| 00:00.00 | space_cow_boy | T_VoiD so how do I build or install a local caching name server? |
| 00:00.10 | speedviper02 | caspercba2: no i did not want to download all 6 or so of them |
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| 00:00.15 | cafuego | g4lt: I get annoyed with them and try to break them with my fists |
| 00:00.17 | Xenguy | DaedalusX: looks like SID's latest version of FF is 0.9.3-2.2 |
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| 00:00.33 | T_VoiD | space_cow_boy: apt-get install cantrememberwhichpackage #you'd better be running debian asking here :p |
| 00:00.39 | Xenguy | DaedalusX: I'm not tracking testing, but you could check 'packages.debian.org' |
| 00:00.41 | DaedalusX | well when I do apt-get install mozilla-firefox all I get is 0.8 |
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| 00:00.59 | Xenguy | DaedalusX: and you did 'apt-get update' first, yes? |
| 00:01.03 | DaedalusX | anyway I could install another package |
| 00:01.04 | DaedalusX | yes |
| 00:01.05 | deadcat | DaedalusX: thats the latest for testing. |
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| 00:01.12 | Xenguy | DaedalusX: there ya go |
| 00:01.13 | T_VoiD | DaedalusX: on the gateway of course |
| 00:01.14 | ubb | daedalus, so just get the package from firefox official site |
| 00:01.19 | space_cow_boy | T_VoiD haha, yes I am running debian. So you want to to apt-cache search cantrememberwhichpackage? lol |
| 00:01.20 | T_VoiD | DaedalusX: rahh misstell never mind |
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| 00:01.21 | caspercba2 | speedviper02: it's only one i think, 100mb, only for installer. the rest of the process is from the net |
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| 00:01.25 | LSorense | ubb: they have .deb's? |
| 00:01.29 | astronut | Can you set MTU via DHCP? |
| 00:01.34 | speedviper02 | caspercba2: thats what i jest did |
| 00:01.37 | ubb | no |
| 00:01.38 | T_VoiD | space_cow_boy: on the router. it's surely "bind" |
| 00:01.39 | speedviper02 | caspercba2:im on it now |
| 00:01.43 | speedviper02 | caspercba2: the netinstall |
| 00:01.47 | LSorense | ubb: then why would any sane person get it from there? |
| 00:01.50 | T_VoiD | space_cow_boy: so apt-cache search bind |
| 00:02.02 | norton | nobody knows? |
| 00:02.05 | space_cow_boy | T_VoiD ok |
| 00:02.07 | ubb | it still works |
| 00:02.24 | speedviper02 | caspercba2: should i keep the kernel i have now or will it be slow |
| 00:02.26 | LSorense | ubb: but it's not nicely packaged and installed properly |
| 00:02.34 | LSorense | ubb: it's messy and sloppy |
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| 00:03.05 | niktaris | Thanks all for the answer, will try |
| 00:03.05 | DoppelGanger | http://www.linuxbeta.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=59&slide=1 |
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| 00:03.20 | afcpack | ubb: 'go to (site) and download' is windows-type thinking |
| 00:03.27 | caspercba2 | speedviper02: change to #linuxbeginner, i'm going there |
| 00:03.31 | LSorense | and part of why windows breaks so much |
| 00:03.34 | speedviper02 | ok |
| 00:03.39 | LSorense | people get dll's from all over |
| 00:04.25 | ubb | well, I use the package from mozilla site because the one I use on deb archive doesn't work |
| 00:04.31 | afcpack | LSorense: have you read http://www.whiprush.org/2004/08/aha_proof_were_.html ? |
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| 00:05.31 | LSorense | afcpack: nope |
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| 00:06.00 | afcpack | interesting rant about packaging and that windows-type thinking ppl should get out of |
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| 00:06.32 | Pred1 | !find dpkg-source |
| 00:06.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'dpkg-source' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/dpkg-source) in utils/dpkg-dev. |
| 00:06.43 | thomas_adam | Pred1: dpkg-dev |
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| 00:07.29 | muadibas | Can anyone help me please? |
| 00:07.36 | thomas_adam | !tell muadibas about ask |
| 00:07.52 | Cosmo` | does anyone know why my SSH sessions into my Debian machine keep freezing for a few seconds every 10 seconds or so ? |
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| 00:09.14 | thomas_adam | Cosmo`: check your logs. |
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| 00:11.00 | carrett | cafuego: sorry, but how do i make certificate? |
| 00:11.01 | Cosmo` | which ones ? |
| 00:11.08 | Cosmo` | sorry thomas_adam but i'm quite new to this |
| 00:11.37 | cafuego | carrett: Google will tell you :-) |
| 00:11.48 | g4lt | carrett usually, you get a nice piece of vellum, letter it with your best calligraphy, then frame it and present it |
| 00:12.01 | carrett | g4lt: how much do you hate me? |
| 00:12.27 | thomas_adam | Cosmo`: No worries. /var/log/messages |
| 00:12.30 | g4lt | good god, leading with your nut sack? |
| 00:12.58 | whitefox | night night everyone |
| 00:13.30 | ubb | is there a way to mainpute deb menu config so it adds a divider somewhere in the list? |
| 00:13.39 | Cosmo` | ok thomas_adam, i'll have a look |
| 00:13.42 | g4lt | carrett you may rest assured, this is how I treat people I LIKE. |
| 00:13.58 | thomas_adam | Cosmo`: are you ssh'ing in from an xterm, say? |
| 00:13.58 | muadibas | I have an SBLive! and I want to make a joystick attached to it to work. I am new to Linux... |
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| 00:14.14 | Cosmo` | i'm sshing in from here (windows machine) to my Debian box which is currently headless |
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| 00:14.28 | g4lt | muadibas what kernel? |
| 00:14.30 | carrett | g4lt: oh. ok, well i guess i'll get used to it. sorry |
| 00:14.39 | carrett | i know my questions can be annoying |
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| 00:15.18 | thomas_adam | Cosmo`: Right, well on one ssh, login and run the command "tail -f /var/log/messages", then login again via ssh and do what you usually do. Then if it freezes, look at the screen that has "tail" running in it for clues. |
| 00:15.31 | Cosmo` | ah fantastic ... i should have though of that |
| 00:15.35 | Cosmo` | i know how to use the tail command |
| 00:15.46 | Cosmo` | (one of the only things i DO know how to use ;) ) |
| 00:16.10 | Cosmo` | i think i see why |
| 00:16.15 | Cosmo` | it keeps trying to look for a keyboard |
| 00:17.23 | Cosmo` | Aug 25 02:17:16 Shodan kernel: keyboard: Timeout - AT keyboard not present?(f3) |
| 00:17.23 | Cosmo` | Aug 25 02:17:16 Shodan kernel: keyboard: Timeout - AT keyboard not present?(f4) |
| 00:17.23 | Cosmo` | Aug 25 02:17:23 Shodan kernel: mtrr: 0xe4000000,0x2000000 overlaps existing 0xe4000000,0x1000000 |
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| 00:18.48 | thomas_adam | Cosmo`: Don't paste in here -- paste in #flood |
| 00:18.55 | Cosmo` | oh bugger sorry m8 ... |
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| 00:19.19 | jdrake | how can I get a mount to be accessible from a regular user account? |
| 00:19.21 | thomas_adam | Don't worry. |
| 00:19.27 | thomas_adam | jdrake: man mount |
| 00:19.32 | cafuego | jdrake: man mount, see 'umask' and 'gid'. |
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| 00:19.50 | Cosmo` | are you in #flood ? i cant see you there |
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| 00:20.03 | thomas_adam | Cosmo`: Yes. |
| 00:20.13 | Cosmo` | ah there you are :) |
| 00:20.24 | norton | I want to try out fetchmail to get mail from a IMAP server, instead of logging in everytime. Do I need some MTA or something, or does it just put my mail in the mail spool dir? |
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| 00:21.06 | thomas_adam | norton: http://www.catb.org/~esr/fetchmail/ |
| 00:21.24 | norton | ok |
| 00:22.30 | fat``away | hm, after upgrading to testing, my kdm doesn't run like what it used to |
| 00:22.45 | fat``away | it now has the same background.. but looks like fluxbox |
| 00:22.50 | fat``away | is there a reason why this happened? |
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| 00:24.01 | zbowling | ok.. i need some help... |
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| 00:24.17 | thomas_adam | fat``away: #debian-kde |
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| 00:24.23 | thomas_adam | zbowling: /msg dpkg ask |
| 00:24.29 | fat``away | thx |
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| 00:24.29 | zyglotron | Hi guyz ! |
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| 00:25.34 | daedX | I need to install my wireless drivers (centrino ipw2100) and firmware but debian doesnt come with the kernel source, what can I do? .. I really don't want to recompile my kernel .. |
| 00:26.13 | Wyzard | daedX: If you just need the kernel headers for the purpose of compiling the wireless driver, and you don't need to recompile the kernel itself, get one of the "kernel-headers" packages |
| 00:26.23 | daedX | how? |
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| 00:26.31 | jdrake | i setup the mount with umask=777 and it mounts it with --xr--r-- instead. I do have the ro option so it doesn't write to it, but otherwise I don't see why it is doing it |
| 00:26.41 | Wyzard | daedX: "apt-get install", or whatever means you normally use to install packages |
| 00:26.54 | jdrake | I still get an access denied when trying to list something on it from user level |
| 00:26.55 | daedX | That doesnt make sense |
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| 00:27.01 | Wyzard | daedX: Each pre-built kernel-image package (which is what you're probably using if you didn't compile your own kernel) has a corresponding kernel-headers package |
| 00:27.09 | thomas_adam | jdrake: What are you trying to do? |
| 00:27.09 | daedX | Ok |
| 00:27.10 | sheyz | Quick Question, on the debian install from CD, how do I choose to partition with ext3 and not ext2? |
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| 00:27.15 | daedX | I'm using 2.6.7 |
| 00:27.16 | zbowling | i bet this is an easy problem to fix.. i have my debian running on my main drive and it was working great until i need to update my kernal. i didn't need to patch anything and compile for my self so i just used apt-get and got the latest 2.6 kernal, i walked away and when i came back it had rebooted and i'm getting an error... right now i'm knoppix, so is their a way from here to replace the kernal? i have the drives mounted, but i'm just not that experienced |
| 00:27.30 | daedX | What would be the package to apt-get? |
| 00:27.31 | thomas_adam | sheyz: It doesn't matter -- you can convert easily enough between the two. |
| 00:27.31 | zyglotron | need some help here. Problem with a site timeouting with sarge/sid wathever browser I use... need to know if its just local or general problem... ready to help ? |
| 00:27.33 | simmerz | is it possible to boot to a raid device without using an initrd image? |
| 00:27.43 | sheyz | thomas_adam: thanks |
| 00:27.44 | Wyzard | daedX: apt-cache search kernel-headers |
| 00:27.56 | Wyzard | daedX: Find the one that corresponds to the kernel-image package you installed previously |
| 00:28.46 | Guerin | zyglotron: which server? |
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| 00:29.06 | daedX | doesnt wor |
| 00:29.09 | daedX | doesnt work |
| 00:29.14 | thomas_adam | daedX: Sigh. |
| 00:29.16 | zyglotron | Guerin: www.sden.org |
| 00:29.20 | daedX | I can apt-get install the kernel headers |
| 00:29.33 | daedX | but when I make my ipw2100 drivers is doesnt work |
| 00:29.49 | Guerin | zyglotron: try an official mirror |
| 00:29.56 | Guerin | !mirrors |
| 00:29.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, mirrors is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
| 00:30.49 | zyglotron | Not a debian site guyz... just trying to find if it's a debian bug as it works with other distros :) |
| 00:31.00 | Guerin | zyglotron: wtf? |
| 00:31.12 | daedX | any ideas? |
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| 00:31.51 | Guerin | zyglotron: works for me, got some boring elf pr0n on the frontpage |
| 00:32.29 | Guerin | zyglotron: why would a debian browser not work with just one particular site, and wtf do you mean by "not work" anyway |
| 00:32.32 | Guerin | ? |
| 00:32.48 | Cosmo` | can anyone tell me how i stop X from initialising ? i intend to use the machine headless so only want X initialising within VNC |
| 00:32.51 | zyglotron | Guerin : Thanks a lot, that's just what I was looking for... knowing if it works for other user. Not working = 503 error |
| 00:33.16 | zyglotron | Guerin: seems to be only a local problem not a distro bug. |
| 00:34.10 | zyglotron | Guerin: using a proxy ? |
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| 00:34.34 | simmerz | can anyone help me with setting up my raid? I can't get grub to boot from my raid device |
| 00:34.53 | Guerin | zyglotron: no. 503 is a gateway timeout error. |
| 00:35.06 | Guerin | http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/HTRESP.html |
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| 00:35.29 | Guerin | zyglotron: sound slike your proxy is either misconfigured or overloaded. |
| 00:36.18 | daedX | Sight ... why does apt-get refuse to install some packages because of unmet dependencies ... I can't even install nessus |
| 00:36.36 | nailbiter | Cosmo`: you want to prevent your display manager from starting at boot time? /msg dpkg nodm |
| 00:36.39 | zyglotron | Guerin: got no proxy... same problem for a friend in another town... with my provider proxy it works... |
| 00:36.53 | kwdy | hello, I can't seem to get my desktop any larger then 800x600. |
| 00:37.00 | Guerin | daedX: you need to fix broken deps before you can use apt |
| 00:37.09 | Wyzard | daedX: "apt-get install nessus" doesn't give me any complaints... it wants to pull in libgd-gif1 and libnessus2 as dependencies, and has no problem with doing that |
| 00:37.34 | daedX | when my apt-get tells me it wont install libnessus2 |
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| 00:37.39 | Guerin | zyglotron: perhaps your isp has a transparent proxy? |
| 00:37.53 | Wyzard | daedX: Then say "apt-get install libnessus2" and it'll tell you why it can't |
| 00:37.53 | zyglotron | Guerin: and only the debians have this problem... have tried a knoppix and an old win98 and it works... I'll try to fix it later, thanks a lot for your help |
| 00:38.05 | Guerin | daedX: try apt-get install hello - does that work? |
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| 00:38.36 | Guerin | zyglotron: well, given that that's not a client-side error, I can't think why client OS would matter... |
| 00:38.46 | Cosmo` | i dont want to completely remove them i just want to stop X starting at boot time ... i still need X for VNC |
| 00:38.58 | daedX | I did apt-get -f install seems everyone okay now |
| 00:39.12 | Guerin | Cosmo`: did you follow the instructions ? |
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| 00:39.36 | Cosmo` | i dunno it worries me a bit ... i dont really want to remove anything incase i decide to put the monitor back on the machine |
| 00:40.00 | kwdy | I'm trying to install the drivers for my AT Radeon 9600SE card, its an RPM how would I install under debian? |
| 00:40.12 | kwdy | ATI even |
| 00:40.15 | zyglotron | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:40.23 | Guerin | Cosmo`: ffs, just follow the instructions in /msg dpkg nodm |
| 00:40.33 | Guerin | Cosmo`: you can change it again at any time |
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| 00:40.59 | Cosmo` | ok ... sorry i'm new to all this Guerin ... got a bit worried by the fact that i was removing stuff lol |
| 00:41.26 | Guerin | zyglotron: and you're not behind your own proxy? |
| 00:42.07 | zyglotron | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:42.30 | Guerin | zyglotron: well, where does that data end up, then? What eats it instead of the browser? |
| 00:42.30 | nailbiter | Cosmo`: well, you're not necessarily even removing packages. :) ">/etc/X11/default-display-manager", for example, should prevent the display manager from starting. |
| 00:42.42 | nashirak | Dumb question but whats a good program to play midi files under linux? |
| 00:42.49 | Guerin | Cosmo`: if you read the thing, you'll see you don't NEED to remove anything |
| 00:42.56 | zyglotron | Guerin: I will check deeper tomorrow... thanks a lot, I now know that it's not a sarge or sid problem. |
| 00:43.01 | Guerin | ehh, what nailbiter said |
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| 00:43.13 | Guerin | zyglotron: have fun :P |
| 00:43.20 | daedX | okay .. WTF! I download kernel source from kernel.org, unpack it in /usr/src/ make ln -s linux-2.6.... linux cd into linux/ then make menuconfig and BAM error in scripts/basic/fixdep.c |
| 00:43.41 | Guerin | !bam error |
| 00:43.42 | zyglotron | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.53 | Guerin | sorry, never seen a BAM error before |
| 00:44.17 | daedX | fuck im no linux genius, but when I was running slackware 10 I could compile my drivers and my fucking kernel |
| 00:44.22 | zbowling | where is the default location where the kernal is stored on debian? |
| 00:44.29 | zyglotron | Thanks guyz, Bye ! |
| 00:44.34 | Guerin | daedX: got build-essential? |
| 00:44.46 | Guerin | zbowling: /boot |
| 00:44.53 | zbowling | duh.. thanks |
| 00:44.54 | Cosmo` | i'm really confused by this ... dont worry |
| 00:44.55 | daedX | whats build-essential? |
| 00:44.56 | Cosmo` | thanks anyway |
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| 00:45.08 | jetscreamer | what you need, maybe |
| 00:45.13 | Guerin | daedX: it's the essential stuff you need to build anything |
| 00:45.19 | daedX | downloadinf atm |
| 00:45.22 | nailbiter | daedX: it's a metapackage that pulls in whatever you need to compile simple C and C++ programs. |
| 00:45.28 | daedX | damn ... |
| 00:45.38 | nailbiter | deadsmith: you might also need 'libncurses-dev', for 'make menuconfig' to work. |
| 00:45.47 | Guerin | daedX: to make menuconfig you'll also need libncurses5-dev |
| 00:45.51 | Guerin | eh |
| 00:45.53 | Guerin | wtf |
| 00:45.58 | nailbiter | deadsmith: oops .. wrong guy. :) |
| 00:46.02 | daedX | thank |
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| 00:46.07 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.20 | jayme | jetscreamer: octet |
| 00:46.24 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 00:47.13 | daedX | other important/vital packages I might need? |
| 00:47.35 | Guerin | daedX: kernel-package ... /msg dpkg kp |
| 00:48.07 | kwdy | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process <-- what does this mean? |
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| 00:48.12 | dpkg | kwdy: okay |
| 00:48.43 | Guerin | !forget status database area |
| 00:48.43 | dpkg | Guerin: i didn't have anything called 'status database area' |
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| 00:48.53 | kwdy | sorry :( |
| 00:49.03 | nailbiter | kwdy: it means you might be running another instance of 'apt-get' or 'dpkg' somewhere else. do a 'fuser -v /var/lib/dpkg/lock' to see who. |
| 00:49.03 | Guerin | !listkeys status database |
| 00:49.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'status database' by key returned no results. |
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| 00:49.10 | nailbiter | Guerin: i deleted it. :) |
| 00:49.10 | Guerin | weird |
| 00:49.13 | Guerin | ah |
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| 00:49.36 | nailbiter | Guerin: sorry .. should have said so. :) |
| 00:49.47 | Guerin | nailbiter: damn you and your swift fingers :P |
| 00:49.57 | sth_ | what's the current status on the sarge freeze? will gimp 2.0 make it? |
| 00:50.37 | kwdy | says aptitude it still running but I thought I had quit out of it |
| 00:51.06 | simmerz | if i am using mdadm for my raid setup, i don't need to put a config in /etc/raidtab, do i? |
| 00:52.18 | peterS | simmerz: you don't have to, no |
| 00:52.28 | nailbiter | simmerz: well, mdadm uses /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf instead. :) you only need it if your raid devices aren't started by your kernel or your initrd. |
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| 00:53.19 | kwdy | how would I kill the aptitude process considering I have quit using the program? |
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| 00:53.48 | ubb | kwdy, kill (proc #) |
| 00:53.56 | ubb | as root |
| 00:53.58 | nailbiter | kwdy: 'pkill -f aptitude'. alternately, 'fuser -kv /var/lib/dpkg/lock' to kill whichever process is locking the dpkg status database. |
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| 00:54.17 | kwdy | ok |
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| 00:55.14 | daedX | I have installed my kernel-headers, build-essentials, gcc & make, and I still get the same error when trying to compile the ipw2100 drivers |
| 00:55.16 | fat``away | hm, after upgrading to unstable, my g++ still only has version 3.0 and 2.9 |
| 00:55.24 | fat``away | is there a package for g++ 3.3? |
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| 00:55.39 | nailbiter | fat``away: yes, it's 'g++-3.3'. |
| 00:56.28 | fat``away | ah sweet, thanks |
| 00:56.35 | fat``away | does it exist in stable woody version? |
| 00:57.09 | nailbiter | daedX: did you set KSRC and KVER before running 'make' in the ipw2100 directory? |
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| 00:57.15 | nashirak | Does anyone know how to play midi's under Linux? |
| 00:57.23 | daedX | nailbiter: No, what valjues |
| 00:57.24 | nailbiter | fat``away: no -- you might have to hunt for a backport instead. |
| 00:57.25 | daedX | nailbiter: No, what valjues |
| 00:57.27 | fat``away | xmms should play it |
| 00:57.29 | daedX | nailbiter: No, what values I should set? |
| 00:57.34 | daedX | sorry for tripple post |
| 00:57.38 | fat``away | nailbiter: okies cool thx |
| 00:58.07 | nailbiter | daedX: if you've installed your kernel headers in, say, /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.6-1-k7, set KSRC to that. KVERS would then be 2.6.6-1-k7. |
| 00:58.21 | daedX | okay! |
| 00:58.28 | nashirak | fat``away: No xmms does not play midis |
| 00:58.47 | LSorense | nashirak: at least not without a plugin for it |
| 00:59.11 | nashirak | LSorense: Do you know where a plugin might be? |
| 00:59.27 | nashirak | LSorense: Or even what it may be called |
| 00:59.42 | nailbiter | nashirak: it depends on whether you want to play it through the synthesizer chip on your sound card (if you have one) or through a software synthesizer. :) |
| 00:59.55 | LSorense | nashirak: nas: no idea if there is one. I use pmidi and aplaymidi (alsa midi players) |
| 01:00.06 | LSorense | nashirak: since I have hardware midi synth |
| 01:00.22 | nashirak | nailbiter: I have a Soundblaster Live PLatnum I should be able to do midi sequencing |
| 01:00.41 | nashirak | LSorense: I run alsa, and I didnt know about those let me try em |
| 01:01.26 | LSorense | nashirak: timidity is fairly popular soft synth |
| 01:01.26 | LSorense | nashirak: if you use alsa you can on that card |
| 01:01.26 | LSorense | nashirak: well alsa and sfxload a soundfont |
| 01:02.10 | LSorense | nashirak: sfxload will load a soundfont into memory for use with the card. it does need instruments to play midi after all |
| 01:02.26 | nashirak | LSorense: What port do I need to specify.. when I try to run aplaymidi it asks for a port |
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| 01:02.49 | daedX | how can I upgrade to debian unstable? |
| 01:03.05 | fat``away | daedX: /msg dpkg d-d-a |
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| 01:03.21 | fat``away | oops |
| 01:03.24 | fat``away | wrong command =p |
| 01:03.48 | fat``away | daedX: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 01:04.14 | daedX | I/m already at testing |
| 01:04.22 | daedX | I want to go to unstable |
| 01:04.37 | fat``away | o :\ |
| 01:04.42 | fat``away | :[ |
| 01:04.55 | initech | daedX: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change testing to sid |
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| 01:05.19 | LSorense | nashirak: personally I use utopia32M.sf2 |
| 01:05.27 | samuel | anyone know anything that will change a text file from lowercase to uppercase? |
| 01:05.40 | nashirak | LSorense: This is another program? |
| 01:05.43 | zyglotron | Re guyz |
| 01:05.45 | nailbiter | samuel: sed -i y/A-Z/a-z/ file.txt |
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| 01:05.59 | zyglotron | Guerin: Got it ! |
| 01:06.03 | samuel | nailbiter: thanks! man sed i suppose? |
| 01:06.15 | hippi | does anyone know how to turn off notification of running autocommands in VIM |
| 01:06.16 | hippi | ? |
| 01:06.21 | LSorense | nashirak: and I use 65:0 as port (it should list 4 ports for out and 1 for in |
| 01:06.36 | nailbiter | samuel: uh, make that 'perl -pi -e y/A-Z/a-z/ file.txt'. that '-i' switch only exists in recent versions of sed. :) |
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| 01:06.56 | nashirak | LSorense: Is there a way to tell what port I am setup on, or which one to use? |
| 01:07.03 | Semireg | one day my tripwire reports show a file 1024 bytes long being created every *hour*, on the hour, with the filename /usr/lib/libem_shell.so and another libem_shell.so.lock. Any ideas? :/ |
| 01:07.04 | LSorense | nashirak: aplaymidi -l |
| 01:07.22 | samuel | nailbiter: i see, thanks. |
| 01:07.31 | Semireg | i cant find any documented exploits using this library, and no package owns the file :/ |
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| 01:08.43 | nailbiter | Semireg: try moving /usr/lib/libem_shell.so away and replacing it with a FIFO; it might catch and block whatever process is creating it .. |
| 01:09.00 | Semireg | that's a good idea, how do i create the fifo? |
| 01:09.09 | nailbiter | Semireg: mkfifo /tmp/myfifo |
| 01:09.42 | nashirak | LSorense: Ok I have one thing that pops up that says 64:0 EMU10k1 MPU-401 (UART) - Rawmidi EMU10k1 MPU-401 (UART) all the rest of the ports are Emu10k1 WaveTables... so which do I use? |
| 01:09.43 | nailbiter | Semireg: um. or 'mkfifo /usr/lib/libem_shell.so'. :) |
| 01:10.11 | Semireg | how will this work? |
| 01:10.39 | nailbiter | Semireg: if a process opens a FIFO for writing, it'll block until a reader comes along and opens the same FIFO. |
| 01:11.14 | cafuego | !lart MCSEs |
| 01:11.20 | nailbiter | Semireg: you can use 'fuser -v /usr/lib/libem_shell.so' to check if anyone's fallen into your FIFO trap. |
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| 01:11.42 | Semireg | nailbiter: ahh, that's what im looking for :) |
| 01:11.50 | nailbiter | Semireg: it won't work, of course, if they're actually deleting the file before creating it afresh. :) |
| 01:11.58 | tcsetattr | also create the lockfile and lock it... maybe the other guy will politely wait for you to release the lock |
| 01:12.11 | Semireg | nailbiter: true, this is really weird... argh |
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| 01:13.10 | samuel | does gnome have sound themeS (as in more than one?) |
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| 01:14.03 | nailbiter | cafuego: how come? :) |
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| 01:14.31 | Raenk | setserial -agv /dev/modem <----- someone knows about this ? |
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| 01:15.01 | ubb | can you make parted reveal how much mem a partition uses? |
| 01:15.04 | LSorense | nashirak: use the wavetable port |
| 01:15.09 | Semireg | nailbiter: you have any other idea on what this could be from? and how to check where its being created from? |
| 01:15.14 | nvz | ubb: df -Th |
| 01:15.14 | tcsetattr | it seems you can't chattr +i a FIFO... what a shame |
| 01:15.29 | nailbiter | Semireg: no idea, i'm afraid. :( checked google? |
| 01:15.47 | nashirak | LSorense: I tried them all and I get no sound... maby I need to turn something up in the mixer? |
| 01:15.51 | Semireg | nailbiter: yea, nothing, unless you search for: libem shell |
| 01:15.51 | nailbiter | tcsetattr: dang. :-/ |
| 01:15.57 | LSorense | ubb: partitions don't use any memory |
| 01:15.58 | Semireg | nailbiter: but still nothing |
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| 01:16.33 | tcsetattr | of course if you've been rooted there's nothing you can trust... including mkfifo |
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| 01:17.17 | tcsetattr | find / -type f -print0 | xargs -0 fgrep -l libem_shell -- |
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| 01:18.38 | tcsetattr | have you looked at the contents of libem_shell.so? |
| 01:18.46 | Semireg | tcsetattr: thanks! found the culprit! |
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| 01:18.58 | tcsetattr | can I have a copy? |
| 01:19.12 | tcsetattr | I collect malware and analyze the interesting ones |
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| 01:19.33 | zyglotron | guerin: Still here ? |
| 01:19.36 | Semireg | actually, its a 3rd party spam filter software |
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| 01:20.41 | Semireg | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.44 | simmerz | peterS: I've just tried rebooting into the raid, but it claims that it can't find block(9,0) which i can't find defined anywhere |
| 01:20.46 | Semireg | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.52 | Semireg | done/done :) |
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| 01:21.09 | LSorense | nashirak: you need the 'music/wavetable' turned up, and you need the soundfont loaded in memory |
| 01:21.38 | peterS | simmerz: somehow you have to let the mkinitrd process know that you want it to load the correct raid module |
| 01:21.54 | simmerz | peterS: raid is built into the kernel |
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| 01:22.04 | nashirak | LSorense: What is the soundfont? |
| 01:22.18 | peterS | simmerz: hmmm. I thought the kernel autostarted raid on partitions it recognised as such (partition type 0xfd) |
| 01:22.29 | peterS | simmerz: are your partitions type 0xfd in the partition table? |
| 01:22.34 | simmerz | ah, that might be the problem. how do i change them to that? |
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| 01:24.25 | simmerz | peterS: found it. brb |
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| 01:25.03 | simmerz | peterS: do all the partitions running with a raid have to be 0xfd? or just the one with / in? |
| 01:25.22 | kingsley | If an email is being held in exim's mailq because it's missing a -D file, should I just rm its -H file? |
| 01:25.48 | LSorense | simmerz: does your initrd know you have software raid as /? |
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| 01:25.57 | LSorense | simmerz: preferably all |
| 01:25.59 | nailbiter | kingsley: you can do that. or you can use 'exim -Mrm <messageid>' to have exim itself remove it .. |
| 01:26.22 | simmerz | LSorense: I'm raiding my swap, should that be defined as swap or fd? |
| 01:26.27 | LSorense | simmerz: fd |
| 01:26.46 | Tres`ni | Someone want to point me in the right direction for setting up a wireless card on Sarge? |
| 01:26.50 | LSorense | simmerz: and mdadm or whatever should start at boot (mdrun or whatever the name is). I think it checks for the fd partition type to device what to try |
| 01:27.11 | Tres`ni | It's a D-Link DWL-520 Revision C and according to lspci it's use the ADMTek ADM8211 chipset |
| 01:27.14 | simmerz | LSorence: let me try now. |
| 01:27.17 | kingsley | nailbiter: Thanks. |
| 01:27.17 | simmerz | brb |
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| 01:28.10 | LSorense | simonrvn: but if you see somethign about (9,0) it looks like it's trying to access md0, is that swap? |
| 01:28.14 | daedX | I've upgrade to debian-unstable and I'm ready to compile my drivers modules so I do apt-get install ipw2100-source in the Readme.debian they tell me to untar the package but I didnt find it anywhere .. |
| 01:28.32 | LSorense | Tres`ni: pcnet32 driver perhaps? |
| 01:28.45 | LSorense | daedX: in /usr/src of course |
| 01:28.51 | daedX | search there |
| 01:28.54 | daedX | didnt found it |
| 01:28.55 | LSorense | daedX: it's there |
| 01:29.06 | kingsley | daedX: Did you try "dpkg -L ipw2100-source | grep tar"? |
| 01:29.14 | daedX | ni |
| 01:29.16 | daedX | no |
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| 01:29.44 | daedX | /usr/src/ipw2100-source.tar.gz |
| 01:29.50 | daedX | thats what it gives me |
| 01:30.04 | ugly | !seen fooz |
| 01:30.04 | ventrue | Last seen: No match |
| 01:30.04 | dpkg | fooz <~jesus@ip68-224-33-15.lv.lv.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 35m 1s ago, saying: 'hehe cool'. |
| 01:30.06 | LSorense | daedX: of course. so extract it |
| 01:30.13 | daedX | its not there! |
| 01:30.15 | Tres`ni | LSorense: For a wireless card? I thought that driver was for wired cards (I use it on my other system..) |
| 01:30.21 | chris | hey y'all, i'm having some trouble with X in debian |
| 01:30.27 | LSorense | daedX: then you or somethign else deleted it. apt-get --reinstall install ipw2100-source |
| 01:30.29 | daedX | all I have is some kernel headers |
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| 01:30.35 | LSorense | Tres`ni: oh wireless I have no idea |
| 01:30.48 | kingsley | daedX: How do you know it's not there. |
| 01:30.51 | kingsley | daedX: How do you know it's not there? |
| 01:30.57 | Tres`ni | LSorense: damn.. thanx for tring :D |
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| 01:31.10 | chris | has anyone had trouble with a drifting cursor in X? |
| 01:31.18 | LSorense | chris: only with a crappy cheap mouse |
| 01:31.39 | fat``away | or bad driver |
| 01:31.42 | chris | it's not a mouse problem |
| 01:31.47 | chris | let me define drifting |
| 01:31.47 | kingsley | chris: I vaguely remember reading about drifing X cursors, It may be worth googling for. |
| 01:32.08 | chris | after about 5 hours of X being up, the graphical cursor will move about 40 pixels to the right of where the hotspot is |
| 01:32.19 | daedX | Package ipw2100-source is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 01:32.19 | daedX | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 01:32.19 | daedX | is only available from another source |
| 01:32.19 | daedX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:32.21 | chris | so to click on something i have to move the graphical cursor about 40 pixels to the right of what it is |
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| 01:32.33 | daedX | sorry for the flood |
| 01:32.36 | chris | restarting X does *not* fix the problem |
| 01:32.42 | Tres`ni | Sweet jebus, I think I found something :D |
| 01:33.11 | nailbiter | daedX: you can download the package directly from http://packages.debian.org/ipw2100-source |
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| 01:33.19 | chris | i'm thinking hardware is to blame, but i'm not sure |
| 01:33.27 | daedX | done |
| 01:33.33 | raldi | I don't have a printer. I don't have cups installed, but i do have libcups installed, because it was a requirement for gnumeric. when i start gnumeric, it hangs for several minutes. strace tells me it's trying to connect to localhost:631 and timing out. How can i config my machine to stop doing this? |
| 01:33.46 | LSorense | chris: sounds liek X driver problem |
| 01:33.46 | rares | chris I think setting the software cursor option does it |
| 01:34.01 | chris | rares: okay, how do i do this |
| 01:34.02 | rares | I used to have the problem |
| 01:34.07 | LSorense | chris: try chaging between hardware and software cursor like rares said |
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| 01:34.13 | nailbiter | chris: i guess this is a stab in the dark, but could you add a 'Option "SWcursor"' to the "Device" section in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4? |
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| 01:34.21 | chris | also is it safe to do an `apt-get -t testing dist-upgrade` ? |
| 01:34.32 | LSorense | chris: sometimes |
| 01:34.43 | chris | mainly because kde 2 sucks =/ |
| 01:34.54 | chris | slackware has kde 3.2, which is really sweet |
| 01:34.57 | LSorense | chris: well testing uses 3.2 I think |
| 01:35.02 | LSorense | chris: unstable has 3.3 |
| 01:35.04 | chris | okay |
| 01:35.12 | chris | nah, testing is as far as i'll go |
| 01:35.22 | chris | i prefer a working system to a nifty system that doesn't work |
| 01:35.23 | bloom | why doesn't testing have kdeaddons 3.3.3 yet? |
| 01:35.25 | nailbiter | chris: there's a backport of kde 3.2.3 to woody at http://download.kde.org. |
| 01:35.32 | afcpack | LSorense: that 3.3 still looks like the RC, not final |
| 01:35.37 | chris | also i'm having trouble with eboard in testing |
| 01:35.49 | chris | it complains that a file (board_y.png i thing) is missing |
| 01:36.00 | green-earz | chris: sarge as 3.2 kde |
| 01:36.07 | bloom | everything else kde has been upgraded (or so I think), but no kdeaddons, so no google toolbar in konqueror |
| 01:36.12 | daedX | IT WORKS |
| 01:36.14 | daedX | !!!!!! |
| 01:36.14 | dpkg | hmm... !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 01:36.19 | chris | a search on packages.debian.org says that the *only* package with this file is eboard-0.4.3 |
| 01:36.21 | daedX | God fuckign damnit |
| 01:36.25 | daedX | thanks you guys |
| 01:36.28 | chris | seems odd since eboard-0.9.5 needs this file too |
| 01:36.43 | kingsley | daedX: I don't find any packages that mention ipw2100 in "unstable". However, I did see it in "experimental". |
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| 01:37.11 | daedX | kingsley: I downloaded experimental and installed it using module-assistant |
| 01:37.12 | hippi | is there a way of getting a list of all c functions on a system? |
| 01:37.15 | useruser | since i have WEP passwords in /etc/network/interfaces, can I chmod it to 600? |
| 01:37.20 | afcpack | bloom: I looked at some changelogs for kdebase and kdegraphics... dated 13 and 14 Aug... 'bout the time RC2 was released |
| 01:37.54 | ledet | useruser: yes |
| 01:38.24 | ledet | hippi: why would you want that? |
| 01:38.26 | bloom | afcpack: hmm, you're right. I had noticed KDE 3.3 slipping into unstable. then about a week later slashdot announced that kde 3.3 had been released. I thought it odd at the time, but I set that aside. |
| 01:38.50 | useruser | ledet: ta |
| 01:39.07 | afcpack | bloom: I'm inclined to regard any of the 3.3.0-1 packages as still the RC |
| 01:39.12 | kingsley | hippp: I don't know, but I'm wondering if a man section has them. |
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| 01:39.24 | chris | where does Option "SWcursor" go? |
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| 01:39.32 | peterS | chris: in the device section for the video card |
| 01:39.50 | afcpack | kingsley: how go the cdrecord wars? :) |
| 01:39.57 | bloom | that still doesn't answer why they didn't do the kdeaddons 3.3 release candidate, but they did everything else |
| 01:40.16 | rares | in Device section of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 01:40.46 | chris | okay brb |
| 01:40.49 | chris | gotta restart X now |
| 01:41.10 | hippi | ledet: I want c function completion in vim |
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| 01:42.00 | raldi | if i telnet to a random port of localhost, it times out rather than immediately failing .. i've got a pretty standard deb-unstable installation. how can i change things so that connections from localhost to unused ports fail immediately? |
| 01:42.13 | Drizzt321 | anyone in here use debian-jr? |
| 01:42.29 | rares | !anyone use |
| 01:42.29 | dpkg | No, no-one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 01:42.44 | Drizzt321 | heh, thanx rares |
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| 01:42.58 | kingsley | afcpack: Ha! Thanks for asking. "war" isn't too far from the truth. After trying 2 2.6 kernels that didn't work, I can now nominally burn audio CDs on 2.4.27-1-k7. Next I'd like to try cdrdao to burn audio CDs with text for track names. |
| 01:43.07 | LSorense | raldi: use a firewall to send rejects on all unused ports |
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| 01:43.31 | nailbiter | raldi: are you sure it's not 'telnet' timing out trying to resolve localhost? |
| 01:43.40 | raldi | lsorense: what's the simplest, most common way to do that? i'll read the docs if you tell me the name of the package |
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| 01:43.48 | nailbiter | raldi: and if it's not, check that your loopback interface is actually up? |
| 01:43.50 | bloom | shoot. that's why I can't backup to CD. it didn't want to do it today, it didn't want to do it yesterday |
| 01:43.53 | afcpack | kingsley: k3b page has now added note that running as root doesn't work either... but for mem leak, not security hole |
| 01:43.56 | raldi | nailbiter: yes, it's the same with 127.0.0.1 |
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| 01:44.00 | LSorense | raldi: generally people don't care how long it takes for an unused port to timeout. whyever would they care? |
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| 01:44.01 | bloom | cdrecording is fubar on 2.6.8.* |
| 01:44.01 | ledet | raldi: youre not making sense |
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| 01:44.16 | simmerz | LSorense: thanks for that. its all working now |
| 01:44.17 | LSorense | bloom: really? |
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| 01:44.24 | ledet | hippi: install all -dev packages... extract function names from them |
| 01:44.27 | raldi | lsorense: when i start gnumeric, it hangs for several minutes while it tries to connect to a cups server. i don't run cups since i don't a printer |
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| 01:44.31 | nailbiter | raldi: i know this sounds silly, but is your loopback interface up? |
| 01:44.33 | bloom | !kernel |
| 01:44.37 | raldi | ledet: which part? |
| 01:44.39 | chris | okay thanks that fixed the cursor |
| 01:44.42 | kingsley | bloom: Evidently the kernel developers don't approve of how cdrecord et all access CD drives and stopped supporting them in 2.6.8. |
| 01:44.43 | LSorense | raldi: do you have any part of cups installed? |
| 01:44.47 | chris | now i have one more X problem i need help with |
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| 01:44.56 | LSorense | raldi: sounds odd. |
| 01:45.02 | chris | if the display resolution changes, the monitor goes into power-saving mode |
| 01:45.07 | raldi | lsorense: just libcups, since gnumeric required it |
| 01:45.11 | bloom | kingsley: are you serious. will it get better in 2.6.9? |
| 01:45.17 | LSorense | chris: usually means you switched into a mode the monitor does not support |
| 01:45.25 | chris | it also does this if i use CTRL+ALT+F1-6 to go to a terminal and try to get back to X with ALT+F7 |
| 01:45.27 | kingsley | afcpack: Right, k3b doesn't work on 2.6.8, even when run as root. |
| 01:45.28 | rares | chris all resolution changes or just the one unsupported |
| 01:45.28 | afcpack | LSorense: cdrecord depended on security hole that 2.6.8 closed. 2.6.8 also has mem leak that ruins burning audio CDs as root, too |
| 01:45.29 | bloom | kingsley: which already has a release candidate up on kernel.org |
| 01:45.34 | LSorense | raldi: well you could just set that port to REJECT with iptables |
| 01:45.34 | Semireg | shiner boch brewed in texas can lick my nuts, got this crap recommended to me when my summit boch was "not in season" wtf! |
| 01:45.42 | ledet | raldi: "timing out" is something handled by the different programs mostly... linux will send a "deny" answer back right away if no services is listening on a specific port |
| 01:45.42 | hippi | ledet: thanks, It didn't occurr to me :) |
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| 01:45.46 | raldi | lsorense: thanks, i'll look up how to do that |
| 01:45.49 | LSorense | afcpack: hmm, I should check that out... |
| 01:46.07 | chris | i don't care so much about resolution changes, but i cannot use the terminals because when I use ALT+F7 to get back to X it does this too |
| 01:46.16 | chris | leaving CTRL+ALT+BKSP as my only recouse |
| 01:46.18 | chris | recourse too |
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| 01:46.25 | raldi | ledet: right. the problem is that my installation doesn't appear to be doing that. if i do "telnet localhost 127.0.0.1 12345", it just hangs |
| 01:46.36 | LSorense | chris: maybe the X driver crashes or gets corrupted. sounds like a bug |
| 01:46.43 | bloom | I applied the patch for the memory leak, but I guess we need to wait for a new version of cdrecord? |
| 01:46.57 | chris | my video card isn't very well supported |
| 01:46.58 | ledet | raldi: telnet waits and probably tries to reconnect several times |
| 01:47.06 | chris | i tried an apt-get update of xfree86 |
| 01:47.10 | chris | even -t testing |
| 01:47.14 | chris | still has issues |
| 01:47.16 | raldi | ledet: i ran gnumeric under strace. it's waiting for the connect() syscall. |
| 01:47.20 | raldi | for several minutes. |
| 01:47.30 | kingsley | bloom: Unfortunately, I am serious. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=267338 |
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| 01:47.54 | ledet | raldi: are you running any type of firewall? |
| 01:47.55 | bloom | thanks for the info |
| 01:48.00 | raldi | i see: "connect(16, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(631), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16 " and that's it. xosview shows CPU near 0%. |
| 01:48.04 | ledet | raldi: are you dropping packets for some reason? |
| 01:48.24 | raldi | ledet: not on purpose.. i installed debian unstable about a week ago, have pretty much default packages, and haven't done anything weird |
| 01:48.32 | chris | my video card is Trident Cyberblade |
| 01:48.44 | chris | i recall having this problem on redhat, but i can't remember how i fixed it |
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| 01:49.13 | ledet | raldi: try "iptables -F" |
| 01:49.18 | raldi | searching google for "631 gnumeric hangs" (without the quotes) finds a bunch of other people having the same problem but no solutions |
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| 01:49.26 | rares | Trident Cyberblade eeew |
| 01:49.29 | raldi | ledet: ok thanks, lemme read up on that |
| 01:49.37 | chris | i know, it's on-board video |
| 01:49.39 | ledet | raldi: no, try it right away |
| 01:49.41 | chris | can't change it |
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| 01:49.49 | chris | and i'm too poor to get a new motherboard |
| 01:49.59 | ledet | raldi: it just flushes all firewall rules |
| 01:50.00 | raldi | F |
| 01:50.00 | bloom | kingsley: thanks for that heads up. |
| 01:50.11 | chris | i have my eyes set on a $300 upgrade |
| 01:50.17 | ledet | raldi: if anything changes now, we know its a firewall issue |
| 01:50.18 | raldi | ,b |
| 01:50.21 | afcpack | kingsley: oh shit... did we break sarge? :) |
| 01:50.38 | rares | chris I have a laptop withe Cyber9397 know if it's at all possible to access 3D on that crap |
| 01:50.42 | chris | until then i need a workaround |
| 01:51.07 | chris | i couldn't care less about 3D acceleration, i just want a supported video card |
| 01:51.19 | raldi | i did iptables -F but still have the problem |
| 01:51.23 | chris | but since i don't have the money, i need a way to use consoles without getting screwed when i try to switch back to X |
| 01:51.29 | raldi | i'm gonna look at things with ethereal |
| 01:51.48 | raldi | just as soon as i install it :) |
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| 01:51.50 | nailbiter | chris: if you have a recent enough monitor, try turning on DCC (to avoid adopting modes which your monitor will barf on). |
| 01:51.50 | ledet | raldi: which kernel version are you running? |
| 01:51.57 | rares | chris it might be due to running fb drivers on the terminals |
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| 01:52.00 | raldi | 2.6.7 |
| 01:52.06 | LSorense | chris: well make sure you do not run framebuffer console. try changing wheter or not X uses the fbdev device to change resoluitons. sometimes it helps, sometimes it breaks things |
| 01:52.09 | nailbiter | chris: oops -- i mean DDC. :) |
| 01:52.20 | kingsley | afcpack: I guess the short answer is "yes". |
| 01:52.34 | ledet | raldi: telnet localhost <someportwithnolisteningd> fails immediately on all computers i've testet it on |
| 01:52.34 | chris | okay i think i am using fb console |
| 01:52.40 | chris | how would i configure X to work with this? |
| 01:52.52 | LSorense | chris: many X drivers HATE frmabuffers |
| 01:52.59 | LSorense | chris: you don't. |
| 01:53.02 | Rawplayer | sunffb |
| 01:53.03 | Rawplayer | : |
| 01:53.04 | Rawplayer | p |
| 01:53.11 | LSorense | chris: well you can make X much slower by changing X to running on the framebuffer |
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| 01:53.11 | rares | it's not X it's the console that must be fixed |
| 01:53.15 | raldi | you know what? i don't have a route entry for 127.* |
| 01:53.17 | chris | okay |
| 01:53.17 | raldi | i bet that's it |
| 01:53.21 | afcpack | kingsley: after reading that report, it looks to me as they're reconsidering including 2.6.8 in sarge over this |
| 01:53.24 | chris | how do i turn off the fb console |
| 01:53.33 | chris | although i'll miss seeing tux when i boot ='( |
| 01:53.38 | LSorense | chris: depends one the kernel config and which framebuffer driver it is |
| 01:53.45 | LSorense | chris: and you boot how often? |
| 01:53.45 | chris | 2.4.something |
| 01:53.52 | raldi | bingo |
| 01:53.53 | chris | a lot recently ;) |
| 01:53.55 | raldi | that was the problem |
| 01:54.07 | ledet | raldi: how can you not have a route for 127.? |
| 01:54.09 | chris | i shouldn't need to now that the cursor problem is fixed |
| 01:54.10 | raldi | it was trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 over eth0 |
| 01:54.20 | ledet | raldi: duh |
| 01:54.46 | chris | so how do i disable the framebuffer on the console? dpkg-reconfigure something? |
| 01:55.05 | raldi | i guess i'll see if i can post to some of the message boards where other people were having this problem |
| 01:55.19 | LSorense | chris: no, it really does depend on the kernel config, and which framebuffer driver it is |
| 01:55.19 | raldi | thanks for the help and conversation |
| 01:55.29 | ledet | raldi: youre welcome |
| 01:55.35 | LSorense | chris: lsmod|grep fb, and see if you have one loaded as a module |
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| 01:55.47 | chris | nope |
| 01:56.03 | LSorense | chris: did you build the kernel yourself or is it a debian kernel? |
| 01:56.06 | chris | this is the kernel straight off of the woody CDs |
| 01:56.16 | LSorense | chris: are you still runing the bloody bf kernel? |
| 01:56.18 | chris | 3.0r2 |
| 01:56.23 | chris | probably |
| 01:56.34 | g4lt | !install kernels |
| 01:56.34 | chris | 2.6 was giving me grief |
| 01:56.35 | LSorense | chris: the install guide CLEARLY states you should install a real kernel |
| 01:56.43 | g4lt | !install kernel |
| 01:56.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, real kernel is The Debian install kernels are meant for just that: installing. If you want things like wide module support and netfilter, install a proper kernel. 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386' will see you through, if you have no idea. something you should compile yourself for maximum performance First though, do apt-cache search kernel-image- . |
| 01:56.44 | LSorense | chris: of course, woody can't run 2.6 kernels |
| 01:57.20 | chris | uname -a says: |
| 01:57.21 | chris | Linux pyromaniacs 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 unknown |
| 01:57.30 | g4lt | it's a fucking bf kernel |
| 01:57.33 | LSorense | chris: so go install kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 |
| 01:57.47 | g4lt | listen ot he bot, he speweth wisdom |
| 01:57.47 | LSorense | chris: which shouild remove the fb driver and give you many nice improvements |
| 01:57.58 | chris | okay will be a while (on 56k here) |
| 01:58.15 | chris | do i need to edit my lilo config, or will it clobber the old kernel for me? |
| 01:58.20 | LSorense | chris: hmm, yeah that could take a while. it does have a bunch of security fixes too. make sure you have security in your sources.list |
| 01:58.32 | chris | i do |
| 01:58.39 | LSorense | chris: it should auto update lilo for you if you let it. you may have to do the initrd line change to lilo.conf it tells you about |
| 01:58.40 | g4lt | chris you'll have to edit lilo.conf |
| 01:58.44 | chris | apt-setup asked me about that and i said yes |
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| 01:59.23 | chris__ | that was weird |
| 01:59.45 | rares | chris has quit (Nick collision from services. |
| 01:59.49 | g4lt | you got ghosted. listen to chanserv when it says the nick is owned next time ;P |
| 01:59.57 | chris__ | it didn't say the nick was owned |
| 02:00.17 | g4lt | it asked you for the owner's password though |
| 02:00.23 | chris__ | nope |
| 02:00.26 | rares | I though nickserv would say so not chanserv |
| 02:00.27 | chris__ | not for 'chris' |
| 02:00.38 | g4lt | rares :P |
| 02:00.40 | SerajewelKS | okay |
| 02:00.45 | SerajewelKS | let's hope this one isn't owned |
| 02:01.10 | SerajewelKS | so |
| 02:01.21 | SerajewelKS | i'll be back to bug you guys some more after the kernel is installed |
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| 02:04.40 | newbee | nailbiter, hey i got it, Thank you. i had to turn on the chooser in the SERVER and then put "X -indirect 192.168.1.1" in yout nice script "xdmcp". Cool! |
| 02:04.59 | zignig | SerajewelKS: after RPM hell it does , but it has its own quirks . |
| 02:05.08 | newbee | nailbiter, ...on the client :) |
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| 02:06.32 | jdrake | what is a good download manager that does the resume downloads thing, possibly segmented downloading |
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| 02:06.49 | cafuego | jdrake: wget |
| 02:07.19 | jdrake | cafuego, i was thinking more along the lines of a gui baby |
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| 02:07.55 | t-jack | zignig, Have you tried that new makefile replacement? Odin? |
| 02:09.16 | initech | jdrake: kget, mozilla i think, also wget |
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| 02:09.56 | t-jack | zignig, Supposed to be a whole pkg management system, I think. |
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| 02:10.25 | initech | jdrake: for KDE then kget does that |
| 02:10.48 | jdrake | trying to keep gnome stuff going for great look |
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| 02:12.09 | initech | jdrake: well yes then you won't want to start 90% of KDe just for kget :( |
| 02:12.30 | t-jack | zignig, What's that? What's my point? Maybe a pkg mgt system with fewer quirks that rpm or apt. |
| 02:12.50 | initech | jdrake: doesn't mozilla/firefox's dl manager do that stuff? |
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| 02:13.27 | LSorense | t-jack: apt has quirks? |
| 02:13.40 | asg | ~eat your own head |
| 02:13.42 | apt | ACTION eats your own head and falls over dead |
| 02:13.54 | asg | LSorense: pretty quirky to me |
| 02:14.02 | t-jack | ~eat shit |
| 02:14.05 | apt | ACTION eats shit and falls over dead |
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| 02:14.32 | jdrake | initech, not resuming, it is simply a download list |
| 02:14.44 | jdrake | i don't use firefox so I don't know about it |
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| 02:15.13 | initech | jdrake: well personally i like to use wget for large downloads, it works great and i can nohup it if i want |
| 02:15.31 | asg | initech: s/nohup/screen/ (make life so much better) |
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| 02:15.36 | dan2 | asg: hiya |
| 02:15.41 | asg | dan2: evening |
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| 02:15.53 | g4lt | asg s/screen/&/ |
| 02:16.01 | asg | g4lt: :) |
| 02:16.23 | initech | asg: well i need to get around to using screen i guess, but vt's do me just fine ... what's the advantage over just using vt's? (assuming local use) |
| 02:16.48 | rares | Howto on Spam:http://freelancewrite.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.craigslist.org/sfc/wri/39781045.html |
| 02:16.52 | g4lt | initech more than 12 workspaces |
| 02:17.03 | asg | initech: in that case, not much (besides easy multiplexing and cut-and-pasty type stuff) |
| 02:17.06 | initech | screen keeps things going in the backround after you logout? |
| 02:17.08 | dan2 | asg: gonna be around a bit longer? |
| 02:17.16 | asg | dan2: nah, need to crash here in a few |
| 02:17.19 | poing | initech, that's screen's purpose |
| 02:17.35 | asg | dan2: just popped in to see what was going on |
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| 02:18.06 | mirak | yo |
| 02:18.11 | mirak | i am drunk |
| 02:18.23 | mirak | good night |
| 02:18.27 | gravity | That's valuable information |
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| 02:18.42 | useruser | does anyone run trplayer on sid? |
| 02:18.49 | useruser | it seems to want an old library that sid doens't have. |
| 02:19.06 | useruser | do woody libraries work on sid? |
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| 02:19.22 | asg | rares: unless you close your eyes and duck |
| 02:19.36 | g4lt | rares that takes all the fun out of making th edrunkard sick |
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| 02:20.26 | rares | are you kidding tell me right any drunkards who would be able to perform a standing wave correctly |
| 02:20.59 | useruser | cool, that worked :) |
| 02:21.18 | g4lt | rares the point is EVERYONE ELSE is swaying, making his [lack of] equilibrium go fluky |
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| 02:21.31 | AggieTX | can anyone help with an install? |
| 02:21.37 | poing | probably |
| 02:21.42 | g4lt | !anyone |
| 02:21.42 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 02:21.49 | AggieTX | I am at the stage where I select a network install |
| 02:21.57 | AggieTX | I use the default server settings |
| 02:22.12 | AggieTX | and I keep getting "couldnt download ***" file errors |
| 02:22.21 | AggieTX | is there a more stable server or what is the problem? |
| 02:22.36 | poing | does your network interface work? |
| 02:22.42 | AggieTX | yes, very well |
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| 02:23.06 | AggieTX | sometimes itll end up getting that file and miss another |
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| 02:23.29 | poing | suckage. trying another server work? |
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| 02:23.34 | poing | mirrors.kernel.org is a good mirror |
| 02:23.42 | asg | AggieTX: try a mirror close to you (/msg dpkg mirrors) |
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| 02:24.17 | asg | AggieTX: if that is still problematic, it might be an issue with the duplex settings of your nick vs. your switch/hub |
| 02:24.41 | asg | s/nick/nic/ |
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| 02:25.51 | AggieTX | thanks, I'm in the USA which I believe is the default, but ill still try this |
| 02:26.07 | asg | AggieTX: also, are you using adsl? |
| 02:26.11 | AggieTX | calbe |
| 02:26.13 | AggieTX | *cable |
| 02:26.17 | AggieTX | I went to slack for a few months and I miss apt! |
| 02:26.18 | asg | AggieTX: okay, nevermind |
| 02:26.29 | AggieTX | manual dependencies = suck |
| 02:26.39 | asg | AggieTX: *nod* |
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| 02:27.01 | asg | dan2: night |
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| 02:28.01 | AggieTX | maybe you guys can help me out |
| 02:28.33 | AggieTX | im an average linux user, I know most of the basics I think - ive tried the "switch to linux desktop" before but I miss the gui |
| 02:29.05 | AggieTX | so I would like to set up my secondary (linux) box as a web server, but would like to edit my web docs from my windows box (on the same private network) |
| 02:29.24 | zinx | miss the gui? |
| 02:29.35 | AggieTX | I like the windows gui better than anything ive seen in linux |
| 02:29.38 | AggieTX | its hard to believe huh? |
| 02:29.42 | poing | yikes |
| 02:29.47 | poing | you ain't seen much in linux then |
| 02:29.49 | peterS | AggieTX: not really hard to believe, no |
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| 02:30.00 | useruser | AggieTX: you obviously haven't tried ratpoison |
| 02:30.01 | AggieTX | ive tried gnome, kde and enlightenment |
| 02:30.04 | AggieTX | ha |
| 02:30.06 | peterS | AggieTX: either you are very accustomed to Windows and find it more comfortable for that reason (that's probably the case) |
| 02:30.07 | AggieTX | I havent tried that |
| 02:30.10 | initech | AggieTX: back in 1997 i liked afterstep and fvwm more than windows |
| 02:30.13 | peterS | AggieTX: or you have not seen very many Linux environments |
| 02:30.17 | poing | konq has that sort of integration that ms dreamed of with explorer/iexplore |
| 02:30.19 | AggieTX | see above |
| 02:30.20 | poing | but never pulled off |
| 02:30.40 | initech | KDE blows windows out of the water |
| 02:30.51 | SerajewelKS | konqueror sucks IMHO |
| 02:30.52 | AggieTX | e was nice but I didn't have the patience to customize it to the fullest I think |
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| 02:31.01 | initech | SerajewelKS: well to each his own |
| 02:31.13 | SerajewelKS | i prefer konsole for file management |
| 02:31.14 | AggieTX | but e wasn't a full desktop env., just a window mgr |
| 02:31.15 | poing | e sure is pretty, but it doesnt seem more functional than fvwm |
| 02:31.25 | AggieTX | I like the new gnome, its not bad |
| 02:31.26 | SerajewelKS | and opera for web browsing |
| 02:31.31 | g4lt | poing but it's SHINY ;P |
| 02:31.41 | AggieTX | what are yalls fave linux desktop environments |
| 02:31.51 | g4lt | AggieTX CLI |
| 02:31.52 | SerajewelKS | 65% on the kernel download... |
| 02:31.55 | AggieTX | ha |
| 02:32.01 | SerajewelKS | KDE 3 |
| 02:32.10 | initech | SerajewelKS: really? I love konq for browsing, 'cept for the occaissional web site issue |
| 02:32.39 | SerajewelKS | i'd use konqueror if it wasn't so slow |
| 02:32.48 | initech | you think it's slow? |
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| 02:32.54 | SerajewelKS | it takes a good half minute to populate a folder with 1000 entries |
| 02:33.00 | aTypical | AggieTX, I think GNOME is the best. I especially like the Industrial and Gorilla themes. Although, RedHat's bluecurve is nice too. |
| 02:33.01 | SerajewelKS | even explorer isn't that sluggish |
| 02:33.15 | nvz | arg! I am taking this box down.. this f*$#)@ fan is driving me nuts |
| 02:33.15 | initech | SerajewelKS: you must be using ext3 or something |
| 02:33.18 | poing | kde's lan:// blows network neighborhood out of the water |
| 02:33.20 | flint | AggieTX xfce |
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| 02:33.31 | initech | poing: not to mention fish:// |
| 02:33.31 | poing | it's better at this integration stuff than MS |
| 02:33.31 | SerajewelKS | i was using ext3, yes |
| 02:33.37 | AggieTX | > see above |
| 02:33.38 | AggieTX | <poing> but never pulled off |
| 02:33.38 | AggieTX | <initech> KDE blows windows out of the water |
| 02:33.39 | AggieTX | <SerajewelKS> konqueror sucks IMHO |
| 02:33.39 | AggieTX | <AggieTX> e was nice but I didn't have the patience to customize it to the fullest I think |
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| 02:33.42 | SerajewelKS | now i'm using ext2 because i don't see why i need a journal |
| 02:33.43 | poing | initech: fish:// ... i'm gonna have to try that |
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| 02:34.03 | SerajewelKS | len:// doesn't work for me |
| 02:34.20 | SerajewelKS | i'm on a two box network... debian w/samba, and windows xp |
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| 02:34.28 | initech | SerajewelKS: well extX is very slow at reading large amount of files |
| 02:34.30 | SerajewelKS | lan:// complains that some daemon isn't running |
| 02:34.32 | AggieTX | SerajewelKS: im in the same situation |
| 02:34.42 | poing | fish:// does nothing for me |
| 02:34.47 | AggieTX | what is the best way to set it up so I can edit my webdocs from windows |
| 02:34.54 | AggieTX | samba? ftp? anything else I don't know about? |
| 02:35.10 | SerajewelKS | i'd use samba |
| 02:35.13 | poing | actually neither does lan:// ... lisa must not be running |
| 02:35.23 | initech | SerajewelKS: kong loads my /usr/share/doc in 2 sec, 2000+ entries |
| 02:35.29 | poing | wish it would give me feedback to that effect, for me it's just a no op |
| 02:35.35 | SerajewelKS | i use it for sharing files with my brother's xp box. it works very well. |
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| 02:35.56 | SJr|nx | Hey I just logged into my box, and noticed that /usr/sbin is empty? |
| 02:35.59 | SJr|nx | Any ideas? |
| 02:36.10 | SerajewelKS | oh, how can i permanently enable DMA for hda and hdb? |
| 02:36.36 | SerajewelKS | my hd speed is unbearable without dma |
| 02:36.48 | SerajewelKS | and it took a good 10 seconds to load /usr/share/doc in konq |
| 02:36.49 | initech | /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 02:36.49 | trailertrash | SerajewelKS, look at hdparm |
| 02:37.02 | SerajewelKS | 1055 entries |
| 02:37.02 | tritium | How can I list that (few) packages that I've installed from experimental? |
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| 02:37.08 | initech | SerajewelKS: i use reiserfs though |
| 02:37.17 | SerajewelKS | LSorense: /etc/hdparm.conf: No such file or directory |
| 02:37.22 | SerajewelKS | i use hdparm to set it |
| 02:37.27 | SerajewelKS | but i want it to set it manually |
| 02:37.32 | initech | SerajewelKS: /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 02:37.37 | SerajewelKS | automatically i mean |
| 02:37.55 | SerajewelKS | the file is empty, so i don't know what to put in it |
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| 02:38.14 | initech | SerajewelKS: ? anything in /usr/share/doc/hdparm/examples? |
| 02:38.27 | trailertrash | SerajewelKS, hows hdparm -c1 -u1 -m16 -k1 /dev/hda |
| 02:38.36 | SerajewelKS | idectl ultrabayd |
| 02:38.58 | SerajewelKS | trailertrash: what are you talking about |
| 02:38.58 | initech | SerajewelKS: is this sid? woody? what? |
| 02:39.08 | SerajewelKS | woody |
| 02:39.11 | initech | ahh |
| 02:39.42 | initech | i belive /etc/hdparm.conf was a post-woody development |
| 02:39.45 | trailertrash | hdparm -c1 -u1 -m16 -k1 /dev/hda is what i set mine with |
| 02:39.58 | SerajewelKS | i use hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
| 02:39.58 | initech | SerajewelKS: you might try looking at the script in /etc/init.d |
| 02:40.08 | SerajewelKS | which script |
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| 02:40.30 | initech | SerajewelKS: shit, i just checked, woody don't have that either |
| 02:40.38 | initech | SerajewelKS: you have to make your own then |
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| 02:40.54 | SerajewelKS | on redhat i added hdparm -d1 /dev/hda to my rc.local |
| 02:41.05 | SerajewelKS | that will work fine but i can't find such a script on debian |
| 02:41.08 | initech | SerajewelKS: just make a script to set hdparm the way you want, put it in /etc/init.d, link to your runlevel |
| 02:41.18 | SerajewelKS | preferrably this should be run before anything else |
| 02:41.45 | SerajewelKS | what is /etc/rc.boot ? |
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| 02:42.25 | initech | SerajewelKS: apropos rc.boot |
| 02:42.41 | poing | hm. HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted |
| 02:42.48 | initech | SerajewelKS: it's obsolete |
| 02:42.49 | tritium | apt-show-versions :) |
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| 02:42.53 | poing | as root. |
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| 02:43.22 | AggieTX | where can one edit his apt mirrors? |
| 02:43.31 | pipeline | Anyone else being spammed by a "Digitroga" ? |
| 02:43.32 | SerajewelKS | you might not have DMA in your kernel |
| 02:43.36 | SerajewelKS | apt-setup |
| 02:43.37 | poing | ugh |
| 02:43.39 | AggieTX | pipeline I am |
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| 02:43.40 | somiaj | !ops |
| 02:43.40 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
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| 02:43.50 | helix | somiaj: yes? |
| 02:43.52 | AggieTX | I would like to change the default stable to unstable where can I do that? |
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| 02:44.19 | SerajewelKS | i think you need to edit your apt config |
| 02:44.20 | helix | somiaj: little help? what am I looking for..? |
| 02:44.23 | dacoto | pipeline, yes |
| 02:44.24 | somiaj | helix: got a strange message when entering....from Digitroga (but he was klined) |
| 02:44.25 | AggieTX | SerajewelKS: where is that? |
| 02:44.32 | SerajewelKS | pinning or something like that |
| 02:44.35 | somiaj | somiaj: was trying to get me to run a script, want me to send the msg to ya |
| 02:44.41 | helix | somiaj: ah, ok |
| 02:44.41 | SerajewelKS | dunno i found it on google |
| 02:44.47 | Xenguy | helix: me too |
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| 02:44.55 | helix | he was klined though? |
| 02:44.56 | helix | yeah |
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| 02:44.58 | helix | so |
| 02:45.01 | AggieTX | does anyone know where the file containing apt mirrors is?? |
| 02:45.02 | helix | close that window |
| 02:45.05 | helix | this is my advice :) |
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| 02:45.19 | somiaj | helix: I will, was just gonna ask to +q/b him if he didn't leave |
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| 02:45.23 | dacoto | AggieTX, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:45.30 | AggieTX | dacoto: THANK YOU |
| 02:45.33 | somiaj | helix: thanks |
| 02:45.37 | helix | somiaj: yeah. just next time point it out quick so I don't have to sit here staring at the window :P |
| 02:45.38 | dacoto | np |
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| 02:46.07 | somiaj | helix: no problem....*grins* |
| 02:46.28 | peterS | somiaj: good policy: "!ops" "ops: foo just spammed me when I joined" |
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| 02:46.44 | peterS | somiaj: they like it when they don't have to scroll up to see what's up |
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| 02:47.05 | AggieTX | how does one upgrade the whole distro to unstable from stable? I.e. what is the apt command? |
| 02:47.16 | peterS | AggieTX: /msg dpkg woody->sid |
| 02:47.51 | dacoto | AggieTX, after you change your sources.list, apt-get dist-upgrade then apt-get upgrade |
| 02:48.15 | SerajewelKS | does sid have KDE 3.2? |
| 02:48.28 | tritium | AggieTX, see this for ref: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html |
| 02:48.44 | somiaj | peterS: Yea, I was just slow on typing......(: |
| 02:49.06 | dacoto | SerajewelKS, yes |
| 02:49.12 | somiaj | peterS: but agreed, that is a good policy and I'll try to keep that in mind....*grins* |
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| 02:49.26 | peterS | somiaj: right. just saying what works for me |
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| 02:49.40 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 02:49.46 | SerajewelKS | too bad the latest ISOs are woody |
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| 02:50.35 | peterS | SerajewelKS: the latest ISOs are sarge with debian-installer rc1 |
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| 02:51.08 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: no, sid has kde 3.3 |
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| 02:51.27 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: sarge does have kde 3.2 though |
| 02:51.48 | SerajewelKS | okay whichever has the newest KDE |
| 02:51.57 | dacoto | SerajewelKS, sorry, i forgot 3.3 was just put in not to long ago |
| 02:52.01 | SerajewelKS | why aren't there sid ISOs? |
| 02:52.02 | t-jack | !smite t-jack for talking to himself on other channel. |
| 02:52.02 | dacoto | did not mean to miss inform |
| 02:52.12 | Guerin | !sid iso |
| 02:52.12 | dpkg | somebody said sid iso was a BAD idea. Taking an unsupported snapshot of an unstable system and expecting it to work? Well, hell. You pays your $0 and you takes your chances. You get to keep the pieces and we get to laugh at you. |
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| 02:52.25 | dan2 | asg: ? |
| 02:52.35 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 02:52.37 | dan2 | asg: gnite |
| 02:52.39 | SerajewelKS | so screw the dial-up users |
| 02:52.51 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: use the sarge installer and upgrade if you think you're 'ard enough to deal with the breakage |
| 02:53.09 | SerajewelKS | what about sid |
| 02:53.14 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: sid changes on a daily basis. Isos are impractical. |
| 02:53.24 | t-jack | Someone should really work on dpkg's handling of syntax. |
| 02:53.38 | poing | hm. dma is indeed set, hdparm tells me permission denied |
| 02:53.46 | peterS | t-jack: apt-get source blootbot. have fun hacking. |
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| 02:54.05 | dad_ | dacoto, What are the pros and cons? |
| 02:54.05 | SerajewelKS | so if i want KDE 3.3, what should i do? |
| 02:54.16 | poing | SerajewelKS: #debian-kde |
| 02:54.19 | afcpack | Guerin: doesn't knoppix sometimes bill itself as 'sid'? |
| 02:54.32 | poing | knoppix is based on sid |
| 02:54.35 | SerajewelKS | i mean as far as what apt-get should i do |
| 02:54.38 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: install sarge and upgrade to sid. be prepared for it to take all night. |
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| 02:54.53 | SerajewelKS | install sarge from what |
| 02:54.59 | Guerin | !d-i |
| 02:54.59 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 02:54.59 | poing | took no time for me to dist-upgrade from sarge to sid |
| 02:55.09 | dacoto | pros, latest greatest versions of all software, cons, if you like kde as your wm i have heard it does not play well at first |
| 02:55.09 | poing | but i installed NOTHING but the essentials beforehand |
| 02:55.21 | dacoto | i use xfce4 so i have had 0 issues |
| 02:55.35 | SJr|nx | Anyone know a way to reinstall every package thats installed on a system. |
| 02:55.37 | Guerin | poing: 500MB over dial-up can be quite depressing. |
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| 02:55.45 | dad_ | afcpack, testing/unstable custom |
| 02:55.45 | Guerin | SJr|nx: why on earth would you. |
| 02:55.47 | Guerin | ? |
| 02:55.48 | poing | SerajewelKS: you may have to force a few kde packages too, the packaging is a little borked |
| 02:55.56 | poing | Guerin: ouch. i've been there. |
| 02:55.57 | guestish | is sarge frozen yet? |
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| 02:56.07 | lrdMyren | Guerin: i prefer overnight(nightS in this case) to depressing |
| 02:56.08 | SerajewelKS | well i could just do an apt-get install of kde from testing |
| 02:56.11 | Guerin | afcpack: knoppix bills itself as a lot of things, but it's generally only tards who think knoppix is actually debian. |
| 02:56.15 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: it's a wee bit slushy but yeah basically |
| 02:56.15 | poing | went from dialup to 5 megabit cable. yay |
| 02:56.20 | SJr|nx | Guerin, lost my /usr/sbin/ directory |
| 02:56.24 | dad_ | poing, No time at what speed (and spec time)? |
| 02:56.26 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: so that means a month or so less right? |
| 02:56.29 | Guerin | SJr|nx: aaard |
| 02:56.31 | Guerin | g |
| 02:56.32 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: left* |
| 02:56.32 | lrdMyren | poing: whats your upload speed? |
| 02:56.39 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: for what? |
| 02:56.40 | SJr|nx | Guerin? |
| 02:56.47 | Guerin | SJr|nx: that sucks. |
| 02:56.49 | SerajewelKS | someone walk me through this? |
| 02:56.56 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: till its "stable" |
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| 02:56.59 | poing | lrdMyren: 1 meg i believe |
| 02:57.00 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: you don't get walked through sid |
| 02:57.07 | lrdMyren | poing: congradulations on the upgrade. must be nice. |
| 02:57.09 | dacoto | when i went from woody to sid it took about 3 hours on a t1 share |
| 02:57.10 | SJr|nx | Guerin so is there anyway to reinstall every package, or repair it. |
| 02:57.11 | afcpack | Guerin: then I'm glad I came to my senses... or had it beaten into me :) |
| 02:57.18 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: if you can't figure out how to do it on your own, you're not qualified to use it. |
| 02:57.19 | poing | whup, looks like it's about 768 actually |
| 02:57.36 | SerajewelKS | not really, Guerin |
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| 02:57.38 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: oh lord no woody was frozen for much longer than that. It could be but I'm not holding my breath |
| 02:57.45 | SerajewelKS | not knowing the exact commands doesn't mean to can't use KDE |
| 02:57.49 | poing | time to grab some food |
| 02:57.57 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: how long are you guessing? (how long was woody?) |
| 02:58.13 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: I don't remember but it was a long time |
| 02:58.13 | Guerin | SJr|nx: yeah, I expect by running dpkg -l |grep ii, awking the package names into a file, then running apt-get install --reinstall on that file |
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| 02:58.37 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: bah |
| 02:58.47 | Guerin | SJr|nx: but I bet that dpkg needs some stuff in sbin to work, so you might have to manually replace those binaries. |
| 02:58.52 | SerajewelKS | shall i just 'apt-get -t testing dist-upgrade'? |
| 02:58.57 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: so much for releasing in september |
| 02:59.00 | dacoto | SerajewelKS, i would suggest listbugs and listchanges before upgrading |
| 02:59.01 | Guerin | SJr|nx: it'll be hard yards, that's for sure |
| 02:59.08 | dad_ | dacoto, Dang! It'd be easier to go from Knoppix converted to sid would it not? |
| 02:59.10 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: do you already have woody installed? |
| 02:59.14 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: it could happen. I'm just cynical. Why do you care? |
| 02:59.15 | SerajewelKS | yes |
| 02:59.25 | SerajewelKS | running KDE 2.2... bleh |
| 02:59.31 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: cause i want to install it on my parents computer, and i dont want to install it when its still in testing stage |
| 02:59.32 | dacoto | dad_, dont know, i have not used knoppix much |
| 02:59.34 | poing | oh gosh knoppix->debian is not worth it |
| 02:59.38 | poing | i restarted from scratch |
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| 02:59.44 | scarynetworkguy | dad_: if you want to run Knoppix sure |
| 02:59.51 | Guerin | dad_: no, it's quite hard to eradicate all the -knoppix packages without breakage, and then there's the fact that knoppix's default config is RADICALLY different from debian's |
| 03:00.03 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: not that its that unstable, i just want to set it up to only really have to update using security updates |
| 03:00.12 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: you know? |
| 03:00.12 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg woody -> sarge |
| 03:00.25 | poing | it's a nice config all right, but it's way different |
| 03:00.28 | dacoto | is the knoppix sources.list customized with special repositories |
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| 03:00.38 | poing | dacoto: nope |
| 03:00.41 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: at this point security updates are pretty much all that are going in. |
| 03:00.46 | SerajewelKS | which is more stable: sarge or sid? |
| 03:00.50 | poing | SerajewelKS: sarge |
| 03:00.52 | stephan_ | sare |
| 03:00.54 | stephan_ | *sarge |
| 03:00.55 | SerajewelKS | mmkay |
| 03:00.58 | berto- | hi everyone. |
| 03:01.01 | Guerin | guestish: you might as well isntall it now. I don't expect all THAT much will change between now and release. |
| 03:01.05 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: oh, so it has the security repository now? |
| 03:01.05 | dacoto | ping, just built a lot different then from pure debian? |
| 03:01.13 | poing | sarge is much easier to install too |
| 03:01.20 | dacoto | s/ping/poing |
| 03:01.24 | Guerin | guestish: and sarge's security updates are set up already... there's just nothing there. |
| 03:01.29 | scarynetworkguy | guestish: it was supposed to start some time ago. You might want to check and make sure it really did |
| 03:01.31 | guestish | Guerin: ah, ok |
| 03:01.32 | berto- | hi, Guerin! |
| 03:01.39 | guestish | scarynetworkguy: alright |
| 03:01.42 | poing | dacoto: it's got debian packages, but custom versions of pretty much everything in the base system |
| 03:01.50 | Guerin | berto-:A do I know you? |
| 03:01.55 | poing | dacoto: and they'll conflict. not fun to try to dist-upgrade |
| 03:01.59 | guestish | scarynetworkguy, guerin: so does sarge's installer support sata? |
| 03:02.06 | afcpack | SerajewelKS: last I looked, the KDE 3.3 packages were still the RC |
| 03:02.08 | dacoto | poing, ah no fun at all |
| 03:02.11 | SerajewelKS | okay, doing apt-get update |
| 03:02.24 | SerajewelKS | KDE 3.2 is fine |
| 03:02.24 | berto- | Guerin: yeah, you were helping me out with some problem a couple weeks ago. had to do with, i believe postfix + tls on debian testing. |
| 03:02.24 | Guerin | guestish: yes, but you want to make sure your sata adaptor is supported in kernel |
| 03:02.30 | SerajewelKS | is openoffice.org available yet? |
| 03:02.34 | Guerin | berto-: ah, work out ok? |
| 03:02.39 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: hell yeah |
| 03:02.44 | guestish | Guerin: well gentoo's livecd worked fine |
| 03:02.45 | Guerin | !tell SerajewelKS about pdo |
| 03:02.48 | poing | other packages will install fine ... until they require a debian base |
| 03:02.52 | guestish | Guerin: so its supported in 2.6 |
| 03:03.03 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: all the packages you want to know about are listed on that site |
| 03:03.08 | poing | since knoppix packages don't register themselves as equivalent or alternative or whatever the debian jargon is |
| 03:03.09 | dacoto | SerajewelKS, i was not aware it was unavailable |
| 03:03.10 | berto- | Guerin: yes, actually! i wanted to let you know my problem had to do with a missing package. i'll let you know the package name in a sec. |
| 03:03.14 | SerajewelKS | i've searched there |
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| 03:03.24 | Guerin | guestish: I don't know if it's only 2.6 - but I do know that 2.6 works with sata |
| 03:03.26 | SerajewelKS | apt-get install openoffice.org complains that there is no such package |
| 03:03.40 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: in woody, that's not surprising |
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| 03:04.00 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 03:04.06 | SerajewelKS | i really need cable |
| 03:04.24 | dacoto | anyone upgraded to sid and have issues with kppp or ppp dialup connections |
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| 03:04.26 | guestish | Guerin: last time i tried the sarge installer it didnt work, but its changed a ton since then |
| 03:04.28 | poing | my gf's work pays for cable internet here |
| 03:04.31 | poing | so she can work from home |
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| 03:04.36 | berto- | Guerin: i think you were helping me with the sasl auth part. turns out i was missing libsasl2-modules, which provides the sasl pam module. |
| 03:04.41 | poing | never does, but hey it's their dime |
| 03:04.49 | dad_ | Cable really needs us. Don't forget that till they lower the hefty price :) |
| 03:04.50 | Guerin | berto-: right. |
| 03:04.53 | Tezkah | anyone know why kdepim keeps annoying my friend when he tries to dist-upgrade even when he tries to force it? |
| 03:05.15 | poing | don't force a whole dist-upgrade, just do the one package |
| 03:05.38 | Guerin | guestish: I installed two boxen with it (plain x86 ide) a month or so ago, and they both worked flawlessly. All hardware detected, everything working out of the box. Including X and sound. Shit-hot :) |
| 03:05.41 | Tezkah | and when that doesn't work? |
| 03:05.42 | dad_ | You can nbuy CD's MUCH cheaper than broadband downloading. |
| 03:05.43 | cafuego | lart file uploads via ASP |
| 03:05.52 | dad_ | *buy |
| 03:05.56 | SerajewelKS | can i do multiple apt operations at once? i.e. dist-upgrade and install openoffice.org? |
| 03:05.57 | guestish | Guerin: heh, well this is kind of a new system, but im hoping its all supported |
| 03:06.01 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: there are sarge isos available, but they're not final yet. |
| 03:06.18 | poing | cd /var/cache/apt/archives; dpkg -i --force-overwrite kdepim*.deb |
| 03:06.23 | poing | or whichever package is complaining |
| 03:06.25 | guestish | Guerin: doesnt use a winmodem or any of that crap though |
| 03:06.33 | m4dh4x0r | whats the terminal command to delete a file? |
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| 03:06.41 | cafuego | m4dh4x0r: 'rm file' |
| 03:06.42 | hhstno1 | rm |
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| 03:06.49 | m4dh4x0r | ty |
| 03:06.50 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: in a month or so, sarge will become stable, and official iso cds will be released. if you can wait, that might be easier than downloading it all on 56k. |
| 03:07.18 | SerajewelKS | yeah but i'm impatient =) |
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| 03:07.19 | SerajewelKS | i need openoffice ASAP |
| 03:07.19 | AggieTX | I get a horrible error after running tasksel saying aptitude failed - can anyone help? |
| 03:07.19 | initech | SerajewelKS: cheap bytes will probably produce a dvd |
| 03:07.34 | initech | SerajewelKS: why? |
| 03:07.45 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: no, yopu can only do one apt operation at a time, becaus of the dependencies, etc. |
| 03:07.45 | Guerin | AggieTX: tell us the error |
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| 03:07.53 | SerajewelKS | because i have several openoffice documents i need to work on |
| 03:08.11 | AggieTX | I ran tasksel and tasksel reports that aptitude failed |
| 03:08.14 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: do you need them to be in oo.o format when you finish with them? |
| 03:08.17 | AggieTX | kde had unmet depts it says |
| 03:08.18 | dacoto | SerajewelKS, i recommend apt-listbugs if you are going to start mixing up things from different trees |
| 03:08.23 | poing | apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 03:08.24 | initech | SerajewelKS: doesn't open office have a tarball-like installer, like star office? |
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| 03:08.34 | Guerin | DON'T mix woody with sarge or sid |
| 03:08.36 | dad_ | SerajewelKS, Then you only solution left is to borrow broadband. A friends house for example. |
| 03:08.51 | AggieTX | I went from stable to unstable (wodody to sid perhaps) |
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| 03:08.57 | dacoto | it will give you info on the packages and what issues/bugs are open |
| 03:09.01 | Guerin | AggieTX: and.... |
| 03:09.04 | SJr|nx | whats sid? |
| 03:09.05 | SerajewelKS | i'm doing a dist-upgrade to sarge |
| 03:09.11 | poing | !sid |
| 03:09.11 | dpkg | methinks sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymmed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbor kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 03:09.13 | AggieTX | sid is unstable |
| 03:09.14 | cafuego | SerajewelKS: OpenOffice is only 100 or so MB, if you set it to fetch with 'apt-get -d install openoffice.org' it'll be done in an hour or two. |
| 03:09.15 | SerajewelKS | then install openoffice |
| 03:09.16 | Guerin | dacoto: never tell people it's acceptable to mix stable with anything |
| 03:09.29 | dacoto | unstable in the debian tree, SJr|nx |
| 03:09.32 | SJr|nx | !sarge |
| 03:09.32 | dpkg | Fall in! Ten-HUT! Sarge is the new 'testing' version of Debian, which will become stable soon. You can help test it: ask me about "d-i" or see the #debian-boot topic. ask me about <sarge stable> |
| 03:09.41 | AggieTX | how can I successfully switch to sid other than doing the sources.list and apt updates? |
| 03:09.41 | Guerin | info openoffice.org woody |
| 03:09.44 | AggieTX | I thought that was it |
| 03:09.45 | Tezkah | remember: beer before liquor, throw up quicker! |
| 03:09.45 | SJr|nx | !sarge stable |
| 03:09.45 | dpkg | Sarge will be stable when it's ready. There is still no final date, but there is a tentative release date of 2004/09/15. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/08/msg00001.html |
| 03:09.45 | poing | maybe we should call knoppix "babyface" |
| 03:09.46 | Guerin | !info openoffice.org woody |
| 03:09.50 | poing | !babyface |
| 03:09.53 | dacoto | Guerin, I am not saying it is, but if they are they should know whats going on with the packages dont you think |
| 03:09.56 | poing | tch, no facts on it |
| 03:09.59 | dad_ | SerajewelKS, ..but you should buy the closest thing and upgrade the difference (if you can't wait) |
| 03:10.03 | Guerin | AggieTX: if you have to ask, you shouldn't be using sid |
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| 03:10.10 | AggieTX | Guerin: thanks |
| 03:10.12 | AggieTX | anyone else? |
| 03:10.25 | poing | dpkg, babyface is that toy with the doll's head and the erector set spider legs |
| 03:10.26 | dpkg | poing: okay |
| 03:10.27 | initech | AggieTX: he's really right, you knwo |
| 03:10.39 | AggieTX | initech: thanks |
| 03:10.43 | AggieTX | anyone else? |
| 03:10.58 | cafuego | AggieTX: Sid is for testers. Are you a tester? Do you know how to sue the bug database? |
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| 03:11.13 | poing | sue the bug database? |
| 03:11.13 | AggieTX | sure |
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| 03:11.17 | Guerin | AggieTX: think of this error as your instroduction to sid ... it's a fair indication of how things might play out from here |
| 03:11.19 | poing | sounds like a new SCO business model |
| 03:11.19 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: so a dist-upgrade to sarge (according to dpkg's instructions) and then an install of openoffice.org is safe? |
| 03:11.20 | initech | AggieTX: what it really means is that if you were of the proper mind/attitude to be using sid, you would be reading docs and not asking people for quick answers :) |
| 03:11.21 | daedx | Anybody know what if the apt-get package I need to install to have /usr/bin/play ? |
| 03:11.39 | cafuego | AggieTX: Will you in future jion this channel and ask how to fix stuff that's broken in Sid? |
| 03:11.41 | dad_ | SerajewelKS, When I say buy I mean shipping and CD for around $2. |
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| 03:12.00 | AggieTX | sure |
| 03:12.04 | AggieTX | ive done it before |
| 03:12.08 | poing | wrong answa |
| 03:12.08 | cafuego | AggieTX: Then you shouldn't use it. |
| 03:12.08 | lucas | daedx: apt-file |
| 03:12.10 | SJr|nx | Will there be a sid -> sarge upgrade path? |
| 03:12.12 | dacoto | AggieTX, if you are not willing to put in a lot of time and effort figuring why things dont work for whatever reason dont run sid |
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| 03:12.20 | cafuego | SJr|nx: No, that's a downgrade. |
| 03:12.24 | poing | SJr|nx: no such thing, sid is an upgrade |
| 03:12.30 | SerajewelKS | or i can ask my dad to download sarge ISOs at his office |
| 03:12.31 | poing | sid is a perpetual upgrade, it's bleeding edge |
| 03:12.41 | AggieTX | sure, and I don't mind using it |
| 03:12.54 | jarango | How can I rename image files from *.JPG to *.jpg ? |
| 03:13.01 | cafuego | 2:40 for a 64MB File upload |
| 03:13.08 | tritium | daedx, sox |
| 03:13.12 | SerajewelKS | rename .JPG .jpg * |
| 03:13.13 | dacoto | mv file.JPG file.jpg |
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| 03:13.36 | poing | for file in *.jpg; do mv $file ${file.JPG}.jpg; done |
| 03:13.37 | jarango | SerajewelKS: It needs to be recursive through sub-directories ... |
| 03:13.40 | SJr|nx | poing, oic. |
| 03:13.49 | peterS | poing: errr. you mean ${file%.JPG} |
| 03:14.01 | peterS | poing: anyway, that's what the perl program 'rename' is for |
| 03:14.03 | initech | poing: well i think that's the opposite of what he wants, but yeah |
| 03:14.22 | poing | peterS: whups. i have some bad keys... |
| 03:14.24 | poing | yeah that's it |
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| 03:14.27 | poing | bad keyboard |
| 03:14.29 | peterS | initech: no, it's what he wants, he just forgot the % sign |
| 03:14.31 | daedx | thanks mr. tritium |
| 03:14.32 | initech | jarango: if you don't do scripts, you can lok into "mmv" |
| 03:14.45 | tritium | daedx, no problem |
| 03:14.53 | AggieTX | thanks for all your help guys |
| 03:15.10 | cafuego | for i in *.JPG; do mv "$i" "`basename $i JPG`.jpg"; done |
| 03:15.12 | jark | Im building a budget pc and I need a motherboard with onboard video that the new easyinstall debian will support, know of any good mobos? (that newegg sells would be a plus) |
| 03:15.27 | cafuego | jark: Are you after AMD or intel? |
| 03:15.27 | poing | yoikes, basename takes two args? |
| 03:15.30 | jark | amd |
| 03:15.33 | jark | amd athlonxp |
| 03:15.42 | jarango | needs to be recursive ! |
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| 03:15.45 | cafuego | poing: 2nd is optional, strips the suffix |
| 03:15.52 | SerajewelKS | perl -mstrict -e 'sub jpg_rename { my $dir = shift; for (<$dir/*>) { if (-d $_) { &jpg_rename($_) } elsif ($_=~/\.JPG$/) { my $n = $_; $n=~s/\.JPG$/.jpg/; rename($_, $n) } } for (<ARGV>) { &jpg_rename($_) }' * |
| 03:15.57 | SerajewelKS | or something like that |
| 03:16.00 | poing | the version with ${file%.JPG} is faster, no external program |
| 03:16.00 | jarango | initech: let me check it out |
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| 03:16.19 | poing | still, kind of good to know |
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| 03:16.36 | cafuego | jark: Note that if you buy a normal AGP mobo and a budget Radeon9200 you'll have much more joy |
| 03:16.42 | initech | poing: basename is a built in |
| 03:16.47 | dad_ | Hold the phone. Some say Sid is really quite stable and you get better apps. Then the others point out the fact that it's unstable and subject to wasting time. So which is it? The RTFM doesn't apply. Is Sarge the definative new but less time tier? |
| 03:17.00 | jark | right now I have an epox board with ati 7000 and i would like to drop the price even more |
| 03:17.02 | justin | SerajewelKS: thanks for reminding me why I hate perl |
| 03:17.17 | SerajewelKS | lol |
| 03:17.18 | initech | dad_: short answer, yes |
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| 03:17.27 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.34 | SerajewelKS | perl is cool for quick hacks and text-munching |
| 03:17.40 | SerajewelKS | anything else is a job for C |
| 03:17.48 | dad_ | initech, Thank you for your view. I value it highly. |
| 03:17.52 | dacoto | dad_, in my opinion sid is not "unstable" as in shoty apps and things that dont work well, it just means that they have not been through the time test |
| 03:17.54 | jark | What about Python and C? |
| 03:17.57 | poing | find . -name '*.JPG' | while read filename; do mv $file ${file%.JPG}.jpg; done |
| 03:18.08 | Guerin_ | dad_: regardless of what people SAY about sid (anecdotal evidence being what it is) sid can and does break on a semi-regular basis. |
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| 03:18.31 | poing | i've written apps in perl with uptimes in YEARS |
| 03:18.45 | jark | I need to put together the absolute cheapest pc to run debian |
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| 03:18.48 | SerajewelKS | jark: C is cool. I don't know python. |
| 03:18.52 | dad_ | dacoto, Ex point. I always say "unstable" in linux is like SP3 (4,5,6) elsewherw. :) |
| 03:18.54 | poing | tho it was kind of like text munging, lot of protocol chattiness |
| 03:18.55 | guestish | sarge's netinstall is quite small |
| 03:19.02 | SerajewelKS | i use perl for stuff that doesn't need blazing speed |
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| 03:19.03 | jarango | jark: I bought an amd mobo for 28 dollars ... no video but can't beat the price |
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| 03:19.12 | poing | perl is good for i/o bound tasks, yes |
| 03:19.15 | dad_ | Guerin_, How bad? |
| 03:19.16 | dacoto | dad_, lol good analogy |
| 03:19.16 | poing | as is just about any scripty language |
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| 03:19.26 | Guerin_ | dad_: sometimes it breaks big, sometimes it breaks small. You pays your $0 and you takes your chances. |
| 03:19.33 | SerajewelKS | hmm i've always thought that perl/s IO was pretty weak |
| 03:19.33 | jark | which mobo jarango? |
| 03:19.35 | cafuego | jark: GIGABYTE GA-7VT600 1394 + Asus RAdeon7000 (64MB) $72.00+$36.00 |
| 03:19.48 | jark | still expensive |
| 03:19.50 | jarango | just a sec, let me check |
| 03:19.56 | poing | SerajewelKS: depends how you use it. can be faster than most common C idioms |
| 03:19.58 | initech | dad_: little things stop working, you have to fix them. java plugins, shockwave, little things usually |
| 03:20.03 | dad_ | guestish, Yea but isn't it piece meal? |
| 03:20.05 | cafuego | jark: Going budget is one thing, but you do NOT want a crap mobo. |
| 03:20.21 | SerajewelKS | i've had more grief with Perl's IO than C's |
| 03:20.24 | jark | Sure, but crappy onboard video will do |
| 03:20.27 | dacoto | dad_, i look at it this way even a new caddy of the show room has bugs in it, but its still a damn nice ride |
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| 03:20.30 | SerajewelKS | especially when it comes to sockets |
| 03:20.33 | Guerin_ | damn, a 64MB radeon 7000 is $36? |
| 03:20.35 | dad_ | Guerin_, I see |
| 03:20.39 | poing | SerajewelKS: i wouldn't write a streaming media server in perl, no. but as long as your bottleneck is I/O, perl's quite adequate |
| 03:20.40 | SerajewelKS | you need a lot of code to get sockets working in C, but it's well worth it for the control you get |
| 03:20.45 | dacoto | s/of/off |
| 03:20.48 | initech | jark: buy an older qualioty mobo better than a new crappy one |
| 03:20.50 | cafuego | jark: yeah, but you'll probably be cheaper (and better) off with a cheap AGP card |
| 03:20.51 | beth | somebody ban dooky, he's a gentoo user |
| 03:20.57 | dooky | omg |
| 03:20.59 | poing | OTOH i am currently using perl that is doing heavy compute bound tasks. i curse the authors of that perl code every day |
| 03:21.00 | Faire | does anyone have nvidia graphic drivers and framebuffer working correctly? |
| 03:21.02 | Guerin_ | haha |
| 03:21.02 | dooky | i'm just here for some discussion and tea :( |
| 03:21.03 | dad_ | initech, That sound anoying? |
| 03:21.04 | hhstno1 | beth: way to be open minded. |
| 03:21.05 | SerajewelKS | i was having trouble parsing text from a MUD with perl |
| 03:21.08 | Guerin_ | !gentoosmite dooky |
| 03:21.10 | beth | hhstno1: no, really |
| 03:21.11 | hhstno1 | lol |
| 03:21.12 | cafuego | Guerin_: US$, not NZ |
| 03:21.21 | Guerin_ | cafuego: I know, but still... |
| 03:21.22 | dooky | dpkg: DAMN STRAIGHT I RUN FASTER |
| 03:21.22 | initech | dad_: what's annoying? |
| 03:21.24 | jark | maybe old crap on ebay will do, dont want the hassle of an auction though |
| 03:21.28 | jarango | jark: MB PCCHIPS| KT266A M811LU AMD RTL |
| 03:21.29 | Guerin_ | haha |
| 03:21.36 | jarango | jark: has very good reviews |
| 03:21.36 | cafuego | Guerin_: AU$74 for a 9200SE here |
| 03:21.42 | jarango | jark: newegg |
| 03:21.47 | guestish | dad_: its net install |
| 03:21.53 | jark | Whats the best 8meg video card that has terrific linux/debian support? |
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| 03:21.58 | jarango | jark: 29 dollars, free shipping |
| 03:21.59 | cafuego | Nononono, get a KT400 minimum. |
| 03:22.06 | initech | jark: matrox millenium |
| 03:22.10 | Guerin_ | cafuego: I've been out of the new hardware market for too long... last vidcard I bought was a riva tnt2 with 32MB - and it cost me $hundreds |
| 03:22.11 | cafuego | jark: Matrox Millennium 2 |
| 03:22.15 | poing | !gentoosmite gentoo |
| 03:22.16 | jark | right now I got a epox EP8K9A7i |
| 03:22.24 | jark | 51 kt400 |
| 03:22.35 | dad_ | initech, " little things stop working, you have to fix them. java plugins, shockwave, little things usually" |
| 03:22.38 | cafuego | jark: Reallym that's the best 2D videoc ard full stop ;-) |
| 03:22.47 | initech | jark: it's old but it works *perfect*, with everything (frame buffer, X, everything) |
| 03:22.49 | jark | matrox milen or milen 2? |
| 03:22.54 | cafuego | jark: the 2 |
| 03:22.59 | initech | yeah 2 |
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| 03:23.01 | jark | ok thanks |
| 03:23.10 | cafuego | jark: The milennium only comes in 1 or 2MB I think (possibly 4 too) |
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| 03:23.11 | dooky | !gentoosmite "your grandma" |
| 03:23.21 | Guerin_ | dooky: oh come on. |
| 03:23.31 | dooky | Guerin_: i had to try it at least once, jeez |
| 03:23.38 | initech | cafuego: i have an 8MB millenium |
| 03:23.44 | cafuego | initech: Hmmm. |
| 03:24.04 | initech | cafuego: typically they came with four, afaik |
| 03:24.16 | dad_ | Is there really NO substitute for "newer" hardware of can you really work wonders with old boxes. Pent,PII,PII (AMD) and up? |
| 03:24.19 | cafuego | The cheapest matrox card newegg has is a $99 G550 |
| 03:24.32 | cafuego | initech: yeah, my Mill2 had 4Mb as well |
| 03:24.40 | dad_ | *or |
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| 03:24.42 | initech | cafuego: well i think ebay is the only place to get a millenium pci |
| 03:24.45 | dooky | tbh, I don't hate binary distros! |
| 03:24.59 | jark | woohoo, matrox milen2 4meg 7.50 :-) |
| 03:25.11 | Fluten | almsost silent when running with an 100mhz bus |
| 03:25.13 | rares | ok that's too much Underclocked |
| 03:25.15 | Fluten | and with a slow fan |
| 03:25.25 | dad_ | cafuego, Anti-GUI on that one :) |
| 03:25.35 | cafuego | jark: if you cna get that one, it's probably *the* best video card 8ever* :-) |
| 03:25.40 | guestish | dad_: faster is always better |
| 03:25.43 | dad_ | cafuego, But there's xdmcp :) |
| 03:25.44 | dooky | cafuego: thats not true |
| 03:25.51 | dooky | 6800 Ultra is tons faster |
| 03:25.53 | cafuego | dooky: Be quiet. |
| 03:25.55 | Guerin_ | cafuego: really? |
| 03:25.57 | jark | search.ebay.com/matrox-millenium-2_W0QQsokeywordredirectZ1QQfromZR8 |
| 03:26.00 | dooky | the parhelia kind of sucked, when it came out |
| 03:26.03 | dooky | hate to rain on your parade :( |
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| 03:26.12 | cafuego | dooky: any nvidia card has shit video quality |
| 03:26.16 | dooky | cafuego: SCOFF |
| 03:26.17 | dad_ | guestish, Vote one. Score for new purchaces. |
| 03:26.20 | dooky | have you seen the newest ones? |
| 03:26.20 | Guerin_ | cafuego: what makes them so better than anything else? |
| 03:26.25 | guestish | dad_: heh ;) |
| 03:26.26 | initech | why do all these gentoo users care about 3d video cards? are they actually using windows or something? |
| 03:26.27 | cafuego | dooky: I'm talking about the Millennium 2, mate. |
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| 03:26.29 | dooky | I've got a 6800GT, they are really nice, and really, really fast |
| 03:26.32 | dooky | cafuego: oh, lol |
| 03:26.34 | jark | Ok, im going ebay for everything, much cheaper |
| 03:26.56 | cafuego | dooky: I neither use nor endorse any nvidia product. |
| 03:27.01 | Guerin_ | jark: might as well pull a machine out of a dumpster |
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| 03:27.03 | dooky | ahh |
| 03:27.04 | cafuego | dooky: I don't use closed source crap. |
| 03:27.05 | dooky | party pooper :9 |
| 03:27.06 | rares | cafuego's fuego is running out of control he's spitting out blasphemous untruths on #debian |
| 03:27.10 | jark | Whehe |
| 03:27.12 | dooky | cafuego: ati has closed source drivers ;) |
| 03:27.20 | jark | What is a good last gen PIII mobo? |
| 03:27.24 | dad_ | cafuego, I heard it was ATI with wonky driver support. |
| 03:27.29 | cafuego | dooky: Yes, but you'll find the R7000 runs with the open X driver. |
| 03:27.40 | initech | dooky: they also work well enough with kernel prograqmmers so that they can write their own |
| 03:27.41 | dooky | cafuego: but the r7000's really suck |
| 03:28.00 | dooky | initech: this is true |
| 03:28.02 | initech | dooky: i use pure free dirvers for my radeon 9000 |
| 03:28.03 | cafuego | dooky: Seeing as they have open support, which your 6800 doesn't, I'd suggest they suck less then your card. |
| 03:28.14 | dooky | cafuego: sure, in support |
| 03:28.15 | Fluten | i see no reason to upgrade either |
| 03:28.19 | dooky | mine is just faster by leaps and bounds |
| 03:28.21 | Fluten | if it works just fine |
| 03:28.39 | guestish | Fluten: um...ew? |
| 03:28.41 | guestish | ;) |
| 03:28.43 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 03:28.48 | dad_ | All: I know that ATI does not sopport there older stuff. |
| 03:28.49 | SerajewelKS | i've edited my sources.list to use sarge |
| 03:28.55 | SerajewelKS | then i did apt-get update |
| 03:28.59 | cafuego | jark: Hmm, get a newly hatched factory cpu though. |
| 03:29.07 | SerajewelKS | and apt-get dist-upgrade says: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
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| 03:29.33 | cafuego | SerajewelKS: Run 'apt-get update' furst |
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| 03:29.36 | cafuego | first |
| 03:29.54 | SerajewelKS | <SerajewelKS> then i did apt-get update |
| 03:30.15 | jark | what was that last gen PIII called, the .13 micron one? |
| 03:30.25 | poing | coppermine? |
| 03:30.29 | rares | SerajewelKS, congratulations you are up to date |
| 03:30.36 | SerajewelKS | uhh |
| 03:30.37 | jark | No not coppermine |
| 03:30.43 | jark | That was 2nd to the last |
| 03:30.44 | SerajewelKS | and yes somehow i'm still running kde 2 |
| 03:30.47 | beth | see, you missed your chance to kick dooky |
| 03:30.50 | cafuego | model name : Pentium III (Coppermine) |
| 03:30.58 | dad_ | dooky, i love ya no matter how bad you smell :) |
| 03:31.12 | jark | My mistake, its .13 and 512k l2 cache |
| 03:31.20 | rares | SerajewelKS, KDE 2 is a separate product from KDE3 I think |
| 03:31.24 | jark | The one that spanked the first p$s |
| 03:31.28 | jark | p4s |
| 03:31.28 | rares | aptitude it |
| 03:31.35 | SerajewelKS | so what is the apt-get for KDE3 |
| 03:31.48 | cafuego | SerajewelKS: /join #debian-kde -> See FAQ in topic. |
| 03:32.08 | rares | cafuego he was only asking for the package name |
| 03:32.23 | cafuego | rares: KDE3 tends to have missing depends and assorted crap. |
| 03:32.30 | poing | for me it was just apt-get install kde |
| 03:32.32 | cafuego | rares: Easier to just check the FAQ |
| 03:32.36 | poing | but i run sid |
| 03:32.40 | SerajewelKS | well i hate KDE2 enought to take that risk |
| 03:32.47 | jark | tualatin :) |
| 03:32.56 | rares | hasn't been my experience but hey |
| 03:33.14 | rares | I don't run anything that will slow down my 233 |
| 03:33.25 | rares | except for xchat |
| 03:33.30 | SerajewelKS | Sorry, kde is already the newest version. |
| 03:33.37 | rares | which slows it down because I do less |
| 03:33.49 | poing | warning tho, kde's deps are a little messy. one package has a missing dep, another couple want to overwrite files (which you can generally let 'em do) |
| 03:33.59 | VivekVC | Iam not able to install tripwire i get the following error message "tripwire has no available version, but exists in database". E: tripwire has no installation candidate |
| 03:34.02 | rares | SerajewelKS, check your sources.list |
| 03:34.02 | AndreaKBG | rares: try irssi instead of xchat ;) |
| 03:34.18 | poing | AND all deps are required, not recommended. so trying to uninstall like one lousy kde game wants to uninstall all of kde |
| 03:34.29 | SerajewelKS | i just did an apt-get update, remember? |
| 03:34.41 | SerajewelKS | http://debian.uchicago.edu sarge/main Release |
| 03:35.03 | rares | SerajewelKS it might be in testing |
| 03:35.18 | SerajewelKS | hmm according to this FAQ it's in unstable =/ |
| 03:35.24 | poing | sarge IS testing |
| 03:35.58 | rares | hmm why uchicago? |
| 03:35.58 | SerajewelKS | here we go |
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| 03:36.05 | SerajewelKS | Need to get 160MB/164MB of archives. After unpacking 234MB will be used. |
| 03:36.09 | SerajewelKS | because it's close to indiana |
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| 03:36.34 | RuffianSoldier | Helllo |
| 03:36.35 | poing | doesnt necessarily mean networkologically close, but same region is good |
| 03:36.42 | RuffianSoldier | I am having trouble with my debian istallation |
| 03:36.56 | SerajewelKS | here's something interesting |
| 03:37.10 | poing | RuffianSoldier: does it not call you after a date? |
| 03:37.16 | SerajewelKS | after switching sources.list to sarge, apt-get dist-upgrade did nothing, but apt-get -t testing dist-upgrade gives a lot... is that normal? |
| 03:37.26 | SerajewelKS | Need to get 434MB/495MB of archives. After unpacking 503MB will be used. |
| 03:37.35 | initech | SerajewelKS: did you apt-get update?? |
| 03:37.49 | SerajewelKS | for the fourth time, YES! |
| 03:38.00 | RuffianSoldier | I finished it, but i have to set it up, says: Enter the directory the debian mirror is located in |
| 03:38.05 | RuffianSoldier | what is it located in? |
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| 03:38.45 | poing | someone who remembers installing woody will have to answer that one |
| 03:38.48 | initech | RuffianSoldier: what did you point apt to? file? or http? or what? |
| 03:38.53 | poing | sarge has no such question |
| 03:38.54 | SerajewelKS | maybe it's my /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 03:39.13 | RuffianSoldier | ok, let me go see |
| 03:39.27 | poing | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.28 | SerajewelKS | http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianKDE says to use testing and unstable |
| 03:39.34 | SerajewelKS | right now i have stable and testing |
| 03:39.48 | cafuego | SerajewelKS: You cna have one OR the other. Not both. |
| 03:39.59 | SerajewelKS | not according to this site |
| 03:40.07 | cafuego | SerajewelKS: You cna have one OR the other. Not both. |
| 03:40.10 | initech | cafuego: you can have both, it's just insane |
| 03:40.11 | poing | eh? i have all three, everything works fi |
| 03:40.28 | SerajewelKS | here is my preferences, line by line |
| 03:40.38 | cafuego | SerajewelKS: apt will fetch the newest avialable version, so have a list of older stuff 9stable) is kinda useless. |
| 03:40.41 | poing | flood pleez |
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| 03:40.46 | poing | er #flood |
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| 03:41.32 | RuffianSoldier | 'The directory does not contain a sub directory named 'dists'" or something like that |
| 03:41.37 | SerajewelKS | i just pasted in #flood |
| 03:41.44 | kc | hi can some 1 help me i just installed my computer with sarge cd and my debian box has problems resolving dns, i can ping an ip address outside my network but cannot resolve google or yahoo how do i fix it? |
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| 03:42.18 | Spike-Sp | kc: did you specify dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 03:42.19 | poing | cafuego: some broken packages have deps on obsolete ... like kde. you need testing in your sources.list to get it |
| 03:42.24 | kc | no |
| 03:42.31 | kc | what dns servers do i put in ? |
| 03:42.33 | poing | cafuego: at the very least it's harmless |
| 03:42.42 | poing | er at worst |
| 03:42.57 | Spike-Sp | kc: your provider should have give you some |
| 03:43.01 | SerajewelKS | okay using pastebot |
| 03:43.22 | SerajewelKS | eh? no #debian for pastebot? |
| 03:43.28 | RuffianSoldier | What dns server |
| 03:43.34 | RuffianSoldier | im confused now |
| 03:43.35 | kc | for all my other computers i didnt have to do that even though they are on lan |
| 03:44.03 | initech | kc: the one's your isp have you to put in |
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| 03:44.06 | Spike-Sp | then they have dns servers specified I guess |
| 03:44.09 | poing | kc: welcome to the woody installer |
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| 03:44.11 | initech | ^have^gavr |
| 03:44.15 | initech | erggh |
| 03:44.22 | SerajewelKS | poing: can't i paste to #debian with pastebot? |
| 03:44.24 | poing | kc: consider sarge |
| 03:44.36 | Chris_Home | does anyone know if there is a way of changing the fact that I have 256 pts ports in the default built debian kernel? |
| 03:44.40 | poing | should autoconfig that stuff from ppp i believe |
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| 03:44.55 | kc | thanx guys i got it 2 work |
| 03:44.57 | kc | ;) |
| 03:44.59 | kc | nights |
| 03:45.03 | SerajewelKS | or how about this question instead |
| 03:45.18 | SerajewelKS | i modified my sources.list to use sarge... now what do i put in /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 03:45.43 | hat | hi, any comments on web page design so that google will set as high priority? |
| 03:45.45 | threefold | hello ppl. My headless server just 'reboot' unexpectedly. what log files should i be checking to see what happened ? |
| 03:45.54 | RuffianSoldier | brb |
| 03:46.00 | SerajewelKS | hat: what does that have to do with debian? |
| 03:46.09 | stephan_ | Ruffian|GRRRR: /var/log/syslog and messages |
| 03:46.14 | hat | debian is os :) |
| 03:46.32 | poing | like deb http://ftp.debian.org/ buzz main contrib non-free |
| 03:46.35 | initech | SerajewelKS: unless you're pinning woody higher then nothing |
| 03:46.50 | SerajewelKS | so i should rm /etc/apt/preferences? |
| 03:48.03 | initech | hat: no, one of the things that makes google usable is that it is difficult to do that |
| 03:48.19 | initech | i hate that shit |
| 03:48.20 | bono | Question: I wanna install the libmysql-java package, but dont want kaffe, of which libmysql-java is dependent cause i have j2se installed... How do I avoid installing kaffee? Anyone? |
| 03:48.36 | SerajewelKS | okay i rm'd the file and a dist-upgrade now gives me a huge list of packages to upgrade |
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| 03:49.03 | threefold | stephan: /var/log/syslog seems to have what happened, although im not able to understand it, would you be able to help ? |
| 03:49.27 | SerajewelKS | oh i've also had trouble getting apache to read my public_html folder |
| 03:49.32 | jark | How would this fair with debian |
| 03:49.34 | SerajewelKS | apparently the apache user isn't allowed in my home directory |
| 03:49.34 | jark | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42008&item=6703576576&rd=1 |
| 03:49.49 | wake | i'm in the process of installing debian on my wife's laptop - what file manager would be good for a new-to-linux user (she doesn't like mc/xnc)? |
| 03:49.51 | Laufer | is there a utility that reports status of filesystem access similar to how netstat reports status of network? |
| 03:49.59 | initech | SerajewelKS: for that to work it needs to be world readable |
| 03:50.10 | hhstno1 | Laufer: lsof |
| 03:50.13 | SerajewelKS | blargh |
| 03:50.25 | Laufer | hhstno1: thanks |
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| 03:51.06 | initech | wake: uh, konqueror, nautilus? xfce? |
| 03:51.09 | SerajewelKS | can i just chgrp my home to apache and chmod o=x? |
| 03:51.14 | SerajewelKS | g=x i mean |
| 03:51.18 | jdrake | is there a way I can get mozilla's 'show file location' to work with nautilus? |
| 03:51.18 | da | someone wanna share his source.list? |
| 03:51.27 | da | my connection is so slow with my current one |
| 03:51.28 | Guerin_ | jark: you need to get one thing clear: debian doesn't control hardware compatibility; the linux kernel does. |
| 03:51.30 | rares | chgrp www-data |
| 03:51.36 | jark | yes of course |
| 03:51.38 | initech | SerajewelKS: err, o+rX if you want it to work |
| 03:51.55 | jark | i am going to install the new easy install debian and i want no problems |
| 03:51.55 | SerajewelKS | chmod o+x works |
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| 03:52.03 | RuffianSoldier | I did it |
| 03:52.04 | jark | network, video |
| 03:52.05 | RuffianSoldier | Cya |
| 03:52.06 | SerajewelKS | but i don't want everyone to be able to chdir to my home |
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| 03:52.16 | Guerin_ | jark: find a hardware commpatibility list (debian might have one, suse and mandraks certainly do) and check each component against those. If they'll work on suse/mandrake, they'll work in debian. |
| 03:52.21 | rares | chgrp ww-data |
| 03:52.23 | initech | SerajewelKS: too bad ... ;) |
| 03:52.42 | SerajewelKS | group ww-data does not exist |
| 03:52.48 | Guerin_ | www-data |
| 03:53.04 | SerajewelKS | mmkay |
| 03:53.08 | poing | drop a knoppix cd in, see if it finds everything |
| 03:53.11 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin_: small point. Assuming the same kernel version. |
| 03:53.13 | poing | don't actually install it to the HD tho |
| 03:53.28 | SerajewelKS | whoa |
| 03:53.31 | SerajewelKS | my httpd got stopped |
| 03:53.44 | SerajewelKS | /etc/init.d/httpd: No such file or directory |
| 03:53.46 | SerajewelKS | whee |
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| 03:54.06 | Guerin_ | scarynetworkguy: obviously. |
| 03:54.11 | rares | does ext3 have additional file perm fields so users can have sub accounts |
| 03:54.20 | bluefox83 | how do i use makepasswd to turn foo into a password? |
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| 03:54.54 | SerajewelKS | makepasswd --string foo |
| 03:55.02 | bluefox83 | oh.. |
| 03:55.21 | SerajewelKS | maybe |
| 03:55.26 | SerajewelKS | depends on what you mean by 'turn into a password' |
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| 03:55.34 | bluefox83 | worked |
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| 03:57.25 | cesdude | hello |
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| 03:57.52 | cesdude | is kernel-source-2.6.8-2 based on 2.6.8.1? |
| 03:58.28 | Guerin_ | cesdude: read the changelog |
| 03:58.56 | Guerin_ | cesdude: I wouldn't expect so, but I can't say for sure |
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| 03:59.04 | peterS | cesdude: yes |
| 03:59.10 | threefold | uhm, im getting dpkg errors when trying to do an apt-get upgrade. says 'courier-authdaemon' returned exit code 1. Ive tried using dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/courier-authdaemon-versionwhatever-it-is.deb and cant figure out how to correct this problem. |
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| 03:59.22 | peterS | cesdude: 2.6.8 -> 2.6.8.1 is *tiny*, btw. |
| 03:59.24 | samuel | anybody know what network "ares galaxy p2p" is on? giFT/gnutella? etc? |
| 03:59.29 | cesdude | Guerin_, thanks...did think of that... feeling under the weather |
| 03:59.40 | Guerin_ | peterS: hrm, why not keep the debian version the same as the ustream version? |
| 03:59.57 | Guerin_ | samuel: ask in a warez channel |
| 04:00.12 | peterS | Guerin_: I guess they consider the .1 a fork of 2.6.8, and our own fork of 2.6.8 happens to have the same patch |
| 04:00.17 | samuel | Guerin_: what are those? lol? |
| 04:00.30 | peterS | Guerin_: similar to having a 2.4.18-ac3 which incorporates 2.4.19-pre5, or whatever |
| 04:01.03 | Guerin_ | peterS: fair enough |
| 04:01.27 | Guerin_ | peterS: so the .1 added another patch which was already in the debian version? |
| 04:01.35 | threefold | how can i go about cleaning up a package that appears to be intalled to dpkg, but doesn't appear to be installed when trying to 'remove' it ? |
| 04:01.47 | threefold | im lost when apt-get doesn't just work(tm) |
| 04:01.48 | peterS | Guerin_: I think 2.6.8.1 came out soon enough after 2.6.8 that the patch probably went in before the debian version ever hit the archive |
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| 04:02.18 | Guerin_ | peterS: yeah. |
| 04:02.24 | netmet | what's the best BitTorrent client for linux ? (console or gnome) |
| 04:02.32 | netmet | or one of the best |
| 04:02.32 | Guerin_ | threefold: dpkg -l <pkgname> gives you what? |
| 04:02.35 | Xenguy | threefold: can you provide details and an example? |
| 04:02.41 | threefold | azureus is a java based client that is great on all platforms |
| 04:02.42 | SerajewelKS | netmet: azureus |
| 04:02.42 | Guerin_ | netmet: bittornado's btlaunchmanycurses |
| 04:02.45 | samuel | netmet: giFT i think has a plugin |
| 04:02.50 | netmet | something like experimental shadow |
| 04:02.59 | Guerin_ | azureus is fine if you have gigs of ram and a phat cpu |
| 04:03.02 | netmet | ok thank you |
| 04:03.23 | pipeline | netmet: Shadow's experimental is quite memory-hungry. Azureus is much more, ah, conservative. |
| 04:03.45 | Guerin_ | pipeline: shadow's experimental what? bittornado? |
| 04:04.11 | threefold | Guerin: doesn't seem too bad to me, although i guess the jvm does use a bit |
| 04:04.43 | threefold | guerin: dpkg -l gave me alot of stuff, what area is important ? |
| 04:05.04 | hhstno1 | teehee |
| 04:05.17 | Xenguy | threefold: define stuff :p |
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| 04:05.37 | rares | er |
| 04:05.37 | Guerin_ | pipeline: I found azureus ate every little bit of my 256MB ram, and was giving me "too many open files" errors running about five isos - whereas bittornado uses ~60MB on about the same load |
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| 04:05.37 | Guerin_ | threefold: dpkg -l <PKGNAME> |
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| 04:05.51 | RuffianSoldier | Uhhh |
| 04:05.55 | RuffianSoldier | How do i set up locales??? |
| 04:05.59 | SerajewelKS | okay this is weird... i can't run ethereal as root because it can't open the display |
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| 04:06.06 | Guerin_ | RuffianSoldier: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 04:06.08 | cesdude | thanks again Guerin_...the changelog doesn't stated that it is 2.6.8.1 but it was released on the 17th |
| 04:06.12 | dsotm | i just upgraded to 2.6.7 and eth0 wont come up automatically anymore |
| 04:06.14 | threefold | i will join the #flood channel b4 i type the output in |
| 04:06.18 | rares | well there goes the last message |
| 04:06.18 | RuffianSoldier | uhhhhh? |
| 04:06.20 | RuffianSoldier | do what now? |
| 04:06.22 | peterS | dsotm: upgraded from what kernel? |
| 04:06.23 | dsotm | if i restart, and manually ifup eth0 everything works fine |
| 04:06.28 | cesdude | 2.6.8-1 was released on the 14th and has the NFS fix |
| 04:06.32 | dsotm | peterS: 2.4.something |
| 04:06.46 | rares | 2.6.8-1 = 2.6.8.1? |
| 04:06.48 | RuffianSoldier | ??????? |
| 04:06.48 | peterS | dsotm: but manually running 'ifup -a' fixes it? |
| 04:06.51 | Guerin_ | cesdude: nice. |
| 04:06.53 | RuffianSoldier | What do i do??? |
| 04:06.56 | SerajewelKS | how do i get ethereal to run as root on a non-root display? |
| 04:06.59 | peterS | rares: 2.6.8-1 == 2.6.8.1 plus other fixes |
| 04:06.59 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: if it is installed, try dpkg-reconfigure locales... |
| 04:07.03 | Guerin_ | RuffianSoldier: can't you follow the instructions? |
| 04:07.07 | dsotm | peterS: no i just did ifup eth0, not ifup -a |
| 04:07.08 | RuffianSoldier | I did |
| 04:07.15 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: then you need to choose at least 1 IIRC |
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| 04:07.18 | cesdude | thanks everyone! |
| 04:07.24 | RuffianSoldier | but after i select the locales i want, how do i continue? |
| 04:07.27 | RuffianSoldier | it wont let me! |
| 04:07.28 | peterS | dsotm: well, make sure you have a 'auto eth0' line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:07.42 | peterS | dsotm: that's the first advice I'd give anyone. although it would seem strange for this to work in kernel 2.4, if you did not |
| 04:07.45 | dsotm | peterS: but i have it manually defined |
| 04:07.47 | RuffianSoldier | brb |
| 04:07.47 | stew | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 04:07.59 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: hrm, don't recall exactly -- mess around with it some more I guess |
| 04:08.08 | dsotm | peterS: not running on DHCP |
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| 04:08.11 | peterS | dsotm: if you don't have eth0 on a "auto" line in /etc/network/interfaces, then it will not come up at boot time. that's what that flag means |
| 04:08.26 | dsotm | peterS: oh, no crap. ok, ill fix it. thanks. |
| 04:08.33 | SerajewelKS | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 04:08.35 | dsotm | if this doesnt work, ill be back |
| 04:08.38 | peterS | dsotm: right |
| 04:09.03 | Guerin_ | SerajewelKS: try starting it with sudo? |
| 04:09.07 | RuffianSoldier | I just messed around |
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| 04:09.19 | RuffianSoldier | i cant do 'ok', i can only select locales |
| 04:09.21 | Guerin_ | SerajewelKS: the real answer is to follow the instructions in run stuff as root and sux factoids |
| 04:09.27 | Guerin_ | RuffianSoldier: tab |
| 04:09.33 | RuffianSoldier | ok. thanks |
| 04:09.50 | threefold | Guerin: dpkg -l output in #flood |
| 04:11.48 | coywolf | how can i move from sid to sarge? can i down grade? |
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| 04:14.16 | cafuego | coywolf: Not really, no. |
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| 04:14.41 | coywolf | cafuego, i have to re-install the whole system? |
| 04:14.51 | cafuego | coywolf: That's the easiest solution, yes. |
| 04:15.00 | coywolf | :( |
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| 04:17.11 | Supaplex | coywolf: didn't we go over this yesterday? |
| 04:17.21 | coywolf | Supaplex, ? |
| 04:17.23 | coywolf | what |
| 04:17.42 | Supaplex | unless this is a bad case of dejavu |
| 04:18.17 | coywolf | Supaplex, what do you mean? |
| 04:18.26 | coywolf | Supaplex, what's go over yesterday? |
| 04:18.37 | zinx | haha wow |
| 04:18.42 | zinx | the sarge installer -is- slow |
| 04:19.16 | Guerin_ | zinx: ehh, it's not as slow as the Deadrat installer :P |
| 04:19.24 | coywolf | is unstable always named sid ? |
| 04:19.39 | goodtimes | what is a cyron proc? |
| 04:19.43 | goodtimes | never heard of them |
| 04:19.48 | Guerin_ | coywolf: YES, as we explained repeatedly yesterday |
| 04:19.49 | Xenguy | coywolf: yes |
| 04:20.10 | Guerin_ | you mean cyrix? |
| 04:20.37 | RuffianSoldier | ya |
| 04:20.38 | RuffianSoldier | sorry |
| 04:20.45 | RuffianSoldier | its pretty lame |
| 04:20.47 | coywolf | Guerin_, Xenguy btw, i want to maintain mozilla-firefox in chinese. but i have never met any debian member yet |
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| 04:21.22 | Guerin_ | coywolf: where do you live? |
| 04:22.11 | coywolf | Guerin_, dalian |
| 04:22.27 | Guerin_ | coywolf: coywolf southern (or eastern?) central china? |
| 04:22.57 | amd64 | can any one help me solve sylpheed problem. sylpheed download messeges but does not display readable characters. i tried sylpheed-gtk but doesnot connect to server ? |
| 04:23.03 | coywolf | Guerin_, http://greatcn.org/~coywolf/ |
| 04:23.04 | SerajewelKS | is lame available on debian? |
| 04:23.10 | Guerin_ | !lame |
| 04:23.10 | dpkg | somebody said lame was : Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder at http://www.mp3dev.org/ mirrored at http://lame.sourceforge.net/ which contains debian build instructions, to make your own debs from the tarballs. Versions 3.81 onwards are LGPL!. or don't forget to 'chmod +x debian/rules'. Get .debs from here: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ or ask me about <marillat> or <rarewares> |
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| 04:23.24 | amd64 | I am using amd64 alioth net install |
| 04:23.33 | coywolf | Guerin_, see ? |
| 04:23.34 | Guerin_ | ah, northeast |
| 04:23.35 | SerajewelKS | how come there's no debian package for it? |
| 04:23.42 | SerajewelKS | i mean on the package servers |
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| 04:24.07 | Guerin_ | coywolf: read the new maintainers guide, post on -devel I guess. |
| 04:24.24 | Guerin_ | SerajewelKS: it's patent-encumbered; all mp3 encoders are |
| 04:24.25 | coywolf | Guerin_, it's Liaodong Peninsula |
| 04:24.34 | Guerin_ | coywolf: yeah, so I see |
| 04:25.04 | coywolf | Guerin_, give me a link of the new guide |
| 04:25.09 | aguzman | Im using sarge (testing), when they come out with the sarge stable, will I have to reinstall OS? |
| 04:25.11 | Guerin_ | !nm guide |
| 04:25.12 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 04:25.20 | Guerin_ | aguzman: absolutely not. |
| 04:25.36 | aguzman | how will I update then to sarge |
| 04:25.42 | Guerin_ | aguzman: just make sure yourr sources read "sarge" not "testing" and you'll go stable when sarge does. |
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| 04:26.04 | Guerin_ | aguzman: if you prefer to stay on the testing branch, make sure they say "testing" |
| 04:26.10 | samuel | anyone know where to put the templates for nautilus? |
| 04:26.16 | aguzman | guerin im lost |
| 04:26.32 | aguzman | is ther a manual I can follow on how to do those updates |
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| 04:26.40 | Guerin_ | coywolf: you're not so far from me |
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| 04:26.51 | Guerin_ | coywolf: though I'm not a debian developer. |
| 04:27.03 | Guerin_ | coywolf: and there is that pesky North Korea thing between us. |
| 04:27.11 | threefold | uhm, in my syslog file *when my headless machine reboot itself* it lists this line |
| 04:27.12 | threefold | syslogd 1.4.1#10: restart. |
| 04:27.14 | threefold | how do i find out more about this ? |
| 04:27.17 | coywolf | Guerin_, where's you? to maintain a package, one have to be a developer |
| 04:28.45 | coywolf | Guerin_, are you in korea or japan? |
| 04:28.49 | Guerin_ | coywolf: I'm in Daesan, South Korea ... about 500km southeast |
| 04:29.21 | coywolf | Guerin_, good, we are so near :) |
| 04:29.21 | zignig | Guerin_: did you read that the US is going to hold some war games off the coast if NK in october ? |
| 04:29.42 | Guerin_ | zignig: yeah, briefly. |
| 04:29.53 | RuffianSoldier | Uhhh |
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| 04:29.56 | RuffianSoldier | Im having a problem |
| 04:29.57 | zignig | Guerin_: eek. |
| 04:30.00 | Guerin_ | zignig: the cynic in me says it's a last-ditch pre-election gambit. |
| 04:30.17 | Guerin_ | zignig: in any case, it's a really fucking stupid idea. |
| 04:30.20 | zignig | Guerin_: that will be rolling out uncle Bin 25th oct. |
| 04:30.24 | zignig | Guerin_: ;) |
| 04:30.31 | RuffianSoldier | I left the desk cuz it was unpacking all this stuff and it was taking a while, so i go back, and the screen is black! |
| 04:30.46 | RuffianSoldier | This is making me mad |
| 04:30.50 | Guerin_ | RuffianSoldier: hit a key to disable the screen blanker? |
| 04:30.59 | RuffianSoldier | its just blank |
| 04:31.03 | RuffianSoldier | I hit a key |
| 04:31.14 | RuffianSoldier | I just want Linux |
| 04:31.30 | RuffianSoldier | this is way to confusing for a friggen OS |
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| 04:33.17 | RuffianSoldier | brb |
| 04:33.24 | jark | will a matrox millenium work in a modern board in a pci slot? |
| 04:33.25 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: you need to develop *patience* if you are going to DIY (do-it-yourself) |
| 04:34.04 | aguzman | I have no sound |
| 04:34.05 | Guerin_ | jark: why wouldn't it? It's all PCI... |
| 04:34.10 | aguzman | can some one help me out |
| 04:34.15 | Guerin_ | aguzman: details. |
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| 04:34.33 | cievo | all..hello :) |
| 04:34.34 | jark | just making sure :) |
| 04:34.48 | aguzman | I inserted a cd and went to the cd player program and it shows that is playing but I dont hear anything |
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| 04:35.04 | aguzman | and im not d eaf |
| 04:35.07 | cievo | aguzman: turn the speakers on :) |
| 04:35.11 | aguzman | lol |
| 04:35.13 | infinity_ | aguzman: check the mixer |
| 04:35.17 | RuffianSoldier | Im trying to be patient |
| 04:35.19 | aguzman | ok let me try that |
| 04:35.20 | aguzman | lol |
| 04:35.25 | cievo | :) |
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| 04:35.47 | RuffianSoldier | Im gonna switch to Mandrake if i cant get this to work |
| 04:35.49 | Guerin_ | aguzman: also check your mixer volume - alsa is muted by default |
| 04:35.49 | RuffianSoldier | brb |
| 04:35.56 | infinity_ | aguzman: make sure its not muted. sometimes with alsa you have to move the vol. around to get it going. duno why. |
| 04:35.58 | Guerin_ | !pity RuffianSoldier |
| 04:36.01 | dpkg | I pity da fool RuffianSoldier! |
| 04:36.03 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: it's a (long) learning process - trust me :-) |
| 04:36.19 | dserban_ | Haha. Mandrake :x |
| 04:36.25 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: for any linux I mean |
| 04:36.29 | xsdg | RuffianSoldier: was there any disk activity when you came back? |
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| 04:37.05 | infinity_ | we all think mandrake is shit, but then again. you're in #debian :) |
| 04:37.29 | aguzman | I have a createive extigy sound card |
| 04:37.30 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: If you don't enjoy learning how to wean yourself off windoze, even if that means significant effort, then you will find yourself frustrated |
| 04:37.30 | dserban_ | Indoobidably. |
| 04:37.31 | opqdonut | btw, why does debian claculate module dependencies on every boot, other distros i've used don't |
| 04:37.34 | aguzman | is an external sound card |
| 04:37.59 | aguzman | how can I test |
| 04:38.05 | aguzman | if is working |
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| 04:38.21 | infinity_ | RuffianSoldier: some people here use debian all day long, but not on their desktop. Linux is not for everyone on the desktop. |
| 04:38.22 | Guerin_ | aguzman: mpg321 foo.mp3 - no errors, means it's working |
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| 04:38.48 | mwilson | opqdonut: Describe one that doesn't. |
| 04:38.59 | mwilson | opqdonut: Better, describe a reason not to. |
| 04:39.02 | RuffianSoldier | Im running WIndows XP Pro on my main system, i just want this old PC to run Linux |
| 04:39.06 | opqdonut | slackware 9.1 and redhat 7.2 |
| 04:39.12 | RuffianSoldier | brb |
| 04:39.16 | cievo | RuffianSoldier: linux is for people who love and understand PC :) |
| 04:39.18 | aguzman | mpg321 foo.mp3 command not found |
| 04:39.24 | mwilson | RH does, who cares what Snacky does? |
| 04:39.26 | Guerin_ | opqdonut: it might be that other distros don't show you the MESSAGE at boot, but that's a pretty fundamental part of the boot process right there. |
| 04:39.30 | opqdonut | mwilson: i thought once per kernel was enough |
| 04:39.42 | Guerin_ | aguzman: you have to install mpg321 |
| 04:39.43 | opqdonut | Guerin_: aha. ok i didn't know that |
| 04:39.50 | nailbiter | opqdonut: the user may forget to run 'depmod -a' before rebooting into a new kernel. it can mean the difference between an unbootable system and a working one. :) |
| 04:39.54 | Guerin_ | !free software song |
| 04:39.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, free software song is http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.ogg or http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/Fenster-Free-Software-Song.ogg or http://www.jonobacon.org/music/solo/jonobacon-freesoftwaresong.ogg or not http://www.jwz.org/hacks/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.mp3 |
| 04:40.03 | Guerin_ | aguzman: and grab one of those as a test mp3 ^^ |
| 04:40.05 | mwilson | opqdonut: And if I add or delete modules? Or install one and don't run it by hand? |
| 04:40.23 | RuffianSoldier | I both love and understand PCs, im just new to Linux |
| 04:40.23 | mwilson | opqdonut: You have to remember, people are stupid. |
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| 04:40.51 | opqdonut | mwilson: a good admin can remember to run it, he even remembers to run lilo after updates |
| 04:41.09 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: it means fasten your seat belt dorothy, cos Kansas is goin' bye-bye ;-) |
| 04:41.13 | xsdg | opqdonut: a good admin doesn't use LILO |
| 04:41.17 | Guerin_ | haha |
| 04:41.18 | cievo | opqdonut: good admin uses lilo :) |
| 04:41.21 | jarango | I'm still strugling with renaming *.JPG to *.jpg |
| 04:41.31 | cievo | xsdg: he does :) |
| 04:41.33 | opqdonut | xsdg: why not? IMHO grub is overkill |
| 04:41.37 | Xenguy | jarango: rename or mmv ? |
| 04:41.38 | aguzman | eh |
| 04:41.41 | infinity_ | cievo: not grub eh? |
| 04:41.43 | xsdg | jarango: rename 'tr#JPG#jpg#' *.JPG |
| 04:41.45 | mwilson | opqdonut: You joke, of course. |
| 04:41.49 | aguzman | isnt there a command to see if my sound card is working? |
| 04:41.54 | cievo | infinity_: no grub no :) |
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| 04:41.59 | aguzman | I mean if is working with debian |
| 04:42.00 | opqdonut | mwilson: possibly |
| 04:42.02 | SerajewelKS | xsdg: tr/// isn't what you want |
| 04:42.04 | mwilson | opqdonut: You'd rather listen to all the morons who think they're admins whine? |
| 04:42.16 | Guerin_ | aguzman: ffs, just run the command I told you |
| 04:42.24 | SerajewelKS | rename 's/\.JPG$/.jpg/' |
| 04:42.26 | Guerin_ | aguzman: if it errors out, it's not working |
| 04:42.28 | xsdg | SerajewelKS: sure it is; s### won't handle foo.jPG |
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| 04:42.35 | cievo | aguzman: compile it as an module and load modue :) try to find anything in /proc |
| 04:42.35 | aguzman | ffs command not found |
| 04:42.36 | SerajewelKS | rename 's/\.JPG$/.jpg/i' |
| 04:42.40 | xsdg | (unless you do /i, which is really slow in perl) |
| 04:42.41 | Guerin_ | if it doesn't it's working at kernel level |
| 04:42.42 | infinity_ | cievo: heh. no?? what if you mess up your lilo.conf and you reboot? |
| 04:42.56 | jarango | xsdg: thanks |
| 04:43.03 | xsdg | np |
| 04:43.04 | SerajewelKS | yes but then if you have fooJbar.JPG it will get renamed to foojbar.jpg |
| 04:43.16 | cievo | infinity_: 1. never mess lilo.conf and 2. little knoppix disk and chroot and done :0 |
| 04:43.16 | xsdg | SerajewelKS: true... |
| 04:43.16 | mwilson | infinity_: Nothing. Unlike fscking up grub, you can do whatever you want to the lilo configuration as long as you don't install it. |
| 04:43.29 | xsdg | Xenguy: err... having fun? |
| 04:43.35 | infinity_ | SerajewelKS: wtf. when did rename become a command? |
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| 04:43.47 | Xenguy | xsdg: #debian has its moments ;-) |
| 04:43.49 | Raenk | Can someone help me with my modem. I need someone real patient :p Seems it has a repeated IRQ Please, been trying this for long without success |
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| 04:43.51 | amphi | infinity_: wtf? |
| 04:43.58 | SerajewelKS | infinity_: for as long as i can recall |
| 04:44.05 | jarango | xsdg: can 'rename' work recursively ? |
| 04:44.07 | RuffianSoldier | I think i just did it |
| 04:44.11 | RuffianSoldier | I just need to login |
| 04:44.14 | SerajewelKS | jarango: nope |
| 04:44.14 | infinity_ | mwilson: sorry. i meant fuck up lilo.conf and install it |
| 04:44.17 | nailbiter | jarango: combine find(1) and rename(1) to do that. :) |
| 04:44.18 | RuffianSoldier | i typed in user name and password |
| 04:44.24 | mwilson | infinity_: When someone wrote a rename utility in perl and someone liked it enough to package it for Debian. |
| 04:44.29 | RuffianSoldier | What do i do after user name and password? |
| 04:44.34 | tcsetattr | the rename command is more of a "cool things you can do with perl" demo than a real command |
| 04:44.34 | xsdg | jarango: not by itself; just use find (or *.JPG */*.JPG */*/*.JPG) |
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| 04:44.47 | xsdg | tcsetattr: eh? I use it all the time |
| 04:44.52 | jarango | nailbiter: I tried but I had trouble with pathnames containing spaces |
| 04:44.58 | cievo | RuffianSoldier: hit Enter :-D |
| 04:45.04 | RuffianSoldier | i did |
| 04:45.05 | infinity_ | mwilson: fuck. i never knew it existed. |
| 04:45.16 | cievo | RuffianSoldier: and ? |
| 04:45.16 | RuffianSoldier | it just says this nonsence symbols |
| 04:45.17 | infinity_ | mwilson: i would rename with for in in `ls -1` ..etc |
| 04:45.17 | nailbiter | jarango: 'find -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rename PATTERN' |
| 04:45.22 | aguzman | guz@debian:~$ mpg321 foo.mp3 High Performance MPEG 1.0/2.0/2.5 Audio Player for Layer 1, 2, and 3. foo.mp3: No such file or directory |
| 04:45.22 | RuffianSoldier | and i press enter again |
| 04:45.25 | RuffianSoldier | does nuthing |
| 04:45.30 | Xenguy | jarango: actually there is a FAQ on the (wiki) website (/topic ?) that answers that question IIRC |
| 04:45.43 | nailbiter | jarango: the -print0 will delimit filenames with null characters. |
| 04:45.46 | cievo | RuffianSoldier: ? hmmm... |
| 04:45.51 | RuffianSoldier | brb |
| 04:45.57 | infinity_ | interesting ..rename is part of the perl package. |
| 04:46.01 | mwilson | Gods, how do the Gnomies actually use these crap themes? |
| 04:46.13 | amd64 | any light weight mail client non text that i can use |
| 04:46.37 | Xenguy | jarango: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ShellTricks <-- see #3 and 4 |
| 04:46.44 | jarango | nailbiter: what does -type f do ? |
| 04:46.44 | mwilson | amd64: Somehow I think you're going to look for a long time to find a non-text e-mail client. |
| 04:46.47 | Xenguy | jarango: (HTH) |
| 04:46.56 | nailbiter | jarango: it'll list only files (f). |
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| 04:47.01 | Xenguy | jarango: specifies look for a (f)ile |
| 04:47.02 | tcsetattr | there is also a rename command in util-linux, but debian doesn't use that one |
| 04:47.12 | Xenguy | jarango: as opposed to a (d)irectory |
| 04:47.14 | aguzman | ok this is the error I get libao - OSS cannot set rate to 44100 |
| 04:47.15 | Xenguy | etc |
| 04:47.23 | infinity_ | tcsetattr: do other distro's have rename? |
| 04:47.28 | tcsetattr | in any case, the POSIX standard way of renaming multiple files would be to write a loop :) |
| 04:47.30 | RuffianSoldier | Q2 is my user name, it says |
| 04:47.30 | RuffianSoldier | Q2@q2:$` or something like that |
| 04:48.04 | nailbiter | tcsetattr: a perl one-liner would work, too. :) |
| 04:48.05 | tcsetattr | people got tired of writing for i in *;do mv $i `echo $i|sed 's/JPG/jpg/'`;done |
| 04:48.06 | aguzman | I believe my sound card is not working with debian |
| 04:48.12 | aguzman | but have no idea what to do |
| 04:48.26 | aguzman | is a creative extigy from sound blaster |
| 04:48.32 | aguzman | external sound card |
| 04:48.35 | cievo | aguzman: Switch to Geico and save bunch of money on car insurance :-D |
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| 04:48.38 | RuffianSoldier | ??? |
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| 04:48.41 | RuffianSoldier | Help plz? |
| 04:48.50 | aguzman | no geico in new jersey |
| 04:48.50 | peterS | tcsetattr: and they didn't know about ${i%JPG}jpg? |
| 04:48.53 | SerajewelKS | okay i rebooted after the new non-fb kernel was installed |
| 04:48.58 | infinity_ | i can't get over the fact that i've been using debian for about 5 years and never knew rename existed |
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| 04:49.03 | RuffianSoldier | ??Any Help?? |
| 04:49.04 | SerajewelKS | X still croaks when i switch to a console |
| 04:49.31 | RuffianSoldier | ??Any HelP?? |
| 04:49.33 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: 'repeating' is annoying |
| 04:49.36 | mwilson | rename isn't Debian-specific |
| 04:49.49 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: I recommend you cease and desist (for your own good) |
| 04:50.04 | infinity_ | mwilson: yea, but its in there. |
| 04:50.12 | mwilson | <sigh> I *so* wish mutt was better at IMAP... |
| 04:50.17 | infinity_ | mwilson: its the only thing i use ..pretty much. |
| 04:50.22 | infinity_ | mwilson: i SO agree |
| 04:50.35 | cievo | all...what is a difference between watch -n 1 ls -al file and tail -f file ?! |
| 04:50.40 | tcsetattr | the util-linux rename(1) appears to be completely incompatible with the perl eg/rename - so watch out for which one you actually have |
| 04:50.49 | mwilson | Actually, no, that's not right... it's great at IMAP. The *presentation* of IMAP sucks. |
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| 04:51.01 | infinity_ | cievo: one runs the command over and over. .the other just keeps reading the file |
| 04:51.14 | cievo | infinity_: oki :) |
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| 04:51.16 | infinity_ | mwil: it doesn't cache |
| 04:51.29 | mwilson | infinity_: Which is a very small problem. |
| 04:51.30 | SerajewelKS | Guerin_ : i've rebooted with the new kernel. X still has problems. |
| 04:51.49 | mwilson | infinity_: And really doesn't mean much if you're delivering into the IMAP folders from some back-end, like procmail. |
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| 04:52.03 | infinity_ | mwilson: i find it to be a serious shortcoming |
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| 04:52.35 | RuffianSoldier | What is supposed to happen after you put in the user name and password? |
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| 04:52.41 | mwilson | I wish there were any other clients worth bothering with. |
| 04:52.55 | infinity_ | mwilson: MS Outlook :) |
| 04:53.04 | simonrvn | infinity_: *puke* |
| 04:53.06 | mwilson | infinity_: What about it? |
| 04:53.07 | RuffianSoldier | Ok, so i dont get any helP? |
| 04:53.16 | SerajewelKS | MS Lookout |
| 04:53.27 | Raenk | Can someone help me with my modem. I need someone real patient :p Seems it has a repeated IRQ Please, been trying this for long without success |
| 04:53.27 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: you are supposed to get a 'shell prompt'... |
| 04:53.37 | tcsetattr | Ruffian, the computer screen becomes a 3D hologram projector and sucks you into CyberSpace. At least that's what I think is supposed to happen, from watching TV |
| 04:53.38 | infinity_ | RuffianSoldier: you get a login prompt or X environment loads. |
| 04:53.38 | RuffianSoldier | then what do i do? |
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| 04:53.46 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: a 'command line interface' (usually ends with a '$' sign) |
| 04:53.53 | RuffianSoldier | Yes |
| 04:53.55 | RuffianSoldier | it has it |
| 04:54.01 | cievo | haha |
| 04:54.01 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: type whoami |
| 04:54.02 | SerajewelKS | now type: startx |
| 04:54.04 | infinity_ | RuffianSoldier: so it works. |
| 04:54.04 | threefold_ | doh, re-installed 'bind' due to some problems *after removing /var/cache/bind and /etc/bin* but when I did an apt-get install bind to put it back, it didn't put back the /etc/bind/named.conf file *like in the first time installation* how can i get it to do so |
| 04:54.36 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: and what SerajewelKS said |
| 04:54.38 | cievo | three: do apt-get remove --purge bind9 |
| 04:54.38 | tcsetattr | threefold_, you have to purge it and then reinstall it. Removing config files is a valid administrative decision (though probably a dumb one) which dpkg will not override unless you purge. |
| 04:54.43 | infinity_ | threefold_: dpkg -P bind9;apt-get install bind9 |
| 04:54.53 | SerajewelKS | btw i'm still having problems with X |
| 04:55.01 | cievo | threefold_: do apt-get remove --purge bind9 first and then intsall it again :) |
| 04:55.02 | RuffianSoldier | startx worked |
| 04:55.03 | RuffianSoldier | brb |
| 04:55.17 | SerajewelKS | when i go to a console (CTRL+ALT+F#) and go back to X (ALT+F7) then my screen stays blank and the monitor goes into power-saving mode |
| 04:55.28 | Xenguy | SerajewelKS: I'm not sure if this applies to your situation... |
| 04:55.38 | Xenguy | SerajewelKS: but FWIW -> /msg dpkg install xf4 |
| 04:55.43 | cievo | SerajewelKS: sweet :) how did you do that ? :-P |
| 04:55.55 | infinity_ | SerajewelKS: ooo ..that really sux :) |
| 04:56.11 | SerajewelKS | um by the way |
| 04:56.14 | SerajewelKS | i'm running X |
| 04:56.18 | SerajewelKS | so i don't need to install it |
| 04:56.28 | Xenguy | SerajewelKS: so I now gather :p |
| 04:56.31 | Xenguy | oh well |
| 04:56.45 | SerajewelKS | i need to *fix* it |
| 04:56.56 | SerajewelKS | i had this problem on redhat but i don't remember how i fixed it |
| 04:57.12 | cievo | SerajewelKS: i did too, so i switched to debian :) |
| 04:57.15 | infinity_ | SerajewelKS: ask google about hipnosis. that might do it ;) |
| 04:57.47 | SerajewelKS | thanks for being joking about it and all, but i'd really like to be able to get to a console without locking up X |
| 04:58.07 | RuffianSoldier | I just got a error message "The process for the protical had died unexpectedly" |
| 04:58.24 | cievo | ok people ... good night :) |
| 04:58.27 | cafuego | "protical" ? |
| 04:58.40 | cievo | politican |
| 04:58.41 | cievo | :) |
| 04:58.47 | Raenk | Can someone help me with my modem. I need someone real patient :p Seems it has a repeated IRQ Please, been trying this for long without success |
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| 04:59.16 | SerajewelKS | cat /dev/ttyS0;# does the modem light turn on? |
| 04:59.17 | jarango | how do I search two expressions at the same time using "find" ? |
| 04:59.27 | cafuego | !dict protical |
| 04:59.30 | dpkg | could not find definition for protical |
| 04:59.39 | threefold_ | yay, just found the cause of my unexpected headless machine reboot!!, dodgy power cable connection *ahh, gotta love it when its only simple hardware hassles* |
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| 04:59.49 | Xenguy | jarango: pipe to grep ? |
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| 05:00.05 | Xenguy | jarango: but that may not do exactly what you want |
| 05:00.06 | SerajewelKS | i usually use `find | grep 'pattern'` |
| 05:00.17 | SerajewelKS | i struggled with find's parameters for a while and finally gave up |
| 05:00.24 | Xenguy | cafuego: go cafuego ! |
| 05:00.36 | cafuego | find . -exec grep [a|b] {}\; |
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| 05:00.58 | cafuego | Xenguy: No, it's worse than that. |
| 05:01.03 | RuffianSoldier | this is way to complecated |
| 05:01.10 | RuffianSoldier | Linux was supposed to be better than windows |
| 05:01.13 | RuffianSoldier | so far, it sucks |
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| 05:01.27 | SerajewelKS | RuffianSoldier: if you can't spell, you won't have much success with linux |
| 05:01.38 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: give it up -- your attitude is all wrong |
| 05:01.40 | cafuego | RuffianSoldier: Showing is an actual error rather then inventing new ways to spell words MIGHT just help. |
| 05:01.47 | sheyz | tell me, 233mhz = 686 = Kernel-Image-2.4.26-1-686 no? |
| 05:01.55 | Xenguy | RuffianSoldier: go back to wind0ze - run away! |
| 05:01.58 | cafuego | Xenguy: Set db = Server.CreateObject("ADODB.Connection") |
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| 05:02.05 | jetscreamer | 69686 means intel |
| 05:02.08 | jarango | thanks a lot guys for your help ... |
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| 05:02.16 | jetscreamer | k7 is amd |
| 05:02.23 | simonrvn | RuffianSoldier: it "sucks" because you're having a hard time, and are pretty clueless still, do soe reading, understand what you're reading, ad sooner or later it'll be quite easy most of the time |
| 05:02.25 | cafuego | sheyz: No. Clock speed is not at ALL relevant to architecture. |
| 05:02.29 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: aka "we pulled numbers out of a hat at random and this is what we got" |
| 05:02.35 | simonrvn | RuffianSoldier: first virtue: patience |
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| 05:02.42 | glick | hello |
| 05:02.44 | SerajewelKS | RuffianSoldier: start with redhat anyway, it's good for newbies |
| 05:02.44 | jetscreamer | yeah xchat text |
| 05:02.52 | sheyz | cafuego: its an intel chip |
| 05:02.53 | dondelelcaro | !sacrifice dedrat |
| 05:02.57 | jetscreamer | 686 |
| 05:02.57 | cafuego | sheyz: cat /poroc/cpuinfo | grep "model name" |
| 05:03.02 | Xenguy | heh |
| 05:03.03 | Raenk | Can someone help me with my modem. I need someone real patient :p Seems it has a repeated IRQ Please, been trying this for long without success |
| 05:03.11 | RuffianSoldier | will redhat run on such a slow computer??? |
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| 05:03.19 | SerajewelKS | sure, why not |
| 05:03.22 | RuffianSoldier | Ok |
| 05:03.23 | jetscreamer | don't bother |
| 05:03.25 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: i started with debain, and been on it since. i adminned yellowdog boxen, they're a *PITA* |
| 05:03.28 | RuffianSoldier | I will Torrent it |
| 05:03.29 | glick | excuse me does anyone here use apollon? when i started it says connected at the bottom, but the individual protocols in the info window still say "connecting" |
| 05:03.32 | cafuego | RuffianSoldier: As long as it's a 386 with math copro you should be fine. |
| 05:03.33 | simonrvn | s/debain/debian/ |
| 05:03.42 | Xenguy | Raenk: I wish I could - but I know not how. IRQ's can be a black art (at least for me) |
| 05:03.44 | SerajewelKS | if i didn't start with redhat i would have died trying to set up debian |
| 05:03.53 | RuffianSoldier | 300mhz proc 32mb ram |
| 05:04.03 | RuffianSoldier | btb |
| 05:04.05 | RuffianSoldier | brb |
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| 05:04.25 | aguzman | how can I restart the OSS |
| 05:04.28 | SerajewelKS | coming from windows i needed nice GUIs to configure my stuff |
| 05:04.31 | Raenk | Xenguy: thanks anyway :) |
| 05:04.38 | aguzman | OSS=open sound system |
| 05:04.43 | SerajewelKS | reboot |
| 05:04.48 | sheyz | cafuego: Gen. Intel Pentium MMX 232.108mhz. isnt that PPro ? |
| 05:04.51 | SerajewelKS | or 'lsof /dev/dsp' and kill the offending processes |
| 05:04.54 | cafuego | reboot? wtf for? |
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| 05:05.00 | peterS | sheyz: no |
| 05:05.02 | jetscreamer | some are not ppro |
| 05:05.04 | cafuego | sheyz: No, that's a 586 |
| 05:05.09 | sheyz | hmmm |
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| 05:05.14 | sheyz | ok that explains the rebooting |
| 05:05.16 | cafuego | sheyz: if it was a ppro it would say ppro. |
| 05:05.17 | peterS | sheyz: that's a Pentium. in kernel-speak it's a 586tsc. |
| 05:05.19 | simonrvn | i quickly learned to like console not having any network to install packages, had to carry them over from mock os |
| 05:05.25 | sheyz | thanks guys |
| 05:05.29 | simonrvn | shared partition |
| 05:05.56 | cafuego | i586 GNU/Linux |
| 05:06.13 | cafuego | Mine is 232.726 MHz though |
| 05:06.28 | jetscreamer | exit |
| 05:06.47 | simonrvn | cafuego: the g3 cpu is all set up, including the l2 cache |
| 05:06.52 | cafuego | simonrvn: Neet |
| 05:07.00 | sheyz | you can remove kernel-images just like any other packages right? |
| 05:07.02 | RuffianSoldier | Well it loaded up, but its slow, and obviously kind of corrupted |
| 05:07.06 | sheyz | .. with apt-get |
| 05:07.07 | mosty | sheyz, of course |
| 05:07.10 | sheyz | thx |
| 05:07.12 | cafuego | simonrvn: I'm going to obtains a G3/450 iMac sometime next week. |
| 05:07.14 | simonrvn | 0xa9000000: enabled, no parity, 512KB, +2 clock, pipelined burst SRAM, copy-back, 0.5ns hold |
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| 05:07.27 | simonrvn | cafuego: neat :) |
| 05:07.44 | cafuego | simonrvn: Going to set it up as OSX box though after I replace its deathstar. |
| 05:07.54 | simonrvn | imacs are ok, but servicing them is a chore and a half |
| 05:08.01 | cafuego | my wife is slowly going mental without BBEdit ;-) |
| 05:08.02 | simonrvn | that's cool |
| 05:08.05 | simonrvn | heh |
| 05:08.16 | cafuego | Bluefish just don't cut it |
| 05:08.29 | simonrvn | i know.. |
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| 05:08.32 | sheyz | heh, no 2.6.7 image for 586tsc |
| 05:08.41 | sheyz | oh well, 2.4 it is |
| 05:08.42 | simonrvn | so you build one |
| 05:08.53 | mosty | i saw a case mod where someone took an imac board, and built a mac tower lookalike (about 20% smaller) to mount it in |
| 05:08.56 | sheyz | me and kernels dont get along |
| 05:09.03 | cafuego | sheyz: kernel-image-2.6.7-1-386 |
| 05:09.06 | simonrvn | whoah, trippy |
| 05:09.07 | RuffianSoldier | Screw this, im going to play around on one of these live CDs i have on the power computer |
| 05:09.08 | RuffianSoldier | bye |
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| 05:09.15 | mosty | the guy must have spend a whole day on the drill press... |
| 05:09.24 | simonrvn | lamer... |
| 05:09.37 | simonrvn | mosty: probably ;) |
| 05:09.43 | sheyz | cafuego, thats for 386, I need the 586tsc you just said ... |
| 05:09.43 | pipeline | Given that Windows probably has more IRC clients than any other platform |
| 05:09.50 | pipeline | Why did he choose one reknowned for sucking? |
| 05:10.08 | VileRage | hey, i'm getting a lot of parse errors when ugrading in dselect... anyone know of a bug or somehting of the like? |
| 05:10.13 | cafuego | sheyz: There is exactly NO reason why the -386 won't work. |
| 05:10.15 | simonrvn | other than mirc you mean? ;) |
| 05:10.17 | mwilson | cafuego: What is it with you and the Mac all of a sudden? |
| 05:10.32 | sheyz | correction: Windows has the most buggy IRC Clients then any other platform. |
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| 05:10.38 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 05:11.18 | cafuego | mwilson: Eh? |
| 05:11.34 | sussudio | !macsmite cafuego |
| 05:11.52 | cafuego | !say sussudio is on ignore |
| 05:11.52 | dpkg | sussudio is on ignore |
| 05:12.53 | cafuego | mwilson: There has always been me & macs. |
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| 05:13.00 | sussudio | big macs. |
| 05:13.13 | Sandman | r fattening |
| 05:13.37 | sheyz | are never fresh |
| 05:13.49 | Sandman | im still on my PDAusing an inadequate version of putty |
| 05:14.07 | sheyz | and a broken space bar |
| 05:14.19 | Sandman | in the middle of fscking nowhere=) |
| 05:14.20 | simonrvn | and ENOCONTEXT |
| 05:14.30 | aguzman | When I go to volume control it shows OSS and not ALSA |
| 05:14.37 | aguzman | how can I switch to ALSA |
| 05:14.40 | Sandman | im not usinG a keyboard |
| 05:14.45 | simonrvn | aguzman: so load the alsa modules then, duh |
| 05:14.53 | Sandman | using an on-screen keyboaard |
| 05:14.54 | cafuego | aguzman: make sure the OOS drivers don't load and make sure the ALSA ones do. |
| 05:15.06 | Sandman | with No alt-key |
| 05:15.08 | aguzman | how how how |
| 05:15.13 | aguzman | is there a manual |
| 05:15.18 | aguzman | im new at this |
| 05:15.20 | cafuego | aguzman: Undoubtedly. |
| 05:15.30 | cafuego | aguzman: try 'modconf' |
| 05:15.34 | cafuego | (as root) |
| 05:15.38 | simonrvn | aguzman: you can't have 2 sets of modules use the same resources... the first one to grab them is going to be the one you're using. |
| 05:15.47 | aguzman | ok |
| 05:15.48 | mosty | what is the difference between the php4-cgi and php4-cli packages in sid? |
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| 05:16.04 | sheyz | here goes the reboot ... |
| 05:16.05 | aguzman | so I have to change the kernel module |
| 05:16.12 | cafuego | mosty: php4-cgi print a text/html content ehader by default. |
| 05:16.18 | simonrvn | unload the oss mods and load the alsa ones |
| 05:16.39 | aguzman | modconf didnt work |
| 05:16.40 | mosty | cafuego, i don't see why that warrants a whole new package, there's a command line flag to turn it off |
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| 05:16.48 | cafuego | mosty: Indeed (-q) |
| 05:17.00 | simonrvn | upstream |
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| 05:17.14 | sheyz | :0 |
| 05:17.18 | mosty | cafuego, are there any other differences? if not someone should file a bug |
| 05:17.22 | cafuego | mosty: Maybe by having a seperate binary you can have a separate ini file and thus enable register_argv_argc ONLY for the cli one without affecting the cgi. |
| 05:17.39 | cafuego | ... to hazard but a guess |
| 05:17.50 | aguzman | how can I load my kernel source |
| 05:17.52 | simonrvn | cafuego: one of the reasons, yes - i'm sure upstream has info on this |
| 05:17.55 | aguzman | they are not there |
| 05:17.56 | cafuego | ... and specify different extensions. |
| 05:17.57 | mwilson | mosty: Why haven't you, then? |
| 05:18.16 | mosty | mwilson, because i just noticed this, and i'm not sure if anyone else considers it a bug |
| 05:18.17 | simonrvn | mosty: you'll get a sound scolding if you do, by the maint |
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| 05:18.32 | simonrvn | read the changelog... |
| 05:18.42 | mwilson | I don't know how there being a package you don't think should exist would qualify as a bug. |
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| 05:19.07 | aguzman | can I remove oss and the module |
| 05:19.08 | aguzman | how |
| 05:19.17 | cafuego | mosty: php4-cgi will also require httpd, whereas -cli won't. |
| 05:19.20 | mosty | mwilson, well what other forum is there for registering silliness besides the bts? |
| 05:19.22 | aguzman | can I load alsa and the module |
| 05:19.23 | aguzman | how |
| 05:19.28 | simonrvn | you have to stop any processes using the modules |
| 05:19.36 | aguzman | none |
| 05:19.41 | cafuego | mosty: Installing apache to run a comd line script would be a bit dumb |
| 05:19.47 | aguzman | then |
| 05:19.49 | sheyz | laters guys, cafuego, thanks for the help, as usual. |
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| 05:19.57 | cafuego | !tell aguzman -about return |
| 05:20.03 | mosty | cafuego, php4-cgi should just provide deps then |
| 05:20.09 | VileRage | hmm, every time i remove /var/lib/dpkg/available , and apt replaces it, as soon as i upgrade, it seems to garble it |
| 05:20.17 | mwilson | mosty: debian-user, debian-devel, others. |
| 05:20.32 | cafuego | mosty: And generate how many whinges from people who don't have apache? |
| 05:21.00 | aguzman | can someone help |
| 05:21.09 | dbguru | Anybody here can answer questions about apt-get? |
| 05:21.14 | mosty | cafuego, if you don't want a web server, install -cli ? |
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| 05:21.59 | mosty | cafuego, why shouldn't there be a bash-cgi package that is exactly the same as the regular bash package, except in name? |
| 05:22.00 | dbguru | How do I find out what packages are installed ? |
| 05:22.17 | VileRage | dpkg =l i beleive |
| 05:22.17 | Raenk | Can someone help me with my modem. I need someone real patient :p Seems it has a repeated IRQ Please, been trying this for long without success |
| 05:22.17 | dpkg | VileRage: no idea |
| 05:22.23 | mosty | dbguru, try aptitude, or synaptic, or dselect |
| 05:22.24 | VileRage | lol |
| 05:22.34 | jm_ | dbguru: read the FAQ |
| 05:22.44 | dbguru | mosty - Thanks! |
| 05:22.45 | zinx | Raenk: a what? |
| 05:22.55 | VileRage | is there a known problem with apt or something lately? it updated apt today, and nonw it won't work right :/ |
| 05:23.18 | VileRage | now even |
| 05:23.22 | dbguru | jm_: which one? |
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| 05:23.44 | Raenk | zinx: my modem is recognized, but there's no dial tone, and I think the issue is IRQ related |
| 05:23.52 | aguzman | how can I remove oss |
| 05:23.57 | jm_ | dbguru: it's mentioned in the topic |
| 05:24.02 | aguzman | apt-get remove ? |
| 05:24.06 | zinx | Raenk: why do you think it's IRQ related? |
| 05:24.20 | zinx | Raenk: if it actually says "NO DIALTONE", then it's very certainly not IRQ related |
| 05:24.21 | jm_ | no dial tone usually means you need a proper init string for the modem, like ATX3 |
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| 05:25.00 | Raenk | zinx: well, it says so here: http://phep2.technion.ac.il/goldberg/post-install.html |
| 05:25.17 | dbguru | jm_: "mentioned in the topic..."? |
| 05:25.24 | dbguru | Forgive me, I'm new here. =/ |
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| 05:25.38 | Raenk | zinx: setserial shows IRQ 11 for the modem and then it's listed in /proc/interrupts |
| 05:25.40 | VileRage | gah not again |
| 05:25.41 | VileRage | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 133719 package `myspell-uk': |
| 05:25.41 | dpkg | You are moron #976, VileRage |
| 05:25.52 | jm_ | !tell dbguru -about faq |
| 05:25.57 | speedviper02 | does any one here have cedega |
| 05:25.59 | zinx | Raenk: IRQ 11 sounds like a winmodem, which is almost certainly PCI, which can share interrupts |
| 05:26.12 | jm_ | VileRage: using unstable, aren't we ? |
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| 05:26.23 | zinx | Raenk: if it's not a winmodem, that IRQ probably isn't valid for it anyway |
| 05:26.44 | VileRage | jm: no, sarge |
| 05:26.47 | Raenk | zinx: it is a winmodem. What do you think it is ? |
| 05:26.52 | coywolf | any phpbb experts here? |
| 05:27.00 | jm_ | VileRage: try rm available and /msg dpkg available |
| 05:27.02 | speedviper02 | does any one here play counter strick |
| 05:27.07 | VileRage | my downstairs box runs unstable, and it's having no problems |
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| 05:27.22 | zinx | Raenk: for winmodems.. it could be a lot of things.. missing/broken/misinstalled drivers, or the stuff further down on that list -- minicom would probably help |
| 05:27.36 | VileRage | jm: if i rm available, it doees the same thing again after i try to upgrade adaing |
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| 05:27.41 | zinx | but minicom is a console program and not as easy to use as wvdial, most likely ;) |
| 05:27.41 | VileRage | again even |
| 05:27.46 | jm_ | VileRage: upgrade what ? |
| 05:27.54 | dbguru | coywolf: What do you need to know? |
| 05:27.58 | Raenk | zinx: I have minicom, I dont have any idea how to use it thou |
| 05:28.04 | VileRage | dselect install... apt-get upgrade... anything really |
| 05:28.12 | zinx | Raenk: minicom /dev/serialport |
| 05:28.15 | coywolf | dbguru, what will happen if a user's account isnt activated? will his account infomation stay in database for ever? |
| 05:28.24 | AggieTX | can anyone help a n00b with an install? patience is probably required |
| 05:28.30 | jm_ | uhm you're supposed to use dselect first to create new file |
| 05:28.30 | zinx | Raenk: well, as root, probably better to minicom -s /dev/serialport or watch it complain |
| 05:28.45 | VileRage | jm: dselect, update first, right? |
| 05:28.56 | kerpal23 | <background> im working with a server that has been setup and configured for me by a hosting company. I have no clue what some of this shit is, whats worse is that it is Redhat I know that much. Anyone know what PSA is, im not sure if its plesk related or akin to plesk that its a "Hosting Application" of some sort. If anyone can tell please.. do tell (not asking to ask, asking to tell). |
| 05:28.57 | dbguru | Sorry - I know php - thought phpbb was a typo... =/ |
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| 05:29.24 | jm_ | VileRage: /msg dpkg available |
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| 05:29.33 | VileRage | tanks |
| 05:29.46 | Raenk | zinx: minicom -s /dev/serialport <---- exactly typed ? |
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| 05:30.04 | VileRage | hmm... i get another error when i do that... |
| 05:30.08 | Raenk | zinx: or seriaport should be substitute ? |
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| 05:30.13 | AggieTX | can anyone help a n00b with an install? patience is probably required |
| 05:30.14 | VileRage | looks like it's segfaulting |
| 05:30.26 | dbguru | Kerpal23: Why does your head shake? |
| 05:30.45 | VileRage | when i try that |
| 05:31.03 | coywolf | dbguru, what's dcc chat? |
| 05:31.35 | zinx | Raenk: serialport should be substituted :) |
| 05:31.43 | AggieTX | is no one available to help? |
| 05:31.48 | kerpal23 | dbguru: phpbb is so popular, you shouldn't have had a problem enumerating it to a forum application. also just about every php application within the open source community is named phpSomething or somethingPHP |
| 05:31.56 | Raenk | zinx: can be /dev/modem or should be the real one ? |
| 05:31.57 | MerlinCorey | coywolf: it's direct client to client chat over IRC |
| 05:31.59 | dbguru | Coywolf - DCC = Direct Client 2 Client. |
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| 05:32.38 | AggieTX | no one? |
| 05:32.57 | VileRage | aggie: what's your question? |
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| 05:33.12 | MerlinCorey | coywolf: and if you know what's good for you, you'll be hoping DCC2 pans out, since mIRC is just about the *only* IRC client that isn't a part of the DCC2 initiative :) |
| 05:33.20 | coywolf | dbguru, i pushed accept, but nothing happne MerlinCorey |
| 05:33.24 | Raenk | zinx_: can be /dev/modem or should be the real one ? |
| 05:33.56 | dbguru | Coywolf: Let me try again. This is the first IRC I've done in months... using X-Chat. |
| 05:33.58 | MerlinCorey | coywolf: depends on lots of things, like your firewall and client settings, whether you're serving or receiving... |
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| 05:34.08 | kerpal23 | what will dcc2 be? |
| 05:34.08 | MerlinCorey | and reciprocally, theirs... |
| 05:34.21 | kerpal23 | whats the diff? any anomity issues? Whats up with that? |
| 05:34.21 | zinx_ | Raenk: use whatever you used setserial with |
| 05:34.26 | speedviper02 | does any one here use cedega |
| 05:34.32 | MerlinCorey | kerpal23: just a reworking of the DCC protocol allowing for things that would make DCC more useful... |
| 05:34.33 | peterS | you know, if DCC had been defined in 2001 or later, it would have been called P2P |
| 05:34.38 | nailbiter | kerpal23: a draft specification is already up -- http://dcc2.org |
| 05:34.45 | simonrvn | peterS: yup |
| 05:34.48 | dbguru | Coywolf: you see it? |
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| 05:35.03 | Raenk | zinx: ok, done, now I have this AT S7=45 S0=0 L1 V1 X4 &c1 E1 Q0 OK |
| 05:35.16 | Raenk | zinx: and the cursor just laying there |
| 05:35.56 | Raenk | zinx: of course the minicom prompt at the beginning |
| 05:36.02 | mwilson | What is DCC useful for that FTP isn't? |
| 05:36.04 | coywolf | dbguru, no |
| 05:36.40 | kerpal23 | mwilson.. dcc is quicker.. dcc is okay with nat <maybe?> |
| 05:37.10 | tcsetattr | I don't see anything in FTP that resembles DCC CHAT |
| 05:37.11 | mosty | kerpal23, suuuure |
| 05:37.13 | kerpal23 | mwilson: by quicker I mean I can as a server iniaite a file xfer without client having to login or touch me.. i can do a reverse server connection.. you know? |
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| 05:37.37 | MerlinCorey | mwilson: depends on who you ask; on mIRC's forums, they'll tell you DCC is evil and not useful for anything but sending small text files and anything else is beyond DCC and you should be using FTP... |
| 05:37.42 | mwilson | tcsetattr: When was the last time you used DCC CHAT? Warezers use DCC to shuffle crap around... that's what it's used for. |
| 05:37.59 | MerlinCorey | dcc chat is useful for controlling bots securely... |
| 05:38.11 | MerlinCorey | and there are non warez uses of dcc send... |
| 05:38.17 | holycow | actually i want something like dcc to substitute for network file sharing at work |
| 05:38.40 | holycow | i wish waste had more development on linux tho |
| 05:38.41 | kerpal23 | mwilson: dcc is sweet for warez :) |
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| 05:38.57 | tcsetattr | last time I used DCC CHAT was in a game that was mediated over IRC... connecting the players with DCC CHAT and just using the IRC server for public messages. PRIVMSGnig through the IRC server forces you to endure IRC delays |
| 05:39.08 | nailbiter | holycow: perhaps you could drop into #gift. :) |
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| 05:39.29 | holycow | nailbiter, :) k ... hehe never heard of it |
| 05:39.33 | tcsetattr | and it used DCC SEND to distribute the rules |
| 05:39.43 | Manoj | ecartis, mailman, sympa, smartlist any recommendations ? needs are for a single list with a few people that has the potential for growing to half a dozen mailing lists with a few hundred subscribers in some |
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| 05:39.54 | wpostma | Anyone here know how to use the InScript (hindi keyboard layout) on Debian? |
| 05:40.03 | Manoj | sympa looks interesting, but overly complicated, and has lots of bug reports |
| 05:40.04 | MerlinCorey | besides, when IRC came out, there was nothing else but FTP, really :p |
| 05:40.19 | Manoj | usenet |
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| 05:40.45 | kerpal23 | I wish they would bring back ansi :) |
| 05:40.53 | kerpal23 | in IRC that would be sweet |
| 05:40.55 | nailbiter | holycow: i think it's packaged in debian as "gift", too. |
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| 05:41.02 | mwilson | There aren't enough serious uses of DCC to bother with a new specification. |
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| 05:41.09 | kerpal23 | I can draww liness... and boxes and some other stuff boyz.. |
| 05:41.17 | peterS | mwilson: no kidding |
| 05:41.22 | holycow | nailbiter, thanks for the linkage mate :) |
| 05:41.24 | pole | is there anyway to see if my so called usb 2.0 portable drive will work with my board with ehci? |
| 05:41.27 | peterS | mwilson: what it doesn't already do, we can easily do with other protocols |
| 05:41.30 | holycow | i've never seen this b4, looks interesting |
| 05:42.02 | tcsetattr | besides, for "serious" file sharing can you really say that the current fads (Kazaa, Gnutella, etc.) are any better than XDCC? |
| 05:42.04 | kerpal23 | Well, it having SSL/TLS inside of it will only ensure the warez community survives I like that. |
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| 05:42.15 | nailbiter | Manoj: do you need to offer public access to the mailing list archives? |
| 05:42.15 | peterS | mwilson: the only wart in DCC is its non-address-transparency. putting IP addresses in the datastream is unnecessary in this day and age, and complicates life for NAT boxes |
| 05:42.34 | Manoj | nailbiter: I might want to |
| 05:42.35 | tcsetattr | putting NAT boxen in the transmissino path complicates life for protocol designers. |
| 05:42.41 | kerpal23 | ftp should be re-drafted tho |
| 05:42.44 | mwilson | peterS: <shrug> Can't say as I care. |
| 05:42.50 | peterS | tcsetattr: well, that too, but putting an address in the datastream is redundant |
| 05:42.54 | Manoj | at this point, not very likely, but that may happen for one of the other lists |
| 05:42.55 | mwilson | kerpal23: Why? There's something wrong with it as it stands? |
| 05:43.05 | kerpal23 | mwilson: nat traversal. |
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| 05:43.10 | zinx_ | Raenk: try AT<enter>, if it doesn't do anything, something's wrong with your drivers |
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| 05:43.17 | tcsetattr | peterS, if IRC DCC didn't put the IP address in the datastream, there'd be no way for NAT to work with it! |
| 05:43.27 | kerpal23 | mwilson: two nat boxes with a client behind one and a server behind the other can be shitty given a shitty server |
| 05:43.35 | mwilson | kerpal23: Funny, I haven't noticed any particular difficulty. |
| 05:43.42 | Raenk | zinx_: at minicom prompt ? |
| 05:43.45 | zinx | Raenk: yeah |
| 05:43.50 | kerpal23 | I have for every maybe 1-2% |
| 05:43.51 | nailbiter | Manoj: i can recommend mailman, having used it for a little while a year back. :) |
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| 05:43.57 | zinx | Raenk: it should say "OK" |
| 05:43.57 | peterS | tcsetattr: as currently architected, this is true |
| 05:43.59 | mwilson | kerpal23: Then fix the implementation, not the specification. |
| 05:44.14 | kerpal23 | fix the spec. the broken imp is following the spec |
| 05:44.15 | nailbiter | Manoj: http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo is a nice example of a busy mailman setup .. |
| 05:44.15 | peterS | tcsetattr: I hadn't considered the problem of both ends being NATed and trying to open a TCP stream to each other |
| 05:44.23 | tcsetattr | when ip_nat_irc sees a SEND command, it sets up a translated listen port. That's not an extra step, it's necessary |
| 05:44.28 | mwilson | kerpal23: That sounds like a Gnomie... "oh, we implemented it badly, better re-specify it so we don't have to re-implement it." |
| 05:44.34 | tcsetattr | ok, maybe you could /dcc get without it. but not send. |
| 05:44.49 | kerpal23 | mwilson: I say re-spec re-implement its proper. |
| 05:44.51 | Manoj | ok, I'll check out mailman |
| 05:44.52 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: damn straight brother |
| 05:44.56 | kerpal23 | mwilson: but your right real world fix the imp |
| 05:45.01 | nailbiter | peterS: i think you'd need an extension to the TCP protocol to cope with situations where both ends are NATted. :) |
| 05:45.06 | peterS | tcsetattr: yeah, people behind firewalls without DCC filters seem able to GET from me ok. and that makes sense that they would |
| 05:45.18 | kerpal23 | mwilson: then you have 40 imps that have a few commonialities.. then nothing is standard then devs have nightmares.. |
| 05:45.28 | Raenk | zinx: its frozen at: minicom: WARNING: configuration file not found, using defaults |
| 05:45.38 | tcsetattr | GET is like passive FTP, works as long as you can connect(). SEND is the one that has to listen. |
| 05:45.43 | peterS | nailbiter: all things considered, I'd support such an extension not only to TCP but to IP itself. Best if it eliminates the need for NAT entirely. We should call it IPv6. |
| 05:45.51 | tcsetattr | and CHAT goes both ways. Whoever typed /dcc chat first is the "sender". |
| 05:46.00 | zinx | Raenk: well, your modem probably isn't set up right :x |
| 05:46.10 | zinx | Raenk: you sure your winmodem is supported by linux? |
| 05:46.13 | peterS | tcsetattr: i.e. the server. yeah. |
| 05:46.14 | mwilson | kerpal23: <shrug> Warezers have trouble with things as they are. I believe in making trouble for warezers. Thus, I have no problem with the way things are. |
| 05:46.22 | zinx | Raenk: well, it got an IRQ i guess :x |
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| 05:46.27 | Raenk | zinx: no wait, I hit enter at the frozen screen and now I get a menu |
| 05:46.31 | zinx | Raenk: oh |
| 05:46.34 | kerpal23 | nailbiter: yes for legacy.. but lets not fix one pos by making the other pos work better to fix the other pos.. if at all lets take the one and use the resources of the other in the imp and have w3c standards like validators.. and have it a thang to validate your protoca desing . |
| 05:46.54 | zinx | Raenk: btw, it may not be set to echo characters by default either |
| 05:47.14 | peterS | does anyone have a debian potato archive, or part of one? |
| 05:47.14 | kerpal23 | mwilson: I use warez.. but what i like is that they are develpong technology that increases privacy and security .. although they do that opposite as well. |
| 05:47.18 | zinx | Raenk: so when you get to the place you can actually talk with the modem, don't wait for the characters to appear for the test :) |
| 05:47.22 | peterS | i386, non-i386, doesn't matter |
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| 05:47.30 | peterS | archive.debian.org seems to be down and I need something from it |
| 05:47.36 | DateLess | ok guys my x server isnt displaying right because i set it up on sa different monitor and it is out of frequency, any help on getting to the terminal and altering the config file would be great |
| 05:47.40 | kerpal23 | mwilson: just because two sides are warring doesn't mean I cant use my VW cause the germans built it. |
| 05:47.44 | peterS | what I need should be on CD 1 or 2, I think |
| 05:47.46 | Raenk | zinx: right now I'm lost in the menu |
| 05:47.55 | mwilson | kerpal23: So you admit in a public forum that you're a thief? |
| 05:47.55 | Raenk | zinx: what should i do ? |
| 05:47.58 | zinx | Raenk: hehe, usually the default settings are ok |
| 05:48.28 | DateLess | also if there is a way to make it so x doesnt load right away i guess that might work too |
| 05:48.30 | kerpal23 | mwilson: no. I admit that sometimes I will download something first that has 2k price tag so I can say yep I like it. |
| 05:48.31 | simonrvn | kerpal23: thank you for pointing that out, now stfu |
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| 05:48.43 | Manoj | a trol? where? where? |
| 05:48.46 | Raenk | zinx: ok, typed AT and said OK |
| 05:48.51 | peterS | Manoj: I see no troll |
| 05:48.56 | zinx | Raenk: then your modem is working |
| 05:48.57 | mwilson | Why is it trolling to not like warezers? |
| 05:48.58 | helix | I saw the word troll |
| 05:49.01 | zinx | Raenk: i would guess init strings |
| 05:49.02 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: nice refrence |
| 05:49.05 | helix | and decided to look ominously just in case |
| 05:49.11 | simonrvn | mwilson: *shrug* |
| 05:49.14 | kerpal23 | ~lart sussudio |
| 05:49.18 | zinx | Raenk: edit /etc/wvdial.conf as the URL you pointed me to says |
| 05:49.42 | peterS | there are disadvantages to having a highlight on a word like 'troll' |
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| 05:49.47 | peterS | I can imagine a lot of false positives |
| 05:49.49 | Raenk | zinx: it's set, not the country code thou as I can't get it right |
| 05:49.59 | helix | peterS: no highlight, just .. timing :) |
| 05:50.03 | peterS | ahhh |
| 05:50.03 | simonrvn | peterS: unless it's your nick or something :P |
| 05:50.06 | helix | peterS: the caps caught my attention |
| 05:50.07 | peterS | simonrvn: ha |
| 05:50.10 | peterS | helix: right |
| 05:50.12 | Raenk | zinx: dont know the exact syntax for it |
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| 05:50.36 | kerpal23 | mwilson: your still my idol :) |
| 05:50.36 | Raenk | zinx: but still remains the IRQ repeated issue, does it matter ? |
| 05:50.47 | zinx | Raenk: there is no IRQ repeated issue |
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| 05:50.56 | ChrisW | hiya, how in procmail can I send a copy of all mail I receive to another address? |
| 05:51.08 | ChrisW | (so that it appears as if the mail had been sent to the other address) |
| 05:51.10 | zinx | Raenk: your modem is a PCI card, which can share interrupts with other PCI devices |
| 05:51.11 | helix | peterS: I'm surprised that I don't have gpm on _any_ of my boxes |
| 05:51.22 | peterS | helix: oh well |
| 05:51.27 | ChrisW | (yes, I finally got a gmail account and wanan try it out ;-) ) |
| 05:51.27 | kerpal23 | ChrisW: should be easy in google "email forward procmail" |
| 05:51.28 | helix | I tried :( |
| 05:51.35 | helix | ChrisW: you'll be disappointed |
| 05:51.38 | helix | like |
| 05:51.38 | zinx | Raenk: the IRQ being used by more than one device was a problem back in the ISA days, with ISA modems/serial ports |
| 05:51.39 | ChrisW | why? |
| 05:51.44 | helix | the emails you'll get will still be boring |
| 05:51.48 | zinx | Raenk: you don't have to worry about it :) |
| 05:51.50 | jm_ | ChrisW: it's in man procmailex |
| 05:51.51 | simonrvn | ChrisW: read the ToS first |
| 05:52.04 | helix | I don't even use gmail for anything and I already got spam |
| 05:52.06 | ChrisW | simonrvn: did, didn't see anything too obnoxious... what didn't you like? |
| 05:52.07 | kerpal23 | simonrvn: gmail ToS? |
| 05:52.07 | mwilson | Gods, I despise exim4. |
| 05:52.09 | helix | which is pathetic |
| 05:52.14 | peterS | helix: thanks. everyone else in channel ignored me |
| 05:52.21 | Raenk | zinx: even if the other one sharing it isn't pc device ? it's the on-board ethernet |
| 05:52.27 | mwilson | But you have to have an advanced degree in obscure to understand how to set up postfix. |
| 05:52.29 | holycow | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.32 | holycow | XD |
| 05:52.34 | sussudio | debian.log.20040621.gz:[10:36] kerpal_troll (~kerpal3@dialup-4.247.197.190.Dial1.Tampa1.Level3.net) joined #debian. |
| 05:52.39 | sussudio | :-| |
| 05:52.40 | zinx | Raenk: the onboard ethernet _IS_ most likely a PCI device |
| 05:52.45 | peterS | holycow: do *you* have a potato archive, by any chance? on CD, or otherwise? |
| 05:52.46 | zinx | Raenk: it doesn't have to be a card to be PCI |
| 05:52.49 | jm_ | peterS: we have Debian CD-s |
| 05:53.01 | zinx | Raenk: it's just a PCI device built in to the motherboard :) |
| 05:53.03 | helix | peterS: what's so special about potato gpm? (just curious) |
| 05:53.05 | peterS | jm_: debian 2.2? I just need one 140k package, any architecture |
| 05:53.08 | Raenk | zinx: oh ok, can you help me with the strings ? |
| 05:53.11 | ChrisW | oh, and helix, the mails I get are far from boring :-) |
| 05:53.14 | jm_ | peterS: everything since 1.3 |
| 05:53.17 | simonrvn | ChrisW: oh i guess targetted ads don't annoy you already enough? it's bad enough ... oh fuck it... if you don't see what's going on in front of you, there's no point in me talking about it. |
| 05:53.22 | zinx | Raenk: not really.. never used wvdial so i don't know what it's expecting |
| 05:53.23 | helix | ChrisW: then it's a shame they will be archived by google forever.. |
| 05:53.29 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: I can't remember the name but there is the one site that has old packages.... |
| 05:53.37 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: archive.debian.org. it's down. |
| 05:53.37 | helix | peterS: your gpmshake doesn't bring all the boys to the yard |
| 05:53.48 | ChrisW | simonrvn: well, I don't actually mind google adding targetted ads |
| 05:53.52 | Raenk | zinx: I've tried ppp also with same result |
| 05:53.52 | peterS | jm_: could you extract the gpm packages from potato and maybe slink? any architecture. I want to check the /usr/sbin/gpmconfig from those |
| 05:53.57 | ChrisW | I've elarned to ignore them, except the ones that are useful |
| 05:53.58 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: heh I suck |
| 05:54.03 | ChrisW | and the few that ARE useful have been supplied by google |
| 05:54.12 | zinx | Raenk: sure your phone line is plugged in to the right jack? |
| 05:54.16 | ChrisW | I fully expect them to start charging to remove thme at some point |
| 05:54.22 | ChrisW | so what am I missing? :-S |
| 05:54.24 | Raenk | zinx: sure :) |
| 05:54.35 | Raenk | zinx: by the way, how do I exit minicom ? |
| 05:54.38 | jm_ | peterS: sure, let me see if any of the machines with Debian ar eup and running so I don't have to wait to get the CD-s |
| 05:54.41 | sussudio | " e-Jihad Begins Thursday, Internet Predicted to Melt Down by Mid-day" |
| 05:54.46 | peterS | jm_: that would be wonderful |
| 05:54.47 | sussudio | :-P |
| 05:54.51 | zinx | Raenk: i don't remember.. it tells you how to get help on the status line though |
| 05:55.02 | zinx | Raenk: i think it's ctrl-A x or something |
| 05:55.05 | peterS | jm_: I'm trying to track down what I think is a very old bug in gpmconfig. I want to confirm that it really *is* a very old bug |
| 05:55.10 | sussudio | http://isc.sans.org/diary.php |
| 05:55.27 | sussudio | in soviet russia, terrorists DDoS you? |
| 05:55.31 | ChrisW | helxi: I was primarily looking to forward all my mailing list mail there, so I can search it more easily ;-) |
| 05:55.32 | tcsetattr | peterS, http://ftp.irb.hr/debian-archive/dists/ has bo buzz hamm rexx slink |
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| 05:55.41 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: is this the thing where having gpm running used to cause problems with X? |
| 05:55.52 | peterS | scarynetworkguy: nah, much more mundane than that |
| 05:55.59 | peterS | tcsetattr: wow! thanks |
| 05:56.00 | Xenguy | Raenk: here's something for you, FWIW... |
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| 05:56.08 | Xenguy | Raenk: /usr/sbin/chat -v TIMEOUT 3 '' 'AT S7=45 S0=0 M0 V1 X4 &c1 E1 Q0' OK '' |
| 05:56.12 | scarynetworkguy | peterS: and yet again I suck. I'm just going to shut up now. :) |
| 05:56.15 | peterS | helix: and thank *you* for spanking the channel. your touch, as always, did the trick |
| 05:56.21 | Xenguy | Raenk: I don't know if that modem string will help or not... |
| 05:56.22 | helix | I'm magic. |
| 05:56.26 | peterS | yeah |
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| 05:56.31 | Phated | ~.- Spanking. And I missed it. :| |
| 05:56.36 | peterS | somehow, magically, people in #debian pay attention to you (: |
| 05:56.37 | Xenguy | Raenk: but I dug it up from an old file that used to work for me |
| 05:56.49 | helix | peterS: you've heard my theory about masochism. |
| 05:56.57 | peterS | dunno if I have or not |
| 05:56.58 | Raenk | Xenguy: ok, you got me now, where do I set that one ? |
| 05:57.01 | da | after I did ndiswrapper -i xxx.inf |
| 05:57.03 | peterS | I imagine you have more than one |
| 05:57.05 | da | ndiswrapper -l |
| 05:57.06 | helix | peterS: heh |
| 05:57.11 | da | shows the hardware not presetn |
| 05:57.17 | da | it's sooo weird |
| 05:57.20 | tcsetattr | peterS, I heard you the first time but my Potato CDs are 5 miles away from me right now |
| 05:57.28 | helix | da: are you using a kernel-image from debian? |
| 05:57.34 | Xenguy | Raenk: well, before I go that route and actually answer your question... |
| 05:57.36 | tcsetattr | then I got the idea to google gpm+deb |
| 05:57.37 | da | compiled myself |
| 05:57.40 | helix | tcsetattr: you could've gone and picked them up by now. where is your dedication? |
| 05:57.47 | peterS | tcsetattr: heh, it's ok. this site has through slink, and I think slink has the gpm version I believe is buggy |
| 05:57.51 | mwilson | peterS: Hey, how about this? http://ftp.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be/mirror/archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/ |
| 05:57.52 | da | make ndiswrapper as a module |
| 05:57.55 | Xenguy | Raenk: I'm wondering if a utility called pppconfig might be worth trying ? |
| 05:58.01 | mwilson | peterS: That has through Potato. |
| 05:58.08 | Xenguy | Raenk: just looking it up to refresh my memory |
| 05:58.09 | peterS | mwilson: oh, nice. thanks |
| 05:58.17 | tcsetattr | that's a damn old bug |
| 05:58.34 | Raenk | Xenguy: I used wvdialconf for it |
| 05:58.45 | Xenguy | Raenk: Description: A text menu based utility for configuring ppp... |
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| 05:59.16 | Xenguy | Raenk: well, I recall from the distant past that pppconfig worked for me, whereas wvdial gave a good try but didn't succeed - YMMV |
| 06:00.04 | peterS | jm_: got my packages, in case you're still looking around for those archives |
| 06:00.07 | peterS | jm_: thanks |
| 06:00.37 | Xenguy | Raenk: anyway, looks like your modem is responding, which is good, and now you need to configure a modem string at some point -- so I recommend you try a utility like pppconfig or wvdial first, and use the raw material I provided (modem initialization string) if and when needed |
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| 06:00.49 | holycow | <peterS> dunno if I have or not <-- rofl |
| 06:00.52 | Xenguy | Raenk: I have to get some sleep soon :-) |
| 06:00.52 | holycow | no we're just kinky |
| 06:00.56 | holycow | we pay attention to spanking |
| 06:00.59 | holycow | :) |
| 06:01.36 | simonrvn | foobarbazquux |
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| 06:03.41 | debian | Any socks5 proxy you'd recommend? |
| 06:03.42 | peterS | aww, man, seeing gcc272 in slink gets me all teary-eyed |
| 06:04.32 | jm_ | peterS: ahh OK, I've only found Debian 2.2 machine with gpm right now |
| 06:04.53 | jm_ | debian: socks4-server worked for me in the past |
| 06:05.12 | jm_ | debian: other then that, look at dante packages |
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| 06:05.55 | Raenk | Xenguy: i'm trying pppconfig |
| 06:05.58 | debian | jm_: thanks. I ask your guys' opinions because it's simply too many of them in packages. :) |
| 06:06.00 | polvi | when i put that dir in place -- i login.. but it should not be looking in /root/Mail in the first place! |
| 06:06.16 | Xenguy | Raenk: still here for a few more minutes -- good luck |
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| 06:06.31 | polvi | errr.. i am using courier-imap-ssl 3.0.5.. and when ever i try to login using any user I get "connection refused" on the client and "imapd-ssl: chdir /root/Mail: No such file or directory" on the server. any ideas? |
| 06:06.49 | Raenk | Xenguy: thanks, I'll let you know |
| 06:07.06 | Xenguy | Raenk: I'd be interested to know how it goes, yes |
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| 06:08.51 | jm_ | that gpm talk reminds me to check if someone replied on logitech forums about opening my mouse |
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| 06:11.05 | pole | does anyone here maybe know where i can get a list of usb 2.0 cases i can use with ehci-hcd in linux 2.6.x? |
| 06:11.16 | pole | i bought one and it doesnt work |
| 06:11.18 | cafuego | jm_: Remove screw in bottom, pull top back (there are clips at the front, under the buttons) |
| 06:11.25 | mosty | polvi, do the users have maildirs setup? and why are you reading mail as root? |
| 06:11.46 | mosty | pole, usb is usb. they all work |
| 06:11.49 | jm_ | cafuego: I had no problems with the non-wheel mice, but the ones with wheel don't come off easily and I don't want to break anything |
| 06:11.58 | pole | mosty, not at usb 2.0 rates |
| 06:12.00 | jm_ | pole: then it's not usb-storage compliant or you don't know how to mount it |
| 06:12.06 | Raenk | Xenguy: same thing with pppconfig, gonna try the strings you gave me |
| 06:12.09 | cafuego | jm_: There may be little plastic pins, just wriggle the top off. |
| 06:12.17 | mosty | pole, usb mass storage devices all work the same :/ |
| 06:12.25 | jm_ | cafuego: hmm will try it, thanks |
| 06:12.26 | Wufu | does anyone use the motherboard GA-7n400 pro 2? |
| 06:12.34 | Raenk | Xenguy: although, how exactly do I use them ? :P |
| 06:12.35 | Xenguy | Raenk: nod - I hope pppconfig is at least being somewhat user-friendly |
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| 06:12.47 | mosty | wufu: yes. some people do use that board. why? |
| 06:12.58 | pole | mosty, well, with ehci-hcd loaded, my device gets "Input/output error" and fails to do anything |
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| 06:13.06 | polvi | mosty: i am not, i am logging in as a normal user.. this used to work. I upgraded from stable to testing and it broke |
| 06:13.07 | DateLess | ok i need to know how to view my partitions and open a file from the terminal on a different part |
| 06:13.15 | pole | mosty, when i remove it and let uhci handle the device it works but at low rates |
| 06:13.38 | Wufu | [mosty] because i want to install debian but i don't have the drivers |
| 06:13.46 | mosty | pole, sounds like your usb card/chip is the problem, not the usb device |
| 06:14.00 | cafuego | Ew, an nforce mobo |
| 06:14.17 | cafuego | Wufu: A sarge install cd with 2.6 kernel will do the trick. |
| 06:14.24 | mosty | wufu: what cafuego said |
| 06:14.25 | pole | anyone know where i can lookup my usb controller to see if it is supported by ehci-hcd? |
| 06:14.26 | Raenk | Xenguy: although, how exactly do I use those strings ? :P |
| 06:14.36 | jm_ | cafuego: yeah there is something under the buttons that prevents me from removing the top cover |
| 06:14.38 | cafuego | Wufu: and DO NOT use the sata controller in raid mode. |
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| 06:14.49 | mosty | pole, what kernel are you using? |
| 06:15.00 | cafuego | jm_: Little clips, they generally pop out when you pull the back end of the top back and up |
| 06:15.12 | pole | mosty, 2.6.7-2 |
| 06:15.20 | Xenguy | Raenk: it was part of a 'chat' script that I found, but I was hoping pppconfig would present you with an opportunity to use the initialization strings :-/ |
| 06:15.33 | mosty | pole, that's relatively new, though i'd recommend trying 2.6.8.1 |
| 06:15.35 | thyhorror | Question - how do you get a list of the installed packages ? |
| 06:15.38 | Wufu | [cafuego] i only want to get lan, sata and sound |
| 06:15.42 | pole | mosty, k |
| 06:15.49 | mosty | thyhorror, see the documentation link on the debian website |
| 06:16.00 | cafuego | Wufu: Yeah, Sarge cd. Boot 'linux26' - should see all the hardware. |
| 06:16.30 | Raenk | Xenguy: I incorporated the strings in wvdial.conf and same answer: no dial tone |
| 06:16.37 | cafuego | sil3112A - that's supported - I installed an AMD64 with that |
| 06:16.49 | Xenguy | thyhorror: dpkg --get-selections may help (there are probably other/better ways) |
| 06:16.58 | jm_ | cafuego: yup, just had to lift it with some more force, thanks |
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| 06:17.04 | cafuego | jm_: np. |
| 06:17.35 | Xenguy | Raenk: well, it is definitely a 'trial-and-error' exercise, unless you can find some top-notch documentation... |
| 06:17.36 | cafuego | Wufu: The 2.6 kernel also supports that realtek NIC.. dunno about the sound. |
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| 06:18.36 | Xenguy | Raenk: I could DCC you a couple of the 'chat' scripts I have used in the past, if you think that would help (but sooner or later, I expect you're going to have to start reading the HOWTO(s) |
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| 06:19.22 | Xenguy | Raenk: (I'll be awake for 5 more minutes BTW :-) |
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| 06:39.04 | Raenk_ | Xenguy: sorry, got disconnected |
| 06:39.30 | lostone | How can I figure out whether or not a specific SCSI adapter is supported by the debian installer? |
| 06:39.32 | Xenguy | Raenk_: not a problem - I'm off to get some Zzzzzzzzzzz's |
| 06:39.43 | Xenguy | Raenk_: any luck? |
| 06:39.45 | Raenk_ | Xenguy: ok, me too, thanks a lot |
| 06:39.46 | simonrvn | holy crap, a record |
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| 06:39.49 | Raenk_ | Xenguy: not really |
| 06:39.52 | simonrvn | 19 minutes quiet |
| 06:40.17 | mosty | lostone, which debian installer? |
| 06:40.25 | Manoj | I thought I was disconnected |
| 06:40.27 | Xenguy | Raenk_: tomorrow is another day - you'll get there (I can send you some chat scripts I have tomorow if you are around FWIW) |
| 06:40.36 | mosty | lostone, you can see if it's supported in the kernel that the installer runs... |
| 06:40.51 | Raenk_ | Xenguy: ok, I'll look for you, thanks :) |
| 06:41.18 | Xenguy | Raenk: any time after 8 hours from now ;-) |
| 06:41.28 | Xenguy | Raenk: ttyl and good nite |
| 06:41.39 | sgeigerbot | I have one machine that sets permissions on files uploaded with sftp to 0022 and another machine that sets permissions to 0002. what might be different in the config of those two machines? |
| 06:41.39 | simonrvn | Manoj: long time no see. doing well? |
| 06:41.49 | Raenk | Xenguy: good nite :) |
| 06:42.02 | AggieTX | im a n00b and just installed woody |
| 06:42.05 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: umask |
| 06:42.07 | mosty | sgeigerbot, the umask your shell is using on those machines? |
| 06:42.08 | sgeigerbot | "umask" tells me 0022 in both cases |
| 06:42.08 | lostone | mosty: I use the the beta installer to install testing |
| 06:42.17 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: ^^^ |
| 06:42.23 | AggieTX | but im a kid about having a cool looking gui and would like the newest kde and gnome |
| 06:42.29 | AggieTX | do I have to change my dist to unstable to do it? |
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| 06:42.42 | Guerin_ | AggieTX: you've alreaady had your sid lecture for today, move along. |
| 06:42.45 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: IIRC you can set it in sshd (not sure though) |
| 06:42.46 | mosty | lostone, well the sarge installer has 2.4 and 2.6 kernels available. see if your scsi card has support in the standard 2.4 and/or 2.6 kernels |
| 06:43.07 | Guerin_ | AggieTX: sid has 3.3 = the newest; sarge has 3.2.something = pretty new |
| 06:43.20 | Guerin_ | AggieTX: sarge is unquestionably a better idea than sid for you. |
| 06:43.37 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: I don't see where to do that. I've checked /etc/init.d/ssh, /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and /etc/ssh_config |
| 06:43.41 | Guerin_ | AggieTX: and please don't message me |
| 06:43.47 | lostone | mosty: ic.. is there an easy way of doing that, other than having to download the kernel source and look thru the config? |
| 06:43.52 | Manoj | AggieTX: on the other hand, you could just compile straight out of CVS |
| 06:43.55 | AggieTX | Guerin_: why not? |
| 06:44.06 | mosty | lostone, you could google for people using linux with the same card |
| 06:44.22 | Guerin_ | AggieTX: keeping your questions in-channel is the best way to get help, and a diversity of opinions. |
| 06:44.32 | AggieTX | Guerin_: ok I'm sorry, wont happen again |
| 06:44.38 | Manoj | AggieTX: and thus always be assured of the very latest bleeding edge KDE and GNOME |
| 06:44.56 | AggieTX | a lot of people seem to use that word around here "bleeding" |
| 06:45.00 | lostone | mosty: k thanks |
| 06:45.11 | Manoj | AggieTX: it is a common idiom |
| 06:45.22 | AggieTX | Manoj: I see. |
| 06:45.25 | mosty | lostone, or you could just fire up the installer and see if it works |
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| 06:47.02 | xcyborg | is there a textmode configuration tool for the network interfaces in unstable ? I guess it is, but I cannot find it... |
| 06:47.11 | lostone | mosty: true... im just looking for an Ultra SCSI controller and want to get one that is supported :P |
| 06:47.30 | sgeigerbot | mosty: I'm using bash...and I don't see any issue |
| 06:47.34 | Manoj | xcyborg: vi /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 06:47.36 | Guerin | xcyborg: you mean like nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:47.41 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:47.43 | mosty | lostone, just a cheap controller? or do you need high performance? |
| 06:48.07 | xcyborg | Manoj , Guerin : no, like ncurses-based or something :) |
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| 06:48.29 | Guerin | xcyborg: well,technically both vi and nano are ncurses-based... |
| 06:48.35 | thomas_adam | xcyborg: etherconf |
| 06:48.36 | mosty | sgeigerbot, does umask show the same mask on both machines? |
| 06:48.39 | xcyborg | Manoj , Guerin : I know about editing the conf files manually, but I want to do it via a tui |
| 06:48.56 | lostone | mosty: I want an adaptec other then that I just want it to work :) |
| 06:48.59 | xcyborg | Guerin: :P |
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| 06:49.12 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: "ssh sgeiger@machine1 umask" gives me "0002" and "ssh sgeiger@machine2 umask" gives me 0022. Hmm...I'm getting closer. |
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| 06:49.21 | thomas_adam | xcyborg: Although why you don't just RTFM and use vi, is beyond me. |
| 06:49.28 | sgeigerbot | mosty: see my last comment. |
| 06:49.46 | mosty | lostone, i have used advansys scsi controllers, they seem better value than the adaptecs, and i've never had trouble with them |
| 06:50.25 | thomas_adam | Ah, sgeigerbot and to think you weren't ever coming back.... |
| 06:50.25 | nailbiter | lostone: well, if you've got 'discover' installed, you could always look through /usr/share/discover/pci.lst; it's a map of kernel modules to PCI devices, with manufacturer's names included .. |
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| 06:50.25 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: It's a good thing I never forget. |
| 06:50.25 | JoshTriplett | When building my own kernel, is there any good reason at all to even compile in initrd support? I definitely don't use an initrd with my kernel. |
| 06:50.25 | lostone | mosty: hmm.. can you recommend one that supports Ultra SCSI? |
| 06:50.29 | xcyborg | thomas_adam: I use vi, but I just want to know... I am sure that I used a tool like this in knoppix, and it was not knoppix-specific,, it must be a package for it |
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| 06:50.30 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: some high-school lads in my friend's hometown got prosecuted for sexual assault for doing just that to a lad on his 21st birthday... |
| 06:50.33 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: heh. |
| 06:50.34 | lostone | nailbiter: thanks |
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| 06:50.56 | thomas_adam | xcyborg: I just told you what it was: 'etherconf'. |
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| 06:51.12 | thomas_adam | < thomas_adam> | xcyborg: etherconf |
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| 06:51.30 | sgeigerbot | thomas_adam: See: It would be such a shame if we didn't preserve such poetry for posterity. |
| 06:51.40 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: by the way, you remember my routing problem of a month or so ago? |
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| 06:51.47 | thomas_adam | sgeigerbot: Yes. You do accumulate a lot of crap. :) |
| 06:51.50 | xcyborg | thomas_adam: that is what I'm testing now, thank you |
| 06:52.03 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: only if it has something to do with thomas_adam |
| 06:52.12 | thomas_adam | Ha! |
| 06:52.13 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: well, it didn't really. |
| 06:52.24 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: I could tie him into the storyline, though... |
| 06:52.30 | thomas_adam | Guerin: :) |
| 06:52.37 | sgeigerbot | Guerin: If you do, add a broomstick |
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| 06:52.52 | mosty | lostone, i don't know specific model numbers, a lot of oem scsi cards use advansys chips, they've all worked without trouble for me |
| 06:52.53 | Caimlas | anyone here using swsusp on a laptop? |
| 06:52.58 | Guerin | sgeigerbot: naw, I don't do broomstickery. |
| 06:53.02 | thomas_adam | Caimlas: Rumour has it. Why? |
| 06:53.06 | lostone | mosty: k thanks |
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| 06:53.23 | dataefx | some of these television commercials are totally ridiculous -- like the guy in the centrefuge getting the last drop of steak sauce -- |
| 06:53.30 | sgeigerbot | Caimlas: Is that the actual command name? |
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| 06:53.46 | JoshTriplett | sgeigerbot: Yes. |
| 06:53.57 | JoshTriplett | sgeigerbot: That or shutdown -z. |
| 06:54.09 | JoshTriplett | sgeigerbot: Or just echo. :) |
| 06:54.12 | SlayerXP | morning |
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| 06:54.22 | Caimlas | sgeigerbot: no, swsusp is kernel-level software support for suspend/hibernate. |
| 06:54.27 | sgeigerbot | JoshTriplett: yes, I see now: CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND |
| 06:54.43 | Caimlas | thomas_adam: you have any problems getting your laptop to properly suspend for you? |
| 06:54.43 | thomas_adam | Caimlas: Did you have a question, or are you just taking a poll? |
| 06:54.46 | JoshTriplett | Caimlas: There's also a userspace tool to make use of it. |
| 06:54.50 | thomas_adam | Caimlas: No. Next.... |
| 06:54.59 | sgeigerbot | For more information take a look at Documentation/power/swsusp.txt. |
| 06:55.06 | sgeigerbot | Caimlas: ^^^ |
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| 06:55.30 | Caimlas | thomas_adam: could you take a look at this log for me and point out any discrepencies between what it and what it looks like when you suspend? http://geeknet.homelinux.net/~caimlas/swsusp |
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| 06:55.41 | Caimlas | JoshTriplett: ah. do you happen do know what it's called? |
| 06:56.15 | JoshTriplett | Caimlas: swsusp, or shutdown -z, or just echo. |
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| 06:57.44 | sheyz | heh, ssh problem now. seems when I ssh in, after about 3-5 mins, the connection resets, and then I cannot login, says server refused the connection. But the processes are still there. |
| 06:58.00 | thomas_adam | Caimlas: What command did you use? |
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| 06:58.16 | jasonkb | is the kernel module atiixp an OSS module? how would I make it work? |
| 06:58.20 | sheyz | When I kill the processes, then I can ssh back in, only to have it start over again. |
| 06:58.20 | thomas_adam | sheyz: /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 06:58.36 | sheyz | thomas_adam: Im in there now |
| 06:58.36 | Caimlas | thomas_adam: echo "disk" > /sys/power/state |
| 06:59.00 | xcyborg | thomas_adam: yeah, etherconf just rulez... it messed up my /etc/hosts file :( |
| 06:59.01 | Caimlas | thomas_adam: and I've tried, echo -n "disk" > /sys/power/state, though obviously that's not going to change anything |
| 06:59.17 | thomas_adam | sheyz: You must be very small. What are you set to: sheyz_config=0 ? |
| 06:59.21 | Guerin | xcyborg: you asked for it, you got it. |
| 06:59.31 | Piggy | Aug 24 07:38:12 ferret kernel: hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } Aug 24 07:38:12 ferret kernel: hda: no DRQ after issuing WRITE Aug 24 07:38:12 ferret kernel: ide0: reset: success |
| 06:59.34 | sussudio | :-| |
| 06:59.41 | thomas_adam | xcyborg: It inly rules for the utter clueless who cannot read 'man 5 interfaces'. |
| 06:59.48 | Guerin | xcyborg: there's a reason why nobody with more than 1/4 of a clue uses anything other than /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:59.53 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Nooooooooo. |
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| 07:00.04 | sheyz | thomas_adam: eh? you lost me. |
| 07:00.15 | Caimlas | thomas_adam: I don't suppose you have any ideas on the matter of swsusp not working nicely for me |
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| 07:00.21 | Guerin | sussudio: piggy's hda is dying? |
| 07:00.28 | sussudio | Guerin: *shrug* |
| 07:00.37 | thomas_adam | Caimlas: No, but you might confer closely on the matter of their mailing list. |
| 07:00.59 | Caimlas | thomas_adam: indeed... |
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| 07:01.24 | sheyz | thomas_adam: everything is how I had it set up before I did a reinstall. |
| 07:01.27 | xcyborg | thomas_adam , Guerin : ok, I'm done testing GUIs - swithing to old school mode |
| 07:01.29 | sheyz | and it was working |
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| 07:01.33 | sheyz | I dont know whats wrong now |
| 07:01.46 | Guerin | xcyborg: that was refreshingly fast. |
| 07:02.04 | AggieTX | can anyone help: I am having trouble configuring my mouse in xf86 - the only place I get a response is /dev/psaux |
| 07:02.08 | AggieTX | but the mouse seems to go nuts |
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| 07:02.18 | AggieTX | its a 2 button MS optical mouse |
| 07:02.19 | sheyz | remove gpm |
| 07:02.26 | sheyz | or |
| 07:02.29 | AggieTX | how does one remove gpm |
| 07:02.33 | Guerin | AggieTX: what kind of mouse, what kernel, what version of debian? |
| 07:02.43 | AggieTX | deb 3 woody |
| 07:02.46 | sheyz | one isnt here for me to ask him. |
| 07:02.49 | jm_ | AggieTX: the same way you remove any package |
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| 07:03.00 | AggieTX | 2.2.0r2 |
| 07:03.05 | sgeigerbot | simonrvn: this fixed it: sudo su -c 'echo "umask 0002" >> /etc/bash.bashrc' |
| 07:03.07 | Guerin | AggieTX: if you're going to update toi sarge, do it before bothering to set up X. |
| 07:03.26 | AggieTX | Guerin: I have just decided to hold off on that |
| 07:03.26 | simonrvn | sgeigerbot: yup, cool |
| 07:03.35 | Guerin | AggieTX: err, 2.2.0r2 is what? |
| 07:03.44 | sheyz | what is Priviledge Seperation in ssh? |
| 07:03.45 | jm_ | potato |
| 07:03.46 | AggieTX | the kernel ver |
| 07:03.52 | simonrvn | Guerin: your guess is as good as mine |
| 07:03.55 | Guerin | jm_: so I thought. |
| 07:04.00 | AggieTX | Guerin: my bad 2.2.0 ide-pci |
| 07:04.04 | Guerin | AggieTX: that is NOT a kernel version. uname -r |
| 07:04.05 | jm_ | sheyz: read about it in /usr/share/doc/ssh and on their home page |
| 07:04.08 | Guerin | ah, ok |
| 07:04.10 | AggieTX | err 2.2.20 ide-pci |
| 07:04.17 | jm_ | *AggieTX* thanks, ass (~Bersirc@cdm-24-250-184-81.bcst.cox-internet.com) |
| 07:04.25 | jm_ | yeah people will continue to help you |
| 07:04.39 | simonrvn | jm_: wassup? |
| 07:05.01 | simonrvn | jm_: i just got it |
| 07:05.03 | thomas_adam | Heh. |
| 07:05.05 | jm_ | simonrvn: no idea, the idiot asked how to remove gpm and my reply was AggieTX: the same way you remove any package and I'm being called an ass |
| 07:05.16 | simonrvn | AggieTX: go away |
| 07:05.32 | thomas_adam | jm_: And _are_ you a donkey? :) |
| 07:05.36 | Phated | Guerin: The /lastlog is interesting. |
| 07:05.37 | simonrvn | jm_: i see, he /noticed you |
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| 07:05.39 | jm_ | thomas_adam: I'm about to become one |
| 07:05.49 | thomas_adam | jm_: I like donkeys, so docile. :) |
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| 07:06.11 | jm_ | thomas_adam: yeah and they also have a tendency to kick people from time to time |
| 07:06.15 | AggieTX | this is all quite amusing |
| 07:06.19 | thomas_adam | o_O |
| 07:06.23 | Guerin | AggieTX: I told you about 10 minutes ago not to /msg people, are you just dense or are you purposefully being a tw@ ? |
| 07:06.28 | thomas_adam | AggieTX: Oh, you are hilarious. |
| 07:06.33 | sheyz | apt-get remove AggieTX |
| 07:06.37 | AggieTX | wow |
| 07:06.45 | simonrvn | bubye |
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| 07:07.10 | sheyz | its raining in here |
| 07:07.23 | sheyz | bah, dude, wtf, I dont get this |
| 07:07.27 | AggieTX | Guerin: I didn't message him with any linux information |
| 07:07.28 | sheyz | it was working fine |
| 07:07.39 | AggieTX | Guerin: do you think I should upgrade my kernel |
| 07:07.50 | AggieTX | or should it support my mouse |
| 07:07.51 | Guerin | AggieTX: don't message ANYONE, AT ALL, EVER without permission. |
| 07:08.03 | thomas_adam | AggieTX: You'll find noone will help you now... |
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| 07:08.16 | sheyz | you've been flagged |
| 07:08.18 | Guerin | !tell AggieTX about real kernel ; when you're done with that, /msg dpkg mouse |
| 07:08.18 | sheyz | move on |
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| 07:08.24 | Guerin | now you're on your own |
| 07:08.27 | Phated | sheyz: You mean pinned. ;) |
| 07:08.30 | Guerin | err |
| 07:08.36 | Guerin | !moron me |
| 07:08.36 | dpkg | guerin: You are moron #54 |
| 07:08.44 | sheyz | hah |
| 07:08.50 | sheyz | ok ssh-heads |
| 07:08.53 | SlayerXP | I have a delivery of attitude here, who ordered? |
| 07:08.54 | encode | lol i wonder if AggieTX is from Sydney - i went to High School with a guy as annoying as this |
| 07:09.17 | sheyz | what the h-e-double hockey sticks is going on here. |
| 07:09.17 | simonrvn | SlayerXP: heh |
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| 07:09.18 | Phated | SlayerXP: Nope. |
| 07:09.18 | Guerin | SlayerXP: haha |
| 07:09.20 | thomas_adam | SlayerXP: Must be a welsh thing. |
| 07:09.26 | AggieTX | lol |
| 07:09.30 | AggieTX | later all |
| 07:09.41 | thomas_adam | AggieTX: Don;t let the door hit your ass. |
| 07:09.43 | Phated | Guerin: This kind of thing is global. One in every city, twice that in .us. |
| 07:09.45 | encode | haha yay! |
| 07:09.52 | Phated | Later? No thanks. |
| 07:09.56 | Guerin | so, anyone got any ideas why kprinter is failing to pass sane values to enscript? |
| 07:10.07 | kaeru|work | any recommendations for a good dedicated hosting company in the US? |
| 07:10.10 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Yes. |
| 07:10.15 | Guerin | http://feayn.org/~lewis/kprinter.png |
| 07:10.16 | thomas_adam | Guerin: kprinter --stdin |
| 07:10.20 | Guerin | thomas_adam: apart from the obvious |
| 07:10.22 | kaeru|work | debian of course |
| 07:10.30 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Show me the command you're using. |
| 07:11.04 | Guerin | thomas_adam: I'm not. It happens when trying to print from oo.o via kprinter - it's a remote machine, and it's on 56k so ssh -X is not an option |
| 07:11.28 | Guerin | thomas_adam: cups works flawlessly; it's only printing via kprinter which is b0rk3d |
| 07:11.38 | thomas_adam | Guerin: Well, it is KDE.... |
| 07:11.47 | Guerin | thomas_adam: yeah, that was the obvious |
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| 07:11.55 | jm_ | Guerin: why via kprinter ? |
| 07:11.59 | Guerin | I'll ask in #kde etc as well |
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| 07:12.21 | thomas_adam | Guerin: I wasn't suggesting you ask elsewhere. You of _all_ people know that. :) |
| 07:12.24 | Guerin | jm_: because me mum uses kde, and it's the easiest to set up when you know fuckall about printers and you're not local |
| 07:12.58 | Higo | driver issue: both, sound and ide drivers keep annoying me by loading in wrong order. Is there a sane way / order, beside just ensuring the order manually ( vi /etc/modules or similar ) |
| 07:13.04 | jm_ | Guerin: hmm oo.o should support CUPS fine, it found my CUPS configured printer and I can use it for printing |
| 07:13.18 | jm_ | it actually finds both of my CUPS configured printers |
| 07:13.22 | Guerin | jm_: what version? this one is quite old ... |
| 07:13.55 | jm_ | Guerin: so's mine, 1.0 (some kind of Woody backport from several months ago) |
| 07:14.00 | holycow | oo.o requires the bsd cups package |
| 07:14.10 | holycow | as does mozilla |
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| 07:14.29 | jm_ | holycow: no it doesn't |
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| 07:14.46 | Guerin | jm_: hrm, this is 1.1.0 |
| 07:14.49 | holycow | yes it does |
| 07:15.05 | jm_ | Guerin: it must work as well |
| 07:15.05 | valdyn | .. like, my onboard ide starts at hda in bios, hdi with debian installer, hde w/ my own kernel.. |
| 07:15.09 | holycow | lol |
| 07:15.09 | Guerin | jm_: how's it configured? Is there a happy friendly wizard etc? |
| 07:15.20 | jm_ | valdyn: there's an option in kernel related to this |
| 07:15.29 | Guerin | jm_: or can I just edit some configs? |
| 07:15.39 | sheyz | man tells me nothing about what my problem is.... Im lost as usual |
| 07:15.40 | jm_ | Guerin: tried spadmin ? |
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| 07:15.58 | valdyn | jim_: for ide, or general? recall the name of the option? |
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| 07:16.03 | Guerin | jm_: yeah, it wants X |
| 07:16.32 | jm_ | valdyn: yes |
| 07:16.36 | jm_ | Guerin: ahh :P |
| 07:16.37 | ambiguous | if I want to install my WLAN-Card, he show mit with ndiswrapper -l: w22n51 hardware NOT present |
| 07:16.49 | ambiguous | who have any ideas? |
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| 07:17.07 | simonrvn | true to your nick aren't you |
| 07:17.13 | rj-away | 'lo flevour |
| 07:17.16 | jm_ | valdyn: Boot off-board chipsets first support (CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD) |
| 07:17.21 | scarynetworkguy | heh |
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| 07:17.42 | scarynetworkguy | I have all kinds of ideas. |
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| 07:17.54 | scarynetworkguy | very few of them have anthing to with WLAN cards |
| 07:17.56 | ambiguous | scarynetworkguy: then help me ;) |
| 07:17.58 | simonrvn | fartfish |
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| 07:18.02 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: No, you hush... |
| 07:18.07 | thomas_adam | Libel. |
| 07:18.21 | Phated | Murder. |
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| 07:18.29 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: you never let me have any fun |
| 07:18.30 | simonrvn | dudelush |
| 07:18.33 | Phated | Scalding steam. |
| 07:18.46 | simonrvn | flowing fog |
| 07:18.48 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You're the one who chooses to listen. |
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| 07:19.01 | holycow | oh cupsys-bsd is suggested, but not required for oo.o k. |
| 07:19.07 | scarynetworkguy | heh |
| 07:19.08 | valdyn | jim_: mmm guess my bios is weird, its doing offboard chipset first, while i have # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_OFFBOARD is not set |
| 07:19.24 | scarynetworkguy | murder by scalding steam, sounds good |
| 07:19.27 | jm_ | valdyn: the nick is jm_ and please read the help for the option |
| 07:19.27 | thomas_adam | holycow: Yes. You should listen, we _sometimes_ say useful things amongst the rest of the shit. |
| 07:19.28 | sijis_ | i'm using elinks browser, but i can't seem to d/l php's new source (php-5.0.1.tar.gz) somehow elinks doesn't like that link (i get a blank screen). what can i do? |
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| 07:19.42 | thomas_adam | sijis_: wget |
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| 07:20.11 | thomas_adam | sijis_: Or you could learn how to use elinks properly, of course.... |
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| 07:20.30 | holycow | thomas_adam, anything we can download yet of your bootsplash project? |
| 07:20.30 | Phated | sijis_: Navigate to the link and hit d. |
| 07:20.33 | thomas_adam | sijis_: It works fine for me. |
| 07:20.39 | thomas_adam | holycow: Nope. |
| 07:20.44 | holycow | :/ |
| 07:21.03 | thomas_adam | holycow: Unless you want to wash my underwear for me? |
| 07:21.07 | Guerin | the fucking ridiculous thing is that nothing has changed (config-wise) since it was last working a week or so ago. |
| 07:21.13 | Guerin | !fuck printers |
| 07:21.17 | holycow | is that where you develop? |
| 07:21.25 | Phated | Poor printers. |
| 07:21.27 | holycow | :P |
| 07:21.30 | thomas_adam | holycow: No, but it needs doing. |
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| 07:21.37 | Freeshadow | Guerin, whassup? |
| 07:21.48 | Phated | 0_o |
| 07:21.49 | sijis_ | thomas_adam when i click on the link, i go to a blank screen. |
| 07:21.55 | scarynetworkguy | printing is a dark art. |
| 07:21.57 | thomas_adam | sijis_: press 'd' |
| 07:22.08 | holycow | well, get out of the basement and get yer mom to do it |
| 07:22.09 | holycow | :) |
| 07:22.11 | simonrvn | thomas_adam: TMI |
| 07:22.12 | valdyn | jm_: thanks alot, that should work, though my bios is just reversed to the usual i suppose, no problem |
| 07:22.13 | jm_ | Guerin: the question is why does it even try to use enscript for printing from oo.o |
| 07:22.13 | Guerin | Freeshadow: http://feayn.org/~lewis/kprinter.png |
| 07:22.22 | Phated | not* |
| 07:22.24 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yup helping sucks. :) |
| 07:22.29 | thomas_adam | sijis_: Or, forget elinks and use 'wget' -- wget http://moron.is.a.myth/download/php-foo.tar.gz |
| 07:22.39 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Uh-huh. |
| 07:22.41 | Phated | Yep. |
| 07:22.45 | Guerin | jm_: yeah, I don't know. I had to talk my mother through it using a howto, and I know fuckall about printers, so I'm none the wiser :( |
| 07:22.56 | Gnea | anyone know why the joydev module from 2.6 doesn't work with USB joysticks like it did in 2.4? i get nothing from cat /dev/js0 |
| 07:22.57 | sijis_ | Phated when i press 'd' all i'm downloading is a mirror file |
| 07:23.02 | Freeshadow | thomas_adam, buy this nasty plant which eats flies |
| 07:23.04 | Phated | ARGH. |
| 07:23.05 | Gnea | and google doesn't say a thing |
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| 07:23.07 | thomas_adam | !kernel of gratuitous changes |
| 07:23.07 | dpkg | Linux 2.6 |
| 07:23.11 | thomas_adam | Gnea: ^ |
| 07:23.12 | Phated | The Venus Flytrap? |
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| 07:23.17 | Gnea | !joydev |
| 07:23.21 | Gnea | dpkg: joydev |
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| 07:23.33 | Phated | sijis_: Where are you downloading this off? |
| 07:23.34 | Gnea | that does not help. |
| 07:23.38 | thomas_adam | Gnea: no such factoid. Back to 2.4 - do not pass Go. Do not collect another Tux. |
| 07:23.45 | Gnea | stupid piece of shit bot :) |
| 07:23.49 | jm_ | hmm I haven't tried 2.6 kernel at all yet, but my wheel worked with TORCS in 2.4 |
| 07:23.51 | Freeshadow | Phated, yup |
| 07:23.54 | Gnea | thomas_adam: not an option :) |
| 07:23.57 | Gnea | i just got GLX working |
| 07:24.00 | Phated | Freeshadow: :) |
| 07:24.01 | thomas_adam | Gnea: Of course it is. |
| 07:24.05 | Gnea | nope, it's not. |
| 07:24.18 | sijis_ | Phated i going through php.net |
| 07:24.25 | Phated | sijis_: *sigh* |
| 07:24.26 | thomas_adam | Gnea: Either that, or live without your joystick, or use a game that doesn't require it.. .like moon-buggy! |
| 07:24.31 | Phated | Please hold. |
| 07:24.36 | Freeshadow | lol |
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| 07:24.41 | Freeshadow | moonbuggy |
| 07:24.42 | Gnea | that just means that joydev is broken, and so thus debian is broken. |
| 07:24.45 | Phated | Woohoo, monn-buggy! |
| 07:24.53 | thomas_adam | Gnea: Your logic blinds me. |
| 07:25.16 | Gnea | thomas_adam: i'm tired of 2.4. this is 2.6, it's _supposed_ to work, so i will make it work. |
| 07:25.30 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: don't try to grok it your head will break |
| 07:25.32 | thomas_adam | Gnea: Heh. Then you clearly understand not the troubles 2.6 has. |
| 07:25.57 | Gnea | if 2.6 is so high and mighty then this wouldn't be a problem then. |
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| 07:26.11 | thomas_adam | Gnea: Stop trolling. |
| 07:26.24 | thomas_adam | Gnea: You ought to know better than that. |
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| 07:26.33 | Gnea | i'm just ranting. |
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| 07:26.36 | Gnea | get over it :) |
| 07:26.44 | thomas_adam | ____________ <-- fine line/ |
| 07:26.55 | Gnea | heh. |
| 07:26.58 | holycow | thomas_adam, that time of the month again? |
| 07:27.02 | holycow | you need a bot to warn us |
| 07:27.15 | thomas_adam | holycow: Yes, honey. Now I'm charging £50 instead of £30./ |
| 07:27.15 | Gnea | ROFL |
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| 07:27.22 | holycow | hehe ;) |
| 07:27.32 | Freeshadow | aah i'll a lil bit ashamed, but... since install does not conf my net stuff i have to do it by hand... all and since i never needed to do it before i ve no idea about how. could somebody plz kick me into a kind of howto? |
| 07:28.27 | thomas_adam | Freeshadow: yer what? |
| 07:28.33 | jm_ | Freeshadow: /msg dpkg interfaces ; man interfaces ; apt-cache show etherconf |
| 07:28.38 | jasonkb | where does the initrd.img-blah in /boot come from? |
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| 07:28.53 | jm_ | ohh and cd /usr/share/doc/ifupdown and read |
| 07:29.01 | thomas_adam | jasonkb: stock kernel package. |
| 07:29.23 | zignig | holycow: MOO! |
| 07:29.25 | jasonkb | if I compile my own kernel from the kernel-source package do I not need it anymore? |
| 07:29.32 | thomas_adam | jasonkb: No. |
| 07:29.35 | thomas_adam | jasonkb: /msg dpkg kp |
| 07:29.54 | Freeshadow | jm_ does etherconf do also the wlan stuff? |
| 07:29.59 | thomas_adam | jasonkb: If you compile your own kernel with initrd support, you're doing something wrong. |
| 07:30.09 | streuner | zignig: that was my way to say 'Hi' to holycow, anyway, holycow -- MOoooooo! |
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| 07:30.26 | streuner | :-) |
| 07:30.26 | jasonkb | thomas_adam: heh well i didn't get it |
| 07:30.29 | jm_ | Freeshadow: no, but dpkg will tell you where to configure it when you ask it about interfaces |
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| 07:30.43 | thomas_adam | jasonkb: Well, quite. |
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| 07:31.06 | holycow | hola :) |
| 07:31.07 | jasonkb | thomas_adam: i compiled/installed my own but when it boots it does kernel panic when it can't mount root, I think it may be because it's a reiserfs drive but i'll have to read those docs |
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| 07:31.38 | Phated | sijis_: Were you not around earlier or did you not see what we do to people who /msg without permisson, hm? |
| 07:31.56 | streuner | thomas_adam: you never sleep? |
| 07:32.12 | valdyn | jasonkb: filesystem as module? |
| 07:32.17 | thomas_adam | jasonkb: No, remove ramdisk support, compile in statically block-IE support, and your FS. |
| 07:32.20 | thomas_adam | streuner: No. |
| 07:32.28 | sijis_ | Phated guess not. |
| 07:32.33 | sijis_ | my apologies |
| 07:32.35 | gallus | hi |
| 07:32.35 | thomas_adam | sijis_: /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 07:32.45 | thomas_adam | gallus: psaux ? |
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| 07:33.16 | gallus | thomas_adam: good morning :) still doesn't work |
| 07:33.24 | jasonkb | thomas_adam: hmm I had copied the config file in /boot to the .config file, what you're saying is that doesn't make my new kernel act the same? I didn't change anything at all, I thought |
| 07:33.49 | Freeshadow | ye gods this bot is really cool |
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| 07:34.00 | deconvolution | hi, i am configuring XF86Config-4 for LG LCD L1512S, but it mreports out of range . I checked the offical monitor manual and input the right HorizSync and VertRefresh value. But it still display nothing with out of range . Is there any auto-detection tools helping me for fix this? |
| 07:34.13 | gallus | thomas_adam: do you stay connect... i go out for few minutes and i'll be back... can you try to help me again? |
| 07:34.21 | thomas_adam | gallus: C'est ennuyeux, n'est pas? :) |
| 07:34.28 | thomas_adam | gallus: Yes. |
| 07:34.53 | thomas_adam | deconvolution: read-edid |
| 07:34.55 | gallus | thomas_adam: i don't speak french and my english is not so good |
| 07:34.56 | streuner | deconvolution: try read-edid |
| 07:35.04 | gallus | thomas_adam: ok see you soon |
| 07:35.05 | nailbiter | deconvolution: if your monitor supports DCC, you can use 'get-edid | parse-edid' (after installing the 'read-edid' package) to query it .. |
| 07:35.07 | thomas_adam | streuner: too slow. |
| 07:35.14 | covux | hi. is there a way to emulate a geneal-midi-synth under linux if the soundcard doesnt have one so every game or app which uses midi-sound can use it? like in winxp the microsoft gm synth. thx for any links, help etc. |
| 07:35.21 | streuner | !win thomas_adam |
| 07:35.21 | dpkg | Congratulations, thomas_adam! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 07:35.26 | thomas_adam | o_O |
| 07:35.30 | thomas_adam | dpkg: You keep it. |
| 07:35.30 | dpkg | thomas_adam: i haven't a clue |
| 07:35.34 | nailbiter | deconvolution: alternately, just add 'Options "DCC"' to your XF86Config-4. |
| 07:35.36 | nevyn | covux: timidity |
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| 07:35.55 | valdyn | covux: fluidsynth and timidity, i like fluidsynth better |
| 07:35.56 | nailbiter | deconvolution: um. make that "DDC". :) |
| 07:36.23 | jasonkb | does /boot/vmlinuz exist in a stock debian install? or did I just install it when I did make install in my kernel source tree? |
| 07:36.36 | gallus | there is a good benchmark utility in debian to test mem cpu hd speed etc? |
| 07:36.38 | thomas_adam | jasonkb: kernelnewbies.sf.net, IIRC. |
| 07:36.48 | jm_ | jasonkb: of course it does - how else could you boot your Debian install otherwise ? |
| 07:36.49 | thomas_adam | gallus: cpuburn, boniee++ |
| 07:37.07 | thomas_adam | gallus: memtest86, too. |
| 07:37.21 | jasonkb | jm_: well /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.7-1-386 is what I'm running on currently |
| 07:37.24 | covux | so everytime a app uses /dev/sequencer timidity gets active? |
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| 07:37.51 | gallus | thomas_adam: tnx |
| 07:37.55 | carrett | i've just been reading through all the README.ATAPI stuff in /usr/share/doc/cdrecord and I don't yet have a clear idea of what exactly I need to do to get cdrecord working with a 2.6.x kernel (without totally disrupting my system as it did when i tried to use the ATAPI interface before the ide-cd driver patching)...could someone walk me through or point me to a good tutorial? |
| 07:37.58 | valdyn | covux: whatever you wish, theres many possible setups |
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| 07:38.18 | mosty | carret: dev=0,0,0 will probably work |
| 07:38.22 | deconvolution | nailbiter: nailbiter: add option "DCC" followed with monitor?Identifier? |
| 07:38.29 | KezTheMan | Hello, can someone tell me if I can use cp to copy only files that have different time stamps or sizes? |
| 07:38.30 | mosty | carret: or dev=ATAPI:0,0,0 |
| 07:38.36 | carrett | mosty: but i don't have scsi emulation. |
| 07:38.38 | carrett | mosty: ok |
| 07:38.41 | carrett | mosty: i'll try that out. |
| 07:38.47 | thomas_adam | mosty: or dev=/dev/foo, which is how it is _supposed_ to work in 2.6 |
| 07:38.49 | nailbiter | deconvolution: yes -- just 'Option "DDC"' by itself in your "Monitor" section. |
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| 07:39.26 | nailbiter | deconvolution: then look in your /var/log/XFree86.0.log after firing XFree86 to see if it's really any DDC queries. |
| 07:39.27 | valdyn | covux: i used only alsa midi emulation via timidity or fluid.. but both support many different input and output methods |
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| 07:39.43 | KezTheMan | Hello, can someone tell me if I can use cp to copy only files that have different time stamps or sizes? |
| 07:39.47 | wookey | i use dev=/dev/hdx on my 2.6 but its really slow compared to the 'old ways' |
| 07:39.47 | nailbiter | deconvolution: bah. s/any/making any/. |
| 07:39.52 | carrett | thomas_adam: what's this about editing /etc/default/cdrecord? is that just to make cdrecord use /dev/hdX by defaults instead of looking for srX or sgX or whatever? |
| 07:39.57 | mosty | KezTheMan, use rsync |
| 07:40.09 | covux | valdyn: kewl. thats exactly what i need. ill check it |
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| 07:40.35 | thomas_adam | KezTheMan: rdiff-rbackup is quite good, too. |
| 07:40.42 | deconvolution | nailbiter: now it diplays 640x480 screen, but it should select 1024x768 in cofiguration file |
| 07:40.47 | thomas_adam | carrett: I don't know. I use 2.4.27 |
| 07:40.54 | Gnea | thomas_adam: heh, i have successfully proven you clueless on this one time: modprobe usbhid :P |
| 07:41.06 | thomas_adam | deconvolution: Check your /var/log/XFree86.0.log file. |
| 07:41.09 | nailbiter | deconvolution: check your XFree86.0.log; is the X server making any DDC queries? |
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| 07:41.32 | carrett | thomas_adam: yeah, i have 2.4.27 just in case....frustrating though that so late into 2.6.x there's still no resolution to all this fussing between jorg and linus |
| 07:41.44 | thomas_adam | Gnea: Err, you proved me nothing, since you never explained what it was you were doing. What you _did_ prove though was that I never gave a shit. ;) |
| 07:42.08 | deconvolution | nailbiter: WW Option DDC is not used |
| 07:42.43 | nailbiter | deconvolution: are you sure you have it in the "Monitor" section? |
| 07:42.47 | thomas_adam | deconvolution: There's your answer, then. |
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| 07:43.14 | Gnea | thomas_adam: i said i couldn't get /dev/js0 to work using the joydev module in kernel 2.6 - the modulename for hid in 2.4 changed to usbhid which provides the /dev interface for it. :P |
| 07:43.15 | sheyz | I do not understand why its only me getting reset by sshd, but no one else. |
| 07:43.23 | sheyz | I am local, they are all remote |
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| 07:43.52 | thomas_adam | Gnea: Congratulations. What do you want? A medal for your use of google? I suppose that is worthy.... |
| 07:44.00 | sheyz | when I get resetm i get connection refused errors. |
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| 07:44.13 | thomas_adam | sheyz: Don't google, will you? |
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| 07:44.30 | sheyz | thomas_adam: i have searched for it, thats why I am here. |
| 07:44.36 | Eitch | anybody experienced in advanced routing for loadbalancing two links? :) |
| 07:44.38 | thomas_adam | sheyz: Have you got a timeout limit set in /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? |
| 07:44.43 | Gnea | thomas_adam: no, i'm happy enough with the satisfaction of putting the shit that you gave me back into your face :) |
| 07:44.47 | thomas_adam | Eitch: It's a myth. |
| 07:44.56 | thomas_adam | Gnea: I did? |
| 07:45.18 | sheyz | thomas_adam: it would only effect me locally? doesnt make sence, I havent done nothing to the conf, cept deny root logins, like I allways do. |
| 07:45.39 | Guerin | jm_: what's your "command=" line for a working printer in your $OODIR/share/psprint/psprint.conf ? |
| 07:45.43 | nailbiter | Eitch: i hear it's possible. :) but you might want to start at http://lartc.org .. |
| 07:45.48 | Eitch | myth? |
| 07:45.51 | Eitch | why? |
| 07:45.57 | Eitch | well |
| 07:46.04 | nailbiter | Eitch: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html#AEN298 |
| 07:46.06 | Eitch | it worked for me, but only on the same machine |
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| 07:46.19 | Eitch | but i have this weird problem |
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| 07:46.23 | Eitch | >_< |
| 07:46.32 | thomas_adam | !tell Eitch -about enter |
| 07:47.02 | deconvolution | nailbiter: ityes, it is in the same section |
| 07:47.08 | Eitch | well |
| 07:47.16 | nailbiter | sheyz: have you tried stracing the sshd process serving your connection? what happens to it? does it get a sudden network i/o error before closing the connection? |
| 07:47.27 | Eitch | i hate to use . on the end of the phrase on internet |
| 07:47.28 | sheyz | thomas_adam: no I have no timeout set |
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| 07:47.48 | nailbiter | deconvolution: would you be able to paste your XF86Config-4 file to #flood anyway? |
| 07:48.24 | jm_ | Guerin: hold on |
| 07:49.04 | Guerin | jm_: cheers |
| 07:49.38 | Eitch | here is my condition: I got the load balancing working on the local machine very well, but I need it to work on a local network. So i used iptables to masquerade (iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/8 -o eth0+ -j MASQUERADE) the connection. When I try to ping some addresses, it works only for one gateway! the other two (i'm load balancing three adsl lines) don't work :( |
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| 07:49.58 | jm_ | Guerin: Command= |
| 07:50.05 | Guerin | empty |
| 07:50.07 | Guerin | great |
| 07:50.08 | jm_ | yup |
| 07:50.10 | Guerin | lemme try that |
| 07:51.07 | Eitch | I'm trying to resolve this problem for the last 6 hours :( I really don't know what it is |
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| 07:52.42 | Eitch | >_< |
| 07:52.59 | jm_ | Guerin: my CUPS is configure to auto-select the tool to generate PS document from text file (be it enscript or something else |
| 07:53.30 | Guerin | jm_: right |
| 07:53.50 | Guerin | jm_: I guess it must be enscript or something. I never knmew that was what was used until it started breaking... |
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| 07:54.09 | jm_ | Guerin: try dpkg-reconfigure cups and tell it not to sue anything or set it to auto |
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| 07:54.14 | jm_ | cupsys even |
| 07:54.27 | nailbiter | Eitch: are you finding that only the first interface of the three eth0+ aliases are being routed through? |
| 07:55.01 | Eitch | the second |
| 07:55.02 | Eitch | O_o |
| 07:55.11 | nailbiter | Eitch: or that only the topmost of the three gateways listed in your route table is actually being routed through? |
| 07:55.13 | Eitch | i have eth0, eth0:1 and eth0:2 |
| 07:55.18 | Eitch | only eth0:1 works |
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| 07:55.27 | jm_ | ahh my regular typo again, sue instead of use |
| 07:55.35 | nailbiter | Eitch: i remember struggling to get load-balancing working with a setup like this before, and giving up. :) |
| 07:55.37 | Eitch | locally, all works, on local network (masquerading), only eth0:1 works |
| 07:55.44 | Eitch | lol |
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| 07:56.00 | nailbiter | Eitch: 'locally all works'? how was that set up? :) |
| 07:56.11 | Eitch | i have the scripts here |
| 07:56.18 | Eitch | but not in this notebook |
| 07:56.25 | nailbiter | deconvolution: say -- you spelt "DDC" as "DCC". :) |
| 07:56.29 | Eitch | i came here to search in google for something |
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| 07:57.01 | nailbiter | deconvolution: it's "DDC" - "display data channel". it uses an extra pin in your monitor cable to transfer monitor modes back to the video card .. |
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| 07:57.26 | MOTU_ | is reiser4 available as root system when installing debian? |
| 07:57.46 | Guerin | jm_: nothing there |
| 07:57.46 | nailbiter | Eitch: i remember someone else in here managing to get load-balanced default routes working -- but only with the ip(8) command. |
| 07:57.58 | Guerin | jm_: thanks for your help, gotta go to work now |
| 07:58.05 | Guerin | I'lkl keep hacking on it later |
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| 07:58.40 | Eitch | yeah |
| 07:58.42 | Eitch | i used it |
| 07:58.47 | mosty | MOTU_, i don't think reiser4 is in the mainline kernel yet |
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| 07:58.55 | MOTU_ | k |
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| 08:00.47 | Eitch | I created two route tables (adsl1, adsl2), then created the default route in these tables and finally created a global default route with the statement "nexthop" directing to these two tables |
| 08:00.55 | Eitch | and it is working locally |
| 08:01.02 | Eitch | :) |
| 08:01.21 | Eitch | but i think masquerading is ruining it :(((((( |
| 08:02.00 | nailbiter | Eitch: so it works when you remove the masquerading rule? |
| 08:02.22 | AganLexr | when i try to mount a nfs filesystem my system hangs for like 5 minutes, but then finally succeeds, anyone seen this problem before? |
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| 08:02.51 | Eitch | well |
| 08:02.59 | mosty | AganLexr, dns issues? |
| 08:03.00 | scarynetworkguy | AganLexr: it's not a problem. Preety much normal |
| 08:03.05 | Eitch | locally, it works with the masquerading rule and without |
| 08:03.11 | AganLexr | thats normal? |
| 08:03.30 | AganLexr | its not a dns issue, takes just as long if i put a manual ip address |
| 08:03.36 | Eitch | on the local network side, it works only with masquerading rule, but only on one adsl :( |
| 08:04.01 | Eitch | when i connect to some address, it uses adsl1 and it doesn't work... |
| 08:04.08 | wladdie | AganLexr: No, it's not normal. I've seen it when I've had network and/or dns troubles. |
| 08:04.10 | Eitch | i try on another address, and it uses adsl2 and works! |
| 08:04.16 | dbguru | Does debian have anything like the RedHat "/etc/rc.d/init.d/iptables" command with its associated config file? |
| 08:04.31 | Eitch | but when i try again at another address, it uses adsl3 and it doesn't work too... :( |
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| 08:04.39 | simonrvn | dbguru: /etc/init.d |
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| 08:05.14 | simonrvn | dbguru: conf is in /etc/default |
| 08:05.37 | nailbiter | Eitch: would you be able to attach tcpdump to each adsl interface and watch some of the masqueraded packets going out? are the source and destination addresses being rewritten properly? |
| 08:05.57 | dbguru | simonrvn: nothing in /etc/default for iptables in deb/testing... |
| 08:06.06 | Eitch | good idea, i used iptraf |
| 08:06.13 | simonrvn | dbguru: lemme double check that |
| 08:06.15 | Eitch | but now i'll use tethereal or tcpdump |
| 08:06.18 | AganLexr | Eitch alright ill try to find out of my network is broken, maybe the server is trying to do some kinda lookup or something |
| 08:06.21 | Eitch | let's see |
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| 08:07.02 | simonrvn | dbguru: you sure? i have /etc/default/iptables |
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| 08:07.16 | Eitch | brb, i'm testing with this notebook :) |
| 08:07.27 | Eitch | so i'll have to change this network |
| 08:07.31 | Eitch | nailbiter, thanks |
| 08:07.34 | Eitch | brb |
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| 08:07.52 | jm_ | dbguru: read /usr/share/doc/iptables |
| 08:08.05 | dbguru | simonrvn: Installed debian/testing today, downloaded today. iptables is installed. (which iptables returns /sbin/iptables) nothing in /etc/default/iptables. |
| 08:08.33 | simonrvn | ^^ |
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| 08:09.48 | AganLexr | is debian/unstable really very unstable? |
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| 08:10.01 | AganLexr | cause testing still has firefox .8 |
| 08:10.19 | streuner | AganLexr: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 08:10.43 | dbguru | jm_: I take that as: "no". Tks - I know how to use iptables, I just wanted to know if there was an easy config file someplace. |
| 08:11.15 | jm_ | dbguru: don't assume things |
| 08:11.33 | jm_ | The iptables init.d setup is a set of scripts that manage iptables |
| 08:11.33 | jm_ | by saving, loading, or clearing whole static iptables rulesets. The |
| 08:11.33 | jm_ | setup does not provide any sort of system security by default. |
| 08:11.38 | jm_ | straight from README.Debian |
| 08:12.10 | AganLexr | streuner: im asking more informally, like how often does your machine magically explode just by updating |
| 08:12.44 | AganLexr | i come from gentoo so im somewhat used to things magically exploding, just trying to find out how bad things get with debian |
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| 08:13.02 | streuner | AganLexr: read the FAQ, maybe there is a statistic how many boxes exploded ;-) |
| 08:13.02 | dbguru | jm_: it's possible I'm missing some package somewheres. `which iptables` returns /sbin/iptables, but there's nothing in rc anything mentioning iptables. |
| 08:13.08 | mosty | AganLexr, seasoned debian users can cope easily |
| 08:13.09 | jm_ | it depends n what you have installed, core stuff breaks rarely, but other things might break more often (GNOME, KDE, ...) |
| 08:13.22 | jm_ | dbguru: what rc ? |
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| 08:13.37 | dbguru | jm_: /etc/* |
| 08:13.49 | strutt | Hi. I have a problem with "setxkbmap" after upgrade to Sarge. Some clue? |
| 08:13.56 | AganLexr | jm_ thanks, thats all i wanted to know |
| 08:14.15 | nailbiter | eitch: ok, good luck. :) |
| 08:14.16 | dbguru | jm: `find /etc -iname \*iptables\*` |
| 08:14.20 | jm_ | dbguru: wait, I was refering to Woody, maybe it has been changed in Sarge, read the changelog |
| 08:14.24 | nailbiter | eitch: ack .. you're gone |
| 08:14.44 | jm_ | dbug;and the file is /etc/init.d/iptables please read the docs first |
| 08:14.45 | streuner | AganLexr: the reason is, KDE and GNOME are biiigggggg |
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| 08:15.59 | AganLexr | well i havnt the space for KDE or GNOME on this laptop anyway |
| 08:16.01 | catalyst | whois Phated |
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| 08:16.05 | AganLexr | i can barely get XFCE to fit |
| 08:16.08 | Phated | OI! |
| 08:16.09 | dbguru | jm_: I have no such file "/etc/init.d/iptables"! Looks like I'm missing SOME package or other... |
| 08:16.15 | catalyst | Phated: :) |
| 08:16.20 | holycow | AganLexr, my personal experience with woody: never, sarge: once in a blue moon like when gnome 2.6 dropped into sarge, sid: quite frequently |
| 08:16.27 | jm_ | dbguru: it's in iptables package on Woody, but like I said, things may have changed so changelog is your friend |
| 08:16.28 | Phated | catalyst: Have we met? You seem somewhat familiar. |
| 08:16.41 | holycow | however, with debian, you just haveto wait long enught for the fixes and update again so... its not a serious issue one way or the other |
| 08:16.42 | catalyst | Phated: nope...not at all. |
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| 08:16.54 | holycow | just my experience if it helps |
| 08:17.10 | AganLexr | holycow: yeah thats useful |
| 08:17.12 | Phated | catalyst: Yeah, I did think so. Must have seen the nick somewhere. |
| 08:17.24 | catalyst | Phated: but we seem to have a same hostname? |
| 08:17.30 | SlayerXP | oh dear, I appear to have a User |
| 08:17.45 | Phated | catalyst: We do? |
| 08:17.49 | Phated | Oh, yeah. |
| 08:17.49 | catalyst | Phated: seem the nick somewhere? You mean as in #debian? |
| 08:18.02 | Phated | catalyst: Yep, we have the same hostname. |
| 08:18.08 | Phated | SlayerXP: Where? |
| 08:18.10 | sijis_ | trying to compile apache2, i get this error: 'no accpetable C compiler found'. in the past i've installed some package that included the c compiler along with python (and some other ones) but i don't remember the name, anyone know? |
| 08:18.22 | SlayerXP | Phated: at work. |
| 08:18.35 | SlayerXP | sijis: why on earth are you compiling apache2?# |
| 08:18.39 | Phated | SlayerXP: Ouchies. *hands over the hammer* Sorry, I was holding on to it. |
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| 08:18.54 | scarynetworkguy | SlayerXP: you really should just go straight for the 20 lb clue sledge of death |
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| 08:19.18 | Phated | No, no. |
| 08:19.33 | empty_mind | hi all |
| 08:19.50 | empty_mind | i am trying new debian d-i as on 7th august 2004 |
| 08:19.51 | sijis_ | SlayerXP well. i guess compiling isn't the correct term? i doing ./configure |
| 08:20.16 | empty_mind | i am facing a problem my system reboots afte 3 minutes while running boot-config |
| 08:20.23 | empty_mind | i am facing a problem my system reboots afte 3 minutes while running base-config |
| 08:21.03 | AganLexr | bad ram? |
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| 08:21.09 | mosty | sijis, why don't you just install the package? |
| 08:21.21 | holycow | yeah sounds like hardware issue, have you tested the ram or run stress test utilities? |
| 08:21.34 | AganLexr | could be ram or temperature problem |
| 08:21.45 | holycow | good point |
| 08:21.46 | strutt | with the setxkbmap command , i get this error: "Error loading new keyboard description" always. |
| 08:21.51 | sijis_ | mosty suppose i could, but i don't want to. |
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| 08:22.01 | mosty | sijis, why not? |
| 08:22.13 | sijis_ | no particular reason |
| 08:22.43 | mosty | then do that instead |
| 08:23.17 | sijis_ | but i still will need to compile other stuff (other than apache) and i'd like to find the name of that package |
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| 08:23.23 | SlayerXP | sijis: if you're using debian, the chances are you don't need to compile anything at all, except perhaps your kernel |
| 08:23.32 | mosty | sijis, apt-get install build-essential |
| 08:24.08 | sijis_ | i searched apt and i can't find php5 on the list, so i'd have to compile at least that. |
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| 08:25.25 | mosty | sijis, why not pay with mono instead? if you want to try something new, try something good |
| 08:25.30 | sijis_ | mosty thanks. that's the name. i'll write it down. |
| 08:26.18 | sijis_ | mono? what's that. |
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| 08:27.07 | mosty | mono is an opensource implementation of CLI (aka .NET) |
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| 08:27.36 | stephan_ | sijis: try dotdeb.org for php5 |
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| 08:29.18 | sijis_ | mosty i don't know any .NET (and i really doesn't interest me). thanks though |
| 08:30.01 | mosty | check out the asp.net implementation |
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