| 00:00.09 | t-jack | It's good to be home. But I never was the best housekeeper. |
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| 00:00.26 | pyth\wrk | bipolar: hehe. wait a few more weeks and 3.1/sarge should be out i think.. |
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| 00:00.34 | kidaz | Any Ideas?? |
| 00:00.37 | graytron | johnga1t: good luck |
| 00:00.45 | bipolar | pyth\wrk: yeah, but will it be a smother upgrade then?> |
| 00:00.52 | green-earz | kidaz: why not downlaod the sarge cds and start the install with liunx26 to install the 2.6 kernel |
| 00:00.53 | zbowling | how many more bugs to go until sarge becomes stable? |
| 00:01.09 | citral | kidaz: by loading the module of your card probably |
| 00:01.15 | pyth\wrk | bipolar: no, but the official release of sarge will launch. |
| 00:01.24 | johnga1t | graytron : will the fact that i followed the "easy way" on http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch04s04.html mess me up? |
| 00:01.34 | pyth\wrk | or, that 3.1 release anyway |
| 00:01.55 | citral | kidaz: which kind of ethernet card do you have ? |
| 00:01.55 | kidaz | citral, no, it doesnt have the e1000 driver |
| 00:01.57 | bipolar | pyth\wrk: might as well do it now then. :) |
| 00:02.08 | green-earz | kidaz: to do the job will need to use jibo-lite for the sarge cds .iso |
| 00:02.10 | johnga1t | graytron : crap. did mknod /dev/sda1 b 8 1 and then tried mount /dev/sda1 /hd-media, but no luck. ideas? |
| 00:02.15 | zbowling | e1000 i use that... :-) |
| 00:02.15 | pyth\wrk | bipolar: yeah, guess so. :) |
| 00:02.30 | johnga1t | mentor : didn't work. (see msg to graytron for exactly what i did.) ideas? |
| 00:02.36 | green-earz | kidaz: or look on ebay for the sarge cds |
| 00:02.46 | jcole_deb | i'm trying to loopback mount (mount -o loop mx.iso mx/) the dreamweaver mx cd image and get a "mount: Not a directory", any suggestions? do i have to pass and special params? other cds work fine... |
| 00:02.50 | kidaz | green-earz, Hmmm yep thats possible, just have to wait for download |
| 00:02.53 | bipolar | pyth\wrk: thats why this great channel of helpful people exists! To help me when I fubar my upgrade :) |
| 00:03.00 | citral | kidaz: yes, try the new installer |
| 00:03.07 | citral | !tell kidaz about d-i |
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| 00:03.13 | pyth\wrk | bipolar: hehe |
| 00:03.18 | graytron | johnga1t: difficult for me to say really. i don't have that much experience with memory sticks |
| 00:03.28 | graytron | johnga1t: seems to be appropriate |
| 00:03.29 | citral | kidaz: install with a 2.6 kernel, it has the driver of your card |
| 00:03.49 | kenboo | jcole_deb, mount -t iso 9660 -o loop ./mx.iso /mnt |
| 00:03.53 | gx1 | whats the best/easiest way to upgrade my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6? i found these directions on google: http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
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| 00:04.05 | kenboo | iso9660 even |
| 00:04.06 | jcole_deb | actually, i think i'm a moron, and thats a corrupted file...brb |
| 00:04.06 | pijani_lovac | how can i set ulimit to unlimit? |
| 00:04.09 | johnga1t | mentor : i get a ":no such device or address" error |
| 00:04.09 | novice | hey guys... |
| 00:04.16 | kenboo | heh |
| 00:04.38 | kidaz | citral, yep... I guessed that a big download was unavoidable... thanks for the confirmation :) |
| 00:04.38 | pyth\wrk | gx1: easiest way: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.x etc |
| 00:04.45 | zbowling | which is better, an intel pro 100 server series adapter or a basic intel e1000 adapter? |
| 00:04.50 | pyth\wrk | gx1: best way: download from kernel.org |
| 00:04.54 | pyth\wrk | and do it yourself |
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| 00:05.08 | graytron | johnga1t: you might want to try mounting /dev/sda too though, regardless of what i said earlier |
| 00:05.10 | zbowling | that is the best... |
| 00:05.11 | citral | kidaz: you downloaded 8 cd's for nothing :) |
| 00:05.23 | novice | i can't open my /cdrom throughout my xmms. i tried to mount /cdrom in /mnt/cdrom/ but no success. what should i to hear my songs?? |
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| 00:05.25 | green-earz | kidaz: after the sarge boot disk is up at the first promnt type linux26 the install the 2.6 kernel |
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| 00:05.33 | at386 | ;) |
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| 00:06.09 | zbowling | is anyone going to update the sarge download for jigdo so we can get a dvd image again? |
| 00:06.10 | johnga1t | graytron : did try that, no luck. intersting thing tho ... my /proc/partitions looks different than it did under 2.6 (for good reasons, i'm sure) |
| 00:06.14 | pmcdonnell | I made a pretty significant oversight when I installed a new Debian web server : I forgot to install sshd. Now, I can't access it from home. It is running Apache, however. Is there any way I could possibly get to a shell and install sshd? |
| 00:06.15 | Ox_King | in irssi, how do you turn on the logging feature? |
| 00:06.35 | citral | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.46 | Ox_King | will that just do channels citral? |
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| 00:06.58 | pyth\wrk | pmcdonnell: no. |
| 00:07.11 | citral | Ox_King: ask in #irssi, they are very nice :) |
| 00:07.11 | green-earz | zbowling: it was update a couple of weeks ago |
| 00:07.16 | spoopin | novice: try opening it with /dev/cdrom (assuming you have a symlink to the real device) |
| 00:07.34 | zbowling | green-earz: but jigdo fails if its over a week |
| 00:07.37 | maher | pmcdonnell: no - unless you know some remote exploits... |
| 00:07.39 | pmcdonnell | pyth\wrk, damn... I'll have to go over there tomorrow and do it there,,, |
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| 00:08.05 | johnga1t | mentor : you around? |
| 00:08.05 | lopek | hey fellas im having a problem loading KDE can anyone help? |
| 00:08.09 | pyth\wrk | pmcdonnell: you should be happy there aint a way, would look kinda ugly if debian came with exploits in release ;) |
| 00:08.22 | CrAzYoNi | To the user I'm going to play with on the SSH I don't have any allow access... how can i give him some? I can't run for him even "wget" :\ |
| 00:08.23 | lopek | im working off a new install so im thinking im missing hsit |
| 00:08.27 | citral | lopek: ask, or ask in #debian-kde |
| 00:08.33 | kidaz | citral, Yup.... that was about 6 months ago.... I realise the beauty of apt-get +broadband now |
| 00:08.34 | lopek | ok |
| 00:08.43 | novice | spoopin: yes i do. let me see here... |
| 00:08.47 | citral | kidaz: ahhhhh :))) |
| 00:08.54 | lopek | i did apt-get install x-windows-system, configured it, then did apt-get install kdm |
| 00:09.01 | lopek | but its still at X |
| 00:09.09 | lopek | i cant load KDE |
| 00:09.14 | CrAzYoNi | apt-get install kde?:\ |
| 00:09.16 | zbowling | green-earz: that is why it used to be done weekly automatically at one point, but now that that doesn't work anymore... |
| 00:09.21 | citral | lopek: muh ? still at X ? |
| 00:09.26 | lopek | well |
| 00:09.30 | lopek | its kinda hard to explain |
| 00:09.36 | CrAzYoNi | lopek |
| 00:09.37 | lopek | like a gray background |
| 00:09.40 | zbowling | apt-get install gnome is better isn't it? |
| 00:09.41 | CrAzYoNi | apt-get install kde |
| 00:09.41 | CrAzYoNi | ? |
| 00:09.50 | lopek | nah i did apt-get install kdm |
| 00:09.53 | CrAzYoNi | Do this one.. :) |
| 00:09.58 | citral | lopek: look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log and tell us the error message |
| 00:10.00 | zbowling | apt-get install * |
| 00:10.00 | CrAzYoNi | kdm! = kde :\ |
| 00:10.01 | zbowling | lol |
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| 00:10.03 | kidaz | green-earz, will the smaller businesscard install have linux26 on it? |
| 00:10.04 | graytron | johnga1t: i'm trying to find some howto i found useful :) |
| 00:10.13 | johnga1t | graytron : thanks. |
| 00:10.14 | Tetsou | anyone know alot about mail servers? ) |
| 00:10.18 | CrAzYoNi | You are on sarge I assume.. just like me.. |
| 00:10.26 | Tetsou | on woody |
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| 00:10.39 | zbowling | apt-get install fortune |
| 00:10.58 | CrAzYoNi | I did the: apt-get install x-windows-system; apt-get install foot(something..); apt-get install kde & I had KDE :) |
| 00:11.09 | lopek | hrm file is empty |
| 00:11.09 | citral | CrAzYoNi: woahhhh |
| 00:11.17 | lopek | yes crazy |
| 00:11.23 | green-earz | kidaz: use the net-installer instead of the businesscard, i find i have better results with net-install and yes linux26 |
| 00:11.29 | lopek | i am using Sarge |
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| 00:11.42 | CrAzYoNi | <citral> CrAzYoNi: woahhhh --> why?:\ |
| 00:11.45 | Orfeous | hi please help me with this error |
| 00:11.46 | Orfeous | ERROR: It looks as if you are running two copies of mrtg in parallel on |
| 00:11.48 | Orfeous | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.51 | Orfeous | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.54 | Orfeous | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.56 | kenboo | anyone knows Palm Pilot like window manager for X ? |
| 00:11.58 | kidaz | green-earz, Thanks for your help man :) |
| 00:11.58 | spoopin | novice: any luck? |
| 00:12.02 | lopek | crazyoni what shoudl i do? |
| 00:12.10 | lopek | i hate this desktop thats running its very old school heh |
| 00:12.19 | pyth\wrk | lopek: you ran kdm and you came into X with a grey background? |
| 00:12.28 | citral | Orfeous: look in crontab, then |
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| 00:12.53 | zbowling | i accendtly installed with ext2 instead of reiserfs on my primary drive... |
| 00:12.53 | zbowling | will convertfs work on a boot drive or shoot i boot to knoppix and do it from over there remotely? |
| 00:12.55 | green-earz | kidaz: no problem at all and all the best with your net install |
| 00:12.57 | Orfeous | citral: i have.. |
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| 00:13.06 | lopek | pyth: no |
| 00:13.09 | lopek | i came to cmd line |
| 00:13.13 | lopek | did startx |
| 00:13.24 | pyth\wrk | lopek: well then. kill X and start kdm |
| 00:13.30 | Orfeous | i cant see nothing wrong in crontab |
| 00:13.41 | lopek | how? |
| 00:13.48 | citral | Orfeous: and ? I presume you have two entries for mrtg. |
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| 00:13.50 | CrAzYoNi | hmmm.. |
| 00:14.01 | pyth\wrk | lopek: ctrl + alt + backspace should work |
| 00:14.04 | Orfeous | citral: i cant find it.. |
| 00:14.14 | CrAzYoNi | what is the command on console that X will run automaticlly when it starts KDE or any other type of desktop? |
| 00:14.33 | citral | Orfeous: I you have two eyes, you car read that crontab is in /etc/crontab |
| 00:14.34 | zbowling | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:14.38 | lopek | pyth |
| 00:14.41 | lopek | that worked but |
| 00:14.43 | pyth\wrk | lopek |
| 00:14.45 | lopek | gives me a gui login |
| 00:14.56 | Orfeous | citral: as i said.. i have read it.. its empty |
| 00:14.58 | zbowling | thats a good think |
| 00:14.59 | lopek | when i try to login under my user account it brings me back to the login screen |
| 00:14.59 | pyth\wrk | great, choose kde in that configure then |
| 00:15.05 | gx1 | why is downloadin and compiling the kernel yourself better than apt-get install kernel, etc |
| 00:15.08 | carkey | hello, im using gdm but when i log in as the user gnome wont start up, does anyone know how to help? |
| 00:15.12 | maher | gx1: its not |
| 00:15.17 | pyth\wrk | lopek: and kde is chosen? |
| 00:15.17 | zbowling | gnome for life |
| 00:15.20 | graytron | johnga1t: no luck. i'm trying to read some backlog from earlier (concerning your problem) |
| 00:15.25 | lopek | its just a login box |
| 00:15.29 | lopek | like u would have for windows |
| 00:15.31 | Orfeous | citral: hmm.. its not empty. but there are nothing that has to do with mrtg |
| 00:15.39 | gx1 | or is it just a personal preference, like compiling yourself is good if you wanna configure it more |
| 00:15.44 | lopek | no place to choose kdm |
| 00:15.51 | citral | Orfeous: did you open this file as root ? |
| 00:16.07 | Orfeous | yes |
| 00:16.16 | lopek | sorry pyth im kinda new heh |
| 00:16.18 | pyth\wrk | lopek: KDM = the login manager. KDE = the desktop manager |
| 00:16.22 | lopek | oh |
| 00:16.24 | lopek | well |
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| 00:16.31 | lopek | when i do apt-get install kde i get an error |
| 00:16.42 | pyth\wrk | saying? |
| 00:17.04 | Kbyte | what mean "READ YOUR DSA"? |
| 00:17.12 | zbowling | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.29 | lopek | package kde is not available but is referred to by another package |
| 00:17.36 | Orfeous | citral: there is a file called mrtg in /etc/cron.d/ |
| 00:17.45 | osh | Kbyte: Debian Security Announcement. Read it and understand why You should update your system every now and then. |
| 00:17.47 | zbowling | run deb on it and force it |
| 00:17.53 | maher | lopek: are you on sarge |
| 00:18.00 | lopek | yes |
| 00:18.13 | maher | lopek: read the topic |
| 00:18.16 | Kbyte | zbowling: lol, Can I use this aphorism for my sign? :) |
| 00:18.20 | lopek | i cant see it |
| 00:18.27 | maher | lopek: /topic |
| 00:18.36 | zbowling | :-) |
| 00:18.39 | Orfeous | citral: and i got a mrtg-file in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 00:18.48 | zbowling | Kbyte: go ahead i guess |
| 00:18.49 | Kbyte | osh: I mismatch it for dsa encrypted keys :) |
| 00:18.49 | lopek | not enough parameters heh |
| 00:19.12 | maher | lopek: in your irc client |
| 00:19.19 | lopek | yea i know |
| 00:19.20 | lopek | i did |
| 00:19.23 | osh | Kbyte: So did I. =) |
| 00:19.31 | citral | Orfeous: you are probably running mrtg in parallel of crontab then ... |
| 00:19.39 | lopek | what does topic say |
| 00:19.40 | lopek | please tell me |
| 00:19.46 | Orfeous | citral: ok, then how to fix it? |
| 00:19.51 | maher | lopek: learn how to use your irc client |
| 00:19.55 | maher | lopek: | kde temporarily gone from testing: #269380 |
| 00:19.56 | osh | lopek: kde temporarily gone from testing: #269380 |
| 00:20.12 | lopek | which means |
| 00:20.20 | maher | lopek: read the bug |
| 00:20.26 | lopek | fuck it imma install the good version |
| 00:20.29 | lopek | pissing me off heh |
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| 00:20.33 | citral | Orfeous: stop mrtg or ddr-tools ? |
| 00:20.46 | lopek | though sarge would be ok to do but doesnt look like it |
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| 00:21.09 | lopek | or... i can just deal with gnome |
| 00:21.12 | lopek | heh |
| 00:21.16 | Orfeous | citral: mrtg must be stopped from crontab |
| 00:21.44 | Tetsou | anyone setup a mailserver on woody ? |
| 00:22.06 | citral | Orfeous: if you don't need mrtg to be croned, then remove it from /etc/cron.d/, what do you think about that ? |
| 00:22.06 | Kbyte | Tetsou: much people do it |
| 00:22.20 | Tetsou | Kbyte i cant get mine to work heh |
| 00:22.24 | maher | Tetsou: probably most people here are debian does it by default |
| 00:22.24 | pyth\wrk | Tetsou: did qmail on slack. worked like a clock |
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| 00:22.37 | Orfeous | citral: mrtg must be running in crontab because mrtg is runned every 5minutes.. |
| 00:22.39 | lopek | thx for putting up with me fellas heh |
| 00:22.46 | maher | Tetsou: say something precise and someone may help |
| 00:23.09 | citral | Orfeous: man mrtg man cron. |
| 00:23.15 | zbowling | i found myself installing freebsd while shooting back a few shots of vodka... then I realized what i was doing and promptly escorted my self out of the colo until i sobered up... |
| 00:23.32 | johnga1t | graytron : you still therE? |
| 00:23.43 | zbowling | now i have a hangover but debian is treating it |
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| 00:24.39 | marmot | I'm working on a hangover ;) |
| 00:24.51 | zbowling | ;-) |
| 00:25.00 | Tetsou | problem is i dont know whats wrong hehe |
| 00:25.04 | graytron | johnga1t: you managed to write the iso-image on the memory stick already then? |
| 00:25.13 | kenboo | happy labors day weekend (thoes in the US) |
| 00:25.18 | lopek | ty |
| 00:25.32 | johnga1t | graytron : i did, indeed. |
| 00:25.37 | maher | Tetsou: describe the problem - how do we know what the problem is? |
| 00:25.43 | johnga1t | graytron : i'm thinking of a possible reason for the problem ... tell me what you think of this |
| 00:25.45 | Poncha | guys, if i set up a proxy with authentication ACL ... how do i tell my browser(s) about that ? every browser i have seen only has ip/port of proxy servers, nothing about auth |
| 00:26.17 | johnga1t | graytron : i formatted the usb drive w/ my mac (which sounds scarier than it is) |
| 00:26.34 | johnga1t | graytron : and i the files are on what mac os x lists as /dev/disk1s3 |
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| 00:26.43 | johnga1t | graytron : s1 and s2 are some partition table crap |
| 00:27.08 | zbowling | most linux people i have found are very smart people... but they always have a catch... like they drink, smoke weed, smoke tons of cigs, play with high voltage, mix paints, drive test vechicals, sky dive, run with bulls, live in the outback, make love to strange women in loss vegas, and sometimes they are defined by the fact they will pay $1000 to fly to germany from the us for a linux con... |
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| 00:27.39 | Poncha | zbowling, lol ;0 |
| 00:27.42 | Poncha | ;)) |
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| 00:28.24 | pyth\wrk | zbowling: you fall under all of those categories? :) |
| 00:28.35 | zbowling | about 5 of them |
| 00:28.41 | zbowling | :-) |
| 00:29.00 | graytron | johnga1t: which file system did you format it with? |
| 00:29.10 | johnga1t | graytron : i formatted w/ "unix" |
| 00:29.21 | johnga1t | graytron " this is option in mac os x "disk utility" |
| 00:29.24 | zbowling | i formated with NTFS baby... hehe... jl |
| 00:29.29 | johnga1t | joeyh : i did, indeed |
| 00:30.09 | lopek | heh |
| 00:30.13 | lopek | my buddy had that issue b4 |
| 00:30.20 | johnga1t | lopek : you've seen this problem? |
| 00:30.23 | lopek | im sure ur boss would be pleased |
| 00:30.33 | citral | !ur |
| 00:30.33 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 00:30.39 | graytron | johnga1t: hmm... i have no experience whatsoever with macs :) wonder what that 'unix filesystem' is |
| 00:30.42 | WiFiTux | lopek, suposedly I have to boot with xp cd and copy the boot files. |
| 00:30.45 | graytron | johnga1t: ext2 ? |
| 00:30.48 | zbowling | hehe... fix your lilo... or just put the windows disk back in and go to the emergancy console and type "fix boot" and "fix mbr" and that will be a quick fix if you soudlnt' of |
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| 00:31.00 | mornzilla | w00t |
| 00:31.07 | rares000 | so you paid $1000 to skydive into a harem while mixing paints before you get run over by a stampede? |
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| 00:31.13 | WiFiTux | hey, is there a MAC Emulator for Linux? |
| 00:31.15 | johnga1t | graytron |
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| 00:31.22 | phogg | can anyone get the latest kdelibs4 from sid, or is it just me? |
| 00:31.23 | zbowling | rares000: exactly... |
| 00:31.30 | citral | WiFiTux: if you have a mac, yes |
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| 00:31.32 | johnga1t | graytron : good question. i can also us ms-dos filesystem, according to howto i read |
| 00:32.01 | WiFiTux | citral, I have PC, and want to Emulate MAC either in XP or MAC, just to get to know it. |
| 00:32.13 | WiFiTux | Don't want to spend $1899 in a MAC |
| 00:32.21 | WiFiTux | Even if the new G5 is nice... |
| 00:32.22 | zbowling | VMWARE for pc based systems |
| 00:32.24 | justin | WiFiTux: so spend $200 on one |
| 00:32.25 | citral | WiFiTux: impossible. |
| 00:32.26 | johnga1t | graytron : ah, ms-dos filesystem is better, i think |
| 00:32.31 | graytron | johnga1t: i suppose debian kernel has support for most filesystems by default.. though can't remember |
| 00:32.44 | WiFiTux | justin, in a piece of crap? |
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| 00:32.50 | maher | WiFiTux: yeah - apple make that really easy so you dont need to buy their expensive hardware |
| 00:33.06 | johnga1t | graytron : well, http://d-i.pascal.at/ says use mkdosfs and stuff |
| 00:33.11 | zbowling | its really not the debian kernel... just a recompiled one with a few hints and quips... |
| 00:33.14 | graytron | johnga1t: fat would be good i suppose |
| 00:33.19 | WiFiTux | maher, well there could be a way... |
| 00:33.25 | graytron | johnga1t: ok that sounds good |
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| 00:33.39 | johnga1t | graytron : so let me try that and see how it goes :)! |
| 00:33.49 | Ox_King | would anyone know where i can get pisg from? i tried apt-get install pisg and it says it's not there :( |
| 00:33.59 | citral | !pisg |
| 00:33.59 | dpkg | i heard pisg is an open-source IRC statistics program, written in perl (http://pisg.sourceforge.net) |
| 00:34.09 | zbowling | you can try to load on a minix partion... or maybe a jfs or xfs or fat12 based file system |
| 00:34.10 | graytron | johnga1t: certainly :) |
| 00:34.22 | phogg | Ox_King: it is present in sid |
| 00:34.33 | johnga1t | graytron : should have just forked out money for a usb-cd drive :) |
| 00:34.42 | Ox_King | phogg: what do you mean? |
| 00:34.48 | johnga1t | graytron : but at this point, it's a challenge |
| 00:34.53 | zbowling | !mac |
| 00:34.53 | dpkg | Apple Macintoshes are prime candidates for Debian installs, at least the m68k-based ones. or acceptable in many powerpc forms... Ask Peidran about that... or Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs, or the hardware address of a network card, or the name of Apple computers |
| 00:35.12 | phogg | Ox_King: if you don't know what sid is, you probably don't want to mess with getting it that way. |
| 00:35.27 | justin | ahhh i love that backronym |
| 00:35.41 | Ox_King | phogg: i admit, i don't know much about linux |
| 00:35.56 | graytron | johnga1t: heh. i'm going to sleep soon myself. hopefully you will overcome the challenge |
| 00:36.03 | citral | Ox_King: http://www.debian.org/releases |
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| 00:36.03 | justin | johnga1t: are you sill trying to get that to work? :-) |
| 00:36.07 | johnga1t | graytron : wlel, thanks for the help |
| 00:36.09 | johnga1t | justin : indeed |
| 00:36.17 | maher | Ox_King: stick with stable - try backports.org if pisg insn't in stab;e |
| 00:36.18 | johnga1t | justin : it just ain't mountin the damn thing |
| 00:36.19 | justin | johnga1t: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 00:36.27 | zbowling | i found some back rub source code (the original google code) at standford's backbone drop.... |
| 00:36.27 | phogg | Ox_King: Debian sid is the unstable branch for debian. Sarge is testing, woody is stable. You probably run Woody. Messing with sid is not recommended unlss you know what you're doing. |
| 00:36.31 | pijani_lovac | can you tell me why the user I added on my system can't connect with ftp? |
| 00:36.31 | johnga1t | justin : trying to get d-i to work off of usb flash key |
| 00:36.36 | pijani_lovac | this is the error msg: |
| 00:36.37 | pijani_lovac | PASS (hidden) |
| 00:36.37 | pijani_lovac | 530 Login incorrect. |
| 00:36.37 | pijani_lovac | Connection failed |
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| 00:36.51 | justin | johnga1t: whats not working? |
| 00:37.05 | justin | johnga1t: are you trying to install ON to one, or off of one? |
| 00:37.07 | Kbyte | pijani_lovac: you must read your auth log file |
| 00:37.17 | citral | pijani_lovac: flood in #flood please |
| 00:37.25 | johnga1t | justin : off of one, onto a pc |
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| 00:37.55 | zbowling | flood to /dev/null... err... i mean #flood... :-) |
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| 00:38.16 | johnga1t | justin : i've followed http://d-i.pascal.at/ instructions ... when i get to part of d-i that searches for the iso i copied from this machine onto the usb key, it can't find the iso |
| 00:38.27 | slisher | I could use help configuring my sound card. I feel like I'm going around in circles. |
| 00:38.34 | justin | johnga1t: can't you just copy the basedebs.tar or whatever? |
| 00:38.48 | citral | slisher: ask |
| 00:38.56 | johnga1t | justin : i don't know. that's not what tutorials say. |
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| 00:39.22 | justin | johnga1t: i would think you would copy the files from theiso onto the cdkey, not the .iso itself |
| 00:39.33 | johnga1t | justin : you're actually supposed to copy the iso |
| 00:39.40 | slisher | citral: I have a yamaha-744b and I can't get it working. |
| 00:39.47 | justin | sure? that sounds kind of convoluted |
| 00:39.49 | johnga1t | justin : but it doesn't matter what i'd copy, b/c i can't see the usbkey filesystem under installed OS |
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| 00:39.59 | johnga1t | justin : i promise. installer even says "looking for iso" |
| 00:40.09 | maher | johnga1t: can you see the usb device? |
| 00:40.09 | citral | slisher: version of debian, kernel, alsa oss ? |
| 00:40.12 | justin | johnga1t: i see, did you get it mounted yet? |
| 00:40.23 | shwag | are there any other options I can use with XFree86 that change how to connect to a remote X server besids -query |
| 00:40.25 | johnga1t | justin : nopers. |
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| 00:40.53 | justin | shwag: X -help ? |
| 00:41.20 | Phated | Watch out for that tree! |
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| 00:41.26 | zbowling | :-D |
| 00:41.27 | slisher | citral: kernel 2.6.7-1-386. trying to use alsa |
| 00:41.39 | justin | johnga1t: fdisk -l work? |
| 00:41.40 | johnga1t | justin : trying different version of d-i ... let's see how it goes :) |
| 00:41.53 | Phated | zbowling: Yeah, you're not the only one who watches silly movies. :D |
| 00:41.53 | johnga1t | justin : gimme few min |
| 00:42.01 | scarynetworkguy | heh |
| 00:42.04 | slisher | citral: how do I check the debian version? |
| 00:42.04 | zbowling | hehe... |
| 00:42.11 | phogg | I've apt-get source'd a package and made some trivial changes. Is there a quick/simple way to rebuild a .deb so I can test it? |
| 00:42.26 | citral | slisher: your module is something like ymfpci |
| 00:42.26 | zbowling | Phated: i'm drinking, coding, and watching that movie |
| 00:42.28 | pijani_lovac | the auth log doesn't show any reason why the session is closed... |
| 00:42.32 | Phated | zbowling: Excellent. :D |
| 00:42.38 | maher | phogg: dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 00:42.41 | scarynetworkguy | nice |
| 00:42.49 | Kbyte | phogg: dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
| 00:42.55 | slisher | citral: I figured that much out but I'm not getting any sound. |
| 00:43.08 | phogg | maher, Kbyte: many thanks |
| 00:43.21 | citral | slisher: did you install alsa-base and ran alsaconf ? |
| 00:43.22 | CrAzYoNi | What group can give my user the access to execute a file? |
| 00:43.39 | zbowling | i write code while drunk... debug with hangovers... and go to work making non open source code for work |
| 00:43.45 | citral | slisher: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=ymfpci |
| 00:43.48 | CrAzYoNi | 'Cause the user I'm working with via the SSH connection can't ping hosts or compile sources :\ |
| 00:43.59 | Phated | CrAzYoNi: The group that owns the directory that the user is in... |
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| 00:44.30 | CrAzYoNi | The folder is under the user home folder, it's a perl script.. |
| 00:44.42 | novice | spoopin: i can read data but not audio cd. |
| 00:44.50 | Phated | Odd. I've never (so far) had a problem with ssh. |
| 00:44.56 | scarynetworkguy | CrAzYoNi: do you have the file set to be executable |
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| 00:45.14 | CrAzYoNi | file set? what is it? chmod & all of this?:\ |
| 00:45.14 | novice | spoopin: /dev/cdrom is pointing to the right way real device |
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| 00:45.22 | johnga1t | justin : apparently fdisk doth not exist on d-i system |
| 00:45.24 | slisher | citral: thanks for the lead. talk to you soon. |
| 00:45.32 | zbowling | if anyone has any conflict issues with dells (desktop, laptop, server, workstation) i can help... i seen just about everything (except openmanage) when it comes to dells and debian |
| 00:45.34 | maher | novice: you can't mount audio cds - use xmcd to play them |
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| 00:45.47 | justin | johnga1t: ah well, cat /proc/partitions |
| 00:45.50 | spoopin | novice: try to apt-get install xmms-cdread - I thought xmms would play cd's without it, but maybe not... |
| 00:46.18 | Phated | zbowling: You need to pay a tariff for advertising in here, dude. |
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| 00:46.33 | citral | spoopin: no it doesn't |
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| 00:46.49 | johnga1t | justin : lots of interesting stuff there, sda, ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/{disk,part{1,2,5}} |
| 00:46.52 | Phated | spoopin, novice: Are you in the audio group? |
| 00:47.18 | justin | johnga1t: does the d-i have /dev/ide/host0... ? |
| 00:47.36 | johnga1t | justin : they all be there. |
| 00:47.39 | novice | maher: i've heard about that...but no cd players can't open my audio cd anyway... |
| 00:47.59 | spoopin | citral: thanks - someone else told me it would, but I just un-installed it and now it be broke :( |
| 00:48.02 | scarynetworkguy | CrAzYoNi: You need to go read about file perms and how to make a file executable. Then you need to it. |
| 00:48.05 | justin | johnga1t: then you should be able to mount it |
| 00:48.06 | zbowling | hehe... i'm only advertising my skillz to help and benifit in a free and open manner.. we are dell white box resalers so we deal with dells day after day... at night though i am the drunken linux dell dude ;-) |
| 00:48.16 | johnga1t | justin : what should i juse as device? |
| 00:48.18 | citral | novice: adduser user cdrom |
| 00:48.25 | johnga1t | justin : wait wait wait |
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| 00:48.26 | maher | novice: check permissions |
| 00:48.30 | novice | spoopin: ok |
| 00:48.32 | johnga1t | justin : something interesting is happening |
| 00:48.39 | CrAzYoNi | ok :\ |
| 00:48.50 | justin | johnga1t: oh wait, the ide would be the system disk, not the usb one |
| 00:48.51 | novice | maher: good...forgot about it.... |
| 00:48.57 | justin | johnga1t: you need to load the usb modules and stuff |
| 00:48.59 | johnga1t | justin : werd ... |
| 00:49.16 | johnga1t | justin : i just had it scan the ide disk. ooooooh. interesting idea. i can boot the old OS and just put the iso on there. |
| 00:49.24 | johnga1t | justin : if that works, well, i'll be plenty happy |
| 00:49.30 | zbowling | anyone get anything biometric security wise to work with anything with linux? |
| 00:49.41 | citral | johnga1t: you can do nothing with a .iso file |
| 00:49.49 | graytron | johnga1t: don't give up on the memory stick ;) |
| 00:49.51 | justin | johnga1t: yeah, just format its /home or whatever and put the iso there |
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| 00:49.58 | johnga1t | justin : fantastical! |
| 00:50.02 | rares000 | biometrics come from Satan |
| 00:50.10 | justin | johnga1t: or its swap if thats was big enough |
| 00:50.36 | johnga1t | justin : i'm embarassed to say that i's a win98 machine (don't worry, it wasn't mine! i didn't do that!) |
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| 00:50.41 | progmaq | any program for rezise partition?? in linux? |
| 00:50.52 | maher | progmaq: parted / qtparted |
| 00:51.04 | justin | win98 machines are good for running putty |
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| 00:51.13 | graytron | progmaq: resize2fs ? |
| 00:51.15 | str | hi there... |
| 00:51.15 | johnga1t | justin : and even then, you've gotta be careful |
| 00:51.17 | johnga1t | :) |
| 00:51.24 | progmaq | maher, very thanxs!!! |
| 00:51.26 | str | anyoen could helo me with NFS? |
| 00:51.27 | novice | maher: u were correct! :) |
| 00:51.30 | progmaq | 3fs |
| 00:51.34 | justin | johnga1t: nono, thats xp, 98 can go more than 2 minutes without getting hacked |
| 00:51.37 | phogg | justin: I find even WinXP machines are good for putty |
| 00:51.38 | florian | how can i tell deconf he should use dialog? |
| 00:51.40 | novice | spoopin: thanks man! ;) |
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| 00:51.48 | zbowling | http://www.memoryexpertsinc.com/en/index.html i'm trying to find an app to use this biometric finger print scanner in linux |
| 00:51.55 | maher | florian: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 00:51.56 | johnga1t | justin : hehehe. but i think it's a bit of heresy to call 98 an "operating system" |
| 00:52.10 | zbowling | i might right the app my self if i can finger it out... i alread reversed engeinered it in windows |
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| 00:52.16 | florian | maher:thx |
| 00:52.20 | rares000 | 98 is an operating miracle failure |
| 00:52.41 | Phated | Yeah, but at least it doesn't try to look like a toy. |
| 00:52.57 | citral | bah, it's quite an heresy to call linux an operating system... it's much more |
| 00:53.04 | str | anyoen could helo me with NFS? |
| 00:53.13 | citral | helo |
| 00:53.27 | Phated | You like you need a dictionary more than help... |
| 00:53.33 | zbowling | its like calling any windows 3.1, 95, 98, or ME an operating system since it really rides on top of DOS still in every version |
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| 00:54.22 | bofh80 | where do i get the kernel-source for 2.6.7-1 ? |
| 00:54.29 | zbowling | kernel.org |
| 00:54.46 | rares000 | aptitude |
| 00:54.52 | citral | bofh80: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.7 if you're running sarge or sid |
| 00:55.00 | graytron | bofh80: packages.debian.org |
| 00:55.01 | zbowling | or with deb you can get "apt-get install kernel-package" to help you |
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| 00:55.15 | bofh80 | citral: did that, invidia installer told me to bugga off |
| 00:55.24 | citral | !nvidia |
| 00:55.24 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs'. That should explain all you need to know. |
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| 00:55.43 | zbowling | !crap-vidia |
| 00:55.45 | progmaq | maher qtparted is really good!! I see srenshoot, (sorry my english, im spanish) |
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| 00:55.56 | citral | olé |
| 00:55.57 | sgeigerbot | Whenever I try to bring up a new virtual interface, I get "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address" What can I do to fix this? (Rebooting does fix it...but that's not really the ideal solution...) |
| 00:55.59 | zbowling | nope... i wish nvidia would go OS |
| 00:56.30 | zbowling | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.42 | trapper-- | what car should i look for to get good video out, this is just to watch movies, i dont need any uber-gaming card |
| 00:56.56 | zbowling | justin: hehe that is what i got |
| 00:57.07 | justin | zbowling: do you have dual 17" lcds? |
| 00:57.08 | citral | trapper--: then, even a rage xl is ok :) |
| 00:57.11 | zbowling | yep |
| 00:57.12 | zbowling | :-) |
| 00:57.17 | justin | cool :-) |
| 00:57.27 | rares000 | hmm |
| 00:57.28 | zbowling | 18 inch |
| 00:57.36 | trapper-- | citral does that have good quality output? better than nividia cards etc |
| 00:58.00 | citral | trapper--: noooo, it's "old", but ok for videos |
| 00:58.11 | graytron | sgeigerbot: i suppose "/sbin/ifdown -a; /sbin/ifup -a" won't help? |
| 00:58.13 | trapper-- | himmm |
| 00:58.15 | progmaq | I have NVIDIA driver, but if i run KDE and change to terminal (CTRL+ALT+F2), my screen is death. If i use 80x25 mode, it don't do. Why I can use NVIDIA driver and VESA console? |
| 00:58.45 | progmaq | sorry, Why I can't... |
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| 00:58.54 | justin | progmaq: if you want a nice console run X + xterm -fa foo :-) |
| 00:59.04 | justin | fb consoles are slow and buggy |
| 00:59.07 | zbowling | secure print system... hum... a biometric printer where you print your job and it ques at the printer.. then you have to go up to it and put your finger on its sensor to get the document to print out so no one can steal it... |
| 00:59.11 | zbowling | what a waste |
| 00:59.15 | citral | progmaq: there are some people in #nvidia who probably know better |
| 00:59.36 | progmaq | I adore KDE, buy i like more the console without X |
| 00:59.45 | progmaq | console is best with 80x25? |
| 01:00.03 | citral | progmaq: apt-get install cplay giftcurs irssi-text emacs21 |
| 01:00.11 | citral | mpg321 |
| 01:00.14 | justin | progmaq: no, the nvidia drivers are better without fb consoles |
| 01:00.32 | CrAzYoNi | Can I spy any of the users that I gave axx to via the SSH? |
| 01:00.39 | CrAzYoNi | from the local box? |
| 01:00.40 | citral | elinks |
| 01:00.49 | zbowling | will debian include php5 soon because I'm tired of building myself |
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| 01:00.51 | zbowling | ? |
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| 01:01.00 | citral | CrAzYoNi: #H4x0R |
| 01:01.04 | maher | CrAzYoNi: do your users like toread irc logs? |
| 01:01.12 | bipolar | I'm scared shitless |
| 01:01.18 | progmaq | thnx, now my core dont have fb console |
| 01:01.46 | zbowling | oops... been loging this irc convo... and i've been in here for a while... its a little big now |
| 01:01.53 | rares000 | what feature of php5 are you using? |
| 01:02.14 | citral | zbowling: oh my god... 1 Mega ? :) |
| 01:02.23 | CrAzYoNi | maher, If they will have to, they will start to like, why? |
| 01:02.40 | zbowling | xsl tranfermations and new php OOP modles |
| 01:02.43 | zbowling | models |
| 01:02.46 | maher | CrAzYoNi: they like to read irc logs of you askign how to spy on them? |
| 01:03.03 | CrAzYoNi | hmm I don't care... |
| 01:03.11 | CrAzYoNi | I need to know what they doin' on my box.. |
| 01:03.34 | tican | CrAzYoNi: If you don't trust them, don't give them access! |
| 01:03.44 | citral | CrAzYoNi: you are probably looking for ethereal |
| 01:03.59 | zbowling | a lot code will break from php4 to 5... since they removed deprecated objects... |
| 01:04.01 | CrAzYoNi | what is it ethereal? |
| 01:04.17 | citral | CrAzYoNi: a graphic sniffer |
| 01:04.19 | jetscreamer | break |
| 01:04.23 | WiFiTux | yast2 sucks! SuSe sucks!! |
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| 01:04.31 | jetscreamer | your spelling sux! |
| 01:04.35 | citral | !start a distro war |
| 01:04.35 | dpkg | Rock rox0rz! |
| 01:04.37 | CrAzYoNi | Yeah.. sounds good :) |
| 01:04.38 | idnar | !start a distro war |
| 01:04.43 | idnar | mmph |
| 01:04.48 | jetscreamer | idnar? |
| 01:04.48 | zbowling | I've got a cd set of RHEL WS if anyone wants to pay me to burn an record it and post it on the net... :-) |
| 01:04.51 | sgeigerbot | graytron: A: This usually indicates a hardware conflict with your ethernet controller. Run "ifconfig -a" and check the IRQ and I/O addresses used by the controller. Also, look at the contents of the files /proc/interrupts and /proc/pci to determine what IRQ and I/O addresses are in use on your system. Many ethernet and SCSI drivers cannot share interrupts under Linux. Your system most likely has an IRQ conflict. |
| 01:04.56 | mentor | WiFiTux: You have to be more imaginative if you want to abuse of distros in here. |
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| 01:04.59 | WiFiTux | jetscreamer, no, yours do, suck is not with x |
| 01:04.59 | sgeigerbot | graytron: To fix IRQ conflicts on PCI bus systems, you can often go into the motherboard BIOS setup and mark the conflicting IRQ as "Used by an ISA Device". This will force the motherboard to reassign the IRQ, often eliminating the conflict. |
| 01:05.04 | idnar | jetscreamer: citral stole my fun :P |
| 01:05.11 | mentor | WiFiTux: Here;s some ants and honey. |
| 01:05.21 | WiFiTux | mentor, ah? |
| 01:05.23 | graytron | sgeigerbot: damn! did i lose some Q&A contest? :) |
| 01:05.37 | WiFiTux | !SuSe Sucks! |
| 01:05.38 | sgeigerbot | graytron: We can't all be bots. |
| 01:05.39 | progmaq | finally dude, I have KDE 3.2.2, the last kernel, last Xf86 and last nvidia driver, but if I change the KDE RESOLUTION, 800x600 to 1024, the zone usuable, only is of 800x600, i need restart KDE, why? |
| 01:05.45 | mentor | sgeigerbot: Hmmm, why does that have to be drug induced? Maybe you're just very attractive? |
| 01:05.47 | citral | WiFiTux: it's ok. |
| 01:06.00 | WiFiTux | citral, what's ok!? |
| 01:06.01 | sgeigerbot | mentor: Okay, I can't argue with that. |
| 01:06.03 | mentor | sgeigerbot: But some won't qualify as human... |
| 01:06.04 | jetscreamer | x doesn't change res very well |
| 01:06.10 | citral | WiFiTux: stop it please. |
| 01:06.12 | mentor | haha |
| 01:06.14 | WiFiTux | I just screwed by Boss PC for installing that shit, |
| 01:06.17 | WiFiTux | citral, ok |
| 01:06.18 | justin | jetscreamer: says you |
| 01:06.34 | mentor | jetscreamer: nor handle monitor frequencies very well. |
| 01:06.34 | zbowling | we get tons and tons of CD sets of RHEL since we resale dells and they come with that... i install debian before resaling them to our contracted companies... |
| 01:06.43 | justin | progmaq: tell X to use 1024 in the first place |
| 01:06.44 | jetscreamer | justin, i mean like ctrl/alt/+/- |
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| 01:06.53 | WiFiTux | zbowling, Dell Servers? |
| 01:06.56 | mentor | ~beer zbowling |
| 01:07.00 | jetscreamer | changes siz but not res (or somelthing like that) |
| 01:07.04 | zbowling | yeh sometimes... |
| 01:07.06 | mentor | zbowling: Why not order them without an OS? |
| 01:07.10 | justin | jetscreamer: what is wrong with the way that works? |
| 01:07.11 | mentor | !beer zbowling |
| 01:07.14 | goodtimes | what can I type to see how much bandwidth is being used? |
| 01:07.18 | SharkY | hi |
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| 01:07.21 | zbowling | because we can't all the time.. |
| 01:07.24 | WiFiTux | mentor, do they ship without an OS? |
| 01:07.24 | mentor | Ah, you were lucky this time. |
| 01:07.29 | slisher | Why won't Grip recognize and audio cd? |
| 01:07.31 | jetscreamer | justin, i'd kinda like it to fit in the screen... i wasn't bitchin btw |
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| 01:07.41 | trapper-- | himmm |
| 01:07.45 | zbowling | some do... some don't.. some only with windows... some only with openvms... |
| 01:07.45 | justin | jetscreamer: good thing theres xrandr then eh? |
| 01:07.46 | mentor | WiFiTux: Well, I seem to remember that MS forbade them from doing that...but you can get them with FreeDOS IIRC. |
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| 01:07.56 | progmaq | justin, but my XF86Config-4 have 800x600 and 1024x765. The X start with 800x600 and if I like change resolution, i need change KDE option and restart KDE |
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| 01:08.16 | WiFiTux | mentor, FreeDOS? |
| 01:08.18 | mentor | jetscreamer: Oh, you mean not resizinf hte virtual desktop as well as the frame buffer. |
| 01:08.18 | jetscreamer | i lost intrest in x about when that came out so i never played with it |
| 01:08.23 | zbowling | www.dell.com/linux or linux.dell.com |
| 01:08.26 | jetscreamer | yeah that |
| 01:08.26 | mentor | WiFiTux: It's Free DOS. |
| 01:08.36 | trapper-- | The latest apt source for xmame i could find is v0.83, the latest xmame out is v0.86 Do i keep looking for apt sources... or do I try and compile it from the source on my own? |
| 01:08.38 | vipersniper | can i apt-get the 2.6 kernel for debian?? |
| 01:08.42 | WiFiTux | mentor, My company has 1600PC and bought the License again. |
| 01:08.57 | mentor | 'the License'? |
| 01:08.58 | jetscreamer | yes vipersniper but which debian (sagre|sid|woody) |
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| 01:09.03 | rares000 | vipersniper yes |
| 01:09.04 | progmaq | I readed that the last version of XF86 no is necesary restart |
| 01:09.06 | jetscreamer | sarge even |
| 01:09.07 | citral | goodtimes: ifstat |
| 01:09.18 | goodtimes | citral: thx |
| 01:09.27 | zbowling | http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/precn_n?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd linux workstations from dell |
| 01:09.32 | mentor | vipersniper: joe? |
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| 01:09.52 | zbowling | got a brand new 670n on my desk right now |
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| 01:10.05 | zbowling | full loaded.. $4250 retail |
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| 01:10.25 | WiFiTux | mentor, Liscense, or whatever |
| 01:10.44 | mentor | WiFiTux: No, the spelling was correct, I just didn't understand which License you meant. |
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| 01:10.53 | mentor | Licence? |
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| 01:11.36 | vipersniper | jetscreamer, debian woody |
| 01:11.51 | johnga1t | justin : you still around? |
| 01:12.00 | johnga1t | justin : waiting for verdict right now :) |
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| 01:12.03 | WiFiTux | mentor, oh, Win2k's. |
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| 01:12.17 | acefalo | hi there |
| 01:12.24 | dan2 | are there any games for linux like infantry |
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| 01:12.37 | servus | I've *never* gotten the Debian installer to work correctly =-/. |
| 01:12.49 | acefalo | how i can increase max user processes, the default value, for all users? |
| 01:12.54 | progmaq | The error: I change resolution with KDE, X change 800 to 1024 nice, but KDE think that his have 800 yet |
| 01:12.54 | xoz | dan2: apt-cache search game |
| 01:12.56 | hex|zzz | servus, woody or sarge? |
| 01:12.59 | WiFiTux | OK, I need someone to help me with one thing please! This is my boss PC! i installed SuSe and can't get it to boot in XP again. Just want Xp, Fuck SuSe, and the #suse people are clueless |
| 01:13.05 | hex|zzz | servus, #debian-boot for install issues |
| 01:13.05 | zbowling | i've got a copy of linux version of Railroad Tycoon that was misshiped to eb-games in the mall |
| 01:13.13 | servus | Sarge. |
| 01:13.24 | mentor | WiFiTux: More fool them ;) |
| 01:13.25 | vipersniper | jetscreamer, what do i type with apt-get install kernel-source-2.6 |
| 01:13.31 | hex|zzz | WiFiTux, go into the system bios. change disk access method to LBA, not Auto |
| 01:13.33 | servus | I've never had a succesful installation on *several* entirely different systems. *Grumble* |
| 01:13.44 | zbowling | WiFiTux: put in the 2000 cd and go the recovery console... type fixboot |
| 01:13.48 | zbowling | then type fixmbr |
| 01:13.59 | zbowling | or the xp cd or whatever |
| 01:14.02 | schbond | servus: are you trying on fairly standard hardware? |
| 01:14.06 | WiFiTux | zbowling, already did that, but this thing is in the mbr I think |
| 01:14.15 | zbowling | type fixmbr |
| 01:14.17 | WiFiTux | oh fixmbr then.. |
| 01:14.31 | WiFiTux | zbowling, you would make my day with that.. |
| 01:14.33 | zbowling | :-) i do boot each time... fixes boot sector virus's |
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| 01:15.14 | zbowling | windows l33t... linux w00t |
| 01:15.24 | WiFiTux | okok Fixmbr, oh god please... |
| 01:15.24 | vipersniper | it says apt-get can't find 2.6 kernel |
| 01:15.26 | zbowling | i am not to say windows is l33t... |
| 01:15.34 | WiFiTux | really, this is fu**** up |
| 01:15.35 | hex|zzz | vipersniper, distro? |
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| 01:16.06 | WiFiTux | vipersniper, apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6 |
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| 01:16.08 | xoz | vipersniper: full name of kernel 2.6 you want? |
| 01:16.21 | acefalo | anyone to helpme? |
| 01:16.24 | WiFiTux | vipersniper, else apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 or whatever |
| 01:16.40 | zbowling | 2.6.8.1 |
| 01:16.47 | WiFiTux | no 1 |
| 01:16.55 | xoz | WiFiTux: why *source*? |
| 01:17.07 | WiFiTux | xoz, he want the sources or the image? |
| 01:17.09 | zbowling | not yet? |
| 01:17.11 | cafuego | vipersniper: Are you using woody or sarge? (testing or stable?) |
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| 01:17.43 | WiFiTux | zbowling, not yet what? |
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| 01:17.49 | vipersniper | cafuego, woody |
| 01:17.55 | mentor | zbowling: Most of the cost on that system being hte large SCSI drives? |
| 01:17.58 | dan2 | mm freeciv |
| 01:17.58 | zbowling | i was talking about the 2.6.8.1 kernel in debian... |
| 01:18.07 | zbowling | i use SATA |
| 01:18.08 | hex|zzz | vipersniper, no 2.6 in woody |
| 01:18.14 | WiFiTux | zbowling, it comes up as 2.6.8 |
| 01:18.19 | zbowling | ohh |
| 01:18.26 | cafuego | vipersniper: Woody has no 2.6 kernerls, it's lacking the supporting software to run one. |
| 01:18.29 | hex|zzz | zbowling, 2.6.8 on debian includes the minor typo correction of 2.6.8.1 |
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| 01:18.48 | rares000 | what's the transfer rate on SATA? |
| 01:18.49 | WiFiTux | zbowling, has the same problem, and thouth it wasn't uploaded until I searched it |
| 01:18.56 | WiFiTux | 150mbps peak |
| 01:19.01 | carkey | i need some help with gdm |
| 01:19.05 | initech | rares000: 1kbit/minute |
| 01:19.09 | zbowling | ohhh |
| 01:19.18 | cafuego | rares000: I find about the same as an ATA133 disk |
| 01:19.20 | WiFiTux | rares000, benchmarks have said Ultra 133 and SATA are almost the same |
| 01:19.22 | zbowling | i build from kernel.org most of the time |
| 01:19.25 | vipersniper | cafuego, how do i get debian with the 2.6 kernel then |
| 01:19.27 | WiFiTux | cafuego, correct |
| 01:19.34 | rares000 | then the point is? |
| 01:19.36 | zbowling | but SATA does 10k rpm better |
| 01:19.43 | cafuego | WiFiTux: Yeah, I ran bonnie++ and hdparm a bit :-) |
| 01:19.46 | WiFiTux | rares000, 150 is the answer |
| 01:19.51 | hex|zzz | WiFiTux, all drives bar 2 on the market are physically identical bar a pata-to-sata bridge chip |
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| 01:20.13 | zbowling | limited hotplug for sata though |
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| 01:20.14 | initech | the rpm of the drive lowers the seek times considerably, and all the fast ones are scsi or sata |
| 01:20.16 | hex|zzz | sata isn;t about faster, it's about features - ncq, hotplug |
| 01:20.17 | WiFiTux | rares000, the cool thing is that does not use jumpers and the cable is small |
| 01:20.19 | carkey | when i login as user gnome doenst start up |
| 01:20.20 | vipersniper | cafuego, how do i get debian with the 2.6 kernel then, where do i download from |
| 01:20.27 | mentor | ncq? |
| 01:20.27 | citral | mmmh. someone now how the fuck is bob2 op ? |
| 01:20.34 | cafuego | vipersniper: You cna either upgrade to sarge (which should become stable over the next few weeks) or you can install backports of support software for 2.6 kernels and *then* install a 2.6 kernel from sarge. |
| 01:20.38 | hex|zzz | vipersniper, use a distribution made in the last 2 years, such as debian sarge? |
| 01:20.39 | mentor | The 10krpm SATA drives seem to do well. |
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| 01:20.44 | Guerin | citral: because he's the fuckin' man? |
| 01:20.53 | johnga1t | mentor : i've made some progress on the usb key install |
| 01:21.09 | mentor | johnga1t: how's it going. |
| 01:21.11 | johnga1t | mentor : tricked installer by just copying iso to ide drive that's already in the machien. |
| 01:21.13 | citral | Guerin: I don't know him so much, but I found him very annoying. |
| 01:21.13 | initech | citral: bob2's been an op for years, wtf? |
| 01:21.14 | cafuego | citral: Any reason he shouldn't be an op? |
| 01:21.17 | zbowling | i love my 72 gig 10k rpm sata and my back up 400gig 7200 rpm sata drives |
| 01:21.25 | mentor | citral: Because he does more moderating than most of hte other ops put together... |
| 01:21.30 | WiFiTux | ohh shit!! |
| 01:21.34 | xoz | vipersniper: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 01:21.38 | WiFiTux | zbowling, still NTLDR is missing... |
| 01:21.38 | citral | bah |
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| 01:21.43 | johnga1t | mentor : so circumvented having to mount usb key totally. (weird thing is that after doing that, the key is mounted to /hd-media!) |
| 01:21.53 | fateisajester | i just installed sarge |
| 01:21.56 | WiFiTux | zbowling, what is that 7MB partiton for? maybe got removed? |
| 01:22.00 | mentor | johnga1t: Hmm...and you have the sda dev nodes now? |
| 01:22.06 | fateisajester | how do i set my video card settings |
| 01:22.11 | fateisajester | im using kde |
| 01:22.17 | johnga1t | mentor : no sda devices. mounted from /dev/disks/blahblahblah |
| 01:22.23 | baka03 | WiFiTux reinstall windows on top of itself |
| 01:22.24 | mentor | johnga1t: ah. |
| 01:22.26 | Guerin | fateisajester: which settings? Can you get into KDE? |
| 01:22.27 | zbowling | WiFiTux: then the table move around a bit... might need EDR or partion magic or maybe an NTFS data rescue and restore... |
| 01:22.27 | cafuego | fateisajester: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:22.30 | johnga1t | mentor : but now it says "creating of ext3 filesystem failed" |
| 01:22.33 | WiFiTux | baka03, I know... |
| 01:22.38 | baka03 | takes about 30mins but will keep all your files |
| 01:22.39 | johnga1t | mentor : when trying to partition the ide drive in there |
| 01:22.52 | mentor | johnga1t: Does it repropducibly mount the usb key now? |
| 01:22.52 | WiFiTux | Will reinstall windows on top. |
| 01:22.55 | fateisajester | yes im in kde but my screen is cocked to the right alot |
| 01:23.05 | mentor | johnga1t: Do you get any more details from the log windows? |
| 01:23.11 | Guerin | fateisajester: that sounds like a monitor issue. |
| 01:23.19 | mentor | fateisajester: Umm, isn't that your monitor geometry? |
| 01:23.37 | Guerin | fateisajester: your monitor should have some conrols to fiddle with; fiddle with them. |
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| 01:23.42 | WiFiTux | zbowling, at least does not say SuSe anymore!!! haha he won't tell it was me who fucked! up! |
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| 01:23.59 | johnga1t | mentor : one sec |
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| 01:24.05 | mentor | WiFiTux: Ah, you can now apply the problem solving flowchart. |
| 01:24.10 | fateisajester | iv fiddled |
| 01:24.11 | baka03 | WiFiTux will not use Suse anymore |
| 01:24.41 | rares000 | SUSE is a sweet distro though |
| 01:24.42 | fateisajester | and i cant get 1024x786 |
| 01:24.45 | citral | Suse is not bad |
| 01:24.56 | WiFiTux | baka03, I hate that shit! you know. I know use it anymore, I think our client wants it. |
| 01:24.57 | WiFiTux | I |
| 01:24.58 | zbowling | you can use fdisk to play with the partion table a little to readjust the sizes but that only worked for me once... the rest of the time i fucked it up worse... i suggest EDR, Partion Magic and/or NTFS data recovery app |
| 01:24.59 | initech | suse is rpm. rpm bad. |
| 01:24.59 | Guerin | feh, until recently, sus's core component was non-free |
| 01:25.02 | fateisajester | calvin@linux:~$ dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:25.02 | fateisajester | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 01:25.04 | WiFiTux | i'm telling them NO!! |
| 01:25.16 | citral | Guerin: feh. |
| 01:25.26 | initech | suse has yast. yast overwrite files. yast bad. |
| 01:25.36 | green-earz | fateisajester: as root dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:25.39 | Guerin | fateisajester: do it as root. And in any case, if you fix your damn monitor settings using the controls on the monitor, you probably won't need to. |
| 01:25.44 | WiFiTux | Guys, have a nice weekend!! thanks baka03 mentor and zbowling !!! |
| 01:25.47 | fateisajester | <---------stupid |
| 01:25.50 | zbowling | "apt-get install alien" and debian can use RPMs... so sometimes its ok to fake it if you have to... |
| 01:25.59 | zbowling | :-) cya |
| 01:26.04 | baka03 | bye |
| 01:26.13 | initech | zbowling: why would i contaminate my debian with RPM's?!?!?! |
| 01:26.20 | kidaz | Question: Whats the package name for X? |
| 01:26.26 | green-earz | fateisajester: no learning curve |
| 01:26.35 | citral | kidaz: x-window-system-core |
| 01:26.41 | rares000 | zbowling except the rpms aren't necessarily built with the right libs |
| 01:26.42 | kidaz | citral, Thanks again dude |
| 01:26.46 | mentor | initech: I don't know, but you'd better be careful of excess punctuation marks too. |
| 01:26.51 | zbowling | only when you have to or your tired of screwing with an app that you need but can only get in a broken tarball or rpm... |
| 01:26.54 | citral | kidaz: np :) |
| 01:27.03 | Guerin | zbowling: I've never found anything which isn't available as a .deb, or that I can't make a .deb of myself. Alien is no use at all to me. |
| 01:27.18 | trapper-- | arggg |
| 01:27.23 | Guerin | an ything I need, that is. |
| 01:27.23 | bob2 | citral: when have I annoyed you? |
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| 01:27.30 | zbowling | i had trouble with astrisks in the early days |
| 01:27.39 | trapper-- | just realised that my 82810E mothorboard only supports ATA66 |
| 01:27.41 | initech | Guerin: i agree, alien has never been of use to me, nice premise, but it has never worked anyway hen i needed it |
| 01:27.41 | fateisajester | i have a sis 630... its asking me for video card bus identifier |
| 01:27.45 | trapper-- | crap argg dammit |
| 01:27.48 | rares000 | I love how you have to install x to get mc in red hat |
| 01:27.57 | zbowling | and some really new apps... i curse freshmeat and source forge looking for new toys... :-) |
| 01:27.59 | cafuego | trapper--: PCI ATA133 cards are dirt cheap. |
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| 01:28.14 | cafuego | fateisajester: it also says you can just hit return, of you read on. |
| 01:28.15 | bob2 | citral: I don't recall ever talking to you, in fact |
| 01:28.22 | citral | bob2: oh, not really. I looked yesterday, I found you like an "answer machine", too fast for me. I was very tired. |
| 01:28.24 | Guerin | initech: yeah, it'd be a great idea if there was any useful software which wasn't packaged for debian... |
| 01:28.26 | trapper-- | cafuego yea but so was this box... now i have dirt cheap * 2 to deal with |
| 01:28.37 | cafuego | bob2: Liar, you were trolling him all day yesterday! |
| 01:28.38 | fateisajester | no it doesnt but ill do that... thx |
| 01:28.59 | cafuego | trapper--: no really, a promise or silicon image ata133 card should be around US$25 |
| 01:29.05 | bob2 | cafuego: no, I was trolling hex|zzz |
| 01:29.07 | bob2 | er, helix |
| 01:29.12 | cafuego | <heh> |
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| 01:29.17 | trapper-- | yea thats not to bad |
| 01:29.19 | cafuego | bob2: citral is helix. I rest my case. |
| 01:29.30 | Guerin | wtf? |
| 01:29.32 | zbowling | i got a SATA card for $100 for an older dell so i could an SATA raid... |
| 01:29.34 | citral | bob2: what I don't understand is why you op yourself, something the other op do only for short time in case. |
| 01:29.34 | initech | Guerin: nearly *everything* is in debian |
| 01:29.36 | bob2 | hah |
| 01:29.44 | trapper-- | but still thats the diff between 120GB and 200GB |
| 01:29.46 | bob2 | citral: you must be new here. |
| 01:29.49 | rares000 | then it's not a him |
| 01:29.49 | trapper-- | himm |
| 01:29.50 | initech | citral: wtf is your prob with bob2? |
| 01:29.54 | cafuego | citral: Does it MATTER at ALL? |
| 01:30.00 | green-earz | fateisajester: do you know the refresh rates for the monitor if not leave the ones at a all ready there |
| 01:30.01 | bob2 | citral: I was opped because we had 3 bot attacks last night and I forgot to deop before I went to bed |
| 01:30.06 | cafuego | citral: if it irritates you, why not ignore bob2? |
| 01:30.06 | trapper-- | if i get an ATA card can i have more than 4 ATA HD's in my box? |
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| 01:30.10 | bob2 | normally I am not. |
| 01:30.21 | stew | trapper--: yes |
| 01:30.22 | nono31 | Sarge is frozen means that nothing will go from sid to sarge until sarge become the new stable release? |
| 01:30.22 | citral | bob2: ok, I just wanted to know that. |
| 01:30.37 | Guerin | initech: yeah, it's grand :P |
| 01:30.38 | cafuego | trapper--: Most ata cards have 2 ports, so you can have 4 disks on 'em. if you want more, simply add another ata card :-) |
| 01:30.40 | bob2 | nono31: unless it's to fix serious bugs |
| 01:30.45 | bob2 | nono31: and each change is manually vetted |
| 01:30.49 | trapper-- | thats quite hardout hehehe |
| 01:30.50 | mentor | nono31: No, only things that the RMs approves will go from sid to sarge. |
| 01:30.51 | citral | initech: cafuego wtf is it a problem if I ask ? |
| 01:31.09 | Guerin | so is all of sarge now frozen? Or still just base+standard? |
| 01:31.22 | bipolar | I hope my server still at least boots when this dist-upgrade is done. :| |
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| 01:31.31 | cafuego | citral: Coz, as you may have noticed, this is #debian and not #freenode. |
| 01:31.39 | initech | bipolar: don't reboot :) |
| 01:31.49 | bipolar | initech: heh... riiiiight.... |
| 01:31.50 | nono31 | bob2: mentor: is there a schedduled date to release yet? or it is "when it is ready" ? |
| 01:32.03 | Guerin | !sarge stable |
| 01:32.03 | dpkg | Sarge will be stable when it's ready. There is still no final date, but there is a tentative release date of 2004/09/15. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/08/msg00001.html |
| 01:32.07 | nbreen | Guerin: Still just base+standard, AFAIK. |
| 01:32.08 | zbowling | i love this new EMU64T stuff.. dual 32bit processors with hypertheading can run as a single 64 bit emulated processor... |
| 01:32.08 | bob2 | nono31: there was one posted, check the debian-devel-announce archives |
| 01:32.09 | citral | cafuego: sorry mîster if I didn't knew mr bob2 have 3 bots... :) |
| 01:32.11 | green-earz | Guerin: its the base i think the frozen |
| 01:32.23 | stew | citral: why not just drop it |
| 01:32.25 | initech | bah, that release date's a pipe dream |
| 01:32.27 | Guerin | ok, just checking my head. |
| 01:32.37 | nono31 | thanks |
| 01:32.38 | Zetabyte | Question about release numbers: are minor numbers the same as major ones, odd=stable even=less stable? i.e. which is more stable, 2.6.7 or 2.6.8? |
| 01:32.45 | bob2 | I really have no problem with people asking |
| 01:32.48 | bob2 | Zetabyte: no |
| 01:33.07 | mentor | zbowling: That sounds extremely convoluted and useless. |
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| 01:33.29 | mentor | Zetabyte: No, the minor minor numbers are incremental |
| 01:33.30 | khaled | is there a dvd image for debian ? |
| 01:33.30 | nono31 | I got a problem... Seems that my HD just stops after a while... can it be software or it is just my HD that is going to die? |
| 01:33.37 | Zetabyte | ok, so 2.6.8 is (hopefully) more stable than 2.6.7. cool |
| 01:33.41 | fishexe | I believe all 2.6 is stable and 2.6.7 is just older than 2.6.8 within stable |
| 01:33.48 | Zetabyte | yes, khaled |
| 01:33.49 | initech | zbowling: can it properly address more than 1GB of memory as a 64 bit cpu? |
| 01:33.53 | xoz | Zetabyte: not using that concept. the new dev kernel has not yet started. |
| 01:34.04 | citral | Zetabyte: hopefully yes |
| 01:34.06 | bob2 | Zetabyte: 2.6.8.1 |
| 01:34.08 | khaled | Zetabyte, debian.org ? |
| 01:34.09 | cafuego | zbowling: I'm sure it's easier to just buy an Athlon64 |
| 01:34.11 | Zetabyte | yeh |
| 01:34.17 | cafuego | zbowling: Not to mention cheaper and faster. |
| 01:34.19 | Zetabyte | i saw it, a while ago |
| 01:34.30 | mentor | Zetabyte: 2.6.8 had a major problem/small fix in .1 |
| 01:34.31 | green-earz | khaled: yes you will need to dowload it with jigdo-lite or have a look on ebay |
| 01:34.51 | Zetabyte | i'm running 2.6.6 on my firewall machine and i think i'd like to try to compile a custom 2.6.7 or 2.6.8 kernel |
| 01:34.56 | cafuego | mentor: nfs only though, shouldn't affect non-nfs users. |
| 01:35.00 | khaled | green-earz, ah. thanks |
| 01:35.01 | green-earz | khaled: there are two dvds |
| 01:35.10 | stew | Zetabyte: 2.6.7 isn't totally secure, go for 2.6.8 |
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| 01:35.15 | khaled | green-earz, both required ? |
| 01:35.26 | Zetabyte | stew: ok, will do. thanks for the advice =) |
| 01:35.31 | khaled | green-earz, 1000+ packages ? must be all.. rite ? |
| 01:35.49 | stew | (not that any are totally secure, but there is a publicly know vuln. in 2.6.7) |
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| 01:35.52 | xoz | stew: is 2.6.8 totally secure? |
| 01:35.55 | green-earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.03 | xoz | stew: ahhh |
| 01:36.07 | khaled | green-earz, thanks |
| 01:36.16 | bourboncowboy | totally secute. thanks. i needed a laugh |
| 01:36.17 | baka03 | xoz i dont think there is totaly secure |
| 01:36.32 | KRONOS | can i make a user inside a user? like if i have a user "MYSQL" can i login with that user and make another user ? |
| 01:36.35 | bob2 | cafuego: one more trip and I become an honorary ruby-level oneworld member |
| 01:36.38 | Zetabyte | people are helpful-sounding tonight. I'm tempted to share my grub problem nobody's been able to help me with in the past |
| 01:36.41 | xoz | baka03: i believe in relativity theory :) |
| 01:36.53 | cafuego | mentor: Buglet in fs/nfs/file.c |
| 01:37.15 | cafuego | KRONOS: No, only an account with uid 0 can create users (unless you use sudo) |
| 01:37.19 | xoz | KRONOS: set permission to that account to have the power to create users. |
| 01:37.23 | Zetabyte | if you mean system users, only root or people with su/sudo permissions can create users |
| 01:37.51 | green-earz | khaled: for jigdo-lite http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ |
| 01:38.01 | cafuego | Two buglets, actually. |
| 01:38.14 | xoz | KRONOS: mysql users... not system users. |
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| 01:38.59 | cafuego | bob2: oooh err :-) |
| 01:39.18 | cafuego | bob2: By then you should also be able to fly there&back on just points ;-) |
| 01:39.22 | fishexe | what program would I use to check my memory for defects? |
| 01:39.29 | khaled | green-earz, thanks |
| 01:39.43 | xoz | fishexe: apt-cache search memtest |
| 01:39.53 | fishexe | thk u |
| 01:40.24 | vipersniper | cafuego, how do i upgrade |
| 01:40.39 | xoz | !woody->sarge |
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| 01:40.59 | vipersniper | yeah woody-->sarge |
| 01:41.05 | cafuego | vipersniper: Edit /etc/apt/sources.list. Change 'woody' to 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'testing' on all lines. Run 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. |
| 01:41.27 | baka03 | vipersniper then go get coffee |
| 01:42.03 | bofh80 | how do i change permissions down a tree? for example i have a mounted disk that i copied stuff using root and mc to copy to new disk, but now i have to change the permissions down the whole /structure/ help? |
| 01:42.13 | rugliaf | Howdy, where would I start to configure my sound card? It's a ALi M15x3 chipset I think and read it was supported by trident sound driver but am not sure what that means. |
| 01:42.20 | cafuego | bofh80: See the '-R' flag to chmod. |
| 01:42.25 | xoz | bofh80: look for recursion in the man page |
| 01:42.27 | maher | bofh80: man chmod - look for recurse option |
| 01:42.59 | bofh80 | thanks. what would be the correct numbers for everyone everything? |
| 01:43.18 | cafuego | bofh80: a+rwX /mountpoint -R |
| 01:43.26 | bofh80 | i really screw up here. i was hopin to get natulis to do it for me, but no recursion.... :S |
| 01:43.47 | bofh80 | cafuego: diamond, cheers :D |
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| 01:44.00 | stew | bofh80: you are better off learning the command line tools anyway |
| 01:44.00 | citral | bofh80: you'd better learn the commad line |
| 01:44.18 | cafuego | bofh80: By using letters and not numbers, notable 'X' and not 'x', you tell chmod to only set x on directories and executables that alrteady have an x somewhere. |
| 01:44.53 | bofh80 | cafuego: thanks. |
| 01:44.54 | cafuego | rugliaf: Lemme boot my laptop and see what it uses, give me 5 mins. |
| 01:45.00 | baka03 | cafuego the Xx is a good tip (i never knew) |
| 01:45.16 | rugliaf | Thanks :) |
| 01:45.21 | bofh80 | citral: stew: you are both right, but it's 3am here and i just want to watch some movies :D |
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| 01:45.25 | fishexe | bofh80: are you sure you want to change permissions and not owner? |
| 01:45.58 | xoz | bofh80: commandline will allow you to watch more movies once you know it. |
| 01:46.00 | bofh80 | fishexe: it's my ftp files among other things |
| 01:46.02 | johnga1t | justin : well, i was close |
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| 01:46.07 | johnga1t | justin : but no cigar. |
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| 01:47.10 | cafuego | rugliaf: Ok. I use a 2.6 kernel and the ALSA drivers. The module is snd_ali5451 |
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| 01:47.51 | rugliaf | cafuego: What do I do with that info? heh... |
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| 01:48.01 | cafuego | rugliaf: What kernel is your system running? |
| 01:48.11 | cafuego | rugliaf: Run uname -r |
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| 01:48.14 | rugliaf | ok |
| 01:48.17 | Erlang | omg, much people. |
| 01:48.24 | cafuego | Erlang: where? |
| 01:48.36 | rugliaf | cafuego: I'm relatively new to this...still on default one. 2.2.20-idepci. |
| 01:48.45 | citral | aye |
| 01:49.07 | cafuego | rugliaf: Ok. Ouchies. You will want to 1) Upgrade to a recent 2.4 kernel. I'm pretty sure it would be 2.4.18 on woody. (Debian stable) |
| 01:49.18 | cafuego | rugliaf: After that, you will want the alsa modules for 2.4.18 |
| 01:49.25 | Erlang | As much as I tend to dislike Linux channels, I need some geek help now. |
| 01:49.36 | initech | Erlang: great intro |
| 01:49.46 | rugliaf | cafuego: I upgraded to sarge now, if that makes a difference. |
| 01:49.46 | Erlang | I prefer to be honest. |
| 01:49.52 | cafuego | rugliaf: I think you'll need the packages 'kernel-image-2.4.18' and 'alsa-modules-2.4.18' |
| 01:49.54 | maher | Erlang: as much as i dislike losers asking for help, i might attempt to answer your question |
| 01:50.06 | baka03 | 2.4.27 is the latest stable 2.4 from kernel.org |
| 01:50.09 | rugliaf | cafuego: What's the difference in kernels? I don't even know what they do |
| 01:50.10 | cafuego | rugliaf: Much better. In that case, fetch the latest avilable 2.6 kernel for your cpu. |
| 01:50.12 | initech | Erlang: manners and honesty are enemies you know :) |
| 01:50.20 | Erlang | Great, now we are settled. |
| 01:50.20 | bourboncowboy | or we could beat him senseless... wait. this isn't real |
| 01:50.33 | cafuego | rugliaf: Generally the higher the kernel version, the more hardware is supported |
| 01:50.43 | citral | rugliaf: don't miss initrd |
| 01:50.52 | cafuego | Erlang: There's only 35 people here. The rest are bots. |
| 01:50.56 | bourboncowboy | Erlang: you can remove the penis from your hand and type your question now |
| 01:51.02 | Erlang | I've tried a lot of things, but I could not manage to setup GRUB on my /dev/hda. |
| 01:51.05 | rugliaf | cafuego: Where do I find kernels? |
| 01:51.09 | cafuego | rugliaf: As a bonus, 2.6 kernels come with alsa built-in. |
| 01:51.16 | bourboncowboy | Erlang: try reading |
| 01:51.17 | cafuego | rugliaf: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 01:51.24 | initech | rugliaf: debian, or kernel.org |
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| 01:51.30 | Erlang | bourboncowboy: Believe me, I'Ve read a lot before coming her.e |
| 01:51.47 | citral | Erlang: will you ask your question ? |
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| 01:51.52 | xoz | Erlang: still vague. we cant read your mind. |
| 01:51.56 | Erlang | okay. |
| 01:52.06 | bourboncowboy | Erlang: yes, but did you understand it? Grub is simple. For you, go back to lilo |
| 01:52.34 | cafuego | Erlang: '/sbin/grub-install /dev/hda' didn't work? |
| 01:52.48 | cafuego | initech: "bonk" sound? |
| 01:52.50 | rugliaf | cafuego: How do I know which kernel image is the latest for my cpu? I think I've an i686... |
| 01:52.51 | Erlang | How do I reinstall GRUB on /dev/hda when every attempt I've made end up with "Open failed for /boot/grub/stage1" (or close enough) |
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| 01:53.11 | initech | cafuego: excuse me, i've been watching the 3 stooges |
| 01:53.13 | xoz | Erlang: what attempts? what commands? |
| 01:53.21 | cafuego | rugliaf: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep name |
| 01:53.26 | bourboncowboy | that is a Gentoo error |
| 01:53.29 | rugliaf | citral: initrd? |
| 01:53.31 | tyce | anyone in here successfully install debian on a shuttle xpc sn41g2v2? |
| 01:53.35 | cafuego | initech: "bonk" means "fuck" here in australia. |
| 01:53.50 | rugliaf | cafuego: Oh. Intel p4 |
| 01:53.52 | Erlang | xoz: mount /dev/hdb1, chroot to mount point, and grub-install /dev/hda |
| 01:53.53 | initech | cafuego: well not here, it just means "bonk" |
| 01:54.18 | cafuego | rugliaf: hyperthreaded? |
| 01:54.23 | xoz | Erlang: before chroot, mount -t /proc <chroot/proc> |
| 01:54.29 | rugliaf | cafuego: I don't think so |
| 01:54.39 | citral | rugliaf: you have to put initrd/initrd.img to your lilo or grub conf, and to run lilo or grub in order to boot in 2.6. |
| 01:54.49 | Erlang | xoz: Hmm, makes sense, and you think it'll work? |
| 01:55.05 | cafuego | rugliaf: cat /proc/cpuinfo -> does it list ht or somelthing like ht* in the flags field near the bottom? |
| 01:55.05 | xoz | Erlang: chrooted dir must know kernel data from the parent root.. or else cant know your hardware.... it has to inherit it. |
| 01:55.05 | citral | rugliaf: when you install the kernel, it's written, just don't miss it. |
| 01:55.48 | xoz | Erlang: try ps ax or top in chroot and you'll know that it will not give you info about kernel processes. |
| 01:55.52 | Erlang | xoz: Trying that right away. |
| 01:55.56 | rugliaf | cafuego: Nope, it doesn't. |
| 01:56.00 | cafuego | rugliaf: Ok, then you'll want the package 'kernel-image-2.6.7-1-686' |
| 01:56.13 | xoz | Erlang: mount -t proc /proc <chroot/proc> |
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| 01:56.48 | cafuego | xoz: mount -o bind /proc <chroot/proc> |
| 01:56.51 | xoz | Erlang: before chrooting... take not, mounting proc should precede chrooting. |
| 01:57.02 | Erlang | yes I understand. |
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| 01:57.57 | rugliaf | cafuego: It keeps telling me to apt-get install -f to fix kontact-plugins but it keeps failing to get that. |
| 01:58.13 | cafuego | rugliaf: hmm |
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| 01:58.58 | xoz | cafuego: mount --bind? |
| 01:59.08 | rugliaf | cafuego: Said dpkg: error processing kontact-pluginsxxx.deb (--unpack) trying to overwrite kontactknt.so which is also in package kontact... |
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| 01:59.42 | cyberscribe | OK - I run #apt-get remove <package>, grep for <package> and rm -rf all directories and files ... but when I run #apt-get install --build <package> it *STILL* finds some postinstall config script and uses that instead of prompting me for config values ... HELP? |
| 02:00.14 | baka03 | cyberscribe apt-get remove --purge package |
| 02:00.16 | Erlang | aw :( |
| 02:00.30 | xoz | cyberscribe: --purge during remove package.... |
| 02:00.32 | cyberscribe | baka03: sorry, forgot to mention ... i used --purge |
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| 02:00.47 | cyberscribe | xoz: I did --purge then I removed all <package> data from filesystem |
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| 02:00.52 | Zetabyte | cyberscribe - what package is it? |
| 02:00.57 | baka03 | if the package was purged there shouldnt be any files left over |
| 02:01.04 | Erlang | xoz: It doesn'T work. The exact error message I get is "The file /boot/grub/stage1" not read correctly. |
| 02:01.06 | cyberscribe | then I did remove --purge again and it didn't find any files |
| 02:01.11 | cyberscribe | Zetabyte: cacti |
| 02:01.32 | Zetabyte | Erlang!!!!!! I have that SAME problem! i've been trying on and off to get grub working on one of my machines for 2+ weeks |
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| 02:01.39 | baka03 | cyberscribe unless its using another package to get settings from |
| 02:01.48 | xoz | Erlang: try setup (hd0,0) at grub shell or grub prompt. |
| 02:01.54 | maher | Erlang: are you on a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:02.30 | Erlang | maher: Right now I'm not. I forgot to boot with 2.6 kernel. |
| 02:02.53 | Erlang | xoz: "Invalid device requested", weird |
| 02:03.23 | Zetabyte | Erlang - I didnt' see the begining of your problem - did grub refuse to install from the debian installer, forcing you to install Lilo? |
| 02:03.32 | xoz | Erlang: check if fdisk or cfdisk detects your drive. |
| 02:03.51 | Erlang | xoz: COuld it be because this CD uses devfs? |
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| 02:04.05 | cyberscribe | I did a grep -r 'cacti' /var/lib/dpkg/info -- doens't look like any other package references it |
| 02:04.06 | Erlang | Zetabyte: I moved the Linux drive from master to primary. |
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| 02:04.13 | Erlang | Zetabyte: And thus, Windows XP boots first. |
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| 02:04.24 | kc | hi, how do you remove binded ports |
| 02:04.26 | maher | Zetabyte: Erlang doesn't 2.6 have some disk geometry issues that affects the bootloaders? |
| 02:04.29 | Zetabyte | ah...so grub was working on your machine before? |
| 02:04.40 | xoz | Erlang: yep... do you have hda device in /dev... check if you have all the devices. otherwise, MAKEDEV |
| 02:04.54 | kc | hi, does any1 know what the wted command does ? |
| 02:04.57 | xoz | Erlang: in the chrooted dir. |
| 02:05.03 | Erlang | Zetabyte: Yes, it booted Linux fine, but XP did not like being slave to Linux :D |
| 02:05.10 | Zetabyte | ....actually, now that i think about it - my main drive is /dev/hdb - i haven't tried moving it to hda. |
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| 02:05.41 | kc | hi, does any1 know what the wted command is ? |
| 02:05.48 | Erlang | xoz: Well, yes, in the chrooted dir, I do have /dev/hda and /dev/hdb |
| 02:05.49 | kc | hi, how do you remove binded ports? |
| 02:06.00 | zbowling | http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=04&kc=6W300&l=en&oc=w2600lcdtv&s=bsd 26' lcd monitor and tv on sale from dell |
| 02:06.06 | zbowling | might get one later |
| 02:06.28 | xoz | Erlang: seems that devfs uses the different naming convention... |
| 02:06.41 | xoz | Erlang: is cfdisk working inside chroot? |
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| 02:07.07 | Erlang | xoz: Yes, absolutely. |
| 02:07.55 | xoz | Erlang: copy /lib/grub/i386-pc/* to /boot/grub/ |
| 02:08.12 | maher | kc: run chkrootkit |
| 02:08.15 | zbowling | !beer all |
| 02:08.43 | citral | mmmm :) |
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| 02:08.47 | Erlang | xoz: And I retry? |
| 02:08.53 | xoz | yep |
| 02:09.06 | Erlang | nope |
| 02:09.09 | Erlang | same damn problem |
| 02:09.17 | pshaggy | what software would allow me to rip 3-5 secs of a dvd to avi? |
| 02:09.17 | xoz | Erlang: use setup (hd0,0) at grub shell. |
| 02:09.35 | Erlang | invalid device |
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| 02:09.43 | nickv111 | :( |
| 02:09.46 | nickv111 | Hi |
| 02:09.49 | zbowling | anyone know how knoppix gets color in the boot sequence? or maybe a good shell script site? |
| 02:09.51 | nickv111 | I am installing debian on my iBook |
| 02:10.05 | nickv111 | And I partitioned my disk with mac-fdisk |
| 02:10.08 | kc | maher: how do i remove binded ports if i know they are there ? |
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| 02:10.13 | fatal_ | anyone here can confirm or deny that php4-imap doesn't work together with libapache2-mod-php4 (and apache2)? |
| 02:10.16 | gx1 | i have debian stable 2.2.20-idepci and i tried apt-get -u dist-upgrade and it didnt do anythin. i want to install 2.6 kernel but i tried apt-cache search kernel-source but it doesnt turn anythin up but 2.4 at the most |
| 02:10.26 | rugliaf | When I try to install kontact-plugins, it gives the error: "dpkg: error processing kontact-plugins_4 3a3.2.3-2_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite kontactknt.so which is also in package kontact. How can I fix this? |
| 02:10.26 | nickv111 | Let me start over |
| 02:10.27 | ApEtc | zbowling: I'll guess and say VT100 or ANSI color codes |
| 02:10.33 | maher | kc: you are probably rooted if you have wted on your machine |
| 02:10.39 | xoz | Erlang: ahh, you can boot and mount it as root... use rescue cd and mount your chroot dir... it is much easier to install from there instead of chroot. |
| 02:10.46 | maher | kc: dl the latest chkrootkit binary and run it |
| 02:10.55 | kc | i did |
| 02:11.01 | kc | i removed previous 1 |
| 02:11.02 | zbowling | ApEtc: gives me ideas... thanks :-) |
| 02:11.04 | kc | and downloaded new1 |
| 02:11.12 | Erlang | xoz: Wo! sorry, what you want me to do? |
| 02:11.18 | xoz | Erlang: rescue root=<chroot> |
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| 02:11.21 | kc | and it showed that i had many files deleted with wted and that i have a port open |
| 02:11.21 | maher | kc: what did chkrootkit say? |
| 02:11.25 | fatal_ | when running php4-imap+libapache2-mod-php4 my webmail login page (which uses imap functions in php) just returns an empty page when I try to login... |
| 02:11.37 | Erlang | xoz: Okay... |
| 02:11.38 | simonrvn | fatal_: logs logs logs |
| 02:11.42 | zbowling | rugliaf: not recommend but you can always force it with the deb... |
| 02:11.42 | ApEtc | zbowling: Just look up a table of ANSI escape codes, open a console prompt and have at it |
| 02:12.01 | rugliaf | zbowling: How? |
| 02:12.05 | xoz | Erlang: use the cd rescue of debian cd.... at boot prompt, type rescue root=/dev/<chrootpartition> |
| 02:12.07 | maher | kc: paste in #flood |
| 02:12.19 | da | how has successfully setuped Boch? |
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| 02:12.35 | zbowling | ApEtc: thanks... i did that back in the old and early linux 1.3 kernel days |
| 02:12.39 | Erlang | xoz: I'll do that once my crappy CD drive stops acting up :/ |
| 02:13.01 | xoz | Erlang: or try using kernel with no devfs |
| 02:13.02 | zbowling | rugliaf: i do it all the time but i forget now... try deb --help and look for the force command |
| 02:13.18 | fatal_ | simonrvn: can't find anything in the logs... |
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| 02:14.04 | gx1 | i want to install 2.6 kernel but i tried apt-cache search kernel-source but it doesnt turn anythin up but 2.4 at the most. do i have to download the source and compile it myself in this case |
| 02:14.32 | rugliaf | zbowling: --force-yes? |
| 02:14.36 | maher | gx1: look for bunk's 2.6 packages for woody |
| 02:14.41 | zbowling | rugliaf: not recommended but it can take care of some of those earlier release package conflicts... you just pass the deb file it downloaded in to your cache and force and install manually with the deb command (i think its a force unstable or broken install something) |
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| 02:14.54 | rich_ | hi |
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| 02:15.13 | zbowling | rugliaf: maybe |
| 02:15.14 | rugliaf | s |
| 02:15.38 | rugliaf | Erm, oops. That didn't work though. |
| 02:15.43 | gx1 | maher, bunks? |
| 02:15.54 | Erlang | xoz: W00t! |
| 02:16.03 | maher | !tell gx1 about bunk |
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| 02:16.05 | zbowling | i did it last night... i the type that learns as i go and then forgets how i did the next day... |
| 02:16.06 | Erlang | xoz: Grub ran. |
| 02:16.09 | xoz | Erlang: what happened? |
| 02:16.25 | xoz | Erlang: what's the fix? |
| 02:16.25 | gx1 | thanks |
| 02:16.41 | Erlang | xoz: Managed to boot from a true rescue CD. |
| 02:16.53 | zbowling | rugliaf: i'm still at work in windows so i can look right now... sorry :-( |
| 02:16.55 | yaarg | why oh why does debian insist on installing exim with postgresql?? |
| 02:17.00 | Erlang | let's see if it does work now |
| 02:17.11 | yaarg | and how do i remove exim without messing up postgresql? :/ |
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| 02:17.20 | xoz | ahhh, so chroot+devfs+grub is still problematic. |
| 02:17.33 | Erlang | xoz: OMG DUDE I OW YOU A REINSTALL ;D |
| 02:17.40 | Erlang | no, not true |
| 02:17.50 | Erlang | I ow you avoiding a reinstall |
| 02:17.51 | kc | maher: did you see it? |
| 02:17.53 | kc | how do i unbind a port? |
| 02:17.55 | Erlang | pardon me bad english.. |
| 02:18.00 | kreg | anyone know the myth behind svideo to composite adapters? I seem to be confused, i have 3, and two of them work fine on other cards, but not on my new ati. and the 3rd one i have doesn't work on my other cards, but gives me black and white on my ati. wtf? |
| 02:18.05 | Guerin | yaarg: ppostgresql requires a mTA. If you don't like exim, you can replace it with something else, but you can't just get rid of it. |
| 02:18.06 | maher | kc: what version of debian? |
| 02:18.37 | yaarg | Guerin: on gentoo you dont need to install an mta with it :/ |
| 02:18.39 | Zetabyte | <maher> kc: paste in #flood |
| 02:18.39 | Zetabyte | <da> how has successfully setuped Boch? |
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| 02:18.39 | Zetabyte | <zbowling> ApEtc: thanks... i did that back in the old and early linux 1.3 kernel days |
| 02:18.39 | Zetabyte | <Erlang> xoz: I'll do that once my crappy CD drive stops acting up :/ |
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| 02:18.58 | xoz | Erlang: linux is cool! and problem is fixable :) |
| 02:19.02 | Guerin | yaarg: so? |
| 02:19.11 | maher | kc: and do you have backups? |
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| 02:19.16 | Erlang | xoz: Confirmed. Both OS boot fine. |
| 02:19.17 | yaarg | Guerin: so it obviously doesn't *need* it |
| 02:19.31 | Zetabyte | oops. |
| 02:19.31 | Erlang | xoz: wooops |
| 02:19.32 | Erlang | no |
| 02:19.38 | Guerin | yaarg: well, the gentoo version might not, but the debian version would appear to. |
| 02:19.42 | Erlang | xoz: Linux tried to boot on hda |
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| 02:19.57 | xoz | Erlang: ok, got to go to enjoy sat-tardsday... |
| 02:19.58 | yaarg | gar |
| 02:20.13 | xoz | Erlang: edit menu.lst in /boot/grub/ in case you forgot. |
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| 02:20.29 | Guerin | !depends postgresql |
| 02:20.29 | Erlang | xoz: I thought I did it already. Might have forgotten something. |
| 02:20.34 | dpkg | postgresql: pre-depends on adduser (>= 3.34) |
| 02:20.36 | Guerin | maybe it doesn't |
| 02:20.39 | Guerin | eh |
| 02:21.03 | xoz | Erlang: you can edit at grub prompt the menu. |
| 02:21.05 | yaarg | Guerin: i've installed it and if i try and then remove exim it says it needs it :( |
| 02:21.08 | Guerin | yaarg: postgresql doesn't depend on an MTA, it must be something else you have installled. |
| 02:21.18 | MerlinCorey | !depends postgresql sarge |
| 02:21.19 | MerlinCorey | ? |
| 02:21.24 | dpkg | postgresql: pre-depends on adduser (>= 3.34) |
| 02:21.31 | MerlinCorey | nope, same thing... |
| 02:21.32 | Guerin | yaarg: you have a web server installed? |
| 02:21.37 | Erlang | xoz: Oh well, I didn't know that. THe rescue CD is booting now. |
| 02:21.38 | yaarg | Guerin: nopes |
| 02:21.39 | maher | kc: still here? |
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| 02:21.53 | xoz | Erlang: that's on strength of grub :) |
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| 02:21.54 | yaarg | Guerin: i'm trying to keep this machine as clean as possible with basically just postgresql |
| 02:22.02 | xoz | *one* |
| 02:22.07 | Guerin | yaarg: when you apt-get remove exim4, what does it say will be removed? |
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| 02:22.31 | Erlang | xoz: Yeah, I see what I forgot. No Big Deal. |
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| 02:22.52 | xoz | Erlang: ok... see you next time. zoooooom! |
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| 02:22.59 | Erlang | g'night |
| 02:23.02 | Erlang | and thank you again!!! |
| 02:23.16 | yaarg | Guerin: hum that actually worked.. but there's other stuff like exim-daeomon-light .. |
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| 02:23.35 | Evaso | had tried anybody this new bootsplash solution? http://dev.gentoo.org/~spock/projects/gensplash/ |
| 02:23.35 | xoz | good noon here :). np, ciao! |
| 02:23.36 | Guerin | exim-daemon-light is the actual mta. Try removing that. |
| 02:23.40 | AndreaKBG | ciao? |
| 02:23.45 | AndreaKBG | xoz: are you italian? |
| 02:23.59 | Guerin | ((exim4 is a metapackage?)) |
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| 02:24.04 | Evaso | ciao xoz |
| 02:24.11 | yaarg | Guerin: it wants to remove postgres |
| 02:24.14 | greycat | he speaks italian from .jp |
| 02:24.22 | yaarg | Guerin: The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 02:24.22 | yaarg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.32 | MerlinCorey | !depends exim4 |
| 02:24.33 | IrishKitty | can anyone tell me which package ps2pdf is hidden? I can't find it with apt-cache search |
| 02:24.34 | dpkg | exim4: depends on exim4-base (>= 4.34), exim4-daemon-light | exim4-daemon-heavy | exim4-daemon-custom |
| 02:24.37 | greycat | !depends postgresql-client |
| 02:24.42 | dpkg | postgresql-client: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libkrb53 (>= 1.3.2), libpam0g (>= 0.76), libreadline4 (>= 4.3-1), libssl0.9.7, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, libpq3 (>= 7.4), debianutils (>= 1.7), mailx |
| 02:24.45 | greycat | voila. |
| 02:24.53 | gx1 | maher, that page doesnt really tell me exactly how to install it.. i added the lines it says to my sources.list but i dont knwo what command to type now |
| 02:24.55 | greycat | postgresql -> postgresql-client -> mailx -> MTA |
| 02:25.01 | Guerin | right |
| 02:25.10 | yaarg | eww |
| 02:25.13 | Zetabyte | IrishKitty - apt-cache search only shows packages in your database - if it's not showing up your sources.list file's sources might not have it |
| 02:25.14 | yaarg | damm |
| 02:25.22 | IrishKitty | Zetabyte: ah |
| 02:25.47 | yaarg | Guerin: greycat: thanks both of you :) |
| 02:25.47 | greycat | WHY do people try to remove their MTAs? It's not unix without an MTA, at least for local deliveries. |
| 02:25.47 | Guerin | yaarg: why is it an issue, mta doesn't waste any resources unless it's processing mail. |
| 02:25.47 | justin | johnga1t: why didn't it work? |
| 02:25.49 | Zetabyte | I'm not seeing it either. |
| 02:25.50 | maher | gx1: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.xxxxxx |
| 02:26.02 | gx1 | whats .xxxx |
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| 02:26.04 | justin | greycat: because they dont know how to configure them to not listen on the intenet interface? |
| 02:26.18 | maher | gx1: whatever's there, version, arch etc |
| 02:26.26 | yaarg | Guerin: it's not really a big issue just debian seems wondered why it needs it |
| 02:26.30 | Guerin | justin: what, you mean choose the "local delivery only" option in debconf? |
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| 02:26.33 | yaarg | Guerin: i'll just not run it |
| 02:26.33 | maher | gx1: try apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:26.44 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 02:26.51 | yaarg | is the only way you can disable services in debian is by commenting/removing entries in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 02:26.53 | maher | yaarg: cron likes to send you mail |
| 02:27.04 | greycat | yaarg: if you don't run it to deliver the queued up mail, you're going to accumulate mail in the queue. what good is that? |
| 02:27.11 | The_Vulture | yaarg: man update-rc.d |
| 02:27.17 | The_Vulture | and/or just remove the package.. |
| 02:27.21 | The_Vulture | seems the obvious solution |
| 02:27.23 | Guerin | yaarg: I'd presume it's a dependency for a reason; it means the postgresql-client package will want to send mail from time to time. If you don't run it, you won't get those messages. |
| 02:27.24 | greycat | yaarg: NEVER remove files from /etc/init.d |
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| 02:27.33 | maher | yaarg: unless they're run through inetd |
| 02:27.33 | Evaso | had anybody tried the Gensplash bootsplash solution? |
| 02:27.36 | yaarg | The_Vulture: thanks :) |
| 02:27.54 | yaarg | well all my mail is web based anyway :) |
| 02:28.03 | greycat | if you remove a file from /etc/init.d you won't be able to upgrade or remove the package because the pre-rm script will blow up |
| 02:28.06 | yaarg | i don't have any queued up mail |
| 02:28.10 | greycat | yaarg: yet. |
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| 02:28.31 | gx1 | maher, ok i did that but its still not turning up any 2.6's |
| 02:28.34 | citral | greycat: then how do you prevent samba to launch at startup ? |
| 02:28.36 | rich_ | greycat because mail sucks |
| 02:28.43 | maher | gx1: did you do apt-get update |
| 02:28.48 | greycat | citral: remove the SYMLINKS from /etc/rc*.d |
| 02:28.49 | Guerin | rich_: mail does not suck. |
| 02:28.51 | yaarg | opps i've always removeed stuff from /etc/init.d in the past |
| 02:29.00 | gx1 | my bad |
| 02:29.02 | greycat | citral: or if it runs from inetd, remove the lines from inetd.conf |
| 02:29.18 | yaarg | greycat: do you mean when cron sends me mail? |
| 02:29.30 | citral | greycat: mmm. that's what I deed. |
| 02:29.37 | greycat | yaarg: that's the biggest source, yes |
| 02:30.07 | rich_ | Well I realise that some people like to read, even things that have nothing to do with them. Thats why we have junk mail. But not everybody enjoys junk and so not everybody runs an mta |
| 02:30.15 | citral | update-rc.d is not stupid |
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| 02:30.36 | yaarg | greycat: okay i've just never bothered setting up exim before.. |
| 02:30.40 | yaarg | i've never used cron before |
| 02:30.58 | maher | rich_: you can run an mta for cron which only does local mail, hence no junk mail |
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| 02:31.03 | greycat | head |
| 02:31.04 | gx1 | maher, ok i have an amd athlon xp, which one should i get?, generic for 386? |
| 02:31.06 | sean | I'm having trouble with coLinux (debian).. not sure if this is the right place to ask, but #coLinux is empty. I'm trying to network. From my windows box, I can ping the colinux IP, but not the reverse. suggestions? |
| 02:31.14 | dje | anyone have any luck getting recent sarge installers to work on newworld ppc? i keep getting a message saying "No NewWorld boot partition was found". I thought this bug had been fixed |
| 02:31.14 | Guerin | rich_: what, you get NO mail of any use at all? |
| 02:31.19 | gx1 | the only amd's its showing are for AMD k7 |
| 02:31.25 | greycat | !k7 |
| 02:31.25 | dpkg | hmm... k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 02:31.29 | maher | yaarg: there are a bunch of cron jobs that run automatically - you probably want to know if they fail |
| 02:31.36 | t-jack | NOW we're getting somewhere with the kicker applets... |
| 02:31.38 | gx1 | oh cool |
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| 02:31.50 | yaarg | maher: righty :) |
| 02:31.51 | Guerin | sean: man interfaces |
| 02:32.10 | sean | Guerin: I understand interfaces. This seems to be a routing problem.. |
| 02:32.17 | maher | sean: does winxp answer pings? |
| 02:32.48 | sean | maher: no |
| 02:32.48 | Zetabyte | yes |
| 02:32.48 | sean | but colinux does |
| 02:32.48 | yaarg | sean: you got ICF enabled on the windows box? |
| 02:32.48 | Guerin | sean: so do you have a default gateway set up? |
| 02:32.50 | Zetabyte | maher: windows does answer pings unless the firewall is on. |
| 02:32.56 | sean | Guerin: of course |
| 02:32.59 | tyce | quit |
| 02:33.00 | sean | yaarg: ICF ? |
| 02:33.01 | tyce | exit |
| 02:33.04 | maher | sean: i meant does winxp ever answer pings? is the firewall on? |
| 02:33.08 | yaarg | sean: Internet Connection Firewall |
| 02:33.13 | rich_ | Guerin I use mine to read mailing lists. But I dont write letters to aunt saddie, I dont send people cute puppy dogs from greeting card companies and so I dont get spam. If it wasnt for mailing lists Id have no use for it at all and so I completely understand why someone wouldnt want it on their computer |
| 02:33.14 | sean | maher: ah.. yes, it normally answers pings |
| 02:33.15 | Guerin | sean: internet connection fucker-upper |
| 02:33.18 | yaarg | should have put quotes round that heh |
| 02:33.25 | sean | yaarg: firewall is off |
| 02:33.49 | yaarg | sean: are you machines plugged into a common gateway? |
| 02:33.54 | yaarg | or each other? |
| 02:34.02 | greycat | rich_: that's a very un-unix-y stand |
| 02:34.10 | sean | yaarg: it's colinux eth0 is a win32 TAP device |
| 02:34.14 | Guerin | rich_: so, in fact, you DO use it for something. |
| 02:34.20 | yaarg | if each other, maybe you're not using a crossover cable :) |
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| 02:34.29 | sean | yaarg: no cable (-: |
| 02:34.31 | maher | rich_: you can remove the mta - it just breaks lots of things that depends on it |
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| 02:35.24 | rich_ | greycat You know, my father worked at slac and one day he told me that he heard they use linux on certain devices that control the magnets there. I asked him what distribution they used and he said he didnt think they used a distribution just the kernel. So I say modularity is very unixy. |
| 02:35.41 | greycat | embedded systems aren't unix, IMHO |
| 02:35.52 | rich_ | Stripping out the part you dont want is unixy |
| 02:36.02 | rich_ | oh I see |
| 02:36.08 | greycat | nah, that's being a hacker. and that's great... but it's not unix |
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| 02:36.39 | greycat | the essence of unix (again, IMHO) is synthesizing lots of small tools together to build a solution |
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| 02:36.52 | paokouran | hi all |
| 02:37.15 | paokouran | need help to make masquerading to get web in vmware |
| 02:37.18 | paokouran | please |
| 02:37.24 | Guerin | rich_: so rather than just opting out of mail altogether, the unix approach would be to use tools to sort the mail you want from the mail you don't. |
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| 02:38.05 | Guerin | rich_: this being harder than it sounds. |
| 02:38.11 | rich_ | greycat I think that your assuming it has to be a clerical solution. That it has to be an office type environment where you need to devote recources to things like mail. My computers purpose is to please me, not deliver unto me text messages from comparable strangers |
| 02:38.24 | gx1 | how much does vmware cost that seems awsome |
| 02:38.35 | yaarg | the debian security guide is out of date actually becaus ei was looking at that the other day and there was no mention of update-rc.d :) |
| 02:38.48 | paokouran | buy lol |
| 02:38.52 | gx1 | is there somethin free/open source thats like vmware |
| 02:38.56 | initech | yaarg: what does update-rc.d have to do with anything? |
| 02:38.57 | Guerin | wtf is it with people running *nix in emulation? What's wrong with just running it? |
| 02:39.10 | yaarg | initech: are you serious? |
| 02:39.10 | paokouran | a linux project yes |
| 02:39.10 | Guerin | gx1: colinux, but it's not really like vmware. |
| 02:39.11 | beth | gx1: there is wine |
| 02:39.19 | yaarg | initech: stopping unwanted services? |
| 02:39.19 | beth | but it too is not really like vmware |
| 02:39.20 | paokouran | don t remember the name |
| 02:39.23 | gx1 | guerin i dont nkow probably because you can be in multiple operating systems at the same time on one computer |
| 02:39.26 | mwilson | paokouran: You have something against paying for what you get? |
| 02:39.33 | paokouran | no |
| 02:39.37 | holo_ | gx1 don't buy anything just becouse it seems awesome |
| 02:39.37 | initech | yaarg: yes, it isn't actually a debian tool either, and it sucks as well |
| 02:39.41 | paokouran | i buy may things |
| 02:40.01 | yaarg | initech: better than editiing /etc/init.d/ like it suggests |
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| 02:40.01 | gx1 | holo_ if i didnt i wouldnt have a computer :/ |
| 02:40.08 | marmot | gx1, ms virtual machine is cheaper than vmware ;) I'm running debian testing on it |
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| 02:40.28 | holo_ | gx1 yep true but that doesn't apply to software ;) |
| 02:40.31 | paokouran | just need help to make masquerading |
| 02:40.43 | gx1 | plus theres vmware for linux so you can run linux as your host os and then run windows and bsd, etc inside it |
| 02:40.53 | paokouran | yes |
| 02:40.58 | Guerin | gx1: but why is that important? I can see about a half-dozen things I can't do in debian, and they all involve specialist, proprietary software (photoshop, etc.). If it matters enough for you to need the extra functionality, why suffer the bugginess and performance hit of running it in emulation? |
| 02:41.10 | paokouran | i have xp and demudi linuxconsole.... |
| 02:41.19 | paokouran | good |
| 02:41.37 | mwilson | paokouran: And how much did you pay for them? |
| 02:41.51 | holo_ | i wouldn't run a bsd from vmware.. what would be the purppose anyway? |
| 02:41.51 | paokouran | my old xp i had with my pc |
| 02:41.55 | paokouran | linux free.. |
| 02:41.56 | initech | shit, update-rc.d is more of a pain in the ass than manually creating start/stop links |
| 02:42.00 | gx1 | Guerin, because say you have a laptop, you're carryin that around and you want multiple operating systems without only bein able to use one at a time, its not super important for everyone but software developers need it to test multiplatforms quick and easily |
| 02:42.11 | paokouran | vmware:(... |
| 02:42.22 | gx1 | Guerin, you're not really goin to want to install win98 on its own partition/box but vmware allows you to do it without carryin so you can test software |
| 02:42.46 | gx1 | *caring |
| 02:43.31 | holo_ | gx1 say web designers, for example.. a good web designer trys his page in every web browser existing on earth :D |
| 02:43.42 | gx1 | yeah |
| 02:43.55 | Guerin | gx1: software development is a factor, I guess. Day to day life isn't, though, and somehow I think that most of the people haaving trouble with emulated environmnets ain't software developers... they're people who want to have their cake and eat it too. |
| 02:44.02 | greycat | initech: I agree |
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| 02:44.22 | gx1 | nothings for everyone :) |
| 02:44.24 | Guerin | ... not that there's anything inherently wrong with that, I just question the sanity of having a half-pie OS running in a good OS, or vice versa. |
| 02:44.30 | dan2 | Guerin: want to play gtkatlantic? |
| 02:44.41 | Guerin | dan2: wtf is gtkatlantic? |
| 02:44.46 | rich_ | I guess the point is that unix is more than a glorified bbs. |
| 02:44.47 | dan2 | Guerin: online monopoly game |
| 02:44.51 | initech | greycat: and the point would be to make it easier, right? :) so i don't see much use for it beyonf the occaisional script |
| 02:45.02 | Guerin | dan2: yeah, ai'ght. Lemme install it. |
| 02:45.07 | dan2 | Guerin: cool! |
| 02:45.23 | dan2 | Guerin: been waiting for players for the last 45 minutes now |
| 02:45.23 | dan2 | ;) |
| 02:45.42 | Guerin | hehe |
| 02:46.11 | holo_ | i believe when transgaming release aclerex it will be a better way to run most foreign software |
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| 02:47.16 | holo_ | they have a strong reverse engineering background at least into games |
| 02:47.17 | dan2 | Guerin: ok, I got one other player, ready to roll? |
| 02:47.26 | dan2 | Guerin: ;) |
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| 02:47.44 | dan2 | Guerin: you'll know which server to click on |
| 02:48.05 | gx1 | are there really linux users who dont code? |
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| 02:48.19 | servus | gx1, yes, and they use Redhat |
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| 02:48.25 | mwilson | gx1: Any number of them. |
| 02:48.26 | gx1 | heh |
| 02:48.31 | mwilson | gx1: Why shouldn't there be? |
| 02:48.36 | servus | ... and they type 'Micro$oft' =-/ |
| 02:48.38 | peterS | gx1: more than don't code than that do, by far |
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| 02:48.58 | Sec0 | guys i need help. |
| 02:49.05 | Sec0 | i did something really stupid |
| 02:49.08 | Sec0 | i deleted dpkg... |
| 02:49.13 | Sec0 | how to recover that. |
| 02:49.22 | gx1 | its ok just dpkg it back |
| 02:49.22 | greycat | boot from rescue disk, mount your root file system, put it back. |
| 02:49.23 | gx1 | oh wait.. :p |
| 02:49.25 | servus | Holy cow! |
| 02:49.26 | servus | I'm stupid |
| 02:49.32 | peterS | Sec0: apt-get install dpkg |
| 02:49.39 | Sec0 | i tried peters |
| 02:49.40 | servus | cdrecord just let me burn a nonrecordable installation CD >.< |
| 02:49.45 | peterS | Sec0: it will fail, but it should at least download /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_*.deb |
| 02:49.45 | Sec0 | but with out dpkg, i cant use apt-get |
| 02:49.46 | Sec0 | lol |
| 02:49.51 | peterS | Sec0: I was getting to that (: |
| 02:50.01 | Sec0 | alright |
| 02:50.02 | peterS | Sec0: once you have /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_*.deb, you can unpack it |
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| 02:50.12 | Sec0 | aha |
| 02:50.14 | peterS | Sec0: run: dpkg-deb --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_*.deb / |
| 02:50.15 | Sec0 | ill check |
| 02:50.19 | gx1 | how did you accidently delete dpkg? |
| 02:50.30 | greycat | peterS: did he delete just /usr/bin/dpkg, or the entire dpkg package? |
| 02:50.32 | peterS | Sec0: assuming you still have dpkg-deb available, that will get you back running again |
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| 02:50.39 | peterS | greycat: we'll find out, won't we? |
| 02:50.47 | peterS | greycat: I've got 'ar' and 'tar' up my sleeve just in case (: |
| 02:50.58 | gx1 | alias rm='rm -i' |
| 02:51.10 | Sec0 | sd468:/var/cache/apt/archives# ls |
| 02:51.10 | Sec0 | dpkg-awk_1.0.1_all.deb dpkg_1.9.21_i386.deb gawk_1%3a3.1.0-3_i386.deb lock partial sysvinit_2.84-2woody1_i386.deb |
| 02:51.10 | Sec0 | sd468:/var/cache/apt/archives# dpkg-deb --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_*.deb / |
| 02:51.11 | Sec0 | bash: dpkg-deb: command not found |
| 02:51.11 | Sec0 | sd468:/var/cache/apt/archives# |
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| 02:51.19 | Sec0 | hmm |
| 02:51.20 | Sec0 | :/ |
| 02:51.24 | peterS | Sec0: you don't have dpkg-deb either, then? |
| 02:51.25 | Sec0 | dpkg doesnt exist anymore |
| 02:51.25 | dpkg | wish i knew, Sec0 |
| 02:51.30 | paokouran | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE (i get the web from eth1) it s ok??? |
| 02:51.56 | peterS | Sec0: ok then. do this. cd /tmp; ar x /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_*.deb data.tar.gz |
| 02:51.58 | peterS | Sec0: then: tar xzf data.tar.gz -C / |
| 02:52.01 | holo_ | paokouran, it seams so |
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| 02:52.23 | peterS | Sec0: and no, that's not a typo - first line uses 'ar', second line uses 'tar' |
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| 02:52.53 | Sec0 | sd468:/var/cache/apt/archives# cd /tmp; ar x /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_*.deb data.tar.gz |
| 02:53.00 | Sec0 | sd468:/tmp# tar xzf data.tar.gz -C / |
| 02:53.01 | Sec0 | done. |
| 02:53.13 | peterS | Sec0: ok, you should have /usr/bin/dpkg again |
| 02:53.26 | Sec0 | sd468:/tmp# /usr/bin/dpkg |
| 02:53.26 | Sec0 | dpkg: need an action option |
| 02:53.26 | Sec0 | Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*]; |
| 02:53.26 | Sec0 | Use dselect for user-friendly package management; |
| 02:53.26 | Sec0 | Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values; |
| 02:53.27 | Sec0 | Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options; |
| 02:53.27 | dpkg | Sec0: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 02:53.37 | Sec0 | hey sweet |
| 02:53.38 | Sec0 | loll.. := |
| 02:53.39 | greycat | Sec0: you didn't have to paste that |
| 02:53.44 | Sec0 | my mistake |
| 02:53.48 | Sec0 | just new at it. |
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| 02:53.54 | Sec0 | thx peterS! |
| 02:54.02 | peterS | Sec0: to make sure dpkg is installed properly, reinstall it. apt-get install --reinstall dpkg |
| 02:54.05 | holo_ | heh new at copy paste :X |
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| 02:55.00 | Sec0 | i always get this problem. |
| 02:55.00 | Sec0 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 02:55.05 | Sec0 | when i install anything |
| 02:55.24 | peterS | Sec0: that's a problem. does it spew any specific error messages before doing that? |
| 02:55.30 | peterS | Sec0: don't paste an entire install command |
| 02:55.37 | peterS | Sec0: just, if there's something that looks like an error message |
| 02:55.48 | Sec0 | when ever i apt-get anything |
| 02:55.53 | Sec0 | this error comes after it. |
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| 02:56.19 | vipersniper | gdm is the default display manager how do i change to kdm |
| 02:56.22 | nvz | Sec0: thats a generic error message, before that message should be specific errors |
| 02:56.22 | Sec0 | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 02:56.22 | Sec0 | dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
| 02:56.22 | dpkg | Sec0: i don't know |
| 02:56.22 | dpkg | Sec0: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:56.38 | peterS | Sec0: when you deleted dpkg, is there any chance you deleted any other really important packages? |
| 02:56.46 | Sec0 | nop |
| 02:56.51 | Sec0 | it was uninstalled |
| 02:56.56 | Sec0 | throught apt-get |
| 02:56.56 | peterS | Sec0: I ask because update-rc.d is in the 'sysvinit' package, and that's pretty important too |
| 02:57.07 | Sec0 | no. |
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| 02:57.22 | Sec0 | :/ |
| 02:57.27 | vipersniper | gdm is the default display manager how do i change to kdm |
| 02:57.38 | scarynetworkguy | heh |
| 02:57.48 | peterS | vipersniper: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 02:57.51 | Sec0 | is it hard to get update-rc.d back? |
| 02:57.56 | nvz | yeah but he sure can do an lol dude like nobody's business |
| 02:58.03 | initech | vipersniper: install kdm, gdm is not a default display manager, there is no default actually |
| 02:58.05 | peterS | Sec0: apt-get install --reinstall sysvinit |
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| 02:58.50 | scott | My Geforce FX card works fine with the RC of sarge, but do I need to download the nvidia drivers in order to have opengl? |
| 02:58.59 | peterS | deivid: hope you enjoyed your stay in #debian. please come again |
| 02:58.59 | Sec0 | same problem. cant install it |
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| 02:59.09 | peterS | Sec0: not because of lack of update-rc.d, though |
| 02:59.12 | Sec0 | sysvinit: Depends: dpkg (>= 1.4.0.21) but it is not going to be installed |
| 02:59.13 | initech | vipersniper: just remove gdm from the runlevel that you use and replace with kdm |
| 02:59.30 | yaarg | where does debian dump mail by default? /var/mail right? |
| 02:59.32 | peterS | Sec0: try this, dpkg-reconfigure dpkg |
| 02:59.37 | initech | yaarg: yes |
| 02:59.48 | nvz | peterS: server needs a delay, if you arent on the channel long enough to say anything, dont bother telling us about it |
| 03:00.00 | Sec0 | it says: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: dpkg is not fully installed |
| 03:00.11 | greycat | Sec0: did you reinstall the dpkg package yet? |
| 03:00.15 | peterS | nvz: /msg dpkg nospambot |
| 03:00.21 | peterS | nvz: if you use irssi, this can be done client-side (: |
| 03:00.41 | Sec0 | :/ |
| 03:00.45 | nvz | peterS: yeap |
| 03:00.45 | peterS | Sec0: ok, try dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_*.deb |
| 03:01.21 | helix | Sec0: how did you end up in this situation? |
| 03:01.35 | Sec0 | lol dont know helix |
| 03:01.35 | Sec0 | ;/ |
| 03:01.44 | helix | oh. you deleted dpkg. |
| 03:01.45 | Sec0 | its a business box, and my friend was fixing something |
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| 03:01.54 | Sec0 | ended up deleting it |
| 03:01.54 | Sec0 | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 03:01.54 | Sec0 | dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
| 03:01.55 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Sec0 |
| 03:01.55 | dpkg | Sec0: i haven't a clue |
| 03:02.26 | peterS | Sec0: ok. dpkg -i --force-depends /var/cache/apt/archives/sysvinit_*.deb |
| 03:02.32 | greycat | Sec0: repeat what you did for dpkg, but do it for sysvinit this time |
| 03:02.36 | initech | Sec0: what is going on with your update-rc.d? |
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| 03:02.58 | peterS | initech: somehow his sysvinit, or part of it, went away as well |
| 03:03.01 | greycat | initech: dpkg(8) checks for it when it installs anything, to make sure your $PATH isn't fucked |
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| 03:03.05 | geoaxis | what group do i need to be in to access /mnt/hdax ? |
| 03:03.14 | Sec0 | same problem peterS. |
| 03:03.19 | greycat | geoaxis: that depends on how it was mounted |
| 03:03.24 | jarango | I am getting an error with apt-get |
| 03:03.24 | peterS | Sec0: same problem as what? |
| 03:03.28 | peterS | Sec0: it |
| 03:03.33 | peterS | Sec0: it's complaining about update-rc.d? |
| 03:03.39 | Sec0 | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 03:03.39 | Sec0 | dpkg: 1 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
| 03:03.39 | Sec0 | NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. |
| 03:03.39 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Sec0 |
| 03:03.39 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Sec0 |
| 03:03.44 | geoaxis | greycat , lets say by /etc/fstab |
| 03:03.54 | jarango | dpkg: error processing defoma (--configure): |
| 03:03.54 | jarango | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.54 | dpkg | jarango: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 03:03.58 | initech | Sec0: is it there, or not? |
| 03:04.08 | peterS | Sec0: ok, do this: :> /usr/bin/update-rc.d; chmod +x /usr/bin/update-rc.d |
| 03:04.29 | peterS | Sec0: actually make that /usr/sbin/update-rc.d so that it will be overwritten when you get sysvinit reinstalled |
| 03:04.51 | Sec0 | hehe. |
| 03:04.52 | Sec0 | bash: /usr/sbin/update-rc.d: No such file or directory |
| 03:04.59 | Sec0 | doesnt exist. |
| 03:05.13 | peterS | Sec0: right, so it doesn't. do what I said. :> /usr/sbin/update-rc.d; chmod +x /usr/sbin/update-rc.d |
| 03:05.23 | peterS | Sec0: the :> isn't a smiley, it's shell syntax |
| 03:05.30 | jarango | dpkg: error processing defoma (--configure): |
| 03:05.30 | jarango | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.30 | dpkg | jarango: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 03:05.48 | Sec0 | done peterS. |
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| 03:05.58 | jarango | dpkg: let me send you the entire thing |
| 03:05.58 | dpkg | jarango: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 03:06.01 | geoaxis | greycat, ?? |
| 03:06.04 | peterS | Sec0: now reinstall sysvinit like I suggested before |
| 03:06.14 | peterS | Sec0: cd /var/cache/apt/archives; dpkg -i --force-depends sysvinit_*.deb |
| 03:06.19 | greycat | geoaxis: let me guess. it's VFAT, right? |
| 03:06.26 | greycat | geoaxis: if so: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 03:07.05 | geoaxis | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.11 | baka03 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:07.38 | Sec0 | Unpacking sysvinit (from sysvinit_2.84-2woody1_i386.deb) ... |
| 03:07.38 | Sec0 | Your dpkg version does not support the "Pre-depends" field. Upgrade your |
| 03:07.38 | Sec0 | version of dpkg first (to 1.1.0 or later) and reinstall. |
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| 03:07.57 | peterS | Sec0: bleh. ok, dpkg -i --force-depends dpkg_*.deb |
| 03:08.00 | peterS | Sec0: *then* do sysvinit |
| 03:08.14 | jarango | can someone please help me fix apt-get ? |
| 03:08.16 | greycat | peterS: has he done "apt-get -d --reinstall install sysvinit dpkg" yet? |
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| 03:08.24 | Sec0 | Setting up sysvinit (2.84-2woody1) ... |
| 03:08.24 | Sec0 | sd468:/var/cache/apt/archives# |
| 03:08.26 | Sec0 | :D |
| 03:08.36 | peterS | greycat: dpkg doesn't know about its own database so it thinks itself is way out of date |
| 03:08.41 | peterS | greycat: this screws with dependencies and more |
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| 03:09.03 | Sec0 | thank you alot peterS! |
| 03:09.06 | jarango | can someone please help me fix apt-get ? |
| 03:09.26 | johnga1t | what is command line for reconfigure of network connection? |
| 03:09.30 | scott | are there debs of the nvidia geforce drivers? |
| 03:09.37 | peterS | Sec0: no problem. I suspect you have a lot more wrong with your system than just dpkg and sysvinit. see if you can get more details on how your friend got you into this mess |
| 03:09.46 | holo_ | scott, yep |
| 03:09.49 | scarynetworkguy | !tell scott about faq |
| 03:09.57 | peterS | Sec0: that will give you an idea of what other packages you should attempt to reinstall, using 'apt-get install --reinstall' |
| 03:09.58 | scarynetworkguy | scott: in the audio/video section |
| 03:10.04 | greycat | peterS: oh silly me, thinking it used "dpkg --version" |
| 03:10.07 | scott | of non-free? |
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| 03:10.35 | durge | fellas i upgraded kde by doing apt-get upgrade kde, its still saying version 2.2 |
| 03:10.40 | peterS | greycat: the whole dpkg system puts a lot of faith in the integrity of dpkg's database (: |
| 03:10.59 | peterS | durge: that doesn't upgrade. try 'apt-get install kde' if anything |
| 03:11.02 | greycat | durge: "apt-get upgrade kde" is not a valid command (or to be more precise, it's equivalent to "apt-get upgrade") |
| 03:11.07 | peterS | durge: yes, it's counterintuitive |
| 03:11.13 | rugliaf | When I try to install kontact-plugins, it gives the error: "dpkg: error processing kontact-plugins_4 3a3.2.3-2_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite kontactknt.so which is also in package kontact. How can I fix this? |
| 03:11.15 | johnga1t | what do i run from command-line to reconfigure network connection |
| 03:11.15 | johnga1t | ? |
| 03:11.22 | greycat | johnga1t: man interfaces |
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| 03:11.30 | peterS | johnga1t: editor /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:11.33 | bipolar | w00t! Cyrus is back up :) |
| 03:11.50 | johnga1t | peterS : but how can i pull up that nice ol debian menu that i saw during install? |
| 03:11.53 | marmot | dpkg --reconfigure packagename isnt it? |
| 03:11.57 | dpkg | marmot: wish i knew |
| 03:11.58 | peterS | johnga1t: I think that's "etherconf" |
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| 03:12.03 | Sec0 | its working perfect. thank you again.! |
| 03:12.06 | durge | i already did apt-get install kde |
| 03:12.07 | peterS | marmot: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 03:12.10 | scott | sid was before sarge? |
| 03:12.20 | greycat | !FAQ |
| 03:12.21 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 03:12.28 | jarango | can someone please help me fix apt-get ? |
| 03:12.33 | greycat | durge: then you're on woody. |
| 03:12.41 | durge | i know i am |
| 03:12.48 | greycat | then what did you EXPECT? |
| 03:13.00 | baka03 | jarango just tell the problem |
| 03:13.01 | durge | i cant upgrade to a newer versoin of KDE? |
| 03:13.12 | durge | only 2.2 is highest on woody? |
| 03:13.14 | scott | my sources.list is pointed at unstable--is that the newest version of debian? |
| 03:13.17 | greycat | durge: well, sarge's kde is missing right now, but that should be fixed. can you wait a day or so? |
| 03:13.26 | peterS | durge: correct. woody was released in 2002, remember |
| 03:13.43 | durge | well ithought you could still upgrade KDE regardless |
| 03:13.43 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 03:13.43 | dpkg | i heard sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 03:13.52 | greycat | durge: ask #debian-kde about a woody backport, then. |
| 03:13.56 | durge | i mean windows 2k came out in 2k but you can still update it know what im saying |
| 03:13.58 | greycat | durge: but I wouldn't bother. sarge is coming. |
| 03:14.02 | durge | oh ok |
| 03:14.15 | durge | i tried installing KDE on sarge but there was issues so i went to woody |
| 03:14.39 | greycat | Are amd64 systems worth buying yet? Or are they problem-prone? |
| 03:14.43 | rapha3l | hi, i've got a pb, i've got a readonly error msg when i want to create a file on my /root/ folder Oo, can someone help me ? |
| 03:14.47 | durge | i have 2 |
| 03:14.52 | durge | i dont see whats wrong with AMD |
| 03:14.53 | jarango | I need help fixing apt-get. Package defoma fails in configure, causing dependency problems that prevent configuration of other packages .... |
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| 03:15.18 | scarynetworkguy | jarango: try a apt-get -f install |
| 03:15.19 | greycat | !tell rapha3l about errors |
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| 03:15.55 | durge | greycat when is sarge supposed to be ok to use with KDE? |
| 03:15.58 | durge | do you have an eta? |
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| 03:16.08 | jarango | scarynetworkguy: thanks, but I get exactly the same outcome |
| 03:16.10 | greycat | durge: /topic |
| 03:16.12 | johnga1t | what do i type @ command line to bring up network interfaces config? |
| 03:16.17 | rapha3l | greycat, touch: ne peut faire un touch sur `pouet': Système de fichiers accessible en lecture seulement |
| 03:16.17 | rapha3l | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:16.24 | greycat | johnga1t: man interfaces; editor /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:16.30 | durge | yea i see that |
| 03:16.30 | johnga1t | also: iface eth0 inet dhcp should be all i need in /etc/netowrk/interfaces for dhcp connection, yes? |
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| 03:16.43 | durge | what does that # mean? |
| 03:17.04 | malex|home | durge: Number |
| 03:17.24 | baka03 | johnga1t also need "auto eth0" if you want it to come up on boot |
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| 03:17.45 | durge | is sarge really worth getting though until its proven stable |
| 03:17.47 | johnga1t | baka03 : that's in there |
| 03:17.48 | jarango | I need help fixing apt-get. Package defoma fails in configure, causing dependency problems that prevent configuration of other packages .... |
| 03:17.55 | johnga1t | baka03 : how do i set my gateway ip? |
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| 03:18.33 | scott | I see a long list of kernel-images, for all sorts of different cpus, but which is for Athlon XP? |
| 03:18.41 | baka03 | then your done (/etc/init.d/networking restart) will restart the interfaces and make it get an ip |
| 03:18.59 | jarango | johnga1t: /etc/init.d/networking [start|stop] |
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| 03:19.50 | baka03 | jarango Usage: /etc/init.d/networking {start|stop|reload|restart} |
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| 03:20.12 | johnga1t | baka03, jurango: thanks fellas |
| 03:20.26 | baka03 | johnga1t your dhcp server should assign your gateway |
| 03:20.40 | initech | man i just bought me a cheap little gig-e switch, this thing is cool |
| 03:20.42 | baka03 | if not it needs configuring |
| 03:21.05 | jarango | johnga1t: /etc/init.d/networking [start|stop] |
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| 03:21.07 | billybob | you mean assuming he actuall has a device thats detected to begin with |
| 03:21.08 | jarango | I need help fixing apt-get. Package defoma fails in configure, causing dependency problems that prevent configuration of other packages .... |
| 03:21.28 | scarynetworkguy | !tell jarango about repeat |
| 03:22.13 | baka03 | jarango did you apt-get install -f |
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| 03:22.25 | slisher | When I try to play a cd I get this error: cdplay can't open cdrom (/dev/cdrom) Why? |
| 03:22.47 | baka03 | slisher is /dev/cdrom pointing to the right cdrom device |
| 03:23.09 | jarango | baka03: yes, but I get the same problem with that command too... |
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| 03:23.50 | jarango | baka03: how can I force apt-get to reinstall defoma even if its at the newest version ? |
| 03:23.53 | slisher | baka03: Not sure |
| 03:24.01 | slisher | baka03:how do I check |
| 03:24.07 | scarynetworkguy | jarango: what is the exact command that you typed? |
| 03:24.21 | baka03 | jarango dpkg-reconfigure defoma (maybe) |
| 03:24.27 | slisher | baka03: It will mount fine with a data cd |
| 03:24.33 | holo_ | can i flood? |
| 03:24.36 | jarango | scarynetworkguy: apt-get install -f |
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| 03:24.42 | baka03 | ahh slisher you dont mount a music cd |
| 03:24.46 | billybob | ,,, |
| 03:24.55 | initech | baka03: you can |
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| 03:24.58 | baka03 | what player are you using |
| 03:25.05 | jarango | baka03: that will only reconfigure, I need to reinstall ... |
| 03:25.07 | baka03 | initech but you shouldnt need to |
| 03:25.16 | slisher | baka03: cdplay, grip it doesn't matter |
| 03:25.34 | slisher | baka03: I didn't try to mount it. |
| 03:25.38 | initech | baka03: in kde you can mount the audio cd and drag them to another folder to rip them, it's rather nice |
| 03:26.01 | greycat | it's not really mounting it |
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| 03:26.10 | initech | greycat: true |
| 03:26.18 | baka03 | um then im not sure (if you can mount data) then its pointing to the right device |
| 03:26.23 | scarynetworkguy | jarango: Do *not* paste in here. Do a apt-get install -f then paste the output starting with the line on which you typed the command in #flood NOT HERE |
| 03:26.28 | greycat | slisher: the FAQ has tips on setting up permissions and so on |
| 03:26.30 | baka03 | slisher are you using X |
| 03:26.33 | holo_ | its not worth of, the output error is in portuguese :\ |
| 03:26.48 | slisher | baka03: yes |
| 03:26.55 | greycat | holo_: you can export LANG=C to get it into english temporarily |
| 03:27.00 | baka03 | use xmms and install xmms-cdread |
| 03:27.03 | yaarg | anyone installed debian on an thinkpad x30? :) |
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| 03:27.25 | slisher | greycat: I have the same problem logged in as root |
| 03:27.42 | holo_ | greycat, already on debian-br thanks |
| 03:27.53 | greycat | slisher: then /dev/cdrom probably points to the wrong place |
| 03:27.54 | Archville | could anyone tell me what drivers should i install if i have a prism3 IEEE 802.11b wireless usb card ? |
| 03:28.05 | baka03 | greycat but he can mount data? |
| 03:28.07 | Archville | i cant get it to work with prism2_usb module |
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| 03:28.16 | slisher | greycat: I'm really new at this. how do I check? |
| 03:28.20 | greycat | baka03: maybe he's not using /dev/cdrom for that |
| 03:28.23 | gx1 | my 'apt-get install kernel..' error'd out, will it resume if i type that same command again? |
| 03:28.27 | greycat | slisher: ls -ld /dev/cdrom |
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| 03:28.37 | greycat | gx1: depends on the error |
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| 03:28.58 | gx1 | somethin about needin to configure my bootloader for initrd |
| 03:29.01 | gx1 | error(1) |
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| 03:29.23 | scarynetworkguy | jarango: where in the fuck in what I told you did it say to fucking msg me? |
| 03:29.30 | greycat | gx1: try *reading* it. |
| 03:30.08 | slisher | greycat: what should I see? |
| 03:30.18 | gx1 | hard to read when i keep gettin stupid errors floodin my screen sayin 'probably hardware bug: restoring chip configuration' :( |
| 03:30.36 | jarango | scarynetworkguy: what's the difference ? |
| 03:30.37 | deepfrze | If I press the play button on my cd drive my audio cds play through my speakers, however none of my cd playing packages recognize my cdrom. What am I doing wrong? |
| 03:30.43 | greycat | slisher: the virgin mary. what do you THINK I'm going to say? |
| 03:31.09 | baka03 | now now greycat |
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| 03:31.19 | greycat | deepfrze: did you read the FAQ? |
| 03:31.33 | slisher | greycat: It's pointing to scd0 |
| 03:31.34 | baka03 | slisher how do you mount data cds |
| 03:31.45 | greycat | slisher: and are you using SCSI emulation on this drive? |
| 03:31.49 | baka03 | slisher cat /etc/fstab |
| 03:31.54 | maher | deepfrze: check permissions |
| 03:32.02 | baka03 | and what device are you using for the cdrom |
| 03:32.06 | slisher | baka03: just using the cdrom on gnome desktop |
| 03:32.08 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 03:32.08 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
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| 03:33.07 | deepfrze | maher, greycat, thanks |
| 03:33.31 | baka03 | slisher did you look in /etc/fstab for me |
| 03:33.34 | slisher | baka03: /dev/cdrom |
| 03:33.38 | jarango | I need help fixing apt-get. Package defoma fails in configure, causing dependency problems that prevent configuration of other packages .... |
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| 03:33.50 | baka03 | ok put a data cd in and type mount /cdrom |
| 03:33.52 | slisher | greycat: no |
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| 03:34.26 | baka03 | slisher is this a SCSI cdrom? |
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| 03:35.03 | VapourBoy | where is a good place to get informed on alsa & OSS enulation under Liunux? |
| 03:35.22 | greycat | slisher: if it's not SCSI, and not SCSI emulation, then scd0 is wrong. |
| 03:35.29 | slisher | baka03: no. This is new. /dev/cdrom is not a valid block device |
| 03:35.36 | slisher | baka03: I never used to get that |
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| 03:35.43 | baka03 | right |
| 03:35.45 | greycat | waht did you change? |
| 03:35.51 | kingsley | Can klipper be configured so the right mouse button is a shortcut to klipper's "Actions" menu? |
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| 03:36.10 | scott | on my current running kernel, how do I find out which ethernet driver it's using? |
| 03:36.17 | greycat | scott: dmesg, lsmod |
| 03:36.20 | scarynetworkguy | scott: lsmod |
| 03:36.26 | stew | kingsley: try #debian-kde |
| 03:36.27 | slisher | baka03: not sure |
| 03:36.30 | kingsley | scott: lsmod | less |
| 03:36.48 | nvzscousin | I didn't see her.. |
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| 03:37.07 | kingsley | stew: I did. |
| 03:37.07 | nvzscousin | maybe another day |
| 03:37.12 | greycat | nvzscousin: your computer must not be properly blessed, then |
| 03:37.18 | jarango | scarynetworkguy: fuck you |
| 03:37.20 | baka03 | slisher type dmesg | less |
| 03:37.25 | scott | how do I find out which of the things in lsmod is my ethernet? |
| 03:37.29 | nvzscousin | greycat: That could be why, it's nvz's comp, not mine |
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| 03:37.38 | baka03 | look for the section thats locating your cdrom |
| 03:37.41 | zeo33x | i use djbdns is there a way to setup a local domain and be able to do something like 'ping foo' instead of 'ping foo.internal' ? how is this implemented? |
| 03:37.42 | greycat | scott: process of elimination |
| 03:37.53 | greycat | zeo33x: that's an /etc/resolv.conf issue |
| 03:38.05 | gx1 | whats the command that tells me about my network, like eth0, dont seem to be an ifconfig in debian |
| 03:38.14 | greycat | gx1: /sbin/ifconfig -a |
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| 03:38.21 | nvzscousin | Mine is blessed with.. somewhat up to date hardware |
| 03:38.23 | zeo33x | greycat: oh... |
| 03:38.51 | zeo33x | greycat: nice i got it :) |
| 03:38.51 | zeo33x | thanks |
| 03:39.05 | baka03 | slisher how did you go |
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| 03:39.13 | slisher | baka03: i don't see anything that looks like a cd |
| 03:39.25 | greycat | scott: you can also use "modinfo" on each module name to see what it is |
| 03:39.31 | baka03 | slisher when did you last boot this machine? |
| 03:39.32 | greycat | e.g. "modinfo 3c59x" |
| 03:39.40 | slisher | baka03: 10 minutes ago |
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| 03:40.02 | baka03 | slisher could you see it finding your hdd |
| 03:40.02 | gx1 | ok i got the 2.6.7 kernel installed right but it seems to have killed my NAT, how do i reconfigure it? |
| 03:40.24 | slisher | baka03: id does say ACPI disabled because your bios is from 00 and too old |
| 03:40.39 | baka03 | slisher thats not cdrom |
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| 03:41.00 | scott | do I need input core support in my kernel to be able to use the keyboard and mouse? |
| 03:41.01 | slisher | baka03: All the info appears to be about memory |
| 03:41.25 | jarango | I need help fixing apt-get. Package defoma fails in configure, causing dependency problems that prevent configuration of other packages .... |
| 03:41.42 | maher | jarango: what version of debian |
| 03:41.47 | rugliaf | When I try to install kontact-plugins, it gives the error: "dpkg: error processing kontact-plugins_4 3a3.2.3-2_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite kontactknt.so which is also in package kontact. How can I fix this? |
| 03:41.53 | slisher | baka03: hang on, i didn't realize there was more info |
| 03:41.55 | jarango | maher: testing |
| 03:42.02 | baka03 | anyone know where the boot up information goes after boot (i know dmesg holds it for awhile) but it soon gets replaced with other system messages |
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| 03:42.50 | deepfrze | greycat, maher, that works, man I googled and read crap for two hrs |
| 03:43.06 | deepfrze | greycat, maher, thanks again |
| 03:43.41 | slisher | baka03: Now I found it |
| 03:43.52 | baka03 | ok what device is it assigned to |
| 03:44.21 | jarango | maher: ? |
| 03:44.37 | slisher | baka03: hdb is my cdrom and hdd is my burner |
| 03:44.41 | maher | jarango: what error |
| 03:44.45 | baka03 | ok |
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| 03:45.06 | baka03 | slisher you need to replace the /dev/cdrom link |
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| 03:45.26 | baka03 | do you want to beable to use both drives to read/play |
| 03:45.44 | slisher | yes |
| 03:45.52 | baka03 | slisher rm /dev/cdrom |
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| 03:45.57 | jarango | maher: can I msg you ? |
| 03:46.06 | maher | jarango: no - paste in #flood |
| 03:46.17 | slisher | ok |
| 03:46.19 | baka03 | ln -s /dev/hdb /dev/cdrom |
| 03:46.39 | slisher | ln -s /dev/hdb /dev/cdrom |
| 03:46.53 | baka03 | slisher yes |
| 03:47.06 | slisher | ok, done |
| 03:47.19 | baka03 | slisher now edit /etc/fstab |
| 03:47.52 | maher | jarango: try using dpkg -i on the defoma deb and pasting the error |
| 03:48.10 | baka03 | under /dev/cdrom line add another the same except change /dev/cdrom to /dev/hdd and /cdrom to /cdburner |
| 03:48.22 | jarango | maher: done |
| 03:48.31 | jarango | maher: how can I get the defoma deb ? its not in my cache ... |
| 03:48.55 | maher | jarango: just dl it - it must be there if apt is trying to install it |
| 03:49.03 | baka03 | slisher tell me when your done |
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| 03:49.43 | maher | jarango: failed in buffer_read(fd): md5hash: Input/output error <-- this is the problem |
| 03:49.58 | rugliaf | How can I force apt-get install to go on with installing the package no matter what? |
| 03:49.58 | slisher | baka03: is everything else on the line the same? |
| 03:50.09 | baka03 | slisher yeah |
| 03:50.12 | maher | jarango: go through the defoma config stuff and work out what's causing the error |
| 03:50.32 | greycat | rugliaf: you can't. apt-get isn't a low-level tool of system destruction like dpkg is. |
| 03:50.48 | rugliaf | greycat: Can I some other way? |
| 03:50.58 | slisher | baka03: all done |
| 03:51.05 | baka03 | slisher save and exit |
| 03:51.07 | greycat | rugliaf: can you *what*? |
| 03:51.11 | baka03 | then mkdir /cdburner |
| 03:51.20 | jarango | maher: I'm still trying to figure out how to download defoma. Its not in my cache for sure .... |
| 03:51.36 | rugliaf | greycat: I'm trying to force kontact-plugins to install somehow |
| 03:51.46 | maher | jarango: it probably got unpacked already then - look in /var/lib/dpkg/info for the config scripts |
| 03:51.57 | slisher | baka03: should i be in the /dev dir? |
| 03:51.57 | baka03 | slisher then test both drives with a data cd (by mount /cdrom and mount /cdburner) |
| 03:51.57 | bofh80 | if anybody here knows treesize can they suggest an alternative for me? |
| 03:52.14 | greycat | rugliaf: download it by hand, and use "dpkg -i" on it. |
| 03:52.24 | baka03 | slisher if you mkdir /cdburner it will go into the root dir anyhow |
| 03:52.26 | greycat | rugliaf: when your system breaks, you get to clean it up. |
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| 03:53.13 | jarango | maher: I don't have enough knowledge to know what to do in /var/lib/dpkg/info .... |
| 03:53.27 | rugliaf | greycat: Well, you know a safe way of fixing it? apt says "trying to overwrite kcm_kontactknt.so which is also in package kontact" |
| 03:53.35 | jarango | maher: its in there |
| 03:53.47 | greycat | rugliaf: dpkg -i --force-overwrite (and see above about breaking) |
| 03:54.12 | sadsix | i have onboard sound and whenever i go to scroll down or move my broswer it distorts my sound/xmms, what are the possible things causing this? irq conflict? |
| 03:54.17 | greycat | rugliaf: hint: it's in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 03:54.29 | maher | jarango: look at the defoma script - see if you can find out what's causing the error - i can't tell offhand |
| 03:54.30 | slisher | baka03: they both mounted |
| 03:54.42 | jarango | maher: if I could just find a way to force apt-get to download it and install it again, perhaps that md5 error means it did not download correctly ... |
| 03:54.43 | greycat | sadsix: alsa? ISA sound card? |
| 03:54.43 | baka03 | slisher ok good start |
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| 03:54.50 | runixd | how can I enter a non-printable character as password into getpass() ? something like 0x20 ? |
| 03:54.53 | rugliaf | greycat: ok, unless you know a safe way I may as well try this |
| 03:54.56 | greycat | sadsix: (*which* sound chipset is it?) |
| 03:55.01 | baka03 | slisher now put a audio cd in to the reader and try playing it |
| 03:55.15 | jarango | maher: I think it's probably corrupted and that's why md5 failed ... |
| 03:55.16 | sadsix | greycat: its onboard, i don't know the chipset exactly, i guess i need to run a dmesg to figure it out |
| 03:55.21 | maher | jarango: just download the deb manually and do dpkg -i |
| 03:55.27 | greycat | sadsix: excellent starting point |
| 03:55.41 | sadsix | grecat: VIA VT82C686A |
| 03:55.49 | greycat | sadsix: using ALSA or OSS? |
| 03:55.50 | jarango | maher: where are the debs in the mirror ? |
| 03:55.58 | sadsix | greycat: oss |
| 03:56.08 | jarango | I'm in ftp://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/dists/testing/main/ |
| 03:56.11 | maher | jarango: in pool |
| 03:56.22 | greycat | sadsix: then it's too subtle for me. probably relates to PCI bus contention |
| 03:56.58 | sadsix | greycat: ahhh, thanks. |
| 03:57.03 | slisher | baka03: That worked!! how do I get my cd out of the burner?? |
| 03:57.14 | baka03 | sadsix does it do the same when you use the keyboard to scroll down |
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| 03:57.25 | baka03 | umount /cdburner |
| 03:57.33 | jarango | maher: I must be blind, I don't see 'pool' |
| 03:57.36 | baka03 | then it should allow you to open it |
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| 03:57.47 | sadsix | baka03: yes it does |
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| 03:58.12 | baka03 | then i think it might be your video setup not the mouse |
| 03:58.16 | greycat | baka03: it's probably the video display of the scrolling that's causing the interference, not the input devices |
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| 03:58.32 | baka03 | sadsix are you using DRI? |
| 03:58.34 | slisher | baka03: Thanks |
| 03:58.43 | baka03 | slisher no problem |
| 03:59.04 | maher | greycat: you haven't seen my quake skillz |
| 03:59.12 | helix | heh |
| 03:59.15 | sadsix | baka03: sorry i am familiar with DRI, i am googling it |
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| 03:59.32 | baka03 | sadsix run glxgears -info |
| 03:59.48 | maher | helix: shouldn't you be hiding in the basement? |
| 03:59.55 | zakame | hello! what do I need to get OpenGL in X working with a Radeon VE? |
| 03:59.57 | rugliaf | doh, even dpkg -i kontacts thing returned the same error. No clue what to do cause something else I need to install says run apt-get -f install to fix it... |
| 04:00.02 | baka03 | do you see Mesa indirect |
| 04:00.06 | helix | maher: err, we don't have basements in florida. |
| 04:00.17 | helix | maher: I'm thinking about going on a "vacation" though |
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| 04:00.31 | sadsix | baka03: yes i do |
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| 04:00.33 | peterS | hiding in the basement is soooo midwest. that's a tornado thing to do |
| 04:00.41 | baka03 | sadsix what video card is it/ |
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| 04:01.04 | greycat | it's probably hard to dig a proper basement on a swamp |
| 04:01.10 | zakame | helix: i heard the new twister's 3 times as big as charley |
| 04:01.16 | maher | helix: get diggin' |
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| 04:01.42 | sadsix | baka03: well its an onboard video, so i am trying to figure that out right now. |
| 04:01.53 | maher | helix: where will you go for holiday? bahamas? |
| 04:01.55 | baka03 | sadsix lspci -v |
| 04:01.57 | helix | ha |
| 04:02.06 | helix | zakame: it's rather large, yes.. |
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| 04:02.30 | baka03 | sadsix you should see VGA compatible controller: |
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| 04:02.46 | maher | helix: weather is boring here i'm afraid... but maybe we'll have an earthquake... |
| 04:02.59 | helix | maher: true |
| 04:03.03 | zakame | helix: is is going to hit florida? |
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| 04:03.11 | helix | zakame: it looks like it |
| 04:03.29 | jsaxton86 | Hi, quick question about IP Masquerading. I have setup an IP Masquerading box, I can ping it from a client, but I am still not able to get internet access through it. I have tried using the debugging tips presented at TLDP. I ran /sbin/ipchains -n -L and was wondering what my output meant. If anybody wants to help me the output is at http://www.geocities.com/jsaxton86/ipchainstest.txt |
| 04:03.43 | helix | and there's another one right behind it |
| 04:03.49 | sadsix | baka03: yea lspci didn't pull up anything, so basically instead of using MESA you are recommending i should be using some other X driver? |
| 04:03.49 | jarango | maher: fixed it, thanks a lot... the previously downloaded version was corrupted and that is why I was getting the md5 error |
| 04:04.03 | maher | jarango: odd - are your disks ok? |
| 04:04.06 | simonrvn | maher: here it's pretty boring too, we're on the canadian shield, or just south of it (?) |
| 04:04.19 | baka03 | sadsix where did i say that |
| 04:04.31 | zakame | helix: heh, looks like my aunt's havin' bad luck in there :( |
| 04:04.50 | baka03 | sadsix so lspci didnt have any section for your video card |
| 04:04.57 | jarango | maher: The disk is kind of old, but don't you think it could also be a network error ? |
| 04:04.57 | baka03 | how old is this pc? |
| 04:04.58 | sadsix | baka03: nope |
| 04:05.00 | maher | simonrvn: bears? plagues of frogs? |
| 04:05.25 | baka03 | sadsix where there any unknown devices? |
| 04:05.26 | jarango | maher: all it takes is just one bad packet... |
| 04:05.38 | helix | zakame: where does your aunt live? |
| 04:05.46 | sadsix | baka03: no its a PIV brand new pc |
| 04:05.47 | simonrvn | maher: ha, right. maybe the frogs - bears not very often, we're on an island |
| 04:05.58 | baka03 | PIV |
| 04:05.59 | maher | jarango: bad packets should occur at the rate of 1 in 2^32 or something... |
| 04:06.06 | baka03 | sadsix where there any unknown devices? |
| 04:06.18 | sadsix | baka03: yes, i think i found the issue |
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| 04:06.25 | sadsix | i see where you are going with this |
| 04:06.37 | baka03 | sadsix do you |
| 04:06.54 | sadsix | cool cool, thanks |
| 04:07.02 | jarango | maher: but the do and can happen: http://www.cc.gatech.edu/classes/AY2002/cs8803d_spring/papers/checksum.pdf |
| 04:07.02 | baka03 | sadsix righto |
| 04:07.26 | zakame | helix: somewhere in orlando, in the suburbs. Already they were almost hit by a big tree which landed just outside their house, good thing the car wasn't totaled... |
| 04:07.28 | baka03 | sadsix might see you soon, when you break it ;) |
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| 04:08.38 | Shorty` | hmm |
| 04:08.43 | Shorty` | does anything in linux handle asf files? |
| 04:08.51 | helix | zakame: ah, yeah :/ |
| 04:08.52 | greycat | besides rm(1)? |
| 04:09.03 | helix | zakame: people that leave orlando aren't allowed to go back to their houses atm |
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| 04:09.08 | atomjack | anyone have any tips on doing a fresh install of debian on a disk > 137gb? |
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| 04:09.45 | zakame | helix: is that so? :( well, godd thing they haven't... |
| 04:09.52 | rich_ | Shorty` mplayer handles them. |
| 04:10.06 | zakame | helix: I'm here in .ph so i'm not in the know... |
| 04:10.06 | Shorty` | cool |
| 04:10.07 | Shorty` | ;) |
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| 04:10.30 | helix | zakame: ah |
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| 04:11.48 | muhoo | in metacity, how can i pop up an hmenu of open/minimised apps? seems like a simple thing. gnome-control-center's "keyboard shortcuts" doesn't show anything applicable. |
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| 04:12.54 | zakame | how do I play encrypted DVDs in xine? |
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| 04:14.03 | Xenguy | wow... |
| 04:14.04 | The_Vulture | zakame: read the docs and find the de-css libs |
| 04:14.24 | zakame | The_Vulture: you mean libcss/libdvdcss? |
| 04:14.44 | `Sid | zakame: apt-get install libdvdcss2 |
| 04:14.53 | dan2 | Guerin: up for another game? |
| 04:14.58 | vladkao | sunday is coming, wait a bit :) |
| 04:15.23 | `Sid | zakame: visit videolan.org for more information .. |
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| 04:16.39 | zakame | `Sid: i have. developers.videolan.org/libdvdcss has a good read. thanks :) |
| 04:17.05 | `Sid | zakame: no problem |
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| 04:18.21 | beowu1f | has anyone here used snort before.. i think someone keeps tryna connect to my telnet daemon.. want to know how to log connection tries with snort.? |
| 04:18.29 | Ox_King | in unrealircd3.2.1 how do i enable the cloaking module? |
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| 04:21.19 | rich_ | Ox_King I cant see you. How do you know its not enabled? |
| 04:22.24 | Slackeerb | Cany anyone help? When im installing debain i there [ ] Desktop emviorment package selection shows up. I tryed slecting diffrent ftp mirrirs but none seem to show up with it. Any ideas? |
| 04:22.29 | MerlinCorey | Ox_King: this isn't the place for that... |
| 04:22.42 | MerlinCorey | Ox_King: irc.unrealircd.com #unreal-support and be nice... |
| 04:22.48 | MerlinCorey | good luck passing the quiz... |
| 04:23.07 | Slackeerb | god i cant type =) |
| 04:23.25 | Slackeerb | anyways ya when installing debian im unable to install a desktop emviorment |
| 04:23.27 | Ox_King | quiz? |
| 04:23.36 | Ox_King | MerlinCorey: what do you mean quiz? |
| 04:23.54 | MerlinCorey | Ox_King: when you join the unreal support channel, a bot gives you a quiz to make sure you sort of know what you're doing... |
| 04:24.09 | Ox_King | figures |
| 04:24.25 | Slackeerb | anyone? help? please. =) |
| 04:24.39 | greycat | Slackeerb: too vague. |
| 04:25.28 | Slackeerb | greycat: lol you helped me before! Anyways when installing debian i slect an ftp to download from. But its sapost to have [ ] desktop emviorment. But it doesnt. |
| 04:25.42 | zakame | is there a way to upgrade only the base packages to sarge? |
| 04:25.58 | greycat | Slackeerb: I haven't used tasksel in *years*. And you didn't even say which version of debian you're attempting to use. |
| 04:26.00 | MerlinCorey | I think he means tasksel doesn't have an option for desktop enviornment, greycat... |
| 04:26.07 | MerlinCorey | yeah, you got it :) |
| 04:26.08 | greycat | MerlinCorey: and I'm supposed to care? :) |
| 04:26.10 | The_Vulture | Slackeerb: install x-windows-system or something.. |
| 04:26.17 | MerlinCorey | greycat: nah :) |
| 04:26.57 | baka03 | zakame why do you want to do that |
| 04:27.00 | greycat | zakame: apt-get update; apt-get install libc6 dpkg apt .... (pick and choose) |
| 04:27.06 | greycat | zakame: it seems a bit silly, though |
| 04:27.55 | Slackeerb | greycat: im useing sarge |
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| 04:28.09 | muhoo | irssi is driving me nuts. i want pgup/pgdown to page up a *whole* page, not a half of one. |
| 04:28.15 | greycat | if you think tasksel is missing something, then report that in your installation bug report. |
| 04:28.33 | mentor | How the hell can Dell justify selling a Dual AC power input cord for £119?!? |
| 04:28.38 | greycat | "Have YOU filed your sarge install report today?" |
| 04:28.53 | Phated | muhoo: How about getting used to hitting PgUp twice? |
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| 04:29.18 | muhoo | Phated: that'd be too smart ;-) |
| 04:29.26 | Phated | muhoo: Your loss. :) |
| 04:29.41 | Phated | mentor: It's Dell. : |
| 04:29.42 | Phated | D |
| 04:29.55 | greycat | Phated: you forgot the obligatory "Duuuuude!" |
| 04:30.10 | Phated | greycat: Where? |
| 04:30.15 | rich_ | mentor They probably think no one will notice because its under contract. Aww how cute, it thinks its haliburton :) |
| 04:30.22 | greycat | as in "Duuuuuude! It's a Dell!' |
| 04:30.25 | greycat | s/'/"/ |
| 04:30.36 | zakame | greycat: why silly? |
| 04:30.46 | zakame | baka03: just curious |
| 04:30.52 | Phated | Tasksel. |
| 04:30.53 | Phated | Ick. |
| 04:31.13 | greycat | zakame: why wouldn't you want, say, the new gcc? |
| 04:31.45 | zakame | greycat: I wanted the base packages. gcc's devel... |
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| 04:32.02 | greycat | you can do whatever you want. I still think you're silly. |
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| 04:32.54 | zakame | greycat: feel free to think :) |
| 04:33.10 | Phated | Oooh, good one. |
| 04:33.19 | vladkao | think different :> |
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| 04:33.28 | Phated | Think out of the box. |
| 04:33.32 | johnga1t | what easiest non-gimp way to take screenshot in x? |
| 04:33.38 | baka03 | scrot |
| 04:33.39 | Phated | johnga1t: scrot. |
| 04:33.41 | greycat | johnga1t: /msg dpkg screen shot |
| 04:33.50 | zakame | johnga1t: import |
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| 04:34.05 | greycat | isn't "easiest" |
| 04:34.14 | johnga1t | mentor : btw, finally got this damn thing working! |
| 04:34.17 | greycat | bah. isn't "easist" "non-gimp" redundant? |
| 04:34.20 | Phated | johnga1t: As you can see, two votes for scrot and one for everything else. Obvious choice is scrot. |
| 04:34.24 | mentor | johnga1t: hurrah. |
| 04:34.38 | mentor | johnga1t: Did you manage to get hte USB keychain to mount properly? |
| 04:34.38 | nailbiter | johnga1t: xwd -root | gzip >myscreenshot.xwd.gz |
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| 04:34.48 | johnga1t | mentor : will send url w/ pics. quite nice when it's all done. |
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| 04:35.00 | johnga1t | nailbiter : can i export that to jpg/bmp/etc? |
| 04:35.01 | Phated | johnga1t: Open a command line, "scrot". Done. |
| 04:35.04 | nailbiter | johnga1t: yes |
| 04:35.12 | zakame | johnga1t: import -window root |
| 04:35.36 | wood | anyone know how to fix a kernel panic for not being able to mount VFS during the boot up of the 2.6 kernel |
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| 04:36.01 | baka03 | wood what filesystem are you using |
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| 04:36.16 | wood | ext3 |
| 04:36.21 | Phated | wood: Did you compile in support for ext3? |
| 04:36.23 | wood | yes |
| 04:36.24 | johnga1t | Phated : nice. and i can do delay w/ something like "sleep n; scrot" ? |
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| 04:36.35 | Phated | johnga1t: Probably. :) |
| 04:36.51 | johnga1t | excellent |
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| 04:36.58 | baka03 | johnga1t yeah |
| 04:37.00 | johnga1t | you gentlepeople are execllent |
| 04:37.07 | Phated | johnga1t: AFAIK, scrot works with no input whatsoever, you just type the command and you get a .png in your homedir, |
| 04:37.10 | Phated | . |
| 04:37.21 | Phated | My, my. Gentlepeople... *Hurrah for the non-sexism* |
| 04:37.33 | wood | i dont understand what else i can do |
| 04:37.37 | greycat | speciesist! |
| 04:37.42 | johnga1t | Phated : you is female? |
| 04:37.42 | zakame | Phated: Oooh... |
| 04:37.48 | Phated | greycat: Hahahahaha. "Gentlebeings"? |
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| 04:37.58 | Phated | johnga1t: "You are". ;) but yes. :) |
| 04:38.04 | greycat | Phated: uh.... existentialist? :) |
| 04:38.05 | zakame | wood: how did you compile your kernel? |
| 04:38.11 | wood | with make-kpkg |
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| 04:38.34 | Phated | greycat: Who, me? Yes. |
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| 04:38.36 | bipolar | Double w00t! |
| 04:38.39 | johnga1t | Phated : i is/was being funny. |
| 04:38.46 | Phated | johnga1t: Hahahaha. :) |
| 04:38.50 | johnga1t | Phated : i be actually very american. |
| 04:38.53 | bipolar | upgrade from woody to sarge is a success :) |
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| 04:38.58 | BlackJudas-Ballz | What do people normally create as symlinks in the /dev/ dir for A DVD reader as well as a writer? /dev/dvd /dev/dvd1? |
| 04:39.02 | bipolar | still needs cleaning up though |
| 04:39.02 | Phated | johnga1t: Oh, believe me, you sound -very- American. |
| 04:39.14 | johnga1t | Phated : althought i'm sure there are people who've had to take the TOEFL that have 10x the vocab of me |
| 04:39.32 | Phated | bipolar: Dude, woody > sarge is usually not that difficult. |
| 04:39.42 | nailbiter | wood: compiled in support for your IDE chipset? |
| 04:39.45 | Phated | johnga1t: Sure, I'll take TOEFL sometime and report back. |
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| 04:39.53 | bipolar | Phated: not from what I've heard. :\ |
| 04:40.00 | greycat | the hardest step in woody->sarge is editing /etc/lilo.conf by hand |
| 04:40.01 | nailbiter | BlackJudas-Ballz: pick whatever you find convenient. some folks prefer a /dev/cdrw (or /dev/dvdrw). devfs provides a /dev/cdroms/{cdrom0,cdrom1,..} |
| 04:40.07 | bipolar | Phated: and this is on a full server. |
| 04:40.07 | Phated | bipolar: Rubbish. I went woody > sid without a hitch. |
| 04:40.09 | johnga1t | Phated : what country are you from? |
| 04:40.13 | Phated | johnga1t: .sg. |
| 04:40.24 | wood | its not a problem if i have ext2 and ext3 support compiled in right |
| 04:40.26 | Phated | bipolar: Ahhh, that might be harder. I'm a home PC person. |
| 04:40.26 | BlackJudas-Ballz | nailbiter: good call... /dev/dvd and /dev/dvdrw |
| 04:40.35 | Phated | wood: Should not be, I have that happening. |
| 04:40.37 | nailbiter | greycat: an amazing number of people who miss that step end up in here .. |
| 04:40.45 | greycat | wood: compiling them in is strongly recommended |
| 04:40.52 | bipolar | Phated: yeah. I needed to get about 2GB of email, http, etc upgraded :) |
| 04:40.55 | wood | thats what i though |
| 04:40.55 | wood | t |
| 04:41.27 | Phated | By the way. I get something like "IRQ 09: No one cared!" when I halt this machine... Everything else seems to function perfectly during runtime. This is a 2.6.8 kernel that I get problems on. Ideas? |
| 04:41.52 | BlackJudas-Ballz | Phated: I have the same problems, except... I get it during runtime. |
| 04:41.53 | greycat | "don't halt the machine"? :) |
| 04:41.57 | nailbiter | Phated: do a 'cat /proc/interrupts' first to see which device generates irq 9. |
| 04:41.58 | Phated | BlackJudas-Ballz: How odd. |
| 04:42.03 | BlackJudas-Ballz | Phated: I'd be super happy to have your problem. |
| 04:42.04 | Phated | greycat: Shut up, you don't have a green mom. |
| 04:42.12 | Phated | BlackJudas-Ballz: Meh. I'd be happy to solve it. |
| 04:42.20 | Phated | nailbiter: Okies. Paste in #flood coming up. |
| 04:42.36 | greycat | Phated: if that means what I think it does, I do. But I can overrule her in tech matters because she's totally terrified of anything more complex than a wristwatch. |
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| 04:42.59 | greycat | Also I don't live with her any more. |
| 04:43.00 | Phated | greycat: Well mine's not. So she makes noises at me if I don't halt when I go to school. |
| 04:43.50 | vladkao | Phated: is electricity cheap in .sg ? |
| 04:44.09 | baka03 | ahh school them where the days, when all you had to worry about was doing a halt before you leave |
| 04:44.10 | Phated | vladkao: Not during the day. It's a little cheaper at night. But not my much. |
| 04:44.18 | Phated | baka03: :P |
| 04:44.32 | vladkao | hah |
| 04:44.50 | vladkao | Phated: so, tried google for your "little" problem ? |
| 04:45.24 | Phated | vladkao: No, IRC. :D |
| 04:45.24 | greycat | Phated: you should make her buy one of those Eden PCs, or a Soekris, or something |
| 04:45.35 | Phated | greycat: And what are those? Note this is .sg. |
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| 04:47.18 | greycat | http://www.silentpcreview.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=17&page=1 |
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| 04:48.43 | greycat | http://www.soekris.com/ for the other reference. it's got no moving parts at all. |
| 04:49.06 | Phated | Interesting. |
| 04:49.20 | vladkao | heh, google is useful :) |
| 04:50.47 | greycat | the soekris boxes are very popular for firewalls that boot from compact flash, etc. |
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| 04:51.13 | Phated | Cool. :) |
| 04:51.14 | DA_ | greycat: its so cute... |
| 04:51.21 | Phated | Cute? |
| 04:51.25 | DA_ | haha yes |
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| 04:51.42 | abrocadabro | hi, how can i limit the cpu usage for a specific program? |
| 04:51.43 | Phated | Thank you. A cute PC might just inspire my mom to -use- it... |
| 04:51.53 | DA_ | a little bundle of fun in its own little package |
| 04:51.53 | Phated | And then I'm gone. |
| 04:51.56 | greycat | http://www.soekris.com/Pictures/new_case_rearinside.jpg |
| 04:51.59 | Phated | Eew. |
| 04:52.02 | jsaxton86 | Is it possible to use IP Masquerading to bridge two connections? |
| 04:52.03 | vladkao | Phated: even your grandma can use a Mac :) |
| 04:52.10 | Phated | Ok, not for me then. Thanks anyway, greycat. :) |
| 04:52.19 | Phated | vladkao: Actually, no. She doesn't speak English. |
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| 04:52.35 | vladkao | heh |
| 04:52.49 | vladkao | isn't macos localized ? |
| 04:53.05 | Phated | She's not a huge technology person. |
| 04:53.06 | baka03 | greycat is that a mini pci port on the soekris? |
| 04:53.14 | scott | anyone here installed nvidia driver using the default debian linux kernel? |
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| 04:53.20 | nailbiter | abrocadabro: try 'ulimit'. it's a bash built-in. |
| 04:53.34 | holycow | *oooo* |
| 04:53.43 | rich_ | abrocadabro Ive been working on that same question a little bit and Ive come up with the aproach of identifying the processthat takes the most cpu, and renicing all the other processes to compensate for it. |
| 04:53.43 | holycow | greycat... what is that? i want one whatever it is |
| 04:53.54 | nailbiter | jsaxton86: what you mean by 'bridge'? is one of them an internal network that you want to provide Internet access through the other with? |
| 04:54.07 | DA_ | heh |
| 04:54.08 | Phated | holycow: We're talking the soekris and Eden pcs. |
| 04:54.20 | holycow | Phated, *ooo* |
| 04:54.29 | Phated | holycow: Yeah, yeah. |
| 04:54.51 | rich_ | abrocadabro look at ps --User $USER --sort utime That sorts them by user cpu time |
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| 04:55.41 | abrocadabro | rich_:thanks, i've have a look |
| 04:56.10 | greycat | Phated: anyway, I suggested that (at least half jokingly) because I figured, if you get a quiet enough, low-power-drain enough computer, you mom won't be able to tell it's on. |
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| 04:56.24 | rich_ | abrocadabro I used that and wrote a little script to renice everything depending on what position it occupies in that list |
| 04:56.46 | servus | I just installed Sarge, and it didn't come with dpkg-gencontrol. What's up? |
| 04:57.04 | holycow | wow price for a soekris is quite reasonable |
| 04:57.08 | vladkao | greycat: and remove the power LED ? :) |
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| 04:57.15 | Guerin | dan2: ping |
| 04:57.18 | holycow | shit thanks for the link, i was looking for 'exactly' something like this |
| 04:57.30 | SpAc | I've just installed IMP : apt-get install IMP . Although now when i direct my browser to the IMP page I get a dialog asking if i would like to open or save the PHP file. It seems the server is not parsing the PHP3 files. Is there a setting or something either in the apache conf, or php.ini i have overlooked? |
| 04:58.24 | holycow | those look great for firewalls and routers |
| 04:58.24 | Guerin | SpAc: add a handler for php to your apache config. Ask in #apache for instructions if the docs don't make sense to you. |
| 04:58.25 | holycow | niiiiice |
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| 04:58.37 | holycow | i wonder if they can handle any desktop type stuff |
| 04:59.04 | Phated | holycow: Meh, according to them, you can use just about any OS on them... |
| 04:59.08 | SpAc | Guerin: Righteo, I have php4 installed and working at the moment. Thi isn't enough to run these PHP3 scripts?? |
| 04:59.29 | greycat | Phated: except that one from redmond. |
| 04:59.36 | holycow | Phated, *nod* i'm just curious how powerfull the cpus actually are |
| 04:59.37 | GSH-Alex | i lost my root password but the first step doesnt seem to work for me 'linux init=/bin/sh' |
| 04:59.39 | Phated | greycat: Oh, excellent. :D |
| 04:59.41 | GSH-Alex | no such image |
| 04:59.42 | Phated | holycow: Ahhh. :) |
| 04:59.56 | greycat | holycow: probably on par with a very low end pentium ii |
| 05:00.03 | greycat | holycow: I don't have one myself, though |
| 05:00.04 | baka03 | http://www.eyo.com.au/details_B-EPIA-MII12K.html |
| 05:00.04 | baka03 | theres a 1.2Ghz eden with cardbus compactflash |
| 05:00.10 | Phated | Ooooooo. |
| 05:00.16 | holycow | i was running gnome 2.6 on a pentium 333 the other day... it was only slow really because of low ram |
| 05:00.24 | abrocadabro | rich_: is the sorting in order? my came up with different uptime in arbitry order |
| 05:00.38 | holycow | greycat, *nod* i think i'll order one just to test, looks cool |
| 05:00.54 | Guerin | SpAc: I don't know, ask in #apache or #php. |
| 05:01.04 | Guerin | SpAc: are they .php3 files? |
| 05:01.09 | SpAc | Guerin: yes |
| 05:01.10 | GSH-Alex | i lost my root password but the first step doesnt seem to work for me 'linux init=/bin/sh' no such image, what can i do ? |
| 05:01.20 | rich_ | abrocadabro I think it should sort them in the order of user level cpu useage, not uptime. Its possible to do the same thing with uptime but Youll have to read the ps man page |
| 05:01.20 | Guerin | SpAc: add a handler for .php3 files then. |
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| 05:01.38 | rich_ | abrocadabro cumulative cpu useage is also possible |
| 05:01.43 | gx1 | are most people in here professional system administrators or something |
| 05:01.44 | greycat | GSH-Alex: press TAB at the lilo boot: prompt to see a list of images |
| 05:01.58 | Guerin | gx1: no real way to tell. |
| 05:02.01 | GSH-Alex | it wont |
| 05:02.12 | greycat | GSH-Alex: does your system boot with LILO or GRUB? |
| 05:02.21 | GSH-Alex | lilo |
| 05:02.26 | GSH-Alex | a red lilo screen |
| 05:02.26 | gx1 | people seem to have an unhealthy amount of linux knowledge here |
| 05:02.35 | GSH-Alex | 22.5.9 |
| 05:02.36 | holycow | baka03, slow link, you didn't by any chance post that on slashdot? :) |
| 05:02.38 | rich_ | gx1 Not me. I worked for a short time as a secretary and have less than a years worth of programing classes. Im just a hobyist |
| 05:02.44 | baka03 | gx1 unless you do a vote *and everyone doesnt lie |
| 05:02.44 | greycat | GSH-Alex: what's the name of the thing that's highlighted in the red menu? |
| 05:02.48 | Phated | gx1: Yeah, it's kind of the price for being in a Linux channel. |
| 05:02.50 | GSH-Alex | Linux |
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| 05:03.00 | greycat | GSH-Alex: then that should work. Linux is the image name. |
| 05:03.10 | Phated | rich_: Beat less than a years' worth of Linux experience and no programming at all. |
| 05:03.22 | greycat | and I'm pretty darn sure it's not case sensitive |
| 05:03.25 | holycow | gx1, linux is a lifestyle |
| 05:03.28 | scott | other than just installing the nvidia driver, do I need to do anything else to get glx working ? |
| 05:03.28 | MerlinCorey | bah... |
| 05:03.29 | holycow | you either do it or you die |
| 05:03.49 | GSH-Alex | but i lost my password i do not just wanna boot |
| 05:03.51 | MerlinCorey | I've never seen phaethon once :p |
| 05:03.53 | Phated | Linux is not a lifestyle Linux is LIFE. |
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| 05:04.01 | Phated | MerlinCorey: I saw him/her once. |
| 05:04.04 | MerlinCorey | they should change their nick so I can more easily tab complete Phated's ^^; |
| 05:04.04 | holycow | Phated, heh |
| 05:04.04 | r0 | scott, yes, change your X11.config |
| 05:04.17 | gx1 | i guess im not as harcore into it because i dont know anyone irl that uses linux, maybe i need to go to a LUG |
| 05:04.18 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Yeah, considering I'm around more often? |
| 05:04.20 | rich_ | Phated yea but theres the age thing. Im 39 years old now. In 20 years or so of useing computers, a years worth of classes is very little. |
| 05:04.30 | r0 | scott, and the insternet is a great resource to ask this common question, so go googling |
| 05:04.37 | rich_ | Thats just what I got from being bored |
| 05:04.40 | Guerin | gx1: I only know one person irl who uses it, and I turned them onto it. |
| 05:04.40 | vladkao | Phated: are you often around ? |
| 05:04.47 | Phated | rich_: I'm younger than you. :) |
| 05:04.49 | Spundun | what configuration I need to do to make my debian ssh server forward X11 to the client? |
| 05:04.54 | greycat | Phated is a #debian regular |
| 05:04.55 | Phated | vladkao: Check debstats for August and tell me if I was. |
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| 05:04.58 | DA_ | !seen phaethon |
| 05:04.58 | ventrue | phaethon!cyrus@adsl-63-196-241-201.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net is currently on #debian |
| 05:04.58 | dpkg | phaethon is currently on #debian (3d 22h 2m). Has said a total of 21 messages. Is idling for 5d 12h 39m 20s |
| 05:05.00 | scott | r0, can't, I don't have X working |
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| 05:05.03 | Phated | greycat: Woot, I'm a regular now? |
| 05:05.05 | S[6] | Okay |
| 05:05.05 | MerlinCorey | gx1: you don't know anyone in real life that uses linux..? maybe you need to move :p |
| 05:05.09 | S[6] | I have a fresh install here |
| 05:05.11 | r0 | scott, use lynx |
| 05:05.11 | greycat | Phated: definitely |
| 05:05.11 | rich_ | Phated excactly. By the time your my age youll have taken classes too |
| 05:05.13 | S[6] | and X won't start |
| 05:05.25 | gx1 | MerlinCorey, i live in los angeles |
| 05:05.26 | Phated | greycat: Woohoo. :D *high-five* |
| 05:05.28 | S[6] | Unable to open wrapper config |
| 05:05.29 | unamerican | can anyone tell a newbie how to install the patched orinoco driver for rfmon? i know about configure make make install but that doesn't work |
| 05:05.32 | GSH-Alex | greycat any ideas ? |
| 05:05.36 | vladkao | blah, i was regular once... i've missed a lot |
| 05:05.37 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 05:05.37 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of condoms, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen three-legged bunnies. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 05:05.47 | Phated | rich_: Ahh, well... I'm planning to take comp networking in poly, so yeah, I guess. :D |
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| 05:05.54 | S[6] | cannot stat /etc/X11/X No such file |
| 05:05.56 | MerlinCorey | gx1: then you need to meet new people... I know people in los angeles that use linux... |
| 05:06.06 | greycat | S[6]: install x-window-system-core |
| 05:06.17 | MerlinCorey | gx1: if you're near cypress or beuna park, I can hook you up with the local dc group... |
| 05:06.17 | Archville | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.19 | S[6] | can I apt it? |
| 05:06.21 | gx1 | im still tryin to figure out what computer career i want.. programming, sys admin, network admin or security related |
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| 05:06.32 | baka03 | just convince all your friends to use linux and then you know heaps of linux users |
| 05:06.49 | gx1 | i tried but my friends sasy they dont have time to learn linux |
| 05:06.53 | greycat | baka03: you mean "now you have a never ending stream of newbies demanding personal help" |
| 05:06.54 | MerlinCorey | gx1: what city do yoy live..? |
| 05:06.59 | Spundun | anyone here know how to configure ssh server? (to enable forwarding x11) |
| 05:07.00 | gx1 | la |
| 05:07.02 | baka03 | dont have time to learn ppffft |
| 05:07.04 | MerlinCorey | gx1: what city do yoy live..? |
| 05:07.06 | greycat | Spundun: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 05:07.09 | MerlinCorey | *you |
| 05:07.15 | gx1 | la |
| 05:07.25 | S[6] | greycat It says the newest version is already installed when I tried to apt it |
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| 05:07.28 | MerlinCorey | gx1: ffs, WHICH CITY DO YOU LIVE IN..? |
| 05:07.35 | S[6] | wait |
| 05:07.36 | MerlinCorey | ok, wait... |
| 05:07.40 | greycat | S[6]: apt-get --reinstall install xserver-common xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:07.43 | MerlinCorey | gx1: which COUNTY do you live in..? |
| 05:07.45 | gx1 | MerlinCorey, i said 3 times |
| 05:07.50 | MerlinCorey | gx1: la means NOTHING |
| 05:07.51 | Guerin | LA is a city, MerlinCorey |
| 05:07.52 | S[6] | Now it is going through a whole bunch on setups including x-core |
| 05:08.00 | gx1 | la is the city |
| 05:08.01 | greycat | La. is also Louisiana |
| 05:08.02 | MerlinCorey | Guerin: I lived in "la" it's like 6 counties... |
| 05:08.02 | gx1 | and the county |
| 05:08.02 | baka03 | Spundun /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 05:08.07 | S[6] | why would it stop in the middle and continie when I used apt again? |
| 05:08.16 | baka03 | Spundun X11Forwarding yes |
| 05:08.17 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: given that he said it earlier. ... |
| 05:08.20 | GSH-Alex | i lost my root password but the first step doesnt seem to work for me 'linux init=/bin/sh' no such image, what can i do ? |
| 05:08.30 | S[6] | I got some errors |
| 05:08.32 | gx1 | i live in LA city inside LA county, but theres different 'districts' |
| 05:08.35 | greycat | "la" is also a note in the musical scale |
| 05:08.40 | aedwards | anyone know how I can change http headers return to a webserver, whether from the OS or browser? |
| 05:09.04 | S[6] | AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
| 05:09.04 | greycat | aedwards: there are mozilla/firebird extensions that can change the user agent |
| 05:09.06 | Switched | gx1, does that mean you live in la la land? :P |
| 05:09.06 | S[6] | ideas? |
| 05:09.09 | Spundun | greycat: baka03: thanx |
| 05:09.10 | greycat | s/bird/fox/ |
| 05:09.11 | gx1 | when i write letters i put los angeles for the city |
| 05:09.17 | MerlinCorey | gx1: mmm, well, I don't know anything about the community in LA county, but if you can get to Orange County fairly easily, I can hook you up with some people... |
| 05:09.23 | MerlinCorey | gx1: that was my reason for asking ;) |
| 05:09.32 | gx1 | oc is 45min away |
| 05:09.36 | Phated | OK, anyone want to guess why pterm was talking up liike 98.6% of CPU? |
| 05:09.54 | holycow | baka03, that epia looks awesome |
| 05:09.56 | S[6] | AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 <---what did I do wrong. That is there error when I startx |
| 05:09.58 | Phated | Er... taking* like* |
| 05:10.07 | holycow | but i've heard that via isn't hot on linux support :/ |
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| 05:10.13 | r0 | Phated, it's because i'm using it |
| 05:10.16 | r0 | sorry 8) |
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| 05:10.18 | Phated | r0: :P |
| 05:10.21 | gx1 | not sure what having linux friends irl would be like, if they're just on the computer all the time they'd probably tell me to go home and talk to them on irc :/ |
| 05:10.37 | Phated | It pretty much froze up my whole system... Odd. |
| 05:10.45 | holycow | linux grrrls are hotties |
| 05:10.48 | baka03 | holycow not sure it says linux support there |
| 05:10.52 | Guerin | gx1: linux folks is all kinds of folks |
| 05:10.54 | Phated | gx1: Stick with #debian, they're a decent bunch. |
| 05:10.55 | r0 | Phated, what user was running it? |
| 05:10.57 | aedwards | thanks greycat |
| 05:10.59 | S[6] | Just a side thought, I saw a guy working on the picture booths in the mall and it was running linux |
| 05:11.03 | Phated | holycow: Oy. Much with the sexism. :| |
| 05:11.06 | Switched | GSH-Alex, my only stab, but have you a) tried 'Linux init=/bin/sh' , b) 'Linux single', or c) use a rescue disk ? |
| 05:11.13 | Phated | r0: Me. This is a home PC. |
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| 05:11.17 | Guerin | holycow: yeah, just like linux fellers iare studly musclemen? |
| 05:11.25 | holycow | Guerin, ehe |
| 05:11.27 | dan2 | Guerin: want to play? |
| 05:11.27 | holycow | :) |
| 05:11.29 | gx1 | are they gonna be all hardcore and say i can't use windows at all (cuz i use windows for certain software/hardware) |
| 05:11.33 | Guerin | dan2: yeah |
| 05:11.34 | rich_ | gx1 I got on the internet slightly before most of the world did and I did not have tv at the time. I watch it like most people watch tv. Why not? |
| 05:11.37 | johnga1t | mentor : you still there? |
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| 05:11.49 | Guerin | dan2: gimme 5, Madame wants a game too |
| 05:11.51 | johnga1t | graytron : you still there? |
| 05:11.54 | r0 | Phated, yes, but what user was running that process? |
| 05:11.56 | Phated | Actually, Linux guys are pretty hot. As for the muscle... Well, you're gonna be lugging machines around. |
| 05:11.59 | Phated | r0: Me. |
| 05:12.00 | dan2 | Guerin: cmon online, I gotta one player already |
| 05:12.06 | johnga1t | graytron : thought you'd find this a bit rewarding .. got the damn thing working. http://jake.no-ip.com/gallery/aaeon_system2 |
| 05:12.17 | GSH-Alex | need some help here, how to get root when u lost the password ? |
| 05:12.23 | Phated | r0: It's annoying, because even X is using like 0.3%... |
| 05:12.24 | dan2 | Guerin: will swap him in next game |
| 05:12.35 | dan2 | Guerin: my friend is about to kill me if I don't start now |
| 05:12.43 | r0 | Phated, don't use it then 8p |
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| 05:12.58 | SpAc | you can point me to some docs on getting php3 and apache to talk can you? I can't seem to make it work myself! |
| 05:13.02 | gx1 | how is linux a lifestyle though, once you set it up what more is there to do on a constant basis |
| 05:13.07 | Phated | r0: I'm in console now, but pterm NEVER freezes my system. :| |
| 05:13.13 | r0 | SpAc, does this look like #php to you? |
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| 05:13.21 | Phated | gx1: Like I said. It ain't a lifestyle. It's LIFE. |
| 05:13.30 | Switched | gx1, checkemail and drink coffee :) |
| 05:13.31 | r0 | nice |
| 05:13.32 | S[6] | whats a command line aim client? That I can apt? |
| 05:13.33 | baka03 | GSH-Alex one way is to mount the hdd in another linux machine and delete the root password with an editor |
| 05:13.35 | gx1 | how is an operating system a life though i dont get it :( |
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| 05:13.39 | Phated | Linux Is For Everyone. <- LIFE. |
| 05:13.45 | baka03 | or find a tiny linux cd distro |
| 05:13.49 | Phated | S[6]: Try centericq? |
| 05:13.49 | nailbiter | SpAc: try adding "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php3" to your httpd.conf. |
| 05:13.55 | MerlinCorey | gx1: it's a lifestyle because it's not just an OS, it's a way of thinking, etc... |
| 05:14.07 | Phated | IT's a whole philosophy and community. |
| 05:14.17 | gx1 | isnt that more gnu than linux |
| 05:14.18 | Phated | phaethon: Oh, hello. MerlinCorey: Oi! |
| 05:14.20 | S[6] | so anyone have any idea on the X thing? |
| 05:14.24 | Phated | gx1: Linux is kind of GNU. |
| 05:14.28 | S[6] | thank you phated btw |
| 05:14.28 | Phated | Kind of, but not. |
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| 05:14.33 | abrocadabro | add single into you kernel argument and edit shadow and del encryption on the root line |
| 05:14.36 | MerlinCorey | phaethon: wow, 22 lines ^^; |
| 05:14.37 | Phated | S[6]: :) |
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| 05:14.44 | phaethon | (a), I reg'd this nick five years ago. (b), I idle in here since dpkg (used to?) ignore queries from people not in #debian. |
| 05:15.03 | gx1 | what careers do most linux enthusiasts have, sysadmin? |
| 05:15.05 | MerlinCorey | phaethon: it's ok, I was being fatuous... |
| 05:15.11 | Phated | phaethon: I think dpkg will not ignore you now. :) Also, we were -kidding-... :D |
| 05:15.12 | Switched | sysadmin here |
| 05:15.15 | S[6] | phated : doesn't have aim support |
| 05:15.15 | vanes | hi! |
| 05:15.15 | Phated | gx1: Student here. |
| 05:15.18 | rich_ | Oh yea, I loved working outdoors, and doing manual labor, but I broke my neck when I was still a minor, so Im pretty much been desk bound most of my life. Your right, us desk jockeys dont get as many girls as ditch diggers or construction workers, they dont ussually allow us to whistle or make suggestive comments, but we get by :) |
| 05:15.19 | baka03 | sysadmin here |
| 05:15.20 | S[6] | student here as well |
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| 05:15.25 | Phated | \o/ |
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| 05:15.27 | gx1 | i need a j.o.b |
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| 05:15.40 | phaethon | I tried changing nick to phaethon|PleaseWatchYourAutoNickCompleteMonster, but this ircd chopped it off after 'W' or something. |
| 05:15.43 | vanes | aynako matulog na ako, |
| 05:15.50 | Phated | rich_: Make a suggestive comment, go on. :) |
| 05:15.57 | phaethon | (it actually didn't let me change since I wound up in #debian-overflow at that point) |
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| 05:16.14 | vanes | hi! guy's |
| 05:16.16 | Rep4-Lap | if i wanted to grep a directory of log files, for a certain word, how could i go by doing that? ie: looking for '404' errors over multiple directories... |
| 05:16.17 | Phated | Dude(tte), chiiiiill. |
| 05:16.38 | S[6] | omg |
| 05:16.39 | S[6] | please |
| 05:16.41 | S[6] | I like x |
| 05:16.44 | S[6] | I really do |
| 05:16.45 | vanes | wala tayong magawa, |
| 05:16.45 | rich_ | gx1 My last job was as a clerical worker for the state of oregon. All the secretaries, like me used windows, but they used unix upstairs. So I bought myself a laptop, so I wouldnt have to use windows. |
| 05:16.47 | Phated | S[6]: Eh? |
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| 05:16.54 | S[6] | AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 <---what did I do wrong. That is there error when I startx. |
| 05:16.55 | phaethon | Rep4-Lap, grep -r <pattern> * |
| 05:16.58 | Phated | MerlinCorey: :P or thank you. One of them. |
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| 05:17.16 | rich_ | I was a "batch technician" Which means I divided huge printouts and distributed them |
| 05:17.23 | rich_ | In an office |
| 05:17.28 | MerlinCorey | Phated: I thought we agreed, just friends, no tongue..? :P |
| 05:17.31 | Phated | rich_: Also known and the office gofer. :D |
| 05:17.35 | Phated | MerlinCorey: EW! |
| 05:17.43 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 05:17.43 | MerlinCorey | :) |
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| 05:17.56 | gx1 | do you have to be a total linux master to get a sysadmin job or are there ways you can be medicore |
| 05:17.56 | S[6] | What was the re-install command for apt? |
| 05:18.09 | rich_ | Phated Well actually it was worse than that. It was a medical welfare office, and very ugly |
| 05:18.14 | nailbiter | S[6]: that's not really what's preventing your X server from starting. look for the '(EE)' lines in your /var/log/XFree86.0.log instead. |
| 05:18.16 | Phated | S[6]: apt-get install --reinstall. |
| 05:18.17 | gx1 | --reinstall -install |
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| 05:18.19 | Phated | I think. |
| 05:18.23 | MerlinCorey | gx1: well, if the systems aren't unix you're not going to be using any of your linux mastery, now are you..? |
| 05:18.27 | Switched | gx1, there's always junior admin jobs |
| 05:18.31 | Phated | rich_: Ahhhh. |
| 05:18.36 | rich_ | ... the oregon health plan |
| 05:18.45 | gx1 | what do junior admins do |
| 05:18.55 | Phated | Get bullied by senior admins. |
| 05:18.56 | gx1 | not get root? |
| 05:19.04 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 05:19.16 | Switched | gx1, run up the new systems, siimple scripting, answer thee phone, etc |
| 05:19.17 | baka03 | gx1 install OS, fix little user problems |
| 05:19.26 | Rep4-Lap | thanks phaethon |
| 05:19.28 | Phated | MerlinCorey: *sigh* Get off the floor, we can still be friends... :P |
| 05:19.29 | gx1 | isnt that what senior admins do |
| 05:19.38 | MerlinCorey | Phated: :o >< |
| 05:19.48 | baka03 | gx1 senior admins fix big problems |
| 05:19.49 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Eh, whazzat? |
| 05:19.57 | S[6] | Unable to open /dev/agpgart (No such device) |
| 05:19.58 | MerlinCorey | Phated: bad ascii art... |
| 05:19.59 | phaethon | There are only three tiers in system administration: The BOFH, the PFY, and everyone else. |
| 05:20.01 | baka03 | and sit and pretend there is bigger problems when there isnt |
| 05:20.04 | S[6] | Thats the prob |
| 05:20.04 | Phated | MerlinCorey: I agree. |
| 05:20.09 | Phated | phaethon: Heh. :) |
| 05:20.10 | Switched | gx1, senior admin design the new solutions, more intense automation and programming, deal withthe PHBs, etc |
| 05:20.11 | Abnix | can anyone get a IP address from this hostname: aoparadise.com ? |
| 05:20.11 | servus | Grr. X isn't detecting my mouse |
| 05:20.16 | gx1 | maybe i could be a junior linux admin then, might be less stressfull than senior, probably less pay but i dont care that much |
| 05:20.22 | Phated | Abnix: Tried nmap? |
| 05:20.24 | MerlinCorey | Phated: I have some 3d ascii art, but if I paste it, I'll get kicked ^^; |
| 05:20.31 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Oooooh, DCC? |
| 05:20.38 | S[6] | ascii pron lol |
| 05:20.39 | r0 | MerlinCorey, msg me |
| 05:20.43 | gx1 | or do i have to be certified to get a jr admin position |
| 05:20.53 | gx1 | and i dont mean certifiably insane |
| 05:20.55 | nailbiter | S[6]: ok. so load your agpgart kernel module and make sure your /dev/agpgart device node exists. |
| 05:21.07 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Waiting... :D |
| 05:21.07 | baka03 | gx1 it depends on the company |
| 05:21.08 | Switched | gx1, a good place to start might be your nearest SAGE chapter |
| 05:21.09 | Abnix | Phated: did I ask that? I'm trying to find out if *anyone* can find it's IP |
| 05:21.13 | MerlinCorey | well, MINE sucks... |
| 05:21.17 | Phated | Abnix: OK, hang on. |
| 05:21.20 | MerlinCorey | I do have some good examples, though... |
| 05:21.21 | S[6] | nailbiter ........ <---Newbie a little man. I got basics but explain how please? |
| 05:21.37 | Phated | HAhahahahaha. |
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| 05:21.47 | gx1 | sage? |
| 05:22.04 | Switched | gx1, system adminitsrators guild |
| 05:22.08 | r0 | ( . Y . ) ascii pr0n rulz r0o |
| 05:22.09 | Switched | usually .org |
| 05:22.13 | gx1 | whats e |
| 05:22.15 | S[6] | lol r0 |
| 05:22.20 | Phated | Abnix: Nope, nothing, can't connect to it either. |
| 05:22.23 | Switched | gx1, heeliifiknow |
| 05:22.28 | Switched | er, um |
| 05:22.31 | Switched | yeah |
| 05:22.48 | Phated | r0: Man, those are the worse boobs like ever. |
| 05:22.50 | holycow | http://www.viaarena.com/?PageID=378 |
| 05:22.54 | S[6] | fake |
| 05:22.58 | S[6] | definetly fake |
| 05:23.04 | Phated | Totally. |
| 05:23.11 | gx1 | is 'remote sys admin' a real job? what is that like work from home jr admin |
| 05:23.19 | Phated | And I should know fake, I've seen those. |
| 05:23.22 | r0 | i send a picture of mine through an ascii art compiler, and that's what came out |
| 05:23.23 | S[6] | anyone know how to start my agpgart modules? |
| 05:23.27 | nailbiter | S[6]: try 'modprobe agpgart' first. |
| 05:23.36 | Phated | r0: Yeah, suuuuuure. What prog is this? |
| 05:23.44 | SpAc | one last quick question. How come on the stable packages site for IMP its says version 3:2.2.6-5.2 yet only install version 2.2 something when using apt-get install IMP? |
| 05:23.50 | r0 | Phated, i am jk, but they do have such things |
| 05:23.53 | nailbiter | S[6]: then check your /dev/agpgart device node; "ls -l /dev/agpgart". |
| 05:23.57 | S[6] | can't locate nailbiter |
| 05:24.03 | baka03 | gx1 i sometimes do my job from home, its not much different then doing it at work |
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| 05:24.14 | holycow | i think i'm going to get a mini-itx mobo as well to play with, build one without cdrom |
| 05:24.17 | Phated | r0: Yeah, but like what? |
| 05:24.30 | Phated | r0: Give me a name so I can check it out. :) |
| 05:24.32 | MerlinCorey | yeah, there's always http://spacebarcowboy.com/ascii/a-z/a-z.html |
| 05:24.34 | gx1 | i guess you can do everythin from home remotely except install the os or plug new stuff in |
| 05:24.36 | baka03 | holycow keep us posted on how that goes |
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| 05:24.54 | baka03 | gx1 yeah |
| 05:24.55 | Switched | gx1, for what it's worth, i started at a small ISP doing helldesk. Started to take on the boring admin jobs, moved up from there. |
| 05:24.56 | holycow | *nod* will do |
| 05:24.59 | gx1 | whats the best way to learn how to become a solid admin? any books, websites.. |
| 05:25.00 | Phated | MerlinCorey: I think I've been there. Personally, I like the ASCII diagrams in Phrack. |
| 05:25.00 | r0 | Phated, no idea, that stuff it too old, and i don't got time for it |
| 05:25.02 | phaethon | gx1, that's where Robo-Sapien comes in! |
| 05:25.07 | Phated | r0: Meh, it's OK. |
| 05:25.16 | r0 | Phated, worth looking into, because i know it does exist |
| 05:25.17 | Phated | gx1: Experience and maybe a course in comp sci? |
| 05:25.22 | Phated | r0: Cool. |
| 05:25.30 | MerlinCorey | Phated: spacebarcowboy or the 3d ascii art link..? |
| 05:25.39 | gx1 | i can install linux and use most of hte commands and i can code in C decently |
| 05:25.45 | Zetabyte | gx1: read BOFH on theregister.com |
| 05:25.46 | baka03 | gx1 it depends really you want a general knowledge in scripting programming networks pc hardware etc |
| 05:25.52 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Dunno. Are we talking ACSII streograms? |
| 05:25.55 | Switched | gx1, i know it's blasphemy in here, but have a look at the objectives for gaining an rhce. |
| 05:25.55 | gx1 | but im not super good with configuration, especially networkin stuff, and hardware i kinda suck at |
| 05:26.00 | MerlinCorey | Phated: yes... |
| 05:26.09 | S[6] | what about CompTia's linux+? |
| 05:26.11 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Ooooooooh. |
| 05:26.22 | S[6] | *CompTIA |
| 05:26.23 | baka03 | S[6] if you have the $$ |
| 05:26.27 | MerlinCorey | Phated: http://aa-project.sourceforge.net/aa3d/ is nice, too |
| 05:26.30 | Phated | MerlinCorey: I think I've been to spacebarcowboy... throw me that 3D art links again? |
| 05:26.30 | S[6] | expensive? |
| 05:26.34 | S[6] | Never looked into it |
| 05:26.42 | Phated | MerlinCorey: I never did figure how aa3d was to be used. |
| 05:26.45 | S[6] | nailbiter How do I get the agpgart module? |
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| 05:27.04 | baka03 | S[6] its pretty pricey (esp. for anyone who isnt working) |
| 05:27.07 | MerlinCorey | the /me found is links to a few stereograms and a small tutorial on how to make them... |
| 05:27.30 | phaethon | does packet-writing on a DVD+R (a) make sense, and (b) work as expected? |
| 05:27.41 | nailbiter | S[6]: are you using a custom-compiled kernel? |
| 05:27.49 | r0 | Phated, in fact, i actually remember at one time a small group of underground developers made a complete linux window manager out of ascii. |
| 05:28.05 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 05:28.06 | Phated | r0: 0_0 Cool. |
| 05:28.12 | S[6] | Custom-Compiled......I used an old version of woody which has the 2.2 kernel |
| 05:28.20 | phaethon | Screw Need For Speed: Underground. We've got Linux Window Manager: Underground. |
| 05:28.25 | Phated | Did anyone ever see the huge ASCII Tux made from kernel source? |
| 05:28.28 | MerlinCorey | bwahahaha |
| 05:28.43 | Phated | I have the html if anyone wants it. :D |
| 05:28.44 | nailbiter | S[6]: erk. i don't know if the 2.2.x kernels even provide AGP support or not. |
| 05:28.58 | S[6] | can't I update my kernel via apt? |
| 05:29.06 | S[6] | kernel image or something? |
| 05:29.09 | nailbiter | S[6]: yes. try installing 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-686' |
| 05:29.18 | MerlinCorey | Phated: oooh, yes, please :) |
| 05:29.22 | Phated | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.22 | nailbiter | S[6]: or just do 'apt-cache search kernel-image-2' to see what's available |
| 05:29.26 | Phated | Erk. |
| 05:29.32 | Phated | MerlinCorey: DCC headsup./ |
| 05:30.01 | MerlinCorey | awww, we have similar upspeed... |
| 05:30.04 | GSH-Alex | im recovering root password i got a single user bash prompt but it doesnt know vi or passwd commands |
| 05:30.12 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Eh? |
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| 05:30.23 | MerlinCorey | your upload speed and mine are quite similar... |
| 05:30.27 | Phated | Ahhhh. |
| 05:30.37 | nailbiter | GSH-Alex: you managed to boot with 'linux init=/bin/bash'? |
| 05:30.38 | MerlinCorey | trillian..? |
| 05:30.39 | S[6] | Okay |
| 05:30.42 | MerlinCorey | is that on unix these days..? |
| 05:30.44 | rich_ | Computers can act like people thats true. You can play a game against it as if it was a person. But they arent very smart. The only real challenge is when they allow you to play against other people. |
| 05:30.45 | GSH-Alex | yes |
| 05:30.48 | GSH-Alex | nailbiter ues |
| 05:30.50 | GSH-Alex | yes |
| 05:30.58 | S[6] | How do I fix lilo (dual boot btw) to boot the new kernel? |
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| 05:31.25 | Phated | S[6]: Read the instructions that were thrown at you when you installed the new kernl. Alternatively, join me in #flood. |
| 05:31.27 | nailbiter | S[6]: you shouldn't have to -- the postinst scripts should have changed your /linux symlink to point at your new kernel. |
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| 05:31.53 | vipersniper | how do i get kde to start instead of gnome |
| 05:31.56 | nailbiter | S[6]: the one thing you might have to do, though, is check if your new kernel uses an initrd; if it does, add that to your /etc/lilo.conf. |
| 05:32.04 | Phated | vipersniper: Installed KDE? |
| 05:32.09 | baka03 | vipersniper edit your .xsession |
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| 05:32.19 | nailbiter | GSH-Alex: so .. 'passwd' isn't in your path at all? |
| 05:32.30 | GSH-Alex | oh nevermind i needed to mount /usr |
| 05:32.39 | nailbiter | GSH-Alex: try '/sbin/passwd' -- you may not have a PATH set when you boot into a minimal shell like that. |
| 05:32.40 | Phated | vipersniper: Also possibly use something like gdm, which will let you choose what WM/DE to start. |
| 05:32.59 | nailbiter | GSH-Alex: i mean .. /usr/bin/passwd. :) |
| 05:33.02 | nailbiter | GSH-Alex: oh, ok |
| 05:33.32 | exobyte | how can I display what the gateway/router address I go though is? |
| 05:33.55 | Switched | exobyte, netstat -r |
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| 05:34.04 | Switched | should showa 'default' entry |
| 05:34.06 | nailbiter | exobyte: also, "route -n". or "ip route list". |
| 05:34.12 | Switched | or UG |
| 05:34.29 | stew | or just ip route |
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| 05:34.35 | exobyte | heh- so I have the wrong gateway set, somewhere |
| 05:35.16 | sgeigerbot | !test |
| 05:35.17 | dpkg | No, sgeigerbot, you're not online any more. |
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| 05:36.12 | S[6] | new problem |
| 05:36.15 | S[6] | :\ |
| 05:36.25 | exobyte | So.. I have the router set right in the dhcp config, but it didn't get set right in the system |
| 05:36.45 | S[6] | Couldn't mount root fs I need to "append correct "root=" boot option |
| 05:37.12 | andyx | how many users are here in #debian? |
| 05:37.12 | andyx | it almost crashed my web-based irc client generating the user list |
| 05:37.12 | andyx | in here |
| 05:37.18 | MerlinCorey | 700 |
| 05:37.32 | andyx | :O |
| 05:37.33 | S[6] | nailbiter You still around? |
| 05:37.37 | Phated | andyx: Why web-based? Irssi works well. |
| 05:37.50 | nailbiter | S[6]: first, which kernel package did you install? |
| 05:37.57 | MerlinCorey | [01:37] [mCorey_ VERSION reply]: irssi v0.8.9 - running on Linux i686 |
| 05:37.57 | S[6] | 2.4.18 |
| 05:37.59 | MerlinCorey | ^^; |
| 05:38.00 | andyx | phated: im at work and im not "allowed" to install an irc client |
| 05:38.02 | S[6] | 686 |
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| 05:38.23 | MerlinCorey | andyx: that's what ssh is for... |
| 05:38.26 | nailbiter | S[6]: ok. isn't that an initrd-based kernel? did it install a /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-686 file? |
| 05:38.28 | Phated | andyx: Bah, tell my school that, I recently came on here with an illegal copy of mirc at school. |
| 05:38.29 | sgeigerbot | MerlinCorey: amen. |
| 05:38.30 | MerlinCorey | they can't stop you from using putty ^^; |
| 05:38.34 | S[6] | I made a link |
| 05:38.34 | scarynetworkguy | "There are only two rules that really matter. What a man can do and what a man can't" |
| 05:38.38 | Phated | \o/ for putty. |
| 05:38.39 | andyx | wow, 700 users that's incredible |
| 05:38.41 | S[6] | *It made a link |
| 05:38.43 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Excellent! |
| 05:38.48 | Phated | andyx: It's normal in here. |
| 05:38.56 | nailbiter | S[6]: ok. there's a /initrd.img -> /boot/initrd.img-2.4.18-686 link? |
| 05:39.01 | S[6] | ys |
| 05:39.04 | S[6] | *yes |
| 05:39.09 | nailbiter | S[6]: next, have you put the 'initrd=' line in your lilo.conf? |
| 05:39.17 | S[6] | yes |
| 05:39.17 | andyx | what is this channel for anyway |
| 05:39.21 | MerlinCorey | http://www.rumandcoke.net/merlin/shellinscreen.jpg <<< I can use that anywhere :) |
| 05:39.21 | S[6] | Did that as well |
| 05:39.24 | Phated | andyx: Debian discussion. |
| 05:39.41 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: \o/ |
| 05:39.53 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 05:39.56 | S[6] | wtf is \o/ btw |
| 05:39.58 | nailbiter | S[6]: ok. which stanza did you put it under? what exactly does the 'initrd=' line say? |
| 05:40.01 | Phated | andyx: And random noise. |
| 05:40.07 | Phated | S[6]: Person with hands in air. |
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| 05:40.22 | S[6] | I didn't do it. apt did Where is the lilo.conf so I can check? |
| 05:40.23 | Xenguy | andyx: flamewars of course, when required |
| 05:40.30 | S[6] | thnx Phated |
| 05:40.31 | MerlinCorey | gx1o\ /o/ |
| 05:40.35 | MerlinCorey | err... |
| 05:40.36 | nailbiter | S[6]: /etc/lilo.conf |
| 05:40.37 | Phated | S[6]: :) |
| 05:40.38 | MerlinCorey | ooooh... |
| 05:40.40 | MerlinCorey | stupid script... |
| 05:40.44 | nailbiter | S[6]: you're expected to edit the lilo.conf file yourself. :) |
| 05:40.56 | abrocadabro | gentoo has more people |
| 05:40.58 | andyx | im not a linux user too bad. |
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| 05:41.05 | Phated | abrocadabro: Gentoo has more morons. |
| 05:41.10 | MerlinCorey | \ blah |
| 05:41.12 | MerlinCorey | good... |
| 05:41.14 | Xenguy | abrocadabro: wind0ze has more people :p |
| 05:41.28 | S[6] | edit myself? Good god man. Windows never asked me to do that ;) |
| 05:41.29 | nailbiter | abrocadabro: gentoo users seem to be a younger crowd; it makes sense that more of them are IRC-savvy .. |
| 05:41.32 | MerlinCorey | I think he meant #gentoo ..? |
| 05:41.40 | MerlinCorey | nailbiter: huh..? IRC is before HTTP... |
| 05:41.43 | andyx | peace. |
| 05:41.44 | andyx | it's lagging like hell i have to part from it |
| 05:41.47 | nvz | flame wars.. heh |
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| 05:42.00 | Phated | MerlinCorey: You learning, man. |
| 05:42.16 | nvz | that must be when greycat, caphuso , mentor , Justin_ and everyone is here at once |
| 05:42.17 | S[6] | what am I looking for again nailbiter ? the image-/ line? |
| 05:42.18 | MerlinCorey | *nod* Great master of the Slap-Chi... |
| 05:42.31 | S[6] | *image=/? |
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| 05:42.34 | scarynetworkguy | http is *so* 1999 |
| 05:42.37 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 05:42.38 | nvz | only happens when the planets all align |
| 05:42.39 | S[6] | lol |
| 05:42.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: IRC is soooo 1980s. |
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| 05:43.01 | MerlinCorey | she's correct, you know... |
| 05:43.07 | Xenguy | Phated: yeah, like mailing lists -- they just work too damn well ;-) |
| 05:43.08 | nvz | rains fire in #debian |
| 05:43.13 | Phated | Xenguy: Meh. :) |
| 05:43.25 | S[6] | I have a image=/vmlinux and one for vmlinuxOLD |
| 05:43.27 | MerlinCorey | not that I remember when efnet was it and there was only #1 through #10, but I can imagine it :P |
| 05:43.31 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Seen the Tux yet? |
| 05:43.32 | Xenguy | Phated: it's a 'less is more' thang ;-) |
| 05:43.38 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah but the 80s were cool |
| 05:43.40 | Phated | Xenguy: Hahahahahahahahahahaha. |
| 05:43.40 | exobyte | How is this wrong? route add -net 10.0.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 05:43.41 | nailbiter | S[6]: there should be a stanza with 'image=/vmlinuz'; make sure that stanza has an 'initrd=/initrd.img' line under it. |
| 05:43.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Fine, rub it is. |
| 05:43.47 | Phated | in* |
| 05:43.52 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: heh |
| 05:43.56 | Phated | :) |
| 05:44.03 | nailbiter | exobyte: you need a 'dev eth0' at the end of that (if eth0 is the device you're routing through) |
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| 05:44.27 | MerlinCorey | Phated: yes, very nice :) |
| 05:44.33 | S[6] | there is know nailbiter |
| 05:44.35 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Yeah, isn't it cuuute? |
| 05:44.38 | S[6] | *now |
| 05:44.45 | S[6] | save and reboot? |
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| 05:44.53 | MerlinCorey | Phated: the code is getting me all hot and bothered, yes... |
| 05:44.58 | nailbiter | S[6]: yes, save the file, run 'lilo', _then_ reboot. |
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| 05:45.03 | Phated | S[6]: Save, type lilo at the root prompt,a nd then reboot. |
| 05:45.14 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Oooh, yeah, me too. ;) |
| 05:45.28 | exobyte | nailbiter: there error was that the netmask doesn't match the ip |
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| 05:45.36 | scarynetworkguy | exobyte: that would depend on what you are trying to do and what is going wrong |
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| 05:46.05 | vipersniper | is there a version of debian with the 2.6 kernel |
| 05:46.05 | nailbiter | exobyte: what's the netmask and ip address of the interface? you normally shouldn't even need to add a subnet route like that. |
| 05:46.09 | MerlinCorey | I should totally make a t-shirt with that on the back... |
| 05:46.16 | exobyte | nailbiter: 10.0.0.10 |
| 05:46.21 | Phated | vipersniper: I hear the sarge install has it, but I'm not sure. |
| 05:46.24 | MerlinCorey | and hey, #getoo only has 120 more people... |
| 05:46.25 | Phated | MerlinCorey: I want one. :) |
| 05:46.27 | nailbiter | vipersniper: the sarge (debian 3.1) release candidate ships with 2.6.7 in its installer. |
| 05:46.36 | Phated | MerlinCorey: s/people/morons/ |
| 05:46.39 | exobyte | nailbiter: and, heh, different netmask interface |
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| 05:46.56 | scarynetworkguy | exobyte: what problem are you trying to fix with that route? |
| 05:46.57 | vipersniper | nailbiter, where do i download that from |
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| 05:47.03 | scott | r0, /exit |
| 05:47.03 | scarynetworkguy | or half route I really should say |
| 05:47.05 | nailbiter | vipersniper: www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 05:47.07 | MerlinCorey | ah right; they only have 120 more connected nicks than here... |
| 05:47.12 | chealer | what's the simplest way to obtain kernel-headers-2.6.6-1-k7? my repository only has 2.6.7 one |
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| 05:47.18 | Phated | Much better. |
| 05:47.19 | exobyte | scarynetworkguy: the route isn't the gateway that the dhcp hands out |
| 05:47.23 | nailbiter | exobyte: ok. so bring it up with the right netmask, and the kernel will automatically create the subnet route for you |
| 05:47.38 | Phated | MerlinCorey: Oh, we've seen our share of tards. |
| 05:47.44 | nailbiter | exobyte: if you're using DHCP, you shouldn't even need to configure the interface or set up any routes .. |
| 05:48.03 | dan2 | Guerin: fun game eh |
| 05:48.04 | Phated | :D |
| 05:48.29 | servus | Hmm |
| 05:48.32 | Phated | exobyte: OK, if you use DHCP, you leave all network settings ALONE. |
| 05:48.34 | servus | Why can't Debian detect my mouse... |
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| 05:48.46 | Phated | !vagueness |
| 05:48.46 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 05:48.47 | hjack | okay |
| 05:48.50 | Phated | Ahhh. |
| 05:48.51 | servus | Is there some sort of program that can discover the /dev/ device of the mouse? I tried /dev/mouse and /dev/psaux |
| 05:49.08 | Phated | servus: mdiscover or something along those lines... maybe it was mprobe... |
| 05:49.10 | servus | Are there any other common /dev/ mice devices? |
| 05:49.10 | hjack | I made the changes along with some changing of what the labels were and nothing happened. Does it matter that I have lilo on MBR? |
| 05:49.17 | rajasun | servus: mdetect & gpm |
| 05:49.19 | servus | I already tried `discover'. I'll look around those things |
| 05:49.24 | Phated | Ahhh, mdetect. My bad. |
| 05:49.44 | nailbiter | chealer: http://snapshot.debian.net/package/kernel-headers-2.6.6-1-k7 |
| 05:49.53 | servus | Thanks, rajasun for the correct answer, and Phated for trying :P |
| 05:49.56 | nailbiter | servus: it's 'mdetect'. |
| 05:50.09 | hjack | iggles huh? |
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| 05:50.16 | Phated | Iggles is my new favourite word, thank you abrotman. |
| 05:50.29 | Phated | No, wait, it was thomas_adam. |
| 05:50.36 | servus | nailbiter, yes, and it said /dev/psaux... I don't know why it's not working though so I'll have to figure it out, mreh |
| 05:50.39 | dan2 | Guerin: gtkatlantic is utterly addictive |
| 05:50.42 | nailbiter | servus: which kernel version are you on? |
| 05:50.49 | Phated | dan2: What's the game like? |
| 05:51.04 | hjack | nailbiter I put the line in and save and rebooted and while I was at it I also change dthe labels but the kernel did the same thing and the labels hadn't changed |
| 05:51.05 | Guerin | dan2: heh, just like regular monopoly |
| 05:51.05 | dan2 | Phated: online monopoly |
| 05:51.06 | nailbiter | dan2: i prefer freeciv. :) |
| 05:51.11 | Phated | dan2: Meh, boring. |
| 05:51.24 | Guerin | dan2: except regular monopoly always seems to erupt into bitter arguments when we play it |
| 05:51.27 | dan2 | Phated: no its a lot more fun because banking is automated |
| 05:51.33 | nailbiter | hjack: did you run 'lilo' after changing your lilo.conf? |
| 05:51.39 | dan2 | Guerin: ^^ |
| 05:51.56 | dan2 | Guerin: computer controls rulers |
| 05:51.57 | dan2 | ;) |
| 05:52.02 | dan2 | Guerin: rules even |
| 05:52.03 | Phated | dan2: Oooooh, really? |
| 05:52.06 | scarynetworkguy | hjack: did you run lilo after editing your lilo.cong |
| 05:52.08 | dan2 | Phated: yeah |
| 05:52.13 | Phated | dan2: Oooo. |
| 05:52.13 | hjack | run.......lilo......... |
| 05:52.23 | Phated | hjack: type 'lilo |
| 05:52.26 | Guerin | Phated: I'd be a bit disappointed in any computer monopoly game which made you count your own money |
| 05:52.28 | Phated | at the root prompt... |
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| 05:52.32 | Phated | Guerin: So would I. :) |
| 05:52.54 | dan2 | Guerin: gtkatlantic games doesn't take 4 hours |
| 05:53.04 | dan2 | they're pretty much done in twenty minutes |
| 05:53.06 | dan2 | ;) |
| 05:53.30 | hjack | unreconized kernel at or above like 115 |
| 05:53.32 | hjack | which |
| 05:53.55 | halcyon | debian sirs, is your tty2~6's logout time is much longer than that of tty1? |
| 05:54.04 | hjack | is right where i put initrd=/initrd.img |
| 05:54.07 | Phated | halcyon: No. I'm a ma'am, but anyways. |
| 05:54.15 | hjack | which is right below image=/vmlinux |
| 05:54.15 | nailbiter | hjack: did you put it _after_ an image= line? |
| 05:54.24 | hjack | yes |
| 05:54.29 | nailbiter | Phated: 'night |
| 05:54.30 | dan2 | Guerin: you want to play again with your wife included? |
| 05:54.38 | Phated | nailbiter: Afternoon here. |
| 05:54.41 | hjack | There is the old image line below it for the old kernel though |
| 05:54.42 | nailbiter | Higo: it's not /vmlinux; it's /vmlinuz! |
| 05:54.48 | nailbiter | hjack: it's not /vmlinux; it's /vmlinuz! |
| 05:54.54 | nailbiter | Higo: sorry |
| 05:55.01 | dan2 | ~tell nailbiter about ^ |
| 05:55.03 | hjack | I never touched that line |
| 05:55.10 | hjack | That was how it came |
| 05:55.14 | nailbiter | Phated: afternoon nap? |
| 05:55.15 | sum_1 | i want to run some java programs, what's the name of the java runtime environment program? |
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| 05:55.18 | Guerin | Phated: bed at this hour? |
| 05:55.18 | hjack | wait |
| 05:55.19 | hjack | lol |
| 05:55.21 | Phated | nailbiter: Need sleep. :) |
| 05:55.22 | hjack | it is z |
| 05:55.23 | Phated | Guerin: ^ |
| 05:55.29 | hjack | just over looked |
| 05:55.32 | Guerin | haha |
| 05:55.40 | Phated | sum_1: Go to java.com and look. |
| 05:55.45 | Guerin | dan2: I think she's doin' stuff now |
| 05:55.46 | nailbiter | hjack: ok. could you DCC your lilo.conf (or paste it into #flood)? i'll have a quick look over it. |
| 05:55.54 | dan2 | Guerin: hmm |
| 05:55.56 | hjack | How do I do either with bitchx? |
| 05:55.58 | Guerin | and I need to see why my webserver is diving "this document contains no data" |
| 05:55.59 | servus | Hmm. |
| 05:56.05 | The_Vulture | sum_1: "java" usually.. |
| 05:56.07 | servus | Still can't get X or GPM to use my mouse |
| 05:56.10 | sum_1 | Phated, i just thought there'd be a deb for it |
| 05:56.14 | The_Vulture | you might want to install a runtime first.. |
| 05:56.24 | Phated | sum_1: Nope. |
| 05:56.31 | Xenguy | hjack: you need to you irssi instead :-) |
| 05:56.34 | Phated | sum_1: Or maybe, but I'm not sure. |
| 05:56.39 | Xenguy | s/you/use |
| 05:56.49 | nailbiter | sum_1: one recommended way to install a JRE would be to use the j2se-package tool (at z42.de/debian) to turn the official Sun jre1.4 installer into a debian package, and then install that. |
| 05:57.01 | Phated | Xenguy: "use need to use irssi instead :-)"? :D |
| 05:57.13 | Xenguy | Phated: that be it ;-) |
| 05:57.17 | chealer | nailbiter: thanks, but what do I do with such a package? it has some directories and files...no .deb? where to start? |
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| 05:57.29 | Phated | Xenguy: :) |
| 05:57.48 | nailbiter | chealer: |
| 05:57.59 | Phated | halcyon: 1) Don't /msg me, 2) I'm going to bed anyways. Ask the channel. :) 3) Good luck, have fun. |
| 05:58.00 | nailbiter | chealer: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2004/06/19/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.6-i386/ |
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| 05:58.07 | nailbiter | chealer: the header .deb package is in there |
| 05:58.10 | hjack | nailbiter get that? |
| 05:58.27 | nailbiter | hjack: your /notice? yes |
| 05:58.31 | hjack | k |
| 05:58.35 | hjack | Does that work? |
| 05:58.44 | chealer | nailbiter: easy now. so how did you find it? |
| 05:58.45 | sum_1 | thanks guys |
| 05:59.06 | chealer | I guess it's usual policy that old kernels have their related stuff removed and it's moved there? |
| 05:59.23 | nailbiter | hjack: could you put a world-readable copy of your /etc/lilo.conf in your /tmp? |
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| 05:59.34 | hjack | no how do i? |
| 05:59.39 | hjack | er |
| 05:59.42 | hjack | ure How do I? |
| 05:59.56 | scarynetworkguy | sum_1: do you just need a JRE or do you want to run java stuff on the web or what? |
| 06:00.06 | hjack | nvm |
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| 06:00.26 | nailbiter | hjack: cp /etc/lilo.conf /tmp/lilo.conf && chmod a+r /tmp/lilo.conf |
| 06:00.31 | hjack | Is theres |
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| 06:00.32 | hjack | shit |
| 06:00.33 | hjack | chmod |
| 06:00.36 | sum_1 | scarynetworkguy, i want to run azureus, which i believe requires jre |
| 06:00.52 | hjack | k |
| 06:00.55 | hjack | good to go |
| 06:00.55 | scarynetworkguy | sum_1: ok wait a second |
| 06:01.03 | sum_1 | ok |
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| 06:01.20 | dan2 | Guerin: gnite |
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| 06:02.13 | Guerin | dan2: good night |
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| 06:03.14 | nailbiter | hjack: hm. enclose your labels in quotes. like -- label="2.4.18 kernel" |
| 06:03.39 | tripppy | hi im running xebian (powered by debian) on me xbox, how do i run commands as root? |
| 06:03.41 | scarynetworkguy | sum_1: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch11.html#s11.2 |
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| 06:04.10 | sum_1 | thanks scarynetworkguy |
| 06:04.16 | hjack | Okay |
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| 06:04.20 | scarynetworkguy | sum_1: np |
| 06:04.52 | tripppy | its mind boggling - usualy i just sudo su or sudo -u root |
| 06:04.58 | tripppy | but neither are working |
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| 06:05.25 | chealer | uh I'm newbie but in kernel-headers-2.6.6-2-k7_2.6.6-2_i386 isn't there a contradiction between k7 and i386? |
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| 06:05.49 | spr0ng | anyone know if lineage2 will work in linux ? |
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| 06:06.10 | hjack | nailbiter Good to go? |
| 06:06.52 | nailbiter | hjack: ran 'lilo' yet? |
| 06:06.58 | hjack | yea |
| 06:06.59 | hjack | same error |
| 06:06.59 | tcsetattr | no, chealer, K7 is fully backward compatible with i386. i386 is consider the root of the 386/486/Pentium/K6/K7 family tree because it was the first x86 processor to support paging, which is a critical feature for Linux |
| 06:07.15 | nailbiter | hjack: i'll log in again. please make another world-readable copy in /tmp |
| 06:07.21 | hjack | shit |
| 06:07.21 | hjack | lol |
| 06:07.22 | hjack | wait |
| 06:07.28 | hjack | I forgot to cp back |
| 06:07.38 | nailbiter | !lart hjack |
| 06:08.00 | War2 | So I can load modules via /etc/modules.conf . But what if the module to be loading is a fs module that mounts /etc ? :) |
| 06:08.02 | hjack | same thing though |
| 06:08.13 | chealer | tcsetattr: yeah...I guess I'll just forget about that. thanks anyway |
| 06:08.58 | nailbiter | hjack: i'm not logging in again. send me a copy via DCC or paste it via #flood. |
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| 06:09.28 | nailbiter | War2: you might have to load the module in question via an initrd, then |
| 06:09.46 | chealer | I guess I can't understand because kernel headers must be something special |
| 06:09.48 | War2 | nailbiter: which means I'll have to compile that module into the kernel? |
| 06:09.50 | hjack | I need irssi then? to dcc? |
| 06:09.59 | nailbiter | War2: no -- an initrd is an initial ramdisk. |
| 06:10.03 | peterS | hjack: you need an IRC client of some sort, to DCC |
| 06:10.03 | War2 | hjack: what are you trying to paste? |
| 06:10.15 | hjack | my lilo.conf |
| 06:10.19 | Xenguy | hjack: you probably want to try irssi anyway ;-) |
| 06:10.27 | hjack | I can't apt it |
| 06:10.31 | War2 | hjack: paste it at http://rafb.net/paste |
| 06:10.37 | hjack | no X |
| 06:10.38 | hjack | lol |
| 06:10.39 | War2 | hjack: and give the resulting URL here in channel |
| 06:10.52 | War2 | so everyone who wants to take a look can do. |
| 06:10.58 | Xenguy | hjack: if you can't apt-get irssi, that indicates another problem, and one you should fix |
| 06:11.10 | hjack | like what |
| 06:11.12 | hjack | fresh install? |
| 06:11.28 | hjack | I tasksel all this! What happened? |
| 06:12.15 | hjack | I can't start X |
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| 06:12.20 | hjack | no agpgart modules |
| 06:12.22 | hjack | which |
| 06:12.29 | hjack | apparently 2.2 doesn't support |
| 06:12.34 | hjack | so tried apting 2.4 |
| 06:12.37 | hjack | which won't boot |
| 06:12.45 | hjack | can't mount root fs |
| 06:13.31 | Xenguy | hjack: hrm, I've had pre-compiled binary kernels crap out - many times. You may have to/want to roll your own kernel. Have you done that before? |
| 06:13.39 | hjack | lol |
| 06:13.49 | hjack | No sir |
| 06:13.57 | hjack | I have attempted |
| 06:14.02 | Xenguy | hjack: it can be done ;-) |
| 06:14.06 | hjack | that was about 6 months ago |
| 06:14.17 | hjack | when I re-installed XP and just now trying again |
| 06:15.19 | hjack | does 2.4 have NTFS w support? I could send the lilo to XP, boot it, and paste from xchat |
| 06:15.20 | hjack | ? |
| 06:15.23 | hjack | 0_o |
| 06:15.26 | Xenguy | hjack: There are 2 ways (at least) to roll a kernel: the 'regular' way, and the 'debian' way. I have a cheat sheet for both - I can DCC it FWIW -- interested? |
| 06:15.35 | hjack | FWIW? |
| 06:15.43 | Xenguy | for what it's worth |
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| 06:16.21 | hjack | I can't recieve a DCC for I am using bitchx and I can't apt irssi because there isn't a "installation medium" Other wise, YES! |
| 06:16.31 | rich_ | Xenguy me too? |
| 06:16.37 | Xenguy | OK |
| 06:16.41 | hjack | sorry |
| 06:16.43 | rich_ | Xenguy thanks |
| 06:16.54 | hjack | candidate |
| 06:16.59 | hjack | not medium |
| 06:17.19 | Xenguy | be back soon... |
| 06:17.23 | hjack | Can you eMail it? |
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| 06:17.35 | hjack | And I could boot to win and print it and use it? |
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| 06:19.09 | Zombie | Could either if you help me with an LDAP Migrane? |
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| 06:19.17 | scarynetworkguy | hjack: try apt-get isntall irssi-text, although xchat should be able to receive a dcc |
| 06:20.20 | hjack | I am using bitchx atm |
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| 06:21.30 | Zombie | Any LDAP People here? |
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| 06:22.00 | vipersniper | im, using sarge-netinstall iso and it gives me an error "no partionable media was found" please check that the hard-disk is attached :) |
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| 06:22.09 | vipersniper | wtf |
| 06:22.19 | vipersniper | windows detected it |
| 06:22.24 | sum_1 | can someone do a `which java` for me please |
| 06:22.38 | The_Vulture | sum_1: /usr/bin/java of course, but that doesn't tell you much |
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| 06:22.42 | hjack_ | Okay |
| 06:22.44 | The_Vulture | what are you trying to find out? |
| 06:22.47 | hjack_ | Got irssi going |
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| 06:23.00 | webmind | hjack_, that hard? |
| 06:23.08 | hjack_ | for me |
| 06:23.09 | sum_1 | are you sure it goes in there The_Vulture ? |
| 06:23.10 | marccd | why does linux cycle back to 0 after 497 days of uptime? |
| 06:23.10 | hjack_ | yes |
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| 06:23.16 | sum_1 | i thought they put it elsewhere |
| 06:23.16 | webmind | apt-get install irssi-text |
| 06:23.29 | The_Vulture | sum_1: it doesn't "go in there".. what are you trying to achieve? |
| 06:23.35 | The_Vulture | who put it where? |
| 06:23.50 | vipersniper | any ideas |
| 06:24.07 | webmind | marccd, integer size |
| 06:24.18 | hjack | what should the line for initrd look like and where should it be/ |
| 06:24.21 | hjack | *? |
| 06:24.32 | sum_1 | The_Vulture, i installed j2re, and want to know the path to the java executable so i can add it to my PATH |
| 06:24.43 | marccd | webmind: isnt there a way to work around it? |
| 06:25.05 | Xenguy | S[6]: re-state the question |
| 06:25.07 | hjack_ | S[7] |
| 06:25.16 | Xenguy | oh my |
| 06:25.17 | webmind | marccd, sure.. |
| 06:25.17 | S[6] | Okay |
| 06:25.53 | vipersniper | im, using sarge-netinstall iso and it gives me an error "no partionable media was found" please check that the hard-disk is attached :) |
| 06:25.54 | S[6] | In my lilo conf I was told to put a line which read "initrd=/initrd.img" |
| 06:25.59 | S[6] | where should that be? |
| 06:26.05 | The_Vulture | sum_1: what exactly did you install, and how did you install it? |
| 06:26.11 | peterS | S[6]: just after "image=/vmlinuz" |
| 06:26.12 | webmind | vipersniper, did you ? |
| 06:26.35 | vipersniper | webmind:did i what |
| 06:26.39 | S[6] | lol |
| 06:26.50 | webmind | make sure the harddisk is connected |
| 06:26.53 | sum_1 | The_Vulture, j2re-1_4_2_05-linux-i586.bin with the aid of j2se-package_0.9_all.deb, and i found the executables in /usr/lib/j2re1.4-sun/bin so all is good |
| 06:27.19 | The_Vulture | sum_1: did you do as the website and package told you and install the debian portion of j2se-package? |
| 06:27.25 | The_Vulture | apparently not |
| 06:27.25 | vipersniper | webmind:yes cause there was an older version of debian installed |
| 06:27.56 | The_Vulture | next time read the instructions |
| 06:27.56 | vipersniper | :) |
| 06:27.56 | webmind | ok |
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| 06:28.00 | sum_1 | The_Vulture, what exactly do you mean? |
| 06:28.06 | S[6] | omfg |
| 06:28.08 | webmind | vipersniper, can de bootcd find the disk? |
| 06:28.11 | S[6] | What am I doing wrong |
| 06:28.14 | webmind | any raid or something ? |
| 06:28.18 | vipersniper | webmind:no |
| 06:28.45 | webmind | scsi ? |
| 06:28.46 | The_Vulture | you created a sun-j2re1.4 package, and installed that? but you failed to then install the sun-j2re1.4debian package.. |
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| 06:28.54 | vipersniper | webmind:ide |
| 06:29.01 | S[6] | I give for tonight |
| 06:29.04 | S[6] | Thanks guys |
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| 06:29.35 | Xenguy | etc etc etc |
| 06:29.38 | webmind | vipersniper, special ide controller ? |
| 06:29.50 | vipersniper | nah, normal |
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| 06:30.20 | sum_1 | The_Vulture, i created and installed a sun-j2re1.4_1.4.2+05_i386.deb, are you talking about sun-j2re1.4debian_0.9_all.deb, and if so, what does it provide? |
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| 06:31.19 | The_Vulture | yes, read the package description |
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| 06:32.50 | The_Vulture | in any case, you shouldn't have been modifying your PATH at all |
| 06:33.09 | The_Vulture | there's already a "java" in the package you installed, did you try just running "java"? |
| 06:33.23 | The_Vulture | if you have multiple things that provide a JVM, you may need to run: update-alternatives --config java |
| 06:33.27 | The_Vulture | (as root) |
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| 06:34.43 | sum_1 | The_Vulture, yea, i just installed the package, and now there's a java executable in /usr/bin too, thanks |
| 06:35.25 | spada | hello. i was using Mozilla thunderbird. I want to take a backup of all the mail I have, before i format and reinstall. Where can i find the mails? |
| 06:35.37 | The_Vulture | sum_1: this is the way debian is meant to work :) (just check that the symlink in /usr/bin links to the right executable (java -version should give you the version) and if it doesn't, use update-alternatives) |
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| 06:36.52 | Xenguy | spada: I assume it would be somewhere under ~/.mozilla -- no? |
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| 06:37.05 | spada | Xenguy: there is a .mozilla-thunderbird |
| 06:37.30 | Xenguy | spada: well that sounds worth a check :-) |
| 06:38.00 | spada | oh ok...i did open the folder, but i read the file size as 20KB instead of MB |
| 06:38.01 | spada | hehe |
| 06:38.03 | Xenguy | spada: there's also ~/mail and/or ~/Mail -- also remember to check /var/spool/..... |
| 06:38.03 | spada | my mistake |
| 06:38.13 | Xenguy | ahh |
| 06:38.50 | spada | using nautilus to see file size |
| 06:38.52 | spada | :p |
| 06:39.10 | spada | i just popped in a blank Cd and a CDcreator window opened up all by itself |
| 06:39.11 | spada | nice |
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| 06:39.42 | Xenguy | from time to time I try to install nautilus, and it does weird things like, try to change my desktop, etc. -- bugs me |
| 06:41.06 | rich_ | Xenguy Yes, I know what you mean. Theres a command line option that you can use for it to make it run in a window. It should be the default |
| 06:41.13 | rich_ | Xenguy try dfm |
| 06:41.47 | Xenguy | rich_: you referring to nautilus? It's not installed anymore ;-) |
| 06:41.58 | rich_ | Xenguy Next time. |
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| 06:42.07 | Xenguy | right |
| 06:42.37 | chealer | I got an error trying to compile something : * Unable to find the QT installation. Please make sure that the QT development package is correctly installed and the QTDIR environment variable is set to the correct location. |
| 06:42.37 | chealer | does this mean I have to install libqt3-dev? |
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| 06:43.15 | Xenguy | chealer: something 'QT' is a good bet, yep |
| 06:43.33 | pauln | just curious: is there a sane reason kopete depends on xmms? |
| 06:43.36 | chealer | Xenguy: hehe, but synaptic shows more choices :-P |
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| 06:44.28 | Xenguy | chealer: well, unless you can find a 'walking encyclopedia' (they do actually exist, it seems :-) then I guess you have to test/troube-shoot |
| 06:44.50 | drago | hi |
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| 06:45.09 | drago | i need help |
| 06:45.14 | chealer | Xenguy: I suppose, now there's like 25 unmet dependencies for it. duh :S |
| 06:45.23 | drago | i tring to install the vmwaer |
| 06:45.26 | drago | <_drago> make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmnet-only' |
| 06:45.26 | drago | <_drago> Unable to make a vmnet module that can be loaded in the running kernel: |
| 06:45.26 | drago | <_drago> insmod: error inserting '/tmp/vmware-config0/vmnet.o': -1 File exists |
| 06:45.47 | drago | and i get the error google not help me |
| 06:45.49 | chealer | and I was wondering if changing graphic card would be easy :) |
| 06:45.55 | drago | whet is the probalm |
| 06:46.06 | Xenguy | chealer: I don't really understand how the problem originates, cos apt-get typically takes care of dependencies, right? |
| 06:46.24 | chealer | drago: looks like you already have that module |
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| 06:46.57 | chealer | Xenguy: yeah, I'll hope everything goes fine |
| 06:46.58 | drago | chealer : ok i go to the /tmp/vmware-config0/vmnet.o and del it |
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| 06:47.27 | drago | chealer wher i can find the model? |
| 06:47.30 | Xenguy | chealer: re video card: are you running a pre-compiled, or hand-rolled, kernel currently? |
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| 06:47.51 | drago | chealer and whet model? |
| 06:48.06 | chealer | drago: I said a module but I'm very newbie |
| 06:48.21 | drago | me to :( |
| 06:48.39 | Xenguy | chealer: did you choose a 'default' kernel, or did you customize your kernel? |
| 06:48.46 | chealer | Xenguy: going to TI4600 on a precompiled 2.6.6-k7 |
| 06:48.48 | drago | how i can find the model? |
| 06:48.52 | munkee | I don't get any messages on boot anymore, Just loading linux...... a long pause, and then finally a login prompt. I'd like to get my boot messages back. |
| 06:49.03 | chealer | drago: it's a module... |
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| 06:49.15 | Xenguy | drago: sorry - "model" meaning what? |
| 06:49.28 | elf | anyone ever install a tew-299ub , its a trendnet usb wireless adapter |
| 06:49.33 | drago | yes "model |
| 06:49.39 | elf | i get no where with the debian package readmes |
| 06:49.43 | drago | <drago> <_drago> make: Leaving directory `/tmp/vmware-config0/vmnet-only' |
| 06:49.43 | drago | <drago> <_drago> Unable to make a vmnet module that can be loaded in the running kernel: |
| 06:49.43 | drago | <drago> <_drago> insmod: error inserting '/tmp/vmware-config0/vmnet.o': -1 File exists |
| 06:49.51 | elf | it doesnt find the interface flags |
| 06:49.52 | chealer | drago: you MAY try "rmmod" vmnet before you write make ... |
| 06:50.04 | chealer | oops, I mean "rmmod vmnet" |
| 06:50.04 | elf | but yet i have no problem with my proxim2 pcmcia card |
| 06:50.11 | elf | i plug in , and i get internet |
| 06:50.13 | elf | =P |
| 06:50.15 | Xenguy | chealer: well I can't say for sure, but you could just swap the video card, and see if the current kernel likes it ;-) If not, then you have to roll a kernel that supports your VC |
| 06:50.23 | elf | can anyone help? |
| 06:50.29 | drago | chealer bat whet is the name off the model |
| 06:50.47 | drago | drago:/lib/modules/2.6.8.1/build/include# rmmod vmnet |
| 06:50.47 | drago | ERROR: Module vmnet is in use |
| 06:51.03 | chealer | drago: try not pasting uselessly on a big channel like #debian |
| 06:51.14 | elf | i can modprobe the prism2_usb fine , but it wont ifconfig wlan0 , even though i got it aliased in the conf as that module |
| 06:51.44 | drago | i past in site old on |
| 06:52.04 | chealer | Xenguy: I already swapped the video card, but tuxracer runs on software...and I was targetting playing UT2004 :-P |
| 06:52.18 | chealer | no 3D acceleration before I install the nvidia drivers |
| 06:52.19 | elf | the actual packages are the linux-wlan-ng |
| 06:52.26 | elf | its the prism2_usb part of it |
| 06:52.35 | drago | chealer http://rafb.net/paste/results/eXBOb074.html |
| 06:52.38 | Xenguy | chealer: not a gamer, and not sure what you mean actually -- good luck |
| 06:53.19 | elf | does anyone got any experience with wireless ? |
| 06:53.24 | elf | for linux |
| 06:53.37 | chealer | drago: I feared you would get that. try "rm /tmp/vmware-config0/vmnet.o" but I really have no idea. you should prefer google |
| 06:53.44 | elf | =P |
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| 06:54.07 | rich_ | thanks everyone, bbl |
| 06:54.34 | chealer | Xenguy: ok, tuxracer used to run with acceleration so I'm in regression for now, but I guess I'll figure it out |
| 06:54.44 | drago | chealer http://rafb.net/paste/results/p7I5DL49.html |
| 06:55.10 | chealer | drago: then retry your make |
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| 06:58.23 | drago | chealer http://rafb.net/paste/results/4qmBCW67.html |
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| 06:59.00 | elf | anyone awake that installed a usb wireless adapter before? |
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| 06:59.43 | paweld | elf, yes. |
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| 07:00.03 | elf | ok if u got time , could i explain my condition |
| 07:00.17 | elf | i dont mean to sound rude or nothing , thats not my intent |
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| 07:00.34 | chealer | drago: sorry, try google or #vmware |
| 07:00.37 | elf | its just i have rare occasions with things that dont work |
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| 07:01.43 | ed0n | I want to install debian sarge(testing) in my machine from the internet, I thought if I have to do anything with sources.list or the installer should do the work and install all the things I need from internet. I downloaded sarge-i386-netinst.iso which I hope should be the right iso. |
| 07:02.42 | Guerin | ed0n: yeah, if you have an x86 machine, you should be rosy |
| 07:02.57 | Guerin | ed0n: were you wanting to install kde? |
| 07:03.32 | ed0n | Guerin, no my choice is gnome |
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| 07:04.04 | Guerin | ed0n: ok, good, because KDE is busted in sarge, but I haven't heard anything about gnome, so I presume it's alright. |
| 07:04.29 | holycow | my last sarge gnome install was about a week ago, was fine then |
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| 07:07.08 | snail | Guerin: what exactly do you mean by "busted" ? |
| 07:07.23 | holycow | and an update today was fine so should be good |
| 07:08.37 | Guerin | snail: read the bugreoprt mentioned in the topic |
| 07:08.49 | Guerin | snail: a whole bunch of packages just ain't there. |
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| 07:09.44 | MerlinCorey | if a woman tells you she's in love with - and two of your aliases, is that a bad thing..? |
| 07:09.57 | MerlinCorey | *with you |
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| 07:11.06 | snail | Guerin: yep, sure looks like it was, but now seems fixed |
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| 07:11.29 | snail | MerlinCorey: depends on whether or not she's worked out that they're your aliases... |
| 07:11.49 | MerlinCorey | haha, indeed... |
| 07:13.07 | chealer | it says KDE depends on new version of qt broken on m68k and arm |
| 07:13.23 | chealer | pretty strange anyway |
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| 07:13.50 | PinkBunny | it surely will dissapoint all 5 debian users who have such "_ |
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| 07:14.25 | snail | is the new version of glade-doc-2 b0rked for anyone else? |
| 07:15.04 | chealer | PinkBunny: such what? |
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| 07:16.41 | PinkBunny | m68k and arm :) |
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| 07:18.32 | drago | in the kernel |
| 07:18.37 | drago | /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.21-bf2.4 |
| 07:18.42 | try_catch_this | There was a guy inhere the other day giving me help with getting my winmodem to work |
| 07:18.44 | drago | wher is the config file |
| 07:18.56 | drago | i need to use it for the new kernal |
| 07:18.58 | try_catch_this | I am back to say thanks if he is here |
| 07:19.04 | Guerin | !info kde testing |
| 07:19.22 | Guerin | snail: nope, the kde metapackage still ain't there. |
| 07:19.24 | chealer | PinkBunny: ah ok :) I must admit I really don't know what's arm :) |
| 07:19.35 | MerlinCorey | chealer: a processor type... |
| 07:19.39 | MerlinCorey | iirc |
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| 07:19.57 | codebreaker | what does it mean when postfix is telling me on the daily pflogsum report that 5 messages are deffered, and at the end mailqeue is empty? are all deffered mails delivered or lost? |
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| 07:20.19 | chealer | MerlinCorey: yeah...that's what you get from the context but I couldn't say like one model |
| 07:20.20 | Guerin | codebreaker: ask #postfix |
| 07:20.37 | codebreaker | Guerin: ok |
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| 07:20.58 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: haha, that's a classic. |
| 07:21.08 | chealer | !info zope |
| 07:21.11 | drago | chealer <drago> in the kernel vmlinuz-2.4.21-bf2.4 wher is the config file ? |
| 07:21.14 | Guerin | MerlinCorey: what you have to do is get her to dump the two aliases for the real you. |
| 07:21.14 | dpkg | zope: (Open Source Web Application Server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.6.4-1.5 (sid), Packaged size: 2562 kB, Installed size: 13868 kB |
| 07:21.36 | snail | Guerin: i just did an upgrade and it worked, i guess I'm not seeing the problem since i already have the stuff installed. |
| 07:22.26 | chealer | drago: the config file of your kernel? man I'm compiling my kernel for the first time at the moment so don't ask me |
| 07:22.37 | drago | :) |
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| 07:22.55 | Guerin | snail: yeah, well, the bug's still open. |
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| 07:23.09 | chealer | in the howto I'm following two of the links are kinda broken or moved. two links about kernel compilation so I'll keep all the luck for me |
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| 07:23.45 | ed0n | I want to install debian sarge(testing) in my machine from the internet, I thought if I have to do anything with sources.list or the installer should do the work and install all the things I need from internet. I downloaded sarge-i386-netinst.iso which I hope should be the right iso. |
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| 07:24.28 | peterS | ed0n: sounds about right |
| 07:24.31 | shantanoo | hi! |
| 07:24.36 | Guerin | ed0n: I already told you you're good to go. |
| 07:24.44 | Guerin | ed0n: what are you waiting for? |
| 07:24.53 | ed0n | Guerin, I am burning the iso :) |
| 07:24.59 | shantanoo | i am trying to install xine. |
| 07:25.04 | shantanoo | Unpacking libxv1 (from .../libxv1_4.3.0.dfsg.1-4_i386.deb) ... |
| 07:25.07 | shantanoo | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0.dfsg.1-4_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 07:25.07 | shantanoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.07 | shantanoo | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 07:25.07 | shantanoo | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 07:25.07 | shantanoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.07 | dpkg | You are moron #997, shantanoo |
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| 07:25.23 | opqdonut | ed0n: you started burning and *then* you ask whether your iso is right? |
| 07:25.24 | ed0n | Guerin, you asked me if I wanted to install kde I said that gnome is my choice that was when my connection timed out |
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| 07:25.35 | Guerin | ed0n: ah, ok. |
| 07:25.45 | Guerin | ed0n: gnome shouild be fine. KDE in sarge is busted. |
| 07:26.19 | Guerin | !topicsmite shantanoo |
| 07:26.20 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon shantanoo. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 07:26.31 | Guerin | shantanoo: especially the bit about flooding |
| 07:26.47 | shantanoo | oops |
| 07:26.48 | shantanoo | sorry |
| 07:26.54 | ed0n | Guerin, so I don't have to care about sources.list the installer should do all these things for me all I have to do is answer questions? |
| 07:27.15 | Guerin | ed0n: yes. And if you don't know the answer, the default should be safe. |
| 07:27.22 | shantanoo | well, how can i overcome the prob. |
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| 07:27.43 | ed0n | Guerin, thank you |
| 07:27.53 | Guerin | shantanoo: you should install that package with dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0.dfsg.1-4_i386.deb |
| 07:27.54 | ed0n | rebooting into the cd now |
| 07:28.04 | Guerin | ed0n: good luck :P |
| 07:28.05 | chealer | !help topicsmite |
| 07:28.38 | shantanoo | ok. will try that |
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| 07:29.06 | chealer | drago: check in /etc maybe. I have kernel-img.conf, kernel-pkg.conf |
| 07:29.10 | Guerin | shantanoo: it's errorring because a file it's trying to install is owned by another package; you need to tell it to overwrite that file anyway. |
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| 07:29.18 | drago | chealer i find it |
| 07:29.24 | drago | ./boot |
| 07:29.34 | Guerin | !dict huch |
| 07:29.36 | dpkg | could not find definition for huch |
| 07:29.39 | shantanoo | Guerin, i tried 'apt-get inatall -f --force-yes' |
| 07:29.50 | Guerin | shantanoo: that shouldn't work |
| 07:30.06 | shantanoo | why? |
| 07:30.38 | Guerin | shantanoo: well, did it? It shouldn't because --force-yes answers yes to anything which gives you a choice - and this error doesn't. |
| 07:30.53 | shantanoo | oh. thanks. :) |
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| 07:35.18 | holycow | http://www.confederate.com/con_web/home/machine/hellcat.html <-- wow |
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| 07:36.54 | suzzi | hay everyone |
| 07:38.43 | snail | holycow: they don't seem to give a price... |
| 07:38.49 | suzzi | any one know where aptitude keeps a list of all the packages to be installed? or is a good way to clear out the packages that are listed to be installed??? |
| 07:38.49 | snail | suzzi: hello |
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| 07:38.55 | suzzi | hi snail |
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| 07:39.05 | holycow | snail, i bet its outta my range whatever price it is :/ |
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| 07:39.18 | suzzi | holycow: what are you planning to buy me? |
| 07:39.32 | snail | suzzi: try "dpkg -l" to list installed packages |
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| 07:43.52 | Crasp | any of you know whether an athlon-xp barton has sse or sse2? |
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| 07:44.22 | suzzi | snail: well i was hopeing to get aptitude to 'forget' what packages i have listed for install. |
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| 07:45.50 | suzzi | currently it looks like i would have to uninstall things and then reinstall but that doesnt seem like the best way to go about things |
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| 07:46.07 | Fall | evening all |
| 07:46.41 | suzzi | hay Fall |
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| 07:47.32 | snail | suzzi: hmm, are you upgrading to sarge? |
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| 07:48.37 | snail | suzzi: almost certain what this means is that the old packages and the new packages have different configuration files that will confuse each other |
| 07:48.51 | suzzi | snail: no but aparently the dependancies for kismit differ from aptitude and apt-get... via aptitude there are alot of x dependancies that are unnessassary as i am not running X |
| 07:49.24 | suzzi | snail: though i am tracking testing, dont know if that changes things? |
| 07:49.31 | holycow | http://www.confederate.com/con_web/home/wraith/prototype/proto.html# <-- wow again |
| 07:49.47 | Guerin | !punish php for spitting "document contains no data" errors |
| 07:50.12 | snail | suzzi: i did a clean reinstall for sarge. it wiped /etc clear of my early mistakes |
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| 07:50.47 | Guerin | suzzi: are you sure aptitude isn't configured to get recommends and suggests as well? |
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| 07:52.41 | suzzi | Guerin: that might be a posibility... let me check |
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| 07:56.05 | suzzi | Guerin: ding ding we have a winner |
| 07:56.14 | suzzi | Guerin: thanks so much for clearing that up |
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| 07:56.57 | suzzi | now what should i do with that 10M that will be freed up ???? |
| 07:56.58 | Guerin | suzzi: brilliant choice for a default set of options, that. |
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| 08:01.24 | chass | is there a debian way to install the j2re? |
| 08:01.53 | Guerin | !get-blackdown |
| 08:01.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, get-blackdown is go to http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/mirrors.html, pick a mirror, add <mirror-url>/debian <release> main non-free, (where <release> is your release (stable, testing, unstable)) to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 08:02.29 | zakame | ehlo |
| 08:02.32 | zakame | wazup? |
| 08:02.43 | chass | Guerin, thanks |
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| 08:05.55 | zakame | heh |
| 08:07.12 | cef | Guerin: pity blackdown is sooooo out of date |
| 08:07.52 | Guerin | cef: it is? Oh well. I hear anyone who does anything serious with java uses the packages from sun anyway. |
| 08:07.58 | sum_1 | chass, the way i did it is: go to http://z42.de/debian get http://z42.de/debian/j2se-package_0.9_all.deb and http://z42.de/debian/sun-j2re1.4debian_0.9_all.deb |
| 08:08.36 | cef | Guerin: yeah.. there is a wrapper that takes the offical sun release and wraps it in a .deb |
| 08:08.54 | sum_1 | chass, then go ot http://java.com and get the linux self-extracting bin |
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| 08:09.27 | sum_1 | chass, j2sepackage from z42 can be run to make a deb from the bin |
| 08:09.38 | snail | Guerin: the free java stuff is looking pretty good... |
| 08:09.49 | genXSuperBo | I have a prob with my mouse in xserver, I am quite sure it has to do with my screen settings because it started when i tried to change the resolution on my screen |
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| 08:09.53 | Kaiowa | how could i redirect a email user to another user in sendmail?? |
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| 08:10.18 | genXSuperBo | mouse works in textmode but is frozen in the gui |
| 08:10.20 | Guerin | snail: yeah, when the free implementations are shit-hot maybe I'll start caring about java. |
| 08:11.00 | snail | Guerin: i use java as a better c++, none of this network stuff or GUI stuff and all that works fine in the free version |
| 08:11.21 | cef | !dfind mpkg-j2se |
| 08:11.25 | dpkg | mpkg-j2se: (A utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.10 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 57 kB |
| 08:11.30 | snail | but the java GUIs need network, GUI and so forth... |
| 08:12.49 | genXSuperBo | I have a prob with my mouse in xserver, I am quite sure it has to do with my screen settings because it started when i tried to change the resolution on my screen, it works in text mode but not in the guid.. |
| 08:12.55 | genXSuperBo | any ideas? |
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| 08:14.12 | snail | genXSuperBo: have you checked the log files for error messages from X? |
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| 08:15.03 | snail | the x screen resolutions and the x mouse settings are set in the same file, so you may have broken one setting the other |
| 08:15.13 | Guerin | genXSuperBo: sounds like an issue between gpm and X mouse handling to me. I know nothing about gpm though, so all I can tell you to do is disable it. |
| 08:15.26 | Guerin | genXSuperBo: which isn't really much of an answer. |
| 08:15.32 | genXSuperBo | :) |
| 08:15.48 | zakame | is it possible to run mozilla on 64mb ram? |
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| 08:15.55 | genXSuperBo | snail: no... I dont know where to find it *blush* |
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| 08:16.11 | cahoot | zakame: run is strecthing it |
| 08:16.18 | Guerin | zakame: anything's possible... |
| 08:16.23 | Guerin | walk miught be a better word |
| 08:16.25 | snail | zakame: sure, but you may have to strip it down |
| 08:16.30 | genXSuperBo | I am guessing the screen resolutions and mousesettings are both the the XF86Config file |
| 08:16.43 | Guerin | zakame: what's potentially more important is your choice of window manager |
| 08:16.46 | genXSuperBo | And i cant find anything wrong there, I will see if i can find the log |
| 08:17.18 | zakame | Guerin: right now i'm in a public hardline, with twm... |
| 08:17.49 | Guerin | zakame: if you don't need mail or calendaring, etc, use firefox instead |
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| 08:18.09 | zakame | Guerin: I don't have firefox... :( |
| 08:18.33 | snail | zakame: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
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| 08:19.12 | zakame | snail: sure, but like i said, i'm on a pub box, no apt-get... |
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| 08:22.00 | genXSuperBo | snail: where can i find the log from X? |
| 08:22.24 | baka03 | genXSuperBo /var/log/XFree86.x.log |
| 08:22.37 | simonrvn | genXSuperBo: /var/log |
| 08:22.46 | genXSuperBo | thanks :) |
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| 08:26.32 | genXSuperBo | I am getting a (WW) NV(0): config file vrefresh range 50-70Hz not within DCC vrefresh range 56-76Hz |
| 08:26.36 | zakame | forget it... got dillo working instead... |
| 08:27.59 | pirre | zakame: for one second, I thought you said 'dildo' |
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| 08:28.33 | zakame | pirre: hehe that's a good one... actually, i did misspell it as such ;P |
| 08:29.01 | Guerin | genXSuperBo: well, it's not, is it. |
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| 08:29.57 | destr0 | how do you install something to start/stop at boot time again? |
| 08:30.02 | destr0 | I can't remember the command |
| 08:30.08 | Guerin | destr0: update-rc.d |
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| 08:30.13 | Guerin | destr0: or rcconf |
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| 08:30.28 | genXSuperBo | Guerin: its not what? |
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| 08:31.20 | Guerin | genXSuperBo: 50 < 56 |
| 08:31.54 | genXSuperBo | Guerin: Yeah, ill see if changing to 56-76 in the XF86Config |
| 08:32.24 | destr0 | Guerin: thanks |
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| 08:34.36 | zakame | hehe |
| 08:34.47 | zakame | bye all |
| 08:36.11 | BadFriday | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:36.25 | BadFriday | when loging in as non-root |
| 08:36.57 | Weeble | you need to add that user to the audio group to use it |
| 08:37.32 | BadFriday | weeble: swe@Lnx91370:~$ id |
| 08:37.51 | BadFriday | Weeble: uid=1000(swe) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),29(audio) |
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| 08:39.06 | cahoot | BadFriday: what does 'ls -la /dev/dsp' give? |
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| 08:40.08 | BadFriday | cahoot: crwxr-xr-x 1 root audio 14, 3 Mar 14 2002 /dev/dsp |
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| 08:41.08 | cyberyo | io |
| 08:41.11 | cahoot | BadFriday: see - only root has write perms |
| 08:41.41 | destr0 | after you edit inetd.conf do you need to restart it? |
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| 08:42.35 | BadFriday | <cahoot: 'll try this |
| 08:42.39 | BadFriday | bye |
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| 08:48.41 | BadFriday | cahoot: did we speak together regarding the /dev/dsp problem? |
| 08:48.53 | cahoot | BadFriday: yes |
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| 08:49.38 | chealer | destr0: most likely |
| 08:50.02 | baka03 | off topic: for the sysadmins in here http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/30/1093717911943.html |
| 08:50.04 | BadFriday | cahoot: so then thanks. it works now. |
| 08:50.08 | amorphix | is it possible to run Apache 2 on stable Debian? |
| 08:50.26 | Guerin | amorphix: only if you find a backport - but I wouldn't bother. |
| 08:50.36 | cahoot | BadFriday: ah, ok |
| 08:50.49 | Guerin | amorphix: you could compile it yourself, but there's bound to be a ton of deps for it as well. |
| 08:51.29 | BadFriday | got Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display |
| 08:51.32 | amorphix | :-/ |
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| 08:52.01 | cahoot | BadFriday: runnig xapp as root on users xserver? |
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| 08:52.15 | prysm | hi all |
| 08:52.16 | BadFriday | after a su to a non-root user and trying to start a X-app |
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| 08:52.33 | amorphix | I'm not even going to go there |
| 08:52.36 | cahoot | BadFriday: do not run x as root |
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| 08:53.27 | prysm | what is the difference between kernel-image-2.4-686 and kernel-image-2.4.26-1-686? |
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| 08:53.32 | BadFriday | cahoot: I didn't. i su from non-root to an other non-root |
| 08:53.51 | amorphix | prsysm: 26-1 |
| 08:54.00 | cahoot | BadFriday: ok - look at sux |
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| 08:54.55 | BadFriday | cahoot: what's that? no man, no apropos for sux |
| 08:55.01 | Crasp | hmm.. i have installed mplayer from source (with creating a deb package) and installed mozilla-mplayer, yet, firefox doesn't show the plugin when using about:plugins, neither does it when i try installing mozplugger and see if that one is on the list |
| 08:55.15 | Crasp | anybody ever ran into this problem as well? |
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| 08:56.04 | cahoot | BadFriday: apt-cache search sux |
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| 08:58.10 | BadFriday | cahoot: thanks. 'll try this too. |
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| 08:58.57 | cahoot | BadFriday: I think you'll have great use of 'debian reference' |
| 08:59.49 | gomer | re |
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| 09:00.32 | potemkin | prysm: apt-cache show kernel-image-2.4-686. It always point to the most recent 2.4. kernel |
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| 09:02.30 | prysm | potemkin: what I mean is...I am used to compiling kernel images myself when I was in slackware with debian I have the option to simply apt-get the kernel image |
| 09:02.59 | BadFriday | bye all |
| 09:03.02 | prysm | ...But I dont know what is the diff between the two package |
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| 09:03.16 | prysm | do I need to install both? |
| 09:03.18 | chass | hmm i installed the j2re but it doesn't want to run .jar files |
| 09:03.22 | bradhicks | Speaking of compiling kernels ... do I really have to rebuild my kernel to use the official nvidia driver instead of nv? |
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| 09:03.38 | rpetre | bradhicks: no |
| 09:03.41 | gomer | no |
| 09:03.46 | gomer | download the binary driver |
| 09:04.01 | potemkin | prysm: read what I said. Do an apt-cache show kernel-image-2.4-686 |
| 09:04.01 | gomer | it compiles itself according to your kernel config |
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| 09:04.14 | prysm | ah ok :) |
| 09:04.16 | Shorty` | xmms is being so dicky :/ |
| 09:04.25 | bradhicks | the .run file from the web page? Got it. I thought its help says that it also has to compile the kernel? |
| 09:05.02 | rpetre | kernel _module_ |
| 09:05.20 | prysm | does that mean I need to apt-get both package? |
| 09:05.41 | bradhicks | gomer, can you point me to a good howto that's up to date, something I can print out? |
| 09:06.37 | rpetre | bradhicks: it's mothing, really, just run that file, it's self-explanatory |
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| 09:06.46 | rpetre | s/moth/noth/ |
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| 09:07.03 | bradhicks | sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-6111-pkg1.run? |
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| 09:07.15 | gomer | bradhicks: sorry, dunno. but you only need to run the binary |
| 09:07.30 | gomer | and enter the nvidia-driver in xour x-config |
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| 09:08.05 | garrett | bradhicks, yes, that will run the binary |
| 09:08.10 | garrett | bradhicks, but you must be root |
| 09:08.13 | chass | shit. blackdown java is only up to versoin 1.3 on testing |
| 09:08.30 | Crasp | get a different mirror than |
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| 09:08.45 | Crasp | unofficial |
| 09:09.10 | potemkin | prysm: just install the 2.4-686, apt will handle it for you |
| 09:09.48 | chass | Crasp, i can't seem to find one. any ideas? |
| 09:09.49 | bradhicks | Wish me luck, then. Thanks. |
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| 09:10.02 | Crasp | chass: i use jopa.studentenweb.org i think |
| 09:11.36 | Crasp | deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./ |
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| 09:12.39 | prysm | potemkin: tnx...another question...I read somewhere that I need to get some debian patches in order to comile my own kernel is this true? |
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| 09:13.11 | superflea | prysm: sort of |
| 09:13.14 | prysm | I was able to compile my kernel on my desktop. But my laptop keeps crashing |
| 09:14.05 | superflea | prysm: it depends where you get the kernel from and whether you want to use dpkg to handle it |
| 09:14.11 | chass | Crasp, trying it out. thanks |
| 09:14.26 | chass | 27 mb download for j2re?? wow |
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| 09:14.53 | prysm | superflea: I use the same ones I use with slackware I get it from kernel.org |
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| 09:15.11 | prysm | it didn't give any problems when I am in slackware |
| 09:15.32 | cef | chass: other option is mpkg-j2se |
| 09:15.34 | cef | !dfind mpkg-j2se |
| 09:15.38 | dpkg | mpkg-j2se: (A utility for building Java(TM) 2 related Debian packages), section misc, is optional. Version: 0.10 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 57 kB |
| 09:15.46 | superflea | prysm: I'm using the kernel.org source as well, and installing the kernel directly. I believe you only need deb patches if you want to make your own kernel debs |
| 09:15.46 | Guerin | prysm: you can compile a plain kernel.org kernel, and it'll run just fine in debian. |
| 09:15.59 | chass | cef; thanks |
| 09:16.17 | Shorty` | is there any SATA support in 2.4.x? |
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| 09:16.37 | prysm | superflea: I see ... so I gues I just made some mistake with one of make menuoptions |
| 09:16.49 | superflea | prysm: could be |
| 09:16.51 | cef | Shorty`: yes. In Debian Woody? no, not by default. |
| 09:17.19 | prysm | superflea: tnx |
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| 09:18.12 | cef | Shorty`: from about 2.4.25+ I think.... current 2.4 kernel is 2.4.27 |
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| 09:19.48 | genXSuperBo | I still cant get my mouse working, It works in textmode, but not in X, The X logfile only showed one warning and i fixed that one, but still no mouse |
| 09:20.15 | TBBle | That's weird... My ip6 reverse-DNS didn't take... >_< |
| 09:20.19 | cef | so your using it in text mode.. in other words, with gpm? |
| 09:20.19 | genXSuperBo | I get a weird error tho when I try to open XF86Config with vim, it says there is already an open copy of XF86Config.swap |
| 09:20.49 | genXSuperBo | cef: me? |
| 09:20.55 | MadMike | genX: it means that your vim crashed and that it found the previous swap file |
| 09:20.56 | aboukensy | hey guys.. A few questions... first off I recompiled my kernel and now my usb mouse doens't work.. I thought I compiled everything that it needs in there though |
| 09:21.21 | genXSuperBo | MadMike: just Repair then? |
| 09:21.22 | snail | aboukensy: something depend on modules being loaded |
| 09:21.26 | MadMike | or maybe that you allreday got a vim instance running |
| 09:21.27 | cef | genXSuperBo: yes you.. gpm is the text mode mouse stuff |
| 09:21.45 | genXSuperBo | ok.. |
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| 09:21.58 | aboukensy | snail: I don't usually like using modules. I just * what I need |
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| 09:22.08 | genXSuperBo | I usually work in X |
| 09:22.19 | genXSuperBo | but now that my mouse dont work there, I kinda have to use text :( |
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| 09:22.43 | MadMike | vi or vim isnt easy, but works great once you know its way |
| 09:23.19 | MadMike | best way to learn it is with the vi O'Really book |
| 09:23.24 | genXSuperBo | Anyone have any ideas on why my mouse is not working? it stopped working after I installed the nvidia grapdrivers |
| 09:23.48 | genXSuperBo | I used the nvidia uninstaller and i put the old settings back |
| 09:23.51 | genXSuperBo | but it still dont work |
| 09:24.26 | cef | you need to change the mouse setup.. read the stuff dpkg just told you, it should help |
| 09:24.40 | robink | What's the name of the package that allows you to build a kernel into a .deb file? |
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| 09:24.57 | dolphin | hello |
| 09:24.57 | aboukensy | okay.. well then to my next question.. I can play sound with root but not the user.. why is that? my user is in /etc/group audio section What else do I need to do? |
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| 09:25.16 | genXSuperBo | cef: thanks |
| 09:25.20 | genXSuperBo | MadMike: thanks |
| 09:25.32 | dolphin | does somebody know if the amd64 port (unstable) sid-amd64-netinst.iso has got forcedeth gigabyte patch? |
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| 09:25.47 | cef | aboukensy: log out, then log back in again.. group permission changes only take effect at login |
| 09:25.52 | dolphin | so nForce3-250GB would work? |
| 09:26.00 | MadMike | robink: kernel-package |
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| 09:26.07 | aboukensy | cef: but it has been in there for a long time, I didn't change it |
| 09:26.17 | robink | MadMike: Thanks :) |
| 09:26.23 | cef | aboukensy: ok.. sorry thought you'd just changed it |
| 09:26.29 | MadMike | ur welcome ;) |
| 09:26.31 | cef | aboukensy: are you using alsa or oss ? |
| 09:26.38 | aboukensy | alsa |
| 09:26.45 | aboukensy | I think |
| 09:26.48 | cef | aboukensy: using a debian kernel? |
| 09:27.06 | aboukensy | no, one obtained from www.kernel.org |
| 09:27.26 | cef | aboukensy: ahh ok.. did you compile the oss drivers for that at all? |
| 09:27.47 | aboukensy | I am using alsa though |
| 09:28.16 | cef | aboukensy: yeah, but if the oss drivers are loaded (and hotplug or discover will load them automatically) then alsa stops working |
| 09:28.36 | aboukensy | then why would it work with root? |
| 09:29.03 | cef | aboukensy: ok... never mind me.. |
| 09:29.15 | MadMike | maybe ARTs is part of the problem/sollution? |
| 09:29.25 | cahoot | aboukensy: user not in audio group? |
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| 09:29.29 | Crasp | afaik arts is always the problem :) |
| 09:29.35 | aboukensy | cahoot yes it is |
| 09:29.37 | MadMike | no expert at it thugh... lol |
| 09:29.38 | cef | actually yeah.. arts |
| 09:29.49 | cef | or esd |
| 09:30.07 | genXSuperBo | Erm I dont seem to have a /etc/gpm.conf file |
| 09:30.08 | aboukensy | cahoot: it is in there and has been in there for a while |
| 09:30.40 | cahoot | aboukensy: yes, sorry, scrolled up now |
| 09:30.51 | cef | genXSuperBo: then how do you have a mouse in text mode? that's weird |
| 09:30.58 | genXSuperBo | I have a /etc/gpm-root.conf |
| 09:31.06 | robink | next up, gmailfs :) |
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| 09:31.11 | cef | aha! |
| 09:31.15 | zimnyx | hello |
| 09:31.16 | zimnyx | do you think it's good idea to compile kernel using gcc-3.4 instead of 3.3 ? |
| 09:31.20 | aboukensy | hmmm.. I love gmailfs |
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| 09:31.37 | robink | aboukensy: It's purely a 'fetish' thing for me. |
| 09:31.49 | aboukensy | hehe yes |
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| 09:31.59 | cef | robink: hehe.. i was thinking of using gmailfs with like the 6 invites I've got sitting around.. and making a raid 5 array & using dm-crypt |
| 09:32.06 | aboukensy | eventaully we can have our home directory there, so we keep settings wherever we go (: |
| 09:32.10 | cahoot | aboukensy: checked the perms on /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp0? |
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| 09:32.34 | robink | aboukensy: I could have NFS access to a nice system w/ close to a few hundred gigs free :) |
| 09:32.45 | robink | cef: Hehe |
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| 09:33.01 | robink | cef: I don't think you can split a gmail setup that way. |
| 09:33.04 | cef | robink: can't be arsed at the moment though.. too much other junk to do |
| 09:33.24 | robink | cef: You could, but it'd have to be abstracted at a lower level, which would be tremendously slow.... |
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| 09:33.28 | aboukensy | perms of dsp is crw-rw: root audio |
| 09:33.32 | cef | robink: gmailfs can support multiple partitions per account.. |
| 09:33.47 | robink | cef: But I doubt the reverse is true. |
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| 09:33.53 | aboukensy | is that fine? or do I need to 666 IT? |
| 09:33.56 | cef | robink: and since I have 6 invites, I could set up 6 accounts.. |
| 09:34.00 | perror | hello, i got a problem with printing |
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| 09:34.18 | blue_sky | can anyone tell me what this means: symbol _dl_global_scope, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file ld-linux.so.2 with link time reference |
| 09:34.23 | perror | how can i do the following: i want to print all files in the dir except X,Y and Z. so how do i realize this: lpr ./* \X;Y;Z\ <--- i need sth like that... this "exept" i need |
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| 09:34.37 | robink | cef: I get the idea, it's just that you're trying to get a fs driver to do something that normally happens at the BIO layer... |
| 09:34.54 | robink | s/trying/wanting/ |
| 09:35.06 | cef | robink: true.. but hey.. it'd be fun.. *grin* |
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| 09:35.39 | aboukensy | hmm.. chmod 666 /dev/dsp* didn't work |
| 09:35.49 | cef | robink: just use a single empty file in each account as the partition |
| 09:35.51 | aboukensy | hoep I didn't just screw up some permissions |
| 09:36.09 | blue_sky | aboukensy: are you a member of the audio group? |
| 09:36.12 | cef | robink: loop filesystems are useful like that |
| 09:36.15 | genXSuperBo | I can do a /etc/init.d/gpm restart, but no, I dont find a gpm.conf in the /etc Folder |
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| 09:36.25 | robink | cef: Jebus, that'd be scary :) |
| 09:36.36 | aboukensy | blue_sky: yes I am |
| 09:37.00 | perror | nobody knows how i can express this "except" in the bash ? |
| 09:37.08 | MadMike | aboukensy, did you check yr mixer settings? |
| 09:37.14 | cef | robink: heh.. 1 gig empty file per account, each one used as the basis for an md personality, and then using dm-crypt on top to get encryption |
| 09:37.16 | aboukensy | yes.. mixer is fine |
| 09:37.32 | aboukensy | works perfect I can even change mixer settings as a user |
| 09:37.38 | robink | cef: ...haha :) |
| 09:37.44 | aboukensy | and it works, as long as the audio goes through root |
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| 09:37.59 | robink | cef: If I were to do that, I'd net like at least 80 gmail invites and make a real backup system :) |
| 09:38.07 | blue_sky | aboukensy: did you log out and back in after adding yourself to the audio group? |
| 09:38.08 | robink | cef: Hell, I'd *use* that if I had no other option :) |
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| 09:38.27 | aboukensy | blue_sky: I didn't add myself, I was already in the group |
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| 09:38.35 | cef | robink: heh.. well the accounts get given invites all the time.. *grin* as long as you can grow the fs, you'll be fine! |
| 09:38.38 | robink | cef: There's money to be made here :) |
| 09:39.50 | cef | robink: heh.. and since I run a few domains, I can create as many uniquie email accounts to send invites to as I like. *grin* |
| 09:39.52 | potemkin | cef: obviously you would mount your home off that fs, and create a Maildir for safely storing your email :) |
| 09:40.37 | cef | potemkin: actually I'm more interested in using it as off-site redundant backup |
| 09:40.38 | aboukensy | okay.. well I will figure that out later then.. on to the next question... how to I keep my mixer settings after logging out/rebooting etc.. |
| 09:40.39 | aboukensy | ? |
| 09:41.02 | cahoot | aboukensy: alsactl sore/restore |
| 09:41.02 | cef | aboukensy: oh crap.. unmute the mixer! |
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| 09:41.11 | cahoot | aboukensy: alsactl store/restore |
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| 09:41.21 | cef | alsa mutes all channels by default |
| 09:41.45 | aboukensy | cef: unmute?? |
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| 09:41.53 | aboukensy | okay how do I do that? |
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| 09:42.15 | cahoot | cef: if root has sound it must be unmuted - not? |
| 09:42.25 | cef | aboukensy: check the mixer settings.. it may have a button for mute. untick it, or select it, or something |
| 09:42.38 | aboukensy | naugh.. it doesn't I am using rexima |
| 09:42.51 | cef | cahoot: yeah probably.. hrm |
| 09:42.55 | foxcokk | ok this is a weird question, but its important. I have an amd64 and my cpu just fell of of the cpu. i have the computer laying on its side now... the finger things on the socket broke so the cpu wont stay on... does anyonw know a place that sells replacement moutning bracket things? |
| 09:43.08 | cef | aboukensy: what are you using to play sound? |
| 09:43.08 | foxcokk | my cpu heatsink just feel off of the cpu* |
| 09:43.10 | trogger | aboukensy: try alsamixer |
| 09:43.35 | cef | foxcokk: ouch! |
| 09:43.37 | foxcokk | ok wow i typed that really wrong... let me redo it. |
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| 09:44.04 | foxcokk | ok this is a weird question, but its important. I have an amd64 and my heatsink just fell of of the cpu. i have the computer laying on its side now... the finger things on the socket broke so the heatsink wont stay on... does anyonw know a place that sells replacement moutning bracket things? |
| 09:44.08 | aboukensy | when I do an "aptitude install alsamixer" it syas it isn't there |
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| 09:44.30 | cahoot | aboukensy: alsamixer-gui? |
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| 09:44.34 | foxcokk | cef: do u know what they are called? like... brackets? |
| 09:44.34 | snail | try apt-cache search alsamixer |
| 09:44.43 | TBBle | foxcokk: That's an AMD64 question. Debian doesn't officially have an AMD64 portyet. ^_^ (J/K) |
| 09:44.47 | aboukensy | oh is it gui? |
| 09:44.48 | snail | gnome-alsamixer - ALSA sound mixer for GNOME |
| 09:44.51 | rajasun | aboukensy: alsamixergui |
| 09:45.03 | foxcokk | TBBle: lol. well do u know a place that sells them? |
| 09:45.04 | cef | foxcokk: you can get heatsink brackets that actually screw to the motherboard rather than clip on the zero insertion force socket. if the ZIF socket is broken, this is about your only option |
| 09:45.09 | TBBle | alsamixer for console comes in alsa-base doesn't it? |
| 09:45.28 | trogger | TBBle: yeah, that's what I thought. |
| 09:45.34 | foxcokk | i know that u can replace these. its not part of the ZIF, its its own little contraption |
| 09:45.36 | trogger | ah do it as root. /sbin/alsamixer |
| 09:45.50 | trogger | ok not /sbin |
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| 09:46.03 | cef | foxcokk: probably just have to buy another heatsink kit |
| 09:46.10 | blue_sky | /usr/bin/alsamixer here |
| 09:46.11 | robink | Is using the kernel-supplied ALSA drivers a bad idea? |
| 09:46.11 | foxcokk | it isnt part of the kit tho |
| 09:46.14 | holycow | http://linitx.com <-- neato site |
| 09:46.28 | foxcokk | it just snaps on and off of the motherboard |
| 09:46.29 | TBBle | /usr/bin/alsamixer belongs to alsa-utils |
| 09:46.29 | cef | robink: I use them fine without an issue |
| 09:46.31 | rajasun | aboukensy: # apt-cache search alsamixergui |
| 09:46.31 | rajasun | alsamixergui - graphical soundcard mixer for ALSA soundcard driver |
| 09:46.33 | cahoot | robink: no |
| 09:46.43 | TBBle | There's a bot-command you can use here to look that stuff up, but I don't know it. |
| 09:46.45 | robink | cef, cahoot: ah I feel much better :) |
| 09:46.48 | b0ef | I got vsftpd-2.0.1 running and it takes about 15 seconds to display a login - I've looked in the config file and xinetd.conf but there seemd to be no way to adjust this. I ping the host in 30 ms. I see the request with tcpdump immediately, but vsftpd is not sending a reply before nearly 20 seconds. This does not happen with local logins. Anybody know what causes this? |
| 09:47.07 | aboukensy | ooh alsamixer is hot |
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| 09:47.26 | hsn | how can you invite chanserv to a channel , and you are not op ? |
| 09:47.37 | saloxin | b0ef: maybe it does a reverse dns lookup? add client machine to /etc/hosts |
| 09:47.41 | simonrvn | /msg chanserv help |
| 09:47.53 | receptor | speaking of audio... |
| 09:47.56 | hsn | simonrvn cant find :( |
| 09:48.06 | aboukensy | ok.. still no sound, but found an awsome new mixer |
| 09:48.17 | simonrvn | hsn: it probably opened in a new window... |
| 09:48.26 | receptor | anyone runnin teamspeak on debian or knoppix? |
| 09:48.27 | b0ef | saloxin: should'nt take that long time even if it does, but I'll try just to see |
| 09:48.49 | simonrvn | hsn: or if you,re using a crappy client it would have displayed in the channel you were in when you did it |
| 09:48.51 | cef | potemkin: of course, I'd use the crypted raid over files stored on gmailfs to store backups of my maildir's *grin* |
| 09:48.59 | trogger | receptor: yep I have had teamspeak running on debian |
| 09:49.09 | hsn | simonrvn i can read it , but nothing usefull |
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| 09:49.39 | cef | potemkin: need them to be local simply for the speed. loading a 90,000 msg maildir locally is slow enough |
| 09:49.41 | simonrvn | hmm, anyone know of a site where you can do various networky things like testing your IPs, and tracerouting them and such? no, NOT samspade.org |
| 09:49.42 | receptor | ts uses oss, right? |
| 09:49.47 | aboukensy | o I can do an alsamixer store to store the settings? |
| 09:49.56 | TBBle | cef: And do you mail daily /etc backups to yourself? |
| 09:50.02 | trogger | receptor: I've used it with alsa |
| 09:50.08 | simonrvn | hsn: you can refine the help further. keep reading |
| 09:50.10 | receptor | i hav problems opening my audio in full duplex |
| 09:50.13 | cef | TBBle: no, I'lm in lkml |
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| 09:50.20 | trogger | receptor: does your hardware support it? |
| 09:50.26 | cef | TBBle: erm, on lkml even |
| 09:50.28 | cahoot | aboukensy: alsactl store/restore |
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| 09:50.47 | receptor | yea, i hav dual boot and ts runs fine on win |
| 09:51.03 | saloxin | simonrvn: geektools.com |
| 09:51.12 | hsn | ok i find , /chanserv set guard |
| 09:51.15 | simonrvn | saloxin: danke |
| 09:51.21 | simonrvn | hsn: there ya go |
| 09:51.26 | cahoot | aboukensy: but that usually is handled by /etc/init.d/alsa |
| 09:51.37 | trogger | receptor: you're using oss?? |
| 09:51.42 | potemkin | cef: sure, if you want to be pragmatic about it, but you know as well as i do that coolness points are awarded for stacking layer upon layer in a totally silly way |
| 09:51.44 | receptor | yep |
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| 09:52.04 | snide | hi |
| 09:52.10 | aida-night | hi |
| 09:52.19 | receptor | is alsa better/different? |
| 09:52.25 | TBBle | Yes |
| 09:52.28 | az[a]zel | alsa = newer/better |
| 09:52.28 | debianist | yes |
| 09:52.35 | trogger | receptor: alsa better yes |
| 09:52.37 | aboukensy | cahoot: ok.. so my settings for sound will be saved anyway? |
| 09:52.42 | debianist | alsaconf = one type setup |
| 09:52.44 | receptor | see. must try it |
| 09:52.44 | debianist | :) |
| 09:52.44 | trogger | simonrvn: www.dnsstuff.com |
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| 09:52.54 | eim | Hello folks, I am currently evaluating to write a pyhton script called apt-sync which should allow an user to maintain the same packages on two different machines, e.g. workstation and laptop (Different Arch). Any ideas if such a tool already exists? Thanks. |
| 09:53.10 | aida-night | xmms = 51 megs of ram |
| 09:53.10 | cahoot | aboukensy: by default it should |
| 09:53.15 | aida-night | wholy poop |
| 09:53.38 | az[a]zel | my xmms has 7MB resident |
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| 09:53.52 | aida-night | I'm streaming shoutcast |
| 09:53.56 | az[a]zel | but only 1165 songs in the playlist |
| 09:54.08 | aida-night | that could be the reason |
| 09:54.24 | potemkin | az[a]zel, if alsa is best, why does sarge/d-i/2.6 's discover/modconf insist on doing oss, thus blocking alsa? |
| 09:54.25 | cahoot | az[a]zel: got a select taste for music |
| 09:54.45 | HydroSan | eim: I wouldn't mind that. But I'm not too 'into' the Debian community. Perhaps you should return at a later time. (It's currently 1AM-5AM across most of North America.) |
| 09:54.47 | aboukensy | ok.. the question that I always ask because I havn't found a good one yet.. Any suggestions towards a nice slick customizable file manager that doesn't have 10billion deps to it? |
| 09:54.48 | az[a]zel | potemkin, stuffed if I know, I don't use debian :D |
| 09:54.52 | servus | eim, dpkg -l | awk '{print $2;}' > apt-get-list on the host machine then apt-get install `cat apt-get-list` on the other machine |
| 09:54.52 | aboukensy | oh yeah.. stable too |
| 09:54.53 | servus | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:55.01 | potemkin | az[a]zel, ah :) |
| 09:55.03 | snide | i'm experiencing some trouble to install libsdl-dev (libsdl1.2-dev) from "testing", it complains about some dependency probs on xlibs-dev |
| 09:55.06 | az[a]zel | cahoot, well I like metal.. I don't have everything that I want |
| 09:55.16 | cahoot | aboukensy: filerunner |
| 09:55.25 | eim | HydroSan: Thanks for the note. Well I leave my post here, maybe someone reads the lastlogs. |
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| 09:55.36 | aida-night | aboukensy: nautilus rules :) it's pretty |
| 09:55.42 | aboukensy | is filerunner slick? |
| 09:55.50 | potemkin | TBBle, debianist; am I confused or does sarge still prefer oss? |
| 09:56.10 | aboukensy | nautilus has 10billion kde deps and I hate kde (: |
| 09:56.19 | eim | servus: Yes, this would be the basic mechanism. apt-sync should anyway keep care also of blacklisted packages. E.g. on PPC I don't need apm and viceversa un i386 not pmud. |
| 09:56.20 | aida-night | gnome not kde |
| 09:56.21 | az[a]zel | nautilus has nothing to do with KDE |
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| 09:56.34 | cahoot | aboukensy: wants tcl/tk - no pictures |
| 09:56.44 | aida-night | I don't hate kde... but I don't like it either |
| 09:56.52 | aida-night | if you take a look at kde.org |
| 09:56.54 | aida-night | and gnome.org |
| 09:56.56 | eim | servus: Furthermore I want to keep also track of package versions. |
| 09:57.00 | az[a]zel | KDE rox0rz j00 box0rz |
| 09:57.03 | saloxin | aboukensy: gentoo filemanager is powerfull |
| 09:57.09 | aida-night | from the main website interface you can quickly tell the difference between the two DE |
| 09:57.12 | az[a]zel | gentoo has a filemanager now? |
| 09:57.24 | servus | Well I was mostly joking, but dpkg -p should give you all the ifo you need, eim |
| 09:57.28 | saloxin | az[a]zel: apt-cache show gentoo |
| 09:57.32 | aboukensy | I don't really care about powerfull.. I will do most of my power stuff in console |
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| 09:57.41 | saloxin | slight namespace confusion |
| 09:57.42 | debianist | potemkin : certainly not |
| 09:57.43 | aboukensy | I just want a nice looking file manager when I feel lazy |
| 09:57.58 | aboukensy | that I don't have to clutter my system with |
| 09:58.01 | debianist | potemkin : alsa is the defacto now |
| 09:58.05 | paulliu | Why don't you like KDE? |
| 09:58.06 | rajasun | aboukensy: rox-snapshot |
| 09:58.11 | az[a]zel | saloxin, oh it has nothing to do with the gentoo project? |
| 09:58.18 | saloxin | az[a]zel: nope not afaik |
| 09:58.38 | aida-night | does anyone here use gnome?? |
| 09:58.49 | aida-night | or am I the only one |
| 09:58.50 | aida-night | heh |
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| 09:58.59 | cahoot | aboukensy: it's like giving marriage advice - tricky |
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| 09:59.16 | trogger | aida-night: I'm a gnome guy :) |
| 09:59.18 | rajasun | aida-night: you are not the only one |
| 09:59.19 | aboukensy | I don't like kde cuz it has always given me greif, and every program requires almost all of kde to be installed to use t |
| 09:59.33 | aida-night | cool :) |
| 09:59.39 | aboukensy | it even.. it was hard enough for me to put k3b on my system, but it is soo cool |
| 09:59.58 | potemkin | debianist, ok, thanks |
| 10:00.11 | aida-night | k3b belongs with kde |
| 10:00.15 | cef | simonrvn: another scanner is http://whacker9.hackerwhacker.com/freetools.php |
| 10:00.23 | aida-night | it suffers from the same userinterface flaws that kde does |
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| 10:00.30 | simonrvn | cef: kewlness, thanks |
| 10:00.38 | rajasun | gcdw is a Gnome-based burning app |
| 10:00.45 | az[a]zel | if gnome wasn't so ugly it'd be pretty good.. why don't they change the default theme/icons |
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| 10:00.59 | aboukensy | is rox-snapshot good? |
| 10:01.07 | aida-night | gnome == ugly ?? |
| 10:01.16 | aida-night | I should take screenshot |
| 10:01.21 | aida-night | but nowhere to post it |
| 10:01.25 | trogger | hey I have problems with pcmcia - I want to make a compact flash adapter work. dmesg doesn't mention /dev/where the flash card could be, but lshw can see some memory... how should I proceed? |
| 10:01.27 | aboukensy | whats the default gnome file manager? |
| 10:01.30 | trogger | aida-night: not a chance! |
| 10:01.32 | trogger | aboukensy: nautilus |
| 10:01.39 | aboukensy | and the kde one? |
| 10:01.39 | rajasun | what is so diff in going over to http://www.gnome-look.org/ or http://art.gnome.org download a few themes and changing the look and feel? |
| 10:01.47 | paulliu | default setting. gnome == ugly... |
| 10:01.58 | saloxin | aboukensy: konqueror |
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| 10:02.00 | mnemonic_ | can anyone tell me where I can find debian files for net install? |
| 10:02.06 | aida-night | the text and icons can look so beautiful in gnome |
| 10:02.11 | aida-night | if configured properly |
| 10:02.15 | rajasun | kde sucks big time...kiddish...gnome is far more polished and professional |
| 10:02.20 | saloxin | mnemonic_: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ <-- new sarge installer |
| 10:02.27 | aida-night | the text in particular is very well rendered |
| 10:02.29 | mnemonic_ | saloxin: thanks |
| 10:02.56 | saloxin | "proffesional" - bah. gconf-editor to change settings is evil |
| 10:03.00 | aboukensy | which one is better? (better looking and feel, and more stable) natellus or konquerer? |
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| 10:03.15 | az[a]zel | kde looks beautiful.. it's brighter and happier.. gnome is miserable and depressing |
| 10:03.22 | aida-night | khat k kont kike kabout kde kis kath kevery khing kstarts kith k |
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| 10:03.44 | az[a]zel | geverything gstarts gwith ga G gin GNOME |
| 10:03.57 | aida-night | that's not true ! |
| 10:04.03 | rajasun | kde looks like gutter to those who r true GNU/Linux folks not wondoze wannabes |
| 10:04.11 | TBBle | What the... Did someone jump me into #religion-gVk ? |
| 10:04.15 | saloxin | fluxbox! |
| 10:04.23 | TBBle | wmi! |
| 10:04.26 | az[a]zel | !start a wm war |
| 10:04.26 | dpkg | fluxbox bites! |
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| 10:04.27 | trogger | waimea! |
| 10:04.32 | aida-night | totem is not gotem |
| 10:04.36 | aida-night | there you go |
| 10:04.37 | az[a]zel | gcalc |
| 10:04.38 | Anders1 | twm. :P |
| 10:04.38 | az[a]zel | gedit |
| 10:04.39 | aboukensy | The kde/gnome file managers won't take over my desktop like some will it? |
| 10:04.43 | potemkin | fluxbox forever |
| 10:04.45 | receptor | vi! |
| 10:04.49 | VoX | what is the default debian news server called, and how do i remove it? |
| 10:04.54 | az[a]zel | gnome terminal, gimp, gnumeric |
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| 10:05.03 | aida-night | it's not gimps fault that it starts with g either |
| 10:05.06 | Anders1 | twm, xterm |
| 10:05.10 | aboukensy | I love fluxbox, but converted to xfce4 because of looks reasons |
| 10:05.10 | libpcap | console! |
| 10:05.14 | trogger | aida-night: ah but gimp uses gtk |
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| 10:05.25 | aida-night | yea that was my other point |
| 10:05.29 | aida-night | most popular apps use gtk |
| 10:05.32 | receptor | root console! |
| 10:05.36 | rajasun | so many stupid kde apps begins with the letter "k" anyway kdeit, kwrite, kpackage, etc |
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| 10:05.40 | aida-night | gaim, xmms, mozilla, firebird, openoffice |
| 10:05.42 | saloxin | trogger: gimp _created_ gtk |
| 10:05.45 | aida-night | gimp |
| 10:05.49 | Nic_ | hi all |
| 10:05.51 | potemkin | trogger, ethymologically that would be the other way around: Gimp Tool Kit |
| 10:06.03 | trogger | aboukensy: hmmm. what's the text like with xfce4? |
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| 10:06.05 | TBBle | VoX: No idea... What's listening on port 119? |
| 10:06.07 | aida-night | that makes the all fell integrated into gnome |
| 10:06.13 | trogger | ok I stand corrected on the gtk thing :) |
| 10:06.18 | Nic_ | well debian is funny, I had no troubles at all yesterday. now I boot the computer, all is ok, I try to launch X but it fails |
| 10:06.23 | VoX | tbble: no idea |
| 10:06.25 | Nic_ | I didn't change anything |
| 10:06.27 | aida-night | aboukensy: xfce4 rocks.. it's like a lite speedy gnome |
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| 10:06.33 | aboukensy | I think it looks real nice |
| 10:06.33 | aboukensy | xfce4 is beautiful and hella fast |
| 10:06.44 | aboukensy | bot quite* as fast as fluxbox, but well worth it |
| 10:06.47 | rajasun | aida-night: don't forget the streaming networking capability in gstreamer ;) |
| 10:06.47 | MadMike | i'm trying a: "make-kpkg kernel_image --revision=madmike.01" but i end up with a: "depmod: Can't open /usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image/lib/modules/extra/modules.dep for writing" any ideas? |
| 10:06.48 | az[a]zel | KDE 4 Eva |
| 10:06.50 | Nic_ | And I don't see any errors at all. It seems to work well as root, but it won't work as normal user |
| 10:07.10 | az[a]zel | some KDE apps use gstreamer, and is set to be the default multimedia library in KDE 4 |
| 10:07.21 | cahoot | MadMike: try make-kpkg clean first |
| 10:07.28 | saloxin | Nic_: grep EE /var/log/Xfree86.0.log |
| 10:07.43 | rajasun | wonder if gstreamer was originally meant for use on kde or was it originally written in qt ;) |
| 10:07.47 | Nic_ | saloxin: I told you I havent any errors |
| 10:07.54 | Nic_ | saloxin: did you actually read me? |
| 10:07.57 | debianist | rajasun : you said that right |
| 10:07.58 | MadMike | I did a: "make xconfig" then a "make-kpkg clean" before i ussed the last call |
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| 10:08.07 | az[a]zel | rajasun, it doesn't depend on gnome... only glib |
| 10:08.10 | saloxin | Nic_: works as normal user _> check which device it's using and it's permission |
| 10:08.12 | holycow | http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm <-- pretty good debian kernel compile tutorial |
| 10:08.13 | saloxin | Nic_: sort of. |
| 10:08.14 | rajasun | debianist: ;) |
| 10:08.19 | az[a]zel | rajasun, so it doesn't need to be tied to a desktop |
| 10:08.33 | Nic_ | saloxin: what sort of device? |
| 10:08.33 | rajasun | az[a]zel: gstreamer is meant for gnome originally dude ;) |
| 10:08.35 | debianist | nothing can compare with a minimalistic streamline, highly intuitive approach |
| 10:08.37 | TBBle | VoX: as root, netstat -anp |grep 119 will tell you. |
| 10:08.37 | aboukensy | they should make a standard x graphical package, and most the programs are writen in there... and it isn't related to any wm.. that would be good |
| 10:08.50 | rajasun | az[a]zel: come up wif your own and maybe ;) |
| 10:08.58 | MadMike | holycow: I've been reading every FM i could get.. I'll give it a shot |
| 10:09.12 | aida-night | is debian picking up X.org 2.6.8 ??? |
| 10:09.20 | aida-night | when it comes out that is |
| 10:09.23 | saloxin | Nic_: your guess is as good as mine.. group video perhaps |
| 10:09.24 | servus | I'm using 2.6.8 on Debian. |
| 10:09.25 | VoX | TBBle: danke |
| 10:09.29 | rajasun | aida-night: not for sometimes yet I'm afraid |
| 10:09.30 | az[a]zel | rajasun, bah, well they eventually came to their senses and realised having ONE multimedia backend would be better |
| 10:09.38 | holycow | MadMike, hope it helps |
| 10:09.42 | aboukensy | me to |
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| 10:09.55 | TBBle | I think X.org's X-tree is a long way down the TODO list for Debian's X team. |
| 10:09.58 | aida-night | are there debian packages??? |
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| 10:10.10 | aida-night | 2.6.8 is not released yet |
| 10:10.11 | rajasun | az[a]zel: I never ever trust a project that once used proprietary gui toolkit |
| 10:10.18 | aida-night | it's rc 2.6.7.9999 or something |
| 10:10.32 | servus | I made my own Debian package for it |
| 10:10.36 | Guerin | wtf, gstreamer? Why not mplayer or xine? |
| 10:10.38 | trogger | aida-night: says who??? |
| 10:10.39 | holycow | TBBle, what is x-tree? |
| 10:10.47 | Nic_ | saloxin: the group video is for using dri |
| 10:10.55 | Nic_ | saloxin: I was able to launch X without that |
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| 10:10.59 | rajasun | RMS is right and Debian GNU/Linux is right e.g. the Debian Free Software Guidelines |
| 10:11.01 | az[a]zel | rajasun, oh give me a break.. QT is GPL now, so who cares |
| 10:11.02 | TBBle | Put 'apt-get update; apt-get install xserver-xorg' into a daily cron script, then as soon as it's out, you'll have it. |
| 10:11.15 | TBBle | holycow: The source code tree for an X Server, in this case. |
| 10:11.16 | aida-night | servus: is that something that you could share?? :) |
| 10:11.17 | az[a]zel | rajasun, and QT is soooooooooooo superior to GTK |
| 10:11.19 | Guerin | rajasun: and both these things say that KDE and qt are A-Ok |
| 10:11.23 | rajasun | az[a]zel: so what they were the folks that made GNOME a necessity |
| 10:11.24 | holycow | lol oh! hehehe ;) |
| 10:11.30 | Guerin | rajasun: so what's your beef? |
| 10:11.34 | az[a]zel | rajasun, you should thank them |
| 10:11.35 | aida-night | servus: I have made deb packages before.. it's not that fun |
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| 10:11.47 | holycow | i thought you were talking about a super secret newfangled dohickey feature they are planning :) |
| 10:11.49 | MadMike | holycow: This is a 2.6.x tutorial, I'm trying to compile a 2.4.x don't know if I can use it :/ |
| 10:11.52 | rajasun | that's why we r happy GNOMERS ;) |
| 10:11.54 | servus | aida-night, Sure, dunno if it will break your system in two though :-) |
| 10:12.02 | holycow | MadMike, procedure is same |
| 10:12.04 | aida-night | servus: probably will |
| 10:12.05 | Phated | I used to be a happy KDE-er. |
| 10:12.07 | servus | It's 2.6.8 for an Athlon XP. |
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| 10:12.11 | servus | I compiled every single module. |
| 10:12.14 | aida-night | servus: do the drivers with X work?? |
| 10:12.21 | servus | Everything works for me. |
| 10:12.28 | Guerin | feh, gnome is awful. GTK2 is nice, though. |
| 10:12.30 | servus | Sound, video, nvidia, doom 3, etc. |
| 10:12.37 | aida-night | I use a centrino laptop |
| 10:12.45 | trisco | Phated: which one now? |
| 10:12.48 | aida-night | doom3??? cedega? |
| 10:12.52 | servus | Just wine. |
| 10:13.02 | aida-night | I see |
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| 10:13.06 | rajasun | but when i'm in the mood...fvwm and BB r fine too |
| 10:13.06 | TBBle | holycow: LOL. Some kind of X that just grows and grows and grows? ^_^ |
| 10:13.08 | servus | Indeed. |
| 10:13.11 | Phated | trisco: Oh, now? XFCE4/Fluxbox. at this instant, dinner. |
| 10:13.20 | holycow | i wish! |
| 10:13.24 | holycow | oh mean x ... *hmmm* |
| 10:13.28 | holycow | :D lol sorry had to say it |
| 10:13.32 | Guerin | Phated: did your power-nap power you up? |
| 10:13.40 | Phated | Guerin: Oh, yes, thank you. :) |
| 10:13.42 | Guerin | !lol |
| 10:13.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 10:13.48 | trisco | Phated: bon apetit then :) |
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| 10:14.01 | aida-night | servus: you sound like one of those people that would build a personal spaceship if earth was bound to get hit by an asteroid |
| 10:14.20 | rajasun | BOFH excuse #422: Someone else stole your IP address, call the Internet detectives! |
| 10:14.22 | Fall | That's a bit pedantic |
| 10:14.24 | servus | aida-night, I'd be meteor goo by the time I got the spaceship to boot >.< |
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| 10:14.32 | Phated | trisco: Thank you. :0 |
| 10:14.34 | Phated | :) |
| 10:14.51 | Phated | aida-night: I'd do that too. |
| 10:15.04 | aida-night | hehe |
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| 10:15.34 | potemkin | prft |
| 10:17.05 | holycow | aida-night, well who says we're not |
| 10:17.24 | aida-night | I know I didn't |
| 10:17.27 | MadMike | my make-kpkg does a "mkdir -p pcmcia; \ |
| 10:17.28 | MadMike | find kernel -path '*/pcmcia/*' -name '*.o' | xargs -i -r ln -sf ../{} pcmcia |
| 10:17.28 | MadMike | if [ -r System.map ]; then /sbin/depmod -ae -F System.map -b /usr/src/linux/debian/tmp-image -r 2.4.27-20040904; fi" before it gets this error. |
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| 10:17.42 | servus | My linux-2.6.8.deb is 14MB and includes all the modules. |
| 10:17.53 | MadMike | Even though I dissabled all pcmcia options |
| 10:18.09 | snide | if a pkg to be installed depends on an older version, apt-get doesn't ask if i want to downgrade it, just says : Broken Package... |
| 10:18.17 | aida-night | servus: is that 2.6.8 kernel?? |
| 10:18.20 | aida-night | or X.org? |
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| 10:18.30 | aida-night | it's annoying when versions are the same heh |
| 10:18.31 | servus | Err, I got the source from linuxkernel.org |
| 10:18.42 | aida-night | 2.6.8.1 |
| 10:18.44 | Guerin | snide: because there's almost never an older version of any given package in one branch of debian at any time |
| 10:18.44 | trisco | servus: that is extremely bloated |
| 10:18.49 | MadMike | couldn't find anything on the web about debian-style kernel compilatian and DISABLING pcmcia |
| 10:18.50 | aida-night | indeed |
| 10:18.56 | servus | trisco, nah. |
| 10:19.10 | servus | trisco, Just because I compiled all the modules doesn't mean I use them, of course *grin* |
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| 10:19.40 | servus | My vmlinuz is 1.1MB. |
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| 10:19.58 | snide | Guerin: yeah. i just wondered why i couldn't do "apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev".... [ i mean the message is a little too "laconic" ] |
| 10:20.00 | trisco | servus: thats more like it |
| 10:20.49 | Guerin | snide: what are you installing that depends on something else older than the rest of your distro? Are you mixing branches? |
| 10:21.05 | servus | So... yeah. |
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| 10:21.41 | snide | Guerin: somehow yes ;). That's why i cannot really complain.. |
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| 10:22.03 | Nic_ | well, nobody knows how X could stop working like that ? |
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| 10:22.31 | servus | Heck of a way to start a conversation, Nic_ |
| 10:22.47 | snide | Guerin: i installed sid a *long* time ago. But since then many packages made their way to sarge. And i downgraded my system to sarge |
| 10:22.53 | TBBle | Nic_: Like what? |
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| 10:23.22 | scarynetworkguy | Nic_: evil spirits |
| 10:23.23 | snide | Guerin: so for many package it was still an "upgrade" |
| 10:23.25 | Nic_ | TBBle: like nothing |
| 10:23.40 | Nic_ | TBBle: I mean nothing happened |
| 10:23.52 | Nic_ | scarynetworkguy: must be that |
| 10:24.01 | Nic_ | scarynetworkguy: debian evil spirits |
| 10:24.10 | az[a]zel | heh, as if this is gnome, so funny: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=2&id=13548&file1=13548-1.jpg&file2=13548-2.jpg&file3=&name=MacOS-X+Aqua+Theme |
| 10:24.10 | cahoot | Nic_: tried the log? |
| 10:24.13 | Guerin | snide: yeipes. |
| 10:24.17 | Nic_ | I'll switch to another distrib coz I can hardly handlt that |
| 10:24.20 | Nic_ | cahoot: sure |
| 10:24.34 | Guerin | wtf are there so many fucking aqua clones? |
| 10:24.37 | Nic_ | cahoot: I didnt change anything so why should I new errors ? |
| 10:24.42 | TBBle | Nic_: So you hit 'X' and it came back with Nic$ ? |
| 10:24.46 | snide | Guerin: i just regret that apt-get just said "libsdl1.2-dev is broken" with no other clue ;-) |
| 10:24.49 | az[a]zel | because everyone loves aqua |
| 10:24.49 | Nic_ | TBBle: startx |
| 10:24.55 | Guerin | it's the most chrome-heavy, pretentious, wasteful os look ever |
| 10:24.56 | scarynetworkguy | Nic_: what errors are in your logs? |
| 10:24.59 | Nic_ | TBBle: and come back without errors |
| 10:25.00 | TBBle | Try just X |
| 10:25.05 | rajasun | there r numerous Acqua themse available in kde and xfce too |
| 10:25.07 | Nic_ | scarynetworkguy: I said I had any? |
| 10:25.16 | Guerin | !r |
| 10:25.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
| 10:25.35 | rajasun | l;) |
| 10:25.50 | gahan | i got a vhost in apache blah.com and it uses errordoc 404 when i access whatever.blah.com it opens blah.com not the 404, how to change it? |
| 10:25.53 | snide | Guerin: it's to justify the tremendous amount of GPU power in our workstation these days |
| 10:25.58 | servus | dpkg, pi r squared? pi are not squared! pi are ROUND! cake are squared! |
| 10:25.58 | dpkg | servus: okay |
| 10:26.00 | Guerin | snide: haha |
| 10:26.07 | servus | Stupid bots. |
| 10:26.18 | TBBle | gahan: Get rid of the ServerAlias *.blah.com ? |
| 10:26.22 | Nic_ | it may be permission problem but for what ? (it still works as root) |
| 10:26.49 | Guerin | dpkg, forget pi r squared? pi |
| 10:26.49 | dpkg | i forgot pi r squared? pi, Guerin |
| 10:26.49 | scarynetworkguy | Nic_: yeah yeah I know what you said. I've *never* once seen that end up being the truth. So lets skip to the end. You type startx it crashes back to console. Paste the last oh say 10 lines into #flood NOT HERE FFS |
| 10:26.49 | gahan | TBBle: not using |
| 10:26.54 | MadMike | anyone can help me with make-krnl? Stuck with a pcmica step I though I was able to disable |
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| 10:27.13 | Guerin | wtf is make-krnl |
| 10:27.22 | TBBle | gahan: Are you sure it's triggering the blah.com VHSOT, and not falling back to the non-vhost directory, which happens to be where blah.com's files live? |
| 10:27.25 | chris_killer | hello debian users ^^ |
| 10:27.27 | MadMike | Guerin: builds a kernel_image package |
| 10:27.29 | TBBle | Vhost. Sorry |
| 10:27.33 | Guerin | it sure as shit ain't a debian kernel packaging tool like make-kpkg |
| 10:27.44 | snide | Guerin: the debian way to do "make bzImage" ? |
| 10:27.51 | Guerin | !kp |
| 10:27.51 | MadMike | guerin: i meant make-kpkg |
| 10:27.51 | dpkg | kp is, like, To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 10:28.08 | gahan | TBBle: hmm in address bar stays whatever.blah.com, when i access whatever.blah.com/fdsfds address bar changes to errordoc404 |
| 10:28.27 | Guerin | !wayttd MadMike |
| 10:28.28 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, MadMike? |
| 10:28.29 | MadMike | either way, i'm stuck it |
| 10:28.50 | servus | dpkg mamamia...u luv it...PROMISED |
| 10:28.50 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, servus |
| 10:28.53 | TBBle | Fascinating. I think I've completely misunderstood your problem and intentions. Care to try again, from the top please? |
| 10:28.55 | servus | Right. |
| 10:29.02 | gahan | TBBle: :) |
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| 10:29.07 | Kevin | hi |
| 10:29.10 | servus | dpkg do you want to watch my kernel dump? |
| 10:29.10 | MadMike | Guerin, I'm trying to build my kernel the debian way, but I'm stuck with an error |
| 10:29.12 | gahan | TBBle: "non-vhost directory" which directive is that |
| 10:29.22 | Fall | eww. |
| 10:29.31 | gahan | i didnt understand your last sentence at all |
| 10:29.35 | Guerin | MadMike: what error? Don't paste, jsut tell me the error it fails on |
| 10:29.44 | Kevin | i'm searching the netinstall iso for sarge |
| 10:29.49 | Guerin | !d-i |
| 10:29.49 | dpkg | methinks d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot |
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| 10:30.06 | servus | dpkg mamamia |
| 10:30.06 | dpkg | servus: are you smoking crack? |
| 10:30.14 | servus | That wasn't really worth it |
| 10:30.17 | MadMike | Guerin, It tries to open some modules.dep |
| 10:30.25 | MadMike | Guerin, and failes |
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| 10:30.39 | TBBle | gahan: The DocumentRoot directive in http.conf outside a <VirtualHost /> stanza. |
| 10:30.51 | Guerin | MadMike: paste the error into #flood |
| 10:30.58 | MadMike | Guerin, Ok |
| 10:31.10 | cahoot | MadMike: checked the perms of the dir? fs error? |
| 10:31.11 | gahan | TBBle: surely not opening this |
| 10:31.37 | Bluth | thx |
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| 10:31.47 | Guerin | MadMike: I'm really interested to know what you did to break make-kpkg; it's pretty bulletproof IME. |
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| 10:32.14 | Guerin | MadMike: ppermissions on that file |
| 10:32.32 | TBBle | gahan: Let me see if I have the problem correctly. You are trying to serve blah.com and want people to get a 404 error if they go to whatever.blah.com? |
| 10:32.36 | Guerin | MadMike: perhaps even the directory |
| 10:32.38 | MadMike | Guerin, okay i'll try to check that, brb |
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| 10:32.58 | Guerin | which is why it's generally not a good idea to build source anywhere other than your ~ |
| 10:33.03 | gahan | TBBle: yes |
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| 10:33.09 | gahan | TBBle: thats it |
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| 10:34.20 | TBBle | OK, good. I guess you'd need a virtualhost configuration for blah.com, _and_ a virtualhost configuration for whatever.blah.com with ServerAlias *.blah.com which redirected all requests (or only '/'?) to the 404 document. |
| 10:34.23 | hearsay | how can I see the version of gcc the kernel was compiled with? |
| 10:34.45 | MadMike | Guerin, I build the kernel as root and the temp-folder is owned by root, write-permission is set, but there is no folder extra present |
| 10:34.52 | cahoot | hearsay: cat /proc/version |
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| 10:36.01 | Guerin | don't build a kernel as root |
| 10:36.06 | gahan | TBBle-BRB: Redirect * 404doc ? |
| 10:36.26 | MadMike | Guerin, would it help to build it with fakeroot? |
| 10:36.26 | hearsay | cahoot: thanks |
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| 10:36.38 | Guerin | move the whole source tree into ~/ and change the ownership and group to your user |
| 10:36.42 | Guerin | MadMike: might do |
| 10:36.55 | simonrvn | it's pointless, unnecessary, and a potential security hole to build anything as root |
| 10:36.57 | Logi | why would df show that 52G are in use when du -sch in the root direcotry only shows 1.9G used? |
| 10:37.11 | simonrvn | logs? files open? |
| 10:37.19 | MadMike | Guerin, hmm i'll give it a shot |
| 10:37.20 | Guerin | MadMike: if you need to compile something that only looks in a certain place (say /usr/src/linux), then link it. |
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| 10:37.22 | snail | Logi: filesystem? |
| 10:37.25 | Logi | I'd take more time to examine this if there weren't *some* runaway process eating up my remaining disk |
| 10:37.29 | Logi | snail: ext3 |
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| 10:37.49 | Guerin | simonrvn: and redundant too |
| 10:37.53 | simonrvn | yup |
| 10:37.59 | Logi | it looks like something logging an insane amount, but that should be shown by du |
| 10:38.13 | Logi | 20M free now... they were 24 when I entered |
| 10:38.38 | simonrvn | you could do a "watch -d df -T" to see what's happening |
| 10:38.42 | snail | the -c arg calcs a grand total for the entire machine... |
| 10:39.45 | snail | never seen that arg use din anger before... |
| 10:40.10 | Logi | it calculates all subdirs, yes |
| 10:40.20 | Logi | and from troot, that would be everything |
| 10:40.34 | Logi | but why is it only finding 1.9G used when df claims 52G used? |
| 10:40.45 | Guerin | Logi: everything is mounted? |
| 10:40.54 | Guerin | (obvious question) |
| 10:41.00 | Guerin | hrm |
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| 10:41.14 | Guerin | df only shows mouted filesystems |
| 10:41.19 | Logi | it's a simple setup, just /boot /proc and the rest in / |
| 10:41.40 | Logi | df claims 52G used on / and I find 1.9G total in mounted filesystems |
| 10:41.41 | aida-night | here is a screenshot |
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| 10:41.43 | aida-night | http://aida.dnsalias.net/aida/desktop.jpg |
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| 10:42.34 | njvic | speaking of filesystems.. I seem to have lost the use of /dev/hdc - if I try cfdisk /dev/hdc I get 'cannot open disk drive' |
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| 10:42.51 | njvic | it has my swap partition on it |
| 10:43.04 | Systemgott | hi @all. I have a problem with my apt-get. Can anyone help me please? |
| 10:43.09 | Maximus7288 | Any one know where i can find a free windows emulator? |
| 10:43.10 | Logi | hmm.. fschk finds problems |
| 10:43.19 | scarynetworkguy | !tell Systemgott about ask |
| 10:43.21 | pirre | Systemgott: 1) Descibe problem 2) Wait for reply |
| 10:43.24 | wizerd1 | umm im using sarge and it seems when i go to ssh into box with putty it wont let me in saing invalid password when it was working before i formated and reinstall |
| 10:43.32 | Logi | this is a machine running in a server room somewhere where I don't have the keys :) |
| 10:43.33 | wizerd1 | someone said something about a key but i dunno how to clear it? |
| 10:43.34 | snail | Maximus7288: debian emulates x windows _really_ well |
| 10:43.38 | Logi | I basically think it needs a reboot... |
| 10:43.39 | TBBle | gahan: (Sorry for the delay) Possibly. It might be RedirectMatch * 404doc, I suspect. |
| 10:43.47 | Logi | reboot and cross fingers :) |
| 10:43.51 | graytron | Maximus7288: apt-get install wine |
| 10:43.56 | Maximus7288 | Well i wanna be able to play like counter strike and stuff |
| 10:44.11 | hex|zzz | Maximus7288, tough. only cedega 4.0.1 runs the steam platform |
| 10:44.12 | scarynetworkguy | wizerd1: cached fingerprint. I can't for the life of me remeber where putty stores em. Google on it should be easy enough to find |
| 10:44.23 | Maximus7288 | Graytron- My pc is having problems with apt-get |
| 10:44.45 | aida-night | Maximus7288: I have an atari emulator .. will that help? |
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| 10:44.53 | TBBle | wizerd1: Putty keeps host keys in the registry... Look under HKLU/Software/ScottTarum or something like that. |
| 10:44.54 | Maximus7288 | I take it cedega isnt free eh? |
| 10:44.58 | aida-night | it runs pong at 3 frames per second |
| 10:45.14 | wizerd1 | thanks guys |
| 10:45.16 | wizerd1 | much appreciated. |
| 10:45.17 | Maximus7288 | not that type of amulator lol |
| 10:45.18 | Guerin | Maximus7288: the best things in life are, but cedega isn't one of the best things in life. |
| 10:45.34 | Systemgott | how can I remove programs completely with apt-get. The remove parameter isn?t working in that way I want |
| 10:45.34 | aida-night | I am upgrading to a geforce 12 next months with 35 pipelines to draw it in color |
| 10:45.39 | Maximus7288 | Guerin-.... what is that supposed to mean? |
| 10:45.45 | directhex | Maximus7288, it's not dfsg free. there's a cvs with a good portion of the source code in it available beer free, but that won't run steam without modification |
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| 10:45.53 | Guerin | Systemgott: well, it's working in the wway it's designed to. |
| 10:46.04 | directhex | Maximus7288, cedega binaries come on a subscription basis, £3 a month |
| 10:46.06 | Maximus7288 | bah that sucks... |
| 10:46.08 | scarynetworkguy | Maximus7288: apt-get install sense-of-humor |
| 10:46.16 | Maximus7288 | ha ha ha |
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| 10:46.27 | Guerin | it wasn't a joke |
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| 10:46.46 | Guerin | apt-get install free-software-clue would be more like it |
| 10:46.46 | aida-night | Maximus7288: I have cedega and it's a mistake to pay for such low quality commercial software |
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| 10:46.54 | wizerd1 | login as: paul |
| 10:46.54 | wizerd1 | Sent username "paul" |
| 10:46.54 | wizerd1 | paul@192.168.1.101's password: |
| 10:46.54 | wizerd1 | Access denied |
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| 10:47.02 | wizerd1 | i deleted the keys in the regedit |
| 10:47.03 | TBBle | Systemgott: --purge ? Depends on what it's not doing right. |
| 10:47.04 | wizerd1 | but still saying that |
| 10:47.05 | wizerd1 | :/ |
| 10:47.07 | Guerin | !moron wizerd1 |
| 10:47.08 | dpkg | wizerd1: You are moron #44 |
| 10:47.15 | aida-night | regedit? |
| 10:47.16 | Systemgott | Guerin: Ok, how can i remove programs complete. Ther shouldn`t be a rest of the program on my hd |
| 10:47.19 | aida-night | linux?? |
| 10:47.20 | aida-night | wtf? |
| 10:47.27 | Guerin | Systemgott: apt-get remove --purge |
| 10:47.28 | Maximus7288 | So ... only way to play CS is Windows eh? |
| 10:47.35 | aida-night | apt-get remove wizerdl |
| 10:47.37 | Guerin | Systemgott: man apt-get tells you this in plain black and white |
| 10:47.45 | aida-night | wizerdl successfuly purged |
| 10:47.55 | Guerin | Maximus7288: no, you can play it in cedega as well. |
| 10:47.56 | wizerd1 | lol |
| 10:47.57 | directhex | Maximus7288, no, the only way is windows or cedega |
| 10:47.57 | wizerd1 | :/ |
| 10:48.00 | Systemgott | ok, i will try |
| 10:48.13 | Maximus7288 | hrm.. that blows |
| 10:48.22 | TBBle | Maximus7288: You just have to _pay for_ cedega. |
| 10:48.24 | Guerin | Maximus7288: or in vmware, although runnning windows in a vmware on linux is like putting a ford fiesta engine in your mustang |
| 10:48.28 | directhex | Maximus7288, complain to valve for not providing a linux port |
| 10:48.34 | Maximus7288 | i dont have a job to pay for it ... |
| 10:48.54 | Maximus7288 | Yeah... stupid valve |
| 10:49.02 | Guerin | Maximus7288: what's the proble? You paid for windows, you paid for CS, right? Why not pay for one more tool. You did pay for those, right? |
| 10:49.03 | Logi | weirdness. I killed jboss (just being used for tomcat atm) and suddenly there are 49GB of free space |
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| 10:49.22 | Logi | 49GB came back from the dead. 49GB that du didn't find |
| 10:49.31 | wizerd1 | what am i surposed to do :/ |
| 10:49.31 | TBBle | Logi: Sounds like a win to me. |
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| 10:49.40 | Guerin | Logi: wow, that's bas. |
| 10:49.41 | Techdeck | how do I say in cron: run this every weekday, every hour from 9am till 9pm ? |
| 10:49.43 | Logi | TBBle: thank you for your useful input |
| 10:49.50 | TBBle | ^_^ |
| 10:49.54 | Guerin | Logi: bad, even. |
| 10:50.00 | Logi | it is *Very* odd |
| 10:50.04 | scarynetworkguy | Techdeck: man cron |
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| 10:50.14 | scarynetworkguy | Techdeck: also see http://wwww.tldp.org |
| 10:50.20 | Techdeck | scarynetworkguy, I did read it, it confuses me to death |
| 10:50.25 | Techdeck | the whole * * * thingies |
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| 10:50.32 | TBBle | wizerd1: Supposed to do about what? |
| 10:50.38 | Guerin | Logi: try to recreate it, file a bug. If that happened on any of my systems, it'd be crashy crashy waaay before it could get that much free disk. |
| 10:50.48 | wizerd1 | i deleted the registy keys that putty left |
| 10:50.52 | wizerd1 | still getting same error. |
| 10:51.07 | TBBle | wizerd1: If the error is the thing you pasted above, your password's wrong. |
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| 10:51.44 | Systemgott | Oh yes, it works ;) Ok, now it has removed the program completly. Thank you very much. |
| 10:52.08 | TBBle | Systemgott: What part of the program did it miss the first time, exactly? |
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| 10:52.48 | Systemgott | it retourned error code 1 and missed webmin.acl |
| 10:53.22 | TBBle | Systemgott: Is that in /etc ? |
| 10:53.37 | TBBle | Error code 1? What was the error? |
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| 10:56.53 | Systemgott | no |
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| 10:57.18 | Systemgott | it should be in /etc/webmin, but this directory doesnt exist |
| 10:58.11 | The_Vulture | Systemgott: then I guess you don't have webmin installed.. or something |
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| 10:59.08 | TBBle | Systemgott: Very weird. Unless the package is webmin, it prolly shouldn't be removing /etc/webmin/webmin.acl anyway. |
| 10:59.25 | TBBle | And if it _is_ webmin, then anything in /etc is configuration and as such only goes on --purge. |
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| 10:59.52 | Systemgott | i typed apt-get install webmin but the directory wasn?t created anyway |
| 11:00.00 | Guerin | sounds like someone deleted /etc/webmin/webmin.acl to me |
| 11:00.04 | Nic_ | well, I'm searching a local.start file for hours, and can't find anything. it's crazy |
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| 11:00.32 | TBBle | Nic_: A _what_? Sorry, can I get a side of context with that? |
| 11:00.39 | Systemgott | then i want to remove it, so i can reinstall, typed apt-get remove webmin and then... error code 1 |
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| 11:01.07 | debianist | can anyone help out on setting HAL ? i've apt-getted the hal package with all it's dependencies, and would like to see my usb key automounted and accessible after I plug it in |
| 11:01.09 | debianist | ? |
| 11:01.12 | TBBle | Systemgott: Well, a purge (if it completes) should clean that out anyway. |
| 11:01.16 | Nic_ | TBBle, a file when you put some commands, and that's launched every time at boot |
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| 11:01.31 | Nic_ | it's very usefull, and there's a file like that in every distrib except debian |
| 11:01.34 | TBBle | Nic_: Make yourself an init.d script? |
| 11:01.49 | Systemgott | Ok, thank you all. |
| 11:02.01 | Systemgott | bye @all |
| 11:02.06 | TBBle | Nic_: What do you want to run on startup? |
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| 11:02.36 | Nic_ | TBBle, logitech_applet -s800 |
| 11:02.39 | Logi | right, thanks for the help guys |
| 11:02.44 | Nic_ | TBBle, and some other things I'll need later |
| 11:02.48 | Logi | especially TBBle of course |
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| 11:02.54 | vipersniper | im, trying to install kde on sarge, but syas the package can't be found |
| 11:03.03 | vipersniper | any ideas |
| 11:03.05 | Nic_ | TBBle, how do I call the script and where do I put it? |
| 11:03.08 | debianist | after instsalling udev and gnome-volumen-manager, can I wipe out my manual configs from /etc/fstab and apt-get remove hotplug and discover? |
| 11:03.22 | TBBle | Nic_: Are these things you should be running as a user, not as system daemons? |
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| 11:03.36 | Guerin | Nic_: it's already there, it's called bootmisc |
| 11:03.40 | Nic_ | TBBle, as root |
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| 11:04.20 | Phated | vipersniper: See /topic. |
| 11:04.22 | sts | hey folks! where can i find a mozilla .deb? |
| 11:04.25 | Led_Zeppelin | is it possible to hook up a switch to your cable modem. And then attach routers to the switch? |
| 11:04.38 | Phated | sts: apt-get install mozilla |
| 11:04.47 | sts | Phated: 1.7? |
| 11:04.56 | Phated | sts: Probably not yet. |
| 11:05.09 | Phated | sts: Hang on. |
| 11:05.18 | scarynetworkguy | sts: http://packages.debian.org would tell you |
| 11:05.18 | sts | ok |
| 11:05.20 | Phated | sts: In unstable, yes, 1.7. |
| 11:05.32 | TBBle | Led_Zeppelin: Probably. |
| 11:05.41 | Nic_ | Guerin, thanks I'll try that. Should I put new commands at end of the file or a bit before? |
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| 11:06.09 | vipersniper | Phated:kde temporarily gone from testing, is that it |
| 11:06.11 | Guerin | Nic_: up to you. Unless you need certain things in that file run beforre/after certain others, I'd just put 'em all at the end |
| 11:06.19 | Phated | vipersniper: Yes. |
| 11:06.19 | CoffeeBreaks | small question: I am trying to understand the state of audio in Linux, and why things work or not, and it's hard. |
| 11:06.31 | CoffeeBreaks | I have alsa, gstreamer, esd on my machine |
| 11:06.32 | Phated | CoffeeBreaks: How was that a question? ;) |
| 11:06.37 | vipersniper | Phated:for how long |
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| 11:06.45 | CoffeeBreaks | and I cannot use gstreamer when esd is on |
| 11:06.49 | Phated | vipersniper: No idea. |
| 11:06.58 | Nic_ | Guerin I was wondering what : exit 0 was |
| 11:06.58 | Guerin | vipersniper: nobody's sure. I wouldn't think more than a week. |
| 11:06.58 | scarynetworkguy | vipersniper: untill it's not useless bloatware? |
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| 11:07.07 | TBBle | CoffeeBreaks: Please phrase all questions in the form of a question. |
| 11:07.17 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: no, that would mean that sarge will NEVER get released :P |
| 11:07.18 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Come off it, you're a KDE-er too. |
| 11:07.46 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: *was* I quit that shit... |
| 11:08.01 | CoffeeBreaks | Why must I switch esd off to use gstreamer? Why cannot my sound system mix everything I feed it? |
| 11:08.04 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: ok I guess you're right. :D |
| 11:08.10 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Uh-huh, like you quit caffeine? |
| 11:08.15 | Guerin | CoffeeBreaks: because it's the evil sound daemon |
| 11:08.20 | Phated | CoffeeBreaks: Your sound system sucks? |
| 11:08.34 | TBBle | CoffeeBreaks: Can you tell gstreamer to _use_ esd instead? |
| 11:08.37 | directhex | CoffeeBreaks, yes you can |
| 11:08.42 | Guerin | CoffeeBreaks: there's probably an option in gstreamer to use esd |
| 11:08.43 | sts | Phated: using sarge. is there a way to still get 1.7? |
| 11:08.45 | directhex | TBBle, yes you can |
| 11:08.47 | Guerin | yeah |
| 11:08.50 | Guerin | word |
| 11:09.04 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: no one I will *never* quit. The other I've been clean for a while now. I just gotta decide if I'm going to stick with XFCE4 or Fluxbox :P |
| 11:09.12 | Phated | sts: Er. Hm. Backports, maybe, but I don't know if they package for sarge... OR, upgrade to unstable. |
| 11:09.30 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Dude, you run Konq on XFCE4... You ain't clean, brother. |
| 11:09.30 | directhex | CoffeeBreaks, apt-get install gstreamer-esd or gstreamer0.8-esd depending on desired version |
| 11:09.31 | Guerin | sts: install the sid package if you think you're 'ard enough, download the sid source and compile, or use the static binary from mozilla.org |
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| 11:10.03 | Guerin | sts: don't upgrade your whole shop to unstable just for a web browser. |
| 11:10.08 | Guerin | !info mozilla sarge |
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| 11:10.15 | dpkg | mozilla: (Mozilla Web Browser - dummy package), section web, is optional. Version: 2:1.6-5 (sarge), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 11:10.22 | rich_ | hi |
| 11:10.30 | Guerin | the differences between 1.6 and 1.7 aren't all that major |
| 11:10.35 | directhex | CoffeeBreaks, then run gconf-editor and change /system/gstreamer/default/audiosink or /system/gstreamer/0.8/default/sudiosink (dependong on version) to "esdsink" |
| 11:10.42 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I do not. Check if you don't believe me. I'm clean and sober when it comes to that stuff. |
| 11:10.43 | Phated | It's 1.6, I didn't see much of a difference there. |
| 11:10.43 | Phated | rich_: Hello. |
| 11:10.48 | sts | Guerin: apt-get source mozilla-browser? |
| 11:10.59 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: But you -installed- Konq. :P |
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| 11:11.15 | sts | Guerin: after changing sources.list to unstable? |
| 11:11.16 | Phated | sts: You can always download off mozilla.org. |
| 11:11.28 | Guerin | sts: no, if you want to compile the sid source, go to p.d.o and get the sid source - if you apt-get source, you'll get the sarge source |
| 11:11.28 | trisco | Konq on its own, I wouldnt mind though |
| 11:11.33 | Guerin | sts: don't. |
| 11:11.39 | CoffeeBreaks | ok thanks a lot for the help |
| 11:11.45 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: in the past. It is *not* on here now. |
| 11:11.50 | Phated | trisco: I would, since all K apps are hell outside of KDE. |
| 11:11.52 | TBBle | Can you apt-get source mozilla/unstable ? |
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| 11:11.59 | directhex | CoffeeBreaks, of course, esd is completely unneccessary if you use alsa |
| 11:11.59 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Uh-huh, suuuuure. |
| 11:12.02 | directhex | bah |
| 11:12.09 | Phated | \o/ for alsa. |
| 11:12.09 | TBBle | Assuming the right sources.list and apt-preferences setup... |
| 11:12.15 | trisco | Phated: yup |
| 11:12.27 | Phated | trisco: :) What up? |
| 11:12.29 | Guerin | TBBle: only if he has unstable sources in his list, which means pinning, and if he did, he'd not have to ask us how to do it. |
| 11:12.49 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: check :D |
| 11:12.49 | TBBle | OK, good. |
| 11:13.02 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Bah, I'll believe you. |
| 11:13.14 | Guerin | konqueror is a great app. If only it was a standard-compliant web browser. |
| 11:13.23 | pgpkeys | sts NEVER mix packages from the disfferent release levels (especially by changing the sources.list). Eitehr use source and install under /usr/local, get the packages from apt-get.org, or manually download the debs from p.d.o and required deps. |
| 11:13.24 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: OK. |
| 11:13.31 | trisco | Phated: not much :) hows you? |
| 11:13.31 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 11:13.39 | Guerin | !word pgpkeys |
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| 11:13.40 | dpkg | pgpkeys: Word to your mutha! |
| 11:13.43 | pgpkeys | REALLY bad idea to use the sources.list to get mixed packages. |
| 11:13.45 | pgpkeys | DPKG! |
| 11:13.49 | pgpkeys | hey dude! |
| 11:13.49 | Phated | trisco: I's good. Not much happening too. |
| 11:13.58 | sts | pgpkeys: ok |
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| 11:14.03 | Phated | ~.- |
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| 11:14.05 | sts | pgpkeys: thanks! |
| 11:14.09 | pgpkeys | sts welcome |
| 11:14.27 | pgpkeys | sts doing it the way you wanted is the EASY way to install instability |
| 11:14.30 | pgpkeys | bad idea :) |
| 11:14.46 | pgpkeys | dpkg: what you been up to bro? |
| 11:14.50 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, pgpkeys |
| 11:14.56 | trisco | Phated: now tell me that was a smiley as well |
| 11:14.58 | pgpkeys | ahh shit |
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| 11:15.03 | pgpkeys | bot here, user on efnet |
| 11:15.11 | Phated | trisco: It was a raised brow. |
| 11:15.13 | Schumi_ | hello: i installed debian last night.........everything is working perfectly...but.. i was listening to xmms and suddenly it stoped and gives me that error to check if nothing is blocking the audio card etc... but the audio is working because i can watch movies the sounds from linux are working ...... except from xmms . can anyone help me?? |
| 11:15.13 | scarynetworkguy | trisco: only my most favorite smiley *ever* |
| 11:15.28 | Phated | trisco: Or a wiggly eyebrow. :) |
| 11:15.28 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aww, how sweet. |
| 11:15.41 | trisco | Phated: ahh |
| 11:15.54 | Guerin | alias "apt-get install fuckups" "echo deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/main non-free contrib" >> /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update |
| 11:16.00 | trisco | scarynetworkguy: how chweeet :) |
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| 11:16.13 | Guerin | just ignore my bad quoting there ^^ |
| 11:16.15 | pgpkeys | schumi_: you'll need to check your plugins. make sure it's using esnd driver or OSS (depending on how you configured your system by default) |
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| 11:16.37 | pgpkeys | schumi_: xmms is either losing it's connection to your default sound daemon or trying to override it |
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| 11:16.51 | Schumi_ | a checked them i am using OSS ....... it is set |
| 11:16.56 | pgpkeys | schumi_: and that's handled by xmms's plugins and configuration |
| 11:16.56 | trisco | scarynetworkguy: I figured why my lesscolors wouldnt work. nickcolor |
| 11:16.59 | Schumi_ | i was listening and then stoped |
| 11:17.00 | Phated | trisco: Yeah. :) More believeable than the "two fingers on boob"? |
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| 11:17.03 | Schumi_ | i was listening and then stopped |
| 11:17.05 | scarynetworkguy | trisco: cool |
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| 11:17.10 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :D |
| 11:17.11 | pgpkeys | schumi_: well then something preempted the sound daemon |
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| 11:17.29 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 11:17.34 | Schumi_ | but how come I can view movies and here the sound?? |
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| 11:17.40 | trisco | Phated: heh |
| 11:17.46 | Phated | trisco: :) |
| 11:17.48 | pgpkeys | schumi_: i've already explained that and one question mark is enough |
| 11:17.49 | Guerin | Schumi_: good question |
| 11:18.11 | Guerin | sound daemons are evil |
| 11:18.20 | pgpkeys | especially gnome's |
| 11:18.23 | Phated | Is ALSA a sound daemon? |
| 11:18.37 | Guerin | !alsa |
| 11:18.37 | dpkg | methinks alsa is the "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture" (http://www.alsa-project.org/) the replacement for OSS/Free Sound drivers. It replaces OSS (mostly) in 2.6 and offers better even hardware support than OSS. For install information in 2.6, see <alsa 2.6>; for 2.4, see <alsa tutorial>. Oh, and it defaults to muted when loading so use a mixer to get sound. Press 'M' for unmuting, turning up the sound levels isn't sufficient. |
| 11:18.44 | pgpkeys | it's modules plus daemon attachment code |
| 11:18.46 | Guerin | no, alsa is a sound architecture |
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| 11:18.49 | grh | anyone knows why my pts/?? won't be recycled? every time i log in via ssh to my machine the pts-number increases, it never re-uses low-number pts's |
| 11:19.00 | trisco | Is it common for new kernel versions to be released this frequently? I've seen 4 or 5 2.6.8's already |
| 11:19.14 | Guerin | trisco: in sid, yeah. |
| 11:19.19 | pgpkeys | grh: it will reuse them as it runs out of them. it's incrementally stepped |
| 11:19.20 | TBBle | grh: It's a known change, I think it's a later kernel2.6 change... |
| 11:19.24 | grh | after a month or so of uptime i get pts/350 and such |
| 11:19.25 | Phated | It's probably semi-buggy and a lot of new fixes are being incorporated. |
| 11:19.35 | grh | oh, okey |
| 11:19.44 | trisco | Guerin: ok |
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| 11:20.00 | try_catch_this | I really need a download manager for linux |
| 11:20.06 | Led_Zeppelin | with the 2.6.x kernel, why can't I use modconf ? |
| 11:20.07 | directhex | try_catch_this, wget |
| 11:20.24 | try_catch_this | any suggestions? |
| 11:20.39 | directhex | <directhex> try_catch_this, wget |
| 11:20.40 | pgpkeys | led_zeppelin: because the module architecture has changed, so modconf isn't familiar with the API change |
| 11:20.40 | trisco | Phated: not much in the changelogs |
| 11:20.41 | rich_ | try_catch_this What is a download manager? |
| 11:20.48 | pgpkeys | or should i say that as ABI? ;) |
| 11:20.57 | Guerin | Led_Zeppelin: you can. |
| 11:21.02 | Led_Zeppelin | pgpkeys, makes sense. What can my alternatives? |
| 11:21.03 | pgpkeys | you can rebuild it |
| 11:21.06 | Led_Zeppelin | other then modprobe |
| 11:21.07 | Guerin | err, modconf works fine in 2.6 kernels |
| 11:21.08 | directhex | try_catch_this, if you REQUIRE a gui, then get gwget2, a wget front end |
| 11:21.08 | TBBle | Actually, I think modconf's issue is the filenames end in .ko isn't it? |
| 11:21.22 | Led_Zeppelin | pgpkeys, I prefer Debian apt-get instead of building :-) |
| 11:21.32 | Led_Zeppelin | Guerin, did you build your kernel? |
| 11:21.36 | pgpkeys | guerin: err no it doesn't for newer unless you rebuild it or use the kernel from packages |
| 11:21.40 | Phated | trisco: Meh, dunno, but it's sid, you're bound to see a lot of changes. Speaking of which, I need *someone* to get off my bandwidth so I can dist-upgrade... |
| 11:21.46 | Guerin | Led_Zeppelin: yes and no. It works with both. |
| 11:22.03 | try_catch_this | I would never use a command line download manager |
| 11:22.06 | Led_Zeppelin | Guerin, really? I can't seem to get it to work with apt-get install kernel-2.6... |
| 11:22.12 | try_catch_this | ick |
| 11:22.14 | trisco | Phated: who is on it? your bandwidth |
| 11:22.15 | Guerin | pgpkeys: wtf, I built 2.6.7 and it works fine |
| 11:22.19 | Led_Zeppelin | try_catch_this, wget rocks :-) |
| 11:22.23 | directhex | try_catch_this, more fool you. i use command line wget on windows. |
| 11:22.31 | directhex | try_catch_this, like i said, gwget2 is a front end for wget |
| 11:22.39 | Guerin | try_catch_this: whyever not? |
| 11:22.41 | try_catch_this | thanks |
| 11:22.43 | Phated | trisco: A CERTAIN network person who makes it very obvious that he is one by his nick... |
| 11:22.57 | try_catch_this | I was looking on sourcefourge but I couldnt find one |
| 11:22.59 | Led_Zeppelin | Guerin, pgpkeys : HEY! modconf suddenly works for me now :-) |
| 11:22.59 | rich_ | try_catch_this What is it that you want it to do? |
| 11:23.00 | Led_Zeppelin | muuhahah |
| 11:23.03 | trisco | Phated: heh ok |
| 11:23.05 | Led_Zeppelin | Guerin, thanks! |
| 11:23.06 | Guerin | amazing... |
| 11:23.07 | pgpkeys | guerin: dude, i work with the frigging project and modconf does not work unless you rebuild modconf or use the 2.6.x from the project. it's a modular change |
| 11:23.10 | Phated | trisco: You're sad. Btdownloadcurses is excellent. |
| 11:23.16 | Led_Zeppelin | pgpkeys, it works :-) |
| 11:23.17 | directhex | try_catch_this, look on "apt-cache search" in future |
| 11:23.18 | pgpkeys | nm, believe what you want. no skin off my nose |
| 11:23.20 | Phated | Errrr. SCREW nick completion. trisco, sorry. |
| 11:23.23 | try_catch_this | because command line should stay back in the days of dos |
| 11:23.23 | try_catch_this | which are dead |
| 11:23.40 | try_catch_this | ok |
| 11:23.44 | trisco | Phated: I will try it anyway :) |
| 11:23.46 | Guerin | pgpkeys: that may be true, but the fact remains that my 2.6.7 built from kernel.org source worked fine with modconf. |
| 11:23.48 | Phated | try_catch_this: You should stay back in the days of windows. Linux is and always has been a CLI environment. |
| 11:24.01 | Phated | scaryNETWORKguy: Geee, I wonder. |
| 11:24.07 | pgpkeys | guerin: what ver is your modconf? |
| 11:24.11 | try_catch_this | 0_o |
| 11:24.13 | pgpkeys | what was your last update pull? |
| 11:24.25 | rich_ | try_catch_this I can manage your downloads for you. Just tell me how many you have and how much disk space you have and I'll tell you how many more you need. |
| 11:24.34 | try_catch_this | well If you think command line suits you better thats your choice |
| 11:24.36 | pgpkeys | (i've been away for the last 2 weeks so it might be a change i'm unaware of) |
| 11:24.46 | trisco | Phated: did nickcompletion do that?...heh |
| 11:24.47 | Guerin | pgpkeys: I don't know, since I upgraded about three days ago. This all happened just as 2.6.7 was being released |
| 11:24.57 | pgpkeys | hrmm |
| 11:25.26 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: You suck at it. :) |
| 11:25.27 | Phated | trisco: Hah. :D |
| 11:25.40 | Guerin | try_catch_this: haha |
| 11:25.40 | pgpkeys | ok, i won't discount you. i'll look into it. maybe frank did something i don't know of |
| 11:25.44 | trisco | lunch beckons |
| 11:25.47 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yes I do. BTW I'm done. |
| 11:25.52 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone get mplayer with full screen? I have a Radeon 8500LE and it used to work fine with mplayer -fs , but with debian I can't get it to work |
| 11:25.55 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: W00t. |
| 11:25.59 | simonrvn | try_catch_this: grow up |
| 11:26.02 | Guerin | pgpkeys: I don't have that kernel installed any more, but I'm tempted to reinstall it just to see |
| 11:26.02 | xoz | try_catch_this: imagine if you have to give instruction to a child... do you use a mouse or write instruction that he can follow. cli is just the natural way to summarize your thoughts. |
| 11:26.04 | directhex | Led_Zeppelin, yes, fullscreen is fine |
| 11:26.08 | mwilson | try_catch_this: So you'd always use a GUI, no matter how inappropriate it was? |
| 11:26.22 | Led_Zeppelin | directhex, do I need a certain library for that FS to work? |
| 11:26.23 | try_catch_this | ummm |
| 11:26.31 | try_catch_this | If I were a programmer |
| 11:26.31 | rich_ | try_catch_this Its kind of funny, you dont think people should have to use a command line, I still dont see why they need anything. If you want a gui to do nothing, try xmessage. |
| 11:26.32 | pgpkeys | guerin: do so. i'd be interested in the details. I just checked the bugs and frank hasn't logged anything new against that |
| 11:26.34 | try_catch_this | writing a compiler |
| 11:26.41 | try_catch_this | the compiler would be command line |
| 11:26.48 | Phated | Like gcc? :D |
| 11:26.50 | try_catch_this | but I will make sure it had an IDE |
| 11:26.52 | directhex | Led_Zeppelin, edit ~/.mplayer/config and add "zoom" i think. |
| 11:27.00 | simonrvn | contradicting everything you said. i rest my case :) |
| 11:27.09 | simonrvn | grow up :) |
| 11:27.20 | Phated | mwilson: :) Goody, I thought -I- was the only one. |
| 11:27.24 | xoz | try_catch_this: all you wish the computer must do is clearly done if you write it in instruction instead of mouse gestures ;) |
| 11:27.26 | TBBle | try_catch_this: Why must your IDE be tied to a compiler? |
| 11:27.32 | Guerin | !flw16 is < try_catch_this> because command line should stay back in the days of dos |
| 11:27.33 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 11:27.33 | Led_Zeppelin | directhex, no, that will do software zoom, and it sucks. It says my PC is too slow for it. I have a XP 2500+ :-) |
| 11:27.43 | pgpkeys | rich_: hahah! i just saw that. (xmessage) |
| 11:27.56 | try_catch_this | because you can work faster with an IDE than with scite or what ever |
| 11:27.59 | rich_ | :) |
| 11:28.01 | simonrvn | Geert: you should add the thing about the compiler |
| 11:28.03 | Phated | Hey, how does one use xmessage anyways? |
| 11:28.04 | directhex | Led_Zeppelin, so also add vo=xv |
| 11:28.07 | simonrvn | Geert: sorry |
| 11:28.15 | Led_Zeppelin | directhex, says, I can't use xv |
| 11:28.20 | Guerin | yeah, getting there |
| 11:28.21 | suzzi | any one know of a text only image viewer that uses aalib??? |
| 11:28.27 | Guerin | my box is lagging out like wicked |
| 11:28.32 | pgpkeys | try_catch_this: troll somewhere else or go back to windows. Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, HP-UX and other unices are built around the commandline. |
| 11:28.33 | simonrvn | Guerin: ^^^ |
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| 11:28.35 | pgpkeys | deal with it |
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| 11:28.43 | directhex | Led_Zeppelin, did you compile this mplayer yourself? |
| 11:28.46 | xoz | try_catch_this: nope... you don't want to work. you summarize it in instruction so that you'll not do the same task forever |
| 11:28.46 | rich_ | Phated Its great, You can have it ask you questions and execute shell commands based on your answers |
| 11:28.49 | Led_Zeppelin | directhex, yes |
| 11:28.49 | Phated | Guerin: Like how? Something like that happened today. |
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| 11:28.59 | pgpkeys | guerin: same here but for me it's because i'm upgrading cygwin |
| 11:29.03 | pgpkeys | :) |
| 11:29.03 | tikki | Good to see this place is still alive and kicking |
| 11:29.03 | tikki | pgp! |
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| 11:29.08 | Led_Zeppelin | directhex, I think I need X windows dev |
| 11:29.10 | directhex | Led_Zeppelin, then i can't help. the debian marillat packages just work for me using the settings outlined above |
| 11:29.13 | Phated | rich_: Yes, but -how-? As in how would I make it sya pop up something to remind me I had school in ten minutes? |
| 11:29.15 | try_catch_this | ok I am sorry for insulting your dated command line tools |
| 11:29.19 | simonrvn | suzzi: there's some console apps that can display images if you have access to /dev/fb0 and framebuffer video |
| 11:29.20 | pgpkeys | tikki: ok, how do i know you ;) |
| 11:29.22 | filgy | why isn't xchat 2.4 in sid/unstable? |
| 11:29.27 | filgy | i'm seeing up to 2.0.10 |
| 11:29.29 | try_catch_this | I just wanted some help finding a download magager |
| 11:29.53 | tikki | pgpkeys: You dont but we musta talked like 2 or 3 years ago on here |
| 11:29.53 | try_catch_this | thanks for helping me find one |
| 11:29.53 | simonrvn | dated? hahahha |
| 11:29.53 | Phated | try_catch_this: Insulting it during an apology is not the best was to go... |
| 11:29.53 | tikki | name rings a bell atleast |
| 11:29.54 | Phated | way* |
| 11:29.57 | simonrvn | goddamn that's funny |
| 11:30.01 | xoz | try_catch_this: language.... you use it everyday. not mouse gestures. it's the normal way of communication even to a *machine* |
| 11:30.02 | pgpkeys | try_catch_this: and then you ran your mouth about commandline being for dos days. deal with the flamage. you earned it |
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| 11:30.11 | Phated | How many people here use irssi-text? Raise your hand. |
| 11:30.21 | vipersniper | Phated: what about xfree is ti gone also |
| 11:30.23 | filgy | i use xhcat |
| 11:30.23 | tikki | pgpkeys: you still putting in time on irc? and you remained sane.. (claps) |
| 11:30.31 | filgy | wondering why i can't apt-get version 2.4 of it ;) |
| 11:30.36 | Phated | filgy: Hush. Do you use CLI? |
| 11:30.45 | TBBle | How many people use the mouse to chat on IRC? I can't even _begin_ to imagine typing with a mouse. |
| 11:30.50 | pgpkeys | tikki: hehe yeah. i'm still with debian and also with freebsd now so.. sanity is the least of my worries :) |
| 11:30.51 | suzzi | simonrvn: ya i do, would you happen to know of any names, or something that i can search aptitude with aalib is not really picking anything up, thanks |
| 11:30.54 | directhex | i also use xchat, for my sins. |
| 11:30.55 | Phated | TBBle: Oh, very good! |
| 11:30.59 | filgy | phaethon: yeah for the most part.. i used to use EPIC right before irssi was even around |
| 11:30.59 | pirre | !tell me about karma |
| 11:31.01 | Led_Zeppelin | directhex, can I see your apt.sources ? |
| 11:31.03 | pgpkeys | tikki: irc just gievs me a reason NOT to return to sanity :) |
| 11:31.04 | rich_ | Phated ACTION=`xmessage -print -buttons ReplayNow,ReplayLater,Delete,Reset,Cancel $SONG` Where $SONG is a shell variable |
| 11:31.05 | directhex | though i use gnome-console to do most tasks |
| 11:31.07 | pgpkeys | err gives |
| 11:31.10 | directhex | Led_Zeppelin, #flood |
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| 11:31.12 | filgy | phaethon: but xchat is just too nice.. irssi does look awesome the way it handles windows and such though |
| 11:31.15 | simonrvn | suzzi: it can display the image without aalib, um sec |
| 11:31.20 | TBBle | suzzi: caca-view |
| 11:31.25 | filgy | doh |
| 11:31.26 | pirre | !karma pirre |
| 11:31.27 | dpkg | pirre has neutral karma |
| 11:31.28 | filgy | Phated too |
| 11:31.28 | Phated | try_catch_this: OK, now see, we have at -least- five people out of ten or so active who use the CLI for everyday tasks... Now hush. |
| 11:31.30 | suzzi | TBBle: thanks |
| 11:31.31 | childe | Where can I find the mplayer package for Debian? |
| 11:31.42 | pgpkeys | !mplayer |
| 11:31.42 | dpkg | i guess mplayer is at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ , or for debian packages, see http://hpisi.nerim.net/, or the url for debian packages moved to ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/; as for why mplayer isn't in debian, ask me about <mplayer license> |
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| 11:31.47 | simonrvn | suzzi: fbi |
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| 11:31.53 | pgpkeys | !mplayer license |
| 11:31.53 | dpkg | [mplayer license] Many parts of MPlayer are covered by various software patents, which make it difficult for Debian to distribute MPlayer packages. Instead, grab debs from <marillat> or <rarewares>, or build them yourself. |
| 11:32.05 | tikki | i just checked my logs, the last time we talked was may 5th 2001 |
| 11:32.06 | tikki | pgpkeys: |
| 11:32.12 | Phated | filgy: Ahh, yeah, it does. Xchat, I will admit, is fairly good-looking in a GUI if you set good fonts. irssi works also very well if you use it with the right fonts in a *term. |
| 11:32.13 | tikki | scary i still kept them around lol |
| 11:32.57 | pgpkeys | tikki: wow! it's been awhile heheh |
| 11:32.57 | suzzi | simonrvn: thanks |
| 11:32.57 | childe | You mean search an unofficial package? |
| 11:32.57 | simonrvn | np |
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| 11:32.58 | try_catch_this | for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis |
| 11:32.58 | mwilson | !rarewares |
| 11:32.58 | dpkg | well, rarewares is a repository for many media apps. http://rarewares.org. Sid packages in http://www.rarewares.org/debian/packages/unstable ./ |
| 11:32.58 | try_catch_this | now plz get off it |
| 11:32.58 | TBBle | Phated: I don't use a CLI for everyday tasks! I use XTerms! That's _windowing_. ^_^ |
| 11:32.58 | tikki | pgpkeys: we were yapping in priv message about the vices of via chipsets, ata/100 drives and linux lol |
| 11:32.58 | Phated | Hahahahahahaha "faster with GUIs". |
| 11:32.58 | pgpkeys | try_catch_this: hey you opened the can of worms. don't open cans you can't eat if you can't eat |
| 11:32.58 | filgy | Phated: the main xchat developer made the 2.4 release shareware for windows.. maybe that's why it isn't currently in unstable.. |
| 11:33.07 | Phated | TBBle: Actually, an xterm -is- a CLI too. |
| 11:33.10 | filgy | since you have to pay for it |
| 11:33.13 | simonrvn | try_catch_this: are you lagging? that's awful slow, and who are you talking to specifically? |
| 11:33.14 | filgy | for winblows anyways |
| 11:33.16 | Phated | filgy: WHAT?! |
| 11:33.20 | Guerin | someone else add the rest of them choice quotes to dpkg |
| 11:33.21 | TBBle | Ohno! I'm dated! |
| 11:33.21 | pgpkeys | tikki: ahh yes, the good old VIA shitset |
| 11:33.24 | Phated | filgy: No way! Shareware? Argh... |
| 11:33.24 | pgpkeys | err chipset |
| 11:33.27 | Guerin | my box is choking |
| 11:33.32 | try_catch_this | no I am downloading something |
| 11:33.33 | tikki | pgpkeys: I was trying to find some familiar faces in #slackware but all the oldschool guys left i noticed |
| 11:33.33 | filgy | Phated: yeah... search slashdot for xchat.. |
| 11:33.38 | Phated | Guerin: Faster on guis? |
| 11:33.39 | tikki | you're like the first familiar face so far |
| 11:33.40 | Guerin | pgpkeys: should modconf work with debian stock kernels? |
| 11:33.43 | filgy | Phated: or even just load xchat.org ;) |
| 11:33.46 | pgpkeys | guerin: yes |
| 11:33.49 | try_catch_this | not everyone is blessed with broadband |
| 11:33.58 | filgy | Phated: he says the windows builds are to hard to make work so he wants money for it.. bs if you ask me |
| 11:33.59 | pgpkeys | try_catch_this: oh waaaa |
| 11:34.12 | xoz | try_catch_this: actually, it's best if you are bilingual. there are some things that can be done better if you know alternatives... gui and cli are not exclusive. |
| 11:34.15 | Guerin | Phated: I'm using an external monitor and a higher screenmode, and things are horrifically slow |
| 11:34.16 | Phated | try_catch_this: How in hell does using a GUI make your Net connection faster? |
| 11:34.16 | Nic_ | try_catch_this, it isnt the best place to troll about that, debian is full of gui |
| 11:34.22 | filgy | especially since there's another guy that distributes windows binaries for free |
| 11:34.27 | pgpkeys | tikki: god. it's been YEARS since i've been in #slackware or even touched it |
| 11:34.30 | Phated | Guerin: Ahhh. But should I add that quote? |
| 11:34.30 | filgy | with gtk2 theme support |
| 11:34.30 | Guerin | pgpkeys: because they're patched? |
| 11:34.33 | pgpkeys | tikki: been WAY too busy |
| 11:34.38 | Guerin | Phated: yeah, do whatever |
| 11:34.38 | Phated | !literal qotd0 |
| 11:34.38 | dpkg | qotd0 is <reply>see qotd(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20|21|22|23|24|25|26|27|28|29|30|31|32|33|34|35|36|37|38|39|40|41|42|43|44|45|46|47|48|49|50|51|52|53|54|55|56|57|58|59|60|61|62|63|64|65|66|67|68) |
| 11:34.42 | Phated | Guerin: :) |
| 11:34.49 | tikki | pgpkeys: yeah you were busy then too hehe |
| 11:35.01 | rich_ | try_catch_this Oh You call that a download manager? So your problem is that you cant choose a filemanager to use for downloads? |
| 11:35.01 | mwilson | filgy: Yes, but it's xchat, so who cares what he does anyway? |
| 11:35.02 | Phated | !qotd69 is <try_catch_this> for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis. |
| 11:35.02 | dpkg | ...but qotd69 is already something else... |
| 11:35.08 | Phated | !qotd70 is <try_catch_this> for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis. |
| 11:35.08 | dpkg | ...but qotd70 is already something else... |
| 11:35.20 | Phated | What the hell? WHo's not been keeping dpkg updated? |
| 11:35.24 | rich_ | try_catch_this There is too many of them for you to choose? |
| 11:35.25 | Phated | !qotd71 is <try_catch_this> for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis. |
| 11:35.25 | dpkg | ...but qotd71 is already something else... |
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| 11:35.29 | directhex | :| |
| 11:35.34 | simonrvn | !qotd75 |
| 11:35.34 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah for most things CLI tools are the way to go. *much* more flexibale than their GUI counterparts. |
| 11:35.36 | filgy | mwilson: because it is probably the best gui irc client around.. even on the windows side it was getting real popular because of the free aspect |
| 11:35.37 | simonrvn | !qotd74 |
| 11:35.40 | simonrvn | !qotd73 |
| 11:35.42 | simonrvn | !qotd72 |
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| 11:35.49 | simonrvn | 72's cool |
| 11:36.00 | scarynetworkguy | filgy: Xchat? The best? |
| 11:36.02 | Nic_ | !qotd72 |
| 11:36.02 | dpkg | [qotd72] <try_catch_this> for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis. |
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| 11:36.04 | simonrvn | (sorry for the noise) |
| 11:36.12 | pgpkeys | xchat author needs to grow up |
| 11:36.19 | directhex | !literal qotd0 |
| 11:36.19 | dpkg | qotd0 is <reply>see qotd(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20|21|22|23|24|25|26|27|28|29|30|31|32|33|34|35|36|37|38|39|40|41|42|43|44|45|46|47|48|49|50|51|52|53|54|55|56|57|58|59|60|61|62|63|64|65|66|67|68|69|70|71|72) |
| 11:36.25 | Phated | I updated it. |
| 11:36.26 | directhex | good. it's all settles |
| 11:36.30 | directhex | *settled |
| 11:36.33 | filgy | scarynetworkguy: i'd have to say it is the best graphical one for unix (best being most used) |
| 11:36.43 | directhex | windows is most used! |
| 11:36.44 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: It is pretty good. |
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| 11:36.46 | filgy | and was getting really popular on windows as well |
| 11:36.57 | Phated | filgy: Meh, looks better on *nix. :D |
| 11:37.00 | mwilson | When did xchat become good? |
| 11:37.07 | TBBle | And as has been pointed out, bilinguality is handy. Get your UTF-8 xterm going, and half your language issues are solved. gvim gave me headaches and backchat trying to make it bilingual. |
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| 11:37.08 | directhex | i like xchat, comp[ared to the other x-based irc clients i've used |
| 11:37.17 | filgy | mwilson: name a gui client that is better? |
| 11:37.18 | phogg | mwilson: when the alternative was mirc |
| 11:37.31 | Phated | phogg: Heh. |
| 11:37.37 | pgpkeys | UTF-8 IS EVIL |
| 11:37.40 | TBBle | irssi-gui ? |
| 11:37.43 | Phated | xchat isn't bad at all. |
| 11:37.44 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: True it is not bad for a GUI client. But try doing half the stuff I do with Irssi. :) GUIs in general violate the Unix Philosophy |
| 11:37.45 | simonrvn | @lart pgpkeys |
| 11:37.51 | Phated | TBBle: Ooooh, they have those? |
| 11:37.52 | directhex | uft-8 is good |
| 11:37.54 | pgpkeys | ravenbird: ;) |
| 11:37.56 | ravenbird | [)] the smile part of a face. |
| 11:37.57 | Phated | xoz: Hahahaha. |
| 11:38.01 | Nic_ | most used means it sucks |
| 11:38.02 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here use a radeon? |
| 11:38.07 | TBBle | I thought I saw it in a package list once. |
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| 11:38.15 | Phated | Oooh. |
| 11:38.16 | Led_Zeppelin | what kernel drivers do I need for AGP, and other goodies? |
| 11:38.19 | rich_ | Unix had a gui before windows. They work fine. I dont know what the problem is. |
| 11:38.21 | directhex | Led_Zeppelin, oh dear |
| 11:38.26 | xoz | Phated: do you? |
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| 11:38.32 | Phated | xoz: Heck yes. |
| 11:38.36 | Led_Zeppelin | directhex, hehe, maybe that could be the problem :-) |
| 11:38.41 | TBBle | rich_: Sssh. We're bashing the guisogynist. |
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| 11:38.58 | Nic_ | Led_Zeppelin, it isnt radeon related. which card do you have? |
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| 11:39.01 | filgy | i'd probably use irssi but i don't have the time to remember all the commands and such for another CLI client |
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| 11:39.11 | pgpkeys | tbble: that like a guisauraus? |
| 11:39.15 | Led_Zeppelin | Nic_, ATI radeon 8500[le] |
| 11:39.16 | filgy | i use irc for fun mostly so xchat is the most convenient |
| 11:39.17 | Phated | filgy: They're about the same as in mirc... |
| 11:39.32 | Phated | filgy: Meh, if you're not a serious IRCer, you can live with using irssi. |
| 11:39.42 | directhex | Led_Zeppelin, ati or fglrx driver? |
| 11:39.43 | filgy | i'm talking about resizing windows and the focus and stuff like that |
| 11:39.44 | mwilson | Oh, yes, you have to remember every single possible command in order to use it. Why, you have to memorize all of them. As opposed to clicking at random. |
| 11:39.49 | mwilson | </sarcasm> |
| 11:39.50 | pgpkeys | phated: if you're a serious irc'er you need irssi |
| 11:39.54 | Phated | mwilson: Ooooo. |
| 11:39.54 | Nic_ | Led_Zeppelin, then I believe you have to use the open source drivers. So enable agpgart, the agp for your mobo, dri and radeon in kernel |
| 11:40.06 | Phated | pgpkeys: But if you're not a serious IRCer you can use it very well too. :) |
| 11:40.12 | pgpkeys | phated: true |
| 11:40.38 | Led_Zeppelin | directhex, that I don't know |
| 11:40.49 | Led_Zeppelin | Nic_, nice! thanks! |
| 11:40.51 | Phated | pgpkeys: Exactly. I mean, when you go into textmode, all you really need as a non-serious IRCer is a way to input text and see what people output. :) irssi does the jog -very- well. |
| 11:41.06 | directhex | Led_Zeppelin, it would have taken you a more than healthy amount of time getting fglrx to do anything, so you'll be using ati |
| 11:41.08 | Phated | TBBle: Dude, I see no irssi-gui. |
| 11:41.11 | Phated | jog* |
| 11:41.13 | Phated | job* |
| 11:41.15 | TBBle | If you're a particularly annoying IRCer, then BitchX has all the features you'd normally enable by hand. |
| 11:41.17 | Led_Zeppelin | directhex, k |
| 11:41.18 | pgpkeys | phated: agreed, and when you're ready to tap the power, learn perl and read Irssi.pm :) |
| 11:41.21 | Nic_ | I know 3 commands in irssi, /connect /join and /leave , but I use it as well as xchat |
| 11:41.25 | tikki | amazing that this channel is as active as it was years ago |
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| 11:41.35 | tikki | even moreso, almost 800 people.. how do the helpers not go blind |
| 11:41.35 | TBBle | Phated: Oh really? I could be wrong then. I ssh into my IRC clients so I never really looked too hard. |
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| 11:41.40 | Nic_ | tikki, yes debian isnt that great |
| 11:41.46 | Led_Zeppelin | brb |
| 11:41.56 | Nic_ | there should be less people |
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| 11:42.13 | tikki | Nic_: i think debian was an awesome distro and it really helped me when i started out |
| 11:42.15 | Randy | what the hell are you talking about?! |
| 11:42.30 | Phated | TBBle: Oh well, it's OK, I'm a staunch CLI-er. |
| 11:42.32 | TBBle | We could go all slackware, and give one on one support since our experts outnumber our non-experts... |
| 11:42.33 | tikki | there was a learning curve but i think it made me a better user, atleast back when i was a virgin and had more energy to spend on reading |
| 11:42.35 | pgpkeys | randy: nic_ is trolling |
| 11:42.37 | pgpkeys | forget about it |
| 11:42.42 | Nic_ | tikki, ho it was ? you started with debian ? what do you use now? |
| 11:42.47 | Nic_ | pgpkeys, I was kidding |
| 11:43.09 | Phated | Guys, guys, chill. Let's all go back to something more interesting. :) |
| 11:43.27 | xoz | Phated: lead the way. |
| 11:43.28 | TBBle | So yeah, bashing the CLI-phobic... |
| 11:43.34 | pgpkeys | tbble: hah! |
| 11:43.38 | tikki | Nic_: well now it's a mix of windows and openbsd on a dedicated firewall box but i will always have a special place in my heart for linux and GNU tools |
| 11:43.44 | potemkin | what's the latest expectation on sarge going stable? |
| 11:43.45 | pgpkeys | tbble: that's always a good topic :) |
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| 11:43.57 | Nic_ | but there are stills some thing I dislike in debian. I still havent found the ideal distrib |
| 11:44.01 | Phated | xoz: OK. Who likes sex? |
| 11:44.04 | TBBle | how do you mix Windows and OpenBSD? |
| 11:44.07 | Nic_ | tikki, ok |
| 11:44.08 | directhex | potemkin, i don't think the expected release date has shifted from sept 15th, |
| 11:44.09 | xoz | with you? |
| 11:44.11 | Phated | TBBle: You don't. |
| 11:44.14 | Phated | xoz: What? |
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| 11:44.21 | tikki | Nic_: had i moved into the IT field I might be all linux or something but my setup fits my life at this point |
| 11:44.23 | xoz | Phated: hahaha |
| 11:44.29 | directhex | Phated, well i have no objections about it |
| 11:44.34 | rich_ | Windows uses command lines too, they just dont give the user access to the command line. When you click it still executes commands, the only difference is you dont get to see or change the commands |
| 11:44.39 | potemkin | directhex, ok, that's getting real close now :) |
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| 11:44.40 | Phated | directhex: :D |
| 11:44.40 | scarynetworkguy | Yeah a mouse is the device you use to select the term you want to type in... |
| 11:44.46 | tikki | apt!! |
| 11:44.52 | tikki | apt, windows barbie |
| 11:45.02 | apt | tikki: are you using Windows? |
| 11:45.02 | Phated | xoz: Ohhhh, sex with me? I know one person who does. :D |
| 11:45.02 | rich_ | ..unless yiour one of about a dozen people in the whole world |
| 11:45.02 | TBBle | scarynetworkguy: And if you use wmi, then you don't even need a mouse for that. |
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| 11:45.10 | tikki | apt, linux barbie |
| 11:45.12 | apt | tikki: are you using Windows? |
| 11:45.13 | scarynetworkguy | TBBle: true true |
| 11:45.17 | pgpkeys | tikki: I'm in the IT field and debian, openbsd, and freebsd are all i use. desktop is windows. can't get any more diverse than that (unless you count my Solaris9 x86 as well) |
| 11:45.18 | try_catch_this | ummm the name of the download manager was what again? wget for the gui |
| 11:45.19 | xoz | Phated: in this channel? hmmm... |
| 11:45.19 | Phated | No such thing as a Linux barbie. |
| 11:45.25 | Phated | xoz: No, no. |
| 11:45.27 | try_catch_this | and what is the name of the main program? |
| 11:45.30 | Phated | xoz: Just a guy. :D |
| 11:45.31 | tikki | apt, freebsd barbie |
| 11:45.32 | apt | tikki: are you using Windows? |
| 11:45.39 | pgpkeys | tikki: though if you're going to offer up Mac OS X for me as well, I'll take it :) |
| 11:45.40 | directhex | try_catch_this, did you pay the slightest bit of attention? |
| 11:45.41 | tikki | i guess the old commands have been upgraded :) |
| 11:45.45 | az[a]zel | pgpkeys, except if you added Mac OSX, NetBSD/Alpha, etc |
| 11:45.48 | pgpkeys | directhex: haha as if! |
| 11:45.51 | try_catch_this | I cant scroll back that far |
| 11:45.52 | tikki | pgpkeys: yeah mac osx is very sexy indeed |
| 11:45.53 | Phated | TBBle: Woot. You can no longer feel like an old pervy. :D |
| 11:45.57 | xoz | Phated: ok, not a geek? |
| 11:45.57 | directhex | try_catch_this, wget is the tool. gwget2 is a gui for it, others exist |
| 11:46.04 | Phated | try_catch_this: What are you using for IRC? |
| 11:46.07 | TBBle | LOL. |
| 11:46.08 | az[a]zel | !botsex Mac OSX |
| 11:46.10 | try_catch_this | xchat |
| 11:46.18 | Phated | xoz: Oh, definitely a geek. I couldn't love a nongeek. |
| 11:46.22 | pgpkeys | az[a]zel: hrmm alphas don't do it for me, but ::shrug:: to each's own :) |
| 11:46.29 | Phated | try_catch_this: Ahh, see? With irssi you can scroll all the way back up. :D |
| 11:46.38 | Phated | Outdated, humph. |
| 11:46.39 | pgpkeys | phated: or /lastlog |
| 11:46.57 | try_catch_this | gwget2 ok thanks |
| 11:46.58 | Phated | pgpkeys: Heh. I like to use every opportunity to defend the CLI. :) |
| 11:47.01 | az[a]zel | you can set the scrollback to be arbitrarily big in xchat |
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| 11:47.07 | try_catch_this | I just didnt set that option yet |
| 11:47.09 | pgpkeys | phated: ::grin:: |
| 11:47.11 | tikki | pgpkeys: yeah that's pretty diverse but you're also paid to convert caffeine into code so you actually have productive production servers.. mine are sort of there to fill a void :) |
| 11:47.14 | try_catch_this | its in xchat preferences |
| 11:47.14 | Phated | az[a]zel: Yeah, but that's still going to limit you. :) |
| 11:47.18 | directhex | try_catch_this, or open a COMMAND LINE and type "apt-cache serach wget", see what packages are suggested |
| 11:47.23 | Phated | pgpkeys: :) |
| 11:47.38 | az[a]zel | Phated, bah.. i've tried irssi, and I think clicking a tab is much easier than /goto window 4 |
| 11:47.44 | pgpkeys | tikki: I run my own business. so i'm paid only if i succeed. therein lies the paradox of food to mouth ;) |
| 11:47.44 | try_catch_this | I only had linux for a week or so so I am not familar with everything |
| 11:47.48 | directhex | try_catch_this, you could then use a COMMAND LINE and "apt-get install wget somewgetuiofyourchoice" |
| 11:47.48 | TBBle | As opposed to Alt+4? |
| 11:47.51 | Phated | az[a]zel: How about alt-4? |
| 11:47.53 | tikki | lol |
| 11:47.56 | az[a]zel | hmm crap |
| 11:47.58 | try_catch_this | it took me a week to get my winmodem working anyway |
| 11:48.02 | simonrvn | az[a]zel: esc-## too hard for you? ;) |
| 11:48.05 | Phated | az[a]zel: You can alt-4 in xchat too... |
| 11:48.10 | tikki | pgpkeys: remmeber how golden this network was during the dot com boom |
| 11:48.12 | Phated | simonrvn: Eh, that works too? |
| 11:48.13 | az[a]zel | Phated, ah so you can |
| 11:48.17 | tikki | :) |
| 11:48.21 | TBBle | Actually, a UTF-8 xterm means you have to Esc,4. *confuzzled by metakeys* |
| 11:48.23 | simonrvn | Phated: yup. all the way to o |
| 11:48.24 | pgpkeys | try_catch_this: then shut your yap about things you don't know. a week with linux but you're going to relegate the commandline which is what linux IS (x11 just sits on top) .. yeah makes sense. |
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| 11:48.32 | az[a]zel | well see, GUI's are _discoverable_ so even if I don't know the shortcuts, I can still do things |
| 11:48.37 | Phated | az[a]zel: Yes you can indeed... and not having to move your hand off the keyboard is not a bad thing at all. |
| 11:48.40 | pgpkeys | tikki: hehe hey KiXO Linux never would have been released without it |
| 11:48.47 | tikki | I remember one guy actually used paypal to pay someone who helped him with a problem at work on here |
| 11:48.57 | try_catch_this | pgpkeys: geez stop living in the fing past |
| 11:48.59 | simonrvn | eew, paypal |
| 11:49.01 | tikki | good times |
| 11:49.01 | try_catch_this | move on |
| 11:49.02 | pgpkeys | tikki: we get that all the time. |
| 11:49.02 | Phated | az[a]zel: Dude... you can just -ask-, ya know. :) "Hey guys, is there a faster way to switch windows than /win 4?" |
| 11:49.16 | rich_ | try_catch_this I heard that win modems dont exist. They are software constructs. So it took you a week to create a modem out of no hardware, completely in software. Thats pretty good. |
| 11:49.18 | scarynetworkguy | az[a]zel: yeah everything that is doable is easy but try doing something the designer did not intend and it gets *fucking* hard |
| 11:49.19 | simonrvn | there's #irssi too |
| 11:49.19 | Phated | simonrvn: Ooooh. |
| 11:49.20 | pgpkeys | try_catch_this: umm, Unix systems ARE commandline you dolt! |
| 11:49.21 | directhex | Phated, you'd say "#irssi" thoughg |
| 11:49.25 | pgpkeys | except maybe IRIX |
| 11:49.29 | az[a]zel | Phated, then everyone will go: RTFM, "man irssi", and fgi irssi |
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| 11:49.38 | Phated | directhex: I wouldn't, I'd tell him. |
| 11:49.40 | rich_ | transmogrification |
| 11:49.41 | try_catch_this | actually Dell released drivers for my modem |
| 11:49.49 | tikki | pgpkeys: well i'll never pay someone for support, my motto is; 3 days of testing can save you from 1 hour of reading a manual |
| 11:49.50 | TBBle | A winmodem is like teaching a computer to whistle down the phone handset. |
| 11:49.50 | try_catch_this | and I had to compile them |
| 11:49.51 | Phated | az[a]zel: I'm slightly less killer than some around here. |
| 11:49.57 | pgpkeys | tikki: hahahahaha |
| 11:50.00 | directhex | try_catch_this, even windows longhorn will feature a new, bash-like command line to replace the old one, for the people who want to get more done |
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| 11:50.02 | pgpkeys | tikki: GEEK! |
| 11:50.06 | directhex | Phated, lies & hax! |
| 11:50.08 | tikki | ;) |
| 11:50.08 | Phated | TBBle: Oh, come on, in that case I might as well carry my packets around. |
| 11:50.09 | az[a]zel | scarynetworkguy, oh im not saying GUI's are better in all situations.. I rarely don't have a terminal open.. but I find GUI's to be better for interactive programs |
| 11:50.12 | Phated | directhex: Eh? |
| 11:50.14 | pgpkeys | directhex: 4NT! |
| 11:50.24 | scarynetworkguy | az[a]zel: whatever... |
| 11:50.35 | pgpkeys | 4DOS + X-Tree |
| 11:50.36 | pgpkeys | woot! |
| 11:50.40 | TBBle | Phated: Never underestimate the bandwidth of a combivan full of DAT tapes on the highway. |
| 11:50.42 | Phated | simonrvn: Nighters, sleep tight. |
| 11:50.48 | Phated | TBBle: Ahhhh... |
| 11:50.50 | az[a]zel | DOS 6 + NC |
| 11:51.00 | pgpkeys | NC? nerd! |
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| 11:51.06 | davFR | lo!! |
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| 11:51.11 | TBBle | But play Quake over one, and you're the HPB from _hell_. |
| 11:51.14 | Phated | pgpkeys: Dude. EVERYONE here is a nerd/geek... |
| 11:51.17 | az[a]zel | I wish I knew about Linux back in 1994 when I first got my PC (486) |
| 11:51.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Many. |
| 11:51.23 | durge | can someone help me with getting gnome to be my default desktop environment? |
| 11:51.31 | Guerin | pgpkeys: what should modconf do under my home-made kernel? Error on invocation, fail to load any modules, or what? |
| 11:51.32 | tikki | Phated: i was more of a dork |
| 11:51.34 | pgpkeys | phated: i had to say SOMETHING sheesh |
| 11:51.48 | jingo | anybody knows why the last jigdo update for sarge snapshot cds is from august 7th? is it because of sarge getting stable in the near future? |
| 11:51.49 | tikki | Phated: but thanks to reality television and the internet, i felt i had a life |
| 11:51.55 | pgpkeys | guerin: dude, i already explained that. if it doesn't follow that then it's been updated to handle it |
| 11:52.00 | Phated | durge: Install gdm, then boot in and select GNOME for your session, then do it as a default when they ask you. |
| 11:52.03 | TBBle | What's NC? |
| 11:52.03 | pgpkeys | so let's move on. that's so 11 minutes ago |
| 11:52.07 | Phated | tikki: Ahhhhhh... Dork. |
| 11:52.08 | pgpkeys | Norton Commander |
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| 11:52.15 | Phated | pgpkeys: Uh-huh, suure. |
| 11:52.21 | tikki | i wished i cashed in on some of my dorkyness though |
| 11:52.21 | durge | hrm |
| 11:52.23 | pgpkeys | phated: ;) |
| 11:52.26 | durge | should i update myself to Sarge? |
| 11:52.27 | tikki | you have people like pgp and then you have me lol |
| 11:52.30 | Phated | tikki: Like how? Duked one at the dunk tank? |
| 11:52.35 | TBBle | jingo: There's a note directly above the weekly Sarge CD downloads explaining what's wrong. |
| 11:52.36 | Phated | Dunked* |
| 11:52.37 | pgpkeys | tikki: shhh. i'm nothing. |
| 11:52.38 | try_catch_this | and anyone know of a good new reader? one that can read binary files etc, I never quite got one working in windows |
| 11:52.43 | Phated | pgpkeys: :D |
| 11:52.44 | Guerin | a'ight, whatever. You said you wanted me to reboot, I didn't catch much more than that before my box lost the plot. |
| 11:52.46 | try_catch_this | news reader* |
| 11:52.48 | directhex | Phated, i object to being called a nerd. geek is accurate though |
| 11:52.51 | Phated | try_catch_this: In windows, try microplanet's gravity. |
| 11:52.54 | directhex | try_catch_this, mozilla thunderbird? |
| 11:52.58 | Phated | directhex: I love the word geek. |
| 11:53.00 | az[a]zel | !nerd |
| 11:53.00 | dpkg | hmm... nerd is a geek who lacks the social skills to find a mate. a type of candy |
| 11:53.05 | az[a]zel | !geek |
| 11:53.05 | dpkg | it has been said that geek is a circus performer who bites heads off of nevyns, or a chicken who performs the circus off of byte headers, or what GenericBoy is, and most other people in this channel, if they wish to be so called, or substract the sum of all boyfriends/girlfriends you have had from the number of computers you've ever owned. if the number is positive you're a geek. |
| 11:53.13 | TBBle | Oh crap. That makes me a nerd! |
| 11:53.13 | Phated | Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah I LOVE willy wonka. |
| 11:53.14 | tikki | Phated: in a nutshell i used irc to do a lot of work for other people (who were getting paid for it) simply to increase my irc social status :) |
| 11:53.21 | try_catch_this | I had gravity in windows |
| 11:53.24 | xoz | !chicken |
| 11:53.24 | dpkg | from memory, chicken is what ody puts his dick into |
| 11:53.25 | Phated | tikki: You suck. :) |
| 11:53.28 | tikki | i do |
| 11:53.30 | tikki | i did! |
| 11:53.30 | pgpkeys | phated: goober ;) |
| 11:53.31 | Phated | try_catch_this: And? It worked for me. |
| 11:53.33 | durge | fellas should i upgrade to sarge? |
| 11:53.36 | try_catch_this | but I guess I didnt read the manuals or what ever |
| 11:53.39 | Phated | pgpkeys: Goober? |
| 11:53.40 | tikki | i've grown wiser in my old age, i'm 27 |
| 11:53.45 | az[a]zel | I'm a geek according to that definition |
| 11:53.47 | Phated | try_catch_this: Yeha, true. Why are you in Linux then? |
| 11:53.48 | jingo | TBBle: oh, didn't see that one :/ is it on gluck? do you have a url maybe? |
| 11:53.50 | try_catch_this | dam you people type fast |
| 11:53.58 | pgpkeys | phated: chocolate covered candy or geek term of joking endearment |
| 11:54.06 | scarynetworkguy | try_catch_this: yeah you just need to go away. OK? |
| 11:54.07 | try_catch_this | why I am using linux? |
| 11:54.10 | Phated | pgpkeys: Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. |
| 11:54.15 | pgpkeys | :] |
| 11:54.15 | Phated | try_catch_this: If you can't read manuals. |
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| 11:54.18 | TBBle | jingo: I dunno, whatever the URL that takes you do the sarge CDs is... I read it last week, anyway. |
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| 11:54.30 | pgpkeys | phated: <song> Am I evil?... yes I am!</song> |
| 11:54.35 | Phated | pgpkeys: Heh. |
| 11:54.43 | tikki | try_catch_this: it gives you something to do and then rewards you when you do it! |
| 11:54.43 | initech | try_catch_this: knode or slrn are ok |
| 11:54.45 | TBBle | try_catch_this: "Damn you people type fast |
| 11:54.47 | DeadLyne | hi, does anyone have expierience with damn small linux ? |
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| 11:55.00 | Phated | TBBle: Damn you made a typo. :) |
| 11:55.00 | pgpkeys | phated: I can't help it. It's in the genes(); |
| 11:55.03 | TBBle | try_catch_this: "Damn you people type fast": Don't worry, I'm sure your GUI-usage has given you the mad-fast mousing skills we've gained from typing. |
| 11:55.05 | Phated | DeadLyne: Not in #debian. |
| 11:55.08 | jingo | TBBle: ok, thx anyway |
| 11:55.10 | TBBle | Premature enterjaculation. |
| 11:55.11 | scarynetworkguy | DeadLyne: lot's of people. But since it ain't Debian most likely not here |
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| 11:55.15 | Phated | pgpkeys: Me neither, I'm pure geekoid. |
| 11:55.18 | kozan | does anybody know at which point does the directory listing (i.e. performance of ls) slows down, like after how many number of files in a directory? |
| 11:55.21 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Slow. :D |
| 11:55.24 | try_catch_this | jingo? |
| 11:55.28 | pgpkeys | phated: exactly. probably why i've been single for the last 3 years |
| 11:55.31 | DeadLyne | scarynetworkguy: what would be my right channel then? |
| 11:55.31 | Phated | kozan: After too many. :) |
| 11:55.32 | initech | kozan: 1 |
| 11:55.32 | try_catch_this | the same one? |
| 11:55.32 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah |
| 11:55.37 | pgpkeys | phated: but hey.. i got a lot of work done! |
| 11:55.40 | TBBle | kozan: Depends on your filesystem I think. |
| 11:55.43 | jingo | try_catch_this: what? |
| 11:55.45 | Phated | pgpkeys: Meh, I've been single my whole life. (NOBODY tell him my age.) |
| 11:55.51 | pgpkeys | 16 |
| 11:55.52 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *iggles* |
| 11:55.56 | try_catch_this | you in #gamedev too? |
| 11:55.57 | Phated | Shit. |
| 11:55.57 | scarynetworkguy | DeadLyne: #dsl maybe |
| 11:56.01 | DeadLyne | scarynetworkguy: anyway i think you are able to help, you did already once with the same problem i have a time ago |
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| 11:56.08 | try_catch_this | just want to know if you are the same person |
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| 11:56.10 | DeadLyne | scarynetworkguy: channel doesnt exist |
| 11:56.12 | kozan | assume the default file system, or give me a number for different file systems that you know |
| 11:56.13 | Phated | pgpkeys: Who told you? |
| 11:56.15 | jingo | try_catch_this: don't think so |
| 11:56.20 | try_catch_this | ok sorry |
| 11:56.20 | pgpkeys | phated: guessed |
| 11:56.21 | Phated | kozan: ext3? |
| 11:56.32 | Phated | pgpkeys: Damn, you're good. Everyone else goes "21". :P |
| 11:56.37 | kozan | yes ext3, or whatever file system you want |
| 11:56.41 | pgpkeys | whole life and age hiding sort of narrowed it down ;) |
| 11:56.54 | initech | kozan: how on earth can anyone answer that question? |
| 11:56.58 | Phated | kozan: Dunno, seems to slow down after a few decades of numbers. |
| 11:57.00 | directhex | pgpkeys++ |
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| 11:57.03 | Phated | initech: By guesswork. |
| 11:57.04 | pgpkeys | phated: I'm 33. it comes with age ;) |
| 11:57.07 | try_catch_this | gwget2 looks very useable |
| 11:57.08 | try_catch_this | thanks |
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| 11:57.14 | TBBle | Being 33? |
| 11:57.15 | vixus_ | Hello. |
| 11:57.18 | Phated | pgpkeys: Meh. I could have been 21 and still been sinle all my life. |
| 11:57.23 | Phated | single* |
| 11:57.23 | try_catch_this | reminds me of fresh download in a way |
| 11:57.29 | pgpkeys | phated: less chance |
| 11:57.34 | Phated | Oooh, I love freshdownload. |
| 11:57.35 | directhex | at age 16 i'd been single all my life |
| 11:57.36 | boukensya | is there an easy way to fix my permissions in my home directory that actually works? chown -R me:users /home/me usually doesn't work for me |
| 11:57.37 | vixus_ | Can someone help me setup: A) Printer B) Network printing between Windows & Debian? |
| 11:57.38 | DeadLyne | scarynetworkguy: i want to use my dsl box as NAT, forwarding connection to an other box, i edited /etc/network/interfaces and add values for eth1 there, but the other box is not pingable, any suggestions? |
| 11:57.40 | vixus_ | :) |
| 11:57.40 | Phated | pgpkeys: Define single again? |
| 11:57.46 | initech | Phated: no, in the ls source, there is a comment - */ ok now slow down horribly after this X file count /* :) |
| 11:57.48 | pgpkeys | most men will have had at least 6 partners before the age of 21 |
| 11:57.53 | pgpkeys | average statistic |
| 11:57.55 | tikki | Phated: a guy who wont give root to his wife lol |
| 11:57.56 | directhex | that's a lot |
| 11:57.56 | Phated | initech: Heh. |
| 11:57.59 | Phated | tikki: Hahaha. |
| 11:58.01 | kozan | initech: i know, not everyone can answer it, it requires some expertise about file systems |
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| 11:58.28 | Phated | pgpkeys: Now, I'm going with single meaning unmarried. If you include having had a boy/girl friend, then I'm not single. :) |
| 11:58.29 | pgpkeys | boukensya: do it as root |
| 11:58.32 | initech | kozan: generally any of the filesystems that are good at reading small files will be far faster |
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| 11:58.58 | directhex | Phated, i think generally people count boy/girlfriends as not single, since few people get married these days compared to used to |
| 11:58.58 | kozan | yes, I guess it won't scale to hundrends of thousands of files |
| 11:58.59 | Phated | pgpkeys: In his homedir? |
| 11:59.03 | pgpkeys | initech: devel box with src? |
| 11:59.07 | boukensya | pgpkeys: I always do it as root |
| 11:59.09 | Phated | directhex: Ahh, OK. I'm not single then. :) |
| 11:59.13 | kozan | for 4000 files it should be ok though, right? |
| 11:59.16 | pgpkeys | phated: as root, chown -R him:users /his/homedir |
| 11:59.22 | tikki | pgpkeys: how many people do you have working under you |
| 11:59.27 | tikki | in your business |
| 11:59.30 | pgpkeys | tikki: 4 |
| 11:59.38 | try_catch_this | well some of us may have gotten off on the wrong start, no hard feelings |
| 11:59.39 | try_catch_this | later |
| 11:59.41 | initech | kozan: at 4000 reiser will be a heck of a lot faster than ext3/2 |
| 11:59.42 | pgpkeys | we're small but it works. i like it that way |
| 11:59.48 | tikki | not bad.. |
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| 11:59.54 | Phated | pgpkeys: Ahh, yes, but if it were his homedir would he need to be root? |
| 11:59.54 | boukensya | is there maybe a permision fixer program out there? |
| 11:59.55 | tikki | yeah more and it would be like hurding cats |
| 12:00.02 | directhex | Phated, so you get full geek status. hurrah |
| 12:00.11 | Phated | pgpkeys: Oh, wait, if the file weren't owned by him he would. My bad. :) |
| 12:00.14 | Phated | directhex: Why? |
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| 12:00.17 | pgpkeys | phated: if his perms were wrong for his user or he wasn't in the group he was trying to chmod to |
| 12:00.19 | Phated | az[a]zel: *mrrrrraow* |
| 12:00.25 | RadiX20 | sziasztok |
| 12:00.28 | Phated | pgpkeys: See above, I just realised it. :) |
| 12:00.34 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hahahahahahahaha. |
| 12:00.38 | pgpkeys | phated: if he types groups he can see what ones he's in |
| 12:00.43 | Phated | directhex: Don't tell anyone, but I can't code. :) |
| 12:00.46 | RadiX20 | nem tud valaki valami jo karakteres wap bongeszot???? |
| 12:00.47 | Phated | pgpkeys: I know, I can too. :D |
| 12:00.50 | BGenesis | Can someone help me setup: A) Printer B) Network printing between Windows & Debian? |
| 12:00.54 | pgpkeys | phated: :) |
| 12:00.55 | az[a]zel | I miss my cat |
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| 12:01.00 | az[a]zel | my mum gave it away |
| 12:01.00 | pgpkeys | bgenesis: install cupsys |
| 12:01.01 | Phated | az[a]zel: Awwwwwww. |
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| 12:01.04 | BGenesis | done |
| 12:01.06 | pgpkeys | bgenesis: then look at the docs |
| 12:01.09 | Phated | az[a]zel: But why? Poor kitty. |
| 12:01.10 | BGenesis | :| |
| 12:01.12 | pgpkeys | and use the web interface |
| 12:01.18 | tikki | my ex had a cat and it did not like me lol |
| 12:01.22 | Phated | Heh. |
| 12:01.25 | az[a]zel | Phated, we moved, so she got rid of it.. didn't even tell me, so I never said goodbye |
| 12:01.26 | BGenesis | Well, I'm using the KDE printer tool, with CUPS |
| 12:01.26 | directhex | Phated, my girlfriend knew more c than me when we started going out |
| 12:01.32 | Phated | az[a]zel: Awwwwww. |
| 12:01.35 | pgpkeys | bgenesis: no clue then |
| 12:01.38 | initech | BGenesis: you would use cups and samba, but i'm not about to get into that on irc ;) |
| 12:01.39 | BGenesis | how do I setup the web interface ;_; |
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| 12:01.43 | Phated | directhex: Cool. I can't code for hell. |
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| 12:01.46 | tikki | bad first time experience with cats you could say, sort of like regex |
| 12:01.47 | BGenesis | =( |
| 12:01.49 | boukensya | hmm.. so is that a no? |
| 12:01.55 | kyll | is it possible to use 'find' to find files bigger than X bytes? i tryed `find some_dir/ -size 500k` but it only matches the exact size of 500k |
| 12:01.56 | pgpkeys | bgenesis: it's already set up on install ls /etc/init.d/cup* |
| 12:01.58 | durge | fellas how do i update my gnome its on 1.2? |
| 12:02.00 | Phated | tikki: Dude, regexp is good. |
| 12:02.13 | pgpkeys | read the scripts and see which one launches the wegb interface |
| 12:02.15 | pgpkeys | err web |
| 12:02.18 | tikki | Phated: when i first started it felt like text spaghetti |
| 12:02.18 | Phated | durge: apt-get update && apt-get install gnome |
| 12:02.21 | BGenesis | So does it just run? |
| 12:02.24 | TBBle | kyll: -size +500k I think... Man find should tell you for sure. |
| 12:02.24 | Phated | tikki: Haha. :) |
| 12:02.35 | BGenesis | I need to config some samba stuff too... which I apparently did. |
| 12:02.38 | tikki | i got over regex but not the cat |
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| 12:02.43 | Phated | tikki: Heh. |
| 12:02.47 | BGenesis | I don't think my random key-bashings and pastings did much :) |
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| 12:03.11 | boukensya | exit |
| 12:03.11 | durge | Phated |
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| 12:03.15 | durge | couldnt find package gnome |
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| 12:03.22 | BGenesis | Well.. |
| 12:03.25 | BGenesis | gah. |
| 12:03.38 | pgpkeys | tikki: {^(http://)?(\S*\.[a-zA-Z]{2,3})(/.*?)(\:([0-9]+))?$} |
| 12:03.40 | pgpkeys | :) |
| 12:03.41 | Phated | durge: Eh. Hm. |
| 12:03.42 | pgpkeys | have fun |
| 12:03.57 | tikki | opening up old wounds there buddy |
| 12:04.02 | pgpkeys | hahaha |
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| 12:05.14 | Shorty` | whats the repository for mplayer? |
| 12:05.15 | durge | so how can i do this now |
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| 12:05.45 | scarynetworkguy | heh |
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| 12:06.00 | tikki | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.10 | tikki | A+ love the name :) |
| 12:06.13 | scarynetworkguy | tikki: I'm me. |
| 12:06.22 | pgpkeys | !mplayer |
| 12:06.22 | dpkg | it has been said that mplayer is at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/ , or for debian packages, see http://hpisi.nerim.net/, or the url for debian packages moved to ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/; as for why mplayer isn't in debian, ask me about <mplayer license> |
| 12:06.27 | dgaf | durge, does it update |
| 12:06.31 | pgpkeys | !mplayer license |
| 12:06.31 | dpkg | methinks mplayer license is Many parts of MPlayer are covered by various software patents, which make it difficult for Debian to distribute MPlayer packages. Instead, grab debs from <marillat> or <rarewares>, or build them yourself. |
| 12:06.35 | kozan | thanks Phated and initech |
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| 12:06.40 | durge | well its using the stable links |
| 12:06.46 | pgpkeys | DO NOT IRC AS ROOT |
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| 12:06.50 | durge | when i do apt-cache search gnome there is no gnome package |
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| 12:06.52 | Phated | How did I help him again?? |
| 12:06.56 | Phated | -? |
| 12:06.58 | gx1 | im tryin to install python but im gettin this error when i 'make install': /usr/bin/install -c python /usr/local/bin/python2.3; /usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file '/usr/local/bin/python2.3': Permission Denied. What do i need to do? i was told not to build it as root for security reasons |
| 12:07.01 | durge | but tons of gnome-* packages |
| 12:07.06 | wishie | does anyone here know the name of the font used in the debian logo ? |
| 12:07.37 | dgaf | do you have gnome-desktop-environment |
| 12:07.39 | pgpkeys | abal: DO NOT IRC AS ROOT! It's a security hazard. any bug in your client will allow the attacker to use your root status to fuck up your machine if he/she can execute any type of script or code or gain shell access |
| 12:07.40 | Crasp | durge: so you should install the tons of gnome-* packages :) |
| 12:07.46 | tikki | scarynetworkguy: i fancied myself a network guy back in the day too, i remember running snort on the same port as my irc client so i could tail -f the decoded package captures to read what was being said in the channel i was in, good times |
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| 12:07.58 | tikki | s/package/packet |
| 12:08.00 | durge | dude theres like afucking hundred of them |
| 12:08.02 | durge | lol |
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| 12:08.07 | scarynetworkguy | tikki: nice |
| 12:08.13 | rajasun | durge: http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianGnome |
| 12:08.18 | Crasp | durge: than install the ones you want to use? |
| 12:08.43 | tikki | scarynetworkguy: finally someone who thinks so! |
| 12:08.44 | pucko | how can I tell if my pcmcia-slot is 16bit or 32bit? |
| 12:09.07 | pucko | (the slot is in a pentium 233mhz portable computer) |
| 12:09.08 | pgpkeys | !rootirc is <reply> DO NOT IRC AS ROOT! It's a security hazard. any bug in your client will allow the attacker to use your root status to fuck up your machine if he/she can execute any type of script or code or gain shell access |
| 12:09.08 | dpkg | pgpkeys: okay |
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| 12:09.43 | durge | you fellas dont understand |
| 12:09.47 | durge | apt-get install gnome does nothing |
| 12:09.50 | initech | pucko: look up the docs for that model |
| 12:09.51 | durge | cause the package doesnt exist |
| 12:09.53 | tikki | amen then they will have at your mp3s, next thing you know you have 10 gigs of country music |
| 12:10.01 | pgpkeys | durge: dude, apt-cache search gnome | less |
| 12:10.06 | wishie | no takers on the name of the font used in the debian logos/banners etc ? |
| 12:10.10 | pgpkeys | look through and find out what the meta-package is |
| 12:10.13 | Guerin | !debian font |
| 12:10.13 | scarynetworkguy | tikki: yeah you gotta have a sense of play. |
| 12:10.25 | Phated | Oooh, sense of play. |
| 12:10.30 | Phated | Vital to any linux user. |
| 12:10.38 | Guerin | !debian logo font |
| 12:10.38 | pgpkeys | DJ SHADOW! |
| 12:10.38 | dpkg | The debian logo's font is Poppl Laudation Condensed. http://www.identifont.com/show?U5 by Friedrich Poppl. |
| 12:10.46 | Phated | Oooo. |
| 12:10.48 | Guerin | dj shadow kicks arse |
| 12:10.59 | pgpkeys | damn straight |
| 12:11.05 | pucko | dj shadow is so '99 |
| 12:11.09 | pgpkeys | pucko: waaa |
| 12:11.11 | Guerin | endtroducing is one of the sweetest records of all time |
| 12:11.18 | pucko | yeah, 5 years ago |
| 12:11.20 | pgpkeys | lemme guess. DJ ENERGY IN THE HIZZOUSE! |
| 12:11.21 | durge | pgpkeys: i see nothing |
| 12:11.24 | durge | only a few things came up |
| 12:11.26 | Phated | Who's DJ shadow? |
| 12:11.31 | Guerin | pucko: nah, dj shadow is so '96 |
| 12:11.31 | tikki | my very first attempt at writing a 4 line script in linux resulted in a recursive macro.. which was cool but it was supposed to be an mp3 alarm clock and when you can't shut off your punk at 5:30am, bad things happen |
| 12:11.31 | wishie | that font is copyrighted ? |
| 12:11.32 | pgpkeys | durge: well, then look at their entries |
| 12:11.35 | wishie | so debian pays to use it ? |
| 12:11.45 | pucko | guerin, yeah, perhaps even so |
| 12:11.52 | Guerin | wishie: no, they use an image, not the font |
| 12:12.00 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yuppers :D |
| 12:12.00 | TBBle | When I su - I get fstat: Value too large for defined data type before the prompt... How do I trace this down? |
| 12:12.03 | Phated | tikki: Heh. Nice. |
| 12:12.07 | Guerin | wishie: the person who created the image presumably paid a fee to use it |
| 12:12.08 | wishie | Guerin: sneaky. |
| 12:12.08 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 12:12.17 | DeadLyne | scarynetworkguy: , dont want to help me? |
| 12:12.36 | Guerin | wishie: and to answer your question, all fonts are copyrighted |
| 12:12.38 | vorpal | tiki, surely you knew about the power button even back then? :) |
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| 12:12.43 | tikki | yeah everytime you tried to kill it, it spawned a new punk mp3 and kept the other |
| 12:12.54 | Phated | vorpal: No one in Linux -uses- the power button. ;) |
| 12:12.58 | durge | this is bs |
| 12:12.59 | Guerin | tikki: I had a flatmate like you once |
| 12:13.04 | pgpkeys | guerin: except those released to the public domain which means that the public holds the copyright and thus can freely modify :) |
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| 12:13.05 | durge | no wonder linux isnt used by tons of people |
| 12:13.09 | pucko | I love the hiphop documentary 'Scratch' where they interview dj shadow in a basement stuffed with way too many old vinyl records |
| 12:13.13 | tikki | vorpal: it's really sad but at the time it never occured to me to shut it down or turn off the speakers lol |
| 12:13.20 | pgpkeys | durge: umm, yeah ok. you just believe that |
| 12:13.28 | Phated | vorpal: See what I mean? :) |
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| 12:13.30 | tikki | even in a semi-conscious state, i tried to find a way to solve it via software |
| 12:13.30 | pucko | then it all makes so much sense :) |
| 12:13.30 | Guerin | tikki: except he just came home tripping at 3am and played bass when I had to work at 6 |
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| 12:13.38 | TBBle | durge: If you're getting BS, you're asking the wrong questions. |
| 12:13.48 | pgpkeys | durge: your inability to use the toolsets (probably because you didn't read any of the docs) does not mean people don't use the OS |
| 12:13.57 | tikki | Guerin: hehe |
| 12:14.12 | Saw^ | If I put "g xxxä" to konqueror's location bar, it just tries to search xxx? not xxxä (xxxae), why might it be like this? |
| 12:14.13 | Guerin | durge: what's your problem? |
| 12:14.16 | durge | im not an idiot |
| 12:14.21 | wishie | so, how could i go about obtaining a high quality debian logo ? so i can use it in other images i want to make.. ? |
| 12:14.25 | Phated | Guerin: He wants to upgrade sarge. |
| 12:14.33 | durge | i do apt-get install gnome and it says no package available |
| 12:14.33 | Guerin | Phated: to what? |
| 12:14.34 | tikki | so i learned that morning a simple lesson.. while true means always fucking true lol |
| 12:14.36 | wishie | ie: a nice big high quality image, with transparent background..thats what im after |
| 12:14.37 | durge | hwo is that my fault |
| 12:14.40 | Guerin | !info gnome sarge |
| 12:14.41 | Phated | wishie: How about googling for "Debian logos?" you can probably find a few sites. |
| 12:14.44 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 50.sarge.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
| 12:14.44 | pgpkeys | durge: never said you were, but your lack of skills with apt shows you ahven't either used it often or bothered to read the docs |
| 12:14.47 | Phated | Guerin: He has 1.2 or something/ |
| 12:14.47 | pgpkeys | one of the 2 |
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| 12:14.54 | Guerin | gnome 1.2? |
| 12:15.01 | Guerin | durge: you have gnome 1.2? |
| 12:15.03 | rich_ | durge Most people use linux. Those things that use windows dont code so they dont count. I mean if something has no effect, it does not exist, like a tree falling in the forest with no one to hear. |
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| 12:15.11 | wishie | Phated: yeah, didnt find a nice big 'debian' as yet though.. but ill keep searching |
| 12:15.11 | pgpkeys | rich i wouldn't say most |
| 12:15.25 | Guerin | wishie: ask on one of the mailing lists. |
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| 12:15.28 | rich_ | pgpkeys The rest use other unixs |
| 12:15.29 | durge | guerin : yes |
| 12:15.29 | dgaf | durge, is that woody or potato |
| 12:15.31 | pgpkeys | rich_: there's actually more of a following for the *BSDs but that's due to age of the various projects |
| 12:15.35 | durge | woody |
| 12:15.40 | pgpkeys | rich_: actually the most used OS is windows |
| 12:15.41 | Guerin | durge: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 12:15.42 | scarynetworkguy | wishie: go to http://www.debianplanet.org they have a link to some very nice artwork |
| 12:15.50 | tikki | i remember my first year with linux i actually was concerned when i got my apartment's lease in the mail and thought about renewing it just so i could keep my 300+ day uptime |
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| 12:15.52 | wishie | thanks |
| 12:16.06 | pgpkeys | tikki: hahaha geekdom!@ |
| 12:16.07 | rich_ | pgpkeys Theres not a windows user on the internet who isnt useing unix |
| 12:16.11 | Guerin | durge: you're using woody. To install a new version of gnome you need to install debian sarge, aka testing. |
| 12:16.12 | tikki | ;) |
| 12:16.18 | dgaf | if you want to keep using woody, add backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:16.28 | pgpkeys | rich_: using a unix patterned subsystem does not mean they're using unix. |
| 12:16.28 | durge | oh ok |
| 12:16.33 | dgaf | otherwise upgrade to sarge |
| 12:16.34 | durge | let me upgrade the distro now |
| 12:16.34 | Guerin | durge: follow the instructions in that factoid, and you'll be sorted. |
| 12:16.40 | durge | thx guerin |
| 12:16.44 | Phated | wishie: I remember something somewhere... Can't remember where from, though. Sorry. |
| 12:16.46 | durge | how does sarge run? |
| 12:16.47 | pgpkeys | and there's almost an equal tie between IIS and Apache if you mean the web server |
| 12:16.57 | durge | i apologize im just new and trying to learn |
| 12:17.00 | rich_ | pgpkeys useing a unix isp, with unix routers and unix gateways and unix news and mail servers means useing unix. |
| 12:17.00 | durge | thx again |
| 12:17.07 | pgpkeys | rich_: wrong |
| 12:17.08 | Guerin | dgaf: a full gnome 2.x on woody? That amount of backports puts the ph33r in me. |
| 12:17.08 | rd | hi, i've just installed wine. i tried to execute any windows application but the fonts are messed up. i can't read anything. what should i do? |
| 12:17.17 | pgpkeys | rich_: it means the ISP is |
| 12:17.22 | Guerin | rd: ask the people in #winehq |
| 12:17.28 | dgaf | durge, no I didn't say 2.x |
| 12:17.29 | rd | thanks Guerin |
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| 12:17.43 | rich_ | pgpkeys I wish they didnt use unix, because without doing so, they are incapable of getting on the internet |
| 12:17.46 | dgaf | s/durge/Guerin |
| 12:18.06 | rich_ | pgpkeys Theyd still be useing bbs's |
| 12:18.08 | dgaf | if durge wants 2.x he has to go to Sarge |
| 12:18.09 | pgpkeys | rich_: THEY don't use unix, the ISP does. there's a big difference. |
| 12:18.16 | Guerin | dgaf: indeed. |
| 12:18.44 | durge | hrm |
| 12:18.59 | pgpkeys | rich_: and there are MANY isps that use all windows for connecting to the internet. Windows Server is quite capable of dishing out internet connections |
| 12:19.01 | tikki | pgpkeys: heh i I wanted to install UnicOS but my apartment isn't fitted for liquid nitrogen. |
| 12:19.02 | durge | whats the path to put in the sources.list |
| 12:19.10 | durge | i changed it but its all screwed up heh |
| 12:19.16 | dgaf | change stable to testing |
| 12:19.17 | pgpkeys | tikki: keep it up i'm reverting you back to XENIX |
| 12:19.21 | tikki | lol |
| 12:19.25 | jhair | does the cray fit in your room tikki? |
| 12:19.27 | Guerin | durge: wherever it says "stable" or "woody", put "sarge" |
| 12:19.31 | tikki | precursor to windows, where do i sign up |
| 12:19.35 | pgpkeys | ::shudder:: that even scares ME |
| 12:19.37 | Guerin | durge: don't change anything else |
| 12:19.41 | durge | ok |
| 12:19.53 | Guerin | durge: the file is /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:20.02 | rich_ | pgpkeys Not just the isp, unix will always be the industrial and academic standard. Windows competed with apple over the clerical standard and linux is about to take that too |
| 12:20.13 | pgpkeys | rich_: hahaha! as if |
| 12:20.28 | tikki | atleast xenix gets a flavor bonus over vms imho |
| 12:20.33 | hearsay | Linux and Hi-MD. Is there something usable yet? |
| 12:20.52 | Guerin | rich_: tell thaat to all the engineers who need CAD programs, and all the graphic designers who need photoshop. |
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| 12:21.13 | durge | yes ty guerin im editing it now |
| 12:21.13 | TBBle | What's Hi-MD? |
| 12:21.15 | pgpkeys | rich_: dude, you need to get away from the rhetorics. cause you're definitely being brainwashed. Linux will never take teh desktop on a serious level until it has open source applications on the par of DreamWeaver, Office, 3D Studio Max, ACT!, and PeachTree |
| 12:21.29 | pgpkeys | s/teh/the/ |
| 12:21.34 | tikki | i have to agree with pgp on that |
| 12:21.45 | Nic_ | anyone's using reiser4 ? |
| 12:21.46 | hearsay | TBBle: Sony Hi-MD is the successor of the Minidisc, but with 1 GB capacity |
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| 12:22.00 | Guerin | Nic_: not if anyone's sane. |
| 12:22.05 | pgpkeys | tikki: he won't cause it's l33t to consider linux capable of taking the desktop so he can "stick it to da' man!" |
| 12:22.08 | TBBle | hearsay: Wow, neat. I doubt it, unless Sony's decided that Linux is _not_ evil recently? |
| 12:22.15 | TBBle | Is OpenOffice not on the par of MS Office? |
| 12:22.27 | TBBle | What _is_ PeachTree? |
| 12:22.27 | pgpkeys | tbble: no |
| 12:22.29 | Nic_ | Guerin, I had the feeling nobody was sane there :) |
| 12:22.30 | tikki | hehe yeah zealots suck |
| 12:22.30 | Guerin | TBBle: no. |
| 12:22.32 | pgpkeys | tbble: accounting software |
| 12:22.37 | rich_ | Guerin Tell that to the hospitals doing medical imageing or the phone companies, or the isps. Without unix thered be none of those things. All the jobs you mentioned are basically clerical and even they are sick of windows |
| 12:22.47 | DeadLyne | how can i COMPLETELY uninstall an application with all configuring files. just really everything? |
| 12:23.04 | danboid | pgp: True, Linux does need big, powerful apps of that quality but they don't necesarily need to be open source- although that would be preferable of course. |
| 12:23.04 | Guerin | rich_: engineering, architecture, and high level graphic design are absolutely not clerical. |
| 12:23.05 | pgpkeys | rich_: being SICK of windows and windows no longer being the office standard are two WHOLEY different things |
| 12:23.07 | hearsay | TBBle: There was a Linux kit fpr PS2. But there might be several Sonys out there. |
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| 12:23.16 | rich_ | Guerin Even they are prefering things like beos and other systems that are better than windows |
| 12:23.24 | pgpkeys | danboid: well, let's just say lower cost then :) |
| 12:23.30 | rich_ | os/f |
| 12:23.31 | Guerin | rich_: that's bullshit. |
| 12:23.32 | wishie | i found it... heh.. 3268 x 925 pixels debian text |
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| 12:23.46 | rich_ | I mean os/x |
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| 12:24.06 | TBBle | DeadLyne: Use the --purge option of apt-get. You may want to read it's full definition in the manpage first though, or face the consequences. |
| 12:24.24 | terraces | Hi, someone knows ho to setup firefox tu use java web start ? (I'm using java debian package made with z42.de) |
| 12:24.25 | DeadLyne | TBBle: thx |
| 12:24.25 | Guerin | rich_: I don't know a single person in any of those professions, including several animators from the LotR crew, who can use anything bar windows or MacOS because of doftware considerations. |
| 12:24.35 | tikki | i found selling linux to people is a lot harder than it appears without losing them in the process.. some people just dont care about technical superiority comments and simply stick with the devil they know than they one they dont |
| 12:24.36 | pgpkeys | rich_: hell even the fucking Veterans Administration, one of THE largest government clerical offices is all windows. So is the DoD and MILPERS |
| 12:24.46 | rich_ | I honestly wish all the windows users would stop useing unix. Let them have their network, we will have ours |
| 12:24.50 | TBBle | hearsay: There was a Linux Kit for PS/2. I own one. It was proof that Sony considered Linux evil. It was released mainly to distract the people who were using modchips to run linux on the PS2. |
| 12:24.50 | tikki | like i remember i tried to sell linux to my mom back in the day, it didn't work out |
| 12:24.57 | pgpkeys | so to say that Linux is going to take over the desktop ANY time soon is absolute stupidity |
| 12:25.09 | rich_ | Id write them a netwok if it would help |
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| 12:25.21 | jhair | pgpkeys, who cares if takes the desktop or not? |
| 12:25.23 | pgpkeys | ooo, ELISTISM! |
| 12:25.28 | pgpkeys | jhair: rich_ |
| 12:25.33 | Phated | pgpkeys: Oooh, who? |
| 12:25.38 | TBBle | The Australian Veterans Affairs Department, on the other hand, is a big fan of Linux 'cause it means they can use their money for _veterans_. |
| 12:25.42 | Nic_ | well debian is a great distrib, but not enough fun for me |
| 12:25.45 | pgpkeys | phated: rich_ (again) |
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| 12:25.49 | danboid | The latest DeMuDi won't install on my machine. Anyone know of a Debian based distro that comes with a JACK-capable kernel out of the box? |
| 12:25.54 | Phated | pgpkeys: Meh, he's OK. |
| 12:26.05 | dgaf | that stupid disney doesn't know shit. How dare they make animated movies on Linux |
| 12:26.29 | Nic_ | even sid is too stable, not funny things like xorg, reiser4 and some others |
| 12:26.32 | pgpkeys | tbble: i actually bid on a contract TO switch the regional VA here to linux. |
| 12:26.35 | TBBle | rich_: We _have_ our own network. IPv6. Just as long as MS never finishes the IPv6 support in WinXP... |
| 12:26.45 | Guerin | TBBle: hahah |
| 12:26.50 | Phated | Will they -ever-? |
| 12:26.58 | pgpkeys | tbble: heheh |
| 12:26.59 | Guerin | TBBle: ipv6 ain't YOUR network, it's ASIA's network. |
| 12:27.08 | Phated | \o/ for ASIA! |
| 12:27.08 | pgpkeys | guerin: that's IPv9 |
| 12:27.27 | Phated | Interesting. |
| 12:27.42 | Nic_ | I'm going to asia now |
| 12:27.57 | Guerin | pgpkeys: ? |
| 12:28.13 | tikki | besides lets face it.. look at the OS's people used 5 years ago and look at them now.. what has changed? nothing really. the windows people are still using windows, the mac people haven't given up their macs.. and the programmers are still using some flavor of unix |
| 12:28.13 | pgpkeys | IPv6 will never be a US thing until companies and the government figure out how to charge like RIPE ans ARIN do for the address space on par to what they charge for the current IPv4 space |
| 12:28.14 | Phated | pgpkeys: That would be Austrailia, silly. |
| 12:28.23 | Guerin | TBBle: oh, I know anyonce can USE ipv6, but the infrastructure is in Japan, China and KOrea. |
| 12:28.31 | pgpkeys | guerin: i was cracking a joke with China's announcement of IPv9 |
| 12:28.38 | Phated | tikki: I used Windows five years ago. :| So stop being elitist. |
| 12:28.39 | Guerin | TBBle: that's also where the r&d is, and where the adoption is. |
| 12:28.48 | Nic_ | Phated, its cheaper for building comp ? |
| 12:28.53 | Guerin | pgpkeys: heh, when did they announce that? |
| 12:28.55 | hearsay | TBBle: At the moment SonicStage® from Sony has to be used (for up/downloading music). Available neither for Mac nor Linux. But I'm not sure about data transfers. |
| 12:28.56 | pgpkeys | guerin: Ummmm no. IPv6 infrastructure is in Europe |
| 12:29.01 | tikki | i'd say about 5 years ago i was all linux but i know what you mean Phated |
| 12:29.02 | Phated | Nic_: :P |
| 12:29.06 | pgpkeys | guerin: hrmm week or 2 ago iirc |
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| 12:29.12 | Nic_ | lol |
| 12:29.17 | Phated | tikki: Exactly. I was Windows till about 3 months ago... |
| 12:29.18 | scarynetworkguy | tikki: stop trolling it's getting boring |
| 12:29.43 | Nic_ | Phated, well all the things we buy come from asian, so I'm asking |
| 12:29.45 | rich_ | It really gets down to what you cansider a person. Evolution depends on programer hours. If it can not program, it generates zero programer hours. Thats why operateing systems like windows will always be dependant on unix, and right now I believe linux to be the most popular linux. I know thats debateable |
| 12:29.54 | tikki | i was just a poweruser, most of us who aren't in the intustry or aspiring to be but still stick around this enviornment are a unique blend of power users, home hobbiests, and maybe some dork thrown in :) |
| 12:29.54 | pgpkeys | guerin: I'm a downstream of OCCAID (www.occaid.org) and we were discussing it in our efnet channel |
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| 12:30.02 | TBBle | And as you say, anyone can use it. But Windows users can't. Windows XP has a stack if you have a ravD or can deal with a pretty obscure command syntax that makes Cisco look like /etc/network/interfaces. But the XP _dialler_ doesn't do IPv6. |
| 12:30.17 | pgpkeys | i bgp peer a /44 and 4 * /48s through them. (they provide my transit) |
| 12:30.17 | tikki | scarynetworkguy: who's trolling? |
| 12:30.18 | rich_ | I mean I believe linux to be the most popular unix |
| 12:30.27 | scarynetworkguy | Nic_: Asia is a *big* place. To the extent ath terms like Asian have almost no meaning at all |
| 12:30.32 | pgpkeys | rich_: then you'd be wrong in your belief |
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| 12:30.55 | rich_ | pgpkeys You really think theres more people useing bsd? |
| 12:31.02 | pgpkeys | rich_: i KNOW there is |
| 12:31.15 | TBBle | My upstream just told me that IPv6 isn't on their roadmap. So I'm upstream-shopping a little. Gonna get me an AS, and make it a buyer's market. |
| 12:31.25 | pgpkeys | i see this network has not lost it's lugnuts <g> |
| 12:31.26 | Guerin | pgpkeys: I dunno about the rest of yurp, but afaik, spain and france's ipv6 things are in collaboration with 6bone - the originators. |
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| 12:31.40 | tikki | lol |
| 12:31.49 | t-jack | Funny how many variants of README there are on sharenets. It's almost like a horde of overbearingly attentionseeking children. |
| 12:31.57 | tikki | Guerin: is it true france passed a law to change the name of email |
| 12:31.59 | pgpkeys | t-jack: hahahahaha |
| 12:32.07 | TBBle | t-jack: *LOL& |
| 12:32.08 | rich_ | Then where are they? I remember when stanford university used bsd and switched to sun/os and later solaris, but through it all they recomended linux to the students. So where all those bsd users? |
| 12:32.30 | tikki | i read something a while back about how they felt the word email was too americanized so they changed it to something long and obscure like carte electronique or something |
| 12:32.46 | rich_ | Are you counting thoings like os/x as a bsd derivative? |
| 12:32.56 | pgpkeys | rich_: most of the national infrastructure in the US alone is *BSD, HP-UX, or Solaris. Linux is a small fry in that community. |
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| 12:33.10 | tikki | hocky pux lol |
| 12:33.15 | xoz | pgpkeys: NASA is using linux. |
| 12:33.16 | Led_Zeppelin | just want to make sure, can I hook up a switch to my cable modem. And then hook up 2 routers to the switch? |
| 12:33.23 | TBBle | tikki: The French language institute has a history of trying to remove certain Englishism from the language... I believe a word borrowed from Weekend was a good example last year. |
| 12:33.26 | pgpkeys | but then again you know mor ethan me who's been a linux advocate for the last 10 years as well as a core developer for the LPIC-2. |
| 12:33.36 | Phated | xoz: NASA was using DOS. |
| 12:33.49 | TBBle | I thought NASA used spaceships.... |
| 12:33.50 | Phated | pgpkeys: Dude. Drop it, man. :) |
| 12:33.53 | Phated | TBBle: :P |
| 12:33.54 | t-jack | Isn't Yahoo! using Linux? |
| 12:33.54 | xoz | pgpkeys: the fastest supercomps is using linux cluster ... even google. |
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| 12:34.01 | pgpkeys | xoz: a RECENT change for their in-house stuff. NASA uses linux for their clustering since linux's *clustering* capabilities is stronger than any other OS |
| 12:34.05 | xoz | Phated: yep... very antiquated. |
| 12:34.07 | Phated | .sg's .mil/intelligence uses Linux. |
| 12:34.11 | Phated | So hush. |
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| 12:34.16 | Phated | xoz: Ahh. |
| 12:34.24 | pgpkeys | t-jack: no, yahoo uses freebsd |
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| 12:34.36 | t-jack | Ah |
| 12:34.42 | Phated | Guys, who cares. -We- use Linux, 's all that matters... |
| 12:34.51 | rajasun | Phated: becareful what you are telling the others...we might be watched by the ISD you know? ;0 |
| 12:34.59 | t-jack | Phated, :p :) |
| 12:35.00 | rich_ | pgpkeys All the major computer dealers sell computers with linux installed.Big computers that windows cant even run on. The space shuttle uses linux. The us military just bought three new linux based systems for soldiers, . I dont know if your living in a dream world or your just trolling, but you dont seem to have any idea what it takes to maintain your windows. It requires unix. |
| 12:35.01 | pgpkeys | phated: I'm just having fun debunking rich_ |
| 12:35.02 | Phated | rajasun: Ah-hah! I KNEW you were .sg! |
| 12:35.11 | Phated | pgpkeys: Well, we're not having fun watching. |
| 12:35.11 | Guerin | tikki: no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me. |
| 12:35.14 | rajasun | Phated: ;) |
| 12:35.15 | Phated | t-jack: :) |
| 12:35.19 | rich_ | Your windows programers could not talk to each other on the phone without unix. |
| 12:35.28 | rich_ | They dont have the number crunching ability |
| 12:35.39 | pgpkeys | BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 12:35.42 | Phated | rajasun: I know it was -something- you said to someone once... enuf? or something like that. |
| 12:35.49 | Guerin | TBBle: sorry, I never got around to asking - where are you, if not in the US?? Au? |
| 12:35.51 | pgpkeys | phated: nevermind, you're right. this cat isn't worth it |
| 12:35.54 | TBBle | Yes. |
| 12:35.58 | Led_Zeppelin | are there security apt mirrors? |
| 12:36.02 | tikki | pgpkeys: terrible lol |
| 12:36.04 | rich_ | Thats makes all commerce and communication impossible without unix |
| 12:36.09 | rajasun | Phated: hmmm |
| 12:36.10 | tikki | pgpkeys: glad you're back? :) |
| 12:36.17 | TBBle | Led_Zeppelin: Not really. It'd defeat the point of 'security' somewhat. |
| 12:36.18 | pgpkeys | tikki: not really but i can deal with it |
| 12:36.20 | t-jack | pgpkeys, Let's face it, Unix ownz hte World. |
| 12:36.25 | pgpkeys | tikki: i've seen his time too often. |
| 12:36.35 | pgpkeys | t-jack: agreed. but linux does not ;) |
| 12:37.21 | rich_ | pgpkeys Linux is a relatively new development, but bsd is sooo 1970's |
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| 12:37.32 | t-jack | pgpkeys, After all, Linux is but a Unix variant designed on PCs. Not IBM, the other one. |
| 12:37.34 | pgpkeys | phated: i added him to /ignore so you won't have to deal with me laughing in his face ;) |
| 12:37.35 | Phated | pgpkeys: Whatever way you want to see it. We're all Linux-ers, who cares about everyone else. |
| 12:37.43 | Phated | pgpkeys: Either way. |
| 12:37.54 | pgpkeys | t-jack: Oh i know he's just trying to pass off linux as the 'king'. Only reason I';m debating him |
| 12:38.12 | TBBle | http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl1077762160d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=12615%40star.cs.vu.nl |
| 12:38.13 | pgpkeys | t-jack: but he's on ignore now so.. let him debate with himself :) |
| 12:38.14 | Phated | rajasun: Yeah, you were helping -someone-... Long time ago, but there was some you said that my friend always said... A definite .sg slang. |
| 12:38.20 | TBBle | Whoops. |
| 12:38.29 | tikki | personally speaking i have to admit that linux didn't really help the transition to openbsd as much as i thought it would, short of bash but even that had some caveats since i was so used to gnu extensions |
| 12:38.34 | Phated | pgpkeys: Er, dude. I think Linux pretty much rocks too. |
| 12:38.52 | Phated | s/some/something/ |
| 12:38.55 | rajasun | Phated: ahh vaguely |
| 12:38.59 | pgpkeys | phated: ask tikki who I am and you'll know i do too. i'm just looking at it from a different angle |
| 12:39.00 | rich_ | My orthopedic neck surgeon uses irix. So no unix really has a monopoly on everything, they each have their niche. Linux on the other hand has a mass ive number of users that far outnumbers the rest. Maybe because its free |
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| 12:39.04 | TBBle | "Writing a new OS only for the 386 in 1991 gets you your second 'F' for this term." -- Andy Tannenbaum to Linux Torvalds. (Terribly out of context though.) |
| 12:39.09 | scarynetworkguy | it's just the going on and on and on about it. Wanking pure and simple |
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| 12:39.18 | Phated | rajasun: Yeah, but never mind. :) Hello, friend. |
| 12:39.20 | Guerin | linux does rock; I don't think anyone;s disputing that. But it ain't the holy grail. |
| 12:39.21 | rajasun | Phated: but memory is sure failing me at mid-30s |
| 12:39.27 | Phated | pgpkeys: Ahhh, but never mind. :) |
| 12:39.27 | t-jack | pgpkeys, I missed too much of this conversation. I thought you were the detractor/offender, with whom I was debating for the shear joy of it. :P :) I'll back off now. ;) |
| 12:39.28 | pgpkeys | guerin: hear hear! |
| 12:39.31 | Phated | rajasun: Meh, don't worry. |
| 12:39.43 | pgpkeys | t-jack: no that was rich_ :) |
| 12:39.47 | scarynetworkguy | some people just need to get the fuck over themselves |
| 12:39.48 | rajasun | Phated: hehe hihi 80) |
| 12:39.56 | t-jack | pgpkeys, OK :) |
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| 12:40.12 | pgpkeys | scarynetworkguy: err? |
| 12:40.17 | Phated | rajasun: Hahaha. :) |
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| 12:40.34 | pgpkeys | bored over there? ;) |
| 12:40.36 | rajasun | Phated: :) |
| 12:40.37 | Phated | TBBle: Ummm, -Linus- Torvalds... |
| 12:40.40 | Phated | rajasun: :) |
| 12:40.46 | TBBle | Oh crap, what'd I write? |
| 12:40.51 | t-jack | raja, Alzheimers at 34? I don't feel so bad now, at 39. ;) |
| 12:40.57 | TBBle | D'oh. I _corrected_ that and did it _again_. |
| 12:41.05 | pgpkeys | t-jack: whew. someone older than me. COOL! |
| 12:41.09 | Phated | TBBle: :) |
| 12:41.23 | Phated | Oh, come off it, guys. I'm younger than all of you. :D |
| 12:41.23 | t-jack | pgpkeys, Heh :) |
| 12:41.23 | scarynetworkguy | pgpkeys: not you rich_ |
| 12:41.23 | pgpkeys | tbble: not an ispell junkie i take it ;) |
| 12:41.24 | rajasun | mt-jack: it's scary when u hav folks in your bloodline with the condition...no joke |
| 12:41.25 | tikki | it's all downhill after 21, you start losing hair in places you had it and growing it in places you didnt |
| 12:41.34 | pgpkeys | scarynetworkguy: ::grin:: just pickin' |
| 12:41.45 | scarynetworkguy | pgpkeys: yup |
| 12:41.54 | rich_ | I admit Im biased, because Ive never really lknown anything besides unix, and so linux for me meant not haveing to walk a quarter mile to use the industrial computers which of course ran unix. |
| 12:42.05 | Phated | tikki: You start the growing bit at about 13-15... |
| 12:42.17 | t-jack | tikki, You propose euthenasia? |
| 12:42.22 | pgpkeys | hahaha, I'm so not touching 'growin' |
| 12:42.29 | Phated | Woot for Linux. Now let's all go back to flaming Gentoo. And not our own kind... |
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| 12:42.34 | tikki | Phated: i read in some medican journal the human brain doesn't fully mature until 26 |
| 12:42.41 | tikki | s/medican/medical |
| 12:42.43 | TBBle | Does ispell distinguish linux and linus? |
| 12:42.43 | t-jack | tikki, Before we all start looking like monkeys? |
| 12:42.51 | TBBle | It's cleverer than I realised. |
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| 12:43.12 | Phated | tikki: Sure. :) |
| 12:43.19 | pgpkeys | tbble: go go gadget ispell! |
| 12:43.24 | tikki | your perspective on things will change around 25-27 |
| 12:43.25 | rajasun | t-jack: yes and before that we were but single cell featureless iidots |
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| 12:43.28 | nion | hi |
| 12:43.33 | Phated | pgpkeys: Ever heard of tab complete? |
| 12:43.45 | pgpkeys | phated: yep just used it to complete your nick |
| 12:43.48 | Phated | nion: Hello, you've stepped into a debate. Good luck, here's your crash helmet. :) |
| 12:43.49 | tikki | you wont watch the same tv shows you used to, you wont look or think about certain people the same way, etc |
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| 12:43.58 | Phated | pgpkeys: Then why would it complete in lowercase? |
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| 12:44.02 | pgpkeys | phated: i also have it set to lower case nicks |
| 12:44.03 | nion | i have a problem with the postfix installation in testing. everytime i write a mail i get this: postdrop: warning: unable to look up public/pickup: No such file or directory |
| 12:44.06 | nion | anyone an idea? |
| 12:44.09 | Phated | pgpkeys: Ooooh, how? |
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| 12:44.21 | pgpkeys | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:44.50 | pgpkeys | phated: for me I use CAPS to signify stress |
| 12:44.52 | t-jack | rajasun, So... foetal development evokes evolutionary progression, advanced age reverses this impression. |
| 12:45.05 | pgpkeys | phated: keeps me from having to run the gambit to use *s |
| 12:45.08 | pgpkeys | or _ |
| 12:45.11 | PerfDave | Oh dear, is it random pointless argument Saturday? |
| 12:45.19 | pgpkeys | perfdave: per usual |
| 12:45.27 | tikki | t-jack: i couldn't possibly fail to disagree with you less lol |
| 12:45.34 | tikki | (: |
| 12:45.37 | Phated | pgpkeys: Ooooo. |
| 12:45.43 | scarynetworkguy | yeah and then Sunday next. Oh joy.. |
| 12:45.44 | pgpkeys | phated: ;] |
| 12:45.56 | pgpkeys | scarynetworkguy: and you expected different? |
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| 12:46.03 | t-jack | tikki, It was just a tentative thesis, anyway. :P |
| 12:46.18 | directhex | scarynetworkguy, wasn't permasunday declared about a month ago? i don't think it's stopped. |
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| 12:46.21 | vipersniper | i did an "apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8" and i check /usr/src, i get kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2, does it not unzip it |
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| 12:46.33 | scarynetworkguy | directhex: yes we are in the middle of |
| 12:46.34 | pgpkeys | phated: well usually CAPS are yelling. but most of the techs i hang with use it to stress specific words rather than as a yelling technique, which is why 99% of my stuff is lowercase |
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| 12:46.44 | scarynetworkguy | "The Sunday that never ends" |
| 12:46.52 | Phated | pgpkeys: Ahhhh... |
| 12:46.56 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Aaaaaaaaah! |
| 12:46.57 | pgpkeys | scarynetworkguy: 'Any given sunday' |
| 12:46.58 | t-jack | tikki, Bah. I hate tripple negatives. Thanks for agreeing. |
| 12:46.59 | directhex | vipersniper, no, it doesn't extract it. use "tar jxvf kernel-source-2.6.8.tar.bz2" |
| 12:47.06 | Phated | vipersniper: Nope. |
| 12:47.07 | tikki | hehe |
| 12:47.23 | Phated | directhex: Ohh, that's what works for bzipped files? Cool. |
| 12:47.41 | pgpkeys | phated: yes, the j does bz2 files |
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| 12:47.44 | pgpkeys | x is for gz |
| 12:47.48 | Phated | pgpkeys: Ooo, thanks. |
| 12:47.53 | Guerin | i actually liked any given sunday |
| 12:47.56 | pgpkeys | some distribs use I for bz2 |
| 12:48.08 | directhex | x is for extract |
| 12:48.12 | directhex | z is for gz |
| 12:48.16 | pgpkeys | hasn't standardized yet though most are going to j so that's probably going to become the standard |
| 12:48.16 | Phated | Actually, z is for gzip2... xvvf by itself only does .tar. |
| 12:48.19 | Guerin | I mean, Al Pacino is the man and all, but usually sports filmss are fucking horrible |
| 12:48.21 | Phated | \o/ I remembered something/ |
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| 12:48.25 | pgpkeys | directhex: ahh correct thanks for the catch |
| 12:48.31 | TBBle | j is for bzip2... By elimination. |
| 12:48.36 | Phated | Hahah. |
| 12:48.49 | directhex | !beer phated |
| 12:48.49 | xukun | I just installed debian woody. When I do "shutdown -h now" it does not shutdown. it says at the end "power down" but is does not shutdown |
| 12:48.57 | t-jack | tiki Even my trickster pooka, of which portrayal I am legendary, only pulled off one tripple negative in 5 +years RP. It nearly broke me. :) |
| 12:49.00 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: so it we are happy for you remembering something does that mean I just need to kill myself now? |
| 12:49.00 | pgpkeys | tbble: some are still using 'I' but as i said, it's quickly standardizing on 'j' |
| 12:49.08 | Phated | Woot Guinness... NOW, gentlemen, remember I'm a wine person. |
| 12:49.14 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Hm... No. |
| 12:49.14 | Guerin | xukun: got acpi/apm installled and working? |
| 12:49.17 | pgpkeys | mmm White Zin! |
| 12:49.21 | directhex | !wine Phated |
| 12:49.27 | Phated | xukun: It doesn't do that. |
| 12:49.27 | TBBle | pgpkeys: Oh yeah. Sorry, missed that. |
| 12:49.28 | Guerin | Phated: and like I've told you before, proper women drink beer as well. |
| 12:49.28 | potemkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.31 | Phated | directhex: Thank you. |
| 12:49.50 | directhex | Phated, no ta, i'm a rum person |
| 12:49.54 | directhex | !rum directhex |
| 12:49.54 | Phated | Guerin: And like *I've* told you, I'm not a woman. |
| 12:49.55 | Guerin | mmm |
| 12:49.56 | Guerin | rum |
| 12:49.59 | xukun | Guerin, no |
| 12:50.01 | Phated | directhex: Ahh. |
| 12:50.02 | directhex | :/ |
| 12:50.05 | Guerin | Phated: you need to practice, then. |
| 12:50.06 | Phated | OK, who wants the Guinness? |
| 12:50.09 | pgpkeys | at 16 phated is still a girl |
| 12:50.19 | scarynetworkguy | "Why's the Rum gone?" |
| 12:50.24 | Guerin | pgpkeys: that's debatable. |
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| 12:50.29 | pgpkeys | mmm Slow Gin |
| 12:50.37 | Phated | Guerin: I never liked beer. Had some at 5-6, hated it. |
| 12:50.42 | directhex | 16-year-olds can drink alcomahol in .sg? |
| 12:50.48 | pgpkeys | guerin: well, unless he's gay the Phated iggles marks him as female. |
| 12:50.53 | Phated | directhex: At five-six... I said. |
| 12:51.01 | Phated | pgpkeys: DUDE! I'm a girl. |
| 12:51.02 | xukun | Guerin, so I need to read more on acpi/apm I think? |
| 12:51.05 | Guerin | pgpkeys: hehe, no, Phated is definitely female :P |
| 12:51.06 | pgpkeys | phated: :) |
| 12:51.09 | Phated | pgpkeys: Have you been totally blind? :| |
| 12:51.15 | Guerin | Phated: nobody likes beer at 5 or 6. |
| 12:51.15 | directhex | Phated, pfft. what your country needs is some law & order. |
| 12:51.24 | pgpkeys | phated: no. as i said the /me *iggles marked you as female. |
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| 12:51.32 | Guerin | pgpkeys: and I think you mean sloe gin :P |
| 12:51.35 | directhex | i like asahi super dry. or hoegarden |
| 12:51.35 | Phated | directhex: I was at home, you're alloswed to dirnk beer at home. |
| 12:51.36 | tikki | I used to think I was a child; now I think I am an adult -- not because I no longer do childish things, but because those I call adults are no more mature than I am :) |
| 12:51.39 | TBBle | Guerin: I know people who start drinking beer before _midday_. |
| 12:51.44 | xukun | phaethon, what does that then? |
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| 12:51.45 | pgpkeys | phated: it's a mannerism (choice of word) mainly females use |
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| 12:51.48 | Phated | pgpkeys: scarynetworkguy giggles too, doesn't make him less of a man. |
| 12:51.55 | Guerin | TBBle: nothing wrong with that, in the right circumstances. |
| 12:51.57 | Phated | pgpkeys: Bullcrap! |
| 12:52.05 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: :D |
| 12:52.10 | pgpkeys | phated: not saying it does, the *consecutive* usage pattern is what does it |
| 12:52.20 | directhex | TBBle, so does the pillsbury doughboy |
| 12:52.23 | Phated | pgpkeys: Rubbish, mate. |
| 12:52.23 | jetscreamer | !poke TBBle |
| 12:52.30 | t-jack | TBBle, I know people who start drinking before they get out of bed. |
| 12:52.31 | tikki | pgpkeys: You have the right to remain silent, anything you say will be misquoted and used against you :) |
| 12:52.31 | Phated | TBBle: Oooh, really? |
| 12:52.33 | pgpkeys | phated: different crowd then |
| 12:52.58 | Phated | pgpkeys: Yeah. You're in the one where men are insecure enough to think they can't giggle and not lose their nuts. |
| 12:53.03 | jetscreamer | Doesn't Work (TM) |
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| 12:53.11 | Guerin | haha |
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| 12:53.28 | tikki | Phated: dude some men you dont want to hear giggle like me. when i giggle, dogs bark and children cry |
| 12:53.38 | Phated | tikki: So? |
| 12:53.47 | Phated | tikki: Doesn't mean you can't. |
| 12:54.02 | pgpkeys | tikki: You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney. If you can not afford one, one will be appointed to you by the court. You have the right to have an attorney present during questioning. You may stop answering questions at any time. Do you understand these rights as i have read them to you? |
| 12:54.12 | Phated | Hm, by the way, any way to see -all- users currently on the system, including those ssh-ing in? |
| 12:54.15 | Phated | dgaf: See? |
| 12:54.17 | Guerin | w |
| 12:54.20 | TBBle | w ? |
| 12:54.21 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: damn straight |
| 12:54.24 | tikki | pgpkeys: I have no recollection of that, senator! |
| 12:54.25 | TBBle | Too fast for me. |
| 12:54.27 | Phated | w? |
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| 12:54.31 | Guerin | w. |
| 12:54.31 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: *bows* |
| 12:54.37 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: who and/or last to see ones who have been in |
| 12:54.48 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhh, thankies. |
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| 12:54.52 | Phated | Guerin: w? |
| 12:54.58 | Guerin | w!!!! |
| 12:55.00 | dgaf | the w command |
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| 12:55.08 | t-jack | TBBle, I caught your 'children cry' post too late. Belated *guffaw*. |
| 12:55.08 | BugBear89 | well i am wanting to add cs4232 module so i can modprobe it, how would i go about it? would i have to recompile? |
| 12:55.11 | pgpkeys | tikki: hehe that's the Miranda Rights. Senators rarely know the Miranda. They feel themselves above it |
| 12:55.12 | Phated | Ohhhhhhh. |
| 12:55.13 | Zap-W | alert ? |
| 12:55.17 | tikki | Phated: Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Take it from me, someone who watches womens olympic gymanastics for all the wrong reasons |
| 12:55.21 | jetscreamer | maybe yo have to type it out... doubleu |
| 12:55.27 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: but to really answer your question people in with sftp won't show up |
| 12:55.39 | Guerin | womens gymnastics? What, you have a skeleton fetish? |
| 12:55.48 | vipersniper | does the "make menuconfig" not work |
| 12:55.55 | jetscreamer | works for me |
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| 12:55.57 | Phated | tikki: So? It doesn't mean you shouldn't either. My point here is that men should not think that *iggling is a girly thing. |
| 12:55.57 | tikki | Guerin: No but after I watched it, I went to my local police office and registered as a pedofile lol |
| 12:55.58 | pgpkeys | no just fairly well breasted teen fetish ;) |
| 12:55.58 | Guerin | vipersniper: I don't know, does it? |
| 12:56.04 | Phated | vipersniper: Works here too. |
| 12:56.12 | jetscreamer | you need libncurses5-dev vipersniper |
| 12:56.13 | VP | Hi! I'm very new in linux, and want to install Debian on PowerPC. I want to migrate from YellowDogLinux, but for some time want to run both OS'es, so need multi boot. Do anyone here run Debian on PPC? |
| 12:56.16 | Phated | pgpkeys: They don't -have- breats. |
| 12:56.19 | Guerin | pgpkeys: not in gymnastics, you won't. |
| 12:56.21 | Phated | breasts* |
| 12:56.26 | Guerin | !word Phated |
| 12:56.27 | dpkg | Phated: Word to your mutha! |
| 12:56.29 | tikki | Phated: Ok you feel really strongly about this so I'll put the keyboard down and slowly back away :) |
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| 12:56.35 | Phated | And believe me, I know breasts. |
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| 12:56.41 | pgpkeys | phated: there are a few that are fairly well breasted. |
| 12:56.42 | Phated | Word to your mutha, dpkg! |
| 12:56.43 | Guerin | haha |
| 12:56.47 | Phated | tikki: Good lad. |
| 12:56.51 | dgaf | tikki, figure skaters are hotter |
| 12:56.53 | pgpkeys | phated: i do as well. I'm a tittie man. always have been :) |
| 12:56.57 | pgpkeys | well T&A |
| 12:56.58 | Phated | pgpkeys: They're not the winning ones. |
| 12:57.03 | jetscreamer | vipersniper, so try apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 12:57.07 | Phated | pgpkeys: OK, I hate you now. :) |
| 12:57.08 | tikki | dgaf: hotter than womens beach volleyball? |
| 12:57.12 | dgaf | ohhhh titties |
| 12:57.13 | pgpkeys | phated: agreed. i never said i watched it to see who WON! |
| 12:57.21 | t-jack | Let's cut the chatter, please. We're approaching 700 people talking at once and there are those looking for tech assist. |
| 12:57.30 | pgpkeys | phated: why? because i like breasts? |
| 12:57.30 | Phated | pgpkeys: You suck. Done. |
| 12:57.32 | tikki | dgaf: I just watch figure skating to see them fall |
| 12:57.36 | Guerin | and the whole titties thing was old before it started |
| 12:57.38 | jetscreamer | i've seen one |
| 12:57.45 | Phated | pgpkeys: Because you consider titties more important than skill. |
| 12:57.47 | dgaf | tikki, i like the volleyball are hot. damn there all hot |
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| 12:58.04 | pgpkeys | phated: i never said that. YOU inferred that. Thus the blame falls with you |
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| 12:58.08 | peppo | apt find libXxf86vm.so.1 |
| 12:58.09 | nailbiter | VP: perhaps you should drop into #debianppc; they might be able to tell you how to dual-boot with yaboot. |
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| 12:58.14 | t-jack | Let's cut the chatter, please. We're approaching 700 people talking at once and there are those looking for tech assist. |
| 12:58.16 | tikki | dgaf: i agree and thanks to gimp and a little imagination, we all can have our dreams fulfilled :) |
| 12:58.20 | Phated | pgpkeys: Oh, gee. but you're a titty man. |
| 12:58.22 | Guerin | !tell t-jack about repeat |
| 12:58.23 | jetscreamer | i've seen one |
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| 12:58.38 | Guerin | !tell jetscreamer about repeat |
| 12:58.48 | pgpkeys | phated: yes, if i'm lookin at a female for LOOKS, then yes, breasts lead the catagory. |
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| 12:58.53 | t-jack | Guerin, Consider me chastized. :( |
| 12:58.55 | dob | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.00 | Phated | pgpkeys: Jeez. :| OK. |
| 12:59.03 | jetscreamer | 2 |
| 12:59.05 | directhex | pgpkeys, i have to ask, how old are you? |
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| 12:59.06 | nailbiter | BugBear89: you can recompile just the module you're interested in, and then load that into your running kernel. |
| 12:59.06 | pgpkeys | phated: breasts have no skill however. thus it's a different catagory |
| 12:59.12 | scarynetworkguy | pgpkeys: yes yes you did fucking say it. Quit fucking lying |
| 13:00.01 | dgaf | if it was all about the mind there wouldn't be any babies born |
| 13:00.02 | BugBear89 | nailbiter: is there any guides available for this> |
| 13:00.09 | vipersniper | jetscreamer, nope that did not work, make command not found |
| 13:00.14 | Guerin | ah, that damn hurricane |
| 13:00.17 | jetscreamer | apt find libXxf86vm |
| 13:00.34 | jetscreamer | vipersniper apt-get install libncurses5-dev didn't work? |
| 13:00.41 | directhex | Guerin, she's asleep? |
| 13:00.42 | Phated | dgaf: And that would be bad how? |
| 13:00.43 | tikki | What happens in vegas stays in vegas |
| 13:00.49 | nailbiter | BugBear89: i can think of a generic kernel building guide, but no build-just-one-module-and-hotload-it guide, no. |
| 13:00.49 | TBBle | pgpkeys: And if you're looking at a woman for intellectual accomplishment, what _are_ the criteria? |
| 13:00.50 | vipersniper | jetscreamer, nope |
| 13:01.12 | jetscreamer | what was the error msg vipersniper |
| 13:01.14 | tikki | TBBle: if she's breathing, she's game lol |
| 13:01.23 | t-jack | spam |
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| 13:01.30 | dgaf | Phated, we need *some* reproduction |
| 13:01.32 | t-jack | spam grits eggs |
| 13:01.36 | Guerin | directhex: nah, florida is being hurricaned |
| 13:01.43 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: you and abrotman are soo funny. |
| 13:01.43 | Phated | dgaf: No we don't. |
| 13:01.46 | t-jack | hmm... now I'm hungry. brb |
| 13:01.49 | Zap-W | lol , did you see in MTV music rewards , they were weaving illuminated CEll Phones Insted of Candles |
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| 13:02.04 | Phated | Yeah. :D Pretty cool, if you ask me. |
| 13:02.04 | jetscreamer | ah shit my reseller data center is in miami |
| 13:02.06 | Phated | Safer too. |
| 13:02.13 | dgaf | Phated, do we need to go extinct |
| 13:02.14 | Phated | jetscreamer: They should be all right. |
| 13:02.18 | rich_ | Zap-W Maybe they were takomh pictures |
| 13:02.22 | pgpkeys | tbble: ability to hold a conversation, knowledge of teh subject, ability to grasp concepts she may not have technical knowledge of but can conceptualize the data given her and ask questions regarding that, if talkign computers then the ability to operate the machine and operating system on a level above general user |
| 13:02.23 | rich_ | taking |
| 13:02.28 | pgpkeys | s/teh/the/ |
| 13:02.31 | BugBear89 | nailbiter: whats the generic guide? |
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| 13:02.33 | rich_ | cell phones have built in cameras nowdays |
| 13:02.34 | directhex | Guerin, pfft, these americans can't deal with a bit of wind & rain |
| 13:02.37 | Phated | dgaf: No, we need to cut down the population boom and redistribute the planet's resources. |
| 13:02.42 | Guerin | directhex: I reckon. Nancies. |
| 13:02.50 | TBBle | Phated: And you can see all that from _looking_? |
| 13:02.52 | vipersniper | jetscreamer, make command not found |
| 13:03.00 | dgaf | yeah, there is plenty of birth control available |
| 13:03.00 | Guerin | Phated: just not too quickly. |
| 13:03.06 | tikki | a guy at mcd's drive through will not hestitate to ask the hottie behind the counter for her digits but switch the roles and she would never see past his minimum wage uniform heh |
| 13:03.08 | Guerin | fuck's sake |
| 13:03.08 | TBBle | Sorry, that was to pgpkeys |
| 13:03.17 | Zap-W | rich_, no , they were using it to illuminate the darken stage, during a a perfomance of a slow song ... |
| 13:03.22 | TBBle | I keep trying to type PHP and then tab-complete it. |
| 13:03.25 | jetscreamer | vipersniper, are you either root or in the src group as the_user? |
| 13:03.28 | Phated | Guerin: Meh, we can kill off reproducing now. |
| 13:03.35 | pgpkeys | tbble: nope. requires conversation to acertain the intelligence level |
| 13:03.44 | Guerin | can we all just STFU about reproductive and sexual politics? |
| 13:03.49 | TBBle | pgpkeys: Well, the question was originally about _looking_ at women. |
| 13:04.01 | Guerin | everyone who'd like tpo continue, please go to #fuckinguselesswankers |
| 13:04.04 | jetscreamer | make that skinny 14yr old looking women |
| 13:04.05 | nailbiter | BugBear89: install the 'kernel-package' package, and look in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package. |
| 13:04.10 | TBBle | Sorry, it was "lookin" which possibly means something slightly different. |
| 13:04.15 | rich_ | Zap-W Oh yea, your right, none of them would dare take pictures. |
| 13:04.16 | pgpkeys | tbble: however she accused me of ONLY being concerned about titties just because i like looking at them. |
| 13:04.24 | tikki | TBBle: my advice if you're in college is to have sex with as many girls as you can now because when you get older you'll have to pay to sleep with the kinda women you're sleeping with now for free |
| 13:04.24 | nailbiter | BugBear89: if i was more nimble fingered, i'd pull up a URL to the online version for you, but alas .. |
| 13:04.26 | dgaf | Phated, in asia, africa, south america, much of the west is declining in population |
| 13:04.34 | rich_ | Zap-W The camera mans union would hunt them down |
| 13:04.38 | ricky_clarkson | Guerin: Hey, I don't like you getting people to invade my channel. |
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| 13:04.49 | dgaf | should be a period after south america |
| 13:04.52 | Phated | dgaf: Not really. We still need to solve many problems... Now I'm going to drop out of this convo. |
| 13:04.56 | Guerin | ricky_clarkson: I thought yours was #fuckinguselesstw@s |
| 13:04.59 | TBBle | tikki: I got to have sex with one women in college. I haven't finished _yet_ though. ^_^ |
| 13:05.02 | aum | hi - can ide drives be hotplugged with kernel 2.6.* ? |
| 13:05.04 | nailbiter | BugBear89: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 13:05.06 | RomanK | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.08 | dgaf | Phated, okay |
| 13:05.09 | pgpkeys | tbble: and yes actually you can tell somewhat about a person's intelligence level by their eyes, their facial positioning etc etc. is it an exact science? by all means no. but you CAN tell if someone's got the light on upstairs generally |
| 13:05.12 | TBBle | tikki: Ironically, she left me for an older man. |
| 13:05.14 | BugBear89 | nailbiter: thanks |
| 13:05.15 | directhex | aum, that depends on hardware support |
| 13:05.18 | RomanK | oops |
| 13:05.25 | TBBle | pgpkeys: Really? I've never even considered that. |
| 13:05.26 | ricky_clarkson | Guerin: Least I'm not [typically] online all weekend ;) |
| 13:05.26 | jetscreamer | aum with proper hw yeah |
| 13:05.38 | Zap-W | rich_, yea, imagine britney spears going into the crowd and some sticking a cell phone in hear face |
| 13:05.45 | aum | directhex, jetscreamer: how do i determine if my hardware is up to it? |
| 13:05.47 | pgpkeys | tbble: start looking at people, and think about what i just said |
| 13:05.54 | t-jack | dgaf, Do you think this planet can sustain contenued fibunacci curve population growth? |
| 13:05.56 | directhex | aum, for example, highpoint raid controllers can hotplug ide, as long as you only have a single drive per ide connection (no master/slave) |
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| 13:06.04 | jetscreamer | aum you should know if you bought such an expensive monster? (not sure) |
| 13:06.15 | dgaf | t-jack, no |
| 13:06.19 | Guerin | ricky_clarkson: haha, I relish the weekends I can stay at home and do nothing. |
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| 13:06.26 | tikki | TBBle: that sucks but atleast you're young right? you have a whole buffet to choose from before you seriously start considering settling down |
| 13:06.29 | aum | so garden-variety atx mobos in general can't cope with hotplugging ide? |
| 13:06.31 | TBBle | pgpkeys: Gonna have to go find some dumb people. |
| 13:06.32 | directhex | aum, no basic southbridge will hotplug ide |
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| 13:06.43 | jetscreamer | aum probably correct |
| 13:06.44 | TBBle | tikki: I'm not as young as I used to be. I've just been at uni too long. |
| 13:06.48 | t-jack | dgaf, Somewhere there would be a crash in reproductive rate. |
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| 13:06.55 | directhex | aum, only extra pci-bus controllers _might_ give the option |
| 13:07.02 | pgpkeys | tbble: you'll find you'll probably be right (once you start recognizing the signature marks like brightness of the eyes, alertness to surroundings, reflective posture of the eyes during coversations etc etc. |
| 13:07.07 | pgpkeys | ) |
| 13:07.11 | rich_ | Zap-W yea, imagine. Infact, you dont have to imagine, it sounds like the cell phone commercial |
| 13:07.22 | pgpkeys | tbble: it's part of body language |
| 13:07.33 | mboso | I have an entry for a windows partition in fstab. I have the option user enabled but for some reason when the machine boots i can't access the windows partition as a regular user. i have to unmount it and remount it as a regular user |
| 13:07.37 | Zap-W | rich_, really, i had no idea |
| 13:07.38 | tikki | TBBle: find a local sportsbar close to any univ campus on a fri or sat night, you'll have a lot of girls there that just want dick for the night and no strings attached |
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| 13:07.44 | mboso | what option am i missing? |
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| 13:07.54 | directhex | mboso, use the "umask" option in fstab |
| 13:08.01 | tikki | and a little cocaine if you're not that handsome, it always seals the deal |
| 13:08.01 | TBBle | pgpkeys: The main problem is I don't know any dumb people to check the body language on... |
| 13:08.01 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 13:08.04 | directhex | mboso, e.g. umask=0222 |
| 13:08.12 | t-jack | dgaf, If we continue our obsession with preserving the species we will render the whole infertile. |
| 13:08.13 | Guerin | tikki / TBBle: fucking stop it. |
| 13:08.18 | gregj | are there any known issues with c++/gcc linker in testing/unstable ? |
| 13:08.24 | Guerin | t-jack and dgaf: you too |
| 13:08.25 | TBBle | Guerin: Fair point. |
| 13:08.27 | mboso | directhex : ah, ok. thanks a lot. i'll take a look into that |
| 13:08.35 | gregj | I have issues while compiling kdebase |
| 13:08.37 | pgpkeys | tbble: hehe it's a subtle science. I learned it in the military. Part of the training for my MOS when i changed MOSs |
| 13:08.45 | ricky_clarkson | !seen thomas_adam |
| 13:08.46 | dpkg | thomas_adam <~n6tadam@host81-155-246-105.range81-155.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 13h 54m 24s ago, saying: 'Oh yes... so it is. :)'. |
| 13:08.46 | ventrue | thomas_adam!~n6tadam@host81-155-246-105.range81-155.btcentralplus.com was last seen 2 hr 47 min 24 s ago on #debian |
| 13:08.48 | jetscreamer | what mos |
| 13:08.53 | mboso | also, is it possible for a regular user to mount a smbfs? |
| 13:08.56 | rich_ | Zap-W Theres one where the guy opens the closet and sees a guy there and he gets excited but the guy yawns and says no one will ever believe it. But the guy snaps a picture with his cell phone. |
| 13:08.57 | ricky_clarkson | ventrue: Turn that script off. |
| 13:08.58 | pgpkeys | 95B |
| 13:08.59 | mboso | I only seem to be able to do it as room |
| 13:09.03 | mboso | using a 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 13:09.11 | dgaf | Guerin, i stopped whatever several pages back |
| 13:09.15 | Phoenician | I need a winrar equivalent for debian |
| 13:09.17 | rich_ | Or tries. I forget if he succeeds |
| 13:09.20 | ricky_clarkson | mboso: Add it to the fstab with a 'user' option. |
| 13:09.24 | ricky_clarkson | !ops |
| 13:09.24 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 13:09.25 | jetscreamer | Phoenician, try rar |
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| 13:09.33 | gregj | Phoenician: go to rarsoft webpage, and download it |
| 13:09.34 | jetscreamer | in non-free |
| 13:09.35 | directhex | Phoenician, file-roller or ark, depending on gtk/qt preference |
| 13:09.38 | rich_ | Only the celbrity is barnet or someone |
| 13:09.43 | rich_ | barney |
| 13:09.44 | ricky_clarkson | The nature is that ventrue responds to !seen - spurious bot-age. |
| 13:09.48 | pgpkeys | I see ElectricElf isn't on. was going to say hi |
| 13:10.13 | mboso | ricky_clarkson : i have the user option. that's whats throwing me off |
| 13:10.30 | directhex | mboso, i never solved that issue. "user" doesn't seem to affect mount.smbfs |
| 13:10.31 | tikki | pgpkeys: my first blind date the girl ordered a pitcher of beer, for herself.. so that can't be good lol |
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| 13:11.01 | Guerin | tikki: stop, ffs. |
| 13:11.01 | tikki | it's like if you need that much alcohol to get through a date with me, maybe we're not soul mates |
| 13:11.01 | Guerin | tikki: just fucking can it. |
| 13:11.01 | pgpkeys | oo, greycat still lives too. |
| 13:11.01 | mboso | directhex : is it a bug or a feature? |
| 13:11.03 | tikki | Guerin: stop what? |
| 13:11.09 | pgpkeys | stop the girl chat |
| 13:11.26 | Guerin | tikki: stop going on about your filthy dating habits. We don't care and we aren't impressed. |
| 13:11.34 | directhex | mboso, a feature i presume. i'm not sure what the solution is, probably making somethng suid root or somesuch |
| 13:11.39 | pgpkeys | tikki: notice tbble and i redirected to a different topic? that should have been your clue ;) |
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| 13:12.05 | mboso | directhex : i tried that. got a stern warning from my system about making smbmount suid. |
| 13:12.10 | TBBle | Actually, I didn't so much redirect as stop. |
| 13:12.18 | wilwauk | when i boot up, i get in the startup logs this message: No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. anyone know what wrog? |
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| 13:12.42 | TBBle | wilwauk: Possibly kernel compiled w/out loadable module support? |
| 13:12.43 | pgpkeys | tbble: i took your dumb people comment to be the weaning off the subject move. |
| 13:12.44 | mboso | wilwauk : you may not have kernel module loading compiled into your kernel |
| 13:12.55 | pgpkeys | tbble: so i latched on and followed suit :) |
| 13:12.57 | directhex | mboso, well do the mounts at boot time, so you don';t need to worry |
| 13:13.13 | tikki | Guerin: ok, but when the time comes you actually interact with people offline, you'll have some stories to tell too :) |
| 13:13.18 | directhex | mboso, i.e. fstab'd |
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| 13:13.25 | TBBle | pgpkeys: Well, it seemed the natural point to go in the conversation, and I didn't want to imply that only women can be told as stupid from looking, since you hadn't. |
| 13:13.25 | Phated | tikki: Shut up. |
| 13:13.27 | xoz | wilwauk: apparently, you did not enable module support in kernel config |
| 13:13.34 | wilwauk | TBBle,mboso: i have with CONFIG_MODULES in the kernel |
| 13:13.41 | wilwauk | its in there |
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| 13:13.45 | vipersniper | jetscreamer, still the same error "make command not found" |
| 13:13.45 | directhex | !troll tikki |
| 13:13.51 | TBBle | wilwauk: Do you have /proc/modules? |
| 13:13.57 | Phated | I'd call him a goblin. |
| 13:14.01 | pgpkeys | tbble: my apologies, i thought the gender neutral 'people' sufficed to encompass men as well. my mistake |
| 13:14.04 | Guerin | tikki: come off it, you fucking twat. |
| 13:14.13 | wilwauk | TBBle: yep.. and lsmod shows a bunch of modules loaded |
| 13:14.18 | ricky_clarkson | I'm hosting a Gentoo meeting right now. "Rob will be talking about Tenshi, a log watching daemon developed specifically for the Gentoo Linux project." |
| 13:14.27 | tikki | pgpkeys: i think i'm going to turn the whole asian pacific rim against me in one session. good to know i still have it lol |
| 13:14.32 | TBBle | pgpkeys: It _did_. As I said, you _didn't_ imply such. I nearly did, since I didn't read your comment too closely the first time. |
| 13:14.43 | pgpkeys | tbble: :} |
| 13:14.49 | Phated | tikki: No, you've done it. The Asian-Pacific is officially against you. |
| 13:14.53 | mboso | directhex : I have them is fstab, the thing is the computer i want to mount aren't always on. and if they aren't i don't want to wait for a time out when i boot. dilemmas dilemmas. |
| 13:14.53 | pgpkeys | hahaha |
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| 13:14.56 | tikki | lol |
| 13:15.00 | t-jack | ~And the goblins'll gitcha... if ya don' watch out~ |
| 13:15.01 | pgpkeys | GO PHATED! |
| 13:15.04 | pgpkeys | doh! sorry |
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| 13:15.09 | TBBle | Phated: We're _what_? *wasn't following* |
| 13:15.12 | ricky_clarkson | !go phated |
| 13:15.18 | Phated | pgpkeys: Meh, I'm most of the Aisan-Pacific representative here. :) |
| 13:15.19 | tikki | Guerin: i give you fivah dollar to make peace.. justa fivah dollar we have long good time big boy! |
| 13:15.23 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Haha. :D |
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| 13:15.29 | directhex | go go gadget Phated ? |
| 13:15.33 | pgpkeys | phated: go, you! <grin> |
| 13:15.34 | TBBle | wilwauk: I wouldn't worry too much about it, then... Did google not help? |
| 13:15.38 | Phated | pgpkeys: :) |
| 13:15.43 | pgpkeys | directhex: hahah! line biter :) |
| 13:15.44 | Guerin | tikki: you have no idea how wrong you are. |
| 13:15.45 | scarynetworkguy | tikki: not to mention a big chunck of the Pacific NW |
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| 13:16.02 | Phated | pgpkeys: Well, Guerin's on here, and TBBle apparently is Asian-Pacific too... |
| 13:16.04 | sgommo | hi, anyone knows when sarge will be releazed as stable? |
| 13:16.06 | jetscreamer | vipersniper, apt-get kernel-package build-essentials |
| 13:16.10 | Phated | sgommo: Soon. |
| 13:16.11 | ricky_clarkson | !go $1 is <action> (sing in the style of Ricki Lake's audience) Go $1, go $1, just damn go. Home. |
| 13:16.12 | dpkg | ricky_clarkson: okay |
| 13:16.15 | jetscreamer | sgommo, no nobody does |
| 13:16.19 | directhex | !tell sgommo about sarge stable |
| 13:16.20 | pgpkeys | phated: I'm just one of 'Those Americans' |
| 13:16.24 | ricky_clarkson | chikkin tikki misili |
| 13:16.24 | Phated | Guerin: Oh, yeah! :D |
| 13:16.25 | TBBle | I like to think of myself as such... Generally considered Oceanic though. >_< |
| 13:16.26 | Guerin | ricky_clarkson: nice. |
| 13:16.27 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: and I was there for long enough that I think I should count also |
| 13:16.30 | tikki | i bow down to the stereotypical confrontational irc regulars ! |
| 13:16.31 | Phated | pgpkeys: Oh, those people I hate. |
| 13:16.35 | sgommo | !tell sgommo about sarge stable |
| 13:16.39 | wilwauk | TBBle: google only says the same as you guys.. but it works.. i just dosent know why =) |
| 13:16.41 | pgpkeys | actually in the world today i should probably reword that as 'Those Damn Americans' |
| 13:16.45 | t-jack | pgpkeys, you a furkin merkin? |
| 13:16.47 | snail | wtf is "Asian-Pacific" is in somehow related to the Asia-Pacific area? |
| 13:16.47 | pgpkeys | phated: hey blame Bush not us. |
| 13:16.52 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhh, all right. PLSU you can cook currypuffs. |
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| 13:16.58 | TBBle | wilwauk: In that case, you can dig through kernel source at your leisure. |
| 13:16.58 | ricky_clarkson | t-jack: I doubt it. Merkins can't type. |
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| 13:17.04 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: that I can :) |
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| 13:17.11 | pgpkeys | t-jack: alas that's true. :/ |
| 13:17.12 | jetscreamer | how many demonstrators were arrested at the democratic convention? |
| 13:17.15 | Phated | pgpkeys: Yeah, hate him too, but I mostly have something against Americans for thinking they're the fucking only country in the world. |
| 13:17.25 | tikki | jetscreamer: none, i think they all had jobs |
| 13:17.27 | pgpkeys | t-jack: never thought i'd see the day when I'd be ashamed to admit that |
| 13:17.37 | jetscreamer | how many demonstrators were arrested at the republican convention? |
| 13:17.38 | pgpkeys | phated: no, just the most influential |
| 13:17.40 | TBBle | Someone just told me they were USAians. And that I was rude for suggesting USAns... I dunno what this world's coming to. |
| 13:17.42 | scarynetworkguy | pgpkeys: no from what I've seen this morning you are one of the ones that are making me want to move |
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| 13:17.43 | wilwauk | TBBle; ? |
| 13:17.44 | tikki | like a thousand or so |
| 13:17.51 | t-jack | ricky_clarkson, I'm a 'mer'can and cannot typw. |
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| 13:17.57 | pgpkeys | scarynetworkguy: out of the US? |
| 13:17.57 | jetscreamer | so. the point should be obvious. |
| 13:18.03 | Phated | pgpkeys: No, just enough of then to be a majority of the population. Plus all the racist crap. |
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| 13:18.11 | tikki | yeah they dont have anything better to do |
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| 13:18.14 | TBBle | wilwauk: As in, I have no idea, but if it's not broken, you can look in the kernel source at your leisure and find the error message, and what causes it. |
| 13:18.14 | ed0n | I did apt-get install gnome but it seems that it doesn't install xf86 so now I did apt-get install x-window-system and it's installing it. Did I the thing right? |
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| 13:18.23 | Guerin | ed0n: yes. |
| 13:18.25 | jetscreamer | ed0n yeah |
| 13:18.27 | scarynetworkguy | pgpkeys: yup |
| 13:18.28 | ed0n | thank you |
| 13:18.30 | Phated | ed0n: Yeah. |
| 13:18.33 | directhex | ed0n, yes |
| 13:18.34 | abrocadabro | is it possible to extent the screen by having two monitors dual head? |
| 13:18.38 | Phated | Meh, I'm slow this evening. |
| 13:18.41 | wilwauk | TBBle: hm.. yeah |
| 13:18.42 | directhex | abrocadabro, yes |
| 13:18.43 | Guerin | ed0n: x window syetem isn't defaultly installed with gnome because it can be run remotely. |
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| 13:18.44 | masoft | I get NVidia Driver, now when I want to run it, it saies that exit X first ! how can I exit X ? |
| 13:18.45 | jetscreamer | abrocadabro, yahe |
| 13:18.52 | initech | ed0n: you need an xserver, gnome does not require a local xserver to work |
| 13:18.59 | SquareRt | abrocadabro: magic word is "xinerama" |
| 13:19.01 | SquareRt | !xinerama |
| 13:19.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 has it!, or http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html |
| 13:19.03 | rich_ | jetscreamer theres no way to know. Under the patriot act its illegal to release information about people who are being prosecuted under the patriot act. |
| 13:19.04 | jetscreamer | masoft /etc/init.d/gdm|kdm|xdm stop |
| 13:19.07 | abrocadabro | they are not distorted but the space becomes twice as wide |
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| 13:19.08 | pgpkeys | scarynetworkguy: ummm, where exactly have i shown a lack of intelligence (other than the possibly offensive woman joking around iw as doing) or showed stupidity? |
| 13:19.17 | ed0n | I see, thank you people you're beign helpfull with me today :) . |
| 13:19.18 | Phated | pgpkeys: Your nick? :) |
| 13:19.19 | TBBle | masoft: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace, but you prolly want to log out, restart your display maanager, and log back in instead. |
| 13:19.21 | vipersniper | jetscreamer, coundn't find package build-essentials |
| 13:19.25 | Phated | ed0n: Oh, that's nice. |
| 13:19.29 | t-jack | If y'all really want to know what's going on behind the scenes in politics check out the lunatic fringe on infowars.com. |
| 13:19.29 | directhex | rich_, the first rule of patriot club, is you do not talk about patriot club |
| 13:19.30 | scarynetworkguy | pgpkeys: yes to all of the above |
| 13:19.38 | Phated | vipersniper: build-essential |
| 13:19.40 | jetscreamer | !info build-essential |
| 13:19.42 | dpkg | build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1 (sid), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB |
| 13:19.43 | Guerin | ed0n: it's because you're not stupid. Or at least, you're not showing it :) |
| 13:19.45 | Phated | vipersniper: No s. |
| 13:19.47 | jetscreamer | ok no s oopsies |
| 13:19.47 | pgpkeys | scarynetworkguy: if you consider me stupid that's on you. ::shrug:: not like i give a shit |
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| 13:20.00 | tikki | scarynetworkguy: wow did you take the short yellow bus to school |
| 13:20.01 | TBBle | rich_: But surely if you ask if a given person is being prosecuted under the patriot act, and they refuse to answer, that's an answer? |
| 13:20.06 | tikki | or just having a bad day |
| 13:20.09 | Phated | tikki: OI! |
| 13:20.12 | rich_ | So even though its illegal for me to even say so, I guess a million people, being held without due process, why not? |
| 13:20.18 | SquareRt | abrocadabro: that helrp? |
| 13:20.19 | Phated | Racial slurs NOT appreciated. |
| 13:20.23 | abrocadabro | jetscreamer: do i need to get the package for xinerama? |
| 13:20.28 | tikki | say what |
| 13:20.30 | Guerin | Phated: (that wasn't one) |
| 13:20.30 | rich_ | why not two million? |
| 13:20.32 | ed0n | Guerin: :), the last time I installed a debian was ages ago, now I am making it as a default distro in my desktops insted of gentoo :) |
| 13:20.32 | TBBle | What racial slur? |
| 13:20.41 | jetscreamer | abrocadabro, i meant that for vipersniper |
| 13:20.43 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: it was not. |
| 13:20.47 | Phated | Guerin: :| |
| 13:20.57 | Phated | That would me overreacting. My apologies. |
| 13:20.58 | Guerin | !win ed0n |
| 13:20.59 | jetscreamer | abrocadabro, i don't 'think' you need anything extra, dunno |
| 13:20.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, ed0n! You have won a one way ticket to baghdad! |
| 13:21.04 | abrocadabro | SquareRt: yeah, i wonder how i can achiev that |
| 13:21.07 | FaithX | Help guys!!! I got an ext3 filesystem says it's full but du says only 30% is used... |
| 13:21.11 | SquareRt | abrocadabro: xinerama is an extension to X |
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| 13:21.20 | directhex | FaithX, runnig jboss? |
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| 13:21.26 | Guerin | FaithX: jboss? |
| 13:21.28 | Guerin | haha |
| 13:21.28 | Phated | !lart me for overreacting |
| 13:21.33 | FaithX | jboss??? |
| 13:21.34 | jetscreamer | wow java |
| 13:21.36 | directhex | !crabpastesmite Guerin |
| 13:21.39 | Phated | 0_o. |
| 13:21.39 | pgpkeys | phated: we're people. we all overreact at times. part of the human condition :) |
| 13:21.40 | t-jack | ed0n, Gentoo's sysinstaller is fucked. |
| 13:21.42 | FaithX | what is it? |
| 13:21.49 | Phated | pgpkeys: No, you can hush. |
| 13:21.56 | Guerin | FaithX: apparently not then. |
| 13:21.58 | pgpkeys | phated: not a chance. |
| 13:22.07 | ed0n | t-jack: well I don't like spendin days to get a system to work :) |
| 13:22.09 | abrocadabro | SquareRt: do i just get the xinerama source and compile? |
| 13:22.16 | t-jack | !gentoo |
| 13:22.17 | dpkg | well, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc and Sparc64 systems. It rules all the inferior distributions (Sadly, not all other distributions are inferior ;). Kinda of akin to BSD according to chouimat, or something you don't want to administer more than 2 of, or a nice file browser, or see also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ and http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm, or and see http://www.funroll-loops.org/ |
| 13:22.23 | SquareRt | !xinerama |
| 13:22.23 | dpkg | i heard xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 has it!, or http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html |
| 13:22.27 | Guerin | FaithX: ok. Unmount it and mount it as type ext2. Any change? |
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| 13:22.35 | SquareRt | ^^^^ seee that line from dpkg abrocadabro |
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| 13:22.45 | SquareRt | it's just a matter of modifying the X config |
| 13:22.47 | xoz | go $1 is <action> (sings in the style of Ricki Lake's audience) Go $1, go $1, just damn go... Home. |
| 13:22.49 | FaithX | Guerin is it safe to do it live it is / |
| 13:23.00 | Phated | xoz: Forgot the !. |
| 13:23.06 | SquareRt | dpkg: tell abrocadabro about xinerama |
| 13:23.08 | xoz | heh |
| 13:23.17 | tikki | Phated: yeah well i'm going to put 3 ignores on you, so if you have children, and they come here they will be identified and ignored |
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| 13:23.23 | dgaf | FaithX, do you see any difference with df -i |
| 13:23.28 | scarynetworkguy | tikki: don't forget me |
| 13:23.32 | tikki | i wont put 3 ignores on scarynetworkguy and Guerin because the chances of them breeding is slim |
| 13:23.33 | Guerin | FaithX: you want to chroot to another systenm with some working tools. |
| 13:23.38 | Phated | tikki: I'd rather they were ignored than have to speakw ith people like you. |
| 13:23.38 | pgpkeys | oh christ. if you guys can't handle conversations going awry in a TEXT MEDIUM, i'd really hate to see your conversational handling skills in real life. Someone says something you potentially find offensive and can't figure out a decent way to find out if the person even MEANT it offensively OR to alert the person you DID find it offensive and give the person a chance to apologize. |
| 13:23.44 | Phated | speak with* |
| 13:23.54 | scarynetworkguy | tikki: if you wanted to catch my kids and me you would need 4 |
| 13:24.00 | Guerin | fuckin' A |
| 13:24.05 | FaithX | dgaf, yes it is only 17% used |
| 13:24.08 | tikki | word up! |
| 13:24.10 | Phated | Guerin: Yeah, kill him. :) |
| 13:24.11 | pgpkeys | but then i guess it's all about the perverbial 'me; these days |
| 13:24.13 | Guerin | just all drop it, svp. |
| 13:24.24 | Guerin | or I'll try in vain to call ops again. |
| 13:24.42 | Phated | Guerin: None of them alive, it would seem. We need an op in our timezone. :) |
| 13:24.45 | t-jack | tikki, You approach infintile with your taunts. Please increase the brain activity for future posts. |
| 13:24.48 | SquareRt | pgpkeys: is 'me a lisp object? |
| 13:24.54 | Phated | tikki: Infantile? |
| 13:24.55 | Guerin | Phated: we have one - bob2. but he has a life, too. |
| 13:25.02 | Phated | Guerin: Ah, unlike me. :) |
| 13:25.02 | directhex | Guerin, vote directhex for op, you know it makes sense :P |
| 13:25.03 | pgpkeys | squarert: i meant 'me' as in self centeredness |
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| 13:25.16 | Phated | directhex: No way, you would -so- badly abuse your power... :D |
| 13:25.18 | SquareRt | I wondered if the leading ' had significance ;) |
| 13:25.27 | pgpkeys | squarert: hehe no. |
| 13:25.33 | pgpkeys | squarert: typo on my end :) |
| 13:25.40 | directhex | Phated, only with tards. i don't like tards. i tend to abuse them. |
| 13:25.41 | Guerin | directhex: I'd vote for practically any of the regulars right now, just so we can be reprazented. |
| 13:25.42 | tikki | t-jack: nah, more like talking to them in a manner they understand |
| 13:25.56 | Phated | directhex: Hm... OK. |
| 13:26.01 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: where is bob2 ? |
| 13:26.02 | t-jack | Bah, half-cooked eggplant... nasty. I should've fryed before baking as per the cooking instructions. |
| 13:26.12 | Phated | directhex: Also, I'll vote you if you'll vote me. ;) |
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| 13:26.23 | Phated | t-jack: Eeew. |
| 13:26.24 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: in Canberra, I expect. Maybe somewhere else though. Am I my bob2's keeper? |
| 13:26.25 | directhex | Phated, yay. i don't get many complaints about my op style on quakenet. except from the aforementionned tards |
| 13:26.35 | Phated | directhex: Good enough. |
| 13:26.39 | directhex | !vote Phated |
| 13:26.40 | jetscreamer | !seen bob2 |
| 13:26.40 | ventrue | bob2!rob@bob2.registered is currently on #debian |
| 13:26.40 | dpkg | bob2 is currently on #debian (2d 9h 59m 51s) #debian-women (2d 9h 59m 51s) #debian-ops (2d 9h 59m 51s). Has said a total of 59523 messages. Is idling for 11h 50m 5s |
| 13:26.47 | Phated | !vote directhex |
| 13:26.51 | directhex | bah |
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| 13:26.57 | Phated | :D |
| 13:26.57 | directhex | Phated, make a vote factoid |
| 13:26.58 | initech | quakenet is nothing but 'tards, isn't it? |
| 13:27.08 | directhex | initech, largely. |
| 13:27.09 | Phated | directhex: What should it be? |
| 13:27.13 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: No I was just curious what country in your timezone... |
| 13:27.16 | Phated | directhex: But sure. |
| 13:27.23 | directhex | Phated, make it some witty joke about govcernor of california, i think |
| 13:27.24 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: ah, australia. |
| 13:27.24 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: .sg is a couple hours behind, I think. |
| 13:27.25 | TBBle | Hmm. Is there a good way to turn an XFont description into the file (or files??) it is being supplied front? |
| 13:27.28 | Phated | directhex: No way. |
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| 13:27.34 | Phated | directhex: Hm... Let's see... |
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| 13:27.57 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah yeah you know what I meant. |
| 13:28.06 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :) |
| 13:28.14 | pgpkeys | ./msg greycat get hold of me when you see this. heading back to efnet for a bit. |
| 13:28.16 | pgpkeys | damn it |
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| 13:28.34 | directhex | i think efnet is possibly woese than quakenet for tard content |
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| 13:28.52 | durge | damn bout time heh |
| 13:28.53 | pgpkeys | no, just a more hold what you got irc network. |
| 13:29.02 | Phated | !vote directhex |
| 13:29.03 | dpkg | Vote for directhex! Your ticket to free lunches! |
| 13:29.05 | vipersniper | jetscreamer, is it "make && make modules_install && install |
| 13:29.08 | Phated | Excellent. |
| 13:29.08 | directhex | yay |
| 13:29.10 | scarynetworkguy | directhex: yes yes it is |
| 13:29.11 | directhex | !vote Phated |
| 13:29.12 | dpkg | Vote for Phated! Your ticket to free lunches! |
| 13:29.18 | Phated | directhex: But that's the only one I have as yet. |
| 13:29.19 | jetscreamer | http://www.quake.de/show_picture.php?id=587 |
| 13:29.29 | jetscreamer | vipersniper, i use make-kpkg |
| 13:29.29 | Phated | directhex: Feel free to edit anytime you like. :) |
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| 13:29.45 | directhex | Phated, stick another one in so i know the syntax for multiple entries |
| 13:29.49 | durge | is there a good dockstation for debian? |
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| 13:30.04 | dgaf | durge, did you upgrade to sarge? |
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| 13:30.07 | Phated | directhex: Ahh, multiple entries is like (entry one|entry two). |
| 13:30.08 | Guerin | pgpkeys: seeya then :) |
| 13:30.08 | jetscreamer | vipersniper, try make-kpkg --targets ... make-kpkg makes a .deb in ../ when it's finished |
| 13:30.14 | durge | dgaf: yes |
| 13:30.16 | t-jack | !Vote For Women! Step In Time! |
| 13:30.16 | Phated | !literal qotd0 |
| 13:30.17 | dpkg | Vote for For Women! Step In Time!! Your ticket to free lunches! |
| 13:30.17 | dpkg | qotd0 is <reply>see qotd(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20|21|22|23|24|25|26|27|28|29|30|31|32|33|34|35|36|37|38|39|40|41|42|43|44|45|46|47|48|49|50|51|52|53|54|55|56|57|58|59|60|61|62|63|64|65|66|67|68|69|70|71|72) |
| 13:30.21 | Phated | directhex: ^ |
| 13:30.27 | dgaf | it rocks eh? |
| 13:30.33 | pgpkeys | guerin: hehe I'm still around. just doing some work which requires efnet contacts. |
| 13:30.40 | Guerin | pgpkeys: ah, aight. |
| 13:30.45 | Phated | t-jack: Too much Mary Poppins... |
| 13:30.49 | Guerin | well, I'm off to watch movies. |
| 13:30.55 | Phated | Guerin: Have fun. :) |
| 13:30.59 | pgpkeys | PayCheck! |
| 13:31.00 | vipersniper | jetscreamer, does "make-kpkg" do everything like install the kernel |
| 13:31.21 | t-jack | Phated, Maybe. Also, too great a recall for facts. |
| 13:31.25 | vipersniper | and just reboot and bingo |
| 13:31.28 | Guerin | vipersniper: no, it only makes the deb paskage(s) |
| 13:31.31 | Phated | t-jack: Yeah, but it was a good show. :D |
| 13:31.37 | jetscreamer | vipersniper, yeah after you dpkg -i the .deb in ../ |
| 13:31.41 | Guerin | vipersniper: you have to install them yourself with dpkg -i |
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| 13:32.18 | t-jack | Phated, I never saw the least snippit of it til I saw the whole thing at 23. |
| 13:32.20 | Phated | vipersniper: You should check out The Very Verbose Guide to Compiling and Updating Your Kernel, available on osnews.org/ |
| 13:32.20 | vipersniper | well guys whats the easiest way |
| 13:32.23 | jetscreamer | which 'usually' means /usr/src |
| 13:32.26 | Phated | t-jack: My, my. :) |
| 13:32.30 | johnga1t | libv : you around? |
| 13:33.05 | t-jack | Phated, Yeah. I'm a 'tard. :( |
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| 13:33.26 | Phated | t-jack: No, no, not at all. :D |
| 13:33.35 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: yeah well that's just a given. :D |
| 13:33.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :| |
| 13:33.51 | Guerin | anyway |
| 13:33.51 | vipersniper | Phated: i can do it in fc2 and gentoo with no problem :)) |
| 13:34.08 | Guerin | if y'all get a chance to see a korean film called Oldboy, it's excellent |
| 13:34.12 | Phated | vipersniper: Gentoo?! Gahhh! |
| 13:34.14 | Guerin | very, very perverse |
| 13:34.16 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: he knows I'm just teasing. t-jack is a friend |
| 13:34.28 | jetscreamer | vipersniper, initrd might give you a hassle... you need to make sure, when you're finished, that your lilo.conf reflects whether or not you used/made_an initrd |
| 13:34.32 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: you do know I'm just teasing right? |
| 13:34.45 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy, grrr |
| 13:34.47 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhh, cool. :) |
| 13:34.50 | Phated | t-jack: Heh. |
| 13:34.51 | Guerin | this has been Guerin's Movie Watch for another daycycle |
| 13:34.55 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Apparently he does not. |
| 13:34.57 | scarynetworkguy | heh |
| 13:34.58 | Phated | Guerin: Woo. |
| 13:35.01 | Phated | Er. Woot* |
| 13:35.04 | t-jack | scarynetworkguy, Yeah. I forgive. :) |
| 13:35.05 | vipersniper | jetscreamer, its the sarge install "grub" |
| 13:35.20 | jetscreamer | vipersniper, good luck! |
| 13:35.23 | scarynetworkguy | t-jack: I really was just teasing. Figured you'd know that. Sorry if it was a bad assumption |
| 13:35.25 | vipersniper | lol |
| 13:35.33 | jetscreamer | vipersniper, i don't know anything about grub but ppl seem to like it |
| 13:35.35 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: I thought he would. My bad.. |
| 13:35.38 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Now -he's- teasing. |
| 13:35.41 | Noid | he forgives, but says nothing about forgetting |
| 13:35.57 | vipersniper | jetscreamer, its much more user friendly |
| 13:36.11 | Phated | Noid: Forgive, but -never- forget. That way lies Alzheimer's. |
| 13:36.11 | pucko | what do a 10Base2 jack look like? |
| 13:36.12 | rich_ | Is forgetting possible? |
| 13:36.20 | Phated | pucko: You talking ethernet? |
| 13:36.22 | Noid | Phated: hahaha |
| 13:36.25 | abrocadabro | where can i grab xinerama source? |
| 13:36.26 | directhex | rich_, seen eternal sunshine of the spotless mind? |
| 13:36.28 | Phated | Noid: :) |
| 13:36.29 | rich_ | never heard of that |
| 13:36.38 | rich_ | directhex no |
| 13:36.42 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: damn straight |
| 13:36.43 | jetscreamer | those dimi echoes are always available imo |
| 13:36.45 | jetscreamer | dim |
| 13:36.51 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: :D |
| 13:36.52 | directhex | rich_, well it would have answered your question |
| 13:37.06 | Noid | pucko: maybe that's coaxial cable? |
| 13:37.13 | nailbiter | pucko: illustrations available online. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10BASE2 |
| 13:37.24 | dgaf | what was it that was supposed to be forgotten ;) |
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| 13:37.50 | directhex | pucko, fear mighty coax cable |
| 13:37.54 | Eclipser | OUCH! |
| 13:37.59 | Eclipser | 188 upgraded, 12 newly installed, 1 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 13:37.59 | Eclipser | Need to get 245MB of archives. |
| 13:37.59 | Eclipser | After unpacking 16.7MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 13:38.19 | Eclipser | sometimes it's good to have a 100Mbps connection |
| 13:38.22 | FaithX | Welp, i remounted as ext2 and still the free space is being misreported |
| 13:38.28 | t-jack | rich_, Ever noticed the stereotypic mindless selfless Christian who one day blows up, leaving a mass of bone and gore while he proceeds to drink and party and whore? |
| 13:38.33 | rich_ | directhex Hmmm. I find it hard to believe that the movie could answer a question, that the viewers of the movie could not then answer. But I'll keep it in mind. Theres been a lot of lousy movies this year |
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| 13:38.50 | Phated | Eclipser: Oh yeah. :) |
| 13:39.34 | Eclipser | and a debian mirror in the same subnetwork helps too |
| 13:39.47 | nailbiter | abrocadabro: xinerama is part of the core xfree86 server. |
| 13:39.49 | nailbiter | abrocadabro: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO |
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| 13:39.55 | t-jack | rich_, I don't think we're hardwired with the capability of perfect altruism.. |
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| 13:39.59 | jetscreamer | FaithX, why do you say it's misreported? |
| 13:40.03 | rich_ | t-jack Well I can think of one offhand. I wouldnt say thats a lot |
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| 13:40.22 | rich_ | kip kinkle... |
| 13:40.49 | dgaf | Eclipser, you on a backbone? |
| 13:40.50 | abrocadabro | nailbiter: what i need to do is just to modify the conf file? |
| 13:40.58 | rich_ | Id say its pretty few and far between |
| 13:41.08 | rich_ | Before that was charles manson |
| 13:41.13 | rich_ | :) |
| 13:41.32 | Eclipser | dgaf, funet network... not quite sure about the correct answer :) |
| 13:41.47 | nailbiter | abrocadabro: yes, but it can be fiddly figuring out how to lay out your display. please try the Xinerama HOWTO first. |
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| 13:42.03 | toxickore | hello..... |
| 13:42.08 | Glanzmann | How can I tell apt-get to stop asking stupid questions in postinstall questions. |
| 13:42.09 | jetscreamer | !hi toxick |
| 13:42.09 | toxickore | somebody here? |
| 13:42.09 | dgaf | Eclipser, I meant the 100Mbps |
| 13:42.12 | dpkg | Many greetings, toxick, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 13:42.18 | toxickore | jeronim: hi there.... |
| 13:42.21 | dgaf | toxickore, nobody here |
| 13:42.26 | toxickore | dgaf: =P |
| 13:42.31 | t-jack | rich_, I say the selfless Christian is a stereotype, not the selfless Christian who suffers a complete personality reversal breakdown. |
| 13:42.33 | toxickore | i have a debian newbie question |
| 13:42.34 | dgaf | toxickore, :) |
| 13:42.45 | jetscreamer | my cat just lost my place in my book!!!! |
| 13:42.48 | Glanzmann | All people should test there stuff for yes "" | apt-get upgrade and apt-get upgrade < /dev/null |
| 13:42.54 | Glanzmann | noone cares about stupid questions. |
| 13:42.56 | nailbiter | FaithX: most unix filesystems reserve a certain percentage of space for superuser use. you can change that with 'tune2fs'. |
| 13:43.08 | jetscreamer | usually 5%iirc |
| 13:43.16 | toxickore | how can i give to my debian sarge, the reiserFS option installation? |
| 13:43.16 | Noid | jetscreamer: yeah, sure he's in a more advanced page so he didn't need to keep yours |
| 13:43.48 | Noid | jetscreamer: cats are fast readers, you know (; |
| 13:43.49 | SquareRt | !hi dpkg |
| 13:43.50 | dpkg | Many greetings, dpkg, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 13:43.51 | Eclipser | dgaf, I'm not really sure of the network structure here :o |
| 13:44.06 | t-jack | Glanzmann, Have you ever cat'd the contents of /dev/null? |
| 13:44.07 | toxickore | any idea? |
| 13:44.20 | nailbiter | Glanzmann: "DEBCONF_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt-get -qy install" might work. |
| 13:44.23 | snail | !idea |
| 13:44.24 | dpkg | hmm... idea is meaning you don't know. |
| 13:44.37 | Glanzmann | nailbiter: This works: yes '' | dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6*deb /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-kernel-headers_*deb /var/cache/apt/archives/libdb1*deb |
| 13:44.56 | nailbiter | Glanzmann: i guess that's another way to do it. ;-) |
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| 13:45.07 | Noid | Glanzmann: a most dangerous assumption, imho |
| 13:45.19 | Glanzmann | But it works in practice. |
| 13:45.19 | nailbiter | Glanzmann: "echo dpkg -iGROEB /var/cache/apt/archives | batch" |
| 13:45.20 | t-jack | snail, dpkg gets diaphramical on the jah, mon. |
| 13:45.24 | toxickore | i dont't want to install a ext2 filesystem, and i don't know how to get a reiserFS |
| 13:45.33 | jetscreamer | toxickore, if you mean with the new debian sarge installer you might have better luck asking in #debian-boot |
| 13:45.36 | dgaf | Eclipser, well a T3 is about 44Mbps |
| 13:45.48 | Glanzmann | nailbiter: What does that? |
| 13:45.53 | Noid | toxickore: i think there's an expert mode of installation |
| 13:45.55 | toxickore | jetscreamer: it exists a new debian installer? |
| 13:45.56 | Moeen | toxickore: want use reiser ? |
| 13:45.56 | jetscreamer | but it should be in the partitioner section |
| 13:46.03 | snail | t-jack: no, my gf gets diaphramical... |
| 13:46.05 | toxickore | Moeen: yup... i want to use reiser |
| 13:46.09 | nailbiter | Glanzmann: that upgrades your system with whatever's in /var/cache/apt/archives, then mails you the installation log when it's done. |
| 13:46.17 | nailbiter | toxickore: are you installing a woody (debian 3.0) system? |
| 13:46.20 | toxickore | MoDaX: with expert mode i can get the reiser? |
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| 13:46.30 | toxickore | nailbiter: it's a sarge system |
| 13:46.43 | Trewas | dgaf: hehe, slowest links in funet are 155mbit, and tut.fi where eclipser seems to be is 2.5gbps... here in lut.fi we have to do with measly 622mbit connection :/ |
| 13:46.45 | Glanzmann | nailbiter: ic. |
| 13:47.00 | nailbiter | toxickore: can't you choose the type of the filesystem you want to create, after partitioning? |
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| 13:47.26 | dgaf | Trewas, ohhh, poor people :) |
| 13:47.31 | toxickore | nailbiter: i only get ext2 in the installer.... |
| 13:47.44 | toxickore | nailbiter: maybe you refer to fdisk mode |
| 13:47.46 | nailbiter | toxickore: http://people.debian.org/~madduck/d-i/screenshots/065-part-filesystem.png |
| 13:47.46 | dan2 | Whats a secure management protocol(not SNMP) |
| 13:47.50 | jetscreamer | toxickore, which installer |
| 13:47.53 | nailbiter | toxickore: you should have gotten that menu. |
| 13:47.54 | Eclipser | Trewas, there ARE some HomePNAs here though, but they're getting rare :) |
| 13:48.05 | toxickore | jetscreamer: the normal installer... |
| 13:48.20 | toxickore | i'm a debian newbie... it exists more than one installer? |
| 13:48.21 | durge | fellas when i minimize my windows in gnome they minimize slowly |
| 13:48.23 | jetscreamer | toxickore, is it the new debian installer? |
| 13:48.24 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 13:48.26 | durge | isnt there a setting for this |
| 13:48.33 | jetscreamer | there is woody and sarge installers |
| 13:48.37 | durge | i know there is one in windows forget what its called though |
| 13:48.40 | nailbiter | toxickore: which set of install images are you using? the netinst one? |
| 13:48.40 | jetscreamer | that was confusing |
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| 13:48.57 | jetscreamer | toxickore, there is the old reliable and the new beta |
| 13:49.06 | toxickore | nailbiter: nope... the first CD of debian sarge |
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| 13:49.19 | jetscreamer | how about... |
| 13:49.20 | toxickore | jetscreamer: which one should i use? |
| 13:49.28 | jetscreamer | toxickore, where did you get your cd image? |
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| 13:49.53 | toxickore | jetscreamer: from a debian mirror |
| 13:49.53 | jetscreamer | !tell toxickore about d-i |
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| 13:50.21 | jetscreamer | toxickore, i'm assuming you have an old woody installer... type bf24 at the boot prompt |
| 13:50.33 | edrx | how do I purge old versions of debs from /var/cache/apt/archives/? I'd like to keep only the new ones to make a local repository for debootstrap... |
| 13:50.49 | Eclipser | bleh |
| 13:50.50 | jetscreamer | apt-cache clean maybe |
| 13:50.55 | Eclipser | I need to get cdrecord-prodvd :/ |
| 13:50.58 | jetscreamer | apt-get clean rather |
| 13:51.11 | toxickore | dpkg: i'll check.... |
| 13:51.11 | dpkg | toxickore: are you smoking crack? |
| 13:51.16 | nailbiter | edrx: 'apt-get autoclean' to remove only old, no-longer useful packages. |
| 13:51.20 | toxickore | jetscreamer: thanks a lot.... |
| 13:51.26 | jetscreamer | toxickore, wait |
| 13:51.44 | jetscreamer | toxickore, i heard reiser is messed up with the old woody installer |
| 13:51.47 | toxickore | jetscreamer: okay.... |
| 13:51.48 | jetscreamer | not sure |
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| 13:51.58 | jetscreamer | if it was me i'd get the new sarge installer |
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| 13:52.12 | toxickore | jetscreamer: anyway i think i will use the netinst |
| 13:52.24 | jetscreamer | toxickore, yeah new sarge netinst |
| 13:52.34 | edrx | nailbiter: that's it!!! thanks :) |
| 13:52.44 | jetscreamer | 115 mb iirc |
| 13:53.01 | Eclipser | is sarge stable yet? |
| 13:53.12 | nailbiter | toxickore: how long ago did you download the sarge images you're using now? |
| 13:53.14 | jetscreamer | close enough for government work |
| 13:53.20 | nailbiter | Eclipser: no, not yet. wait for the big announcement. :) |
| 13:53.30 | toxickore | nailbiter: i downloaded it yesterday |
| 13:53.40 | jetscreamer | from where though |
| 13:54.03 | directhex | Eclipser, coupole of weeks, at a guess |
| 13:54.09 | jetscreamer | there are a lot of mirrors and they have lots of sub-directories |
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| 13:54.29 | Eclipser | I need to try the new installer someday |
| 13:54.54 | jetscreamer | aug.31 daily rocked, i hear tell the current daily is fuxored |
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| 13:55.08 | jetscreamer | as of yesterday that is |
| 13:55.26 | Eclipser | bleh |
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| 13:55.32 | Eclipser | they've made an installer for firefox |
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| 13:56.07 | SquareRt | eclipser: just need an uninstaller now |
| 13:56.16 | Eclipser | what for?-p |
| 13:56.29 | SquareRt | eclipser: for the AOL users of course |
| 13:56.30 | SquareRt | lol |
| 13:56.35 | toxickore | jetscreamer: it was the first mirror abailable |
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| 13:57.17 | Eclipser | hmm |
| 13:57.30 | Eclipser | should I change my root password... I always typo it at least 5 times :) |
| 13:57.54 | t-jack | Why in gods' name do you need twp metapkg to Pike 7.6? |
| 13:57.57 | initech | Eclipser: "1234", or "password" will do ;) |
| 13:58.00 | t-jack | Why in gods' name do you need two metapkg to Pike 7.6? |
| 13:58.04 | Eclipser | initech, he he |
| 13:58.22 | toxickore | jetscreamer: i can't remember dude... and my bash_history has deleted the wget entry |
| 13:58.23 | rich_ | thanks everyone, bbl |
| 13:58.25 | SquareRt | eclipser: no... use "swingline" |
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| 13:58.29 | SquareRt | eclipser: or "stapler" |
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| 13:58.38 | jetscreamer | toxickore, was it the stable installer or the beta installer |
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| 13:58.49 | toxickore | jetscreamer: it's a stable version |
| 13:58.53 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 13:59.27 | jetscreamer | yeah me i'd get the sarge netinst beta installer if i wanted reiser |
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| 13:59.34 | toxickore | jetscreamer: i followed the gunnar's advice |
| 14:00.49 | peppo | apt find ppmtoy4m |
| 14:00.52 | jetscreamer | ahhh thank god for wonder drugs |
| 14:00.59 | t-jack | Sarge WIR'd |
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| 14:02.46 | t-jack | Hey, forgive the juvenality, please. I actually did burp IRL right after nvz posted. |
| 14:03.10 | jetscreamer | hey, crayons! |
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| 14:03.28 | jetscreamer | your mother smells of elderberries |
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| 14:03.32 | jetscreamer | or was it your father |
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| 14:03.39 | PerfDave | Your mother was a hamster. |
| 14:03.43 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:03.58 | t-jack | jetscreamer, Mother. Mine was a home vinter. |
| 14:04.06 | initech | jetscreamer: "now, if we could just make a giant badger ... " |
| 14:04.09 | nvz | damn PerfDave is black too.. too many people with no nick colors, beginning to think the script broke |
| 14:05.26 | nvz | if I were to use another client could i get more colors, or would it still just use irc's 15 colors? |
| 14:05.39 | nvz | need a 16 Million Color nick color script ;) |
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| 14:06.28 | nvz | right now the bots are yellow, ops are red, regulars are green, cool people are blue, and everyone else is black |
| 14:06.51 | snail | nvz: i suspect it's useing the standard terminal colours, of which there are 8 * (bold + non-bold) |
| 14:06.51 | t-jack | nvz, What color am I? |
| 14:07.12 | nvz | t-jack: green now, you were black |
| 14:07.18 | nvz | greenfly: yeap |
| 14:07.26 | nvz | heh |
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| 14:07.36 | notEinstein | hi :) |
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| 14:08.32 | nvz | I like this setup because I can know what to read easier.. I know if I dont want to read dumb questions I can ignore anything in black, |
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| 14:08.51 | notEinstein | how can I set the default X11 session (i.e. fallback, gnome, kde, xfce, etc.)? |
| 14:09.19 | ed0n | how can I reconfigure x using debconf or what is the name of the app that debian uses to configure? |
| 14:09.42 | directhex | ed0n, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:09.43 | asg | ed0n: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:09.45 | TBBle | notEinstein: For yourself, or everyone? |
| 14:09.46 | nvz | alot of people should probably be blue, but they are either ops and had to be red, or I just havent well sorted them yet |
| 14:09.52 | notEinstein | TBBle everyone |
| 14:10.14 | nvz | I want to make this automatic.. using maybe stats from logfiles or something |
| 14:10.24 | nvz | but right now its a manual process |
| 14:10.25 | notEinstein | I find the X11R6 server confusing compared to the freedesktop one (I'm referring to the matter, though) |
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| 14:10.53 | greycat | nvz: stats can never determine coolness |
| 14:11.06 | nvz | greycat: yeah they can. |
| 14:11.15 | mentor | ricky_clarkson: Did it get sorted? |
| 14:11.18 | asg | nvz: what kind of stats are you planning to use? |
| 14:11.22 | initech | notEinstein: err, the freedesktop one is not X11R6? (it is) you mean Xfree? |
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| 14:11.42 | notEinstein | initech I mean xfree |
| 14:12.00 | nvz | ops will of course be anyone seen taking a +o. regulars will be people that come like every day or idle alot |
| 14:12.00 | notEinstein | xserver-xfree86, that is |
| 14:12.19 | nvz | and cool people are the people seen being refrenced in my tab completion the most |
| 14:12.40 | nvz | like greycat, asg, peters, phated.. the ones I talk to |
| 14:12.47 | greycat | ah |
| 14:12.52 | Phated | nvz: Yo, what? |
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| 14:13.03 | asg | Phated: you're in his blue list |
| 14:13.14 | Phated | asg: Which means? Haven't been keeping up, sorry. |
| 14:13.16 | nvz | na' I think phated is like purple |
| 14:13.27 | Phated | Whazzat mean? |
| 14:13.34 | nvz | nickcolor.pl |
| 14:13.37 | asg | Phated: he's tweaking his irc colors to reflect various stats and people |
| 14:13.37 | Phated | Ooooo. |
| 14:13.46 | Phated | asg: Ahhh, interesting. xchat? |
| 14:13.53 | asg | Phated: irssi most likely |
| 14:13.53 | nvz | irssi |
| 14:14.01 | Phated | Oooooh, nick colours in irssi? |
| 14:14.06 | nvz | yeap |
| 14:14.09 | ed0n | asg: that opens the configurator but it doesn't write any /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 14:14.18 | Phated | Cooool... |
| 14:14.18 | notEinstein | TBBle, initech did I say something wrong? |
| 14:14.22 | nvz | Phated: irssi has scriptassist, its like apt-get for IRC |
| 14:14.28 | notEinstein | s/some/any/ |
| 14:14.30 | nvz | Phated: well, you have to install it |
| 14:14.33 | asg | ed0n: if you've manually tweaked your config before, read the notes at the top of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
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| 14:14.39 | Phated | nvz: Yeah, I know, but I never did figure out how it was used. |
| 14:14.49 | asg | ed0n: it won't write a new one if you've manually messed with it |
| 14:15.03 | nvz | Phated: /scriptassist help |
| 14:15.08 | Phated | nvz: Ahhh... |
| 14:15.13 | notEinstein | I'm not talking about desktop manager defaults |
| 14:15.13 | ed0n | asg: so what should I do? |
| 14:15.17 | notEinstein | simply the default xsession |
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| 14:15.40 | Phated | nvz: so what colours mean what? For you anyways. |
| 14:15.41 | asg | ed0n: follow the commands the notes at the top of /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 say, then used dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 14:15.48 | nvz | Phated: doesnt purge or remove, which I dont like, but it does set them to auto start if you like |
| 14:15.56 | Phated | nvz: Oooh. :) |
| 14:16.02 | nvz | Phated: just testing use of colors to sort relevant conversation |
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| 14:16.10 | nvz | Phated: seems good, need to make it automatic |
| 14:16.31 | Phated | Interesting. Why not just copy it into ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/ |
| 14:16.35 | nvz | Phated: making regular users of the channel and cool people, ops and bots colorful |
| 14:16.49 | Phated | Ahhhh... So ops are red, bots are? |
| 14:16.54 | nvz | Phated: scriptassist installs and loads them for you |
| 14:16.56 | Phated | Regulars are what else? |
| 14:17.02 | Phated | nvz: Meh, I'm a manual person. :D |
| 14:17.03 | nvz | I think it links them to autorun |
| 14:17.04 | ed0n | asg: I removed the whole file after changing it becouse I tought it will create a new one for me |
| 14:17.16 | Phated | nvz: Ahh. |
| 14:17.28 | nvz | Phated: bots are like dark yellow |
| 14:17.40 | Phated | nvz: OK, cool. Now we're missing blue and green. :D |
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| 14:17.48 | nvz | I am using an aterm -fg black -bg white |
| 14:17.53 | asg | ed0n: I msg'd you what you need to do |
| 14:18.01 | nvz | Phated: blue is for cool people of course |
| 14:18.04 | Phated | nvz: Meh, never liked white *terms. |
| 14:18.14 | nvz | Phated: well blue, green, and purple |
| 14:18.15 | Phated | nvz: Cool. And I'm in blue, yay. :D |
| 14:18.18 | nvz | Phated: all cool colors |
| 14:18.35 | Phated | nvz: Green and purple? Purple and blue are cool, but green? |
| 14:18.47 | asg | Phated: very gentooish |
| 14:18.48 | nvz | Phated: yeah they are on the cool spectrum |
| 14:18.55 | Phated | asg: Ahhh. |
| 14:18.58 | nvz | Phated: red orange, yellow. those are hot colors |
| 14:19.15 | Phated | nvz: Ohh, as in colour spectrum... I was thinking in terms of colour preferences, I never liked green. :) |
| 14:19.46 | asg | Phated: you have some green links on your blog though :p |
| 14:20.05 | nvz | I dont particuarly like the $R that my msg's are that people say to me, but its hard to miss |
| 14:20.21 | Phated | asg: Meh, I use them as headers because they're the 'pure' colours on the hex codes like 0000FF and such. |
| 14:20.33 | Phated | And 00FF00, stuff like that. :) |
| 14:21.02 | Phated | Yeah, I'm a lazy HTML geek, can't be bothered to look up mixed colours. :D |
| 14:21.27 | nvz | chameleon, I think can be used as a color picker |
| 14:21.36 | dan2 | asg! |
| 14:21.38 | asg | Phated: you could write a simple script to generate a thorough html page containing samples of all colors |
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| 14:21.41 | asg | dan2: hiya |
| 14:21.42 | Phated | So can the colour prefs dialog in xchat. :D |
| 14:21.47 | dan2 | asg: ninja! |
| 14:21.53 | dan2 | asg: ;) |
| 14:21.54 | TBBle | notEinstein: No, I just don't know the answer. Sorry. -_- |
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| 14:22.06 | peppo | apt find libmpeg2encpp |
| 14:22.19 | dan2 | asg: where's taht spec? |
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| 14:22.38 | asg | dan2: sorry, I didn't get in till 1am, I'm still waking up |
| 14:22.46 | nvz | besides you can make a DHTML color picker, with CSS, Javascript and HTML |
| 14:22.59 | Phated | nvz: When you do get that working, I'd like to request my nick be blue. Pretty much my favourite colour.. :) |
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| 14:23.09 | nvz | heh |
| 14:23.10 | Led_Zeppelin | can I use backports with sarge? |
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| 14:23.18 | scarynetworkguy | heh |
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| 14:23.39 | Phated | Woot. Thank you. :D |
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| 14:24.07 | nailbiter | notEinstein: the default xsession is actually chosen by your display manager, if you run one. :) if your display manager doesn't choose one, it'll be whatever your 'x-session-manager' alternative points to. |
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| 14:24.30 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: well, most backports _are_ from sarge to woody, so it'd be somewhat pointless. |
| 14:24.44 | nvz | finally messing with configuring irssi, using the elf config for a template, since I like it for the most part.. |
| 14:25.17 | nvz | somehow it switches me to win 2 before the server fully connects and shows status crap in #debian window when I connect, which annoys me |
| 14:25.27 | xst | When I updated, the installer asked me if I wanted to use the maintainers version of the config file. I answered "wrong" on this question, so how can I re-update and get the question again? |
| 14:25.32 | nvz | not sure what causes that yet |
| 14:25.34 | Phated | How odd, I never got that. |
| 14:25.52 | nvz | I had a hell of a time geting the irssi conf right |
| 14:25.56 | nvz | the syntax is wak |
| 14:26.02 | Phated | Heh. |
| 14:26.09 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, I am trying to get bittorrent client |
| 14:26.14 | Led_Zeppelin | nailbiter, but seems like I can't |
| 14:26.20 | Phated | Led_Zeppelin: btdownloadcurses. |
| 14:26.25 | Eclipser | hmmh |
| 14:26.34 | nailbiter | Led_Zeppelin: it's definitely packaged as 'bittorrent' in sarge. |
| 14:26.37 | strerror | anyone have any idea why i can't mount a partition? i keep getting errors saying that it is already mounted or its busy, neither of which are the case |
| 14:26.41 | Led_Zeppelin | phaethon, doh! thanks |
| 14:26.52 | Phated | Led_Zeppelin: :) Or apt-get install bittorrent... |
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| 14:27.08 | Eclipser | 44.1GB free out of 280GB |
| 14:27.16 | nailbiter | xst: there's no "wrong". :) did you opt to replace your config file with the maintainer's version? |
| 14:27.18 | Eclipser | maybe I should start doing something about this |
| 14:27.54 | nailbiter | xst: if you did, the replaced file will be moved aside and have a .dpkg-old prefix added. just rename that back if you need that instead of the factory default. |
| 14:27.58 | Phated | Eclipser: Hush. |
| 14:28.01 | nvz | well maybe not maybe its just the way I was looking at it.. seems to follow ( {foo; bar;}; {}; {} ); pretty strictly |
| 14:28.12 | nvz | just seemed like the syntax changed half way through the file |
| 14:28.38 | nailbiter | strerror: what's the exact mount error message? |
| 14:28.59 | xst | nailbiter: I need the maintainers version - not my own version as I wrongly answered. Can't I make the installer ask me the question again somehow? |
| 14:29.49 | nailbiter | xst: in that case, the maintainer's version would be installed, but with a .dpkg-new prefix. just copy _that_ into place. |
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| 14:30.00 | jor | anyway to open encrypted word .docs in linux? |
| 14:30.29 | |stefan| | are there any installations disks for debian with intel's s-ata raid drivers on ? =) |
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| 14:30.50 | xst | nailbiter: I can't remember what file it was, so it would be quite a lot easier just to answer "right" again. |
| 14:31.12 | nailbiter | xst: ok. try running 'apt-get --install <packagename>' first. |
| 14:31.21 | nvz | My cousin called me last night claimed the fsck he was advised by someone to do, hosed his pc, now all he gets is a grub 1.5, and a Stage 2 error 15, which I dont know anything about grub, but it means "File Not Found" or something, I tried to have him restore his root partition, but he just keeps getting that, I dont know if his hd died or what |
| 14:31.22 | nailbiter | xst: uh, i mean 'apt-get --reinstall install <packagename>' |
| 14:31.42 | xst | nailbiter: Thanx |
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| 14:32.07 | asg | nvz: the fsck possibly removed or couldn't recover the grub stage 2 file. |
| 14:32.09 | nailbiter | nvz: does he have rescue media of some sort to boot from? |
| 14:32.11 | nvz | I should probably take the time to learn grub, seems like its practically its own rescue program if you know what you are doing |
| 14:32.34 | nvz | nailbiter: sarge installer of some kind I left him it seems, probably a beta 4 n-i |
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| 14:32.47 | meursault | nvz i think that means grub couldnt find the kernel but im not sure |
| 14:32.52 | nvz | nailbiter: we tried reinstalling over his root partition and keeping his home a few times |
| 14:33.11 | nailbiter | nvz: well, grub has a filesystem browser built in. if you can get a grub prompt, then you can use that to noodle around for a kernel to boot from .. |
| 14:33.13 | nvz | asg: see I dont know about that stuff.. I didnt know if it was a grub file or the kernel it couldnt find |
| 14:33.27 | asg | nvz: it would be in /boot/grub/stage2 |
| 14:33.53 | nvz | I dont know why if I had him walk throught the installer 5 times last night it hasnt created a new file by now |
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| 14:34.30 | nvz | I was trying to tell him to use lilo which I understand, but I dont even know D-I well enough, I still use my Woody N-I mini cd |
| 14:34.37 | caphuso | nvz: because you didn't run grub-install? |
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| 14:35.11 | nvz | caphuso: would d-i beta 4 let you run a bootloader install without your partitions mouted, its possible he could do something like that |
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| 14:35.16 | nvz | if allowed anyhow |
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| 14:35.53 | caphuso | nvz: use it as a rescue boot disk |
| 14:36.02 | nvz | I got to goonulate that D-I a bit more so I can learn to fanagle it properly |
| 14:36.15 | greycat | finagle |
| 14:36.19 | nvz | yeah that too |
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| 14:37.33 | nvz | its a pita for me because without going into expert mode or whatever and learning how the new installer works, it installs devfs, grub.. etc bunch of stuff I am not familiar with, so I still use the old installer I know how to get through in like 30sec |
| 14:37.58 | ed0n | how can I enable three mouse buttons, I answerd the debconf questions correctly but it still doesn't work |
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| 14:38.27 | nvz | ed0n: do you have 3 buttons or do you want to emulate 3 buttons? |
| 14:38.39 | nvz | ed0n: what kind of mouse? and what port/protocol is X using? |
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| 14:39.38 | a_dave | hey, anybody else missing /usr/bin/X11/Xfree86 on a new testing install? |
| 14:40.09 | directhex | a_dave, have you installed xfree86 yet? |
| 14:40.15 | a_dave | yep |
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| 14:40.21 | ed0n | nvz, ps/2 mouse I have 3 buttons, and X is using ps/2 |
| 14:40.32 | nvz | ed0n: optical? |
| 14:40.47 | a_dave | directthex: xfree86 and a whole bunch of related is installed |
| 14:41.01 | ed0n | nvz, yes |
| 14:41.03 | nvz | ed0n: try ImPS/2 protocol for three buttons/wheel see if that helps |
| 14:41.19 | ed0n | nvz, I doesn't I tried it |
| 14:41.23 | nvz | ed0n: its the Intellimouse PS/2 USB protocol |
| 14:41.55 | xst | After making an apt-get upgrade my tetex doesn't work anymore: It says "fmtutil: config file `fmtutil.cnf' not found.". Are there any solutions on this? |
| 14:42.00 | nvz | I cant imagine why ImPS/2 would not work on an optical mouse |
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| 14:42.30 | nvz | but then again the fog of vaguness is thick |
| 14:42.43 | nvz | no wait thats smoke |
| 14:43.25 | emilios | does anyone make Alsa works with debian 3.0? |
| 14:43.56 | greycat | that would be difficult to do without building a custom kernel |
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| 14:44.14 | directhex | not worth the effort, on woody. in my opinion, anyway |
| 14:44.20 | nvz | why is that? cant get a recent kernel in woody? |
| 14:44.33 | greycat | woody has 2.4.18 kernel, but no alsa modules for it |
| 14:44.41 | directhex | nvz, you could compile your own. 2.4.18 is as high as it goes by itself |
| 14:44.42 | nvz | no 2.6.8.1 image? |
| 14:44.49 | greycat | nvz: on *woody*?? |
| 14:44.51 | nvz | heh |
| 14:45.02 | nvz | stable doesnt even get kernel updates? |
| 14:45.11 | asg | nvz: backported security fixes only |
| 14:45.15 | emilios | so what I have to use for my sound system with woody? |
| 14:45.15 | nvz | just security patches for kernels or what? |
| 14:45.19 | directhex | nvz, not unless there's a security risk with the current one |
| 14:45.21 | asg | emilios: OSS |
| 14:45.24 | directhex | emilios, OSS |
| 14:45.34 | nvz | directhex: well 2.4.18 think about it |
| 14:45.39 | emilios | THANKS A LOT !!! |
| 14:45.56 | asg | whoa, too many caps for my hangover |
| 14:45.57 | directhex | nvz, don't look at me, i run sid and a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 14:46.08 | emilios | :) |
| 14:46.16 | meff | what are the variables to give to lsof to see what has which open ports? |
| 14:46.29 | directhex | nvz, meh. a 2-character typo barely deserves a mention |
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| 14:47.09 | greycat | meff: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 14:47.36 | lord_rob | Hi ! How can I see on which debian CD is a given package ? |
| 14:47.40 | nvz | I still remember going to kernel.org and seeing two kernels on the same day and I go to read the changelog to see whats up, and damn if I didnt see the sight of a kernel changelog with one entry |
| 14:47.45 | meff | ahh thanks.. how do you memorize all these factoids greycat ? :) |
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| 14:47.58 | asg | lord_rob: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 14:48.07 | lord_rob | thanks asg |
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| 14:48.51 | TBBle | nvz: Wasn't that 2.6.8.1 ? |
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| 14:48.59 | nvz | TBBle: yeah |
| 14:49.02 | dan2 | asg: have you written the spec yet? |
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| 14:49.19 | TBBle | How long was the 2.4.12 changelog? |
| 14:49.20 | asg | dan2: no, I'm still trying to wake up |
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| 14:49.50 | asg | dan2: ta, I'm already on it though |
| 14:49.51 | nvz | TBBle: dont even remember what it was about.. something to do with NFS IIRC |
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| 14:50.40 | TBBle | That was the 2.6.8.1 problem, wasn't it? The 2.4.11 kernel (I think) was renamed 2.4.11-donotuse and had some major block device issue which would eat your hard disks. |
| 14:50.53 | Moeen | I start Knoppix Terminal Server, how can I boot the other computer from network ? (I think I need a floppy image for this work, but how can I find it ?) |
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| 14:53.03 | dan2 | asg: whats a good gforge that offers svn access and its not alioth (project isn't debian specific) |
| 14:53.08 | nvz | Moeen: #knoppix |
| 14:53.42 | nvz | Moeen: believe it or not, you are in #debian, and we use Debian, not knoppix.. its no surprise Debian != Knoppix |
| 14:54.08 | greycat | nvz: note that I had to change "!=" to "is NOT" because people didn't know what != meant. |
| 14:54.11 | asg | dan2: berlios? |
| 14:54.14 | nvz | heh |
| 14:54.19 | dan2 | asg: don't think so |
| 14:54.38 | asg | dan2: hmmm, that one in india? savorar or somesuch? |
| 14:54.45 | asg | greycat: that is sad. |
| 14:54.50 | nvz | greycat: do something to make the DO NOT /MSG THE PEOPLE easier to understand |
| 14:54.58 | nvz | Moeen: dont /msg me |
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| 14:55.07 | nvz | I do *NOT* use knopix |
| 14:55.16 | emilios | hey do I have to pay in order to get OSS? |
| 14:55.39 | asg | emilios: no, though there are some commercial drivers that you can use if OSS doesn't support your chipset |
| 14:55.41 | nvz | emilios: kernel comes with OSS |
| 14:55.50 | Moeen | nvz: it's not my answer ! I don't use gentoo, too ! |
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| 14:56.05 | emilios | but how do I use it? |
| 14:56.11 | Moeen | How can I connect to Terminal server ? |
| 14:56.11 | nvz | Moeen: nobody cares, go ask somewhere where they do |
| 14:56.15 | dan2 | asg: no, not it either |
| 14:56.15 | asg | emilios: /msg dpkg audio |
| 14:56.20 | asg | dan2: localhost? :) |
| 14:56.24 | emilios | ok thanks |
| 14:56.32 | asg | dan2: you could always run your own |
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| 14:56.58 | dan2 | asg: tigris.org ... |
| 14:57.12 | asg | dan2: ah (the subversion guys right) ? |
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| 14:57.43 | greycat | Moeen: /join #knoppix /part #debian |
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| 14:57.58 | DaKab | Hello |
| 14:58.16 | bonez41 | I want to set up and maintain a business web site..simple, perhaps with a shopping cart...I want to DIY....myself..is there a channel here that helps with this? |
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| 14:58.42 | greycat | #web |
| 14:59.26 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: a 9mm to the bakc of the head? Seems to me that would make it real easy to understand |
| 14:59.29 | t-jack | oop! etext How To Be A Pot Star Like Me by StonedAgain... |
| 14:59.30 | nvz | what's so hard to understand about asking questions in the right audience.. you can't go to chinatown and ask for directions in mexican slang |
| 14:59.31 | DaKab | soneone there with an ati igp radeon 9100 working? |
| 14:59.32 | meff | anyone know where i can get a fixed build of k3b w/ the settings option non-segfaulting or when a new rebuild will be out? |
| 14:59.34 | dan2 | asg: yep |
| 14:59.45 | dan2 | asg: hmm, I think I like their homemade sforge better |
| 14:59.56 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: whats that about? |
| 14:59.57 | asg | dan2: hmmm, must have a look |
| 15:00.05 | DaKab | sorry zinx still looking for that ;-) |
| 15:00.29 | Noid | meff: apt-get install k3b... |
| 15:00.32 | t-jack | How's -that- for getting burried? SomeOne must not've wanted that comment to get noticed. |
| 15:00.34 | dan2 | asg: dbmail-utils.tigris.org |
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| 15:00.57 | meff | Noid: theres a reported bug that makes it segfault when you choose 'k3b options' .. |
| 15:01.00 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: the do not /msg people thing. :D |
| 15:01.06 | nvz | t-jack: what are you babbling about? |
| 15:01.10 | nvz | scarynetworkguy: oh |
| 15:01.29 | Noid | meff: are you using sid? |
| 15:01.35 | meff | Noid: yes |
| 15:01.39 | scarynetworkguy | nvz: yeah you would only have to cap the first 3 or 4 and they would get the idea |
| 15:01.42 | Noid | meff: aha |
| 15:01.52 | dob | i have a problem to read for example the man pages in console, i can only go forward no backward, i have the same problem with "less" if i use it in console |
