| 00:00.06 | gothtec | g4lt: good. thanks |
| 00:00.12 | g4lt | some of them are even "IT Professionals" |
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| 00:00.27 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: are you a "professional"? |
| 00:00.36 | PerfDave | bluefox83: Anyway, best of luck with your QCE, but it's 1am, I have to be up for work in the morning and out clubbing tomorrow night, so I'm off to bed. |
| 00:00.43 | sgeigerbot | !tell g4lt about services |
| 00:01.08 | bluefox83 | thanks a bunch PerfDave |
| 00:01.26 | g4lt | sgeigerbot they pay me and I do IT, but I doubt I could be called professional in anything other than the most cockeyed of circumstances |
| 00:01.35 | g4lt | !fuck sgeigerbot |
| 00:02.06 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: "IT" meaning what? What is "it"? |
| 00:02.09 | Alenadro | algien que hable espaƱol y ? |
| 00:02.14 | sgeigerbot | ~+spanish |
| 00:02.15 | apt | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 00:02.22 | g4lt | sgeigerbot as little as possible ;P |
| 00:02.25 | Alenadro | :p |
| 00:02.37 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: If you don't wear bluejeans to work (as I do), then you're a professional. |
| 00:02.41 | Alenadro | sorry I only knew #debian |
| 00:02.53 | sgeigerbot | that is to say, I wear blue jeans. ;-) |
| 00:03.09 | g4lt | sgeigerbot I actually prefer Dockers |
| 00:03.10 | sgeigerbot | dpkg: btw, was it good for you, too? |
| 00:03.16 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: i haven't a clue |
| 00:03.20 | sgeigerbot | g4lt: well, you're a professional. |
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| 00:03.32 | sgeigerbot | dpkg: you should pay attention next time. |
| 00:03.32 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: are you smoking crack? |
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| 00:05.16 | woodyst | hello! |
| 00:05.18 | julie | hi all, I need help. I've just installed bootsplash (using bootsplash.de packages) on my 2.6.7 debian box, and cannot boot anymore. Got a kernel panic, as if inird was broken, and my older kernel dont boot neither |
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| 00:05.43 | sgeigerbot | Would someone mind helping me try not to go insane? Okay, well, at least help with this: I've got a raid array controller with some hard drives on channel 1 and a tape drive on channel 2. I'm not sure why I can't access the tape drive. No friggin clue. |
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| 00:06.25 | woodyst | julie: can you boot other kernels? do you use lilo or grub? |
| 00:06.39 | sgeigerbot | julie: boot from a floppy or a livecd (like knoppix) and mount the hard drive and chroot into the mount point, recompile the kernel. |
| 00:06.45 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Running raid on a tape drive is really REALLY slow. |
| 00:06.46 | julie | I'm using lilo. And cannot boot on it |
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| 00:07.20 | julie | sgeigerbot: that doenst seem to be a kernel pb, but mostly in lilo, on initrd image (used to work fine before bootsplash installed its initrd) |
| 00:07.28 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: of course i'm not doing that. |
| 00:07.42 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Are you sure? |
| 00:07.55 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: No...and I'm halting the box right now to find out. |
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| 00:08.15 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: If it's scsi, check termination settings. |
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| 00:08.26 | woodyst | sgeigerbot: try with the correct device: /dev/srX |
| 00:08.49 | cafuego | woodyst: /dev/stX actually |
| 00:09.00 | julie | by the way sgeigerbot, is there a way to 'recompile' lilo with a live cd ? as my path are not the one in lilo.conf |
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| 00:09.08 | Galen | anyone know why I get this msg when I try to remove php4? "dpkg: error processing php4" |
| 00:10.02 | woodyst | julie: try booting from a grub-disk. then you would be able to pass different options for booting, as specifying other initrd images |
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| 00:11.26 | sp_ | hi . Does anyone know when i log on the console i have the following message . 'Unable to cd to "/home/sp"' . Off course this directory exist and is mounted... |
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| 00:11.51 | sp_ | i can sucessfuly log as root but not as another user |
| 00:12.00 | dabeej | where is the gdm Session files located? |
| 00:12.00 | Eradan | i am attempting to patch a kernel using a debian kernel patch .. the files Dl'ed aren't .patch files .. i tried cat file | patch -p1 but got this output: patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input. what am i doing wrong ? |
| 00:12.00 | dan2 | cafuego: whats that free x server for windows? |
| 00:12.15 | woodyst | julie: lilo stores the kernel image location in the mbr. so you can specify an image from another system using another lilo.conf with the correct parameters |
| 00:12.23 | cafuego | dan2: I think there's a free one called x-win |
| 00:12.25 | julie | actually at the moment, the only way to boot is using a rescue cd. But how can I reconfigure lilo with a rescue cd ? and where do you think my error from (message is "cannot open root device "303" or unknow block , please append correct "root=" boot option |
| 00:12.29 | cafuego | dan2: I use vnc, though. |
| 00:12.29 | dan2 | !x-win |
| 00:12.37 | dan2 | cafuego: same, but vnc is slow over ssh |
| 00:12.51 | dabeej | anyone know? |
| 00:12.52 | woodyst | Eradan: try "file <filename>" |
| 00:13.14 | Eradan | woodyst: ? |
| 00:13.40 | woodyst | julie: in lilo boot prompt: Linux root=/dev/hdaX, for example |
| 00:13.57 | Galen | subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 128 |
| 00:14.24 | woodyst | Eradan: the command "file" says the type of file you specify as 1st parameter |
| 00:14.34 | julie | I already got this woodyst. I got root=/dev/hda3 in my lilo.conf |
| 00:14.37 | Eradan | woodyst: this is the syntax i'm using: cat /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/apply/gfs | patch -p1 |
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| 00:14.41 | woodyst | Eradan: it may be compressed with gzip or bzi2 |
| 00:14.49 | cafuego | julie: Are you using a precompiled debian kernel? |
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| 00:14.59 | julie | got also: RAMDISK: couldnt find valid RAM disk image starting at 0 |
| 00:15.02 | woodyst | Eradan: then execute /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/apply/gfs |
| 00:15.03 | Eradan | woodyst: so file <filename> | patch -p1 ? |
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| 00:15.29 | julie | cafuego: no, I packaged mine (but from .config taken from kernel-image) |
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| 00:15.38 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: Would the raid array controller have a scsi cable coming out of it? or only cables that are controlled by the array controller? I can't find a cable long enough to go to the scsi tape drive. |
| 00:15.44 | julie | but If I boot on old one (debian packaged), same problem |
| 00:15.51 | cafuego | julie: yah, so the problem is that your lilo isn't referring to the correct initrd image, whioch would contain your IDE and filesystem drivers, so without those, the kernel cannot mount the root partition. |
| 00:15.53 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: ...if it's not one of the ones coming off that card. |
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| 00:16.39 | julie | okay cafuego. That can be the cause as bootsplash changed lilo + initrd to maybe its broken now. so what should I do now ? |
| 00:16.42 | woodyst | sorry, i pressed incorrect keys and closed my client |
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| 00:16.52 | woodyst | Eradan: this file is a shell script |
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| 00:16.57 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Depends on the controller, I've only ever worked with on-board ones.. and they all did have connectors with Ultra-Wide and SCSI2 (here anyway) |
| 00:16.58 | tcsetattr | maybe you should check the documentation for this raid/scsi controller to see what types of devices are supported |
| 00:17.00 | woodyst | Eradan: execute it as root |
| 00:17.19 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: I did have to buy myself a 90 cm Fat/Wide cable to hook up all HDDs though. |
| 00:17.26 | cafuego | s/Fat/Fast/ |
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| 00:18.19 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: these are on-board scsi controllers. |
| 00:18.32 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: I saw some labels... |
| 00:19.10 | k-man__ | i get this problem with fetchmail every so often. it seems to hang, and stops fetching emails |
| 00:19.17 | k-man__ | i run it in daemon mode |
| 00:19.30 | woodyst | k-man__: system wide service? |
| 00:19.31 | k-man__ | has anyone else hand that problem? |
| 00:19.38 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Then it will likely have 2 or more connectors. |
| 00:19.45 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: How old is it? |
| 00:19.50 | woodyst | Eradan: have you executed this file? see it first with and editor |
| 00:19.57 | Eradan | yeah |
| 00:20.02 | k-man__ | woodyst, yeah |
| 00:20.12 | woodyst | Eradan: this means you need a patch for sarge or sid |
| 00:20.14 | Galen | anyone know when will php5 will be in apt-get? |
| 00:20.15 | k-man__ | its very annoying |
| 00:20.23 | k-man__ | and I'm going away for 6 weeks |
| 00:20.25 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Mine has a 168pin fat/wide and an 80-pin (looks like ATA) scsi2 |
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| 00:20.35 | k-man__ | and I don't want it failing while im away |
| 00:20.36 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: thanks...I fucking finally have my head out of my ass. |
| 00:20.40 | Eradan | woodyst: yeah .. reading the patch it's for 2.6.7 |
| 00:20.44 | Eradan | woodyst: dl'ing new source now :) |
| 00:20.53 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: Remember to blow your nose, then ;-) |
| 00:21.01 | woodyst | Galen: see www.debian.org and search in debian packages |
| 00:21.25 | woodyst | Galen: if not try www.apt.org |
| 00:21.26 | Eradan | sgeigerbot: BTW ... GFS is in the debian kernel patch archives ! :) |
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| 00:21.44 | Galen | woodyst: there is one but for woody :( |
| 00:22.03 | k-man__ | woodyst, any ideas? |
| 00:22.03 | bluefox83 | ineed the name of a program that will let me take a picture with my webcam..any ideas? |
| 00:22.38 | Galen | who can you force a pakage to be removed? |
| 00:22.56 | woodyst | k-man__: try fetchmail -v by hand (with .fetchmailrc in your home) |
| 00:22.57 | julie | cafuego: well, I boot on knopix, mount my old filesystem, and chrooted on it; now I should reinstall lilo that's it ? |
| 00:23.21 | woodyst | bluefox83: gqcam? |
| 00:23.26 | macewan | xawtv? |
| 00:23.40 | woodyst | julie: right |
| 00:24.13 | woodyst | Galen: dpkg -r --force-depends <package>, but it may be dangerous if you do not know what you're doing |
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| 00:24.27 | macewan | Camorama? |
| 00:24.38 | Galen | woodyst: I doesnt work |
| 00:24.45 | tux | when i try to upgrade i got error "Bad header line" for some packages , why is that ? |
| 00:24.54 | woodyst | Galen: what is your problem?= |
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| 00:25.18 | pmcdonnell | How can I tell if my machine is using devfs? |
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| 00:25.48 | Galen | woodyst: well someone messed up all apache and php config on our server |
| 00:26.00 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: mount (if you use devfs you will see an entry) |
| 00:26.16 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, thanks |
| 00:26.21 | Galen | woodyst: So I decided to remove php4 and apache |
| 00:26.36 | woodyst | Galen: apt-get install --reinstall php4 |
| 00:26.52 | k-man__ | woodyst, yeah, i guess |
| 00:26.59 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: :) |
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| 00:27.18 | woodyst | tux: your apt database may be broken |
| 00:27.37 | Meth[Linux] | Anyone been able to successfully hide menu items using the menu package in debian? |
| 00:27.46 | woodyst | tux: apt-get update |
| 00:27.54 | Galen | woodyst: apt-get promts Reinstallation of php4 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded |
| 00:28.22 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: remove or move to other location packages in /usr/share/menu/<package> |
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| 00:28.32 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: I think I owe you a large hunt of cheese. |
| 00:28.40 | sgeigerbot | s/hunt/hunk/ |
| 00:28.42 | woodyst | Galen: what are your sources.list? |
| 00:29.04 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: won't they be put right back whenever menu updates? |
| 00:29.35 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: you can override menu info in /etc/menu |
| 00:29.48 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: you can see /usr/share/doc/menu/README.Debian |
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| 00:30.09 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: you can see /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz |
| 00:30.24 | Galen | woodyst: linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian hrw.one.pl/apt/ mirros.usc.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian tux.org/pub/ java/debian |
| 00:31.09 | woodyst | Galen: add http://http.us.debian.org(or other mirror)/debian stable main contrib |
| 00:31.09 | t-jack | sgeigerbot: Cheesy gift, I think. |
| 00:31.27 | k-man__ | oh... did ESR write fetchmail? |
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| 00:31.40 | k-man__ | is there any alternatives to fetchmail? |
| 00:31.40 | Nurbs | yes |
| 00:31.40 | sgeigerbot | julie: did you get it figured out? |
| 00:31.43 | Nurbs | yes |
| 00:31.44 | Galen | woodyst: ok |
| 00:31.47 | woodyst | k-man__: yes |
| 00:31.49 | k-man__ | Nurbs, what? |
| 00:31.57 | k-man__ | ESR scares me |
| 00:31.58 | jhujhiti | http://www.dc.gosume.com/etc/backplane-far.jpg and http://www.dc.gosume.com/etc/backplane-close.jpg anyone have any idea how i hook up the scsi cables to that backplane? it's 12 bays on the front.. |
| 00:32.00 | Nurbs | k-man__: I think getmail or something |
| 00:32.01 | woodyst | k-man__: it's a very good program |
| 00:32.16 | k-man__ | woodyst, what is a good program? |
| 00:32.27 | deadcat | what are teh most common words mispelled? eg "teh == the" ? |
| 00:32.29 | flevour | hey all, do you think i can safely partition a 80G hd, with WinXP already installed, whole installation and stuff using 5G of space, without hurting windows? |
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| 00:32.42 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: I read menu.txt.gz, plus the man page, plus searched google |
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| 00:32.46 | woodyst | k-man__: it is very efficient, well programmed, etc |
| 00:32.48 | Nurbs | well, fetchmail still has the most options that I've found. still, I'd like to see support for storing .fetchmailrc's in LDAP, SQL and such things |
| 00:32.48 | Galen | woodyst: most I use stable? |
| 00:32.59 | k-man__ | woodyst, fetchmail? |
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| 00:33.10 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: they all say you can make a zero length file in the ~/.menu folder with the name of the package |
| 00:33.11 | g4lt | !fgi deadcat most+common+irc+misspellings |
| 00:33.11 | Skorp | Hi, how do u enable 4channel sound :/ ? |
| 00:33.11 | dpkg | deadcat: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=most+common+irc+misspellings |
| 00:33.15 | deadcat | k |
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| 00:33.18 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: So I did that and it doesn't work |
| 00:33.31 | julie | sgeigerbot: I'm working on it |
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| 00:33.49 | elysium702 | I'm having a problem installing xcdroast, the error is "xcdroast: Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2 (>= 0.22.0-3) but it is not going to be installed". There is nothing about it on the BTS, how can i resolve this? |
| 00:33.56 | julie | I've just recompild lilo |
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| 00:34.01 | Skorp | So, anyway for all of my 4 speakers to be alive o_O ? |
| 00:34.05 | julie | same thing on reboot :( |
| 00:34.08 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: if you copy /usr/share/menu/mozilla to /etc/menu and then remove the contents of /etc/menu/mozilla, then execute update-menus, you override mozilla menu entry with nothing |
| 00:34.16 | woodyst | k-man__: yes |
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| 00:34.51 | julie | well, I managed to make my old kernel work, so thats a bit better |
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| 00:35.06 | woodyst | Galen: if you want. php4 is there. you haven't to remove the actual sources, only you add new sources and get packages allways last version you point |
| 00:35.19 | t-jack | elysium702: Install offending depend seperately. |
| 00:35.24 | woodyst | julie :) |
| 00:35.34 | Galen | woodyst: oks |
| 00:35.35 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: Can I do that as a regular user or do I need root access? |
| 00:35.48 | Skorp | How to enable 4channel sound ? |
| 00:36.06 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: Isn't that going to effect every user on the system? |
| 00:36.11 | elysium702 | t-jack: I tried that, then a new error: "libgdk-pixbuf2: Depends: libtiff3g but it is not installable" |
| 00:36.11 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: you need root privileges to override system defaults (etc/menu) |
| 00:36.47 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: menus are system wide, so you have to copy the menu file to your home and do changes by hand |
| 00:36.47 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: So there's no way for a specific (non-root) user to hide menu items? |
| 00:36.51 | t-jack | elysium702: And what happens if you continue the process |
| 00:36.53 | t-jack | ? |
| 00:37.09 | elysium702 | t-jack: I can't, it gives an error of broken packages and bails. |
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| 00:37.44 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: ~/.menu does the same for every user |
| 00:37.48 | flevour | when creating a partition from a non-partitioned hd with data inside it, will i be loosing the data? is there any way to avoid this? |
| 00:37.56 | t-jack | elysium702: If you install libtif3g seperately? |
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| 00:38.31 | woodyst | flevour: you do not override data (only mbr and hd info) until you mkfs |
| 00:38.33 | elysium702 | t-jack: E: Package libtiff3g has no installation candidate |
| 00:38.35 | michal | anyone here use matroxfb under 2.6.7 ? |
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| 00:38.38 | Fozzie | Question: Is it possible to chroot as a user with a vanilla kernel ? |
| 00:38.47 | julie | that's better; I got no kernel panic anymore, but a modprobe problem, gonna recompile this new kernel I thins (could not load modules.dep) |
| 00:38.47 | Skorp | So, as I see no one knows anything about 4channel sound o_O |
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| 00:39.08 | flevour | woodyst: so as long as i dont put partition point inside the data space, i should be ok? |
| 00:39.16 | Galen | woodyst: php4 is not there |
| 00:39.16 | woodyst | Fozzie: chroot needs root privileges |
| 00:39.32 | Galen | woodyst: I think all this mess will end on reinstall |
| 00:39.43 | michal | i'm not sure whether the kernel driver is busted (google searches suggest it's been busted since 2.5.x but I don't believe this to be true) |
| 00:39.45 | t-jack | elysium702: I'd say install libtif3g from sourcefile. |
| 00:39.47 | Galen | hey ROOT |
| 00:39.55 | woodyst | flevour: yes. i lost all partitions in a disk, re-generated it with fdisk and disk was ok with all data |
| 00:39.55 | Fozzie | woodyst: Ahh.. hrmm ok. I'm trying to secure a process. I want to run it as a normal user in a chroot. got any docs I can read for setting up something like this? |
| 00:40.14 | elysium702 | t-jack: okies, i'll give it a shot... need to find it first. |
| 00:40.16 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: That's the problem though, I did put the stuff in ~/.menu and it doesn't work |
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| 00:40.34 | tuxillo | hi |
| 00:40.46 | flevour | woodyst: so, i go partitioning with no fear of loosing data? at most, i will recreate a non partitioned hd partition table ? |
| 00:40.50 | t-jack | elysium702: Wish you luck and skill. |
| 00:41.04 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: have you executed update-menus as this user? and what wm you are in? |
| 00:41.24 | elysium702 | t-jack: cheers |
| 00:41.45 | woodyst | flevour: yes, but a backup is never a bad idea |
| 00:41.46 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: Yes, I've run update-menus with and without the -v option as the user |
| 00:41.48 | tuxillo | I've used apt-build to compile some packages, "optimized" for pentium2, but when I "file executable" it shows up information that says it's for 80386. How can I check out if my package was compiled for i686?? |
| 00:42.10 | woodyst | flevour: try it with an emulator, as qemu or vmware |
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| 00:42.36 | tuxillo | Any clues????? |
| 00:42.46 | flevour | woodyst: btw, i will loose my mbr, so as long as i dont install lilo i wont be able to access windows any more, right? |
| 00:42.48 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: -v has the line that's it's "Reading menu-entry files in /home/nhanson/.menu/. |
| 00:42.53 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: docs says that all you put in ~/.menu/ changes menu env for a user |
| 00:43.07 | Galen | tuxillo: well u can use apt-get.org to get soruces with your specific arch |
| 00:43.10 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: but the next line says: 0 menu entries found (0 total) |
| 00:43.13 | woodyst | flevour: what is your concrete case? |
| 00:43.42 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: try copying a file from /usr/share/menu/ to ~/.menu/ and repeat |
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| 00:43.50 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: but I DO have a zero length file as the docs say named xbase-clients (the package I want to remove the menu entries for) |
| 00:43.52 | tuxillo | Galen: I'm just wonder if I can check out if one executable binary has been optimized :PPP |
| 00:43.58 | flevour | woodyst: 80G hd, only windows installed atm, using 5G. new notebook, just taken off from the parcel |
| 00:44.14 | michal | great.. X works but the framebuffer doesn't.. just what i didn't want |
| 00:44.15 | flevour | woodyst: i want to prepare the hard disk for a linux installation |
| 00:44.16 | Galen | tuxillo: ok :p |
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| 00:45.02 | tuxillo | any clues guys? :( |
| 00:45.09 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: see man menu, i've extracted this info from here |
| 00:45.17 | michal | any idea why standard vesa modes don't work on the matrox framebuffer? |
| 00:45.22 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: see man update-menus, i've extracted this info from here |
| 00:45.34 | woodyst | flevour: what windows version? |
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| 00:45.41 | flevour | woodyst: XP HE |
| 00:45.47 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: I did read them before I came here, that's how I knew to make the zero length file in the ~/.menu dir |
| 00:45.53 | elysium702 | t-jack: It's ok, the lib wasn't in the sid repository for some strange reason... so i grabbed it from testing and installed it manually with dpkg. Now I've installed xcdroast without a glitch. Cheers. |
| 00:45.55 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: The problem is it's not working |
| 00:45.58 | TheoMurpse | i'm trying to get sound on my debian distro to work...my sound card is a CMI8738/C3DX PCI Audio Device...anyone know what driver i should install? |
| 00:46.03 | flevour | woodyst: hd defrag'ed |
| 00:46.21 | mejde | I'm experiencing umask woes. The scenario: have shared dir for some users belonging to group "stuff". Want default umask in X to be 002. Where do I change it? |
| 00:46.31 | woodyst | flevour: try resizing partition and fs with parted or something similar |
| 00:46.41 | tcsetattr | umask is not a property of a directory. It's a property of a process. |
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| 00:46.49 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: wait a moment, i will try to modify my menus |
| 00:46.51 | gothtec | Shite. I've somehow managed to misplace the PATH line in root's .bashrc. Anyone who has the original PATH line in their /root/.bashrc and feel like msg'ing it to me or something? |
| 00:47.00 | TheoMurpse | the box says it's a Diamond DT-688 Audio Processor |
| 00:47.16 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: Try to remove something... it may be remove specific |
| 00:47.17 | flevour | woodyst: from knoppix? or is parted a win app? |
| 00:47.24 | tuxillo | mejde: .bash.profile??? |
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| 00:47.46 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: just drop a zero length file with the same name as a package in ~/.menu and then run update-menus as that user |
| 00:48.00 | tuxillo | mejde: .bash_profile in each user home directory, I meant :P |
| 00:48.03 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: That's what I did... unless I'm missing something that's what the man pages say to do |
| 00:48.10 | michal | so much for lies of linux support :/ they seem to remove working support for hardware as kernel development moves on. |
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| 00:48.15 | jurka | gothtec: root doesn't have any PATH in .bashrc |
| 00:48.16 | mejde | tuxillo: really? does that change umask for... say nautilus? |
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| 00:48.33 | uruboro | TheoMurpse, i dunno about your particular sound card you may want to see if it's supported by alsa, see http://alsa-project.org/ |
| 00:49.05 | gothtec | jurka: ah. I got an error saying certain things should be in root's PATH, but I guess that's because the line is there in the first place, then. Maybe if I removed it... |
| 00:49.06 | TheoMurpse | uruboro: thanks i'm going to check it out now...just wish knoppix could autodetect it...then i'd know right off the bat what driver to use ^_^ |
| 00:49.08 | tuxillo | mejde: I thought you were talking about shells :P |
| 00:49.09 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: update-menus with .menu/<package> works right in my system. what wm do you use? |
| 00:49.27 | Meth[Linux] | blackbox |
| 00:49.34 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: blackbox |
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| 00:49.42 | jurka | gothtec: what is it looking for? |
| 00:49.48 | carrett | is there a way to get procmail to forward anything from someone in my aliases to my inbox? |
| 00:49.51 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: The menus update fine though when I install new packages and stuff |
| 00:49.53 | mejde | tuxillo: Shells are the easy part ;) |
| 00:50.01 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: you may have a blackbox static menu entry that overrides menu package's one |
| 00:50.01 | michal | bah.. need to reboot for the billionth time |
| 00:50.19 | mejde | tuxillo: It's KDE, GNOME and what not that buggers it up... |
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| 00:50.47 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: what package did you want to eliminate from menus? |
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| 00:51.04 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: xbase-clients |
| 00:51.19 | kreg | so what's the best athlonXP out there? |
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| 00:51.49 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: copy /usr/lib/menu/xbase-clients to ~/.menu/ |
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| 00:52.06 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: then remove the contents you do not want there |
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| 00:52.17 | gothtec | jurka: NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. \n E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
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| 00:52.19 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: then do update-menus as the user |
| 00:52.30 | gothtec | jurka: so I figured I had to put those in PATH in .bashrc... |
| 00:52.31 | mejde | I figure changing /etc/login.defs will modify umask for other important things that really ought to have it set to 022? |
| 00:52.40 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: then try your menu and if there are no changes restart blackbox |
| 00:52.45 | jetscreamer | anybody want a url for beta vs2005? :) /me ducks |
| 00:52.49 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: you are the greatest. |
| 00:53.03 | woodyst | jurka: add it in /root/.bashrc |
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| 00:53.39 | woodyst | jetscreamer: what is vs2005? |
| 00:53.42 | gothtec | woodyst: i imagine that was for me.. and jurka just told me root doesn't HAVE a PATH line in .bashrc ... |
| 00:53.53 | pmcdonnell | Can OpenVPN be configured to allow users from any network to connect, or must it be from only a single network? |
| 00:53.55 | mejde | Hmmm... and the system doesn't seem to pay any heed to USERGROUPS_ENAB. Or maybe I misunderstood what it does. |
| 00:54.01 | woodyst | gothtec: sorry |
| 00:54.02 | jurka | gothtec: doing su - and echo $PATH yields /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
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| 00:54.26 | gothtec | jurka: but where is that coming from? |
| 00:54.31 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: OpenVPN can run as a gateway or for roaming warriors as ipsec |
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| 00:54.39 | gothtec | jurka: in what file is that set? cause i have obviously screwed up that file |
| 00:54.45 | deadcat | need help to get rid of the borderline in aterm. using openbox. |
| 00:55.15 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: okay I did that and it still doesn't work |
| 00:55.18 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, I'm not sure I understand -- basically, I have 10 users of a machine. I want all 10 users to be able to connect securely to this machine from their home computers. Will OpenVPN support that? |
| 00:55.26 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: What version of menu are you using? |
| 00:55.41 | jetscreamer | nm woodyst |
| 00:55.45 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: yes |
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| 00:56.06 | woodyst | Meth[Linux] : 2.1.5-10.1 |
| 00:56.09 | gothtec | pmcdonnell: sshd is a bit easier for connecting securely... |
| 00:56.14 | LSorensen | Hmm, the topic info about the kernel to use to avoid the kernel memory read exploit is wrong. There is no kernel that doesn't have that problem. |
| 00:56.15 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, that's good, but I can't figure out HOWTO do that after reading the HOWTO |
| 00:56.22 | lordrazix | man > |
| 00:56.27 | LSorensen | well except those without 64bit file access |
| 00:56.28 | jurka | gothtec: well some of it comes from /etc/profile, but I can't say where the sbin part comes from |
| 00:56.33 | pmcdonnell | gothtec, I need to tunnel some UDP stuff, which SSH doesn't do |
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| 00:56.42 | uruboro | LSorensen that's why im reading man page for patch :) |
| 00:56.46 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: mine says 2.1.15 in synaptic... where did you get the longer version number? |
| 00:56.46 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: you have better options if all them use linux and you do so |
| 00:57.00 | woodyst | Meth[Linux] : from stable |
| 00:57.23 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, For the moment, I can require the use of Linux, though I would like to attempt to allow windows clients eventually - but thats not a priority |
| 00:57.31 | uruboro | LSorensen, go to kernel.org get the patch and apply to the 2.6.7 source |
| 00:57.32 | gothtec | Where do the sbin parts of root's $PATH come from? I have somehow fucked root's $PATH up and I need to correct it. |
| 00:57.38 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: try downloading source from debian and compiling it |
| 00:57.45 | LSorensen | uruboro: where is the patch at on kernel.org? |
| 00:58.07 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: you can allow them by ssh, and exporting the DISPLAY with sshd |
| 00:58.07 | uruboro | LSorensen, in the front page? lemme check |
| 00:58.13 | jurka | gothtec: actually ~root/.profile has /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 00:58.22 | LSorensen | uruboro: hmm, I don't see it there |
| 00:58.34 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, ? |
| 00:58.45 | uruboro | clear your cache and try again i see it as second link |
| 00:58.51 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: it's just odd that it works for you and not me... I can't figure out why that would be |
| 00:59.06 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, what does exporting DISPLAY have to do with anything? |
| 00:59.11 | uruboro | LSorensen, "The latest prepatch for the stable Linux kernel tree is: 2.6.8-rc3" |
| 00:59.11 | LSorensen | uruboro: hmm, ok |
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| 00:59.23 | gothtec | jurka: ah. it's missing :D I'll grab it from another box of mine |
| 00:59.31 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: have you got a jabber account. i would explain to you there respecting the others |
| 00:59.40 | LSorensen | uruboro: that does NOT fix it. |
| 00:59.44 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: because it would be long |
| 01:00.00 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, no jabber account, but I'm open to /query or /dcc chat |
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| 01:00.01 | LSorensen | uruboro: unless they fixed it without a word of it in the changelog |
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| 01:00.13 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: ok |
| 01:00.24 | uruboro | LSorensen, oh then i am compiling for nothing ... |
| 01:00.32 | LSorensen | uruboro: and rc3 is from a day before the vulnerability was announced |
| 01:00.39 | LSorensen | uruboro: as I said, the topic is WRONG. |
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| 01:00.46 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: That's the difference... |
| 01:00.56 | Choumi | I need help |
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| 01:01.07 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, let me try initializing it... |
| 01:01.09 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: You're using 2.1.5-10.1 and I'm using 2.1.15 |
| 01:01.10 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: how i can use the dcc chat |
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| 01:01.18 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: It must be a bug |
| 01:01.32 | tenyrswint | exit |
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| 01:01.40 | uruboro | LSorensen, oh ok must hunt for the patch myself then |
| 01:01.49 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: The version I'm using is the one in testing/unstable |
| 01:02.02 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: download src packages from www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 01:02.04 | pmcdonnell | woodyst, I /query'ed you -- did it work? |
| 01:02.05 | LSorensen | uruboro: assuming one exists yet |
| 01:02.16 | LSorensen | Who has access to fix the topic? |
| 01:02.25 | LSorensen | aka who has ops |
| 01:02.44 | lordrazix | !ops |
| 01:02.44 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 01:03.18 | sussudio | ~seen netsnipe |
| 01:03.19 | apt | netsnipe <netsnipe@c211-30-32-119.mirnd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #slug, 11d 12h 49m 42s ago, saying: 'bob2: what a cheap contraception!'. |
| 01:03.26 | LSorensen | something like: topic #Debian mod s/Use 2.6.8-rc or 2.4.27 or 2.2.x or |
| 01:03.27 | LSorensen | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.27 | LSorensen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:04.35 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: I've never compiled anything on linux in my life... other than kernels (which I did by following step by step through the debian walk-through) |
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| 01:05.09 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: ok i am helping pmcdonnell now. when i finish i will help you |
| 01:05.19 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: it is a little long |
| 01:05.22 | gothtec | jurka: I tried logging in as root again in another terminal. $PATH wasn't changed :( |
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| 01:05.34 | Choumi | " I just go nuts for girls named Menke who suck on their pinky." |
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| 01:05.41 | gothtec | jurka: i removed the PATH line in /root/.bashrc |
| 01:05.57 | gothtec | jurka: how can I be sure .profile is executed anyway? |
| 01:05.59 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: I'm not sure how long I can stick around... but in any even that's a bunch for making an attempt. |
| 01:06.03 | sgeigerbot | highway's jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive. tramps like us, baby we were born to run. |
| 01:06.14 | Meth[Linux] | woodyst: that's = thanks |
| 01:06.14 | LSorensen | gothtec: the login environment is NOT executed for each xterm, only on login |
| 01:06.15 | jurka | gothtec: but you restored /root/.profile right? you are using sh or bash right? |
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| 01:06.22 | LSorensen | gothtec: or on su - user |
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| 01:06.37 | ricochet | Question: whenever I watch a video with xine, I just get a blank screen (sound yes) when i try to watch video in mythtv (mpeg2) .. any idea why? |
| 01:06.43 | gothtec | LSorensen: It's an old box. it doesn't have X. I just switched to another tty and logged in again |
| 01:06.45 | woodyst | Meth[Linux]: ok download source packages and tell me then |
| 01:06.52 | LSorensen | gothtec: well that should work |
| 01:06.58 | gothtec | jurka: yeah. old versions... |
| 01:07.06 | Fozzie | Question: Does anyone know how to setup a nonroot process in a chroot? Any pointers to docs saying how it's done? |
| 01:07.23 | kreg | at amd.com, is it possible to find something like this "XP 2500+" has this this and this specs, "XP 3200+" has this this and this specs? All i find is, "there chips are good, you should buy them" |
| 01:07.34 | woodyst | pmcdonnell: because if you want one user not connecting more you delete the conf for him and he can not connect more without changing nothing in the others |
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| 01:07.48 | ricochet | wow, i didnt make much sense. Trying to watch a video in mythtv after watching a video in xine results in a blank screen (but i get sound), any idea why? |
| 01:08.05 | jurka | gothtec: and it has PATH=... and export PATH right? to ensure that it's executing you could add a line like "touch /root/mytestfile" |
| 01:08.17 | smacnay | I am setting up the snort-mysql package for Debian. I see that there is a /usr/share/doc/snort-mysql/contrib/create-mysql file included. IS this needed? I obviously have mysql running but do need a db. Any recommendations on setting this up? |
| 01:08.20 | uruboro | LSorensen, the isec advisory says kernel versions affected are <=2.6.7, maybe it was fixed earlier and appears earlier in in the changelog for 2.6.8-rc? |
| 01:08.21 | sgeigerbot | julie: got it? |
| 01:08.30 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: You da man. |
| 01:08.45 | LSorensen | uruboro: it says it is tested to exist in <= 2.6.7, since there is nothing above 2.6.7 they can't test that |
| 01:09.04 | gothtec | LSorensen: I seem to remember something about the policies of those files changing not too long ago. About which files are executed on login and stuff. I am not sure this one executes .profile at all.. I tried adding "echo foo" to it, and nothing came up. |
| 01:09.09 | gothtec | jurka: it's not executed... |
| 01:09.23 | LSorensen | gothtec: perhaps you have to edit the bashrc to enable using a profile file |
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| 01:09.32 | LSorensen | gothtec: or it might be .bash_profile |
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| 01:09.50 | LSorensen | gothtec: although I doubt that |
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| 01:09.59 | s1x | hello there folks |
| 01:10.10 | s1x | is there a simple tutorial on how to create a .deb package? |
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| 01:10.31 | gothtec | LSorensen: not that one |
| 01:10.44 | gothtec | LSorensen: How do I tell it to use a .profile? |
| 01:11.02 | gothtec | LSorensen: or maybe I can just stash that path line into .bashrc or something |
| 01:11.04 | LSorensen | s1x: try hello-dbs and hello-debhelper |
| 01:11.18 | s1x | LSorensen: the problem is that i do not have debian |
| 01:11.38 | LSorensen | gothtec: I thought it usually ran .profile by default which ran .bashrc |
| 01:11.48 | s1x | i need to understand how it's done and create a script to automate it |
| 01:11.53 | LSorensen | s1x: well that would make it MUCH harder (if not nearly imposible) |
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| 01:11.59 | gothtec | LSorensen: me too. but apparently it doesn't |
| 01:12.06 | s1x | LSorensen: why is that? |
| 01:12.16 | CSWookie | I'm trying to install a USB wireless ethernet thing. I've gotten the kernel image (2.4.26-i686) and the modules for that. I've also got the documentation. However, the documentation seems to assume that I have a device wlan0, which my computer says I don't. Should I use mkdev, or is there a step I've missed? |
| 01:12.17 | LSorensen | s1x: looking at the source to a debian package it the easiest way to see how it is done. |
| 01:12.33 | LSorensen | s1x: it involves a number of files controlling different parts |
| 01:12.38 | CSWookie | USB wireless internet thing => netgear MA111 |
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| 01:13.12 | LSorensen | s1x: to build a deb package requires many utilities specific to debian to be installed on your machine |
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| 01:13.38 | s1x | LSorensen: i don't want to build it, just want it to make it debian ready |
| 01:13.57 | kreg | can anyone point to some useful CPU tables? I can not find comparative information regarding Athlon XP's. I want to see their different models with different specs. not benchmarks. |
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| 01:14.27 | LSorensen | s1x: well then grab the source to the two packages I mentioned from ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/h/package-name/ (it should have a diff and tar file) |
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| 01:14.38 | LSorensen | s1x: that should explain what has to be done to make a package |
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| 01:14.43 | s1x | hmm |
| 01:14.49 | s1x | maybe i could just use the diff |
| 01:14.55 | LSorensen | s1x: it all goes in a subdir called debian |
| 01:15.01 | LSorensen | s1x: no you can't just use the diff |
| 01:15.19 | LSorensen | s1x: although it would be a start |
| 01:15.41 | sgeigerbot | What would be the simplest useful full-filesystem backup statement with tar and/or find that does not have the problem of backup up directories multiple times thanks to symlinks? I have a feeling this one causes my tape to run out of space due to following symlinks multiple times: "cd / ; tar cvMf /dev/nst0 /" |
| 01:15.45 | sgeigerbot | ...but I'm not sure. |
| 01:15.49 | LSorensen | s1x: you need debian/rules, debian/control and a couple of other files |
| 01:16.01 | s1x | LSorensen: hmm i see |
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| 01:16.30 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: tar doesn't work? how about star? |
| 01:16.34 | woodyst | sgeigerbot: tar -czSpf <file> --one-filesystem / |
| 01:16.40 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: well, I'm not saying it doesn't work... |
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| 01:16.48 | BlackCat | Hey, guys look at theuse nice pictures, i couldn't find three differences please help me!!! =) http://members.home.nl/saen/Special/zoeken.htm |
| 01:16.48 | sgeigerbot | woodyst: that's probably what I need. Thanks. |
| 01:17.00 | woodyst | sgeigerboot: :) |
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| 01:17.39 | sgeigerbot | woodyst: hey, check out star |
| 01:17.44 | gothtec | LSorensen, jurka: ah. fixed it. thanks |
| 01:17.49 | woodyst | sgeigerbot: star? |
| 01:17.51 | sussudio | !doe BlackCat |
| 01:18.05 | sgeigerbot | woodyst: apt-cache show star |
| 01:18.31 | woodyst | sgeigerbot: options are the same as with tar? |
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| 01:18.58 | sgeigerbot | woodyst: not sure...but it looks promising |
| 01:19.09 | s1x | BlackCat: lol, crazy pick |
| 01:19.10 | jurka | gothtec: what was going wrong? |
| 01:19.28 | woodyst | sgeigerbot: ok, i'll take it a look |
| 01:19.33 | woodyst | sgeigerbot: thanks |
| 01:20.08 | gothtec | jurka: that box is kinda messed up. parts from potato, woody, sarge and sid... I just added the path like from .profile in /root/.bashrc. Doesn't make it any less of a mess, exactly, but at least it works |
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| 01:20.50 | sgeigerbot | woodyst: I don't see the --one-filesystem option in star |
| 01:21.07 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: it probably calls it something else |
| 01:21.20 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: or it may default to that behaviour. It has like a million options |
| 01:22.10 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: -M (do not decend mount points) |
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| 01:22.22 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: cooool. |
| 01:22.41 | Nurbs | options like -s are nice |
| 01:22.53 | LSorensen | Nurbs: what does that do? |
| 01:22.54 | Nurbs | and archiving ACLs |
| 01:23.28 | Nurbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.31 | Beuno | Hey! Quick question. I used to have 2 HDs, one with "/boot" and the other one with the rest. Now I made an exact copy of the first disk, and copied /boot into it to the new HD. But I can't boot ;( any ideas? |
| 01:23.36 | sgeigerbot | Star is also the only tar implementation under Linux capable of archiving |
| 01:23.37 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.39 | LSorensen | Nurbs: hmm, rename files on the fly. useful I guess, but how odd |
| 01:23.41 | woodyst | sgeigerbot: -M |
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| 01:24.00 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: why would you do that? ;-) |
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| 01:24.11 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: so you can't find them when you want to restore? :-) |
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| 01:24.23 | Nurbs | LSorensen: well, yeah. sometimes nice for creating redistributables without placing all files in the destination order on the drive first |
| 01:24.27 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: I tried to make it work in my backup setup, but I ended up using tob with afio archives and then just a getfacl -R dump to a file on the same dvd |
| 01:25.09 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: afio compresses file content, rather than compressing the archive after creating it. makes restores and seeks for a file much faster. |
| 01:25.20 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: on tape that wouldn't make much sense so star would be better there |
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| 01:26.25 | xerophyte | http://isec.pl/vulnerabilities/isec-0016-procleaks.txt does anybody know where can find the kernel patch for this |
| 01:26.37 | LSorensen | xerophyte: I don't think one exists yet |
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| 01:28.00 | Beuno | anyone have any ideas to put me back on track? |
| 01:28.11 | Beuno | maybe I should copy LILO into the new drives MBR? |
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| 01:29.24 | kreg | does anyone know of PPPoA kernel patches or somekind of support? |
| 01:29.41 | LSorensen | kreg: 2.6 kernels at least seem to have PPPoX support |
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| 01:29.57 | tcsetattr | beuno, maybe you should tell the story again. I didn't quite get it the first time. (This does not mean "repeat yourself". It means explain it better) |
| 01:30.04 | Beuno | ok |
| 01:30.05 | Beuno | here goes |
| 01:30.32 | Beuno | I had linuz installed on 2 HDs. One which contained /boot, and the other one the rest of the OS |
| 01:30.37 | Beuno | (linux) |
| 01:30.40 | Beuno | so |
| 01:30.41 | kreg | LSorensen, hmm, i could upgrade to 2.6.x *shrug*. but i think it would be easier to leave the firewall box at 2.4.x. maybe more stable? |
| 01:30.49 | sgeigerbot | leprechaun1: hey, you mom's good... |
| 01:31.03 | sgeigerbot | leprechaun1: I think it's time to say bye. |
| 01:31.04 | Beuno | I got a new HD, and cloned HD #2 (which had the OS) |
| 01:31.11 | Beuno | and, copied the /boot folder into ir |
| 01:31.11 | Beuno | it |
| 01:31.19 | sgeigerbot | helix: boot leprechaun1 |
| 01:31.22 | Beuno | and now Im trying to boot from the new HD, and I cant |
| 01:31.24 | tcsetattr | so you merged the contents of 2 old drives onto one new drive |
| 01:31.25 | sgeigerbot | bob2: boot leprechaun1 |
| 01:31.28 | uruboro | leprechaun1, fine, as long as you don't ask about knoppix |
| 01:31.29 | Beuno | yes! |
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| 01:31.36 | LSorensen | kreg: maybe, but I don't think there is pppoa in 2.4, but maybe there is. main problem is usually finding drivers for the device |
| 01:31.39 | tcsetattr | you definitely need to rerun lilo to get the MBR set up |
| 01:31.42 | sgeigerbot | !ops |
| 01:31.42 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 01:31.58 | Beuno | good, now, how do I rerun LILO, if I cant boot into linux? |
| 01:32.11 | sgeigerbot | Electric1lf: hello.... |
| 01:32.11 | kreg | LSorensen, trying to talk to my DSL modem via PPPoA bridged. |
| 01:32.21 | tcsetattr | beuno, you can boot from CD and then mount the hard drive partitions and run lilo -r /mnt |
| 01:32.25 | LSorensen | kreg: usb or ethernet? |
| 01:32.31 | kreg | ethernet |
| 01:32.45 | LSorensen | kreg: hmm, ok. I would be surprised if PPPoE didn't work then |
| 01:32.45 | Beuno | lilo is in /sbin/lilo |
| 01:32.47 | Beuno | right? |
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| 01:32.57 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: hello...we need help |
| 01:32.58 | LSorensen | kreg: since it looks like ethernet to the system |
| 01:33.06 | tcsetattr | yes, /sbin/lilo is the normal place for it |
| 01:33.10 | Beuno | great |
| 01:33.14 | Beuno | Ill give it a try then |
| 01:33.20 | Beuno | many thanks! |
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| 01:33.35 | kreg | LSorensen, well, i'm not sure. It is ATM behind the DSL modem, so i think i would need to talk ATM back to the ISP since bridging the DSL modem would make it transparent |
| 01:33.45 | debian | leprechaun1: have you read the guidelines? |
| 01:33.45 | LSorensen | kreg: for example my modem has 4 lights: power, atm, dsl, enet, and I run PPPoE |
| 01:34.06 | MerlinCorey_ | !ops |
| 01:34.06 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 01:34.07 | kreg | LSorensen, is it ATM or Ethernet back to your ISP? |
| 01:34.14 | LSorensen | kreg: DSL |
| 01:34.35 | kreg | LSorensen, ya but ATM or Ethernet back from the DSL modem to the ISP? |
| 01:34.35 | LSorensen | kreg: I believe they run ATM protocol over DSL, and then ethernet to the computer |
| 01:35.01 | peterS | LSorensen: right, in general |
| 01:35.05 | MerlinCorey_ | I think dpkg needs a votekick module... |
| 01:35.08 | LSorensen | kreg: try pppoeconf |
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| 01:35.25 | LSorensen | kreg: pppoa is for when your kernel actually sees atm, not when it sees ethernet |
| 01:35.52 | tak_ | how do i check what distro the linux box has? |
| 01:36.04 | MerlinCorey_ | tak_ sometimes it is in uname |
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| 01:36.08 | LSorensen | tak_: there is no universal way |
| 01:36.09 | MerlinCorey_ | sometimes not... |
| 01:36.24 | MerlinCorey_ | !ops |
| 01:36.25 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 01:36.26 | kreg | LSorensen, i don't think i agree with what you are describing. |
| 01:36.29 | CSWookie | Can someone aid me in my usb netgear ma111 wireless lan setup? I think I'm just missing something minor... but I don't know what. |
| 01:36.32 | MerlinCorey_ | could someone please remove the annoying leprechaun..? |
| 01:37.10 | LSorensen | kreg: well it can't hurt to try pppoe. I have only seen PPPoA used for a usb alcatel dsl modem that presented an atm link to the system |
| 01:37.22 | leprechaun1 | stan, you call your friend an asshole RIGHT NOW! |
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| 01:37.49 | kremlyn | Anyone here a coder, I'm looking for a channel where I can get help with regular expressions |
| 01:37.50 | t-jack | Well it's finally happened. The last Unix-like holdout has fallen... |
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| 01:38.17 | peterS | kremlyn: lots of us know about regular expressions. it's not really on-topic here, but if it's quick and to the point, we don't really mind |
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| 01:38.39 | t-jack | kremlyn: Try #perl? |
| 01:38.58 | MerlinCorey_ | !ops |
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| 01:39.24 | kremlyn | peterS: Does your knowledge of regular expressions extend to ASP.NET? |
| 01:39.45 | kremlyn | I always thought regexp were the same accross all languages, but it appears not |
| 01:39.46 | peterS | kremlyn: I don't know ASP, no. C#.NET uses Perl-like regexes, so if you were using that, I'd know (: |
| 01:39.58 | t-jack | !bot |
| 01:39.58 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 01:40.05 | The_Vulture | peterS: well it's all the same librarise anyway, isn't it? |
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| 01:40.06 | Moose- | Anyone here familiar with cups? |
| 01:40.18 | peterS | The_Vulture: some of the same libraries |
| 01:40.25 | sgeigerbot | Electric1lf: leprechaun1 wants your attention. |
| 01:41.16 | kremlyn | peterS: The problem I'm havin is that when I put [0-9] it still accepts whitespace |
| 01:41.34 | Skorp | How to enable 4 channel sound in OSS ? |
| 01:41.38 | Skorp | or something :/ ? |
| 01:41.46 | peterS | kremlyn: a regular expression is not in general anchored to the front or back of a string. it matches just *part* of a string, by default |
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| 01:42.19 | Skorp | ello... ? |
| 01:42.33 | kremlyn | But even having ^[0-9] should match the first char... from the start of the string |
| 01:42.35 | The_Vulture | most regulare expression libs try to look for matches in a string, by default, rather than matches to the whole stirng |
| 01:42.36 | kremlyn | and that doesn't work either |
| 01:42.45 | The_Vulture | (another way of saying what peterS said) |
| 01:42.48 | peterS | kremlyn: it should, you are right |
| 01:42.49 | LSorensen | Skorp: OSS doesn't do that. ALSA does |
| 01:43.02 | kremlyn | It doesn't :-/ |
| 01:43.03 | Skorp | LSorensen: alsa doesn't work :/ |
| 01:43.07 | The_Vulture | kremlyn: it'd match iff the first char was a digit, and it would match just that digit |
| 01:43.14 | LSorensen | Skorp: then you won't get more than stereo |
| 01:43.19 | Skorp | lol |
| 01:43.21 | LSorensen | Skorp: which sound card/chip? |
| 01:43.21 | Skorp | ;/ |
| 01:43.23 | peterS | The_Vulture: he's saying the first char is a space and it still matches, if I'm reading right |
| 01:43.33 | kremlyn | The_Vulture: i know, but it's still matching whitespace |
| 01:43.35 | The_Vulture | peterS: then he's dillusional ;) |
| 01:43.35 | Skorp | creative 4.1 PCI 128 |
| 01:43.39 | The_Vulture | kremlyn: got a test case? |
| 01:43.40 | Skorp | with gentoo it worked ;-] |
| 01:43.43 | peterS | The_Vulture: if you say so |
| 01:43.48 | cafuego | ooooooo |
| 01:43.51 | peterS | The_Vulture: you're an ASP.NET programmer, then? |
| 01:43.59 | LSorensen | Skorp: sb live? |
| 01:43.59 | kremlyn | The_Vulture: what do you mean, you want to see code? |
| 01:44.03 | peterS | The_Vulture: I must admit I am not |
| 01:44.06 | Skorp | LSorensen: PCI |
| 01:44.07 | leprechaun1 | WHY WHY WHY |
| 01:44.08 | LSorensen | Skorp: or ess137x? |
| 01:44.10 | Skorp | ess |
| 01:44.11 | leprechaun1 | WHAT DID I EVER DO????????? |
| 01:44.12 | Skorp | something yeah :) |
| 01:44.14 | Skorp | thats the one |
| 01:44.16 | leprechaun1 | JESUS STOP ABUSING ME |
| 01:44.17 | LSorensen | Skorp: and which kernel? |
| 01:44.23 | Skorp | 2.6.7-1-386 |
| 01:44.27 | leprechaun1 | ALL I WANTED WAS A COOKIE |
| 01:44.32 | leprechaun1 | AND YOU FUCKING EMAILEd IT TO ME |
| 01:44.35 | leprechaun1 | NOT FUNNY |
| 01:44.36 | cafuego | peterS: Don't mention that shite. (I'm worning on an ASP project atm) |
| 01:44.36 | MerlinCorey_ | ... |
| 01:44.38 | The_Vulture | kremlyn: a short , complete program that demonstrates the problem |
| 01:44.44 | peterS | cafuego: oh dear |
| 01:44.45 | leprechaun1 | pardon my f-bombing |
| 01:44.48 | LSorensen | Skorp: add snd-ens1371 to /etc/modules, install alsa-base and alsa-utils packages |
| 01:44.58 | Skorp | k wait :)) |
| 01:45.00 | cafuego | leprechaun1: #flood is there --> |
| 01:45.00 | kremlyn | The MSDN library says it should work this way.. but it's not.. |
| 01:45.02 | The_Vulture | peterS: no, so I could be completely wrong, but I'll claim intuitionism and stick with my asessment for the moment |
| 01:45.15 | LSorensen | Skorp: if it is 1370 replace 1371 with 1370. hard to know which revision it is |
| 01:45.18 | kremlyn | The_Vulture: Can I pm you and paste you stuff? |
| 01:45.22 | Skorp | ens1371 |
| 01:45.24 | t-jack | KDM gets a Windows-like face... |
| 01:45.25 | Skorp | alsaconf |
| 01:45.26 | Skorp | :) |
| 01:45.29 | Skorp | detects it |
| 01:45.30 | cafuego | peterS: I even wiped the old production server and installed W2K/IIS5 on it :-/ |
| 01:45.32 | The_Vulture | kremlyn: pastebins are better for that kind of thing |
| 01:45.40 | LSorensen | Skorp: ok. putting it there should make it load early in boot so some other driver doesn't get in the way. |
| 01:45.45 | peterS | kremlyn: every variant of regexes I am aware of would do what you say it should do. I don't know where your problem lies, but I'm guessing something else in your program logic is doing the wrong thing |
| 01:45.45 | LSorensen | Skorp: don't use alsaconf. it sucks |
| 01:45.48 | tak_ | KDM always had a windows face |
| 01:45.49 | Skorp | :D |
| 01:45.51 | kremlyn | The_Vulture: OK, hang on a second I'll find one :-) |
| 01:45.54 | Skorp | ok wait editing modules |
| 01:45.57 | The_Vulture | kremlyn: make sure you try a really simple example, as simple as possible to test just this one problem without anything irrelevant |
| 01:46.00 | LSorensen | Skorp: just add the driver name and it should be fine |
| 01:46.10 | t-jack | tak_: Alsa itself sucks. |
| 01:46.27 | kremlyn | The_Vulture: That's exactly what is being done.. |
| 01:46.44 | LSorensen | Skorp: the alsa-base and alsa-utils packges should take care of the rest. alsamixer can unmute and turn up volumes. adduser username audio, will give your used access to sound. /usr/share/alsa-base/snddevices will create any missing /dev/ entries if necesary |
| 01:46.51 | kremlyn | Been trying simple little things first, to crawl before run, and it doesn't work.. :-/ Let me find a pastebin |
| 01:46.52 | Skorp | ;) |
| 01:46.54 | tak_ | t-jack: i thought it was better than OSS |
| 01:46.55 | LSorensen | t-jack: well it's the best we have on linux |
| 01:47.01 | sgeigerbot | Has anyone seen this before: Even after doing a warm reboot my SDLT tape drive would immediately eject the tape upon insertion? |
| 01:47.06 | Skorp | k thnx much0 =) |
| 01:47.24 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: bad tape or confused drive? does the drive need a power cycle? |
| 01:47.29 | sgeigerbot | This would have to be below the OS level, as I was doing a reboot.. something apparently funky with the tape drive... |
| 01:47.44 | t-jack | tak_: Well... If I can ever get the shit to install and work... |
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| 01:48.36 | LSorensen | one of these days I will write that alsa howto to go with the nvidia howto. :) |
| 01:48.51 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: apparently. I couldn't even remove it from the bus and add it again (using scsiadd). Is there a way to cut power to a device like that from the operating system? |
| 01:49.10 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: I shudder at the though of having to halt the system just to fix a problem with my tape drive. |
| 01:49.13 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: power is not under OS control on most systems |
| 01:49.20 | AdrianLP | Would anyone recommend against using Libsqlplus1 for doing C++ to MySQL work? Is there simpler, I think from what I've seen this is fairly easy? |
| 01:49.36 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: I'm using a Compaq ML530 G2. |
| 01:49.37 | t-jack | LSorensen: While you're at it, an AudigyLS(OSS/ALSA) tutorial would be nice... |
| 01:49.39 | sgeigerbot | ... :-( |
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| 01:49.44 | LSorensen | AdrianLP: isn't there a mysql c lib already? |
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| 01:50.08 | LSorensen | t-jack: that would be part of it. I assume it works with the emu10k1 driver |
| 01:50.11 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: do any PCs have that ability? |
| 01:50.16 | LSorensen | t-jack: and oss really sucks on those |
| 01:50.16 | AdrianLP | LSorensen: Is a procedural model the best way to attack such in the C++ world? But yes, I believe there is. |
| 01:50.22 | vorpal | any opinions about how pratical would it be to run pure64 on a production system? |
| 01:50.35 | LSorensen | AdrianLP: for database access, I suspect so. |
| 01:50.40 | t-jack | LSorensen: AudigyLS doesn't use emu anything. |
| 01:50.45 | uruboro | does anybody here have a firewire sound card working with alsa btw? |
| 01:50.55 | LSorensen | t-jack: then what is it? it isn't like any other audigy model? |
| 01:51.07 | LSorensen | t-jack: it's not that stupid usb thing is it? |
| 01:51.27 | t-jack | LSorensen: It's internal card... |
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| 01:51.49 | cafuego | Speaking of which, can anyone tell me how to remove a Sun Eliant 820 DLT drive from its enclosure? |
| 01:52.05 | LSorensen | t-jack: but it doesn't use the same chip as the other audigy cards? |
| 01:52.07 | swift | Aren't DoS attacks illegal? |
| 01:52.30 | peterS | swift: too vague to say |
| 01:52.32 | LSorensen | t-jack: oh bloody hell, it isn't an emu. crappy. |
| 01:52.50 | LSorensen | t-jack: probably not officially supported yet then, although someone is working on it |
| 01:52.56 | cafuego | libmysqlclient10-dev inN Debian worketh fine for C apps. |
| 01:53.05 | swift | peterS: my question, or the issue? |
| 01:53.14 | peterS | swift: well, both |
| 01:53.28 | swift | I see |
| 01:53.30 | LSorensen | t-jack: it is in alsa cvs currently |
| 01:53.37 | peterS | swift: plenty of things can get you labeled a 'terrorist' these days, but "denial of service attack" is awfully vague |
| 01:53.39 | t-jack | swift: Both DOS and DoS attacks are illegal. And everybody knows Windows/DOS was a mistake. |
| 01:53.45 | LSorensen | cafuego: big hammer? |
| 01:54.08 | cafuego | LSorensen: No, it's somehow stuck to the bottom of the box and I can't see any clips or screws. |
| 01:54.17 | cafuego | LSorensen: .. and I'd like to keep it in working order. |
| 01:54.20 | swift | thanks |
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| 01:54.57 | t-jack | LSorensen: Correct in everything, and I already know it. I'm thinking alsacvs won't compile against debian-patched kernel. |
| 01:56.32 | tak_ | is it possible to create samba users separate from my linux machine users? |
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| 01:57.02 | peterS | t-jack: yeah, there aren't enough distributions yet. http://lwn.net/Distributions/ only shows 300 or so |
| 01:57.18 | LSorensen | t-jack: that's odd. |
| 01:57.33 | t-jack | peterS: AKA LFS... ;) |
| 01:57.38 | LSorensen | t-jack: well if it is in CVS it should enter the 2.6 kernel sometime soon |
| 01:57.58 | LSorensen | t-jack: it looks like that card uses a chip based on the emu10k but slightly different |
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| 01:58.53 | tak_ | is there a distro that attempts to simulate windows exactly in it's interface and use? |
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| 01:59.13 | tak_ | with a 'task manager' and occasional blue screens of death |
| 01:59.18 | t-jack | LSorensen: I tried to compile it against deb kernel-source pkg, but it kept failing. And I pushed the kernel install one step further each try and it kept failing. |
| 01:59.29 | LSorensen | t-jack: which kernel version? |
| 01:59.40 | t-jack | LSorensen: 267 |
| 02:00.05 | LSorensen | t-jack: hmm, not sure. I have only done alsa module compiles with 2.4 kernels. 2.6 I always just used what was in the kernel already. |
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| 02:00.21 | NheCasNhEcAs| | Hi ppl |
| 02:00.31 | sgeigerbot | tak_: why? |
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| 02:00.47 | sgeigerbot | tak_: this is close: http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/#build |
| 02:00.52 | NheCasNhEcAs| | Somebody now where i can do downloads of movies dvdrip on xdcc ??? please ... |
| 02:00.53 | NheCasNhEcAs| | ?? |
| 02:01.23 | Aw4k3M4n | anyone brasilian? |
| 02:01.27 | NheCasNhEcAs| | Aw4k3M4n me |
| 02:01.33 | t-jack | LSorensen: I took it all the way once, and the image overlapped the bootstrap. I tried to correct it by backinstalling? an initrd image and broke everything. |
| 02:01.34 | NheCasNhEcAs| | td bem? |
| 02:01.35 | NheCasNhEcAs| | :) |
| 02:01.42 | sgeigerbot | Aw4k3M4n: I heard that people in Brazil are Brazilian |
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| 02:01.47 | Aw4k3M4n | fala ae mano |
| 02:01.51 | NheCasNhEcAs| | xii |
| 02:01.53 | NheCasNhEcAs| | es portugues |
| 02:01.56 | NheCasNhEcAs| | ou brasileiro? |
| 02:02.03 | Aw4k3M4n | sou brasileiro |
| 02:02.06 | NheCasNhEcAs| | tasse bem |
| 02:02.06 | sgeigerbot | !brazilian |
| 02:02.12 | NheCasNhEcAs| | sabes onde posso sakar filmes dvdrip |
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| 02:02.15 | sgeigerbot | !portugese |
| 02:02.15 | dpkg | fale por favor o inglźs quando no #debian assim que em todos pode o compreender. Se vocź quiser usar uma outra lķngua, junte o #debian-rs. Para ajuda em Portugus, use o canal #Debian-BR |
| 02:02.19 | NheCasNhEcAs| | por xdcc ??? |
| 02:02.52 | Aw4k3M4n | OK dpkg i will talk english |
| 02:02.57 | NheCasNhEcAs| | ye |
| 02:03.03 | NheCasNhEcAs| | Aw4k3M4n |
| 02:03.06 | NheCasNhEcAs| | do you know |
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| 02:03.10 | NheCasNhEcAs| | or what? |
| 02:03.20 | NheCasNhEcAs| | please.. |
| 02:03.26 | NheCasNhEcAs| | xddc channel no body knows ? |
| 02:03.27 | NheCasNhEcAs| | :( |
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| 02:03.35 | Aw4k3M4n | I know let me remember |
| 02:03.36 | cafuego | Ripping movies off DVDs and distributiong them is illegal and OFF TOPIC. |
| 02:03.47 | NheCasNhEcAs| | sorry |
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| 02:04.06 | NheCasNhEcAs| | but Aw4k3M4n give me one please :S |
| 02:04.09 | Aw4k3M4n | i am trying to remember wait a minute |
| 02:04.22 | NheCasNhEcAs| | ppl |
| 02:04.25 | nuggz | anyone know why my resolv.conf keeps getting deleted by this resolvconf thing and how to easily turn it off |
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| 02:04.33 | NheCasNhEcAs| | www.btuga.com it's from my country muahaha |
| 02:04.40 | LSorensen | nuggz: what do you use as internet connection? |
| 02:04.40 | NheCasNhEcAs| | BTuga Rulez |
| 02:04.55 | LSorensen | nuggz: I think ppp by default overwrites it, but can be configured not to |
| 02:05.01 | nuggz | LSorensen: ethernet |
| 02:05.08 | uruboro | and, even worse, few people make decent 1400mb 3 pass dvd rips :) |
| 02:05.11 | LSorensen | nuggz: just plain ethernet? dhcp or static ip? |
| 02:05.13 | NheCasNhEcAs| | Aw4k3M4n so??? |
| 02:05.20 | LSorensen | nuggz: or pppoe |
| 02:05.24 | nuggz | LSorensen: static IP, plain ethernet |
| 02:05.24 | Aw4k3M4n | www.sogratiz.rg3.net |
| 02:05.33 | LSorensen | nuggz: hmm, then it should not be touching resolv.conf |
| 02:05.36 | nuggz | I upgraded and it started deleting it |
| 02:05.37 | NheCasNhEcAs| | ? |
| 02:05.47 | LSorensen | nuggz: not sure. never seen that happen |
| 02:05.53 | Aw4k3M4n | Só Gratiz Full filmes, full games , and etc |
| 02:06.04 | cafuego | Aw4k3M4n: Still off-topic. |
| 02:06.10 | NheCasNhEcAs| | lol |
| 02:06.11 | NheCasNhEcAs| | :/ |
| 02:06.19 | cafuego | GO take that shit to private /msg |
| 02:06.20 | NheCasNhEcAs| | www.btuga.org -> see this site please |
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| 02:06.25 | sussudio | !ops |
| 02:06.25 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 02:06.25 | NheCasNhEcAs| | its from my country |
| 02:06.26 | NheCasNhEcAs| | :))) |
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| 02:06.37 | ApEtc | sussudio: Thank you, I couldn't remember the proper key. |
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| 02:06.46 | CSWookie | Could someone help me set up my wireless network card? I've googled, and looked at the docs. Everything tels me to use a device called wlan0, but I don't HAVE this device. Can someone help me? |
| 02:06.46 | sgeigerbot | sussudio: you're still not on the list. |
| 02:06.52 | nuggz | thanks anyway |
| 02:06.53 | Aw4k3M4n | im going to see the site |
| 02:06.56 | cafuego | CSWookie: What card? |
| 02:07.01 | NheCasNhEcAs| | Aw4k3M4n bahh that site sucks |
| 02:07.04 | cafuego | !too verbose |
| 02:07.04 | dpkg | You are being too verbose! If you have nothing to say, try saying nothing. |
| 02:07.06 | NheCasNhEcAs| | i want xdcc |
| 02:07.08 | CSWookie | cafuego: netgear usb ma111 |
| 02:07.08 | NheCasNhEcAs| | :/ |
| 02:07.10 | sgeigerbot | CSWookie: you have the device as soon as you have the driver for your card. Do youhave the driver? |
| 02:07.13 | zabu | i can i use nfs with knoppix |
| 02:07.19 | Aw4k3M4n | so what do you want |
| 02:07.24 | sgeigerbot | CSWookie: if you have a module, then load it. |
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| 02:07.28 | cafuego | CSWookie: Is that supposed to be supported by an in-kernel driver? |
| 02:07.28 | LSorensen | !knoppix |
| 02:07.28 | dpkg | i heard knoppix is a bootable CD with a demo distribution, based mostly on Debian testing. It has almost 2GB in compressed volume, works in memory not touching harddisks by default, autodetects hardware and starts a prepared KDE session. Can be installed on harddisk later. URL: http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html, http://sgeiger.mine.nu/docs/knoppix.php, /join #knoppix for knoppix-specific stuff. Not Debian but similar. |
| 02:07.32 | zabu | or an idea for an easy way to transfer data to a mdk box |
| 02:07.40 | LSorensen | !not-debian |
| 02:07.41 | Skorp | ok did apt-get upgrade, from then I can't do startx, it can't initialize /dev/psaux no such device ^^ lol and no sybols named "us" in the include file "pc/us" |
| 02:07.45 | Skorp | any suggjestions ? |
| 02:07.49 | cafuego | zabu: Neither knoppix not mandrake are debian. |
| 02:08.05 | LSorensen | !not debian |
| 02:08.05 | dpkg | Knoppix isn't, Libranet isn't, Morphix isn't, lnx-bbc isn't, *your* installation you have right now ISN'T.... see if there is a channel available relevant to your distribution, if not, tough. Your questions do not belong here. |
| 02:08.10 | zabu | knoppix is close to debian no? |
| 02:08.10 | Aw4k3M4n | does anybody uses linux kurumin |
| 02:08.16 | CSWookie | sgeigerbot: I downloaded the modules with the drivers, and the kernel that those modules go to. I am currently running that kernel, which recofnizes my usb, and alot of other usb stuff on the system. Is there soimething else I missed? |
| 02:08.18 | cafuego | zabu: No. |
| 02:08.20 | LSorensen | zabu: not close enough |
| 02:08.31 | cafuego | zabu: #knoppix for all your knoppix questions. |
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| 02:08.52 | cafuego | Aw4k3M4n: Strangely, we use Debian. |
| 02:08.53 | CSWookie | cafuego: It's supported by the linux-ng module, which I've dowloaded, along with a compatible kernel. |
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| 02:09.02 | sgeigerbot | zabu: use scp to transfer files. |
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| 02:09.04 | __net_tp_ | hi! wich is the right file for loading kernel26 modules: "/etc/modprobe.d/custom" or the same oldstyle /etc/modules ? |
| 02:09.11 | Aw4k3M4n | Linux Kurumin is a mix of debian and knoppix |
| 02:09.18 | LSorensen | __net_tp_: /etc/modules |
| 02:09.28 | cafuego | CSWookie: linux-wlan-ng? Ok. Did you load the appropriate driver after installing and/or compiling the wlan-ng modules? |
| 02:09.34 | __net_tp_ | tks lsorensen |
| 02:09.38 | cafuego | Aw4k3M4n: And as such not on topic here. |
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| 02:09.52 | LSorensen | __net_tp_: the other is useful for setting options for modules and aliases and such |
| 02:10.04 | CSWookie | cafuego: I don't know. This is the part where I get fuzzy on procedure. |
| 02:10.31 | cafuego | CSWookie: Do you have a kernel source or kernel-headers package for your current kernel? |
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| 02:11.05 | Aw4k3M4n | who is brazilian? (i dont remember your nick) |
| 02:11.25 | sgeigerbot | Aw4k3M4n: NheCasNhEcAs| |
| 02:11.27 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: In the good old days we'd have a bot doing wordkicks now |
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| 02:11.42 | Puppster | hi, i'm working with a sony vaio laptop and just installed the hotplug thing for usb -- it detected my mouse great and it's working in X-windows, but i can't seem to get the scroll wheel on it to work... even after doing the whole ZAxisMapping and Buttons thing in the XF config. Any ideas? |
| 02:11.43 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: :-) |
| 02:11.55 | Modme | How can I tell an attached SCSI card (Adaptec 29160LP) and Tape drive are working? |
| 02:12.01 | Skorp | erm I don't think u'll read this, but if u do! Then what should I do to start X when it dumps me errors (it worked though..): /dev/psaux ; no such device ; no symbols named "us" in the include file "pc/us" |
| 02:12.04 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: does the magic word of the day start with a K? |
| 02:12.10 | LSorensen | Puppster: make sure you configured X to use imps/2 protocol |
| 02:12.14 | cafuego | Modme: if the kernel sees the device and attached devices, it's working. |
| 02:12.19 | sgeigerbot | Modme: do you have /dev/nst0? |
| 02:12.19 | cafuego | Modme: see /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 02:12.21 | LSorensen | Puppster: assuming it asked. |
| 02:12.23 | CSWookie | cafuego: No. I got a vanilla kernel, and precompiled modules. Isn't that good enough? I really don't want to do a compile. |
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| 02:12.26 | LSorensen | Puppster: mdetect package may help |
| 02:12.31 | Puppster | LSorensen, yeah i've tried IMPS/2 and auto, in the XFconfig at least |
| 02:12.32 | Puppster | ok thanks |
| 02:12.39 | Modme | cafuego ok. |
| 02:12.50 | cafuego | CSWookie: Precompiled wlan-ng modules? That *should* be fine. |
| 02:13.10 | LSorensen | cafuego: assuming they are precompiled against a kernel that is on the machine |
| 02:13.39 | CSWookie | cafuego: They were both packages... and the mods depended on the kernel... so I got 'em. I just did a modprobe, that didn't give any errors... would that do the device making? |
| 02:13.44 | lexton | why does debian 3.0 only come with perl 5.6.1? |
| 02:13.46 | lexton | apt-get won't install to perl 5.8? |
| 02:14.01 | LSorensen | lexton: because that was the version of perl that was current 2 years ago |
| 02:14.09 | Modme | cafuego I don't see mention of adaptec in /proc/scsi/scsi, would it be safe to say support for that card isn't compiled in the kernel? |
| 02:14.11 | LSorensen | lexton: which is when Woody was released., |
| 02:14.12 | CSWookie | LSorensen: The are modules for the stock debian 2.4.26-i686 kernel, which is the kernel I am currently running. |
| 02:14.15 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: thanks once again. That was such a big help... |
| 02:14.28 | Skorp | LSorensen: any ideas on my problm o_O ? |
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| 02:14.33 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: I totally overlooked the possibility of the cabling.... |
| 02:15.09 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: In fact, you helped me once a LONG time ago. (Perhaps even a year ago) ...on this same machine...and the same tape drive. ;-) |
| 02:15.15 | LSorensen | Skorp: looks like some files are missing, or the keyboard layout is set wrong. Never seen anything like it. I would reconfigure X and if that doesn't help, reinstall X |
| 02:15.18 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: ...and I still hadn't figure it out till just now. |
| 02:15.26 | cafuego | CSWookie: it should, yes. |
| 02:15.33 | covux | hi. after updating libarts1-mpeglib and mpeglib to 3.2.3 mpr output is kinda distorted. can anyone confirm that? |
| 02:15.42 | covux | mpr=mp3 |
| 02:15.46 | cafuego | CSWookie: 'ifconfig -a' should show it, if it exists. |
| 02:15.54 | Skorp | LSorensen: it worked for me, but then I did apt-get upgrade added snd... to /etc/modules and reboot |
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| 02:16.10 | LSorensen | Skorp: maybe the upgrade broke X |
| 02:16.10 | CSWookie | cafuego: It's not there. |
| 02:16.20 | cafuego | CSWookie: It's a scum, then. |
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| 02:16.23 | Skorp | LSorensen: so reconfiguring would help ;) ? |
| 02:16.28 | LSorensen | Skorp: it might |
| 02:16.39 | LSorensen | Skorp: or maybe there is a bug in X that will be fixed soon |
| 02:17.11 | Skorp | LSorensen: can u tell me the line for the graphical config :)) ? |
| 02:17.22 | Skorp | LSorensen: something like dpkg.. reconfigure.. |
| 02:17.25 | cafuego | !xcfg |
| 02:17.25 | dpkg | from memory, xcfg is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:17.32 | Skorp | :D |
| 02:17.35 | CSWookie | cafuego: ? |
| 02:17.53 | cafuego | CSWookie: it's a scum. That was about as much as i know about the wlan-ng stuff. |
| 02:18.03 | CSWookie | cafuego: Dern. |
| 02:18.26 | swift | I think dpkg's response to "pope" sucks |
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| 02:20.09 | Modme | cafuego I don't see mention of adaptec in /proc/scsi/scsi, would it be safe to say support for that card isn't compiled in the kernel? |
| 02:20.29 | epictetus | XFree86 -configure |
| 02:20.39 | LSorensen | Modme: maybe, or the module isn't currently loaded. |
| 02:20.42 | LSorensen | Modme: which adaptec? |
| 02:20.57 | LSorensen | Modme: oh and /proc/scsi/scsi lists scsi devices, not controllers |
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| 02:21.35 | samuel | hello all |
| 02:21.44 | Modme | LSorensen it is an Adaptec 29160LP |
| 02:22.09 | Modme | LSorensen I'm tryin to see if this attached tape drive works/get it working |
| 02:22.26 | LSorensen | Modme: well on new kernels I imagine the aic7xxx or aic79xx driver should run it |
| 02:22.41 | LSorensen | Modme: try modprobe aic79xx; modprobe aic7xxx |
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| 02:23.10 | pmcdonnell | I've setup XDMCP to allow logins from remote machines. On a linux box, I can do "Xnest -query remote.machine :2" and get a GDM login screen. If ,under Cygwin, I do "X -query remote.machine :2" I get a grey screen with X cursor - no gdm. Why might this be? |
| 02:23.15 | LSorensen | Modme: modprobe st; might help too |
| 02:23.31 | Modme | LSorensen Can't locate both modules. Maybe I should build both into the kernel? |
| 02:23.34 | sgeigerbot | Modme: cd /usr/src/linux; egrep -i '(sdlt|cis|tape|ibm|aic)' .config |
| 02:23.53 | Modme | st; command not found |
| 02:24.06 | LSorensen | Modme: well at least make them modules (usually preferable), and include scsi tape support module too |
| 02:24.18 | LSorensen | Modme: no, modprobe st |
| 02:24.20 | sgeigerbot | Modme: my command will let you find out quickly what you have and have not compiled. |
| 02:24.37 | cafuego | the command is 'mt' :-) |
| 02:24.48 | Modme | sgeigerbot /usr/src/linux: No such file or directory |
| 02:24.52 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: no, he's modprobing the module.. |
| 02:24.59 | cafuego | sgeigerbot: yeah |
| 02:25.01 | samuel | i just compiled a kernel, and no luck, it states "kernel panic please append root=" so i did, i put all my partitions down *just in case* one by one, no luck??? |
| 02:25.24 | cafuego | samuel: Did you forget to hardcode ide and filesystem support? |
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| 02:25.27 | samuel | oh, EVERY time it still mentions i have to append root= ??? is it not reading it? |
| 02:25.38 | Modme | LSorensen modprobe st returns nothing |
| 02:25.46 | cafuego | Modme: That's a good thing. |
| 02:25.52 | sgeigerbot | Modme: RUN MY COMMAND. |
| 02:25.53 | samuel | carles, ext2, ext3; what is it about ide? |
| 02:25.55 | LSorensen | Modme: nothing = no errors |
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| 02:26.10 | LSorensen | Modme: but yeah most likely you didn't include the driver for the scsi card |
| 02:26.27 | Modme | sgeigerbot I DID! :P and got /usr/src/linux: No such file or directory |
| 02:26.30 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: tell Modme to run this command: cd /usr/src/linux; egrep -i '(sdlt|cis|tape|ibm|aic)' .config |
| 02:26.49 | samuel | cafuego, ext2, ext3; what is it about ide? |
| 02:27.00 | sgeigerbot | Modme: Did you compile your own kernel? If not, look for the config file in /boot an use that instead of ".config" |
| 02:27.18 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: assuming he is silly enough to have /usr/src/linux as his kernel source dir |
| 02:27.21 | Fluten | can i install debian on a test machine, then rsync it to another machine and recompile the kernel and expect it to work? |
| 02:27.31 | Modme | sgeigerbot nope, this is a clean install of woody. I will do a custom kernel if need be. |
| 02:27.38 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: Yeah, well, I don't use it either, but that seems to be the example that is always used. |
| 02:27.39 | samuel | what ever happened to the old xchat where you pressed tab for completion and it showed you a list of possibilities? |
| 02:27.47 | LSorensen | Fluten: with a little work, that can be done |
| 02:27.58 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: It's a really dumb place to put the sources. Why, though? Permissions? |
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| 02:28.08 | Nurbs_ | samuel: when was that? I never saw that... |
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| 02:28.24 | sgeigerbot | samuel: that's still an option. You need to turn it on apparently. |
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| 02:28.35 | samuel | sgeigerbot, no kidding? |
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| 02:28.48 | LSorensen | sgeigerbot: doesn't tell you anything useful about what version or anything it is |
| 02:29.01 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: I see. Yeah, no kidding. |
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| 02:29.17 | sgeigerbot | LSorensen: I would *assume* that would actually be a symlink to the real directory. |
| 02:29.19 | Nurbs | sgeigerbot: where? |
| 02:29.27 | sgeigerbot | Nurbs: what? |
| 02:29.33 | sgeigerbot | Nurbs: if you are asking about xchat, I don't know. |
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| 02:29.40 | Modme | LSorensen so you think it would be best to compile aic7xxx or aic79xx support in? |
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| 02:29.53 | samuel | sgeigerbot, there it is! its back! tab rules!!!! |
| 02:29.59 | Nurbs | sgeigerbot: ok. I could imagine some plug-in or such, but haven't found any option |
| 02:30.04 | Nurbs | samuel: uhm, where is it? |
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| 02:30.35 | sgeigerbot | Modme: yes. |
| 02:30.49 | Modme | Thanks.. I'll give it a try. |
| 02:30.49 | LSorensen | Modme: I prefer modules |
| 02:30.52 | Selanit | Question: I have a /dev/dsp and a /dev/dsp1, created by my OSS emulation (I'm using ALSA). Plain dsp is my TV tuner card; dsp1 is the real dsp. I need to reverse them, so that dsp1 becomes dsp and dsp becomes dsp1. Does anyone know how to do this? |
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| 02:31.12 | Modme | I usually put custom kernels in /usr/src/linux heh |
| 02:31.21 | LSorensen | Selanit: is more than one sound card driver loaded? |
| 02:31.26 | samuel | Nurbs, settings/interface/input box/automatic nick completion |
| 02:31.28 | sgeigerbot | Modme: run this command on your .config file after you run menuconfig: egrep -i '(sdlt|cis|tape|ibm|aic)' .config |
| 02:31.46 | sgeigerbot | Modme: that will give you a quick overview of things...and you might see something you want to change. |
| 02:31.53 | Selanit | LSorensen: I have snd-via82xx loaded for card 1, and the bttv stuff for card 0. |
| 02:31.54 | samuel | is there a special option i have to enable for ide support in kernel? |
| 02:32.04 | Selanit | 2.6 kernel, btw. |
| 02:32.09 | sgeigerbot | samuel: grep -i IDE .config |
| 02:32.13 | mechan0r | look in /etc/modules.conf and reverse sound-card-0 and sound-card-1 |
| 02:32.16 | LSorensen | Selanit: then load then in the other order |
| 02:32.24 | LSorensen | Selanit: load snd-via82xx first, then bttv |
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| 02:32.35 | _scp | I am having issues with slow ext3 fs. I have 2 UDMA 100 disks in my system, hdparm show the drives having the same settings and hdparm tests show that both are speedy, however, fs reads and writes on one disk are 1/10th the speed of the other. Any ideas? |
| 02:32.44 | CSWookie | Is kernel 2.6 worth building, since I've decided that this will likely be easier that way? |
| 02:32.58 | mechan0r | yes it is |
| 02:32.59 | t-jack | Oh boy! Disney enters PC market! As if we don't have enough mickey mouse computers. |
| 02:33.02 | LSorensen | Selanit: and make sure whatever oss emulation stuff alsa has is loaded before bttv too |
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| 02:33.14 | jmspeex | Any idea why the network scripts keep adding a "nameserver 127.0.0.1" line in my resolv.conf? |
| 02:33.22 | stew | !test |
| 02:33.22 | dpkg | No, stew, you're not online any more. |
| 02:33.34 | LSorensen | Selanit: is it a bt87x? |
| 02:33.37 | debian | t-jack: I can't imagine anyone would watch p0rn with it. :) |
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| 02:33.52 | Selanit | LSorensen: I'm not sure where my modules are loaded from. It's kernel 2.6.7, so you'd expect modprobe.conf, but I don't seem to have any sound stuff in there. Yet the modules load. And yes, it's a bt87x. |
| 02:34.05 | LSorensen | Selanit: just force the order by listing them in /etc/modules |
| 02:34.15 | LSorensen | Selanit: snd-via82xx and snd-bt87x |
| 02:34.19 | Selanit | LSorensen: okay, I'll give that a shot. Thanks. |
| 02:34.33 | LSorensen | Selanit: that way discover/hotplug won't load the OSS drivers instead |
| 02:34.33 | t-jack | debian: I wouldn't imagine anyone -able- to watch porn on it. |
| 02:34.34 | _scp | fsck on the slow disk shows all is good, but 14% non-contuguous |
| 02:34.38 | LSorensen | Selanit: adn you get to control the order |
| 02:34.45 | LSorensen | _scp: disk almost full? |
| 02:35.00 | _scp | 88% |
| 02:35.11 | _scp | but its a 20G or so |
| 02:35.18 | LSorensen | _scp: that is very high use, which causes fragmentation to start |
| 02:35.31 | mechan0r | t-jack they would only be able to watch the pr0n that's already in the disney movies |
| 02:35.32 | debian | t-jack: thru this windows: http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/04/technology/05disn.gif must be an awfward experience. XD |
| 02:35.41 | LSorensen | _scp: good filesystems require some working room to work well. |
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| 02:36.36 | _scp | LSorensen: but 1/10th of the speed gone because I am a little full? |
| 02:36.39 | t-jack | debian: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/05/2123257 in case you're interested... |
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| 02:37.00 | mechan0r | scp yes |
| 02:37.06 | _scp | LSorensen: defrag doesn't seem to be fully baked |
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| 02:37.19 | mechan0r | and that's 9/10 of the speed gone |
| 02:37.42 | _scp | mechan0r: sorry, I am a little sleepy here :) |
| 02:37.44 | debian | t-jack: why exactly, disney displease at the fact that there isn't enough DRM-PC around |
| 02:38.06 | LSorensen | _scp: don't try to defrag. |
| 02:38.20 | LSorensen | _scp: and yes you loose speed when you fill the filesystem too much |
| 02:38.33 | _scp | mechan0r: this is my "space" drive where I throw junk (oggs, flacs, mp3s and such) should I switch to another fs? |
| 02:38.51 | debian | _scp: always leave about 20% free space in a fs |
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| 02:38.56 | LSorensen | _scp: there isn't really any filesystem that is able to be used 100% and not fragment. |
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| 02:39.23 | Rliegh | defrag=backup,format,restore. ;-) |
| 02:39.32 | LSorensen | _scp: on larger drives you can usually manage 90 to 95% on ext3/xfs but smaller like you have about 85 to 90% is the limit before it starts to suffer |
| 02:39.53 | _scp | LSorensen: so get a bigger drive and quit whining ? :) |
| 02:40.03 | LSorensen | _scp: yep. drives are cheap |
| 02:40.14 | LSorensen | _scp: just remember older controllers can't use drives over 137G |
| 02:40.33 | _scp | LSorensen: sounds like a plan... this machine is only about 1 1/2 old |
| 02:41.23 | _scp | LSorensen: although, I never thought I would call 20GB a "small" drive :) |
| 02:41.39 | LSorensen | _scp: when you can buy 400G drives, 20G is small |
| 02:41.55 | _scp | LSorensen: true, true |
| 02:42.13 | LSorensen | _scp: I remember seeing huge 10M harddisks. Time changes perspective a bit :) |
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| 02:42.34 | _scp | LSorensen: no kidding, I remember when backing up to audio tape was the shit :) |
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| 02:43.06 | ugly | scp is OLD |
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| 02:43.18 | _scp | LSorensen: I have never really noticed a problem like this before and was a little confused |
| 02:43.26 | _scp | ugly: yup |
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| 02:43.44 | Skorp | HELP! after apt-get upgrade I can't use /dev/psaux , nor X, nor gpm can use it :/ |
| 02:43.54 | ugly | scary - I'm finally not the youngest person in every channel |
| 02:43.56 | Skorp | I could use it before the reboot |
| 02:44.08 | joshk | ...with an ugly stick? |
| 02:44.43 | Skorp | anyone o_O ? |
| 02:44.45 | _scp | LSorensen: thanks for the help |
| 02:44.52 | _scp | mechan0r: thanks too |
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| 02:45.04 | SkaMike | what's better, debian or gentoo and why? |
| 02:45.17 | Skorp | gentoo is not worth the time |
| 02:45.17 | ugly | SkaMike: no one in their right mind is going to answer you |
| 02:45.18 | Selanit | Depends on what you need |
| 02:45.29 | ugly | it seems we have two people not in their right minds |
| 02:45.30 | Nurbs | !best |
| 02:45.30 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! |
| 02:45.36 | Skorp | though debian used more time than gentoo for me :/ |
| 02:45.55 | SkaMike | What do you mean Skorp? |
| 02:45.55 | captainwinky | hi. i have managed to get X to acknowledge my TV, but in XFree86.0.log it says something about only one display being allowed. can anyone please help? |
| 02:46.05 | Skorp | SkaMike: debians so unstable o_O |
| 02:46.06 | Ogredude | argh. |
| 02:46.09 | _scp | l8r thanks for the help! |
| 02:46.17 | Ogredude | I've forgotten the keyboard shortcut for switching display resolutions in X |
| 02:46.17 | Skorp | u can normaly access KDE'n'stuff |
| 02:46.23 | Skorp | suddenly u do apt-get upgrade |
| 02:46.27 | Selanit | Gentoo is good if you need up-to-the-minute software that's custom-compiled for your machine. Debian's better if you want fast install times, and rock-solid stability. |
| 02:46.29 | Skorp | then u can't use /dev/psaux |
| 02:46.30 | Skorp | lOL |
| 02:46.37 | SkaMike | Skorp, I was considering swithcing from gentoo, but it's so stable right now, even with cvs ebuilds. |
| 02:46.39 | ugly | SkaMike: ah huh, and what branch of debian are you using |
| 02:46.47 | scarynetworkguy | !u |
| 02:46.47 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 02:46.48 | ugly | er, Skorp |
| 02:47.02 | Skorp | ugly: |
| 02:47.08 | Hamled|Erp | technically *U* matches YOU |
| 02:47.12 | Skorp | :P |
| 02:47.17 | Skorp | It just fucked up everything |
| 02:47.34 | ugly | Skorp: what did? you? |
| 02:47.37 | Skorp | Thought I could finaly USE debian with KDE o_O |
| 02:47.45 | Hamled|Erp | hahahahah foool! |
| 02:47.57 | Skorp | 1 reboot and DIE |
| 02:48.07 | Selanit | Thanks for the help, people. |
| 02:48.12 | Skorp | /dev/psaux is out of order |
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| 02:48.42 | SkaMike | What advantages does debian have besides stability? |
| 02:48.52 | Skorp | apt-get upgrade and u die ;] |
| 02:49.07 | captainwinky | SkaMike, it rocks ;P |
| 02:49.10 | ugly | SkaMike: good documentation and tutorials - so go read them |
| 02:49.13 | Skorp | I'm acctualy ready to jump through the window now |
| 02:49.37 | Skorp | SkaMike: belive me, it aint stable ;P |
| 02:50.01 | scarynetworkguy | Skorp: what branch of Debian are you running? |
| 02:50.09 | Skorp | u mean... ? |
| 02:50.13 | Skorp | ghm |
| 02:50.14 | ugly | stable/testing branches are plenty stable - had package breakage in testing maybe once or twice in several years |
| 02:50.20 | Skorp | sarge :P |
| 02:50.24 | Skorp | net install |
| 02:50.39 | Skorp | ugly: so what destroyed my /dev/psaux o_O ? |
| 02:50.43 | Ogredude | okay |
| 02:50.45 | ugly | Skorp: you, I guess |
| 02:50.46 | Ogredude | what the hell is causing this? |
| 02:50.47 | Ogredude | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.00 | Skorp | ugly: with apt-get upgrade ; reboot |
| 02:51.17 | Skorp | lol |
| 02:51.19 | Skorp | =)) |
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| 02:51.36 | captainwinky | Ogredude, looks like bad screen modes |
| 02:51.53 | Skorp | I would be glad though if someone would help me with this loss o_O |
| 02:51.56 | deadcat | Ogredude: thats one ugly screenshot (= |
| 02:51.57 | Nurbs | .oO( apt-get --reboot upgrade ) some more windows-feeling |
| 02:52.01 | Ogredude | gimme a clue on how to fix it? |
| 02:52.19 | ugly | Nurbs: yea wonder if he does that every time he upgrades - pretty laughable |
| 02:52.21 | deadcat | Ogredude: what video card? |
| 02:52.36 | Ogredude | s3 trio 32/64 |
| 02:52.39 | scarynetworkguy | Skorp: in a termianl do this cat /dev/psaux |
| 02:52.40 | deadcat | Ogredude: you use the s3 driver? |
| 02:52.46 | Nurbs | actually, one could add that to apt.conf |
| 02:52.49 | captainwinky | Ogredude, it could be difficult with such a bad screen, but xvidtune might be helpful |
| 02:52.55 | Skorp | No such device |
| 02:52.56 | Skorp | scarynetworkguy: |
| 02:53.02 | Ogredude | actually I just did 'X -configure' |
| 02:53.10 | scarynetworkguy | Skorp: try with another mouse |
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| 02:53.21 | Skorp | scarynetworkguy: well it worked before rebooting o_O |
| 02:53.30 | deadcat | Ogredude: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:53.35 | scarynetworkguy | Skorp: and your point is? |
| 02:53.36 | ugly | please stop the anime smilies, Skorp |
| 02:53.36 | Ogredude | it's using "vesa" |
| 02:53.38 | SkaMike | Skorp, I just pmed you |
| 02:53.57 | Skorp | scarynetworkguy: I can't use my mouse |
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| 02:54.25 | scarynetworkguy | Skorp: right. Have you tested with another mouse? |
| 02:54.47 | Skorp | scarynetworkguy: I've tested this mouse in windoze ;-] |
| 02:55.05 | Skorp | scarynetworkguy: my mouse is working, don't worry ;)) |
| 02:55.13 | jo | join debian.de |
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| 02:55.40 | Skorp | scarynetworkguy: any suggjestions :/ ? |
| 02:56.34 | scarynetworkguy | Skorp: USB or PS2? |
| 02:56.43 | Skorp | PS2 |
| 02:56.47 | ugly | Skorp: meh, can't remember if the PS/2 driver is compiled into the stock kernel by default or not - try 'modprobe psaux' |
| 02:56.53 | ugly | though it should be afaik |
| 02:57.05 | Skorp | Module psaux not found |
| 02:57.05 | ex_BobFlash | #ipsepnet |
| 02:57.14 | ugly | Skorp: that answers that question |
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| 02:57.17 | Nurbs | modprobe mousedev if anything |
| 02:57.22 | Nurbs | there's no psaux module |
| 02:57.31 | Skorp | ugly: what should I do now :))) |
| 02:57.32 | prologic | Are there any Debian packages for the Conexant 56K internal modems that work ? |
| 02:57.36 | ugly | Nurbs: heh damn mailing lists :) |
| 02:57.43 | ugly | Skorp: what Nurbs said |
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| 02:58.16 | Skorp | mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice |
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| 02:58.43 | ugly | Skorp: now 'cat /dev/psaux' again |
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| 02:59.06 | Skorp | long load ;] |
| 02:59.08 | Ketter | prologic: generic winmodem configuration, it doesn't has a specific driver iirc |
| 02:59.21 | Skorp | still waiting |
| 02:59.25 | Nurbs | Skorp: move your mouse |
| 02:59.32 | prologic | Ketter, it's a Conexant HCF modem |
| 02:59.47 | Nurbs | Skorp: and press Ctrl+C, there won't be anything more interesting. |
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| 03:00.05 | Nurbs | Skorp: now, try starting X |
| 03:00.29 | Skorp | strange, x started up, but I can't move my mouse |
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| 03:00.49 | Nurbs | wohoo ;) |
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| 03:01.05 | Skorp | Nurbs: why the cheer, I can't move it ;))) |
| 03:01.18 | Nurbs | you've got a keyboard, don't you? ;) |
| 03:01.22 | Skorp | :D |
| 03:01.24 | Skorp | no plz |
| 03:01.25 | Skorp | NOO! |
| 03:01.25 | Skorp | :D |
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| 03:01.58 | Nurbs | you will need that module for sure... not sure what else. to have it load automatically on reboots, too, you can add a line containing just mousedev to /etc/modules |
| 03:02.05 | Nurbs | besides that, good luck :) |
| 03:02.11 | Nurbs | recheck your XF86Config-4 |
| 03:02.17 | ugly | Skorp: ? |
| 03:02.17 | ugly | Skorp: it's hanging there or? |
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| 03:02.29 | Skorp | ugly: just hanging |
| 03:03.18 | *** part/#debian bug1 (~bug1@203-206-238-53.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 03:03.27 | Nurbs | check if the mouse works in that slot in some other OS ;) or something... |
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| 03:03.38 | Skorp | Nurbs: Windoze ;P |
| 03:03.50 | Skorp | working :) |
| 03:04.46 | Skorp | darn :/ |
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| 03:05.21 | CSWookie | Remind me folks, where do I put the module code in relation to the source when I plan to use kpkg? |
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| 03:05.23 | *** part/#debian bandit (~bAn_DiT@pool-162-84-145-193.ny5030.east.verizon.net) |
| 03:05.23 | Skorp | Nurbs: any thoughts ? |
| 03:05.26 | donw | Have the nvidia packages been broken recently in testing? |
| 03:05.53 | chitiri | what can I use to fix a damaged divx ? |
| 03:06.14 | Skorp | Nurbs: u there ? |
| 03:06.26 | edi | chitiri: mplayer has fixing functions, but not all can be fixed |
