| 00:00.06 | Alogon | is there any config scrip for sound, i have done apt-get install alsa but that didnt do the trick, i dont know what else i should have done :-P |
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| 00:00.45 | SelfMadeMan | debian have suport for raid0 in intel ich5 in instalation ? |
| 00:00.51 | greycat | Alogon: /msg dpkg alsa |
| 00:01.12 | Alogon | greycat: i am /msg dpkg all the time :-) |
| 00:01.31 | greycat | well do it some more... |
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| 00:01.43 | kjoonlee | Alogon: run alsaconf as root. |
| 00:01.46 | Alogon | ah HA |
| 00:01.55 | Alogon | just got the bot to tell me about alsaconf |
| 00:02.04 | nailbiter | Alogon: "alsaconf" is in the "alsa-utils" package. |
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| 00:02.44 | Alogon | nailbiter: i made sure to apt-get that too |
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| 00:03.13 | Alogon | nailbiter: do i need to restart after alsaconf set it up? |
| 00:03.22 | nailbiter | Alogon: by the way -- which kernel version are you using? and is it a custom-compiled kernel? or a debian kernel image? |
| 00:03.32 | Xenguy | a |
| 00:03.34 | greycat | Alogon: you used windows a lot, didn't you? |
| 00:03.40 | kjoonlee | Alogon: running /etc/init.d/alsa start as root should work. |
| 00:03.49 | kjoonlee | Alogon: w/o rebooting. |
| 00:04.01 | Alogon | nailbiter: i am using kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7 |
| 00:04.10 | mseney | what do you use for a mixer w/ alsa ? |
| 00:04.19 | kjoonlee | mseney: I use alsamixer. |
| 00:04.22 | Alogon | greycat: i am using windows for irc now :-P |
| 00:04.24 | greycat | it starts with 'alsa' and ends with 'mixer' |
| 00:04.30 | nailbiter | Alogon: that kernel comes with ALSA support. just run 'alsaconf' and you'll be set. :) |
| 00:04.40 | nailbiter | Alogon: no, there's no need to reboot. |
| 00:04.44 | mseney | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 00:04.54 | SelfMadeMan | debian have suport for raid0 in intel ich5 in instalation ? |
| 00:05.13 | kjoonlee | mseney: are you in the sound group? |
| 00:05.13 | cafuego | SelfMadeMan: use the 'md' driver. |
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| 00:05.25 | kjoonlee | mseney: sorry, the audio group |
| 00:05.43 | mseney | kjoonlee, prob. not...im so new to debian..ive used the do it for you distros for too long....lol |
| 00:05.48 | Alogon | nailbiter: ewww, when i tryed to start alsa i got Restoring ALSA mixer settings .... failed: you may want to run alsactl restore |
| 00:05.52 | SelfMadeMan | thanks |
| 00:05.59 | nailbiter | Alogon: did you run 'alsaconf' first? |
| 00:06.07 | mseney | kjoonlee, how do i change that? |
| 00:06.07 | kjoonlee | Alogon: That's OK. If you dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base you can save it. |
| 00:06.08 | Alogon | nailbiter: yup |
| 00:06.25 | nailbiter | Alogon: can you do a 'cat /proc/asound/cards'? |
| 00:06.47 | kjoonlee | mseney: run "adduser mseney audio" as root, log out *completely*, and log back in. |
| 00:06.55 | Alogon | nailbiter: grr no soundcards |
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| 00:07.09 | nailbiter | Alogon: ok. so the ALSA driver wasn't loaded after all. which audio chipset do you have? |
| 00:07.14 | mseney | k brb |
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| 00:07.31 | Alogon | nailbiter: it is an sis one, one sec i can get exact name if you need |
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| 00:08.34 | Alogon | nailbiter: alsaconf found it as intel18x0 silicon integrated systems sound controller, and it also found a legacy one |
| 00:08.43 | DjStatik | n |
| 00:08.44 | kjoonlee | Alogon: ignore the legacy one. |
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| 00:09.19 | nailbiter | Alogon: it's probably 'snd-intel8x0', then. did "alsaconf" detect this when you ran it eariler? |
| 00:09.22 | mikeshouse2004 | hi all |
| 00:09.42 | mikeshouse2004 | heard a lot of good things about debian...thinking of taking the plunge |
| 00:09.50 | Alogon | nailbiter: yes it did |
| 00:09.57 | kjoonlee | mikeshouse2004: heh. And what's stopping you? :) |
| 00:10.13 | nailbiter | Alogon: hm, odd. is 'snd-intel8x0' loaded, then? |
| 00:10.20 | mikeshouse2004 | well, I wanted to maybe get an idea of what I was in for...hope you can help with that |
| 00:10.40 | mikeshouse2004 | as far as installation goes...I'm used to the install process of distro's like fedora, redhat and mandrake |
| 00:10.45 | Alogon | nailbiter: how do i check? cat /proc/asound/cards? |
| 00:10.48 | mikeshouse2004 | will installing deb be similar? |
| 00:11.01 | caphuso | mikeshouse2004: defne "similar" |
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| 00:11.05 | kjoonlee | Alogon: lsmod | grep snd |
| 00:11.08 | caphuso | s/defne/define/ |
| 00:11.10 | greycat | who CARES about the stupid installer? It takes 20 minutes and you NEVER SEE IT AGAIN. |
| 00:11.14 | kjoonlee | welcome back :) |
| 00:11.16 | mseney | kjoonlee, didn't work |
| 00:11.22 | nailbiter | Alogon: 'lsmod' |
| 00:11.22 | greycat | it's 0.00001 percent of your total Debian experience |
| 00:11.30 | kjoonlee | mseney: what does "ls -al /dev/dsp*" show you? |
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| 00:11.40 | Alogon | that came up with like 5 lines, want me to paste them into #flood? |
| 00:11.44 | mikeshouse2004 | I does deb include an graphical installer, or will I need to brush up on the command line |
| 00:11.51 | caphuso | mikeshouse2004: neither |
| 00:11.54 | greycat | (unless of course you're installing sarge on a 10-year-old box in which case it takes hours) |
| 00:11.54 | amphi | mikeshouse2004: curses |
| 00:12.00 | mseney | kjoonlee, /dev/dsp -> /dev/dsp0 |
| 00:12.05 | mikeshouse2004 | huh? |
| 00:12.11 | kjoonlee | mseney: crw-rw- or crw-------? |
| 00:12.19 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: it uses a dialog(1)-style interface |
| 00:12.33 | mseney | kjoonlee, lrwxrwxrwx |
| 00:12.35 | nailbiter | Alogon: ok, paste away |
| 00:12.39 | mikeshouse2004 | ok, so in other words I don't need to worry about getting left at the command line? |
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| 00:12.50 | kjoonlee | mseney: OK, what about on the second line for /dev/dsp0? |
| 00:12.51 | mikeshouse2004 | wondering what to do next? |
| 00:13.00 | greycat | !tell mikeshouse2004 about install |
| 00:13.09 | mseney | kjoonlee, crw-rw---- |
| 00:13.18 | greycat | hmm, that may want updating.. |
| 00:13.21 | RichiH | mikeshouse2004: it is a text based gui |
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| 00:13.27 | RichiH | !install |
| 00:13.28 | dpkg | install is, like, http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or the official guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/woody - see the tips at http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/tips or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 00:13.43 | mikeshouse2004 | that's the part that worries me... |
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| 00:13.53 | mikeshouse2004 | the fact that I have to read a manual before installing it |
| 00:14.04 | nailbiter | Alogon: uh? did you join #flood and paste as 'root__'? |
| 00:14.04 | caphuso | mikeshouse2004: then forget about using debian |
| 00:14.06 | greycat | dpkg, install =~ s#http://linuxmafia#To test sarge (upcoming Debian 3.1) see <http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/>. For woody (Debian 3.0), see http://linuxmafia# |
| 00:14.06 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 00:14.09 | greycat | !install |
| 00:14.09 | dpkg | [install] To test sarge (upcoming Debian 3.1) see <http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/>. For woody (Debian 3.0), see http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or the official guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/woody - see the tips at http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/tips or http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 00:14.14 | mikeshouse2004 | why can't I just put in the cd and click install, like fedora, or redhat |
| 00:14.14 | RichiH | mikeshouse2004: if you have basic computer knowledge, you won't need to |
| 00:14.19 | Alogon | nailbiter: it is there now as alogon_ |
| 00:14.28 | mikeshouse2004 | oh ok RichiH |
| 00:14.33 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: the sarge installer is more like those brain-dead things you're accustomed to. |
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| 00:14.34 | Alogon | nailbiter: grrr nm it is root__ |
| 00:14.43 | nailbiter | Alogon: i see 'root__', not 'alogon'. :) oh well, now i know. |
| 00:14.46 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: it's big and slow and flash and slow and hand-holding and slow. you'll love it. |
| 00:14.47 | mseney | kjoonlee, still there ? |
| 00:15.00 | kjoonlee | mseney: you've got me stumped, for the moment. |
| 00:15.03 | nailbiter | Alogon: ok, looks like 'alsaconf' loaded all the support modules, but forgot your actual Intel driver. :) |
| 00:15.12 | RichiH | greycat: bad mood, today? :) |
| 00:15.21 | Alogon | nailbiter: that sounds like my kind of luck |
| 00:15.22 | greycat | RichiH: possibly |
| 00:15.32 | RichiH | greycat: hmm, why? |
| 00:15.33 | mseney | kjoonlee, i originally installed woody and then updated to sarge and then installed 2.6.7-1-k7 kernel so i wouldnt doubt some things are messed up |
| 00:15.38 | mikeshouse2004 | hey now greycat, I've compiled my share of kernels, and I've installed gentoo from the stage1 tarball |
| 00:15.43 | amphi | greycat: the new installer is ncurses based? |
| 00:15.49 | nailbiter | Alogon: ok. can you try a "modprobe snd-intel8x0"? |
| 00:15.52 | mikeshouse2004 | lets see u try that big boy |
| 00:15.57 | greycat | amphi: yes, and it's also dpkg-based. |
| 00:15.59 | RichiH | mikeshouse2004: then you should be able to go through the install without any troubles |
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| 00:16.06 | mseney | kjoonlee, in gnome when i go to the speaker icon its empty for sound channels |
| 00:16.20 | Alogon | nailbiter: fatal module not found |
| 00:16.20 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD03OTM= |
| 00:16.32 | RichiH | mikeshouse2004: just grab the netinstall iso, burn it on a cd-rw and off you go |
| 00:16.43 | mikeshouse2004 | what's that about directthex |
| 00:16.51 | amphi | greycat: I feared an X installer |
| 00:16.52 | nailbiter | Alogon: err. that's odd. it should have come with your kernel. |
| 00:16.59 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, a sarge install guide. |
| 00:17.02 | mikeshouse2004 | ok, thanks RichiH |
| 00:17.06 | RichiH | amphi: nah, it looks like the old one |
| 00:17.08 | Alogon | mseney: are you having trouble with your mouse after updating kernel image? |
| 00:17.11 | greycat | amphi: that would have had me up in arms. |
| 00:17.11 | nailbiter | Alogon: do a: dpkg --listfiles kernel-image-`uname -r` | grep intel8x0 |
| 00:17.16 | amphi | RichiH: what a relief :) |
| 00:17.21 | mseney | Alogon, my mouse works perfect |
| 00:17.24 | bipolar | my new pet bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=264889 |
| 00:17.25 | nailbiter | Alogon: that'll check if the module actually shipped with your kernel or not. |
| 00:17.30 | amphi | greycat: you'd not have been alone |
| 00:17.38 | mdh | there was some press about the new d-i (think I saw it in debian weekly news) |
| 00:17.41 | greycat | amphi: try it on a 486 or an HP 700 or an m68k box before you express any relief.... |
| 00:17.58 | nailbiter | greycat, amphi: not to mention make serial console installations impossible .. |
| 00:18.00 | mseney | Alogon, but i have a bunch of issues all over the place...for instance the window switcher when i make it two changes back to one after logging out and then back in |
| 00:18.01 | RichiH | greycat, amphi: i expect an X installer at some point. functionality and display are distinct with the new installer so you can use any interface from cli to full-fledged kde |
| 00:18.07 | greycat | nailbiter: oh, now that is useful. |
| 00:18.09 | mdh | apparently one of the features is that it's much simpler and installs can be done in 40 minutes |
| 00:18.16 | RichiH | though personally, i prefer ncurses config, too |
| 00:18.17 | mikeshouse2004 | what is the default window manager for deb? |
| 00:18.23 | mdh | I'm wondering what was wrong with the old d-i that installed now take 25 minutes longer ;) |
| 00:18.33 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: there isn't one |
| 00:18.36 | mseney | mikeshouse2004, pretty sure there isn't |
| 00:18.48 | Alogon | nailbiter: it didnt like the 'uname -r' let me type in the version |
| 00:18.50 | RichiH | mikeshouse2004: it's called TossACoin ;) |
| 00:19.01 | mikeshouse2004 | :) I gotcha |
| 00:19.06 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, there isn't one per se, though if you use tasksel to pick your apps & ask for x, i think it installs kde and/or gnome |
| 00:19.11 | RichiH | !tell mikeshouse2004 about set up x |
| 00:19.12 | mseney | but i made mine gdm w/ metacity but cant seem to change the window border??? |
| 00:19.13 | Alogon | nailbiter nm it didnt like ' it does like the ` |
| 00:19.22 | nailbiter | Alogon: it was a `. :) |
| 00:19.25 | RichiH | that's what you do after you installed the base system |
| 00:19.29 | greycat | nailbiter: this is one of the reasons I use $(uname -r) |
| 00:19.37 | greycat | nailbiter: people are less likely to screw it up |
| 00:19.41 | nailbiter | greycat: good idea. :) |
| 00:19.42 | Alogon | nailbiter: i know, was typing too fast |
| 00:19.43 | RichiH | then, you just install fluxbox, kde, gnome, ratpoison, icewm, whatever |
| 00:19.51 | directhex | xfce4 |
| 00:19.53 | kjoonlee | mseney: In the GNOME menu, look for Desktop preferences -> Theme |
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| 00:19.59 | mikeshouse2004 | so a window manager won't be automatically installed for me? |
| 00:20.07 | mdh | speaking of which, anyone want a i386 pekwm CVS .deb ? |
| 00:20.08 | caphuso | mikeshouse2004: hell, no |
| 00:20.08 | sleazegr1nder | If you install X you get tvm, it should be the default imho. |
| 00:20.13 | Alogon | nailbiter: i should have known to use the ` :-P |
| 00:20.19 | mseney | kjoonlee,been there but there is no option under theme for the window border |
| 00:20.19 | caphuso | mikeshouse2004: that'd be horrible |
| 00:20.20 | sleazegr1nder | twm |
| 00:20.21 | nailbiter | mikeshouse2004: there's no mandated default. :) that would have people rioting .. |
| 00:20.23 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, no. just a base system, enough to get you going. more than that is bloat |
| 00:20.27 | RichiH | mikeshouse2004: oh yes, use neither tasksel nor dselect after the base install. those are a pita |
| 00:20.27 | mseney | kjoonlee, i wanted to make it galaxy |
| 00:20.31 | Alogon | nailbiter: anyways it says no such file or dir |
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| 00:20.45 | nailbiter | Alogon: ok. did you install your kernel from a package? or did you compile it yourself? |
| 00:20.50 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: most debian users already know what they like. |
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| 00:20.56 | kjoonlee | mseney: Click on details, and change Window border. |
| 00:20.58 | mdh | mikeshouse2004: debian already forces a pathetic MTA by default, I will burn the FSF to the ground if they start enforcing a pathetic WM by default |
| 00:21.00 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: very few debian users come straight from windows |
| 00:21.07 | RichiH | mikeshouse2004: basically, you do apt-get install wantyouwanttoinstall |
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| 00:21.16 | nailbiter | mdh: hey, FSF != Debian. :) |
| 00:21.17 | Alogon | nailbiter: it was installed via apt-get install kernel-image-bla bla bla |
| 00:21.21 | mikeshouse2004 | oh ok, so just like on fedora |
| 00:21.25 | caphuso | mdh: the FSF has nothing to do with debian |
| 00:21.29 | mikeshouse2004 | apt-get install gnome |
| 00:21.35 | greycat | mdh: exim's not that hard to remove, either. |
| 00:21.36 | mdh | caphuso: guilty by association |
| 00:21.38 | RichiH | mikeshouse2004: yes |
| 00:21.40 | sleazegr1nder | mdh: twm seems to be mandatory if you want X |
| 00:21.43 | nailbiter | Alogon: ok. do you remember the name of the package? :) |
| 00:21.46 | greycat | sleazegr1nder: it is not. |
| 00:21.46 | mdh | greycat: I know, but that's not my point |
| 00:21.49 | caphuso | and exim isn't pathetic |
| 00:21.53 | mseney | kjoonlee, theres not an option there for that |
| 00:21.56 | nailbiter | Alogon: do a -- dpkg -l kernel-image\* -- if you can't .. |
| 00:21.56 | Alogon | nailbiter: yea it was kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7 |
| 00:21.59 | mikeshouse2004 | hey, do all debians put words into others mouths? |
| 00:22.01 | greycat | exim's good enough for the majority of debian end users |
| 00:22.06 | mikeshouse2004 | I never said force a default... |
| 00:22.07 | kjoonlee | mseney: I'm running GNOME 2.6. |
| 00:22.07 | sleazegr1nder | greycat: It was in woody iirc |
| 00:22.09 | webfreak | all debians? |
| 00:22.11 | kjoonlee | mseney: in SID. |
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| 00:22.13 | nailbiter | Alogon: oh, in that case, 'dpkg --listfiles kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7 | grep intel8x0'? |
| 00:22.22 | webfreak | heh |
| 00:22.28 | mdh | < mikeshouse2004> so a window manager won't be automatically installed for me? |
| 00:22.29 | mseney | kjoonlee, i have no idea what version of gnome im using...but this is sarge |
| 00:22.33 | mdh | < mikeshouse2004> so a window manager won't be automatically installed for me? |
| 00:22.41 | greycat | sleazegr1nder: no, you ARE NOT forced to install twm or x-window-system, you can install x-window-system-core or manually take xserver-xfree86 xlibs xbase-clients xfonts-base etc. |
| 00:22.47 | kjoonlee | mseney: sarge should have GNOME 2.6 as well, I think. |
| 00:22.47 | mikeshouse2004 | after I said, so there is no default |
| 00:22.57 | mseney | kjoonlee, how can you check? |
| 00:23.00 | greycat | sleazegr1nder: if YOU chose the easy route, then you get some extra stuff that you get to delete afterward. |
| 00:23.02 | mikeshouse2004 | a default is a default, that can be changed |
| 00:23.03 | directhex | no, no default. |
| 00:23.04 | Alogon | nailbiter: same results, btw when i do uname -r i get "2.6.7-1-k7" :-) |
| 00:23.04 | greycat | sleazegr1nder: it's not that hard |
| 00:23.08 | mikeshouse2004 | if no other is selected! |
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| 00:23.30 | Alogon | nailbiter: same results, btw when i do uname -r i get "2.6.7-1-k7" :- |
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| 00:23.35 | Alogon | hold up |
| 00:23.36 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: there's a "probable default" of twm if you just install "x-window-system" and nothing else. But most people install something else too. |
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| 00:23.50 | nailbiter | Alogon: hm, very strange. :) does 'dpkg -l kernel-image-\*' tell you the version of your kernel package? |
| 00:23.51 | Alogon | nailbiter: i think i am screwing us with a space between intel and 18x0 |
| 00:23.52 | kjoonlee | mseney: you run dpkg -l gnome-theme |
| 00:23.55 | kjoonlee | mseney: you run dpkg -l gnome-themes |
| 00:23.57 | mikeshouse2004 | thanks grey cat |
| 00:24.08 | mikeshouse2004 | so basically after the install I will looking at the command line... |
| 00:24.13 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: yes |
| 00:24.20 | mikeshouse2004 | at which point I will have to apt-get install gnome |
| 00:24.21 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, yes. |
| 00:24.27 | mseney | kjoonlee, from where? |
| 00:24.34 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, if you want gnome, then why not |
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| 00:24.45 | mikeshouse2004 | oh ok, not so bad |
| 00:24.46 | Alogon | nailbiter: after taking out the space the dpkg --listfiles kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7 | grep intel8x0 returns nothing |
| 00:24.54 | mikeshouse2004 | just curious which wm do you guys use? |
| 00:24.55 | kjoonlee | mseney: Well, um, from a command line, I think. |
| 00:25.06 | nailbiter | Alogon: ok. :) looks like you're missing some ALSA modules .. |
| 00:25.07 | greycat | !polls |
| 00:25.07 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> |
| 00:25.11 | kjoonlee | mseney: a terminal window such as xterm would be nice. |
| 00:25.13 | amphi | mikeshouse2004: gnu screen :) |
| 00:25.25 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, xfce4 |
| 00:25.29 | mseney | kjoonlee, it was a tar.bz2 that i unzipped |
| 00:25.35 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: blackbox, wmaker, icewm, fvwm, sawfish, fluxbox, kde are all quite popular |
| 00:25.36 | mseney | the galaxy theme |
| 00:25.43 | nailbiter | Alogon: did you get this kernel package from the main debian archive, via apt-get? |
| 00:25.49 | kjoonlee | mseney: was it a GNOME2 theme? |
| 00:25.51 | T_VoiD | Alogon: it's in alsa-modules |
| 00:25.51 | mseney | kjoonlee, isn't dpkg for .deb packages |
| 00:25.52 | Alogon | nailbiter: yes sir |
| 00:25.58 | mikeshouse2004 | is there one that works best with debian... |
| 00:26.05 | T_VoiD | Alogon: or at least it's in the package you build from alsa-sources |
| 00:26.07 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: no |
| 00:26.18 | mikeshouse2004 | for instance for some reason kde is buggy on fedora and gnome is buggy mandrake |
| 00:26.20 | greycat | !tell mikeshouse2004 about popcon |
| 00:26.21 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, "all of them". except non-included ones like rox |
| 00:26.29 | mseney | kjoonlee, pretty sure i downloadied it from http://art.gnome.org/ |
| 00:26.35 | cockroach | how can i change the maximum number of gruops a user can be in? does the kernel manage that limit? |
| 00:26.39 | nailbiter | Alogon: oh very strange. :) ok .. hang on .. lemme double-check .. |
| 00:26.45 | cockroach | s/gruops/groups/ |
| 00:26.45 | greycat | cockroach: it's a kernel limit, defined in a header file somewhere |
| 00:26.55 | greycat | cockroach: I believe it's either 16 or 32 |
| 00:27.00 | kjoonlee | mseney: Did you try clicking on "Install Theme" from the link I told you? |
| 00:27.12 | T_VoiD | Alogon: oh well 2.6.x sorry. should be in kernel yes, thought that was 2.4.x |
| 00:27.19 | cockroach | greycat: must be > 26, apparently :) - thanks |
| 00:27.34 | mikeshouse2004 | ..will most of my hardware work "out of the box", or will I most likely be googling for hours the first couple of days? |
| 00:27.41 | greycat | usr/include/linux/limits.h:#define NGROUPS_MAX 32 /* supplemental group IDs are available */ |
| 00:27.46 | cockroach | greycat: is there a good reason for that limit (-> a reason for me NOT to change it, if i ever figure out how to)? |
| 00:27.52 | cockroach | greycat: oh, thanks! |
| 00:27.55 | mseney | kjoonlee, from a tar.bz2 file? |
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| 00:28.01 | mseney | kjoonlee, that doesn't work |
| 00:28.03 | greycat | cockroach: I've never attempted to change it |
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| 00:28.43 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, that's sorta kernel dependant. if your hardware is supported by the kernels avaikable to you (e.g. 2.4.26 and 2.6.6 for installing sarge), then no problem |
| 00:29.10 | mikeshouse2004 | oh, so I can install debian with the 2.6 kernel? |
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| 00:29.21 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: in sarge, yes. woody, no. |
| 00:29.39 | mikeshouse2004 | greycat: what is the difference between them, sarge, woody? |
| 00:29.43 | greycat | !sarge |
| 00:29.43 | dpkg | Fall in! Ten-HUT! Sarge is the new 'testing' version of Debian, which will become stable soon. You can help test it: ask me about "d-i" or see the #debian-boot topic. ask me aabout <sarge stable> |
| 00:29.56 | nailbiter | Alogon: $ find -name \*intel\* |
| 00:29.59 | nailbiter | Alogon: ./lib/modules/2.6.7-1-k7/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko |
| 00:30.09 | mikeshouse2004 | oh ok... |
| 00:30.12 | nailbiter | Alogon: hmmm! :) |
| 00:30.20 | mikeshouse2004 | are any of you using sarge yet? |
| 00:30.22 | greycat | dpkg sarge =~ s/aabout/about/ |
| 00:30.22 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 00:30.31 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: lots of people |
| 00:30.32 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, some have been using it for months & years. |
| 00:30.38 | Alogon | nailbiter: first command returned nothing |
| 00:30.55 | mikeshouse2004 | I know it says it will be stable soon.... |
| 00:30.57 | nailbiter | Alogon: Can you download and install this package? http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.7-i386/kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7_2.6.7-2_i386.deb |
| 00:31.05 | mikeshouse2004 | but is it stable enough now for everyday use |
| 00:31.11 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: for most people, yes |
| 00:31.18 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, there are always 3 debian trees - stable, testing, and unstable. sarge has been in testing for a very long time, and should oust woody as stable soon |
| 00:31.18 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: for life support systems? probably not. |
| 00:31.32 | mikeshouse2004 | :) |
| 00:31.40 | nailbiter | Alogon: i've looked inside that package and know that there's an intel8x0 driver in there. :) so try grabbing that .. |
| 00:31.53 | Alogon | nailbiter: one sec |
| 00:32.07 | mikeshouse2004 | do you guys know of debian being used in business at all? |
| 00:32.08 | troubled | greycat: *nod* |
| 00:32.25 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: define "business". does non-profit count? |
| 00:32.28 | nailbiter | mikeshouse2004: i know of some businesses practically running on Debian. :) |
| 00:32.32 | mikeshouse2004 | ya |
| 00:32.37 | amphi | mikeshouse2004: you need debian enterprise datacenter for that |
| 00:32.47 | troubled | amphi: lol |
| 00:32.50 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, define "business". i've been applying for a few sysadmin jobs that involve debian |
| 00:32.53 | greycat | I use Debian 3.0 (woody) as the primary DNS/NIS server for the department of neurology, cleveland clinic |
| 00:32.54 | mikeshouse2004 | I went into Lowes the other day and saw that their computers were running linux... |
| 00:32.56 | troubled | mikeshouse2004: I run an auction hall on it |
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| 00:33.00 | mikeshouse2004 | but couldn't tell which flavor |
| 00:33.01 | mdh | mikeshouse2004: my business runs on debian unstable :) |
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| 00:33.16 | nailbiter | mikeshouse2004: at my previous job, we had an entire web farm running on Debian .. |
| 00:33.17 | kjoonlee | mseney: Hm. I can't get it to work either. |
| 00:33.19 | mdh | (well, its not my business, I just work for them) |
| 00:33.36 | troubled | mikeshouse2004: well, not my auction, but I handle computers, and yes, its debian. originally sold II software distributed in a custom slackware setup though, since converted :) |
| 00:33.39 | FlimFlamMan | any recommendations for server monitoring software? i want to know host/service status for a number of linux and windows boxes |
| 00:33.42 | mikeshouse2004 | I think one last question... |
| 00:33.43 | kjoonlee | brb |
| 00:33.44 | nailbiter | FlimFlamMan: 'mon'? |
| 00:33.56 | mdh | FlimFlamMan: nagios |
| 00:34.05 | caphuso | nailbiter: man apt-cache |
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| 00:34.09 | mikeshouse2004 | do I need anymore than the cd1 to get up and running |
| 00:34.13 | Alogon | nailbiter: i can just apt-get those right, or should i go download them? |
| 00:34.19 | amphi | mikeshouse2004: no |
| 00:34.24 | troubled | mikeshouse2004: not if you have net access |
| 00:34.36 | troubled | mikeshouse2004: well, net gets you stuff not on cd1 of course :) |
| 00:34.49 | mdh | mikeshouse2004: depends, you may need extra drivers but in terms of software all the base afaik fits on cd1 |
| 00:34.51 | FlimFlamMan | nailbiter, mdh: thx - will check them out. any thoughts on the differences between nagios and mon? |
| 00:34.51 | nailbiter | Alogon: well, you can do either -- as long as you can find a kernel package with the intel8x0 driver in it. :) |
| 00:34.56 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, less than that, really. 50mb business card netinst cd will do |
| 00:35.06 | greycat | directhex: depending on his hardware |
| 00:35.11 | mikeshouse2004 | gotcha, so I can download cd1, install, reboot into the os and apt-get everything from that point? |
| 00:35.32 | troubled | mikeshouse2004: assuming your nic is supported in the wooday 2.4.18 kernel |
| 00:35.48 | mdh | FlimFlamMan: a slice of cheese and a hamburger with the lot |
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| 00:35.56 | mikeshouse2004 | well, I will be downloading sarge most likley |
| 00:36.08 | mikeshouse2004 | I have had way to many problems with pre 2.4.23 kernels |
| 00:36.12 | FlimFlamMan | which is which :-) |
| 00:36.16 | troubled | mikeshouse2004: try get the debian installer then |
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| 00:36.28 | directhex | greycat, if you're at a stage where, say, your network card isn't supported, you're already in a shit spot for getting it working after installing, as you're assuming you can get ahold of all the build requirements for whatever shit non-kernel hardware is playing up |
| 00:36.29 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: /msg dpkg d-i in case you missed it |
| 00:36.29 | nailbiter | FlimFlamMan: nagios is a heavy-duty network monitoring system. mon is a motley collection of Perl scripts and modules. |
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| 00:36.39 | troubled | mikeshouse2004: its rc1 iirc and needs some testing. Im pretty sure it will let you choose between woody/sarge/sid |
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| 00:36.43 | greycat | directhex: that's why a full CD #1 is very nice. |
| 00:36.51 | greycat | directhex: has build-essential and kernel-package and so on |
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| 00:37.37 | troubled | directhex: always keep a copy of latest kernels and patches on a spare cdr ;) |
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| 00:37.37 | mikeshouse2004 | ok, I've wiped my system several times before, the worst that will happen is I'll do it again... |
| 00:37.53 | mikeshouse2004 | and the best that will happen is I will finally find a linux flavor I am happy with |
| 00:37.54 | troubled | mikeshouse2004: practice makes perfect |
| 00:37.58 | mikeshouse2004 | so here goes! |
| 00:38.04 | Alogon | nailbiter: i have the kernel-image-2.6.7-i386 sitting in home now, let me dpkg -i it |
| 00:38.07 | greycat | troubled: I wish I had a CD-RW for it instead. my CD-R is at 2.4.25 I think. |
| 00:38.21 | mikeshouse2004 | thanks all! |
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| 00:38.53 | troubled | greycat: i find cdrw's a pain when it comes to multiple machines since not all read. I tend to just leave the session open and use that to keep latest copies on it |
| 00:38.57 | kjoonlee | Has everyone heard of the GNOME fork? What will happen to the GNOME knife and spoon? |
| 00:39.07 | troubled | greycat: but last time I forgot to mount the cdr in udf mode ;) |
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| 00:39.08 | greycat | troubled: ah... I need to learn how to do that. |
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| 00:39.20 | Alogon | nailbiter: i got a dpio: /lib/modules/modprobe.conf no such file or directory |
| 00:39.22 | sussudio | !fruitsmite kjoonlee |
| 00:39.23 | troubled | greycat: I cheat though, (ez cd creator in windows) |
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| 00:39.37 | ludi | g4lt: is netatalk the name of the appletalk service? |
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| 00:39.43 | Alogon | nailbiter: still says installation successful though |
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| 00:39.58 | nailbiter | Alogon: ignore that modprobe.conf warning. |
| 00:40.33 | Alogon | nailbiter: ok it installed just fine :-) |
| 00:40.44 | mama_pitufo | I'm trying to boot a debian woody system with a custom kernel built from vanilla 2.4.27 and I get 'crc error - System halted' right after LILO loads the image and tries to boot it. Is it a hardware problem or should I look somewhere else? |
| 00:40.49 | troubled | greycat: mind you, for the cost of a blank cd, its prolly just easier to put latest kernels and grsec patchs on new cd's each time :) |
| 00:40.50 | nailbiter | Alogon: soo .. did you _finally_ get your 'snd-intel8x0.ko' file? |
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| 00:41.44 | abrotman | mama_pitufo: why are you trying to do that? |
| 00:42.08 | carrett | !dbugs 264134 |
| 00:42.11 | dpkg | #264134:[ifupdown] Removes ifstate during boot, then fails to bring interfaces up because ifstate doesn't exist (experimental) |
| 00:42.24 | Vilim | what exactly does the "with debian patches" entail in the kernel-source-2.6.7 package (what was put in/taken out). I had heard that the debian hackers were stripping the kernel of the bytecode in it, so is this a castrated version for those who must be pure GPL? |
| 00:42.28 | carrett | i just got warned about that in my daily update on my sid box... |
| 00:42.34 | Alogon | nailbiter: i dont think so :-\ |
| 00:42.57 | mama_pitufo | abrotman, trying to do what? boot with a custom kernel? The system was having trouble with the kernel it had (another custom built one, it is a colo machine) so I tried with another one that was targeted at the machine |
| 00:43.09 | abrotman | !special installers |
| 00:43.09 | dpkg | i heard special installers is http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or http://oss.sns.ro/Hilux.html |
| 00:43.14 | carrett | should i update? |
| 00:43.15 | Alogon | nailbiter: did -dpkg --listfiles kernel-image-2.6.7-1-386 | grep intel18x0 with no result :-( |
| 00:43.24 | abrotman | mama_pitufo: hilux is a little better .. i think it's just woody with a newer kernel |
| 00:43.36 | abrotman | mama_pitufo: but i can't help you with the crc thing .. google didn't say anyhting? |
| 00:43.42 | abrotman | !crc |
| 00:43.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, crc is (Cyclic Redundancy Check) A mathematical calculation that produces a number that can be used to check the integrity of a file by regenerating the number and comparing the results. |
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| 00:43.49 | nailbiter | Alogon: if you're running 2.6.7-1-k7 right now, you cannot load 2.6.7-1-386 kernel modules! |
| 00:44.11 | mama_pitufo | abrotman, most of the reports say it is hw problem |
| 00:44.27 | Alogon | nailbiter: so do i need to boot into 2.5.7-1-386? or how can i search for them? |
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| 00:44.36 | abrotman | mama_pitufo: but it's a colo box? |
| 00:44.41 | mama_pitufo | abrotman, I'm just trying to be really sure to include it in a report and cover my ass :) |
| 00:44.57 | abrotman | mama_pitufo: i guess you could try to have htem load the sarge installer .. |
| 00:45.01 | abrotman | or try a live cd |
| 00:45.01 | nailbiter | Alogon: but why not download the 2.6.7-1-686 package I gave you a URL for? |
| 00:45.05 | kjoonlee | Alogon: do dpkg -L kernel-image-2.6.7-1-k7 | grep intel8x0, not intel18x0 |
| 00:45.17 | tak__ | does anyone know what ports does X11 use to display appz remotelly? |
| 00:45.35 | tak__ | i need to modify my fwall but im not sure which ports are they |
| 00:45.38 | tak__ | anyone know? |
| 00:45.43 | greycat | tak__: debian's x server does NOT listen on tcp by default. |
| 00:45.50 | abrotman | 6000 ? |
| 00:45.52 | greycat | tak__: use X11 forwarding in ssh instead. /msg dpkg sshx |
| 00:46.02 | kjoonlee | Alogon: substitue -1- with -2- if neccessary. |
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| 00:46.03 | abrotman | oh .. that's no fun |
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| 00:46.14 | tak__ | yeah but i need to know the ports |
| 00:46.17 | tak__ | is it only 6000? |
| 00:46.19 | greycat | abrotman: ssh is sexy. |
| 00:46.20 | amblin | any idea why my ssh-agent will forget it's keys and "disconnect" from my run X session? |
| 00:46.20 | nailbiter | tak__: 6000 = :0, 6001 = :1, 6000 + X = :X. |
| 00:46.22 | abrotman | is the milk holy too? |
| 00:46.24 | Alogon | kjoonlee: son of a, that found it (the first command) |
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| 00:46.25 | greycat | tak__: if you use ssh, it's 22. |
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| 00:46.33 | abrotman | greycat: it hasn't gotten me laid recently :) |
| 00:46.41 | tak__ | nailbiter: thankyou |
| 00:46.48 | nailbiter | kjoonlee: sharp eyes. :) |
| 00:46.56 | mikeshouse2004 | ok, I'm at the download page....do I want netinst cd image or businesscard cd image |
| 00:47.00 | kjoonlee | nailbiter: Nobody noticed? :) |
| 00:47.04 | tak__ | greycat: 22 is for ssh but X11 uses other ports to send graphic information |
| 00:47.08 | nailbiter | kjoonlee: not me. :) and certainly not him. |
| 00:47.11 | abrotman | netinst |
| 00:47.20 | Covener | uh oh |
| 00:47.28 | Alogon | nailbiter: alright the probablem was me :-P i found our files |
| 00:47.32 | greycat | tak__: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 00:47.33 | nailbiter | Alogon: can you try loading that module by hand, now? |
| 00:47.44 | abrotman | !tell tak__ about sshx |
| 00:47.46 | greycat | tak__: if you use ssh X11 forwarding, it DOES NOT use any other port than 22. |
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| 00:48.03 | mr_butter | anyone knwo where I can find a good netinst image? |
| 00:48.04 | Alogon | nailbiter: hate to ask, but how? |
| 00:48.07 | abrotman | tak__: ssh forwarding for X is much better for you |
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| 00:48.11 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 00:48.11 | dpkg | well, netinst is a 32M bootable ISO which installs the base Debian system. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for downloads and instructions. you can also use >=2 disks [1) rescue.bin 2) root.bin] check http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs, or http://www.phy.olemiss.edu/debian-cd/ or http://iso.linux.hr/debian/minicd/ or http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ |
| 00:48.13 | tak__ | abrotman: thank you |
| 00:48.17 | abrotman | uhm |
| 00:48.22 | mseney | kjoonlee, i think im going to open my case up tommorow and right everything in there down and go from there |
| 00:48.23 | mr_butter | you type damn fast |
| 00:48.31 | nailbiter | Alogon: 'modprobe snd-intel8x0' |
| 00:48.33 | kjoonlee | mseney: Which soundcard do you use? |
| 00:48.35 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 00:48.35 | dpkg | d-i is, like, at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 00:48.40 | Hansgnu | anybody know how to configure adsl modem to conect using USB? |
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| 00:49.01 | michael12345 | Trying to setup vlans |
| 00:49.04 | mseney | kjoonlee, ESS which lsmod shows loading maestro3 which i don't even see on the alsa website |
| 00:49.13 | mseney | kjoonlee, i think i need to add my card to the /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 00:49.14 | Alogon | nailbiter: think it worked |
| 00:49.17 | greycat | dpkg, d-i =~ s/at http/the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http/ |
| 00:49.17 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 00:49.19 | carrett | has anyone else updated a sid box today? apt-listbugs is warning me about bug 264134 and i'm wondering if it's being overactive (ie the bug is only in experimental, not sid) or if i should hold off the update? |
| 00:49.23 | nailbiter | Alogon: 'cat /proc/asound/cards'? |
| 00:49.41 | kjoonlee | mseney: ESS cards should be nicely supported. |
| 00:49.45 | Alogon | nailbiter: found it |
| 00:49.45 | michael12345 | Where do you get vconfig for debian. Or what package do I need for vlans I have enabled it in the kernel |
| 00:49.51 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=264134 |
| 00:49.52 | nicoram | hi |
| 00:49.53 | abrotman | says experimental |
| 00:49.58 | mikeshouse2004 | ok..downloading netinst image |
| 00:50.00 | mseney | kjoonlee, i think my kernel sees it on boot but i have something not configured correctly |
| 00:50.00 | abrotman | carrett: ^^ |
| 00:50.10 | Alogon | got alsa to start :-) |
| 00:50.16 | nailbiter | Alogon: funky. now, try test playing some MP3s? |
| 00:50.28 | nicoram | espanol |
| 00:50.32 | greycat | !spanish |
| 00:50.32 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 00:50.41 | mseney | kjoonlee, actually i have alot not correctly configured lolz...will take a few weeks im sure to sort all of it out |
| 00:50.49 | Alogon | nailbiter: tested it with point2play :-P works great |
| 00:50.49 | mikeshouse2004 | does anyone know if my graphic card with have 3d acell or do you know where I can look to find out ATI Radeon 8500 |
| 00:50.52 | mseney | kjoonlee, you'll prob see me in here alot for awhile lolz |
| 00:50.58 | carrett | abrotman, ok, but does that affect the version that sid wants to update to? |
| 00:51.00 | nicoram | eso espa;ol que casi no entiendo |
| 00:51.09 | abrotman | carrett: see what version sid is trying to install |
| 00:51.10 | nailbiter | Alogon: yay. :) |
| 00:51.13 | mseney | mikeshouse2004, radeons are a pain in the arse to get going in linux period |
| 00:51.17 | Alogon | nailbiter: now it is time for me to terrorize the zone trying to figure out how to get my radeon 9000 to do some hardware acceleration |
| 00:51.20 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, you need ati's binary driver for anything approaching useable 3d |
| 00:51.20 | abrotman | carrett: apt-cache show whatever |
| 00:51.37 | Alogon | nailbiter: err chanel not zone |
| 00:51.37 | mikeshouse2004 | great...here we go |
| 00:51.43 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, bear in mind ati's binmary driver is a joke compared to nvidia's, and you'd be better off with a cheap geforce |
| 00:51.57 | mseney | i agree |
| 00:51.58 | Ardavon | I'm getting the error in dmesg 'Unable to handle 64-bit address for device 02:0c.0' whay? |
| 00:52.00 | abrotman | directhex: you really like riding that boat :) |
| 00:52.01 | Ardavon | *why |
| 00:52.01 | nicoram | es la primera vez que puedo navegar en linux desde mi casa |
| 00:52.05 | nailbiter | Alogon: now, there's the problem of getting your module to load at boot time. 'echo snd-intel8x0 >>/etc/modules' is very crude, but works. |
| 00:52.06 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, 2d works immediately. 3d doesn't |
| 00:52.08 | abrotman | !spanish |
| 00:52.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 00:52.11 | kjoonlee | Alogon: apt-get install xlibmesa-dri |
| 00:52.15 | directhex | abrotman, benchmarks speak louder than words |
| 00:52.16 | mikeshouse2004 | well I have an old geforce 16mb card...still better than my 64mb radeon? |
| 00:52.17 | mseney | i have the radeon 9000 and wish i had my old geforce mx again |
| 00:52.26 | nicoram | lol ok |
| 00:52.32 | abrotman | directhex: perhaps .. but he already owns an ati .. and i dont think he said if he wanted to play games or not |
| 00:52.42 | carrett | abrotman, wtf? i have to use bugs.d.o AND apt-listbugs? i want an all-in-one tool that tells me only bugs pertinent to my system! |
| 00:52.52 | abrotman | carrett: don't bitch at me |
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| 00:52.56 | mseney | well i gotta go before my girlfriend kills me lolz - later all! |
| 00:52.59 | abrotman | carrett: become a DD .. change the world |
| 00:53.03 | greycat | maybe someone broke into ibm's web server and replaced the IBM docs with english ones |
| 00:53.03 | carrett | abrotman, sorry, i didn't mean to bitch at you |
| 00:53.05 | mikeshouse2004 | I'm not puting deb down or anything...but I just don't understand why a graphics card doesn't work off the bat |
| 00:53.13 | Alogon | nailbiter: done :-) |
| 00:53.14 | carrett | abrotman, no, i just like to be a bitchy user |
| 00:53.18 | directhex | benchmarks where, say, a geforce ti 4200 beats a radeon 9800xt (2 generations more recent, and £150 more expensive) benchmarks at 33% slower in a high-detail opengl bench |
| 00:53.23 | abrotman | carrett: they made #gentoo for that |
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| 00:53.32 | Alogon | kjoonlee: xlibmesa-dri is already the newist version |
| 00:53.35 | carrett | abrotman, nice |
| 00:53.39 | nailbiter | greycat: i don't think the DeveloperWorks columnists are the usual IBM technical writers. :) Even Daniel Robbins (former Gentoo head) wrote for them at one time .. |
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| 00:54.01 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, because the big gfx companies keep thweir drivers secret, and it's a pain to try to support non-free (i.e. not officiall ypproved in debian) stuff that cludges into the system out of the box |
| 00:54.04 | abrotman | directhex: bah .. if i had an ati card .. i wouldn't go buy an nvidia card for a 25% improvement |
| 00:54.28 | abrotman | but .. i don't have that option wiht my laptop .. so i don't care :) |
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| 00:54.35 | directhex | mikeshouse2004, http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html for ati-on-debian |
| 00:54.43 | abrotman | !ati drivers |
| 00:54.43 | dpkg | debs of the binary ATI drivers are at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html (requires that the 'rpm' package be installed) Be sure to *modularize* both the AGP GART and the Radeon DRM options in your custom kernel (under Character Devices). ATI's binary driver does NOT support 9700 mobility radeon. |
| 00:54.50 | abrotman | oh .. same place |
| 00:54.54 | mikeshouse2004 | but my card has full 3d accel on fedora, but not mandrake, or debian |
| 00:54.55 | nicoram | how make_ |
| 00:54.58 | directhex | abrotman, no, that's not 25% improvement with a new card, that's 33% loss by buying a top of the range ati rather than a 18-month-old nvidia |
| 00:55.08 | mikeshouse2004 | anyway, no use wining about it |
| 00:55.10 | amblin | running sid, ssh-agent spawns my gnome session, i can ssh-add fine. but after a period of time, I am prompted for my passphrase on servers i should be, i try to ssh-add again, says agent can't be found. it still shows in the process list. any ideas? |
| 00:55.28 | abrotman | directhex: i didn't say i was buying either to start .. i already have an ATI |
| 00:55.38 | abrotman | whining |
| 00:55.44 | nicoram | how make...... |
| 00:55.49 | mikeshouse2004 | ya :) |
| 00:55.52 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: the nvidia 3d drivers are non-free, therefore debian cannot distribute them on CD. |
| 00:55.54 | nailbiter | amblin: something might have clobbered your /tmp/ssh-* agent socket. |
| 00:56.00 | greycat | mikeshouse2004: /msg dpkg nvidia debs |
| 00:56.03 | abrotman | directhex: are there any games for linux that even stress the video cards(abrotman is not a linux gamer) |
| 00:56.10 | amblin | nailbiter: ahh ok. will look for that |
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| 00:56.31 | directhex | abrotman, unreal tournament 2004 is a good example, and doom3 will be another within a few weeks |
| 00:56.33 | amblin | nailbiter: debian have a tmp file reaper? |
| 00:56.37 | mikeshouse2004 | thanks dbkg |
| 00:56.37 | greycat | abrotman: Loki had some commercial titles that could. |
| 00:56.48 | greycat | amblin: only at boot time |
| 00:56.52 | abrotman | directhex: maybe ill try a demo some day and see how bad it really is |
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| 00:57.01 | nailbiter | amblin: none is installed by default (although the boot scripts do clear /tmp at system startup). |
| 00:57.02 | abrotman | greycat: loki hasn't put out a game in like 3 years |
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| 00:57.09 | greycat | abrotman: they went out of business |
| 00:57.09 | directhex | abrotman, ut2004 has a penguin on the box, and a linux-installer.sh on the discs. |
| 00:57.14 | abrotman | greycat: im well aware |
| 00:57.15 | directhex | loki went under years ago |
| 00:57.29 | abrotman | yes .. i think we all know how that guy screwed the employees |
| 00:57.45 | abrotman | there were quite a few post mortem dissections of lokigames |
| 00:57.51 | mikeshouse2004 | well my install cd is ready..here goes |
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| 00:58.08 | mikeshouse2004 | thanks again everyone, hopefully will be back soon to say how it went |
| 00:58.14 | abrotman | weeeee |
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| 00:58.21 | abrotman | !luck mikeshouse2004 |
| 00:58.28 | greycat | another victi^H^H^H^H^H member of the Debian family! |
| 00:58.29 | abrotman | oh well |
| 01:00.52 | directhex | abrotman, http://www.atari-webcenter.com/friends/?module=friends&action=viewDownloadPage&id=22 |
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| 01:01.20 | lostone | how can you make your box not reply to ping requests? |
| 01:01.26 | greycat | Is "keeping the session open" the same thing as "creating a multi-session CD"? |
| 01:01.36 | greycat | lostone: ask #iptables |
| 01:01.38 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.51 | cafuego | icmp echo-request even |
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| 01:02.06 | abrotman | directhex: modem is no fun for that |
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| 01:02.26 | directhex | abrotman, but it heightens anticipation! |
| 01:02.54 | nailbiter | greycat: yes. it also means not writing a final TOC and hence allowing further sessions to be mastered to disc .. |
| 01:02.58 | directhex | abrotman, i remember downloaing beos 5 personal on 28k dialup. twice, as first mirror was corrupt... |
| 01:03.10 | lostone | cafuego: thanks |
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| 01:03.49 | abrotman | directhex: well .. doesn't that suck :) |
| 01:04.14 | cafuego | ouch, my eyes |
| 01:04.15 | directhex | abrotman, downloading hundreds of megs on dialup, or beos? |
| 01:04.35 | abrotman | both |
| 01:04.40 | abrotman | beos was ok |
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| 01:05.21 | greycat | Oh joy. "A denial of service vulnerability, open to certain malformed messages have been discovered in SpamAssassin." Affected packages p5-Mail-SpamAssassin < 2.64 |
| 01:05.39 | abrotman | oh you've gotta be kidding |
| 01:05.46 | abrotman | there are hardware boxes running that |
| 01:06.04 | greycat | abrotman: got it from the OpenBSD ports security announcement list |
| 01:06.08 | abrotman | greycat: url? |
| 01:06.35 | directhex | abrotman, beos was the main reason i couldn't understand the user-unfreindly mess that was linux until very recently. it was, and still is, just great. little things like 10-second-boot times, and a scheduler trained well enoguh to never drop a frame when playing 4 movies at once & starting a heavy app like moz, on an old p3. windows can't cope with one video whilst loading apps... |
| 01:07.12 | directhex | on a 2 gig p4 |
| 01:07.36 | abrotman | directhex: it was nice .. even if i could only get B&W |
| 01:07.47 | cafuego | that's not surprising, p4s suck |
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| 01:08.19 | greycat | abrotman: http://spamassassin.apache.org/ is not the security announcement but does mention "DoS" |
| 01:08.50 | Guerin | directhex: so how does it manage this seemingly impossible feat of engineering? A p3 only has so much cpu to give... |
| 01:08.56 | deadcat | GUI on server rocks. (= or is it Server Softwares on Desktop. hehehe |
| 01:09.13 | directhex | Guerin, buggered if i know, i'm not an os engineer |
| 01:09.35 | abrotman | beos was good .. and still is |
| 01:09.41 | abrotman | i wish it was still in development |
| 01:09.41 | directhex | deadcat, windows on the servers, linux on the desktops. only way to keep windows stable is not touching it |
| 01:09.46 | thomas_adam | If you use X on a server, something is wrong... |
| 01:10.05 | abrotman | or it's running oracle |
| 01:10.06 | deadcat | directhex: hgehehe... then my desktop is rockin (= |
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| 01:10.12 | Guerin | directhex: well, I'd love to see my celery500 play even ONE fullscreen, software-scaled video while doing other things in the background... |
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| 01:10.40 | Alogon | alright, now my X is not wanting to come up, i am getting a xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/psaux, but ls -l /dev/psaux looks to be just fine |
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| 01:10.54 | greycat | Alogon: 2.6.x kernel? |
| 01:11.02 | abrotman | greycat: that's even a few days old |
| 01:11.04 | Alogon | greycat: yes ser |
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| 01:11.10 | greycat | Alogon: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 01:11.13 | Alogon | grecat: or sir rather |
| 01:11.14 | sylvio | hi all |
| 01:11.21 | sylvio | somebody have ati radeon igp 340m in laptop? |
| 01:11.23 | T_VoiD | Alogon: there's the legacy psaux option to compile afaik |
| 01:11.48 | cafuego | Synapse-: no, but do have a 320 |
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| 01:14.44 | directhex | Guerin, there are a few livecds based on beos 5 you could try, purely as a curio |
| 01:15.03 | Alogon | T_VoiD: the bot send me in the right direction thanks |
| 01:15.09 | Ardavon | does anyone know if special kernel compolation flags have to be set for 64bit pci busses? |
| 01:15.11 | romulo | hi since i upgraded to kernel 2.6 my webcam(creative 3 webcam) stopped to work, when i open xawtv i get a blackscreen and under camorama i get black and white screen divided in 3 |
| 01:15.12 | Alogon | greycat: the bot send me in the right direction thanks |
| 01:15.15 | NeoSadist | anyone know a direct person-to-person chat program that can run over ssh? |
| 01:15.23 | greycat | NeoSadist: e-mail. |
| 01:15.26 | nailbiter | NeoSadist: ytalk? |
| 01:15.27 | NeoSadist | screw that |
| 01:15.28 | abrotman | talk? |
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| 01:15.40 | abrotman | NeoSadist: jabber over sll |
| 01:15.41 | greycat | NeoSadist: write(1) |
| 01:15.41 | abrotman | err ssl |
| 01:15.42 | NeoSadist | nailbiter: i installed ytalk but i didn't see anything |
| 01:16.12 | Nubisra | what's the quickest way to restore grub boot loader in debian in case Windows is reinstalled on a dual boot mation and grub is overwritten? Does debian boot cd have a recovery option? |
| 01:16.15 | nailbiter | NeoSadist: get both of you on the same machine, do a 'mesg y', then 'ytalk -x <otherguysname>'. |
| 01:16.53 | romulo | hi since i upgraded to kernel 2.6 my webcam(creative 3 webcam) stopped to work, when i open xawtv i get a blackscreen and under camorama i get black and white screen divided in 3 what can i do other than back to 2.4? |
| 01:16.54 | relex | hello |
| 01:17.09 | peterS | Nubisra: the debian 3.0 CD lets you boot with the 'rescue root=.....' or 'rescbf24 root=.....' options, yeah |
| 01:17.12 | relex | is there any reason why normal includes could not be found? >> config/util/printver.c:10:19: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:17.17 | kjoonlee | Nubisra: boot from a rescue CD, mount your root filesystem, and rerun grub? |
| 01:17.18 | NeoSadist | nailbiter: so you're saying ssh into his machine then ytalk |
| 01:17.19 | greycat | !b-e relex |
| 01:17.20 | dpkg | relex: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 01:17.24 | relex | hehe |
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| 01:17.45 | nailbiter | NeoSadist: sorry, yes. ssh into his machine, have the both of you do a 'mesg y', then 'ytalk -x <otherguysname>'. |
| 01:17.47 | Nubisra | What is the name of this RESCUE cd??? the only cd I have the is the Sarge 100meg net install |
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| 01:18.00 | kjoonlee | Nubisra: That should work too. |
| 01:18.00 | greycat | Nubisra: I'm sure that one will suffice. |
| 01:18.03 | peterS | Nubisra: well, that's why I specified debian 3.0 |
| 01:18.22 | peterS | Nubisra: the debian 3.1 (sarge) one, I think the invocation is "linux root=...." or "linux26 root=....." |
| 01:18.25 | Nubisra | okay :) thanks ... to be honest though |
| 01:18.26 | greycat | X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on pegasus.wooledge.org |
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| 01:18.28 | greycat | there we go. |
| 01:18.36 | Nubisra | I tweak my system so much .. I don't know that Sarge = 3.0 |
| 01:18.44 | Nubisra | I just know it's debian hahahaha |
| 01:18.45 | peterS | Nubisra: sarge == 3.1. woody == 3.0. |
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| 01:18.56 | Nubisra | ok Thank you everyone :) |
| 01:19.37 | directhex | is there discussion anywhere of why 3.1 and not 4.0? |
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| 01:19.44 | kjoonlee | debian_version woody=3.0, sarge=3.1, sid=3.1; |
| 01:19.51 | greycat | kjoonlee: sid = unstable = no number. |
| 01:20.13 | kjoonlee | greycat: Oh. But then why does /etc/debian_version show 3.1 for me? |
| 01:20.15 | greycat | kjoonlee: the /etc/debian_version file will say "3.1" right now, but I expect that will change soon. |
| 01:20.21 | kjoonlee | greycat: ah, thanks :) |
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| 01:20.30 | greycat | kjoonlee: consider that a temporary sarge-freeze side effect :) |
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| 01:20.40 | peterS | directhex: the real discussion would be "why should it be 4.0" |
| 01:21.31 | directhex | peterS, because it's fairly upgraded in many key areas like libc from woody? looking back over thye packages in, say, potato vs woody i'm not sure why woody got 3.0 rather than 2.3 |
| 01:21.35 | mdh | kjoonlee: you haven't edited /etc/debian_version to show "31337" instead ? |
| 01:21.42 | kjoonlee | mdh: LOL |
| 01:21.49 | peterS | directhex: well, the short answer is the release manager decided woody was just that much better |
| 01:22.05 | mdh | heeeey... I just had an idea for sid |
| 01:22.13 | mdh | 3.1337 ;) |
| 01:22.16 | kjoonlee | mdh: I might consider changing it to 1004. :) (1004 is homophonous with "angel" in Korean.) |
| 01:22.17 | peterS | directhex: anyway, libc 2.1 -> 2.2 (potato to woody) was a lot bigger, I think, than 2.2 -> 2.3 |
| 01:22.19 | webfreak | submit it in a TPS report |
| 01:22.25 | webfreak | just don't forget the cover sheet |
| 01:22.34 | peterS | directhex: and XFree86 3.3.6 -> 4.1 was a lot bigger than 4.1 -> 4.3 |
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| 01:22.54 | abrotman | cept for that xrandr thing |
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| 01:23.09 | peterS | abrotman: xrandr pales in comparison to the architecture shift from XFree86 3.3 to 4.0 |
| 01:23.13 | Guerin | apart from anything else, we don't want to fall too far behind in the Version Number Race... |
| 01:23.16 | abrotman | uh .. yeah it does |
| 01:23.25 | peterS | Guerin: we can always do what slack did |
| 01:23.34 | peterS | Guerin: 3.1 -> 9.0 |
| 01:23.37 | peterS | or similar |
| 01:23.38 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, then we'd be just like them.... |
| 01:23.44 | Guerin | hehe |
| 01:23.48 | directhex | petemc, and gcc 3.x rather than 2.95 isn't considered major? i dunno, it just seems a bit weak, considering the fairly meaty jump in useability with things like 2.6 kernels, new gcc, new installer, etc etc etc. |
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| 01:23.56 | webfreak | ok so nobody got the office space humor there |
| 01:24.04 | peterS | directhex: well, that one is somewhat major |
| 01:24.04 | directhex | bah, bloody mirc-style completion |
| 01:24.10 | mdh | version numbers are a race? surely a higher number means you made more mistakes in the first place? |
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| 01:24.20 | kjoonlee | ㄴㅁ 4~ |
| 01:24.22 | kjoonlee | hi :) |
| 01:24.28 | Guerin | mdh: heh, that's a good point |
| 01:24.28 | mdh | that's why Microsoft gave up using numbers |
| 01:24.31 | tam | anyone know if I had a mobile phone and a data cable + gnokii I will be able to run sn sms server to send free txt msgs? |
| 01:24.31 | peterS | !info gcc potato |
| 01:24.38 | nailbiter | bah .. the version number should converge on pi! |
| 01:24.45 | peterS | nailbiter: only if you're TeX |
| 01:24.46 | greycat | nailbiter: been done. |
| 01:24.47 | tam | ~info gcc potato |
| 01:24.48 | tam | ? |
| 01:24.57 | nailbiter | greycat, peterS: rats. :-/ is Euler's taken yet? |
| 01:24.58 | peterS | tam: I'm asking dpkg for the version of gcc that was in potato |
| 01:25.07 | tam | peterS: ah |
| 01:25.07 | peterS | nailbiter: you mean 'e', or something else? |
| 01:25.18 | mdh | wy not loge(3) ? |
| 01:25.20 | peterS | nailbiter: 'e' is the version number of METAFONT, which is related to TeX |
| 01:25.29 | directhex | peterS, www.distrowatch.com/debian is handy |
| 01:25.48 | webfreak | heh |
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| 01:26.03 | nailbiter | peterS: yes. rats, again. :-/ |
| 01:26.04 | dan2 | !test |
| 01:26.04 | dpkg | Yes, dan2, you're still online. |
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| 01:26.16 | Guerin | c'mon, we need to think of a really inventive naming scheme |
| 01:26.24 | Guerin | like starting from 42 and working backwards |
| 01:26.30 | peterS | Guerin: how about "etch" for the next release? |
| 01:26.37 | peterS | Guerin: (it's official, btw, if you hadn't heard) |
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| 01:26.46 | greycat | !etch |
| 01:26.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. See http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
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| 01:26.49 | lostone | cafuego: if the iptables are clear.. is there any way that ping can still be blocked? im working a server that i cleared the iptables on and i can still not ping localhost? |
| 01:26.51 | Guerin | peterS: well, since that's the subject of a bet I lost, I'm not THAT pleased... |
| 01:26.57 | peterS | heh, ok |
| 01:26.59 | Guerin | I bet on Lenny. |
| 01:26.59 | peterS | what did you bet on? |
| 01:27.02 | peterS | ahh |
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| 01:27.13 | greycat | Guerin: 'twas a good guess. |
| 01:27.17 | directhex | ooh, first i've heard |
| 01:27.25 | directhex | damnit, i was nowhere near |
| 01:27.32 | peterS | directhex: what did you figure it would be? |
| 01:27.42 | Guerin | Lenny has more symbolic value, I feel. It was Lenny who looks into Sid's backyard, and therefore into the future... |
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| 01:28.28 | greycat | this is what we should have been guessing in "sarge pool", instead of release date.... |
| 01:28.45 | peterS | greycat: heh. you mean the what-follows-sarge pool, then |
| 01:28.51 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: yea it was us .25 and I'm still waiting :) |
| 01:28.52 | greycat | err, yeah |
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| 01:29.11 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: damnit. How about I send you 300krw? |
| 01:29.19 | directhex | peterS, i was leaning towards the cowgirl from toy story 2, since i couldn't think of any unused names from toy story 1. |
| 01:29.25 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: that'll work :) |
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| 01:29.59 | greycat | directhex: there's still Lenny, RC, Skud, and maybe more |
| 01:30.11 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: that'll save me panhandling for quareters on the streets of Itaewon when next I'm there... |
| 01:30.17 | greycat | although I wouldn't expect Skud to be a release name, since he's a toy-eater |
| 01:30.19 | peterS | dondelelcaro: do you know if dpkg properly indexes 'potato' these days? it said it's updating its files, but the wait has been a bit long |
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