| 00:00.07 | tak__2 | I culdn't find anything in /usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Debian |
| 00:00.08 | ajm | streuner: It's a driver. |
| 00:00.15 | streuner | hmm |
| 00:00.26 | ajm | rdancer: I have not done what you said. I will try. |
| 00:00.33 | bsims | Yes I can log in as other people |
| 00:00.46 | bsims | wc |
| 00:00.46 | kurumin | oi |
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| 00:01.09 | MerlinCorey | the leftist-enviornmentalist free-spirited semi-hot art-major looking chick that just came by soliticing for some petition seemed enamoured with me... guess they're not used to many guys with long hair in Michigan... |
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| 00:01.43 | ugly | MerlinCorey: just because she asked you to fix her computer doesn't mean she wants your body |
| 00:02.03 | ClonedMule | ugly: They always want your body |
| 00:02.11 | WiFiTux | True |
| 00:02.14 | MerlinCorey | ugly: actually I'm wearing a "No I will not fix your computer" t-shirt... |
| 00:02.16 | WiFiTux | The guy has a point! |
| 00:02.18 | rdancer | !fuck MerlinCorey |
| 00:02.20 | robn | what do ppl think of bush chen blair? |
| 00:02.27 | ugly | MerlinCorey: maybe she's illiterate - female afterall |
| 00:02.29 | bob2 | lord |
| 00:02.31 | robn | who will win elections in ur opinions? |
| 00:02.32 | bob2 | keep it on-topic |
| 00:02.37 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 00:02.40 | robn | sorry |
| 00:02.42 | WiFiTux | robin_, Bush? |
| 00:02.45 | rdancer | MerlinCorey: ;) |
| 00:02.48 | WiFiTux | ahh |
| 00:02.52 | WiFiTux | robn, Bush |
| 00:02.55 | MerlinCorey | robn: that's like talking about religion in here - baaad idea... |
| 00:03.06 | robn | i stopped |
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| 00:03.12 | ugly | robn: not the appropriate forum |
| 00:03.16 | robn | sure |
| 00:03.35 | bob2 | MerlinCorey: no, it's just stupid |
| 00:03.42 | rich_ | MerlinCorey when I was about 35 I grew a beard and my hair got long , a few people said I was starting to look like jerry garcia. All the young girls started looking at me funny. Its normal. They think anyone over 30 without a suit and tie must be a rock star |
| 00:03.43 | bob2 | since no one ever has anyting useful for interesting |
| 00:03.50 | bob2 | insightful chatter is almost always welcome |
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| 00:03.55 | rdancer | ugly: maybe it's not very smart to brag about women being illiterate in general.. |
| 00:03.57 | MerlinCorey | lol @ rich_ |
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| 00:04.08 | GLCable | hi |
| 00:04.28 | GLCable | anyone around? |
| 00:04.37 | jasticE | yeah |
| 00:04.42 | mush | rich_: round that look off with some tight leather pants |
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| 00:04.51 | rdancer | !tell GLCable about asking |
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| 00:05.15 | GLCable | trying to setup my nforce MCP network adapter and getting knowehere |
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| 00:05.28 | stew | GLCable: what have you tried... |
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| 00:05.45 | GLCable | the nforce setup file from nvidia... |
| 00:05.57 | rich_ | mush Then you look flashy. Just wear denim and they think your in cognito |
| 00:05.58 | florian_ | WiFiTux: Thanks for your help, was quite simple just install mousedev in kernel :-} |
| 00:05.58 | GLCable | its supposed to install network card for you |
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| 00:06.19 | WiFiTux | florian, worked now? |
| 00:06.21 | GLCable | then i tried to start setting up DHCP for my network and i just cant get it to go |
| 00:06.22 | bob2 | try #nvidia |
| 00:06.30 | bob2 | and in future buy supported network cards |
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| 00:06.52 | GLCable | bob2 i have an intel pro network adaptor (OLD!) will that work? |
| 00:06.55 | florian_ | can i install kde and gnome at one machine? |
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| 00:06.59 | Relativamente_Bo | hi all |
| 00:07.04 | bob2 | GLCable: probably |
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| 00:07.10 | bob2 | if it's PCI, just load it's module |
| 00:07.14 | bob2 | florian_: of course |
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| 00:07.36 | GLCable | bob2, cant i compile it into my kernel instead? |
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| 00:07.52 | florian_ | what is the metapackage of kde? |
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| 00:08.15 | bob2 | florian_: "kde" |
| 00:08.21 | bob2 | GLCable: er, yes, if you want |
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| 00:09.10 | florian_ | bob2: hmm conflikts |
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| 00:09.17 | GLCable | secondly, before i recompile my kernel... with my new custom kernel which is 2.6.7 during bootup i dont get any of those usualy messages as it starts up... just blank untill X starts... any ideas what i missed out? |
| 00:09.25 | bob2 | florian_: no |
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| 00:09.40 | bob2 | GLCable: vga support. also, 2.6.7 is old. |
| 00:09.48 | bob2 | !+2.6 |
| 00:09.48 | dpkg | methinks 2.6 is http://lkml.org/archive/2003/7/11/106/index.html, http://www.kniggit.net/wwol26.html, or /msg dpkg kp, or now stable enough for critical production systems, or http://www.codemonkey.org.uk/docs/post-halloween-2.6.txt, or http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm, or apt-get install module-init-tools in order to load modules on 2.6 |
| 00:09.50 | florian_ | bob2: here i cant install kde |
| 00:10.00 | bob2 | florian_: then you've done something wrong, which you haven't yet told us about |
| 00:10.09 | jsaxton86 | I have a problem here. I have all my music files on an NTFS drive known as /storage1. As root I can play them just fine. However, as a normal user they are locked out. I tried using chmod 444 /storage 1, but got a message saying that the directory was read only. Any ideas on how to access this drive as a normal user? |
| 00:10.33 | GLCable | 2.6.7 is good enough for me... il look for the vga support... |
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| 00:11.19 | bob2 | GLCable: by "old" I mean "has security issues" |
| 00:11.36 | GLCable | o right, what version should i use? |
| 00:11.45 | bob2 | jsaxton86: you can't chmod a NTFS filesystem, it doesn't support unix permissions. |
| 00:11.49 | bob2 | and it's readonably |
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| 00:11.52 | bob2 | !+vfatrw |
| 00:11.52 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
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| 00:11.58 | GLCable | i imagine my whole machine has a security issue right now because i havnt setup iptables lol |
| 00:12.12 | bob2 | Philippa: tell your linux bootloader to boot windows |
| 00:12.17 | bob2 | GLCable: no, this isn't windows |
| 00:12.30 | bob2 | unless you can actually explain how a firewall will help you, it won't |
| 00:12.48 | Philippa | bob2: how? It doesn't seem to be aware windows is on here |
| 00:12.49 | Atomsk | I'm having fatal errors booting linux with every stock debian 2.6 kernel except kernel-image-2.6.6-2-686-smp. It complains about not being able to resolve bttv_read_gpio and 2 others. Since it crashes early I cant really save the relatively huge output. Any tips on how/what to investigate? |
| 00:12.49 | GLCable | well arnt i meant to setup iptables or something? |
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| 00:13.07 | bob2 | Philippa: edit /etc/lilo.conf or the grub config file (I don't use it) |
| 00:13.13 | GLCable | i thought iptables basically was linux's firewall... |
| 00:13.19 | bob2 | GLCable: as I said above: if you don't know *why* it would help, it won't |
| 00:13.33 | rich_ | GLCable I think it would be considered a potention security issue, not an actually confirmed one, and only because you havent been reading the security mailing list |
| 00:13.38 | GLCable | bob2 it would limit access to certain ports on my PC? |
| 00:13.49 | bob2 | GLCable: yes, and how would that increase it's security? |
| 00:14.13 | bob2 | GLCable: this isn't windows: if ANY of the daemons on your machine are remotely exploitable, that is a critical security issue that will be fixed immediately. |
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| 00:14.41 | GLCable | in otherwords your saying i dont need to do anything with iptables? |
| 00:14.42 | bob2 | a firewall is a useful extra layer, of course |
| 00:14.53 | bob2 | GLCable: no, I'm saying you have much bigger issues |
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| 00:15.00 | GLCable | i thought iptables was linuxes firewall |
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| 00:15.08 | bob2 | yes, it is |
| 00:15.10 | MerlinCorey | haha |
| 00:15.13 | bob2 | but how does it protect you? |
| 00:15.21 | GLCable | erm |
| 00:15.23 | bob2 | none of the services on your machine are remotely exploitable |
| 00:15.31 | angler- | anyone know why i get this when i try to start mozilla-thunderbird? "Error: No running window found" |
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| 00:15.34 | bob2 | (assuming you're up to date with security fizxes) |
| 00:15.37 | GLCable | bob2 did you check? lol |
| 00:15.47 | bob2 | GLCable: no, I'm not that stupid |
| 00:15.52 | GLCable | how can i check if im up to date with security fixes? |
| 00:15.53 | petemc | unless you run ssh and have a user test or admin with a weak password |
| 00:16.03 | petemc | or an ftpd |
| 00:16.08 | bob2 | GLCable: /msg dpkg security |
| 00:16.59 | tak__2 | can the mailman gid be configured in the mailman debian package? or do i need to get the source? |
| 00:17.03 | Vulcanius | anyone know of a good how-to/tutorial on patching a kernel for the orinoco drivers? |
| 00:17.42 | shinguz | Vulcanius: trying to run kismet? |
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| 00:17.48 | tom1234 | Vulancius: google for it, I think there are some good ones on the schoo website. |
| 00:17.55 | jasticE | i'm trying to install a driver. when i go "modprobe ines_gpib" i get a lot of "unresolved symbol" errors. what could the reason for this be and how might i fix it? |
| 00:18.08 | Vulcanius | shinguz; yeah |
| 00:18.09 | rdancer | angler-: do you have $DISPLAY set? |
| 00:18.25 | tom1234 | jasticE: are the modules for the same kernel you are running? |
| 00:18.38 | shinguz | www.kismetwireless.com (iirc) and #kismet too.. |
| 00:18.43 | robn | is there an ipv7 ? |
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| 00:18.46 | jasticE | according to the modules docs, yes |
| 00:18.51 | WiFiTux | hahaha |
| 00:18.54 | robn | is there an ipv7 ? |
| 00:18.55 | WiFiTux | ipv7 |
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| 00:19.03 | tom1234 | robn: no, but I think there is an ipv9 or 10? |
| 00:19.04 | rdancer | jasticE: kernel-driver version mismatch |
| 00:19.06 | WiFiTux | robn, no! |
| 00:19.07 | xerophyte | does anybody know good console based email client ? |
| 00:19.09 | GLCable | last time i ran apt-get update it totally mucked up my debian install..... |
| 00:19.10 | mst | there is ipv9 in china |
| 00:19.14 | mst | xerophyte, mutt |
| 00:19.20 | jasticE | hmm |
| 00:19.21 | WiFiTux | wow |
| 00:19.22 | tom1234 | xerophyte: mutt |
| 00:19.26 | xerophyte | hmmm thx |
| 00:19.29 | WiFiTux | 9 Hex? |
| 00:19.30 | rdancer | robn: yes |
| 00:19.30 | WiFiTux | wow |
| 00:19.31 | angler- | rdancer its set to "0.0" |
| 00:19.32 | Vulcanius | danke |
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| 00:19.49 | shinguz | np |
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| 00:20.04 | robn | any refs on ipvs? |
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| 00:20.38 | rdancer | angler-: kill all thunderbirds, and try to start afresh |
| 00:20.48 | bob2 | tak__2: if it doesn't work when installed, file a bug |
| 00:20.50 | rdancer | angler-: if that didn't help, try strace -f |
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| 00:21.21 | jasticE | rdancer: i used a script which compiled them for me, but i'll do some looking... |
| 00:21.28 | GLCable | apt-get upgrade ses there are 300mb+ of updates... ive ran this before and last time nothing worked at all after i installed it... --help! |
| 00:21.28 | caphuso | Alternately we could go with a byte count rather than a bit count. But people seem to know whether they have a 32-bit or 64-bit processor. If you ask whether they have a 4-byte or 8-byte processor, they have to think about it a long time... |
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| 00:21.46 | rdancer | robn: google |
| 00:21.49 | bin11 | Is there a testing/sarge specific irc channel for end users? Can anyone recommend any other irc channels for newbie debian sarge users? |
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| 00:22.01 | caphuso | bin11: no, no |
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| 00:22.17 | bin11 | ok, thanx |
| 00:22.19 | angler- | rdancer, i see this in the trace stat64("/usr/lib/mozilla-thunderbird/init.d/K*", 0xbffff190) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 00:22.25 | buu | I'm looking for the package libapache-mod-proxy, but apt-cache doesn't seen to be finding it. Do I need to get it someplace else or what? |
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| 00:23.21 | streuner | !tell buu about search |
| 00:23.32 | tom1234 | buu: you could just install the .deb file using dpkg |
| 00:23.35 | Nurbs | GLCable: update more often, learn how to fix your system. do not use a non-stable system if you can't. |
| 00:23.36 | caphuso | buu: isn't mod_proxy part of the apache package? |
| 00:23.40 | angler- | rdancer, dpkg-reconfigure mozilla-thunderbird doesn't help either |
| 00:23.45 | streuner | sure, it is |
| 00:23.48 | bob2 | GLCable: then excplain how you broke it, since it works for everyone else |
| 00:23.56 | bob2 | GLCable: or don't use unstable when you don't know how to deal with it |
| 00:23.56 | buu | caphuso: I thought it might be, but it's not enabled in my conf, or listed via apache-perl -l |
| 00:24.23 | GLCable | bob2, after the upgrade my system USB would no longer work... neither would my sound... i didnt know how to fix it |
| 00:24.25 | rdancer | angler-: look for the *last* error that wasn't recovered from. and don't expect we'd understand. try irc.mozilla.org file a bugreport |
| 00:24.26 | buu | caphuso: Or installed in the /etc/apache/modules or whatever directory it is |
| 00:24.29 | Atomsk | is there a way to see output of a previous kernel segfault? dmesg always shows stuff from last boot but not the boot before... |
| 00:25.10 | bob2 | GLCable: why are you runnning unstable? |
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| 00:25.14 | bob2 | Atomsk: no |
| 00:25.18 | caphuso | buu: it's part of the normal non-perl apache package. install that instead |
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| 00:25.24 | bob2 | Atomsk: not unless it happened to make it to /var/log/kern.log |
| 00:25.47 | buu | caphuso: Er, won't that give me two apache installations? |
| 00:25.51 | GLCable | im running the distribution knoppix3.4 hdinstalled onto my pc... with my own custom kernel and device drivers added |
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| 00:25.54 | xerophyte | does anybody use netzero dialup if so how can send email using external email smtp sever i am not able to send it because smtp server port25 has been blocked or something |
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| 00:26.15 | bob2 | GLCable: haha: #knoppix |
| 00:26.26 | bob2 | xerophyte: um, why don't you just ask them? |
| 00:26.37 | caphuso | buu: probably. you can solve that by removing apache-perl |
| 00:26.45 | buu | caphuso: .. But I want apache-perl. |
| 00:26.51 | WiFiTux | deadcat, are you there? |
| 00:27.08 | GLCable | bob2... IIRC knoppix is just autoconfigured debian... |
| 00:27.14 | caphuso | buu: well, then you obviously don't want mod_proxy... |
| 00:27.47 | bob2 | GLCable: no |
| 00:27.53 | rdancer | xerophyte: you can't |
| 00:28.04 | buu | caphuso: I can't run mod_perl and mod_proxy? |
| 00:28.11 | GLCable | bob2 well it certainly seems to be based on debian |
| 00:28.16 | caphuso | buu: of course you can |
| 00:28.25 | GLCable | ie takes deb packages |
| 00:28.26 | bob2 | GLCable: yes |
| 00:28.30 | buu | caphuso: So why do you keep saying I would have to remove apache-perl ? |
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| 00:28.42 | WiFiTux | Someone has gmail here? |
| 00:28.44 | rdancer | !tell GLCable about knoppix |
| 00:29.01 | rich_ | knoppix not just auto configured debian. Debian is auto-configured linux. Knoppix is a random mish mash of packages from debian releases of various stability. Its debian without quality control which is one of the things thats better in debian than it is in other distributions. |
| 00:29.09 | bob2 | WiFiTux: if you're going to troll for an invite, I'm going to get very annoyed |
| 00:29.12 | caphuso | buu: jesus christ. "apt-get install apache apache-perl- libapache-mod-perl" and shut up |
| 00:29.20 | GLCable | ic ok |
| 00:29.24 | streuner | GLCable: aren't apples taste like strawberries? |
| 00:29.31 | WiFiTux | bob2, nop. it's actually a way to make gmail a remote file system. |
| 00:29.37 | Ox0F0-0FF | Anyone heard about running linux S/390 on a x86 linux ? |
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| 00:29.58 | WiFiTux | bob2, But i guess you guys already know about it |
| 00:30.03 | meff | anyone know how to get the opengl modes listed in zsnes with the debian pkg? |
| 00:30.04 | bob2 | 0 "hercules" |
| 00:30.10 | bob2 | god your nick sucks |
| 00:30.10 | jasticE | !tell jasticE about knoppix |
| 00:30.15 | bob2 | Ox0F0-0FF: hercules. |
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| 00:30.20 | Ox0F0-0FF | lol, so might b me |
| 00:30.24 | caphuso | saving a few hundred microseconds startup time? |
| 00:30.27 | Ox0F0-0FF | bob2: okay, i'll look into this |
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| 00:30.30 | Ox0F0-0FF | thanks a lot |
| 00:31.10 | WiFiTux | http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html |
| 00:31.12 | Spundun_lunch | ok guys... I am shocked to know that my new debian system doesnt seem to have the developement env. setup... I manually installed gcc but its still complaining about things like stdio.h and ct1.o.. is there a toplevel package that will install all the basic developement package? |
| 00:31.21 | caphuso | Spundun_lunch: build-essential |
| 00:31.24 | bob2 | Spundun_lunch: install build-essential |
| 00:31.42 | bob2 | and why are you "shocked"? dev tools in the base system would be stupid |
| 00:31.43 | directhex | !b-e Spundun_lunch |
| 00:31.44 | dpkg | Spundun_lunch: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 00:31.58 | rdancer | WiFiTux: so what? |
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| 00:32.12 | WiFiTux | rdancer, so what ? what!? |
| 00:32.33 | directhex | meff, you need a separate opengl executable i think. try zsnes.com |
| 00:32.47 | Spundun_lunch | bob2: I would assume that anyone who wanted gcc would need stdio.h etc... I mean I expected that gcc should have fetched that stuff |
| 00:32.57 | rdancer | WiFiTux: gmailfs so what? |
| 00:33.19 | WiFiTux | rdancer, well, just making people that are not aware, aware of it.! |
| 00:33.36 | bob2 | Spundun: no, gcc is usable without them |
| 00:33.46 | caphuso | Spundun: gcc can run perfectly fine without those files |
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| 00:34.01 | directhex | just don't #include <stdio.h> |
| 00:34.02 | caphuso | Spundun: that *you* can't, is something completely different |
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| 00:34.52 | Spundun | bob2: caphuso: well I hope I successffully explained why I was shocked :) |
| 00:35.16 | caphuso | Spundun: no, you didn't, but i will: you were shocked because you used an mediocre package management tool without having the necessary knowledge |
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| 00:35.29 | Spundun | bob2: directhex: caphuso: thanx for the help |
| 00:35.47 | caphuso | that's what happens if you're using a medium level tool instead of the high level alternatives that would have told you to install e.g. libc6-dev |
| 00:35.51 | bob2 | things like the kernel build fine without libc6-dev, for instance |
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| 00:37.03 | jasticE | could you suggest such a high level tool to me? |
| 00:37.05 | Spundun | caphuso: I guess a lot of people installing debian would be coming from some other distro... and since most other distros are comparitively mediocre, I assume you must be getting this question a lot :) |
| 00:37.18 | caphuso | we do |
| 00:37.23 | caphuso | jasticE: dselect or aptitude |
| 00:37.41 | bob2 | it's in the channel FAQ, iirc |
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| 00:38.25 | Spundun | bob2: yeah... should've guessed... I thought I skrewed up something special.. |
| 00:38.35 | rdancer | why doesn't ca-certificates from stable include a thawte certificate that imaps://fetchmail.fm uses? |
| 00:38.47 | Spundun | no... just should've guessed... |
| 00:38.56 | angler- | rdancer, found the fix... must run it like so "mozilla-thunderbird -a thunderbird" |
| 00:39.13 | jasticE | ah, i have this funny problem with aptitude. i accidentally selected many packages that i don't want to install. how can i quickly revert it to having only the currently installed packages selected? |
| 00:39.22 | bob2 | angler-: has someone reported that bug? |
| 00:39.22 | mentor | Linux has to build fine without any external deps...because it can't use them in kernel mode. |
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| 00:40.30 | rdancer | jasticE: just quit, don't confirm installing if it asks |
| 00:40.35 | Tzigane | Hi =) Can anyone give me a hint on getting GNOME's Rhythmbox to use xine-lib instead of gstreamer? |
| 00:40.37 | rdancer | jasticE: or you may rtfm |
| 00:40.55 | bob2 | Tzigane: is that possible? |
| 00:41.03 | Tzigane | bob2: allegedly =) |
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| 00:41.14 | bob2 | Tzigane: try #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 00:41.20 | bob2 | also, "but why?" |
| 00:41.26 | Tzigane | Good idea.. |
| 00:41.31 | Tzigane | Cos gstreamer's really buggy |
| 00:41.32 | rdancer | Tzigane: rewrite the code and/or makefile |
| 00:41.34 | mentor | totem-xine and totem-gstreamer might help? |
| 00:41.45 | Tzigane | Hmm, good point |
| 00:41.57 | directhex | Tzigane, it's a compile-time setting |
| 00:41.57 | Tzigane | Well I have totem-xine installed |
| 00:41.59 | jasticE | rdancer: i did quit, i even reinstalled it. but it appears to save that information somehwere arcane to me. the fine manual has not given me hints on this subject yet, sadly. |
| 00:42.00 | mentor | althoughm totem-xine just died here. |
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| 00:42.06 | Tzigane | directhex: Ah.. I see... |
| 00:42.13 | Tzigane | Well I think I found some redhat rpms.... |
| 00:42.17 | Tzigane | Maybe I'll just alien those |
| 00:42.23 | directhex | Tzigane, try gstreamer 0.8 and rhythmbox 0.8 from sid, it's _MUCH_ improved |
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| 00:42.40 | superflea | Hi |
| 00:42.51 | superflea | Can anyone suggest a good reasonably secure ftp server? |
| 00:42.57 | superflea | is wu-ftpd good? |
| 00:43.06 | Tzigane | directhex: That's what I'm using =) It's much worse: every few tracks, the sound is either full-volume static, or the audio is play-for-a-second-pause-for-a-second |
| 00:43.11 | Tzigane | protfpd |
| 00:43.13 | rdancer | jasticE: it's somewhere in the menus, or on a keystroke that the context help will tell you |
| 00:43.14 | Tzigane | Sorry.. proftpd |
| 00:43.22 | superflea | Tzigane: thanks |
| 00:43.23 | rdancer | jasticE: i haven't used aptitude for years, but it could do that iirc |
| 00:43.42 | Tzigane | superflea: No worries =) Have fun |
| 00:43.49 | directhex | Tzigane, weird, recent versions of rhytmbox/gstreamer have been really much better for me. gstreamer/rhythmbox 0.6 were really awful for me |
| 00:43.52 | mentor | rdancer: What do you use? |
| 00:43.55 | skeen | Guys, can you help me with something? (Newbie here.) I understand that Debian is a GNU/Linux distribution, meaning it contains the Linux Kernel and tonnes of GNU programs. Now, Debian has around 900 developers; what exactly is it they are developing? The GNU programs already exist, as does the Linux Kernel. |
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| 00:44.09 | Spundun | caphuso: sorry I missed your earlier comment. so apt-get is lower-level tool... so what higher level tool should I use in future? |
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| 00:44.16 | Tzigane | directhex: That is weird... it's probably hardware related.. |
| 00:44.17 | bob2 | skeen: they produce .debs of that software |
| 00:44.17 | rich_ | skeen fourteen Hundred Packages |
| 00:44.20 | jasticE | rdancer i would expect it to, but that particular button seems to keep eluding me ;) |
| 00:44.24 | bob2 | skeen: and glue it all together so they work nicely |
| 00:44.37 | Spundun | caphuso: to avoid this pain, I mean. |
| 00:44.39 | directhex | skeen, the gnu utilities in the gnu/linux os aren't enough to get much done. they work on packaging up tens of thousands of other things, for the 11 supported architectures |
| 00:44.40 | bob2 | skeen: for example, all window managers in Debian use the same list of software to generate their windows |
| 00:44.43 | Tzigane | directhex: I've recently done a dist-upgrade, and that didn't fix anything either (doh!) |
| 00:44.57 | rdancer | jasticE: you may unselect them one-by-one |
| 00:45.04 | directhex | Tzigane, file bugs. i've filed gstreamer bugs before, the maintainer's a nice guy |
| 00:45.06 | teemuki | superflea: I'd prefer vsftpd |
| 00:45.13 | bob2 | rdancer: closer to 14 000 |
| 00:45.28 | rdancer | jasticE: using the clipboard as a macro register |
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| 00:45.34 | rich_ | Oops sorry I mean fourteen thousand packages |
| 00:45.38 | rich_ | bob2 thanks |
| 00:45.44 | Tzigane | directhex: Hmm, I'm not sure if they'd be useful =) I have no idea how to replicate it, it seems semi-random. Not sure how I can trace it |
| 00:45.53 | skeen | OK, so they basically develop the installer - in a way, and make sure it is compatible with the 11 different architectures? Basically making sure that it is widely comptatible? |
| 00:45.55 | jasticE | rdancer: that was the solution i was trying to avoid |
| 00:46.00 | rdancer | bob2: what? |
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| 00:46.15 | superflea | teemuki: is it in debian? |
| 00:46.26 | rich_ | skeen In debian stability is job one. |
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| 00:46.34 | rdancer | jasticE: it *is* there, however. you just have to search better |
| 00:46.35 | trisco | jasticE: did you try "f"? |
| 00:46.39 | teemuki | superflea: yes |
| 00:46.46 | jasticE | trisco: yes |
| 00:46.58 | superflea | teemuki: neat. thx |
| 00:46.58 | bob2 | rdancer: sorry, not you |
| 00:47.15 | rdancer | bob2: ah. |
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| 00:47.25 | bob2 | skeen: no, that's not what anyone said: they develop the packages of that software, making it work together smoothly, and on all of Debian'architectures |
| 00:47.39 | teemuki | superflea: kernel.org, openbsd.org + others use it too |
| 00:47.39 | angler- | bob2, just found a bug report a couple days for it which it has been fixed in the latest version |
| 00:47.44 | YWFN | Hi I am getting a /dev/hdc is not a valid block device msg and I am not sure whats wrong (yes their is a cd-rom inside) |
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| 00:47.56 | YWFN | can anyone help please |
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| 00:48.17 | skeen | Hm, OK, I think I understand. What I dont get though, is how these developers are able to dedicate so much time to this project. |
| 00:48.20 | rdancer | YWFN: bad cd |
| 00:48.30 | bob2 | angler-: cool |
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| 00:48.41 | bob2 | skeen: some of them don't, some of them work full time |
| 00:48.43 | rdancer | YWFN: or audio cd, maybe? |
| 00:48.51 | bob2 | even an hour a week average times 900 is a lot |
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| 00:48.57 | pmo | hello, does any1 know a tool which may uncompress files transparently.. ? like browsing tar.. gzed files or zipped etc ? |
| 00:49.01 | jasticE | anyway, none of the keystrokes listed in the help seem to apply.. |
| 00:49.09 | YWFN | rdancer I did try a couple |
| 00:49.21 | skeen | What about the guys on top? |
| 00:49.29 | skeen | The "main" guys, who run the show? |
| 00:49.31 | VolVE | hey all, so I wanted to update MySQL on my sarge box, but it was held back in the upgrade, so I used 'apt-get -su isntall mysql-server' and it said it required exim... am I missing something... why does a SQL database require a [specific] mailer ?! :-/ |
| 00:49.35 | bob2 | skeen: there are no main guys |
| 00:49.37 | rdancer | YWFN: modprobe cdrom |
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| 00:50.14 | skeen | What programming language do the developers use? C++? |
| 00:50.17 | bob2 | skeen: there are people who happen to do some of the most important work, but they are only in that position because they do some of the most important work. |
| 00:50.20 | bob2 | skeen: any. |
| 00:50.25 | TheBlueWizard | pmo: tar has a switch that lets you uncompress gzipped file...IIRC it is the z option |
| 00:50.45 | jasticE | pmo: i think mc does what you want - among other things |
| 00:50.47 | bob2 | VolVE: er, it almost certainly doesn't, it would just require a MTA, with exim as the default. |
| 00:50.51 | bob2 | just install one |
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| 00:51.11 | YWFN | rdancer:no such module..but dmesg shows hdc:VERBATIM CD.... |
| 00:51.14 | Tzigane | pmo: GNOME's file-roller does too, it's quite good |
| 00:51.21 | zepp157 | any recommendations for a basic http proxy on debian? |
| 00:51.24 | skeen | Open Source is extremely interesting. :) Does anyone know where I might be able to learn about machine code? Id like to understand what a compiler generates. |
| 00:51.25 | pmo | TheBlueWizard, i thought of something.. like a module for the kernel... something which does this transparently... |
| 00:51.30 | VolVE | bob2: I already have one on this server, it's my freakin' mail server for crying out loud! :-/ (qmail) |
| 00:51.41 | lrdMyren | isnt there some option for samba which lets you use user permisions between systems? |
| 00:51.41 | rich_ | skeen Besides university? |
| 00:51.43 | dub | has the kde package changed, if I apt-get install kde it doesnt work |
| 00:51.54 | dub | im sure i did apt-get install kde last week |
| 00:51.54 | skeen | rich_, yes. :D |
| 00:51.55 | rdancer | YWFN: hm, i'm lost then 8( |
| 00:52.00 | pmo | i have heard of something like this.. but i cannot find it... |
| 00:52.04 | bob2 | zepp157: squid |
| 00:52.08 | bob2 | VolVE: haha |
| 00:52.20 | pmo | Tzigane, it works transparently ... at console level.. |
| 00:52.24 | VolVE | bob2: yeah... <sigh> |
| 00:52.27 | bob2 | dub: "doesn't work"? can you be4 more vague please? |
| 00:52.28 | zepp157 | bob2: cool thanks |
| 00:52.31 | rich_ | skeen google for "free software foundation" they have a lot of essays |
| 00:52.38 | bob2 | VolVE: use equivs to make a fake mail-transport-agent package |
| 00:52.39 | mentor | rdancer: What do you use [as a package management tool]? |
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| 00:52.41 | trisco | pmo: not zless right? |
| 00:52.48 | YWFN | rdancer:I think I compiled CD support in the kernel so there shouldn't be any module |
| 00:52.52 | TheBlueWizard | pmo: for user space stuff (compressed files, etc), kernel doesn't do that at all...are you thinking of compressed filesystems like DoubleSpace? |
| 00:52.53 | bob2 | or install qmail from the debian package |
| 00:52.54 | paokouran | i just installed jack and ardour works fine but my soundcrad stay on 48000khz how can i return to 44100(with alsa and xfce4) |
| 00:52.56 | rdancer | mentor: why? |
| 00:52.59 | skeen | Thanks, rich_. |
| 00:53.07 | mentor | rdancer: I just wondered... |
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| 00:53.21 | rich_ | skeen No problem. And Im not sure I spelkled software correctly |
| 00:53.23 | dub | bob2, package kde is not available but is suggested by another.. |
| 00:53.36 | justin | sure makes more sense to run irc on the machine with a load of zero then the one with a load of 5 :-) |
| 00:53.48 | rdancer | mentor: dpkg, of course ;) |
| 00:53.54 | bob2 | dub: on sid? |
| 00:53.57 | mentor | rdancer: ok |
| 00:53.58 | dub | bob2, sarge |
| 00:54.01 | mentor | rdancer: What do you use [as a package management management tool]? |
| 00:54.14 | teemuki | paokouran: I believe you have to change the frequency in jack configuration |
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| 00:54.22 | VolVE | bob2: hmm, thanks for the tip :) |
| 00:54.24 | pmo | TheBlueWizard, no.. i expected something like.. you compress a file.. but if you want to read .. it is uncompressed on the fly by this module.. (kernel module ? ) and then any application could acccess those files transparently |
| 00:54.30 | rich_ | justin Seems to me, Id put the big load on the least loaded. Ir c is a small load so I wouldnt mind putting it on the most loaded computer |
| 00:54.30 | paokouran | i did teem |
| 00:54.33 | bob2 | dub: I really really doubt kde is uninstallable on sarge, check the btsd |
| 00:54.34 | paokouran | nothing cha,ged |
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| 00:54.58 | pmo | i think i head about something like that.. but i can't find the name .. of this software.. |
| 00:55.00 | dub | bob2, btsd? |
| 00:55.08 | bob2 | bts. |
| 00:55.17 | bob2 | mentor: not on all architectures |
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| 00:55.36 | mentor | bob2: Well, no, but I meant 'at all' |
| 00:55.44 | justin | rich_: well the heavily loaded box is a poweredge with ultra160 scsi disks, just no ram, this is a insanely fast desktop with a gig of ram but I'm booting it off nfs:) |
| 00:56.02 | rich_ | justin Oh I see |
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| 00:56.53 | mentor | justin: Maybe you should put the RAM in the PE. |
| 00:57.14 | mentor | rdancer: Well, you said you hadn't used aptitude in ages, so I wondered what you used instead.... |
| 00:57.17 | justin | mentor: i doubt they are the same type :-) |
| 00:57.20 | rich_ | justin That makes sence. My own computer is a laptop with not a fast hard drive, but ram can really solve all problems. |
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| 00:57.26 | WiFiTux | Can I do startx --:2 and have a new gnome window? it works? |
| 00:57.31 | mentor | rdancer: I assume you don't use dpkg exclusively. |
| 00:57.37 | rdancer | mentor: aptitude in woody is just too crashy |
| 00:57.37 | mentor | justin: drat. |
| 00:57.53 | justin | rich_: yeah, before I realized I could just make an nfsroot for this box I was running off a knoppix cd... I think it had the entire cd cached in ram |
| 00:57.55 | mentor | rdancer: Yes, it's still a bit iffy... |
| 00:58.05 | mentor | rdancer: Just apt then? |
| 00:58.10 | TheBlueWizard | pmo: AFAIK there is no such transparent decompression code that sits between the file in question and *any* application....of course it may be possible to cook up a special plug in code that an app that is designed to accept it as a plug in would do the job...but "any" apps? no |
| 00:58.23 | skeen | It seems as though all the really "cool" stuff has been developed by people in Universities and Colleges, are there any non-academics who have made great advances in computing and software? I suck at Science, and cant get a place in University for Computer Science, which bums me out. But I feel I am more than capable of learning the same things by myself. |
| 00:58.48 | TheBlueWizard | pmo: it is really a system/application architecture issue |
| 00:58.52 | rich_ | justin I only have half a gig of ram but by useing tmfs and no swap I can make it go very fast |
| 00:59.02 | rich_ | justin I mean tmpfs |
| 00:59.08 | directhex | skeen, wiliam gates the 3rd didn;'t get a comsci degree |
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| 00:59.24 | mentor | pmo: The GNOME VFS might do this... |
| 00:59.27 | rdancer | mentor: nice, but 50% of time it just crashes, so i have to re-select what i just have been selecting. hours of work wasted. no, thanks |
| 00:59.35 | pmo | TheBlueWizard, yep.. i thought i heard one of such kind of tool and i know that since 2.6 this might be possible... |
| 00:59.42 | mentor | rdancer: yes. |
| 00:59.45 | rdancer | mentor: apt, yes. with show-recommends it's workable. i use aptitude for viewing dependences, sometimes, though |
| 00:59.48 | mentor | rdancer: So you just use apt then? |
| 00:59.51 | mentor | ah |
| 00:59.56 | superflea | skeen: i don't see why you need "science" to do computer science. Are you good at math? |
| 01:00.01 | mentor | rdancer: Thanks :) |
| 01:00.02 | pmo | mentor, yep but at graphical level.. i suppose ? |
| 01:00.22 | mentor | pmo: Well, if the GNOME VFS does it...then a GNOME VFS viewer will... |
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| 01:00.43 | billybob | Question: is there some way to reconstruct some form of a package tree from pre existing downloaded packages ? |
| 01:00.58 | rdancer | skeen: maybe you've heard of that pesky ``UNIX'' thing.. |
| 01:01.21 | skeen | Im only average at Math, average as in C-grade. But I know alot about computing, web development: php, mysql... xhtml, web standards and accessibility, and the likes. Im also learning C++, and am doing very well thus far. |
| 01:01.29 | pmo | mentor, i gonna see thanks.. |
| 01:01.45 | TheBlueWizard | pmo: though I am not familiar with 2.6 features (yet), but kernel generally doesn't manage the internal formats of files (and that includes [de]compression) |
| 01:01.46 | bob2 | billybob: dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages |
| 01:01.49 | bob2 | in a dir of .debs |
| 01:02.13 | rdancer | mentor: heh, np 8) |
| 01:02.21 | directhex | i got rejected by imperial college |
| 01:02.24 | billybob | bob2: does that make correct paths ect ? |
| 01:02.31 | dub | whats the easiest way to check the bts |
| 01:02.38 | bob2 | billybob: nope |
| 01:02.40 | dub | http? or otherwise |
| 01:02.42 | bob2 | you don't need them |
| 01:02.46 | directhex | bugs.debian.org/packagename |
| 01:02.46 | bob2 | dub: htp |
| 01:02.49 | mentor | directhex: Didn't have the grade to get rejected by a proper University, eh? ;) |
| 01:03.26 | pmo | TheBlueWizard, no but 2.6.. provides many informations about files on use at user level.. |
| 01:03.32 | billybob | bob2: so basicly that just reads the availible packages in any given directory, and lets you know what you can isntall eh ? |
| 01:03.34 | directhex | mentor, cambridge has an ass rep for comsci. i never bothered applying. i made my offer from warwick (aabb), but preferred southampton |
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| 01:03.53 | skeen | In enroled in "CISCO Networking Academy" today, what do you guys think of this course?: http://www.lewisham.ac.uk/courses/course_view.asp?id=361 |
| 01:04.06 | robn | hi debians? how do u upgrade just one package with apt-get ??? |
| 01:04.07 | mentor | directhex: I wasn't applying for CompSci; I was applying for Mathematics. |
| 01:04.22 | bob2 | billybob: no |
| 01:04.25 | robn | hi debians? how do u upgrade just one package with apt-get ??? |
| 01:04.25 | directhex | mentor, ew :/ |
| 01:04.27 | billybob | bob2: basicly what im trying to do is setup some form of a custom cd type thing i can use to install the same stuff on several PCS |
| 01:04.27 | pmo | TheBlueWizard, you can get the name of the file called by an application.. etc... |
| 01:04.27 | TheBlueWizard | pmo: sorry I can't say further regarding 2.6 |
| 01:04.31 | bob2 | robn: apt-get install blah |
| 01:04.35 | bob2 | robn: and stop repeating |
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| 01:04.41 | bob2 | billybob: then you should have said that: debian-cd |
| 01:04.45 | robn | and install = upgrade ? |
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| 01:04.59 | robn | what if an onld wersion is still there? |
| 01:05.03 | pmo | TheBlueWizard, and also i think i heard of such a tool.. maybe not working like this (with the kernel).. but.. |
| 01:05.03 | mentor | superflea: Welcome, here is your tie. |
| 01:05.06 | directhex | robn, in the circumstance you've outlined, yes. which is why we said it |
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| 01:05.14 | robn | thx |
| 01:05.16 | bob2 | robn: you know, you could just try it instead of making me explain every little detail |
| 01:05.17 | superflea | mentor: thank you. I'll wear it proudly |
| 01:05.18 | mentor | directhex: yeah, belrgh back at you. |
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| 01:05.32 | billybob | bob2: but i just did ;) and thanks |
| 01:05.39 | robn | not enought brains here |
| 01:05.49 | dub | hmm, apparently all kde packages are lost in sarge, might be worth of an apt news item (woulde have saved me some time) |
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| 01:05.55 | mentor | o-o: Well. You don't get a tie then. |
| 01:06.01 | robn | give me part of ur grey matter and i wont ask any questions |
| 01:06.13 | o-o | mentor: do they give out ties? I never got one anywhere! |
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| 01:06.30 | mentor | heh |
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| 01:06.38 | Teakk | I downloaded the .dsc, .tar.gz, and .diff for a debain file(used apt-get source)...what do I use to build that now? dpkg --buildpkg or something...cant remember |
| 01:06.39 | justin | !+info kdebase sarge |
| 01:06.41 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.2.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 01:06.48 | KurtSteinkraus | hi all, I'm having trouble getting gcc to find shared libraries, anyone have expertise to help? |
| 01:07.13 | tomb0y | what would cause this when i start up.. root = doesnt point to right path, i have 2 kernels.. one kernel boots up fine, other kernel i just made gives that.. both using lilo as a bootloader |
| 01:07.18 | bob2 | Teakk: dpkg-source -x blah.dsc ; cd blah ; dpkg-buildpackage -r fakeroot |
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| 01:07.32 | dub | bug #269380 |
| 01:07.39 | bob2 | KurtSteinkraus: by "shared libraries" you mean "libraries you built yourself and dumped in some random dir"? |
| 01:07.42 | scarynetworkguy | tomb0y: welcome to initrd hell |
| 01:07.53 | bob2 | tomb0y: you built it wrong |
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| 01:07.55 | KurtSteinkraus | bob2: by shared libraries, I mean stuff installed in /usr/lib by a debian package |
| 01:08.09 | bob2 | tomb0y: try again and include support for your IDE/scsi controller and root filesystem |
| 01:08.16 | bob2 | KurtSteinkraus: did you install the corressponding -dev package? |
| 01:08.18 | tomb0y | bob2: how can a kernel define where the root path is?? thats where im lost on. |
| 01:08.27 | directhex | mentor, my tie rocks |
| 01:08.50 | o-o | tomb0y: via chroot? |
| 01:08.55 | directhex | mentor, respect teh tie http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~ajf101/photos/graduation/img_1709.jpg |
| 01:09.00 | KurtSteinkraus | bob2: the file /usr/lib/libcblas.so.3.0, for instance, exists, and ldconfig reports it as being in the cache, ... |
| 01:09.01 | pmo | TheBlueWizard, or maybe options like LD_PRELOAD :) |
| 01:09.15 | KurtSteinkraus | bob2: but "gcc -o test -lcblas test.c" doesn't find it |
| 01:09.16 | bob2 | KurtSteinkraus: yes, but if you're building osftware, that doesn't help you |
| 01:09.18 | bob2 | 11:08:17 bob2 | KurtSteinkraus: did you install the corressponding -dev package? |
| 01:09.24 | scarynetworkguy | tomb0y: that is *not* the problem bob2 already told you what the problem. It is throwing that error because it can't mount your / partition and for obvious reasons if it can't mount it it can't see it. |
| 01:09.24 | tomb0y | o-o: nah, not using chroot or anything, |
| 01:09.35 | bob2 | tomb0y: it can't mount it |
| 01:09.46 | o-o | tomb0y: you mean the root volume? |
| 01:09.50 | tcsetattr | Kurt, there should be a .so symlink to the .so.3 (which is symlinked to .so.3.0) |
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| 01:10.09 | bob2 | yes, the .so link is IN THE -DEV PACKAGE |
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| 01:10.35 | TheBlueWizard | pmo: I told you I am not familiar with 2.6...bug someone else |
| 01:10.36 | tomb0y | bob2: yea i know thats what the errors is.. only possible symptoms could be is doesnt support the filesystem? or the onboard ide controller isnt built into kernel? would there be possibly anything else? |
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| 01:10.46 | bob2 | tomb0y: just fix those, please? |
| 01:10.47 | scarynetworkguy | directhex: damn nice tie. :) |
| 01:10.50 | o-o | directhex: was that a BA degree? |
| 01:10.54 | bob2 | 99.9% of the time that's the problem |
| 01:11.01 | bob2 | and further debugging is a waste of time until you fix that |
| 01:11.05 | o-o | typically I thought they would give you a hood instead. |
| 01:11.06 | directhex | o-o, BSc |
| 01:11.20 | o-o | ahh.... |
| 01:11.27 | directhex | o-o, the tie isn't part of anything formal, i just like it |
| 01:12.01 | Teakk | dvdauthor: Depends: libmagick5.5.7 but it is not installable <-- I tried compiling 5.5.7.9 from the source(retrieved from debian.org), and it errors out whle compiling...anyone have any other ideas on getting it installed? |
| 01:12.17 | KurtSteinkraus | bob2: I have, for instance, atlas3-sse-dev installed, which among other things has /usr/lib/sse/libcblas.{a,so,so.3,so.3.0} |
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| 01:12.33 | Teakk | the actual .deb of libmagick5.5.7 does not exist |
| 01:12.43 | bob2 | KurtSteinkraus: which is not what it will be linked against |
| 01:12.48 | bob2 | you need the .so in /usr/lib |
| 01:12.51 | o-o | directhex: see mine at http://lameter.com/grad.jpg |
| 01:12.52 | zignig | bob2: bleh! |
| 01:13.14 | justin | Teakk: why dont you try building dvdauthor |
| 01:13.17 | tomb0y | bob2: the filesystem is ext2, which just did make menuconfig and its in there, and the onboard is VIA which that is also set to be built in. |
| 01:13.18 | mentor | directhex: Nice, tie. No blue LEDs tho'. Pity about the wearer too... |
| 01:13.32 | bob2 | tomb0y: not as a module? |
| 01:13.54 | KurtSteinkraus | bob2: if /usr/lib/sse is in /etc/ld.so.conf, why wouldn't it link against libraries in there? |
| 01:13.57 | Teakk | justin, tried...says it needs libmagick5.5.7 as well |
| 01:14.06 | tomb0y | bob2: correct, i typically build stuff within, not modules |
| 01:14.21 | bob2 | KurtSteinkraus: ld.so.conf is used by the runtime dynamic linker, not by the compile-time one |
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| 01:14.41 | bob2 | tomb0y: are you providing the correct root= option in lilo.conf or whatever? |
| 01:14.44 | KurtSteinkraus | bob2: so I need /usr/lib/libcblas.so, and /usr/lib/libcblas.so.3 won't do? |
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| 01:15.17 | tomb0y | bob2: yes /dev/hda5 like i said one kernel works, other doesnt, so it couldnt be that. |
| 01:15.32 | bob2 | !+find libcblas.so |
| 01:15.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libcblas.so' (5 shown; 12 total): (/usr/lib/{libcblas.so.3|libcblas.so.3.0}) in libs/atlas3-base ;; (/usr/lib/{libcblas.so.2|libcblas.so.2.3}) in libs/atlas2-base ;; (/usr/lib/sse/{libcblas.so.3|libcblas.so.3.0}) in libs/atlas3-sse ;; (/usr/lib/libcblas.so) in devel/atlas2-base-dev,devel/atlas3-base-dev ;; (/usr/lib/sse/{libcblas.so.2|libcblas.so.2.3}) in libs/atlas2-sse. |
| 01:15.39 | KRONOS | how do i start mysqldb 4.0 ( i downloaded the binary it works but idk how to start it now that i rebooted) |
| 01:15.40 | bob2 | tomb0y: paste your lilo.conf to #flood |
| 01:16.08 | bob2 | KurtSteinkraus: install atlas2-base-dev |
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| 01:17.12 | KurtSteinkraus | bob2: thanks for the tip; I'd like to use atlas3 if possible, and it turns out that specifying -L/usr/lib/sse allows the linker to get at those shared libraries, so I'm going to do that |
| 01:17.16 | KurtSteinkraus | bob2: thanks for your help! |
| 01:17.34 | bob2 | er, atlas3-base-dev |
| 01:17.41 | rugliaf | Hi, anyone know how I can configure a nvidia geforce 4 420 go card/get drivers for it without using the vesa drivers? |
| 01:18.05 | bob2 | !+geforce4 |
| 01:18.05 | dpkg | it has been said that geforce4 is Unfortunately, GeForce4 cards are not supported by XFree86 4.1, which is in woody. You can either get X4.2 (/msg dpkg x4.2 woody backport), or get the non-Free nvidia drivers (/msg dpkg nvidia) or use the 'vesa' driver. or upgrade to testing |
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| 01:18.28 | lrdMyren | how do i set samba up to accept unix permisions? |
| 01:18.31 | tomb0y | bob2: pasted |
| 01:18.33 | tomb0y | bob2: the 0827 one works, the 0902 doesnt |
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| 01:19.12 | rugliaf | Thank you. |
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| 01:19.42 | bob2 | tomb0y: what exactly does the kernel say? |
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| 01:20.59 | iratsu | how do i find the gateway and netmask of my computer? |
| 01:21.23 | FlimFlamMan | can someone point me to debian-specific docs for getting ssl on apache2 running? (debian-testing) |
| 01:22.05 | dub | iratsu, /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 01:22.19 | tomb0y | bob2: i dont have exact msg, im in a remote location, i sent a msg to person at box, waiting for a response, was just informed it had to do with root doesnt point to right path |
| 01:22.36 | bob2 | iratsu: "ip route" or "route -n" |
| 01:22.43 | iratsu | dub: i suppose netmask is after Mask:, but where's gateway? |
| 01:22.48 | tomb0y | bob2: is it possible to kinda decompile a kernel to see what options are compiled into it? so i can stare and comprea the differences if any. |
| 01:23.02 | bob2 | tomb0y: if you used make-kpkg, look in /boot |
| 01:23.29 | tomb0y | bob2: i didnt, i dl tar from kernel.org and build from scratch, been doin that for 5 years now. |
| 01:24.07 | robn | how do i find a working non-free and contrib in your /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get flash-plugin ???? |
| 01:24.16 | tcsetattr | tomb0y, zcat /proc/config.gz |
| 01:24.16 | bob2 | er, ok, but that doesn't stop you using make-kpkg. |
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| 01:24.35 | robn | friends |
| 01:24.40 | bob2 | robn: add the words "contrib non-free" at the end of your debian mirror line in sources.listy |
| 01:24.44 | bob2 | robn: stop being so whiney |
| 01:25.10 | tomb0y | tcsetattr: /proc/config.gz doesnt exist |
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| 01:25.37 | tcsetattr | tomb0y, sounds like you're screwed then. /proc/config.gz is a config option |
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| 01:25.48 | robn | bob2 is there a refernce to support the advice to read more / |
| 01:25.52 | robn | bob2 is there a refernce to support the advice to read more ? |
| 01:26.40 | bob2 | read more about what? |
| 01:26.57 | tomb0y | tcsetattr: yea what happened is yesterday power went out on box in middle of a make bzImage, which then corrupted my kernel source dir, which broke my saved configuration for the working one :/ |
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| 01:28.37 | nevyn | can some vim guru tell me how to make vim cindent respect tabstop? |
| 01:28.38 | scarynetworkguy | robn: do not every fucking msg me again. That is the 3rd or 4th time. STOP FUCKING DOING THAT YOU FUCKING RETARD |
| 01:28.56 | tomb0y | is there anything inside a kernel config that could say to load the ide devices into a diff order ? |
| 01:29.07 | tcsetattr | nevyn, I don't use cindent but I expect it would folow shiftwidth (:set sw=2) |
| 01:29.14 | nevyn | scarynetworkguy: umm there's this thing called ignore |
| 01:29.17 | nevyn | tcsetattr: thanks |
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| 01:29.45 | nevyn | tcsetattr: that works. |
| 01:29.56 | scarynetworkguy | nevyn: and it does not stop msgs :| |
| 01:30.26 | bob2 | yes it does |
| 01:30.32 | bob2 | unless your IRC cilent is amazingly shit |
| 01:30.37 | bob2 | robn: do not /msg people |
| 01:31.07 | KRONOS | MySQL Connection Failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) --- what do i have to do |
| 01:31.22 | FlimFlamMan | can someone point me to debian-specific docs for getting ssl on apache2 running? (debian-testing) |
| 01:31.34 | scarynetworkguy | bob2: hmm. may be a bad assumption on my part... |
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| 01:38.08 | hDy | hey guys, when I do apt-get update, it gives me the error that it can't open locked files |
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| 01:38.58 | The_Vulture | hDy: a) you need to be root b) you need to be the only one running it |
| 01:39.05 | iratsu | hello, i tried setting ym computer for a static IP within my LAN by modifying /etc/network/interfaces, then i rebooted, but i wasn't able to connect to the internet after that, can anyone help me with this? |
| 01:39.20 | hDy | ok |
| 01:39.37 | The_Vulture | iratsu: why did you try to set a static IP? and why did you reboot? and did you keep a copy of your original interfaces file? |
| 01:39.51 | Nosf3ratu | Sep 2 21:39:04 lenore portmap[11858]: connect from 192.168.1.77 to getport(mountd): request from unauthorized host |
| 01:40.01 | iratsu | The_Vulture: i switched it back now |
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| 01:40.06 | Nosf3ratu | What's that generally mean? |
| 01:40.19 | deepfrze | KRONOS, check your /etc/allow |
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| 01:40.21 | iratsu | The_Vulture: i need a static IP so my internal IP doesn't change |
| 01:40.23 | scarynetworkguy | iratsu: In flood paste your /etc/network/interfaces once again paste it in #flood *not* here |
| 01:40.51 | The_Vulture | iratsu: um.. your internet connection is your _external_ IP, which is the bit that would have caused your conn to succeed/fail |
| 01:40.57 | iratsu | scarynetworkguy: the one i used for static? |
| 01:41.04 | scarynetworkguy | iratsu: yup |
| 01:41.15 | The_Vulture | and the other one, just for fun (put a line between) |
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| 01:41.23 | scarynetworkguy | sure can't hurt |
| 01:42.05 | scarynetworkguy | The_Vulture: think I should have said "in flood" one more time? |
| 01:42.07 | scarynetworkguy | heh |
| 01:42.35 | iratsu | pasted |
| 01:42.38 | DJ-KING | http://www.ntk.net/media/dancemonkeyboy.mpg , LOOOOOOOOL |
| 01:43.08 | ugly | DJ-KING: you're only a couple years late with that one! |
| 01:43.16 | Nosf3ratu | nevermind, i'm retarded. |
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| 01:44.45 | Spongebob | Anyone know about the support of an Adaptec 1210SA Raid controller in a Debian box? would be greatly appreciated. |
| 01:44.48 | DJ-KING | ugly: hehehe , well i havent seen it before , i had that crazy other one " Developers , Developers , .... " looooooool |
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| 01:46.23 | dionysus | hey all, I was here yesterday asking about pci raid cards and ended up deciding on a 3ware card, but the machine it's going in won't be able to boot directly to it |
| 01:46.41 | stew | dionysus: are you sure it wont? |
| 01:46.45 | DJ-KING | ugly: are you the who is filming the " Bang Bus " movies |
| 01:47.00 | dionysus | can anyone tell me if 3ware provides boot floppies, or if I will need another hdd to act as a boot device |
| 01:47.10 | dionysus | Stew, yeah, sadly |
| 01:47.32 | stew | dionysus: you'll probably end with an ide drive just to have lilo then |
| 01:47.33 | dionysus | stew, it will be a dell dimension 2400, same as this one, and its bios is a bit gimped |
| 01:47.39 | mentor | What's the usual way to connect a subnet of public IPs to the internet using PPP (router, IP, and PPP IP configuration)? |
| 01:47.51 | stew | dionysus: doens't dell sell ide raid as on option? |
| 01:48.23 | dionysus | stew, I was sort of hoping to avoid that - the machine is destined for non-technical users and if the boot drive dies they aren't *that* much better off than with no raid |
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| 01:48.35 | mentor | They have CIRC controllers that use IDE. |
| 01:48.41 | mentor | Only on certain models though. |
| 01:49.00 | mentor | CERC even. |
| 01:49.18 | dionysus | stew, I was hoping to be able to tell them to just switch boot floppies for duplicates I'd pre-made if one died |
| 01:49.41 | stew | dionysus: you could certainly make a boot floopy that would be able to boot to it |
| 01:49.56 | dionysus | stew, they do, but we're on a tight budget....and dell doesn't offer RAID on any other than their higher-end machines |
| 01:50.42 | dionysus | stew, certainly? I would have assumed some co-operation with 3ware would have been needed |
| 01:51.08 | vA-GhoSt | {amsg} quelqu'un sait se connecter à un fserv avec xchat ? {amsg] |
| 01:51.14 | dionysus | stew, as far as the technical side of things goes. |
| 01:51.22 | stew | dionysus: 3ware drivers have been in the main kernel tree for a long time now, so just put a 3ware aware kenrel on the floppy |
| 01:51.50 | Spongebob | Anyone know about Serial ATA support + Linux? |
| 01:52.33 | stew | Spongebob: #debian-boot does |
| 01:52.42 | mentor | ~tell Spongebob about ask |
| 01:53.03 | Spongebob | that was pretty lame mentor. |
| 01:53.35 | dionysus | stew, hmm.....the POS system we've got is designed for windows...I was hoping to be able to set up the new hardware and try and get our POS software working under dosbox or something as two seperate operations.... |
| 01:53.36 | Spongebob | Anyone know about the support of an Adaptec 1210SA Raid controller in a Debian box? would be greatly appreciated. (SATA Raid 1/0 Controller) |
| 01:53.51 | mentor | Sorry, I'll refrain from trying to make your task of getting help easier in future. |
| 01:54.10 | stew | !anyone |
| 01:54.10 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 01:54.28 | mentor | Spongebob: If Linux supports it Debian will. |
| 01:54.37 | stew | dionysus: heh, i had to read that twice before i realized you were talking about point of sales, and not piece of shit |
| 01:54.47 | dionysus | stew, :) |
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| 01:54.55 | mentor | Spongebob: I don't know about that particular model, you will have to look it up yourself. |
| 01:55.06 | dionysus | stew, well, to be honest, either description fits the software we're using pretty well :( |
| 01:55.13 | Spongebob | mentor: is there a list of supported hardware with the new2.6.8 kernekl? |
| 01:55.44 | tomb0y | bob2: if youre still there or anyone.. im pasting full error that i receive trying to use this kernel to #flood |
| 01:55.47 | dionysus | stew, another little planned project of mine is to write a replacement for the whole damn thing, but that's not going to happen till I've got a *lot* more free time than I do now |
| 01:55.48 | stew | dionysus: the only experience i've had with dosbox or wine is that once i got to relive some of my youth playing ultima 3 in dosbox |
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| 01:55.55 | mentor | Spongebob: I'm sure there is somewhere...maybde in the Documenbtation directory of the source, mayeb someone else has compiled one. |
| 01:55.57 | Spongebob | Where would i look under make menuconfig's menu for SATA device support? |
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| 01:56.02 | dionysus | stew, :) cool |
| 01:56.17 | robn | bob2 is there a refernce to support the advice to read more ? |
| 01:56.25 | dionysus | stew, yeah well, the system itself is fairly simple, I'm thinking I should be able to get it working, but as I said, |
| 01:56.29 | maher | Spongebob: look in Documentation |
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| 01:56.47 | robn | was watching tv on bush speech |
| 01:56.59 | dionysus | stew, I'm probably going to stick with windows while I get the new machines up and running, then try to change over to debian |
| 01:57.05 | mentor | Spongebob: In the IDE section. |
| 01:57.30 | dionysus | stew, so 3ware doesn't actually supply an os-neutral bootloader disk or anything like that that you know of? |
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| 01:58.10 | stew | dionysus: not that i know of, but like i said, a bootdisk with a linux kernel will work |
| 01:58.12 | dionysus | stew, actually, would grub be able to help me do you think? |
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| 01:58.29 | stew | brb |
| 01:58.32 | dionysus | stew, yeah, but not help me boot to windows :( |
| 01:58.39 | dionysus | stew, cool |
| 01:59.46 | mentor | dionysus: Is there definately an issue with the BIOS extension on the 3ware card not being able to be accessed by the Dimension BIOS? |
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| 02:01.25 | dionysus | mentor, well, as I understand it to boot to a PCI RAID card, the bios has to have an option to boot to a SCSI device - all machines I've put together have had this option, but the dell machine doesn't seem to |
| 02:01.47 | dionysus | mentor, its boot order section of the bios just lists floppy, ide cdrom and ide hdd |
| 02:02.15 | mentor | dionysus: Well, usually the BIOS extension just registers another drive. |
| 02:02.23 | dionysus | mentor, haven't actually tried it, of course, as we're not buying the hardware till we know it will work :) |
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| 02:02.30 | mentor | dionysus: The BIOS doesn't really know the difference between SCSI and IDE... |
| 02:02.34 | Spongebob | does linux even suport SATA? |
| 02:02.35 | mentor | dionysus: Well, quite. |
| 02:02.40 | mentor | Spongebob: yes... |
| 02:02.50 | Spongebob | SATA Raid? |
| 02:02.54 | mentor | Spongebob: SATA is drop in compatible with PATA from the API POV. |
| 02:03.02 | mentor | SATA RAID is usaully transparent. |
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| 02:03.14 | mentor | Spongebob: The problem is supporting the additional chipsets... |
| 02:03.30 | bob2 | hahahahaha "sata raid" |
| 02:03.30 | Spongebob | thats really strange because my sarge net install isnt even picking up the harddrives |
| 02:03.35 | mentor | Spongebob: Sometimes they jsut have ot add more PCI IDs to the driver, sometimes more is required. But there definately is some support. |
| 02:03.35 | Spongebob | :( |
| 02:03.38 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 02:03.41 | bob2 | hah |
| 02:03.53 | Spongebob | bob2: you my friend are a dickhead. |
| 02:04.01 | mentor | Spongebob: Don't be abusive. |
| 02:04.11 | Spongebob | just returning the favour. |
| 02:04.14 | bob2 | Spongebob: http://linux.yyz.us/sata/faq-sata-raid.html |
| 02:04.17 | bob2 | Spongebob: fuck off. |
| 02:04.43 | mentor | Spongebob: No, he was laughing at SATA RAID. You were being abusive. |
| 02:05.00 | soapee01 | Anyone have any success with java and firefox? (tried sun java bin/rpm(alien to deb), and blackdown j2re1.4). Best I got was firefox to see plugin with sun java but crash at any java site. mtia |
| 02:05.10 | ScribbleJ | Is there any good reason my ssh sessions would lock up if left alone for several hours? |
| 02:05.20 | ScribbleJ | I'm on woody. |
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| 02:05.29 | mentor | Well, I would trust Linux's RAID more than 3ware's... ;) |
| 02:05.33 | bob2 | Spongebob: shitty firewalls, probably |
| 02:05.36 | bob2 | ScribbleJ: ^ |
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| 02:05.37 | maher | soapee01: you probably need a gcc3.x java |
| 02:05.45 | ScribbleJ | Ah, thanks, bob. |
| 02:05.51 | mentor | ScribbleJ: Does anything else lockup? |
| 02:05.55 | ScribbleJ | I didn't think it was my system. |
| 02:05.57 | mentor | ScribbleJ: CAn you reconnect easily? |
| 02:05.58 | ScribbleJ | No, everything else is fine. |
| 02:06.03 | bob2 | ie dropping NAT entires. |
| 02:06.08 | ScribbleJ | yes, reconnect fine -- well, I can connect fine from my home box. |
| 02:06.12 | bob2 | tho ssh should send keepalives |
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| 02:06.28 | soapee01 | maher: the sun page provides a plugin that is supposed to be 3.x java.... that's the one that crashed firefox |
| 02:06.31 | ScribbleJ | But not from my office. That should concern me. I'll have to talk to the hosting guys... but the guys who run the office firewall are idiots, too, so I shouldn't... eh, |
| 02:06.36 | ScribbleJ | nevermind, I run off at the keyboard. |
| 02:06.49 | ScribbleJ | Amyhow, you're probably right, I didn't think of the firewall. |
| 02:06.50 | Spongebob | bob2 i appologise - thankyou for answering my question directly and effecienntly |
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| 02:07.10 | maher | soapee01: ok - the 1.5 gcc3.x worked for me - try java-package |
| 02:07.28 | bob2 | ScribbleJ: hm, perhaps not |
| 02:07.40 | bob2 | it seems ssh has keepalives enabled by default, so it shouldn't time out |
| 02:07.43 | Spongebob | bob2: you have solved my problem :) |
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| 02:07.53 | mentor | Spongebob: Do you object to reading an FAQ rather than making us answer them ourselves and wasting our time |
| 02:07.53 | mentor | ? |
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| 02:08.00 | maher | soapee01: you may need to apply random patches from the bts to get java-package t work on suns 1.5 |
| 02:08.02 | mentor | oh. |
| 02:08.04 | mentor | woah. |
| 02:08.05 | bob2 | mentor: I think he'she has repented already |
| 02:08.07 | mentor | Spongebob: Sorry. |
| 02:08.12 | bob2 | s,',/' |
| 02:08.14 | bob2 | bah |
| 02:08.20 | ScribbleJ | Hrm. |
| 02:08.22 | mentor | damn spiders. |
| 02:08.30 | novice | how can i copy the content of one file and redirect everything to another file? |
| 02:08.31 | ScribbleJ | Well, I wouldn't begin to knwo where to look, at least the firewalls is a place. |
| 02:08.32 | soapee01 | maher: not sure what the bts is? |
| 02:08.37 | maher | !bts |
| 02:08.37 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 02:08.42 | ScribbleJ | If I have time, I could even set up a sniffer to see what's going on. |
| 02:08.46 | st1650 | I'm buying a new prism54 wifi card; when I installed my old ipw2100, all I had to do was compile drivers and put firmware in the hotplug directory, is it the same for prism54? I don't want to recompile my kernel |
| 02:08.47 | novice | i tried to use cp file1 >> file2 |
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| 02:09.01 | maher | novice: cp file1 file2 |
| 02:09.03 | bob2 | novice: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:09.06 | Spongebob | mentor? |
| 02:09.12 | bob2 | Spongebob: www.prism54.org |
| 02:09.16 | bob2 | st1650: ^ |
| 02:09.16 | mentor | Spongebob: Never Mind, I made a mistake. |
| 02:09.23 | Spongebob | i never read taht doc before untill now... |
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| 02:09.34 | novice | bob2: i have a file. i would like to attach more information at the final of the file2 |
| 02:09.45 | Seb_ | how do I prevent cardmgr (i think it's him) to automaticall ifup eth1 when I insert my wifi pcmcia card ? And no, I don';t have 'auto eth1' in /etc/network/interfaces... |
| 02:09.47 | Spongebob | and i appreciate bob2 for pointing it out to me |
| 02:09.56 | bob2 | novice: cat file1 >> file2 |
| 02:10.00 | mentor | Or possibly softwar radio. |
| 02:10.09 | novice | bob2: almost there...thanks! :) |
| 02:10.28 | bob2 | wow, sanity ni the world, anwar ibrahim is free |
| 02:10.28 | bloom | maher: you just piqued my interest in trying out Java 1.5. Do you have any experience with what those random patches might be? |
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| 02:11.04 | Seb_ | so, no automatic ifup'ing on PCMCIA card insertion, anyone ? :> |
| 02:11.26 | maher | bloom: sun's java 1.5 shoudl work if you install it - but i wanted to make it into a deb - you may need to adjust java-package to get it to make a deb out of it |
| 02:11.30 | bob2 | eesh, if no one answers, it's not due to a conspiracy against you |
| 02:11.31 | soapee01 | maher: ok, no wonder apt-cache didn't ever see java-package... I'm running pure sarge. If possible I'd prefer to stay there. Any ideas? |
| 02:11.35 | bob2 | ask on the debian-laptop list |
| 02:12.02 | maher | soapee01: java-package is just some scripts it will install on sarge - if you don't mind using sun's installer you don't need it |
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| 02:12.21 | bloom | maher: well, I like to have .debs of everything that goes on the system if possible, so I was planning to use java-package. it says it supports java 1.5 |
| 02:12.32 | Seb_ | bob2: well, yeah,sure, but since lots of people are using laptops, i figured at least one person in here would know something like that |
| 02:12.45 | novice | bob2: bad news...i just destroyed my file2. actually i would like to add lines at the bottom of this file. cat file1 >> file2 erased all the content of my file2 and overwrote w/ the contents of file1 |
| 02:12.49 | bloom | soapee01: what was your specific problem with java 1.5 (ok, actually called java 5) |
| 02:12.49 | bob2 | Seb_: yet no one answered |
| 02:12.54 | Seb_ | bloom: that's what /usr/local or /opt is for |
| 02:12.56 | bob2 | novice: no it didn't |
| 02:12.58 | novice | bob2: i made a backup.... :) |
| 02:13.05 | maher | bloom: ok - maybe i'm misremembering - i had to futz with things at some point, but i played around with a bunch of things... |
| 02:13.14 | novice | bob2: so, where is the rest of the file?? |
| 02:13.20 | bob2 | novice: cat file1> file2 would overwrite file2, >> will apend the contents of file1 to it |
| 02:13.21 | Seb_ | bob2: bad timing, is all |
| 02:13.31 | novice | bob2: let me take a look again... |
| 02:13.38 | novice | bob2: got it.. |
| 02:13.39 | bloom | Seb_: I know that. |
| 02:13.47 | bloom | Seb_: and I have some software installed that way |
| 02:13.53 | maher | Seb: do you have an auto interfaces line for the pcmcia card? |
| 02:13.53 | bloom | Seb_: but I like to avoid that. |
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| 02:14.05 | Seb_ | maher: nope |
| 02:14.06 | obfucius | So what's the best way to get the mouse wheel to work for an IBM optical mouse with a PS/2 adapter (USB won't work with my motherboard) in kernel 2.6.7? |
| 02:14.10 | Seb_ | maher: that's what bothers me |
| 02:14.23 | Seb_ | obfucius: in X ? |
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| 02:14.28 | obfucius | yes |
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| 02:15.11 | obfucius | I tried everything in the mailing list archives too |
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| 02:15.19 | Seb_ | bob2: see, i know it was only bad timing :) |
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| 02:15.26 | obfucius | I think I need a new mouse |
| 02:15.31 | Seb_ | i'm sure i'll have better luck after the netsplit is over |
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| 02:15.38 | Seb_ | obfucius: probably not |
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| 02:15.51 | Seb_ | obfucius: try what I said, to start with |
| 02:15.57 | novice | bob__: it worked man...thanks! |
| 02:16.00 | bloom | soapee01: are you there? what was your specific problem with Java 5? |
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| 02:16.15 | bob2 | "Sixty-five per cent of those imprisoned under three strikes in California were convicted of non-violent crimes; 354 of them received 25-years-to-life sentences for petty theft of less than $250. " |
| 02:16.16 | TuxMeister | hy there! |
| 02:16.20 | bob2 | go cali! |
| 02:17.02 | obfucius | alright, thanks, I'll give it another try. I tried it with zaxismapping before and imps/2 but maybe I didn't setup the zaxismapping correctly |
| 02:17.06 | TuxMeister | my grub has crashed... how could i delete it and install lilo in the mbr (i'm more use to it)? please help, i'm really out of ideas |
| 02:17.07 | maher | bob2: afaik in ca writing a bad check for > $50 is technically a felony |
| 02:17.17 | Seb_ | obfucius: there are lots of examples out there, ask google |
| 02:17.26 | soapee01 | bloom: I was running java 1.4 |
| 02:17.27 | Seb_ | maher: any other ideas ? |
| 02:17.33 | bob2 | maher: yes, and if you do it three times you go to prison for 25 years without parole |
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| 02:17.37 | obfucius | hehe... yeah, I've ben asking google all day ;) |
| 02:17.40 | TuxMeister | my grub has crashed... how could i delete it and install lilo in the mbr (i'm more use to it)? please help, i'm really out of ideas. "msg" me |
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| 02:17.44 | maher | bob2: quite right too |
| 02:17.50 | bob2 | TuxMeister: stop being annoying |
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| 02:17.58 | bob2 | TuxMeister: your grub has not "crashed". |
| 02:18.01 | Seb_ | bob2: note that's it's up to the judges to decide about the length of the sentence. But they all seem to be assholes, from that statistic. |
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| 02:18.06 | soapee01 | bloom: now downloading java 5, and trying java-package (to heck w/vanilla sarge) and hoping it doesn't crash firefox... =) |
| 02:18.06 | srbaker | hey |
| 02:18.11 | bob2 | if you want to install lilo, run the "lilo" command |
| 02:18.11 | srbaker | anyone having sound problems with 2.6? |
| 02:18.14 | rich_ | bob2 I know people who left the country over petty stuff because they didnt want a third strike. Exhiled for selling pot. |
| 02:18.16 | maher | Seb: umm dig around in /etc/hotplug /pcmcia stuff |
| 02:18.19 | TuxMeister | sorry bob2 but i'm really in a trouble |
| 02:18.21 | srbaker | in just installed sarge with 2.6.7-1-386 |
| 02:18.27 | srbaker | sound's not working. it's being a cunt |
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| 02:18.39 | maher | TuxMeister: grab a boot disc, chroot to the hd, fix |
| 02:18.56 | bob2 | srbaker: if doscover didn't pick it up, btich at #debian-boot |
| 02:19.03 | srbaker | discover *did*\ |
| 02:19.03 | bob2 | rich_: ouch |
| 02:19.05 | freedom101 | srbaker how did you choose the distribution |
| 02:19.07 | Seb_ | maher: no such thing |
| 02:19.12 | bob2 | srbaker: then what's not working? |
| 02:19.13 | Seb_ | maher: hotplug doesn't manage pcmcia afaik |
| 02:19.16 | maher | Seb_: i dunno |
| 02:19.17 | bob2 | the module is just busted? |
| 02:19.23 | srbaker | bob2, mixer in gnome. any sound from gstreamer |
| 02:19.32 | srbaker | bob2, emu10k1 module is installed, so is snd_emu10k1. |
| 02:19.38 | srbaker | bob2, anything that uses alsa. OSS sound works |
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| 02:19.47 | rich_ | bob2 Its not so bad for them, its bad for the us economy |
| 02:19.48 | TuxMeister | bob2, it has crashed... it just doesn't boot... and i'm seeing that in the grub folder there's no file, except the splashscreen folder |
| 02:19.55 | dan2 | !botsnack |
| 02:19.55 | dpkg | dan2: aw, gee |
| 02:19.58 | bob2 | srbaker: you can't have both loaded |
| 02:20.01 | srbaker | oh |
| 02:20.07 | srbaker | then i must tell discover to not do oss |
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| 02:20.09 | bob2 | TuxMeister: no, that's not what crash means. |
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| 02:20.18 | deepfrze | obfucius, check here: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/suriya/kernel_2.6_migration.html |
| 02:20.19 | bob2 | TuxMeister: again, if you want to use lilo, just run the "lilo" command. |
| 02:20.39 | srbaker | bob2, is it possible ot tell discover not to load the OSS modules for sound? |
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| 02:20.47 | bob2 | rich_: $1 billion US/year for the 7.5K people in under that law |
| 02:21.04 | threefold | uhm, how do i set the system time location *eg GMT + 09:30* just got my system to do an ntp update and realised it is set at GMT, *cli tool preferable* |
| 02:21.14 | bob2 | threefold: tzconfig |
| 02:21.17 | rich_ | bob2 Yes, Its not as bad for the us economy as it would be if they stayed and went to prison, but its still bad |
| 02:21.23 | bob2 | srbaker: yes, but I don't know how |
| 02:21.45 | bob2 | srbaker: you could just add "snd-emu10k1" to /etc/modules |
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| 02:22.09 | srbaker | bob2, apparently installing alsa-base causes OSS to be blacklisted ;) |
| 02:22.28 | rich_ | bob2 and when they were trying to get the law passed they swore up and down it could only be applied to violant crimes |
| 02:22.32 | threefold | bob2: ty, perfect |
| 02:23.07 | bob2 | rich_: bleh, the majority of politicians make me sick |
| 02:23.13 | rich_ | False advertiseing should be grounds for haveing a law thrown out in court |
| 02:23.23 | bob2 | and if anyone in .au votes for howard again, I will break their legs personally |
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| 02:23.58 | soapee01 | maher: should I be using the rpm instead of the .bin for java-package? |
| 02:24.04 | maher | soapee01: no |
| 02:24.30 | mwilson | maher: Another one who can't be bothered to read the instructions on how to install Java? |
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| 02:24.51 | soapee01 | mwilson: I've read them to no end and googled for a couple of days. |
| 02:24.52 | maher | mwilson: java-package disagrees with certain ones |
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| 02:25.31 | maher | mwilson: soapee01 there is a patch in the bts to add some ones - lookat what they do an dyou should be able to fix it |
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| 02:25.41 | mwilson | maher: I've never seen the problem. If you must have Java, learn how to read, download one each .bin file, follow instructions, make one symlink, you're done. |
| 02:25.54 | Seb_ | ok, I nailed it, in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts; it's sorta stupid, it just checks if the card has no address yet, and if /sbin/ifup is executable, and if so it ifups it, not considering whether the interfaces file has "auto" or not |
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| 02:26.03 | mwilson | maher: Take maybe 5 minutes. |
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| 02:26.09 | maher | mwilson: i can't remember which one didn't work - i prefer my java as debs |
| 02:26.21 | deepfrze | soapee01, do yourself a favor and use the .bin file |
| 02:26.28 | bob2 | Seb_: if it doesn't do something you want, it's at least a wishlist bug |
| 02:26.47 | Seb_ | bob2: well, it does something I *explicitely* said I don't want :) |
| 02:27.02 | Seb_ | explicitely cuz I didn't put the 'auto' line in interfaces on purpose :) |
| 02:27.07 | deepfrze | soapee01, install java in /usr/local/... |
| 02:27.10 | mwilson | maher: It's a non-problem. |
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| 02:27.50 | soapee01 | mwilson deepfrze: I'm currently trying java-package with the .bin... it just fails. I've tried just running it and linking to the plugin directory. Crashes mozilla. Tried blackdown. no success. Tried j2re1.4 rpm from sun. bleh. Reading through the BPS as maher suggested looking for patches |
| 02:27.52 | Covener | Seb_: I think you're taking liberties with what auto means |
| 02:28.16 | bob2 | I wonder how dangerous it is to let outlook hit my imap server |
| 02:28.19 | maher | soapee01: what do you mean the sun installer fails |
| 02:28.39 | Seb_ | Covener: not putting auto in interfaces shouldn't result in an interface being automatically ifup'ed |
| 02:29.01 | mwilson | maher: Sounds more like he's using the gcc2 version of the plugin. |
| 02:29.15 | soapee01 | maher: the sun j2re1.4 installer works, however when I link it into the firefox plugin directory it hoses the browser. java-package is currently borking on java1.5**.bin |
| 02:29.16 | Covener | Seb_: It's being explicitly brought up by pcmcia, right? That's not what the auto tag is for |
| 02:29.17 | maher | mwilson: he said he wasn't |
| 02:29.43 | Seb_ | Covener: it's being *ifup'ed* by PCMCIA |
| 02:29.43 | deepfrze | soapee01, download the sun .bin file, and the install instructions, read install instructions, do what they say, etc |
| 02:29.43 | Seb_ | Covener: i don't see why that'd happen |
| 02:29.43 | Seb_ | Covener: or am I missing something ? |
| 02:30.08 | Seb_ | Covener: in other words, why doesn't pcmcia check for the presence of auto before ifup'ing my interface ? |
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| 02:30.16 | Covener | Seb_: auto only means "include in ifup -a, as done at system boot". |
| 02:30.23 | Nah | hey |
| 02:30.27 | Seb_ | Covener: k, I see |
| 02:30.35 | Seb_ | Covener: you're right |
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| 02:30.39 | Nah | im new |
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| 02:30.43 | Nah | to IRC |
| 02:30.50 | Nah | any one chat on IRQ? |
| 02:31.12 | Seb_ | Covener: nevertheless it would be smarter from PCMCIA to not only check of -x /sbin/ifup, but also for the presence of 'auto', right ? Or does that make no sense ? |
| 02:31.25 | Nah | hmm no one ever talks to me :( |
| 02:31.49 | cef_work | Nah: that's cos you're chattering on IRQ's and not irc or icq *8-P |
| 02:31.51 | Covener | Seb_: If i insert a network card, I might have noauto in my interfaces file because it obviously isn't always there when I boot. Does that mean I don't want it up when I insert it? |
| 02:32.19 | Seb_ | Covener: then what's the 'PCMCIA' way to say whether or not you want this or that interface to be brought up or not ? |
| 02:32.36 | Nah | hmm right |
| 02:32.52 | Nah | but people can see me writing? |
| 02:32.58 | Seb_ | Nah: yeah |
| 02:32.58 | sloopy | Nah: nope |
| 02:32.59 | cef_work | Nah: yup |
| 02:33.02 | Seb_ | heh |
| 02:33.05 | Nah | cool |
| 02:33.15 | Nah | i set up a computer just for irc |
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| 02:33.16 | sloopy | hmmm guess i was out voted... |
| 02:33.19 | Covener | Seb_: You could use a map script in the interfaces file to bail out under certain conditions, i'm not familiar really with short-circuiting the pcmcia startup |
| 02:33.19 | cef_work | Nah, Yeah, Maybe? |
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| 02:33.58 | Guerin | why is fetchmail so evil to set up on woody? |
| 02:34.04 | Guerin | fuckers |
| 02:34.16 | Guerin | want me to use an x-based configurator |
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| 02:35.12 | Nah | i was trying to set up a internet radio station with icecast its so complicated |
| 02:35.35 | Seb_ | Covener: i'm not really considering this short-circuiting, it sounds more like an actual configuration item |
| 02:35.39 | Covener | Seb_: maybe you could tinker w/ cardmgr startup and runit one-shot |
| 02:35.41 | obfucius | yeah! My mouse wheel works :) |
| 02:35.46 | Seb_ | Covener: i'm just not sure where that'd take place |
| 02:35.50 | bob2 | Guerin: eh? you can jus make ~/.fetchmailrc yourself |
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| 02:36.10 | Covener | Seb_: Don't do anything when card w/ mac xx:xx:xx:xx:xx is inserted? You'd have to hack it in to the network startup script in /etc/pcmcia |
| 02:36.11 | obfucius | thanks Seb_ ;) |
| 02:36.19 | Seb_ | Covener: well I already 'fixed' it in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts, but that's dirty :> |
| 02:36.44 | Seb_ | Covener: I just can't believe that all pCMCIA users systematically want their card brought up when they insert it |
| 02:36.48 | Seb_ | or am I mistaken ? :> |
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| 02:37.14 | cef_work | Guerin: there is the great tool for creating .fetchmailrc files, perhaps you've heard of it? It's called vi. *grin* |
| 02:37.25 | Seb_ | I guess I'll eventually take bob2's suggestion it, and ask the question on debian-laptop |
| 02:37.33 | Guerin | bob2: yeah, I know. But who the fuck writes a configurator which requires X? Why not just write one into the debconf scripts? |
| 02:37.35 | Nah | any one now any free software for making a internet radio station |
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| 02:37.39 | Covener | Seb_: It doesn't sound that unnatural. On my thinkpad I check mii-tool to see if the wired iface is up, and if it is my ifup on my wireless is just a noop |
| 02:37.42 | Guerin | cef_work: fie upon your vi! |
| 02:37.43 | Seb_ | cef_work: oops, you made a typo. You meant emacs |
| 02:37.57 | Nah | emacs *pukes* |
| 02:37.57 | bob2 | Nah: icecast |
| 02:37.58 | thebug | what's the virtual package for KDE on sarge? |
| 02:37.59 | cef_work | Seb_: heh |
| 02:38.00 | bob2 | mod_mp3 for apache |
| 02:38.02 | bob2 | etc |
| 02:38.02 | Seb_ | :) |
| 02:38.03 | soapee01 | maher, deepfrze, bloom: Thanks for your help. Installing the sun java 5 binary solely in /usr/local works fine =). For some reason the java-package utility didn't do anything for me. |
| 02:38.09 | Seb_ | thebug: kde ? |
| 02:38.11 | thebug | 'kde' doesn't work |
| 02:38.16 | Seb_ | heh |
| 02:38.21 | thebug | 'package kde is not available ...' |
| 02:38.26 | Guerin | the kde metapackage has vanished from sarge |
| 02:38.26 | cef_work | Seb_: gimme echo over emacs anyday! |
| 02:38.58 | Guerin | try kdebase or kde-core |
| 02:38.58 | Seb_ | cef_work: hah |
| 02:38.58 | bloom | soapee01: what did you try with java-package (I'm going to attempt it later this evening after everything's downloaded) |
| 02:38.58 | thebug | okay |
| 02:38.58 | Guerin | thebug: neither of those will give you the whole damn shop, though. |
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| 02:39.11 | thebug | Guerin: neither work <or exist> |
| 02:39.18 | Seb_ | who wants the whole damn shop, though ? |
| 02:39.21 | Nah | Franz Ferdinand - Take me out |
| 02:39.41 | Seb_ | Covener: that's something I like about *BSD, the MII status in ifconfig :) |
| 02:39.56 | Guerin | !info kdebase sarge |
| 02:39.58 | Nah | but someone can tell me where to get a good internet radio program for free |
| 02:40.00 | dpkg | kdebase: (KDE Base metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.2.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 20 kB |
| 02:40.02 | Guerin | !info kde-core sarge |
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| 02:40.13 | Guerin | err, kde-core is wrong |
| 02:40.25 | Guerin | Nah: gnump3d |
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| 02:40.37 | bob2 | Nah: icecast. mod_mp3. |
| 02:40.42 | Seb_ | UdontKnow: he prolly meant client |
| 02:40.52 | Seb_ | hrm |
| 02:40.54 | bob2 | and we don't care about your bad taste in music. |
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| 02:40.59 | Seb_ | Guerin: he prolly meant client |
| 02:40.59 | Nah | me? |
| 02:41.07 | Nah | bad taste HAHA |
| 02:41.16 | soapee01 | bloom: First I tried blackdown jre1.4 since it's always worked well. It didn't with me. Tried Sun's jRE1.4 (both bin and rpm converted to deb). The rpm/deb didn't work at all (couldn't see it in about:plugins after ln -s). Sun J2RE1.4 did show up in about:plugins, but firefox crashed whenever I hit a java site. Sun's JRE1.5 works fine installed in /usr/local (manually), but the debian scripts java-package didn't f |
| 02:41.16 | soapee01 | or me. |
| 02:41.21 | Nah | what do you listen to all clasical all the time |
| 02:41.36 | kristin | im trying to find a way to configure postfix to set that a certain user or alias can only receive mails from the local users not from the internet? like yahoo and hotmail... |
| 02:41.39 | Nah | i liten to matalica, cky, him, dreamtheater |
| 02:41.41 | thebug | thanks for the help Guerin |
| 02:41.44 | kristin | has anyone tried to configure something like this? |
| 02:41.52 | bloom | soapee01: ok, thanks. I guess I'll have to try it and see what happens |
| 02:41.55 | bob2 | Nah: as above, we don't care |
| 02:41.58 | Guerin | Nah: booring. |
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| 02:42.14 | Nah | dont bring up shit then drop it like that fag |
| 02:42.28 | maher | bloom: look at the bts / files in ../share/ - its pretty easy to fix if it doesn't wrk iirc |
| 02:42.28 | bob2 | Nah: no. |
| 02:42.35 | soapee01 | bloom: it's odd that mozilla howto's recommended jre1.4 when it didn't work. Maybe it's a debian or just me problem. |
| 02:42.41 | bob2 | that is your one warning ever. |
| 02:42.43 | Seb_ | Nah: you should know better than insulting ops |
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| 02:42.53 | maher | soapee01: they all worked for me |
| 02:43.02 | bob2 | "ops" has nothing to do with it |
| 02:43.24 | bloom | soapee01: I wonder what sun's Java 1.4 was compiled with |
| 02:43.25 | soapee01 | maher: could just be my weird install. just glad it works now so my wife won't complain |
| 02:43.31 | Seb_ | bob2: people who insult non-ops usually don't get kicked/banned right away |
| 02:43.32 | Guerin | haha |
| 02:43.38 | Guerin | kids these days are so touchy |
| 02:43.45 | soapee01 | bloom: not sure, but they provide a 3.x compiled plugin. |
| 02:43.55 | bin11 | I'm getting the following error on apt-get installing individual package updates: /bin/sh: line 1: 17292 Killed /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt |
| 02:43.55 | bin11 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly |
| 02:43.55 | bin11 | RESULT=100 Is this something that will fix itself, or do I need to fix something, I tried man dpkg-preconfigure, and googling, but other than seeing it may be an existing bug, #197188 #242799, I can't figure out what to do. Will --force-depends fix this? Or Apt-get --fix-broken? tia for any help |
| 02:44.03 | bin11 | I've been removing a few optional packages over the last few days, nothing drastic, as I upgrade individual packages manually, checking each one while its done. |
| 02:44.04 | Seb_ | bin11: sid ? |
| 02:44.09 | bin11 | testing |
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| 02:44.40 | thebug | ta ta |
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| 02:45.25 | soapee01 | maher: thanks again. |
| 02:45.42 | soapee01 | bloom: good luck, hope it goes easier for you. |
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| 02:45.48 | bin11 | got the error a day or two ago, waited, tried a few hours later same package, no error |
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| 02:45.58 | udo__ | got some problems to play CDs from my xmms, the sndcard is config and I use xmms but something must have been let out. Can any one suggest sth for me ? thxs |
| 02:46.21 | bob2 | bin11: run debsums |
| 02:46.44 | maher | udo__: there is a plugin for xmms to play cds - have you tried that |
| 02:46.47 | bob2 | udo__: a) don't talk like a skript kiddie, b) install xmms-cdread |
| 02:46.47 | bin11 | ok, I'll try that after man tells me what it is |
| 02:47.21 | udo__ | I already did maher bob2 |
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| 02:49.18 | MerlinCorey | lol @ bob2 |
| 02:49.20 | MerlinCorey | so true... |
| 02:49.21 | MerlinCorey | :> |
| 02:49.25 | jharrison | its getting really bad here |
| 02:49.45 | Seb_ | script kiddie != chat lingo |
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| 02:50.03 | Seb_ | tons of people uses abbreviations of all sort, and they're not necessarly script kiddies |
| 02:50.09 | Seb_ | not that I like abbreviations :) |
| 02:50.12 | bob2 | they still sound stupid |
| 02:50.20 | Seb_ | they do |
| 02:50.25 | Eclipser | extremely |
| 02:50.26 | Seb_ | let's call them stupid then, not script kiddies |
| 02:50.31 | Eclipser | :) |
| 02:50.59 | markw_ | bob2: sort of like ls for list? |
| 02:51.05 | markw_ | or cp for copy? |
| 02:51.07 | markw_ | :) |
| 02:51.16 | bob2 | sh != English |
| 02:51.26 | bob2 | sh is easier for computers to parse than english is |
| 02:51.32 | bob2 | english is easier for humans than sh |
| 02:51.41 | udo__ | just using xmms and the proper plug-in (xmms-cdread) should work, isn't it? bob2 |
| 02:51.54 | bob2 | yes. |
| 02:51.59 | bob2 | assuming you have working permissions, etc. |
| 02:52.09 | Covener | udo__: Do you need the little digital audio cable hooked up for that? |
| 02:52.13 | Seb_ | nevertheless let's use the right terminology, and distinguish between the differend categories of internet assholes :> |
| 02:52.16 | Seb_ | Covener: nope |
| 02:52.22 | Seb_ | Covener: that's what good about xmms-cdread |
| 02:52.25 | rares000 | scrupid scriptiddies |
| 02:52.31 | bob2 | Covener: not for xmms-cdread |
| 02:52.32 | vitriol | yeah no kidding |
| 02:52.37 | Seb_ | (about the only thing good, by the way) |
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| 02:52.45 | markw_ | Seb_: mixed case is L337 speak. :) |
| 02:52.53 | Seb_ | markw_: right :) |
| 02:53.13 | udo__ | Covener: you mean from the CDROM drive to the soundcard? |
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| 02:53.26 | Covener | udo__: they say it's a red herring, forget it |
| 02:53.33 | udo__ | ok |
| 02:53.35 | markw_ | I figure if my kids want r00t, they'll exploit it. :) |
| 02:53.42 | Guerin | ok, so the system-wide fetchmail keeps all account details etc. in the /etc/fetchmailrc file, while if it's not set up system-wide, each use makes their own .fetchmailrc fileand is responsible for doing it themselves? |
| 02:53.42 | Seb_ | udo__: how does it not work, btw ? |
| 02:54.01 | Seb_ | Guerin: correct |
| 02:54.07 | Seb_ | Guerin: correct too :) |
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| 02:54.47 | udo__ | sorry don't understand btw Seb_ |
| 02:55.17 | jharrison | that wasnt good |
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| 02:55.43 | jharrison | power went out breifly |
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| 02:56.25 | Guerin | grr, so why won't debconf give me the choice to NOT have it set up system-wide now? |
| 02:56.30 | Seb_ | haha |
| 02:56.34 | Seb_ | udo__: by the way |
| 02:56.53 | Seb_ | udo__: and *start* your messages by the name of the person you're responding to |
| 02:57.09 | udo__ | alright |
| 02:58.14 | markw_ | rares000: probably something that's already patented. |
| 02:58.17 | Seb_ | any graphical interfaces for kismet via apt-get ? |
| 02:58.21 | Seb_ | udo__: so how does it not work ? |
| 02:58.37 | udo__ | Seb_ it works when I play mp3 files but it doesn't when I get a CD on the CDROM |
| 02:58.40 | markw_ | Seb: kismet is a gui to begin with. |
| 02:58.59 | Seb_ | udo__: error message ? No sound ? No playlist ? How does it not work with a cd ? :) |
| 02:59.14 | Seb_ | markw_: gui as in under X, not with libncurses |
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| 02:59.33 | markw_ | Seb: just run it in an xterm, then it's a gui. :) |
| 02:59.33 | Seb_ | markw_: and most people wouldn't call a libcurses interface a GUI, sorry |
| 02:59.42 | Seb_ | whatever |
| 03:00.02 | mwilson | Seb_: How would Kismet be enhanced by being an X application? |
| 03:00.06 | markw_ | Seb: window managers are to manage multiple xterms. :) |
| 03:00.21 | Seb_ | mwilson: i was hoping to be able to have the signal levels for all the networks being displayed in the main list |
| 03:00.27 | Seb_ | markw_: haha |
| 03:01.10 | Guerin | ok, how do I force debconf to ask all the questions again. I ran dpkg-reconfihure debconf and tols it to ask old questions, purged the package in question, ran apt-get clean, and STILL it won't ask me. |
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| 03:01.29 | udo__ | Seb_: libesd.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 03:01.37 | Seb_ | mwilson: do you have any other questions ? |
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| 03:02.16 | Seb_ | udo__: that happens only when trying to play an audio CD ? |
| 03:02.41 | dgaf | man useradd |
| 03:02.42 | markw_ | udo__: you have esd installed? |
| 03:02.48 | dgaf | .quit |
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| 03:03.04 | bin11 | no debsums installed, tried installing it, get same error message |
| 03:03.07 | udo__ | markw_: let me see |
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| 03:03.29 | Bangers | i need help. i did have windows on hda but it fucked up so i had to reinstall but on hdab i had debian sarge but i installed the boot loader in MBR on hda...what do i do? coz i dont care if dont use windows i just wanna be able to access debian? |
| 03:03.40 | markw_ | udo__: ii libesd0 0.2.34-1 Enlightened Sound Daemon - Shared libraries |
| 03:03.49 | markw_ | udo__: it's looking for that. |
| 03:03.50 | udo__ | Seb_: just when I open xmms from xterm |
| 03:04.01 | Seb_ | mwilson: I thought so. Next time feel free to not open your mouth, if you're not gonna help. |
| 03:04.11 | markw_ | udo__: running a gui ap from an xterm is a good way to see the error messages. |
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| 03:04.20 | Seb_ | udo__: if that doesn't prevent you from playing mp3s, then you're good, it's just a warning |
| 03:04.39 | Seb_ | no other messages when loading /dev/cdrom ? Do you at least get the playlist ? |
| 03:04.43 | Guerin | Seb_: why don't you want people to ask questions? |
| 03:04.45 | markw_ | udo__: check the xmms output device |
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| 03:04.59 | Seb_ | Guerin: we all know about mwilson's "questions" |
| 03:05.05 | [Cadet] | Bangers: Boot with some debian install cd, type rescue root=/dev/debian_root |
| 03:05.05 | Guerin | Seb_: we do? |
| 03:05.12 | kristin | quit |
| 03:05.13 | Seb_ | Guerin: I do, for one |
| 03:05.14 | kristin | exit |
| 03:05.22 | [Cadet] | Bangers: then set up grub or lilo |
| 03:05.33 | Bangers | k cheers mate |
| 03:06.14 | Seb_ | Guerin: if I had answered "because I'd like a GUI better", he'd have flamed me. That kind of questions is just a bait. |
| 03:06.21 | udo__ | markw_ I don have esd |
| 03:06.27 | udo__ | markw_ I don't have esd |
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| 03:06.35 | Seb_ | udo__: mess with the cdread plugin preferences a bit, in the options |
| 03:06.49 | udo__ | SEb_ ok |
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| 03:07.11 | Seb_ | udo__: for output, use the same as the wav plugin or whatever it's called |
| 03:07.14 | Guerin | Seb_: Well, that doesn't answer the question, and apart from anything else is nothing but a statement of personal preference. |
| 03:07.29 | repton | Hi all, any idea why my xterm is showing lots of <80><90> when I view man pages and things? |
| 03:07.36 | Seb_ | Guerin: that doesn't answer what question ? |
| 03:07.43 | threefold | not sure where to ask this question. I believe i have set my system time / locale correctly. if i do a tzconfig it tells me adelaide / australia. if i do date it tells me right time / date. but when running a php script in apache. it tells me the date as GMT time, not my adjusted locale ? anyone suggest where i look for the problem ? |
| 03:07.53 | Seb_ | repton: what's your locale ? |
| 03:08.21 | threefold | my local is CST |
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| 03:08.24 | Guerin | Seb_: mwilson> Seb_: How would Kismet be enhanced by being an X application? |
| 03:08.27 | Seb_ | threefold: probably a PHP date formatting issue, since date is good |
| 03:08.29 | Teakk | dvdauthor: Depends: libmagick5.5.7 but it is not installable ... cant install libmagick5.5.7 via apt, and it wont compile...so, i tried to compile dvdstyler, and it fails...any other ideas of a dvdauthor frontend I could use? (I tried qdvdauthor, but it wont compile either...get a bunch of errors when it links) |
| 03:08.46 | Seb_ | Guerin: 20:00:22 Seb_ | mwilson: i was hoping to be able to have the signal levels for all the networks being |
| 03:08.50 | Seb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.52 | Guerin | Seb_: As it was, you answered the question. Why not just leave it at that? |
| 03:08.53 | repton | Seb_: en_NZ.UTF-8. |
| 03:09.02 | Seb_ | Guerin: did you miss it, or does that not qualify as an answer ? |
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| 03:09.34 | Guerin | Seb_: No, as I said, you DID answer the question. if you'd answered "because I like gui better" that would have been no kind of answer. |
| 03:09.34 | Seb_ | repton: then use the unicode xterm |
| 03:10.14 | Seb_ | Guerin: indeed |
| 03:10.17 | repton | Seb_: I am! |
| 03:10.19 | deepfrze | threefold, CST as in North America CST? |
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| 03:10.48 | Seb_ | Guerin: but mwilson just baits for answers like that. And those baits are mostly noise in a busy channel like #debian. |
| 03:10.57 | Seb_ | repton: how about in the regular xterm then ? :) |
| 03:11.13 | Guerin | Seb_: bullshit. |
| 03:11.34 | Seb_ | Guerin: not quite developped for an answer |
| 03:11.35 | Guerin | Seb_: don't pre-empt questions by presuming they have some sarcastic barb in them - that's my point. |
| 03:11.40 | Seb_ | Guerin: haha |
| 03:11.42 | Bangers | hey Guerin ur from melb hey? |
| 03:11.55 | Seb_ | Guerin: for certain people you've seen act for a long time, I'll affirm I can pre-empt |
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| 03:12.03 | Guerin | Bangers: er nop im frmo welli |
| 03:12.13 | Bangers | hrmm mabye it was wrong person |
| 03:12.15 | repton | Seb_: xterm, rxvt, Eterm, even the linux console --- same problem. |
| 03:12.16 | Bangers | damn |
| 03:12.20 | Guerin | hehe |
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| 03:12.31 | Bangers | hehe i was gunna say the eagles are gunna beat the swans on sat !!! |
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| 03:12.33 | Bangers | *grins* |
| 03:12.44 | Seb_ | repton: what pager do you use ? |
| 03:12.44 | rich_ | Seb_ Its a cultural bias. |
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| 03:12.58 | Seb_ | rich_: not sure what you mean :) |
| 03:13.05 | Bangers | rich_: i think u mean bios not bias |
| 03:13.25 | aida-night | clear |
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| 03:13.38 | aida-night | xchat-text <<<<<<<<<<< irssi |
| 03:13.48 | aida-night | so sad |
| 03:13.49 | rich_ | Seb_ It means not everybody talks the same but if you can free your mind from the bias it contains information. |
| 03:14.00 | rich_ | Seb_ the same language |
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| 03:14.30 | aida-night | wow.. when they said xchat text .. they were not kidding |
| 03:14.48 | Guerin | aida-night: mmmm, a half-pie version of a half-pie irc client |
| 03:14.48 | aida-night | this thing has no formatting ... when new text arrives it messes up the formatting hahahahaha |
| 03:14.49 | Seb_ | rich_: so you're saying I'm biased toward mwilson's contributions, and that I should try to see the information in them ? :> |
| 03:14.56 | repton | Seb_: /usr/bin/less. Hmm, more doesn't have the problem. |
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| 03:15.07 | aida-night | Guerin: is irssi still in development? |
| 03:15.17 | aida-night | Guerin: the gui xchat is quite nice imho |
| 03:15.24 | repton | Seb_: (but I'm not really keen to give up on less as my pager) |
| 03:15.25 | Seb_ | repton: inreresting. I always thought less was superior to more |
| 03:15.28 | aida-night | not to mention it's multiplatform |
| 03:15.32 | Seb_ | repton: hehe |
| 03:15.33 | aida-night | runs just as nice in winblows |
| 03:15.35 | Guerin | aida-night: last version was released in about december, I believe. That quallifies as "in development" |
| 03:15.44 | ozzloy | k so i'm making a linux firewall. how do i create a bootable floppy? |
| 03:15.49 | techwolf | how to select sound card in debian? |
| 03:15.58 | aida-night | Guerin: any other suggestions for text based irci clients?? besides bitchx |
| 03:16.09 | aida-night | Guerin: i think I'm going back to irssi |
| 03:16.11 | Guerin | aida-night: running nice in windows is petty low on my list of wants in an irc client, right down there with "has cute smilies" |
| 03:16.20 | nvz | well I found out very little so far, only that there is way too much ARP traffic going on, on this network. |
| 03:16.28 | Guerin | irssi-text is the only irc client worth using, as far as I'm concerned |
| 03:16.33 | aida-night | Gurin: your remind me of richard dean anderson on stargate |
| 03:16.48 | repton | Seb_: Actually, I lie. more just reacts differently. It still doesn't work correctly. |
| 03:17.06 | Seb_ | repton: what's the name of the utf8 enabled xterm ? |
| 03:17.08 | aida-night | haha |
| 03:17.11 | Seb_ | uxterm ? |
| 03:17.15 | Seb_ | i can't remember |
| 03:17.16 | Guerin | (but being compared to MacGuyver could work :) |
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| 03:17.38 | aida-night | Guerin: y glass half empty person :) but thanks for the input |
| 03:17.53 | peterrooney | aida-night: for the console-inclined, package ksirc has "dsirc", which is purely text based. |
| 03:17.54 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:18.28 | bin11 | I got kicked earlier, when I tried installing debsums (Killed xchat I believe), so I may have missed a different suggestion. I'm getting the same error message when trying to install debsums: /bin/sh: line 1: 17751 Killed /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg exited unexpectedly tia |
| 03:18.30 | peterrooney | aida-night: it took me a few tries to realize that the front end was a perl script, wiht th a dead server hardcoded in. |
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| 03:18.41 | Teakk | besides qdvdauthor, and dvdstyler(neither of which will compile on my system), does anyone of of a dvdauthor frontned? |
| 03:18.45 | repton | Seb_: Yeah, uxterm. Which is just an alias for 'xterm -class UXTerm -u8'. |
| 03:18.49 | aida-night | omg |
| 03:18.54 | aida-night | my messages are getting cut off |
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| 03:19.06 | aida-night | let me uninstall this .. this abomination |
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| 03:20.30 | udo__ | Seb_: I can't make it work. Thanks a lot anyway |
| 03:21.02 | udo__ | Thanks everybody |
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| 03:22.18 | Guerin | so wtf gives with debconf. How can I force it to ask me the whole slew of on-install questions again. |
| 03:22.25 | Guerin | ? |
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| 03:24.28 | tcsetattr | dpkg-reconfigure --all ? |
| 03:24.28 | Seb_ | Guerin: dpkg-reconfigure fetchmail doesn't do ? |
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| 03:25.22 | Guerin | Seb_: nope. Nor does setting debconf to ask all questions again, then purging, apt-get clean and reinstalling ... |
| 03:25.36 | Guerin | Seb_: so really, if that don't do it, I can't think what would. |
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| 03:26.12 | Teakk | besides qdvdauthor, and dvdstyler(neither of which will compile on my system), does anyone of of a dvdauthor frontned? |
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| 03:26.34 | ElNooboStupido | does anyone know offhand why sarge isnt picking up my hard drive? Ive got a pretty standard athlon tbird setup |
| 03:26.48 | ElNooboStupido | ive installed woody on it before |
| 03:26.51 | Guerin | ElNooboStupido: what does "pretty standard" mean to you? |
| 03:27.00 | Seb_ | ElNooboStupido: debian-boot |
| 03:27.06 | Seb_ | ElNooboStupido: #debian-boot |
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| 03:27.22 | Teakk | infocode, do not message me telling me to 'give you a shell' |
| 03:27.42 | Seb_ | Guerin: dpkg-reconfigure always asks all questions, and picks "low priority" too |
| 03:27.54 | Seb_ | Guerin: soI dunno why it does not do it for fetchmail :\ |
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| 03:28.30 | Guerin | Seb_: yeah, I know, I was just being pedantic with that. |
| 03:28.41 | Seb_ | Teakk: apt-get install dvdauthor ? |
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| 03:28.54 | Guerin | Seb_: I think I'm gonna have to hack some scripts... |
| 03:29.01 | Teakk | Seb_, dont have an apt repository for it, and cant find one |
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| 03:29.32 | Seb_ | Teakk: it's in sid, but that doesn't seem to include a graphical frontedn anyway |
| 03:30.06 | Teakk | Seb_, err...dvdauthor is installed..qdvdauthor wont compile(and no apt source for it)...same with dvdstyler |
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| 03:31.52 | FlimFlamMan | is there a way to split-screen the physical display between two virtual desktops? |
| 03:31.58 | threefold | uhm, when its asks is your system set to 'gmt' in the install process, which 'conf' program is that running ? |
| 03:32.25 | Seb_ | Teakk: won't compile *how* ? |
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| 03:32.29 | deepfrze | threefold, base-config |
| 03:32.37 | Seb_ | Teakk: do you have all the necessary includes ? |
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| 03:33.33 | Seb_ | FlimFlamMan: opne 2 xterms, put one on the left side of the screen, the other one on the right side, and voila |
| 03:33.51 | FlimFlamMan | hilarious :-) |
| 03:34.08 | nvz | what are arp tables and will I need them for a Ipmasq NAT Firewall/Router? |
| 03:34.20 | Guerin | nvz: yes. |
| 03:34.42 | nvz | Guerin: seems the same thing as Iptables but for ARP? |
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| 03:35.26 | Guerin | nvz: No, I'm not sure what they are, but I'm pretty sure you need them. |
| 03:35.28 | Seb_ | FlimFlamMan: seriously, what do you mean ? |
| 03:35.46 | nvz | Guerin: well I am pretty sure you know about less than me ;) |
| 03:35.47 | FlimFlamMan | instead of switching between full-size virtual desktops, i want two, half-sized virtual desktops, one on each half of the physical screen. |
| 03:35.54 | Guerin | hehe |
| 03:35.59 | Guerin | probably right |
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| 03:36.06 | nvz | !info arptables |
| 03:36.08 | dpkg | arptables: (ARP table administration), section net, is optional. Version: 0.0.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 03:36.11 | Teakk | Seb_, I get no errors, and the files it says it errors on(gives the path), exist, and when I go and look at the line it errors on, it LOOKS right |
| 03:36.16 | Teakk | (as to the few lines before it) |
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| 03:36.17 | Seb_ | FlimFlamMan: what functioanlity does that provide as opposed to what I described ? |
| 03:36.23 | nvz | !info arpmasq |
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| 03:36.42 | FlimFlamMan | i'd just like to try it if it's possible |
| 03:37.04 | Seb_ | FlimFlamMan: realizing that is no different from putting some windows on the left side, and some on the left ? |
| 03:37.20 | Seb_ | er, on the right :) |
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| 03:38.15 | FlimFlamMan | Seb_, yeah |
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| 03:39.14 | mwilson | zoob zoob zoob |
| 03:39.52 | helix | mwilson: why do you keep doing that? |
| 03:39.54 | threefold | not a 'debian' system, but #knoppix not able to help. my system seems to have itself set to the incorrect timezone, TZconfig says the right timezone, I have also done a dpkg-reconfigure locales to remove the million that knoppix installs. However, upon reboot just then it has set my system time to GMT, i cant think what i need to do next ? |
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| 03:40.36 | jturek | anybody here using gnoppix .8 |
| 03:40.53 | ElNooboStupido | I just wanna know why my hard drive isnt detected by sarge |
| 03:40.59 | mwilson | helix: Why not? |
| 03:41.18 | Seb_ | ElNooboStupido: /join #debian-boot |
| 03:41.27 | helix | mwilson: I wonder what the significance of 'zoob' is |
| 03:41.27 | mwilson | helix: How's the weather there? |
| 03:41.30 | helix | it's fine |
| 03:41.36 | ElNooboStupido | Seb_ no one is talking in there man |
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| 03:41.45 | mwilson | When is landfall supposed to be? |
| 03:42.34 | initech | mwilson: for frances? |
| 03:42.48 | mwilson | Yeah |
| 03:42.49 | ebardsley | Is it possible to make the debian installer (rc1) boot a 2.6 kernel with usb keyboard support? |
| 03:43.02 | covux | is there a debian package of newest amarokversion anywhere outathere? |
| 03:43.06 | helix | mwilson: dunno, this weekend or so |
| 03:43.07 | initech | mwilson: in the US, sometime this weekend |
| 03:43.28 | initech | it already butt raped the bahamas, or is currently doing so |
| 03:43.44 | mwilson | Boy, the two of you are exceedingly well informed... I live on the left coast and I know more about it than you do. :) |
| 03:44.09 | initech | mwilson: i live in louisiana, i really am used to it |
| 03:44.11 | Teakk | anyone know of a KDE or GTK based application that I can use to author DVDs? (IE: import video files, create menus, etc)...but, not dvdstyler, or qdvdauthor(as neither of them will compile) |
| 03:44.35 | mwilson | dvdauthor? Varsha if you like Java? |
| 03:44.35 | Guerin | Teakk: try to fix your compile problems? |
| 03:44.40 | initech | so i dont really care that much (i actually love hurricanes, save the direct hits |
| 03:44.59 | Teakk | Guerin, I have looked at every file(around the lines mentioned), and cant find the error |
| 03:45.44 | FlimFlamMan | mozilla sunbird goes into deep-sleep when i try to sync remote calendars. strace shows a lot of this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/JH3lx686.html - any idea what that's all about? |
| 03:46.05 | FlimFlamMan | (debian unstable) |
| 03:46.14 | rares000 | sunbird? |
| 03:46.36 | initech | i have a hard time keeping up with all the mozilla birds and foxes these days |
| 03:46.41 | encode | lol |
| 03:46.50 | encode | sunbird is the standalone calender app |
| 03:46.58 | mwilson | Sunbird is the craptastic Mozilla calendar extension broken out on its own. |
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| 03:47.04 | rares000 | thundervixen sounds like pr0n title |
| 03:47.08 | encode | what he said ^ |
| 03:47.09 | karsten | So suppose I've had a bunch of mail sort of spooling to one system, and I'd like to run it through procmail on another.... |
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| 03:47.34 | karsten | ...is 'find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 procmail < {}' going to do the trick? |
| 03:47.34 | mwilson | So now people can install all three and think they're l33t for not installing Mozilla. |
| 03:47.41 | karsten | This is ~28k mails. |
| 03:47.43 | encode | hehe |
| 03:48.14 | rares000 | well the standard set do kind of sux0r |
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| 03:49.48 | Seb_ | karsten: i'd think the redirection would take place before xargs is interpreted, so no :) |
| 03:49.51 | rares000 | what kinda HD |
| 03:50.05 | mwilson | hmmm, more Pitch Black |
| 03:50.31 | Seb_ | karsten: maybe more find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 cat {} | procmail |
| 03:50.43 | Seb_ | karsten: but I might be wrong on my first statement :) |
| 03:50.52 | debianstarfish | i cant get to gnome and i have no idea why? |
| 03:51.20 | Guerin | mwilson: yeah, is that riddick thing any good? |
| 03:51.38 | debianstarfish | saying somethin like cant find pcmia or something like that? |
| 03:51.56 | Guerin | omfg |
| 03:51.57 | rares000 | quick someone call harlan ellison |
| 03:52.00 | Guerin | my pc is mia |
| 03:52.13 | fooz | ZOMG |
| 03:52.20 | tcsetattr | I don't think xargs and procmail will work together very easily |
| 03:53.09 | debianstarfish | does anyone know why this is doing this it happens no matter what kernel i choose |
| 03:53.09 | mwilson | Guerin: Huh? How'd we get from soda pop to a lousy movie? |
| 03:53.24 | fooz | pitch black is a movie |
| 03:53.30 | mwilson | It is? |
| 03:53.34 | fooz | or pitch dark? |
| 03:53.41 | fooz | something like that |
| 03:53.50 | Guerin | mwilson: haha |
| 03:53.52 | rares000 | fii |
| 03:53.56 | mwilson | "Pitch Black" is Mountain Dew Black Grape |
| 03:54.04 | rares000 | fuckingimdbit |
| 03:54.05 | Guerin | mwilson: ok, I thought you were talking about the sequel to pitch black |
| 03:54.12 | Guerin | ah, roight... eew. |
| 03:54.18 | mwilson | Riddick is a sequel to something? |
| 03:54.25 | fooz | sorta |
| 03:54.36 | fooz | Riddick was a character in Pitch Black |
| 03:54.36 | Guerin | Chronicles of Riddick is the sequel following the main character from Pitch Black |
| 03:54.37 | mwilson | They'd already made a film that bad once, and they saw fit to do it again? |
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| 03:54.40 | fooz | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0134847/ |
| 03:54.48 | fooz | mwilson, stfu. Pitch Black was a badass movie |
| 03:54.59 | debianstarfish | let me reboot and see what exactly it says |
| 03:54.59 | Guerin | mwilson: yeah, i hear it's totally different though, so I'm considering a second chance |
| 03:55.09 | debianstarfish | logout |
| 03:55.13 | initech | Guerin: yeah i heard it was worse |
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| 03:55.24 | fooz | bleh |
| 03:55.30 | Guerin | initech: so often the case |
| 03:55.36 | initech | nd i hate vin diesel or whoeever |
| 03:55.43 | mwilson | So many sequelae, never should be made |
| 03:55.46 | fooz | well, Vin Diesel was badass in it, at least |
| 03:55.58 | initech | mwilson: the manchurian candidate, uggh |
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| 03:56.16 | Guerin | the current crop of movies just does nothing at all for me |
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| 03:56.27 | mwilson | Isn't Vin Diesel another one of those can-barely-grunt actors? |
| 03:56.36 | Guerin | mwilson: yup, that's him. |
| 03:56.42 | tcsetattr | "You said it was clear" .. "I said it LOOKED clear." .. "How's it look now?" .. (peering over edge of sheltering rock) "Looks clear." |
| 03:56.44 | initech | Guerin: yeah it is unbeliveable crap, the remakes are jaw droppingly stupid |
| 03:56.57 | Guerin | mwilson: trying to follow in some illustrious footsteps... |
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| 03:57.32 | superflea | What? Vin Diesel is the Manchurian Candidate? |
| 03:57.36 | helix | haha |
| 03:57.48 | fooz | you guys are drunk tonight huh |
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| 03:57.55 | Guerin | haha |
| 03:57.59 | initech | superflea: hah! sinatra would kick vin diesel's ass |
| 03:58.01 | Guerin | it's 1255 here |
| 03:58.02 | rich_ | Pitch black was too dark. But if you dont want to see a dark movie, stay away from the ones with names like "pitch black". So given that we really have no right to complain about the visual part, because it lives up to its name, whats wrong with the sound track? |
| 03:58.17 | rich_ | :) |
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| 03:58.22 | mwilson | Manchurian Candidate was stupid the first time around, what distinguishes it the second go-round? |
| 03:58.24 | superflea | initech: Probably could. I hate it when chicks talk about how hot Vin Diesel is |
| 03:58.40 | Guerin | rich_: it's more the story part I had trouble with. And the characterisation, cinematography... |
| 03:58.40 | superflea | mwilson: the original was not bad |
| 03:58.57 | initech | superflea: he looks like any number of tattoed up guys to me |
| 03:59.04 | initech | mwilson: the original was great |
| 03:59.04 | fooz | mwilson, vin diesel wasn't the main character in pitch black.. he was pretty good in it. good enough that they had him make a bunch more movies, including one where he played Riddick again |
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| 03:59.18 | rich_ | Guerin I thought it was funny that that kid showed up out of nowhere and was dressed just like vin diesel |
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| 03:59.33 | debianstarfish | ok saying failed to load pcmcia_core |
| 03:59.58 | mwilson | I thought Riddick might end up being good, since it had that british lady, whassername in it, but I think they added her just for credibility. |
| 04:00.00 | rich_ | As if they were made (up) for each other |
| 04:00.05 | Guerin | I saw Stalker the other night - now there's a move worth watching again. |
| 04:00.17 | fooz | i haven't seen riddick yet |
| 04:00.21 | initech | Guerin: the tarkovsky movie? |
| 04:00.32 | Guerin | mwilson: judy dench? yeah, her role choices have been slipping somewhat. |
| 04:00.37 | Guerin | initech: hell yeah. |
| 04:00.48 | initech | Guerin: i need to see that one |
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| 04:00.52 | fooz | mwilson, his game is pretty good though |
| 04:00.54 | ElNooboStupido | well, feces all over sarge, im gonna use fedora instead. |
| 04:00.57 | fooz | too bad it's xsux only |
| 04:01.15 | debianstarfish | ok saying failed to load pcmcia_core how do i fix this? |
| 04:01.22 | rares000 | Stalker is that that russian movie |
| 04:01.27 | rares000 | ElNooboStupido, |
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| 04:01.37 | brctl | Hi all |
| 04:01.47 | rares000 | I asked what kind of HD |
| 04:01.50 | reality | are there any "applet" type components for xfce4? |
| 04:01.54 | fooz | geez, mldonkey and copying one 3GB file completely 0wnz my system |
| 04:02.02 | bob2 | ElNooboStupido: bye! |
| 04:02.04 | ElNooboStupido | its a western digital 15g |
| 04:02.18 | rares000 | IDE or SCSI? |
| 04:02.18 | AdrianLP | My GCC is still borked, even after clearing apt's cache just the other day, and reupgrading. I see that its supposed to be fixed now? |
| 04:02.19 | initech | fooz: wshaper works pretty well for that |
| 04:02.32 | ElNooboStupido | ide |
| 04:02.36 | fooz | initech, it's not the network part that hurts |
| 04:02.42 | fooz | my load average is 3 |
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| 04:02.54 | Guerin | reality: yeah, tons of them. Apt-cache search xfce4 should get most. |
| 04:03.13 | rares000 | what chipset is your ide? |
| 04:03.18 | ElNooboStupido | vias |
| 04:03.20 | ElNooboStupido | via I mean |
| 04:03.25 | initech | fooz: what? crappy nic? |
| 04:03.31 | fooz | initech, no. disk |
| 04:03.32 | bob2 | AdrianLP: how would "clearing apt's cache" help? |
| 04:03.52 | rares000 | how far are you in the install steps |
| 04:03.59 | ElNooboStupido | its weird because I could install knoppix to it just fine |
| 04:04.03 | AdrianLP | bob2: It was recommended at the time, and indeed worked. Until tonight when I did `apt-get upgrade` it was fine. |
| 04:04.08 | fooz | feels like DMA isn't on |
| 04:04.10 | ElNooboStupido | im nowhere now, I shut it off |
| 04:04.24 | ElNooboStupido | it wont go past the partition HD part |
| 04:04.24 | bob2 | ElNooboStupido: so actually go and file a bug then |
| 04:04.34 | bob2 | ElNooboStupido: #debian-boot |
| 04:04.40 | brctl | Anyone: Is there something going on w/ kde on sarge? |
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| 04:05.00 | mwilson | Guerin: That was her. |
| 04:05.13 | bob2 | brctl: #debian-kde |
| 04:05.18 | mwilson | brctl: Everyone gets to guess what problem you think you're having, right? |
| 04:05.41 | rares000 | ElNooboStupido, I'm in #debian-boot |
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| 04:06.04 | fooz | heheh. KDE users are second-class citizens |
| 04:06.09 | AdrianLP | bob2: regardless, even this returns the same GCC error now: apt-get --force-yes install gcc-3.3-base |
| 04:06.25 | brctl | bob2: thanks. mwilson: Guilty as charged. |
| 04:06.46 | bob2 | AdrianLP: I don't see your error in #flood |
| 04:06.59 | AdrianLP | bob2: I can post it, you didn't ask for it. Posting in a moment. |
| 04:07.05 | mwilson | brctl: Of course, you're much more likely to get a usable answer that way. </sarcasm> |
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| 04:07.43 | AdrianLP | bob2: Its there now. |
| 04:07.48 | debianstarfish | when i boot my pc right before it asks for my password it stops booting and gives me this message failed to load pcmcia_core how do i fix this? |
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| 04:08.10 | Led_Zeppelin | canyou get 10/100 with hubs? are hubs better then switches? |
| 04:08.22 | trapper- | as a noob i have installed xmame using apt even thout th eversion is far from current |
| 04:08.27 | initech | Led_Zeppelin: just no full duplex with hubs |
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| 04:08.37 | Led_Zeppelin | initech, so, they are slower? |
| 04:08.41 | bob2 | AdrianLP: --force-yes does nothing, that's a bug in the gcc-3.3 package you're installing (which I'm pretty sure is not from Debian), please paste your sources.list |
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| 04:08.52 | bob2 | Led_Zeppelin: yes, no |
