| 00:00.02 | bob2 | and don't do stupid shit like deleting files you don't understand |
| 00:00.08 | bob2 | Mabui: do it as root |
| 00:00.08 | rox | TheBlueWizard: how do you start X? |
| 00:00.21 | TheBlueWizard | rox: I typed 'startxfce' |
| 00:00.29 | Mabui | All I can see as root is where to put roots directories bob2 |
| 00:00.32 | r02 | xfce is not x |
| 00:00.43 | bob2 | Mabui: huh? log in as root. |
| 00:00.46 | rox | TheBlueWizard: startxfce4 should get you rightinto xfce |
| 00:00.46 | KRONOS | root@TIGS:/home/kronos# echo export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/sbin/:/usr/sbin:/sbin > ~/.bash_profile |
| 00:00.46 | KRONOS | root@TIGS:/home/kronos# deluser |
| 00:00.46 | KRONOS | bash: deluser: command not found |
| 00:00.57 | bob2 | KRONOS: a)s top pasting like an idiot |
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| 00:01.06 | bob2 | KRONOS: b) . ~/.bash_profile |
| 00:01.17 | r02 | TheBlueWizard, xfce is a window manager on top of x |
| 00:01.20 | TheBlueWizard | there is no startxfce4 (cuz I'm running woody) |
| 00:01.21 | rox | KRONOS: paste in #flood |
| 00:01.28 | KRONOS | k |
| 00:01.29 | Mabui | I've been doign it through the control center, but there wasn't any sort of way to switch which users. |
| 00:01.41 | bob2 | Mabui: "control center"? |
| 00:01.42 | rox | TheBlueWizard: oh .. then you got xfce3 ... that's no good realy |
| 00:01.46 | bob2 | Mabui: you mean a file manager? |
| 00:01.52 | r02 | he means kde |
| 00:01.56 | bob2 | god. |
| 00:02.02 | Mabui | Yeah, kde.. |
| 00:02.03 | bob2 | #debian-kde then |
| 00:02.04 | rox | TheBlueWizard: sory to tell you this, but xfce3 cannot compare to xfce4 by far |
| 00:02.20 | Mardus | Debian Installer: "LILO Limitations" -- the BIOS of the old (target) computer is of a 1994-1995 release (possibly 1996; CPU is Pentium100). I'm not certain that it supports the int 0x13 large disk access extensions (the HDD is ~2Gb). Thus -- Should I partition the hard drive however I like (or however it will come out in the process) or should I make something specific? |
| 00:02.31 | r02 | rox, has it improved that much? |
| 00:02.42 | rox | TheBlueWizard: the difference is much greater then ... say .. between gnome 1 and 2 |
| 00:02.51 | bob2 | Mabui: it will almost certainly be fine |
| 00:03.06 | nvz | I modified nickcolor.pl to take in consideration debian ops, and regulars and everyone else is colorless, makes chat much easier to sort out. |
| 00:03.07 | rox | r02: yeah, xfce nowadays realy rocks ... alll the features one ever needs and still lightweight |
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| 00:03.33 | TheBlueWizard | I just want to get X Windows up and running, instead of junping into sarge (cuz of dialup bandwidth) |
| 00:03.44 | citral | nvz: practic, there's no op on #debian. so everyone is colorless. |
| 00:03.44 | r02 | rox, hrm.. i'm still using gnome because i prefer a desktop environment.. |
| 00:04.02 | rox | TheBlueWizard: i know ... poor you |
| 00:04.18 | nvz | citral: well its hard-coded I entered them manually for now, I know who the ops are, like bob2 is red cause he;s the only one talking with a color |
| 00:04.25 | rich_ | nvz wheres the .diffs? |
| 00:04.29 | rox | TheBlueWizard: once you get near a broadband link, connect your box and upgrade |
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| 00:04.54 | rox | r02: hmm ... well, i guess some people can't do without desktop icons |
| 00:05.00 | nvz | rich_: I havent actually made it yet, its just to see if it would be useful, I assigned them manually, I figure I can have it look at debstats though and do it automatically |
| 00:05.02 | TheBlueWizard | don't have broadband (and it's expensive compared to dialup) |
| 00:05.10 | rox | r02: oh, wait, those are also available in xfce4 |
| 00:05.32 | rox | r02: xfce4 is a desktop environment |
| 00:05.32 | r02 | rox, really? i was just looking at the screenshots on the site, but those might be outdatted.. |
| 00:05.42 | TheBlueWizard | if I get a new job (hate my current job), and get a new house, then I'd go for broadband |
| 00:05.42 | plugwash | thebluewizard change your sources.list to sarge and apt-get install x-windows-system |
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| 00:05.45 | r02 | rox, no, xfce is a window manager |
| 00:05.46 | bob2 | TheBlueWizard: does X support your card? |
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| 00:05.52 | rox | r02: not many people use them though |
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| 00:06.05 | TheBlueWizard | plugwash: I'm on a dialup |
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| 00:06.18 | citral | TheBlueWizard: what is your favorite meal ? |
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| 00:06.48 | Mardus | Will it be necessary to repeat a question if I don't ge any answers? |
| 00:06.49 | TheBlueWizard | citral: huh? tacos are certainly a fave |
| 00:06.50 | Mardus | * get |
| 00:06.51 | rox | r02: read what apt-cache show xfce tells you |
| 00:06.55 | plugwash | TheBlueWizard true but that doesn't stop you installing the x-windows-system from sarge |
| 00:07.00 | r02 | rox, sorry, im thinking of flux, you are right |
| 00:07.05 | plugwash | just means it might take a while |
| 00:07.06 | odc | Hi, uhh - I just did an apt-update/apt-upgrade and i upgraded libkrb and samba3(backports) and now it doesn't work |
| 00:07.08 | r02 | rox, xfce is the cde clone.. |
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| 00:07.20 | TheBlueWizard | plugwash: yeah...I will do that on weekend |
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| 00:07.27 | Noid | odc: upgrade to what? |
| 00:07.28 | odc | does anybody know what happened with the krb packages ? |
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| 00:07.37 | rox | r02: xfce has a lot more functionality then *box .. those are merely window managers |
| 00:07.46 | odc | Noid: the latest iguess, whatever apt found |
| 00:07.48 | nvz | the idea is to have it generate log statistics and color the nicks, but I just used piggy's data for now seems like its worth playing around with |
| 00:07.55 | Noid | odc: is it sid? |
| 00:07.59 | odc | no its woody |
| 00:08.02 | citral | rox: it's all about taste. |
| 00:08.07 | odc | it was working perfectly before |
| 00:08.16 | odc | kerberos(woody) auth with samba 3 from backports |
| 00:08.18 | rox | citral: that's true |
| 00:08.20 | r02 | rox, well, the site doesn't say what version the screenshots are from.. |
| 00:08.30 | odc | same thing, but now its broken -- keep getting a failed to verify incoming ticket |
| 00:08.35 | r02 | rox, i think i will get me a copy with apt though 8) |
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| 00:08.52 | Noid | odc: maybe check the bts? |
| 00:08.57 | odc | bts ? |
| 00:08.58 | rox | citral: some people do with their desktops as minimalistic as ion for example |
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| 00:09.12 | Noid | !tell odc about bts |
| 00:09.16 | rox | r02: what brach are you running? |
| 00:09.23 | rox | r02: branch |
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| 00:09.26 | murd0ch_ | wtf.. sarge floppys did not find my FA511 nic :( |
| 00:09.29 | odc | ugh |
| 00:09.36 | r02 | rox, my apt sources? |
| 00:09.38 | odc | is there anyway to retrograde back ? |
| 00:09.46 | odc | like, apt-undo or something |
| 00:09.49 | rox | r02: stable, testing or unstable |
| 00:09.53 | bob2 | murd0ch_: #debian-boot |
| 00:09.53 | r02 | rox, sid |
| 00:10.04 | citral | !quote "is there anyway to retrograde back ?" |
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| 00:10.05 | rich_ | Some people like computers for the gui, some use them for the apps. |
| 00:10.06 | dpkg | IS: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A 3:47am, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; THERE: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A 3:47am, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; ANYWAY: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; TO: 6.10 (6.10/6.10), 9/1/2004 3:23pm, Opened 6.10, Volume 500, Change -0.04 ;; RETROGRADE: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; BACK: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/A, Volume 0, Change N/A ;; ?: 0.00 (N/A/N/A), N/A N/A, Opened N/ |
| 00:10.13 | Noid | odc: i believe you can do it by changing the preferences file, but it's potentially dangerous |
| 00:10.16 | thomas_adam | citral: Errr, what? |
| 00:10.17 | rox | r02: well, then trying xfce will be a nice experience for you |
| 00:10.21 | croepha|home | apt should be P2P like bit torrent |
| 00:10.22 | apt | croepha|home: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:10.26 | abrotman | wtf is that? |
| 00:10.26 | odc | Noid: well that's just great, anybody else ? |
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| 00:10.28 | odc | damnit |
| 00:10.33 | odc | why did i hav eto fucking update |
| 00:10.37 | r02 | rox, ok, i'll get back to you 8) i am on dsl so it won't take long |
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| 00:10.50 | abrotman | like jigdo? |
| 00:10.54 | J_1 | people, i have two PCI network cards (realtek 8139). two cards are in IRQ 11, how i do for change irq my first card to IRQ 12 for example ? |
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| 00:11.14 | rox | r02: erm .. make sure you install recomended and suggested packages too |
| 00:11.16 | Mardus | In my installation about Debian, I am at crossroads (again) -- the HDD is ~2 Gb in size, but the target computer's BIOS is of a 1994-1996 make, which means that it might not support the int 0x13 large disk access extensions. Will I have to continue 'just like that' or are there any strings attached? |
| 00:11.16 | croepha|home | abrotman, is jigdo P2P? |
| 00:11.32 | Mardus | Because I need to partition a hard drive. |
| 00:11.37 | abrotman | maybe :) |
| 00:11.47 | jetscreamer | flash it |
| 00:11.51 | id_ | How far is the x86_64 (Opteron) support in debian ? - is anyone here using a mixed 32/64 Bit setup ? |
| 00:11.58 | abrotman | croepha|home: i don't think that would make it better |
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| 00:12.22 | bob2 | murd0ch: as I said earlier, it will almost certainly be fine |
| 00:12.25 | r02 | rox, well, you see, i will soon be sharing my computer with someone else, so is xfce a good option (the other person is n00bish) |
| 00:12.29 | bob2 | id_: the only supported way to mxi is with a chroot |
| 00:12.43 | r02 | rox, i mean, can you configure easy panels and such? |
| 00:12.54 | croepha|home | abrotman, not on the internet, but think about how much it would make getting packages faster is people iwthin your LAN hace allready donwloaded it |
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| 00:13.00 | rox | r02: well, depends on what you want to do with them ... |
| 00:13.16 | RoNiS | hi, i have 3 binary files that i have to put it together in one, how i can do it? |
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| 00:13.47 | citral | rox: you can't, I'm afraid. |
| 00:13.53 | r02 | rox 0.o i already have it |
| 00:13.59 | Noid | RoNiS: tar? |
| 00:14.02 | rox | r02: i configured my main panel to show me desktop switcher and a few buttons for most frequently run apps .. then i got the top panel that contains system teay and tasks |
| 00:14.05 | id_ | bob2 i want to use vserver (thats using chroot) - so i hope i am on the safe side |
| 00:14.07 | odc | does anybody else know how to undo a apt-upgrade |
| 00:14.07 | citral | I meant RoNiS |
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| 00:14.17 | valentinaina | I'm connected to a remote computer via Telnet... how can I listen mp3s on that computer or copy files from the remote pc to my pc? |
| 00:14.39 | bob2 | odc: you can't |
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| 00:14.45 | odc | FUCK |
| 00:14.48 | bob2 | RoNiS: cat file1 file2 file3 > put_together_file |
| 00:14.51 | ningo | error: 'Access denied for user: 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' (Using password: YES)' |
| 00:14.52 | rox | r02: basically forpanel configuration you do everything with right click context menus .. try it out .... |
| 00:14.56 | bob2 | id_: why do you want to mix? |
| 00:14.59 | dan2 | asg~ |
| 00:15.01 | odc | so what are you supposed to do when something breaks ? |
| 00:15.03 | bob2 | valentinaina: don't use telnet |
| 00:15.13 | bob2 | odc: you fix it |
| 00:15.13 | bob2 | odc: or you don't run sid |
| 00:15.13 | RoNiS | bob2: hum ok, but it will put in this order? the final file must be binary |
| 00:15.15 | odc | I'M NOT RUNNING SID |
| 00:15.17 | abrotman | bob2: on windows .. i always reinstalled :) |
| 00:15.17 | valentinaina | bob2 why? |
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| 00:15.23 | rox | r02: and for maximum effect, configure yourself a set of shorthand keys |
| 00:15.25 | bob2 | odc: WHAT R U RUNN1NG? |
| 00:15.30 | bob2 | RoNiS: yes. |
| 00:15.30 | ningo | any possibilitys to recover the debian-sys-maint user? |
| 00:15.32 | citral | RoNiS: you cannot do that. |
| 00:15.37 | RoNiS | citral: why? |
| 00:15.41 | bob2 | valentinaina: because it's a bad habit |
| 00:15.47 | abrotman | bob2: is it sunday where you are? |
| 00:15.54 | bob2 | valentinaina: and tyou can't copy fileas, you have to use rcp or scp or sftp or rsync |
| 00:15.56 | odc | FUCK why do they have to fuck around witht he krb libs, goddamnit |
| 00:15.56 | dan2 | abrotman: I think I have become addicted to codeine |
| 00:16.02 | rox | r02: once you got all the stuff on keyboard shortcuts tailored to suit your taste, then you'r realy going as you should |
| 00:16.04 | jetscreamer | you can't copy fleas |
| 00:16.12 | odc | FUCK, nobody knows about the krb5 lib updates ? |
| 00:16.12 | abrotman | dan2: well .. good .. but that is a wierd drug to get addicted to |
| 00:16.13 | Noid | RoNiS: you can put them together, but the result won't be an executable file, you know that, don't you? |
| 00:16.14 | valentinaina | bob2 : is telnet a bad habit? i thought it was almost an standar |
| 00:16.14 | bob2 | valentinaina: just running cplay or mpg321 or whatever will play music on the remote machine |
| 00:16.23 | dan2 | abrotman: apparently its common |
| 00:16.25 | bob2 | valentinaina: no. use ssh. |
| 00:16.25 | dan2 | abrotman: ;) |
| 00:16.28 | RoNiS | Noid: it is a ISO file |
| 00:16.29 | citral | RoNiS: because binaries cannot be mixed, they are executables |
| 00:16.35 | dan2 | abrotman: I feel stoned right now |
| 00:16.37 | bob2 | odc: if you're not running sid, what are you running? |
| 00:16.37 | abrotman | odc: in woody? |
| 00:16.45 | valentinaina | bob2 : if I play a mp3 on the remote machine, it will listen on my local pc? |
| 00:16.47 | odc | abrotman: yes |
| 00:16.49 | RoNiS | Noid: that somebody broken into 3 pieces |
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| 00:16.52 | bob2 | valentinaina: no |
| 00:16.54 | abrotman | dan2: i got hooked on morphine while i was in the hospital |
| 00:16.55 | id_ | bob2 in case of a missing package - just to be sure - can you please point me to the right place for a netinstall image for amd64 arch ? |
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| 00:16.59 | Mardus | I guess I'll have to go forward on mu own again... |
| 00:16.59 | abrotman | odc: you checked bts? |
| 00:17.00 | citral | valentinaina: you need a sound server |
| 00:17.02 | Mardus | * my |
| 00:17.05 | valentinaina | oh |
| 00:17.05 | bob2 | id_: #debian-amd64 would know |
| 00:17.07 | dan2 | abrotman: codeine is derived from morphine |
| 00:17.08 | valentinaina | damn |
| 00:17.12 | id_ | nice =) |
| 00:17.14 | bob2 | Mardus: I've told you twice noe |
| 00:17.18 | abrotman | dan2: i know my drugs :) |
| 00:17.22 | dan2 | abrotman: and I understand why, people LOVE morphine |
| 00:17.23 | Mardus | bob2: I didn't 'hear' |
| 00:17.24 | Noid | RoNiS: if the 3 pieces together are an ISO, then cat file1 file2 file3 > fullfile, as you've been told |
| 00:17.29 | bob2 | Mardus: then "read" |
| 00:17.35 | bob2 | Mardus: it will almost certainly be fine |
| 00:17.37 | abrotman | dan2: i didn't love it .. the withdrawl was a bitch .. |
| 00:17.38 | Mardus | Like 'scroll up'? |
| 00:17.38 | TheBlueWizard | Mardus: you can create a /boot partition (about 10 meg; be sure to have that listed as the first partition) so you can boot up that way w/o problem...I've done that on my 486 box |
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| 00:17.42 | bob2 | Mardus: worst comes to worst you can use a boot floppy |
| 00:17.45 | RoNiS | Noid: yes it is |
| 00:17.48 | abrotman | dan2: i threw stuff around the room(hospital room) |
| 00:17.54 | dan2 | haha |
| 00:17.57 | odc | does apt write a log somewhere |
| 00:18.02 | bob2 | odc: nope |
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| 00:18.13 | odc | jesus this is a nightmare |
| 00:18.14 | bob2 | odc: aptitude does tho |
| 00:18.15 | citral | valentinaina: btw icecast works good, you'll have a server on your remote pc abrotman and the client on your side. |
| 00:18.15 | murd0ch | bob2, Ill play some cs and do it later =) |
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| 00:18.22 | rox | citral: since you mentioned sound server, i was thinking about getting one too .. which one do yourecomend? |
| 00:18.26 | abrotman | odc: did you email the maintainer |
| 00:18.36 | abrotman | citral: what did i do with icecast? |
| 00:18.38 | bob2 | odc: why don't you actually explain your problem instead of whinging? |
| 00:18.40 | rox | murd0ch: you'r a CS fan too? |
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| 00:18.46 | PyroSteve | is there an opera channel on freenode ? |
| 00:18.46 | abrotman | whining even :)_ |
| 00:18.52 | citral | rox: I don't recommend anything, icecast is an example. |
| 00:18.59 | bob2 | PyroSteve: is opera free software? |
| 00:19.00 | rox | murd0ch: i nearly screwed up my flashy debian because i wanted to play CS |
| 00:19.07 | citral | abrotman: nothing sorry :) |
| 00:19.16 | dan2 | abrotman: I saw the funniest billboard today |
| 00:19.23 | odc | bob2: stick to stupid desktop shit, i've got some real work that needs to be fixed |
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| 00:19.27 | dan2 | abrotman: "Illiterate? Write for more information" |
| 00:19.35 | odc | list |
| 00:19.39 | rox | citral: oh, i was thinking sound server in the lines of esd and artsd and such |
| 00:19.40 | abrotman | dan2: take a picture |
| 00:19.48 | dan2 | abrotman: next time I go by I will |
| 00:19.58 | bob2 | odc: foad. |
| 00:20.12 | citral | rox: no, I'm speaking about playing mp3's on a remote machine. |
| 00:20.19 | valentinaina | citral |
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| 00:20.29 | citral | yes |
| 00:21.11 | WiFiTux | Does Mozilla have a volume control? |
| 00:21.22 | odc | do you need an account to file a bug report with bts ? |
| 00:21.23 | citral | WiFiTux: euh ? |
| 00:21.32 | bob2 | WiFiTux: no |
| 00:21.34 | bob2 | odc: no |
| 00:21.36 | citral | WiFiTux: you're joking ? |
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| 00:22.02 | WiFiTux | I'm doing a remove music playing with mozilla-plugin-vlc and plays at really low volume |
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| 00:22.10 | WiFiTux | s/remove/remote |
| 00:22.13 | Mardus | bob2: Even if you have addressed me (which in good faith you believe you have regarding my HDD partitioning question), then I am certainly not Mabui or Murd0ch. I was then specifically searching for answers that were addressed to me. |
| 00:22.15 | rox | citral: you can do that in a local network, if you remotely mount the /dev filesystem and have the sound apps use it |
| 00:22.29 | WiFiTux | citral, nah |
| 00:22.56 | WiFiTux | How about that!! |
| 00:23.05 | bob2 | Mardus: er, oops, my apologies |
| 00:23.21 | J_1 | is possible change IRQ number from my network card via linux ? |
| 00:23.27 | citral | nothing special, mozilla don't have a volume control. |
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| 00:23.34 | bob2 | J_1: why do you want to do that? |
| 00:23.43 | rox | can somebody please recomend me a sound server |
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| 00:23.52 | bob2 | they all suck |
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| 00:24.00 | bob2 | use alsa + dmix if your card is crap |
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| 00:24.15 | WiFiTux | rox, well I think that should be depending on your sound card |
| 00:24.30 | Mardus | bob2: I've forgiven you; I guess you are conferring with way more people at one time than I am. |
| 00:24.31 | rox | bob2: i tried esd a long time ago . it sucked back then |
| 00:24.59 | citral | rox: why do you say it sucked ? |
| 00:25.03 | WiFiTux | bob2, how can I check which one is my Sound Server? |
| 00:25.10 | rox | WiFiTux: it's a lame ass onboard card |
| 00:25.16 | bob2 | WiFiTux: kde = arts, gnome =esd |
| 00:25.20 | WiFiTux | rox, so, AC97? |
| 00:25.35 | mickfuzz | hi, sorry, if anyone answered my questions on mjpegtools and mplayer, I was disconnected |
| 00:25.42 | bob2 | alsa + dmix means libasound does the mixing, so you don't need a sound server |
| 00:25.44 | rox | citral: it didn't perform the way it should and i had a hard time getting programs to use it |
| 00:25.44 | mickfuzz | and missed them all |
| 00:25.45 | ptyprob | bob2, did you get the output of the mount? |
| 00:25.46 | ptyprob | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 00:25.48 | WiFiTux | yep, esd |
| 00:25.58 | ptyprob | none on /dev/pty type devpts (rw) |
| 00:26.01 | ptyprob | basicallyh |
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| 00:26.03 | ptyprob | those two |
| 00:26.09 | rox | WiFiTux: no, it's a sis chipset and the chip is intel something |
| 00:26.16 | ptyprob | and ....devfs on /dev type devfs (rw) |
| 00:26.30 | WiFiTux | rox, correct, Intel is a Intel ICH AC97. |
| 00:26.33 | ptyprob | thats it for the dev stuff. |
| 00:26.50 | bob2 | ptyprob: do not paste in here |
| 00:26.53 | WiFiTux | rox, what problem are you getting? |
| 00:26.53 | rox | WiFiTux: well, i know the module is not ac97 ... |
| 00:27.14 | ptyprob | bob2: i pasted in f flood too |
| 00:27.24 | bob2 | ptyprob: that's even stupider |
| 00:27.27 | rox | WiFiTux: the module is snd_intel8x0 |
| 00:27.33 | mickfuzz | does anyone know why mjpegtools and mplayer aren't in unstable please? |
| 00:27.37 | ptyprob | bob2: what is stupid about it? |
| 00:27.48 | WiFiTux | <*> Intel ICH (i8xx) audio support |
| 00:27.51 | [av]babyjesus | mickfuzz: because of their licenses. |
| 00:27.51 | bob2 | ptyprob: because I told you to not paste in here |
| 00:27.58 | bob2 | ptyprob: as does thw topic. and the guidelines. and the faq |
| 00:28.09 | WiFiTux | rox, anyway, what's the problem, when you boot sometimes comes up fine, some other does not? |
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| 00:28.21 | rox | WiFiTux: i don't have a problem, i just want to get rid of the stupid problem with locked devicefile every time i want to use an app that needs sound |
| 00:28.34 | ptyprob | ok. fine. i wont. now about devfs.... |
| 00:28.44 | ptyprob | did you see what i pasted (wherever i did) |
| 00:28.48 | bob2 | ptyprob: have you read any of the docs I pointed you at yet? |
| 00:28.49 | rox | WiFiTux: i don't have a problem realy, i just thought it might be time to try out a sound server once again |
| 00:29.02 | ptyprob | yes. i have. |
| 00:29.07 | rox | WiFiTux: i never said i had a problem |
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| 00:29.34 | WiFiTux | rox, ohh ok, I did have one with this cards... Suck big time... dunno how got fixed! :/ |
| 00:30.05 | TheBlueWizard | gotta go...thx for help...bye |
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| 00:30.22 | WiFiTux | Is someone here aware of a 3D Distro, something maybe done in Java or something... |
| 00:30.27 | Noid | hahaha nice quit line: "Linux, the OS that everybody love but few actually use" |
| 00:30.30 | rox | WiFiTux: i know it sucks, i didn't buy it for music .. but for stupid PC sounds it should be OK |
| 00:30.36 | Noid | s/love/loves |
| 00:30.38 | WiFiTux | ok |
| 00:30.38 | mickfuzz | well, is there a replacement for mplayer in Debian that everyone uses instead? |
| 00:30.49 | WiFiTux | mickfuzz, xmms? |
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| 00:31.08 | baronsamedi | mickfuzz, there are ways of getting mplayer on debian :) |
| 00:31.28 | rich_ | mickfuzz mplayer isnt that hard to install but try xine |
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| 00:31.50 | StormShaman | seriously, mplayer is better than xine for most things |
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| 00:31.52 | baronsamedi | with rather a lot of success after some config editing here too. rich_: i've always had trouble with xine/totem etc., never play video as fast as I know this comp can |
| 00:31.54 | StormShaman | faster, too |
| 00:32.01 | mickfuzz | WiFiTux: thanks |
| 00:32.05 | Mabui | /dev/hda5 /mnt/hda5 ext3 noauto,users,exec 0 0 is how my partition is currently set, I want to know how to set it so all users can access/create/alter files for it. as they currently cannot. |
| 00:32.27 | WiFiTux | mickfuzz, for music of course. Else xine or gxine... |
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| 00:33.00 | baronsamedi | mickfuzz: add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main" or replace testing with stable/unstable depending. |
| 00:33.06 | rich_ | baronsamedi Im on a laptop and I found that I needed the xvidix driver for my videa card and an xfs filesystem to make it fast enough. But it works |
| 00:33.16 | WiFiTux | ok, peace out! |
| 00:33.18 | baronsamedi | i'm on a laptop too :) |
| 00:33.20 | StormShaman | I have a friend who is frustrated with windows 98 because it has security issues and crashes a lot. would debian be a good choice for him? |
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| 00:33.45 | scorphus | hello ppl |
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| 00:33.55 | StormShaman | wait brb |
| 00:34.01 | scorphus | what can I use to recover deleted files on an ext3 partition |
| 00:34.02 | baronsamedi | mickfuzz: then "apt-get update" and pick your mplayer package with "apt-get install" or aptitude or whatever |
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| 00:34.12 | z36ra | how do you get alsa to work with audigy? |
| 00:34.22 | z36ra | i need sound |
| 00:34.38 | ptyprob | bob2? |
| 00:34.41 | iAPX286 | z36ra: google ? |
| 00:34.46 | ugly | z36ra: alsa-project.org - go to the ALSA Soundcard Matrix and find your card, then click "details" for instructions |
| 00:34.53 | z36ra | yeah Ive heard of google |
| 00:34.55 | mickfuzz | baronsamedi: whats that a repository for? |
| 00:35.08 | baronsamedi | mickfuzz: it's a repository of mplayer builds for debian :D |
| 00:35.12 | z36ra | isnt that 10 to the 100th power |
| 00:35.14 | z36ra | ? |
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| 00:35.43 | StormShaman | is debian a good distro for first-timers? or should i get mandrake for my friend? i'm satisfied with debian so far, although i still need to install some things |
| 00:36.01 | StormShaman | But then, he knows less than me about computers. |
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| 00:36.14 | z36ra | that suggestion comes from a guy without an Audigy |
| 00:36.57 | Noid | StormShaman: why choose without trying? let him try and then decide |
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| 00:37.25 | rich_ | StormShaman Im not sure there is any dist suitable for beginers. It used to be that slackware forced people to learn, but most people thought it was more than they wanted to know. The only teaching kernel left is minix and even it has recently split, into a more advanced version |
| 00:38.03 | iAPX286 | minix sucks |
| 00:38.16 | rich_ | iAPX286 Thats what students need. |
| 00:38.20 | baronsamedi | kept quiet 'till the opportunity to troll there iAPX286? :) |
| 00:38.21 | iAPX286 | having memory subsystem as kernel module is stupid |
| 00:38.34 | baronsamedi | and tell that to the hurd guys |
| 00:38.35 | ugly | StormShaman: unless the guy is determined to switch to linux AND is willing to read, it may not be a good idea for him |
| 00:38.43 | StormShaman | Noid, he is in high school and would like to browse around as little as possible |
| 00:39.05 | scorphus | hoe can I recover filesdir that were acidentally deleted? |
| 00:39.09 | baronsamedi | StormShaman, try debian or (ick) fedora. Know a guy that used fedora as his first distro with some success (not with my advice) |
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| 00:39.16 | baronsamedi | now all I have to do is get him off it... |
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| 00:39.25 | ugly | StormShaman: tried switching 2 friends to Debian - one is dependant on me for help, the other just gave up (I handheld the former, instructed the latter to use google, etc.) |
| 00:39.35 | StormShaman | no fedora is really unstable nowdays i hear |
| 00:39.40 | ugly | if I died, the former friend would likely install XP |
| 00:39.46 | z36ra | notice a lot of Fedora folk come here |
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| 00:40.06 | qbit_ | anyone have a sources.list for debian 3.1 that includes mplayer? |
| 00:40.09 | StormShaman | i would have gotten him redhat back when they made it |
| 00:40.13 | jetscreamer | !marrilat |
| 00:40.19 | Fulcrum99 | How much overhead does SSL incur for most protocols? (And in a similar vein, is there any decent reason to be using the encrypted version of a protocol on the loopback interface?) |
| 00:40.27 | jetscreamer | !mplayer |
| 00:40.27 | dpkg | methinks mplayer is at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ , or for debian packages, see http://hpisi.nerim.net/, or the url for debian packages moved to ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/; as for why mplayer isn't in debian, ask me about <mplayer license> |
| 00:40.29 | StormShaman | hey yeah i've noticed there is no mplayer in aptitude what's with that? |
| 00:40.29 | mickfuzz | baronsamedi: thanks for that its downloading now |
| 00:40.35 | Noid | StormShaman: well, i started with debian and had no previous linux expertise, though i felt comfty messing around |
| 00:40.42 | qbit_ | nice |
| 00:40.43 | qbit_ | fanks |
| 00:40.44 | rich_ | StormShaman licensing issues. |
| 00:40.48 | baronsamedi | mickfuzz: np's, you'll _have_ to edit the config file by hand |
| 00:40.52 | StormShaman | rich_, OK |
| 00:40.59 | stew | StormShaman: /msg dpkg mplayer license |
| 00:41.10 | hex|sleep | !tell StormShaman about mplayer |
| 00:41.13 | jetscreamer | oh god |
| 00:41.13 | baronsamedi | i've got vo=sdl, ao=esd, zoom=yes and some other changes. it'll probably be different for you (/etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf) |
| 00:41.17 | stew | StormShaman: but you can get it from marillat: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 00:41.19 | jetscreamer | where's mwilson when you need him |
| 00:41.26 | StormShaman | hex|sleep, i just saw that message above |
| 00:41.30 | pulu | does anyone know of a simple honeypot setup? I've got someone using zombie machines to try and guess pop passwords, I'd like to redirect the traffic to another ip that i can let them get in on and see if we can get enough information to take it to the fbi |
| 00:41.33 | z36ra | so no audigy suggestions? |
| 00:41.43 | jetscreamer | emu10k1 |
| 00:41.45 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 00:41.54 | z36ra | [besides Google] |
| 00:41.59 | pulu | basically soemthing that will let their password guesser win and then let them in to wander around |
| 00:42.01 | ugly | z36ra: why did you not go to the link I pasted |
| 00:42.03 | z36ra | and emu10k1 |
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| 00:42.23 | baronsamedi | pulu: i'd look up some docs if you were doing that |
| 00:42.23 | z36ra | ugly: I missed it |
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| 00:42.30 | jetscreamer | OH HEY THIS IS A FIRST I USED D-I AND ALSA 'JUST WORKED'(TM) |
| 00:42.38 | ugly | 20:34 <ugly> z36ra: alsa-project.org - go to the ALSA Soundcard Matrix and find your card, then click "details" for instructions |
| 00:42.41 | hex|sleep | !caps |
| 00:42.41 | dpkg | [caps] don't type all caps words at all. use _* to _emphasize_ them. |
| 00:42.42 | baronsamedi | you'd really want it to have no physical connection to the rest of your network, and setup routing veeryy carefully from your firewall to it |
| 00:42.44 | jetscreamer | forgive the excitement |
| 00:42.51 | z36ra | I love links |
| 00:43.08 | hex|sleep | jetscreamer, who exactly owns that trademark? |
| 00:43.09 | StormShaman | hyperlinks or the browser links? |
| 00:43.14 | jetscreamer | me |
| 00:43.17 | z36ra | ugly: I have been there |
| 00:43.20 | jetscreamer | i registered it |
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| 00:43.32 | StormShaman | i think `just works' is trademark of slackware... |
| 00:43.40 | stew | pulu: its probably way more trouble than its worth. the fbi probably isn't gonna touch it because the zombies are probably in .hk or .ro or something |
| 00:43.40 | StormShaman | they sure use it as if it is |
| 00:43.51 | ugly | z36ra: ... and? |
| 00:44.06 | pulu | they're all in china |
| 00:44.08 | z36ra | ugly: and i still have no sound. |
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| 00:44.34 | z36ra | ugly: I even tried compiling the driver. |
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| 00:44.37 | pulu | but we have an idea who's running them, and he's definately in the us |
| 00:44.44 | pulu | (btw, we're not) |
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| 00:45.00 | ugly | z36ra: so the modules are loaded? you've checked in 'lsmod'? |
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| 00:45.19 | scarynetworkguy | pulu: how much has he cost you? |
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| 00:45.56 | pulu | nothing, he'll never get into the system he's trying... but there are political implications... I can't really say much more |
| 00:46.07 | z36ra | ugly: emu10k1 is there. |
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| 00:46.19 | ugly | z36ra: sound is muted by default - have you run alsamixer to adjust the volume? |
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| 00:46.28 | scarynetworkguy | pulu: in that case law enforement could give a fuck. |
| 00:46.40 | jetscreamer | whoa this rocks |
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| 00:46.42 | rugliaf | Hi, anyone know of a text based AIM client? |
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| 00:47.18 | ugly | rugliaf: pork is one - http://ojnk.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:47.35 | jetscreamer | !info tinyhoneypot |
| 00:47.38 | pulu | i can write up a quick python program to let him in, just checking if there's anything basic other than that... but I think I'll just write my program and wait for it to "guess" the right password and change it on another machine and use that honeywall cdrom |
| 00:47.41 | dpkg | tinyhoneypot: (Small honeypot to trap attackers), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.4.6-6 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 296 kB |
| 00:47.44 | stew | rugliaf: naim is one, but i switched to bitlbee recently which i like much better, it is an irc to aim gateway |
| 00:47.59 | rapha3l | re, i'm trying to config a 2.4.27 kernel, and i can't get the mouse working i don' t know why ... someone could help me ? :D |
| 00:48.03 | pulu | dpkg: perfect |
| 00:48.03 | dpkg | There is no such thing as absolute perfection. Perfection is completely subjective. [with the possible exception of Debian.] See Debian. |
| 00:48.10 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 00:48.13 | rich_ | rapha3l usb? |
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| 00:48.17 | rapha3l | yup |
| 00:48.17 | rox | rugliaf: centericq - A text-mode multi-protocol instant messenger client |
| 00:48.27 | mickfuzz | baronsamedi: nerim.net says 'no such file or directory' for blah/blah/blah/packages.gz when trying to apt-get update |
| 00:48.28 | rapha3l | cat /dev/input/mice gives nothing :\ |
| 00:48.35 | mboso | how do you remove a font from the X11 font path without rebooting? |
| 00:48.44 | mboso | i mean restarting X |
| 00:48.55 | mboso | i use to do it, but i can't remember which command it was |
| 00:48.57 | rich_ | dpkg tell rapha3l about usb mouse |
| 00:48.58 | KRONOS | how to i search for packages with apt-get ? |
| 00:48.59 | Mardus | Now, I'm at a program that makes partitions and I have decided to make this one ~10 Mb primary bootable partition /because of likely LILO limitations in the target PC. The current partition is a Win95 FAT32 (not defragmented) and I guess it may be removed. What should I do first -- remove that partition and then create new, Linux partitions? |
| 00:49.07 | rox | rugliaf: do an apt-cache search before asking here |
| 00:49.14 | z36ra | ugly: alsa mixer returns an error now. it was working before I removed 2.6 kern. now nothing. |
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| 00:49.17 | rox | KRONOS: man apt-cache |
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| 00:49.25 | rapha3l | thx rich_ |
| 00:49.30 | ccs | excuse me, doesn't debian have an amd64 port? |
| 00:49.36 | joesmack | how do you change fsck from checking your hd every 23 boots? |
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| 00:49.44 | peterS | ccs: http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 00:49.45 | rox | KRONOS: basically the cost frequently used command is apt-cache search <stuff> |
| 00:49.48 | ugly | z36ra: and that error is? (don't paste here if it's multiple lines though) |
| 00:49.52 | peterS | ccs: it is not in the official archive yet, though |
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| 00:50.00 | rich_ | rapha3l np problem |
| 00:50.03 | mickfuzz | baronsamedi: sorry, my fault, used a / in place of a - |
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| 00:50.17 | hex|sleep | i expect by the time etch is released it will have an official amd64 port |
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| 00:50.29 | peterS | hex|sleep: one would certainly hope so |
| 00:50.45 | z36ra | I wish i could paste... "Error while loading shared libraries..." |
| 00:51.04 | hex|sleep | it needs some fairly nasty hacks at dpkg's end to get a useful biarch setup going though |
| 00:51.04 | ccs | peterS: i assume there are no bootable iso's, are there? |
| 00:51.07 | ugly | z36ra: that was all? |
| 00:51.12 | hex|sleep | pure64 with a chroot isn;t the same thing |
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| 00:51.20 | peterS | ccs: check that web site. I think they're generating install images, yes |
| 00:51.31 | peterS | hex|sleep: why not? |
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| 00:51.41 | pulu | oops |
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| 00:52.01 | peterS | hex|sleep: this is Debian, it's free software. everything comes in source code. there is little need to run 32-bit apps when you can get all your apps compiled for 64-bit |
| 00:52.14 | bren | I've installed sarge and the machine is getting slow network performance. Using apt-get with a local campus mirror yeilds speeds around 15K/s and scp to another machine on the same switch yeilds speeds around 10K/s. I can't really figure out the problem, does anyone have any ideas? |
| 00:52.25 | peterS | hex|sleep: it's a beautiful thing, not having to rely on third-party vendors to port their software to your platform |
| 00:52.27 | z36ra | lsmod.so.2:cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 00:52.30 | ningo | dpkg, help |
| 00:52.53 | hex|sleep | peterS, just on third-party package maintainers? |
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| 00:53.08 | ccs | peterS: thanks :) bye |
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| 00:53.18 | peterS | hex|sleep: yeah. debian includes close to 10000 source packages already. if something isn't already in Debian, chances are I don't need it |
| 00:53.22 | stew | hex|sleep: you don't have to rely on the package maintainers becuase you have the source yourself |
| 00:53.22 | z36ra | ugly: did you miss it? |
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| 00:53.48 | ugly | z36ra: lsmod.so.2??? is that right?? |
| 00:54.01 | ugly | z36ra: no such file exists in debian heh |
| 00:54.09 | z36ra | yeah |
| 00:54.11 | ugly | did you install alsamixer from source or? |
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| 00:54.23 | z36ra | from dpkg |
| 00:54.52 | Seb_ | anyone successfully using the bugmenot extension on firefox 0.9.3 in sid ? I doesn't do *anything* for me (no pop-up even after changing the preferences, not automatic submitting, nothing)... |
| 00:54.55 | iratsu_ | i'm getting trouble with lyx on debian; getting errors about "not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not found", is this error related to the debian package? |
| 00:54.57 | z36ra | ugly: this is only the latest time I tried... I tried dpkg lots |
| 00:55.00 | ugly | z36ra: well I don't know where *you* get that deb, cause my alsamixer binary does *not* depend on that library |
| 00:55.10 | ugly | s/get/got/ |
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| 00:55.48 | Mardus | Has anyone knowingly advised me regarding my question on what to do with that win95/fat32 partition (as it may be deleted) before I get to create new partitions for Linux? |
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| 00:56.19 | hex|sleep | Mardus, parted can save fat32 if you want that |
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| 00:56.38 | Mardus | hex|sleep: how can it 'save' it? |
| 00:56.43 | ningo | dpkg, uname -r |
| 00:56.45 | cafuego | hex|sleep: Incidentally, the preliminary amd64 installer works great. |
| 00:56.45 | z36ra | ugly ok, I had 2.6 kern and went back to 2.4 to try and get it working. in between I tried a custom build of alsa but not kernel. lately i tried the generic deb packages but still it dont wok. |
| 00:56.51 | ningo | w00t! |
| 00:56.58 | jetscreamer | http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/qs/ope/fee2004jul26.htm |
| 00:57.16 | hex|sleep | Mardus, it's been a while. there's some facility to search for lost partitions, given their approximate size, and have their entry rewritten to the partition table in order to get data out |
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| 00:57.45 | sgeigerbot | hex|sleep: It's gpart |
| 00:57.53 | mickfuzz | thanks for the help people. seeya |
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| 00:58.07 | ptyprob | can i just unmount devfs (which is shadowed on /dev) from a running system. will get back to the old dev system then? |
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| 00:58.17 | hex|sleep | sgeigerbot, yeah, something like that. a housemate used it a bit. i tried it once after a massive cock up, but my 65gb of stuff was gone |
| 00:58.19 | z36ra | ugly: seems tt me I got it working on sarge in the past but I cant remember how the hell i did it |
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| 00:59.03 | TuxMeister | i'm using SARGE (from debian installer). my X fonts are very pixelled. how could i fix that? (using enlightenment) |
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| 01:00.13 | jetscreamer | lcd? |
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| 01:00.18 | hex|sleep | sgeigerbot, well "i have exams in a couple of week, a meeting with my project supervisor tomorrow, i don't have time to try dd on the raw device, i'll just reinstall & restore work files from backups" gone, before anyone suggests it could have been recovered |
| 01:00.28 | TuxMeister | jetscreamer, yes |
| 01:00.29 | hex|sleep | does E use anti-aliased fonts? |
| 01:00.38 | TuxMeister | hex|sleep, it does |
| 01:00.47 | Knorrie | hi, my ldap database is broken since slapd upgrade (sarge, to 2.1.30-3) yesterday (eating 100% cpu when i search), and slapcat stalls at exactly at the same point every time. any suggestions? |
| 01:00.51 | TuxMeister | but i don't know what package i should install |
| 01:00.59 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 might help, there's a sub-pixel thingy... but know your refresh rates for your monitor |
| 01:00.59 | qbit_ | !mythtv |
| 01:00.59 | dpkg | [mythtv] software to turn a Linux box + TV tuner into a TiVo. mythtv.org, but freevo is better Sid and woody packages can be found at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu:8088/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ |
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| 01:01.20 | stew | !freevo |
| 01:01.20 | dpkg | hmm... freevo is software to turn a linux box + tv tuner into a TiVo. freevo.sourceforge.net, but mythtv is better |
| 01:01.23 | qbit_ | !freevo |
| 01:01.31 | qbit_ | whoa! |
| 01:01.31 | hex|sleep | :/ |
| 01:01.33 | TuxMeister | jetscreamer, thanks, ill try |
| 01:01.39 | rapha3l | dpkg tell me more about usb mouse :D |
| 01:01.40 | jetscreamer | somebody already said that 8 seconds ago |
| 01:01.55 | Mardus | hex|sleep: [I'm installing my first ever Debian] But I suppose there is no need to retrieve the data 'post mortem' (suppose the partition was deleted, but I'd need to create anoter one Windows one or for Samba). The question is -- Will I actually need to delete the existing FAT32 partition that I have listed in cfdisk -- in order to replace it with Debian/Linux ones? |
| 01:01.58 | qbit_ | brb |
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| 01:02.31 | qbit_ | yay |
| 01:02.44 | rapha3l | dpkg can' t say more about usbmouse :\ |
| 01:02.44 | dpkg | rapha3l: I give up, what is it? |
| 01:03.13 | stew | Mardus: if you don't want it and you want to replace it, then delete it |
| 01:03.26 | iratsu_ | !lyx |
| 01:03.26 | dpkg | [lyx] a high-level word processer that uses LaTeX as its backend, or at http://www.lyx.org, or ask me about lyx trick |
| 01:03.34 | hex|sleep | Mardus, you need to create at least one linux partiton of some sort, for which unpartitionned space is handy. the debian installer should give you the option somewhere |
| 01:03.34 | iratsu_ | !lyx trick |
| 01:03.35 | dpkg | from memory, lyx trick is at http://www.educat.hu-berlin.de/~voss/lyx/ |
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| 01:03.53 | qbit_ | !athene |
| 01:03.55 | ptyprob | i am still getting 'not enough ptys' |
| 01:04.19 | sussudio | !fix Bulldog |
| 01:04.22 | ptyprob | for 2.6 ; i want to resolve the problem (while using devfs) before going to udev. |
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| 01:05.45 | hex|sleep | damn, now i feel like trying freevo, and i gave my fiddlebox to my sister as a desktop :/ |
| 01:05.49 | qbit_ | where does this dpkg bot query? |
| 01:05.53 | jetscreamer | add some pty's when you compile eh |
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| 01:06.07 | jetscreamer | aka do the config |
| 01:06.14 | citral | qbit_: in an old and very secret cave obviously |
| 01:06.19 | qbit_ | i like it |
| 01:06.19 | hex|sleep | ok, enough insomnia, sleep. |
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| 01:06.46 | Mardus | References - hex|sleep, stew: I know that I'd have to create at least one; My dilemma is probably that it's someone else's hard drive and this someone else was hopeful for me to 'just put Windows 98' there, whereas the actual host computer is a 100Mb 32M/RAM box. This person does not have any critical files on that partition, but this person is not expecting loss of other arbitrary data (like Windows Me Russian and several games I don't know of) |
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| 01:07.33 | Mardus | And that Windows Me Russian is not even installed. I gathered that there was some attempt to install it somehow by someone else, but the computer was too old and slow for that. |
| 01:07.59 | KRONOS | what do i have to install if i get this error : [fatal] storage_init: no known driver specified (sql) (apt-get install ?) |
| 01:08.05 | hex|sleep | windows me :| |
| 01:08.22 | stew | Mardus: if you delete the windows partition you will lose everything on it forever |
| 01:08.33 | Mardus | stew: I don't mind... |
| 01:08.36 | Mardus | :D |
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| 01:08.50 | Mardus | I forgot to check how much space it took up. |
| 01:09.09 | FarrisG | What's the name of the file you can put commands in to be run when you start an x session? |
| 01:09.12 | Mardus | I also found by chance some Word documents, which I made backups of. |
| 01:09.18 | asg | FarrisG: ~/.xsession |
| 01:09.37 | citral | FarrisG: or /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 01:09.39 | FarrisG | asg: Danke |
| 01:09.45 | asg | FarrisG: you're welcome |
| 01:09.50 | FarrisG | citral: heh, ok thank you too |
| 01:09.56 | sgeigerbot | hex|sleep: man...people ask for help, but don't wait around for the advice. Must be windows users (whose machines typically crash) |
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| 01:10.15 | Spartak | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.31 | abrotman | what menu is htat? |
| 01:10.33 | Mardus | Most Windows machines that I have had control over, don't crash (just like that). |
| 01:10.40 | Spartak | abrotman: sorry in kde |
| 01:10.49 | abrotman | oh .. damn kde ... |
| 01:11.03 | citral | Spartak: you'd better ask in #debian-kde |
| 01:11.04 | asg | Spartak: #debian-kde is your best bet |
| 01:11.10 | Spartak | abrotman: the Kmenu has sub menu saying more programs under each one of the main menus |
| 01:11.18 | Spartak | k |
| 01:11.20 | Spartak | thx |
| 01:11.59 | abrotman | kam BAM! |
| 01:12.02 | rich_ | Mardus Windows users cant percieve the crash. It turns a special color when it crashes that hypnotises them and makes them forget about it. Its a certain shade of blue. |
| 01:12.05 | jetscreamer | !info ude |
| 01:12.11 | Mardus | And that old box was brought to me to see if the network card worked. Oh yes, it did, but "if the network card works" was a pretense for them to hope I'd get them a Windows system "just like that", which I didn't want to. |
| 01:12.11 | dpkg | ude: (The Unix Desktop Environment), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.2.8.final-2 (sid), Packaged size: 20 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 01:12.17 | sgeigerbot | Mardus: then you haven't seen your average windwos machine. |
| 01:12.19 | asg | abrotman: evening |
| 01:12.25 | Mardus | rich_: I know aboud the BSoD |
| 01:12.26 | sgeigerbot | rich_: Correct. |
| 01:12.28 | abrotman | asg: how are things today? |
| 01:12.34 | abrotman | asg: did the sun take a dive yet? |
| 01:12.38 | asg | abrotman: yep :) |
| 01:12.42 | abrotman | now what? |
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| 01:12.58 | asg | abrotman: I shoveled it on to someone else (I've been fooling with blade servers today :) |
| 01:13.04 | hex|sleep | rich_, sounds like osx users and gaping design flaws |
| 01:13.04 | Mardus | rich_: But yes, generally agreed ;) |
| 01:13.07 | sgeigerbot | rich_: I think they chose blue because it makes people happy. If you are going to show a color all the time, you might as well pick the most popular color. Woohoo gui designers. |
| 01:13.07 | ptyprob | can i stop using devfs in a running system and switch to normal /dev? |
| 01:13.16 | abrotman | asg: someone else? .. hopefully a sun tech/eng |
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| 01:13.32 | abrotman | woohoo .. and ibm blades for all! |
| 01:13.38 | asg | abrotman: by way of another network admin |
| 01:13.42 | citral | ptyprob: what do you mean by normal /dev ? |
| 01:13.48 | hex|sleep | argh, job interview tomorrow, i should be asleep :/ |
| 01:13.50 | rich_ | Yep, when it turns blue suddenly their eyes glaze over, and they say "time for a coffee break, then they turn the computer off without ever realiseing that it crashed |
| 01:13.53 | asg | abrotman: I had a lot on my plate so pursuaded him to call and bitch |
| 01:13.57 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: not with .. near .. near dan2 also |
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| 01:14.09 | abrotman | asg: did he get any farther? |
| 01:14.15 | asg | abrotman: dunno yet |
| 01:14.19 | hex|sleep | rich_, recent windowses go from stop error to rebooting. makes debugging them tricky |
| 01:14.34 | asg | abrotman: most likely, I'd have as well but just had too much to do to yell on the phone. |
| 01:14.35 | abrotman | asg: screw it .. just tell sun it's been replaced and you are canceling all contracts |
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| 01:14.45 | asg | abrotman: he had a light load today so he helped me out |
| 01:14.48 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: no . but Tun Tavern has a shirt from them |
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| 01:14.54 | abrotman | err him |
| 01:14.55 | ptyprob | citral: i get 'no more ptys available' if i try to start an xterm in debian (2.6kernel) system. its running devfs which tries to manage my /dev - is it because of this? i read the 2.6 docs which recommend udev and obsolete devfs |
| 01:15.04 | abrotman | asg: how many sun boxen do you have? |
| 01:15.05 | asg | abrotman: can't, we have a 6800 that is under contract (state mandated) |
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| 01:15.22 | asg | abrotman: 6800, 280r, e250, and ~12 sun blade 100s |
| 01:15.22 | abrotman | asg: whose contract? |
| 01:15.24 | ptyprob | citral: what do you suggest i do to solve the problem in the running system (without booting into a system with udev) |
| 01:15.31 | abrotman | who's |
| 01:15.42 | asg | abrotman: it's our contract, though the hardware is mandated by the state |
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| 01:15.56 | citral | ptyprob: docs recommends to add an entry for pty's in fstab if I remeber. |
| 01:15.58 | abrotman | asg: lovely |
| 01:15.59 | rich_ | hex|sleep Ive seen that. It makes them click in a wierd pattern before they drink their coffee. |
| 01:16.06 | asg | abrotman: yeah, political crap |
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| 01:16.19 | abrotman | asg: spill a soda on it |
| 01:16.20 | asg | abrotman: still, managed to easily get the new installer to work with our blades |
| 01:16.22 | ptyprob | yes i did the mount as given in the docs. |
| 01:16.34 | abrotman | asg: the sarge .. via usb? |
| 01:16.37 | asg | abrotman: it would likely work better |
| 01:16.40 | asg | abrotman: yep |
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| 01:16.52 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 01:16.53 | TuxMeister | the fonts in the X server are very pixelled. how can i fix that (using Enlightenment) |
| 01:16.54 | asg | abrotman: both IDE pcmcia drive and the SCSI addon too |
| 01:16.58 | abrotman | was it painless? |
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| 01:17.00 | Mardus | rich_: I have mostly been able to keep computers nice enough that users of these don't encounter BSoD-s. |
| 01:17.01 | Batsy | hoy |
| 01:17.07 | abrotman | or would a webpage help? |
| 01:17.09 | asg | abrotman: yes (though the scsi system required some grub hacking) |
| 01:17.27 | asg | abrotman: after installation, the /dev/sdb switched to /dev/sda |
| 01:17.32 | asg | abrotman: other than that, it was cake |
| 01:17.35 | Mardus | > Away to try installing my first Debian. |
| 01:17.40 | ptyprob | citral: something like mount -t devpts none /dev/pty |
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| 01:17.47 | TuxMeister | the fonts in the X server are very pixelled. how can i fix that (using Enlightenment) |
| 01:17.48 | slisher | since I installed kernel 2.6.7 my dsl doesn't work. any ides? |
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| 01:17.54 | hex|sleep | none of the machines i take responsability for have blue screens, i'm only hapy with the configuration of sone of them - the only one where the user in question has a user account, not an admin account. |
| 01:17.55 | abrotman | asg: lovely .. |
| 01:17.57 | rich_ | Mardus try wearing polarised glasses, and right before you go to get coffee, check the computer and if it isnt working put a little mark on the side of the moniter. |
| 01:18.11 | rich_ | Those marks really add au |
| 01:18.14 | rich_ | up |
| 01:18.25 | asg | abrotman: yeah, we are deploying a new portal system soon, so I had to get things running on those blades. |
| 01:18.25 | abrotman | asg: hopefully the sun problem is no longer yours |
| 01:18.26 | citral | ptyprob: something like that, yes. try to look for /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 01:18.32 | Mardus | rich_: I don't think I have polarised glasses. What are they like? |
| 01:18.35 | asg | abrotman: it's still mine, just not mine for this week |
| 01:18.39 | rapha3l | rich_, i didn't find the solution ... |
| 01:18.40 | abrotman | asg: you should get an intern .. and make it his sole job to get that thing fixed :) |
| 01:18.43 | ptyprob | ok. what do you want from the log? |
| 01:18.52 | Mardus | rich_: btw, I don't drink any coffee. |
| 01:18.52 | rich_ | You just dont realise how often they happen. Its because of the built in subliminal advertiseing |
| 01:19.00 | citral | ptyprob: look yourself for error messages |
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| 01:19.05 | asg | abrotman: I have an intern, it's her job to tweak some really ugly xsl :) |
| 01:19.13 | dan2 | asg! |
| 01:19.18 | asg | dan2: evening |
| 01:19.18 | abrotman | ewww |
| 01:19.21 | TuxMeister | I'm usgin sarge. The fonts in X are very pixelled. how can i fix that? "msg me" |
| 01:19.23 | abrotman | asg: watch it . he's high |
| 01:19.27 | dan2 | asg: codeine has made me stoned |
| 01:19.28 | asg | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:19.35 | asg | dan2: heh |
| 01:19.35 | abrotman | !tell TuxMeister about fonts |
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| 01:19.48 | debianstarfish | how do i get more gnome themes? |
| 01:19.58 | rich_ | Mardus They make things darker, and change the shade of the blue a little makeing it easier to remember |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | themes.org |
| 01:20.02 | abrotman | art.gnome.org |
| 01:20.08 | asg | TuxMeister: a) you need anti-aliased fonts b) /msg dpkg font guide |
| 01:20.14 | citral | freshmeat |
| 01:20.19 | hex|sleep | apt-get install gnome-themes-extras |
| 01:20.28 | abrotman | i forget the other site .. sunny somthingorother |
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| 01:20.36 | Mardus | rich_: I have glasses, which, AFAIK have UV protection and which were told to be good for guys working before computer monitors. |
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| 01:20.44 | abrotman | helix: do you have to evacuate? |
| 01:20.44 | citral | sunnydesktop.org |
| 01:20.46 | ptyprob | citral: same message. get_pty failed - no ptys available |
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| 01:21.04 | dan2 | asg: udo is really nice, have you used it? |
| 01:21.12 | asg | dan2: udo? |
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| 01:21.15 | Mardus | No, probably no UV protection... |
| 01:21.33 | citral | ptyprob: I don't know, really. |
| 01:21.49 | debianstarfish | has any one seen nvz? |
| 01:21.51 | Mardus | Or maybe still... |
| 01:21.56 | asg | abrotman: she's more north |
| 01:21.58 | abrotman | asg: ever have an uti? |
| 01:22.10 | abrotman | asg: i thought they weregoing CC north |
| 01:22.10 | odc | does anybody know where to get older backports ? |
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| 01:22.15 | asg | abrotman: I've had utz chips |
| 01:22.16 | odc | |
| 01:22.29 | abrotman | mmm .. utz |
| 01:22.34 | dan2 | asg: Universal Documentation Formayt |
| 01:22.36 | asg | abrotman: hmmm, maybe |
| 01:22.40 | abrotman | asg: ever have middleswarth? |
| 01:22.41 | Mardus | rich_: Just that I know they have this itsy-bitsy slightly darker layer that protects eyes from monitor glow and stuff like that, which is good for office workers and computer guys. |
| 01:22.46 | asg | dan2: udo == udf? |
| 01:22.51 | abrotman | asg: those things rule |
| 01:22.53 | asg | abrotman: sounds like a fun beer |
| 01:22.58 | abrotman | it's chips |
| 01:23.10 | asg | abrotman: no, but I'm a huge fan of chips |
| 01:23.21 | abrotman | asg: if you ever go through central PA .. find them |
| 01:23.24 | zbowling | a little funny note... the straight up binary distribution of any Linux 2.6 kernel won't work on any new dell poweredge, latitude, or precision.... to me a some time fiddling in knoppix to compile my own kernel and load it to get debian to boot... its all good though :-) |
| 01:23.28 | ptyprob | citral: how do i stop devfs controlling my dev and allow me to use /dev as usual.will that solve the problem? |
| 01:23.33 | asg | abrotman: will look out next time I do a road trip to NJ |
| 01:23.44 | abrotman | zbowling: do you know why not? |
| 01:23.44 | peterS | zbowling: details? how did the stock kernel fail? |
| 01:23.52 | abrotman | asg: no .. middle of PA .. like st college |
| 01:23.53 | helix | abrotman: dunno yet. |
| 01:23.55 | asg | zbowling: it will |
| 01:23.55 | initech | zbowling: aacraid driver or something? |
| 01:23.58 | asg | abrotman: ah |
| 01:23.58 | abrotman | asg: why do you go to NJ? |
| 01:23.59 | peterS | zbowling: this is important - it's probably something the kernel image people can fix |
| 01:24.06 | dan2 | asg: no, let me show you an example |
| 01:24.06 | asg | abrotman: my friend lives there |
| 01:24.08 | abrotman | helix: oh .. |
| 01:24.10 | abrotman | asg: ah .. |
| 01:24.11 | citral | ptyprob: apt-get remove devfsd --purge |
| 01:24.13 | Mardus | trying to get away now... Oh holy blah-blah... |
| 01:24.22 | asg | abrotman: in Paramus :/ |
| 01:24.28 | abrotman | asg: i'm sorry :) |
| 01:24.32 | asg | abrotman: hehe |
| 01:24.33 | ptyprob | ptyprob: and i can do this on my running system and it should be fine after that |
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| 01:24.47 | zbowling | every machine hangs on the RTC driver |
| 01:24.59 | zbowling | we just got a bunch of dells in our company |
| 01:25.00 | abrotman | asg: but you could get yuengling there :) |
| 01:25.02 | ulitz | is it possible to install an os from a blank hard drive without a cd drive? |
| 01:25.03 | peterS | zbowling: interesting |
| 01:25.06 | zbowling | about 60... |
| 01:25.14 | ulitz | I meant debian but os works |
| 01:25.15 | citral | ptyprob: I don't know if it will be fine, that was the answer of "how to remove devfs ?" |
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| 01:25.17 | asg | zbowling: then check out the oregon state installers (/msg dpkg custom netinst) |
| 01:25.21 | ptyprob | citral: ok |
| 01:25.29 | zbowling | all brand new... they all came with RHEL WS |
| 01:25.32 | zbowling | ick |
| 01:25.33 | abrotman | !special installers |
| 01:25.33 | dpkg | [special installers] http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html or http://oss.sns.ro/Hilux.html |
| 01:25.33 | dan2 | asg: damn my dns is slow tonight\ |
| 01:25.36 | asg | zbowling: we use dells in large amounts |
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| 01:25.45 | abrotman | dan2: call comcast :) |
| 01:25.46 | asg | abrotman: ha :) |
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| 01:25.59 | asg | dan2: it's the ice weasels </sussudio> |
| 01:26.01 | zbowling | all our older machines work great.. but all the new machines hang... |
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| 01:26.14 | Tzigane | Hi =) Does anyone know of an app that will generate a UML class diagram (etc) from source? |
| 01:26.22 | rich_ | Mardus yes but makeing it slightly different shade will make it easier to remember. And its a three pronged approach, you have to do all three. Mentally, by remembering that a procedure has to be done, because it has crashed, physically by wearing the glasses and actually drawing on the side of the monitor to record the crash, and emotionally, by examining the marks sometimes and curseing all the lost time they represent |
| 01:26.25 | Tzigane | Like doxygen, but UML |
| 01:26.30 | peterS | zbowling: if you're willing to go to the trouble of filing a bug report against the 'kernel-image-$(uname -r)' package, and following up with information when they ask for it, that would be great |
| 01:26.42 | dan2 | asg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/mPEjYs92.html |
| 01:26.43 | zbowling | i'm not sure exactly what it is but it all works when i tweak my kernel for my needs.. don't know what exactly fixed it though since I customized it all for my needs |
| 01:26.48 | dan2 | abrotman: I would if I wasn't stoned |
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| 01:26.52 | rox | i don't realy understand thisdmix plugin ... it is supposed to mix sounds together before they are fed to my sould hardware, but how do i actually install it? |
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| 01:26.56 | peterS | zbowling: what kernel version is this that fails? the one on the "linux26" sarge installer? or what? |
| 01:27.13 | abrotman | dan2: have your dad call |
| 01:27.21 | dan2 | abrotman: I don't live with him |
| 01:27.26 | zbowling | the linux26 in the sarge installer works for the install protion.. just the first time it boots after that |
| 01:27.26 | abrotman | asg: i was at a client in newark |
| 01:27.28 | rox | dan anybody please give me some pointers on installing the dmix alsa plugin |
| 01:27.38 | abrotman | asg: next time you go . ask your friend to take you for rodizio |
| 01:27.42 | asg | dan2: interesting, does the '!' have to be escaped in regular text? |
| 01:27.44 | abrotman | asg: just don't tell helix you ate it :) |
| 01:27.48 | asg | abrotman: will do |
| 01:27.49 | asg | abrotman: hehe |
| 01:27.50 | dan2 | asg: don't think so |
| 01:27.52 | zbowling | its documented on http://linux.dell.com somewhere for RHEL |
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| 01:28.01 | dan2 | asg: its very easy, I use it to avoid coding texinfo |
| 01:28.03 | abrotman | asg: i went to a place called .. brasila i think in newark |
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| 01:28.08 | asg | dan2: *nod* |
| 01:28.11 | dan2 | asg: syntax is easier, you don't have to create the menus |
| 01:28.44 | asg | abrotman: I had some great calamari in the city (can't remember the name offhand though) |
| 01:28.44 | abrotman | nice oracle cert thingie |
| 01:28.55 | abrotman | asg: well that doesn't do me anygood :) |
| 01:29.03 | dan2 | imurdock: hi |
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| 01:29.08 | abrotman | dan2: btw .. liked the calamari at sly fox in phoenixville |
| 01:29.15 | abrotman | dan2: and the beer kicks as |
| 01:29.16 | abrotman | ass |
| 01:29.19 | asg | abrotman: :) |
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| 01:29.36 | dan2 | abrotman: my friend owns that place |
| 01:29.45 | dan2 | asg: Pete Giannopoulos |
| 01:29.46 | abrotman | your friend? |
| 01:29.49 | dan2 | abrotman: yeah |
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| 01:29.55 | abrotman | you're 17? |
| 01:29.59 | zbowling | i also need the latest ALSA versions and nvidia kernels so i compiled those in because these machines come with dell specific Audigy 2 version (that only the latest kernel or alsa driver supports) and the Nvidia cards are the new 64 bit PCIe ones... |
| 01:30.12 | abrotman | dan2: which is your favorite beer? |
| 01:30.14 | dan2 | abrotman: no..., Peter Giannopoulos Sr. |
| 01:30.17 | guestish | zbowling: wow, new |
| 01:30.20 | dan2 | abrotman: my friend is Jr. |
| 01:30.23 | guestish | zbowling: PCIe any good? |
| 01:30.23 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:30.26 | asg | abrotman: In the Greek Mafia, all your restaurants are belong to us |
| 01:30.27 | abrotman | so your friend doens't own it |
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| 01:30.28 | abrotman | his dad does |
| 01:30.32 | dan2 | abrotman: their beer kicks ass |
| 01:30.38 | abrotman | i know |
| 01:30.40 | abrotman | i drank a lot |
| 01:30.43 | abrotman | got a bunch free |
| 01:30.48 | zbowling | yep... :-) my workstation was $4,250... :-) but i'm a tech so i got all the good stuff like the SATA 10k RPM drives and stuff |
| 01:30.50 | dan2 | abrotman: I used to take the beer out of his fridge at his house |
| 01:30.51 | Mardus | rich_: Are you suggesting that the BSoDs should have slighlty different shades /of blue, so that regular users would be able to memorise them so as to tell their computer guys? |
| 01:31.01 | Mardus | * slightly |
| 01:31.03 | zbowling | i LOVE PCIe :-) |
| 01:31.04 | ChibaPet | Hey, all. I'm in a sucky spot here. I added "data=journal" to the line for / in my /etc/fstab, and my system is largely useless now... |
| 01:31.16 | guestish | zbowling: sweet |
| 01:31.23 | ChibaPet | Is there a way to force a mounted FS to read-write status for fixing this sort of issue? |
| 01:31.30 | abrotman | dan2: good food .. good beer .. nice patio |
| 01:31.34 | guestish | zbowling: whatcha use it for? |
| 01:31.38 | Nurbs | mount -o remount,rw / |
| 01:31.38 | abrotman | dan2: not the cheapest stuff .. but oh well |
| 01:31.40 | dan2 | abrotman: yeah, have you had their ice cream and fries? |
| 01:31.47 | dan2 | abrotman: fries made on-site |
| 01:31.48 | ChibaPet | Nurbs - thanks. |
| 01:31.49 | rich_ | Mardus Thats not my concern, Im just saying the only way to count them is to take precautions against the built in subliminal advertiseing. |
| 01:32.08 | dan2 | abrotman: I helped him make those beer battered fries one time, its sooo tasty, we cut up potatoes too |
| 01:32.08 | abrotman | dan2: i like the pulled pork bbq .. it kicks ass |
| 01:32.12 | zbowling | video and my intel GIGe cards and my dev stuff... |
| 01:32.15 | abrotman | the fries are ok |
| 01:32.17 | dan2 | abrotman: yeah, thats my friend's favorite |
| 01:32.18 | abrotman | i've had better |
| 01:32.22 | ChibaPet | Nurbs - next question. What's the proper way to specify "date" journalling mode in /etc/fstab, for ext3? |
| 01:32.31 | dan2 | abrotman: all the food is good |
| 01:32.31 | ChibaPet | ur, "data" |
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| 01:32.40 | Nurbs | !ur |
| 01:32.41 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | dan2: i wouldn't go that far .. the chicken salad kind isn't so good |
| 01:32.56 | dan2 | abrotman: its great after your drunk |
| 01:32.57 | dan2 | ;) |
| 01:33.09 | abrotman | dan2: nothing with mayo is good after you're drunk |
| 01:33.11 | Nurbs | ChibaPet: you mean "data", right? :) |
| 01:33.16 | zbowling | anyone ever use convertfs on your boot partition? wondering if that would work... |
| 01:33.19 | ChibaPet | "ur" is also a perfectly acceptable verbal tick, modelling something I might say in real life. :) |
| 01:33.21 | dan2 | asg: http://rafb.net/paste/results/UtV3Un26.html |
| 01:33.24 | abrotman | dan2: and that is part of my vast wisdom that i impart to you . avoid mayo when drinking |
| 01:33.26 | ChibaPet | Nurbs - yes. |
| 01:33.26 | dan2 | asg: texi output of udo |
| 01:33.30 | patterson | um |
| 01:33.31 | Spundun | hi all.. me back again.... making progress slowly. Now I am at a stage where I want to look at how a binary package was actually built..as in the build/install script etc.... where can I find all that stuff.. pointer to online doc will be great |
| 01:33.33 | ChibaPet | data=journal |
| 01:33.38 | ChibaPet | I have this, now: |
| 01:33.40 | dan2 | abrotman: I hate mayo |
| 01:33.41 | dan2 | ;) |
| 01:33.43 | patterson | er |
| 01:33.44 | citral | ur |
| 01:33.47 | abrotman | it's just not good with beer |
| 01:33.48 | abrotman | ask asg |
| 01:34.03 | abrotman | !mayo |
| 01:34.08 | abrotman | !miracle whip |
| 01:34.12 | abrotman | wow .. nothing |
| 01:34.15 | ChibaPet | /dev/hda3 / ext3 defaults,data=journal,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
| 01:34.15 | guestish | lol |
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| 01:34.18 | patterson | !blt |
| 01:34.19 | peterS | abrotman: why should there be anything? |
| 01:34.19 | citral | !donut |
| 01:34.19 | dpkg | from memory, donut is slightly crazy, slightly depressed, slightly paranoid. All pastry. |
| 01:34.24 | peterS | abrotman: neither is particularly related to debian |
| 01:34.33 | abrotman | peterS: neither is donut |
| 01:34.41 | slisher | since I installed kernel 2.6.7 my dsl doesn't work. any ides? |
| 01:34.50 | peterS | abrotman: so, it's surprising that donut *is* in that database, not that mayo *isn't* |
| 01:35.04 | citral | slisher: do you have the module of your card loaded ? |
| 01:35.06 | guestish | !donut |
| 01:35.07 | dpkg | methinks donut is slightly crazy, slightly depressed, slightly paranoid. All pastry. |
| 01:35.14 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. i suppose my standards are out of whack :) |
| 01:35.15 | peterS | !tell guestish about repeat |
| 01:35.20 | zbowling | i'm loving this new 2.6.8.1 kernel... might try the latest 2.6.9 later... |
| 01:35.21 | Nurbs | ChibaPet: looks fine to me, except that "defaults" is probably useless there. what error do you get with data=journal? |
| 01:35.23 | Mardus | rich_: Why would BSoDs need be counted? And what do you mean by "the built-in subliminal advertising" -- like they tell users to press ENTER or CTRL+ALT+DEL or just restart the computer? |
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| 01:35.34 | guestish | peterS: i didnt ask a question |
| 01:35.43 | Mardus | rich_: I feel that you are suggesting that they only way to count BSoDs of regular users is when "subliminal advertising in BSoD: 'restart the PC if you see this'" should be removed and regular users would just have to call computer guys or make notes of BSoDs that don't tell them to do anything? |
| 01:35.45 | ChibaPet | Nurbs - it scrolls by too quickly to see, but I end up with the read-only /... |
| 01:35.46 | peterS | guestish: no, but you asked the bot for a factoid it had given out about 30 seconds earlier |
| 01:35.46 | abrotman | they dropped the kobe trial .. what a mess that will be |
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| 01:35.53 | guestish | peterS: ah, missed that |
| 01:36.05 | paxl | can somone help me.. how can we get Speed Stepping to work on my toshiba Centrino Tecra S1 ? |
| 01:36.05 | ChibaPet | I assumed logging would not catch the error. Would dmesg have it? |
| 01:36.09 | bulio | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.13 | abrotman | peterS: it wasn't him the first time |
| 01:36.17 | peterS | abrotman: I know |
| 01:36.26 | patterson | anyone get an attachment in a ximian mailing list attachment ? |
| 01:36.32 | patterson | er picture |
| 01:36.40 | ChibaPet | Nurbs - I'll be back in a moment. Going to try again, and see if I can catch the error. |
| 01:36.49 | asg | patterson: standard spam, disregard |
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| 01:37.10 | patterson | yahoo.sbc said it was infected |
| 01:37.20 | abrotman | http://www.spamusement.com |
| 01:37.27 | patterson | so i never saw the headers |
| 01:37.33 | zbowling | anyone know where i can get that default config for the kernel thats in the current sarge distro on the net so i can run a diff and see what I changed in mine to get it to work? |
| 01:37.38 | rich_ | Mardus You said you dont get them, I said that windows users cant really percieve them So if you dont want to count them you dont have to but if you really want to see how many of them there are, wear polarised glasses, keep a tally on the side of your monitor and check it periodically and ask yourself if you remember them. Its completely your choice. |
| 01:37.40 | zbowling | nm i've got it |
| 01:37.40 | zbowling | lol |
| 01:37.43 | abrotman | zbowling: /boot/ ? |
| 01:37.51 | zbowling | yep :-) |
| 01:37.52 | Nurbs | ChibaPet: uhm... bootlogd (check if enabled in /etc/default/bootlogd) would probably log it. dmesg probably wouldn't. you could also try "mount -o remount,data=journal /", but it might not work or behave differently |
| 01:38.12 | rich_ | Mardus Most people would rather not know |
| 01:38.48 | rich_ | Mardus But it doesnt work unless you do all three |
| 01:39.04 | rich_ | sooner or later your eyes adjust to the new color |
| 01:39.10 | Mardus | rich_: I think I missed your point. What's the point in wearing polarised glasses? |
| 01:39.20 | dan2 | asg: did you see the texi output? |
| 01:39.38 | slisher | citral: yes it is loaded. |
| 01:39.59 | asg | dan2: yep |
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| 01:40.07 | rich_ | Mardus to change the color slightly so its not quite the same color its always been |
| 01:40.12 | citral | slisher: re-run pppoeconf ? |
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| 01:40.27 | sgeigerbot | !+EBCDIC |
| 01:40.27 | dpkg | hmm... ebcdic is Extended Binary Coded Decimal Interchange Code. Teacher: "So the US Government asked IBM to come up with an encryption standard and they created...?" Student: "EBCDIC!" ASCII a stupid question, get an EBCDIC answer |
| 01:40.29 | Mardus | And "how many of them [what 'them'?] there are"? |
| 01:40.29 | joaop | anyone using the bittorrent package from unstable ? it doesn't have executable files, have? |
| 01:40.42 | slisher | citral: ok thanx |
| 01:41.01 | dan2 | asg: it works well |
| 01:41.07 | rich_ | Mardus and also to remind you to count . The feeling of the glasses on your face should remind you that you need to count when it crashes |
| 01:41.11 | asg | dan2: not bad, not bad |
| 01:41.25 | rich_ | Its a physical reminder |
| 01:41.28 | lxcuu-- | it does |
| 01:41.29 | dan2 | asg: udo > docbook |
| 01:41.35 | asg | joaop: dpkg -L <pkg> (see if there is anything executable) |
| 01:41.40 | Mardus | rich_: I think you are making a practical joke on me, which I don't happen to understand. |
| 01:41.41 | dan2 | asg: you can use it to write LaTeX and man and stuff |
| 01:41.45 | joaop | asg, thanks |
| 01:41.47 | asg | dan2: dunno about that |
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| 01:42.01 | dan2 | asg: I didn't mean docbook, I meant texi |
| 01:42.08 | asg | dan2: ah |
| 01:42.09 | dan2 | asg: damn, you see the codeine talking right now |
| 01:42.18 | lxcuu-- | joaop: btdownloadcurses |
| 01:42.20 | asg | dan2: s'okay |
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| 01:42.44 | joaop | lxcuu--, thanks |
| 01:42.56 | dan2 | asg: you can type in raw latex headers into udo, I may start writing my papers that way |
| 01:43.02 | FarrisG | Ok, perhaps I'm misunderstanding how .xsession works |
| 01:43.05 | histos | Hi everyone, i want to compile the 2.6.7 kernel, i did apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.7 kernel-headers-2.6.7-1 kernel-headers-2.6.7-1-686 and when i get to /usr/src i got now 3 directories with each package... what i am supposed to do with this ? is there a script or something ??? i thought it would be done auto... anyone please to explain me ? |
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| 01:43.15 | joaop | lx_jakal, that's hard no ? no man page, no help on web site |
| 01:43.16 | rich_ | Mardus No, just suggesting basic, techniques for counting something that most people cant percieve. Its not like its magic, just memory aids |
| 01:43.18 | asg | dan2: :) |
| 01:43.21 | dan2 | asg: I prefer latex over other docs for papers |
| 01:43.22 | FarrisG | Is .xsession supposed to be souced by xinitrc? |
| 01:43.44 | nvz | FarrisG: .xinitrc is |
| 01:43.45 | FarrisG | sourced even |
| 01:43.48 | asg | dan2: TeX has some useful functions, though these days, XML based formatters are nice |
| 01:43.51 | Mardus | rich_: I understand the part where most Windows users don't perceive BSoDs, but what's the point in the darker (or whatever-) shade of polarised glasses. And what's the stuff about "if I want to really see how many of them (which do you mean in 'them'?) there are, and I'd have to wear polarised glasses, keep a tally and periodically ask if I remember them (what 'them'?)"? |
| 01:43.56 | asg | FarrisG: no |
| 01:44.06 | dan2 | asg: XML sucks for writing english papers |
| 01:44.08 | asg | FarrisG: .xsession is used by startx and the *dm's |
| 01:44.11 | dan2 | asg: docbook doesn't support enough formatting |
| 01:44.29 | asg | dan2: then create a better DTD :) |
| 01:44.37 | rich_ | Mardus the blue screens. Thats how a window user can count them. Otherwise they hypnotise you and make you forget. |
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| 01:44.46 | dan2 | asg: heh, like, I can't put my Name, Date, and Period in top right hand corner with docbook |
| 01:44.49 | FarrisG | asg: Ok, so if I want a particular app to be run each time I login to gdm, where would I put that? |
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| 01:45.02 | asg | dan2: you can do that in 'vi' with some judicious tabbing |
| 01:45.08 | dan2 | haha |
| 01:45.09 | asg | FarrisG: yes |
| 01:45.15 | dan2 | asg: no point, its like this in latex |
| 01:45.15 | rich_ | Mardus Which again, is entirely your choice. Your right that it really doesnt matter how many there are. |
| 01:45.22 | asg | dan2: granted |
| 01:45.28 | rich_ | Mardus unless it matters. |
| 01:45.39 | dan2 | asg: \rhead{\setlength{\tabcolsep}{0pt}\begin{tabular}{l}\mkname\\\mksubject\\\mkdate\end{tabular}} |
| 01:45.52 | chealer | hi people. I just changed my video card and X didn't want to start so I copied a XF86Config generated by Knoppix. Now everything's fine except my mouse's wheel doesn't work. can someone mention a solution or maybe tell how to run XF86Config only for the mouse? |
| 01:46.25 | asg | chealer: /msg dpkg wheel mouse |
| 01:46.37 | nvz | chealer: debain users dont let debian users use XF86Config |
| 01:46.41 | abrotman | dan2: english .. |
| 01:46.45 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:46.54 | chealer | nvz/asg: thanx already |
| 01:46.56 | Mardus | rich_: I don't get them, and they don't matter as much. What matters is that I don't understand your point on wearing polarised glasses and the connection between the glasses then and the blue screens. You mean -- if BSoDs were just regular dialogs, the users would still stay hypnotised and forget them? |
| 01:47.03 | ryan` | I have a question about packages... I wanna create a package with config files for various programs, can such a package override files owned by other packages, or must I repackage the owing packages with new config files? |
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| 01:47.07 | chealer | although I'd like to hear more from nvz |
| 01:47.08 | asg | abrotman: he's knuthing us |
| 01:47.14 | dan2 | asg: abrotman: all hand defined latex macros, from my latex stylesheets |
| 01:47.21 | abrotman | asg: i think it's the codine again |
| 01:47.27 | asg | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:47.34 | Mardus | rich_: /With "I don't get them", I meant that computers around me don't through BSoD's in my face. |
| 01:47.35 | asg | dan2: cool |
| 01:47.42 | nvz | chealer: debain users use 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' or else edit the file by hand |
| 01:47.42 | abrotman | dan2: i know what it latex looks like .. i made a fax cover sheet out of it |
| 01:47.48 | abrotman | once .. that was enough |
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| 01:48.08 | abrotman | at least i think that's latex |
| 01:48.15 | dan2 | abrotman: Knuth spent 10 years of his life writing the best documentation language |
| 01:48.17 | abrotman | it's been a long time |
| 01:48.24 | abrotman | dan2: that's debatable .. ask MS :) |
| 01:48.32 | asg | dan2: to write a decent set of books also |
| 01:48.33 | abrotman | dan2: it is good though |
| 01:48.37 | asg | s/write/format/ |
| 01:48.42 | chealer | nvz: that would have been nice to know when I was at console...thx :) |
| 01:48.42 | dan2 | asg: yeah, thats why I said he had ADD |
| 01:48.50 | asg | dan2: hehe |
| 01:49.09 | dan2 | asg: I have read all of his books |
| 01:49.17 | rich_ | Mardus Its a three pronged aproach involving the three major ways that people pervieve things. If you wore the glasses all the time, they wouldnt work, because the screen would be the same color it always is, but by doing it as at the same time as the as ther two things you should be able to get an idea of how many of them there really are. |
| 01:49.27 | dan2 | asg: the formatting is better than everybody who uses word |
| 01:49.28 | qbit_ | !xv |
| 01:49.28 | dpkg | xv is probably at http://www.trilon.com/xv/index.html (Very popular but NON-FREE image viewer, many formats, thumbnails) or removed from Debian due to license, or the X-Video extension, try 'xvinfo' to see what your videocard is capable of (XFree86 >= 4.0.2 needed). get the .deb from slink if you want it, or ask me about qiv, or use the 'display' and 'import' and 'convert' programs from imagemagick |
| 01:49.29 | dan2 | :P |
| 01:49.45 | rich_ | Mardus how many blue screens I mean |
| 01:50.06 | histos | Hi everyone, i want to compile the 2.6.7 kernel, i did apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.7 kernel-headers-2.6.7-1 kernel-headers-2.6.7-1-686 and when i get to /usr/src i got now 3 directories with each package... what i am supposed to do with this ? is there a script or something ??? i thought it would be done auto... anyone please to explain me ? |
| 01:50.28 | peterS | !tell histos -about kp |
| 01:50.39 | Mardus | rich_: Maybe it's my understanding of English... Are you saying that polarised glasses are blue, but just translucent. If I wore those, I wouldn't notice blue screens? |
| 01:50.45 | zbowling | http://linux.dell.com/distributions.shtml#debian |
| 01:50.53 | guestish | im trying to unmount a filesystem, but for some reason its saying its busy, even though it shouldnt, is there any way to figure out whats holding up the unmount or to force it? |
| 01:51.07 | asg | guestish: fuser or lsof |
| 01:51.09 | ChibaPet | Nurbs - error is thus: EXT3-fs: cannot change data mode on remount |
| 01:51.22 | ChibaPet | This despite its not being remounted when that error occurs. |
| 01:51.36 | Guerin | ok, 645 upgrades on my sid box, wish me luck :P |
| 01:51.38 | histos | peterS thanks |
| 01:51.40 | asg | guestish: also, make sure you aren't sitting in said directory when you try to umount it |
| 01:51.49 | guestish | asg: arg, looks like thats happening |
| 01:51.52 | asg | guestish: :) |
| 01:51.59 | Guerin | umount -l will unmount it anyway |
| 01:52.00 | abrotman | zbowling: matt .. uhm .. lomsch .. used to have a great linux/dell PE page |
| 01:52.01 | asg | Guerin: good luck |
| 01:52.05 | Nurbs | G |
| 01:52.11 | Nurbs | ChibaPet: no idea :\ |
| 01:52.19 | Guerin | asg: merci. Or should I say, Mercy!! |
| 01:52.27 | ChibaPet | I'll see if the web has anything to say about it. |
| 01:52.29 | asg | Guerin: depends on the outcome |
| 01:52.31 | dan2 | asg: think I am going to crash (and hopefully not on the route to my bed) |
| 01:52.40 | asg | dan2: night |
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