| 00:00.01 | chris__ | is a DS-3 45Mbps upstream plus 45Mbps downstream, or a total of 45Mbps between the two? |
| 00:00.14 | paddy | Ether_Sakura, but the kernel worked nicely before - why should a driver be missing after i just copied it to the new install |
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| 00:00.21 | versuchsanstalt | maxim: what does lspci say about your sound card? |
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| 00:00.29 | Zetabyte | guys - I'm running a debian sid box as a iptables firewall/router machine, and I'd like to implement some sort of QoS or bandwidth limiting for certain types of connections - anyone know of an iptables module or some sort of addin that can manage that? |
| 00:00.35 | Ether_Sakura | paddy: modules perhaps? |
| 00:00.36 | versuchsanstalt | maxim: bla bla bla multimedia device bla bla... |
| 00:00.50 | paddy | Ether_Sakura, there are no modules. its all compiled into the kernel |
| 00:01.02 | paddy | Ether_Sakura, or is there a possible issue with System.map? |
| 00:01.08 | michal | blah.. i might have to patch the agp code in the kernel too :/ |
| 00:01.59 | Ether_Sakura | paddy: dont know.. Im not that into kernel things.. I just know that missing driver had the same affect on me once and I thought mabie that was the same for you.. |
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| 00:02.27 | RoNiS | when i try do make a dist-upgrade in my system, it try to remove some packages, like kdelibs4-dev, is it right? |
| 00:02.30 | oskie | Zetabyte: it's called QoS and it's not part of iptables AFAIK. if you build your own kernel, look for QoS in network settings |
| 00:02.30 | maxim | versuchsanstalt :I'm using ALSA yes |
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| 00:02.47 | paddy | Ether_Sakura, thanks! |
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| 00:03.02 | Acertou | alguem do brasil ai |
| 00:03.03 | versuchsanstalt | maxim: ok, then unload all the modules that you know belong to the sound device, and give it a try with alsaconf |
| 00:03.11 | michal | does anyone know how much fbdev code has changed between 2.4.x and 2.6.x ? |
| 00:03.31 | maxim | versuchsanstalt :Mult. audio controller :nvidia corp. Unknown devices (rev c1) |
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| 00:04.30 | versuchsanstalt | maxim: i see. so now we know it's an nvidia card. hmmm. never had one, presumably onboard... |
| 00:04.37 | versuchsanstalt | maxim: try alsaconf |
| 00:04.37 | Zetabyte | cool, thanks for the info, oskie |
| 00:04.37 | michal | i'm almost tempted to try blindly porting intelfb :/ |
| 00:05.32 | versuchsanstalt | maxim: ever tried booting a live distro on that machine, such as Knoppix or DeMuDi or Apodio, or Dynebolic? |
| 00:06.11 | bohan | haha, is that a joke.. i'm reading the debian package maintainer guide and i see "As an example, I'll use a program called `gentoo', an X GTK+ file manager." |
| 00:06.32 | versuchsanstalt | maxim: if the sound works with a live cd, you could find out about the modules using lsmod, then try to load these on your installed system... |
| 00:06.34 | maxim | versuchsanstalt :yes it's onboard AC97, and it should be supported by kernel, I have module compiled for that |
| 00:06.41 | versuchsanstalt | maxim: i see. |
| 00:06.45 | woodyst | bohan: it's right. it was done before gentoo distribution |
| 00:06.59 | bohan | heh |
| 00:07.16 | versuchsanstalt | maxim: if you know the model (mainboard docs?), what does google say? |
| 00:07.16 | maxim | versuchsanstalt :I don't think I can unload modules |
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| 00:07.26 | Weeble | is it pronounced jen-too or ghen-too ? |
| 00:07.34 | versuchsanstalt | maxim: man modprobe, man rmmod, man lsmod |
| 00:08.01 | versuchsanstalt | Weeble: the latter. |
| 00:08.10 | versuchsanstalt | Weeble: no, the other way round |
| 00:08.22 | maxim | versuchsanstalt :I don't understand that question about model:I found in google the exact module that is confirmed to work with this codec |
| 00:08.22 | versuchsanstalt | does it matter? |
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| 00:08.43 | Weeble | well I actually speak to people sometimes |
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| 00:08.48 | Weeble | I'd like to know how to say it |
| 00:08.51 | michal | god damn.. opendiff on mac is the best graphical diff program ever :P |
| 00:08.55 | woodyst | maxim: nforce audio is a VIA AC97 |
| 00:09.18 | michal | well actually it's FileMerge.. but you can open it with the Terminal command opendiff |
| 00:09.51 | gmoriz | how can I low level copy only those blocks, that are not in badblock list (generated by badblocks) from a partition to a file? |
| 00:09.57 | maxim | yes I said it's an ac97 |
| 00:10.47 | woodyst | maxim: what kernel do you use? |
| 00:10.49 | mascote | Are there anybody who know to configure the LTSP? |
| 00:11.02 | maxim | woodyst:2.6.7 |
| 00:11.31 | mascote | I configure the parameter SOUND = Y at lts.conf file, but the sound is on at the server instead the client ! What I have to do? |
| 00:11.46 | lino | This project is looking for a Debian mantainer: http://orsa.sourceforge.net -- If you feel you can contribute, please contact the author. Thanks. |
| 00:11.56 | woodyst | you can modprobe snd-via82xx |
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| 00:13.24 | maxim | versuchsanstalt:I'm supposed to use module for intel8x0 |
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| 00:13.43 | michal | hmm.. i'm compelled to think that the linux kernel is simply a bit behind the changes made by intel to agp and its drivers.. it doesn't seem copyrighted |
| 00:13.45 | versuchsanstalt | maxim: try woodyst's advice |
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| 00:14.02 | woodyst | maxim: try modprobe snd-via82xx |
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| 00:14.08 | petemc | why would you load a via driver on a nvidia motherboard? |
| 00:14.11 | versuchsanstalt | maxim: i am sorry, i don't know well about this card in particular, and onboard sound in general... :-( |
| 00:14.13 | woodyst | maxim: then do dmesg |
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| 00:14.39 | petemc | michal: you need the intext8x0 driver |
| 00:15.07 | michal | petemc: me? why? |
| 00:15.07 | petemc | intel8x0 |
| 00:15.14 | petemc | oops |
| 00:15.16 | maxim | woodyst:not present.the module I use is snd_intelbx0 |
| 00:15.21 | petemc | maxim: intel8x0 |
| 00:15.53 | maxim | sorry, snd_intel8x0, thanks |
| 00:15.56 | woodyst | maxim: can you do lspci -n and tell me about the vendor and product ids? |
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| 00:16.03 | petemc | snd-intel8x0 |
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| 00:16.52 | woodyst | maxim: what's the problem. is it no sound? the module do not load? ...? |
| 00:17.07 | maxim | class 0600: 10de:01e0 (rev)c1 |
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| 00:17.20 | maxim | woodyst:no sound, no mixer |
| 00:17.49 | maxim | woodyst:c1 is the revision of my NForce NB |
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| 00:19.00 | woodyst | maxim: what says dmesg |
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| 00:19.11 | nuge | anybody else here just love shorewall? |
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| 00:19.54 | woodyst | maxim: have you tried aumix? |
| 00:20.13 | hacim | what actually excutes what is in /etc/network/interfaces? I've changed it and ran /etc/init.d/networking restart but it doesn't pick up the changes |
| 00:20.15 | muppo | what was that good site that you could pejst on pejstbin.com ? |
| 00:20.26 | michal | reboot time again.. bbl |
| 00:20.31 | hacim | muppo: pastebin.com |
| 00:20.33 | maxim | woodyst:yes, error opening mixer |
| 00:20.50 | muppo | oh thx |
| 00:20.53 | muppo | =) |
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| 00:21.12 | nuge | hacim, when you use ifup and ifdown |
| 00:21.16 | woodyst | maxim: /msg me with dmesg output from module loading |
| 00:21.18 | hacim | nuge: it doesn't change |
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| 00:21.27 | hacim | nuge: ifdown --all; ifup --all doesn't do a dang thing |
| 00:21.37 | nuge | it should |
| 00:21.43 | hacim | nuge: I agree! |
| 00:21.53 | hacim | nuge: on boot the changes are put in |
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| 00:23.06 | nuge | hacim, hmmm not sure then, that's how it works on my system |
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| 00:23.10 | nuge | oh |
| 00:23.19 | hacim | oh? |
| 00:23.20 | nuge | do yoiu have 'auto' in front of the interfaces you are talking about? |
| 00:23.24 | maxim | woodyst:that's probably the module detecting my sound card |
| 00:23.36 | hacim | nuge: no, iface eth0 inet static |
| 00:23.48 | nuge | try: ifup eth0 |
| 00:24.21 | peterS | hacim: no you also need a line "auto eth0" separate from that one |
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| 00:24.56 | hacim | nuge: ifup only works if I down the interface first |
| 00:25.02 | hacim | peterS: so the auto eth0 needs to be there? |
| 00:25.11 | woodyst | maxim: where you got the driver? |
| 00:25.20 | peterS | hacim: "auto eth0" is a separate line, which means "bring up eth0 at boot time" |
| 00:25.23 | maxim | woodyst:kernel module |
| 00:25.31 | nuge | hacim, yep you need auto if you want it to be 'auto'matically brought up |
| 00:25.34 | peterS | hacim: you still need the "iface eth0 inet static" and so forth, separately |
| 00:25.35 | woodyst | maxim: alsa or other? |
| 00:25.36 | nuge | it means bring it up whenever ifup is called |
| 00:25.40 | hacim | ok right |
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| 00:26.21 | vapo | hello all.. |
| 00:26.34 | hacim | anyone know why I get "add bridge failed: Operation not supported" when doing brctl addbr br0, even though the bridge module is loaded? |
| 00:26.44 | maxim | woodyst alsa |
| 00:27.03 | woodyst | maxim: when i look for the id's i find the nforce chipset, not sound one. are you sure these id's are from the sound device? |
| 00:27.32 | vapo | how can i tell what it is i need to install X via apt-get?? there are a few things that come up with a apt-cache search.. |
| 00:28.42 | Ether_Man | Anyone know how to change language on apt? it changed to swedish when I changed to Testing sources and upgraded but I really want things like apt to still be in english |
| 00:28.46 | versuchsanstalt | vapo: try apt-cache search KEYWORD | cut -d\ -f1 | xargs apt-cache show | less |
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| 00:29.11 | andres | configuring the x system which card should i choose if i have araGE 128 PROULTRA GL AGP? |
| 00:29.28 | versuchsanstalt | vapo: naaah, install x-window-system, maybe |
| 00:30.09 | woodyst | maxim: have you tried modinfo snd-intel8x0 |
| 00:30.18 | versuchsanstalt | vapo: or try tasksel |
| 00:30.25 | woodyst | maxim: there are some parameters to play with |
| 00:30.27 | maxim | woodyst:I use the module from devices->sound->alsa->->PCI devices-> Intel8x0/mx440; Sis7012; Ali 5455; NForce Audio; AMD768/8111 |
| 00:30.38 | Caelum | modinfo looks nifty |
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| 00:30.59 | taz_ | I have been trying to get dmsetup to link to partitions together I have a table but it won't add the device clean. any help on the syntax? |
| 00:31.05 | andres | hello havinga problem configuring the x system and running kde help anyone? |
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| 00:31.23 | Caelum | andres: what sort of problems, what's in your log, etc. |
| 00:31.31 | andres | my log? |
| 00:31.39 | andres | caelum im a newbie |
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| 00:32.04 | andres | i just installed debian in my friend's box and i cant get it to run kde |
| 00:32.18 | versuchsanstalt | andres: /var/log/XFree86.* |
| 00:32.22 | andres | i tried reconfigure x but still the same |
| 00:32.35 | maxim | woodyst:no I didn't add any parameters |
| 00:32.45 | versuchsanstalt | andres: look for lines starting with EE marking errors |
| 00:33.00 | andres | ok |
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| 00:34.22 | andres | xf860openserial: can not open device /dev/input/mice no such device thats one |
| 00:34.39 | woodyst | maxim: to rmmod it do rmmod -f snd-intel8x0 |
| 00:34.43 | andres | generic mouse: can not open input device |
| 00:34.55 | taz_ | andres set up mouse |
| 00:35.00 | versuchsanstalt | andres: ok. so X does not find a mouse where its config tells it there'd be one. |
| 00:35.11 | andres | preinit failed for input device "generic mouse" |
| 00:35.21 | maxim | woodyst:I can't |
| 00:35.36 | versuchsanstalt | andres: probably /dev/psaux, if your mouse is connected to the auxiliary ps/2 port |
| 00:35.37 | maxim | woodyst:kernel doesn't support |
| 00:35.57 | peterS | andres: what kernel version? |
| 00:36.01 | woodyst | maxim: because you have other modules loaded that depend from this one |
| 00:36.08 | peterS | andres: that's /dev/input/mice which is the 'mousedev' kernel module, in any case |
| 00:36.13 | andres | ok so ill start xf86config |
| 00:36.16 | peterS | andres: the question is whether you need this or not |
| 00:36.21 | woodyst | maxim: try rmmod this first |
| 00:36.24 | Ether_Man | Anyone know how to change language on apt? it changed to swedish when I changed to Testing sources and upgraded but I really want things like apt to still be in english |
| 00:36.27 | andres | i need to run kde |
| 00:36.47 | woodyst | maxim: try "/etc/init.d/alsa stop" first |
| 00:37.07 | maxim | woodyst:kernel doesn't have unload support |
| 00:37.07 | andres | 2.kernel version: 2.2.20-idepci |
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| 00:37.25 | woodyst | maxim: why? it's very useful |
| 00:37.26 | taz_ | andres What kind of mouse do you have?? |
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| 00:37.32 | Zetabyte | !root |
| 00:37.32 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 00:37.46 | andres | 2 buttons and a little wheel in the middle |
| 00:38.05 | eye69 | Anybody using Jabber? Just want to test communication so that the server's working properly. |
| 00:38.13 | maxim | woodyst:probably didn't notice this option |
| 00:38.31 | andres | ps2 |
| 00:38.32 | woodyst | maxim: can you recompile it with unloading support enabled? |
| 00:38.44 | woodyst | eye69: I want to test jabber too |
| 00:38.49 | andres | taz: ps2 2 buttons wheel in the middle |
| 00:39.05 | peterS | andres: you can comment out the 'Generic Mouse' declaration in the "ServerLayout" section of your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, if you wish |
| 00:39.13 | woodyst | maxim: i will close and reconnect from X |
| 00:39.25 | eye69 | woodyst: So install for instance 'gabber' and add an account on jabber.org |
| 00:39.28 | maxim | woodyst:ok |
| 00:39.40 | andres | peterS: how do i commenteit? |
| 00:39.46 | andres | editing? |
| 00:39.46 | woodyst | eye69: allright. i disconnect and then connect from X |
| 00:40.00 | pmcdonnell | I'm running sarge, and I want to install the "crack functions" of PHP. How can I do this? or are they installed by default? |
| 00:40.07 | peterS | andres: look for the line near the bottom of your XF86Config-4 file: InputDevice "Generic Mouse" |
| 00:40.16 | peterS | andres: put a "#" character in front of that line, then save it |
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| 00:42.04 | vapo | hrmm.. i just did an apt-get install xserver-xfree86 and it went through fine, but 'startx' doesnt kick off X.. |
| 00:42.29 | versuchsanstalt | vapo: what does it do instead, brew coffee? |
| 00:42.39 | vapo | says command not found... |
| 00:42.44 | vapo | so not even.. |
| 00:42.47 | vapo | ;) |
| 00:42.57 | Nurbs | install x-window-system-core |
| 00:43.02 | _rene_ | vapo: because startx is in xbase-clients |
| 00:43.12 | _rene_ | you probably want to install x-window-system-core |
| 00:43.13 | Nurbs | or at least xbase-clients, but preferably x-window-system-core or x-window-system |
| 00:43.18 | andres | how di open that file? |
| 00:43.31 | andres | peterS: how do i open that file? |
| 00:43.42 | vapo | does x-window-system include the -core part? |
| 00:43.49 | _rene_ | vapo: yes |
| 00:43.54 | vapo | sweet.. |
| 00:43.56 | Nurbs | yes, but also some stuff that you might not need, such as xdm |
| 00:43.57 | peterS | andres: with your favorite text editor. use 'nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' if you don't have any preferences |
| 00:44.02 | versuchsanstalt | vapo: apt-cache search startx would tell you that startx is in xbase-clients, btw |
| 00:44.15 | woodyst | eye69: i am connecting |
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| 00:44.21 | vapo | ohh. thats how that works.. |
| 00:44.22 | eye69 | woodyst: Ok. |
| 00:44.34 | andres | this is a fresh installation i gues ill install nano first |
| 00:44.46 | woodyst | eye69: how can i know my jabber id? |
| 00:45.30 | eye69 | woodyst: username@server |
| 00:45.37 | Ether_Man | Has anyone ever gotten this when running an apt-get install? dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 1: |
| 00:45.37 | Ether_Man | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.37 | Ether_Man | eas: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 00:46.35 | simonrvn | Ether_Man: run a dselect update |
| 00:46.39 | woodyst | eye69: woodyst@jabber.org |
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| 00:47.23 | jcole_deb | andres: X -configure |
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| 00:47.44 | t-jack | Gotta go... Slow-moving storm comi |
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| 00:48.08 | andres | wait up im rebooting my system crash |
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| 00:49.00 | andres | is arge better than woody? |
| 00:49.11 | Zetabyte | depends on what your using it for, andres |
| 00:49.16 | woodyst | maxim: how is your sound? |
| 00:49.16 | andres | music |
| 00:49.31 | versuchsanstalt | !demudi |
| 00:49.31 | dpkg | hmm... demudi is Debian Multimedia Distribution (http://www.demudi.org) DeMuDi is maintained and documented by the AGNULA project (http://www.agnula.org) |
| 00:49.36 | maxim | woodyst:compiling |
| 00:49.37 | pmcdonnell | Quick question - could someone point me to the docs on using apt-get source and compiling packages from source? Just dpkg's tidbit will sufice... |
| 00:49.45 | Zetabyte | woody is stable - it hasn't had a critical bug in over 1.5 years. it also hasn't had many updates. |
| 00:50.00 | woodyst | andres: woodyst is more stable and sarge has more software and later versions |
| 00:50.10 | Zetabyte | sarge is "testing" - it's the next candidate for stable |
| 00:50.10 | woodyst | maxim: ok |
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| 00:50.22 | andres | ic dpkg is saying something about demudi what is that ? |
| 00:50.29 | Zetabyte | of course, debian's definition of "unstable" is about 400 times more stable that microsoft's stable. |
| 00:50.30 | maxim | I've heard a long time ago sarge wasn't to be out at all |
| 00:50.33 | versuchsanstalt | andres: if you are interested in producing music with a Debian based system, maybe try DeMuDi |
| 00:50.40 | andres | no |
| 00:50.42 | andres | lol |
| 00:50.50 | versuchsanstalt | andres: ok, i see. |
| 00:50.59 | andres | just wanna play music in my gigs im sort of a mp3j |
| 00:51.01 | Zetabyte | sid is the newest - the least stable debian - but also the newest, with the best support |
| 00:51.01 | andres | u know |
| 00:51.19 | jcole_deb | pmcdonnell: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -b |
| 00:51.23 | Zetabyte | if i were you, i'd run sid (unstable) with a 2.6.7 kernel |
| 00:51.27 | Zetabyte | has the best compatibility. |
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| 00:51.38 | versuchsanstalt | DeMuDi is a distribution especially for musicians and multimedia artists. it's based on Debian testing, but has optimized packages, kernels, etc |
| 00:51.47 | Zetabyte | but if you had server uses in mind, i would say maybe sarge, or for production-quality servers, woody. |
| 00:51.52 | andres | too proffesional 4 me |
| 00:51.55 | vapo | Zetabyte, even for laptops? |
| 00:51.58 | taz_ | andres sid rules |
| 00:52.01 | versuchsanstalt | andres: i see. |
| 00:52.01 | andres | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.08 | pmcdonnell | jcole_deb, could you point me to somemore detailed docs? I want to customize the configure command, etc. |
| 00:52.09 | Zetabyte | best thing for laptops is knoppix |
| 00:52.13 | andres | and get exeptional sound of course |
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| 00:52.21 | Zetabyte | start there, to get configurations figured out |
| 00:52.26 | vapo | !knoppix |
| 00:52.27 | dpkg | methinks knoppix is a bootable CD with a demo distribution, based mostly on Debian testing. It has almost 2GB in compressed volume, works in memory not touching harddisks by default, autodetects hardware and starts a prepared KDE session. Can be installed on harddisk later. URL: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html, http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/knoppix.php, /join #knoppix for knoppix-specific stuff. Not Debian but similar. |
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| 00:52.40 | mshaffer | What's the file that logs the boot up messages? syslog? |
| 00:52.51 | g4lt | mshaffer dmesg |
| 00:53.01 | mshaffer | thanks |
| 00:53.02 | Zetabyte | knoppix has AMAZING hardware support - it autodetects more hardware than any distro i've ever heard of, and fits 2GB of packages on a single, standard, live CD |
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| 00:53.21 | woodyst | Zetabyte: try discover under debian |
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| 00:54.00 | versuchsanstalt | ... and there's even a DeMuDi flavor of knoppix available - all with optimized packages, hooray. </shameless plug> |
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| 00:54.05 | SysGod | can I ask a question about a differant distro? |
| 00:54.17 | andres | i just open nano |
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| 00:54.18 | Zetabyte | discover? is that what knoppix uses to detect hardware? or something simmilar? |
| 00:54.19 | g4lt | SysGod you'll get laughed at |
| 00:54.32 | directhex | knoppix has its own detection app |
| 00:54.33 | SysGod | I will get laughed at anyways |
| 00:54.37 | andres | theres a blinking cursor i dont see no lines that say "generic mouse" |
| 00:54.42 | Zetabyte | ah |
| 00:54.45 | SysGod | its a stupid problem that I feel I should be able to solve |
| 00:55.09 | vapo | hrmm, im considering it for this laptop.. |
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| 00:55.23 | mshaffer | Hmm.. dmesg doesn't have the whole thing, just like the first half of the boot sequence |
| 00:55.27 | scarynetworkguy | SysGod: just ask already |
| 00:55.35 | woodyst | Zetabyte: it finds modules for your hardware looking for the id's that outputs lspci |
| 00:55.44 | vapo | but i just went to debian, and ive been busting my hump getting shit to work.. heh i would hate to go 'the easy way' when im almost done.. |
| 00:55.50 | maxim | rebooting |
| 00:55.55 | woodyst | maxim: ok |
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| 00:56.08 | andres | peterS: ij ust open nano onli a blinking cursor dont see any lines |
| 00:56.11 | soth` | anyone here use the openbox package on sarge? |
| 00:56.12 | simonrvn | ffs, ip6 dns works, just lame ass fn look ups suck (probably the ones i'm conneting to are using ip6.int still) |
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| 00:56.26 | peterS | andres: I didn't just say "nano", I said "nano /etc/X11/XF86Config-4" |
| 00:56.32 | SysGod | allright thanks man I just got xandros 2.01 ocee and the installer is running a loop its an hdd scussi error but I have scussy turned off in the bios somthing like "scuzzi should send 4000 getting 8000" somthing like that |
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| 00:56.42 | andres | i typed all that |
| 00:56.47 | pmcdonnell | I need to make a custom .dpkg file (I need to do a custom compile of PHP4). However, the machine I want to install it on does not have all of the libraries and tools needed to compile it. I was wondering if I could compile it on a different machine, generate a .dpkg, and then install on the web server? |
| 00:56.50 | Zetabyte | if you can get debian working - i feel it's more robust than knoppix. unfortunatly, for many laptops (i.e. especially dell and more proprietary ones) the only distro you can easily get working is knoppix. |
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| 00:57.00 | andres | i sse the tilte of the file in the middle of the screen but theres no lines |
| 00:57.21 | simonrvn | SysGod: first of all, learn how to type and trying to sound l33t, you're not. number 2, /join #xandros |
| 00:57.52 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: of course you can |
| 00:57.59 | SysGod | I am there but they are not too talkative |
| 00:58.03 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, can you point me to some docs as to how? |
| 00:58.09 | simonrvn | so be patient |
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| 00:58.28 | nailbiter | pmcdonnell: have a look at pbuilder. :) it's designed to safely build packages with lots of source dependencies in a chroot .. |
| 00:58.35 | andres | peterS: oh upper case upper case matters he? |
| 00:58.38 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: what is it you're trying to build? |
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| 00:58.41 | peterS | andres: yes |
| 00:58.52 | simonrvn | andres: of course it does, it's UNIX |
| 00:58.53 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, PHP4 with support for "crack functions" |
| 00:59.04 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: crack functions? |
| 00:59.05 | pmcdonnell | nailbiter, I'll investiage that |
| 00:59.21 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, crack, as in checking the strength of passwords |
| 00:59.23 | sussudio | PHP4-crackwhore? |
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| 00:59.29 | andres | sorry i just commented it how di save and exit? |
| 00:59.40 | g4lt | simonrvn no, it's not UNIX. UNIX is trademarked by SCO, and I doubt Debian would touch SCO with a 100' pole... |
| 00:59.44 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: nods. i wasn't sure. doesn't debian's come with that, or some module? |
| 01:00.00 | simonrvn | g4lt: see if i care what sco thinks |
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| 01:00.19 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, afaik, no it doesn't |
| 01:00.24 | moriarty | 'evening all. I don't understand the debian menu system, nor the docs about it I've found on debian.org. is there a dumbed-down version of it somewhere? |
| 01:00.24 | woodyst | !sco |
| 01:00.24 | dpkg | [sco] :P, or http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2914132,00.html -- nice article by Richard Stallman, or "All your unix are belong to us", or http://humorix.org/articles/2003/12/answers/, or "Smoking Crack Organisation" -- Linus Torvalds: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=108529494402563&w=2 |
| 01:00.25 | Thoth | Is there a reason Debian doesn't give you a http/ftp sources.list once it installs? |
| 01:00.25 | g4lt | simonrvn it isn't what SCO thinks, it's associating Debian with those chimps |
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| 01:00.34 | Thoth | WHere can I go to obtain a sources.list that I Can use to download from the net? |
| 01:00.40 | simonrvn | g4lt: i see your point, understood |
| 01:00.42 | Thoth | The one under the base install is all on the cdrom |
| 01:00.47 | Thoth | and I don't want those packages |
| 01:00.50 | Nurbs | Thoth: apt-setup |
| 01:00.57 | Thoth | thanks |
| 01:01.07 | andres | peterS: sorry i just commented it how di save and exit? |
| 01:01.08 | Thoth | I've been trying to install gentoo for 3 days |
| 01:01.12 | Thoth | and it screws up horribly |
| 01:01.13 | woodyst | Thoth: try apt-cdrom too |
| 01:01.16 | Thoth | so I'm going ot debian |
| 01:01.21 | peterS | andres: 'nano' has clues at the bottom of the screen. I think it is Ctrl-O |
| 01:01.28 | andres | sorry |
| 01:01.30 | Thoth | I used debian for 2 years some time ago |
| 01:01.31 | pmcdonnell | Thoth, gentoo can be tricky, but, then again, so can debian |
| 01:01.37 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: check the debian/rules file to see if it's just some ./configure option (./configure --help | less) |
| 01:01.39 | Thoth | I need a quick distro that doesn't take lots of compiling |
| 01:01.46 | andres | that little ^ is ctrl? |
| 01:01.57 | Thoth | pmcdonnell: yeah. I stopped using debian because I had to upgrade a vulnerable package from an unstable source tree, and my whole system b0rked |
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| 01:02.03 | Thoth | since I've used slack on the main servers (and freebsd) |
| 01:02.05 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: if it is, then you're in luck, and you just edit the debian/rules file, run the script, and you'll have some .debs |
| 01:02.09 | Thoth | so I'm trying debian again on my new lappy |
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| 01:02.31 | andres | ok is edited run the x config now? |
| 01:02.35 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, its not in there |
| 01:02.39 | moriarty | anyone here understand the debian-menu system? how would I pass command line arguments to a certain program? aterm in particular |
| 01:02.41 | ziplok | hello |
| 01:02.47 | peterS | andres: that should fix your one warning about the generic mouse |
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| 01:02.55 | peterS | andres: as for what else is wrong with your X config, I do not know |
| 01:03.09 | pattern | how do i generate a bare linefeed on the command line? i can do "CONTROL-V ENTER" or "CONTROL-V CONTROL-M", and that'll generate a CR+LF, but how can i generate just a bare LF? |
| 01:03.12 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: it might just be some external module, check out the php.net site, or check with the php maintainer |
| 01:03.16 | andres | ok so the next step is to run the nx configuration? |
| 01:03.21 | vapo | is it possible that Xserver is not using the fine /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?? im changing my res and stopping and restarting X but it doesnt go up past 1024x768.. and even that looks a little 'bigger' than usual.. |
| 01:03.24 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: debian DD i mean |
| 01:03.37 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, according to the PHP docs, I need to add --with-crack[=DIR] when I do ./configure for PHP |
| 01:03.49 | peterS | andres: the next step is to figure out what your actual errors are |
| 01:03.59 | peterS | andres: you can read the file /var/log/XFree86.0.log to see those |
| 01:04.04 | woodyst | pattern: i think you have to put simply <ENTER> |
| 01:04.07 | andres | ok |
| 01:04.23 | pattern | woodyst, no, that generates CR+LF |
| 01:04.24 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: that just means you need the cracklib-dev stuff |
| 01:04.40 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, right, but I still have to be able to re-compile PHP |
| 01:04.44 | woodyst | pattern: CR+LF? in UNIX? |
| 01:04.56 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: so just do that; add that to the ./configure part of the debian/rules file |
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| 01:05.09 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: apt-get source php4 |
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| 01:05.42 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, but my problem is, I want to build it on a separate machine - one that already has all the -dev packages and compiler tools, etc installed |
| 01:05.44 | ScatterBrain | Anyone here using BitchX? |
| 01:05.45 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: then apt-cache search for the -dev stuff you need |
| 01:06.02 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: the 2 machines are the same arch? |
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| 01:06.06 | woodyst | pattern: i think with echo -e "\n" you generate a LF without CR ("\r") |
| 01:06.06 | scarynetworkguy | ScatterBrain: fewer and fewer all the time thank Loki |
| 01:06.09 | pattern | woodyst, CONTROL-V gives you the literal of whatever the next character is... and CONTROL-V ENTER gives CR+LF |
| 01:06.13 | simonrvn | ScatterBrain: #bitchx is |
| 01:06.14 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, ones a AthlonXP, ones a P4 |
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| 01:06.26 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: shouldn't matter, still the same arch |
| 01:06.30 | pmcdonnell | right |
| 01:06.36 | vapo | is it possible that Xserver is not using the fine /etc/X11/XF86Config-4?? im changing my res and stopping and restarting X but it doesnt go up past 1024x768.. and even that looks a little 'bigger' than usual.. |
| 01:06.43 | woodyst | pattern: when i put CTRL |
| 01:06.43 | ScatterBrain | scarynetworkguy, LOKI? |
| 01:06.53 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: so whatare you worried about then? go do it ;) |
| 01:06.59 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, so can I build PHP on the p4, make a dpkg, and install it on the AthlonXP? |
| 01:07.07 | simonrvn | yes, of course |
| 01:07.12 | pmcdonnell | how? |
| 01:07.13 | woodyst | pattern: CTRL-V ENTER i get M |
| 01:07.21 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: scroll up |
| 01:07.22 | pattern | woodyst, actually i think just "echo ''" will do it |
| 01:07.23 | scarynetworkguy | ScatterBrain: yes |
| 01:07.31 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, to the pbuilder thing? |
| 01:07.34 | [a-Gentoo-Zealot | Hey, can anyone help me compile Kde on Gentoo |
| 01:07.38 | pattern | woodyst, since echo puts in a linefeed anyway |
| 01:07.47 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: i never metioned pbuilder |
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| 01:07.59 | tcsetattr | what is woodyst trying to do? |
| 01:08.04 | simonrvn | no idea |
| 01:08.14 | versuchsanstalt | [a-Gentoo-Zealot: wait, i think my mother could, gotta ask her... hang on |
| 01:08.15 | ScatterBrain | I like it well enough... |
| 01:08.17 | nailbiter | pmcdonnell: if you're doing it simonrvn's way, you don't need pbuilder. :) just do a 'apt-get build-dep php4' on the build machine to fetch all php4's source dependencies first, then do a 'apt-get source php4' to grab and unpack the php4 sources themselves. |
| 01:08.19 | ScatterBrain | but this morning.... |
| 01:08.32 | ScatterBrain | it went bonkers, refusing to connect to any server. |
| 01:08.39 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, nailbiter, ok I think I got it figured out -- thanks |
| 01:08.42 | simonrvn | ScatterBrain: try #bitchx |
| 01:08.50 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: np |
| 01:08.51 | ScatterBrain | I'm there too... |
| 01:09.07 | mrluring | What is wrong when i got a Cpu 0: Machine Check Exception 00000000000000004 Bank2: f60020000000017a at 000000001fb0ec0 Kernel Panic |
| 01:09.08 | woodyst | pattern: see Readline patterns in man bash |
| 01:09.24 | simonrvn | mrluring: sounds like a kernel oops |
| 01:09.27 | moriarty | vapo, second message of XFree86.0.log should tell you what's up |
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| 01:09.35 | scarynetworkguy | ScatterBrain: I think simonrvn meant something more along the lines of "we hate bitchx and could give a shit about your problems with it" |
| 01:09.41 | cievo | all..hello ! |
| 01:09.42 | mrluring | simonrvn: kernel ops ? |
| 01:09.42 | versuchsanstalt | a-Gentoo-Zealot: no, sorry. she says she's too busy watching openoffice.org compile. |
| 01:09.50 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: nah, i was being polite |
| 01:09.53 | vapo | thanks |
| 01:09.57 | simonrvn | mrluring: oops, not ops |
| 01:10.07 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: that is why I translated it into "dumbass" :) |
| 01:10.07 | mrluring | simonrvn: and what is oops ? |
| 01:10.09 | mrluring | :) |
| 01:10.10 | ziplok | hate bitchx? why? |
| 01:10.14 | simonrvn | mrluring: a fairly serious kernel error |
| 01:10.30 | mrluring | simonrvn: ok when i reboot i got CNC error |
| 01:10.32 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: you silly person :P |
| 01:10.35 | scarynetworkguy | ziplok: goddamned bitchx spam for starters |
| 01:10.39 | pattern | woodyst, do you mean readline notation, initialization, keybindings or variables? there doesn't seem to be a "readline patterns" section |
| 01:10.40 | simonrvn | mrluring: CRC error? |
| 01:10.41 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: I know :) |
| 01:10.50 | mrluring | simonrvn: yes CRC sorry :) |
| 01:10.50 | ziplok | erf :) |
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| 01:11.14 | a-Gentoo-Zealot | Debian sucks, Gentoo rocks, but i'm really more of a Redhat man myself |
| 01:11.17 | cievo | all..If I want to select lines from file I would go cat whatever | grep whatiwannachose, but how do I do thing that I want to show everything EXCEPT "som string" ?!?!?! |
| 01:11.18 | maxim | woodyst:ok I've ran alsaconf, but got errors |
| 01:11.24 | simonrvn | mrluring: file a bug report to lkml, the kernel source should have a 'BUGS' file telling you how to do it |
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| 01:11.31 | woodyst | pattern: see inputrc |
| 01:11.38 | ziplok | a-Gentoo-Zealot how productive is it |
| 01:11.46 | simonrvn | a-Gentoo-Zealot: *yawn*. go away |
| 01:11.48 | mrluring | simonrvn: ok :) |
| 01:12.14 | simonrvn | cievo: grep -v, man grep |
| 01:12.18 | mrluring | simonrvn: and if i cant boot it anymore ? :) |
| 01:12.18 | moriarty | hm, this is just a single-user machine, is there some way to disable the debian-menu system? |
| 01:12.24 | ziplok | blah |
| 01:12.25 | cievo | simonrvn thnkx |
| 01:12.28 | ziplok | bye all |
| 01:12.29 | mrluring | simonrvn: any hardware crash ? |
| 01:12.30 | simonrvn | mrluring: try to boot to your backup kernel |
| 01:12.32 | woodyst | maxim: alsaconf is prepared for alsa packages from alsa-source (debian package with prepared modules). So you may be using other version of alsaconf that the one you need |
| 01:12.35 | pattern | woodyst, thanks for your help |
| 01:12.45 | Thoth | is there software like mirrorselect that selects the fastest mirrors for you? |
| 01:12.53 | mrluring | simonrvn: same shit |
| 01:12.53 | maxim | woodyst:that's right |
| 01:12.56 | Thoth | Cause these http resources under the install are pretty slow |
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| 01:13.00 | woodyst | pattern: i don't know if i've been useful |
| 01:13.00 | moriarty | Thoth, netselect |
| 01:13.04 | andres | im stiil getting errors with the mouse i have conected this mouse to a switcher would that matter? |
| 01:13.06 | Thoth | fastest one I can find is 14 kB/s |
| 01:13.09 | Thoth | moriarty: ah |
| 01:13.18 | woodyst | maxim: try loading modules by hand |
| 01:13.20 | simonrvn | moriarty: make an equivs (apt-get install equivs) for the menu package, install it, done |
| 01:13.21 | moriarty | Thoth, have to give it a list of args though, it's not automagic |
| 01:13.27 | Thoth | oh |
| 01:13.30 | Thoth | can you give it a filename? |
| 01:13.35 | maxim | woodyst:I've jsut spent 5 minuts unloading them |
| 01:13.37 | simonrvn | moriarty: might need to remove menu first |
| 01:13.40 | scarynetworkguy | andres: very well could be. I've had problems with cheap KVM switches and X |
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| 01:13.54 | a-Gentoo-Zealot | i love the wwow (wonderful world of windows) |
| 01:13.56 | woodyst | maxim: try /etc/init.d/alsa stop |
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| 01:13.57 | simonrvn | moriarty: there's some packages that dep on it |
| 01:13.58 | moriarty | simonrvn, menu is a package? |
| 01:13.58 | andres | thats what i got a kvm switch 4 port |
| 01:14.00 | simonrvn | !ops |
| 01:14.00 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 01:14.04 | simonrvn | moriarty: yes |
| 01:14.18 | scarynetworkguy | andres: quick and easy way to test is to try it without |
| 01:14.21 | helix | simonrvn: yes? |
| 01:14.21 | moriarty | simonrvn, ok, thanks... check into menu package, check into equivs package... gotit |
| 01:14.25 | helix | ah |
| 01:14.32 | simonrvn | helix: troll -> a-Gentoo-Zealot |
| 01:14.37 | helix | I see |
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| 01:14.43 | maxim | alsa stopped |
| 01:14.45 | andres | scarynetworkguy; I WILL RIGHT NOW LETS C |
| 01:14.49 | simonrvn | helix: thanks |
| 01:14.49 | andres | oops sorry |
| 01:15.06 | woodyst | maxim: try modprobe snd-intel8x0 and then dmesg |
| 01:15.17 | taz_ | maxim is there /dev/dsp ?? |
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| 01:15.43 | scarynetworkguy | !c |
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| 01:16.39 | maxim | woodyst:ALSA sound/pci/intel8x0.c:2882: joystick(s) found |
| 01:16.40 | woodyst | maxim: see taz_'s suggestion: is there /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer? |
| 01:16.53 | maxim | taz_:no :/ |
| 01:16.55 | thomas_adam | !d |
| 01:16.55 | dpkg | hmm... d is uninterruptible sleep (usually IO), or a letter of the alphabet |
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| 01:17.18 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: now your just making fun :) |
| 01:17.20 | woodyst | maxim: cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV sound |
| 01:17.25 | thomas_adam | helix: ! |
| 01:17.37 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, just out of curiosity, what do I need to specify as "DIR" in --with-crack=DIR -- I installed cracklib2-dev |
| 01:17.38 | helix | thomas_adam: oi, any news? |
| 01:17.40 | woodyst | taz_: good job! |
| 01:17.46 | thomas_adam | helix: :'( |
| 01:17.51 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: usually /usr suffices |
| 01:17.54 | helix | thomas_adam: :/ |
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| 01:18.02 | taz_ | does anyone know the syntax for the table when using dmsetup for a linear disk?? |
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| 01:18.14 | maxim | woodyst: doh, I think I did that |
| 01:18.18 | simonrvn | taz_: the docs do, or google it |
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| 01:18.18 | thomas_adam | helix: I'm going to try and sleep now. Wish me luck. :) |
| 01:18.26 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: good luck |
| 01:18.28 | woodyst | maxim: aumix? |
| 01:18.30 | thomas_adam | Ta. |
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| 01:18.34 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: good luck |
| 01:18.39 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, great, thanks |
| 01:18.40 | thomas_adam | toodles. |
| 01:18.53 | helix | thomas_adam: buena suerte :) |
| 01:18.53 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: :) |
| 01:19.10 | thomas_adam | Morning. |
| 01:19.18 | taz_ | simonrvn have but of course its in RH hands they don't even have a howwto |
| 01:19.20 | thomas_adam | I joke... |
| 01:19.25 | thomas_adam | Bed. |
| 01:19.28 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: hehe |
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| 01:19.45 | simonrvn | taz_: good luck then |
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| 01:19.53 | thargor`mcl | hi |
| 01:20.06 | thargor`mcl | anyone how can help me with bootcd? |
| 01:20.29 | vapo | whats a recomended textbased irc client? im running epic4 but its a bit much, and bitchx is a little i dunno old shool.. :P |
| 01:20.33 | andres | scarynetworkguy; do i have to replace the kb also and conect the monitor straight to the box and not the switch? |
| 01:20.51 | andres | cause my mouse ain moving now the new one |
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| 01:20.58 | woodyst | vapo: i like bitchx |
| 01:21.00 | scarynetworkguy | andres: if it was me I'd start with everything plugged into the box yes |
| 01:21.05 | sleazegr1nder | vapo: irssi |
| 01:21.07 | andres | ok |
| 01:21.13 | mshaffer | Is there any way to log everything during bootup? |
| 01:21.15 | andres | im taking a break |
| 01:21.16 | thargor`mcl | i have 45 computers here and they won't boot from cds, which work in my own machine |
| 01:21.18 | ec | vapo: irssi-text |
| 01:21.23 | andres | come back with a fresh mind |
| 01:21.30 | mshaffer | dmesg ends before the part I need (pcmcia drivers loading) |
| 01:21.39 | woodyst | mshaffer: kerneld (/var/log/messages) |
| 01:21.45 | taz_ | simonrvn I am sure they will teach you for your right arm |
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| 01:22.17 | andres | whats the last kernel the command line would be apt-get install kernel??????? |
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| 01:22.42 | scarynetworkguy | andres: search on http;//packages.debian.org |
| 01:22.54 | pmcdonnell | thargor`mcl, usually means you have to edit a bios setting |
| 01:23.23 | sbk | vapo: as sleazegr1nder and ec said, I like irssi. I used to use ircII, irssi is much nicer. |
| 01:23.39 | andres | that link is no good |
| 01:23.41 | Zap-W | 2 80MM fan on the back , one side 80MM fan , thermaltake silent boost CPU c0oler , 2 FANS inside the PS ..one GPU fan , and 55C IDLE Cpu temp |
| 01:23.43 | woodyst | vapo: bitchx has color |
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| 01:23.50 | Zap-W | why...2800+ barton |
| 01:23.52 | ec | ;/ |
| 01:24.00 | woodyst | andres: http:// not http;// |
| 01:24.04 | pmcdonnell | Zap-W, must be nice in winter ;) |
| 01:24.15 | thargor`mcl | pmcdonnell: no, they boot with w2k disks, and the debian bootcd works in my and other machines, but not in shuttle and gigbyte mainboard pcs |
| 01:24.18 | scarynetworkguy | andres: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 01:24.22 | woodyst | maxim: ??? |
| 01:24.23 | vapo | i dont mind the black and white, but epic is too bland, and i really wont be scripting any time soon.. |
| 01:24.34 | scarynetworkguy | I am the Dark Lord of Typos |
| 01:24.35 | pmcdonnell | thargor`mcl, oh... don't know then, sorry |
| 01:24.49 | Zap-W | :(( |
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| 01:25.38 | woodyst | thargor`mcl: is debian what you want to boot? try cd's 2,3,4... They have different kernel images. |
| 01:25.40 | andres | dont c anything about kernels there |
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| 01:26.04 | MEon | i just install the newest kernel 2.6.7 and now my mouse doesn't work. my keyboard works when logging in, but then it doesn't seem to work once i log in either. what do i need to do? thanks |
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| 01:26.13 | thargor`mcl | pmcdonnell: do you know howto get the El Torito VD/boot-info-block in a sector lower 1024? my is in sector 6839, woodys/knopix is mutch lower |
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| 01:26.25 | scarynetworkguy | andres: did you search? |
| 01:26.28 | woodyst | MEon: what kind of mouse? |
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| 01:26.38 | pmcdonnell | thargor`mcl, no clue whatsoever -- sorry |
| 01:26.44 | MEon | PS/2 old MS gateway mouse. |
| 01:26.55 | thargor`mcl | woodyst: i have build my own small server system for gameserver and need to replicate it to 45 machines |
| 01:27.02 | andres | i just need the last part of the command apt-get install kernel.........????????? |
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| 01:27.15 | directhex | -image-2.6.7-1-686 |
| 01:27.21 | andres | sorry |
| 01:27.33 | directhex | assuming you have sarge/sid and a pentium pro or faster intel |
| 01:27.36 | pmcdonnell | andres, apt-cache search kernel to see what's available |
| 01:27.44 | maxim | woodyst:"don't know how to make sound" |
| 01:27.45 | andres | ok |
| 01:27.47 | andres | thanks |
| 01:28.15 | maxim | woodyst:is ther ea shorter pocedire then mknods? |
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| 01:28.22 | woodyst | MEon: in kernel config: device drivers/input device support/pci ps/2 keyboard and mouse controller |
| 01:28.47 | woodyst | maxim: cd /dev; ./MAKEDEV sound |
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| 01:29.42 | maxim | woodyst:"don't know how to make device "sound" " |
| 01:29.49 | cylex | hey same question here |
| 01:29.55 | Azra | Da li neko govori Srpski |
| 01:29.57 | MEon | woodyst: I'm sorry, i'm new to linux. I installed from APT. where do i modify " |
| 01:30.03 | MEon | kernel config" |
| 01:30.05 | woodyst | maxim: MAKEDEV audio |
| 01:30.06 | cylex | i dont know how get my sound work |
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| 01:30.27 | scarynetworkguy | cylex: beat it with a two x four |
| 01:30.34 | woodyst | MEon: did you compile the kernel or dpkg it? |
| 01:30.47 | MEon | woodyst: dpkg |
| 01:30.53 | woodyst | cylex: what sound card? |
| 01:30.54 | cylex | i did compile |
| 01:31.02 | cylex | woodyst: terratex sixpack 5.1 |
| 01:31.19 | cylex | woodyst: with crystal chipset |
| 01:31.26 | woodyst | cylex: try discover (apt-get install discover) |
| 01:31.32 | taz_ | maxim you could also use udev and it should make it for you if the right modules are present |
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| 01:31.46 | scarynetworkguy | cylex: also do a lsmod and paste into #lfood |
| 01:31.53 | scarynetworkguy | cylex: also do a lsmod and paste into #flood |
| 01:31.56 | cylex | ok |
| 01:32.06 | Tio-KonzA | hi there DIOS-Nahuel |
| 01:32.20 | maxim | brb |
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| 01:32.23 | DIOS-Nahuel | hi Tio-KonzA |
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| 01:32.49 | cylex | scarynetworkguy: i paste into flood |
| 01:32.53 | woodyst | MEon: i don't know what is the problem |
| 01:32.57 | versuchsanstalt | woodyst: is there anything to say against always trying alsaconf first - i am not being polemic, that's a serious questions |
| 01:33.02 | versuchsanstalt | s/ons/on/ |
| 01:33.08 | thargor|mcl | if nobody can help me perhaps someone knows someone to ask? ;) |
| 01:33.23 | cylex | when i start xmms or somethin, it sais that it cant find /dev/dsp |
| 01:33.31 | andres | very nice that apt-get cache kernel how do im scroll up? |
| 01:33.50 | ec | andres, pipe apt-cache thru less or more. |
| 01:34.05 | X_Entity | or most |
| 01:34.12 | scarynetworkguy | cylex: did you add yourself to the audio group? |
| 01:34.15 | versuchsanstalt | andres: you can also try shift-pgup to scroll up |
| 01:34.16 | woodyst | versuchsanstalt: no, but there is a versioning incompatibility under woody because kernel has another version |
| 01:34.24 | versuchsanstalt | woodyst: yes, i see. |
| 01:34.29 | versuchsanstalt | woodyst: thx |
| 01:34.39 | cylex | ah no i didnt |
| 01:34.47 | cylex | scarynetworkguy: forget that |
| 01:35.06 | cylex | scarynetworkguy: do i have to restart anything, or just adduser me audio ? |
| 01:35.14 | scarynetworkguy | cylex: adduser username audio then log out and log back in |
| 01:35.20 | scarynetworkguy | cylex: also are you using KDE? |
| 01:35.29 | cylex | scarynetworkguy: i use gnome |
| 01:35.29 | woodyst | versuchsanstalt: i had this problem with alsaconf but i edited the alsaconf's output by hand. I had to s/snd-card-x/snd-x/ |
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| 01:35.44 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, all I have to do to modify the ./configure that will be used for dpkg-buildpackage is to modify debian/rules? |
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| 01:35.54 | scarynetworkguy | cylex: in that case yea just add yourself to audio log out and log back in |
| 01:35.57 | woodyst | cylex: adduser cylex audio |
| 01:36.07 | cylex | thx |
| 01:36.09 | cylex | i'll try |
| 01:36.10 | lrojas | hi all |
| 01:36.13 | maxim | woodyst:mixer not present /dev/dsp not present |
| 01:36.15 | MEon | woodyst: alright. i have another general question--maybe you can point to a website if you don't want to explain. I am using a AMD Athlon XP proccesor so i choose K7 for the kernel, but i386 works as well. why do different architectures work? |
| 01:36.26 | versuchsanstalt | woodyst: i see. the alsa people always suggest trying alsaconf first, that's why i was asking. |
| 01:36.27 | ec | somtimes I wonder why they made the man pages! |
| 01:36.49 | andres | im running kernel 2.2.20-idepci with an intel p3 and i think is woody so can i jump from here to 2.6 or i have to go first to 2.4? |
| 01:36.50 | vapo | ec, back when they made the man pages, IRC wasnt available.. :) |
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| 01:36.57 | woodyst | MEon: K7 uses all the processor's extensions, so your kernel will be faster |
| 01:37.00 | pmcdonnell | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.00 | ec | :) |
| 01:37.01 | g4lt | ec to givr n00bs something to ignore |
| 01:37.11 | nailbiter | pmcdonnell: yes. there should be two (or three?) './configure' lines in debian/rules -- one each for the apache module, the apache2 module and the standalone cgi binary, |
| 01:37.20 | woodyst | maxim: adduser maxim audio |
| 01:37.30 | woodyst | maxim: then logout and login |
| 01:37.31 | MEon | woodyst: k, thanks. |
| 01:37.36 | lrojas | anybody knows of a channel i could visit where i could ask about statistics? i am doing a project for fun ( designing a RPG system ) and i would like to make a program to help me calculate the odds of the dice and i figured someone out ther could help me |
| 01:37.41 | woodyst | MEon: :) |
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| 01:37.45 | maxim | woodyst:geez, I'm sorry |
| 01:37.54 | nailbiter | lrojas: #math? |
| 01:37.54 | andres | ill start all over ill install serge |
| 01:38.00 | vapo | brb.. epic sucks me.. :P |
| 01:38.06 | pmcdonnell | nailbiter, hold on... |
| 01:38.13 | ec | andres, start all over? |
| 01:38.17 | andres | yes |
| 01:38.25 | taz_ | Serge.... |
| 01:38.30 | andres | install everything this time using sarge |
| 01:38.51 | holycow | lrojas, odds of dice is 1/6 * no. of dice |
| 01:38.51 | pmcdonnell | nailbiter, but if I modify COMMON_CONFIG, all of them should be updated, right? |
| 01:38.53 | holycow | :) |
| 01:38.53 | woodyst | versuchsanstalt: lol :) |
| 01:38.57 | taz_ | andres just update source.list |
| 01:39.01 | maxim | woodyst:maxim already a user of audio |
| 01:39.03 | scarynetworkguy | versuchsanstalt: that was pretty good :) |
| 01:39.10 | woodyst | maxim: :) |
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| 01:39.16 | nailbiter | pmcdonnell: well, yes. :) |
| 01:39.25 | pmcdonnell | nailbiter, hmmm... it didn't work |
| 01:39.29 | versuchsanstalt | thank you. that's what it boils down to, almost always. |
| 01:39.55 | woodyst | versuchsanstalt: audio in debian is almost a bit harder enought |
| 01:39.56 | nailbiter | pmcdonnell: you ran 'make -f debian/rules binary' and it broke when invoking configure with the new options? |
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| 01:40.44 | pmcdonnell | nailbiter, I didn't run make -f debian/rules binary |
| 01:40.46 | versuchsanstalt | woodyst: that's why there's DeMuDi (among other stuff)... it's heading towards being a CCD though, so |
| 01:41.02 | versuchsanstalt | s/CCD/CDD/ |
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| 01:41.12 | nailbiter | pmcdonnell: 'debian/rules binary' would have done the same thing. 'dpkg-buildpackage' would have done it, too, but with a couple of sanity checks thrown in. |
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| 01:41.23 | maxim | woodyst:still "error opening mixer" |
| 01:41.38 | pmcdonnell | nailbiter, well, what do I have to do to make it compile with my own ./configure command? |
| 01:41.40 | NoUsesKnown | hello |
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| 01:41.43 | versuchsanstalt | that's the other mantra. |
| 01:41.45 | woodyst | versuchsanstalt: yes, but my sound card is the hardest one i have known. it has convinced me doing an alsa driver for it |
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| 01:41.50 | gnome- | is there an open source solution similar to Microsoft Publisher |
| 01:41.57 | woodyst | maxim: perms of /dev/mixer? |
| 01:42.06 | laruss0 | hi @ all |
| 01:42.07 | maxim | woodyst: 666 |
| 01:42.08 | nailbiter | pmcdonnell: run any of the above commands. :) 'debian/rules binary' should chug away and generate a pile of .deb files. |
| 01:42.24 | pmcdonnell | nailbiter, ok, I'll try again... |
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| 01:42.33 | nailbiter | gnome-: 'scribus'? |
| 01:42.40 | woodyst | maxim: your ac97 mixer may be tricky. see intel8x0 parameters (modinfo) |
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| 01:42.54 | lrojas | thanks holycow |
| 01:43.03 | DaRabman | Noob question, What can I use to see what partitions I have and their size? |
| 01:43.07 | NoUsesKnown | is Sarge going to be released in August? |
| 01:43.11 | nailbiter | DaRabman: cat /proc/partitions |
| 01:43.15 | lrojas | and nailbiter |
| 01:43.17 | DaRabman | cheers |
| 01:43.25 | MobyTurbo | NoUsesKnown, the current timetable is mid-september |
| 01:43.29 | versuchsanstalt | woodyst: the sound card on my thinkpad 770z here is running with the oss module only. in karlsruhe takashi helped me setting it up using alsa, and it turned out that it was broken (bios self test returns an error). the alsa driver doesnt work, the oss one does though. that's not cool. |
| 01:43.31 | woodyst | DaRabman: df, fdisk, ...? |
| 01:43.35 | NoUsesKnown | thanks MobyTurbo! |
| 01:43.54 | pmcdonnell | Hmmm... how come after I apt-get remove php4, my I can still parse php documents? |
| 01:44.02 | versuchsanstalt | woodyst: and it's super strange (to me at least, i am not a developer) that it works with the oss driver. |
| 01:44.09 | maxim | woodyst:should I google for mixer settings? |
| 01:44.27 | nailbiter | pmcdonnell: did you restart apache? it won't be ejected from memory unless you do .. |
| 01:44.47 | versuchsanstalt | maxim: tried alsamixer instead of another mixer? |
| 01:45.00 | pmcdonnell | nailbiter, yes... |
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| 01:45.11 | woodyst | versuchsanstalt: the alsa driver may have a bug or it may be programmed for different chipsets and may not work well with your card |
| 01:45.16 | ec | pmcdonnell: clear your browser cache. |
| 01:45.20 | nailbiter | pmcdonnell: ok. are you using 'php4-cgi' instead (the standalone CGI interpreter)? |
| 01:45.28 | woodyst | maxim: yes, alsamixer |
| 01:45.32 | woodyst | maxim: or aumix-alsa |
| 01:46.00 | versuchsanstalt | woodyst: takashi said it should work, and that the chip was broken indeed. |
| 01:46.00 | woodyst | maxim: do you use kde? |
| 01:46.05 | pmcdonnell | nailbiter, ec, nm, its working right now (ie, its not working) |
| 01:46.14 | ec | :) |
| 01:46.17 | versuchsanstalt | woodyst: oh, gotta refine the mantra |
| 01:46.21 | woodyst | versuchsanstalt: it can be a bios tweak |
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| 01:46.38 | versuchsanstalt | woodyst: thx for the hint, gotta ask in linux-thinkpad |
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| 01:46.46 | woodyst | versuchsanstalt: ok |
| 01:46.56 | scarynetworkguy | versuchsanstalt: yea we must not forget KDE bugs :) |
| 01:47.12 | woodyst | versuchsanstalt: try resetting bios |
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| 01:47.16 | maxim | woodyst:it's testing |
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| 01:47.37 | woodyst | maxim: :) |
| 01:48.01 | woodyst | versuchsanstalt: you can deactivate artsd from control panel if you want |
| 01:48.23 | versuchsanstalt | woodyst: i already tried that. i think i will replace the board, i have a few others lying around, but it's such a painful thing to do |
| 01:48.24 | woodyst | versuchsanstalt: i prefer jackd for music mixing and editing |
| 01:48.25 | scarynetworkguy | woodyst: versuchsanstalt and if you do it that way it stays off. :) |
| 01:48.30 | maxim | woodyst:I have to install it manually with a bunch of other packages |
| 01:48.44 | versuchsanstalt | woodyst: wrt jack: yes, absolutely |
| 01:48.52 | zeier | I know this is off-topic, but I do not know another channel to ask in. What does "Clockwork Orange" mean? German is my native language, and I know both the words "clockwork" and "orange". But I can't find any sense in the combination. |
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| 01:49.04 | maxim | I'm getting desperate |
| 01:49.23 | BrianR___ | zeier: I'm a native english speaker and read the text and I didn't get the title. |
| 01:49.23 | maxim | what's a better idea, fresh install of syd, or dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:49.33 | scarynetworkguy | zeier: go to #flood adn I'll try at least once |
| 01:49.39 | Vinland | zeier - I was wondering te same thing myself |
| 01:49.40 | versuchsanstalt | scarynetworkguy: i actually use artsd on the laptop, but not on the production machine |
| 01:49.43 | nailbiter | zeier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clockwork_orange |
| 01:49.43 | woodyst | zeier: the mecanics of a clock |
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| 01:49.52 | Vinland | I just watched clockwerk orange the other day. |
| 01:49.59 | scarynetworkguy | versuchsanstalt: I don't use it anywhere icky stuff :) |
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| 01:50.29 | versuchsanstalt | scarynetworkguy: wouldn't use kde at all for sound work, but no, i like it for office kind of work |
| 01:50.32 | woodyst | zeier: or a very precise mechanism |
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| 01:50.49 | Vinland | why orange? |
| 01:50.49 | zeier | okay. Thanks a lot and sorry for asking OT. |
| 01:50.55 | woodyst | maxim: have you apt-get it |
| 01:51.07 | aum | the debian 'gotmail' package is great for *reading* hotmail - is there anything which can *send* messages thru hotmail? |
| 01:51.08 | maxim | woodyst:it's from testing section |
| 01:51.11 | scarynetworkguy | versuchsanstalt: it is a very userfriendly interface. Me I don't do "sound work" at all :) |
| 01:51.23 | woodyst | maxim: what package? |
| 01:51.33 | maxim | woodyst:alsamixer |
| 01:51.38 | beardy | Is there any (free) way to convert a logical partition to a primary? |
| 01:51.43 | maxim | oh well, I'm already broken |
| 01:51.47 | woodyst | maxim: try alsa-utils |
| 01:51.58 | BrianR___ | beardy: fdisk :) |
| 01:52.12 | maxim | woodyst:ok |
| 01:52.20 | woodyst | beardy: i don't know but try parted |
| 01:52.23 | BrianR___ | beardy: just make sure the start and end block numbers are the same or you'll wind up with a block device that doesn't line up with your data. |
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| 01:53.08 | scarynetworkguy | beardy: you do have backups right? |
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| 01:53.28 | BrianR___ | beardy: Oh.. What scarynetworkguy said too. |
| 01:53.43 | BrianR___ | beardy: If you get it wrong, and then write to the messed up partition you'll scribble on good data. |
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| 01:53.57 | woodyst | maxim: alsa is a little tricky, but if you understand it well you will not it is very potent |
| 01:53.59 | versuchsanstalt | see ya, friendly people in here, i call it a dreadful day and zzZZz.. |
| 01:53.59 | scarynetworkguy | beardy: cause ain't *no* safe way |
| 01:54.00 | beardy | scarynetworkguy: yes, not daily fresh though.. |
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| 01:54.53 | scarynetworkguy | beardy: You are about to rush in where Angels fear to tread. If you give a shit about your data at all stop now and do a backup |
| 01:55.02 | vodkaabsolut | .. www.apt.org isn't correct? |
| 01:55.35 | nailbiter | vodkaabsolut: you're looking for third-party apt sources? http://apt-get.org/main |
| 01:55.51 | maxim | woodyst:no /usr/bin/alsamixer for ALSA 1.0 found |
| 01:55.59 | vodkaabsolut | nailbiter: :-P tnx |
| 01:56.08 | beardy | scarynetworkguy: I will :) |
| 01:56.14 | woodyst | maxim: does it start? |
| 01:56.20 | scarynetworkguy | beardy: good may the source be with you |
| 01:56.31 | maxim | woodyst:no |
| 01:56.48 | woodyst | maxim: is the binary there= |
| 01:56.51 | woodyst | ? |
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| 01:57.09 | DaRabman | A second noob question, how can I mount a different partition to my /home dir? |
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| 01:57.46 | maxim | woodyst: there's alsamixer-0.9 |
| 01:57.58 | woodyst | try alsamixer-0.9 |
| 01:58.39 | maxim | woodyst:"funcion snd_ctrl_opn failed for default: no such file or direcory" |
| 01:58.45 | gonzo | when I do "man xterm" it mentions something about "toolkit options" near the top. Where can I get a comprehensive free doc on that? |
| 01:58.54 | woodyst | DaRabman: mount /dev/hdXX /home |
| 01:59.05 | DaRabman | thanks |
| 01:59.29 | woodyst | maxim: you have to download alsa-lib and alsa-utils from www.backports.org |
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| 02:00.01 | woodyst | maxim: sorry, there is no backport for alsa |
| 02:00.02 | maxim | woodyst:maybe I better upgrade to syd? |
| 02:00.07 | pmcdonnell | OK - i just re-installed PHP. I have the AddType line in httpd.conf, but PHP still isn't getting parsed. Whatelse did I forget? |
| 02:00.12 | woodyst | maxim: no!!! its so hard |
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| 02:00.33 | g4lt | woodyst since he has a sarge libc6, perhaps getting the alsa stuff from sarge would be a better idea... |
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| 02:00.48 | vapo | can someone help me figure out whats wrong with my resolution in x? |
| 02:00.55 | maxim | g4lt |
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| 02:01.02 | g4lt | maxim |
| 02:01.07 | woodyst | g4lt: yes, but dpkg-buildpackaging it |
| 02:01.35 | maxim | g4lt:I planned to uninstall it and any testing package |
| 02:01.41 | woodyst | maxim: if you want i can guide you but more privatelly because it can be long |
| 02:02.15 | tcsetattr | gonzo, the definitive documentation on the Xt Toolkit would be /usr/share/doc/xspecs/intrinsics.txt.gz in the "xspecs" package |
| 02:03.05 | woodyst | maxim: you have to put testing in your apt sources: deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main |
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| 02:03.23 | maxim | woodyst:ok |
| 02:03.25 | woodyst | maxim: not deb, deb-src |
| 02:03.51 | woodyst | maxim: then cd to a sources directory (yours) like ~/src |
| 02:04.24 | maxim | ok |
| 02:04.32 | Thoth | bah |
| 02:04.36 | woodyst | maxim: apt-get source alsa-lib alsa-utils |
| 02:04.38 | Thoth | what are some fast debian urls for sources.list? |
| 02:04.46 | Thoth | I'm sick of 12.6k/Bs |
| 02:04.53 | Thoth | I remember when I could apt-get upgrade in like 2 minutes |
| 02:04.59 | gonzo | Thoth: if i tell you, it wont be fast any more. |
| 02:05.01 | helix | cafuego: thanks! |
| 02:05.11 | g4lt | Thoth run apt-spy |
| 02:05.13 | pmcdonnell | I custom-compiled php4. How do I tell apt not to try to download a different version when I do apt-get upgrade? |
| 02:05.15 | scarynetworkguy | Thoth: mirrors.xmission.com is pretty decent |
| 02:05.18 | Thoth | so much for the opennes of open source :P |
| 02:05.23 | Thoth | scarynetworkguy: thanks |
| 02:05.26 | woodyst | Thoth: try netselect |
| 02:05.29 | maxim | woodyst:ok |
| 02:05.41 | holycow | what does open source have to do with upgrading in 2 minutes? |
| 02:05.43 | woodyst | maxim: cd to alsa-lib-xxxx |
| 02:05.44 | holycow | thas completely stupid |
| 02:06.04 | Sinistrad | holycow, because open source is all about fast upgrades |
| 02:06.11 | Sinistrad | holycow, because they're open, they're fast. |
| 02:06.13 | scarynetworkguy | and is of course *not* the one I use :) |
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| 02:06.17 | Sinistrad | holycow, This is a well-known rule. |
| 02:06.20 | woodyst | Thoth: netselect selects the best debian mirrors for you |
| 02:06.21 | holycow | Sinistrad, lol |
| 02:06.28 | Thoth | holycow: the lack of sharing information in regards to opensource software |
| 02:06.40 | maxim | woodyst: updates/upgrades would be a bad idea at this point I guess |
| 02:06.48 | Thoth | Don't get your playtex in a wad |
| 02:07.11 | humbolt | have a problem with my gpg! "main(): could not install capabilities: Operation not permitted" |
| 02:07.14 | Sinistrad | holycow, just like free means beer AND freedom...that's the true free, in my book. |
| 02:07.21 | woodyst | maxim: if you point your sources (source packages) to testing/unstable it has nothing to do with your upgrades |
| 02:07.41 | woodyst | maxim: have you done apt-get update first? i forgot it |
| 02:07.55 | gonzo | actually I was thinking more in the line of "all those lemming rushing to one place" |
| 02:08.02 | maxim | woodyst:I will |
| 02:08.19 | woodyst | maxim: then apt-get source again |
| 02:08.28 | maxim | woodyst:I'm only writing down your instructions |
| 02:08.42 | scarynetworkguy | Thoth: but it really is fast |
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| 02:08.56 | maxim | woodyst:ok |
| 02:08.58 | Thoth | thanks :D |
| 02:09.29 | woodyst | maxim: ok, then, in the alsa-lib-xxx dir do "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot" (you have to install fakeroot if you didn't before) |
| 02:10.11 | pmcdonnell | Anyone know where to get a dictionary for crack? (crack == the password-strength-checking library)? |
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| 02:10.36 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: www.insecure.org |
| 02:11.05 | maxim | woodyst:ok |
| 02:11.08 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, thanks |
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| 02:11.27 | woodyst | maxim: then you will have the correct deb in .. |
| 02:11.36 | woodyst | maxim: you will have to dpkg it |
| 02:11.44 | woodyst | maxim: then do it with alsa-utils-xxxx |
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| 02:12.02 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, ummm... I'm not seeing anything there... only the nmap stuff |
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| 02:12.13 | maxim | woodyst:ok |
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| 02:12.29 | woodyst | maxim: its all |
| 02:12.36 | Thoth | is there a debian package for the ati radeon? |
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| 02:12.42 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: wait a moment |
| 02:13.00 | woodyst | Thoth: in sarge/sid there is one |
| 02:13.16 | Thoth | ah |
| 02:13.18 | DaRabman | okay, I'm having problem setting /home as a mount point, it asks for a filesystem and when I add ext2 (which I presume I should be) it returns 'wrong fs, bad option, bad superblock or too many mounted FSs' any ideas? |
| 02:13.20 | Thoth | which one is newer? sarge? |
| 02:13.20 | maxim | woodyst:then I run alsamixer? |
| 02:13.29 | gnarf | the file /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive doesn't seem to be contained in a package. i assume the file is generated somehow. i furthermore think that the file was not created correctly and would like to recreate it. how? |
| 02:13.47 | pmcdonnell | DaRabman, which filesystem is the partition you want to mount as /home using? |
| 02:13.55 | woodyst | maxim: yes |
| 02:14.11 | DaRabman | I would've thought ext2 but I'm not too sure, how can I check? |
| 02:14.22 | pmcdonnell | DaRabman, when you formatted it, how did you format it? |
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| 02:14.41 | andres | ok i just installed sarge |
| 02:14.44 | pmcdonnell | DaRabman, common filesystems being ext2, ext3, reiserfs, xfs, jfs |
| 02:14.56 | andres | and install kdm how do i start the kde? |
| 02:15.11 | DaRabman | Okay, I'll try some of those, ty. |
| 02:15.32 | pmcdonnell | DaRabman, But which did you use to format it? |
| 02:15.46 | DaRabman | ext2 |
| 02:15.58 | pmcdonnell | ext2 should work then,,, which device is it? |
| 02:15.59 | directhex | andres, /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 02:16.14 | DaRabman | HD partition, hda6 |
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| 02:16.27 | blaccdd | which directory has all the pkgs youve installed? |
| 02:16.35 | pmcdonnell | DaRabman, and what does "mount /dev/hda6 /home" say? |
| 02:16.43 | lrojas | what is a Debian Policy? i was just over at r-project and they said Debian is getting a R Policy |
| 02:16.55 | andres | directhex : i did that nothing happened only says starting k desktop manager |
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| 02:17.36 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, does a deb package not already provide a dictionary for crack? |
| 02:17.38 | Thoth | hmmm |
| 02:17.41 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: i remember there were some dictionarys in insecure, but i think you will have to search at google because i do not find it |
| 02:17.44 | Thoth | netselect has no man page |
| 02:17.51 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, ok, thanks anyway |
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| 02:18.23 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: but you can use john for this task because it has different operating modes |
| 02:18.23 | gnarf | how to regenerate the locale-archive ? |
| 02:18.26 | maxim | woodyst:thanks a lot |
| 02:18.30 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: see docs |
| 02:18.31 | DaRabman | pmcdonnell: 'VFS: CAn't find a valid MSDOS filesystem on 03:06' and 'mount: you must specify the filesystem type' |
| 02:18.40 | woodyst | maxim: does it work? |
| 02:18.44 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, I'm using it from PHP |
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| 02:19.06 | blaccdd | which directory has all the pkgs youve installed? |
| 02:19.07 | pmcdonnell | DaRabman, 'mount -t ext2 /dev/hda6 /home' |
| 02:19.07 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: if you want i can send you a dictionary |
| 02:19.17 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, that would be great |
| 02:19.31 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: ok, wait a moment |
| 02:19.52 | maxim | woodyst:I'm getting "nos such file or directory" |
| 02:19.52 | blaccdd | when you install a pkg is there a certain place where they store the backup of the tgz and so forth |
| 02:20.03 | DaRabman | pmcdonnell: Have tried that and throws up wrong fs type |
| 02:20.30 | DaRabman | is there a way of formatting hda6 to have ext2 on? |
| 02:20.37 | pmcdonnell | DaRabman, idk, then, maybe try re-formatting it as ext3 (assuming theres no data you want on it) |
| 02:20.43 | andres | by the time i finish understanding linux ill be 80 |
| 02:20.59 | DaRabman | How would I do that? |
| 02:21.01 | hacim | DaRabman: you dont really fomat with ext2 |
| 02:21.06 | pmcdonnell | DaRabman, first, make it ext3 |
| 02:21.08 | andres | what get to 80? |
| 02:21.25 | DaRabman | okay, how can I do that (am noob btw) |
| 02:21.37 | pmcdonnell | DaRabman, "mke2fs -j /dev/hda6" <-- this will create an ext3 fs, and destroy all data on /dev/hda6 |
| 02:21.37 | woodyst | maxim: doing what? |
| 02:21.46 | maxim | woodyst:thanks a lot I have to go now, i'll go over your instrucitons again tomorrow |
| 02:21.56 | maxim | woodyst:getting sources |
| 02:22.00 | DaRabman | okay, thanks. |
| 02:22.34 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, do you want to email me or do /dcc ? |
| 02:23.30 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: will an american-english dictionary be sufficient for you? |
| 02:23.39 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, yeah |
| 02:24.29 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: try apt-get install wenglish, wspanish, witalian... and you will have some dictionaries in /usr/share/dict/ |
| 02:24.32 | DaRabman | pmcdonnell, problem solved, thank you very much |
| 02:24.36 | DaRabman | :) |
| 02:24.42 | pmcdonnell | DaRabman, np |
| 02:24.51 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, ok... |
| 02:24.55 | woodyst | maxim: ok. get luck |
| 02:25.30 | andres | i have an mty blue screen in my kde |
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| 02:26.25 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, then crack can use these dictionaries? |
| 02:26.30 | Thoth | btw xmission.com is slow here :/ |
| 02:26.32 | cafuego | Whoa, I just blew about 2 kilos of dust out of the production server! |
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| 02:26.42 | Thoth | 'dust' |
| 02:26.43 | Thoth | lol |
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| 02:26.54 | Thoth | you just snorted 2 kilos of blow off your production server |
| 02:26.58 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: these are plain text files |
| 02:26.58 | scarynetworkguy | Thoth: assuming you have decent bandwidth your best shot is to find a mirror close to you |
| 02:27.00 | cafuego | Mind you, it has been on sice mid '98 |
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| 02:27.07 | Wind2 | can anybody tell me please, how do I reduce my swap partition from 3 GB to 1 GB ? |
| 02:27.07 | Thoth | yeah |
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| 02:27.18 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: one word - one line |
| 02:27.36 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: any mummies? |
| 02:27.51 | woodyst | Wind2: fdisk and then mkswap |
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| 02:27.57 | shray | hi! |
| 02:28.05 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: No, just hard elatic bands and a fair bit of hair. |
| 02:28.07 | woodyst | Wind2: first do a swapoff |
| 02:28.14 | shray | How do I check what CFLAGS my friend's debian is using? |
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| 02:28.34 | cafuego | Wind2: Keep in mind that after you fdisk a disk with mounted partitions you'll need to do a reboot. |
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| 02:28.51 | Wind2 | okay |
| 02:29.01 | woodyst | shray: compiling what? |
| 02:29.01 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: cool. I love blowing out old boxen :) |
| 02:29.03 | kaplanfx | have the kdebase and libs dev packages changed names recently? |
| 02:29.13 | cafuego | Wind2: So add a # in front of the swap partition before you reboot. (in fstab) |
| 02:29.15 | shray | woodyst for gcc |
| 02:29.15 | andres | i have an mty blue screen in my kde |
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| 02:29.26 | nono | There is now update directly available from click in mozilla... but is it the same as waiting the next update from the debian maintener? (debian/sid) |
| 02:29.36 | thargor|mcl | noobs! |
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| 02:29.41 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: I need to wipe it, run Win2K for a few months, then install (by then stable) sarge. |
| 02:29.54 | woodyst | shray: CFLAGS normally is an environment var. but some programs change it in their configure's |
| 02:29.55 | MarcN | My shiny new laptop came with an SD memory stick slot. Nothing in dmesg when I put a stick in the slot. Any ideas? |
| 02:29.58 | IrishKitty | hello people, I am having problems with debian, it would appear that apt wanted me to have gnome, even tho I didn't want it, further more, something has now enabled power saving on my screen so it goes blank after n minutes. Which is fine except for when I watch a dvd, so can anyone point me in the direction of a m to rtf so I can work out how to stop it doing this? thanks |
| 02:29.59 | lrojas | guys, anybody doees what the guys at r-project mean with the statement that "Debian is getting an R Policy"? does this mean it will be included in the official packages for apt-get? |
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| 02:30.14 | andres | c'mon guys gimme a push |
| 02:30.16 | Wind2 | woodyst I make swapoff -- delete the swap partition, then I make a new Swap partition and simply reboot ? |
| 02:30.16 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: why win2k? Just wondering |
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| 02:30.50 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: I'm doing a project for a large japanese car company and need to reproduce their server environment for development purposes. |
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| 02:30.58 | kaplanfx | IrishKitty: I dunno about the gnome thing, but I have the screen blanking problem and never found a solution or got an answer |
| 02:31.16 | kaplanfx | IrishKitty: are you using woody or testing? |
| 02:31.18 | IrishKitty | kaplanfx: joy, |
| 02:31.20 | IrishKitty | testing |
| 02:31.21 | IrishKitty | I think |
| 02:31.23 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: Shity that it needs to be in ASP, but it's easy money. |
| 02:31.23 | IrishKitty | let me check |
| 02:31.28 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: ah yes a test server. Do you know what cad/cam package they use |
| 02:31.30 | woodyst | Wind2: swapoff, fdisk and then mkswap /dev/hdXX. Then you can swapon (you do not need to reboot) |
| 02:31.40 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: and there is a *lot* to be said for easy money. :) |
| 02:31.43 | andres | why is my kde desk top |
| 02:31.47 | cafuego | scarynetworkguy: No idea, I'm working with their environment group. |
| 02:31.55 | andres | empty? |
| 02:31.57 | IrishKitty | yeah, testing |
| 02:32.01 | kaplanfx | hrm |
| 02:32.05 | cafuego | easy money pays rent :-) |
| 02:32.15 | IrishKitty | Ah I found out why gnome is installed, for some brain damaged reason fvwm needs gnome, which is remarkably broken concept |
| 02:32.17 | kaplanfx | people have told me check apm, check apci, check the screen saver |
| 02:32.23 | kaplanfx | everything else is off |
| 02:32.26 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: I worked for one of the big cad/cam places a few years back. That's why I tend to wonder |
| 02:32.26 | woodyst | andres: your kde does not start? |
| 02:32.32 | scarynetworkguy | cafuego: damn straight :) |
| 02:32.42 | IrishKitty | this is a desktop machine, apm and apci aren't on thei machine |
| 02:32.45 | DaRabman | how can I automatically mount a partition on startup? |
| 02:32.49 | IrishKitty | hell the hardware predates apm and apci |
| 02:32.51 | cafuego | Hmm, only 6 free IPs left... |
| 02:32.52 | kaplanfx | IrishKitty: so's mine |
| 02:32.52 | andres | my kde desktop is empty anyone knows y? my mouse moves and everything only nothing is there to click on? |
| 02:32.58 | kaplanfx | thats what I said they are off |
| 02:33.09 | andres | woodyst:starts is only blue |
| 02:33.17 | kaplanfx | IrishKitty: you get just a blank screen until you move the mouse right? |
| 02:33.21 | IrishKitty | xscreensaver isn't installed either |
| 02:33.22 | woodyst | andres: it can be a lot of things |
| 02:33.24 | IrishKitty | kaplanfx: yep |
| 02:33.29 | kaplanfx | and it happenes in about 10 mins |
| 02:33.29 | andres | such as? |
| 02:33.33 | IrishKitty | yep |
| 02:33.36 | scarynetworkguy | IrishKitty: make sure to install xteddy |
| 02:33.37 | andres | i just reconfired x |
| 02:33.47 | kaplanfx | scarynetworkguy: what does xteddy do? |
| 02:34.09 | woodyst | andres: try copying your .kde .kde2 and .kderc to other dir (make a backup) and then try starting kde |
| 02:34.17 | scarynetworkguy | kaplanfx: thomas_adam tells me that it is the best thing ever. I guess it puts a teddy bear on your desktop or some such thing |
| 02:34.20 | IrishKitty | kaplanfx: apt-cache show xteddy |
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| 02:34.47 | andres | woodyst:thanks for helping i cant do that dont know how from the command line |
| 02:34.55 | IrishKitty | scarynetworkguy: xteddy isn't helpful thanks |
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| 02:35.14 | kaplanfx | scarynetworkguy: thats what it looks like |
| 02:35.14 | scarynetworkguy | IrishKitty: that was what we like to call a joke :) |
| 02:35.25 | scarynetworkguy | kaplanfx: me I won't touch the thing. :) |
| 02:35.30 | woodyst | andres: mkdir bkp; mv .kde .kde2 .kderc ./bkp; startx |
| 02:35.45 | IrishKitty | scarynetworkguy: thats what I like to call unhelpful |
| 02:35.46 | IrishKitty | :p |
| 02:36.00 | IrishKitty | lets just hope you enjoyd that, |
| 02:36.04 | IrishKitty | any other bright ideas? |
| 02:36.24 | kaplanfx | IrishKitty: I'm stumped, apperently no one else has this problem |
| 02:36.30 | g4lt | IrishKitty apt-get install sense-of-humor |
| 02:36.31 | kaplanfx | IrishKitty: what kind of monitor do you have? |
| 02:36.32 | IrishKitty | kaplanfx: well we both do! |
| 02:36.39 | IrishKitty | CTX700VL |
| 02:36.43 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt: apt-get remove stick-up-ass |
| 02:36.45 | kaplanfx | apparently rather |
| 02:36.50 | IrishKitty | g4lt: recons its already installed |
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| 02:37.04 | woodyst | andres: does it work? |
| 02:37.05 | IrishKitty | scarynetworkguy: why? if you have a prostate a stick up the arse is pleasurable :p |
| 02:37.05 | g4lt | IrishKitty you have a buggy version |
| 02:37.14 | kaplanfx | g4lt: that package is broken in testing |
| 02:37.26 | IrishKitty | g4lt: yeah, its causing clashes with package Lackofsleep and deadline |
| 02:37.35 | andres | mv:cannot stat "kde" no such file or directory |
| 02:37.49 | andres | mv:cannot stat "kde2" no such file or directory |
| 02:38.00 | andres | mv:cannot stat "kderc" no such file or directory |
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| 02:38.32 | woodyst | andres: ".kde" point-kde not kde |
| 02:38.39 | woodyst | andres: ".kde" dot-kde not kde |
| 02:39.05 | woodyst | IrishKitty: you can't turn apm off under console or x? |
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| 02:39.21 | Tyler-Durden | im trying to configure my firewall/gateway linux machine with iptables, anyone had done that? |
| 02:39.24 | IrishKitty | woodyst: erm, how do I turn it off, it shouldn't even be installed |
| 02:39.41 | IrishKitty | Tyler-Durden: read rusty's unreliable guide |
| 02:39.47 | cylex | wb guys... thanks for helpin, my sound works well now :D just one lil question left... how the hell can i get xchat out of gnome's autostart? |
| 02:39.53 | woodyst | IrishKitty: if you are under X you can turn it off doing "xset -dpms" |
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| 02:40.22 | andres | i mistyped i did put a .kde in the command |
| 02:40.22 | woodyst | IrishKitty: and "xset s off" |
| 02:40.25 | Tyler-Durden | rusty's? |
| 02:40.38 | IrishKitty | Tyler-Durden: google it |
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| 02:40.49 | IrishKitty | woodyst: what exactly do those commands do? |
| 02:41.09 | Tyler-Durden | I had done it! |
| 02:41.39 | andres | ill reinstall the whole thing may be i made a mistake |
| 02:41.54 | IrishKitty | Tyler-Durden: had done what? |
| 02:41.57 | cylex | does anyone know how to get xchat out of gnome's autostart? |
| 02:41.59 | IrishKitty | woodyst: thank you so much! |
| 02:42.03 | IrishKitty | any idea what turned it on? |
| 02:42.04 | Tyler-Durden | searching the google |
| 02:42.08 | woodyst | IrishKitty: dpms stops power management in this session under X, and s disables screensaver |
| 02:42.09 | IrishKitty | Tyler-Durden: hold |
| 02:42.20 | Tyler-Durden | oraite |
| 02:42.26 | woodyst | IrishKitty: X turns it on by default |
| 02:42.43 | IrishKitty | Tyler-Durden: http://people.netfilter.org/~rusty/unreliable-guides/ |
| 02:42.53 | IrishKitty | Tyler-Durden: your google fu is week, that appeared as first option |
| 02:42.58 | IrishKitty | woodyst: aaah |
| 02:42.58 | Thoth | so I take it the days of 100kB/s apt-gets are over |
| 02:43.02 | Thoth | Last time I used debian was years ago |
| 02:43.05 | Thoth | and it was always super fast |
| 02:43.19 | mith | how can you delete a line in vi with :%s/^stuff$// instead of just blanking out the line |
| 02:43.20 | IrishKitty | Thoth: I get over 2Mbps for alot of my apt-gets |
| 02:43.23 | Thoth | the closest mirror I can find to orlando, fl is gatech.edu |
| 02:43.25 | Thoth | and it's hella slow |
| 02:43.40 | Thoth | you're in Ireland though. Ireland is cool |
| 02:43.42 | Thoth | florida sucks. |
| 02:43.43 | Thoth | GO IRA |
| 02:43.47 | Thoth | slainte |
| 02:43.47 | IrishKitty | Thoth: no, I am in England :p |
| 02:43.53 | Thoth | oh |
| 02:43.56 | Thoth | then you suck and I rule cause I'm Irish |
| 02:44.05 | IrishKitty | Thoth: I use the estonian apt repository |
| 02:44.11 | cylex | when i finished school i want to come to england for a year... am from germany ;D |
| 02:44.11 | IrishKitty | its fantastically fast |
| 02:44.14 | Thoth | aha |
| 02:44.15 | woodyst | cylex: just starting gnome, close xchat and save session |
| 02:44.17 | ericb | Irish suck dick and swallow cum |
| 02:44.22 | kaplanfx | IrishKitty: did that fix the problem? |
| 02:44.26 | Thoth | ericb: the women do it quite well |
| 02:44.29 | cylex | woodyst: thx hope that helps ;D |
| 02:44.34 | IrishKitty | I used to get over 10MBps of apt-get when I lived on the same site as the UK Mirror service |
| 02:44.35 | Thoth | btw that's hardly appropriate talk for the official Debian chat room |
| 02:44.37 | nailbiter | mith: with ":%g/stuff/d" |
| 02:44.39 | IrishKitty | kaplanfx: looks that way |
| 02:44.48 | kaplanfx | hrm |
| 02:44.52 | Thoth | You should wash your mouth out with soap there johny cumberbun |
| 02:44.59 | kaplanfx | can you put that in .xinitrc you think? |
| 02:45.06 | woodyst | IrishKitty: in spain it is worse |
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| 02:45.21 | IrishKitty | woodyst: whats worse? |
| 02:45.43 | JoePenguin | nailbiter: nice vi tip |
| 02:46.15 | nailbiter | JoePenguin: ta. :) |
| 02:46.18 | woodyst | IrishKitty: Here we have max 300 Kbps with a very expensive connection |
| 02:46.25 | kaplanfx | random question, have the new name been decided on testing now that sarge is frozen? |
| 02:46.42 | woodyst | IrishKitty: About 60 Euros |
| 02:46.43 | Thoth | IrishKitty: estonia is really slow for me :/ |
| 02:46.50 | Thoth | well 13.7kB/s |
| 02:46.53 | IrishKitty | woodyst: ah I was living in uni accomadation, on campus, |
| 02:46.55 | Thoth | like the others I guess |
| 02:47.04 | IrishKitty | Thoth: whats your connection? |
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| 02:47.13 | kaplanfx | woodyst: mmm Kbps, we only get kbps |
| 02:47.17 | Thoth | adsl |
| 02:47.24 | Thoth | > 1.5mbps down |
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| 02:47.40 | kaplanfx | 3mbps down |
| 02:47.46 | woodyst | IrishKitty: if you want a very fast mirror try netselect |
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| 02:47.58 | eevenson | burp |
| 02:47.59 | woodyst | IrishKitty: apt-get install netselect |
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| 02:48.01 | kaplanfx | yeah netselect is decent |
| 02:48.13 | Thoth | wait |
| 02:48.15 | kaplanfx | here in the usa I find ftp.us.debian.org is nice |
| 02:48.15 | Thoth | someone is downloading from me |
| 02:48.20 | kaplanfx | get about 200k |
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| 02:48.51 | woodyst | kaplanfx: i have a customer that gets 300 KB/s with a french mirror |
| 02:48.57 | t-jack | Thoth: God Of Knowledge, eh :) Using sharenets? |
| 02:48.59 | IrishKitty | woodyst: anyone here good with debfoster? |
| 02:49.00 | kaplanfx | nice |
| 02:49.07 | Thoth | rofl |
| 02:49.10 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: take your computer bowling.. take it bowling |
| 02:49.10 | Thoth | I'm an idiot |
| 02:49.15 | Thoth | t-jack: God of writing and history :P |
| 02:49.23 | Thoth | And no |
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| 02:49.28 | t-jack | OK |
| 02:49.29 | Fryguy- | has anyone here ever tried scite/scintilla? |
| 02:49.31 | Thoth | I was actually still downloading the gentoo package CD |
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| 02:49.34 | Thoth | but the window was not in the task list |
| 02:49.41 | Thoth | so I didn't see it |
| 02:49.46 | kaplanfx | woodyst: where is a good palce to put "xset -dpms" so its executed whenever x starts |
| 02:49.47 | kaplanfx | ? |
| 02:49.50 | woodyst | IrishKitty: i use aptitude as a gui for apt sometimes |
| 02:50.02 | Thoth | ah that's much better |
| 02:50.07 | Thoth | sweet merciful heyzeus |
| 02:50.09 | t-jack | Thoth: I'm just looking for an old BBC series, is all. Forget I asked. |
| 02:50.20 | Thoth | lol |
| 02:50.24 | Thoth | can't help you |
| 02:50.36 | woodyst | kaplanfx: put it in .xsession: xset -dpms & xset s 0 & exec wmaker or something similar |
| 02:50.43 | IrishKitty | woodyst: I am trying to trim the install down abit |
| 02:51.22 | woodyst | IrishKitty: i do not understand |
| 02:51.26 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: btw Oh there you are! I might take it swimming tonight. Flasflood and lightening. |
| 02:51.39 | IrishKitty | woodyst: you are familiar with debfoster yes? |
| 02:51.40 | Thoth | btw Thoth was so much more than "god of writing"... He was the son of an Atlantis priest king and he started the Egyptian civilization by bringing them the first men to lower Egypt, before the Indians and starting a civilization |
| 02:51.40 | kaplanfx | woodyst: I ain't got one, hrm, I'm using kdm maybe thats it |
| 02:51.44 | Thoth | and taught them the ways of atlantis |
| 02:51.51 | Thoth | food for thought |
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| 02:52.11 | kaplanfx | woodyst: thanks for the help, gotta run |
| 02:52.18 | woodyst | kaplanfx: ok |
| 02:52.27 | Thoth | (the ways of Atlantis being the Horus religion, Horus being to the Atlantean church what the 'pope' is to catholic churches today) |
| 02:52.47 | Thoth | </babble> |
| 02:52.48 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: cool. I love lightning storms. :) |
| 02:53.01 | t-jack | Thoth: Cult Of Thoth exists today... It's called Free And Accepted Order Of Masons... |
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| 02:53.19 | Thoth | Yeah I'm familiar with the free masons |
| 02:53.25 | Thoth | most of them are very corrupt |
| 02:53.33 | helix | you've met that many? |
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| 02:53.36 | Thoth | I prefer studying on my own |
| 02:53.42 | Thoth | helix: met a few and heard many negative stories |
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| 02:53.45 | g4lt | I'd settle for extremely cheap masons |
| 02:53.47 | helix | ah |
| 02:54.09 | t-jack | g4lt: Or stoned masons... |
| 02:54.13 | scarynetworkguy | g4lt: you just gotta hire non-union masons |
| 02:54.20 | Thoth | I can follow the teachings of ancient atlantis without following a cult |
| 02:54.24 | Thoth | and I'd rather do it that way |
| 02:54.49 | IronLeg | greets |
| 02:54.51 | woodyst | well, Debian is as a religion too |
| 02:55.00 | Thoth | so is smack. |
| 02:55.08 | woodyst | i've seen it a lot of times |
| 02:55.17 | IrishKitty | anyeon here good with .xsession ? |
| 02:55.23 | t-jack | Everything has cult-think qualitys... |
| 02:55.25 | woodyst | IrishKitty: me |
| 02:55.28 | NoUsesKnown | Where can I find out info about the version of packages that Sarge will be released with?( e.g. what version of kernel ) |
| 02:55.37 | Thoth | t-jack: I just prefer researching on my own |
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| 02:55.46 | IrishKitty | woodyst: do I need "exec <wmname>" of |
| 02:55.46 | peterS | NoUsesKnown: http://packages.debian.org |
| 02:55.51 | peterS | NoUsesKnown: set your package search for 'testing' |
| 02:55.52 | woodyst | IrishKitty: it is a bash file |
| 02:56.05 | IrishKitty | /usr/bin/evilwm & |
| 02:56.07 | NoUsesKnown | peterS: thank you |
| 02:56.14 | IrishKitty | s/of/or/ |
| 02:56.26 | peterS | IrishKitty: normally you put either your window manager or your session manager at the end of the script, *without* a & after it |
| 02:56.29 | IronLeg | hello all, new to IRC, new to Debian (love it), is xchat the IRC client of choice? TIA |
| 02:56.39 | t-jack | Thoth: I correct... Anything done with at least one other, has cult-think spects. |
| 02:56.40 | woodyst | IrishKitty: it is better "exec /usr/bin/evilwm". you get 800k more because you kill the shell first |
| 02:56.42 | peterS | IronLeg: probably irssi-text is the client of choice around here |
| 02:56.43 | JoePenguin | IronLeg: yes |
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| 02:56.47 | IrishKitty | woodyst: aaah |
| 02:56.59 | Thoth | t-jack: but I'm not going to masses and joining activities |
| 02:57.00 | peterS | IronLeg: but xchat certainly has a lot of users too |
| 02:57.05 | Thoth | I'm doing my own research |
| 02:57.06 | IrishKitty | woodyst: may I pm you my 6 line .xsession please? |
| 02:57.10 | Thoth | there's a definite difference |
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| 02:57.21 | woodyst | IrishKitty: ok |
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| 02:57.34 | IronLeg | thanks all -- will now do some reading :) |
| 02:57.44 | g4lt | Thoth you ought to engage in #debian tardsday masses |
| 02:57.46 | t-jack | Thoth: There's a point. Let's drop it, eh? We've taken it too long. :) |
| 02:57.59 | Thoth | t-jack: I was kinda waiting for you to say that |
| 02:58.09 | Thoth | SO I was told that sarge has a radeon xserver |
| 02:58.11 | Thoth | but I don't see it |
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| 02:58.14 | Vizzie | Hey, I've got a problem.. In the last day or so, my system clock has been drifting pretty bad. |
| 02:58.15 | woodyst | IrishKitty: it's right, but i do not see the wm invocation |
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| 02:58.30 | Vizzie | Looks like about 1 second per minute. |
| 02:58.32 | g4lt | Thoth it's part of xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:58.37 | Thoth | ah |
| 02:58.42 | peterS | Vizzie: that's pretty bad indeed |
| 02:58.44 | IrishKitty | woodyst: exec evilwm & |
| 02:58.55 | peterS | Vizzie: you should be able to control it by running ntp from the 'ntp-simple' package |
| 02:58.58 | woodyst | IrishKitty: it is ok |
| 02:58.58 | Vizzie | Rebooting didn't help |
| 02:59.04 | g4lt | Thoth what model of radeon? |
| 02:59.05 | peterS | Vizzie: assuming you're on the Internet often enough |
| 02:59.18 | IrishKitty | do I need the whole path to the wm, or just its name? |
| 02:59.22 | Thoth | stupid debian lspci doesn't say |
| 02:59.24 | peterS | Vizzie: but as to why your clock is suddenly drifting - who knows. kernel bug, if you've recently changed kernels, or hardware failure |
| 02:59.26 | IrishKitty | is there any harm in the full path? |
| 02:59.28 | woodyst | Vizzie: it may be bios battery |
| 02:59.29 | Vizzie | peterS: I've got ntp installed, but the drift is so bad that ntp won't sync the clock |
| 02:59.32 | Thoth | infact most of my devices in lspci are unknown in debian |
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| 02:59.38 | woodyst | Vizzie: try apt-get install ntpdate |
| 02:59.39 | Thoth | M5228 or somethin |
| 02:59.44 | Vizzie | woody: the hardware clock is fine. |
| 02:59.47 | Thoth | or maybe that was the ALi board |
| 02:59.55 | peterS | Vizzie: you should install 'ntpdate', which runs at boot time and syncs the clock as a one-time thing. then ntp starts up and keeps it in sync |
| 03:00.03 | woodyst | Vizzie: what kernel do you have installed= |
| 03:00.04 | woodyst | ? |
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| 03:00.16 | Vizzie | I've got ntpdate, I've got hwclock, and I've got ntp-server. |
| 03:00.29 | Vizzie | Currently running 2.4.26 |
| 03:00.30 | t-jack | Thoth: Take out the card and check the label. |
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| 03:00.38 | Thoth | it's a lappy. |
| 03:00.42 | woodyst | Vizzie: is it patched? |
| 03:00.44 | t-jack | Ah |
| 03:00.44 | Thoth | HP pavilion ze4800 |
| 03:00.50 | mlaks | hi |
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| 03:00.58 | Vizzie | dmesg says it's using local APIC timer interrupts |
| 03:01.02 | woodyst | hi mlaks |
| 03:01.14 | woodyst | Vizzie: if HZ=100 it is right |
| 03:01.21 | Vizzie | No, no patches. |
| 03:01.33 | woodyst | Vizzie: is it a PC |
| 03:01.35 | IrishKitty | how much bw does ntp use? |
| 03:01.37 | Thoth | ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 |
| 03:01.40 | Thoth | t-jack: ^^^ |
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| 03:01.49 | Vizzie | Yes, it's a PC. Homebuilt. |
| 03:01.50 | woodyst | IrishKitty: it updates clock from inet |
| 03:02.05 | IrishKitty | woodyst: yeah, how much bandwidth does that require? |
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| 03:02.24 | Vizzie | If I do hwclock --hctosys && ntpdate clapton, I get a consistent offset of less than a second |
| 03:02.26 | woodyst | Vizzie: then you may see errors from clock correction |
| 03:02.42 | mlaks | thanks. I am trying to find out. Does the debian on the powerpc have the full range of debs as on intel386 |
| 03:02.49 | t-jack | Des Moines hawks a Hair Ball! |
| 03:03.00 | k-man_ | how can i track down why apache is failing to start? |
| 03:03.01 | Vizzie | If I let it sit, then it loses about a second per minute |
| 03:03.02 | woodyst | IrishKitty: it only syncs at boot time and needs some bytes, not much |
| 03:03.10 | Vizzie | and ntpd won't make the correction. |
| 03:03.12 | Thoth | k-man: /path/to/apache/logs/error_log |
| 03:03.16 | Thoth | +cat |
| 03:03.19 | Thoth | or tail |
| 03:03.24 | k-man_ | i don't get anything useful in /var/log/apache/error |
| 03:03.28 | woodyst | Vizzie: ntpd has some problems with big differences |
| 03:03.32 | k-man_ | theres nothing there thoth |
| 03:03.39 | Vizzie | woody: exactly. |
| 03:03.51 | Thoth | maybe you're using a different error log |
| 03:04.03 | Vizzie | The system clock is drifting too fast for ntp to make the correction. |
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| 03:04.06 | nailbiter | Vizzie: --hctosys will clobber your system clock with your CMOS clock's time. |
| 03:04.10 | Thoth | or maybe apache doesn't have write access to the error_log |
| 03:04.14 | Thoth | which would cause it to fail |
| 03:04.26 | Vizzie | Yes, I know what hctosys does. |
| 03:04.26 | woodyst | Vizzie: wait a moment |
| 03:04.34 | IrishKitty | you know, apt on a 486 is really really slow! |
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| 03:04.44 | k-man_ | no, thats the correct path to the error log |
| 03:04.58 | Tyler-Durden | hi, something is missing in my XF86Config file for the scrolling in the mouse... |
| 03:05.16 | Thoth | you didn't select a scrollmouse in the config setup |
| 03:05.17 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Och! Me tum's churnin like dozens of live bamboo grubs... |
| 03:05.18 | Wind2 | If I type in lvscan : I get Incorrect metadata area header checksum -- whats that ? |
| 03:05.21 | woodyst | Vizzie: in what package is there ntpd |
| 03:05.22 | Tyler-Durden | ...seams like: Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true" |
| 03:05.35 | Tyler-Durden | and Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 03:05.42 | Vizzie | woody: I meant ntp-server/ntp-simple |
| 03:05.47 | Moose- | Does mysql seem to be broken for anyone else in unstable? I get /etc/init.d/mysql[32652]: error: 'Access denied for user: 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' (Using password: YES)'. But of course that user won't be able to login... |
| 03:05.49 | IrishKitty | bloody hell, nano uses 1MB! |
| 03:05.50 | Tyler-Durden | doesn't do much diference |
| 03:05.53 | woodyst | Tyler-Durden: Emulate3Buttons false |
| 03:05.56 | Tyler-Durden | any ideas? |
| 03:05.56 | Vizzie | I'm just used to calling it ntpd :) |
| 03:06.02 | Thoth | IrishKitty: that'll teach you |
| 03:06.16 | Tyler-Durden | ok, thanks. |
| 03:06.18 | woodyst | Moose-: administrator password? |
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| 03:06.26 | IrishKitty | Thoth: teach me what? I am uninstalling it! |
| 03:06.29 | IrishKitty | vim forever! |
| 03:06.31 | Thoth | to use vi |
| 03:06.32 | Thoth | :D |
| 03:06.41 | Tyler-Durden | emacs ;) |
| 03:06.41 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy: Of course, it could be coz I ate almost a whole jar of lotus root... |
| 03:06.50 | IrishKitty | tho actually I may put elvis on this box, its a 486, anything else will kill it |
| 03:06.52 | Moose- | woodyst: well, that user doesn't exist. I have no clue what password it's using. |
| 03:06.58 | k-man_ | they only message i get in the log is [Wed Aug 4 12:44:36 2004] [info] mod_unique_id: using ip addr 10.0.2.16 |
| 03:07.00 | woodyst | Tyler-Durden: emacs is big a lot... |
| 03:07.08 | k-man_ | thats with debug level logging |
| 03:07.21 | Tyler-Durden | don't say that, is fantastic! |
| 03:07.37 | woodyst | Moose-: no, i say you have to correct the mysql admin password and put it in /etc/default/mysql |
| 03:07.38 | Thoth | Tyler-Durden: hacktic? |
| 03:07.52 | Tyler-Durden | hacktic?! |
| 03:07.53 | woodyst | Moose-: try dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server |
| 03:07.55 | Thoth | n/m |
| 03:08.01 | Thoth | Tyler-Durden: did I see your name in vuln-dev? |
| 03:08.08 | Vizzie | So, no one has any suggestions for my time problem that I haven't tried then? |
| 03:08.11 | g4lt | hacktic is a bunch of lightweights |
| 03:08.19 | Thoth | hacktic is a dude on dalnet |
| 03:08.21 | Thoth | friend of mine |
| 03:08.23 | Thoth | named tyler durden |
| 03:08.41 | nailbiter | Moose-: 'debian-sys-maint' is the user /etc/init.d/mysql logs in as when it's shutting down (or flushing) the database. it's created automatically (with a random password) when you install a fresh copy of mysql-server .. |
| 03:08.46 | deadcat | Thoth: (= tyler knows all |
| 03:08.48 | deadcat | http://deadcat.thegunn.com/tmp/20040803.linuxworldexpo/ |
| 03:08.57 | Tyler-Durden | Is from the movie "Fight Club", so is very popular. |
| 03:09.03 | woodyst | Tyler-Durden: emacs is like a complete OS, so I use Debian as OS and vim as editor |
| 03:09.05 | Moose- | hmm |
| 03:09.09 | Moose- | okay, going to try.. |
| 03:09.14 | nailbiter | Moose-: did you already have a previous mysql installation? |
| 03:09.30 | Tyler-Durden | well, what do you do in VI that i can't in emacs? |
| 03:10.01 | g4lt | Tyler-Durden stay sane |
| 03:10.06 | woodyst | Tyler-Durden: I spend only 7MB of RAM |
| 03:10.23 | Tyler-Durden | is fair... |
| 03:10.31 | g4lt | emacs is the one editor with a built-in psychoanalyst, and the only one that needs one |
| 03:10.39 | woodyst | Tyler-Durden: and my cpu is free |
| 03:10.59 | Tyler-Durden | but i don't use a 486 with 32mb RAM for developing |
| 03:11.02 | IrishKitty | erm, have I just started an editor war? |
| 03:11.23 | Moose- | nailbiter: yes |
| 03:11.28 | Tyler-Durden | no just talking, i like VI also. |
| 03:11.31 | woodyst | Tyler-Durden: ok, emacs is very fine. but i prefer vim |
| 03:11.36 | nailbiter | Moose-: and you installed the debian mysql package on top of that? |
| 03:11.50 | Moose- | nailbiter: No.. I apt-get upgraded. |
| 03:11.54 | Tyler-Durden | ok, we have a understading ;) |
| 03:12.18 | IrishKitty | how long do people think apt-get remove nano should take? |
| 03:12.35 | woodyst | sorry, i have to go |
| 03:12.37 | woodyst | bye |
| 03:12.39 | g4lt | IrishKitty since nano is base, forever |
| 03:12.48 | nailbiter | Moose-: alright -- perhaps you could connect to mysql (as the superuser) and check if the 'debian-sys-maint' exists? it might already, but with a different password .. |
| 03:12.52 | IrishKitty | g4lt: what do you mean by that? |
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| 03:13.44 | g4lt | IrishKitty there are many programs that implicitly depend on nano and don't have to say it, because no package needs declare a dependency on a package in base |
| 03:13.54 | Moose- | nailbiter: just a min.. |
| 03:14.18 | IrishKitty | g4lt: right, so what does that mean in plain english? am I uninstalling other stuff? |
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| 03:14.22 | t-jack | g4lt: You mean you cannot just de-install nano? |
| 03:14.41 | g4lt | IrishKitty you may end up doing so, yes |
| 03:15.01 | g4lt | t-jack alternatives are still a tricky thing.... |
| 03:15.05 | FBS | Can someone help me with figuring out my partitioning scheme? |
| 03:15.23 | Moose- | nailbiter: that user exists, LOOKS like a diff. password.. |
| 03:15.36 | g4lt | FBS put it all in /, problem solved |
| 03:15.37 | IrishKitty | g4lt: will it tell me if it wants to remove anythign else? |
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| 03:15.41 | Moose- | nailbiter: guess i could manually update the passwd with mysql, then copy and paste from table to /etc/mysql/debian.cnf? |
| 03:15.44 | g4lt | IrishKitty yes |
| 03:15.46 | t-jack | g4lt: Bah. easyeditor should be base, as it is in fBSD. |
| 03:15.46 | IrishKitty | and WHY THE HELL does mutt depend on exim ? |
| 03:15.51 | FBS | I have 1x3gb and 3x2gb. I can't touch 1x2gb until install is done. I'd like to have 2x2gb in RAID 1. Suggestions? It's a webserver going to be running Apache 2.0 and MySQL |
| 03:16.10 | g4lt | IrishKitty I warned you |
| 03:16.25 | IrishKitty | g4lt: no, thats unrelated, thisis on another machine |
| 03:16.25 | t-jack | IrishKitty: Are you effectively rm -rf / ? |
| 03:16.30 | IrishKitty | t-jack: no |
| 03:16.40 | t-jack | Hope not. |
| 03:16.43 | IrishKitty | I want to isntall mutt as an email client, to talk imap |
| 03:16.49 | IrishKitty | I DO NOT NEED EXIM |
| 03:16.54 | IrishKitty | yet it wants it installed |
| 03:17.08 | g4lt | fbs make the raid /var |
| 03:17.10 | JoePenguin | you could always compile mutt from source |
| 03:17.24 | nailbiter | Moose-: you're not comparing the mysql.user.password field against the one in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf, are you? the mysql table contains a hashed password, not a plaintext one .. |
| 03:17.26 | IrishKitty | JoePenguin: I use debian because of apt-get |
| 03:17.33 | IrishKitty | I don't want to fuck about with source |
| 03:17.43 | Moose- | nailbiter: /etc/mysql/debian.cnf contains a hashed password as well |
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| 03:18.09 | nailbiter | Moose-: debian.cnf contains a _randomly-generated_ plaintext password. it looks like, but isn't a hash. |
| 03:18.39 | nailbiter | Moose-: use "SELECT PASSWORD('foo')" in mysql to compute a hash from that. :) |
| 03:18.39 | Moose- | nailbiter: hmm, so wtf do I do? :) |
| 03:18.39 | IrishKitty | JoePenguin: to me a dependency should be what a package needs to run |
| 03:18.39 | Moose- | hmm |
| 03:18.44 | IrishKitty | mutt doesn't need a MTA, so why install one? |
| 03:18.52 | Moose- | nailbiter: then update the mysql.user table with the hasu? |
| 03:18.56 | Moose- | hash* |
| 03:18.56 | Pakal | Is there any way to skip the Y/n part when doing "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 03:18.59 | nailbiter | Moose-: yes. :) |
| 03:19.03 | Moose- | nailbiter: ok |
| 03:19.05 | peterS | IrishKitty: it does in the common case of wanting to send as well as read mail |
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| 03:19.15 | t-jack | Bah. Mozilla achieves another gaping DDoS chasm... When they gon' get that right? |
| 03:19.16 | nailbiter | Moose-: then do a 'FLUSH PRIVILEGES' in mysql to have the new password hash take effect |
| 03:19.31 | IrishKitty | peterS: surely you can config it to use SMTP? |
| 03:19.37 | IrishKitty | or have I missed something here |
| 03:19.56 | peterS | IrishKitty: not last I knew. they might have patched that capability in. but on Unix systems, doing your own SMTP is kind of a waste of time - that's what an MTA is *for* |
| 03:20.04 | nailbiter | Moose-: for example, if your debian.cnf password is 'Aiphood7', do "UPDATE mysql.users SET password = PASSWORD('Aiphood7') WHERE user = 'debian-sys-maint'" |
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| 03:20.12 | Wind2 | I get at LVM this Problem : Incorrect metadata area header checksum --- how can I fix it ? |
| 03:20.23 | IrishKitty | peterS: no, not that, I mean use my ISP's imap and SMTP servers |
| 03:20.47 | peterS | IrishKitty: exactly. that's what an MTA is for - to forward mail off your local system, to a smarthost (or directly to the internet destination) |
| 03:21.23 | peterS | IrishKitty: doing that job directly in your mail user app is major duplication of effort, which is why mutt never used to support that at all. this might have changed recently - I heard awhile back that there was a patch |
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| 03:22.30 | Moose- | nailbiter: sweet. thanks! |
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| 03:22.59 | [sumo] | k-god: around? |
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| 03:23.35 | nailbiter | Moose-: oops, i've made a typo. it's: "UPDATE mysql.user SET password = PASSWORD('Aiphood7') WHERE user = 'debian-sys-maint'" |
| 03:23.45 | Moose- | nailbiter: i knew enough i didn't need that anyway. ;) |
| 03:24.50 | simonrvn | plop, there goes the 'split |
| 03:24.50 | nailbiter | Moose-: oh. :) silly me |
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| 03:25.05 | simonrvn | oh well |
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| 03:26.35 | g4lt | holy netjoins, batman |
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| 03:26.38 | t-jack | simonrvn: Oh hell here they all come back. |
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| 03:26.48 | simonrvn | one at a time. weird |
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| 03:26.51 | simonrvn | or 2 |
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| 03:27.10 | IrishKitty | weird |
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| 03:27.17 | deadcat | simonrvn: want to see me crabbing the penguin's ass today at linuxworld? (= |
| 03:27.20 | g4lt | simonrvn note that they're all tardsday specials....we must therefore get rid of C&W |
| 03:27.25 | simonrvn | deadcat: no |
| 03:27.30 | deadcat | hehe |
| 03:27.34 | simonrvn | g4lt: heh |
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| 03:28.50 | simonrvn | fucking weird |
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| 03:29.15 | t-jack | I just recieved a synaptic butt fuck. Mozilla is resisting de-selection... |
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| 03:29.21 | t-jack | I just recieved a synaptic butt fuck. Mozilla is resisting de-selection... |
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| 03:29.27 | g4lt | simonrvn I guess that C&W has a tard-limiter |
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| 03:29.30 | simonrvn | we got you the first time |
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| 03:29.33 | [sumo] | hey t-jack |
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| 03:29.41 | simonrvn | g4lt: i guess |
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| 03:29.53 | g4lt | pity it didn't limit t-jack |
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| 03:30.00 | t-jack | Will these %^$& netjoins quit burrying me? |
| 03:30.10 | g4lt | not with luck |
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| 03:30.13 | peterS | t-jack: no |
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| 03:30.50 | t-jack | simonrvn: Go ahead, who cares. |
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