only happens once so I gotta brag just a wee bit. :) |
| 14:46.23 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Bleh, the only Phated who's me is the one on Debstats. |
| 14:46.37 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Go ahead. :) |
| 14:46.41 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: The only other me is PhatefulDeath on blogspot. |
| 14:47.02 | simonrvn | Phated: that i've seen around |
| 14:47.07 | Phated | simonrvn: You have? |
| 14:47.10 | simonrvn | yes |
| 14:47.25 | Phated | simonrvn: The blogger PhatefulDeath? Cool. :) |
| 14:47.26 | simonrvn | simonraven.nuit.ca/blog/ |
| 14:47.29 | Covener | az[a]zel: gmt is a timezone and can observe daylight savings I believe,whereas utc doesn't fluctuate |
| 14:47.30 | simonrvn | yes :) |
| 14:47.38 | Phated | simonrvn: Cool. :) |
| 14:47.39 | Covener | I can't believe i pluralized saving! |
| 14:47.41 | idnar | Covener: no, they're essentially identical |
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| 14:47.53 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, well that answers that. anyway the google results have changed again. The other one I thought that might be is gone now |
| 14:47.59 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
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| 14:48.34 | coffeejunk | i'v got a disconcerting problem: how can i shut down my computer? |
| 14:48.51 | ninja_ | !utc |
| 14:48.51 | dpkg | i guess utc is Universal Time Convention, aka GMT without the daylight savings trouble. Timezones are expressed as UTC plus-or-minus some difference, e.g. UTC-0500 or UTC+0930 |
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| 14:49.35 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, thomas_adam :) *nod* |
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| 14:49.45 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Eh? |
| 14:49.50 | directhex | indeed. i'm 35th on the stats \o/ |
| 14:49.51 | Phated | simonrvn: No linkie. :| |
| 14:49.54 | coffeejunk | i'v got a disconcerting problem: how can i shut down my computer? |
| 14:49.55 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Remember what your mum always said .... :) |
| 14:49.56 | Phated | directhex: Bah. |
| 14:50.00 | simonrvn | Phated: ? |
| 14:50.04 | sege | When playing with libapache-mod-ssl, do I have to have different certs for www.sege.nu and sege.nu if i dont want mozilla/browsers complaining extra? |
| 14:50.04 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, :) |
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| 14:50.11 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: And if not, remember what I always say. |
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| 14:50.11 | bob2 | sege: yes |
| 14:50.16 | penguin42 | coffeejunk: On most of them round the back you will find a wire coming out - this goes towards the wall. |
| 14:50.17 | bob2 | sege: and they need different ips |
| 14:50.17 | _etc | is 2.6.7 a stable version? |
| 14:50.22 | Phated | simonrvn: From your blog to mine. :) |
| 14:50.23 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: 'mom' in your case, sorry. |
| 14:50.31 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, thomas_adam better yet both. |
| 14:50.32 | strubbel | _etc: yes |
| 14:50.34 | sege | bob2: i hate ssl. =) |
| 14:50.34 | simonrvn | Phated: oh, well put one then =) |
| 14:50.35 | directhex | _etc, number.evennumber.number are stable. |
| 14:50.38 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye. |
| 14:50.44 | Phated | simonrvn: Sure thing. :) |
| 14:50.44 | bl4ckf0g | there's a bug in kword under Sid , where to report it ? |
| 14:50.51 | directhex | _etc, 2.0.40 is stable, so is 2.6.7 |
| 14:50.55 | simonrvn | Phated: where's yours at? |
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| 14:51.10 | nixerx | anyone know where I can get Gimp2 for sarge? |
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| 14:51.17 | Phated | simonrvn: Thought you'd seen it around. :) |
| 14:51.18 | bob2 | nixerx: gimp2 is *in* sarge |
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| 14:51.22 | _etc | I thought odd index is for unstable |
| 14:51.27 | nixerx | bob2, Oh? |
| 14:51.31 | bob2 | _etc: middle one |
| 14:51.35 | Phated | simonrvn: A google for PhatefulDeath on blogspot -should- get you the answer. :) |
| 14:51.44 | _etc | ok thanks |
| 14:51.48 | simonrvn | Phated: your nick as it were, not your blog per se (some posts on another blog i was visiting) |
| 14:51.54 | az[a]zel | I found it |
| 14:51.59 | az[a]zel | but I've closed the window now |
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| 14:52.03 | nixerx | bob2, I have 1.2 installed. hrm.... I can just upgrade 1.2? |
| 14:52.04 | az[a]zel | something about pep talks and the matrix |
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| 14:52.33 | bob2 | !+info gimp sarge |
| 14:52.35 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 14:52.44 | dpkg | Package 'gimp' does not exist. |
| 14:52.49 | Phated | simonrvn: Interesting, considering I've posted on so few... But yes, a google on 'PhatefulDeath Blogspot' gets you mine. :) |
| 14:52.50 | thomas_adam | gimp2.0 |
| 14:53.13 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 14:53.17 | bob2 | !+info gimp2.0 sarge |
| 14:53.19 | dpkg | Package 'gimp2.0' does not exist. |
| 14:53.21 | michal_ | where can i find some up to date apt source with lame? tried google, nothing interesting |
| 14:53.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, which is not a bad thing by any means |
| 14:53.36 | thomas_adam | wtf |
| 14:53.41 | gpierce | hello |
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| 14:53.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhhh... |
| 14:53.51 | Phated | az[a]zel: Heh. |
| 14:53.51 | Covener | michal_: i always just build it instead of adding some weird apt source |
| 14:53.57 | thomas_adam | gimp - The GNU Image Manipulation Program, stable version 2.0 |
| 14:54.04 | bob2 | I gues gimp isn't in sarge |
| 14:54.24 | michal_ | Covener: i dont |
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| 14:54.27 | soth` | hmm why won't fluxbox run at 32 colour depth? |
| 14:54.28 | nixerx | bob2, Ok...I thought I was crazy for a minute there... |
| 14:54.28 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yea all kinds of Debian mailing list stuff from my newbie days just as glad to see it if not gone off the front page |
| 14:54.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *gasp* You, a -newbie-? This I must see. :) |
| 14:54.47 | k-god | So, I'm running debootstrap new.... |
| 14:54.50 | k-god | ...and it's... |
| 14:54.54 | bob2 | will anything run in 32 colours? |
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| 14:54.57 | michal_ | Phated: well i actually need mplayer, mencoder and some other stuff as well and was hoping that would be there too |
| 14:54.57 | thomas_adam | k-god: awesome. |
| 14:54.57 | andres | sorry i crashed after the last command |
| 14:54.59 | k-god | ...sssssslllllloooooowwwwww |
| 14:55.04 | Covener | michal_: I'd guess you'd be able to actually find the package then... |
| 14:55.07 | k-god | Downloads are taking freakin ages. |
| 14:55.09 | az[a]zel | Phated: Unity Secondary School |
| 14:55.10 | Phated | michal_: OK, what?! |
| 14:55.19 | k-god | thomas_adam: Having to re-run it repeatedly also somewhat sucks. |
| 14:55.24 | thomas_adam | !tell michal_ about marillat |
| 14:55.30 | Phated | az[a]zel: There you go. ONly fucking valid link. Now read it and be semi-impressed. |
| 14:56.03 | idnar | http://www.apparent-wind.com/gmt-explained.html |
| 14:56.14 | thomas_adam | k-god: Hmm. |
| 14:56.15 | scarynetworkguy | and as in any mplayer discussion I feel the need to point out that this works for me http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html |
| 14:56.32 | k-god | For whatever reason, my apt-proxy pull isn't taking. I'm trying to run it through my squid cache though. I figure the second shot should boost the first. |
| 14:56.36 | Phated | I -loved- Leia. :) |
| 14:56.40 | az[a]zel | Phated: ooh, you're a master debater |
| 14:56.46 | Phated | az[a]zel: *bows* |
| 14:56.53 | idnar | GMT isn't affected by DST |
| 14:56.56 | simonrvn | Phated: added |
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| 14:57.14 | Phated | az[a]zel: That was unupdated, though. I was prouder of the best speaker at the semi-finals. Cool motion. |
| 14:57.23 | Phated | simonrvn: Thank you. :) Shall add yours too. |
| 14:57.26 | bob2 | !+find wlan_agent |
| 14:57.28 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, one more time please I missed it. :( |
| 14:57.28 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 14:57.57 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'wlan_agent' returned no results. |
| 14:58.00 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Eh? |
| 14:58.03 | gandy909 | when running apt-get update it craps out with e: Dynamic MMap ran out of room. What have I screwed up? |
| 14:58.10 | thomas_adam | !mmap |
| 14:58.10 | dpkg | well, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 14:58.12 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, your one and only valid link :) |
| 14:58.18 | pme | gandy909: not your fault |
| 14:58.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Google my real name :) |
| 14:58.32 | simonrvn | sleepytime. zzz. later. |
| 14:58.35 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: But for my blog, it's at PhatefulDeath blogspot |
| 14:58.39 | az[a]zel | Phated: I hate debating.. I generally tend to cower away from having to speak in front of people... unfortunately I have to |
| 14:58.52 | Phated | az[a]zel: Ooh, you debate too? Awesome! |
| 14:58.52 | Covener | scarynetworkguy: no xvid libs on that tutorial, if you maintain it |
| 14:59.05 | az[a]zel | Phated: no I mean I have to speak in front of people.. |
| 14:59.22 | Phated | az[a]zel: Ohhh, and in what situation, then? |
| 14:59.30 | scarynetworkguy | Covener, I don't |
| 15:00.02 | az[a]zel | Phated: presentations (technical), and teaching (Teaching Assistant jobs at my university) |
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| 15:00.11 | tallyhocommando | hey |
| 15:00.20 | Phated | az[a]zel: Oooh, TA. I always wanted to be one of those. :) |
| 15:00.33 | az[a]zel | Phated: nah.. you don't... :) |
| 15:00.40 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, what format? Debate that is |
| 15:00.43 | tallyhocommando | whats the topic? :) |
| 15:00.45 | pme | penguin42: they don't want somebody to try and DoS the machine by tricking apt-get into continually requesting more memory. I /think/ in later versions, the max is higher. |
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| 15:04.39 | Phated | az[a]zel: Three-person team, 3 speeches, one reply. I was always, -always- third speaker. :) |
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| 15:04.39 | penguin42 | pme: Hohum - its always hard to find a nice way of figuring out the amount of ram to let something use |
| 15:04.39 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: ^^^ |
| 15:04.39 | az[a]zel | Phated: you get to rebut, yay |
| 15:04.40 | Phated | az[a]zel: Yeah, I was always a rebutter. :) |
| 15:04.40 | sap | i'm using debootstrap to install debian, at what point do you supply a root password, on booting the new install for the first time or is it necessary to adduser root? |
| 15:04.40 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, totally diffrent from what wew used to do. |
| 15:04.40 | az[a]zel | Phated: so.. is english the primary language in singapore now? or is it your second language? |
| 15:04.40 | Phated | az[a]zel: It's our first language. |
| 15:04.40 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, make sure to swear enough |
| 15:04.40 | thomas_adam | sap: base-config deals with that - when you're asked for it. |
| 15:04.40 | Phated | thomas_adam: Cool. Getting hugged, eh? |
| 15:04.40 | thomas_adam | Phated: Yes. :) |
| 15:04.40 | pme | penguin42: it'll usually be some power of 2, or a sum of powers of 2. |
| 15:04.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Two-person team, one speech, one reply? :) |
| 15:04.41 | tallyhocommando | blimey, i stumbled into this x-chat thing. only just installed Linux, methinks its a bit techie for me! |
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| 15:04.41 | bob2 | sundays suck |
| 15:04.41 | penguin42 | pme: Most things are sums of powers of 2 :-) |
| 15:04.41 | bob2 | sap: run base-config |
| 15:04.41 | pme | tallyhocommando: it gets easier as you read the manuals :-) |
| 15:04.41 | greycat | pme: uh... every nonnegative integer is a sum of powers of 2 |
| 15:04.41 | tallyhocommando | hehe manuals... |
| 15:04.41 | tallyhocommando | am running knoppix now, easiest install ever! |
| 15:04.41 | pme | penguin42, greycat: enh, y'all knew what I meant :-) |
| 15:04.41 | tallyhocommando | :-D |
| 15:04.41 | strubbel | can anyone tell me the storage limitation for an UDMA/66 controller? |
| 15:04.41 | az[a]zel | and with 2's complement, we get negative integers too |
| 15:04.41 | tallyhocommando | now i can run my fav o/s |
| 15:04.41 | thomas_adam | "she has a house and garden, I would I would like to see what happens." |
| 15:04.41 | sap | bob2: should debootstrap have run that already ? ... BTW cdebootstrap seemed to work ok |
| 15:04.41 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, two-person team, one speech, one speech (team 2), rebutt, rebutt, team one close, team two close |
| 15:04.41 | greycat | thomas_adam: you are the lizard king. |
| 15:04.42 | thomas_adam | greycat: Hmm? |
| 15:04.42 | bob2 | sap: no |
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| 15:04.42 | scarynetworkguy | all hail the lizard king |
| 15:04.45 | tallyhocommando | righto im off to break a few things as Root. By all! |
| 15:04.48 | thomas_adam | greycat: Other than ballsing my typing, that is. |
| 15:04.54 | _etc | Can I find a one-before-latest kernel on kernel.org, I can't see it there. |
| 15:05.00 | greycat | thomas_adam: it's from a Doors song. Jim Morrison.... |
| 15:05.08 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Facsinating. |
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| 15:05.15 | thomas_adam | greycat: :) |
| 15:05.16 | Nurbs | _etc: browse the directories |
| 15:05.22 | bob2 | _etc: er, of course? www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/ |
| 15:05.24 | thomas_adam | greycat: 10 points to you, sir. |
| 15:05.30 | sap | bob2: ok, so that's dpkg-reconfigure base-config |
| 15:05.31 | strubbel | _etc: you mean 2.6.6? |
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| 15:05.46 | bob2 | sap: no |
| 15:05.54 | _etc | strubbel:yes |
| 15:05.54 | bob2 | sap: it's a program called "base-config" |
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| 15:06.21 | Legendary_Zero | whats the diff in knopix mepis and deb |
| 15:06.22 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, Yea in that particular format it was all about research/planning presentation consisted of reading your stuff as quickly as you possible could. Very geeky format. |
| 15:06.22 | sap | bob2: ah, thanks |
| 15:06.37 | strubbel | bob2 allready told |
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| 15:06.55 | sege | isn't there any easy way to make certs for sendmail and stuff? |
| 15:07.11 | _etc | thanks, I'm not sure it's linked anywhere on the site though |
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| 15:07.42 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Eeew, reading too fast. Icky. Ours was all about content, style, and strategy. |
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| 15:08.27 | Phated | Err, had* |
| 15:08.33 | _etc | what version is preferrable 2.6.5 or 2.6.6 ? |
| 15:08.34 | Phated | No idea how good I still am. |
| 15:08.49 | strubbel | a hardware question: does anyone know the storage limit for UDMA/66 controlers or where i can get the answer? |
| 15:08.54 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, yea in terms of style you all are closer to what we used to call Lincoln-Douglas |
| 15:09.00 | bob2 | sege: use the "openssl" command...if you google for "postfix tls setup" you'll find a guide that includes info about making certs |
| 15:09.01 | strubbel | i mean hd |
| 15:09.04 | bob2 | _etc: 2.6.7 |
| 15:09.15 | bob2 | _etc: and if you have to ask, why are you downloading a kernel already? |
| 15:09.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: And that would be? You know how I am with Americanese. |
| 15:09.30 | sege | bob2: thanks. |
| 15:09.30 | _etc | bob2:I have problems with 2.6.7 |
| 15:09.52 | penguin42 | strubbel: If they can do LBA48 (which I think probably all UDMA66 controllers can) then I'd say it is in excess of all current drives |
| 15:09.52 | Nurbs | 2.6.6 and 2.6.5 have more problems X) |
| 15:09.54 | fds | I have a custom kernel that annoyingly loads lots of firewire modules, (no firewire on machine either), culminating in eth1 being ieee1394, and therefore the pcmcia card being named eth2, thus breaking lots of shell scripts. Why would firewire modules be loaded on a machine with no physical firewire port? |
| 15:10.08 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, just a name for the debate event ,when I was in HS, were presentation mattered. Refers to a set of debates between Lincoln and some guy named Douglas |
| 15:10.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhh, I see. :) |
| 15:10.24 | _etc | bob2:I'm not yet |
| 15:10.26 | penguin42 | fds: Perhaps it is actually on the chipset on the board just not wired out |
| 15:10.31 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, bout time |
| 15:10.39 | strubbel | ATA-133 as well? |
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| 15:10.59 | k-god | Hrm. |
| 15:11.00 | penguin42 | fds: Use lspci to find out what devices your board has |
| 15:11.09 | TomaHawK | fds, disable firewire at all in your kernel config ? |
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| 15:11.18 | k-god | One of my systems keeps hitting a libc6 not installed problem on debootstrap. The other runs fine. |
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| 15:11.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hah. :P |
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| 15:11.34 | k-god | Both pulling from the same sources. Suggestions? Booted knoppix 3.4 for the install. |
| 15:11.44 | fds | penguin42: odd, since its a laptop. I guess I should recompile without it. <groan> |
| 15:11.45 | bob2 | k-god: to install $n, you need >= $n's debootstrap |
| 15:12.07 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, :0 |
| 15:12.08 | Phated | All who have addressed me: I'm off to bed now. Nighty night. |
| 15:12.11 | scarynetworkguy | :) |
| 15:12.23 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, wish me luck |
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| 15:12.59 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *crossed fingers, horseshoe, four-leaf clover, rabbit's foot, and a hug* |
| 15:13.00 | strubbel | penguin42: i ask, because in the usb case i'm only shown 2/3 of diskspace |
| 15:13.00 | mickeyks | i used netselect-apt to build my sources.list, but apt-get update can't stat the source package list for one line. how is this possible? if the mirror was bad or down, shouldn't netselect have seen that? |
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| 15:13.12 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, now the force will be with me. |
| 15:13.15 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Good luck. I wanna hear about it, you hear? |
| 15:13.18 | mkisofs | has anyone heard of depinit ? |
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| 15:13.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Also, May the Source be with you. |
| 15:13.41 | k-god | bob2: ?? |
| 15:13.42 | mkisofs | :D |
| 15:13.47 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, for sure thanks |
| 15:13.58 | strubbel | and i would like to put it in my box |
| 15:14.02 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Cool, I'll look forward to it. :) |
| 15:14.05 | Phated | Night, all. :) |
| 15:14.07 | strubbel | udma/66 |
| 15:14.11 | strubbel | there |
| 15:14.14 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, very cool :0 |
| 15:14.19 | scarynetworkguy | :) damn it |
| 15:14.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 15:14.39 | strubbel | don't know what controller the box has |
| 15:15.07 | strubbel | never trust salesman! |
| 15:15.25 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, catch ya later |
| 15:15.39 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Sure thing. :) |
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| 15:16.06 | fds | I take it back, there is a tiny, nonstandard port on the back of the lapto that says "1394" on it. Damn. I wonder why is ethernet-over-1394 module loading by default though. |
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| 15:16.19 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, when you get back I'll have to send you this link about thomas_adam :) He's pretty smart. |
| 15:16.43 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: /msg it to me now, I'll look at it when I wake. |
| 15:16.50 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Eh? Who? |
| 15:17.15 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, http://www.princessleia.com/MPlayer.html |
| 15:17.15 | scarynetworkguy | shit |
| 15:17.15 | scarynetworkguy | phaethon, thomas_adam you buddy http://linuxgazette.net/authors/adam.html |
| 15:17.15 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Grrr, PM, I'm not going to scroll all the way back up tomorrow morning. |
| 15:17.43 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Oh, balls to that. :P |
| 15:17.43 | strubbel | debian kernel 2.4.18 source can do LBA48 ? |
| 15:17.43 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ohhh, I've seen that. |
| 15:17.43 | scarynetworkguy | Phated, there you go |
| 15:17.47 | pme | strubbel: I don't think .18 can, but I know that .20 can. |
| 15:17.49 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: ^ |
| 15:18.14 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ThomasAdam <-- more recent info. |
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| 15:18.43 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, whatever thomas_adam excellent |
| 15:18.49 | strubbel | pme: i run woody and like the debian sou sources |
| 15:18.52 | soth` | something quite profound about the command "apt-cache seach enlightenment" |
| 15:18.52 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: heh, ta. :) |
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| 15:19.10 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, :) |
| 15:19.16 | pme | strubbel: great for you, doesn't change my answer any. |
| 15:19.20 | strubbel | isn't ide-patch-2.4.18-rc1 in 2.4.18? |
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| 15:19.35 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: mmm java is not what I would call a "wonderful" language :p |
| 15:19.46 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: It's called irony. |
| 15:19.55 | strubbel | this supports lba48 for 2.4.18 i think |
| 15:19.56 | mkisofs | hey java works great for me |
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| 15:20.11 | Phated | thomas_adam: Sarcasm, actually. |
| 15:20.24 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: ah you were fast going to goreally down in my estime. |
| 15:20.35 | jeanpoldeux | ;) |
| 15:21.09 | strubbel | pme: so lba48 it sould be in 2.4.18, or am i wrong |
| 15:21.09 | thomas_adam | Phated: Actually, it depends how you read it. |
| 15:21.12 | jeanpoldeux | this english irony, I'm not always sure to understand... |
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| 15:21.16 | Phated | thomas_adam: :) |
| 15:21.18 | scarynetworkguy | I think I'm lagging |
| 15:21.29 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Welcome to freenode. |
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| 15:21.39 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 15:21.58 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, yea and over the last 3 days my bandwidth here seems to have gone awol which is not helping matters any |
| 15:21.59 | ddr | where is the locale set when starting X with xdm? |
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| 15:22.25 | tza | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.26 | tza | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:23.03 | thomas_adam | tza: Something Zombie? |
| 15:23.04 | pme | strubbel: I don't think .18 can, but I know that .20 can. |
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| 15:23.26 | TomaHawK | tza : check with 'ps' ? |
| 15:23.30 | strubbel | ok |
| 15:23.32 | thomas_adam | tza: ps aux | awk '/Z/ {print $2}' |
| 15:24.40 | andres | nailbiter:now tell me how do we make this settings start at th enext boot up? |
| 15:24.44 | ribnitz | Is awk (in one form or another) default in debian? |
| 15:24.54 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: hahahaha, of course!! |
| 15:25.26 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: so if I have a program that uses awk I don't need to depend on gawk, good.. |
| 15:25.27 | nailbiter | andres: just shut down gracefully (with 'shutdown now') and the ALSA scripts should save their levels automaticaly .. |
| 15:25.35 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: God no. |
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| 15:25.40 | strubbel | pme: i'll try it with .26 |
| 15:25.48 | andres | ok thanks i thought i had to do some echo scommand or something |
| 15:25.49 | nailbiter | andres: if you want to save immediately, do a 'alsactl store'. |
| 15:26.30 | jeanpoldeux | Life would be easier, if every people would buy a small linux startup handbook, with bash, awk grep etc. explained |
| 15:26.35 | ribnitz | where would I best place some bulidstamp file (if it was present, program would act differently)? |
| 15:26.58 | mkisofs | has anyone heard of depinit ? |
| 15:27.01 | ribnitz | jeanpoldeux: O'Reilly is fat enough |
| 15:27.06 | thomas_adam | !tell mkisofs about repeat |
| 15:27.31 | thomas_adam | mkisofs: no such beast in debian. |
| 15:27.48 | andres | ok nailbitter thanks |
| 15:27.48 | strubbel | pme: the matter is i don't know if its missing lba48 support or the controller that i could only access 2/3 of hd on usb |
| 15:28.13 | mkisofs | thomas_adam, whatever |
| 15:28.14 | jeanpoldeux | I don't speak about 2000 pages books, about a small handbook like I have (~200 pages) were everything about bash is. |
| 15:28.32 | macewan | does installing grub and removing lilo affect my bootfloppy? |
| 15:28.43 | thomas_adam | macewan: It replaces it. |
| 15:28.46 | tza | can ps show cpu useage |
| 15:28.50 | thomas_adam | !iyhtays |
| 15:28.50 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 15:28.57 | strubbel | macewan: the answer is no |
| 15:29.01 | macewan | thanks |
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| 15:29.06 | thomas_adam | tangent3: uptime |
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| 15:29.08 | TomaHawK | tza first step to identify the process |
| 15:29.16 | thomas_adam | tza: uptime |
| 15:29.55 | macewan | using gnome2.6 and the upgrade barfed lilo (the LI error) which I don't feel like f*rking with at the moment. |
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| 15:30.05 | macewan | :) |
| 15:30.08 | thomas_adam | macewan: gnome has nothing to do with lilo. |
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| 15:30.14 | TomaHawK | tza yes , ps can show %cpu time |
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| 15:30.17 | tza | i know that overnet is using the cpu, because when i stop it cpu useage become ok |
| 15:30.35 | jeanpoldeux | macewan: forking ? :D |
| 15:30.35 | macewan | odd, the upgrade certainly caused the probelm |
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| 15:30.57 | macewan | guess it was something else installing during the upgrade |
| 15:30.58 | troubled | bah |
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| 15:31.36 | strubbel | can anyone tell me what lba48 exactly is about? |
| 15:31.38 | jeanpoldeux | !guess |
| 15:31.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, guess is a hypothesis based on nothing |
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| 15:31.49 | scarynetworkguy | helix's cats vs. Guerin's bunny :) |
| 15:32.31 | Guest21875 | hgm |
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| 15:32.34 | tza | TomaHawK: yes i see that know, but in top the cpu is 98%, and in ps cpu is at 2.0 |
| 15:33.47 | jeanpoldeux | tza: that would be strange. |
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| 15:35.00 | andres | i really would like to thank to all the people here during all this week trying to configure my sound, specially nailbiter who had the patience now can anyone recommend what a newbie should start reading about debian? |
| 15:35.26 | jeanpoldeux | andres: debian.org |
| 15:35.33 | andres | thanks |
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| 15:35.48 | andres | all those commands that you all people know where can i get them? |
| 15:35.48 | macewan | andres: a book on inner peace |
| 15:36.30 | _etc | andres:any book about elemtary linux commands is good if you're a newbie |
| 15:36.34 | jeanpoldeux | andres: I told for a minute that it's _really_ useful to get a small book about linux bases and bash |
| 15:36.49 | scarynetworkguy | andres, the latest version of Running Linux from ORA is a good place to start |
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| 15:37.31 | scarynetworkguy | !ora |
| 15:37.31 | dpkg | Praise be the name of O'Reilly and may all come to know its excellence |
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| 15:37.46 | andres | thanks to all u guys i hope one day be in this room helping someomne like u guys do |
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| 15:38.12 | _etc | there are always newbier newbies |
| 15:38.27 | celery | anyone any ideas as to why my 256mb ram is not detected? instead im only getting 119mb shown by "free", yet lm-sensors shows both 128mb chips |
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| 15:39.51 | scarynetworkguy | celery, oddly enough your comp seems to be using some of the memory you have put in it. I think it is in open rebellion and you should take a sledgehammer to it |
| 15:39.58 | tza | q |
| 15:40.15 | vchrizz | celery: what kernel? |
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| 15:40.48 | celery | 2.6.7-1-686 |
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| 15:41.40 | scarynetworkguy | celery, is this an upgrade? |
| 15:41.48 | scarynetworkguy | celery, the memory that is |
| 15:41.55 | celery | nay |
| 15:42.08 | andres | running linux by ora or oreally? |
| 15:42.55 | scarynetworkguy | andres, ora oreally is a set of jokes http://www.ora.com or your favorite book seller. Has a horse on the front. |
| 15:42.56 | andres | hello |
| 15:43.15 | andres | yes i c it the horse |
| 15:43.17 | t-jack | Anyone know why modprobe snd_emu10k1 might cause my system to lock up? |
| 15:43.18 | scarynetworkguy | celery, paste the output of free into #flood |
| 15:43.49 | scarynetworkguy | andres, that is it. |
| 15:44.05 | celery | sigh, it now thinks i only have 108mb of ram |
| 15:44.06 | scarynetworkguy | celery, you running lilo? |
| 15:44.09 | celery | grub |
| 15:44.29 | jeanpoldeux | scarynetworkguy: you speaking yoda ? |
| 15:44.29 | scarynetworkguy | celery, is this older hardware? |
| 15:44.34 | celery | i attempted to add mem=256M in it but no luck |
| 15:44.37 | celery | yeah |
| 15:44.42 | celery | .:arsen @ Celery:. [ cpu :: Celeron (Coppermine) 952.118 mhz | fan @ rpm ] |
| 15:45.07 | celery | cant seem to pickup any of my rpm/temp sensors with lmsensors for some reason either :/ |
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| 15:45.51 | scarynetworkguy | jeanpoldeux, no Yoda would have said "Are you running Lilo?" if you notice he only used the other grammer in statements. |
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| 15:46.28 | t-jack | jeanpoldeux: Sounds like he's speaking Alabama. |
| 15:46.29 | jeanpoldeux | haha |
| 15:46.40 | scarynetworkguy | jeanpoldeux, or if I recall school from 12 years ago right that is the case. :) I could be off but the thing you are talking about was almost always only questions. |
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| 15:47.25 | shimen | hi, can someone tell me something i will want to install i just got sarge netinstall and d/led gnome/x/xchat... i am going to d/l alsa and modprobe what else? |
| 15:47.43 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack, jeanpoldeux no I'm speaking guy who is typing while thinking about what to have for breakfast and so he sounds all distcrated. :) |
| 15:47.49 | shimen | well i am downloading gnome |
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| 15:48.44 | celery | well its not that old |
| 15:48.53 | celery | but in comparison to my other machine it is ;x |
| 15:48.55 | shimen | is there a DEB for real player and firefox 0.9.2? |
| 15:48.57 | celery | about 4-5 years old now |
| 15:49.12 | _etc | if it can't run doom3@100fps it's old |
| 15:49.13 | celery | you can apt-get install mozilla-firefox yes |
| 15:49.36 | scarynetworkguy | jeanpoldeux, yup |
| 15:49.36 | jeanpoldeux | shimen: firefox yes, for realplayer you can look at realplayer :p or at helix community. |
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| 15:49.51 | shimen | yes but it version 0.8 which is like 5 month old |
| 15:50.02 | celery | so nobody else any idea why im only getting half my ram ?:/ |
| 15:50.12 | shimen | lol helix |
| 15:50.17 | JoshTriplett | helix: For the /topic: Base+Standard is now frozen. |
| 15:50.22 | helix | aye |
| 15:50.25 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Just wait til my Tualintin is considered obselete... Well be on crystal matrix quantum cells by then. |
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| 15:50.43 | scarynetworkguy | shimen, no and no. Use mplayer and ask dpkg about simple sid backport he will tell you a decent way to get a newer version of firefox |
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| 15:50.52 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack, excellent |
| 15:50.58 | shimen | well i am stuck with cli and xchat-text errr only if irssi wasnt 7mb with everything it needed |
| 15:51.04 | *** topic/#debian by helix -> READ THE FAQ: /msg dpkg faq | READ THE BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian != Knoppix | Spambots? /msg dpkg nospambot | Base+Standard is now frozen | Visit the Debian Booth at LWCE SF! Meet dondelelcaro | SECURITY: PHP4 in woody [DSA 531-1] | BORKED: | FIXED: cron (#261897), libstdc++5-3.3-dev (#260514) |
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| 15:52.14 | shimen | i think progeny has firefox 0.9.2 or 0.9.1 |
| 15:52.32 | k-god | Um. Any reason why all the archives are either not responding or are returning nongzip files? |
| 15:52.47 | k-god | rutgers seems to work. |
| 15:52.50 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Do you think an affordable Turing-based quantum microchip is possible? |
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| 15:53.11 | shimen | i need real player for it plug in and to list to like the cd of songs i have which are all in its formmat and stream more :) |
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| 15:53.48 | k-god | shimen: You can use other players, but you need to install realplayer to use the plugin. Or mplayer/xine may bypass that now. |
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| 15:54.22 | jeanpoldeux | shimen: firefox in sid is 0.8-2, I don't know where you can find 0.9. Or I know : google. |
| 15:54.29 | shimen | why does testing have still firefox 0.8? it is 5 month old you know and 0.9.x has been out for a while (like 2months I THINK!!!) |
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| 15:54.51 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Point to my question is whether we will use a radically different hardware paradigm when we go to all-quantum-computing... |
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| 15:55.24 | jeanpoldeux | shimen: maybe because ? |
| 15:55.36 | shimen | jeanpoldaux i think progeny debian has 0.9.x can anyone check see i dont have a broswer yet :( |
| 15:55.48 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack, yea of course. what is will be I have no idea |
| 15:56.06 | shimen | i remember see it in the ftp archive |
| 15:56.07 | scarynetworkguy | !tell shimen about simple sid backport |
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| 15:56.37 | helix | shimen: why are you here? |
| 15:56.37 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: The CPU is dead! Long live deux ex machina! |
| 15:56.42 | mickeyks | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.45 | helix | shimen: being banned 8 times wasn't enough? |
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| 15:56.46 | mickeyks | etc |
| 15:57.01 | shimen | because i am helix |
| 15:57.04 | SwiftDeath | whats an yoper equilvalent to yoper? |
| 15:57.06 | SwiftDeath | i mean |
| 15:57.07 | SwiftDeath | debian |
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| 15:57.17 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Or something... |
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| 15:59.36 | scarynetworkguy | alcohol is your yoga baaaaabyyyyyy |
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| 16:00.05 | Penix | is there a way to do something like chroot /foo; <execute something in the chroot>; exit, in a shell script? |
| 16:00.16 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Drunk again, I guess... |
| 16:00.23 | andres | ok having fixed the sound thing |
| 16:00.33 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack, love and rocket song |
| 16:00.37 | andres | i would like to find a good mp3 ripper |
| 16:00.49 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Oh |
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| 16:00.49 | macewan | soundjuicer |
| 16:00.52 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack, yea distrubted is going to be the way of the world I think |
| 16:01.13 | andres | apt-get install soundjuicer? |
| 16:01.45 | bob2 | Penix: dchroot does exactly that |
| 16:01.47 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Well, if we're going to fulfil Roddenberry;s utopian vision... |
| 16:02.00 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack, fuck Roddenberry |
| 16:02.16 | tam | scarynetworkguy: no swearing |
| 16:02.18 | tam | :P |
| 16:02.20 | Penix | yay |
| 16:02.21 | Penix | bob2: thanks |
| 16:03.00 | andres | macewan:you said soundjuicer? |
| 16:03.04 | macewan | andres: yes |
| 16:03.10 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: I remember when LCARS was going to be the next big desktop. |
| 16:03.30 | bob2 | lcars is shite |
| 16:03.31 | andres | coulden't find packge soundjuicer |
| 16:03.39 | greycat | thomas_adam: it's from a Doors song. Jim Morrison..../away away |
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| 16:03.50 | Penix | andres: sound-juicer |
| 16:03.55 | andres | sorry |
| 16:03.59 | macewan | andres: talking about ripping from cd? |
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| 16:04.03 | thomas_adam | greycat: Ta. |
| 16:04.14 | macewan | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/sound-juicer |
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| 16:04.34 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, big old smile :) |
| 16:04.41 | thomas_adam | :) |
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| 16:05.00 | Keidonn | hey guys i'm trying to get a pesky conexant modem working under debian sid .... has anyone had any luck with it using the beta (free) drivers ? |
| 16:05.04 | andres | macewan; yes |
| 16:05.09 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, thanks man your encourangement helped me work my courage up. :) |
| 16:05.30 | andres | is that that the best one? |
| 16:05.33 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: :)) |
| 16:05.48 | andres | what about ripping dvd's? |
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| 16:06.38 | macewan | andres: apt-get install sound-juicer |
| 16:06.40 | Moose- | Anyone here running ProFTPd from unstable, having problems with it randomly aborting file transfers mid-transfer? |
| 16:06.44 | andres | i did |
| 16:06.45 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, :)) |
| 16:06.52 | andres | is that the best one? |
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| 16:07.30 | _etc | can I spread a directory between 2 partitions? |
| 16:07.53 | _etc | *on |
| 16:07.53 | JoshTriplett | _etc: Pieces of it. |
| 16:08.04 | bob2 | _etc: yes |
| 16:08.08 | bob2 | but not the way you think |
| 16:08.09 | JoshTriplett | _etc: Subdirectories of it, specifically. |
| 16:08.18 | andres | suppuse i want to put together a new box lets say a p4 with a asus mobo is debian or linux compatible? would i be able to install it? |
| 16:08.23 | JoshTriplett | _etc: Or you could use something like LVM. |
| 16:08.25 | _etc | bob2: symlinks? |
| 16:08.52 | xerxes1979 | I am trying to get my Thumb buttons to work on my Mogitech mx500 USB mouse. But no luck. Anyone here that can assist ? |
| 16:08.57 | bob2 | _etc: yes, or mount the partitions inside the dir |
| 16:09.03 | Penix | andres: no. Linux only works on R4000's now |
| 16:09.17 | bob2 | xerxes1979: depends what "work" means. |
| 16:09.28 | bob2 | xerxes1979: does X see them being pushed? |
| 16:09.28 | andres | hmmm |
| 16:09.28 | andres | what is r400? |
| 16:09.36 | Penix | andres: nothing. ignore me |
| 16:09.42 | andres | R4000 |
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| 16:09.52 | JoshTriplett | andres: A model of MIPS. He's pulling your chain. |
| 16:09.53 | andres | ill google it |
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| 16:10.15 | t-jack | I swear, with all these new pictures of Andrew Jackson running round, WTF are you to be able to pick out a counterfeit bill? |
| 16:10.20 | bluefox83 | anyone know why root wouldn't be able to access /sbin/cfdisk ? |
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| 16:10.30 | _etc | I'm running low space on my initial partition, there is not way to extend the system to another partition? |
| 16:10.32 | xerxes1979 | bob2, that is the problem Not all of them. I mean I have 8 buttons but the thumb buttons are seen as Button1 and 2 |
| 16:10.32 | fds | how to get a laptop to use the full screen's worth of its lcd in linux text mode? |
| 16:10.47 | bob2 | _etc: symlinks |
| 16:10.52 | andres | ok so the answer to my q is yes or no? |
| 16:11.03 | JoshTriplett | fds: Either find your laptop's "stretch to full size" button, or use the ]framebuffer console. |
| 16:11.10 | JoshTriplett | s/]// |
| 16:11.28 | Penix | andres: yes |
| 16:11.29 | kurumin | hi |
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| 16:12.02 | Penix | andres: unless it had really weird, really new unsupported devices/features |
| 16:12.05 | _etc | bob2:is there a way to track which directories are growing big? |
| 16:12.06 | emzed | xerxes1979: I have this mouse (hmm, mx700 instead, but it's the same buttons), and they work all but one, I can give you my solution |
| 16:12.11 | fds | JoshTriplett: "framebuffer console" is a .deb, or a kernel module, or ??? |
| 16:12.16 | JoshTriplett | _etc: du |
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| 16:12.18 | bob2 | _etc: some find magic, I guess |
| 16:12.18 | SwiftDeath | is their an i686 optimized debian distro? |
| 16:12.21 | JoshTriplett | fds: Kernel module. |
| 16:12.22 | bob2 | SwiftDeath: no |
| 16:12.25 | bob2 | because it's stupid |
| 16:12.30 | Penix | SwiftDeath: apt-get install gentoo |
| 16:12.34 | andres | thanks penix |
| 16:12.36 | SwiftDeath | why bo |
| 16:12.38 | JoshTriplett | fds: Be careful just loading it, though. |
| 16:12.45 | bob2 | SwiftDeath: what's the point? |
| 16:12.51 | JoshTriplett | fds: I think you need to load it on boot. |
| 16:12.54 | bob2 | and if you use the word "faster", you have to show us benchmarks |
| 16:12.58 | SwiftDeath | speed.... kinda like a yoper with a deb package manage |
| 16:13.00 | Penix | SwiftDeath: feel free to rebuild your whole system though |
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| 16:13.36 | JoshTriplett | Penix: Amusingly enough, apt-get install gentoo will work, just not like you think. There's a file manager named "gentoo". :) |
| 16:13.43 | Moose- | hmm, vsftpd is dropping the connection too... |
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| 16:14.06 | Moose- | So, basically I have my server dropping connections randomly (only seen via FTP, that I can notice). Hrmph. |
| 16:14.07 | nailbiter | SwiftDeath: most of the performance hot spots are concentrated in a handful of libraries and kernel modules. |
| 16:14.13 | JoshTriplett | Moose-: Perhaps the problem isn't with the FTP servers. :) |
| 16:14.19 | Preda | where can I find lpadmin? |
| 16:14.23 | Moose- | JoshTriplett: No kidding. :) |
| 16:14.29 | Moose- | JoshTriplett: But I have no clue where... |
| 16:14.35 | andres | thast r4000 has to do something with olimpus |
| 16:14.37 | SwiftDeath | oh... rebuilding it too hard cause its actually for a friend of mine thats converting |
| 16:14.40 | bob2 | !+find bin/lpadmin |
| 16:14.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lpadmin' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/lpadmin) in net/cupsys-client. |
| 16:14.46 | JoshTriplett | Moose-: I'm no networking guru. |
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| 16:14.52 | SwiftDeath | and i beleive deb is easier than rpm |
| 16:14.57 | Preda | lpadmin-webmin complains about lpadmin, lpadmin not in lpr package? |
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| 16:14.58 | Penix | andres: just forget about the r4000 |
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| 16:15.08 | bob2 | Preda: cupsys-client |
| 16:15.09 | nailbiter | SwiftDeath: just install a *-686 kernel image and the 'libc6-686' package. |
| 16:15.21 | AdmiralNemo | can someone help me with debian install process? |
| 16:15.31 | Penix | AdmiralNemo: the install guide can |
| 16:15.49 | AdmiralNemo | actuall, Penix, it isn't doing a good job |
| 16:15.50 | andres | admiralnemo: just ask |
| 16:15.50 | _etc | if I make a /boot partition with just the kernel on it, and the rest "far away" - will it hurt my poerformance? and where is the best place for swap partition? |
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| 16:16.08 | bob2 | "far away"? on disk? doesn't really matter |
| 16:16.10 | andres | may be i can if i know i wont send you to RTFM |
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| 16:16.17 | AdmiralNemo | I am at the "Install Kernel and Driver Modules" steo |
| 16:16.21 | AdmiralNemo | step |
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| 16:16.24 | nailbiter | SwiftDeath: if you really want to insist on compiling your entire system from source, have a look at Gentoo instead |
| 16:16.33 | bob2 | AdmiralNemo: please describe the whole problem on one line |
| 16:16.35 | Preda | bon2 thanks |
| 16:16.41 | Preda | bob2 even |
| 16:16.47 | AdmiralNemo | but it cannot find the images-1.44/rescue.bin on my cd |
| 16:17.02 | SwiftDeath | hmmm nialbiter, i was looking for something like yoper, u know outta the box and stuff, my friend has a low internet and i just want to bring the cdrom |
| 16:17.09 | _etc | ok, thanks bob2 |
| 16:17.14 | andres | i dont remember i just installed linux once |
| 16:17.28 | andres | anyway im a newbie myself i cant even helpmyself |
| 16:17.42 | Moose- | hmm, i see a stray cron job (as root) that should've been removed.. crontab -e doesn't show it. |
| 16:17.45 | Moose- | hrmph |
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| 16:18.10 | Moose- | ah, there |
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| 16:18.11 | Moose- | go tit. |
| 16:18.18 | Penix | hah |
| 16:18.34 | nailbiter | SwiftDeath: if your friend is on dialup (or has no network connectivity), you might want to burn the Woody disc set. |
| 16:18.44 | celery | lol ;x |
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| 16:18.51 | Moose- | hmm. |
| 16:18.53 | Moose- | got it. |
| 16:18.53 | Moose- | :) |
| 16:19.24 | SwiftDeath | hmm.... but once he sees debian he'll change his mind |
| 16:19.32 | SwiftDeath | cause he'll think it looks too hard |
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| 16:19.43 | Penix | and too old if you give him woody |
| 16:19.45 | thomas_adam | Penix: That command work OK? |
| 16:19.56 | helix | peeeeeeenix |
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| 16:20.12 | _etc | woody still uses the ext2? would ext3 be better for a dedsktop system? |
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| 16:20.24 | helix | Penix: you're going to lca2005? |
| 16:20.28 | thomas_adam | _etc: The kernel defines that. |
| 16:20.29 | JoshTriplett | _etc: By default. Possibly. |
| 16:20.30 | Penix | xileeeeeeeeh |
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| 16:20.35 | Penix | helix: I wish |
| 16:20.37 | helix | xilehph0ne |
| 16:20.38 | helix | Penix: bah |
| 16:20.58 | Penix | helix: why? you coming down? |
| 16:21.08 | nailbiter | SwiftDeath: well, then, Knoppix perhaps? I can't really make a recommendation without knowing what he's really after .. |
| 16:21.12 | AdmiralNemo | Why is dbootstrap looking in images-1.44 for the files it needs, when I am using a cd? |
| 16:21.15 | helix | Penix: dunno, I want to go. I was thinking about submitting a paper. |
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| 16:21.46 | Penix | I might go if I can get the money together (and a cheap notebook) |
| 16:21.48 | SwiftDeath | just ease and speed, outta the box, thats all nailbiter |
| 16:21.56 | Moose- | hmmmmm |
| 16:22.03 | directhex | that's all which os has that? |
| 16:22.03 | SwiftDeath | i'd go with rpm but i beleive deb has more packages and their more universal |
| 16:22.04 | Moose- | now that disconnect is freezing my ssh term, too |
| 16:22.17 | Penix | would certainly be nice to meet some #debian people |
| 16:22.18 | Moose- | it's not disconnecting the session, but i can't type or anything |
| 16:22.20 | _etc | do 2.2 kernels support ext3? |
| 16:22.23 | helix | Penix: yeah, that's why I want to submit a paper. so they can pay. :) |
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| 16:22.39 | Penix | helix: heh. bob2 has the same idea for me |
| 16:22.40 | helix | Penix: it's prohibitively expensive to fly to .au from .us |
| 16:22.46 | JoshTriplett | _etc: Not as far as I know. |
| 16:22.48 | helix | Penix: right, where are you? |
| 16:22.54 | thomas_adam | _etc: No. |
| 16:22.55 | macewan | straw is nice :) |
| 16:23.09 | helix | and debconf is going to be in july. meh. |
| 16:23.12 | thomas_adam | _etc: 2.4.0 and upwards. |
| 16:23.16 | directhex | SwiftDeath, http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD03OTM= |
| 16:23.32 | Penix | helix: nsw north coast. about 6 hours north of sydney |
| 16:23.49 | helix | Penix: ah, ok. 6 hours by plan? |
| 16:23.52 | helix | plane |
| 16:24.01 | Penix | helix: car/train |
| 16:24.02 | SwiftDeath | thanks directhex |
| 16:24.20 | Penix | not sure exactly how long it takes on the train (that's probably how I'd get there) |
| 16:24.31 | _etc | thomas_adam:woody installation I've got ises 2.2.##-ide as a kernel, then I have to use ext2 |
| 16:24.33 | helix | Penix: that's not so bad.. bob2 can let all the #debian people crash with him |
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| 16:25.02 | thomas_adam | _etc: Migrating ext2->ext3 with a 2.4.X kernel is painless. Of course, installing with bf24 would have helped you. |
| 16:25.02 | helix | I'll sleep elsewhere though, you guys creep me out. |
| 16:25.08 | Penix | hehe |
| 16:25.08 | t-jack | Nautilus is broken... |
| 16:25.16 | t-jack | You cannot do multiple split windows or multiple tabs. |
| 16:25.31 | thomas_adam | _etc: Just apt-get a 2.4.X kernel. |
| 16:25.40 | thomas_adam | !tell _etc about ext2->ext3 |
| 16:25.42 | helix | t-jack: temporary solution: screen and a good terminal |
| 16:25.46 | t-jack | Bah. Hafta use Konq, I guess. |
| 16:25.54 | k-god | t-jack: That second line was unnecessary. |
| 16:25.55 | thomas_adam | t-jack: splitvt can also be used. |
| 16:26.13 | AdmiralNemo | Why is dbootstrap looking for images-1.44/rescue.bin, and where do I find it, because it doesn't seem to be able to do it on its own? |
| 16:26.17 | k-god | ...or mc |
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| 16:27.13 | _etc | thomas_adam:It looks simpler than I thought. Thanks |
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| 16:27.55 | bluefox83 | what is getty and why do i get an error from it on startup saying it doesn't exhist? |
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| 16:29.09 | mickeyks | what city is debconf going to be in |
| 16:29.18 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: man getty |
| 16:30.39 | bluefox83 | thomas_adam, it's for modems? |
| 16:30.50 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: and ttys |
| 16:30.59 | bluefox83 | whats ttys? |
| 16:31.04 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: :| |
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| 16:31.27 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: Why do cats meaow? |
| 16:31.32 | jeanpoldeux | @}>~~>~~ et hop, a rose for emacs21. |
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| 16:31.39 | bluefox83 | thomas_adam, communication |
| 16:32.05 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: tty is your terminal type. |
| 16:32.17 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: Some googling on your part is needed. |
| 16:32.33 | bluefox83 | thomas_adam, do i need ttys and/or getty if i have ethernet ? |
| 16:32.46 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: The two are not even comparible. |
| 16:32.47 | Guerin | gah, I hates packing |
| 16:32.55 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Where you going? |
| 16:33.06 | bluefox83 | thomas_adam, so do i need them or not? |
| 16:33.19 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: Yes. They're _always_ there. |
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| 16:33.30 | bluefox83 | getty is missing.. |
| 16:33.31 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: What are you trying to do? |
| 16:33.40 | bluefox83 | nothing |
| 16:33.53 | bluefox83 | just wondering why i get an error about getty being missing when i start X |
| 16:33.55 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: install mingetty |
| 16:34.44 | bluefox83 | thomas_adam, done :) |
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| 16:35.33 | Guerin | thomas_adam: road trippin' |
| 16:35.35 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: also install util-linux |
| 16:35.42 | thomas_adam | Guerin: woooo. |
| 16:36.01 | bluefox83 | thomas_adam, it's already installed |
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| 16:36.22 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: Then you have it already. It's in /sbin/ as /sbin/getty |
| 16:36.40 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: But I have no idea WTF you're trying to do. |
| 16:36.43 | mike_25 | I just installed 2.4.18 kernel and now my pcmcia isn't working. It says "Starting PCMCIA services: module directory /lib/modules/2.4.18-1-686/pcmcia not found." |
| 16:36.53 | mike_25 | How do I reinstall the pcmcia bus ? |
| 16:36.53 | bob2 | "hurricane" is a cool song |
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| 16:37.07 | bluefox83 | thomas_adam, just trying to figure out why i get an error for it not being there when i start X, that's all |
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| 16:37.26 | Guerin | a couple thousand km, the capital cities of two ancient korean kingdoms, a temple containing the oldst extant woodblocks of the buddhist tripitaka, two mountains with a swingbridge between them, and an island connected to the mainland by an isthmus which is uncovered at low tide, in four days :) |
| 16:37.29 | thomas_adam | mike_25: You mean pcmcia-cs ? |
| 16:37.49 | Guerin | we're just eating dinner now :) |
| 16:37.54 | gandy909 | from a bare base install of Woody from CD, about how long will a dist-upgrade to unstable take over a good high-speed connection? |
| 16:37.54 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Have fun. :) |
| 16:38.10 | thomas_adam | gandy909: 90 mins? |
| 16:38.13 | nailbiter | bluefox83: okay -- is /sbin/getty missing, to begin with? it should not be. |
| 16:38.15 | Guerin | gandy909: depends how much you get.If you stick with base, only about 15 minutes |
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| 16:38.23 | mike_25 | Hmm |
| 16:38.25 | gandy909 | thx |
| 16:38.29 | mike_25 | I guess I mean pcmcia-cs |
| 16:38.36 | mike_25 | I just checked and it's already installed |
| 16:38.37 | ribnitz | Guerin: worth a visit? |
| 16:38.43 | thomas_adam | mike_25: apt-get --reinstall install pcmcia-cs, then. |
| 16:38.45 | mike_25 | it was working fine until I upgraded to the new kernel |
| 16:38.45 | Guerin | ribnitz: where? |
| 16:38.46 | mike_25 | ok |
| 16:38.50 | mike_25 | ty |
| 16:39.20 | mike_25 | damn.. |
| 16:39.21 | ribnitz | Guerin: the place you described, sorry was afk |
| 16:39.26 | mike_25 | can't apt-get because my network card is pcmcia |
| 16:39.36 | thomas_adam | mike_25: It is part of base. |
| 16:39.44 | thomas_adam | mike_25: What are you trying to do? |
| 16:39.45 | mike_25 | ok |
| 16:39.46 | Guerin | ribnitz: haha, that place is basically the whole lower half of South Korea :) |
| 16:39.50 | mike_25 | leme change my apt sources |
| 16:39.58 | Guerin | ribnitz: yeah, worth a visit, I guess :) |
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| 16:41.41 | Guerin | man |
| 16:41.43 | scarynetworkguy | w00t I've got banwidth again :) |
| 16:41.56 | Guerin | Bunny's favourite food is bread |
| 16:41.59 | Bac9 | whenever any app acceses a certain font I get "Major opcode of failed request: 45 (X_OpenFont)" and the app crashes, how can I fix this? |
| 16:42.11 | bluefox83 | is cfdisk and cfdisk-utf8 the same thing? |
| 16:42.11 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, makes sense grains and stuff |
| 16:42.12 | Guerin | this is the plumb craziest rabbit I ever saw |
| 16:42.29 | Guerin | bluefox83: no, one had utf-8 support |
| 16:42.44 | Guerin | I'll leave it as an excercise to you which is which |
| 16:42.57 | Guerin | remove a c from that last sentence at your leisure |
| 16:43.07 | bluefox83 | Guerin, then i can't find cfdisk, all i have is the -utf8 one. and it returned a fatal error when i tried to run it on my second hard drive... |
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| 16:43.20 | Guerin | bluefox83: you can't find cfdisk?? |
| 16:43.23 | gandy909 | does a dist-upgrade include a new kernel? I didn't see one in the list |
| 16:43.30 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: Are you even using Debian? |
| 16:43.35 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:43.36 | Guerin | bluefox83: is this that same crazy install you had this morning? |
| 16:43.43 | bluefox83 | thomas_adam, of course i'm using debian!!!! |
| 16:43.45 | nailbiter | bluefox83: cfdisk should be in the 'util-linux' package. |
| 16:43.47 | Bac9 | how can I find out what package provides a certain font? |
| 16:43.51 | Guerin | which is in base |
| 16:43.59 | thomas_adam | nailbiter: Which I told him earlier about, which he has installed. |
| 16:44.00 | nailbiter | bluefox83: if it's missing, try re-installing the package with 'apt-get --reinstall util-linux' |
| 16:44.10 | nailbiter | bluefox83: erk, make that 'apt-get --reinstall install util-linux; |
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| 16:44.24 | bluefox83 | k, i'll give that a spin |
| 16:44.25 | thomas_adam | Bac9: apt-file |
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| 16:44.39 | nailbiter | thomas_adam: how strange |
| 16:44.41 | ribnitz | hey ppl, does awk start counting at zero? |
| 16:44.47 | thomas_adam | nailbiter: Not really. |
| 16:44.48 | Guerin | !ppl |
| 16:44.48 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.] |
| 16:44.57 | nailbiter | ribnitz: it starts at line 1. |
| 16:44.57 | hackeron | what font do you use for maximum readability? |
| 16:44.58 | thomas_adam | Lots of people repeat the same advice 10x over. |
| 16:45.05 | hyksos | hi, can i port X from another machine to mine, and act workspace 4 as the other computer? |
| 16:45.06 | thomas_adam | hackeron: Symbol. |
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| 16:45.15 | Guerin | hackeron: bitstream vera sans 8 |
| 16:45.30 | bluefox83 | rutroh :X |
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| 16:45.42 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: You're in no state to advise. :) |
| 16:45.43 | bluefox83 | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/util-linux_2.12-7_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 16:45.43 | dpkg | You are moron #29, bluefox83 |
| 16:45.45 | ribnitz | nailbiter: its more I want the third word of a line, so I do grep ^something somefile |awk {print $3} ? |
| 16:45.47 | Bac9 | thomas_adam: it doesn't find anything, yet xfontsel sees it |
| 16:45.47 | jeanpoldeux | hackeron: smooth |
| 16:45.49 | hackeron | Guerin: thomas_adam: thanks, going to try both. I'm on terminus, its great, but lacks sizes so doesnt work in a web browser |
| 16:45.56 | Guerin | ... |
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| 16:46.10 | nailbiter | ribnitz: awk '/pattern/ { print $3 }' |
| 16:46.15 | Guerin | symbol's pretty hot, but I just reckon he might go with BV |
| 16:46.16 | housetier | I installed cups on a remote machine and attached an usb printer to it. what config file do I have to edit so I can admin printers from my workstation? |
| 16:46.18 | bluefox83 | unable to stat `./sbin/mkfs.minix' (which I was about to install): Input/output error |
| 16:46.19 | hyksos | how can i see X from another machine on mine? |
| 16:46.20 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: awk /^foo/ {print $3}' |
| 16:46.32 | bluefox83 | how do i fix that? |
| 16:46.34 | thomas_adam | !tell hyksos about vnc |
| 16:46.47 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: Your drive is fux0rd. |
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| 16:46.53 | Guerin | i/o error = media about to or has already failed |
| 16:46.54 | nailbiter | housetier: it depends on the person. :) some people can read antialiased text for hours on end without eyestrain; some others prefer a bitmapped font, like 'efont' or 'fixed' .. |
| 16:46.56 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: cat file|awk .. ? |
| 16:47.01 | hyksos | but there is a simpler X solution or |
| 16:47.02 | gandy909 | ack. is it common for dist-upgrade to crap out with an error? it quit on flex_2.5.31-27_i386.deb |
| 16:47.06 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: awk '/foo/' file |
| 16:47.07 | bluefox83 | thomas_adam, no shit sherlock, how do i fix it |
| 16:47.17 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: Throw in bin; buy new one. |
| 16:47.17 | mwilson | Does anyone get to know what the error was? |
| 16:47.19 | Bac9 | whenever any app acceses a certain font I get "Major opcode of failed request: 45 (X_OpenFont)" with a few more lines of errors and the app crashes, how can I fix this? |
| 16:47.20 | Covener | hyksos: x11vnc / x2vnc |
| 16:47.31 | bluefox83 | thomas_adam, i don't have the money for a new one! |
| 16:47.36 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: awk '/foo/' file print $3 ? |
| 16:47.40 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: Backups, dear man. |
| 16:47.41 | mwilson | Bac9: Replace the font with a non-corrupted copy of it. |
| 16:47.42 | Guerin | bluefox83: then you'll have to do without a drive |
| 16:47.42 | hackeron | thomas_adam: Guerin: jeanpoldeux: I dont seem to have either, what font collections do they appear in? |
| 16:47.49 | housetier | nailbiter, I want to be able to open http://remotehost:631/ in my browser here on my workstation and not get a 403... |
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| 16:47.51 | nailbiter | bluefox83: oops. can you run 'dmesg' and look for 'ide:' error messages? |
| 16:47.53 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: awk '/foo/ {print $3}' file.txt |
| 16:48.04 | Bac9 | mwilson: and how can I find which package contains the font? (the step I am stuck on) |
| 16:48.11 | thomas_adam | Bac9: apt-file |
| 16:48.17 | thomas_adam | Bac9: dpkg -S |
| 16:48.18 | hyksos | then i need to run vnc too? the X server part can do that ,but how |
| 16:48.18 | Guerin | bluefox83: new drive? |
| 16:48.22 | Bac9 | thomas_adam: apt-file doesn't find anything! |
| 16:48.26 | mwilson | Bac9: dlocate |
| 16:48.29 | thomas_adam | Bac9: Of course it does. |
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| 16:48.38 | mwilson | Bac9: Any number of other tools. |
| 16:48.39 | thomas_adam | Bac9: You didn't run: apt-file update . |
| 16:48.43 | bluefox83 | end_request: I/O error, dev hdb, sector 120 |
| 16:48.43 | bluefox83 | Buffer I/O error on device hdb, logical block 15 |
| 16:48.43 | bluefox83 | hdb: drive not ready for command |
| 16:48.43 | bluefox83 | hdb: status error: status=0x00 { } |
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| 16:48.44 | scarynetworkguy | I hope it's me |
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| 16:48.55 | nailbiter | housetier: okay -- you want to configure CUPS on a remote machine with your web browser, and you're getting a whole lot of 'access denied's? |
| 16:48.56 | bluefox83 | fun fun |
| 16:49.00 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: #flood |
| 16:49.05 | Guerin | bluefox83: come on, you know better |
| 16:49.09 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: is that foo at the start of a line? or would that be /^foo/ ? |
| 16:49.11 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: You've been here lots of times to know that by now. |
| 16:49.14 | nailbiter | bluefox83: looks like your disk is dying. :) |
| 16:49.16 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: /^foo/ |
| 16:49.33 | housetier | nailbiter, yes exactly |
| 16:49.34 | nailbiter | bluefox83: which would explain the mysteriously missing /sbin/cfdisk, /sbin/fdisk and /sbin/getty. :) |
| 16:49.38 | bluefox83 | i thought it was bad geometry =( |
| 16:49.40 | Guerin | yeah |
| 16:49.43 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: Your drive is fucked. Get another one. If you don;t have any backups, then your data was not worth keeping by your own admission. |
| 16:49.48 | Guerin | well, in a way, it is |
| 16:49.56 | nailbiter | housetier: by default, CUPS will not allow remote access. you'll have to edit the cups.conf on that machine first .. |
| 16:50.03 | bluefox83 | eh, that drive was for media files..that's it. no system stuff |
| 16:50.16 | housetier | nailbiter, thanks |
| 16:50.19 | Guerin | all your oggs, mp3s and pr0n... |
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| 16:50.50 | Bac9 | thomas_adam: and which part of the font name do I search for? dpkg -S find stuff with the font name, but they're all tex fonts, not x fonts, is this correct? |
| 16:50.51 | bluefox83 | oggs mp3's, flacs and pirated movies =( |
| 16:50.53 | jasc | What reasons could tehre be, that I can't login into the text console? Seems that tty[1-9] is tehre, I just get 'login incorrect' every time I try to log in. |
| 16:50.54 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 16:50.55 | scarynetworkguy | bluefox83, which since you care about it is, of course, all safely backed up onto CD, right? |
| 16:51.05 | thomas_adam | Bac9: Please, leave me alobe. |
| 16:51.07 | hackeron | thomas_adam: Guerin: jeanpoldeux: so?? |
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| 16:51.15 | thomas_adam | hackeron: So what? |
| 16:51.18 | housetier | nailbiter, now I don't have that file... I only have /etc/cups/cupsd.conf is that the right one? if so, what do I look out for? |
| 16:51.19 | scarynetworkguy | chirp chirp tumbleweed blows by |
| 16:51.22 | bluefox83 | scarynetworkguy, i was in the middle of backing it up when it crashed!!!! |
| 16:51.22 | hackeron | thomas_adam: Guerin: jeanpoldeux: I dont seem to have either, what font collections do they appear in? |
| 16:51.28 | Guerin | hackeron: so what? |
| 16:51.32 | hackeron | thomas_adam: Guerin: jeanpoldeux: I dont seem to have either, what font collections do they appear in? |
| 16:51.32 | thomas_adam | hackeron: msttcorefonts ? |
| 16:51.33 | pzin | housetier: cupsd.conf it is |
| 16:51.37 | Guerin | !tell hackeron about search |
| 16:51.43 | scarynetworkguy | bluefox83, sucks to be you. :) |
| 16:51.46 | Guerin | hackeron: what am I, your google-wallah? |
| 16:51.59 | nailbiter | housetier: that's the one. look for the <Location> blocks toward the end of the file. some of them will have 'Allow From' and 'Deny From' lines. :) |
| 16:52.05 | hackeron | Guerin: no, you use the font, so you know, no need to google |
| 16:52.29 | hackeron | Guerin: lets not be redundant |
| 16:52.30 | thomas_adam | hackeron: You've demonstrated laziness a lot. In fact, everytime you come here. |
| 16:52.34 | Guerin | hackeron: I don't know. It might be in ttf-bitstream or something, but I'd have to search just like you will |
| 16:52.43 | hackeron | thomas_adam: so? |
| 16:52.43 | nailbiter | hackeron: you were looking for 'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono'? it's in the 'ttf-bitstream-vera' package, i think .. |
| 16:52.50 | scarynetworkguy | hackeron, Guerin is teaching you how to fish. go forth and learn |
| 16:53.01 | housetier | thanks alot nailbiter |
| 16:53.02 | housetier | :) |
| 16:53.02 | hackeron | nailbiter: yeah, figured, what about smooth and symbol? |
| 16:53.05 | nailbiter | housetier: have fun with cups. :) |
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| 16:53.24 | maelcum | hi, I'm on bash here only and wonder how i get rid of this monitor standby function..where is this file ? :) |
| 16:53.29 | nailbiter | hackeron: 'symbol' was thomas_adam's joke. :) you would have gotten greek characters with that font .. |
| 16:53.34 | hackeron | scarynetworkguy: you give a man a fish, he knows where to come for fish ;) -- you teach a man to fish and you've just destroyed your market base |
| 16:53.40 | thomas_adam | :) |
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| 16:53.59 | thomas_adam | maelcum: stterm -blank 0 |
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| 16:54.01 | thomas_adam | maelcum: setterm -blank 0 |
| 16:54.09 | Guerin | !moron hackeron |
| 16:54.10 | dpkg | hackeron: You are moron #21 |
| 16:54.17 | maelcum | ah thanks :) |
| 16:54.17 | scarynetworkguy | thanks Guerin |
| 16:54.21 | hackeron | Guerin: is that a daily count? |
| 16:54.31 | thomas_adam | hackeron: I have logs of your moronicness. |
| 16:54.34 | hackeron | !moron Guerin |
| 16:54.35 | dpkg | Guerin: You are moron #28 |
| 16:54.36 | Guerin | hackeron: no, he counts individually for each fucktard |
| 16:54.36 | gandy909 | do I have to upgrade flex on a dist-upgrade?? 'No' is automatically selected, but apt keeps crapping out and flex is mentioned in the error |
| 16:54.47 | thomas_adam | gandy909: so upgrade it. |
| 16:54.50 | hackeron | thomas_adam: heh, lets see |
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| 16:55.12 | mwilson | gandy909: And you're *still* expecting people here to guess what the error is. Is it some sort of secret? |
| 16:55.22 | Guerin | hackeron: don't make me drag out the #politics "lets kill all moslems because they're the stinking antichrist" logs... |
| 16:55.34 | Guerin | sorry, anti-YHWH |
| 16:55.36 | hackeron | Guerin: heh |
| 16:55.46 | hackeron | Guerin: not my words, dave hunt's quotes |
| 16:56.03 | hackeron | Guerin: still, thats not what I quoted either |
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| 16:56.12 | Guerin | hackeron: who's the bigger fool, the fool, or the fool who quotes the fool, in all earnestness? |
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| 16:56.23 | hackeron | Guerin: I quoted that if its someone obligation to kill you, you have a right to defend yourself, there's a subtle yet important distinction |
| 16:56.28 | scarynetworkguy | hackeron that would be my guess |
| 16:56.29 | Guerin | hackeron: I'm not geting into thois argument with you again, and especially not in here. |
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| 16:56.50 | bob2 | I'm glad you're bothin dropping it |
| 16:56.56 | bob2 | that's very mature of you |
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| 16:57.11 | hackeron | Guerin: well, you brought it up to begin with, by quoting out of context |
| 16:57.11 | mwilson | I think I heard a threat. |
| 16:57.18 | klipper | hey all, i just installed fluxbox 0.9.9 and now when i install new apps, they dont show up in my menu...the menu system is still the same, is there a way to make it show up in the menu automatically? |
| 16:57.21 | gandy909 | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archive/flex_2.5.31-27_i386.deb. E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code (1) |
| 16:57.27 | bob2 | gandy909: not an error |
| 16:57.29 | thomas_adam | klipper: update-menus ? |
| 16:57.33 | bob2 | gandy909: paste the actual error to #flood |
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| 16:57.47 | mwilson | klipper: And are you using the Debian menu, or one of your own? |
| 16:57.58 | thomas_adam | mwilson: He's been trying to do this for *days*. |
| 16:58.06 | klipper | mwilson: how would you define either one of those? |
| 16:58.09 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Oh. Another one of those, huh? |
| 16:58.11 | klipper | i have not edited the menu |
| 16:58.16 | bob2 | klipper: have you restarted fluxbox? |
| 16:58.19 | thomas_adam | mwilson: The clueless swimming at the deel-end. |
| 16:58.31 | klipper | thomas_adam, is havent been trying to do THIS for days |
| 16:58.39 | klipper | yes, i've restarted |
| 16:58.42 | gandy909 | bob2: so I just keep restarting apt as many times as it takes? |
| 16:59.11 | bob2 | gandy909: huh? no. paste the actual error message to #flood. |
| 16:59.12 | thomas_adam | gandy909: can we have the error in #flood ? |
| 16:59.16 | jack_ | hi, new reletively new to linux, new to debian. i am having problems with the x server. Thinking its with my video card nvidia geforce4 ti4600. can you point me to some documentation that might help me ? |
| 16:59.17 | mwilson | Unstable is packaging fluxcrap *CVS*? |
| 16:59.24 | mwilson | Wow. |
| 16:59.25 | thomas_adam | jack_: #nvidia |
| 16:59.28 | mwilson | Didn't expect that. |
| 16:59.32 | bob2 | jack_: are you using woody? |
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| 16:59.35 | jack_ | thank you |
| 16:59.36 | bob2 | mwilson: he changed his mind |
| 16:59.41 | thomas_adam | mwilson: And so the penny drops. :) |
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| 16:59.43 | Guerin | mwilson: no, I think klipper built this one himself |
| 16:59.45 | Cosmo` | alright peeps |
| 16:59.49 | jack_ | using woody |
| 16:59.51 | klipper | hmm, i take it mwilson dislikes fluxbox |
| 17:00.00 | bob2 | jack_: /msg dpkg geforce4 |
| 17:00.06 | mwilson | Guerin: If he built it himself, why is the clueless one surprised that it doesn't support the Debian menu? |
| 17:00.08 | jack_ | thank you |
| 17:00.12 | Cosmo` | i'm a bit stuck trying to install Debian, i always get stuck when i get up to the part of the install when i have to partition my drives |
| 17:00.22 | thomas_adam | Cosmo`: #debian-boot |
| 17:00.28 | Cosmo` | oh, lovely |
| 17:00.30 | Guerin | mwilson: I don't believe that question needs an answer. |
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| 17:00.39 | Cosmo` | thanks thomas_adam |
| 17:00.46 | mwilson | Guerin: It was rhetorical, only. |
| 17:00.48 | klipper | i installed fluxbox from a deb, i think |
| 17:00.59 | klipper | yeah, it was from a deb |
| 17:01.08 | scarynetworkguy | klipper, does it hurt to be stupid? |
| 17:01.11 | mwilson | bob2: Who changed their mind? The maintainer? |
| 17:01.14 | klipper | extremely |
| 17:01.36 | bob2 | mwilson: yes |
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| 17:02.05 | mwilson | bob2: Packaging a CVS checkout, and not even labeling it as such... very not-nice. |
| 17:02.11 | thomas_adam | "Arrggh, I have this weird '$' thing. I can't delete it from my screen.... wot do i do?" |
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| 17:02.23 | klipper | out of all the 620 people or so in the chan, whyare you 3 (scarrynetworkguy, mwilson, thomas_adam) always in here being asses |
| 17:02.41 | somiaj | thomas_adam: use a magic marker and black it out....:P |
| 17:02.49 | Guerin | thomas_adam: search your house for any random bits of paper with that symbol on them, and send them all to the following address for disposal.... |
| 17:03.02 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, white out? |
| 17:03.08 | thomas_adam | Tipex, damn you! |
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| 17:03.35 | macewan | installing a .deb file is installed how? |
| 17:03.43 | thomas_adam | macewan: dpkg -i ./foo.deb |
| 17:03.48 | macewan | k |
| 17:03.49 | macewan | thanks |
| 17:03.58 | Guerin | why k? |
| 17:04.02 | thomas_adam | macewan: resolve the dependencies manually though. |
| 17:04.04 | Guerin | why does everyone use k? |
| 17:04.12 | klipper | i dont |
| 17:04.15 | klipper | i use fluxbox |
| 17:04.18 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, they have the stupids |
| 17:04.20 | Guerin | hah |
| 17:04.24 | macewan | Guerin: lazy |
| 17:04.26 | macewan | mk |
| 17:04.32 | mwilson | klipper: Really. Did I speak to you? |
| 17:04.32 | Guerin | macewan: damn straight |
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| 17:04.36 | klipper | i used to use kde, and its alrigh, but i like fluxbox |
| 17:04.44 | SwiftDeath | kde is too bloated for me |
| 17:04.58 | macewan | my wife prefers kde over gnome |
| 17:05.06 | bougyman | if debian menu didn't F UP the windowmaker menu, i'd still be using it. |
| 17:05.12 | SwiftDeath | lol i luve gnome, xfce and flux |
| 17:05.12 | Guerin | yeh, mine prefers it over xfce4 |
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| 17:05.17 | klipper | i prefer kde over gnome |
| 17:05.19 | bougyman | i hate having to run kde just to get the <ctrl>-F2 functionality. |
| 17:05.21 | mwilson | bougyman: Since it doesn't, why aren't you still using it? |
| 17:05.32 | bougyman | i meant wmaker, mwilson. |
| 17:05.54 | mwilson | bougyman: Which is why I asked you the question. |
| 17:05.56 | bougyman | for 4 years i tried to get the 'run program' function working with debian's menu, finally i just gave up. |
| 17:05.57 | bluefox83 | icewm all the way >.> |
| 17:06.02 | SwiftDeath | I'm curious what php portals do u all use? Php-Nuke? Post-Nuke? or Mk-portal? |
| 17:06.06 | aktinos | bougyman: grun |
| 17:06.11 | bougyman | grun? |
| 17:06.14 | bougyman | no f-ing way. |
| 17:06.18 | hackeron | SwiftDeath: mediawiki |
| 17:06.18 | Guerin | err, wtf is a php portal? WHy not just use php? |
| 17:06.33 | SwiftDeath | build in features |
| 17:06.35 | bougyman | this may be the only channel i haven't asked the question to, i've posed it on the wmaker list tons of times. |
| 17:06.36 | SwiftDeath | easier to use and stuff |
| 17:06.43 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, see earliet conversation about "k" same reason here |
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| 17:06.49 | nickv111 | Hello |
| 17:06.55 | mwilson | bougyman: Uh, is there some reason to not just use wmaker's built-in run dialog? |
| 17:06.57 | ribnitz | hi there |
| 17:07.05 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, no but then again you have a couple of clues |
| 17:07.06 | bougyman | mwilson: that's the one I can't seem to get to. |
| 17:07.13 | bougyman | unless it's grun. |
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| 17:07.21 | mwilson | bougyman: Well, there's no accounting for incompetence. |
| 17:07.23 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: not when it comes to any kind of programming or scripting language, I don't. |
| 17:07.31 | bougyman | indeed, mwilson. |
| 17:07.35 | mike_25 | How do I reinstall pcmcia-cs if I can't get on the network. I don't think my cdrom has it (I added my cdrom to the sources.list and it says "sorry, reinstallation of pcmcia-cs is not possible, it cannot be downloaded). |
| 17:07.36 | Guerin | I can't code my way into a paper bag, let alone out of one... |
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| 17:07.53 | hackeron | Guerin: see, again with the redundancy. Why douplicate work if you can use something useable enough and improve it. |
| 17:08.13 | mike_25 | Can I download pcmcia-cs and put it on a floppy or something |
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| 17:08.16 | Guerin | hackeron: I don't follow... |
| 17:08.17 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, those are skills. In this context "clue" is an approach to life. Also known as the ability to learn and think. :) |
| 17:08.31 | zeo33x | where the hell is libttif3g or whatever? |
| 17:08.33 | nickv111 | I was wondering, what option do I need to change in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to make it not use the trackpad as a primary mouse button? I have a button below it for that |
| 17:08.34 | bluefox83 | mike_25, you might try apt-get install pcmcia-cs |
| 17:08.41 | somiaj | mike_25: if the version in your cache for apt is newer than the version on the cd, it won't try to install the one from the cd, even if its there....you could just go look for the deb on the cd with find or locate |
| 17:08.41 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, I am using it in kind of a non-standard way |
| 17:08.44 | mwilson | zeo33x: In unstable? It's nowhere, of course. |
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| 17:08.49 | nailbiter | mike_25: yes, you can. head to http://packages.debian.org; there's a nice search form there you can use. |
| 17:08.59 | mwilson | zeo33x: As endlessly discussed, it's transitioned to libtiff4. |
| 17:09.04 | mike_25 | hmm |
| 17:09.07 | maelcum | is there a way to move and open windows in x without a mouse? |
| 17:09.11 | zeo33x | mwilson: emacs and eterm depends on it. so they are broken i guess |
| 17:09.16 | mike_25 | It says "sorry, pcmcia-cs is already the latest version" |
| 17:09.16 | zinx | maelcum: ctrl-alt-numlock |
| 17:09.22 | zeo33x | mwilson: yea i noticed |
| 17:09.23 | mike_25 | I guess i'll try uninstalling it |
| 17:09.24 | zinx | maelcum: then use the numeric keypad |
| 17:09.24 | mwilson | zeo33x: Until they're rebuilt, they are. |
| 17:09.36 | zeo33x | mwilson: is there a workaround? |
| 17:09.42 | bluefox83 | maelcum, ctrl tab, and alt tab work pretty good |
| 17:09.47 | mwilson | zeo33x: So, you're another unstable user who doesn't think he needs to pay attention to what's actually happening in unstable, huh? |
| 17:09.52 | nickv111 | I use unstable and have never run into problems |
| 17:09.52 | nickv111 | :D |
| 17:09.54 | jasc | Hi! What reasons could there be, that I can't login into the text console? I get a 'Login incorrect' every time I try. I can log in into kde just fine. /dev/tty[1-9] is there (the only hint from the web), I'm using udev. |
| 17:09.54 | nailbiter | mike_25: did you recently upgrade to a 2.4.x kernel and find your PCMCIA devices no longer working? |
| 17:10.03 | mike_25 | Yup |
| 17:10.07 | Guerin | !flw7 |
| 17:10.11 | iwilcox | nickv111: Some people want it that way. |
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| 17:10.16 | zeo33x | mwilson: i know whats happening, but knowing doesnt solve the problem does it |
| 17:10.25 | Guerin | !flw7 is <nickv111> I use unstable and have never run into problems |
| 17:10.25 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 17:10.41 | Guerin | !famous last words =~ s/6/6|7/ |
| 17:10.41 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 17:10.47 | nickv111 | What's flw7? |
| 17:10.58 | nickv111 | Oh |
| 17:10.58 | Guerin | nickv111: famous last words #7 |
| 17:11.02 | mwilson | zeo33x: You knew nothing until I told you. |
| 17:11.02 | nickv111 | Famous last words? |
| 17:11.08 | nailbiter | mike_25: hm. could you do a 'grep -w PCIC /etc/default/pcmcia'? |
| 17:11.17 | nickv111 | How are those my last words? |
| 17:11.28 | Guerin | nickv111: it's metaphorical. |
| 17:11.34 | Guerin | !famous last words |
| 17:11.35 | dpkg | i heard flw5 is <l3> macs never have problems |
| 17:11.48 | zeo33x | mwilson: yea i knew libtiff4 was there, but why would someone knowing do something so reckless? they *knew* they would break tons of packages doing that |
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| 17:11.58 | nickv111 | !flw |
| 17:11.59 | nickv111 | Er |
| 17:12.01 | nickv111 | !flw1 |
| 17:12.01 | dpkg | well, flw1 is <coachz> i don't need no stinking docs |
| 17:12.06 | nickv111 | !flw2 |
| 17:12.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, flw2 is <Tezkah> what? Linux is a fortress! combined with GNU! its unstoppable! |
| 17:12.10 | Guerin | okok |
| 17:12.12 | Guerin | enough |
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| 17:12.16 | nickv111 | Sorry |
| 17:12.16 | dfcc | anyone know any software that will allow me to play windows games on debian? |
| 17:12.25 | Guerin | dfcc: winex |
| 17:12.29 | scarynetworkguy | nickv111, msg the bot and play with him all you want on your own time |
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| 17:12.37 | Guerin | dfcc: http://winehq.com |
| 17:12.40 | mwilson | zeo33x: Uh, no, they knew they would break the list of packages that've been discussed on debian-devel for over a week, that're all scheduled to be rebuilt. |
| 17:12.44 | dfcc | Guerin: will it work with most windows games? |
| 17:12.45 | hackeron | Guerin: its no longer known as winex |
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| 17:12.57 | Guerin | dfcc: I have NFI, I care not a whit for windows games. |
| 17:13.04 | mwilson | zeo33x: The packages that're being uploaded with the new dependency, in fact. |
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| 17:13.11 | dfcc | hackeron: whats it known as? |
| 17:13.18 | mwilson | zeo33x: Amazing what you learn if you actually pay attention, isn't it? |
| 17:13.25 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, dfcc hackeron wines is http;//www.transgaming.com wine is http://www.winehq.com |
| 17:13.32 | scarynetworkguy | s/wines/winex |
| 17:13.36 | Guerin | hackeron: actually, it's still KNOWN as winex - it might be properly called something else, but most people still know it as winex |
| 17:13.42 | mwilson | zeo33x: If you can't deal with unstable being broken, then don't use unstable. |
| 17:13.43 | nickv111 | Wow, I'm famous |
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| 17:13.45 | nickv111 | ... |
| 17:13.49 | nickv111 | flw7 :D |
| 17:13.59 | zeo33x | mwilson: you mean there is a workaround? |
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| 17:14.08 | mwilson | zeo33x: Did I say there was? |
| 17:14.12 | somiaj | dfcc: its hit and miss with winex/cedega (new name), you just have to check out their webpage, transgaming.com and see if the games you want are supported or not. |
| 17:14.14 | zeo33x | mwilson: no |
| 17:14.25 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: whatever. Like I said, IJDGAF. |
| 17:14.28 | mwilson | zeo33x: Then why do you keep asking me for one? |
| 17:14.47 | zeo33x | mwilson: because i thought you 'pay attention', but i guess thats about as far as you get anyways |
| 17:14.51 | dfcc | k, thanks guys |
| 17:15.02 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, you are exactly right. I ws just pointing at transgaming instead of winehq I did not even know they had changed the name |
| 17:15.03 | hackeron | Guerin: whatever you say. Its Cedega now |
| 17:15.52 | dfcc | TransGaming Unveils WineX 4.0 And Announces New Product Name: Cedega |
| 17:16.10 | Chameleon22 | started to play around with fedora and this just reminded me why i chaged to debian ! |
| 17:16.14 | Chameleon22 | BAH |
| 17:16.15 | hackeron | http://www.transgaming.com/news.php?newsid=119 |
| 17:16.30 | hackeron | Chameleon22: why? |
| 17:16.31 | ribnitz | Chameleon22: Fedora rox, debian sux. we all know. |
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| 17:17.01 | Chameleon22 | well i tend to know both, actually all 3 (rhel to) and i like debian more |
| 17:17.17 | Chameleon22 | know = know equally well |
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| 17:17.38 | SwiftDeath | yeah but debian is very hard |
| 17:17.40 | SwiftDeath | for newbs |
| 17:17.47 | iwilcox | SwiftDeath: It is? |
| 17:17.54 | ribnitz | SwiftDeath: is it? |
| 17:17.55 | hyksos | how can i load a native language module with 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:18.04 | Chameleon22 | well i was a newb and used RH and grew out of it and went for debian |
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| 17:18.07 | mwilson | zeo33x: Guess you better start looking for a version of that package somewhere, then. |
| 17:18.07 | Guerin | SwiftDeath: only because it forces them to make decisions |
| 17:18.08 | hackeron | SwiftDeath: try xandros 2 (debian based) |
| 17:18.11 | ribnitz | hyksos: modprone? |
| 17:18.13 | bougyman | grun is not part of wmaker. |
| 17:18.21 | nailbiter | hyksos: you want to mount an SMB share with foreign-language filenames? |
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| 17:18.24 | mwilson | bougyman: No one ever said it was. |
| 17:18.29 | zeo33x | mwilson: yea, thanks for the info |
| 17:18.30 | SwiftDeath | Guerin: the normal newb doesn't like that |
| 17:18.31 | scarynetworkguy | !be thinking barbie |
| 17:18.33 | bougyman | mwilson: do you happen to know how to activate the wmaker 'run program' functionality using a debian menu file? |
| 17:18.38 | topyli | SwiftDeath: all are the same for the user. it's the desktop that matters. |
| 17:18.45 | SwiftDeath | hackeron: can that distro still use apt-get? |
| 17:18.51 | somiaj | bougyman: gmrun is another option. |
| 17:18.59 | hyksos | ribnitz : but where do i know the module name? |
| 17:19.04 | hackeron | SwiftDeath: its debian based, you can use debian's repositories with limited to no problems |
| 17:19.05 | SwiftDeath | i happen to think debian is the best distro for advanced usres |
| 17:19.08 | hyksos | nailbiter :no |
| 17:19.11 | mwilson | bougyman: "a" Debian menu file? There's only one. |
| 17:19.19 | Chameleon22 | SwiftDeath, i agree |
| 17:19.22 | SwiftDeath | hackeron: thats where .deb is superior cause rpms can't be ran like that |
| 17:19.30 | bougyman | mwilson: huh? |
| 17:19.32 | Guerin | SwiftDeath: <shrug> The new d-i kicks so much arse and makes things so easy that there'll soon be few complaints, I think. Except from people with cheap sata and wireless eth caqrd which aren't properly supported in-kernel... |
| 17:19.32 | hyksos | ribnitz :the correct name i mean |
| 17:19.44 | mwilson | bougyman: Create your own menu, include the Debian one within it, add whatever you want to it including your own option to bring up the run dialog. |
| 17:20.04 | SwiftDeath | i wouldn't know cause i'm fedora right now |
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| 17:20.08 | hackeron | SwiftDeath: debian has its share of problems. |
| 17:20.17 | mwilson | Guerin: <shrug> It'll drive me away. |
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| 17:20.36 | Guerin | mwilson: We had this discussion already :) |
| 17:20.37 | SwiftDeath | hackeron: like what? |
| 17:20.46 | bougyman | mwilson: there are tons of menu files in /usr/lib/menu, and I have local additions and overrides in ~ |
| 17:20.49 | hackeron | SwiftDeath: incomplete testing repository |
| 17:20.54 | hyksos | where are the modules located that i can load with modprobe? |
| 17:21.03 | Guerin | mwilson: there will always be the woody installer and debootstrap... |
| 17:21.04 | bougyman | i simply cannot figure out how to get a 'run program' dialog in there. |
| 17:21.06 | hackeron | SwiftDeath: problems dist upgrading |
| 17:21.15 | hackeron | SwiftDeath: multiple lib installations for compatibility |
| 17:21.31 | SwiftDeath | hackeron: i thought the good thing about debian once its installed u just always upgrade to the latest? |
| 17:21.33 | mwilson | bougyman: So add a local menu entry for the Run dialog. |
| 17:21.35 | hackeron | SwiftDeath: There are a lot more, but I dont want to start a flamewar :) |
| 17:21.37 | Guerin | hackeron: only in unstable. |
| 17:21.38 | nailbiter | hyksos: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name nls_\*.ko | xargs -i basename '{}' .ko |
| 17:21.40 | bougyman | right, that's what I want to do. |
| 17:21.40 | JoshTriplett | If I need to set locale variables for my user account, before X programs are run, should I set them in .xsession, or is there a better location? |
| 17:21.52 | bougyman | i just can't find anything on how to call said Run dialog. (in wmaker) |
| 17:21.59 | Guerin | hackeron: rarely, if ever in stable, and at tolerably low levels in testing. |
| 17:22.00 | mwilson | Guerin: I really think after the Sarge release I'll be shifting at least my main desktop. |
| 17:22.04 | hackeron | Guerin: well, unstable is unstable, testing is incomplete, stable is not very useable for your average desktop |
| 17:22.25 | Guerin | mwilson: to what? |
| 17:22.28 | bougyman | the only way i've been able to do it is to convert debian's wmaker menu to wmakerconf compatible menu, at which point debian's menu system no longer updates the menu items. |
| 17:22.45 | mwilson | Guerin: Not sure yet... probably oBSD, the way things are looking. |
| 17:22.48 | bougyman | so it's either: manually maintain the menu or go without a run dialog. |
| 17:22.59 | Guerin | mwilson: that sounds liek you. |
| 17:23.00 | thomas_adam | bougyman: And why should you be so special as to want to do that? |
| 17:23.01 | bougyman | i can't believe they don't allow Run Dialog to be bound to a keystroke. |
| 17:23.06 | Penix | !hug openbsd |
| 17:23.10 | mwilson | bougyman: Or actually do one of the two things I told you. |
| 17:23.20 | JoshTriplett | Penix: That could be prickly. :) |
| 17:23.22 | mwilson | Guerin: Oh? Why? |
| 17:23.24 | bougyman | mwilson: you told me to add a local menu entry for the Run dialog. |
| 17:23.25 | somiaj | bougyman: gmrun works fine as a run dialog from my debian menu, as I'm sure any other run app.... |
| 17:23.31 | Penix | JoshTriplett: and poisonous |
| 17:23.34 | bob2 | Penix: how will the -penix tree deal with the new kernel development model? |
| 17:23.46 | mwilson | bougyman: Yes, or to create your own menu and incorporate the Debian menu within it. |
| 17:23.48 | bougyman | as stated previously, i cannot find said windowmaker Run dialog. afaik it's not an application. |
| 17:23.50 | Guerin | mwilson: it's solid, secure, stable, and entirely user-controlled. |
| 17:24.03 | bougyman | mwilson: yes, but it's not dynamic, i can only include the present debian menu |
| 17:24.21 | bougyman | update-menu doesn't update the menu, it becomes a static menu file in ~/GNUStep. |
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| 17:24.55 | mwilson | bougyman: Really? Since when? |
| 17:25.22 | bob2 | kingofsnake/kingofsnake |
| 17:25.30 | Penix | bob2: still uncertain at this point. although it could cause major set backs in the pro-theo driver. the anti-linus scheduler is looking better than ever! |
| 17:25.33 | bougyman | mwilson: don't know when it started, every time i convert with wmakerconf the debian menu becomes static. |
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| 17:25.43 | Penix | s/./,/ |
| 17:25.52 | bob2 | Penix: oh, outstanding |
| 17:25.52 | hackeron | scarynetworkguy: indeed ;), or press f3 in the ion window manager |
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| 17:26.06 | bougyman | hackeron: that's exactly what i'm looking for. |
| 17:26.15 | bougyman | i actually tried ion, too much decoration. |
| 17:26.18 | mwilson | bougyman: I don't remember telling you to convert anything. In any case, I'm not up for arguing about it. |
| 17:26.30 | hackeron | bougyman: ftp://public:asd@81.86.159.146/latest.jpeg |
| 17:26.34 | mwilson | *ion* has too much decoration compared to wmaker? |
| 17:26.37 | hackeron | bougyman: ion, yes, ion3, no :) |
| 17:26.39 | mwilson | What an odd statement. |
| 17:26.40 | bougyman | mwilson: there is no other option. |
| 17:26.47 | scarynetworkguy | bougyman, just use your xterm like god and nature inteded you too |
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| 17:27.00 | Penix | 2.7.0-penix1 will even feature an integrated ogg123 to play window licker at every boot |
| 17:27.04 | infinity005 | anyone know why sysctl -w kernel.printk='1 4 1 7' has no effect to what iptables displays on the console? |
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| 17:27.11 | Guerin | Penix: hahah |
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| 17:27.20 | bob2 | Penix: AT wanted your soul |
| 17:27.23 | bob2 | and now he has it |
| 17:27.29 | Penix | hehe |
| 17:27.29 | mwilson | bougyman: Whatever you say. I'm sorry I even mentioned it. |
| 17:27.33 | bob2 | hm, I wonder if I could go to cornwall |
| 17:27.34 | bougyman | mwilson: my wmaker has 0 decoration, it's all keystroke controlled. |
| 17:27.41 | hyksos | when i try to load modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.7/kernel/fs/nls/nls_iso8859-15.ko |
| 17:27.46 | scarynetworkguy | Penix, can I pre-order a copy? :) |
| 17:27.46 | bougyman | other than the lack of said run dialog. |
| 17:27.48 | hyksos | it returned could not find |
| 17:27.58 | Penix | -penix2 seems like a good release to include the richard splash screen |
| 17:27.58 | Guerin | ventolin rocked my world for a while there back in 1997 or 8 |
| 17:27.58 | iwilcox | Dammit, google needs a --no-effing-templated-price-comparison-sites option |
| 17:27.58 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: How long? |
| 17:28.02 | mwilson | Guerin: I've been fiddling with oBSD for some time now... so far it's quite nice. |
| 17:28.18 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, 7.5 hours. :) |
| 17:28.25 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: tick tock. |
| 17:28.35 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam, goes the clock |
| 17:28.37 | Guerin | mwilson: I almost installed it instead of debian on my new router box - but I needed it up and running pretty quick, so I stuck with what I knew |
| 17:28.40 | hyksos | ah ,insmod is working |
| 17:28.41 | JoshTriplett | If I need to set locale variables for my user account, before X programs are run, should I set them in .xsession, or is there a better location? |
| 17:28.43 | hackeron | bougyman: I set up a key combination to hide window decorations in ion, but they are very thin as it is, and are used in window tabbing, so no wasted space |
| 17:28.44 | bob2 | Penix: write your damn paper |
| 17:28.51 | goodell | mwilson: how is ion3 better than ion2? |
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| 17:28.59 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: In your xsession is an excellent place to set them. |
| 17:28.59 | Penix | :P |
| 17:29.00 | goodell | er, hackeron |
| 17:29.03 | bob2 | JoshTriplett: ~/.xsession, or something it sources |
| 17:29.05 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: get .xsession to source ~/.bash_profile which houses them. |
| 17:29.07 | bob2 | Penix: I'm serious |
| 17:29.10 | nailbiter | hyksos: do 'modprobe nls_iso8859-15'. or use 'insmod' if you want to supply module pathnames instead. |
| 17:29.12 | bob2 | ! |
| 17:29.13 | morfeo | hi |
| 17:29.15 | Penix | so am I :P |
| 17:29.20 | JoshTriplett | mwilson, bob2, thomas_adam: Thanks. |
| 17:29.21 | codyb81 | whats the right way to upgrade from testing to unstable? |
| 17:29.21 | hackeron | goodell: it isnt, you just get more kludges and stuff to automate more things like better focus control, renaming tabs, etc |
| 17:29.27 | mwilson | My .xsession sources $ENV, but the idea is the same. |
| 17:29.30 | hackeron | goodell: also, isnt it a complete rewrite? |
| 17:29.35 | bob2 | codyb81: /msg dpkg testing->unstable |
| 17:29.40 | bougyman | hackeron: far more decoration that I prefer. |
| 17:29.40 | codyb81 | thx |
| 17:29.40 | bob2 | mine sources ~/.zshenv |
| 17:29.47 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: I think I'll go with that, except s/_profile/rc/ . |
| 17:29.51 | Penix | speaking of lca though, I really *have* to get to 2k5, especially if helix decides to show up |
| 17:29.56 | bob2 | since, of course, zsh 0wnz j00 |
| 17:29.59 | mwilson | Guerin: I've not tried running X on oBSD yet, though... my oBSD boxen are all headless. |
| 17:30.00 | hackeron | bougyman: it isnt decorations, its window tabbing, that can be easily removed all together |
| 17:30.02 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: however you have it setup will be fine. ;) |
| 17:30.04 | bob2 | Penix: do it |
| 17:30.08 | helix | Penix: what makes my appearance special? |
| 17:30.10 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: Since my .bash_profile is only ". ~/.bashrc". |
| 17:30.12 | hackeron | bougyman: and are very customizeable |
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| 17:30.19 | goodell | hackeron: I'm not sure. I've been using ion for years, ion1 at first and recently switched to ion2 |
| 17:30.21 | Guerin | awright, road trippin' in 6 hours, time for some shuteye |
| 17:30.28 | Penix | helix: just means there's more people to meet |
| 17:30.30 | helix | and yes, zsh rules |
| 17:30.30 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, where you going? |
| 17:30.34 | Guerin | see you lot in a week or so |
| 17:30.39 | helix | Penix: ah, indeed. plan to be disappointed anyway :) |
| 17:30.41 | bob2 | Guerin: have fun |
| 17:30.46 | morfeo | anybody know how to get a gnome 2.6 desktop with out icons?? |
| 17:30.46 | helix | Guerin: have fun! debstats will miss you x:P |
| 17:30.51 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, have fun man |
| 17:31.00 | Penix | helix: likewise ;) |
| 17:31.00 | bougyman | hackeron: understood, but i've already got wmaker (and because of lack of run dialog, KDE) the way I want them. |
| 17:31.12 | hackeron | goodell: well, do you get software to open in the frames you want automatically? -- can you take transiency off and allow a find dialog from mozilla to auto jump to another frame and gain focus? -- or make any popup jump to a specific frame and not gain focus? |
| 17:31.15 | thomas_adam | helix: xteddytakeover, it's a pun on 'debiantakeover'. :) |
| 17:31.20 | helix | thomas_adam: hahahaha |
| 17:31.29 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: I managed to get UTF-8 characters displaying perfectly in my terminal using LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C . |
| 17:31.29 | scarynetworkguy | bougyman, what is this run dialog thing you keep going on about |
| 17:31.30 | helix | thomas_adam: what does xhelix look like? |
| 17:31.31 | bougyman | i playes with ion3 for a bit and didn't like the defaults, nor do i feel like learning lua for a window manager. |
| 17:31.34 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: Kongju, Hae-In-Sa, Daetangsan, Kyeongju, the south coast and an island which has a moses-like red-sea walkway thing at low tide |
| 17:31.35 | thomas_adam | helix: Scary. |
| 17:31.40 | mwilson | hackeron: Ask helix, she uses it. |
| 17:31.41 | hackeron | bougyman: well, gentoo has a working run dialog, pun intended ;) |
| 17:31.42 | helix | bougyman: you don't really have to learn lua |
| 17:31.44 | bougyman | scary: it's just something I like. |
| 17:31.45 | Guerin | helix: heheh |
| 17:31.46 | thomas_adam | helix: I'll let you know in a few hours yet. |
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| 17:31.50 | helix | thomas_adam: ok! |
| 17:31.56 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, it is pretty damn cool down there. You have all kinds of fun |
| 17:32.05 | Guerin | will do |
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| 17:32.07 | nailbiter | Guerin: have a safe and fun trip. :) |
| 17:32.19 | Penix | and I suppose I also need someone to help me ogle bob2's ibook |
| 17:32.24 | bougyman | as hackeron said, something like F3 in ion3, or ctrl-F2 in kde, or any key-bindable 'Run' action. |
| 17:32.24 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin, good seafood damn good |
| 17:32.27 | helix | bougyman: I thought I'd have to, but I just needed to override a few defaults |
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| 17:32.47 | bob2 | Penix: it's ogleable |
| 17:32.57 | hackeron | bougyman: did you see my screenshot? |
| 17:33.07 | Penix | bob2: duh |
| 17:33.08 | helix | hackeron: I wanna see |
| 17:33.16 | helix | I live for screenshots |
| 17:33.28 | goodell | hackeron: no, I don't get those spiffy features. Perhaps I don't know what I'm missing :) |
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| 17:33.28 | hackeron | helix: heh :) ftp://public:asd@81.86.159.146/latest.jpeg |
| 17:33.34 | Penix | I'll have to see if Rosso's free in April |
| 17:33.38 | hackeron | goodell: indeed :) |
| 17:33.40 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: Yup. I too have those defined. |
| 17:33.50 | hackeron | helix: you have one handy as well? |
| 17:33.59 | helix | hackeron: yeah, somewhere |
| 17:34.00 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: That particular set, or something different? |
| 17:34.01 | bob2 | Penix: "Merrick and Rosso Unplanned, Live from LCA!" |
| 17:34.05 | Penix | hehe |
| 17:34.15 | bob2 | Penix: I hear rosso has a paper about his new VM system all lined up |
| 17:34.19 | Penix | Rosso can do a talk on beard management with gnu/linux |
| 17:34.23 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: The same. |
| 17:34.28 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: Cool. |
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| 17:34.30 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 17:34.43 | Penix | or a facial hair mini-conf |
| 17:34.52 | bob2 | hahahaha |
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| 17:35.30 | codyb81 | anyone here ever done any work with X and 9 displays? |
| 17:35.50 | Penix | if I get to lca I'm going to have a gamp shirt made |
| 17:35.51 | JoshTriplett | codyb81: Heh. I don't know about 9, but I've done 2. :) |
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| 17:36.03 | gandy909 | ok. I did a dist-upgrade to unstable, which finally worked after saying yes to the flex question. then I installed a 2.6 kernel. anything else I need to do before rebooting? :) |
| 17:36.06 | codyb81 | JoshTriplett : we wanna do a 3x3 across 2 machines |
| 17:36.14 | thomas_adam | gandy909: pray? |
| 17:36.15 | JoshTriplett | codyb81: Cool. DMX? |
| 17:36.19 | codyb81 | use the network to bridge the two machines |
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| 17:36.21 | codyb81 | DMX? |
| 17:36.27 | gandy909 | heh, that's a given! |
| 17:36.31 | nailbiter | codyb81: http://dmx.sourceforge.net |
| 17:36.35 | JoshTriplett | codyb81: Distributed Multihead X. |
| 17:36.37 | hackeron | helix: oh, PS, I'm on chapter 22 now ;) |
| 17:36.39 | codyb81 | hmmm |
| 17:36.43 | infinity005 | gandy909: pray. i had a hell-of-a-time upgrading to 2.6 |
| 17:36.45 | bob2 | gandy909: make sure you read the whole instructions |
| 17:36.53 | bob2 | and do everything it said to do |
| 17:37.01 | codyb81 | can it do full motion video across? i'm hoping it has support for compression across... this is for a media display |
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| 17:37.09 | gandy909 | instructions? there's instructions? |
| 17:37.09 | infinity005 | bob2: good chance that won't save him :) |
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| 17:37.23 | JoshTriplett | codyb81: I know that with some fiddling it can to OpenGL across. |
| 17:37.34 | codyb81 | JoshTriplett : bad ass thanks. |
| 17:37.36 | Chameleon22 | i have a spare box, any suggestions what i could make of it ? |
| 17:37.37 | jcarr | hmmm.. what package is the X binary in? I installed x-server and x-common, thought it would be in those since they include startx >:( |
| 17:37.39 | JoshTriplett | codyb81: It can probably do XVideo; not sure. |
| 17:37.49 | helix | hackeron: http://cytosine.org/~helix/ion3.png |
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| 17:37.52 | nailbiter | codyb81: full motion video is possible over 100Mbps Ethernet and the plain X11 protocol; i'm assuming it's also doable with DMX-ified displays .. |
| 17:37.57 | helix | hackeron: chapter 22 of what? |
| 17:37.59 | JoshTriplett | jcarr: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 17:38.01 | iwilcox | Chameleon22: Make it make coffee for you. |
| 17:38.04 | bob2 | jcarr: x-window-system-core |
| 17:38.11 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: How powerful is it? |
| 17:38.14 | Chameleon22 | iwilcox, got a gf ;) |
| 17:38.17 | Zeit|idle | anyone familiar with bind9? |
| 17:38.18 | hackeron | helix: of whats in the screenshot |
| 17:38.20 | Deadline | i just installed gnome by apt-get, how to switch to gnome desktop now? |
| 17:38.22 | iwilcox | Chameleon22: *grin* |
| 17:38.22 | Chameleon22 | JoshTriplett, eh like p200 |
| 17:38.32 | codyb81 | nailbiter : but doing it at 4x 1024x768.. 100mbit isn't enough i'm guessig |
| 17:38.35 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: Heh, that's what my two "spare boxes" are. |
| 17:38.40 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: Some suggestions: |
| 17:39.04 | codyb81 | cause we're probably going to have 5 video cards on one machine, 4 on the other |
| 17:39.09 | helix | hackeron: heh |
| 17:39.17 | Chameleon22 | Penix, eh? |
| 17:39.17 | codyb81 | so we have to send video across to 4 screens :( |
| 17:39.24 | Penix | Chameleon22: nevermind |
| 17:39.25 | Chameleon22 | JoshTriplett, yeah ... i am all ears |
| 17:39.26 | helix | Penix: kinky. |
| 17:39.35 | Chameleon22 | :| |
| 17:39.55 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: 1) Stick a CD burner in it, and try webmin-burner. 2) Install Samba, make it your storage server. |
| 17:40.13 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: 3) Make it into a firewall/router. |
| 17:40.14 | nailbiter | codyb81: i think there's enough bandwidth on 100Mbps Ethernet for a pair of DVD-quality XVideo streams .. |
| 17:40.19 | hackeron | helix: not too bad :) |
| 17:40.19 | infinity005 | JoshTriplett: there is a webmin burner? cool! |
| 17:40.23 | codyb81 | Chameleon22 : i run a 600gb server off a 400mhz celeron, runs FABULOUS |
| 17:40.27 | Penix | helix: wow, you're really lagged |
| 17:40.28 | JoshTriplett | infinity005: Yup. Works great. |
| 17:40.33 | helix | Penix: I am? |
| 17:40.35 | hackeron | helix: nice and dark :) |
| 17:40.38 | Penix | hmm. maybe not |
| 17:40.42 | codyb81 | nailbiter : yea, but that's compressed and a fixed resolution |
| 17:40.42 | infinity005 | JoshTriplett: if i could only get more than 8 ide devices in the thing. |
| 17:40.45 | helix | hackeron: it used to be darker but it was fucking with my eyes |
| 17:40.47 | Chameleon22 | i think i am going to pop ipcop onit or something |
| 17:40.59 | codyb81 | nailbiter : not trying to argue, but that's really quite low bandwidth |
| 17:41.03 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: 4) Make it into an X terminal. |
| 17:41.04 | nailbiter | codyb81: no, XVideo sends uncompressed YUV video. :) |
| 17:41.08 | codyb81 | OHHHHH |
| 17:41.14 | Chameleon22 | JoshTriplett, xterminal? |
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| 17:41.19 | codyb81 | rendering done locally and sent out across... gotcha |
| 17:41.21 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: Heh. |
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| 17:41.24 | Chameleon22 | JoshTriplett, router was a good idea.. |
| 17:41.27 | hackeron | helix: well, I found that white on black was bad, but now that the text is grey, it looks just fine. Very easy on the eyes :) |
| 17:41.36 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: Install an X server, and connect to a more powerful machine. |
| 17:41.41 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: router with HTB |
| 17:41.52 | Chameleon22 | infinity005, whats htb? |
| 17:41.56 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: Won't be lightning fast, but it'll give you an extra screen on a more powerful machine. |
| 17:42.00 | helix | hackeron: yeah, I dunno. maybe my monitor is too close to my eyes. |
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| 17:42.09 | Penix | ffs I hate having to stay up all night to get in to sleeping normally |
| 17:42.10 | hackeron | helix: also, the terminus font is quite nice on the eyes, but cannot show difference between header2 and header3 on a website :(, shame |
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| 17:42.17 | Chameleon22 | JoshTriplett, nop, so far router seems sweet |
| 17:42.19 | Penix | __root___: you zoof |
| 17:42.20 | JoshTriplett | hackeron: Try neep-alt. |
| 17:42.21 | beth | because I (a) can only get wifi here, and the desktop box doesn't like wifi; and (b) the lcd is so much nicer than having a crt around |
| 17:42.24 | helix | hackeron: yeah, I don't care for that font |
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| 17:42.26 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: type of qos |
| 17:42.28 | NixerX | IS there somwething I should know about when dual booting DEbian and win2k? |
| 17:42.35 | helix | andale mono hasta la muerte |
| 17:42.35 | Chameleon22 | infinity005, url? |
| 17:42.37 | NixerX | I cannot boot into windows now |
| 17:42.38 | Penix | NixerX: like what? |
| 17:42.39 | JoshTriplett | helix: Me neither; too non-distinctive. |
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| 17:42.45 | JoshTriplett | helix: Ick. |
| 17:42.46 | Chameleon22 | NixerX, you not missing much |
| 17:42.48 | scarynetworkguy | !win NixerX |
| 17:42.48 | beth | NixerX: there are probably lots of things you should know about. |
| 17:42.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, NixerX! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 17:42.51 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: google qos htb |
| 17:42.57 | JoshTriplett | helix: Tried FreeMono? |
| 17:42.58 | helix | JoshTriplett: which font do you prefer? |
| 17:42.59 | bluefox83 | i just formatted all of /dev/hdb, how do i partition it? |
| 17:43.02 | hackeron | helix: I think its time I get a new font :) -- but performance is crucial on this 400mhz lappie, and using terminus instead of some TTF font made a noticeable improvement in speed |
| 17:43.03 | helix | JoshTriplett: yeah, it's not the same. |
| 17:43.04 | scarynetworkguy | NixerX, yes you need to add it to your bootloader what bootloader are you using? |
| 17:43.06 | hackeron | JoshTriplett: ok, will do |
| 17:43.07 | Chameleon22 | infinity005, whats google? |
| 17:43.17 | nailbiter | bluefox83: 'cfdisk /dev/hdb' |
| 17:43.17 | JoshTriplett | helix: I use FreeMono, but note that the current version of ttf-freefont is broken. |
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| 17:43.21 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: a flavor of linux. special for qos. |
| 17:43.23 | JoshTriplett | helix: Too much spacing. |
| 17:43.26 | Chameleon22 | hehehehehe |
| 17:43.29 | xbal | aargentina |
| 17:43.30 | NixerX | scarynetworkguy, Im using grub. the entry was in the grub menu but failed to load. |
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| 17:43.37 | bluefox83 | nailbiter, i believe we went over this already, my cfdisk doesn't work |
| 17:43.38 | helix | JoshTriplett: I've been using andale mono for many years and it's difficult to use anything else as a terminal font |
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| 17:43.52 | zinx | infinity005: flavor? :o |
| 17:43.54 | JoshTriplett | helix: Well, I refuse to use msttcorefonts. :) |
| 17:43.54 | mwilson | helix: It's hard to improve on perfection. |
| 17:43.55 | scarynetworkguy | NixerX, paste the part of your menu.lst that has to do with winders in #flood |
| 17:43.58 | zinx | infinity005: htb is in the stock kernel |
| 17:43.59 | nailbiter | bluefox83: then you'll have to replace it. :) |
| 17:44.02 | zinx | infinity005: at least, in 2.6.x :P |
| 17:44.05 | scarynetworkguy | should the world fail to fall apart |
| 17:44.09 | infinity005 | zinx: its only in google. |
| 17:44.10 | mwilson | Andale Mono isn't part of msttcorefonts. |
| 17:44.19 | nailbiter | bluefox83: are you _still_ using the dying disk? |
| 17:44.29 | helix | mwilson: agreed, andale mono is perfect. |
| 17:44.32 | Chameleon22 | JoshTriplett, cmon more ideas |
| 17:44.33 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: OK. s/msttcorefonts/non-free software/ , and the statement still holds. |
| 17:44.43 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: :) |
| 17:44.45 | bluefox83 | nailbiter, the disk wasn't dying, i used shred on it and never gave it another format |
| 17:44.46 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: more? |
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| 17:44.47 | helix | and verdana is perfect for sans-serif |
| 17:44.47 | mwilson | helix: I thought you were all UTF-8 now, though. Andale isn't particularly unicode-friendly. |
| 17:44.50 | Chameleon22 | yes more |
| 17:44.52 | NixerX | scarynetworkguy, well I reimaged this box...srry. Im used to Lilo. |
| 17:44.55 | Chameleon22 | more more more |
| 17:44.57 | zinx | infinity005: then what is /lib/modules/2.6.7/kernel/net/sched/sch_htb.ko in my stock kernel? |
| 17:44.58 | helix | mwilson: I've not had any problems so far. |
| 17:45.00 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: setup Samba, NT domain, and evms |
| 17:45.16 | scarynetworkguy | NixerX, what? |
| 17:45.16 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: and link your other shitz with gfs |
| 17:45.20 | nailbiter | bluefox83: alright. in that case, you might want to reinstall 'util-linux' and then run cfdisk. Or fdisk. |
| 17:45.33 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: 5) Use it to test the new debian-installer. 6) Yank the graphics card for use as a second head in another machine. |
| 17:45.37 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: no, use evms and make a cluster. |
| 17:45.45 | NixerX | scarynetworkguy, I have a ghost image of this machine in case the box goes kaput. |
| 17:45.49 | helix | mwilson: the only problems I have when it comes to utf-8 are: zsh and cplay |
| 17:45.52 | Chameleon22 | ok i am making a router out of it ! |
| 17:45.53 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: Note that 6 is compatible with "use it as a router". |
| 17:45.55 | somiaj | helix: since ya like screenshots...(:, http://zensites.net/~jaimos/screenshots/screenshot-2004-08-01.jpg |
| 17:46.03 | gandy909 | bob2: I give up. where are the instructions hiding? |
| 17:46.04 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: google qos router? |
| 17:46.04 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: Since a router doesn't need a graphics card. |
| 17:46.06 | mwilson | ZSH doesn't like unicode? I find that hard to believe. |
| 17:46.09 | bluefox83 | nailbiter, would cfdisk-utf8 work ? |
| 17:46.16 | Chameleon22 | infinity005, about to |
| 17:46.25 | Chameleon22 | JoshTriplett, lol 2MB card lol |
| 17:46.28 | nailbiter | bluefox83: yes, that would work. but if your disk is fine, why aren't you able to replace your copy of cfdisk and just run that? |
| 17:46.30 | Chameleon22 | no 16 |
| 17:46.32 | helix | mwilson: its unicode support is lacking sometimes. |
| 17:46.35 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: Works. |
| 17:46.41 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: hmm use firehol on it. it has done well for me. |
| 17:46.44 | JoshTriplett | Chameleon22: 16MB? That's quite good. |
| 17:46.47 | helix | mwilson: I think it's coming along slowly but there are "issues" |
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| 17:46.59 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: and tell me when u get the fucking iptables logging messages off the kernel. my system is broke. they won't die. |
| 17:47.04 | mwilson | somiaj: Ugh. |
| 17:47.06 | bluefox83 | nailbiter, i don't know, cfdisk is being wierd..but cfdisk-utf8 might work..shall i give it a spin? |
| 17:47.09 | helix | but it's better than having a broken bash ;) |
| 17:47.09 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: er off the console |
| 17:47.12 | JoshTriplett | infinity005: dmesg -n |
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| 17:47.22 | JoshTriplett | infinity005: man dmesg, read about -n. |
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| 17:47.27 | somiaj | mwilson: hehe...(: |
| 17:47.35 | mwilson | helix: bash 3.0 does have more than a few UTF-8 issues, or so I'm told. I'm still using 2.05b-22 |
| 17:47.36 | Chameleon22 | infinity005, ye just googled it, no need for me... |
| 17:47.36 | infinity005 | JoshTriplett: yes yes. sysctl -w kernel.printk, dmesg -n, klogd -c, none do it |
| 17:47.42 | nailbiter | bluefox83: sure. :) but how's cfdisk broken? it refuses to actually start? do you get an i/o error when you try to execute it? |
| 17:47.52 | helix | mwilson: yeah, the latest bash is kinda broken though, afaik. |
| 17:47.53 | infinity005 | JoshTriplett: bring a bazooka and kill it for me. :) |
| 17:47.55 | JoshTriplett | infinity005: Ah. |
| 17:47.59 | JoshTriplett | infinity005: Heh. |
| 17:48.02 | heyciao | hi. I want use php and oracle in debian sid. How can I do? |
| 17:48.02 | helix | mwilson: not just wrt utf-8 |
| 17:48.11 | infinity005 | JoshTriplett: i have given up. |
| 17:48.11 | JoshTriplett | !smite infinity005's iptables messages |
| 17:48.16 | xbal | alguien que able castellano |
| 17:48.20 | infinity005 | thanks |
| 17:48.21 | Chameleon22 | infinity005, firehole, is it a router distro or ...? |
| 17:48.22 | helix | xbal: #debian-es |
| 17:48.34 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: google firehol |
| 17:48.35 | JoshTriplett | helix: Er, no. :) |
| 17:48.41 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: any more q's ? :) |
| 17:48.41 | helix | JoshTriplett: ? |
| 17:48.53 | JoshTriplett | helix: Castellano is not Spanish, AFAIK. |
| 17:48.53 | bluefox83 | nailbite, it wont start, bash gives me this error: bash" cfdisk: command not found |
| 17:48.53 | mwilson | helix: Yah... I found it amusing that the fix for the trap issue was to revert the change in bash 3.0, rather than to just remove bash 3.0 |
| 17:48.55 | JoshTriplett | helix: Similar. |
| 17:49.01 | Chameleon22 | infinity005, thats cool, can google lol |
| 17:49.02 | infinity005 | Chameleon22: apt-get install firehol; vi /etc/firehol/firehol.conf |
| 17:49.03 | bluefox83 | s/"/: |
| 17:49.04 | helix | JoshTriplett: castilian spanish is what they speak in spain. |
| 17:49.14 | mwilson | helix: But then today I read that bash 3.0 can't get into Sarge anyway, so I wonder why anyone bothered. |
| 17:49.21 | helix | mwilson: no idea. |
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| 17:49.28 | xbal | commo ago no lo se usar soy nuevo en esto |
| 17:49.30 | xbal | #debian-es |
| 17:49.38 | helix | xbal: /join #debian-es |
| 17:49.46 | xbal | graciaas |
| 17:49.59 | JoshTriplett | helix: OK, sorry. |
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| 17:50.01 | nailbiter | bluefox83: might that be because /sbin/cfdisk has gone AWOL altogether? :) try a 'file /sbin/cfdisk'? |
| 17:50.06 | mwilson | somiaj: Does this sshot ever finish downloading? |
| 17:50.17 | JoshTriplett | helix: I could have sworn it was as different as Portugese or Catalan. |
| 17:50.24 | helix | JoshTriplett: nah |
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| 17:50.27 | einsteinmg | hi all :) |
| 17:50.28 | infinity005 | du mah my |
| 17:50.32 | JoshTriplett | helix: His speech was significantly different. |
| 17:50.35 | helix | castilian is the formal version of spanish |
| 17:50.37 | heyciao | hi. I want use php and oracle in debian sid. How can I do? |
| 17:50.43 | helix | JoshTriplett: yeah, he's leaving out some h's |
| 17:50.48 | bluefox83 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.58 | helix | JoshTriplett: but spanish speakers online are often no more literate than their english speaking counterparts. |
| 17:51.02 | JoshTriplett | helix: Ah! Heh. |
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| 17:51.15 | gandy909 | infinity005: where do the kernel instructions get installed? |
| 17:51.15 | helix | JoshTriplett: (h)able, (h)ago |
| 17:51.18 | JoshTriplett | helix: "able" and "ago" confused me. |
| 17:51.21 | somiaj | mwilson: I'd assume so...(:, just two monintors at 1600x1200 on a slow upload connenction |
| 17:51.22 | helix | yeah |
| 17:51.24 | JoshTriplett | helix: Heh, yup. |
| 17:51.27 | bluefox83 | nailbiter, i'm in /sbin now and i ran an ls and it shows cfdisk, and i am root |
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| 17:51.32 | JoshTriplett | helix: Makes perfect sense now. |
| 17:51.35 | infinity005 | infinity005: /usr/doc/kernel*/documentation |
| 17:51.36 | bluefox83 | nailbiter, any other bright ideas? |
| 17:51.38 | colde89 | heyciao:: why oracle and not mysql ?? |
| 17:51.46 | infinity005 | gandy909: for what? |
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| 17:51.48 | helix | JoshTriplett: he left out a lot of punctuation too ;) |
| 17:52.05 | JoshTriplett | colde89: Because he's sane. :) PostgreSQL could compete with Oracle, but not MySQL. |
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| 17:52.12 | heyciao | colde89. I have mysql and postgresql running corretc oraclely. Wanna try |
| 17:52.16 | heyciao | Oracle |
| 17:52.18 | helix | "how do i do it i don't know how to use it i'm new" more or less. nice sentence. :| |
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| 17:52.28 | JoshTriplett | helix: Right. |
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| 17:52.42 | helix | JoshTriplett: have you ever gone in #debian-es? some of their slang is deplorable. |
| 17:52.47 | gandy909 | infinity005: bob2 said be sure to read the instructions when installing the 2.6.x kernel |
| 17:52.59 | JoshTriplett | helix: Briefly. |
| 17:53.01 | mwilson | helix: I've been messing with this 25 mb unicode Arial font. |
| 17:53.05 | helix | JoshTriplett: ditto many portuguese speakers |
| 17:53.05 | colde89 | heyciao :: ahh |
| 17:53.10 | helix | mwilson: eek. how is it? |
| 17:53.12 | mwilson | helix: But xterm can't use it 'cause it's not monospaced. |
| 17:53.22 | helix | mwilson: urxvt! ;-) |
| 17:53.22 | JoshTriplett | helix: I understand the grammar, but I don't have enough vocabulary, particularly for a technical channel. |
| 17:53.24 | mwilson | helix: Oh, it's nice... has tons of codepoints. |
| 17:53.26 | infinity005 | gandy909: oh. i forget. just apt-get dist-upgrade, install the shizzle, reboot, and pray to the nizzle. :) |
| 17:53.28 | NixerX | Ok so since Grub didnt work out of the box for my dual boot system how can I get Grub to into boot windows? |
| 17:53.38 | mwilson | helix: I don't like urxvt. |
| 17:53.42 | mwilson | helix: I just don't. |
| 17:53.43 | helix | mwilson: xft? |
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| 17:53.47 | helix | mwilson: ah. I do. |
| 17:54.00 | infinity005 | gandy909: if it doens't work, just boot your old kerel. |
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| 17:54.04 | nailbiter | bluefox83: ok .. looks like /sbin/cfdisk can't be read for some reason. :) |
| 17:54.12 | helix | JoshTriplett: yeah, it took me a while to figure out what 'red' meant when I used to read -user-spanish ;) |
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| 17:54.16 | xbal | sabes si en este chat o enotro canal abra algo sobre wireless |
| 17:54.20 | helix | then I thought to look it up. :-B |
| 17:54.21 | JoshTriplett | helix: Now that one I know. |
| 17:54.22 | nailbiter | bluefox83: could you run 'dmesg | tail -10'? do you see any 'ide:' error messages in there? |
| 17:54.29 | guestish | !tell xbal about spanish |
| 17:54.51 | mwilson | helix: xterm always works, y'know? |
| 17:54.56 | JoshTriplett | helix: "la red" = "la Internet". :) |
| 17:55.02 | helix | JoshTriplett: yeah |
| 17:55.05 | helix | mwilson: it didn't for me |
| 17:55.13 | JoshTriplett | helix: But also "the network". :) |
| 17:55.51 | helix | JoshTriplett: yes, as I said, I did eventually figure it out. |
| 17:55.54 | iwilcox | JoshTriplett: Where does that come from then? Acronym, or just spanish? |
| 17:55.55 | JoshTriplett | helix: For example, "mi red" usually means "my LAN", though it can still mean "the Internet" just like some english speakers say "my Internet doesn't work". |
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| 17:56.01 | JoshTriplett | iwilcox: Spanish. |
| 17:56.06 | helix | JoshTriplett: I know. this was like two years ago. |
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| 17:56.07 | infinity005 | JoshTriplett: if i cna't get rid of the iptables messages on the console, how would you debug the problem? i've spent hours trying to figure it out. |
| 17:56.26 | JoshTriplett | infinity005: Well, you need to figure out what is writing them there. |
| 17:56.31 | JoshTriplett | infinity005: Try looking with lsof. |
| 17:56.39 | JoshTriplett | infinity005: See what has the console or pty open. |
| 17:56.45 | iwilcox | infinity005: This is a FAQ, IIRC. |
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| 17:56.51 | JoshTriplett | infinity005: It might not be the kernel. |
| 17:56.56 | infinity005 | JoshTriplett: all the console messages are iptables. |
| 17:56.57 | iwilcox | infinity005: There's a nice simple recipe. |
| 17:56.58 | bougyman | interesting. you were indeed correct mwilson, wmakerconf was able to convert the debian menu hooks... after I patched it with a new patch for .80 to allow that functionality. |
| 17:57.08 | JoshTriplett | iwilcox: Yes, but the FGA doesn't work for him. |
| 17:57.24 | mwilson | bougyman: I was correct about what? Nowhere did I tell you to do anything with wmakerconf. |
| 17:57.25 | bougyman | i'm a bit put off that I can't just add Run to the debian menu, but it's workable again. |
| 17:57.38 | infinity005 | JoshTriplett: hmm ..lsof |grep console ? eh? |
| 17:57.42 | helix | f3 baby |
| 17:57.48 | JoshTriplett | infinity005: Something like that. |
| 17:57.50 | mwilson | bougyman: As I said, I'm sorry I ever spoke to you about it, please don't involve me again. |
| 17:57.54 | bougyman | mwilson: you were correct about the methodology, debian menu.hooks used to be incompatible with the new style wmaker menus. |
| 17:57.59 | iwilcox | JoshTriplett: Isn't the FGA "mess with syslog.conf"? |
| 17:58.06 | bougyman | there's a patch to make them compatible. |
| 17:58.21 | JoshTriplett | iwilcox: I thought the FGA was "man dmesg, look for -n". |
| 17:58.28 | helix | JoshTriplett: do you have an account on alioth? |
| 17:58.29 | bougyman | so thank you for the direction, whether you like it or not. |
| 17:58.34 | mwilson | <sigh> Not once did I ever suggest that methodology to you... please stop insisting that I did. |
| 17:58.34 | infinity005 | FGA? |
| 17:58.36 | JoshTriplett | helix: No, I don't. Why? |
| 17:58.43 | JoshTriplett | infinity005: Frequently Given Answer. |
| 17:58.53 | helix | JoshTriplett: hm, because I wondered if other people were able to chsh |
| 17:58.57 | helix | I can't and bash annoys me |
| 17:59.04 | JoshTriplett | helix: What do you prefer? |
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| 17:59.06 | helix | zsh |
| 17:59.15 | infinity005 | ah |
| 17:59.25 | infinity005 | JoshTriplett: the only thing listed in lsof |grep console is syslog |
| 17:59.25 | nailbiter | infinity005: perhaps you could try this -- edit /etc/init.d/klogd, and set KLOGD="-c 4" .. |
| 17:59.31 | helix | but maybe I could just change the prompt and pretend |
| 17:59.35 | JoshTriplett | helix: Just out of curiosity, what are zsh's big selling points for an experienced bash user? |
| 17:59.38 | bougyman | mwilson: i must insist, as i've been working on thie for sometime and your shrill comments pointed me in the right direction, however roundabout the path was. |
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| 17:59.43 | gandy909 | how do I convert an ext2 partition to ext3? |
| 17:59.46 | infinity005 | nailbiter: yes, i've gone the FGA route thanks :) |
| 17:59.53 | JoshTriplett | infinity005: Listen to iwlicox. |
| 17:59.54 | bluefox83 | nailbiter, i formatted and partitioned the drive, should i reboot like cfdisk-utf8 suggested? |
| 17:59.59 | nailbiter | infinity005: cool. :) |
| 18:00.01 | somiaj | gandy909: man tune2fs |
| 18:00.02 | JoshTriplett | infinity005: syslog.conf looks promising. |
| 18:00.02 | infinity005 | nailbiter: i'm looking for new ideas. |
| 18:00.11 | helix | JoshTriplett: experienced? I guess it depends. I didn't learn much about shells until after I switched, so I'm not sure what the differences are. |
| 18:00.12 | infinity005 | iwilcox: you have an idea? |
| 18:00.23 | iwilcox | infinity005: I'll find the FGA in question :) |
| 18:00.35 | somiaj | gandy909: look for info about adding a journal |
| 18:00.44 | gandy909 | somiaj: thx. |
| 18:00.50 | mwilson | bougyman: Before I put you on /ignore... I did not suggest to you that you mess with menu.hook, or that you mess with wmakerconf patches, or anything else. I told you to create a local menu, and include the Debian one within it. Any other embellishments you've added to that are your own problem. |
| 18:00.53 | infinity005 | iwilcox: i think i know everything about console logging. and FGA won't help me. i'm beyond that. |
| 18:00.57 | nailbiter | bluefox83: if you don't have any mounted partitions on the disk, you won't need to reboot. |
| 18:01.01 | helix | JoshTriplett: I'd say.. if you're happy with your shell, there is no reason to switch. I was mostly curious about it when I switched, and just never went back. |
| 18:01.04 | JoshTriplett | helix: Well, I don't think I use that much bash-specific stuff, except expression evaluation with $(()), substitution with ${x/blah/blargh/}, and simple stuff like that. |
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| 18:01.17 | infinity005 | iwilcox: i looked in syslog.conf. nothing writes to /dev/console, but i'm not sure why syslog has it listed in lsof |
| 18:01.19 | bluefox83 | nailbiter, i'm having trouble mounting them though |
| 18:01.20 | bougyman | mwilson: that would have been impossible without the patch, and is exactly what I did. i simply used tools you didn't mention. |
| 18:01.24 | JoshTriplett | helix: I'm just curious what some of zsh's most powerful zsh-specific features are. |
| 18:01.43 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: I think zsh's claim to fame is its ksh-ness. |
| 18:01.45 | bluefox83 | nailbiter, should i re-format? |
| 18:01.49 | jarango | I can't get my touchpad to work with 2.6 kernel. Anyone with experience in this regard ? |
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| 18:01.49 | helix | JoshTriplett: right. the things I like may or may not be specific to zsh. really minor stuff, like instead of 'less foo' you can type <foo |
| 18:01.52 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: OK... |
| 18:02.01 | nailbiter | bluefox83: which device is your root filesystem on, and which disk are you partitioning now? |
| 18:02.05 | JoshTriplett | helix: Interesting. So it has a built-in pager? |
| 18:02.08 | bougyman | helix: or L foo |
| 18:02.17 | helix | bougyman: ah, never tried that. |
| 18:02.18 | JoshTriplett | mwilson: That means squat to me. :) |
| 18:02.20 | helix | JoshTriplett: it seems to |
| 18:02.21 | araldit | I need java in firefox... how do i get it.. On sun's homepage or a debian package??? |
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| 18:02.28 | bluefox83 | nailbiter, /dev/hda is where my FS is on, i'm partitioning /dev/hdb |
| 18:02.29 | bougyman | helix: i think it's an alias in my zshrc |
| 18:02.38 | JoshTriplett | araldit: google for "mpkg-j2se". |
| 18:02.53 | helix | bougyman: oh, L foo? because <foo is built-in |
| 18:03.01 | infinity005 | i'm sorry. syslogd has "xconsole" open. not console. |
| 18:03.09 | araldit | k |
| 18:03.20 | mwilson | helix: That's just an extension of redirection. |
| 18:03.21 | helix | JoshTriplett: I only recently began going through the zsh man page (zshall is the comprehensive one) |
| 18:03.23 | nailbiter | bluefox83: then that should be fine. do a 'blockdev --rereadpt /dev/hdb' to have the kernel refresh its in-memory copy of hdb's partition table .. |
| 18:03.27 | bougyman | it seems every time I think zsh 'has it all', the bash-loving admin who works for me does it in bash, too. |
| 18:03.45 | JoshTriplett | helix: Right. bash has a nice manpage as well. |
| 18:03.55 | jarango | can someone help me get my touchpad working ? |
| 18:03.58 | helix | I tried to look up a comparison of the two but couldn't get any real breakdown |
| 18:04.01 | iwilcox | infinity005: Well, I've found the FGA anyhoo. |
| 18:04.03 | JoshTriplett | helix: I recently discovered isearching through history. |
| 18:04.10 | helix | JoshTriplett: yeah, it does. I didn't look at it until I'd switched all my machines to zsh though :) |
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| 18:04.14 | JoshTriplett | helix: Absolutely wonderful. |
| 18:04.15 | mwilson | Isn't zsh a bit smaller than bash for the same functionality? |
| 18:04.18 | infinity005 | iwilcox: r u a logging guru by chance? :) |
| 18:04.20 | bougyman | he's yet to get spelling correction working in bash, but i'd bet he will. |
| 18:04.28 | helix | bougyman: spelling correction rules |
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| 18:04.32 | JoshTriplett | bougyman: That I dislike. |
| 18:04.41 | bougyman | JoshTriplett: i modified mine a bit. |
| 18:04.41 | iwilcox | infinity005: No, I just hate all the IPtables stuff spamming me. |
| 18:04.54 | helix | this is funny though: |
| 18:04.56 | JoshTriplett | bougyman: I don't like "do what I mean" features generally, with few exceptions. |
| 18:04.56 | helix | <helix@double-helix:~> clea |
| 18:04.57 | helix | zsh: correct 'clea' to 'flea' [nyae]? |
| 18:04.59 | bougyman | i like it at times, other times it can get annoying. |
| 18:05.06 | JoshTriplett | helix: Exactly. |
| 18:05.07 | infinity005 | iwilcox: klogd has kmsg open and syslog has xconsole open. i'm lost. |
| 18:05.08 | helix | flea instead of clear ;) amusing |
| 18:05.17 | helix | JoshTriplett: I like it though. I thought it would be annoying |
| 18:05.20 | infinity005 | iwilcox: i think kmsg is read only. hmmm. |
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| 18:05.34 | JoshTriplett | helix: I'd rather just get "clea: command not found" and then hit up r enter. |
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| 18:05.49 | codyb81 | anyone know how to get framebuffer working? i am not running x but i want a higher res console... |
| 18:05.56 | iwilcox | infinity005: I'm afraid that reads like line noise to me. I can point you at the FGA, which worked for me. |
| 18:06.13 | infinity005 | iwilcox: lets hear it anyway. maybe its a new one. |
| 18:06.20 | JoshTriplett | codyb81: What video card do you have, and what (Debian) kernel are you running? |
| 18:06.24 | infinity005 | iwilcox: does it involve a hammer? |
| 18:06.26 | helix | JoshTriplett: well, the 'e' will leave you with the 'clea' so you can just type 'r' |
| 18:06.41 | codyb81 | debian kernel 2.6.<latest>, it's a... lemme chekc |
| 18:06.42 | helix | which is less keystrokes ;P |
| 18:06.42 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 18:06.43 | iwilcox | infinity005: If you count your fist on the keyboard... |
| 18:06.45 | iwilcox | infinity005: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/FAQ/netfilter-faq-3.html#ss3.12 |
| 18:06.52 | infinity005 | iwilcox: or maybe something better...like explozives |
| 18:06.54 | JoshTriplett | helix: e r enter versus up r enter? |
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| 18:07.01 | JoshTriplett | helix: Same. |
| 18:07.04 | scarynetworkguy | |
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| 18:07.22 | codyb81 | intel 82810 |
| 18:07.27 | helix | oh, I forgot you didn't have to do anything else once it gave you a command not found |
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| 18:07.34 | bougyman | WOOHOO: i found tab completion and command history patches for wmaker at the same place that had the menu.hook patch. |
| 18:07.36 | helix | JoshTriplett: apologies, it's been a few months. I've been spoiled :) |
| 18:07.46 | codyb81 | it's a dell system, with a builtin shared memory video card |
| 18:07.53 | JoshTriplett | helix: Besides, I'm addicted to /etc/bash_completion. :) |
| 18:07.54 | helix | hm, I need tab completion for ion |
| 18:07.56 | codyb81 | well, not even a card. |
| 18:07.57 | nailbiter | infinity005: hm. iptables log messages on my system all end up on a spare vt .. |
| 18:07.57 | infinity005 | iwilcox: hrmz. no luck. |
| 18:08.03 | helix | JoshTriplett: what makes bash_completion special? |
| 18:08.18 | iwilcox | infinity005: Nuts. |
| 18:08.21 | infinity005 | iwilcox: the only idea i have is ULOG, but i'd prefer not to do that |
| 18:08.22 | bougyman | gotta recompile wmaker again. |
| 18:08.22 | helix | uhh, besides the fact that it's really long. |
| 18:08.22 | JoshTriplett | helix: tar xvvzf <TAB> gives you a list of .tar.gz files. |
| 18:08.29 | JoshTriplett | helix: killall <TAB> gives processes. |
| 18:08.38 | helix | JoshTriplett: zsh does that too |
| 18:08.47 | infinity005 | iwilcox: i would guess the faq should metion klogd -c ... odd |
| 18:08.55 | JoshTriplett | helix: make-kpkg --<TAB> gives you the options for make-kpkg. |
| 18:09.08 | helix | JoshTriplett: right, same here |
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| 18:09.32 | JoshTriplett | helix: scp blah some-machine:<TAB> gives you directories on some-machine. |
| 18:09.35 | helix | JoshTriplett: but zsh has prompt themes! beat that, bash! |
| 18:09.42 | iwilcox | JoshTriplett: zsh had all this for yonks |
| 18:09.47 | codyb81 | JoshTriplett : framebuffer? intel 82810 (uses system memory for video memory) |
| 18:09.48 | JoshTriplett | helix: Prompt themes? |
| 18:09.59 | helix | JoshTriplett: yeah. predefined themes for your prompt :) |
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| 18:10.08 | JoshTriplett | codyb81: Well, I don't know if there is a framebuffer for i810. |
| 18:10.09 | guestish | bash rocks! |
| 18:10.17 | guestish | who needs themes, its a shell =P |
| 18:10.19 | frederson | greetings all |
| 18:10.21 | codyb81 | JoshTriplett : i'll search... |
| 18:10.21 | JoshTriplett | codyb81: Which means you would need to use vesafb. |
| 18:10.22 | helix | /usr/share/zsh/4.2.0/functions/Prompts/ |
| 18:10.26 | iwilcox | guestish: No, no...bash has caught up, is all :) |
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| 18:10.27 | helix | they rule |
| 18:10.29 | mwilson | JoshTriplett: completion is a recent add-on to bash, and it has limitations. |
| 18:10.39 | codyb81 | JoshTriplett : what's the drawbacks of using vesafb? |
| 18:10.40 | JoshTriplett | codyb81: That'll work for up to 1024x768. |
| 18:10.44 | guestish | iwilcox: with what? |
| 18:10.45 | bluefox83 | how do i see what FS is on a partition if it's not mounted? |
| 18:10.46 | helix | guestish: oh ho ho.. but if you can use one that keeps track of which screen you're using, they're quite nice |
| 18:10.49 | codyb81 | ah, thats all i need |
| 18:10.57 | guestish | helix: i dont use screen, i use xterms :) |
| 18:11.00 | iwilcox | guestish: e.g. zsh-style completion. |
| 18:11.10 | helix | guestish: well, I use urxvt, but I still use screen |
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| 18:11.19 | JoshTriplett | codyb81: 1) Resolution limitation. 2) Lack of acceleration. 3) not changable except at boot. |
| 18:11.21 | helix | but I'm forming a wormhole on my desktop so whatever.. |
| 18:11.27 | guestish | helix: virtual desktop + xterms = me happy :) |
| 18:11.30 | JoshTriplett | bluefox83: file -s /dev/thepartition |
| 18:11.36 | codyb81 | JoshTriplett : how do i enable it? grub time? |
| 18:11.39 | mwilson | I wish AOL hadn't bought moviefone.com... all they did was screw it up. |
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| 18:11.50 | guestish | iwilcox: i've never used zsh, and i dont see a reason to :) |
| 18:11.53 | eusto | hello |
| 18:12.02 | helix | guestish: it has a cool name |
| 18:12.12 | guestish | helix: bash or zsh? |
| 18:12.16 | helix | well, they both do |
| 18:12.17 | helix | :) |
| 18:12.18 | JoshTriplett | codyb81: boot parameter. Something like "video=vesafb:1024x768". Not sure though. Check first. |
| 18:12.20 | guestish | helix: :) |
| 18:12.24 | codyb81 | ok |
| 18:12.24 | codyb81 | thx |
| 18:12.28 | iwilcox | helix: "bash" is cooler, methinks. |
| 18:12.29 | guestish | helix: i dont understand the whole bourne again thing though |
| 18:12.33 | thomas_adam | vga=0x371 |
| 18:12.43 | helix | iwilcox: I like the letter 'z'. my first crush was named zeke |
| 18:12.43 | thomas_adam | guestish: It's a pun. |
| 18:12.45 | eusto | i get kernel panic: attemting to kill init../dev/console not found |
| 18:12.47 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: I thought that was for non-framebuffer. |
| 18:12.50 | guestish | thomas_adam: ? |
| 18:12.51 | eusto | or somethig like this |
| 18:12.52 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: Nope. |
| 18:12.53 | helix | guestish: no? it's pretty clever |
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| 18:13.00 | eusto | can anyone help? |
| 18:13.05 | iwilcox | helix: psh is OK too. |
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| 18:13.10 | helix | haha |
| 18:13.11 | helix | pssssh |
| 18:13.14 | thomas_adam | guestish: Stepehen Bourne. |
| 18:13.15 | iwilcox | helix: I like that reasoning :) |
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| 18:13.20 | thomas_adam | guestish: Stephen Bourne. |
| 18:13.25 | guestish | thomas_adam: oh, he made the original sh? |
| 18:13.27 | codyb81 | thomas_adam : so do vga=0x371 |
| 18:13.29 | helix | yeah |
| 18:13.32 | guestish | ah, lol |
| 18:13.32 | guestish | i get it |
| 18:13.45 | guestish | thats pretty good... |
| 18:13.45 | codyb81 | for vesa 1024x768? |
| 18:13.48 | thomas_adam | guestish: When it was re-implemented under GNU, it became 'bourne again'. |
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| 18:13.56 | thomas_adam | codyb81: aye., |
| 18:14.01 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: 6 hours :) |
| 18:14.01 | bougyman | i thought it was vga=0x317 for 1024x768 |
| 18:14.03 | codyb81 | nice, thanks |
| 18:14.06 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: woohoo. \o/ |
| 18:14.08 | AvengerMoJ1 | why is "." PATH not safe? |
| 18:14.12 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: w00t!! |
| 18:14.12 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: Does that work for higher resolutions? |
| 18:14.14 | thomas_adam | AvengerMoJ1: script kiddies. |
| 18:14.21 | AvengerMoJ1 | ok |
| 18:14.24 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: If you get the correct number, yes. |
| 18:14.31 | JoshTriplett | AvengerMoJ1: Because if you are in a directory where others can place files (like /tmp), you would run those. |
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| 18:14.41 | scarynetworkguy | I heard that helix has script kitties :) |
| 18:14.42 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: 1600x1200, for example? |
| 18:14.44 | AvengerMoJ1 | JoshTriplett: get you |
| 18:14.47 | codyb81 | 371 though is what i want? |
| 18:14.51 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: HW dependant. |
| 18:14.57 | bougyman | depends on the VESA modes your card supports, JoshTriplett |
| 18:15.00 | JoshTriplett | AvengerMoJ1: For example, /tmp/ls |
| 18:15.02 | thomas_adam | codyb81: 0x371 |
| 18:15.04 | JoshTriplett | bougyman: Ah. |
| 18:15.08 | deadcat | stuff i copied with the mouse from xterm doesnt get pasted in firefox. anyone else have this problem? |
| 18:15.16 | rdancer | what should I use to drop privileges, from root to, say, my www daemon user? |
| 18:15.17 | guestish | zsh has a big manpage... |
| 18:15.23 | mwilson | deadcat: Pasted WHERE? |
| 18:15.23 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: It depends where in $PATH: "." came. If it was before /bin, then he's fucked. |
| 18:15.25 | bougyman | what is 0x371, 1280? |
| 18:15.27 | JoshTriplett | deadcat: Pasting with middle-click? |
| 18:15.29 | guestish | !tell rdancer about wheel |
| 18:15.32 | thomas_adam | bougyman: 1024x786 |
| 18:15.32 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: True. |
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| 18:15.39 | helix | guestish: it has several broken up into smaller parts too |
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| 18:15.44 | thomas_adam | But it is still a bad thing to do. |
| 18:15.46 | helix | and a built in ftp client |
| 18:15.46 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: But even if after, then typos would be a problem. |
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| 18:15.52 | guestish | helix: must have a ton of features i'll never use ;) |
| 18:15.54 | helix | guestish: zshmisc is cool |
| 18:15.55 | deadcat | mwilson: from xterm to mozillafirefox via middlemouse |
| 18:15.57 | infinity005 | anyone know a good traffic control/qos website? |
| 18:16.00 | Zap-W | what is |
| 18:16.00 | deadcat | JoshTriplett: ya. |
| 18:16.09 | bougyman | infinity005: the linux advanced routing howto. |
| 18:16.10 | helix | guestish: and zshzle |
| 18:16.11 | deadcat | JoshTriplett: xterm to xterm works. |
| 18:16.18 | mwilson | deadcat: crapfox pastes PRIMARY, not CLIPBOARD. The text has to stay selected in the xterm. |
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| 18:16.31 | Zap-W | what is n_hdlc line discipline |
| 18:16.33 | helix | blame klipper |
| 18:16.33 | codyb81 | brb hopefully this works :) |
| 18:16.54 | JoshTriplett | helix: klipper is annoying. I removed it quickly. |
| 18:16.55 | eventide | is there any way to get evolution (1.5) to treat an IMAP account like a POP account? i.e. I just want it to move everything off the IMAP server into the local evolution mailboxes... |
| 18:17.00 | helix | JoshTriplett: it's pure evil. |
| 18:17.08 | eusto | kernel panic: attemting to kill init, how do i fix this? |
| 18:17.18 | guestish | helix: heh |
| 18:17.21 | helix | JoshTriplett: that lyx bug I told you about.. I'm not even sure it's a bug |
| 18:17.22 | JoshTriplett | helix: On the other hand, I managed to fix emacs to work quite nicely with the clipboard. |
| 18:17.26 | [iago] | i'm getting segmentation faults with apt-get, i've moved the pkgcache and everything and ran apt-get update to no avail, anyone have this problem? |
| 18:17.27 | Penix | eventide: then don't use imap |
| 18:17.27 | thomas_adam | ww. |
| 18:17.30 | helix | that seems like the "proper" way for klipper to act |
| 18:17.33 | wind | kernel: APIC error on CPU0: 02(02) |
| 18:17.36 | wind | whats that ? |
| 18:17.40 | eventide | Penix: the server only offers IMAP |
| 18:17.40 | thomas_adam | [iago]: memtest86 |
| 18:17.44 | guestish | eventide: well you can always drag and drop :) |
| 18:17.50 | mwilson | wind: An APIC error. They happen occasionally. |
| 18:17.51 | deadcat | mwilson: thanks.. that SOB. |
| 18:17.51 | guestish | eventide: or set up filters to move it for you |
| 18:17.57 | JoshTriplett | eusto: Have you tried googling for that error message? |
| 18:18.07 | JoshTriplett | Dangit. |
| 18:18.09 | JoshTriplett | Too late. |
| 18:18.18 | ribnitz | Ok, nothing debian specific(/bin/sh script part): FOO= 'awk /^bar/ {print $3} $FILEREF' ? |
| 18:18.25 | mwilson | wind: As long as they're not consistently happening, don't worry about it. The kernel detected the checksum error, and corrected it. |
| 18:18.29 | eventide | guestish: did that, but they seem to not work robustly... I'll keep trying I suppose |
| 18:18.31 | ribnitz | whats wrong with that? |
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| 18:18.37 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: FOO=$(.....) |
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| 18:18.42 | guestish | eventide: or just use balsa ; |
| 18:18.44 | [iago] | thomas_adam: time to start pul;lling sims, its weird because this box had windows on it with no problems (other than the windows ::) |
| 18:18.44 | guestish | eventide: :) |
| 18:18.50 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: But if there is more than one result.... |
| 18:18.58 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: what are you trying to do? |
| 18:19.01 | helix | guestish: how is balsa these days? it was monstrous over a year ago when I tried it |
| 18:19.04 | mwilson | [iago]: Uh, why are you "pulling SIMMs" for an APIC error? |
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| 18:19.06 | helix | and buggy |
| 18:19.18 | JoshTriplett | helix: Do you use Emacs? |
| 18:19.19 | t-jack | The fuck is oronoco's problem? |
| 18:19.31 | helix | JoshTriplett: I've tried a few times, but I haven't put in much effort to learn it |
| 18:19.35 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: Vim, and you know it. |
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| 18:19.36 | JoshTriplett | helix: :) |
| 18:19.43 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: :) |
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| 18:19.47 | thomas_adam | :P |
| 18:19.49 | helix | JoshTriplett: I like it in theory but I'm too accustomed to vim by now, I think |
| 18:19.49 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: serious case of the stupids :) |
| 18:19.54 | JoshTriplett | helix: cua.dk |
| 18:20.00 | guestish | helix: seems pretty good to me, still has some bugs in it though |
| 18:20.00 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: I have a file, and need the third 'word' from a certain line, which I want to compare to 'true' |
| 18:20.01 | bougyman | thomas_adam: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-5.html claims it's 0x317 for VESA 16 bit 1024x768, and it's what works on this laptop. |
| 18:20.13 | JoshTriplett | helix: That flattened my emacs learning curve significantly. |
| 18:20.20 | thomas_adam | bougyman: Slip of the fingers. |
| 18:20.23 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: And no, I didn't know it. |
| 18:20.30 | rdancer | guestish: nice. now what's the wheel good for here?? |
| 18:20.31 | bougyman | ya, i just wanted to make sure. |
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| 18:20.42 | mwilson | [iago]: Whoops, that wasn't meant for you. |
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| 18:20.52 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: how is the file delimited? |
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| 18:21.09 | guestish | rdancer: well you want www daemon to have more privalges right? you cannot take privaleges away from root |
| 18:21.10 | helix | JoshTriplett: yeah, I guess I feel about vim the way you feel about bash - I've not seen a compelling reason to switch yet |
| 18:21.13 | t-jack | I log on and get Slammed by a PM. |
| 18:21.17 | JoshTriplett | helix: Right. |
| 18:21.24 | [iago] | mwilson: oh because i remembered i added memory to this box |
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| 18:21.42 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: 'text file' generated by echo and redirection.. |
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| 18:21.46 | JoshTriplett | helix: I'm not an editor zealot. Use whatever works for you. |
| 18:21.48 | codyb81 | nope, didn't work... i'll google a bit for the vesa fb stuff and my i810 |
| 18:21.57 | JoshTriplett | ribnitz: man cut |
| 18:21.59 | bougyman | codyb81: what didn't work? |
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| 18:22.04 | AvengerMoJ1 | anyone get problem copying big file to USB2 device under 2.6.6/2.6.7/ kernel? |
| 18:22.06 | helix | JoshTriplett: I build the gtk version of emacs (mentioned on pdn not too long ago) but the fonts killed me. emacs21-nox is pretty cool though. |
| 18:22.12 | helix | s/build/built/ |
| 18:22.15 | AvengerMoJ1 | any kind of filesystem |
| 18:22.16 | bluefox83 | how do i see all of the filesystems i have mounted? i seem to be getting an odd error when trying to mount /dev/hdb1 |
| 18:22.17 | ribnitz | JoshTriplett: so awk can't do it? |
| 18:22.24 | JoshTriplett | ribnitz: Sure it can. |
| 18:22.25 | t-jack | and I still got a deaf/mute computer... :( |
| 18:22.29 | iwilcox | AvengerMoJ1: Like, what kinda problem... |
| 18:22.30 | JoshTriplett | ribnitz: Just suggesting another option. |
| 18:22.30 | ribnitz | JoshTriplett: how? |
| 18:22.37 | [iago] | bluefox83: df -h |
| 18:22.40 | jeanpoldeux | hackeron: you #moron 21, I had visit, for info smooth is an nice artwiz font, only useful for xterm, aterm etc. |
| 18:22.42 | helix | JoshTriplett: anyway, emacs is interesting to me only because a lot of people seem to really like it and I wonder what the draw is. :) |
| 18:22.45 | JoshTriplett | ribnitz: Get the third field? |
| 18:22.46 | guestish | rdancer: maybe im misunderstanding you |
| 18:22.54 | AvengerMoJ1 | iwilcox: over buffer |
| 18:22.54 | guestish | jeanpoldeux: !moron <nickname> |
| 18:22.56 | bougyman | codyb81: it's vga=0x317 (16 bit, 1024x768), or any mode from |
| 18:23.02 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: I told you this earlier. |
| 18:23.12 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: I know. |
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| 18:23.15 | JoshTriplett | helix: The huge number of modes. |
| 18:23.20 | iwilcox | AvengerMoJ1: Umm, I get panics, personally. |
| 18:23.23 | helix | JoshTriplett: like what? |
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| 18:23.28 | arnau | hey |
| 18:23.30 | codyb81 | bougyman : well, come to look at it... i added the line to grub's menu.lst |
| 18:23.30 | thomas_adam | The bloat, the bloat! |
| 18:23.31 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: I am trying. Its a cronjib actually |
| 18:23.39 | codyb81 | and ran the update-grub, and it overwrote it |
| 18:23.39 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: #flood |
| 18:23.40 | AvengerMoJ1 | iwilcox: it work fine if I do read |
| 18:23.40 | jeanpoldeux | guestish: hackeron has been already moronized. |
| 18:23.52 | Penix | I want to like emacs, but I'm just a vim whore |
| 18:23.52 | bougyman | helix: emacs is essentially its own o/s |
| 18:23.57 | AvengerMoJ1 | iwilcox: but write big file will kill it ... |
| 18:23.59 | codyb81 | what's the procedure to adding menu items to grub, and still have it work with debians kernel management system? |
| 18:24.01 | helix | Penix: yeah, that's how I feel. |
| 18:24.12 | iwilcox | AvengerMoJ1: So it works for you but it's just slow? |
| 18:24.18 | arnau | (i'm using irssi over ssh under aterm) however i would like to use window key as meta key instead of alt key, how to do that ? |
| 18:24.18 | araldit | what is the best blackdown or sun's java, just for browser plugin |
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| 18:24.24 | bougyman | codyb81: debian has an interesting (and nice, imo) grub menu configurator |
| 18:24.34 | helix | vim was the first editor I ever learned so I never saw what was so wrong about modality |
| 18:24.35 | codyb81 | bougyman : cmd for that would be? hehe |
| 18:24.38 | arnau | i'm looking at google, but i found nothing at all ? |
| 18:24.41 | arnau | some ideas ? |
| 18:24.52 | bougyman | if you wipe out your handmade grub menu.lst and run update-grub, it will create it. |
| 18:24.52 | AvengerMoJ1 | iwilcox: well :) kind of ... but not really because if you are going to copy 100 file at a time :) |
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| 18:25.05 | [iago] | 311 errors with memtest86, yes, i guess that would do it. |
| 18:25.05 | bougyman | mv menu.lst menu.old && update-grub |
| 18:25.16 | codyb81 | bougyman : that's been done. |
| 18:25.24 | codyb81 | but i want to add kernel params |
| 18:25.28 | AvengerMoJ1 | iwilcox: I can't mount and umount it 100 time :) |
| 18:25.31 | bougyman | ok, so on the # kopt= line ass vga=0x317 |
| 18:25.38 | bougyman | don't remove the comment. |
| 18:25.48 | codyb81 | don't remove the comment? |
| 18:25.49 | bougyman | comments are ## in that file, not just # |
| 18:25.52 | iwilcox | AvengerMoJ1: It's fast for me...i.e. it reads/wirtes my data fast, then panics the kernel equally fast. Never had speed probs, so can't help I'm afraid. |
| 18:25.53 | codyb81 | ohhh |
| 18:25.53 | codyb81 | ok |
| 18:26.01 | bougyman | different level of configuration. |
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| 18:26.36 | yah00 | hi, how do i check the presence of a shared lib, say zlib using a shell script? |
| 18:26.39 | Thommy | hi @all |
| 18:26.41 | AvengerMoJ1 | iwilcox: wonder what the problem is... USB work just fine in 2.4 |
| 18:26.43 | thomas_adam | yah00: ldd ? |
| 18:26.47 | AvengerMoJ1 | iwilcox: :) |
| 18:26.54 | codyb81 | bougyman : then once i've edited... update-grub? |
| 18:26.58 | thomas_adam | yah00: Do you mean location? |
| 18:26.59 | yah00 | ldd and the arguments are ? |
| 18:27.03 | thomas_adam | yah00: RTFM |
| 18:27.13 | iwilcox | AvengerMoJ1: USB2 didn't work for me at all in 2.4, twas dog slow. |
| 18:27.16 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Uh, why wouldn't he just use test? |
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| 18:27.25 | codyb81 | or is that file read interactively on bootup? different than lilo |
| 18:27.28 | Thommy | how do i create a boot cd, have loaded debian-30r2-i386-binary-1_NONUS ??? |
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| 18:27.42 | AvengerMoJ1 | iwilcox: yah... maybe I'm wrong I forget it is USB1 or 2 :P |
| 18:27.56 | thomas_adam | mwilson: Yeah, he could do. I didn't read his question quite like that, though. |
| 18:28.14 | Penix | lets see if I can learn to appreciate emacs at 4:30am |
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| 18:28.18 | codyb81 | brb |
| 18:28.21 | bluefox83 | should i have given /dev/hdb1 a mount point? |
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| 18:28.27 | AvengerMoJ1 | iwilcox: is the possible to force it to use USB1 in 2.6? |
| 18:28.33 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: that drive is broken we established. |
| 18:28.34 | bluefox83 | nevermind..that's retarded.. |
| 18:28.38 | Thommy | how do i create a boot cd, have loaded debian-30r2-i386-binary-1_NONUS ??? |
| 18:28.39 | helix | Penix: I think we'd like it more if it was "emax" |
| 18:28.41 | bluefox83 | thomas_adam, no it's not!!! |
| 18:28.45 | yah00 | nope, i want to know whether zlib is present on a system+version, if not present, i need to upgrade all the lab computers to zlib tar.gz i have, btw, where do i find docs on this? |
| 18:28.46 | Penix | helix: hehe |
| 18:28.50 | iLLPoTaTo | how do I enable root to be able ot log into the ftp? |
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| 18:28.57 | bluefox83 | cfdisk-utf8 partitioned it!!! |
| 18:28.58 | thomas_adam | iLLPoTaTo: hahaha. |
| 18:28.58 | helix | /nick helics |
| 18:29.03 | thomas_adam | helix: noooo. |
| 18:29.06 | ribnitz | ok, ppl. paste.plone.org/957 |
| 18:29.08 | iLLPoTaTo | thomas_adam: o |
| 18:29.09 | iwilcox | AvengerMoJ1: Wouldn't know. Well, using any non-USB2 port on your machine might be one way. Or maybe you have a decent mobo, unlike me. |
| 18:29.13 | iLLPoTaTo | i'm guessing i can't heh |
| 18:29.23 | helix | hahahaha |
| 18:29.38 | AvengerMoJ1 | iLLPoTaTo: I think you shouldn't |
| 18:29.49 | AvengerMoJ1 | iwilcox: no I don't :) |
| 18:29.52 | helix | a mistype of that would have been even funnier |
| 18:29.57 | Segers_J | Thommy: I use cdrbq as my front end to cdrecord to burn cds, is that what you're asking? |
| 18:29.58 | k-god | What arch is MMX? 586? |
| 18:29.58 | Penix | heh |
| 18:30.05 | AvengerMoJ1 | iwilcox: I can't get it to sleep either |
| 18:30.11 | Penix | k-god: wha? mmx isn't an architecture |
| 18:30.22 | Thommy | can nobody help me, how do i create a boot cd, have loaded debian-30r2-i386-binary-1_NONUS ??? |
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| 18:30.51 | k-god | Penix: That would be Pentium MMX. 586 then? |
| 18:30.52 | rdancer | guestish: just the opposite, I want the daemon to have _less_ privileges. I want to start it as root, and then drop privileges to my-daemon-user, which will bind to port 8080 etc... |
| 18:30.59 | ribnitz | k-god: mmx is a extension (esp. used for grafpix) from pentium 166 onwards |
| 18:31.00 | Penix | k-god: yes |
| 18:31.04 | iwilcox | k-god: Tis like altivec, SSE, etc. An optional bolt-on. |
| 18:31.08 | sege | I'm having serious trouble with centericq (latest and before) and irssi in the same screen. It messes up my swedish chars and stuff. Is there any solution to this? |
| 18:31.10 | Segers_J | Thommy: try asking the question with different words, that does'nt make sense to me. |
| 18:31.33 | Segers_J | s/does'nt/doesn't/ |
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| 18:31.52 | k-god | ...and for 2.6 kernels, it's considered i386 |
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| 18:32.27 | Segers_J | Thommy: please don't /msg me. |
| 18:32.37 | Deadline | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.53 | Penix | Deadline: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 18:32.54 | Thommy | i've loaded debian-30r2-i386-binary-1_NONUS |
| 18:32.54 | Segers_J | Thommy: define loaded please, you have the iso file? |
| 18:33.18 | ribnitz | thomas adam: line 87 and 88 of the posting.. |
| 18:33.27 | Deadline | Penix, not to install, its installed already, just to run the app |
| 18:33.28 | Thommy | i think no |
| 18:33.34 | AvengerMoJ1 | Deadline: /usr/bin/BitchX |
| 18:33.39 | mwilson | Maybe I should just go ahead and see King Arthur |
| 18:33.45 | mwilson | It's something to do, after all... |
| 18:33.46 | helix | mwilson: spiderman2! |
| 18:33.46 | Penix | !+bitchx |
| 18:33.46 | dpkg | Why are you adding such dumb factoids? We don't need more idiots with quit messages. |
| 18:33.47 | Deadline | AvengerMoJ1, it isnt there |
| 18:33.53 | mwilson | helix: I've seen it. |
| 18:33.59 | helix | mwilson: oh. hmm. |
| 18:34.02 | mwilson | helix: I wasn't impressed. The first one is far better. |
| 18:34.06 | AvengerMoJ1 | Deadline: it is for me ... |
| 18:34.08 | helix | mwilson: really? bummer. |
| 18:34.23 | mwilson | Not working? |
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| 18:34.24 | Penix | bitchx not being present on a system is usually a good thing |
| 18:34.25 | helix | mwilson: what about I, Robot? |
| 18:34.30 | helix | mwilson: nah |
| 18:34.31 | mwilson | Feh. |
| 18:34.37 | mwilson | Will Smith? Please. |
| 18:34.43 | helix | mwilson: I ask because I've heard mixed reviews. |
| 18:34.46 | iwilcox | Is that even out yet? |
| 18:34.53 | helix | iwilcox: yeah |
| 18:34.53 | Thommy | i think it's possible to create a boot cd |
| 18:34.58 | Penix | http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=i_robot makes me wanna see I, Robot |
| 18:34.59 | ribnitz | helix: is said to be a good film. |
| 18:35.09 | codyb81 | all my video modes are still 80cols which makes my text look really... "flat" since it's squeezing them verticly by adding more horizontal lines, but no extra vertical lines. |
| 18:35.12 | kromagg | you should go watch I,robot; comedies are good for you |
| 18:35.13 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: paste this file you're awking to #flood |
| 18:35.24 | Thommy | sergers_j: i've loaded the first cd iso |
| 18:35.25 | codyb81 | i'm 60x80 and it looks jacked... any ideas? |
| 18:35.29 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: sec, need to reconnect |
| 18:35.42 | nksen | what to do if apt-cache finds a package but apt-get complains it can't find the package? |
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| 18:35.53 | Penix | nksen: cry |
| 18:36.01 | nksen | Penix, tried that, doesn't work :) |
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| 18:36.10 | Cosmo` | i've got a question about window managers ... i'm currently installing Debian but i want to use a lightweight window manager like IceWM ... can i install this via APT without KDM or Gnome ? |
| 18:36.13 | soth` | anyone here ever compiled pogo on debian? |
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| 18:36.26 | nksen | Cosmo`, straight forward: yes |
| 18:36.33 | Penix | Cosmo`: ofcourse |
| 18:36.48 | Thommy | Segers_J: i've burned this iso on a cd, but it doesn't boot, becaus i've created no boot cd |
| 18:36.51 | Cosmo` | i'm just in bash waiting for X to install right now, can anyone tell me how i list pacakages ? |
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| 18:37.06 | Penix | Cosmo`: list the contents of a package? |
| 18:37.09 | nksen | Penix, that's all you have to say? |
| 18:37.23 | helix | Penix: heh, good review |
| 18:37.23 | Cosmo` | no i mean, how do i know what to type ? hehe |
| 18:37.24 | nksen | apt-get update did it well |
| 18:37.25 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: pasted |
| 18:37.41 | Cosmo` | say if i wanted to install IceWM, how could i find out about what is avaliable using apt ? |
| 18:37.43 | bougyman | Cosmo`: apt-cache search <expression> |
| 18:37.49 | bougyman | apt-cache search icewm |
| 18:37.51 | mwilson | I would have liked to see an ACTUAL I, Robot film... not this travesty Will Smith made. |
| 18:37.52 | nksen | Cosmo`, apt-cache search icewm |
| 18:37.59 | Cosmo` | ah fantastic |
| 18:38.05 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: grepping for run_htnotify.. |
| 18:38.08 | Cosmo` | that means i can find my favourite text editor too :) |
| 18:38.10 | ninja_ | !tell Cosmo` about search |
| 18:38.12 | helix | mwilson: go see 'the village' or whatever |
| 18:38.24 | helix | joaquin phoenix is hot |
| 18:38.34 | Cosmo` | oh that's odd ... my display has just gone black |
| 18:38.35 | mwilson | Oh, please. |
| 18:38.38 | helix | haha |
| 18:38.43 | Cosmo` | it was installing X and it's just gone black ... weird |
| 18:38.49 | mwilson | That looks like about the stupidest thing ever. |
| 18:38.50 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: awk '/run_notify/ {print $3}' ./file.txt <-- works for me. |
| 18:38.54 | Penix | Cinderella Story is just made for mwilson |
| 18:38.54 | Cosmo` | it's back |
| 18:38.54 | Cosmo` | heh |
| 18:39.01 | rdancer | Cosmo`: iirc, that's normal |
| 18:39.02 | Segers_J | Thommy: oh, I used a different iso that was bootable with no extra work from me. the keyword you should google for is "el torito" sorry I can't be more help. |
| 18:39.05 | helix | mwilson: right. but joaquin phoenix is still hot. |
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| 18:39.13 | Cosmo` | yeah, sorry i was bit thrown by it |
| 18:39.15 | helix | speaking of hot actors, I believe there is a batman trailer out |
| 18:39.24 | Cosmo` | just thought perhaps the PC had got too hot in this heat :P |
| 18:39.24 | mwilson | wossisname? Shamilan or whatever? Why does everyone think anything he makes is so wonderful? |
| 18:39.25 | bluefox83 | now it's saying /dev/hdb1 is not a valid block device =( |
| 18:39.26 | Penix | bah. yet another batman movie |
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| 18:39.37 | helix | Penix: this one is special |
| 18:39.41 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: how do I set 'inside each other, use " " inside ' ' ? |
| 18:39.44 | helix | Penix: it has christian bale in it |
| 18:39.44 | thomas_adam | helix: Christian bale? |
| 18:39.47 | helix | yummay |
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| 18:39.52 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: to do what? |
| 18:39.55 | Cosmo` | was he the guy in Equillibrium ? |
| 18:39.59 | helix | Cosmo`: yeah |
| 18:40.03 | thomas_adam | And Amwerican Psycho |
| 18:40.05 | Cosmo` | hmm ... i thought that film was pretty bad |
| 18:40.07 | helix | and newsies! |
| 18:40.12 | Penix | and shaft |
| 18:40.15 | helix | Cosmo`: well, you are obviously a heterosexual male |
| 18:40.23 | Cosmo` | haha ... well spotted ;) |
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| 18:41.06 | Shortee | Hey guys |
| 18:41.10 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: FOO=$(awk '/run_notify/ {print $3}' ./file.txt) |
| 18:41.13 | Penix | you'd think hollywood would've learned its lesson after "Batman & Robin" was released |
| 18:41.21 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Welcome back. :) |
| 18:41.33 | Penix | although the same could be said for Biodome |
| 18:41.40 | helix | http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/images/03.jpg |
| 18:41.41 | helix | yes yes |
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| 18:41.51 | Shortee | I just switched to Debian last night, and it reboot about 30 seconds after getting into the terminal... |
| 18:41.53 | thomas_adam | helix: Oh, please. :) |
| 18:41.53 | guestish | rdancer: iirc you can start up a daemon as nobody or any user really using systemV and that will limit its privalges |
| 18:41.55 | xro | anyone have any experience with openchanfix and hybrid servers? |
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| 18:42.09 | thomas_adam | Shortee: I do remember -- but do you also remember what Guerin and I told you? |
| 18:42.19 | Segers_J | Penix: I heard an interview with frank miller, he's writing the story. they'll get my money just for that. |
| 18:42.21 | helix | thomas_adam: :) |
| 18:42.22 | Shortee | Guerin: no |
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| 18:42.25 | jeanpoldeux | mmmmm spanish vino is delicious. |
| 18:42.33 | thomas_adam | SuperNull: Eh? :) |
| 18:42.36 | Shortee | thomas_adam: I actually don't after sleeping: :P |
| 18:42.42 | yo2lux | hi all, im install a new debian kernel |
| 18:42.44 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Tough luck. |
| 18:42.51 | helix | thomas_adam: now now |
| 18:42.52 | guestish | yo2lux: good to hear |
| 18:42.53 | yo2lux | anyone help me what need to do with grub to load this kernel ? |
| 18:43.04 | thomas_adam | yo2lux: A chain, and two goats. |
| 18:43.17 | yo2lux | i talk with a friend but don't know to work with grub only lilo |
| 18:43.19 | yo2lux | please |
| 18:43.20 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Could you please fill me in? The last thing I remember Guerin saying was that its odd that Morphix didn't reboot, but Debian does... |
| 18:43.22 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: thanks, seems to work. |
| 18:43.26 | yo2lux | im begginer |
| 18:43.29 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: Indeed. |
| 18:43.37 | rdancer | guestish: hmm, maybe sudo -u my-www-daymon my-www-prog will do. |
| 18:43.42 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Basically, it is simple: your hardware sucks. |
| 18:43.54 | jeanpoldeux | yo2lux: look for initrd if it's a 2.6 |
| 18:43.54 | guestish | rdancer: su user -c domain would too |
| 18:43.55 | helix | why do people still do javascript mouseovers with images? |
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| 18:43.59 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Get a copy of memtest86, and run it on the infected machine. |
| 18:44.00 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Its a 1.6 celeron, 256MB of ram... |
| 18:44.05 | yo2lux | jeanpoldeux is 2.6.7 |
| 18:44.11 | Penix | because people are still living in 1996 |
| 18:44.15 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Get a copy of memtest86 from, say, lnx-bbc, and run it on that machine. |
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| 18:44.19 | Shortee | thomas_adam: ah, yes memtest L) |
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| 18:44.31 | guestish | yo2lux: http://www.linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=539&page=1 |
| 18:44.32 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Now I remember :D Thanks |
| 18:44.40 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Until you have done that, there's nothing more to add. :| |
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| 18:44.53 | thomas_adam | Penix: Hey, *I* love motif, too. ;( |
| 18:44.56 | bluefox83 | crap crap crap crap |
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| 18:45.21 | Segers_J | bluefox83: tubgirl.com again? |
| 18:45.41 | bluefox83 | no... |
| 18:45.43 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Is the thing @ their download page MemTest? |
| 18:45.43 | soyuz_A | anyone have experience with shout/icecast on debian? I upgraded my shout box from SuSE to debian and now the stream stutters... |
| 18:45.50 | Bluecoat | Hi all, using raidtools2, how would i completely blow away an array so I can recreate it with mdadm? |
| 18:45.59 | bluefox83 | i have bad superblocks on my second hard drive and no matter what i do it wont fix it... |
| 18:46.13 | guestish | soyuz_A: stttuuttersss?? whattt ddooo you mmeaan? |
| 18:46.14 | helix | bah, that trailer sucked |
| 18:46.18 | guestish | helix: which? |
| 18:46.25 | helix | guestish: batman begins |
| 18:46.27 | thomas_adam | Shortee: memtest86 is included on lnx-bbc which you should have anyway as it is a nice rescue CD. |
| 18:46.27 | sussudio | helix: been to WV? |
| 18:46.34 | helix | sussudio: WV? |
| 18:46.37 | guestish | helix: o, havent seen it |
| 18:46.40 | Shortee | thomas_adam: alright |
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| 18:46.49 | guestish | soyuz_A: :) |
| 18:46.51 | sussudio | helix: West Virginia. |
| 18:46.54 | Shortee | thomas_adam: last release was may 2003... |
| 18:46.54 | Segers_J | soyuz_A: have you tuned your hard drive with hdparm? (assuming it's ide) |
| 18:46.59 | helix | guestish: http://batmanbegins.warnerbros.com/cmp/teaser.html?id=teaser |
| 18:47.01 | soyuz_A | heh, guestish... plays for a little while "ok" then starts buffering, repeating, squeaking |
| 18:47.04 | helix | sussudio: I think I drove through it once |
| 18:47.05 | guestish | soyuz_A: also try not using X, its a resource hog |
| 18:47.09 | thomas_adam | Shortee: I don't care - download and do. Until then, I'm being quiet. |
| 18:47.13 | Cosmo` | hahaha ... the description for IceWM is so funny |
| 18:47.14 | sussudio | helix: you were talking about trailers |
| 18:47.16 | rdancer | guestish: is there some other way apart from su/sudo/super? |
| 18:47.21 | helix | sussudio: movie trailers :P |
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| 18:47.23 | thomas_adam | Cosmo`: "Shit on a stick?" |
| 18:47.24 | eye69 | What's the "best" way of getting a newer Perl in Woody? I'm about to install RT and it wants at least 5.8.3. |
| 18:47.28 | soyuz_A | guestish: no X. minimum install |
| 18:47.32 | helix | the HHGTTG one is bleh too |
| 18:47.35 | Cosmo` | "wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager" |
| 18:47.35 | eye69 | Are there any sensible backports? |
| 18:47.37 | guestish | rdancer: like i said, init.d can do it when system is booting |
| 18:47.52 | guestish | soyuz_A: oh, so are you just the server or are you streaming the music to icecast too? |
| 18:48.00 | Shortee | thomas_adam: What is this test going to tell me? |
| 18:48.03 | codyb81 | exit |
| 18:48.18 | guestish | rdancer: also i think inetd can, but that might just be with certain programs |
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| 18:49.04 | soyuz_A | guestish: to explain> I have several debian boxes in my lan... for about 4 years I was streaming with SuSE perfectly (both locally and publicly) |
| 18:49.30 | guestish | soyuz_A: alright, so this is the server, you arent using darkice on this server, right? |
| 18:49.35 | soyuz_A | guestish: including, the old box was a 486/100 with 24 meg |
| 18:49.46 | guestish | soyuz_A: heh, slow... |
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| 18:49.57 | soyuz_A | guestish: not darkice, no |
| 18:50.07 | guestish | soyuz_A: so you are streaming to this box which is acting as an icecast server |
| 18:50.13 | soyuz_A | guestish: no actually the 486 was perfect. perfect. perfect. |
| 18:50.22 | guestish | soyuz_A: thats good |
| 18:50.45 | soyuz_A | guestish: even streamed at 128 without problems, but I always stream at 40. |
| 18:50.53 | Deadline | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.08 | guestish | soyuz_A: btw, debian isnt an upgrade or a downgrade, it just is different |
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| 18:51.17 | jeanpoldeux | Deadline: dpkg -S libXss.so.1 |
| 18:51.23 | soyuz_A | guestish: i started using a winamp dsp on a windoz box. |
| 18:51.28 | xsdg | Deadline: "gaim install"? |
| 18:51.49 | guestish | !tell Deadline about apt-file |
| 18:51.50 | soyuz_A | guestish: no it was an upgrade. the suse kernel was 2.0 (iirc) |
| 18:51.55 | guestish | soyuz_A: oh, ok |
| 18:52.00 | guestish | soyuz_A: yeah, thats an upgrade |
| 18:52.02 | rdancer | guestish: ah, thx |
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| 18:52.10 | guestish | rdancer: np |
| 18:52.25 | soyuz_A | guestish: then I moved to ices on another server on the lan. again no problems. |
| 18:52.40 | bluefox83 | does anyone know of any software that can repair bad superblocks? |
| 18:52.53 | xsdg | bluefox83: fsck |
| 18:52.59 | soyuz_A | guestish: then I acquired an amd266 ... and installed debian. beauty. |
| 18:53.09 | guestish | soyuz_A: sounds good so far |
| 18:53.16 | soyuz_A | guestish: except it started stuttering |
| 18:53.23 | bluefox83 | xsdg, that seems to be having a problem, it wants me to run it manually and answer 5000000000 questions |
| 18:53.41 | nksen | i subscribed to some mailing lists a few days ago. is traffic there so rare that it's possible that i did not receive any message yet except the ones from smartlist? |
| 18:53.52 | guestish | soyuz_A: alright, well have you checked your settings for the server and compared them against the settings that your suse server ran? |
| 18:54.06 | soyuz_A | oops... |
| 18:54.11 | xsdg | bluefox83: fsck -h |
| 18:54.15 | guestish | soyuz_A: debian probably runs with a different default config |
| 18:54.16 | soyuz_A | guestish: that's listen.pls |
| 18:54.17 | guestish | soyuz_A: its fine |
| 18:54.22 | xsdg | bluefox83: there's an option to tell it to automatically try to fix everything |
| 18:54.25 | Penix | !mock john fleck for buying a gmail account |
| 18:54.39 | gothtec | bluefox83: of course you should have had a backup. but since i'm guessing you don't have one, i suggest you create one now, before doing anything else. a complete image of the drive. that gives you a lot more freedom as to what recovery options you can try. |
| 18:54.44 | helix | someone bought a gmail account? |
| 18:54.46 | helix | why? |
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| 18:55.00 | gothtec | bluefox83: you wont have to be afraid of doing wrong |
| 18:55.01 | Penix | no idea |
| 18:55.06 | jeanpoldeux | yes why ? |
| 18:55.07 | nksen | helix, well 1 gig of space is a fact (though i don't have one) |
| 18:55.08 | guestish | soyuz_A: either its crappy quality or thats your server |
| 18:55.14 | soyuz_A | guestish: actually, I tried the icecast-server first, stutters, then back to shout, still stutters |
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| 18:55.14 | helix | did gmail stop giving invitations out? |
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| 18:55.22 | helix | nksen: yeah, I have a gmail account. |
| 18:55.27 | Penix | I barely even use my account |
| 18:55.27 | guestish | soyuz_A: oh, nvm, it was just my codec |
| 18:55.34 | helix | Penix: yeah, I don't use mine at all |
| 18:55.42 | bluefox83 | gothtec, the drive was empty anyways..i'm just trying to make it mountable again.. |
| 18:55.46 | guestish | soyuz_A: sounds fine so far |
| 18:55.48 | kpearce | what's the program (or package configuration) that's run during base config and detects monitor settings (etc.) before the xserver-xfree86 package is configured? |
| 18:56.01 | gothtec | bluefox83: if it's empty, just reformat the thing |
| 18:56.02 | Deadline | jeanpoldeux, the question was not related to a debian box, but mandrake |
| 18:56.03 | guestish | soyuz_A: ever think about switching to an ogg stream? you get better quality for less bitrate |
| 18:56.08 | helix | kpearce: read-edid probably |
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| 18:56.11 | bluefox83 | gothtec, already did |
| 18:56.13 | helix | kpearce: which I believe is part of discover |
| 18:56.16 | morfeo | hi |
| 18:56.21 | bluefox83 | gothtec, twice now |
| 18:56.21 | kpearce | helix: alright, thanks |
| 18:56.34 | guestish | soyuz_A: it sounds perfectly fine to me, no stuttering or anything |
| 18:56.40 | gothtec | bluefox83: and when you try to mount it..? |
| 18:56.44 | helix | hoho, elinks.conf |
| 18:56.48 | guestish | soyuz_A: try turning your buffer up on the client |
| 18:56.51 | jeanpoldeux | Deadline: #mandrake |
| 18:56.59 | soyuz_A | guestish: now get this, I figuered that it was perhaps the eth card, or something else hoggin resources, so I did an install on another machine, a pentium/166 // SAME THING. debian install |
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| 18:57.17 | bluefox83 | gothtec, i get a mount error that's about as generalised as you can get... |
| 18:57.20 | guestish | soyuz_A: most likely its just your music player's buffer is too small |
| 18:57.30 | guestish | soyuz_A: im not getting one stutter |
| 18:57.44 | Penix | mine's a lightweight |
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| 18:57.55 | morfeo | anybody know whit is this X manager ? ( http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=44468149040e304b2644ba&p=screen ) |
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| 18:58.37 | guestish | soyuz_A: hrm, i see...your server isnt delivering a constant stream |
| 18:58.48 | gothtec | bluefox83: indeed. this is not one of my strong fields, but for a general error, i'd suggest general troubleshooting. ie. try the drive in another computer, try another drive in that computer, repartition, run bad blocks checks etc. |
| 18:58.51 | soyuz_A | guestish: no, the player is the not the problem. I have tried it on mpg123 on various boxes, on winamp on various windoz boxes, locally and remote. after a few minutes, it starts stutters |
| 18:58.57 | helix | Penix: mine is fearsome. stealing from config files is the key to sanity |
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| 18:59.02 | guestish | soyuz_A: my buffer was fine, but then it shrunk steadily |
| 18:59.23 | bluefox83 | gothtec, i only have one pc... |
| 18:59.23 | soyuz_A | guestish: and the stutter happens whether LOCAL or across the internet |
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| 18:59.40 | Penix | looks like it's time to bulk mine up |
| 19:00.02 | guestish | soyuz_A: sec, phone |
| 19:00.02 | Segers_J | soyuz_A: seriously, if it's an ide hard drive, IIRC debian defaults to safe but slow settings. have you tuned with hdparm? |
| 19:00.05 | soyuz_A | guestish: fark, I'll probably have to resurrect the old "voyager" machine... |
| 19:00.05 | kpearce | helix: discover doesn't list a monitor at all |
| 19:00.07 | Penix | I could always use more bad habit creating aliases |
| 19:00.10 | helix | I have to copy like 20 files over whenever I get a new shell account |
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| 19:00.18 | gothtec | bluefox83: get a bootable cd or something then, maybe? unplug other drives and try the problem one in the primary controller |
| 19:00.19 | helix | kpearce: hm, try read-edid then |
| 19:00.27 | helix | kpearce: or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:00.48 | Cosmo` | lol |
| 19:00.52 | soyuz_A | Segers_J: why hdparm? |
| 19:00.53 | Cosmo` | i cant work out how to get X up and running |
| 19:01.04 | Cosmo` | anyone else using Blackbox ? |
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| 19:01.14 | baikonur | hi |
| 19:01.16 | spoofer | morfeo: according to the comments below, it's fvwm |
| 19:01.22 | kpearce | helix: that worked, thanks |
| 19:01.29 | gothtec | bluefox83: maybe the drive (a new one, perhaps?) is too large for your bios, controller, etc.? are you sure it's compatible? |
| 19:01.34 | Penix | I need to move a lot of stuff in to zsh functions |
| 19:01.36 | helix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:01.43 | helix | why do they use a fake debian.org email address? |
| 19:01.45 | soyuz_A | guestish: anyway, what is making me crazy, is that the second machine that I just brought up does exactly the same thing with totally different hardware. |
| 19:01.55 | bluefox83 | gothtec, it was workign fine for several months, all i used it for was storing mp3's and flacs |
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| 19:02.04 | baikonur | can someone recommend me a window manager for a 150MHz Intel Pentium MMX Notebook with 32MB RAM and 1,5GB of harddisk? |
| 19:02.04 | Segers_J | soyuz_A: I think debian defaults to dma off. maybe the stream blockage is there. I don't know of any other program that can change that. |
| 19:02.06 | bluefox83 | *working |
| 19:02.18 | tsenyurt | hi folks |
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| 19:02.20 | soyuz_A | guestish: and this machine is MINI-minimum. Aint nothing else running. |
| 19:02.32 | tsenyurt | got a question about lilo |
| 19:02.33 | tsenyurt | ? |
| 19:02.50 | thomas_adam | tsenyurt: Just ask. |
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| 19:03.10 | tsenyurt | Device 0x0300: Inconsistent partition table, 2nd entry |
| 19:03.16 | thomas_adam | tsenyurt: google. |
| 19:03.22 | tsenyurt | what does taht mean ? any idea? |
| 19:03.25 | tsenyurt | tried |
| 19:03.26 | soyuz_A | Segers_J: perhaps, though the two machines do the exact same thing. |
| 19:03.28 | Penix | # Shut up ;) |
| 19:03.28 | Penix | setopt nobeep |
| 19:03.32 | tsenyurt | but nothing helpful |
| 19:03.34 | thomas_adam | tsenyurt: Not hard enough, you haven't. |
| 19:03.34 | Penix | that's always a good one |
| 19:03.44 | helix | Penix: heh |
| 19:03.47 | gothtec | bluefox83: if you haven't changed your kernel or done anything special before this happened, try rewriting the partition table or something, and if that doesn't work, you gotta start moving stuff around, i guess |
| 19:03.48 | bluefox83 | tsenyurt, i get that error on my seocnd HD, and i'm not having much luck fixing it =( |
| 19:03.56 | soyuz_A | Segers_J: and they are totally different. different mobos, eth cards, memory, drives. |
| 19:04.08 | helix | # Someone who understands this ... ;)) I'm too lazy to think about this now :P. |
| 19:04.09 | helix | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:04.16 | helix | too many faces per comment |
| 19:04.23 | guestish | soyuz_A: like i said, check the config file |
| 19:04.38 | thomas_adam | helix: fullstopsmite? |
| 19:04.41 | helix | thomas_adam: yes |
| 19:05.09 | bluefox83 | jesus, there are so many errors on my second drive, no wonder it's having problems =( |
| 19:05.24 | ribnitz | bluefox83: hw or software? |
| 19:05.32 | ribnitz | bluefox83: what fs? |
| 19:05.32 | Segers_J | soyuz_A: never run a *cast server, but with the default settings I couldn't play some videos, so I thought that potential bottleneck might be something to do with it |
| 19:05.32 | bluefox83 | hardware |
| 19:05.38 | bluefox83 | ext3 |
| 19:05.44 | tsenyurt | bluefox83, can u fix yours? |
| 19:05.54 | bluefox83 | tsenyurt, not as of yet =( |
| 19:05.55 | ribnitz | bluefox83: running dft yet? |
| 19:06.00 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: You said it wasn't broken earlier, despite the fact that prior to that, we'd established your drive was fux0rd. |
| 19:06.02 | bluefox83 | dft? |
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| 19:06.27 | ribnitz | bluefox83: drife fitness test (hitatch/ibm website) |
| 19:06.27 | guestish | soyuz_A: i would definitely check your icecast settings, it looks like theres some problems with the server for some reaosn... |
| 19:06.30 | bluefox83 | thomas_adam, i got it formated and partitioned..somehow it's still got errors |
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| 19:06.33 | helix | I wish people with broken drives would just back all their shit up instead of deluding themselves |
| 19:06.41 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: physical drive errors. |
| 19:06.43 | guestish | bluefox83: low level format calls you! |
| 19:06.53 | helix | hardware error. bad. |
| 19:06.56 | bluefox83 | guestish, how do i do a low level format???? |
| 19:07.00 | thomas_adam | helix: no no, if the backups were not kept, it is because the data was not worthy to be kept. |
| 19:07.06 | ribnitz | bluefox83: about low-level (hw) errors, not fuxored fs. Usually established as short reads, erros etc? |
| 19:07.16 | guestish | bluefox83: go to the manufacturer's website and download the progeam |
| 19:07.20 | guestish | bluefox83: program even |
| 19:07.40 | bluefox83 | guestish, i have a seagate, and their stuff requires windows to run i t=( |
| 19:07.46 | bluefox83 | *it |
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| 19:07.53 | guestish | bluefox83: it cant require windows, it remakes your sectors |
| 19:07.59 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: or the data was too sensitive for backups? (they hild pron they are now finding in austria? |
| 19:08.16 | guestish | bluefox83: it might require windows to make the floppy, but just use wine |
| 19:08.17 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: Eh? |
| 19:08.24 | Segers_J | helix: let 'em crash a few times, they'll figure out that the need to back up is inversly proportional to how much fun it is to re-do the work. |
| 19:08.28 | bluefox83 | guestish, ok |
| 19:08.30 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: did't hear of it? |
| 19:08.41 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: Try saying it again. |
| 19:08.52 | guestish | bluefox83: http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/faq/ata_llfmt_what.html |
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| 19:08.56 | guestish | bluefox83: good luck |
| 19:09.11 | bluefox83 | ty |
| 19:09.19 | bluefox83 | much apreciated.. |
| 19:09.36 | guestish | np |
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| 19:09.53 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: Ok. Some priests / bishops in austria have been /are near suspension because they allegedly owned (and traded) child p0rn and had sexualö relations with others |
| 19:10.00 | guestish | huh, i guess it doesnt actually redo sectors anymore |
| 19:10.09 | helix | Penix: I found a cooler name than yours. "Peter Wang" |
| 19:10.13 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: That does not surprise me. |
| 19:10.30 | Demandred | heh, I thought I had my shit backed up recently, but it turns out "select this folder for offline use" doesn't apply to subfolders in Thunderbird |
| 19:10.45 | ribnitz | thomas_adam: what I meant was that such data would usually not be backuped. |
| 19:11.00 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: I err, suppose not. |
| 19:11.02 | bluefox83 | why can't preists just shag chicks? atleast it's not as bad as shagging little boys :X |
| 19:11.24 | helix | bluefox83: it's not really the same thing. they're disturbed, not just horny. |
| 19:11.33 | bluefox83 | true.. |
| 19:11.47 | guestish | bluefox83: sounds wrong doesnt it? |
| 19:11.52 | bluefox83 | get moving damnit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 19:12.01 | guestish | heh |
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| 19:12.19 | ribnitz | helix: but they are that way because the catholic church tells them having a (normal) relationship is inherently wrong,.. |
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| 19:12.34 | helix | ribnitz: they're that way because they are sick. |
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| 19:12.48 | ribnitz | helix: how did they become sick? |
| 19:12.51 | helix | ribnitz: there is no reason to believe that celibacy -> pedophilia |
| 19:12.55 | bluefox83 | ribnitz, more wrong than shagging boys? |
| 19:13.09 | hotti | aksu sano et sekin tulee huomen kisikselle |
| 19:13.13 | helix | ribnitz: if they were simply horny, why would they not just look at pictures of naked women? why little boys? because they are already fucked up. |
| 19:13.18 | guestish | its hard to say whats wrong with a person who decides to take a vow of celibacy... |
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| 19:13.26 | hotti | srry |
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| 19:13.42 | guestish | you know what i mean? |
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| 19:13.50 | helix | well, people that take a vow of celibacy are probably running from their own demons |
| 19:13.51 | zinx | guys turn me off even when i -am- horny :< |
| 19:13.59 | guestish | heh |
| 19:14.04 | ribnitz | helix: how did they get fucked up? - what if the chuirch let them marry, and lead a normal sex life besides being a priest (as the protestants do..?) |
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| 19:14.17 | helix | ribnitz: they'd probably still molest children. |
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| 19:14.55 | ribnitz | helix: ok. They feel we are off topic. |
| 19:15.27 | gothtec | is there an easy to use ftp client that can control the bandwidth usage? whenever i download stuff to one of my servers, people connected to its game servers start lagging, because i am taking all the bandwidth |
| 19:15.41 | helix | elinks is teh funny. |
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| 19:16.03 | thomas_adam | gothtec: Traffic shaping? |
| 19:16.07 | Cosmo` | oh sweet !!! |
| 19:16.10 | Cosmo` | i got it working |
| 19:16.16 | Covener | gothtec: scp does it easily... dunno about reg ftp clients |
| 19:16.22 | helix | in hooks.lua it has: dpkg = "http://packages.debian.org/" -- Hm, is this Debian-centric? -- Miciah |
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| 19:16.31 | gothtec | Covener: i could use scp, if that's easier. |
| 19:16.35 | Penix | find . | sed -e 's/[^\/]*\//|----/g' -e 's/---- |/ |/g' | $PAGER |
| 19:16.36 | Penix | weeeee |
| 19:16.40 | helix | Penix: evil. |
| 19:16.41 | gothtec | Covener: it's in the manual? |
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| 19:16.43 | Penix | very |
| 19:16.45 | Covener | gothtec: -l, yep |
| 19:16.52 | gothtec | Covener: thanks |
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| 19:17.01 | soyuz_A | guestish: (was away) the config file is virutally identical to the SuSE version |
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| 19:18.02 | cakoose | My sound stopped working in Totem and Xine (it used to work fine). Sound still works in XMMS. I don't remember upgrading any packages or anything either. Does anybody know why this could be happening? |
| 19:18.23 | guestish | soyuz_A: try running it on the latest suse to see if its a debian specific problem |
| 19:18.26 | Covener | cakoose: using a sound server? did it go down? |
| 19:18.36 | helix | applications are so much more attractive after actually reading their docs |
| 19:18.49 | guestish | Penix: whats that do? |
| 19:19.11 | cakoose | Covener: ESD seems to be up and running. XMMS is using the eSound output plugin. |
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| 19:19.21 | Penix | guestish: try it |
| 19:19.27 | cakoose | Covener: I am able to test out the "event sounds" in the control center. |
| 19:19.28 | guestish | Penix: i think ill ask first |
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| 19:19.39 | Covener | cakoose: so maybe just your xine config? |
| 19:19.40 | soyuz_A | guestish: yeah, maybe that will be the solution. |
| 19:19.45 | Penix | guestish: heh. displays a directory in a tree view |
| 19:20.00 | guestish | Penix: thats it? |
| 19:20.20 | chapium | are thre any debian packates known for having memory leaks? I left this morning with 2 apps open and a several processes with 108mb of memory being used. Now its at 453mb |
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| 19:20.38 | Covener | chapium: what's at 453mb? |
| 19:20.43 | chapium | memory |
| 19:20.44 | guestish | Penix: meh, doesnt work |
| 19:20.44 | helix | chapium: which apps? |
| 19:20.44 | thomas_adam | ha: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3939273.stm |
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| 19:20.52 | chapium | firefox and gaim |
| 19:20.53 | Covener | chapium: That's what it's there for |
| 19:20.57 | chapium | and xfce |
| 19:20.59 | soyuz_A | guestish: shite. I happen to LIKE debian, the simplicity, the ease of upgrading, everything. I am a CONVERT. it's going to be a drag to use YaST again |
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| 19:21.02 | eye69 | chapium: firefox might well eat memory |
| 19:21.04 | thomas_adam | chapium: That means one of them has zombied. |
| 19:21.10 | thomas_adam | chapium: what state are they in? |
| 19:21.10 | cakoose | Covener: I normally use Totem. It was working just fine, but suddenly the sound just stopped working. I only installed xine a couple minutes ago to see if I could get things working there, but no luck. |
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| 19:21.37 | guestish | soyuz_A: i like debian too... |
| 19:21.37 | chapium | they've been sitting for a while |
| 19:21.37 | guestish | soyuz_A: hrm...well.... |
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| 19:21.43 | Covener | cakoose: sorry,I thought totem was a xine frontend for some reason. Don't you neeed to explicitly have them use esd? |
| 19:21.48 | thomas_adam | chapium: Not what I meant. :) |
| 19:21.48 | guestish | soyuz_A: you could try using sarge, its almost ready for release anyways and it might be a version specific bug |
| 19:21.53 | chapium | sorry :D |
| 19:21.54 | guestish | soyuz_A: its the testing branch |
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| 19:22.13 | cakoose | Covener: ohh...maybe it is. Where is the config file? |
| 19:22.26 | chapium | firefox is working fine it appears. It has several tabs open |
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| 19:22.31 | guestish | soyuz_A: sarge uses a newer version of icecase |
| 19:22.32 | Covener | cakoose: no clue, I'm an mplayer person |
| 19:22.33 | cakoose | Covener: Is it in GConf? |
| 19:22.36 | helix | 3000 patents? ye gods |
| 19:22.36 | guestish | soyuz_A: icecast |
| 19:22.46 | soyuz_A | guestish: even *this* machine is debian. (which I have to log in remotely because the IP addresses where I am physically are BANNED from this channel... :( |
| 19:22.46 | chapium | is there a way to find out whats eating up the memory? |
| 19:22.48 | guestish | Penix: your tree view thing doesnt work |
| 19:22.54 | cakoose | Covener: haha...maybe I should try that out. That's what I used to use... |
| 19:23.02 | guestish | soyuz_A: why? |
| 19:23.09 | HenryV | nailbiter: i think i may have fixed my problem with fetchmail/procmail/spamassassin |
| 19:23.19 | HenryV | er guess he's gone |
| 19:23.24 | guestish | soyuz_A: well im glad to see that you like it, but like i said, try upgrading to debian testing branch |
| 19:23.59 | Penix | guestish: doesn't work how? |
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| 19:24.16 | guestish | Penix: no tree view |
| 19:24.19 | soyuz_A | guestish: why are the IP addresses banned? prolly because I am on a cable modem *here* that is on the same nodes as a bunch of idiot chileans. |
| 19:24.20 | bluefox83 | what is the standard path to a floppy drive? |
| 19:24.27 | bluefox83 | is it /dev/fd0 ? |
| 19:24.32 | guestish | soyuz_A: dynamic ip? that sucks |
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| 19:24.52 | ribnitz | bluefox83: /floppy, /mnt/floppy |
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| 19:25.16 | soyuz_A | guestish: actually *here* the lease is about six weeks. where my servers are (at my office) they are 100% static |
| 19:25.51 | soyuz_A | guestish: so it doesn't suck as much. |
| 19:25.52 | guestish | soyuz_A: ah, well try testing and see if it works better for you |
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| 19:27.08 | outlier | Is anyone else having trouble connecting to debian.org for apt-get updates? |
| 19:27.10 | soyuz_A | guestish: that's an idea... I was even thinking of recompiling the kernel on the *new* machine (the P166) but it seems to be an exercise in futility. |
| 19:27.11 | guestish | soyuz_A: i would talk to an op to see if you can get unbaned, they might do it if you are nice enough :) |
| 19:27.26 | lekko | Hello, I have a strange bug in X. I am using Debian Sarge (with Woody also happens), it is that the mouse pointer points "to the right", say 15 pixels, and the result is that I have to "predict" where the click is going to happen. Does anyone have a clue about this? |
| 19:27.28 | guestish | soyuz_A: recompiling on that would just take a day or so... |
| 19:27.29 | Anthro | outlier: Most of us do not use debian.org, but a mirror. You should, too. |
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| 19:27.36 | bluefox83 | is there another way to low level format my drive? |
| 19:27.45 | soyuz_A | guestish: geez guestish, do you have THAT much power??? ;) |
| 19:27.45 | guestish | bluefox83: why |
| 19:27.53 | guestish | soyuz_A: eh? |
| 19:27.57 | bluefox83 | because wine keeps crashing X.X |
| 19:28.02 | outlier | Anthro: OK - mind pointing me to a mirror | list of mirrors ? |
| 19:28.12 | guestish | soyuz_A: on my system it takes about 40 minutes :) |
| 19:28.22 | bluefox83 | holly crap.. |
| 19:28.24 | guestish | which i guess isnt all that bad |
| 19:28.34 | guestish | bluefox83: uh...well... |
| 19:28.39 | guestish | bluefox83: its the only safe way to do it |
| 19:28.41 | guestish | bluefox83: =\ |
| 19:28.41 | bluefox83 | i do a whole apt-get update && dist-upgrade in about 5 minutes O.O |
| 19:28.53 | Anthro | outlier: Can you get to http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 19:28.55 | guestish | bluefox83: do you have any windows box anywhere? |
| 19:29.04 | bluefox83 | guestish, nope |
| 19:29.15 | guestish | bluefox83: bring it over to a friends house and use his windows box |
| 19:29.16 | gandy909 | is it normal to suddenly start getting massive errors after doing a tune2fs -j |
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| 19:29.35 | outlier | Anthro: No - can't seem to resolve the debian.org www addresses. That's why I wondered if they were down, or if my ISP is having problems. |
| 19:29.37 | cakoose | Does anybody know how to force Totem to use esound? |
| 19:29.39 | chapium | hmm, it seams firefox is using an obnoxious amount of memroy |
| 19:29.40 | bluefox83 | guestish, i have friends!?!?!? when did that happen!?!?!?!?!? |
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| 19:29.51 | soyuz_A | guestish: ah well... such is life. I gotta go lay some carpet. Opening a cybercafe here... :) |
| 19:29.52 | guestish | bluefox83: oh... |
| 19:29.58 | guestish | soyuz_A: nice :) |
| 19:30.00 | Covener | cakoose: isn't there an esdwrapper progrma or something to that effect? |
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| 19:30.32 | Zap-W | anytool that can test .tar archives? |
| 19:30.35 | ubb | how come firefox showed up several times on the processes? |
| 19:30.37 | soyuz_A | so, next time anyone is in Valparaiso, stop by the place. I am sure that you'll like what I have done with it |
| 19:30.47 | soyuz_A | I am outta here.... |
| 19:30.53 | Anthro | outlier: Can you resolve www.us.debian.org? |
| 19:30.58 | Zap-W | i dont see any option in tar itself for testing the athe file |
| 19:31.03 | Anthro | Covener: esddsp |
| 19:31.13 | Covener | cakoose: ^^ |
| 19:31.16 | guestish | soyuz_A: if you want something really small but i really cant say how well icecast would work you might want to try netbsd if debian fails, i still prefer debian personally, but netbsd might work better in your case if debian wont work |
| 19:31.17 | Anthro | Zap-W: tar tf |
| 19:31.21 | cakoose | Covener: I killed esd and Totem started working again. I can run 'xine -A esd' and xine works. You were correct about Totem being a frontend for Xine. I just have to figure out how to make Totem pass that option to Xine. |
| 19:31.26 | bluefox83 | i think i'll try the iso instead of the floppy, maybe that will work better... |
| 19:31.35 | guestish | soyuz_A: im hoping its just a version specific problem :) |
| 19:31.36 | outlier | Anthro: doesn't look like it. |
| 19:32.07 | TomaHawK | Is there some kind of automatic hardware detection in debian at startup ? |
| 19:32.16 | guestish | TomaHawK: apt-get install discover |
| 19:32.37 | Covener | cakoose: --enable-sound maybe? |
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| 19:32.45 | mwilson | TomaHawK: Not particularly. |
| 19:32.45 | ^majik^ | guestish: netbsd <3 heh :) I think I'm gettin the hang of Debian though |
| 19:32.48 | Anthro | outlier: www.de.debian.org? |
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| 19:32.55 | mwilson | TomaHawK: discover is a broken way to do it. |
| 19:32.58 | cakoose | Covener: nope, tried that |
| 19:33.14 | guestish | ^majik^: :) |
| 19:33.18 | cakoose | Covener: the worst part is that it used to work just fine. |
| 19:33.20 | guestish | ^majik^: like i said, i still prefer debian :) |
| 19:33.43 | outlier | Anthro: no joy - can't resolve www.de.debian.org either. |
| 19:33.51 | t-jack | Is there a utility to troubleshoot my soundcard, audio devices, and interfaces between them? |
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| 19:34.04 | outlier | Anthro: Thanks for the help - I'm contacting my ISP now. |
| 19:34.10 | Anthro | outlier: Sounds like your ISP is messed up or, possibly, your resolv.conf. Can you resolve anything? |
| 19:34.34 | ^majik^ | guestish: I just have to watch what it is I'm doing with Debian, atleast on my VDS.. shoot, I broke it within a few hours of playing with it heh |
| 19:34.41 | Shortee | thomas_adam: I just put the LNX CD in, and I'm about to Run Memtest |
| 19:34.42 | guestish | ^majik^: heh |
| 19:34.44 | Covener | cakoose: mayeb some default behaviour change w/ an upgrade? tried adding stuff to ~/.xine/config to force those esd flags? |
| 19:34.46 | guestish | ^majik^: nice :) |
| 19:34.51 | outlier | Antro: Yes - I'm able to resolve most sites - just not anything in *.debian.org |
| 19:35.25 | Zap-W | doom 3 is out |
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| 19:35.44 | cakoose | Covener: do you know what the format of .xine/config is? I don't have that file right now. |
| 19:35.51 | gandy909 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.56 | outlier | Anthro: hmmm... left a message at ISP. They have some notice on their site that they are installing some 'KidSafe' filter software this weekend. |
| 19:35.58 | Anthro | outlier: Very strange. Try resolving www.debian.org. (note the . at the end). |
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| 19:36.20 | Anthro | outlier: Grand. I'm sure Debian isn't kid-safe. Oh, no. |
| 19:36.29 | outlier | Anthro: waiting... what does the terminal '.' do? |
| 19:37.07 | t-jack | We've killed almost 100 idlers in just 7 days. Keep up the good work, people. |
| 19:37.08 | Anthro | outlier: It means that it shouldn't try adding any extra search domains, but should just resolve that and only that. |
| 19:37.29 | Shortee | Antho: I had Morphix, and it worked fine, but then I switched to Debian, and it reboots about 30 seconds after being in the terminal @ boot... |
| 19:37.32 | cakoose | Covener: also, I think Totem has it's own config. The Xine website says that the Xine backend doesn't read any config files itself. |
| 19:37.55 | Shortee | Anthro: I'm running MemTest right now... |
| 19:37.55 | t-jack | Is there a utility to troubleshoot my soundcard, audio devices, and interfaces between them? |
| 19:38.00 | cakoose | Covener: Totem has some GConf entries, but I coudln't find anything related to audio. Maybe they rely on autodetection. |
| 19:38.03 | Anthro | Shortee: Are you talking to me? And, if so, about what? |
| 19:38.07 | outlier | Anthro: no luck though. OK - I think I'll have to wait for my ISP to get me opted out. Maybe the software doesn't like any domains that resemble female first names or something. |
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| 19:38.32 | Swampy | hi, i'm using samba as a fileserver for win boxes, but upon sending files to the server smbd does some 'allocate file space' before the transfer begins, is there a way to make it just grow while sending? |
| 19:38.44 | Shortee | Anthro: I just got Debian, and it reboots about 30 seconds of being in the boot terminal... |
| 19:38.51 | Anthro | outlier: Heh. Well, good luck. |
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| 19:39.47 | gandy909 | what package might smartctl be in? |
| 19:39.50 | Anthro | Shortee: Did you just install Debian? Has it ever worked? |
| 19:40.13 | outlier | Anthro: Thanks - do you happen to know of a mirror site - the list is conveniently out of reach on debian.org at the moment. |
| 19:40.14 | Shortee | Anthro: I got it installed last night, and no, it never worked, but Morphix did, even though it sucked :P |
| 19:40.30 | Anthro | Shortee: What did you use to install it? |
| 19:40.35 | Anthro | outlier: Hang on... |
| 19:41.01 | DanC | hmm... kernel log messages say "ide-scsi is deprecated; use ide-cd"; so I try ide-cd, and XCDRoast says "ide-cd is deprecated; try scsi emulation" |
| 19:41.05 | Anthro | outlier: You're in the US, right? |
| 19:41.08 | Shortee | Anthro: I used the Debian installer |
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| 19:41.20 | Anthro | Shortee: Which one? Woody or Sarge? |
| 19:41.27 | Shortee | Antro: Sarge |
| 19:41.32 | Shortee | Anthro: Sarge :P |
| 19:41.35 | Shortee | lol |
| 19:41.55 | Shortee | Anthro: Its really wierd, Morphix worked fine, even though its outdated and old |
| 19:42.04 | outlier | Anthro: Yes |
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| 19:43.17 | outlier | Anthro: Aha! The google cache of the debian.org mirror list! |
| 19:43.38 | Anthro | outlier: Ah, okay. I was going to post it to #flood, but it sounds like you have it. |
| 19:43.42 | ^majik^ | guestish: curious, well, could you and do you mind telling me of any other debian-like *nixes (read: clean with a ports-like system I suppose :)? I knew of FreeBSD, and I went to using NetBSD since FBSD v4.9 or so wouldn't install on my K6-2/450 for some reason.. and then I know about Arch Linux, and the other 686 distro that Arch was kinda based on, atleast for some of the packaging system ideas I guess. And now I find out that debian's kinda like this. We |
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| 19:43.52 | ^majik^ | yea, big message hehe sorry about that |
| 19:43.53 | Shortee | Guerin: You there? |
| 19:44.00 | outlier | Anthro: Thanks for your help on this. |
| 19:44.06 | guestish | O_O |
| 19:44.15 | Anthro | Shortee: Did you get any errors or warnings during the install? |
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| 19:44.24 | gandy909 | do you need to be in single user mode to convert ext2 to ext3? |
| 19:44.27 | Anthro | outlier: Sure. Good luck beating some sense into your ISP. |
| 19:44.29 | Shortee | Anthro: no... |
| 19:44.34 | simonrvn | meh. stupid power outage. |
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| 19:44.49 | Shortee | Anthro: thomas_adams told me to run MemTest 86 |
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| 19:44.56 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Yes, he did. |
| 19:44.59 | Penix | meh. stupid 5:45am |
| 19:45.05 | Shortee | thomas_adam: hi2u :) |
| 19:45.10 | thomas_adam | Shortee: It's *adam* not *adams*. |
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| 19:45.21 | thomas_adam | Penix: Rest. |
| 19:45.21 | Shortee | thomas_adam: oh, sorry :( |
| 19:45.23 | Anthro | Shortee: Mm. Well, you could, indeed, have hardware problems. Hard to tell from here. |
| 19:45.30 | simonrvn | Penix: go to sleep |
| 19:45.37 | Penix | not for another ~10 hours |
| 19:45.45 | simonrvn | Penix: why not? |
| 19:45.47 | thomas_adam | Penix: You neglected to answer my question from earlier, mind... |
| 19:45.47 | Shortee | Anthro: Whats wierd is that Morphix worked great. |
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| 19:45.56 | Penix | thomas_adam: what was that? |
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| 19:46.10 | thomas_adam | Penix: did: foo < <(cat ./file) work ok for you? |
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| 19:46.13 | Shortee | thomas_adam: what is memtest86 gonna tell me |
| 19:46.15 | Anthro | gandy909: No, but it is pretty bad to try to do it to a mounted filesystem. |
| 19:46.20 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Just run it. |
| 19:46.23 | Penix | simonrvn: trying to get in to a "normal" sleeping pattern. staying up all night and lasting as long as I can is the best way for me to do it |
| 19:46.25 | ^majik^ | guestish: or is NetBSD and Debian all you work with? =O |
| 19:46.29 | outlier | Anthro: Thanks - I'll go easy on him since he's new and providing nice unmetered bandwith in an underserved area. |
| 19:46.31 | Shortee | thomas_adam: its running... |
| 19:46.36 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Sit tight. |
| 19:46.38 | guestish | ^majik^: gentoo has the most ports like system of the *nixes, some people say they prefer sorcerer which i guess is really ports based, but i've never tried it |
| 19:46.42 | simonrvn | Penix: oh yeh, i know that trick. i do that occasionally |
| 19:46.59 | gandy909 | anthro: guessing thats why / is now chock full of errors? |
| 19:46.59 | Shortee | thomas_adam: it finished, then started over again, is this a different test? |
| 19:46.59 | Anthro | Shortee: Sounds like thomas_adam is helping you. I will leave you to him. |
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| 19:47.10 | thomas_adam | Shortee: "started over"? |
| 19:47.18 | guestish | ^majik^: i mostly prefer binary distros such as mandrake, debian, slackware, because they take less time to upgrade and install, and i really dont care all that much about optomizations |
| 19:47.25 | Shortee | thomas_adam: its on the third test, I guess, its passed 2... |
| 19:47.29 | Penix | thomas_adam: I can't remember. I know I got it working somehow |
| 19:47.32 | Anthro | gandy909: Likely. Reboot. If you are smart, you will reboot with Knoppix or the equivalent and perform an fsck. |
| 19:47.32 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Let it run. |
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| 19:47.44 | thomas_adam | Penix: OK. :) |
| 19:47.45 | Shortee | thomas_adam: how many tests does it do? |
| 19:47.54 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Run it for ~24 hours, if you can. |
| 19:48.05 | gandy909 | anthro: thx I will |
| 19:48.07 | Shortee | thomas_adam: WTF? |
| 19:48.23 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Of course, it coudl be that your PC is overheating. |
| 19:48.27 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Seriously... |
| 19:48.31 | guestish | ^majik^: out of the binary distros i've tried i like debian the best mainly because of its large software repository and its guidelines for installing packages |
| 19:48.31 | thomas_adam | Anthro: No. |
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| 19:48.37 | ^majik^ | guestish: oh yeah, gentoo. yeah, well, in the case of Arch, its pretty cool, since the entire distro is 686-optimized. the downside to that however, is that you can't exactly run it on older machines.. which means you've gotta look for alternatives >_< |
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| 19:48.41 | guestish | ^majik^: i mean adding packages, it makes it so it all fits |
| 19:48.52 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Seriously run it for 24 hours? I don't wanna do that... |
| 19:48.56 | Coke | Hello. Is there a program that can configure and preview GTK2 themes? |
| 19:48.58 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Then don't. |
| 19:49.07 | thomas_adam | Coke: gtk2-theme-swicther ? |
| 19:49.10 | guestish | ^majik^: you might want to try sorcerer |
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| 19:49.16 | thomas_adam | Coke: apt=cache search for it. |
| 19:49.26 | Shortee | thomas_adam: I'll let it run for 10 more minutes |
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| 19:49.34 | Penix | hah |
| 19:49.36 | guestish | ^majik^: its source based and if you like netbsd's pkgsrc it might be a little more up your alley |
| 19:49.44 | ^majik^ | guestish: well, optimizations are cool, and Arch's package system is just great IMO.. its just too bad I can't use any of that really on an older system |
| 19:49.49 | thomas_adam | Shortee: That's fine, because when that stops, so does my help. :) |
| 19:50.01 | thomas_adam | Tick, tock, tick, tock. |
| 19:50.24 | guestish | ^majik^: i've never tried arch |
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| 19:50.37 | Anthro | ^majik^: Processor optimizations are overrated. |
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| 19:51.05 | Shortee | thomas_adam: I'm browsing thru forums trying to see if anyone had a similar problemm |
| 19:51.14 | t-jack | We've killed almost 100 idlers in just 7 days. Keep up the good work, people. |
| 19:51.21 | thomas_adam | Yay! Independant thinking! |
| 19:51.32 | ^majik^ | guestish: yea, I really liked FreeBSD's ports system, and then when I was kinda sorta forced to use NetBSD.. I grew to kinda like nbsd's setup too. but how would you upgrade the system? I dunno. I thought about upgrading the packages on my NetBSD colo, but how ;P |
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| 19:52.06 | thomas_adam | dpkg, tell ^majik^ about leading punctuation |
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| 19:52.10 | Shortee | thomas_adam: "Yay! Independant thinking!" was that directed @ me? |
| 19:52.16 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Yes. |
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| 19:52.28 | guestish | ^majik^: this is really a question for #netbsd :) |
| 19:52.36 | guestish | ^majik^: try to say on topic here |
| 19:52.39 | guestish | stay* |
| 19:52.40 | DanC | hmm... gnome-cd is freezing. ioctl(21, 0x5305 <unfinished ...> |
| 19:52.50 | thomas_adam | DanC: And we care...? |
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| 19:53.02 | ^majik^ | guestish: yea, I wasn't figuring anyone would answer.. I'm just saying though =O |
| 19:53.17 | ^majik^ | well they might've answered, but I gotcha heh |
| 19:53.20 | guestish | ^majik^: ill answer in #netbsd :) |
| 19:53.34 | Shortee | thomas_adam: "I believe I had the exact same problem, which was solved by removing APIC support from the kernel.. If that doesn't work try disabling any power management support (ACPI and/or APM).." Do you think this could help? |
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| 19:54.47 | Coke | thomas_adam: I didn't wind that gtk2-theme-switcher when searching testing. |
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| 19:55.01 | Penix | Coke: gtk-theme-switch |
| 19:55.09 | Coke | I've changed my theme manually, but I get Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "mac2" |
| 19:55.10 | yah00 | hi, how do i find whether a particular library is installed and if it is installed, the current installed version number? |
| 19:55.14 | helix | can't you just use switch2 for gtk2? |
| 19:55.24 | Coke | All I did was include it from my own .gtkrc |
| 19:55.25 | thomas_adam | DanC: don't /msg me |
| 19:55.34 | thomas_adam | !info gtk-theme-switch testing |
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| 19:55.38 | dpkg | gtk-theme-switch: (GTK+ theme switching utility), section x11, is optional. Version: 2.0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 28 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
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| 19:55.44 | helix | Coke: ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
| 19:55.44 | thomas_adam | Coke: ^^ |
| 19:55.55 | Coke | helix: I know, that's where I modified it. |
| 19:56.03 | zeier | I try to make a portforwarding, using iptables. I use the ipmasq rules which work well for my friend's machine, but my machine (10.1.0.1) won't forward port 121 to 10.1.1.1:22. I've posted my iptables to http://www.pastebin.com/88191 .It would be nice if someone would have a look (since I am no expert) |
| 19:56.03 | ^majik^ | thomas_adam: oh, sorry about that. I thought I was being unique with my nick a couple years ago, but it turns out I wasn't.. so I've got the ^'s "wrapped" around my nick =O |
| 19:56.03 | strubbel | need help! |
| 19:56.07 | Anthro | DanC: Are you trying to burn a CD on an ATAPI CD burner? |
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| 19:56.19 | thomas_adam | ^majik^: "special" |
| 19:56.20 | Coke | helix: it holds the line include "/home/peter/.gtktheme-2.0/gtk/gtkrc" where .gtktheme-2.0 is a link to the theme. |
| 19:56.22 | helix | it makes you look like a bat |
| 19:56.32 | DanC | partly, Anthro; currently, I'm just trying to play a music CD. |
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| 19:56.39 | ^majik^ | thomas_adam: heh yeah |
| 19:57.00 | helix | Coke: include "/home/helix/.themes/Dirty-Ice/gtk-2.0/gtkrc" |
| 19:57.01 | DanC | thomas_adam, very well; keep your rude remark to yourself, then, please. |
| 19:57.05 | helix | Coke: that's what's in mine |
| 19:57.05 | Anthro | DanC: And you are having issues playing the CD? |
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| 19:57.18 | DanC | yes, Anthro |
| 19:57.26 | Coke | helix: looks like the same result to me |
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| 19:57.33 | Coke | helix: we both point out the gtkrc |
| 19:57.33 | thomas_adam | Have you tried another cdplayer program, DanC ? |
| 19:57.34 | Anthro | DanC: what software are you trying to use? |
| 19:57.36 | helix | Coke: yeah. there's another include for ~/.gtkrc.mine |
| 19:57.37 | jarango | a |
| 19:57.41 | helix | but I don't know what that is :) |
| 19:57.46 | DanC | gnome-cd; I'm looking for other players. |
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| 19:57.51 | zeier | my portforward-rule is available under http://www.pastebin.com/88193 |
| 19:57.51 | thomas_adam | DanC: xmcd |
| 19:57.59 | helix | hm, it's doesn't exist |
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| 19:58.09 | Anthro | DanC: Try xmms with the xmms-cdread plugin. |
| 19:58.15 | Coke | helix: the strange thing is that I point it out, yet it doesn't find the engine. |
| 19:58.16 | helix | that's a little braindead |
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| 19:58.26 | Coke | helix: do you think I might have to relogin or something similar? |
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| 19:58.35 | helix | Coke: weird. I don't really use gtk apps so I have no idea.. |
| 19:58.41 | helix | Coke: maybe.. |
| 19:58.51 | thomas_adam | DanC: Yes, motif rules. |
| 19:58.58 | jarango | apt-get update hangs after saying [Waiting for Headers]... please help ... |
| 19:58.58 | DanC | chuckle. |
| 19:58.59 | Xyverz | I have a question here: which of these debian torrent isos would I use with a Sun Ultra1 Creator 3D? |
| 19:59.10 | helix | thomas_adam: it's so painfully obvious that you're sleep deprived sometimes. |
| 19:59.12 | thomas_adam | Xyverz: what options do you have? |
| 19:59.18 | thomas_adam | helix: :''( |
| 19:59.23 | Xyverz | thomas_adam: sparc-1 through sparc-12 |
| 19:59.37 | thomas_adam | Xyverz: inclusive? Grab 'em all. |
| 19:59.38 | strubbel | when running 2.4.26 kernel i get "hdb: bad partition table" -> kernel panic, however with 2.4.18 everything is fine |
| 19:59.41 | helix | Xyverz: where are you looking? |
| 19:59.42 | t-jack | Someone please to help with a sound system? I'm beginning to miss music so much I'll tolerate Justin Timberlake. |
| 19:59.50 | Xyverz | helix: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/weekly/torrents/sparc/ |
| 19:59.56 | strubbel | can anyone help me out? |
| 19:59.58 | helix | those are broken |
| 20:00.05 | Anthro | t-jack: What is your issue? |
| 20:00.07 | Xyverz | hmmmm |
| 20:00.11 | Xyverz | ok, that helps then. |
| 20:00.12 | Xyverz | heh |
| 20:00.16 | DanC | Cannot open configuration file: |
| 20:00.16 | DanC | "/usr/share/xmcd/config/cdrom" |
| 20:00.21 | Xyverz | I guess I could go for the stable release isos then. |
| 20:00.27 | strubbel | helix: you talk to me? |
| 20:00.34 | Anthro | DanC: don't forget to install xmms-cdread |
| 20:00.37 | _rene_ | strubbel: you have the necessary partition table support in the kernel= |
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| 20:00.39 | thomas_adam | DanC: You could also try: apt-cache search cd player |
| 20:00.43 | t-jack | Anthro: groups straight, modules in place... no sound. |
| 20:00.46 | Xyverz | but damn. SIX binary isos? |
| 20:00.50 | helix | strubbel: doubtful. |
| 20:00.52 | DanC | yes, was doing that, thomas_adam |
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| 20:00.56 | Xyverz | I'll grab the first and apt-get from there. |
| 20:00.57 | jarango | apt-get update hangs after saying [Waiting for Headers]... please help ... |
| 20:00.58 | Xyverz | thanx |
| 20:00.58 | Anthro | t-jack: Which sound system? ALSA? |
| 20:01.03 | _rene_ | Xyverz: hey, sarge will have 10-11 :-P |
| 20:01.04 | helix | Xyverz: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
| 20:01.09 | _rene_ | Xyverz: woody has 8 :-P |
| 20:01.12 | thomas_adam | DanC: Try some console-ones, like workbone |
| 20:01.37 | strubbel | _rene_: used the same .config as with 2.4.18 |
| 20:01.41 | gandy909 | anthro: left my knoppix at work will any of the 'runs from cd' type distros work? I have suse90 and slack91 |
| 20:01.44 | strubbel | think yes |
| 20:01.46 | t-jack | Anthro: By now, whichever will work. How about OSS? Seems the easiest. |
| 20:01.53 | Anthro | gandy909: Probably. |
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| 20:01.54 | alys | DanC: There's a KDE cd player kscd - do you have that? |
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| 20:02.16 | Xyverz | helix: thanxs |
| 20:02.17 | _rene_ | strubbel: where did that config come from? the Debian 2.4.18? |
| 20:02.17 | strubbel | _rene_: will have a look, moment |
| 20:02.20 | k-god | Trying to install grub. Getting this error: Could not find a device for /boot: Not found or not a block device. |
| 20:02.23 | DanC | hmm... workbone doesn't seem to get along with gnome-terminal; trying with xterm... |
| 20:02.24 | bob2 | gandy909: er, it prints them when you install it. |
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| 20:02.31 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Is there any results I should be looking for after MemTest86? |
| 20:02.33 | _rene_ | strubbel: did you create the initrd? |
| 20:02.36 | Anthro | t-jack: I'd use ALSA by preference. You say you have the modules loaded and the permissions correct. What software are you using to test the sound? |
| 20:02.42 | k-god | Command: install-grub /dev/hda. /boot is not a seperate partition. |
| 20:02.45 | Xyverz | it's either that, or learn to use the solaris 9 install on here... and... I'm not feeling adventurous today. |
| 20:02.47 | DanC | workbone displays goofy characters on xterm too. |
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| 20:03.00 | t-jack | Anthro: OSS module for sbLive is snd_emu10k1? |
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| 20:03.03 | DanC | (and then workbone freezes) |
| 20:03.04 | thomas_adam | DanC: so set your locales. |
| 20:03.05 | helix | Xyverz: the netboot ones seem to work pretty well. I've never tried a cdimage, I just know they're broken |
| 20:03.09 | strubbel | _rene_: it's custom, however a compiled 2.4.18 runns geat |
| 20:03.19 | _rene_ | ah, hmm |
| 20:03.20 | Xyverz | helix: yeah, I'd just want to do a net install anyway. |
| 20:03.25 | Xyverz | helix: thanks for the info |
| 20:03.26 | Xyverz | :-D |
| 20:03.43 | Anthro | t-jack: I believe that anything prefixed with snd_ is ALSA, but I'm not sure. What kernel version are you using? |
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| 20:03.57 | DanC | hmm... I think I've set my locales many times. But I continue to get complaints from variuos bits of software, so I guess I need more clues. |
| 20:04.04 | t-jack | Anthro: 2.6.7 |
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| 20:04.31 | helix | Xyverz: np.. you might also try the daily builds from: http://people.debian.org/~jbailey/d-i/sparc/daily/ |
| 20:04.37 | Anthro | t-jack: Yeah, ALSA should be available to you. What is the line from lspci that lists your sound card? |
| 20:04.39 | helix | doh |
| 20:04.49 | arangoje | apt-get is hanging after saying [Wating for Headers]... please help |
| 20:05.04 | helix | arangoje: ctrl-c, try again |
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| 20:05.18 | arangoje | helix: same thing over and over |
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| 20:05.33 | t-jack | Anthro: Two lines... |
| 20:05.41 | Anthro | t-jack: Okay. |
| 20:05.41 | t-jack | #flood? |
| 20:05.43 | DanC | hmm... cdplay (from package cdtool) seems to work. |
| 20:05.51 | Anthro | t-jack: For two lines you can just paste here. |
| 20:05.52 | strubbel | _rene_: think i got it, advanced partition selection is a new topic and i have a vfat on that disk, try to enable it and see if it works |
| 20:06.06 | t-jack | 0000:02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 08) |
| 20:06.06 | t-jack | 0000:02:0b.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game Port (rev 08) |
| 20:06.12 | strubbel | hopefully |
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| 20:06.40 | t-jack | Anthro: We'll use the first line. |
| 20:06.44 | Anthro | t-jack: Okay, we're only concerned with the first one. The second one is the same device, but a different purpose (joystick input). |
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| 20:07.00 | DanC | heh... issuing cdir while a cd is playing gives an interesting effect |
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| 20:07.20 | Anthro | t-jack: So you've loaded the snd_emu10k1 module, right? And it loaded without errors? |
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| 20:08.00 | Anthro | DanC: The CD drive doesn't need constant commands to keep spinning and reading. |
| 20:08.08 | t-jack | Anthro: Actually, snd_emu10k1 seems broken. It locks my system on modprobe. |
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| 20:08.17 | Anthro | t-jack: Well, that sucks. |
| 20:08.44 | DanC | hmm... so cdplay skips the CPU and just hooks the CD player to the sound card? |
| 20:08.46 | strubbel | _rene_: thanks for your hint |
| 20:08.46 | arangoje | anyone knows why apt-get hangs in [Wating for Headers] message ? |
| 20:08.47 | BrknSoul | DanC: eject... |
| 20:08.49 | Anthro | t-jack: Is this the 2.6.7 kernel from Debian, or one you compiled yourself? |
| 20:09.06 | Coke | gtk-theme-switch generates links for gtk 1 links instead of gtk-2.0, anybody know how to fix this? |
| 20:09.08 | t-jack | Anthro: .deb |
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| 20:09.35 | Anthro | t-jack: Where did the .deb come from, though? |
| 20:09.45 | thomas_adam | Coke: It does both. |
| 20:10.01 | t-jack | Anthro: Oficcial Debian repository. |
| 20:10.11 | BrknSoul | DanC: i used get an old 286 psu, plug it into the wall, grab my cdplayer out of my computer, plug that into the psu, plug some spkrs into the 3.5mm jack and play some cds, sans computer ;-) |
| 20:10.12 | Coke | thomas_adam: but it seems to prefer gtk even though there is no gtk dir under the engine. |
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| 20:10.15 | t-jack | Anthro: Official Debian repository. |
| 20:10.19 | ribnitz | what are the benefits of a 2.6.7 kernel (over 2.6.6, both debian-compiled)? |
| 20:10.24 | DanC | ok, now that it's playing, I wonder why gnome-cd went nutso. Actually, I'm trying to rip the cd... started using gnome-cd as a diagnostic impulse. |
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| 20:10.33 | thomas_adam | Coke: bts |
| 20:10.45 | BrknSoul | ic |
| 20:10.54 | DanC | cdparanoia -Q was hanging. |
| 20:10.56 | Coke | thomas_adam: nor does it work when I choose apply/preview |
| 20:11.00 | Anthro | t-jack: Hrm. So is your system hung? Or has it recovered? |
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| 20:11.03 | thomas_adam | Coke: bts |
| 20:11.10 | thomas_adam | Coke: (don't make me say it again) ;) |
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| 20:11.31 | t-jack | Anthro: I've only one. I'm currently using it. :) |
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| 20:11.52 | DanC | hmm... cdparanoia is working now. (since earlier symptoms, I have rebooted without ide-cd on hdd; the disc is currently in hdc) |
| 20:12.02 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: 5 :) |
| 20:12.09 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: woohoo. :) |
| 20:12.12 | Anthro | t-jack: Ah. Okay, let's go to #flood so you can paste your lsmod output. |
| 20:12.20 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: woot :) |
| 20:12.25 | Coke | Well, if gtk-theme-switch doesn't work properly... I've tried changing it manually, but gtk2 apps just keep ignoring any theme installed from a deb. |
| 20:12.25 | ninja_ | arangoje: dns snafu, i think |
| 20:12.26 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Where are you meeting? |
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| 20:12.52 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: at the restraunt. We both know where it is figured that would be easy |
| 20:13.23 | arangoje | ninja_: snafu ? |
| 20:13.33 | Coke | Ahhh! ln -s .gtkrc .gtkrc-2.0 |
| 20:13.41 | ninja_ | !snafu |
| 20:13.41 | dpkg | snafu is, like, Situation Normal: All fux0red up. See also fux0red. |
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| 20:14.12 | ubb | !fubar |
| 20:14.12 | dpkg | from memory, fubar is Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition; it is a military term, or ask a fubar question, get a fubar answer. the failed unibus address register in a VAX |
| 20:14.12 | arangoje | ninja_: fixed it, seems some mirrors were having problems |
| 20:14.19 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: I'm gonna tell you about my problem. I had Morphix, it worked fine. I got Debian, and @ the boot terminal, its reboot about 30 seconds after being in it... |
| 20:14.22 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: :)) |
| 20:14.41 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Your HW is fux0rd. |
| 20:14.52 | Shortee | thomas_adam: H?W |
| 20:14.56 | thomas_adam | !hw |
| 20:14.56 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: I'm starting to get over nerves and geting into being excited mode. :) |
| 20:14.58 | Shortee | thomas_adam: HW?* |
| 20:15.12 | thomas_adam | dpkg hw is <reply> Hardware. |
| 20:15.12 | dpkg | thomas_adam: okay |
| 20:15.28 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Aww. :) |
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| 20:15.37 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: sounds like hw to me |
| 20:15.41 | Shortee | thomas_adam: yea :) I just realized that :P But home come Morphix and Windows XP all worked fine, w/ no problems? |
| 20:16.00 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: yea :) |
| 20:16.13 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: where does it get to before it boots? |
| 20:16.16 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Since you haven't/cannot/will not divulge any actual errors, or messages, etc, I don't know, and quite frankly, I don't care. |
| 20:16.32 | Shortee | thomas_adam: There was no errors, it just reboots... |
| 20:16.43 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Then your HW is fux0rd. End of story. |
| 20:17.03 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Why did WinXP and Morphix work 100% fine? |
| 20:17.10 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Pot luck. |
| 20:17.13 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: you are clearly wrong and/or lying this would be why no one gives a shit |
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| 20:17.28 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: Wrong or lying about what? |
| 20:17.31 | BACbKA | any user of grace around by chance? |
| 20:17.53 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: the secret is that we all really run WIN 98 and are just a bunch of pousers you should do the same thing |
| 20:18.15 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: lol no, I want Debian :( |
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| 20:18.30 | thomas_adam | BACbKA: She's out back, resting. |
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| 20:18.53 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: mmm. |
| 20:19.01 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Everybody knows there's only one OS worth using... |
| 20:19.15 | idimmu | mac os x? |
| 20:19.18 | DanC | does Morphix still work, Shortee? |
| 20:19.28 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: yup very good. The guy who owns the place immigrated back in the 50s rocking food |
| 20:19.54 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: yea win98 is the OS of all the l337 hax0rs |
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| 20:20.11 | t-jack | idimmu: You could say Caldera DOS and still be correct. Or not. :P :) |
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| 20:20.30 | scarynetworkguy | teh |
| 20:20.56 | idimmu | heh |
| 20:20.59 | Shortee | thomas_adam, scarynetworkguy: Do you think if I tried reinstalling Debian, it would work? |
| 20:21.12 | GregorR | Is it possible to figure out the license under which a program is distributed from the Debian pack? |
| 20:21.28 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Nope. |
| 20:21.38 | BACbKA | GregorR: yes, look in the package's /usr/share/doc/<pkgname> |
| 20:21.38 | thomas_adam | GregorR: apt-cache policy foo |
| 20:21.39 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Why? |
| 20:21.52 | GregorR | BACbKA, thomas_adam: Thanks |
| 20:22.17 | BACbKA | thomas_adam: apt-cache policy doesn't report license |
| 20:22.27 | thomas_adam | BACbKA: Oh, license. |
| 20:22.34 | t-jack | idimmu: OS choice is that subjective. |
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| 20:23.27 | BACbKA | thomas_adam: quoting dpkg, Grace is a point-and-click tool that allows the user to draw X-Y plots. This is the program formerly known as Xmgr. |
| 20:23.34 | Shortee | where did you link me to get Debian again? I think it may have been corrupt... |
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| 20:24.01 | thomas_adam | BACbKA: And what you asked was a poll, not a question. |
| 20:24.09 | thomas_adam | BACbKA: Do you have a question regarding grace? |
| 20:24.31 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: lol |
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| 20:24.32 | BACbKA | thomas_adam: yes, I had a question about a particular data type visualisation in grace |
| 20:24.45 | thomas_adam | BACbKA: Ask it. |
| 20:24.48 | GregorR | H . . . T . . . . M . . . L? You mean XML, right? |
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| 20:24.49 | pixelmonkey | where does one now find gcm (gnome clipboard manager) in sid? |
| 20:24.56 | bob2 | Shortee: www.debian.org? |
| 20:25.01 | Shortee | !tell Shortee about debian |
| 20:25.09 | BACbKA | thomas_adam: but if there is no user around, it's hardly worth trying - too much explanations needed |
| 20:25.16 | idimmu | debian from scratch? |
| 20:25.18 | idimmu | wotsat? |
| 20:25.19 | DanC | http://people.debian.org/~jgoerzen/dfs/ |
| 20:25.25 | idimmu | thnx |
| 20:25.27 | Shortee | bob2: It was a different URL... |
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| 20:25.55 | BACbKA | HTML is an SGML DTD :) |
| 20:25.58 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Do you remember the URL Guerin gave me to download Debian? |
| 20:26.03 | DanC | "May2004: Debian From Scratch (DFS). way cool. bootable CD with kernel 2.6 and lots of recovery and installation tools." -- http://dm93.org/z2001/DebianLinuxJustWorks |
| 20:26.03 | t-jack | DanC: Why trouble with compiling what's precompiled? |
| 20:26.10 | bob2 | no, html is not a sgml dtd |
| 20:26.21 | BACbKA | (and a set of processing conventions) |
| 20:26.25 | bob2 | DFS is Debian with no installer |
| 20:26.32 | bob2 | </> is valid sgml, it's not valid html |
| 20:26.34 | bob2 | or sml |
| 20:26.37 | bob2 | er, xml |
| 20:26.41 | BACbKA | bob2: you are wrong |
| 20:26.43 | mwilson | No installer at all? |
| 20:26.47 | DanC | it's not valid HTML, bob2? on what do you base that claim? |
| 20:26.49 | mwilson | This sounds like a good start. |
| 20:26.54 | BACbKA | bob2: HTML's declaration prohibits SHORTTAG feature of SGML |
| 20:27.00 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Do you remember the URL Guerin gave me to download Debian? |
| 20:27.09 | BACbKA | which you tried to invoke |
| 20:27.11 | thomas_adam | Shortee: I do. |
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| 20:27.19 | ninja_ | pixelmonkey: apt-get install gcm then in gnome add to panel > utility > clipboard manager... |
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| 20:27.30 | Shortee | thomas_adam: What was it? |
| 20:27.36 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Was it just debian.org? |
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| 20:27.42 | bob2 | DanC: </> is not valid html |
| 20:27.42 | thomas_adam | Shortee: he pointed you at the d-i homepage. |
| 20:27.44 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: google on debian installer and go to the first hit |
| 20:27.52 | DanC | " SHORTTAG YES" -- http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/sgml/sgmldecl.html |
| 20:28.01 | Shortee | thomas_adam: d-i home page? |
| 20:28.01 | DanC | bob2, I believe it is. |
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| 20:28.15 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Ah |
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| 20:28.43 | fgh | hi |
| 20:28.50 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Which installed am I supposed to get for a Intel PC? |
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| 20:29.27 | BACbKA | DanC: bummer... |
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| 20:29.48 | fgh | i've compiled a new kernel (2.6.7) on one system ... now when i want to go an a apache on a protected ( allow from localarea ) then its forbidden with the old 2.4 kernel it works, whats this?? |
| 20:30.06 | nksen | smart way to display all installed packages? |
| 20:30.11 | jeanpoldeux | msg dpkg tell jeanpoldeux about hw |
| 20:30.13 | thomas_adam | nksen: dpkg -l |
| 20:30.18 | DanC | dpkg --get-selections (nksen) |
| 20:30.18 | dpkg | DanC: bugger all, i dunno |
| 20:30.18 | BACbKA | bob2: in that case </> is valid html... |
| 20:30.20 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: i386 |
| 20:30.24 | jeanpoldeux | ahaha |
| 20:30.25 | nksen | thx |
| 20:30.26 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: thanks |
| 20:30.43 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: that was the one I though, but wasn't sure. Where is the md5sums? |
| 20:31.00 | DanC | valid html is a pretty academic concept. it has little to do with life as we know it. |
| 20:31.07 | DanC | valid XHTML is somewhat more relevant. |
| 20:31.18 | catfriend | I need help reconfiguring my network. I think that I've really messed up the settings. |
| 20:31.49 | DanC | the intersection of valid HTML with what-browsers-grok is relevant. |
| 20:31.58 | BACbKA | DanC: agreed |
| 20:31.59 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: like I have those kind of cycles to spare. Look on the page it's somewhere there |
| 20:32.27 | BACbKA | http://www.tarunz.org/~vassilii/html-is-an-sgml-dtd.html |
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| 20:33.30 | scarynetworkguy | DanC: it's the firewall always blame the firewall first. :) |
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| 20:34.11 | DanC | actually, on the basis of no evidence, "it's the firewall" is likely to be a correct diagnosis more often than not these days. So yes, I'd bet you're right. 1/2 ;-) |
| 20:34.16 | nksen | thomas_adam, works, thx :) |
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| 20:34.27 | thomas_adam | nksen: I know. |
| 20:34.30 | helix | there should be a UUOM award |
| 20:34.31 | catfriend | Sorry. The problematic computer is an older iMac running 2.6.7, with an ethernet connection to a PC running Knoppix 3.4. I know that the ports are good, but they don't seem to see each other. |
| 20:34.33 | thomas_adam | nksen: Did you think it wouldn't? |
| 20:34.52 | nksen | thomas_adam, heh, dunno. so just take the 'thx' |
| 20:35.02 | thomas_adam | nksen: k, lol. 10x |
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| 20:36.08 | catfriend | The iMac can connect to the DSL modem, as can the PC,though. |
| 20:36.12 | scarynetworkguy | !wysiwg |
| 20:36.19 | thomas_adam | y |
| 20:36.28 | jayjayjay | hello, apt-get install j2re1.4 gives me "Package j2re1.4 is not available, but is referred to by another package" is there a way to fix this ? thanks |
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| 20:36.51 | thomas_adam | jayjayjay: install the correct package. |
| 20:36.54 | jeanpoldeux | jayjayjay: I really don't think so. |
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| 20:37.05 | thomas_adam | !tell jayjayjay about java |
| 20:37.10 | thomas_adam | !tell jayjayjay about get-blackdown |
| 20:37.12 | saapas | LWCE SF = |
| 20:37.13 | saapas | ` |
| 20:37.18 | saapas | damnit, LWCE SF = ? |
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| 20:37.23 | scarynetworkguy | dklfja |
| 20:37.26 | dabreegster | Hi. |
| 20:37.52 | jayjayjay | thomas adam: i am getting it from blackdown... |
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| 20:38.23 | streuner | saapas: SF=Frisco? |
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| 20:38.37 | helix | streuner: yeah |
| 20:38.54 | thomas_adam | :( |
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| 20:39.07 | thomas_adam | It's too far for me to walk. |
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| 20:39.14 | thomas_adam | Plus I am too tired. |
| 20:39.17 | streuner | saapas: LinuxWorldCongressEmergency? |
| 20:39.19 | saapas | oh, some exhibition |
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| 20:39.29 | thomas_adam | "some" exhibition. |
| 20:39.36 | saapas | whatever :) |
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| 20:39.48 | streuner | true, whatever |
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| 20:40.55 | bob2 | this night is too late |
| 20:41.32 | strubbel | jayjayjay: from where do you whant to fetch it? |
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| 20:41.55 | catfriend | I'm tempted to just clear out the old network settings. |
| 20:41.56 | Dragon | hola |
| 20:42.01 | Dragon | ups |
| 20:42.11 | Dragon | hablan ingles |
| 20:42.18 | Dragon | alguien habla espanhol ? |
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| 20:42.25 | sri_ | greetings all |
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| 20:42.37 | thomas_adam | !spanish |
| 20:42.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 20:42.40 | BrknSoul | Dragon: english only please |
| 20:42.56 | strubbel | jayjayjay: still there? |
| 20:42.57 | sri_ | anybody around that could help me debug a problem with my usb device? I have a flash reader that gives kernel messages of "device not accepting address ?", error -71 |
| 20:43.11 | jayjayjay | streuner, yes sorry, i am getting it from tux.org... |
| 20:43.12 | Dragon | thanks |
| 20:43.17 | sri_ | I have linux 2.6.7 |
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| 20:43.27 | strubbel | blackdown? |
| 20:43.29 | jayjayjay | streuner, sorry this wasnt for you... |
| 20:43.30 | streuner | jayjayjay: pardon? |
| 20:43.37 | streuner | ok |
| 20:43.38 | sri_ | it doesn't work with a debian kernel 2.6.6-686 but it works fine in 2.4 |
| 20:43.38 | DanC | sri_, I've wrestled with several usb flash problems recently, but I've never seen that message. has your gizmo ever worked? |
| 20:43.41 | scarynetworkguy | sri_: do you have hotplug installed? |
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| 20:43.46 | jayjayjay | strubbel, yes blackdown |
| 20:43.55 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: I believe I do, it works under 2.4 |
| 20:43.55 | thomas_adam | !worked in 2,4 |
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| 20:44.31 | sri_ | DanC: yeah it has, it's worked in XP (alhtough recently it stopped working saying that the device doesn't work in "slow" usb hub) and it works fine in 2.4 |
| 20:44.37 | strubbel | jayjayjay: perhaps you forgot to add main or non-free to the end of your sources.list line for java |
| 20:44.40 | scarynetworkguy | sri_: is this the first time this has been plugged in with this kernel? |
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| 20:44.59 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: um..yeah, it's never worked with this and I"ve been trying all kinds of kernel combinations |
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| 20:45.20 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: after some research the -71 error seems to indicate that the card is either not seeing the kernel requesting info, or it's dropping it. |
| 20:45.36 | jayjayjay | strubbel, nop it is not that, but i just found a way to make it work, i am on testing but by putting unstable in the entry for blackdown in sources.list apt-get install works... |
| 20:46.05 | strubbel | jayjayjay: fine :) |
| 20:46.11 | scarynetworkguy | sri_: I'm going to take this chance to explain something. "trying all kinds of kernel combinations" is rarely a good idea you need to at least pretend to approach the problem in a methodical way. |
| 20:46.38 | scarynetworkguy | sri_: now with that out of the way did it work on XP on this machine? |
| 20:47.06 | jayjayjay | strubbel, yes , i don t understant why, but now it is ok:) thanks anyway byebye |
| 20:47.21 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: agreed. the approach was more along the lines of "find howto for usb-storage, and then decide whether a module or compiling straight into the kernel woudl work" |
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| 20:47.36 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: a couple of days I tried and it did seem to work. |
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| 20:47.49 | DanC | hmm... jack/cdparanoia worked up to about track 9, then petered out. I'm beginning to suspect the disk... trying to rip it with iTunes on an iMac |
| 20:48.02 | catfriend | Any suggestions? |
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| 20:48.06 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: however, yesterday I tried, and the driver decided not to accept my device on the grounds that the device was a "high speed" usb device and won't work in degraded mode. |
| 20:48.25 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: but the device works against a stock debian kernel 2.4.x |
| 20:48.30 | scarynetworkguy | sri_: well there you go then. |
| 20:48.48 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: the xp machine is on a seperate computer, not on the computer I'm plugging this into. |
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| 20:48.50 | araldit | I want to be able to play java games in firefox, but need java.. Which version is the right one?? Blackhawk, sun, J2re J2se og J2sdk.. Im a bit confused |
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| 20:49.05 | DanC | araldit, good luck. |
| 20:49.15 | ribnitz | people, is usb2 needed if I want to connect things like harddisks via usb? |
| 20:49.21 | araldit | Is it that hard |
| 20:49.28 | Penix | araldit: no |
| 20:49.29 | ribnitz | araldit: it is |
| 20:49.30 | zinx | ribnitz: no, but it'll sure be a lot faster if you have it |
| 20:49.36 | scarynetworkguy | sri_: does this machine have a usb2 hub? |
| 20:49.42 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: the other thing I was doing was removing stuff like ehci (eg high speed support) to see if it's something with that. |
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| 20:49.47 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: it does. |
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| 20:49.53 | ribnitz | zinx: you mean the 12mb/s for usb 1 isnt enough? |
| 20:49.55 | DanC | sun's license for java isn't DSFG-happy, so it's really not practical to get much/most java stuff integrated/supported in debian. |
| 20:49.59 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: at least it claims to have found one. |
| 20:50.03 | zinx | ribnitz: that's slow :/ |
| 20:50.11 | zinx | ribnitz: and theoretical |
| 20:50.31 | ribnitz | zinx: what is the practical max you get for usb 1.1? |
| 20:50.36 | DanC | every once in a while, I get java working; then, after N months of apt-getting various foo, java falls over. 'slife with non-free stuff. |
| 20:50.46 | zinx | ribnitz: depends on the device -- and i have no idea for any of them |
| 20:50.50 | BrknSoul | !tell Fede79 about root |
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| 20:51.15 | Jambhala | hello |
| 20:51.19 | Jr-1 | someone can help a knoppix newbie ?? |
| 20:51.19 | araldit | But sure some of u have java installed.. Which would u prefer. |
| 20:51.26 | Penix | Jr-1: #knoppix |
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| 20:51.53 | Jr-1 | Penix, everybody sleeps there |
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| 20:52.06 | DanC | really, Penix? what sort of stuff do you use it for/with? eclipse? development? web apps? |
| 20:52.28 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: how do you know for sure btw? |
| 20:52.33 | scarynetworkguy | sri_: unplug the device plug it back in cat /var/log/kern.log and paste oh say the last 15 lines into #flood |
| 20:52.37 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: that you have one? I'm considering maybe that it's confused. |
| 20:52.46 | Penix | DanC: basic java apps, browser applets, some development a while back |
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| 20:54.53 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: from that log, does it seem like it was trying to change speed of 12 mbs to 480? |
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| 20:55.56 | mateusz | Hi, Any Linux program that check md5 of songs and add correct id3tags and titles with freedb ? |
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| 20:57.17 | DanC | mateusz, I'm after the same sort of thing; tried package "easytag"; it works OK for manual stuff. but if you want automatic, you want musicbrainz |
| 20:57.36 | mateusz | DanC thx |
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| 20:57.49 | Bac9 | what package provides Arial.ttf? I can't seem to find where it is, but that font is listed in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/fonts.scale for me |
| 20:57.55 | Zxcvb | has anyone here had any problems with going through airport screening with a laptop running linux because the screener didn't recognize linux's bootup? |
| 20:58.00 | helix | I wonder why they used a 'z' instead of an 's' |
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| 20:58.20 | helix | Bac9: msttcorefonts ? |
| 20:58.22 | helix | or something |
| 20:58.27 | idnar | helix: "they"? |
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| 20:58.30 | idnar | oh |
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| 20:58.33 | idnar | musicbrainz |
| 20:58.35 | DanC | ya know... listening to music is just a totally different experience with a sub-woofer. |
| 20:58.38 | helix | idnar: yeah |
| 20:58.41 | Bac9 | helix: but acording to aptitude that's not installed.. |
| 20:58.47 | helix | Bac9: so install it |
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| 20:59.10 | scarynetworkguy | install it dear liza install it dear liza |
| 20:59.12 | Falkor | Hi, just wondering. What's the 'debian way' of setting up default wm and web browser (Have a very useful link in the main menu of openbox ;) |
| 20:59.16 | Penix | wonder what they'd think of an alpha notebook running openvms if they're scared of linux |
| 20:59.16 | mateusz | DanC, is there ant gtk2 gui for brainz ? |
| 20:59.20 | Bac9 | helix: but I don't want it... that font is just causing random crashes of apps for me, so I'd like to reinstall/remove any package providing it |
| 20:59.29 | mateusz | DanC, any graphical util for renaming songs.. |
| 20:59.41 | scarynetworkguy | with what dear henry with what dear henry |
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| 20:59.52 | DanC | easytag is a graphical util for renaming songs.. |
| 20:59.55 | DanC | I think it's gtk2 |
| 21:00.02 | Penix | no |
| 21:00.04 | sri_ | scarynetworkguy: I believe thats 'e-liza' :) |
| 21:00.04 | Penix | 1.x |
| 21:00.09 | DanC | zinf is a gui that groks musicbrainz, but I dunno if it does renaming/tagging |
| 21:00.14 | scarynetworkguy | DanC: you just figuring that out? :) |
| 21:00.27 | sri_ | I think gstreamer has music brainz support.. |
| 21:00.29 | Bac9 | helix: I tried searching packages.debian.org and dpkg-query -S and none of them could tell me where that font is coming from |
| 21:00.37 | DanC | re-discovering it. I worked at a place that sold live PA equipment in high school. |
| 21:01.28 | DanC | I played some music on these "comes with the PC speakers" but didn't really recognize it as music. |
| 21:01.42 | Covener | Bac9: someone allready told you msttcorefonts, or you copied it from a windows system |
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| 21:02.11 | scarynetworkguy | speakers that come with your pc will give you cancer |
| 21:02.28 | DanC | heh |
| 21:02.35 | Bac9 | Covener: don't have that package installed and don't have m$ installed either... so how is that file found by xfontsel? and how do I get rid of it? *frustrated* |
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| 21:02.49 | iLLPoTaTo | i'm attempting to install gdm and I'm not quite sure what to put under 'chipset.' I have an nVidia tnt2, any suggestions? |
| 21:02.49 | Penix | testicular cancer |
| 21:02.53 | Covener | Bac9: run all the update-fonts stuff? |
| 21:03.07 | Penix | iLLPoTaTo: what? |
| 21:03.30 | Bac9 | Covener: is that it? I never touched font stuf manually, only through apt so I don't know what stuff it runs |
| 21:03.33 | Penix | since when does gdm want to know anything about your video card? |
| 21:03.37 | iLLPoTaTo | i selected vesa, but that didn't seem to work |
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| 21:03.49 | iLLPoTaTo | my monitor start flashing "viseo mode not supported" |
| 21:03.58 | iLLPoTaTo | and I couldn't get out of it |
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| 21:04.27 | nobody1 | hello! anyone knows what has happened to the rocksndiamonds game ? |
| 21:04.30 | fgh | i've compiled a new kernel (2.6.7) on one system ... now when i want to go an a apache on a protected ( allow from localarea ) then its forbidden with the old 2.4 kernel it works, whats this?? |
| 21:04.30 | nobody1 | in debian |
| 21:04.44 | Bac9 | Covener: I see update-fonts-alias, update-fonts-dir, and update-fonts-scale which of those should I run, and in which order? do I have to run them in any specific directory? any help is highly apreciated |
| 21:04.48 | fgh | apache protected site with allow from localarea |
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| 21:04.49 | Covener | Bac9: Is that dir valid for any of your system fonts? Take it out of your fontpath? |
| 21:04.49 | exarkun | is the debian package popularity contest over/discontinued/something? I've been getting bounces. |
| 21:05.03 | ribnitz | nobody1: packages.d.o/rocksandiamonds |
| 21:05.24 | Bac9 | Covener: which directory? I found the reference to the file in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/fonts.scale |
| 21:05.37 | Bac9 | Covener: I don't even know whre the file is |
| 21:05.50 | nobody1 | ribnitz, doesnt exist. |
| 21:05.59 | nobody1 | rocks-n-diamonds it used to be, iirc |
| 21:06.36 | Covener | Bac9: Looking at that, you can't guess what directory I think you might want to take out of your fontpath? |
| 21:06.47 | ribnitz | nobody1: package.debian.org |
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| 21:07.41 | jbl | helu! |
| 21:07.53 | Bac9 | Covener: frankly I've never dealt with fonts by hand so I don't even know where to begin, but I know that every time any app tries to access that font the app crashes, and someone here told me to reinstall the font... hence I seek help |
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| 21:08.54 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: 3 hours? |
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| 21:09.21 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: just shy of 4 :) |
| 21:09.22 | mwilson | Bac9: We told you that last night. You STILL haven't done it? |
| 21:09.27 | thomas_adam | :) |
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| 21:09.40 | Covener | Bac9: Have you tried taking /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/ out of your fontpath? That'd be set in your XF86Config-4, or man xset to change it on the fly, or install the font. |
| 21:09.44 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: yup :)) |
| 21:09.47 | thomas_adam | "Come in, she said I'll give you; shelter from the storm..." |
| 21:09.52 | Bac9 | mwilson: I tried dpkg-query -S and it dodn't come up with anything, I don't know what else to try |
| 21:10.17 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 21:10.23 | thomas_adam | | |
| 21:10.32 | Bac9 | Covener: that path is not listed in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 21:10.33 | thomas_adam | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.41 | mwilson | Amazing how the one thing you try isn't on the list of half-a-dozen ways that various people told you to use. |
| 21:10.51 | guestish | thomas_adam: you tried :) |
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| 21:10.57 | thomas_adam | guestish: I did. |
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| 21:11.24 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: very good try |
| 21:11.30 | Covener | Bac9: are you using some font server (xfs,xfstt) that is pointing to it? is that listed in your X11 config? have you looked at your fontpath using xset? |
| 21:11.46 | ribnitz | 2.6.7. -kernel better than 2.6.6.? |
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| 21:11.56 | guestish | ribnitz: no, its worse |
| 21:12.02 | guestish | ribnitz: thats why its newer |
| 21:12.04 | jeanpoldeux | !tell ribnitz about vns |
| 21:12.17 | Bac9 | Covener: yes for xfs-xtt, no for xset |
| 21:12.28 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: "better" |
| 21:12.35 | guestish | !+better |
| 21:12.35 | dpkg | hmm... better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 21:12.45 | Covener | Bac9: find xfs-xtt's configuration and take the dir out of it. |
| 21:13.03 | mwilson | Why in the world are you using xfs-xtt? |
| 21:13.13 | scarynetworkguy | "I never thought this night would be this close" |
| 21:13.15 | ribnitz | wouldn't be worthwile installing it, would it? |
| 21:13.18 | Shortee | thomas_adam: How do I setup X? I reinstalled, and its not rebooting anymore |
| 21:13.29 | ribnitz | !set up x |
| 21:13.29 | dpkg | i heard set up x is To set up X in woody, sarge or sid, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86" (or x-window-system-core instead of xserver-xfree86 if you don't have it yet) Sometimes "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" works. dpkg-reconfigure will keep your old values as defaults each time you run it. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 21:13.44 | Covener | mwilson: disgust seconded, but trying to find the shortest path here :( |
| 21:13.56 | thomas_adam | !tell Shortee about set up x |
| 21:14.01 | guestish | !mourn Covener |
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| 21:14.12 | thomas_adam | ribnitz: redirect them to the cluebies, please. |
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| 21:14.28 | Bac9 | Covener: ok, now which path do I take out of /etc/X11/fs-xtt/config? |
| 21:14.35 | ninja_ | ribnitz: 2.6.7 contains an important security fix (/msg dpkg linux dos attack) |
| 21:14.39 | guestish | ribnitz: the higher the kernel version the less known security flaws in it |
| 21:14.43 | Covener | Bac9: maybe the one we both typed out 40 times in the last 4 minutes? |
| 21:14.53 | guestish | ribnitz: though the number of unknown flaws cant really be determined |
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| 21:15.11 | BrknSoul | chroot /mnt/hdc5 /bin/bash; lilo -- gives me "Fatal: open /dev/hdc: Permission denied", any ideas? |
| 21:15.20 | guestish | BrknSoul: be root |
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| 21:15.32 | BrknSoul | whoami = root |
| 21:15.35 | Bac9 | Covener: I didn't type out any path, I just typed out a file that mentioned arial.ttf, unless that is the path in which case it's not in that file |
| 21:15.45 | Jambhala | BrknSoul, in fstab file, change the "owner" parameter for "user" |
| 21:16.01 | soopurman | is there a package i can apt-get install that simply depends on all the utilities and libraries i'll need to start compiling 3rd party software from source ? (ie. run through a typical ./configure && make && make install) ? |
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| 21:16.19 | thomas_adam | soopurman: build-essential |
| 21:16.37 | Bac9 | Covener: pardon all the newbie questions, but I am really new to all the font managing stuff |
| 21:16.44 | soopurman | thomas_adam: thank you |
| 21:16.57 | guestish | Bac9: no one understands X, much less its font setup |
| 21:16.58 | thomas_adam | soopurman: As for the ./configure && make -- ye gads man! If you *must* compile from source DO IT MANUALLY. |
| 21:17.20 | guestish | Bac9: X is an evil maze of bugs and errors |
| 21:17.25 | Bac9 | guestish: well that's not much help :-) I'd like to get this thing fixed |
| 21:17.29 | Shortee | thomas_adam: How do I get to my desktop? |
| 21:17.32 | guestish | Bac9: i feel your pain |
| 21:17.34 | ribnitz | soopurman: usually you have a package maintainer for that |
| 21:17.36 | Shortee | thomas_adam: And the graphical login |
| 21:17.39 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Duh! You install a window manager. |
| 21:17.41 | guestish | Bac9: whats the problem |
| 21:17.43 | Covener | Bac9: i'm guessing there's an entry that has TrueType in the path -- i'd suggest removing it if you really don't have any truetype fonts installed |
| 21:17.46 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: what desktop do you want? |
| 21:17.48 | thomas_adam | Shortee: YOU READ THE FACTOID. |
| 21:17.59 | Covener | Bac9: of course then you have even less reason to use xfs-xtt... |
| 21:18.06 | Bac9 | guestish: x apps crashing when trying to access arial font, and I have no clue how to fix it |
| 21:18.14 | Shortee | thomas_adam: is X a window manager? |
| 21:18.19 | thomas_adam | Shortee: No. |
| 21:18.22 | Chameleon22 | any ipcop experts here? |
| 21:18.24 | BrknSoul | Jambhala: where in fstab? |
| 21:18.27 | soopurman | ribnitz, thomas_adam: i love using apt-get, but i want libdvdcss, and i can't find a binary package for powerpc |
| 21:18.27 | guestish | Bac9: like i said, X is evil, so i have no clue how to help, sorry |
| 21:18.29 | Covener | Bac9: But once your apps stop crashing you can take xfs-xtt out of th emix completely and just use fontpaths |
| 21:18.43 | Bac9 | Covener: I have pleanty of fonts installed, actually probably most fonts in debian that are not aisia specific |
| 21:18.44 | guestish | xfstt is the best |
| 21:18.49 | thomas_adam | soopurman: There's a script that installs that for you, should you install marillat's mplayer source. |
| 21:18.51 | Jambhala | BrknSoul, this is the path: /etc/fstab |
| 21:19.00 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Whats a window manager? KDE/Gnome? |
| 21:19.05 | BrknSoul | Jambhala: where in the file? |
| 21:19.06 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: did you do what dpkg told you to do? |
| 21:19.06 | Jambhala | just do a vi /etc/fstab from command line |
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| 21:19.13 | guestish | soopurman: libdvdread is the same thing |
| 21:19.16 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy:yea |
| 21:19.17 | Jambhala | "vi /etc/fstab" |
| 21:19.21 | BrknSoul | Jambhala: where _in_, not where _is_ |
| 21:19.26 | Phated | Morning, all. |
| 21:19.27 | Jambhala | oh |
| 21:19.27 | Jambhala | hell |
| 21:19.28 | guestish | vi is short for VIle |
| 21:19.29 | Jambhala | sorry :) |
| 21:19.30 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: what desktop do you think you want? |
| 21:19.34 | guestish | use nano |
| 21:19.34 | Bac9 | Covener: only entry with TrueType in the path is /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType |
| 21:19.37 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: Gnome |
| 21:19.40 | Jambhala | in the file |
| 21:19.43 | BrknSoul | Jambhala: :-P |
| 21:19.48 | Jambhala | the lines to mount the units |
| 21:19.48 | guestish | Bac9: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType |
| 21:19.50 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: apt-get install gnome? |
| 21:19.50 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: apt-get install gnomew gdm should work |
| 21:19.59 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: apt-get install gnome gdm should work |
| 21:20.00 | Bac9 | guestish: nope, that's not there |
| 21:20.00 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: gnomew gdm? |
| 21:20.04 | thomas_adam | gnome-desktop-environment |
| 21:20.06 | Jambhala | there are iso9660 noauto, blablabla, and must be a "owner" |
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| 21:20.10 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: thanks |
| 21:20.13 | BrknSoul | Jambhala: i want to repair my MBR |
| 21:20.14 | Jambhala | just change "owner" for "user" |
| 21:20.16 | guestish | Bac9: no, go there |
| 21:20.22 | Covener | Bac9: Browse there, see if you have dead symlinks |
| 21:20.24 | guestish | Bac9: type ls |
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| 21:20.26 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: apt-get instal gnome-desktop-emvironment gdm |
| 21:20.38 | Swampy | hi, i'm using samba as a fileserver for win boxes, but upon sending files to the server smbd does some 'allocate file space' before the transfer begins, is there a way to make it just grow while sending? |
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| 21:20.41 | hacim | how do I set an initrd in grub/menu.lst for a debian kernel? |
| 21:20.42 | guestish | Bac9: if you dont see arial, well, that'll explain a lot wouldnt it? :) |
| 21:20.47 | BrknSoul | Jambhala: /dev/hdc isn't in fstab |
| 21:20.53 | Jambhala | BrknSoul, mbr? were you the one with permissons troubles with /dev/hdc? |
| 21:20.58 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: what is the video card's bus identifier? |
| 21:20.58 | guestish | !tell Bac9 about msttcorefonts |
| 21:21.00 | Covener | Bac9: dpkg-reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 21:21.01 | Bac9 | Guerin: 3 files: encodings.dir, fonts.dir and fonts.scale |
| 21:21.10 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: just leave it blank |
| 21:21.14 | Shortee | alright |
| 21:21.16 | Jambhala | look for scd0 (if you have scsi emulation enabled in your kernel) |
| 21:21.21 | Covener | guestish: it doesn't explain why his system partially sees arial, which is his problem |
| 21:21.24 | Jambhala | scd0, scd1, ... |
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| 21:21.32 | deadcat | hacim: initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.4.25+20040726++morgan |
| 21:21.34 | guestish | Covener: how do you partially see something? with 1 eye? |
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| 21:21.43 | BrknSoul | Jambhala: yup...repairing MBR in /dev/hdc (chroot,lilo) gives permission error |
| 21:21.45 | deadcat | hacim: put that after the kernel line in menu.lst |
| 21:21.46 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: You must be excitied, your typing is off. :) |
| 21:21.46 | guestish | Covener: well i suppose you could cover one eye and look with the other |
| 21:21.54 | Covener | guestish: It believes arial is installed, but can't load the font |
| 21:21.56 | Jambhala | oh! |
| 21:22.00 | hacim | deadcat: thanks |
| 21:22.00 | thomas_adam | guestish: Yarrrrh. |
| 21:22.01 | Jambhala | hell, sorry |
| 21:22.04 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: my typing is always off. but yea I am |
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| 21:22.10 | Jambhala | I thought it was a cd/dvd unit! :) |
| 21:22.15 | guestish | Covener: well if it isnt there then it isnt installed, is it |
| 21:22.22 | BrknSoul | Jambhala, hehe, noo |
| 21:22.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Excited? Good. :) |
| 21:22.23 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: I ahdnt noticed yours was as bad sa nime. ;) |
| 21:22.26 | Jambhala | so, don't know how to fix the mbr, sorry |
| 21:22.26 | jcarr_ | what are some of the "must have" apps for a development workstation? |
| 21:22.26 | guestish | thomas_adam: you trying to give birth or somethin? :) |
| 21:22.29 | Jambhala | :/ |
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| 21:22.36 | thomas_adam | guestish: I thought you were being a pirate, |
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| 21:22.38 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: morning. Yes very good :) |
| 21:22.41 | Covener | guestish: Right, the one thing he does know is that the font isn't installed -- not exactly progress. |
| 21:22.42 | deadcat | jcarr_: vim/build-essintals (= |
| 21:22.44 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: heh |
| 21:22.53 | BrknSoul | ok... |
| 21:22.56 | guestish | !tell Covener about msttcorefonts |
| 21:22.58 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Wonderful. :) Another five hours or so? :) |
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| 21:23.01 | BrknSoul | chroot /mnt/hdc5 /bin/bash; lilo -- gives me "Fatal: open /dev/hdc: Permission denied", any ideas? |
| 21:23.08 | guestish | thomas_adam: ah, that makes sense |
| 21:23.09 | jcarr_ | I got vim |
| 21:23.10 | Covener | guestish: We've been through this, he doesn't want to install it. |
| 21:23.11 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: 3.5 :) |
| 21:23.19 | guestish | Covener: well thats his problem |
| 21:23.22 | Covener | guestish: He wants to remove references to it on his system -- fonts.scale for example. |
| 21:23.24 | thomas_adam | BrknSoul: ls -l /dev/hdx |
| 21:23.26 | thomas_adam | BrknSoul: ls -l /dev/hdc |
| 21:23.27 | deadcat | !LWCE |
| 21:23.27 | dpkg | i guess lwce is Linux World Conference and Expo (http://www.linuxworldexpo.com) |
| 21:23.46 | guestish | Bac9: xset fp rehash |
| 21:23.48 | BrknSoul | brwxrw---- 1 root disk 22, 0 2001-04-15 02:43 /dev/hdc |
| 21:23.49 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Àwesome. :) |
| 21:23.55 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: what do I do after gnome is installed? |
| 21:23.55 | jack_ | is it possible to dual boot windows / sarge ? |
| 21:24.02 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yea I'm pretty pumped |
| 21:24.03 | deadcat | jack_: what not |
| 21:24.05 | guestish | jack_: anything is possible |
| 21:24.11 | Bac9 | guestish: hold on a sec I am doing what Covener said |
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| 21:24.18 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: I would guess you would log in and waste a bunch of cycles |
| 21:24.26 | BrknSoul | thomas_adam: brwxrw---- 1 root disk 22, 0 2001-04-15 02:43 /dev/hdc |
| 21:24.27 | guestish | Bac9: which would be..? |
| 21:24.29 | Covener | guestish: he's talking to xfs-xtt, that probably won't be so effective |
| 21:24.35 | scarynetworkguy | I'm the Stranger..... |
| 21:24.37 | thomas_adam | BrknSoul: That looks fine. |
| 21:24.38 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: lol, what you mean "waste a bunch of cycles" |
| 21:24.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Excellent. You all dressed yet? Or are you leaving that till later? |
| 21:24.43 | guestish | Covener: if he doesnt want TT fonts then remove xfs-xtt |
| 21:24.43 | Covener | guestish: reconfig / skip x-ttcidfont-conf |
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| 21:24.51 | BrknSoul | thomas_adam: that's what i thought |
| 21:25.06 | thomas_adam | GNOME - "Garbage Overwhelms Me Environment." |
| 21:25.08 | Covener | guestish: He doesn't want the MS fonts, I'm assuming he has xfs-xtt for some good reason and don't want to break his system |
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| 21:25.14 | guestish | Covener: well it sounds like you know more about it than me, how much do you know about fonts in general? |
| 21:25.14 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: no much later. I'd just spill something if I went there now :) |
| 21:25.19 | Penix | where's the N? |
| 21:25.20 | thomas_adam | with 'Nearly' in there, for good measure. |
| 21:25.24 | guestish | Covener: im having a font issue with fxtv on netbsd |
| 21:25.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Clever boy. :) |
| 21:25.31 | Penix | !britsmite thomas_adam |
| 21:25.34 | jack_ | sarge wont recognize that windows is on ide master, and grub only boots to sarge. can you point me to help ? |
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| 21:25.45 | Phated | thomas_adam: Where does the N come from, then? |
| 21:25.46 | thomas_adam | Penix: Oooh, you're welcome to those. |
| 21:25.51 | owner | hey does anyone know if apt-get can limit the download bandwidth? |
| 21:25.54 | thomas_adam | Penix: Been trying to get rid of those for ages. |
| 21:25.57 | scarynetworkguy | staring at the sand staring at the sea |
| 21:26.01 | Covener | guestish: just enough to get by, his only prob is that his system is in an inconsistent state between the several font facilities available (update-fonts crap, xfs, defoma) |
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| 21:26.08 | BrknSoul | chroot /mnt/hdc5 /bin/bash; lilo -- gives me "Fatal: open /dev/hdc: Permission denied", any ideas? |
| 21:26.08 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: every once in a while :) |
| 21:26.09 | thomas_adam | owner: I have a script for that. |
| 21:26.15 | thomas_adam | owner: I'll upload it, one sec. |
| 21:26.20 | scarynetworkguy | dead man on the beach dead man on the beach |
| 21:26.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Good. :) |
| 21:26.35 | owner | thomas_adam: thx |
| 21:26.43 | thomas_adam | owner: np, lol. |
| 21:26.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Dead man on the beach is -not- good. |
| 21:26.44 | Bac9 | guestish: doing dpkg-reconfigure x-ttcidfont-conf |
| 21:26.49 | guestish | Covener: mine debian system is limping when it comes to fonts, i think i have my fonts installed 10 times over |
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| 21:26.59 | Covener | guestish: all apps? or certain ones? |
| 21:27.00 | guestish | Covener: due to some frusteration earlier with unstable :) |
| 21:27.00 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: song by The Cure. You ever read "The Stranger" |
| 21:27.17 | guestish | Covener: oh its not hurting anything, its just taking up space |
| 21:27.19 | Covener | guestish: more importantly vanilla x11, xft1 or xft2/fontconfig |
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| 21:27.22 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I'm happy and singing :) |
| 21:27.27 | camus | Albert Cadmus |
| 21:27.28 | guestish | Covener: not a clue |
| 21:27.28 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Nope. But that's not a song you should be huming on a date afternoon either. :) |
| 21:27.33 | Phated | humminh* |
| 21:27.35 | Covener | guestish: ah, yeah it can really accumulate a lot of cruft |
| 21:27.36 | camus | errr.. camus even |
| 21:27.46 | guestish | Covener: heh |
| 21:28.01 | Phated | humming* |
| 21:28.02 | guestish | Covener: right now im using xfs and xfstt, have a million fonts everywhere, but it works :) |
| 21:28.04 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: no not there. Any book by Camus they made a song out of it |
| 21:28.05 | Bac9 | Covener: that didn't quite help, the font is still seen by xfontsel and xfonsel still crashed when I try to choose it |
| 21:28.07 | deadcat | bash 3.0-4 already? hahah so many bugs. |
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| 21:28.12 | guestish | Covener: how its working is beyond me |
| 21:28.14 | thomas_adam | owner: http://linuxmafia.com/~n6tadam/apt-fetch |
| 21:28.18 | thomas_adam | owner: Install wget at least. |
| 21:28.19 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Er, OK. :) |
| 21:28.23 | SG1 | Anyone know how to fix [drm:i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockup? |
| 21:28.31 | thomas_adam | SG1: reboot. |
| 21:28.31 | coffeejunk | hi i've a problem: I can't write an "at" with my keyboard. i tghink it's wrong configured how can i reconfigure my keyboard driver |
| 21:28.33 | Covener | guestish: take the x-ttcindfont-conf out of the xfs-xtt config and restart xfs-xtt |
| 21:28.40 | SG1 | thomas_adam, doesnt work |
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| 21:28.55 | SG1 | thomas_adam, nor do old kernels |
| 21:29.06 | wind | thomas_adam can you tell me, why I cant use Iptables connection related accept for the passv portrange of a FTP Server |
| 21:29.14 | Bac9 | guestish: tried xset fp rehash and nothing usefull either |
| 21:29.16 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yea if you don't have the context it sounds kind of odd doesn't it |
| 21:29.16 | Weeble | lo ppl I kno |
| 21:29.26 | Phated | coffeejunk: YOu don't configure a keyboard driver, unles you have some funky type of ketboard. |
| 21:29.28 | guestish | Covener: xfstt, not xfs-xtt |
| 21:29.36 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah, it does sound pretty odd. |
| 21:29.40 | owner | thomas_adam: nice script =) |
| 21:29.45 | thomas_adam | owner: Thank you. |
| 21:29.54 | Bac9 | Covener, guestish: any more ideas? please |
| 21:29.56 | Covener | guestish: don't both exist? |
| 21:30.00 | coffeejunk | Phated: ok how can i reconfigure my keymap |
| 21:30.02 | thomas_adam | wind: Why would you want to? |
| 21:30.06 | guestish | Covener: yes, but they are 2 differnet servers |
| 21:30.18 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: someone once said something about hydrogen and stupidty being the two most common elements in the universe |
| 21:30.19 | guestish | Covener: ones a xft extension, and ones a seperate server :0 |
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| 21:30.37 | Phated | coffeejunk: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 21:30.37 | Covener | Bac9: remove that reference to x-ttcidfont-conf maybe? |
| 21:30.49 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: ha. :) |
| 21:30.51 | coffeejunk | Phated: thx |
| 21:30.52 | guestish | Covener: or somethin like that |
| 21:31.04 | Phated | coffeejunk: No problem. |
| 21:31.08 | coffeejunk | Phated: does this work forx and shell? |
| 21:31.14 | Bac9 | Covener: fron /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
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| 21:31.34 | camus | I thought acroread was an apt package on the default apt servers? |
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| 21:31.41 | camus | apt repositories even |
| 21:31.42 | apt | camus: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 21:31.43 | Phated | coffeejunk: For x, you want dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:31.44 | Covener | guestish: ah,i saw him mention the config file was in .../fs-xtt/ so assumed he had xfs-xtt |
| 21:31.51 | helix | /nick sartre |
| 21:31.53 | mike_25 | If I want to dual boot between XP and Debian which should I install first |
| 21:31.54 | mike_25 | ? |
| 21:31.54 | coffeejunk | thx |
| 21:31.56 | guestish | Covener: no, thats what i have, not what he has |
| 21:32.00 | guestish | Covener: :) |
| 21:32.05 | Bac9 | Covener: your assumption is correct, xfs-xtt is installed |
| 21:32.07 | Covener | Bac9: wherever you see it -- X11 config or the fontserver config |
| 21:32.08 | greycat | a/way |
| 21:32.12 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: s/any/a and it makes a bit more sense. I need to type better. :) |
| 21:32.21 | camus | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free |
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| 21:32.28 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. :) |
| 21:32.31 | camus | deb http://debian.crosslink.net/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 21:32.35 | camus | those are two I have |
| 21:32.39 | coffeejunk | thc |
| 21:32.46 | Bac9 | Covener: frankly I have no idea how X handles fonts but it's mentioned in both those files |
| 21:32.47 | camus | any idea why acroread doesnt show up on them? |
| 21:33.09 | guestish | camus: dont use acroread, its evillll |
| 21:33.11 | guestish | evillllllll |
| 21:33.12 | Covener | Bac9: comment them, restart, see if you can live with (possibly) missing truetype fonts |
| 21:33.22 | Covener | Bac9: but it doesn't sound like any fonts are actually there. |
| 21:33.23 | guestish | Bac9: or just install them |
| 21:33.28 | helix | greycat: no.. "Fighting Words: Sartre and Camus" |
| 21:33.49 | guestish | camus: ggv and xpdf are your friends |
| 21:33.50 | helix | guestish: why is it evil? |
| 21:33.53 | chromakode | wow |
| 21:33.55 | helix | xpdf is better |
| 21:33.56 | chromakode | nothing is BORKED? |
| 21:33.57 | mwilson | acroread isn't in unstable any more. |
| 21:34.02 | chromakode | you guys dissapoint me |
| 21:34.03 | ribnitz | guestish: does xpdf do forms yet? |
| 21:34.06 | chromakode | ;) |
| 21:34.17 | greycat | chromakode: you must not have been testing well enough. Go, get to testing!! |
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| 21:34.24 | guestish | helix: it is a weird program imho, i dont like their widgets and it always wants to act up whenever i use it |
| 21:34.26 | Bac9 | Covener: if no fonts are there then where does it get "arial.ttf" from? how does it know it even exists? (I'd prefer not to limit font types on my system, but I can try as a temporary solution) |
| 21:34.27 | camus | xpdf is crappy |
| 21:34.28 | greycat | chromakode: go forth and break! |
| 21:34.31 | guestish | ribnitz: forms? |
| 21:34.31 | helix | bash is kinda borked. maybe that should be added |
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| 21:34.38 | Covener | Bac9: dunno, it's not my hosed system :) |
| 21:34.40 | dac | camus: ang ggv is slow. |
| 21:34.40 | chromakode | greycat: hehehe... >:) |
| 21:34.41 | greycat | helix: in what way? completion? |
| 21:34.43 | camus | xpdf t4endsx to render the fonts a bit rough |
| 21:34.44 | camus | I know |
| 21:34.45 | mwilson | There's nothing wrong with xpdf. |
| 21:34.51 | ribnitz | guestish: there are pdfs only acroread can open properly |
| 21:34.55 | helix | greycat: dunno, the latest upload to unstable is broken or something |
| 21:34.57 | camus | xpdf is not better than acroread :( |
| 21:34.57 | guestish | ribnitz: never seen one of those |
| 21:35.04 | mwilson | I never said it was. |
| 21:35.08 | dac | camus: you can download acroread from adobe. |
| 21:35.12 | helix | greycat: nothing in devel's topic though. must not be that bad |
| 21:35.19 | camus | I've seen it render quite a few pdfs sloppily |
| 21:35.33 | jeanpoldeux | it's so fucking egal, if I can read pdf files it's good. |
| 21:35.37 | Bac9 | guestish: msttcorefonts requres that fonts be downloaded from somewhere else, I'd prefer to stick with what debian has only |
| 21:35.40 | ribnitz | camus: for my part, i usually just print pdfs |
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| 21:36.07 | guestish | Bac9: you are downloading from sourceforge, the home of 2/3s of the opensource products |
| 21:36.09 | scarynetworkguy | "The innocence of sleeping children dressed in white And slowly dreaming stops all time,," |
| 21:36.12 | jbr | re acroread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/10/msg02249.html |
| 21:36.17 | guestish | Bac9: and thats only because of licensing issues probably |
| 21:36.22 | chromakode | greycat: rm -rf / torches my system!! I'll file this as an immediate seirous showstopper bug ;) |
| 21:36.29 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Better, but not by much. :) |
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| 21:36.37 | chromakode | greycat: I am the BBRFH (Bastard Bug Reporter From Hell) |
| 21:36.38 | greycat | chromakode: on the contrary, it does precisely what it's supposed to. |
| 21:36.45 | helix | greycat: #261948 |
| 21:36.52 | helix | though I guess this is not a very big deal for most |
| 21:37.14 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: when I get my domain working remind me to stick some cure oggs on it. :) |
| 21:37.15 | greycat | helix: oh, they uploaded 3.0! |
| 21:37.18 | guestish | my mozilla printing is BORKED |
| 21:37.20 | helix | greycat: yeah |
| 21:37.27 | Bac9 | guestish: true... true... but I am sure there's a way to live without them |
| 21:37.27 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye. |
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| 21:37.33 | c0ringa | aewz |
| 21:37.35 | helix | guestish: it's fixed in the latest unstable version |
| 21:37.40 | ribnitz | chromakode: linux needs users that know what they are doing. |
| 21:37.41 | guestish | Bac9: yes, then again there is also a way to live in a cave |
| 21:37.41 | helix | should be at least; it was for me |
| 21:37.44 | guestish | helix: is it? ok |
| 21:37.50 | chromakode | ribnitz: huh? |
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| 21:38.00 | guestish | helix: what problem did you have w/ it? |
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| 21:38.02 | helix | guestish: you might want to put bash on hold if you use it :) |
| 21:38.07 | guestish | helix: heh, will do |
| 21:38.12 | helix | guestish: when I'd go to print, it would just pop up some kind of void error |
| 21:38.16 | Bac9 | guestish: and some people do |
| 21:38.25 | guestish | helix: oh, for me it would create corrupt ps files |
| 21:38.26 | ribnitz | chromakode: rm -rf will erase (usually without undelete), recursively and without asking. |
| 21:38.32 | guestish | Bac9: im saying you are better off with them, but its your choice |
| 21:38.35 | helix | guestish: ah, I haven't tried to print any ps files |
| 21:38.44 | chromakode | ribnitz: I know that. I was making fun of reporting stupid nonexistant bugs. |
| 21:38.48 | guestish | helix: well the ps file it makes to send to the printer to print is corrupt |
| 21:39.08 | guestish | helix: so the printer doesnt print it right |
| 21:39.11 | helix | printers are something I prefer to remain ignorant about |
| 21:39.18 | ribnitz | chromakode: you tell me, my package has around 50 bugs, half of which are over 2 years old |
| 21:39.18 | guestish | helix: heh |
| 21:39.18 | chromakode | ribnitz: <greycat> chromakode: you must not have been testing well enough. Go, get to testing!! |
| 21:39.19 | helix | they should Just Work |
| 21:39.24 | guestish | helix: sadly enough i cant afford that luxury |
| 21:39.45 | helix | ribnitz: heh. an inherited package, eh? |
| 21:39.47 | guestish | dang it!@ |
| 21:39.49 | scarynetworkguy | printing is a dark and evil art |
| 21:39.50 | ribnitz | guestish: if you want such things, you need a mac. |
| 21:39.52 | guestish | mozilla still isnt working |
| 21:40.01 | thomas_adam | Oh, what a shame. |
| 21:40.01 | guestish | ribnitz: you mean helix right? |
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| 21:40.08 | ribnitz | guestish: yep |
| 21:40.20 | helix | dunno, printing works for me |
| 21:40.20 | guestish | ribnitz: i dont understand you |
| 21:40.29 | chromakode | same here |
| 21:40.31 | chromakode | I guess |
| 21:40.33 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :) |
| 21:40.42 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 21:40.47 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: :)) |
| 21:40.52 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 21:40.56 | helix | wow, #261110 is very descriptive |
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| 21:41.05 | guestish | !dbugs 261110 |
| 21:41.06 | helix | !dbugs 261110 |
| 21:41.07 | chromakode | yeah, it does |
| 21:41.08 | dpkg | #261110:N[bash] bash bug |
| 21:41.19 | helix | heh |
| 21:41.22 | ribnitz | guestish: A printer that does postscript, but those are rare nowadays, esp. in the range where they are still affordable |
| 21:41.27 | helix | how enlightening! "bash bug" |
| 21:41.32 | guestish | ribnitz: i wish, i want one |
| 21:41.41 | chromakode | haha |
| 21:41.49 | ribnitz | guestish: hplj 2100M.. |
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| 21:42.03 | Phated | helix: One considers making a shell called squish... squirrelly user interface shell. |
| 21:42.03 | helix | hm |
| 21:42.12 | ribnitz | guestish: and once you got that you want duplexing. |
| 21:42.17 | chromakode | Phated: :D |
| 21:42.30 | Phated | chromakode: :) |
| 21:42.31 | helix | first he uploads a bunch of gcc 3.4 stuff |
| 21:42.33 | helix | and now bash 3 |
| 21:42.37 | guestish | ribnitz: na, ill pass on the duplexing |
| 21:42.42 | greycat | helix: but they won't be going into sarge, so don't worry about that |
| 21:42.52 | helix | greycat: libgcc1 is going into sarge |
| 21:42.53 | ribnitz | guestish: but color would be nice? |
| 21:42.58 | helix | greycat: and it was built with 3.4 .. so |
| 21:43.10 | greycat | helix: well, bash 3 isn't -- 261948 said so. |
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| 21:43.13 | helix | it has to go in before a *bunch* of other packages do |
| 21:43.23 | ribnitz | helix: help, they are pushing gcc 3.4 into sarge? |
| 21:43.24 | helix | greycat: yeah, I know, but his timing is really wonderful :) |
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| 21:43.28 | helix | ribnitz: no no |
| 21:43.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: SCO has the patent on that. |
| 21:43.43 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: They -do-? Oh, yeah. :) |
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| 21:43.44 | greycat | helix: maybe he figured, "OK, the base system is frozen, so now I can upload the new bash and it'll stay in sid" |
| 21:43.50 | helix | ribnitz: but libgcc1 was built with 3.4 so the packages that Depend on it that were recently uploaded have to wait for it to go in before they can |
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| 21:43.59 | guestish | ribnitz: i dont print color often |
| 21:44.02 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yea yea they do |
| 21:44.06 | greycat | helix: that's probably how I would've thought it out, anyway |
| 21:44.08 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: OMFG It just finished installing, and the it went to the login, and kept going to a black screen, 3 times, then fucken rebooted.. |
| 21:44.09 | helix | greycat: well.. he uploaded it before the freeze ;) but I'm sure that's what he thought |
| 21:44.16 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. :) squish bug though... :) |
| 21:44.29 | ribnitz | guestish: 52k pages, over about 4 years |
| 21:44.42 | guestish | ribnitz: what |
| 21:44.43 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 21:44.44 | ribnitz | guestish: all black and white |
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| 21:44.53 | guestish | ribnitz: whatever |
| 21:44.54 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: It would almost be worth it |
| 21:45.03 | celery | bleh |
| 21:45.07 | celery | still cant get all my ram to be detected :< |
| 21:45.09 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Almost, eh? ;) |
| 21:45.13 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Shortee why his computer sucks |
| 21:45.19 | Shortee | lol |
| 21:45.44 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: Linux should be able to run on a 486 w/ 128MB of ram. I'm on a 1.6 celeron, w/ 256MB of ram... |
| 21:45.49 | ribnitz | celery: how much ram? |
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| 21:46.13 | celery | ive got 256 in it, it seems to think i have 119, sometimes less :/ |
| 21:46.17 | celery | changes on the fly :/ |
| 21:46.21 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: damn close :) |
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| 21:46.35 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Meh, good enough. :) |
| 21:46.44 | ribnitz | celery: same type of chips? |
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| 21:47.15 | thomas_adam | Shortee: Yes, and that HW is fux0rd. |
| 21:47.15 | celery | erm, ones pc133, ones pc100, both sdram 128 chips |
| 21:47.23 | celery | .:arsen @ Celery:. [ ram :: 46/110M (41.8 %) ] |
| 21:47.30 | dampjam | I just got a sun workstation with no cds and no OS so I want to load debian on it, aret ehre any net installs for that platform or do I have to download the 6 cd set |
| 21:47.31 | celery | thinks ive got 110 now ;x |
| 21:47.40 | ribnitz | celery: on a pc100 board? |
| 21:47.42 | Shortee | thomas_adam: Is it specific hardware, or all of it |
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| 21:47.50 | thomas_adam | dampjam: cdeboostrap |
| 21:47.51 | Phated | dampjam: One ISO, netinst. Or six floppies. |
| 21:47.59 | celery | erm |
| 21:48.02 | thomas_adam | Shortee: HSIK? |
| 21:48.02 | celery | not sure one sec.. |
| 21:48.06 | celery | its a shuttle sv24 |
| 21:48.09 | celery | old one ;x |
| 21:48.15 | celery | well.. 4-5 years or so |
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| 21:48.25 | scarynetworkguy | Shortee: send it to me I'll put Debian on it... |
| 21:48.26 | Shortee | thomas_adam: HSIK..? |
| 21:48.29 | Phated | !tell dampjam about netinst |
| 21:48.32 | thomas_adam | dpkg, tell celery about enter |
| 21:48.33 | Shortee | scarynetworkguy: lol |
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| 21:48.46 | thomas_adam | dampjam: You'd do it well with cdebootstrap. |
| 21:49.11 | dampjam | I just found an iso for the testing distro for a net install, should that work? |
| 21:49.29 | thomas_adam | dampjam: That's broken. |
| 21:49.39 | Phated | dampjam: Go with stable, probably safe. |
| 21:49.54 | dampjam | when did it break / what is the current bug status? |
| 21:49.55 | thomas_adam | Phated: Not for a netinst iso... |
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| 21:50.03 | Phated | thomas_adam: Eh, true. |
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| 21:50.26 | relex | hello, is there any particular reason why aopache 2.0.50 would deny a user (localhost) access to index.php? error_log shows that the user is forbidden to access the file, httpd.conf shows nothing too weird and no .htaccess exists. |
| 21:50.29 | mejo | is there any tool for configuring expire age etc of shadow passwords? |
| 21:50.39 | thomas_adam | mejo: /etc/login.defs |
| 21:50.42 | Shortee | thomas_adam: whats HSIK? |
| 21:50.43 | dampjam | so is hte sarge-sparc-netinst.iso on http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ broken? |
| 21:50.46 | deadcat | mejo: usermod |
| 21:50.49 | thomas_adam | Shortee: How Should I Know? |
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| 21:51.01 | thomas_adam | dampjam: Rumour has it. |
| 21:51.16 | celery | sigh |
| 21:51.18 | dampjam | rumour or are you sure it will not work for me |
| 21:51.20 | Shortee | thomas_adam: You said "HSIK?" to me |
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| 21:51.38 | Penix | heh |
| 21:51.39 | thomas_adam | Shortee: hahahaha. |
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| 21:51.42 | relex | hahah |
| 21:51.42 | Penix | !cluebat Shortee |
| 21:51.49 | scarynetworkguy | humor is just wasted on some folk |
| 21:51.59 | relex | hm, bash.org? :) |
| 21:52.05 | dampjam | so will of the following nightly snapshots work: 20040730, 20040731 20040801? |
| 21:52.07 | Phated | relex: Hell yeah. :) |
| 21:52.07 | thomas_adam | It might make a qotd |
| 21:52.12 | relex | hehee |
| 21:52.22 | Shortee | !moron Penix |
| 21:52.23 | dpkg | Penix: You are moron #88 |
| 21:52.32 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: We've known that for quite some time now, eh? :) |
| 21:52.43 | mejo | deadcat: usermod= |
| 21:52.52 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yup but every once in a while it bears repeating |
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| 21:52.56 | relex | http://bash.org/?381593 <-- watch that :) |
| 21:52.59 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye, aye. :) |
| 21:53.22 | mejo | thomas_adam: i've set in /etc/login.defs: PASS_MAX_DAYS 99999, but shadow file still has this number in fields of all system users. |
| 21:53.26 | deadcat | mejo: ? |
| 21:53.34 | mejo | deadcat: what is usermod? |
| 21:53.36 | Phated | relex: Heh, you think you're the first on this chanel to have bashéd? :) |
| 21:53.41 | deadcat | mejo: fucking command. "man usermod" |
| 21:53.49 | relex | phaethon, yes, im cool |
| 21:53.51 | relex | >:) |
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| 21:53.56 | thomas_adam | mejo: Oh, i see. Umm, there's a utility for that... |
| 21:54.01 | mejo | thomas_adam: shouldn't it decrease? |
| 21:54.06 | Phated | relex: Right, but apparently you nick complete's borked... :) |
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| 21:54.16 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *gasp* You -haven't-! |
| 21:54.18 | relex | heh |
| 21:54.24 | relex | damn |
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| 21:54.24 | relex | it is |
| 21:54.25 | relex | :| |
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| 21:54.43 | celery | just an observation, with three people talking, is the excessive nick completing necessary |
| 21:54.47 | Phated | !laugh at relex's tab-complete. |
| 21:54.48 | dpkg | HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! relex's tab-complete. just cracks me up! |
| 21:54.56 | relex | :| |
| 21:55.01 | relex | !sgsmite Phated |
| 21:55.12 | Phated | celery: You try typing out scarynetworkguy in full, without nick complete, OK? |
| 21:55.16 | Phated | relex: :) |
| 21:55.35 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: nope. :) the whole geezer thing |
| 21:55.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
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| 21:56.28 | celery | wasnt his nick supprisingly :p |
| 21:56.56 | mejo | deadcat: so is there a way to configure adduser to set default values? |
| 21:57.00 | Phated | You know, 31st July has come and gone in many, many timezones.... |
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| 21:57.09 | mejo | that's login.defs, i think |
| 21:57.11 | Phated | But oh well. :) |
| 21:57.51 | relex | hm, dopes anyone know why apache would deny access to index.php from localhost? |
| 21:57.54 | scarynetworkguy | think of that more as the suggested frezze date :) |
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| 21:58.06 | relex | i get this in error_log: [Sun Aug 01 17:57:31 2004] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: access to /index.php denied |
| 21:58.27 | jeanpoldeux | relex: we don't take dope here. |
| 21:58.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Though apparently, 'tis already frozen, according to /topic. :) |
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| 21:58.53 | relex | jeanpoldeux, ? |
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| 21:59.13 | jeanpoldeux | hm, _dopes_ anyone know why apache would deny access to index.php from localhost? |
| 21:59.14 | Phated | relex: "dopes anyone know" <<- :) |
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| 21:59.27 | thomas_adam | jeanpoldeux: Yes. |
| 21:59.31 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: wow very cool They usually have to try at least a few times. :) |
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| 21:59.45 | relex | ah |
| 21:59.46 | relex | d'oh |
| 21:59.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Heh. But nothing on d.o... :| |
| 21:59.50 | dabreegster | Hey. |
| 22:00.12 | thomas_adam | dabreegster: Oh good. The #debian jester. Amuse us. |
| 22:00.19 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: d.o.? |
| 22:00.23 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: debian.org |
| 22:00.34 | Phated | The obvious choice in that context. |
| 22:00.43 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: ahh yes that would make sense. |
| 22:00.56 | relex | how weird.... still the same thing.. |
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| 22:01.05 | thomas_adam | relex: ls -l /index.php |
| 22:01.15 | relex | ls -l infinity005 |
| 22:01.18 | relex | doh |
| 22:01.21 | relex | wrong window =X |
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| 22:01.33 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: It's my first, I'm still all excited and shit. :) |
| 22:01.35 | *** part/#debian kcd_ (~kcd@ARennes-306-1-7-135.w81-250.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:01.45 | relex | thomas_adam, index.php == 777 owned by me |
| 22:02.00 | greycat | relex: what kind of an idiot sets files to 777? |
| 22:02.13 | relex | greycat, its a system that is closed off to the world |
| 22:02.18 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: very cool. :) |
| 22:02.20 | greycat | that's not the point. |
| 22:02.24 | relex | greycat, no access to port 80 from outside, and i am the only user. |
| 22:02.26 | scarynetworkguy | relex: that is *not* an excuse |
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| 22:02.47 | greycat | "I'll just leave these rusty nails sticking out of my kitchen floor. After all, nobody ever goes into the kitchen but me." |
| 22:02.57 | relex | hah. |
| 22:03.28 | BrknSoul | lol |
| 22:03.30 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: you go to timeout. :) |
| 22:03.34 | relex | not all of my files are 77, everything else has normal persmissions.. i really dont give a crap about dev files in /www |
| 22:03.35 | jeanpoldeux | thomas_adam: eh :) |
| 22:03.49 | rdancer | thomas_adam: you forget setuid & sgid for binaries ;) |
| 22:03.51 | thomas_adam | Hey 777 is one up from the devil. |
| 22:03.56 | *** part/#debian Shortee (Shortee@c-24-10-61-183.client.comcast.net) |
| 22:03.56 | relex | heh |
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| 22:04.25 | kcd | hiya |
| 22:04.25 | jeanpoldeux | no thomas_adam |
| 22:04.29 | jeanpoldeux | !777 |
| 22:04.29 | dpkg | [777] god (me, you and everything else) power over everything, or in unix it's presented in -rwxrwxrwx (full read/write/exec perms for everyone) |
| 22:04.35 | relex | so, does anyone know why apache could be doing this? |
| 22:04.35 | thomas_adam | relex: Put a sign outside your house: "Burgal me, I won't notice, since." |
| 22:04.39 | celery | scarynetworkguy, its a 133mobo |
| 22:04.50 | scarynetworkguy | jeanpoldeux: plese msg the bot |
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| 22:04.54 | SpinX | [wewt] I'm here.. |
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| 22:04.59 | kcd | do you where i can find codes of all contructor of network cards ? |
| 22:05.05 | SpinX | I did a minimal install. and I want X server, and all.. apt-get install ??? |
| 22:05.14 | celery | x-window-system |
| 22:05.15 | relex | x-window-system |
| 22:05.17 | relex | damn |
| 22:05.19 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Phated 3 hours :) |
| 22:05.20 | jeanpoldeux | scarynetworkguy: are _you_ god ? |
| 22:05.21 | celery | :> |
| 22:05.29 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: I'll be here when you leave,. |
| 22:05.33 | rdancer | kcd: FCC or MAC? |
| 22:05.37 | thomas_adam | I'm still writing my Fvwm article. |
| 22:05.41 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: outstanding :) |
| 22:05.41 | kcd | rdancer: MAC |
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| 22:06.20 | rdancer | kcd: there's something in kismet, lemme look.. |
| 22:06.21 | kcd | rdancer: i didn't find this with google ...;) |
| 22:06.23 | scarynetworkguy | jeanpoldeux: no but I do talk to him and I'm damn close to bitching about it |
| 22:06.41 | jeanpoldeux | scarynetworkguy: eh, mystic. |
| 22:06.51 | thomas_adam | k-god is god (of KDE, if his nick is to be believed) |
| 22:07.08 | jeanpoldeux | I thought dondelelcaro is god... |
| 22:07.13 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: I was thinking of the Kzinti :) |
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| 22:07.18 | blueflower | hi |
| 22:07.20 | thomas_adam | ha. |
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| 22:07.35 | Phated | ho. |
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| 22:07.53 | blueflower | somewhere i read that there i a mirror, which offer unofficial 686 packet. does anyone know that mirros name? |
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| 22:08.07 | thomas_adam | blueflower: For/of what? |
| 22:08.17 | thomas_adam | blueflower: Unofficial things are not supported here. |
| 22:08.18 | relex | okay... is it normal to have 5 copies of httpd running? |
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| 22:08.23 | thomas_adam | relex: Yes. |
| 22:08.28 | mwilson | relex: At least. |
| 22:08.35 | kcd | rdancer: cheers :) |
| 22:08.39 | scarynetworkguy | :) |
| 22:08.49 | blueflower | thomas_adam, i just want to know this mirrors name :) |
| 22:08.58 | relex | hm, well, htdocs is owned by nobody and so are all the files in it.. i think its a conf problem |
| 22:09.01 | thomas_adam | blueflower: How the hell can I determine it from that? |
| 22:09.03 | blueflower | a apt source mirror |
| 22:09.32 | thomas_adam | blueflower: Complete this sentence: "Goldmines are also called klondykes, the rush was so compelling that the landowners ________ " |
| 22:09.34 | rdancer | kcd: may I ask you what the query was? |
| 22:09.49 | thomas_adam | blueflower: Ah, apt source mirror.... |
| 22:10.01 | jeanpoldeux | relex: /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
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| 22:10.30 | kcd | rdancer: i want to know what constructor did a network card |
| 22:10.40 | blueflower | yes a apt mirror thomas_adam |
| 22:10.42 | relex | jeanpoldeux, i checked it... nothing out of the ordinary |
| 22:10.46 | rdancer | kcd: may I ask you what the query was? |
| 22:10.51 | scarynetworkguy | kcd: bob |
| 22:10.52 | blueflower | someone know how to solve this problem? http://nopaste.php-q.net/75410 |
| 22:11.00 | scarynetworkguy | Bob the Builder |
| 22:11.07 | kcd | rdancer: MAC adreses ? |
| 22:11.08 | rdancer | kcd: google query that failed |
| 22:11.14 | scarynetworkguy | i crack me up |
| 22:11.21 | kcd | rdancer: adresses MAC |
| 22:11.27 | kcd | rdancer: i'm french |
| 22:11.35 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Bob the Builder? :| |
| 22:11.37 | blueflower | i installed apt and dpkg on my linuxfromscratch |
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| 22:11.43 | kcd | Did you find ? |
| 22:11.47 | kcd | rdancer: |
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| 22:12.27 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: preschool cartoon. He asked "what constructor did a network card" :) very bad joke on many diffrent levels |
| 22:12.57 | SpinX | hmm |
| 22:13.10 | SpinX | I run X -configure, screens black.. and I cna't do anything |
| 22:13.16 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hey, I know what it is, but still. :| |
| 22:13.28 | rdancer | kcd: go really google, and don't lie here. MAC numbers list will give you better results, fwiw |
| 22:13.45 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: never can be sure and yes you are right it was *awful* |
| 22:13.50 | kcd | rdancer: right thanks |
| 22:14.01 | thomas_adam | dpkg, test |
| 22:14.01 | dpkg | No, thomas_adam, you're not online any more. |
| 22:14.04 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yes, precisely. |
| 22:14.09 | celery | bleh, i tried adding mem=256M but it didnt like that |
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| 22:14.30 | jeanpoldeux | celery: you said that about ten times today. |
| 22:14.34 | celery | once :x |
| 22:14.43 | celery | nice that you noticed though :) |
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| 22:15.19 | jeanpoldeux | celery: what didn't like what ? |
| 22:15.21 | SpinX | ugh, everytime i run xf86config, or anything.. all i see is a black screen |
| 22:15.57 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: thanks |
| 22:16.10 | jeanpoldeux | SpinX: please be precise. error message, log, anything else than black screen. |
| 22:16.16 | celery | well i did a google, it seems on older kernels theres been known issues iwth it not detecting both chips on systems, but this is like 2.2 kernels, i added mem=256 to grub.conf & edited the config thing at boot time |
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| 22:16.24 | SpinX | eh, i got in |
| 22:16.26 | SpinX | mouse aint workin.. |
| 22:16.43 | jeanpoldeux | !tell SpinX about doesn't work |
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| 22:17.07 | scarynetworkguy | celery: have you ran memtest86? |
| 22:17.18 | celery | cant say i have actually, ill give it a go |
| 22:17.28 | celery | im sure theres nothing wrong with the chips though, worked fine in previous systems |
| 22:17.32 | tarzeau | bob2, helix bom dia. it was nice at the lake... i swam twice |
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| 22:18.11 | SpinX | What package do I need to install for my mouse to work?(moused)? |
| 22:18.49 | jeanpoldeux | SpinX: nope. dpkg-reconfigure xfree86 |
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| 22:18.54 | scarynetworkguy | SpinX: what kind of a mouse is it? |
| 22:19.05 | SpinX | scarynetworkguy; logitcal wheel optical |
| 22:19.14 | scarynetworkguy | SpinX: usb or ps2? |
| 22:19.16 | SpinX | ps2 |
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| 22:19.32 | scarynetworkguy | SpinX: what does cat /dev/psaux do? |
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| 22:19.46 | SpinX | show weird letters |
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| 22:20.01 | SpinX | yy(yyyyy).. er something |
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| 22:20.24 | celery | can anyone recommend a cd burning app, that isnt k3b?:) just to burn iso's nice n simple :> |
| 22:20.33 | thomas_adam | tarzeau: Weather good where you are? |
| 22:20.33 | SpinX | cdrecord |
| 22:20.37 | jeanpoldeux | celery: cdw in sid |
| 22:20.48 | scarynetworkguy | SpinX: Ok that tells us that the mouse is working. This is a good thing. what do you have in /etc/X11/XF86config-4 in the input section for the mouse |
| 22:20.57 | SpinX | sec |
| 22:21.04 | tarzeau | thomas_adam: beautiful, it's 00:20 am now. we were at the lake since 3 pm, switzerland |
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| 22:21.32 | SpinX | it's default config, it has /dev/psaux as the device, and PS/2.. |
| 22:21.36 | jeanpoldeux | tarzeau: geneve ? |
| 22:21.42 | thomas_adam | tarzeau: Woooh. It's 23:21 here, and has been a warm and sunny day. (~28C) |
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| 22:21.57 | scarynetworkguy | SpinX: so what ain't working? |
| 22:22.06 | SpinX | not sure |
| 22:22.13 | SpinX | doesn't moused have to be running? |
| 22:22.14 | tarzeau | jeanpoldeux: nan, kt. aargau at the hallwylersee |
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| 22:22.21 | scarynetworkguy | SpinX: then who in the hell does know? |
| 22:22.30 | deadcat | jeanpoldeux: gcdw is ncurse. but the desc says "graphical" (= |
| 22:22.37 | tarzeau | thomas_adam: we've had some fire and grilled stuff, and we've had some nice chicks too |
| 22:22.50 | Boreas | so, if i have a router, with two interfaces that i want to both be on the same network, do i need to set up bridging, or is there another way i can do things? |
| 22:23.02 | thomas_adam | tarzeau: :) |
| 22:23.06 | scarynetworkguy | SpinX: what is your real goal? |
| 22:23.08 | Boreas | from reading documentation, it seems briding is depreciated (though i didn't see why) |
| 22:23.14 | SpinX | to die in my life |
| 22:23.40 | scarynetworkguy | Boreas: that is insane |
| 22:23.42 | _etc | while executing "make modules_install" I get an error "unresolved symbol in ***.ko is there anything missing to do it properly? |
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| 22:24.14 | scarynetworkguy | SpinX: you're mouse is working. Is X not starting are you not able to use from the console what the hell do you want the poor thing to do? |
| 22:24.21 | thomas_adam | _etc: instal module-init-tools |
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| 22:24.25 | tjousk | It won't really surprise me if no-one can help me with this but... I have a rather broken laptop (Was given to me after it had been thrown against a wall) managed to get x running (On a rage Mobility) but the only display device I can get working is the s-video out. All I can get is monochrome... any ideas? |
| 22:24.27 | jeanpoldeux | celery: there are a lot. try them.... I used a little bit gtoaster, I think the only one that accepts 800x600. In 1024x768, xcdroast is ok. |
| 22:24.38 | relex | hm, ok, i think i figured it out.. but i dont know why its happening |
| 22:24.40 | thomas_adam | _etc: But other than that, unless it is something you need, you'll be pk. |
| 22:24.43 | lklm | how can i start a process from script and know it's pid ? |
| 22:24.46 | relex | every time i try to get a page apache segfaults |
| 22:24.46 | Boreas | scarynetworkguy, what? insane how? |
| 22:24.47 | Chameleon22 | can anyone recommend a simular distro to ipcop/smoothwall? |
| 22:25.04 | celery | smoothwall is lovely :x |
| 22:25.08 | scarynetworkguy | Boreas: a router with two interfaces on the same network. |
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| 22:25.15 | _etc | thomas_adam:thanks. yes those are the set of modules compiled along with the kernel, I guess I'll need them |
| 22:25.16 | lklm | without using ps and the process isn't a daemon |
| 22:25.17 | Boreas | scarynetworkguy, why is that insane? |
| 22:25.30 | thomas_adam | _etc: install module-init-tools |
| 22:25.32 | scarynetworkguy | Boreas: if you gotta ask.... |
| 22:25.40 | optic | tjousk: is the lcd panel broke? |
| 22:25.42 | scarynetworkguy | Boreas: what is a routers purpose in life? |
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| 22:25.44 | ribnitz | Boreas: whats the idea of a router? |
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| 22:25.57 | scarynetworkguy | besides giving me something to play with at work. :) |
| 22:26.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 636] by debhelper |
| 22:26.10 | _etc | thanks |
| 22:26.13 | *** part/#debian _etc (maxim5@l192-117-98-234.tcable.actcom.net.il) |
| 22:26.21 | jeanpoldeux | ribnitz: exactly what its name suggests ? |
| 22:26.22 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: And that's all the purpose an item needs, damnit! :) |
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| 22:26.23 | nksen | lklm, well. use backticks and 'pidof app' |
| 22:26.23 | Boreas | scarynetworkguy, deliver packets from one network to another? |
| 22:26.23 | [unix] | can anyone help me find the file that initializes all the scripts in the /etc/init.d folder? |
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| 22:26.37 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: well that should be enough for them true :) |
| 22:26.44 | nksen | [unix], prolly init? :/ |
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| 22:26.55 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: -Exactly-. :) |
| 22:26.56 | scarynetworkguy | Boreas: right. So why in the hell would it need two interfaces on one network? |
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| 22:27.06 | ribnitz | [unix]: install file-rc |
| 22:27.23 | Wind2 | can anybody tell me, how to exclude a specific subdir from tar-packing, if recursive switched on ? |
| 22:27.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: but when the boss spends us $10,000 on one he wants it to just maybe do a bit more. :) |
| 22:27.55 | Boreas | alright, so redirect me here. I've got a central firewall/routing machine that everything from the internet travels through. I need three physical connections from that machine to my internal network, but i want everyone on the same network. |
| 22:27.56 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: crazy talk I know but true. :) |
| 22:28.01 | lklm | and what if there is a lot of processes with the same name ? |
| 22:28.01 | Boreas | my only option is a switch? |
| 22:28.03 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 22:28.13 | Boreas | i suppose a switch's behavior is what i want to simulate here |
| 22:28.16 | tjousk | scarynetworkguy: There are times when two subnets co-exist on the one network... |
| 22:28.20 | ribnitz | scarynetworkguy: snmp so you see what its doing, btw: what router costs usd 10k? |
| 22:28.22 | Boreas | but i'd rather keep everything in the box |
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| 22:28.44 | Fran_Mnt | Hiz |
| 22:28.49 | scarynetworkguy | tjousk: the physical layer does not matter in that case and this is not what he is talking about |
| 22:28.58 | tjousk | Indeed |
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| 22:29.08 | ribnitz | Boreas: no you could also use a hub.. |
| 22:29.09 | scarynetworkguy | Boreas: they have a device just for that they call it a "switch" and/or a "hub" :) |
| 22:29.13 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Anyways, I'm off to school now. I have dibs, remember. :) When I get back from school, that is. :) |
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| 22:29.28 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: have fun yea we'll talk them |
| 22:29.31 | Boreas | great. |
| 22:29.35 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Awesome. :) See ya. |
| 22:29.42 | thomas_adam | Phated: Gossip. :P |
| 22:29.43 | scarynetworkguy | ribnitz: big Cisco iron :) |
| 22:29.49 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: tata |
| 22:29.56 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: oh there will be plenty of that |
| 22:29.57 | Phated | thomas_adam: Aye, and proud of it. |
| 22:30.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Toodles. |
| 22:30.10 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 22:30.12 | Phated | thomas_adam: Though very good at not passing it on. :) |
| 22:30.15 | Boreas | ribnitz, any reason to use a hub over switch? I see switch over hub, but am not aware of advantages the other way |
| 22:30.17 | ribnitz | scarynetworkguy: so oyu pay for it being labeled 'Cisco', or whats the reason behind? |
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| 22:30.42 | scarynetworkguy | ribnitz: as small as yours is it does not matter |
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| 22:30.58 | kelon | Hello, is there any special issue about install woody on pc with 1gb ram? After install, is only recognizes 875MB |
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| 22:31.16 | ribnitz | Boreas: switch is a level higher, and most switches don't propagate all the traffic, but handle it more intelligently. |
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| 22:31.24 | tjousk | optic: Yeah, and the vga-out is broken too, haven't yet taken it apart to see why |
| 22:31.24 | scarynetworkguy | ribnitz: I don't get the choice of what we buy I just get to implent. If it was me we'd be going with vanguard |
| 22:31.30 | lklm | kelon: recompile kernel |
| 22:31.40 | kelon | I put in lilo `append="mem=1024M"' and nothing happens |
| 22:31.54 | jeanpoldeux | Boreas: a hub is definitely cheap, and enough for your network. |
| 22:31.59 | scarynetworkguy | ribnitz: but yea it goes on the general theory that nobody ever got fired for buying Cisco. Sad really but what are you gonna do? |
| 22:32.02 | lklm | you have to enable high memory |
| 22:32.03 | thomas_adam | kelon: re-run: lilo ? |
| 22:32.13 | kelon | lklm, hello. This is the problem, because I can't unpack any package |
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| 22:32.33 | scarynetworkguy | ribnitz: that other thing was for Boreas |
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| 22:32.39 | optic | tjousk: it could be the onboard graphics chip, or the sub-card, the inverter, or the lcd panel itself, or some combination. |
| 22:32.42 | lklm | why not ? |
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| 22:32.43 | ribnitz | scarynetworkguy: I wondered what trhis router for 10k can do that an avg. router can't? |
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| 22:32.48 | kelon | thomas_adam, I did. |
| 22:32.52 | outlier | For some reason my negear router won't route *.debian.org. I can ping it if I use a numerical IP, and if I specify an up-stream DNS server, I can get to it OK. Any ideas what's going on here? |
| 22:33.00 | celery | whats that popular tool for compressed files ? |
| 22:33.01 | kelon | I get "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc lenght error" for every package I try to unpack |
| 22:33.04 | jcarr | XBill is mad fun!!! |
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| 22:33.09 | jcarr | best game in the world! |
| 22:33.10 | scarynetworkguy | Boreas: really as small as yours is it should not matter. I would go with whatever is cheapest were I you. |
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| 22:33.13 | kelon | including apt-get'ed, thomas_adam lklm |
| 22:33.20 | jcarr | they need to make an XBOX port! |
| 22:33.22 | lklm | using f option ? |
| 22:33.27 | kelon | I installed with bf24 kernel |
| 22:33.33 | outlier | er.. Netgear - typo. |
| 22:33.37 | kelon | lklm, yes. |
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| 22:33.41 | ribnitz | Boreas: take the cheapest switch you can get. |
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| 22:33.49 | kelon | thomas_adam, I'm sorry :) |
| 22:33.51 | jrr | anybody have a few months of log from here? |
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| 22:33.57 | Boreas | so just to clear this up, if i have to have to connect two other machines to my box, i have to use a switch/hub or put them on different networks? |
| 22:34.01 | Boreas | yeah, i have switches and hubs |
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| 22:34.05 | kelon | celery, bzip2 is cvery good |
| 22:34.10 | tjousk | optic: The LCD panel was smashed, so I disconnected it. (which vastly improved the battery life) |
| 22:34.14 | scarynetworkguy | ribnitz: it has hella big numbers. :) Other than that it's just a big iron IP router. I agree with you people buy Cisco just cause it's Cisco. Hey keeps me employed so I'm not bitching too much. :) |
| 22:34.26 | tjousk | svideo was the only thing working before that though |
| 22:34.34 | _etc | thomas_adam:what was the package name you mentioned? something like module-init-tools? |
| 22:34.40 | Boreas | i just want everything inside the box |
| 22:34.59 | Boreas | i'm a little confused as to why bridging won't work, so i'm reading about it now... |
| 22:35.17 | ribnitz | Boreas: you go out and buy a 4 port, or 8 port switch (mine's: Netgear, with a printserver I don't use), and forget about it. |
| 22:35.54 | scarynetworkguy | Boreas: bad idea you stick those two interfaces on the same subnet and the poort box is going to get confused. You are going to see odd and transient errors. Think about it how would it know what interface to route packets out of? |
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| 22:36.07 | ribnitz | Boreas: and when you get an internet access router (yes, here we route) you also connewct it to that switch. |
| 22:36.11 | kelon | lklm, does bf24 supports 1gb ram by default? where can I get this information? |
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| 22:37.09 | ribnitz | Boreas: so: box1 - switch, box2 - switch,... router - switch. |
| 22:37.13 | hacim | i just installed kernel-image-2.6.7 and went through the nvidia kernel-source procedure detailed in the README.Debian, this was working with 2.4, but now X doesn't start (I re-ran /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx) |
| 22:37.39 | Boreas | ack. Seems like this should be very do-able. |
| 22:37.44 | ribnitz | Boreas: all the boxes connected to the switch get the same network (internally..) |
| 22:37.48 | tarzeau | thomas_adam: my arms hurt now though, two times swimming was not good ... ouf that really hurts |
| 22:37.50 | soth` | anyone know what "cannot determine file extension of:" means when starting idesk? |
| 22:37.54 | Boreas | ribnitz, yes, i know how a switch works |
| 22:38.00 | Boreas | i have switches, hubs, etc. |
| 22:38.06 | Boreas | i just don't want to use them in this instance |
| 22:38.07 | petemc | kelon: CONFIG_NOHIGHMEM=y , thats from the bf2.4 config |
| 22:38.19 | jeanpoldeux | kelon: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/03/msg15379.html |
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| 22:38.36 | ribnitz | Boreas: 1 switch (or hub, as traffic isn't that much), 1 router |
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| 22:38.40 | pingouin | HiO, i've just installed wooddy, and i saw that the sarge is ?freeze? what is the right to add in source.list : sarge or testing (now it's freeze, it's still the same ? ) ? |
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| 22:39.04 | ribnitz | pingouin: yep, add sarge |
| 22:39.05 | pingouin | if i want to dist-upgrade |
| 22:39.12 | The_Vulture | pingouin: sarge will always be called sarge, even when it becomes stable |
| 22:39.13 | pingouin | ok |
| 22:39.41 | pingouin | i was not sure about that..so i move my testing in sarge |
| 22:39.41 | kelon | petemc, so I think I've bought a damaged memory. Thank you |
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| 22:39.45 | kelon | jeanpoldeux, I'll see |
| 22:39.45 | pingouin | but maybe it's too late ? |
| 22:39.49 | lklm | you can check web site for configuration |
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| 22:39.55 | The_Vulture | pingouin: too late for what? |
| 22:40.02 | hacim | i just installed kernel-image-2.6.7 and went through the nvidia kernel-source procedure detailed in the README.Debian, this was working with 2.4, but now X doesn't start (I re-ran /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx)... X error is: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! |
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| 22:40.03 | ribnitz | pingouin: its never too late. |
| 22:40.20 | pingouin | The_Vulture, i've already set up with testing in source.list and dist-upgrade |
| 22:40.32 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: brb. |
| 22:40.35 | _etc | module-init-tools-3.1.-pre5 - is it the latest stable? |
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| 22:40.42 | kelon | jeanpoldeux, I've only 1gb with nvida video card. I'm not using X too. |
| 22:40.43 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: :) |
| 22:40.51 | pingouin | so...i'm in...sarge ? freeze or in the already next...?testing? ? |
| 22:40.52 | petemc | kelon: no, you need to configure highmem to be able see the rest of your ram |
| 22:40.53 | The_Vulture | pingouin: sarge has frozen, it's still testing |
| 22:40.57 | pingouin | ok thx |
| 22:41.01 | pingouin | The_Vulture, thx |
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| 22:41.22 | ribnitz | pingouin: you have sarge as of today, meaning some packages are frozen. |
| 22:41.27 | hacim | if I try to modprobe nvidia, I get the following: FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.7-1-k7/nvidia/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format |
| 22:41.28 | The_Vulture | it's a feature freeze, there's a period of bug fixing only, then a release |
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| 22:41.47 | The_Vulture | as I understand it anyway |
| 22:42.08 | kelon | petemc, the problems is that I can't uncompress the kernel |
| 22:42.31 | kelon | petemc, I get this error: "gzip: stdin: invalid compressed data--crc length error" |
| 22:42.56 | jeanpoldeux | kelon: did you *read* ? apt-get install kernel-image-blah and your problem is solved. |
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| 22:43.44 | ribnitz | pingouin: no matter what happens, sarge stays sarge. |
| 22:43.59 | pingouin | ok |
| 22:43.59 | kelon | jeanpoldeux, I get this error while uncompress the deb packages too. |
| 22:44.18 | Jambhala | bye bye |
| 22:44.24 | pingouin | but i was ?testing? in my source.list...so better to change it in sarge |
| 22:44.30 | pingouin | no ? |
| 22:44.37 | pingouin | if i want to run sarge sure |
| 22:44.43 | The_Vulture | pingouin: yes, that would be a good idea |
| 22:44.44 | ribnitz | pingouin: the only thing that happened today was that the influx of some packages from unstable/sid was interrupted. |
| 22:44.51 | jeanpoldeux | kelon: try to apt-get --reinstall install gzip |
| 22:44.58 | petemc | kelon: why were you asking about your ram when thats not the real problem? |
| 22:45.03 | kelon | jeanpoldeux, I've tryied too. |
| 22:45.18 | kelon | petemc, this one of the problems ;) |
| 22:45.33 | jeanpoldeux | yes I'm stupid, if it cannot uncompress.... |
| 22:45.41 | kelon | I was trying to resolve the gzip problem by myself |
| 22:46.02 | kelon | jeanpoldeux, you aren't stupid, I'm. |
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| 22:46.22 | ribnitz | pingouin: when it releases, sarge will still be sarge. Users don't need to worry about it. |
| 22:46.27 | jeanpoldeux | kelon: did you dpkg-reconfigure gzip ? |
| 22:46.39 | kelon | I'm really impressed. The same cd pack I installed on outher pc and works fine |
| 22:46.40 | pingouin | ok ribnitz thx |
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| 22:46.48 | kelon | jeanpoldeux, no, I didn't. |
| 22:46.52 | ribnitz | pingouin: change testing -> sarge, that way you are on the safe side |
| 22:46.54 | GIMMULF | anyone has tried running poker clients thru win emulator? |
| 22:47.00 | Wind2 | how can I exclude a specific directory from tar ? |
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| 22:47.23 | ribnitz | Wind2: rad the man and info pages? |
| 22:47.25 | petemc | GIMMULF: pokerroom.com works fine with the java web client |
| 22:47.30 | S4turn | qq sait faire les cables réseaux? si oui -> pv ou highlight ... |
| 22:47.37 | jeanpoldeux | GIMMULF: it's litterally in man tar |
| 22:47.38 | GIMMULF | yes know that but i need a prima site to work |
| 22:47.38 | kelon | jeanpoldeux, but... what to reconfigure? :) |
| 22:47.47 | jeanpoldeux | oh GIMMULF sorry |
| 22:47.49 | Wind2 | --exclude wont work ribnitz, dont know why |
| 22:47.51 | kinaole | hello... anyone here using USB for audio output? |
| 22:47.57 | jeanpoldeux | Wind2: it's litterally in man tar |
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| 22:48.07 | GIMMULF | becauce im on my way changing from windows to debian :) finally! so i need to know if that client is working |
| 22:48.14 | ribnitz | S4turn: normalement 'cest un probleme d'obtenir les bonnes 'connecteurs'. |
| 22:48.22 | GIMMULF | jeanpoldeux u dont have a minute to try? :) |
| 22:48.23 | lklm | kelon: check it for you, highmem is off by default |
| 22:48.31 | ribnitz | !francais |
| 22:48.31 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 22:48.36 | lklm | checked sorry |
| 22:48.36 | GIMMULF | cant find anything about it on google |
| 22:48.46 | S4turn | ribnitz : tu veux dire, les bonnes paires ? |
| 22:48.51 | jeanpoldeux | GIMMULF: what do you want exactly to do ? |
| 22:48.53 | S4turn | ou les jack ? |
| 22:49.03 | GIMMULF | use a prima poker client |
| 22:49.05 | simonrvn | S4turn: /join #debian-fr |
| 22:49.12 | GIMMULF | thru a windows emulator |
| 22:49.27 | ribnitz | S4turn: non, la fin du cable que tu connectes, ces pieces la, elles sont cheres.. |
| 22:49.28 | kinaole | help /window |
| 22:49.28 | GIMMULF | for example www.bet365.com |
| 22:49.32 | GIMMULF | their client |
| 22:49.40 | GIMMULF | bet365poker.com o mean |
| 22:49.44 | simonrvn | S4turn: il y a des diagrammes pour faire les cables ethernet sur le web. va voir google |
| 22:49.48 | GIMMULF | -0 +i |
| 22:49.48 | kelon | lklm, maybe this have influence on gzip? I think so |
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| 22:49.58 | S4turn | [-00:52-] <ribnitz> S4turn: non, la fin du cable que tu connectes, ces pieces la, elles sont cheres.. <-- oui c'est les jack RJ45 |
| 22:50.08 | simonrvn | kelon: what? |
| 22:50.24 | jeanpoldeux | GIMMULF: Ah I cannot, I'm on ppc. |
| 22:50.33 | simonrvn | jeanpoldeux: w00t |
| 22:50.38 | kelon | simonrvn, I think that the problems with the ram could affect the gzip. |
| 22:50.40 | ribnitz | S4turn: exactement. ces jacks RJ45.. |
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| 22:50.42 | lklm | shouldn't have |
| 22:50.45 | GIMMULF | ahh ok |
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| 22:50.59 | kelon | I'm sorry if you couldn't understand me. I don't speak english very well. |
| 22:51.00 | simonrvn | kelon: sorry, you were talking to someone |
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| 22:51.19 | kelon | simonrvn, ? |
| 22:51.21 | S4turn | ribnitz : ils sont chèrs p-e mais spa le problème, le problème premier est que je sais pas cb faut de paires de fil, déjà |
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| 22:51.34 | GIMMULF | Anyone have a minute to try if a poker software works in windows emulator? the software is at www.bet365poker.com and is only about 3mb big |
| 22:51.38 | simonrvn | kelon: never mind... |
| 22:51.46 | jeanpoldeux | kelon: try first what I said, "dpkg-reconfigure gzip" look if there is an error message. |
| 22:51.50 | GIMMULF | would appriciate it very much if someone could try |
| 22:52.01 | ribnitz | S4turn: 4 ou 8, y a des diagrammes sur le web, va regarder google. |
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| 22:52.09 | S4turn | déjà fait |
| 22:52.10 | S4turn | rien de clair |
| 22:52.12 | jeanpoldeux | S4turn: please go to #debian-fr |
| 22:52.12 | kelon | jeanpoldeux, ok. And afther this? |
| 22:52.16 | kelon | simonrvn, ok. :) |
| 22:52.18 | S4turn | y'en a qui disent que 4 paires suffisent |
| 22:52.25 | S4turn | d'autres 2 paires |
| 22:52.26 | S4turn | ... |
| 22:52.26 | jeanpoldeux | S4turn: ta gueule. |
| 22:52.42 | S4turn | jeanpoldeux : apparement que je parle en français n'emmerde que les français. |
| 22:53.18 | jeanpoldeux | S4turn: c'est un channel anglais ici. Pour TOUT le monde. |
| 22:53.32 | kelon | Thank you guys for your help. |
| 22:53.38 | jeanpoldeux | kelon: no error message with dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 22:53.47 | S4turn | jeanpoldeux : j'ai fait un amsg, j'allais pas exclure un chan, rien que pour faire plaisir, et il se trouve qu'on m'a répondu, et en français |
| 22:53.52 | toresbe | What's a good image printing program? |
| 22:53.57 | amphi | S4turn: il ya un 'ethernet howto' a tldp.org |
| 22:54.01 | dabreegster | brb |
| 22:54.08 | S4turn | thx u am88b |
| 22:54.09 | S4turn | amphi |
| 22:54.16 | toresbe | I'm trying to print out JPEGs here but both the Gnome apps I'm using is bugged |
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| 22:55.10 | ribnitz | S4turn: "ethernet cable wiring diagram" |
| 22:55.24 | kelon | I'll check later, jeanpoldeux |
| 22:55.33 | hacim | i just installed kernel-image-2.6.7 and went through the nvidia kernel-source procedure detailed in the README.Debian, this was working with 2.4, but now X doesn't start (I re-ran /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx) |
| 22:55.40 | jeanpoldeux | kelon: if it's a ram issue, which is possible, try a kernel 2.6 install. |
| 22:56.03 | ribnitz | toresbe: gimpprint, esle use pstools to scale etc? |
| 22:56.19 | kelon | jeanpoldeux, I'll try compile a kernel. lklm is helping me too :) |
| 22:56.19 | toresbe | ribnitz: I just want a JPEG scaled to my A4 paper |
| 22:56.34 | toresbe | ribnitz: What does gimpprint do for me? |
| 22:56.36 | celery | anyone have a favourite ftp server they like?:P |
| 22:56.44 | jeanpoldeux | hacim: XF86Config probably |
| 22:56.46 | ribnitz | celery: proftpd |
| 22:57.03 | jeanpoldeux | yeah proftpd |
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| 22:57.12 | deadcat | hacim: did you build the nvidia-kernel right for 2.6.7? |
| 22:57.12 | celery | ty :) |
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| 22:57.43 | ribnitz | toresbe: gimpprint converts the jpeg into something the printer understands, before handing it to osmething like cups |
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| 22:57.54 | jeanpoldeux | hacim: /msg dpkg nvidia, be sure you followed all the steps. |
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| 22:58.33 | hacim | jeanpoldeux: no, it was working with 2.4... yeah I followed all the steps, I think the problem was I used the nvidia-installer before |
| 22:58.35 | ribnitz | toresbe: you might also be able to use psresize... |
| 22:58.52 | toresbe | ribnitz: Screw this, I'm using Windoze. |
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| 22:59.04 | mechan0r | what options does initrd w/ cramfs need to be set up |
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| 22:59.26 | Wind2 | what is the fastest way to clear all files with *.log ? |
| 22:59.35 | deadcat | hacim: oh ya. theres your problem. i read somwhere "use only one or the other" |
| 22:59.44 | ribnitz | toresbe: I usually use cat, and leave it to the subsystem |
| 22:59.52 | deadcat | hacim: run-nvidia-installer.run --uninstall |
| 23:00.20 | jeanpoldeux | Wind2: you don't want to do that. |
| 23:00.31 | celery | any idea how i can find out my local network ip assigned by dhcp? |
| 23:00.32 | Wind2 | I just want to logrotate |
| 23:00.36 | hacim | deadcat: yeah, I tried... but it complains because "The directory permissions of /var/lib/nvidia have been changed sincethe directory was created!" |
| 23:00.58 | jeanpoldeux | Wind2: then logrotate, don't remove the log files or you're going in real troubles. |
| 23:01.02 | ribnitz | celery: ifconfig |
| 23:01.09 | mwilson | Wind2: So use logrotate. |
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| 23:02.08 | celery | no luck with "ifconfig" on apt ribnitz :/ |
| 23:02.22 | Covener | celery: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 23:02.23 | jeanpoldeux | celery: run ifconfig as root. |
| 23:02.29 | celery | ah tY ;x |
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| 23:02.39 | deadcat | hacim: try to apt-get remove all the nvidia debs then --uninstall that shit and start over. thats what i had to do before. |
| 23:02.59 | hacim | deadcat: stupid nvidia |
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| 23:05.52 | kinaole | hello... anyone here using USB for audio output? |
| 23:06.01 | InsaneInside | On which channel would I ask about getting an mp3 player to work? Specific model, I know this isn't the place. |
| 23:06.07 | mwilson | How many times are you going to ask? |
| 23:06.14 | jeanpoldeux | InsaneInside: just ask. |
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| 23:06.30 | InsaneInside | jeanpoldeux: okay. :) |
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| 23:06.42 | klipper | hey all |
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| 23:06.57 | klipper | i need to know how to install the kernel source for 2.6.3 |
| 23:07.12 | mwilson | Download it, un-tar it, you're done. |
| 23:07.15 | jeanpoldeux | klipper: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.3 |
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| 23:07.29 | klipper | oh, ok, thanks, i couldn't seem to find it in apt |
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| 23:07.47 | tjousk | On further investigation, my display problems are an s-video issue, namely: the adaptor I'm using does not seem to be using the luminance output at all... |
| 23:07.57 | InsaneInside | I have an iRock! 530 mp3 player... Doesn't seem to have be supported under Linux, and running the software install under wine just crashes. Any ideas? |
| 23:08.12 | klipper | jeanpoldeux: that doesn't work |
| 23:08.25 | jeanpoldeux | klipper: apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 23:08.26 | jrr | InsaneInside: wine can't emulate a driver |
| 23:08.29 | Covener | InsaneInside: have you tried accessing it as a usb mass storage device? |
| 23:08.44 | scarynetworkguy | daf |
| 23:08.46 | kinaole | Insane: is the irock mountable as a drive? a lot are ... |
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| 23:09.18 | InsaneInside | Covener: Tried, yes. Plugged it in, made sure usb-storage module was loaded... |
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| 23:09.31 | kinaole | Insane: try running 'sudo tail -f /var/log/messages' when you plug it in |
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| 23:10.00 | _etc | what should I read to be able to configure networking(home, internet) from the scratch? |
| 23:10.04 | klipper | there is source for 2.5 2.6 2.7 but no 2.3 |
| 23:10.12 | hacim | ok, upgraded to 2.6 from 2.4, now X can't find /dev/psaux, says no such device... what do I set it to? |
| 23:10.13 | klipper | maybe i should upgrade my kernel? |
| 23:10.29 | scarynetworkguy | _etc: the networking how to http;//wwww.ldp.org |
| 23:10.30 | Covener | _etc: debian specific or general principles? man interfaces for the former |
| 23:10.49 | jeanpoldeux | klipper: then grab a 2.6.7 |
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| 23:11.00 | klipper | should i? its brand new |
| 23:11.12 | jeanpoldeux | klipper: why the hell do you want a 2.3 ? |
| 23:11.16 | InsaneInside | Nothing about a new usb storage device shown... Just a new full-speed USB device. |
| 23:11.19 | ribnitz | klipper: what do you have bow? |
| 23:11.22 | Randy | hacim: when all else fails, reinstall! |
| 23:11.24 | klipper | i dunno, it came with base |
| 23:11.28 | klipper | i have 2.3 |
| 23:11.29 | _etc | Covener:first I have to find and configue ethernet/usb modem |
| 23:11.30 | hacim | Randy: ummm no |
| 23:11.33 | klipper | 2.6.3* |
| 23:11.42 | jeanpoldeux | klipper: ah that makes sense. |
| 23:11.50 | jeanpoldeux | klipper: 2.6.7 is ok. |
| 23:11.54 | ribnitz | klipper: well, they are at 7 now |
| 23:11.58 | kinaole | Insane: do other USB storage devices work? |
| 23:11.58 | klipper | alright |
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| 23:12.11 | InsaneInside | kinaole: Yep. Definitely. |
| 23:12.40 | celery | bleh, is there a decent GUI based ftp server ?:/ |
| 23:12.47 | hacim | celery: server or client? |
| 23:12.53 | kinaole | Insane: I have not played with an iRock ... but it may be a proprietary interface |
| 23:12.54 | celery | server |
| 23:12.56 | deadcat | celery: what are you stupid? |
| 23:12.59 | ribnitz | celery: what do you need a gui for on a server? |
| 23:13.00 | hacim | celery: gui based server? |
| 23:13.07 | InsaneInside | usbview shows the player as an 'unknown device'. |
| 23:13.22 | klipper | celery is sure in for it! |
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| 23:13.33 | celery | quick setup, no idea howto setup this proftpd, and not sure how i specify the folder thats available for stealing from so to speak |
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| 23:13.54 | jeanpoldeux | InsaneInside: well it's not documented at all on google. I think your only chance is to modprobe usb-storage and to llok what it's saying. |
| 23:13.56 | Randy | celery: no GUI |
| 23:13.58 | ribnitz | celery: every server will need setup |
| 23:13.59 | deadcat | celery: and how will GUI help on that? |
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| 23:14.06 | InsaneInside | Other iRock players (the 800 series), according to online reviews, show up as mass storage devices. |
| 23:14.13 | celery | i asked if there was, not for abuse |
| 23:14.28 | InsaneInside | jeanpoldeux: Alright. |
| 23:14.31 | klipper | celery, we're trying to save you from yourself |
| 23:14.32 | deadcat | celery: redhat/fedora might have a gui setup for ftp. |
| 23:14.40 | ribnitz | celery: you can trust the proftpd team to have sane defaults |
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| 23:14.57 | strubbel | Can anyone access his/her IDE HD > 128GB as a whole with linux? |
| 23:15.01 | celery | was just looking for a quick ftp setup, complicated trying to setup smoothie aswell as this :/ |
| 23:15.16 | klipper | NO! |
| 23:15.17 | _etc | aight, before setting up network, I have to get my onboard NIC and usb modem - are there howto's for that? |
| 23:15.17 | Covener | ribnitz: the proftpd defaults are overly conservative for lots of peoples' tastes ( fxp, store resume) |
| 23:15.27 | Randy | strubbel: "as a whole" ? |
| 23:15.30 | deadcat | celery: wu-ftpd, no setup required. |
| 23:15.36 | jrr | strubbel: yup |
| 23:15.39 | klipper | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 23:15.39 | klipper | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 23:15.39 | klipper | (synaptic:1999): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 23:16.03 | ribnitz | Covener: 'sane defaults', mean they work, and they are good for most cases. |
| 23:16.16 | klipper | i cant seem to open anything! |
| 23:16.17 | celery | thanks deadcat, any idea howto setup the folder i use for the ftp or is it in the install dir, or self explanitory when i install?:p |
| 23:16.23 | InsaneInside | Any way to force the USB drivers to see a certain device as something other than what it presents itself as? |
| 23:16.31 | klipper | gkrellm, and anything new gives me a gtk warning |
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| 23:16.33 | Randy | celery: dude you're a crack head |
| 23:16.33 | jrr | strubbel: 200GB, using FAT for cross-os compatibility. want my .config? |
| 23:16.39 | celery | :> |
| 23:16.41 | ribnitz | Covener: and if you really need fxp and such, you'll take the time to set it up properly |
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| 23:17.11 | deadcat | celery: ? isntall wu-ftpd and ftp as a user. user's $HOME is the dir righT? |
| 23:17.11 | strubbel | Randy: I can only access 128GB with fdisk , due to IDE limitations, I think |
| 23:17.14 | ribnitz | strubbel: old bios |
| 23:17.16 | Randy | strubbel: bull shit |
| 23:17.29 | Randy | strubbel: you have seriously outdated hardware? |
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| 23:17.37 | kinaole | Insane: 2.6 usb has a USB gadget ... you could always read the source for that? |
| 23:17.42 | deadcat | strubbel: do you really have that much pron? (= |
| 23:17.42 | strubbel | maybe |
| 23:17.54 | Randy | strubbel: well its a bull shit problem |
| 23:17.56 | strubbel | and music? |
| 23:18.03 | celery | how do i remove a package? like uninstall it?:o |
| 23:18.16 | InsaneInside | kinaole: I'll look. |
| 23:18.16 | deadcat | celery: apt-get remove --purge pkgname |
| 23:18.17 | jeanpoldeux | !moron celery |
| 23:18.18 | dpkg | celery: You are moron #96 |
| 23:18.20 | Covener | ribnitz: or spin your wheels wondering why someone can't perform a simple task like resuming an upload |
| 23:18.22 | deadcat | celery: man apt-get |
| 23:18.44 | celery | im new to debian, sorry i dont know everything :/ |
| 23:18.57 | Randy | celery: apt-get install brain |
| 23:19.00 | jeanpoldeux | celery: man ages are made for you ;) |
| 23:19.06 | jeanpoldeux | *pages* |
| 23:19.10 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: ? |
| 23:19.14 | strubbel | so is there a way to access it fully with an UDMA/66 controller |
| 23:19.15 | jrr | man pages are made for nobody |
| 23:19.41 | jeanpoldeux | jrr: ??? are you moron #97 ? |
| 23:19.44 | deadcat | jeanpoldeux: man ages is right after the ice age aint it? (= |
| 23:19.54 | jeanpoldeux | deadcat: hehehe |
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| 23:20.02 | Randy | strubbel: why are you using a UDMA controller? |
| 23:20.08 | klipper | damnit! i cant seem to find a package to upgrade to 2.6.7! |
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| 23:20.25 | mechan0r | what options does initrd w/ cramfs need to be set up |
| 23:20.30 | strubbel | Randy: it's on my board, too old? |
| 23:20.34 | _etc | how do I check if a eth card works? |
| 23:20.41 | jbr | klipper: http://www.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-source-2.6.7/kernel-source-2.6.7_2.6.7-3_all.deb |
| 23:20.52 | klipper | do i want the source? |
| 23:21.01 | klipper | i thought i wanted binaries |
| 23:21.02 | mechan0r | kernel-image |
| 23:21.04 | Randy | strubbel: its onboard then, nevermind |
| 23:21.06 | jeanpoldeux | 01:09 klipper| there is source for 2.5 2.6 2.7 but no 2.3 |
| 23:21.12 | jbr | klipper: dunno; there are -image packages too |
| 23:21.20 | klipper | i know, im looking for 2.6.7 binary now |
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| 23:21.37 | klipper | if i wanna upgrade my kernel, i need an image package? |
| 23:21.43 | mechan0r | yes |
| 23:21.46 | dampjam | I want to load a gui / one or two apps on my sparc workstation, is 2.5 gigs enough space? |
| 23:21.47 | _etc | I guess i'm asking bad questions |
| 23:21.48 | klipper | ok then! |
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| 23:21.56 | strubbel | Randy: at the moment it's in an usb-box accessed via scsi emulation |
| 23:21.59 | jrr | dampjam: definitely |
| 23:22.00 | deadcat | dampjam: yes. |
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| 23:22.08 | Randy | strubbel: I have no idea how you run into a 127 GB limit, I cant help you |
| 23:22.46 | jrr | strubbel: this may be an unpopular diagnosis method, but can windows see it all? |
| 23:22.46 | jeanpoldeux | dampjam: but you can forget kde or gnome. |
| 23:22.46 | klipper | if im running an athlonxp, would i want this? |
| 23:22.46 | klipper | kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.7 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV |
| 23:22.46 | dampjam | damn |
| 23:22.46 | dampjam | so flux? |
| 23:22.46 | dampjam | or blackbox |
| 23:22.48 | jeanpoldeux | dampjam: yep |
| 23:22.48 | klipper | FLUXBOX |
| 23:22.48 | deadcat | dampjam: try xfce4/fluxbox/openbox |
| 23:22.51 | strubbel | Randy: what about a 2.6... kernel mine is 2.4.18 |
| 23:23.07 | Covener | klipper: k7 i think? |
| 23:23.21 | Wind2 | how can I list all directories with find ? |
| 23:23.25 | strubbel | Randy: or is it the controller that limits |
| 23:23.26 | klipper | oh yeah! |
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| 23:23.29 | deadcat | Wind2: -type d |
| 23:23.34 | jeanpoldeux | Wind2: with man find. |
| 23:23.34 | Randy | strubbel: I doubt it.. I think you just need to partition your hard drive so it uses 127 GB |
| 23:23.35 | Wind2 | thanks |
| 23:23.37 | gonzo | I just downloaded Sun Java SDK and it's in .bin format. What do I do with it? |
| 23:23.37 | _etc | klipper:athlon/duron |
| 23:23.41 | cafuego | You run into a 127GB limit if you don't have 48bit addressing in your ide chipset. |
| 23:23.42 | klipper | whats the difference between smp and others? |
| 23:23.51 | Covener | gonzo: probably an executable installer |
| 23:23.56 | jeanpoldeux | gonzo: read th README or the INSTALL |
| 23:24.18 | strubbel | Randy: yeah, but then 1/3 of storage is "lost" |
| 23:24.18 | cafuego | You cna fix that with 1) a bios flash or 2) a cheap PCI ATA133 controller. |
| 23:24.22 | klipper | what is SMP? |
| 23:24.24 | jeanpoldeux | gonzo: tipically you chmod +x jdk && ./jdk |
| 23:24.29 | petemc | gonzo: http://serios.net/content/debian/java.php |
| 23:24.32 | cafuego | symmetric multi processing |
| 23:24.33 | tjousk | klipper: smp is for multiple processors |
| 23:24.39 | klipper | ok |
| 23:24.47 | cafuego | ie: more then one cpu in one box. |
| 23:24.50 | sussudio | klipper: Snake Mushroom Patrol |
| 23:24.59 | jeanpoldeux | sussudio: ehehe |
| 23:25.04 | klipper | mmmmm |
| 23:25.05 | strubbel | cafuego: is there something like a ATA 133 usb box? |
| 23:25.14 | klipper | smoke some shrroms, eat a snake, get caught by the patrol |
| 23:25.19 | cafuego | strubbel: Eh what? |
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| 23:25.29 | sussudio | strubbel: box? |
| 23:25.39 | cafuego | strubbel: Like an extral usb hdd enclosure? |
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| 23:25.56 | strubbel | cafuego: an usb hd-box with an ata133 controller |
| 23:25.59 | tjousk | cafuego: Yes there is, I have one |
| 23:26.18 | cafuego | strubbel: IF you want one, you'll want a USB2 or Firewire one. Transferring > 127GB of data at 600K/s will take approximately forever. |
| 23:26.36 | tjousk | although, it only really seems to get up to speed if I use it's firewire ports |
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| 23:26.42 | strubbel | tjousk: and no trouble with very large hds |
| 23:26.48 | strubbel | ? |
| 23:27.00 | iceman | Please share with me, if anyone have experience with debian and a (nokia) phone using bluetooth. I've managed to send some smaller files to the phone, but not retrieving anything... |
| 23:27.06 | cafuego | strubbel: Mine's only 20GB, but I suppose it'll be fine with bigger ones too. |
| 23:27.14 | tjousk | no trouble with the 200Gb that's in it now (: |
| 23:27.15 | jeanpoldeux | hehehe, trying to rip a dvd with usb1.1 on my ibook takes approximately 20 hours. |
| 23:27.17 | [BoBuk] | hi guys. anybody see apt repository with mplayer (for testing or unstable) ? |
| 23:27.40 | deadcat | !tell [BoBuk] about mplayer |
| 23:27.42 | cafuego | [BoBuk]: /msg dpkg mplayer debs |
| 23:28.05 | [BoBuk] | deadcat: wow! i'm idiot. sorry and thanks |
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| 23:28.09 | strubbel | tjousk: and your kernel version? |
| 23:28.14 | cafuego | strubbel: A new pci controller will be a hell of a lot cheaper, though. |
| 23:28.18 | tjousk | 2.6.7 |
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| 23:28.23 | tvn | can I continue d/l ing where I left off in sftp ? |
| 23:28.36 | deadcat | external enclosures are portable. |
| 23:28.48 | Covener | tvn: the protocol supports it,but I don't believe the openssh client is able to do that |
| 23:28.54 | greycat | tvn: no, but you can with rsync over ssh |
| 23:29.11 | strubbel | so it's the hardware and i can stop searching for a sofware soloution |
| 23:29.24 | tjousk | strubbel: I was using 2.4.25 before this with no troubles. |
| 23:29.27 | strubbel | that's good to know! |
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| 23:29.48 | cafuego | strubbel: Well, updating the bios would be a software solution. |
| 23:29.51 | strubbel | tjousk: thanks that helps |
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| 23:30.28 | sussudio | thomas_adam: that bastard fox was back again today |
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| 23:30.53 | ribnitz | hey, how do I get vim to not indent what I pasted from x with the mouse? |
| 23:30.56 | _etc | how do I save a complete html page in IE ? :/ |
| 23:30.59 | greycat | ribnitz: :set nopaste |
| 23:31.00 | strubbel | cafuego: you mean for the K7V |
| 23:31.08 | ribnitz | greycat: thanks |
| 23:31.10 | greycat | _etc: wrong channel. |
| 23:31.18 | cafuego | strubbel: For the mainboard, yeah. |
| 23:31.25 | strubbel | cafuego: asus board |
| 23:31.48 | _etc | greycat:I want to save a linux howto |
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| 23:31.53 | cafuego | strubbel: Check that there's a newer bios then the one you have. it is says it fixed LBA48 addressing, your problem is solved. |
| 23:31.53 | deadcat | _etc: debian is far from IE.. |
| 23:31.56 | strubbel | cafuego: good hint, never did that before |
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| 23:32.50 | jeanpoldeux | my god I forgot I.E. still exists. |
| 23:32.58 | strubbel | cafuego: you mean UDMA/66 a new bios and that big disk would do fine? |
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| 23:33.09 | _etc | you gotta start somewhere |
| 23:33.13 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: send the badgers after hm |
| 23:33.22 | cafuego | strubbel: In theory, yes. |
| 23:33.22 | greycat | _etc: start with Firefox, then. |
| 23:33.23 | deadcat | _etc: not here. |
| 23:33.28 | jeanpoldeux | _etc: mozilla |
| 23:33.41 | cafuego | strubbel: I only recommended ATA133 because all those controllers are new enough to support 48bit addressing. |
| 23:34.12 | sussudio | scarynetworkguy: it keeps eating the badgerfood. |
| 23:34.12 | cafuego | strubbel: Oh, you will probably also need an 80-conductor ide cable. |
| 23:34.38 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: stupid fox. :) |
| 23:35.10 | strubbel | cafuego: you mean i need a pci controller card |
| 23:35.20 | strubbel | to plug in |
| 23:35.25 | cafuego | strubbel: only if updating your bios doesn't help. |
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| 23:35.30 | SpinX | [wewt] I'm here.. |
| 23:35.43 | tjousk | cafuego: An 80 or a 40 conductor cable makes no difference in the addressable size of a drive, ony affects speed |
| 23:35.49 | cafuego | strubbel: Yeah, pci ide controllers are cheap as anything |
| 23:36.31 | sussudio | !aolify SpinX |
| 23:36.41 | dumbintel | how can i do something like cat file.txt | grep pattern1 pattern2 |
| 23:36.43 | cafuego | strubbel: A week and a half ago i had a poblem where a friend's machine wouldn't see his 80GB disk *at all* when plugged in. I got him a cheapy silicon image pci controlelr and voila, it was happy. |
| 23:37.02 | SpinX | sussudio; fuck you |
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| 23:37.10 | sussudio | tsk. |
| 23:37.17 | strubbel | cafuego: i'll see if i can get the needed binaries for my board |
| 23:37.21 | cafuego | Mind you, that mainboard has previously exploded, so the on-board controller may have been broken anyway. |
| 23:37.24 | ninja_ | hahaa :/ |
| 23:37.51 | strubbel | cafuego: mine? |
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| 23:38.06 | cafuego | dumbintel: add pipes. cat file | grep foo | grep bar | grep chicken |
| 23:38.12 | strubbel | cafuego: i would have noticed |
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| 23:38.22 | cafuego | strubbel: No, the one here (in my house) |
| 23:38.28 | sussudio | cafuego: no grepping the chickens. |
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| 23:38.37 | _etc | any good place to find howtos is plain text format? |
| 23:38.40 | jeanpoldeux | cafuego: ah. I thought the last one was grep carott. |
| 23:38.54 | strubbel | cafuego: ahh |
| 23:38.57 | klipper | ok, whats up with this? i cant seem to open synaptic, or some other gtk apps... |
| 23:39.05 | klipper | (synaptic:2446): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 23:39.11 | klipper | i keep getting that error |
| 23:39.18 | cafuego | jeanpoldeux: Actually, it's traditionally 'frog' or 'bing' for me. |
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| 23:39.26 | strubbel | cafuego: sympathy |
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| 23:39.42 | cafuego | strubbel: 's OK, the box is happy as larry now |
| 23:39.45 | dumbintel | cafuego: I tried taht but I need to do cat file | grep this or grep that |
| 23:39.45 | jeanpoldeux | cafuego: I eat frogs. |
| 23:39.50 | cafuego | (and running Win XP) |
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| 23:39.56 | cafuego | jeanpoldeux: You would, though. |
| 23:40.19 | cafuego | dumbintel: egrep 'foo|bar' you mean? |
| 23:40.36 | strubbel | cafuego: is a bios update a painless thing? |
| 23:41.02 | cafuego | strubbel: That depends on the manufacturer. Some work with a DOS boot floppy, some have windows utilities for it. |
| 23:41.02 | strubbel | cafuego: how does it work? |
| 23:41.03 | deadcat | strubbel: download flash to floppy. boot the thing then run few commands. if you screw up. too bad. |
| 23:41.04 | dumbintel | cafuego: got it cat file | grep word1 ; cat file | grep word2 |
| 23:41.21 | jbr | dumbintel: (the cat's an unnecessary extra process, by the way: grep patternage file) |
| 23:41.24 | deadcat | dumbintel: do what cafuego said. much easier and better |
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| 23:41.58 | cafuego | dumbintel: egrep 'pattern1|pattern2' file |
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| 23:42.21 | cafuego | dumbintel: that runs a SINGLE process instead of 4, so will be 4 times faster. |
| 23:42.23 | dumbintel | yeah got it :) nice :) |
| 23:42.28 | cafuego | (and 4 times more elegant) |
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| 23:43.30 | cafuego | deadcat: if you screw up you know why the next mobo should be a dual-bios one :-) |
| 23:43.50 | deadcat | amen to that. (= |
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| 23:44.53 | cafuego | Is it just me or has it gotten nice & quiet in here since bob2 went to eat salt&vinegar chips? |
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| 23:45.18 | strubbel | cafuego: thanks for the info |
| 23:45.23 | cafuego | strubbel: np. |
| 23:45.46 | mechan0r | you must restart windows because you uninstall Adoobie |
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| 23:45.52 | andres | hello again |
| 23:45.52 | strubbel | cafuego: you can tell me how this bios update works basicly |
| 23:45.57 | mrwill | perhaps a good time to ask a question -- spamassassin on stable always thinks that a message is RCVD_IN_ORBS -- bad blacklist. How do I disable this? |
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| 23:46.27 | cafuego | strubbel: You download a file, which makes a floppy disk, which boots DOS, then runs a command that flashes a new rom image into your bios. |
| 23:46.49 | andres | thsi morning i asked for a cd ripper i was suggested sound juicer but sound juicer dont rip in mp3? the option is gryed out any ideas? |
| 23:46.54 | cafuego | mrwill: Remove your test host from ORBS? :-) |
| 23:47.07 | Covener | andres: maybe it detects you have no mp3 encoder installed on your system? (lame?) tried grip? |
| 23:47.15 | cafuego | andres: Install an mp3 connverter like lame |
| 23:47.16 | jeanpoldeux | andres: yes I have an idea. cdparanoia, and lame. |
| 23:47.22 | dumbintel | eek, is there a way I can log the buffer on an eterm window? |
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| 23:47.33 | andres | Covener ;thats what it said |
| 23:47.52 | cafuego | dumbintel: For your grep? egrep 'foo|bar' file > newfile; $EDITOR newfile |
| 23:48.14 | mrwill | cafuego: no, this blacklist is known to be bad -- everything is considered to be in the blacklist. I need to get rid of the blacklist. |
| 23:48.35 | dumbintel | cafuego no for everything? |
| 23:48.39 | cafuego | mrwill: Assign a 0 score to the ORBS test in the SA prefs. |
| 23:49.02 | strubbel | cafuego: let me repeat, i fetch a floppy image, reboot, tell the bios to boot from floppy, insert that floppy and i'm fine? |
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| 23:49.22 | cafuego | dumbintel: Not that I know of; you could do log dumps if you ran 'screen' in your term... |
| 23:49.30 | jeanpoldeux | repeating is annoying. |
| 23:49.46 | mrwill | cafuego: good idea, but still performs the test... wish I could make it not do this bogus test. Oh well, better than nothing. |
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| 23:49.50 | cafuego | strubbel: Apart from the first bit, the updates tend to be windows applications that MAKE the floppy image. |
| 23:50.01 | strubbel | jeanpoldeux: was that right? |
| 23:50.33 | jeanpoldeux | strubbel: do you know what a scrollbar is ? |
| 23:50.40 | cafuego | mrwill: You cna remove it from where it lives - /usr/share/spamassassin or something like that |
| 23:50.49 | strubbel | cafuego: mmm |
| 23:50.56 | directhex | andres, kaudiocreator is quite nice, despite all odds |
| 23:51.07 | strubbel | jeanpoldeux: can you tell me |
| 23:51.24 | directhex | andres, and mp3 blows goats. use something decent like vorbis |
| 23:51.27 | mrwill | cafuego: yeah, found it, thanks! |
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| 23:51.55 | jeanpoldeux | strubbel: don't repeat, just scroll back and look what cafuego said if you forgot it... |
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| 23:52.09 | cafuego | That's right! Use a format someone says is better, even if your audio hardware can't use it! What a good idea! |
| 23:52.12 | cafuego | !lart directhex |
| 23:52.13 | huw_ | Question: I'm trying to find some docs on setting up a usb logitech optical mouse on woody |
| 23:52.40 | cafuego | !tell huw_ -about usbmouse |
| 23:52.42 | huw_ | anyone able to point me in the right direction |
| 23:52.47 | huw_ | ty =] |
| 23:52.49 | cafuego | np. |
| 23:53.04 | strubbel | jeanpoldeux: %$&* |
| 23:53.12 | cafuego | Mind you, it would be nice if the Asus website worked, if you want to get a BIOS update. |
| 23:54.13 | directhex | cafuego, he's said three sentances since he joined. none of them make any mention of a retarded vorbis-free hardware-based player |
| 23:54.14 | strubbel | cafuego: as far as i know they don't support the K7V any longer on their official site |
| 23:54.15 | Cosmo` | does anyone know how i can change my resolution/refreshrate settings in GNOME/XF86 ? |
| 23:54.36 | jeanpoldeux | Cosmo`: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:54.52 | cafuego | directhex: Yes, and? |
| 23:55.03 | strubbel | cafuego: but it exists k7v.com or something, perhaps i can get some update there |
| 23:55.37 | directhex | cafuego, so "<cafuego> That's right! Use a format someone says is better, even if your audio hardware can't use it! What a good idea!" is simply confrontational & retarded in equal measure |
| 23:56.02 | strubbel | cafuego: i'll have a look |
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| 23:56.43 | cafuego | directhex: No, telling someone they're stupid because they don't use what you think they should use (and you have no way of know they WANT or CAN sue) is the retarded statement. Mine was merely pointing that out by use of sarcasm. |
| 23:56.43 | Blissex|watch | directhex: cafuego sometimes aims to entertain as well a inform, even if some of those sometimes the entertainment may be just for himself :-) |
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| 23:56.55 | cafuego | Blissex|watch: It's all funny in my head. |
| 23:57.10 | huw_ | cafuego: after running those apt-gets etc and trying to startx (with fluxbox), it gives me an unknown protocol error |
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| 23:57.38 | cafuego | huw_: in X? Are you using XF4 or X3.3.6? |
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| 23:58.25 | huw_ | ugh, newbie reply to that... how do I tell? |
| 23:58.35 | simonrvn | X -version |
| 23:58.36 | cafuego | huw_: X --version should tell you. |
| 23:58.54 | huw_ | I just ran4.1 |
| 23:58.55 | cafuego | dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 will also tell you |
| 23:58.58 | dpkg | ii xserver-xfree86 will also tell you 2.2-12.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 23:58.59 | huw_ | oops, mischat |
| 23:59.00 | huw_ | 4.1 |
| 23:59.06 | cafuego | huw_: Ok. |
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| 23:59.34 | huw_ | I recently ran apt-get upgrade && apt-get install x-window-system |
| 23:59.43 | huw_ | recently as in 5 minutes ago |
| 23:59.45 | simonrvn | @#!*&$?*(&!?$%)($?!%$&%!$(?!@#%*&! STUPID XFREE SINGLE DASHED LONG OPTIONS!!! *%&?$)(?%$\*#%$\# |
| 23:59.53 | simonrvn | cafuego: better? ;) |
