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| 00:00.37 | Kayin | somebody has some idea about my problem ? |
| 00:00.37 | hateb0x_ | unleashed what are you using to monitor that? |
| 00:00.45 | Unleashed2k | lspci |
| 00:00.55 | hateb0x_ | nah i mean |
| 00:00.58 | hateb0x_ | whats monitoring your raid |
| 00:01.02 | hateb0x_ | like if a drive dies |
| 00:01.03 | acid-trip | jimbobjoeman, 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 00:01.05 | hateb0x_ | do you know? |
| 00:01.15 | megatux | T_VoiD: actually, this mode uses native SATA and the ata_piix driver picks them up, mapping to sda and sdb |
| 00:01.22 | jimbobjoeman | acid-trip: are you running sid.. have you done apt-get update? |
| 00:01.53 | T_VoiD | megatux: oh is that the mode for advanced users in the manual? heh |
| 00:01.59 | acid-trip | ya it's done |
| 00:02.24 | Unleashed2k | wtf! |
| 00:02.33 | hateb0x_ | can anyone tell me their permissions on /var/log/exim? |
| 00:02.42 | T_VoiD | megatux: what I meant before, is that sata_piix DOESN'T use libata. it works in 2.4.x but not in 2.6.x |
| 00:02.58 | T_VoiD | megatux: oh wait forget it |
| 00:03.04 | Unleashed2k | im still getting: /sbin/init:424: cannot open dev/console: no such file or directory... and yet its there |
| 00:03.18 | T_VoiD | megatux: nah forget it I'm wrong and I'll stop talking about that till I try again a 2.6 |
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| 00:03.57 | Unleashed2k | !lilo |
| 00:03.57 | dpkg | i guess lilo is the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of irc.freenode.net (who isn't named after the LInux LOader) |
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| 00:04.25 | sung | apt, find /etc/bind/named.conf |
| 00:04.37 | Unleashed2k | what is lilos homepage |
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| 00:04.47 | sung | apt, find named.conf |
| 00:05.15 | sung | crap |
| 00:05.26 | Unleashed2k | what is lilo's homepage? |
| 00:05.34 | megatux | *blink* linux uses 4 version numbers now!? |
| 00:05.46 | megatux | "2.6.8.1" |
| 00:05.57 | Unleashed2k | 1 - security fix |
| 00:05.58 | Unleashed2k | or something |
| 00:06.05 | Unleashed2k | fast fix |
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| 00:06.14 | deadcat | emergency fix. |
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| 00:06.35 | staniel | is anyone having problems w/ gnome in unstable or experimental? |
| 00:06.40 | megatux | not a bad idea I suppose.. |
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| 00:07.10 | blunt | How can I find out what version of a ftp server I am running on my machine? |
| 00:07.11 | staniel | seems on my system it freezes immediatly :( |
| 00:07.25 | deadcat | blunt: dpkg -l |grep ftppkgname |
| 00:07.37 | blunt | Thanks you |
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| 00:08.07 | samuel | hey all |
| 00:08.23 | samuel | anyone here got apache working with SSI? |
| 00:08.31 | openback | hi, is there a deb for kernel 2.6.8.1? |
| 00:08.42 | deadcat | openback: apt-cache search |
| 00:09.00 | jagga | or just search packages.debian.org |
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| 00:10.17 | openback | nah, damn |
| 00:10.23 | jagga | but why use a precompiled kernel |
| 00:10.30 | jagga | compile it yourself |
| 00:10.36 | jagga | make-kpkg |
| 00:10.40 | openback | wI've been having problems with that... |
| 00:10.46 | jagga | and make your own package |
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| 00:11.19 | openback | right now I have a kernel that panics: "VFS: Cannot open root device "305" or 03:05" |
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| 00:11.42 | staniel | does anyone use gnome? |
| 00:11.43 | openback | and it seems my eth is broken in my original kernel now too |
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| 00:12.38 | openback | anyone know how i can fix the kernel? |
| 00:12.56 | Spark | with vim |
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| 00:13.04 | openback | oh NO |
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| 00:13.20 | Spark | you can change the root device with a kernel parameter |
| 00:13.24 | kruzi | hi all. using iptables, if i wanted to forward all traffic on port 5000 to another IP address... how would i do so? |
| 00:13.26 | Spark | root=/dev/hda1 or whatever |
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| 00:13.53 | Spark | kruzi: you want to 'let in' connections to a service behind NAT? |
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| 00:14.04 | openback | but 03:05 refers to /dev/hda5, right? That's where mine is installed |
| 00:14.09 | sung | Aug 21 20:17:20 ns1 named[1279]: lame server resolving 'hindipatra.com' (in 'hindipatra.com'?): 216.15.240.101#53 |
| 00:14.32 | kruzi | spark: atm i have a adsl router, the adsl router has ALL ports from 1 to 65000 forwarded to a linux machine... and now from the linux machine, i want to forward certain ports to a windows machine on the same network |
| 00:14.48 | Spark | hm |
| 00:14.52 | Spark | im not sure that'll work too well |
| 00:15.01 | Spark | the windows machine will reply via the adsl router |
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| 00:15.09 | t-jack | KSirc -does- seem to be so much clearer than xChat. At least, in KDE |
| 00:15.09 | Spark | but the adsl router will go 'but its supposed to come from the linux machine' |
| 00:15.10 | kruzi | hmm |
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| 00:15.11 | Spark | and probably reject it |
| 00:15.19 | Spark | set up the linux machine as a NAT firewall |
| 00:15.25 | Spark | then you can shape the traffic anyway |
| 00:15.29 | Spark | it'll be much better |
| 00:15.36 | kruzi | yeah |
| 00:15.47 | Spark | then the command is: |
| 00:15.50 | Spark | $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -p tcp -d $dest --dport $port -j ACCEPT |
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| 00:15.58 | Spark | or s/tcp/udp/ as appropriate |
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| 00:16.18 | kruzi | yeah but i cant run my adsl in bridged mode linked to my linux box because i dont have a straight thru cable |
| 00:16.30 | kruzi | and i cant run my adsl modem bridged to my linux box, and run the cables into a switch |
| 00:16.39 | kruzi | afaik it needs to run directly between each other |
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| 00:16.40 | kruzi | right? |
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| 00:16.52 | Spark | the only problem would be a conflict of dhcp servers |
| 00:17.03 | Spark | you'd want the machines behind the nat to get their ips from the linux machine |
| 00:17.07 | ptitcon | how do you setup an ip address for an ethernet interface ? |
| 00:17.09 | kzar | anyone here using the distmp3 thing in abcde? |
| 00:17.09 | Spark | but the router might interfere with its own dhcp server |
| 00:17.23 | kruzi | Spark: i dont run, or have a dhcp server |
| 00:17.29 | Spark | apart from that it would work, but just get a crossover cable (i dont think mine even needed a crossover cable) |
| 00:17.51 | kruzi | all machines on my lan have static addresses |
| 00:17.57 | Spark | in that case it wont matter |
| 00:18.06 | Spark | just tell them all their gateway is the linux machine |
| 00:18.09 | Spark | and set up NAT on the linux machine |
| 00:18.17 | kruzi | yeah i understand that element of it |
| 00:18.19 | kruzi | with ipmasq |
| 00:18.27 | Spark | btw i pasted the wrong iptables line, its actually $IPTABLES -t nat -A PREROUTING -i $EXTIF -p tcp --dport $dport -j DNAT --to $to |
| 00:18.30 | Spark | :) |
| 00:18.53 | openback | anyone know how to fix "VFS: Cannot open root device "305" or 03:05"? |
| 00:19.00 | kruzi | what im asking is at the moment my adsl router runs as a router, on its own completely. to do what i need to do now, the adsl router needs to be changed to bridged mode and linked to the linux box |
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| 00:19.14 | Spark | nah you can have a router followed by a router |
| 00:19.22 | Spark | if you forward all the ports to the linux machine it wont know any different |
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| 00:19.44 | kruzi | Spark: can i msg you? |
| 00:19.50 | Spark | might not work |
| 00:20.05 | ptitcon | debian , ca sent la merde |
| 00:20.17 | ptitcon | Debian your mother has a little DIck !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:20.41 | openback | that's nice |
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| 00:21.41 | openback | wow, I joined 3 linux channels with quite a few people in them, but they're all quiet |
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| 00:21.59 | kitten | What should the permissions on /dev/mixer be? |
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| 00:23.04 | luvleygurl | hello everyone |
| 00:23.24 | acid-trip | how can i make a bz2 file executable? |
| 00:23.30 | luvleygurl | how is everyone doing? |
| 00:23.36 | acid-trip | shitty |
| 00:23.39 | acid-trip | but thanks for asking lucas |
| 00:23.40 | acid-trip | err |
| 00:23.42 | acid-trip | luvleygurl, |
| 00:23.48 | luvleygurl | yes acid? |
| 00:23.57 | openback | kitten: http://electron.mit.edu/~gsteele/linuxfaq/ looks like it'll help |
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| 00:24.06 | kitten | I was just looking at that, actually. |
| 00:24.14 | samuel | anyone here got apache working with SSI? is there anything debian-specific i need to do? i did everything the manual tells me |
| 00:24.14 | openback | haha |
| 00:24.25 | kitten | Yeah. |
| 00:24.29 | kitten | But I am in the audio group. |
| 00:24.35 | luvleygurl | I was wondering if anyone can tell me why Epiphany doesnt work after apt-getting it? |
| 00:24.45 | acid-trip | luvleygurl, i downloaded the tar.bz2 file kde-i18n-en_GB-3.3.0.tar.bz2 and i can't do fuck all with it |
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| 00:24.49 | openback | I can't help any further, sorry |
| 00:24.57 | kitten | acid-trip : Perhaps you should extract it. |
| 00:24.58 | Unleashed2k | Ok, I am now installing grub..... lol |
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| 00:25.07 | luvleygurl | what .tar.bz2? |
| 00:25.15 | acid-trip | kde-i18n-en_GB-3.3.0.tar.bz2 |
| 00:25.16 | luvleygurl | I just got in here btw |
| 00:25.23 | luvleygurl | what is wrong with it again? |
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| 00:25.35 | acid-trip | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 00:25.36 | acid-trip | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
| 00:25.36 | luvleygurl | just open it using tar xjf kde-il8n* |
| 00:25.41 | kitten | acid-trip : So what's the problem? |
| 00:25.51 | kitten | tar xsomethingsomething filename |
| 00:25.52 | luvleygurl | how are you trying to open it? |
| 00:25.53 | Unleashed2k | so, do i do.... "grub-install /" |
| 00:25.57 | luvleygurl | tar xjf |
| 00:26.01 | Unleashed2k | so, do i do.... "grub-install /boot" |
| 00:26.01 | luvleygurl | or tar xjpf |
| 00:26.03 | acid-trip | i'm just trying to extract it to compile it |
| 00:26.04 | KragenSitaker | acid-trip: you need to have bzip2 installed |
| 00:26.11 | KragenSitaker | luvleygurl: that won't help if tar can't exec bzip2 |
| 00:26.19 | luvleygurl | oh |
| 00:26.20 | acid-trip | hmm |
| 00:26.23 | acid-trip | that could be it :/ |
| 00:26.24 | luvleygurl | apt-get bzip |
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| 00:26.29 | luvleygurl | lol |
| 00:26.37 | openback | so does anyone know how to fix "VFS: Cannot open root device "305" or 03:05"? |
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| 00:26.43 | luvleygurl | err bzip2 |
| 00:27.03 | dcleric | no one ever talks about bzip1 |
| 00:27.06 | Unleashed2k | "grub-install /boot" doesnt work, what is wrong? |
| 00:27.07 | luvleygurl | I just started this debian thing ... it is fun |
| 00:27.18 | luvleygurl | I know ... I forgot to put 2 in there |
| 00:27.32 | dcleric | there must be some dark secret in its past... brrrr |
| 00:27.44 | openback | yeah, i like it, but things keep breaking :( |
| 00:27.57 | protein_origami | Or maybe somebody decided that starting out with version 2 makes it seem more stable. |
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| 00:28.05 | luvleygurl | min is running great |
| 00:28.13 | luvleygurl | need a lady to show you how to get it working? |
| 00:28.18 | luvleygurl | lol. just kidding |
| 00:28.18 | acid-trip | there we go |
| 00:28.24 | acid-trip | ty luvleygurl |
| 00:28.26 | Unleashed2k | anyone? |
| 00:28.34 | acid-trip | what Unleashed2k |
| 00:28.36 | dcleric | i just moved to debian from RH.... woody base with "unstable" gnome on top. a bit of tweaking, but it zooms compared to RH and is very purty |
| 00:28.38 | Unleashed2k | "grub-install /boot" doesnt work, what is wrong? |
| 00:28.42 | protein_origami | I feel like a heretic. After going "all-debian" for several months, I went out today and got a WinXP laptop. |
| 00:28.43 | luvleygurl | acid-trip: yw |
| 00:28.53 | luvleygurl | OUCH |
| 00:28.59 | luvleygurl | I just switched from Gentoo |
| 00:29.05 | bahadunn | luvleygurl: nice |
| 00:29.10 | Spark | Downloaded 210MB in 5h35m15s (10.5kB/s). |
| 00:29.10 | bahadunn | luvleygurl: so what do you think? |
| 00:29.12 | Spark | ace |
| 00:29.15 | luvleygurl | I loved gentoo |
| 00:29.16 | acid-trip | i went from red hat to mandrake back to red hat back to drake and now debian :D |
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| 00:29.30 | luvleygurl | I could do my nails while I emerged something! lol |
| 00:29.31 | protein_origami | I like gentoo, but on my old machine it spent most of the time compiling updates. |
| 00:29.35 | Spark | luvleygurl: gentoo is pain |
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| 00:29.43 | openback | luvleygirl: if you can help me, sure |
| 00:29.47 | luvleygurl | Spark: it is a GREAT distro |
| 00:29.52 | bahadunn | dont get me started on gentoo |
| 00:29.55 | Unleashed2k | lol |
| 00:29.57 | Unleashed2k | "grub-install /boot" doesnt work, what is wrong? |
| 00:29.57 | dcleric | protein_origami: you are going to make that a dual-boot laptop, or run linux(en) as virtual OS's, i hope |
| 00:30.01 | luvleygurl | Only reason I like Debian now is because of the install times |
| 00:30.03 | protein_origami | Sure, gentoo optimized my kernel, but if it spends 80% of the time compiling, that doensn't help much. |
| 00:30.05 | Spark | and a lemon is a great fruit |
| 00:30.09 | Spark | until you try lime |
| 00:30.21 | Spark | then you realise lemons are just shit |
| 00:30.25 | luvleygurl | protein_origami: Yes. ... and that is why I liked it! Kept my nails well painted |
| 00:30.25 | openback | i just did apt-get for kernel 2.4 I believe ( the latest one) |
| 00:30.26 | bahadunn | luvleygurl: well as you use debian more you may find that it is a very well designed system |
| 00:30.30 | protein_origami | dcleric: I dunno. I'd like to re-partition the drive and dual boot debian off it, but I'm a bit leery on repartitioning. |
| 00:30.35 | openback | and now "VFS: Cannot open root device "305" or 03:05"? |
| 00:30.36 | luvleygurl | I know. I am loving debian now |
| 00:30.41 | SharkY | Hi |
| 00:30.42 | bahadunn | Spark: nice analogy |
| 00:30.46 | Spark | openback: you know what the problem is? |
| 00:30.46 | Unleashed2k | I wish I could love debian |
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| 00:31.20 | luvleygurl | Thats all a gal needs .... music, a vibrator and debian |
| 00:31.24 | Unleashed2k | hahaha |
| 00:31.35 | bahadunn | well thats just too much information |
| 00:31.39 | Spark | usb rhythm stick |
| 00:31.39 | openback | Spark: whaddaya mean? |
| 00:31.42 | afcpack | heh |
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| 00:31.54 | Spark | openback: its trying to mount its root filesystem but there is a problem |
| 00:32.03 | Unleashed2k | its enough information for me ;p |
| 00:32.04 | Unleashed2k | "grub-install /boot" doesnt work, what is wrong? |
| 00:32.05 | protein_origami | I've heard of mp3 vibrators, but I didn't know you could install debian on them. |
| 00:32.05 | Spark | do you know what a root filesystem is |
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| 00:32.12 | openback | yeah, I do |
| 00:32.13 | luvleygurl | Anyway. does anyone know when gnome 2.8 is supposed to be out? |
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| 00:32.22 | openback | and 0305 is /dev/hda5, right? |
| 00:32.24 | luvleygurl | I tried kde3.3 ... but I am hating kde |
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| 00:32.27 | kitten | This simply isn't working. |
| 00:32.31 | kitten | Maybe I should just give up. |
| 00:32.35 | Spark | openback: im not sure |
| 00:32.36 | kitten | Considering the hardware I'm running on. |
| 00:32.37 | bahadunn | luvleygurl: isnt there something on the gnome site? |
| 00:32.39 | luvleygurl | What isnt working Kitten? |
| 00:32.50 | luvleygurl | not really |
| 00:32.54 | bahadunn | luvleygurl: the gnome site might have a date or something for the next release |
| 00:32.56 | luvleygurl | just the 2.7 builds |
| 00:33.03 | afcpack | luvleygurl: iirc around Sep 15 |
| 00:33.05 | luvleygurl | maybe I didnt look that well |
| 00:33.06 | Spark | openback: but if that isnt right then you need to use root= kernel commandline parameter to specify the right one |
| 00:33.08 | bahadunn | kitten: dont give up |
| 00:33.11 | Spark | otherwise maybe your harddisk is dead |
| 00:33.17 | luvleygurl | kitten: What is wrong? |
| 00:33.36 | bahadunn | why the hell did tasksel change. this is a major pain in the ass. |
| 00:33.43 | Unleashed2k | "grub-install /boot" doesnt work, what is wrong? |
| 00:33.53 | openback | Spark: well I googled around and that seems right, my root is on /dev/hda5 |
| 00:34.08 | openback | no, I'm using it right now and can boot another kernel |
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| 00:34.25 | Spark | maybe the other kernel doesnt have support for your root filesystem's type |
| 00:34.32 | Unleashed2k | he;[ [;z |
| 00:34.35 | Unleashed2k | help plz* |
| 00:34.35 | Spark | this is guesswork though i dont know debian's policies on root filesystem types |
| 00:34.40 | luvleygurl | ahhh forget tasksel |
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| 00:34.52 | openback | it's ext3, if i apt-got then shouldn't it have ext3 in it? |
| 00:35.01 | luvleygurl | speaking of utilities ... I just found a new god utility ... debfoster |
| 00:35.02 | Spark | i like the way aptitude now has a 'leave this package ALONE' button |
| 00:35.07 | bahadunn | luvleygurl: what do you mean forget tasksel? do you know of something else? |
| 00:35.08 | Spark | not a minute too soon |
| 00:35.16 | openback | and when you apt-get a kernel how do you configure it? |
| 00:35.16 | luvleygurl | I just apt-get what I want |
| 00:35.20 | Unleashed2k | anyone |
| 00:35.27 | kitten | Well, it's jsut a crappy ancient Toshiba laptop. |
| 00:35.31 | luvleygurl | I pretty much just know what software I need |
| 00:35.34 | kitten | It's not like I was going to be rocking out with these speakers anyway. |
| 00:35.39 | kitten | It just would have been nice. |
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| 00:35.55 | luvleygurl | tasksel seems like it will install 10x more than what you actually need |
| 00:36.01 | bahadunn | luvleygurl: yeah but tasksel use to to have this development section and you could install everything to do with C and everything to do with python and everything to do with building custom kernels and stuff and now all that is gone. |
| 00:36.04 | dcleric | yep |
| 00:36.18 | luvleygurl | just apt-get build-essential |
| 00:36.24 | bahadunn | luvleygurl: I dont want to install things with apt-get one at a time or whatever I want to install whole sets of development tools |
| 00:36.26 | Spark | bahadunn: just go down the devel section in aptitude and install all the things you want :) |
| 00:36.44 | DemiGuru | openback: To configure a kernel the "easy" way I suggest doing it the Debian way |
| 00:36.44 | protein_origami | Ah, the Mrs. is home. Time to go... |
| 00:36.44 | bahadunn | Spark: thats the same thing as doing it by hand manually |
| 00:36.47 | luvleygurl | ya .. then do build-essential ... it will give you what you need |
| 00:36.55 | megatux | argh.. what the heck is this crap. Now it won't let me enable DMA on the PATA drive |
| 00:37.00 | Spark | bahadunn: aptitude will let you select lots of things and set off a batch install job |
| 00:37.04 | Spark | its only marginally more painful |
| 00:37.14 | openback | DemiGuru: you know what, I actually forgot about that way, I did it once like ayear ago |
| 00:37.14 | luvleygurl | Debfoster would be like a guy who won't shut up after using tasksel! lol |
| 00:37.20 | abrotman | !b-e bahadunn |
| 00:37.21 | dpkg | bahadunn: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 00:37.21 | Spark | and no pain no gain, you get to see what it actually is you're installing :) |
| 00:37.32 | luvleygurl | dpkg: ya thats what I told him |
| 00:37.32 | dpkg | luvleygurl: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 00:37.46 | abrotman | hhe |
| 00:37.51 | openback | ok, so now a new problem! |
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| 00:38.00 | DemiGuru | openback: www.debianuniverse.com you'll find everything you need |
| 00:38.03 | bahadunn | so bascially you guys are saying that sarge rc1 does not install build-essential by default? |
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| 00:38.24 | openback | anyone know how to fix "eth0: Error EERPOM read ffff" with sis900? |
| 00:38.25 | luvleygurl | dpkg: Well ... like my last boyfriend .. constantly talking about football and sports and will not shut up. If you use tasksel you will have to choose y or no to 1000000 things with debfoster |
| 00:38.25 | dpkg | You are moron #20, luvleygurl |
| 00:38.36 | abrotman | bahadunn: no .. not everyone compiles stuff .. why make it default |
| 00:38.44 | kitten | A NIC with an EEPROM? |
| 00:38.49 | openback | I had it working before I tried the new kernel, but now it doesn't een work in my old kernel |
| 00:38.49 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you? |
| 00:38.50 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:38.59 | luvleygurl | dpkg: why? |
| 00:38.59 | dpkg | Because! |
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| 00:39.03 | luvleygurl | oh its a bot |
| 00:39.06 | Spark | lol |
| 00:39.08 | luvleygurl | I was about to kick his ass |
| 00:39.18 | luvleygurl | well .... digitally of course |
| 00:39.33 | bahadunn | abrotman: I use to install sarge and stuff like python and everything would be installed automagically |
| 00:39.33 | dcleric | apt-cache pkgnames | sort > packages ; egrep "(stuff|i|want)" packages > stuff ; apt-get install `cat stuff` ; vi stuff as needed |
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| 00:39.41 | abrotman | bahadunn: not likely |
| 00:39.49 | abrotman | !smack luvleygurl |
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| 00:39.57 | afcpack | !blootbot |
| 00:39.57 | dpkg | from memory, blootbot is a severely modified infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl |
| 00:40.06 | luvleygurl | lol |
| 00:40.12 | luvleygurl | !smack abrotman |
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| 00:40.28 | bahadunn | abrotman: yes I would use tasksel in base-config or whatever and not select anything and it would install a bunch of stuff |
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| 00:40.38 | openback | so no help on my eth0? |
| 00:40.40 | Spark | smacking on the head is not allowed any more |
| 00:40.44 | abrotman | bahadunn: there was one called c/C++ development |
| 00:40.57 | bahadunn | abrotman: yes exactly |
| 00:40.58 | DemiGuru | openback: What's the problem with your interface? |
| 00:41.05 | bahadunn | abrotman: is that the same as build-essential? |
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| 00:41.18 | abrotman | bahadunn: not really .. i think it's more stuff |
| 00:41.30 | bahadunn | abrotman: I really miss that option |
| 00:41.30 | abrotman | bahadunn: and again .. that's not by default |
| 00:41.44 | bahadunn | abrotman: is there one for python? |
| 00:41.46 | abrotman | bahadunn: tasksel seems sort of broken .. i just tried mine |
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| 00:41.52 | openback | DemiGuru: it used to work fine, but then I apt-got a new kernel. After that kernel didn't work I went to use the old kernel and everything is normal except for my eth |
| 00:41.58 | bahadunn | abrotman: yeah the list is really castrated |
| 00:42.04 | luvleygurl | modules are screwed |
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| 00:42.09 | teddien | What cds do i need to install debian? |
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| 00:42.12 | herbi | buh |
| 00:42.17 | bahadunn | teddien: just the first one |
| 00:42.17 | Spark | and firefox segfaults for a change |
| 00:42.20 | Spark | thanks firefox |
| 00:42.23 | Spark | piece of SHIT |
| 00:42.23 | luvleygurl | did you compile kernel from scratch? |
| 00:42.24 | abrotman | bahadunn: however .. those tasks should be available in aptitude or dselect |
| 00:42.24 | openback | DemiGuru: I get "Error EERPOM read ffff" |
| 00:42.28 | teddien | bahadunn: ok thanks |
| 00:42.30 | openback | no |
| 00:42.37 | openback | apt-get kernel-image |
| 00:42.53 | lostone | why is there no xemacs21 package for testing? ...how do i get xemacs? |
| 00:43.09 | DemiGuru | openback: Sounds like it might be a dhcp issue - what do you think? |
| 00:43.12 | bahadunn | abrotman: ive looked in aptitude but I cannot find those tasks |
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| 00:43.23 | bahadunn | abrotman: dselect I try to avoid using |
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| 00:43.29 | abrotman | bahadunn: hmm .. let me look quick |
| 00:43.35 | DemiGuru | openback: Did you upgrade from 2.4,x to 2,6,x? |
| 00:43.46 | abrotman | bahadunn: are you on sarge? |
| 00:43.51 | luvleygurl | well ... it was nice chatting with you boys |
| 00:43.52 | bahadunn | abrotman: sid |
| 00:43.53 | openback | DemiGuru: no, my eth0 isn't working at all, doesn't exist (and static Ip was being used) |
| 00:44.08 | luvleygurl | gotta go. I am now a Gentoo to Debian convert! lol |
| 00:44.09 | DemiGuru | openback: I see |
| 00:44.11 | bahadunn | luvleygurl: you arent going back to gentoo are you? |
| 00:44.12 | openback | DemiGuru, no, 2.2 to 2.4 |
| 00:44.17 | luvleygurl | bahadunn: no |
| 00:44.21 | bahadunn | luvleygurl: ah good |
| 00:44.32 | luvleygurl | thats why I am in this forum now |
| 00:44.36 | sandman10_99 | i'm having trouble with DRI. I have a matrox millenium II (agp), which should work fine with the mga driver on xfree86. however, glxinfo reveals that it is still using the mesa indirect rendering. i'm not sure how to set up direct rendering, i've been struggling with it all day. kernel 2.4.26 w/ xfree 4.1.0 |
| 00:44.39 | piranha | ... |
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| 00:44.51 | luvleygurl | well .. chiao |
| 00:44.51 | DemiGuru | openback: what happes when you do a ifconfig -a eth0 |
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| 00:45.03 | abrotman | bahadunn: dunno .. should be there somewhere |
| 00:45.07 | SquareRt | I know this is very OT, but I come here a bit so I thought I could try asking here... I found my sister's goldfish on the floor about a minute ago (although I have no idea how long it's been there... it was dry though) ... it appears that it jumped out of the bowl... upon reinserting it it proceeded to just float there... is there anything I can do? |
| 00:45.14 | openback | DemiGuru: I believe it was device not found or something to that effect |
| 00:45.15 | bahadunn | abrotman: ok ill continue looking around |
| 00:45.18 | sandman10_99 | anybody that could give some advice would be greatly appreciated. |
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| 00:45.30 | openback | DemiGuru: I'm not in debian right now because of it |
| 00:45.40 | Cuga | Hey has anybody had anyluck getting VMware to work on 2.6.x kernels? |
| 00:45.42 | bahadunn | abrotman: there is a tasks section |
| 00:45.44 | Irrumator | SquareRt: apt-get install goldfish-rescuekit |
| 00:45.48 | droopy | SquareRt do some vodoo man |
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| 00:45.49 | bahadunn | abrotman: but I dont see development stuff in it |
| 00:45.56 | Usiu | Hi |
| 00:46.13 | DemiGuru | openback: So it's not even showing the local one? |
| 00:46.18 | abrotman | bahadunn: http://packages.debian.org/testing/virtual/ |
| 00:46.18 | SquareRt | droopy; irrumator: lol... I just wondered if you get the gills moving if they'd start running again or not |
| 00:46.21 | abrotman | maybe there? |
| 00:46.26 | SquareRt | or if necrosis would have happened already |
| 00:46.38 | openback | DemiGuru: oh yeah, the loopback is there, that's all |
| 00:46.41 | abrotman | whoops .. bahadunn that was totally wrong |
| 00:46.43 | Irrumator | SquareRt: dpkg-reconfigure goldfish |
| 00:46.46 | sandman10_99 | so does anybody have hardware accelleration set up? |
| 00:46.48 | droopy | SquareRt try mouth to mouth... |
| 00:46.49 | Irrumator | That should get you going |
| 00:47.05 | Irrumator | Now, uh, did anyone say this was OT? :-) |
| 00:47.12 | openback | DemiGuru: and ifup eth0 tells me the device doesn't exist |
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| 00:47.23 | abrotman | sandman10_99: probably many of us |
| 00:47.26 | openback | DemiGuru: the kernel (or driver, i assume) just gave up on it |
| 00:47.33 | sussudio | k... Rudolf Hess Neo-Nazi fanclub gets permission to celebrate his anniversary of death. |
| 00:47.36 | sussudio | !lose germany |
| 00:47.37 | dpkg | germany: You Lose. |
| 00:47.41 | DemiGuru | openback: lspci shows the NIC? |
| 00:47.51 | sandman10_99 | abrotman: well, i just need to pointed in the right direction with getting it working |
| 00:47.54 | openback | DemiGuru: yeah, all probe utils show it |
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| 00:48.03 | abrotman | sandman10_99: dri.sf.net is a good place to start |
| 00:48.12 | abrotman | sandman10_99: or you can ask #dri |
| 00:48.16 | Usiu | I have the subnet in local network, so I have double SNAT before Internet. Is it possible to setup ident on Internet gateway for whole network ?? |
| 00:48.17 | DemiGuru | openback: curious |
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| 00:48.18 | openback | DemiGuru: I'm sure it works, I was on it before and am using it right now |
| 00:48.40 | lok3 | for some reason my loopback is not being started when i restart my computer? |
| 00:48.52 | droopy | does anyone know the octal code for ctrl-c ??? |
| 00:48.54 | abrotman | lok3: errors? |
| 00:49.05 | openback | DemiGuru: could it be that the new kernel I apt-got broke the module? |
| 00:49.15 | lok3 | abrotman where can i look for errors? |
| 00:49.18 | abrotman | lok3: and it's of course in your interfaces file right? |
| 00:49.22 | abrotman | lok3: in /var/log |
| 00:49.24 | lok3 | prolly |
| 00:49.31 | DemiGuru | openback: I don't know enough to say, but I doubt it |
| 00:49.36 | lok3 | abrotman /etc/network/interface? |
| 00:49.45 | abrotman | !tell lok3 about interfaces |
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| 00:49.59 | pipeline | Is it a bad thing if nearly all interrupts are handled by CPU0? |
| 00:50.24 | Usiu | Any help ? |
| 00:50.37 | lok3 | abrotman thanks |
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| 00:51.40 | blunt | Hey anyone here ever heard of Cedega and Point2Play? |
| 00:51.44 | sandman10_99 | abrotman: thank |
| 00:51.48 | sussudio | blunt: no. |
| 00:52.09 | abrotman | lay off the blunts |
| 00:52.13 | blunt | They say it is the old winex project |
| 00:52.18 | droopy | :)~ |
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| 00:52.42 | idnar | blunt: WineX was renamed to Cedega for the 4.0 release |
| 00:52.55 | blunt | But the thing that gets me is they want $15 to sign up for there page to d/l the progs needed |
| 00:52.57 | openback | ok, so can someone tell me something about the warning of using initrd when I updated my kernel? |
| 00:52.59 | abrotman | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=9&u=/ap/20040821/ap_on_re_us/lobster_championship |
| 00:53.05 | abrotman | 38 frickin lobsters |
| 00:53.13 | openback | Can I just tell it to go ahead and make an initrd and that'll be ok? |
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| 00:53.19 | blunt | idnar, k thanks man :) I'm just a little tweak about stuff I dont get from apt |
| 00:53.37 | droopy | openback lilo needs initrd line |
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| 00:54.01 | abrotman | openback: it's not as much fun as you think |
| 00:54.10 | abrotman | does sarge still require the special cramfs patch? |
| 00:54.31 | openback | so I just add the initrd line and use the initrd it created then? |
| 00:55.20 | lostone | im running mozilla firefox from unstable.. when i add the java plugin to firefox's plugin dir firefox quits everytime i go to a page that contains java.. anyone know what may be causing this? |
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| 00:55.27 | sussudio | abrotman: http://www.berkeleydaily.org/text/article.cfm?issue=08-20-04&storyID=19478 |
| 00:55.45 | JoshTriplett | lostone: A broken Java plugin? |
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| 00:56.10 | openback | droopy: so i just add it and no prob? |
| 00:56.16 | droopy | openback you also have to create kernel-img file then the kernel should setup clean. grub is good but has a curve...I cheat with grubconf |
| 00:56.31 | lostone | JoshTriplett: no since i was running firefox from testing with the same plugin and it worked fine... its the 1.4.2 java from blackdown.org that im using |
| 00:56.32 | Usiu | blunt, how to get Cedega from cvs ? |
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| 00:56.48 | Usiu | Iam in the subnet of local network, so I have double SNAT before Internet. Is it possible to setup ident on Internet gateway for whole network ? |
| 00:56.52 | Usiu | Any help ? |
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| 00:57.18 | lostone | JoshTriplett: any other ideas? |
| 00:57.20 | blunt | You have to sign up for there page $5 a month with the first 3 months paid upfront |
| 00:57.26 | JoshTriplett | droopy: Actually, if you build your kernels with make-kpkg, there are instructions in /usr/share/doc/grub for making such packages automatically configure grub. |
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| 00:57.27 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 00:57.27 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box of string, a little K-Y jelly, and 5 or 6 starving bunnies. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 00:57.36 | bob2 | singapore is entirely too hot |
| 00:57.44 | Phated | bob2: Wimp. |
| 00:57.45 | Trae[Win] | I cant get a ftp or apache to install on Debian... |
| 00:57.47 | sussudio | !sgsmite bob2 |
| 00:57.49 | droopy | JoshTriplett cool... |
| 00:57.56 | abrotman | sussudio: you like bran muffins? :) |
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| 00:58.02 | bob2 | Phated: my wimming pool is less humid |
| 00:58.09 | dan2 | bob2: are you a decent C++ programmer? |
| 00:58.09 | Trae[Win] | If someone would be nice enough to PM me and help me out, that would be greatly appreacted. |
| 00:58.11 | Phated | bob2: Again, wimp. :) |
| 00:58.13 | sinfuljesus | sup blunt |
| 00:58.22 | blunt | Hey sinful :) |
| 00:58.24 | bob2 | Phated: hah |
| 00:58.27 | Trae[Win] | I just need help install apache and a decent ftp. |
| 00:58.30 | Phated | bob2: :D |
| 00:58.36 | bob2 | dan2: medium-level |
| 00:58.48 | abrotman | bob2: are you a good wimmer? |
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| 00:59.11 | JoshTriplett | lostone: Well, you could try gcjwebplugin. :) |
| 00:59.13 | dibby | is there a way to add an ftp directory to sources.list ? |
| 00:59.17 | dan2 | bob2: this is pretty simple-level, if I were to make a vector<char*> f, does this object have to be freed? |
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| 00:59.21 | JoshTriplett | lostone: No idea if it works well. :) |
| 00:59.24 | Trae[Win] | Atleast apache so I could do hostname.com/~shell name |
| 00:59.30 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Which object. |
| 00:59.33 | Trae[Win] | and ftp to be able to get it |
| 00:59.38 | JoshTriplett | dan2: The vector, or the pointers it holds? |
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| 00:59.53 | JoshTriplett | dan2: And don't do that, anyway. vector<string>. :) |
| 00:59.58 | lostone | JoshTriplett: k |
| 01:00.08 | abrotman | char* is good sometimes |
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| 01:00.12 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: well, vector<string>, does it have to free the pointer or something? |
| 01:00.13 | openback | dibby: exaclty how you add the http ones |
| 01:00.14 | Trae[Win] | Unleashed2k, you shouldnt chat on root. |
| 01:00.28 | abrotman | !tell Unleashed2k about root |
| 01:00.29 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: here, do I have to free either, if so which? |
| 01:00.49 | JoshTriplett | dan2: The vector handles its own memory. |
| 01:00.50 | Trae[Win] | Can someone give me the link to a how-to for installing a good ftp and apache? |
| 01:00.52 | mish | A Debian router we have is forwarding broadcasts from one broadcast domain on one interface to another interface, we haven't set it up to do this and have no idea why it is, does anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:01.03 | openback | dibby: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 01:01.05 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: so i don't have to free either? |
| 01:01.06 | blunt | www.tldp.org |
| 01:01.12 | JoshTriplett | dan2: If you give it pointers to hold, you definitely need to free those pointers at some point. |
| 01:01.17 | kaplanfx | Trae[Win]: apt-get install apache |
| 01:01.24 | JoshTriplett | dan2: If you give it strings, you don't need to worry about it at all. |
| 01:01.30 | Trae[Win] | it ask for CD |
| 01:01.31 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: oh ok |
| 01:01.34 | abrotman | dan2: it's not a bad idea to always clean up after yourself(depending how big the program is) |
| 01:01.41 | JoshTriplett | dan2: If you make a vector<string>, you don't need to sweat memory management. |
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| 01:01.48 | JoshTriplett | dan2: What are you trying to do? |
| 01:01.50 | kaplanfx | Trae[Win]: you need to setup /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 01:01.59 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: I was just thinking about it as a buffer or so |
| 01:02.08 | bob2 | dan2: when the vector goes out of scope, the vector and the string die |
| 01:02.09 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: not much, it was just on my mind when I saw vector in use |
| 01:02.11 | Trae[Win] | Aranna:/# apt-get install apache |
| 01:02.12 | kaplanfx | Trae[Win]: man sources.list for more info |
| 01:02.12 | Trae[Win] | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 01:02.12 | Trae[Win] | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 01:02.12 | Trae[Win] | Aranna:/# |
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| 01:02.14 | bob2 | dan2: ie at the end of the function you use them in |
| 01:02.15 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Ah. |
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| 01:02.24 | Trae[Win] | yeah so... |
| 01:02.27 | Trae[Win] | It wont let me use apt-get |
| 01:02.27 | kaplanfx | Trae[Win]: you need to be root |
| 01:02.31 | JoshTriplett | dan2: It's freed by the vector's destructor. |
| 01:02.31 | Trae[Win] | I am root |
| 01:02.38 | dan2 | bob2: what if the vector was global? |
| 01:02.40 | droopy | JoshTriplett do you know the octal of ctrl-c |
| 01:02.42 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: ah ha |
| 01:02.51 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: forgot vector was a class |
| 01:02.52 | bob2 | dan2: then you'd get shot for using a global variable |
| 01:02.52 | Trae[Win] | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 01:02.56 | Trae[Win] | How do I close it? |
| 01:02.56 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Then it is freed when the program exits. |
| 01:02.58 | bob2 | Trae[Win]: stop pasting shit |
| 01:02.59 | dan2 | bob2: aside from that |
| 01:03.01 | bob2 | Trae[Win]: run it as root |
| 01:03.04 | bob2 | dan2: what JoshTriplett said |
| 01:03.13 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Yes, vector is a class. |
| 01:03.14 | kaplanfx | Trae[Win]: just delete the lock file, but be sure no process is using dpkg first |
| 01:03.19 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: and to delete instances of classes, delete f? |
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| 01:03.22 | kaplanfx | Trae[Win]: otherwise you could hose your system |
| 01:03.25 | JoshTriplett | dan2: No. |
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| 01:03.32 | JoshTriplett | dan2: That's only if you allocate one with "new". |
| 01:03.34 | msson | hey nightgrave |
| 01:03.42 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: oh |
| 01:03.44 | kaplanfx | Trae[Win]: also try man apt-get and man source.list for more info on apt |
| 01:03.44 | JoshTriplett | dan2: For example: int *x = new int; |
| 01:03.49 | JoshTriplett | dan2: *x = 42; |
| 01:03.49 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: gotcha |
| 01:03.53 | JoshTriplett | dan2: delete x; |
| 01:04.03 | Trae[Win] | When I did apt-get it asked for the cd. |
| 01:04.04 | JoshTriplett | dan2: new/delete are like malloc/free. |
| 01:04.18 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: well, if I don't init it with new... I don't have to delete it? |
| 01:04.21 | kaplanfx | Trae[Win]: you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:04.30 | Trae[Win] | it usually uses the ftp |
| 01:04.30 | kaplanfx | Trae[Win]: man sources.list for more info |
| 01:04.30 | JoshTriplett | dan2: If you declare a class instance in a function, it is constructed at that point, and destructed when it goes out of scope. |
| 01:04.37 | dan2 | ok |
| 01:04.44 | JoshTriplett | dan2: For example: |
| 01:04.49 | kaplanfx | Trae[Win]: your dpkg might be hosed |
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| 01:05.09 | abrotman | dan2: i say .. don't free anything... sooner or later .. it will just crash .. and then it will all get freed |
| 01:05.09 | kaplanfx | Trae[Win]: did the machine crash while using dpkg, or did a process crap out? |
| 01:05.16 | afcpack | yoi... debian-legal archives giving me a headache |
| 01:05.25 | JoshTriplett | dan2: void func() { vector<string> v; ...; use(v); ...; } /* v deleted at the curly brace. */ |
| 01:05.39 | JoshTriplett | dan2: Er, s/deleted/destructed/ |
| 01:05.45 | abrotman | #c :) |
| 01:05.47 | Trae[Win] | apt-get install apache , type that right? |
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| 01:05.57 | t-jack | !test |
| 01:05.57 | dpkg | No, t-jack, you're not online any more. |
| 01:05.58 | JoshTriplett | afcpack: :) |
| 01:06.38 | afcpack | JoshTriplett: trying to read up on the mozilla MPL issue... |
| 01:06.46 | JoshTriplett | afcpack: Ah. |
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| 01:06.50 | kaplanfx | Trae[Win]: yep |
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| 01:06.55 | JoshTriplett | afcpack: Need a hand? |
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| 01:07.21 | staniel | Gnome is freezing on my computer when it loads up :/ |
| 01:07.25 | Trae[Win] | Can I paste in pm what it said? |
| 01:07.27 | dibby | can i install a deb like dpkg -i http://url/debfile.deb? it doesn't seem to be working.. |
| 01:07.33 | JoshTriplett | afcpack: Basically, Mozilla itself isn't affected, because it is triply-licensed MPL/GPL/LGPL. This is still in the finishing stages, but basically done. |
| 01:07.35 | dan2 | JoshTriplett: ok |
| 01:07.42 | afcpack | JoshTriplett: nah.. that's what I get for reading too much into posts on DebianHELP site... |
| 01:07.46 | abrotman | afcpack: one of the guys in here does debian-legal stuff(at least one anyways) |
| 01:07.47 | JoshTriplett | afcpack: Ick. |
| 01:07.54 | Trae[Win] | kaplanfx, can I paste to you in pm what it said? |
| 01:07.55 | JoshTriplett | afcpack: Yeah, I used to like debianhelp. |
| 01:08.00 | kaplanfx | Trae[Win]: ok |
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| 01:08.09 | abrotman | i used to like it when the forums were on the front page |
| 01:08.12 | mechan0r | ok what gives |
| 01:08.28 | abrotman | mud |
| 01:08.30 | JoshTriplett | afcpack: Before they 1) became a political site and 2) started becoming the "Debian tabloid press" (see planet.debian.net). |
| 01:08.32 | abrotman | water |
| 01:08.39 | mechan0r | ogg files lock up both beep-media-player and xmms |
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| 01:08.57 | JoshTriplett | mechan0r: Strange. Does ogg123 work? |
| 01:09.05 | abrotman | libvorbis busted? |
| 01:09.11 | JoshTriplett | mechan0r: If not, possibly a broken file? |
| 01:09.12 | afcpack | JoshTriplett: I get more out of debian-user, even if a lot of the stuff is way over my head |
| 01:09.12 | mechan0r | actually no lock up but they take forever to load |
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| 01:09.23 | JoshTriplett | afcpack: debian-devel is helpful as well. |
| 01:09.24 | mechan0r | it's working now |
| 01:09.37 | staniel | is there a bug with gnome in sid/experimental? |
| 01:09.39 | JoshTriplett | afcpack: (Not for asking questions, but for reading and learning.) |
| 01:09.41 | dibby | join #fedora |
| 01:09.47 | abrotman | staniel: bts |
| 01:09.50 | JoshTriplett | dibby: :) |
| 01:09.55 | kingsley | Has anyone here tried burning an audio CD with cdrecord and version 2.6.8 of the kernel? |
| 01:09.56 | abrotman | dibby: try a / |
| 01:09.58 | staniel | abrotman: bts? |
| 01:10.12 | abrotman | !tell staniel about bts |
| 01:10.13 | sussudio | !moron staniel |
| 01:10.14 | dpkg | staniel: You are moron #27 |
| 01:10.16 | afcpack | kingsley: I *tried* unsuccessfully :p :) |
| 01:10.20 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 01:10.21 | dpkg | <sgeigerbot> Ungy: Do you think I'm some kind of morong? |
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| 01:10.49 | staniel | abrotman: I have checked there, there is no bug that is similar to what im having |
| 01:10.55 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:10.58 | abrotman | !useless factoid |
| 01:10.58 | dpkg | [useless factoid] Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 01:11.08 | James2 | Hiya, im a newbie to Debian trying to install from the latest netinst disc. It partitions, copies files etc and on rebooting Grub returns error 18. Is this a common isue? |
| 01:11.09 | kingsley | afcpack: Me too. What went wrong for you? |
| 01:11.15 | staniel | sussudio: isn't that a nice way to treat users? |
| 01:11.15 | Phated | *gasp* Really? |
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| 01:11.19 | abrotman | staniel: #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org .. or wait a bit here |
| 01:11.19 | afcpack | kingsley: news page of k3b.org has info on issues between kernel 2.6.8 and cdrecord |
| 01:11.31 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:11.36 | kingsley | afcpack: Wow! I'll check it out. |
| 01:11.39 | idnar | Phated: gogogo |
| 01:11.44 | Phated | idnar: \o/ |
| 01:11.48 | sussudio | !tell staniel about sid faq |
| 01:12.06 | sussudio | staniel: you're not a user, you're supposed to be a developer/tester when you're fucking with sid/experimental. |
| 01:12.18 | afcpack | kingsley: I've been reading linux-kernel re: cdrecord vs 2.6.8... it's gotten very ugly |
| 01:12.20 | idnar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.25 | idnar | blah |
| 01:12.54 | dibby | hi, i'm trying to build a dvd from the cd isoz, apparently i'm running debian and i need the implantisomd5 binary that's in anaconda, the problem is I'm having to seek for dependencies all over the place because anaconda*.deb is not enough and I can't seem to add an http:// to my sources.list, anyone? |
| 01:13.01 | t-jack | breaker one nine for radio check... |
| 01:13.04 | dibby | (fedora) |
| 01:13.19 | abrotman | dibby: uhm .. fedora or debian? |
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| 01:13.27 | kingsley | afcpack: Thanks. Have you tried running it as root? |
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| 01:13.45 | afcpack | kingsley: no... I just booted back into 2.6.7 |
| 01:13.50 | dibby | abrotman: (fedora) i'm trying to build a dvd from cd isos |
| 01:14.14 | Phated | dibby: So you're trying to build a fedora DVD? |
| 01:14.19 | staniel | sussudio: your point? so I want some help from time to time, no need to call me a moron for that |
| 01:14.28 | kingsley | afcpack: I may have to go back to a 2.4.* kernel. 2.6.7 crashes on my box often and hard. |
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| 01:14.34 | abrotman | dibby: this is #debian ... not #fedora |
| 01:14.37 | dibby | Phated: I can't because I need certain files |
| 01:14.57 | Phated | dibby: Yes, very good. You figured out your problem. Now go to #fedora. |
| 01:15.00 | dibby | abrotman: i'm not asking for help building the dvd |
| 01:15.09 | Chewie[] | Nosf3ratu: ping |
| 01:15.15 | abrotman | dibby: you're confusing |
| 01:15.34 | dibby | nvrmind |
| 01:15.43 | Chewie[] | hmm |
| 01:15.43 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:15.45 | Chewie[] | idle 11 hours |
| 01:15.50 | mechan0r | 2.6.5 works |
| 01:16.19 | Chewie[] | bob2: ping |
| 01:16.21 | staniel | sussudio: and im not asking for help, im just trying to find out if Im the only one with this issue |
| 01:16.29 | Phated | mechan0r: Ouch, that muct hurt. |
| 01:16.35 | Phated | must* |
| 01:16.38 | kingsley | afcpack: For what it's worth, when I burn an audio CD with cdrecord (or k3b or xcdroast) as root on 2.6.8, the track ends up sounding like alien beeps, buzzes and tones. Perhaps that's because the kernel rejects the GET CONFIGURATION MMC command. |
| 01:16.45 | sussudio | !tell staniel about polls |
| 01:16.47 | sussudio | !tell staniel about bts |
| 01:16.49 | sussudio | (again) |
| 01:17.03 | Chewie[] | bob2: i was here yesterday with a rootkit. you said "<bob2> you did not get rooted by viewing a PNG" - http://news.com.com/Image+flaw+pierces+Linux+security/2100-1002_3-5298999.html |
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| 01:17.25 | staniel | sussudio: yeah, and like I said before, there is NOTHING on the BTS! |
| 01:17.34 | mechan0r | kingsley you've invented a new copy protection scheme you could make millions selling it to the RIAA |
| 01:17.42 | sussudio | staniel: so file a bug. |
| 01:17.57 | kingsley | mechan0r: Haha |
| 01:17.58 | staniel | sussudio: yeah, and what if Im hte only one who has this (which it seems I am |
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| 01:18.16 | abrotman | staniel: what is wrong? |
| 01:18.19 | sussudio | !time |
| 01:18.19 | dpkg | somebody said time was found on http://www.time.com, or Sun Aug 22 01:18:20 2004 |
| 01:18.25 | sussudio | !sunday |
| 01:18.26 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 01:18.34 | Killroy | hi |
| 01:18.52 | abrotman | !permasunday |
| 01:18.52 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! |
| 01:18.54 | staniel | abrotman: gnome is freezing whenever I try to start it |
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| 01:19.01 | afcpack | kingsley: afaict, the old way that cdrecord worked was actually a security hole that could also allow a user to wipe the drive's firmware or other nasties |
| 01:19.10 | abrotman | staniel: please ask in #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org .. |
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| 01:19.32 | abrotman | staniel: they use the sid/experimetnal stuff |
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| 01:19.36 | afcpack | when the hole was closed in kernel 2.6.8, it broke cdrecord |
| 01:20.08 | NoGodNoMaster | hi, anyone here using cpufreqd? |
| 01:20.10 | afcpack | now there's a nasty debate on who is the one who needs to patch to fix |
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| 01:21.01 | afcpack | mechan0r: how so? |
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| 01:21.21 | kingsley | afcpack: Darn. |
| 01:21.23 | mechan0r | although I seem to notice details only oggs but after I've noticed them I find the in the mp3s |
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| 01:22.37 | afcpack | hmm... |
| 01:22.42 | mechan0r | Bruce rules |
| 01:23.12 | afcpack | mechan0r: isn't it Bruuuuuuuuuuuuce! ? |
| 01:23.30 | abrotman | mjomin? |
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| 01:23.48 | mechan0r | yes BrooooooooooooooooooooooooooSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS |
| 01:23.49 | abrotman | sussudio: guess who's coming to dinner? |
| 01:23.56 | afcpack | heh :) |
| 01:24.04 | Phated | mechan0r: Heh, it means you never have to worry mp3 or ogg. |
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| 01:24.20 | mechan0r | I feel like such an amateur |
| 01:24.26 | mechan0r | :) |
| 01:24.28 | Killroy | is there a common book you guys would suggest for a newbie to debian but not to linux? |
| 01:24.30 | abrotman | !noob mechan0r |
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| 01:24.43 | abrotman | afcpack: on purpose? |
| 01:24.44 | gravity | Killroy: There aren't really any good Debian books out there |
| 01:24.45 | Fluten | do most ide controller cards work with linux? |
| 01:24.51 | Fluten | or is there a list of them that are compatible? |
| 01:25.00 | RichiH | Killroy: there is a good debian starters guide online |
| 01:25.04 | abrotman | Fluten: most of them do |
| 01:25.12 | Killroy | where might I find this animal? |
| 01:25.13 | afcpack | abrotman: why not? :) |
| 01:25.24 | RichiH | Killroy: on debian.org? ;) |
| 01:25.29 | abrotman | afcpack: are you from nj? |
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| 01:25.56 | afcpack | abrotman: nope... W(BG)V :) |
| 01:26.00 | abrotman | Fluten: what is the current machine? |
| 01:26.00 | Fluten | abrotman, is network booting easily done with debian? |
| 01:26.04 | abrotman | or what is the ide controller? |
| 01:26.09 | RichiH | Killroy: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/install |
| 01:26.16 | abrotman | or the faq |
| 01:26.17 | Fluten | abrotman, theyre all in my athlon box, but theyre really noisy |
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| 01:26.19 | abrotman | !newbie |
| 01:26.20 | dpkg | hmm... newbie is someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
| 01:26.25 | abrotman | hmm ... |
| 01:26.28 | abrotman | there used to be a website |
| 01:26.42 | abrotman | Fluten: but you made it sound like it wouldn't install |
| 01:26.47 | RichiH | Killroy: that guide is for the old installer, though. so you won't have to do much of the stuff that is described |
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| 01:28.13 | Killroy | alpha vs 1 iso? |
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| 01:28.55 | abrotman | where are those stupid beginners sites? |
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| 01:29.14 | xzgv | Killroy: insert cd1 type bf24 and follow instructions from http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016 |
| 01:29.19 | afcpack | abrotman: mandrake.com? :) |
| 01:29.25 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:31.14 | abrotman | i givbe up |
| 01:31.18 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 01:31.52 | green-earz | Killroy: is there a common book > check out > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/index.html |
| 01:32.00 | abrotman | !be a ricky_clarkson barbie |
| 01:32.01 | dpkg | awwww, ricky_clarkson is so HARD. Let's go shopping. |
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| 01:32.25 | Phated | o_0 |
| 01:32.35 | Phated | That was so... Innuendo-ish. |
| 01:33.07 | abrotman | !factauth be a ricky_clarkson barbie |
| 01:33.18 | abrotman | !listauth be a ricky_clarkson barbie |
| 01:33.18 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'be a ricky_clarkson barbie' returned no results. |
| 01:33.24 | sussudio | !lose abrotman |
| 01:33.24 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 01:33.27 | abrotman | no shit |
| 01:33.32 | abrotman | !hurt me |
| 01:33.51 | Phated | 0_o |
| 01:34.08 | sussudio | !no, be ricky_clarkson barbie is <reply> Crabs are HARD! Let's buy crabpaste instead! |
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| 01:34.13 | afcpack | !lose ManUtd |
| 01:34.14 | dpkg | ManUtd: You Lose. |
| 01:34.19 | sussudio | !tell C4ri0c4______ about away |
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| 01:37.03 | K-Rich | for anyone into 3D, just a note, Yafray 0.0.7 is borked in sid |
| 01:37.17 | abrotman | !info yafray |
| 01:37.23 | dpkg | yafray: (A modern, xml-speaking raytracing-based rendering system), section graphics, is optional. Version: 0.0.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 526 kB, Installed size: 1492 kB |
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| 01:40.40 | remedy | hey all, i did a net install of woody, im logged in but it appears the base possibly hsnt installed/configured properly.. the / hs mounted read only and 'cat /etc/fstab' gives me '#UNCONFIGURED FSTAB FOR BASE SYSTEM'.. is there anyway of reconfiguring things without going back through the install process |
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| 01:41.40 | remedy | oops, topic noted.. i'll check there first ;o |
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| 01:42.22 | petemc | remedy: base-config |
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| 01:42.48 | dibby | i'm having problems extracting one file from a tarball, how can i do this? |
| 01:43.14 | abrotman | man tar!! ... it tastes great .. and is less filling |
| 01:43.20 | meow | i grabbed an unofficial sid image, and booted it. but the installer only has a few options such as execute a shell. how should i install sid? |
| 01:43.43 | petemc | meow: you shouldnt, use the sarge installer |
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| 01:44.00 | dcleric | does meow leave tarballs all over the house? |
| 01:44.05 | deadcat | meow: get the debian installer and at the boot prompt type expert26 |
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| 01:45.00 | meow | petemc: hmm, i'm not sure how to use the sarge installer with sid =\ |
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| 01:46.11 | petemc | meow: installing to sid is an option with the sarge installer, or its trivial tp upgrade post install |
| 01:46.48 | meow | ah |
| 01:47.23 | t-jack | Anyone here use kvirc? |
| 01:47.34 | abrotman | meow: if you don't know how .. then don't |
| 01:48.10 | pipeline | Anyone here ever gotten a positive response to a question starting with "anyone here" ? |
| 01:48.32 | meow | abrotman: that seems pretty limiting |
| 01:48.44 | abrotman | meow: sid breaks sometimes |
| 01:48.48 | abrotman | sarge sometimes also |
| 01:48.57 | abrotman | once pam broke in sid |
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| 01:50.33 | meow | hrm, i mostly just wanted to play around with the 2.6 kernel. been playing with woody for the last 6months or so, feel like a change |
| 01:50.48 | abrotman | woody can have 2.6 and i know sarge does |
| 01:51.16 | Tezkah | you can get it on sarge using the netinstall |
| 01:51.22 | Tezkah | by typing "linux26" at the boot prompt |
| 01:51.24 | abrotman | linux2.6? |
| 01:51.29 | abrotman | err yeah .. that's it |
| 01:51.34 | petemc | Lag: 223 |
| 01:51.34 | petemc | :( |
| 01:51.37 | Tezkah | heh, yeah, I've done it a few times :) |
| 01:52.13 | meow | damn so i should have downloaded the sarge iso =( |
| 01:52.21 | meow | *waits another 6 hours* |
| 01:52.24 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 01:52.25 | dpkg | d-i is, like, the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 01:52.27 | petemc | meow: its 110meg |
| 01:52.30 | Tezkah | meow: you can just grab the net-install if you're on broadband |
| 01:52.39 | Tezkah | but dialup.. yeah...the install would take forever :( |
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| 01:53.25 | meow | oh okay. is a daily build fine? or should i go with an rc |
| 01:53.34 | green-earz | meow: you can install sarge from a 110 meg net install cd |
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| 01:53.47 | Tezkah | meow: either is fine, really |
| 01:53.47 | abrotman | meow: try the rc1 first probably |
| 01:54.01 | abrotman | meow: and if you have a problem .. a report is greatly appreciated |
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| 01:54.40 | remedy | petemc: i get 'cannot execute binary file' when i try and run base-config.. same with /usr/bin/apt-get also |
| 01:54.40 | meow | okay np |
| 01:55.03 | meow | so just boot, and do linux26? |
| 01:55.09 | Tezkah | yep |
| 01:55.17 | Tezkah | when the boot prompt comes up. |
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| 01:55.35 | meow | i remember hearing that there was some kind of stats or report-back package you could install and it would send back stats etc.? |
| 01:55.50 | Tezkah | um, maybe the debian package popularity contest thing? |
| 01:55.56 | meow | oh probably |
| 01:56.01 | abrotman | meow: popcon |
| 01:56.03 | abrotman | !popcon |
| 01:56.03 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 01:56.24 | abrotman | meow: it's to decide what goes on the first cd |
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| 01:57.39 | Fozzie | gday, everyone |
| 01:57.41 | meow | heh pretty neat idea |
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| 01:58.55 | Fozzie | is anyone here experienced with QoS stuff? I'm trying to use tbf and prio on my connection but it's severely biting into my upspeed. looking for advice |
| 01:59.50 | Fozzie | I'm testing on dslreports.com and without the queueing rules, I'm getting 633kbps, and with them, I'm getting 388kbps. Just wondering what I can do to raise it a bit |
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| 02:01.08 | Phated | I'd say 6333KBps is enough, you greedy bastard. |
| 02:01.13 | Phated | Errr, -3 |
| 02:01.30 | Fozzie | well.. I'm not getting 633kbps... I'm getting 388. |
| 02:01.35 | idnar | Phated: no, /10-0.3 |
| 02:01.37 | Fozzie | if I could get even 500 or so, I'd be happy |
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| 02:03.39 | Phated | idnar: Oh, fuck you. :| |
| 02:03.45 | lok3 | http://loke.charlesw.net:2000/nick/screenshot.jpg |
| 02:03.51 | Phated | I usually get like ~150. |
| 02:04.08 | pipeline | Your monitor is hilariously small. |
| 02:04.14 | pipeline | Also, how can you read anything with that background? |
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| 02:04.46 | herbi | if i were to exhale a lungful into a paper bag, how much of that do you think would be carbon dioxide? |
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| 02:05.08 | Fluten | herb, ask the epa? :P |
| 02:05.25 | lok3 | pipeline 1024x768? |
| 02:05.29 | lok3 | im blind |
| 02:05.36 | lok3 | and i like the background |
| 02:05.41 | Fozzie | herbi: keep doing it until you pass out, and then take the antiderivitive of the number of times. hehe |
| 02:05.45 | Fozzie | or something like that. |
| 02:05.48 | herbi | Fozzie, lol |
| 02:05.54 | lok3 | pipeline why you in such a bad mode? |
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| 02:06.03 | Fozzie | I never was good at calculus. hehe |
| 02:06.41 | Fluten | why not have a friend count for you too? |
| 02:06.46 | Fluten | so that way you get more accuracy |
| 02:06.52 | dimm0k | anyone have the audigy2 zs platinum pro? |
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| 02:07.06 | lok3 | pipeline get that dick out of you ass and standup straight and youll be in a better mood |
| 02:07.25 | abrotman | Piggy: does it hurt? |
| 02:07.30 | scarynetworkguy | dimm0k: oddly enough no you are the very first to buy one |
| 02:07.47 | Fluten | would linux be able to use 3 video cards? |
| 02:07.51 | pipeline | lok3: I find that a huge, throbbing dick in my ass dramatically improves my mood, and I strongly recommend it to you. |
| 02:07.52 | Fluten | to hook up 3 monitors to the same box |
| 02:07.54 | pipeline | Fluten: Yes. |
| 02:07.55 | herbi | apparently its 28% |
| 02:08.08 | pipeline | Fluten: You can even hook up 3 keyboards and mice and have 3 users simultaneously, if you rig it right. |
| 02:08.09 | abrotman | Fluten: why not? |
| 02:08.11 | Fozzie | scarynetworkguy: I was gonna buy one but then I thought "hrmmm nah.. I'm gonna wait until dimm0k does" |
| 02:08.20 | lok3 | pipeline hahaha ok, whatever dude |
| 02:08.30 | abrotman | pipeline: that's just creepy .. you can stop now :) |
| 02:08.42 | petemc | funny tho |
| 02:08.50 | scarynetworkguy | Fozzie: I'm sure they will be very happy to hear that they are going to sell a second one. :) |
| 02:08.51 | lok3 | freaky |
| 02:08.55 | afcpack | well fleh...trying to man aterm I get zsoelim: aterm.pretbl:623: warning: newline in .lf request, ignoring |
| 02:08.59 | pipeline | lok3: It might help with that obsessive need to customize your desktop to the point at which noone can use it. |
| 02:09.13 | petemc | easy tiger |
| 02:09.21 | lok3 | pipeline i can use it just fine |
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| 02:09.23 | dcleric | dpkg: tenex |
| 02:09.23 | dpkg | dcleric: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:09.38 | lok3 | pipeline what does your desktop look like? text console? |
| 02:09.47 | pipeline | lok3: I doubt you're blind so much as your desktop background is making you blind. |
| 02:09.49 | mechan0r | dpkg: what |
| 02:09.49 | dpkg | This! |
| 02:10.06 | lok3 | pipeline you need a lady friend man |
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| 02:10.08 | petemc | lok3: may i suggest you discontinue any conversations with pipeline |
| 02:10.11 | afcpack | ahh... temporary strange thingie... nm :) |
| 02:10.19 | lok3 | petemc no problem |
| 02:10.31 | lok3 | im outta here |
| 02:10.42 | lok3 | sorry for the rude conversation |
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| 02:11.49 | Fozzie | ah well.. I'll fiddle with it another day |
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| 02:11.52 | Fozzie | laters all |
| 02:12.01 | xam | however pipeline has a point; if you work on the PC several hours a day, you'll ruin you eyesight with that setuo |
| 02:12.11 | xam | s/setuo/setup/ |
| 02:12.13 | dimm0k | scarynetworkguy, what's wrong with them? |
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| 02:12.54 | scarynetworkguy | dimm0k: nothing is wrong with them it was a joke. My way of pointing out that that was a silly question |
| 02:13.45 | petemc | xam: where in ireland are you from? |
| 02:14.02 | xam | petemc: cork |
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| 02:14.22 | petemc | nice |
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| 02:14.41 | petemc | rough, in parts, from what i hear :) |
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| 02:15.20 | xam | petemc: well, cork as a city is okay (not really nice buildings, but nice people) |
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| 02:15.51 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Some jokes are just -wasted-, wasted. |
| 02:15.57 | scarynetworkguy | yes they are. |
| 02:16.04 | xam | petemc: galway is probably the best place to go if you are a tourist |
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| 02:16.23 | dimm0k | well it's kinda hard to determine sarcasm when reading |
| 02:16.54 | Phated | dimm0k: As a safe bet, scarynetworkguy is -always- sarcastic. |
| 02:16.57 | Phated | As am I. |
| 02:17.02 | petemc | xam: my mother is from salt hill, it is nice |
| 02:17.03 | xam | petemc: rough? well, it's called the rebel city (and county cork is called the rebel county), but that's just a reminescent from the civil war of 1921 ;) |
| 02:17.21 | xam | petemc: yeah, salt hill is nice, was there a couple of times |
| 02:17.21 | FsckIt | Phated: seems to be pretty common in #debian, actually |
| 02:17.28 | Phated | FsckIt: Uh-huh. Yeah. |
| 02:17.50 | FsckIt | Phated: sure. |
| 02:17.54 | xam | petemc: not to far away from the old city centre ... |
| 02:18.00 | FsckIt | Phated: :-) |
| 02:18.39 | petemc | xam: right |
| 02:18.48 | petemc | xam: ever been to belfast? |
| 02:18.56 | FsckIt | Phated: 'course, I'm not sarcastic. Oh, no! |
| 02:18.58 | xam | petemc: nope, not yet |
| 02:19.34 | petemc | yapc is here in september, as good a reason as any to visit |
| 02:19.45 | xam | petemc: cork has some rough places indeed. Eg. the 'north side', were it is not recommended to go after midnight, especially as a women |
| 02:20.02 | xam | petemc: everything else is very safe |
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| 02:20.20 | FsckIt | xam: well, I try to not go anywhere as a woman, actually (given that I'm not, actually) |
| 02:20.28 | Phated | Hahahahahahaha. |
| 02:20.43 | peppo | so which is the utility which can delete unusued packages and/or (unused) packages/dependencies? |
| 02:20.52 | pipeline | You haven't lived until you've done it wearing a blonde. |
| 02:20.57 | Phated | peppo: You can use deborphan. |
| 02:21.00 | petemc | peppo: deborphan, debfoater |
| 02:21.03 | Phated | pipeline: Er, wearing? |
| 02:21.06 | petemc | foster |
| 02:21.18 | FsckIt | pipeline: I try to wear my blondes in non-public places |
| 02:21.19 | mechan0r | debfoster is less dangerous |
| 02:21.20 | pipeline | Phated: Yes, wearing. Like Buffalo Bill. |
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| 02:21.26 | peppo | Phated, petemc, thank yooou |
| 02:21.34 | scarynetworkguy | dimm0k: point is ask your question don't take a poll on if "anyone" has a given piece of hardware |
| 02:21.37 | xam | Fsckit: well, if anything happens (I mean crimes), it happens in the 'north side', in an area of about half a square mile |
| 02:21.39 | petemc | she puts the lotion in the basket |
| 02:21.39 | FsckIt | pipeline: I also generally don't kiss and tell, so that's all I'm saying about that |
| 02:21.41 | Phated | pipeline: Ahhh... |
| 02:21.50 | Phated | peppo: Not a problem. |
| 02:21.56 | alindeman | mechan0r: Explore the SPACE :) |
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| 02:23.00 | herbi | phated you piehead! |
| 02:23.00 | xam | Fsckit: it's nice to have all criminals gathered in one place, and they don't seem to leave that place ... ;) |
| 02:23.02 | herbi | :D |
| 02:23.25 | Phated | herbi: Heyos, bringer of samosas! |
| 02:23.32 | mechan0r | just build a wall around it cost free prison |
| 02:23.33 | FsckIt | xam: that's good in general.. but better would be if that place was called "the jail" |
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| 02:25.09 | Phated | xam: How dare you. I'm a girl, not a woman. |
| 02:25.15 | Phated | :P |
| 02:25.29 | mechan0r | rumours can get you in trouble in #linpeople |
| 02:25.33 | xam | Phated: well, that statement almost convinced me now ;) |
| 02:25.40 | Phated | mechan0r: Oooh, any funny stories? |
| 02:25.52 | Phated | xam: *sigh* I'm not sixteen yet. Thus, I'm a girl. :D |
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| 02:26.05 | mechan0r | exhibit a. A chick |
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| 02:26.15 | mechan0r | exhibit b. A guy |
| 02:26.15 | veget | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.15 | herbi | im so hungover |
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| 02:26.23 | Phated | mechan0r: Go on. |
| 02:26.31 | mechan0r | exhibit c. A chick friend of both |
| 02:26.31 | Phated | herbi: Oh, go drink some more. |
| 02:26.38 | herbi | i dont think i could |
| 02:26.41 | Phated | mechan0r: Oooo, sounds intriguing. |
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| 02:26.45 | herbi | last night was crazy |
| 02:26.45 | xam | mechan0r: go on |
| 02:26.51 | herbi | the trek home was pretty funny, too |
| 02:26.54 | mechan0r | exhibit d. Boyfrind of c |
| 02:26.56 | Phated | herbi: Taking the hair of the dog that bit you... Or something. |
| 02:27.00 | Phated | mechan0r: Oo. |
| 02:27.15 | Phated | OK, everyone else shut up and listen to mechan0r. |
| 02:27.20 | mechan0r | c tells a that b is cheating on a |
| 02:27.24 | FsckIt | herbi, Phated: I'm taking that advice right now actually |
| 02:27.35 | Phated | FsckIt: Very nice. |
| 02:27.41 | Phated | mechan0r: Keep going. |
| 02:27.42 | mechan0r | a breaks up with b |
| 02:27.51 | FsckIt | herbi, Phated: /on his 2nd glass of Long Island Iced Tea |
| 02:27.56 | mechan0r | b finds out c lied |
| 02:28.02 | Phated | GASP! |
| 02:28.09 | herbi | FsckIt, only second? you should be on your fifth |
| 02:28.10 | kingsley | Does anyone here have a px-712a burner and version 2.6.8 of the kernel? |
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| 02:28.19 | mechan0r | b offers d to dump c |
| 02:28.28 | mechan0r | er offers money |
| 02:28.29 | Phated | mechan0r: *GASP* |
| 02:28.29 | thomas_adam | veget: 2>/dev/null |
| 02:28.36 | scarynetworkguy | kingsley: don't take polls ask specific questions about your problem |
| 02:28.41 | FsckIt | herbi: well, you do know that you have to have been on your 2nd at some point to end up on your 5th right? |
| 02:28.48 | mechan0r | d does it before he's even paid |
| 02:28.48 | kingsley | afcpack: What CD/DVD burner were you using? |
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| 02:28.59 | mechan0r | a and b are back together |
| 02:29.10 | Phated | mechan0r: o-O |
| 02:29.29 | FsckIt | mechan0r: and since this is a porno, a, b, c, and d all end up having sex with each other at the same time... |
| 02:29.37 | kingsley | scarynetworkguy: It's not a poll. I need someone with specific software and hardware to duplicate a bug. |
| 02:29.38 | Phated | Hahahahahahahhaahahahaha. |
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| 02:29.55 | mechan0r | FsckIt, anything can happen in linpeople |
| 02:30.03 | FsckIt | mechan0r heh |
| 02:30.05 | Phated | Anything beginning with "Does anyone..." is a poll. |
| 02:30.19 | Phated | Hahahahahahaha. |
| 02:30.49 | dabreegster | Phated: Hey. Not true... "does anyone have a cookie right now?" isn't really an opinion. :-P |
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| 02:31.09 | FsckIt | xam: bars aren't the place to go if you want to actually find someone to hang out with.. sex, maybe, but you've got to do something the other 20 hours a day |
| 02:31.10 | Phated | dabreegster: Yes, it's not an opinion, it's a poll. |
| 02:31.18 | Fluten | does anyone know the answer to my poll? |
| 02:31.20 | Fluten | is that a poll? |
| 02:31.21 | kitten | This mixer thing is still driving me insane. |
| 02:31.25 | afcpack | kingsley: I've got a TDK 440N DVD burner and Sony 52x cd burner |
| 02:31.32 | Fluten | xam, so you didnt have any luck at the pub? |
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| 02:31.54 | kitten | Does anyone have a recommendation other than aumix? |
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| 02:31.58 | Guerin | well, we went out in honour of my wife's birthday, and were eating dinner at a korean restaurant over a few laughs, when $J_RANDOM_KOREAN came over and shouted us two bottles of baekseju (hundred year wine) because we were laughing so much, and he was really happy for us. |
| 02:32.17 | xam | Fsckit: you don't know irish (late) pubs. The larger ones (like the one I was talking about) usually have a dancefloor, and this particular one also had a nightclub upstairs |
| 02:32.18 | Phated | Guerin: Excellent. :D |
| 02:32.46 | mechan0r | aumix-gtk |
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| 02:32.57 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Drunken sods. :) |
| 02:32.58 | kitten | Is that some sort of GUI aumix? |
| 02:33.03 | Phated | Yes.' |
| 02:33.04 | mechan0r | yup |
| 02:33.07 | kingsley | afcpack: What are the chances of me persuading you to boot into 2.6.8 and try to burn a CD as root? |
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| 02:33.23 | thomas_adam | kingsley: Doesn't have to be. |
| 02:33.27 | Guerin | thomas_adam: indeed. The sun was well over the rice paddies by the time we went off to bed :) |
| 02:33.28 | thomas_adam | kitten: ^ |
| 02:33.30 | kitten | erm. |
| 02:33.36 | afcpack | brb... :) |
| 02:33.37 | thomas_adam | kitten: aumix can be text-based. |
| 02:33.39 | FsckIt | xam: I guess not.. I really don't much know American bars (and I'm in America) |
| 02:33.49 | kitten | It's griping about some sort of dependency issue, and removing aumix. |
| 02:33.51 | kingsley | thomas_adam: be what? |
| 02:34.03 | thomas_adam | kingsley: Not you. :) Tab completion went crazy. |
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| 02:34.16 | xam | Fluten: I easily could have, but I left early. There were 2 girls that were definitely interested (one even introducing herself, the other one constantly smiling at me), but I excused myself and went home |
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| 02:34.21 | thomas_adam | kitten: Don't be too specific, will you... |
| 02:34.28 | kitten | thomas_adam : I was just getting to that. |
| 02:34.29 | FsckIt | xam: then again, this whole conversation assumes that I know what I'm talking about tho begin with |
| 02:34.31 | kitten | Here's another oddity. |
| 02:34.39 | Tezkah | thomas_adam: xchat has a quirk now... instead of prompting for more letters, it'll just do the first one and lets you cycle through them |
| 02:34.47 | Phated | xam: *smiles* |
| 02:34.48 | kitten | sndconfig runs for a bit and then whines that "You don't seem to be running a kernel with modular sound enabled." |
| 02:35.10 | kitten | Which is clearly false, since I am running sound modules. |
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| 02:35.23 | Phated | Tezkah: Yes, they went from bash-style to mIRC-style completion. |
| 02:35.27 | xam | Fsckit: well here sometimes (eg. in some pubs, when there are lots of students in it) girls dance on the tables |
| 02:35.31 | mechan0r | is snd compiled in or a mod |
| 02:35.37 | kitten | Mod. |
| 02:35.45 | thomas_adam | Tezkah: That's not a quirk, numbnut. That was an added feature to act like irssi's tab completion. It was added in 2.5.10, after it was taken out from xchat 1.X.X because the moronic developers thought it a good idea. I use irssi, and so don't care for xchat. It sux0rs. |
| 02:35.47 | herbi | Phated, i hate it. because ive been using xchat with the old complete style for so long :( |
| 02:36.06 | Phated | thomas_adam: numbnut... *giggles* |
| 02:36.11 | Tezkah | :( |
| 02:36.12 | kitten | Yeah, it's in lsmod, so I guess so. |
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| 02:36.16 | Tezkah | you hurt my feelings. |
| 02:36.17 | Phated | herbi: Yes, I rather like bash-style meself. |
| 02:36.23 | Phated | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.27 | Phated | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.28 | xam | Phated: well, what are you smiling at ;) |
| 02:36.29 | Phated | ARGH. |
| 02:36.33 | Guerin | !lose Phated |
| 02:36.34 | dpkg | Phated: You Lose. |
| 02:36.35 | thomas_adam | As I use zsh, I... |
| 02:36.37 | kitten | Me, what did I do? |
| 02:36.38 | herbi | omg phated you dislocated your torso! |
| 02:36.41 | scarynetworkguy | whoops |
| 02:36.46 | Phated | xam: I'm being "definitely interested". |
| 02:36.52 | meow | i'm trying to do an install from sarge but i keep getting Filed to copy file from CDROM, in the load installer components from CD |
| 02:36.52 | Phated | Guerin: :| |
| 02:36.53 | Guerin | anyway, now I have to catch a bus back to the restaurant so we can go to the beach |
| 02:37.04 | Phated | herbi: Yes yes I did. |
| 02:37.16 | abrotman | meow: say what? |
| 02:37.21 | meow | i'm using the sarge netinst |
| 02:37.22 | mechan0r | Phated clearly was dancing a little too interested and fislocated her hip |
| 02:37.24 | abrotman | Guerin: you're awake! |
| 02:37.27 | Guerin | the koreans thought I should drive home, but noooo way, despite it only being 3km |
| 02:37.31 | Guerin | abrotman: I am! |
| 02:37.33 | Phated | fislocated... Eeeeeew. |
| 02:37.35 | abrotman | meow: and you're in windows burning the image? |
| 02:37.41 | meow | and it says "There was a problem reading data from the CDROM..." |
| 02:37.46 | meow | nope i've burnt the image |
| 02:37.49 | meow | and have booted it |
| 02:37.49 | mechan0r | fishlocated |
| 02:37.53 | abrotman | meow: and you did it correctly? |
| 02:38.04 | meow | well, i followed the nero steps, yeah =\ |
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| 02:38.08 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Did I ever tell you my story about the drunk bus driver? |
| 02:38.10 | abrotman | meow: i have had issues burning at like 24x .. i usually go slower .. like 8x |
| 02:38.16 | abrotman | maybe 16x |
| 02:38.19 | meow | i guess it's possible that it's a bad disc. |
| 02:38.25 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: No, but you can tell the whole channel now. |
| 02:38.25 | meow | hrm i did it at 12x, i'll try another burn |
| 02:38.29 | kitten | aumix-gtk doesn't start. |
| 02:38.30 | xam | Phated: c'mon. 1) I'm not sure whether you are raelly who say you are (you could be 49 year old a mass-murderer) 2) you are a bit too young, but thanks for the interest ;) |
| 02:38.33 | Guerin | meow: sounds like bad media, or a fucked iso image. Check the iso md5, if it's good, burn it to a new disk. |
| 02:38.38 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: no. |
| 02:38.50 | Phated | xam: Believe me. 16yo chick. ;) |
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| 02:38.58 | herbi | xam, everybody knows 49 year old mass murderers dont use debian. they use os/2 |
| 02:39.06 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: has to do with the Korean's thinking you should drive. |
| 02:39.10 | herbi | "OS/2 -- When you want Satan in your computer" |
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| 02:39.12 | lok3 | what is the command to find out the name of a service running on a specific port? |
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| 02:39.24 | thomas_adam | lok3: lsof |
| 02:39.30 | FsckIt | lok3: look in the /etc/services file |
| 02:39.35 | Guerin | xam: she has pretty consistently kept up the "i'm a 16 year old chick" routine, and some people even claim to have seen photos and/or heard ogg of her vioce. |
| 02:39.35 | abrotman | fuser |
| 02:39.36 | petemc | lok3: netstat, ps, lsof, fuser |
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| 02:39.46 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: I think I can fill in the rest. |
| 02:39.49 | lok3 | k |
| 02:39.50 | lok3 | thanks |
| 02:39.55 | abrotman | Guerin: your wife? |
| 02:39.59 | xam | Phated: okay, then it's 2) unfortunately. This means no deep (ie. sexual) relationship, but I'm open for anything else *smile back* |
| 02:40.03 | Phated | Guerin: :| It's not a routine. It's real life... Oh, wait, which -is- a routine. |
| 02:40.04 | abrotman | who is 16? |
| 02:40.11 | Phated | xam: Hahahahahaha. :D |
| 02:40.14 | simonrvn | getent services (:number: or :name:) |
| 02:40.23 | Guerin | abrotman: haha. No, she's rather more than 16, though she does yearn for those glory days... |
| 02:40.24 | petemc | a sexual relationship over irc |
| 02:40.25 | kitten | All I want to do is be able to annoy people at the coffee shop by blaring loud mp3s. |
| 02:40.26 | abrotman | kitten: feel better? |
| 02:40.30 | kitten | Is that so goddamned much to ask? |
| 02:40.32 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: The funny part was this all happened when I was picking up a kid who had never been in a town with more than 1000 people. He just about died. It was pretty damned funny |
| 02:40.32 | kitten | Is it? |
| 02:40.34 | abrotman | who the heck is 16? |
| 02:40.44 | Phated | petemc: :D |
| 02:40.45 | herbi | kitten, yes. |
| 02:40.55 | sussudio | kitten: ipods are made so they can easily fit up someone's rectum. buy an ipod mini if you're british. |
| 02:40.56 | megatux | has anyone had HDIO_SET_DMA failed issues lately the 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:40.59 | herbi | kitten, well no, but if you restate your problem, ill be glad to try and help |
| 02:40.59 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: I must have missed the funny bit about drink-driving... |
| 02:41.02 | abrotman | kitten: you're in the sound group and can play sound as root right? |
| 02:41.04 | xam | petemc: make sure you install the 'brainwash'-mod aswell |
| 02:41.11 | Guerin | sussudio: haha :) |
| 02:41.13 | petemc | :) |
| 02:41.15 | cafuego | megatux: Not anyone who has support for their ide controller compiled in, no. |
| 02:41.15 | abrotman | i still can't figure out who is 16 damn it |
| 02:41.19 | kitten | herbi: The situation is that I can play sound, adjust volume in XMMS, say, but the maximum volume is way too quiet. |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | dpkg: who is 16? |
| 02:41.24 | cafuego | abrotman: Phated |
| 02:41.27 | dpkg | abrotman: what are you talking about? |
| 02:41.28 | kitten | It appears to be a mixer problem but I can't tell. |
| 02:41.31 | abrotman | cafuego: i thought you were dpkg |
| 02:41.32 | herbi | kitten, are you adjusting pcm AND true mixer? |
| 02:41.32 | simonrvn | xam: what's the client called? |
| 02:41.40 | kitten | Yeah. |
| 02:41.40 | abrotman | cafuego: and it was very surprising to get that answer |
| 02:41.41 | Phated | cafuego: Yeah, for a moment there... |
| 02:41.43 | cafuego | abrotman: Shhht, not everyone needs to know. |
| 02:41.45 | kitten | I've also cracked out the Gnome mixer thinger. |
| 02:41.47 | megatux | cafuego: it is compiled in.. it's using the generic ide module instead. |
| 02:41.52 | kitten | Which doesn't change anything. |
| 02:41.54 | herbi | kitten, what mixer are you using? alsamixer? |
| 02:41.58 | kitten | aumix just throws errors at me. |
| 02:42.01 | FsckIt | xam: I'm a bit weird of a guy.. I'm actually looking for a relationship, rather than no-strings-attached sex.. so, if they are dancing on the table... |
| 02:42.02 | cafuego | megatux: Then disable the generic ide module. |
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| 02:42.04 | kitten | herbi: This is OSS> |
| 02:42.05 | abrotman | kitten: what kind of errors? |
| 02:42.08 | cafuego | s/module/support/ |
| 02:42.15 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: it was the kids reaction. The drunk driving did suck. |
| 02:42.20 | herbi | kitten, oh...can i suggest switching to ALSA? it has much nicer sound support |
| 02:42.22 | abrotman | kitten: oh .. which volume are you changing? |
| 02:42.24 | xam | simonrvn: chat^Wchickzilla |
| 02:42.32 | simonrvn | nods |
| 02:42.35 | kitten | herbi: I got really tired of trying to make alsa Go. |
| 02:42.36 | megatux | cafuego: tried that.. it doesn't detect the proper chipset and thus can't boot |
| 02:42.43 | abrotman | kitten: which volume level? |
| 02:42.47 | herbi | kitten, 2.4? 2.6? |
| 02:42.48 | kitten | ..what? |
| 02:42.50 | kitten | Oh. |
| 02:42.51 | akusarujin | FsckIt, rofl |
| 02:42.51 | kitten | 2.6. |
| 02:42.53 | kitten | 2.6.7. |
| 02:42.56 | Phated | xam: You essentially just said chaickzilla. :| |
| 02:42.57 | herbi | um... |
| 02:42.57 | lok3 | what is the name of the service that runs on 9,13,37, and 113? |
| 02:42.57 | abrotman | kitten: did you change the pcm volume level? |
| 02:42.58 | cafuego | megatux: Well, then you're not going to have DMA full stop. |
| 02:43.10 | xam | Phated: no I didn't ;) |
| 02:43.11 | kitten | abrotman : Uh, I don't know. |
| 02:43.12 | abrotman | lok3: look in /etc/services |
| 02:43.19 | herbi | kitten, youre using 2.6 and not ALSA? why? alsa works oob in 2.6 |
| 02:43.19 | abrotman | kitten: uh .. check :) |
| 02:43.19 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: ah. |
| 02:43.22 | scarynetworkguy | somebody's been watching too much Spinal tap |
| 02:43.23 | Phated | xam: Yes you did. ;) They don't need to know, though. |
| 02:43.24 | xam | Phated: ^W != ^H |
| 02:43.27 | FsckIt | akusarujin: I'm serious, actually... take that however you want, I guess |
| 02:43.28 | simonrvn | Phated: ^w is delete one word |
| 02:43.29 | abrotman | herbi: im using oss too |
| 02:43.35 | herbi | abrotman, why? |
| 02:43.40 | megatux | cafuego: this seems like a bug with the i875 chipset perhaps |
| 02:43.41 | lok3 | abrotman but those names are not in /etc/init.d to stop |
| 02:43.46 | abrotman | herbi: cause it works and it's easy |
| 02:43.47 | cafuego | megatux: *shrug* |
| 02:43.48 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: but you are right joking about drunk driving is not really that funny |
| 02:43.49 | Phated | xam, simonrvn: My bad... I onestly saw it as a H... *sleeps* |
| 02:43.53 | Phated | honestly* |
| 02:43.56 | simonrvn | oh :) |
| 02:43.56 | kitten | herbi: Because I couldn't get alsa to work to save my life. |
| 02:43.57 | akusarujin | FsckIt, i was just laughing about how you used sarcasm a bit in "a weird guy" -- when what you were talking about should be casual not strange :) |
| 02:44.00 | abrotman | lok3: they are probably in /etc/inetd.conf .. comment them out |
| 02:44.04 | cafuego | megatux: I always make sure hardware is fully supported before I buy it. |
| 02:44.08 | abrotman | kitten: change the pcm volume in aumix |
| 02:44.10 | kitten | Short of recompiling the kernel again which frankly I'm not willing to do just to get alsa running. |
| 02:44.13 | herbi | abrotman, ALSA was hard 2 years ago...but i dont even have to set it up in 2.6? |
| 02:44.15 | kitten | abrotman : I can't use aumix. |
| 02:44.20 | herbi | shuh. |
| 02:44.22 | abrotman | herbi: im fucking lazy ... is that ok with you? |
| 02:44.22 | kitten | All it does is throw an error at me. |
| 02:44.28 | megatux | cafuego: it is fully supported smart ass |
| 02:44.32 | FsckIt | akusarujin: oh, yeah.. well, that's another discussion, that's probably off-topic here |
| 02:44.33 | abrotman | herbi: it works .. and it's easy .. and alsa does nothign for me |
| 02:44.37 | herbi | abrotman, i guess, i mean it doesnt affect me i just was curious |
| 02:44.41 | megatux | cafuego: the 2.6 kernel is just buggy as hell |
| 02:44.43 | cafuego | megatux: Seeing as your DMA isn't working, I'd say it's not. |
| 02:44.46 | akusarujin | FsckIt, the first line you said was off topic :) |
| 02:44.46 | abrotman | herbi: why do you use alsa? |
| 02:44.54 | abrotman | kitten: what errors does aumix throw? |
| 02:45.01 | herbi | abrotman, because its the default sound system? i just select my sound card and compile and it works... |
| 02:45.09 | abrotman | herbi: it wasn't my default |
| 02:45.11 | akusarujin | FsckIt, not like i'm going to hold it against you or anyone else though :O |
| 02:45.18 | FsckIt | akusarujin: yeah, well.. I, unfortunately, have a history of being off-topic on occasion |
| 02:45.24 | FsckIt | akusarujin: ask cafuego |
| 02:45.25 | kitten | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:45.25 | herbi | abrotman, in 2.6, ALSA is the default. if youre not using 2.6, then its a different story. |
| 02:45.34 | akusarujin | FsckIt, :) |
| 02:45.34 | abrotman | herbi: it wasn't the deafult |
| 02:45.39 | abrotman | herbi: my deafult was OSS |
| 02:45.43 | megatux | cafuego: this looks like a classic case of broken detection code |
| 02:45.44 | meow | abrotman: i guess it was the media =\ thanks |
| 02:45.45 | FsckIt | cafuego: right? |
| 02:45.47 | herbi | kitten, you need to compile that option into your kernel |
| 02:45.47 | abrotman | kitten: wtf is that? |
| 02:45.58 | kitten | Compile *what* option? |
| 02:45.59 | cafuego | FsckIt: Cabbage:? |
| 02:46.01 | herbi | kitten, /usr/src/linux/.config and search for that string, uncomment it |
| 02:46.07 | kitten | abrotman : that's what happens when I run aumix. |
| 02:46.08 | herbi | SOUND_MIXER_READ_DEVMASK |
| 02:46.09 | lok3 | abrotman thanks |
| 02:46.18 | herbi | abrotman, in 2.6? |
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| 02:46.27 | FsckIt | cafuego: yeah, that too.. I was saying that I occasionally veer off-topic, and used you as a person who could verify |
| 02:46.40 | abrotman | herbi: i dont have that option .. aumix works for me |
| 02:46.42 | cafuego | FsckIt: Yeah, I've never seen to on topic at all ever! |
| 02:46.49 | abrotman | but i do have SND_MIXER_OSS |
| 02:46.51 | FsckIt | heh |
| 02:47.03 | kitten | So you want me to uncomment that line. |
| 02:47.05 | herbi | abrotman, it works for me too, but i have ALSA compiled to use OSS emulation :) |
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| 02:47.13 | abrotman | herbi: i made my first kernel .. and it was OSS |
| 02:47.27 | herbi | kitten, uncomment it and change it from #SOUND_MIXER_READ_DEVMASK blah to SOUND_MIXER_READ_DEVMASK=y then make |
| 02:47.32 | FsckIt | cafuego: c'mon.. I was about 5 years ago when I first showed up... :-) |
| 02:47.45 | herbi | abrotman, lol.. youre confusing me. |
| 02:48.04 | kitten | ... |
| 02:48.09 | kitten | Not found in the .config file. |
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| 02:48.12 | abrotman | herbi: stick around .. it gets worse |
| 02:48.21 | regeya | mirrorshades? |
| 02:48.27 | kitten | That's me. |
| 02:48.33 | abrotman | kitten: use the menuconfig .. make sure you have the OSS mixer setup |
| 02:48.46 | kitten | Ugh. |
| 02:48.46 | regeya | howdy, kitten. |
| 02:48.47 | abrotman | but i do have SND_MIXER_OSS or something liket hat |
| 02:48.49 | kitten | Why can't that be modular? |
| 02:48.52 | kitten | regeya. |
| 02:48.52 | abrotman | ugh indeed |
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| 02:49.22 | sussudio | !aw regeya |
| 02:49.22 | dpkg | regeya: you action whore! |
| 02:49.30 | regeya | indeed I am |
| 02:49.31 | FsckIt | xam: 'course, I should probably point out that it's a Saturday night here.. and I'm on IRC.. so.. take that how you want |
| 02:49.32 | herbi | regeya, oss is pretty modular |
| 02:49.35 | Phated | sussudio: That would be me. |
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| 02:49.40 | sussudio | regeya: /me is |
| 02:49.42 | abrotman | woohoo .. root!!! |
| 02:49.50 | abrotman | protests what? |
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| 02:49.52 | kitten | I give up. |
| 02:49.58 | abrotman | don't!!! |
| 02:50.04 | herbi | shower time |
| 02:50.05 | regeya | I demand that I am not a philosopher |
| 02:50.08 | abrotman | break it down! |
| 02:50.12 | herbi | kitten, dont give up, ill come back soon and help you |
| 02:50.20 | Guerin | herbi: s/shower/beach/ |
| 02:50.20 | kitten | Bah. |
| 02:50.25 | abrotman | found one? |
| 02:50.27 | kitten | I'll be back later, then. |
| 02:50.28 | abrotman | found one what? |
| 02:50.29 | regeya | but I may be one |
| 02:50.40 | abrotman | herbi: you mean you're gonna put alsa on :) |
| 02:50.42 | xam | abrotman: you are not really here, aren't you? |
| 02:50.43 | FsckIt | regeya: I demand that I *am* a philosopher! |
| 02:50.56 | cafuego | !lart regeya for plagiarising douglas adams |
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| 02:50.58 | sussudio | s/not really here/not all there/ |
| 02:51.01 | regeya | haha |
| 02:51.10 | abrotman | xam: i'm still drunk from last night :) |
| 02:51.22 | Phated | !lart the drunkards |
| 02:51.31 | xam | abrotman: man, you must have been druck yesterday! |
| 02:51.31 | Phated | Hahahahahahahahahahaha. |
| 02:51.33 | abrotman | who is the drunkard |
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| 02:51.41 | abrotman | it was a good place |
| 02:51.41 | Guerin | (hopefully) |
| 02:51.44 | petemc | !beer Phated |
| 02:51.45 | FsckIt | abrotman: I'm still drunk from tonight. |
| 02:51.47 | Phated | abrotman: Oh, anyone who had more than a glass of alcohol yesterday. |
| 02:51.51 | Phated | petemc: Ew, beer. |
| 02:51.53 | abrotman | ask dan2 .. he may have been there .. too bad he can't get the beer there :) |
| 02:51.57 | petemc | bud light, unlucky |
| 02:51.58 | Phated | s/beer/wine/ |
| 02:52.03 | Phated | !wine Phated |
| 02:52.07 | Phated | Much better. |
| 02:52.07 | abrotman | Phated: i had .. uhm .. like 7 maybe ... |
| 02:52.10 | Phated | cafuego: Oooo. |
| 02:52.14 | Phated | abrotman: Too many. |
| 02:52.17 | cafuego | dpkg: THAT is fucking DISGUSTING |
| 02:52.17 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, cafuego |
| 02:52.18 | Guerin | !literal cmd: wine (.*?) |
| 02:52.18 | dpkg | CMD: wine (.*?) is ($1): <action> pours a nice mature Chardonnay for $1. |
| 02:52.19 | Phated | cafuego: What's the occasion? |
| 02:52.25 | abrotman | Phated: it was over the course of 5 hours |
| 02:52.25 | Guerin | oh ffs. |
| 02:52.27 | regeya | why couldn't one just load the oss modules...then again, if you're not using something like 'discover', and since you can't unload modules nowadays anyway, why not just go for a monolithic kernel. |
| 02:52.29 | FsckIt | abrotman: but as Churchill said.. I'll be sober tomorrow, but you'll still be ugly. |
| 02:52.33 | Phated | abrotman: Either way. |
| 02:52.37 | FsckIt | :-) |
| 02:52.37 | xam | Fsckit: why do you think you've got 'the better of the deal' ? |
| 02:52.43 | Phated | Guerin: Yes, I need more wines. Feel free to edit. |
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| 02:52.49 | abrotman | FsckIt: i have no intention on being sober |
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| 02:53.20 | FsckIt | xam: a box of grammar for a long island iced tea |
| 02:53.26 | wasabi_ | *** 2.6 kernels no longer buildcorrectly with old versions of binutils. |
| 02:53.34 | abrotman | wasabi: is that a warning? |
| 02:53.36 | wasabi_ | I clearly have a later version than that. |
| 02:53.36 | Guerin | !cmd: wine (.*?) =~ s/a nice mature Chardonnay/(a nice mature Chardonnay|a mug of Chateau de Cardboard)/ |
| 02:53.42 | wasabi_ | Nope, cancels build. |
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| 02:54.08 | abrotman | where do you people get all this weed? |
| 02:54.08 | cafuego | !cmd wine (.*?) =~ s/(a nice mature Chardonnay|a mug of Chateau de Cardboard)/a glass of (malbec|cabernet sauvignon|shiraz|riesling|semillon|pinot poir|pinot gris|bordeaux) |
| 02:54.13 | xam | Fsckit: well, I've got a box of cookies and couple of pints (albeit in my stomach) |
| 02:54.26 | petemc | abrotman:grow it |
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| 02:54.33 | abrotman | petemc: uhm .. i can't? |
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| 02:54.42 | FsckIt | abrotman: it's funny.. the more it is outlawed.. the more it is available |
| 02:54.48 | petemc | why not? |
| 02:54.50 | Guerin | cafuego: much more comprehensive. |
| 02:54.53 | cafuego | There you go. |
| 02:54.55 | abrotman | i guess i'm too old |
| 02:54.57 | cafuego | !wine Phated |
| 02:54.57 | wasabi_ | so, any idea why i can't build my kernel? |
| 02:55.08 | Phated | I do wish you gentlemen would capilatise. |
| 02:55.14 | xam | btw, sicne we are all off-topic here, what's the average age here? |
| 02:55.14 | cafuego | and none of that shite chardonnay in there |
| 02:55.16 | Phated | capitalise* |
| 02:55.21 | Phated | cafuego: Oh, very well. |
| 02:55.24 | abrotman | use a z! |
| 02:55.25 | Guerin | cafuego: american chardonnay, eew |
| 02:55.34 | cafuego | Phated: it's not supposed to be capitalised, miss. |
| 02:55.38 | afcpack | kingsley: audio cd burn as root in 2.6.8 yielded crap |
| 02:55.40 | FsckIt | Phated: last I attempted to capitalize, she said no |
| 02:55.41 | abrotman | xam: how old are you? |
| 02:55.42 | cafuego | Guerin: Any chardonnay == ewww |
| 02:55.48 | abrotman | !how old are you? |
| 02:55.48 | dpkg | 900 ... like Yoda ... |
| 02:55.49 | Phated | !cmd wine =~ s/malbec/Malbec/ |
| 02:55.49 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'cmd wine', Phated |
| 02:55.52 | cafuego | Guerin: Might as well chew on an oak stick |
| 02:55.55 | Phated | Grrr. |
| 02:55.57 | meow | hrm more sarge install problems. debbotstrap error: couldn't download ifupdown |
| 02:55.57 | kingsley | afcpack: Can you elaborate? |
| 02:56.02 | petemc | abrotman: http://www.yerma.org/~pete/bud/IMG_0197.jpg |
| 02:56.03 | Guerin | cafuego: you've obviously not had some of the glorious white burgundy I've had |
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| 02:56.11 | cafuego | Phated: cmd: wine(.*?) =~ s/foo/Foo/ |
| 02:56.14 | abrotman | !wine =~ s/malbec/Malbec |
| 02:56.16 | Phated | !wine =~ s/malbec/Malbec/ |
| 02:56.17 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'malbec', Phated |
| 02:56.19 | cafuego | Phated: But with an extra space and via /msg |
| 02:56.20 | Guerin | cafuego: ah, that is the biggest problem with the new world's offerings |
| 02:56.21 | Phated | Grrr. |
| 02:56.28 | abrotman | !wine phateed |
| 02:56.31 | abrotman | !wine phated |
| 02:56.39 | jpablo | hi, anybody knows a work around to install kde 3.3 |
| 02:56.40 | cafuego | Guerin: Nah, provided you don't drink chardonnay there are a lot of very nice wines. |
| 02:56.42 | Guerin | Phated: no, vrietals aren't capitalised |
| 02:56.43 | meow | error is roughly 12% in |
| 02:56.46 | xam | abrotman: take a look at http://www.cs.ucc.ie/~xam/xam.jpg and guess ... or go to http://www.cs.ucc.ie/~xam/ and read it |
| 02:56.53 | Phated | ARGH, I'm going to haveto capitalise everything. |
| 02:56.55 | cafuego | jpablo: /j #debian-kde |
| 02:57.06 | FsckIt | cafuego so what do you feel about gewurztraminers? |
| 02:57.20 | abrotman | xam: you're 10! |
| 02:57.20 | afcpack | kingsley: resulting disc was mechanical sounding bloops... |
| 02:57.21 | kingsley | afcpack: For example, did the audio sound garbled? |
| 02:57.25 | Phated | xam: 16 here, scarynetworkguy's in his thirties... Makes the average age 20. :D |
| 02:57.30 | Guerin | FsckIt: ooh, nice. Riesling makes a better wine overall, though. |
| 02:57.38 | afcpack | kingsley: beyond garbled |
| 02:57.39 | xam | abrotman: close enough, here's a cookie! |
| 02:57.51 | abrotman | xam: you're going grey! |
| 02:58.05 | kingsley | afcpack: Ah, "bloops". That looks like my description of alien beeps, buzzes and tones. |
| 02:58.08 | abrotman | Phated: i got cake on my butt |
| 02:58.08 | FsckIt | Guerin: I think it all depends on what you are having with the wine.. |
| 02:58.13 | Guerin | FsckIt: sure. |
| 02:58.16 | xam | abrotman: it's the light *grin* |
| 02:58.18 | Phated | abrotman: Hahahahahahaha. Er, why? |
| 02:58.25 | abrotman | xam: i am exactly 4 days older than you |
| 02:58.25 | kingsley | afcpack: Thanks for the effort. I'll modify my bug report. |
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| 02:58.34 | FsckIt | cafuego: or a nice cabernet sauvignon |
| 02:58.37 | xam | oh, so you are also 10? |
| 02:58.40 | abrotman | xam: so the average is oct 6th |
| 02:58.45 | abrotman | err the 4th |
| 02:58.48 | kingsley | afcpack: To say that even root doesn't work. |
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| 02:58.52 | cafuego | Phated: happy now? |
| 02:58.56 | green-earz | meow: are you using beta 4 net installer ? i have been using it and no problem, may help ? |
| 02:58.58 | abrotman | Phated: i do have a picture somewhere |
| 02:59.04 | afcpack | kingsley: tested same playlist as user in 2.6.7... success |
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| 02:59.26 | abrotman | !.ie |
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| 02:59.30 | abrotman | !ie |
| 02:59.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ie is the domain suffix for Ireland, or Internet Explorer |
| 02:59.36 | abrotman | what is that ireland? |
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| 02:59.38 | abrotman | err why |
| 02:59.47 | findme | any pointers for recording tv in debian ? |
| 02:59.49 | Phated | cafuego: Yes, thank you. :) |
| 02:59.53 | Phated | abrotman: Sure thing. |
| 03:00.00 | meow | fg |
| 03:00.08 | findme | I want to make something like DVR |
| 03:00.10 | kingsley | afcpack: Good work. |
| 03:00.10 | cafuego | FsckIt: I prefer shiraz by quite a lot... |
| 03:00.13 | Phated | meow & |
| 03:00.21 | sussudio | !fgi findme recording tv in debian |
| 03:00.22 | abrotman | Phated: huh.. what's a sure thing? |
| 03:00.22 | dpkg | findme: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=recording tv in debian |
| 03:00.24 | cafuego | FsckIt: Sadly I'm not much of a fan of the food it goes with |
| 03:00.27 | Guerin | cafuego: you're well located for it. |
| 03:00.29 | wasabi_ | i need some help getting my 2.6 kernel to compile. says I have a not recent version of binutils, but i do |
| 03:00.30 | Phated | abrotman: Er, ignore. :) |
| 03:00.31 | FsckIt | cafuego: cooll |
| 03:00.33 | meow | green-earz: umm i just grabbed the RC i guess. |
| 03:00.39 | initech | i am drinking merlot right now, the cheap chilean stuff |
| 03:00.42 | FsckIt | cafuego: what food goes with it? |
| 03:00.51 | sussudio | mutton? |
| 03:00.52 | abrotman | !wine initech |
| 03:00.52 | cafuego | FsckIt: beef, kangaroo |
| 03:00.52 | dpkg | $1 <action> pours $1 a nice glass of Sancerre |
| 03:00.54 | abrotman | !whine initech |
| 03:00.55 | afcpack | kingsley: you're welcome |
| 03:01.02 | Guerin | initech: the chileans make a lot of decent wine |
| 03:01.02 | abrotman | oh . who broke the wine factoid! |
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| 03:01.14 | FsckIt | cafuego: what's wrong with a nice steak? |
| 03:01.15 | abrotman | !literal wine |
| 03:01.16 | dpkg | wine is at http://www.winehq.com/. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcohol beverage. |
| 03:01.17 | meow | /var/log/messages says: /lib/partman/init.d/50lvm: 9: pvscan: not found |
| 03:01.17 | cafuego | !wine abrotman |
| 03:01.24 | meow | ... vgscan: not found |
| 03:01.26 | cafuego | abrotman: You're just not using it right |
| 03:01.31 | Phated | cafuego: Woohoo, someone messed up my factoid! |
| 03:01.33 | initech | FsckIt: steak is overrated ... |
| 03:01.36 | abrotman | cafuego: yes i did |
| 03:01.41 | afcpack | !steak |
| 03:01.44 | abrotman | cafuego: look farther up .. !wine initech |
| 03:01.58 | cafuego | FsckIt: Mainly the bit where it's meat |
| 03:02.03 | sussudio | in soviet russia, kangaroo eats you. |
| 03:02.18 | Guerin | Phated: isn't decent wine horribly expensive in .sg ? |
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| 03:02.20 | cafuego | sussudio: soviet russian doesn't exist |
| 03:02.23 | initech | people eat kangaroo?!? |
| 03:02.24 | abrotman | mmm .. ostrich! |
| 03:02.27 | cafuego | initech: Yep. |
| 03:02.28 | Guerin | initech: hell yeah |
| 03:02.29 | abrotman | initech: yes |
| 03:02.32 | FsckIt | cafuego: I didn't realise you were a vegetarian. |
| 03:02.33 | sussudio | cafuego: that's what they want you to think. |
| 03:02.33 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: If you start that here I'm going to get on a plane fly to .nl and beat you to death with a chair |
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| 03:02.38 | Phated | Guerin: Yes, of course. |
| 03:02.40 | xam | petemc: I have a similar picture (unfortunately not in .jpg), where a friend of mine and I are in the room, with lots of weed and millions of rupiahs laying around ... holiday decadence in pure form |
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| 03:02.50 | Phated | :| |
| 03:02.51 | cafuego | FsckIt: I'm not really, i just dislike the texture of stuff like beef 9steak etc) |
| 03:02.51 | sussudio | scarynetworkguy: BadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerMushroomMUSHROOMBadgerBadgerBadgerBadgerSnaaaaaaaaakkeeeASnaaaaake |
| 03:03.01 | initech | is kangaroo any good? |
| 03:03.04 | meow | green-earz so i should download the beta and try that? =( |
| 03:03.05 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: anything but the soviet russia thing. :) |
| 03:03.06 | abrotman | FsckIt: goood stuff!! |
| 03:03.08 | cafuego | initech: yes, it is. |
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| 03:03.18 | megatux | For the record, if anyone asks about SATA or DMA issues with i875 chipset boards, point them here: http://www.hentges.net/howtos/p4p800_deluxe.html |
| 03:03.21 | Guerin | initech: yeah, it's fine. A bit like lamb, but tougher, richer. |
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| 03:03.23 | sussudio | all your kangaroomeat are belong to us. |
| 03:03.27 | Phated | !literal wine |
| 03:03.27 | dpkg | wine is at http://www.winehq.com/. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcohol beverage. |
| 03:03.27 | megatux | Just solved my problems... |
| 03:03.28 | initech | FsckIt: alligator is ok ... best in a stew like sauce piquante |
| 03:03.37 | Phated | ARGH, urgh, it no longer works. :| |
| 03:03.38 | cafuego | !literal cmd: wine (.*?) |
| 03:03.38 | dpkg | CMD: wine (.*?) is ($1): <action> pours $1 a nice glass of (Malbec|Cabernet Sauvignon|Shiraz|Riesling|Semillon|Pinot Noir|Pinot Gris|Bordeaux|Traminer|Sancerre|Sauvignon Blanc|Durif|Botrytis Semillon) |
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| 03:03.43 | sussudio | !kill botn00bs |
| 03:03.43 | abrotman | !i875 busted sata is http://www.hentges.net/howtos/p4p800_deluxe.html |
| 03:03.43 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 03:03.44 | Phated | cafuego: Thank you. |
| 03:03.47 | cafuego | !lart Phated |
| 03:03.53 | meow | megatux: error 404? |
| 03:03.56 | FsckIt | abrotman: all I've heard is "tastes like chicken".. *shrug* |
| 03:04.03 | Phated | FsckIt: Kangaroo? |
| 03:04.05 | Guerin | dog is pretty gamy and stringy. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it except as a unique gastronomic experience. |
| 03:04.15 | FsckIt | Phated: no, alligator |
| 03:04.17 | cafuego | FsckIt: Yeah, crocodile tastes like a chicken that only ate fish when it was alive. |
| 03:04.18 | abrotman | FsckIt: well .. you guys spice everything to death .. dunno how you guys know what chicken tastes likke :) |
| 03:04.23 | Phated | FsckIt: Tastes like chicken. |
| 03:04.25 | noderat | I just switched to serving my own IMAP mail, I'm using postfix and courier-imap, however before my folders were seperate and now all imap folders are inside of the INBOX folder. I asked why it was different in #postfix and they said it was a debian issue...whats going on here? |
| 03:04.26 | megatux | meow: http://www.hentges.net/misc/howtos/p4p800_deluxe.shtml |
| 03:04.27 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: in particular the way the slaughter it where you are at... :( |
| 03:04.29 | cafuego | Kangaroo tastes like kangaroo. |
| 03:04.30 | Phated | abrotman: Hahahahahaha. |
| 03:04.31 | abrotman | alligator is good |
| 03:04.33 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: yeah. |
| 03:04.35 | initech | abrotman: that is a misconception! |
| 03:04.38 | wasabi_ | =( |
| 03:04.52 | initech | abrotman: alligator is so-so .. very dry, ok in stew |
| 03:04.57 | abrotman | initech: i've been down there a couple of times .. most of the stuff is hard to taste the actual food |
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| 03:05.02 | abrotman | but i do like it |
| 03:05.03 | Phated | afcpack: And that would be? |
| 03:05.11 | cafuego | noderat: That's how most IMAp servers work, seeing as clients only have access rights on their INBOX folders. |
| 03:05.12 | scarynetworkguy | afcpack: AB *is* in fact a god |
| 03:05.13 | initech | abrotman: where did you eat? |
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| 03:05.16 | abrotman | initech: nola |
| 03:05.17 | Phated | mechan0r: Steak, my good man. |
| 03:05.17 | xam | Phated: so why does a 16 year old girl from Singapura/Singapore hang around in a geek channel at 4:00 with lots of drunken guys |
| 03:05.18 | afcpack | Phated: I watch Good Eats :) |
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| 03:05.24 | abrotman | initech: vacation there 2x |
| 03:05.28 | initech | abrotman: nola, but where? |
| 03:05.32 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: I got into a vicious verbal argument with a canadian dog-fanatic about the practice of eating dogs yesterday. I asked her to justify her objections on ome kind of rational grounds, apart from "but dogs are man's best friend!!!1" and she left, crying. |
| 03:05.33 | Phated | xam: Because it's 1105 AM here, and because she runs Debian. |
| 03:05.42 | Phated | afcpack: Whatssat? |
| 03:05.46 | meow | megatux: nice. is that yours? i'm just installing p4p800 right now |
| 03:05.50 | noderat | cafuego: My old outsourced IMAP mail had all of the folders outside of the INBOX folder.. |
| 03:05.50 | green-earz | meow: the ones i use are here and i have no problem :http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ |
| 03:05.53 | Phated | Guerin: Heh. |
| 03:05.56 | Guerin | good eats IS a good food show. |
| 03:05.57 | abrotman | initech: NOLA,French market inn ... red fish . desirees, court of two sisters .. and a whole bunch more |
| 03:06.04 | abrotman | initech: good enough? |
| 03:06.08 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Yeah people *hate* it when you use logic. :) |
| 03:06.11 | cafuego | noderat: In the user's hoemdir maybe? |
| 03:06.14 | FsckIt | abrotman: heh.. actually.. if you've had 'Cajun' food that is spiced so bad you can't taste the original dish, you've had bad 'Cajun' food |
| 03:06.17 | afcpack | Phated: Food Network show... hosted by Alton Brown... |
| 03:06.19 | noderat | cafuego: Yeah |
| 03:06.19 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: People must really hate me, then. |
| 03:06.30 | cafuego | noderat: Yeah, I hate it when they do that. |
| 03:06.31 | Phated | afcpack: Again, I'm not American, so. Yeah. But OK. :D |
| 03:06.33 | abrotman | FsckIt: i have a bigger issue with creole |
| 03:06.41 | abrotman | FsckIt: i actually like cajun .. a lot |
| 03:06.44 | noderat | cafuego: Okay, so that explains it =) |
| 03:06.48 | abrotman | initech: you don't like those places? |
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| 03:07.04 | Ketop | how can I watch .wmv movies? |
| 03:07.08 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: most likely. I know they do me for the most part |
| 03:07.15 | megatux | meow: nope.. but that guy's howto had the answer to my problems |
| 03:07.15 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: she's going back to canada to write editorials about how evil and bad koreans are for being mean to doggies... completely ignoring the whole meat industry in canada... |
| 03:07.17 | xam | Phated: I know its 11a.m, but at this time most of the people here are totally intoxicated, barely able to press keys or even able to express themselves ... just look at abrotman |
| 03:07.19 | initech | abrotman: they;re all tourist places, but they're ok |
| 03:07.23 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhh. |
| 03:07.27 | abrotman | xam: im sober |
| 03:07.33 | Phated | xam: I don't drink. :D Underage. :) |
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| 03:07.40 | xam | abrotman: yes, you are ... ;) |
| 03:07.49 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Yeah that is like the pot calling the kettle black. |
| 03:07.50 | abrotman | initech: i didn't have a car to go much of anywhere .. but i loved jean lefitte blacksmith shopp |
| 03:07.52 | initech | abrotman: you really think louisiana food is hot? we like it well seasoned, but not really hot, not like some asian food |
| 03:07.54 | FsckIt | abrotman:well, if you know the difference between creole and cajun, you have one up one most people |
| 03:08.00 | Ketop | how can I watch .wmv movies? any idea? |
| 03:08.03 | Phated | initech: Wimp. |
| 03:08.05 | abrotman | initech: creole is hot .. cajun is great |
| 03:08.08 | mechan0r | xine |
| 03:08.12 | initech | Phated: no |
| 03:08.13 | petemc | Ketop: mplayer, with the right codecs |
| 03:08.14 | Phated | Asian is the best food, damnit. |
| 03:08.15 | Ketop | xine |
| 03:08.15 | abrotman | creole+booze=abrotman vomiting :) |
| 03:08.18 | noderat | Now to figure out how to tell Thunderbird to stop warning me that the url on the SSL Cert is localhost and the domain isn't the same. Thats REALLY anoying to have to click it each time |
| 03:08.20 | Ketop | xine or mplayer? |
| 03:08.23 | xam | Phated: exactly ... it's not a good company for you (except me, I'm cool) |
| 03:08.24 | initech | Phated: we like to taste food |
| 03:08.27 | FsckIt | xam: or look at me |
| 03:08.28 | abrotman | of course .. i think the last time was creole and about 3 hurricanes |
| 03:08.33 | petemc | Ketop: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 03:08.36 | mechan0r | xine is good |
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| 03:08.44 | Phated | initech: Hah. the spiciness -is- the food. :D |
| 03:08.47 | abrotman | initech: i did eat at other places .. probably the place i liked the most i can't remember |
| 03:08.48 | abrotman | the name |
| 03:08.50 | mechan0r | though sometimes acts weird |
| 03:08.50 | meow | megatux: so you have that board? did it cause any problems with the install? |
| 03:08.53 | FsckIt | abrotman: that's not really the difference between creole and cajun |
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| 03:09.02 | scarynetworkguy | noderat: do you have any coneception of how tottally fucking stupid that idea is? |
| 03:09.06 | Phated | xam: I beg to differ, it's excellent company. |
| 03:09.07 | xam | Fsckit: well, I still think you are a bot |
| 03:09.07 | abrotman | FsckIt: one of the spices doesn't agree with me or something .. |
| 03:09.12 | abrotman | FsckIt: it makes me pretty ill |
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| 03:09.16 | initech | Phated: yes spiciness is great, overwhelming heat is not (at least not ot me) |
| 03:09.17 | noderat | scarynetworkguy: Eh? |
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| 03:09.20 | xam | Phated: ;-P |
| 03:09.22 | Phated | initech: Wimp. |
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| 03:09.23 | megatux | meow: I have a p4c800-e |
| 03:09.24 | Phated | xam: :) |
| 03:09.28 | Guerin | abrotman: haha, too many cheesesteaks |
| 03:09.32 | FsckIt | xam: lol |
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| 03:09.45 | initech | Phated: hah. I can eat more pepper than you i bet :) |
| 03:09.46 | abrotman | like i ate at durgin park in boston last weekend .. got crabcakes .. coudln't even taste the crab .. wtf is the point |
| 03:09.55 | Phated | initech: You're on. |
| 03:09.56 | abrotman | all i could taste was spice |
| 03:10.09 | abrotman | Guerin: it's possible |
| 03:10.29 | noderat | scarynetworkguy: Its either localhost or its set to one specific domain, I have 5 virtual domains and each one uses a different hostname to access mail from..can't make certs for each one now can I? |
| 03:10.30 | scarynetworkguy | noderat: turning off ssl warnings |
| 03:10.36 | initech | abrotman: crab should not be seasoned so brutally, it is the best meat in the world |
| 03:10.42 | abrotman | initech: no kidding |
| 03:10.51 | Phated | No way, crayfish is better. |
| 03:10.51 | xam | Phated: I have to agree, asian food is the best. However I don't really like the 'european' asian food, eg. the food you can get here at chinese takeaways ... it's not spice (hot) enough |
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| 03:10.54 | Phated | Or lobster. |
| 03:10.59 | abrotman | initech: i was really really disappointed .. supposedly it's a fairly good restaurant(my dad picked it) |
| 03:11.04 | noderat | scarynetworkguy: Better than it ALWAYS popping up when I open my mail client. |
| 03:11.11 | megatux | meow: right now, I'm using a custom kernel, however.. but if the 2.6.3 kernel installed panics on you, check that out |
| 03:11.13 | Phated | xam: You know, that always bugged me. We don't have any of that stuff here. *shrugs* |
| 03:11.15 | scarynetworkguy | noderat: yes you could but that is not the point turning off the warning is *FUCKING* stupid |
| 03:11.19 | abrotman | initech: but the beans and chowder were good(chowder slightly underseasoned) |
| 03:11.22 | initech | Phated: crawfish, crab ... hmmm, hard to say but i think crab is the better meat |
| 03:11.22 | Phated | xam: Our food is just awesome, though. |
| 03:11.25 | scarynetworkguy | noderat: AS IT SHOULD |
| 03:11.27 | Phated | initech: Lobster. |
| 03:11.29 | abrotman | initech: crab is better |
| 03:11.32 | FsckIt | abrotman: the deal is that let's say you had gumbo.. the deal is that each person's gumbo is a bit different |
| 03:11.33 | xam | Phated: lobster tastes nice, but it's a pain in the ass to eat |
| 03:11.38 | abrotman | Phated: crab is better than lobster if done right |
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| 03:11.51 | initech | lobster is a great big shrimp |
| 03:11.52 | Phated | abrotman: I've never had crab done right, then. DCC me some. |
| 03:11.57 | Phated | Shrimps are good. |
| 03:11.58 | abrotman | FsckIt: the gumbo at desirees made me barf with 2 heinies |
| 03:11.59 | xam | Phated: lobster is cold before you have even eaten half of it |
| 03:12.01 | noderat | scarynetworkguy: Ohy. So if I can make certs for each vdomain with postfix/courier-imap-ssl then how? |
| 03:12.05 | abrotman | Phated: to where? |
| 03:12.08 | Phated | xam: How is that my fault. |
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| 03:12.15 | Phated | abrotman: Eh? |
| 03:12.21 | xam | Phated: haha |
| 03:12.32 | initech | crawfish are awesome |
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| 03:12.34 | abrotman | Phated: uhm .. i'd have to ship them |
| 03:12.36 | Phated | OK, so... List. 1) Eat good crab. |
| 03:12.43 | xam | cobra |
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| 03:12.44 | Phated | abrotman: Hahahahaha. E-mail them. :D |
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| 03:12.45 | abrotman | initech: they are good .. but i'll take lobster over crawfish |
| 03:12.50 | xerophyte | when i use the aide i get this error how can i fix this usr/lib/libcurl.so ctime in future .. what is the time zone is the EEST |
| 03:12.56 | initech | abrotman: you are crazy yeah! |
| 03:13.10 | FsckIt | initech: tell me about it |
| 03:13.11 | Phated | Guerin: Hahahahahahahaha. I pity you, really. |
| 03:13.19 | xam | Guerin: so squid is fine then? |
| 03:13.19 | Guerin | Phated: I pity me too. |
| 03:13.20 | abrotman | hmm .. phated wants me to email her crabs .. this seems odd |
| 03:13.20 | abrotman | initech: spent my first 16 summers in maine .. lobster is good there :) |
| 03:13.29 | Phated | Hm, this yoghurt is funny. |
| 03:13.36 | initech | seabugs are all the best, much beter than... steak |
| 03:13.37 | FsckIt | Phated: so, you are fifteen, huh? |
| 03:13.38 | Guerin | xam: lives in the sea? check. legs? check. Nope, squid is out. |
| 03:13.39 | abrotman | Phated: spaceballs? |
| 03:13.40 | Phated | Guerin: *pats* My sympathies, friend. |
| 03:13.49 | Phated | FsckIt: 15 11/12. |
| 03:13.54 | Phated | abrotman: oooo. |
| 03:13.59 | abrotman | oooo? |
| 03:14.01 | xam | Guerin: legs? nope. Tentacles? Yup |
| 03:14.07 | Phated | Spaceballs... :D |
| 03:14.08 | FsckIt | phated: yeah, come talk to me in 2 years, 1 month :-) |
| 03:14.08 | Guerin | xam: I use legs loosely :) |
| 03:14.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:14.17 | initech | abrotman: i must say i have not had good lobster, it is too expensive here |
| 03:14.21 | Phated | FsckIt: Keep dreaming. |
| 03:14.29 | abrotman | initech: up there .. in season .. about $5/lb :) |
| 03:14.31 | mechan0r | Guerin... that just didn't sound right |
| 03:14.35 | FsckIt | Phated: heh |
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| 03:14.39 | Phated | FsckIt: :) |
| 03:14.44 | abrotman | initech: after my HS graduation .. got a 3lb lobster for $20 or so |
| 03:14.49 | initech | abrotman: here, $17/lb (live) |
| 03:14.55 | Phated | o_0 That's good. |
| 03:14.59 | abrotman | initech: yeah. .. for a 1 1/4 lobster |
| 03:15.26 | Phated | Great, now I have a craving for seafood. |
| 03:15.35 | xam | Fsckit: 18 years is the minimum age for you? |
| 03:15.42 | initech | abrotman: i can buy lumb tailfin crabmeat for $15 /lb |
| 03:15.44 | FsckIt | xam: yeah |
| 03:15.54 | Phated | xam: Are we talking for sex? |
| 03:15.58 | Phated | FsckIt: I pity you. |
| 03:16.02 | xam | Fsckit: 17 here, if she's mature (in mind) enough |
| 03:16.15 | Phated | 16 here, mind not bothered with. |
| 03:16.15 | xam | Phated: no, at least not only |
| 03:16.19 | FsckIt | Phated: why do you pity me? |
| 03:16.39 | Phated | FsckIt: You're going to have to date older girls... :D |
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| 03:17.09 | FsckIt | Phated: well, if I date someone 18, I'm dating someone younger than me by 7 years |
| 03:17.16 | helix | creepy |
| 03:17.25 | xam | Phated: well, it's understandable for a 16 year old |
| 03:17.28 | Phated | FsckIt: Heh, and here I was thinking you were 15-17. |
| 03:17.31 | abrotman | isn't that illegal? |
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| 03:17.34 | Phated | helix: Oh, hello. |
| 03:17.50 | FsckIt | Phated: but there's nothing wrong with older girls, they know what they want and aren't afraid to ask |
| 03:17.57 | Phated | FsckIt: Uh-huh. |
| 03:18.01 | xam | abrotman: depends on the country |
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| 03:18.14 | helix | abrotman: a 70yo could date an 18yo |
| 03:18.14 | abrotman | xam: in us .. you mean depends on the state :) |
| 03:18.25 | abrotman | helix: are you saying you've got a sugar daddy? |
| 03:18.26 | initech | abrotman: next time you go to nola you should hit the good joints |
| 03:18.30 | xam | abrotman: #debian is not US only ;) |
| 03:18.33 | helix | abrotman: no way |
| 03:18.35 | sussudio | helix: a 18yo could carbondate a 70yo |
| 03:18.42 | Phated | Haha. |
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| 03:18.52 | xam | sussudio: you mean like anna-nicole smith? |
| 03:18.55 | FsckIt | helix: hey.. are you calling me creepy? |
| 03:18.55 | helix | sussudio: indeed |
| 03:18.57 | abrotman | initech: give me one :) |
| 03:19.06 | sussudio | xam: yes, but with less KFC buckets |
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| 03:19.10 | boreas | i'd like to get up a centralized authentican server, and am thinking about ldap or krb5 w/ pam. A couple questions. 1) LDAP transactions aren't encrypted, right? |
| 03:19.12 | helix | FsckIt: only if you date an 18yo girl |
| 03:19.13 | initech | abrotman: brightsens |
| 03:19.22 | abrotman | initech: i was gonna go to the col. place in the garden district .. |
| 03:19.24 | abrotman | initech: where is that? |
| 03:19.27 | boreas | 2) wouldn't using krb5 auth be like giving everyone your /etc/passwd file? |
| 03:19.27 | noderat | scarynetworkguy: Talked to someone, they said I can't make multiple ssl certs if I use virtual domains unless I have seperate IP addresses, which I don't |
| 03:19.32 | initech | abrotman: commander's? |
| 03:19.38 | abrotman | initech: yeah .. tht's it |
| 03:19.39 | helix | r |
| 03:19.40 | boreas | you can take a krb5 ticket and crack against it... |
| 03:19.49 | initech | abrotman: yeah you can't go wrong with that |
| 03:19.53 | abrotman | initech: where is brightsens? |
| 03:19.54 | Phated | helix: Woohoo. |
| 03:19.57 | scarynetworkguy | noderat: then the people you talked to are wrong go google on you'll learn how |
| 03:20.00 | abrotman | initech: didn't make it there |
| 03:20.04 | initech | abrotman: in carrolton, uptown |
| 03:20.08 | abrotman | oh .. too far |
| 03:20.13 | FsckIt | helix: I haven't yet |
| 03:20.17 | Guerin | helix: what's your highscore? |
| 03:20.17 | abrotman | initech: the place next to the jackson square was good |
| 03:20.18 | scarynetworkguy | noderat: and that is not the point the point is not having it warn you is stupid |
| 03:20.25 | initech | abrotman: he was one of prudhomme's chefs, really awesome guy |
| 03:20.31 | helix | Guerin: dunno, not actually a lot, around 5 machines total |
| 03:20.36 | helix | but I killed the competition! |
| 03:20.38 | peterS | Guerin: she defeated gnome via the reboot trick |
| 03:20.43 | peterS | Guerin: that must have been something to see |
| 03:20.44 | Guerin | nice |
| 03:20.51 | abrotman | initech: i ate at the star too .. that was one of the places that i had creole that didn't agree :) |
| 03:20.55 | helix | peterS: you are not supposed to give away my s3kr1ts |
| 03:21.00 | Guerin | helix: did you make video of your special moves? |
| 03:21.05 | initech | abrotman: the star? can't place it |
| 03:21.08 | peterS | helix: I didn't say *how* you beat it |
| 03:21.11 | helix | Guerin: no, but someone took pictures |
| 03:21.14 | abrotman | initech: uhm .. near the house of blues |
| 03:21.16 | peterS | helix: I don't know if anyone else knows your reboot trick |
| 03:21.18 | helix | I don't know if I'll ever see them |
| 03:21.19 | abrotman | initech: hole in the wall :) |
| 03:21.31 | abrotman | initech: nola was good .. but $$$ and it was my night to pay |
| 03:21.41 | helix | peterS: well, I figured if *you* couldn't fix it, I might as well give up and reboot.. |
| 03:21.42 | initech | abrotman: dunna ... yeah nola is good |
| 03:21.51 | abrotman | initech: 4 people .. $250 |
| 03:22.02 | FsckIt | initech: where did you go last time you were here? |
| 03:22.06 | peterS | helix: now you're the one giving away the mystique (: |
| 03:22.07 | helix | peterS: everyone else seemed to think it was magic though |
| 03:22.08 | initech | abrotman: there are many hole in the walls here that are great, but you gotta have someone to show you |
| 03:22.21 | initech | FsckIt: i live in nola! |
| 03:22.26 | helix | because they knew I was yelling many expletives at the screen |
| 03:22.31 | peterS | ha |
| 03:22.33 | dimm0k | anyone able to get the external box for the creative audigy2 zs platinum pro working with alsa? |
| 03:22.33 | abrotman | FsckIt: don't you live in nola too? |
| 03:22.38 | FsckIt | initech: ok, well.. here do you normally go?w |
| 03:22.50 | abrotman | FsckIt: didn't you tell me you're right outside or something> |
| 03:22.56 | peterS | dimm0k: if just loading the 'snd-emu10k1' driver doesn't do the trick, you're probably out of luck |
| 03:22.56 | FsckIt | initech: where, rather... |
| 03:23.00 | initech | FsckIt: normally i cook at home ... but there are some restaraunts that i like |
| 03:23.03 | Guerin | helix: haha, teh magic incantations |
| 03:23.07 | FsckIt | abrotman: yeah |
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| 03:23.19 | helix | Guerin: I think I scared some people |
| 03:23.23 | FsckIt | abrotman: close enough.. in the nola metro area |
| 03:23.26 | helix | "um.. yeah, this is our president :/" |
| 03:23.27 | abrotman | initech: i ate somewhere on charleston too .. dont' remember the name .. we got to watch one of the parades from the window |
| 03:23.29 | peterS | dimm0k: oh, and the 'snd-pcm-oss' module, for non-alsa apps |
| 03:23.32 | Guerin | haha, nice |
| 03:23.36 | FsckIt | initech: such as? |
| 03:23.48 | dimm0k | peterS, doesnt that external box need some sort of options sent to emu-10k1? |
| 03:23.54 | herbi | back |
| 03:24.03 | abrotman | see .. i only live near dan2 .. and he's not old enough to go bar hopping with |
| 03:24.26 | peterS | dimm0k: I do not know. I don't know how an external box qualifies as a sound card anyway. how is it connected to the PC? |
| 03:24.26 | initech | FsckIt: hmm, brightsens (fancy), adolfo's, frankie and johnny's stuf like that |
| 03:24.26 | abrotman | oh .. ESR is around here somewhere too |
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| 03:24.28 | sussudio | peterS: teh USB |
| 03:24.29 | peterS | xam: heh |
| 03:24.35 | FsckIt | initech: hmm, ok |
| 03:24.36 | peterS | sussudio: ah, that's a usb one? |
| 03:24.38 | initech | FsckIt: cafe negril i like too, went there recently |
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| 03:24.42 | graeme_ | imap keeps on giving me this error... Fatal error: can't write proc file, what do i do to stop that? |
| 03:24.44 | abrotman | and i guess bruce mjomin(pgsql guy) |
| 03:24.47 | sussudio | peterS: aren't they all? |
| 03:24.52 | herbi | Phated, im all wet and nice smelling. wanna rub up against me? :D |
| 03:24.54 | peterS | sussudio: I have no idea. |
| 03:24.54 | Guerin | xam: Phated and helix are most DEFINITELY different people |
| 03:25.09 | helix | Guerin: I think his point was that we don't talk to each other |
| 03:25.09 | initech | FsckIt: and you? you live in nola or in the burbs? |
| 03:25.12 | Phated | herbi: Eeeeeew. |
| 03:25.17 | Phated | Guerin: Thank you. |
| 03:25.18 | herbi | Phated, you love it |
| 03:25.21 | Guerin | helix: heh. |
| 03:25.27 | FsckIt | initech: West Bank |
| 03:25.31 | Phated | helix: Hello. Now say something, adn we'll disprove his statement. :D |
| 03:25.32 | peterS | helix: or, put another way, that you are so strange that you do not yak your head off to phated like everyone else seems to |
| 03:25.35 | xam | Guerin: I know, and I didn't mean to imply that ... but maybe there is something between them? ;) |
| 03:25.36 | peterS | helix: or something like that |
| 03:25.40 | initech | FsckIt: best bank, bra |
| 03:25.45 | Phated | peterS: :| Thank you, so very much. |
| 03:25.46 | Guerin | xam: a couple oceans, maybe. |
| 03:25.50 | FsckIt | heh |
| 03:25.50 | helix | peterS: heh |
| 03:25.58 | dimm0k | peterS, it's connected via two cables to the soundcard |
| 03:26.01 | xam | Guerin: that's not what I meant |
| 03:26.04 | peterS | Phated: I'm only guessing at what he's trying to say here |
| 03:26.17 | herbi | peterS, youre better off just ignoring him instead :) |
| 03:26.18 | Phated | peterS: Yeah, guess I can't blame you there. |
| 03:26.27 | Phated | HAH! |
| 03:26.36 | peterS | dimm0k: if it is not itself a sound card plugged into a PCI bus, I don't know what driver would do it |
| 03:26.40 | xam | Phated: so far helix didn't respond :-/ |
| 03:26.40 | FsckIt | initech: in the general Gretna/Stumpf area |
| 03:26.48 | Phated | xam: Exactly. :D |
| 03:26.48 | peterS | dimm0k: if it's a USB thing, the usb audio driver might work.. |
| 03:26.56 | mechan0r | ok you are old when you use the term acid rock |
| 03:27.01 | dimm0k | peterS, ok... well thanks anyway |
| 03:27.04 | helix | what is acid rock? |
| 03:27.07 | xam | Phated: guess she doesn't like you *grin* |
| 03:27.11 | sussudio | helix: rockers on acid? |
| 03:27.12 | herbi | mechan0r, im 19, but i got the cd from an old hippy i smoke with |
| 03:27.23 | Phated | xam: Guess not. |
| 03:27.23 | initech | FsckIt: yeah you got that good pho tau bay out there |
| 03:27.24 | helix | sussudio: I guess. I always thought it was something else. |
| 03:27.26 | herbi | mechan0r, hes into cool bands like hawkwind and stuff :P |
| 03:27.28 | abrotman | god .. does everyone here get high? |
| 03:27.28 | scarynetworkguy | helix: old term for 70's punk/heavy metal |
| 03:27.33 | peterS | xam: I exaggerated ... I think there are actually quite a lot of people who never speak to Phated. I don't even find it all that strange that this would be true |
| 03:27.35 | mechan0r | see oldness is contagious |
| 03:27.37 | helix | abrotman: no |
| 03:27.39 | herbi | abrotman, just me! :D |
| 03:27.41 | abrotman | helix: besides you :) |
| 03:27.47 | abrotman | err .. and me |
| 03:27.50 | helix | abrotman: peterS too |
| 03:27.50 | FsckIt | initech: where? |
| 03:27.58 | Trae[Win] | How do I configure Apache? |
| 03:28.07 | Phated | peterS: There are ~700 on the channel. About ten speak to me. I think you on to something there. :D |
| 03:28.08 | initech | FsckIt: on the expressway, right? the big pink place |
| 03:28.09 | sussudio | helix: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=124 |
| 03:28.12 | herbi | mechan0r, it owns dude. i love it |
| 03:28.18 | peterS | Phated: yeah. so I wonder what xam's point was, after all |
| 03:28.18 | xam | Phated: haha |
| 03:28.25 | nailbiter | Trae[Win]: the traditional way would be by editing "/etc/apache/httpd.conf". |
| 03:28.26 | Phated | peterS: Did he -have- one? |
| 03:28.32 | peterS | Phated: hmmm |
| 03:28.35 | sussudio | christian punk?? |
| 03:28.35 | herbi | peterS, that he has too much time on his hands |
| 03:28.49 | herbi | sussudio, no. not christian punk. acid rock. like...hippy music. |
| 03:28.53 | helix | sussudio: what the hell? |
| 03:28.54 | herbi | from the 70s |
| 03:28.57 | FsckIt | initech: oh that place... driven by bu tnever went in |
| 03:28.59 | helix | herbi: example? |
| 03:29.00 | xam | peterS: considering that only about 30 people actually talk in this channel (usually) ... |
| 03:29.02 | Trae[Win] | nailbiter, thanks |
| 03:29.11 | herbi | helix, imagine jimmy hendrix + electronica, 3 decades ago. |
| 03:29.12 | peterS | xam: oh, look at debstats. it's a lot more than 30 |
| 03:29.19 | Phated | herbi: I saw "happy music" and was in the middle of typing a violent actions. |
| 03:29.20 | abrotman | herbi: try .. 'classic rock' |
| 03:29.28 | helix | herbi: I was hoping for an example of a band/singer |
| 03:29.31 | initech | FsckIt: it's pretty good ... they have that awesome vietnamese espresso with condensed milk thing, great for hangovers |
| 03:29.31 | Guerin | naff rock |
| 03:29.33 | abrotman | herbi: oh .. not classic rock .. real acid rock |
| 03:29.35 | xam | peterS: well, not currently (ie. in the last hour or so) |
| 03:29.38 | sussudio | helix: i hate links |
| 03:29.39 | helix | is raffi "acid rock"? |
| 03:29.42 | nailbiter | xam: lots of people pop in and out during lulls at work. :) |
| 03:29.45 | peterS | xam: oh, in any given hour. yeah, 30 maybe. |
| 03:29.46 | helix | sussudio: oh. try elinks then :P |
| 03:29.46 | herbi | helix, oh im listening to Hawkwind right now... |
| 03:29.51 | mechan0r | vlasic rock |
| 03:29.56 | herbi | helix, other examples include Kraftwerk i guess |
| 03:30.04 | helix | herbi: ah, ok |
| 03:30.07 | herbi | theres some really kickass old bands out there |
| 03:30.10 | sussudio | helix: i think it is |
| 03:30.11 | initech | 90's acid rock is better than 60's acid rock |
| 03:30.17 | abrotman | uhm |
| 03:30.25 | abrotman | Guerin: that stuff rocks! |
| 03:30.27 | Guerin | 90s acid rock? wtf? |
| 03:30.27 | helix | acid rock is a stupid name |
| 03:30.27 | abrotman | !win Guerin |
| 03:30.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, Guerin! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 03:30.33 | xam | initech: no wonder, more acid in the 90's |
| 03:30.34 | mechan0r | Kraftwerk is not rock it's something but acid rock nope |
| 03:30.35 | Phated | initech: What's 90's wacid rock? |
| 03:30.35 | peterS | is acid rock so named for the corroding chemicals, or for the hallucinogen? |
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| 03:30.42 | initech | Guerin: like portishead, etc |
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| 03:30.46 | abrotman | Guerin: few peopel are better than neil |
| 03:30.47 | Guerin | abrotman: Neil is teh man. |
| 03:30.48 | sussudio | helix: http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=366282&lastnode_id=142842 |
| 03:30.50 | helix | I thought that was "trip hop" |
| 03:30.56 | Guerin | initech: portishead != rock. |
| 03:31.01 | initech | helix: same difference |
| 03:31.05 | abrotman | oysterhead! |
| 03:31.14 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: He keeps using that word but I do not think it means what he thinks it means |
| 03:31.15 | xam | helix: trip hop is something like massive attack, or morcheeba |
| 03:31.32 | initech | xam: portishead is usually classed with them |
| 03:31.36 | Guerin | portishead fits into the same category as massive attack, tricky, archive... |
| 03:31.37 | helix | "Another trait was jamming" |
| 03:31.39 | mechan0r | blue oyster cult |
| 03:31.42 | Piggy | toylike people make me boylike |
| 03:31.49 | scarynetworkguy | Portishead *rocks* |
| 03:31.54 | herbi | peterS, hallucinogen |
| 03:32.01 | Phated | FsckIt: Good luckw tih your crabs. |
| 03:32.04 | Phated | with* |
| 03:32.07 | abrotman | why do so many people here have crabs? |
| 03:32.08 | xam | initech, helix: sorry, I missed that stamement about portishead ... yes, I would consider portishead as trip hop, definitely |
| 03:32.22 | sussudio | !be ricky_clarkson barbie |
| 03:32.23 | dpkg | Crabs are HARD! Let's buy crabpaste instead! |
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| 03:32.25 | Guerin | abrotman: makes you wonder what they get up to when NOT on irc :) |
| 03:32.29 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:32.33 | helix | so it's not like, little ditties about h2so4 |
| 03:32.42 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:32.48 | herbi | helix, nope |
| 03:32.52 | mechan0r | dihydrogen monoxide |
| 03:32.55 | helix | shame |
| 03:32.58 | xam | anybody listens to lambchop? |
| 03:33.10 | peterS | mechan0r: why not just hydrogen monoxide? isn't that pretty unambiguous? |
| 03:33.13 | FsckIt | luck? |
| 03:33.15 | abrotman | Guerin: apparently they're all getting high |
| 03:33.15 | helix | tom lehrer is my favorite |
| 03:33.16 | herbi | helix, the current song im listening to is called "You shouldn't do that" and im not sure what its about :P |
| 03:33.39 | herbi | but i want whatever the guy who made the song was smoking |
| 03:33.48 | helix | so you can not make sense as well? |
| 03:33.50 | xam | helix ;) |
| 03:33.56 | Guerin | abrotman: CSNY's 4 way street is the best |
| 03:33.59 | Phated | herbi: It's a) Illegal now. b) Nonexistent now. |
| 03:34.10 | abrotman | Guerin: i'm not as big on csny |
| 03:34.11 | initech | anyway, trip hop is more or less the 90's version of acid rock |
| 03:34.13 | abrotman | but still great |
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| 03:34.18 | Guerin | it's so damn good |
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| 03:34.23 | herbi | Phated, always been ilegal but im pretty sure i can still get some |
| 03:34.28 | helix | I'm not clear on why this music would be better under the influence of drugs |
| 03:34.29 | abrotman | david crosby reminds me of jabba the hut for some reason |
| 03:34.33 | kaloyer | well, it's time to try debian again, any suggestions? |
| 03:34.38 | Guerin | yeah, well, it's all about neil young and stephen stills, the other two I can't get too excited about |
| 03:34.44 | abrotman | kaloyer: sarge installer |
| 03:34.50 | kaloyer | i'm doing that |
| 03:34.54 | Trae[Win] | Apache = webserver for accounts, right? |
| 03:34.55 | kaloyer | but anything else? |
| 03:34.57 | abrotman | Guerin: so you like buffalo springfield? |
| 03:34.58 | Phated | herbi: Meh, go on, then. |
| 03:34.58 | peterS | helix: matter of taste - some people consider *most* music better under the influence, I gather |
| 03:35.05 | helix | why? |
| 03:35.09 | peterS | I do not know |
| 03:35.15 | scarynetworkguy | Neil Young does have some *serious* talent |
| 03:35.21 | xam | helix: obviously you never tried. Perseption is a subjective thing, and it can be influenced by drugs ... |
| 03:35.33 | Guerin | abrotman: yeah, they're pretty good, alright. |
| 03:35.33 | peterS | xam: duh. we know *that* |
| 03:35.35 | helix | xam: I've done lots of things |
| 03:35.39 | Guerin | initech: ah, brilliant. |
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| 03:35.45 | abrotman | there are people who play guitar .. and think its about how many notes .. neil young is a master of which notes! |
| 03:35.49 | abrotman | like clapton :) |
| 03:35.53 | xam | peterS: yeah, I know, stupid statement ... |
| 03:36.04 | xam | helix: I better don't want to know |
| 03:36.06 | xam | ;) |
| 03:36.06 | orlon_ | anyone which debian archive creator that supports the pool structure? |
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| 03:36.24 | mechan0r | what's the pool structure |
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| 03:36.32 | abrotman | apt-mirror? |
| 03:36.41 | helix | yay, ravel |
| 03:36.43 | Guerin | abrotman: Stephen Stills' version of "Black Queen" is what made me want to play guitar |
| 03:36.51 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: no that's just Stuergon's law in action |
| 03:36.58 | xam | helix: btw, how is the preperation for the installfest going? |
| 03:36.59 | orlon_ | mechan0r: /pool/letter/pkgname instead of /dists/blah blah |
| 03:37.00 | Guerin | abrotman: that's on 4 way stree |
| 03:37.05 | helix | xam: the install fest is over |
| 03:37.06 | peterS | helix,xam: hmm. maybe I've got it... |
| 03:37.06 | peterS | helix,xam: maybe acid rock sucks so bad that you *need* to be in some sort of altered state to think it does not suck |
| 03:37.06 | initech | abrotman: dunno, when i think of people who play guitar i think of joe pass or tal farlow .. neil young is more a songwriter |
| 03:37.09 | helix | I have declared myself winner |
| 03:37.10 | abrotman | Guerin: for me . it was probably LZ4 .. going to california |
| 03:37.30 | helix | I hope to never see another debian install |
| 03:37.33 | FsckIt | me attempts to play piano. |
| 03:37.34 | Guerin | abrotman: heh, yeah. |
| 03:37.37 | xam | helix: that was quick ... I though it should have lasted 5 days or so? |
| 03:37.37 | abrotman | initech: there are technical .. like steve vai .. and there are guts players .. liek young |
| 03:37.39 | peterS | helix: welcome to joeyh's world |
| 03:37.40 | orlon_ | abrotman: doesn't seem to exist |
| 03:37.42 | helix | xam: er, no way |
| 03:37.47 | helix | xam: just a few hours |
| 03:37.47 | peterS | xam: you're thinking of gentoo |
| 03:37.49 | helix | peterS: heh |
| 03:37.51 | abrotman | orlon_: notice the '?' ? |
| 03:37.52 | peterS | xam: debian is much faster than that |
| 03:37.57 | xam | peterS: hehe |
| 03:37.58 | initech | abrotman: young and the like are more songwriters than players |
| 03:38.02 | orlon_ | abrotman: faery nuff |
| 03:38.09 | helix | I got to spread a lot of dselect fud |
| 03:38.10 | abrotman | fair enough? |
| 03:38.10 | Guerin | initech: bollocks. |
| 03:38.13 | xam | peterS: couldn't possibly tell, never tried it |
| 03:38.23 | abrotman | initech: perhaps .. but young is still a great guitar player |
| 03:38.31 | abrotman | xoz: olike ... no frickin duh :) |
| 03:38.33 | peterS | xam: nor have I. I actually don't have a week to set aside to figuring out if the gentoo fud is unfair or not |
| 03:38.46 | Guerin | initech: neil young ain't jimi hendrix, but he's got an edge over people like fucking santana. |
| 03:38.51 | helix | yeah, and who would you impress with a stage 3 install? |
| 03:38.53 | initech | abrotman: well, i think he's a good writer, but haven't heard anything that makes me think he's a great player |
| 03:39.00 | peterS | helix: indeed. that's for wusses |
| 03:39.06 | mechan0r | what's wrong w/ santana |
| 03:39.08 | abrotman | initech: find some live stuff ... it just all flows |
| 03:39.09 | initech | abrotman: mind you i am not dissing him |
| 03:39.21 | peterS | optimised for some gentoo developer's machine. bah. |
| 03:39.23 | xam | peterS: so by that resoning debian is for wussies ;) |
| 03:39.24 | helix | you people have such pedestrian taste |
| 03:39.37 | abrotman | initech: also .. read a biography .. and understand most of the people he played with were crackheads and high most of the time |
| 03:39.41 | Guerin | helix: just because we like music in english... |
| 03:39.43 | initech | abrotman: i don't think utah phillips is a great guitar player either but i can listen to hm all day |
| 03:39.51 | helix | Guerin: yeah |
| 03:39.53 | peterS | hey! I'll have you know, Maurice Ravel was French |
| 03:40.08 | Guerin | mm, ravel's piano concerto for the left hand |
| 03:40.13 | Phated | xam: Just hush now, we'll eventually forget you. |
| 03:40.16 | Guerin | ph33r! |
| 03:40.19 | Trae[Win] | but I go to my ip and get "This page cannot be viewd" |
| 03:40.21 | abrotman | initech: there are lots of players who .. 'get it' |
| 03:40.28 | mechan0r | rach III |
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| 03:40.31 | Trae[Win] | says, forbidden |
| 03:40.39 | peterS | Guerin: I don't know that one. I actually am pretty limited in my ravel knowledge. he's just who I'm listening to right now. the Bolero at the moment |
| 03:40.39 | abrotman | mechan0r: ? |
| 03:40.51 | simonrvn | Trae[Win]: sounds like you're running IIS... |
| 03:40.54 | helix | one of my favorite songs ever |
| 03:40.58 | mechan0r | rachmaninoff |
| 03:40.58 | initech | abrotman: yes, and with those that get it, are virtuosos (like joe pass) and everyone else |
| 03:41.00 | simonrvn | helix: mmmm :) |
| 03:41.06 | Trae[Win] | simonrvn, Mind if I msg you? |
| 03:41.10 | peterS | yeah, a good 12 or 13 minutes, plenty long to enjoy it |
| 03:41.14 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, bolero. There's aparently a whole generation sick to death of that, thanks to torvill and dean... |
| 03:41.14 | simonrvn | yes i do mind |
| 03:41.19 | Trae[Win] | Whats IIS? |
| 03:41.24 | peterS | Guerin: I have no idea about *that* |
| 03:41.26 | xam | Phated: that was a pun on helix statement of 'pedestrian taste' *grin* |
| 03:41.32 | simonrvn | m$hit web server |
| 03:41.33 | helix | no one should ever get sick of that song |
| 03:41.40 | abrotman | initech: and i do include young in that .. he can't fill a measure with 32nds .. but he gives it feeling |
| 03:41.41 | Guerin | peterS: get the concerto for the left hand - it's a 1-handed piano concerto written for a player who lost his right hand in the war, and it's awesome. |
| 03:41.49 | Trae[Win] | this ip is shared threw a few computers |
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| 03:41.54 | helix | "through" |
| 03:42.01 | peterS | Guerin: that does sound like it would be pretty cool |
| 03:42.04 | peterS | Guerin: I do like his piano work |
| 03:42.09 | simonrvn | it is |
| 03:42.27 | Trae[Win] | one of the other computers has one |
| 03:42.32 | peterS | mechan0r: to just *what*? |
| 03:42.35 | abrotman | initech: if you need a good overview .. try decade/live rust i guess |
| 03:42.39 | Trae[Win] | How do I make it where I can do IP/~username? |
| 03:42.43 | peterS | mechan0r: you mean a pure scale for some particular key? |
| 03:42.52 | Phated | xam: Uh-huh. Ok. :) |
| 03:42.55 | helix | Trae[Win]: make a directory called public_html in your home dir |
| 03:43.03 | mechan0r | yes the lowest key |
| 03:43.09 | peterS | mechan0r: what is "lowest"? |
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| 03:43.28 | mechan0r | A 55hz |
| 03:43.38 | peterS | mechan0r: oh, the key of A |
| 03:43.48 | hooya | hi peterS |
| 03:43.49 | peterS | mechan0r: that's pretty problematic if you play in any keys other than A, E and D |
| 03:43.52 | peterS | hooya: hey |
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| 03:43.56 | mechan0r | hehe |
| 03:44.00 | simonrvn | initech: heh |
| 03:44.10 | Trae[Win] | alright |
| 03:44.11 | Trae[Win] | thanks |
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| 03:44.31 | hooya | peterS, would you happen to know how i can get at the vars passed to init from a userland script? |
| 03:44.45 | peterS | passed to init? or passed to the kernel? |
| 03:44.47 | sabin | which lib is better libzvt or libvte? |
| 03:44.56 | peterS | hooya: the kernel command line is in /proc/cmdline |
| 03:45.00 | peterS | hooya: IIRC it is null-separated |
| 03:45.00 | kreg | my dsl service is qwest and velocitus using "PPPoA" not PPPoE. I would like to bridge my connection instead. Can the ethernet card in my Linux firewall be setup to talk to PPPoA? |
| 03:45.02 | Trae[Win] | now it just says the page cannot be found |
| 03:45.05 | hooya | peterS, i was under the impression that whatever the kernel doesn't eat up is passed to init.. |
| 03:45.09 | Trae[Win] | Do I need to restart the pache server or something? |
| 03:45.18 | hooya | peterS, ah.. |
| 03:45.18 | peterS | hooya: nah, init scripts sometimes read /proc/cmdline for themselves |
| 03:45.25 | hooya | peterS, ah. |
| 03:45.47 | peterS | hooya: looks like it's actually space-separated, i.e., just like you typed it |
| 03:46.26 | simonrvn | Trae[Win]: if it can't be found then either it doesn't actually exist, or you typed something wrong |
| 03:46.41 | simonrvn | Trae[Win]: there's no point in restarting the server for a 404... |
| 03:46.59 | Trae[Win] | What could I have typed wrong? |
| 03:47.11 | simonrvn | the url... |
| 03:47.33 | hooya | peterS, what i was trying to do is (and i'm sure there's a simpler 'debian way') is to modify the network scripts so that they launch with 'profiles'. ie when i'm at home i have wireless and don't want to wait for the dhclient to try and get an ip for the wired interface... redhat used to have something along those lines. i don't know debian enough to know if it's already there... |
| 03:47.34 | xam | kreg: for a general introduction of PPPoA/E over linux, see http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DSL-HOWTO/configure.html |
| 03:47.49 | Trae[Win] | Im using the ip of the 'network' |
| 03:47.56 | Trae[Win] | its like 2 windows comps and the box |
| 03:48.03 | hooya | peterS, still learning debian, you see.. |
| 03:48.07 | peterS | hooya: there are debian packages for this sort of thing, yes |
| 03:48.27 | abrotman | hooya: netconf or something like that i think |
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| 03:48.33 | t-jack | !start a wm war |
| 03:48.33 | dpkg | blackbox blows! |
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| 03:48.57 | peterS | hooya: see the 'ifscheme', 'laptop-net', 'laptop-netconf', 'ifplugd', 'whereami' |
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| 03:49.13 | peterS | hooya: as with anything worthwhile in Debian, there are a zillion independent packages that do basically the same thing |
| 03:49.17 | Trae[Win] | its like 2 windows comps and the box, could that effect it? |
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| 03:49.19 | hooya | peterS, why doesn't dhclient not recognize the fact that the link is not up on the interfaces? i think at some point in time it did work that way. it doesn't anymore. i don't know too much about drivers and such so i don't know what to look for... |
| 03:49.19 | helix | I wish the last one was more philosophical |
| 03:49.19 | staniel | grah, still can't get gnome to load up... it still freezes on the splash screen :( |
| 03:49.25 | rich_ | Hello |
| 03:49.48 | hooya | peterS, ah. of course. ;) |
| 03:49.48 | helix | there needs to be a 'whereami' that pulls from a jack handy database |
| 03:49.48 | hooya | abrotman, will check it out. thanks. |
| 03:49.58 | helix | staniel: new install? |
| 03:49.59 | peterS | helix: a jack handey database? did his deep thoughts talk about stuff like that? |
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| 03:50.10 | helix | peterS: I dunno, but it would be suitably confusing and quite zen |
| 03:50.13 | staniel | helix: no, not yet, I do not want to do that yet |
| 03:50.15 | peterS | helix: oh, point |
| 03:50.21 | peterS | helix: and geeks seem to eat up anything that seems zen |
| 03:50.25 | squisher | hi everyone! Anyone here that can help with a very weird apache2 problem? |
| 03:50.30 | helix | peterS: yes, exactly |
| 03:50.32 | simonrvn | Trae[Win]: no. why would it? 404 means there's no file of that name.. capiche? |
| 03:50.34 | staniel | helix: im figuring I probably need to get rid of everthing gnome and start over? |
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| 03:50.41 | helix | staniel: are you using sid? |
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| 03:50.45 | hooya | it's quite frustrating to wait for dhclient to time out on an interface that's not even connected. |
| 03:50.46 | peterS | hooya: oh, also 'switchconf' seems to do this |
| 03:50.46 | staniel | helix: yeah |
| 03:50.48 | squisher | apache2 seems to start fine but it immediately quits, w/o any relevant log entries |
| 03:50.55 | Trae[Win] | simonrvn, yeah I understand |
| 03:50.57 | peterS | hooya: I got that list, btw, by running "apt-cache search laptop network" |
| 03:51.00 | Elimin8or | everytime I run Apache2 I get this error: [notice] child pid 7329 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) and it never starts.. any idea? |
| 03:51.00 | Trae[Win] | But I dont see what could be wrong |
| 03:51.02 | helix | staniel: apparently there is some kind of RC bug for gnome-panel |
| 03:51.04 | hooya | peterS, thanks. will check it out. |
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| 03:51.12 | staniel | helix: hmm |
| 03:51.13 | Trae[Win] | Would I need to set something in the config file for it to make it where the shells can use the public_html |
| 03:51.30 | mechan0r | best song ever: Afraid to shoot strangers |
| 03:51.34 | scarynetworkguy | mmmm long pork |
| 03:51.41 | simonrvn | Trae[Win]: try asking in #apache |
| 03:51.42 | hooya | peterS, yeah. still struggling with apt and dpkg. don't know the right kind of search strings yet. |
| 03:51.45 | Piggy | :-| |
| 03:51.46 | hooya | hey scarynetworkguy |
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| 03:51.59 | peterS | hooya: anyway, yeah, "apt-cache search laptop network" gives a buttload of responses, and the ones I mentioned seem relevant |
| 03:52.03 | xam | helix: I think he didn't feel the bite |
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| 03:52.04 | scarynetworkguy | hooya: hey |
| 03:52.24 | staniel | helix: know what bug number? |
| 03:52.25 | helix | xam: they never do. I'm too quick |
| 03:52.36 | xam | helix: vamp? |
| 03:52.38 | helix | staniel: no, it should be at the bottom of the gnome-panel bts page |
| 03:52.40 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, i got a question for ya. would it be totally insane to even consider replacing a cisco router with a linux box? |
| 03:52.59 | scarynetworkguy | hooya: not at all it all depends on your needs. |
| 03:53.02 | initech | hooya: why not? |
| 03:53.05 | simonrvn | hooya: IMO, a step up, but the cisco would be faster :/ |
| 03:53.23 | initech | hooya: you know the juniper routers are actually running BSD |
| 03:53.39 | squisher | Elimin8or: that means it crashes. Could be a number of reasons. Are you running the latest rlease? |
| 03:53.48 | neighborlee | how do I get into runlevel 3 to install nvidia or can it be done via apt-get...cause init 3 isn't working in debian ( or what number should I replace it with?LOL) ( yes ./NV*.run is complaining that i'm not in runlevel 3)..?? |
| 03:53.56 | Elimin8or | squisher yes I am. |
| 03:54.03 | staniel | helix: umm, this isn't a fresh install, if that is the bug you are talking about |
| 03:54.07 | simonrvn | Elimin8or: update ad upgrade. known issue. should be fixed in -10 |
| 03:54.17 | helix | staniel: well, I didn't read the bug report |
| 03:54.21 | hooya | well, i do have a setup at home with iptables magic. and i gots to thinking what exactly does a cisco do that needs $$?? i know zip about ciscos. in fact i know zip about anythign not linux. so... |
| 03:54.22 | Elimin8or | simonrvn I did that |
| 03:54.24 | Elimin8or | didnt help |
| 03:54.25 | helix | staniel: I just know it exists so maybe it's your problem |
| 03:54.32 | helix | staniel: but maybe it isn't. |
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| 03:54.51 | simonrvn | Elimin8or: you sure that everything is of the same version? (-10) |
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| 03:54.59 | initech | hooya: mostly for bgp level stuff, you dont need a cisco router just for a csu/dsu or for a few static routes at all |
| 03:55.06 | Elimin8or | simonrvn how can I tell |
| 03:55.13 | simonrvn | Elimin8or: most importantly, libapr0 |
| 03:55.20 | simonrvn | with dpkg... |
| 03:55.48 | Elimin8or | dpkg I know but how to tell with versions? I mean whats the full command |
| 03:55.49 | dpkg | Elimin8or: You are moron #22 |
| 03:56.19 | staniel | I got a new error though: gnome-smproxy: unable to connect to the session manager |
| 03:56.23 | simonrvn | Elimin8or: no, not the bot |
| 03:56.24 | scarynetworkguy | initech: yup far too many people buy Cisco for no reason other than the fact that it is Cisco |
| 03:56.30 | simonrvn | Elimin8or: man dpkg |
| 03:56.40 | simonrvn | hint: dpkg -l $package |
| 03:56.45 | hooya | initech, you are talking to a networking newbie (outside the lan and point to point stuff). what is bgp? and is it impossible in linux? |
| 03:56.55 | initech | scarynetworkguy: yeah .. or it just gets sold as part of a "solution", but that's ok, it's good stuff mostly |
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| 03:57.10 | initech | scarynetworkguy: linux is more fun tho :) |
| 03:57.15 | squisher | simonrvn: any starting point for an apache2 that quits w/o a segmentation fault OR log entry? |
| 03:57.28 | scarynetworkguy | initech: well their routers are pretty good... |
| 03:57.40 | simonrvn | initech, hooya: you can do bgp with a linux or bsd box and a decent (set of) daemons |
| 03:57.40 | xam | hooya: Border Gateway Protocol ... used for the internet backbone routers |
| 03:57.41 | hooya | initech, yeah. i love iptables. helped me out in pretty sticky situations.. |
| 03:58.07 | hooya | hmm... |
| 03:58.11 | FsckIt | c qwer56t7y8ul'/ |
| 03:58.15 | initech | hoover: bgp = border gateway protocol ... and yes it can be done on linux, but i don't know how good it is (zebra is the package i think) |
| 03:58.20 | FsckIt | sorry.. ignore me |
| 03:58.21 | simonrvn | squisher: well it's supposed to fixed with -10. i'm still in the process of upgrading here... let you folks know |
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| 03:58.36 | simonrvn | initech: no, quagga is more modern |
| 03:58.38 | xam | hooya: I really don't think you need BGP, otherwise you would know it ;) |
| 03:58.42 | initech | hooya: but for firewalls i personally think linux beats the crap out of commercial products |
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| 03:58.56 | simonrvn | initech, hooya: quagga in debian also includes the md5 patch |
| 03:59.05 | squisher | simonrvn: I'm running testing though... I didn't think that a known bug would get in :) |
| 03:59.07 | simonrvn | #quagga |
| 03:59.19 | simonrvn | squisher: what's the version you have? |
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| 03:59.29 | hooya | so let's say i have a T1 drop. with say a class c. would i be interested in bgp? or is it for the ISP guys? |
| 03:59.49 | initech | hooya: no, not at all |
| 03:59.49 | simonrvn | bgp is generally if you have/run an AS.. |
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| 03:59.53 | squisher | simonrvn: 2.0.50-4.woody |
| 04:00.05 | simonrvn | squisher: that's not sarge :) |
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| 04:00.14 | initech | bgp is something network providers deal with |
| 04:00.20 | Flimzy | I have been experimenting with some DVD ripping with dvdrip. Two tests, at different bitrates, using divx5, both show some "horizontal line" distortion in areas of high contrast when the image moves. Is this a defect/drawback of the player I'm using, the encoding method, or the codec (or something else)? And is there any way to avoid this? |
| 04:00.26 | scarynetworkguy | hooya: most likely not |
| 04:00.41 | hooya | xam, the reason i don't know much outside the lan is that our ISP provides the drop, and a cisco with your basic packet filtering and NATs. i take it from there. |
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| 04:00.49 | squisher | simonrvn: yeah, I noticed as well ;-). My sources.list point to testing though... strange |
| 04:00.58 | simonrvn | squisher: really? hmm |
| 04:01.13 | initech | hooya: well that's pretty typical |
| 04:01.22 | simonrvn | updated / upgraded recently? |
| 04:02.02 | hooya | i had the urge to buy a cisco just to figure it out but then thought why not just learn linux better... and if it can do most of those things do i really need to know IOS? you know what i mean... |
| 04:02.14 | xam | hooya: well, if you only manage one class C it is *very* unlikely that you need BGP. It's mainly used for ISPs and maybe large corporate networks |
| 04:02.25 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 04:02.28 | xam | hooya: unless you *want* it, you don't need it |
| 04:02.31 | Flimzy | hooya: Linux is *far* more flexible than Cisco in most things anyway. |
| 04:02.48 | initech | hooya: you don't need to know IOS unless you plan on being a network engineer, a sysadmin does not need to know that |
| 04:02.53 | squisher | simonrvn: ok, found the source. I have an enry for the subversion backport to woody because it was not in testing yet... and the version there is newer than the one in testing :( |
| 04:02.59 | hooya | so then linux is all i need :) |
| 04:03.00 | simonrvn | this is why i wonder my isp went for a cisco instead of the linux box they were using |
| 04:03.07 | Flimzy | hooya: In many areas, Cisco is still easier to set up... and likely more efficient. But Linux is still far more flexible, and definately cheaper. |
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| 04:03.15 | simonrvn | squisher: i see |
| 04:03.21 | FsckIt | Flimzy: hey |
| 04:03.49 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: most likely on the "nobody ever got fired for buying Cisco" theory. you would be shocked how often that is the case |
| 04:03.49 | Flimzy | hooya: I ran a small ISP with POPs in 3 cities for about 3 years... all of my routers ran Linux, with the exception of one Livingston Portmaster 3 that doubled as a modem pool and router for one of my POPs. |
| 04:04.02 | Flimzy | FsckIt: Hey, how goes it? |
| 04:04.04 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: they're like 6 people =) |
| 04:04.11 | hooya | initech, i'm one of those "jack of all but master of none" dealies. programmer, sys admin.. you name it. *inside the lan..* |
| 04:04.14 | squisher | simonrvn: I guess I'll get rid of the woody backport rep. and try it with the version in testing. |
| 04:04.15 | simonrvn | plus maybe a couple of interns |
| 04:04.26 | simonrvn | squisher: good luck |
| 04:04.39 | simonrvn | hooya: join the club |
| 04:04.41 | xam | hooya: BGP can be done with linux anyway, but I'm not sure whether people actually really use linux in those sensitive areas (eg. internet backbone routing) |
| 04:04.51 | FsckIt | Flimzy: I'm doing ok.. I'm on my third long island iced tea, so if I don't make sense, ignore me :-) |
| 04:04.53 | hooya | be right back.. |
| 04:04.55 | squisher | simonrvn: thanks :-) And thanks for the help too (version check finally gave me a hint about what could be wrong) |
| 04:05.04 | initech | i've noticed many cisco folks don't know jack above layer 2 |
| 04:05.05 | Flimzy | hooya: If you ask me, the only reason to ever bother learning Cisco is if you want a job where the idiot HR person thinks CCNA means you know something. |
| 04:05.07 | simonrvn | xam: probably not many, but quagga dev seems to be quite active |
| 04:05.11 | Flimzy | FsckIt: hehe |
| 04:05.19 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: eh then maybe not in that case... happens all the fucking time though |
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| 04:05.32 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: i can imagine |
| 04:05.41 | staniel | anyone know what pkg provide gnome-smproxy |
| 04:06.00 | simonrvn | staniel: check with PDO (packages.debian.org) |
| 04:06.32 | xam | simonrvn: quagga seems to develop rapidly, but I doubt it's deployed on productions servers ... exactly because it seems to be still in some kind of development |
| 04:06.39 | squisher | staniel: dpkg -S gnome-smproxy if you have it currently installed |
| 04:06.40 | rich_ | Seems to me, last time I was at best I mentioned that I was going to use one cable modem for two computers, and they tried to sell me a cisco. Seems to me they are cheaper than pcs. |
| 04:06.40 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: oh yeah |
| 04:06.43 | initech | hooya: generally a sysadmin is concerned with transport layer and above, as far as networking is concerned, the low level stuff is for the cisco guys |
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| 04:07.00 | rich_ | But I could be wrong |
| 04:07.10 | DaDeXTeR | staniel, dpkg -S gnome-smproxy |
| 04:07.21 | rich_ | "baby cisco"'s |
| 04:07.28 | simonrvn | xam: yeh, that's true |
| 04:07.43 | scarynetworkguy | initech: Calling network guys "cisco guys" would be like calling all you sysadmin types "windows guys" |
| 04:07.45 | simonrvn | DaDeXTeR: that'll work only if it's installed already |
| 04:07.53 | DaDeXTeR | DaDeXTeR, true... |
| 04:07.54 | xam | initech: unfortunately that's true. most sysadmins don't care about anything below TCP/IP ... although they should |
| 04:07.54 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: an insult.. |
| 04:07.59 | DaDeXTeR | damn |
| 04:08.03 | DaDeXTeR | talking to myself again |
| 04:08.08 | DaDeXTeR | simonrvn, true |
| 04:08.17 | mechan0r | kinda like XeroX guys |
| 04:08.17 | Flimzy | scarynetworkguy: I'd almost rather be stereo typed with a Windows guy than a Cisco guy. Most "Windows guys" realize that there are other OSes on the planet. |
| 04:08.20 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: IMO yes |
| 04:08.32 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: i do *all* levels here |
| 04:08.37 | scarynetworkguy | Flimzy: oh god don't even get me started |
| 04:08.46 | initech | xam: heh |
| 04:08.48 | xam | Flimzy: oh c'mon, be serious |
| 04:08.50 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: very cool |
| 04:08.53 | simonrvn | from when the conn. to the isp hits here, to the web services and such |
| 04:09.00 | initech | xam: i done my share of that shit |
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| 04:09.27 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: I should learn more server stuff. |
| 04:09.49 | xam | initech: if you have a large enough network, level2 becomes an issue |
| 04:09.49 | initech | xam: but yes, i think a sysadmin is generally busy with applications authentication systems, and the like |
| 04:09.50 | Flimzy | xam, scarynetworkguy: How many CCNAs can name two other brands of routers? How many Windows "gurus" have heard of Linux and Macintosh? |
| 04:09.51 | simonrvn | scarynetworkguy: you can imagine how busy i am ;) |
| 04:10.00 | scarynetworkguy | xam: he is right. Have you ever tried to talk to a Cisco guy about non IP protocols? |
| 04:10.08 | FsckIt | Flimzy: how about with Oracle guys? |
| 04:10.08 | scarynetworkguy | simonrvn: yeah I can. |
| 04:10.19 | Flimzy | FsckIt: Ick... those might even be worse. |
| 04:10.25 | initech | xam: generally you set it up and it works ... if there is a problem in that layer, i can tell, but i wouldn't know how to fix the router |
| 04:10.32 | rich_ | Is it really a person if it doesnt have access to its source code? |
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| 04:10.40 | xam | scarynetworkguy: well, last time I checked, you also need to know token righ for a CCNA ... or is that not true anymore? |
| 04:10.42 | MerlinCorey | depends on what you mean by windows "guru"... most industry "professionals" have seen/had to work with both linux and macintosh at some point... |
| 04:10.59 | xam | s/righ/ring |
| 04:11.12 | FsckIt | Flimzy: see, I'm thinking about learning Oracle next (have experience with MSSQL and PostgreSQL) |
| 04:11.13 | staniel | how do I create a network loopback |
| 04:11.13 | xam | scarynetworkguy: but I get your point |
| 04:11.21 | staniel | seems that in ifconfig, all I have is my eth0 and ppp0 |
| 04:11.24 | simonrvn | nope, still a noop on apahce2. fuck. well, i'm still running 1.3.x ;) |
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| 04:11.32 | MerlinCorey | my own father, who is a sysadmin/networking/windows "guru" (MSCE and everything) had to mess with unix on a regular basis at work because their legacy mail server was on some proprietary unix OS... |
| 04:11.36 | mechan0r | windows guru is an oxymoron or redundant one of those |
| 04:11.39 | MerlinCorey | *MCSE |
| 04:11.47 | scarynetworkguy | xam: maybe on the test I don't know I've never taken it. But if it is it is *only* on the test. Or maybe I just talk to the stupid ones. :) |
| 04:11.48 | xam | !msce |
| 04:11.49 | dpkg | hmm... msce is a Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert. http://www.leftmind.net/~adb/asr/mcse.txt |
| 04:12.05 | DaDeXTeR | I like "Must Consult Someone Else" better |
| 04:12.22 | Flimzy | FsckIt: I have very little first-hand experience with Oracle... but what I have experienced suggests to me that it's huge, bloated, and cumbersome. I'd rather stick with PostgreSQL myself. |
| 04:12.26 | MerlinCorey | old jokes; but I'm beaing serious here... |
| 04:12.27 | simonrvn | MerlinCorey: i think you mean oxymoron |
| 04:12.34 | simonrvn | MerlinCorey: sorry |
| 04:12.35 | peterS | xam: wow, dpkg even knows how it is misspelled. impressive |
| 04:12.35 | xam | scarynetworkguy: maybe a bit of both ;) |
| 04:12.40 | MerlinCorey | simonrvn: you mean.... mechan0r..? |
| 04:12.40 | simonrvn | mechan0r: i think you mean oxymoron |
| 04:12.59 | simonrvn | MerlinCorey: :) |
| 04:13.03 | MerlinCorey | :p |
| 04:13.04 | initech | Flimzy: not if you want to make the $$ |
| 04:13.05 | xam | peterS: what do you mean by misspelled? |
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| 04:13.09 | abrotman | FsckIt: oracle is a pain to get running on debian .. a lot of lying goes on :) |
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| 04:13.29 | initech | FWIW, oracle does get the ducats |
| 04:13.31 | scarynetworkguy | xam: I would dare say that is true. |
| 04:13.32 | peterS | xam: mcse != msce |
| 04:13.33 | FsckIt | Flimzy: that' s what we are using at work, but I've taken a liking to databases, and from what I understand, Oracle is the top of the dogpile |
| 04:13.40 | Flimzy | initech: Where the $$ is, and what works best are usually very different issues :) |
| 04:13.55 | Flimzy | FsckIt: For massively large databases, maybe. |
| 04:14.00 | abrotman | FsckIt: oracle probably is cream of the crop |
| 04:14.02 | xam | peterS: ohh, I see |
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| 04:14.11 | initech | Flimzy: i know. oracle jobs are boring as hell to boot |
| 04:14.13 | Flimzy | FsckIt: I don't know enough about it to really comment specifically on it |
| 04:14.22 | abrotman | mechan0r: what color is that? |
| 04:14.24 | staniel | how do I create a network loopback device? |
| 04:14.31 | FsckIt | abrotman: yeah, this is RedHat, sure |
| 04:14.34 | jeebes | can someone tell me which components of knoppix aren't from debian, I know the hardware detection is different, what else? |
| 04:14.45 | abrotman | FsckIt: it does run on debian .. the AS is another story :) |
| 04:14.48 | Phated | abrotman: Purple. |
| 04:14.49 | FsckIt | Flimzy: me too.. |
| 04:14.54 | Phated | mechan0r: How -did- you get it? |
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| 04:15.11 | bofh80 | hi people. i having a little problem on my debian testing box, trying to log into X through gdm/xdm it says, your session only lasted less that 10 seconds, etc...then xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server..protocol not supported. |
| 04:15.15 | abrotman | FsckIt: somewhere i have instructinos for oracle9 on woody |
| 04:15.21 | FsckIt | Flimzy: though, I'm interested in massively large paychecks :-) |
| 04:15.29 | FsckIt | heh |
| 04:15.32 | simonrvn | FsckIt: i wish |
| 04:15.32 | holycow | hey guys |
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| 04:15.38 | Flimzy | FsckIt: aye :) |
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| 04:15.43 | initech | FsckIt: well the oracle is the way to go :) |
| 04:15.45 | abrotman | FsckIt: you know why those people make a ton of money .. cause it's god damned hard |
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| 04:15.47 | jeebes | people keep saying its a 'mix of unstable and testing' but I won't understand what isn't being updated properly if you make a sane sources.list file |
| 04:15.49 | simonrvn | try doing this on no pay... |
| 04:15.49 | bofh80 | any pointers, i flicking through google, but well, there s a lot. lol. |
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| 04:16.00 | holycow | i want to run an app that is based on gtk1... is that possible in sarge? i'm looking for one just to see what the widget set looks like on those |
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| 04:16.11 | Flimzy | abrotman: that's rarely true in the IT world. |
| 04:16.12 | abrotman | holycow: yes .. i have some running |
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| 04:16.21 | FsckIt | abrotman: what's so hard about it, actually? |
| 04:16.24 | holycow | blah |
| 04:16.34 | DaDeXTeR | bofh80, shut down gdm/xdm and try running startx |
| 04:16.39 | Flimzy | abrotman: Generally, the more experience/education/ass-kissing you do, the more $$ you make... and the less work you actually do :P |
| 04:16.39 | initech | FsckIt: it isn't that it's hard, it's that it's boring :) |
| 04:16.41 | mechan0r | someone I care for very much was offended when I entered in on a conversation she was having in a topic we're both interested after she said "Let me have my own life, I said there you go" I love her but I'm tired of this nick |
| 04:16.42 | simonrvn | holycow: fugly |
| 04:16.45 | abrotman | Flimzy: i've talked to companies that have oracle consultants come .. and it costs an insane amount per hour compared to what i make |
| 04:17.00 | Flimzy | abrotman: Sure... but that's not because it's hard work. |
| 04:17.01 | abrotman | Flimzy: this was a few guys to setup a 9i RAQ on win32 |
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| 04:17.17 | abrotman | FsckIt: what's hard about oracle .. or oracle on debian? |
| 04:17.17 | staniel | how do I create a loopback network device... I try ifup loop and it gives me "failed to stat statefile /etc/network/ifstate: No such file or directory |
| 04:17.18 | Phated | mechan0r: Ouch. |
| 04:17.29 | scarynetworkguy | that hurt my head |
| 04:17.36 | FsckIt | abrotman: oracle in general |
| 04:17.36 | abrotman | Flimzy: i think those guys charged >$500/hour |
| 04:17.55 | holycow | simonrvn, yah? k. someone told me that wxwindows widgets are linked against gtk1, which would explain why wxpython apps are so goddamn awful |
| 04:17.58 | simonrvn | staniel: firstly it's called lo in linux, so your command is wrong. second it shouls have already been set up by the installation |
| 04:17.59 | initech | the question is, how do i get people to pay me the $$ for setting up (free) MTA's with sam and virus filtering |
| 04:18.05 | holycow | i'll google screencaps then |
| 04:18.07 | initech | spam i mean |
| 04:18.08 | Flimzy | abrotman: That still has absolutely no bearing on the difficulty of the task they were performing |
| 04:18.11 | mechan0r | scuse me for a minute while get some self respect back |
| 04:18.15 | Flimzy | staniel: man ifconfig |
| 04:18.15 | abrotman | FsckIt: it's complex .. most of the tools depend on java and it requires certain versions of certain libraries .. like it expects quirks in certain libraries |
| 04:18.19 | Phated | mechan0r: Done. :) |
| 04:18.21 | staniel | simonrvn: thanks :) |
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| 04:18.34 | abrotman | Flimzy: you think they just get paid a lot cause they have brown noses? |
| 04:18.42 | simonrvn | *ding* |
| 04:18.44 | initech | abrotman: yes |
| 04:18.44 | FsckIt | abrotman: but once you get it running, it runs fine? |
| 04:18.45 | Flimzy | abrotman: Probably. |
| 04:18.51 | bofh80 | DaDeXTeR: woot, got a desktop back. something wrong with xdm/gdm? |
| 04:18.53 | MerlinCorey | Flimzy: what field do you work in, specifically..? |
| 04:18.55 | simonrvn | brown stinky nose |
| 04:18.56 | simonrvn | s |
| 04:19.03 | abrotman | FsckIt: i had no problems once i figured it out .. for the database .. the AS was a pain in the ass |
| 04:19.10 | herbi | im about to start making a chicken pie |
| 04:19.15 | DaDeXTeR | bofh80, probably... look at your ~/.xsession-error |
| 04:19.23 | abrotman | Flimzy: i kind of disagree .. but i'm an asshole to work with .. so . i may be biased :) |
| 04:19.24 | initech | abrotman: where i live, IT tops out at about 80K. idiot IT managers make more |
| 04:19.42 | bofh80 | DaDeXTeR: ok, cheers. |
| 04:19.49 | abrotman | initech: dunno .. we have some large companies around here .. doing a lot of different stuff |
| 04:20.01 | FsckIt | initech: I wish I was making 80k |
| 04:20.05 | Flimzy | abrotman: If pay rate were directly, and perportionally linked to diffuclty, then you wouldn't be paying them $500/hr |
| 04:20.08 | initech | FsckIt: me too |
| 04:20.10 | DaDeXTeR | 80k... hummm that would be nice |
| 04:20.21 | MerlinCorey | Flimzy: what part of IT do you work in..? |
| 04:20.26 | initech | 80K is for a hadcore solaris / oracle type |
| 04:20.30 | abrotman | Flimzy: can you setup 9i raq on win32? |
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| 04:20.41 | Flimzy | abrotman: I've never tried. |
| 04:20.50 | elPepo | hi friends... |
| 04:20.52 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: none right now |
| 04:20.53 | abrotman | i got 8i working on win32 .. kind of sucked :) |
| 04:20.53 | DaDeXTeR | takes me 2 years to make 80k in my field |
| 04:20.58 | FsckIt | initech: by the lakefront? |
| 04:21.01 | initech | DaDeXTeR: same here |
| 04:21.06 | Flimzy | abrotman: Anything in Win32 sucks :P |
| 04:21.13 | MerlinCorey | Flimzy: then........ what's your basis here, aside from pulling bull out of your, well, mouth..? |
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| 04:21.27 | abrotman | Flimzy: no .. this was just bad .. although ... easier than convincing 9i that woody was rh7.3 :) |
| 04:21.34 | abrotman | err .. rh AS2.1 or whatever it was |
| 04:21.38 | xam | "You've got 5 moderator points" ... damn, it hate that |
| 04:21.40 | FsckIt | MerlinCorey: he previously ran an ISP.. and runs Debian |
| 04:21.42 | FsckIt | Mer |
| 04:21.44 | elPepo | please, how do I use my winmodem in Sarge ? |
| 04:21.45 | Flimzy | abrotman: hehe |
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| 04:21.53 | initech | FsckIt: anywhere i guess ... that's about the rate for a very experienced solaris/oracle admin, but there are like what? four jobs like that here |
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| 04:22.04 | simonrvn | elPepo: get a real modem if you can |
| 04:22.06 | alejandro_ | for checking the md5sum, the command would be: md5sum -c file.iso right? |
| 04:22.08 | DaDeXTeR | elPepo, advice: you don't |
| 04:22.15 | abrotman | Flimzy: i had like 2 pages of instructions .. and if you failed a single one .. it would mysteriously die :) |
| 04:22.19 | FsckIt | MerlinCorey: what's *your* basis here? |
| 04:22.20 | simonrvn | alejandro_: without options |
| 04:22.22 | abrotman | Flimzy: and some of them were timed |
| 04:22.35 | FsckIt | initech: yeah |
| 04:22.42 | abrotman | like you had a 2 minute window to get it done .. or else |
| 04:22.45 | alejandro_ | simonrvn, thanks ;) |
| 04:22.48 | elPepo | I have a external modem too, but it is only 33.6Kbps |
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| 04:22.56 | MerlinCorey | FsckIt: Jack-of-all-trades IT and professional programming... |
| 04:22.57 | alejandro_ | if the file is big, then takes more time isn't it? |
| 04:22.59 | DaDeXTeR | elPepo, that's better than a winmodem |
| 04:23.07 | simonrvn | elPepo: it'd be easier to set up the external one |
| 04:23.11 | MerlinCorey | next he'll be saying I shouldn't get paid what I do because it isn't so difficult for me... |
| 04:23.12 | initech | FsckIt: really i wold be ok with 50k at a small company that treated me well and gave me some control |
| 04:23.20 | simonrvn | elPepo: and more f/Free |
| 04:23.27 | FsckIt | MerlinCorey: pretty much describes me too.. *shrug* |
| 04:23.38 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: I don't have very much direct experience with Oracle admins, if that's what you're getting at. But I've been involved in various aspects of IT for several years, from owning my own ISP, to working for other ISPs, managing a helpdesk, and doing various levels of IT support/deployment/development for an aircraft manufacturing company. |
| 04:23.41 | FsckIt | initech: well, I've got that.. minus 10k |
| 04:23.42 | scarynetworkguy | initech: true story any job you take for the money is most likely not going to be worth it |
| 04:23.50 | elPepo | nolan, my win-modem have 64k... it works very well in RedHat9 ... but now im trying debian |
| 04:23.50 | abrotman | initech: that's kind of what i have .. and it's not as good as you think .. i get the "you'll do it that way because i'm the boss' shit .. even though he knows he's wrong |
| 04:23.51 | holycow | slightly offtopic ... anyone run a webhosing company? i'm wondering what the general rule of thumb is for hosting many websites on one machine. debian apache defaults to /var/www... but if your hosting multiple sites with multiple accounts, would you generally be creating chrooted unix users, and pointing apache, cgi and proftpd to their home directories? |
| 04:23.55 | initech | FsckIt: where do you work? |
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| 04:24.04 | elPepo | nolan, my win-modem have 64k... it works very well in RedHat9 ... but now im trying debian |
| 04:24.07 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: And in every one of those areas it has held true that pay rate and difficulty of the task performed are never closely related. |
| 04:24.13 | DaDeXTeR | 64k? |
| 04:24.17 | abrotman | xam: windows server :) |
| 04:24.18 | Phated | Gents... Why do you need to justify yourselves to each other? We're all in the same Debian-running boat here... |
| 04:24.20 | MerlinCorey | Flimzy: then who are you to say anything about what an oracle consultant should be paid, or even the level of difficulty involved..? |
| 04:24.22 | elPepo | no, my win-modem have 64k... it works very well in RedHat9 ... but now im trying debian |
| 04:24.26 | holycow | Flimzy, thats very true |
| 04:24.27 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: 95% of what any IT person does can be handled by someone two paygrades below them. It's the 5% you pay 200% more for. |
| 04:24.27 | xam | abrotman: ahh, I see |
| 04:24.36 | abrotman | justify? |
| 04:24.37 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: I just told you. |
| 04:24.39 | sussudio | !confuse elPepo |
| 04:24.40 | dpkg | no, how are our ferret tomorrow, elPepo? by order of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra herring |
| 04:24.44 | hooya | would be nice to run my own business.. |
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| 04:24.55 | MerlinCorey | Flimzy: not always, man, not always :) |
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| 04:24.58 | fooz | it would be nice to be rich |
| 04:25.00 | abrotman | Phated: justify? |
| 04:25.09 | Phated | abrotman: Yes. |
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| 04:25.09 | abrotman | Phated: and who are these Gents? |
| 04:25.20 | hooya | it would be nice to be *filthy* rich. |
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| 04:25.24 | fooz | that too |
| 04:25.27 | Phated | abrotman: You're right. s/Gents/Males/ |
| 04:25.28 | MerlinCorey | there's a certain 2-3% who are quite specialized and there's no one below them to handle the job... |
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| 04:25.33 | FsckIt | initech: a small company in Gretna that primarily does foodshows |
| 04:25.43 | abrotman | Phated: s/Males/Dudes :) |
| 04:25.49 | xam | Phated: s/Males/dick driven/ ? ;) |
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| 04:25.56 | hooya | FsckIt, you need lead retrieval? |
| 04:25.57 | MerlinCorey | :) |
| 04:26.00 | Phated | abrotman: Right now... s/Dudes/Idiots/ |
| 04:26.02 | simonrvn | well, i actually do have stuff to do here. later |
| 04:26.04 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: That's true, for specific areas. But even so, a less-qualified specialist can probably do 95% of their work. |
| 04:26.04 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Yes, I know that. :) |
| 04:26.15 | MerlinCorey | :D |
| 04:26.15 | abrotman | Phated: s/Idiots/Buttheads? |
| 04:26.21 | Phated | xam: That was way too moronic, even for you. |
| 04:26.25 | MerlinCorey | FIRE FIRE heh heh heh |
| 04:26.26 | MerlinCorey | :p |
| 04:26.31 | Phated | abrotman: Ahh, no, I'll stick with Idiots. |
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| 04:26.34 | initech | FsckIt: well 40K is not so bad, if there's not too much bullshit. But 40K does not go a long way these days, 50 even. I mean fucking houses are outrageous, huh? |
| 04:26.36 | noderat | Do you have to edit a config file or run a script to make things in /etc/init.d/ to run on startup? When I used to use gentoo we used rc-update, whats the debian version? |
| 04:26.49 | Phated | beth: Yes, hello, welcome to the club. |
| 04:26.56 | xam | Phated: damn, I really thought there was a limit |
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| 04:27.00 | MerlinCorey | beth: you're far from involved in this pissing match, yet :) |
| 04:27.01 | ddoc | noderat: rcconf |
| 04:27.08 | noderat | ddoc: Thanks |
| 04:27.10 | ddoc | at least thats what i use |
| 04:27.10 | abrotman | beth: we know you're better than us .. you don't have to rub it in :) |
| 04:27.15 | Phated | xam: Always is. |
| 04:27.18 | FsckIt | initech: I've go an apartment... bu tyeah, houses are outrageoooous |
| 04:27.23 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: On a very low level, most highschool students can install software, CD drives, etc, for their friends at $10/hour. But when something goes wrong, the friend gladly pays $75+/hr to a computer store to troubleshoot and fix it. The guy at the computer store barely knows more than the highschool student... but the 5% more he knows is what counts. (A very simplified example) |
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| 04:27.27 | MerlinCorey | beth: we still love you, though... |
| 04:27.27 | Fr0z3n | I need help with my sound card can some one help me please? |
| 04:27.35 | noderat | ddoc: That doesn't exist, do I have to install it? |
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| 04:27.44 | ddoc | noderat: apt-get install rcconf |
| 04:27.49 | Phated | Flimzy: Take it to #comp-coms, thank you. |
| 04:27.51 | ddoc | noderat: its not in by default i dont think |
| 04:27.54 | FsckIt | hooya: lead retrieval? |
| 04:27.56 | initech | FsckIt: i mean WTF. it almost seem like just to buy a house you have to make six figures or something |
| 04:27.58 | noderat | ddoc: Even in sarge? weird |
| 04:28.04 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: But the same principal often holds true higher up in the IT field... until, as you mentioned, very specialized areas. |
| 04:28.07 | timello | hi! How Can I install all packs from a cd using apt-get? |
| 04:28.10 | Flimzy | Phated: Thanks for the suggestion, but no thanks. |
| 04:28.11 | MerlinCorey | yar, I'm done as well... We're just going to go in circles; it seems idealogical... |
| 04:28.17 | ddoc | noderat: i dont think its the "official" way to do that but it works for me usually |
| 04:28.20 | hooya | FsckIt, yeah. shows -> lead retrieval |
| 04:28.24 | abrotman | noderat: update-rc.d |
| 04:28.25 | fooz | initech, you don't pay cash for a house usually.. |
| 04:28.29 | ddoc | noderat: nice ncurses interface |
| 04:28.31 | MerlinCorey | and a bit of overoptimism... |
| 04:28.40 | MerlinCorey | and comparing idiocy to real industry... |
| 04:28.41 | fooz | initech, you pay for them over 20 years |
| 04:28.44 | MerlinCorey | well, maybe that's not so bad... |
| 04:28.44 | MerlinCorey | :p |
| 04:28.50 | hooya | fooz, yeah. then the only thing *you* own is a loan. the bank owns the house. |
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| 04:28.55 | initech | fooz: i know that, but fuck, they are wanting way too much money for what you get |
| 04:29.00 | noderat | ddoc: It doesn't seem to have firehol in the list but its in the folder |
| 04:29.02 | fooz | initech, i'm not disagreeing |
| 04:29.04 | FsckIt | hooya: I don't get it... |
| 04:29.05 | noderat | abrotman: Hmm, I'll look at it |
| 04:29.13 | hooya | FsckIt, fsckit. ;) |
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| 04:29.48 | MerlinCorey | ok... |
| 04:29.55 | Phated | rares: Yeah, didn't you miss the biting sarcasm? |
| 04:29.55 | noderat | abrotman: So how would I add /etc/init.d/firehol to start up before any other network services? |
| 04:29.57 | MerlinCorey | but one more, just because I'm an ass... |
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| 04:30.11 | Phated | MerlinCorey: No, you're a gentleman. Now pull out my chair and hush |
| 04:30.13 | Phated | . |
| 04:30.18 | rares | Phated biting sarcasm where |
| 04:30.18 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 04:30.20 | xam | Phated: I wonder what you want to do when you grow up (no offense intended). I mean do you know what kind of job you want to do later, probably your whole life long? |
| 04:30.28 | hooya | just out of curiosity, anyone here interested in SAT solvers? |
| 04:30.33 | Phated | xam: Advertising/networking. One of those. |
| 04:30.43 | Phated | rares: Oh, scattered all over. |
| 04:30.58 | Phated | FsckIt: *whap* |
| 04:31.01 | MerlinCorey | oh, you'll get smacked... |
| 04:31.02 | MerlinCorey | see... |
| 04:31.03 | MerlinCorey | :P |
| 04:31.08 | Phated | FsckIt: Don't mess with me, I'm a brownbelt. |
| 04:31.15 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Why, thank you. *flutters* |
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| 04:31.28 | Phated | MerlinCorey: You know me too well... :D |
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| 04:31.45 | MerlinCorey | wow, and we've known each other for such a short time... soul mates..? |
| 04:31.47 | MerlinCorey | :p |
| 04:31.50 | FsckIt | Phated: :-) |
| 04:31.54 | abrotman | noderat: i don't know the syntax .. but it's the debian way .. man update-rc.d |
| 04:31.58 | rares | well hey whatever just as long as I don't have to use that fucking nick anymore |
| 04:32.03 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Hahahahaha, sorry, but no. :) Friends though. :D |
| 04:32.06 | Phated | FsckIt: :P |
| 04:32.18 | Phated | rares: Eh? |
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| 04:32.46 | MerlinCorey | Phated: I can live with that... I think there would be a more electric effect if I were to find my soulmate on IRC... servers perpetually crashing with my luck... |
| 04:32.49 | rares | Phated remember I said something about getting my self respect back |
| 04:32.49 | FsckIt | Phated: you say "You'll get smacked" like it's a bad thing... |
| 04:32.57 | Phated | rares: Ohh, that was you. :D |
| 04:33.05 | FsckIt | Phated: :-) |
| 04:33.08 | rares | yup |
| 04:33.12 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Yeah. :) Friends is good. :D |
| 04:33.16 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 04:33.22 | Phated | FsckIt: That was MerlinCorey who said it, thank you, not me. |
| 04:33.23 | rares | I am so wicked sick of that nick |
| 04:33.29 | Phated | rares: This is a good one. |
| 04:33.30 | xam | rares: did the nick change help so far? |
| 04:33.37 | ddoc | anyone ever rebuilt a dpkg database on sarge? |
| 04:33.45 | FsckIt | Phated: oh, well, the idea stands |
| 04:33.50 | rares | rares is my first name |
| 04:33.57 | rares | nick schmick |
| 04:34.00 | Phated | FsckIt: Heck no... The idea, essentially... Falls. |
| 04:34.08 | MerlinCorey | FsckIt: are you coming onto me..? I think I'll have to go with Phated's strategy here...... |
| 04:34.16 | Phated | rares: That's your real first name? That's cool. :) |
| 04:34.24 | FsckIt | MerlinCorey: um, no |
| 04:34.51 | MerlinCorey | sorry; the russian rap confused me... |
| 04:34.54 | initech | ddoc: heh ... you need to back up /var/lib in debian |
| 04:35.06 | MerlinCorey | to south african rock! |
| 04:35.08 | MerlinCorey | :p |
| 04:35.10 | ddoc | initech: yeah yeah i have this script ... |
| 04:35.35 | hooya | MerlinCorey, didn't know south africa had rocks. thought it was all sand |
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| 04:35.51 | Phated | And where does sand come from? |
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| 04:35.58 | MerlinCorey | hooya: hell, they've even got broadband (it's expensive and capped) |
| 04:36.08 | FsckIt | Phated: brown belt in what martial art? |
| 04:36.11 | hooya | Phated, it comes from prehistoric rocks. |
| 04:36.12 | Phated | Pebbles. And where do pebbles come from? Stones. And stones come from rocks. |
| 04:36.13 | initech | hooya: they have mines, diamonds are big there |
| 04:36.25 | Phated | FsckIt: Taekwondo. It's fun. :D |
| 04:36.28 | hooya | initech, yeah, the debeers crap. |
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| 04:36.54 | rares | and microprocessors come from silicon whcomes from sand |
| 04:36.54 | Fluten | can debian be installed with no hard drive? |
| 04:36.56 | hooya | initech, they're big everywhere. debeers wants you to think it's big only in south africa. |
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| 04:37.19 | initech | hooya: oh no russia too, eh? |
| 04:37.30 | FsckIt | Phated: cool.. I have somewhat random thoughts of taking Aikido, actually |
| 04:37.34 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Very nice. |
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| 04:37.36 | Xenguy | Fluten: you ask the damndest questions ;-) |
| 04:37.37 | rares | MerlinCorey, hello world in brainfuck? |
| 04:37.42 | hooya | initech, it's the whole supply side control mantra. sorry, i have a slight peeve about diamonds. |
| 04:37.47 | xam | MerlinCorey: you mean something with a recursion? ;-P |
| 04:38.00 | hooya | initech, wouldn't you know it. |
| 04:38.07 | ddoc | initech: i got the script itself to work but lib6c complains about the preinst failing |
| 04:38.07 | MerlinCorey | rares: actually, I like the towers of hanoi solution in brainfuck - looked at it..? |
| 04:38.07 | initech | hooya: well wtf is up with those guys in florida with their synthetic diamonds? |
| 04:38.13 | Fluten | Xenguy, guess some people are starting to remember my nick ;-) |
| 04:38.15 | FsckIt | xam: I did recursion in HS |
| 04:38.18 | scarynetworkguy | MerlinCorey: not something I'd go around telling people about where I you |
| 04:38.28 | Xenguy | Fluten: hehe |
| 04:38.29 | MerlinCorey | xam: nah, they teach that in high school... it's a good bad practice to level the playing field... |
| 04:38.32 | ddoc | initech: well dpkg complains about libc6's preinst failing |
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| 04:38.34 | rares | MerlinCorey, I phear |
| 04:38.45 | initech | ddoc: man i don't know, never had to do that |
| 04:38.45 | hooya | initech, did you notice the recent "engraved to certify authenticity" campaign. explains the synthetics showing up all of a sudden doens't it? |
| 04:38.58 | MerlinCorey | rares: had much experience with COW..? |
| 04:39.02 | Phated | FsckIt: Ooo. Very nice. |
| 04:39.10 | rares | COW? |
| 04:39.11 | initech | hooya: it doesn't matter, the synthetics will dominate the tech industry regardless |
| 04:39.28 | MerlinCorey | yeah; it's an assembly language with all the commands case variations of MOO... |
| 04:40.03 | hooya | initech, IMHO, synthetics are just as authentic as the 'authentics'. compressed carbon. the light reflection shit is totally due to cuts. nothing to do with the diamond itself. |
| 04:40.11 | Phated | moo Moo mOo moO MOo MoO mOO MOO |
| 04:40.15 | Phated | Hahahahahahaha. |
| 04:40.15 | initech | hooya: yep |
| 04:40.22 | MerlinCorey | you just crashed your hard drive, Phated... |
| 04:40.23 | MerlinCorey | :P |
| 04:40.24 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: So there are only 8 commands? |
| 04:40.28 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Uh-huh. |
| 04:40.29 | Fluten | Phated, apt-get moo? |
| 04:40.33 | FsckIt | Phated: part of my 2nd year (data strutcture) |
| 04:40.36 | Phated | Fluten: Hell yes. |
| 04:40.40 | Phated | FsckIt: :D |
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| 04:40.42 | hooya | apt-get moo: udder failure. |
| 04:40.46 | Xenguy | Fluten: no, apt-get cowsay ;-) |
| 04:40.51 | MerlinCorey | Flimzy: real programmers know you don't need more than 0's and 1's ;) |
| 04:40.51 | Phated | Ahhh, cowsay... |
| 04:40.52 | Fluten | Phated, have you mooed today? |
| 04:40.54 | Xenguy | Fluten: er, apt-get *install |
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| 04:40.58 | nailbiter | rares: COW = copy-on-write. |
| 04:41.02 | Fluten | Xenguy, no, sex | cowsay |
| 04:41.04 | Phated | Fluten: Er, yes, obviously. |
| 04:41.07 | initech | hooya: not that a i really have a grip on all this stuff, but from what i've read, synthetic diamonds are going to be huge in technology |
| 04:41.09 | Phated | Fluten: :D |
| 04:41.19 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: That may not always be true... I can't wait to get my hands on my first quantum PC ;) |
| 04:41.26 | FsckIt | Phated: 3rd year was Doom and Quake... :-) |
| 04:41.41 | MerlinCorey | I'll be holding my breath for worldwide marijuana legalization first, Flimzy... |
| 04:41.45 | trashmatic | i just updated debian unstable... gdm is now broken and gives me some garbled error message, and kdm won't install because the kdelibs4 package is too old... |
| 04:41.47 | Phated | Hahahahaha. That's it, comp sci for me in Poly. |
| 04:41.54 | hooya | initech, i hope so. diamonds are useful for cutting. it's good that we can make 'em and have a decent supply. |
| 04:41.54 | Fluten | that would print out random obscene sentances |
| 04:41.58 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Not gonna happen. |
| 04:42.09 | Phated | Fluten: You want apt-get install fortunes-off |
| 04:42.11 | initech | MerlinCorey: there is a conspiracy against marijuana |
| 04:42.14 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: That seems a silly thing to say... but I trust you have a reason. Why so pescimistic about quantum PCs? |
| 04:42.15 | MerlinCorey | Phated: no sooner than a true quantum computer... |
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| 04:42.43 | rares | initech it's so people won't be turned left wing |
| 04:42.43 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Exactly. |
| 04:42.43 | Xenguy | initech: yeah, but I keep wondering why - there's $$ to be made |
| 04:42.50 | initech | hooya: google a bit for it, they intend to make cpu's and so forth out of them |
| 04:42.51 | xam | Fsckit: (Godan-)Judo/Goshin-Jutsu (brown belt), Aikido (Orange belt), and a little bit of Ninjitsu (yellow belt). Unfortunately nothing the last 3 years ... thinking of starting Hapkido, since there is a 7th dan here |
| 04:42.59 | MerlinCorey | Phated: that was my point, dear friend :) |
| 04:43.04 | initech | Xenguy: more $$ if it's illegal |
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| 04:43.13 | ddoc | anyone gotten v4l2 on 2.6 working? |
| 04:43.15 | Xenguy | initech: not for the feds tho |
| 04:43.17 | MerlinCorey | initech: untrue and unresearched, I see... |
| 04:43.18 | initech | Xenguy: it's a useful money laundering thing |
| 04:43.29 | hooya | initech, well, cool. but i'm gonna sound like a hypocrite in front of the wife when *i* buy diamonds now.. :( |
| 04:43.39 | initech | Xenguy: hell yeah, the fed imports much coke and pot via the cia |
| 04:43.41 | Xenguy | initech: so yer saying the feds are already making $$ of it |
| 04:43.47 | Fluten | Phated, cant find an option in it like gentoo's "sex", or is it just more hidden? |
| 04:43.54 | Xenguy | initech: I've heard of such rumours |
| 04:43.55 | FsckIt | xam: which would you recommend, actually? |
| 04:43.56 | Phated | Fluten: Yep. |
| 04:44.04 | initech | Xenguy: google for "BCCI" |
| 04:44.09 | Xenguy | initech: OK |
| 04:44.20 | MerlinCorey | Xenguy: rumors they remain... they actually SPEND money on the drug war; that's what's so bad about it... |
| 04:44.25 | rares | if the CIA created Al-Qaeda what else can we expect |
| 04:44.39 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: Why do you think quantum computers are unrealistic? |
| 04:44.52 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: Not that I'm disgreeing with you... I don't know enough about it to form my own opinion just yet. |
| 04:45.11 | MerlinCorey | Flimzy: I didn't say that; you're assuming I think marijuana legalization is unrealistic, when I feel it really around the corner... |
| 04:45.17 | initech | BCCI was the one time the money launderng schemes with illegal drugs got actually exposed |
| 04:45.18 | MerlinCorey | 10-15 years latest, methinks... |
| 04:45.32 | initech | the world banking system depends on illegal drug money |
| 04:45.37 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: World-wide legalization will never happen. There will *always* be some country that thinks it's bad. |
| 04:45.46 | ddoc | who had the soundcard problem? |
| 04:45.51 | MerlinCorey | Flimzy: all the countries that count, then..? |
| 04:45.52 | MerlinCorey | :p |
| 04:45.54 | rares | Flimzy there's some curious funny business that may destroy entanglement theories which quantum computing depends on |
| 04:46.06 | Flimzy | MerlinCorey: This could quickly turn into a racial debate, I see :P |
| 04:46.12 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 04:46.16 | xam | I liked Aikido alot (but depends on the style: tried different styles, can only recommend tendo-ryu), but Goshin-Jutsu is more practical, and more 'serious'. Aikido has a nice philosophy though |
| 04:46.20 | Flimzy | rares: Oh? Any resources I can read on it? |
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| 04:46.25 | FsckIt | initech: where do yo work? |
| 04:46.27 | initech | none of these people are actually anti drug themselves, Bush is a fucking coke head, for christsakes |
| 04:46.32 | rares | spaceandmotion.com |
| 04:46.32 | rich_ | Im not hot to pay taxes on pot |
| 04:46.34 | hooya | rares, right about now, there's only one entanglement theory that i'm interested in. |
| 04:46.36 | initech | FsckIt: MMS |
| 04:46.46 | MerlinCorey | initech: put down the conspiracy theories (well, most of them)... |
| 04:46.53 | FsckIt | MMS? |
| 04:46.59 | rares | hooya you and 3 Billion other guys |
| 04:47.02 | Xenguy | initech: well well, that is interesting stuff ;-) |
| 04:47.05 | initech | FsckIt: minerals management service |
| 04:47.24 | hooya | rares, yeah. but i'm about to try my theory out tonight ;) |
| 04:47.28 | FsckIt | initech:I'm sorry but I've not heard of it |
| 04:47.31 | MerlinCorey | FsckIt: or a windows multimedia protocol for windows media player.. |
| 04:47.52 | Xenguy | xam: is that any relation to Jui-Jitsu ? |
| 04:48.02 | hooya | anyone know bonsai? |
| 04:48.06 | meow | what kind of install should i do (sarge) for a basic install, with dev libs, but no kde/x |
| 04:48.06 | rares | hooya I want a full publishable report on your findings |
| 04:48.09 | Phated | Oo, I like bonsai. |
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| 04:48.39 | Phated | meow: One where you bypass tasksel and dselect. Apt-get whatever you need. |
| 04:48.43 | hooya | rares, i would but it's highly classified. orders from above. |
| 04:48.56 | meow | tasksel didn't seem to be an option |
| 04:49.03 | meow | i don't mind tasksel... |
| 04:49.05 | rares | oh so she's on top |
| 04:49.15 | Phated | Tasksel sucks. |
| 04:49.27 | meow | dselect is unfamiliar to me =\ |
| 04:49.29 | rares | tasksel is redundant |
| 04:49.33 | hooya | Phated, i've always wanted to learn bonsai. since i first knew about it. i think Mr. Miyagi had somethign to do with it ;) |
| 04:49.42 | rares | aptitude blows dselect |
| 04:49.43 | Phated | hooya: Mr Miyagi is teh man. |
| 04:49.44 | MerlinCorey | so much, on my last install of sarge, tasksel came up and disapeared into an apt-get session before I could even select anything... |
| 04:49.48 | MerlinCorey | can't say it was overly bad :p |
| 04:49.50 | scarynetworkguy | hooya: heh |
| 04:49.56 | MerlinCorey | got a much cleaner system... |
| 04:49.57 | hooya | Phated, yeah. ;) |
| 04:50.05 | meow | merlin: haha |
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| 04:50.40 | xam | Fsckit: well, Goshin-Jutsu is basically Judo, Jui-Jistu, Aikido mixed together ... Godan-Judo is basically Jui-Jitsu (with kicks etc,) but with focus on defense |
| 04:50.43 | initech | FsckIt: a governmet shop in elmwood |
| 04:50.46 | FsckIt | Phated: there's a bonsai group here in NOLA |
| 04:51.08 | FsckIt | initech: oh, ok |
| 04:51.10 | xam | s/Fsckit/Xenguy |
| 04:51.11 | initech | brazilan ju-jitsu rules |
| 04:51.17 | initech | :) |
| 04:51.18 | scarynetworkguy | FsckIt: WTF if NOLA? |
| 04:51.21 | Phated | FsckIt: What's NOLA? |
| 04:51.22 | hooya | Phated, was watching reruns of M*A*S*H and saw Mr. Miyagi tho he wasn't Mr. Miyagi and he couldn't do any of that cool shit. lots of dreams shattered. :( |
| 04:51.38 | Phated | hooya: Yes, yes. I stuck with Karate Kid, thank you. |
| 04:51.40 | initech | scarynetworkguy: "New Orleans, Louisiana" |
| 04:51.48 | FsckIt | Phated: New Orleans, Louisiana |
| 04:51.54 | Phated | Meh. |
| 04:52.06 | FsckIt | Phated: i.e. where I am |
| 04:52.08 | rares | Orliuhns |
| 04:52.23 | MerlinCorey | I liked Mr. Miyagi playing poker on Insomniac - Las Vegas... he was rippin' it up... |
| 04:52.28 | rich_ | xam I never met anyone who could do that kind of math before. Whats fred astair mixed with iggy pop? |
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| 04:52.29 | MerlinCorey | ;) |
| 04:52.33 | rich_ | :) |
| 04:52.37 | hooya | Phated, do you do that one legged eagle jumparooni shit? |
| 04:52.58 | hooya | My Miyagi is cool. |
| 04:53.03 | Phated | hooya: I can. |
| 04:53.05 | hooya | s/My/Mr./ |
| 04:53.08 | scarynetworkguy | and I thought my grip on reality was shakey |
| 04:53.19 | Phated | hooya: Also, crane, not eagle. Also, he teaches karate, not taekwondo. |
| 04:53.31 | xam | Xenguy: Hapkido(korean) is similar in technique to Aikido (from what I've seen, but I have to try it out first) |
| 04:53.32 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, you'd be surprized |
| 04:53.40 | xam | rich_: haha |
| 04:53.54 | meow | is gcc-3.3 fine with 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:54.02 | hooya | crane and eagle. i like that movie. ;) |
| 04:54.10 | hooya | never mind. |
| 04:54.10 | scarynetworkguy | hooya: every single fucking day of my life |
| 04:54.28 | yarjar | meow: Why wouldn't it be? I hate GCC 3.4 |
| 04:54.30 | hooya | Phated, yeah, i figured that out from the title of the movie. ;) |
| 04:54.51 | Phated | hooya: Yeha. :) |
| 04:54.54 | hooya | Phated, i'm not quite as dumb as i, umm.., type |
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| 04:55.06 | Xenguy | xam: I've vaguley heard of hapkido - I seem to recall it may be more TaiKwanDoish (kicks etc.) but honestly I don't recall as it was too long ago |
| 04:55.07 | hooya | ;) |
| 04:55.09 | Phated | hooya: It's the nick giving me that impression, then. |
| 04:55.17 | FsckIt | rares: Zippy was the ONLY guy who could SHOUT without annoying EVERYBODY! |
| 04:55.21 | yarjar | Ouch, diss. |
| 04:55.31 | Phated | yarjar: Heyas. |
| 04:55.31 | xam | rich_: no seriously. Judo was derived from Jui-Jitsu, and there exists basically two kinds: Gedan-Judo (the Judo most people do, with competitions, no kicks etc.), and Godan-Judo (self-defence) |
| 04:55.38 | hooya | Phated, yeah, i kinda goofed up. was trying to do the hoowa.. thing ended up with hooya. close enough. |
| 04:55.39 | yarjar | Phated: sup |
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| 04:55.46 | Phated | hooya: HAhahahaha. |
| 04:55.51 | Phated | yarjar: Not much, 'self? |
| 04:55.57 | micheal | how do you change swap space priority? |
| 04:56.12 | yarjar | Phated: Not much here either... finally got off my lazy ass and ordered my new webhost... But my interest in #debian wore off after a few days :( |
| 04:56.12 | rares | in /etc/fstab I think |
| 04:56.24 | micheal | for some reason my system will use all RAM, then switch to swap, but it slows down a lot and I can't do anything locally |
| 04:56.27 | Phated | yarjar: Haha. Your loss. :) |
| 04:56.27 | peterS | micheal: yeah, priority=n or similar, in the flags field of fstab |
| 04:56.28 | scarynetworkguy | hooya: /nick whateveryouwantyournicktobe |
| 04:56.32 | peterS | micheal: maybe prio= |
| 04:56.38 | ddoc | initech: haw haw i did it! backups are for the weak! |
| 04:56.43 | hooya | scarynetworkguy, i was just kidding. |
| 04:56.54 | yarjar | Phated: yep. But this means I'm actually getting other stuff done. |
| 04:56.58 | whateveryouwanty | haha |
| 04:57.01 | Phated | yarjar: Yay. :) |
| 04:57.05 | Phated | :| |
| 04:57.11 | whateveryouwanty | scarynetworkguy, didn't work. |
| 04:57.13 | nailbiter | micheal: you'll want to track down the program that's ballooning; changing swap priorities won't make the kernel avoid paging out to swap. |
| 04:57.21 | initech | ddoc: cool |
| 04:57.22 | rares | there's a char limit |
| 04:57.24 | yarjar | Phated: Yep... Almost finished building my desk... Cleaned up my room... woo |
| 04:57.30 | hooya | :) |
| 04:57.46 | Phated | yarjar: Wow. :| |
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| 04:58.00 | hooya | oh, man. i'm starting to get slaphappy. on IRC! yelp |
| 04:58.08 | yarjar | Phated: Yep. :-O |
| 04:58.08 | micheal | nailbiter, it only happens when I burn with k3b |
| 04:58.14 | Phated | yarjar: Exactly. |
| 04:58.24 | yarjar | Phated: Quite. |
| 04:58.26 | micheal | I updated to 2.6.8.1 yesterday, so that could be a problem |
| 04:58.35 | nailbiter | micheal: do you have a tmpfs mounted at /tmp? and you're opting to create iso images before burning them, rather than burning on-the-fly? |
| 04:58.47 | xam | Xenguy: hapkido has kicks, aswell as weapons etc. basically every kind of technique. However one essential thing are the 'round' or circular movements |
| 04:58.53 | yarjar | Damn you beef, you win this time! |
| 04:58.55 | helix | the world will be a better place |
| 04:59.10 | micheal | nailbiter, it's a iso image coming off a samba share, I've done it many times before with a problem and now it's on the fritz |
| 04:59.20 | xam | Xenguy: which is also the essential movement in Aikido |
| 04:59.26 | DB_ | kde-3.3 mutes my sound on login... Or rather, when I login to KDE since the 3.3 upgrade, my sound has been muted. I use alsa. Is this already known? |
| 04:59.41 | micheal | also for some reason when I run k3b as a regular user it detects my writer as a CD-READER, it only comes up as a writer if I rn k3b as root |
| 04:59.44 | hooya | xam, is there any brick breakage in aikido? |
| 04:59.54 | xam | hooya: nope |
| 05:00.06 | hooya | xam, board breakage? |
| 05:00.10 | Phated | Nope. |
| 05:00.15 | xam | hooya: hope. |
| 05:00.20 | hooya | xam, any breakage? |
| 05:00.26 | Phated | Bones. |
| 05:00.26 | xam | hooya: nope |
| 05:00.30 | DB_ | Anyone? Anyone? KDE-3.3 sound muteage? |
| 05:00.34 | DB_ | Bueller? |
| 05:00.42 | hooya | xam, man. that shit is no good. ya gotta have a daily dose of breaking stuff.. |
| 05:00.43 | rares | try the mixer |
| 05:00.46 | initech | DB_: kde3.3 working ok here FWIW |
| 05:00.46 | xam | hooya: but you have to defend yourself from two attackers with knifes for the dan ;) |
| 05:00.55 | nailbiter | micheal: you might want to tackle your memory problem first; if you've got a tmpfs mounted at /tmp, check that k3b isn't create huge temporary files there. those files will end up residing in memory and pushing your apps out to swap .. |
| 05:01.00 | initech | xam: good luck |
| 05:01.08 | hooya | xam, but that ain't as cool as breaking shit up with your head .. |
| 05:01.14 | DB_ | rares: It's fixed by /etc/init.d/alsa start (restores the saved mixer settings), but I'm not sure what's muting it. |
| 05:01.15 | xam | initech: ;) |
| 05:01.30 | DB_ | It's only happened since the 3.3 upgrade |
| 05:01.33 | micheal | nailbiter, I have a tmpfs mounted at /dev/shm and it shows 189mb large |
| 05:01.35 | DB_ | Each time I login. |
| 05:01.48 | FsckIt | hooya |
| 05:01.58 | nailbiter | micheal: that's unusually big; what's in /dev/shm? what process is using the files in there? (use fuser(1) to check) |
| 05:02.07 | hooya | oh FsckIt ;) |
| 05:02.25 | xam | hooya: well, it is definitely not 'cool' in that sense, and aikido is not really usable for self-defence, until you have do it for a long time (compared to other martial arts) |
| 05:02.34 | MerlinCorey | night, all... |
| 05:02.39 | FsckIt | hooya: aikido was created when some master realised that he could win a fight by just avoiding being hit |
| 05:02.42 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Night to you too. :) |
| 05:02.46 | MerlinCorey | -a |
| 05:02.48 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 05:02.48 | MerlinCorey | :) |
| 05:02.50 | MerlinCorey | you too... |
| 05:02.53 | initech | xam: i think BJJ gives the best bang for the buck |
| 05:02.57 | xam | buy Phated |
| 05:03.00 | xam | bye |
| 05:03.05 | Phated | Freudian slip? |
| 05:03.24 | hooya | FsckIt, yeah, you would definetely win the fight if you could break shit up with your head tho.. |
| 05:03.26 | FsckIt | hooya: and therefore just avoid impacts until the other person tired enough to stop fighting |
| 05:03.39 | hooya | later |
| 05:03.42 | xam | initech: brazilian Jui-Jitsu? You don't mean capuera by any chance? |
| 05:03.44 | Phated | See ya. |
| 05:03.50 | micheal | nailbiter, the only thing showing in /dev/shm is a dir named network, no files |
| 05:03.53 | hooya | hoos |
| 05:03.54 | Phated | Ooo, capoeira! |
| 05:03.56 | initech | xam: brzilian ju jitsu, yeah |
| 05:03.59 | micheal | and it says that all 189mb are free |
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| 05:04.00 | xam | capoeira |
| 05:04.11 | FsckIt | see ya'll later |
| 05:04.12 | hooya | capoeira? |
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| 05:04.15 | hooya | later |
| 05:04.19 | initech | capueira is pretty, but it doesn't lok too useful |
| 05:04.20 | nailbiter | micheal: ok. run 'lsof' and see if you've any anonymous files (deleted, but still open) residing in /dev/shm. |
| 05:04.43 | Xenguy | xam: hrm, I see, instead of 'straight lines' |
| 05:04.53 | hooya | hey nailbiter |
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| 05:05.23 | nailbiter | hooya: hi. :) |
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| 05:05.51 | hooya | nailbiter, thanks for your help a few days ago with the installer. worked out pretty nice. |
| 05:05.56 | teddien | Hey im new to debian.. just got it today :) how do i get the nvidia drivers....apt-get install ? |
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| 05:06.11 | Xenguy | xam: I think if I were going to do any training at this stage of life, I'd go for whatever it is they teach the Israeli army people - apparently very brutal and, basically, a hack (but an effective hack) for self-defence. |
| 05:06.19 | nailbiter | hooya: glad to hear that. :) |
| 05:06.21 | xam | Xenguy: exactly. You never block directly anything like in Jiu-Jitsu, Karate etc., you just move/direct his knock/kick in a different direction ... |
| 05:06.25 | micheal | nailbiter, nope, just showing the cwd I did to it and nothing else |
| 05:06.41 | rich_ | I think most of that pretty stuff is for muscle conditioning and exhibition. |
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| 05:07.10 | nailbiter | micheal: is 'df' showing that /dev/shm is 180MB in size, or that it has 180MB used? |
| 05:07.29 | hooya | teddien, http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/debian.html |
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| 05:07.37 | Xenguy | xam: a lot of 'elbows' as one person described it |
| 05:08.05 | Xenguy | xam: of course, to a serious martial artist, it's probably a joke... |
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| 05:08.10 | s0cks | Hey |
| 05:08.14 | hooya | rich_, and break shit up with your head. |
| 05:08.15 | s0cks | I need someone to help me out. |
| 05:08.15 | micheal | nailbiter, it shows Size: 189mb, Used 0, Avil 189mb |
| 05:08.22 | hooya | s/break/breaking/ |
| 05:08.22 | Xenguy | xam: but then maybe it works well most of the time with most people ;-) |
| 05:08.24 | s0cks | I wanna install debian onto my server. |
| 05:08.25 | micheal | nailbiter, this is also just after a reboot |
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| 05:08.38 | xam | Xenguy: if you have block a kick, you know it hurts you every time you do it (albeit much less than if he would get you with his kick). With Aikido you use his energy the opponent used for his kick against him |
| 05:08.50 | nailbiter | micheal: that means /dev/shm is empty, and that there's nothing to worry about there. |
| 05:09.04 | trashmatic | aaargh |
| 05:09.16 | micheal | nailbiter, how can I change it's size? I'm not seeing anything in fstab |
| 05:09.18 | trashmatic | kde is completely broken in unstable, isnt it |
| 05:09.38 | hooya | anyone here interested in SAT solvers? |
| 05:09.55 | rares | what's a SAT solver? |
| 05:09.59 | nailbiter | micheal: it's mounted by the /etc/init.d/mountvirtfs script. there's no need to change its size -- a tmpfs doesn't use any memory when it's empty. |
| 05:10.03 | micheal | trashmatic, I just did a dist-upgrade on unstable yesterday and kde 3.3 works fine |
| 05:10.04 | lrdMyren | like the perfect score? |
| 05:10.11 | xam | Xenguy: yes, some martial artist don't take it serious for self-defence. In fact, Aikido does not teach attack techniques at all, and everything usually ends in a lock, so that the opponent can't do anything |
| 05:10.23 | micheal | nailbiter, but could it cause problems later when it starts to get full? |
| 05:10.25 | hooya | rares, exponential algorithm for satisfiability problems. |
| 05:10.27 | Xenguy | xam: yeah, I admire the Aikido philosphy greatly (what I know of it) -- the guy who created it was apparently a mystic of sorts actually, or had similar experiences -- but I expect it would take many years of training to make it *practical* for Joe Average (like me ;-) |
| 05:10.46 | xam | Xenguy: exactly |
| 05:11.08 | nailbiter | micheal: yes. whatever you store in a tmpfs will end up in memory. but i doubt k3b (or most other apps, for that matter) use /dev/shm for temporary files. |
| 05:11.11 | lrdMyren | i hear it makes a good third martial art. |
| 05:11.25 | hooya | Xenguy, yeah, but since it doesn't involve breaking shit with your head, it's even less *entertaingin* for joe below-average like me ;) |
| 05:11.31 | nailbiter | micheal: perhaps you could run top(1) during a k3b run and see if it's the k3b program itself that's bloating. |
| 05:11.48 | rich_ | Submission fighters use akido techniques a lot. Its just more like wrestleing |
| 05:11.52 | xam | IrdMyren: yes, it teaches a lot more about balance and timing than most other martial arts I've done |
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| 05:12.30 | initech | xam: greco roman wrestling teaches plenty about balance and timing |
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| 05:12.39 | micheal | nailbiter, I did that from a ssh login and it wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary, just X, Firefox, cdrecord, and k3b spiking every now and then CPU wise, with about 5mb free of main memory and 0 used in swp |
| 05:12.44 | hooya | xam, i've learned about balance from trying to balance a beer bottle on my belly while on the couch watching tv ;) |
| 05:12.53 | hooya | that was sad :( |
| 05:13.07 | xam | haha |
| 05:13.16 | micheal | nailbiter, right now after a reboot and running k3b I have about 173mb of free main memory with 0 swap used |
| 05:13.32 | nailbiter | micheal: the 'free' column in top(1) or free(1) doesn't really tell you how much free memory you have left. do a '/msg dpkg free ram' for an explanation. |
| 05:15.03 | nailbiter | micheal: that sounds good. so when does your system start thrashing swap? |
| 05:15.29 | micheal | nailbiter, about 30% into burning a .bin, it's done it twice now |
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| 05:16.13 | micheal | it'll work just fine (using atapi burning), and I can use the system normall, but then it'll start hitting swap and lock itself up, not entirely freeze as I can ping it still and login through ssh, but the CD is coastered and the local terminal is done |
| 05:16.20 | Xenguy | hooya: well, I read that Aikido's inventor would do demos like challenging two burly cops to wrestle him to the ground, and when they tried, they would find that they could grab him but they could not lift him (he was quite short actually) -- how *that* kind of thing sounds quite entertaining to me ;-) |
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| 05:16.23 | meow | what is the advantage of installing kernel-source package over getting the kernel tarball? |
| 05:16.36 | nailbiter | micheal: ok. run top(1), hit 'M' to sort by memory usage, and then try to reproduce the problem. you might get a better idea of which program is ballooning then. |
| 05:16.41 | meow | just the debian security patches? |
| 05:16.52 | xam | initech: however in wrestling you know that the other one will attack you with a wrestling technique, whereas in Aikido you trains every kind of attack, and in training the opponent indeed attacks you as he wishes, ie. it is not limited or planned. However you use one of the few techniques your practised earlier in the training |
| 05:17.15 | micheal | nailbiter, okay, I'll give it a shot, I still don't like how I have to burn as root though |
| 05:17.15 | nailbiter | meow: well, the debian patches are usually an assortment of backported fixes .. |
| 05:17.25 | micheal | although that's just annoying at the moment |
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| 05:17.35 | xam | s/you use/you use to defend yourself/ |
| 05:17.40 | nailbiter | micheal: your not being able to burn as non-root may be a permissions problem. |
| 05:17.48 | initech | xam: wrestling is one skill set, of course that skill can be extrapolated, not usually a problem ... wrestling has some wonderful techniques and throws |
| 05:17.58 | xam | initech: I agree |
| 05:18.08 | hooya | micheal, i can burn as root. if it's CD burning you're talking about. |
| 05:18.09 | micheal | nailbiter, I've checked those, and cdrecord and cdrdao are set correclty with suid permissions |
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| 05:18.29 | flint | micheal: some changes in 2.6.8 are causing issues with cdrecord |
| 05:18.42 | xam | initech: however you are usually not prepared for someone attaching you with a baseball-bat or a knife ... |
| 05:18.49 | micheal | hooya, it's not that I can't burn, it's that I can't burn as a normal user anymore |
| 05:18.57 | hooya | michalato, ah. |
| 05:19.01 | micheal | flint, that could be possible, I just went to 2.6.8 yesterday |
| 05:19.16 | meow | nailbiter: so tarball is fine? |
| 05:19.20 | hooya | xam, have you seen indiana jones? |
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| 05:19.28 | xam | hooya: yes |
| 05:19.30 | initech | xam: i have doubts about any bare hand techniques that are meant for defending against weapons, i think that stuff is useless mostly |
| 05:19.32 | nailbiter | micheal: most people prefer not to make cdrecord suid root, but it should work. :) have you tried running, say, 'cdrecord -atip' as that user (with a blank disc inserted)? |
| 05:19.35 | hooya | the gun scene? |
| 05:19.37 | xam | hooya: but not in real life ;) |
| 05:19.38 | flint | micheal: yeah, there seems to be a shouting match between kernel and cdrecord as to who should fix |
| 05:19.43 | xam | hooya: exactly |
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| 05:20.02 | micheal | flint, I don't care who does it, I just wanted it fixed, haha |
| 05:20.03 | xam | hooya: Aikidoka would dodge the bullet |
| 05:20.07 | micheal | flint, what exactly is the problem/ |
| 05:20.16 | xam | hooya: like in matrix ;-P |
| 05:20.18 | hooya | xam, cool.. like in the matrix? |
| 05:20.25 | xam | hooya: no, they would hide ;) |
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| 05:20.46 | nailbiter | meow: it should be fine. :) but i generally use the debianized kernel sources because the patches are convenient .. |
| 05:20.51 | flint | micheal: I'm still checking on the lists, but the consensus I've seen is that cdrecord uses a security weakness in the kernel for non-root burning |
| 05:21.01 | hooya | xam, but can you fly like superman tho? |
| 05:21.07 | xam | hooya: if someone has a gun, unless he is very near and makes a mistake, the best thing is run and hide |
| 05:21.10 | Xenguy | xam: actually I've always been kinda fascinated with the ninjas - they sound pretty cool |
| 05:21.13 | micheal | flint, ah that makes sense of what I'm experiencing |
| 05:21.43 | flint | micheal: i've had nothing but trouble trying 2.6.8 myself, went back to .7 |
| 05:21.44 | meow | nailbiter: the only reason i don't want to use the kernel-source package is because it only has 2.6.8 and i'm scared that applying the 2.6.8.1 kernel patch will break it |
| 05:21.45 | hooya | Xenguy, yeah. ninjas are cool. they got so many toys! |
| 05:22.01 | Xenguy | hooya: so that's their secret ;-) |
| 05:22.03 | hooya | Xenguy, being a turtle would kinda suck tho. |
| 05:22.15 | micheal | flint, I had trouble with .7 and was running .5 up till then, just had some spare time so figured I'd update the kernel and nvidia drivers |
| 05:22.19 | Xenguy | hooya: turtle? |
| 05:22.24 | nailbiter | meow: 2.6.8 -> 2.6.8.1 is a trivial patch fixing an nfs slip-up. :) |
| 05:22.29 | hateb0x_ | can someone give me their permissions on /var/log/exim |
| 05:22.31 | Xenguy | hooya: turtle! |
| 05:22.34 | hateb0x_ | and /var/log/exim/mainlog |
| 05:22.34 | meow | oh okay =) |
| 05:22.40 | hooya | Xenguy, turtle. |
| 05:22.41 | hateb0x_ | i'm getting this...Cannot open main log file "/var/log/exim/mainlog": Permission denied: euid=8 egid=8 |
| 05:22.43 | initech | Xenguy: yes turtle .. all nijas are turtles, didn't you know that? |
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| 05:22.51 | Xenguy | initech: silly me =) |
| 05:22.57 | xam | Xenguy: I did ninjitsu until the yellow belt (I started it, because it was in the same gym as my Aikido lessons, but just 2 hours earlier. and I got interested in it). I have to say they are mad motherf*ckers |
| 05:23.03 | hooya | Xenguy, having to live in sewers and shit. but the toys are definetely cool. |
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| 05:23.15 | micheal | nailbiter, from watching it the system has hit swap and was working, but all of a sudden it just froze up again |
| 05:23.22 | Xenguy | xam: mad/crazy, or ... ? |
| 05:23.26 | initech | hooya: you know, they don't get any babes either, that sucks |
| 05:23.40 | MFen | can anyone think of a server that will forward nmb requests? or is there a way to configure samba to do that? |
| 05:23.43 | hooya | xam, i would be too. if i had to live in sewers as turtles. and forever be teenagers. |
| 05:23.44 | rich_ | I once evaded a robber by useing a antena that I had in my pocket. I just started touching it to grounded metal things and poretended it was a radio that wasnt working and while the robber stared at me and made comments my friend grabbed his bike from the thief, and started getting away, so he started chaseing the bike, whilke I ran the other way and got help. |
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| 05:24.00 | hooya | initech, that i can sympathize with. |
| 05:24.01 | micheal | nailbiter, the largest memory users were xfree86 at 16%, k3b at 1.2%, and cdrecord at around 2% |
| 05:24.18 | micheal | nailbiter, now X just exited itself and I'm looking at a term login |
| 05:24.20 | initech | hooya: you know they weren't doing that reporter chick at all |
| 05:24.39 | nailbiter | micheal: froze up? did the system start thrashing swap? |
| 05:24.42 | hooya | initech, i didn't hear that. must you ruin every fantasy? |
| 05:24.45 | xam | Xenguy: you train the most effective stuff, like attack to the eyes/throat etc. Nothing uneffective. I would not consider it as 'sports', nor 'defense' ... |
| 05:24.46 | micheal | nailbiter, and now GDM realized X wasn't running and is restarting |
| 05:25.10 | initech | hooya: you fantasize about teenage ninja turtles banging a cartoon babe?!? |
| 05:25.14 | Xenguy | xam: brutal, gotcha |
| 05:25.22 | flint | micheal: there's a patch floating around that undoes the cdrecord 'fix' in 2.6.8 |
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| 05:25.39 | micheal | nailbiter, it didn't exactly freeze up, the windows all went blank and looked frozen and then killed my ssh connection |
| 05:25.43 | hooya | initech, hey, at least it's banging mmk? |
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| 05:25.45 | xam | Xenguy: I also got the feeling they think all other matrial arts are inferior (might be, but I found it quite arrogant) |
| 05:25.56 | micheal | nailbiter, it's comin up now but very very slowly |
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| 05:26.04 | micheal | flint, any idea what the patch is called? |
| 05:26.05 | Xenguy | xam: you mean like BSD? |
| 05:26.10 | hateb0x_ | hey can someone real quick just gimme their permissions on /var/log/exim and /var/log/exim/mainlog |
| 05:26.19 | hateb0x_ | im having problems sending mail its giving me errors |
| 05:26.22 | xam | Xenguy: brutal? well, effective definitely includes brutal, but not only |
| 05:26.28 | hateb0x_ | i probably screwed something up |
| 05:26.29 | nailbiter | micheal: how much swap do you have allocated? how much swap was the system using when it was thrashing? |
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| 05:26.35 | az[a]zel | damn im getting fat |
| 05:26.36 | xam | Xenguy: kind of ;) |
| 05:26.41 | Xenguy | heheh |
| 05:26.45 | flint | micheal: this thread seems to cover all your problems: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&forumid=18&threadid=218365 |
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| 05:27.27 | hooya | initech, i do hope you realize i was kidding. about fantasizing about the turtles doing the reporter. hell i was fantasizing about *me* doing the reporter. ;) |
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| 05:27.52 | xam | Xenguy: and hard training (physically). Most guys could to the splits |
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| 05:28.18 | Xenguy | xam: just be spiderman - no problem ;-) |
| 05:28.29 | hooya | xam, guy += splits : BustedNutException |
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| 05:28.40 | micheal | nailbiter, I have a 800mb swap partion and about 33mb of it is used |
| 05:28.54 | micheal | thanks flint |
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| 05:29.12 | flint | sure micheal |
| 05:29.32 | Fr0z3n | This a easy question, does anyone here know how to clean the history & cache from Mozilla and Konquer? |
| 05:29.47 | xam | Xenguy: honestly, it was a little too much for me ... and I didn't like the philosophy (compared to aikido) |
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| 05:30.11 | hooya | aight, that's enough goofin off. nice talking to ya xam, Xenguy. |
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| 05:30.14 | hooya | later nailbiter |
| 05:30.21 | nailbiter | hooya: see you. :) |
| 05:30.41 | nailbiter | Fr0z3n: for konqueror, right-click on the Location bar and select 'clear history'. |
| 05:30.41 | xam | bye hooya |
| 05:30.55 | zbowling | ohh crap.. .i messed my machine... |
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| 05:31.37 | meow | when i try to patch 2.6.8 kernel-source with 2.6.8.1 i get Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? |
| 05:31.46 | zbowling | i was trying to upgrade to the latest 2.6 kernel using apt-get and after I installed it and rebooted I'm getting an error |
| 05:31.47 | meow | should i just not bother? |
| 05:32.15 | nailbiter | meow: you're trying to patch a debianized 2.6.8 kernel? it's already applied, i believe. |
| 05:32.16 | Fr0z3n | nailbiter what about the cache and cookies? |
| 05:32.16 | flint | meow: unless you're running nfs, you don't really need to apply that patch |
| 05:32.18 | zbowling | how can roll back or switch my kernal out |
| 05:32.21 | zbowling | ? |
| 05:32.50 | meow | oh.. |
| 05:32.52 | nailbiter | Fr0z3n: settings -> configure konqueror -> cookies; settings -> configure konqueror -> cache |
| 05:33.01 | micheal | nailbiter, I'm going to try and revert back to 2.6.5 and see what happens |
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| 05:33.29 | zbowling | rescue floppy? |
| 05:33.34 | nailbiter | micheal: ok, good luck. |
| 05:34.25 | micheal | thanks, hopefully this shouldn't take to long.... |
| 05:34.37 | Fr0z3n | nailbiter now anything about sound cards ? |
| 05:34.51 | nailbiter | Fr0z3n: not very much. what's broke? :) |
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| 05:35.06 | Fr0z3n | nothing just installed knoppix and no sound. |
| 05:35.21 | Fr0z3n | I did that mode probe and nothing. |
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| 05:35.30 | pipeline | !tell Fr0z3n about knoppix |
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| 05:35.47 | nailbiter | Fr0z3n: i don't understand the autoconfiguration magic knoppix uses to detect hardware. :) you might have better luck asking in #knoppix .. |
| 05:36.11 | xam | Xenguy: actually you could say the original Jiu-Jitsu is a collective term of a lot of techniques. Most (modern) Jiu-Jitsu schools however just focus on a selected group of throws, kicks etc. But Ninjitsu is actually the essence of all lethal ancient Jiu-Jitsu techniques. So Ninjitsu shares alot with (modern) Jiu-Jitsu, but has stuff that is not tought in (modern) Jiu-Jitsu schools |
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| 05:36.41 | jello | Fr0z3n: why don't you boot into knoppix again and see what modules it loads/uses for sound |
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| 05:37.07 | rares | i can't believe ruby takes up like 80Mb |
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| 05:37.23 | flint | Fr0z3n: if alsaconf ships with knoppix, you can try running that to set up your sound card |
| 05:37.24 | initech | rares: it's like perl, no? |
| 05:37.34 | JDahl | !tell xam about martial arts |
| 05:37.38 | Fr0z3n | it loads a emu1ok driver thats what i see |
| 05:37.49 | rich_ | How many of those are in the olympics? |
| 05:38.02 | rares | yes |
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| 05:38.15 | jello | Fr0z3n: surely you mean emu10k :) |
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| 05:38.21 | Fr0z3n | yes |
| 05:38.28 | flint | initech: it's like Python for people who think Smalltalk isn't OO enough |
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| 05:38.41 | meow | what's the package that contains all the C libs, stdio.h etc.? |
| 05:38.50 | jello | meow: libc-dev |
| 05:38.50 | xam | JDahl: I know a little bit already, thank you. You obviously missed the very long matial art discussion we had for the last hour (or more) |
| 05:38.57 | meow | thanks |
| 05:38.59 | jello | meow: or libc6-dev |
| 05:39.06 | jello | meow: depends on your arch |
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| 05:39.31 | initech | oh christ, we're using dpkg to tell people about martial arts now?!? |
| 05:39.35 | manu | i get the following error when trying to compile a package 'configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (library qt-mt) not found' how do i fix it |
| 05:39.51 | nailbiter | manu: try installing 'libqt3-mt-dev'. |
| 05:40.00 | manu | i did it |
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| 05:40.09 | jello | manu: apt-get build-dep <pkg-you're-trying-to build> |
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| 05:40.59 | xam | initech: it all began with a fight whether VI or Emacs is the better editor. Emacs zealots began to develop the 5 finger attack: ^X^C^X ... |
| 05:41.16 | nailbiter | manu: if you already have 'libqt3-mt-dev' installed, try setting your QTINC environment variable to /usr/include/qt3. |
| 05:41.20 | jello | !start an editor war |
| 05:41.21 | dpkg | nvi is known to cause ulcers |
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| 05:42.03 | starshine | my hubby uses xemacs in viper mode |
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| 05:42.44 | nailbiter | starshine: that does seem a little pointless. :) |
| 05:43.23 | starshine | he says it all started with his favorite gnus-reader |
| 05:43.23 | initech | xam: well vi does now come with the paperclip assistant |
| 05:43.50 | xam | initech: vigor ... hehe ... developed after userfriendly |
| 05:44.10 | initech | xam: i am going to alias vi to that at work one day |
| 05:44.25 | initech | i swear |
| 05:44.45 | croepha|home | "I dont want to swim forever" --Moby |
| 05:45.18 | starshine | all word processors suck, it's the rules. |
| 05:45.18 | xam | initech: be prepared for the revenge |
| 05:45.41 | initech | xam: i use emacs :) what revenge could there be, you think? |
| 05:46.20 | xam | initech: well, they could remap ctrl |
| 05:46.44 | initech | xam: ahh, i'd find that pretty quick |
| 05:46.46 | xam | initech: and swap X and C |
| 05:46.54 | JDahl | probably the vi using devs intentionally broke xemacs in sarge out of pure fear of xemacs reaching the masses |
| 05:47.25 | initech | xam: they are so anti emacs at work |
| 05:47.37 | initech | also anti bash |
| 05:47.40 | xam | initech: personally I can understand that ;) |
| 05:47.47 | xam | initech: well, ksh rules |
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| 05:48.00 | initech | xam: hmph, they use csh |
| 05:48.01 | mrniss | anyone care to help me troubleshoot some cd burning issues? |
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| 05:48.22 | xam | initech: did you do this to them? |
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| 05:48.45 | flint | mrniss: just update to kernel 2.6.8? |
| 05:48.51 | xam | mrmiss: sorry, busy talking nonsense |
| 05:48.52 | initech | xam: no! i start bash when I login, and they freaked |
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| 05:49.24 | initech | i cannot waste my time with csh, it is ridiculous |
| 05:49.30 | mrniss | flint: just installed debian on recommendation of a friend, and it's the smoothest linux install i've done but, cd burning is making things go very wrong |
| 05:49.33 | xam | initech: well, make a perl or even tcp login, THEN they will freak |
| 05:49.40 | xam | s/tcp/tcl/ |
| 05:50.08 | xam | mrmiss: what kernel are you using? |
| 05:50.18 | mrniss | flint: i have no idea, how do i even check |
| 05:50.19 | initech | no, they don't like bash or emacs because it is linux-y and GNU-y and they are solaris nerds |
| 05:50.21 | mrniss | sorry i'm a fucking noob =( |
| 05:50.41 | xam | mrmiss: type 'uname -r' and tell us what you see |
| 05:50.52 | JDahl | mrniss: can you be more specific about your problem? |
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| 05:51.02 | mrniss | 2.4.26-1-386 |
| 05:51.02 | deadshell | hello all |
| 05:51.31 | starshine | mrniss: is that cd bay on primary of second IDE controller ? |
| 05:51.48 | xam | mrmiss: good ... now what does not work? tell us the problem in every detail possible, please. Eg. what programme you use, what CD burner you use ... |
| 05:52.05 | mrniss | jdahl: k3b gives me "input output error, not necessarily serious" when trying to burn a cd, the drive spins up and then the system just dies entirely for about 20 seconds at a time, (can't even move the mouse), does this for about 3 minutes, then claims it can't unlock the drive and fails |
| 05:52.53 | mrniss | i'm relatively sure nothing gets written to the disc either |
| 05:52.54 | xam | mrmiss: what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say? |
| 05:53.09 | mrniss | 3.1 |
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| 05:53.54 | xam | mrmiss: what kind of CD burner? IDE/SCSI, what manufacturer/brand |
| 05:54.05 | mrniss | cheap burner, optowrite something or other, ide |
| 05:54.12 | j1 | anyone know what happened to xmenuconfig for 2.6? |
| 05:54.12 | mrniss | secondary slave, only thing on the channel |
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| 05:54.18 | sussudio | xam: and ofcourse, african or european. |
| 05:54.23 | j1 | haven't compiled a kernel in a while |
| 05:54.33 | xam | sussudio: yes, that's the next question |
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| 05:54.45 | j1 | is there a channel for compiling the kernel? |
| 05:54.46 | xam | j1: it is xconfig |
| 05:54.50 | mrniss | i had win2k and nero on this before, all i was using the machine for was to burn mass amounts of cds, and it did so, so i know the burner works |
| 05:54.57 | xam | j1: or menuconfig, but not xmenuconfig |
| 05:55.03 | sussudio | mrniss: _worked_ |
| 05:55.21 | j1 | is it there? i grep /usr/src/linux-2.6.7/Makefile and couldn't find it |
| 05:55.32 | mrniss | sussudio: why would it suddenly not work just because of linux? it reads things just fine |
| 05:55.41 | xam | mrmiss: did you try another CD burn application, eg. 'xcdroast' ? |
| 05:55.50 | sussudio | mrniss: these things wear out. |
| 05:55.57 | mrniss | in less than 24 hours? i don't think so |
| 05:56.07 | sussudio | mrniss: no, you don't think. |
| 05:56.20 | mrniss | dude, if you don't want to help me then just don't say anything, don't just say my damn hardware is broken |
| 05:56.25 | mrniss | that's lame |
| 05:56.27 | xam | mrmiss: ignore sussudio, he's always like that ;) |
| 05:56.35 | j1 | xam: is it there? i grep /usr/src/linux-2.6.7/Makefile and couldn't find it |
| 05:56.37 | sussudio | mrniss: you're an idiot |
| 05:57.10 | xam | j1: do a 'make help' ... |
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| 05:57.33 | croepha|home | hey, in flux box, to use annother version, can i just restart the window manager? or do i have to stop X then restart it? |
| 05:57.35 | starshine | mrniss: add hdd=scsi to your kernel commandline in the bootloader, then add ide-scsi and sg to your /etc/modules |
| 05:57.35 | mrniss | is there any way to run a test with something like cdrdao to see if the burner works at all? |
| 05:57.50 | initech | mrniss: cdrecord -dummy? |
| 05:57.53 | xam | j1: /usr/src/linux-2.6.7/Makefile includes other files, so you don't neccessarily see 'xconfig' or 'menuconfig' in there |
| 05:57.58 | starshine | mrniss: then nearly any burning software should "just work" |
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| 05:58.51 | j1 | xam: much thanks |
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