| 00:00.10 | T_VoiD | taz: and even that isn't enough to downgrade |
| 00:00.31 | T_VoiD | taz: actually can't be possible... |
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| 00:00.42 | pme | you must also sacrifice a goat. |
| 00:00.49 | T_VoiD | pme: right |
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| 00:01.03 | T_VoiD | taz: so did you sacrifice a goat too? |
| 00:01.10 | stew | !downgrade |
| 00:01.10 | dpkg | downgrade is, like, not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
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| 00:01.24 | pme | wrong kind of goat == corrupted deb database, so be careful |
| 00:01.50 | deego | well, one can pin woody at > 1000 ... |
| 00:02.13 | T_VoiD | deego: still won't downgrade unless you type apt-get install libc6/stable for example |
| 00:02.16 | pme | it's less hassle to reinstall :-) |
| 00:02.48 | r0 | wth ? : "There is a rather active chat area available for Crystal Space. There are usually about 15 to 20 people there." |
| 00:03.14 | pme | I've gone from unstable->testing on one box, that's really easy. Never tried going back to stable. |
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| 00:03.35 | goodtimes | how can I change from the stable to testing set of packages? |
| 00:03.38 | taz | T_VoiD ok just ran it again and it wants to Downgrade another (snort-common) |
| 00:03.39 | johnk_123 | I finally got a box to boot and recognize my software raid devices! I'm guessing you can |
| 00:03.53 | T_VoiD | pme: if you do unstable->testing the very day that makes impossible to go back to stable for some reason, you get the same problem. it's statistically less probable heh |
| 00:04.09 | bleeder | goodtimes, replace stable or woody in your sources.list with sarge, and run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:04.18 | johnk_123 | Only took me a week to figure out that I needed a kernel other than the stock debian one. Oouch! |
| 00:04.20 | pme | T_VoiD: yeah, I don't recommend trying it in the middle of a freeze. |
| 00:04.25 | ryan` | anyone have any idea why I might be getting "bound to 192.168.16.202 -- renewal in -775309217 seconds" from dhclient3? |
| 00:04.38 | ryan` | not finding anything on google about it |
| 00:04.41 | goodtimes | bleeder: thx |
| 00:05.03 | T_VoiD | taz: well sorry for you |
| 00:05.03 | pme | ryan`: check the bug reports for dhcp3? |
| 00:05.17 | Vulcanius | bleh |
| 00:05.29 | Vulcanius | screw using theses 2.x.x kernels, time for woody |
| 00:05.34 | T_VoiD | ryan`: must be a permanent lease but a bug in dhclient displayes it as negative (instead of huge positive)... |
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| 00:05.55 | robertp | ryan, are you running DHCP out of your router? |
| 00:05.55 | pme | ryan`: from here it looks like simple overflow; there's probably already a bug report. |
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| 00:06.22 | taz | T_VoiD and I just got runit to run servers :( but I just changed source.list and going to try again. |
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| 00:07.16 | green-earz | goodtimes: when you have change the word woody to sarge in your apt source as bleeder said run apt-get dist-upgrade but before thar run apt-get update to update the apt source |
| 00:07.17 | ryan` | pme, it looks like an overflow to mw as well. |
| 00:07.40 | T_VoiD | Oh I know when it wants to downgrade |
| 00:07.44 | ryan` | T_VoiD, the lease time is set to 3600 seconds |
| 00:07.53 | ryan` | and dhclient is seeing that |
| 00:07.57 | T_VoiD | version 1.1-1 < 1.1-1woody3 for example |
| 00:08.08 | bleeder | green-earz, goodtimes: right, my bad. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade does the trick ;) |
| 00:08.11 | T_VoiD | (happens on a few packages) |
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| 00:08.32 | green-earz | bleeder: yes |
| 00:08.45 | T_VoiD | ryan`: a more complex bug haha |
| 00:08.49 | ryan` | yeah |
| 00:08.59 | ike6116 | is there any package I can grab that will get all the basic developement tools and libraries? (like gcc, cvs etc.) I don't have them and I would hate to have to grab them one by one |
| 00:09.08 | stew | !b-e ike6116 |
| 00:09.09 | dpkg | ike6116: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 00:09.09 | darnold | If I've removed /etc/exim4, how can I replenish it? Installing the package again doesn't work. |
| 00:09.15 | ryan` | well, I'm running a ISC's DHCP3 server |
| 00:09.17 | T_VoiD | ryan`: you could use ethereal I bet its features would give you the lease it reads (to double check) |
| 00:09.32 | ike6116 | thank ye sirs |
| 00:09.50 | stew | ike6116: cvs is separate though |
| 00:10.24 | T_VoiD | darnold: since you already lost the settings, --purge it then install it (having purged it will allow to get back the conf files). there's an other way with dpkg-deb -x but too lazy to tell |
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| 00:11.14 | darnold | T_VoiD: dpkg --purge exim4 && apt-get install exim4? |
| 00:11.15 | CosmoDad | is it possible to apply setterm to a terminal other then the own one? I wanna change some settings through ssh so that I can start framebuffer-featured movies on my linux box remotely |
| 00:11.15 | bleeder | woot! New version of idesk |
| 00:11.22 | T_VoiD | darnold: dpkg --force-depends --purge (because you will get errors else) |
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| 00:11.39 | flour | türk varmı |
| 00:12.32 | Vulcanius | is jigdo the best method of getting a deb CD? |
| 00:12.33 | darnold | T_VoiD: Still no /etc/exim4. |
| 00:12.54 | ryan` | I already ran tcpdump (in verbose mode, it parses DHCP) |
| 00:13.00 | ryan` | lease time is coming out fine |
| 00:13.09 | stew | ryan`: did you check the bts? |
| 00:13.10 | T_VoiD | dpkg-deb -x /var/..../package.deb /tmp/foo . search in /tmp/foo/etc/exim4 |
| 00:13.23 | Spike-Sp | hi |
| 00:13.25 | ryan` | stew, bts? |
| 00:13.32 | T_VoiD | darnold: and put back .. dunno why that didn't work but bah |
| 00:13.36 | stew | ryan`: /msg dpkg bts (its in the topic) |
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| 00:13.40 | ryan` | i looked on bugs.debian.org, and didn't see anything |
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| 00:13.48 | stew | ok, thats the bts |
| 00:14.14 | ryan` | I'm note sure if dhclient is acting up, or my DHCP server is on crack... |
| 00:14.24 | Spike-Sp | this is not really a debian related problem but here it is, I have bought a new keyboard it is a 100% PS2 keyboard, and my problem is that xev don't catch every extra buttons of the keyboard |
| 00:14.39 | ryan` | but the windows boxes being served from this DHCP server are doing fine |
| 00:14.50 | stew | Spike-Sp: then you can't use them |
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| 00:15.43 | Spike-Sp | stew, ok but it's only ps2, so xev should be showing everything ? |
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| 00:16.17 | ryan` | not if it uses weird, undocumented extensions to the PS2 protocol |
| 00:16.33 | Spike-Sp | ok :-) |
| 00:16.41 | CosmoDad | I'm logging in remotely via ssh to a linux box, is it possible to change that box's local terminal tty1 setting remotely through ssh somehow? |
| 00:16.54 | malte_ | does anyone recognize the quote: "We could be here a while, be here a while."? i think it's from a movie :) |
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| 00:17.00 | stew | ryan`: you could try pump |
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| 00:17.11 | pme | Spike-Sp: "extra buttons on the keyboard" != "100% PS/2" |
| 00:17.29 | T_VoiD | darnold: so got it? |
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| 00:17.39 | juan | what type of mouse is an ibm trackmouse in XFree86 to emulate the scroll button |
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| 00:17.52 | poing | most of those extra buttons just send a couple scancodes each nothing else uses |
| 00:18.04 | stew | juan: the touchpad or the trackpoint? |
| 00:18.08 | poing | nothing a kb driver can't do if it knows to look for them. 'cept they're always different |
| 00:18.12 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: if you're root on the box where you want to change tty1 ? :p (and you didn't explain your final goal so that doesn't make much sense) |
| 00:18.14 | juan | trackpoint |
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| 00:18.37 | ryan` | stew, pump won't work, I'm using dhclient on an embeded system, which is serving as an 802.11b access point, and I'm using vendor options to supply the AP with radio configuration over DHCP. |
| 00:18.55 | stew | ryan`: interesting |
| 00:19.01 | Spike-Sp | yeah but I am using lineak and in the conf files those buttons appears so the guy who made this conf file should have do smthing |
| 00:19.03 | FarrisG | How would one configure/use the tv-out (composite) on a radeon under debian? |
| 00:19.06 | T_VoiD | ryan`: if you disable vendor options will dhclient run fine? you have something to test now |
| 00:19.16 | stew | juan: i don't know of any way to do it with the trackpoint |
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| 00:19.26 | stew | ryan`: what kind of hardware are you using? |
| 00:19.31 | stew | ryan`: soekris? |
| 00:19.35 | ryan` | yup. |
| 00:19.41 | stew | cool |
| 00:19.47 | juan | stew: ups |
| 00:19.52 | ryan` | net4521 |
| 00:19.59 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: I am root. My goal is to switch off cursor displaying (setterm -cursor off) so that it doesn't appear on the screen anymore (need that for tv-output) |
| 00:20.08 | stew | juan: you might wanna look at people pages on linuxlaptops.org |
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| 00:20.24 | juan | stew: ok, thanx stew |
| 00:20.25 | ryan` | T_VoiD, what really annoys me is that this used to work fine. |
| 00:20.26 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: ..among other things, there's more than cursor disabling necessary |
| 00:20.31 | stew | ryan`: soon i'm gonna pick up one of the wrap boards to do what you are doing |
| 00:20.53 | Loof | mkrescue is kinda pointless... it can't fit the kernel on a floppy and wants to make a 2.8M CD image |
| 00:21.06 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: so yes you can. depending on how is working setterm you have to redirect input rather than output (or all to be sure) |
| 00:21.09 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: so what I'm basically looking for is a setterm used on a specific tty |
| 00:21.14 | Loof | bootcd seems to be trying to install everything and the kitchen sink on a cd |
| 00:21.42 | Pfanner | Hmmpf, why dont /etc/init.d/inetd restart reload my /etc/inetd.conf ? |
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| 00:21.54 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: I'm not sure what you mean. Could you give an example of how to, say, switch cursor off on tty1 remotely? |
| 00:22.05 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: so setterm < /dev/tty1 ... could work |
| 00:22.20 | pme | Loof: yes, mkrescue needs to be replaced by a shell script which does 'echo "you can download knoppix images from http://...."; exit 0', becuse that's what people want in a rescue cd. |
| 00:22.27 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: example on how to act on tty1. to switch cursor off : man setterm |
| 00:22.51 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: it doesn't seem to work |
| 00:22.55 | pme | Pfanner: it does for everyone else... |
| 00:23.00 | Loof | pme: I tried several images... none of them could properly mount RAID-1+LVM2 |
| 00:23.07 | Loof | I just need to run LILO :P |
| 00:23.11 | Jazza | is there a way to completely remove packages in debian.. and i mean all configs and all files.. |
| 00:23.13 | Pfanner | pme, yes, thats why I dont get it. |
| 00:23.21 | malte_ | Jazza: --purge after remove |
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| 00:23.36 | malte_ | i.e. apt-get remove --purge <package_name> |
| 00:23.44 | Pfanner | pme, When I make changes, restart the service and do a nmap again, it list the same ports to be open, even tho I pretty sure I closed em. |
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| 00:23.55 | malte_ | or perhaps it needs to be in front of remove... i never remember |
| 00:23.57 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: redirect output then ( > instead of < ) |
| 00:24.11 | dasboot | what is the best vpn client around ? |
| 00:24.16 | pme | Pfanner: well, it's even more sure that you didn't. :-) Are you using inetd or xinetd? |
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| 00:24.19 | T_VoiD | Jazza: apt-get --purge remove |
| 00:24.26 | ryan` | hmm |
| 00:24.28 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: didn't help either |
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| 00:24.40 | ryan` | If i set some absurdly high lease time the problem goes away. |
| 00:24.42 | Pfanner | pme, inetd dont have X on my box |
| 00:24.42 | Jazza | ok |
| 00:24.42 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: but it works (i checked to verify it works) |
| 00:24.57 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: now you have to know the thing about the cursor in the man |
| 00:24.58 | pme | Pfanner: xidentd has nothing to do with X11. |
| 00:25.04 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: I do |
| 00:25.12 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: setterm -cursor off |
| 00:25.25 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: also tried it with -foreground black, fails as well however |
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| 00:25.40 | Pfanner | pme, nope I dont have xidentd |
| 00:25.47 | Pfanner | xinetd* |
| 00:25.59 | pme | Pfanner: (sorry, typo: xinetd, not xidentd) if you don't have xinetd, then what you're doing should work. Be sure you're actually saving the file, etc. |
| 00:26.02 | Loof | Does anyone know of bootable image that would have 2.6.x + MDADM + LVM2 + device-mapper? |
| 00:26.09 | Loof | and LILO / GRUB too |
| 00:26.12 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: how can I make sure I used the correct tty -- echo $TERM just returns "linux", shouldn't it be "/dev/tty1" or something like that? |
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| 00:26.35 | Pfanner | pme, I did :wq so I'm pretty sure it saved (useing vi) |
| 00:26.45 | pme | CosmoDad: no, "tty" prints the tty. $TERM holds the terminal type, not its name. |
| 00:26.45 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: tty1 is 1st virtual terminal. are you at least sure of that? |
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| 00:27.09 | pme | Pfanner: which ports are you trying to close? |
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| 00:27.40 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: sitting directly(!) in front of my box and typing tty yields "/dev/tty1". Using the command as given by you to tweak the cursor-setting remotely definitely fails |
| 00:27.46 | CosmoDad | pme: I see |
| 00:27.54 | Pfanner | pme, the standart ports that is open when you make a fresh install, ie. daytime, discard, echo and so on |
| 00:28.09 | tcsetattr | besides setterm -cursor, there's also tput civis, tput cnorm, and tput cvvis. If you want to see the escape codes, setterm -cursor | cat -v works |
| 00:28.09 | Pfanner | pme, its a wide open gateway at the moment, heh. |
| 00:28.10 | Loof | Hmm |
| 00:28.21 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: use setterm -reset instead. if screen isn't blanked you have a problem (like sshing in the wrong box) |
| 00:28.35 | pme | Pfanner: oh, the stuff built into inetd. Try turning inetd /off/ and then running netstat -a to see what's listening. |
| 00:28.46 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: -reset remotely via ssh you mean? |
| 00:28.53 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: yes |
| 00:29.12 | sussudio | !fuck Anders1 |
| 00:29.15 | sussudio | bleh. |
| 00:29.20 | sussudio | !tell Analyser about away |
| 00:29.24 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: with the >/dev/tty1 of course (do I have to retell it? heh) |
| 00:29.40 | pme | sussudio: ain't tab completion a bitch? |
| 00:29.51 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: I can recognize no effect.. |
| 00:29.52 | sussudio | !slap pme |
| 00:30.05 | abner74 | I just got of the phone with comcast and they dont allow a web server :( |
| 00:30.07 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: then you have some other problem |
| 00:30.11 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: this is definitely the correct box |
| 00:30.12 | sussudio | abner74: so? |
| 00:30.12 | abner74 | that sucks |
| 00:30.13 | jasticE | i installed samba on a woody system, and at first could access a share from my network. but after a reboot i only get an error, that the computer is "not accessible" and i "may not have permission" - what could the reason be? |
| 00:30.16 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: I think you aren't looking at tty1 |
| 00:30.17 | Pfanner | pme, Ah well, guess i gotta look somewhere else then. I'll keep digging then, thanks for the info |
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| 00:30.21 | pme | sussudio: and you were actually aiming at pmcdonnell :-) |
| 00:30.22 | abner74 | I just need to let it out sussudio |
| 00:30.24 | abner74 | :) |
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| 00:30.50 | sussudio | abner74: no ISPs 'allow' you to host 'servers' officially, unless specifically specified, but why would that be stopping you? |
| 00:30.58 | useruser | how can I tell what spec of USB (1.0, 1.1, 2.0) my laptop supports? |
| 00:31.10 | sussudio | useruser: 1 |
| 00:31.11 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: unfortunately, I do :) I also switched through all the VCs, there's none reflecting my remote commands |
| 00:31.19 | useruser | sussudio: eh? |
| 00:31.24 | abner74 | sussudio I scan the ip and dont see any other ports open |
| 00:31.34 | sussudio | useruser: if it supports 2.0, it would be printed on there in big fucking letters. |
| 00:31.49 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: at least try this: echo -e \a > /dev/tty1 you should hear a beep (but that doesn't mean you are looking at tty1, >/dev/tty12 would give a beep too) |
| 00:31.55 | sussudio | abner74: and ofcourse, httpd's don't run on other ports than 80. |
| 00:32.02 | abner74 | or 8080 |
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| 00:32.11 | abner74 | but they are not open |
| 00:32.30 | abner74 | any solution to this problem other than looking for another ISP |
| 00:32.44 | useruser | sussudio: ok... so what about 1.0 or 1.1? I've noticed a usb hard drive enclosure which says it needs 1.1 |
| 00:33.05 | mrnull | if I change my xfree86config, how do I make the changes take effect? |
| 00:33.13 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: I don't think this machine has speakers enabled, but echo "foobar" returns that on tty1! |
| 00:33.21 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD:s/returns/displays/ |
| 00:33.21 | Noid | why this changes in channel to #debian-overflow? too many people on the servers? |
| 00:33.21 | robertp | mrnull: restart the x server |
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| 00:33.32 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: AND: tput reset worked too |
| 00:33.45 | abner74 | sussudio my httpd is running localy on mi machine |
| 00:33.47 | useruser | are there any USB hard drive enclosures that work with linux? |
| 00:33.58 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: perhaps framebuffer tty1 doesn't behave like text tty1 (I don't use framebuffer) |
| 00:33.58 | abner74 | but ppl can access it from outside my network |
| 00:34.03 | macbr | hi |
| 00:34.17 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: possibly |
| 00:34.24 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: try fbset or alike ? |
| 00:34.36 | sussudio | !fgi useruser USB linux |
| 00:34.37 | dpkg | useruser: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=USB linux |
| 00:34.51 | Loof | I'm downloading knoppix because I can't tell from the pages what versions of utils it includes |
| 00:34.52 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: what you mean specifically? I use that to set proper tv-out modes, but didn't go much further than copying lines from the net |
| 00:35.01 | Loof | but judging from the date on the ISO... they won't be recent enough to work |
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| 00:35.03 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: nothing specific |
| 00:35.10 | cafuego | Noid: it happens when too many peple join #debian in too short a time, the channel user limit is increased only after a delay, so this channel can't be join-flooded. |
| 00:35.11 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: ok |
| 00:35.14 | sussudio | Loof: #knoppix |
| 00:35.21 | Loof | bootcd wants to install me ENTIRE system on CD |
| 00:35.22 | useruser | sussudio: thanks, you rock |
| 00:35.31 | Loof | Is there _ANYTHING_ out there to _just_ make a rescue set? |
| 00:35.45 | sussudio | Loof: mkrescue? ffs? |
| 00:35.51 | Noid | cafuego: i see, thanks |
| 00:35.53 | Loof | mkrescue doesn't work anymore |
| 00:36.00 | Loof | unless I want to make a 2.8M CD image |
| 00:36.01 | sussudio | Loof: why the fuck not? |
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| 00:36.16 | timzter | which is better? XSANE-Win32 or WinSANE? |
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| 00:36.19 | Loof | sussudio: The current kernel NOR initrd fit on a floppy. |
| 00:36.23 | cafuego | Ha, when you get enough cathair in your optical mouse, it starts moving all by itself! |
| 00:36.27 | Loof | Neither... |
| 00:36.31 | sussudio | !time |
| 00:36.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, time is found on http://www.time.com, or Sun Aug 29 00:36:31 2004 |
| 00:36.37 | sussudio | yes. |
| 00:36.39 | sussudio | !sunday |
| 00:36.39 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:36.45 | pme | cafuego: you sure that's not the entire cat stuck in there? |
| 00:36.45 | Loof | AND it maxes out at making a 2.8M cd image |
| 00:36.46 | Loof | useless |
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| 00:36.52 | cafuego | Loof: The kernel would fit on a floppy if you didn't enable all available drivers. |
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| 00:36.58 | Noid | cafuego: ahaha! so that was it! (: |
| 00:37.00 | CosmoDad | tcsetattr: so I guess I can feed tput with those codes and get the same result as if I used setterm directly? |
| 00:37.06 | Loof | What is FFS? |
| 00:37.12 | cafuego | !ffs |
| 00:37.12 | dpkg | somebody said ffs was for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
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| 00:37.19 | Loof | cafuego: I'm using the stock debian kernel |
| 00:37.29 | tcsetattr | Cosmo, don't look to me for handholding. |
| 00:37.41 | dasboot | i got a small problem, ever since I updated my debian distro, i am unable to play any xv video player cos it make my window manager crash, anybody can help me out ? |
| 00:37.50 | kingsley | Why does mondoarchive offer to write (boot and) data disk images to 3.5" floppy disks? |
| 00:37.53 | Loof | ah |
| 00:37.54 | cafuego | Loof: Well, that has *everything* enabled! Still, if you have (for instance) an install or netinst cd, you can use that as rescue disc. |
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| 00:38.03 | Loof | I thought you were saying something useful. |
| 00:38.06 | ugly | dasboot: updated to sarge? |
| 00:38.26 | Loof | cafuego: The current install CD didn't have device-mapper installed! |
| 00:38.32 | Loof | so I couldn't mount my root |
| 00:38.36 | Loof | which is RAID-1+LVM2 |
| 00:38.47 | dasboot | ugly, well i dunno, i did a knoppix hd install on my laptop and then I updated to whole thing |
| 00:39.05 | ugly | dasboot: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:39.37 | dasboot | ugly, 3.1 |
| 00:39.48 | CosmoDad | tcsetattr: I just wanted to make sure I get you right, wasn't looking for "handholding" at all |
| 00:39.50 | mrnull | robertp: how do I restart x? xserver -terminate, and then xinit? |
| 00:39.56 | ugly | dasboot: then you're using sarge - what kind of graphics card do you have? |
| 00:40.09 | dasboot | ati mach64 |
| 00:40.13 | holycow | dasboot, you really shouldnt do that |
| 00:40.16 | holycow | its not a true debian |
| 00:40.17 | cafuego | Loof: debian-installer has LVM support; typically you would boot such a cd with a root=/dev/hdX parameter, so it finds the lvm cfg files on YOUR root and not on the ramdisk on the cd (which of course won't have your cfg files) |
| 00:40.19 | holycow | try kanotix |
| 00:40.22 | holycow | that install a true sarge |
| 00:40.40 | ugly | dasboot: can you hold a second |
| 00:40.44 | robertp | mrnull: or just ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 00:40.50 | dasboot | yeah ugly |
| 00:40.59 | mrnull | robertp: thnx man |
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| 00:41.08 | dasboot | holycow, i know, but i was unable to install anything else because i i know, but i was unable to install anything else because i had a problem with acpi |
| 00:41.11 | robertp | mrnull, no problem |
| 00:41.16 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: thx for helping out |
| 00:41.16 | Guerin | holycow: bullshit |
| 00:41.32 | Guerin | holycow: sarge installer installs a true sarge, kanotix installs kanotix |
| 00:41.34 | holycow | Guerin, okay yoru right, lol |
| 00:41.40 | bleeder | anyone know why I can't get xine (with xine-ui) to work? xine-check tells me I've got no plugins installed, but when I look in /usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.0, i get flooded with plugin files. |
| 00:41.55 | ugly | dasboot: your problem is known - it's a bug in sarge's version of XFree86 - add unstable sources to your sources.list and upgrade your X server |
| 00:41.55 | holycow | dasboot, get sarge installer then, its got the same autodetection you get in knoppix |
| 00:42.04 | Guerin | holycow: wtf? |
| 00:42.15 | dasboot | i don t have a cdwritter |
| 00:42.15 | ugly | dasboot: it's a bug specific to the ATI Mach64 cards (Rage II, etc.) |
| 00:42.15 | holycow | what now? |
| 00:42.21 | DarknessX | is synaptic safe/decent? |
| 00:42.25 | Guerin | holycow: since when did the sarge installer have kudzu? |
| 00:42.32 | holycow | oh just shut the fuck up |
| 00:42.38 | holycow | stop being such a pedantic prick |
| 00:42.38 | ugly | dasboot: or you can just wait until a new revision of X makes it way down to sarge |
| 00:42.41 | holycow | you know exactly what i meant |
| 00:42.49 | holycow | :) |
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| 00:42.56 | Guerin | holycow: I strongly suggest that you get a fucking clue before spouting off |
| 00:43.07 | dasboot | ugly :-( |
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| 00:43.14 | holycow | Guerin, no seriously, just go fuck your self? mk. |
| 00:43.17 | holycow | thanks for playing |
| 00:43.20 | holycow | :) |
| 00:43.20 | ugly | dasboot: and for reference, it's not crashing your window manager - it's crashing X |
| 00:43.48 | dasboot | ugly, allright, but if i don t use xv it does play movies |
| 00:43.49 | Guerin | holycow: no, seriously, please just demonstrate that ONE of the last two stupid statements you made is even remotely correct. |
| 00:44.00 | cafuego | holycow: Stop being rude please. |
| 00:44.07 | holycow | guerin, translation, if for one second you think you can get your geek fucktard jollies offa trolling |
| 00:44.12 | holycow | your trolling the wrong person |
| 00:44.15 | holycow | :) 'aight? |
| 00:44.37 | bleeder | Guerin, get over it. Holycow, just shut up... |
| 00:44.53 | holycow | lol :) just a warning for next time |
| 00:45.07 | pme | *blink* |
| 00:45.20 | Guerin | holycow: I'm not trolling. Demonstrate either that a) kanotix installs sarge or b) that d-i contains the same hardware detection as knoppix, or have a nice warm glass of you-know-what |
| 00:45.38 | holycow | Guerin, if you think that you can try that shit here go back to kindergarden |
| 00:45.38 | robertp | Milk? |
| 00:45.51 | holycow | playing semantics with will result in lots of unpleasentness |
| 00:45.57 | holycow | your not smart enought, capish? |
| 00:45.57 | holycow | :D |
| 00:46.07 | Guerin | holycow: what shit? Asking people to actually back up what they say with real facts is kindergarten? |
| 00:46.12 | pme | . o O ( We're supposed to take /warnings/ from trolls? Into the ignore bin you go, little boy. ) |
| 00:46.19 | cafuego | holycow: Can you either be quiet now or go rant in #wedontgiveashit? |
| 00:46.22 | Guerin | You mean "You're not smart enough, capiche" |
| 00:46.30 | holycow | cafuego, fuck off :) |
| 00:46.36 | cafuego | !ops |
| 00:46.36 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 00:46.42 | pme | Yeah, if you're gonna try threatening in foreign languages, at least spell them properly... |
| 00:46.48 | holycow | you know what i mean, what i said, Guerin is deliberately taking itout of context |
| 00:46.55 | T_VoiD | well stop it all, you all use bad words, but when other people use them on you you call for ops |
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| 00:47.01 | Guerin | holycow: /msg dpkg swym |
| 00:47.09 | T_VoiD | you can't even put a sentence without a "wtf" hanging |
| 00:47.14 | holycow | *yawn* |
| 00:47.22 | cafuego | T_VoiD: I at least use them when I'm either 1) correct or 2) explaining omething about debian eh? ;-) |
| 00:47.47 | Guerin | I don't mind people swearing at me when they're not COMPLETELY FUCKING WRONG. |
| 00:47.57 | T_VoiD | see :) |
| 00:48.25 | rich_ | Whether people like each other or not doesnt really matter if they can get usefull information from each other. Frustration really is the biggest obstacle to solving problems |
| 00:48.35 | holycow | rich_, true |
| 00:48.36 | holycow | however |
| 00:48.44 | holycow | geeks are no different from jocks |
| 00:48.54 | Guerin | hahah |
| 00:48.54 | T_VoiD | Guerin: I agree with what you meant, but the way you do it doesn't help anybody (it just makes a short argument longer) |
| 00:49.05 | holycow | every once in a while one decides to have an ego trip and try to show their l33tness by taking something totally out of context |
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| 00:49.23 | holycow | and every once in a while they learn they ain't all that :) |
| 00:49.41 | holycow | Guerin, knows exactly what i meant and why i phrased what i phrased |
| 00:49.45 | DA_ | holycow: perhaps he was trying to make sure you were relaying valid information? |
| 00:49.56 | holycow | Guerin, chooses to try to reinterpret my intent to prove one upmanship |
| 00:49.56 | Guerin | holycow: ffs you made two blatantly false statements as if they were gospel fact, and then make like *I'm* the one who;s being a tw@ when I call you on them |
| 00:50.00 | holycow | and baby, that don't fly :) |
| 00:50.07 | holycow | DA_, he was |
| 00:50.09 | Guerin | holycow: it's not that AT ALL. |
| 00:50.12 | sussudio | holycow: now would probably be a good time to STFU |
| 00:50.13 | Guerin | once again: |
| 00:50.15 | Guerin | holycow: I'm not trolling. Demonstrate either that a) kanotix installs sarge or b) that d-i contains the same hardware detection as knoppix, or have a nice warm glass of you-know-what |
| 00:50.24 | holycow | :) but liiiittle tiny games like that |
| 00:50.31 | holycow | no, that's not going down :) |
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| 00:50.44 | robertp | holycow, /part |
| 00:50.57 | robertp | be the bigger man. |
| 00:50.59 | rich_ | Its a cultural thiong. People in different parts of the world have difgferent manners of speaking. So it seems arogant or whatever because thats the way they talk. Never try and outcuss a newzealander :) |
| 00:51.14 | sussudio | rich_: baah. |
| 00:51.28 | holycow | Guerin, you and i both know that i meant discover, you and i both know that knoppxi was probably used for hardware detection |
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| 00:51.52 | holycow | you and i both know that not having to mention the nitty gritty is unnecessary because the assumption is the user knows enough to grock |
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| 00:51.58 | holycow | treat the user with respect not like a child |
| 00:52.01 | Guerin | holycow: honestly, if you can show mee that d-i uses a hacked-up version of kudzu as well, I'll let be... but until then... |
| 00:52.05 | holycow | you 'choose' not to read it |
| 00:52.11 | TheChuckster | Hey. How do I make a simlink? |
| 00:52.13 | holycow | even though i know you are smart enough to understand it |
| 00:52.14 | pme | I wish IRC had threaded conversations. I could /ignore the thread instead. It's kinda funny to be able to predict what they're saying by only reading half the conversations... |
| 00:52.16 | Guerin | holycow: no. You need to be *correct* |
| 00:52.17 | TheChuckster | *symlink |
| 00:52.19 | pme | ln -s |
| 00:52.26 | holycow | Guerin, no, you need to stop playing mind games |
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| 00:52.51 | holycow | you deliberately played semantics, you know exactly what i meant |
| 00:52.52 | Kerr | how would i figure out what kernel version i am using? |
| 00:52.55 | Guerin | holycow: saying that a is the same as b implies that a and b will give identical results. In the case of knoppix and d-i hardware detection, this is not the case. |
| 00:53.04 | ugly | Kerr: man uname |
| 00:53.07 | T_VoiD | pme: yea wish there was a command to repaint a user afterward (so to read a conversation between two users, you repaint both and see colored text from them). perhaps it exists actually? |
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| 00:53.29 | holycow | whatever, if you want to play, just remember, you know what your going to get the next time :) |
| 00:53.30 | holycow | i'm done |
| 00:53.45 | robertp | Good. |
| 00:53.45 | pme | T_VoiD: grepping the channel log would probably do it. |
| 00:53.58 | sussudio | T_VoiD: /lastlog badgers |
| 00:53.58 | T_VoiD | pme: yes, but that's exactly what I don't want hehe |
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| 00:54.09 | petemc | T_VoiD: /help hilight maybe |
| 00:54.14 | Hostile | OMFG THE DEVIL LIVES HERE |
| 00:54.14 | Hostile | OMG |
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| 00:54.22 | Hostile | the DEVIL |
| 00:54.27 | pme | I wonder if ignored users still get put into the channel log? |
| 00:54.27 | DA_ | ... |
| 00:54.35 | Hostile | OMG |
| 00:54.46 | Guerin | Hostile: fuck off and die now, please. |
| 00:54.47 | sussudio | shut it, fucktard. |
| 00:54.47 | pme | Hostile: Start making sense or shut the fuck up. |
| 00:54.56 | useruser | is there a north american equivalent to kelkoo for comparing electronics prices? |
| 00:55.00 | gravity | helix: ping |
| 00:55.00 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: in case you wanna know: solved the prob.. had to prepend a "TERM=linux" before the setterm |
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| 00:55.16 | Hostile | omfg you guys are all noobs who think they are cool because they run debian |
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| 00:55.18 | pme | useruser: computer hardware, or general electronics? |
| 00:55.21 | helix | gravity: yes? |
| 00:55.21 | Guerin | haha |
| 00:55.23 | T_VoiD | CosmoDad: nice, didn't think about that |
| 00:55.24 | Hostile | omfg you guys are all noobs who think they are cool because they run debian |
| 00:55.25 | useruser | pme: computer hardware for now |
| 00:55.32 | Melbell | Hostile: RTFM11 |
| 00:55.33 | gravity | helix: Needed an op |
| 00:55.38 | gravity | helix: For Hostile |
| 00:55.40 | sussudio | Hostile: Hostile / holycow |
| 00:55.44 | useruser | pme: in canada, although i suspect that makes little difference |
| 00:55.45 | CosmoDad | T_VoiD: me neither, a google groups record helped out |
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| 00:55.46 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cblmdm63-162-22-181.buckeye-express.com] by helix |
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| 00:55.46 | sussudio | bah. |
| 00:55.52 | pme | Hostile: no, I'm vool because I learned how to speak proper English, have a job, and have been doing this since before you were born. Piss off. |
| 00:55.52 | gravity | helix: Thanks |
| 00:55.53 | ugly | Hostile gets the Worst Troll of the Year award |
| 00:56.00 | T_VoiD | helix: oh while you're there, could you change gcc into gcc-3.3 in the topic ? |
| 00:56.01 | helix | gravity: sorry, phone |
| 00:56.04 | pflanze | Is there a tool to record changes on the package system? like logging package installs. |
| 00:56.05 | holycow | sussudio, *badger* *badger* |
| 00:56.05 | gravity | helix: np |
| 00:56.07 | holycow | :) |
| 00:56.13 | gravity | mushroom mushroom |
| 00:56.26 | pme | useruser: pricewatch.com might be what you want |
| 00:56.28 | sussudio | holycow: let's play "drink the stuff under the sink". |
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| 00:56.40 | holycow | heheh :) your way too weird |
| 00:56.42 | arestheimpaler | I have a stupid question that I couldn't find in your wiki. (yes I'm a new user coming from rh) what is a good source.list example |
| 00:56.42 | cafuego | helix: If you're up anyway, can you make nme a coffee? |
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| 00:56.44 | useruser | pme: cool, thanks |
| 00:56.48 | Guerin | !your |
| 00:56.50 | dpkg | methinks your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 00:56.53 | dasboot | sussudio, there's girl who has been on my mind, oh all the time :-) |
| 00:56.59 | pme | arestheimpaler: depends on what you want as a result... |
| 00:57.10 | petemc | arestheimpaler: use apt-setup, id imagine thats in the wiki |
| 00:57.15 | Melbell | RTFM |
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| 00:57.28 | arestheimpaler | petemc, it's not in the wiki |
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| 00:57.40 | arestheimpaler | pme an unstable debian |
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| 00:58.00 | pme | arestheimpaler: light it on fire, that should make it unstable. |
| 00:58.03 | arestheimpaler | but, what are some good servers with other packages not found in the main mirrors |
| 00:58.12 | arestheimpaler | pme, :D |
| 00:58.18 | petemc | arestheimpaler: yes it is |
| 00:58.31 | ledestinH | I installed a stock 2.6.7-1-686 kernel, now it won't boot with "/sbin/init: relocation error: /sbin/init: symbol memset, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference" |
| 00:58.31 | pme | arestheimpaler: take the normal sources.list, change stable to unstable, and then visit apt-get.org for others. |
| 00:58.33 | petemc | arestheimpaler: 1.11 in package management |
| 00:58.41 | polm | I am running Debian Unstable. I am trying to upgrade debconf, and I am receiving errors from apt-get . |
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| 00:58.45 | arestheimpaler | petemc, sorry, I didn't find it, let me check again, |
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| 00:58.57 | useruser | will USB 2.0 devices work (albeit slowly) if my laptop only has USB 1.0? |
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| 00:59.07 | petemc | useruser: should do, yes |
| 00:59.10 | arestheimpaler | thanks for the link pme |
| 00:59.11 | useruser | petemc: great |
| 00:59.11 | pme | useruser: yes |
| 00:59.13 | Noid | useruser: yes |
| 00:59.18 | Guerin | useruser: yes, 2.0 is backward compatible with 1.1 |
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| 00:59.22 | polm | "Use of uninitialized value in exists at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm line 66." |
| 00:59.23 | Guerin | just not the other way :P |
| 00:59.25 | rares000 | useruser: yes my cdrw works just fine |
| 00:59.37 | ledestinH | now, the previous 2.4.2 won't boot either with "can't mount root= device" or similar, any ideas here? |
| 01:00.11 | polm | I receive this error (previous post) along with similiar other errors. |
| 01:00.35 | humbolt | how can I rotate my display by 90 degree |
| 01:00.46 | T_VoiD | ledestinH: looks like a mix of old software with new software. glibc 2.0 is really old |
| 01:00.50 | Loof | Sorry, got distracted by the Olympics |
| 01:00.58 | deepfrze | I installed a Gigabyte 7vt600p-rz and have tried 3 times to install 2.6. I have had to go back to 2.4.26 each time. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:01.18 | Loof | cafuego: No, it's not that... the latest installer CD did _NOT_ have device-mapper support compiled in... that means LVM support _FAILS_ |
| 01:01.40 | T_VoiD | ledestinH: hum what's this link time reference? I give up :p |
| 01:01.51 | polm | fixed it ! with "/usr/share/debconf/fix_db.pl" |
| 01:02.05 | Loof | That's why I'm a bit frustrated... |
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| 01:02.15 | arestheimpaler | ok.. thanks a lot to everyone |
| 01:02.22 | Loof | I tried 2 other current 'rescue' images, neither worked for one reason or another |
| 01:02.34 | arestheimpaler | specially petemc and pme |
| 01:02.41 | pme | cheers |
| 01:02.44 | Loof | and I can't seem to find any tool that just 'works' to make my own |
| 01:02.46 | arestheimpaler | see you all later.. |
| 01:02.56 | ledestinH | T_VoiD: I googled out that init is dynamicly linked and that error is about that |
| 01:03.06 | pme | Loof: the device-mapper stuff is relatively recent; rescue images take a while to catch up. :-( |
| 01:03.11 | cafuego | Loof: Did you file a bugreport? Or does the cd have it as module, which doesn't get loaded because the modules aren't available on the root partition? |
| 01:03.24 | ledestinH | T_VoiD: would be nice to run old kernel, but it won't boot either, can't mount root fs |
| 01:03.33 | T_VoiD | ledestinH: ok but where do each come from? (i mean init one side, libc6 other side) |
| 01:03.49 | Vulcanius | is there any way to tell the overall progress of jigdo? |
| 01:04.31 | Loof | cafuego: I looked for a module... not there... and didn't get around to filing a bug on it |
| 01:05.02 | ledestinH | T_VoiD: not sure what you mean, I upgraded initrdtools, that I can say |
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| 01:05.41 | T_VoiD | ledestinH: you took the unstable version and installed on woody (or worse on potato) ? |
| 01:05.51 | ledestinH | T_VoiD: ahh, no, I'm mostly on testing |
| 01:06.00 | T_VoiD | okok |
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| 01:06.13 | cafuego | Loof: Well, it won't get fixed that way ;-) |
| 01:06.47 | Loof | It's just frustrating :P |
| 01:06.52 | T_VoiD | ledestinH: you have no more access to the hard disk of this box? |
| 01:07.08 | cafuego | Not to be cynical, but it should have given you a good reason to not put / on lvm <heh> |
| 01:07.22 | ledestinH | T_VoiD: I can boot knoppix |
| 01:07.28 | Loof | I've had root on LVM1 for years |
| 01:07.51 | Loof | Just not on RAID-1 |
| 01:07.55 | jasticE | i installed samba on a woody system, and at first could access a share from my network. but after a reboot i only get an error, that the computer is "not accessible" and i "may not have permission" - what could the reason be? |
| 01:07.57 | Loof | And this is LVM-2 |
| 01:08.08 | Loof | LVM came in handy a couple of times |
| 01:08.16 | T_VoiD | ledestinH: ok. oh bah anyways I didn't grasp what was wrong. is your new kernel using initrd, and do you actually need initrd? |
| 01:08.36 | cafuego | But you can always keep root on raid1 (or no raid at all) and mount say an lvm /home or /user |
| 01:08.45 | pme | Loof: Converting from lvm-1 to lvm-2 was a little tricky, but only a little. Wasn't doing it on / though, for exactly this reason. |
| 01:08.46 | deepfrze | ledestin, I have a similar problem trying to install 2.6...both kernels become unuseable...tried 3 times. |
| 01:08.52 | ledestinH | T_VoiD: they both use initrd, not sure if I need initrd |
| 01:09.13 | T_VoiD | ledestinH: you need it if it loads vital kernel modules like hard disk support and alike |
| 01:09.31 | Loof | Well, it's a clean install /w RAID-1+LVM2 |
| 01:09.34 | ledestinH | T_VoiD: 2.6 won't boot with one problem and 2.4 won't boot with other, I figure I at least would have back 2.4 |
| 01:09.38 | Loof | I can make it boot via another disk |
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| 01:09.38 | T_VoiD | ledestinH: ah it's the debian stock one? |
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| 01:09.49 | Loof | But I want boot+root on RAID |
| 01:09.50 | ledestinH | T_VoiD: yep, they're stock ones |
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| 01:09.58 | Loof | LILO (and GRUB) should be able to |
| 01:09.58 | T_VoiD | ledestinH: bah needed i fear.. |
| 01:10.07 | Loof | but the issue is they get confused |
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| 01:10.14 | Loof | I need to boot /w the real boot disk as 0x80 |
| 01:10.21 | Loof | right now my SCSI disk is 0x80 |
| 01:10.27 | Loof | and both are confused |
| 01:10.31 | T_VoiD | ledestinH: find a rescue (install) floppy image somwhere on ftp.debian.org heh |
| 01:10.33 | Loof | so I have to boot off a CD |
| 01:11.00 | pme | Loof: there's a grub mailihg list where this kind of thing gets talked over occasionally, you might also ask them. |
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| 01:11.19 | Loof | I had trouble /w Grub trying to be 'too smart' for it's own good |
| 01:11.25 | Loof | probing for things it didn't need to |
| 01:11.44 | Loof | I've been happy /w LILO and will probably stick /w it unless there's a good reason to switch |
| 01:11.54 | pme | grub will do tht every so often. smack it across the nose with a rolled-up newspaper, it behaves. |
| 01:12.04 | Arnox_ | Hey, I have apache2 and cannot execute perl through it. |
| 01:12.11 | ledestinH | T_VoiD: well, I have woody install disk and knoppix, will that do? |
| 01:12.21 | Loof | pme: LILO rarely does though.... but it will chew up your shoes if you leave them out |
| 01:12.35 | pme | Arnox_: see the apache2 docs, try http://localhost/manual/ |
| 01:12.46 | bleeder | arnox_, got mod_perl installed and setup up in httpd.conf? |
| 01:12.49 | Loof | Arnox: Do you have CGI configured for that directory? |
| 01:12.59 | Arnox_ | bleeder: apache2 does not use httpd.conf |
| 01:13.00 | Loof | bleeder: mod_perl may not be best for Everyone. |
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| 01:13.13 | Arnox_ | I have a /cgi-bin directive setup |
| 01:13.13 | Loof | Arnox: Sure it does. |
| 01:13.35 | Loof | Arnox: But debian does have it set up to use a conf.d directory as wlel |
| 01:13.45 | Loof | Actually quite a handy setup |
| 01:13.46 | T_VoiD | ledestinH: if hardware isn't fancy, boot with the floppy (rescue root=/dev/something) . if you boot with knoppix, check you can boot with some root= param . if it's all modular hum you won't have / on your box till you do some strange thing like pivot_root or at least chroot |
| 01:13.50 | pme | Arnox_: it'll use whatever file you tell it to, or more than one. Don't worry about the names right now. |
| 01:14.40 | Guerin | Arnox_: #apache is the place for such questions |
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| 01:16.22 | humbolt | alsa used to unload all modules on stopping the service (sid), why did that change? I need this for swsusp! |
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| 01:16.51 | rares000 | humbolt: there's probably a setting for that |
| 01:16.52 | Loof | BRB, gotta go take care of things |
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| 01:17.34 | humbolt | rares000: there used to be, but there is none any more |
| 01:18.01 | ledestinH | bbl |
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| 01:18.29 | T_VoiD | humbolt: in the changelog of alsa-driver (1.0.5a-2) I can see something related to what you're talking about |
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| 01:19.44 | humbolt | T_VoiD: so, no chance to get back to this behavior? |
| 01:19.51 | T_VoiD | humbolt: read the changelog :p |
| 01:20.14 | T_VoiD | humbolt: it's supposed to be back, and there are links to bts |
| 01:20.18 | Carl_R | I'm trying to partition a disk. When I try to check with fsck or e2fsck it says /dev/hdb1 is in use. But it's /dev/hda1 which is in use. It seems to confuse the disks. Why can this be? |
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| 01:21.05 | lanchow | when i connect my usb device, the system says hub.c ... assigned address 5, what does it means ? how can i knew that it was on /dev/sda1 ? |
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| 01:21.40 | humbolt | when you say alsa-driver, which dabian package do you mean? |
| 01:21.56 | humbolt | the driver is in my 2.6 |
| 01:22.00 | T_VoiD | lanchow: surely many have the same changelog. I looked at the one of alsa-source actually |
| 01:22.31 | T_VoiD | lanchow: just take any alsa* dir and peek |
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| 01:22.51 | lanchow | T_VoiD: why do you speak about alsa lol |
| 01:23.06 | T_VoiD | lanchow: doh forget it. wrong tell |
| 01:23.25 | T_VoiD | humbolt: you read what I told to lanchow ? heh |
| 01:23.34 | timzter | I send a file to my HP Inkjet printer/scanner/copier using the lp command. It prints (using hpijs driver). I then run scanimage to scan a photo. It works. I then try to print another file. Nothing happens. Must I somehow 'reset' the printer to tell it to start using the hpijs driver again for printing? |
| 01:23.51 | joh | hmm, is it possible to make an X server not detach to a VT? i.e. make it still output even if it's not actually 'selected'? |
| 01:23.59 | humbolt | T_VoiD: I did |
| 01:24.17 | joh | *attach |
| 01:24.28 | lanchow | how can i see that my usb device is on /dev/sda1 without knowing it ? |
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| 01:24.43 | rich_ | joh You mean run it in the background? startx & exit |
| 01:24.56 | T_VoiD | lanchow: I think udev (with kernel 2.6.x) helps in this regard. but I haven't been installing it for now |
| 01:25.02 | space_cow_boy | google is telling me I should use the SVGA driver for xserver-xfree86, but there is no SVGA driver listed in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. What should I choose? |
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| 01:25.22 | Guerin | space_cow_boy: vesa |
| 01:25.26 | joh | rich_: no. I want two X servers running and displaying on two different devices at the same time, regardless of which VT is selected. |
| 01:25.26 | Carl_R | Does mount give any info lanchow? |
| 01:25.30 | space_cow_boy | Guerin thanks |
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| 01:25.47 | T_VoiD | lanchow: you can have it remember your usb device by its serial number and call it /dev/myusbdisk each time I think |
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| 01:26.28 | T_VoiD | lanchow: even if you plug it after an other disk heh |
| 01:27.14 | rich_ | joh two diffierent devices? You can run two x servers on one computer if you want, you mean useing a single vc to start them both? yes. |
| 01:27.14 | lanchow | mmm ty |
| 01:27.57 | rich_ | joh startx & |
| 01:28.17 | T_VoiD | lanchow: so try apt-cache search udev |
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| 01:28.53 | joh | rich_: that's what I'm doing, but switching to display :0 disables the other and vice versa. |
| 01:29.28 | rich_ | joh disables in what way? They should both run |
| 01:29.42 | dogmeat | i have a diamond stealth se graphics card (its old) and was looking to configure xfree86 on a new install, but i cant easily find the supported video modes easily from google. any ideas where to look? |
| 01:29.48 | useruser | pme: almost none of the companies on pricewatch.com ship to canada :( |
| 01:30.13 | sussudio | useruser: they don't want to get maple syrup stains on their clothes. |
| 01:30.30 | joh | rich_: they both run, but nothing is displayed on the non-selected device |
| 01:31.11 | Carl_R | I'm trying to partition a disk. When I try to check with fsck or e2fsck it says /dev/hdb1 is in use. But it's /dev/hda1 which is in use. It seems to confuse the disks. Why can this be? |
| 01:31.14 | useruser | sussudio: nyanya i can't hear you |
| 01:31.22 | sussudio | !canucksmite useruser |
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| 01:31.50 | valdyn | joh: i believe i have running what youre looking for, in my case both screens on one card, but looking at XFConfig-4 i see no reason why it couldnt be independent gfx cards |
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| 01:32.21 | joh | valdyn: what do you mean? |
| 01:32.38 | joh | valdyn: are you running two independent X server instances? |
| 01:32.46 | crake | Hello! - MEDIA QUESTION - What software do I need to play a .wmv file? |
| 01:32.50 | ledestin | T_VoiD: fixed 2.4, I forgot to update lilo.conf to point to initrd.old, back to status quo |
| 01:32.55 | valdyn | joh: you can put several screens and several devices into 1 XF86Config |
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| 01:33.09 | T_VoiD | ledestin: ok |
| 01:33.35 | ledestin | T_VoiD: try upgrade glibc now? |
| 01:33.51 | valdyn | joh: if you like, ill put it into #flood to read.. |
| 01:33.56 | Carl_R | Can I run disk druid from an installed system? |
| 01:34.04 | rich_ | joh Oh I see. I always have to study the man pages to get my XFConfig right. I know thats not much of an answer sorry |
| 01:34.11 | sussudio | crake: the chances of anyone answering you just turned to zero. |
| 01:34.21 | T_VoiD | ledestin: hum no idea. i'd be sure to have a backup boot kernel somewhere anyways |
| 01:34.22 | timzter | How do I 'reset' the USB port if CUPS admin shows: "USB port busy; will retry in 30 seconds..." ? |
| 01:34.23 | joh | valdyn: Yes, but I need to run two instances because using two devices in one XF86Config and switching to a VT causes my system to freeze completely. Probably a bug in the nvidia drivers. |
| 01:34.34 | joh | rich_: k. |
| 01:35.06 | T_VoiD | Carl_R: cat /proc/mounts doesn't have any hdb1 ? |
| 01:35.07 | pme | useruser: have them ship to somewhere really close to the border, then take a holiday and go pick it up |
| 01:35.15 | valdyn | valdyn: mm, i got 2 displays on one nvidia card, with nvidia proprietary drivers |
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| 01:35.43 | T_VoiD | crake: you need some codec. dunno if there are opensource ones or if you need a windows one |
| 01:35.53 | paladin_ | where can I chance the default viewer for manpages? |
| 01:35.56 | crake | sussudio: why is that? |
| 01:35.59 | paladin_ | I want to use most instead of less |
| 01:36.05 | T_VoiD | crake: then several programs will use it (xine, mplayer, ...) |
| 01:36.17 | crake | thanks T_VoiD |
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| 01:36.57 | joh | valdyn: was that directed to me? :P |
| 01:37.00 | joh | valdyn: which nvidia card? |
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| 01:37.24 | valdyn | joh: fx5900XT |
| 01:37.38 | joh | valdyn: I'm on a gf4 ti4200 |
| 01:37.55 | joh | valdyn: so I guess switching to an FX card would fix the problem, but it's expensive :( |
| 01:38.33 | valdyn | joh: probably yea, if its the card, i have zero problem running whatever many x servers |
| 01:38.49 | joh | valdyn: err, the problem is not running many x servers |
| 01:39.05 | joh | valdyn: try running two x servers with different XF86Config-4 files. |
| 01:39.10 | valdyn | joh: yea i know, i just meant, i cant get mine to crash |
| 01:39.36 | valdyn | joh: yea, done that, works, just on different VTs.. |
| 01:39.39 | joh | valdyn: one configured to display your CRT and one to display the TV. Getting both of them to display at the same time is what I want. |
| 01:39.43 | dan2 | asg~ |
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| 01:39.50 | dan2 | ~asg |
| 01:39.51 | apt | well, asg is asg |
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| 01:39.56 | Carl_R | T_Void: no, it has /dev/root but no /dev/hd* at all. |
| 01:40.00 | joh | valdyn: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=34804 |
| 01:40.23 | T_VoiD | Carl_R: hum you're at install time ? |
| 01:40.29 | Carl_R | No |
| 01:40.31 | valdyn | joh: i understand what you want, i wanted the same, till i figured i can run it as it is now |
| 01:40.36 | crake | T_VoiD: xine is giving me the error: the stream '/home/username/videos/video.wmv' use an unsupported codec: Video Codec: MS WMV 8 (win32) (WMV2) - Start playback anyway? |
| 01:40.48 | Carl_R | I have a running system which I want to transfer to an other disk |
| 01:41.03 | joh | valdyn: ah... |
| 01:41.05 | siimo_ | hi whats the best way to install debian sarge on a standalone computer with slow modem connection ? should i get the 1st iso? i dont think i can use debian installer iso too much downloading |
| 01:41.15 | T_VoiD | crake: ok now that's time you read the doc. not supported = not installed most likely |
| 01:41.23 | Carl_R | The other disk had ntfs and now it seems I've messed up it's partition tables and all ;) |
| 01:41.40 | mwilson | siimo_: Uh, how is downloading an entire 650 mb ISO better than downloading a couple hundred mb? |
| 01:41.56 | sussudio | mwilson: 650 > 200 |
| 01:41.58 | valdyn | joh: using framebuffer of any kind too? i do not, so cant tell if that might not make problems |
| 01:42.00 | T_VoiD | crake: check on mplayer's homepage (google) there are tarballs of dlls somewhere |
| 01:42.10 | crake | looking now... |
| 01:42.34 | T_VoiD | crake: and you ahve to put that somewhere in /usr/local/lib . but I can't help more, you'll have to find where |
| 01:42.36 | crake | I'm very new to linux. Windoze has wrecked me. |
| 01:42.51 | crake | I'm on the trail. |
| 01:42.55 | mwilson | sussudio: Yes, as I said. What cluebie would think it was better to download 650 mb when they didn't have to? |
| 01:43.09 | joh | valdyn: not using fb... |
| 01:43.28 | sussudio | mwilson: siimo_ |
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| 01:44.32 | mwilson | siimo_: Well? |
| 01:44.41 | Guerin | !marillat |
| 01:44.42 | dpkg | add deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main to your sources.list. Change stable to testing or unstable according to the distribution you are using. "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ stable main". |
| 01:44.50 | Guerin | marillat has w32 codecs for mplayer |
| 01:44.55 | valdyn | joh: i agree its likely the gfx card, unless youre using like a kernel 2.4.x, which i havent tried, and that is making problems |
| 01:44.57 | Guerin | the non-free ones |
| 01:45.17 | T_VoiD | crake: so follow what told guerin should be fine then |
| 01:45.35 | joh | valdyn: I'm running kernel 2.6.8.1 |
| 01:46.15 | valdyn | joh: ok, that one works ( for me ) |
| 01:46.47 | Vulcanius | how many CD's are there for woody? |
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| 01:47.57 | valdyn | joh: i got 2 crts, no tv, beside there's like no difference |
| 01:48.27 | Jazza | on debian is there a way to get courier-maildrop with mysql enabled ? the deb package doesnt have it enabled.. and i cant compile it myself (wont work) |
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| 01:49.01 | valdyn | joh: i don't use nvagp, i use kernel for that |
| 01:49.06 | joh | valdyn: me too. |
| 01:49.31 | valdyn | joh: Option "NvAgp" "1" |
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| 01:49.47 | joh | valdyn: I've tried that too... |
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| 01:51.13 | Guerin | Jazza: I believe the debian package doesn't have mysql support |
| 01:51.20 | Guerin | Jazza: why won't it compile? |
| 01:52.28 | Jazza | i just did a google search, found a post with the same problem.. i might be able to get it compile |
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| 01:53.32 | Jazza | nice it worked ;) |
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| 01:54.18 | jdd | Hi, is elvtune usable or even compatible with 2.6 kernels? |
| 01:54.30 | Jazza | thanks anyway.. |
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| 01:56.04 | kingsley | What's the best way to find out if someone has unofficially packaged a more recent upstream version of an application, like xmcd for example? |
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| 01:56.33 | gravity | kingsley: Check apt-get.org |
| 01:56.37 | sussudio | kingsley: come here and whine about it instead of googling or going to apt-get.org? |
| 01:56.46 | gravity | kingsley: It might also be in experimental, which can be checked at packages.debian.org |
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| 01:57.04 | useruser | pme: i went with ebay in the end :) |
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| 01:57.25 | pme | :-) |
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| 01:58.23 | gomer | re |
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| 01:59.17 | crake | Guerin: Thanks for the info. |
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| 02:05.31 | kingsley | gravity: Do you happen to know a URL for browsing experimental packages? |
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| 02:05.45 | gravity | kingsley: packges.debian.org, just look up the package in question |
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| 02:06.35 | abner74 | I cant use apt-get install anymore |
| 02:06.40 | siimo_ | mwilson, sorry i was on the phone, |
| 02:06.42 | abner74 | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 02:07.05 | abner74 | put I try and I say no that I dont want it since is giving my problems to intall |
| 02:07.06 | robertp | abner74, dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb |
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| 02:07.15 | siimo_ | mwilson, so i can download the isos overnight and the install wont take days unlike if i just download during install |
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| 02:07.30 | siimo_ | mwilson, and computer is still usable in another OS while iso's are being downloaded |
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| 02:08.04 | Guerin | siimo_: how fast is your connection? |
| 02:08.43 | siimo_ | Guerin, its not fast at all lol its dialup modem |
| 02:08.50 | followmearound | hey all -- can anyone recommend a cheap soundcard for linux that will drive a 5.1 setup well? |
| 02:08.56 | deego | I am trying to use debian's 2.6.8... i select 8139too as "M", yet i don't see it in /lib/modules in the usual place, or anywhere else |
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| 02:09.17 | Guerin | siimo_: 56k? Then each ISO will take days. |
| 02:09.26 | siimo_ | i can probably do an iso if i leave it ~8hours overnight for 4 days |
| 02:09.27 | abner74 | robertp what does dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb do |
| 02:09.30 | dan2 | asg: hey |
| 02:09.31 | Guerin | siimo_: what desktop environment do you intend using? |
| 02:09.34 | ocran | Does anyone know what I need to do to correctly disaply theses characters? I seem to have them in programs as well as on webpages. http://strefli3.user.msu.edu:8000/ss.jpg |
| 02:09.38 | siimo_ | Guerin, gnome |
| 02:09.47 | asg | dan2: hiya |
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| 02:09.57 | Guerin | siimo_: ok, so you're up for about 500mb at a minimum. |
| 02:09.58 | dan2 | asg: I know when you come on! |
| 02:09.59 | dan2 | ;) |
| 02:10.00 | siimo_ | i dont think its practical to install via net |
| 02:10.11 | asg | dan2: buddy pounce! |
| 02:10.16 | dan2 | asg: btw, my new favorite editor is jed |
| 02:10.16 | mwilson | siimo_: How is it not? |
| 02:10.21 | abner74 | because I did dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb and im still getting the same error when i try to install somehting |
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| 02:10.26 | mwilson | dan2: jed is nice. |
| 02:10.32 | asg | dan2: never used it |
| 02:10.33 | Guerin | siimo_: you need to buy a cd or dvd set, or get a dedicated modem line which you can leave connected 24x7 |
| 02:10.37 | dan2 | whoa, I got mwilson's approval |
| 02:10.40 | siimo_ | mwilson, computer will be tied up while it downloads slowly |
| 02:10.42 | mwilson | abner74: What was that supposed to do, besides break things? |
| 02:10.48 | dan2 | mwilson: yeah, now if it only had docbook/xml support |
| 02:10.59 | Guerin | computer won't be tied up, the phonee line will |
| 02:11.13 | mwilson | abner74: I could have given you several easier ways to screw the box up. |
| 02:11.15 | siimo_ | Guerin, so what can i use the computer for when i do this? |
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| 02:11.39 | siimo_ | Guerin, except for maybe commandline |
| 02:11.48 | mwilson | Mmmmm, Poirot on DVD... |
| 02:12.00 | asg | mwilson: which episode? |
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| 02:12.12 | Guerin | siimo_: download the ~100mb netinstall iso, then apt-get install w3m, irssi-text, nethack, mutt, screen and a few other things, and you're sorted. |
| 02:12.25 | asg | Guerin: don't forget less |
| 02:12.42 | Guerin | you can browse the web, use irc, play games and check mail while you wait |
| 02:12.44 | deego | sound works fine otherwise here. however, i am trying our sphinx2-bin (speech recognition), but it doesn't seem to notice the microphone. how do i get the microphone working? |
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| 02:12.46 | Guerin | and less, yeah |
| 02:12.59 | abner74 | nwilson u didnt answer the question |
| 02:13.15 | Guerin | deego: using a sound server? Like aRTS or esd? |
| 02:13.21 | deego | s/sound fine/ sound without microphoneis fine |
| 02:13.29 | Guerin | *** nwilson: No such nick or channel |
| 02:13.41 | deego | Guerin: ah, one needs to run the sound server for it to notice the microphone? thanks, i shall try |
| 02:13.53 | Guerin | deego: no, you should kill the sounds server |
| 02:13.54 | mwilson | asg: ABC Murders |
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| 02:14.14 | asg | mwilson: ah |
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| 02:16.33 | abner74 | is there a place where I can get ices0 for debian |
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| 02:16.44 | abner74 | I notice they dont have it available for sarge |
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| 02:17.17 | kurumin | e ai........... |
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| 02:17.53 | bluefoxicy | hi |
| 02:17.58 | mwilson | asg: I have always enjoyed Poirot. |
| 02:18.03 | bluefoxicy | can sarge's D-I work with a wireless netgear USB? |
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| 02:18.13 | bluefoxicy | the linux-wlan-ng supports this device as a prism2_usb |
| 02:18.24 | asg | mwilson: as have I. |
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| 02:18.38 | Zetabyte | I've got a really weird grub problem nobody's been able to help me with. The debian installer couldn't get grub installed, so i went with lilo. Now i'm trying to install grub. when i type "grub-install /dev/hdb" i get the error "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." I've removed and reinstalled grub a host of times, and I've run out of ideas. Nobody's alive in #grub. Anyone know of this problem? |
| 02:18.44 | asg | mwilson: I also have a penchant for the Jeremy Brett Holmes role |
| 02:20.01 | mwilson | asg: Certainly! |
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| 02:20.17 | asg | mwilson: :) |
| 02:20.39 | bluefoxicy | shiiit. |
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| 02:20.47 | bluefoxicy | well fuck. |
| 02:20.55 | bluefoxicy | the d-i won't connect over the MA111 NetGear. |
| 02:21.09 | Vulcanius | does anyone know how to boot from CD on a toshiba satellite 1415? |
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| 02:23.18 | tvn | nautilus was updated today in Sarge but the icon prob is still not fixed |
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| 02:23.51 | asg | mwilson: I recommend that you stay away from this set. American green eye shades from A&E's advertizing department cut ten-twelve minutes from each episode so that they could squeeze more fast food ads in to the showings on television. The resulting botch makes several of these episodes unwatchable. Sorry; hopefully Acorn will put these out in pristine form. (From Amazon's Complete Collection Review) :/ |
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| 02:24.02 | asg | mwilson: ouch! |
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| 02:24.14 | WiFiTux | hey there |
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| 02:24.20 | MysticalMrBob | WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS |
| 02:24.29 | asg | MysticalMrBob: irc |
| 02:24.30 | [GSF]00033 | A CHANNEL :O |
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| 02:24.57 | Error_X | What pop3 servers is the best? |
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| 02:25.01 | mwilson | asg: The Holmes DVD's are that trashed? |
| 02:25.09 | abner74 | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 02:25.16 | abner74 | why that happens |
| 02:25.17 | asg | mwilson: that was from the Poirot collection at amazon |
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| 02:25.24 | MysticalMrBob | THIS CHANNEL IS HORRENDOUSLY GAY |
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| 02:25.28 | abner74 | Im trying to compile a program and get that error |
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| 02:25.32 | Jonex | Anyone know any tool with wich I can see the changes to a file while they are baing made? |
| 02:25.41 | ryan` | gah, trolls suck. |
| 02:25.43 | abner74 | cvs |
| 02:25.46 | Guerin | Jonex: tail -f |
| 02:25.47 | mwilson | asg: Hm. These aren't mine, they belong to my next-door neighbor. |
| 02:25.49 | asg | ryan`: and not even a good troll either |
| 02:25.53 | WiFiTux | Issue here... My mouse in X does not work. I just upgraded with apt (sid) also upgraded to 2.4.27 with make oldconfig my mouse does not work and I have tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but still does not work, i use psaux |
| 02:25.53 | dbeal | trolls are horrendously gay |
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| 02:26.08 | Jonex | dbeal, Isn't that the point of trolls? |
| 02:26.10 | abner74 | Im trying to compiles ices0 |
| 02:26.22 | WiFiTux | How can I check if it is at least recongnized? |
| 02:26.23 | sussudio | helix: pls to /mode #debian +b *!*@ct-nrwch-cuda1-c2d-1-151.nwchct.adelphia.net |
| 02:26.33 | ryan` | I think trolls _ENJOY_ sucking ;) |
| 02:26.33 | helix | sussudio: why? who is that? |
| 02:26.34 | abner74 | I have gcc but everytime I try to compilie I get this checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 02:26.42 | sussudio | helix: scroll up a tiny bit |
| 02:26.48 | asg | mwilson: I can't vouch for the info in the review though, I haven't seen the apparent 'pristine' episodes, only what was shown on pbs |
| 02:26.56 | dbeal | how do you know it's a troll, as opposed to an ogre or an orc? |
| 02:26.56 | helix | sussudio: he left already. why clog up the ban list? |
| 02:27.06 | deepfrze | Zetabyte, did you copy your files over? |
| 02:27.07 | asg | helix: it came in, talked 2 lines in caps and left |
| 02:27.10 | sussudio | helix: because he keeps coming back |
| 02:27.18 | Jonex | Guerin, Thanks. :) |
| 02:27.23 | mwilson | asg: Well, I watched them on PBS myself. |
| 02:27.33 | Zetabyte | erm - copy files over from where? |
| 02:27.38 | sussudio | helix: the ban list could probably do with a culling of dynamic ip's anyway. |
| 02:27.38 | Zetabyte | i used apt to install grub |
| 02:27.41 | helix | only once from that IP |
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| 02:27.48 | WiFiTux | Please some help here... |
| 02:28.05 | asg | mwilson: either way, good stuff. |
| 02:28.07 | ryan` | dbron, I belive that the term 'troll' is akin to the term 'trolling' as in trolling for fish, as they are fishing for responses. |
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| 02:28.10 | helix | sussudio: err, I know a lot of people on dynamic IPs that shouldn't be banned |
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| 02:28.23 | asg | !tell puntachame about root |
| 02:28.32 | deepfrze | Zetabyte, check this out http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installation.html#Installation |
| 02:28.34 | sussudio | helix: do you know what culling means? |
| 02:28.48 | helix | sussudio: sorry, misparse. |
| 02:28.52 | helix | yes, you're probably right |
| 02:29.03 | sussudio | helix: zkyb alone is there with 3 bans |
| 02:29.26 | nksen | WiFiTux, cat /dev/yourport and wiggle the mouse |
| 02:29.47 | WiFiTux | nksen, in x or in a tty? |
| 02:29.53 | mwilson | asg: Has Savid Suchet done anything else of note? |
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| 02:30.04 | dbeal | why would you call me dbron ? |
| 02:30.11 | nksen | WiFiTux, doesn't matter if you just wanna check if it's working |
| 02:30.18 | asg | mwilson: he was in Patriot Games as a terrorist (iirc) |
| 02:30.28 | ryan` | dbeal, nick compleate |
| 02:30.32 | dbeal | ryan..:-) anyway thanks for the clarification about trolling |
| 02:30.44 | dbeal | lemme check oxford english dictionary |
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| 02:31.39 | Zetabyte | deepfrze: the package puts those files in /boot/grub already, it seems, because they are there, and they aren't in /usr/share/grub, the folder doesn't exist |
| 02:31.50 | crake | What does GREP and GREPPPING mean (example: try GREPPING through the files)? |
| 02:31.51 | WiFiTux | nksen, well /dev/psaux does exist, it has no data but works, /dev/input/mice does not even exist. |
| 02:31.56 | asg | mwilson: more of a stage actor. |
| 02:32.13 | asg | crake: g/re/p (global regular expression print) |
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| 02:32.31 | nksen | WiFiTux, used /dev/psaux in X's config? |
| 02:32.34 | Zetabyte | nooo... deepfrze left =( |
| 02:32.36 | vietnam | does standard kernel distributed with debian supports "equal cost multipath"? |
| 02:32.37 | dbeal | crake, it's not 'grepping,' it's grep(1)'ing. hee hee |
| 02:32.45 | crake | asg: thanks |
| 02:32.56 | crake | dbeal: yeah, thanks! |
| 02:32.57 | dbeal | and certainly not 'greppping' with three p's. |
| 02:33.22 | dbeal | nice 1, asg |
| 02:33.37 | crake | sp wjat os global regular expression print mean, exactly? |
| 02:33.41 | theprof88 | hey, im installing a netinstall and i need some help |
| 02:33.48 | crake | WTF, I can't type today. |
| 02:33.49 | asg | crake: search for stuff and print it out (usually in a file) |
| 02:33.51 | vietnam | somebody help me plz: does standard 2.4 kernel distributed with sarge supports "equal cost multipath"? |
| 02:33.52 | crake | Normally I'm a good typist. |
| 02:33.56 | WiFiTux | nksen, yes, pretty much that's what I always had in the xserver-xfree86 config... |
| 02:34.08 | crake | asg: thanks again. |
| 02:34.13 | asg | crake: grep foo bar (would print all lines in the file 'bar' that contain 'foo') |
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| 02:34.33 | crake | ahhh |
| 02:34.38 | crake | It's becoming clear |
| 02:34.47 | asg | crake: it's about the most useful command you can use besides 'cat' |
| 02:35.01 | asg | crake: and if you are new to irc, the 'wtf' command in the bsdgames package |
| 02:35.03 | crake | I've used cat alot, but never grep |
| 02:35.18 | dbeal | is it just me, or did anybody else notice the recent luddite anti-technical revolt/uprising? |
| 02:35.25 | asg | dbeal: in here? |
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| 02:35.50 | vietnam | somebody help me plz: does standard 2.4 kernel distributed with sarge supports "equal cost multipath"? |
| 02:36.05 | dbeal | asg, no, in the outside world.. "IRLand" |
| 02:36.23 | dbeal | not ireland, but IRL-land, or the land of real life. |
| 02:36.36 | asg | dbeal: I haven't noticed one (except for pissed off relatives and their Window SP2 issues) |
| 02:36.45 | sussudio | vietnam: why don't you look for yourself? |
| 02:37.10 | dbeal | asg, report your seditious relatives. ;-) resistance to the technocracy..do we laugh at it derisively? |
| 02:37.11 | vietnam | I don't know, because I don't know much about kernels |
| 02:37.17 | sussudio | !tell vietnam about repeating |
| 02:37.42 | nksen | !tell nksen about repeating |
| 02:37.43 | asg | dbeal: :) |
| 02:37.54 | sussudio | vietnam: well, 1) sarge is not a distribution yet 2) what do you mean by 'standard' kernel 3) the kernel package should come with the config file that was used for compiling it. |
| 02:38.11 | asg | !tell nksen about /msg |
| 02:38.31 | dbeal | i'm just wondering..when did America become a true technocracy? when Bill Clinton "got mail" on AOL? |
| 02:38.34 | nksen | nice asg |
| 02:38.42 | dbeal | j/k..i'm really stupid and should shut up |
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| 02:39.22 | dbeal | when bill gates became #1 millionaire? |
| 02:39.40 | sussudio | dbeal: follow your own advice pls ktnx |
| 02:39.42 | asg | dbeal: since we still don't have paper voting, I don't think we are a true technocracy |
| 02:39.56 | asg | s/don't// |
| 02:40.01 | dbeal | sussudio, cuz i'd never follow yours |
| 02:40.11 | sussudio | dbeal: fuck off tard ktnx. |
| 02:40.18 | asg | sussudio: someone you upset was in here yelling in caps earlier |
| 02:40.19 | dbeal | lovely, not |
| 02:40.46 | sussudio | asg: did he have parental guidance? |
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| 02:41.15 | dbeal | i wanna be closed captioned |
| 02:41.25 | asg | sussudio: no, helix showed up after he yelled and swore at you |
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| 02:41.37 | sussudio | at me? |
| 02:41.40 | Jonex | Why doesn't this work: "screen -S alog tail -f grep phpmyadmin access.log" It doesn't limit to lines containing"phpmyadmin" :/ |
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| 02:41.45 | asg | sussudio: it was rather pathetic; he mentioned his name, though I don't remember it |
| 02:42.03 | asg | sussudio: david something or other, though he said he was William Wallace |
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| 02:42.33 | sussudio | asg: i see no evidence of helix swearing at me for no good reason |
| 02:42.40 | asg | Jonex: try tail -f <log> | grep foo |
| 02:42.49 | asg | sussudio: not helix, the moron you upset |
| 02:43.06 | asg | sussudio: greycat banned him |
| 02:43.19 | HydroSan | I'm in need of a few suggestions and perhaps links to good manuals concerning the subjects. I need: a secure FTP daemon that can handle virtual hosts (VSFTPD looks good - need links). A good Mail client that also supports Virtual Hosts (I have experience with Postfix, but currently my knowledge is limited with it.) And perhaps a tutorial on SNORT. |
| 02:43.39 | asg | sussudio: apparently, he got unbanned and came in hear to reap his revenge (you weren't here though so we got to hear it) |
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| 02:44.03 | sussudio | asg: i can't say that i care what the trolltards do really |
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| 02:44.12 | asg | sussudio: touche |
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| 02:44.19 | peterS | sussudio: you spend a great deal of energy "not caring what the trolltards do" |
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| 02:44.25 | rustyBOFH | hi folks |
| 02:44.26 | asg | HydroSan: postfix is not a mail client |
| 02:44.26 | dbeal | troll, v., I. 1. intr. To move or walk about or to and fro; to ramble, saunter, stroll, 'roll'; spec. (slang) of a homosexual; to walk the streets, or 'cruise', in search of a sexual encounter; cf. sense 13. |
| 02:44.34 | HydroSan | Err, sorry. |
| 02:44.37 | HydroSan | I meant Mail daemon. |
| 02:44.40 | HydroSan | Tired. :P |
| 02:44.46 | rustyBOFH | anybody nows how could i disable the boot process display? |
| 02:44.49 | sussudio | peterS: \ / \ / \ / |
| 02:44.51 | dbeal | that kinda makes trolling seem sorta a negative thing to do |
| 02:44.58 | sussudio | dbeal: be quiet |
| 02:45.16 | Guerin | rustyBOFH: turn off your monitor |
| 02:45.16 | ugly | rustyBOFH: heh you want it to be like Windows? :P |
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| 02:45.34 | ryan` | HydroSan, postfix is an MTA (mail server) |
| 02:45.43 | rustyBOFH | no |
| 02:45.45 | HydroSan | I know. I've got it running. |
| 02:45.47 | ryan` | HydroSan, I'm personaly fond of qmail. |
| 02:46.09 | rustyBOFH | i want to deny access to users if they plug a monitor |
| 02:46.12 | HydroSan | I've heard QMail is a major pain to get running. Though people tell me it's uber-secure. |
| 02:46.16 | vietnam | I want to setup a load balancing internet gateway using multiple ppp connections, I've a tutorial telling me that I need "equal cost multipath" feature, I want to know if it comes with Sarge by default or I need to apply a patch? |
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| 02:46.30 | sussudio | vietnam: are you stupid or what? |
| 02:46.30 | ryan` | rustyBOFH, Direct it to /dev/ttyS2 |
| 02:46.39 | ryan` | using lilo |
| 02:46.41 | sussudio | vietnam: i told you what to do. now stop repeating. |
| 02:46.49 | ryan` | or |
| 02:46.50 | vietnam | it's not repeating, you troll |
| 02:46.52 | rustyBOFH | ryan` |
| 02:46.55 | rustyBOFH | how? |
| 02:47.11 | ugly | how do you search the apt bot for factoids/actions? |
| 02:47.14 | Guerin | ooh, the word troll is getting an awful lot of play this morning |
| 02:47.30 | dbeal | sussudio, may your cooling fans make a little extra noise, and your monitor hum with infinitesimally miniscule additional sound, as my bits of vital information travel through your computer system. |
| 02:47.31 | vietnam | I'm telling the details because somebody asked for it |
| 02:47.33 | Guerin | ugly: ~listkeys foo ~listvals foo |
| 02:47.38 | ryan` | rustyBOFH, lemme look |
| 02:47.43 | Guerin | ugly: do it in /msg though |
| 02:47.49 | rustyBOFH | ok thanks a lot ryan` |
| 02:47.50 | ugly | Guerin: yea, I will - thanks |
| 02:47.56 | ryan` | rustyBOFH, you can also remove VGA support from the kernel |
| 02:48.12 | sussudio | !tell `Sid about away |
| 02:48.23 | Guerin | `Sid: turn that off |
| 02:48.50 | `Sid | my dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 not works.. anybody knows why? |
| 02:48.58 | timzter | How do I 'reset' the USB port if CUPS admin keeps showing: "USB port busy; will retry in 30 seconds..." ? |
| 02:48.59 | `Sid | Guerin: sorry :( |
| 02:49.07 | xp | how do you set up IPSEC gateway using FreeSwan? |
| 02:49.13 | rustyBOFH | ryan` i thought that there was a kernel patch t |
| 02:49.16 | ryan` | rustyBOFH, try appending "console=ttyS2" or "console=null" to your kernel boot options |
| 02:49.43 | Guerin | `Sid: read the top of your XF86Config-4 file |
| 02:49.46 | rustyBOFH | that could put the screen on black |
| 02:49.54 | rustyBOFH | sorry if my english isnt very good |
| 02:50.01 | ryan` | rustyBOFH, haven't heard of it |
| 02:50.03 | ryan` | oh |
| 02:50.08 | ryan` | heh |
| 02:50.13 | Guerin | `Sid: you've edited the file manually, haven't you? |
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| 02:50.30 | rustyBOFH | thanks a lot ryan` |
| 02:50.34 | `Sid | Guerin: yes, but still not works |
| 02:50.39 | ryan` | rustyBOFH, I think that messages will not show up on the screen if you give it one of those options |
| 02:50.44 | ryan` | let me know if it works |
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| 02:51.09 | rustyBOFH | ok |
| 02:51.23 | Guerin | `Sid: did you read the bit about the md5sum? |
| 02:51.51 | `Sid | Guerin: emm no.. |
| 02:52.30 | Guerin | `Sid: well, what are you waiting for? |
| 02:52.57 | `Sid | Guerin: ok, thanks for your help |
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| 02:53.35 | WiFiTux | dammed |
| 02:53.51 | HydroSan | So, I'm looking at VSFTPD with maybe QMail? How hard would QMail be to get up and running? This needs to support maybe up to a hundred users on multiple domains. |
| 02:53.53 | WiFiTux | I think my kernel is not recognizing the mouse, it did before!! |
| 02:54.11 | WiFiTux | is using make oldconfig a bad idea? |
| 02:54.16 | HydroSan | WiFiTux: Did you make sure to compile Human Interface Device Support into the kernel? |
| 02:54.27 | ugly | WiFiTux: why would you use that when menuconfig is available? |
| 02:54.38 | WiFiTux | HydroSan, I have never before... is that under USB? |
| 02:54.57 | HydroSan | I forget. Probably. |
| 02:54.59 | asg | HydroSan: qmail isn't hard to setup, though it is a little different from most MTAs. |
| 02:55.04 | WiFiTux | ugly, because it migrated my 2.4.25 .config to 2.4.27? |
| 02:55.26 | WiFiTux | HydroSan, cause I don't have a USB mouse! |
| 02:55.31 | poing | qmail still bounces by default, doesnt it? |
| 02:55.32 | HydroSan | Ah. |
| 02:55.35 | ugly | WiFiTux: make menuconfig should do that as well... |
| 02:55.50 | WiFiTux | ugly, it does not :) |
| 02:56.00 | asg | poing: still an open relay by default |
| 02:56.00 | WiFiTux | anyway I did go into it and was fine. |
| 02:56.17 | ugly | WiFiTux: even after selecting "load alternate config file"? |
| 02:56.26 | WiFiTux | what files are related to the mouse? |
| 02:56.27 | asg | ugly: make oldconfig is useful if you have a working config for an older kernel and you want to preserve it on a newer one |
| 02:56.42 | `Sid | Guerin: i did it !! thanks :) |
| 02:57.00 | HydroSan | asg: Well, QMail seems good, then. I'm assuming it's in apt, right? Any links you can point me to so I know how to make it work? |
| 02:57.08 | poing | asg: lovely. i guess security doesn't apply to what one does to the rest of the net |
| 02:57.25 | asg | HydroSan: the debian package downloads the source, applies some patches and compiles it. |
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| 02:57.30 | WiFiTux | asg, what do you say? |
| 02:57.36 | asg | HydroSan: qmail is not distributable by debian in binary form |
| 02:57.41 | HydroSan | Source? I thought QMail was proprietary. |
| 02:58.00 | poing | it's sorta open source |
| 02:58.04 | nksen | poing, iirc qmail bounces by default |
| 02:58.15 | poing | it's gratis, source available, but you can't distribute modified versions IIRC |
| 02:58.17 | HydroSan | Ah. So it's some sort of really screwed up BSD license, then? |
| 02:58.24 | asg | poing: it's very open source, just not dfsg compliant in respect to binary redistribution |
| 02:58.32 | asg | !djb |
| 02:58.32 | dpkg | it has been said that djb is an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of qmail, djbdns, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. StevenK's bitch See "wanker". |
| 02:58.36 | asg | HydroSan: ^^^ |
| 02:58.38 | WiFiTux | poing, Gratis? |
| 02:58.41 | rares000 | that's not open source enough |
| 02:58.45 | poing | WiFiTux: free beer |
| 02:58.45 | mwilson | HydroSan: Never actually read the BSD license, huh? |
| 02:58.59 | WiFiTux | poing, where you from? |
| 02:59.05 | rares000 | can you submit changes back to djb? |
| 02:59.09 | WiFiTux | free beer? |
| 02:59.10 | HydroSan | Nah. Except I see people refer to it as the 'open yet not' license. |
| 02:59.11 | ugly | I'm sure mwilson has it hanging over his bed |
| 02:59.13 | poing | someone should get djb and theo together in a big love-in cage match |
| 02:59.21 | ugly | reading it every night before he goes to sleep |
| 02:59.26 | poing | WiFiTux: san francisco |
| 02:59.27 | asg | poing: since you're a postfix fan, do you know how to get the canonical_map to rewrite a full rfc2822 address (address + comment/phrase) ? |
| 02:59.37 | mwilson | ugly: No, I've just actually bothered to read it before making stupid comments about it. |
| 02:59.52 | poing | asg: nope, i've tweaked *very* few things in postfix, and it was years ago |
| 03:00.13 | asg | poing: ah, okay. |
| 03:00.13 | poing | asg: the mail server i ran for my consulting co was communigate pro, which i'm also a fan of |
| 03:00.16 | asg | poing: thanks anyway. |
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| 03:01.25 | poing | !theo |
| 03:01.25 | dpkg | well, theo is Theo de Raadt, founder of OpenBSD. See <www.theos.com>. |
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| 03:01.33 | poing | huh. no rant on theo |
| 03:01.40 | asg | rares000: you can submit patches, he likely won't accept them, though you are free to put them up on your site for others to use. |
| 03:01.40 | Jonex | HydroSan, BSD is one of the most open licences. Only limits is about giving credit for authors and similar IIRC |
| 03:01.52 | HydroSan | Ahhh. |
| 03:02.27 | rares000 | asg um wouldn't that be redistributing? |
| 03:02.30 | poing | bsd says "we wrote this, you can't claim you did. if it breaks, you keep both pieces and you can't sue us. and you can't use our name unless we say so." |
| 03:02.50 | poing | the old bsd also said "you have to mention us every time you advertise", but that's gone now |
| 03:02.59 | asg | rares000: no, his issue is with modified binary redistribution (since he can't vouch for the security of the modified package, he doesn't allow it.) |
| 03:03.29 | asg | rares000: in order to be debian compliant, the binaries have to be placed in a certain directory structure, which he doesn't allow. |
| 03:03.29 | holycow | i wonder if apple would of chosen bsd had that advertising clause still been in there |
| 03:03.42 | holycow | i can just see every apple add with a bsd disclaimer :) |
| 03:03.58 | HydroSan | Alright, then QMail, VSFTPD and SNORT. Does anyone have any good non-RTFM links? I don't feel like reading five-hundred pages of man's. :P |
| 03:04.31 | asg | HydroSan: O'Reilly has books on qmail, snort. |
| 03:04.31 | holycow | *bonk* |
| 03:04.42 | mwilson | HydroSan: Why would you use qmail unless you were required to? |
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| 03:05.24 | tcsetattr | qmail has the advantage of being simple. (Unless you try to understand the source) |
| 03:05.31 | rares000 | asg so in effect would he allow you to distribute a script that applies only the set of patches you choose for a set of features |
| 03:05.36 | poing | yeah qmail is *gratuitously* strange about its directories |
| 03:05.39 | HydroSan | Well, I asked for a good mail server, and someone here (I think asg) said QMail = good. |
| 03:05.49 | Jonex | holycow, Thy only have to mention that it is based on BSD code developed for years. Would not hurt.. |
| 03:05.58 | asg | rares000: of course, you can do with the source wtf you want to do locally. |
| 03:06.04 | HydroSan | I'm familiar with Postfix a bit, but I don't know if it could hold up to what I'm doing. |
| 03:06.08 | poing | Jonex: they do not, the advert clause is gone |
| 03:06.12 | HydroSan | (Does QMail even support virtual hosts?) |
| 03:06.24 | Guerin | HydroSan: of course it does |
| 03:06.28 | asg | HydroSan: all MTAs do in some capacity or another |
| 03:06.32 | mwilson | Somehow I think it's *far* more likely that postfix is going to "hold up" to what you're doing. |
| 03:06.42 | Guerin | HydroSan: it IS a fully functional MTA, despite its (many) faults |
| 03:06.43 | rares000 | if it's not allowed to be distributed in binary form then obviously no distributore can package other than djb |
| 03:06.46 | asg | mwilson: 100 users is what he quoted earlier |
| 03:06.50 | holycow | Jonex, indeed |
| 03:06.53 | Jonex | poing, I know, I read what you said. But I meant that I don't think it'd be much of a problem... |
| 03:06.56 | HydroSan | Alright. |
| 03:06.57 | poing | qmail supports most things other servers do, through external stuff |
| 03:06.58 | mwilson | asg: He thinks 100 users is some sort of problem? |
| 03:06.58 | asg | mwilson: netcat listening on 25 could handle that |
| 03:07.01 | HydroSan | So I'll stick with Postfix. |
| 03:07.20 | poing | Jonex: it's not so onerous, but the requirement is sort of a speedbump |
| 03:07.23 | asg | mwilson: apparently |
| 03:07.24 | dan2 | asg: up for a puzzle? |
| 03:07.31 | VolVE | hey all, I'm trying to setup Ardis iSCSI v4.0.1 on Sarge... when I run make in the iSCSI dir, I get "/lib/modules/2.6.7-1-686/build: No such file or directory" :-/ |
| 03:07.35 | HydroSan | I'm still gonna need those tutorials or links though. I haven't got a week to read manuals, though. |
| 03:07.36 | dan2 | asg: I got a problem, and its made me quite stumpedc |
| 03:07.41 | poing | Jonex: basically it can interfere with distribution channels and ISV's and such |
| 03:07.46 | asg | dan2: up for it yes, able to deduce the answer (not likely.) |
| 03:07.58 | Guerin | HydroSan: I dunno, are you running it on a 286 with 8MB ram? |
| 03:08.03 | tcsetattr | the qmail source is packaged well enough. It doesn't really need a precompiled distribution. It may take less time to compile it than to download it, depending on your system |
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| 03:08.07 | mwilson | VolVE: And you expect someone here to beat out of you the answer to whether or not that exists? |
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| 03:08.34 | HydroSan | AthlonXP 2800+ Barton, 1GB DDR400, two 80GB Hard Drives. |
| 03:08.42 | HydroSan | This is a high-load webserver. |
| 03:09.00 | mwilson | It's an average web server. |
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| 03:09.10 | mwilson | Below average... it's not even SMP. |
| 03:09.14 | HydroSan | No need. |
| 03:09.24 | HydroSan | We transfer 1MB a second at 0.3% load. |
| 03:09.35 | VolVE | mwilson: uhm... friendly ain't ya? no, I've checked, obviously it doesn't exist, it also doesn't exist for the -386 kernel dir I have in /lib/modules/ either. I'm here to ask why it would/would not have been created |
| 03:09.40 | HydroSan | Constantly. And it's probably going to go up pretty soon. |
| 03:10.01 | tcsetattr | ambiguous use of "average" - HydroSan is talking about the median (or the mode) and mwilson about the mean... or something. |
| 03:10.10 | mwilson | VolVE: What would have created it? |
| 03:10.21 | HydroSan | (We've got QoS -capping- the bandwidth to make sure we don't go over a 2TB limit.) |
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| 03:10.38 | HydroSan | I'm talking 'High Load' as in 'High Bandwidth consumption') |
| 03:10.42 | WiFiTux | ok, FYI it was the stupid gpm |
| 03:10.47 | useruser | VolVE: try installing the kernel-headers package - that worked for me when i have a similar error message |
| 03:10.47 | ryan` | HydroSan, I reccomended qmail |
| 03:10.55 | useruser | s/have/had/ |
| 03:10.55 | somiaj | I have a laptop with an S3 ProSavageDDR graphics card with an svideo out, and wondering if anyone knows if X supports using the svideo output so I can plug it into a TV? |
| 03:11.04 | cratuki | What sort of utilities are availalbe for analysing your syslog? |
| 03:11.22 | Jonex | somiaj, Try? |
| 03:11.24 | cratuki | I've got a tail -f open to it, but am less interested in mail-related stuff than other things that might come up. |
| 03:11.29 | mwilson | VolVE: Since whatever it is that you're building seems to require kernel sources, did you consider providing them? |
| 03:11.41 | cratuki | I was thinking there might be tools available that group entries into different categories or something |
| 03:11.44 | ryan` | HydroSan, http://www.qmailrocks.org/ < qmail install instructions |
| 03:12.33 | VolVE | mwilson: yes I just went through and installed kernel sources and patches up the wazoo, but it appears kernel-headers didn't install (despite specifying it) so I'm trying that now... |
| 03:12.35 | Guerin | HydroSan: qmail is more trouble than it's worth. |
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| 03:12.44 | Jonex | cratuki, You could use something like screen -S madlog tail -f <LogFile> | grep regexp |
| 03:12.46 | HydroSan | Okay. |
| 03:12.50 | HydroSan | Answer me here. |
| 03:12.54 | HydroSan | Postfix or QMail. |
| 03:12.56 | somiaj | Jonex: I haven't installed linux on it yet (still XP), just seeing if anyone has any experience with this graphics driver |
| 03:13.01 | VolVE | mwilson: well, progress, but a new error... thanks for you help |
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| 03:13.08 | Guerin | I did the qmailrocks thing too, but I just had trouble after trouble, so I nuked the whole kit and went postfix. |
| 03:13.40 | WiFiTux | what's qmail anyway |
| 03:13.41 | poing | HydroSan: try both is all i can say. i have a personal distaste for open relays and bounce backscatter, and qmail tends to generate both |
| 03:13.41 | rares000 | how do I tell firefox to open a new window? |
| 03:13.43 | Jonex | somiaj, I don't think the probability of someone like that are monitoring this channel is very high... Try ask in a forum. |
| 03:13.51 | poing | HydroSan: that said, it's hard to kill qmail |
| 03:13.53 | rares000 | from cli |
| 03:13.58 | Guerin | HydroSan: but lots of people use qmail successfully, just do what you like. |
| 03:14.19 | useruser | rares000: firefox --help, and read the url about -remote it points you to |
| 03:14.27 | somiaj | Jonex: What I figured, but I'd still give it a try.....looking at some XF86 drivers it looks promising, thanks. |
| 03:14.38 | Guerin | rares000: look at the -remote option to firefox |
| 03:15.30 | HydroSan | Flip a coin. Haha. |
| 03:15.30 | Guerin | rares000: it's a bit of a bastard to actually do it, I found a perl script which works real well, though - http://feayn.org/~lewis/firefox.txt |
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| 03:16.20 | WiFiTux | Who created dpkg? |
| 03:16.28 | HydroSan | God. |
| 03:16.31 | WiFiTux | the bot I mean.. |
| 03:16.38 | WiFiTux | it so smart |
| 03:16.41 | Guerin | !maint blootbot |
| 03:16.42 | somiaj | WiFiTux: its bassed of of a blotbot |
| 03:16.43 | dpkg | blootbot: Andrew Suffield <asuffield@debian.org> |
| 03:16.45 | mwilson | !owner |
| 03:16.46 | dpkg | dondelelcaro |
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| 03:17.05 | WiFiTux | if you tell him fuck you! he fucks you!! :/ |
| 03:17.15 | WiFiTux | !fuck you |
| 03:17.18 | Guerin | I believe it's developed by someone else, though his name escapes me... |
| 03:17.22 | yarjar | ooo |
| 03:17.23 | yarjar | sexy |
| 03:17.26 | WiFiTux | hehe |
| 03:17.29 | mwilson | One hundred sixteen |
| 03:17.31 | yarjar | kinky! |
| 03:17.35 | WiFiTux | !hola |
| 03:17.38 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 03:17.41 | rares000 | mozilla -remote "openurl(http://www.mozilla.org, new-window)" |
| 03:17.45 | Guerin | WiFiTux: that's not even the start of it. Do it in message, svp. |
| 03:17.56 | WiFiTux | !svp? |
| 03:17.56 | dpkg | methinks svp is apparently French for "plz". Respondre S'il Vous Plait |
| 03:18.08 | WiFiTux | ohh! |
| 03:18.28 | holycow | http://www.kalyxo.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome <-- oh this is neat, ive never heard of this project |
| 03:18.39 | WiFiTux | !debian |
| 03:18.39 | dpkg | from memory, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 03:18.58 | WiFiTux | hhmm he should say something more exciting! |
| 03:19.08 | asg | WiFiTux: /msg dpkg lesbian |
| 03:19.24 | Guerin | WiFiTux: take it to /msg already |
| 03:19.24 | poing | mmmm hot steamy botsex |
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| 03:19.26 | holycow | appearently they have a live cd too |
| 03:19.27 | WiFiTux | well my mouse is now fixed!!! I'll write to the gpm developer to insult him. |
| 03:19.28 | holycow | neato |
| 03:19.49 | holycow | its home of the freenx project too |
| 03:19.56 | cafuego | Hmmmm. |
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| 03:20.13 | cafuego | Shall I go the Prescott P4/3GHz or the Athlon64 3000+ ? |
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| 03:20.45 | HydroSan | Athlon64. |
| 03:20.52 | HydroSan | Intel only ripped off the AMD64 arch. :( |
| 03:20.55 | nono31 | someone knows something about J2EE? (CMR) |
| 03:20.59 | cafuego | I should specify it's not for Linux |
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| 03:21.05 | HydroSan | Ah. |
| 03:21.09 | HydroSan | Well, then it doesn't matter. |
| 03:21.16 | WiFiTux | cafuego, get the Prescott |
| 03:21.21 | HydroSan | Because in Windows, they will both run like 32bit. |
| 03:21.25 | asg | nono31: it's a large set of api's, do you have anything more specific? |
| 03:21.27 | cafuego | Upgradability wise I just wonder how long AMD wil;l stay with the same cpu socket. |
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| 03:21.52 | cafuego | And with the prescott I can go a PCI-X gfx card |
| 03:22.00 | WiFiTux | cafuego, I have a 3.4 CPU and works perfectly |
| 03:22.14 | WiFiTux | cafuego, do not confuse PCI X and PCI Express |
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| 03:22.22 | WiFiTux | not the same thing |
| 03:22.27 | cafuego | WiFiTux: PCI-Ex, sorry |
| 03:22.32 | WiFiTux | :/ |
| 03:22.34 | cafuego | WiFiTux: I'm not confusing 'em. |
| 03:22.40 | nono31 | asg: I got my CMR field (software) set in ejbPostCreate() in my BugBean (entity bean)... but weirdly, it associate "SoftwareLocal:1" to the software_id fk... |
| 03:22.40 | WiFiTux | k |
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| 03:22.58 | HydroSan | By the way. |
| 03:23.08 | asg | nono31: oh that kind of question. Have you asked in #java? |
| 03:23.10 | HydroSan | Do any of you know a Workstation setup which supports PCI-X? |
| 03:23.20 | WiFiTux | cafuego, my nVidia PCI EX 256mb works "fine" with Far Cry and Doom 3 :) |
| 03:23.25 | HydroSan | A friend of mind needs it for his business. |
| 03:23.27 | cafuego | HydroSan: G5 Powermacs. |
| 03:23.31 | HydroSan | Haha. |
| 03:23.31 | nono31 | asg: weirdly, they almost never answer J2EE related questions... :/ |
| 03:23.37 | HydroSan | Needs to be x86. |
| 03:23.39 | WiFiTux | HydroSan, I think only server boards |
| 03:23.39 | asg | nono31: oh, hmmmm. |
| 03:23.44 | cafuego | WiFiTux: I'm not buying nvidia no matter what. <heh> |
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| 03:23.54 | asg | !greycatsnack |
| 03:23.54 | dpkg | hey greycat, here's a chocolate chip cookie for all the hard work |
| 03:24.12 | WiFiTux | cafuego, I know, but the nvidia was $124 and the ATI $289 :/ |
| 03:24.33 | cafuego | WiFiTux: it's going to be a Radeon, either X600 (pci-ex) or 9600XT |
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| 03:24.48 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Prices here aren't that far apart |
| 03:24.51 | WiFiTux | cafuego, of course, but is to expensive |
| 03:25.00 | WiFiTux | cafuego, what is here? |
| 03:25.04 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Australia |
| 03:25.08 | WiFiTux | hehe |
| 03:25.20 | WiFiTux | www.zipzoomfly.com |
| 03:25.36 | WiFiTux | peace out!!!! |
| 03:25.36 | nono31 | asg: the weird thing is that it WAS working before... |
| 03:25.43 | cafuego | A 5700fx is cheaper, but there's a reason they're cheap. |
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| 03:26.05 | mwilson | HydroSan: Why does it need to be Intel? |
| 03:26.08 | asg | nono31: then something changed; any idea what? |
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| 03:26.51 | Jonex | holycow, Based on KDE :S |
| 03:27.00 | HydroSan | Anything dude. |
| 03:27.02 | HydroSan | As long as it works. |
| 03:27.06 | HydroSan | And doesn't cost a fortune. |
| 03:27.16 | asg | and as a little path running down the middle |
| 03:27.20 | *** part/#debian cosf (~cosf@164.77.90.73) |
| 03:27.20 | asg | s/as/has/ |
| 03:27.38 | Guerin | and blinkenlights |
| 03:27.47 | Guerin | don't forget the all-important blinkenlights |
| 03:27.49 | asg | Guerin: ah, got to have them |
| 03:27.59 | greycat | and goes "Bing!" |
| 03:28.17 | Guerin | ah yes |
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| 03:28.22 | Guerin | the machine that goes bing |
| 03:28.31 | asg | Guerin: I have on some funky barebones I got cheap at tigerdirect |
| 03:28.38 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:28.51 | Guerin | blue leds must lower the price of a rig, then |
| 03:29.10 | Guerin | the prices at tirgerdirect are outrageously low |
| 03:29.14 | asg | Guerin: and blue lights in the fan |
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| 03:29.20 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:29.23 | Guerin | l337 |
| 03:29.31 | asg | Guerin: yeah, it's ugly to look at but it runs and was cheap |
| 03:29.41 | nono31 | asg: yeap, but I changed back... |
| 03:29.55 | asg | nono31: and still an issue? |
| 03:29.59 | SerajewelKS | is there a channel for discussing stolen open-source code? |
| 03:30.09 | Jonex | Ofcourse stuff with blue leds must be cheaper. No one wants 'em... |
| 03:30.17 | SerajewelKS | someone has taken one of my open-source projects, removed my name from the author's credits and used his instead |
| 03:30.20 | dan2 | asg: I am growing addicted to C++ |
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| 03:30.30 | asg | dan2: you have been for some time. |
| 03:30.44 | Jonex | SerajewelKS, Have you contacted him? |
| 03:30.46 | asg | SerajewelKS: #debian-legal perhaps |
| 03:30.54 | dan2 | asg: esp. since a lot of nice libraries for odbc, sql, sockets, ... |
| 03:30.59 | asg | SerajewelKS: or the debian-legal mailing list |
| 03:31.16 | asg | dan2: ah, the problem I keep running into with python |
| 03:31.50 | nono31 | asg: hum... the window is opened! ;-) |
| 03:31.55 | SerajewelKS | it's not debian-related |
| 03:32.07 | SerajewelKS | but this is the only place i know where people would know what to do |
| 03:32.08 | dan2 | asg: whats the problem with python? |
| 03:32.41 | asg | dan2: at least with woody, there are issues with ldap, mysql, mssql, etc (crap I have to support) |
| 03:32.57 | asg | dan2: I don't have these problems with perl in woody and they are using the same c libs. |
| 03:33.01 | dan2 | asg: they are all fixed in debian sid with recent python |
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| 03:33.12 | asg | dan2: yes, I don't use sid on production boxes |
| 03:33.25 | dan2 | asg: python2.1 has been long deprecated |
| 03:33.40 | asg | dan2: hence the backports debacle and resultant compilation from source and stuffing in /usr/local |
| 03:34.00 | Jonex | SerajewelKS, Ask him to stop first. If he won't, threat with legal action... Or something like that? |
| 03:34.06 | timzter | how do I reset a busy USB port? |
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| 03:35.02 | joaop | FATAL: Error inserting fbcon (/lib/modules/2.6.8.1/kernel/drivers/video/console/fbcon.ko): No such device : some ideia ? |
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| 03:35.35 | dan2 | asg: ok, C++ is addictive, I rewrote that program called rawproxd I showed you before to have a threaded tcp server |
| 03:35.45 | SerajewelKS | is the GPL valid in france? i think that's where this guy lives |
| 03:35.48 | dan2 | asg: it spawns thread per connect |
| 03:36.07 | Guerin | the gpl is valid everywhere with sane copyright laaws |
| 03:36.13 | Jonex | SerajewelKS, Probably. |
| 03:36.26 | zinx | if it's not valid, i'm sure the french can't copy it at all :x |
| 03:36.33 | greycat | there is no such thing as a sane copyright law. |
| 03:36.44 | Guerin | greycat: I use the term loosely |
| 03:36.52 | Guerin | greycat: but you are correct |
| 03:36.59 | Jonex | greycat, Well they can be more or less sane... |
| 03:37.45 | Nemoder | I can't get gcc installed even with the force-overwrite |
| 03:38.13 | mwilson | Nemoder: <shrug> So back up. |
| 03:38.31 | mwilson | Nemoder: You think you need to be using testing, surely you know how to revert to your previous version? |
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| 03:38.50 | Nemoder | never done it before :| |
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| 03:39.05 | greycat | Nemoder: purge all -dev packages and start over |
| 03:39.32 | timzter | Is there an equivalent command in Linux like Solaris's cfgadm ? |
| 03:39.43 | ChibaPet | Hey, all. Can someone help me out? I'm starting to become very depressed. Got a Toshiba Tecra 8100 today. Can't make sound work. Found references that say ALSA works fine on it, but i can't produce sound. |
| 03:40.37 | ChibaPet | alsaconf saw the card. lsmod sees the modules. |
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| 03:41.11 | Jonex | ChibaPet, The volume? |
| 03:41.14 | Nemoder | alsamixer? |
| 03:41.19 | asg | dan2: :) |
| 03:41.32 | dan2 | asg: :) |
| 03:41.34 | ChibaPet | Not sure what to do with alsamixer. All volumes accessible were up into the green or red. |
| 03:41.40 | ChibaPet | Physical volume was up. |
| 03:41.50 | asg | ChibaPet: did you unmute the relevant channels? |
| 03:41.51 | Nemoder | make sure they aren't muted |
| 03:41.57 | ChibaPet | Not muted, no. |
| 03:42.02 | dan2 | asg: moose tracks is good ice cream |
| 03:42.12 | ChibaPet | It's baffling. |
| 03:42.19 | asg | dan2: yes, very tasty |
| 03:42.26 | asg | dan2: B&J ? |
| 03:42.36 | ChibaPet | There's a note on the ALSA pages saying that on my laptop PCM output produces silence, but not everything is PCM, right? How can I try to make sound? |
| 03:42.46 | Guerin | ChibaPet: what sound card? |
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| 03:43.03 | ChibaPet | Yamaha DS-XG (YMF744) |
| 03:43.13 | ChibaPet | ...as reported by alsamixer |
| 03:43.17 | Guerin | ChibaPet: ah, different to the tecra8000 I have |
| 03:43.24 | ChibaPet | :( |
| 03:43.26 | zinx | ChibaPet: uh, the sequencer (i.e., MIDI stuff) is the only other thing, but that generally doesn't work well at all |
| 03:43.53 | ChibaPet | hm |
| 03:43.59 | Guerin | ChibaPet: anything muted? (MM) in alsamixer? |
| 03:44.11 | coywolf | why i can't chmod a+x on my vfat dir? |
| 03:44.23 | ChibaPet | nothing muted |
| 03:44.30 | ChibaPet | everything up into the green |
| 03:44.38 | ChibaPet | One hopeful sign: |
| 03:44.46 | Nemoder | vfat can't store permissions, you have to set them globally for the mount point |
| 03:44.57 | ChibaPet | after one reboot, I did hear some sort of high-pitched hissing or somesuch |
| 03:44.59 | greycat | coywolf: because FAT has no file permissions other than "read-only" or "not read-only" |
| 03:45.15 | greycat | (and "hidden", "system" and "archive") |
| 03:45.16 | ChibaPet | Not loud, but definitely emnating from the speakers. |
| 03:45.21 | coywolf | greycat, otherwisze apache can't read it |
| 03:45.30 | greycat | coywolf: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
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| 03:46.07 | MysticalMrBob | does anyone know how to register a channel |
| 03:46.19 | asg | MysticalMrBob: /msg chanserv help |
| 03:47.03 | ChibaPet | Oh well. I'm gonna try installing NetBSD on the thing, I guess. I want all my hardware to be supported. I'd rather run Debian on it. :( |
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| 03:47.16 | mrproper | How can I see what DHCP server is giving me my IP? |
| 03:47.22 | ChibaPet | "Yay, pkgsrc. I wonder if it'll work today." |
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| 03:47.27 | coywolf | greycat, thanks |
| 03:47.32 | asg | mrproper: /var/log/syslog |
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| 03:47.40 | asg | mrproper: look for DHCPOFFER lines |
| 03:47.52 | ChibaPet | bbl, all |
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| 03:48.36 | mrproper | asg, I got a DHCPACK line. |
| 03:48.40 | Guerin | some people give up so easy |
| 03:48.58 | asg | mrproper: do you have a 'bound to' right below it? |
| 03:49.00 | dan2 | asg: no, better, Wawa ice cream |
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| 03:49.14 | asg | dan2: a local delicacy? |
| 03:49.15 | SerajewelKS | what sections of the GPL apply to removing the author's name and replacing it with your own? |
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| 03:49.38 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: removing the author's name from what? |
| 03:49.45 | User | Hello |
| 03:49.53 | dan2 | asg: yeah, Wawa is kinda like a 711, except its originally a dairy farm company, milk is real good, now they have gas stations and good ice cream |
| 03:49.53 | deadcat | ls |
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| 03:49.58 | asg | Guerin: he said earlier someone took his code, removed his name, and inserted theirs instead |
| 03:50.04 | asg | dan2: ah, cool |
| 03:50.08 | mrproper | asg, yes, I have a bound to riht below it. |
| 03:50.08 | Guerin | ah, right |
| 03:50.12 | dan2 | asg: very very creamy |
| 03:50.16 | asg | mrproper: that's the one then |
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| 03:50.23 | asg | dan2: nummies! |
| 03:50.23 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: an open-source program |
| 03:50.30 | mrproper | asg, The thing is, this isn't a 192.168.2.x network. |
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| 03:50.38 | User | Does anyone know a command to output the numer of files under all subdirectories? |
| 03:50.44 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: someone is distrubuting copies of an open-source program i've written, after having removed my name and replaced it with his own |
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| 03:50.50 | dan2 | asg: my brother made a milkshake with it, it was the best |
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| 03:51.14 | greycat | User: find . -type f -print | wc -l |
| 03:51.16 | asg | mrproper: well, you could drop the interface and sniff traffic using tcpdump or ethereal to see where it is coming from then |
| 03:51.20 | User | thaks |
| 03:51.22 | asg | dan2: :) |
| 03:51.31 | DA_ | what is it with gdm disabling my keyboard when it starts on boot? |
| 03:51.34 | mrproper | asg, So would I drop the interface, run tcpdump and bringi it back up? |
| 03:51.40 | asg | mrproper: yes |
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| 03:51.50 | mrproper | asg, I don't have tcpdump :( |
| 03:51.58 | asg | mrproper: apt-get install <pkg> |
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| 03:52.04 | mrproper | asg, No internet connection |
| 03:52.14 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: 2a for a start |
| 03:52.14 | greycat | but you're on IRC. |
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| 03:52.23 | mrproper | greycat, Separate computer |
| 03:52.32 | greycat | mrproper, sneakernet. |
| 03:52.33 | asg | mrproper: sniff from that then |
| 03:52.42 | mrproper | asg, Probably different subnets :( |
| 03:52.56 | mrproper | Right now, in /etc/network/interfaces I have auto eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 03:52.58 | mrproper | Is that right? |
| 03:53.15 | asg | mrproper: 2 lines? |
| 03:53.18 | greycat | mrproper: not all on one line. |
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| 03:53.22 | mrproper | Yeah, 2 lines |
| 03:53.27 | asg | mrproper: yes, that's right |
| 03:53.35 | mrproper | How in god's name am I getting this subnet then? |
| 03:53.48 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: I'd be inclined to think that this isn't so much a gpl issue as a generic copyright issue. If the code hasn't been modified, only the name, then seems to me to be a simple case of false attribution. |
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| 03:54.10 | asg | mrproper: is the ip you get from the dhcp server in the same subnet as the 'bound to' ip address? |
| 03:54.12 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: it violates section 2a of the GPL |
| 03:54.23 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: yes, as I said above. |
| 03:54.36 | SerajewelKS | oh sorry didn't see that |
| 03:54.37 | asg | SerajewelKS: you might contact the EFF |
| 03:54.37 | mrproper | asg, DHCPACK from 192.168.2.1 and bound to 192.168.2.24 |
| 03:54.49 | SerajewelKS | i'm composing a letter to him right now |
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| 03:54.58 | SerajewelKS | when it's done i'll ask you guys to comment on it before i send it to him |
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| 03:55.16 | asg | mrproper: then that's the ip the dhcp server gave you. What's wrong? |
| 03:55.27 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: and it ain't an open source program, it's free software :) |
| 03:55.30 | mrproper | asg, My univeristy uses the 204.38 subnet |
| 03:55.41 | SerajewelKS | okay whatever =) |
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| 03:56.05 | Guerin | mrproper: are you behind a nat? |
| 03:56.05 | asg | mrproper: internally as well? (we use routables on the outside but privates on the inside) |
| 03:56.10 | greycat | Guerin: I couldn't come up with anything appropriate for it, either |
| 03:56.18 | mrproper | asg, All the residence network is 204.38, so yes. |
| 03:56.26 | mrproper | Guerin, I'm not completely sure what the school uses to be honest. |
| 03:56.48 | asg | mrproper: after getting a dhcp assigned 192.168.x.x/24, can you ping 166.82.1.3 |
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| 03:56.50 | mrproper | I called the help desk and the guy says I'm probably pulling from some weird rogue DHCP server on the network instead of the proper school's one. |
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| 03:57.02 | asg | mrproper: that would make sense |
| 03:57.11 | mrproper | asg, Ping won't work. |
| 03:57.13 | asg | mrproper: someone using a linksys junker in their dorm |
| 03:57.24 | mrproper | I have a linksys actually, but it's just a switch. |
| 03:57.26 | asg | mrproper: can you ping the dhcp ip that gave you the address? |
| 03:57.45 | mrproper | Yes, I can ping that. |
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| 03:57.47 | asg | mrproper: make sure it isn't providing some dhcp functionality as well (most do out of the box) |
| 03:57.56 | mrproper | Even as a friggen switch? |
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| 03:58.11 | mrproper | asg, The laptop i'm talking on right now though is running through that and doesn't have any problems. |
| 03:58.11 | asg | mrproper: sure |
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| 03:58.38 | asg | mrproper: easy way to check, remove the switch, plug the box into the network jack on the wall and see if you get the same result. |
| 03:58.55 | mrproper | That's what I'm doing right now :/ |
| 03:58.55 | coywolf | how to move a group of symlink files? |
| 03:59.01 | johnga1t | anyone here use integrated video on via's cle266 chipset? |
| 03:59.10 | asg | coywolf: mv or tar |
| 03:59.12 | coywolf | find -type l | xargs mv /home not work |
| 03:59.14 | digijohn | Hey everbody, I just set up multihead under unstable, but now when I move the mouse around much the cpu usage shoots up |
| 03:59.20 | digijohn | Why is this happening? |
| 03:59.21 | coywolf | find -type l | xargs mv /home not work asg |
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| 03:59.35 | greycat | coywolf: find . -type l -exec mv {} /home/wherever \; |
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| 04:00.05 | asg | oh shit, I haven't been on irc after midnight in many months |
| 04:00.32 | greycat | quick! run to the west! :) |
| 04:00.38 | asg | greycat: hehe |
| 04:00.39 | dan2 | mwilson: ping |
| 04:01.16 | mrproper | asg, Same. |
| 04:01.31 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: how does this look? http://pyromaniacs.hopto.org/~chris/leb.html |
| 04:01.33 | Synapse- | (-] |
| 04:01.47 | digijohn | And Enlightenment doesn't handle xinerama very well, is there a fix? |
| 04:02.17 | asg | mrproper: then it is likely a rogue dhcp server as the helpdesk said. You could try using a static ip in the subnet you are supposed to be using (though that will cause issues if a real dhcp server assigns the same address.) |
| 04:02.44 | mrproper | asg, Yeah, that would cause issues. How can I find out the DHCP's mac addy? |
| 04:02.57 | mrproper | asg, The DHCP server's mac addy rather |
| 04:02.59 | asg | mrproper: man arp |
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| 04:03.14 | scarynetworkguy | mrproper: do a ifdown eth0 |
| 04:03.27 | scarynetworkguy | mrproper: then a ifup eth0 and read the messages |
| 04:03.36 | scarynetworkguy | that should tell you. |
| 04:03.38 | mrproper | scarynetworkguy, Doesn't list the mac address there. |
| 04:03.51 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: if you want, you can PM me about it |
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| 04:04.18 | dscii | can anyone tell me why sata hard drives are detected as and referenced as scsi devices? |
| 04:04.32 | dscii | what's the correlation between serial ata and scsi here? |
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| 04:04.43 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: on the phone, sorry |
| 04:04.43 | mrproper | asg, Would arp ipaddy work or do I need more arguments? I'm not completely clear. |
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| 04:05.06 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: np |
| 04:05.12 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: let me know when you're done |
| 04:05.15 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: that link is dead for me: Connecting to pyromaniacs.hopto.org[4.225.104.236]:80... |
| 04:05.20 | asg | mrproper: just type 'arp' see if there is a mapping in the table listed |
| 04:05.41 | mrproper | Got the address! |
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| 04:06.29 | mrproper | asg, So I'll call them later and see if they can find the owner of that system. |
| 04:06.36 | asg | mrproper: sounds good |
| 04:06.36 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: sorry, try port 4000 |
| 04:06.43 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: my ISP blocks inbound port 80 =/ |
| 04:07.05 | asg | SerajewelKS: then they cannot really call themselves an 'Internet Service Provider' |
| 04:07.18 | SerajewelKS | asg: tell that to them |
| 04:07.41 | SerajewelKS | asg: you're preaching to the choir ;) |
| 04:07.43 | asg | SerajewelKS: :) |
| 04:08.30 | sussudio | SerajewelKS: get a real ISP then, and not Earthlink/MSN/whatever the fuck you're using that's on level3.net |
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| 04:08.56 | SerajewelKS | sussudio: it's not my decision, it's my parents |
| 04:09.05 | greycat | looks like the kdelibs4/libopenexthingy issue is fixed. |
| 04:09.06 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: did you get the document? |
| 04:09.07 | coywolf | greycat, {} need to be '{}' ? |
| 04:09.12 | greycat | coywolf: no |
| 04:09.18 | sussudio | SerajewelKS: why do you even _want_ to run a webserver on dialup? |
| 04:09.36 | SerajewelKS | sussudio: i use it for PHP/MySQL development |
| 04:09.42 | SerajewelKS | when i'm offline |
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| 04:09.53 | johnga1t | anyone here use integrated video on via's cle266 chipset? |
| 04:09.56 | SerajewelKS | i also use it for publishing temporary HTML documents |
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| 04:11.27 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: you still there? |
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| 04:12.54 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: mental illness? |
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| 04:13.23 | digijohn | Who in here uses multiheading? |
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| 04:13.55 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Hi all please dont yell at me becuase its kinda a windows question, but I have munin on all of my linux server, and I just ordered a new server that im going to run windows on becuase I need to test to see if some applications run better on windows. What is a windows version of munin? that holds all the stats about how the server is running every 5 mins or so.. thanks |
| 04:14.04 | *** topic/#debian by greycat -> READ THE FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ THE BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | Debian != Knoppix | sarge Base+Standard is now frozen; RC1 installer: /msg dpkg d-i | BROKEN: gcc (#268338) use apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-overwrite" install gcc; libapr0 (#266165) | FIXED: kdelibs4 (#266504) | SECURITY: READ YOUR DSA! |
| 04:14.36 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | what is dsa? |
| 04:14.49 | asg | Tweak`TG-Onwer: debian security announcment |
| 04:15.05 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | asg ok thanks is that an email? or just go to debians website? |
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| 04:15.35 | asg | Tweak`TG-Onwer: it's a mailing list thought the website lists them too |
| 04:15.40 | asg | s/thought/though/ |
| 04:16.06 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | ok thanks I will look for it |
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| 04:17.01 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | asg oh I dont do streaming servers. Thanks though |
| 04:17.19 | asg | Tweak`TG-Onwer: :) |
| 04:17.35 | asg | Tweak`TG-Onwer: DSAs cover local exploits as well |
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| 04:18.24 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: ? |
| 04:18.59 | asg | SerajewelKS: he's either reading what you sent him or he's lost link; don't worry, he'll be back |
| 04:19.14 | SerajewelKS | asg: probably lost link... the page is like four paragraphs |
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| 04:22.45 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: port 4000 ain't working neither |
| 04:22.53 | RainbowW | is there a way to snoop tty output on an already-running task? |
| 04:22.58 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 04:22.59 | SerajewelKS | you sure? |
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| 04:23.19 | SerajewelKS | duh, my firewall... |
| 04:23.27 | Guerin | positive |
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| 04:23.37 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: try now |
| 04:23.40 | asg | Guerin: apologies for the ping, just seeing if you were still alive |
| 04:24.03 | Guerin | asg: didn't even notice |
| 04:24.08 | asg | Guerin: hah |
| 04:24.47 | Guerin | just been on the phone, first to a mate who wanted to talk my ear off about korean immigration policy, then to a mate just back from the UK who wants to go drinking even though it's the early hours of sunday morning, her time |
| 04:24.50 | dub | my god I hate X |
| 04:25.08 | RainbowW | dub: compare windows. :) |
| 04:25.09 | dub | Package xfce4 is not installed, so not removed (why the fuck does it still boot to it then?) |
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| 04:25.21 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: it working now? |
| 04:25.28 | helix | dub: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager |
| 04:25.36 | RainbowW | dub: runlevel 3? :) |
| 04:25.37 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: nope. |
| 04:25.50 | Guerin | dub: xfce4 is a metapackage, I believe |
| 04:25.57 | dub | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Aug 27 20:32 /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/xfwm4 |
| 04:26.06 | Guerin | dub: it's xfwm4 and others you need to remove |
| 04:26.11 | dan2 | dub: update-alternatives --display x-window-manager |
| 04:26.13 | exobyte | How can I run a program remotely and get it to display on the local screen? |
| 04:26.17 | asg | RainbowW: you could always do 'strings /proc/kcore | grep ... | tail -f' |
| 04:26.22 | poing | exobyte: with X |
| 04:26.24 | Vulcanius | anyone here have a toshiba satellite laptop> |
| 04:26.24 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: double-duh, i forgot to start the noip client |
| 04:26.39 | digijohn | exobyte: <programname> -display hostname:0 |
| 04:26.40 | Guerin | exobyte: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 04:26.40 | digijohn | I think |
| 04:26.44 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: or wait... |
| 04:26.48 | exobyte | poing: heh |
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| 04:26.57 | gravity | Yay. Cute scrollkeeper errors on upgrade. |
| 04:26.58 | eelab2000 | hi |
| 04:27.01 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: the DNS is working... |
| 04:27.01 | poing | DISPLAY=hostname:0 programname is usually more portable |
| 04:27.16 | Guerin | it resolves, just won't connect |
| 04:27.23 | exobyte | digijohn: thx. I'll try that. The app is xine, if that helps. |
| 04:27.24 | poing | the -display arg is an Xt thing, might not be using that |
| 04:27.26 | RainbowW | asg: with '...' representing what? |
| 04:27.43 | digijohn | Why do I keep getting "Message from syslogd@hiro at Sat Aug 28 21:22:59 2004 ... |
| 04:27.44 | digijohn | hiro kernel: Disabling IRQ #7" |
| 04:27.49 | digijohn | In my xterms? |
| 04:27.50 | asg | RainbowW: whatever you want to look for (remove the '| tail -f' bit, it was erroneous) |
| 04:28.18 | Guerin | digijohn: omfg, hiro has haxx0r3d j00r box |
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| 04:28.31 | dub | wtf, if I switch to a vc the monitor powers down |
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| 04:28.49 | Guerin | dub: does it power back up? |
| 04:28.55 | dub | no |
| 04:29.00 | Guerin | dub: badness. |
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| 04:29.11 | digijohn | Guerin: Thanks :-) |
| 04:29.16 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: the firewall's rules were in the wrong order |
| 04:29.19 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: try one more time |
| 04:29.27 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: or not |
| 04:29.33 | hi3p3r | heya all, is there anyone there that might be able to help me with woody backporting |
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| 04:29.37 | Tweak`TG-Onwer | Hi all please dont yell at me becuase its kinda a windows question, but I have munin on all of my linux server, and I just ordered a new server that im going to run windows on becuase I need to test to see if some applications run better on windows. What is a windows version of munin? that holds all the stats about how the server is running every 5 mins or so.. thanks |
| 04:29.38 | exobyte | it is x, but no user is logged in |
| 04:29.52 | digijohn | This is getting annoying... a syslog message every few minutes on my xterms |
| 04:29.53 | Jamie_Z | http://logicerror.dyndns.org/debian/error.html <-- i know a few people who have this problem; any idea whats wrong? |
| 04:30.17 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: the DNS is pointing to the wrong place.. dang it all |
| 04:30.20 | scarynetworkguy | digijohn: so fix your syslog |
| 04:30.23 | gravity | Uh oh... gweled... just what I need. New crack to replace my frozen-bubble addiction |
| 04:30.40 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: hahaha |
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| 04:30.51 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i hope someone didn't steal my password |
| 04:31.04 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: sounds like you need to go have a cup of tea and a lie down |
| 04:31.05 | digijohn | scarynetworkguy: How? |
| 04:31.19 | asg | digijohn: /msg dpkg klogd |
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| 04:31.54 | asg | digijohn: the bit about disabling non-critical kernel messages |
| 04:32.08 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: no i just need to finish my dist-upgrade |
| 04:32.22 | SerajewelKS | dealing with a half-woody, half-sarge system has it's.. uh.. perks |
| 04:32.36 | asg | !bobbitt |
| 04:32.36 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 04:32.49 | Guerin | Jamie_Z: is that to do with the gcc bug in the topic? |
| 04:32.50 | hi3p3r | lmao |
| 04:32.56 | poing | dealing with sid is even more fun |
| 04:32.59 | SerajewelKS | WHAT THE CRAP?! |
| 04:33.01 | poing | try kde on sid |
| 04:33.02 | digijohn | asg: Adding "-c 2" to the KLOGD variable will fix that? |
| 04:33.09 | asg | digijohn: or -c 1 |
| 04:33.19 | SerajewelKS | how come 'dig' on pyromaniacs.hopto.org turns up the correct IP, but telnetting to pyromaniacs.hopto.org turns up a different IP? |
| 04:33.33 | asg | SerajewelKS: one consults /etc/hosts, the other doesn't |
| 04:33.41 | digijohn | Thanks |
| 04:34.08 | Jamie_Z | Guerin: but paying attention would be too logical |
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| 04:34.21 | Guerin | Jamie_Z: yeah, apparently so. |
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| 04:34.45 | Jamie_Z | Guerin: ive got my american citizenship now, i can plainly put the blame on that :) |
| 04:35.08 | hi3p3r | I cant seem to get openldap2 to install as a backport, I think its something I'm not doing right, anyone able to point me in the right direction with backporting? |
| 04:35.44 | SerajewelKS | asg: /etc/hosts is empty |
| 04:35.54 | gravity | geweled... evil fun |
| 04:36.15 | asg | SerajewelKS: it shouldn't be, but that's another story. |
| 04:36.55 | asg | SerajewelKS: what ip does the 'telnet' command bring up? |
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| 04:37.02 | SerajewelKS | asg: i mean empty as in the only thing is 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 04:37.22 | Jamie_Z | SerajewelKS: thats not empty, now it is? |
| 04:37.29 | SerajewelKS | asg: two IPs: 216.234.246.150, 216.234.246.149 |
| 04:37.45 | scarynetworkguy | Jamie_Z: well it's empty except for the stuff that's in there.. |
| 04:37.49 | SerajewelKS | asg: dig -x on those returns host149.theplanet.com |
| 04:37.57 | scarynetworkguy | and everything is the same except for the stuff I changed |
| 04:38.01 | scarynetworkguy | at random |
| 04:38.08 | Jamie_Z | scarynetworkguy: aaah, yes, that plainly explains it :) |
| 04:38.10 | ike6116 | Im attempting to install a 2.6 kernel "The Debian Way" (as per <http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html>) and each time I attempt to boot it kernel panics complaining about the root device. Yet, when I apt-get a kernel 2.6 image it works just fine, I notice in the grub menu.lst the ones I compile myself dont have initrd's, how do I generate these? and why would 'apt-get install <preMadeKernel>' automagic |
| 04:38.16 | scarynetworkguy | Jamie_Z: heh |
| 04:38.45 | poing | wonder what the debian way is. i use make-kpkg |
| 04:38.59 | ike6116 | poing: that is the debian way |
| 04:39.02 | poing | ah |
| 04:39.10 | ike6116 | according to that guy |
| 04:39.19 | dan2 | asg: I'll see ya tomorrow I'm tired |
| 04:39.27 | poing | is so easy for me. wonder why it didnt create an initrd. you compiled with support for it, right? |
| 04:39.41 | ike6116 | I believe so |
| 04:39.44 | Guerin | wooo, xmms crashy crashy when playing a flac with size = 0 |
| 04:40.02 | ike6116 | is it listed as initrd? |
| 04:40.04 | SerajewelKS | asg: my DNS servers work |
| 04:40.13 | SerajewelKS | asg: looks like a problem with this guy's DNS servers |
| 04:40.23 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: http://pyromaniacs.hopto.org:4000/~chris/leb.html |
| 04:40.30 | poing | i wish the build process had sanity checks. i had to recompile twice, one was because i compiled IDE as a module |
| 04:40.30 | Jamie_Z | Guerin: size != 0; |
| 04:40.38 | poing | and the other because i compiled my root fs as a module |
| 04:40.39 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: if that does not work, your ISP is screwy |
| 04:41.06 | poing | linux is not happy about your root filesystem and drive being modules :) |
| 04:41.08 | Jonex | About how many php users can a 150MHz pc handle? |
| 04:41.12 | ike6116 | I have ext3 as a module this time, I have tried it before built in to the same results |
| 04:41.42 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: or you could use the IP from my /whois |
| 04:41.52 | dub | Package xfwm4 is not installed, so not removed |
| 04:41.58 | dub | still loads up though |
| 04:42.14 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: no, I got it |
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| 04:42.18 | digijohn | Gar. Now xmms is broken |
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| 04:42.30 | ike6116 | poing: just so I can be sure where is "support for initrd" listed? |
| 04:42.51 | nono31 | I lost my mysql root password... how I can find it back? |
| 04:43.11 | Jamie_Z | nono31: www.mysql.com; rtfm. |
| 04:43.29 | zinx | nono31: you can't |
| 04:43.38 | Jamie_Z | zinx: yes you can |
| 04:43.44 | zinx | no you can't, you can only change it |
| 04:43.56 | poing | ike6116: not sure offhand. filesystems? |
| 04:43.58 | Jamie_Z | zinx: well yes, technically |
| 04:44.00 | zinx | the password is hashed |
| 04:44.09 | digijohn | Multihead is nice, but not worth the effort. Goodbye, second video card and monitor |
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| 04:44.17 | ike6116 | ugh, more compiling, thank god for Adult Swim |
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| 04:44.37 | Jamie_Z | porn, the greatest inventions since electricity |
| 04:44.43 | nono31 | zinx: but how I can change it? |
| 04:44.59 | zinx | nono31: rtfm :) |
| 04:45.10 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: that's a good letter. A couple things: 1) the url is spelt wrong - it's lebliTZer.com. 2) Include the direct url to the files which infringe, and request that that specific file and all others which infringe be removed. |
| 04:45.16 | dub | what file do you edit to change the default wm |
| 04:45.17 | Jamie_Z | nono31: what zinx said sounds familiar :) |
| 04:45.24 | dub | using xdm |
| 04:45.29 | Jamie_Z | dub: .xsession |
| 04:45.29 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: okay, you sure it's lebliTZer.com? |
| 04:45.35 | nono31 | Jamie_Z: I'll do this so! ;-) |
| 04:45.45 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: try it and see :) |
| 04:45.55 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: also, only members of this site can access the website, but membership is free |
| 04:46.03 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: does that impact my case at all? |
| 04:46.06 | Guerin | you have the t and z swapped around |
| 04:46.13 | Guerin | hrm, good question. |
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| 04:46.35 | dub | Jamie_Z, doesnt exist |
| 04:46.39 | Guerin | I don't believe so, as long as source remains available to anyone who gets a binary |
| 04:46.53 | peterS | Guerin: you mean, anyone who gets a binary *from you* |
| 04:47.00 | Guerin | peterS: sure. |
| 04:47.05 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: oh i see the spelling error |
| 04:47.16 | peterS | Guerin: if someone then gives the binary away to someone else, it's not *my* responsibility to give the source to that third party |
| 04:47.18 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i thought you meant part of the URL was captialized ;) |
| 04:47.23 | peterS | Guerin: this is actually an important point (: |
| 04:47.45 | Guerin | peterS: sure, I took that as understood. |
| 04:47.47 | Jamie_Z | dub: rtfm on xdm :) |
| 04:47.56 | Guerin | peterS: but it does bear clarification. |
| 04:47.57 | Jamie_Z | look at all these acronyms :D |
| 04:48.17 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: how does the letter look now? |
| 04:48.38 | coywolf | debain doesnt have Glimpse, right/ |
| 04:48.42 | peterS | Guerin: right. I think it's ok to have non-public source if you're giving out binaries in a non-public way |
| 04:48.51 | Jamie_Z | coywolf: take a look and answer your own question |
| 04:48.57 | peterS | Guerin: this is only true because you're not responsible for giving source to people who got their binaries further down the line |
| 04:49.21 | coywolf | Jamie_Z, apt-cache shows no |
| 04:49.36 | SerajewelKS | mainly this is an issue that he replaced my name with his in the *copyright notice* |
| 04:49.47 | SerajewelKS | he is giving out his modified source |
| 04:49.52 | coywolf | Jamie_Z, i just not sure |
| 04:49.54 | SerajewelKS | so it's not an issue of open-source-ness |
| 04:49.55 | Jamie_Z | coywolf: there is a good probebility that debian doesnt have a package for that; your next alternative is to get it from another binary or from source and compile ;) |
| 04:49.57 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, absolutely. If you have to be a member to get a binary, then having to be a member to get source is no problem |
| 04:50.05 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: refresh the letter |
| 04:50.06 | Guerin | but since this is a perl script, it's moot :) |
| 04:50.19 | peterS | Guerin: heh. I missed that last bit of context |
| 04:50.23 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: no, he is also distributing the perl2exe'd file |
| 04:50.27 | dub | !fuck X |
| 04:50.31 | exobyte | I'm trying to remotly launch xine via ssh and display on the the screen of the host computer with x. How do I force the display? |
| 04:50.33 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: Yeah, looks fine. I'd specify "and all other infringing files" as well, so he can't weasel around it. |
| 04:50.46 | Jamie_Z | !fuck me |
| 04:50.50 | Jamie_Z | w00r |
| 04:50.52 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: ah, ok. I didn't sign up for an account, so I wouldn't know :P |
| 04:51.44 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: refresh |
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| 04:52.26 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: and refresh once more =) |
| 04:53.07 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: Ok, your letter gets the Louis Guerin stamp of approval, for what that's worth. |
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| 04:53.26 | Guerin | (that and a buck will get you a sunday paper) |
| 04:53.43 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: lol thanks |
| 04:53.54 | SerajewelKS | thanks a bunch guys. if he doesn't comply, can i sue him for cash? |
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| 04:54.00 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: doubtful |
| 04:54.06 | hi3p3r | anyone had success with backporting to woody? |
| 04:54.10 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: then what can i do |
| 04:54.37 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: ask the EFF. |
| 04:54.41 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: lol okay |
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| 04:55.59 | SerajewelKS | well this has been an interesting day |
| 04:56.09 | fat``away | hi, i'm just wongerind.. i have /etc/gtk |
| 04:56.19 | fat``away | yet it says i dun have gtk-configure script |
| 04:56.22 | fat``away | am i missing something? |
| 04:57.08 | SerajewelKS | oh and now i have a debian-related question |
| 04:57.22 | SerajewelKS | i have php4-mysql installed, but the mysql module does not show up in the phpinfo() output |
| 04:57.47 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: you might need to manually add it to phpinfo.ini or whatever, and/or to httpd.conf |
| 04:58.17 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: i guessed that. what should i add, and where? |
| 04:58.19 | JDahl | I'm having troubles getting my usb harddrive to boot linux, and I think I found a bug report about a related problem (basically some SCSI modules doesnt not get loaded rendering the root disk inaccessible) (bugreport:http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=263169). They suggest to patch 'mkinitrd'. I booted linux normally and mounted the initrd.img file from my usb drive, can I just apply the patch to the file in there |
| 04:58.23 | fat``away | ah i found it, nvm |
| 04:58.32 | SerajewelKS | oh and speaking of USB drives... |
| 04:59.01 | SerajewelKS | i have a 4-in-1 USB card reader, and the kernel insists on mounting my SD card as 'msdos' instead of 'vfat' which means i only see 8.3 filenames |
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| 04:59.16 | peterS | SerajewelKS: how do you mean "the kernel insists"? |
| 04:59.22 | peterS | SerajewelKS: what happens when you try to mount it as vfat? |
| 04:59.25 | SerajewelKS | when i mount it with -t vfat it complains that it's not a FAT drive |
| 04:59.33 | SerajewelKS | 'bad superblock', blah blah |
| 04:59.39 | SerajewelKS | it worked fine on redhat |
| 04:59.41 | peterS | strange |
| 04:59.46 | peterS | and it works with -t msdos? |
| 04:59.49 | SerajewelKS | yes |
| 04:59.56 | SerajewelKS | in /etc/fstab it's 'auto' |
| 05:00.05 | SerajewelKS | changing it to 'vfat' yields the bad superblock error |
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| 05:00.19 | SerajewelKS | the partition table says it's FAT16 |
| 05:00.29 | SerajewelKS | (it's formatted for palmos devices) |
| 05:00.48 | peterS | SerajewelKS: right. I wonder if backing up the data and doing 'mkdosfs' on it would help |
| 05:01.04 | peterS | SerajewelKS: assuming this palmos device doesn't mind reading fat filesystems created by linux |
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| 05:01.23 | SerajewelKS | i had problems with mkfs.vfat |
| 05:01.23 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: I don;t know exactly, I did it once about six months ago |
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| 05:01.31 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: #apache and/or #php know |
| 05:01.38 | peterS | curiouser and curiouser |
| 05:01.54 | SerajewelKS | i know linux can do this, as i said it worked on redhat |
| 05:02.06 | SerajewelKS | i did find something interesting though |
| 05:02.10 | mmix | has anyone experienced problems upgrading gcc-3.3 on sarge? |
| 05:02.25 | SerajewelKS | file -s /dev/sda1 says it's some sort of clip-art file |
| 05:02.37 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:02.48 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: vfat == clipart? That's a good one... |
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| 05:02.56 | peterS | SerajewelKS: here's a thought. install mtools and edit /etc/mtools.conf to use /dev/sda1 for, say, "s:" |
| 05:03.02 | peterS | SerajewelKS: then see if 'mdir s:' works as vfat |
| 05:03.12 | mmix | i am getting dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/gcc-3.3_1%3a3.3.4-6sarge1.1_i386.deb (--unpack) |
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| 05:03.26 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: let me get the card and i'll give the exact quote |
| 05:03.33 | peterS | SerajewelKS: I use both 'mount' and mtools for my USB flash drives |
| 05:04.08 | herbi | rghgh |
| 05:04.14 | herbi | mozila-firefox is borked |
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| 05:04.36 | peterS | !topicsmite mmix |
| 05:04.36 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mmix. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 05:04.52 | gravity | !topicbadger mmix |
| 05:04.52 | dpkg | /topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*READ IT*READ IT*/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic/topic*a shaaame it's a shaaame that mmix didn't read the*/topic/topic/topic/topic... |
| 05:05.09 | SerajewelKS | holy crap |
| 05:05.12 | SerajewelKS | it's not clip-art anymore! |
| 05:05.26 | peterS | SerajewelKS: someone is hax0ring your SD card |
| 05:05.40 | SerajewelKS | and, wouldn't you know it, mount -t vfat works |
| 05:05.51 | SerajewelKS | i swear this was not working yesterday ;) |
| 05:05.56 | SerajewelKS | O_o |
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| 05:06.50 | peterS | SerajewelKS: I believe you, actually |
| 05:07.04 | SerajewelKS | BOTH of my sd cards are working... |
| 05:07.12 | peterS | SerajewelKS: but one possibility is that you were trying to mount '/dev/sda' instead of '/dev/sda1' - a typo or thinko |
| 05:07.13 | SerajewelKS | file -s on the 128mb card reports an I/O error though |
| 05:07.21 | SerajewelKS | nope, it was /dev/sda1 |
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| 05:07.27 | beachdog_ | help flood |
| 05:07.37 | SerajewelKS | mount /dev/sda doesn't even mount as msdos |
| 05:07.47 | peterS | SerajewelKS: right, it shouldn't as either one |
| 05:07.51 | SerajewelKS | maybe putting the cards in the palm for the day fixed them |
| 05:08.02 | peterS | SerajewelKS: I just thought, if you were typing command lines, you might have mistyped sda1 as sda for the vfat case |
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| 05:08.12 | dub | no mention of xfce in xdm-config |
| 05:08.13 | SerajewelKS | no, i edited the fstab for that one |
| 05:08.22 | peterS | SerajewelKS: oh well, there goes *that* theory |
| 05:08.24 | SerajewelKS | i would have had to delete the '1' |
| 05:08.32 | SerajewelKS | probably just a fluke |
| 05:08.35 | SerajewelKS | weirder things have happened |
| 05:09.14 | dub | where does xdm look to decide which wm to load |
| 05:09.15 | SerajewelKS | whoa interesting |
| 05:09.27 | SerajewelKS | i *HAVE* to specify -t vfat or it uses msdos |
| 05:09.33 | SerajewelKS | can i alter the preferred filesystem order? |
| 05:09.50 | peterS | SerajewelKS: load the 'vfat' module before loading the 'msdos' module |
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| 05:10.05 | peterS | SerajewelKS: see 'lsmod' or /proc/filesystems for the current order |
| 05:10.10 | gravity | dub: It probably executes your ~/.xsession if that exists, then it'll load your preference from /etc/alternatives (man update-alternatives for more on that) |
| 05:10.21 | gravity | It's been a while since I looked at the Xsession script |
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| 05:11.06 | SerajewelKS | peterS: how do i change the order? |
| 05:11.41 | SerajewelKS | DANG IT ALL |
| 05:11.45 | SerajewelKS | it's not reading vfat anymore |
| 05:11.49 | dub | gravity, there are no .xsession's and the output from update-alternatives --display x-window-manager doesnt mention the wm that is loading (xfce) |
| 05:11.58 | peterS | SerajewelKS: well, unload the msdos module and just don't refer to filesystem type msdos ever again |
| 05:12.03 | peterS | SerajewelKS: then it won't autoload in the future |
| 05:12.06 | SerajewelKS | not as a normal user anyway |
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| 05:12.14 | dimm0k | is there a file that is always executed when a dsl link starts up? |
| 05:12.22 | dipNZn00dle | is that gcc problem just in unstable? |
| 05:12.23 | peterS | SerajewelKS: if you want to make sure the order is right, add "vfat" to /etc/modules |
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| 05:12.46 | gravity | dub: How about x-session-manager ? |
| 05:12.51 | peterS | dipNZn00dle: yes. sarge has its own gcc troubles but I believe they stem from the fact that gcc in unstable can't migrate over just yet |
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| 05:13.10 | dub | dont, and yes its in there |
| 05:13.25 | dub | thanks |
| 05:13.48 | gravity | mmix: Ask in the channel for help so everyone can help you |
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| 05:14.10 | gravity | mmix: You obviously didn't read the part about /topic that said to /msg bots NOT people |
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| 05:15.19 | mmix | apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-overwrite" install gcc |
| 05:15.26 | mmix | gcc is already the newest version. |
| 05:16.02 | HydroSan | apt-get install --reinstall? |
| 05:16.09 | gravity | Did you install libapr0 too? |
| 05:16.13 | mmix | HydroSan, tried that |
| 05:16.13 | gravity | That's part of the command listed |
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| 05:16.41 | HydroSan | By the way, is there a sort of Debian Wiki I can go to for quick information? |
| 05:17.03 | gravity | !topicbadger HydroSan |
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| 05:17.31 | gravity | HydroSan: In addition to that one, there's wiki.debian.net |
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| 05:17.46 | mmix | apt-get -o DPkg::Options="--force-overwrite" install gcc libapr0 |
| 05:17.52 | klipper | hey all |
| 05:18.04 | mmix | now when i do apt-get dist-upgrade i still get the same error |
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| 05:18.22 | dub | wierd, I update-alternatives --remove xfce4 x-session-manager then /etc/init.d/xdm restart then try to switch to a vc and the monitor powers down |
| 05:18.30 | mmix | gravity, should I do --reinstall? |
| 05:18.36 | gravity | mmix: I don't know |
| 05:18.46 | gravity | mmix: I'd just put the damn thing on hold for now until it's solved |
| 05:18.53 | notherLuser | /msg dpkg iptables |
| 05:18.54 | gravity | Unless you desperately *need* the latest gcc |
| 05:18.55 | klipper | i had to do a cold shutdown of my deb sys, and now i cant boot...grub wont load or something, it just sits there displaying "GRUB" |
| 05:19.19 | herbi | klipper, what was your computer doing when you cold shutdown'd it |
| 05:19.33 | dub | this is horrible |
| 05:19.35 | mmix | gravity, I thought a solution was available |
| 05:19.48 | mmix | gravity, I don't really need the latest gcc that bad |
| 05:19.49 | klipper | i dont know.... my screen and kb and mouse were disconnected |
| 05:19.55 | mwilson | gravity: You know he'll just die if he doesn't have the latest and greatest. |
| 05:19.58 | dub | never had to reboot a linux box outside fo a kernel rebuild untill I install X |
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| 05:20.06 | herbi | klipper, right. |
| 05:20.07 | klipper | my brother is a controlling ass hole |
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| 05:20.39 | gravity | dub: Why are you rebooting to deal with xfce? |
| 05:20.41 | gravity | That's a waste |
| 05:20.49 | klipper | he got pissed and decided to yonk the kvm that he insisted on me using |
| 05:20.56 | dub | because the system stopped responding physically |
| 05:20.59 | gravity | dub: Just make yourself a stupid ~/.xsession where you have the last line be "exec foo" where foo is the wm you want |
| 05:21.04 | gravity | dub: Problem solved |
| 05:21.17 | herbi | dub, in your case exec startxfce4 |
| 05:21.17 | gravity | Ouch. Fun with X. |
| 05:21.26 | herbi | klipper, right. so why did you cold shut down? |
| 05:21.39 | dub | switching to any vc powers down the monitor |
| 05:21.39 | klipper | i hod no other way |
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| 05:21.42 | herbi | klipper, no ssh? |
| 05:21.47 | klipper | no |
| 05:21.52 | herbi | thatll learn you. |
| 05:21.59 | klipper | i have no other comps to ssh with |
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| 05:22.10 | herbi | no idea. use the debian rescue disk to boot it and see what happens |
| 05:22.23 | klipper | ok |
| 05:22.34 | herbi | klipper, you have no other comps but your brother insists you use a kvm? |
| 05:22.36 | klipper | would knoppix be of any help? |
| 05:22.37 | herbi | *sigh* |
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| 05:22.48 | dub | :( it still boots into xfce |
| 05:22.49 | herbi | try the rescue disk firs |
| 05:22.58 | klipper | he's an ass...insistant on being in control |
| 05:23.03 | herbi | dub, what do you want to boot it to? |
| 05:23.08 | dub | anything but |
| 05:23.14 | klipper | but he is moving out tomarrow! thank god!! |
| 05:23.14 | Guerin | klipper: tell him to dih |
| 05:23.15 | herbi | so change your .xsession |
| 05:23.15 | dub | absolutely anything |
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| 05:23.22 | dub | there is no .xsession |
| 05:23.25 | herbi | MAKE ONE |
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| 05:23.51 | tvn | what program can I use to show which program is using the network bandwidth |
| 05:23.56 | Yoba | linux sucks.. doesn't even have a usb network driver |
| 05:23.56 | herbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.57 | klipper | # rm /dev/brother/ass |
| 05:24.00 | steelhoof | http://www.votersondrugs.com/ |
| 05:24.06 | herbi | Yoba, actually it does. |
| 05:24.07 | asadiq | how do i take a picture a picture of my entire desktop? i cannot seem to do it with xv or xwd... |
| 05:24.13 | steelhoof | oops |
| 05:24.16 | gravity | asadiq: gimp works well for me |
| 05:24.19 | steelhoof | hello |
| 05:24.21 | Yoba | herbi, where |
| 05:24.24 | herbi | asadiq, you can use those programs to take a whole screenshot if you read the manpage |
| 05:24.27 | herbi | Yoba, go look for it ;) |
| 05:24.29 | steelhoof | abroaman around? |
| 05:24.41 | herbi | asadiq, i believe the command is xwd -root or similar |
| 05:24.42 | steelhoof | abrotman around? |
| 05:24.43 | Yoba | I have looked at 2.6.7 |
| 05:24.43 | somiaj | asadiq: I'd install imagemagick and use import, scrot is another nice tool. |
| 05:24.45 | Yoba | couldn't find it |
| 05:24.46 | `Sid | asadiq: imagemagick |
| 05:25.03 | dipNZn00dle | dub, you might try update-alternatives also |
| 05:25.14 | gravity | scrot has probably the worst name of any app I've seen |
| 05:25.28 | herbi | lol |
| 05:25.35 | herbi | wheres phated |
| 05:25.39 | Yoba | herbi, for which hardware... I am using linksys |
| 05:25.50 | herbi | Yoba, i am not your friend. google is. |
| 05:25.52 | dub | dipNZn00dle, been down that track, removed xfce from x-session-manager |
| 05:25.56 | herbi | OMG |
| 05:25.57 | herbi | dub |
| 05:25.59 | herbi | listen to me ok? |
| 05:26.00 | dub | whats a clean way to restart xdm? |
| 05:26.07 | dub | herbi, I have thank you, |
| 05:26.16 | herbi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:26.42 | dipNZn00dle | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 05:26.45 | dub | ok, it came back that time |
| 05:26.49 | herbi | dipNZn00dle, that is NOT a clean way |
| 05:27.09 | herbi | dub, huh? speak in proper english and ill be glad to help you. |
| 05:27.10 | dub | dont want to walk over to it too often either |
| 05:27.21 | herbi | have you edited your .xsession? |
| 05:27.41 | dub | herbi, the last two times I restarted it like that the box stops responding physically, as in no vc's no X |
| 05:27.55 | Yoba | herbi, does it have, a wireles usb network adapter driver ? |
| 05:27.55 | herbi | *sigh* |
| 05:28.02 | gravity | I can't recommend making a ~/.xsession enough |
| 05:28.04 | dub | yes I have edited the .xsession and it seemed to restart ok this time, so im now getting up to go try it |
| 05:28.04 | herbi | Yoba, google, goddamnit. |
| 05:28.26 | Yoba | am looking at the Config.in of http://lxr.linux.no/source/drivers/usb/ |
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| 05:28.38 | herbi | thats nice. |
| 05:28.48 | Yoba | yes... googling that too.. if you know off hand that will be great.. but if not I will google on |
| 05:29.00 | herbi | dub, let me just reiterate the steps to make sure you havent missed anything |
| 05:29.13 | herbi | 1. apt-get your new window manager/desktop enviroment of choice |
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| 05:29.30 | herbi | 2. edit ~/.xsession ..it should read exec <wm> |
| 05:29.38 | herbi | where <wm> is your wm of choice. |
| 05:29.41 | dub | save your breath, its working now, many thanks |
| 05:29.46 | herbi | there you go |
| 05:30.15 | dipNZn00dle | dub, just curious, what window manager are u using now? |
| 05:30.41 | dub | next time I ask 'whats a good wm' I will check to see that what is recommended is actually a wm not a session manager |
| 05:30.49 | dub | dipNZn00dle, fluxbox umong others |
| 05:30.53 | dub | among* |
| 05:31.09 | dipNZn00dle | nice choice :D |
| 05:31.13 | dub | if you have any suggestions im all ear |
| 05:31.16 | herbi | phatedphatedphated |
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| 05:31.31 | herbi | dub, i use fluxbox personally but i <3 xfce |
| 05:31.40 | herbi | id use xfce if my monitor was bigger |
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| 05:31.52 | dub | I want to be able to switch between wms |
| 05:32.05 | dub | (from within x) |
| 05:32.15 | herbi | not advised |
| 05:32.17 | dub | xfce doesnt seem to allow that |
| 05:32.32 | dipNZn00dle | try icewm, its my favorite :) |
| 05:32.51 | herbi | i dont like icewm one bit. |
| 05:33.00 | hanasaki | eroaster cannot detect my cdrw drive. it worked fine in 2.6.2 i am on kernel 2.6.7 now. has something changed? |
| 05:33.13 | herbi | hanasaki, are you using SCSI emulation? |
| 05:33.19 | hanasaki | yes |
| 05:33.25 | herbi | hanasaki, then go rtfm. :) |
| 05:33.31 | hanasaki | lol |
| 05:33.31 | herbi | SCSI emulation is obsolete. |
| 05:33.32 | hanasaki | which one |
| 05:33.46 | herbi | 2.6.x supports full ATAPI burning |
| 05:33.57 | herbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.58 | hanasaki | i know its on its way out. it is still in the kernel though.. and eroaster doesnt support atapi |
| 05:33.59 | herbi | or google |
| 05:34.32 | dub | dipNZn00dle, thanks, icewm looks like what im after (monkey friendly) |
| 05:34.34 | herbi | hanasaki, then eroaster is obsolete also :) |
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| 05:34.47 | dipNZn00dle | dub icewm, very configurable, mouse free if you like, winkey will pop up the menu |
| 05:35.03 | dub | and not too scary for winbound lusers |
| 05:35.19 | hanasaki | lol |
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| 05:35.59 | hanasaki | herbi: thanks |
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| 05:36.07 | dipNZn00dle | dub, takes a little conifuring to make it perfect though |
| 05:36.19 | helix | !nickometer dipNZn00dle |
| 05:36.19 | dpkg | 'dipNZn00dle' is 67.000% lame, helix |
| 05:36.23 | helix | that's all? |
| 05:36.46 | gravity | Yeah, that's a shame |
| 05:37.04 | dipNZn00dle | icewm wins again :) |
| 05:37.11 | herbi | !nickometer me |
| 05:37.16 | helix | they should just name it iswim |
| 05:37.20 | herbi | owned. 0% lame! |
| 05:37.37 | gravity | Yes, but for saying "owned" you have become personally lame |
| 05:37.39 | peterS | herbi: people use compulsively check their own nickometer readings are already more than 0% lame |
| 05:37.42 | peterS | herbi: sorry |
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| 05:37.57 | peterS | derrrr, s/use/who/ |
| 05:38.10 | gravity | heh |
| 05:38.12 | herbi | peterS, i dont compulsivley check it...i didnt even know it existed till 10 lines ago |
| 05:38.24 | helix | but it was like a compulsion |
| 05:38.26 | helix | you *had* to check it |
| 05:38.29 | helix | otherwise, you would die |
| 05:38.35 | herbi | you think? |
| 05:38.37 | herbi | check this |
| 05:38.39 | helix | maybe |
| 05:38.39 | herbi | *finger* |
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| 05:38.59 | gravity | That's quite a pinky you've got there |
| 05:39.00 | DA_ | haha |
| 05:39.00 | peterS | anyway, herbi, it's not your fault |
| 05:39.14 | peterS | I blame helix, who never should have given you ideas in the first place |
| 05:39.21 | herbi | exactly |
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| 05:39.31 | herbi | thus all lameness falls squarely on his shoulders |
| 05:39.37 | gravity | helix: You're like a gateway drug |
| 05:39.40 | peterS | ha |
| 05:39.50 | gravity | helix: I'll just call you "potlix" from now on |
| 05:39.57 | gravity | Although that sounds perverse... |
| 05:39.58 | SuperPhly | does anyone know of an easy way to get debian to install on a nforce2 machine without having to do a crazy workaround? like is there a boot cd that has the kernel already patched for me? |
| 05:40.01 | helix | "that's a many, baby!" |
| 05:40.04 | helix | gravity: heh |
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| 05:40.08 | helix | err, s/many/man/ |
| 05:40.09 | gravity | SuperPhly: Use d-i |
| 05:40.15 | gravity | helix: Hahahaha |
| 05:40.16 | dipNZn00dle | marajunux |
| 05:40.18 | SuperPhly | d-i? |
| 05:40.24 | gravity | !d-i |
| 05:40.25 | dpkg | hmm... d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
| 05:40.25 | SuperPhly | gravity: what's that |
| 05:40.27 | Yoba | !nickometer me |
| 05:40.33 | helix | it would rule if they called it d-i-y |
| 05:40.36 | peterS | gravity: you could just call helix Mary Jane |
| 05:40.37 | Mandulis | does debian have a CLI app to configure system, like SuSE's YAST |
| 05:40.41 | gravity | Ha! |
| 05:40.50 | Yoba | !nickometer Yoba |
| 05:40.51 | gravity | Mandulis: Not really |
| 05:40.58 | helix | peterS: I don't want to have a girls name |
| 05:40.58 | peterS | gravity: wanna tell him about c-d? |
| 05:41.03 | peterS | helix: oh, right, dude |
| 05:41.04 | ioerror | is there a know problem in sarge with samba? |
| 05:41.04 | gravity | peterS: Nah |
| 05:41.07 | taw | i'm having a weird problem, possibly locale-related (LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8), bash's buildin pwd returns "bash: pwd: write error: Success" or "bash: pwd: write error: No such file or directory" (depending on its mood mostly) when i run "pwd", "builtin pwd" or "bash -ic pwd", but works fine with "/bin/pwd", "`which pwd`" and "bash -c pwd" |
| 05:41.11 | Mandulis | k thnx gravity |
| 05:41.15 | gravity | peterS: I don't want to encourage bad habits |
| 05:41.16 | lunchbox | hey guys, looking to use iptables to forward ports 6885:6889 to a machine on my LAN for bittorrent. currently using iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth1 -d 192.168.0.2 --dport 6885:6889 -j ACCEPT < whats wrong with this? |
| 05:41.21 | peterS | gravity: heh |
| 05:41.22 | JosephSpiros | OK, so, I've got myself a Powerbook here, and I've got Sarge running on it with kernel-image-2.6.7-powerpc |
| 05:41.24 | gravity | peterS: Even if I enabled them :-p |
| 05:41.30 | JosephSpiros | I'm having a little trouble picking the proper module for sound |
| 05:41.40 | JosephSpiros | there's dmasound_pmac, and snd_powermac |
| 05:41.46 | zinx | lunchbox: uh, ACCEPT makes the current machine accept it as input |
| 05:41.48 | ioerror | hey there JosephSpiros |
| 05:41.50 | gravity | JosephSpiros: Install discover. It'll load the correct modules for you. |
| 05:41.54 | taw | strace shows that the last thing it does before printing error msg is checking locale files, none of which exists |
| 05:41.56 | helix | hm, klipper leaving reminds me I need to send some emails |
| 05:41.58 | lunchbox | mmk, so then just remove accept |
| 05:42.02 | JosephSpiros | dmasound_pmac is under "oss", I'm not sure which to load in order to use esound |
| 05:42.04 | zinx | lunchbox: erh, in the forward chain, it makes it accept the packet (which is already being forwarded) |
| 05:42.08 | taw | the /usr/share/locale/en*/LC_MESSAGES/libc.mo for various values of * |
| 05:42.14 | zinx | lunchbox: you need to start forwarding it first |
| 05:42.15 | peterS | JosephSpiros: the one is non-ALSA, the other is ALSA, if I'm not mistaken |
| 05:42.28 | peterS | JosephSpiros: I'd try the ALSA one first, snd_powermac |
| 05:42.33 | peterS | JosephSpiros: along with snd_pcm_oss |
| 05:42.34 | zinx | lunchbox: you really shouldn't need anything in the forward chain, unless you want to explicitly deny stuff |
| 05:42.55 | zinx | lunchbox: since it defaults to forward, and stuff only gets to it by explicitly being told to NAT |
| 05:42.55 | lunchbox | mmk... well what would i use then? |
| 05:43.05 | lunchbox | ah |
| 05:43.06 | zinx | lunchbox: erh, defaults to ACCEPT that is |
| 05:43.21 | zinx | lunchbox: i would imagine you want DNAT |
| 05:43.35 | lunchbox | mmmmmk |
| 05:43.36 | lunchbox | kewl |
| 05:43.37 | lunchbox | thx |
| 05:44.00 | taw | any idea what it could be ? |
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| 05:45.27 | gravity | Heh... my Dad just came in and saw my gnome-mahjongg window and asked me if I bought it :-) |
| 05:45.36 | peterS | gravity: hehe |
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| 05:45.43 | gravity | These are the little things I miss at home |
| 05:46.13 | gravity | Getting to say "No, this is linux. Everything is free!" is a nice kick |
| 05:46.44 | dipNZn00dle | law, are you doing this from root, or are you sudo'ing |
| 05:46.45 | gravity | Especially since I've spent the past week making fun of all the effort they put in to eradicating viruses and trojans on the home windows machines |
| 05:47.07 | JosephSpiros | peterS: thanks, I'm actually able to cat /dev/urandom to /dev/dsp now and get some static ;p |
| 05:47.33 | dub | Id like to work for an ISP that only allowed customers with unix systems to connect |
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| 05:48.17 | peterS | JosephSpiros: good deal |
| 05:48.43 | Mandulis | anyone here ever worked with Egroupware? |
| 05:48.48 | dipNZn00dle | but with linux, how would you know if you had a virus (not that it would make any difference). |
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| 05:49.18 | Cetch | hi |
| 05:49.20 | dipNZn00dle | no one writes linux virus's (yet). |
| 05:49.54 | helix | I wonder if "virus's" is better than "virii" |
| 05:49.58 | gravity | Ugh... the fucking fake gravity got on debstats in my place |
| 05:50.01 | gravity | grrr... |
| 05:50.07 | helix | gravity: haha |
| 05:50.11 | helix | that dude was a total dumbass too |
| 05:50.23 | gravity | The one that apparently said "so I did a hdd installation of knoppix" |
| 05:50.42 | helix | yeah, gravity, go to #knoppix |
| 05:50.45 | gravity | So some idiot who impersonated a d-i contributor did a knoppix hdd install. I love it. |
| 05:50.46 | helix | we don't need your kind in here. |
| 05:50.56 | gravity | grrr |
| 05:51.18 | helix | gravity: I dunno why you're so upset. that's what you get for not staying online 24/7 |
| 05:51.40 | gravity | Ha! |
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| 05:52.01 | gravity | Apparently so. That whole "needing the computer at work thing" is hurting my debstats standing! Can't have that! :-) |
| 05:52.03 | sussudio | why would anyone in their right mind try to impersonate a d-i contributor? |
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| 05:52.21 | sussudio | especially since they look like this: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/beta3.jpg |
| 05:52.40 | gravity | sussudio: He didn't actually do anything |
| 05:52.53 | dub | helix, dictionaries dont seem to like virii |
| 05:52.54 | sussudio | gravity: damn. he might actually _be_ a d-i contributor then. |
| 05:53.00 | gravity | Ha! |
| 05:53.02 | helix | dub: yeah. it's not a word. |
| 05:53.15 | gravity | Man... I love that beta3 pic. |
| 05:53.17 | peterS | dub: neither does anyone else. it's a pseudo-latinism that only makes sense if you don't actually know any latin |
| 05:53.43 | dub | but viruses sounds wrong |
| 05:53.44 | Piggy | ixnay on the virii |
| 05:53.51 | peterS | viruses is correct |
| 05:54.00 | helix | I can think of lots of words that sound wrong |
| 05:54.02 | peterS | I suppose you don't say 'geniuses' either? |
| 05:54.05 | Piggy | veni, vidi, porki |
| 05:54.06 | dub | what about penises |
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| 05:54.10 | dub | and penii |
| 05:54.18 | peterS | dub: 'penes' is correct. it's Greek, not Latin |
| 05:54.20 | gravity | penises is correct |
| 05:54.22 | sussudio | dub: why are you thinking about penises? |
| 05:54.25 | gravity | As is viruses. |
| 05:54.27 | tcsetattr | radiuses or radii? |
| 05:54.32 | Vulcanius | sussudio: where did you find that picture of my dad? |
| 05:54.38 | peterS | well, 'penises' and 'penes' are both correct, I do believe |
| 05:54.40 | sussudio | Vulcanius: beta3 is your dad? |
| 05:54.51 | dub | gravity, but did you work in a penis lab? |
| 05:54.54 | Vulcanius | lol |
| 05:55.06 | gravity | dub: Well, an egg lab |
| 05:55.19 | Vulcanius | carpe digum |
| 05:55.30 | dipNZn00dle | how about Vuncanii |
| 05:55.33 | Piggy | carpet layum |
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| 05:55.59 | dipNZn00dle | vaginii |
| 05:56.03 | Vulcanius | correct me if i'm wrong, digum is the latin word for goat right? |
| 05:56.20 | sussudio | meles meles |
| 05:57.18 | peterS | dipNZn00dle: that's *really* reaching |
| 05:57.33 | Vulcanius | sussudio: you have a strange liking for small furry mammals |
| 05:57.35 | peterS | dipNZn00dle: as though any word that sounds vaguely latin takes -ii for its plural. which is absurd |
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| 05:57.59 | peterS | ha |
| 05:58.04 | dipNZn00dle | yea, sorry, lost my shit for a moment |
| 05:58.17 | peterS | if anything I guess it would be vaginae ... but I don't actually know if that's correct. it certainly looks better than -ii |
| 05:58.29 | dipNZn00dle | dip z noodle in vaginii |
| 05:58.30 | gravity | vagaenema |
| 05:58.34 | gravity | Man, Fucking Tool |
| 05:58.39 | tcsetattr | everybody says "unices" though, right? |
| 05:58.49 | peterS | tcsetattr: not everyone. many of us do, yes |
| 05:58.52 | tcsetattr | it's correct _because_ it's geeky and funny-looking. |
| 05:58.57 | peterS | yeah |
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| 05:59.16 | logitek | wuts the best linux to put on a xbox |
| 05:59.25 | peterS | and because, unlike 'virus', 'unix' is not actually a latin word with a different declension |
| 05:59.48 | sussudio | !fgi logitek xbox linux |
| 05:59.49 | dpkg | logitek: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=xbox linux |
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| 06:00.29 | tcsetattr | looks like !fgi needs to do URL-encoding. |
| 06:00.32 | dub | that votersondrugs site, wtf are the big bluntlike things |
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| 06:01.26 | peterS | tcsetattr: or its users need to |
| 06:01.58 | SuperPhly | gravity: so the d-i does have the nforce2 drivers built into the kernel? |
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| 06:02.06 | peterS | SuperPhly: yes it does |
| 06:02.08 | SuperPhly | i just want to make sure |
| 06:02.08 | SuperPhly | thanks' |
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| 06:05.33 | SerajewelKS | sorry to trouble you all with my legal case again, but i don't think 'Steve Leb' is this guy's name |
| 06:05.44 | SerajewelKS | a whois on leblitzer.com turns up two names... can someone tell me which is his name? |
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| 06:06.26 | gravity_ | Gyah! Why is my family's internet connection such an amazing piece of shit? |
| 06:06.45 | sussudio | gravity_: kenya internet company? |
| 06:07.02 | gravity_ | sussudio: I wish. Then I'd get a snorkel. |
| 06:07.08 | gravity_ | I'd love a good snorkel. |
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| 06:07.55 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: you still awake? |
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| 06:10.00 | helix | what legal case is this? |
| 06:10.18 | SerajewelKS | GPL/copyright violation. you probably just missed the discussion. |
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| 06:11.05 | gravity_ | Who's violating the GPL? |
| 06:11.09 | Cetch | hola |
| 06:11.12 | sussudio | bunnies |
| 06:11.19 | SerajewelKS | gravity_: leblitzer.com |
| 06:11.21 | SerajewelKS | http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=403086 |
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| 06:11.48 | gravity_ | Thanks |
| 06:12.20 | SerajewelKS | gravity_: it's my project, so i need this guy's real name |
| 06:12.33 | gravity_ | SerajewelKS: You're the Y guy? |
| 06:12.40 | SerajewelKS | what Y guy? |
| 06:13.03 | gravity_ | SerajewelKS: What's the program in question? |
| 06:13.05 | gravity_ | Y? |
| 06:13.09 | SerajewelKS | Y to ICS |
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| 06:13.16 | SerajewelKS | it's a horrible name, that's why i changed it |
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| 06:13.24 | Jonex | Damn! My server is not accessable :( and it doesn't have any screen: |
| 06:13.25 | notoriousE | WHOAAA HOHO |
| 06:13.34 | notoriousE | im TOAsTEd |
| 06:13.34 | notoriousE | wheeeeeeeeeee |
| 06:14.12 | SerajewelKS | pLEasE DoN'T mESs wItH THe CoRRecT uSAge oF ShIfT |
| 06:14.22 | SerajewelKS | it's a pain to read, isn't it? |
| 06:14.52 | Vulcanius | are there any lists of apt sources? |
| 06:15.21 | rajasun | Vulcanius: write up your own |
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| 06:15.45 | lazybone | Vulcanius: use apt-setup |
| 06:17.02 | lazybone | How to set away message? |
| 06:17.03 | nvz | Vulcanius: apt-setup |
| 06:17.09 | rajasun | yes u can use progs like apt-setup & netselect-apt...but do remember to add contrib & non-free to your deb lines |
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| 06:17.13 | nvz | lazybone: dont |
| 06:17.24 | lazybone | nvz: ?? |
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| 06:17.37 | rajasun | BOFH excuse #306: CPU-angle has to be adjusted because of vibrations coming from the nearby road |
| 06:17.50 | lazybone | nvz: Why not? |
| 06:17.56 | SuperPhly | gravity: so if i upgrade my kernel once, i've got the d-i installed, will the 2.6.XX kernels have the nforce 2 drivers? |
| 06:18.09 | nvz | lazybone: why would you |
| 06:18.10 | Vulcanius | rajasun: i can't really write my own without knowing of any source lists |
| 06:18.13 | nvz | is more like it |
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| 06:18.22 | lazybone | I just want to know how? |
| 06:18.46 | rajasun | Vulcanius: follow lazybone's and other's recs |
| 06:18.50 | dipNZn00dle | what is d-i? |
| 06:19.02 | rajasun | then add contrib and non-free to your lines |
| 06:19.15 | SuperPhly | dipNZn00dle : it's the new installer for debian so it seems |
| 06:19.19 | rajasun | and READ up the docs on APT at www.debian.org |
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| 06:19.42 | Vulcanius | ok raja, i'll be sure to READ |
| 06:19.48 | Vulcanius | jesus, lol |
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| 06:21.03 | dipNZn00dle | SuperPhIy: went and got the driver from nvidia.com - but there are some pre-made kernel modules for the 2.4.26 kernel, look at nvidia-kernel-2.4.26 |
| 06:21.04 | rajasun | Vulcanius: always remember to spend some time at your distro's homepage each week, explore around esp if u r new to it. Focus on the docs, manuals, FAQs and tips |
| 06:21.22 | SuperPhly | dipNZn00dle : yeah, but i want 2.6 |
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| 06:23.19 | dipNZn00dle | SuperPhly: I have a nvidia nforce on board, and could not get the nvidia drivers to install on the 2.6 - don't know if any one has had success or not. |
| 06:23.41 | SuperPhly | ah |
| 06:23.42 | SuperPhly | ok |
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| 06:24.33 | SuperPhly | what package has /etc/X11/X in it? |
| 06:24.36 | snadge | just a small thing thats been nagging me for some time.. why is scrollkeeper so fucking slow!?!? |
| 06:24.42 | SuperPhly | for some reason startx wont come up |
| 06:24.50 | snadge | every time you install that damn package, it takes 6 million years to install |
| 06:24.53 | snadge | :P |
| 06:25.00 | sussudio | yes, we needed more whiners. |
| 06:25.02 | mwilson | SuperPhly: What does the one have to do with the other? |
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| 06:25.17 | dipNZn00dle | there are nv drivers in the stock kernel, but they are other ones called nvidia which do glx stuff better i guess, dont know what the difference is |
| 06:25.34 | Phated | Yo, herbi, you called for me? |
| 06:25.36 | SuperPhly | well, startx executes but it complains that /etc/X11/X doesn't exist.. therefore, i need to know what package will make /etc/X11/X come about |
| 06:25.43 | snadge | yes but scrollkeeper really sucks.. i've done dozens of installs, even on fast machines it takes ages.. what is its problem? |
| 06:25.46 | mwilson | dipNZn00dle: When was 'nv' added to the kernel? Oh, that's right, it wasn't. |
| 06:26.11 | snadge | can scrollkeeper just be removed from the default install? :P |
| 06:26.36 | nvz | mwilson: hey do you by any chance have any of those screenshots of your dual head desktop? |
| 06:26.46 | dipNZn00dle | stock kernel/modules forgive-forget |
| 06:26.46 | mwilson | snadge: Sure. Just don't install Gnome. It's not useful for anything other than that. |
| 06:26.46 | SuperPhly | mwilson : my default install has nv extensions... |
| 06:26.51 | mwilson | nvz: Hm? |
| 06:27.05 | snadge | oh so its gnomes fault.. |
| 06:27.18 | nvz | mwilson: I thought you showed be some pictures of a desktop you made, was on two screens |
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| 06:27.28 | SuperPhly | what am i missing here, startx is complaining about /etc/X11/X |
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| 06:27.40 | snadge | too bad, i like gnome.. i refuse to install KDE |
| 06:27.53 | mwilson | snadge: So don't, then. |
| 06:28.08 | mwilson | nvz: My normal setup is dual-monitor, yes. What are you looking for? |
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| 06:28.22 | snadge | maybe i can submit a patch for scrollkeeper that improves its speed by 100 times |
| 06:28.29 | snadge | ;) |
| 06:28.37 | nvz | mwilson: just wanted to know if you still had any screenshots on the web |
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| 06:28.46 | sussudio | snadge: don't come back until the patch is ready. |
| 06:28.57 | mwilson | nvz: Just the one, although I suppose I can take another if you like. |
| 06:29.20 | nvz | mwilson: cool ;) |
| 06:29.25 | rajasun | SuperPhly: Let me guess by any chance did u install Debian via the D-I? Do u even hav X installed in the first place? |
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| 06:30.14 | SuperPhly | rajasun : D-I yes, then i did the netinst |
| 06:30.41 | pourriture | HELP ... I tried to blank a CD-RW and cdrecord will not stop ... ps -ef |grep cdrecord gives ... john 3596 1 0 Aug28 ? 00:00:00 cdrecord mmap -v -pad speed=0 dev=/dev/hdc blank= all ... but kill -9 3596 does NOTHING |
| 06:30.42 | mwilson | http://members.cox.net/msw/ss/ss08282329.png |
| 06:30.46 | mwilson | That's what you wanted? |
| 06:30.47 | rajasun | SuperPhly: any apt-get install xserver-xfree86 blah blah? |
| 06:30.57 | SuperPhly | that's do it |
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| 06:31.01 | SuperPhly | that's doing it |
| 06:31.01 | SuperPhly | :) |
| 06:31.11 | mwilson | pourriture: wtf is that command line supposed to do? |
| 06:31.12 | helix | mwilson: that sure is pretty |
| 06:31.22 | mwilson | helix: It is? |
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| 06:31.45 | helix | mwilson: yes |
| 06:31.50 | helix | mwilson: the logs. what is that? |
| 06:31.54 | pourriture | mwilson, that is what gcombust ran to blank my cd-rw |
| 06:31.59 | mwilson | root-tail |
| 06:32.28 | rajasun | SuperPhly: BTW u better google for /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and read up those docs on XFree86...U'll NEED the knowledge in time and very SOON I'm afraid =0) |
| 06:32.53 | mwilson | !u |
| 06:32.53 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1. |
| 06:33.10 | SuperPhly | rajasun: i'm very proficient at X... |
| 06:33.14 | rajasun | LOL |
| 06:33.19 | SuperPhly | i just needed to know the debian packaging system |
| 06:33.31 | SuperPhly | rajasun: did you ever use themes.org? |
| 06:33.33 | rajasun | SuperPhly: I hope you r ;) |
| 06:33.47 | mwilson | <sigh> One hundred seventeen |
| 06:33.51 | SuperPhly | i used to run that site with octobrx and elcoronel |
| 06:34.02 | SuperPhly | pretty much 2nd in command for 3 years |
| 06:34.16 | rajasun | NO I don't. I go over to places like gnome-look art.gnome.org and freshmeat for me themes |
| 06:34.30 | SuperPhly | ah, this was 2 years back before it went to themes.freshmeat.net |
| 06:34.52 | dub | is there a system wide .xsession? |
| 06:35.02 | SuperPhly | dub check /etc/X11/* |
| 06:35.09 | SuperPhly | dig in there. |
| 06:35.11 | mwilson | dub: Does there need to be one for some reason? |
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| 06:35.14 | rajasun | ahh that themes.org...so many years since...recall they had separate sections for e.g. afterstep, kde, gnome and others ;) |
| 06:35.28 | SuperPhly | yeah... i got the resources.themes.org section up and going... |
| 06:35.33 | mwilson | Hm, most people think my screenshots are really dull. |
| 06:35.40 | SuperPhly | backgrounds, tiles, plugins for everything, etc etc etc |
| 06:35.49 | dub | mwilson, only because xfce has set itself as teh default and I dont want it |
| 06:35.51 | pourriture | that is what I was afraid of .. there is no way to get cdrecord unstuck |
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| 06:36.07 | mwilson | dub: What does that have to do with a system-wide .xsession? |
| 06:36.20 | dub | mwilson, if I creat a user and they login to X they get xfce |
| 06:36.34 | dipNZn00dle | dub: maybe you need to look at .xinitrc? |
| 06:36.41 | rajasun | i almost forgot that themes.freshmeat owed its origins to themes.org...recall now it has something to do wif frequent downtime or something for the switch :) |
| 06:36.53 | mwilson | dub: So create a ~/.xsession and start up whatever you like. |
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| 06:37.05 | dub | mwilson, not viable |
| 06:37.18 | dub | what I really want is for xfce to just fuck off entirely |
| 06:37.24 | dub | but that doesnt seem to be easy |
| 06:37.58 | mwilson | "not viable"? Why would the normal methods of controlling X not be "viable"? |
| 06:38.04 | rajasun | dub: apt-get --purge remove xfce4? |
| 06:38.27 | dipNZn00dle | dub: ah, good luck - xfce likes to fuck with colors and all kinds of shit - took me a while to loose xfce's settings |
| 06:38.54 | SuperPhly | what's the best way to change my locale? perl keeps bitching |
| 06:39.00 | mwilson | dipNZn00dle: You mean like how it doesn't change anything at all, leaving everything alone, huh? |
| 06:39.03 | holycow | man, i just dream like the jack nicholson movie the shining |
| 06:39.12 | holycow | except instead of the hotel, it was in ikea |
| 06:39.20 | holycow | no more ginger beef chinese for me |
| 06:39.22 | Xenguy | SuperPhly: dpkg-reconfigure locale ? |
| 06:39.27 | mwilson | SuperPhly: Why would that mean that you'd need to change it? |
| 06:39.40 | holycow | insert "had" |
| 06:39.41 | dipNZn00dle | dub: just for grins look and see if you have a .xinitrc |
| 06:39.43 | SuperPhly | mwilson : because i always have this problem, once i change it... it works. |
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| 06:39.58 | dub | rajasun, Package xfce4 is not installed, so not removed (its a meta package apparently) |
| 06:39.59 | mwilson | SuperPhly: And the actual problem would be...? |
| 06:40.00 | Xenguy | holycow: heh - scary |
| 06:40.03 | dub | dipNZn00dle, doesnt exist |
| 06:40.14 | holycow | which part, the shining, or ikea? |
| 06:40.15 | holycow | XD |
| 06:40.26 | SuperPhly | mwilson : that it's set wrong |
| 06:40.34 | dub | mwilson, multymonkey system, editing files from cli not viable |
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| 06:40.43 | Xenguy | holycow: together, they are scarier than the sum of their parts ;-) |
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| 06:40.50 | dipNZn00dle | dub: try maybe to copy .xsession to .xinitrc |
| 06:40.54 | mwilson | SuperPhly: I think it's pretty much a given that perl didn't say anything remotely like that. |
| 06:40.56 | holycow | Xenguy, hahaha :) man your telling me, glad i woke up |
| 06:41.00 | dub | dipNZn00dle, where? |
| 06:41.13 | SuperPhly | then mwilson : what do you suggest i do? |
| 06:41.18 | holycow | i woke up at the part where i couldn't get out because i was locked in, i went into the basement and met the priest and nuns |
| 06:41.29 | holycow | i pulled out a cross and they turned out to be demons |
| 06:41.32 | holycow | :) |
| 06:41.32 | mwilson | SuperPhly: Actually tell someone the real error message. |
| 06:41.33 | Phated | 0_0 |
| 06:41.34 | dipNZn00dle | dub: try maybe to copy .xsession to .xinitrc in your home directory ~ |
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| 06:41.42 | Phated | holycow: Cool dream. :D |
| 06:41.43 | dub | dipNZn00dle, my home directory is fine |
| 06:41.59 | holycow | i gotta write this shit down, it would make a great movie |
| 06:42.18 | dav | I realise that has nothing to do with debian, but I'm really frustrated looking around for a place to host my domain name, manage my dns, forward my E-mails (without any kind of arbitrary spam filtering), so if anyone knows of a reliable & cheap service that does that, please let me know.. |
| 06:42.19 | Phated | holycow: Yeah, go for it. :) |
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| 06:42.38 | dipNZn00dle | dub: xdm may use .xinitrc instead of .xsession |
| 06:42.46 | Lusid | Is that command in the title for bug #268338 supposed to fix the gcc problems? |
| 06:42.46 | dub | dipNZn00dle, my uid loads the correct wm |
| 06:42.58 | Xenguy | holycow: I did dream journaling for awhile years ago, and it was quite the trip to read dreams I'd written down then that I'd completely forgotten about now |
| 06:43.39 | holycow | didja? |
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| 06:43.47 | holycow | hehe :) sounds cool |
| 06:43.59 | scarynetworkguy | #debian the movie. It'll make millions |
| 06:44.08 | holycow | scarynetworkguy, hahahaha |
| 06:44.09 | dipNZn00dle | dub: what about xfce is dumping over to your new wm? |
| 06:44.16 | holycow | whos going to play mwilson? |
| 06:44.21 | dub | dipNZn00dle, on other user accounts |
| 06:44.30 | holycow | scary movie :) |
| 06:44.36 | dub | I dont want to have to create a .xsession for each user I add |
| 06:44.42 | Xenguy | holycow: I know - Christopher... ah |
| 06:44.45 | dub | I want xfce to fuck right off |
| 06:44.51 | Xenguy | holycow: starts with a W.... |
| 06:45.02 | Phated | #debian the movie: Be not root. Be never root. |
| 06:45.03 | Piggy | i just threw up in my mouth a little. |
| 06:45.03 | Xenguy | holycow: Walkins(?) |
| 06:45.08 | holycow | oh my, |
| 06:45.11 | holycow | i like :) |
| 06:45.13 | Phated | Walker? |
| 06:45.15 | cahoot | Lusid: suppoed to but didn't for me |
| 06:45.16 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: heh. |
| 06:45.18 | dipNZn00dle | dub: and you said you did 'update-alternatives' right? |
| 06:45.19 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 06:45.20 | sussudio | George Wanker Bush? |
| 06:45.22 | scarynetworkguy | Walken |
| 06:45.27 | dub | dipNZn00dle, yep |
| 06:45.30 | holycow | lol |
| 06:45.33 | Xenguy | Phated: more like Walkins, me thinks (I'll look it up) |
| 06:45.34 | holycow | #debian the movie, rofl |
| 06:45.36 | holycow | :) |
| 06:45.43 | dipNZn00dle | dub: uninstall dat bitch!!! |
| 06:45.48 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bob2_the_movies.html |
| 06:45.50 | dub | it is uninstalled |
| 06:45.50 | Phated | Xenguy: Hmmm. OK. |
| 06:45.52 | sussudio | beenthere,donethat. |
| 06:45.52 | scarynetworkguy | heh combine it with #debian the drinking game and we could rule the world |
| 06:45.56 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy: Walken |
| 06:45.59 | helix | dub: change the symlink by hand |
| 06:46.01 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Damn. :) |
| 06:46.02 | Xenguy | scarynetworkguy: that's it! |
| 06:46.17 | Xenguy | He's perfect for the role :-] |
| 06:46.18 | dub | the main problem here is that meta packages dont work both ways |
| 06:46.20 | Phated | Heyyyyyyy... THE #DEBIAN MOVIE DRINKING GAME! |
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| 06:46.33 | scarynetworkguy | Xenguy: yeah he's one of my personal gods |
| 06:46.33 | holycow | Xenguy, you got lotsa material |
| 06:46.40 | Phated | Everytime someone says GENTOO, you take ONE drink! |
| 06:46.49 | Xenguy | hahah |
| 06:46.49 | dub | helix, which symlink? |
| 06:46.51 | Phated | Who's Chris Walken? |
| 06:46.58 | helix | dub: /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager |
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| 06:47.06 | holycow | Phated, rofl :) |
| 06:47.09 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: He's an actor. *very* creepy |
| 06:47.14 | OrganDonor | hello fellow debinrines |
| 06:47.17 | holycow | every time i get in an argument with someone you take two :) |
| 06:47.25 | dub | helix, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Aug 29 17:33 /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/fluxbox |
| 06:47.33 | Xenguy | Phated: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Walken |
| 06:47.35 | helix | dub: what are you using to login? |
| 06:47.39 | dub | xdm |
| 06:47.44 | Phated | Xenguy: Ookies. |
| 06:47.55 | Piggy | this interview... is not about me... |
| 06:47.57 | OrganDonor | ok i installed debain, YAY, ok but i got no net, seams asif my network card doesnt work, although ifconfig says it does, what is wrong |
| 06:48.01 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: and of course we make the d/wm drinking game a subset of the #debian drinking game |
| 06:48.06 | OrganDonor | i connect to my modem that gives me the net |
| 06:48.17 | helix | dub: kill xdm, echo 'x-window-manager' > .xsession, type 'startx' |
| 06:48.29 | Phated | Ohhhhh, him. I saw him in Catch me if you can. Good guy. :) |
| 06:48.40 | scarynetworkguy | Which would lead to this. |
| 06:48.40 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: That's it! |
| 06:48.41 | dub | helix, as root? |
| 06:48.43 | OrganDonor | i typed ifconfig 10.0.0.1 [thats my ip range] then nano reslov.conf to point to 10.0.0.138 |
| 06:48.51 | helix | dub: you should be able to do all of that as a user |
| 06:49.04 | OrganDonor | and then when i type route eth0 default gw 10.0.0.138 it tells me network is unreachble? |
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| 06:49.10 | OrganDonor | wtt went on der? |
| 06:49.13 | helix | dub: maybe not killing xdm. I don't know about that one. |
| 06:49.15 | dub | but wont that only change it for the user? |
| 06:49.17 | OrganDonor | so now im looking at you guys for help |
| 06:49.23 | OrganDonor | anything will be acceptble |
| 06:49.26 | helix | dub: erm.. |
| 06:49.27 | sussudio | OrganDonor: i think you're beyond help. |
| 06:49.27 | scarynetworkguy | So there I was in Gentoo and I wanted to run XFCE4 but I didn't know what DM I was using so I could not figure out what WM I was using. |
| 06:49.30 | mwilson | OrganDonor: Nothing other than that you have no reason to be messing with the route command. |
| 06:49.48 | mwilson | scarynetworkguy: What does the one have to do with the other? |
| 06:49.51 | helix | dub: well, ~/.xsession is per user, yes |
| 06:50.02 | OrganDonor | but i need to do router the internet through my modem, which btw hosts the net |
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| 06:50.05 | helix | dub: but if /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager points to fluxbox, I'm not sure what the problem is |
| 06:50.07 | dub | helix, I installed xfce4 (woe is me) now its the default wm/sm whatever the fuck it is, and I dont want to manually add ~/.xsessions for each user |
| 06:50.11 | helix | dub: logout and log back in? |
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| 06:50.17 | joshk | i gotta see this |
| 06:50.20 | helix | dub: true |
| 06:50.25 | mwilson | OrganDonor: No, you need to leave the route command alone, since you don't know how to use it. |
| 06:50.30 | OrganDonor | just to get things stright my modem is os indepenent so my pc doesnt need to be on to have the net on |
| 06:50.36 | scarynetworkguy | mwilson: It was an attempt to get as many drinks into one sentance as I could. |
| 06:51.01 | helix | dub: well, besides the alternatives system, I'm not sure where that information would be stored. |
| 06:51.03 | OrganDonor | wtf? route add default gw 10.0.0.138 works |
| 06:51.13 | OrganDonor | but gives me the error that the network is unreachble |
| 06:51.15 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Yep, tat would be nine. |
| 06:51.17 | Phated | that* |
| 06:51.17 | helix | OrganDonor: have you setup your /etc/network/interfaces file properly? |
| 06:51.24 | OrganDonor | umm.. |
| 06:51.26 | OrganDonor | no |
| 06:51.26 | holycow | Xenguy, you just changed the #debian experience for me |
| 06:51.29 | mwilson | OrganDonor: And again I tell you, you have no reason to be using route. |
| 06:51.39 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: nice |
| 06:51.43 | holycow | every time i read wilson now i hear christopher walken |
| 06:51.46 | helix | OrganDonor: so do that. man 5 interfaces. |
| 06:51.47 | Xenguy | holycow: is that a Good Thing[TM] ? ;-) |
| 06:51.54 | holycow | i can just see it " and why the fuck would you want to do that again? " |
| 06:51.55 | holycow | lol |
| 06:51.57 | holycow | classic :) |
| 06:52.03 | Xenguy | heheh |
| 06:52.04 | helix | joshk: exciting? |
| 06:52.12 | OrganDonor | helix thanks |
| 06:52.24 | helix | OrganDonor: I don't remember if there are examples in there. |
| 06:52.25 | OrganDonor | mwilson: it requires that for my internet to work |
