| 00:00.13 | mentor | !literal cmd: crabpastesmite (.*?) |
| 00:00.29 | abrotman | !crabpastesmite thomas_adam |
| 00:00.29 | abrotman | why does it work in /msg .. but not here |
| 00:00.35 | mentor | !+crabpastesmite abrotman |
| 00:00.39 | mentor | !hi |
| 00:00.40 | dpkg | hello, mentor |
| 00:00.41 | mY`w3|Nazcouik | how i can know if my hdd can support ext3 ? i forgot the cat command |
| 00:01.01 | SquareRt | abrotman: it's teasing you |
| 00:01.01 | newbee | Is there a way to run xdm on win98? Lin on fat32 or something (only for this old box) |
| 00:01.01 | abrotman | oops |
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| 00:01.13 | bahadunn | is there any way to change a channel ownership to another nick? |
| 00:01.13 | bahadunn | nevermind ill ask in #freenode |
| 00:01.13 | abrotman | yeah .. that might do it :) |
| 00:01.14 | abrotman | i uhm .. broke dpkg |
| 00:01.15 | helix | cat /proc/filesystems |
| 00:01.38 | mwilson | How would a HD either support or not support a particular filesystem? I think I'd like to see that. |
| 00:01.39 | SquareRt | abrotman: you can always use ar to unpack the .debs |
| 00:01.44 | mY`w3|Nazcouik | thx helix |
| 00:01.47 | helix | mwilson: pedant |
| 00:01.49 | abrotman | SquareRt: not that dpkg |
| 00:01.50 | SquareRt | abrotman: just read the control and postinst files very carefully |
| 00:01.56 | daedx | I wanted to run 'xset b off' at startup so I create a .xinitrc and put this line inside; but now when I reboot x doesnt start; I removed the file, reboot, still X doesnt start, it says it cant detect my pointer ... wtf |
| 00:01.57 | streuner | bahadunn: /msg chanserv help |
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| 00:02.24 | daedx | It says no core pointers |
| 00:02.29 | mentor | !crabpastesmite $1 is <action> pushes crabpaste up $1's nostrils |
| 00:02.30 | dpkg | mentor: okay |
| 00:02.34 | bahadunn | streuner: I can do it through chanserv? |
| 00:02.36 | SquareRt | right daedx ... and what pointer failed? |
| 00:02.39 | mentor | !crabpastesmite abrotman |
| 00:02.42 | SquareRt | daedx: what was the device? |
| 00:02.45 | mentor | :) |
| 00:02.47 | abrotman | damn you .. i was just getting around to it |
| 00:02.52 | mentor | !forget crabpastesmite |
| 00:02.53 | abrotman | i forgot about the cmd stuff |
| 00:02.56 | mwilson | helix: You don't believe in accuracy of expression? |
| 00:03.04 | SquareRt | (it'll say something like EE: Could not open device (/dev/psaux) then EE: No core pointers a bit later) |
| 00:03.07 | daedx | SquareRt: I just dont fucking understand, I didnt change anything and now it cant detect my mouse on my laptop |
| 00:03.08 | madd | i am looking for a tools, which shows me the load per nic, and if i want detailt which bandwidth per connection. |
| 00:03.12 | abrotman | <abrotman> forget crabpastesmite |
| 00:03.12 | abrotman | <dpkg> cannot remove factoid 'crabpastesmite', too old. (12661.0021180556>12096) use 'no,' instead |
| 00:03.14 | abrotman | what is that? |
| 00:03.16 | streuner | bahadunn: i think so, there are two nickserv and chanserv, i think chanserv would do the job |
| 00:03.21 | helix | mwilson: I do, but I'm not a fan of manipulatively luring someone into admitting their own stupidity (or misphrasing, as was the case) |
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| 00:03.36 | mentor | abrotman: Older factoids are locked. |
| 00:03.38 | helix | which you do _constantly_ |
| 00:03.43 | mentor | abrotman: This appears to be broken. |
| 00:03.45 | abrotman | it's not older .. i just made it |
| 00:03.55 | daedx | SquareRt: No core pointer |
| 00:03.55 | bahadunn | streuner: as far as I know I only can give another nick access to right under channel owner |
| 00:03.55 | SquareRt | daedx: well... I see, but you need to diagnose the problem to solve it |
| 00:04.02 | mentor | abrotman: yup. |
| 00:04.11 | abrotman | thomas_adam: now you can crabpastesmite people .. thank mr. mentor .. he was very nice to my forgetful ass |
| 00:04.16 | bahadunn | thats the main reason I keep bahadunn as my nick instead of just using jharrison |
| 00:04.18 | daedx | cannot open device /dev/input/mice |
| 00:04.23 | SquareRt | daedx: I see |
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| 00:04.39 | mentor | abrotman: I think you need a beter smite though. |
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| 00:04.39 | daedx | cannot open device /dev/psaux |
| 00:04.43 | SquareRt | daedx: you using devfs or udev or neither? |
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| 00:04.47 | daedx | SquareRt: I dunno |
| 00:04.52 | mentor | daedx: Does it exist? Can the user access it? |
| 00:05.04 | abrotman | mentor: can you think of one? |
| 00:05.40 | daedx | There is a /dev/psaux file |
| 00:05.40 | abrotman | mentor: please keep in mind .. i odn't have a clue what crabpaste is |
| 00:05.40 | mentor | abrotman: crab paste is a mystery to me. |
| 00:06.05 | pwn4ge | daedx: is your mouse plugged in? |
| 00:06.05 | SquareRt | daedx: try doing modprobe mousedev |
| 00:06.05 | abrotman | !crabpaste |
| 00:06.05 | abrotman | that's all i know |
| 00:06.05 | daedx | Should I remove and reinstall X-free? |
| 00:06.05 | SquareRt | daedx: then modprobe psmouse |
| 00:06.05 | SquareRt | and it should bring the devices back |
| 00:06.05 | dpkg | http://importfood.com/media/cppk0701.jpg, or a sandwich spread, nice in sandwiches. thomas_adam owes abrotman a jar or three of this. See <cheesesteak> |
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| 00:06.12 | helix | abrotman needs a good marmitesmite |
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| 00:06.12 | abrotman | uhm |
| 00:06.12 | mentor | daedx: How would that make /dev/psaux better? |
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| 00:06.41 | SquareRt | helix: that sounds right |
| 00:06.41 | mentor | or a marsmite... |
| 00:06.43 | abrotman | !marmite |
| 00:06.43 | dpkg | from memory, marmite is The One True *Mite. |
| 00:06.58 | abrotman | !marmite |
| 00:06.58 | dpkg | methinks marmite is The One True *Mite. |
| 00:07.00 | cafuego | marmite? You want marmite? |
| 00:07.08 | cafuego | That shit is VILE! (And I've had vegemite!) |
| 00:07.19 | SquareRt | daedx: no, that would be pointless, and would not solve the lack of available mouse device |
| 00:07.20 | helix | heh |
| 00:07.21 | SquareRt | daedx: you need to fix your device node or driver providing it |
| 00:07.33 | abrotman | !dict marmite |
| 00:07.37 | dpkg | Dictionary 'marmite' (2 shown): a large pot especially one with legs used e.g. for cooking soup ;; soup cooked in a large pot. |
| 00:07.44 | mentor | daedx is gone. |
| 00:07.47 | abrotman | !dict nutation |
| 00:07.49 | dpkg | Dictionary 'nutation' (4 shown): Nutation \Nu*ta"tion\, n. [L. nutatio a nodding, fr. nutare to nod: cf. F. nutation.] 1. The act of nodding. ;; uncontrolled nodding ;; So from the midmost the nutation spreads, Round and more round, o'er all the sea of heads. --Pope. ;; 2. (Astron.) A very small libratory motion of the earth's axis, by which its inclination to the plane of the ecliptic is constantly varying by a small amount.. |
| 00:07.54 | mwilson | Oh, come on... I'd have thought CUPS was more robust than THIS... |
| 00:08.05 | abrotman | !mwilsonsmite mwilson |
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| 00:08.26 | SquareRt | mwilson: not lemons then? (as in sam carter) |
| 00:08.28 | newbee | XWin isn't a selection in the cygwin installer. Shouldn't it be? |
| 00:08.29 | streuner | mwilson: you want whine the whole evening about printing? |
| 00:08.31 | mentor | mwilson: badly and with no style. |
| 00:08.36 | abrotman | !nutate |
| 00:08.39 | abrotman | wee |
| 00:08.48 | cafuego | I suppose that's true. If you keep boiling the soup until there's a cpu of sticky crap left, you got marmite ;-) |
| 00:08.50 | SquareRt | newbee: erm... isn't there a package called X server or something like that (XWin is the executable's name) |
| 00:08.51 | mwilson | streuner: Next time I don't care what my buddy says, he gets lprng. |
| 00:09.00 | SquareRt | newbee: might be Xorg or something like taht |
| 00:09.05 | SquareRt | newbee: if it's recent |
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| 00:09.06 | Gul | i installed webmin, but something with the installation went wrong, webmin works as expected, but everytime i apt-get install something i get these errormessage: miniserv.pem: No such file or directory;hostname: Unknown host; dpkg: error processing webmin (--configure):; subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
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| 00:09.15 | SquareRt | that* |
| 00:09.42 | Gul | how can i tell apt-get that it should stop trying to install webmin again and again? |
| 00:09.43 | mwilson | streuner: Just surprises me how remarkably fragile CUPS is. |
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| 00:10.18 | cafuego | ugly: Stop joinflooding |
| 00:10.18 | SquareRt | gul: can't you apt-get remove webmin |
| 00:10.32 | Gul | SquareRt: i want to keep webmin |
| 00:10.33 | cafuego | helix: Oh, there's going to be fresh cat photos today. |
| 00:10.47 | rbd | I'm trying to install the freevo and python-mm debs, it's requiring something called lsdvd...which doesn't seem to exist...does anyone know anything about this? |
| 00:11.12 | SquareRt | gul... well... what do you mean it "keeps trying to install webmin"... you said it like you didn't want it installed lol |
| 00:11.19 | SquareRt | gul: do you mean you are having problems installing it and hence every operation causes it to try to be installed? |
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| 00:11.38 | SquareRt | gul: what is it that is up? |
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| 00:11.48 | Gul | SquareRt: it keeps repeating this error, i had the same problem with postgresql, which couldnt write to /dev/null |
| 00:11.50 | daedx | doesnt work |
| 00:11.53 | daedx | Why? |
| 00:12.01 | SquareRt | daedx: what doesn't? |
| 00:12.05 | daedx | Xfree |
| 00:12.11 | Noid | !doesn't work |
| 00:12.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 00:12.15 | daedx | It doesn't find my mouse |
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| 00:12.21 | SquareRt | that's descriptive. you went away when I was answering you. why? |
| 00:12.28 | mentor | daedx: Still the same mouse problem? |
| 00:12.32 | daedx | I told you like 2 minutes ago |
| 00:12.33 | daedx | yes |
| 00:12.35 | mY`w3|Nazcouik | hum , sorry about this question , but how i can see what s my device hdd , on console ? |
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| 00:12.51 | daedx | I'll start from beggining |
| 00:13.02 | SquareRt | my`w3|nazcouik: erm... dmesg | grep hd |
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| 00:13.06 | SquareRt | or dmesg | grep ide |
| 00:13.07 | cafuego | mY`w3|Nazcouik: 'df' |
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| 00:13.22 | SquareRt | cafuego: that works only if he has mounted fses on it |
| 00:13.22 | Noid | mY`w3|Nazcouik: all of the above (: |
| 00:13.24 | mY`w3|Nazcouik | thx |
| 00:13.29 | newbee | SquareRt, nope. Frustrating as hell. No direction and no xwin. It download a slue of crap and I can't find a help file to direct me. |
| 00:13.41 | cafuego | SquareRt: Yes, I'm assuming he means his root fs. |
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| 00:14.14 | SquareRt | hmm newbee |
| 00:14.28 | newbee | I'm not jokin :( |
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| 00:14.30 | SquareRt | hmm newbee you looking at the full package list |
| 00:14.34 | SquareRt | ? |
| 00:14.40 | newbee | yes |
| 00:14.46 | SquareRt | what are the categories? |
| 00:14.50 | daedx | I wanted to do this command at beggining: 'xset b off' so I create in my /root a file named .xinitrc with that command; I reboot and my X doesnt start because it says that it cant find mouse core pointer in /dev/psaux; so I remove the file, reboot, doesnt work; I do xf86config, retry; doesnt work; I REINSTALL xfree86; doesnt work ... |
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| 00:15.07 | SquareRt | daedx: why in /root? |
| 00:15.08 | daedx | I don't understand how .xinitrc could break my xfree |
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| 00:15.24 | SquareRt | daedx: surely that won't help you unless you're using X as root |
| 00:15.26 | SquareRt | !root |
| 00:15.27 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 00:15.29 | daedx | SquareRt: im the only user on my laptop so I usually run X as root |
| 00:15.34 | daedx | Yes I know that |
| 00:15.49 | daedx | but It doesnt help me fix my problem |
| 00:15.50 | newbee | cats....... |
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| 00:16.14 | daedx | I irc as a user, but use X as root |
| 00:16.22 | newbee | admin to X11 |
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| 00:16.28 | SquareRt | daedx: anyway... back on to the topic, your .xinitrc won't affect that... not to mention that in debian you use .xsession for xdm sessions and xinit sessions |
| 00:16.41 | mY`w3|Nazcouik | the right command to change the filesystem is tunesf2 -j /dev/sda1 ? ( convert ext2 to ext3 ) |
| 00:17.07 | daedx | SquareRt: Can you explain to me why all of the sudden, it just dont work |
| 00:17.17 | SquareRt | daedx: a bad xinitrc/xsession can do some nasty things... but it can't make your mouse fail |
| 00:17.21 | SquareRt | daedx: co-incidence |
| 00:17.21 | akusarujin | anyone know the required packages for spellcheck to work in openoffice.org? no languages show up in the list and i have the en language pack installed :( |
| 00:17.25 | sgeigerbot | mY`w3|Nazcouik: methinks ext2->ext3 is To upgrade an ext2 partition to ext3 simply involves adding a journal. 'tune2fs -j /dev/hda1' (where hda1 is the partition you want to change to ext3). Don't forget to change /etc/fstab to specify ext3 for the partition. Be sure to verify that your kernel has ext3 support (cat /proc/filesystems) |
| 00:17.32 | mentor | daedx: Running X clients as root is stupid. now...ls -l your psaux file... |
| 00:17.35 | SquareRt | daedx: correlation does not equal causality. |
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| 00:18.07 | daedx | On a laptop, what could be the /dev file except from /dev/psaux |
| 00:18.23 | mentor | daedx: Have you run an upgrade or something before restarting X? |
| 00:18.27 | cafuego | daedx: /dev/input/mice |
| 00:18.27 | SquareRt | daedx: erm... well, /dev/input/mice would be another |
| 00:18.39 | mentor | daedx: Lot's of things... |
| 00:18.41 | daedx | ok |
| 00:18.46 | newbee | I can only guess the downlaods did not finish. i will retry on the net. thanks |
| 00:18.48 | daedx | I'll try to re-run my xf86config |
| 00:18.48 | mentor | daedx: s/'// |
| 00:18.50 | SquareRt | daedx: and possibly /dev/input/ts0... but let's forget that one for now |
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| 00:18.57 | SquareRt | daedx: that is also pointless |
| 00:19.00 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: apt-get install cheesetracker |
| 00:19.03 | mentor | daedx: CHECK psaux exists. |
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| 00:19.29 | daedx | /dev/psaux exist but when I run startx it says that /dev/psaux isnt there |
| 00:19.46 | SquareRt | daedx: xf86config only generates a config file... it does not change any system properties |
| 00:19.51 | SquareRt | daedx: no... it said it can't open it |
| 00:19.54 | mentor | daedx: does ls -l show the correct permissions/type of file/etc? |
| 00:19.54 | SquareRt | daedx: very different |
| 00:19.54 | cafuego | daedx: It probably says "no such device" - which does not mean "no such file or directory" |
| 00:19.58 | daedx | ok |
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| 00:20.11 | daedx | Okay, I'm following you |
| 00:20.17 | mentor | daedx: Then try 'cat /dev/psaux' |
| 00:20.21 | SquareRt | daedx: can't open could be "it's not there" could be "it's not a file" could be "you rmmod'd the driver" |
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| 00:20.39 | SquareRt | daedx: do lsmod | grep mouse |
| 00:20.48 | daedx | last time before I rebooted, I did modprobe /dev/psaux and when I did startx it worked, x started but my mouse didnt move so I had to reboot |
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| 00:20.58 | SquareRt | daedx: had to reboot? |
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| 00:21.06 | ugly | cafuego: I'm join flooding? |
| 00:21.10 | nvz | I am using this nickcolor.pl script with irssi, can I restart just that somehow like I do my config with /reload? |
| 00:21.10 | SquareRt | daedx: did you not try Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get back to the terminal? |
| 00:21.22 | daedx | SquareRt: I didnt knew about Crlt-alt-f1 |
| 00:21.25 | ugly | cafuego: looking through scrollback it doesn't look that way... |
| 00:21.29 | SquareRt | !vt |
| 00:21.30 | dpkg | rumour has it, vt is video terminal |
| 00:21.33 | mwilson | Ok, that's it. |
| 00:21.34 | SquareRt | !tty |
| 00:21.35 | dpkg | tty is probably an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 00:21.38 | SquareRt | bah |
| 00:21.43 | mwilson | <poof> |
| 00:21.51 | SquareRt | can't remember the shortcut... looks like I'll have to explain it myself lol |
| 00:22.06 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: playing with magic? |
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| 00:22.10 | SquareRt | daedx: essentially, you have these things called VTs... or Virtual Terminals |
| 00:22.16 | n3o_X | !ircu |
| 00:22.16 | ugly | cafuego: I just see netsplits ... |
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| 00:22.17 | Noid | daedx: you only have to reboot when you are upgrading the kernel or hardware |
| 00:22.19 | daedx | Yeah; I understand |
| 00:22.20 | EfaistOs | is there some pkgs for the X org server ? |
| 00:22.25 | mwilson | EfaistOs: No. |
| 00:22.29 | n3o_X | anybody use ircu? or ircd nefarious on debian? |
| 00:22.32 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: are we friends? |
| 00:22.35 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 00:22.38 | SquareRt | daedx: the default inittab creates 6 of them, tty1 through tty6, running login "gettys" |
| 00:22.46 | mwilson | sgeigerbot: Hm? Why do you ask? |
| 00:22.47 | EfaistOs | mwilson, when they're going to be available ? |
| 00:22.56 | mwilson | EfaistOs: Not any time soon. |
| 00:22.59 | daedx | But now .. what can I do ...? |
| 00:23.02 | mentor | Noid: Or if terminal and network lock up |
| 00:23.09 | SquareRt | daedx: xdm (or gdm or kdm or startx etc) create another one, the first available is usually tty7 |
| 00:23.10 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: just curious to know what you would say. |
| 00:23.12 | sgeigerbot | :-) |
| 00:23.26 | mentor | daedx: Have you got the results from the checking of /dev/psaux yet? |
| 00:23.31 | daedx | if the boot process doesnt find the mouse ... when it used to find it ... im basically fucked up |
| 00:23.41 | Noid | mentor: yeah, but that is a rare instance, and usually solvable by sshing from other box and killing the offenders |
| 00:23.46 | mwilson | Or you need to plug the mouse back in. |
| 00:23.47 | daedx | mentor: I did ls -l /dev/psaux |
| 00:23.50 | mentor | Noid: 'network' |
| 00:23.52 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: I mean, like cyberfriend. Not like, I'll come over and stay at your house for the weekend.... |
| 00:23.53 | sgeigerbot | ;-) |
| 00:23.55 | mentor | daedx: and? |
| 00:24.05 | SquareRt | daedx: you can switch between them in console mode with Alt-F (1 through 12 for tty 1 through 12), AltGr-F (1 through 12 for tty 13 through 24) or Alt + left arrow or Alt + right arrow |
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| 00:24.11 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: like "sort of ...but not really" |
| 00:24.16 | Noid | mentor: i stand corrected, i misread |
| 00:24.16 | daedx | crw------- 1 root root (a date) /dev/psaux |
| 00:24.29 | SquareRt | daedx: in X, you cant use alt + left or right, but you can access the first 12 with ctrl-alt-F (1 through 12) |
| 00:24.30 | daedx | SquareRt: I know about switching from different VT |
| 00:24.37 | mentor | daedx: Did it say 10, 1? |
| 00:24.39 | rox | daedx: you cn't use that device as user |
| 00:24.44 | mentor | daedx: And what about cat /dev/psaux? |
| 00:24.54 | mentor | rox: X runs as root. |
| 00:25.01 | daedx | mentor: It says no such devies |
| 00:25.03 | SquareRt | rox: that doesn't matter.. X server always runs as root |
| 00:25.10 | SquareRt | daedx: right. try modprobe psmouse |
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| 00:25.16 | mentor | daedx: OK...so you haven't got the Linux mouse driver loaded. |
| 00:25.19 | rox | guys, my mouse wheel scrolls down, but not up ... what is wrong |
| 00:25.20 | SquareRt | daedx: then cat /dev/psaux and move the mouse |
| 00:25.23 | mentor | daedx: What Linux version? |
| 00:25.25 | ningo | daedx, modprobed psmouse already? |
| 00:25.29 | daedx | mentor: It looks like it works |
| 00:25.35 | rox | mentor && SquareRt: yeah, that's right |
| 00:25.56 | SquareRt | rox: don't do that... |
| 00:25.59 | daedx | mentor: but what I didnt understand is that it used to work ... since 2 weeks without any fucking problems |
| 00:26.00 | mentor | SquareRt: opening the file will always work if the mouse is plugged in. |
| 00:26.01 | SquareRt | rox: that's our job |
| 00:26.29 | SquareRt | mentor: erm... not if the module is not loaded and it's a standard /dev filesystem, therefore the node can exist without the driver |
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| 00:26.35 | mentor | daedx: Did you reboot in those two weeks? Upgrade kernel? Do something that wouldn't be replicated after a restart? |
| 00:26.47 | dan2 | asg! |
| 00:26.50 | daedx | mentor: absolutely NOTHING |
| 00:27.03 | daedx | since I'm new to linux I reboot a lot |
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| 00:27.12 | daedx | so I've would had noticed |
| 00:27.14 | mentor | SquareRt: Oh, I read the move the mouse bit out of order. |
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| 00:27.27 | mentor | SquareRt: Anyway, psaux is not modular on 2.4 |
| 00:27.29 | mentor | daedx: What Linux version? |
| 00:27.41 | daedx | Debian unstable - kernel 2.6.7 |
| 00:27.49 | mentor | daedx: Well, I don't know what you broke.... |
| 00:27.54 | SquareRt | mentor: hehe... I'm spoilt... 2.6 on my lappy with udev et al |
| 00:27.56 | daedx | I did apt-get dist-upgrade a few times |
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| 00:28.08 | daedx | maybe thats what broke it |
| 00:28.11 | mentor | daedx: OK, you need to make sure the input core and mousede, psmouse, etc are laoded. |
| 00:28.14 | SquareRt | daedx: did you do apt-get update first? |
| 00:28.21 | daedx | SquareRt: Usually yes |
| 00:28.23 | mentor | daedx: maybe... |
| 00:28.27 | daedx | sometimes no |
| 00:28.43 | Noid | daedx: if you're new to debian, don't use unstable, as its name implies, today it may work, tomorrow it may not |
| 00:28.49 | daedx | ok |
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| 00:29.06 | mentor | daedx: check your /etc/modules to make sure all these modules will be loaded. |
| 00:29.08 | SquareRt | wb penetrode |
| 00:29.14 | SquareRt | :D |
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| 00:30.04 | dli_ | how to mount a usb memory stick? |
| 00:30.15 | veget | help. trying to cp or mv a 4GB file from one drive to another I get "File size limit exceeded" |
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| 00:30.17 | g4lt | !mount usb memory sticks |
| 00:30.17 | akusarujin | if there is no openoffice.org-spellcheck-en.. what other option.. is there.. besides installing the en language pack which i have installed...? |
| 00:30.21 | mentor | dli: with 'mount'? |
| 00:30.31 | rd | hi, i added the deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.2/Debian stable main line in sources.list but when i want to update the package list it gives me the 404 error msg. what did i do wrong? |
| 00:30.37 | dli_ | mentor: mount what? |
| 00:30.40 | daedx | mentor: now that ItM |
| 00:30.46 | Benj_ | Hi, I just installed debian, and for some reason the only user is root, and I cannot get a graphical interface |
| 00:30.48 | g4lt | rd ask #debian-kde |
| 00:30.49 | initech | SquareRt: penetrode? where? |
| 00:30.51 | mentor | daedx: itm? |
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| 00:30.56 | abrotman | rd: cause it's not there |
| 00:30.58 | rox | Benj_: add otehr users |
| 00:31.04 | SquareRt | lol ini |
| 00:31.06 | Benj_ | how? |
| 00:31.06 | SquareRt | lol initech even |
| 00:31.07 | rd | g4lt, there answers nobody |
| 00:31.11 | daedx | mentor: now that It works when I do the modprobe, what do I need to add to my modules.conf to make it work automatically |
| 00:31.12 | rox | Benj_: you need to install a graphical interfac e |
| 00:31.14 | mentor | dli: The scsi disk the usb-mass-storage driver is emulating... |
| 00:31.14 | abrotman | rd: btw .. unix is case sensitive |
| 00:31.19 | mentor | daedx: check your /etc/modules to make sure all these modules will be loaded. |
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| 00:31.29 | rd | abrotman, realy? ;) |
| 00:31.38 | abrotman | rd: uhm .. so try debian vs Debian |
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| 00:31.41 | SquareRt | initech: f***in A, man |
| 00:31.46 | Dreams | Benj_: adduser |
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| 00:31.47 | rox | Benj_: erm ... i think you should read a unix introductory |
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| 00:31.55 | daedx | there is only ide-generic and ide-cd |
| 00:32.00 | Benj_ | it says "operation not permitted" |
| 00:32.02 | dli_ | mentor: I know that, dmesg says scsi emulation. :( Just tell me a commad :( |
| 00:32.04 | rd | abrotman, i try, but at the faq page it is with a capital d |
| 00:32.05 | daedx | in my /etc/modules |
| 00:32.09 | rox | Benj_: as root you type in console adduser <username> |
| 00:32.11 | Noid | Benj_: adduser <insert fancy user name here> |
| 00:32.11 | mentor | dli: no. |
| 00:32.12 | Benj_ | ooh never mind, I found the problem |
| 00:32.14 | SquareRt | daedx: psmouse and mousedev |
| 00:32.14 | abrotman | rd: well .. i get a page when i use 'd' |
| 00:32.18 | Benj_ | thanks guys |
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| 00:32.27 | mentor | dli: Just reda the manual pages, so we don't have to waste our time telling you what you could find out. |
| 00:32.31 | daedx | SquareRt: Why there is no psmouse and mousedev in my /etc/modules? |
| 00:32.31 | SquareRt | daedx: I added them to my laptop teh other day when it play up with mice |
| 00:32.33 | rox | Benj_: then oyu are not root |
| 00:32.39 | rox | Benj_: then you are regular user |
| 00:32.42 | mentor | dli: Hint, you have to load the scsi core. |
| 00:32.47 | SquareRt | daedx: because hotplug is supposed to do it for you |
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| 00:32.59 | SquareRt | iirc |
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| 00:33.03 | [2am] | hey |
| 00:33.05 | [2am] | quick question |
| 00:33.13 | daedx | SquareRt: So maybe hotplug broke |
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| 00:33.14 | dli_ | mentor: can I just copy the dev image? |
| 00:33.16 | [2am] | anyone know how to enable spinning down of harddrives when they're idle under linux? |
| 00:33.21 | abrotman | rd: work better? |
| 00:33.21 | NeoSadist | the debian sarge installer is not installing the graphical desktop. this is the 2nd time it has done this. how do i get it? last time i used apt-get to get kde gnome, etc, but on reboot i could not "startx" and it did not boot the graphical system. |
| 00:33.22 | [2am] | (external fw disks) |
| 00:33.22 | mentor | dli: uh... |
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| 00:33.34 | abrotman | [2am]: unplug it? |
| 00:33.35 | SquareRt | daedx: maybe... |
| 00:33.45 | rox | Benj_: is this your first attempt at installing linux? |
| 00:33.46 | [2am] | abrotman: was hoping for something a *bit* less manual |
| 00:33.56 | abrotman | NeoSadist: apt-get install x-window-system gnome kde |
| 00:34.00 | SquareRt | [2am]: hdparm would work on ide... dunno about ieee1394 |
| 00:34.01 | abrotman | NeoSadist: apt-get install x-window-system gnome kde gdm kdm |
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| 00:34.19 | NeoSadist | abrotman: it's doesn't have a package named kde, but thanks, i'll get it rolling. |
| 00:34.28 | SquareRt | neosadist: I assume you added the right package sources and chose the "Desktop Environment" task? |
| 00:34.29 | daedx | Ok I'll reboot |
| 00:34.31 | abrotman | !info kde sarge |
| 00:34.37 | abrotman | what kind of crap is that |
| 00:34.41 | abrotman | !kde sucks |
| 00:34.50 | dan2 | !fuck kde |
| 00:34.51 | g4lt | !tasks suck |
| 00:34.52 | SquareRt | abrotman: !vi sucks |
| 00:34.55 | [2am] | danka |
| 00:34.57 | SquareRt | abrotman: !DOS sucks |
| 00:34.57 | abrotman | !vi sucks |
| 00:35.01 | abrotman | nope |
| 00:35.11 | SquareRt | abrotman: !VMS sucks... I'm sure I'll hit a nerve eventually lol |
| 00:35.12 | initech | !fuck dpkg |
| 00:35.16 | Noid | hmmm |
| 00:35.22 | Noid | !kill bill |
| 00:35.24 | abrotman | dpkg: you're awesome |
| 00:35.27 | NeoSadist | SquareRt: no, it did not have that choice. it gave me a list of server package groupings, nothing desktop, and then after installing what i wanted, dumped me into a shell |
| 00:35.33 | mrloco | hello I'm getting a segfault when using mdadm to activate a raid1 partition under kernel-2.4.27-1-686 -- works find under kernel-2.4.26-1-i386 - any suggestions? |
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| 00:35.51 | NeoSadist | i might need to get a new debian sarge net install cd, as this one is from a month ago |
| 00:35.57 | SquareRt | !fuck dpkg from the front then takes it |
| 00:36.07 | abrotman | NeoSadist: not likely |
| 00:36.10 | SquareRt | mmm... creative :D |
| 00:36.23 | Francesca | is that really appropriate use of dpkg? |
| 00:36.24 | abrotman | NeoSadist: what isn't working? |
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| 00:36.42 | abrotman | helix: now i know why you stay away :) |
| 00:36.58 | sgeigerbot | NeoSadist: No you don't. Just do apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 00:36.59 | abrotman | NeoSadist: what isn't working? |
| 00:37.03 | SquareRt | francesca: I was just trying to point out that the !dpkg spells can be used for good (LARTing) or evil (revenge) |
| 00:37.14 | NeoSadist | abrotman: well it's not giving me a choice to get the graphical system at all, at any time during the install. that's all i wanted, but if i know how to apt-get the desktop, i can do it. sorry, i understand xorg/xfree etc, but i was just told not to ever mess with inittab |
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| 00:37.25 | abrotman | NeoSadist: uhm .. no kidding |
| 00:37.26 | mrloco | is anyone using mdadm, or are you using raidtools/raidtools2? |
| 00:37.31 | sgeigerbot | Damn it! I know why we have so many punks in #debian! Someone shut off lartd. |
| 00:37.32 | abrotman | NeoSadist: is the install done? |
| 00:37.33 | rox | Francesca: nah, it's abuse ... but i bet dpkg enjoys it |
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| 00:37.43 | SquareRt | lol sgeigerbot |
| 00:37.46 | NeoSadist | yes install was done, i was in shell. it's apt-get installing what i need now ... |
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| 00:37.54 | abrotman | NeoSadist: the debian install does not install a GUI by default |
| 00:38.04 | rox | NeoSadist: ain't that lovely |
| 00:38.12 | SquareRt | guerin: |
| 00:38.14 | NeoSadist | that's weird... last time it did... |
| 00:38.14 | SquareRt | oops |
| 00:38.26 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: It does if you use the knoppix installer. |
| 00:38.33 | abrotman | NeoSadist: no .. it didn't |
| 00:38.37 | abrotman | !useless factoid |
| 00:38.37 | dpkg | useless factoid is, like, Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 00:38.39 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:38.43 | mwilson | If you select something that requires it, it does... like the Desktop task. |
| 00:38.52 | abrotman | not by 'default' |
| 00:38.57 | sgeigerbot | abrotman: That's excellent. |
| 00:39.04 | vorpal | how can i install grub on a drive whose bios ID will change? (i need something like the override mapping option used in lilo) |
| 00:39.06 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: sorry ... |
| 00:39.17 | NeoSadist | that's weird, because last time i got that option |
| 00:39.21 | NeoSadist | oh well |
| 00:39.25 | mwilson | No you didn't. |
| 00:39.28 | mentor | NeoSadist: Uhm, why do you have to mess with inittab? |
| 00:39.37 | NeoSadist | mentor: i'm not messing with inittab |
| 00:39.39 | mentor | NeoSadist: Didn't tasksel appear during base-config? |
| 00:39.41 | mwilson | mentor: Because he thinks he's running DeadRat. |
| 00:39.44 | NeoSadist | i said i was told to not do that |
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| 00:39.54 | mentor | NeoSadist: Uhm, why would you have to mess with inittab? |
| 00:40.03 | NeoSadist | mwilson: your insults of other distributions are not only not funny, but stupid. welcome to /ignore |
| 00:40.13 | cafuego | abrotman: Really? |
| 00:40.17 | cafuego | !red is a colour |
| 00:40.18 | dpkg | ...but red is already something else... |
| 00:40.27 | cafuego | !red is also colour |
| 00:40.27 | dpkg | okay, cafuego |
| 00:40.39 | g4lt | NeoSadist pity, since the rest of us will now answer you with "ask mwilson" |
| 00:40.47 | helix | abrotman: yeah, lots of classy folks in here |
| 00:40.48 | sgeigerbot | !+red |
| 00:40.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, red is the color of your blood, or colour |
| 00:40.56 | NeoSadist | anyone who insults other distributions and/or software companies, in my book, 1) isn't reading the Linux Advocacy and 2) is no better than some of those gentoo pinheads |
| 00:41.08 | abrotman | mentor: because RH installs a GUI by default .. you change inittab to get gui starting or not .. that seemed to be the RH way |
| 00:41.09 | abrotman | !red |
| 00:41.09 | dpkg | somebody said red was the color of your blood, or colour |
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| 00:41.23 | Guerin | NeoSadist: oh fucking spare us |
| 00:41.24 | abrotman | helix: aren't we grand .. |
| 00:41.25 | g4lt | NeoSadist anyone that /ignores potential help based on personal issues is a moron |
| 00:41.27 | NeoSadist | g4lt: if the rest of you are going to insult other distributions and think that's funny, then you have just ruined debian's reputation |
| 00:41.34 | cafuego | NeoSadist: Most people here who insult crap like Redhat *have* in fact used it and have resons for disliking it with enough passion to insult it. |
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| 00:41.42 | NeoSadist | g4lt: no, he's just a "this is not deadrat" parrot |
| 00:41.42 | sgeigerbot | !red is also a wine |
| 00:41.42 | dpkg | sgeigerbot: okay |
| 00:41.47 | abrotman | helix: the sad part is .. if you ever met most of us in public .. we'd be normal people .. except sgeigerbot |
| 00:41.50 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:41.59 | helix | abrotman: luckily that will never happen :) |
| 00:42.00 | directhex | and sussudio |
| 00:42.01 | jharrison | thats better |
| 00:42.04 | SquareRt | abrotman: take that back! who said I was normal? lol |
| 00:42.07 | mentor | NeoSadist: Didn't tasksel appear during base-config? |
| 00:42.11 | abrotman | helix: aw .. that's harsh |
| 00:42.12 | cafuego | sgeigerbot would be a 386 with a blinky light on the case. |
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| 00:42.16 | mrloco | any software raid users out there? raidtools2 or mdadm???? |
| 00:42.24 | mentor | ~tell mrloco about ep |
| 00:42.26 | abrotman | !flip a coin |
| 00:42.28 | jharrison | abrotman: thats ok helix might get whats coming to her |
| 00:42.34 | jharrison | hopefully not though |
| 00:42.34 | mentor | ~tell mrloco about polls |
| 00:42.37 | cafuego | mrloco: Using raidtools2 |
| 00:42.37 | jharrison | ;) |
| 00:42.37 | abrotman | jharrison: a hurricane? |
| 00:42.40 | jharrison | abrotman: yep |
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| 00:42.55 | jharrison | Guerin: a friend called hurican frances |
| 00:42.56 | helix | water |
| 00:42.58 | SquareRt | abrotman: hurry caine? You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off! |
| 00:43.00 | Guerin | ah |
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| 00:43.05 | sgeigerbot | I look just like dpkg. |
| 00:43.08 | Guerin | wacky weather in the tropics |
| 00:43.15 | helix | my water heater is broken |
| 00:43.19 | helix | my life sucks in other ways |
| 00:43.21 | Kerr | I have a muse 5.1 soundcard and sarge.. how would i go about getting sound ? |
| 00:43.26 | abrotman | helix: is that a problem? |
| 00:43.28 | cafuego | helix: Luckily you live somewhere warm. |
| 00:43.37 | helix | abrotman: well, if you like to take hot showers, yes.. |
| 00:43.39 | mentor | bah, in my day we had to boil our drinking water with our own body heat! |
| 00:43.41 | Guerin | cafuego: so do you |
| 00:43.45 | cafuego | helix: When OUR natural gas plant blew up, it was the middle of winter. |
| 00:43.48 | jharrison | helix: its summer time |
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| 00:43.54 | NeoSadist | cafuego: really? i thought debian was a Linux distribution, just like the rest. not "just like the rest" as in the same, but "just like the rest" as in the same software, basically. it isn't right for us to insult other distributions just for the heck of it, whether we think we have a reason or not. whatever, this argument is completely pointless, because this room is full of jerks who think they're better than all other linux users. that's no bette |
| 00:43.54 | NeoSadist | r than gentoo or any other distribution full of pinheads. maybe people need to start thinking about how their actions are a reflection on their OS. |
| 00:43.58 | jharrison | helix: who takes hot showers in the summer time |
| 00:44.02 | helix | what does "it's summer time" have to do with "the water is like ice"? |
| 00:44.03 | rd | i added the deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.2/debian stable main line in sources.list and did apt-get update but still when i try to apt-get install kde it sais that kde is already the newest version. what did i do wrong? |
| 00:44.05 | blight_ | i just setup lm-sensors/phpsysinfo and it says my CPU is only 23?C, while the mobo is 29? (idle) *lol* |
| 00:44.06 | sgeigerbot | cafuego: our natural gas company was named People's Natural Gas |
| 00:44.06 | helix | like I shower outside |
| 00:44.08 | mentor | NeoSadist: Enough now. |
| 00:44.10 | Guerin | !fuck NeoSadist |
| 00:44.15 | abrotman | helix: i was going to make a crude comment .. but i decided to avoid your vengeful nature .. and refrain |
| 00:44.15 | blight_ | lol |
| 00:44.15 | mentor | Guerin: You too. |
| 00:44.16 | helix | Guerin: don't do that |
| 00:44.24 | g4lt | NeoSadist maybe you need to think of how your actions are screwing your chances for competent help |
| 00:44.41 | Guerin | yeah yeah |
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| 00:44.44 | helix | abrotman: you learn quickly, young grasshopper |
| 00:44.44 | Guerin | I can |
| 00:44.47 | abrotman | helix: you don't live with parental units? |
| 00:44.50 | sciboy | Hey. |
| 00:44.51 | Guerin | 't take this 'tude at this hour |
| 00:44.56 | helix | abrotman: maybe |
| 00:45.02 | kn0t | Hello... I need to patch my kernel, but I don't know if I should do "cd /usr/src/linux" and then "patch -p1 patch-file" or from "cd /usr/src" or if it's -p0.... Any help? |
| 00:45.15 | sgeigerbot | *clears throat* Those not paying attention can stay after class. |
| 00:45.27 | g4lt | kn0t doesn't kernel.org have instructions on how to do that anymore? |
| 00:45.29 | cafuego | NeoSadist: Yes, Debian is a Linux distribution, as is Redhat. However, they are differentiated by admin tools, management tools, package system, configuration etc. Some Linux distros do this well and others make it a hopeless mess. Thus, some are easy to admin, others are hell to work with. |
| 00:45.32 | abrotman | helix: well .. either you live with 2344 cats .. or 2344 cats and your parents :) |
| 00:45.44 | seberino | dns question-> is refresh time interval usually /exactly/ the same as minimum TTL time interval? why or why not? |
| 00:45.53 | cafuego | NeoSadist: See how they may all differ, even if they're all Linux distros? |
| 00:45.53 | abrotman | seberino: #dns |
| 00:45.54 | kn0t | g4lt I looked but didn't see... I'm checking back again |
| 00:45.58 | NeoSadist | cafuego: i'm aware of the differences. however, it's not smart nor even logical to insult other fellow linux distributions. |
| 00:45.58 | Kerr | the horror.. i click GLtron, and it doesn't launch. |
| 00:46.01 | sciboy | =P |
| 00:46.01 | Kerr | :-/ |
| 00:46.12 | directhex | Kerr, armagetron is better though |
| 00:46.21 | Guerin | NeoSadist: why is it not? |
| 00:46.23 | mentor | cafuego: I think this discussion is closed. |
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| 00:46.31 | cafuego | NeoSadist: Of course it is. I think Redhat sucks, so I can happily tell everyone I think it's a piece of crap. |
| 00:46.44 | sgeigerbot | This is Debian, not DeadRat or RootHat or RedShat...or.... |
| 00:46.47 | NeoSadist | because the Linux Advocacy FAQ says otherwise |
| 00:46.52 | rox | are there any java 1.4.2 debs? |
| 00:47.02 | sgeigerbot | NeoSadist: leave. |
| 00:47.05 | Guerin | NeoSadist: where is this faq and why should it determine my opinions? |
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| 00:47.08 | cafuego | NeoSadist: Oh, and the advoicacy faq is my new Law of Life, is it? |
| 00:47.10 | kn0t | g4lt nope... can't find it |
| 00:47.11 | NeoSadist | gladly: i'll go back to #slackware |
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| 00:47.17 | mentor | haha |
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| 00:47.26 | g4lt | kn0t I think it's -p0 |
| 00:47.26 | dan2 | does google seem slow tonight? |
| 00:47.27 | cafuego | NeoSadist: I'd rather live in a world of windows users then a world of redhat or gentoo users. |
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| 00:47.42 | mentor | cafuego: I think you missed him... |
| 00:47.49 | cafuego | At least the former KNOW they're dumb. |
| 00:48.01 | sciboy | Guerin: Heya, with the old farty laptop i resorted to this OS. http://menuetos.org/ |
| 00:48.05 | cafuego | mentor: I'll annoy him via /ctcp now then |
| 00:48.13 | Guerin | feh, anyone who preaches peace and tolerance at the expense of vigorous debate is always going to get trouble from me |
| 00:48.15 | mentor | heh |
| 00:48.16 | mrloco | I could use some help with mdadm under sarge kernel 2.4 if anyone is familiar with it |
| 00:48.23 | Kerr | armagetron doesn't launch either :-/ |
| 00:48.32 | rox | cafuego: well .. i can understand disrespect for redhat, mandrake and suse users, but why gentoo? |
| 00:48.36 | Guerin | sciboy: how's it playing out for you? |
| 00:48.43 | Noid | rox: nope, you get them from sun's java site |
| 00:48.44 | mentor | Guerin: Well, yes, but this isn't really the place. |
| 00:48.49 | DarknessX | hrmm, whenever I try to input text, anywhere in firefox, it crashes on me. I've tried removing it and reinstallingit, but it still happens. Any ideas? |
| 00:48.57 | rox | Noid: sun has debs? |
| 00:49.07 | directhex | !tell rox about gentoo syndrome |
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| 00:49.18 | sciboy | Guerin: It is working ok, but i am just disappointed there wasn't a linux distro that catered for me =( |
| 00:49.19 | cafuego | rox: Because of its userbase. Ignorant idiots without any capacity to learn. (I realise that's a sweeping generalisation, but there you go) |
| 00:49.30 | Noid | rox: erhm i don't think so |
| 00:49.33 | Kerr | DarknessX: it might be something to do with the font firefox is attempting to use? |
| 00:49.35 | Guerin | mentor: I think that the discussion had had a slightly different tone, it could well have been topical and interesting in here. |
| 00:49.40 | sciboy | Guerin: This OS is in its early stages so there isn't much software for it. |
| 00:49.53 | DarknessX | Kerr: that's a great idea, I'll play with that. Thanks] |
| 00:49.55 | mentor | Guerin: You are allowed to think that. |
| 00:49.58 | Guerin | sciboy: there is a linux distro which caters to you, you know. |
| 00:50.13 | Guerin | mentor: thank you for allowing me my delusions. |
| 00:50.26 | sciboy | Guerin: Really Now? |
| 00:50.27 | g4lt | mentor however, I DO think that there ought to be an unofficial "if you insult one of the regular helpers, the other regulars won't help you either" policy |
| 00:50.30 | Noid | rox: i was refering to the java development kits, not to the debs |
| 00:51.04 | Guerin | sciboy: you're just wanting to run drag races in a 1982 mitsi mirage with a dodgy carburettor |
| 00:51.20 | mentor | g4lt: You are free to form such alliances. |
| 00:51.20 | rox | cafuego: well, i personally never tried gentoo, but some newb gave me root once, to help him configure stuff amd i saw that gentoo packages come utterly unconfigured ... that left me with the impresion that gentoo encourages its users to read documentation and learn |
| 00:51.25 | abrotman | Guerin: heh |
| 00:51.28 | Guerin | sciboy: pitch your expectations lower and you'll find that machine does plenty. |
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| 00:51.47 | kn0t | g4lt, I'm going to try... with -p1 doesn't do anything... |
| 00:51.55 | Guerin | rox: that a gentoo user would give J. Random root also says quite a lot... |
| 00:52.01 | sciboy | Guerin: My expectations go lower and i no longer have X =P |
| 00:52.14 | kn0t | g4lt, cd /usr/src/linux and then "patch -p0 patch_file"? |
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| 00:52.15 | cafuego | rox: It encourages yes, but in practice they just whine on irc until someone gives 'em a command to paste. |
| 00:52.22 | rox | Guerin: he was a total newbie |
| 00:52.25 | Kerr | there should be a flag.. like - instead of + that can be given to fucktards, that allows them to speak but points them out as having such an exagerated ego, that they feel it is right to force their oppinions onto others. |
| 00:52.29 | Noid | rox: all i know about gentoo is that it is used by people compiling with optimizations so that they can get processes to run a few nanseconds faster |
| 00:52.38 | Ugly_Duck | what are some of the security packages out there... i know about snort, what others are there? |
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| 00:53.17 | Noid | rox: and afaik the optimization flags are almost always the same, so there's not really much to learn in that area |
| 00:53.19 | jharrison | Ugly_Duck: nmap, nessus, ettercap, ethereal, etc... |
| 00:53.21 | Kerr | are there any packages that can turn my perculator off, when the jug is full? i hate it spilling over. such a waste of good caffeine. |
| 00:53.30 | Guerin | sciboy: have you looked at tinyx and other such hacks? I don't know whether they're designed to work just in small storage space or small ram, but I'd expect there to be a very low-memory x distro out there someplace. |
| 00:53.33 | rox | Noid: i of course realise that there is very little sense in compiling everything |
| 00:53.44 | Xenguy | Ugly_Duck: there's a good 'security' section on debian.org |
| 00:53.49 | Ugly_Duck | jharrison: i mean, some thing that logs security alerts etc.. |
| 00:53.56 | Ugly_Duck | Xenguy: good idea, thanks |
| 00:54.12 | sciboy | Guerin: Yeh, TinyX wasn't being friendly with the NeoMagic chipset my laptop has... |
| 00:54.15 | jharrison | Ugly_Duck: you mean intrusion detection systems? |
| 00:54.17 | rox | Noid: as far as performance goes, it makes sense to compile the kernel, compression libs, compilers and ... perhaps tar |
| 00:54.18 | Xenguy | Ugly_Duck: It's quite comprehensive, step-by-step -- I've learned a lot just from there |
| 00:54.24 | rox | Noid: but that's pretty much it |
| 00:54.29 | Guerin | sciboy: not even under vesa? |
| 00:54.48 | sciboy | Guerin: Suprisingly enough, no. |
| 00:54.49 | directhex | rox, so go apt-get install libc6-i686 |
| 00:54.50 | rox | Noid: oh, and libc |
| 00:54.51 | Noid | rox: specially when the benefits of so doing are unnoticeable at best... i think gentoo it's like a "placebo speed boost" distro |
| 00:55.01 | Ugly_Duck | jharrison: yea, thats it; sorry. i couldn't think of the right words at the time i asked |
| 00:55.09 | Guerin | sciboy: you could (gasp) just go spend $20 on a stick of ram... |
| 00:55.35 | sciboy | Guerin: I have absolutely no income whatsoever. |
| 00:55.40 | jharrison | Ugly_Duck: give me a minute im eating dinner |
| 00:55.45 | sciboy | Guerin: That is not an option for me =( |
| 00:55.55 | Noid | rox: you *must* notice it's faster, it's either that or feeling a fool after a few days of compiling stuff |
| 00:56.01 | rox | Noid: i totally agree that compiling event driven apps it total waste of time and everything else it requires |
| 00:56.27 | Kerr | rox: i get the idea that if the time spent configuring gnetoo, and it's sumbsiquent packages, then waiting for both to install was spent working.. even at the minimun wage, the instalee could purchase hardware that doesn't need optimising, and use debian O.o |
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| 00:56.43 | rox | Noid: like i said .. there is some sense in compiling a few things .. but not the whole distro |
| 00:57.01 | Ugly_Duck | jharrison: np, i'm not going any where in a hurry |
| 00:57.01 | Noid | rox: yeah |
| 00:57.03 | kn0t | g4lt thanx!! I've found how to do it |
| 00:57.07 | Ugly_Duck | its 1pm my time |
| 00:57.11 | kn0t | I was missing a <' |
| 00:57.14 | Kerr | its 2am my time |
| 00:57.23 | rox | Kerr: well ... debian often leaves you clueless, because packages come with sensible default configuration |
| 00:57.30 | directhex | eek! brit! |
| 00:57.33 | kn0t | "cd /usr/src/linux/" and then "patch -p1 < /path/to/kernel/patch" |
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| 00:57.59 | rox | Kerr: sometimes it's good for you to get an unconfigured package ... in that case you are at least forced to read some docs |
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| 00:58.45 | DarknessX | hrm, my firefox problem didn't change when I played with the fonts. I'm not quite sure what's going on with it, but it sure is annoying to not be able to type in any forms.. |
| 00:58.47 | Kerr | rox: i guess it depends on the packages in question. |
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| 00:59.20 | graytron | sometimes its darn difficult to find the right doc to read |
| 00:59.29 | rox | Kerr: you are totally right ... for most packages it would be a pain to configure them from scratch |
| 00:59.51 | BDI | I just installed Debian, there are hardly any packages! how do I download the rest? |
| 00:59.59 | DarknessX | but it started happening after I upgraded some pango packages, so I guess it could be font related |
| 01:00.18 | rox | BDI: erm ... you installed from what media? |
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| 01:00.27 | Kerr | rox: BDI man apt-get and man dselect |
| 01:00.33 | BDI | CD / netinstall |
| 01:00.33 | Kerr | err mnpt rox |
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| 01:00.50 | Guerin | sciboy: what wms did you try? What was performance like in, say, twm with a couple xterms? |
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| 01:00.56 | Kerr | blah.. i'm going to bed. typing is confusing my poor decaffianted brain. |
| 01:01.01 | Kerr | nite :) |
| 01:01.13 | BDI | thanks guys, it seems to be working |
| 01:01.15 | rox | BDI: like Kerr said, read the manual for apt-get. it's debian's geat package installation tool |
| 01:01.23 | BDI | i'll message again if it's not working |
| 01:01.26 | rox | s/geat/great/ |
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| 01:01.54 | rox | BDI: what branch did you install? |
| 01:02.07 | mobility | has anyone here ever had a major problem with trying to send e-mail through there gentoo box before... really battlin here.. no MTA services on any ports nuttin!.. even gave my isp a ring today and said ports definantly not being blocked...?? |
| 01:02.09 | BDI | i386 |
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| 01:02.22 | g4lt | mobility go ask neosadist |
| 01:02.38 | Alleria | Is there a way to overwrite empty space on an existing ext3 partition? |
| 01:02.39 | rox | BDI: you have task pckages for different tasks .. do you want to have a desktop system? |
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| 01:02.48 | cafuego | mobility: This is #debian, not #gentoo. |
| 01:02.49 | DarknessX | argh,it's doing it on mozilla too! |
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| 01:02.59 | rox | BDI: branches are stable, testing and unstable |
| 01:03.22 | BDI | I want a desktop interface |
| 01:03.36 | Alleria | e.g. will e2fsck -c do it? |
| 01:03.43 | DarknessX | anybody have any ideas? I just did a quick apt-get upgrade on my 'testing' box, and now no forms in mozilla or firefox work. |
| 01:03.57 | DarknessX | it upgraded a few pango libs as well as a few other things |
| 01:04.01 | DarknessX | pango has to do with fonts, right? |
| 01:04.15 | graytron | apt-get install x-window-system-core kde |
| 01:04.25 | dje | DarknessX: look at this bug. maybe you're having the same problem http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207193 |
| 01:04.26 | rox | BDI: well ... you could just install the task-x-window-system metapckage, but i'd suggest you build your system step bystep .. that way you'll get to know it better |
| 01:04.38 | sciboy | Guerin: Slow. |
| 01:04.45 | dje | DarknessX: one person said they resolved the issue by removing xmms-alsa |
| 01:04.45 | BDI | k thx |
| 01:04.53 | DarknessX | hmm |
| 01:05.10 | DarknessX | dje: I don't have that package |
| 01:05.10 | sciboy | Guerin: Takes 3 seconds or so to open a xterm window, and while typing, it would keep stopping and catching up on occasion. |
| 01:05.31 | rox | BDI: you should install the x window system, then install a window manager or a desktop manager, and then the desktop apps you need .. browser, office, mail client and so on |
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| 01:05.52 | rox | BDI: it's going to take a few hours, but trust me, it's well worth it |
| 01:06.01 | rox | BDI: you learn a lot by doing it |
| 01:06.05 | BDI | :) |
| 01:06.26 | dje | DarknessX: the same person also said if they turn off their network interface, then launch mozilla and type something in a form, then start it back up it works fine |
| 01:06.33 | graytron | rox is so nice :) |
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| 01:07.00 | rox | BDI: here's a document to help you http://debguide.sarovar.org/en/ |
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| 01:07.19 | rox | graytron: i learned from the best :) |
| 01:07.41 | graytron | rox: i envy you :) |
| 01:07.44 | DarknessX | dje, I might try that. I'm reading everthing ont he page right now. Thanks for finding that for me |
| 01:07.53 | rox | graytron: ?? |
| 01:08.13 | graytron | rox: i'm still in the process of learning |
| 01:08.14 | dje | DarknessX: you might do some more bugzilla.mozilla.org queries too. you might track down something more helpful |
| 01:08.30 | rox | graytron: who isn't |
| 01:08.59 | graytron | well.. |
| 01:09.04 | graytron | rox: good night now :) |
| 01:09.16 | rox | graytron: sleep well |
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| 01:11.04 | DarknessX | dje: my links skills aren't top of the line, and so I'd like to get it to work any way I can.. |
| 01:11.23 | dje | DarknessX: hah |
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| 01:12.32 | asg | dan2: hiya |
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| 01:13.07 | AwaynessX | hrm, bringing down my ethernet, bringing up the browser, and then bringing up ethernet again made it work |
| 01:13.15 | abrotman | asg: pubtime!! |
| 01:13.22 | AwaynessX | I hope I don't have to do that every single damn time, thouhg. |
| 01:13.32 | asg | abrotman: different pub, with mrs. asg in tow this evening |
| 01:13.40 | abrotman | asg: and the laptop? |
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| 01:13.54 | dje | AwaynessX: don't ever close your browser! hehe. that or you could always resort to using konqueror |
| 01:13.54 | asg | abrotman: nope, they were stowed in the trunk of the car |
| 01:14.07 | dan2 | asg: hey! |
| 01:14.10 | asg | dan2: :) |
| 01:14.18 | dan2 | asg: first day of school, also had mouth surgery today... |
| 01:14.27 | AwaynessX | dje: I'm on a lappy, and as much as I like KDE (I use it on my desktop), I don't want to have to install the extra 2 gigs worth of libraries to run one program :-P |
| 01:14.27 | asg | dan2: ouch, painful start |
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| 01:14.32 | dan2 | asg: yeah |
| 01:14.47 | asg | dan2: our systems started back a week ago. |
| 01:14.55 | dan2 | asg: tylenol with codene + valium helps, makes me feel drunk |
| 01:14.55 | asg | dan2: things are settling down mostly |
| 01:15.08 | asg | dan2: eeek |
| 01:15.54 | asg | cnet: sorry? |
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| 01:16.00 | AwaynessX | haha, dan2: that's pretty much like taking diluted heroin :-P (Codiene is an opiate, I'm sure of it. I think valium is too) |
| 01:16.09 | dan2 | AwaynessX: hah |
| 01:16.12 | dje | AwaynessX: perhaps adding your relevant information to the bug report will help them find a solution faster. You could also add your email address to the CC list so you get notified when anyone adds something |
| 01:16.18 | dan2 | AwaynessX: I have been on morphene before |
| 01:16.30 | AwaynessX | that's an opiate too :-) |
| 01:16.42 | dan2 | AwaynessX: yes, codene is derived from morphene |
| 01:16.54 | AwaynessX | dje: chance you could scroll up and PM/repost the link? |
| 01:17.06 | dje | http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=207193 |
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| 01:17.28 | dan2 | asg: just codene, I feel drowsy, and I have to go back to school tomorrow in mouth pain |
| 01:17.34 | dan2 | asg: it was all at the top of my mouth |
| 01:17.38 | AwaynessX | thanks |
| 01:17.41 | asg | dan2: best get a little sleep then |
| 01:17.41 | dan2 | asg: it feels like perpetual pizza burn |
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| 01:18.10 | abrotman | morphine |
| 01:18.21 | abrotman | vallium iirc |
| 01:18.21 | asg | abrotman: morphine ice cubes? |
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| 01:18.33 | abrotman | asg: no . dan2 kept spelling it morphene |
| 01:18.34 | dan2 | abrotman: no, its valium, I just checked the bottle |
| 01:18.42 | asg | abrotman: :) |
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| 01:18.48 | abrotman | dan2: how many drugs are you on? .. you can't spell or read :) |
| 01:19.09 | dan2 | abrotman: I already told you, codene + tylenol + aleve + valium |
| 01:19.23 | dan2 | abrotman: and an antibiotic |
| 01:19.55 | abrotman | dan2: want a beer? |
| 01:20.16 | dan2 | abrotman: no, the last time I had I had alcohol with codene, I blacked out |
| 01:20.33 | abrotman | dan2: it was a joke ..i know what happens |
| 01:20.54 | dan2 | abrotman: I woke up the next morning, they told me I fell down the stairs |
| 01:20.55 | asg | abrotman: fuzzy pink bunnies > pain |
| 01:21.14 | abrotman | asg: absolutely .. i'll always take the bunnies |
| 01:21.27 | asg | abrotman: better than the whippits |
| 01:21.40 | dan2 | asg: to cover the wound at the top of my mouth, its like this silly putty almost |
| 01:21.46 | dan2 | asg: mm, more like chewing gum |
| 01:21.53 | dan2 | only it tastes horrible |
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| 01:22.00 | asg | dan2: you're not supposed to eat it |
| 01:22.13 | abrotman | asg: trust me .. way better |
| 01:22.19 | asg | dan2: maybe you can pad it with some trident or someting :) |
| 01:22.21 | asg | abrotman: ;) |
| 01:22.32 | dan2 | asg: no, I licked it at the top of my mouth |
| 01:23.15 | abrotman | dan2: want some peanut butter? |
| 01:23.23 | asg | mmmmmm, pb |
| 01:23.30 | dan2 | abrotman: that'd be good |
| 01:23.54 | dan2 | asg: I am on the milkshake and pudding diet |
| 01:23.55 | dan2 | ;) |
| 01:24.10 | dli_ | my memory stick contains long filename, how to keep them? instead of using some ~1 |
| 01:24.10 | abrotman | uhm .. dude |
| 01:24.11 | asg | dan2: hehe |
| 01:24.12 | dan2 | asg: I started drinking slim fast too so I could get some carbs in |
| 01:24.15 | abrotman | some people would kill for that diet |
| 01:24.19 | dan2 | asg: with some actual vitamins |
| 01:24.27 | pwn4ge | dan2: what kinda mouthe surgery did you have? |
| 01:24.30 | abrotman | if i can have choc/van milkshakes .. and butterscotch pudding .. i'm all set |
| 01:24.38 | dan2 | pwn4ge: exposures ... teeth pulling |
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| 01:25.02 | pwn4ge | ouch |
| 01:25.22 | dan2 | abrotman: I can't gain any weight on this diet, I'll burn it all off at football (which I am not allowed to play for a week) |
| 01:25.23 | abrotman | they serve reese's sticks at the bar? |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | dan2: so what? |
| 01:25.36 | asg | abrotman: no, I'm at home now |
| 01:25.48 | abrotman | asg: damn . that was fast |
| 01:26.07 | dan2 | abrotman: burger king has better milkshakes than mcdonalds |
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| 01:26.12 | asg | abrotman: I wasn't there when I came on a few minutes ago, I was there earlier tonight |
| 01:26.18 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:26.29 | abrotman | dan2: yes they do .. but the straight mix is the best |
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| 01:27.05 | AwaynessX | is there a log of all apt- action? I did an 'upgrade' and I'd really like to see exactly what was upgraded |
| 01:27.09 | dan2 | abrotman: did you know slim fast has 20g of protein?! |
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| 01:27.17 | parag0n | woot :) |
| 01:27.21 | initech | AwaynessX: apt-listchanges |
| 01:27.23 | parag0n | got debian installed :) |
| 01:27.23 | asg | AwaynessX: not unless you redirected the output or used aptitude |
| 01:27.24 | dan2 | abrotman: and its cheaper than my protein drinks |
| 01:27.25 | abrotman | dan2: try ensure .. it's better for you |
| 01:27.28 | AwaynessX | initech: thanks |
| 01:27.40 | parag0n | theres a couple of thins i need to ask tho |
| 01:28.00 | parag0n | 1. how do i make my mounted HDDs so all users can read them |
| 01:28.04 | asg | AwaynessX: if you need to know which packages were updated, use find /var/cache/apt/archives -type f -mtime -1 (unless you did an apt-get clean) |
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| 01:28.14 | AwaynessX | shoot, I did. |
| 01:28.46 | parag0n | 2. how do i get rid of this annoyingly huge scrolling desktop thing in X |
| 01:28.48 | dan2 | abrotman: does ensure taste better? |
| 01:29.02 | abrotman | dan2: i don't know .. i just know it's what my dad keeps in case of emergency |
| 01:29.03 | dan2 | abrotman: slim fast tastes horrible |
| 01:29.08 | abrotman | i bet it does |
| 01:29.13 | abrotman | but slimfast has other flavours |
| 01:29.17 | dan2 | abrotman: in case of what emergency?... |
| 01:29.19 | abrotman | damn ricky_clarkson |
| 01:29.23 | abrotman | dan2: on his boat |
| 01:29.28 | dan2 | abrotman: oh |
| 01:29.32 | abrotman | dan2: 200 miles from sure kind of emergency |
| 01:29.35 | parag0n | anybody? |
| 01:29.40 | parag0n | *sob* |
| 01:29.48 | asg | parag0n: re: 2.) man XF86Config-4 (see the 'virtual' setting) |
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| 01:29.57 | dan2 | abrotman: creamy chocolate milkshake from slimfast is probably the best slimfast, and its horrible |
| 01:29.58 | dan2 | ;) |
| 01:29.59 | parag0n | yeah, i cleared that setting |
| 01:30.01 | asg | parag0n: set it to the same screen size as what you are running |
| 01:30.02 | Alogon | anyone use pyshaper before? |
| 01:30.12 | abrotman | dan2: ask your parents to pick up some ensure |
| 01:30.19 | parag0n | but it still is stupidhugesetting(tm) |
| 01:30.20 | abrotman | dan2: iirc .. it has more vitamins etc |
| 01:30.21 | initech | dan2: i like the metr-x bars more |
| 01:30.36 | TheAsp | i like cheesecake |
| 01:30.40 | dan2 | initech: I can't chew bars atm, it pretty much has to be liquid, or scrambled eggs |
| 01:30.40 | asg | parag0n: then we must have a different definition of stupidhugesetting(tm) |
| 01:30.45 | Guerin | wtf, who knew computer geeks cared so much about dietary compounds |
| 01:30.57 | asg | Guerin: only dan2, he's an athlete |
| 01:30.58 | abrotman | asg: what kind of pie? |
| 01:31.06 | abrotman | heh .. you think |
| 01:31.09 | asg | abrotman: pretty much anything edible in a crust works for me |
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| 01:31.20 | abrotman | you know what matters in my food? .. that it tastes good |
| 01:31.24 | Guerin | yeah, fish |
| 01:31.29 | dan2 | asg: I got moved to starters on my school football team |
| 01:31.32 | asg | abrotman: that is obviously the defining factor |
| 01:31.35 | abrotman | i could care less what's in it .. as long as it doesn't make me ill . i'll eat it |
| 01:31.36 | asg | dan2: :) |
| 01:31.39 | Guerin | here in korea they have these tiny little dried fishes |
| 01:31.43 | abrotman | sardines? |
| 01:31.47 | Guerin | like, an inch long |
| 01:32.06 | dan2 | asg: coach nicknamed me hulk because I am an animal on the field |
| 01:32.10 | Guerin | saute them in oil and chili, eat them with rice, they're awesome |
| 01:32.18 | abrotman | asg: oh .. and no mushrooms :) |
| 01:32.22 | asg | Guerin: sounds good |
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| 01:32.28 | asg | abrotman: yeah, I'm not a big fan |
| 01:32.32 | dan2 | asg: mmm... sauteed snowpeas |
| 01:32.34 | parag0n | asg: can i paste you the Display subsection |
| 01:32.46 | dan2 | abrotman: add 60 pounds |
| 01:32.48 | asg | parag0n: paste it in #flood |
| 01:32.59 | asg | dan2: yeah |
| 01:33.00 | Guerin | 155? that ain't big for a footballer, is it? |
| 01:33.22 | dan2 | Guerin: ;) |
| 01:33.24 | initech | Guerin: only if it's american football |
| 01:33.38 | DarknessX | is there an apt-command to show through all installed packages? (does cache do that?) |
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| 01:33.48 | dan2 | Guerin: I am not fat like the other football players |
| 01:33.54 | TheAsp | dpkg -l | grep ^i |
| 01:33.55 | Guerin | initech: they's what I mean... I mean, americans can't play proper football, so... |
| 01:33.55 | dpkg | ii |
| 01:33.58 | Guerin | dan2: haha |
| 01:34.10 | dan2 | Guerin: I work out in the gym every day after football practice |
| 01:34.25 | jharrison | asg: are you the one that likes guinness? |
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| 01:34.36 | abrotman | stupid modem |
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| 01:35.00 | dan2 | abrotman: I know you can get cable wherever the hell you live! |
| 01:35.05 | karla | I just installed debian for the first time and noticed that after partitioning only 2 partitions are mounted automatically and the whole system was made to fit on them when actually the rest of the partitions were meant to hold different parts of it |
| 01:35.08 | dan2 | abrotman: and then comcast will rule you |
| 01:35.10 | abrotman | dan2: i had it .. it went away .. |
| 01:35.14 | croepha|home | can someone help me get started setting up a network server for a big LAN party, i need to provide DHCP, DNS and WINS ( maby routing ) what do i need to do this? |
| 01:35.17 | abrotman | dan2: changed landlords .. didn't get it setup again yet |
| 01:35.40 | karla | why did this happen? |
| 01:36.02 | DarknessX | croepha|home: start with dhcpd |
| 01:36.08 | MerlinCorey | yay... |
| 01:36.12 | MerlinCorey | got my power cord... |
| 01:36.40 | abrotman | !congratulate merhojt |
| 01:36.40 | dpkg | huzzah merhojt, you did it! |
| 01:36.42 | abrotman | !congratulate MerlinCorey |
| 01:36.43 | dpkg | huzzah MerlinCorey, you did it! |
| 01:36.46 | dan2 | Guerin: asg: abrotman: I am notoriously the quickest of the lineman, I have made more qb sacks than any other lineman on the team |
| 01:36.48 | abrotman | that lost something |
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| 01:36.56 | abrotman | dan2: you're 95lbs |
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| 01:37.00 | dan2 | abrotman: nah |
| 01:37.08 | abrotman | dan2: 200lbs? |
| 01:37.18 | karla | anybody? |
| 01:37.28 | MerlinCorey | abrotman: *nod* I went to best buy and got a power cord for $10... then I went to some local computer store and got two power cords for free... |
| 01:37.34 | dan2 | abrotman: hold on a second, I'll go jump on the scale, I haven't weighed myself since the beginning of the summer |
| 01:37.36 | abrotman | dan2: find that ensure stuff? |
| 01:37.45 | initech | karla: are you sure you didn't miss something? |
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| 01:37.51 | abrotman | crap |
| 01:37.57 | dan2 | abrotman: at beginning of summer I weighed 155, since I trained all summer, I bet I gained weight |
| 01:38.26 | abrotman | dan2: and you're a lineman? |
| 01:38.29 | abrotman | dan2: i weigh about that |
| 01:38.30 | karla | you mean something left to explain? |
| 01:38.33 | dan2 | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:38.50 | abrotman | dan2: jesus .. to think .. i could have been a lineman in high school |
| 01:38.54 | initech | karla: no, in the installer |
| 01:38.56 | abrotman | i was a bandgeek instead |
| 01:39.00 | dan2 | haha\ |
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| 01:39.13 | abrotman | of course .. when i look at the football players now .. i'm glad i chose band |
| 01:39.18 | dan2 | abrotman: I am the Atheltic Geek (TM) (C) Dan Weber |
| 01:39.30 | ioerror | is there a way to have sarge build a java JRE package in a way similar to: mpkg-j2se does in unstable? |
| 01:39.33 | karla | nope I run fdisk and I can see the rest of the partitions |
| 01:39.34 | DarknessX | wtf is a football player doing in a geek channel? You guys beat me up at school :-P |
| 01:39.36 | ioerror | It's really useful to have a package of it... |
| 01:39.48 | DarknessX | (just kidding, I weigh about 160 myself, play soccer ;-)) |
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| 01:39.51 | abrotman | dan2: that's better than the geek i was :) |
| 01:39.57 | croepha|home | DarknessX, oh, i also need to scan network activity for worms that maby be traveling from infected M$ computers |
| 01:39.58 | karla | one of them for example meant to hold the /home dir |
| 01:40.03 | kerpal23 | Anyone recommend a good speed test from the console? |
| 01:40.07 | DarknessX | croepha|home: clamAV |
| 01:40.10 | abrotman | ioerror: you mean using mpkg-j2se in sarge? |
| 01:40.16 | abrotman | !info mpkg-j2se sarge |
| 01:40.16 | ioerror | abrotman, yes |
| 01:40.17 | dan2 | abrotman: I just weighed in at 167 |
| 01:40.26 | gimbal | might anyone happen to know, "like fer real", why the Debian FreeBSD distro is freebsd instead of netbsd? just curious about it |
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| 01:40.27 | abrotman | wtf .. where did it go? |
| 01:40.29 | dan2 | abrotman: so I gained 12 pounds |
| 01:40.35 | abrotman | dan2: time for a diet |
| 01:40.41 | dan2 | abrotman: thats muscle weight |
| 01:40.45 | karla | when home is already mounted in the existing fstad partition |
| 01:40.46 | abrotman | gimbal: you're probably asking the wrong people |
| 01:40.51 | abrotman | dan2: if you say so :) |
| 01:40.53 | asg | jharrison: yep |
| 01:40.55 | gimbal | abrotman: hehe |
| 01:40.59 | ioerror | !help |
| 01:41.07 | abrotman | gimbal: there is a mailing list |
| 01:41.12 | TheAsp | gimbal: it wouldnt be much of a freebsd distroy if it used netbsd |
| 01:41.13 | Alogon | anyone messed with pyshaper? |
| 01:41.19 | abrotman | !tell ioerror about help |
| 01:41.24 | abrotman | fark |
| 01:41.29 | ioerror | !info mpkg-j2se |
| 01:41.31 | dan2 | abrotman: I'll lose weight this week... |
| 01:41.33 | dpkg | mpkg-j2se: (A utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.10 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 57 kB |
| 01:41.37 | dan2 | abrotman: I can't eat anything solid |
| 01:41.42 | ioerror | !info mpkg-j2se testing |
| 01:41.45 | abrotman | gimbal: although .. with the portablilty of netbsd .. would have made more sense i guess |
| 01:41.46 | ioerror | !info mpkg-j2se sarge |
| 01:41.50 | dan2 | abrotman: its not in sarge because its really supposed to be in contrib |
| 01:42.02 | ioerror | abrotman, it's not in sarge |
| 01:42.07 | abrotman | ioerror: i see that |
| 01:42.10 | dan2 | abrotman: RC bug on it because it was placed in main instead of contrib |
| 01:42.12 | abrotman | dan2: so what does that mean? |
| 01:42.17 | abrotman | dan2: that's just fuckin dumb |
| 01:42.28 | abrotman | why is it in contrib? |
| 01:42.31 | abrotman | what's nonfree about it? |
| 01:42.34 | dan2 | abrotman: since mpkg-j2se depends on non-free software but is GPL, it can't be in main |
| 01:42.35 | Guerin | well... it does have a non-free dep, does it not? |
| 01:42.42 | karla | can I just mount /home on a different partition? meaning the one it was supposed to be |
| 01:42.44 | gimbal | abrotman: cool; been wary of getting vague on on any deb-related lists , might try an ask about it though; netbsd->portability > fbsd->portability ? |
| 01:42.50 | Guerin | karla: sure |
| 01:42.56 | abrotman | dan2: what nonfree software does it depend on? |
| 01:43.00 | jharrison | asg: ah I had you confused with abrotman |
| 01:43.08 | abrotman | jharrison: huh? |
| 01:43.12 | jharrison | hehe |
| 01:43.13 | asg | jharrison: though he liked guiness too |
| 01:43.17 | abrotman | gimbal: i think there is a debian-bsd mailing list |
| 01:43.19 | ioerror | abrotman, it faciliates use of non-free software... |
| 01:43.22 | ioerror | sigh |
| 01:43.24 | asg | s/n/nn/ |
| 01:43.31 | jharrison | asg: I asked him today and he said not |
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| 01:43.34 | jharrison | asg: I think |
| 01:43.40 | abrotman | guiness is ok .. im more of a wheat/lager/liquid alcohol/ kind of person |
| 01:43.49 | asg | jharrison: ah |
| 01:43.49 | jharrison | yeah see |
| 01:44.00 | abrotman | like .. hoegardeen |
| 01:44.02 | jharrison | whereas I think asg is guinness forever mate |
| 01:44.03 | jharrison | or something |
| 01:44.04 | asg | !punish crappy new dell laptop keyboards |
| 01:44.11 | gimbal | abrotman: yah; chanced across a debian.org project-page about it; will look into it; danke |
| 01:44.19 | abrotman | gimbal: np |
| 01:44.27 | abrotman | gimbal: btw .. there is an installer now i think |
| 01:44.31 | karla | allright I just tought it was kinda weird that the installer couldn't figure the partition where every part of the system was supposed to be |
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| 01:44.40 | abrotman | !debian freebsd |
| 01:44.40 | dpkg | i heard debian freebsd is at http://people.debian.org/~utsl/freebsd-i386/ |
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| 01:44.48 | ioerror | hmm, it doesn't seem to be in contrib either |
| 01:44.57 | ioerror | just unstable (which i suppose it's in unstable contrib) |
| 01:44.59 | abrotman | !gnu-kbsd |
| 01:44.59 | dpkg | well, gnu-kbsd is http://debian.org/ports/freebsd/ and http://jrac.hostrocket.com?page=gnukfreebsd |
| 01:45.04 | g4lt | asg what's this "new" part about, Dell keyboards have ALWAYS been crappy.... |
| 01:45.13 | abrotman | gimbal: /msg dpkg listkeys bsd ..... a few times |
| 01:45.13 | dan2 | gnu-kbsd is the port created by nyu/rmh |
| 01:45.19 | asg | g4lt: the one on the Latitude CPi's is great |
| 01:45.20 | Alogon | what does "RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory" mean? how do i find out what it is trying to get to? |
| 01:45.31 | ioerror | that's rather annoying, waht's the best way to install a JRE with sarge? |
| 01:45.35 | ioerror | and not kafe |
| 01:45.41 | abrotman | !debian bsd |
| 01:45.41 | dpkg | methinks debian bsd is a port of Debian to the FreeBSD and NetBSD kernels, using either a native BSD C library or Glibc. See http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd and http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/, or ask me about debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 01:45.43 | abrotman | there we go |
| 01:45.48 | asg | ioerror: for me, just download sun's jre/jdk and stuff it in /usr/local |
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| 01:45.50 | gimbal | abrotman: fwiw, the url in dpkg'sresopnse about freebsd - the url is out-of-date |
| 01:45.56 | abrotman | gimbal: look .. there may be a netbsd port |
| 01:45.57 | ioerror | asg, that's so dirty :-( |
| 01:46.04 | nvz | I am hearing from time to time sputtering sounds over sounds on my system.. not sure what the deal is |
| 01:46.08 | asg | ioerror: so is Java, hence it belongs in /usr/local :) |
| 01:46.08 | gimbal | or just nfunctional |
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| 01:46.17 | ioerror | asg, but i want my .deb :-( |
| 01:46.27 | dan2 | asg: no, java should belong in /opt |
| 01:46.27 | abrotman | gimbal: there is both netbsd and freebsd ports |
| 01:46.32 | ioerror | asg, installing anything other than .debs makes me annoyed |
| 01:46.36 | abrotman | gimbal: http://www.nl.debian.org/ports/ |
| 01:46.37 | abrotman | at the bottom |
| 01:46.37 | ioerror | dan2, better file some bugs then |
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| 01:46.44 | asg | dan2: only on gentoo |
| 01:46.51 | ioerror | dan2, because it doens't get installed there with any of the packages i have seen |
| 01:47.01 | karla | is there a way to see the space of every partition in human readable units? |
| 01:47.03 | dan2 | asg: fhs specifies non-free software or software packages in /opt |
| 01:47.08 | abrotman | df -h |
| 01:47.14 | asg | ioerror: me too but I'd rather use debian as a base if I have work requirements instead of something that provides a packaged solution |
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| 01:47.20 | karla | if they're not mounted i mean |
| 01:47.24 | asg | dan2: really, I didn't know that. |
| 01:47.38 | ioerror | dan2, really? |
| 01:47.38 | abrotman | karla: maybe fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 01:47.39 | nvz | its about annoying as hell whatever it may be |
| 01:47.44 | dan2 | ioerror: pretty damn sure |
| 01:47.58 | r0 | apt-get update && apt-get remove * |
| 01:48.08 | r0 | Yes, do as I say! |
| 01:48.16 | abrotman | r0: you're back again? |
| 01:48.22 | abrotman | god damn it |
| 01:48.24 | asg | dan2: ln -s /usr/local/sun /opt/sun :) |
| 01:48.29 | ioerror | dan2, that seems strange |
| 01:48.40 | abrotman | asg: you mean /opt/crap ? |
| 01:48.53 | dan2 | asg: my isp dns servers are slow as shit, I think they are getting dosd |
| 01:48.53 | karla | hhmm nope, it gives me the same Blocks abrot |
| 01:48.53 | asg | abrotman: /opt/VBScript |
| 01:49.01 | dan2 | asg: I have never seen times from them at 1400ms |
| 01:49.01 | gimbal | abrotman: heh, my bookmark was actually about debian "gnu/netbsd", thought it was fbsd ... not sure if dpkg would want to know, but for freebsd http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/ and for netbsd http://www.debian.org/ports/netbsd/ might not be so often-wanted, but thar hehe |
| 01:49.13 | dan2 | asg: generally, its like 20 ms |
| 01:49.19 | abrotman | !tell gimbal about debian bsd |
| 01:49.26 | kerpal23 | Anyone here got a HUGE pipe? |
| 01:49.33 | kingsley | It seems to me that the job of grouping files into filesets that will each fit onto a medium, such as tape, CD or DVD, is a common enough job that clever unix programmers should have provided a utility to do it a long time ago. |
| 01:49.33 | asg | kerpal23: yes |
| 01:49.33 | ioerror | kerpal23, for what? |
| 01:49.43 | gimbal | abrotman: ahah, cool |
| 01:49.44 | abrotman | kerpal23: yeah .. steel stuff for streams |
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| 01:49.55 | kerpal23 | asg can I speed test with you, i wanna know this managed servers upload, im guessing download 8mbs/sec |
| 01:50.13 | dan2 | asg: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES |
| 01:50.24 | ioerror | anyone install helix player in debian sarge? |
| 01:50.29 | dan2 | asg: btw, I started picking up texinfo, I love it |
| 01:50.33 | abrotman | !helix player |
| 01:50.36 | abrotman | !helixplayer |
| 01:50.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, helixplayer is https://player.helixcommunity.org/2004/unix/ |
| 01:50.43 | abrotman | oh .. noone ever updated it |
| 01:51.02 | ioerror | ha |
| 01:51.02 | ioerror | that's damn funny |
| 01:51.08 | abrotman | why is it funny? |
| 01:51.12 | abrotman | it was corrrect at one time |
| 01:51.15 | fds | kingsley: I have a program called "chunk" that breaks a big file into lots of 1.44mb (or whatever sized) chunks, so you can tar -cf - /stuff | gzip -c - | chunk and get lots of little files of just the right size. You want it? |
| 01:51.19 | ioerror | THE BOT IS WRONG, THE BOT IS WRONG. All hell must now break loose! |
| 01:51.24 | helix | I feel trolled |
| 01:51.25 | ioerror | that's why it's funny abrotman :-) |
| 01:51.32 | abrotman | helix: sorry |
| 01:51.42 | gimbal | gnu/netbsd just sounds so wrong ... |
| 01:51.43 | ioerror | helix, you totally should, real screwed you, so did watson and crick! |
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| 01:51.58 | kingsley | fds: Thanks for asking. |
| 01:52.12 | abrotman | ioerror: would you like it updated? |
| 01:52.19 | abrotman | gimbal: tell rms |
| 01:52.31 | abrotman | ioerror: how is that url wrong? |
| 01:52.43 | dan2 | where the hell did asg go |
| 01:52.50 | kingsley | fds: It turns out that I need a program that breaks a big *filesystem* into groups of files that are each as big as a DVD (4.3G). |
| 01:52.55 | abrotman | netsplit? |
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| 01:52.59 | dan2 | hmm |
| 01:53.08 | abrotman | dan2: he's got a wife .. you know the rules about away messages |
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| 01:53.42 | ioerror | abrotman, is it perfered to install helix as an .rpm thats been converted to a .deb/ |
| 01:53.47 | ioerror | or as the installer? |
| 01:53.49 | dan2 | abrotman: mm, did you check out this gogurt like pudding now |
| 01:53.57 | abrotman | no |
| 01:53.57 | peterS | dan2: gogurt? |
| 01:54.02 | dan2 | abrotman: chips ahoy and oreo flavors are the best |
| 01:54.05 | abrotman | ioerror: up to you .. it is one way |
| 01:54.12 | dan2 | peterS: gogurt is pudding in a stick really |
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| 01:54.17 | peterS | dan2: ahh |
| 01:54.20 | abrotman | dan2: that sounds .. so disgusting .. but is there a raw cookie dough flavor? |
| 01:54.21 | peterS | never heard of it |
| 01:54.27 | dan2 | peterS: s/pudding/yogurt/ |
| 01:54.28 | abrotman | !gogurt |
| 01:54.32 | peterS | abrotman: all about the raw eggs, eh? |
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| 01:54.44 | dan2 | abrotman: dunno, chips ahoy is good |
| 01:54.46 | r0 | !dan2 |
| 01:54.46 | dpkg | hmm... dan2 is like pudding in the pants. |
| 01:54.47 | abrotman | peterS: i've had worse i suppose |
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| 01:54.52 | ioerror | !ioerror |
| 01:54.55 | abrotman | r0: what the hell is wrong iwth you |
| 01:54.59 | dan2 | !forget dan2 |
| 01:54.59 | dpkg | dan2: i forgot dan2 |
| 01:55.04 | dan2 | !lock dan2 |
| 01:55.10 | peterS | if only it were that simple |
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| 01:55.18 | dan2 | asg! |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | asg: dan2 was crying |
| 01:55.25 | asg | dan2: fucking isp |
| 01:55.28 | pixelmonkey | Does anyone here know how one could use imwheel or any other tool to make a button of my 5-button mouse work as a "double-click button"? |
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| 01:55.31 | abrotman | not bad for an athlete |
| 01:55.36 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
| 01:55.37 | asg | !tell root_ about root |
| 01:55.39 | dan2 | abrotman: actually I was about to complain where the fuck my spec was |
| 01:55.40 | fds | kingsley: so something like: tar --one-file-system -czf | chunk --size 640000 |
