| 00:00.35 | partenon | hi all... does somebody knows where can i find a apt repository w/ mysql4.1? i've googled and found instructions to make a deb package from rpm.src, but i think that its not the best way ;) |
| 00:01.35 | mwilson | partenon: Why is 4.1 necessary? |
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| 00:02.00 | partenon | mwilson, subqueries =( |
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| 00:02.05 | nailbiter | partenon: you might have better luck packaging MySQL 4.1 yourself. :) |
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| 00:02.35 | cwood | partenon: try www.apt-get.org, maybe there's something findable from there |
| 00:02.40 | edolnx | How do I set gcc-3.4 as the default compiler suite? |
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| 00:02.54 | cwood | edolnx: Look into update-alternatives |
| 00:03.05 | nailbiter | partenon: a good way to start might be to copy the debian/ directory from the mysql-server_4.0.20-11 source package .. |
| 00:03.07 | partenon | cwood, there is only "mysql" packages... no mention to 4.1 =/ |
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| 00:03.33 | edolnx | cwood: Thanks |
| 00:03.35 | partenon | nailbiter, humm |
| 00:03.54 | nailbiter | cwood: /usr/bin/gcc is a direct symlink to gcc-3.3 (or whatever the 'gcc' metapackage mandates). :) alternatives won't work there .. |
| 00:03.55 | partenon | nailbiter, i'll try it =) |
| 00:04.02 | nailbiter | partenon: best of luck. :) |
| 00:04.15 | cwood | yeah? oh, hm. edolnx: Take his better advice! |
| 00:04.32 | partenon | nailbiter, thanks =D |
| 00:04.34 | cwood | or you can always edit your CC variable in the Makefile to point to the right gcc |
| 00:04.36 | mwilson | cwood: When did gcc begin being controlled by alternatives? |
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| 00:05.01 | cwood | mwilson: it didn't, my bad. |
| 00:05.08 | ludi | Hi, do I need to download all 13 of the sarge ISO images? |
| 00:05.14 | hooya | hi nailbiter |
| 00:05.21 | nailbiter | hooya: hey. :) |
| 00:05.24 | mwilson | ludi: No, you need to read the installation guide. |
| 00:05.36 | edolnx | Well, it's a backport from ustable to woody and I've built my own APT repository for installation on other boxes. Is there a way to tell apt/dpkg to do it? |
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| 00:05.46 | nailbiter | ludi: just the first one will do. :) you can have apt-get pull the rest of your system off the network on demand later .. |
| 00:06.25 | Nurbs | I dpkg-divert my gcc and use a script which choses the one that I want, hmm |
| 00:06.30 | nailbiter | edolnx: before you start using gcc-3.4, please keep in mind that the C++ ABI has changed between 3.3 and 3.4; you can't mix libraries and executables built with either .. |
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| 00:06.59 | edolnx | nailbiter: No problem, only using gcc-3.4 in our system |
| 00:07.17 | nailbiter | edolnx: ok. 'CC=gcc-3.4 CXX=g++-3.4 fakeroot debian/rules binary' _might_ do it. :) |
| 00:07.17 | hooya | nailbiter, quick question for ya, i'm trying to setup multiple web servers with php on it and i need to share sessions. it's not possible to share the session files over nfs is it? i'm currently halfway thru writing a mysql session handler. but it sucks having to hit the db for sessions. ideas? |
| 00:07.19 | Nurbs | edolnx: debian libraries will be older, though |
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| 00:07.49 | edolnx | nailbiter: OKay, where do I put that? |
| 00:07.51 | Ricardo | oi |
| 00:08.09 | Nurbs | edolnx: that's a build line |
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| 00:08.44 | lok3 | is it possible to have one wired NIC and one wireless NIC on one box, and ssh to the box through the wired NIC and run kismet on the the other? |
| 00:08.52 | ludi | nailbiter: What if I don't have an internet connection at the moment? How many of the ISO images do I need to download in that case? |
| 00:08.56 | Nurbs | edolnx: you might try "CC=gcc-3.4 CXX=g++-3.4 make", too, for example, or "make CC=gcc-3.4 CXX=g++-3.4" (which is different) |
| 00:09.01 | nailbiter | hooya: it would work if you're not using shared memory as a session backend. :) |
| 00:09.29 | nailbiter | ludi: just the first one. :) you can then boot from it and start a network installation .. |
| 00:09.29 | edolnx | nailbiter/Nurbs: Ah, OKay, I thought you were saying add them to the dpkg build line |
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| 00:09.48 | tetsou | hi all |
| 00:09.52 | hooya | nailbiter, what other choices do i have? |
| 00:10.04 | tetsou | i just installed knoppix and i got some errors when i try to use sshd |
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| 00:10.23 | lok3 | you installed knoppix? |
| 00:10.28 | tetsou | Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key |
| 00:10.36 | lok3 | generate one |
| 00:10.37 | ludi | nailbiter: How do I setup dial-up networking on debian "sarge" ? |
| 00:10.39 | hooya | nailbiter, your nick got me back to biting my nails. damn you, i say. ;) |
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| 00:10.40 | tetsou | hmm? i have never seen that error before |
| 00:10.51 | tetsou | how do i generate one |
| 00:11.04 | lok3 | pirving, you root bra |
| 00:11.22 | lok3 | lol |
| 00:11.31 | mwilson | my gods, he DID switch clients. |
| 00:11.33 | tetsou | lok3 ill send u the errors in pm we can talk here but i dont wanna spam the main chat :p |
| 00:11.38 | nailbiter | hooya: the debian php binaries are linked against libmm and use a shared memory segment in /tmp to hold session information. it probably won't work to share this file over nfs. |
| 00:11.41 | thomas_adam | mwilson: To what? |
| 00:12.02 | tetsou | lok3 check that out :) |
| 00:12.27 | nailbiter | ludi: i'm not sure if the sarge installer itself will set up dial-up networking for you, but you can always run 'pppconfig' after the installer's dropped you into your new base system. :) |
| 00:12.48 | hooya | nailbiter, are there configuration time options (php.ini) that i can use to specify a different method to store 'em? |
| 00:12.53 | ludi | nailbiter: I don't think my modem is detected by debian, how do I tell if it's detected? |
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| 00:13.34 | robertj | What's the big skinny of Canonical? I've been following as much as there was to follow but can't feel but that I am missing something |
| 00:14.01 | steve__ | hey- how do i install cups |
| 00:14.05 | steve__ | or a printer |
| 00:14.07 | fishexe | hmmm...I was running xmms, and watching an mpeg and xmms died |
| 00:14.16 | fishexe | so when I tried to restart it, it wouldn't come up |
| 00:14.20 | mwilson | thomas_adam: nail |
| 00:14.28 | fishexe | so I removed it and reinstalled, still wouldn't come up |
| 00:14.36 | thomas_adam | Yuck. |
| 00:14.44 | fishexe | so I purged it and reinstalled and it still won't come up...any ideas? |
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| 00:14.56 | nailbiter | hooya: you change the path they're stored in (with session.save_path); but i don't think you can turn the shared memory thing off. hm. could you check anyway that your apache php4 module does have shared memory turned on? |
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| 00:15.37 | nailbiter | ludi: well, it's not 'detected'. :) you simply tell pppconfig the serial device it's attached to, and you can do a test dial to see if it works. |
| 00:15.37 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I dunno, I've never used it. He *was* using mailx. |
| 00:15.53 | ludi | nailbiter: It's an internal PCI modem |
| 00:16.12 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I've not used mailx in a LONG time, as it corrupts mbox-es when it re-writes them. |
| 00:16.13 | thomas_adam | mwilson: nail is meant to be BSD's "improved" version of mailx. Having used both, I fail to see this. |
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| 00:16.21 | nailbiter | ludi: a winmodem? what brand? lucent? agere? |
| 00:16.33 | thomas_adam | mwilson: Indeed. The same reason that made me stop using it. |
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| 00:17.03 | hooya | nailbiter, yes it's on. and i need to share them across machines since my loadbalancer doesn't do level 5 or 7 (whatever the level is that's required to look at the header) and actually if i could get this shared session thing to work over nfs it would be preferable over a level 5/7 loadbalancer anyhow since i can better spread the load without |
| 00:17.05 | ludi | Intel chipset 536EP |
| 00:17.13 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Yah, it trashes From lines and anything that reads it subsequently can't deal with it. |
| 00:17.28 | hooya | nailbiter, it looks like i gotta use mysql store for sessions. sucks. |
| 00:17.39 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I would point out that what mailx does is *technically* correct, I *think*, but I've never seen a client that can deal with the result. |
| 00:17.39 | ludi | nailbiter: It's an internal PCI modem with Intel chipset 536EP |
| 00:18.08 | thomas_adam | mwilson: Either way, you'd think he would use something just a little more robust... |
| 00:18.27 | nailbiter | ludi: i don't know anything about those, i'm afraid. perhaps the linmodems.org site might be able to .. |
| 00:18.49 | nailbiter | hooya: yeah. :-/ writing a session backend seems like a pain. |
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| 00:18.58 | hooya | aight. gonna call it a day. later nailbiter. and don't sit there biting nails. |
| 00:19.08 | nailbiter | hooya: i wish i could recommend something simpler. :) |
| 00:19.13 | nailbiter | hooya: good luck. |
| 00:19.22 | sciboy | Ok, i need some help figuring out how to get 3 absolutely ancient computers running X etc. smoothly =/ |
| 00:19.35 | hooya | nailbiter, it's not really. but it does suck because you don't know when it might break (did i forget this? did i forget that? like quoting etc..) |
| 00:19.44 | Freeshadow | sciboy, autsch how ancient |
| 00:19.47 | nailbiter | sciboy: how ancient is 'ancient'? :) |
| 00:19.49 | sciboy | The thing is we actually have a spare fast computer, and way i could utilise that... |
| 00:19.59 | sciboy | 233mhz/32mb |
| 00:20.03 | hooya | nailbiter, thanks. later. |
| 00:20.22 | nailbiter | sciboy: eek. well, they'll still make reasonably good X terminals. :) |
| 00:20.22 | sciboy | But the other spare comp is 800mhz/512mb |
| 00:20.29 | mwilson | thomas_adam: If he likes the mailx interface, he should by all means use it. I would think, though, that Joerg would get FAR too much mail for it to actually be workable for him. |
| 00:20.37 | Freeshadow | sciboy, hmm let the fast one run x and the 3 other connect 2 it |
| 00:20.44 | hooya | sciboy, pour some lubricant (bar-a-bing) ;) |
| 00:20.56 | hooya | sorry, had to do that. |
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| 00:21.01 | sciboy | Ok, now i am a newb, so some info would be aprpeciated on how to do that. |
| 00:21.12 | Nurbs | sciboy: what kind of apps are the users supposed to use? |
| 00:21.38 | Freeshadow | sciboy, there are howtos 4 making ancients run linux |
| 00:21.45 | sciboy | Nurbs: Well, the most heavy app would be Abiword. |
| 00:21.52 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I find mail/nail unworkable not so much for the interface but for the fact that they don't thread. |
| 00:21.55 | nailbiter | sciboy: install a display manager on the fast system, turn on XDMCP on the display manager, then run "X -broadcast" on the ancient systems. |
| 00:21.59 | Freeshadow | if i had the other box runnin i'd check it |
| 00:22.04 | thomas_adam | mwilson: Yup. |
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| 00:22.18 | sciboy | Freeshadow: Where would i find them? |
| 00:22.28 | thomas_adam | mwilson: If anything, I'm a sucker for the thread tree that Mutt draws... |
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| 00:22.33 | sciboy | nailbiter: XDMCP? |
| 00:22.48 | Freeshadow | sciboy, something like lowram howto |
| 00:23.14 | Nurbs | sciboy: you'll certainly want to try to avoid running a de like kde or gnome. also, large browsers, which most are nowadays. dillo maybe, if your users can live with it. most other apps are less problematic |
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| 00:23.26 | nailbiter | sciboy: yes. it's how display managers manage remote X servers. |
| 00:23.28 | sciboy | Nurbs: I am looking @ XFCE4 |
| 00:23.53 | mwilson | afcpack: Thank you for your comment. |
| 00:23.53 | Freeshadow | sciboy, i remember to have read that xfce has very small mem usage |
| 00:24.03 | Freeshadow | xfce3 was also recommended |
| 00:24.04 | sciboy | Nurbs: And browsers are not nessacary. |
| 00:24.14 | Nurbs | sciboy: good! browsers are real memory hogs :) |
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| 00:24.17 | Xenguy | sciboy: yes, xfce is quite light-weight |
| 00:24.19 | stew | sciboy: you might wanna look at ltsp.org |
| 00:24.43 | sciboy | I got the software already covered, i am worried about the x server stuff since i haven't messed with stuff like that before... |
| 00:24.51 | Freeshadow | ah also this ice thingy which name i forgot :) |
| 00:25.08 | sciboy | IceWM. |
| 00:25.16 | Freeshadow | yes exactly |
| 00:25.17 | nailbiter | sciboy: remote X is not really that difficult. |
| 00:25.25 | lees | is there anybody who as a fast 800 sagem ? |
| 00:25.33 | Xenguy | sciboy: yes, icewm, wmaker, xfce -- all nice and lightweight window managers |
| 00:25.35 | Freeshadow | and if they are ancient boxes stay with xfree 3.xx |
| 00:25.40 | sciboy | nailbiter: Yeh, but this is the first time i have ever looked at it. |
| 00:25.55 | Xenguy | sciboy: I think you will need more RAM than 32Mb tho - at least ideally |
| 00:26.16 | Nurbs | 32 MB should be fine for a well-configured X terminal |
| 00:26.41 | Nurbs | way harder to get decent performance if it's supposed to run the apps, too |
| 00:26.44 | Xenguy | Nurbs: for a desktop system it is pushing it |
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| 00:26.54 | nailbiter | sciboy: oh well, there's always a first to everything. :) |
| 00:26.59 | Nurbs | Xenguy: of course |
| 00:27.08 | Nurbs | Xenguy: it wouldn't even start emacs X) |
| 00:27.09 | thomas_adam | Xenguy: So use 'twm' |
| 00:27.13 | Freeshadow | Xenguy, i read something by a guy who tested them 4 old boxes he said icewm had the smallest mem footprint |
| 00:27.34 | Xenguy | sciboy: I have close to 100Mb RAM in a 233MHz Pentium right now, and if I'm careful with the apps I choose, it is do-able |
| 00:27.39 | Xenguy | Freeshadow: could well be |
| 00:27.42 | sciboy | Freeshadow: That was the 32mb guide. |
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| 00:28.00 | mwilson | <sigh> |
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| 00:28.11 | Xenguy | sciboy: a really excellent email client BTW - sylpheed - loads in 4 seconds on the 233 ;-) |
| 00:28.17 | sciboy | I had a full desktop system running Xserver/Xfree86 with all the suitable apps before under the same specs. |
| 00:28.32 | thomas_adam | Xenguy: Actually, it'll be fine: www.rule-project.org |
| 00:28.33 | Xenguy | sciboy: whereas thunderbird is foreevvvvveeeerr |
| 00:28.35 | Freeshadow | ah sciboy maybe they'll kick my ass 4 it here but does it have 2 be debian for the oldies? |
| 00:28.36 | sciboy | No seperate server to take the load off it. And it was running considerably well. |
| 00:28.54 | Freeshadow | there are spesial distros 4 old boxes |
| 00:29.02 | Freeshadow | special even |
| 00:29.07 | Nurbs | no need to start apps that often, they just get swapped out after a few days/weeks 8) |
| 00:29.08 | Error_X | Is there any good multimedia program to listen to streams? |
| 00:29.12 | sciboy | I looked @ small linux etc. |
| 00:29.26 | Xenguy | thomas_adam: neat page |
| 00:29.26 | sciboy | But debian is the best full featured distro i could find ;) |
| 00:29.41 | mwilson | thomas_adam: I do wish mutt cached headers on mbox, but I'm not at all sure how you're supposed to be handling things like that when procmail is also delivering into the same mbox. |
| 00:29.59 | Freeshadow | sciboy, there is an oldbox thingy called delilinux |
| 00:30.01 | sciboy | The ancient kernel etc. that it was using was not being friendly with the software. |
| 00:30.23 | Xenguy | Freeshadow: debian should run as well as anything else on old hardware, no? |
| 00:30.41 | thomas_adam | mwilson: I vaguely recall this was an initial consideration by the mutt developers to speed things up. I have no idea whether they got around to implementing it or not. I doubt it. |
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| 00:31.03 | sciboy | Xenguy: Not really. |
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| 00:31.10 | Freeshadow | Xenguy, ive been told that apt stuff needs decades on oold boxes |
| 00:31.17 | sciboy | Xenguy: There are better options. |
| 00:31.19 | Cyis | anyone using SBC/Yahoo DSL with their new "sticky IP" ? |
| 00:31.26 | Xenguy | sciboy: define better ;-) |
| 00:31.27 | Nurbs | Freeshadow: who needs it every day? :) |
| 00:31.27 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Oh, no, it's not... there's a flamefest about it regularly on mutt-users. |
| 00:31.28 | sciboy | Freeshadow: It does. |
| 00:31.28 | stephan_ | Freeshadow: it does |
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| 00:31.47 | Xenguy | Freeshadow: not from what I see on the 233 - that's as old as I'd want to run a desktop on anyway |
| 00:31.51 | sciboy | Xenguy: In general faster and more frinedly with lower resources... |
| 00:31.53 | stuartyeates | is there an easy-to-use symbolic math package for debian? |
| 00:32.05 | mwilson | thomas_adam: Someone's done a maildir caching patch for it, but I'd think the same problem would apply, if you had procmail and friends back there also writing to things. |
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| 00:32.13 | Freeshadow | well i define a 8mb ram 486 as ancient box |
| 00:32.25 | fishexe | how about 16 mb ram? |
| 00:32.29 | Xenguy | sciboy: go for it - I'll stick with debian and the many 'intangible benefits' :-) |
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| 00:33.05 | Xenguy | Freeshadow: I would never try to run X on something like that (which isn't to say it couldn't be done of course) |
| 00:33.05 | c4r10x | which is the oficial debian irc channel for people that speak spanish ? |
| 00:33.11 | Nurbs | stuartyeates: (x)maxima? |
| 00:33.16 | stew | !spanish |
| 00:33.16 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 00:33.24 | Nurbs | stuartyeates: axiom |
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| 00:33.59 | c4r10x | is this the official debian channel to ask questions ? |
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| 00:34.04 | Xenguy | c4r10x: yes |
| 00:34.12 | Freeshadow | well Xenguy therefor i said stick with xfree3 for old boxes |
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| 00:35.06 | debian | official..... |
| 00:35.13 | Xenguy | Freeshadow: funny you should say that - I wanted to run X4 but the s3-trio (?) video card I could only get running on X3 -- it works great so far, I'm really impressed |
| 00:35.38 | Freeshadow | Xenguy, this is 1 of the reasons |
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| 00:35.41 | c4r10x | i just wanna say that debian is cool , i love it , why debian != knoppix ? |
| 00:35.42 | tetsou | i get an error when i try to start ssh, anyone know what could be wrong? Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdDisabling protocol version 1. Could not load host key |
| 00:35.53 | Freeshadow | i read a lil bit bout using old boxes |
| 00:36.30 | debian | c4r10x: our question would be: why debian = knoppix? |
| 00:36.43 | Xenguy | tetsou: hrm, maybe your key is an SSH1 key, instead of SSH2 ? |
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| 00:36.53 | pipeline | c4r10x: Well, it's not debian's fault they made it incompatible. |
| 00:36.55 | tetsou | hmm |
| 00:37.02 | c4r10x | hmmm |
| 00:37.03 | Xenguy | tetsou: I'm guessing ;-) |
| 00:37.20 | tempo | hi, i have two cisco pix configured the same (access list) but with different pools of public ip's. I am trying to create a redundant connection. i bought this xincom box with two wan port and 4 lan ports. i have two routers from different isp's. the xincom box is supposed to act as the gateway but it really sucks and their technical support is even sucky-er. any ideas what is the most simple way to have a redundant connection with two differen |
| 00:37.20 | tempo | t connections from seperate ISP's (different pools of ip's) |
| 00:37.26 | c4r10x | why is it incompatible ? |
| 00:37.28 | debian | pipeline: if it's my fault I apology.... |
| 00:37.37 | Freeshadow | pipeline, if there wernt knop i d be stuck w/o net acces now |
| 00:37.37 | nailbiter | c4r10x: it's a debian derivative with its own autoconfiguration magic, livecd-specific filesystem layout and a mix of third-party, unstable and testing packages. it can make troubleshooting confusing and difficult .. |
| 00:38.00 | stew | c4r10x: also it installs software which is not dfsg compliant |
| 00:38.13 | tetsou | look i pmed u what i wrote in :) |
| 00:38.17 | c4r10x | what is dfsg ? |
| 00:38.23 | stew | !dfsg |
| 00:38.23 | dpkg | [dfsg] the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 00:38.34 | Amadablam | c4r10x: debian has something like 10,000+ packages, many of which exist in different versions in stable, testing, and unstable...that's an awful lot to try to help with in an IRC support channel, and it makes everybody's lives here easier if we don't have to answer Knoppix questions as well |
| 00:38.59 | Freeshadow | is this bot a kind of debian thesaurus? |
| 00:39.05 | pipeline | dpkg? yes. |
| 00:39.15 | pipeline | encyclopedia, rather. |
| 00:39.32 | toubsu | how can i disable cron logging? |
| 00:40.14 | m4dh4x0r | has anybody installed ircu to debian before? |
| 00:40.20 | c4r10x | ok just wanna have clear thoughts about distros , thx |
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| 00:40.38 | Freeshadow | is there a way to re-invoke the network-setting dialog as seen during install on an installed sys? |
| 00:40.55 | debian | c4r10x: np, just want you to know that there're lots of debian derivatives out there. |
| 00:40.57 | nailbiter | Freeshadow: as seen on the woody installer? try installling 'etherconf'. |
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| 00:41.43 | Freeshadow | since the installer doesn't have the firmware i have to copy it in after install and make network running as last config step |
| 00:41.51 | Amadablam | toubsu: after your command in the crontab, add " > /dev/null 2>&1" (without the quotes) to make all the output from the command disappear |
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| 00:42.19 | nutshell42 | how does apt-get -t work? apt-cache offers me two versions of libfaad2 and I want 2.0 but apt-get -t "*2.0*" (with the *, without the *, with the exact version # etc) is completely ignored, I had to find the server d/l the package by hand and install it with dpkg and that's too much work for something the man-page tells me I can do with apt directly, thx |
| 00:42.20 | Freeshadow | nailbiter, rather as on the d-i since it is a wlan card |
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| 00:42.29 | c4r10x | how can I help debian developers ? , I have some programming skills :-) |
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| 00:42.54 | nailbiter | Freeshadow: in that case, i wouldn't know. sorry. :) |
| 00:43.01 | ledet | c4r10x: rub their feet and serve them snacks |
| 00:43.01 | idnar | nutshell42: I don't know about -t, but what about apt-get install libfaad2=2.0 ? |
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| 00:43.29 | Freeshadow | c4r10x, u could help me and make a linux app 4 the cpen :D |
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| 00:43.47 | nutshell42 | idnar: sec, I'll go and check =) |
| 00:44.02 | Freeshadow | nailbiter, i'll try it maybe they kept the names |
| 00:44.27 | debian | c4r10x: ask in the corresponding mailing list |
| 00:44.36 | nailbiter | Freeshadow: ok, good luck. :) |
| 00:44.38 | debian | ledet: hehe, that'd do. :) |
| 00:45.02 | ledet | debian: yes, its not a bad idea actually :) |
| 00:45.19 | c4r10x | where are the lists ? |
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| 00:45.45 | Xenguy | c4r10x: peruse www.debian.org |
| 00:45.51 | ledet | c4r10x: it seems that you should probably start out by browsing www.debian.org |
| 00:46.33 | c4r10x | ok , what are the most common problems in debian ? |
| 00:46.58 | debian | c4r10x: money! you could start by donating money!! |
| 00:47.27 | ledet | c4r10x: stupid mistakes in packages... |
| 00:47.27 | rares | gah I hate web resume submission forms they never get the formatting right |
| 00:47.35 | nutshell42 | idnar: thx a lot, that works - I had found the other "option" (not really an option because it doesn't work) earlier. Someone could look into making the manpage more helpful =) |
| 00:47.36 | Xenguy | c4r10x: it requires an enquiring mind? ;-) |
| 00:47.51 | nutshell42 | but now that I know how to do it I'm happy, yay =P |
| 00:48.03 | ledet | Xenguy: well... thats not necessarily a problem now, is it :) |
| 00:48.17 | Xenguy | ledet: depends on who yer dealing with ;-) |
| 00:48.24 | ledet | Xenguy: sure |
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| 00:50.03 | mwilson | <sigh> I *really* need to finish getting dovecot set up. |
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| 00:50.50 | caspercba | hi to all |
| 00:50.57 | rich_ | Hello everyone |
| 00:51.12 | c4r10x | is debian secure ? |
| 00:51.18 | rich_ | c4r10x yes. |
| 00:51.35 | Nurbs | as much as windows is |
| 00:51.45 | Nurbs | very much depends on the user/admin |
| 00:51.49 | rich_ | Much more secure than windows. |
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| 00:51.53 | fishexe | c4r10x: only as secure as you make it |
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| 00:52.11 | m4dh4x0r | hmm small question.. does debian come with a ftp server in the installation packages? |
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| 00:52.40 | directhex | it's fairly secure from the outset, as it has very little remotely exploitable installed as standard. there are the security lists etc after that, but you start relying on admin skill once you leave debian_base |
| 00:52.42 | The_Vulture | m4dh4x0r: if by "installation packages" you mean the base system, no.. |
| 00:52.43 | rich_ | m4dh4x0r Its optional. |
| 00:52.47 | ledet | m4dh4x0r: what do you mean by "the installation packages" |
| 00:53.45 | m4dh4x0r | well. i just wondered if it did when u did the system and stuff.. |
| 00:53.45 | ledet | m4dh4x0r: do you mean "i want to be able to just type apt-get install myfavoriteftpd"? the answer to that is: maybe... depends on which ftpd you want |
| 00:53.47 | Fluten | can scsi emulation be used with network booting? |
| 00:54.12 | m4dh4x0r | im new to debian no idea about it and stuff.. if it did install it when i set up debian were can i find it? |
| 00:54.26 | g4lt | Fluten why couldn't it? |
| 00:54.27 | The_Vulture | m4dh4x0r: apt-cache search ftp server |
| 00:54.39 | ledet | m4dh4x0r: its not installed "by default"... not a whole lot is |
| 00:54.40 | rich_ | Its as secure as it gets. If your not computer literate than of course nothing is secure, but its got windows beat by a mile which is why every week when the new windows virus goes around, the it only knocks windows users off irc. You can see them drop like flies. |
| 00:54.45 | m4dh4x0r | apt-cache? |
| 00:54.56 | m4dh4x0r | hmm nvm |
| 00:54.57 | ledet | m4dh4x0r: type! |
| 00:55.07 | Fluten | since network booting doesnt use lilo, i cant find where to put "append="hdc=ide-scsi" |
| 00:55.09 | m4dh4x0r | what ftp server would u guys recomend? |
| 00:55.09 | c4r10x | :) |
| 00:55.20 | Fluten | m4dh4x0r, ive had good luck with proftpd |
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| 00:55.30 | fishexe | m4dh4x0r: ftpd? |
| 00:55.45 | ledet | m4dh4x0r: try out a few and decide on which you like best... examples: proftpd, pureftpd |
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| 00:56.42 | Obsolete__ | hello ppl |
| 00:56.52 | deadcat | is there a way to reset my keyboard mapping in X? i used xmodmap to do some task and would liek to reset the keyboard back to orig settting.s |
| 00:57.18 | Obsolete__ | im trying to install debian 3.0 r2 and the install halts after "ide1 at 0x170-0x177, 0x3f6 on irq 15" |
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| 00:58.22 | Obsolete__ | can anyone help me? |
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| 00:59.08 | t-jack | g4lt, yum cheddar. thanks better than halibut |
| 00:59.49 | bitsko | does unstable install with firewalling on by default? I'm just getting exim running and it's running fine with localhost. it's listening on 0.0.0.0:22, but I'm getting connection refused. |
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| 01:00.03 | Tavy | Question: I have installed GNOME-CORE, now what? |
| 01:00.08 | ledet | bitsko: no |
| 01:00.15 | g4lt | bitsko port 22 is SSH, port 25 is SMTP... |
| 01:00.47 | ledet | Obsolete__: well... it's pretty hard to say what goes wrong |
| 01:00.48 | bitsko | d'oh! /me slaps head. |
| 01:01.22 | Tavy | I have installed GNOME, now how do I boot to the GUI? |
| 01:01.36 | Obsolete__ | ledet, is there an acpi porblem or something? |
| 01:01.40 | caspercba | Tavy, do startx |
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| 01:01.52 | ledet | deadcat: you should be able to just reload the original X mapfile |
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| 01:01.56 | Tavy | What next? |
| 01:02.08 | deadcat | ledet: ok. let me try out. |
| 01:02.11 | Freeshadow | then gdm comes up |
| 01:02.21 | Tavy | Anything else? |
| 01:02.22 | Freeshadow | then gdm comes up Tavy |
| 01:02.24 | deadcat | anyone know the script that converts firefox bookmark to dillo format? |
| 01:02.30 | ledet | Obsolete__: there might be... i dont really have any way of knowing |
| 01:02.31 | Freeshadow | i think no |
| 01:02.41 | Tavy | Okay |
| 01:02.42 | g4lt | Freeshadow uhm, gdm doesn't come up from startx.... |
| 01:02.57 | Freeshadow | ah yeah u re right |
| 01:02.57 | Tavy | Then how? |
| 01:03.00 | caspercba | Tavy, if you want to boot from GUI every startup, modify the inittab file |
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| 01:03.02 | Freeshadow | me dumb 1 |
| 01:03.19 | g4lt | Tavy do you want X to come up EVERY time you boot? |
| 01:03.20 | Obsolete__ | ledet, where could i find debian troubleshooting? |
| 01:03.24 | deadcat | ledet: how do i know which files is the default? |
| 01:03.28 | Tavy | g4lt - Yes |
| 01:03.29 | FsckIt | thomas_adam: Piggy likes donuts |
| 01:03.39 | g4lt | Tavy apt-get install gdm then |
| 01:03.45 | thomas_adam | FsckIt: I'm fattening him up. |
| 01:03.47 | Tavy | Then? |
| 01:03.53 | thomas_adam | FsckIt: Virtual bacon. |
| 01:03.57 | FsckIt | heh |
| 01:04.05 | g4lt | Tavy then, /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 01:04.13 | Tavy | g4lt - roger |
| 01:04.16 | Tavy | That it? |
| 01:04.20 | g4lt | ayup |
| 01:04.24 | thomas_adam | Tavy: Or even better -- don't use such a braindead DM as gdm. |
| 01:04.39 | Tavy | thomas_adam - use what, then? |
| 01:04.45 | thomas_adam | Tavy: startx |
| 01:05.01 | thomas_adam | Tavy: Or if you _must_ use a DM, 'xdm'. |
| 01:05.02 | Tavy | DM? |
| 01:05.07 | Freeshadow | i use wdm |
| 01:05.08 | thomas_adam | Tavy: At least it honours ~/.xsession |
| 01:05.12 | MerlinCorey | display manager... |
| 01:05.14 | Tavy | k |
| 01:05.18 | Tavy | thanks for the help |
| 01:05.35 | Tavy | Bye (hopefully, I shall return) |
| 01:05.49 | Fluten | can i share a linux source tree safely, having different .config files? |
| 01:06.04 | Fluten | and just loading a .config file into the source tree for whatever box i need to compile a kernel for |
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| 01:07.09 | baloo | http://ursine.ca/article.pl?sid=04/08/24/014205 |
| 01:07.09 | baloo | Google's coming out with a Jabber client. |
| 01:07.39 | foolhardy | hello ppl, uhm, what group do i need to add users to to allow then to controll pppd vi PON/POFF ? |
| 01:07.39 | Obsolete__ | has anyone experienced an error while installing debian? |
| 01:07.43 | bitsko | I discovered my problem: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config didn't bounce exim (enough?) for it to rebind to the non local port. |
| 01:08.04 | baloo | Obsolete__: Does 70% of the world run Windows? |
| 01:08.14 | Obsolete__ | yea |
| 01:08.17 | caspercba | hehe |
| 01:08.25 | Obsolete__ | lol |
| 01:08.27 | baloo | Obsolete__: Ask a vague question, get a vague answer. 8:o) |
| 01:08.32 | Obsolete__ | sorry |
| 01:08.36 | Obsolete__ | i was typing my next part |
| 01:08.39 | mwilson | gods, someday I will understand imap |
| 01:08.46 | Obsolete__ | my Debian 3.0r2 halts at "ide1 at 0x170-0x177, 0x3f6 on irq 15", does anyone get it? |
| 01:08.49 | rich_ | Fluten Thats a good question and I think the answer depends on you. I think the answer is yes. As long as you have the libs neccessary. In fact you should be able to compile the kernel on one computer and just copy it to all the ones that yiou want to have the same config. As a matter of fact you can make a debian package and just copy the package, but I dont know the details of how to do that |
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| 01:08.57 | bitsko | ah, wunnerful! spam is now flowing smoothly into my inbox! :/ |
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| 01:09.56 | Fluten | bitsko, donate it to a food bank, and deduct it for taxes ;) |
| 01:09.59 | caspercba | Obsolete__, have you tried not to use that IDE channel? |
| 01:10.21 | Obsolete__ | what do u mean use that ide channel? |
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| 01:10.56 | caspercba | Obsolete__, do not use it, put your hd on the other ide channel |
| 01:11.23 | foolhardy | do i just need to 'adduser somebody dialout' to allow them access to put up or down the pppd connection |
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| 01:11.34 | Obsolete__ | how? |
| 01:11.39 | LordKahless | how can i enable dma on my harddrive? |
| 01:12.09 | Obsolete__ | only one of my drives is ide |
| 01:12.15 | Obsolete__ | the other is sata |
| 01:12.23 | baloo | Obsolete__: Use the SATA |
| 01:12.26 | Obsolete__ | i am |
| 01:12.39 | Obsolete__ | u want me to disable the other? |
| 01:12.43 | Obsolete__ | from BIOS? |
| 01:12.45 | baloo | Obsolete__: That is, try using either the IDE or the SATA and see if that solves it. |
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| 01:13.13 | baloo | Obsolete__: Make sure the BIOS is how Linux expects it. See the installation manual for your installer for details. |
| 01:13.31 | c4r10x | is it possible to install n 1 box and then reuse the downloaded debs 4 another box ? |
| 01:13.40 | caspercba | Obsolete__, i suppose you have 2 ide channels. You can let the ide1 channel free, and use the ide0 channel to plug your ideHD |
| 01:13.41 | baloo | c4r10x: Yes. |
| 01:13.56 | rich_ | c4r10x check out apt-move |
| 01:13.57 | baloo | c4r10x: You might look into the apt-proxy package |
| 01:14.07 | baloo | c4r10x: Or apt-move |
| 01:14.09 | Obsolete__ | im gonna disable the other HD from bios so that the pc doesnt read it |
| 01:14.19 | Obsolete__ | u think that might solve? |
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| 01:14.34 | Obsolete__ | im gonna play around |
| 01:14.35 | Obsolete__ | brb |
| 01:14.38 | baloo | Obsolete__: Be warned that Linux tries to ignore the bios if it can |
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| 01:14.41 | mwilson | ahhh... that's what I was doing wrong. |
| 01:14.47 | caspercba | Obsolete__try that, and play with the bios. You can chage the HD from master to slave, try that too |
| 01:15.18 | caspercba | Obsolete__ master>>slave (from jumpers) |
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| 01:15.42 | baloo | caspercba: Amazing how people forgot how to set jumpers in the last five years. |
| 01:15.50 | debian | caspercba: note that Obsolete__ quit... |
| 01:15.55 | t-jack | obsolete obselesced |
| 01:16.16 | caspercba | baloo, hehe, they don't open the box, even if it's smoking |
| 01:16.33 | mwilson | Ok, now why can't Mutt figure out whether there's new mail in any of these...? |
| 01:16.39 | Freeshadow | baloo, this comes b cause they have no need to set their cards by jumper anymore |
| 01:16.49 | baloo | caspercba: I don't have a complaint about that, since I used to make good money as a security guard weilding a fire extinguisher, and I make the big bucks now building them new systems... |
| 01:17.16 | baloo | Freeshadow: That's something I complain about. Sometimes, PnP doesn't know what the hell it's talking about. |
| 01:17.19 | caspercba | baloo, lol :) |
| 01:17.27 | Freeshadow | caspercba, u re joking or is it true? |
| 01:17.37 | baloo | caspercba: You think I'm joking? I hold the record for most number of fire calls. |
| 01:17.45 | Freeshadow | baloo, i know i really know |
| 01:17.46 | guestish | 54 |
| 01:17.47 | t-jack | baloo, Only the landfill managers complain. |
| 01:17.48 | baloo | caspercba: And I only had a two year career before I moved on. 8:o) |
| 01:18.02 | baloo | t-jack: Yeah, no kidding. |
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| 01:18.39 | caspercba | baloo, i believe on you |
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| 01:19.58 | caspercba | baloo, i make money with RPC, patches, and all the windows stuff. |
| 01:20.02 | Freeshadow | when dos was dead all kind off idiots started using pcs since they got a gui and lost their fear and respect |
| 01:20.33 | baloo | caspercba: I consider work my hobby that which pays me for dinking with Windows. After work when I get home is when I get the real work done on my Linux box. |
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| 01:20.40 | mwilson | Ah, that's why. |
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| 01:20.52 | baloo | caspercba: Hell, half the time, i'm logged into my Linux box from work... |
| 01:21.03 | baloo | caspercba: Now if there was KDE for Windows, I'd be set at work.. |
| 01:21.16 | guestish | baloo: there is, its just slow |
| 01:21.18 | rich_ | Freeshadow yea but it sure made the price of hardware drop. The clerks and civil servents call it a bubble, I call it a technological revolution. |
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| 01:21.30 | baloo | guestish: Where can I find KDE for Windows? |
| 01:21.38 | guestish | baloo: runs on cygwin |
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| 01:21.42 | Freeshadow | baloo, there is at least a blackbox for win |
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| 01:21.52 | guestish | baloo: ill get you a howto |
| 01:21.55 | baloo | guestish: Blargh. Cygwin is like WinAmp: It really sucks the llama's ass. |
| 01:22.10 | Freeshadow | i also belive that there is e for ein |
| 01:22.13 | Freeshadow | i also belive that there is e for win |
| 01:22.18 | guestish | baloo: http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 01:22.25 | caspercba | baloo, i understand you, when i have to reboot and got to windows cos my brother wanna use MSoffice. |
| 01:22.29 | t-jack | baloo, That includes WinAmp wannabes like xmms? |
| 01:22.34 | guestish | baloo: take a look |
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| 01:22.43 | Jamie_Z | i cant seem to find a howto telnet over a serial line, could i get some assistance? :) |
| 01:22.45 | Tavy | I can't get X Server interface to run, what do I do? |
| 01:22.45 | baloo | Freeshadow: Heh, and the Jeopardy question for anything involving e is, "How can I make any system run like a 386 running Windows 95?" |
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| 01:24.12 | caspercba | Tavy, have you configured xfree86? |
| 01:24.13 | g4lt | Jamie_Z for a serial line, why not just run minicom? |
| 01:24.17 | Jamie_Z | im trying to telnet to my network switch avia serial console |
| 01:24.17 | Tavy | I can't get X Server interface to run, what do I do? ("I failed to load X Server interface, do you wish to view the diagnostics report?") |
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| 01:24.21 | baloo | t-jack: No, excludes WinAmp analogues like XMMS and Zinf. XMMS is the high bar that which Zinf and WinAmp try to jump over and fail miserably. XMMS will keep playing in the most heroic of circumstances. WinAmp will skip like a portable CD player while offroading and Zinf will just crash. |
| 01:24.22 | Tavy | No, not yet. |
| 01:24.23 | Freeshadow | Jamie_Z, search for "terminal" or "laplink" 4 serial cons |
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| 01:24.26 | Jamie_Z | g4lt: im not familiar with minicom |
| 01:24.34 | mircolei_ | caspercba: why don't you install dirty Office using wine, mine is running since 8 month. |
| 01:24.36 | g4lt | Jamie_Z then become so |
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| 01:24.44 | Jamie_Z | g4lt: thanks, it is done :) |
| 01:24.50 | guestish | baloo: read i say! =P |
| 01:25.05 | baloo | guestish: I see |
| 01:25.06 | Jamie_Z | Freeshadow: ill take a shot at that if minicom fails :) |
| 01:25.10 | LMaus | Hey, anyone have a second to help me with wifi setup? Msg me if you're willing to help! :D I wrote up my problem here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=221483&highlight=enterasys |
| 01:25.12 | guestish | baloo: ;) |
| 01:25.13 | baloo | guestish: I amped it off in my head |
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| 01:25.19 | guestish | baloo: eh? |
| 01:25.23 | g4lt | !tell LMaus about msg |
| 01:25.36 | Freeshadow | Jamie_Z, forget it i tought u want serial between 2 boxes |
| 01:25.46 | caspercba | mircolei_: i've heard about wine, but i'm trying to learn other stuff first. |
| 01:25.48 | baloo | guestish: http://ursine.ca/jargon/html/A/amp-off.html |
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| 01:26.02 | guestish | To run in background. From the Unix shell ‘&’ operator. |
| 01:26.02 | mwilson | hrm |
| 01:26.02 | Jamie_Z | Freeshadow: oh, i kinda figured that on the 'laptop' find, but ill keep it in mind if i need to serial between two boxes :) |
| 01:26.02 | LMaus | Monosodium Glutamate? |
| 01:26.10 | caspercba | Tavy: try XF86Config |
| 01:26.11 | guestish | baloo: in this context, that makes no sense, heh |
| 01:26.17 | m4dh4x0r | hmm were is the config located in the proftpd directory? |
| 01:26.20 | Tavy | What is the syntax? |
| 01:26.31 | baloo | guestish: Eh. Everybody knew what I meant in high school. |
| 01:26.34 | caspercba | Tavy, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 01:26.54 | Freeshadow | Tavy, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:26.57 | guestish | baloo: "back in my day" eh? |
| 01:27.10 | guestish | baloo: :) |
| 01:27.12 | LMaus | As for what that bot told me, I did post my question in the channel! Tho, I only want the msg to me cause I can't see someone talk to me with the speed at which this room moves. :D |
| 01:27.14 | guestish | baloo: welcome to the 20th century |
| 01:27.17 | g4lt | Tavy dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 01:27.24 | Tavy | !dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:27.27 | baloo | guestish: Not so much that as this is the last place that "amped off" would need to be explained, given that I graduated in 2000... |
| 01:27.29 | lucas | !sing bob2 |
| 01:27.29 | dpkg | dpkg dpkg dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, sing it again! |
| 01:27.32 | Tavy | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:27.33 | LMaus | Slap me with a trout to let me know then, don't msg me! :D |
| 01:27.34 | m4dh4x0r | anybody knowanything about proftpd? |
| 01:27.37 | caspercba | g4lt, you're right, sorry i forgot |
| 01:27.46 | g4lt | Tavy try it on your console, not to the bot ;P |
| 01:27.48 | baloo | Tavy: -plow. dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:27.51 | mircolei_ | caspercba: there's nothing to learn just apt-get install it configure with a specia lgui and use it. |
| 01:27.52 | guestish | baloo: must be from a diff country than i live in |
| 01:28.00 | guestish | baloo: never ever heard of amped off |
| 01:28.09 | guestish | baloo: now go read =D |
| 01:28.20 | g4lt | baloo dpkg-reconfigure assumes -plow when run from the commandline |
| 01:28.30 | Freeshadow | LMaus, it differs from server to server some dont like msgs |
| 01:28.33 | caspercba | mircolei_: yes, but i'm a newbie, i installed linux 2 weeks ago |
| 01:28.34 | baloo | g4lt: When did that change? |
| 01:28.51 | baloo | guestish: Heheh, I've been reading it. I can see Konq and Kopete at the same time. |
| 01:28.54 | g4lt | baloo it's in the manpage now... |
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| 01:29.17 | LMaus | Okie. Just trout me then. :D |
| 01:29.21 | baloo | g4lt: Heh, i don't often look at the manpages for commands I know how to use. 8:o) |
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| 01:29.22 | guestish | baloo: ;) |
| 01:29.39 | g4lt | baloo I guess you'll do that more often now... ;P |
| 01:30.02 | guestish | baloo: why you would want kde on windows is beyond me, but hey, to each their own :) |
| 01:30.04 | baloo | g4lt: Eh, maybe... |
| 01:30.05 | Tavy | When I configure the XFREE86, what do I need to know? |
| 01:30.07 | guestish | baloo: i dont mind the windows interface all that much |
| 01:30.19 | g4lt | Tavy enough to answer the questions |
| 01:30.28 | Freeshadow | g4lt, one has enough work with reading about command one does not know :) |
| 01:30.31 | Tavy | g4lt - rg |
| 01:30.32 | baloo | guestish: Because I use KDE at home, Explorer blows, Firefox blows, and I'll be damned if there isn't an IM client for Windows that completely redifines that which blows. |
| 01:30.38 | rich_ | Tavy the limits of your moniotor |
| 01:30.39 | mircolei_ | caspercba: Don't worry it's not that hard to configure, and the rest is like in redmond |
| 01:30.41 | Tavy | I shall return(most likely) |
| 01:30.44 | guestish | baloo: gaim works great |
| 01:30.45 | g4lt | Tavy I've got a killer idea: do it, then worry about what you don't know |
| 01:30.50 | Jamie_Z | g4lt: minicom is for serial modems, there is nothing useful for simple telnet over ttyS0 :( |
| 01:30.57 | guestish | baloo: and the mozilla suite is nice :) |
| 01:31.04 | Freeshadow | Tavy, the frequencies of your screen as printed in its manual |
| 01:31.06 | g4lt | Jamie_Z it's also for serial TERMINALS |
| 01:31.10 | baloo | guestish: We'll have to agree to disagree on that. |
| 01:31.22 | g4lt | Jamie_Z in fact, it's a terminal emulator |
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| 01:31.30 | Jamie_Z | g4lt: im trying to configure for it, but its just not cooperating for items as such |
| 01:31.35 | caspercba | Tavy, the video card. If it's not listed try vesa. The monitor frequencies too |
| 01:31.47 | guestish | baloo: alrighty |
| 01:31.49 | baloo | guestish: I've tried GAIM on three platforms now and it felt kludgey and slow every time. And Mozilla's been sorta a dog ever since Milestone 12. |
| 01:32.03 | guestish | baloo: you sound like a grumpy guru in training =P |
| 01:32.19 | Freeshadow | Jamie_Z, u tried to connect to your router right? |
| 01:32.35 | Jamie_Z | g4lt: unless im doing something wrong, it keeps trying to initialize my "modem" and it just doesnt work properly.. |
| 01:32.45 | Jamie_Z | Freeshadow: im trying to connect to my switch yes |
| 01:32.55 | Freeshadow | Jamie_Z, why dont u try "telnet routerip:port" at your box? it works 4 me |
| 01:33.00 | jetscreamer | !info sysvinit |
| 01:33.01 | Ox_King | i seemed to have lost the module for my nic, is there anyway to recover it? |
| 01:33.01 | baloo | guestish: When you're 22 and your resume includes zookeeping, computer repair and public safety, you're already a grumpy something... |
| 01:33.05 | dpkg | sysvinit: (System-V like init), section base, is required. Version: 2.86-1 (sid), Packaged size: 94 kB, Installed size: 320 kB |
| 01:33.10 | guestish | ba;pp;p; |
| 01:33.13 | guestish | baloo: lol |
| 01:33.19 | Jamie_Z | Freeshadow: because i need to set an ip and enable remote telnet |
| 01:33.21 | guestish | baloo: yeah, zookeeping will do that ;) |
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| 01:33.48 | baloo | guestish: Heh, well, yeah, the regional government sold my division to private industry so I bailed on them. |
| 01:34.13 | Freeshadow | 22 hell are u young :D |
| 01:34.18 | baloo | guestish: I figure if the computer repair thang doesn't pan out, I'll go get a job with Union Pacific. |
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| 01:34.37 | baloo | guestish: "Oh, yeah, you wanna cut me off? Let's see if this can stop in under three miles..." |
| 01:34.48 | guestish | baloo: uh...heh...that sounds evil |
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| 01:35.02 | guestish | baloo: computer repair is fun :) |
| 01:35.21 | Freeshadow | guestish, yeah is the users are not too dumb |
| 01:35.29 | guestish | baloo: only thing that sucks is when someone tries to do something stupid like save a file to a CD-RW |
| 01:35.38 | Jamie_Z | guestish: yes, especially when you have to do it for many years then deal with the stupid owners :P |
| 01:35.40 | Ox_King | haha |
| 01:35.45 | guestish | heh |
| 01:35.58 | guestish | Jamie_Z: well thats why you amuse yourself with linux on the side :) |
| 01:36.00 | g4lt | baloo since they've been laying off like nobody's business the last couple of years, I doubt you'll have much success... |
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| 01:36.06 | Ox_King | i gotta stupid question.... if yall dun mind? |
| 01:36.17 | guestish | !+stupid questions |
| 01:36.17 | dpkg | there are no stupid questions, only stupid people |
| 01:36.18 | Jamie_Z | guestish: is that supposed to relieve stress or create more? :) |
| 01:36.24 | Ox_King | haha |
| 01:36.25 | Freeshadow | dont ask if u may ask |
| 01:36.27 | rares | well can we have a vote on that |
| 01:36.28 | baloo | guestish: About the train bit, yeah, it's a little evil, but on the other hand, I drove trains at the Zoo. They have a shortline railroad that runs almost to downtown Portland. |
| 01:36.33 | g4lt | !ask about ask |
| 01:36.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ask about ask is you're only allowed one question per visit, and you just wasted it asking if you could ask a question. Sorry, better luck next time. |
| 01:36.35 | guestish | Jamie_Z: well i suppose that depends on the person ;) |
| 01:36.48 | Ox_King | hahahahah |
| 01:36.54 | baloo | g4lt: The railroads have been laying off? Yeah right...they can't get enough people to man the trains they run now |
| 01:36.57 | Jamie_Z | guestish: thats what i love about linux, always something new to learn and do on it, its like geek porn in real life :P |
| 01:37.12 | guestish | Jamie_Z: whatever floats your boat |
| 01:37.19 | baloo | g4lt: Truckers and railroad line crews are in big, big demand (at least in the Pacific Northwest and western Canada) |
| 01:37.26 | g4lt | baloo they closed the wheel shop in Idaho, dumped most of the jobs |
| 01:37.31 | Jamie_Z | guestish: mine sank like the titanic |
| 01:37.31 | Nosf3ratu | which package is less contained in again? |
| 01:37.35 | baloo | g4lt: Which railroad? |
| 01:37.37 | guestish | Jamie_Z: lol |
| 01:37.39 | Nosf3ratu | bash-utils or something? |
| 01:37.43 | g4lt | baloo UPRR |
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| 01:37.53 | johnnyw | anyone know how to force a install apt-get install perl-DBD-MySQL . how come it say some file need to be upgrade. i don't want that i just want to install that. how do i force it to be install?? |
| 01:37.57 | baloo | g4lt: That's what I thought. They moved it to Portland, not closed it... |
| 01:37.58 | Freeshadow | Jamie_Z, i like that i dont have to reinst it all 10 months like win |
| 01:38.08 | g4lt | baloo fuck you then ;P |
| 01:38.14 | Freeshadow | Nosf3ratu, apt-file search less |
| 01:38.17 | Ox_King | ok, well ehre it goes, i rebooted my debian machine and when i came back, i seemed to have lost my nic module, is there a way to get it back? |
| 01:38.18 | baloo | g4lt: Heheh, more jobs for me. 8:o) |
| 01:38.32 | Nosf3ratu | Freeshadow, yeah, I already did that. |
| 01:38.33 | Starfury^ | lo |
| 01:38.33 | g4lt | Ox_King modconf |
| 01:38.40 | Jamie_Z | Freeshadow: i like that even when i was running windows, i never had to reformat unless i changed mobos... if i change mobos, i dont have to reformat linux :) (my friend had to reformat his windows box like every few days :P) |
| 01:38.43 | Starfury^ | apt has 107 packages its keeping abck |
| 01:38.44 | apt | Starfury^: no idea |
| 01:38.46 | Freeshadow | Ox_King, define lost |
| 01:38.50 | Starfury^ | lol |
| 01:38.52 | Starfury^ | hang on |
| 01:38.53 | Ox_King | g4lt: thank-you |
| 01:39.00 | g4lt | Starfury^ apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:39.11 | g4lt | Ox_King NP |
| 01:39.13 | Nosf3ratu | Nevermind. |
| 01:39.25 | Freeshadow | Ox_King, if not loaded modconf if not present no idea |
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| 01:39.36 | guestish | johnnyw: the larger the hammer the better |
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| 01:40.08 | Freeshadow | how sweeeeet |
| 01:40.13 | Starfury^ | running debian unstable, apt is keeping abck 107 packages from upgrade and dist-upgrade, i tried to install on some of them but hit a brick wall with kdelibs4 which requires libopenexr0 but it is not installable.... |
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| 01:40.36 | g4lt | !depends kdelibs4 sid |
| 01:40.36 | Jamie_Z | Starfury^: so install libopenxr0? |
| 01:40.39 | dpkg | kdelibs4: depends on libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libarts1 (>= 1.3.0), libasound2 (>> 1.0.5), libaspell15 (>= 0.50.5), libaudio2, libaudiofile0 (>= 0.2.3-4), libbz2-1.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libcupsys2-gnutls10 (>= 1.1.20final-1), libesd0 (>= 0.2.29-1) | libesd-alsa0 (>= 0.2.29-1), libfam0c102, libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.1-3), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.4.1), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libidn11, libjack0.80.0-0 (>= 0.98.1), libjasper-1.701-1 (>= 1.701.0), libjpeg62, libmad0 (> |
| 01:40.39 | dpkg | .0), libopenexr0 (>= 1.1.1), libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.5.0-4), libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.2), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1), libtiff4, libvorbis0a (>= 1.0.1), libvorbisenc2 (>= 1.0.1), libvorbisfile3 (>= 1.0.1), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxml2 (>= 2.6.11), libxrender1, libxslt1.1 (>= 1.1.8), libxt6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), kdelibs-bin (= 4:3.3.0-1), kdelibs-data (>= 4:3.3.0), xbas |
| 01:40.42 | Jamie_Z | whoa |
| 01:41.00 | Freeshadow | autsh |
| 01:41.07 | baloo | dpkg needs to learn how to take it to #flood |
| 01:41.08 | dpkg | baloo: are you smoking crack? |
| 01:41.18 | guestish | baloo: lol |
| 01:41.24 | Freeshadow | hehe |
| 01:41.25 | g4lt | Starfury^ why can't you install libopenexr0 then? |
| 01:41.29 | Jamie_Z | baloo needs to learn that dpkg is the channel bot ;) |
| 01:41.31 | baloo | dpkg: No, marijuana. Just a little pick-me-up after work. |
| 01:41.31 | dpkg | baloo: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:41.33 | Freeshadow | this thing is like eliza |
| 01:41.38 | baloo | Jamie_Z: I know that. |
| 01:41.39 | Starfury^ | it wont let me install it... |
| 01:41.47 | g4lt | Starfury^ WHY |
| 01:41.54 | baloo | Jamie_Z: Are you jwz? |
| 01:41.55 | Ox_King | g4lt: it doesn't seem to be in the modconf |
| 01:42.05 | Jamie_Z | baloo: jwz? |
| 01:42.09 | g4lt | jeesus christ, do I have to fucking repeat things? |
| 01:42.19 | baloo | Jamie_Z: Apparently not. 8:o) http://www.jwz.org/ |
| 01:42.22 | g4lt | Ox_King hmmm, what NIC? |
| 01:42.28 | Starfury^ | because libopenexr2 replaces it as r0 is obsolete |
| 01:42.34 | caspercba | baloo, sorry, but this morning i didn't realize that dpkg was a bot, how do you recognize them? |
| 01:42.40 | Starfury^ | yet the kdelibs is still referencing the old package |
| 01:42.48 | nailbiter | !libopenexr0 |
| 01:42.48 | dpkg | can be found at http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2004/08/18/debian/pool/main/o/openexr/libopenexr0_1.1.1-1_i386.deb |
| 01:42.58 | Jamie_Z | baloo: whats all that? :) |
| 01:43.12 | rich_ | dpkg: are you a bot? |
| 01:43.15 | Starfury^ | libopenexr2 is already installed |
| 01:43.16 | dpkg | rich_: no idea |
| 01:43.18 | nailbiter | Starfury^: you can resolve your deadlock by grabbing it from snapshot.debian.net, as the bot suggested above. :) |
| 01:43.25 | Jamie_Z | oh |
| 01:43.27 | Jamie_Z | nice |
| 01:43.27 | Jamie_Z | :P |
| 01:43.28 | Ox_King | well i do a modprob813c and this is what it says: bash: modprobe8139c: command not found |
| 01:43.30 | rich_ | Most people- know. |
| 01:43.52 | Starfury^ | will the package dependencies be updated to point to the new one? |
| 01:43.56 | guestish | Rich_, are you a bot? |
| 01:43.57 | g4lt | Starfury^ Ox_King try adding a space.... modprobe 8139too |
| 01:43.58 | Ox_King | lol sorry about the typos in that one |
| 01:44.02 | caspercba | rich_: i'm a bot |
| 01:44.03 | Freeshadow | ox try a space |
| 01:44.05 | Ox_King | k |
| 01:44.10 | Freeshadow | yeah |
| 01:44.10 | guestish | =D |
| 01:44.12 | nailbiter | Starfury^: what do you mean by "new one"? |
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| 01:44.27 | Starfury^ | well the r2 replacement for the r0 obselete |
| 01:44.40 | Ox_King | Freeshadow: it now says: FATAL: Module 8139c not found. |
| 01:44.42 | g4lt | Starfury^ eventually, KDE has some issues to resolve first |
| 01:44.46 | Starfury^ | ok |
| 01:44.49 | sussudio | !fruitsmite Starfury^ |
| 01:44.49 | Starfury^ | i will wait then |
| 01:44.50 | Starfury^ | :) |
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| 01:45.05 | Starfury^ | !fruitsmite sussudio |
| 01:45.09 | Starfury^ | hah |
| 01:45.19 | guestish | !g4ltsmite Starfury^ |
| 01:45.20 | rich_ | Well you never know for sure, they might even lie but isnt more important what they think they are? |
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| 01:45.28 | guestish | always a good one... |
| 01:45.29 | ninjaturtle | guys, i have in my /etc/fstab "/dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat user 0 0" and i chmod 777 /mnt/windows, but i can't access that partition :\, i have 2.6.8 kernel |
| 01:45.34 | g4lt | Ox_King did I say 8139c? I think you'll find 8139too works... |
| 01:45.41 | m4dh4x0r | anybody know any ftp servers for debian? |
| 01:45.47 | caspercba | rich_:no, sure, but it bothers sometimes. |
| 01:46.05 | Ox_King | g4lt: actually with this nic the too doesn't for some odd reason |
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| 01:46.07 | jayme | m4dh4x0r: www.debian.org |
| 01:46.10 | Starfury^ | hmmmmm# |
| 01:46.27 | Starfury^ | m4dh4x0r, which country |
| 01:46.31 | Freeshadow | m4dh4x0r, apt-setup |
| 01:46.32 | stephan_ | ninjaturtle: erm, i guess this is debians IRC channel.. not the kernel-support channel |
| 01:46.37 | m4dh4x0r | ty |
| 01:46.44 | Starfury^ | ftp://ftp.country.debian.org/debian/ |
| 01:46.47 | g4lt | Ox_King at any rate the module is either 8139 or 8139too, not 8139c |
| 01:46.59 | ninjaturtle | stephan_, it has nothing to do with the kernel |
| 01:47.15 | Ox_King | g4lt: ok, so how do i put it back on the machine? lol |
| 01:47.21 | Jamie_Z | g4lt: my apologies, for the problem of course was me... i didnt have the correct serial speed selected so of course it didnt work. |
| 01:47.38 | g4lt | ninjaturtle you might want to man fstab. |
| 01:48.04 | stephan_ | ninjaturtle: not? i think, mouting a partition has to do something with the kernel. |
| 01:48.40 | ninjaturtle | but the problem isn't in kernel |
| 01:49.02 | caspercba | ninjaturtle: does it works doing mount -t vfat /dev/xxx /win ? |
| 01:49.03 | g4lt | stephan_ just fucking leave it alone. you're istracting him from the help offered |
| 01:49.07 | mentor | stephan_: It's a perfectly valid question to ask in here. |
| 01:49.28 | Freeshadow | yeah |
| 01:49.28 | ninjaturtle | caspercba, i'll try |
| 01:49.33 | ninjaturtle | wait a second |
| 01:49.38 | mentor | ninjaturtle: Define 'cannot access'...which user? what error? |
| 01:49.59 | ninjaturtle | root can |
| 01:50.02 | ninjaturtle | but with my user |
| 01:50.04 | ninjaturtle | i can't |
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| 01:50.28 | mentor | ninjaturtle: man mount; look for the section on vfat and read the mask options. |
| 01:50.53 | Freeshadow | how fast do u all type? |
| 01:50.58 | ubb | 50 |
| 01:51.03 | ubb | without numbers |
| 01:51.06 | g4lt | Freeshadow 35 WPM |
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| 01:51.25 | Freeshadow | g4lt, i m near to believr |
| 01:51.25 | Ox_King | Freeshadow: 65 without numbers |
| 01:51.31 | mentor | Freeshadow: To fast for a speeding typematic rate repeat. |
| 01:51.46 | jms | what do i need to do to setup the sound that is built-in to my motherboard? Does the digital (s/pdif) need anything different setup in the kernel than the 'standard' sound? |
| 01:52.10 | Ox_King | g4lt: ok, so how do i put the module back onto the machine? |
| 01:52.18 | ninjaturtle | the error is "bash: cd: /mnt/windows/: Permission denied" |
| 01:52.25 | ubb | which site should I go if I wanted to add a shortcut launcher to enlightenment? |
| 01:52.36 | mentor | ninjaturtle: Yeah, my answer applies. |
| 01:52.40 | ubb | all I got from google is adding shortcuts for gnome and kde |
| 01:52.42 | ninjaturtle | doing "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows" |
| 01:52.48 | ninjaturtle | it shoes same error |
| 01:52.49 | ninjaturtle | ok |
| 01:52.51 | ninjaturtle | mentor |
| 01:53.03 | caspercba | ninjaturtle: read man mount |
| 01:53.06 | mentor | ~tell ninjaturtle about repeat |
| 01:53.13 | g4lt | Ox_King did one of the modprobes work? |
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| 01:53.26 | ninjaturtle | ok |
| 01:53.45 | caspercba | jms:look for alsa in goolge |
| 01:54.00 | Ox_King | g4lt: all modprobes ended with the same result: FATAL: Module not found |
| 01:54.08 | Freeshadow | ninjaturtle, [X] you have the strong wish to "man mount" "man fstab" |
| 01:54.22 | g4lt | Ox_King did you roll your own kernel? |
| 01:54.27 | Freeshadow | Ox_King, is it a custom kernel? |
| 01:54.37 | Freeshadow | :) |
| 01:54.49 | Ox_King | i'm not sure lol, MasterRa, did something lol |
| 01:54.57 | Ox_King | and now he's afk |
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| 01:55.13 | Ox_King | i'm just trying to get back on the net |
| 01:55.15 | jms | caspercba: Thanks. I compiled alsa into the kernel, but I haven't been able to produce sound yet |
| 01:55.22 | Freeshadow | if it s a homebrew then the module was simply forgotten |
| 01:55.45 | bz | anyone here having php4 problems with apache 1.3 in unstable (I am).. |
| 01:56.03 | Ox_King | Freeshadow: how would i go about fixing it? or is there a way? |
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| 01:56.17 | caspercba | jms: what's your sound chip? via82xxx |
| 01:56.22 | Freeshadow | Ox_King, build it |
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| 01:57.03 | jms | caspercba: where do I find that? The motherboard manual says Realtek ALC650 |
| 01:57.03 | Ox_King | Freeshadow: i freely admit, i know nothing of linux lol.... building something in it would be.... something i'm not familiar with |
| 01:57.19 | g4lt | Ox_King what kernel are you running? |
| 01:57.30 | Ox_King | g4lt: how do i find out? |
| 01:57.31 | g4lt | Ox_King (you can get this via uname) |
| 01:57.33 | Freeshadow | jms, via82xxx works fine without alsa i use oss 4 it |
| 01:57.57 | Freeshadow | uname -a gives u all |
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| 01:58.05 | jms | I'm not sure what sound chip I have.... |
| 01:58.09 | sridharinfinity | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.17 | Freeshadow | jms, do lspci |
| 01:58.40 | Ox_King | g4lt: 2.6.8.1 |
| 01:58.49 | g4lt | oh, fuck me |
| 01:58.57 | Ox_King | 0o |
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| 01:59.03 | Freeshadow | g4lt, cuttin edge |
| 01:59.04 | Ox_King | that bad? |
| 01:59.13 | Freeshadow | so it is a custom |
| 01:59.31 | jms | lspci.....is SMBus sound? |
| 01:59.32 | TheMonoTone | ok, I have a proliant 800 with dual pentium pros, but for some reason freebsd won't see both processors, has anyone had experience with debian and this box? |
| 01:59.35 | sridharinfinity | in apt-get dist-upgrade, i just want to upgrade if real version of package (not debian release) is available, otherwise, i should defer the upgrade of that package when next real version arrives. how is this achieved (note: i am a dialup user, so this is optimal) |
| 01:59.36 | g4lt | Ox_King you're running a nonstandard kernel, therefore you have a custom kernel. We don't even know if your NIC is modular |
| 01:59.39 | TheMonoTone | does it work with smp |
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| 01:59.52 | Ox_King | g4lt: is there a way to find out? |
| 02:00.00 | Freeshadow | that means that your builder 4got to check your NICs driver mod |
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| 02:00.20 | g4lt | Ox_King how did you get a bleeding-edge kernel as a n00b? |
| 02:00.27 | jms | SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller (rev 02) is the only thing I don't understand....is that for sound? |
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| 02:00.35 | Ox_King | g4lt: i didn't do it, lol MasterRa did it lol |
| 02:00.46 | TheMonoTone | nm |
| 02:00.48 | Freeshadow | jms nope |
| 02:00.48 | TheMonoTone | I see the issue |
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| 02:00.52 | g4lt | Ox_King can you boot into your install kernel anymore? |
| 02:01.03 | caspercba | jms, no |
| 02:01.03 | Freeshadow | msg your lspci to me |
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| 02:01.05 | Ox_King | sure, if you want me to? |
| 02:01.33 | tripppy | what does this mean "Debian != Knoppix " |
| 02:01.35 | g4lt | Ox_King please |
| 02:01.36 | Ox_King | g4lt: well i can try anyways |
| 02:01.37 | Ox_King | ok |
| 02:01.40 | jms | 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82875P Memory Controller Hub (rev 02) |
| 02:01.40 | jms | 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82875P Processor to AGP Controller (rev 02) |
| 02:01.40 | jms | 0000:00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #1 (rev 02) |
| 02:01.40 | jms | 0000:00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB UHCI #2 (rev 02) |
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| 02:01.42 | ubb | tripppy, simply what it meants |
| 02:01.49 | ubb | debian does not equal knoppix |
| 02:02.01 | jello | tripppy: it means that knoppix, while based on debian, is not exactly like debian |
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| 02:02.02 | tripppy | oh ok |
| 02:02.07 | ansong | does anyone know how to patch the orinoco drivers in the 2.6.7 kernel to support monitor mode? |
| 02:02.12 | tripppy | wrong place for a questiong then.... |
| 02:02.20 | jello | tripppy: exactly |
| 02:02.27 | jms | sorry about that |
| 02:02.32 | jello | tripppy: try #knoppix |
| 02:02.41 | tripppy | cheers |
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| 02:03.19 | caspercba | jms, the last line ended with UHCI #2 (rev02)? |
| 02:03.28 | ubb | so does anyone know what site I can look for to add a shortcut launcher in enlightenment? |
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| 02:03.35 | jello | funny, #knoppix doesn't have 'knoppix != debian' in their /topic |
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| 02:03.55 | caspercba | jms, cos there's no audio there. It has to say multimedia, audio or something |
| 02:03.57 | g4lt | jello go ask them for Debian-specific help thn ;P |
| 02:04.02 | t-jack | Why did I register this nick? I never get memos, anyway. |
| 02:04.07 | scarynetworkguy | jello: and this is our problem, how? |
| 02:04.14 | jello | just commenting... |
| 02:04.24 | g4lt | t-jack because you want to keep it? |
| 02:04.31 | Guerin | jello: it's because they like to think that knoppix IS debian |
| 02:04.37 | Supaplex | jello: like anyone expects MacOS X to operate the same way BSD does. (go cry to a bsd guru about a mac os issue, or vice-vesa) |
| 02:04.41 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: so that when we see you we know that is it you and/or somebody got your password. :) |
| 02:05.43 | Supaplex | jello: is fvwm95 windows because it "appears" and "acts" similar? same concept :) |
| 02:06.05 | jello | i'm not complaining, just making the observation |
| 02:06.14 | g4lt | !essentially debian |
| 02:06.14 | dpkg | i heard essentially debian is yea, xandros, libra, knoppix are all essentially debian, but methanol is essentially ethanol, and we don't recommend you drink methanol either. Just like you don't go to a Mitsubishi dealership for help with a Plymouth Champ, or a VW dealership for help with a Porsche 914/4, don't ask #debian for help with your pseudo-Debian: either get help from your distributor or switch to full-on Debian |
| 02:06.54 | Freeshadow | who typed this stuff in him |
| 02:06.55 | jms | I tried to /msg freeshadow with the lines from lspci, but it only sent him the first line. then, subsequent lines were sent to the channel and it kicked me after fifth one |
| 02:06.55 | rich_ | jello Its because debian has the most developers. When they run out of toystory charactors they should call a version "king james" :) |
| 02:06.58 | jello | dpkg: essentially debian =~ s/yea/yeah/ |
| 02:06.58 | dpkg | jello: OK |
| 02:06.59 | Supaplex | bu bu but it's all linux :P |
| 02:07.02 | caspercba | dpkg: hehe, that's a real bot |
| 02:07.02 | dpkg | caspercba: bugger all, i dunno |
| 02:07.15 | g4lt | Freeshadow that one was me |
| 02:07.26 | jello | !botsnack |
| 02:07.26 | dpkg | jello: aw, gee |
| 02:07.36 | Supaplex | jms: /msg != /query |
| 02:07.39 | Freeshadow | really g4lt ? |
| 02:07.54 | Freeshadow | Supaplex, my fault |
| 02:08.00 | g4lt | Freeshadow yep, version 1 was a minor debacle |
| 02:08.05 | Freeshadow | i told him to msg the stuff |
| 02:08.12 | Supaplex | hehe |
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| 02:08.14 | Ox_King | g4lt: it looks like i don't have the install kernel anymore |
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| 02:08.31 | g4lt | Ox_King is there a linuxOLD or an equivalent? |
| 02:08.37 | Freeshadow | g4lt, this bot is fucking funny respect |
| 02:08.45 | Ox_King | g4lt: yeah i'm in it right now, same problem |
| 02:08.48 | jms | oh. will /query work better for a multiple line cut/paste? |
| 02:08.55 | g4lt | Ox_King uname that kernel... |
| 02:08.57 | caspercba | jms, if you don't find something like multimedia or audio, it's because the audio is disabled from bios, or you have an irq compatibility issue |
| 02:09.17 | Freeshadow | just paste them inside the query window which is open now jms |
| 02:09.24 | Ox_King | g4lt: 2.6.6 |
| 02:09.24 | jms | caspercba: there is nothing like multimedia or audio |
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| 02:09.42 | caspercba | paste it to Freeshadow, he's our master |
| 02:09.57 | g4lt | Ox_King sweet mother of god, masterRa really screwed you |
| 02:10.09 | Freeshadow | caspercba, this prob seems so trivial that i can do it :D i think |
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| 02:10.25 | Tetsou | Were can i set what programs users are allowed to use? Like if i want a group to be able to use php, mysql, ftp, mail and so on. |
| 02:10.30 | croepha|home | hey, can someone help me get my printer to work? |
| 02:10.37 | tripppy | would it be possible to set up a debian based system, running multiple NIC's and modem to share internet? |
| 02:10.41 | jello | !tell croepha|home about ask |
| 02:10.44 | Ox_King | g4lt: so your saying.... i'm screwed? |
| 02:11.06 | g4lt | Ox_King not quite, but you have to sneakernet a usable kernel onto your system |
| 02:11.18 | Guerin | tripppy: anything's possible |
| 02:11.19 | caspercba | Freeshadow, sure, i'm do not know the things you know, i'm kind of new here. Go on |
| 02:11.33 | Ox_King | g4lt: alrighty, should i reboot into the newer kernel? |
| 02:11.37 | ninjaturtle | i've read man mount, and the only thing that i read that it could resolve my problema was the option "rw" but i puted in fstab and it didn't helped nothing :\ |
| 02:12.05 | g4lt | Ox_King at this point, it really doesn't matter what kernel you'er in, they all will need about the same treatment |
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| 02:12.30 | Ox_King | 0o |
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| 02:12.43 | Freeshadow | caspercba, we are all new somehow i think |
| 02:12.50 | Ox_King | g4lt: lemme reboot, then we can proceed |
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| 02:12.54 | miles8 | Do any of the net installers automatically install the latest kernel? |
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| 02:13.14 | jief | hi, i'm about to install debian-amd64. is it stable enough for use? |
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| 02:13.18 | jello | miles8: iirc, they include the latest one available in sarge |
| 02:13.25 | g4lt | Ox_King basically, you need to ftp to ftp.debian.org, get a 2.4 series kernel, sneakernet to your computer, then dpkg -i it |
| 02:13.57 | Ox_King | g4lt: i'd love too, but... the debian machine doesn't have any net |
| 02:14.16 | g4lt | !sneakernet |
| 02:14.16 | dpkg | [sneakernet] 10base1.44 technology -- high bandwidth but high latency, too. |
| 02:14.20 | m4dh4x0r | anybody here use pure-ftpd? |
| 02:14.24 | caspercba | ninjaturtle: put this /dev/hdax /mnt/windows rw,user,noauto,unhide in fstab |
| 02:14.29 | jms | Freeshadow: /query with no arg |
| 02:14.37 | miles8 | jello: You have a link handy for those? |
| 02:14.44 | jms | ok, I'm off to check my bios |
| 02:15.06 | jello | miles8: for what, d-i? http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 02:15.17 | g4lt | Ox_King basically, dump it to CDRW or floppy, then use your sneakers to move it to the machine |
| 02:15.19 | ninjaturtle | caspercba, ok |
| 02:15.22 | caspercba | freeshadow, ok thank you, but i installed linux 2 weeks ago, so i'm really new here |
| 02:15.23 | tripppy | guerin: would it act like a switch, hub or router? |
| 02:15.39 | Freeshadow | caspercba, ok |
| 02:15.54 | Ox_King | g4lt: alrighty, i'll give it a try |
| 02:15.58 | miles8 | jello: I don't know what iirc is |
| 02:16.14 | jello | miles8: iirc = if i recall correctly |
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| 02:16.35 | ninjaturtle | caspercba, know i have to do reboot right ? because of "noauto" i can't do mount -a |
| 02:16.38 | cujillo | anyone knows a good and easy to configure pop3, stmp daemon ??? |
| 02:17.17 | willtmo | How do I stop a certain module from being loaded at boot time by the kernel ? other than recompiling the whole thing. |
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| 02:17.23 | caspercba | ninjaturtle: i forgot /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat rw,user put this |
| 02:17.53 | ninjaturtle | i already have options "rw,user" and doesn't work |
| 02:18.00 | m4dh4x0r | ok, im trying to setup users with pure-ftpd, when i do pure-pw it says command not found.. does it need to be in a certain directory? |
| 02:18.05 | ninjaturtle | i can't access with other user |
| 02:18.08 | yxa | is there a way to upload a file using ftp using only single command? if not how would some1 write a script to accomplish this |
| 02:18.19 | miles8 | For amd-64 I want the i386 distro? |
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| 02:18.31 | jello | yxa: read the manpage |
| 02:19.12 | croepha|home | please help me, i am stupid, can someone tell how to print a text file and how to print via mozilla, i have an HP deskjet and i installed the driverrs and i also installed cupsd, but when i click print in mozilla its not working ?? |
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| 02:19.46 | caspercba | ninjaturtle, user option if for that |
| 02:19.54 | jms | ok, now lspci has this: Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC |
| 02:19.54 | jms | '97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 02:19.56 | Freeshadow | caspercba, i am in it 2 years this counts nothing regardless how much one does know there will be some things one doesn't |
| 02:20.23 | caspercba | Freeshadow, yeah, i agree you |
| 02:20.34 | ninjaturtle | caspercba, didn't understand, should i put "rw,user" or "rw,user,noauto,unhide" ? |
| 02:21.10 | ninjaturtle | with rw,user it says "bash: cd: /mnt/windows/: Permission denied |
| 02:21.10 | ninjaturtle | " |
| 02:21.11 | Freeshadow | jms, u have debkernel running? |
| 02:21.15 | caspercba | only rw, user should be enough, sorry |
| 02:21.25 | g4lt | ninjaturtle noauto means it won't mount when the mount -a gets issued on init |
| 02:21.43 | caspercba | jms, intel 82801EB/ER is your chip |
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| 02:22.13 | caspercba | jms, now look in alsa site, for an specific driver for that chip |
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| 02:22.47 | smacnay | how does one alter their alsa modules setup? update-modules appears to be no longer used. dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base gave me one option (keep settings across shutdowns) and exited. |
| 02:23.08 | Freeshadow | dumb croe i could have helped him |
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| 02:23.27 | caspercba | ninjaturtle: have you done mount -a first ? |
| 02:23.31 | jms | Freeshadow: debkernel? |
| 02:23.32 | ninjaturtle | yes |
| 02:23.53 | Freeshadow | jms, a debian stock or a selfmade |
| 02:23.57 | ninjaturtle | caspercba, putting "rw" or "user" or "rw,user" it always retrieves "bash: cd: /mnt/windows/: Permission denied" |
| 02:23.57 | caspercba | ninjaturtle: and it worked? |
| 02:23.57 | Freeshadow | kernel |
| 02:24.08 | jms | Freeshadow: selfmade |
| 02:24.11 | ninjaturtle | my head is burning |
| 02:24.14 | m4dh4x0r | ok, im trying to setup users with pure-ftpd, when i do pure-pw it says command not found.. does it need to be in a certain directory? |
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| 02:24.28 | Guerin | m4dh4x0r: check your path |
| 02:24.39 | Guerin | m4dh4x0r: you probably have to run it as root |
| 02:24.44 | Guerin | !nickometer m4dh4x0r |
| 02:24.44 | dpkg | 'm4dh4x0r' is 99.9337% lame, guerin |
| 02:24.45 | Freeshadow | jms well then ther is nochance that the module u need lies somwhere around precompiled |
| 02:24.49 | Guerin | !botsnack |
| 02:24.49 | dpkg | Guerin: aw, gee |
| 02:25.25 | caspercba | ninjaturtle, the user option enables you to mount the partition, that worked. Now you need permission to access that filesystem (windows). |
| 02:25.49 | ninjaturtle | yes |
| 02:25.56 | thomas_adam | Jesus - why the fuck is he reply to _age_ old threads on d-u for? |
| 02:26.00 | ninjaturtle | i chmod 777 /mnt/windows |
| 02:26.06 | ninjaturtle | and it didn't worked |
| 02:26.15 | Guerin | thomas_adam: I didn't know Jesus was subscribed to d-u |
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| 02:26.22 | Freeshadow | lol |
| 02:26.22 | jms | Freeshadow: maybe I don't know what I am talking about. When I said selfmade, I menat i ran make xconfig myself and then compiled the kernel herre on my machine. is that what you were asking? |
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| 02:26.36 | Freeshadow | jms yes |
| 02:26.40 | thomas_adam | ninjaturtle: windows knows nothing of unix file perms, let alone the perms on the mountpoint make no odds. |
| 02:26.42 | jms | ok |
| 02:27.08 | Freeshadow | jms google 4 your chip |
| 02:27.21 | ninjaturtle | thomas_adam, i only did that because i'm still trying to reach windows partition |
| 02:27.27 | Freeshadow | or check suse hw database |
| 02:27.34 | thomas_adam | ninjaturtle: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 02:27.44 | jms | so now I am wondering what I need to set in xconfig for my sound card. yes, I'll go google for the chip now that I know what it is.... |
| 02:27.56 | thomas_adam | jms: lspci |
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| 02:28.05 | Guerin | jms: use a stock debian kernel, and get it working under that first. |
| 02:28.13 | Guerin | jms: make note of which modules it uses. |
| 02:28.26 | thomas_adam | jms: By a Hi-Fi system. ;) |
| 02:28.30 | thomas_adam | s/By/Buy/ |
| 02:28.32 | Freeshadow | yeah therefor i askt what kernel he runs |
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| 02:28.34 | tempo_ | hi, i'm trying to create a redudent connection from two different isp's. each one is located on a seprate cisco pix (515e). i am trying to create a situation where one failes the other takes over with the second isp's configuration |
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| 02:28.52 | Guerin | jms: trying to compile and use your own kernels before you know which modules actually work is sort of like goiing bowling with a baseball |
| 02:29.01 | tempo_ | ideas how to pull that one off ? do i really have to setup a central gateway or can i use one of the pixes |
| 02:29.11 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Hey -- don't knock it until you've tried it. |
| 02:29.18 | steve | test |
| 02:29.24 | steve | hey- it works |
| 02:29.25 | thomas_adam | steve: You failed. |
| 02:29.27 | Freeshadow | test failed |
| 02:29.30 | Guerin | thomas_adam: fair enough. I found bowling with a regular bowling ball was bad enough. |
| 02:29.42 | steve | dang |
| 02:29.46 | jms | Guerin: I use smaller pins |
| 02:29.54 | thomas_adam | Guerin: I've only ever been bowling once. I too was a disaster. |
| 02:30.14 | cujillo | anyone knows a good and easy to configure pop3, stmp daemon ??? |
| 02:30.17 | Guerin | thomas_adam: I beat my wife, that's really my only achievement. She got a strike before I did, though :( |
| 02:30.25 | thomas_adam | Guerin: heh. |
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| 02:30.36 | thomas_adam | cujillo: Depends which you use. |
| 02:30.38 | Freeshadow | oh a geek with wife? |
| 02:30.50 | thomas_adam | Freeshadow: Don't be naive. |
| 02:30.54 | Guerin | cujillo: smtpd: postfix or exim4; pop3: courier-pop3 |
| 02:30.55 | tempo_ | Freeshadow: :p |
| 02:31.06 | Guerin | Freeshadow: wow, a geek who's a tw@ ? |
| 02:31.08 | cujillo | ok |
| 02:31.20 | jms | Guerin: wife beating is not nice |
| 02:31.29 | Guerin | jms: fair enough |
| 02:31.34 | Freeshadow | Guerin, not me |
| 02:31.36 | steve | hey- you should check out this book called beating season |
| 02:31.45 | steve | its a book for men by men |
| 02:31.45 | thomas_adam | My last girlfriend slapped me around the face when I mentioned marriage. |
| 02:31.47 | Guerin | good thing ricky clarkson isn't here |
| 02:31.53 | Guerin | thomas_adam: haha |
| 02:31.58 | Freeshadow | Guerin, why? |
| 02:32.06 | Guerin | thomas_adam: I would expect anyone sane would, at your age |
| 02:32.14 | thomas_adam | Guerin: :) |
| 02:32.19 | Guerin | Freeshadow: /msg dpkg qotd1 |
| 02:32.28 | Guerin | thomas_adam: though, that said, I got married at 22 |
| 02:32.45 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Wow! |
| 02:32.47 | Guerin | the operative word being "sane" |
| 02:32.57 | Freeshadow | lol |
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| 02:33.14 | thomas_adam | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.19 | Freeshadow | im 28 and gave it up |
| 02:33.31 | Guerin | Freeshadow: gave what up? |
| 02:33.35 | m4dh4x0r | so search.. is it apt-cache search string? |
| 02:33.44 | Guerin | m4dh4x0r: did you try it? |
| 02:33.45 | thomas_adam | m4dh4x0r: yes. |
| 02:33.51 | m4dh4x0r | ok |
| 02:33.54 | g4lt | Guerin only thing I can figure is he gave up wimmin... ;P |
| 02:34.03 | m4dh4x0r | isnt there another way to get packages like that? |
| 02:34.05 | Freeshadow | Guerin, the whole find a lass thingy |
| 02:34.09 | Guerin | g4lt: that's what was figuring, I just thought it fair to ask for clarification |
| 02:34.12 | Guerin | ah |
| 02:34.14 | Guerin | !win g4lt |
| 02:34.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, g4lt! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 02:34.27 | ninjaturtle | thomas_adam, thank you, it worked |
| 02:34.27 | g4lt | Freeshadow ahh, taking the Dark Side? |
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| 02:34.59 | Freeshadow | i always end up as their so called best friend and a kind of psychiatrist |
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| 02:35.25 | Guerin | Freeshadow: haha |
| 02:35.25 | Freeshadow | i dunno have the nerves 4 that anymore |
| 02:35.44 | Freeshadow | binary, what is? |
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| 02:36.02 | thomas_adam | Freeshadow: 00010101011110101 |
| 02:36.28 | Freeshadow | thomas_adam, hahaha |
| 02:37.05 | cafuego | !mock you |
| 02:37.25 | Freeshadow | binary, why do u the f slap me? |
| 02:38.03 | Freeshadow | g4lt, have you rebuilt eliza 4 this bot? |
| 02:38.12 | cafuego | !4 |
| 02:38.13 | dpkg | it has been said that 4 is pow(2,2) or maybe even sqrt(16), or unless you're talking mathematics it's FOR! not 4! see ne1 |
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| 02:38.34 | g4lt | Freeshadow it's not my bot, that was just my factoid. it'd dondelel1aro's bot |
| 02:39.10 | Freeshadow | i start asking myself what isnt built in there |
| 02:39.26 | m4dh4x0r | !dpkg apt-cache |
| 02:39.26 | dpkg | methinks apt-cache is a tool for querying the package cache in various ways, like searching for arbitrary text, showing full descriptions, showing dependencies. 'man apt-cache', or too see where package comes from (stable, testing, unstable...), apt-cache policy <package_name> and apt-cache show <package_name>, or apt-cache showpkg to search for reverse dependencies, and apt-cache search to search for packages... |
| 02:39.26 | g4lt | Freeshadow use the source, luke |
| 02:39.26 | Guerin | Freeshadow: not very much is missing. |
| 02:39.41 | Guerin | Freeshadow: dpkg actually has the whole google archive in him as well. |
| 02:39.49 | Freeshadow | if !blowjob and !cook works too send me a copy :D |
| 02:40.04 | g4lt | !my factoids |
| 02:40.04 | dpkg | my factoids are at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ |
| 02:40.05 | Guerin | haha, how lame is that |
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| 02:40.13 | johnga1t | command line question: what's a one-liner to read line from file and append something to the end of that file? |
| 02:40.15 | m4dh4x0r | how do you get a package from apt-cache? |
| 02:40.25 | johnga1t | m4dh4x0r : sudo apt-get install |
| 02:40.32 | Guerin | !tell m4dh4x0r about fundamentals |
| 02:40.41 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 02:40.54 | Guerin | g4lt and johnga1t in the same place |
| 02:40.55 | johnga1t | Guerin : you yellin at me? (sorry ... ) |
| 02:41.05 | Guerin | the fabric of the universe is about to rupture |
| 02:41.11 | rares | cat ca >> ca |
| 02:41.18 | johnga1t | g4lt : sorry dude :) didn't mean to steal your handle. |
| 02:41.47 | johnga1t | rares : the line will be grep-ed from a file |
| 02:42.04 | rares | cat ca | grep caca >> ca |
| 02:42.04 | johnga1t | what i'd really like to do is just a one-liner for appending text to a line in a file that contains a certain string |
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| 02:42.23 | g4lt | johnga1t append is cmd >> foo |
| 02:42.28 | jms | caspercba: what was that alsa site you mentioned? |
| 02:42.31 | Freeshadow | johnga1t, dont say nothin bout nickstealin :( I always use Freeshadow and find ir already reserved here |
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| 02:43.02 | Guerin | johnga1t: you'd need to do an if. It stops bieng a one-liner somewhere about here. |
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| 02:43.15 | johnga1t | rares: but that'll append to end of file, yes? |
| 02:43.16 | rares | whatever happened to oublinet |
| 02:43.28 | rares | yes append is >> |
| 02:43.37 | johnga1t | rares: i'm looking for just one lien |
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| 02:43.47 | Freeshadow | im not the kimd of that likes beating :D |
| 02:43.48 | jms | I think I need intel ICH (i8xx) audio support for OSS...... I still can't find if what specifically might be needed for s/pdif |
| 02:43.52 | Guerin | johnga1t: sed s/foo/foobar/ ? |
| 02:43.59 | rares | what's a netlork |
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| 02:44.18 | Freeshadow | jms, theres nothin wrong about oss i dont use alsa at all |
| 02:44.21 | cafuego | !dict netlork |
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| 02:44.23 | dpkg | could not find definition for netlork |
| 02:44.27 | cafuego | rares: nothing |
| 02:44.38 | rares | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.44 | caspercba | jms: look for alsa in google, it's a famous sound module |
| 02:44.44 | Guerin | i think it might be something like a newtrok |
| 02:44.56 | rares | wait that's not netlork |
| 02:44.59 | rares | hmm |
| 02:45.04 | Guerin | jms: what kernle version |
| 02:45.04 | cafuego | rares: scarynet1orkguy is an idiot |
| 02:45.05 | sussudio | newtrok on monday |
| 02:45.07 | johnga1t | Guerin : grep "important string txtfile | sed s/\n/at end of line\n/ |
| 02:45.08 | johnga1t | ? |
| 02:45.08 | cafuego | rares: Different issue |
| 02:45.09 | jms | Freeshadow: I'm game to try OSS. so far, no sound |
| 02:45.10 | Freeshadow | net-dork? |
| 02:45.21 | jms | Guerin: 2.6.6 |
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| 02:45.25 | g4lt | sussudio so on tuesday, is is an oldtrok? |
| 02:45.28 | Guerin | johnga1t: something along those lines |
| 02:45.37 | sussudio | :-| |
| 02:45.41 | Guerin | johnga1t: I suck at sed, and cba thinking about it |
| 02:45.43 | tempo_ | .. |
| 02:45.43 | johnga1t | Guerin : hmph. sed doens't complain, but doesn't do any appending either |
| 02:45.51 | Piggy | :8= |
| 02:45.52 | nailbiter | johnga1t: if you've got a recent version of sed, you can use the "-i" to alter text in-place in the file. |
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| 02:45.57 | Guerin | jms: use alsa. OSS is deprecated. |
| 02:46.02 | rares | sed gives you the measles |
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| 02:46.13 | Guerin | johnga1t: no, it doesn't append by default, but you can probably make it so. |
| 02:46.17 | rares | OSS doesn't support my card refuses to find it |
| 02:46.28 | Guerin | rares: see my advice to jms |
| 02:46.28 | nvz | Piggy: squeal |
| 02:46.36 | jms | Guerin: ok. i did compile in alsa |
| 02:46.46 | rares | Guerin my bad I meant alsa |
| 02:46.48 | johnga1t | Guerin : ahhh ... this is what i want; sed s/$/at end of line/ |
| 02:46.55 | Guerin | jms: did you take my advice about bowling with a baseball |
| 02:47.13 | Freeshadow | rares, i see no reason to try alsa when oss works fine |
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| 02:47.20 | g4lt | Guerin wouldn't that be Cricket? |
| 02:47.25 | Guerin | rares: what card?? |
| 02:47.33 | rares | I do when I get rich and have 8 speakers |
| 02:47.33 | Guerin | g4lt: close, but not quite. |
| 02:47.33 | Freeshadow | g4lt, right |
| 02:47.42 | rares | cs4232 type |
| 02:47.48 | rich_ | jms rares After you select also or oss, you have to choose the driver that is for your card |
| 02:47.55 | Guerin | rares: haha, isapnp |
| 02:47.58 | Guerin | ? |
| 02:48.00 | jms | I read somewhere that alsa s set to mute by default and a mixer is required. Is that true? |
| 02:48.08 | Guerin | jms: yes |
| 02:48.15 | rares | well isa at least and alsa can't find it |
| 02:48.15 | jms | Guerin: yes. I said I use small pins for that |
| 02:48.22 | g4lt | Guerin one of my friends prolly needs to use a softball to bowl, he brok his arm bowling last week :/ |
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| 02:48.41 | Guerin | g4lt: fuck. |
| 02:48.43 | jms | What is a good mixer? |
| 02:48.48 | Guerin | g4lt: an american who plays cricket? |
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| 02:48.53 | bronaugh | question.. does anyone here have a Panasonic laptop? I need a guinea pig or two for a kernel driver for its hotkeys. |
| 02:48.54 | bluefox83 | how do i get the man pages on building a .deb ? |
| 02:48.54 | rares | aumix |
| 02:48.59 | rares | aumix-gtk |
| 02:48.59 | rich_ | jms aumixer |
| 02:49.01 | g4lt | jms I've found tha tJVC makes good mixers ;P |
| 02:49.03 | johnga1t | thanks guys. |
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| 02:49.21 | jms | g4lt: :-) |
| 02:49.34 | Freeshadow | aumix works for oss too |
| 02:49.43 | nailbiter | bluefox83: if you're creating a package from scratch, you'd probably want to read the new maintainers' guide at -- http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide |
| 02:50.12 | bluefox83 | actually, i want to build a .deb from source i downloaded on sourceforge.. |
| 02:50.20 | jms | do i need to install amixer before I can do any use of the sound? |
| 02:50.43 | bluefox83 | jms, yes |
| 02:50.48 | nailbiter | bluefox83: that's what the maintainers' guide describes -- how to debianize someone else's sources. |
| 02:50.52 | rich_ | jms very likely, otherwise you cant control the volumes |
| 02:51.14 | Freeshadow | g4lt, a question bout nicks since someone reserved the 1 i use can i somehow contact him? |
| 02:51.14 | bluefox83 | cool..*waits on browser to open* |
| 02:51.14 | nvz | bluefox83: dillo, links.. |
| 02:51.18 | nvz | get a faster browser |
| 02:51.20 | nvz | wget |
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| 02:51.23 | g4lt | Freeshadow /msg memoserv help |
| 02:51.32 | Freeshadow | thx |
| 02:51.44 | bronaugh | anyhow, second request - does anyone here have a Panasonic laptop? |
| 02:51.47 | jms | ok... |
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| 02:52.05 | g4lt | bronaugh why don't you just ask your fucking question? |
| 02:52.08 | rich_ | bronaugh you mean for sale? |
| 02:52.12 | ansong | does anyone know how to patch the orinoco drivers in the 2.6.7 kernel to support monitor mode? |
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| 02:52.23 | bronaugh | rich_: no I mean for testing a kernel driver on :) |
| 02:52.37 | ansong | or do i need to nix pcmcia/wireless from kernel and get pcmcia_cs package? |
| 02:52.45 | rich_ | bronaugh You mean for free? |
| 02:53.04 | bronaugh | no, I just need someone to get the code, patch their kernel, and try it out. |
| 02:53.06 | bronaugh | see how it works. |
| 02:53.22 | bronaugh | specifically, the driver's for the R1N, R2, R3, W2, T2, and Y2 |
| 02:53.58 | rich_ | bronaugh I understand that, but thats a pretty big risk for someone to take for someone they dont know, for free. |
| 02:54.09 | bluefox83 | arg, i don't want to be a package maintainer, i just want to change the source i downloaded to a .deb so if i mess it up i can remove it easier |
| 02:54.11 | jms | ok. I am running aumix now. I don't see that anything is on mute. all levels are on 67....except 'mic' |
| 02:54.23 | bronaugh | rich_: umm, whatever you say. |
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| 02:54.40 | Etmetx | what's better for Java? Eclipse or NetBeans ? |
| 02:54.46 | nailbiter | bluefox83: there's no one-shot, easy way of doing it. you _have_ to create all the control information needed to build a debian package. |
| 02:54.47 | bronaugh | I actually have the acpi register spec for those laptops. |
| 02:55.04 | bluefox83 | damnit all to hell -_- |
| 02:55.33 | nailbiter | bluefox83: you could convert an rpm or a slackware package into a debian one, but that's not guaranteed to work properly .. |
| 02:55.33 | bronaugh | and it's known to work (previous to my recent round of hacking on it) to work on the R3 |
| 02:55.38 | bluefox83 | i don't want to change the paths and junk..i want them to install where the origianl script tells it to go.. |
| 02:55.51 | bluefox83 | nailbiter, all i have is source code... |
| 02:55.54 | Freeshadow | !send Freeshadow could u contact me plz? I wanted to ask you if i can have the nick since i use it all over the net freeshadow@web.de |
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| 02:56.11 | jms | I was reading the sound how-to and trying to cat a file to /dev/audio. Shold I just use xmms instead? |
| 02:56.13 | nailbiter | bluefox83: you can always install into /usr/local, and use a tool like 'stow' to manage that. |
| 02:56.19 | g4lt | Freeshadow dpkg is not memoserv.... |
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| 02:56.35 | mrnull | When performing a network install, will it automatically accept my nick? I can't seem to conncet, but I think it found everything. I can run network config |
| 02:56.45 | Freeshadow | g4lt, how then |
| 02:56.50 | Etmetx | what's eclipse-javac ? |
| 02:56.53 | g4lt | Freeshadow /msg memoserv help |
| 02:57.00 | bronaugh | anyhow, since no one appears to have hardware they could test this on.. I'm gone. |
| 02:57.01 | g4lt | AGAIN |
| 02:57.02 | bluefox83 | i'm trying to build the source from gaim-0.79-vv into a .deb, since it's not in apt yet.. |
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| 02:57.28 | Freeshadow | g4lt, i tried with /send |
| 02:57.35 | jms | ha! "standard" sound plays through xmms |
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| 02:57.50 | jms | How do I send a signal to digital out? |
| 02:57.52 | Freeshadow | bluefox83, checkinstall |
| 02:58.05 | bluefox83 | Freeshadow, huh? |
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| 02:58.27 | nvz | bluefox83: where have you been? gaim is currently 0.81 and its 0.80 in sarge |
| 02:58.29 | Freeshadow | bluefox83, checkinstall instead of make install makes a deb |
| 02:58.40 | bluefox83 | oh really? |
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| 02:58.44 | bluefox83 | neato |
| 02:58.47 | nvz | bluefox83: really gaim.sf.net |
| 02:58.54 | nvz | !info gaim |
| 02:58.57 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:0.81-3 (sid), Packaged size: 3121 kB, Installed size: 8452 kB |
| 02:59.03 | bluefox83 | nvz, it doesn't come with webcam support though |
| 02:59.11 | caspercba | gn ppl |
| 02:59.20 | bluefox83 | which is why i'm installing this one :D |
| 02:59.52 | nvz | no idea |
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| 02:59.57 | ansong | any info on wireless monitor mode? i've done my googling... need help interpreting results |
| 03:00.16 | bluefox83 | see, it requires these damned libs and junk, and plugins..but i have never been able to get the plugins to load right.. |
| 03:00.24 | jms | is there a specific application I need to use to play and record digital sound/ |
| 03:00.29 | mrnull | what are some other debian mirrors (besides default) for network install? |
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| 03:00.39 | Freeshadow | g4lt, nice i need an auth 4 it |
| 03:00.45 | g4lt | bluefox83 you can get a good portion of them with apt-get build-dep gaim |
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| 03:00.48 | nvz | mrnull: where are you located? |
| 03:01.07 | g4lt | Freeshadow please, deal with this on #freenode |
| 03:01.10 | mrnull | North Carolina, US |
| 03:01.16 | quantillis | Hey Guys, question for ya: Ldap and Samba under Debian... What do I have to do to get it to work? |
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| 03:01.38 | g4lt | !tell quantillis about sicco |
| 03:01.48 | nvz | mrnull: natasha.stmarytx.edu/debian/ is closest for me, but techweb.rfa.org should work good for you too |
| 03:02.02 | rich_ | jms theres a nice package searching web thing for searching for packages. Theres like 14000 of them, so its not an easy question. |
| 03:02.18 | ninjaturtle | in kernel 2.6.8, wich module i need to probe do use my PS/2 mice ? |
| 03:02.22 | mrnull | so.. just put in techweb.rfa.org/debian? Thnx |
| 03:02.31 | mrnull | It can't seem to contact the default :( |
| 03:02.46 | bluefox83 | http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/ <---this si what i am trying to convert to .deb |
| 03:02.48 | bluefox83 | *is |
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| 03:03.10 | g4lt | ninjaturtle mousedev and psmouse |
| 03:03.14 | nvz | St Mary's is in San Antonio, thats about as local as I could find |
| 03:03.28 | jms | rich_: right. I've tried apt-cache search a bit, and other web searches, but I'm not having luck about using s/pdif |
| 03:03.40 | quantillis | g4lt: Okay, more specific: Windows 2000 server that's going to have home drives and profiles on a Debian Sarge box. This system will have to have the permisions it obtains from the Active Directory on the 2000 server. |
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| 03:03.58 | mrnull | nvz: If I can run network config, that means it found my NIC? |
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| 03:04.06 | g4lt | quantillis so what's the question? |
| 03:04.11 | Freeshadow | he said the badword |
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| 03:04.27 | nvz | mrnull: what are you talking about |
| 03:04.36 | nvz | mrnull: what is _it_ |
| 03:04.38 | mrnull | trying to do a network install with no luck |
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| 03:04.44 | mrnull | it's a realtek 8029 |
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| 03:04.57 | g4lt | !abuse foolhardy |
| 03:04.58 | dpkg | foolhardy: You vacuous, toffee-nosed, malodorous pervert! |
| 03:05.11 | quantillis | g4lt: A) I'll need ldap to do this, or is there another way? B) If Ldap is the way to go, would somebody be kind enough to point me to some debian documentation? |
| 03:05.24 | Freeshadow | mrnull, which nic & kernel? |
| 03:05.59 | g4lt | quantillis A) you'll need winbindd, and B) #samba |
| 03:06.01 | nvz | mrnull: do _NOT_ dcc me |
| 03:06.04 | mrnull | Freeshadow: not my pc. It's a realtek NIC. trying to install latest debian |
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| 03:06.12 | quantillis | g4lt: Thanks. |
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| 03:06.22 | Freeshadow | is it a standard or wlan |
| 03:06.38 | bluefox83 | Freeshadow, checkinstall didn't work.. |
| 03:06.50 | mrnull | standard? sorry. Just trying to connect to the DSL modem |
| 03:06.51 | Etmetx | I've got NVIDIA drivers so I can't have framebuffer console support... is there other way to change the low console resolution? |
| 03:06.58 | g4lt | bluefox83 there's a surprise... |
| 03:07.07 | bluefox83 | what was i spoce to do? |
| 03:07.25 | bluefox83 | i ran ./configure |
| 03:07.27 | g4lt | bluefox83 did you do apt-get build-dep gaim yet? |
| 03:07.35 | Freeshadow | mrnull, so it is one with a cable |
| 03:07.41 | g4lt | or were you too busy jackjawing? |
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| 03:07.43 | bluefox83 | no, and i wont |
| 03:07.49 | bluefox83 | i'm not installing gaim |
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| 03:07.54 | bluefox83 | i'm installign gaim-vv |
| 03:07.54 | g4lt | fine, suit yourself |
| 03:08.00 | bluefox83 | *installing |
| 03:08.01 | mrnull | freeshadow yeah, rj45 to the modem |
| 03:08.09 | g4lt | actually, i misspoke, fuck yourself |
| 03:08.18 | Freeshadow | right so u wont have no firmware probs |
| 03:08.19 | regeya_ | o_O |
| 03:08.22 | bluefox83 | g4lt, did you look at the weblink i posted? |
| 03:08.40 | regeya_ | such charming folks... |
| 03:08.43 | mrnull | freeshadow chances are the rescue disk (and driver discs) will find it? |
| 03:08.53 | g4lt | bluefox83 what part of "fuck yourself" implies I'm interested in talking to you at all? |
| 03:09.08 | veget | can kaffe be used as a mozilla plugin? is there another free java implementation that can? |
| 03:09.18 | bluefox83 | the bit before you said that implied you had some semblance of interest in helping me.. |
| 03:09.21 | Freeshadow | mrnull, when installing keep an eye open 4 modules named rltsomething |
| 03:09.40 | regeya | g4lt, eaten any good books lately? |
| 03:09.44 | g4lt | bluefox83 what the part where you said you weren't going to take my advice |
| 03:09.48 | bluefox83 | i wanted you to see what i was installing before you told me to do somethign that wont work |
| 03:09.57 | cujillo | anyone knows how to install courrier ? |
| 03:10.07 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: What's wrong now? |
| 03:10.10 | mrnull | freeshadow ok. I'll search "net" when I configure. Thanks man |
| 03:10.13 | g4lt | cujillo surprisingly, apt-get install courier works |
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| 03:10.55 | bluefox83 | thomas_adam, i'm trying to build gaim-vv into a deb file, along with the things it requires (it's NOT gaim, it's a fork of that project, and downloading the dependents wont work since they aren't in apt yet either) |
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| 03:11.03 | Freeshadow | g4lt, bluefox83said he wont do a "gaim" builddep so it was right when pointing to this -vv version |
| 03:11.35 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: So? |
| 03:11.38 | bluefox83 | look --> http://gaim-vv.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:11.39 | sjtu | A perl script say Can't locate Tk/Getopt.pm, what's need to install in sid? |
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| 03:12.00 | bluefox83 | so i'm having trouble doing it.. |
| 03:12.24 | bluefox83 | how do i build it into a .deb (i am not interested in being a package maintainer) |
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| 03:12.32 | thomas_adam | bluefox83: /msg dpkg mg |
| 03:12.34 | _Diesel_ | hi |
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| 03:12.58 | thomas_adam | !+find Tk/Getopt.pm |
| 03:13.05 | _Diesel_ | im plannign to install Debian 3.0r2, which cd do u recommend I install out of the 7 cds? |
| 03:13.11 | _Diesel_ | planning* |
| 03:13.14 | sjtu | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 03:13.14 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'Tk/Getopt.pm' returned no results. |
| 03:13.19 | thomas_adam | _Diesel_: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 03:13.20 | jms | Do these two lines in dmesg mean 6 channel audio won't work? i810_audio: Audio Controller supports 6 channels. |
| 03:13.20 | jms | i810_audio: Defaulting to base 2 channel mode. |
| 03:13.25 | thomas_adam | !+find Getopt.pm |
| 03:13.25 | Fluten | is reiserfs to the point where its good enough to use? |
| 03:13.27 | bluefox83 | i don't want the maintenance guide...grrrr |
| 03:13.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'Getopt.pm' (4 shown; 6 total): (/usr/share/perl5/Cz/Cstocs/Getopt.pm) in text/cstocs ;; (/usr/share/perl5/AppConfig/Getopt.pm) in perl/libappconfig-perl ;; (/usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper/Dh_Getopt.pm) in devel/debhelper ;; (/usr/lib/pike/7.6.11/lib/modules/Getopt.pmod, /usr/share/pike/7.6.11/lib/modules/Getopt.pmod) in interpreters/pike7.6-core. |
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| 03:13.40 | jms | Why wold it dfault to two channels? |
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| 03:14.14 | paulproteus | Fluten: I suggest XFS instead. |
| 03:14.26 | Fluten | paulproteus, whats good about XFS? |
| 03:14.27 | tempo_ | what application can open a .sig file? |
| 03:14.33 | paulproteus | Reiser4 fixes many mistakes made in ReiserFS, but Reiser4 is a few months before prime-time. |
| 03:14.37 | helix | a text editor |
| 03:14.37 | thomas_adam | tempo_: vim |
| 03:14.43 | rich_ | Fluten I agree with paulproteus. xfs |
| 03:14.52 | Fluten | xfs better than ext3? |
| 03:15.00 | thomas_adam | Fluten: /msg dpkg better |
| 03:15.00 | tempo_ | thomas_adam: i think it's an image file |
| 03:15.01 | paulproteus | Fluten: It's journaling, high-performance, and unlike reiserfs handles disk errors fairly well. |
| 03:15.02 | helix | hasn't reiser4 been a few months before primetime for a while now? |
| 03:15.11 | thomas_adam | tempo_: What does 'file' say about it? |
| 03:15.13 | paulproteus | helix: Well, I'm actually considering moving to it myself. |
| 03:15.18 | g4lt | helix a few months, at any rate ;P |
| 03:15.25 | helix | paulproteus: you have no love for your data |
| 03:15.25 | thomas_adam | helix: Yes, but it is mby no means considered useable. |
| 03:15.35 | paulproteus | "But I'll use RAID 1!" ;) |
| 03:15.50 | helix | will reiser4 have a proper fsck? |
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| 03:15.52 | tempo_ | thomas_adam: it says a microsoft office doc. but i know it is not that one |
| 03:15.56 | paulproteus | I just plan on using on my laptop, which only has temporary data; real data gets pushed over to a server somewhere. |
| 03:15.57 | Elopa | debian's fast on amd64!! |
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| 03:16.11 | thomas_adam | tempo_: if it is an image file, use 'zgv' or somesuch. |
| 03:16.13 | paulproteus | Elopa: It's probably your hard drive, not your CPU ;) |
| 03:16.13 | tempo_ | thomas_adam: i tried to open it using open office.. that did not work |
| 03:16.30 | helix | tempo_: so you have a sig that says it's a .doc, but isn't |
| 03:16.33 | helix | and you still want to open it |
| 03:16.35 | helix | why? |
| 03:16.35 | rich_ | Fluten the advantage is speed. xfs seems to cache and Ive heard it puts the most frequently used files in the fastest disk sectors. But to do this it has a little extra overhead. I think its worth it |
| 03:16.54 | Fluten | rich_, its on a nfs server, so would it really help? |
| 03:17.02 | g4lt | tempo_ do me a favor, run file on it |
| 03:17.04 | paulproteus | I'm off, ciao all :) |
| 03:17.08 | Fluten | i already seem to never get more than 2MB/sec |
| 03:17.17 | thomas_adam | g4lt: He did: < tempo_> | thomas_adam: it says a microsoft office doc. but i know it is not that one |
| 03:17.25 | rich_ | Fluten dont see why not. |
| 03:17.25 | _Diesel_ | no one knows which of the 7 cds of debian 3.0 is best to install? |
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| 03:17.57 | thomas_adam | g4lt: whether he chose the right file or not, is another question. :) |
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| 03:18.00 | ubb | diesel, just get the first two |
| 03:18.01 | rich_ | _Diesel_ Its best to install from the network and Ive only done it with floppies. It takes 7 floppies |
| 03:18.06 | ubb | ignore the rest |
| 03:18.11 | numist | how would one include the day as part of a crontab command? (I want to include date +"%Y.%m.%d" as part of a filename) |
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| 03:18.28 | thomas_adam | numist: escape the %'s to \% |
| 03:18.38 | rich_ | _Diesel_ I heard that the most frequently used packages are on the lowest numbered cds. |
| 03:18.42 | paulproteus | numist: You want to read the Advanced BASH Scripting HOWTO. |
| 03:18.43 | numist | thomas_adam: thats it? |
| 03:18.53 | paulproteus | Pay attention to the discussion on backticks. |
| 03:18.54 | thomas_adam | numist: That's it. |
| 03:18.55 | g4lt | tempo_ just out of curiosity, why are you trying to open someone else's .signature file? |
| 03:19.05 | numist | paulproteus: where is the howto? |
| 03:19.10 | helix | "curiosity killed the cat" |
| 03:19.10 | _Diesel_ | rich_ I tried installing the first cd but it wouldnt load |
| 03:19.10 | paulproteus | Google it ;) |
| 03:19.12 | thomas_adam | numist: tldp.org |
| 03:19.14 | numist | thanks guys |
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| 03:19.17 | paulproteus | It's part of the Linux Documentation Project, TLDP. |
| 03:19.27 | g4lt | helix me-bloody-ow |
| 03:19.42 | rich_ | _Diesel_ that woiuld make it hard to try the second one |
| 03:19.42 | Elopa | played around with a usb thumb drive today, the autodetection in linux is nice. |
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| 03:19.50 | Elopa | but the throughput on 2.4.x kernels is pretty poopy. |
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| 03:20.09 | helix | that's a lot of lives |
| 03:20.09 | debian | thomas_adam: it must be hell lots of fur everywhere. :) |
| 03:20.10 | g4lt | thomas_adam we don't want to know what's in your toybox ;P |
| 03:20.16 | _Diesel_ | no rich_, i mean that Debian wouldnt load |
| 03:20.20 | thomas_adam | g4lt: heh. |
| 03:20.24 | rich_ | _Diesel_ What I think you might need to do is get a boot kernel that matches your hardware |
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| 03:20.45 | hexagonsun | okay... say I'm unhappy with my current distro |
| 03:20.48 | thomas_adam | debian: Four are domesticated, five are feral. |
| 03:21.06 | Oatmeat | ok I have apache2 installed and mod_perl with it |
| 03:21.07 | rich_ | _Diesel_ Are you sure you burned the cd correctly? Bootable? |
| 03:21.08 | hexagonsun | it looks like crap, has a dumbass package manager, etc. |
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| 03:21.15 | Oatmeat | but when I open a .cgi file over the web, it just opens it up as text |
| 03:21.16 | hexagonsun | but I have files on this here box... |
| 03:21.16 | _Diesel_ | it is |
| 03:21.23 | thomas_adam | hexagonsun: Get to the point. |
| 03:21.26 | hexagonsun | how do I install a new distro, but keep the files? |
| 03:21.33 | thomas_adam | hexagonsun: debtakeover |
| 03:21.33 | _Diesel_ | just that Debian wont load after i install it |
| 03:21.38 | debian | thomas_adam: do they form gangs? :) |
| 03:21.44 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to manually delete rdiff-backup's backed up data? |
| 03:21.46 | hexagonsun | thomas, is it on the mepis CD? |
| 03:21.47 | Xenguy | hexagonsun: data files, or ... ? |
| 03:21.47 | thomas_adam | debian: I don't think so. |
| 03:21.55 | hexagonsun | data. uh, movies. |
| 03:21.55 | lucas | hexagonsun: or move your "files" to /home, then install debian over the top keeping the /home partition |
| 03:21.56 | thomas_adam | !+debtakeover |
| 03:21.56 | dpkg | Debian Takeover, the next phase of Debian World Domination, is a script that will substitute Debian for any running GNU/Linux distribution available at http://www.hadrons.org/~guillem/debian/debtakeover/. You too can banish metoo, dead rat, crackware, mandreck and Sue.M.E. to the bit bin. |
| 03:21.57 | g4lt | kingsley rm? ;P |
| 03:22.09 | hexagonsun | WOO |
| 03:22.16 | hexagonsun | good. mandrake sucks donkey balls. |
| 03:22.21 | rich_ | _Diesel_ Is the cd on yoru computer normally bootable? Sometimes you have to go into a pre-boot menu to select it? |
| 03:22.39 | rich_ | _Diesel_ Oh, so it does install? |
| 03:22.44 | _Diesel_ | u dont understand |
| 03:22.50 | _Diesel_ | yeah it does |
| 03:22.56 | _Diesel_ | but just wont load after |
| 03:23.15 | _Diesel_ | the blinking cursor just moves down a line and stays there |
| 03:23.23 | rich_ | _Diesel_ Ok, in that case its probably a module you didnt load when you selected modules or a package that you didnt install. |
| 03:23.26 | Freeshadow | thomas_adam, i still wait for some entry this bot misses :D |
| 03:23.27 | hexagonsun | ...any of you know about the ATI Radeon IGP 320? |
| 03:23.39 | Fluten | so if i use reiser, could i have data loss? |
| 03:23.42 | thomas_adam | Freeshadow: His database is well stocked. :) |
| 03:23.43 | _Diesel_ | Is there a way to install Debian without installing each module separately? |
| 03:23.51 | g4lt | radeon IGPs and linux arent very friendly.... |
| 03:23.58 | thomas_adam | _Diesel_: Module> |
| 03:24.02 | Freeshadow | thomas_adam, how to browse ts index? |
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| 03:24.07 | cujillo | how can i update my debian to stable ? |
| 03:24.16 | hexagonsun | g4lt- yeah, but it's all I've got... it took me weeks to get a distro running on it |
| 03:24.16 | thomas_adam | Freeshadow: /msg dpkg listkeys 'keyword' |
| 03:24.25 | _Diesel_ | where do i enter that thomas_adam? |
| 03:24.25 | rich_ | _Diesel_ I think theres a way to save the modules that you have installed and tell the install program to use them when your installing. |
| 03:24.37 | Oatmeat | is there something else I have to do to enable cgi/perl scripts to ruN? |
| 03:24.43 | thomas_adam | _Diesel_: It was a question. |
| 03:24.44 | regeya | o_O |
| 03:24.54 | thomas_adam | _Diesel_: What module? Your teminology sux0rs. |
| 03:24.58 | g4lt | mein gott! I've never heard of someone that's neede to UPDATE to stable this late in the cycle |
| 03:25.01 | thomas_adam | _Diesel_: Just like my typing. |
| 03:25.30 | g4lt | cujillo what are you running now? |
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| 03:25.38 | cujillo | yup woody stable |
| 03:25.44 | _Diesel_ | I mean, when installing Debian, instead of loading all the modules, I want Debian to install them for me because it takes a long time |
| 03:25.55 | cujillo | im runing knoppix 3.4 installed on hd |
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| 03:25.59 | g4lt | !wayttd cujillo |
| 03:26.00 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, cujillo? |
| 03:26.03 | thomas_adam | _Diesel_: I have no idea what you're on about. |
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| 03:26.08 | _Diesel_ | uhhhh |
| 03:26.09 | g4lt | oh |
| 03:26.20 | cujillo | its a debian |
| 03:26.29 | cujillo | i want to update it |
| 03:26.34 | hexagonsun | ...what channel could I go bother about my shite IGP problems? |
| 03:26.39 | cujillo | to woody |
| 03:26.43 | cujillo | stable |
| 03:26.45 | thomas_adam | hexagonsun: Ask here. |
| 03:26.49 | g4lt | cujillo edit /etc/apt/sources.list, put in Debian sources then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 03:26.57 | rich_ | _Diesel_ No. But you cfan just save the modules you need on some other media and instead of re choosing them next time, just tell it to get the modules from the other media |
| 03:27.01 | g4lt | hexagonsun #ati may help |
| 03:27.13 | hexagonsun | um... how do I get it to not look like mongoose anus without having to compile my own g-d-mn kernel? |
| 03:27.24 | thomas_adam | hexagonsun: Close your eyes? |
| 03:27.29 | cujillo | from where do i get the debian sources ? |
| 03:27.34 | cujillo | the list |
| 03:27.37 | thomas_adam | cujillo: The internet. |
| 03:27.39 | _Diesel_ | i dont know how to install modules such as agp support or stuff like that (the ones that dont autoprobe) |
| 03:27.44 | cujillo | ok |
| 03:28.11 | thomas_adam | cujillo: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 03:28.24 | hexagonsun | g4lt, it was a correspondance course |
| 03:28.26 | Xenguy | thomas_adam: whatever happened to apt-setup ? |
| 03:28.34 | g4lt | cujillo ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt |
| 03:28.36 | thomas_adam | Xenguy: It is still there. |
| 03:28.48 | thomas_adam | !Thomas ideals |
| 03:28.48 | dpkg | TMTOWTDI, YMMV, HTH, YHBT, HAND. |
| 03:28.53 | thomas_adam | Xenguy: ^ |
| 03:29.32 | jms | This place needs more cowbell |
| 03:29.34 | Xenguy | thomas_adam: ahh, base-config |
| 03:29.41 | hexagonsun | who wants to tell me why I hate mandrake so much |
| 03:29.43 | thomas_adam | Xenguy: Correct. |
| 03:29.54 | hexagonsun | because I'm not enjoying using it: but what makes it so damn bad? |
| 03:30.02 | thomas_adam | jms: I like brown-swiss cows. They're pretty. |
| 03:30.05 | Xenguy | cujillo: so try 'apt-setup', see if that works |
| 03:30.09 | g4lt | jms a local radio station is [ab]using that riff, you really want to die, don't you? ;P |
| 03:30.14 | cujillo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.19 | thomas_adam | Xenguy: No need. The factoid I pointed him to says it all. |
| 03:30.56 | Xenguy | thomas_adam: true, but it mentions several different approaches :-) |
| 03:31.15 | thomas_adam | Xenguy: And that's a good thing (see dpkg's response, above). |
| 03:31.33 | hexagonsun | so, um... is mepis good? |
| 03:31.48 | Xenguy | thomas_adam: OK - I say try the easiest first and go from there - YMMV :-) |
| 03:32.06 | *** part/#debian _Diesel_ (~linux@69.158.22.60) |
| 03:32.08 | Xenguy | thomas_adam: (being a lazy debianista ;-) |
| 03:32.12 | *** part/#debian baloo (baloo@c-67-170-161-167.client.comcast.net) |
| 03:32.21 | thomas_adam | hexagonsun: No. |
| 03:32.34 | thomas_adam | hexagonsun: Please, try debtakeover, or install from scratch. |
| 03:32.54 | jms | Sorry, a friend sent me that clip and I lost myself now that I can finally play sound through my speakers. still looking for s/pdif info..... |
| 03:32.56 | Xenguy | hexagonsun: if I can't 'apt-get search' it, then I say no ;-) |
| 03:33.13 | thomas_adam | Xenguy: apt-cache search |
| 03:33.19 | hexagonsun | Xenguy- can you not do that with mepis? I KNOW YOU CAN'T WITH MANDRAKE |
| 03:33.22 | Xenguy | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 03:33.31 | thomas_adam | hexagonsun: So get rid of it. |
| 03:33.45 | hexagonsun | I'm working on it... |
| 03:33.53 | *** join/#debian jazzmans (~arthur@ip68-224-7-31.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 03:34.05 | Xenguy | hexagonsun: I've never even heard of mepis - I just joking around |
| 03:34.21 | thomas_adam | hexagonsun: debtakeover. Or maybe you haven't been listening... |
| 03:34.25 | sussudio | !whine |
| 03:34.25 | dpkg | i guess whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |