| 00:00.08 | Tagor | blissex >> Could you tell me how? |
| 00:00.12 | yazid | JoshTriplett: OTOH, remember the irssi source disaster? trojan right in ./configure |
| 00:00.19 | Whirl256 | nothing, huh? |
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| 00:00.25 | JoshTriplett | yazid: No, I don't. |
| 00:00.37 | JoshTriplett | yazid: ./configure is certainly a security nightmare, though. |
| 00:00.45 | nailbiter | Tagor: 'apt-get -d install <packagename>' will download the package (without installing it). 'dpkg --contents /var/cache/apt/archives/<packagefile>' will list its contents. |
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| 00:00.56 | JoshTriplett | yazid: But at least that can easily be found out. |
| 00:01.19 | blissex | Tagor: 'man apt-get' and looks for "download"... :-) |
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| 00:01.35 | yazid | JoshTriplett: otoh, binary installers can be fun... especially making them do their work as an unprivileged user, many funny hours of playing with strace,ldd,hex editors and other fun tools |
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| 00:02.53 | JoshTriplett | yazid: I much prefer the "don't touch with a ten-foot pole" approach. :) |
| 00:02.57 | kingsley | Is anyone here using a Plextor PX-712A DVD/CD burner? If so, how do you like it? |
| 00:03.31 | yazid | JoshTriplett: yeah, but if some users need the stuff,,, you gather quite a collection of ten foot poles |
| 00:03.39 | Phated | kingsley: Get me one, I'll tell you about it. |
| 00:03.54 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Heh. |
| 00:04.28 | timzter | JoshTriplett: Ok, my procmailrc rule in conjuction with razor-check appears to work (I made it change the Subject line to say "spam"). I can then tell my MUA (like Outlook 2000) to delete all mails whose subject contains "spam" so I won't have to see it. But now, I don't understand what spamassassin does then. Wouldn't procmail and razor together be sufficient? |
| 00:04.31 | JoshTriplett | yazid: I can't think of any examples of things that don't have a replacement, off the top of my head. |
| 00:04.38 | kingsley | Phated: OK, there's just one thing I'd rather do first: Jump off the Sears tower, head first, onto a thumbtack. |
| 00:04.59 | JoshTriplett | timzter: razor, IIRC, only handles spam that other people have already seen. |
| 00:05.14 | JoshTriplett | timzter: SpamAssassin analyzes your mail to see if it looks "spammy". |
| 00:05.20 | JoshTriplett | timzter: Using a huge set of rules. |
| 00:05.21 | yazid | JoshTriplett: engineering software ... or some OSS stuff too... rarely one installs OO or Mozilla from sources |
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| 00:05.46 | JoshTriplett | timzter: One of which can be "check razor". :) |
| 00:06.01 | Phated | kingsley: That works too. :) |
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| 00:06.02 | JoshTriplett | yazid: I certainly wouldn't advocate installing everything from source. |
| 00:06.06 | joh | anyone know if filenames can consist of only a space and an ext? like ' .gif' on windows? |
| 00:06.16 | joh | on FAT even |
| 00:06.16 | yazid | (but both can, luckily, be easily persuaded to install as non root) |
| 00:06.30 | timzter | JoshTriplett: I would think that most of the spam I get are stuff that other people have already seen and reported to the razor database. |
| 00:06.40 | JoshTriplett | timzter: You'd be suprised. :) |
| 00:06.48 | JoshTriplett | timzter: But whatever works for you. |
| 00:06.51 | timzter | ok |
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| 00:06.57 | tattoo | StyXman: actually, i asked which command should i use....it doesn't matter cuz i don't have both of them here... :) |
| 00:07.04 | JoshTriplett | timzter: If you start getting spams come through, then you can change your setup then. |
| 00:07.05 | antihero | hello all |
| 00:07.10 | timzter | JoshTriplett: true |
| 00:07.17 | tcsetattr | joh, FAT has some wacky filename restrictions. on a real filesystem, there are no restrictions other than you can't use the NUL character (because it ends the filename) or the slash (because it indicates a directory) |
| 00:07.26 | JoshTriplett | yazid: I have no problem with installing Mozilla or OpenOffice.org from a binary package provided by my distribution. |
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| 00:07.37 | alias | I've googled, searched gallery.menalto.org, asked in #gallery but to no avail I can't get zip files over 8MB to install, running i386 kernel 2.6.7 gallery 1.4.3 php 4.3.4 apache 1.3.31 |
| 00:07.41 | yazid | joh: i wouldn't think *officially* . inofficially, FAT/VFAT is much more fun. short and long names that have no relation whatsoever for a\one and the same file, anyone? |
| 00:07.52 | antihero | can someone help me set up my cable modem? |
| 00:07.54 | alias | And I'm wondering if any all mighty debian person can answer this |
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| 00:08.07 | JoshTriplett | yazid: But I wouldn't touch proprietary binary-only software, for many reasons, one of which is security. |
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| 00:08.24 | alias | not install but upload |
| 00:08.27 | Phated | antihero: Plug in, enable DCHP if needed, connect, rejoice. Done. |
| 00:08.37 | alias | tearse :) |
| 00:08.41 | JoshTriplett | alias: What does the log say? |
| 00:08.54 | JoshTriplett | Phated: :) |
| 00:08.55 | yazid | JoshTriplett: usually best to give it an install user, not root, if you have to, and the installer can handle that |
| 00:08.55 | alias | JoshTriplett, apache's error log? Nothing. |
| 00:09.03 | antihero | debain isnt recognizing my ethernet card |
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| 00:09.12 | timzter | JoshTriplett: one more question...right now, I have these rules in the specific user's /home/username/.procmailrc. How do I filter mail system wide for ALL users without having the need for individual .procmailrc files in the users' home directory? |
| 00:09.12 | alias | antihero, what kind is it? |
| 00:09.12 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Not sure what you mean. |
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| 00:09.24 | antihero | some no name brand, amt i thing |
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| 00:09.25 | The_Vulture | antihero: and lsof says what? |
| 00:09.27 | JoshTriplett | timzter: You would integrate it into your MTA. |
| 00:09.30 | nailbiter | timzter: put the rules in /etc/procmailrc. |
| 00:09.36 | JoshTriplett | timzter: exim/postfix/blah. |
| 00:09.40 | JoshTriplett | nailbiter: Or that. |
| 00:09.41 | Gildor | Hi everybody, I've a GRUB problem... after entering: grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda it gives this kind of error: Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time \\ end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 0 \\ The file /boot/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
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| 00:09.46 | Phated | JoshTriplett: :) |
| 00:09.49 | timzter | nailbiter: ok |
| 00:09.51 | yazid | JoshTriplett: I mean better use two rolls of duct tape than run the installer as root |
| 00:10.03 | alias | antihero, well pull it out of your computer (or if you can see it) just write down the numbers on the biggest chip on the board and put that in google... that might lead to something |
| 00:10.45 | alias | or of course there's lspci -v which will tell you about your PCI devices (assuming it is a pci device) |
| 00:10.51 | JoshTriplett | yazid: ? apt basically requires root, although you might be able to get away with some kind of uml/fakechroot. |
| 00:10.51 | yazid | alias: last time I proposed that, the guy came up with a perfectly good datasheet for a +/- 9V DCDC converter ;) |
| 00:10.51 | alias | so no debian masters to my rescue :-\ |
| 00:11.00 | alias | yazid, sweet |
| 00:11.06 | yazid | JoshTriplett: I mean proprietary binary |
| 00:11.12 | alias | yazid, bigass voltage regulator! |
| 00:11.12 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Ah. |
| 00:11.18 | nailbiter | Gildor: run grub with '--no-floppy'. |
| 00:11.21 | alias | or voltage inverter whatever |
| 00:11.22 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Not like they can't do plenty of damage as a user too. |
| 00:11.41 | alias | JoshTriplett, thanks for the log suggestion and then just dying on me :-P |
| 00:11.43 | JoshTriplett | alias: Just no gallery experts. :) |
| 00:11.47 | JoshTriplett | alias: :) |
| 00:11.53 | alias | JoshTriplett, fair enough, what timing! |
| 00:11.56 | Gildor | nailbiter, actually i have got a floppy! |
| 00:12.06 | alias | JoshTriplett, it's just really odd and frustrating... |
| 00:12.06 | yazid | I am also getting to like pkgsrc... allows reprefixed and unprivileged build and install of many things |
| 00:12.07 | alias | stupid |
| 00:13.10 | yazid | JoshTriplett: very true about the damage ... but the cardinal difference is about hiding the damage |
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| 00:13.22 | Gildor | nailbiter, now it says : The file /boot/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
| 00:13.26 | JoshTriplett | yazid: So that only the users who actually run it are at risk. :) |
| 00:13.45 | nailbiter | Gildor: --root-directory=/ |
| 00:13.51 | cafuego | !info maplab sid |
| 00:13.57 | nailbiter | Gildor: or just leave that option out altogether. |
| 00:13.59 | JoshTriplett | alias: Hmm. The site you posted doesn't seem to be available. |
| 00:14.04 | yazid | JoshTriplett: at least netstat WILL show you the bindshell |
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| 00:14.18 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Better for there not to be one. :) |
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| 00:14.21 | alias | JoshTriplett, what site I posted? gallery.mentalto.com rather? |
| 00:14.27 | JoshTriplett | alias: Yes. |
| 00:14.46 | tattoo | how can i change my wm? |
| 00:14.51 | Gildor | nailbiter, now it says : The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly |
| 00:15.08 | tattoo | by the way...i'm using gnome... |
| 00:15.21 | timzter | nailbiter: If I use /etc/procmailrc, what would the MAILDIR variable be, since it is no longer per user? |
| 00:15.24 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: Are you using gdm? It should give you a menu of possible environments. |
| 00:15.29 | antihero | so if debian cant find my ethernet, theres no default setting i can use to find it |
| 00:15.30 | antihero | ? |
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| 00:15.59 | nailbiter | Gildor: did you copy /lib/grub/i386-pc/{stage1,stage2} into /boot/grub? |
| 00:16.03 | JoshTriplett | antihero: You could try running "lspci" and looking for your ethernet card. |
| 00:16.18 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: yes, but i apt another wm and gdm doesn't show me up the fvwm option. |
| 00:16.20 | antihero | ok |
| 00:16.20 | nailbiter | timzter: it _will_ still be per-user. /etc/procmailrc gets sourced before the user's does .. |
| 00:16.23 | alias | antihero, umm "default setting"? These are drivers we're talking about there's nothign they can really fall back to. |
| 00:16.24 | yazid | JoshTriplett: best example of what can go wrong: audiogalaxy back then supporting some stub installer... which at a later time installed the vx2 trojan ... which sent very damn private information to a server ... the operators of whose did not notice for weeks that their server stood wide open for anybody who knew |
| 00:16.26 | JoshTriplett | antihero: You could also try installing hotplug. |
| 00:16.50 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Proprietary P2P software is the last thing I would trust. |
| 00:16.58 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Given its history. |
| 00:17.01 | JoshTriplett | yazid: And present. :) |
| 00:17.01 | timzter | nailbiter: ok, but I guess I must redefine where MAILDIR should be then. |
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| 00:17.24 | yazid | JoshTriplett: if i ever run such a thing again, that will be in some kind of virtual machine |
| 00:17.26 | antihero | is hotplug packed with most distros? |
| 00:17.26 | danerik | does anyone here have any experience with mldonkey and debian |
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| 00:17.33 | JoshTriplett | antihero: I think so. |
| 00:17.34 | kaloyer | is debian good for base install and then build from there? |
| 00:17.35 | nailbiter | timzter: well, you can simply use absolute paths if you want to deliver all spam to a system-wide junkheap .. |
| 00:17.39 | JoshTriplett | antihero: Certainly with Debian. |
| 00:17.40 | Phated | kaloyer: Yep. |
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| 00:17.54 | kaloyer | Phated: really? is it fast? |
| 00:17.57 | antihero | ok, i just installed bonzai linux |
| 00:18.00 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Again, why not just use something else? |
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| 00:18.22 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Plenty of Free p2p apps. |
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| 00:18.28 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Some that even use the same networks. |
| 00:18.45 | yazid | JoshTriplett: since i do not maintain a private DSL connection at the moment, I am not filesharing at all |
| 00:18.48 | Phated | kaloyer: Fast... Depends, of course, on what you use. If you install a base system and then selectively install packages to fulfil your needs, you should have no problem winding up with a close-to-perfect box. :) |
| 00:19.05 | t-jack | I wanna BE somebody! |
| 00:19.09 | JoshTriplett | yazid: I don't use filesharing either. |
| 00:19.36 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Just suggesting that there's no good reason to install a proprietary p2p application on GNU/Linux. |
| 00:19.45 | pir4 | how can i start, for example, xchat, in the systray ? or minized ? |
| 00:19.51 | Gildor | nailbitter, i copied , didn't help, same error :( |
| 00:19.59 | yazid | JoshTriplett: it amazes me that people continued to install and use kazaa non-lite even after the blatant problems surfaced very damn publicly |
| 00:20.06 | \amethyst | JoshTriplett: I assume that, in general, if I can't figure out how a company is making money, they're probably doing so in some unsavoury way |
| 00:20.18 | simonrvn | ribnitz: http://www.kisikew.org/bin/wdict/ ;) |
| 00:20.27 | JoshTriplett | alias: Hmmm. Sounds like a bug (or misconfiguration) in the gallery software. If they don't have a support list/forum, I don't know what you can do about it. |
| 00:20.30 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: Good plan. |
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| 00:20.34 | nailbiter | Gildor: why don't you just invoke 'grub --no-floppy' by itself? then do a 'help setup' when the grub shell comes up. |
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| 00:20.47 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: Then again, I'm naturally mistrustful of anything that I can't read the source to. |
| 00:20.52 | JoshTriplett | yazid: True enough. |
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| 00:20.54 | alias | JoshTriplett, yeah I guess I could post to a forum... |
| 00:20.58 | yazid | JoshTriplett: for a proprietary p2p, best install it on a dedicated old windows box (or vmware/plex) with no private data or dangerous egress cap[abilities |
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| 00:21.03 | JoshTriplett | yazid: But people "wantz their tunez". |
| 00:21.03 | t-jack | yazid: Who did know AudioGalaxy was compromised? |
| 00:21.04 | Phated | JoshTriplett: True. :) |
| 00:21.35 | JoshTriplett | alias: Do they have one? |
| 00:21.36 | pir4 | how can i start, for example, xchat, in the systray ? or minized ? |
| 00:21.36 | yazid | t-jack: it became know only after everything was over except the shouting I think |
| 00:21.40 | JoshTriplett | alias: upstream I mean? |
| 00:21.40 | rich_ | It surprises me people risk fileshareing when everything ends up on usenet anyway. |
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| 00:21.54 | JoshTriplett | rich_: alt.binaries, you mean? |
| 00:22.02 | alias | JoshTriplett, upstream? huh? There's a ton of forums for gallery |
| 00:22.03 | JoshTriplett | rich_: So I've heard. |
| 00:22.04 | \amethyst | Shh! Usenet will be banned as a P2P filesharing system |
| 00:22.07 | Cwiiis | Can anyone help me with a hotplug problem in kernel 2.6.7? I have a hotplug script (and the corresponding .usermap file) - They're only executed if my device is plugged in and I execute /etc/init.d/hotplug start, but only when I start hotplug manually, and only that once :p Anyone know what's up with that? |
| 00:22.30 | t-jack | rich_: Usenet still distribs bins and such? |
| 00:22.37 | rich_ | josh and the multi media groups. |
| 00:22.50 | Phated | t-jack: As uuencoded files, why not? :) |
| 00:22.54 | blissex | Cwiiis: read carefully a few articles about 'hotplug' and its limitations... |
| 00:23.07 | \amethyst | Well, it may well end up being banned in Pennsylvania anyway |
| 00:23.08 | rich_ | t-jack yes, and the thing is, ussually its your own isp who runs the news server. |
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| 00:23.26 | JoshTriplett | alias: That's what I mean. "upstream" in a Debian context means "the original site where the packager got it from". |
| 00:23.35 | JoshTriplett | alias: Meaning the gallery developers. |
| 00:23.41 | t-jack | rich_: Spy'able, then? |
| 00:23.58 | alias | JoshTriplett, I see, I've heard "upstream" just not sure but now I know |
| 00:23.58 | Cwiiis | blissex: I've used hotplug before on other systems and I've read the documentation - That doesn't really help |
| 00:24.05 | Phated | t-jack: Extremely. |
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| 00:24.35 | JoshTriplett | Phated: But then, so is anything that isn't encrypted. |
| 00:24.35 | alias | Does jpeg EXIF data support comments or anything... I have no idea I should just google... I am lazy oh well I've already typed this! |
| 00:24.50 | yazid | JoshTriplett: actually, my aversion nowadays is more to typical windows software and the games played with users ... and I don't mean by MS, which are blessed sheep compared to some offers of "free" things ... it seems 8 out of 10 windows freeware programs are UNUSABLE in a professional environment due to the rights they assert |
| 00:24.53 | rich_ | t-jack I dont know, theyve never said anything. But with the focus of the law being on the distributer, rather than the reciever, it seems to me, they are the ones guilty |
| 00:25.00 | t-jack | Phated: So I better delete that production copy of that new movie, I guess... |
| 00:25.01 | Phated | JoshTriplett: Also true. :) |
| 00:25.06 | Phated | t-jack: Yeppers. :) |
| 00:25.09 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Uh, yeah. :) |
| 00:25.30 | JoshTriplett | yazid: I think that's still true with s/windows freeware/"freeware"/ |
| 00:25.53 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Most no-cost proprietary software has severe issues. |
| 00:26.11 | JoshTriplett | yazid: s/issues/licensing &/ |
| 00:26.12 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: i tried to load another wm and i loaded a remote wm here in my office! :) |
| 00:26.19 | tattoo | that was funny! |
| 00:26.19 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: :) |
| 00:26.22 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: Try this. |
| 00:26.35 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: echo exec wm-of-choice > ~/.xsession |
| 00:26.39 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: a solaris came up on my screen!! LOF |
| 00:26.41 | eeyore- | woohoo! my weekend is starting :-D |
| 00:26.45 | tattoo | ok ;) |
| 00:26.46 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: chmod u+x ~/.xsession |
| 00:26.49 | t-jack | yazid: 7/12 sharewares are unusable period. |
| 00:26.51 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: Then start X again. |
| 00:26.51 | yazid | JoshTriplett: it's not about their license, but the license they take with your equipment and network |
| 00:26.56 | JoshTriplett | yazid: That too. |
| 00:26.57 | Phated | eeyore-: Aye, but have you a four-day one? ;) |
| 00:27.07 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Then again, Microsoft does the same thing with their licenses. |
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| 00:27.19 | JoshTriplett | yazid: "We can access/update your stuff at any time", basically. |
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| 00:27.31 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Absolutely unacceptable in _any_ environment. |
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| 00:27.47 | antihero | so ive found my ethernet card out, but i dont know how to get to the drivers to install it |
| 00:27.53 | eeyore- | Phated: i suppose i could use my two sick days |
| 00:27.53 | t-jack | mechan0r: It's 7:33... Time for a party! |
| 00:27.55 | joh | tcsetattr, yazid: thanks (sorry for the late reply) |
| 00:27.55 | JoshTriplett | antihero: What card? |
| 00:28.03 | timzter | Is it cool to autoforward spam back to its origin? |
| 00:28.04 | Phated | eeyore-: I get two extra for free. :) |
| 00:28.09 | Phated | antihero: Load the modules... |
| 00:28.12 | JoshTriplett | timzter: NO! |
| 00:28.16 | skizzles | timzter, its not worth the bandwidth |
| 00:28.17 | simonrvn | the "getting to it" part is called a modprobe as root/sudo/su |
| 00:28.18 | timzter | JoshTriplett: reason? |
| 00:28.20 | antihero | linksys network |
| 00:28.22 | JoshTriplett | timzter: Consider that most spam has a forged From: header. |
| 00:28.34 | JoshTriplett | timzter: Half my spam is bounces of mail sent "from" me. |
| 00:28.34 | timzter | JoshTriplett: true, it would bounce |
| 00:28.39 | JoshTriplett | timzter: Please don't add to the problem. |
| 00:28.40 | timzter | ok |
| 00:28.42 | Phated | timzter: And you might send it to someone who'd be pissed. |
| 00:28.42 | JoshTriplett | timzter: Not what I mean. |
| 00:28.45 | skizzles | and keep bounching. |
| 00:29.04 | tcsetattr | timzter, unless you are an expert on open relays, open proxies, backdoor trojans, and have infiltrated the spammer's organization, you WILL get the "origin" wrong and just bomb an innoccent person. |
| 00:29.06 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: and "helpful" emails about "you have a virus" |
| 00:29.10 | antihero | joshtriplett: linksys network |
| 00:29.12 | \amethyst | timzter: I get bounces from spam sent with my From: address all the time. It's almost as annoying as the spam itself |
| 00:29.16 | JoshTriplett | timzter: I mean, what happens if someone sends out a virus with randomly selected From: me To: you. You would bounce the mail back to me. |
| 00:29.23 | yazid | JoshTriplett: in the name of security,, because they HAVE to ship with services enabled by default that you a)only need on a managed lan and b) any lan manager worth his pay could just ... enable when needed? |
| 00:29.37 | Phated | JoshTriplett: Isn't it also a form of spam itself? Minus penis enlargement. ;) |
| 00:29.40 | antihero | joshtriplett: Linksys NP100 Network Everywhere |
| 00:29.41 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Heh, right. |
| 00:30.00 | green-earz | antihero: use modconf to help install modules for net cards |
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| 00:30.13 | leatherface | hello |
| 00:30.17 | Ether_Man | What is the best way to use tv-out? create a new xfree config and have multiple x running or is can I switch to tv-out on an already running x session? |
| 00:30.23 | skizzles | is there an RSS feed for newly posted bugs? |
| 00:30.24 | JoshTriplett | antihero: PCMCIA? |
| 00:30.31 | JoshTriplett | skizzles: No, but there's a mailing list. |
| 00:30.35 | JoshTriplett | skizzles: debian-bugs-dist |
| 00:30.37 | yazid | what ever we think of redhat, but shipping with a set up packet filter in the default install WAS a right thing to do |
| 00:30.43 | JoshTriplett | skizzles: Very high volume. |
| 00:30.45 | skizzles | mailing-list is too slow... |
| 00:30.51 | simonrvn | skizzles: no. might be one if you file a bug on www.debian.org meta-package though |
| 00:30.57 | JoshTriplett | yazid: True enough. |
| 00:31.00 | t-jack | Do emails have an ID3-like tags? |
| 00:31.11 | JoshTriplett | yazid: I think Debian should come with far fewer services enabled. |
| 00:31.20 | antihero | joshtriplett: im not sure |
| 00:31.32 | simonrvn | t-jack: what? |
| 00:31.34 | JoePenguin | t-jack: go read the RFC |
| 00:31.36 | \amethyst | Ether_Man: You can set up multiple screens running under the same X display, then when you want to run on the TV, do DISPLAY=:0.1 program |
| 00:31.36 | JoshTriplett | yazid: That reminds me, I should submit a bug about inetd having discard, time, and daytime on by default. |
| 00:31.44 | simonrvn | t-jack: um, headers. read the RFCs |
| 00:31.49 | skizzles | JoshTriplett, yeah that and arnos' IP tables firewall preconfigured and installed |
| 00:31.53 | JoshTriplett | antihero: Laptop card? |
| 00:31.54 | rich_ | JoshTriplett I see what you mean but the thing is, wouldnt that encourage people to install programs they dont need? |
| 00:32.10 | pmcdonnell | Is there a proxy application that can be configured to block "bad" content on the internet (ie, pornography)? |
| 00:32.12 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: you won't be the first one filing that bug.... |
| 00:32.13 | yazid | JoshTriplett: well, apart from being covert channel, i don't think that is critical in practice |
| 00:32.20 | Ether_Man | \amethyst: multiple screens yes but I dont have dual-heads.. Can only use one at a time |
| 00:32.21 | JoshTriplett | rich_: ECONTEXT. |
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| 00:32.25 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: privoxy |
| 00:32.27 | JoshTriplett | rich_: :) |
| 00:32.35 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: Ah. |
| 00:32.43 | antihero | joshtriplett: there is no driver in the modconf menu for my card |
| 00:32.47 | \amethyst | Ether_Man: The card won't output to both the TV and VGA at the same time? |
| 00:32.47 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: That's dense. Why should they be on by default. |
| 00:32.55 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, hmmm... how convient - I already have that. I didn't know it could be configured to block porno-style crap. How? |
| 00:33.09 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: some folks actually use them *shrug* |
| 00:33.18 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: discard? Why? |
| 00:33.32 | JoshTriplett | simonrvn: And why not have those people enable them? |
| 00:33.37 | yazid | JoshTriplett: but port mappers and mailer daemons should definitely not be on by default. and, maybe, neither should inetd |
| 00:33.41 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: not really pr0n stuff, but block off any unwanted pix, and js scripts, and cookies.... |
| 00:33.47 | JoshTriplett | yazid: I agree. |
| 00:33.52 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: like i said, *shrug* |
| 00:34.04 | Ether_Man | \amethyst: nope.. its supposed to but my card is old and I seem to have burned the twinview thingie on the card.. twinview hasnt worked for years.. neither in linux, nor in win |
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| 00:34.11 | JoshTriplett | antihero: Try this: "modprobe pcnet_cs". |
| 00:34.23 | Cwiiis | blissex: Well, thanks for that anyway(!) |
| 00:34.25 | JoshTriplett | antihero: If that doesn't work, post the output of lspci in #flood |
| 00:34.46 | kaloyer | is debian good for moving away from gentoo? |
| 00:34.47 | yazid | only thing i need in inetd usually is the echo service, and that only because a small program monitoring some hosts uses it (ping needs something setuid, while just going for the echo port does not) |
| 00:34.52 | simonrvn | JoshTriplett: i turn most if not all off too... there are better things for those services. those that i do leave on are localhost only |
| 00:34.53 | JoshTriplett | kaloyer: :) |
| 00:34.58 | Phated | kaloyer: Of course. :) |
| 00:35.02 | kaloyer | cool |
| 00:35.09 | pmcdonnell | simonrvn, can it be used to block certain URLs containing certain words? like a images.google.com search for "nude" "porn", etc? |
| 00:35.09 | kaloyer | i'm downloading it now |
| 00:35.11 | JoshTriplett | kaloyer: Do you actually expect an unbiased answer to that in #debian? |
| 00:35.14 | JoshTriplett | kaloyer: :) |
| 00:35.22 | kaloyer | lol |
| 00:35.25 | \amethyst | Ether_Man: You don't need twinview to do dual head |
| 00:35.27 | Phated | JoshTriplett: :) |
| 00:35.28 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: i think you'd have better luck with squid |
| 00:35.30 | JoshTriplett | pmcdonnell: For that, you would want squid. |
| 00:35.35 | Phated | kaloyer: Cool for you. :) |
| 00:35.39 | JoshTriplett | pmcdonnell: And perhaps "dansguardian". |
| 00:35.49 | Ether_Man | \amethyst: not really no.. but the same chip is used on nvidia cards |
| 00:35.50 | rich_ | If you install a daemon you probably want it on at default, and if not then you want to be told so during configuration. But theres things that get installed as pert of the base system that I agree should be off, or maybe inetd shouldnt be part of the base installation? |
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| 00:36.07 | JoshTriplett | rich_: Agreed. |
| 00:36.13 | yazid | JoshTriplett: I would actually greet rc.conf (BSD, not Suse style) - ANY network service that needs to run is explicitly enabled in a central configuration file, and not upon just installing the package |
| 00:36.30 | \amethyst | Ether_Man: Do you have two VGA devices listed in the output of lspci ? |
| 00:36.36 | timzter | Is there a variable in procmailrc designated to the Subject line? I want to rename the Subject line after razor identifies it as spam, but I want to retain the subject line, perhaps: "This is the original subject (this is my added SPAM indicator)" |
| 00:36.40 | JoshTriplett | yazid: I would just favor not installing network daemons by default. |
| 00:36.45 | simonrvn | pmcdonnell: that, or enable proxying in apache, and do it that way |
| 00:36.53 | t-jack | Is there a list of services that should never be run on the same computer? |
| 00:36.55 | Ether_Man | \amethyst: anyway.. Ive tried to force both vga and tv-ou at the same time once.. both screens activated but with a HEAVY loss of light... I was barely able to switch back from it.. |
| 00:37.25 | Ether_Man | \amethyst: yes |
| 00:37.40 | yazid | JoshTriplett: it is VERY easy to ACCIDENTALLY install and activate a network daemon on debian... for example, installing some app that needs a database library that installs, as a recommends, a database server |
| 00:37.42 | Ether_Man | \amethyst: em.. sorry.. no I mean |
| 00:37.53 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Ah, good point. |
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| 00:38.04 | Ether_Man | \amethyst: the other one wasnt the gfx ^_^ |
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| 00:38.24 | \amethyst | Ether_Man: I would go with two X servers on different VTs, then |
| 00:38.48 | Ether_Man | \amethyst: k |
| 00:38.54 | \amethyst | Ether_Man: But I don't know how you'd tell them to use the TV-out if your card has only one device |
| 00:39.07 | \amethyst | s/tell them/tell one of them/ |
| 00:39.33 | Ether_Man | \amethyst: neither do I but shouldnt be too hard to google for it |
| 00:40.01 | yazid | JoshTriplett: just this week. i installed an app server to serve as an "everything and the kitchen sink" host - ie everything installed that could ever be useful. i sure did not select ANY network services, but had quite a share of them at the end of the dselect install run |
| 00:40.31 | \amethyst | Ether_Man: With my card (a Radeon), I can use busid PCI:1:0:0 for VGA and PCI:1:0:1 for TV |
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| 00:40.44 | \amethyst | Ether_Man: Except I don't use the TV out myself... |
| 00:40.50 | Ether_Man | \amethyst: mine is really old.. geforce2mx 400 ^_^ |
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| 00:41.12 | \amethyst | Ether_Man: I had one of those without TV-out before I got this card |
| 00:41.12 | yazid | and just because I install a network service does not mean i want to activate it permanently - oftentimes you want to test it, or read the manpages, or examine the binaries, but definitely not have it activated implicitly |
| 00:41.19 | Ether_Man | \amethyst: I want to watch my anime on the tv.. colors are better on tv than on monitor |
| 00:41.23 | \amethyst | Ether_Man: I eventually got tired of the damned nvidia drivers |
| 00:41.50 | Ether_Man | \amethyst: Im kinda tired of them myself but I cant afford the card I want.. I want a matrox parhelia |
| 00:41.59 | tcsetattr | yazid, that's one reason I avoid dselect. You gott fight the "Recommends" to avoid getting stuff you don't want. |
| 00:42.01 | \amethyst | Ether_Man: Is that well-supported by Linux? |
| 00:42.15 | Ether_Man | \amethyst: better than nvidia atleast.. ALOT... |
| 00:42.16 | yazid | Ether_Man: a geforce is not "really old" except for gamers |
| 00:42.40 | \amethyst | Ether_Man: I got a Radeon 9200, which is about the fastest consumer card that has 3D acceleration with free drivers |
| 00:42.46 | Ether_Man | yazid: its old enought for the twinview chip to break on it.. thats why Im saying old |
| 00:42.51 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: Right. |
| 00:42.57 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: Actually, the 8500 is faster. |
| 00:42.59 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: :) |
| 00:43.09 | \amethyst | JoshTriplett: What's the difference? |
| 00:43.15 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: Not sure. |
| 00:43.36 | \amethyst | JoshTriplett: I'm not a big graphics person; I mostly just care about having as high a resolution as possible |
| 00:43.42 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: A DRI expert explained that the 9200 was newer but slower. |
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| 00:44.07 | yazid | JoshTriplett: I have made good experiences with the old voodoos as high res 2D X cards |
| 00:44.12 | kaloyer | ITS DEBIAN TIME!!! :) |
| 00:44.29 | tcsetattr | it's dodgeball time! |
| 00:44.54 | Phated | WOOT, DODGEBALL! |
| 00:45.10 | Phated | kaloyer: Good for you, mate. :) |
| 00:45.12 | yazid | ooops that was misaddressed |
| 00:45.21 | \amethyst | With the Apple 30" cinema displays, I'm seriously considering selling a kidney on the black market |
| 00:45.31 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: :) |
| 00:45.36 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: What resolution do they run? |
| 00:45.45 | Phated | \amethyst: Aren't we all. ;) |
| 00:45.47 | Supaplex | \amethyst: sell two, and buy me one. :-) |
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| 00:45.54 | samuel | hey all |
| 00:46.01 | yazid | kidneys don't obsolete as fast as hardware though |
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| 00:46.19 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yes yes we are. :) |
| 00:46.28 | \amethyst | JoshTriplett: 1920x1200, so slightly less than my current resolution. That's my biggest problem with LCDs |
| 00:46.37 | samuel | doe anyone know where gnome keeps the .desktop files for the menus? the user menus that is? |
| 00:46.46 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeppers indeedy. |
| 00:46.48 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: Ah. |
| 00:46.54 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: I run 1600x1200 already. |
| 00:46.59 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: 15" LCD. :) |
| 00:47.15 | JoshTriplett | Phated: :) |
| 00:47.16 | blissex | \amethyst: you can try selling other parts of your anatomy and get an IBM hires LCD with 4000x3000 pixels (200DPI IIRC) |
| 00:47.20 | Phated | JoshTriplett: :) |
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| 00:47.30 | JoshTriplett | blissex: I was about to mention that. :) |
| 00:47.39 | JoshTriplett | Phated: It's a Dell Inspiron 8100 laptop. |
| 00:47.41 | \amethyst | blissex: oooh |
| 00:47.51 | JoshTriplett | Phated: Very well supported under GNU/Linux. |
| 00:47.54 | Phated | JoshTriplett: OOOOH. |
| 00:47.55 | scarynetworkguy | pretty sweet gear |
| 00:48.10 | yazid | tcsetattr: I am usually avoiding it too (especially because I usually have a four-release sources.list plus Apt::DefaultRelease in apt.conf, which dselect does not honour, usually to catastrophic effect), but for this task it was almost the right tool |
| 00:48.13 | \amethyst | blissex: How much do bone marrow stem cells go for these days? |
| 00:48.31 | blissex | \amethyst: check eBay :-) |
| 00:48.37 | JoshTriplett | Phated: So are most of the newer dells, but be careful about two things: unsupported too-new graphics cards and unsupported too-evil wireless cards. |
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| 00:48.48 | yazid | who says apple isn't helpful to the medical and scientific community |
| 00:48.49 | Phated | JoshTriplett: All righty. Give me a list. ;) |
| 00:48.58 | JoshTriplett | Phated: List of what? |
| 00:48.59 | Phated | yazid: Heh. :) |
| 00:49.11 | JoshTriplett | Phated: Specs? |
| 00:49.14 | Phated | JoshTriplett: Supported cards. :) |
| 00:49.29 | \amethyst | blissex: Ah, Viewsonic is selling the same panel now |
| 00:49.29 | JoshTriplett | Phated: Ah. |
| 00:49.33 | Phated | JoshTriplett: Specs would be cool too. However, I'll be content with fantasising for now. No green. :( |
| 00:49.45 | JoshTriplett | Phated: Graphics: ATI Radeon less than 9200. |
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| 00:49.53 | Phated | JoshTriplett: Okies. |
| 00:49.54 | JoshTriplett | Phated: Wireless: see the Wireless howto. |
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| 00:50.00 | Phated | JoshTriplett: OK. :) |
| 00:50.07 | JoshTriplett | Phated: Which gives an excellent list of everything that is supported and not. |
| 00:50.09 | Ether_Man | How do I start a second Xfree86 server? I have one running for my vga connector.. When I try to start another using the tv-out connector (I cannot have both active at the same time so thats what I need to do) It says that there is already one running.. Not possible to run two at the same time on diffrent outputs? |
| 00:50.13 | yazid | Phated: i wouldn't shell out nothing for a display with no green |
| 00:50.14 | JoshTriplett | Phated: Almost no g cards are supported. |
| 00:50.28 | JoshTriplett | Phated: Except the prism54, but it requires a non-free firmware. |
| 00:50.30 | Phated | yazid: NO green, ie no money. |
| 00:50.32 | \amethyst | blissex: They're planning on selling it for only $8000. I could probably get that much for a spleen |
| 00:50.34 | Phated | JoshTriplett: Ahh, OK. :) |
| 00:50.36 | kaloyer | does debian have x.org? |
| 00:50.42 | JoshTriplett | kaloyer: No. |
| 00:50.50 | kaloyer | WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!? |
| 00:50.55 | yazid | Phated: I know, but the pun was too fitting to resist |
| 00:50.56 | sussudio | !aolify kaloyer |
| 00:50.58 | Phated | Righto then, schooltime. See you all in a couple hours. |
| 00:51.00 | Phated | yazid: True. |
| 00:51.01 | tcsetattr | Ether_Man, you start it with display number 1 (startx -- :1) |
| 00:51.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: have fun :) |
| 00:51.13 | Ether_Man | tcsetattr: ah.. k.. thanx |
| 00:51.20 | JoshTriplett | !tell kaloyer about xorg |
| 00:51.28 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Chemistry practical! Fun for sure. |
| 00:51.47 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: cool. :) |
| 00:51.51 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeppers. |
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| 00:51.56 | Ether_Man | tcsetattr: hm.. will that work when starting with XFree86 too? since I need to use -xf86config tv.config |
| 00:52.28 | tcsetattr | Ether_Man, if you're using startx, all server args go after the -- and if you're using xdm then you can put it somewhere in the xdm config |
| 00:52.44 | JoshTriplett | Phated: Good luck. |
| 00:52.45 | tcsetattr | `startx -- :1 -xf86config foo' should work |
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| 00:53.01 | Ether_Man | tcsetattr: ah. ic |
| 00:53.22 | blissex | \amethyst: ``cost me an arm and a leg'' has subtly changed meaning over the centuries... |
| 00:53.38 | JoshTriplett | blissex: :) |
| 00:53.40 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: it doesn't work |
| 00:53.50 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: ~/.xsession? |
| 00:53.53 | tattoo | ye |
| 00:53.53 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: It should. |
| 00:53.57 | Ether_Man | yay! it works! ^_^ |
| 00:54.17 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: it should've been worked... |
| 00:54.35 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: What do you have in ~/.xsession? |
| 00:54.40 | yazid | always think of how badly you wanted, say, and eisa/scsi 486 in 1991, and how much it is worth now, and you will never think of selling any organs for computer equipment again |
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| 00:55.38 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: ./xsession -> exec fvw95 |
| 00:55.46 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: ./xsession -> exec fvwm95 |
| 00:55.47 | sussudio | !test |
| 00:55.47 | dpkg | Yes, sussudio, you're still online. |
| 00:55.48 | \amethyst | yazid: But I could rent my organs |
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| 00:56.11 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: That should be ".xsession", not "xsession". |
| 00:56.18 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: The filename starts with a dot. |
| 00:56.25 | Ether_Man | tcsetattr: You dont know if its possible to start things from this x session so that they start on the other do you? |
| 00:56.49 | yazid | Ether_Man: meet the scary xauth, or use ssh -X |
| 00:56.51 | tcsetattr | Ether_Man, just say "DISPLAY=:0 xterm" |
| 00:57.17 | tcsetattr | yazid, he's already on the same machine, and I presume running frmo the same account, so xauth should already have the necessary entry |
| 00:57.22 | JoshTriplett | yazid: xauth? That's nothing. Try getting X programs running in a chroot. :) |
| 00:57.26 | idnar | how can I break the lock on a Firefox profile? |
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| 00:57.37 | JoshTriplett | yazid: mount --bind /tmp/.X11-unix /chroot/tmp/.X11-unix |
| 00:57.39 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: ~/.xsession |
| 00:57.45 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: Right. |
| 00:57.46 | Ether_Man | tcsetattr: cool.. thanx alot |
| 00:57.52 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: that's what i have |
| 00:57.56 | yazid | tcsetattr: if he starts via startx/xinit, yes, he should, though i've witnessed startx botching it some times |
| 00:58.11 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: i did a mistake :( |
| 00:58.14 | \amethyst | idnar: there should be a symlink .firefox/profile-name/asdfiasd.slt/lock . Just remove it |
| 00:58.29 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: OK, can you put "touch ~/it-worked" in there before the "exec fvwm95"? |
| 00:58.31 | yazid | JoshTriplett: I would just do X via TCP in that case (firewalled from the internet of course!) |
| 00:58.36 | idnar | \amethyst: I've done that, but Firefox still claims that it's in use |
| 00:58.37 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Nah. |
| 00:58.40 | \amethyst | idnar: where profile-name is the profile name and asdfiasd is some random sequence of characters |
| 00:58.52 | \amethyst | idnar: Hrm. Meet your buddy, strace |
| 00:59.03 | idnar | \amethyst: hrm, that's an idea |
| 00:59.09 | JoshTriplett | yazid: The way I described, you can actually have 3D acceleration in the chroot. |
| 00:59.14 | idnar | \amethyst: I must be tired ;) |
| 00:59.15 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Try _that_ over TCP. :) |
| 00:59.43 | \amethyst | I have straced firefox quire a few times, because I didn't feel like spending weeks learning the source :) |
| 00:59.49 | yazid | JoshTriplett: 3D acceleration... because X gets too stable otherwise |
| 00:59.50 | \amethyst | weeks getting started, that is |
| 00:59.54 | JoshTriplett | yazid: :) |
| 01:00.07 | Supaplex | lol |
| 01:00.08 | JoshTriplett | yazid: You must have an nVidia card. :) |
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| 01:00.34 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: Then run it again, and look for ~/it-worked . |
| 01:00.39 | \amethyst | JoshTriplett: ATI is only marginally better |
| 01:00.46 | mechan0r | is there anything known about 2.6 that causes it to lock up after an hour (assuming that's when sleep happens) do I need to enable ACPI sleep modes |
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| 01:00.57 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: ATI's proprietary firegl is just as bad. |
| 01:01.03 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: (From what I've heard.) |
| 01:01.11 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: But the Free drivers have worked fine for me. |
| 01:01.14 | mechan0r | on laptop |
| 01:01.30 | JoshTriplett | mechan0r: Check linux-laptop.net for your laptop. |
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| 01:01.55 | mechan0r | do I need to build the sleep mode drivers in 2.6 under ACPI |
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| 01:02.08 | yazid | JoshTriplett: several nvidia situations at work. 2d stock nv driver usually lets you run a display for months and never crashes hard (the only way I could do it is by opening a gargantuan (as to display size) ps in gs. most 3d drivers for nv i've seen couldn't run a week without hard crashing |
| 01:02.20 | \amethyst | JoshTriplett: I have some minor problems (segfaults in X, but rare), which haven't bugged me enough to figure out what's going on yet |
| 01:02.21 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Exactly. |
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| 01:02.32 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: I've never had an X segfault. |
| 01:02.38 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: I've had applications segfault. |
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| 01:02.57 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: But I have no idea whether or not it was just the applications' fault. |
| 01:03.04 | momonigga | joshtriplett: i installed my tulip driver and i know what my ethernet card it but when i run dmesg it says that eth0:ADMtek |
| 01:03.07 | yazid | ghostscript really has the uncanny ability to lock X displays hard |
| 01:03.08 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: u mean -- create a file /it-worked and execute fvwm95? |
| 01:03.10 | momonigga | not linksys |
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| 01:03.16 | kaloyer | should i go floppy network or this: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 01:03.30 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: In ~/.xsession , yes; that way you know if it ran. |
| 01:03.39 | JoshTriplett | momonigga: Strange. |
| 01:03.45 | \amethyst | JoshTriplett: dunno. I suppose I could run it under gdb and get a backtrace, but that won't help if it's a memory corruption bug |
| 01:03.49 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: sorry, echo 'exec fvwm95' > ~/it-worked? |
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| 01:03.54 | JoshTriplett | momonigga: Could be that the underlying chipset was just rebranded. |
| 01:03.56 | yazid | kaloyer: debian installer has floppy support too, newer drivers, builtin raid and (beware! LVM2!) lvm support |
| 01:03.56 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: No. |
| 01:04.03 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: rm ~/it-worked. |
| 01:04.09 | tattoo | ok |
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| 01:04.12 | kaloyer | sounds good to me |
| 01:04.20 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: echo touch ~/it-worked > ~/.xsession |
| 01:04.27 | \amethyst | JoshTriplett: What ATI card do you have, BTW? |
| 01:04.30 | yazid | kaloyer: and it really IS cleaner |
| 01:04.32 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: echo exec fvwm95 >> ~/.xsession |
| 01:04.35 | momonigga | joshtriplett: this is antihero buy the way |
| 01:04.43 | JoshTriplett | momonigga: I guessed that. |
| 01:04.47 | JoshTriplett | :) |
| 01:04.47 | kaloyer | yazid: i have it downloading now |
| 01:04.48 | momonigga | ha |
| 01:04.51 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: Radeon 7500. |
| 01:05.00 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: Radeon Mobility 7500. |
| 01:05.00 | samuel | what do you do if even after rebooting exim "-Mrm" still says that the message is "locked" and cannot be deleted? |
| 01:05.05 | momonigga | joshtriplett: is there a way i can change that? |
| 01:05.06 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: 64MB. |
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| 01:05.15 | JoshTriplett | momonigga: Not as far as I know. You shouldn't need to. |
| 01:05.21 | JoshTriplett | momonigga: Just see if it works now. |
| 01:05.30 | JoshTriplett | momonigga: Connect it to your network. |
| 01:05.30 | \amethyst | JoshTriplett5D5D: Ah, if you had a 9200 I was going to ask you to verify a rendering problem |
| 01:05.38 | momonigga | i did, still no connection |
| 01:05.38 | JoshTriplett | \amethyst: What's the problem? |
| 01:05.39 | \amethyst | s/5D5D/ |
| 01:05.47 | JoshTriplett | momonigga: Hmmm. |
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| 01:05.55 | momonigga | is there a way i can set up my ip and dhsc |
| 01:06.04 | yazid | lvm is my only point of critique with DI... it deploys a version of LVM2 which is unusable except with a nonstandard or 2.6.x kernel |
| 01:06.07 | JoshTriplett | momonigga: Can you post the output of ifconfig to #flood? |
| 01:06.15 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Strange. |
| 01:06.27 | JoshTriplett | yazid: It doesn't even work with the kernel it installs? |
| 01:06.31 | momonigga | im not on my linux box |
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| 01:06.37 | JoshTriplett | momonigga: Ah. |
| 01:06.40 | JoshTriplett | momonigga: Forgot. |
| 01:06.41 | idnar | \amethyst: turns out that firefox had an incorrect path to the profile (/home used to be a symlink to /usr/home, but it isn't now, and firefox had /usr/home/... as the path) |
| 01:06.42 | JoshTriplett | momonigga: One moment. |
| 01:06.46 | momonigga | ok |
| 01:07.00 | yazid | JoshTriplett: it does. but a standard 2.4.x does not have device mapper support, so it is definitely a nonstandard kernel in my book |
| 01:07.06 | \amethyst | JoshTriplett: lavalite from xscreensaver renders the lava blobs with stripes |
| 01:07.26 | yazid | JoshTriplett: and lvm10 cannot read a vg initialized with lvm2 |
| 01:07.47 | samuel | im trying to send messages to other computers via ssh, how can i open up the x display so that i can use, say, zenity to send a msgbox to the computer i am connected to? |
| 01:07.54 | JoshTriplett | momonigga: "ifconfig | grep inet addr". That should tell you your ip address. |
| 01:08.22 | \amethyst | JoshTriplett: some of the faces are getting the wrong color, as though they're at the wrong angle. It looked fine on my previous card (NVidia), so I suspect it's the driver (or the card) |
| 01:08.47 | Zorg33 | Hi, I need some help with my xfree86 system |
| 01:08.57 | JoshTriplett | samuel: You have to have permission to open that display. Then run "env DISPLAY=:thenumberoftheirdisplay theprogramyouwanttorun". |
| 01:09.02 | yazid | samuel: usually does not work that way around. easiest would be to log in to the display machine, do some xauth magic, and run zenity there |
| 01:09.03 | mechan0r | goodnight gents and ladies my head is heavy |
| 01:09.19 | greycat | dpkg, no, adjtime is broken in Linux 2.4 (at least). See: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/daemons/ntp/PPS/PPSkit-adjtime-fix.diff and http://mailman.ntp.org/pipermail/questions/2003-September/000512.html |
| 01:09.19 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 01:09.36 | JoshTriplett | greycat: Interesting. |
| 01:10.07 | thomas_adam | Post Post Script? |
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| 01:10.10 | sussudio | peepees? |
| 01:10.14 | tcsetattr | greycat, apt-cache search ppskit shows ntp-refclock |
| 01:10.19 | greycat | and unfortunately that patch doesn't even want to *think* about applying itself to 2.4.26. |
| 01:10.49 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: "can't open display" |
| 01:11.03 | greycat | tcsetattr: noted, thank you... but I just want to keep a friggin' *desktop workstation* in sync with another box on a 100Mbps lan! |
| 01:11.08 | yazid | most unstable X 2d driver I got to know is glint... xlock constantly manages to crash it rock hard with some of the flashier modes! |
| 01:11.08 | kaloyer | before my cd image finishes, does debian support xfs? |
| 01:11.09 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: When do you get that error? |
| 01:11.12 | samuel | yazid, JoshTriplett thanks, what was the command to free the display? or should i have permission if i log in as a user of the machine? a root user? |
| 01:11.13 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: "in function main <<ERROR>> can't open display" |
| 01:11.17 | greycat | I'm not trying to do anything complicated! |
| 01:11.38 | JoshTriplett | samuel: Being root won't help. |
| 01:11.42 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: Not what I mean. |
| 01:11.50 | tcsetattr | greycat, you're trying to sync 2 machines to each other without using a real external clock for accuracy? |
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| 01:11.56 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: What did you do right before getting that error? Run X? |
| 01:12.09 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: That's probably fvwm95 erroring out, then. |
| 01:12.11 | yazid | samuel: maybe you can reuse the cookie pair while holding an ssh -Xconnection from the display host open |
| 01:12.15 | JoshTriplett | tattoo: Which is weird. |
| 01:12.27 | \amethyst | tcsetattr: Sometimes you just need precision |
| 01:12.29 | JoshTriplett | momonigga: What was the result? |
| 01:12.34 | greycat | tcsetattr: the firewall box is synced to upstream time servers on the internet. The desktop box is supposed to sync to the firewall. |
| 01:12.35 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: run this command on the console... |
| 01:12.40 | greycat | tcsetattr: very standard arrangement |
| 01:12.48 | JoshTriplett | greycat: Why not just sync the desktop box to time.nist.gov? |
| 01:12.58 | bahadunn | I dont like standard arrangements |
| 01:13.00 | JoshTriplett | greycat: (Not that what you are doing shouldn't work, but...) |
| 01:13.09 | greycat | JoshTriplett: you think that'll matter when adjtime(2) HAS NO EFFECT? |
| 01:13.17 | greycat | 2004-08-06 21:10:32.229934500 adjusting local clock by 15.205977s |
| 01:13.20 | greycat | 2004-08-06 21:11:02.241172500 reply from 192.168.2.1: offset 15.265636 delay 0.000427, next query 30s |
| 01:13.22 | yazid | note about clock synching: it is always a very bad idea to set the clock backwards while system is multiuser |
| 01:13.51 | \amethyst | greycat: adjtime works gradually |
| 01:13.53 | greycat | I'd be happy if I could get the clock to move in the right direction *at all* |
| 01:14.08 | \amethyst | greycat: It's going to take more than 30 seconds to make up a 15-second difference |
| 01:14.10 | yazid | weirdest ntp behaviour I have seen was a box that had 12 seconds pass for itself while in the real world (tm) 60 seconds passed |
| 01:14.11 | tattoo | JoshTriplett: gotta go! i see that when i get home. |
| 01:14.13 | tux | i got "bad header line" error when i try to upgrade with kdelibs-data, even after i changed the mirror..any ideas ? |
| 01:14.14 | greycat | \amethyst: it's either *too* gradual for this clock's skew, or it's totally broken. |
| 01:14.37 | JoshTriplett | greycat: So tell ntp not to use it. |
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| 01:14.51 | \amethyst | greycat: use settimeofday on first boot |
| 01:15.07 | bitznbytes | whats the best book for debian? |
| 01:15.13 | greycat | \amethyst: and then...? |
| 01:15.18 | yazid | greycat: ntp will staunc |
| 01:15.20 | \amethyst | greycat: then adjtimex once they're within a second or so |
| 01:15.23 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: None at the moment; all of them are out of date. |
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| 01:15.47 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Use an online guide, like newbiedoc.sf.net and qref.sf.net . |
| 01:15.51 | yazid | greycat: hly refuse to ever spin the clock back. and it is good that way. ever had cron go for your neck after doing that? |
| 01:15.51 | bitznbytes | would debian bible in 2001 be worth buying |
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| 01:15.58 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Especially the latter; it's very good. |
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| 01:16.14 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Well, I used it when it was new. |
| 01:16.15 | greycat | yazid: my clock is FIFTEEN SECONDS BEHIND. |
| 01:16.19 | \amethyst | greycat: I use ntpdate then ntpd, but I don't know if ntpdate uses settimeofday or what |
| 01:16.33 | greycat | yazid: OpenNTPD keeps calling adjtime() to set it FORWARD 15.xxx secs, and it doesn't move forward. |
| 01:16.35 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: But it documents 2.2, and 3.0 has been stable for a long time. |
| 01:16.36 | antihero1 | joshtriplett: i checked my ip and it says something other then what i think my ip is |
| 01:16.40 | tux | i got "bad header line" error when i try to upgrade with kdelibs-data, even after i changed the mirror..any ideas ? |
| 01:16.41 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: With 3.1 about to be. |
| 01:16.42 | \amethyst | greycat: Setting time ahead with date -s is usually okay |
| 01:16.43 | kaloyer | so, no xfs? |
| 01:16.48 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: What does it say? |
| 01:16.52 | nwbie | hi |
| 01:17.01 | yazid | greycat: then i'd set it via rdate or ntpdate first, then start ntp synching |
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| 01:17.06 | antihero1 | 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:17.09 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: :) |
| 01:17.12 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: Then no. |
| 01:17.19 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: That's the loopback address. |
| 01:17.23 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: Not your ethernet card. |
| 01:17.25 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: OK. |
| 01:17.36 | greycat | yazid: that's what I'm *trying to do*! ntpdate works fine. ntpd doesn't do shit. |
| 01:17.43 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: You need to configure the network in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 01:17.45 | nwbie | 127.0.0.1 |
| 01:17.51 | JoshTriplett | greycat: Uh, then use ntpdate? |
| 01:17.51 | \amethyst | greycat: ntpd doesn't work even after you do ntpdate? |
| 01:18.06 | tcsetattr | greycat, I'm glad you mentioned this. I just noticed my own supposedly-ntp-synced machines are off |
| 01:18.10 | Golden|wolf | how can i add new drivers ? |
| 01:18.10 | greycat | Fuckin' christ, if there is a limitation of adjtime(2) such as "if your clock deviates by more than X microseconds per second, it won't work..." or something, WHY isn't it in the MAN PAGES? |
| 01:18.27 | tux | anyone one use Sid and get "Bad header line" when updating or its just me ? |
| 01:18.32 | greycat | tcsetattr: yay!! now help me fix it :) |
| 01:18.35 | \amethyst | greycat: How are you getting a fifteen-second skew between when you run ntpdate and when you run ntpd? |
| 01:18.49 | bitznbytes | couldnt find those links.. |
| 01:18.50 | greycat | \amethyst: it took a week. |
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| 01:18.57 | tcsetattr | ugh, I found one where ntpd was running, and not logging any errors, but it was 67 seconds fast! |
| 01:18.58 | bitznbytes | whats the best site to learn about debian |
| 01:19.05 | Golden|wolf | how can i add new drivers ? |
| 01:19.08 | greycat | \amethyst: the skew happens WHILE ntpd IS RUNNING. ntpd DOES NOT KEEP THE CLOCK IN SYNC. |
| 01:19.11 | JoePenguin | bitznbytes: www.debian.org/doc |
| 01:19.11 | bitznbytes | is debian the most stable distro to use |
| 01:19.13 | tux | bitznbytes: www.google.com/linux |
| 01:19.26 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Both of those links I posted work here. |
| 01:19.27 | rich_ | bitznbytes yes |
| 01:19.33 | yazid | tcsetattr: as i said.. clock running at 1/5 the speed it should was the crassest i saw |
| 01:19.34 | \amethyst | greycat: OH, no adjtimes worked during the whole week. Okay |
| 01:19.43 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: http://qref.sourceforge.net and http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net |
| 01:19.45 | greycat | And goblin is 4.6 seconds off the firewall. |
| 01:19.57 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Definitely. |
| 01:20.03 | greycat | but that could be a fluke... I haven't been watching goblin's clock closelty. |
| 01:20.12 | \amethyst | greycat: Didn't catch that it was in sync when ntpd started. That is definitely a problem |
| 01:20.18 | JoshTriplett | Golden|wolf: You mean load a module, or build new drivers? |
| 01:20.26 | Golden|wolf | module |
| 01:20.34 | yazid | greycat: what clock are you comparing to? could it be that your reference machine actually runs a wrong local clock? |
| 01:20.35 | Golden|wolf | there was a command for it, i forogot |
| 01:20.40 | antihero1 | joshtriplett: im in interfaces, what do i do now |
| 01:20.40 | JoshTriplett | Golden|wolf: modprobe |
| 01:20.48 | JoshTriplett | Golden|wolf: If that works, then add it to /etc/modules. |
| 01:20.52 | \amethyst | greycat: what's in /etc/adjtime? |
| 01:20.56 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: Do you use dhcp? |
| 01:21.01 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: Or static addresses? |
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| 01:21.12 | Golden|wolf | JoshTriplett, thank you |
| 01:21.35 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: Do you see a line that mentions eth0? (eth0 was your ethernet card, right?) |
| 01:21.35 | greycat | yazid: Two linux machines inside NAT firewall. Firewall is OpenBSD. Linux box #1 (griffon) is 15 seconds off. Linux box #2 (goblin) is 4 seconds off. Firewall (pegasus) syncs to ntp-1.ece.cmu.edu ntp-2.ece.cmu.edu clock-1.cs.cmu.edu pool.ntp.org |
| 01:21.50 | bitznbytes | one more ques if you dont mind....Im running debian at the moment...3.0.r2 and i cant get mozilla to run..any suggestions? |
| 01:22.00 | greycat | pegasus runs in-tree OpenBSD ntpd (alias OpenNTPD). goblin runs Debian ntp 4.1.something. griffon has tried both of 'em without success. |
| 01:22.04 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: What happens when you try to run it? |
| 01:22.05 | tcsetattr | it seems that this problem machine is gaining .0005 sec per minute... how long do I have to let that go on before I conlcude that ntpd is not doing its job? |
| 01:22.24 | bitznbytes | the hard drive seems to be working and then nothing |
| 01:22.24 | yazid | greycat: are you running the 4.2.x ntp packages ? |
| 01:22.38 | JoshTriplett | greycat: Ah. I seem to recall that there was an incompatibility between BSD ntp and Debian's ntp. |
| 01:22.43 | jamesr | what is the simplest way to downgrade from sid->sarge? |
| 01:22.43 | antihero1 | joshtriplett: there is no line |
| 01:22.46 | JoshTriplett | greycat: I remember reading that somewhere. |
| 01:22.48 | antihero1 | that says that |
| 01:22.49 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: OK. |
| 01:22.57 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: And are you using dhcp or static addresses? |
| 01:22.58 | yazid | jamesr: reinstall |
| 01:23.07 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Funny, but true. :) |
| 01:23.11 | greycat | yazid: griffon *was* running 4.2.x at one point. That's when I observed that ntptrace from ntp 4.2.x cannot talk to OpenNTPD (they changed the protocol). So I went back to 4.1.2. |
| 01:23.15 | greycat | yazid: I have a bug open on that one. |
| 01:23.19 | antihero1 | i think dhcp |
| 01:23.23 | bitznbytes | can i reinstall mozilla? |
| 01:23.28 | greycat | JoshTriplett: yeah, that's my bug. |
| 01:23.36 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: OK. Add this line to the file: |
| 01:23.41 | nwbie | i can't configure my ppp connection |
| 01:23.46 | greycat | bitznbytes: you can sure try. |
| 01:23.49 | yazid | jamesr: or just take sid out of sources list and wait two weeks, then remove all packages tagged local ;) |
| 01:23.51 | JoshTriplett | auto eth0 |
| 01:24.00 | samuel | JoshTriplett, thanks, it worked! |
| 01:24.03 | JoshTriplett | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 01:24.09 | bitznbytes | also, whats the most recent stable ver of debian out now that everyone is using |
| 01:24.13 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: Add both of those. |
| 01:24.16 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Woody. 3.0 |
| 01:24.19 | greycat | bitznbytes: latest stable release is still woody. |
| 01:24.25 | greycat | bitznbytes: sarge is half-frozen now |
| 01:24.30 | JoshTriplett | antihero1: Then run "ifup eth0". |
| 01:24.43 | jamesr | yazid, ok then |
| 01:24.49 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Strange that it wouldn't work. |
| 01:24.53 | bitznbytes | ok..so the ver i have '3.0.r2' is recent |
| 01:25.06 | bitznbytes | im acgtually running in in vmware |
| 01:25.07 | yazid | greycat: i just found that, while they might have better default security in 4.2.x, it was a real bugger to configure it to just work with a single reference server |
| 01:25.12 | greycat | bitznbytes: it's about 2.5 years old, but with security patches |
| 01:25.21 | bitznbytes | really |
| 01:25.25 | bitznbytes | why so old? |
| 01:25.27 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Yes, that's the current version. |
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| 01:25.34 | jamesr | why not? |
| 01:25.37 | greycat | bitznbytes: that's why there's so much dire need to get sarge released |
| 01:25.38 | MerlinCorey | because it's uber stable.. |
| 01:25.42 | blissex | bitznbytes: because of social problems in the Debian project. |
| 01:25.43 | \amethyst | bitznbytes: Do you see any messages when you start mozilla from the command line? |
| 01:25.50 | bitznbytes | nope |
| 01:25.55 | bitznbytes | oh... |
| 01:25.59 | bitznbytes | never ran it from command line |
| 01:26.04 | bitznbytes | it did work.. |
| 01:26.19 | bitznbytes | whats on the go at the debian project? |
| 01:26.20 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: 1) Because many users want a distribution that rarely changes. 2) Because Debian was doing a major rearchitecting of the installer. |
| 01:26.26 | yazid | greycat: with 4.1.x, it was just "slap in 'timeserver local.time.server' and go ... miserable security probably, but just working fine in a shielded LAN situation |
| 01:26.31 | JoshTriplett | blissex: Those are the main reasons. |
| 01:27.01 | bitznbytes | whats the situation now? |
| 01:27.02 | greycat | hold on, I'm gonna go kick griffon's clock in the ass. |
| 01:27.07 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Users who want newer software at the expense of some stability run the "testing" distribution. |
| 01:27.19 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: The installer is just about done, and Debian is just about to release. |
| 01:27.26 | blissex | JoshTriplett: the main reason is that most DDs are very happy with running 'testing' or 'unstable', so they don't think there is any urgency in doing yet another boring stable release. |
| 01:27.28 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:27.31 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Aiming for september. |
| 01:27.34 | JoshTriplett | blissex: That too. |
| 01:27.37 | yazid | stability here pertains to distro state stability, not program robustness, which i find is better in sarge |
| 01:27.42 | bitznbytes | ok...what ver will it be called? |
| 01:27.44 | JoshTriplett | blissex: But I don't think that's the main reason. |
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| 01:27.51 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: 3.1 |
| 01:27.58 | paperdog | how can I make /usr/bin/mbmon setuid root? |
| 01:28.03 | bitznbytes | ok...do you think there will be books out on it? |
| 01:28.08 | antihero | josh: ok so now when i use ifconfig, my ethernet comes up |
| 01:28.12 | JoePenguin | paperdog: man chmod |
| 01:28.21 | greycat | bitznbytes: interesting question. |
| 01:28.26 | JoshTriplett | antihero: WIth the correct IP address? |
| 01:28.32 | \amethyst | What were the big changes in woody? I wasn't using debian then |
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| 01:28.33 | antihero | no |
| 01:28.33 | bitznbytes | would it be a waste of my money to buy the Debian Bible dated 2001 |
| 01:28.34 | blissex | JoshTriplett: well the other social reason is that DDs tend to be perfectionists. So the alternative is between a ``perfect'' stable and we can live with 'testing' or 'unstable' in the meantime... |
| 01:28.37 | JoshTriplett | antihero: Hmmm. |
| 01:28.40 | JoePenguin | bitznbytes: yes |
| 01:28.46 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Yes. |
| 01:28.49 | greycat | bitznbytes: if you already know Linux, yes, it would be a wate |
| 01:28.52 | greycat | +s |
| 01:28.57 | bitznbytes | i |
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| 01:29.01 | yazid | I wish the archive system had a provision to say "install testing as would have been testing on date DATE", but i see disk space probably would not allow |
| 01:29.02 | bitznbytes | i'm still new to it.. |
| 01:29.03 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Great when it came out, but too outdated now. |
| 01:29.11 | JoshTriplett | yazid: snapshot.debian.net |
| 01:29.14 | JoshTriplett | yazid: :) |
| 01:29.19 | yazid | JoshTriplett: oh! |
| 01:29.25 | paperdog | JoePenguin : it says nothing about how to actually change something, give me another reading:) |
| 01:29.29 | JoshTriplett | yazid: Yeah, it's great. |
| 01:29.30 | bitznbytes | i really would like to get a book that tells me what I can do with debian |
| 01:29.31 | greycat | bitznbytes: you might be better off just finding a general purpose linux or unix book, rather than a debian one |
| 01:29.42 | blissex | JoshTriplett: part of the perfectionism is the requirement to get stable on all platforms, with everything tested etc. it is still a social problem... |
| 01:29.44 | bitznbytes | that was my next ques..thanks |
| 01:29.44 | greycat | bitznbytes: the special bits of Debian are very easy once you understand basic unix concepts |
| 01:29.51 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Again, I strongly recommend qref.sourceforge.net |
| 01:29.51 | JoePenguin | paperdog: Actually, you're right. I've always been unhappy with the chmod man page. |
| 01:30.02 | bitznbytes | just tried that site..and it didnt work |
| 01:30.05 | yazid | JoshTriplett: snapshot.debian.org does not resolve here |
| 01:30.06 | paperdog | so where is the info i need? |
| 01:30.09 | antihero | josh: anyother ideas? |
| 01:30.17 | samuel | is there any way for a user to edit the panel menu without changing the universal menu for all users? what is the format for the vfolders where the menu is stored? |
| 01:30.17 | peterS | JoshTriplett: the "q" in qref is like the "K" in KDE, right? it no longer actually stands for anything? |
| 01:30.18 | greycat | what's that other one... |
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| 01:30.24 | JoshTriplett | yazid: snapshot.debian.net . |
| 01:30.36 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I have no idea. I thought it stood for "quick". |
| 01:30.50 | greycat | http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:30.53 | JoshTriplett | antihero: Several. |
| 01:31.08 | antihero | ok |
| 01:31.10 | JoshTriplett | greycat: I mentioned that one too. He said he can't reach it. |
| 01:31.22 | greycat | ah... |
| 01:31.32 | paperdog | whoa 4755 did it |
| 01:31.33 | JoshTriplett | antihero: You added the two lines I mentioned to /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 01:31.39 | antihero | yes |
| 01:31.46 | JoePenguin | !tell paperdog about setuid |
| 01:31.47 | bitznbytes | ok got it |
| 01:31.49 | bitznbytes | thanks. |
| 01:31.53 | JoshTriplett | antihero: And the ethernet cable is connected to your DHCP server? |
| 01:31.56 | peterS | JoshTriplett: right, but that's like O'Reilly's "C# in a Nutshell", which runs well over 800 pages. the "In a Nutshell" is purely forumlaic |
| 01:32.03 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Right. |
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| 01:32.17 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Much like the P in Perl. :P |
| 01:32.23 | peterS | JoshTriplett: heh |
| 01:32.25 | tcsetattr | paperdog, on GNU/Linux systems the info page is often more detailed than the man page. |
| 01:32.25 | paperdog | JoePenguin thanks |
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| 01:32.36 | bitznbytes | thanks all..will be back another time |
| 01:32.45 | greycat | peterS: still smaller than the Bat Book |
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| 01:32.56 | peterS | greycat: true enough |
| 01:32.57 | antihero | josh: the cabel is connected to the card in the back |
| 01:33.21 | JoshTriplett | antihero: And the other end? :) |
| 01:33.27 | bitznbytes | oh..one more ques...if anyone was to buy a Linux book that would help with learning..what one would you recommend |
| 01:33.46 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: One moment. |
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| 01:33.51 | antihero | is connected to the router which is connected to the wall |
| 01:34.26 | JoshTriplett | antihero: And you're sure the router does DHCP? |
| 01:34.32 | antihero | josh: i have internet on this comp, but no hub, i just have to keep switching the cable back and forth |
| 01:34.47 | antihero | i dont know |
| 01:34.49 | greycat | antihero: *blink* |
| 01:35.15 | yazid | bitznbytes: good question. one ANCIENT unix book that is surprisingly informative on the basics is Stephen Bourne's "The UNIX V Environment" |
| 01:35.31 | bitznbytes | ok..thanks... |
| 01:35.43 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Just one second, I'm looking up the link. |
| 01:35.50 | yazid | it is 20 years old or so though... and one is surpised how much still bloody applies! |
| 01:35.51 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: It's "A Practical Guide to Linux". |
| 01:35.55 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Excellent book. |
| 01:35.56 | bitznbytes | so would any general linux book be a good start to? and would it help with debian? |
| 01:36.02 | bitznbytes | thanks |
| 01:36.14 | bitznbytes | do you have an authors name for that one? |
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| 01:36.26 | enntee | Is there a specific rc file in init.d to put my own smaller stuff in? |
| 01:36.32 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: http://search.barnesandnoble.com/textbooks/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=106FA4p9yc&isbn=0201895498&TXT=Y&itm=4 |
| 01:36.40 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Mark Sobell. |
| 01:36.41 | carrett | bitznbytes, there's also "the debian/gnu linux bible" haven't tried, but i hear it's good |
| 01:36.47 | JoshTriplett | carrett: :) |
| 01:36.57 | JoshTriplett | carrett: We've been through that one. :) |
| 01:37.04 | carrett | JoshTriplett, sorry. |
| 01:37.06 | yazid | bitznbytes: a general linux/unix book could tell you a lot of things on admin that are either bullshit or even dangerous on a debian system though |
| 01:37.08 | JoshTriplett | carrett: It was written for (and comes with) potato. |
| 01:37.12 | carrett | JoshTriplett, my scroll up key is broken |
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| 01:37.17 | carrett | JoshTriplett, oh. didn't know. |
| 01:37.26 | JoshTriplett | yazid: True, but still useful. |
| 01:37.41 | yazid | JoshTriplett: see what I said about that ancient book |
| 01:37.43 | JoshTriplett | yazid: That particular one doesn't, AFAIK. |
| 01:37.45 | bitznbytes | yes..thats the one i'm looking at |
| 01:37.50 | JoshTriplett | yazid: The one I recommended, I mean. |
| 01:37.55 | bitznbytes | the debian bible |
| 01:38.01 | bitznbytes | its dated 201 |
| 01:38.04 | bitznbytes | 2001 |
| 01:38.08 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: Definitely no on that one. |
| 01:38.18 | yazid | best is to not mind botching the first few installs |
| 01:38.19 | bitznbytes | ok..thanks...thought about buying it |
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| 01:38.38 | greycat | I don't think Debian has a Bible... just a bunch of Chick tracts. |
| 01:38.43 | JoshTriplett | antihero: How is it configured under Windows? |
| 01:39.11 | peterS | greycat: huh? |
| 01:39.14 | yazid | and the beer always tastes very good after the first time you, say, have to fix fstab with sed because /usr refuses to mount |
| 01:39.15 | bitznbytes | how about this one 'a pratcial guide to linux' by mark sobell |
| 01:39.19 | g4lt | greycat thank $DEITY that I haven't eaten recently after your last remark |
| 01:39.19 | JoshTriplett | antihero: It may be using PPPoE, which requires additional configuration. |
| 01:39.24 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: :) |
| 01:39.26 | greycat | peterS: oh damn, I hoped someone would get it. |
| 01:39.31 | JoshTriplett | bitznbytes: That's the one I just recommended. :) |
| 01:39.39 | bitznbytes | cool..ok thanks. |
| 01:39.44 | greycat | peterS: "Jack Chick" published a bunch of pseudo-christian propaganda pamphlets called Chick Tracts. |
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| 01:40.01 | yazid | greycat: pseudo christian? |
| 01:40.01 | sleep1999 | mozilla firfox just BOOMED...... |
| 01:40.08 | peterS | greycat: ahh |
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| 01:40.29 | sleep1999 | it just says some extension priviledge access denied blah blah blah |
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| 01:40.42 | bitznbytes | it was published in 97 though |
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| 01:40.56 | JoshTriplett | antihero: Anyway, at least you have the card working; now you just need to get the network working. |
| 01:41.05 | greycat | yazid: the sort of christianity that reads some bad translation of the bible one word at a time and only sees the "thou shalt not" bits, and misses the whole meaning. |
| 01:41.06 | tcsetattr | my first introduction to unix was Sobell's "Practical Guide to UNIX" ... it's a good book. Unfortunately I loaned it out a couple years ago and haven't seen it since |
| 01:41.09 | JoshTriplett | antihero: I have to get going. Good luck with the problem. |
| 01:41.17 | JoshTriplett | greycat: :) |
| 01:41.22 | JoshTriplett | tcsetattr: :) :) :) |
| 01:41.39 | JoshTriplett | tcsetattr: Same here, and it's been mentioned twice now. :) |
| 01:41.48 | tcsetattr | and I loaned out my K&R2 about 4 years ago, never got that back either. I gotta stop doing that. |
| 01:41.54 | greycat | the only unix book I actually have is Kernighan & Pike, and that's from 1984 or so... |
| 01:42.09 | \amethyst | greycat: ``You mean you're going to teach me how to have _the real power_?" |
| 01:42.44 | yazid | the K&R2 is one of the few books i bothered buying |
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| 01:44.02 | yazid | a K&R book on C9x, now that would be really cool but probably will not happen |
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| 01:44.35 | antihero1 | josh: ok, huge improvment, i set up static ip insted of dhcp |
| 01:45.00 | rich_ | thanks everyone, bbl |
| 01:45.54 | tcsetattr | yeah, I still don't know anything about C99 except that it standardized snprintf and long long... come on K&R3 |
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| 01:46.37 | greycat | tcsetattr: and // comments |
| 01:46.51 | tcsetattr | ugh, and that. |
| 01:46.53 | hansvi | didn't it also allow const, or was that another version? |
| 01:47.03 | tcsetattr | const came in with C89 :) |
| 01:47.14 | greycat | const is in C89 |
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| 01:47.32 | hansvi | time flies :) |
| 01:47.43 | Golden|wolf | i did make-kpkg to update my kernel, anything else i need to do? |
| 01:47.45 | tcsetattr | heh |
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| 01:48.22 | lynchman | I just updated my testing box and now my usb mouse is not recognized by hotplug and XF86 - anyone know what may have happened? |
| 01:48.25 | hansvi | tnx :) |
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| 01:48.43 | enntee | Hi. I'm trying to figure out why the files I put in "/var/lock/console" disappear on every reboot.. I've grep'd init.d for "/var/lock" but it's not coming up with anything. anyone know why these files are being erased? |
| 01:48.51 | yazid | tcsetattr: whatever C standard that is from, I am glad gcc 3.x at least lets you write initializers after normal statements |
| 01:49.48 | yazid | enntee: grep -r '/var/lock/console' /etc/* |
| 01:50.04 | \amethyst | yazid: I don't know if that is in C99 or not (it wasn't in C89, but is in C++, I believe) |
| 01:50.20 | yazid | C++ had that for long |
| 01:50.38 | JoePenguin | enntee: /etc/init.d/mountall.sh says "# Clean /tmp, /var/lock, /var/run" followed by "bootclean mountall" |
| 01:50.45 | greycat | in C, you can declare variables after any opening { (inside any block). |
| 01:50.48 | tcsetattr | I would guess that /var/lock is meant for lockfiles that become stale after the lockign process dies, so it makes sense to wipe them all out on reboot. maybe you shouldn't be putting whatever you're putting in there in there |
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| 01:51.02 | greycat | so you can do things like if (foo == bar) { int c; for (c = 0; ..... |
| 01:51.08 | JoePenguin | enntee: your grep skillz are feeble |
| 01:51.10 | tcsetattr | yeah, and emulating C++ is surely the way to elegance :) |
| 01:51.46 | yazid | greycat: and you could always do that. I've seen gcc 3.3 compile "int foo=0;bar;int bang=blah" stuff though |
| 01:52.12 | yazid | enntee: then grep through /usr |
| 01:52.19 | greycat | yazid: bad code. not portable. :) |
| 01:52.30 | tcsetattr | and in C++ you can do for(int i=0;i<n;++i) I wonder if that made it into C99 |
| 01:53.04 | JoePenguin | get a room |
| 01:53.07 | JoePenguin | :P |
| 01:53.12 | MerlinCorey | got one... |
| 01:53.20 | MerlinCorey | just opened the plexi-viewing-glass... |
| 01:53.21 | MerlinCorey | ;) |
| 01:53.23 | greycat | JoePenguin: they have one, too... #C++ |
| 01:53.32 | hansvi | wow big lightning over here |
| 01:53.41 | yazid | greycat: well, at least g++ 3.x doesn't let you compile void blah (const char* foo) { ... strcat(foo,bar)... } type stuff, which i have seen 2.95 compile |
| 01:53.43 | hansvi | some alarms went off |
| 01:54.04 | JoePenguin | i heard on the radio today that a kid got "struck" by lightning that traveled through his computer and into him |
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| 01:54.35 | yazid | JoePenguin: lightning can travel by induction too |
| 01:55.00 | g4lt | tcsetattr taking a catnap ;P |
| 01:55.46 | hansvi | going to disconnect everything, it's quite close.. bye |
| 01:55.47 | tcsetattr | it seems to me that it's impossible to get db_appinit to actually work without the DB_CREATE flag. In which case why is it a flag? |
| 01:55.49 | yazid | and i've had a nearby lightning strike fry (literally, there was evidence of a blast flame inside) stuff on the *secondary* side of a computer PSU. luckily the computer survived somehow |
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| 02:00.22 | antihero | greycat: can you help me out? |
| 02:02.38 | antihero | can someone help me with an internet connection problem? |
| 02:02.51 | greycat | !ask |
| 02:02.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
| 02:04.34 | antihero | i set up a static connection in /etc/network/interface and i can use ifup eth0 and it says already configured but i cant get any pages to load |
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| 02:05.09 | vikasbn | anithero: have you setup route? |
| 02:05.38 | antihero | how do i do tha? |
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| 02:06.51 | hennewou | antihero: I've used the package etherconf to configure my network. Try it also: apt-get install etherconf. |
| 02:07.39 | enigmus | the pkg rhythmbox in unstable seems to be broken. It is supposed to contain the file rhythmbox.schemas (from packages.debian.org), but when I do dpkg -x, I can't find it. |
| 02:07.42 | \amethyst | tcsetattr: It is required even when the db files already exist? |
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| 02:07.57 | \amethyst | eep |
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| 02:08.22 | antihero | hennewou: it says it cant find the package |
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| 02:08.30 | tcsetattr | apparently. strace is showing me that it is unlinking all the shared-memory backing files, then it complains because they don't exist |
| 02:08.38 | antihero | vikasbn:how do i set up route? |
| 02:08.44 | hennewou | Download it with the computer you are on now |
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| 02:09.17 | timzter | My mail has been working just fine, but now I cant remember where my IMAP server files are. How can I find out? |
| 02:09.24 | scarynetworkguy | antihero: man route also see the faq for how to make it permanent |
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| 02:11.50 | hennewou | antihreo: search google for /etc/network/interfaces gateway (I assume you have a router). |
| 02:12.08 | scarynetworkguy | timzter: odds are a locate *imap* will at least get you started down the right path |
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| 02:12.27 | scarynetworkguy | !tell antihero about faq |
| 02:13.33 | timzter | scarynetworkguy: I do telnet localhost 143 and I see the imap server responding. How can I tell what process name is running on that port? |
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| 02:14.00 | tcsetattr | timzter, netstat -pan|fgrep :143 |
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| 02:14.18 | greycat | timzter: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 02:15.47 | scarynetworkguy | timzter: of all the things the bot suggests my personal fave is lsof. But that is mostly just personal prefrence |
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| 02:16.51 | antihero | how do i get my floppy drive to read |
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| 02:17.03 | greycat | antihero: easy way: mdir, mcopy. standard way: mount |
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| 02:18.11 | hennewou | antihero: mount /floppy |
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| 02:18.41 | timzter | This is my problem. I was trying to get procmail/razor working and I it worked. When I received spam on my Outlook 2000, I see that my procmail has successfully renamed the subject to "SPAM". Then I tried to use Outlook's Rules Wizard to move mail marked as "SPAM" in the subject to a folder. I created the folder as part of the IMAP server instead of in a personal/local folder on my PC. Ever since then, my Outlook 2000 has been |
| 02:18.53 | Golden|wolf | whats a easy way to upgrade kernel in debian? |
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| 02:19.26 | Guerin | Golden|wolf: apt-get install kernel-image-foo.bar.baz |
| 02:19.34 | antihero | it says input/output error |
| 02:19.42 | JoePenguin | timzter: We are not a Windows support channel |
| 02:19.44 | scarynetworkguy | Golden|wolf: apt-get install kernelsourcethatyouwant kernelheadersthatyouwant kernel-package and read the readme also see the FAQ |
| 02:20.01 | timzter | JoePenguin: I know.. I want to get to the folder on the imap server on my linux box, but I dont know where it is. |
| 02:20.12 | hennewou | anthero: probably your disk is broken |
| 02:20.12 | antihero | greycat:it says input/output error |
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| 02:20.36 | Guerin | timzter: ask #$YOUR_IMAPD |
| 02:20.56 | scarynetworkguy | antihero: try with another floppy |
| 02:21.00 | timzter | Guerin: what do you mean? |
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| 02:21.11 | shinmen | hello all, i have a problem, i think is more related to debian than to nvidia, when i do the make menuconfig i can't find a way to "modularize" the nvidia support, thus, when i search for the nvidia.o i can't find it, and also (as the main part) the nvidia installer fails to install... at #nvidia e`there's nobody to answer, and i know the information given is not enough to solve the problem, but at least i'd like to know where to start, thank you all verty m |
| 02:21.11 | shinmen | uch. |
| 02:21.13 | Guerin | timzter: ask the people in the channel with the same name as your imap server |
| 02:21.16 | toothpick | Is there an SDL chess interface? |
| 02:21.18 | antihero | its not even reading it though |
| 02:21.31 | scarynetworkguy | shinmen: do it the "Debian way" |
| 02:21.32 | antihero | theres no sounds coming from the drive |
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| 02:21.46 | shinmen | scarynetworkguy: i'd |
| 02:22.01 | toothpick | I just removed X from this old laptop and am trying to find out what web browser supports SDL or something that is quick and visual |
| 02:22.05 | \amethyst | shinmen: do you have nvidia-kernel-source unpacked in /usr/src/modules/ ? |
| 02:22.15 | shinmen | scarynetworkguy: i'd tried to work with it... but i don't know... it doesn't seems to be something really going on... |
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| 02:22.30 | greycat | shinmen: install kernel sources, nvidia-kernel-source, kernel-package. extract both in /usr/src. configure kernel (nvidia won't be in it). make-kpkg --blahblah kernel_image modules_image |
| 02:22.34 | shinmen | \amethyst: i have 'em |
| 02:22.37 | \amethyst | shinmen: There won't be anything about it listed in menuconfig |
| 02:22.41 | hennewou | antihero: are you sure your floppy drive is attached correctly? |
| 02:22.48 | \amethyst | shinmen: You have to do make-kpkg modules_image |
| 02:22.50 | scarynetworkguy | !tell shinmen about faq |
| 02:23.16 | scarynetworkguy | shinmen: I just added how to do it to the faq the other day. Don't get the installers from nvidia |
| 02:23.27 | shinmen | ok guys, thanks you very much, i know now where to start |
| 02:23.28 | antihero | yeah |
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| 02:23.33 | antihero | it reads when i boot up |
| 02:23.50 | shinmen | scarynetworkguy: thanks a lot (also to everyone else) |
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| 02:24.01 | scarynetworkguy | shinmen: np |
| 02:24.08 | shinmen | now i know where to start :P |
| 02:24.22 | toothpick | how do I configure my system so SDL will work? I just apt-get install falconseye but it doesn't start |
| 02:24.42 | toothpick | I get like 10 periods then the command prompt |
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| 02:25.06 | hennewou | antihero: are you trying to copy the etherconf package? |
| 02:25.15 | antihero | im trying to get it off the disk |
| 02:25.40 | hennewou | antihero: what's your routers ip-address? |
| 02:25.59 | antihero | im not sure |
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| 02:26.18 | hennewou | antihero: you have to know that anyway |
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| 02:27.38 | antihero | 192.168.0.254 |
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| 02:30.36 | blits | hey guys, I need a piece of software that will play a bunch of MP3s from a directory, randomly and continually (never stopping). Thing is the MP3s in the directory will be added and removed by a 3rd party program. The player needs to keep up. This rules out an mpg123 playlist. Any suggestions? |
| 02:30.56 | azurewraith | hey, I was curious if anyone has had any trouble with getting anything that has to be compiled working under Debian testing/unstable... basically after installing kernel-headers and kernel-source for my version of the kernel, nothing seems to compile right (in particular the NVIDIA Geforce 4 Drivers and the Linuxant Driver Loader)...specific error responses available upon request |
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| 02:31.39 | var1ety | i have a dvd-rom, is there any way to automount both iso9660 cds and udf dvds without needing to mount either one manually? |
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| 02:31.55 | scarynetworkguy | azurewraith: are you building the nvidia drivers the "Debian Way" |
| 02:32.06 | joe666 | hi, I've compiled a 2.6.7 kernel with acpi thermal_zone support, the computer now shutsdown whenever it reaches a critical temperature, nevertheless it does shut unproperly (no umount disks, etc). acpid is installed and running the event is detected and the script I wrote triggered but the shutdown seems to come from the kernel so the script never runs, is there a way to fix this ?, where can I found info about this ?, I have already google it with no suc |
| 02:32.06 | joe666 | cess, help please |
| 02:32.08 | The_Vulture | azurewraith: I've been compiling the nvidia-kernel-source package against various versions of Linux 2.4 and 2.6 in sid for years |
| 02:32.57 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:33.32 | azurewraith | scarynetworkguy, The_Vulture : I attempted to do it both ways (neither worked) I'm running last weeks image of Sarge, I was a Slackware 9.1 user before I switched, so I'm used to compiling things |
| 02:33.36 | conceited | anyone know where i can get an eterm .deb ? |
| 02:33.53 | MetalGODin | apt-get install eterm :) |
| 02:33.55 | The_Vulture | azurewraith: a) you don't need the kernel source, just the headers |
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| 02:34.10 | The_Vulture | b) you have installed and read the README for nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 02:34.57 | azurewraith | I glanced at it, briefly... |
| 02:35.08 | conceited | MetalGODin, nope doesn't work |
| 02:35.09 | JoePenguin | xerophyte: read the installation guides for each of those operating systems, and when you partition your disk remember to leave space for the other OS. |
| 02:35.12 | hennewou | xerophyte: you should start downloading/burning cd-images |
| 02:35.12 | azurewraith | not sure if I have the current nvidia-kernel-source or not |
| 02:35.24 | The_Vulture | azurewraith: so update/upgrade.. |
| 02:36.18 | azurewraith | I'll give it a shot, so using nvidia-kernel-source is the way to go (as opposed to compiling it manually then) |
| 02:36.19 | Whirl256 | are rhthmbox and gnome buggy? i can't seem to remove them or reinstall them through apt-get ... |
| 02:36.38 | Whirl256 | rhythmbox* |
| 02:37.11 | JoePenguin | conceited: It Works For Me (tm) --> ftp://my_local_debian_mirror/debian/pool/main/e/eterm/eterm_0.9.2-8_i386.deb |
| 02:37.36 | The_Vulture | azurewraith: you still have to compile a deb from nvidia-kernel-source, but it's a trivial process if you follow the README |
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| 02:39.07 | azurewraith | The_Vulture : Okay, then it doesn't sound too bad... thanks for all your help. Debian is a very interesting style of Linux heh |
| 02:39.13 | MetalGODin | conceited, apt-get update next apt-get install eterm |
| 02:39.16 | MetalGODin | that should work |
| 02:39.27 | conceited | ok |
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| 02:39.41 | conceited | root@box:~# apt-get update next apt-get install eterm |
| 02:39.41 | conceited | E: The update command takes no arguments |
| 02:39.41 | conceited | root@box:~# |
| 02:40.06 | conceited | oh you wanted me to do it one at a time |
| 02:40.07 | conceited | duh |
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| 02:40.54 | JoePenguin | conceited: you partially redeemed yourself by figuring that out yourself ;) |
| 02:42.16 | xerophyte | with grub how can you configure different boot partition just wondering |
| 02:42.45 | xerophyte | as far as i know you can configure only one boot partition how can switch the boot partition inthe configuration and boot th other os like Gentoo |
| 02:42.45 | Whirl256 | JoePenguin, what other commands would you suggest alongside: apt-get install -f and dpkg --configure -a? |
| 02:42.56 | Whirl256 | (or anyone else...please (: ) |
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| 02:43.36 | Whirl256 | i can't seem to get rid of this annoying msg, dpkg: error processing rhythmbox (--configure): |
| 02:43.37 | Whirl256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.37 | Whirl256 | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gnome: |
| 02:43.37 | Whirl256 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:43.37 | dpkg | Whirl256: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
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| 02:43.55 | Whirl256 | argh |
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| 02:44.08 | Whirl256 | dpkg: error processing rhythmbox (--configure): |
| 02:44.09 | dpkg | Whirl256: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 02:44.17 | Whirl256 | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 02:44.18 | Whirl256 | etc etc |
| 02:44.52 | Whirl256 | dpkg, it started off as a mingetty error |
| 02:44.52 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, Whirl256 |
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| 02:45.07 | Whirl256 | (which i managed to resolve) |
| 02:45.08 | locsmif | apt-get -f install gnome rhythmbox |
| 02:45.17 | Whirl256 | locsmif, been there, done that :-/ |
| 02:45.33 | locsmif | Whirl256: have you tried them on one line ? |
| 02:45.38 | conceited | root@box:~# apt-get install eterm |
| 02:45.39 | conceited | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 02:45.39 | conceited | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 02:45.39 | conceited | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 02:45.39 | conceited | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 02:45.39 | conceited | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:45.46 | Whirl256 | yes, locsmif |
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| 02:46.08 | conceited | told you it wouldn't work MetalGODin |
| 02:46.13 | locsmif | Whirl256: you are fubar |
| 02:46.16 | Whirl256 | it asks for a file for rhythmbox, which i have created, as well |
| 02:46.33 | Whirl256 | fubar?! (sorry, i'm still a newb...so, clueless here hehe) |
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| 02:46.48 | locsmif | Look it up |
| 02:46.52 | Whirl256 | i will |
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| 02:47.47 | locsmif | Whirl256: and rhythm itself, does it depend on gnome? mutually dependent? |
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| 02:47.56 | Whirl256 | locsmif, found it...anyhow, fluxbox works fine but i need to get other packages installed |
| 02:48.03 | Whirl256 | locsmif, apparently, yes |
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| 02:48.33 | locsmif | Whirl256: maybe you can prevent the post install config script from running |
| 02:48.38 | h2g2 | hello |
| 02:48.42 | Whirl256 | locsmif, how would i do that? |
| 02:48.51 | locsmif | Whirl256: I'll have a look :) |
| 02:49.05 | locsmif | mom |
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| 02:49.23 | tcsetattr | Whirl256, the configure script for the package will be something like /var/lib/dpkg/info/rhythmbox.postinst |
| 02:49.26 | MetalGODin | conceited, are u using sid ? |
| 02:49.27 | JoePenguin | conceited: sounds like something is broken. That doesn't mean it's with eterm, but it could be because of some other package that you previously tried to install. |
| 02:49.36 | Whirl256 | tcsetattr, thank you, i'll take a look.... |
| 02:49.36 | JoePenguin | conceited: Have you tried running "apt-get -f install" ? |
| 02:49.59 | conceited | yea i've tried runnin apt-get -f install |
| 02:50.04 | tcsetattr | Whirl256, you might get away with dpkg --purge --force-deps rhythmbox ; apt-get install rhythmbox |
| 02:51.17 | Whirl256 | tcsetattr, deps? it doesn't recognize it |
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| 02:51.41 | xebian | Do I really have to have modular sound to get my microphone to work? |
| 02:51.42 | conceited | ooh i got it to work |
| 02:51.45 | conceited | i'll be damned |
| 02:53.24 | locsmif | Whirl256: if you unpack the package, patch or remove the post-install script, you may have achance |
| 02:53.42 | xebian | Do I really have to have modular sound to get my microphone to work? |
| 02:53.47 | stevewabc_Office | anyone now whats needed for setting up a dual monitor? I have 1 AGP NVidia card working fine and 1 PCI plan video card |
| 02:53.58 | locsmif | dpkg --unpack |
| 02:53.58 | dpkg | locsmif: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 02:54.02 | locsmif | lol |
| 02:54.08 | locsmif | ..dpkg --unpack |
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| 02:54.44 | mwilson | stevewabc_Office: Put them both in your X configuration... plenty of information available via Google. |
| 02:55.17 | xebian | Do I really have to have modular sound to get my microphone to work? "Whats inside me?" |
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| 02:55.54 | Whirl256 | locsmif, removing the postinstall script looks like an interesting option...(stupid question coming up:) do i merely delete that file you mentioned earlier?! |
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| 02:56.32 | tcsetattr | Whirl256, I guess --force-deps is raelly --force-depend but you could have figured that out if you did --force-help |
| 02:57.02 | Whirl256 | ok, i tried this instead...dpkg --help (and of course it's not listed) |
| 02:57.06 | locsmif | Whirl256: since its in the .deb, you can experiment ok |
| 02:57.19 | azurewraith | The_Vulture, when i try to `make-kpg` it says that i don't have such a command |
| 02:57.28 | Whirl256 | locsmif, tcsetattr, maybe i should go back to slack :-/ |
| 02:57.36 | deadcat | Whirl256: good luck |
| 02:57.43 | locsmif | Whirl256: never! ;) |
| 02:57.51 | locsmif | !slackware |
| 02:57.51 | Whirl256 | but it's so much easier! (: |
| 02:57.52 | dpkg | slackware is, like, what we used to use before we had real distributions, or has 4,999 users, now that zatmac uses debian, or for the terminally masochistic, or like debian but without the good things, or the best linux distribution =), or smackware, or the best distrbution evar, or crackware |
| 02:57.57 | scarynetworkguy | azurewraith: apt-get install kernel-package |
| 02:58.28 | stevewabc_Office | thanks |
| 03:00.28 | azurewraith | heh, i get all kinds of compiler errors, it says its trying to use /usr/src/kernel-src-2.2.25 when i clearly am running 2.4.26 |
| 03:01.38 | Whirl256 | wow, i have been trying to get this going for so long that i've forgotten why i have in the first place |
| 03:01.40 | locsmif | Whirl256: In theory, you can bend the script in rhythnbox as far as you want |
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| 03:02.04 | Whirl256 | locsmif, in theory, if you know what you're doing you can make your 'puter do backflips for you ;D |
| 03:02.09 | greycat | azurewraith: and you're in what directory...? |
| 03:02.19 | locsmif | err rhythmbox |
| 03:03.02 | locsmif | Whirl256: fair enough, hehe, I just don't want you to bail on debian because you have one dependency problem. Although they are a bitch, admittedly. |
| 03:03.18 | jivera | In the emails when people mention n packages are left to be updated for libtiff4, where are thy getting this information from? http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=tiff says there are still 162 (much more than the 12 I last saw). |
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| 03:03.26 | azurewraith | heh, i was in /usr/src/linux which was a symlink to the wrong directory... but whats the standard practice for all these kernel-options? |
| 03:03.30 | Whirl256 | locsmif, i have been battling with debian since march, there's no way i'm giving up now (-: (i was venting) |
| 03:03.37 | jivera | (Or is that better directed at #debian-devel?) |
| 03:04.09 | greycat | azurewraith: cd /usr/src; tar xjvf linux-foobar.tar.bz2; cd linux-foobar; make menuconfig; make-kpkg blah blah |
| 03:04.32 | jcole | anyone here ever installed the ati drivers from http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html successfully on a 2.6.x kernel? |
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| 03:04.48 | Whirl256 | locsmif, what if i comment out the section on that file it's looking for in the rhythmbox script? |
| 03:04.58 | azurewraith | greycat, i got that far... do you really have to answer all these kernel information questions? |
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| 03:05.33 | locsmif | Whirl256, unfortunately, I can't debug the post-install script for you. If you look for "exit 1" however. you might find out why it bailed out. If you look for it, and you find fewer than 5, paste it here. |
| 03:05.43 | greycat | azurewraith: oh man, don't get me started... |
| 03:05.54 | Whirl256 | locsmif, where would i look for it? |
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| 03:06.05 | greycat | azurewraith: I've been ranting about that stupid linux "feature" for months |
| 03:06.06 | tcsetattr | Whirl256, it might be helpful to change the #! line so the postinst script runs with sh -x |
| 03:06.18 | Whirl256 | tcsetattr, ?!! |
| 03:06.34 | greycat | Whirl256: or just add a "set -x" inside it |
| 03:06.37 | tcsetattr | Whirl256, if you use more punctuation characters than letters, you're not communicating. |
| 03:06.38 | locsmif | Whirl256: use an editor to edit the script from the unpacked .deb , I already told you how to unpack a .deb |
| 03:06.50 | tcsetattr | unless you're a perl programmer. |
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| 03:07.13 | toothpick | What do I need to get svga working? apt-get what? |
| 03:07.17 | Whirl256 | tcsetattr, it was an expression of bafflement (: |
| 03:07.21 | azurewraith | greycat, I'm a 4th year computer engineering major but I really don't give a rats-ass about 'Databook TCIC host brigde support' |
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| 03:07.28 | Whirl256 | locsmif, i'll scroll up and check |
| 03:07.33 | kanibal | hi |
| 03:07.35 | kanibal | spanish |
| 03:07.49 | scarynetworkguy | !tell kanibal about spanish |
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| 03:08.28 | locsmif | flowers love people. |
| 03:08.30 | greycat | azurewraith: you're one of the first people I've ever met in this channel who understands how stupid this is. |
| 03:08.32 | kanibal | korn vivs |
| 03:08.51 | jcole | i get the error "/usr/src/modules/fglrx-4.3.0-3.9.0/firegl_public.c:294:22: drm_proc.h: No such file or directory" |
| 03:09.06 | scarynetworkguy | !win jcole |
| 03:09.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, jcole! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 03:09.08 | sjtu | After install dnsmasq, some sites can't be linked, like ytht.net, when use nmap -P0 to scan it which say filted, but i can link it from windows, any suggestions? |
| 03:09.14 | guestish | where are the non i386 debian sarge isos? |
| 03:09.23 | greycat | guestish: /topic #debian-boot |
| 03:09.31 | greycat | 23:09 You're not on that channel |
| 03:09.32 | greycat | WHAT??!? |
| 03:09.42 | tcsetattr | greycat, the beauty of menuconfig is you can go right to the questions you're interested in. Try "make config" sometime! |
| 03:09.50 | greycat | tcsetattr: BTDT. |
| 03:09.58 | guestish | greycat: ? |
| 03:10.04 | guestish | greycat: i just want to know where the isos are |
| 03:10.08 | greycat | guestish: some idiot broke it |
| 03:10.11 | azurewraith | greycat, I just don't see the point... I don't need that much control over the machine, atleast i don't recall Slackware asking me a bout a billing questions |
| 03:10.20 | greycat | fuckin' christ. |
| 03:10.21 | toothpick | Does anyone know if there is a non x chess interface? |
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| 03:10.48 | guestish | greycat: ? |
| 03:10.49 | scarynetworkguy | toothpick: http;//packages.debian.org |
| 03:10.53 | guestish | greycat: the cds are broken? |
| 03:11.02 | greycat | 23:10 Topic for #debian-boot: Welcome to the Debian-Installer development channel -- http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer | For help mail debian-boot@lists.debian.org | final builds: 20040801 images, 20040806 sarge_d-i CDs |
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| 03:11.28 | Whirl256 | she* |
| 03:11.34 | scarynetworkguy | Whirl256: why? |
| 03:11.36 | guestish | greycat: .... |
| 03:11.38 | tcsetattr | you mean /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:11.41 | locsmif | Whirl256: you need to download the .deb ofcourse |
| 03:11.42 | greycat | !kill #debian-boot ops |
| 03:11.53 | Whirl256 | oh yeah, thank you |
| 03:11.55 | locsmif | Whirl256: would be the easiest |
| 03:12.05 | Whirl256 | ok |
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| 03:12.24 | locsmif | flowers *love* people |
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| 03:12.39 | guestish | greycat: ah, found it |
| 03:13.49 | toothpick | scarynetworkguy I've been doing the apt-cache search |
| 03:13.50 | simonrvn | flowers have been around millions of years before humans were a gleam in mothe nature's eye, so i don't think they give a crap whether or not use humans are around or not |
| 03:14.03 | simonrvn | bah |
| 03:14.06 | toothpick | I gotta install a browser...and was hoping something sdl...perhaps links will od te trick. |
| 03:14.15 | scarynetworkguy | !start flower war |
| 03:15.02 | locsmif | I wonder if the french motherf*cker is in here who awk's channel topics on freenode for e-mail addresses so he can send trojan spam-zombie payload. Are you here? Est-tu la? Va te faire enculer dans gros pédé, espčce de guignol. |
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| 03:15.24 | simonrvn | @tell locsmif -about gay |
| 03:15.25 | scarynetworkguy | toothpick: I often find searching with the web interface easier |
| 03:15.49 | locsmif | !crap on simonrvn |
| 03:16.03 | simonrvn | locsmif: get a life |
| 03:16.17 | guestish | the sarge cd image host has some good bandwidth |
| 03:16.33 | Whirl256 | locsmif, Preparing to replace rhythmbox 0.8.5-2 (using rhythmbox_0.8.5-2_i386.deb) ... |
| 03:16.33 | Whirl256 | Unpacking replacement rhythmbox ...all done |
| 03:16.54 | Whirl256 | now what? |
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| 03:18.23 | locsmif | 04:50 < tcsetattr> Whirl256, the configure script for the package will be something like /var/lib/dpkg/info/rhythmbox.postinst |
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| 03:18.29 | Whirl256 | ok |
| 03:18.47 | Whirl256 | i'm there |
| 03:18.52 | locsmif | so look for rhythmbox.postinst |
| 03:19.00 | tcsetattr | if you successfully installed the deb, don't go messing with the /var/lib/dpkg/info scripts! |
| 03:19.01 | Whirl256 | i've opened it up with nano |
| 03:19.43 | locsmif | Whirl256: look for exit 1, if you have less then 4/5 hits, paste it. |
| 03:20.08 | locsmif | else do not. |
| 03:20.21 | Whirl256 | locsmif, tcsetattr, i only have exit 0 |
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| 03:20.37 | azurewraith | alright, so i've attempted to `make-kpg` after answering a million questions... make bails out on me and says 'error: 'stderr' undeclared |
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| 03:20.59 | azurewraith | ...among other errors |
| 03:20.59 | peterS | Whirl256: in that case your problem is that something is failing and causing the script to exit because of the "set -e" near the top of it |
| 03:20.59 | locsmif | Whirl256: most strange |
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| 03:21.07 | greycat | azurewraith: what is the *first* error? |
| 03:21.11 | peterS | Whirl256: you can possibly work around this by commenting out the "set -e" |
| 03:21.19 | testi | Hello! Someone know what the best way is to install the ATI-Driver? |
| 03:21.22 | peterS | Whirl256: that's not a fix, it's a workaround, but you can try it |
| 03:21.24 | Whirl256 | peterS, i do have a set -e |
| 03:21.27 | greycat | testi: startx |
| 03:21.37 | peterS | Whirl256: right. I'm saying you can try commenting it out |
| 03:21.49 | sjtu | It's there a bug in recent sid tetex packages, when install tetex-bin got error message fmtutil.cnf not found? |
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| 03:22.05 | locsmif | peterS: hmm. great of you to jump in :) |
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| 03:22.21 | testi | startx? that doesn' install the ATI-Driver, does it? |
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| 03:22.25 | azurewraith | greycat, it says I don't have any .h files (scripts/mkdep.c:36:19: stdio.h: No such file or directory" |
| 03:22.26 | tcsetattr | Whirl256, what are you trying to do now? |
| 03:22.30 | Whirl256 | peterS, i can go right ahead and do an apt-get install? |
| 03:22.33 | greycat | !b-e azurewraith |
| 03:22.33 | dpkg | azurewraith: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 03:22.40 | peterS | locsmif: if that was sarcasm ... sorry, I could have let you continue, but it sounded like you hadn't thought of the 'set -e' thing |
| 03:22.44 | greycat | testi: /msg dpkg ati drivers |
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| 03:22.51 | peterS | Whirl256: you can try it |
| 03:22.52 | Whirl256 | tcsetattr, i'm making sure i don't screw up (-; |
| 03:22.56 | dimm0k | i have a sblive card with the digital add on board... using alsa i can get my speakers connected to the digital card to work, but no analog... any ideas? |
| 03:23.14 | Whirl256 | Setting up rhythmbox (0.8.5-2) ... |
| 03:23.25 | Whirl256 | /etc/gconf/schemas/rhythmbox.schemas:1: parser error : Document is empty (of course, I had to "touch" it) |
| 03:23.30 | Whirl256 | /etc/gconf/schemas/rhythmbox.schemas:1: parser error : Start tag expected, '<' not found |
| 03:23.44 | greycat | azurewraith: but I have no idea *how* you managed to get "make menuconfig" to work if you're missing libc6-dev and libncurses5-dev |
| 03:23.58 | Whirl256 | peterS, locsmif, tcsetattr, i'm thinking of commenting out the section on this file, as well, within that script |
| 03:24.14 | peterS | Whirl256: well, it won't actually cause the install to fail. it shouldn't, anyway. |
| 03:24.25 | testi | thank you greycat |
| 03:24.29 | locsmif | peterS: lol, trust me I meant it and yes I hadn't thought of it.. |
| 03:24.35 | peterS | locsmif: heh, ok |
| 03:24.53 | Whirl256 | what is the "fi" - is it safe to comment it? |
| 03:24.55 | tcsetattr | Whirl256, seriously, did you ever try the dpkg --purge --force-depends ; apt-get install |
| 03:25.02 | Whirl256 | tcsetattr, yes |
| 03:25.10 | peterS | Whirl256: 'fi' is matched with 'if' |
| 03:25.11 | azurewraith | ah! amazing... sweet mother of compilation |
| 03:25.14 | sjtu | when run update-menus /etc/menu-method/fvwm has error, any meet? |
| 03:25.21 | peterS | Whirl256: if you comment out one, comment out the other |
| 03:25.28 | Whirl256 | ok, i have taken care of that |
| 03:25.45 | Whirl256 | oh wow...firegarten:/home/aqua# apt-get install gnome |
| 03:25.45 | Whirl256 | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 03:25.45 | Whirl256 | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 03:25.45 | Whirl256 | gnome is already the newest version. |
| 03:25.45 | Whirl256 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded. |
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| 03:26.02 | Whirl256 | (did you receive what i wrote before i got booted out?) |
| 03:26.05 | locsmif | lol Whirl256 you have a weird learning curve about flooding. |
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| 03:26.13 | azurewraith | greycat, i'm pretty sure i grabbed a few compilation packages but never grabbed all of what 'build-essentials' had installed |
| 03:26.26 | Whirl256 | locsmif, haha ;D |
| 03:26.28 | codewarrior2 | so darn hard to find a channel with people |
| 03:26.38 | Whirl256 | ok, so now i'll try the new kernel... |
| 03:26.40 | greycat | azurewraith: yeah, but "stdio.h" is pretty damned essential :) |
| 03:26.45 | codewarrior2 | what is it with slashdot on slashnet.org being so damn idling |
| 03:26.58 | jivera | Hm... is kernel-source-2.6.7-3 a vanilla kernel.org tree or does it include the debian patches? (I just noticed kernel-patch-debian-2.6.7...) |
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| 03:27.02 | locsmif | Whirl256: it seems it worked out :) |
| 03:27.04 | greycat | codewarrior2: #gentoo has lots of people |
| 03:27.10 | locsmif | stay debian! :) |
| 03:27.12 | codewarrior2 | I hope those of you who live in the U.S. have read the recent slashdot story: http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/04/08/06/1348257.shtml?tid=95&tid=153&tid=123&tid=103 |
| 03:27.14 | azurewraith | greycat, my question is, thats standard stuff on most any linux kernel... why isn't that already on there? |
| 03:27.17 | Whirl256 | thank you so much guys, locsmif, tcsetattr, and peterS :D |
| 03:27.35 | deadcat | assholes in #gentoo NEVER help me.. so fuck them. |
| 03:27.37 | guestish | codewarrior2: sucks doesnt it? |
| 03:27.40 | guestish | deadcat: ... |
| 03:27.42 | codewarrior2 | yeah |
| 03:27.45 | codewarrior2 | its applaing |
| 03:27.48 | ChrisC_ | I hope you all won't mind a slightly OT question: I'm starting to think about putting together a small form factor PC, and am wondering what other MAJOR vendors are out there besides Shuttle? "Major" = "more likely to for me to get it to work in Linux" being the shaky relevance to this forum. |
| 03:27.58 | peterS | deadcat: interesting. they're so proud of how much better help they give than #debian does. guess it's not always true |
| 03:28.02 | pipeline | deadcat: Part of the problem is that they're not capable of helpign you. |
| 03:28.03 | codewarrior2 | like they claim the files to be shared when the computer is off |
| 03:28.06 | codewarrior2 | its like wtf? |
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| 03:28.14 | codewarrior2 | did they do ANY research? |
| 03:28.38 | codewarrior2 | they have like whole damn swarms of lackies at their disposal don't they? |
| 03:28.51 | locsmif | codewarrior2: it's the united states. |
| 03:28.58 | codewarrior2 | oh btw, I pressed some key combo on x-chat and lost the tabs at the bottom of my screen, how do I get them back ? |
| 03:29.03 | locsmif | europe is falling too |
| 03:29.04 | codewarrior2 | :) thanks locsmif |
| 03:29.06 | deadcat | pipeline: i guess. when i say never i mean NEVER. they better stop talking about installing fluxbox or something.. those pricks.. atleast slackware helps. after like 10mins |
| 03:30.07 | locsmif | codewarrior2: I feel like living in an ungoverned area. (maybe siberia even). |
| 03:30.10 | codewarrior2 | FOURTY-SIX AG's signed it! |
| 03:30.12 | codewarrior2 | jesus christ |
| 03:30.22 | Fluten | does debian need more than 8MB of memory to install |
| 03:30.35 | Whirl256 | ok, back to what the real problem was...whenever i try to open a new terminal window, fluxbox closes it immediately...any suggestions? |
| 03:30.37 | Fluten | it says "Kernel panic: Out of memory and no killable processes..." |
| 03:31.05 | pipeline | codewarrior2: alt C, I think |
| 03:31.12 | pipeline | codebreaker: ctrl C, never mind. |
| 03:31.17 | pipeline | doh. |
| 03:31.18 | locsmif | codewarrior2: is it FUD or can it be legally substanciated |
| 03:31.21 | codewarrior2 | nope |
| 03:31.22 | g4lt | Fluten 640K ought to be enough for anyone ;P |
| 03:31.23 | codewarrior2 | neither worked |
| 03:31.33 | Phated | g4lt: :) |
| 03:31.36 | pipeline | Control C does it for me in Xchat 2.0.10 |
| 03:31.39 | codewarrior2 | it was some arrow keys I think |
| 03:31.56 | greycat | Whirl256: how did you start X? |
| 03:31.58 | pipeline | Perhaps you're using rctrl instead of lctrl |
| 03:32.10 | codewarrior2 | huh |
| 03:32.10 | locsmif | codewarrior2: I'm guessing it's FUD though. |
| 03:32.12 | Whirl256 | greycat, this time it started with xdm |
| 03:32.18 | Whirl256 | but usually, startx -- -nolisten tcp |
| 03:32.21 | greycat | Whirl256: then look for errors in ~/.xsession-errors |
| 03:32.24 | codewarrior2 | locsmif, I don't understand what you're saying |
| 03:32.26 | MerlinCorey | wow... |
| 03:32.30 | MerlinCorey | 2 days to compile stuff... |
| 03:32.34 | MerlinCorey | I'm cool... |
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| 03:32.38 | codewarrior2 | only 2? |
| 03:32.39 | greycat | Whirl256: if you have to Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a working shell prompt, so be it :) |
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| 03:32.44 | codewarrior2 | <--- runs gentoo :) |
| 03:32.44 | locsmif | Fear Uncertainty and Doubt |
| 03:32.46 | Dark-Angel6667 | hola |
| 03:32.50 | Whirl256 | (i can't even ssh into my box...i upgraded debian yesterday while i was compiling my kernel) |
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| 03:32.54 | locsmif | !fud |
| 03:32.54 | dpkg | i heard fud is Fear, uncertainty, doubt. Originally invented by IBM, but now used by many others. or YAFA. or Fscking Useless Data or otherwise known as false information or mindless facts with no backup facts or http://www.winntmag.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7420 |
| 03:32.59 | scarynetworkguy | Whirl256: apt-get install ssh |
| 03:33.13 | Whirl256 | greycat, the funny thing is that terminal windows work with the old kernel (and ssh as well) |
| 03:33.15 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ping |
| 03:33.20 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: hey |
| 03:33.28 | greycat | Whirl256: sounds like left out PTY support |
| 03:33.31 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: pong |
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| 03:33.33 | codewarrior2 | the only thing is 46 AGs signed |
| 03:33.35 | greycat | or PTS or whatever they're using this year |
| 03:33.38 | codewarrior2 | thats a lot out of 50 |
| 03:33.41 | scarynetworkguy | how did chem go? |
| 03:33.44 | codewarrior2 | 92% of them |
| 03:33.52 | Whirl256 | greycat, where is that, more or less? |
| 03:33.53 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Excellently, APN. |
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| 03:34.02 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: congrats |
| 03:34.08 | toothpick | What do I do to configure SDL? I want to see graphics |
| 03:34.15 | locsmif | codewarrior2: I'm european, what are AG's ? |
| 03:34.25 | codewarrior2 | attorney generals I think |
| 03:34.30 | Fluten | g4lt, i hope it likes 32MB better :P |
| 03:34.33 | codewarrior2 | something like that |
| 03:34.35 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yep. Heading out for a couple of talks in a couple hours' time too. :) |
| 03:34.41 | Fluten | g4lt, and you sound an awful lot like bill gates |
| 03:34.50 | greycat | Whirl256: grep PTY /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 03:34.51 | Whirl256 | greycat, and would it affect mingetty, and respawning? |
| 03:34.52 | deadcat | anyone using the pwcx module with 2.6.7 kernel? |
| 03:34.56 | Phated | Fluten: Blasphemy! Non should utter that name here. |
| 03:34.59 | Fluten | g4lt, i never knew he ran linux, maybe he's irc'ing from one of his hotmail servers he forgot to convert |
| 03:35.09 | Fluten | Phated, am i to be packeted to death now? |
| 03:35.10 | greycat | Whirl256: getty not respawning in sarge/sid is a known bug. |
| 03:35.13 | g4lt | Fluten except >I< am a sarcastic SOB |
| 03:35.15 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: very cool. What on? |
| 03:35.17 | Phated | Fluten: No, no. |
| 03:35.25 | Whirl256 | greycat, i wish i had known that last night... |
| 03:35.43 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Chemistry. :D One talk on what a chemist does, and another on polymers, which we just finished studying in school. :) |
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| 03:35.50 | locsmif | "The internet is not important" |
| 03:36.07 | toothpick | I get no available video device when I try to run an sdl game. |
| 03:36.10 | greycat | Whirl256: bugs.debian.org/util-linux |
| 03:36.34 | codewarrior2 | except as an AMAZING connection of information |
| 03:36.37 | codewarrior2 | like this room |
| 03:36.39 | greycat | locsmif: you're right! that internet thing is nothing but trouble! I'll stick to AOL!!1! |
| 03:36.42 | codewarrior2 | we have 615 members |
| 03:36.43 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh, it is, but it's fun anyway. :) |
| 03:36.45 | codewarrior2 | a few are bots |
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| 03:36.51 | codewarrior2 | recording these converstations |
| 03:36.57 | codewarrior2 | to store on servers elsewhere |
| 03:37.10 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: true very true :) |
| 03:37.10 | codewarrior2 | where the conversations will stay, recorded for history to unravel |
| 03:37.14 | codewarrior2 | while other things |
| 03:37.19 | codewarrior2 | like questions |
| 03:37.20 | codewarrior2 | of people |
| 03:37.23 | Phated | codewarrior2: You knnow, your keyboard somes with this thing called a comma key. ;) |
| 03:37.25 | greycat | codewarrior2: hit Enter less often please. |
| 03:37.26 | codewarrior2 | thousands of miles appart |
| 03:37.27 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeppers. :) |
| 03:37.32 | scarynetworkguy | !tell codewarrior2 about enter |
| 03:37.53 | Whirl256 | greycat, config_unix98_ptys=y |
| 03:37.58 | codewarrior2 | can communicate almost instantly, sometimes giving helpful advice on punctuation, as well as billions of other possibilities |
| 03:38.05 | Whirl256 | config_legacy_ptys=y |
| 03:38.18 | Whirl256 | config_legacy_pty_count=256 |
| 03:38.20 | greycat | Whirl256: legacy_ptys? hmm... smells like 2.6 |
| 03:38.29 | codewarrior2 | and they cannot grasp this because, for them, they are too old. It is too much change for them, and too late(they believe) for them to take it. |
| 03:38.30 | Whirl256 | 2.6.7 |
| 03:38.34 | greycat | Whirl256: I use 2.4 |
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| 03:38.35 | codewarrior2 | So, they fight it |
| 03:38.35 | locsmif | codewarrior, nice monologue, but it's almost psychotic ;) |
| 03:38.42 | Phated | codewarrior2: What the hell are you spewing off now? :) |
| 03:38.47 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :) |
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| 03:38.48 | codewarrior2 | musing |
| 03:38.51 | codewarrior2 | s |
| 03:38.54 | codewarrior2 | as always |
| 03:38.55 | Phated | locsmif: Needs a pinch of credibility. :) |
| 03:38.56 | greycat | Phated: some crap US politicians are doing |
| 03:38.57 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 03:39.03 | codewarrior2 | yeah |
| 03:39.08 | greycat | Phated: http://news.com.com/State+AGs+warn+file-sharing+companies/2100-1032_3-5298413.html |
| 03:39.09 | Phated | greycat: WTF are the politicians up to -now-? |
| 03:39.10 | codewarrior2 | basically what greycat is saying |
| 03:39.14 | Phated | greycat: Thanks. :) |
| 03:39.23 | Whirl256 | greycat, what next? |
| 03:39.32 | greycat | Whirl256: ask someone else who uses 2.6 |
| 03:39.40 | azurewraith | the politicians are "turning the corner" lol |
| 03:39.50 | Whirl256 | ok, well thanks anyhow, greycat (: |
| 03:39.53 | locsmif | I think corrupt politics and repression is timeless/ageless |
| 03:40.00 | Phated | Oh, no...! No more napster! :D |
| 03:40.09 | locsmif | is=are |
| 03:40.20 | Phated | locsmif: s/timeless\/ageless/eternal/ :) |
| 03:40.23 | codewarrior2 | another saddining thing as that they have almost eliminated the public domain in many cases, and in quite a few, have eliminated without even knowing what the fck they were doing |
| 03:40.35 | Phated | greycat: Exactly. WTF are p2p companies anyway? |
| 03:40.44 | locsmif | Phated: so true :) |
| 03:41.05 | greycat | Phated: I guess it's something that windows users use. Like kazaa. |
| 03:41.05 | codewarrior2 | greycat, they believe your p2p software shares your files while your computer is off |
| 03:41.05 | codewarrior2 | :) |
| 03:41.07 | Phated | locsmif: :) |
| 03:41.13 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *gasp* |
| 03:41.15 | greycat | codewarrior2: saw that. |
| 03:41.26 | codewarrior2 | what about a dick? is that a filesharing tool? |
| 03:41.36 | scarynetworkguy | hehe |
| 03:41.36 | Phated | codewarrior2: sperm != file |
| 03:41.39 | codewarrior2 | filesharing of a different kind, but data none the less |
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| 03:41.50 | Phated | codewarrior2: You're -right-! DNA! |
| 03:41.59 | locsmif | well, the way it is going, how long before all of #debian leave their keyboard to fight for freedom in the streets of the western 'democracies' |
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| 03:42.13 | codewarrior2 | its a different base, but you can still make the sequence a number |
| 03:42.23 | Phated | but* |
| 03:42.30 | codewarrior2 | sorry? be not sorry |
| 03:42.34 | codewarrior2 | I didn't elect them |
| 03:42.39 | Phated | highly* See, I'm so annoyed I can't even spell. :) |
| 03:42.51 | greycat | codewarrior2: actually, the strangest part of that article is this: "more prevalent on peer-to-peer networks than elsewhere on the Internet" -- the Internet *is* a giant peer-to-peer network, isn't it? |
| 03:42.57 | JimButton | AGs? |
| 03:42.59 | codewarrior2 | but I will do my service to try to pass on issues I find important |
| 03:43.15 | Phated | "allowing unrestrained trade" <-- Isn't that the whole point of capitalism? :) |
| 03:43.20 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: you think your disgusted by them? Try being taught the heritage that the founding fathers left you your whole life. Buying into the whole thing. And then having them try to throw the whole deal away on you. |
| 03:43.22 | pipeline | No. |
| 03:43.25 | codewarrior2 | p2p = point to point if im not mistaken |
| 03:43.26 | The_Vulture | greycat: even if it is, the term has a more specific meaning these days |
| 03:43.27 | greycat | Phated: capitalism doesn't mean what it used to. |
| 03:43.28 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Tsk. |
| 03:43.29 | JimButton | Phated: no, that is propaganda |
| 03:43.33 | pipeline | Phated: Do you know what capitalism means? |
| 03:43.39 | codewarrior2 | and calling you a consumer! |
| 03:43.40 | Phated | codewarrior2: Peer to peer. |
| 03:43.54 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: why do I get a "tsk"? |
| 03:43.55 | greycat | Phated: capitalism used to be about the private ownership of capital. Now it's "corporatism", the ability of corporations to persuade the government to help them stamp out competitors. |
| 03:43.57 | codewarrior2 | its not real capitalism now |
| 03:43.58 | Phated | pipeline: Right, not capitalism... Free trade, then. |
| 03:44.06 | codewarrior2 | we have lobbying IN FAVOR of the big corps |
| 03:44.09 | codewarrior2 | not breaking them |
| 03:44.11 | tcsetattr | greycat, when your corporate campaign sponsors ask you to threaten some less-rich companies and citizens, you don't let factual errors get in the way |
| 03:44.13 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: A tsk of sympathy and pity. :) |
| 03:44.13 | codewarrior2 | growing them |
| 03:44.24 | pipeline | The growth of the corporate state has little to do with capitalism :P |
| 03:44.24 | locsmif | greycat, sharp observation |
| 03:44.25 | JimButton | now that i want to check my orkut account after several months, they seem to have changed my password and the "password reset" thing always times out |
| 03:44.29 | codewarrior2 | not lassiez-faire, but the complete opposite |
| 03:44.31 | Phated | codewarrior2: A consumer! Well, I never! :) |
| 03:44.33 | JimButton | fuck |
| 03:44.37 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: got it. :) |
| 03:44.43 | pipeline | codewarrior2: yes, it's called the "statist" econom |
| 03:44.47 | greycat | and once again we've managed to get politics into #debian.. |
| 03:44.49 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 03:44.57 | pipeline | codewarrior2: Without extensive government intervention, it would grind to a halt. |
| 03:44.57 | tcsetattr | greycat, that's also the definition of "fascism" coincidentally... |
| 03:44.59 | codewarrior2 | pipeline, satist? would you explain please? |
| 03:45.00 | Phated | greycat: 'Tis inescapable. :) |
| 03:45.01 | locsmif | !stop politics |
| 03:45.05 | JimButton | greycat: let's talk about debian-women... |
| 03:45.14 | Phated | locsmif: See, even dpkg likes politics. |
| 03:45.21 | Phated | JimButton: Don't go there. :) |
| 03:45.22 | JimButton | the bible says that women should shut up... |
| 03:45.24 | locsmif | Phated: I give up ;) |
| 03:45.28 | JimButton | Phated: heh |
| 03:45.30 | Phated | locsmif: *grin* |
| 03:45.30 | greycat | JimButton: no. |
| 03:45.32 | Phated | JimButton: :) |
| 03:45.40 | locsmif | !start politics |
| 03:45.45 | JimButton | greycat: paulus says something to that effect in one of his letters |
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| 03:45.49 | greycat | /etc/init.d/politics restart |
| 03:45.55 | codewarrior2 | yeah |
| 03:46.00 | Nurbs | dpkg -P religion >:] |
| 03:46.00 | dpkg | Nurbs: i haven't a clue |
| 03:46.01 | codewarrior2 | I was working on the script earlier |
| 03:46.05 | Phated | locsmif: Apparently, dpkg is neutral re politics. :) |
| 03:46.07 | The_Vulture | apt-get remove politics |
| 03:46.08 | greycat | JimButton: no. as in "do not talk about that sort of thing here." |
| 03:46.08 | codewarrior2 | seemed to get it going though :) |
| 03:46.09 | Whirl256 | JimButton, who believes the Bible anyway? |
| 03:46.14 | codewarrior2 | The_Vulture, why? |
| 03:46.15 | JimButton | greycat: oh, yeah :) |
| 03:46.23 | JimButton | Whirl256: shockingly many people |
| 03:46.33 | locsmif | Phated: I think dpkg has been hacked by the republicans |
| 03:46.37 | Phated | Oh, man! Imposing regulations on networks and technology? Why, whatever shall I do? |
| 03:46.41 | Phated | locsmif: Hah. :) |
| 03:46.42 | Whirl256 | JimButton, I would say "unfortunately", but greycat is right, we're offtopic (: |
| 03:46.45 | codewarrior2 | religion I find too confrontational for a good discussion |
| 03:46.53 | Phated | Whirl256: They're called Christians. :) |
| 03:46.58 | Phated | codewarrior2: Too much so. |
| 03:46.59 | The_Vulture | codewarrior2: because political discussions are just annoying noise (well unless someone goes to a place designed for the purpose, like #politics) |
| 03:46.59 | tcsetattr | !right-wing conspiracy |
| 03:47.03 | codewarrior2 | but technological politics I feel we usually have a fairly even view on |
| 03:47.15 | pipeline | Phated: Actually, biblical inerrancy is not a base tenet of many, many christian groups. Don't lump people together :P |
| 03:47.17 | codewarrior2 | those places are always empty |
| 03:47.22 | Whirl256 | codewarrior2, religion is listed alongside "sex" and "politics" as bad topics of conversation at the dinner table |
| 03:47.22 | codewarrior2 | full of idle-bots |
| 03:47.23 | Phated | codewarrior2: Because technological politics goes against almost everything Debian stands for. :) |
| 03:47.25 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Use strong crypto. :) |
| 03:47.26 | Phated | pipeline: My bad. :) |
| 03:47.37 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Isn't that illegal there? ;) |
| 03:47.38 | pipeline | Whirl256: #debian conversation is always stomach-turning. |
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| 03:47.52 | codewarrior2 | Use protection. Every Time. Ssh :) |
| 03:47.55 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: not quite yet |
| 03:47.58 | JimButton | pipeline: the "women shut up" part extended well beyond the lunatics who claimed that the bible is literally true :) |
| 03:47.58 | Phated | pipeline: Or highly inspirational, depends on your definition. ;) |
| 03:48.04 | The_Vulture | Whirl256: sex is a great topic, that I can deal with, politics and religion are just annoying |
| 03:48.05 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Meh, it'll soon be, mark my words. |
| 03:48.08 | codewarrior2 | whoa whoa Jim |
| 03:48.20 | Phated | codewarrior2: Sadly, 'tis true. |
| 03:48.32 | Whirl256 | JimButton, you're just trying to start a rant (pss there are women here you might be offending ;P) |
| 03:48.33 | codewarrior2 | maybe so but to word it that way is confrontational |
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| 03:48.38 | pipeline | JimButton: If you're talking about the Southern Baptist church, that's actually one of the ones that believes that. That's one of the few tenets of the church that doesn't vary congregation to congregation. |
| 03:48.43 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: then I guess I'll be a criminal. :( |
| 03:48.45 | greycat | Whirl256: there are *men* here he's offending, too. |
| 03:48.50 | locsmif | The_Vulture: you are a born politician |
| 03:48.52 | codewarrior2 | see pipeline was much less confrontational |
| 03:48.53 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Good for you. :) |
| 03:48.54 | JimButton | Whirl256: i did not mean to offend women, i wanted to offend christians :) |
| 03:48.55 | Whirl256 | thank you, greycat (: |
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| 03:49.05 | greycat | JimButton: enough. |
| 03:49.11 | scarynetworkguy | JimButton: maybe you should just stop while your behind |
| 03:49.12 | codewarrior2 | sex doesn't sell unless you bundle it as something else |
| 03:49.14 | The_Vulture | locsmif: how so? |
| 03:49.17 | codewarrior2 | otherwise its too "taboo" |
| 03:49.18 | JimButton | ok, sorry folks |
| 03:49.21 | Whirl256 | (i was just about to retort, but never mind (: ) |
| 03:49.26 | codewarrior2 | or going against the social grain if you will |
| 03:49.30 | pipeline | some day, sex will come in cereal boxes. |
| 03:49.31 | The_Vulture | codewarrior2: I think a lot of people would disagree with that.. |
| 03:49.31 | locsmif | The_Vulture: you could be the next clinton :) |
| 03:49.39 | Phated | pipeline: Oh happy day! |
| 03:49.42 | The_Vulture | locsmif: unlikely, I'm not American.. |
| 03:49.43 | codewarrior2 | The_Vulture, whyso? |
| 03:49.46 | greycat | pipeline: that would have to be a really big bnox. |
| 03:49.48 | greycat | s/bn/b/ |
| 03:49.59 | codewarrior2 | lol |
| 03:50.09 | codewarrior2 | yeah |
| 03:50.27 | codewarrior2 | some of us would need industrial sized boxes if you know what I mean ;) |
| 03:50.28 | The_Vulture | if by 'clinton' you mean a head of state that gets sex in their place of government, maybe.. not sure the Govenor General of Australia has quite as much sex appeal as President Of the USA |
| 03:50.39 | Phated | codewarrior2: It's to fit your ego in. ;) |
| 03:50.43 | codewarrior2 | oooo President |
| 03:50.51 | scarynetworkguy | 1 point for Phated |
| 03:50.53 | locsmif | At least clinton got his. You can tell Bush is a wanker. |
| 03:50.53 | g4lt | pipeline you WOULD say sex is going to come in something I don't buy.... ;P |
| 03:50.54 | codewarrior2 | that just seems...sexy.. doesn't it? |
| 03:50.59 | codewarrior2 | not really IMO |
| 03:51.19 | pipeline | g4lt: Well, you'll start, won't you? |
| 03:51.19 | The_Vulture | codewarrior2: there's the whole person in power thing |
| 03:51.22 | codewarrior2 | sex doesn't "Come" |
| 03:51.22 | Phated | g4lt: Sex will one day come in .debs. ;) |
| 03:51.25 | codewarrior2 | you be a man |
| 03:51.27 | codewarrior2 | go out there |
| 03:51.30 | codewarrior2 | a get your picking |
| 03:51.31 | The_Vulture | I think at least some chicks dig that.. I'm hypothesising here |
| 03:51.35 | scarynetworkguy | JimButton: hard to get sarcasm in plain text. Best just to not go there |
| 03:51.50 | Phated | The_Vulture: As a "chick", I don't dig that. :) |
| 03:51.55 | codewarrior2 | sarcasm tags |
| 03:51.58 | scarynetworkguy | !tell codewarrior2 about enter |
| 03:51.58 | locsmif | JimButton: Use lots of complex emoticons |
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| 03:52.03 | The_Vulture | Phated: _some_ :) |
| 03:52.05 | codewarrior2 | he said some |
| 03:52.06 | Whirl256 | i must say (trying to change the topic here) kernel compiling in debian is a helluva a lot more fun than in slackware |
| 03:52.08 | codewarrior2 | you just aren't one |
| 03:52.09 | Phated | The_Vulture: :) |
| 03:52.12 | t-jack | come c'est clochard en englais, sil vous plait? |
| 03:52.17 | The_Vulture | some empty headed animal food trough woppers.. |
| 03:52.19 | The_Vulture | or some such |
| 03:52.19 | codewarrior2 | huh? |
| 03:52.28 | JimButton | locsmif: i'll just stick to technical discussions or talking to helix :) |
| 03:52.28 | Phated | The_Vulture: Probably, yeah. :) |
| 03:52.35 | codewarrior2 | btw, how DO I get those tabs back? |
| 03:52.37 | codewarrior2 | it just doesn' |
| 03:52.44 | codewarrior2 | t seem the same without them |
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| 03:52.55 | Phated | Whirl256: Obviously, attempt failed. ;) |
| 03:53.01 | locsmif | t-jack, you are talking shit in french ;) |
| 03:53.02 | codewarrior2 | or with them... whatever I've confused myself |
| 03:53.10 | Whirl256 | eheh Phated... |
| 03:53.17 | codewarrior2 | Whirl256, your topic is boring |
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| 03:53.24 | locsmif | t-jack: homeless person |
| 03:53.27 | codewarrior2 | everyone knows that gentoo is where compilation is at |
| 03:53.30 | codewarrior2 | :) |
| 03:53.33 | Whirl256 | yeah. i know...i'm so kernel-compiling-happy ;P |
| 03:53.49 | Whirl256 | (with deb, i mean...i have no patience (yet) with gentoo) |
| 03:53.50 | The_Vulture | Whirl256: you just have to turn this in to a holy war then subtly invoke Godwin's Law |
| 03:53.58 | codewarrior2 | you like compiling things? you sound like a true-blue gentooer to me |
| 03:54.00 | Phated | codewarrior2: Gentoo is -all- compiling, what do you mean where it's at? It's bloody made up of compiling, AFAIK. |
| 03:54.09 | scarynetworkguy | or not so subtly |
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| 03:54.10 | codewarrior2 | :) |
| 03:54.16 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy: indeed |
| 03:54.17 | codewarrior2 | and merging |
| 03:54.22 | azurewraith | okay, how bout some debian here :) what's my first indication that my NVIDIA driver installation has been sucessful? |
| 03:54.22 | Phated | Aye. |
| 03:54.22 | toast0 | anyone have any clue why epiphany-browser (from unstable) would stop saving cookies? |
| 03:54.30 | Phated | azurewraith: X works. ;) |
| 03:54.31 | codewarrior2 | is scarynetworkguy our narrator for today? |
| 03:54.32 | Whirl256 | The_Vulture, looks like it might have worked without going there (-; |
| 03:54.34 | mwilson | azurewraith: That it works? |
| 03:54.37 | The_Vulture | what Phated said |
| 03:54.42 | locsmif | azurewraith, pixels |
| 03:54.44 | scarynetworkguy | everybody who talks about politics and/or gentoo is a nazi and loves Hitler |
| 03:54.49 | scarynetworkguy | there conversation done |
| 03:54.54 | Phated | codewarrior2: No, he's the interjector. Not to be confused with ejaculator. ;) |
| 03:54.55 | mwilson | toast0: It's epiphany, what do you expect? |
| 03:54.56 | Whirl256 | gotta love your logic there, scarynetworkguy lol |
| 03:54.58 | azurewraith | riight, but i'm running nv right now |
| 03:55.03 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Bah. Heil Hitler! |
| 03:55.04 | The_Vulture | scarynetworkguy: hehe, worth a try :) |
| 03:55.05 | azurewraith | so of course its going to work |
| 03:55.09 | codewarrior2 | toast0, I don't know but after emerging the new firefox I've been having issues with it and gmail |
| 03:55.13 | locsmif | scarynetworkguy: I love the way you throw in gentoo ;) |
| 03:55.14 | The_Vulture | azurewraith: then you haven't followed the instructions in the README |
| 03:55.20 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: do you know Goodwin's law? |
| 03:55.21 | tcsetattr | yes, let's talk about db_appinit and whether you're suppsoed to give it the DB_CREATE flag even when you're not creating a new environment |
| 03:55.25 | codewarrior2 | Phated, he's the ejaculator? I knew someone had to finish |
| 03:55.25 | The_Vulture | it tells you what to change in your XFree86-Config |
| 03:55.26 | codewarrior2 | ;) |
| 03:55.32 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Nope. Feel free to recite. |
| 03:55.34 | mwilson | azurewraith: And the reason you didn't follow the instructions? |
| 03:55.36 | toast0 | mwilson: a browser that fits in with the rest of my windows? :) |
| 03:55.41 | Phated | codewarrior2: No, no, he -isn't- the ejaculator. |
| 03:55.53 | The_Vulture | http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ |
| 03:55.58 | Phated | OK> |
| 03:55.59 | Phated | . |
| 03:56.04 | azurewraith | this was a lot easier in slackware |
| 03:56.05 | codewarrior2 | Phated, whats with all this talk of ejaculation? You see to be a bit obsessed with it. |
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| 03:56.14 | codewarrior2 | Maybe you need to visit a linux conference or something |
| 03:56.15 | Phated | codewarrior2: No, no, just like making bad jokes. :) |
| 03:56.16 | mwilson | azurewraith: Then run Snacky. |
| 03:56.25 | Phated | codewarrior2: Bah, no Linux Con here. :( |
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| 03:56.33 | mwilson | azurewraith: Surely you don't think it matters to anyone what distribution you run? |
| 03:56.35 | codewarrior2 | Phated, uh huh...... Suuuuurrrreee... to the first |
| 03:56.43 | codewarrior2 | Phated, start one to the second |
| 03:56.46 | Phated | codewarrior2: :) |
| 03:56.50 | t-jack | locsmif: It's only that I found a French Disney movie translation called Le Belle Et Le Clochard... And figured it was The Lady And The Tramp... |
| 03:56.50 | locsmif | I wonder how the topic in #debian is influenced by casual comments .......... ;) |
| 03:56.59 | azurewraith | mwilson: slackware has other grievious annoyances... i guess all of linux just balances each other out |
| 03:57.10 | Phated | locsmif: It's completely destroyed, that's how. :) |
| 03:57.20 | codewarrior2 | locsmif, casual or not I seem to have shaped it and brought the room to life |
| 03:57.25 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Phated http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Godwin's Law |
| 03:57.37 | locsmif | t-jack: the tramp ;) that's kind of odd, that's not in my book |
| 03:57.43 | The_Vulture | codewarrior2: no you haven't it's all smoke and mirrors |
| 03:57.54 | codewarrior2 | Word not found in the Dictionary. Did you mean: |
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| 03:57.56 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Got it. I understand. :) |
| 03:58.01 | locsmif | I say somebody with a bottle of wine, homeless and sleeping under a bridge. |
| 03:58.05 | codewarrior2 | The_Vulture, I think you may be hallucinating now |
| 03:58.13 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: thus my attempt to just end the pain. :) |
| 03:58.15 | The_Vulture | codewarrior2: maybe :) |
| 03:58.26 | codewarrior2 | wine's too weak |
| 03:58.41 | codewarrior2 | whiskey |
| 03:58.43 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) I get it ow. |
| 03:58.45 | codewarrior2 | maybe |
| 03:58.54 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: but clearly it did not work |
| 03:58.56 | locsmif | t-jack: unless clochard has multiple meanings. |
| 03:59.00 | Phated | Errr, s/ow/now/ <-- oddly apt pun. :) |
| 03:59.04 | codewarrior2 | rum for our reminiscers |
| 03:59.26 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Awww. |
| 03:59.33 | codewarrior2 | awwww |
| 03:59.39 | codewarrior2 | 1...2...3.... |
| 03:59.43 | codewarrior2 | awwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 04:00.06 | Phated | s/bunnies/unbrella-bearing bunnies/ |
| 04:00.08 | guestish | got milk? |
| 04:00.12 | codewarrior2 | yeah |
| 04:00.13 | codewarrior2 | a bunch |
| 04:00.21 | codewarrior2 | but its not for sharing ;) |
| 04:00.23 | Phated | s/chocolate bunnies/poisoned chocolate bunnies/ |
| 04:00.26 | codewarrior2 | not with you at least |
| 04:00.34 | scarynetworkguy | must. not. flame. must. resist. |
| 04:00.35 | codewarrior2 | Phated, you will have to try harder |
| 04:00.40 | guestish | heh |
| 04:00.40 | Phated | codewarrior2: OK... |
| 04:00.42 | codewarrior2 | scarynetworkguy, just let go |
| 04:00.44 | guestish | ~got milk? |
| 04:00.45 | apt | ACTION chugs down a carton |
| 04:00.49 | codewarrior2 | breathe..... and go |
| 04:00.51 | guestish | thats cool, dpkg can talk to apt now |
| 04:00.54 | Phated | s/chocolate bunnies/poisoned Windows-disk-bearing chocolate bunnies/ |
| 04:00.55 | codewarrior2 | doesn't come in cartons apt |
| 04:01.07 | codewarrior2 | how could you say such a thing! |
| 04:01.14 | codewarrior2 | dieeeeeee |
| 04:01.19 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: excellent :) |
| 04:01.29 | codewarrior2 | <smell of plastic wafts through the air> |
| 04:01.41 | codewarrior2 | btw, AO-hell disks microwave quite nicely |
| 04:01.47 | Phated | codewarrior2: Only the disks die, and the disks are reformattable! |
| 04:01.51 | codewarrior2 | a well singed and crumpled look arrises |
| 04:01.54 | Phated | The bunnies always remain. :) |
| 04:01.57 | scarynetworkguy | Caelum: it's always a good time to watch Pitch Black. :) |
| 04:02.03 | codewarrior2 | I will eat them then |
| 04:02.14 | codewarrior2 | slowly to adapt to their posion |
| 04:02.16 | jcole | what ati drivers are recommended for use in debian? i have ati-agp.ko (kernel w/agpgart) and ati (xfree86) modules/drivers loaded... i have 'Load "dri"' under 'Section "Module"' in XF86Config-4 and still no 3d/opengl accelleration, any tips? |
| 04:02.19 | codewarrior2 | but eaten none-the-less |
| 04:02.33 | Phated | codewarrior2: The have been imbued with Windows code! No man can adapt to Windows code after using Debian! |
| 04:02.38 | Phated | They* |
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| 04:03.03 | codewarrior2 | I don't use debian :) |
| 04:03.03 | codewarrior2 | brb |
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| 04:03.11 | tcsetattr | ok, so it turns out that DB_RECOVER requires DB_CREATE. But without DB_RECOVER, the whole database environment becomes completely unusable after any process crashes, so I can't see why you'd ever want to not use DB_RECOVER |
| 04:03.11 | ansong | um, is gnome broken? |
| 04:03.12 | codewarrior2 | ok there |
| 04:03.12 | Phated | Bah. |
| 04:03.14 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: friendly word of advice.... |
| 04:03.17 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye? |
| 04:03.18 | codewarrior2 | got the tabs back too |
| 04:03.23 | Whirl256 | jcole, hang on, i'll check |
| 04:03.25 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: stop feeding the troll. :) |
| 04:03.28 | Caelum | Phated: this, is a bunny: http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0246578/Ss/0246578/DD05.jpg?path=gallery&path_key=0246578 |
| 04:03.28 | codewarrior2 | I am IMMUNE! |
| 04:03.30 | codewarrior2 | muaha |
| 04:03.34 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Awww, but it's fun. :) |
| 04:03.44 | codewarrior2 | feeding the trolls makes them big and furry and they conquer more bridges |
| 04:03.44 | Phated | Then again, so is reformatting... |
| 04:03.52 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I know. But not too much OK? |
| 04:03.58 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye, Grampy. |
| 04:04.03 | codewarrior2 | ahhh, a fresh reformat of a windows computer in the morning |
| 04:04.06 | codewarrior2 | soothes the soul |
| 04:04.17 | codewarrior2 | you can feel the evil leaving... the good coming |
| 04:04.23 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yes! |
| 04:04.24 | locsmif | !windows |
| 04:04.25 | dpkg | i heard windows is from memory, windows is a 32 bit shell on a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally designed for a 4 bit microprocessor, made by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition, or if it doesn't work there's this little button called "off" on your computer. praying helps too. es una mierda! :), or not on topic here, or see panic(3) |
| 04:04.25 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: thanks. :) |
| 04:04.32 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 04:04.57 | codewarrior2 | 0.o |
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| 04:05.30 | locsmif | man 3 panic |
| 04:05.30 | locsmif | No manual entry for panic in section 3 |
| 04:06.01 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: actually I'm a bit surprised there's no greycatsmite yet |
| 04:06.09 | Whirl256 | jcole, are you still here? |
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| 04:06.14 | locsmif | !smite greycat |
| 04:06.23 | Phated | Oooh, boils. |
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| 04:06.39 | jcole | Whirl256: ya |
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| 04:06.53 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: We do need one of those too. would you mind telling me the syntax. I can't remember |
| 04:06.56 | Whirl256 | jcole, do you have Mode 0666 under your "DRI" section? |
| 04:07.12 | ansong | i'm having some trouble getting into gnome on my laptop. i get the gdm login prompt, but after logging in the gdm screen goes away and nothing else happens. if i kill X and login at a console then run startx i get the crosshatched background and the little x for a mouse cursor. i've already logged into failsafe xterm and run apt-get update/upgrade. can someone give me something else to try? |
| 04:07.16 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: you can always scrape em |
| 04:07.18 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: dpkg, greycatsmite $1 is <action> something something to $1 |
| 04:07.27 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: thanks :) |
| 04:07.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeppers. :) |
| 04:07.45 | jcole | Whirl256: yep |
| 04:08.01 | Whirl256 | and under "Module" you mentioned you already have "dri"? |
| 04:08.08 | jcole | Whirl256: ya |
| 04:08.24 | deadcat | ^^ like a school girl |
| 04:08.26 | Phated | !boo scarynetworkguy |
| 04:08.32 | Phated | Damn. |
| 04:08.36 | scarynetworkguy | HA |
| 04:08.47 | Whirl256 | jcole, for Driver i have "ati" and option "UseFBDev" "true" |
| 04:09.03 | jcole | Whirl256: hmm, i'll check |
| 04:09.09 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Damnit, it's supposed to work... It worked on dpkg... /msg dpkg boo :) |
| 04:09.11 | Whirl256 | (under the heading "Section "Device"") |
| 04:09.32 | lordrazix | i have acpid running and working, the panel battery app in gnome works great. However, when Im running off the battery I tend to not work in x and just use the terminal to save juice. Is there a command or program to output the battery power % left from the terminal? |
| 04:09.35 | scarynetworkguy | dpkg, geezersmite is <action> gets on his Rascal and rides down to the park to yell at $1 |
| 04:09.35 | dpkg | okay, scarynetworkguy |
| 04:09.43 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: you missed the $1 |
| 04:09.48 | scarynetworkguy | !geezersmite phated |
| 04:09.57 | JoePenguin | lordrazix: i've always done "acpi -v" |
| 04:10.03 | greycat | dpkg, forget geezersmite |
| 04:10.03 | dpkg | i forgot geezersmite, greycat |
| 04:10.18 | greycat | dpkg, geezersmite $1 is <action> gets on his Rascal and rides down to the park to yell at $1 |
| 04:10.18 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 04:10.30 | lordrazix | JoePenguin: it's telling me "command not found", is there a package i need to install? |
| 04:10.36 | Phated | !geezersmite the geezer |
| 04:10.36 | JoePenguin | obviously |
| 04:10.42 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: I'm a moron thanks |
| 04:10.52 | lordrazix | JoePenguin: Well, what I mean is do you have the name of it? |
| 04:11.11 | JoePenguin | lordrazix: acpi |
| 04:11.15 | jcole | Whirl256: checking it now, brb... |
| 04:11.22 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :) |
| 04:11.26 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 04:11.30 | lordrazix | JoePenguin: heh, that's easy enough :) |
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| 04:12.00 | Whirl256 | wb jcole |
| 04:12.58 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: the tricky part is now that the factoid exists, you refer to it as "CMD: geezersmite (.*?)" |
| 04:13.00 | jcole | Whirl256: no success, can you paste your xf86config file in #debian-flood ? |
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| 04:13.12 | Whirl256 | sure, np |
| 04:13.14 | greycat | !literal CMD: geezersmite (.*?) |
| 04:13.14 | dpkg | CMD: geezersmite (.*?) is ($1): <action> gets on his Rascal and rides down to the park to yell at $1 |
| 04:13.25 | lordrazix | JoePenguin: acpi works great! Thanks so much for the heads up. |
| 04:13.28 | toothpick | I am trying to run fceultra with svga libs but get the error Cannot get I/O permissions... |
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| 04:13.35 | JoePenguin | lordrazix: glad i could help |
| 04:13.40 | Phated | greycat: How do I add a comma after $1 without a space? |
| 04:13.58 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: cool got it |
| 04:13.59 | greycat | Phated: in the trigger, or in the body? |
| 04:14.01 | ansong | anyone got info on my problem as per above? |
| 04:14.05 | Phated | greycat: Body. |
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| 04:14.25 | greycat | dpkg, phatedtest $1 is <action> raises a brow at $1, turning $1 to stone |
| 04:14.26 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 04:14.31 | greycat | !phatedtest scarynetworkguy |
| 04:14.43 | Phated | Meh. |
| 04:14.48 | greycat | nothing special on the body side :) |
| 04:14.50 | scarynetworkguy | pretty cool |
| 04:14.59 | Phated | greycat: How did you know I wanted them to turn to stone? :| |
| 04:15.03 | JoePenguin | ansong: maybe you don't have a window/session manager installed |
| 04:15.04 | tpk | damnit. fuck. i just spent two hours pulling my hair out over a stupid problem |
| 04:15.06 | greycat | that's why it was just a test |
| 04:15.10 | Phated | O.o |
| 04:15.15 | greycat | !forget CMD: phatedtest (.*?) |
| 04:15.15 | dpkg | i forgot CMD: phatedtest (.*?), greycat |
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| 04:15.46 | scarynetworkguy | now I just need to look up a good Kzinti refrence |
| 04:16.14 | Phated | !phatedsmite scarynetworkguy |
| 04:16.27 | Phated | Excellent. Gramatically correct smite. :) |
| 04:16.36 | greycat | there's no clean way to get pronoun antecedents straight |
| 04:16.43 | Phated | Truly. |
| 04:16.44 | ansong | JoePenguin: its been working for the better part of a year, two days ago i ran apt-get update/upgrade after the notebook being repaired for a couple weeks and shut down, today it won't get into gnome/metacity |
| 04:16.44 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: very good :) |
| 04:16.52 | tcsetattr | oh great, I got perl to seg fault just by playing with BerkeleyDB |
| 04:16.58 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Thank you. *bows* |
| 04:17.21 | Phated | Yay, done. :) |
| 04:17.26 | Segers_J | scarynetworkguy: ever read "the soft weapon" it's my favorite kzinti story. |
| 04:17.32 | mtnman | ~ |
| 04:17.42 | scarynetworkguy | Segers_J: yup |
| 04:18.02 | initech | scarynetworkguy: what is kzinti? |
| 04:18.15 | greycat | initech: an alien race in Larry Niven's stories |
| 04:18.20 | initech | i though that was some star trek shit |
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| 04:18.31 | Phated | Hey, hey! Star Trek is not "shit". |
| 04:18.35 | scarynetworkguy | initech: a large very aggresive Tigerlike alien |
| 04:18.36 | Segers_J | initech: sentient felines |
| 04:18.43 | Phated | Cool. :) |
| 04:18.45 | ansong | they're like an 8' tiger with ears like chinese fans |
| 04:18.54 | ansong | bloodthirsty too |
| 04:19.00 | initech | ? whe were those written? there's a star trek war game that has those in it |
| 04:19.08 | Whirl256 | jcole, all done |
| 04:19.08 | ansong | just re-read ringworld |
| 04:19.15 | JoePenguin | ansong: have you looked for info in /var/log/X*.log? |
| 04:19.35 | ansong | JoePenguin: i would be an idiot. brb |
| 04:19.53 | scarynetworkguy | initech: they are a creation of Larry Niven. Jerry Pournelle has done a shared universe thing. and yes there was a refrence to them in the 80's animated star trek thing. |
| 04:20.12 | scarynetworkguy | not that I spend too much time reading and/or thinking aobut sci fi or anything |
| 04:20.24 | greycat | you could do worse. |
| 04:20.30 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Right, that's why you have so many sci-fi books you haven't read. ;) |
| 04:20.34 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: much worse |
| 04:20.43 | initech | you could be reading some of the fantasy dreck that's out there |
| 04:20.58 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: no I have many that I will most likely never get to again. :) They have *all* been read and loved. |
| 04:21.14 | initech | but stanislav lem is the only sci fi writer i really like |
| 04:21.16 | Phated | Fantasy, when defined as nothing outside of Tolkien, is excellent. |
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| 04:21.19 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhhh. :) |
| 04:21.31 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: P.S., 4th ringworld book is much better than 3rd. Skimpy on details in the end, though. |
| 04:21.32 | ansong | hang on, my laptop went into screensaver, and when i get back i've got an xterm open. the rest of gnome (task/toolbars, desktop) hasn't appeared yet. still going to check /var/log/... |
| 04:21.36 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yea.. |
| 04:21.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: |
| 04:21.42 | Phated | :) |
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| 04:22.19 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: I told my one friend that I had heard it was good. He bought it and I guess was up till 2 last night with it. I'm going to bum it off him on Monday. I look forward to it. |
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| 04:22.53 | scarynetworkguy | so that makes two good reviews. After Scatterbrian I'm glad to hear good things about this one |
| 04:23.10 | greycat | I very rarely buy books. I usually wait 'til I find them in the public library. |
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| 04:23.18 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :D |
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| 04:23.27 | gargahmel | Could someone please point me to an article's reference about the incident with the Debian project servers last year? |
| 04:23.36 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: yup |
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| 04:23.54 | greycat | buying books could be a rather *expensive* habit... |
| 04:24.30 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: yes it can. Most of my collection are out of print from used bookstores. Going for new volumes could break the bank in no time |
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| 04:26.33 | scarynetworkguy | The library is *very* cool. |
| 04:26.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aye. |
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| 04:27.07 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: count yourself lucky if you have anything but the dreadful ORA book |
| 04:27.10 | tcsetattr | ok, since BerkeleyDB wasn't even good enough to survive the simple test program I wrote that doesn't even begin to use any of the interesting features... is there a lightweight transactional DB with perl interface that doesn't suck? |
| 04:27.16 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: ORA? |
| 04:27.22 | scarynetworkguy | !ora |
| 04:27.22 | dpkg | Praise be the name of O'Reilly and may all come to know its excellence |
| 04:27.39 | greycat | O'Reilly & Assoc. |
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| 04:27.55 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Techincal publishing company usually their stuff rocks but their Debian book was very bad |
| 04:27.55 | pipeline | Uh, berkeleydb is pretty cool. |
| 04:28.04 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ohh, not that, then. I got the Debian GNU/Linux for Dummies. I came with SLINK, damnit. |
| 04:28.05 | Segers_J | scarynetworkguy: check out "Armor" by john steakley it's a very good "starship troopers" kind of thing. |
| 04:28.08 | Phated | it* |
| 04:28.12 | dessaix|zz | hello whats the command to see the kernel ver |
| 04:28.16 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh, yes, I know the name. |
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| 04:28.22 | Phated | dessaix|zz: uname -r |
| 04:28.26 | dessaix|zz | ty |
| 04:28.26 | scarynetworkguy | Segers_J: btdt decades ago |
| 04:28.46 | franst | anyone can help me setting printer here? |
| 04:29.00 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: good very good |
| 04:29.11 | tcsetattr | I wrote a minimal test script that starts a transaction and then dies. I wanted to see it actually do the right thing and roll back the transaction on the next access. It did a lot of interesting things, but none of them have been right |
| 04:29.16 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: whatever you do, *do not* read "Forever Free" by Haldeman. You will want to hunt him down and kill him. |
| 04:29.18 | scarynetworkguy | franst: what kind of printer |
| 04:29.32 | ansong | franst, have you checked out http://linuxprinting.org? (very excellent site) |
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| 04:29.43 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: it was everything I could do to keep from doing that. and after "Forever War" was so good |
| 04:29.48 | initech | franst: what sort of printer, what print system? |
| 04:30.10 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 04:30.11 | tcsetattr | not to mention that huge chunks of the BerkeleyDB.pm documentation are "TODO". |
| 04:30.19 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yuppers |
| 04:30.32 | Segers_J | scarynetworkguy: I started it one night, finished it at 9 am, told the girl who recommended it that the lack of a warning that it was going to be impossible to put down was not nice. ;) |
| 04:30.35 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Though if you're referring to Debian for Dummies though... That sucked. :) |
| 04:30.39 | franst | ansong: i have follow all from linuxprinting, and my lj1000 work |
| 04:30.40 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: "Forever Peace" also sucked |
| 04:30.42 | franst | but still cannot print |
| 04:30.48 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: most of those do. :) |
| 04:30.49 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: I thought "Forever Peace" was ok |
| 04:31.01 | initech | franst: an HP 1000? |
| 04:31.15 | franst | initech: I use HP LaserJEt1000, and I success cat the firmware |
| 04:31.24 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Truly. :| It recommended GNOME, FFS. *shudders* |
| 04:31.24 | initech | franst: doesn't that one need a rom to go with the ppd? |
| 04:31.25 | ansong | JoePenguin: aside from some unresolved symbols in synaptics.o and glcore.o and a font path that doesn't appear to exist, it seems fine |
| 04:31.36 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: that crosses the line into evil |
| 04:31.48 | initech | franst: dunno, I've heard nothing but horror stories about those |
| 04:32.00 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Exactly. Debian and GNOME are like oil and water... A huge mess and not very tasty. |
| 04:32.03 | franst | what kind of horror? |
| 04:32.07 | franst | hp laserjet1000??? |
| 04:32.20 | initech | franst: as in "will not work" |
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| 04:32.25 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: do yOu like David Drake? |
| 04:32.37 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: don't think I've read any |
| 04:32.37 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yea I've never like Gnome |
| 04:33.03 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Me neither, even when it was between GNOME and KDE (RH), I went with KDE. The footprint is just too much.\ |
| 04:33.10 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: from the same generation as Haldeman. Vietnam in space sort of stuff. Very good if you like military SF |
| 04:33.12 | initech | i love KDE |
| 04:33.30 | initech | never cared much for gnome |
| 04:33.32 | Phated | initech: It's only merit, now that I've used XFCE4, is that it's better than GNOME. :) |
| 04:33.33 | ansong | i hate KDE. stupid bouncing icons... |
| 04:33.43 | initech | Phated: yeah xfce is also very nice |
| 04:33.44 | BlackJudas | Is there a gnome/gtk app to view/traverse man pages? |
| 04:33.50 | scarynetworkguy | and of course Niven, Pournelle |
| 04:33.54 | Whirl256 | fluxbox is great |
| 04:33.56 | initech | ansong: you can turn that stupid shit off you know |
| 04:34.03 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yea even on my box at work it kind of drags |
| 04:34.05 | Phated | initech: XFCE4. The one without the 4 was a litlle iffy, AFAIK. :) |
| 04:34.12 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yeah, imagine it on mine. :( |
| 04:34.23 | initech | Phated: i liked xfce3 as well |
| 04:34.23 | ansong | scarynetworkguy: vernor vinge is great too |
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| 04:34.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I shudder at the thought |
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| 04:34.32 | initech | xfce is like cde done right |
| 04:34.34 | Phated | initech: Never used it, I was RH at the time, I think. :) |
| 04:34.36 | franst | so, what should I do to make My HPLJ 1000 work in linux? |
| 04:34.39 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yep. |
| 04:34.46 | scarynetworkguy | ansong: I've heard that. I'm going to have try something by him. |
| 04:34.50 | ansong | 'course gnome isn't flipping working so... |
| 04:34.55 | Phated | YAY! |
| 04:35.03 | JoePenguin | hmm... isn't there a way to list packages with their install date? |
| 04:35.04 | Segers_J | BlackJudas: I don't know, but there is a fairly painless way to set up a webserver that serves man and info pages, that's what I did. |
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| 04:35.13 | greycat | only vernor vinge I've read is a story that got posted on freenet a while back |
| 04:35.14 | aaronl_ | doh sorry |
| 04:35.15 | scarynetworkguy | I'm just finishing up my second time through the Galatic Center books |
| 04:35.16 | ansong | scarynetworkguy: i recommend "a fire in the deep" |
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| 04:35.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: naughty very naughty :) But true |
| 04:35.34 | BlackJudas | Segers_J, yeah I've done that :) |
| 04:35.35 | scarynetworkguy | ansong: cool thanks |
| 04:35.36 | ansong | sorry, not "in" "upon" |
| 04:35.55 | Segers_J | BlackJudas: ok, wish I could help. :) |
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| 04:36.23 | Whirl256 | jcole, how's the XF86Conf-4 coming along? |
| 04:36.38 | greycat | tcsetattr: SF discussions tend not to generate heated flame wars |
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| 04:37.00 | scarynetworkguy | in fact quite the opposite they tend to make folks happy |
| 04:37.02 | ansong | i'm going to check out #gnome, see if they've got any ideas. |
| 04:37.25 | Segers_J | tcsetattr: nerds rule the financial world, don't piss us off <j/k> |
| 04:37.31 | greycat | initech: try "The Mote in God's Eye", Niven/Pournelle, one of the best |
| 04:37.48 | initech | greycat: i just may |
| 04:37.58 | initech | i am going on a trip and need something to read on the place |
| 04:38.00 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: initech damn straight. Pretty much anything in the co-do universe. |
| 04:38.01 | initech | plane |
| 04:38.06 | deadcat | do i still have to do make dep && make-kpkg clean && make-kpkg kernel_image? or i can skip the first 2 steps for 2.6? |
| 04:38.14 | Phated | Segers_J: Damn straight. |
| 04:38.17 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: I count that as one of the top SF books, ever. |
| 04:38.33 | Nurbs | Segers_J: what (package?) does one use for browsing them through http? |
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| 04:38.43 | Caelum | anyone else having problems with xmms hanging? |
| 04:38.50 | Phated | Caelum: |
| 04:38.50 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: yes it is and "The Gripping Hand" is a worthy sequel |
| 04:38.56 | Phated | Caelum: Not here. |
| 04:39.01 | deadcat | Caelum: nope. |
| 04:39.04 | initech | Caelum: lessee, um, nope |
| 04:39.11 | Segers_J | Nurbs: I use mozilla, if I have X, links otherwise |
| 04:39.24 | Whirl256 | deadcat, http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
| 04:39.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Who's this author you're talking about here? *gets vi ready* |
| 04:39.36 | greycat | scarynetworkguy: Niven & Pournelle |
| 04:39.38 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle |
| 04:39.38 | Nurbs | Segers_J: eh... fine. but what is used to publish it through a httpd? :) |
| 04:39.40 | greycat | err. |
| 04:39.48 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Thank you. :) |
| 04:39.49 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: speaking of which.... |
| 04:39.51 | Segers_J | Nurbs: apache |
| 04:39.53 | initech | Nurbs: what are you talking about? |
| 04:39.55 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yo? |
| 04:39.59 | deadcat | Whirl256: nice. thanks. |
| 04:40.07 | Whirl256 | deadcat, no problem |
| 04:40.10 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: how you doing with that project you were going to do? |
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| 04:40.18 | Nurbs | Segers_J: argh. and what does make info and man pages servable by apache? :P |
| 04:40.26 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Haven't started yet. :| |
| 04:40.27 | initech | Nurbs: dwww |
| 04:40.33 | Nurbs | ah! right! |
| 04:40.33 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :( |
| 04:40.35 | initech | Nurbs: and info2www |
| 04:40.38 | Nurbs | thanks :) |
| 04:40.46 | Segers_J | Nurbs: but the dependencies take care of everything, OOOH! sorry uh wwwinfo I think let me look |
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| 04:41.01 | JoshTriplett | I'm currently trying to troubleshoot a wireless connectivity problem. We have two access points; one is connected to the other via Ethernet. Only the primary router does DHCP; the other is just forwarding requests to the primary router. I can connect to the primary router, get an address via DHCP, and get to the Internet. However, I cannot seem to connect to the other router. I am running GNU/Linux and waproamd, with an orinoco card and the late |
| 04:41.02 | lex | Um... anyone here knows how to work with debian's mozilla in such a way that i can keep my extensions from upgrade to upgrade, sanely install my extensions...that kind of thing? |
| 04:41.05 | deadcat | Whirl256: hehe. they even teach you how to patch bootsplash |
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| 04:41.20 | JoshTriplett | lex: Package them? :) |
| 04:41.31 | Nurbs | Segers_J: initech was faster :) |
| 04:41.36 | Whirl256 | deadcat, it's a cool site (: |
| 04:41.41 | lex | JoshTriplett, Oh well yes, that would fix it, thank you! |
| 04:41.41 | JoshTriplett | lex: Or if you are using Firefox or Thunderbird, install them in your home directory. |
| 04:41.42 | greycat | lex: don't upgrade mozilla? :) |
| 04:41.51 | initech | Nurbs: dwww rocks |
| 04:41.53 | lex | :) |
| 04:41.56 | lex | Thought so |
| 04:41.58 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: have you seen this http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/joke/nivbulb.htm |
| 04:42.01 | initech | Nurbs: but be careful with it of course |
| 04:42.23 | deadcat | Whirl256: seems like no more make-kpkg clean, maybe that was the problem i had. it kept fucking up my pwcx module. )= |
| 04:42.38 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: Yea they are the guys who right after Heinlein were some of the first SF I ever read |
| 04:42.47 | lex | Okok... what about this chrome updating thing.... how can i 'package' this things or use the 'updating mozilla's chrome' stuff if i have the xpi's saved somewhere |
| 04:42.51 | JoshTriplett | lex: Debian's Mozilla uses the "update-mozilla-chrome" script to allow packaged extensions to update the extension list. Try hooking into that. |
| 04:42.59 | Nurbs | deadcat: yes, the clean deletes the .a file |
| 04:43.04 | Segers_J | Nurbs: I'm still looking at the keyboard a lot while I type. I'll get the speed eventually. :) |
| 04:43.09 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Awesome. Also, apparently is not possible (the project. :() |
| 04:43.09 | Nurbs | deadcat: have had the same problem |
| 04:43.09 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.32 | Nurbs | Segers_J: good luck ;) |
| 04:43.33 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: well that sucks |
| 04:43.38 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Does indeedy. |
| 04:43.48 | initech | does anyone make a nice looking mechanical keyboard? |
| 04:43.49 | scarynetworkguy | hehe |
| 04:43.55 | Phated | initech: Nope. |
| 04:43.58 | Whirl256 | deadcat, i haven't compiled much before 2.6, and only on slack, so i wouldn't know (-; |
| 04:43.59 | deadcat | Nurbs: damn. thank you. (= my function always do make dep; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg kernel_image )= |
| 04:44.06 | scarynetworkguy | cheer up :) |
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| 04:44.36 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) Oh well, FED-EX! ;) |
| 04:44.37 | initech | Phated: oh well, that sucks. I'd like one of those glow in the dark jobs but I can't stand membrane keyboards |
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| 04:44.48 | Nurbs | deadcat: heh, I changed my kernel-build script because of pwcx. it also applies pwcx and other patches to new kernels automatically now (I don't really like the debian system doing that, I have to admit) |
| 04:45.05 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: very cool. adapt and overcome and all that |
| 04:45.19 | deadcat | Nurbs: HAHAHA... me and you brother. (= |
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| 04:45.39 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yep. |
| 04:45.52 | Phated | initech: Menmbranes are cool... Just not on keyboards. :) |
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| 04:46.26 | initech | Phated: unless they break (err, let's not go there) |
| 04:46.33 | Phated | initech: Also... Glow-in-the-dark keyboards? Sign me up! |
| 04:47.02 | initech | Phated: check out tomshardware.com and search for keyboards |
| 04:47.12 | JoshTriplett | lex: You want to put a file in /var/lib/mozilla/chrome.d |
| 04:47.23 | lex | JoshTriplett, thx much |
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| 04:47.52 | JoshTriplett | lex: Then the standard update-mozilla-chrome process will find your extension. |
| 04:47.52 | Segers_J | initech: try the touchstream from fingerworks, it's a flat piece of plastic that has no moving parts, plus it's also a mouse. |
| 04:47.58 | lex | wholly cow |
| 04:48.03 | lex | Its actually pretty smart |
| 04:48.10 | scarynetworkguy | That just sounds evil |
| 04:48.12 | JoshTriplett | lex: As opposed to partially cow? |
| 04:48.36 | initech | JoshTriplett: most cows, sadly, are "partial" ones |
| 04:48.41 | initech | :) |
| 04:49.20 | ansong | would you believe i just rebooted and it worked? thats depressing. it's like windows all over again |
| 04:49.44 | scarynetworkguy | ansong: well the Gnome project is trying very hard to be windows like |
| 04:50.05 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Soft-touch keyboards. :) |
| 04:50.07 | lex | JoshTriplett, Or 3 quarters of one...there is a whole range of cow there |
| 04:50.09 | scarynetworkguy | and it would still work |
| 04:50.09 | Segers_J | ansong: /etc/init.d/somethingorother restart would probably also have worked |
| 04:50.10 | JoshTriplett | scarynetworkguy: Actually, I always thought that the GNOME project was trying to be Mac-like. |
| 04:50.15 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You suck. I can do that with my hands. :) |
| 04:50.23 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: bah on the soft touch keyboards |
| 04:50.27 | initech | ansong: well i think they have like 2 million daemons that run outside of X (scrollkepper, FAM, et al), so maybe it had something to do with one of those |
| 04:50.34 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Bah on you with the strong fingers. |
| 04:50.37 | Evilpig | can anyone suggest a good small keyboard that still has a usable numeric keypad? |
| 04:50.38 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yea but we can't all be as cool as you. :) |
| 04:50.45 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *bows* |
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| 04:51.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: *grins* |
| 04:51.28 | Evilpig | ... |
| 04:51.34 | Phated | Which is why I have funny fingering on my keyboard. |
| 04:51.39 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: you gotta remember I learned to type when dinosaurs ruled the Earth |
| 04:51.49 | Phated | Evilpig: It'd be less odd if you knew also that I -am- actually a girl. :) |
| 04:51.53 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: True. |
| 04:52.15 | lex | Gee linux is not what it used to be....we actually have girls in #debian |
| 04:52.24 | Evilpig | me too, which is why i cringe when i see "girly" equated with "weak" |
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| 04:52.28 | lex | Thats it, im moving to gentoo |
| 04:52.35 | mtnman | scarynetworkguy: did you learn on a manual typewriter? |
| 04:52.52 | Phated | Evilpig: Nah, I just have weak fingers. :) Writing too much, typing too little. |
| 04:52.59 | scarynetworkguy | mtnman: sure did. A little crappy plastic protable |
| 04:53.03 | deadcat | whats the make-kpkg option to show a tree of the builds? |
| 04:53.07 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Were you around during the orthodox vs unorthodox keying methods discussion? |
| 04:53.10 | scarynetworkguy | protabale |
| 04:53.15 | Phated | Portable. |
| 04:53.18 | Evilpig | hehe, i think writing is rougher |
| 04:53.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: nope. |
| 04:53.31 | Evilpig | but then i hold my pen like a weapon... |
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| 04:53.35 | Phated | Evilpig: But does nothing for your fingers strength, only your arms. |
| 04:53.42 | JoshTriplett | deadcat: Tree:? |
| 04:53.45 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: OK. *shrugs* |
| 04:53.45 | mtnman | scarynetworkguy: my typing teacher used to give me a hard time about all of the erasures i had to do...the paper was worn thin in spots. |
| 04:53.50 | JoshTriplett | deadcat: What kind of tree? |
| 04:53.53 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: but I'm very much in the orthodox camp. :) |
| 04:54.01 | JoshTriplett | mtnman: Beats the ones that insist on pen. |
| 04:54.08 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Lucky you. I type weirdly. :) |
| 04:54.14 | ryty | I copied all of my partitions over to another harddrive, and I want the other harddrive to boot instead after removing my original one, how would I get the new harddrive to boot without trouble? |
| 04:54.14 | scarynetworkguy | mtnman: I know what you mean. |
| 04:54.16 | Evilpig | my fingers don't ever get tired while typing, but with writing i cramp up after a while |
| 04:54.19 | deadcat | JoshTriplett: no. its a make-kpkg <something> it shoes that if you use kernel_image it creates x.deb and y.deb, something like that. i forgot. |
| 04:54.21 | Phated | Evilpig: True. |
| 04:54.27 | mtnman | joshtriplett: i guess i never heard of a typing instructor who insisted on pen. |
| 04:54.28 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yea form was like half the grade in typing class |
| 04:54.29 | Evilpig | i htink it's the difference between only using a couple of fingers and using most of them |
| 04:54.38 | JoshTriplett | mtnman: Ah, sorry. :) |
| 04:54.42 | initech | ryty: install the boot loader to the boot sector? |
| 04:54.44 | JoshTriplett | mtnman: Misread. :) |
| 04:54.47 | ansong | does anyone know of a mechanical keyswitch keyboard like the model m that also has 104 keys? |
| 04:54.49 | ryty | initech, yes |
| 04:54.50 | Phated | Evilpig: It's because when you type you move your fingers, whereas writing keeps your finger in one place. |
| 04:54.56 | ryty | how would I do such? |
| 04:54.58 | Phated | fingers* |
| 04:55.03 | JoshTriplett | ansong: Why in the world would you want Windows keys? |
| 04:55.06 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhh. :) |
| 04:55.07 | scarynetworkguy | mtnman: and of course you remember the old IBMs with the ball? |
| 04:55.08 | initech | ryty: grub, or lilo? |
| 04:55.11 | JoshTriplett | ansong: :) |
| 04:55.12 | ryty | lilo |
| 04:55.20 | mtnman | scarynetworkguy: when i first used a crt and discovered how nicely backspace worked, i had a hard time going back to typewriters. |
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| 04:55.23 | initech | ryty: is the new drive "hda"? |
| 04:55.27 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yuppers |
| 04:55.28 | ryty | yes |
| 04:55.30 | mtnman | scarynetworkguy: ibm selectric. |
| 04:55.37 | ansong | i work on windows pc's. they pay the bills. |
| 04:55.42 | az[a]zel | hmm, finding AMD64 downloadable distros is hard |
| 04:55.42 | scarynetworkguy | mtnman: exactly. |
| 04:55.54 | az[a]zel | can only find FC2, but I don't wanna use that |
| 04:55.55 | initech | ryty: then you would just do like lilo -Bv /dev/hda |
| 04:55.55 | mtnman | scarynetworkguy: we used to set type for our school paper on a selectric. |
| 04:56.06 | initech | ryty: but check the man page, my memory's bad |
| 04:56.11 | ryty | ok |
| 04:56.11 | k-god | How do I get grub to create/show a new device.map file? |
| 04:56.14 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 04:56.20 | scarynetworkguy | mtnman: yup we did also |
| 04:56.22 | ryty | thanks initech |
| 04:56.24 | jcole | az[a]zel: ya, i was looking earlier today myself |
| 04:56.31 | Phated | Evilpig: Anyways, is this your first time here? I don't recall ever seeing you around. :) |
| 04:56.35 | az[a]zel | jcole: are you just using a 32bit distro? |
| 04:56.36 | deadcat | damn. some fucker from caltech.edu is trying to brute force my ssh server. )= |
| 04:56.53 | Phated | deadcat: Kill him/her, kill it! |
| 04:57.00 | initech | deadcat: wtf is with that ... i keep hearing about brute force ssh attacks lately |
| 04:57.01 | ansong | nmap him. |
| 04:57.03 | mtnman | scarynetworkguy: though i'll admit i didn't set much type myself...having been photography editor, i spent more time in the darkroom. |
| 04:57.04 | deadcat | Phated: i think i will email their admin |
| 04:57.12 | Evilpig | Phated: no, but in the past i've used a different nick, though i haven't been around much recently |
| 04:57.14 | jcole | az[a]zel: here i am. but i'm on a p4. at work, i have an amd64. |
| 04:57.16 | Phated | deadcat: Also possible; get the killinh done for you. |
| 04:57.17 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: I think it's a worm. I've been seeing a lot of that lately |
| 04:57.18 | deadcat | initech: let me paste a line from my log |
| 04:57.21 | Phated | Evilpig: Ahhh. :) |
| 04:57.29 | Phated | killing* |
| 04:57.39 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: well. gonna email their admin anyway. heheh |
| 04:57.42 | scarynetworkguy | mtnman: very cool. I mostly just set type for the people with talnet |
| 04:57.49 | Evilpig | i don't remember speaking to you before though, so hi ;-) |
| 04:57.55 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: if is was me I would want to know so yea of course. |
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| 04:58.30 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: me I'd hunt em down :) |
| 04:59.05 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: yea you make the 4th person I've heard about such attacks from in the last couple of days |
| 04:59.09 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Exactly. If I kenw how. :) |
| 04:59.19 | Phated | Evilpig: Me neither, so hi right back. :D |
| 04:59.35 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: plenty of time to learn. |
| 04:59.41 | Evilpig | are these ssh attempts to root/guest/admin? |
| 04:59.42 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: YEp, I'm not your age, after all. |
| 04:59.54 | scarynetworkguy | Evilpig: yuppers |
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| 05:00.07 | Phated | k-god: I do believe I've heard that. Good one. |
| 05:00.10 | Segers_J | k-god: lesser known than what? |
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| 05:00.23 | k-god | Segers_J: s/bohan/bohem/ |
| 05:00.26 | mtnman | phated: as long as your age is greater than his shoe size... |
| 05:00.29 | JimButton | k-god: lesser known than what? |
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| 05:00.35 | Evilpig | yeah, those have been going around for a couple of weeks now and have been discussed on a few security mailing lists |
| 05:00.40 | k-god | JimButton: What's on second. |
| 05:00.44 | scarynetworkguy | mtnman: it is more than my shoe size |
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| 05:00.52 | Segers_J | k-god: oh, sorry, my irony detectors are on the fritz. |
| 05:00.55 | Phated | mtnman: Depends, he might have big feet. :) |
| 05:01.05 | mtnman | heheh |
| 05:01.06 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: nope |
| 05:01.09 | JimButton | k-god: mama mia... |
| 05:01.14 | Evilpig | i'd be interested to know if it's a worm, or if it's less automated |
| 05:01.17 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You have small feet? *giggles* |
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| 05:01.33 | duity | is there a known place to get later php4 packages for woody? |
| 05:01.33 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yes I do. |
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| 05:01.41 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *giggles* OK. |
| 05:01.43 | k-god | JimButton: Wrong skit. |
| 05:02.00 | JimButton | k-god: sorry, i am still apprenticing here... |
| 05:02.04 | scarynetworkguy | Evilpig: given the number of people I've heard about it from it sounds like a worm. We are also seeing a lot of it at work |
| 05:02.14 | SteveWrightNZ | `apt-get install freeradius` requires xfree86-common... wtf? |
| 05:02.18 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: hey now be nice. :) |
| 05:02.18 | Segers_J | scarynetworkguy: get it pierced, shuts 'em right up about the small hands/feet comments. |
| 05:02.28 | scarynetworkguy | Segers_J: ouch |
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| 05:03.03 | Evilpig | it's been talked about a lot, and a lot of people are seeing it, but noone has actually said that they came up with a compromised box that was making such connections |
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| 05:03.20 | duity | SteveWrightNZ, do apt-get source, then edit the config file and build the deb without xfree86. there might be some little X tool that needs it |
| 05:03.23 | Segers_J | scarynetworkguy: actually, it felt great, a tiny pain, then you go into shock and you're high as a kite for 3 hours. |
| 05:03.25 | k-god | Evilpig: WRT your keyboard question, the Happy Hacker IIRC has a full numeric keypad, or may in one of its models. |
| 05:03.31 | scarynetworkguy | Evilpig: I just heard about it yesterday |
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| 05:03.33 | SteveWrightNZ | duity: thank you |
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| 05:03.45 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: done laughing at me? |
| 05:04.29 | Evilpig | scarynetworkguy: if you're interested, it's been discussed on the incidents list, as well as dshield and iirc full-disclosure |
| 05:04.31 | deadcat | boy. my wireless connection BLOWS. )= |
| 05:04.31 | bohan | k-god, o_O` |
| 05:04.41 | scarynetworkguy | Evilpig: cool I'll have to take a look |
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| 05:05.16 | tcsetattr | if it's a worm you should be able to capture it with an sshd honeypot |
| 05:05.16 | Evilpig | yeah, there's not a ton of helpful info out there; mainly just correlation that people are seeing similar scans |
| 05:05.24 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You do know what they say about men with big feet, don't you? I do believe the reverse applies. *smile* |
| 05:05.35 | initech | deadcat: don't they all? |
| 05:05.44 | mtnman | phated: they leave big footprints? |
| 05:05.46 | k-god | Phated: Big shoes. |
| 05:05.48 | Phated | mtnman: Yep. |
| 05:05.52 | Evilpig | though there is at least one report of a full compromise, which didn't include the report of discovering the scanning tool |
| 05:05.52 | Phated | k-god: Also true. |
| 05:06.01 | tcsetattr | sshd configured to accept any password for root, and log into a restricted user account and run "fakeroot /bin/sh" |
| 05:06.11 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: in that case it is true my footprints are not that big. |
| 05:06.11 | deadcat | initech: nah.. lastnight was at 20db, now its 4db. neighbor must have done some redecoration. )= |
| 05:06.14 | Evilpig | of course, there are a lot of possible explanations for that ;-P |
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| 05:07.03 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: and quit trying to get me in trouble. :) |
| 05:07.18 | Evilpig | goodnight all, and nice to meet you Phated ;-) |
| 05:07.30 | scarynetworkguy | Evilpig: night thanks for the pointer |
| 05:07.31 | k-god | deadcat: How was LWCE, and are you going to picnix? |
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| 05:07.38 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 05:07.43 | Phated | Evilpig: Cool to meet you. :) |
| 05:07.56 | k-god | brb.... |
| 05:07.57 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Get you in trouble how, eh? |
| 05:08.01 | mtnman | k-god: lwce was great, from my perspective. |
| 05:08.19 | samlander | quick question: how do I quick iso a cdrom? |
| 05:08.30 | Phated | samlander: By doing it quickly. :) |
| 05:08.31 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: you know you really don't play innnocent all that well. :0 |
| 05:08.34 | tcsetattr | samlander, a verb would help. |
| 05:08.48 | deadcat | k-god: lwce was fun.. not much free stuff this yr.. fucking tshirts dont fit me. i am a medium. )=.. but the debian booth was cool. bought a debian/rules tshirt(medium) from them. heheh.. didnt sign up for picnix.. is it too late to sign up? |
| 05:09.03 | samlander | i vaguely remember a command ?? if=/dev/cdrom of=/home/blah.iso |
| 05:09.03 | deadcat | k-god: you going? |
| 05:09.07 | samlander | or something like that |
| 05:09.11 | pipeline | samlander: dd ? |
| 05:09.15 | samlander | that's it.. thanks |
| 05:09.22 | mtnman | deadcat: did i see you at the booth? i spent a lot of time there. |
| 05:09.27 | pipeline | samlander: however, that's not a good way to make an image |
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| 05:09.37 | scarynetworkguy | tcsetattr: yea looks like a non-locked down apache box |
| 05:09.38 | pipeline | samlander: I suggest you copy the files off the disc and use mkisofs |
| 05:09.45 | deadcat | k-god: mtnman which is you? let me show you the pics i took. |
| 05:10.01 | samlander | what switches pipeline ? |
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| 05:10.11 | deadcat | mtnman: damn. my neighbor's wireless is blowing on me.. )= the dns seems dead or something. arg. |
| 05:10.15 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: but that's cool it's only a matter of time till I get my revenge. :) |
| 05:10.28 | pipeline | samlander: man cp and man mkisofs |
| 05:10.43 | deadcat | k-god: mtnman: http://deadcat.thegunn.com/tmp/20040803.linuxworldexpo/ i am the dude raping the penguin/scratching my ass. |
| 05:10.54 | mtnman | deadcat: i was the guy with the long hair and beard. i don't think anyone else working the booth had a beard. |
| 05:11.16 | deadcat | mtnman: oh ya.. you kept asking if i have questions. (= i said "just hangin around" |
| 05:11.19 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: We both know it. :) |
| 05:11.44 | mtnman | deadcat: i kept asking _everyone_ if they had a question. |
| 05:11.46 | az[a]zel | haha, all unix guys have long hair and a beard |
| 05:11.51 | deadcat | mtnman: i know. (= hahahah |
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| 05:11.56 | Phated | az[a]zel: The girls too. ;) |
| 05:11.59 | scarynetworkguy | az[a]zel: not me |
| 05:12.04 | initech | az[a]zel: some have no hair and a beard :) |
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| 05:12.06 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: ewww |
| 05:12.06 | az[a]zel | I have long hair, but I can't seem to grow a decent beard |
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| 05:12.11 | mtnman | az: well, i was the only one in the booth who had a beard. |
| 05:12.16 | cievo | all...hello !!! :-P |
| 05:12.17 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Note the ;) <-- KIDDING. |
| 05:12.18 | az[a]zel | heh |
| 05:12.23 | Phated | cievo: Éllo. |
| 05:12.26 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I did :) |
| 05:12.31 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 05:12.37 | deadcat | so whos going to the picnix tomorrow? |
| 05:12.57 | cievo | Phated: :)))) |
| 05:13.02 | cievo | all...can anyone ping network.sk ? my DNS doesn't wanna recognize it ! |
| 05:13.03 | mtnman | deadcat: i'm registered for the picnic, but my ride hasn't called back yet. |
| 05:13.06 | Phated | So, some have no hair and a beard, some have long hair and a beard, I have long hair and no beard. Diverse bunch, we are. :) |
| 05:13.27 | cievo | fucking Adelphia ! |
| 05:13.28 | Phated | cievo: I can get there. |
| 05:13.28 | deadcat | mtnman: think i can still register? (= you're from CO right? |
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| 05:13.50 | Phated | Oh, FUCK! |
| 05:13.59 | Phated | I'm late. Gotta run, see you all. :) |
| 05:13.59 | cievo | fucking adelphia: ping network.sk: 11 packets transmitted, 3 packets received, 72% packet loss |
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| 05:14.07 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: have fun catch you later |
| 05:14.08 | mtnman | deadcat: www/linuxpicnic.org |
| 05:14.13 | Phated | See ya, scarynetworkguy. :) |
| 05:14.15 | deadcat | k |
| 05:14.23 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: cool pics |
| 05:14.25 | cievo | !ping |
| 05:14.25 | dpkg | pong |
| 05:14.39 | Segers_J | hahahaha |
| 05:14.46 | deadcat | scarynetworkguy: thanks. (= i scratched my ass infront of the presentation heheh |
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| 05:14.59 | scarynetworkguy | deadcat: outstanding |
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| 05:15.52 | cievo | fuck adelphia from back ! |
| 05:16.21 | cievo | !ping |
| 05:16.21 | dpkg | pong |
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| 05:17.07 | tcsetattr | ok, I upgraded my BerkeleyDB to version 3 and now my perl test script doesn't segfault any more, but I still have to use DB_CREATE on every call, which deletes and recreates the shared files, and that can't be good if they're in use they need to stay shared |
| 05:17.10 | bluefox83 | anyone here know of a yahoo client that lets you use webcam and voice? |
| 05:17.21 | pipeline | gnome-meeting might |
| 05:17.34 | bluefox83 | gnome-meeting is not yahoo compliant |
| 05:17.41 | cievo | all...if I change root to asshole in /etc/passwd, and root in /etc/group to asshole will my root change to asshole ?! |
| 05:17.42 | mtnman | bluefox: yeah, the one from yahoo for win32. |
| 05:17.42 | bluefox83 | it's made for netmeeting |
| 05:18.00 | bluefox83 | mtnman, that does me no good, i only run debian |
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| 05:18.27 | mtnman | bluefox: well that is the only client which supports those features (that i know of) |
| 05:18.35 | cievo | win32 ? what is that ?! what does it eat ?! |
| 05:18.37 | pipeline | Have you tried wine? |
| 05:18.43 | pipeline | win32 eats souls for the most part |
| 05:18.48 | cievo | ;) |
| 05:18.50 | mtnman | cievo: it eats resources. |
| 05:18.51 | pipeline | but only when you equip a cursed artifact |
| 05:18.53 | bluefox83 | ya, you have to have explorer6 installed |
| 05:18.57 | cievo | ;))))) |
| 05:18.57 | pipeline | mfc is the biggest culprit |
| 05:19.22 | bluefox83 | and i can't seem to get wine to get explorer installed all the way.. |
| 05:19.31 | duity | cievo, also edit /etc/shadow |
| 05:19.43 | cievo | duity: yeah, and it will work ?! |
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| 05:20.05 | cievo | all...did anyone here tried to make USB Linux Key ?! :) |
| 05:20.07 | initech | cievo: i doubt it |
| 05:20.11 | duity | cievo, should |
| 05:20.29 | duity | cievo, just also make another user and make their uid=0 so you can login with that user in case this messes you up |
| 05:20.38 | initech | cievo: but in any case it probably won't be disastrous |
| 05:20.41 | duity | if uid=0 you'll be root |
| 05:20.45 | cievo | duity: cool ;) just asking :) |
| 05:20.49 | cievo | oki :) |
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| 05:21.40 | Chucktdriscoll | good morning all |
| 05:21.53 | cievo | Chucktdriscoll: it's late night ! :-P |
| 05:22.11 | Chucktdriscoll | morning |
| 05:22.13 | Chucktdriscoll | night |
| 05:22.17 | Chucktdriscoll | it's all the same |
| 05:22.26 | cievo | yeah :) |
| 05:22.51 | Chucktdriscoll | I was wondering if anyone's played with the new ATI driver |
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| 05:22.56 | xerophyte | If i have only one Hard-Drive and if i wanna use 3 OS gentoo,debian,fedora, and how can i configure the grub to boot all 3 OS |
| 05:23.00 | deadcat | mtnman: just signed up for the picnix. but the food selection is only 1.. what if i want beef and hotdog? (= |
| 05:23.03 | Chucktdriscoll | I'm having some trouble with it |
| 05:23.14 | cievo | xerophyte: normally :) |
| 05:23.16 | initech | Chucktdriscoll: the dri one or the ati one? |
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