| 00:00.09 | De_Mon | peterS that's the only line in hosts.deny btw |
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| 00:00.11 | peterS | De_Mon: I don't understand "ALL EXCEPT ssh EXCEPT auth" |
| 00:00.21 | peterS | De_Mon: is 'auth' another service? I didn't know about it |
| 00:00.28 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: I use it because I can't stand openoffice.org or word |
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| 00:00.38 | dan2 | peterS: auth == ident |
| 00:00.40 | thomas_adam | dan2: Yup. |
| 00:00.43 | peterS | dan2: gotcha |
| 00:00.55 | De_Mon | peterS its i.. yeah |
| 00:00.57 | peterS | strange to call it that, though, since it has nothing to do with authentication |
| 00:01.13 | dan2 | thomas_adam: can't wait till my new bed arrives |
| 00:01.22 | thomas_adam | dan2: :D What did you order? |
| 00:01.27 | dan2 | thomas_adam: went to 3 mattress stores |
| 00:01.31 | dan2 | thomas_adam: king koil |
| 00:01.32 | peterS | De_Mon: I think "ssh" is the right service name for ssh. that's something you should double-check, though - it might be "sshd" or something |
| 00:01.38 | thomas_adam | dan2: A who? |
| 00:01.46 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Nope, ssh. |
| 00:01.48 | DaCa | peterS: its listed like that in /etc/services |
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| 00:01.53 | dan2 | thomas_adam: King Koil Full Size bed |
| 00:01.54 | JoshTriplett | peterS: grep ssh /etc/services. |
| 00:01.58 | De_Mon | peterS its definately ssh |
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| 00:02.09 | thomas_adam | Cool. |
| 00:02.12 | De_Mon | exec grep ssh /etc/services |
| 00:02.15 | De_Mon | oops |
| 00:02.18 | peterS | JoshTriplett: the service name means nothing if sshd is itself the one checking /etc/hosts.* |
| 00:02.30 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Good point. |
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| 00:02.43 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Really, hosts.{allow,deny} is no substitute for a firewall. |
| 00:02.47 | De_Mon | hmm.. so where should I be checking? |
| 00:02.59 | thomas_adam | De_Mon: Under your bed. |
| 00:03.28 | dan2 | thomas_adam: I didn't want a tempurpedic because they suck to sit on, and I was afraid the dog would eat it :) |
| 00:03.34 | peterS | De_Mon: hmm. 'man sshd' does not go into any detail |
| 00:03.44 | thomas_adam | dan2: Hehe. What breed is the poochie? |
| 00:03.48 | peterS | De_Mon: are you running sshd standalone or via tcpd? |
| 00:03.53 | dan2 | thomas_adam: Yellow Lab |
| 00:03.57 | De_Mon | standalone |
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| 00:04.12 | thomas_adam | dan2: Aww. We have a black lab and a goldren retriever. |
| 00:04.22 | dan2 | thomas_adam: nice, I love my dog |
| 00:04.24 | dan2 | thomas_adam: :) |
| 00:04.36 | thomas_adam | :) |
| 00:04.42 | dan2 | thomas_adam: my dog was sleeping on my bed when I was in a twin bed... |
| 00:04.47 | thomas_adam | dan2: :) |
| 00:04.47 | dan2 | thomas_adam: no room et al |
| 00:04.51 | thomas_adam | Aww. |
| 00:04.56 | thomas_adam | peterS: |
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| 00:05.47 | peterS | De_Mon: hmmm. sshd is linked with libwrap, which is what handles hosts.* stuff.. |
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| 00:07.06 | Mag007 | I keep getting this error, via_ircc:unsupported module, tainted kernel |
| 00:07.29 | peterS | De_Mon: it very much looks like sshd uses "sshd" as the service name for hosts_access() |
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| 00:07.50 | De_Mon | peterS where are you seeing that? |
| 00:07.54 | peterS | De_Mon: actually, it uses argv[0], so if you were to symlink /usr/sbin/sshd to /usr/sbin/foo, and then run that, it would use "foo" as the service name |
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| 00:08.37 | De_Mon | thats in hosts_access? |
| 00:08.53 | Mag007 | hey, what is IRDA? |
| 00:08.53 | peterS | De_Mon: sshd.c:main() and openbsd-compat/bsd-misc.c:ssh_get_progname() |
| 00:09.02 | peterS | De_Mon: from the openssh source code |
| 00:09.55 | De_Mon | Mag007 Invfrared data.. something |
| 00:09.55 | sussudio | Mag007: goooogle. |
| 00:09.58 | peterS | Mag007: infrared connections between laptops |
| 00:10.10 | Mag007 | ok |
| 00:10.21 | Mag007 | lsmod shows me using IRDA, but I don't even know how that got there |
| 00:10.46 | peterS | Mag007: probably one of the Twin Evil Packages of Autoloading, 'discover' and 'hotplug' |
| 00:11.20 | JoshTriplett | peterS: hotplug is good. |
| 00:11.49 | peterS | JoshTriplett: if you say so. I don't really bother to distinguish between discover and hotplug |
| 00:11.51 | MerlinCorey_ | So, earlier I was fixing up my interfaces because since going to sarge, I couldn't get to this box by hostname... I added a hostname option to the interface (which is by dhcp) as well as the dhcpclient.conf... Now, I can nslookup/host the name and get the ip address just fine, but I still can't use the hostname directly... any ideas..? |
| 00:12.01 | Mag007 | peterS, okay..brb reboot |
| 00:12.08 | thomas_adam | The hotplu maintainer is a moron. |
| 00:12.18 | peterS | JoshTriplett: all I know is, I got pretty tired of seeing one or the other of them load every module under the sun, including trying to load uhci-hcd three times since I have three root hubs |
| 00:12.24 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Well, hotplug is the reason that I can just plug in USB devices, and they Just Work. |
| 00:12.30 | JoshTriplett | peterS: :) |
| 00:12.44 | JoshTriplett | peterS: For example, USB joysticks, or 1394 drives. |
| 00:12.53 | peterS | JoshTriplett: oh, I know the theory |
| 00:13.07 | JoshTriplett | peterS: And the alternative would probably be "modprobe by hand". |
| 00:13.16 | peterS | JoshTriplett: groveling through config files and dirs to keep hotplug from doing the wrong thing is much more cumbersome than just loading module manually |
| 00:13.20 | peterS | JoshTriplett: IMHE |
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| 00:13.37 | thomas_adam | peterS: agreed. |
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| 00:13.57 | JoshTriplett | peterS: "modprobe joydev && pydance" seems annoying, unfriendly, and unnecessary. |
| 00:14.04 | alvanson | yeah... usb devices Just Work[tm] once you spend hours configuring hotplug ;) |
| 00:14.11 | mickeyks | i'm in sarge, is it worth getting firefox .9 or should i just wait for it to get to sarge |
| 00:14.22 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: I've never touched the hotplug configuration. |
| 00:14.26 | thomas_adam | JoshTriplett: pydance tends to be |
| 00:14.36 | JoshTriplett | thomas_adam: ? |
| 00:14.37 | sussudio | JoshTriplett: joydev, pydance? is that some goth thing again? |
| 00:14.41 | peterS | thomas_adam: heh |
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| 00:14.49 | alvanson | mickeyks: I've always thought it best to keep your browser updated (I mean one shouldn't have to, but increasingly more webpages demand a newer browser) |
| 00:14.54 | JoshTriplett | sussudio: Loading a joystick module, then running a game that uses the joystick. |
| 00:14.59 | peterS | pydance is some game written in like ruby or something, right? |
| 00:15.02 | peterS | </troll> |
| 00:15.16 | thomas_adam | peterS: No, guile. |
| 00:15.21 | peterS | thomas_adam: oh, right |
| 00:15.21 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: I've had to in order to get my camera and my scanner working |
| 00:15.31 | peterS | thomas_adam: I knew it was something like that. you can always tell from the name. |
| 00:15.32 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: then again, I'm still using woody ;) |
| 00:15.35 | sussudio | commodore basic. |
| 00:15.52 | mickeyks | alvanson: sure, if .9 supports some standard that .8 doesn't. but maybe it's just a different color, could be all kinds of things |
| 00:15.57 | thomas_adam | peterS: It has to be, since it's not advocating the language it's wriiten in, or *anything* like that... :P |
| 00:16.06 | alvanson | mickeyks: oh yeah, then in that case I wouldn't really bother |
| 00:16.22 | alvanson | mickeyks: .9 doesn't even seem to work in woody |
| 00:16.43 | alvanson | actually... anybody here been able to get firefox .9 working in woody (backports.org version)? |
| 00:16.44 | smacnay_ | any troubles with sshd in testing? |
| 00:16.59 | alvanson | okay? 1.0! |
| 00:17.04 | thomas_adam | smacnay_: apt-get install clue |
| 00:17.26 | mickeyks | yeah...that was one reason to move to sarge for me. though lately i mostly use links |
| 00:17.37 | iLLPoTaTo | is there a command for userinfo? |
| 00:17.47 | peterS | JoshTriplett: well, speaking only for myself, I think it unbearably comical that python programmers are so insecure about the acceptance of their favorite language that they almost *always* feel the need to advertise its use in that way |
| 00:18.10 | mickeyks | iLLPoTaTo: in general? |
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| 00:18.14 | jeanpoldeux | sussudio: hey, your stat page about the chan is *really* nice. Pleased to see that I'm n°6... I'll probably disappear for four weeks, to re-born. |
| 00:18.19 | alvanson | moz 1.0 seems okay... just occasionally do I get webpages that tell me that my browser is not supported (meanwhile it'll support communicator 4.7) |
| 00:18.42 | iLLPoTaTo | mickeyks: yeas, to see his gid, comment, username |
| 00:18.42 | iLLPoTaTo | etc |
| 00:19.02 | jeanpoldeux | sussudio: how often is it actualised ? |
| 00:19.08 | mickeyks | iLLPoTaTo: oh. i dunno. |
| 00:19.09 | alvanson | iLLPoTaTo: id ? |
| 00:19.23 | alvanson | iLLPoTaTo: for example "$ id alvanson" |
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| 00:19.41 | alvanson | iLLPoTaTo: that'll get you gid, etc |
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| 00:20.06 | Mag007 | what is JDB barrier? |
| 00:20.06 | alvanson | then "cat /etc/passwd | grep 'username' " would work too |
| 00:20.38 | peterS | alvanson: getent passwd username |
| 00:20.45 | JoshTriplett | peterS: It seems to me that most languages other than C seem to follow the same pattern. |
| 00:20.47 | peterS | alvanson: ^^^ better than grep from /etc/passwd (: |
| 00:20.52 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Not to mention desktop environments. |
| 00:20.55 | alvanson | peterS: ooo |
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| 00:21.05 | alvanson | spiffy! |
| 00:21.09 | peterS | JoshTriplett: there are a great number of perl programs out there that aren't named foo.pl or plfoo |
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| 00:21.18 | victor_ | hey uh |
| 00:21.21 | thomas_adam | Kkrap |
| 00:21.22 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Witness the JBlah, GBlah, KBlah, Blah++. |
| 00:21.25 | JoshTriplett | peterS: True. |
| 00:21.36 | victor_ | i'm about to download debian and i noticed there are 6 or 7 isos |
| 00:21.37 | peterS | JoshTriplett: yeah, java programmers are just as insecure as python programmers, true |
| 00:21.48 | victor_ | can i just download 1 or 2 without having half a system? |
| 00:21.55 | thomas_adam | peterS: Either that, or they lack the creativity to think of a better name. |
| 00:21.56 | jeanpoldeux | victor_: only 1. |
| 00:21.56 | JoshTriplett | victor_: Yes. |
| 00:22.00 | JoshTriplett | victor_: Get the first one. |
| 00:22.02 | victor_ | ah thanks guys |
| 00:22.02 | peterS | JoshTriplett: as for the Blah++ thing, I don't see it much in C++ programs - mostly in C++ *wrapper libraries* and such, where the language choice actually *is* relevant |
| 00:22.04 | alvanson | victor_: there are net-install ISOs that work too |
| 00:22.10 | alvanson | saves d/ling 650 mb |
| 00:22.10 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Right. Good point. |
| 00:22.12 | victor_ | and then i update with apt-get? |
| 00:22.14 | alvanson | instead 100 |
| 00:22.17 | alvanson | victor_: yes |
| 00:22.25 | victor_ | alright guys, thanks |
| 00:22.36 | peterS | JoshTriplett: and yes, the KDE name scheme is just as annoying as the python app name scheme (: |
| 00:22.39 | victor_ | and the latest is woody 3.0_r2? |
| 00:22.42 | JoshTriplett | peterS: On the other hand, pydance did a nice job: they themed it with a snake on a dancepad. |
| 00:22.45 | jeanpoldeux | yeah, a new conversion ;) |
| 00:22.48 | victor_ | latest stable, that is |
| 00:22.50 | alvanson | victor_: yes |
| 00:22.52 | victor_ | ah |
| 00:22.53 | victor_ | yes |
| 00:22.54 | victor_ | good |
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| 00:23.04 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: :) |
| 00:23.08 | peterS | JoshTriplett: well, I've never tried any of the DDR clones, so I'll just take your word for that |
| 00:23.41 | alvanson | I finally got everything working on my machine (at the same time) |
| 00:23.48 | mickeyks | everything? |
| 00:23.49 | alvanson | couldn't do that with sid... something would always break |
| 00:23.57 | JoshTriplett | peterS: AFAIK, there are only two Free ones: stepmania and pydance. And the graphics from stepmania are non-free and non-distributable. (Blatantly ripped from the game itself.) |
| 00:23.59 | alvanson | mickeyks: well okay |
| 00:24.07 | alvanson | mickeyks: everything that I wanted on my machine |
| 00:24.09 | alvanson | to work |
| 00:24.13 | peterS | JoshTriplett: ah, right, I have heard that |
| 00:24.19 | peterS | JoshTriplett: maybe my next perl application, I'll use a prefix "jy" or something. just to confuse people. |
| 00:24.37 | JoshTriplett | peterS: It's actually quite fun, both on the keyboard and on a pad. |
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| 00:24.55 | victor_ | ..this channel has more people in it than gentoo |
| 00:25.00 | victor_ | er |
| 00:25.04 | victor_ | #gentoo :D |
| 00:25.07 | JoshTriplett | peterS: You look at it, and you think "that's stupid". I did. Then I tried it. :) |
| 00:25.10 | alvanson | I used to use gnetoo |
| 00:25.12 | alvanson | oops |
| 00:25.12 | peterS | hehe |
| 00:25.18 | alvanson | s/gnetoo/gentoo/ |
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| 00:25.24 | victor_ | i've used gentoo |
| 00:25.30 | JoshTriplett | !typosmite alvanson |
| 00:25.39 | alvanson | no! |
| 00:25.42 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: :) |
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| 00:26.30 | alvanson | btw, anybody know of a good webmail program dealy that lets the users use a number of SMTP servers? |
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| 00:26.49 | alvanson | OR |
| 00:27.13 | alvanson | n/m the OR |
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| 00:27.56 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Hmmm. Web-based ssh to mutt? :) |
| 00:28.15 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Seriously, do squirrelmail and IMP not do that? |
| 00:28.24 | alvanson | well... I'll explain what I want to do (squirrelmail doesn't do that) |
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| 00:28.30 | alvanson | haven't tried imp |
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| 00:29.05 | alvanson | okay... I have three e-mail accounts. fetchmail brings in the mail from these accounts and drops it into my maildir (all three into the same) |
| 00:29.31 | t-jack | Hey, my gnome menory usage guage is set for free, not used. With all I got running, it reads 110 meg... Das gut, ja? |
| 00:29.53 | JoshTriplett | t-jack: Depends on how much memory you have. :) |
| 00:29.54 | alvanson | but when I send mail (I use mozilla mailnews or thunderbird, depending on what system I'm on), if I want it to be from my ISP account, it must be sent from the ISP's SMTP server |
| 00:29.55 | pipeline | I guess. I never have any memory free. |
| 00:29.57 | mwilson | No, not particularly. |
| 00:30.10 | alvanson | if I want it sent from my university account, it must be sent from the uni's SMTP server |
| 00:30.11 | alvanson | etc. |
| 00:30.18 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Right. |
| 00:30.24 | alvanson | (changing the from: header is easy enough) |
| 00:30.33 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Or, from an SMTP server that allows you to do whatever you want. |
| 00:30.45 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: yeah... that'd be the third option ;) |
| 00:30.47 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Meaning your own. |
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| 00:30.53 | alvanson | yes |
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| 00:31.04 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Heavy authentication and encryption please. :) |
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| 00:31.09 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Don't run an open relay. |
| 00:31.28 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: well |
| 00:31.48 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: I have to use a username/password to send mail from my SMTP server |
| 00:31.58 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: using exim-tls |
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| 00:32.06 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Sounds sufficient. |
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| 00:32.18 | t-jack | Is Debian still more Gnome- than KDE- friendly? |
| 00:32.28 | jeanpoldeux | t-jack: uh ? |
| 00:32.28 | JoshTriplett | t-jack: No. |
| 00:32.35 | JoshTriplett | t-jack: Never were. |
| 00:33.02 | jeanpoldeux | t-jack: debian is from base console friendly. |
| 00:33.11 | zobel | if a package calls debconf in preinst, does it need to Pre-Depend on debconf? |
| 00:33.12 | Georgia | lo |
| 00:33.18 | t-jack | I recall a while back Debian had issues over KDE's attitude toward licensing. |
| 00:33.42 | JoshTriplett | t-jack: That's not an issue of "friendly", that's an issue of "we can't legally distribute this". |
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| 00:34.03 | JoshTriplett | t-jack: As soon as KDE was legally distributable, it was included. |
| 00:34.07 | jeanpoldeux | Is that about this qt libraries ? |
| 00:34.13 | JoshTriplett | jeanpoldeux: Yes. |
| 00:34.16 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: but I don't want to use that server for two of my accounts |
| 00:34.20 | pipeline | yeah, back in the day they had "interesting" license conditions |
| 00:34.24 | t-jack | JoshTriplett: The issues were settled, then? |
| 00:34.27 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: mail from my smtp server gets spam filtered out |
| 00:34.29 | JoshTriplett | t-jack: Yes. |
| 00:34.34 | n00b | i´m completly happy with my debian router box BUT the only thing i´m missing now is a ftpclient with a gui ... i´m thinking now of kde/gnome with remote login to it from a win system. the router is a 233 p1 with 64 mb ram and a 40 gb hd. do you think this system fits for my purpose ? |
| 00:34.35 | t-jack | Cool |
| 00:34.45 | jeanpoldeux | n00b: gftp |
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| 00:34.54 | JoshTriplett | t-jack: TrollTech graciously dual-licensed Qt under the GPL and their own license. |
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| 00:35.49 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Ah. You're in one of the evil blacklists? |
| 00:35.50 | t-jack | JoshTriplett: If that was the issue, and solved long ago, I'm surprised I didn't catch it. |
| 00:35.54 | n00b | jean : kde / gnome is not installed |
| 00:35.59 | pipeline | JoshTriplett: One wonders why they waited for controversy to reach a fever pitch and fork the most prominent project before making the license change |
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| 00:36.02 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: yeah... the residential IP address "blacklist" |
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| 00:36.18 | JoshTriplett | !lart blacklists |
| 00:36.32 | alvanson | dangus |
| 00:36.33 | jeanpoldeux | n00b: nothing to do with gnome or ftp. |
| 00:36.45 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Verizon's mail server is in a blacklist as well. |
| 00:36.46 | jeanpoldeux | n00b: nothing to do with gnome or kde. |
| 00:36.50 | alvanson | lol |
| 00:36.54 | initech | alvanson: sucks to have a shitty isp ... dhcp? |
| 00:37.05 | t-jack | n00b: Just X+windowmanager... |
| 00:37.10 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Fortunately, most sane servers just make that a minor SpamAssassin score increase. |
| 00:37.10 | n00b | jean : i see ... x ist required |
| 00:37.11 | mike_25 | I'm trying to instal some wireless lan drivers but it says libc6 is too old. I tried to update through apt but it says it's the latest version. What should i do? |
| 00:37.18 | alvanson | initech: uhm... Peter... about those TPS reports... |
| 00:37.27 | JoshTriplett | mike_25: What wireless lan card? |
| 00:37.31 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: not hotmail.com! |
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| 00:37.42 | JoshTriplett | !lart hotmail.com |
| 00:37.43 | mike_25 | Senao NL2511-cd ext2 (Prism2 chip) |
| 00:37.49 | jeanpoldeux | n00b: don't ever think install kde or gnome with 64 ram |
| 00:37.52 | t-jack | n00b: That's windowmanager... not Windowmaker :) |
| 00:37.53 | JoshTriplett | Whoa, that was harsh. |
| 00:38.02 | JoshTriplett | Not that I'm complaining. |
| 00:38.03 | alvanson | owchage |
| 00:38.09 | jeanpoldeux | ouch |
| 00:38.14 | elench | ola .. does OUTPUT in iptables mean outgoing connections or ? the man seems to talk only about fragments |
| 00:38.16 | n00b | t-jack : would be the best to put keyboard/mouse/monitor to the box again for x installation doesnt it ? |
| 00:38.19 | alvanson | initech: VDSL |
| 00:38.31 | pipeline | n00b: Don't listen to them. With plenty of swap space, you should be fine if you use KDE or gnome. Just don't try using them both at the same time :P |
| 00:38.41 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Do you regularly send mail to people on hotmail? |
| 00:38.41 | Covener | n00b: not if you're just pitting x clients on |
| 00:38.43 | alvanson | initech: not complaining about the ISP (massivley super fast) |
| 00:38.47 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: yes |
| 00:38.51 | jeanpoldeux | !destroy pipeline |
| 00:38.52 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: How fast? |
| 00:39.00 | initech | alvanson: luckily, my dsl provider sells me a static and lets me do whatever I want |
| 00:39.06 | deadcat | gmail is over-rated. |
| 00:39.13 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: hmm |
| 00:39.25 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: one sec, can't remember the exact number |
| 00:39.30 | elench | mm deadcat is everywhere :P |
| 00:39.45 | jeanpoldeux | pipeline: are you... euh... stupid ? In what is it interresting to use swap all the time ? |
| 00:39.46 | n00b | pipeline : its really only for gftp via remote desktop .. nothing more |
| 00:40.26 | pipeline | jeanpoldeux: Using ONLY gnome apps or ONLY kde apps, you should be able to keep enough libraries in memory to avoid thrashing. |
| 00:40.30 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Anyway, my suggestion would be to set up your mail server to allow you to send mail to you%your.isp.com@your.home.box , and have it sent on appropriately. |
| 00:40.39 | iLLPoTaTo | how can you find out were certain packages are installed from apt-get |
| 00:40.42 | pipeline | jeanpoldeux: Swap is there for a reason. 64M isn't really enough to run anything at all. |
| 00:40.54 | initech | iLLPoTaTo: dpkg --get-selections |
| 00:40.54 | n00b | and of course when i close the remote connection to x gftp should keep runnung |
| 00:40.55 | jeanpoldeux | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.59 | alvanson | somebody told me I could access my gmail stuff via POP3 |
| 00:41.02 | alvanson | but I don't think you can |
| 00:41.11 | pipeline | jeanpoldeux: Using swap and thrashing aren't the same thing. |
| 00:41.16 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: I believe there's a proprietary Windows program to do so. |
| 00:41.24 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: ugh! |
| 00:41.24 | initech | pipeline: with 64MB he better get used to window maker or something |
| 00:41.25 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Site scraping, basically. |
| 00:41.25 | jeanpoldeux | pipeline: false. you can run fluxbox fine with 64 Megs |
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| 00:41.33 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: So in other words, "no". |
| 00:41.34 | stew | alvanson: there isn't pop, but there are screen scrapters out there that will automate retreiving messages |
| 00:41.35 | JoshTriplett | :) |
| 00:41.36 | alvanson | JoshTriplett: similar to gotmail |
| 00:41.36 | pipeline | jeanpoldeux: Yes, but sooner or later, you have to run applications. |
| 00:41.39 | alvanson | ? |
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| 00:41.42 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: Right. |
| 00:41.45 | t-jack | pipeline: With only 64 meg RAM,. he might should go X+fluxbox+non-dte-specific... |
| 00:41.50 | jeanpoldeux | pipeline: yes ? and ? |
| 00:42.00 | jeanpoldeux | pipeline: gtk apps. |
| 00:42.01 | pipeline | jeanpoldeux: In which case, you will be loading large numbers of libraries regardless. And unshared libraries are just wasted memory. |
| 00:42.02 | sub_pop | how can i make permanent changes to HAL device properties? is it possible? |
| 00:42.21 | alvanson | schazpot! |
| 00:42.23 | n00b | i REALLY do not need anything of kde /gnome instead of the remote login to it for gftp |
| 00:42.23 | jeanpoldeux | pipeline: gtk libraries are shared libraries. |
| 00:42.27 | alvanson | can't find out the speeds on my DSL |
| 00:42.32 | alvanson | I'm assuming 256*3 |
| 00:42.32 | De_Mon | HAL? am i in #windows? |
| 00:42.45 | pipeline | jeanpoldeux: Yes, but most GTK apps use at least a few gnome libraries anyway. |
| 00:42.46 | alvanson | because it was about 256kbps, then they made it 3 times faster |
| 00:42.46 | initech | n00b: what do you mean for "gftp"? |
| 00:42.57 | JoshTriplett | alvanson: I personally have 768/256. |
| 00:42.58 | alvanson | and I'm pretty close to the station |
| 00:43.06 | alvanson | brb, rescuing cat |
| 00:43.09 | t-jack | n00b: Isn't there a non-KDE or non-Gnome rdesk app? |
| 00:43.12 | n00b | initech : read above plz ... my 3 lines |
| 00:43.16 | jeanpoldeux | n00b: plug your mouse, keyboard, install x-window-base and gftp, and it's fine. |
| 00:43.16 | JoshTriplett | t-jack: I think so. |
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| 00:43.32 | n00b | jean : thing so too |
| 00:43.33 | initech | JoshTriplett: a local guy is about to start selling 3M/384 for 60/mo static ip |
| 00:43.37 | JoshTriplett | t-jack: rdesktop protocol specifically, or just that functionality. |
| 00:43.39 | JoshTriplett | ? |
| 00:43.46 | alvanson | back |
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| 00:44.02 | JoshTriplett | initech: Heh. I'm waiting for the FTTP rollout: 15Mb symmetric for $50/mo. |
| 00:44.12 | t-jack | JoshTriplett: Ask n00b that. I'm just the resident Fool. |
| 00:44.14 | scarynetworkguy | !uyh is http://www.scarynetworkguy.net/photo_album.0.html.1.html |
| 00:44.14 | dpkg | okay, scarynetworkguy |
| 00:44.19 | pipeline | initech: There's a company based in NC that sells DSL in most places with a static IP, 3m/768 |
| 00:44.23 | initech | n00b: if you're running gftp on the remote machine you don't need anything but X windows locally |
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| 00:44.34 | jeanpoldeux | pipeline: No No NO. Don't try that with me, I'm running fluxbox, mozilla, bluefish, etc. and I don't have a piece of gnome on my comp. |
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| 00:44.51 | pipeline | jeanpoldeux: Mozilla uses more memory on my machine than all gnome apps combined. |
| 00:44.51 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: Schweet. :) |
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| 00:44.54 | initech | pipeline: how much? (I strongly prefer to go with locals / non-mega corps) |
| 00:44.55 | scarynetworkguy | !gtk |
| 00:44.56 | dpkg | from memory, gtk is GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit. You probably want to "apt-get install libgtk1.2-dev", or now at version 2, which may be installed with "apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev". libgtk1.2 is GTK+, libgtk2.0 is GTK2. They are NOT compatible. They are totally separate.. |
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| 00:45.12 | n00b | initech : and of courese a piece of server that gives me remotelogin on x with a fitting win client |
| 00:45.17 | pipeline | initech: It was 60$ a month here, but it would have required me to have a phone line from $local_pigopoly, so I went with cable. |
| 00:45.21 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett: a friend of my made it on afternoon. :) |
| 00:45.26 | scarynetworkguy | one |
| 00:45.30 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: Very nice. |
| 00:45.40 | pipeline | initech: Let me look up the company |
| 00:45.44 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett: thanks I'll tell him |
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| 00:45.51 | initech | n00b: if you have a shell you can just use ssh |
| 00:45.58 | pingouin | i just can keep my own menu after an update-menus even after create my own..someone have id about ? |
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| 00:46.10 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: BOfH Magic. :) |
| 00:46.12 | initech | n00b: no one does X windows over the internet anyway (that's sane) |
| 00:46.13 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett: we've thought about making more and printing them off for fun at work :) |
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| 00:46.18 | n00b | initech : i can login onto x with putty ? |
| 00:46.23 | guestish | initech: over the intranet maybe |
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| 00:46.29 | cafuego | initech: I do, with vnc. |
| 00:46.30 | alvanson | anyone able to get backports.org's firefox to work under woody? |
| 00:46.32 | guestish | n00b: maybe if you have a 20 megabit connection ;) |
| 00:46.32 | n00b | initech : intranet |
| 00:46.37 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: GUI widget incompatibility... phah. There should be a client in KDE32-33 to access Project Gutenburg... |
| 00:46.41 | n00b | 100 mbit |
| 00:46.47 | guestish | n00b: that'll work |
| 00:46.56 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: Actually, with that kind of talent, perhaps you could get him to make a set of card images for one of the various programs out there. |
| 00:46.57 | initech | n00b: no, you log into the machine with putty; if there is an xserver running on your pc yes, you can run gftp from there |
| 00:47.06 | guestish | n00b: vnc works wonders |
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| 00:47.19 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: I thought that was the one that talked about how gtk != gnome |
| 00:47.22 | initech | n00b: unless their ssh daemon restricts X |
| 00:47.29 | initech | n00b: which is possible |
| 00:47.31 | mike_25 | How do I upgrade to testing from stable? |
| 00:47.38 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Huh? |
| 00:47.41 | mike_25 | I need to install some packages but they're in testing |
| 00:47.44 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett: that would be cool. But he just bought a house and has *no* time anymore |
| 00:47.46 | guestish | !stable -> testing |
| 00:47.50 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 00:47.57 | guestish | !woody -> sarge |
| 00:47.58 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: Still, tell him thanks for the great laugh. |
| 00:48.01 | guestish | hrm... |
| 00:48.04 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett: I will |
| 00:48.07 | JoshTriplett | !stable->testing |
| 00:48.14 | alvanson | there we go |
| 00:48.15 | guestish | !test |
| 00:48.15 | dpkg | Yes, guestish, you're still online. |
| 00:48.17 | Covener | pipeline: know the name of of the company selling the reasonably priced high speed dsl? |
| 00:48.18 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: the gtk factoid right? |
| 00:48.19 | mike_25 | hmmm |
| 00:48.25 | guestish | !woody->sarge |
| 00:48.28 | guestish | nope, nothin |
| 00:48.38 | JoshTriplett | guestish: It is stable->testing. |
| 00:48.43 | JoshTriplett | Oh, wait, I forgot. |
| 00:48.44 | alvanson | mike_25: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 00:48.48 | JoshTriplett | guestish: blootbot bug. |
| 00:48.49 | guestish | JoshTriplett: i didnt see it |
| 00:48.50 | alvanson | there |
| 00:48.54 | guestish | JoshTriplett: k |
| 00:49.00 | JoshTriplett | guestish: ! doesn't work with factoids that have > in them. |
| 00:49.08 | guestish | JoshTriplett: really? didnt know that |
| 00:49.11 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: I was commenting off the factoid, yes, but refering more to Qt and prj Guten |
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| 00:49.19 | JoshTriplett | guestish: It's in the topic of #debian-bots |
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| 00:49.32 | JoshTriplett | guestish: And ->, sorry, not just >. |
| 00:49.33 | guestish | JoshTriplett: like i go there =P |
| 00:49.44 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Like I do either. :) |
| 00:49.48 | JoshTriplett | guestish: Visited once. |
| 00:49.49 | guestish | :) |
| 00:49.50 | JoshTriplett | guestish: :) |
| 00:50.00 | streuner | try "@" |
| 00:50.00 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: I dunno. Do the Gutenberg folk have some Qt deal that I don't know about? |
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| 00:50.28 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: There was a client app that requires Qt2. |
| 00:50.42 | streuner | @woody->sarge |
| 00:50.46 | mike_25 | Hm, whenever i try to use apt-get it gives me a message about some package having unmet dependencies, even though I decided not to install that package. Is there a way to clear it? |
| 00:50.54 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: ahh now I get it. I just download the .txts myself |
| 00:51.00 | mike_25 | nvm |
| 00:51.02 | mike_25 | -f |
| 00:51.10 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: Ditto. |
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| 00:51.24 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Qt2 and Qt3 cannot co-exist on the same system... kinda like gtk1 an gtk2. :) |
| 00:51.38 | directhex | gtk1 and gtk2 can coexist fine |
| 00:51.51 | directhex | that's the point, they're seperate of each other |
| 00:51.51 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: yea that I knew. So basically upgrading KDE dorks the client, eh? |
| 00:51.53 | ninja_ | dict cumbersom |
| 00:51.57 | ninja_ | doh |
| 00:52.03 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Yeah |
| 00:52.12 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: that would suck |
| 00:52.13 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: dorks, that the new bork? |
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| 00:52.29 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: i like it! :) |
| 00:52.37 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: I've always said dork but most folk use bork |
| 00:52.50 | Dickie | quick question: how do I set up X so that it runs a number of scripts and/or programs when I login to a user acct through gdm? |
| 00:52.57 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: heh |
| 00:53.01 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: I know one other person who consistently uses "dork up". :) |
| 00:53.13 | n00b | to summarize : i only have to install x and gftp ? |
| 00:53.14 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett: sounds like a smart guy. :) |
| 00:53.27 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~bart/ , and yes. |
| 00:53.30 | pipeline | Covener: Looks like they changed their offers. Used to be brit-sys.net in NC. Now it's 70$ a month for 1500/768. When I looked a couple months ago, it was 60 for 3000/768 :( |
| 00:53.42 | jeanpoldeux | n00b: yep. |
| 00:54.00 | scarynetworkguy | good god my buddy is gettng that from Qwest for $37 |
| 00:54.09 | n00b | jean : vnc works good for remote desktop ? |
| 00:54.12 | sussudio | !britsmite brit-sys.net |
| 00:54.15 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Frankly, I dunno wtf I'd even do in ptj Guten, except maybe look at a few Egypt papyrii. I dunno what all's available. I think I'm starting to rely too heavily on DTE... |
| 00:54.21 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: My university actually offers an "Open Source Software Development" class, and he's the professor. |
| 00:54.23 | jeanpoldeux | n00b: yes. |
| 00:54.37 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: I like gettng the old Tarzan and Mars books. :) |
| 00:54.43 | n00b | yes : does it use encrpyted transfer like putty with ssh ß |
| 00:54.44 | n00b | ? |
| 00:54.48 | scarynetworkguy | JoshTriplett: very cool |
| 00:54.51 | Covener | pipeline: thanks for the info |
| 00:54.51 | sussudio | scarynetworkguy: qwest is a haven for spammers, flooders and other assorted fucktards. |
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| 00:54.59 | JoshTriplett | n00b: No, but you can tunnel VNC over ssh. |
| 00:55.03 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: ??? They've catalogued comic books??? |
| 00:55.16 | n00b | jean : sounds complicated |
| 00:55.19 | JoshTriplett | t-jack: No, books. |
| 00:55.20 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: true but they do have cheap bandwidth. Of course that just about describes every isp over here. :) |
| 00:55.26 | strubbel | hi, i'm new to irc can anyone tell me how to get a list of topics ? |
| 00:55.33 | jeanpoldeux | n00b: do you know what tab-completion is ? |
| 00:55.46 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: ah old Burroughs texts, huh? |
| 00:55.47 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: no Burroghs the originals |
| 00:55.59 | n00b | jean : of course one the things i love most at bash |
| 00:56.04 | JoshTriplett | strubbel: What do you mean? |
| 00:56.13 | jeanpoldeux | n00b: then use it in irc. |
| 00:56.31 | n00b | jeanpoldeux : =) |
| 00:56.31 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Had me thinking they'd corrupted their mission. ;) |
| 00:56.36 | jeanpoldeux | n00b: type jean<TAB> to see, it's magic. |
| 00:56.44 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: if I could get DSL I'd go with speakeasy they are about the only ISP that really has a clue. |
| 00:56.51 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: hehe |
| 00:56.55 | n00b | jeanpoldeux : got it thnx |
| 00:57.00 | initech | scarynetworkguy: yes, they seem very professional |
| 00:57.11 | strubbel | JoshTriplett: if i type e.g. /join #debian i get here, but there must be other chats, or am i wrong |
| 00:57.19 | scarynetworkguy | initech: we use them for ~100 dialup accounts at work and they rock |
| 00:57.26 | initech | scarynetworkguy: usually local businesses may not be that clueful, but they sure are easy to work with |
| 00:57.27 | JoshTriplett | strubbel: /list |
| 00:57.41 | scarynetworkguy | initech: yup I started out at a small ISP. :) |
| 00:57.45 | initech | scarynetworkguy: and they'll usually do anything for you |
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| 00:57.47 | JoshTriplett | strubbel: But be careful;; there are thousands of channels onn Freenode. |
| 00:58.01 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Still, their mission is to catalog repositories of EVERYTHING ever been printed... including Magic: The Gathering cards? |
| 00:58.13 | strubbel | JoshTriplett: uhh :) |
| 00:58.17 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: I dunno |
| 00:58.34 | strubbel | JoshTriplett: thanks |
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| 00:58.56 | t-jack | initech: Now we got phone and catv companies... |
| 00:59.14 | De_Mon | initech and it was synomous with BBS |
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| 00:59.23 | initech | t-jack: it's fucking horrble, i worked for a cable isp a while back, gofd they were so fucking stupid |
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| 00:59.50 | jeanpoldeux | woaw they are more on #gentoo than here... maybe because they all have problems... |
| 00:59.54 | t-jack | initech: Mediacom, perchance? |
| 00:59.54 | initech | De_Mon: nah, it was as internet as any university account, just not so fast :) |
| 01:00.00 | initech | t-jack: Cox |
| 01:00.11 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Mission Of Burma? |
| 01:00.27 | t-jack | initech: At least there's no monopoly... |
| 01:00.45 | initech | t-jack: they are a monopoly in most areas they service |
| 01:00.53 | alvanson | I liked gentoo, but I came back to debian because I'm a consistency freak |
| 01:01.32 | t-jack | initech: But Cox and Mediacom compete (yeah right), so there's basically no monopoly... |
| 01:01.36 | initech | gentoo doesn't have the social stability of debian but it does semm admirable technically |
| 01:02.33 | alvanson | that too |
| 01:02.49 | alvanson | I also like running > 2 year old daemons |
| 01:02.55 | alvanson | mmm... samba 2.2.3a |
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| 01:03.07 | t-jack | initech: Same type of logic I heard this morning when Edwards was arguing for beefing up Homeland. |
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| 01:03.33 | initech | alvanson: lol, well you could always compile samba from source, the tarball will generate a deb for you |
| 01:03.33 | jeanpoldeux | ah ok, they are talking about how to use google on gentoo. :p |
| 01:03.50 | initech | t-jack: ? |
| 01:03.55 | alvanson | initech: yeah, but then I wouldn't be using pure woody |
| 01:04.11 | alvanson | then again, I'm using sane and gphoto2 from backports.org |
| 01:04.41 | initech | alvanson: well if you're samba server was for ~1000 users or so you would probably go get the tgz |
| 01:04.43 | initech | :) |
| 01:04.48 | alvanson | ... and clamav and spamassasin |
| 01:04.50 | alvanson | yeah, it's for me |
| 01:04.54 | t-jack | initech: USA is finally reaping the spurious benefits of Oglethorp's Boatlift. And taking the rest of the world with it. |
| 01:04.55 | alvanson | for the other computer (printer sharing) |
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| 01:05.15 | alvanson | finally got that all working today |
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| 01:05.19 | initech | t-jack: didn't catch the reference ... |
| 01:05.21 | alvanson | turns out Norton Internet Security was in the way |
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| 01:06.12 | t-jack | initech: The logic that says since there are at least two catv ISPs, there cannot be a monopoly. |
| 01:06.36 | alvanson | hopefully he finds that terminal |
| 01:06.48 | initech | t-jack: of course not, I could go clear across the country to get different cable service!!! |
| 01:07.55 | t-jack | initech: This same logic mechanic has Demo's arguing not whether but how we should beef up Homeland... |
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| 01:08.16 | initech | t-jack: the obvious answer to me is that it should be disbanded |
| 01:08.29 | t-jack | initech: I'm telling you... |
| 01:09.11 | initech | t-jack: while it's still young |
| 01:09.52 | initech | the only person to do something like that would be kucinich, who hasn't a prayer of being president |
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| 01:10.07 | Wind2 | However, the ./debian/changelog file exists, and has a different value >>> make-kpkg says that... after make-kpkg clean too... |
| 01:10.28 | t-jack | initech: Caught it on CNN or something when I went to pay Mediacom. I bit my tongue off to avoid a discussion all Mediacom employees are brainwashed not to understand anyway. |
| 01:11.43 | initech | t-jack: the two party system just plays good cop bad cop with the US; the only result is more unneeded authority |
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| 01:12.56 | d | what is the best way to install perl 5.8 via apt in debian woody 3.0 ? |
| 01:13.06 | peterS | d: to what purpose? |
| 01:13.16 | t-jack | initech: Maybe... I just got a popup from Homeland Security... |
| 01:13.30 | peterS | d: what do you need perl 5.8 for? I ask because if you need it for other debian packages, that's different from if you need it for some perl work you are doing independently |
| 01:13.32 | d | peterS: for the develps |
| 01:13.33 | t-jack | initech: Joking about the popup... |
| 01:13.38 | initech | d: backport perhaps, but that's major, I wouldn't do it |
| 01:13.50 | d | yeah. .i thing the same way |
| 01:13.53 | initech | t-jack: not for long! :) |
| 01:13.55 | initech | :( |
| 01:13.56 | d | but developers are asking for that |
| 01:14.07 | initech | d: ah shit |
| 01:14.24 | peterS | d: one option is to install it locally in /usr/local/, compiling from source |
| 01:14.25 | initech | d: well you have your work cut out for you |
| 01:14.45 | initech | d: problem is all the modules, which could be trivial, depending on your needs |
| 01:14.54 | peterS | d: debian packages will not be affected, but your developers can use #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w in their scripts |
| 01:15.07 | initech | d: you can just do /usr/local and use cpan you know |
| 01:15.21 | d | yes.. i ll use peters ways |
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| 01:15.35 | d | thanks guys |
| 01:15.43 | alvanson | /usr/local is super |
| 01:16.06 | initech | i haven't touch my /usr/local in ages ... 'cept for data |
| 01:16.18 | t-jack | initech: Long litany of current abuses and supposed incompetance, most or all feels very Hegelian... |
| 01:16.59 | initech | t-jack: ah ... it's just plain old Machiavellian, nothing too sophisticated :) |
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| 01:17.36 | pulaski | Hello, I got rooted last week. I just finished my woody reinstall and updates for security and apps. Now, for my first time, I'm trying to upgrade my kernel by building a new one from source. My current kernel is 2.4.18. There is a debian kernel source package for 2.4.19 but the kernel.org latest source is 2.6.7. As a newbie, which kernel source will give me the increased security I need and still let me use the debian kernel-package to do it? |
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| 01:18.06 | t-jack | initech: Two unrelated incidents which together make a third possible, and cannot be attributed to chance. Sounds Machiavelian to -me-... |
| 01:18.08 | d | pulaski: try 2.6.7 |
| 01:18.18 | alvanson | hmm |
| 01:18.27 | pulaski | thanks for the tip d |
| 01:18.32 | alvanson | pulaski: out of curiosity, how'd you get rooted? |
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| 01:19.10 | initech | pulaski: 2.4.19 should be fine if you wish to be conservative, it should have all the patches, security wise |
| 01:20.05 | d | sorry, but there are some holes up to 2.4.24 or something like that |
| 01:20.34 | initech | d: the security team will patch the version used, not update versions |
| 01:20.42 | pulaski | as far as I know i had a few open ports eg. ftp, telnet, ident, talk, ntalk and finger. When I tried to login as root later I found my login disabled. I could only login as a user in x. |
| 01:20.43 | d | nice one |
| 01:21.05 | jeanpoldeux | d: there are some holes in 2.6.7 that we don't already know. |
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| 01:21.22 | gothtec | pulaski: do not use root in x |
| 01:21.24 | d | heh.. because that i use openbsd in my servers ;) |
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| 01:21.42 | pulaski | no I wasn't root in x gothtec. |
| 01:21.52 | pulaski | I was able to login only as user i x |
| 01:22.03 | initech | d: check http://www.debian.org/security/2004/ if you're worried |
| 01:22.06 | pulaski | I couldn't login at all as root |
| 01:22.12 | gothtec | thus, you tried using root in x. i just told you not to |
| 01:22.13 | d | initech: good tip |
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| 01:22.41 | t-jack | pulaski: Security lockout can suck when you need to do graphic maintainance... |
| 01:22.45 | guestish | and i've done it twice |
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| 01:23.09 | pulaski | no gothtec, I have never tried to be root in x. after my login was disabled I was only able to login as user in x |
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| 01:23.35 | initech | d: there is nothing wrong with using vanilla 2.4.26 sources either |
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| 01:23.52 | EMH_Mark3 | oi.. can anyone clue me as to how to serve asp.net pages with mod_mono? I installed the mod_mono + asp.net-examples packages but now I'm stuck heh. |
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| 01:24.14 | badnelkeress | is there any particular reason I would be getting kernelbadness |
| 01:24.19 | gothtec | pulaski: so user is not you, and user is not root. who the hell is user? are you logging on as other people? |
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| 01:24.25 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: caught mono, eh? |
| 01:24.42 | pulaski | no user is me when I'm not root gothtec |
| 01:24.43 | initech | badnelkeress: yes, it's a feature, just keep upgrading :) |
| 01:24.46 | jeanpoldeux | !moron pulaski |
| 01:24.47 | dpkg | pulaski: You are moron #40 |
| 01:24.49 | EMH_Mark3 | not me, thankfully. friend of mine needs it for some reason. |
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| 01:25.15 | gothtec | pulaski: so you figured out that you could not login as root without trying to login as root. fine. |
| 01:25.28 | alvanson | stop trying to confuse people! AHH! |
| 01:25.36 | pulaski | yes at a console gothtec |
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| 01:25.47 | badnelkeress | I think I'm going to go down a coupla releases |
| 01:25.55 | FsckIt | alvanson: trying I'm not worried about.. it's when he starts *succeeding* :-) |
| 01:25.58 | initech | wtf stupid shit are you people arguing abuot? |
| 01:26.03 | alvanson | okay |
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| 01:26.32 | gothtec | pulaski: i am thoroughly confused. let me just finish doom 3, and I'll try to figure it out |
| 01:26.32 | t-jack | initech: Logging into X as rootuser... |
| 01:26.42 | baver | I have exim4 installed on my debian box. All of a sudden last night, local and non-local e-mail stopped being deliverred with a "retry timeout exceeded" error. Anyone know what gives? |
| 01:26.45 | badnelkeress | eeew |
| 01:26.50 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: well, I don't know much about mod_mono, but I know a bit about apache in general... is it loading the module ok? |
| 01:27.08 | mwilson | baver: Your ISP start blocking port 25? |
| 01:27.22 | badnelkeress | logging into X as root is like going to a bingo hall old and naked |
| 01:27.30 | kingsley | baver: I suggest searching google for that error message. |
| 01:27.49 | baver | mwilson: nope, I can telnet port 25 from another box on the net fine. It receives e-mail from other sources, but then times out when trying to deliver them (to local mailboxes on that box) |
| 01:27.57 | FsckIt | badnelkeress: so, you care more about other people logging into X as root, rather than yourself? |
| 01:28.07 | baver | kingsley: I have, but all I can find is other e-mails with the same message |
| 01:28.19 | EMH_Mark3 | FsckIt: hm not sure.. but there's this line in the error.log, so I'm guessing that yes > [Mon Aug 2 19:57:05 2004] [notice] Apache/1.3.31 (Debian GNU/Linux) PHP/4.3.8 mod_mono/1.0 configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 01:28.22 | initech | mechan0r: well I believe everyone here has probably logged into X as root at least once, so, that's pretty scary |
| 01:28.36 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: well.. that looks promising |
| 01:28.38 | baver | kingsley: err, returned e-mails with that message |
| 01:28.45 | mechan0r | FsckIt I'm in winders by necessity not choice |
| 01:28.51 | jeanpoldeux | baver: like your pop server has problems. |
| 01:29.05 | EMH_Mark3 | heh. but when I try to view the example pages I just get mixed html and asp code |
| 01:29.08 | t-jack | pulaski: All rootuser maintenance should be done upon a <shutdown> cmd. |
| 01:29.20 | kingsley | baver: Perhaps you could 1.) Search both google's web and usenet archives and 2.) make the search more specific by adding keywords like "fixed" or "worked" or "caused". |
| 01:29.25 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: well, you tell apache to use mod_mono on .asp pages? |
| 01:29.30 | baver | jeanpoldeux: pop server? what does a pop server have to do with it? it doesn't even get past exim's queue |
| 01:29.40 | baver | kingsley: tried that too, but I'll try again |
| 01:29.47 | alvanson | that's the one good advantage to stable |
| 01:29.51 | pulaski | hmmmmm t-jack thanks |
| 01:29.51 | EMH_Mark3 | FsckIt: er... no? how do I do that? |
| 01:29.54 | jeanpoldeux | baver: ah ok. the nthink about what you changed the last night. |
| 01:29.56 | alvanson | it never changes (thus, stuff breaks less often) |
| 01:30.08 | baver | jeanpoldeux: nothing, I havn't touched the server since Friday |
| 01:30.11 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: AddHandler, I think |
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| 01:30.28 | kingsley | baver: Or by picking a keyword that's common to returned emails, like "return" or "bounce" and excluding results with them with "-". |
| 01:30.46 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_mime.html |
| 01:30.48 | jeanpoldeux | baver: you changed nothing, and in one second, it stops to deliver emails ? |
| 01:31.02 | mechan0r | initech whenever someone does something securitically ignorant I always talk about the old naked bingo people it has the same effect as goatse but subliminally so they probably won't ever do it again |
| 01:31.03 | t-jack | pulaski: All other root access should be accomplished through a *su util. |
| 01:31.20 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: that, and 'Action', it seems |
| 01:32.00 | mechan0r | debian-installer was quit helpful |
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| 01:32.13 | baver | jeanpoldeux: at 9:00 this morning, while I was at work, the first e-mail was frozen |
| 01:32.21 | t-jack | mechan0r: What's this about old naked goats at bingo parlors? |
| 01:32.46 | FsckIt | baver: 3 minutes on 40% in the microwave... should do it |
| 01:32.48 | baver | checked my e-mail before that, and everything was fine .. havn't received anything since |
| 01:32.49 | mechan0r | see now you've destroyed it go sit in the corner |
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| 01:33.30 | baver | FsckIt: I favour heating them on a fresnel ;) |
| 01:33.49 | FsckIt | baver: *shrug* whatever works |
| 01:33.59 | kingsley | mechan0r: How well did debian-installer detect your hardware? |
| 01:34.06 | mechan0r | you know what now that I think of it I will send anyone who sends me anymore pr0n to goatse using window.reload() |
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| 01:34.16 | FsckIt | kingsley: it said, "yep, you've got hardware" :-) |
| 01:34.38 | pulaski | t-jack: thanks, mostly I do su, however I sometimes login to one console as root to do specific maintenance tasks and another as user for other purposes. I didn't think that being root as the result of a login or an su made any difference, either way I'm only root when I need to do something only root can do. |
| 01:34.45 | mechan0r | kingskey famously for drivers that are in the mainline tree drivers that are not... well not so famously |
| 01:34.51 | t-jack | FsckIt: Wow man, that's powerful... |
| 01:34.54 | EMH_Mark3 | how can I tell which modules are loaded? |
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| 01:35.26 | mechan0r | lsmod |
| 01:35.45 | EMH_Mark3 | I mean which apache modules heh |
| 01:36.07 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: um, not sure.. try going to http://localhost/server-status |
| 01:36.14 | t-jack | FsckIt: I want a program that smart... |
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| 01:36.46 | FsckIt | t-jack: #!/bin/bash |
| 01:36.54 | FsckIt | t-jack: echo "You've got hardware!" |
| 01:37.06 | FsckIt | t-jack: exit |
| 01:37.27 | t-jack | bashscript is fun. |
| 01:37.32 | FsckIt | t-jack: :-) |
| 01:38.44 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: or I guess you could always 'grep Module httpd.conf' |
| 01:38.55 | t-jack | FsckIt: I have one called aabuild. It dl's kernel and alsacvs srcfile, dies upon kernel config and doesn't work again til you del those sourcefile. |
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| 01:39.24 | FsckIt | t-jack: well, that sounds vaguely broken |
| 01:39.33 | Pinoy | hello ... |
| 01:39.52 | baver | kingsley: nothing :/. Maybe I should be more specific. The messages iin the queue are replies to the source, saying "retry timeout exceeded...". Those e-mail aren't delivered out either. |
| 01:40.16 | t-jack | Yeah. Pity. Seemed my best chance to get alsa for my AudigyLS. |
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| 01:40.27 | FsckIt | baver: have you tried googling on that error message, by the way? |
| 01:40.46 | baver | FsckIt: over the past two hours I have been |
| 01:40.50 | Pinoy | as a newbie i have a question that may be obvious or not ... I just installed debian woody at home but i don't have internet connection there. I wonder if there is anyway to download backports on iso image CD so i can use apt-get to install new programs (i'm interested on Gnome 2.2 or 2.4) |
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| 01:41.05 | t-jack | FsckIt: But then, I can't even get alsa to work for a sbLive. |
| 01:41.27 | guestish | Pinoy: you can use apt-proxy i think and bounce your connection through another computer |
| 01:42.01 | guestish | pingouin: meaning you can use another computer to download the files from apt, if thats the problem |
| 01:42.03 | starshine | Pinoy: or apt-move and fill up a CD with packages from a machine that's connected more often |
| 01:42.04 | guestish | oops |
| 01:42.16 | guestish | Pinoy meaning you can use another computer to download the files from apt, if thats the problem |
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| 01:42.53 | starshine | guestish: apt-proxy presumes a connection, just the proxy has a nicer fatter one. |
| 01:43.03 | guestish | starshine: does it? |
| 01:43.13 | starshine | I use apt-proxy around here |
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| 01:43.20 | X_Entity | apt-cdrom |
| 01:43.22 | guestish | Pinoy: alright, ill bite, why dont you have an internet connection on that computer |
| 01:43.22 | X_Entity | ?? |
| 01:43.31 | guestish | starshine: hows it work? |
| 01:43.34 | starshine | it's nice when lots of systems will update - keep a healthy semi-local repository |
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| 01:43.42 | t-jack | Heh! Comedy sketch on the versitility of the word 'f*k', on netradio... |
| 01:43.45 | starshine | but for a machine without ANY net it's not any better |
| 01:43.50 | Pinoy | i mean that i don't have internet in my house where i have debian. In my office i dont have linux. So, i was thinking to download packages to a cd and then take that cd home ... |
| 01:43.58 | guestish | t-jack: its been on the internet for a while |
| 01:44.08 | guestish | Pinoy: ah |
| 01:44.19 | Pinoy | i don't have inet at home since i don't even have phone line :D |
| 01:44.22 | BrianR___ | Can someone tell me how to get md software raid arrays to autostart with the debian 2.6.7 kernel package? |
| 01:44.30 | guestish | Pinoy: if i were you, i would install colinux on your work comp if you can then use apt-cdrom in it to get packages |
| 01:44.30 | EMH_Mark3 | damn this isn't working x_O |
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| 01:44.37 | t-jack | guestish: I'm sure, and I've heard variants elsewhere/when, just now was my first here. |
| 01:44.38 | guestish | !tell guestish about colinux |
| 01:44.46 | guestish | t-jack: :) |
| 01:44.57 | BrianR___ | It appears that the md stuff in 2.6.7 is compiled as a module, so I'd assume it would be the initrd's job.. |
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| 01:45.14 | Pinoy | mmm, colinux .... i'll check what colinux is |
| 01:45.18 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: well.. what have you done? |
| 01:45.21 | guestish | Pinoy: alright :) |
| 01:45.21 | PoonJ | hey guys..I added an entry to /etc/modutils |
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| 01:45.28 | PoonJ | how would I be able to recreate the modules.conf file? |
| 01:45.32 | PoonJ | whats the command I enter for that? |
| 01:45.53 | EMH_Mark3 | FsckIt: tried adding handler to config.. for some reason the index.asp isn't being used as default page even tho I added the line for that |
| 01:46.27 | guestish | Pinoy: ah, its apt-zip |
| 01:46.30 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: well, does it interpret the asp, or does it still show the source? |
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| 01:46.54 | EMH_Mark3 | still see source |
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| 01:46.59 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: oh, and stupid question.. but, did you restart apache after changing the config file? |
| 01:47.48 | samid | guys |
| 01:47.55 | EMH_Mark3 | of course :) |
| 01:47.57 | samid | hey |
| 01:48.01 | Pinoy | guestish: apt-zip? i'm getting lost ... I'm downloading now colinux ... and then I guess that i can download packages with colinux to the pc, burn a cd and port that cd to mh linux box ... |
| 01:48.09 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: well, you know you gotta ask |
| 01:48.13 | Pinoy | and i guess is then when i sould use apt-zi |
| 01:48.19 | Pinoy | apt-zip* |
| 01:48.23 | guestish | Pinoy: ya, apt-zip is an easy way to move packages using cdroms and still have dependency management and all that |
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| 01:48.39 | guestish | Pinoy: whatcha think of colinux? |
| 01:48.40 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: any sort of virtual host or anything like that going on, that might mess it up? |
| 01:48.48 | vchrizz | uhm, how can i display a logfile on my terminal, and everytime something is being appended to the file, it should display it... ? |
| 01:48.57 | FsckIt | vchrizz: tail -f |
| 01:48.58 | lucas | vchrizz: tail -f |
| 01:49.05 | Pinoy | whatcha think? sorry, i didnt understand that |
| 01:49.07 | vchrizz | ah, ok, thx :) |
| 01:49.12 | starshine | Pinoy: yes, apt-zip would work great |
| 01:49.13 | EMH_Mark3 | there are virtual hosts, but I'm trying this stuff on the main, non-virtual one |
| 01:49.18 | guestish | vchrizz: or open it with less then shift+f |
| 01:49.28 | guestish | vchrizz: i prefer that one cause you can scroll :) |
| 01:49.29 | D251 | im plannin on running couple of debian desktops at my office... |
| 01:49.48 | D251 | what is the best way to install them? and keep them upto 2date? |
| 01:49.50 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: well, that's just something else you always gotta watch out for with apache |
| 01:49.51 | vchrizz | ya, i too want to scroll up, if i want to |
| 01:50.07 | D251 | should i run a local mirror site? |
| 01:50.24 | D251 | or apt archive site ? |
| 01:50.39 | vchrizz | guestish: does it jump down again, when there is something appended, while im scrolling somewhere to top? |
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| 01:51.17 | guestish | vchrizz: shift+f makes it go into tail mode, you cant scroll in that mode, but you can do control+c at any time to scroll then do shift+f to go back into tail mode |
| 01:51.31 | guestish | vchrizz: try it |
| 01:51.56 | Pinoy | guestish: ok, i'm installing colinux now (debian) in my Pc ... Now, once it's installed i should download the packages with apt-zip? |
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| 01:52.09 | guestish | Pinoy: install apt-zip and follow the directions given |
| 01:52.14 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: ok.. I'm looking at a bit of the documentation... you have ModMono.dll around somewhere? |
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| 01:52.25 | vchrizz | guestish: ah, cool :D |
| 01:52.26 | vchrizz | thx |
| 01:52.28 | tak | man... |
| 01:52.29 | guestish | vchrizz: np :0 |
| 01:52.30 | banuaba | Does apt have a java package in it? apt-cache search showed me about 50,000 things, none of which really seemed to be the right thing |
| 01:52.31 | guestish | :) |
| 01:52.47 | D251 | whats the best way to install debian pkgs on multiple machines.. |
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| 01:52.49 | D251 | ? |
| 01:52.57 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: actually.. here.. http://serial.n6k.com/archives/000068.html |
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| 01:53.33 | guestish | vchrizz: its cooler than tail -f, even though it does essentially the same thing |
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| 01:54.18 | EMH_Mark3 | hmm.. does that module even work with apache 1.x x_o |
| 01:54.20 | gandy909 | I give up. what do I have to do to create an extended partition when installing Woody? |
| 01:54.30 | tattoo | hey guys! |
| 01:54.36 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: shrug |
| 01:54.46 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: I dunno |
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| 01:54.54 | victor_ | so uh |
| 01:54.57 | victor_ | i got debian installed |
| 01:55.02 | victor_ | but i am using a 2.2 kernel |
| 01:55.03 | ApTek | Congrats |
| 01:55.04 | victor_ | ... |
| 01:55.07 | initech | gandy909: it's been a while, but doesn't woody's installer just start cfdisk? you can do whatever from there |
| 01:55.14 | victor_ | thats kinda annoying |
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| 01:55.31 | t-jack | Are there any chemistry majors out there? |
| 01:55.39 | victor_ | is there any way to update the entire system to the latest packages? |
| 01:55.49 | FsckIt | t-jack: I'm sure there are |
| 01:56.08 | initech | victor_: yes, always, atp-get update && apt-get (dist)upgrade |
| 01:56.12 | FsckIt | t-jack: I mean, universities have chemistry departments, after all |
| 01:56.13 | t-jack | FsckIt: I meant currently onchannel... |
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| 01:56.23 | t-jack | This channel |
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| 01:56.28 | victor_ | thanks |
| 01:56.29 | tattoo | someone has told me here that there is a way to compile a kernel safelly - apt-cache show <something>...can someone help me about this question? |
| 01:56.30 | victor_ | brb |
| 01:56.41 | FsckIt | tattoo: kernel-package |
| 01:56.46 | sdirector | tatoo: kernel-package |
| 01:56.56 | tattoo | thanks! ;) |
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| 01:57.26 | gandy909 | initech: yeah I'm in cfdisk. I've tried creating both a primary AND a logical partition and setting the type to extended and the message appears "cannot change FS type to extended" |
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| 01:57.44 | girlie_men | tatoo: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 01:57.49 | t-jack | FsckIt: Guess not... :/ |
| 01:57.51 | initech | gandy909: FS Type? |
| 01:58.09 | NachPlus | how can I my system to recalculate free space on a FAT32 partition? |
| 01:58.17 | initech | well you gotta create the extended before creating any logical ones ... is that what you're doing? |
| 01:58.24 | guestish | NachPlus: it should know it automatically, df -h |
| 01:58.33 | NachPlus | guestish, it's wrong |
| 01:58.40 | guestish | NachPlus: well it shouldnt be |
| 01:58.40 | initech | gandy909: it should have anythig to do with filesystems |
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| 01:58.43 | NachPlus | I just deleted a few large files, and it still syas the same size |
| 01:58.49 | victor_ | uh |
| 01:58.50 | initech | ^should^shouldn't |
| 01:58.52 | victor_ | that didn't actually go and update my packages |
| 01:58.54 | victor_ | like |
| 01:59.00 | victor_ | i want a system update |
| 01:59.09 | initech | victor_: what branch are you running? |
| 01:59.10 | guestish | NachPlus: do df, it might be small files :) |
| 01:59.20 | guestish | victor_: apt-get update; apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 01:59.24 | victor_ | uh |
| 01:59.25 | victor_ | stable |
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| 01:59.45 | sdirector | victor_: there might not be anything to update |
| 01:59.46 | initech | victor_: well stable doesn't get updated with new packages, that's why they call it "stable" |
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| 01:59.57 | NachPlus | I deleted 2GB worth, it wasn't small files |
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| 02:00.04 | guestish | NachPlus: well reboot =P |
| 02:00.11 | victor_ | you mean i'm stuck with old packages? |
| 02:00.21 | initech | victor_: if you want a constant forward rolling mass of free software, you use sid - at your own risk |
| 02:00.21 | victor_ | hi |
| 02:00.22 | gandy909 | initech: I hit N for new. Then I can choose from Primary and Logical. I've tried both. Then I hit t for Type |
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| 02:00.26 | guestish | victor_: until september rolls around, yes |
| 02:00.34 | NachPlus | guestish, so now that we've come to agree it's wrong, how can I have it recalculated without rebooting? |
| 02:00.52 | sdirector | victor_: you can upgrade to newer .. try sarge or sid |
| 02:00.55 | pattern | i'm seeing some overruns in my ifconfig output... what could be the cause? |
| 02:01.06 | guestish | NachPlus: i've never had that problem, i know you can use hdparm to reread your partition table, but i dont know about rereading sizes |
| 02:01.07 | expnet | er der en dansker der kan hjælpe mig her inde |
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| 02:01.25 | victor_ | interesting |
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| 02:01.36 | t-jack | expnet: You speak Danish too? |
| 02:01.36 | victor_ | sdirector: where can i get these? |
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| 02:02.00 | guestish | victor_: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 02:02.01 | sdirector | victor_: edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 02:02.06 | guestish | victor_: but beware |
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| 02:02.19 | elench | ola , any iptables knowleadgable person around ? |
| 02:02.24 | expnet | yes I'am danish write DK |
| 02:02.30 | sdirector | victor_: change stable to testing |
| 02:02.43 | sdirector | victor_: then run apt-get update ; apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 02:02.48 | sdirector | victor_: then go get some coffee. |
| 02:02.56 | victor_ | thanks |
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| 02:03.12 | guestish | victor_: np :) |
| 02:03.13 | initech | my take on all that is if you don't know how to change stable to "sid" you probably shouldn't |
| 02:03.16 | t-jack | expnet: This is english-only channel. |
| 02:03.22 | expnet | er der nogle der kan hjælpe mig |
| 02:03.25 | t-jack | expnet: This is english-only channel. |
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| 02:03.31 | mirak | hi |
| 02:03.35 | sohail | hi can someone explain this message when running make menuconfig? it seems to be trying to use config from my 2.4 kernel: /boot/config-2.4.26-1-386:2159: trying to assign nonexistent symbol BLUEZ_HCIUSB |
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| 02:03.41 | EMH_Mark3 | hm.. "The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later." |
| 02:03.44 | expnet | http://www.debian.org/support.da.html |
| 02:03.44 | mirak | anyone know a snmp brute force ? |
| 02:03.44 | tattoo | which command should i use in order to format a disket? |
| 02:03.48 | EMH_Mark3 | well that's a step forward.. I think |
| 02:03.58 | mirak | anyone know a snmp brute force programm to find the community string ? |
| 02:04.03 | expnet | find is room |
| 02:04.04 | sdirector | tattoo: format to do what? |
| 02:04.08 | expnet | on link |
| 02:04.09 | expnet | http://www.debian.org/support.da.html |
| 02:04.17 | expnet | DK on link |
| 02:04.18 | NachPlus | figured it out |
| 02:04.25 | NachPlus | fsck.vfat |
| 02:04.26 | peterS | tattoo: 'superformat' from fdutils |
| 02:04.32 | NachPlus | Reclaimed 313701 unused clusters (844709888 bytes). |
| 02:04.42 | initech | mirak: yes, find a desparate person and hire them for $3 an hour to type randon shit into snmpget |
| 02:04.47 | t-jack | expnet: #debian-dk |
| 02:04.49 | Pinoy | wit cfdisk i create one Win95 FAT32 partition. However I thinks it's not formatted. How can i format that partition? and then ... what type should i write on fstab in order to be able to mount it? thanks |
| 02:04.53 | NachPlus | although there should be more free than that |
| 02:05.14 | FsckIt | initech: monkeys... you need a lot of monkeys |
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| 02:05.16 | guestish | Pinoy: mkfs.vfat i think |
| 02:05.21 | Covener | Pinoy: mkfs.vfat -F32 |
| 02:05.21 | tattoo | sdirector: just clear a disk..not the hd -- i mean the 1.44MB unit |
| 02:05.22 | michal | the_vult: are you here? |
| 02:05.23 | peterS | Pinoy: mkfs.vfat from dosutils |
| 02:05.26 | tattoo | peterS: thanks |
| 02:05.27 | expnet | t-jack no |
| 02:05.27 | michal | obviously not |
| 02:05.31 | BRONK | 12 : Invalid device requested |
| 02:05.33 | expnet | channel |
| 02:05.35 | mirak | initech, ah password generator ? |
| 02:05.35 | BRONK | 12 : Invalid device requested |
| 02:05.43 | mirak | I might write one |
| 02:05.52 | michal | anyone here use the integrated graphics on an intel 865g motherboard with either the framebuffer or X ? |
| 02:06.01 | mirak | I think I already wrote one in pascal ^^ |
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| 02:06.03 | t-jack | !britsmite expnet |
| 02:06.03 | expnet | t-jack: on channel #debian-dl |
| 02:06.07 | peterS | 19 : Invalid question for channel |
| 02:06.09 | Pinoy | peterS: from dosUtils? sorry, where is dosUtils? |
| 02:06.15 | peterS | Pinoy: it's a package |
| 02:06.25 | sdirector | mirak: there's a good perl password gen lib |
| 02:06.28 | BRONK | sorry, grub error 12: Invalid device requested. i can't figure out what to do. |
| 02:06.37 | BRONK | i'm having trouble pasting with bitchx |
| 02:06.39 | S2K | im having a problem installing fvwm... dpkg gives me an error about it not being able to config |
| 02:06.43 | expnet | sorry bye bye |
| 02:06.45 | Pinoy | ok, i will install that package and try that |
| 02:06.45 | michal | geeze.. irssi sucks for screen formatting :/ |
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| 02:06.52 | mirak_ | sdirector: I don't know perl |
| 02:07.09 | sdirector | mirak_: well, that would be an impediment. |
| 02:07.10 | expnet | t-jack ses you thank |
| 02:07.21 | expnet | help me |
| 02:07.27 | S2K | does anyone know what i can do to fix this? |
| 02:07.41 | sdirector | mirak_: if you just need the gen program, I've got one, but if you actually want to program it, I guess that wouldn't help |
| 02:07.41 | expnet | t-jack: ses you thank help me |
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| 02:08.31 | mirak | sdirector, well I have a snmp brute force programm that only need a file with passwords |
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| 02:08.37 | initech | mirak: can i ask WHY you want to brute force snmp community strings? |
| 02:08.38 | mirak | sdirector, so this interest me |
| 02:08.41 | BRONK | why would fdisk -l not post anything? |
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| 02:08.56 | mirak | initech, you should ask WHAT I want to break |
| 02:09.00 | mirak | :) |
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| 02:09.12 | mirak | initech, thats my cable modem |
| 02:09.12 | initech | mirak: well? |
| 02:09.17 | vchrizz | can someone reach this ip? 213.94.74.251 - - [03/Aug/2004:04:06:15 +0200] "GET /download/FloydSSH.jar HTTP/1.1" 200 68371 "-" "-" 0 drei.onetrix.net "-" |
| 02:09.17 | vchrizz | 0 |
| 02:09.28 | toresbe | X_Entity: Ping?? |
| 02:09.29 | vchrizz | oh, pasted too much |
| 02:09.33 | mirak | I tough it would be funny to monitor it with cacti |
| 02:09.35 | initech | mirak: oh, well it's proably something like "1234" |
| 02:09.36 | mirak | lol |
| 02:09.41 | mirak | ah ? |
| 02:09.44 | mirak | I try |
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| 02:10.06 | S2K | anyone willing to help me? |
| 02:10.11 | toresbe | Hahaa! I've revived the disk controller on my Siemens 6-611! |
| 02:10.11 | sdirector | mirak: do you want real possible passwords, then? Mine just makes random readable ones. |
| 02:10.29 | mirak_ | sdirector: random |
| 02:10.53 | mirak | initech, héhé 1234 doesn't works :) |
| 02:10.59 | toresbe | Now I have a 10MB HD! |
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| 02:11.08 | initech | mirak: well try "adm1n" then :) |
| 02:11.08 | FsckIt | S2K: well, first of all, I think you need to be more specific about the error |
| 02:11.10 | toresbe | mirak: 0000, and 1111 are frequently used as well |
| 02:11.19 | FsckIt | toresbe: retro! |
| 02:11.33 | toresbe | FsckIt: Ever seen a 6-611? :) |
| 02:11.34 | S2K | fsckit: i tried to install fvwm and i get an error from dpkg saying it cant configure the package |
| 02:11.39 | michal | how depressing :/ intelfb doesn't exist for 2.6.x :( |
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| 02:11.49 | FsckIt | S2K: does it say why? |
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| 02:11.59 | toresbe | michal: Might have been renamed? |
| 02:12.07 | Wind | how can I create a initrdimage of a kernel with mkinitrd ? |
| 02:12.12 | initech | michal: i compiled 2.6.7 today and it was there ... |
| 02:12.18 | tak_ | hi... i did apt-get install linux-kernel-2.4.18-686 and now my computer doesn't boot anymore... it says it can't mount the root file system... what do I do??? |
| 02:12.20 | gothtec | mirak: i used "qwerty" when I was 12.. |
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| 02:12.29 | toresbe | FsckIt: It yells "retrogeek using me" at the top of its lungue |
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| 02:12.42 | S2K | fsckit: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 02:12.49 | sdirector | tak_: can you boot the old kernel? |
| 02:12.51 | michal | initech: are you sure? i've compiled 2.6.7 about a dozen times in the last few days and I didn't see it there |
| 02:13.00 | tak_ | sdirector: Yes |
| 02:13.01 | FsckIt | S2K: ok, look a little further up... |
| 02:13.05 | animall | anyone recommend a decent p2p app |
| 02:13.07 | tak_ | sdirector: which is why i'm able to irc right now |
| 02:13.13 | sdirector | tak_: gotcha |
| 02:13.22 | initech | michal: i'm almost certain, no easy way at the moment to confirm tho |
| 02:13.29 | tak_ | sdirector: is there a log file that will show the previous reboot? |
| 02:13.39 | sdirector | tak_: your new kernel is an initrd kernel, so the bootloader has to know about this. |
| 02:13.39 | toresbe | FsckIt: Its 8" floppy drive, its 10MB jetplane-spinning-up HD, (the head servo is visible!), its 1m^2 mainboard... |
| 02:13.39 | S2K | fsckit: dpkg: error processing fvwm (--configure): |
| 02:13.42 | toresbe | *sigh* |
| 02:13.51 | tak_ | sdirector: i thought i was supposed to # comment it out |
| 02:14.06 | sdirector | tak_: not for the lines dealing with your new kernel |
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| 02:14.10 | michal | initech: where? it woasn't under framebuffer support along with all the other drivers |
| 02:14.11 | FsckIt | toresbe: no, I've never seen a 6-611 |
| 02:14.11 | EMH_Mark3 | wheee success :D |
| 02:14.14 | EMH_Mark3 | thanks FsckIt :) |
| 02:14.17 | tak_ | sdirector: huh? |
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| 02:14.24 | sdirector | tak_: if you don't load the initrd, your kernel doesn't have any drivers |
| 02:14.30 | FsckIt | S2k: ok, keep looking up |
| 02:14.32 | tak_ | sdirector: ok |
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| 02:14.42 | tak_ | sdirector: how do I have it load the initrd? |
| 02:14.45 | FsckIt | EMH_Mark3: you're welcome... |
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| 02:14.52 | sdirector | tak_: hang on... |
| 02:15.03 | FsckIt | S2K: oh, are you running unstable, by the way? |
| 02:15.08 | initech | michal: sorry, it was i810fb ... |
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| 02:15.44 | sdirector | tak_: you should have a file in /boot called initrd-$something, right? |
| 02:15.57 | S2K | fsckit: yes |
| 02:16.01 | initech | wtf is a 6-611? |
| 02:16.27 | tak_ | sdirector: initrd.img-2.4.18-686 |
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| 02:16.40 | sdirector | tak_: good. now you're going to need to edit /etc/lilo.conf |
| 02:16.41 | fedrina | Do you know if the new chipset 9xx work with linux kernel? |
| 02:16.42 | FsckIt | S2K: ok, then it's most likely a bug in the post-install or so.. have a look at the BTS to see if anyone else reported it |
| 02:17.05 | tak_ | sdirector: the initrd under image=/vmlinuz? |
| 02:17.15 | sdirector | tak_: yes |
| 02:17.27 | michal | initech: yeah. that has nothing to do with the chipset the 865g uses |
| 02:17.32 | tak_ | initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-686 ? |
| 02:17.34 | sdirector | set it to /initd.img-2.4.18-686 |
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| 02:17.51 | sdirector | tak_: acutally, wait, you might be right |
| 02:17.51 | tak_ | no boot? |
| 02:17.57 | tak_ | ok |
| 02:18.01 | sdirector | how are your partitions? |
| 02:18.05 | sdirector | do you have a boot partition? |
| 02:18.05 | tak_ | lilo will should tell me right |
| 02:18.17 | initech | FsckIt: are you in new orleans? |
| 02:18.31 | FsckIt | initech: yep |
| 02:18.34 | tak_ | umm... i know I have a /dev/hda2 ... and /dev/hdb is for /home |
| 02:18.37 | initech | fuckin a |
| 02:18.43 | tak_ | and i think i have a linux swap partition too /dev/hda1 |
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| 02:18.55 | sdirector | tak_: type mount |
| 02:19.04 | FsckIt | initech: why do you ask? |
| 02:19.06 | initech | FsckIt: where you work? |
| 02:19.10 | initech | initech: me too |
| 02:19.15 | sdirector | never mind... put it in as /boot/initrd |
| 02:19.23 | initech | shit |
| 02:19.25 | sdirector | never mind... put it in as /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18... |
| 02:19.27 | tak_ | hda2 on /, proc on /proc, devpts on /devpts, hdb on /home |
| 02:19.28 | initech | FsckIt: me too |
| 02:19.33 | S2K | fsckit: i don't see my bug listed... but i see a similar one, regarding menu-method and dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:19.34 | tak_ | ok |
| 02:19.35 | michal | hmm.. i'm stuck.. looks like i have to install all the X11 crap |
| 02:19.38 | tak_ | run lilo and reboot? |
| 02:19.43 | sdirector | yes. |
| 02:19.46 | tak_ | brb |
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| 02:20.05 | FsckIt | initech: ok.. well, I'm actually on the West Bank.. but you get the idea |
| 02:20.16 | FsckIt | initech: are you a part of nolug? |
| 02:20.28 | toresbe | initech: Siemens timeshared word-processor |
| 02:20.32 | toresbe | initech: 1980s |
| 02:20.33 | initech | FsckIt: errr, nolug? once in a while |
| 02:20.39 | FsckIt | S2K: well, you are running unstable after all.. trace down the bug and submit a patch :-) |
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| 02:21.09 | S2K | fsckit: ive tried to install the stable version and it appears to have the same problem |
| 02:21.24 | FsckIt | initech: oh, ok... just curious |
| 02:21.50 | FsckIt | initech: I thought I might had seen you there |
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| 02:22.04 | initech | FsckIt: i read the mailing list, that's about it |
| 02:22.10 | mike_25 | how do u see what kernel version you're running |
| 02:22.10 | mike_25 | ? |
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| 02:22.18 | BrianR___ | ANyone know how to get md software raid arrays to autostart with the debian 2.6.7 kernel package? |
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| 02:22.46 | FsckIt | S2K: well, I don't know what to tell you beyond that.. sorry |
| 02:22.57 | fedrina | is it possible to copy the system to an other disk? |
| 02:22.58 | S2K | how do i trace bugs |
| 02:23.08 | pngwn | mike_25, uname -a |
| 02:23.57 | initech | S2K: bts show <bugnumber> o just browse the bts |
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| 02:24.41 | sciboy | =( |
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| 02:25.45 | sciboy | = ( |
| 02:25.46 | sdirector | tak_: any luck? |
| 02:26.07 | tak_ | ok it rebooted all the way this time with initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-686 *however* now my network connection is gone! (this is why I *HATE* upgrading my kernel... it always breaks everything that worked before) |
| 02:26.26 | tak_ | sdirector: yeah, getting there... |
| 02:26.36 | sdirector | tak_: I know... but it's not that bad except major versions... |
| 02:26.40 | sciboy | tak_: If it all worked before, why did you upgrade? |
| 02:27.04 | tak_ | sciboy: because everything didn't work before |
| 02:27.15 | sciboy | ? |
| 02:27.21 | sdirector | tak_: so what network card are you running now? |
| 02:27.31 | tak_ | sciboy: it broke everything that worked before, but things that were broken before are now fixed |
| 02:27.34 | sdirector | sciboy: tak_ had major filesystem issues earlier |
| 02:27.43 | sciboy | oh ok. |
| 02:27.45 | tak_ | sdirector: some kind of Amd Pci ethernet card |
| 02:28.05 | sdirector | do a modprobe and see if you can see a module for it |
| 02:28.06 | tak_ | sdirector: is there a way to show my current bootup log? there is a very descriptive name when it boots |
| 02:28.12 | sdirector | dmesg |
| 02:28.27 | sciboy | It sucks having no interests =( |
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| 02:28.44 | deadcat | sciboy: got wireless? ask neighbor (= |
| 02:28.46 | tak_ | eth0: ADMtek Centaur-P rev 17 at 0xfc00 IRQ 9 |
| 02:28.58 | tak_ | tulip.c:v0.91g-ppc |
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| 02:29.14 | sciboy | deadcat? |
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| 02:29.17 | tak_ | 3c59x.c 18Feb01 |
| 02:29.32 | deadcat | sciboy: ya. deadcat |
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| 02:29.35 | tak_ | Is any of this useful, sdirector? Does it tell you how I can fix my network connection? |
| 02:29.36 | sdirector | tak: hmmm... |
| 02:30.05 | sciboy | deadcat: "got wireless" ? "ask neighbor" ??? |
| 02:30.05 | D251 | anyone running a apt-archive locally? |
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| 02:30.24 | deadcat | sciboy: oh. if you have a wireless card. ask your neighbor to share internet with you. |
| 02:30.27 | sdirector | tak_: do you have anything for tulip in your /etc/modules? |
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| 02:30.30 | sdirector | D251: yup |
| 02:30.34 | sciboy | debhelper: Why? |
| 02:30.36 | deadcat | D251: not anymore |
| 02:30.44 | tak_ | sdirector: no, just af_packet |
| 02:30.51 | sciboy | debhelper: I already got the internet...? |
| 02:30.55 | danieru | was nslookup changed to another command? |
| 02:31.00 | sdirector | tak_: add a line with tulip on it in /etc/modules |
| 02:31.06 | FsckIt | danieru: host |
| 02:31.07 | tak_ | just "tulip" that's it? |
| 02:31.11 | danieru | thx. |
| 02:31.12 | D251 | sdirector, : apt-archive used to install debian? |
| 02:31.12 | sdirector | tak_: that's it. |
| 02:31.13 | deadcat | danieru: host/dig |
| 02:31.18 | tak_ | reboot? |
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| 02:31.20 | sdirector | D251: no, not that. |
| 02:31.28 | xam | danieru: nslookup has been deprecated for a long time. use 'host' or 'dig' instead |
| 02:31.28 | danieru | i remember a while back it said nslookup was depracated. |
| 02:31.33 | sciboy | deadcat: I already got the internet...? |
| 02:31.38 | sdirector | tak_: yes. if you still don't have net ... |
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| 02:32.07 | sdirector | try doing 'modprobe tulip; modprobe 3c59x' and then '/etc/init.d/networking restart' |
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| 02:32.18 | xam | sciboy: you *got* the internet? how much did you pay for it? You must be ritch! |
| 02:32.19 | tak_ | ok |
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| 02:32.56 | sciboy | xam: Backbone connections are really really expensive... |
| 02:33.01 | tak_ | btn |
| 02:33.02 | tak_ | brb |
| 02:33.14 | D251 | i want to install debian on couple of machines and keep them upto2date with sid pkgs...what do you guys recommend ? |
| 02:33.25 | ardy | When I try and setup printing to print through a windows box via CUPS and samba using Print Manager in KDE and I try and browse the network to find the printer I get the error NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED.. why?? its an openly shared printer.. |
| 02:33.35 | D251 | mind you..these machines dont have the net...i can hookup 1 machine 2 the net |
| 02:33.42 | JoshTriplett | D251: How many machines? Looking for a central management solution of some kind? |
| 02:34.10 | xam | D251: use 'mirror' to create a local debian mirror ... or use 'apt-proxy' ... |
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| 02:34.14 | D251 | JoshTriplett, : doesnt have to be central management..but i dun want to install deb pkgs by from |
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| 02:34.30 | D251 | xam: apt-proxy sounds intresting...hmm.. |
| 02:34.48 | ardy | actually nevermind.. it magicly works |
| 02:34.51 | xam | D251: I also have a script written myself (/msg nickserv info xam) |
| 02:34.51 | D251 | xam: any idea how big the local deb mirror will b? |
| 02:35.04 | JoshTriplett | D251: I would agree; use apt-proxy. |
| 02:35.13 | xam | D251: a 'testing' mirror (main/contrib/non-free) is 8.1GB |
| 02:35.26 | JoshTriplett | D251: But you won't need nearly that much. |
| 02:35.28 | xam | D251: for i386 alone |
| 02:35.50 | D251 | yer im only interested in i386 |
| 02:35.56 | JoshTriplett | D251: It should be about the size of /var/cache/apt/archives on a normal sid machine that's never cleared the cache. |
| 02:35.57 | xam | D251: and this doesn't contain the deb-src repository |
| 02:36.08 | JoshTriplett | D251: Probably a gig or two at most. |
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| 02:36.18 | tak_ | it works! :) |
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| 02:36.24 | JoshTriplett | xam: Do you run a mirror? |
| 02:36.28 | xam | JoshTripplett: yes |
| 02:36.42 | JoshTriplett | xam: Just out of curiosity, how big is just main for i386? |
| 02:36.50 | tak_ | thanks for your help sdirector |
| 02:36.52 | D251 | what i currently did is downloaded 3 sid isos and extracted the pool dir of all of em |
| 02:36.59 | D251 | and created a little apt archive |
| 02:37.04 | tak_ | i still need to check if the filesystem problems are here... |
| 02:37.05 | xam | JoshTripplet: you are probably right with 1-2GB when it comes to actually *needed* packages, but I mirror the whole 'testing' pool |
| 02:37.06 | D251 | and have it on my web server |
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| 02:37.23 | JoshTriplett | Be back later. |
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| 02:37.49 | sdirector | tak_: no problem! |
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| 02:38.19 | sdirector | tak_: I hope the filesystem works, that's some weird crap |
| 02:38.21 | D251 | xam: when you mirror how much traffic is that? |
| 02:38.24 | _infrared | how do i get aptitude to show me a list of the broken dependency packages? |
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| 02:38.33 | D251 | xam: i mean does it mirror the files you already have? |
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| 02:38.48 | tak_ | sdirector: i will know very soon... compiling apache (which never worked before) will tell me if its working or not :) |
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| 02:39.09 | xam | D251: well, my script mirrors the whole pool directory incrementally, so if you extracted the pool contents from the CDs onto the harddisk, those files are being skipped (if they are not out-of-date) |
| 02:39.36 | tak_ | sdirector: this new kernel feels faster... |
| 02:39.37 | D251 | xam: thats sweet..exactly what i wanted :) |
| 02:39.53 | D251 | xam: i cant get your info ..can you pass the me the url for the script plz :) |
| 02:40.30 | scarynetworkguy | !pz |
| 02:40.31 | dpkg | methinks pz is a Palm utility that allows you to modify, delete, and beam individual Palm files. It also provides exceptional multi-level sorting of files on the device as well as zip and unzip. |
| 02:40.34 | scarynetworkguy | !plz |
| 02:40.34 | dpkg | somebody said plz was german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 02:40.36 | xam | D251: well, can't tell really. I'm using this at the university. But it's usually something like 50 packages a day |
| 02:41.09 | xam | D251: just do a '/msg nickserv info xam' ... there is a pointer to the script |
| 02:42.21 | sdirector | tak_: it should feel much faster |
| 02:42.57 | sdirector | tak_: just wait til you upgrade to 2.6 :) |
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| 02:43.42 | sdirector | tak_: going to store... back in a bit |
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| 02:45.51 | sohail | is there a way to run an xdmcp session inside a window in your current xsession |
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| 02:46.14 | directhex | yes |
| 02:46.17 | tcsetattr | sohail, Xnest with the appropriate -broadcast or -query option |
| 02:46.24 | sohail | ah |
| 02:46.31 | tcsetattr | or -indirect |
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| 02:46.55 | directhex | sohail, easiest is to run "gdmXnest", assuming you use GDM |
| 02:47.06 | directhex | *gdmXnestchooser |
| 02:47.07 | xam | D215: well, it seems the university webserver is down :( |
| 02:47.34 | xam | D215: just a second, I'll DCC you the file |
| 02:47.37 | sohail | oh thats sexy |
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| 02:48.01 | sohail | uh this is weird |
| 02:48.12 | sohail | it seems that alt is pressed magically |
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| 02:48.38 | guestish | sohail: bad keyboard? |
| 02:48.40 | sohail | pressing alt again fixed it... thats weird |
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| 02:48.58 | directhex | sohail, sticky button? |
| 02:49.00 | mike | hey |
| 02:49.04 | sohail | probably |
| 02:49.26 | mike | hey |
| 02:49.27 | scarynetworkguy | directhex: I think he's been to too many "special" websites |
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| 02:50.09 | wind2 | Server refused to allocate pty <<< is this error there, because unix98 pty support required ? |
| 02:50.37 | sohail | is that how they get sticky scarynetworkguy? |
| 02:50.42 | UdontKnow | either unix98 pty or old-style (bsd) pty could not be allocated |
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| 02:50.55 | UdontKnow | wind2: any of those 2 situations can cause this |
| 02:50.56 | wind2 | UdontKnow thank you |
| 02:51.15 | scarynetworkguy | sohail: I dunno :) |
| 02:52.43 | sohail | ok is there some reason i can't left click |
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| 02:54.12 | dabreegster | Hey |
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| 02:54.25 | samuel | hello all |
| 02:54.29 | samuel | ive got a problem |
| 02:54.50 | dabreegster | samuel: dont say youve got a problem, just tell us the problem. just advice. |
| 02:55.05 | samuel | i just lost power while apt/get - how can i find out what apt did or did not do? |
| 02:55.37 | sohail | crap i have a thunrderstorm here probably gonna lose power too |
| 02:55.48 | dabreegster | samuel: well, next time to tell apt-get to get that same stuff, it'll pick off where it left off. but check /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 02:56.08 | dabreegster | samuel: thats where the .deb file are stored before theyre unpacked and set up |
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| 02:56.23 | sdirector | tak_: how's it looking? |
| 02:56.29 | fooz | there any way to run bash as an interactive shell while also having it source a file? |
| 02:56.35 | samuel | dabreegster: is there any apt log i can see to see if it did what i wanted_ |
| 02:56.44 | sdirector | fooz: yes |
| 02:56.59 | dabreegster | samuel: might be, I dont know |
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| 02:57.18 | dabreegster | samuel: dpkg --configure --pending or something like that can configure the packages that were downloaded so far, I think |
| 02:57.20 | fooz | sdirector, how? |
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| 02:58.44 | samuel | dabreegster: ok, thanks |
| 02:58.49 | dabreegster | samuel: No problem |
| 02:58.51 | sdirector | fooz: I've done it before... I'll figure it out in a sec |
| 02:59.48 | sdirector | fooz: um, is this a script you want to run normally at other times? |
| 03:00.01 | fooz | it's just some env vars |
| 03:00.14 | fooz | i want to source them in a new shell |
| 03:00.24 | fooz | do they don't pollute the existing one |
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| 03:00.28 | sdirector | well, you can just start a shell and then source them into it. |
| 03:01.01 | sdirector | or, at the end of the file, add 'exec bash' and then run it |
| 03:01.38 | deadcat | exec bash -l |
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| 03:03.40 | jparez | question about the new installer, does it detect multiple processors for me? |
| 03:04.22 | sdirector | jparez: I do not believe so |
| 03:04.36 | sdirector | jparez: but I haven't played with it in two months |
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| 03:05.00 | jparez | what is their channel? debian-boot? |
| 03:05.05 | sdirector | jparez: I'm fairly sure that when I did, I had to update my kernel afterwards by hand\ |
| 03:05.06 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 03:05.09 | fooz | jparez, why does it need to detect that? |
| 03:05.17 | jparez | just wondering if it would |
| 03:05.19 | fooz | jparez, don't you know if you have more than one processor? |
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| 03:05.23 | jetscreamer | iirc it used an smp enabled kernel |
| 03:05.25 | fooz | jparez, nah, it's entirely the kernel's domain |
| 03:05.35 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 03:05.45 | jetscreamer | #debian-boot |
| 03:05.59 | sdirector | fooz: right, but it would be nice if the installer would install an SMP kernel if you have SMP |
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| 03:06.08 | MING | i'm having trouble viewing the partition table. I tried using fdisk -l and it post nothing. parted print can't find it. what's wrong?? |
| 03:06.11 | wind2 | If I make a new Kernel and say : This I want as module, but I dont load it later --- is this kernel as speedy as a kernel with this option to no ? |
| 03:06.28 | dabreegster | hey, ya know how watch adds 2 extra line before the actual output of the command? (the date & time and a blank space). Any way to remove those and just have the actual output of watch and not that annoying little header? |
| 03:06.58 | mwilson | wind2: Why would it make any difference? |
| 03:07.14 | sdirector | wind2: some people will tell you that non-modular kernels are more speedy, but they can't prove it |
| 03:07.17 | jetscreamer | wind2, given what you mean, and not exactly what you said, yes |
| 03:07.27 | scarynetworkguy | MING: do a df and paste it into #flood |
| 03:07.50 | dabreegster | I can't seem to pipe it to tail or anything |
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| 03:08.20 | sander__ | Is anyone here running gnome under sarge? |
| 03:08.31 | sdirector | sander__: yes |
| 03:08.39 | fooz | The_Vulture, gcc -O99!!!! |
| 03:08.52 | wind2 | so if I dont load the Module, its the same as a Kernel which dont have this Modul or marked it as yes in the config ? |
| 03:09.05 | The_Vulture | fooz: indeed |
| 03:09.13 | fooz | wind2, not always. you have to read the source to find out on a module-by-module basis |
| 03:09.17 | fooz | wind2, does it matter? |
| 03:09.19 | sander__ | sdirector, do you have icons? I keep upgrading thinking it will be fixed maybe there's something wrong with my system. |
| 03:09.30 | wind2 | okay fooz, thanks |
| 03:09.30 | scarynetworkguy | ming what does a cfdisk looks like? |
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| 03:09.59 | sdirector | sander__: I do have icons, but I haven't upgraded in 6 weeks... |
| 03:10.25 | sdirector | sander__: try creating a new user and see if that user has icons |
| 03:10.46 | MING | ok, cfdisk showed the table. |
| 03:10.50 | sander__ | hmm, I haven't had icons and themes always crashes. That's a good idea, thanks. |
| 03:11.04 | sander__ | brb |
| 03:11.10 | sdirector | sander__: if you've been upgrading from old gnomes, your .gnome dir could be borked |
| 03:11.25 | dabreegster | anyone know how to chop off the top 2 lines of the watch command? I cant get it to pipe to tail |
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| 03:11.36 | libpcp | Hello everyone |
| 03:11.36 | scarynetworkguy | !win ming |
| 03:11.37 | dpkg | Congratulations, ming! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 03:12.18 | scarynetworkguy | MING: so were you having a problem or did you just want to see the table? |
| 03:12.19 | sdirector | dabreegster: I don't know watch, but those two lines are probably going to standard error. Try doing watch 2>&1 | less |
| 03:12.34 | MING | well, i don't understand why fdisk wouldn't show it. |
| 03:12.38 | dabreegster | sdirector: its not stderror, its part of the commands output |
| 03:12.40 | libpcp | i compiled my kernel to 2.4 with scsi controller but why is it that my /dev/sda1 was replaced by /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 |
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| 03:12.50 | dabreegster | sdirector: the date&time plus a new line |
| 03:13.22 | sdirector | libpcp: devfs without running devfsd, maybe? |
| 03:13.35 | libpcp | sdirector: how can i fix that? |
| 03:14.12 | scarynetworkguy | MING: did fdisk do anything at all. by the way if you start with scarynetworkguy it will highlight it. |
| 03:14.16 | libpcp | do i have something to enable in my kernel source and compile again? |
| 03:14.17 | sdirector | well, you can try running devfsd, or you can not use devfs in the kernel. I think there's a boot option to disable devfs at boot time. |
| 03:14.53 | sdirector | libpcp: try apt-get install devfsd |
| 03:15.05 | MING | scarynetworkguy, it doesn't show anything. fdisk -l just goes to the next line. |
| 03:15.48 | sdirector | libpcp: OR, diable devfs in your kernel source and recompile. |
| 03:15.48 | scarynetworkguy | MING: what does fdisk -v return? |
| 03:15.57 | MING | scarynetworkguy, v2.12 |
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| 03:17.19 | xerophyte | does anybody use any KVM switch with linux |
| 03:17.20 | scarynetworkguy | ming same version as here. I don't know works fine for me. What fs are you using |
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| 03:17.35 | scarynetworkguy | !tell xerophyte about anybody |
| 03:17.40 | libpcp | sdirector: [*] /dev file system support (EXPERIMENTAL) <--- this should be disable? |
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| 03:17.51 | sander__ | sdirector, thanks. You were right, now I just have to figure out which settings file is messed up. :) |
| 03:17.59 | shadfc | how do i migrate a non-boot partition to raid1? a link would be great |
| 03:18.09 | scarynetworkguy | libpcp: if you gotta ask leave anything that you don't know what it is alone |
| 03:18.12 | jetscreamer | libpcp not in my opinion, but don't enable the one below it (something aobut load on boot) |
| 03:18.12 | dabreegster | Anybody know how to correctly pipe the output of the watch command, which changes, to tail? |
| 03:18.23 | MING | scarynetworkguy, fs? |
| 03:18.24 | jetscreamer | about |
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| 03:18.30 | jetscreamer | file system, dork |
| 03:18.36 | scarynetworkguy | MING: filesystem |
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| 03:18.50 | jetscreamer | i meant that in the friendliest way possible |
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| 03:18.56 | dabreegster | gtg bye |
| 03:19.06 | MING | scarynetworkguy, ext3 |
| 03:19.14 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: isn't that sweet. :) |
| 03:19.26 | ocran | Trying to minimize an instilation, is there a package that removes all of the modules utilities? |
| 03:19.30 | scarynetworkguy | MING: I dunno. My guess is pilot error. |
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| 03:19.55 | sdirector | libpcp: sorry... yes, disable that |
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| 03:20.00 | jetscreamer | does the usual fdisk /dev/hdx work, and then you print the table? |
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| 03:20.21 | libpcp | okay, im compiling the kernel now. let see how it goes |
| 03:20.30 | sdirector | libpcp: good luck |
| 03:20.40 | jetscreamer | compubomb of quake3 fame? |
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| 03:21.23 | ocran | I am trying to get debian below 100 mb, and advice? |
| 03:21.35 | jetscreamer | dselect |
| 03:22.00 | sdirector | dselect, definitely |
| 03:22.10 | mith | apt. |
| 03:22.16 | scarynetworkguy | 10 minutes to wapner |
| 03:22.21 | jetscreamer | aptitude should work too |
| 03:22.28 | jetscreamer | judge wapner? |
| 03:22.41 | jetscreamer | you live for the ppl's court? |
| 03:22.43 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:22.43 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: rainman joke. :) |
| 03:22.53 | Thalias | got to see Judge Wapner |
| 03:23.13 | ocran | jetscreamer, sdirector where your comments of dselect for me |
| 03:23.15 | scarynetworkguy | jetscreamer: I heard that dselect is more l337 than aptitued |
| 03:23.28 | jetscreamer | i love dselect, no joke |
| 03:23.32 | jetscreamer | ocran, yes |
| 03:23.44 | sdirector | ocran: yes. and I love dselect too |
| 03:23.54 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 03:23.55 | sdirector | I can't stand not using dselect |
| 03:24.02 | ocran | As if I should use them? |
| 03:24.30 | sdirector | ocran: yes, use dselect. remove lots of pkgs |
| 03:24.34 | jetscreamer | you can get rid of a bunch of optional packages at the same time with one keystroke |
| 03:24.38 | jetscreamer | what he said |
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| 03:25.12 | scarynetworkguy | ocran: do you want this to just boot or are you planning on doing something with it once it boots? |
| 03:25.19 | jetscreamer | just highlight the section you wanna nuke and hit the _ |
| 03:25.20 | ocran | I see, as of right now I have it at 106 mb, and it plays all my music..... |
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| 03:25.34 | jetscreamer | or the - |
| 03:25.53 | jetscreamer | and those are different and do different things btw |
| 03:26.02 | BlackJudas | What do I need to do to get GNOME able to control the mixer volume? I can control every aspect through alsamixer, yet the actual volume control provided with Gnome cannot modify the volume settings. Err, where have I screwed up permissons :/ |
| 03:26.03 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:26.24 | ocran | scarynetworkguy: It is an mp3 player in my car, it boots off compact flash, and it only has a 128 mb card, but it looks like It is going to work |
| 03:26.34 | jetscreamer | BlackJudas maybe that gnome alsa mixer dunno |
| 03:27.25 | BlackJudas | jetscreamer, yeah... that works, yet the basic one doesn't. |
| 03:27.26 | jetscreamer | !info gnome-alsamixer |
| 03:27.28 | dpkg | gnome-alsamixer: (ALSA sound mixer for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.9.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 03:27.29 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 03:27.34 | jetscreamer | sorry4spam |
| 03:27.42 | ocran | exit |
| 03:27.49 | BlackJudas | /quit |
| 03:27.51 | jetscreamer | quit part |
| 03:28.01 | ocran | Yes, this is my shell ;p |
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| 03:28.06 | frederson | lo all |
| 03:28.18 | xam | ocran: Login: |
| 03:28.25 | mwilson | Ok, howinhell did the busted cron -84 make it to testing? |
| 03:28.38 | jetscreamer | poor qa? |
| 03:28.38 | mwilson | Hm, my bad |
| 03:28.53 | mwilson | No, that's what I get for not reading the WHOLE changelog. |
| 03:29.02 | BlackJudas | Anyone know if there's been an attempt in creating a GPL web panel for ISP's using debian? |
| 03:29.03 | xam | mwilson: hehe |
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| 03:29.24 | mwilson | BlackJudas: Does there need to be one? |
| 03:29.39 | KrytenX | blackjudas: i believe you need gstreamer and the appropriate gstreamer plugin to get the mixer applet to work |
| 03:29.44 | sdirector | night guys |
| 03:29.55 | BlackJudas | mwilson, the market is flooded with commercial crap. I figure there needs to be one to take the 'tards down :P |
| 03:30.10 | BlackJudas | KrytenX, Thanks, I'll give that a shot. |
| 03:30.33 | jetscreamer | In the latest Mozilla Firebird Nightly Build, Web Panels have been added |
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| 03:30.45 | BlackJudas | jetscreamer, web panels? |
| 03:30.53 | zz | Can i update a specified package like gaim through apt ? apt-get install ? |
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| 03:31.06 | jetscreamer | and that was a long time ago so the answer must be 'yes' |
| 03:31.08 | BlackJudas | zz yep sure can. |
| 03:31.11 | g4lt | jetscreamer there is no "latest mozilla firebird nightly build" ;P |
| 03:31.20 | jetscreamer | g4lt right |
| 03:31.33 | libpcp | im planning on setting up a 2 mail servers with the same domain that could handle 4,000 users, 2,000 users for both server, how can i do that, what type of configuration that i need to learn? |
| 03:31.35 | BlackJudas | jetscreamer, naw I'm talking about things like plesk.com, ensim.com, cpanel.com etc. |
| 03:31.39 | jetscreamer | Sunday, August 03, 2003 |
| 03:31.45 | BlackJudas | They all use Red Hat as the basis distro *pukes* |
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| 03:33.05 | zz | the command "apt-get install" install a totally new package , i guess =) |
| 03:33.35 | jetscreamer | apt-get upgrade, apt-get install --reinstall |
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| 03:33.41 | arke | hi |
| 03:33.41 | BlackJudas | Gnome. For its "sound events" seems to want ESD, yet, I don't want ESD am I sol? |
| 03:33.49 | libpcp | jetscreamer: do you know a solution that can work with the plan? |
| 03:34.09 | jetscreamer | libpcp, if i had your job i would find out :) |
| 03:34.17 | jetscreamer | but no not offhand |
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| 03:35.23 | Nach | I just upgraded from Linux 2.4.21 to 2.6.7 and for some reason, I can't mount the partitions on hdb which are all FAT32 or ext3, what can I do to fix it? |
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| 03:35.37 | arke | just downloaded the sarge binary install CD for the sparc and burned it. put it in the sparc, booted it up, and the kernel panic-ed complaining about the lack of init. i'm browsing the CD and I can't find anything that would install (the install/ directory is empty), and google didn't show anything relevant. What can I do to have it install? |
| 03:36.11 | arke | README.txt says boot. |
| 03:36.15 | jetscreamer | arke #debian-boot (sorry i know nothing of sparc myself maybe somebody else) |
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| 03:36.49 | xam | arke: I never used a CD to install linux on a sparc; I always used netinstall |
| 03:37.01 | SharkY | hi |
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| 03:37.15 | jetscreamer | aren't all the sarge installers like a net install? |
| 03:37.22 | jetscreamer | or can you d/l an iso? |
| 03:37.23 | xam | jetscreamer lol |
| 03:37.28 | xam | !lol |
| 03:37.28 | dpkg | somebody said lol was Lamer on Line, or Lamer on Loan [from AOL] |
| 03:37.43 | xam | jetscreamer: I meant netboot |
| 03:37.49 | Nach | in fact, I don't think my CD/DVD drives are working either |
| 03:38.10 | jetscreamer | well i meant full iso anyway :/ |
| 03:38.35 | jetscreamer | nach that's weird. got fs support? |
| 03:38.39 | xam | Nach: make sure you disabled "ide-scsi emulation" for 2.6 ... it's not longer needed and sometimes doesn't work anymore |
| 03:38.40 | arke | its not the full iso --- its the netinstall iso |
| 03:38.48 | Nach | xam: I did |
| 03:39.07 | Nach | jetscreamer, I'm using one supplied with apt-get, so I assume it's included |
| 03:39.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:39.22 | Nach | then again I did mount FAT32 and ext3 parition on hda so it should be working fine :P |
| 03:39.24 | jetscreamer | more like via but ok |
| 03:39.38 | faw | Dante is the best alternative to SOCKS Proxy under Linux? |
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| 03:40.25 | Nach | so what can I do to get my drives back in order? I figure the scsi emulation to pure IDE switch may have done something |
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| 03:43.48 | tak_ | looks like my file system problems have all been solved |
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| 03:44.21 | xam | tak: what was the problem/solution? |
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| 03:44.33 | mrowe | new squirrelmail update in woody... is it broken, or is it just me? I just upgraded, and it fails in post-inst |
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| 03:45.43 | Nach | anyone? |
| 03:45.58 | pattern | i'm seeing some overruns in my ifconfig output... what could be the cause? |
| 03:46.26 | xam | Nach: well, recompile your own kernel (and get the latest sources) and try whether this solves your problem ... |
| 03:46.32 | tcsetattr | Nach, does /proc/partitions show the partitions you're interested in? |
| 03:47.02 | Nach | tcsetattr, yes |
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| 03:47.17 | Nach | and I see a dm-0 and dm-1 which I have never seen before |
| 03:47.27 | tcsetattr | and does file(1) recognize them as filesystems? |
| 03:47.39 | tcsetattr | cat /dev/hdb1 | file - |
| 03:48.23 | Nach | /home/nach> cat /dev/hdb5 | file - |
| 03:48.23 | Nach | cat: /dev/hdb5: Permission denied |
| 03:48.23 | Nach | /dev/stdin: empty |
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| 03:48.37 | jetscreamer | ooo 1 line short |
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| 03:49.47 | Nach | tcsetattr, retried as root, and now I just got something that I can type in |
| 03:49.48 | tcsetattr | Nach, do you really need to show use your "Permission denied" errors? If you can't figure out what you did wrong THAT time, you're hopeless |
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| 03:50.06 | tcsetattr | ok then... did it say ext2 or something similar? |
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| 03:50.10 | Nach | nope |
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| 03:51.01 | tcsetattr | you like keeping us in suspense? |
| 03:51.19 | Nach | I said nope |
| 03:51.23 | pythos | anyone know what apache means by a ".info" file? |
| 03:51.25 | pythos | or, exactly, a "corresponding .info file" ? |
| 03:51.33 | tcsetattr | you still didn't tell us what it said. You're wasting time. |
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| 03:51.44 | Nach | it didn't say anything except give an area to type in |
| 03:52.06 | tcsetattr | an "area to type in"? what the hell does that mean? |
| 03:52.20 | tattoo | hey guys...some problem compiling a new kernel: i remember last time i compile my kernel i had to add a line initrd=/something into the lilo.conf. can someone help me the exactly name to parse? |
| 03:52.32 | Nach | I'm able to type, like it's piping stdin |
| 03:52.53 | samuel | how do i ask apt what package contains such and such file_ |
| 03:53.21 | tcsetattr | you could either read some manu pages and _understand_ what you were supposed to do, or keep guessing until you get it right, or just forget it. |
| 03:53.31 | tcsetattr | samuel, that's what dpkg -S is for |
| 03:53.34 | xam | samuel: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
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| 03:53.50 | Nach | tcsetattr, I typed exactly what you told me except change hdb1 to hdb5 |
| 03:53.52 | difro | samuel: try apt-file |
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| 03:54.02 | samuel | thanks |
| 03:54.22 | tcsetattr | Nach, I doubt you did. look again. |
| 03:54.51 | Nach | root@NachBox:/home/nach# cat /dev/hdb5 | file - |
| 03:54.52 | Nach | <tcsetattr> cat /dev/hdb1 | file - |
| 03:55.02 | coredmp | any design channels in freenode ? |
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| 03:55.18 | coredmp | graphic design that is |
| 03:55.19 | Chewie[] | ok. this question has plagued me forever. how do i set a process a home terminal? e.g. if i start a process on one terminal, how would i 'switch' it to another? |
| 03:55.33 | ardy | does anyone know how to setup a joystick in linux (a logitechwingman force 3D) |
| 03:55.35 | Caelum | Chewie[]: use screen |
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| 03:55.56 | libv | ardy: check kernel documentation |
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| 03:56.08 | Caelum | ardy: try modprobe joydev |
| 03:56.11 | Nach | tcsetattr, so how did I deviate from your instructions? |
| 03:56.11 | ardy | libv: I have it selected in the kernel |
| 03:56.18 | tcsetattr | and when you cat /dev/hd.. | file - it will say something like Linux rev 1.0 ext3 filesystem data (needs journal recovery) |
| 03:56.19 | ardy | its compiled in |
| 03:56.26 | Chewie[] | chewie@thumb ~ $ man screen |
| 03:56.26 | Chewie[] | No manual entry for screen |
| 03:56.36 | tcsetattr | Nach, maybe it's stuck trying to read the partition... |
| 03:56.39 | libv | ardy: i did mention the word documentation, didn't i? |
| 03:56.49 | Chewie[] | hmm. *installs* |
| 03:56.58 | Nach | tcsetattr, so what do I do then exactly? |
| 03:57.04 | deadcat | damn. i am running 5 root-tail(1)s |
| 03:57.11 | ardy | libv... yeah.. just assuming.. |
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| 03:57.35 | tcsetattr | Nach, you could check dmesg for disk errors |
| 03:57.53 | Chewie[] | oo! that's nice! |
| 03:57.54 | ardy | libv: where is the doc? |
| 03:57.58 | Chewie[] | thanks Caelum |
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| 03:58.29 | Caelum | Chewie[]: screen is a wonderful program...can't imagine the last few years without it :) |
| 03:58.39 | Nach | tcsetattr, is this a disk error? |
| 03:58.41 | Nach | device-mapper: error adding target to table |
| 03:58.42 | Nach | device-mapper: : dm-linear: Device lookup failed |
| 03:59.03 | Chewie[] | Caelum: hehe |
| 03:59.03 | libv | ardy: have you tried the directory named Documentation in your kernel source? |
| 03:59.11 | tcsetattr | could be... are you using device-mapper (dm-crypt or maybe LVM) on those partitions? |
| 03:59.32 | ardy | libv: huh... I never new... ;) |
| 03:59.57 | Nach | tcsetattr, no idea, how would I check? |
| 03:59.59 | Caelum | Chewie[]: to get started quickly, grab the sven guckes screenrc, switch your shell to vi mode, and get used to ctrl+a ctrl+<command> where command is c -- create, n -- next, p -- previous, w -- show windows, and <N> for win number |
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| 04:01.48 | ardy | libv: within that dir I'm not seeing a doc on joysticks... what shoul I look for?? |
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| 04:01.58 | tcsetattr | Nach, Nach, what do you have in /dev/mapper? |
| 04:02.10 | Chewie[] | mmmmm |
| 04:02.34 | Nach | a file of type c named control |
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| 04:03.49 | tcsetattr | Nach, why do you have the dev-mapper loading at all? |
| 04:04.00 | Nach | no idea |
| 04:04.14 | Nach | I haven't done much to my system |
| 04:04.23 | tcsetattr | is there anything you _DO_ know? |
| 04:04.35 | Nach | yeah, I know what hardware I have |
| 04:04.35 | sime_ | I have acpid, but i am trying to compile my kernel and the existing kernel doesn't have acpi enabled, so, how did acpi work ? |
| 04:04.39 | Nach | I know english |
| 04:04.53 | Nach | I know that I have no idea how Linux internals work |
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| 04:05.06 | tcsetattr | I still wonder if you really ran "cat /dev/hdb5 | file -" |
| 04:05.09 | ardy | libv:nevermind.. its in the input dir |
| 04:05.20 | thu-s | hey.. how come there is no kernel-image-2.6 in unstable/sparc64? |
| 04:05.21 | Nach | tcsetattr, want me to do it again? |
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| 04:06.03 | tcsetattr | oh, how about cat /dev/hdb5 | file - & ps lp$! |
| 04:06.35 | Nach | root@NachBox:/home/nach# cat /dev/hdb5 | file - & ps lp$! |
| 04:06.36 | Nach | [2] 17854 |
| 04:06.36 | Nach | F UID PID PPID PRI NI VSZ RSS WCHAN STAT TTY TIME COMMAND |
| 04:06.36 | Nach | 4 0 17854 10175 18 0 4120 564 lock_p D pts/3 0:00 file - |
| 04:06.36 | Nach | root@NachBox:/home/nach# |
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| 04:06.41 | tcsetattr | uh oh |
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| 04:07.00 | tcsetattr | you gotta be more sneaky with your pasting |
| 04:07.05 | Nach | I guess |
| 04:07.11 | Nach | what's the max lines here? |
| 04:07.12 | tcsetattr | anyway, that proves you do have a stuck process |
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| 04:07.30 | tcsetattr | 4 lines gets you kicked, even 2 lines gets you yelled at |
| 04:07.36 | Chewie[] | Caelum: well thanks for teh `screen`.. been trying to figure that out FOREVER. heh |
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| 04:07.50 | Chewie[] | later all. time to get some sleep |
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| 04:08.50 | Nach | tcsetattr, so what's the plan now? |
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| 04:09.08 | tcsetattr | well, you should try it with /dev/hdb (no partition number) and see if the results are similar |
| 04:09.08 | concac | yo yo |
| 04:09.14 | concac | anyone uses wmctrl? |
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| 04:09.48 | xodarap37 | greetings all |
| 04:10.11 | Nach | tcsetattr, they are |
| 04:10.12 | kingsley | xodarap37: Hi |
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| 04:10.38 | tcsetattr | Nach, how about dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/null bs=512 count=1 |
| 04:10.41 | mwilson | concac: No doubt someone somewhere does. |
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| 04:11.17 | mwilson | concac: So you leave #openbox, and come here, for what? |
| 04:11.27 | Nach | 1+0 records in |
| 04:11.28 | Nach | 1+0 records out |
| 04:11.28 | Nach | 512 bytes transferred in 0.284622 seconds (1799 bytes/sec) |
| 04:11.35 | mwilson | concac: To get told exactly the same thing? |
| 04:12.06 | tcsetattr | oh, so that works... can you dd if=/dev/hdb5 bs=512 count=1 | file - |
| 04:12.29 | mwilson | I wish 2.6.8 would hurry up and get here already. |
| 04:12.36 | Nach | x86 boot sector, code offset 0x58, OEM-ID "MSWIN4.1", sectors/cluster 32, reserved sectors 36, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, hidden sectors 16128, sectors 40965687 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 9998, reserved3 0x800000, serial number 0x40eeb533, label: " |
| 04:13.03 | xam | mwilson: what's the rush? why not use 2.6.8-rc2 if you need it so urgently |
| 04:13.08 | tcsetattr | well, you've got something there. It's just that cat won't work with it |
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| 04:13.21 | tcsetattr | what happens when you try to mount it? |
| 04:13.31 | mwilson | xam: I don't. I tried to build 2.6.7 and had extremely bad luck with it. |
| 04:13.36 | Nach | mount: /dev/hdb5 already mounted or /mnt/big busy |
| 04:13.42 | mwilson | xam: I've really got no reason to move off of 2.6.5 |
| 04:14.00 | g4lt | thu-s I'm not sure you do: I think there's breakage again |
| 04:14.09 | mrowe | new squirrelmail update in woody... is it broken, or is it just me? I just upgraded, and it fails in post-inst |
| 04:14.16 | jetscreamer | when would you want latex as opposed to any ole thang? |
| 04:14.21 | thu-s | g4lt: I can't see any 2.6 images in unstable |
| 04:14.33 | mwilson | There was no DSA, was there? Why would Woody update squirrelmail? |
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| 04:14.42 | tcsetattr | Nach, all this time and that's your problem? hell, it's already mounted. Or at worst, /etc/mtab is wrong. |
| 04:14.51 | Nach | it's not mounted |
| 04:14.55 | mrowe | mwilson: yes, there was a DSA |
| 04:14.56 | g4lt | thu-s now THAT's not right, I KNOW that all 2.6 kernels aren't broken WRT sparc64 |
| 04:14.57 | thu-s | are there any significant differences between 2.4.26 and 2.6.7 on a router/vpn box? |
| 04:15.00 | Nach | I wouldn't ask for help mounting it if it was mounted |
| 04:15.06 | xam | mwilson: I don't know, but somewhere between 2.6.5 and 2.6.8-rc2 a bug was fixed that caused the TFT screen to switch off (and staying off) when the lid was closed and reopened |
| 04:15.07 | tcsetattr | Nach, are you sure? check /proc/mounts |
| 04:15.13 | Hass | hi, i want to have various distros in the same pc, i'm looking for docs about a good partition order like: boot - hda1, swap - hda5, home - hda6 etc, any help? |
| 04:15.22 | mwilson | xam: Oh, I'd never run 2.6 on my laptop. |
| 04:15.27 | Nach | tcsetattr, not listed |
| 04:15.31 | tcsetattr | Nach, if /proc/mounts is right and /etc/mtab is wrong, then you can just edit /etc/mtab to make it look more like /proc/moutns |
| 04:15.41 | thu-s | g4lt: not right as in there are 2.6 images in unstable or as in there should be some? |
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| 04:15.54 | thu-s | nice domain zuen |
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| 04:16.33 | xodarap37 | does anyone else here run fluxbox or blackbox? |
| 04:16.35 | Nach | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.45 | xam | thu-s not as nice as "evildick.com" |
| 04:16.58 | g4lt | thu-s as in there should be some |
| 04:17.02 | xam | Nach: yes, it should |
| 04:17.26 | g4lt | thu-s I only have academic interest in sparc64, since my sparc64 is unning Soalris |
| 04:18.05 | thu-s | g4lt: I don't have any other sparc64s to compile the kernel on either.. I was hoping to netboot an older U1 after I get this U5 going |
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| 04:18.18 | Nach | tcsetattr, so now what? |
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| 04:19.03 | tcsetattr | Nach, have you tried mounting it somewhere else? |
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| 04:20.20 | Nach | just tried, no go |
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| 04:22.36 | tcsetattr | so why would you have a "busy" error... |
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| 04:22.49 | xam | thu-s: regarding your question whether there are differences in 2.4 and 2.6 for use on a router: yes. Network is scaling much better (often O(1)), inclusion of ebtables, better IPv6/IPsec support ... |
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| 04:23.18 | Nach | this is really freaky |
| 04:23.24 | Nach | I did locate hdb5 |
| 04:23.33 | Nach | and found an hdb5 in /dev/evms |
| 04:23.40 | Nach | so I tried mounting that, and it worked |
| 04:23.45 | tcsetattr | never heard of that one. |
| 04:23.47 | Nach | any idea what that means? |
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| 04:24.39 | tcsetattr | !google /dev/evms |
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| 04:24.45 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for /dev/evms |
| 04:24.56 | tcsetattr | bullshit. I just googled it myself and found plenty of results. |
| 04:25.05 | g4lt | tcsetattr use fgi ;) |
| 04:25.15 | g4lt | !fgi /dev/evms |
| 04:25.18 | tcsetattr | whatever. it was more of a suggestion to Nach than a bot command. |
| 04:25.32 | g4lt | !fgi nach /dev/evms |
| 04:25.33 | dpkg | nach: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=/dev/evms |
| 04:26.34 | themusicgod1 | g4lt: that site is awesome |
| 04:26.50 | tcsetattr | so this guy Nach installed this EVMS crap without even knowing it. |
| 04:27.01 | Nach | I didn't install it :P |
| 04:27.07 | Nach | apt did |
| 04:27.08 | apt | no idea, Nach |
| 04:27.24 | Nach | apt-get install kernel-2.6.7-1-k7 |
| 04:27.30 | xam | Nach: apt says it didn't ;) |
| 04:27.56 | tcsetattr | apt-get remove evms :) |
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| 04:28.19 | xam | Nach,tcsetattr: better do a --purge aswell |
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| 04:29.03 | tcsetattr | I wonder why evms claimed /dev/hdb* but not /dev/hda* |
| 04:29.10 | Nach | guess I should try rebooting now |
| 04:29.13 | tcsetattr | actually... no I don't. I don't care. |
| 04:30.13 | xam | *phew* |
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| 04:32.00 | Aluminum | OMG HACKERS IN %#WEWT! |
| 04:32.00 | Aluminum | OMG HACKERS IN %#WEWT! |
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| 04:32.28 | samuel | anyone know how to redirect the oss device (/dev/dsp) through to esd? |
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| 04:32.45 | Nach | thanks that worked |
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| 04:33.14 | Nach | now to get my CD drives working, although I think I can handle that myself |
| 04:33.22 | samuel | ive got OSS and esd running here, and rhythmbox and vlc dont have any sound |
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| 04:34.35 | wayne_ | is there a command for doing a find/replace in linux? |
| 04:34.49 | Fluten | in a text editor? |
| 04:34.53 | xam | wayne: dozens ... in what way |
| 04:34.56 | xam | ? |
| 04:35.09 | wayne_ | find/replace in a bunch of text files |
| 04:35.27 | mrowe | wayne_: perl |
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| 04:35.41 | mrowe | or sed if you're hardcore |
| 04:35.53 | xam | mrowe: sed is not 'hardcore' |
| 04:35.58 | pipeline | sed would be the easy way to do it, no? |
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| 04:36.23 | xam | pipeline: if you know what regular expressions are, sed is easy |
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| 04:36.51 | [sumo] | whats the recc distro for a server. |
| 04:37.07 | Supaplex | debian |
| 04:37.48 | mrowe | suprising to get *that* answer, on *this* channel... :) |
| 04:38.08 | xam | mrowe: no, actually not really |
| 04:38.13 | [sumo] | heh |
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| 04:38.58 | [sumo] | so u all reckon debian also? |
| 04:39.06 | xam | sumo: yes |
| 04:39.06 | mwilson | !u |
| 04:39.06 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 04:39.09 | [sumo] | or should i go freebsd or somn |
| 04:39.11 | mrowe | nah fsck it, use windows |
| 04:39.36 | pipeline | Windows and FreeBSD are for wimps. |
| 04:39.40 | pipeline | I'd suggest SCO UNIX. |
| 04:39.42 | pipeline | It's enterprise ready. |
| 04:39.50 | pipeline | And in 5.0.7, integrates USB support. |
| 04:40.01 | [sumo] | lol |
| 04:40.03 | [sumo] | debian it is. |
| 04:40.07 | tcsetattr | wow, USB! |
| 04:40.09 | Segers_J | [sumo]: be a rebel, use macOS 9 |
| 04:40.13 | deadcat | cd |
| 04:40.21 | xam | sumo: you said "distro" ... that is short for "distribution". There are only linux distributions, and only one FreeBSD (not a distribution) |
| 04:40.22 | beth | s/rebel/masochist/ |
| 04:40.34 | [sumo] | Segers_J: ya, buy me a mac then |
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| 04:40.47 | Segers_J | beth: hahaha, true. |
| 04:40.51 | [sumo] | xam: i didnt say it was, :/ |
| 04:40.52 | tcsetattr | there are at least 2 FreeBSD distributions (one of them is Debian) |
| 04:41.05 | pipeline | [sumo]: With mol, you can run MacOS on any power-based machine. Just think: You can replace AIX with the power of MacOS 9.1! |
| 04:41.29 | xam | sumo: <[sumo]> or should i go freebsd or somn |
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| 04:41.32 | [sumo] | and the dl begins. |
| 04:41.35 | simonrvn | runs os x too. big whup |
| 04:41.57 | pipeline | Yeah, but why would you want to run OSX when you can have the throbbing power of cooperative multi-tasking? |
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| 04:42.02 | [sumo] | xam: 'or' |
| 04:42.05 | tcsetattr | go for SuSe... how can you go wrong when it's a Novell product? |
| 04:42.07 | Aprigio | gnome 2.6 is release in apt-get (unstable list) and kde 3.2 |
| 04:42.12 | Aprigio | ? |
| 04:42.20 | jetscreamer | !info gnome |
| 04:42.22 | tattoo | hey guys, just found out my kernel problems.... |
| 04:42.23 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 56 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 04:42.35 | jetscreamer | that's not very helpful |
| 04:42.46 | jetscreamer | !info gnome-core |
| 04:42.49 | dpkg | gnome-core: (The GNOME Desktop Environment -- essential components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 56 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 04:42.51 | [sumo] | pipeline: whats mol? |
| 04:42.55 | [sumo] | mac on linux? |
| 04:43.03 | jetscreamer | !lart dpkg |
| 04:43.06 | xam | sumo: yes, 'or' ... but your previous sentence was "<[sumo]> so u all reckon debian also?" |
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| 04:44.05 | xam | sumo: you just misused the meaning of "distribution", just admit it, and I'll shut up ;) |
| 04:44.35 | [sumo] | i give up hah |
| 04:44.57 | [sumo] | i'll let u have the win since it seems to mean so much to you, heh |
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| 04:45.18 | [sumo] | this mol looks nifty |
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| 04:48.15 | discore | oi, i've got 2 drives in a software raid1 array (both connected to an hpt controller that doesn't do anything but act as an ide controller) and when i do raidstart /dev/md0 the box instantly freezes. ive swapped ports/cables and the drives work fine by themselves. this is under 2.6.7. what should i try now? older kernel maybe? |
| 04:48.17 | [sumo] | i wanna dl debian isos via BT, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/torrents/3.0_r2/ |
| 04:48.19 | [sumo] | which am i after |
| 04:48.22 | [sumo] | i386 folder? |
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| 04:49.55 | xam | sumo: do you want stable ("woody"), or the current testing ("sarge"), that will soon become the new stable? |
| 04:49.56 | jetscreamer | #1 |
| 04:50.16 | [sumo] | stable!! |
| 04:50.24 | jetscreamer | either way you'll be updating later, probably less if you got the sarge now |
| 04:50.29 | [sumo] | oh |
| 04:50.36 | jetscreamer | less as in upgrade size |
| 04:50.50 | [sumo] | but is sarge stable |
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| 04:50.54 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 04:50.54 | pipeline | more or less |
| 04:51.05 | jetscreamer | as in it is going to be THE stable |
| 04:51.12 | jetscreamer | in just a little while |
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| 04:51.36 | jetscreamer | so you could get the current about to go away woody or just take the plunge nw |
| 04:51.36 | [sumo] | how long? |
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| 04:51.37 | jetscreamer | now |
| 04:51.42 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:51.48 | ardy | I have the alsa stuff compiled into the kernel and I'm getting the error Synth device: not enables in config?? |
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| 04:52.22 | [sumo] | how long till sarge is the stable release |
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| 04:52.29 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:52.36 | jetscreamer | week month i dunno |
| 04:52.39 | Segers_J | !rsn |
| 04:52.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, rsn is Real Soon Now (or never) or see "wir" and "siyh" |
| 04:52.41 | jetscreamer | more, less |
| 04:52.43 | murdochj | is the 2.6 kernel much of a pain to get working on the 3.0r2 stable release? |
| 04:52.54 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 04:53.03 | [sumo] | damnit |
| 04:53.04 | AvengerMoJo | is there a list of current kernel maintainer |
| 04:53.12 | g4lt | !sarge pool |
| 04:53.12 | dpkg | hmm... sarge pool is Place your bets on when sarge will become stable! streuner=2005-02-28 sim0nrvn=2004-03-15 helix=2004-03-27 sharth=2004-03-03 croddy=2004-02-14 ghakko=2004-04-20 CompWizrd=103-12-25 deadcat=2005-08-16 beta3=WTSS peterS=2004-05-01 gnupg=2004-01-01 DelEat=2004-04-02 nevyn=2004-03-20 Shay=2004-03-28 greycat=2004-03-01 Justin=WIR rw-rw-r--=2004-11-14 |
| 04:53.14 | jetscreamer | xu |
| 04:53.27 | [sumo] | hahahaha |
| 04:53.50 | jetscreamer | AvengerMoJo, it's Xu |
| 04:54.14 | [sumo] | are either better for getting running and getting packages and stuffs |
| 04:54.23 | jetscreamer | no |
| 04:54.36 | jetscreamer | i reallythink woody is tighter |
| 04:54.44 | jetscreamer | old school rocks |
| 04:54.46 | xsdg | g4lt: someone's not keeping up with cleaning that out |
| 04:55.02 | Segers_J | have they got the graphical installer working (debugged?) |
| 04:55.04 | jetscreamer | but that's 'progress' |
| 04:55.13 | jetscreamer | it worked for me |
| 04:55.17 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 04:55.22 | [sumo] | hmm |
| 04:55.36 | jetscreamer | #debian-boot |
| 04:55.39 | samuel | anybody know how to get acpi monitoring working for a normal user? |
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| 04:55.55 | [sumo] | so do i grab the i386 files |
| 04:55.59 | [sumo] | or somn else |
| 04:56.09 | jetscreamer | for...? |
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| 04:56.21 | [sumo] | debian isos |
| 04:56.23 | [sumo] | for a p2 |
| 04:56.24 | Segers_J | [sumo]: do you have intel hardware? |
| 04:56.31 | [sumo] | p2 yeah |
| 04:56.37 | Segers_J | [sumo]: yes, then, |
| 04:56.41 | [sumo] | ta |
| 04:57.05 | [sumo] | why is there 13 torrents? |
| 04:57.08 | xam | Segers_J: he could have a intel itanium hardware ;) |
| 04:57.22 | jetscreamer | #1woody or the sarge installer is good |
| 04:57.22 | jetscreamer | diff stuff |
| 04:57.32 | jetscreamer | you probably want #1, and type bf24 at boot prompt (hit f3 too) |
| 04:57.52 | [sumo] | this isnt 13 cd's is it |
| 04:57.53 | [sumo] | lol |
| 04:57.54 | jetscreamer | hit f3 to se why you type bf24 i mean |
| 04:57.59 | jetscreamer | just get #1 |
| 04:58.04 | tcsetattr | Debian comes with lots and lots of stuff. It doesn't all fit on 1 CD. Lots of stuff. |
| 04:58.09 | xam | sumo: well, testing/sarge is 13 CDs |
| 04:58.11 | Segers_J | xam: guess I'm behind the times, think I'll go google. |
| 04:58.19 | [sumo] | 13 cd's omg |
| 04:58.33 | tcsetattr | the first CD has all the essential stuff. You don't have to use all of them. |
| 04:58.39 | xam | sumo: just get the first (and maybe the second) |
| 04:58.55 | [sumo] | :/ maybe i should get woody |
| 04:58.56 | debboy | hi all. i'm trying to use the gimp and put some text on an image. but the text is always too small. |
| 04:58.59 | [sumo] | its 7 cd's |
| 04:59.09 | xam | sumo: for woody, yes |
| 04:59.16 | mwilson | debboy: So select a bigger font. |
| 04:59.28 | Segers_J | [sumo]: they're put on the cds in order of popularity, I never used 4, 6 or 7. |
| 04:59.33 | debboy | mwilson, it doesn't seem to go above size 25 for any font |
| 04:59.48 | [sumo] | hmm i see. |
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| 05:00.02 | [sumo] | decisions decisions |
| 05:00.16 | jetscreamer | i hate flies |
| 05:00.21 | xam | sumo: you can really see that quite a lot has changed from woody to sarge (7 vs 13 CDs) |
| 05:00.22 | jetscreamer | holy lag |
| 05:00.28 | mwilson | debboy: How do you figure that? It's a spinner. |
| 05:00.29 | [sumo] | haha yeah |
| 05:00.55 | xam | Segers_J: what about CD #5 ? |
| 05:01.08 | jetscreamer | [sumo], if sarge get the net install |
| 05:01.17 | debboy | mwilson, when was the last time you used the gimp? you click on the image and the font/text info appears. on the right is a list of possible sizes. no spinner. |
| 05:01.19 | [sumo] | yeah sounds like it jetscreamer |
| 05:01.19 | xam | mhh, a spider is crawling along my TFT screen |
| 05:01.22 | Segers_J | xam: I think that was where cups was, it's been a while. |
| 05:01.31 | jetscreamer | [sumo], you can get 2 boot floppies for woody also |
| 05:01.32 | debboy | mwilson, even if i type in '50', the max i get is 25 or so |
| 05:01.48 | mwilson | debboy: The last time I used it was about five seconds before I told you it was a spinner. |
| 05:01.55 | Segers_J | hahahaha |
| 05:01.58 | mwilson | debboy: Otherwise, why do you think I would have said it? |
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| 05:02.18 | debboy | mwilson, well, what are you looking at? i see no spinboxes (i assume thats what u mean when u say 'spinner') |
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| 05:02.55 | mwilson | debboy: Are you using gimp 1.x or 2.x? |
| 05:02.59 | debboy | 1.2 |
| 05:03.07 | Hass | can i run a distro from another running distro (without using vmware)? |
| 05:03.09 | debboy | 1.2.3 |
| 05:03.11 | t35t0r | xam: eat it |
| 05:03.14 | mwilson | Update, then. |
| 05:03.30 | jwpark_ | whats channel name for windowmaker? |
| 05:03.49 | jwpark_ | apt windowmaker |
| 05:03.51 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, windowmaker is a light wm no ? |
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| 05:05.05 | Segers_J | debboy: perhaps you are not using an outline font? 1.2.3 here, I just typed in 128 and got a huge b. |
| 05:05.21 | debboy | Segers_J, whats an outline font? |
| 05:05.31 | mwilson | He means a scalable font. |
| 05:05.49 | debboy | well, i guess not then .... hmm |
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| 05:06.06 | debboy | i have bitstream's font package installed ... |
| 05:06.12 | xam | http://dict.leo.org/?search=spinner&searchLoc=0&relink=on&spellToler=standard§Hdr=on&tableBorder=1&cmpType=relaxed&lang=en |
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| 05:06.18 | Segers_J | debboy: uh, vector based instead of pixel based package xfonts-scalable |
| 05:06.33 | [sumo] | bbl |
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| 05:06.46 | mwilson | I just installed gimp 1.2 to see... the font dialog supports up to 72 from the chooser and of course you can type in whatever you like. |
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| 05:07.07 | debboy | must be the xfonts-scalable thing, thanks |
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| 05:07.11 | wiBo | how to download all files contains in a rep with wget? |
| 05:07.12 | langseth | Hey, whats the easiest way to get a list of installed packages (besides dpkg -l)? |
| 05:07.31 | zolo | hello, how would i add a user to the pc that doesn't have root privileges, and will be the default user? |
| 05:07.33 | mwilson | That IS the easiest way. Does there need to be a harder one? |
| 05:08.09 | mwilson | zolo: "default" user? |
| 05:08.09 | langseth | well, the problem is that it cuts off the package name. I need the full name. |
| 05:08.15 | mwilson | zolo: What does that mean? |
| 05:08.18 | debboy | langseth, dpkg --get-selections |
| 05:08.32 | mwilson | debboy: Which doesn't at all do what he asked for. |
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| 05:08.43 | mwilson | langseth: Then make COLUMNS a larger value. |
| 05:08.44 | Segers_J | langseth: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 05:09.00 | mwilson | langseth: dpkg formats it to fit within the width of the *term you're running it in. |
| 05:09.12 | zolo | well.. i just did a knoppix hd install, so it's now officially debian (to my knowledge), but i only have one user on this pc and that is root, i was wondering how i would add another user to the pc who isn't root |
| 05:09.30 | langseth | thanks |
| 05:09.41 | mwilson | No, it's now officially Knoppix. |
| 05:09.56 | mwilson | Ask how to cure its stupidities in #knoppix. |
| 05:10.05 | Segers_J | zolo: knoppix!=debian |
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| 05:10.24 | pipeline | zolo: Knoppix claims to be debian compatible. You will rapidly discover that this is not the case. |
| 05:10.30 | zolo | oh |
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| 05:10.46 | pipeline | zolo: For an "easy" debian distribution, try libranet. It's 100% compatible. |
| 05:10.52 | mwilson | pipeline: Since when? |
| 05:10.53 | bougyman | yeah, you have to do quite a bit to knoppix to un-knoppix it. |
| 05:11.01 | bougyman | morphix also retains 100% linux compatibility. |
| 05:11.07 | zolo | my mistake then, sorry, i did ask the knoppix channel, but no one responded :( libranet? i will check into it, thanks :D |
| 05:11.08 | bougyman | well, they claim to. |
| 05:11.20 | bougyman | but their X startup is not debian. |
| 05:11.24 | Dentonite | how come cut&paste does not always work under X? are there any fix? |
| 05:11.30 | mwilson | If you want Debian, install, well... Debian. |
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| 05:11.55 | pipeline | Eh, I've only had problems with libranet when upgrading between actual releases of debian. If you stick to the release you started with, there's no problems. |
| 05:11.57 | mwilson | Dentonite: It always works. It may not, however, work the way YOU think it should. Does anyone get to know what you think is broken? |
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| 05:12.21 | mwilson | pipeline: Then it's not very Debian-compatible, now is it? Since that's one of the hallmarks of Debian... |
| 05:12.26 | Segers_J | Dentonite: use highlight -> middle click instead, or stick to all kde apps. |
| 05:12.47 | pipeline | mwilson: Like he said, libranet has its own X configuration script. There's also a couple of fiddly bits in basec |
| 05:12.49 | mwilson | Dentonite: Well? |
| 05:12.58 | holycow | zolo, why don't you just install debian with the new debian installer? |
| 05:12.59 | Dentonite | mwilson: when i try to cut from xterm window to mozilla or firefox, it sometimes works and sometimes it does not.... |
| 05:13.07 | holycow | you will get pure debian and all the autodetection magic of knoppix |
| 05:13.11 | mwilson | Dentonite: "cut" *how*? |
| 05:13.18 | holycow | plus a sane install |
| 05:13.20 | pipeline | mwilson: base-config. These don't apply to the pay version of libranet, just the "old" version they give away for free. |
| 05:13.32 | pipeline | mwilson: Two packages that have surmountable problems are still pretty danged compatible. |
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| 05:13.35 | Dentonite | mwilson: I guess "copy" might be more correct term... |
| 05:13.48 | zolo | holycow: i'm gonna do that now, you see my roomate got a virus on here, so i couldn't boot windows, and the only linux i had was a knoppix live cd |
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| 05:13.52 | mwilson | Dentonite: I guess actually answering the question would be still better. |
| 05:14.05 | bougyman | i'm going back to doom3, i'm getting addicted quickly. |
| 05:14.14 | pipeline | bougyman: There's linux binaries out? |
| 05:14.17 | holycow | !d-i |
| 05:14.18 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 05:14.20 | bougyman | not that I know of. |
| 05:14.23 | holycow | use that one |
| 05:14.54 | mwilson | Dentonite: I presume what you're ACTUALLY talking about is selecting and then middle-mouse click, right? Which doesn't involve the clipboard. |
| 05:15.19 | Dentonite | mwilson: yes. |
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| 05:15.50 | mwilson | Dentonite: The text you selected in the xterm has to stay selected until you middle-mouse click. |
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| 05:16.05 | mwilson | Dentonite: xterm only asserts PRIMARY as long as that is true. |
| 05:16.13 | nono | how do I get the mouse working in the console? |
| 05:16.22 | jm_ | nono: gpm |
| 05:16.35 | Dentonite | mwilson: yes it does.... but about 10% of time it does not work..... |
| 05:16.41 | mwilson | Dentonite: If the xterm scrolls, then the text will de-select, and PRIMARY will be empty. |
| 05:16.52 | mwilson | Dentonite: No, it always works. |
| 05:17.14 | mwilson | Dentonite: Or do you actually believe that you'd be the first person to find a problem in such a fundamental part of X? |
| 05:17.36 | nono | jm_: thx |
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| 05:18.04 | Oberon- | Can anyone help me restore my server system to working order? The only way to get even get to a prompt is to use the 'recovery mode' option on boot. |
| 05:18.35 | mwilson | Dentonite: Again, you highlight text, xterm asserts ownership of PRIMARY, you middle-mouse click in another app, that application asks xterm for the contents of PRIMARY. |
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| 05:18.43 | Dentonite | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.55 | Dentonite | asdasdhttp://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 05:18.56 | Dentonite | asdasd |
| 05:19.14 | mwilson | Dentonite: If by the time you get to middle-clicking, xterm no longer owns PRIMARY, then you get nothing copied. |
| 05:19.14 | Dentonite | [#debian] |
| 05:19.15 | Segers_J | Dentonite: sudden aardvark death syndrome? |
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| 05:21.49 | tcsetattr | I thought that stuff had been fixed in xterm... with a more permanent cut buffer |
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| 05:22.39 | mwilson | tcsetattr: There's nothing to fix. xterm supports PRIMARY, SECONDARY, and CLIPBOARD all just fine. |
| 05:22.49 | mwilson | tcsetattr: Always has. |
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| 05:23.48 | tcsetattr | I never paid much attention. I do notice that KDE doesn't get along well with the other children when it comes to pasting text |
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| 05:24.34 | gonzo_ | Under windowmaker, when I right click over empty space, I used to get application menu. Now I only get title bar only with "Applications" as title. How do I fix this? |
| 05:24.39 | mwilson | KDE and Gnome try to wedge everything so that no matter how you copy stuff, it ends up in CLIPBOARD. |
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| 05:25.19 | tcsetattr | hmm... I see that "cut buffer" is the old terminology |
| 05:26.00 | mwilson | xterm still supports CUT_BUFFER[0-9] too, although little uses them. |
| 05:26.20 | tcsetattr | the last time I tried to understand X pasting, CUT_BUFFER was still in use :) |
| 05:26.33 | tcsetattr | it's all fuzzy to me now |
| 05:26.55 | pipeline | cut_buffer is the devil. |
| 05:27.03 | pipeline | Isn't emacs the only program left that still uses that sort of thing? |
| 05:27.16 | mwilson | You're thinking of the ring buffer. |
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| 05:27.29 | nono | I got one CD with one kind of "hole" (on the data side) and I can't copy one file from it. Is there any way to make it work? (because the hole is kind of little, I thought that the cd algorithm would recover it on his own... but does not...) |
| 05:27.30 | pipeline | actually, it's not that cut_buffers are evil, it's that ice cubed is difficult to understand, difficult to implement, and difficult to use. |
| 05:27.54 | zinx | nono: no |
| 05:27.56 | jm_ | nono: there's dd_rescue or somesuch |
| 05:28.05 | zinx | nono: you can't recover the missing section |
| 05:28.14 | gonzo_ | isnt "ice cubed" a rap singer? |
| 05:28.39 | nono | thx |
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| 05:31.15 | simonrvn | gonzo_: ice cube |
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| 05:31.57 | simonrvn | pipeline: vim does 'em too |
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| 05:32.25 | simonrvn | but it does understand more modern c&p buffer |
| 05:32.30 | simonrvn | (duh) |
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| 05:33.06 | siimo | hi is there a script for downloading files needed by 'apt-get upgrade' files on a non debian machine? |
| 05:33.07 | CASP6 | shakar makar |
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| 05:34.44 | Segers_J | siimo: I _think_ dpkg (the bot) does that (blootbot) |
| 05:34.59 | simonrvn | xam: i just use gpm or x buffer for c&p |
| 05:35.03 | gonzo_ | apt about windowmaker to get it apt-get install wmaker |
| 05:35.05 | apt | gonzo_: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 05:35.44 | siimo | Segers_J, what do you mean the bot does that? |
| 05:35.55 | Segers_J | !find gimp |
| 05:35.56 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'gimp' (15 shown; 34 total): babygimp ;; cupsys-driver-gimpprint ;; cupsys-driver-gimpprint-data ;; foomatic-db-gimp-print ;; gimp ;; gimp-cbmplugs ;; gimp-data ;; gimp-data-extras ;; gimp-dimage-color ;; gimp-help ;; gimp-help-common ;; gimp-help-de ;; gimp-help-en ;; gimp-help-fr ;; gimp-help-sv. |
| 05:36.21 | Segers_J | !info gimp-help-fr woody |
| 05:36.34 | Segers_J | !+info gimp-help-fr woody |
| 05:36.35 | dpkg | Package 'gimp-help-fr' does not exist. |
| 05:36.47 | siimo | Segers_J, i meant like a script with URL that will automatically download all the packages i need that i can copy to a cd and bring to debian machine |
| 05:36.48 | Segers_J | ??? |
| 05:37.32 | gonzo_ | hey, whats the cheapest printer I can get new with PCL? |
| 05:38.31 | xam | siimo: well, if you have a unix machine, you can try apt-proxy: http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:38.35 | simonrvn | Segers_J: the localised help for the gimp is recent |
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| 05:38.54 | simonrvn | yummy, chicken curry |
| 05:39.09 | Segers_J | siimo: uh, maybe hack something together with bash and wget? |
| 05:39.09 | gonzo_ | xam: if u try "neoguri" you will turn to liquid.... |
| 05:39.13 | xam | simonrvn: yes, but now I have to clean the kitchen ... |
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| 05:39.18 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 05:39.34 | Segers_J | simonrvn: oh. |
| 05:39.57 | xam | gonzo: well, I'm not so fond of korean food |
| 05:40.12 | rmrfchik | re |
| 05:40.33 | xam | gonzo: I prefer indonesian food |
| 05:40.45 | gonzo_ | xam: I am surprised you actually knew.... |
| 05:40.50 | tcsetattr | siimo, maybe apt-zip can do what you want |
| 05:40.58 | xam | gonzo: travelled asia a bit |
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| 05:41.50 | xam | gonzo: favourite fruit: durian |
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| 05:45.17 | arkainium | off topic but what the heck... i got a wireless router connecting a couple of boxes. if i want to setup a lan for each box where it shares the connection comming from the wireless router, would a switch do? |
| 05:45.25 | Oberon- | Where do I find a 'rescue cd' ISO for Sarge, so I can *repair* my system instead of reinstalling it? |
| 05:45.58 | k-god | Oberon-: http://www.knoppix.org/ |
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| 05:46.13 | k-god | Oberon-: ...or http://www.lnx-bbc.org/, or http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
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| 05:46.22 | k-god | Oberon-: ...pretty much any bootable Linux distro will do you. |
| 05:46.26 | Oberon- | k-god: Okay... I've *got* Knoppix. So how do I *use* it to fix corrupt libraries and the like? |
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| 05:46.43 | k-god | Oberon-: Depends on what's corrupt. |
| 05:46.47 | jm_ | mount the partition, copy them over |
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| 05:47.09 | k-god | Hrm. Is it possibly to specify an install target for dpkg? |
| 05:47.10 | Oberon- | k-god: I don't know what's corrupt... but my system had a power outage and now a lot of system programs are seg-faulting. |
| 05:47.16 | oakley | ok, quick simple question.... how do i format a new drive in linux? |
| 05:47.19 | xam | http://www10.brinkster.com/gigbox/finecity/durian.jpg |
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| 05:47.47 | k-god | Oberon-: Well, that tends to point to lower level issues. You don't corrupt a file on disk just by having it open. You corrupt it by writing to it. Sounds like your disk state got fuxnored. |
| 05:47.52 | xam | oakley: format? depending on what file system you want to use. man mkfs |
| 05:48.03 | Oberon- | k-god: *nod* So what do I do? |
| 05:48.03 | Segers_J | oakley: cfdisk |
| 05:48.04 | k-god | Oberon-: the debsums package might be useful here, and some disk check utilities. FS? |
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| 05:48.14 | oakley | thanks |
| 05:48.17 | Segers_J | oakley: then mkfs.=something |
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| 05:48.36 | Segers_J | er, s/=// |
| 05:48.45 | Oberon- | k-god: / is reiserfs and /boot is ext3. |
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| 05:48.48 | k-god | Oberon-: What FS are the partition(s)? |
| 05:48.49 | flyinass | have a problem that when i do a bf24 install it recognises the drive as '/dev/hde' - when i upgrade the kernel to 2.6.6 it expects the root partition/drive to be '/dev/hda' |
| 05:49.03 | k-god | Oberon-: Ok. Reiserfs check tools are somewhat dicey, but there is a reiserfsck or something. |
| 05:49.07 | vandalai | OT Please: what is usually the default parameters used on diff when used with kernel source trees? |
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| 05:50.09 | k-god | Oberon-: See if Knoppix includes reiserfsprogs. |
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| 05:50.33 | k-god | Oberon-: ...for ext3, fsck.ext2 is sufficient. fsck will automatically detect the proper fsck. |
| 05:51.05 | Oberon- | k-god: Both run on reboot, and seem happy with what results they get. |
| 05:51.13 | k-god | Oberon-: Ok. |
| 05:51.30 | k-god | Oberon-: ...next you might want to check debsums. It's not 100% coverage, but hits a lot of packages. |
| 05:51.45 | mwilson | flyinass: No it doesn't. |
| 05:51.45 | flyinass | list |
| 05:51.54 | flyinass | *ahhrg* |
| 05:52.01 | k-god | Oberon-: ...I managed to fry my root partition a few months ago and came up with a script to basically find every package with a file on root, and then reinstall each package through apt, chrooted from Knoppix. |
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| 05:52.24 | mwilson | flyinass: It expects to have an initrd, maybe, but it doesn't magically change your fstab or your lilo configuration. |
| 05:52.39 | k-god | Oberon-: ...which is an alternative. If you think reinstalling might be faster, you're welcome to choose that instead ;-) |
| 05:52.46 | Segers_J | vandalai: dunno, but http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html#EXTRACT-PATCH probably tells you (tldp.org is your friend) |
| 05:53.08 | vandalai | thanks Segers_J! |
| 05:53.09 | xam | k-god: did something similar about a year ago when my harddisk contents where partially corrupted |
| 05:53.10 | k-god | Oberon-: You might also want to run some disk and memory monitoring tools. smartmontools and memtest86+ are strongly recommended. |
| 05:53.13 | Oberon- | k-god: A problem I'm having right now is that I can't set the default route because route is segfaulting. And I've got a lot of custom setup on this thing already... reinstalling sounds horrible. |
| 05:53.20 | Segers_J | vandalai: :) |
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| 05:53.44 | flyinass | I ve tried setting the lilo/fstab parameters to /dev/hda but get a kernel panic on boot - error could not find device ?? |
| 05:53.44 | k-god | Oberon-: Oberon- You may want to reinstall route then... |
| 05:53.52 | k-god | Oberon-: ...that's net-tools. |
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| 05:54.21 | k-god | Oberon-: ...and if a *lot* of stuff is fried, it could be that libc6 is also trashed. |
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| 05:54.42 | k-god | Oberon-: Do you have 'sash' on your system? Stand alone (statically linked) shell. *Very* useful on a trashed system. |
| 05:55.12 | Sovetskeey | just curious... does Debian use KDE, Gnome or something different all together for a GUI? |
| 05:55.19 | k-god | Sovetskeey: Yes. |
| 05:55.24 | xam | Oberon-: and finally use 'crashme' in order to test whether your kernel is actually stable enough ;) |
| 05:55.27 | Oberon- | k-god: I don't... but bash is doing okay for shell stuff. |
| 05:55.44 | k-god | Oberon-: sash also has a bunch of built-ins for some common shell tools. |
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| 05:56.08 | Segers_J | Sovetskeey: all of the above. |
| 05:56.35 | xam | Oberon-: normal bash won't work if your libc is trashed, and even if you are using the statically linked version, you cannot execute mkdir/ln/rm/ ... |
| 05:56.50 | k-god | xam: ...that's why sash builds those in. |
| 05:56.54 | mwilson | flyinass: Why would you change lilo and fstab to hda when you just told everyone your root was hde? |
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| 05:57.10 | xam | Oberon-: that's the reason why sash is a good suggestion |
| 05:57.10 | Oberon- | k-god: If I were to boot with a Knoppix-type CD... how would I go about configuring things so that when I installed a .deb file everything would land in the right place? |
| 05:57.13 | k-god | flyinass: mwilson's an ignorant prick most of the time, FYI. |
| 05:57.17 | mwilson | Oberon-: Why do you need to set the route by hand? |
| 05:57.29 | k-god | Oberon-: Generally: chroot. |
| 05:57.30 | Oberon- | mwilson: I don't, except that it isn't set on reboot. ;-> |
| 05:57.40 | Oberon- | k-god: *nod* |
| 05:57.41 | mwilson | Oberon-: Then FIX it. |
| 05:57.53 | Segers_J | Oberon-: iirc you use fakeroot |
| 05:58.01 | Oberon- | mwilson: That's what I'm trying to do, but I don't know *how*. I don't know what the problem really *is*. |
| 05:58.11 | xam | mwilson: because you didn't read all of flyingass' comments. |
| 05:58.14 | mwilson | Oberon-: You have no reason to set routes yourself unless you have some complex network scheme set up. |
| 05:58.40 | Oberon- | mwilson: *nod* But this machine is behind an NAT firewall. |
| 05:58.41 | k-god | Oberon-: I'm not sure if dpkg lets you specify an install target. But if you can get just dpkg working within a chroot, that may work. |
| 05:58.45 | mwilson | xam: Really? What did I miss? |
| 05:58.49 | mwilson | Oberon-: So? |
| 05:59.01 | k-god | Oberon-: mwilson is an ignorant prick most of the time, FYI. |
| 05:59.07 | Segers_J | chroot, right, my bad |
| 05:59.18 | Oberon- | mwilson: Let me rephrase. No, let me sum up. *no* route is set ATM. |
| 05:59.32 | Oberon- | k-god: Thanks, and noted. |
| 05:59.33 | xam | mwilson: something like "under 2.6, it expects the boot partition to be on hda, not hde" ... seems his controllers are detected the 'wrong' way |
| 05:59.36 | mwilson | Oh, lose the bad Princess Bride schtick. |
| 05:59.37 | k-god | Segers_J: Isn't fakeroot faking root user, not root FS, for make-kpgk? |
| 05:59.54 | Segers_J | k-god: sounds right. |
| 06:00.12 | k-god | Oberon-: The routes of unusual size do not exist. |
| 06:00.15 | mwilson | Oberon-: So, did you define the gateway in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:00.18 | Oberon- | Must have had your sense of play shot off in the war. |
| 06:00.23 | vandalai | is there a bash/external command to glob a trailing / from a given path? |
| 06:00.35 | Oberon- | mwilson: This server *was* working perfectly until a power outage. So, yes. |
| 06:00.37 | k-god | vandalai: tab completion? |
| 06:00.47 | k-god | Oberon-: Don't waste your time with him. Really. |
| 06:00.53 | mwilson | Look and see. |
| 06:00.55 | flyinass | I only have on IDE drive and it's set and detected as primary master by the bios. funny thing with this problem it installs as under 'hda' under the default debian install, but I can't get my 3com card installed |
| 06:01.03 | Oberon- | *nod* I think I'll avail myself of the ever-popular '/ignore.' |
| 06:01.11 | vandalai | k-god, i mean remove a trailing / from a path string given by a user to a script or something. |
| 06:01.15 | Segers_J | vandalai: grep '/$' maybe |
| 06:01.19 | xam | vandalai: BLA="<path"; echo ${BLA%/} |
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| 06:01.36 | k-god | vandalai: Um. 'sed -e 's,$/,,' |
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| 06:01.41 | vandalai | yup.. |
| 06:01.44 | k-god | vandalai: ...modulo quoting. |
| 06:01.46 | vandalai | forgot about sed :P |
| 06:01.53 | xam | k-god: argll, always so complicated ;) |
| 06:01.55 | vandalai | thanks |
| 06:01.59 | [sumo] | hey there, i dl'ed sarge-i386-netinst.iso and it wont boot on any of my machines. and it should |
| 06:02.15 | cabledude | does anyone know why I can log into debian only as root? if I try another user, it says "the system administrator has temporarily disabled access to the system". BTW, /etc/nologin does not exist |
| 06:02.17 | [sumo] | rh9 discs boot fine on them |
| 06:02.23 | g4lt | [sumo] did you check md5sums? |
| 06:02.38 | [sumo] | not yet ;) |
| 06:02.49 | xam | vandalai: even ${0%/} works (if you want to strip it from $0 for example) |
| 06:03.12 | k-god | [sumo]: Can any CD boot? |
| 06:03.13 | vandalai | xam, that's even snazzier.. thanks again :) |
| 06:03.19 | k-god | cabledude: rm /etc/nologin |
| 06:03.31 | tcsetattr | that was a mighty weird use of the word "glob" by vandalai. I'm surprised people figured out what he meant |
| 06:03.38 | cabledude | /etc/nologin is not there, I looked for it |
| 06:03.44 | [sumo] | k-god: yep |
| 06:03.48 | xam | tcsetattr: not really, why? |
| 06:03.50 | mwilson | I imagine they just ignored what he was saying and went for what he meant. |
| 06:04.06 | vandalai | tcsetattr, why weird? |
| 06:04.06 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. NFC. Bad burn? |
| 06:04.10 | tcsetattr | "glob" is to exapnd a wildcard into a list of filenames... he used it to mean "remove"/"strip"/"trim" |
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| 06:04.16 | mwilson | Just because he had no idea what he was talking about, it wasn't hard to figure out what he meant. |
| 06:04.17 | k-god | tcsetattr: Yeah, threw me for a moment too. |
| 06:04.23 | Segers_J | tcsetattr: I didn't d'oh 8) |
| 06:04.24 | k-god | mwilson: Unlike some. |
| 06:04.27 | tcsetattr | globbing is what transforms /etc/passw* int /etc/passwd /etc/passwd- |
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| 06:04.34 | [sumo] | k-god: bad burn is possible, all the files are there, doesnt make much sense, no floppy either |
| 06:04.34 | Sovetskeey | uhhh where's the x86 release, or do you guys call it something different for debian? |
| 06:04.35 | xam | tcsetattr: you mean globular expressions. But to "glob" is different ;) |
| 06:04.48 | k-god | [sumo]: Will it boot another PC? |
| 06:04.56 | [sumo] | k-god: nope :( |
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| 06:05.07 | k-god | [sumo]: How'd you create it? |
| 06:05.13 | [sumo] | nero |
| 06:05.15 | [sumo] | burn image |
| 06:05.35 | mwilson | Nero is like the program to steal, for some reason. |
| 06:05.40 | flyinass | *hmmm guess I ll have another go at installing this biarch* |
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| 06:05.50 | simonrvn | i keep thinking globular cluster.. |
| 06:05.51 | vapo | how do i check what resolution i have X/blackbox running at? |
| 06:05.51 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. You just did "image", not "copy file to disk"? And it tests as a bootable (toledo or whatever teh freaking standard's called) cd? |
| 06:06.02 | [sumo] | yeah the files are intact, haha |
| 06:06.09 | tcsetattr | el torito! |
| 06:06.09 | jm_ | vapo: xdpyinfo |
| 06:06.14 | [sumo] | how do i test it as bootable? |
| 06:06.17 | mwilson | vapo: Would it be running at other than what you configured it somehow? |
| 06:06.25 | [sumo] | i definitely burnt the iso properly :/ |
| 06:06.27 | vapo | it doesnt seem right.. |
| 06:06.29 | vapo | kinda big.. |
| 06:06.36 | [sumo] | i've burnt memtest, and other linux isos in similar fashion |
| 06:06.39 | k-god | [sumo]: Hrm. And I don't know how to test it other than booting it. Maybe md5sum it, but I've had inconsistant results there. |
| 06:06.46 | tcsetattr | sumo, did you test it? can you get a file listing from the CD? |
| 06:07.01 | [sumo] | there is a file listing |
| 06:07.03 | k-god | tcsetattr: That, incidentally, *isn't* a good test. |
| 06:07.15 | tcsetattr | well, it's better than nothing |
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| 06:07.34 | k-god | [sumo]: The CD directory listing is sort of seperate from the filesystem data itself. You'd want to attempt *reading* each file (or a sampling) to really test the disk. |
| 06:07.37 | [sumo] | are there another set of files somewhere i can actually make a bootable cd for this cd? |
| 06:07.37 | [sumo] | lol |
| 06:07.43 | tcsetattr | mount it and tar cf /dev/null /cdrom and watch for errors... |
| 06:07.46 | k-god | tcsetattr: Only barely. |
| 06:07.52 | [sumo] | the files on the disc are fine. |
| 06:07.53 | k-god | tcsetattr: Right WRT tar. |
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| 06:08.12 | tcsetattr | but do try "ls /cdrom" first, it'll be much faster. |
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| 06:08.20 | [sumo] | i am in windows. |
| 06:08.22 | Jambon | has anyone here used enlightenment engage? |
| 06:08.29 | tcsetattr | sucks to be you |
| 06:08.30 | k-god | !comfort [sumo] |
| 06:08.30 | dpkg | There, there, [sumo]. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 06:08.34 | [sumo] | haha |
| 06:08.55 | k-god | [sumo]: It's OK, I'm debasing a system w/ a Win install as we speak.... |
| 06:08.59 | [sumo] | spare me, i AM trying to get debian installed |
| 06:09.16 | k-god | [sumo]: Does the system have a floppy at all? |
| 06:09.20 | tcsetattr | you could do a "COPY D:\LINUX NUL:" or something like that |
| 06:09.38 | k-god | tcsetattr: Yeah, but that won't show errors. Well. Might lock the system hard. |
| 06:09.45 | [sumo] | nope, lol, but if u can point me to a workable solution w/floppy. i will consider installing one (wiuth great agony) |
| 06:09.46 | tcsetattr | hehe :) |
| 06:10.28 | k-god | [sumo]: tomsrtbt, previously mentioned, is a single-floppy Linux system. It's got tar on it and you'd be able to run some tests on the CD. |
| 06:10.43 | k-god | [sumo]: ...otherwise, a small cygwin install might be useful. What version of 'Doze? |
| 06:10.46 | [sumo] | i dont think there is a problem with the cd |
| 06:10.57 | [sumo] | if i can stick ina floppy, and execute the install manually |
| 06:11.02 | [sumo] | that'd be dandy |
| 06:11.23 | xam | !enter |
| 06:11.23 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '--', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 06:11.25 | tcsetattr | well, there are Debian install floppies. You could probably start with a floppy then switch to CD. But you might have tou se more than one. |
| 06:11.36 | [sumo] | XP. |
| 06:12.05 | k-god | [sumo]: I'm quite fond of chroot installs myself. If you've got Knoppix, you can use that to install via debootstrap. |
| 06:12.14 | Segers_J | [sumo]: http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
| 06:12.16 | [sumo] | i have knoppix handy |
| 06:12.17 | k-god | !tell [sumo] about chroot install |
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| 06:12.28 | k-god | [sumo]: I'll talk you through it. Just did two last night. |
| 06:12.37 | [sumo] | cools |
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| 06:12.42 | Shaun2 | when using dd to create a image how would i determine bs? |
| 06:12.47 | k-god | [sumo]: ...and wrote the docs in the Debian install manual on the subject. |
| 06:13.03 | [sumo] | w00t |
| 06:13.05 | tcsetattr | Shaun2, the bs mostly stands for "bullshit". It doesn't matter much. |
| 06:13.08 | k-god | Shaun2: If it looks like bs, smells like bs, feels like bs, and tastes like bs, it's probably bs. |
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| 06:13.23 | k-god | Shaun2: otherwise, for disk access, 1024 is pretty common. Sizing up doesn't matter much. |
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| 06:13.37 | [sumo] | so what first? |
| 06:13.43 | k-god | Shaun2: ...if you're working with tapes, you need to match the bs used to create the tape. This is pretty obscure though and likely doesn't matter. |
| 06:13.51 | Shaun2 | what would be the point of chaning it. |
| 06:13.54 | tcsetattr | Shaun2, just don't put an outrageously high (like hundreds of megs) or outrageously low (like 8 bytes) bs |
| 06:13.54 | k-god | [sumo]: Kill your Windows session. Boot Knoppix. |
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| 06:14.01 | [sumo] | 2 pc's |
| 06:14.05 | k-god | Shaun2: Storage efficiency, mostly. |
| 06:14.05 | [sumo] | no need :) |
| 06:14.09 | [sumo] | k bbooting knoppix |
| 06:14.17 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. |
| 06:14.29 | tcsetattr | Shaun2, theoretically it can make a difference in speed. But as long as you don't go way high or way low you'll get a reasonable speed |
| 06:14.30 | Shaun2 | i've been using bs=1048576 for creating UML's |
| 06:14.46 | k-god | [sumo]: You can go for the full graphical boot if you want, that's a little easier for most people to work with, and you can cut and paste some stuff from the docs. |
| 06:14.47 | Shaun2 | i'm just wondering why the howto i saw told me to use that numbah |
| 06:14.48 | [sumo] | do i need a graphical login? |
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| 06:15.00 | tcsetattr | for tapes you can use mt to set the blocksize then just use tar or cpio on the tape device |
| 06:15.05 | Shaun2 | 1048576 is pretty high compared to 1024 |
| 06:15.15 | [sumo] | i prefer non gfx, since pc is too shit, refresh problems all sorts of crap |
| 06:15.28 | ]Dark-Angel[ | sumo: i dont know if YOU need one.. |
| 06:15.29 | k-god | Shaun2: Well, that's going to require a full MB of RAM. Which isn't much. But if you start using very large blocksizes, you can start cutting into your memory. |
| 06:15.46 | k-god | Shaun2: ...you'll also reduce the number of disk writes, which can be useful on a highly contended system. |
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| 06:16.17 | Shaun2 | k-god: so increasing bs digs into the ram but saves on the IO? |
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| 06:16.43 | tcsetattr | it doesn't save much since the kernel does its own buffering of block devices |
| 06:16.45 | k-god | Shaun2: Among other things. |
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| 06:17.06 | k-god | Shaun2: If you've got blocked data, say, with tar or some mainframe tape utilities, it's the difference between readable data and noise. |
| 06:17.29 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. Knoppix doesn't have gpm, but you can run screen. |
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| 06:17.55 | [sumo] | k-god, why |
| 06:18.09 | k-god | [sumo]: For multiple consoles within easy reach. |
| 06:18.24 | [sumo] | ok |
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| 06:18.36 | Shaun2 | k-god: thanks |
| 06:18.41 | [sumo] | its still booting, knoppix takes a while on this |
| 06:19.19 | bharat | can somebody tell me the canonical Debian way to install the latest j2sdk on my debian box? I've been hunting around packages.debian.org and aptitude and don't see an approach to get me something more recent than jdk1.1 -- I'm sure I'm missing something easy here. |
| 06:19.31 | Segers_J | [sumo]: why you need linuxBIOS, boots in 3 seconds! |
| 06:19.40 | ysothoth | bharat: check out http://blackdown.org/ |
| 06:19.58 | [sumo] | heh |
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| 06:20.24 | bharat | ysothoth: got it, thanks |
| 06:20.24 | [sumo] | probably woulda been better with 13cd ver, hah |
| 06:20.31 | [sumo] | k i got a prompt. |
| 06:21.40 | k-god | bharat: apt-cache search <name> |
| 06:21.56 | k-god | bharat: There's package sort at packages.debian.org, or you can install apt-file and look for stuff. |
| 06:22.04 | Segers_J | k-god: java is not free software. |
| 06:22.09 | k-god | bharat: You can install from RPMs if there are no debs, w/ Alien. |
| 06:22.26 | bharat | The problem was that it's not in any of the repositories that I'm checking. But it's in the blackdown repository |
| 06:22.32 | k-god | Segers_J: There *is* a non-free section of Debian, last I checked. The semantics are complicated. |
| 06:22.49 | k-god | bharat: There are also third-party maintained debs for stuff. Finding those is a bit of a black art. |
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| 06:23.18 | [sumo] | what am i doin k-god? |
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| 06:23.47 | bharat | k-god: looks like I came to the right place to ask my question, though :-) |
| 06:24.44 | k-god | [sumo]: Ok. What distro do you want to install? |
| 06:24.51 | [sumo] | debian netinst |
| 06:24.52 | k-god | [sumo]: ...erm. "release". |
| 06:24.54 | [sumo] | sarge |
| 06:25.00 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. sarge it is. |
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| 06:25.13 | k-god | [sumo]: "mkdir /mnt/target" That's going to be your install point and chroot. |
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| 06:25.20 | k-god | [sumo]: Have you partitioned your HD already? |
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| 06:25.34 | k-god | [sumo]: ...and give me about three minutes here. |
| 06:25.35 | [sumo] | i need to wipe it |
| 06:25.51 | bharat | thanks ysothoth, k-god and Segers_J. I'm all set |
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| 06:26.01 | [sumo] | its got a rh9 install on it on 2 partns |
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| 06:26.13 | ight | hello |
| 06:26.31 | cromd | greetings all ... i've set a script up as a cron job and over a few months it's proven itself well behaved, what reference should i consult about converting it to a service? |
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| 06:27.00 | [sumo] | cromd, you could just inspect other services and learn like that |
| 06:27.14 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. I like fdisk myself. You're going to need a reboot if you repartition. So fire up fdisk, and if you want to blow it all away, nuke 'em all. Then reboot so the kernal reads the new partition table. |
| 06:27.31 | [sumo] | hai |
| 06:27.36 | ight | anyone able to help me register my sound card with linux, alsa works with it but nothing knows its there |
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| 06:28.02 | cromd | not a bad idea sumo, and i've done a little of that but find some of it somewhat cryptic ... is there any "hello world" service out there as an example? |
| 06:28.07 | ight | /dev/dsp/ says no sound card but its integrated |
| 06:28.17 | Segers_J | ight: are you sure it's not just muted? |
| 06:28.23 | Segers_J | nm |
| 06:28.29 | tcsetattr | rebooting to reread the partition table is rarely necessary anymore |
| 06:28.32 | langseth | does it say no device or permission denied |
| 06:28.40 | langseth | ight: does it say no device or permission denied |
| 06:28.54 | ight | i cant figure out how to run amixer0,1,2,3, |
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| 06:29.07 | ight | no device |
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| 06:29.28 | k-god | tcsetattr: In my very recent experience, it pays to do so. |
| 06:29.35 | tcsetattr | as long as you don't have an partitions on the same disk mounted _while_ you're running fdisk... |
| 06:29.49 | k-god | tcsetattr: Specific to 3.3 knoppix kernels, FWIW. |
| 06:30.16 | [sumo] | oh fck! device busy |
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| 06:30.24 | ight | is there a download from apt-get i could be missing |
| 06:30.25 | k-god | [sumo]: What are you doing? |
| 06:30.56 | [sumo] | writing to the table. i killed automount and it wrote |
| 06:31.15 | [sumo] | rebooting |
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| 06:31.55 | ixa1 | is there a way to know what is beeing build in auto-builder atm ? |
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| 06:32.47 | k-god | [sumo]: OK |
| 06:32.58 | opp | how do i use qtparted to do a clean reinstall? |
| 06:33.12 | ight | if I have a ess 1869 (es18xx) what should my /dev/dsp/ file look like? |
| 06:33.31 | ight | I can edit the file |
| 06:34.00 | langseth | no |
| 06:34.06 | tcsetattr | /dev/dsp is char device 14,3 regardless of the driver behind it. If you use ALSA, you need to be looking elsewhere. |
| 06:34.28 | ight | i know my sound card still works because windows runs i5t |
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| 06:34.40 | isga | hi |
| 06:34.54 | xam | mhhh "Fetched 29.1MB in 5s (5486kB/s)" ... I like that |
| 06:34.57 | opp | i cannot do a reinstall onto a hdd, recovering allocation seems to get stuck. |
| 06:35.06 | [sumo] | xam, fuck |
| 06:35.08 | xam | local debian mirror rules ;) |
| 06:35.13 | k-god | [sumo]: ?? |
| 06:35.25 | [sumo] | k-god: still booting heh |
| 06:35.41 | k-god | xam: Dig. I run apt-proxy here, but I don't get *that* kind of response. |
| 06:35.41 | ight | I followed the alsa web site howto to the tee until it came to modprobe snd-es18xx error no such device |
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| 06:35.51 | cromd | any clues on how to craft a search for services-scripting for google/etc? |
| 06:36.27 | k-god | cromd: writing linux daemon |
| 06:36.38 | isga | of what must i look when i switch from oss to alsa? |
| 06:37.09 | ight | brb |
| 06:37.16 | [sumo] | i need like a universal keyboard |
| 06:37.20 | [sumo] | that has a switch, for different pc's |
| 06:38.04 | Segers_J | ight: http://tinyurl.com/82on worked for me (woody) |
| 06:38.08 | exobyte | any favorite dvd+rw media brands? |
| 06:38.10 | [sumo] | k-god: ok booted and hdd shud be cleaned |
| 06:38.12 | xam | k-god: well, it get speeds up to 10.1MB/s ... then the 100MBit ethernet is saturated |
| 06:38.24 | k-god | !shoot xam |
| 06:38.25 | [sumo] | exobyte: ritek |
| 06:38.42 | xam | !kick k-god |
| 06:38.44 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. Get a console. If you like 'screen', run it. |
| 06:38.51 | isga | what must i do when i change oss to alsa? |
| 06:38.53 | [sumo] | i am not experienced with screen |
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| 06:39.08 | k-god | [sumo]: ...I'd run a links page out to http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall, because I'll be working from same here. |
| 06:39.16 | k-god | [sumo]: ...and read the debootstrap manpage. |
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| 06:39.22 | [sumo] | i can do that on this machine |
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| 06:39.36 | Segers_J | isga: like I said to ight: http://tinyurl.com/82on worked for me (woody) |
| 06:39.42 | [sumo] | crickey |
| 06:39.46 | k-god | [sumo]: Basics for screen: <ctrl>-A is "command". Also abbreviated C-a. |
| 06:40.29 | k-god | [sumo]: C-a c == create screen. C-a n == next screen. C-a p == prior screen. C-a <number> == goto screen number. C-a ? == help. |
| 06:40.51 | xam | k-god: why do you have such a 'bad' performance with apt-proxy? don't you have 100Mbit networking? |
| 06:41.12 | [sumo] | coool. thanks for that |
| 06:41.20 | [sumo] | is there a easier method if i use floppies? |
| 06:41.33 | k-god | [sumo]: ...adn C-a a == C-a to session within screen itself. If you're used to readline emacs bash editing, you'll learn to hate the C-a binding. Just remember to hit 'a' twice. |
| 06:41.40 | k-god | [sumo]: Um. No. |
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| 06:42.18 | k-god | [sumo]: Anyway. man debootstrap. The command is 'debootstrap <release> <target directory> <mirror>, I think. Not running Knoppix ATM and don't have it installed. |
| 06:42.19 | [sumo] | crap. |
| 06:42.48 | tcsetattr | this looks like some kind of prank to me. manually building up a debian system from scratch instead of getting a working CD image? eek. |
| 06:42.58 | ight | Segers_j i'll check it out |
| 06:43.00 | isga | Segers_J:thx |
| 06:43.01 | [sumo] | is this ignoring that i have the CD? |
| 06:43.03 | k-god | tcsetattr: I do it all the time. |
| 06:43.34 | k-god | tcsetattr: http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/DebianChrootInstall. Compare to the installing from an existing Unix system section of the Debian installation manual. |
| 06:43.58 | [sumo] | k i read debootstrap |
| 06:44.29 | [sumo] | yeah this is abit tedious |
| 06:44.30 | k-god | [sumo]: Ok. Do you have your FS partitioned the way you want it? |
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| 06:44.36 | [sumo] | no |
| 06:44.39 | [sumo] | its just wiped |
| 06:44.59 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. fdisk and partition as you want it. |
| 06:45.08 | [sumo] | ouchies |
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| 06:46.10 | [sumo] | can u recommend me a setup, i have a 30gb hdd |
| 06:46.10 | k-god | [sumo]: I generally have / /boot swap /tmp /var /usr and /home. There's a link from the page "NixPartitioning" which covers my guidelines, if you're interested. Or you can do One Big Partition + swap (which I prefer not to do) |
| 06:46.30 | [sumo] | before |
| 06:46.42 | [sumo] | i had /, /boot , /swap |
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| 06:47.40 | k-god | [sumo]: /: 200 MB. /boot: 48 MB. swap: 3 partitions 1x memory each. /tmp: 1 GB if you plan on burning CDs. /var: 2-4 GB. /usr: 3-4 GB. /usr/local: 1 GB. /home: balance |
| 06:48.22 | k-god | [sumo]: The reason for the swap partitions is: it's easier to create 'em than add 'em. You don't need 'em all active. You can repurpose them later if you want. |
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| 06:48.46 | k-god | Oh, and I usually recommend a "system2" partition of ~250 MB for a minimal rescue install. But that's just me. If you've got Knoppix handy, largely unnecessary. |
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| 06:49.13 | chass | anyone recommend a website where i can see reviews on linux hardware(video card) compatability? |
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| 06:49.19 | [sumo] | the box will be a server... |
| 06:49.26 | SlayerXP | chass: http://www.google.com/ |
| 06:49.44 | chass | SlayerXP, heh, i havn't really found anything useful thats why i askee |
| 06:49.44 | chass | d |
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| 06:50.10 | SlayerXP | chass: you must have an old version of google installed then, upgrade it. |
| 06:50.12 | Segers_J | random thought: if I swapoff with insufficient ram, what gets killed? highest pids? |
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| 06:50.30 | k-god | abauer: Um. I guess you're not tony ;-) |
| 06:50.31 | [sumo] | why 3 swap partitions |
| 06:50.44 | Rickyx | someone please help me! how do i enable mod_perl in apache2 |
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| 06:51.03 | k-god | [sumo]: So if you upgrade memory later and you want to boost swap to suit, you don't need to mess with repartitioning. |
| 06:51.15 | [sumo] | oh, makes sense |
| 06:51.45 | k-god | [sumo]: What's your current RAM? What's max for the box? |
| 06:51.50 | meh | can anyoone please tell me how can I switch my keymap on the console (no X) |
| 06:51.58 | k-god | meh: man xloadkeys' |
| 06:52.03 | [sumo] | is there a setup i can have that will seperate shit i dont need for backups and shit i do |
| 06:52.04 | meh | I accidently switched to french so I can't write anything |
| 06:52.09 | [sumo] | its 128mb system, it probably wont change |
| 06:52.19 | [sumo] | it can likely take max 1gb |
| 06:52.40 | xerophyte | does anybody know any good method to ship linux CDS |
| 06:52.42 | k-god | [sumo]: 3x 128 will take you to 384 MB max easily, if you go there. And it could happen. |
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| 06:52.51 | k-god | xerophyte: Snail Mail. |
| 06:53.05 | jm_ | meh: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 06:53.28 | [sumo] | christ its in cylinders |
| 06:53.43 | k-god | meh: loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/i386/querty/us.kmap.gz |
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| 06:53.53 | meh | I can't write anything on the console |
| 06:54.01 | k-god | meh: ...if you've got console-tools installed, /etc/init.d/console-tools restart should work as well. |
| 06:54.07 | meh | I can only write french characters |
| 06:54.20 | meh | I cannot write anything I'm asking from another computer |
| 06:54.31 | meh | there must be some key sequence to switch that back |
| 06:54.33 | k-god | meh: Write an art-house movie script! |
| 06:54.37 | [sumo] | sectors dont help either :/ |
| 06:54.39 | Segers_J | meh: does that affect ssh? |
| 06:54.41 | k-god | meh: How'd you get there? |
| 06:54.48 | cromd | that's great k-god, it's so much easier when you have the vital piece of jargon :) |
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| 06:54.58 | Segers_J | s/affect/effect/ |
| 06:55.01 | k-god | [sumo]: Um. What's in cylinders? |
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| 06:55.11 | jm_ | no there is no such key sequence, there is no need for it, french layout has all the leys necessary to reconfigure keymap |
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| 06:55.16 | jm_ | keys too |
| 06:55.19 | [sumo] | fdisk is |
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| 06:55.34 | k-god | cromd: ?? The Google search? |
| 06:55.50 | k-god | [sumo]: You can specify sizes as +<number>M |
| 06:55.56 | k-god | [sumo]: ...or +<number>G |
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| 06:56.01 | cromd | that's right k-god ... there's heaps of stuff out there on scripting daemons ... i just had to know to look for daemons ... thanks :) |
| 06:56.06 | [sumo] | ta |
| 06:56.12 | k-god | [sumo]: Which corresponds to MB/GB... |
| 06:56.16 | [sumo] | which should be primary? |
| 06:56.18 | meh | k-god: I probably pressed accidentally the keysequence that switch between keymaps |
| 06:56.21 | k-god | cromd: Ah. I'd forgotten which I'd told you ;-) |
| 06:56.26 | meh | I pressed it in vi |
| 06:56.45 | k-god | [sumo]: I make the first three partitions primary. Usually /boot, /, and /tmp. Then I create an extended partition and throw everything else in there. |
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| 06:56.57 | meh | Segers_J, this computer is not yet connected to the network |
| 06:56.59 | k-god | [sumo]: ...I toggle bootable for partition 1 though it's not really necessary. |
| 06:57.09 | [sumo] | fark what a headache |
| 06:57.13 | Segers_J | meh: oh well . . . |
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| 06:57.55 | k-god | [sumo]: No. A headache is watching a Win98 install eat itself configuring MSIE 4.x |
| 06:58.04 | [sumo] | haha |
| 06:58.17 | meh | http://iglu.org.il/faq/cache/81.html |
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| 06:59.11 | michal | back to bitchx now.. irssi sucks :/ |
| 06:59.12 | [sumo] | 48M (Value out of range) |
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| 06:59.27 | k-god | [sumo]: The worse because I want to switch to a console to see WTF it's doing...then realize I can't. |
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| 06:59.37 | k-god | [sumo]: You need the '+' |
| 06:59.42 | k-god | [sumo]: So: +48M |
| 06:59.43 | [sumo] | ah |
| 06:59.47 | k-god | [sumo]: ...for the "end" value. |
| 06:59.52 | michal | does anyone here understand the COMPLETE mystery of the intel graphics support for linux 2.6.x ?? |
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| 06:59.59 | k-god | meh: Yes. |
| 07:00.01 | k-god | michal: Yes. |
| 07:00.04 | k-god | michal: 42. |
| 07:00.09 | [Debian] | hey to all |
| 07:00.16 | michal | ie.. why does the intel graphics driver require an old 3dlabs driver |
| 07:00.22 | meh | k-god: this address says the keysequence |
| 07:00.34 | k-god | meh: ?? |
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| 07:00.42 | jm_ | why would anyone care about shitty intel on-board graphic chip ? :) |
| 07:00.58 | thomas_adam | [what's] with [[nicknames] [in] brackets [all] of a [sudden]? |
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| 07:01.02 | michal | the 3dlabs GMX 2000.. does intel actually use those for their onboard graphics or something? |
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| 07:01.16 | Segers_J | hahahaha hi thomas_adam |
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| 07:01.26 | xam | thomas_adam: s/[[]// |
| 07:01.37 | michal | jm_: i went out of my way to buy a board with it and all the other features i needed. i think i found the only board in existance.. cost me $200 |
| 07:01.44 | thomas_adam | xam: No no, I like it better before. |
| 07:01.51 | thomas_adam | xam: and you need to escape that. |
| 07:01.59 | Nop1xUzer | does anyone have the MD5-SUM for debian-30r2-i386? |
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| 07:02.10 | xam | thomas_adam: I just removed the ['s |
| 07:02.19 | jm_ | michal: and no you have no cash to buy a normal card ? |
| 07:02.22 | jm_ | no=now |
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| 07:02.33 | xam | thomas_adam: and no, I don't have to escape it |
| 07:02.48 | michal | jm_: no i have ahlf a dozen cards which i tried but in the end i decided that the onboard intel would be the best |
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| 07:03.07 | Segers_J | xam: that would remove all '['s would it not? |
| 07:03.17 | k-god | [sumo]: How goes? |
| 07:03.25 | jm_ | michal: using those was always a mess, required AGP support and crazy shit like that |
| 07:03.26 | [sumo] | k-god: so do i make part4(3*128) or part4(128mb) part5(128mb) etc. |
| 07:03.30 | thomas_adam | [n6tadam@station adam]$ echo "[[hello]" | sed 's/[[/[/' |
| 07:03.30 | thomas_adam | sed: -e expression #1, char 7: unterminated `s' command |
| 07:03.35 | xam | Segers_J nope, just the first one. |
| 07:03.37 | thomas_adam | [n6tadam@station adam]$ echo "[[hello]" | sed 's/\[\[/\[/' |
| 07:03.38 | thomas_adam | [hello] |
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| 07:03.46 | xam | thomas_adam: I just missed the ] |
| 07:03.55 | xam | thomas_adam: I meant s/[[]]// |
| 07:04.03 | k-god | [sumo]: The latter is my MO. That gives you more flexibility. |
| 07:04.08 | thomas_adam | xam: Well, that's better, then. |
| 07:04.08 | deadcat | thomas_adam: that looks like a redhat machine? |
| 07:04.11 | k-god | [sumo]: Three partitions sized to current swap. |
| 07:04.14 | thomas_adam | deadcat: nope. |
| 07:04.17 | michal | jm_: well for my PRIMARY use of the card (ie text console) it works fine. now i just want the secondary usage.. ie slow X server with 640x480 (or preferably 720x576) support |
| 07:04.17 | deadcat | (= |
| 07:04.29 | thomas_adam | [n6tadam@station adam]$ cat /etc/debian_version |
| 07:04.29 | thomas_adam | testing/unstable |
| 07:04.31 | [sumo] | fark |
| 07:04.38 | jm_ | michal: read about it on xfree86 site |
| 07:04.39 | [sumo] | thats so much partitions, i will regret this! lol |
| 07:05.02 | simonrvn | 3.1 |
| 07:05.13 | michal | jm_: intel actually seems to provide the drivers. but it seems to require the kernel to have 3dlabs drivers compiled |
| 07:05.19 | xam | damn, are there rpm packages for debootstrap (not the ones dpkg will point you at?) |
| 07:05.38 | [sumo] | do i make the extended partition the "rest" or make each partition as i go, extended |
| 07:05.47 | simonrvn | xam: i highly doubt it. there's debtakeover, and some other stuff |
| 07:06.11 | xam | I try to compile them on a redhat system (had to patch the Makefile a bit to make it work), but it seems to hang when doing a 'make' |
| 07:06.21 | simonrvn | xam: if there is such a thing you could "reverse alien" the .deb |
| 07:06.35 | jm_ | michal: well do that then |
| 07:07.31 | xam | simonrvn: less than perfect ... |
| 07:07.42 | k-god | [sumo]: Partitions == control over the system. For a server, that can be useful. |
| 07:07.43 | [sumo] | i am hating this |
| 07:07.45 | simonrvn | !debtakeover |
| 07:07.46 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 07:07.47 | xam | simonrvn: anyway, it finally finished |
| 07:07.50 | Segers_J | [sumo]: you may only have 4 primaries, and the extended counts as a primary that you then can chop up iirc |
| 07:07.52 | simonrvn | ok |
| 07:08.01 | k-god | [sumo]: The extended partion should fill the space. |
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| 07:08.13 | [sumo] | yeah thought so |
| 07:08.13 | k-god | [sumo]: Once you've created it, all additional partitions will be logical. |
| 07:08.17 | [sumo] | goddamn this is taking too long |
| 07:08.22 | k-god | [sumo]: ...since you've already got three primaries. |
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| 07:08.31 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:08.32 | k-god | [sumo]: ...it's faster after you've tried it. |
| 07:08.34 | k-god | thomas_adam: ?? |
| 07:08.52 | xam | simonrvn: took 5 minutes to greate the 'devices.tar.gz' |
| 07:08.55 | k-god | [sumo]: ...the partitioning thing. |
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| 07:09.53 | thomas_adam | Looking at 'hadrons.org', there is a rather interesting typo that can arise... |
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| 07:10.01 | [sumo] | ok all done |
| 07:10.04 | [sumo] | let me just do some math |
| 07:10.08 | Phated | thomas_adam: Aye, I did blink when I first saw it. :) |
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| 07:10.27 | Rickyx | someone please help me about the perl handler in apache.. |
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| 07:10.28 | k-god | thomas_adam: Indeed. |
| 07:10.36 | k-god | thomas_adam: And that's hardly the half of it. |
| 07:10.36 | Rickyx | what lines do i need to put ? :-( |
| 07:10.39 | thomas_adam | Rickyx: Shapped like a stirrup. |
| 07:11.04 | [sumo] | only 19.368 gb left for files? |
| 07:11.11 | simonrvn | xam: oi, that's too long. udev is ten times faster - at least. and MAKEDEV generic is fast too. doesn't take that long to make a tarball |
| 07:11.42 | thomas_adam | k-god: xteddytakeover manifests a "limited clipart viewer" as the next phase of WM/DE. |
| 07:11.42 | Phated | [sumo]: Unless you'll be downloading a lot of pr0n, I think you're gole as far as space goes. I have 8 GB on my -whole- harddrive. |
| 07:11.46 | trogger | hey people. please will you suggest a good place to put a list of programs etc to run just after X starts? |
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| 07:11.55 | Phated | thomas_adam: xteddytakeover? :D |
| 07:12.00 | Segers_J | Rickyx: maybe someone in #apache can help |
| 07:12.03 | thomas_adam | Phated: *nod* |
| 07:12.22 | [sumo] | Phated: my server used like 20gb easily for /home |
| 07:12.22 | Phated | [sumo]: Ahhh, server... |
| 07:12.22 | Phated | thomas_adam: YAY!. |
| 07:12.22 | simonrvn | trogger: um what? you mean ~/.xsession? |
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| 07:12.23 | k-god | [sumo]: FWIW, on a 3 GB system, I limit myself to root, tmp, swap, and /usr, with /var and /home symlinked to /usr |
| 07:12.26 | [sumo] | i'm sure i can cull alot |
| 07:12.35 | [sumo] | fwiw? lol |
| 07:12.37 | scarynetworkguy | just say no to xteddytakerover |
| 07:12.40 | michal | actually.. i'm baffled.. i think the intel drivers require ALL other graphics drivers to be compiled :/ |
| 07:12.50 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: No, no, xteddytakeover is -good-. |
| 07:13.06 | jmspeex | Anyone knows how to use ssh through a proxy? |
| 07:13.08 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: no what is that one word the one that means the opposite of good? |
| 07:13.14 | [sumo] | hmm |
| 07:13.17 | xam | simonrvn: well, I had to temporarily replace /etc/password and /etc/group from the RedHat system with the corresponding files of a debian system ... otherwise it would have created the devices.tar.gz with the wrong ownerships |
| 07:13.19 | k-god | jmspeex: aproxy-mately.... |
| 07:13.20 | [sumo] | ok so i'll write the tables in |
| 07:13.22 | trogger | simonrvn: that runs the wm, but waits for the window manager to finish before continuing.... anyway to put stuff that will run *after* the wm has started? |
| 07:13.23 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: xteddytakerover? |
| 07:13.25 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: Japan? |
| 07:13.26 | carrett | aaah I want x.org/fd.o things! |
| 07:13.29 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: EXCELLENT is the one you're looking for. |
| 07:13.32 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: that would be it |
| 07:13.36 | [sumo] | rebootz0r |
| 07:13.39 | michal | if they had wanted the installer to be any less debian friendly they couldn't have managed it :/ |
| 07:13.40 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Yoko Ono? |
| 07:13.41 | SlayerXP | good morning |
| 07:13.43 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: no not that one either |
| 07:13.48 | jmspeex | k-god: very funny |
| 07:13.49 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hm... BEST. |
| 07:14.06 | simonrvn | trogger: no idea. invent something |
| 07:14.07 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: no not at all :) |
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| 07:14.12 | xam | simonrvn: now I realized it's much easier to build debootstrap on a debian system, and copy the generated devices.tar.gz to the RedHat system ;) |
| 07:14.12 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Heh. |
| 07:14.23 | simonrvn | xam: duh ;) |
| 07:14.26 | michal | hope i don't have to rebuild the kernel 1001 times just to get this thing to work :/ |
| 07:14.39 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: oh yea now I remember that would be sucks :) |
| 07:14.41 | [sumo] | >_< |
| 07:14.55 | simonrvn | xam: coulda asked me about that, i have a dev.tar.gz sitting in my src/ dir on my site |
| 07:14.59 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: BAH! |
| 07:15.06 | xam | simonrvn: even on the debian system the generation of devices.tar.gz takes quite a while ... |
| 07:15.13 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yea yea :) |
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| 07:15.31 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *grin* |
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| 07:15.51 | [Debian] | good to be back |
| 07:15.58 | xam | simonrvn: well, it could have been that I wanted the dev.tar.gz for a Linux/PA-RISC system, which is slightly different from i386 |
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| 07:17.56 | [sumo] | k-god: what happens now |
| 07:18.38 | michal | what's the webpage for the X being used in debian? |
| 07:18.38 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. Save the partition table. |
| 07:18.38 | k-god | [sumo]: "w" |
| 07:18.38 | [sumo] | yeah i have and rebooted |
| 07:18.43 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. |
| 07:19.02 | k-god | [sumo]: *Now* you want to 'mkdir /tmp/target' and mount your intended root partition to /mnt/target. |
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| 07:19.15 | [sumo] | chroot /mnt/target? |
| 07:19.33 | michal | !X ? |
| 07:19.33 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 07:19.34 | [sumo] | hang on, wtf |
| 07:19.34 | Nurbs | michal: www.xfree.org |
| 07:19.43 | k-god | [sumo]: Hanging.... |
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| 07:19.55 | michal | Nurbs: i thought debian had stopped using that version because of copyright issues |
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| 07:20.02 | Nurbs | michal: no. |
| 07:20.14 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: you do know how to use sftp right? |
| 07:20.15 | Nurbs | michal: only newer ones |
| 07:20.16 | k-god | [sumo]: Don't chroot just yet. |
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| 07:20.32 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: No. |
| 07:20.33 | michal | Nurbs: well isn't the one described on that website newer than the one in debian? |
| 07:20.36 | [sumo] | when u say /tmp, u talking about /mnt/hdb3? |
| 07:20.39 | [sumo] | or knoppix' |
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| 07:20.41 | Nurbs | michal: yes |
| 07:20.50 | Nurbs | michal: but they've also got older versions |
| 07:21.16 | k-god | [sumo]: Sorry, I meant '/mnt' rather than /tmp. Though it really doesn't matter. |
| 07:21.17 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: just like ftp but the command is sftp instead of ftp. |
| 07:21.18 | Nurbs | michal: it'll go for modular X or whatever it's called at some point |
| 07:21.33 | sbk | I need help configuring a user-mode soundmodem device for ax25 -- I've come to a point where I believe the oss stuff is working, and I'm flummoxed on how to proceed |
| 07:21.39 | k-god | [sumo]: So: /mnt/target is where you plan on installing the new system. |
| 07:21.39 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: No. I'm a `FTP with browser' person. |
| 07:21.41 | [sumo] | ok so mkdir /mnt/target then mount /dev/hdb3 /mnt/target |
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| 07:21.51 | k-god | [sumo]: Yes. |
| 07:21.53 | thomas_adam | sbk: Why not buy a proper modem? |
| 07:22.00 | [sumo] | hai |
| 07:22.05 | thomas_adam | Phated: gftp |
| 07:22.13 | Phated | thomas_adam: ? |
| 07:22.19 | sbk | thomas_adam: for packet radio? nope, I'd rather use a sound card |
| 07:22.22 | michal | Nurbs: i'm just trying to figure out how to srt up the graphics chipset on my motherboard.. and so far it's been extremely complicated.. i remember radeon, nvidia, sis, everything else i have ever tried was easy.. this is a complete mystery.. no decent information anywhere |
| 07:22.25 | k-god | [sumo]: Then...: debootstrap sarge /mnt/target http://ftp.us.debian.org/ |
| 07:22.27 | thomas_adam | sbk: Oooh, packet radio. |
| 07:22.32 | k-god | [sumo]: Then...: debootstrap sarge /mnt/target http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian |
| 07:22.37 | thomas_adam | Phated: apt-cache show .... :) |
| 07:22.37 | k-god | [sumo]: Second one of those |
| 07:22.41 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: does gftp support sftp? |
| 07:22.43 | Phated | thomas_adam: Bleh. |
| 07:22.49 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: AFAIK, aye. |
| 07:22.50 | k-god | [sumo]: ...or substitute your preferred Debian mirror. |
| 07:22.51 | xam | k-god: yes. perhaps an "--arch i386" if you want |
| 07:22.56 | jm_ | michalato: huh ? enable kernel support for 3dlabs module and use intel's driver (you said they have it0 |
| 07:23.10 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: well, "SSH". |
| 07:23.14 | k-god | xam: That's default. |
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| 07:23.18 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: same diff. :) |
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| 07:23.23 | Erick | i love my ident |
| 07:23.24 | Erick | >:D |
| 07:23.24 | michal | jm_: well looking at the makefile it's going to want every other module too.. possibly even ones that do not exist |
| 07:23.37 | jm_ | michal: why not try it ? |
| 07:23.56 | michal | jm_: because it would take me hours if not days of repeatedly recompiling and rebooting |
| 07:23.56 | [sumo] | umm |
| 07:24.04 | k-god | [sumo]: Yesh? |
| 07:24.13 | StormShaman` | which X11 variant does Debian come with? |
| 07:24.18 | xam | k-god: I started debootstrap about 2 mins ago |
| 07:24.28 | [sumo] | k-god: mount sooks about about FAT 0 cluster size, cant find valid fat fs, spec valid fs |
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| 07:25.00 | k-god | xam: The package pull can take a while. If you have an http proxy, you can use it w/ : export http_proxy=http://<proxy>:<port>/ |
| 07:25.16 | jm_ | michal: ahh no, it's usually just a matter of make modules after you enable support for the extra modules (assuming you have enabled DRI/AGP support first and built the kernel and booted with it) |
| 07:25.22 | jm_ | and modules_install |
| 07:25.30 | michal | jm_: no.. i use kernel package |
| 07:25.37 | jm_ | michal: yay :) |
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| 07:25.47 | k-god | xam: ...doesn't help you the first time. but the second pull is lots faster. |
| 07:25.59 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: do you have ssh installed? |
| 07:26.07 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yes. |
| 07:26.09 | michal | jm_: takes about 90 minutes to build the kernel |
| 07:26.26 | StormShaman` | which does Debian come with, XFree86 or X.org? I don't know what it's all about, but I don't want to get stuck in a bad legal situation for using the wrong one. |
| 07:26.33 | jm_ | michal: yeah I can imagine, maybe test it with debian's kernel-image to see what's really required |
| 07:26.43 | [sumo] | mount -t ext3 /dev/hdb3 /mnt/target ?? |
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| 07:26.54 | simonrvn | StormShaman`: xfree 4.3 in sarge and sid |
| 07:27.00 | skaught | StormShaman`: The only thing you have to worry about is using XFree86 post-4.3.99 |
| 07:27.02 | michal | jm_: the other issue is that this is not a system i can play with easily as it is used by others. |
| 07:27.07 | StormShaman` | simonrvn, is this a problem? |
| 07:27.12 | StormShaman` | skaught, oh OK |
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| 07:27.20 | simonrvn | StormShaman`: no |
| 07:27.23 | xam | k-god: debootstrap finished |
| 07:27.27 | [sumo] | k-god: it just dont wanna mount :( |
| 07:27.46 | loams | hi |
| 07:27.48 | xam | k-god: that was the fastest debian install ever ... merely 4 minutes |
| 07:27.51 | michal | where is the documentation on the xfree86 site? i can't find it.. it used to be linked off the main page |
| 07:28.11 | k-god | [sumo]: mke2fs /dev/hda3 |
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| 07:28.16 | k-god | xam: Slick. |
| 07:28.19 | michal | ahh.. goody.. i managed to guess the url |
| 07:28.22 | k-god | xam: Yeah, you've got that local mirror. |
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| 07:28.29 | xam | k-god ;) |
| 07:28.32 | StormShaman` | so which Debian do I want? I'm told I want unstable, but the word `unstable' scares me |
| 07:28.56 | jm_ | start with stable |
| 07:28.56 | [sumo] | k-god: all good |
| 07:28.59 | jm_ | see if it suits you |
| 07:29.01 | Phated | StormShaman`: Note: Which Debian do -you- want? |
| 07:29.02 | Segers_J | StormShaman`: it should |
| 07:29.07 | k-god | xam: I was waiting a while for the pulls. And even after it got cached (two systems), the md5sum verification on P-233 MMX systems is sorta slow. |
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| 07:29.12 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. Mounted? |
| 07:29.19 | simonrvn | StormShaman`: so use 'sid' instead of 'unstable', and try not to think of sid vicious ;P |
| 07:29.20 | scarynetworkguy | How does it make you feel to be scared of a word? |
| 07:29.21 | StormShaman` | Phated, I don't know, they all say unstable but if it's unstable it will crash |
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| 07:29.22 | [sumo] | yep |
| 07:29.36 | k-god | [sumo]: While you're at it, filesystems on your other partitions, and mkswap on the swap partitions wouldn't be a bad idea. |
| 07:29.37 | Phated | StormShaman`: *sigh* As you will, then. |
| 07:29.38 | xam | k-god: it's a pentium-III 600MHz here |
| 07:29.51 | k-god | [sumo]: Though you can do that while you're running debootstrap and fix mounts later. |
| 07:30.03 | simonrvn | StormShaman`: curious, are you an ex-redhat user? |
| 07:30.03 | michal | how come the kernel has at least 2 or 3 options for supporting the 86gG graphics chipset? it's confusing.. is it simple out of date or a mistake? |
| 07:30.06 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. Where in the world are you? Pick a relatively proximate mirror. |
| 07:30.10 | [sumo] | so mke2fs all of em, and makeswap all the rest? |
| 07:30.18 | [sumo] | k-god: sydney, aus |
| 07:30.41 | k-god | [sumo]: Yes, WRT mkfs/makeswap. |
| 07:30.47 | [sumo] | WRT? |
| 07:30.50 | k-god | [sumo]: What suburb, or are you downtown? |
| 07:30.54 | k-god | !WRT |
| 07:30.54 | dpkg | somebody said wrt was with respect to, or with regards to |
| 07:30.55 | [sumo] | Ashfield |
| 07:31.00 | StormShaman` | simonrvn, I've never used redhat, this is my first time using linux, I'm using Gentoo but I think I'll switch to Debian |
| 07:31.08 | k-god | [sumo]: I was in Epping a couple years back. |
| 07:31.18 | [sumo] | k-god: cools, the gurus are always aussie |
| 07:31.29 | k-god | [sumo]: Heh. I'm a Yank. |
| 07:31.35 | StormShaman` | I tried Mandrake 9.0 for a week before my computer got fried for different reasons though |
| 07:31.39 | k-god | [sumo]: ...but was taken for Canadian in Straya. |
| 07:31.43 | Segers_J | StormShaman`: in that case, start with stable if you value your hair. |
| 07:31.44 | Phated | Though I'm not a guru, but still. |
| 07:31.47 | [sumo] | k-god hah. |
| 07:31.47 | simonrvn | StormShaman`: you shouldn't worry about sid then if you're currently using gentoo |
| 07:32.32 | z|bandito | http://mbnet.fi/r-k/tapiiri.jpg |
| 07:32.58 | simonrvn | StormShaman`: but you sound worried about it, so go safe, and work up your courage if you want to go that route. best advice i think Phated gave, and that's "what do *you* want?" |
| 07:33.39 | StormShaman` | jeez, this is like when i was asking which to use -- stage 1, 2, or 3, and different people told me to use different ones, but no one mentioned the middle choice of course |
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| 07:33.43 | [sumo] | why cant i mke2fs any ordinary partitions in the extended part |
| 07:33.58 | StormShaman` | simonrvn, well, i guess i'll try each and see which i want |
| 07:34.02 | xam | z|bandito: a tapir with a 5th leg? oh, wait a minute ... |
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| 07:35.10 | michal | as far as i can tell the intel graphics installer actually attempts to build stuff that already exists in my kernel.. |
| 07:35.12 | StormShaman` | OK, next question of mine is, I don't have a working floppy drive or CD burner, is there a way to install Debian without someone else doing something? none of my friends have both a fat pipe and a CD burner, only one or the other |
| 07:35.19 | Phated | StormShaman`: Errr, no, you can't just -try- each, if you upgrade, downgrading can be a huge hassle... Make up your mind before doing anything. |
| 07:35.22 | z|bandito | heh |
| 07:35.32 | StormShaman` | i've heard of network installs but i'm not sure how to do them |
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| 07:35.40 | StormShaman` | Phated, i'll try then reinstall, etc... |
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| 07:35.51 | Phated | . |
| 07:35.54 | xam | [sumo]: partitions in extended partitions are called 'logical partitions' |
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| 07:36.18 | Phated | StormShaman`: You'll still need a starting point... Try a Debian book from your local library, they usually come with a CD. |
| 07:36.40 | [sumo] | debootstrap time |
| 07:36.47 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. May take a while. |
| 07:36.52 | [sumo] | aww |
| 07:36.57 | [sumo] | gotta find a mirror |
| 07:36.59 | StormShaman` | Phated, I can't use my library |
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| 07:37.04 | StormShaman` | It's under construction |
| 07:37.11 | StormShaman` | and I owe fees that I can't pay yet |
| 07:37.13 | k-god | [sumo]: ...as in 4-50 minutes, depending on net speed. |
| 07:37.13 | Phated | StormShaman`: Bah. Then keep trying, my good man. |
| 07:37.19 | StormShaman` | and I can't check things out till I pay the fees |
| 07:37.19 | [sumo] | 512k |
| 07:37.20 | StormShaman` | :( |
| 07:37.47 | [sumo] | where can i find the mirrors? |
| 07:37.48 | StormShaman` | is there a way to install debian from windows? or from another computer? like i said, i've heard of a net install |
| 07:37.55 | Segers_J | StormShaman`: stable is old but reliable, testing is partly frozen right now, so it's more stable than usual, and usually it's not that bad. unstable is bleeding edge and from what I've seen, only people who really know their stuff can put up with it. (I gave up and reinstalled after 3-4 weeks of headaches.) |
| 07:38.06 | Phated | StormShaman`: Hm... There's loadlin, which I know nothing about. |
| 07:38.08 | StormShaman` | the other computers are macs, OS 9.1 and 10.? |
| 07:38.10 | jm_ | StormShaman`: there is in theory |
| 07:38.12 | xam | [sumo] apt-config? |
| 07:38.27 | [sumo] | for deboot? |
| 07:38.33 | xam | [sumo]: or just visit www.debian.org ... and click on "mirrors" |
| 07:38.37 | xam | [sumo]: yes |
| 07:38.57 | [sumo] | i am looking for mirrors on the debian site |
| 07:39.03 | xam | [sumo]: debootstrap is just using the usual debian pool |
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| 07:39.32 | [sumo] | ah, top right |
| 07:39.43 | [sumo] | http://www.au.debian.org/? |
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| 07:40.21 | xam | [sumo]: looks good, mate |
| 07:40.28 | [sumo] | nope |
| 07:40.32 | [sumo] | http://ftp.au.debian.org/distrib/ftplist |
| 07:40.34 | [sumo] | looks good |
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| 07:41.16 | vapo | hello, could anyone inform me as to how i can get my mouse to work even in console mode? |
| 07:41.31 | scarynetworkguy | vapo: apt-get install gpm the defualts should work |
| 07:41.38 | [sumo] | k its going |
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| 07:42.00 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. |
| 07:42.16 | [sumo] | what happens after this? |
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| 07:42.27 | StormShaman` | what version of Gnome does Debian come with? |
| 07:42.33 | k-god | [sumo]: If you haven't created your other filesystems and setup swap, do it now. |
| 07:42.35 | xam | [sumo]: I think you mean http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ |
| 07:42.43 | The_Vulture | StormShaman`: go use packages.debian.org and check for yourself |
| 07:42.46 | [sumo] | yeah thats what i used |
| 07:42.58 | [sumo] | i setup swap and fs's already |
| 07:42.58 | Segers_J | vapo: if the defaults don't work, /usr/share/doc/gpm/ has several usful things after the apt-get |
| 07:43.01 | [sumo] | no fstab or mounting yet tho |
| 07:43.21 | StormShaman` | The_Vulture, thanks for the URL |
| 07:43.42 | k-god | [sumo]: Yeah. You can get a leg up by creating the following files. |
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| 07:43.52 | [sumo] | crap |
| 07:44.18 | [sumo] | hang on |
| 07:44.19 | StormShaman` | hmm, this loadlin seems to be a bootloader, like LILO or GRUB |
| 07:44.21 | [sumo] | whats this sync stuff? |
| 07:44.33 | [sumo] | to activate? |
| 07:44.34 | xam | StormShaman: yes, it's for dos |
| 07:44.39 | StormShaman` | ah |
| 07:44.42 | k-god | [sumo]: /etc/fstab, /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, and /etc/modules if you have any modules you need to load at boot. You can use Knoppix's module list as a guide, FWIW. |
| 07:44.44 | StormShaman` | so it's not a way to install linux |
| 07:44.49 | StormShaman` | just a way to load it |
| 07:45.02 | k-god | [sumo]: "mkswap" ~= activate swap. |
| 07:45.10 | k-god | [sumo]: That's imprecise language on my part. |
| 07:45.13 | StormShaman` | i suppose i could install debian from the Gentoo CD if i tried hard enough :P |
| 07:45.27 | k-god | StormShaman`: Yeah. loadlin.exe lets you run a Linux kernel from a DOS boot. |
| 07:45.56 | [sumo] | i didnt run a screen, so i am gonna have to wait |
| 07:45.58 | k-god | StormShaman`: Back in the day, it was a useful way to load modules, sometimes, if they would only run from DOS. The HW would then be configured, and you could then boot a *real* OS. |
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| 07:46.07 | k-god | [sumo]: You have four consoles under Knoppix. |
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| 07:46.10 | StormShaman` | k-god, ah |
| 07:46.11 | [sumo] | how would i edit /etc/fstab etc anyway , it aint mounted |
| 07:46.12 | Segers_J | StormShaman`: that's what k-god and [sumo] are talking about (knoppix to install debian) |
| 07:46.17 | mst | morning debianites |
| 07:46.19 | StormShaman` | won't work with winxp i bet |
| 07:46.22 | k-god | [sumo]: ...you can chroot in if necessary, though for editing, it's almost better if you don't. |
| 07:46.38 | k-god | [sumo]: From knoppix: vi /mnt/target/etc/fstab. |
| 07:46.42 | StormShaman` | Segers_J, Knoppix? I have that CD but it freezes or something when i try to boot off it |
| 07:46.54 | [sumo] | oh lol |
| 07:46.54 | k-god | StormShaman`: No, it doesn't. |
| 07:47.01 | [sumo] | i think i'll wait for it to complete |
| 07:47.02 | StormShaman` | well not exactly freezes |
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| 07:47.13 | k-god | [sumo]: Yeah. Remember: the chroot just restricts all child processes to thinking they're in the chroot. |
| 07:47.17 | k-god | [sumo]: NP. |
| 07:47.18 | StormShaman` | but the monitor goes into sleep mode, which means that it is not receiving signals |
| 07:47.21 | [sumo] | mine seemed like it freezes too, just wait it out StormShaman` |
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| 07:47.44 | k-god | Erick: Don't do that. |
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| 07:47.51 | Erick | sorry |
| 07:47.53 | StormShaman` | [sumo], does it make your monitor stop receiving signals though? or just that the monitor goes black bux the LED stays green? |
| 07:48.05 | [sumo] | monitor goes black |
| 07:48.09 | [sumo] | but "knoppix 2" is fine |
| 07:48.20 | [sumo] | it doesnt go black if i run knoppix aftter booting to run level 2 |
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| 07:48.28 | [sumo] | just startx, and it works at high reso , even tho the monitors shit |
| 07:48.32 | StormShaman` | run level 2? |
| 07:48.34 | StormShaman` | what's that? |
| 07:48.41 | [sumo] | command line |
| 07:48.44 | [sumo] | text |
| 07:48.45 | StormShaman` | OK |
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| 07:48.49 | StormShaman` | the console |
| 07:48.51 | StormShaman` | k |
| 07:49.05 | StormShaman` | so 1 is X? |
| 07:49.10 | jm_ | no |
| 07:49.11 | ericb | I have been working with linux for years and still I can't I am not the commmander of my ship |
| 07:49.13 | [sumo] | so if u get black mon, yeah solution is to just boot to text with 'knoppix 2' then 'startx' |
| 07:49.20 | jm_ | there's no special runlevel for X in Debian, that's RH-ism |
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| 07:49.40 | StormShaman` | well if 2 means it's console, what means it's X? |
| 07:49.41 | The_Vulture | [sumo]: knoppix what? |
| 07:49.53 | ericb | where do I get stuff to extract zip and rar files? |
| 07:50.05 | vapo | hrmm.. where does gpm dump the config file? the default didnt work for my logitech optical mouse.. |
| 07:50.06 | jm_ | apt-cache search zip rar |
| 07:50.06 | [sumo] | The_Vulture: 'knoppix 2', 2 is a cheatcode for runlevel2 |
| 07:50.08 | ericb | can I find the utils in Aptitude or something |
| 07:50.10 | StormShaman` | ericb, unzip to unzip |
| 07:50.14 | jm_ | vapo: in /etc obviously |
| 07:50.29 | StormShaman` | "unzip <file.zip>" |
| 07:50.38 | [sumo] | *Sigh* i am so wasted |
| 07:50.41 | ericb | StoreShaman: I don't have it, I wanna install it |
| 07:50.53 | StormShaman` | ericb, funny, you should have it |
| 07:50.53 | k-god | ericb: Switching from RH to Deb taught me tons more in three months than I'd picked up in three years. |
| 07:50.55 | StormShaman` | but OK |
| 07:50.58 | jm_ | actually "zip rar" is not the right search term, one has to make two searches |
| 07:51.09 | k-god | StormShaman`: Debian doesn't use runlevels to select/deselect X |
| 07:51.26 | [sumo] | k-god: cool, i am swtiching from rh to debian it seems |
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| 07:51.36 | ericb | ericb: Yeah I switched to debian too, but I can't format mount my dvdrom now, although configuring X is a breese now |
| 07:51.40 | SlayerXP | I should send it a patch for apt-get so "apt-get a clue" works :) |
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| 07:52.00 | k-god | xam: Shit howdy. |
| 07:52.11 | ericb | StormShaman`: I don't have it though |
| 07:52.21 | StormShaman` | ericb, no idea |
| 07:52.26 | Segers_J | ericb: apt-get install unrar unzip (asuming you have non-free in sources.list) |
| 07:52.27 | ericb | StormShaman`: whereis is located for u? |
| 07:52.41 | jm_ | don't use unrar from unstable, it's quite non-functional |
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| 07:52.50 | ericb | Segers_J: Cool let me try, I think I did that though and nothin |
| 07:52.50 | [sumo] | k-god: um my screen is black? |
| 07:52.55 | k-god | [sumo]: Yes, WRT booting Knoppix. 'F1' at boot gives most of the cheatcodes. Generally I run 'knoppix 2 vga=6' |
| 07:53.00 | Meshuggin | Hi , I was wondering...what can i do to convert my / and boot from ext3 to reiserfs ... can I copy all / and boot to another partition , format the original / and boot ? |
| 07:53.06 | k-god | [sumo]: Console or X? |
| 07:53.14 | k-god | [sumo]: ...what happens if you hit, say, the shift key? |
| 07:53.18 | [sumo] | k-god: i have no idea, its just black |
| 07:53.26 | SlayerXP | Meshuggin: before you use reiser, you need to have a tested backup system in place. |
| 07:53.26 | k-god | [sumo]: ...or <ctrl><alt>F1 |
| 07:53.29 | StormShaman` | ericb, /usr/bin/unzip |
| 07:53.31 | [sumo] | ok its back, just screensaver |
| 07:53.41 | xam | k-god: I'll do it once again, time I use "file:///" instead of "http://localhost/" as the URL ... let's see whether I can squeeze out another minute |
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| 07:53.45 | ericb | StormShaman; Kool, thx |
| 07:53.48 | k-god | [sumo]: Yeah. tset or xset will blank it after ~10 minutes or so. |
| 07:53.49 | [sumo] | false alarm :) |
| 07:53.51 | xam | s/time/this time/ |
| 07:53.54 | torbjorn | is it possible to have postfix abort mail delivery? |
| 07:53.54 | Meshuggin | SlayerXP yeah , I considered that |
| 07:53.58 | k-god | xam: Heh. |
| 07:54.09 | ericb | Segers_J: Thx a bunch, dunno why that didn't work before, maybe spelled somethig wrong |
| 07:54.16 | StormShaman` | ericb, if it doesn't work, type updatedb |
| 07:54.18 | Segers_J | :) |
| 07:54.23 | [sumo] | k-god: knoppix 2 vga=6, what does vga=6 do? |
| 07:54.26 | StormShaman` | ericb, when it's done, type locate unzip |
| 07:54.34 | k-god | [sumo]: 80x60 char screen. |
| 07:54.35 | [sumo] | select the 6th option for rows/colomns? |
| 07:54.39 | [sumo] | yeah..hmm |
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| 07:54.48 | k-god | [sumo]: ...unless there's some compelling reason you *want* 80x24.... |
| 07:54.48 | [sumo] | that never seems to work for my server. |
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| 07:55.22 | k-god | [sumo]: You can do 'vga=ask' and be prompted for a list of (hopefully) legal values. |
| 07:55.37 | Segers_J | StormShaman`: uh, locate wouldn't have something 2 minutes old in its database unless you ran updatedb first right? |
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| 07:55.46 | k-god | Segers_J: Quite. |
| 07:55.52 | StormShaman` | Segers_J, did you read what i told him to do? |
| 07:55.57 | k-god | Segers_J: It's run nightly in cron.daily by default. |
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| 07:56.05 | StormShaman` | Segers_J, <StormShaman`> ericb, if it doesn't work, type updatedb <StormShaman`> ericb, when it's done, type locate unzip |
| 07:56.07 | Dickie | hmm |
| 07:56.18 | Dickie | every time I try to use unrar to extract files it fails the extraction |
| 07:56.19 | Segers_J | StormShaman`: oh, missed a line. |
| 07:56.26 | Dickie | anyone know what would cause that? |
| 07:56.28 | StormShaman` | It's OK |
| 07:56.36 | jm_ | Dickie: use rar instead of unrar |
| 07:56.42 | Dickie | thanks |
| 07:56.48 | ericb | unzip worked but not unrar |
| 07:56.51 | k-god | Dickie: RAR is a somewhat variable format. That could be one problem. |
| 07:56.52 | Segers_J | k-god good to know. thanks. |
| 07:57.14 | k-god | Dickie: ...check the filetype via magic: 'file <myfile>' -- see if it really is a RAR. |
| 07:57.27 | k-god | Dickie: people are *awfully* sloppy about correctly denoting MSFT file formats. |
| 07:57.33 | Dickie | it is indeed a rar |
| 07:57.33 | Segers_J | ericb: check your $HOME it puts all my stuff there for no apparent reason. |
| 07:57.35 | deadcat | see you guy sat linuxworldexpo tomorrow. |
| 07:57.42 | Dickie | I can unrar if I boot into xp |
| 07:57.58 | jm_ | unrar for windows is not the same as unrar for linux |
| 07:58.05 | Dickie | hrm |
| 07:58.12 | xam | k-god: debootstrap finished again, this time 5m5s instead of 5m24s ;) |
| 07:58.14 | k-god | Anyone know about the EFF dinner or whatever after LWCE Tuesday? |
| 07:58.14 | Dickie | any way I can unrar it here in linux? |
| 07:58.28 | k-god | xam: Stop gloating!!!! |
| 07:58.28 | jm_ | why are people so stubborn ? you give them a solution to their problem but they completely ignore it, ranting about the problem again |
| 07:58.34 | jm_ | I fucking told you, use rar |
| 07:58.37 | xam | k-god: just /ignore me ;) |
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| 07:58.39 | Dickie | ... |
| 07:58.44 | k-god | xam: Heh. |
| 07:58.58 | jmspeex | Any idea how to setup Japanese fonts correctly? |
| 07:59.00 | k-god | xam: ...that's actually somewhat stolen from a group I used to hang with. |
| 07:59.08 | k-god | xam: ...I'd been extolling Debian for a while. |
| 07:59.14 | k-god | xam: ...and been getting shit for it. |
| 07:59.25 | k-god | xam: ...then about three years ago, others started trying it out...and liking it. |
| 07:59.32 | jmspeex | I have a pdf with some kanji characters and I can't get them to display even if I apt-get all the japanese fonts I can find. |
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| 07:59.51 | k-god | xam: ...to which I responded with just: *gloat* -- in the chat thingie we were using. |
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| 08:00.10 | StormShaman` | what version of Gnome does Debian come with? searching packages.debian.org for "Gnome" only returns things like Gnome-Pilot and Gnome-GV |
| 08:00.16 | [sumo] | k-god: done |
| 08:00.23 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. |
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| 08:00.42 | Segers_J | StormShaman`: stable has 1.4 |
| 08:00.45 | k-god | [sumo]: /etc/fstab, /etc/network/interfaces, /etc/resolv.conf, /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname, and /etc/modules if you have any modules you need to load at boot. You can use Knoppix's module list as a guide, FWIW. |
| 08:00.53 | [sumo] | crap. |
| 08:00.55 | [sumo] | from scratch? |
| 08:01.09 | k-god | [sumo]: Well, one reason I recommended screen was that it lets you copy/paste a lot. |
| 08:01.14 | jm_ | StormShaman`: no it doesn't, it returns 144k HTML file with many packages |
| 08:01.15 | StormShaman` | well, when i tried mandrake 9.0, I hated the gnome that came with it, which was i think 1.4, but i'm liking the new gnome |
| 08:01.25 | [sumo] | k-god :( |
| 08:01.33 | k-god | [sumo]: There's a sample of /etc/network/interfaces in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/ somewhere. |
| 08:01.47 | StormShaman` | jm_, you count the kiB? and that's basically what i said |
| 08:01.48 | thomas_adam | [sumo]: hey, you want to RTFM: man 5 interfaces |
| 08:01.51 | xam | k-god: ;) |
| 08:01.57 | riveratsmall | hi |
| 08:01.58 | k-god | [sumo]: ... echo "hostname" > /etc/hostname |
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| 08:02.14 | jm_ | StormShaman`: no you mentioned two packages only, that's about 2-3k text, not 144k |
| 08:02.16 | thomas_adam | [sumo]: or if you can't do that (or won't, or your mum says otherwise): install etherconf |
| 08:02.22 | StormShaman` | jm_, my point was that it doesn't return gnome itself |
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| 08:02.34 | [sumo] | heh |
| 08:02.35 | k-god | [sumo]: You can copy resolv.conf and hosts from Knoppix (there may be symlinks, check first). |
| 08:02.35 | StormShaman` | <StormShaman`> what version of Gnome does Debian come with? searching packages.debian.org for "Gnome" only returns things ***LIKE*** Gnome-Pilot and Gnome-GV |
| 08:02.36 | [sumo] | etherconf eh |
| 08:02.53 | StormShaman` | jm_, read the whole thing very slowly |
| 08:02.53 | [sumo] | fun fun |
| 08:03.03 | amyb | storm try searching on gdm instead maybe? |
| 08:03.08 | jm_ | StormShaman`: no - you read it again, my point is that it does |
| 08:03.14 | thomas_adam | [sumo]: Well, etherconf is for the lame and bone idle. |
| 08:03.17 | k-god | [sumo]: ...and the previously mentioned webpage has a decent stub of /etc/fstab. |
| 08:03.45 | StormShaman` | jm_, it does what? it does only return apps that come with Gnome and the like, and not what version of Gnome itself? |
| 08:04.10 | StormShaman` | <jm_> StormShaman`: no it doesn't |
| 08:04.11 | StormShaman` | <jm_> StormShaman`: no - you read it again, my point is that it does |
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| 08:04.43 | [sumo] | ic |
| 08:04.47 | [sumo] | >_< |
| 08:04.53 | thomas_adam | [sumo]: ic 1 male? |
| 08:05.14 | jm_ | StormShaman`: the version is given on the page for specific package for some packages - but it's trivial to figure it out from the listing |
| 08:06.00 | StormShaman` | jm_, well, trivial if you know things like the fact that dia-gnome 0.88.1-3 comes with gnome 1.4, which i did not |
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| 08:06.33 | jm_ | StormShaman`: no, gnome-control-center is much better candidate |
| 08:06.37 | jm_ | or gnome-core |
| 08:06.42 | vapo | this is fun.. did an install of the bf24 kernel and modules, once the base system install was done, upgraded to sarge, apt-get bitchx now on to X11.. |
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| 08:07.10 | StormShaman` | i did not know that the version numbers of those would equate to the version numbers of the distro |
| 08:07.18 | jm_ | or gnome-games if the migration to sarge would be finished |
| 08:07.19 | Segers_J | vapo: have you gotten or made a non-install kernel? |
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| 08:07.29 | jm_ | now you're not making sense |
| 08:07.32 | vapo | why dont more people use window managers like blackbox or flux?? they seem to 'get the job' done.. i like simplicity and low overhead.. |
| 08:07.38 | StormShaman` | err |
| 08:07.42 | vapo | Segers_J heh, i just blew away windows today :) |
| 08:07.43 | StormShaman` | s/distro/gnome version/ |
| 08:08.07 | jm_ | it would be better if all the tools did, but they don't so it's a bit messy |
| 08:08.12 | Segers_J | vapo: cool |
| 08:08.13 | vapo | i have freebsd expirience but its just setting up simple snort/netsaint and squid servers... |
| 08:08.25 | vapo | decided id blow my workstation laptop away and get with the times.. |
| 08:08.27 | StormShaman` | vapo, tried amiwm? minimalist to the extreme, but very usable and has a neat implementation of virtual desktops |
| 08:09.05 | vapo | StormShaman` heh im also a bit of a picky fucker, is it 'crappy' looking like the xwm or is it fvwm?? |
| 08:09.06 | Segers_J | ratpoison is minimalist to the extreme. |
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| 08:09.18 | StormShaman` | vapo, what is xwm? never seen it |
| 08:09.23 | StormShaman` | Segers_J, true |
| 08:09.27 | vapo | ohh.. then i probably names it wrong :) |
| 08:09.30 | vapo | named* |
| 08:09.37 | StormShaman` | Segers_J, it's not a window manager so much as a pane manageer :P |
| 08:09.37 | vapo | the one that comes with X11 |
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| 08:09.45 | StormShaman` | vapo, oh twm |
| 08:09.51 | vapo | heh.. |
| 08:09.53 | thomas_adam | twm is good. |
| 08:09.53 | vapo | gross.. |
| 08:10.02 | thomas_adam | you can configure it, you know. |
| 08:10.09 | StormShaman` | yeah but why bother? |
| 08:10.28 | vapo | blackbox gets the job done for me.. just edit the menu and im done.. |
| 08:10.28 | thomas_adam | Well, quite. Be a brainless moron and use KDE or Gnome. |
| 08:10.29 | Phated | StormShaman`: Why bother with Debian, then? :| |
| 08:10.29 | StormShaman` | takes even less time to install amiwm than to configure twm to be one tenth as good |
| 08:10.47 | StormShaman` | vapo, yes, blackbox is very nice, i use it sometimes |
| 08:10.52 | thomas_adam | Each to their own, of course. |
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| 08:11.02 | Segers_J | thomas_adam: hey! us brainless morons don't want HIM. ;) |
| 08:11.05 | StormShaman` | even if you configure twm, it's still ugly |
| 08:11.10 | jm_ | if amiwm has any resemblance to citroen ami, it must be utter crap :P |
| 08:11.11 | StormShaman` | you can't do much with it |
| 08:11.21 | StormShaman` | what's citroen ami? |
| 08:11.29 | jm_ | haha Newsflash: amiwm0.20pl48 now out! (1998-03-15) |
| 08:11.30 | vapo | this is actually my second attempt at getting it running today, im having problems configuring my ati radeon mobility card.. |
| 08:11.33 | StormShaman` | it is a remake of the amiga workbench window manager |
| 08:11.41 | vapo | heh.. |
| 08:11.47 | StormShaman` | yeah amiwm is old but it's not like it needs updates |
| 08:12.03 | ericb | Package unrar has no available version, but exists in the database. |
| 08:12.03 | ericb | This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and |
| 08:12.03 | ericb | never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents |
| 08:12.03 | ericb | of sources.list |
| 08:12.03 | ericb | eas: Package unrar has no installation candidate |
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| 08:12.09 | adoroas | hi |
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| 08:12.42 | thomas_adam | ericb: hey, look at the /topic -- OMG: #flood |
| 08:12.49 | ericb | I know, my bad |
| 08:13.26 | [sumo] | k-god: i have a miraculous new hdb11? |
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| 08:14.11 | StormShaman` | jm_, sorry about the argument earlier |
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| 08:14.28 | jm_ | StormShaman`: there's nothing to be sorry about |
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| 08:14.56 | StormShaman` | k |
| 08:14.56 | simonrvn | meh |
| 08:15.17 | ericb | Nelly Furtado - 2003 - Folklore - the file header is corrupt. No files to extract. Is there a way to still get the file if header is corrupt? |
| 08:15.19 | simonrvn | killed something, and took the machine with it |
| 08:15.33 | jm_ | ericb: try using newer version of rar, not unrar |
| 08:15.37 | jm_ | simonrvn: kernel bug ? |
| 08:15.41 | colde89 | how to edit open.inc.php ?? |
| 08:15.42 | StormShaman` | i'm not sure what the case is, but is it possible to join the "network neighborhood" of windows PCs? |
| 08:15.47 | ericb | I used rar, dunno what version though |
| 08:15.54 | simonrvn | jm_: nah, just MOL fucking up |
| 08:16.00 | Segers_J | StormShaman`: google samba |
| 08:16.04 | jm_ | StormShaman`: LinNeighborhood, smbclient, smbfs, ... |
| 08:16.11 | jm_ | simonrvn: MOL ? |
| 08:16.15 | ericb | jm_: so you dont think its the .rar file itself but my rar extractor |
| 08:16.21 | StormShaman` | OK, so that's what samba is |
| 08:16.21 | simonrvn | mac-on-linux |
| 08:16.31 | jm_ | ericb: check the version of rar you have |
| 08:16.33 | jm_ | ahh |
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| 08:16.46 | jm_ | samba is for the opposite, lets windows machines access files on Unix servers |
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| 08:17.05 | StormShaman` | oh so they have to install something on their end |
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| 08:17.11 | ericb | jm_: how do I check the version? |
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| 08:17.27 | jm_ | no, you install and configure samba on Unix machine and they see it in neighborhood |
| 08:17.31 | jm_ | ericb: type rar |
| 08:17.32 | StormShaman` | oh OK |
| 08:17.37 | StormShaman` | would i see them? |
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| 08:17.46 | Segers_J | StormShaman`: no, samba lets linux speak smb |
| 08:17.47 | ericb | jm_: I have rar 2.80 |
| 08:17.51 | yo2lux | hi all, which command need to change video card resolution, i change with xf86config but not work. Exist another way ? |
| 08:18.23 | jm_ | ericb: get 3.30 |
| 08:18.33 | StormShaman` | in other words, i can't see them, and they don't have much need of my files, so them seeing me is almost useless |
| 08:18.36 | ericb | jm_: where from? |
| 08:18.39 | StormShaman` | oh well |
| 08:18.42 | jm_ | yo2lux: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:18.48 | jm_ | ericb: sarge/sid |
| 08:18.58 | ericb | jm_: ? |
| 08:19.03 | karlfr | Samba has both client and server. You can use it to mount Windows shares. |
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| 08:19.18 | StormShaman` | oh, Segers_J though otherwise, but OK |
| 08:19.22 | jm_ | ericb: ! |
| 08:19.33 | ericb | jm_: sarge/sid? |
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| 08:19.38 | yo2lux | jm_ thanks |
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| 08:19.54 | jm_ | ericb: yes |
| 08:20.00 | Segers_J | StormShaman`: sorry for the confusion, I was answering your previous question (slow typer here. |
| 08:20.18 | StormShaman` | oh OK |
| 08:20.19 | StormShaman` | my bad |
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| 08:20.47 | ericb | jm_: is there an ap-get istall way to upgrade my rar from 2.8 to 3.3? |
| 08:20.53 | StormShaman` | is it possible to set up smb without knowing anything about the computers to which i will connect? |
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| 08:21.10 | jm_ | ericb: no, try downloading the deb manually and dpkg -i it |
| 08:21.16 | yo2lux | exist a way to use mouse scrool in debian ? i have a PS2 mouse |
| 08:21.28 | ericb | jm_: Ok, thx, I'm off to it then |
| 08:21.28 | jm_ | yo2lux: use appropriate protocol and it will work |
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| 08:22.02 | StormShaman` | yo2lux, try xf86config |
| 08:22.10 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:23.07 | ericb | jm_: the debian site is only offerring 2.8 |
| 08:23.13 | jm_ | ericb: no |
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| 08:23.36 | jm_ | ericb: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=rar&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=non-free |
| 08:24.10 | simonrvn | fuck i hate the aol proxies |
| 08:24.19 | vapo | i love em.. |
| 08:24.30 | ericb | jm_thx |
| 08:24.30 | simonrvn | "let's request the same page 4 5 times" |
| 08:24.40 | simonrvn | vapo: you obviously don't run a web server |
| 08:24.55 | karlfr | StormShaman`, I don't know of a way to browse smb shares with just Samba, but "lisa" will let you browse a Windows Network Neighborhood. |
| 08:25.03 | vapo | simonrvn you obviously don't interpret sarcasm.. |
| 08:25.10 | vapo | very well. |
| 08:25.13 | simonrvn | vapo: my bad :) |
| 08:25.16 | vapo | :) |
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| 08:25.19 | StormShaman` | well you know what RMS would do in this situation, write a long essay to the person sending you RARs explaining why proprietary technology is evil, and please send it to me in an open format |
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| 08:25.32 | vapo | i figured, kinda hard to tell with bland text :) |
| 08:25.35 | simonrvn | vapo: i'm tired, it's turned off, my <sarc> tag detector |
| 08:25.43 | StormShaman` | karlfr, lisa? know of a site? googling would likely just return porn |
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| 08:26.23 | vapo | StormShaman` whats wrong with that? |
| 08:26.24 | simonrvn | crap, the ttnet bots are back |
| 08:26.37 | karlfr | google "lisa smb". Not too much Samba pron out there yet. :-) |
| 08:26.49 | vapo | StormShaman` you may have better lock with http://google.com/linux |
| 08:26.50 | Segers_J | StormShaman`: I use freshmeat.net and/or sourceforge.net to find linux programs |
| 08:27.00 | vapo | luck* |
| 08:27.26 | karlfr | Fyi, it's "LAN Information Server" |
| 08:27.42 | StormShaman` | OK, sorry I'm new at linux, I did not know of these sites |
| 08:27.59 | StormShaman` | karlfr, where's the a from? |
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| 08:28.25 | karlfr | StormShaman`, good question. :-I |
| 08:28.37 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test2 |
| 08:28.38 | ravenbird | No, i'm not online anymore. |
| 08:28.43 | Phated | karlfr: StormShaman`: From all the vowels AOLers leave off their words. |
| 08:28.49 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:28.51 | Segers_J | hahaha |
| 08:28.53 | karlfr | hehe |
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| 08:29.35 | zsolti | www.vilagszinvonal.hu |
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| 08:29.42 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 08:30.28 | simonrvn | i alerted the right people... |
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| 08:31.02 | PerfDave | "apt-cache search" and http://packages.debian.org/ are good ways to find Linux software on a Debian system ;) |
| 08:31.51 | nobody2 | should i be having sid or unstable in sources.list or does it matter? |
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| 08:32.21 | PerfDave | nobody2: It shouldn't matter. woody/stable and sarge/testing does make a difference however. |
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| 08:32.35 | alexb2283 | 'lo |
| 08:32.37 | k-god | [sumo]: You do? |
| 08:32.45 | [sumo] | yo? |
| 08:32.54 | [sumo] | i did the fstab |
| 08:32.55 | k-god | [sumo]: Something about hdb11? |
| 08:32.57 | nobody2 | k, thanks, I just did a dist-upgrade and it hosed locales |
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| 08:33.01 | simonrvn | presonal preference, and partially admin decision too. matters more if it's for testing/sarge stable/woody. the 'testing / stable' settings can cross version changes like woody -> sarge |
| 08:33.11 | alexb2283 | does anyone have a quick hack to make squid at least log url parameters ? (blah.php?blah=blah) |
| 08:33.13 | jm_ | yeah, better use codenames |
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| 08:33.21 | [sumo] | shud i be mounting /proc , or doing /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:33.34 | SlayerXP | alexb2283: that's a FAQ |
| 08:33.40 | SlayerXP | (i know, I wrote it) |
| 08:33.54 | k-god | [sumo]: Mounting /proc makes some of the subsequent stuff better. |
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| 08:34.01 | alexb2283 | SlayerXP: lol. googling right now |
| 08:34.10 | alexb2283 | only found an unanswered group posting |
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| 08:34.14 | simonrvn | ...and actually work in some cases |
| 08:34.20 | SlayerXP | alexb2283: just look in the squid faq, or your squid config file. |
| 08:34.34 | [sumo] | proc already mounted |
| 08:34.42 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. |
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| 08:34.48 | [sumo] | thats the output :( |
| 08:34.49 | alexb2283 | SlayerXP: do you have a keyword ? got the faq open right now |
| 08:34.51 | [sumo] | prob knoppix proc |
| 08:34.52 | k-god | [sumo]: cat /proc/mounts # from within the chroot. |
| 08:35.02 | k-god | [sumo]: You can mount /proc multiple times. |
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| 08:35.09 | [sumo] | ookay... |
| 08:35.35 | philipp | Hi everybody iam using Debian Sarge with kernel 2.6.6 my Homedir is on a seperate Partition which is crypted using my userpassword is it possible to automount the Partition when I log in into gdm? |
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| 08:36.20 | StormShaman` | wow, what a mouthfull, with no full stops either |
| 08:36.24 | riveratlarge | hi |
| 08:36.27 | simonrvn | philipp: pam module for that pam_mount IIRC |
| 08:36.27 | StormShaman` | not that it matters |
| 08:36.44 | SlayerXP | alexb2283: the config option you need is log_mime_hdrs |
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| 08:37.01 | jm_ | simonrvn: but it might be problematic supplying the password or does it have parameters for that ? |
| 08:37.09 | philipp | simonrvn: thank you |
| 08:37.30 | simonrvn | jm_: can't recall. |
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| 08:38.07 | yo2lux | when im install gnome with apt-get install gnome-core is enough to start gnome ? |
| 08:38.36 | alexb2283 | SlayerXP: lol. I wouldn't have found this |
| 08:38.38 | [sumo] | whats meant to go into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:38.51 | jm_ | Pam_mount will prompt for a password and export it to the PAM system. |
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| 08:39.34 | vapo | bleh.. |
| 08:39.38 | SlayerXP | alexb2283: why not? can't you read? |
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| 08:39.54 | nobody2 | easy to downgrade from sid to sarge? if so whats the trick? |
| 08:40.22 | philipp | jm_: simonrvn: what I actually want, is that I have to enter my password just once |
| 08:40.23 | Segers_J | yo2lux: I just apt-got gnome when I did it, small drive? |
| 08:40.24 | alexb2283 | SlayerXP: strange though, no effect |
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| 08:40.29 | alexb2283 | SlayerXP: hold on |
| 08:40.36 | jm_ | philipp: read pam_mount docs |
| 08:41.10 | yo2lux | Segers_J my internet connection is slow :( and the drive is 30GB only, with gnome and x11, 6% used from HDD |
| 08:41.39 | jm_ | 30G only ;) |
| 08:41.54 | philipp | jm_: simonrvn: yes i will do thank you very much and bye bye |
| 08:41.56 | StormShaman` | 30 is plenty, i'm on a 10GiB |
| 08:42.00 | lucas | straight after building and installing my 2.6 kernel (using make-kpkg) i've tried to run 'depmod -F /boot/System.map -a 2.6.7' and received an unresolved symbol message for every module... what am i doing wrong? |
| 08:42.04 | alexb2283 | SlayerXP: it doesn't have any effect |
| 08:42.17 | alexb2283 | SlayerXP: we _are_ talking about the same thing ? URL parameters ? |
| 08:42.18 | lucas | */boot/System.map-2.6.7 |
| 08:42.20 | yo2lux | StormShaman` which desktop u use ? |
| 08:42.25 | thomas_adam | dpkg, tell nobody2 about downgrade |
| 08:42.35 | StormShaman` | yo2lux, i'm on gnome-light on gentoo right now |
| 08:42.46 | nobody2 | thanks, thomas :) |
| 08:42.51 | StormShaman` | i didn't want gnome because it takes too long to compile and it comes with mozilla when i have firefox |
| 08:42.59 | SlayerXP | alexb2283: I think so. |
| 08:43.07 | thomas_adam | nobody2: In short, the answer is: "not easily" and almost certainly: "No". |
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| 08:43.54 | nobody2 | thomas_adam, fun fun...lol, now i guess i better just wait for locales to come back eh? |
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| 08:44.25 | thomas_adam | nobody2: Since when has 'locales' been any reason to consider downgrading? |
| 08:44.40 | thomas_adam | nobody2: And even then, you shouldn't be using unstable. |
| 08:45.05 | alexb2283 | SlayerXP: very strange. now it works, after another HUP... |
| 08:45.41 | alexb2283 | SlayerXP: only thing i'm not sure if i want is the actual mime headers. lol |
| 08:45.43 | lucas | nvm, didn't have module-init-tools installed |
| 08:45.49 | nobody2 | thomas_adam, Its been a while since ive booted into debian, unstable it was it was before |
| 08:46.00 | thomas_adam | nobody2: was it was it? |
| 08:46.02 | alexb2283 | SlayerXP: (not sure if srg can handle those) |
| 08:46.10 | SlayerXP | alexb2283: you have my permission to never ever say "lol" again. |
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| 08:46.41 | nobody2 | thomas, hrmm, what you mean by that? yes it was truely unstable cause i wanted something back then |
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| 08:46.46 | RMis | hi everybody |
| 08:46.49 | [sumo] | '/etc/host' or '/etc/hosts', coz host is there? |
| 08:46.58 | alexb2283 | SlayerXP: you have my permission to not tell me what to say |
| 08:46.59 | jm_ | man hosts |
| 08:47.10 | nobody2 | something that was not in woody or testing, forget |
| 08:47.21 | thomas_adam | nobody2: well, whatever... but you should know that it is called 'unstable' for a reason. ;) |
| 08:47.30 | RMis | can anyone help me with some guidence how to create netinstall cd with custom kernel |
| 08:47.32 | Segers_J | RMis: haha, sorry that made me remember that simpson's doctor character. :) |
| 08:47.48 | thomas_adam | !tell RMis about custom netinst |
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| 08:47.53 | RMis | Segers_J: yeap i tried to impersonate that one :) |
| 08:48.08 | PerfDave | Hi Dr RMis! |
| 08:48.09 | thomas_adam | nobody2: backports. |
| 08:48.10 | k-god | [sumo]: So how goes? I'm wrestling with 'Doze here... |
| 08:48.15 | RMis | irc rock :) |
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| 08:48.22 | nobody2 | thomas, yes, not arguing with that, im not regretting using unstable either |
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| 08:48.44 | nobody2 | thomas_adam, this is not a production environment anyway |
| 08:48.51 | carzac | Hi * . I have a question about samba. samba-3.0.5-1 has ldap support? (thanks) |
| 08:48.53 | thomas_adam | nobody2: I should hope not. |
| 08:49.01 | thomas_adam | carzac: #samba |
| 08:49.12 | RMis | thank you thomas_adam |
| 08:49.17 | carzac | ok |
| 08:49.18 | thomas_adam | RMis: Pleasure. |
| 08:49.25 | RMis | you made my day :) |
| 08:49.26 | nobody2 | thomas_adam, i managed to downgrade back to some of it |
| 08:49.38 | [sumo] | k-god: sorry, slow as fuck |
| 08:49.42 | PerfDave | I know people who run Debian/unstable, Gentoo and other unsuitable systems in production environments. They are fools. |
| 08:49.43 | thomas_adam | nobody2: I would not advise it. |
| 08:49.47 | [sumo] | i need a hostname |
| 08:49.48 | [sumo] | ":? |
| 08:49.49 | nobody2 | thomas_adam, Id probably be happy with sarge but its not final |
| 08:49.54 | thomas_adam | [sumo]: MAN HOSTS |
| 08:50.01 | k-god | [sumo]: What do you plan on calling your computer? |
| 08:50.03 | [sumo] | nah |
| 08:50.08 | [sumo] | k-god, exactly |
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| 08:50.20 | thomas_adam | nobody2: best thing you can do is reinstall. |
| 08:50.25 | k-god | [sumo]: I suggest: marilyn |
| 08:50.30 | [sumo] | hah |
| 08:50.46 | Segers_J | [sumo]: how about a famous director? I used a machine called hitchcock once |
| 08:50.46 | nobody2 | thomas_adam, anyhow, thanks for your help, all the packages are ii at the moment but cant ureinstall some cause of dependency probs |
| 08:51.03 | deadcat | hmm. i uncomment the line about only wheel group can su, now i cant even sudo su - |
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| 08:51.05 | aum | hi - how do i increase process limit? pthread creation bombs out after 256 - ulimit -u 4096 has no effect |
| 08:51.23 | k-god | [sumo]: Honestly: names that *don't* match the role of the box usually work better. |
| 08:51.36 | nobody2 | thomas_adam, dont you mean fresh install with sarge or? |
| 08:51.37 | [sumo] | k-god whys that? |
| 08:51.38 | k-god | [sumo]: ...among other things, you don't have to rename the box as you change/move/add/remove roles |
| 08:51.47 | thomas_adam | nobody2: Whatever you want. |
| 08:52.20 | deadcat | do i have to reread the stuff in pam.d? |
| 08:52.29 | [sumo] | mmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 08:52.31 | k-god | [sumo]: Similarly, highly rational numbering schemes don't work for a few reasons. Among them, they tend to change with management styles and/or adapt to additions/deletions of HW poorly. |
| 08:52.42 | nobody2 | thomas_adam, well I'm irnorannt with backport so i guess sarge it is :) |
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| 08:53.05 | thomas_adam | nobody2: Ignorant, you mean. Hmm, I can tell that. |
| 08:53.11 | k-god | [sumo]: ...while a loosely cohesive scheme tends to add a sort of mnemonic character. So: movie stars, planets, gods/goddeses from obscure religions, authors, colors, etc. |
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| 08:53.36 | thomas_adam | nobody1: So yes, a fresh install. |
| 08:53.37 | k-god | [sumo]: ...most of mine are named for principles (both ideas and people) from gestalt psycology, FWIW. |
| 08:53.38 | [sumo] | hmm interesting |
| 08:53.41 | Phated | k-god: Never forget the book titles. :) |
| 08:53.42 | PerfDave | I live in hope. |
| 08:53.50 | Segers_J | [sumo]: I'd recommend against ancient gods of war or confusion, just a superstition but a friend of mine named his Loki, and had hardware problems. |
| 08:54.07 | k-god | Phated: Dig. |
| 08:54.19 | Phated | k-god: Aye. |
| 08:54.23 | PerfDave | At my old workplace, we used 2000AD comic book characters - all the web servers were named after Judges from Judge Dredd, for example. |
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| 08:55.11 | Phated | And Lord of the Rings cities, |
| 08:55.12 | Phated | . |
| 08:55.18 | k-god | When I was at UCD, they were named after TV cartoons. |
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| 08:55.31 | k-god | rocky@ucdavis.edu. bullwinkle@ucdavis.edu... |
| 08:55.52 | k-god | Phated: Um. Allusion? |
| 08:55.57 | Phated | k-god: Eh? |
| 08:56.10 | [sumo] | so i am making these files in /mnt/target/etc yea? |
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| 08:56.14 | [sumo] | and not /etc like u said |
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| 08:56.48 | Daniel304 | is there a way on the hostmachine when logged in as root to see the console of other people to see what they are doing ?!? |
| 08:57.29 | PerfDave | Daniel304: One way might be to tail ~user/.bash_history ? |
| 08:57.35 | k-god | Phated: What's the reference? |
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| 08:57.45 | Phated | k-god: HOstnames. |
| 08:57.51 | k-god | Daniel304: Um. ttysnoop, IIRC. |
| 08:57.59 | [sumo] | wtf fs is now ro.. cant write damn hostname file |
| 08:58.03 | k-god | Phated: You're kidding! |
| 08:58.08 | Phated | k-god: What? |
| 08:58.14 | k-god | [sumo]: ls -ld /etc/hostname |
| 08:58.18 | alexb2283 | Daniel304: or if they can know... attaching a second console to a running screen |
| 08:58.21 | k-god | [sumo]: It's probably a link to the Knoppix hostname file. |
| 08:58.23 | SlayerXP | Daniel304: spying on users is immoral |
| 08:58.27 | k-god | [sumo]: ...delete and recreate it. |
| 08:58.33 | Phated | And very 1984 too. |
| 08:58.36 | [sumo] | it doesnt exist |
| 08:58.37 | k-god | Daniel304: ...and fattening. |
| 08:58.46 | SlayerXP | and makes baby Jesus cry |
| 08:58.51 | k-god | [sumo]: check again. |
| 08:58.52 | [sumo] | ah a sym link |
| 08:58.56 | k-god | [sumo]: Yes. |
| 08:59.00 | Phated | SlayerXP: And makes our machines crash... |
| 08:59.13 | [sumo] | shifty bastard |
| 08:59.20 | TomTom | hi! i am not very experienced with debian, when when i tried installing postgresql with "apt-get install postgress" it stopped with the error "chmod: cannot access `/etc/init.d/postgresql': No such file or directory" . for sure this file does not exist because postgresql is not installed. should an install create this file ??? suggestions please |
| 08:59.20 | k-god | [sumo]: That's what I said. You can't hardlink across partitions/filesystems |
| 08:59.24 | k-god | !n00b |
| 08:59.24 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 08:59.44 | Daniel304 | SlayerXP: A friend of mine is trying to install something on my server to make certain things work. I want to know how he does that so I can do it myself next time |
| 09:00.05 | alexb2283 | Daniel304: there's a file called history |
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| 09:00.10 | ericb | g |
| 09:00.13 | alexb2283 | and a utility named brain |
| 09:00.18 | bougyman | TomTom: it sounds to me as if not install fully. |
| 09:00.19 | Daniel304 | ok |
| 09:00.20 | alexb2283 | together they can work wonders |
| 09:00.22 | alexb2283 | ;) |
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| 09:00.28 | bougyman | apt-get install --reinstall postgresql |
| 09:00.30 | andres | hey guys |
| 09:00.42 | Segers_J | Daniel304: be sure to put a big red sticker that says WARNING_LARK'S_VOMIT on the outside of the box |
| 09:00.47 | giuppi | is svn standalone server in debian archive? |
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| 09:01.01 | andres | where do i find my CURRENT samba configuration |
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| 09:01.03 | Daniel304 | Segers_J: :p |
| 09:01.12 | Segers_J | ;) |
| 09:01.14 | bougyman | yes, guido_g |
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| 09:01.21 | bougyman | it is in sid at least, maybe sarge |
| 09:01.24 | alexb2283 | andres: /etc/samba/smb.conf ? |
| 09:01.27 | bougyman | i have both in my sources.list. |
| 09:01.28 | DaedalusX | Hey |
| 09:01.29 | TomTom | bougyman: also does not work, quits with the same error :-/ |
| 09:01.34 | DaedalusX | Is this a party channel? |
| 09:01.57 | vegai | the Debian Party -- vote now! |
| 09:01.58 | alexb2283 | DaedalusX: if you're into hot penguin on devil action... yeah I suppose so... |
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| 09:02.15 | DaedalusX | Those Gentoo guys are not very social |
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| 09:02.20 | Segers_J | DaedalusX: I doubt there are any "party channels" on freenode |
| 09:02.31 | bougyman | when did subversion go 1.0? |
| 09:02.44 | [sumo] | ok i think i am done k-god |
| 09:02.45 | DaedalusX | Well lets get a crazy Debian party going here |
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| 09:02.59 | DaedalusX | Somebody tell me what's the rage with this Debian thing? I have never tried anything but Gentoo |
| 09:03.01 | bougyman | tomtom: are you on stable, testing, or unstable |
| 09:03.02 | bougyman | ? |
| 09:03.11 | bougyman | it sounds as if you have a broken package. |
| 09:03.14 | Daniel304 | peeps.. I still have a problem with mysql.. I can opnly start it with the option --skip-grant |
| 09:03.19 | TomTom | bougyman: testing |
| 09:03.20 | bougyman | i know sarge and woody's postgres are not broken. |
| 09:03.41 | TomTom | and testing is sarge i think |
| 09:03.45 | bougyman | i just installwd sarge's postgres today. |
| 09:03.48 | bougyman | yes, it is. |
| 09:03.52 | bougyman | did you apt-get update first? |
| 09:04.02 | DaedalusX | I hear that Debian is inferior because it lacks a portage type program |
| 09:04.22 | bougyman | debian has apt, portage is far inferior. |
| 09:04.25 | vegai | DaedalusX: Gentoo is about rage, Debian about meditation |
| 09:04.28 | bougyman | don't start this debate in here. |
| 09:04.30 | DaedalusX | What is Apt? |
| 09:04.34 | Phated | bougyman: Don't feed the troll. |
| 09:04.35 | ykke | DaedalusX, If you're looking for quality "portage" you would go to it's roots, in FreeBSD, ports kicks the portage ass, any day. |
| 09:04.45 | andres | alexb2283 thanks |
| 09:04.49 | Phated | !troll DaedalusX |
| 09:04.53 | DaedalusX | Screw you Phated, I am asking questions |
| 09:04.55 | [sumo] | k-god: what next. |
| 09:05.05 | TomTom | bougyman: for sure, i removed an old postgresql installation with "apt-get remove p.." and saw that there where a lot of stuff (also old databases) left on the filesystem, so i removed them by hand (also the /etc/init.d/p...) now the reinstallation does not work |
| 09:05.06 | DaedalusX | I am sorry I don't devote my life to studying different distros |
| 09:05.09 | ykke | I have used Debian, Slackware, Gentoo and FreeBSD, I found FreeBSD most usable. |
| 09:05.16 | bougyman | ah. |
| 09:05.27 | alexb2283 | andres: try updatedb; locate <xyz> and/or dpkg -L <pkgname> |
| 09:05.30 | bougyman | there you go, it expects that file to be there. |
| 09:05.39 | alexb2283 | andres: if you need to find stuff ;) |
| 09:05.40 | bougyman | dpkg -P postgresql |
| 09:05.40 | dpkg | bougyman: i don't know |
| 09:05.47 | ykke | In FreeBSD you don't have to spend half the time you're using your machine to fix small issues. |
| 09:05.48 | andres | alexb2283: i founs what i wanted thank u |
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| 09:05.59 | DaedalusX | Ykke, how is BSD different from linux? |
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| 09:06.10 | alexb2283 | andres: I realize that, just giving you tips for next time ;) |
| 09:06.10 | ykke | But when you are getting a GNU/Linux machine on the move, it's sure fun to use it. |
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| 09:06.22 | bougyman | TomTom: if you want to wipe something with apt, use the --purge option. |
| 09:06.25 | andres | alexb2283: thank u alex |
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| 09:06.41 | bougyman | apt-get remove --purge postgresql would've gotten rid of all of those files. |
| 09:06.46 | Segers_J | DaedalusX: I'd rather use programs than compile them, and my processor is fast enough that my load average never gets above 5% anyway. |
| 09:07.02 | bougyman | but be careful when you install it, it will give you the option to delete the data files on purge, you generally wouldn't want that. |
| 09:07.05 | TomTom | bougyman: ok, its on the way again... |
| 09:07.13 | bougyman | it defaults to not deleting the data files on purge. |
| 09:07.16 | [sumo] | k-god? |
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| 09:07.34 | ykke | DaedalusX, BSD is based from the beginning in AT&T's UNIX, but AT&T got mad and said "Hey, don't steal our stuff" and then those who programmed BSD rewrote all the code from the scratch and told AT&T to shut the fuck up. ;) |
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| 09:08.10 | DaedalusX | So it is programmed totally independant from Linux? |
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| 09:08.18 | ykke | Of course. |
| 09:08.22 | bougyman | completely |
| 09:08.26 | vegai | well not totally |
| 09:08.26 | bougyman | it's a different kernel. |
| 09:08.31 | ykke | BSD was created sometime in the mid 80's. ;) |
| 09:08.36 | DaedalusX | Stability/speed/versatility wise, are they any different? |
| 09:08.36 | bougyman | i've run debian on bsd before. |
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| 09:08.38 | bougyman | it's decent. |
| 09:08.40 | ykke | BSD is not just the kernel, it's the whole system. |
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| 09:08.46 | vegai | this is an open community, you know |
| 09:08.54 | ykke | A Linux system is GNU software and the Linux kernel. |
| 09:09.00 | TomTom | bougyman: looks good now! thanks for your fast help!!! |
| 09:09.03 | bougyman | debian is an operting system, you can conceivably run many kernels underneath it. |
| 09:09.15 | bougyman | mach/hurd/linux/bsd |
| 09:09.30 | ykke | bougyman, Have you tested Debian GNU/FreeBSD or GNU/kFreeBSD? :) |
| 09:09.34 | bougyman | both. |
| 09:09.41 | bougyman | and debian on netbsd. |
| 09:09.49 | ykke | I want to test that some day, hehe, give me a machine! :P |
| 09:09.49 | k-god | [sumo]: Sorry' |
| 09:09.56 | k-god | [sumo]: What did you just do? |
| 09:09.57 | [sumo] | k-god: is cool, what now |
| 09:10.04 | k-god | [sumo]: ...I'd recommend reading the instructions. |
| 09:10.05 | [sumo] | k-god: uh all files ready |
| 09:10.11 | [sumo] | k-god: yeah i am trying to |
| 09:10.16 | vegai | 'Debian GNU/FreeBSD' *chuckle* |
| 09:10.21 | ykke | bougyman, What is Hurd like? |
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| 09:10.26 | [sumo] | k-god: i havent chrooted at all, and i havent rebooted yet |
| 09:10.37 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. |
| 09:10.42 | [sumo] | k-god: i am a little uneasy about the mounts too |
| 09:10.43 | bougyman | ykke: i don't have any idea, never tried hurd. |
| 09:10.44 | ykke | I know too little 'bout Hurd, but I know that it's the GNU kernel. |
| 09:10.45 | k-god | [sumo]: No need to reboot. |
| 09:10.49 | bougyman | that's one I need to try. |
| 09:10.51 | k-god | [sumo]: No fears. |
| 09:10.55 | TomTom | bougyman: you installed pgsql today? also got this nasty warning/error with upgrading databases? i removed all database but it wont let me start the db until i have converted them |
| 09:10.55 | [sumo] | haha |
| 09:11.05 | bougyman | yep |
| 09:11.07 | k-god | [sumo]: First, if you've mounted anything, umount it for the time being, *other* than the root FS. |
| 09:11.07 | [sumo] | k-god: k, so how we do the base conf crapz0r? |
| 09:11.19 | bougyman | that happened when i went from 7.2-7.3, tomtom |
| 09:11.29 | bougyman | are you just upgrading after a long time of not? |
| 09:11.38 | [sumo] | k-god: so , mount to see whats there, if any hdb's are mounted, umount em? |
| 09:11.51 | TomTom | bougyman: yes, but i removed all the databases... |
| 09:11.54 | k-god | [sumo]: You aren't running any chroots, correct? |
| 09:12.02 | [sumo] | k-god: i am not , thats right |
| 09:12.08 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. |
| 09:12.16 | k-god | [sumo]: cd /mnt/target; chroot . |
| 09:12.24 | bougyman | there's a script that will convert them for you, or you can follow the directions in the /usr/share/doc/postgresql directory to use the old postgres server (apt saved it) to dump your old dbs flat |
| 09:12.25 | [sumo] | ok, yeah thats the only mount still active |
| 09:12.36 | bougyman | tomtom: you didn't move them all, apparently. |
| 09:12.49 | k-god | [sumo]: ...One thing to keep in mind is that mounts are also relative to the chroot, so if you mount something within the chroot, you have to umount it from there to, else the kernel gets mightily confuzzed. |
| 09:12.56 | bougyman | er remove |
| 09:13.08 | [sumo] | k-god:hmm ok, well i am chrooted |
| 09:13.09 | k-god | [sumo]: Once in the chroot: mount /proc. You can also probably mount /tmp safely. |
| 09:13.12 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. |
| 09:13.21 | k-god | [sumo]: Try: hostname $( cat /etc/hostname ) |
| 09:13.29 | bougyman | like I said, no amount of debian uninstall will remove the data unless you chose the option to do it on install. |
| 09:13.31 | k-god | [sumo]: ...which makes exim a little happier when it gets configured. |
| 09:13.32 | [sumo] | after the mounts? |
| 09:13.42 | k-god | [sumo]: Doesn't matter. |
| 09:13.51 | k-god | [sumo]: Hold off on mounting /var, /usr, etc. |
| 09:13.52 | bougyman | ls /var/lib/postgresql/data |
| 09:13.55 | [sumo] | how am i mounting in this case |
| 09:14.14 | [sumo] | mount /dev/hdbX /wherever ? |
| 09:14.25 | k-god | [sumo]: Wait one sec |
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| 09:14.31 | [sumo] | proc seems mounted already, and isnt tmp mounted already? |
| 09:14.47 | [sumo] | ok |
| 09:14.51 | k-god | [sumo]: Your /etc/mtab data will be out of sync for a bit. |
| 09:15.02 | k-god | [sumo]: ...and /proc/mounts will also be a tad confusing. |
| 09:15.13 | [sumo] | aww |
| 09:15.13 | k-god | [sumo]: First, what are your mounts? /tmp, /var, /usr, /home ? |
| 09:15.27 | [sumo] | yeah like that |
| 09:15.36 | k-god | [sumo]: Not a biggie, just a few things will be inconsistent. All you're runnng is the shell ATM, no services. |
| 09:15.50 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. I transfer that to the mountpoints like this: |
| 09:15.52 | [sumo] | '/ / boot /tmp, /var,/usr , /usrlocal /home . 3 xswap |
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| 09:16.12 | [sumo] | nothing just knoppix shell |
| 09:16.26 | k-god | [sumo]: for mp in var usr home; do mv $mp $mp.bak; mount /$mp; cp $mp.bak/* $mp/; done |
| 09:17.03 | k-god | [sumo]: ...which basically moves the existing (non-mount) directory to a backup location, mounts the intended target, and copies the data there. Do that now while you've got little data to deal with. |
| 09:17.14 | k-god | [sumo]: ...This does require that your fstab is accurate and correct. |
| 09:17.19 | [sumo] | fark |
| 09:17.22 | [sumo] | >_< |
| 09:17.38 | k-god | [sumo]: ...however if it does work, it works quickly ;-) |
| 09:17.44 | [sumo] | ok so |
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| 09:18.03 | [sumo] | $ mv $mp $mp.bak; mount /$mp; cp $mp.bak/* $mp/ |
| 09:18.15 | andres | how do i acces my cd rom drive? |
| 09:18.27 | Phated | andres: Mount it, cd /cdrom |
| 09:18.29 | [sumo] | where $mp is whatever mount . ie /proc and /tmp |
| 09:18.35 | k-god | [sumo]: Yeah. The "for mp in ..." bit is a list and creates an implied loop. Handy way to move stuff. |
| 09:18.40 | k-god | [sumo]: Yeah, *but*... |
| 09:18.51 | k-god | [sumo]: ...you don't want to do that to /proc and you don't _need_ to do it to /tmp. |
| 09:18.57 | andres | how do i mount? |
| 09:19.01 | [sumo] | ookay.. |
| 09:19.04 | Phated | andres: man mount. |
| 09:19.13 | andres | form root? |
| 09:19.15 | k-god | [sumo]: /proc is a virtual filesystem. /tmp is pretty much empty. |
| 09:19.16 | andres | from? |
| 09:19.19 | Phated | andres: Aye. |
| 09:19.21 | [sumo] | so what am i doing. |
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| 09:19.40 | k-god | [sumo]: What I gave you above. It's a shell one-liner. |
| 09:19.40 | Phated | k-god: No, noooo, I wanted that... |
| 09:19.45 | [sumo] | ok. |
| 09:19.50 | k-god | [sumo]: for mp in var usr home; do mv $mp $mp.bak; mount /$mp; cp $mp.bak/* $mp/; done |
| 09:19.52 | [sumo] | exactly how it is |
| 09:20.02 | [sumo] | oh ok |
| 09:20.08 | k-god | [sumo]: Yes. With the semicolons as command delimiters. It's a short loop. |
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| 09:20.26 | k-god | Phated: For you, I've got the video version. |
| 09:20.31 | [sumo] | ar shit |
| 09:20.33 | Phated | k-god: Yowza! |
| 09:20.38 | [sumo] | shift kleys are fucked on this kb |
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| 09:20.44 | k-god | [sumo]: Not good. |
| 09:20.47 | k-god | Phated: ;_) |
| 09:20.53 | Phated | k-god: ;) |
| 09:20.55 | [sumo] | dollarsigns dont help :) |
| 09:20.56 | k-god | Phated: s/_/-/ |
| 09:21.26 | StormShaman` | does debian use many small files? i know in gentoo `emerge' used many small files, so i'm wondering if i should use reiserfs for my partitions in debian |
| 09:21.51 | tarzeau | StormShaman`: yes you get quite some files, depending on how much software packages you install |
| 09:22.04 | k-god | StormShaman`: find / -type f -print0 | xargs -0 du -s | sort -nr |
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| 09:22.15 | [sumo] | k-god k we got some bad fstabs :) |
| 09:22.19 | StormShaman` | k-god, what's that? |
| 09:22.33 | k-god | StormShaman`: A list of files on your system sorted by size, largest to smallest. |
| 09:22.37 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. |
| 09:22.39 | StormShaman` | oh |
| 09:22.48 | k-god | [sumo]: Um. I forgot something. |
| 09:22.51 | StormShaman` | wow, that's gonna be 5GiB worth |
| 09:22.55 | andres | you guys gonna have to forgive me but i cant access my cd rom |
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| 09:22.56 | k-god | [sumo]: Revised shellscript. |
| 09:22.57 | Phated | k-god: You think he should | less on the ned of that too? |
| 09:23.00 | Phated | end* |
| 09:23.01 | andres | im a stupid newbie |
| 09:23.02 | [sumo] | okay. |
| 09:23.03 | StormShaman` | i'm not sure how it answers my question though |
| 09:23.09 | k-god | [sumo]: for mp in var usr home; do mv $mp $mp.bak; mkdir $mp; mount /$mp; cp $mp.bak/* $mp/; done |
| 09:23.17 | [sumo] | this might take a while |
| 09:23.18 | [sumo] | lol |
| 09:23.19 | k-god | [sumo]: Helps if the mountpoint exists. |
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| 09:23.39 | Phated | andres: OK, type the following. man -t iso9660 /dev/foobar /cdrom ; cd /cdrom |
| 09:23.43 | k-god | [sumo]: That added 'mkdir $mp' before attempting to mount. |
| 09:23.53 | StormShaman` | well i'll probably just do everything reiserfs except /boot, can't hurt |
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| 09:24.14 | k-god | [sumo]: Might not be a bad idea to do an 'ls -l' of / to see what's in there between iterations. |
| 09:24.22 | Phated | andres: Errr, substitute `mount' for man. |
| 09:24.26 | CoffeeBreaks | Am I understanding correctly that tomcat4 in sarge will be v 4.0.4? |
| 09:24.30 | [sumo] | ok |
| 09:24.32 | [sumo] | um i ran it |
| 09:24.37 | [sumo] | did some other shit, still errored alot |
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| 09:24.46 | pipeline | StormShaman`: ReiserFS is a dangerous option. Especially when there's safer options that perform almost as well, namely XFS and ext3. |
| 09:24.53 | andres | debian:/cdrom# mount -t iso9660 /dev/foobar /cdrom ; cd /cdrom |
| 09:24.53 | andres | mount: special device /dev/foobar does not exist |
| 09:24.53 | andres | debian:/cdrom# |
| 09:24.53 | Phated | !ext3 |
| 09:24.54 | dpkg | i guess ext3 is a journaled file system based on ext2. You might want to ask about "ext2->ext3" as well. slow |
| 09:25.03 | [sumo] | k this bit is rorting me |
| 09:25.08 | [sumo] | this is where a sshd would be nice |
| 09:25.19 | k-god | StormShaman`: For filesystems < ~100 MB, reiserfs takes up an appreciable amount of space with its journal. ~30 MB. |
| 09:25.30 | [sumo] | no final new line at end of fstab |
| 09:25.47 | andres | i think is already mounted cause i can listen to music from it |
| 09:25.50 | [sumo] | wrong fs type all over the place |
| 09:25.54 | andres | i just want to browse it |
| 09:25.57 | k-god | [sumo]: That could do it. Edit it in vim and save. Do that from knoppix as vim isn't on your ssytem yet. |
| 09:26.09 | CoffeeBreaks | I don't understand why tomcat4 v 4.1.x wasn't moved from unstable to testing. 4.0.4 was released in september 2002 |
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| 09:26.13 | Phated | andres: Then just perfrom the usual browsing commands in /cdrom... |
| 09:26.22 | [sumo] | emacs? |
| 09:26.29 | andres | im a stupid newbie |
| 09:26.31 | [sumo] | so exit then do it |
| 09:26.35 | thomas_adam | andres: so run 'dmesg | more' and find out what your cdrom drive device is: ln -s /dev/<whatever> /dev/cdrom && mount /cdrom |
| 09:26.35 | k-god | [sumo]: If you must. |
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| 09:26.54 | [sumo] | headachey |
| 09:26.55 | Phated | thomas_adam: Apparently, he already -has- it mounted... |
| 09:26.56 | thomas_adam | andres: man 5 fstab |
| 09:27.09 | Phated | thomas_adam: --> < andres> i think is already mounted cause i can listen to music from it |
| 09:27.22 | thomas_adam | andres: You fool! Music CDs are never mounted. |
| 09:27.41 | andres | this is a picture cd now |
| 09:27.47 | andres | the one i want to browse |
| 09:27.55 | jetscreamer | how do i install win32 in linux? |
| 09:28.11 | [sumo] | line 9 fstab is bad; reserfs_read_super : can not find reiserfs opn ide(3,70) |
| 09:28.13 | Phated | jetscreamer: Wine. ;) |
| 09:28.15 | [sumo] | and it goes on |
| 09:28.21 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. |
| 09:28.23 | jetscreamer | no, i want native |
| 09:28.28 | k-god | [sumo]: Did you format that filesystem? |
| 09:28.30 | Phated | jetscreamer: BAH. |
| 09:28.33 | [sumo] | how |
| 09:28.40 | k-god | [sumo]: IIRC we talked about formatting FSs but never quite got to it. |
| 09:28.43 | jetscreamer | and how do i use edlin? |
| 09:28.49 | Pecisk | anyone has some strange behaviour with OpenOffice.org 1.1.2 on Debian? When launched for empty doc, it randomly opens sometimes one, sometimes two or three older docs |
| 09:28.49 | k-god | [sumo]: mkreiserfs /dev/<partition> |
| 09:28.56 | [sumo] | what about mk2fs? |
| 09:28.59 | jetscreamer | ah reaiser no wonder |
| 09:29.02 | jetscreamer | rei |
| 09:29.09 | k-god | [sumo]: Well, that's if you want to create an ext2 filesystem. |
| 09:29.10 | [sumo] | shoite |
| 09:29.20 | [sumo] | well i've run a mk2fs already on all of em |
| 09:29.26 | [sumo] | i'd rather reiser like your guide |
| 09:29.34 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. Then mount them as ext2 |
| 09:29.34 | [sumo] | since u said ext2 was better for small drives |
| 09:29.47 | jetscreamer | why can't i run native dos programs as a shell? |
| 09:29.55 | [sumo] | and reiser better for large partitions and small files |
| 09:30.00 | k-god | [sumo]: ...yeah. Just make sure your fstab has the right filesystem in the third column |
| 09:30.01 | [sumo] | how can i make em reiser from their present state |
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| 09:30.20 | k-god | [sumo]: Since these are empty partitions, just reformat them. |
| 09:30.23 | SlayerXP | resier is better for making sure you backup strategy is correct |
| 09:30.26 | [sumo] | oh crap |
| 09:30.31 | jetscreamer | when will microsoft support linux? |
| 09:30.32 | SlayerXP | other than that, it's not much good for anything |
| 09:30.40 | [sumo] | u mean mkresiser? |
| 09:30.43 | michal | could anyone here help me to try and get the intel graphics driver working under debian? |
| 09:30.45 | CoffeeBreaks | ok I got it. I depends on log4j which has a release critical bug |
| 09:30.46 | [sumo] | u mean mkreiserfs? |
| 09:30.49 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.50 | k-god | [sumo]: There isn't a general conversion tool for ext2 => reiser |
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| 09:31.25 | k-god | [sumo]: To create an ext2 filesystem: mke2fs. To create a reiserfs filesystem: mkreiserfs. To create a DOS (vfat) filesystem: mkfs.vfat. |
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| 09:31.33 | k-god | [sumo]: ....you see a pattern? ;-) |
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| 09:31.42 | Phated | jetscreamer: Thank you! We had enough of those earlier. |
| 09:31.43 | jetscreamer | there is no pattern |
| 09:32.05 | [sumo] | yup, is cool gimme a min |
| 09:32.06 | jetscreamer | oh but hey phated, how do i install fortune under dos 5.0? |
| 09:32.19 | Phated | jetscreamer: ARRRRGH!!! |
| 09:32.22 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 09:32.32 | [sumo] | 1 problem |
| 09:32.36 | [sumo] | tmp cant be reiser now |
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| 09:32.46 | [sumo] | i almost formatted the shit |
| 09:32.49 | k-god | [sumo]: Don't. Journaling /tmp is sort of worthless. |
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| 09:33.06 | [sumo] | so leave /tmp as ext2 and fix fstab for it? |
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| 09:33.11 | michal | why do companies insist on releasing things which only work on rpm based distributions :/ |
| 09:33.12 | k-god | [sumo]: Yeah. |
| 09:33.14 | jetscreamer | yeah that was a good one |
| 09:33.19 | k-god | michal: alien. |
| 09:33.20 | [sumo] | fuck |
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| 09:33.22 | tarzeau | michal: and only on i386 |
| 09:33.24 | [sumo] | almost formatted the bastard. |
| 09:33.25 | Phated | jetscreamer: Yeah, it was. :) |
| 09:33.29 | tarzeau | k-god: binary stuff sucks! i don't have i386 |
| 09:33.37 | k-god | tarzeau: xen. |
| 09:33.44 | tarzeau | k-god: besides alien converted packages SUCK BADSLY in quality |
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| 09:33.54 | jetscreamer | k-god, what does the k stand for? |
| 09:33.58 | k-god | tarzeau: Quote: "BADSLY" |
| 09:34.04 | k-god | jetscreamer: "k". |
| 09:34.13 | jetscreamer | oh kay can you see |
| 09:34.15 | k-god | jetscreamer: Meet /whois. |
| 09:34.20 | michal | k-god: alien does not help in compiling things |
| 09:34.21 | [sumo] | reiserfs create: can not create that small (0blocks) fiulesystem |
| 09:34.24 | k-god | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.34 | jm_ | why the new nick ? |
| 09:34.37 | jetscreamer | who is /whois? |
| 09:34.37 | k-god | [sumo]: What's the command? |
| 09:34.42 | k-god | jm_: I'm at work. |
| 09:34.44 | [sumo] | hmm i think hdb4 is the extended part |
| 09:34.49 | [sumo] | so it skipped it |
| 09:35.02 | jm_ | k-god: ahh, your daily job as god, I get it ;) |
| 09:35.26 | k-god | jm_: I'm only part-timing ;-) |
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| 09:35.35 | DiGiTaLeX | i used apt-get to get asterisk and it got v0.1.1 currently v0.9.x is the current version. Is apt-get out of date? do i have to download it through some other means |
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| 09:35.42 | k-god | [sumo]: Yeah. Generally, formatting extended partitions is deprecated. |
| 09:35.48 | bob2 | DiGiTaLeX: are you using stable? |
| 09:35.50 | jetscreamer | network admin baptist convention? |
| 09:35.53 | DiGiTaLeX | erm |
| 09:35.56 | DiGiTaLeX | i'm not sure |
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| 09:36.38 | DiGiTaLeX | Linux Digital 2.4.18-1-586tsc #1 Wed Apr 14 17:57:38 UTC 2004 i586 unknown |
| 09:36.44 | [sumo] | line 9 of fstab is bad |
| 09:36.48 | [sumo] | but your script is running |
| 09:36.50 | az[a]zel | hmmm.. bah creative can't even make decent updated windows drivers |
| 09:37.02 | [sumo] | and back to prompt |
| 09:37.08 | SlayerXP | az[a]zel: plus their support for older audigy cards is shit |
| 09:37.14 | k-god | [sumo]: sed -ne '9p' /etc/fstab |
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| 09:37.25 | yo2lux | i have a soundcard with chipset ES1930S , need to rebuild the kernel to use this card ? |
| 09:37.35 | yo2lux | or exist a directory with souncard modules ? |
| 09:37.38 | jm_ | yo2lux: not if you use kernel-image |
| 09:37.47 | k-god | [sumo]: I didn't say that the fstab in the docs was appropriate for your system. It's a stub. Modify appropriately. |
| 09:37.49 | jm_ | Debian's kernel-image-foo that is |
| 09:37.56 | bob2 | DiGiTaLeX: look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:38.20 | [sumo] | i did |
| 09:38.28 | az[a]zel | SlayerXP: I have a sound blaster Live.. I can't find any updated drivers.. and the sound pops and cracks in Doom III.. which id says is because the drivers aren't dx 9.0b compatible, or some such.. bah |
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| 09:38.53 | SlayerXP | az[a]zel: I had very similar problems with ut2k4 and thief3 |
| 09:38.58 | jm_ | really ? that sucks then, I also have SB Live |
| 09:39.05 | jetscreamer | hey az[a]zel where did you d/l d3 |
| 09:39.06 | yo2lux | jm_ i don't know much about this kernel-image im new user in debian, but now i have gnome installed from debian sarge cd and work, i know to recompile a kernel but need much time |
| 09:39.06 | SlayerXP | az[a]zel: I've voted with my feet and simply ditched the card |
| 09:39.11 | DiGiTaLeX | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 09:39.11 | az[a]zel | took me a while to get surround sound happening |
| 09:39.15 | aum | hi - pthread_create (deb unstable, kernel 2.6.4) barfs after creating 255 threads - any way to increase this limit? |
| 09:39.28 | jm_ | yo2lux: read the FAQ - it will tell you how to install a kernel-image-foo |
| 09:39.28 | az[a]zel | jetscreamer: if by d/l you mean buy.. then EB |
| 09:39.43 | jetscreamer | eb? |
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| 09:39.56 | bob2 | DiGiTaLeX: then you're using Debian Stable |
| 09:39.57 | az[a]zel | SlayerXP: yeah.. I need to find one that has good ALSA support (multi-channel hardware mixing) |
| 09:40.01 | DiGiTaLeX | ok |
| 09:40.05 | jetscreamer | ebay is all i can come up with |
| 09:40.06 | jm_ | aum: really ? hmm I have created several thousand threads with 2.4 kernel just fine |
| 09:40.06 | DiGiTaLeX | :) |
| 09:40.07 | bob2 | DiGiTaLeX: which was released in July 2001 |
| 09:40.12 | DiGiTaLeX | oh. |
| 09:40.13 | k-god | [sumo]: Then why's it got errors ;-) |
| 09:40.19 | aum | jm_: could it be a 2.6 thing then? |
| 09:40.19 | [sumo] | there was an extra space |
| 09:40.20 | [sumo] | i fixed |
| 09:40.25 | k-god | [sumo]: Hrm... |
| 09:40.31 | DiGiTaLeX | i'm using woody |
| 09:40.35 | [sumo] | the script runs but i cant see the top |
| 09:40.38 | [sumo] | but there is no errors |
| 09:40.39 | az[a]zel | jetscreamer: well it's due out today.. we got it earlier than US because our timezone is ahead of theirs |
| 09:40.51 | k-god | [sumo]: That's why I run vga=6, btw. |
| 09:40.56 | [sumo] | apart from cannot create folders coz they already exist etc. |
| 09:40.58 | azaphp | ebay isn't very good, there is aucmen now and it's free |
| 09:40.59 | [sumo] | heh |
| 09:40.59 | jm_ | aum: I have no idea, I am still using 2.4 kernel - what does pthread_create() return ? and what's errno set to ? |
| 09:41.00 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. 'mount' should show your new mounts. |
| 09:41.14 | k-god | [sumo]: ...and 'ls /var /usr /home' should show lots of files. |
| 09:41.18 | [sumo] | well usr home and var are mounted |
| 09:41.24 | [sumo] | and /rpoc |
| 09:41.26 | [sumo] | proc |
| 09:41.41 | [sumo] | nothing showed |
| 09:41.43 | k-god | [sumo]: Yeah, but we're not worried about /proc and /tmp ATM. |
| 09:41.44 | [sumo] | empty folders |
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| 09:41.47 | k-god | [sumo]: ...OK. |
| 09:41.49 | Alamodome | hi |
| 09:42.00 | az[a]zel | jetscreamer: Doom3 wouldnt run because it kept detecting Daemon Tools, even after I disabled it.. so I had to crack it anyway.. bah |
| 09:42.02 | k-god | [sumo]: Anything in /var.bak, /usr.bak, and /home.bak? |
| 09:42.09 | aum | errno = 12 |
| 09:42.18 | jm_ | aum: apparently it only supports PTHREAD_THREADS_MAX threads which is 1024 here |
| 09:42.24 | k-god | [sumo]: ...just copy 'em manually if so. Eg: cp /var.bak/* /var |
| 09:42.26 | [sumo] | nothing in home |
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| 09:42.34 | jm_ | aum: #define ENOMEM 12 /* Out of memory */ |
| 09:42.36 | [sumo] | but there stuff in usr and var (bak) |
| 09:42.38 | k-god | [sumo]: Nothing in /home because you've got no users. |
| 09:42.38 | [sumo] | folders. |
| 09:42.43 | [sumo] | yup |
| 09:42.58 | [sumo] | ok i cp manually |
| 09:43.00 | k-god | [sumo]: I think we also left out /boot. Might want to catch that as well. |
| 09:43.05 | DiGiTaLeX | Does anyone here have a compiled version of asterisk they can send me? |
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| 09:43.20 | [sumo] | um |
| 09:43.23 | [sumo] | so |
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| 09:43.48 | [sumo] | for mp in /boot; do mv $mp $mp.bak; mkdir $mp; mount /$mp; cp $mp.bak/* $mp/; done |
| 09:44.06 | aum | jm_: weird thing is i've got heaps of mem |
| 09:44.15 | bob2 | DiGiTaLeX: er, that's a really really bad idea |
| 09:44.16 | [sumo] | '/boot = boot |
| 09:44.20 | colde89 | where cold i find open.inc.php for connectin db ?? |
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| 09:44.27 | bob2 | DiGiTaLeX: why don't you just 1) build it yourself or b) download a more recent package? |
| 09:44.29 | jm_ | aum: try googling for it, maybe it's related to 2.6 changes |
| 09:44.32 | [sumo] | k-god? |
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| 09:44.53 | DiGiTaLeX | 1) i dont have the compiling libraries and 2) how do i download a more recent package? |
| 09:44.53 | themusicgod1 | when dhclient is invoked, it assigns dns servers, and ignores or overwrites /etc/resolv.conf [right?]. is there any way to use alternative dns servers while using dhclient, or am i doomed to use my isp's crappy dns servers? |
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| 09:45.05 | bob2 | DiGiTaLeX: www.backports.org |
| 09:45.33 | k-god | [sumo]: Um. If you've already created and mounted the partitions, no need to do it again. |
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| 09:45.42 | [sumo] | i did it anyway |
| 09:45.43 | k-god | [sumo]: ...um. |
| 09:45.52 | bob2 | themusicgod1: there's stuff in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-hooks or so, but I don't know if it's documented anywhere |
| 09:45.55 | k-god | [sumo]: Actually, that was just boot, so no fears. |
| 09:45.56 | SeBsZ | Hello, im using the sarge network install disk. After the first reboot and selecting a mirror, i instantly get an error about it not contacting the site or something. I go to shell and see in ifconfig that only LO local loopback is listed. I also have eth0 and eth1, where eth0 is connected to the internet. Who can help me add this device? Thank you |
| 09:45.59 | [sumo] | yup |
| 09:46.20 | jm_ | aum: somewhat related, http://www.talkaboutprogramming.com/group/comp.programming.threads/messages/41135.html |
| 09:46.20 | herag | i sorta deleted everything in /etc/postfix (because apt-get remove didn't delete them), but now when I do apt-get install postfix, it's not restoring those files in /etc/postfix...how can I get these files back? |
| 09:46.22 | [sumo] | when i did manual cp, it omitted everything |
| 09:46.41 | bob2 | SeBsZ: #debian-boot |
| 09:46.52 | bob2 | herag: a) don't delete things you don't understand |
| 09:47.01 | bob2 | herag: b) dpkg -P postfix ; apt-get install postfix |
| 09:47.05 | jm_ | aum: /sbin/sysctl kernel/threads-max |
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| 09:47.35 | aum | jm_: it's over 8000 |
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| 09:47.42 | herag | bob2: thank you |
| 09:47.48 | andres | im still unable to browse the contrents of my cd rom |
| 09:47.51 | aum | 256 feels like some artificial limit set somewhere (dunno where) |
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| 09:47.58 | [sumo] | k-god: when i did manual cp, it omitted everything |
| 09:48.01 | themusicgod1 | bob2: no directory /etc/dhcp3 :/ |
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| 09:48.07 | DiGiTaLeX | ty bob2!!! |
| 09:48.09 | themusicgod1 | but i'll keep an eye out for it though |
| 09:48.12 | petemc | themusicgod1: theres stuff in /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 09:48.33 | andres | how do i browse my cd rom |
| 09:48.34 | jm_ | aum: check PTHREAD_THREADS_MAX |
| 09:48.35 | andres | ? |
| 09:48.44 | aum | jm_: done that - it's 4096 |
| 09:49.09 | themusicgod1 | petemc: just found it, but thanks regardless:D |
| 09:49.09 | gridline | Hi, is there a good reason not to run 2.6 in stable? |
| 09:49.23 | k-god | [sumo]: cp -R My bad. |
| 09:49.27 | [sumo] | ok |
| 09:49.28 | k-god | [sumo]: Recursive copy. |
| 09:49.32 | jm_ | aum: hmm beats me, it works fine here |
| 09:49.38 | k-god | [sumo]: ...that should make the script work too, FWIW. |
| 09:49.42 | bob2 | themusicgod1: pump probably has a similar deal |
| 09:49.43 | Segers_J | andres: mount it, cd to where you mounted it, ls. |
| 09:49.54 | [sumo] | so run the script again after this? |
| 09:50.19 | andres | i think is already mounted |
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| 09:50.28 | andres | i just dont know where to double click |
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| 09:50.57 | Segers_J | andres: mount with no options will let you know for sure. |
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| 09:51.15 | jm_ | aum: but I use Woody and 2.4 kernel |
| 09:51.25 | Segers_J | andres: oh, what gui are you using? |
| 09:51.31 | andres | kde |
| 09:51.31 | [sumo] | k-god: so u want me to run the script after copuing this shiznit? |
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| 09:51.57 | chen23 | how can i load a iso file in LILO |
| 09:51.58 | Segers_J | andres: sorry, no clue. |
| 09:52.04 | DiGiTaLeX | erm |
| 09:52.05 | andres | ok |
| 09:52.15 | DiGiTaLeX | does i386 program work with i586 kernal |
| 09:52.19 | Segers_J | what's a good file browser for kde? |
| 09:52.21 | chen23 | how can i load a iso file in LILO ,who can help me |
| 09:52.25 | trogger | DiGiTaLeX: yes |
| 09:52.46 | DiGiTaLeX | good lol |
| 09:52.47 | jm_ | Segers_J: konqueror is also a file browser |
| 09:53.14 | Segers_J | andres: there's your answer. thanks jm_ |
| 09:53.56 | k-god | [sumo]: No. The script was meant to automate that. |
| 09:54.02 | [sumo] | yup |
| 09:54.06 | [sumo] | now? |
| 09:54.21 | k-god | [sumo]: ...what you're doing right now is moving stuff from the single partition you'd installed onto, to multiple partitions as you want your ssytem to be. |
| 09:54.33 | k-god | [sumo]: ...so let me know when you're done with htat. |
| 09:54.48 | k-god | [sumo]: ...meantime, I'm still trying to get Win98 here to freaking boot straight. |
| 09:55.11 | [sumo] | right.. |
| 09:55.20 | andres | ok then i have a problem i just burned a cd in win dows with some pictures when i brwse to it using konqueror nothing shows |
| 09:55.24 | [sumo] | i dont get what i need to do |
| 09:55.36 | Segers_J | chen23: I'm fairly certain that is impossible, burn it to a cd, and set up your machine to boot from cds if needed. |
| 09:55.52 | DiGiTaLeX | how do i unpack a deb that i downloaded? |
| 09:56.17 | andres | let me refrase the q? |
| 09:56.31 | andres | how do i open a windows burned cd in debian? |
| 09:56.34 | nailbiter | chen23: alternately, use grub. that bootloader can pull files right off an iso9660 filesystem. |
| 09:56.35 | jm_ | DiGiTaLeX: man ar |
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| 09:56.45 | andres | the contents are pictures |
| 09:56.49 | Segers_J | DiGiTaLeX: dpkg -i installs it do you really want to unpack it? man dpkg I guess. |
| 09:56.55 | nailbiter | DiGiTaLeX: you want to install a package file? 'dpkg -i thepackage.deb' |
| 09:57.02 | DiGiTaLeX | yeh i want to install it |
| 09:57.03 | DiGiTaLeX | :) |
| 09:57.15 | trogger | chen23: check out this link http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11796&highlight= |
| 09:57.19 | [sumo] | k-god: i dont know what to do, how do i access single partition, and the new multiple partitions, arnt they blended now. |
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| 09:58.49 | chen223 | How can i loadin a iso file use LILO |
| 09:59.03 | alexb2283 | mhm |
| 09:59.04 | jm_ | chen23: you can't |
| 09:59.08 | alexb2283 | today's UF is awesome |
| 09:59.38 | chen223 | jm_: can GRUB do it |
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| 10:00.00 | k-god | [sumo]: You're not chosing anything. |
| 10:00.19 | trogger | chen223: use grub. it's better than lilo in a number of ways. |
| 10:00.24 | [sumo] | k-god: so what am i doin |
| 10:00.26 | k-god | [sumo]: ...you've copied data that was installed to a single partition to several. Your /etc/fstab will mount these at boot automateically. |
| 10:00.27 | Segers_J | chen223: trogger: wow, I stand corrected. |
| 10:00.34 | k-god | [sumo]: ..you're copying the data. |
| 10:00.35 | jm_ | chen223: nope |
| 10:00.44 | trogger | chen223: and it can do what you want too. |
| 10:00.57 | k-god | [sumo]: Do you understand the significance of directories (what you've called folders), mountpoints, and filesystems? |
| 10:01.09 | [sumo] | sure |
| 10:01.25 | [sumo] | surface level |
| 10:01.36 | nailbiter | chen223: what exactly are you trying to do? boot an installation disc on a system with no cdrom boot support? |
| 10:01.38 | chen223 | i use red hat now ,and i download debain sarge ,i want to install it in harddisk |
| 10:01.39 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. You installed via debootstrap onto a single partition. /dev/hda1? |
| 10:01.46 | [sumo] | no |
| 10:01.55 | [sumo] | hdb3 /tmp |
| 10:01.55 | jm_ | chen23: get the kernel and initrd image from it and use it for booting |
| 10:01.57 | k-god | [sumo]: ...Care to share or should I guess? |
| 10:02.05 | k-god | [sumo]: Um. |
| 10:02.13 | petemc | trogger: how does grub boot an iso? |
| 10:02.14 | k-god | [sumo]: Oooookaaayyy.... |
| 10:02.25 | k-god | [sumo]: What partition do you *intend* to use as / ? |
| 10:02.26 | [sumo] | maybe not |
| 10:02.32 | chen223 | yes i get it ,but i dont know how to do |
| 10:02.39 | [sumo] | hdb2 is / |
| 10:02.42 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. |
| 10:02.42 | jm_ | mount it, cp the files ... |
| 10:02.57 | [sumo] | no hang on |
| 10:02.58 | k-god | [sumo]: You have /, /boot, /tmp, /var, /usr, and /home. |
| 10:03.03 | [sumo] | we installed to /mnt/target |
| 10:03.06 | k-god | [sumo]: ...they're all different filesystems. |
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| 10:03.14 | [sumo] | but /mnt/target is mount point for hdb3 |
| 10:03.15 | chen223 | cp files ? |
| 10:03.21 | [sumo] | but isnt hdb3 /tmp i am confused |
| 10:03.22 | k-god | [sumo]: You installed to /dev/hdb2 mounted under knoppix to /mnt/target? |
| 10:03.22 | nailbiter | petemc: some bios's allow direct access to cdrom devices. grub has iso9660 support, and can pull files directly off discs through that. |
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| 10:03.47 | [sumo] | hmm |
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| 10:04.01 | nailbiter | chen223: can't you boot from the woody disc you've burnt? |
| 10:04.09 | chen223 | i cannot understand |
| 10:04.10 | [sumo] | hdb3 is /mnt/target |
| 10:04.14 | [sumo] | from knoppix's view |
| 10:04.28 | chen223 | i have no cdrom or floppy |
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| 10:04.35 | k-god | [sumo]: The intent was to install to the *filesystem* (/dev/hdb2) you plan to call your system root (/). It was mounted, for convenience, to /mnt/target. That's pretty much completely irrelevant to how your system will be set up. |
| 10:04.49 | nailbiter | chen223: okay -- you should have said first that you have no cdrom or floppy drives. |
| 10:05.03 | [sumo] | mm right |
| 10:05.06 | k-god | [sumo]: A partition is a slice of a disk. A filesystem is a partition with a recognized filesystem (ext2, ext3, vfat, reiserfs) on it. |
| 10:05.08 | [sumo] | hdb3 actually |
| 10:05.14 | nailbiter | chen223: do you have network access from that machine? |
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| 10:05.22 | k-god | [sumo]: ...and a mount point is a directory at which the filesystem is connected to your filetree. |
| 10:05.22 | chen223 | yes |
| 10:05.42 | k-god | [sumo]: with debootstrap, you were putting files under directories which need to serve as mountpoints. |
| 10:05.55 | [sumo] | alright |
| 10:06.01 | k-god | [sumo]: ....so to get the data off your root filesystem (hdb2) and onto where it needs to be, you first: |
| 10:06.08 | [sumo] | hdb3 |
| 10:06.28 | k-god | [sumo]: 1. Need to move the directory, so you can create a new one to use as a mountpoint. You can't mount over existing data and access that data. |
| 10:06.39 | [sumo] | the confusion comes from me seeing it as , when we chroot, hdb3 IS our target |
| 10:06.39 | nailbiter | chen223: cool. what you might want to do is mount the debian iso image first. |
| 10:06.41 | k-god | [sumo]: 2. Create a new directory to use as a mountpoint. |
| 10:06.45 | chen223 | i download a chinese linux dist based debian ,it is a iso ,i want to install it |
| 10:06.46 | [sumo] | so how can i "mv /var /var" |
| 10:06.49 | Segers_J | [sumo]: and the act of mounting something somewhere masks any files that were under that point before you mounted the new filesystem there |
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| 10:07.06 | k-god | [sumo]: 3. Mount the target filesystem. |
| 10:07.08 | nailbiter | chen223: then look for a copy of the bf2.4 image and its initrd, copy it to your red hat system's /boot, and arrange for lilo to boot from that. |
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| 10:07.26 | k-god | [sumo]: 4. Move from temporary (var.bak) to permanent (var). Answering your question above. |
| 10:07.38 | trogger | petemc: check out the link that I stuck in above |
| 10:07.42 | k-god | [sumo]: ...at some point, you can then decide you're happy and delete the *.bak directories. |
| 10:07.48 | [sumo] | hmm |
| 10:08.07 | k-god | [sumo]: Note that the script does a 'cp' rather than an 'mv'. That preserves the origin if you (or I) screw up. |
| 10:08.11 | k-god | [sumo]: Got it? |
| 10:08.12 | chen223 | how can i type lilo.conf |
| 10:08.16 | [sumo] | ok let me process |
| 10:08.26 | [sumo] | what i understand is |
| 10:08.32 | [sumo] | the mounting we did |
| 10:08.34 | [sumo] | is a bunch of BS |
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| 10:08.46 | [sumo] | and the folders var usr etc, are the target's |
| 10:08.51 | chen223 | i have its kernel and initrd |
| 10:08.59 | k-god | [sumo]: No. |
| 10:09.02 | [sumo] | we need to move them so we can make new folders, and then mount them properly then move the data back in |
| 10:09.08 | soth` | who makes the better motherboards, pc chips or asrock? |
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| 10:09.21 | nailbiter | chen223: it's /etc/lilo.conf. you'll need to edit that file, and add an entry for the debian kernel+initrd pair. |
| 10:09.31 | chen223 | i have its vmlinuz and initrd |
| 10:09.56 | k-god | [sumo]: Can you explain what you mean by "the mounting we did is a bunch of BS"? |
| 10:10.08 | [sumo] | yeah wtf did we mount if the folders are used |
| 10:10.09 | nailbiter | chen223: fine. edit lilo.conf and add an entry for them. then run 'lilo'. |
| 10:10.21 | chen223 | is it can load my iso file ? |
| 10:10.22 | [sumo] | isnt there like a conflict |
| 10:10.27 | [sumo] | or is it sharing that location |
| 10:10.44 | [sumo] | the places we mounted the partitions to |
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| 10:11.05 | [sumo] | basically i'd have to unmount everything |
| 10:11.08 | [sumo] | that we just mounted |
| 10:11.12 | [sumo] | w/ your script |
| 10:11.17 | chen223 | ok |
| 10:11.18 | k-god | [sumo]: If you mount a partition over a directory with contents in it, you won't see what was in the directory anymore, you see what's in the mounted filesystem. |
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| 10:11.27 | [sumo] | right |
| 10:11.36 | nailbiter | chen223: no. booting from the initrd will kickstart the installer. you'll have to then open a shell and manually mount the ISO image at /instmnt. |
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| 10:11.55 | k-god | [sumo]: ...which is why the script moves, say, /var to /var.bak, then creates a new /var, then mounts the filesystem that wants to be at /var there, then copies the contents of /var.bak to /var |
| 10:11.55 | [sumo] | ok so thats why you made the bak dirs and copied contents? before we mounted? |
| 10:12.01 | k-god | [sumo]: Yes. |
| 10:12.07 | nailbiter | chen223: if you don't want to screw around with manual mounts, just opt for a network installation and downloading everything again .. |
| 10:12.08 | [sumo] | alrighty |
| 10:12.15 | k-god | [sumo]: ...though you missed the order a bit. |
| 10:12.21 | [sumo] | so what u want me to do is cp /var.bak/ to /var/ |
| 10:12.29 | [sumo] | etc. |
| 10:12.35 | [sumo] | which is already done |
| 10:12.41 | k-god | [sumo]: ...we *moved* the existing directories. *then* created a new dir and mounted. *then* copied. |
| 10:12.41 | [sumo] | so i am confused still |
| 10:13.00 | k-god | [sumo]: Well, the 'cp' command missed an '-R' option to recursively copy. That was my mistake. |
| 10:13.09 | [sumo] | i added that |
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| 10:13.41 | chen223 | ok ,"devfs=mount,dall" this is in grub ,and how i write it in LILO |
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| 10:14.20 | nailbiter | chen223: hang on, your red hat system is already using grub as its bootloader? |
| 10:14.26 | yam | according to debian policy, where should I put my iptables script, and my routes script? |
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| 10:14.33 | yam | I have them in /etc/init.d |
| 10:14.41 | [sumo] | k-god: yeah i performed all the cp -R /$whatever.bak/* /$whatever |
| 10:14.41 | yam | but I'm not sure if thats the suggested place |
| 10:14.47 | [sumo] | your script done all the mounting already |
| 10:14.57 | [sumo] | so as far as i understand, i am done? |
| 10:15.25 | [sumo] | your 4 steps, basically descript what your script done |
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| 10:15.30 | chen223 | no i use LILO, but i find a way load ISO file in grub in net |
| 10:15.35 | [sumo] | descript, haha describe. |
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| 10:16.33 | nailbiter | chen223: then you'll have to install grub into your bootstrap first, and make sure it can boot your normal red hat system (in case things don't work out). you've done that? |
| 10:16.46 | k-god | [sumo]: You should see what appear to be standard file trees in /boot, /var, and /usr |
| 10:16.53 | [sumo] | yep |
| 10:16.55 | [sumo] | i see that |
| 10:16.55 | k-god | [sumo]: /home and /tmp will be pretty much empty. |
| 10:16.58 | k-god | [sumo]: That's good. |
| 10:16.58 | chen223 | no |
| 10:17.02 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. |
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| 10:17.12 | [sumo] | cant beleive u explained all that |
| 10:17.14 | Segers_J | [sumo]: did you preserve permissions and ownership? I expected cp -a. |
| 10:17.18 | [sumo] | i was confused.. i knew we'd already done it |
| 10:17.20 | chen223 | i cannot install grub |
| 10:17.22 | [sumo] | nope |
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| 10:17.31 | nailbiter | chen223: grub can boot off an iso filesystem ON A CDROM. it can't boot from an iso image nested in another filesystem. |
| 10:17.37 | chen223 | can i use LILO do it |
| 10:17.41 | k-god | [sumo]: Don't worry, it manages that for you. Perms, etc. |
| 10:17.52 | nailbiter | chen223: so you can't use grub like this, and people would have told you so if you'd explain that you had no cdrom drives at the start. |
| 10:17.53 | [sumo] | k-god: ok cool thats good news. |
| 10:17.54 | treestone | chen223: Anyway, in lilo you would have append = "devfs=mount,dall" |
| 10:17.59 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. dpkg-reconfigure base-config; base-config |
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| 10:18.17 | k-god | [sumo]: ...that will walk you through a lot of the basic base system configurations. |
| 10:18.21 | nailbiter | chen223: yes, you can -- if you've copied the debian kernel and its initrd into /boot. |
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| 10:18.36 | chen223 | ok thx |
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| 10:18.40 | [sumo] | alrighty |
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| 10:18.58 | [sumo] | sweet, some color |
| 10:18.58 | t-jack | G'mornin on another day rain has prevented me looking for work. :0 |
| 10:19.15 | nailbiter | t-jack: know any blues tunes? :) |
| 10:19.33 | chen223 | `append = "devfs=mount.dall"` write it in lilo.conf ,right ? |
| 10:19.35 | t-jack | nailbiter: You got the blues? |
| 10:19.44 | Phated | t-jack: Borrow a harmonica, my friend. :) |
| 10:19.45 | k-god | [sumo]: As for explaining... Lets say I had assumed you'd understand most of that. |
| 10:19.56 | k-god | [sumo]: ...Hopefully you're learning something here. |
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| 10:20.07 | nailbiter | t-jack: i thought a rainy morning with no work would be a perfect backdrop for the blues .. |
| 10:20.08 | zimnyx | hello |
| 10:20.11 | zimnyx | i'm translating gnustep. What means to "followup to group" ? |
| 10:20.12 | t-jack | nailbiter: Phated I get you now. :) |
| 10:20.13 | alexb2283 | what ? you can learn something in #debian ? |
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| 10:20.18 | alexb2283 | wow |
| 10:20.21 | [sumo] | yeap learning plenty |
| 10:20.25 | Desiac | the netinstall is usally an option when boot from rescue/root floppies isin't, dont ya have to select it as the install mediun. i have no cdrom on an ancient lappy |
| 10:20.25 | k-god | alexb2283: SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! |
| 10:20.34 | Phated | t-jack: :D |
| 10:20.38 | [sumo] | k-god: thanks for your help, this is cool. |
| 10:20.42 | alexb2283 | k-god: ;) |
| 10:21.21 | Segers_J | zimnyx: "add your post to the news thread" is one possible meaning, what context? |
| 10:21.28 | k-god | [sumo]: Glad you still think that. |
| 10:21.46 | alexb2283 | a little OT... has anyone heard of `Tobit Infocenter` ? |
| 10:21.54 | alexb2283 | tobit david xl really |
| 10:21.58 | zimnyx | Segers_J: not sure. translating plain file. |
| 10:22.04 | zimnyx | Segers_J: thx |
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| 10:22.33 | nailbiter | chen223: don't use 'devfs=mount' with the debian kernel image; it may cause the installer to not start properly. |
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| 10:22.56 | t-jack | ford: Quick! Reboot before someone steals your computer! |
| 10:23.07 | [sumo] | do i have to configure ppp at all? |
| 10:23.11 | [sumo] | i have a router |
| 10:23.26 | k-god | [sumo]: No. Dialup only for that. |
| 10:23.31 | [sumo] | yep cool |
| 10:23.34 | alexb2283 | well |
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| 10:23.50 | alexb2283 | with a router he doesn't need to configure anything beyond networking |
| 10:23.51 | lcnja | #debian |
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| 10:24.06 | k-god | alexb2283: Right. |
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| 10:24.22 | alexb2283 | lcnja: you're a master of perception |
| 10:24.23 | alexb2283 | aww |
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| 10:24.33 | k-god | [sumo]: You'll be prompted at some point to run tasksel and/or dselect. Your option, but I prefer not. |
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| 10:25.13 | [sumo] | ok |
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| 10:25.35 | [sumo] | its apting away |
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| 10:25.38 | alexb2283 | [sumo]: my personal preference: i don't config any packages through tasksel/dselect, i goto login, install my main working-tools via apt and then i'm a happy camper |
| 10:26.03 | [sumo] | okie dokie.. |
| 10:26.03 | k-god | [sumo]: I'm with alexb2283 here. |
| 10:26.18 | trogger | alexb2283: seconded there! dselect/tasksel install junk |
| 10:26.18 | Phated | [sumo]: I also am with alexb2283. |
| 10:26.29 | [sumo] | should i add more sources? |
| 10:26.31 | [sumo] | ;ol. |
| 10:26.49 | [sumo] | its gonna grab 14k packages |
| 10:26.53 | [sumo] | i assume thats gonna take a few days |
| 10:26.57 | alexb2283 | lol |
| 10:26.59 | k-god | [sumo]: For the moment, stick with your core sarge sources |
| 10:27.10 | ford | error : cant resolve "ifref=ip to IP address at /usr/lib/perl15/SNMP_util.pm line 398 SNMPWALK Problem for public @ifref=ip; at /usr/bin/cfgmaker line 107 |
| 10:27.11 | k-god | [sumo]: Yeah, it can take a while to get your base system up. |
| 10:27.23 | ford | that my error in mrtg can you help me |
| 10:27.26 | k-god | ford: Your resolver libraries properly set up? |
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| 10:27.39 | [sumo] | should i start selecting packages to install? |
| 10:27.41 | jm_ | ford: is that from cfgmaker ? |
| 10:27.50 | alexb2283 | [sumo]: a tip for messing with apt: apt-cache search <your searchterm> gives you a list of packages somehow matching your searchterm, also i usually install dlocate, so i can do dlocate -l <part of packagename> |
| 10:27.50 | ford | yup frm cfgmaker |
| 10:27.55 | jm_ | how did you run it ? |
| 10:27.58 | t-jack | Has Any blues artist ever played for Queen Liza? |
| 10:28.08 | ford | ok will post it |
| 10:28.08 | chen223 | and devfs=? |
| 10:28.11 | k-god | [sumo]: I bypass all package selection in installation myself. |
| 10:28.12 | Phated | t-jack: Elton John? ;) |
| 10:28.21 | [sumo] | hmm |
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| 10:28.40 | [sumo] | so i should skip also? |
| 10:28.46 | alexb2283 | Phated: yup |
| 10:28.47 | t-jack | Phated: He's blue, yes, but he doesn't play Blues. |
| 10:28.49 | k-god | [sumo]: I'd recommend it. Yes. |
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| 10:29.04 | Phated | t-jack: Meh, probably not, then. |
| 10:29.10 | kerpal23 | GRR DAMN PCRE and PHP COMPILING :) |
| 10:29.23 | kerpal23 | okay better now. |
| 10:29.24 | alexb2283 | ohhh wait, BLUES, i missed that. sorry |
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| 10:29.30 | [sumo] | ok the things cutting sick |
| 10:29.32 | treestone | [sumo]: It's up to you. If you have the space, it might be easier to start with tasksel if you don't care about some stuff you may not need. At least it's a simple way to get up and running. |
| 10:29.35 | ford | cfgmaker --output=/etc/61.14.134.3.cfg ifref=ip --global "workdir: /var/www/mrtg" --snmp-options=::::1 poi@61.14.134.3 |
| 10:29.41 | Phated | alexb2283: Heh. :) |
| 10:29.50 | [sumo] | hmm |
| 10:29.50 | ford | thats my command in cfgmaker |
| 10:29.52 | chen223 | "devfs=mount,dall" this is in grub |
| 10:29.53 | jm_ | it's --ifref=foo |
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| 10:30.14 | treestone | [sumo]: I skip the tasksel/dselect part of the installation when I'm preparing UML root filesystems, because there I care about the space. |
| 10:30.30 | kerpal23 | anyone compile php4 lately? |
| 10:30.33 | alexb2283 | hmm is tasksel dying btw ? i've noticed in recent daily builds it's list has gotten smaller and smaller |
| 10:30.41 | SlayerXP | kerpal23: I would think so, yes. |
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| 10:30.55 | alexb2283 | [sumo]: also as a beginner you might want to start out with aptitude instead of dselect (once you've seen both you'll understand ;) |
| 10:31.01 | kerpal23 | Cause, php_pcre.c is giving me errors.. |
| 10:31.07 | [sumo] | ok it just went to a prompt? |
| 10:31.14 | kerpal23 | i am bypasing it right now, but.. :( |
| 10:31.14 | [sumo] | was it meant to dl a whole lot of shit? |
| 10:31.19 | t-jack | I think KDE has cleaner fonts in xChat... |
| 10:31.21 | ford | --snpo: Skipping ifName scanning because public@ifref=ip does not seem to suppport it |
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| 10:31.36 | alexb2283 | [sumo]: i'm sorry, i'm not exactly sure about your steps, haven't been keeping track |
| 10:31.38 | ford | that my problem |
| 10:31.41 | ford | help |
| 10:31.59 | [sumo] | i ran dpkg-reconfigure base-config |
| 10:31.59 | soth` | who makes the better motherboards, pc chips or asrock? |
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| 10:32.19 | ford | cfgmaker --output=/etc/61.14.134.3.cfg ifref=ip --global "workdir: /var/www/mrtg" --snmp-options=::::1 poi@61.14.134.3 |
| 10:32.24 | ford | --snpo: Skipping ifName scanning because public@ifref=ip does not seem to suppport it |
| 10:32.36 | ford | that the error |
| 10:33.13 | k-god | [sumo]: OK. What's next in the docs I gave you? |
| 10:33.15 | alexb2283 | [sumo]: ah. well when it drops you off at the shell, it's done :) |
| 10:33.27 | [sumo] | cfg app sources |
| 10:33.35 | [sumo] | update, install some packages |
| 10:33.43 | [sumo] | installa kernel |
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| 10:33.54 | [sumo] | bootloader and teh like |
| 10:33.57 | k-god | [sumo]: IIRC, base-config now creates users. And installs packages. And deletes unconfigured.sh. |
| 10:34.07 | k-god | [sumo]: ...so. Install some packages. I list a few good ones. |
| 10:34.16 | [sumo] | yeps |
| 10:34.22 | k-god | [sumo]: ...I'd also recommend a kernel and bootloader (personal preference: GRUB). |
| 10:34.30 | [sumo] | cools |
| 10:34.36 | ford | pls can you explain my problem |
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| 10:34.37 | [sumo] | how do i do the kernel |
| 10:34.38 | k-god | [sumo]: ...after those are on, your system should be ready for reboot. |
| 10:34.40 | [sumo] | apt-get install kernel |
| 10:34.40 | [sumo] | lol |
| 10:34.45 | k-god | [sumo]: apt-get install.... |
| 10:34.57 | k-god | [sumo]: I'd do a current 2.6.7 for my arch. |
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| 10:35.15 | [sumo] | should i run the update first? |
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| 10:35.26 | t-jack | k-god: I don't like base config adduser. You cannot get it to accept extraneous marks like hyphen or colon. |
| 10:35.26 | alexb2283 | k-god: do you happen to know offhand how grub sorts it's list ? had that yesterday, touching a kernel wouldn't make it go first |
| 10:35.35 | k-god | t-jack: OK. |
| 10:35.38 | trogger | alexb2283: in order in the file |
| 10:35.41 | notPoncha | how can i check what mode my nic is using? (10half/100full/etc) ? |
| 10:35.46 | k-god | alexb2283: NFC. Alpha? |
| 10:35.53 | alexb2283 | trogger: the config gets autogenerated |
| 10:36.05 | t-jack | k-god: I was kinda hoping you'd prove me wrong... |
| 10:36.07 | nailbiter | notPoncha: on a 2.4.x kernel? run 'mii-tool'. |
| 10:36.12 | alexb2283 | k-god: i386 ? |
| 10:36.21 | k-god | alexb2283: Actually. It's the update-grub script that does that. Probably uses locale and filesystem sort. You can manually edit the menu.list file for ordering. |
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| 10:36.24 | trogger | alexb2283: oh - not that hard to hand edit, put default 0 at the top to run the first one in the list first. /boot/grub/grub.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 10:36.25 | alexb2283 | update-grub afaik |
| 10:36.33 | notPoncha | nailbiter: 2.6 |
| 10:36.41 | [sumo] | should i run apt-get update? |
| 10:36.46 | [sumo] | and dist-upgrade? |
| 10:36.56 | trogger | [sumo]: yes apt-get update to get the source list from the mirror |
| 10:36.59 | k-god | t-jack: Well, there's typically only one user I add w/ base-config adduser and that's me. And I'm neither hyphenated, accented, nor coloned. |
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| 10:37.05 | trogger | [sumo]: dist-upgrade can wait until later |
| 10:37.20 | nailbiter | notPoncha: that'll work too |
| 10:37.26 | k-god | [sumo]: Yes. An update/dist-upgrade now would be a Good Thing. |
| 10:37.27 | notPoncha | nailbiter: ok, thanks |
| 10:37.28 | alexb2283 | trogger: yeah i figured, that's what i did as a 'quick hack', i didn't have time to fiddle around and find out how it would sort |
| 10:37.33 | [sumo] | ok cool |
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| 10:37.39 | alexb2283 | i'll look into it later ;) |
| 10:37.52 | [sumo] | my aptget is fucking up |
| 10:37.54 | araldit | if I wants to remove an entry in the the init.d, how do i automate this... |
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| 10:38.05 | trogger | araldit: use update-rc.d |
| 10:38.27 | araldit | ok, so just delete the init.d entry, and run update-rc.d |
| 10:38.33 | jm_ | araldit: by uninstalling the package |
| 10:38.38 | Phated | [sumo]: "fucking up" is unclear. Elaborate. |
| 10:38.49 | t-jack | k-god: I always run straight through as root, and use adduser standalone. Then quickly change over to non-priv. ;) |
| 10:38.51 | araldit | That didn't do the trick, its still there |
| 10:38.52 | trogger | araldit: update-rc.d -f <basename> remove |
| 10:38.56 | notPoncha | nailbiter: SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported |
| 10:39.02 | [sumo] | Phated: i think maybe it was the mirror |
| 10:39.03 | alexb|afk | lol @ [sumo]. make that qotd ;) |
| 10:39.04 | araldit | thx |
| 10:39.17 | nailbiter | notPoncha: that means your driver probably doesn't have mii support. :) not all do .. |
| 10:39.17 | [sumo] | ;) |
| 10:39.19 | Phated | [sumo]: Error message? |
| 10:39.32 | jm_ | then it didn't come from the package |
| 10:39.33 | [sumo] | they are gone now |
| 10:39.34 | nailbiter | notPoncha: which driver is this, by the way? |
| 10:39.53 | ight | hello, anyone know what site I can find a good howto on hardware recognition for my sound card |
| 10:39.54 | notPoncha | nailbiter: tulip |
| 10:40.15 | t-jack | [sumo]: Run apt-spy, maybe it'll give you a good sources.list. |
| 10:40.16 | jm_ | ight: just load the relevant module |
| 10:40.19 | notPoncha | nailbiter: card is Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. 21x4x DEC-Tulip compatible 10/100 Ethernet |
| 10:40.21 | nailbiter | notPoncha: hm .. that should work. |
| 10:40.30 | [sumo] | ta |
| 10:40.38 | ight | if it were only that easy |
| 10:40.43 | jm_ | it is |
| 10:40.59 | trogger | ight: if you have reasonable bandwidth, try damn small linux - it uses autoconfiguration which is amazingly great (from Knoppix) |
| 10:41.03 | nailbiter | notPoncha: are you using the 'tulip' or 'old_tulip' driver, by the way? |
| 10:41.13 | trogger | ight: and then you can copy the configuration choices it makes |
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| 10:41.29 | [sumo] | err: http://debootstrap.invalid sarge/main Packages; could not resolve 'debootstrap.invalid' |
| 10:41.29 | [sumo] | etc. |
| 10:41.34 | ight | I got a copy of my module.conf file in three diferent places,,, I'm running kanotix a knoppix rip off |
| 10:41.47 | ight | lol |
| 10:42.03 | [sumo] | apt-get seems to have trouble resolving debootstrap.invalid |
| 10:42.08 | [sumo] | i dont blame it |
| 10:42.26 | trogger | ok use modprobe |
| 10:42.26 | trogger | it should know which modules to load for the current kernel? |
| 10:42.28 | notPoncha | nailbiter: tulip/dmfe.ko |
| 10:42.31 | t-jack | [sumo]: That's your only source? |
| 10:42.43 | nailbiter | SuperNull: you're supposed to replace 'debootstrap.invalid' with the hostname of your debian mirror. |
| 10:42.43 | ight | here it is in a nutshell,, alsa starts,,,and when it does it says no such device |
| 10:42.47 | nailbiter | sumo: you're supposed to replace 'debootstrap.invalid' with the hostname of your debian mirror. |
| 10:42.48 | [sumo] | no idea |
| 10:42.50 | nailbiter | SuperNull: sorry, wrong guy |
| 10:42.57 | [sumo] | i did. |
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| 10:42.57 | cahoot | notPoncha: doesn't dmesg|grep eth tell how the link is configured? |
| 10:43.01 | Phated | [sumo]: Replace it with a valid hostname... |
| 10:43.01 | [sumo] | it auto did it for me, ftp.au.debian.org |
| 10:43.05 | [sumo] | how |
| 10:43.19 | Phated | [sumo]: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:43.22 | nailbiter | notPoncha: hm. could you check if 'CONFIG_MII' is turned on in your /boot/config-`uname -r`? |
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| 10:43.44 | notPoncha | nailbiter: sure, sec |
| 10:43.57 | ight | somewhere between alsa and my sound card is a void of doom everything is falling into |
| 10:43.58 | [sumo] | i dont have an editor, shit |
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| 10:44.00 | nailbiter | [sumo]: okay -- you're running apt-get inside the debootstrap directory here? |
| 10:44.13 | notPoncha | cahoot: not if the link was brought down and up since i bootaed probably ? |
| 10:44.23 | [sumo] | think so, ya |
| 10:44.27 | trogger | ight: ok sorry about that - I'm out of my depth then |
| 10:44.34 | trogger | [sumo]: nano ? |
| 10:44.45 | [sumo] | nano?? |
| 10:44.47 | ight | thats cool trogger |
| 10:44.49 | nailbiter | notPoncha: that shouldn't matter -- 'mii-tool' should work even if the interface is down. |
| 10:44.51 | ight | me too |
| 10:44.52 | notPoncha | nailbiter: CONFIG_MII=m |
| 10:44.58 | trogger | [sumo]: that's an editor |
| 10:45.02 | [sumo] | ah |
| 10:45.04 | nailbiter | notPoncha: is that module loaded as well? |
| 10:45.08 | Phated | nano's cool, vi's better. :) But [sumo] probably doesn't have it installed. |
| 10:45.12 | trogger | [sumo]: that is very small to download, and is often installed already |
| 10:45.22 | notPoncha | nailbiter: and which module is that? :) [probably not] |
| 10:45.23 | trogger | Phated: you gotta be kidding! of course vi is better! :) |
| 10:45.28 | Phated | trogger: Hell yeah! |
| 10:45.30 | nailbiter | notPoncha: 'modprobe mii' |
| 10:45.49 | k-god | WayOT: anyone here intimately familiar with the Win98 startup process care to /msg me off-channel? |
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| 10:45.59 | Phated | trogger: Considering he's running a base system right now, he probably hasn't installed vi yet. |
| 10:46.05 | nailbiter | [sumo]: you can just use 'sed -i' if you're in a hurry and just want to replace text in a file .. |
| 10:46.16 | jm_ | if you have sufficiently new version of sed |
| 10:46.17 | notPoncha | nailbiter: mii module is now up, but not used by any other module |
| 10:46.17 | trogger | Phated: indeed - hence nano and we go around in a circle :) |
| 10:46.17 | Phated | k-god: I'm intimate with Win98, as ashamed as I am to admit it. |
| 10:46.24 | Phated | trogger: :) |
| 10:46.25 | Segers_J | trogger: vi is not beter than nano when you're trying to explain how to use it to your mom. |
| 10:46.30 | nailbiter | notPoncha: cool. try running 'mii-tool' again? |
| 10:46.40 | t-jack | trogger: I dunno bout vim... I think abiword is better... |
| 10:46.48 | k-god | Phated: check /msg |
| 10:46.49 | [sumo] | i like emacs |
| 10:46.50 | notPoncha | nailbiter: same result... no mii interfaces found |
| 10:46.52 | Phated | Segers_J: Who the heck can be bothered to explain computers to their moms? |
| 10:47.01 | nailbiter | notPoncha: hm, rats |
| 10:47.15 | Segers_J | Phated: guilty |
| 10:47.22 | Phated | Segers_J: :| |
| 10:47.42 | Phated | t-jack: AbiWord is a processor, not an editor. |
| 10:47.45 | notPoncha | nailbiter: hehe ;) big ones :)_ |
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| 10:48.00 | trogger | "AbiWord is a free word processing program similar to Microsoft® Word" rings many dangerous bells for me |
| 10:48.04 | [sumo] | ok its fixed. :) w00t |
| 10:48.09 | t-jack | Phated: In that case... easyeditor :P |
| 10:48.11 | yo2lux | i have a problem when i log in to gnome, this error: Colud not look up internet address for home. This will prevent GNOME from operating correctly. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding home to the file /etc/hosts |
| 10:48.13 | nailbiter | notPoncha: could you try unloading the 'dmfe' driver and loading the generic 'tulip' one instead? |
| 10:48.26 | yo2lux | Home is my hostname, but in which form need to add this line ? |
| 10:48.48 | jm_ | yo2lux: man hosts - Debian does it for you during installation phase normally |
| 10:48.56 | Phated | t-jack: Bah, I preferred Anthony's Editor, but now I'm all vi. |
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| 10:49.24 | notPoncha | nailbiter: that will kick me off the net, but i will try, brb :) |
| 10:50.05 | t-jack | Phated: Heh :) The great joy of *nix... choices. :) |
| 10:50.16 | trogger | yo2lux: first line of /etc/hosts should read 127.0.0.1 localhost Home |
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| 10:50.30 | Phated | t-jack: Hell yeah. :) |
| 10:50.35 | trogger | t-jack: indeed |
| 10:50.52 | [sumo] | apt-get is complaining about dependancies for the stuff i want to install.. isnt apt meant to solve them for me? |
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| 10:51.14 | notPoncha | hm |
| 10:51.18 | notPoncha | i am here yet? |
| 10:51.24 | t-jack | I just wish I could get all my desktop apps with the same widget base. Kmud is POS. |
| 10:51.27 | jm_ | I think apt-get adapts to the IQ of the individual using it |
| 10:51.42 | notPoncha | nailbiter: with tulip instead of dmfe mii-tool works ;) |
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| 10:52.19 | [sumo] | any helps? |
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| 10:53.00 | t-jack | [sumo]: Try using synaptic to work through the depends seperately... |
| 10:53.04 | yo2lux | my gnome not work, xdm start and not load gnome, the screen freezed at Debian gnu/linu logo with red |
| 10:53.24 | [sumo] | i dont have synaptic |
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| 10:53.29 | snadge | does anyone else have problems using wondershaper with kernel 2.6 on an adsl/cable connection? i enable it after reading the documentation.. it doesnt seem to improve ping time |
| 10:53.43 | t-jack | [sumo]: You get sources.list straightened? |
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| 10:53.47 | [sumo] | yep |
| 10:53.50 | jm_ | snadge: why would it improve ping time at all ? |
| 10:53.52 | nailbiter | notPoncha: cool. :) |
| 10:53.53 | yo2lux | i think the problem is xdm |
| 10:53.55 | snadge | perhaps someone can recommend a bandwidth management utility that actually works for them? |
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| 10:54.12 | yo2lux | before restart gnome work for me, and now after reboot gnome not load :( |
| 10:54.17 | t-jack | [sumo]: What are you trying to install? |
| 10:54.26 | [sumo] | anything |
| 10:54.30 | nailbiter | snadge: 'trickle' is a nice user-space one. 'trickle -d 10 apt-get install bigthing' |
| 10:54.34 | snadge | it has something to do with prioritising outgoing traffic.. and reserving a small percentage of bandwidth so that one transfer cant drown out the whole connection |
| 10:54.42 | [sumo] | lets say ssh |
| 10:54.50 | gahan | since i use alsa instead of oss (snd-emu10k1 module), volume control in xmms isnt working. i can lower and upper it but it doesnt affect volume |
| 10:54.57 | jm_ | well it can't auto-magically improve your connection by making it faster ... |
| 10:55.02 | [sumo] | apt-utils depends on libdb4 .... but is not going to be installed |
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| 10:55.03 | t-jack | [sumo]: apt-get install ssh |
| 10:55.05 | yo2lux | which command remove xdm ? |
| 10:55.06 | Phated | yo2lux: Error messages are your diagnostics... |
| 10:55.16 | snadge | not faster.. just more interactive during sustained uploads/downloads |
| 10:55.24 | [sumo] | t-jack: apt-utils depends on libdb4 .... but is not going to be installed |
| 10:55.39 | yo2lux | i log in as root and i see a red screen that want to load gnome but not start |
| 10:55.55 | MerlinCorey | [sumo]: you want ssh, you need the openssh package... |
| 10:55.59 | t-jack | [sumo]: dpkg --configure -a * |
| 10:56.04 | jm_ | I used to use wondershaper, but then I recompiled my kernel and enabled "Advanced Router" option and I don't use WS since then |
| 10:56.11 | MerlinCorey | [sumo]: apt-cache search ssh; really helpful... |
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| 10:56.33 | jm_ | there seems to be no need for it, I get nice ping times/telnet is responsive/... while downloads are working at almost full speed |
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| 10:56.48 | trogger | yo2lux, tail /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 10:56.48 | trogger | yo2lux: and see if that tells you what's wrong |
| 10:56.49 | snadge | jm_: you just use the tc program then? |
| 10:56.51 | [sumo] | how come it doesnt get the dependancies? |
| 10:56.53 | t-jack | [sumo]: Have you had an attempted app install fail on you? |
| 10:56.56 | jm_ | snadge: no, nothing at all |
| 10:57.01 | [sumo] | no |
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| 10:57.03 | [sumo] | i am fresh man |
| 10:57.12 | [sumo] | fresh install |
| 10:57.20 | t-jack | [sumo]: apt-get install ssh |
| 10:57.29 | [sumo] | it dont go man |
| 10:57.32 | [sumo] | already told u output |
| 10:57.32 | snadge | jm_: hmm.. with nothing at all, one transer can lag the connection up to 10 seconds |
| 10:57.45 | jm_ | snadge: yes, but do you have advanced router option enabled ? |
| 10:57.49 | [sumo] | unmet dependancies |
| 10:57.54 | yo2lux | my error in /var/log/messages : localhost gconfd (root-960) Resolved address "xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only config source at position 0 |
| 10:57.55 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 10:57.55 | dpkg | well, fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked) |
| 10:58.01 | t-jack | [sumo]: install libdb4 |
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| 10:58.14 | snadge | it is |
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| 10:58.18 | notPoncha | nailbiter: the non-cool part is that i can only do 10bast-hd although i am no longer connected to a hub but to a switch instead |
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| 10:58.43 | jm_ | really ? I always believed enabling that solved the issue for me, that's pretty much the only change I made |
| 10:58.45 | _Lya_ | good morning all |
| 10:59.09 | nailbiter | notPoncha: rats .. |
| 10:59.23 | snadge | jm_ i think you're right.. i just disabled wondershaper, and cleared shaping options.. and everything seems more responsive |
| 10:59.24 | trogger | yo2lux: is the problem after chaning your /etc/hosts? |
| 10:59.41 | yo2lux | yes i stop my internet connection with ifconfig eth0 down and now gnome load |
| 10:59.42 | t-jack | [sumo]: If one componant fails for depends, install the offending pkg seperately. |
| 10:59.43 | jm_ | snadge: I wish I knew about this when I still had my modem ;) |
| 10:59.51 | kerpal23 | Wow, this install is going to be on crack. |
| 10:59.59 | [sumo] | yeah. |
| 11:00.04 | kerpal23 | jm_ wish you where here to bitch slap me.. |
| 11:00.14 | notPoncha | nailbiter: thanks a lot for your help! at least i have now no illusions on my the speed :) |
| 11:00.20 | [sumo] | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/db4.2/libdb4.2_4.2.52-16_i386.deb ? |
| 11:00.21 | snadge | jm: how does it work.. what magic does "Advanced Router" enable? |
| 11:00.26 | trogger | ok, so what is the line in /etc/hosts that you have changed? |
| 11:00.35 | nailbiter | notPoncha: np |
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| 11:00.59 | t-jack | [sumo]: apt-get is supposed to figure that out. |
| 11:01.03 | jm_ | snadge: read help about it, but there are no details I believe - I guess one could grep the sources for the appropriate config entry and find out |
| 11:01.29 | [sumo] | apt-get is hopeless right now |
| 11:01.59 | t-jack | [sumo]: Then ftp the .deb and use dpkg. |
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| 11:02.39 | |MiDnIgHt| | shimon sent me for some1 to explain to me |
| 11:03.16 | peterS | |MiDnIgHt|: shimon has zero credibility in this channel. I suggest you not tell us you are his friend, if you really want help |
| 11:03.31 | |MiDnIgHt| | HAHAHAHAH |
| 11:03.51 | |MiDnIgHt| | im not his friend lol |
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| 11:04.08 | Vareni | let's just say xandros sucks and leave it at that, all right? |
| 11:04.18 | ykke | Hehe. |
| 11:04.19 | |MiDnIgHt| | pfft |
| 11:04.22 | peterS | |MiDnIgHt|: in that case, I wonder what you are doing in a channel named #shimon |
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| 11:04.30 | Vareni | |MiDnIgHt| came here asking for help with installing xchat 2.1. |
| 11:04.38 | |MiDnIgHt| | he was helping me gettin xchat online peterS |
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| 11:05.12 | Vareni | and after I'm done making sure |MiDnIgHt| gets help, I'm going to go take a shower... |
| 11:05.18 | ykke | xandros is uglier then Windows 3.11. ;) |
| 11:05.33 | k-god | [sumo]: How goes? |
| 11:05.55 | t-jack | [sumo]: Is it working? |
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| 11:06.18 | SeBsZ | Hello, i installed debian with sarge network installation. After it downloaded all the packages and installed them, im left with a bash prompt. Now when i try to install software using "apt" it tells me command apt not found... why isn't apt installed? |
| 11:06.30 | [sumo] | i dl'ed the libdb4.2 deb file |
| 11:06.38 | [sumo] | trying to dpkg it |
| 11:06.50 | jm_ | the comamnd is apt-get not apt |
| 11:07.15 | yo2lux | my XFree86.0.log error : X: Client 5 rejected from local host |
| 11:07.17 | t-jack | [sumo]: cd to dir containing file, dpkg -i filenae.deb |
| 11:07.22 | SeBsZ | thanks :> |
| 11:07.29 | [sumo] | ty man |
| 11:07.30 | yo2lux | when i have eth0 enabled and internet work, gnome not start |
| 11:07.31 | PerfDave | apt-get or apt-file or apt-cache or... ;) |
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| 11:07.45 | PerfDave | "man apt" is illuminating :) |
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| 11:08.10 | [sumo] | now exim4-daemon // |
| 11:08.22 | [sumo] | apt-get still wont run without it |
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| 11:09.10 | t-jack | [sumo]: All of which seems to indicate that something is only half-installed? |
| 11:09.22 | [sumo] | i'm, not sure |
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| 11:09.24 | [sumo] | k-god? |
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| 11:09.39 | [sumo] | seems like apt-get is half installed yeah |
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| 11:09.53 | idimmu | is there a way to boot a kernel from lilo, forcing it to ignore the append="" bit from the config file please? |
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| 11:10.43 | alexb|afk | [sumo]: ? |
| 11:10.44 | t-jack | [sumo]: You shouldn't need a MTA to use apt-get... |
| 11:11.00 | [sumo] | ? |
| 11:11.11 | gundam | hay all .. anyone know where I can get some initrd supports .. |
| 11:11.17 | [sumo] | apt-get doesnt like fixing dependancy issues for me :/ |
| 11:11.24 | gundam | having some major initrd problem ... |
| 11:11.31 | yo2lux | gnome tell me to add 'home |
| 11:11.41 | tarzeau | i wish popularity-contest wouldn't need a mailer either |
| 11:11.47 | yo2lux | in /etc/hosts , when i add 127.0.0.1 localhost home |
| 11:11.49 | yo2lux | gnome not load |
| 11:12.10 | |MiDnIgHt| | how do i add debian sources to my sources list ?> |
| 11:12.25 | [sumo] | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:12.28 | [sumo] | ? |
| 11:12.37 | az[a]zel | !nickometer |MiDnIgHt| |
| 11:12.37 | dpkg | '|MiDnIgHt|' is 99.9433% lame, az[a]zel |
| 11:12.58 | peterS | now I've seen it all. az[a]zel invoking nickometer on *someone else* |
| 11:13.00 | az[a]zel | I wonder how dpkg calculates that |
| 11:13.06 | az[a]zel | peterS: heh |
| 11:13.10 | t-jack | [sumo]: Try debconf aptconf |
| 11:13.12 | az[a]zel | !nickometer az[a]zel |
| 11:13.17 | [sumo] | oh? |
| 11:13.19 | [sumo] | and do what |
| 11:13.27 | az[a]zel | I'm only 38% no |
| 11:13.29 | az[a]zel | now |
| 11:13.34 | peterS | az[a]zel: the algorithm checks for upper/lowercase changes, for one thing |
| 11:13.41 | peterS | az[a]zel: and stray punctuation, which is what hits you in particular |
| 11:13.41 | t-jack | [sumo]: And get a new sources.list |
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| 11:13.50 | peterS | az[a]zel: and it knows about certain lame words like "god" or "death" |
| 11:14.07 | [sumo] | debconf needs options :/ |
| 11:14.16 | az[a]zel | peterS: does the user have to be logged in, or can you give the command any old word, and it will calculate it? |
| 11:14.27 | peterS | az[a]zel: any old word. I strongly suggest /msg for this purpose, though |
| 11:14.35 | |MiDnIgHt| | is anyone gonna help me im a n00b to this |
| 11:14.42 | peterS | !n00b |
| 11:14.42 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 11:15.03 | |MiDnIgHt| | ill take that as a no |
| 11:15.12 | bob2 | |MiDnIgHt|: a) your nick is annoying |
| 11:15.12 | [sumo] | yes why do i need an MTA for apt-get, plz explain |
| 11:15.17 | bob2 | |MiDnIgHt|: b) someone answered you |
| 11:15.21 | bob2 | |MiDnIgHt|: c) edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:15.22 | az[a]zel | ooh I made a 99.9618% annoying nick |
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| 11:15.53 | |MiDnIgHt| | bob2 edit /etc/apt/sources.list means nothing to me |
| 11:15.56 | bob2 | [sumo]: what did you do to break your system? |
| 11:16.16 | k-god | bob2: He chroot installed it. |
| 11:16.22 | k-god | bob2: ...per my instructions. |
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| 11:16.39 | [sumo] | yeah.. |
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| 11:16.43 | maitscha | hallo, i would like to execute the following command via a shell script: SETI_EXECUTE="$SETI_CLIENT_DIR/setiathome -nice $SETI_PRIOR -verbose > $SETI_LOG_FILE/seti &", but I get allways error "bad arg:>". why? |
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| 11:16.51 | geek | anyone willing to help with something arb? |
| 11:16.52 | t-jack | [sumo]: That's debconf apt-config |
| 11:16.55 | [sumo] | k-god: any idea? |
| 11:17.11 | k-god | [sumo]: thinking |
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| 11:17.40 | [sumo] | yeah |
| 11:17.50 | geek | werd guys... |
| 11:17.50 | [sumo] | that did nothing t-jack |
| 11:17.52 | redcliffe | hi - anyone know of a tool for batch image resizing, recompressing and renaming? |
| 11:17.55 | [sumo] | no output |
| 11:17.56 | geek | im new to debian and apt |
| 11:18.11 | streuner | !n00b |
| 11:18.11 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 11:18.14 | PerfDave | redcliffe: imagemagick? |
| 11:18.15 | cahoot | redcliffe: mogrify |
| 11:18.17 | [sumo] | i dl'ed the MTA and also gnutls, and the dependencies never end |
| 11:18.22 | redcliffe | PerfDave: does it do batch ops? |
| 11:18.30 | redcliffe | cahoot: ok thanks i'll look for that |
| 11:18.35 | PerfDave | redcliffe: I believe so, havent' played with it myself. You can always script it :) |
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| 11:18.43 | yo2lux | anyone help me a bit ? please |
| 11:18.46 | redcliffe | lol yep |
| 11:18.47 | cahoot | redcliffe: mogrify (part of imagemagick) |
| 11:18.50 | geek | Reading Package Lists... Error! |
| 11:18.50 | geek | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 11:18.50 | geek | E: Error occured while processing libnautilus2-2 (NewVersion1) |
| 11:18.50 | geek | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages |
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| 11:18.55 | geek | :/ |
| 11:19.04 | MerlinCorey | geek: #flood |
| 11:19.08 | MerlinCorey | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.09 | jm_ | geek: /msg dpg dynamic mmap and don't flood |
| 11:19.10 | geek | basicaly im trying to install ossim |
| 11:19.11 | geek | werd sorry |
| 11:19.16 | streuner | geek: you are not only a newbie, it seems to me you can't read too |
| 11:19.18 | jm_ | dpg=dpkg |
| 11:19.38 | MerlinCorey | yo2lux: what's your woe..? |
| 11:19.47 | streuner | geek: /msg dpkg dynamic nmap |
| 11:19.50 | bob2 | [sumo]: install an MTA |
| 11:19.50 | geek | thanks and sorry |
| 11:19.57 | t-jack | [sumo]: Sorry. Prolly you've already figured out I'm out of ideas. |
| 11:19.59 | [sumo] | i did |
| 11:20.00 | [sumo] | no effect |
| 11:20.08 | k-god | [sumo]: Try replacing "sarge" with "testing" in your /etc/apt/sources.list, rerun apt-get update; apt-get -dy dist-upgrade. |
| 11:20.12 | redcliffe | thanks, cahoot, PerfDave |
| 11:20.14 | [sumo] | i installed exim, it still things i am missing it |
| 11:20.17 | [sumo] | okies. |
| 11:20.27 | streuner | geek: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 11:20.33 | geek | streuner: thanks |
| 11:20.35 | streuner | not nmap |
| 11:20.37 | [sumo] | ok i did that |
| 11:20.38 | k-god | [sumo]: IIRC I had a similar problem, and adding sources seemed to help. You may need to put testing/unstable and set pins (this is over your head I think). |
| 11:20.39 | [sumo] | testing |
| 11:21.02 | [sumo] | ok that helped a little |
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| 11:21.08 | [sumo] | still get gnutls dependancies |
| 11:21.17 | bob2 | [sumo]: just paste the full error to #flood |
| 11:21.21 | bob2 | along with your sources.list |
| 11:21.34 | [sumo] | trying that update again |
| 11:21.38 | [sumo] | i cant, diff machine :( |
| 11:21.48 | mike_25 | I have version 2.2 stable right now, if i want to upgrade to testing do I have to upgrade to 2.4? |
| 11:21.56 | bob2 | [sumo]: then scp it or something |
| 11:21.59 | bob2 | this is a waste of time |
| 11:22.05 | bob2 | mike_25: no |
| 11:22.10 | jeanpoldeux | mike_25: no, but you should. |
| 11:22.15 | mike_25 | ok |
| 11:22.17 | [sumo] | waste of time?! |
| 11:22.21 | [sumo] | lol |
| 11:22.35 | ight | hello again,,,,could anyone tellme whet their /dev/dsp looks like, I need an example to work with. |
| 11:22.37 | gridline | PANIC!: I removed coreutils. What can I do? |
| 11:22.46 | Phated | gridline: Reinstall. |
| 11:22.52 | Phated | Er, coreutils, that is. |
| 11:22.54 | nailbiter | [sumo]: alternately, just start an ssh daemon inside the debootstrap, then log in from the machine running your irc client. |
| 11:22.58 | jeanpoldeux | lrwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9 Jul 25 23:19 /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0 |
| 11:23.00 | jm_ | ight: read devices.txt or use MAKEDEV |
| 11:23.06 | gridline | besides reinstall? |
| 11:23.08 | mike_25 | what is the smp version of the kernel for 686/ |
| 11:23.09 | mike_25 | ? |
| 11:23.14 | trogger | yo2lux: first line of /etc/hosts, and the only line that should mention 127.0.0.1, should read |
| 11:23.14 | mike_25 | it says 686-smp |
| 11:23.28 | nailbiter | mike_25: it'll have an -smp prefix. 'kernel-2.4.26-1-686-smp', for example |
| 11:23.33 | trogger | 127.0.0.1 localhost Home |
| 11:23.35 | nailbiter | mike_25: uh, suffix, not prefix. :) |
| 11:23.35 | bob2 | gridline: er, why did you do that? |
| 11:23.36 | mike_25 | i mean, do i need that? |
| 11:23.37 | ight | jm_ thx |
| 11:23.37 | trogger | and check that |
| 11:23.39 | trogger | hostname |
| 11:23.39 | bob2 | gridline: also, you're fucked |
| 11:23.44 | [sumo] | sshd no host keys avail |
| 11:23.45 | bob2 | gridline: get a knoppix cd or something |
| 11:23.45 | trogger | produces Home |
| 11:23.48 | mike_25 | i have a laptop so just wondering if smp is like mobile or something |
| 11:23.50 | gridline | I get that |
| 11:23.53 | yo2lux | yes i write 127.0.0.1 localhost home |
| 11:23.53 | trogger | yo2lux: capital is important |
| 11:23.56 | t-jack | nailbiter: -smp is a suffix... |
| 11:23.56 | yo2lux | i have the same problem |
| 11:23.58 | gridline | I was downgrading from testing to stable |
| 11:23.59 | jeanpoldeux | mike_25: multi processors. |
| 11:24.02 | mike_25 | ok |
| 11:24.14 | nailbiter | t-jack: yes .. i corrected myself. :) how silly of me, though |
| 11:24.16 | trogger | yo2lux: try removing home then |
| 11:24.25 | maitscha | hallo, i would like to execute the following command via a shell script: SETI_EXECUTE="$SETI_CLIENT_DIR/setiathome -nice $SETI_PRIOR -verbose > $SETI_LOG_FILE/seti &", but I get allways error "bad arg:>". why? |
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| 11:24.39 | gridline | bob2: and when I have the cd? |
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| 11:24.47 | bob2 | gridline: boot into it |
| 11:24.50 | yo2lux | when home reomved from first line gnome tell me to add 'home' in /etc/hosts |
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| 11:24.51 | t-jack | nailbiter: My appologies for meddling trivial... :/ |
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| 11:25.00 | bob2 | gridline: mount your disk. dpkg-deb -x the deb onto your hard disk |
| 11:25.02 | Callipygous | is knoppix debian? |
| 11:25.03 | nailbiter | mike_25: smp = symmetric multiprocessing. only for machines with multiple processors. it'll hurt performance if you try it on a uniprocessor machine .. |
| 11:25.03 | peterS | maitscha: context is everything. we don't know what is executing that command or how |
| 11:25.05 | bob2 | Callipygous: no |
| 11:25.09 | Callipygous | thanks |
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| 11:25.15 | peterS | maitscha: if it's not being executed via a shell, ">" will not do what you think it does |
| 11:25.16 | jeanpoldeux | !tell Callipygous about knoppix |
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| 11:25.33 | Callipygous | thanks, somebody is arguing to me that knoppix is debian, i said it isn't |
| 11:25.38 | nailbiter | t-jack: it's ok. :) i've played spelling nazi before, so i guess this is just karmic for me .. |
| 11:25.40 | streuner | Callipygous: question, is an apple a strawberry? |
| 11:25.49 | jeanpoldeux | Callipygous: you can also download debian boot cd's. |
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| 11:26.07 | Callipygous | meh, i know its not |
| 11:26.09 | maitscha | peterS: it's executed via a script. |
| 11:26.15 | [sumo] | k-god: anymore ideas? |
| 11:26.21 | Callipygous | just some bum reckons it is |
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| 11:26.36 | t-jack | nailbiter: At least William Saphire language arts nazi has more purpose than soup nazi/// ;) |
| 11:26.49 | maitscha | peterS: who can I redirect the output of the command to a file if the command is executet within a shell-script? |
| 11:27.04 | xcyborg | is there a central location with a list of third party deb repositories that I can use ? |
| 11:27.04 | maitscha | peterS: who/s/how |
| 11:27.10 | jeanpoldeux | maitscha: command >file |
| 11:27.11 | gridline | bob2: and then install it witj fateroot or something? |
| 11:27.11 | peterS | maitscha: depends on what the script does with the command. read it and see |
| 11:27.12 | yo2lux | this is my /etc/hosts file : 127.0.0.1 localhost , i start gnome : Could not look up internet address for home. It may be possible to correct the problem by adding home to the file /etc/hosts... ok i add 127.0.0.1 localhost home |
| 11:27.14 | yo2lux | the same problem |
| 11:27.17 | nailbiter | t-jack: :) i think both are equally lost causes .. |
| 11:27.22 | gridline | fakeroot^ |
| 11:27.22 | k-god | [sumo]: Did you try that? |
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| 11:27.29 | coachz | Is this true? kernel 2.4.21 ERROR: smbfs filesystem not supported by the kernel |
| 11:27.30 | bob2 | gridline: no, then chroot into your HD system and install it with dpkg -i |
| 11:27.40 | jm_ | coachz: for your kernel maybe |
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| 11:27.56 | coachz | this is woody |
| 11:27.58 | k-god | [sumo]: bob2's good. If he's going to help you, I'm going to wrestle w/ my Win98 install here.... |
| 11:27.59 | [sumo] | k-god: trying unstable now |
| 11:28.02 | k-god | bob2: You good for that? |
| 11:28.04 | peterS | coachz: it's hard to answer that, as 2.4.21 hasn't been in the Debian archive for a very long time |
| 11:28.14 | nailbiter | coachz: is this a kernel you've compiled yourself? |
| 11:28.17 | gridline | ye sthats what I meant, TY |
| 11:28.24 | coachz | i didn't compile it |
| 11:28.26 | [sumo] | :| |
| 11:28.30 | t-jack | supageek dot shell is a newbie? |
| 11:28.38 | nailbiter | coachz: ok. try loading the 'smbfs' module first, then. |
| 11:28.55 | coachz | how do i do that ? |
| 11:29.03 | peterS | coachz: woody in particular did not ship with 2.4.21 at all. where you got your kernel is a mystery |
| 11:29.05 | t-jack | Pretensious... |
| 11:29.30 | nailbiter | t-jack: pretentious. :) mwhaahaha .. i'm relapsing |
| 11:29.36 | treestone | coachz: cat /proc/filesystems |
| 11:29.39 | jeanpoldeux | maitscha: I think you need if command >file. look in /etc/init.d/scripts for exemples. |
| 11:29.40 | yo2lux | when i add home to /etc/hosts i don't the error message but gnome not start only when i write : ifconfig eth0 down |
| 11:29.51 | coachz | btw, smbfs IS installed |
| 11:29.54 | treestone | coachz: And maybe you have a module for it. |
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| 11:30.02 | yo2lux | when i add home in host file i don't have the error message |
| 11:30.09 | t-jack | nailbiter: Change your name to Billy Blue. :) |
| 11:30.09 | peterS | coachz: sure, the userspace package. where did you get your kernel? you did *not* get it from the Debian woody archive |
| 11:30.11 | yo2lux | but gnome not start until eth0 not stoped |
| 11:30.12 | coachz | treestone, it's not listed in proc/filesystems |
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| 11:30.21 | nailbiter | coachz: there's 'smbfs', the kernel module and 'smbfs', the debian package. they're not the same thing. load the kernel module. |
| 11:30.26 | yo2lux | without eth0 my internet connection not work |
| 11:30.29 | coachz | peterS, I didn't do the original install |
| 11:30.43 | coachz | how do i load the kernel module please ? |
| 11:30.48 | peterS | coachz: modprobe smbfs |
| 11:31.01 | peterS | coachz: I am guessing it will fail, because whoever compiled your kernel did not include the smbfs module |
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| 11:31.10 | coachz | modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.21/modules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 11:31.12 | treestone | coachz: Look in /lib/modules/2.4.21<possibly-something>/kernel/fs/ to see if you have a module for smbfs |
| 11:31.27 | nailbiter | yo2lux: hang on .. what's your system hostname? and what exactly did you put in your /etc/hosts? |
| 11:31.34 | jeanpoldeux | coachz: depmod && modprobe smbfs |
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| 11:31.44 | peterS | no such file or directory for modules.dep? that's kind of serious breakage right there |
| 11:31.46 | nailbiter | coachz: do a 'depmod -a', then re-try the modprobe command. |
| 11:31.57 | coachz | i only have 2.4.18-bf2.4/ dir in lib/modules |
| 11:31.59 | yo2lux | i have in /etc/hostname one line called : home |
| 11:32.06 | every-one | !tell b3nj about away |
| 11:32.16 | yo2lux | in /etc/hosts i have a line called : 127.0.0.1 localhost home |
| 11:32.19 | nailbiter | coachz: in that case, whomever installed your kernel for you forgot to include modules for it. |
| 11:32.20 | coachz | depmod: Can't open /lib/modules/2.4.21/modules.dep for writing |
| 11:32.33 | yo2lux | my hostname is : home, i choose this name istead of debian , at sarge setup |
| 11:32.37 | peterS | coachz: do you even have a directory /lib/modules/2.4.21 ? |
| 11:32.43 | jeanpoldeux | coachz: think a little bit. |
| 11:32.44 | coachz | peterS, nope |
| 11:32.56 | coachz | jeanpoldeux, hilarious ;-) |
| 11:32.57 | nailbiter | yo2lux: ok, cool. can you do a 'hostname --fqdn'? |
| 11:33.01 | peterS | coachz: that's your problem, then. whoever compiled your kernel either did not include any module support, or did not install the modules |
| 11:33.05 | jeanpoldeux | coachz: no such file or directory or not the permission ? |
| 11:33.06 | tarzeau | bob2: http://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/2004/08/msg00006.html |
| 11:33.26 | coachz | brb |
| 11:33.38 | yo2lux | i type : hostname --fqdn, and i see a line called : localhost |
| 11:34.34 | k-god | OMFG. I just realized that w3m has tabbed browsing. |
| 11:34.54 | nailbiter | yo2lux: would you mind just setting your hostname to 'localhost' for the time being? it's just to simplify things. |
| 11:35.05 | peterS | k-god: welcome to 2003 (: |
| 11:35.06 | [sumo] | k-god: still rooted man |
| 11:35.53 | t-jack | Well... Another sign of that screwy logic I mentioned last night. An airplane delayed 90 min trying to disbark a man with a topless woman printed on a t-shirt. |
| 11:36.03 | yo2lux | nailbiter no im not set this localhost, i think this is the default |
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| 11:36.26 | bob2 | [sumo]: paste it all to #flood |
| 11:36.31 | t-jack | nailbiter: Public Decency Nazis... |
| 11:36.32 | bob2 | you're wasting our time if you expect us to guess |
| 11:36.36 | jeanpoldeux | t-jack: uh ? it's the end of the world, a topless girl ;) |
| 11:37.05 | Noid | t-jack: incredible. |
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| 11:37.12 | nailbiter | yo2lux: alright -- gnome will refuse to start unless you have a resolvable hostname. if you have just the one machine on your network, you can just set your hostname to 'localhost' to get it started. |
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| 11:37.15 | treestone | t-jack: Which country? |
| 11:37.16 | jeanpoldeux | crazy |
| 11:37.20 | t-jack | jeanpoldeux: A t-shirt print.. of a topless woman. |
| 11:37.30 | jeanpoldeux | t-jack: it was irony |
| 11:37.42 | t-jack | treed: Where else? USA. |
| 11:37.55 | jeanpoldeux | the land of freedom |
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| 11:38.11 | nailbiter | yo2lux: 'echo localhost >/etc/hostname && hostname -F /etc/hostname' |
| 11:38.18 | mocat | It won't be when the likes of Ashcroft have finished with it. |
| 11:38.25 | t-jack | Watch those fucking nick completions, t-jack you idiot! |
| 11:38.31 | yo2lux | nailbiter ok |
| 11:38.36 | mocat | Or those Homeland Security idiots you have running around over there. |
| 11:39.01 | streuner | !politics |
| 11:39.01 | dpkg | Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 11:39.24 | coachz | I have compiled kernels before but not for a box with RAID drivers. Is that going to throw a monkey wrench in things ? |
| 11:39.26 | jeanpoldeux | thanks streuner. |
| 11:39.39 | t-jack | mocat: Wait til Demos get finished beefing up and 'redirecting' (I forget the exact wording) that office. |
| 11:39.39 | bob2 | coachz: is it proper raid? |
| 11:39.48 | jeanpoldeux | coachz: your dependencies resolved ? |
| 11:39.49 | peterS | coachz: who knows. "raid drivers" is terribly ambiguous |
| 11:39.52 | coachz | bob2, hardware raid dell 1650 |
| 11:39.57 | g4lt | !tell t-jack about politics |
| 11:40.05 | [sumo] | hmm, |
| 11:40.07 | coachz | jeanpoldeux, no |
| 11:40.16 | jeanpoldeux | coachz: on thing after the other |
| 11:40.18 | fs | coachz: aacraid |
| 11:40.19 | bob2 | coachz: just include the driver for it IN the kernel |
| 11:40.23 | bob2 | coachz: then it'll work fine |
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| 11:40.41 | coachz | okie, i guess i should prolly go for the latest kernel then |
| 11:40.48 | peterS | bob2: that's assuming the driver exists, in working form, in the kernel he is attempting to compile |
| 11:40.54 | t-jack | g4lt: I'd posted that before seeing the call to desist. Granted, I shouldn't even have started it... Sorry. |
| 11:41.07 | jeanpoldeux | coachz: as root, just type "touch /lib/modules/2.4.21/modules.dep. then re-run depmod and modprobe. |
| 11:41.18 | k-man | afternoon |
| 11:41.38 | peterS | jeanpoldeux: you assume much. tell him to mkdir /lib/modules/2.4.21 first |
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| 11:41.53 | peterS | jeanpoldeux: that, as it happens, was his problem |
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| 11:42.01 | bob2 | peterS: too much to assume? |
| 11:42.05 | k-man | if one wanted to write an open source program, that runs under windows and linux, which language would one choose? |
| 11:42.09 | jeanpoldeux | peterS: really ? I cannot believe. It's too.... big |
| 11:42.15 | peterS | bob2: as it happens, he did not have modules installed at all |
| 11:42.17 | coachz | depmod && modprobe |
| 11:42.18 | coachz | depmod: cannot read ELF header from /lib/modules/2.4.21/modules.dep |
| 11:42.20 | k-man | something that is gui based, not command line or console |
| 11:42.27 | treestone | k-man: 'bad language' seems to work everywhere.. |
| 11:42.41 | coachz | peters, I actually figured out to make a dir. ;-) |
| 11:43.14 | jeanpoldeux | coachz: an empty dir ? ahaha |
| 11:43.14 | k-man | treestone, hmm.. |
| 11:43.14 | yo2lux | nailbiter i have the same problem :( |
| 11:43.14 | peterS | coachz: won't do you much good to make a directory and then look in there for modules (: |
| 11:43.14 | yo2lux | i wirte localhost in /etc/hostname |
| 11:43.14 | coachz | peterS, the raid drives are working so i assume the drivers are loaded |
| 11:43.31 | bob2 | peterS: hahahaha |
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| 11:43.51 | g4lt | profanity is the one language common to all programmers |
| 11:44.02 | [sumo] | any solutions for me? |
| 11:44.09 | Phated | g4lt: Profanity is pretty much international. |
| 11:44.21 | jeanpoldeux | Phated: Aïe. |
| 11:44.32 | Phated | jeanpoldeux: :) |
| 11:44.44 | nailbiter | yo2lux: hang on .. are you getting an address for eth0 via DHCP? |
| 11:44.45 | gridline | How does the woody installer install dpkg? I find a package, but how does he install it? |
| 11:45.00 | [sumo] | why wont my apt handle dependancies |
| 11:45.10 | yo2lux | no, i have a static ip address 192.168.10.30 , i have a netmask and a gateway 192.168.10.1 |
| 11:45.16 | jeanpoldeux | gridline: at install time. |
| 11:45.16 | yo2lux | and one DNS in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:45.17 | peterS | gridline: it just unpacks it into the new root directory |
| 11:45.47 | bob2 | [sumo]: because you fucked it up |
| 11:45.52 | bob2 | [sumo]: paste the info I asked for to #flood |
| 11:45.53 | jeanpoldeux | gridline: I guess installer load dpkg in the ram of your comp, to be able to unpack. |
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| 11:45.58 | bob2 | until then, there's nothing anyone can do |
| 11:46.26 | [sumo] | how did i fuck anything up? |
| 11:46.44 | yo2lux | Debian sarge at setup ask me , your hostname : debian , i remove debain and i write home |
| 11:46.45 | bob2 | I have no idea |
| 11:46.48 | bob2 | but stable works fine |
| 11:46.49 | jeanpoldeux | [sumo]: because computers are fuckable ? |
| 11:46.50 | yo2lux | and now i have only problems |
| 11:46.53 | g4lt | [sumo] you have to ask? |
| 11:46.55 | [sumo] | this isnt stable |
| 11:47.01 | [sumo] | i have been using aptget for long time |
| 11:47.09 | bob2 | haha |
| 11:47.10 | bob2 | right |
| 11:47.19 | bob2 | so paste the error message to #flood and we can probably fix it |
| 11:47.21 | [sumo] | left. |
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| 11:47.40 | [sumo] | i have no apps |
| 11:47.42 | [sumo] | and i have no mouse |
| 11:47.49 | jeanpoldeux | poor baby |
| 11:47.52 | bob2 | so? |
| 11:47.58 | bob2 | I fail to see the problem here. |
| 11:48.01 | peterS | let him eat cake |
| 11:48.20 | [sumo] | how do u expect me to irc without an irc client |
| 11:48.34 | Phated | [sumo]: Whichever way you're doing it now. |
| 11:48.40 | [sumo] | different machine |
| 11:48.42 | g4lt | [sumo] telnet <server> 6666 |
| 11:48.45 | bob2 | [sumo]: scp |
| 11:48.46 | bob2 | ftp |
| 11:48.47 | bob2 | http |
| 11:48.49 | bob2 | netcat |
| 11:48.50 | bob2 | telnet |
| 11:48.53 | bob2 | etc |
| 11:49.01 | jeanpoldeux | [sumo]: we expect more that you find a way by yourself, which would probably help you in the future. |
| 11:49.04 | [sumo] | i am running no deamons |
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| 11:49.10 | jm_ | :!tell bob2 -about enter ;) |
| 11:49.15 | Phated | Ooo, you can IRC with telnet? |
| 11:49.18 | [sumo] | just liek irc , i dont have http |
| 11:49.20 | [sumo] | etc. |
| 11:49.22 | bob2 | [sumo]: um, install one? |
| 11:49.23 | jeanpoldeux | Phated: yes. |
| 11:49.25 | g4lt | [sumo] what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? |
| 11:49.29 | Phated | jeanpoldeux: Cooool... |
| 11:49.42 | jeanpoldeux | Phated: :) |
| 11:49.50 | bob2 | [sumo]: you don't need apt to do so |
| 11:49.55 | bob2 | install ssh, now |
| 11:49.57 | Phated | jeanpoldeux: I know, my n00bness is showing. |
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| 11:50.00 | bob2 | or copy the errors to a floppy |
| 11:50.02 | bob2 | or cd |
| 11:50.03 | yo2lux | i remove windows since sunday, and i play with debian, i need a gnome to talk with friends on gaim, and this f*cking sarge not work with hosts |
| 11:50.03 | bob2 | or dvd |
| 11:50.07 | g4lt | Phated yes, you can do a LOT of things with telnet. your only hangup with telnet IRC is ponging the server before timeout |
| 11:50.13 | bob2 | yo2lux: #debian.hu |
| 11:50.15 | yo2lux | this is not my day |
| 11:50.21 | Phated | g4lt: Cooool... :) |
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| 11:51.00 | jeanpoldeux | Phated: not at all. I'm newbie since fast two years ;) |
| 11:51.03 | mocat | ircing with a telnet client soon gets tedious though |
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| 11:51.16 | Phated | jeanpoldeux: Heh, still makes me a bigger newbie. :) |
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| 11:51.52 | bob2 | anyway |
| 11:52.03 | jm_ | sounds like night shift |
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| 11:52.16 | peterS | Phated: your fixation on the "chart" at all says more about your newbieness than your ignorance of things like "irc via telnet" |
| 11:52.24 | streuner | bob2: found a work? |
| 11:52.29 | Phated | peterS: Heh, I know. |
| 11:52.45 | bob2 | streuner: yeah |
| 11:52.53 | bob2 | jm_: no, just different timezone ;) |
| 11:52.56 | streuner | bob2: hey dude, fine. |
| 11:53.08 | bob2 | thanks :) |
| 11:54.06 | PerfDave | Which Debian package should I dpkg-reconfigure to alter the contents of /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 11:54.07 | g4lt | Phated privmsg #channel ^AACTION: foo^A ;P |
| 11:54.14 | jm_ | PerfDave: none |
| 11:54.16 | bob2 | PerfDave: none |
| 11:54.21 | mocat | 2400bps FFSK |
| 11:54.22 | Phated | g4lt: Ooh. :) |
| 11:54.25 | bob2 | PerfDave: use a text editor or etherconf |
| 11:54.30 | streuner | PerfDave: heh? edit the file |
| 11:54.41 | g4lt | Phated RTFS |
| 11:54.49 | peterS | PerfDave: run 'etherconf' or just edit the file manually |
| 11:54.54 | Phated | g4lt: OK, OK... |
| 11:54.57 | peterS | bob2: you win |
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| 11:55.50 | g4lt | mocat expwcr me to be IRCing via cel in the near future ;) |
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| 11:56.19 | alexb|afk | g4lt: read the fucking shit ? |
| 11:56.29 | jm_ | symbian ? |
| 11:56.34 | g4lt | alexb|afk source. use the source, luke |
| 11:56.40 | g4lt | jm_ palmos |
| 11:56.44 | mocat | g4lt: that can get expensive with GPRS real quick if you get pingflooded :D |
| 11:56.45 | alexb|afk | let's hope your cellphone has a better keyboard than your desktop |
| 11:56.46 | jeanpoldeux | lucky luke ? |
| 11:56.51 | Phated | g4lt: Cool. :) |
| 11:56.53 | PerfDave | I'll have a look at etherconf, the file says that it's a debconf-controlled file and that I shouldn't edit it manually. |
| 11:56.55 | BrianR___ | heh. better use an irc proxy |
| 11:56.57 | g4lt | alexb|afk fuck you ;P |
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| 11:57.01 | alexb|afk | ;) |
| 11:57.02 | Phated | jeanpoldeux: Heh. :) Good game. :) |
| 11:57.03 | jm_ | g4lt: nice |
| 11:57.16 | Phated | alexb|afk: Good one. *claps* |
| 11:57.22 | jeanpoldeux | Phated: I feel kiddy today. |
| 11:57.29 | Phated | jeanpoldeux: Meh, I always do. :) |
| 11:57.34 | mocat | g4lt: I've got a pair of Simoco SRM9005 mobile radios here, that I can send data between using serial. They're designed for vehicle location, telemetry and stuff. |
| 11:57.34 | g4lt | alexb|afk BTW, it does: graffiti |
| 11:57.36 | t-jack | HaHaHa! "Sun Beats Chest, Brags Of Novel Purchase... But Why?" |
| 11:57.42 | alexb|afk | g4lt: i know, i got one too |
| 11:57.49 | alexb|afk | g4lt: well palm that is |
| 11:57.50 | mocat | t-jack: To piss off IBM |
| 11:57.55 | Phated | g4lt: Most people type faster than they write... :) |
| 11:58.11 | jeanpoldeux | Phated: I'm leaving this evening for a journey in spain, four weeks 8-) |
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| 11:58.14 | Phated | t-jack: Ohhh, no, Sun bought Novell? |
| 11:58.15 | t-jack | Phated: I slow-ass typer. |
| 11:58.22 | Phated | jeanpoldeux: AWESOME! |
| 11:58.26 | Phated | t-jack: Heh, all right. |
| 11:58.32 | mocat | 100wpm in graffiti on a palm is not unheard of. |
| 11:58.37 | g4lt | mocat you'd have to get a GP processor in the loop somewhere, but after that, it should be trivial ;) |
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| 11:58.41 | Phated | jeanpoldeux: Good reason to feel kiddy, then. :) |
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| 11:58.49 | jeanpoldeux | Phated: yep :))))) |
| 11:59.15 | t-jack | Phated: http://arstechnica.com/news/posts/20040802-4060.html |
| 11:59.18 | k-god | peterS: Well, it's more like "I realized a while ago that there was a keypress that did something weird at the top of my w3m session". What I didn't realize was that it was tabs. |
| 11:59.24 | alexb|afk | sun is CONSIDERING buying novell |
| 11:59.40 | Phated | t-jack: Oh. |
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| 11:59.47 | streuner | well, novell bought SuSE |
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| 12:00.00 | alexb|afk | the problem is, i both like sun and novell (and dislike suse) |
| 12:00.01 | mocat | g4lt: the radio handles all that for me, it's pretty cool. |
| 12:00.03 | Phated | !phatedsmite Sun |
| 12:00.13 | t-jack | alexb|afk: er... I only read the headline. I should read the article, I think. |
| 12:00.16 | wookey | novell wouldnt sell |
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| 12:00.17 | alexb|afk | but i'm not sure if i like the combination of the two |
| 12:00.19 | mocat | alexb|afk: likewise |
| 12:00.56 | wookey | novell like to be able to do there own thing |
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| 12:01.37 | dofre1680 | hello |
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| 12:02.11 | g4lt | !flw8 is <wookey> novell wouldnt sell |
| 12:02.11 | dpkg | g4lt: okay |
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| 12:02.27 | [sumo] | this sux |
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| 12:02.34 | Phated | !sux |
| 12:02.34 | dpkg | from memory, sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 12:02.34 | tapia | hola |
| 12:02.37 | tapia | una preguntilla |
| 12:02.44 | mocat | Novell will sell, if the price is right. |
| 12:02.52 | tapia | ¿cómo puedo conseguir la ip de un router ADSL? |
| 12:02.53 | jeanpoldeux | !spanish |
| 12:02.54 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 12:02.57 | alexb|afk | g4lt: they simply might not have much of a choice |
| 12:03.04 | tapia | estoy conectado directamente a él, con un cable de red |
| 12:03.04 | Phated | mocat: <cue gameshow-host imitation> |
| 12:03.18 | mocat | eh. i hate that show |
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| 12:03.29 | alexb|afk | tapia: nobody understands you, goto #debian-es |
| 12:03.32 | Phated | mocat: Yet, yet... ;) |
| 12:03.33 | g4lt | !tell tapia about spanish |
| 12:03.39 | tapia | ouch, I join an incorrect channel, sorry!! |
| 12:03.45 | jeanpoldeux | tapia: np |
| 12:03.50 | jeanpoldeux | spain is nice . |
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| 12:04.15 | coachz | Can anyone explian to me what these kernel compile steps are accomplishing please? http://rafb.net/paste/results/ETwGaK12.html |
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| 12:04.39 | jeanpoldeux | !win channel |
| 12:04.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, channel! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 12:05.06 | [sumo] | k-god.. still no luck |
| 12:05.11 | coachz | I know mrproper is cleaning out config files but i'm not sure if it's in the right order |
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| 12:05.38 | SeBsZ | Hello, im following a guide for debian that will configure debian with everything i need. Now at one point i need to apt-get install sasl2-bin. When I do that, i get a dependency issue. When I also install the dependency, i get a conflict between 2 files. It is not possible to install this sasl2-bin. Who can help me? Can I force apt-get to install it? |
| 12:06.03 | k-god | [sumo]: Where are you stuck, again? |
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| 12:06.37 | [sumo] | k-god: think i mighta solved it |
| 12:06.38 | SeBsZ | anyone? |
| 12:06.50 | [sumo] | k-god: just apt-get install everysingle dependency it whines about |
| 12:06.50 | streuner | anyone is not here |
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| 12:06.57 | jm_ | SeBsZ: man dpkg ; man dpkg-override ; dpkg --force-help |
| 12:06.58 | streuner | SeBsZ: woody? |
| 12:07.02 | SeBsZ | yeah |
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| 12:07.15 | streuner | !find sasl2-bin woody |
| 12:07.19 | [sumo] | k-god: ie all at once |
| 12:07.27 | SeBsZ | oops, no not woody, sarge |
| 12:07.31 | k-god | [sumo]: You're doing that now? |
| 12:07.37 | k-god | [sumo]: Worth a shot. |
| 12:07.39 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'sasl2-bin' returned no results. |
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| 12:07.44 | streuner | !find sasl2-bin sarge |
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| 12:07.54 | dpkg | sasl2-bin: (Programs for manipulating the SASL users database), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.1.18-4.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 107 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
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| 12:08.08 | [sumo] | is it necessary to have exim4 installed for apt-get? |
| 12:08.15 | jm_ | no |
| 12:08.17 | streuner | SeBsZ: so did you check BTS? |
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| 12:08.58 | g4lt | [sumo] there's a requires: chain that involves MTA, yes. exim4 is not needed by name though |
| 12:09.16 | [sumo] | yeah it was for me though. |
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| 12:09.25 | SeBsZ | streuner, BTS? |
| 12:09.27 | streuner | !bts |
| 12:09.27 | dpkg | methinks bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs |
| 12:09.30 | [sumo] | apt-get is running nicely now i installed exim and all its goddamn dependancies |
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| 12:09.59 | g4lt | [sumo] you could have installed almost any MTA and it would have |
| 12:10.00 | mosty | sumo: an mta is probably essential for most unix setups |
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| 12:10.15 | SeBsZ | streuner, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=sasls2-bin |
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| 12:10.35 | SeBsZ | streuner, no bugs |
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| 12:10.50 | themusicgod1 | "Partition 2 on /dev/hdd is not marked active"-lilo. Does this mean 'is not marked bootable'?, if not what does 'active' mean in this context, and either way, is there a way to activate partitions?[context:/sbin/lilo?] |
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| 12:11.11 | streuner | SeBsZ: well, use this instead: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=sasl2-bin |
| 12:11.17 | SeBsZ | i wrote "dpkg --install sasl2-bin" but it tells me it cannot access archive: no such file or directoryt |
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| 12:11.38 | mosty | themolester, fdisk it, i think |
| 12:11.45 | g4lt | SeBsZ of course, apt stores all ist debs in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 12:12.00 | themusicgod1 | mosty: that going to me? |
| 12:12.05 | SeBsZ | streuner, my problem is not on that page |
| 12:12.09 | SeBsZ | g4lt, yeah? |
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| 12:12.34 | [busta] | hi |
| 12:12.39 | [busta] | where can i find some french help ? |
| 12:12.49 | streuner | SeBsZ: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say? |
| 12:12.51 | SlayerXP | [busta]: france. |
| 12:12.55 | g4lt | !tell [busta] about french |
| 12:12.59 | Phated | [busta]: #debian-fr, probs. |
| 12:13.15 | mosty | themolester, yes. sorry. xchat's nick completion sucks |
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| 12:13.24 | [busta] | thx |
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| 12:13.30 | Phated | mosty: Point proven. :) |
| 12:13.31 | SeBsZ | it lists it, with a description and version 2.3.2.ds1-13 |
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| 12:13.44 | g4lt | but you have to realize, we have the #debian-* evvect and french. those guys are probably real assholes ;P |
| 12:13.49 | fflush | does sid libc6 supports ntpl? |
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| 12:14.13 | SeBsZ | streuner, i went to /var/cache/apt/archives but my sasl2-bin is not there |
| 12:14.31 | mosty | Phated, i'm used to bash et al style, tab will complete as much as it can then stop |
| 12:14.40 | arapax | hi does anyone have the rules for iptables to get emulte to work? |
| 12:14.44 | streuner | SeBsZ: /j #flood |
| 12:14.54 | SeBsZ | sorry? |
| 12:14.56 | Phated | mosty: Aye, yeah. irssi's tab-complete, when not borked, works very well. :) |
| 12:15.12 | mosty | arapax, there's probably lots of different ways to do it, depending on your current setup |
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| 12:15.34 | directhex | mosty, it was changed to mirc style from bash style in the last update |
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| 12:15.46 | Phated | directhex: Ewwww, I like bash style, damnit. |
| 12:15.53 | coachz | what document do i need to compile my kernel? I'm in the Documentation folder with about 100 files |
| 12:15.54 | directhex | Phated, me also. |
| 12:15.54 | Nuataro | how long does it take to install debian with a Duron 700 and 512mb ram |
| 12:15.59 | thomsen | hi |
| 12:16.02 | g4lt | is there ANYTHING good when it's prefaced by "mirc-style"? |
| 12:16.04 | [sumo] | k-god: around? |
| 12:16.12 | arapax | mosty: well i have something setup now but i still dont get two green arrows in emule |
| 12:16.14 | BrianR___ | Nuataro: prolly depends on the speed of your disks and installation source more than the CPU/ram |
| 12:16.18 | Phated | directhex: Yeppers, probably why we use bash. :) |
| 12:16.19 | k-god | [sumo]: Somewhat. |
| 12:16.19 | treestone | coachz: There's a README in the kernel source top level directory |
| 12:16.21 | mosty | Nuataro, what brianr said |
| 12:16.32 | Phated | g4lt: The interface is OK, that's about it. :| |
| 12:16.34 | Nuataro | About??? |
| 12:16.35 | mosty | arapax, i don't know what two green arrows means |
| 12:16.36 | k-god | [sumo]: Working? |
| 12:16.38 | Nuataro | 3 hrs |
| 12:16.39 | directhex | Phated, we do? what's wrong with Korn |
| 12:16.43 | BrianR___ | Nuataro: Installation from a local mirror over gigabit ethernet is going to be very fast on even the slowest machines. |
| 12:16.46 | BrianR___ | cdrom is probably second |
| 12:16.46 | [sumo] | k-god: yep, i need to install a kernel yeah |
| 12:16.54 | BrianR___ | followed by http over a decent internet connection |
| 12:16.55 | Phated | directhex: Meh, I dunno, bash has a cooler name. :) |
| 12:16.55 | Nuataro | ive gota 512 adsl |
| 12:16.57 | k-god | [sumo]: That's often useful. |
| 12:17.04 | coachz | thanks |
| 12:17.14 | thomsen | may anybody can help me ? i want to build an adsl-router ( 2 nic's ) but i have some problems to set up the routing table |
| 12:17.15 | arapax | mosty: well it says if u have the connection setup properly |
| 12:17.21 | [sumo] | k-god: i apt-get install kernel, and nothin, so trying cache, how should i be doing this |
| 12:18.03 | treestone | thomsen: Just add a few rules to the forwarding chain, and make sure /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is 1 |
| 12:18.05 | Phated | [sumo]: apt-cache search kernel | grep <kernel-version> | grep <your arch> |
| 12:18.11 | Nuataro | Is it hard to install compared to fedora core 2? |
| 12:18.13 | [sumo] | ta |
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| 12:18.30 | Noid | arapax: you probably are behind a NAT router/firewall and you need to forward your emule port... the emule webpage should tell you how to do it |
| 12:18.30 | Phated | [sumo]: No problem. |
| 12:18.37 | mosty | nuataro: try it and see |
| 12:18.47 | g4lt | thomsen if you can't set up the routing table for a router, you're screwed ;P |
| 12:19.02 | Nuataro | 28 hours until the disks are ready |
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| 12:19.22 | Nuataro | Is there going to be a new version of debian in the near future |
| 12:19.29 | arapax | Noid: yes my debian box is my router, i just have to configure iptables correctly |
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| 12:19.44 | thomsen | treestone: but how to set them ? before i connect to adsl i run route del default .... but where can i set up the forwarding things ... |
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| 12:20.21 | xsdg | Nuataro: yes, but you can use the sarge installer now, and it's much better than the woody installer anyway (for i386 and some others, at least) |
| 12:20.24 | Noid | arapax: well, just forward the emule port from the public ip to the private ip of the puter emule is running |
| 12:20.25 | mosty | nuataro: a new stable version? no probably not. but you can run the testing or unstable branches if you want something newer |
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| 12:20.57 | treestone | thomsen: You really have to read up on iptables and firewalling documentation. If you want to do proper routing and firewalling you need that background. However, just for forwarding from one nic to the other you just need to configure the nics, then set ip_forward to 1 in /proc |
| 12:21.05 | arapax | Noid: i have done that but it does not seem to work properly im still getting a low id in emule |
| 12:21.11 | [sumo] | k-god: what kernal do u suggest? |
| 12:21.25 | arapax | Noid: i can show you the lines for iptables if you want |
| 12:21.47 | k-god | [sumo]: Current 2.6.7 for your arch. |
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| 12:22.02 | k-god | [sumo]: Seems to be snappier than 2.4, and generally works. |
| 12:22.04 | [sumo] | whats my arch, i have a p2 |
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| 12:22.16 | Noid | arapax: try (in #flood, not here) but i don't really use iptables |
| 12:22.16 | k-god | [sumo]: I've just cut over to 2.6 from 2.4 recently. |
| 12:22.20 | Phated | [sumo]: 1386, probs. |
| 12:22.23 | k-god | [sumo]: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:22.24 | Nuataro | Where can i read whats inside of those 7 cds |
| 12:22.30 | Phated | k-god: Any performance improvements? |
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| 12:22.40 | k-god | [sumo]: PPro - P4 == 586. |
| 12:22.40 | Phated | [sumo]: Err, s/1/i/. |
| 12:22.54 | mosty | Nuataro, don't download 7 cd's. dowload the first cd. or even better, the netinstall cd. |
| 12:22.59 | k-god | Phated: Well. One box seemed slightly snappier before it fell over w/ HW problems ;-) |
| 12:23.03 | Nuataro | why? |
| 12:23.09 | mosty | k-god, you mean 686 |
| 12:23.11 | [sumo] | so install kernel-image and kernel-headers? |
| 12:23.21 | k-god | mosty: You, sir, would be correct. |
| 12:23.22 | Phated | k-god: No, P3's a 686. And hm... Maybe I'll attempt a new kernel sometime. |
| 12:23.23 | greycat | !faqsmite Nuataro |
| 12:23.23 | dpkg | Nuataro: GO READ THE FAQ!! It's at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ -- greycat and others have SLAVED for HOURS to make a FAQ that answers your question and you don't even bother to read it! http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 12:23.25 | [sumo] | so 686 or 386 |
| 12:23.26 | thomsen | treestone: thx ... where can i find the docs you are talking about ? |
| 12:23.29 | [sumo] | pentium 2 |
| 12:23.35 | k-god | [sumo]: 686 |
| 12:23.39 | [sumo] | ok |
| 12:23.39 | mosty | nuataro: because most of what you need is on the first cd. and you don't even need all that. a netinstall is the fastest way to install |
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| 12:23.59 | k-god | [sumo]: Everything Pentium and under is 386. AMD is K<number> |
| 12:24.00 | arapax | Noid: wait i have a better idea to do that |
| 12:24.03 | Nuataro | kk |
| 12:24.09 | [sumo] | hmm |
| 12:24.14 | [sumo] | so i need the image, headers and smp? |
| 12:24.27 | [sumo] | is there a specific order ? |
| 12:24.34 | mosty | -smp is a kernel image. you don't need that to compile |
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| 12:24.52 | cylex | got a question: my mouse works with gpm and /dev/psaux in konsole very well... but in x, with /dev/psaux nothing works.... what could be the big deal? |
| 12:24.55 | treestone | thomsen: Google around, look in journals, whatever. As everybody else does. |
| 12:25.06 | [sumo] | so what do i start with |
| 12:25.23 | jm_ | cylex: don't use /dev/psaux with gpm and X at the same time - let gpm repeat to X and use /dev/gpmdata |
| 12:25.23 | treestone | thomsen: It all depends on what you know and don't know, there's no docu that fits all. |
| 12:25.33 | mosty | sumo, are you compiling a kernel or just installing a precompiled one? |
| 12:25.42 | Noid | cylex: or use /dev/input/mice |
| 12:25.43 | yo2lux | gnome not start or start with delay when internet connection enabled on my pc, i have only one line in resolv.conf : nameserver ip |
| 12:25.48 | [sumo] | precompiled i assume? |
| 12:25.48 | yo2lux | anyone help me ? |
| 12:26.01 | Lot-Ionan | sed -n '/From/ p' file.txt How can I print in a file the output? |
| 12:26.03 | PerfDave | arapax: Isn't a low ID in eMule a *good* thing? |
| 12:26.09 | mosty | sumo: then just get the kernel-image package |
| 12:26.12 | cylex | /dev/input/mice doesnt work, even when i load the necesarry modules |
| 12:26.13 | Lot-Ionan | sed -n '/From/ p' file.txt | >> file.txt don't go! :( |
| 12:26.16 | Lot-Ionan | thanks |
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| 12:26.44 | thomsen | i see ... thanx :-) @ treestone |
| 12:26.45 | thomas_adam | Lot-Ionan: don't pipe it |
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| 12:27.00 | yo2lux | i come from openbsd i don't know much about debian, i need little help. I have a problem with gnome start when internet connection work on my pc, i think the problem is not my /etc/hosts |
| 12:27.00 | g4lt | Lot-Ionan >> file appends, it doesn't replace |
| 12:27.02 | cylex | and /dev/gpmdata makes strange movements (the mouse) |
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| 12:27.06 | jm_ | cylex: /dev/input/mice is only for 2.6 kernels if you have PS/2 mouse |
| 12:27.09 | Lot-Ionan | thomas_adam: Ok... |
| 12:27.12 | yo2lux | when DNS enabled in /etc/resolv.conf i have this problem |
| 12:27.13 | jm_ | then it's wrong protocol |
| 12:27.15 | cylex | oh no i got kernel 2.4.26 |
| 12:27.21 | jm_ | cylex: then do what I said |
| 12:27.22 | ninja_ | thomsen: netfilter.org |
| 12:27.23 | greycat | yo2lux: what *is* the problem? |
| 12:27.25 | thomas_adam | Lot-Ionan: just 'sed ... >> ./file |
| 12:27.41 | paperdog | i just got a new hdd, i have debian installed on /dev/hda1 , how can I move that partition to the new disk? |
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| 12:27.53 | g4lt | paperdog dd |
| 12:27.57 | thomas_adam | paperdog: cfdisk |
| 12:28.01 | Lot-Ionan | thomas_adam: Thank you very much!!! |
| 12:28.07 | thomsen | thx @ ninja_ |
| 12:28.07 | arapax | PerfDave: no low id isn't a good thing |
| 12:28.08 | g4lt | fucking A, slashdot is slashdotted |
| 12:28.09 | cylex | i'll try gpmdata.. but i did before and that looked strange becaus the mouse didnt move normal |
| 12:28.10 | thomas_adam | Lot-Ionan: that's ok!!!!!!!! |
| 12:28.13 | yo2lux | i have an 'eth0' card this card receive the internet from gateway , this card have a static inside IP "192.168.10.30" a gateway and use my DNS from ISP |
| 12:28.22 | paperdog | g4lt thomas_adam thanks |
| 12:28.24 | yo2lux | when DNS not activated in /etc/resolv.conf, gnome start ok |
| 12:28.27 | jm_ | you used wrong settings for X probably, gpmdata works fine |
| 12:28.37 | yo2lux | when i write in /etc/resolv.conf , nameserver 62.231.84.1 and i reboot debain |
| 12:28.40 | yo2lux | gnome not start |
| 12:28.59 | cylex | and why does /dev/psaux not work in x, when i remove gpm? |
| 12:29.01 | thomas_adam | Lot-Ionan: English, and please, don't /msg me. |
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| 12:29.10 | thomas_adam | Lot-Ionan: /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 12:29.26 | paperdog | yo2lux: gnome needs to know your local ip ... maybe see /etc/hosts and write "hostname 127.0.0.1" in it |
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| 12:29.27 | jm_ | cylex: because you screwed up with something |
| 12:29.28 | treestone | g4lt: Yeah, I've had 503 and other problems with slashdot the last couple of days |
| 12:29.36 | cylex | :-( |
| 12:29.42 | greycat | paperdog: you mean "127.0.0.1 hostname" |
| 12:29.44 | cylex | i'll try gpmdata again, thx anyway |
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| 12:29.55 | paperdog | greycat whatever :)))) |
| 12:29.58 | greycat | yo2lux: and what error did it give? |
| 12:29.58 | yo2lux | paperdog i have this line in /etc/hosts : 127.0.0.1 localhost home |
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| 12:30.05 | Phated | cylex: You have a very odd problem, since /dev/psaux works fine for me in X. I use gpm too. |
| 12:30.07 | yo2lux | when home removed gnome send me errors |
| 12:30.16 | EvilSeed | hey how do I mount a usb thumbdrive ? |
| 12:30.22 | c0ywulff | are there any mutil thread download program? |
| 12:30.29 | xsdg | EvilSeed: just like any other mass-storage device |
| 12:30.29 | greycat | yo2lux: then don't remove home. |
| 12:30.30 | jm_ | yes there are |
| 12:30.40 | EvilSeed | xsdg im new to linux so I need to be told how heh |
| 12:30.40 | yo2lux | no errors, when internet connection enabled gnome wait, and possible start after 30 min :( |
| 12:30.41 | paperdog | c0ywulff: for linux no |
| 12:30.43 | yo2lux | with big big delays |
| 12:30.43 | cylex | Phated, yes it's strange, there've never been any problems |
| 12:30.50 | xsdg | EvilSeed: what do you know how to mount? |
| 12:30.54 | Phated | cylex: Hm, what have you changed recently, then? |
| 12:31.00 | c0ywulff | paperdog: for windows |
| 12:31.02 | paperdog | c0ywulff: and there are no fxp capable ftp clients for x :) |
| 12:31.16 | jm_ | paperdog: bollocks |
| 12:31.16 | gridline | yo2lux, what happens if you query the dns while online? |
| 12:31.36 | EvilSeed | xsdg mount command but I cant find my usb drive in /dev |
| 12:31.37 | c0ywulff | are there any FREE mutil thread download program for windows? paperdog |
| 12:31.47 | paperdog | c0ywulff: don't know/don't care |
| 12:31.47 | bob2 | c0ywulff: go away |
| 12:31.47 | treestone | EvilSeed: If you have the proper usb modules loaded, then the device will look as a scsi drive, i.e. 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt' may work. Run the 'dmesg' command after putting in the device first, to see if it recognizes the device (if not, then you're probably missing a usb driver or two) |
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| 12:32.04 | jm_ | that was easy ;) |
| 12:32.07 | EvilSeed | ok thanks tree! |
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| 12:32.37 | cylex | Phated, much ^^ i tried to change many in Xfree86 config, to /dev/psaux, to /dev/mouse, to /dev/gpmdata... |
| 12:32.53 | EvilSeed | USB Mass Storage device found at 2 soo thats /dev/sda2 ? |
| 12:33.00 | Phated | cylex: Hmmm. |
| 12:33.10 | cylex | i'll go and try again.... this cant be so hard, i got nvidia running and that was harder then configuring a mouse :-| |
| 12:33.10 | jm_ | cylex: device is not the only setting in there, there's also Protocol, equally important |
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| 12:33.46 | cylex | jm_, everything worked yet with default settings, IMPS/2 worked |
| 12:34.13 | jm_ | cylex: I'm confused - why are you changing things if they worked ? |
| 12:34.19 | xsdg | EvilSeed: it should mention the device name "sda1" or "sda2", etc |
| 12:34.25 | cylex | on another pc or earlier |
| 12:34.28 | Nuataro | Couldn't find this in the FAQ: Im downloading a net install is it going to be graphic or text? |
| 12:34.52 | EvilSeed | sdb1 |
| 12:34.53 | cylex | jm_, i wouldnt change things that work ^^ but i know the mouse worked before on another machine, with these settings |
| 12:34.53 | [sumo] | do i need to install a bootloader before the kernel? |
| 12:34.57 | mosty | nuataro: text/menu based |
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| 12:35.06 | jm_ | cylex: well another PC is different story, run gpmconfig, tell it to repeat in mode ms3, then use /dev/gpmdata in X with protocol IntelliMouse |
| 12:35.07 | EvilSeed | i tried to access it but it said access denied to /mnt |
| 12:35.08 | treestone | EvilSeed: You should (I think) also see an sda: message in dmesg if the scsi layer is loaded (if not, then try modprobe sd_mod (IIRC)) |
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| 12:35.21 | cylex | [sumo], first install the kernel, copy bzImage and System.map, then configure the bootloader and exec it |
| 12:35.36 | jm_ | cylex: and /dev/psaux with imps2 for gpm (or ps2 if it has no wheel) |
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| 12:35.43 | [sumo] | it says my /boot is ro |
| 12:35.44 | EvilSeed | treestone if i mount a device as root no other user can use it right? |
| 12:36.01 | marketing | does a default install of debian's bind set it up as a caching-only nameserver? |
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| 12:36.02 | cylex | jm_, yes this works for gpm, but not for x, even when i remove gpm |
| 12:36.05 | jkkuiyi | how do i check which application/service is running on my port 80? i got this error in apache log |
| 12:36.06 | EvilSeed | okay how do I unmount from command line. |
| 12:36.06 | jkkuiyi | [Tue Aug 3 04:22:10 2004] [crit] (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to port 80 |
| 12:36.22 | marketing | it says so but it doesnt work -- is there something else to install? |
| 12:36.26 | mosty | jkkuiyi, it's probably another apache process |
| 12:36.31 | jm_ | cylex: well it obviously won't work for X if it's told to use /dev/gpmdata and gpm is not running |
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| 12:36.51 | greycat | "Address already in use" is one of those self-explanatory messages. |
| 12:36.53 | cylex | ... but i put /dev/psaux in the xfree86 config file |
| 12:36.59 | treestone | EvilSeed: That's right. But you can however also mount it with -o umask=000 for example |
| 12:37.02 | jm_ | then you specified wrong protocol for it |
| 12:37.14 | cylex | no, same as gpm |
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| 12:37.16 | EvilSeed | yeah tree how do I unmount a device immah mount it as a reg usr |
| 12:37.20 | bob2 | marketing: by default it runs as a cache |
| 12:37.20 | irc_ | hello! |
| 12:37.23 | irc_ | if i distribute my own written perl scripts under the gpl, and i've put copyright message in it like: 'copyright 2004 my name' -> is anyone allowed to remove this copyright message? |
| 12:37.25 | cylex | IMPS/2 |
| 12:37.27 | bob2 | is "immah" a word? |
| 12:37.31 | bob2 | irc_: no |
| 12:37.32 | treestone | EvilSeed: umount /mnt |
| 12:37.35 | cafuego | whooooooa |
| 12:37.41 | irc_ | bob2: is that written in the GPL ? |
| 12:37.43 | bob2 | cafuego: howdy |
| 12:37.48 | bob2 | irc_: it's part of copyright law |
| 12:37.50 | irc_ | great! |
| 12:37.51 | jm_ | cyles;looks OK if mouse is really ImPS/2 compatible |
| 12:37.54 | cafuego | bob2: mornin' guv'nah |
| 12:37.54 | cylex | bob2, lol in german "immer" = "always" |
| 12:37.57 | jkkuiyi | greycat: the explanation i need is to how would i be able to know if what service/application is hooking port80, i ps -aux it, apache is still there but it isnt running, no pid file. |
| 12:37.57 | irc_ | thankz |
| 12:37.59 | Phated | bob2: In some circles, immah -is- a word. |
| 12:38.06 | Lot-Ionan | It doesn't: sed -n '/<title> || <link>/p' news.rdf ... why? ( And how can I replace <link ... with <a href="$link conetent" ...) ??? Thank you very much |
| 12:38.10 | bob2 | Phated: outside idiot circles? |
| 12:38.11 | Phated | bob2: Apparently, in cafuego's circles. |
| 12:38.14 | cylex | jm_, yes it MUST work... but hell it doesnt |
| 12:38.17 | fatal_ | irc_: thats copyright law.... no need for gpl to include it.... you're not allowed to remove copyright _ever_. |
| 12:38.25 | Phated | bob2: Ahh, you didn't specify that value. |
| 12:38.27 | cafuego | Phated: immer means "always" in dutch too. |
| 12:38.28 | treestone | EvilSeed: To mount as another user, put something like this in /etc/fstab: /dev/sda1 /mnt vfat rw,user,noauto,umask=002 0 0 |
| 12:38.28 | marketing | bob2: how can i troubleshoot it? there is a rootserver list? |
| 12:38.34 | bob2 | marketing: #bind |
| 12:38.40 | marketing | ah thanks |
| 12:38.40 | bob2 | marketing: you're not running a root server. |
| 12:38.50 | marketing | I get "connection timed out" on all requests |
| 12:38.50 | jm_ | cylex: well some mice are broken and you have to use fups2 or fuimps2 with them (this is how gpm calls the protocol) |
| 12:38.50 | Phated | cafuego: :) |
| 12:38.50 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 12:38.51 | bob2 | cafuego: people drink a lot of tea. shockingly. |
| 12:39.00 | bob2 | marketing: check your network connection |
| 12:39.01 | SlayerXP | it always impresses me when people fail to get bind working under debian |
| 12:39.04 | treestone | EvilSeed: Then any user can mount it by putting in the usb device, then 'mount /mnt' (you should probably make some other directory etc.) |
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| 12:39.06 | cafuego | bob2: Stumbled across "white teabags" yet? |
| 12:39.12 | SlayerXP | given that debian does 99.5% of the hard work whilst installing |
| 12:39.14 | Phated | Teabgs are good, damnit. |
| 12:39.15 | bob2 | cafuego: no, just the regular kind |
| 12:39.27 | cylex | jm_, well i try gpm again, that has to work finally.... thx for help |
| 12:39.30 | EvilSeed | tree ur -o command r0x0rs |
| 12:39.32 | cafuego | Phated: Not when they have BUILT-IN MILK! That's just WRONG. |
| 12:39.33 | bob2 | cafuego: oh, and some sort of "cream" people put in their coffee |
| 12:39.37 | jm_ | cylex: yeah, /msg dpkg gpm+x |
| 12:39.45 | bob2 | cafuego: tho it seems to be some sort of fetid goat cheese derivative |
| 12:39.54 | cafuego | bob2: feta? |
| 12:39.59 | cafuego | bob2: In their tea? |
| 12:40.01 | Phated | cafuego: Ewwwww. |
| 12:40.15 | bob2 | cafuego: id != a |
| 12:40.15 | cafuego | !lart rounding errors |
| 12:40.22 | marketing | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:40.38 | xsdg | cafuego: hey; that's a precision breakthrough! |
| 12:40.38 | g4lt | bob2 who does milk in coffee anyhow? ;P |
| 12:40.47 | cafuego | g4lt: They're discussing tea. |
| 12:40.49 | bob2 | g4lt: they won't put enough milk in my coffee |
| 12:40.57 | bob2 | cafuego: and they don't know what a "flat white" is |
| 12:40.59 | bob2 | idiotos. |
| 12:41.01 | greycat | marketing: #dns |
| 12:41.07 | cafuego | g4lt: And you should under no circumstance ever order coffee in the UK. |
| 12:41.12 | bob2 | g4lt: I'm a soft, womanly man. |
| 12:41.13 | Phated | bob2: What the heck's a flat white? |
| 12:41.21 | xsdg | tea? coffee? apple-juice all the way! |
| 12:41.35 | bob2 | Phated: espresso + some steamed milk |
| 12:41.35 | marketing | hmm I've always gotten it to work. dont know what debian's packaging of it is |
| 12:41.37 | bob2 | no froth |
| 12:41.42 | bob2 | marketing: the default works fine |
| 12:41.45 | [sumo] | do i want a sym link between /boot/initrd.img-ver to initrd.img?? |
| 12:41.45 | cafuego | g4lt: Same as in the US. You'll get watery shite that has about as much to do with coffee as water does with vodka. |
| 12:41.48 | g4lt | cafuego well, yeah, the only drink the english can't screw up is gin and tonic ;P |
| 12:41.48 | bob2 | marketing: once you set forwarders |
| 12:41.52 | gridline | cylex, try plain PS/2 google tell thet X and gpm recognize mice differently. |
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| 12:42.12 | cafuego | Phated: A neo-nazi after you run a truck over 'em |
| 12:42.13 | coachz | Can anyone explian to me what these kernel compile steps are accomplishing please? http://rafb.net/paste/results/ETwGaK12.html |
| 12:42.13 | g4lt | cafuego it depends: espresso comes close |
| 12:42.14 | gridline | unless the mouse is usb |
| 12:42.18 | marketing | it ought to work behind "firewall", no? say if youre running named on a private network |
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| 12:42.35 | bob2 | marketing: depends what sort of idiot setup said "firewall" |
| 12:42.35 | cafuego | g4lt: True, I have once has *one* passable espresso in new york. |
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| 12:42.46 | bob2 | marketing: as long as it forwards udp back and forth, you're fine |
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| 12:42.57 | g4lt | cafuego however, for daily use, I actually prefer percolated |
| 12:42.57 | cafuego | bob2: Note that a flat white doesn't have froth |
| 12:43.03 | Phated | cafuego: Haha! |
| 12:43.09 | cymcy | hello. |
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| 12:43.21 | bob2 | cafuego: yes, exactly |
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| 12:43.29 | bob2 | cafuego: so I end up getting "cappucino, no froth" |
| 12:43.35 | marketing | No, the thing is I can connect to a remote nameserver (outside firewall) from here with nslookup SERVER and talk to it |
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| 12:43.41 | cafuego | bob2: As opposed to an espresso with a dash old *cold* milk, which is a macchiato fredo. |
| 12:43.46 | bob2 | coachz: that does nothing useful |
| 12:43.47 | marketing | however I cant talk to localhost running named |
| 12:43.54 | cafuego | MACCHIATOS WITH FROTH ARE EVIL! |
| 12:43.58 | bob2 | marketing: check the local firewall |
| 12:43.59 | Phated | cafuego: bob2: g4lt: I'm surprised you guys don't use emacs... |
| 12:44.01 | bob2 | cafuego: affogato! |
| 12:44.01 | g4lt | cafuego espresso is so fucking hard to make at home, while all I have to do is throw the pot on the stove |
| 12:44.04 | bob2 | Phated: I do! |
| 12:44.06 | marketing | does debians named require that it accept incoming connections from outside? |
| 12:44.06 | Phated | cafuego: I like moccachinos, though. :) |
| 12:44.09 | cafuego | g4lt: hard? |
| 12:44.12 | marketing | Because it neednt |
| 12:44.14 | coachz | hmm |
| 12:44.15 | Phated | bob2: Ahhh, the coffemaking function too? |
| 12:44.17 | eye69 | marketing: No. |
| 12:44.17 | g4lt | cafuego okay, impossible |
| 12:44.20 | cafuego | g4lt: Put coffee in holder, tap, inert holder, push button. |
| 12:44.21 | bob2 | marketing: if you have a local firewall, I bet you fucked it up |
| 12:44.27 | bob2 | marketing: check incoming port 53/udp works |
| 12:44.29 | bob2 | and outgoing |
| 12:44.33 | marketing | well firewalls outside my hands |
| 12:44.34 | cafuego | bob2: Hmmm :-) |
| 12:44.40 | g4lt | cafuego that implies having a espresso maker, n'est pas? |
| 12:44.40 | marketing | why should IO check incoming???? |
| 12:44.44 | bob2 | Phated: coffe.el! |
| 12:44.44 | cafuego | bob2: I use a special blend for affogato, extra strong. |
| 12:44.45 | marketing | I dont WANT incoming |
| 12:44.54 | Phated | bob2: You actually use it? :) |
| 12:44.55 | marketing | oh you mean localhost , thats ok |
| 12:44.55 | bob2 | marketing: duh, localhost 53/udp |
| 12:45.03 | bob2 | yeah |
| 12:45.06 | cafuego | g4lt: Well yes, if you like coffee a lot, you have one of those, of course. |
| 12:45.09 | bob2 | and it has to get out on port 53 |
| 12:45.13 | bob2 | and allow the replies to come back |
| 12:45.21 | treestone | coachz: The first line cleans up left-over rubbish in the tree. The second copies .config from somewhere. The third line copies an old configuration file into the linux kernel source tree. The fourth line applies that config to the new kernel, so that you don't have to type it in manually. It will prompt you for new config variables though. |
| 12:45.27 | bob2 | Phated: well, I did, until the fire... |
| 12:45.30 | g4lt | cafuego I have a percolator. I'm a cheap bastard |
| 12:45.30 | bob2 | but we don't talk about that |
| 12:45.38 | Phated | bob2: *nods* |
| 12:45.46 | Phated | greycat: :) My apologies. |
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| 12:45.53 | greycat | Phated: not you... |
| 12:45.54 | marketing | I can connect to a remote nameserver (outside firewall) from here with nslookup SERVER and talk to it. I guess that means I pass that test |
| 12:45.54 | bob2 | greycat: it's not so bad |
| 12:45.55 | coachz | treestone, thanks |
| 12:45.58 | g4lt | greycat it took you this long to come to that conclusion? ;P |
| 12:46.09 | Phated | greycat: Ohhh, you mean marketing and crew? |
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| 12:46.17 | bob2 | greycat: exciting gordian knot-breaking, coming soon! |
| 12:46.22 | greycat | Phated: yes, user "marketing" is part of it. |
| 12:46.27 | cafuego | g4lt: I have 3 of them (drip filters), 2 on loan to other cheap bastards.. 2 stove-top espresso amchines, 2 plungers, one scary glass 70's percolator and one italian espresso machine. |
| 12:46.28 | g4lt | greycat BTW, Ian Clarke said that freenet may be fixed soon |
| 12:46.39 | marketing | hey, i'm not a user i'm a free man |
| 12:46.43 | greycat | g4lt: meanwhile /topic #freenet still says 5088 |
| 12:46.50 | g4lt | cafuego so presspot coffee is legal |
| 12:46.56 | Phated | greycat: Ahhhh... |
| 12:46.57 | cafuego | g4lt: weeeeelllll |
| 12:47.01 | Phated | marketing: Bah. |
| 12:47.06 | cafuego | g4lt: We use those for tea, usually ;-) |
| 12:47.22 | Phated | cafuego: *flying brows* |
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| 12:48.25 | cafuego | Phated: Noone? The cats are playing with them now that they're on the ground... |
| 12:48.37 | Jakes | Hi, I apologise about this being the wrong channel to ask this question however I thought i'd give it a shot nonetheless :) We have a bunch of mailboxes on a server that we need to bounce, now this is perfect with mutt, u open up the mailbox tagg all messages and bounce... problem is there are 90 mailboxes, so im wondering if we can somehow automate the process... since Im doing the bouncing interactively and not via scripting its kinda hard to script ;) any id |
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| 12:48.52 | Phated | The_Vulture: Danke. |
| 12:48.57 | The_Vulture | *nods* |
| 12:49.10 | Phated | Jakes: If you thought this was the wrong channel to ask it in... *hint* |
| 12:49.27 | cafuego | Jakes: cat mailbox* >> bigbox; mutt -f bigbox; tag all, bounce. |
| 12:49.35 | Jakes | phated, problem is the rest of the channels are clueless, and i know the debian boys generally know more than the rest ;) |
| 12:49.47 | Phated | Jakes: I object! |
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| 12:49.59 | Jakes | cafuego, thought of concatenating all to one mailbox, however u didnt think of one small problem, each mailbox needs to go to a seperate user ;) not one email address.. |
| 12:50.09 | cafuego | Jakes: Blaaaaah |
| 12:50.19 | cafuego | Jakes: Mebbe see if 'formail' will do what you need. |
| 12:50.44 | jm_ | Jakes: formail |
| 12:50.56 | jm_ | ahh too late |
| 12:51.02 | Jakes | as stated in my above question i think perhaps formail could do it.. but i am not sure how ;) |
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| 12:51.39 | greycat | Jakes: the "boys" don't know very much. |
| 12:51.44 | Jakes | Phated, so you're a geek chick eh? :) |
| 12:52.02 | Jakes | greycat, yeah seems so, thought i'd give it a shot anyway, dont worry ill carry on reading docs/man |
| 12:52.36 | marketing | greycat I've been using linux since 1994 |
| 12:52.45 | greycat | marketing: so what? |
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| 12:52.47 | marketing | And I dont like debian. DOnt like linux even |
| 12:52.48 | Phated | Jakes: Bah, sng's the only one allowed to say chick. |
| 12:52.55 | greycat | marketing: good-bye, then. |
| 12:53.06 | Phated | greycat: *nods* |
| 12:53.08 | marketing | No thanks to you for making it any better |
| 12:53.21 | Phated | marketing: Also, I would lke to say that your nick represents eveything Debian stands against. :) |
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| 12:53.34 | marketing | I mean dont kid yourself about making things better ok |
| 12:53.39 | Noid | hehehe |
| 12:53.54 | Jakes | he's from india what do u expect |
| 12:53.56 | Jakes | ;) |
| 12:54.06 | Enometh | ok theres my real nick |
| 12:54.09 | Phated | Jakes: Er, what? |
| 12:54.32 | Jakes | it was a joke, please dont all cry about it |
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| 12:54.58 | Enometh | ok |
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| 12:55.17 | SlayerXP | !kill people who make changes to a CVS tree and don't bother to commit their bloody changes |
| 12:55.22 | SlayerXP | thankyou. |
| 12:55.58 | Phated | SlayerXP: Nice. :) |
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| 12:57.48 | SlayerXP | Phated: the cvs commit logs tonight will show the message "HAHAHA! I'm commiting some else's changes. Will this work? Not a clue. COMMIT YOUR BLOODY CHANGES, OKAY?!?!?!" |
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| 12:58.12 | Phated | SlayerXP: How very - emphatic. |
| 12:58.15 | xsdg | dpkg: info php4 sarge |
| 12:58.20 | dpkg | php4: (A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.4-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 1609 kB, Installed size: 3196 kB |
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| 12:58.36 | gridline | Jakes: Odd idea, but since it's pretty basic, you could just define a single key to do the tagging, bouncing and quit mutt. Then you'd only have to run it on the 90 mailboxes and press the key 90 times. Ungly, but quick |
| 12:58.37 | directhex | Phated uses Microsoft Visual SourceSafe? |
| 12:58.48 | Phated | directhex: Eh? |
| 12:58.55 | directhex | * Phated does not use CVS. :| |
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| 12:59.17 | greycat | maybe she's an archer |
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| 12:59.24 | nailbiter | directhex: he's assuming you're a software developer who favours a different version control tool. :) |
| 12:59.24 | vanguard | Hello ! |
| 12:59.27 | jm_ | or maybe she uses clearcase ;) |
| 12:59.28 | greycat | or a subversive |
| 12:59.30 | peterS | directhex: I'd bet against her use of any VC |
| 12:59.31 | nailbiter | Phated: he's assuming you're a software developer who favours a different version control tool. :) |
| 12:59.34 | gridline | bbl |
| 12:59.36 | Phated | directhex: Amendment: s/does not/does not know how to/ |
| 12:59.37 | Jakes | gridline, hmm.. not a bad idea i suppose :) thanks.. ill leave that as my last resort, i'd rather learn formail quick.. but thank you very much :) |
| 12:59.43 | nailbiter | directhex: oops .. wrong guy. :) |
| 12:59.49 | Phated | nailbiter: Bah. |
| 12:59.57 | vanguard | Does anybody know, if there is a bug in the newest xfree ??? |
| 13:00.02 | peterS | vanguard: yes, there is |
| 13:00.04 | greycat | vanguard: no !!! |
| 13:00.09 | directhex | vanguard, many. xfree sucks. |
| 13:00.11 | peterS | vanguard: finding and reporting of the bug is left as an exercise to the reader |
| 13:00.13 | greycat | vanguard: nobody in the whole world knows anything !!! |
| 13:00.13 | g4lt | vanguard probably, given the size of it |
| 13:00.17 | vanguard | I cannot set the keyboard well. |
| 13:00.38 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 13:00.38 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY JESUS CRY! |
| 13:00.43 | vanguard | There is no report about this , yet. |
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| 13:01.04 | coachz | Treestone, regarding those lines (http://rafb.net/paste/results/ETwGaK12.html), what should I have if I want to preserve the current kernel settings and run "make menuconfig" for new settings? |
| 13:01.04 | vanguard | But in the past it worked. |
| 13:01.05 | Noid | every time you speak with vagueness, god kills a kitten |
| 13:01.11 | greycat | <newbie1> is there a bug in x? can anyone help me with x? |
| 13:01.25 | vanguard | greycat: No , sry, I am no newbie. |
| 13:01.42 | greycat | <newbie2> I'm trying to use x in sid (4.3.0-dfsg1.3.14159) and when I configure the keyboard, my country isn't listed. |
| 13:01.46 | treestone | coachz: make oldconfig first (with the old .config in place), then you can run make menuconfig and do your changes. |
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| 13:01.57 | greycat | Which newbie gets answered, and which gets slammed? |
| 13:02.06 | vanguard | But it seeems, that just whatever keyboard I set in XF86Config-4, it doesn t habve en effect. |
| 13:02.13 | coachz | treestone, do i run that in my new kernel src dir? |
| 13:02.15 | vanguard | Any clue ??? |
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| 13:02.16 | greycat | vanguard: /msg dpkg set up x |
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| 13:02.23 | SnuS | Hello. |
| 13:02.24 | SnuS | root@switch:~# ssh 81.196.124.x | Read from socket failed: Connection reset by peer |
| 13:02.26 | Noid | slam the second one, tell him to change country! be random! |
| 13:02.27 | SnuS | what could cause that error ? |
| 13:02.41 | vanguard | greycat: I did ! But no changes ! |
| 13:02.45 | The_Vulture | SnuS: the peer (the other end of the connection) resetting the connection.. |
| 13:02.46 | greycat | !tell vanguard about smart questions |
| 13:02.50 | coachz | so i would copy /boot/config-2.4.18-bf2.4 ? |
| 13:02.51 | [sumo] | k-god, you still there? |
| 13:02.53 | treestone | coachz: You will still see every one of the huge amount of variables, but those others will already have been set to the "old" value (by way of make oldconfig). And yes, in the new kernel src dir (after copying your .config from the old one, or maybe from /boot) |
| 13:02.59 | SnuS | The_Vulture I understand that - but why would it ? |
| 13:02.59 | The_Vulture | lots of reasons for connections to go bad, something in the middle might be canning it |
| 13:03.06 | nailbiter | SnuS: check /var/log/syslog (or /var/log/auth.log) first .. |
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| 13:03.12 | g4lt | SnuS authentication fqailure, sshd not running, you not holding your tongue in the right place... |
| 13:03.19 | vanguard | So, I suppose it is a bug. |
| 13:03.22 | The_Vulture | SnuS: got an invalid sequence number.. etc.. |
| 13:03.33 | coachz | so this line seems backwards then cp .config /boot/config-2.4.26 |
| 13:03.50 | SnuS | problem is this is remote - it worked locally, colocated the machine, changed ips, and now it stopped working |
| 13:03.56 | k-god | [sumo]: Sort of. |
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| 13:04.05 | k-god | [sumo]: For low values of "there" |
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| 13:04.14 | [sumo] | k-god: i installed kernal image, and installed grub |
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| 13:04.18 | nailbiter | coachz: yes, it's backwards. that would clobber the config file for your running kernel. |
| 13:04.18 | SnuS | nailbiter I dont get asked to auth |
| 13:04.19 | thomas_adam | !kernal |
| 13:04.19 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 13:04.19 | [sumo] | how do i set them up properl;y |
| 13:04.25 | SnuS | it dies at debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent |
| 13:04.28 | [sumo] | bah |
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| 13:04.42 | treestone | coachz: Yes, that's for installing (by hand) a newly-compiled kernel into the /boot directory), or to be more correct, to copy the corresponding .config for that newly-installed kernel (which is a good idea) |
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| 13:04.48 | nailbiter | SnuS: fine. you've got to find out why the ssh server is dropping your connection. your first port of call would be the syslog on the ssh server. |
| 13:05.03 | greycat | !debug sshd |
| 13:05.03 | dpkg | To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. |
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| 13:06.04 | k-god | [sumo]: What's your HD? You mentioned /dev/hdb. Is there an hda? |
| 13:06.15 | [sumo] | nope |
| 13:06.23 | [sumo] | single hdd |
| 13:06.42 | vanguard | O.k., I think nobody else remarked this by now. |
| 13:07.06 | coachz | Does this look more appropriate? make mrproper cp /boot/config-2.4.18-bf2.4 /root/src/linux-2.6.7/.config cp /root/src/linux-2.6.7/.config /boot/config-2.6.7 make oldconfig |
| 13:07.11 | Phated | [sumo]: A single HDD is -always- referred to as /dev/hda. |
| 13:07.16 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hey. |
| 13:07.22 | g4lt | vanguard probably because most of us have given up on you asking a question that can be answered |
| 13:07.22 | [sumo] | i figured that |
| 13:07.24 | greycat | coachz: huh?? |
| 13:07.34 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: hey |
| 13:07.36 | [sumo] | k-god: i';m not sure but hda might be the knoppix virtual drive |
| 13:07.39 | greycat | coachz: "make oldconfig" reads .config from $PWD and just asks you questions that haven't been answered yet. |
| 13:07.40 | coachz | greycat, compiling kernel class for me ;-) |
| 13:07.42 | g4lt | coachz RTFS |
| 13:07.57 | coachz | S ? |
| 13:07.57 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: All good? :) |
| 13:08.06 | g4lt | use the source, luke |
| 13:08.13 | coachz | hehe |
| 13:08.15 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yup. How about you? |
| 13:08.16 | SnuS | does debian telnet disallow root login by default ? |
| 13:08.20 | vanguard | No problem. I will go on testing. Maybe it is my fault. |
| 13:08.30 | nailbiter | coachz: '/boot/config-2.4.18-bf2.4 /root/src/linux-2.6.7/.config' is really not a good idea. |
| 13:08.31 | g4lt | SnuS yes, and thsat's telnetD |
| 13:08.33 | greycat | SnuS: you mean telnetd? Who knows? Who the hell uses telnetd? |
| 13:08.48 | coachz | nailbiter, won't that let me use my current config for current settings ? |
| 13:08.48 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Same deal, except was just called a chick. Heh. :| |
| 13:09.03 | SnuS | greycat I will, for about 5 minutes. ssh wont work, and I need a way to debug. |
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| 13:09.11 | g4lt | greycat I'll tell you what, you compile ssh for MAI BossVX, and I'll not od it ;P |
| 13:09.25 | nailbiter | coachz: the 2.6.7 kernel is very different; you won't be able to recycle and reuse most of the 2.4.18 configuration choices for it. |
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| 13:09.33 | SnuS | g4lt thank you |
| 13:09.43 | nailbiter | coachz: look -- if you just want to get up and running with a 2.6.7 kernel, i'd suggest you install a precompiled debian kernel package. |
| 13:09.48 | coachz | ok, lets forget copiling for now, can i use apt-get to install the new kernel and the modules like smbfs ? |
| 13:09.59 | jeanpoldeux | coachz: do that. |
| 13:10.00 | k-god | [sumo]: Not unless you've swapped your CD and hard drives. Usually it's hda == 1st IDE master (primary HD), hdb == 1st slave, hdc == 2nd master, hdd == 2nd slave. |
| 13:10.06 | greycat | coachz: I'll also advise you that when I attempted to use config-2.4.18-bf2.4 for ANY upstream 2.4.x kernel, it failed. Whimperingly. Every time. |
| 13:10.11 | nailbiter | coachz: do a 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6' to see which versions you can install. |
| 13:10.13 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I take it the contex was not good. So did you get those oggs? |
| 13:10.33 | greycat | coachz: you'll be a lot better off it you just start from scratch, until Linus pulls his head out of his ass, uses an OpenBSD system for a month, and learns HOW A KERNEL SHOULD BE CONFIGURED. |
| 13:10.35 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: NO, the context was OK, but I object to chick. ;) And yes, the oggs are awesome. |
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| 13:10.38 | [sumo] | k-god: thats possible |
| 13:11.25 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: very good. :) not the chick thing though :| |
| 13:11.29 | k-god | [sumo]: 'dmesg' after booting should sort it out for you. |
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| 13:11.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I object to chick from people I've barely met. :) |
| 13:12.03 | [sumo] | k-god: whats there to sort out, and if i reboot, wont my system die horribly without a bootloader or kernel properly setup |
| 13:12.18 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: and that is what I meant by context. :) |
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| 13:12.27 | ninja_ | !geek chick |
| 13:12.27 | dpkg | i guess geek chick is see linux chick. Kick ass UNIX loving, non AOL using female, that everyone knows they want. But, the mythical geek Chix0r doesn't exist |
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| 13:12.38 | scarynetworkguy | !tell [sumo] about uyh |
| 13:12.44 | greycat | !factinfo geek chick |
| 13:12.44 | dpkg | geek chick -- created by unknown_lamer_ <unknown_la@client196-127-144.bellatlantic.net> at Thu Dec 14 22:08:58 2000 (1327 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by ninja_, 17s ago. |
| 13:12.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I use context as in the sentence that it was used in, not the situation, though I suppose it applies. |
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| 13:12.53 | greycat | known_lamer. |
| 13:12.53 | helix | go figure |
| 13:12.56 | ninja_ | hehe |
| 13:13.05 | helix | !linux chick |
| 13:13.06 | dpkg | [linux chick] a George Michael-looking, kernel-loving beauty. or users angel and addiction. ask me about them. user Tahara_Lap, or http://www.fazed.net/humor/images/linux.jpg and http://www.fazed.net/humor/images/linuxchick.jpg |
| 13:13.16 | ASCIIGirl | hi all :) |
| 13:13.24 | helix | ASCIIGirl: oi |
| 13:13.29 | greycat | dpkg, geek chick =~ s/exist/exist. <-- This is why young male geeks don't get laid./ |
| 13:13.29 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 13:13.30 | k-god | [sumo]: Well. 'dmesg' now might. |
| 13:13.38 | ASCIIGirl | hi girrrrrrrrrl..how are you? :) |
| 13:13.41 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yup whatever. Should only be used to people you have a pretty tight relationship with and *very* rarely even then |
| 13:13.46 | k-god | [sumo]: ...and by sort out, I mean: give you a foggy idea of wot's wwot. |
| 13:13.49 | helix | ASCIIGirl: bien.. hey, do you have any packages or anything yet? |
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| 13:13.57 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeppers. :) |
| 13:14.02 | samuel | sup all |
| 13:14.11 | ASCIIGirl | my package got finally uploaded on friday :) Im a mantainer now... |
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| 13:14.29 | directhex | helix, four-oh-four on the humorous images. factoid needs tweakage |
| 13:14.33 | [sumo] | k-god: there isnt anything useful there regarding the cdrom/hdd |
| 13:14.36 | greycat | ASCIIGirl: which package? |
| 13:14.39 | helix | directhex: I'd argue it should be deleted |
| 13:14.42 | ASCIIGirl | gtkgo... |
| 13:14.48 | samuel | anyone know what driver i am suposed to use for xfree if i have a voodoo card? voodoo 5500? |
| 13:14.54 | directhex | helix, that also. |
| 13:14.57 | ASCIIGirl | a silly simple-to-package game..which was orphaned |
| 13:14.58 | greycat | ASCIIGirl: ah, something that would melt my brain. Good job. |
| 13:14.59 | `coma | !damnsmall |
| 13:15.08 | Lennart | samuel: am guessink '3dfx' or 'voodoo' |
| 13:15.10 | peterS | directhex: those images were supplied by helix? |
| 13:15.10 | ASCIIGirl | thx greycat :) |
| 13:15.15 | k-god | [sumo]: You're looking for "hda" and "hdb" in output. |
| 13:15.20 | [sumo] | k-god: all hda and hdb references are scsi |
| 13:15.32 | directhex | peterS, helix summoned the factoid, making her the person to mention it to |
| 13:15.37 | Phated | SlayerXP: Yay. :D |
| 13:15.41 | peterS | ahh |
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| 13:15.58 | fatal_ | [sumo]: scsi is sd*, not hd*. |
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| 13:16.00 | k-god | [sumo]: grep 'hd[a-z]' /var/log/dmesg |
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| 13:16.12 | k-god | fatal_: Not if you're using SCSI emulo for a CDR. |
| 13:16.22 | samuel | Lennart: are those in separate packages or should they be in the list of the xserver? |
| 13:16.49 | Lennart | samuel: list... ehm. Just type that in the configfile ? |
| 13:16.49 | fatal_ | k-god: scd* or sg* then.. |
| 13:16.50 | [sumo] | hah no grep package, exit |
| 13:16.58 | scarynetworkguy | directhex: kind of ironic that eh? |
| 13:17.06 | greycat | [sumo]: no grep? no boot. |
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| 13:17.25 | [sumo] | k-god: no output |
| 13:17.27 | greycat | or if it does manage to boot, it'll be in a very weird state. |
| 13:17.49 | is0sceles | when setting up apache <Directory> directives how does <Directory /> affect <Directory /www/blah.com/test> ? |
| 13:17.59 | k-god | [sumo]: grep 'ide' /var/log/dmesg |
| 13:18.21 | [sumo] | k-god no output |
| 13:18.29 | k-god | [sumo]: Or 'grep '[hs]d[a-z]' /var/log/dmesg |
| 13:18.33 | greycat | is0sceles: either later ones override earlier ones, or more specific ones override more general ones. I'm not sure which. |
| 13:18.35 | is0sceles | i want to use Auth when setting up <Directory /www/blah.com/test> |
| 13:18.35 | k-god | [sumo]: wc -l /var/log/dmesg |
| 13:18.42 | greycat | is0sceles: hedge your bets by putting more general ones first ;-) |
| 13:18.45 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: so I was a bad boy last night :( |
| 13:18.49 | is0sceles | hmmm |
| 13:18.57 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Wooo, really? |
| 13:19.00 | [sumo] | k-god no output |
| 13:19.03 | directhex | hm, a historical factoid from 2001. |
| 13:19.09 | is0sceles | i think i swapped order and got the same results ... never asks for a password |
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| 13:19.10 | greycat | !factinfo curses.h |
| 13:19.10 | dpkg | curses.h -- created by greycat <wooledg@imadev.eeg.ccf.org> at Mon Jul 9 14:00:35 2001 (1120 days); it has been requested 26 times, last by greycat at Fri Mar 5 18:57:40 2004. |
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| 13:19.16 | greycat | there's another. |
| 13:19.24 | nailbiter | is0sceles: the latter should inherit directives from the former. |
| 13:19.24 | [sumo] | k-god: 0 var/log/dmesg |
| 13:19.38 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yea a buddy of mine brought me a salmon that had been out of the water for just shy os 2 hours. I must have ate half of it. |
| 13:19.47 | scarynetworkguy | s/os/of |
| 13:19.56 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: AWESOME. Fresh salmon, mmm. |
| 13:20.02 | [sumo] | k-god: /var/log/dmesg empty eh |
| 13:20.13 | nailbiter | is0sceles: i suggest you put your Auth directives in a <Location> block instead, and use a 'Require valid-user' |
| 13:20.20 | k-god | [sumo]: Would appear so. |
| 13:20.32 | k-god | [sumo]: dmesg > /var/log/dmesg |
| 13:20.38 | k-god | [sumo]: You're booted Knoppix still? |
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| 13:21.01 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yup :) but not so good for the whole wanting to be skinny thing. :( |
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| 13:21.12 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh, yeah... |
| 13:21.12 | [sumo] | done |
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| 13:21.22 | is0sceles | nailbiter: what's the difference ? |
| 13:21.31 | Bwl | Which package does the start-stop-daemon exist in? |
| 13:21.41 | [sumo] | hda is CDrom |
| 13:21.51 | k-god | [sumo]: Interesting. Who built your box? |
| 13:21.54 | alexb2283 | Bwl : dpkg -S start-stop-daemon |
| 13:21.56 | k-god | bbiaf |
| 13:22.04 | alexb2283 | rofl @ sumo / k-god |
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| 13:22.43 | nailbiter | is0sceles: well, you can add Auth* directives to <Directory> or <Location> blocks, but i'd opt for <Location> if you regularly change your aliases .. |
| 13:22.47 | Bwl | alexb2283: alexb2283: dpkg: /sbin/start-stop-daemon |
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| 13:22.54 | Bwl | alexb2283: So, dpkg has the package? :) |
| 13:22.59 | opticalman007 | is this a forward slash -> \ ? |
| 13:23.03 | greycat | opticalman007: no |
| 13:23.04 | peterS | opticalman007: no |
| 13:23.10 | alexb2283 | Bwl : so there. it's part of the 'dpkg' package :) |
| 13:23.21 | greycat | no, no, not the peering! |
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| 13:23.38 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: shriek and leap! |
| 13:23.42 | Bwl | alexb2283: Thanks, I didn't know of the -S param. That will help me in the future too, thanks. :) |
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| 13:23.53 | alexb2283 | Bwl : that was the point :) |
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| 13:24.10 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: the irony is that I'm actually reading the 4th ringworld book now (Ringworld's Children) |
| 13:24.22 | alexb2283 | i think it's better to give the way, rather than the solution |
| 13:24.29 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: :) is it any good? |
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| 13:24.43 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: better than the third, I think |
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| 13:24.50 | nailbiter | greycat: reading the ringworld novels felt more like wandering around in a physics museum than reading fiction. :) |
| 13:25.07 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: cool cause I made it through the 3rd but just. I'll have to check it out. |
| 13:25.26 | scarynetworkguy | nailbiter: yea and your point is? |
| 13:25.30 | nailbiter | scarynetworkguy: i heard they're plannig a ringworld movie. with chow yun-fat as louis wu .. |
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| 13:26.00 | Nuataro | Ive got a iso file at /home/x how can i burn it to the empty cd with cdrecord |
| 13:26.06 | scarynetworkguy | nailbiter: yea and I pray to Loki everyday that Niven (who already has a gank of cash) will come to his senses :( |
| 13:26.10 | nailbiter | scarynetworkguy: my point being that niven seems to be great at visualizing awesome solar system-sized toys, but horrible at threading a fun narrative through them .. :) |
| 13:26.17 | greycat | Nuataro: cdrecord device=whatever imagefile |
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| 13:26.47 | scarynetworkguy | nailbiter: no it was like a really fun trip through a physisc muesem with really cool chars :) |
| 13:26.57 | maroon5 | how do i change the size of the display size as the words are too small for me? |
| 13:27.13 | greycat | maroon5: most people would just use a bigger font. |
| 13:27.29 | directhex | scarynetworkguy, i don't think everyonr likes physics as much as you |
| 13:27.44 | greycat | directhex: then they can go read agatha christie or something :) |
| 13:27.55 | scarynetworkguy | directhex: no no they don't kind of sad really |
| 13:28.05 | nailbiter | scarynetworkguy: well, the characters were cool in the sense that superhero characters in the comics are cool. :) but he's not really that good at doing any sort of emotionally deep characterisation .. |
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| 13:28.27 | nailbiter | scarynetworkguy: they got to use some fanastic equipment, though. :) |
| 13:28.34 | maroon5 | greycat, oic, so adjust it accordingly, aint it a bit too troublesome, i wanna up the size of the general desktop |
| 13:28.56 | alexb2283 | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 13:29.02 | alexb2283 | i forget what the X.org package was |
| 13:29.08 | alexb2283 | maroon5 ^ |
| 13:29.10 | greycat | maroon5: your terminology is imprecise and therefore confusing. What resolution are you running now? What resolution do you want to run? |
| 13:29.14 | scarynetworkguy | nailbiter: You are talking to someone who has been madly in love with Tella Brown for decades. :) I'm only going to disagree with you here and it ain't even interesting for me to talk about |
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| 13:29.31 | maroon5 | greycat, i dun realli know, how do i check? |
| 13:29.36 | safrican | how can i install kde on unstable ? |
| 13:29.40 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: the Teela Brown character annoyed me... |
| 13:29.45 | andres | hello again can anyone recomend a printer for linux |
| 13:29.51 | greycat | maroon5: xdpyinfo, or read the config file... |
| 13:29.53 | alexb2283 | safrican the same way you would in woody ? |
| 13:29.54 | maroon5 | alexb2283, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root? |
| 13:30.07 | _rene_ | alexb2283: avoid GDI-printers |
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| 13:30.08 | nailbiter | greycat: she annoyed me too. :) |
| 13:30.15 | safrican | alexb2283: yes but i'm having some broken-packages .. so how can i fix it and install kde ? |
| 13:30.17 | _rene_ | alexb2283: besides that, you may want to look at linuxprinting.org |
| 13:30.19 | alexb2283 | maroon5 probably... if you want your changes written to the configuration files ;) |
| 13:30.19 | nailbiter | scarynetworkguy: teela? the lucky protector? |
| 13:30.28 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: I dunno she is flawed but still just awesome |
| 13:30.32 | alexb2283 | _rene_ : eh ? |
| 13:30.47 | _rene_ | err |
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| 13:30.52 | _rene_ | f** nick-completion |
| 13:30.58 | alexb2283 | safrican : how would i know which of your packages are broken ? |
| 13:31.04 | _rene_ | alexb2283: sorr |
| 13:31.18 | jharrison | anyone know what module RTL8101L uses? |
| 13:31.25 | safrican | alexb2283: it's the package `kamera` |
| 13:31.33 | alexb2283 | safrican : besides, i highly doubt your packages are broken... i'd guess it's dependencies :P |
| 13:31.36 | nailbiter | jharrison: if in doubt, install the 'discover' package (then run '/etc/init.d/discover start'). |
| 13:31.38 | _rene_ | safrican: then install the packages you want manzally |
| 13:31.39 | [sumo] | k-god? |
| 13:31.46 | greycat | kamera. that's so flipping kute I want to puce. |
| 13:31.47 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: but I'm glad to hear this one is pretty good. Cause Scatterbrain was pretty bad |
| 13:31.54 | _rene_ | safrican: and ignore the kde/kdegraphics metapackages |
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| 13:31.58 | nailbiter | jharrison: it'll try to match the device's pci id up against its module name in an internal table .. |
| 13:32.09 | alexb2283 | _rene_: no prob |
| 13:32.19 | safrican | _rene_: thanks yah |
| 13:32.22 | k-god | [sumo]? |
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| 13:32.31 | [sumo] | k-god, what should i do |
| 13:32.32 | jharrison | nailbiter: the kernel is loading 8139too but its not working |
| 13:32.32 | wishie | anyone else having troubles logging out of consoles lately ? |
| 13:32.37 | k-god | [sumo]: Panic. |
| 13:32.41 | [sumo] | k-god, why |
| 13:32.52 | greycat | wishie: state your problem, give details. |
| 13:32.57 | maroon5 | alexb2283, ok, i try it after i finish mi pizza |
| 13:32.58 | maroon5 | :) |
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| 13:33.23 | [sumo] | k-god, i apt installed kernel-image and grub, i want to configure them so i can have the system bootable.. |
| 13:33.31 | nailbiter | jharrison: not working? interface doesn't come up? or you get lots of carrier errors? |
| 13:33.31 | alexb2283 | [sumo] because that is some screwed up configuration |
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| 13:33.42 | wishie | when logging out of my tty's, the only one to work properly is tty1..the rest either take between 1-2 minutes to logout, or they freeze, then respawn too quickly and get disabled.. |
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| 13:33.49 | jharrison | nailbiter: interface comes up but cant ping or anything |
| 13:33.50 | k-god | [sumo]: Install grub on your bootable device. Check your menu.lst file for sanity. |
| 13:33.52 | [sumo] | k-god, so? it should still be workable. |
| 13:33.53 | alexb2283 | [sumo] cdrom should be hdb, hdc or hdd, but definitely not hda, unless you have a SCSI system |
| 13:33.58 | greycat | wishie: in sid/sarge? or woody? |
| 13:34.02 | directhex | alexb2283, or sata |
| 13:34.02 | is0sceles | AllowOverride None only disables .htaccess files, correct? |
| 13:34.04 | jm_ | someone else complained about logout thing, check BTS or somesuch |
| 13:34.06 | wishie | tty1 works perfectly, the rest are borked. this has happened on all 3 pc's here... |
| 13:34.08 | [sumo] | k-god, i can change it over anyway? |
| 13:34.09 | wishie | greycat: sid |
| 13:34.14 | jharrison | nailbiter: for some reason it is not seen as eth0 either but rather eth1 |
| 13:34.15 | alexb2283 | directhex: correct, thx :) |
| 13:34.16 | is0sceles | It doesn't disable other Directory tags with auth |
| 13:34.21 | greycat | wishie: #224067 |
| 13:34.23 | k-god | [sumo]: Yeah, should work. |
| 13:34.28 | [sumo] | k-god, what should? |
| 13:34.29 | k-god | [sumo]: Change what over to what? |
| 13:34.45 | [sumo] | k-god, switch hdd over to hda and cdrom to hdb |
| 13:34.45 | nailbiter | jharrison: hm. so what's at 'eth0'? you've got a second card? or a virtual Ethernet interface like a firewire port? |
| 13:34.48 | jharrison | nailbiter: there is an intel pro 100 card in here that is seen as eth0 which is strange cause usually the builtin card would be eth0 and pci card would be eth1 |
| 13:34.57 | jharrison | nailbiter: 2 cards |
| 13:35.11 | jharrison | nailbiter: rtl8101l builtin and intel pro 100 pci |
| 13:35.20 | k-god | [sumo]: Yes, you can do that. |
| 13:35.24 | [sumo] | i got sshd running so i can paste output etc. |
| 13:35.25 | nailbiter | jharrison: ok. i'm not sure this'd work, but would you be able to eject the 8139too driver and try the '8139cp' one instead? |
| 13:35.28 | ycco | cat: /usr/share/doc/bind/README.Debian: No such file or directory |
| 13:35.30 | ycco | hmm |
| 13:35.35 | [sumo] | k-god, do i need to? |
| 13:35.36 | jharrison | nailbiter: ill try it |
| 13:35.45 | ycco | my named.conf said to read that file. |
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| 13:35.53 | greycat | ycco: cd there and ls. |
| 13:36.05 | timlarson_ | I am trying to install debian via debootstrap from a redhat AS 3.0 rescue cd (had trouble with debian boot floppies). Trouble is "ar" is missing from the rescue cd; what would be the best way to get ar on the system to be able to extract the debootstrap .deb? |
| 13:36.05 | alexb2283 | ycco it might be .gz'd, browse the dir first |
| 13:36.09 | ycco | oh... |
| 13:36.09 | scarynetworkguy | sometimes I'm dreaming.... |
| 13:36.09 | k-god | [sumo]: You'll probably want to boot Knoppix and sort out grub (chroot in, run 'grub-install; update-grub') after |
| 13:36.12 | ycco | it's gzipped |
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| 13:36.14 | ycco | sorry |
| 13:36.22 | nailbiter | jharrison: if the way the kernel assigns interface names annoys you, have a look at the 'ifrename' package. |
| 13:36.27 | ycco | we should edit named.conf accordingly then. |
| 13:36.28 | k-god | [sumo]: Likely not. Just that you've got a sort of odd configuration. |
| 13:36.31 | ycco | just an FYI |
| 13:36.38 | k-god | [sumo]: For the moment, leave it. |
| 13:36.52 | k-god | [sumo]: ...you may have to sort out things like jumper settings and we really don't want to go there. |
| 13:36.54 | samuel | Lennart: if you are interested its "tdfx" - the driver for voodoo cards |
| 13:37.09 | [sumo] | k-god, okay then, (although thats not a big deal) |
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| 13:37.14 | alexb2283 | err |
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| 13:37.24 | greycat | ycco: good freakin' luck getting documentation changes or config file documentation changes into Debian. |
| 13:37.31 | k-god | [sumo]: OTOH, if the box won't boot... I think it looks for bootable partition on 1st IDE device. And that's your CDROM. |
| 13:37.32 | directhex | !linux man pages |
| 13:37.32 | dpkg | linux man pages are utterly shit, and you can't fix them even if you try. For example, see http://bugs.debian.org/111578 |
| 13:37.33 | ycco | greycat: hehe |
| 13:37.39 | alexb2283 | has anyone ever tried printing to a hp laserjet on a windows active directory print server |
| 13:37.40 | alexb2283 | ? |
| 13:37.46 | k-god | [sumo]: So: try leaving it as is. If that doesn't work, change it. |
| 13:37.49 | alexb2283 | from linux that is |
| 13:37.50 | scarynetworkguy | !anyone |
| 13:37.50 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 13:37.53 | [sumo] | k-god, okay then. |
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| 13:38.27 | [sumo] | k-god, so all i have done is apt installed the goods.. i run grub install now? |
| 13:38.32 | scarynetworkguy | alexb2283: more detail please |
| 13:38.54 | nailbiter | timlarson_: ferry in a copy of ar (statically-linked perhaps) via floppy? :) |
| 13:39.16 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: so do you have a favorite cure song yet? |
| 13:39.21 | jm_ | alexb2283: smbclient can send jobs to shared printers |
| 13:39.27 | timlarson_ | nailbiter: yes, but from where? |
| 13:39.33 | alexb2283 | scarynetworkguy: mhm, i just realized that i have to set that up, myself. frankly i have a hp laserjet on a d-link print server, and one real printserver running win2kserver |
| 13:39.33 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Not sure, I like most of them. :) |
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| 13:39.49 | alexb2283 | that was one screwed up sentence |
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| 13:39.56 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :) very cool. Brag to thomas_adam about it. |
| 13:40.05 | nailbiter | timlarson_: you haven't another linux box nearby? hmm .. |
| 13:40.09 | andres | can anyone recomend a printer for linux debian please? |
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| 13:40.19 | Nosf3ratu | andres, Epson Epson Epson. |
| 13:40.21 | andres | the ones i have dont want to work with it |
| 13:40.24 | Nosf3ratu | Or, some HPs... |
| 13:40.26 | Nosf3ratu | No Canons. |
| 13:40.27 | alexb2283 | jm_ : what would the pipeline between... let's say for example OO.org and smbclient be ? |
| 13:40.28 | timlarson_ | nailbiter: I wish I did, but no. |
| 13:40.31 | andres | thank u nosfe |
| 13:40.36 | directhex | andres, linuxprinting.org i think. |
| 13:40.43 | andres | thanks 2 all |
| 13:40.45 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 13:40.45 | nailbiter | timlarson_: does the rescue enviroment include a copy of wget? and does that system have network access? |
| 13:40.49 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Friday I'm In Love. :) |
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| 13:40.57 | directhex | Nosf3ratu, it's a pain using a payware binary driver, but at least the printer isn't shit |
| 13:40.58 | timlarson_ | nailbiter: yes to both. |
| 13:40.58 | thomas_adam | Phated: Ugh. |
| 13:41.03 | Phated | thomas_adam: *brags* :) |
| 13:41.07 | k-god | [sumo]: Two items. |
| 13:41.07 | scarynetworkguy | alexb2283: wait one before you start over that cliff. Is the printer in question plugged into the back of PC? |
| 13:41.17 | k-god | [sumo]: One. I'm very tired, and about to leave for home. |
| 13:41.18 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: I just put your dvd in my bag :) |
| 13:41.23 | nailbiter | timlarson_: in that case, you could perhaps download a copy of the woody minimal netinstall iso, mount that via loopback, and then fish 'ar' (or even 'dpkg') out .. |
| 13:41.27 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Woooooh. :) |
| 13:41.29 | wishie | hmm, this getty bug is damn annoying |
| 13:41.34 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: sweeeeeeeeeeet |
| 13:41.36 | jm_ | alexb2283: CUPS |
| 13:41.38 | alexb2283 | scarynetworkguy : lol. it is connected to a d-link print server |
| 13:41.40 | k-god | [sumo]: Two: you're *really* going to have to learn how to read and follow directions that come w/ SW releases. |
| 13:41.42 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: that is a god one |
| 13:41.43 | Phated | wishie: Most bugs are like that - annoying. |
| 13:41.44 | jharrison | nailbiter: ok I got it. I had to remove the 8139cp, 8139too, e100, eepro100 modules and totally take down the network then modprobe 8139too first and bring up that device which was assigned eth0 and ping works and everything and then I modprobed eepro100 and it was brought up as eth1 |
| 13:41.47 | greycat | timlarson_: or use ftp to suck it off of another box. |
| 13:41.49 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yep. :) |
| 13:41.51 | timlarson_ | nailbiter: tnx, investigating that solution. |
| 13:41.52 | alexb2283 | scarynetworkguy which translates to tcp/ip ;) |
| 13:42.01 | nailbiter | jharrison: good god |
| 13:42.04 | scarynetworkguy | alexb2283: then just get the IP and print straight to it. |
| 13:42.05 | thomas_adam | Phated: You should at least have said 'love cats' was the song you liked. That was quite (in)famous. |
| 13:42.06 | jharrison | nailbiter: the kernel autosenses and loads a bunch of modules as boot time |
| 13:42.09 | [sumo] | k-god, all i need is for this thing to be bootable... how far are we. |
| 13:42.12 | alexb2283 | jm_ : okay that's enough info i believe, i'll look into it. thx :) |
| 13:42.17 | jharrison | nailbiter: how can I get only the module I want at boot time |
| 13:42.23 | scarynetworkguy | alexb2283: yea with a nick like mine I'v *never* done network printing. :) |
| 13:42.24 | alexb2283 | scarynetworkguy: d-link is weird |
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| 13:42.33 | Phated | thomas_adam: :) |
| 13:42.34 | jharrison | nailbiter: would listing them in /etc/modules work? |
| 13:42.38 | nailbiter | jharrison: uninstall 'discover', then put the module names (in the order of loading) in /etc/modules .. |
| 13:42.45 | k-god | [sumo]: I've already told you three times. |
| 13:42.52 | k-god | [sumo]: I'm out. |
| 13:42.52 | jharrison | nailbiter: discover is not installed |
| 13:42.58 | Nosf3ratu | directhex, what are you referring to? HP? |
| 13:42.59 | jharrison | nailbiter: checked already :) |
| 13:43.03 | Nosf3ratu | Who has binary drivers? |
| 13:43.04 | directhex | Nosf3ratu, canon |
| 13:43.11 | [sumo] | k-god: later then, kind of a waste if i dont get it working though. |
| 13:43.12 | jharrison | nailbiter: ill try the /etc/modules |
| 13:43.26 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: love cats should be at the top of anybody's list. I'm curious how she liked Killing an Arab what with never having read Camus |
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| 13:43.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I liked it, anyway. :| |
| 13:43.42 | directhex | Nosf3ratu, or more to the point, turboprint.de sell a sensible canon driver. i'd rather that than reduce myself to buying an epson |
| 13:43.42 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: hahahaha. |
| 13:43.44 | Nosf3ratu | directhex, oh...I didn't know they provided _any_ drivers...I just go by what linuxprinting.org tells me. |
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| 13:43.48 | nailbiter | jharrison: well, there's also 'hotplug', which also tries to autoload modules at boot time. |
| 13:43.54 | k-god | [sumo]: You're close. |
| 13:43.56 | scarynetworkguy | alexb2283: yea they are but they do have ips and you should be able to print to it and bypass winders |
| 13:43.59 | Nosf3ratu | directhex, well, that's true...canon's make high quality printers. |
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| 13:44.02 | SeBsZ | when i try to install php4, php-mcrypt and php-mysql i now dont get a dependency error. However, I get a message saying "Errors encountered while procession: php4-mcrypt, php4-mysql. Subprocess dpkg returned an error code (1)" |
| 13:44.19 | [sumo] | k-god, yeah close, but useless at this point. |
| 13:44.21 | Nosf3ratu | directhex, my Epson MFP CX6400 is very nice, though, I can even access the USB card on it and scan directly to it. |
| 13:44.21 | alexb2283 | scarynetworkguy : you suggest using cups as well i suppose ? |
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| 13:44.45 | jm_ | Samsung has CUPS drivers for their printers, I think it can even install CUPS for the cluebies ;) |
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| 13:45.00 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: lot's of people who hear that one for the first time and don't have the background assume the wrong things about it. so much so that on the cd there is verbage saying this song does not mean what you think it means |
| 13:45.03 | directhex | Nosf3ratu, turboprint's driver provides equivalent functionality & quality as in windows. i think it was worth the ten bucks or so it cost me. means i can keep my nice s300 |
| 13:45.07 | scarynetworkguy | alexb2283: for what? |
| 13:45.16 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: It sounds pretty good to me. |
| 13:45.19 | alexb2283 | scarynetworkguy: for printing directly onto those |
| 13:45.20 | andres | im heading to barnes & nobles right now whats the name of that linix book u guys recomended me the other day? |
| 13:45.21 | Nosf3ratu | directhex, that's cool |
| 13:45.22 | SkuZzY | hy @ll, i have a question when i try to install debian then come a message: Cannot load DOS ! Any key to retry.... Can help me someone pleaseeee |
| 13:45.34 | Nosf3ratu | "hy @all"? |
| 13:45.36 | maxim_ | modules aren't loaded on start-up, can anyone help me with it? |
| 13:45.39 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: as it does to any good hearted person. :) |
| 13:45.45 | greycat | Nosf3ratu: no, "hy @ll" |
| 13:45.46 | safrican | all my other packages have been updated except for KDE, it still shows 2.2.2 why's that ? |
| 13:45.50 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 13:45.51 | safrican | i did a dist-upgrade |
| 13:46.04 | andres | im heading to barnes & nobles right now whats the name of that linux book u guys recomended me the other day? |
| 13:46.09 | Nosf3ratu | greycat, OH...sure. |
| 13:46.13 | scarynetworkguy | alexb2283: whatever you like. I've been known to print using telnet. :) |
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| 13:46.19 | directhex | SkuZzY, place the CD drive before the hard drive in the bios boot order |
| 13:46.26 | js_ | does bf24 have support for promise controller cards? |
| 13:46.27 | Nosf3ratu | !tell maxim_ about module-init-tools |
| 13:46.34 | ycco | if I create db.IPADDR and db.DOMAIN and put them in /etc/bind and restart named will it automagically see them? |
| 13:46.51 | greycat | !config-2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 13:46.51 | dpkg | it has been said that config-2.4.18-bf2.4 is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/config-2.4.18-bf2.4, or http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/bf2.4/kernel-config |
| 13:46.52 | SkuZzY | directhex i have this |
| 13:46.53 | scarynetworkguy | andres: Running Linux Picture of a horse on the front |
| 13:47.19 | SkuZzY | cd drive first then hard drive |
| 13:47.22 | andres | scarynetworkguy: they have it there? |
| 13:47.24 | SkuZzY | :( |
| 13:47.27 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: The Love Cats is too... Happy. :| |
| 13:47.31 | andres | scarynetworkguy: r u in the us? |
| 13:47.40 | scarynetworkguy | andres: at your local bookstore? |
| 13:47.56 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yes it is. |
| 13:47.57 | maxim_ | Nosf3ratu:thanks, I'm already using it |
| 13:48.14 | Nosf3ratu | maxim_, be more specific regarding your error, then. |
| 13:48.18 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Bah for the happy-sounding songs. |
| 13:48.26 | scarynetworkguy | andres: if I parsed that right then yes yes I am. Thought for a minute you were writing perl |
| 13:48.27 | cef | ycco: you need entries in /etc/bind/named.conf (or related files) to point at the files |
| 13:48.33 | ycco | yah... |
| 13:48.35 | ycco | :) |
| 13:48.35 | Phated | greycat: Come on, smite me with something I can recognise. |
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| 13:48.43 | ycco | * ycco re-looks at named.conf |
| 13:48.48 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: :) |
| 13:48.56 | directhex | SkuZzY, then either your cd is shafted, or your pc sucks. do other things boot from cd? which debian version are you trying to boot from cd? |
| 13:48.58 | ycco | that was from another channel though hehe |
| 13:49.01 | ycco | tx cef |
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| 13:49.19 | maxim_ | Nosf3ratu:modules present in /etc/modules but not loaded at startup |
| 13:49.24 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: The B-52's are one of the most happy-sounding bands known to man |
| 13:49.35 | greycat | except for "Quiche Lorraine" |
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| 13:49.44 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: there is that |
| 13:49.45 | Phated | Ooo, quiche. |
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| 13:49.46 | henson_ | how do i fix E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 13:49.46 | henson_ | ? |
| 13:49.53 | greycat | henson_: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
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| 13:50.00 | greycat | Phated: quiche lorraine is a sad song. |
| 13:50.01 | cef | ycco: no probs.. only other thing to remember: when you change those files, you should 1. always increment the serial number in the SOA record, 2. tell bind to reload it's files ('/etc/init.d/bind reload') |
| 13:50.04 | g4lt | !tell henson_ about apt-mmap |
| 13:50.13 | Phated | greycat: Awesome pastry though, IIRC. |
| 13:50.22 | henson_ | thanks |
| 13:50.26 | ycco | cef: yup, I've managed DNS before... just never set it up from scratch |
| 13:50.31 | SkuZzY | directhex i dont know >:) |
| 13:50.45 | SkuZzY | i have it donloaded from www.linuxiso.org |
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| 13:51.18 | directhex | SkuZzY, so try downloading from debian.org instead |
| 13:52.22 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Was "Push" in that batch? |
| 13:52.31 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hm, dunno. Why> |
| 13:52.40 | alexb2283 | err |
| 13:52.52 | alexb2283 | what the heck is the package for the debian wallpapers ? |
| 13:52.55 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: that along with Faith which i know was not seems right up your alley |
| 13:52.56 | alexb2283 | i swear there was one |
| 13:53.05 | alexb2283 | _not_ the kde ones |
| 13:53.49 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Woo. |
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| 13:55.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: I don't believe they're in. |
| 13:55.09 | alexb2283 | mhm |
| 13:55.12 | alexb2283 | reboot time |
| 13:55.15 | alexb2283 | later :) |
| 13:55.22 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: nope I just checked the cds. I'll rip em tonight |
| 13:55.33 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yay, depressing songs. :) |
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| 13:55.51 | greycat | Phated: Concrete Blonde. "Tomorrow, Wendy". |
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| 13:56.07 | Phated | greycat: Thank you. :) |
| 13:56.07 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :) |
| 13:56.09 | SeBsZ | hello, i installed webmin on my debian server. When I try to access it from the server using localhost, it works. When i want to access it from a client in the LAN, i get a page not found error, and sometimes forbidden. Webmin is listening on secure https on port 10000 |
| 13:56.22 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: oh yea |
| 13:56.57 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: what do you use listening to music with? |
| 13:56.57 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 13:56.57 | The_Vulture | SeBsZ: did you read the docs and check the configs |
| 13:57.13 | The_Vulture | for good reason, it probably doesn't listen to anything but localhost by default |
| 13:57.13 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: ears :) |
| 13:57.15 | SeBsZ | The_Vulture, do you happen to know where the webmin configs are? |
| 13:57.18 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: :) |
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| 13:57.31 | The_Vulture | SeBsZ: /etc/<packagename> like everything in debian |
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| 13:57.45 | The_Vulture | and docs in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> |
| 13:57.48 | SeBsZ | The_Vulture, its not there /etc/webmin does not exist |
| 13:58.01 | The_Vulture | SeBsZ: then /etc/webmin.conf or something |
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| 13:58.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: ? |
| 13:58.14 | timlarson_ | nailbiter: tnx for the help. I eventually found a machine on the net and grabbed a copy of ar and libbfd, set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH, and it worked. |
| 13:58.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: play |
| 13:59.05 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: play? |
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| 13:59.19 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Play. |
| 13:59.23 | Phated | Errr, sox. |
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| 13:59.44 | maroon5 | can i apt-get opera like others? |
| 13:59.48 | scarynetworkguy | silly |
| 13:59.52 | greycat | maroon5: only from unofficial sources |
| 13:59.57 | Phated | Silly what? |
| 13:59.58 | greycat | maroon5: it's not in Debian for obvious reasons |
| 13:59.59 | The_Vulture | SeBsZ: the webmin package has lots of stuff in /etc/webmin, did you do something silly like install a non-debian package? |
| 14:00.00 | SeBsZ | The_Vulture, the config file says "allow: 127.0.0.1" what should i put there? I tried a "*" but it doesn't work |
| 14:00.16 | The_Vulture | SeBsZ: documentation is there to be read.. |
| 14:00.20 | greycat | !webmin |
| 14:00.20 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webadmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
| 14:00.29 | maroon5 | greycat, if i were to install it not by apt-get install how should i do that? |
| 14:00.42 | greycat | maroon5: the same way you would on ANY OTHER linux system. |
| 14:00.50 | greycat | maroon5: follow Opera.com's instructions. |
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| 14:01.02 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Silly what? |
| 14:01.11 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :) |
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| 14:01.16 | maxim_ | I have a set of modules , I can manually load them, and they do their job, but they aren't loaded at startup, although present in /etc/modules.I have modules-init-tools-udeb installed. |
| 14:01.18 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 14:01.26 | scarynetworkguy | hmmm doesn't look like sox can take beep/xmms plugins. |
| 14:02.17 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Meh, takes mp3/ogg. Good enough. |
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| 14:02.35 | Nosf3ratu | maxim_, and what about /etc/modules.conf? |
| 14:02.36 | SeBsZ | The_Vulture, ok, now it works. However, i don't see any tabs at the top, such as network etc. to configure something. Also, when i go to upgrade webmin i get something saying "module proc is not installed" |
| 14:02.41 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: pretty much |
| 14:02.45 | Nosf3ratu | maxim_, have you read the modules section in the debian policy? |
| 14:02.51 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye. :) |
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| 14:03.10 | lhs | hello |
| 14:03.13 | lhs | good morining |
| 14:03.37 | Nosf3ratu | hi lhs |
| 14:03.46 | ycco | cef: hmmm don't see a db.cache file on the system. |
| 14:03.57 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I'll have to check what format my Concrete Blond is in but I think it is mp4 |
| 14:04.22 | SeBsZ | The_Vulture, ya there? |
| 14:04.40 | cef | ycco: no db.root ? |
| 14:04.52 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: OK. |
| 14:04.53 | g4lt | scarynetworkguy I doubt you have it, since it's "Concrete Blonde" ;P |
| 14:04.54 | az[a]zel | yay NAFTA in deadlock |
| 14:04.56 | ycco | yah, there is a db.root... do I need to make asymlink to db.cache? |
| 14:05.03 | eoin | Hi all. Im running Debian Stable, fully updated. I just found the machine has been hacked, running apache-ssl 1.3.26. I'm guessing its the PHP exploit. I need to get the machine back up asap, but there doesn't seem to be any other versions of apache in the cache. Anyone know of plans to update the supplied apache? |
| 14:05.05 | ycco | cef: or just don't worry about db.cache? |
| 14:05.07 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt: hehe |
| 14:05.27 | cef | ycco: shouldn't need to.. it's the same thing.. but as long as the config file actually references db.root, then you don't need db.cache |
| 14:05.39 | ycco | ok, I was thinking that... but the book mentioned db.cache... |
| 14:05.45 | SlayerXP | eoin: reinstall, just don't install php |
| 14:05.45 | ycco | so wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything |
| 14:05.46 | pme | eoin: if it's been cracked, other stuff could be infected too, and you need to assume that other stuff /has/ been infected. Wipe it and reinstall. |
| 14:05.54 | ycco | course, it is the 3rd edition and not the latest ;) |
| 14:05.55 | ycco | heh |
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| 14:06.04 | greycat | ycco: file name is not important, it's just the line in the named.conf file that matters. |
| 14:06.13 | eoin | yup, have been planning a reinstall. but not much point in putting same apache back in... |
| 14:06.13 | cef | ycco: the naming of the file is technically unimportant.. it's the content that is what matters.. *grin* |
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| 14:06.16 | ycco | greycat: k, that makes sense. |
| 14:06.25 | ycco | cef: k, tx :) |
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| 14:06.35 | eoin | SlayerXP: ok, leave php out of it... thx |
| 14:06.55 | pme | eoin: okay, good. Are you sure that apache was the hole that was used? |
| 14:07.08 | maxim_ | Nosf3ratu:modules in Debian policy? |
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| 14:07.39 | eoin | pme: only apache and ssh running. |
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| 14:07.54 | pme | eoin: and, no offense but people sometimes forget, do you have the appropriate security lines in sources.list? |
| 14:08.00 | eoin | yes |
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| 14:08.09 | mike_25 | hi, what's the difference between kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.26-1-686 and pcmicia-modules-2.4.26-1-686? |
| 14:08.19 | mike_25 | I'm not sure which one I should install |
| 14:08.30 | pme | eoin: good |
| 14:08.43 | jeanpoldeux | oh, my furret made again in a corner. |
| 14:08.44 | mike_25 | (typo, should be pcmcia) |
| 14:09.07 | Phated | jeanpoldeux: Tsk, poor you. |
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| 14:09.28 | jeanpoldeux | Phated: heh, hard to bried this pets. |
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| 14:09.49 | Phated | jeanpoldeux: Aye. |
| 14:09.59 | jeanpoldeux | Phated: Aille. |
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| 14:10.26 | g4lt | jeanpoldeux aieee |
| 14:10.27 | cef | Phated: oh remember I was saying that I'd know tonight if I'd become the president of my local LUG? |
| 14:10.35 | jeanpoldeux | g4lt: haye. |
| 14:10.39 | Phated | cef: Did you did you did you? |
| 14:10.47 | cef | Phated: *grin* |
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| 14:11.00 | pme | no dangling chad? |
| 14:11.09 | Phated | cef: YAY! |
| 14:11.19 | Phated | !wine cef |
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| 14:11.21 | eoin | pme: in relation to apache + php. is it bad scripting that causes the security hole, or is it due to the library and not due to bad developement? |
| 14:11.22 | jeanpoldeux | !win cef |
| 14:11.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, cef! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 14:11.29 | Phated | Bah, no wine. |
| 14:11.29 | jeanpoldeux | hahahha |
| 14:11.33 | cef | Phated: I owe you a white port.. collectable whenever |
| 14:11.50 | eoin | pme: in other words, is it the developer that did the php site that was the problem in the end? |
| 14:11.51 | Phated | cef: Yahooo. *plans for a traip to .au* |
| 14:11.54 | Phated | trip* |
| 14:12.17 | pme | eoin: couldn't actually tell you myself; I use apache2 without php. The folks in #apache or #php might know more. |
| 14:12.25 | eoin | great, thx |
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| 14:12.37 | nailbiter | mike_25: 'kernel-pcmcia-modules' contains the pcmcia drivers which ship with the main kernel. 'pcmcia-modules' are external, third-party modules. if in doubt, use 'kernel-pcmcia-modules'. |
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| 14:13.02 | mike_25 | ok |
| 14:13.08 | mike_25 | i just install the 3rd party ones |
| 14:13.12 | mike_25 | guess i'll see |
| 14:13.40 | mike_25 | thx |
| 14:13.57 | cef | Phated: heh.. I was pleasantly surprised actually.. I wasn't sure if I'd get in or not.. the other candidate has some good ideas. fortunately for me he's on the committee as well (as an ordinary member).. and managed to get people to fill all the committee positions too.. which was a plus |
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| 14:14.18 | Phated | cef: Awesome. :) |
| 14:14.43 | maxim_ | Nosf3ratu:I've been reading, but none of it works with module-init-tools |
| 14:14.46 | nailbiter | cef: congratulations, by the way. :) |
| 14:15.03 | pme | cef: Are you going to do something like they did in the early days of the American government, where the loser of the presidential election became the vice-president? :-) |
| 14:15.33 | g4lt | cef you do realize that the reason behind gropu presidencies is to give everyone to blame for them being lazy bums? ;P |
| 14:15.37 | pme | Because if both people relly do want to work for the LUG, that kind of thing can actually work... |
| 14:15.43 | cef | Phated: that, plus I've fixed a bug in a script for the LUG's mailing lists.. yay!!! |
| 14:15.49 | jeanpoldeux | Phated: Olé. |
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| 14:15.54 | g4lt | okay, now I correct the rammar and typos ;P |
| 14:15.58 | Phated | cef: Woohoo! |
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| 14:16.07 | Phated | jeanpoldeux: Olé! |
| 14:16.08 | g4lt | cef you do realize that the reason behind group presidencies is to give everyone someone to blame for them being lazy bums? ;P |
| 14:16.30 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt: true story |
| 14:16.43 | Phated | Oooh, Grandpa scarynetworkguy's got a story again. |
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| 14:16.54 | cef | pme: well we don't always get along the best.. and another guy ran for VP.. whom we both respect.. and know will do a good job.. I don't think I could have worked with this guy as VP.. and I can understand if he feels the same way.. |
| 14:16.57 | pme | gather 'round, kids! |
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| 14:17.03 | jeanpoldeux | g4lt: viiiiii direct in the middle. spotted. |
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| 14:17.28 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: hey no call for that |
| 14:17.30 | pme | cef: that's cool. Best of luck in your new administration! |
| 14:17.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ha! |
| 14:17.45 | cef | pme: but it seems all members of the committee are actually quite interested in getting things cleaned up, working, and improving.. so I'm sure we'll do well |
| 14:17.50 | scarynetworkguy | cef: congrats man have fun. |
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| 14:18.10 | Phated | Awww, damn. I was about to hand him a hreaing aid, too. |
| 14:18.51 | Phated | hearing* |
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| 14:19.13 | cef | g4lt: yeah I know.. I was on the previous two committees.. so I've got a fair idea what's involved *grin* |
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| 14:21.25 | Phated | jeanpoldeux: Meh, that;s how we all operate. |
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| 14:21.28 | Phated | that's* |
| 14:21.35 | piroko | i just accidentally deleted my /dev/sda1 file. :O is there a way to restore it? |
| 14:21.41 | jeanpoldeux | spelling problems today Phated ? |
| 14:21.48 | nailbiter | piroko: cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV sda |
| 14:21.55 | Phated | jeanpoldeux: Bah to you. :) |
| 14:22.02 | piroko | nailbiter: phew! thank you! |
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| 14:22.28 | piroko | nailbiter: ah. all is well. thank you very much! |
| 14:22.35 | nailbiter | piroko: cool |
| 14:22.45 | ninja_ | Phated: you need some tea |
| 14:23.00 | pme | Damn, I must have a more powerful rm(1) command than piroko does. I did that once and the hard drive evaporated from inside the case... |
| 14:23.05 | Phated | ninja_: Tea! :) |
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| 14:23.21 | Phated | pme: :D |
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| 14:23.58 | Noid | !tell trisco about root |
| 14:24.07 | g4lt | pme I think that's the solaris version.... |
| 14:24.38 | pme | Noid: I thought blootbots automatically did that as well as the "has landed" text... |
| 14:25.14 | jeanpoldeux | mmm. I still have a friend with a single root account on his machine. Poor, poor boy, you really don't know.... |
| 14:25.19 | g4lt | pme they do... |
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| 14:25.42 | g4lt | jeanpoldeux yeah, it's much nice to have two or three root acoounts ;P |
| 14:25.42 | nailbiter | jeanpoldeux: well, it's actually what lindows does. :) |
| 14:25.46 | Noid | pme: really? well, it won't hurt him to know it twice |
| 14:25.51 | coachz | Is there an easy way to add smbfs to my kernel with apt-get ? 2.4.21 kernel |
| 14:26.00 | pme | Noid: :-) |
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| 14:26.05 | g4lt | coachz yeah, install samba |
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| 14:26.26 | jeanpoldeux | It's funny to see how people just think it's "cool" to do the opposite of what everybody's sayin'. |
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| 14:26.40 | araldit | Hi I have a friend who wants to try linux.. What is the name for the linux emulator for windows??? |
| 14:26.47 | Lennart | wine |
| 14:26.50 | nailbiter | coachz: the 'smbfs' kernel module? i don't think 2.4.21 has been in the testing or unstable branch for a long time. you might be better off simply installing a newer kernel with a full set of modules. |
| 14:27.01 | snoke | i have problen to 2.6 kernel work, init starts load but it is wery slow ? |
| 14:27.02 | Lennart | araldit: ow, the other way around :) |
| 14:27.05 | trisco_ | hi all |
| 14:27.08 | coachz | i just need an EASY quick way |
| 14:27.14 | araldit | Lennart: Correct |
| 14:27.21 | piingouin | get a live cd |
| 14:27.27 | piingouin | knopix or so |
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| 14:27.29 | nailbiter | coachz: first, pick a kernel image from 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4' |
| 14:27.30 | Noid | araldit: if he wants to try linux, one of the better options is to get a live linux cd such as knoppix |
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| 14:27.47 | SlayerXP | coachz: the easy way is to pay a consultant. all other ways involve using your brain, sorry. |
| 14:27.54 | nailbiter | coachz: then, install it with apt-get. follow instructions onscreen, then reboot .. |
| 14:28.01 | araldit | Noid: Not exactly what i mean.. Open a window in windows to display linux.. |
| 14:28.06 | araldit | cygwin????? |
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| 14:28.09 | coachz | 2.4.18 is the latest i see |
| 14:28.26 | Phated | SlayerXP: Zing! |
| 14:28.39 | nailbiter | coachz: you're on a woody system? okay -- perhaps you could add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list: |
| 14:28.41 | coachz | SlayerXP is so snappy, i bet he has cuffs on his pants |
| 14:28.59 | Nosf3ratu | araldit, VMWare. |
| 14:29.13 | araldit | Thx.. I'll check that out. |
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| 14:29.21 | Phated | coachz: Er, cuffs are -part- of pants. |
| 14:29.23 | Noid | araldit: well, that's like wanting to get laid and then going alone to the bathroom... it's not quite the same, mind me |
| 14:29.24 | nailbiter | coachz: or heck, just do 'echo deb http://www.backports.org/debian stable all >>/etc/apt/sources.list' |
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| 14:29.30 | Phated | Night, all. |
| 14:29.40 | nailbiter | coachz: then run 'apt-get update', then do the 'apt-cache search' thing again. |
| 14:29.45 | nailbiter | Phated: selamat malam |
| 14:29.58 | Phated | nailbiter: :) Night, dude. |
| 14:30.07 | nailbiter | Phated: tchuss, dudette |
| 14:30.09 | coachz | nailbiter, ok, thanks |
| 14:30.31 | Phated | nailbiter: Bah with the languages... Bon(ne) nuit. :) |
| 14:30.40 | coachz | still none for 2.2.21 |
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| 14:30.41 | nailbiter | coachz: backports.org, basically, is an apt repository containing updated packages for woody .. |
| 14:30.50 | coachz | i see |
| 14:30.57 | nailbiter | Phated: hm .. gute nacht. :) |
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| 14:31.12 | Phated | nailbiter: Buenos noches. |
| 14:31.25 | nailbiter | coachz: run 'apt-get update' after adding that line, then do 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4'. |
| 14:31.40 | thoreauputic | Phated: bonne nuit |
| 14:31.42 | Noid | Phated: "buenas" (; |
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| 14:31.46 | nailbiter | Phated: hmm .. chou tou. |
| 14:31.52 | Phated | nailbiter: Wan an. |
| 14:31.54 | Phated | thoreauputic: Thanks. |
| 14:31.58 | coachz | nailbiter, i have a meeting, back in 30, thanks again |
| 14:32.05 | SeBsZ | Hello, i have a strange problem. My server has masquerading enabled and the clients in the LAN can access the internet. Everything worked but now suddenly the server is unable to access the internet, pinging doesn't work, google doesnt work. I can only ping my dns server. The strange thing is that the entire LAN can access the internet and do anything they want. How can that be? |
| 14:32.10 | Phated | Noid: Hm, I need to speak with my linguist. |
| 14:32.25 | Noid | Phated: hehehe |
| 14:32.41 | thoreauputic | Phated: ni sa moce |
| 14:32.42 | g4lt | Phated is your linguist cunning? ;P |
| 14:33.06 | SnuS | hello - I managed to remotely connect |
| 14:33.08 | SnuS | here is what is in the logs ... |
| 14:33.09 | SnuS | Aug 3 17:20:13 vilcea sshd[790]: Did not receive identification string from 213.157.168.251 |
| 14:33.19 | jqdkf | how can I get java plugin on an alpha machine? |
| 14:33.23 | safrican | w00t my KDE packages are FIXED |
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| 14:34.19 | pme | g4lt: beat me to it... |
| 14:35.01 | nailbiter | SeBsZ: when you try to ping an external host on your server, do you get an 'operation not permitted'? or do you simply not get a response? |
| 14:35.16 | ycco | cef: one last stupid question... the IPADDR that I use for the zone entry does it need to be a seperate iP or can it be the IP of the box that is doing primary DNS for that domain. |
| 14:35.43 | mufa | hi, after I run apt-get source packagex how could I build deb for packagex ? |
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| 14:36.04 | gridline | Hi, back. I can't seem to mount my ATA harddisks. KNOPPIX finds the ICH5 controller but not the harddisk, help? I'm so close |
| 14:36.05 | nailbiter | SnuS: does sshd log the same error when you try 'ssh localhost' on the server itself? |
| 14:36.12 | safrican | mufa: apt-get source -b <package> it builds the source and then builds the deb |
| 14:36.21 | g4lt | mufa debian/rules binary |
| 14:36.24 | dacosta | can anyone help me? my debian woody doesn't start up anymore. the last line is: > vfs mounted root (cramfs filesystem) |
| 14:36.32 | SnuS | nailbiter let me see |
| 14:36.52 | mufa | safrican: of course first I want to modify something in the source |
| 14:37.07 | tchaikov | mufa: dpkg-buildpackage will do the magic |
| 14:37.10 | g4lt | mufa you DO realize you can do apt-get -b source foo and have apt build it for you |
| 14:37.14 | nailbiter | dacosta: did you just install a new kernel? |
| 14:37.14 | mufa | thank you |
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| 14:37.19 | safrican | mufa: oh.. then you might need to build the deb with dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 14:37.26 | m0rphix | hi guys |
| 14:37.29 | safrican | er.. i'm slow |
| 14:37.48 | dacosta | nailbiter: not really the kernel did run properly |
| 14:38.11 | mufa | thank you very much, guys, I will try it |
| 14:38.20 | Noid | dacosta: what did you change then? |
| 14:38.40 | SeBsZ | nailbiter, i get a "host not found" error |
| 14:38.44 | SnuS | nailbiter it works locally |
| 14:38.45 | dacosta | nailbiter: it turned the machine off for 1 day. I started it today. then I installed ntp and ntpdate, changed the date to the current time <<< maybe the problem is here? |
| 14:39.13 | nailbiter | SeBsZ: ok. could you have a look at your /etc/resolv.conf? is the nameserver address in there valid and is it reachable? |
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| 14:39.39 | SeBsZ | it says "search mydomain.com" and under it nameserver ISP-DNS |
| 14:39.40 | jqdkf | hello, does anyone know how can I install a java virtual machine on an alpha computer? I can't find the right package. |
| 14:40.01 | nailbiter | SnuS: hm, ok. could you check your /etc/hosts.allow? is it disallowing remote connections for 'ALL' or service 'SSHD'? |
| 14:40.24 | nailbiter | SeBsZ: ok. could you try doing a test lookup against that DNS address? say, with the 'host' tool. |
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| 14:40.34 | SeBsZ | nailbiter, also, it is reachable from both the server and the clients |
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| 14:41.05 | SnuS | nailbiter both hosts.allow and hosts.deny are empty |
| 14:41.07 | SeBsZ | nailbiter, i tried "host google.com ISP-DNS" and the connection times out: no servers could be reached |
| 14:41.32 | pme | jqdkf: I don't think there is one. Java hasn't been well supported on Alpha chips since the 1.x days. |
| 14:41.41 | nailbiter | SeBsZ: does your firewall log any dropped packets for dest port 53 about the time you did the test lookup? |
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| 14:41.52 | Noid | SeBsZ: when you said your resolv.conf had that contents... you mean there is no numerical content in there? no ip addresses? |
| 14:41.54 | SeBsZ | what firewall log? |
| 14:42.01 | relex | is there any way to force an unmount |
| 14:42.06 | SeBsZ | there is, my isp's dns address ip is there |
| 14:42.11 | jqdkf | pme: I see, thanks |
| 14:42.17 | nailbiter | SnuS: hm. and when you do a 'ssh -v' from a remote host the ssh server still drops the connection at the same point? |
| 14:42.35 | Noid | SeBsZ: ok, just checking |
| 14:42.45 | nailbiter | SeBsZ: most firewalling setups include a LOG rule -- these log packets to /var/log/syslog or /var/log/kern.log .. |
| 14:42.48 | pme | jqdkf: the latest version of anything will be at java.sun.com -- if it's there, /then/ start looking for debs of it. |
| 14:43.08 | sdirector | SeBsZ: can you ping the IP of the DNS server? |
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| 14:43.09 | SeBsZ | nailbiter, the strange thing it happened suddenly. It worked fine before |
| 14:43.24 | SeBsZ | sdirector, yes i can |
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| 14:43.34 | SnuS | nailbiter yep - always after SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT gets sent |
| 14:43.44 | sdirector | SeBsZ: ISP DNS server down? |
| 14:43.50 | SeBsZ | but I can not ping my ISP's domain name. However, I can from the clients behind the server! |
| 14:44.01 | jqdkf | pme: I have tried, but can't find one. |
| 14:44.02 | SeBsZ | from the clients i can ping google.com, anything. I can even go on IRC |
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| 14:44.12 | m0rphix | whats the command to show how much physical memory (RAM) system has? |
| 14:44.19 | nailbiter | SeBsZ: so you're able to ping your ISP's nameserver only from inside the network, and not from the server itself? |
| 14:44.23 | greycat | m0rphix: free, dmesg, top, ... |
| 14:44.25 | Noid | m0rphix: free |
| 14:44.26 | SnuS | I pointed syslog to a single file(with *.* -/tmp/log), and all it gives is |
| 14:44.27 | SnuS | Aug 3 17:31:30 vilcea sshd[1232]: Did not receive identification string from 213.157.168.251 |
| 14:44.31 | SeBsZ | nailbiter, that is true |
| 14:44.31 | m0rphix | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.46 | pme | jqdkf: yeah, Sun generally doesn't keep Java up to date for any of their business competitors. :-) |
| 14:45.21 | SnuS | also tried running it on a different port(sshd) in debug mode |
| 14:45.37 | dacosta | hmm has anyone an idea for my booting problem? |
| 14:45.37 | SnuS | debug1: Server will not fork when running in debugging mode. | Connection from 213.157.168.251 port 45578 | Did not receive identification string from 213.157.168.251 |
| 14:45.51 | nailbiter | SnuS: hm. on the server, could you try ssh'ing to the ip address of your external interface (and not localhost)? does that work? |
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| 14:46.14 | SnuS | nailbiter works |
| 14:46.15 | nailbiter | SeBsZ: how strange. :-/ have any changes been made to your firewalling rules lately? |
| 14:46.21 | xpato | hi, what backup tool do you guys recommend for a big chunk of data? |
| 14:46.27 | SeBsZ | a little while ago, i set up masquerading |
| 14:46.35 | sdirector | xpato: what's a big chunk of data? |
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| 14:46.37 | nailbiter | SeBsZ: with which package? |
| 14:46.43 | SeBsZ | a few hours ago, but as far as i know it still worked after that |
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| 14:46.50 | Noid | dacosta: not really, with that little info, installing ntp shouldn't have changed anything, there must be something else you did last time (maybe inadvedterly) |
| 14:46.59 | SeBsZ | nailbiter, erm, the debian one... ipmasq ? |
| 14:47.08 | nailbiter | SnuS: i know this is a wild stab, but perhaps it's the ssh client on the remote host? |
| 14:47.14 | xpato | sdirector, a lot of data, like about 500GB |
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| 14:47.17 | nailbiter | SnuS: could you try connecting from another remote host, perhaps? |
| 14:47.22 | SnuS | nailbiter I doubt it - tried two of them |
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| 14:47.33 | sdirector | xpato: is it all one file? or tons of them? |
| 14:47.40 | dacosta | noid well... I did run knoppix the filesystem is okay on my drive |
| 14:47.43 | nailbiter | SeBsZ: okay .. are you using a factory-default ipmasq setup? or did you copy in the A80firewalling rule? |
| 14:47.48 | nailbiter | s |
| 14:47.53 | xpato | sdirector, no tons, but a lot |
| 14:47.55 | SnuS | plus, this ssh client connected to that box when it was local ... now its 200km away from me, and it wont connect any more |
| 14:47.59 | SnuS | only thing that changed is the ips |
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| 14:48.46 | nailbiter | SnuS: alright .. could you install the 'socket' package on both ends? it'll be handy for attempting a test TCP transfer .. |
| 14:48.52 | stevewabc_laptop | need some help with wireless dhcp |
| 14:48.56 | sdirector | xpato: are you wanting to just do this once, do you want to back it up to another machine? |
| 14:49.18 | SnuS | nailbiter let me get the source - one of them is not debian |
| 14:49.54 | xpato | sdirector, another machine, every week |
| 14:50.36 | SnuS | nailbiter ok, switched clients - installed socket on 2 debs |
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| 14:51.06 | nailbiter | SnuS: cool. on the ssh server, could you do: 'dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1024 count=2000 | socket -qws 1111 | md5sum'? |
| 14:51.14 | sdirector | xpato: well, if you're willing to read a couple of man pages, I would recommend apt-get install dirvish, which uses rsync to do the transfer and stored incremental backups... |
| 14:51.27 | sdirector | xpato: or, you can just do it by hand with rsync |
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| 14:51.31 | ninja_ | xpato: i've heard good things about rsnapshot.org but i haven't used it myself |
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| 14:51.57 | sdirector | xpato: 'rsync -avz /stuff/to/backup remotehost:/where/to/put/it' |
| 14:52.00 | SlayerCE | uuh |
| 14:52.04 | SnuS | nailbiter ran |
| 14:52.12 | nailbiter | SnuS: eek, sorry, lemme type that again. :) |
| 14:52.16 | pme | xpato: http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ uses a nice method, which I've combined with some other scripts and adapted. |
| 14:52.27 | nailbiter | SnuS: cool. on the ssh server: 'dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1024 count=2000 | tee /tmp/test | socket -qws 1111' |
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| 14:52.48 | pme | xpato: the URL I just gave does incremental snapshots, which are handy. |
| 14:52.50 | nailbiter | SnuS: on the client 'socket -qr <address_of_server> 1111 >/tmp/test' |
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| 14:53.04 | nailbiter | SnuS: then check the md5sums of /tmp/test on the server and client. |
| 14:53.19 | SnuS | k |
| 14:53.25 | SnuS | transfering |
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| 14:54.12 | SnuS | nailbiter should it stop by itself ? |
| 14:54.19 | nailbiter | SnuS: yes, it should stop by itself |
| 14:54.51 | SnuS | nailbiter well, it doesnt |
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| 14:55.06 | EvilSeed | okay i need help with giftd |
| 14:55.06 | nailbiter | SnuS: it's hung and the connection's stalled? |
| 14:55.15 | SnuS | not hun |
| 14:55.16 | SnuS | not hung |
| 14:55.17 | EvilSeed | giftd is just trippin |
| 14:55.24 | SnuS | just keeps transfering |
| 14:55.29 | EvilSeed | *** GIFT-FATAL: couldn't load protocol in file /usr/lib/giFT/lib.la: file not found |
| 14:55.29 | EvilSeed | *** Often times more information can be found in the log file or with the -v command line switch. |
| 14:55.32 | SnuS | bout 3mb till now |
| 14:55.36 | SnuS | ah |
| 14:55.37 | SnuS | no |
| 14:55.38 | SnuS | 2mb |
| 14:55.40 | SnuS | stopped |
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| 14:55.45 | nailbiter | SnuS: it should transfer 2048000 bytes, |
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| 14:55.52 | ninja_ | EvilSeed: #gift |
| 14:55.59 | SnuS | d09d54ebf3aa85779f85899eced3e760 matches d09d54ebf3aa85779f85899eced3e760 |
| 14:56.01 | EvilSeed | oh opk |
| 14:56.02 | SnuS | md5s match |
| 14:56.02 | EvilSeed | thx |
| 14:56.16 | stevewabc_laptop | can someone send there DHCP SETUP config files to study? |
| 14:56.20 | nailbiter | SnuS: hm, ok. |
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| 14:57.00 | sdirector | stevewabc_laptop: server or client? |
| 14:57.01 | nailbiter | SnuS: let's try the reverse direction .. |
| 14:57.07 | Punk | i installed debian sarge and configured the apt mirror to debian-ftp-nl and tried to do "apt-get install fluxbox" and there is xfree86 in the dependencies. shouldn't that be X.org ? |
| 14:57.13 | SnuS | got it |
| 14:57.15 | SnuS | doin now |
| 14:57.24 | stevewabc_laptop | maybe both im so lost here |
| 14:57.52 | treestone | Punk: If debian uses x.org then that change must have happened yesterday or something. But last time I looked debian uses xfree86. |
| 14:57.53 | nailbiter | SnuS: in case you need the exact commands, it's -- 'socket -qrs 1111 >/tmp/test' on the server, and 'dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1024 count=2000 | tee /tmp/test | socket -qw <ip_address_of_server> 1111' |
| 14:58.20 | stevewabc_laptop | had my wireless working in fedora and suse but here in the the debian world this is fun |
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| 14:58.25 | SnuS | nailbiter thanks, I understood your point. 1.5mb transfered |
| 14:58.42 | SnuS | c49834403cb57bb947045113a5bbe067 /tmp/test |
| 14:58.48 | SnuS | they match ... |
| 14:58.51 | m0rphix | damn, my server has become slow as fcuk! this started yesterday for some reason and i cant get to the bottom of it :( |
| 14:58.52 | nailbiter | SnuS: ok, it's not a tcp problem then |
| 14:58.52 | Punk | treestone : i'm new to debian ... didn't knew that, thanx for the info |
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| 14:59.23 | nailbiter | SnuS: on the client, would you be able to telnet to the ssh port on the server? do you see a string like 'SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian 1:3.8.1p1-7'? |
| 14:59.42 | ricky_clarkson | This gives me 404 errors: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ ../project/unstable main non-free contrib - any suggestions? |
| 14:59.45 | SnuS | db:~# nc vilcea 22 | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.8.1p1 Debian 1:3.8.1p1-4 | db:~# |
| 14:59.49 | Punk | "apt-get install xfce" gives me couldn't find package, isn't there a build of xfce on the debian mirrors ? |
| 15:00.00 | trisco_ | Punk: your questions answered mine as well :) |
| 15:00.01 | SlayerCE | ricky_clarkson: use a different mirror. try again in 12 hours. |
| 15:00.02 | SeBsZ | hello, i just set up email on my debian server. I can mail internally, but when i try to send email using outlook through the server i get a "relaying denied" error message |
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| 15:00.15 | m0rphix | heres how it slow it is.. i type a command in shell and it takes several mins for the characters to appear, move the mouse, 2 mins later cursurer moves |
| 15:00.17 | SeBsZ | i have sasl or something set up, do i need to configure my client properly? |
| 15:00.19 | SlayerCE | SeBsZ: yes, you need to configure your mail server properly |
| 15:00.22 | ricky_clarkson | SlayerCE: God, that's a disgusting nick change. |
| 15:00.29 | ninja_ | Punk: xfce4 |
| 15:00.30 | SeBsZ | SlayerCE, smtp only right |
| 15:00.30 | ricky_clarkson | SlayerCE: I suppose you'll be SlayerDOS soon. |
| 15:00.42 | Gathond | SeBsZ: sounds like you havent configured the server to relay mail for you local network |
| 15:01.00 | Punk | ninja_ : got it thanx =:) |
| 15:01.02 | nailbiter | SnuS: ok, could you try pasting the exact string back at the server after connection? |
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| 15:01.10 | EvilSeed | #gift sux |
| 15:01.14 | sdirector | stevewabc_laptop: ok. hang on just a sec |
| 15:01.18 | rovragge | pgup/pgdown for scrolling stopped working for me in firefox/0.9.1 linux/debian |
| 15:01.22 | EvilSeed | anyone willing to help me with a gift related question no one responds in #gift |
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| 15:01.24 | SnuS | nailbiter well, I cant - the connection gets reset - thats why I tried using netcat |
| 15:01.30 | SnuS | I dont have to input a string |
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| 15:01.44 | m0rphix | anyone got any ideas what can be causing this sudden sluggish server performance? |
| 15:01.47 | SnuS | and I get a TCP reset ... |
| 15:01.55 | gaga | hi, is there a way to check if the tools to setup a raid are on in the CD image install of debian SPARC ? |
| 15:01.57 | SnuS | telnet language, "Connection closed by foreign host." |
| 15:02.01 | sdirector | stevewabc_laptop: you need two lines in your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 15:02.03 | nailbiter | SnuS: you get a tcp reset immediately after the server sends its version string? |
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| 15:02.06 | SeBsZ | SlayerCE, Gathond: I enabled "my server requires authentication" for outgoing mail, but i dont know what the username and password are that i need to enter here |
| 15:02.10 | sdirector | stevewabc_laptop: auto eth0 |
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| 15:02.14 | SnuS | nailbiter yes |
| 15:02.21 | sdirector | stevewabc_laptop: iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 15:02.51 | Gathond | SeBsZ: have you configured any authentication in the mail server? |
| 15:02.52 | sdirector | stevewabc_laptop: then do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 15:03.04 | nailbiter | SnuS: hm, ok. could you check if your sshd is linked against libwrap, and if it is, temporarily put 'sshd: ALL' in your /etc/hosts.allow? |
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| 15:03.36 | SeBsZ | Gathond, i guess... is there a place where i can reconfigure these settings? Is it possible to have the username and password the same as the login details? |
| 15:03.43 | pmcdonnell | I'm having some trouble getting debmirror to work. I issue the following command, but it hangs on "Get Release Files". Here is the command I issue: |
| 15:03.45 | pmcdonnell | debmirror -p -v --nosource -h ftp.us.debian.org --method=ftp --dist=sarge /debmirror |
| 15:03.51 | nailbiter | SnuS: i think i'm just guessing here -- if libwrap had denied access, the connection would have just closed instantly .. |
| 15:03.53 | pmcdonnell | Anyone know how I might be able to fix this? |
| 15:04.33 | pmcdonnell | Wait, it gives one more line of error: Use of uninitialized value in numeric eq (==) at /usr/bin/debmirror line 735. |
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| 15:04.47 | SnuS | nailbiter vilcea:~# ldd -v /usr/sbin/sshd|grep libwrap -i|wc -l .... 2 |
| 15:04.48 | Gathond | SeBsZ: would probably depend alot upon your MTA, but I have never had any need for authentication on my MTA, so I dont know anything about the specifics |
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| 15:04.57 | jharrison | how do i add a startup script with update-rc.d? |
| 15:05.19 | nailbiter | SnuS: ok. try adding 'sshd: ALL' temporarily to your /etc/hosts.allow file, then have the ssh client connect again? |
| 15:05.21 | SnuS | nailbiter: tried |
| 15:05.23 | SnuS | same thing |
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| 15:05.26 | nailbiter | SnuS: rats |
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| 15:05.53 | SeBsZ | Anyone, in my postfix main.cf file i have these lines: smtpd_sasl_local_domain = $myhostname |
| 15:05.54 | SeBsZ | smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes |
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| 15:06.03 | SeBsZ | i suppose that is why i cannot send any email |
| 15:06.18 | nailbiter | SnuS: ok, next stop -- strace. :) could you kill sshd, then restart it under strace? 'strace -fo /tmp/ssh.trace sshd -d'? |
| 15:06.19 | SeBsZ | which is fine, i dont want to be relaying, but i need to know what username and password users will need to use here |
| 15:06.21 | SnuS | nailbiter yeah, I know |
| 15:06.34 | sdirector | stevewabc_laptop: are you trying to setup wireless? |
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| 15:06.51 | SnuS | nailbiter ill strace it ... I tried tcpdumping, packets look normal |
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| 15:07.01 | trailertrash | jharrison, ln -s /etc/init.d/startup /etc/rc2.d/S99startup |
| 15:07.24 | SeBsZ | nailbiter, you know something about sasl authentication on smtp with postfix? |
| 15:07.24 | stevewabc_laptop | yess |
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| 15:07.26 | nailbiter | SnuS: the last read() call might tell you if sshd is dropping the connection, or something else is closing it on sshd. |
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| 15:07.49 | nailbiter | SeBsZ: sasl authentication? no. :) you normally don't need it if you're sending mail from an internal network .. |
| 15:07.52 | trailertrash | i have a file that i cannot delete, and therefor apt will not let me install anything' |
| 15:08.02 | nailbiter | SeBsZ: just make sure your internal network's netmask is in postfix's allowed clients list .. |
| 15:08.08 | SeBsZ | nailbiter, im not, im going to have external users use it too.. |
| 15:08.13 | SnuS | nailbiter may I query you(paste) |
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| 15:08.32 | nailbiter | SnuS: could you paste to #flood? |
| 15:08.38 | jean | I am trying to get xvncviewer to connect to an address like scorpionathome.no-ip.com However, I get the following message xvncviewer: ConnectToTcpAddr: connect: Connection refused. Any ideas |
| 15:08.49 | jarango | I need an application that generates synthetic UDP traffic at configurable rates and packet sizes... |
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| 15:09.07 | nailbiter | SeBsZ: ah. in that case, i can only point you to the SASL_README file in /usr/share/doc/postfix .. |
| 15:09.34 | nailbiter | SeBsZ: i haven't set up SASL on Postfix myself, so have no idea i'm afraid .. |
| 15:09.36 | EvilSeed | use the ip of that address |
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| 15:10.04 | ceige | I got a new LCD monitor and the tty screen only takes up a portion of it in the middle. Is there any way I can 'stretch' the tty screen size? |
| 15:10.27 | pmcdonnell | Yikes - In KDE, I use the Run Program menu item to start a program. I want to run it as root, so I tell it to. However, an error pops up saying, "the user root does not exist on this system" |
| 15:10.31 | pmcdonnell | any ideas? |
| 15:10.34 | amphi | ceige: you could use frambuffer console |
| 15:10.49 | trailertrash | i have a file that it wont let me change the attributes on, will not let me delete it, and it belongs to -18924274 group, something like that |
| 15:10.50 | amphi | ceige: it should support vesa if nothing else |
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| 15:11.28 | ceige | amphi: Are we talking about the same thing? |
| 15:11.35 | amphi | ceige: on my laptop I get 128x48 console on a 1024x768 panel |
| 15:11.50 | ceige | amphi: Like Alt+F1 that console? You can framebuffer it? |
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| 15:12.20 | amphi | ceige: I think we are :) you have an 80x25 text console in a small central area of yr screen? |
| 15:12.49 | ceige | amphi: yup :( |
| 15:12.57 | trashmatic | hey, i'm running debian testing, but there's a single package that i want from unstable. is there a way to do that with apt-get? |
| 15:13.04 | ceige | amphi: and I want to make it bigger |
| 15:13.18 | ceige | amphi: Where are the settings for that located? |
| 15:13.30 | sdirector | trashmatic: yes. you want to learn about 'pinning' |
| 15:14.29 | sdirector | trashmatic: google 'apt pinning' |
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| 15:15.10 | trashmatic | sdirector: thanks, that is exactly what i need |
| 15:15.15 | ninja_ | !tell trashmatic about pinning |
| 15:15.17 | trailertrash | how do i delete a file that does not want to be deleted? |
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| 15:15.28 | ricky_clarkson | trailertrash: lsof, fuser |
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| 15:16.40 | cyrlap | anyone knows where to find helixplayer debs |
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| 15:16.56 | amphi | ceige: in the kernel config; you need to compile in support and add something like vga=0x318 video=vesa to yr kernel cmd line |
| 15:17.16 | amphi | ceige: Docmentation/fb/* has info on fb modes and so on |
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| 15:17.46 | sussudio | !fgi cyrlap helixplayer debs |
| 15:17.46 | amphi | ceige: vesa should work if there's not specific support for console fb for yr video card |
| 15:17.47 | dpkg | cyrlap: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=helixplayer debs |
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| 15:18.42 | jetscreamer | url not found, fuckingoogleit |
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| 15:19.07 | g4lt | jetscreamer it does |
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| 15:19.23 | sussudio | jetscreamer: 2 g's. duh. |
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| 15:19.36 | _bambam | hi |
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| 15:19.44 | paladin__ | dpkg: debian |
| 15:19.44 | dpkg | it has been said that debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 15:19.49 | paladin__ | dpkg: forget debian |
| 15:19.49 | dpkg | paladin__: cannot alter locked factoids |
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| 15:19.55 | paladin__ | fine |
| 15:20.08 | jetscreamer | !lart paladin__ |
| 15:20.08 | ricky_clarkson | !example sources.list |
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| 15:20.41 | paladin__ | jetscreamer: I have a problem with my blootbot ;) |
| 15:20.41 | trailertrash | ricky_clarkson, lsof does not list the file, fuser doesn't either |
| 15:20.41 | paladin__ | everybody can delete thing although they are locked |
| 15:20.42 | strubbel | exists a file where output from the init scripts gets written? |
| 15:20.45 | maitscha | hallo, I have a problem with a shell-script. I want to make a start/stop-script for seti. I execute the command "eval /usr/local/bin/setiathome -nice 13 -verbose > /var/log/seti &" within the script. On debug mode I get the error "failure 'Starten von eval'. On the bash I can execute this command. Any ideas? |
| 15:20.52 | ricky_clarkson | trailertrash: Why won't it delete? What's the error? |
| 15:21.18 | ricky_clarkson | maitscha: Starten von eval -> Englisch bitte. |
| 15:21.27 | jetscreamer | paladin__, i too have a problem with my blootbot. it won't d/l debian package file information, and has a problem with CMD:'s |
| 15:21.29 | g4lt | paladin__ lockin got changed a while back. dpkg predates the change, so some locks are basically permenent now |
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| 15:21.57 | trailertrash | ricky_clarkson, rm: remove write-protected weird file `/usr/share/mimelnk/image'? |
| 15:21.58 | maitscha | ricky_clarkson: Starten von eval -> On starting eval |
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| 15:22.15 | ricky_clarkson | trailertrash: Type 'y', then press return. |
| 15:22.28 | ricky_clarkson | trailertrash: 'weird file'? Wha? |
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| 15:22.34 | trailertrash | ricky_clarkson, rm: cannot remove `/usr/share/mimelnk/image': Operation not permitted |
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| 15:22.51 | jetscreamer | OMFG NO COFFEE!!! |
| 15:22.54 | ricky_clarkson | trailertrash: ls -l /usr/share/mimelnk/image |
| 15:22.57 | maitscha | the guys in bash-channel seems to sleep... |
| 15:23.06 | ricky_clarkson | maitscha: Everyone sleeps. |
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| 15:23.47 | trailertrash | ricky_clarkson, are you ready for this - ?rwsrwsrwt 255 4294902015 16777215 16777215 Jul 13 1970 /usr/share/mimelnk/image |
| 15:24.20 | eLF[home] | help Wireless-B PCI Card Enternet contoller Unknow devece 17fe:2120 debian 26 |
| 15:24.22 | eLF[home] | ? |
| 15:24.27 | ricky_clarkson | trailertrash: No idea. |
| 15:25.08 | trailertrash | ricky_clarkson, i just installed testing, i guess i need to reinstall |
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| 15:25.40 | ricky_clarkson | trailertrash: I wouldn't expect you'd need to reinstall. Wait for someone more intelligent like greycat or bob2 to answer, or ask the debian-user mailing list. |
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| 15:26.17 | strubbel | hi folks, anyone knows if it exists a file where output from the init scripts gets written to? do i have to configure sysconf for that? |
| 15:26.22 | g4lt | trailertrash have you tried to chmod 777 it? |
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| 15:26.57 | kingsley | strubbel: How about googling for "init" and "log"? |
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| 15:27.04 | paladin__ | g4lt: my bot here seems really to be borked |
| 15:27.13 | paladin__ | everybody can do everything with the bot |
| 15:27.20 | bob2 | don't take my name in vain |
| 15:27.22 | paladin__ | add factorials, let the bot join and part channels |
| 15:27.30 | paladin__ | change factorials, delete them |
| 15:27.44 | strubbel | kingsley: 'll try that |
| 15:27.50 | trailertrash | g4lt, chmod: changing permissions of `/usr/share/mimelnk/image': Operation not permitted |
| 15:27.53 | ricky_clarkson | paladin__: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/javabot.html ;) |
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| 15:28.20 | jetscreamer | paladin__, did you edit the config? |
| 15:28.25 | paladin__ | yes :> |
| 15:28.25 | g4lt | trailertrash damn, something borked that file hardcore |
| 15:28.46 | jetscreamer | paladin__, did you edit the users file? (i forget the exact name) |
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| 15:29.04 | paladin__ | yes |
| 15:29.08 | sgeigerbot | Are any IM clients using GPG to protect messages? |
| 15:29.17 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.30 | paladin__ | _default --FLAGS+mrt |
| 15:29.36 | paladin__ | hm.. might be because of the default flags |
| 15:29.37 | trailertrash | g4lt, it's supposed to be a directory - wont let me apt alsa |
| 15:29.43 | paladin__ | I will lookup what they mean |
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| 15:29.57 | jetscreamer | my flags are default iirc |
| 15:30.09 | jetscreamer | my box with the bloot is taken apart atm |
| 15:30.29 | Nosf3ratu | sgeigerbot, http://gaim-e.sourceforge.net/ |
| 15:30.30 | googliac | sgeigerbot: May I suggest searching google for "IM" and "gpg"? |
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| 15:30.35 | g4lt | trailertrash touch it? |
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| 15:31.14 | Nosf3ratu | sgeigerbot, might work for current versions... |
| 15:31.23 | trailertrash | g4lt, permission denied |
| 15:31.31 | trailertrash | sucks |
| 15:31.32 | SpiralArchitect | Is it worthwile to upgrade from Sarge to Sid? |
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| 15:32.54 | Nosf3ratu | SpiralArchitect, if you have to ask that, then no. |
| 15:33.07 | g4lt | trailertrash link over it? |
| 15:33.18 | bob2 | if you get permission denied as root, then either check your config (lsattr the files, and see if y ou're using selinux) or your disk is FUCKED |
| 15:33.33 | sgeigerbot | SpiralArchitect: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 15:33.47 | g4lt | bob2 I'm thinking the latter in htis case... |
| 15:33.53 | bob2 | yes |
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| 15:34.08 | sgeigerbot | googliac: good idea |
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| 15:34.16 | googliac | !e2fsck |
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| 15:34.40 | Jwir3 | hello. Can I use a CUPS client with a server running LPD, or does it only work the other way around? |
| 15:34.50 | pmcdonnell | I installed apt-proxy, but when I try to do an apt-get update from a client, I get errors like: |
| 15:34.51 | pmcdonnell | Err http://192.168.0.1 sarge/non-free Release |
| 15:34.51 | pmcdonnell | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:35.15 | pmcdonnell | Anyone know where I could start looking to solve the problem? Nothing appears in /var/log/apt-proxy |
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| 15:35.28 | googliac | pmcdonnell: May I suggest googling for "Could not connect to" and "apt-proxy"? |
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| 15:35.35 | googliac | !google |
| 15:35.50 | sgeigerbot | googliac: That's a good idea. Do you have any others? |
| 15:35.52 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
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| 15:36.08 | prologic | Any reason why printing anything with cups comes out so light (draft it always seems) ? The printer settings appear to be okay .... |
| 15:36.09 | t35t0r | !google huh |
| 15:36.16 | dpkg | Google says huh is at http://www.huhcorp.com/ or http://www.whatthefun.net/radio/ or http://www.huh.34sp.com/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi/ or http://www.huh.34sp.com/cgi-bin/blosxom.cgi or http://www.graffiti.org/huh/ |
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| 15:36.29 | strubbel | kingsley: googled successfulless. do you know if i can configure syslog for that? |
| 15:36.44 | t35t0r | there's the google bot |
| 15:36.52 | pmcdonnell | googliac, I googled, didn't turn up anything good |
| 15:37.21 | t35t0r | <pmcdonnell> Err http://192.168.0.1 sarge/non-free Release |
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| 15:37.28 | t35t0r | that's an internal ip address!#@$@!#! |
| 15:37.49 | pmcdonnell | t35t0r, yes... that's the machine I have apt-proxy installed on |
| 15:37.50 | t35t0r | check your apt configs |
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| 15:38.02 | googliac | sgeigerbot: Plant your barley, plant your rye, watch "Dukes of Hazzard", when the wheat gets high. |
| 15:38.02 | t35t0r | check the machine |
| 15:38.08 | t35t0r | proxy |
| 15:38.21 | pmcdonnell | t35t0r, for what? I don't see anything in the logs |
| 15:38.26 | googliac | pmcdonnell: Did you check both the web and usenet archives? |
| 15:38.29 | spiff | if I'm to print a series of periods on the screen, each with, say one second sleep in between, whats the easiest way to do it? |
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| 15:38.38 | pmcdonnell | googliac, not usenet -- I'll do that now |
| 15:38.53 | sgeigerbot | googliac: ^botsnack |
| 15:39.06 | mike_25 | if my pcmcia card's driver was loaded would it show up in lsmod? |
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| 15:39.18 | mike_25 | wireless nic. |
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| 15:39.36 | bob2 | Jwir3: only lpd clients against a cups server |
| 15:39.39 | pmcdonnell | spiff, for I in `seq 1 END`; do echo "."; sleep; done |
| 15:39.47 | ricky_clarkson | !md |
| 15:39.47 | dpkg | from memory, md is software raid in Linux. Moldova |
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| 15:40.06 | Spectrum_X | !lv |
| 15:40.06 | dpkg | well, lv is Latvia |
| 15:40.15 | Jwir3 | bob2: So, if I have an lpd server, I have to use an lpd client? |
| 15:40.21 | bob2 | Jwir3: yes |
| 15:40.25 | EvilSeed | how do I mount a dvdrom drive that has a dvd movie in it? |
| 15:40.27 | Jwir3 | bob2: Ok, thanks |
| 15:40.38 | sgeigerbot | EvilSeed: you don't mount those. |
| 15:40.41 | t35t0r | evilseed: is it legal to view dvd's in linux? |
| 15:40.42 | spiff | pmcdonnell: thanks |
| 15:40.42 | bob2 | EvilSeed: it's a UDF filesystem, probably |
| 15:40.48 | bob2 | but why do you want to mount it? |
| 15:40.53 | t35t0r | dvd movies that is? |
| 15:40.58 | ricky_clarkson | bob2: Maybe it's a pr0n0 |
| 15:41.05 | sgeigerbot | EvilSeed: the closest you can come is with lsdvd, AFAIK |
| 15:41.08 | EvilSeed | te5t0r why wouldnt it be? |
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| 15:41.16 | EvilSeed | i have xine will that work? |
| 15:41.16 | bob2 | er, I can mount dvds |
| 15:41.17 | strubbel | EvilSeed: would say that you don't it |
| 15:41.23 | googliac | EvilSeed: Eject, mount and load? |
| 15:41.30 | sgeigerbot | hmm |
| 15:41.41 | t35t0r | lsdvd? hah what does that do dump the contents of the dvd? |
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| 15:42.06 | EvilSeed | eject? |
| 15:42.11 | ricky_clarkson | man eject |
| 15:42.13 | sgeigerbot | bob2: lsdvd in the acidrip project might show you more useful info, though. Not sure. |
| 15:42.26 | bob2 | sgeigerbot: yeah, aidrip looksed pretty cool |
| 15:42.31 | sgeigerbot | t35t0r: see the acidrip project |
| 15:42.31 | bob2 | er, acidrip |
| 15:42.46 | EvilSeed | I dont want to rip a dvd I just wanna watch matrix on here l0l |
| 15:43.12 | sgeigerbot | EvilSeed: mplayer or xine |
| 15:43.22 | t35t0r | mplayer or xine plays dvd's? |
| 15:43.33 | EvilSeed | xine has a dvd option |
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| 15:43.47 | EvilSeed | the problem is i cant mount my cdrom drives for sum reason |
| 15:43.47 | LeVA | mplayer dvd://1 |
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| 15:43.55 | EvilSeed | like i have /mnt/cdrom and /mnt/cdrom1 |
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| 15:44.10 | sgeigerbot | On slower machines: mplayer -framedrop -cache 8192 dvd:// |
| 15:44.16 | [sumo] | i installed kernel and grub with apt-get and have setup grub, and when i boot up and i get "GRUB_" and it stays there. anyone assist? |
| 15:44.16 | EvilSeed | mount: special device /dev/cdrom does not exist |
| 15:44.28 | t35t0r | what is a slower machine |
| 15:44.34 | jetscreamer | well isn't that special |
| 15:44.49 | sgeigerbot | t35t0r: You will know one when you see one. |
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| 15:45.57 | zino | since I used the ide-scsi emulation Realplayer doesn't start anymore;does anyone know how to fix that? |
| 15:46.03 | EvilSeed | hey when I mount a cdrom does it remove the cdrom listing in /dev and put it to /mnt? |
| 15:46.40 | g4lt | EvilSeed no |
| 15:46.53 | EvilSeed | okay so if im not showing a cdrom listing in dev sumthings fucked right? |
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| 15:47.07 | g4lt | EvilSeed no |
| 15:47.19 | EvilSeed | *confused* how come i cant access my cdroms then |
| 15:47.21 | strubbel | again ... how do i log init script output? any ideas how to do it best? |
| 15:47.28 | gridline | Well it was anice try, but knoppix does not see my drives at all. :'( |
| 15:47.28 | g4lt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.44 | g4lt | EvilSeed dmesg|grep cdrom |
| 15:47.57 | pme | googliac: it can tell there's a computer present, if you're lucky. |
| 15:48.21 | EvilSeed | g4lt wuts that do? |
| 15:48.28 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: or do a 'grep . /proc/ide/*/media' to figure out which is your cdrom device. then create a symlink from /dev/cdrom to it. :) |
| 15:48.49 | g4lt | it horribly mangles your system. never trust anythign you get on IRC |
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| 15:48.57 | EvilSeed | ooooooooooooooo |
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| 15:49.03 | ricky_clarkson | !cdrom |
| 15:49.03 | dpkg | i guess cdrom is To mount a cdrom do mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom, or "see cd-rom", or 'grep hd /var/log/dmesg' 'ln -s /dev/hd{a,b,c,d} /dev/cdrom', or created with http://penguinppc.org/~eb/files/mkdevcdrom.sh |
| 15:49.07 | EvilSeed | how do i create a symlink? |
| 15:49.18 | ricky_clarkson | EvilSeed: man ln |
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| 15:49.23 | Kimmy | Excuse me, does anyone have IBM Viavoice working on debian please? |
| 15:49.26 | EvilSeed | . /proc/ide/hdc/media:cdrom |
| 15:49.26 | EvilSeed | . /proc/ide/hdd/media:cdrom |
| 15:49.41 | jarango | what's the most common way of implementing a timer in Unix ? signals ? |
| 15:49.55 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Kimmy about anyone |
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| 15:50.35 | Kimmy | scarynetworkguy: Very amusing, though not helpful :( |
| 15:50.44 | scarynetworkguy | Kimmy: ask a better question |
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| 15:51.09 | EvilSeed | ln /proc/ide/hdc/media /dev/cdrom is this correct? |
| 15:51.10 | pme | like, a particular issue or problem... |
| 15:51.29 | jarango | I not just answer Kimmy's question instead of giving him a hard time ? |
| 15:51.37 | Kimmy | Does anyone using the IBM Viavoice Dictation product, have the /usr/bin/vvstartdictation binary? I seem to be missing it :( |
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| 15:52.06 | scarynetworkguy | Kimmy: better much better |
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| 15:52.19 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: you have two cdrom devices? is one a cd-rw? |
| 15:52.28 | malex | Where are the cupsys completed job lists stored? My users are screaming to clear them out, hehe. |
| 15:52.39 | Kimmy | I have all the other binaries e.g. vvstartaudiosetup vvstartuserguru vvstartenrollment but not this one :| |
| 15:52.45 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: no -- use 'ln -s' to create a symbolic link. 'ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrom' will work, if 'hdc' is a cdrom device. |
| 15:53.27 | Kimmy | I would be greatly indebted to anyone who could send this file to me ;\ |
| 15:53.29 | nailbiter | malex: you can clear the print queue through the web interface; just hit http://localhost:631/ on the server. |
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| 15:53.45 | [sumo] | i installed kernel and grub with apt-get and have setup grub, and when i boot up and i get "GRUB_" and it stays there. anyone assist? |
| 15:53.50 | scarynetworkguy | jarango: did you notice what happened Kimmy asked a very poor question and with just a bit of education is now asking much better questions. All in all a win for everybody |
| 15:54.09 | malex | nailbiter: I'm looking at it right now. Can't find the appropriate control... |
| 15:54.15 | Kimmy | scarynetworkguy: it's great but can anyone aswer my question ? |
| 15:55.15 | nailbiter | malex: i forget what the web interface looks like. :-P use the 'lp' tool to manage print jobs from the command line .. |
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| 15:55.33 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 15:55.33 | scarynetworkguy | Kimmy: that I don't know. I certainly can't. With a product tha specific if no one can just at the moment you may want to wait a few hours and try again. |
| 15:55.40 | thoreauputic | [sumo]: you ran grub-install? |
| 15:55.47 | [sumo] | thoreauputic: yes |
| 15:55.52 | nailbiter | Kimmy: this might not be the best place to seek help for ibm's speech recognition product .. perhaps ibm themselves host a user forum? |
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| 15:56.02 | Kimmy | nailbiter: possibly |
| 15:56.05 | Kimmy | nailbiter: thanks |
| 15:56.19 | pme | Kimmy: is this in a debian package? |
| 15:56.21 | ribnitz | the build servers for mips, mipsel, arm, powerpc and m68k are known to be slower? |
| 15:56.52 | nailbiter | ribnitz: m68k especially is lagging. :) |
| 15:57.30 | ribnitz | nailbiter: my last m68k build took like 16 hours. |
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| 15:57.47 | nailbiter | ribnitz: :) think of how long it'd take to build 'kdebase' |
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| 15:57.54 | EvilSeed | ugh issues |
| 15:57.56 | googliac | Why would eterms be slow? |
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| 15:58.08 | scarynetworkguy | googliac: bloat? |
| 15:58.11 | nailbiter | googliac: don't turn on transparent backgrounds. :) |
| 15:58.11 | Kimmy | pme: no it;s not |
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| 15:58.16 | sgeigerbot | googliac: google "eterm slow" |
| 15:58.21 | EvilSeed | what is the dvd file system type |
| 15:58.34 | Kimmy | sadly their product is discontinued so it may be difficult |
| 15:58.35 | pme | Kimmy: ick, that would have helped... no ideas then, sorry. |
| 15:58.36 | sgeigerbot | EvilSeed: bob2 suggested UFS |
| 15:58.37 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: udf, usually. to double-check, stick the disc in and do a 'file - </dev/cdrom' |
| 15:58.41 | bob2 | no I didn't |
| 15:58.42 | sgeigerbot | EvilSeed: UDF, I mean. |
| 15:58.43 | bob2 | I said UDF |
| 15:58.46 | sgeigerbot | bob2: ^^^ |
| 15:58.50 | bob2 | and you don't need it to watch dvds, afaik |
| 15:58.52 | ribnitz | nailbiter: no, 6 hrs, sorry |
| 15:58.59 | nailbiter | ribnitz: which package was this? |
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| 15:59.01 | googliac | sgeigerbot: I'd rather get a vasectomy with a weed whacker, an enema with a garden hose, slam my nose in a car door, have a proctologist named Dr. Hook, watch Roseann Barr do a strip-tease. |
| 15:59.05 | bob2 | EvilSeed: put dvd in. mplayer dvd://1. enjoy. |
| 15:59.06 | sgeigerbot | EvilSeed: mplayer or xine |
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| 15:59.19 | sgeigerbot | EvilSeed: we told you this 5-10 minutes ago. |
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| 15:59.32 | ribnitz | nailbiter: htdig |
| 15:59.40 | sgeigerbot | 404 Error: Understanding Not Found |
| 15:59.43 | ribnitz | nailbiter: 3.2.0b5 |
| 15:59.47 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: mounting dvd movie discs is not the recommended way of watching them; you might want to follow bob2's suggestion instead and use a dedicatedp layer that groks the on-disk format. :) |
| 15:59.52 | nailbiter | ribnitz: that's horrible |
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| 16:00.15 | ribnitz | nailbiter: new 3.16-8 takes like 20-25 M to build only |
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| 16:00.48 | SeBsZ | im having a sasl problem. My mail log says "unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2: no such file or directory" but when I check , that file exists and i made the owner of it postfix, and the group postfix and i even chmodded it 777, but it keeps giving me that error |
| 16:01.04 | nailbiter | ribnitz: well, i guess m68k processors aren't getting any faster .. |
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| 16:01.34 | bob2 | SeBsZ: unchroot master |
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| 16:01.52 | googliac | SeBsZ: May I suggest googling for the error message? |
| 16:02.01 | ribnitz | nailbiter: personally I don't care.. |
| 16:02.06 | SeBsZ | bob2, what? |
| 16:02.12 | sgeigerbot | googliac: I'd rather get a vasectomy with a weed whacker, an enema with a garden hose, slam my nose in a car door, have a proctologist named Dr. Hook, watch Roseann Barr do a strip-tease. |
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| 16:02.25 | bob2 | SeBsZ: unchroot the "master" postfix daemon |
| 16:02.29 | bob2 | SeBsZ: /etc/postfix/master.cf |
| 16:02.35 | bob2 | SeBsZ: any howto you read will tell you this |
| 16:02.35 | nailbiter | ribnitz: i'm surprised the powerpc builds are lagging, though .. |
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| 16:03.19 | SeBsZ | bob2, in the list, next to smtp under chroot(yes) there is a little dash |
| 16:03.24 | poxy | can a sparcclassic move 1MB/s from one nic to another nic? |
| 16:03.32 | googliac | sgeigerbot: I jump off the Sears Tower head first onto a thumb tack or I'd rather bait a crocodile with my man-hood. |
| 16:03.40 | greycat | sgeigerbot: you have the hots for Roseann Barr? Odd. |
| 16:03.44 | EvilSeed | is there a way to get linux to automatically try to figure out and mount this damned dvdrom drive? |
| 16:03.44 | bob2 | SeBsZ: indeed, change it to no |
| 16:03.46 | ninja_ | mmm, okay i give up. i have iptables --log-level=warn and all the console lines commented out in syslog-ng.conf. i used /etc/init.d/(klogd|syslog-ng) restart and i'm still getting iptables info all over the console. |
| 16:03.59 | bob2 | EvilSeed: you don't need to mount it |
| 16:04.06 | EvilSeed | ? |
| 16:04.11 | bob2 | EvilSeed: stop ignoring the help everyone is giving you |
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| 16:04.16 | bob2 | are you stupid or trolling? |
| 16:04.21 | bob2 | you run a dvd player program. |
| 16:04.22 | bob2 | it does it all |
| 16:04.24 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: thanks for the visual. Now I'm going to have scrub my brain with steel wool. :) |
| 16:04.25 | bob2 | Enjoy! |
| 16:04.33 | EvilSeed | bob2 I am.. it gives me error |
| 16:04.41 | bob2 | EvilSeed: so tell us the error |
| 16:04.43 | bob2 | in #flood |
| 16:04.48 | bob2 | instead of randomly guessing at what to do |
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| 16:05.25 | EvilSeed | xine: input plugin cannot open MRL [dvd:/] cannot find /dev/dvd |
| 16:05.33 | bob2 | um |
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| 16:05.35 | peterS | EvilSeed: ln -s cdrom /dev/dvd |
| 16:05.37 | bob2 | and does /dev/dvd exist? |
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| 16:06.27 | EvilSeed | dev/dvd is there |
| 16:06.31 | EvilSeed | its blue |
| 16:06.33 | jetscreamer | EvilSeed, xine has a configurator script try running it... or check script, something like that |
| 16:06.35 | EvilSeed | wutever that means |
| 16:06.42 | EvilSeed | jetscream how do u run it? |
| 16:06.49 | bob2 | EvilSeed: ls -ld /dev/dvd | tail -n1 |
| 16:06.54 | bob2 | paste that in here |
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| 16:07.15 | EvilSeed | ls -ld /dev/dvd | tail -n1 |
| 16:07.15 | EvilSeed | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Jul 8 02:58 /dev/dvd -> /dev/cdrom |
| 16:07.45 | SeBsZ | bob2, ok, i changed it to no. Now i dont get any error, it just says warning SASL login authentication failed. Does that mean the password is wrong? |
| 16:07.55 | bob2 | SeBsZ: I don't know |
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| 16:08.04 | EvilSeed | keep in mind in shell i SU'd to root |
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| 16:08.30 | SeBsZ | bob2, also, my mail client is asking for a username, a password and a domain... what would they be? |
| 16:08.42 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 16:08.44 | EvilSeed | jetscreamer i say that to make sure I can use it under my other username if i set it up in root |
| 16:08.45 | bob2 | SeBsZ: no idea, I don't use your mail client |
| 16:08.52 | bob2 | SeBsZ: you need a howto |
| 16:09.08 | Lennart | SeBsZ: uhm... wild wild guess... the pop3 username/pass and popserver from your ISP ? :) |
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| 16:09.21 | archpollux | hi |
| 16:09.40 | archpollux | can someone tell me how i can increase the network capability of a server machine which receives a LOT of concurrent connections? |
| 16:09.51 | SeBsZ | anyway, another mail info log tells me this error: "SASL authenti\cation faulure: no secret in database" what could that mean? |
| 16:09.52 | EvilSeed | jetscreamer d00d im new to linux so gimmi a break |
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| 16:10.17 | xsdg | !dict d00d |
| 16:10.17 | ninja_ | !d00d |
| 16:10.17 | dpkg | i guess d00d is a dude, but in hax0r skript |nn|+, or asking a lot of questions today |
| 16:10.18 | dpkg | could not find definition for d00d |
| 16:10.26 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: first, make sure the cdrom device is owned by group 'cdrom'. "chgrp cdrom /dev/cdrom" |
| 16:10.29 | xsdg | ninja_: beat ya :o) |
| 16:10.31 | jetscreamer | EvilSeed, i was just wondering i don't want to get in bob2's way he knows more than me |
| 16:10.35 | pme | archpollux: buy better hardware. If there were an easy knob to "turn up capacity", the default would already be all the way up. |
| 16:10.36 | ninja_ | xsdg: :p |
| 16:11.01 | bob2 | EvilSeed: ls -ldL /dev/dvd | tail -b1 |
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| 16:11.05 | bob2 | er, tail -n1 |
| 16:11.06 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: then, add yourself (and every other user you want to give playback rights) to group cdrom. "adduser bozo cdrom" "adduser fubar cdrom" |
| 16:11.43 | EvilSeed | k says im already a member so thaz g00d |
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| 16:12.08 | jetscreamer | EvilSeed, long as you're there check /dev/cdr* while you're at it |
| 16:12.10 | Nomentero | hi |
| 16:12.26 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: ok. now, as yourself, test that you can read from the cdrom device. "file - </dev/cdrom" |
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| 16:12.37 | EvilSeed | cdrom cdrom1 |
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| 16:12.49 | EvilSeed | cd cdrom |
| 16:12.49 | EvilSeed | bash: cd: cdrom: Not a directory |
| 16:12.55 | jetscreamer | i meant just as an aside on your own later |
| 16:12.59 | lrojas | hi all |
| 16:13.16 | pme | archpollux: start with multiple network cards, perhaps. Or there might be a variant of that QuadFastEthernet card that Sun makes for sparc systems, for example. |
| 16:13.21 | lrojas | hmm i find odd that gvim is not in the apt-get tree... |
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| 16:13.25 | jetscreamer | ls -lA /dev/cdr* though |
| 16:13.37 | Nomentero | Hello |
| 16:13.39 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: no, just try "file - </dev/cdrom" -- as yourself -- to do a test read. |
| 16:13.40 | lrojas | any idea why is that so? or how can i install gvim under debian? |
| 16:13.45 | pme | lrojas: the package is named something like vim-gtk |
| 16:13.47 | EvilSeed | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root cdrom 8 Aug 3 08:54 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdc |
| 16:13.47 | EvilSeed | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Aug 3 08:54 /dev/cdrom1 -> /dev/hdd |
| 16:13.52 | lrojas | ahh, thanks |
| 16:14.02 | EvilSeed | i did it as myself and it said not a directory |
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| 16:14.06 | pme | lrojas: "apt-cache search vim" |
| 16:14.08 | jetscreamer | it's not |
| 16:14.11 | archpollux | pme: i tend to think it's about setting limits in the net sysctl interface |
| 16:14.12 | joaop | how to make grub boot windows on hdd ? |
| 16:14.18 | EvilSeed | jet screamer how do I read it? |
| 16:14.32 | pme | archpollux: okay, then, try it. |
| 16:14.34 | scarynetworkguy | joaop: read your menu.lst it is pretty clear what to do |
| 16:14.40 | archpollux | pme: syslog reports a lot of "TCP: drop request" messages |
| 16:14.56 | archpollux | pme: i did, but i'm not sure i got the right ones |
| 16:14.57 | nailbiter | joaop: check the 'chainboot' example in /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/menu.lst. |
| 16:15.07 | jetscreamer | chown root:cdrom /dev/cdr* && chown root:cdrom /dev/dvd works for me |
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| 16:15.46 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: you did what as yourself? "cd cdrom"? of course that's not going to work. |
| 16:15.59 | EvilSeed | nailbiter im new how do I access a cdrom then |
| 16:16.08 | gridline | ok i have my harddisks mounted under knoppix. Now I need to run dpkg and get it to install it's stuff on the right disk. How do I do this with chroot? or any other way. |
| 16:16.08 | EvilSeed | jetscreamer I ran that command |
| 16:16.18 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: i'm pasting this for the FOURTH time -- try: "file - </dev/cdrom" as yourself. |
| 16:16.36 | t35t0r | evilseed: go read on how to use nix |
| 16:16.38 | EvilSeed | file - </dev/cdrom |
| 16:16.38 | EvilSeed | bash: /dev/cdrom: Permission denied |
| 16:16.45 | t35t0r | hahah |
| 16:16.50 | quiri0n | What is the best IRC Client to debian gnome? The most beautiful interface |
| 16:16.59 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: okay -- so your permissions aren't set right after all. run 'groups $USER' to see whether you're in the 'cdrom' group or not .. |
| 16:17.02 | jetscreamer | quiri0n, none of them |
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| 16:17.18 | jetscreamer | they are all fugly |
| 16:17.21 | EvilSeed | yes I am |
| 16:17.23 | jetscreamer | to somebody |
| 16:17.33 | jetscreamer | ls -lA /dev/cdr* |
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| 16:17.36 | pme | this is gnome, they don't go in for "beauty"... |
| 16:17.43 | joaop | hd1 = hd3,0 ? |
| 16:17.54 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: great. now run 'groups' without arguments? that lists the groups you're _currently_ in .. |
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| 16:18.00 | jetscreamer | joaop, i think so, i'm not positive at all |
| 16:18.03 | EvilSeed | jetscreamer i ran this as my user not ROOT lrwxrwxrwx 1 root cdrom 8 Aug 3 08:54 /dev/cdrom -> /dev/hdc |
| 16:18.03 | EvilSeed | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root cdrom 8 Aug 3 08:54 /dev/cdrom1 -> /dev/hdd |
| 16:18.20 | EvilSeed | groups shows cdrom |
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| 16:18.28 | peterS | EvilSeed: what about "ls -lL /dev/cdr*" ? |
| 16:18.36 | eydaimon | why do NFS stale file handles occur? |
| 16:18.39 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: funky. :) now, can you do a 'ls -lL /dev/cdrom'? |
| 16:18.46 | t35t0r | eydaimon: cause NFS is geigh like that |
| 16:18.47 | jetscreamer | ls -lAd /dev/hdc && ls -lAd /dev/hdd |
| 16:18.49 | thoreauputic | quiri0n: expecting beauty in an IRC client is somewhat hopeful, I'd say |
| 16:18.55 | EvilSeed | Jayden@box:/dev$ ls -lL /dev/cdrom |
| 16:18.55 | EvilSeed | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 22, 0 Apr 14 2001 /dev/cdrom |
| 16:18.59 | quiri0n | jetscreamer: Pls Which then? |
| 16:19.03 | t35t0r | beauty is in the eye of the beholder |
| 16:19.14 | peterS | EvilSeed: right. chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc /dev/hdd |
| 16:19.26 | pme | eydaimon: the client is caching too much stuff; unmount and remount the NFS dir in question |
| 16:19.27 | EvilSeed | Jayden@box:/dev$ ls -lAd /dev/hdc && ls -lAd /dev/hdd |
| 16:19.27 | EvilSeed | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 22, 0 Apr 14 2001 /dev/hdc |
| 16:19.27 | EvilSeed | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 22, 64 Apr 14 2001 /dev/hdd |
| 16:19.28 | jetscreamer | and hdc |
| 16:19.47 | EvilSeed | i gotta chgrp as root immah do that now |
| 16:19.48 | jetscreamer | chown root:cdrom /dev/hdc && chown root:cdrom /dev/hdd |
| 16:19.52 | jetscreamer | sudo chown root:cdrom /dev/hdc && chown root:cdrom /dev/hdd |
| 16:19.54 | quiri0n | K, but any good client ? |
| 16:19.55 | jetscreamer | or as root |
| 16:19.59 | jetscreamer | xchat works |
| 16:20.01 | jetscreamer | gaim |
| 16:20.04 | EvilSeed | Done |
| 16:20.06 | peterS | jetscreamer: ummm. you mean chown root:cdrom /dev/hdc /dev/hdd |
| 16:20.09 | pme | quiri0n: xchat doesn't completely suck ass. |
| 16:20.10 | jetscreamer | lotsa choices, try them all |
| 16:20.13 | lrojas | how can i edit add themes to my fluxbox? |
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| 16:20.15 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: cool. try 'file - </dev/cdrom' again? |
| 16:20.25 | dondelelcaro | quiri0n: just use irssi-text. You'll be glad you did. |
| 16:20.27 | zinx | uhm |
| 16:20.31 | EvilSeed | Jayden@box:/dev$ file - </dev/cdrom |
| 16:20.31 | EvilSeed | /dev/stdin: ERROR: cannot read `(null)' (Input/output error) |
| 16:20.41 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: do you have a disc in that drive? |
| 16:20.42 | quiri0n | jetscreamer, Any like NoNameScript to mIRC? |
| 16:20.44 | scarynetworkguy | irssi is pretty damn l337 |
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| 16:20.48 | EvilSeed | Jayden@box:/dev$ file - </dev/cdrom1 |
| 16:20.48 | EvilSeed | /dev/stdin: ERROR: cannot read `(null)' (Input/output error) |
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| 16:20.53 | dondelelcaro | EvilSeed: stop repeating yourself... |
| 16:21.00 | EvilSeed | nailbiter yes i have a dvd movie in one of the drives |
| 16:21.07 | jetscreamer | peterS, ok. i didn't know that was kosher |
| 16:21.07 | lordrazix | does irssi have a gui frontend, or is it terminal only? |
| 16:21.20 | dondelelcaro | lordrazix: it's terminal only. Coincidentally, IRC is text based. |
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| 16:21.37 | EvilSeed | dondelelelcaro i have two cdrom drives |
| 16:21.39 | yevgeniy | trade? |
| 16:21.44 | dondelelcaro | ICeEyeS: this is not a warez network. Go elsewhere. |
| 16:21.46 | coachz | If I do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.6-1-686 will I get SMBFS modules also? currently I don't have smbfs. |
| 16:21.48 | EvilSeed | i was pasting the results for both |
| 16:21.52 | dondelelcaro | lordrazix: well, that's not entirely true... there's a gtk frontend... |
| 16:21.54 | pme | get the fuck outta here, ya damn warez freak. |
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| 16:21.58 | SeBsZ | i am unable to get sasl to work with postfix. I keep getting authentication errors in the mail logs. How can I have sasl use the shadow file as its database? |
| 16:22.02 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: I have a 0-day Debian 3.0r2 CD image you can have for free |
| 16:22.07 | jetscreamer | ICeEyeS, i have some goku trading cards! |
| 16:22.09 | t35t0r | EvilSeed: stick with windblows |
| 16:22.24 | EvilSeed | i want to expand to linux |
| 16:22.25 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: does the cdrom's activity light blink when you try the 'file - </dev/cdrom'? |
| 16:22.28 | lordrazix | dondelelcaro: thanks, I'll have to check it out. http://www.irssi.org for anyone else interested. |
| 16:22.31 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: well, it's now close to 700 day 3.0... |
| 16:22.41 | EvilSeed | nailbiter it does not |
| 16:22.42 | scarynetworkguy | PerfDave: hehe |
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| 16:22.43 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Hey, I had it the day it was released! |
| 16:22.50 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: but if you had a negative day 3.1... |
| 16:22.51 | peterS | dondelelcaro: ah, but r2? |
| 16:23.09 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, I don't remember when r2 was released... I'd have to visit -announce |
| 16:23.17 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: There Is No Secret Debian Sarge Release Candidate Cabal *fnord* |
| 16:23.17 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: alright -- you might first want to figure out which drive is which. install the 'eject' package, then do a 'eject /dev/cdrom' to see which drive's tray pops open .. |
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| 16:23.27 | EvilSeed | I have the eject package |
| 16:23.32 | Freak | pme: wrong answer. you'd have to say "yea, I trade debian for fedora" (or something ;) |
| 16:23.37 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: we call that "cabal" the RM and his team. |
| 16:23.38 | mechan0r | is there anything I need to do to get dhcp to give an IP my pcmcia wireless card |
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| 16:23.45 | EvilSeed | eject /dev/cdrom |
| 16:23.45 | EvilSeed | eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument |
| 16:23.52 | SeBsZ | im getting "warning blabla SASL NTLM authentication failed errors in my mail logs |
| 16:23.53 | cj | why might apt-get source be failing on some packages (specifically, libjpeg-dev, libtiff-dev and libhermes-dev)? |
| 16:23.59 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: Nah, that's the cabal that the public know about ;) |
| 16:24.04 | pme | Freak: qmail for sendmail :-) |
| 16:24.06 | Freak | EvilSeed: does /dev/cdrom point to your actual cdrom drive? |
| 16:24.21 | dondelelcaro | EvilSeed: either /dev/cdrom doesn't point to your cdrom, you don't have ide cdrom support, or your drive isn't where you think it is. |
| 16:24.22 | Freak | pme: anything for mutt! ;) |
| 16:24.23 | peterS | EvilSeed: what does this say: cat /proc/ide/hdc/driver |
| 16:24.25 | EvilSeed | i think up above we showed the links and it looked legit |
| 16:24.28 | bob2 | cj: you'd need to define "failing" |
| 16:24.33 | peterS | EvilSeed: it should say "ide-cdrom version something-or-other" |
| 16:24.37 | EvilSeed | hmm |
| 16:24.38 | EvilSeed | fuckin a |
| 16:24.55 | yevgeniy | gcc:internal compiler error:program cc1 retirned error 11 |
| 16:25.00 | EvilSeed | cat /proc/ide/hdc/driver |
| 16:25.00 | EvilSeed | ide-scsi version 0.93 |
| 16:25.01 | cj | bob2: fair enough. E: Unable to find a source package for libjpeg-dev |
| 16:25.06 | peterS | EvilSeed: ok then |
| 16:25.14 | peterS | EvilSeed: ln -fs scd0 /dev/cdrom |
| 16:25.19 | peterS | EvilSeed: ln -fs scd1 /dev/cdrom1 |
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| 16:25.30 | EvilSeed | i gotta do that as root holdup |
| 16:25.32 | SeBsZ | can someone please help me |
| 16:25.37 | yevgeniy | anybody knows what gcc error 11 means? |
| 16:25.48 | t35t0r | yevgeniy: google? |
| 16:25.48 | bob2 | cj: it's not a package |
| 16:25.51 | EvilSeed | done |
| 16:25.55 | bob2 | cj: it's a virtual package |
| 16:25.57 | lordrazix | SeBsZ: don't ask for help, just ask. |
| 16:26.05 | SeBsZ | i did allready |
| 16:26.08 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: cool. try the eject commands again? |
| 16:26.11 | pme | yevgeniy: it means you probably have bad RAM |
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| 16:26.21 | EvilSeed | holy shit that scared me hahah yeah it worked now |
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| 16:26.34 | EvilSeed | ok it ejected the dvd drive and dvd movie |
| 16:26.35 | yevgeniy | pme:you serious? |
| 16:26.36 | eydaimon | pme: is that the only reason? no timeouts ? |
| 16:26.49 | jetscreamer | peterS shoots, he scores! \o/ |
| 16:26.51 | EvilSeed | I mean the dvd drive ejected the movie bleh |
| 16:27.19 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: funky. which dvd player were you attempting to use just now? |
| 16:27.28 | EvilSeed | the dvd |
| 16:27.31 | jetscreamer | xine |
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| 16:27.35 | EvilSeed | now im on xine |
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| 16:28.03 | yevgeniy | pme:no errors this time. could it be CPU errors? |
| 16:28.05 | EvilSeed | now xine gives me an error saying "Error reading nav packet" but it shows matrix_reloaded_disc_1 in xine and the cdrom drive spins up |
| 16:28.05 | peterS | EvilSeed: if xine is expecting /dev/dvd, then you will need to create a similar link for that, if it's not already linked to /dev/cdrom or /dev/cdrom1 |
| 16:28.09 | pme | eydaimon: the problem could be any number of things, but the solution is to unmount and remount on the client. The client has file handles which are no longer mapped on the server, thus the error, "stale file handles". |
| 16:28.14 | peterS | EvilSeed: ahh, progress |
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| 16:28.39 | EvilSeed | so what is a nav packet? |
| 16:28.49 | jetscreamer | a bad burn? |
| 16:28.50 | peterS | EvilSeed: DVD navigation data. like, menus and such |
| 16:28.51 | pme | yevgeniy: no, if it segfaults one time and works later with the exact same code, it's definitely flakey hardware. Google will tell you more. |
| 16:28.53 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: that's how the dvd menuing system is encoded on-disc. |
| 16:29.00 | EvilSeed | its not a burn and it plays fine in a home system |
| 16:29.09 | EvilSeed | ok i clicked more (more info) |
| 16:29.10 | jetscreamer | j/k (well a little) |
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| 16:29.52 | yevgeniy | pme:ok thanks. I'll look for hardware stressing as weel then |
| 16:29.52 | coachz | Is there a way to use apt-get to install a new kernel AND include the smbfs modules ? |
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| 16:30.12 | jetscreamer | why wouldn't a stock kernel have those modules |
| 16:30.19 | EvilSeed | audio_decoder: error, unknown buffer type: 01060000 and 04000000 and 02000000 |
| 16:30.31 | peterS | coachz: all Debian kernels have the smbfs module |
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| 16:30.42 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: have you installed the libdvdcss2 package? it contains the decryption library needed to play movie discs .. |
| 16:30.45 | lordrazix | I'm running Sarge, a recent debian convert from gentoo. Using aptitude i can't seem to find an mplayer package. Is it named something other than mplayer, or is this something I have to install from source. If the latter, any good tutorials a tips of wisdom? |
| 16:30.51 | coachz | peterS, i'm on 2.4.21 and it's not there installed |
| 16:30.54 | t35t0r | nailbiter: that's legal? |
| 16:31.07 | jetscreamer | yeah apt-get install libdvdcss2 |
| 16:31.07 | coachz | peterS, is there an easy way to add it ? |
| 16:31.11 | peterS | coachz: I know. I'm saying, debian kernels do have it |
| 16:31.12 | nailbiter | t35t0r: it's of cloudy legality. :) |
| 16:31.16 | jetscreamer | coachz modconf |
| 16:31.22 | coachz | E: Couldn't find package libdvdcss2 |
| 16:31.28 | jetscreamer | not you |
| 16:31.29 | EvilSeed | doing |
| 16:31.33 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 16:31.34 | nailbiter | coachz: well, do a 'apt-cache search kernel-image' to see what kernel packages you can download. |
| 16:31.41 | Noid | the illegal thing would be selling you a dvd you cannot watch |
| 16:31.44 | pme | lordrazix: it's named something slightly different, but for legal reasons isn't in the debian mirrors. Put "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" in your sources.list. |
| 16:31.48 | jetscreamer | coachz use modconf and find the module and load it |
| 16:31.53 | coachz | i can get 2.6.6 |
| 16:32.09 | EvilSeed | Package libdvdcss2 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 16:32.09 | EvilSeed | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 16:32.09 | EvilSeed | is only available from another source |
| 16:32.14 | peterS | jetscreamer: umm. he's not using a debian kernel. the kernel he's got, for some reason whoever compiled it forgot to install modules or something |
| 16:32.22 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 16:32.23 | nailbiter | coachz: if that's fine with you, go ahead and install it. |
| 16:32.24 | pme | lordrazix: or search for "mplayer homepage" and read over that site's docs |
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| 16:32.38 | jetscreamer | marillat rox |
| 16:32.42 | coachz | nailbiter, just apt-get install it and nothing else ? |
| 16:32.42 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: make sure you have the marillat archive in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. |
| 16:32.47 | nailbiter | coachz: yes, that should work. |
| 16:32.57 | jetscreamer | coachz you need module-init-tools for 2.6 |
| 16:33.00 | coachz | ok, i'll be back after lunch and we'll have some fun ;-) |
| 16:33.04 | EvilSeed | nailbiter wuts the marillat archives address? |
| 16:33.18 | coachz | jetscreamer, i'll see if i can find that |
| 16:33.18 | lordrazix | pme: thanks, Im sure I can figure it out from here, thanks for the guidance. |
| 16:33.20 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: just add this line 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main' to your sources.list |
| 16:33.20 | peterS | EvilSeed: he mentioned it earlier. /lastlog nerim |
| 16:33.21 | jetscreamer | [11.31.47] <pme> lordrazix: it's named something slightly different, but for legal reasons isn't in the debian mirrors. Put "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main" in your sources.list. |
| 16:33.29 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 16:33.34 | lordrazix | :) |
| 16:33.47 | coachz | jetscreamer, i found it, do i install it now before i apt-get the new kernel ? |
| 16:34.00 | jetscreamer | coachz do both at same time |
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| 16:34.03 | gahan | how do i print all www-browser available? |
| 16:34.14 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kernel-image-blah module-init-tools |
| 16:34.37 | coachz | thank you very much |
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| 16:34.40 | coachz | lunch << |
| 16:34.43 | pme | gahan: man apt-cache |
| 16:34.55 | alpha_ | wenas |
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| 16:34.59 | gahan | pme: i thought it's apt-cache show www-browser |
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| 16:35.12 | sgeigerbot | greycat: What's odd about having the hots for Rosanne Bar? |
| 16:35.20 | t35t0r | eww |
| 16:35.22 | thoreauputic | gahan: try search instaead of show |
| 16:35.25 | jetscreamer | whoa cool /lastlog works kickass |
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| 16:35.42 | pme | gahan: if you knew that, then why are you asking? Go read the manual like I just said, and find out for certain. |
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| 16:35.51 | alpha_ | como le doy acceso a las particiones ntfs que he montado a los usuarios? |
| 16:35.58 | mrwill | !es |
| 16:35.58 | dpkg | Para los usuarios debian de habla hispaña que requieren la ayuda, ensamble por favor el canal del #debian-es -- Spanish-speaking debian users requiring support, please join #debian-es |
| 16:35.58 | jetscreamer | !spanish |
| 16:35.58 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 16:36.03 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 16:36.10 | alpha_ | ok |
| 16:36.16 | gahan | pme: i asked, 'cause apt-cache show www-browser printed nothing |
| 16:36.18 | pme | somebody needs to merge factoids... |
| 16:36.19 | t35t0r | haha |
| 16:36.20 | greycat | sgeigerbot: most bots don't care for hoomans. |
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| 16:36.35 | mrwill | jetscreamer, mine was 2 letters, slightly quicker.. |
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| 16:36.57 | thufir | Hello! :) |
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| 16:37.10 | jetscreamer | i have arthritis... yeah, that's it |
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| 16:37.22 | jetscreamer | hawat? |
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| 16:37.42 | prahal_ | has anyone ever tried to use nvidia glx and dri at the same time (i have an ati agp and nvidia pci) |
| 16:38.00 | thufir | I have a problem with a soundcard.... It is a Intel i810 AC97. Im using the alsa system but i can not get it to work :/ sombody that could help me ? |
| 16:38.12 | timlarson_ | what would make ncurses display slightly garbled? |
| 16:38.18 | jetscreamer | load ac97_codec also |
| 16:38.25 | prahal_ | i do not get why nvidia-glx broke dri as utah-glx wasn t in old times |
| 16:38.27 | thufir | jetscreamer, i have.. :( |
| 16:38.28 | mrwill | thufir: yes, what have you tried and what fails? |
| 16:38.34 | jetscreamer | oh |
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| 16:38.42 | EvilSeed | ok i know i suck, but i just tried using vim when I was su |
| 16:38.45 | timlarson_ | as in when selecting from a list it leaves chars behind, highlights the wrong chars, etc. |
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| 16:38.54 | jetscreamer | i just needed that and i810_audio and it worked... oh alsa... sorry |
| 16:38.55 | prahal_ | timlarson_: echo $TERM ? |
| 16:38.56 | EvilSeed | and it wasnt going well wuts another decent text editor command line |
| 16:39.07 | pme | thufir: I've never been able to get onboard sound working with alsa. Disabling it in BIOS and dropping in a working card from another system is going to be my eventual solution, when the lack of sound annoys me enough. |
| 16:39.17 | timlarson_ | echo $TERM says linux |
| 16:39.20 | mrwill | jetscreamer: yeah, he needs the alsa driver, like snd_i810 I think, but not sure. |
| 16:39.21 | thoreauputic | EvilSeed: nano |
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| 16:39.47 | thufir | pme, well.... im using a IBM Thinkpad r51 :S |
| 16:39.51 | jetscreamer | i have yet to get alsa to work on anything. a live cd can get it to work on my systems, but i personally am owned by alsa |
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| 16:40.07 | g4lt | !wuts |
| 16:40.07 | dpkg | it has been said that wuts is a combination of what's and a description of the user of such an atrocity: NUTS |
| 16:40.11 | EvilSeed | i just tried to install nano and it said "failed to fetch" |
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| 16:40.20 | pme | thufir: welcome to The Land Of the [Quite Possibly] Boned. |
| 16:40.26 | thufir | heh... |
| 16:40.26 | gridline | how do i run dpkg on a readonly filesystem? I keep getting: dpkg: unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system |
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| 16:40.34 | timlarson_ | prahal_: echo $TERM says linux, any other clues? |
| 16:40.41 | gridline | !dpkg |
| 16:40.41 | dpkg | methinks dpkg is the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 16:40.49 | mrwill | thufir: have you installed the alsa packages and run alsaconf? |
| 16:41.00 | jetscreamer | EvilSeed, as root? apt-get install nano |
| 16:41.02 | thoreauputic | EvilSeed: if you are running woody you probably have it already |
| 16:41.08 | pme | gridline: what exactly do you expect to be able to change on a readonly filesystem...? |
| 16:41.12 | jetscreamer | nano comes by default usually |
| 16:41.13 | thufir | mrwill, well... alsaconf is so wierd... i cant read what it says... |
| 16:41.24 | EvilSeed | nano |
| 16:41.24 | EvilSeed | bash: nano: command not found |
| 16:41.31 | EvilSeed | I did the apt-get as root |
| 16:41.32 | jetscreamer | weeeeuuurd |
| 16:41.32 | greycat | EvilSeed: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:41.35 | mrwill | thufir: you on stable? |
| 16:41.44 | thufir | mrwill, no unstable... |
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| 16:41.57 | EvilSeed | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:41.57 | EvilSeed | testing/unstable |
| 16:41.57 | mrwill | thufir: 2.4 or 2.6 then? |
| 16:42.02 | thufir | mrwill, using 2.6.7 |
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| 16:42.30 | snadge | when is gnome 2.8 coming out in sid? :P |
| 16:42.33 | mrwill | thufir: ok -- I'm not sure why alsaconf is screwing up, you might try apt-getting the latest version. |
| 16:42.37 | jetscreamer | EvilSeed, was this the sarge installer, or a live cd? |
| 16:43.04 | thufir | mrwill, i am using the newest.. :/ |
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| 16:43.09 | gridline | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.09 | dpkg | gridline: You are moron #33 |
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| 16:43.21 | L1L0_ | hi? |
| 16:43.30 | jetscreamer | !hi L1L0_ |
| 16:43.30 | dpkg | Many greetings, L1L0_, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 16:43.33 | gridline | i'm installing to a different filesystem then I'm installing from |
| 16:43.48 | L1L0_ | algum brasileiro? |
| 16:43.52 | mrwill | thufir: that sucks -- well, basically you need to put a certain module in your kernel, but you also need to configure your soundcard. let me look at my setup. |
| 16:43.58 | jetscreamer | #debian-ed |
| 16:43.59 | pme | gridline: haven't tried that myself under debian, dunno what to suggest next. |
| 16:44.01 | fflush | L1L0_: nao |
| 16:44.05 | thoreauputic | !portuguese |
| 16:44.05 | dpkg | i heard portuguese is the most beautiful idiom of the world, or #debian-br, or por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:44.08 | fflush | L1L0_: #debian-br |
| 16:44.10 | L1L0_ | fflush :( |
| 16:44.10 | ChrisW | deos apache 1.3.26-0woody5 have mod_ssl in it? |
| 16:44.12 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 16:44.14 | jetscreamer | -br |
| 16:44.17 | EvilSeed | jet it was knoppix latest ver |
| 16:44.37 | jetscreamer | EvilSeed, oops sorry i asked i thought about saying 'don't answer that' |
| 16:44.45 | timlarson_ | any idea what would cause ncurses to get garbled in a fresh woody install? installed via redhat rescue cd -> expand root.bin -> add in debootstrap and run it. |
| 16:44.49 | ChrisW | and if not, what's the best way to get apache with ssl on Debian? |
| 16:44.50 | prahal_ | gridline: this problem (readonly) appears on my box when i got too much disk failures , the kernel remount my partition read only to avoid complete f*** up |
| 16:45.08 | EvilSeed | jet thats bad? |
| 16:45.15 | mrwill | thufir: the driver you want is intel-8x0 -- try modprobe intel-8x0 |
| 16:45.17 | timlarson_ | s/get garbled/display garbled/ |
| 16:45.23 | EvilSeed | brb restroom |
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| 16:45.31 | nailbiter | timlarson_: possibly a misset TERM environment variable? try setting TERM to 'vt100' first, as a safe choice .. |
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| 16:46.08 | nailbiter | ChrisW: probably the 'libapache-mod-ssl' package |
| 16:46.09 | thufir | mrwill, well... it is compiled in |
| 16:46.11 | thufir | :/ |
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| 16:46.40 | timlarson_ | nailbiter: that fixes the garbling, but eliminates line-drawing chars :| |
| 16:46.48 | mrwill | thufir: do you have any other sound modules loaded? you might still have oss modules, like i810 or something similar. |
| 16:46.48 | ChrisW | nailbiter: will that squish my current apache setup if I install it? |
| 16:46.55 | EvilSeed | back |
| 16:47.27 | nailbiter | timlarson_: you're getting messed-up debconf menus? i'd suggest running 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf', then choosing the 'readline' backend for now .. |
| 16:47.31 | EvilSeed | so jet is knoppix bad? |
| 16:47.43 | thufir | mrwill, no... no modules.. |
| 16:47.45 | nailbiter | ChrisW: no. it'll just install a new module (mod_ssl), which you can enable at your pleasure |
| 16:47.54 | mechan0r | is there anything I need to do to get dhcp to give an IP my pcmcia wireless card |
| 16:47.56 | ChrisW | cool, thanks |
| 16:47.57 | mrwill | EvilSeed: knoppix is not bad, but it is not debian, common source of confusion. |
| 16:48.07 | ChrisW | just occasionally, debian rocks ;-) |
| 16:48.20 | EvilSeed | mrwill people tell me its based on debian so wut is the major differences between knoppix after hd install and debian |
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| 16:48.39 | timlarson_ | nailbiter: Yes, that is the problem, but the "readline" idea seems like a hack, any other ncurses app will still have problems. |
| 16:48.53 | mrwill | EvilSeed: a major difference is that it uses a lot of different sources for it's packages. |
| 16:48.57 | ChrisW | thanks nailbiter :-) |
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| 16:49.04 | timlarson_ | I thought "linux" was the normal setting? |
| 16:49.06 | EvilSeed | mrwill ahh |
| 16:49.12 | Seth2010 | hi, I am with a problem in pppoe: RP-PPPoE plugin version 3.3 compiled against pppd 2.4.2. Any clue? |
| 16:49.18 | nailbiter | timlarson_: yes, it is. i'm not sure why it's not working too well, though .. |
| 16:49.20 | EvilSeed | mrwill so that messes things up I guess |
| 16:49.25 | thufir | mrwill, would it help using oss instead of alsa ? |
| 16:49.29 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 16:49.29 | dpkg | <sgeigerbot> Ungy: Do you think I'm some kind of morong? |
| 16:49.30 | prahal_ | timlarson_: you may try export TERM=xterm of you use it in X, else i would need more info on what s wrong |
| 16:49.32 | jetscreamer | oss rox |
| 16:49.38 | mrwill | EvilSeed: well, for being debian, yes, but for being knoppix, no. |
| 16:49.39 | nailbiter | timlarson_: are the line drawing characters themselves appearing as garbage? or are they just shifted slightly off-position? |
| 16:49.50 | paladin__ | dpkg: author |
| 16:49.50 | dpkg | paladin__: are you smoking crack? |
| 16:49.51 | EvilSeed | hmm |
| 16:49.54 | mrwill | thufir: depends, do you just want basic sound, or something more complex? |
| 16:49.57 | dan2 | nailbiter: did you order some of that coffee? |
| 16:49.59 | jetscreamer | oss "Just Works"(TM) |
| 16:50.11 | timlarson_ | prahal_: I am sitting at the console, not using X. What info would you need? |
| 16:50.12 | mrwill | jetscreamer: not with serious audio apps, it doesn't |
| 16:50.16 | nailbiter | dan2: no -- cafuego pointed me at a local coffee shop. :) |
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| 16:50.25 | thufir | mrwill, well... playing some games.... hearing mp3 files... watching movies.... ? |
| 16:50.25 | dan2 | nailbiter: *sigh* |
| 16:50.26 | DbD- | - |
| 16:50.37 | mrwill | thufir: well, oss is probably fine for that. |
| 16:50.46 | EvilSeed | is there another text editor other than vi vim and nano? |
| 16:50.51 | EvilSeed | thats common |
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| 16:50.54 | paladin__ | who runs dpkg? |
| 16:50.55 | dan2 | nailbiter: well next time you are in Santa Cruz you'll know why its better |
| 16:50.58 | DbD- | hello |
| 16:51.00 | dan2 | EvilSeed: emacs@ |
| 16:51.01 | nailbiter | dan2: oh well. :) my loss, i guess .. |
| 16:51.02 | dan2 | emacs!!! |
| 16:51.05 | EvilSeed | k |
| 16:51.26 | ribnitz | dan2: vim !! |
| 16:51.27 | mrwill | thufir: but you will have to take intel-8x0 out of your kernel, I think. |
| 16:51.27 | mrwill | EvilSeed: joe, perhaps |
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| 16:51.39 | ninja_ | !owner |
| 16:51.39 | dpkg | dondelelcaro |
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| 16:51.43 | thufir | mrwill, why ? isnt that the driver ? |
| 16:51.44 | dan2 | ribnitz: vip-mode in emacs == vim in emacs :) |
| 16:51.50 | prahal_ | timlarson_: 1) do you use unstable , testing or stable ? |
| 16:51.53 | mrwill | thufir: for alsa, yes. not for oss. |
| 16:51.58 | timlarson_ | prahal_: For example, if I run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data", with TERM=linux, then it shows a capital J with a caret on top in front of the "Configuring Console-data" header. |
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| 16:52.07 | ribnitz | dan2: yep. sensibnle professionals know both. :) |
| 16:52.08 | mrwill | thufir: these are two different sound systems. |
| 16:52.12 | timlarson_ | prahal_: stable woody |
| 16:52.19 | timlarson_ | +security |
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| 16:52.33 | EvilSeed | ok big question here.. is there like a runas command? lets say im su'd as root i need to edit a file id like to do it with kwrite as root but x windows wont accept anything when im su'd from root and im having a hell of a time running anything like vim and vi and emacs is gui so it errors |
| 16:52.34 | thufir | mrwill, well... i just thougt that a driver was a driver... :) |
| 16:52.43 | mechan0r | how do I tell dhclient the address of the dhcp server |
| 16:52.43 | dan2 | walter1: are you a bot? |
| 16:52.51 | prahal_ | timlarson_: then do you use framebuffer, bash ? |
| 16:52.52 | zeier | in KDE,I've made my console full-screen. What's the shortcut for making it appear as a window application? |
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| 16:53.01 | mrwill | mechan0r: shouldn't have to do that, broadcast protocol. |
| 16:53.01 | Kbyte | EvilSeed: su, sux or gksu |
| 16:53.17 | nailbiter | timlarson_: could you doing a 'unicode_start' at the console? (or, if console unicode's already turned on, 'unicode_stop'?) does that fix the ncurses line-drawing? |
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| 16:53.31 | EvilSeed | root@box:/etc/apt# gksu |
| 16:53.31 | EvilSeed | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 16:53.31 | EvilSeed | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 16:53.37 | mrwill | thufir: well, a driver is a driver, but there are different drivers for alsa and oss because they are different sound systems. |
| 16:53.49 | timlarson_ | prahal_: I am not knowingly using framebuffer, unless the seems-to-be-text-mode redhat rescue mode uses it. yes, using bash. |
| 16:54.00 | thufir | mrwill, okay :) |
| 16:54.02 | zeier | does anyone know the shortcut for switching a window fullscreen? |
| 16:54.11 | mrwill | zeier: in what environment? |
| 16:54.12 | EvilSeed | alt-enter? |
| 16:54.15 | zeier | KDE |
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| 16:54.27 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: no -- you'd run 'gksu' or 'sux' _as_ the user to be able to start X applications as root. |
| 16:54.37 | timlarson_ | nailbiter, prahal_: unicode_stop fixed it. |
| 16:54.38 | EvilSeed | oh ok |
| 16:54.50 | timlarson_ | nailbiter: prahal_: tnx for the help. |
| 16:55.02 | EvilSeed | ok that freakin r0x thx nail |
| 16:55.03 | zeier | alt-enter doesn't work. (cplay is running in fullscreen) |
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| 16:55.20 | Nosf3ratu | zeier, control center -> regional & something or other -> keyboard shortcuts |
| 16:55.21 | thufir | mrwill, do u know if you can prevent kde from locking the soundcard? |
| 16:56.07 | mrwill | thufir: have run into this problem before. The problem is artsd, the KDE sound server -- when KDE starts it starts and tries to monopolize the sound card. |
| 16:56.32 | gridline | WOOHOOO, reinstalled coreutils on system that lost it! Now for everythign it depends on |
| 16:56.33 | mrwill | thufir: you might try changing it to 'threaded oss' in the sound driver section of the control panel. |
| 16:56.35 | nailbiter | thufir: you can have your apps route audio through arts instead. |
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| 16:56.54 | taz | does anyone know about device mapping?? |
| 16:57.02 | mrwill | thufir: that's another good idea, but not all apps will have arts support. Most major ones do, though. |
| 16:57.13 | nailbiter | thufir: alternately, you can have arts release the sound device when it's idle. |
| 16:57.23 | vegai | chmod -x `which artsd` is my solution =) |
| 16:57.24 | zeier | okay, I think I've to explain it more detailed. In Workspace 1 (Arbeitsfläche 1) I ran cplay in windowed (console) mode. A friend of mine switched it somehow into fullscreen mode. Using ctrl-tab brings me to workspace 2, which I am using to ask you, how to change this. |
| 16:57.32 | thufir | nailbiter, cool |
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| 16:57.34 | thufir | thx :) |
| 16:57.36 | zeier | s/ran/can |
| 16:58.10 | Nosf3ratu | zeier, I have no idea what cplay is, but try either F11, F, or Ctrl-Shift-F on it. |
| 16:58.21 | mrwill | zeier: semi-blindly guessing, one of the F-keys, maybe. |
| 16:58.52 | vegai | cplay is a console frontend to music players |
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| 16:59.44 | mrwill | vegai: like your solution, i hate artsd too |
| 16:59.46 | lrojas | is there a directory i can make inside ~/.fluxbox that will allow me to store my custom themes in? |
| 16:59.50 | EvilSeed | hey is this correct for the sources list for apt-get deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main |
| 16:59.56 | gridline | Bye guys, Later. |
| 16:59.57 | EvilSeed | is there supposed to be a space |
| 17:00.03 | EvilSeed | by unstable anr marillat |
| 17:00.10 | mrwill | lrojas: sure, there is actually supposed to be one in there. |
| 17:00.12 | Nosf3ratu | zeier, right click on the window, then...if it's running in konsole...deselect the full screen option. |
| 17:00.17 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: that looks about right. 'deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main' |
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| 17:00.20 | zeier | tried everything you said, but still no chance. May there be a problem because cplay (a console mp3 player) assigns the return or alt-gr-return key to another action than kde does? |
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| 17:00.26 | EvilSeed | its wiggin for sum reason |
| 17:00.26 | lrojas | there is none int here mrwill |
| 17:00.50 | EvilSeed | W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 17:00.50 | EvilSeed | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 17:00.50 | EvilSeed | E: Package libdvdcss2 has no installation candidate |
| 17:00.50 | mrwill | lrojas: mine is called ~/.fluxbox/styles, think I made it myself when I started installing themes. |
| 17:00.51 | timlarson_ | pkg-version-1 is means newer than pkg-version-(without extra #), right? |
| 17:00.58 | maitscha | hallo, is it possible to give a process only, e.a. 50 % of processor capacity? |
| 17:01.06 | timlarson_ | it is not a pre-release indicator, right. |
| 17:01.09 | lrojas | i have only init, keys and menu |
| 17:01.14 | mrwill | maitscha: have you tried nice? |
| 17:01.17 | zeier | there is no window, becaue at the moment, there's fullscreen mode enabled. @ Nosf... |
| 17:01.36 | maitscha | mrwill: nice only changes the process priority. |
| 17:01.38 | Nosf3ratu | zeier, i know that. right click IN THE WINDOW. Not the title bar/etc. |
| 17:01.49 | Nosf3ratu | zeier, is it running inside of konsole or what? What app? |
| 17:02.01 | nailbiter | timlarson_: dpkg --compare-versions ver1 \< ver2 && echo ver2 is newer |
| 17:02.15 | EvilSeed | hey anyone willing vnc to my box and help me with this mess? |
| 17:02.37 | nailbiter | EvilSeed: did you run 'apt-get update' before attempting to install libdvdcss2? |
| 17:02.42 | Nosf3ratu | EvilSeed, you don't need vnc to fix that. |
| 17:02.57 | EvilSeed | nail no but ive done apt-get update before and it seemed to fuck things up |
| 17:03.09 | EvilSeed | im doing it again |
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| 17:03.33 | EvilSeed | oh wait i ran apt-get upgrade before l0l |
| 17:03.34 | prahal__ | timlarson_: did you get my last messages, was disconnected |
| 17:03.34 | EvilSeed | my bad |
| 17:03.47 | EvilSeed | update yeah its going now.. thx |
| 17:04.03 | zeier | okay. MORE detailed. (I know this seems to be a silly question). First I ran xterm. Then I started cplay. Someone put this window into fullscreen mode. Cplay recognizes the alt-gr-return sequence as a cplay, not a kde action. So no chance using it. (even THE F1-F12 KEYS DON'T WORK) |
| 17:04.28 | nailbiter | prahal__: he ran 'unicode_stop'; that seemed to cure it. :) |
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| 17:05.11 | timlarson_ | prahal__: I got the framebuffer (not knowingly), bash (yes) message, and nailbiter suggested unicode_stop which fixed the problem. thx to you both. |
| 17:05.20 | Nosf3ratu | zeier, hit escape. hit something. try 'killall xterm' |
| 17:05.28 | zeier | found the solution. ALT+F3 helped me out. Thanks anyway... |
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| 17:05.34 | Nosf3ratu | it's just about the most inconsequential "problem". |
| 17:05.42 | taz | does anyone know about device mapping?? |
| 17:05.58 | nailbiter | taz: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:06.00 | EvilSeed | okay nail it looks like its installing libdvdcss2 now |
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| 17:06.24 | ShawnLaptop | hrm. did debian unstable/testing become '3.1' ? |
| 17:06.26 | prahal__ | nailbiter: wtf is unicode_* , that s cool stuff ! |
