| 00:00.05 | caphuso | twirl83: it looks familiar and gives a warm and fuzzy feeling |
| 00:00.17 | jelly | iceman: dont forget scsi core and scsi disk support (but config will not let you put scsi host bus adaptor drivers in kernel unless scsi core is also in kernel too) |
| 00:00.28 | mseney | droopy, still looking but i see others have had issues w/ that video card and X |
| 00:00.29 | iceman | caphuso: yes, I was thinking mabye there was a way to check what drivers I am currently using |
| 00:00.34 | twirl83 | duhh |
| 00:00.47 | bnoah | twirl83: it's called the hostname |
| 00:00.50 | valdyn | twirl83: nothing really, its just habbit / tradition |
| 00:01.00 | caphuso | iceman: e.g. by looking at what modules you have loaded? |
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| 00:01.04 | wokker | twirl83, i need to know schweinehund! |
| 00:01.28 | twirl83 | bnoah: yeah, but why the need for this host name ? |
| 00:01.32 | mseney | droopy, just curious but what kernel are you using 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 00:01.41 | bnoah | wokker: unpatched 4.10 :-) |
| 00:01.47 | wokker | bnoah, :) |
| 00:01.50 | iceman | caphuso: yes, I tried lsmod at first, but those drivers seems to be not modules, but built in. mabye this "scsi0 : MESH" from dmesg is what I need to look at.. |
| 00:01.56 | mseney | droopy, brb phone call -- |
| 00:02.02 | caphuso | iceman: read through /var/log/dmesg |
| 00:02.05 | droopy | mseney went to sarge fro usually using unstable. And I have never had this problem. This card is really old :) 2.6 |
| 00:02.14 | valdyn | twirl83: as i said, just tradition, zzz.slashdot.org would work too if the admins wanted that |
| 00:02.15 | iceman | caphuso: thank you |
| 00:02.21 | wokker | bnoah, do i disgust you now? |
| 00:02.38 | bnoah | wokker: no, i'd just patch it if i was you |
| 00:02.52 | twirl83 | valdyn:aha |
| 00:02.55 | wokker | bnoah, lol ... it's buildworlding as we speak |
| 00:03.30 | bnoah | wokker: also, i didnt know 2.4.0 was out :-D |
| 00:03.38 | bnoah | twirl83: they lie |
| 00:03.46 | bnoah | twirl83: every machine needs a name. the hostname |
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| 00:03.59 | bnoah | they also have a domainname |
| 00:04.13 | bnoah | www is the hostname, google.com is the domain |
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| 00:04.31 | _kaiser_ | kinda offtopic, but does anyone have any comments on learning assembly with AT&T (using gas) or Intel (using nasm) syntax? |
| 00:04.39 | valdyn | bnoah: thats only a naming convention, slashdot.org _is_ a host too |
| 00:04.43 | greycat | google.com is also a hostname (it has an A record) |
| 00:04.54 | greycat | 3 A records, even ;-) |
| 00:04.57 | twirl83 | ic |
| 00:05.21 | wokker | bnoah, i need to know how much you weigh |
| 00:05.35 | bnoah | hmm |
| 00:05.36 | twirl83 | greycat: if google.com is a hostname, and a domain name, then why the www ? :) |
| 00:05.41 | wokker | bnoah, for my records |
| 00:05.47 | greycat | twirl83: because people expect it to work. |
| 00:05.49 | caphuso | twirl83: because of the warm and fuzzy feeling |
| 00:05.54 | directhex | twirl83, because it's expected |
| 00:06.08 | caphuso | it's really just to make people comfortable, since they know "web addresses start with www" |
| 00:06.09 | wokker | twirl83, cause they could have a mail.google.com or a smtp.google.com or fatdude.google.com |
| 00:06.13 | greycat | just like http://www.slashdot.org/ works in addition to http://slashdot.org/ |
| 00:06.25 | wokker | twirl83, all different hosts in that domain |
| 00:06.27 | bnoah | wokker: about 70lb |
| 00:06.32 | _kaiser_ | b.c www = world wide web which is the general understanding of the population |
| 00:06.34 | directhex | twirl83, i often don't put www and some sites won't work without it - because the admins are too lazy to put in an A rtecord for the domain on its own |
| 00:06.36 | bnoah | wokker: i'm a 14yo japanese schoolgirl |
| 00:06.39 | wokker | bnoah, lol ... i'm about 70 kgs |
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| 00:06.57 | caphuso | directhex: or use it for some other box than the one the web server runs on... |
| 00:06.57 | wokker | bnoah, hot diggity dawg |
| 00:07.14 | rp_ | Does anyone knows how to delete a key from gconf? |
| 00:07.14 | directhex | caphuso, i suspect laziness is more likely though |
| 00:07.15 | greycat | bnoah: uh huh. right. ;-) |
| 00:07.18 | wokker | bnoah, anyway, why should i patch my fbsd box? |
| 00:07.23 | directhex | caphuso, or stupidity |
| 00:07.26 | rp_ | My evolution is crashing and I would like to "reset" it... |
| 00:07.28 | kawfee | CAPH! |
| 00:07.33 | bourboncowboy | so you don't get rooted? |
| 00:07.33 | directhex | caphuso, there's a whole lot o' stupidity going around |
| 00:07.37 | bnoah | wokker: sec |
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| 00:07.43 | bourboncowboy | that's always a good reason to patch |
| 00:07.44 | twirl83 | wokker: thanks |
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| 00:08.02 | wokker | bourboncowboy, lol ... do you know what the security patches they issued are for? |
| 00:08.03 | graytron | wokker: what's your mother's maiden name? |
| 00:08.12 | wokker | graytron, beefhausen |
| 00:08.20 | bourboncowboy | wokker: not off hand. i use another bsd |
| 00:08.26 | bnoah | wokker: http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/4.10R/errata.html because of that |
| 00:08.31 | twirl83 | wokker: do you know a good book about dns |
| 00:08.45 | bourboncowboy | twirl83: ORA's DNS and Bind |
| 00:08.54 | wokker | bnoah, heh i know why, just wanted to know if you did |
| 00:08.57 | bourboncowboy | or the other way around |
| 00:09.14 | bnoah | wokker: well, if i were you, i was running 5.3b3 anyways :-P |
| 00:09.20 | mseney | droopy, im back now just give me a sec to look more... |
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| 00:09.43 | swim | would you folks say that gentoo is an easier install then debian? |
| 00:09.47 | bnoah | wokker: do you have smp? |
| 00:09.51 | wokker | bnoah, not here at work ... gotta go with production |
| 00:10.01 | bnoah | oh well, that makes sense |
| 00:10.05 | graytron | wokker: thanks |
| 00:10.09 | wokker | bnoah, nope ... i save that for the ibm machines :) |
| 00:10.31 | wokker | graytron, glad to help ... why did you want to know? |
| 00:10.35 | valdyn | swim: whats "easy" about the gentoo install? |
| 00:10.40 | droopy | mseney I think I know why I just don't know how too fix it. I use runit to launch gdm and use the script that is in the docs. |
| 00:10.45 | graytron | wokker: for my personal records |
| 00:10.47 | wokker | twirl83, hmm i have a book .. but it's not all that good |
| 00:10.55 | wokker | graytron, my own surname is Poopenheimer |
| 00:11.04 | wokker | graytron, for your records |
| 00:11.17 | graytron | wokker: thank you very much |
| 00:11.35 | twirl83 | wokker: I had a look once at dns and bind, but it strongly assume that you already know about dns |
| 00:11.36 | mseney | droopy, yeah i wish i knew more about it bud...is this on a laptop? |
| 00:11.52 | swim | valdyn just trying to compare the two installs... not saying gentoo install is particularly easy |
| 00:12.01 | wokker | twirl83, i do but i don't tutor :) |
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| 00:12.08 | mseney | droopy, ive done a few searches and only come up with DHCLIENT_SET_HOSTNAME to no in /etc/sysconfig/network/dhcp |
| 00:12.15 | wokker | graytron, Horatio J. Poopenheimer |
| 00:12.40 | twirl83 | wokker: hehehe, I was talking about my case :) :) |
| 00:12.40 | valdyn | swim: you can install debian like gentoo ( dfs , debian from scratch, i think ), or use the debian installer, which is easier |
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| 00:13.28 | swim | mmm valdyn didnt know there was a debian installer |
| 00:13.35 | swim | is there a page I can learn about it? |
| 00:13.37 | droopy | mseney nope its a box. Create that cause I don't have it. I have seen something else that wanted /etc/sysconfig is that new?? |
| 00:14.07 | wokker | twirl83, dns and named can be a f*ck around sometimes |
| 00:14.10 | valdyn | swim: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 00:15.25 | valdyn | swim: and.. /msg dpkg dfs ( iirc the gentoo way ) |
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| 00:15.38 | mseney | droopy, it almost sounds like your computer boots with a preconfigured hostname, xdm generates an .Xauthority file with a magic cookie for this hostname, then the DHCP client asks for an IP address and a new hostname, the DHCP client changes its hostname. the user logs in but now the hostname doesn't match the previously authorized one so none of the clients can connect to the xserver |
| 00:15.59 | twirl83 | wokker: aha... I can feel that... but to be honest I have a weak background in networking, and I feel that I must have a minimum knowledge at least. |
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| 00:16.43 | droopy | mseney OK someone in the orient has been trying to connect to my sshd. I am going to do chrootkit. |
| 00:16.54 | n6tadam | Long train. |
| 00:16.54 | wokker | twirl83, well if you ever get stuck just ask bnoah , he is always glad to help |
| 00:17.01 | wokker | twirl83, just give him food |
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| 00:17.27 | bnoah | wokker: which is quite hard over irc |
| 00:17.28 | wokker | droopy, people in the orient constantly try to connect to lots of services |
| 00:17.36 | wokker | bnoah, he'll air freight it |
| 00:17.40 | graytron | people? |
| 00:17.44 | mseney | droopy, i run sarge as well and i guess there isn't a /etc/sysconfig dir hmm? |
| 00:17.46 | bnoah | that would do yes |
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| 00:18.02 | droopy | mseney Or is it my ISP ? |
| 00:18.07 | wokker | graytron, don't you want to know what the J. in my name stands for? |
| 00:18.17 | twirl83 | wokker: hehehhe, I will do my best. btw I felt the need to know about networking after I started working on linux, which I never did before |
| 00:18.20 | wokker | graytron, for your records? |
| 00:18.21 | greycat | "Jailbait"? |
| 00:18.27 | bnoah | Janet? |
| 00:18.30 | droopy | wokker sometimes ...:) |
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| 00:18.33 | graytron | wokker: i know what it stands for |
| 00:18.54 | wokker | twirl83, yeah, i started learning about networking and *nix at the same time |
| 00:18.58 | wokker | graytron, ok |
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| 00:19.28 | graytron | wokker: Jimmy ? |
| 00:19.29 | greatdane | anybody: Lately I've seen many login attempts on my boxes' sshd daemons - resulting in log entries such as "illegal user test from xxx.179.119.10" ... anybody know whether there are some vulnerability around? |
| 00:19.30 | mseney | droopy, have you tried it with the internet disconnected? |
| 00:19.39 | wokker | graytron, i thought you knew :( |
| 00:19.47 | mseney | droopy, so that dhcp can't change your hostname |
| 00:19.57 | graytron | wokker: you thought right |
| 00:20.10 | bnoah | greatdane: what is your ssh box's address? |
| 00:20.13 | wokker | graytron, are you coming on to me? |
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| 00:20.56 | droopy | mseney no ...I thought dhcp could only change my ip...hostname too?? |
| 00:20.56 | graytron | wokker: no, sorry. i don't have enough money |
| 00:21.03 | greatdane | bnoah: I've seen that on several boxes - 80 miles and several ip ranges apart... if you want my ip address, i'm sure that you're capable of finding it :-) |
| 00:21.12 | greycat | DHCP will change your resolv.conf too. |
| 00:21.14 | wokker | graytron, i'll give the first 10 mins free for you |
| 00:21.23 | deadcat | wokker: you a hooker? |
| 00:21.36 | wokker | deadcat, i prefer the term rent boy |
| 00:21.40 | droopy | greycat that I can see |
| 00:21.41 | deadcat | (= |
| 00:21.41 | greycat | wokker: perhaps you should take this to /msg |
| 00:21.42 | mseney | droopy, it sounds from what i read that it could |
| 00:21.43 | graytron | wokker: gee! thanks |
| 00:21.43 | bourboncowboy | greatdane: that is just a lamer knocking your your door. if you had a real "visitor" your logs wouldn't even report it |
| 00:21.53 | wokker | greycat, yes |
| 00:21.54 | bnoah | greatdane: and they try to connect as test and such? |
| 00:21.58 | bnoah | that's harmless |
| 00:22.17 | mseney | droopy, we could be totally off on in but shutdown your machine, unplug it from the internet and try it, then if it works your on your way to solving it |
| 00:22.21 | wokker | greatdane, i get them constantly .. along with guest and admin |
| 00:22.29 | greatdane | bnoah: it's getting fairly regular with such "scans" from all over... trying users "test", "guest" and root ... |
| 00:22.30 | wokker | greatdane, mostly from china and surrounds |
| 00:22.54 | graytron | wokker: yes. please /msg greycat |
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| 00:22.59 | wokker | greatdane, maybe they are just a curious people |
| 00:23.14 | greatdane | wokker: I've only seen them in the last month or so... made me worried about possible vulnerabilities going around... |
| 00:23.15 | bnoah | why /msg greycat? |
| 00:23.21 | graytron | he suggested it |
| 00:23.26 | wokker | graytron, i have no conversation with greycat ... |
| 00:23.27 | bourboncowboy | greatdane: you need to config a firewall against wankers. or learn to strike back. fucking hard. |
| 00:23.31 | deadcat | sudo sysctl -w |
| 00:23.32 | deadcat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:23.32 | greatdane | wokker: or perhaps there is a distro that have default passwords for those users? |
| 00:23.34 | deadcat | what this do? |
| 00:23.39 | wokker | bourboncowboy, lol, nice advice |
| 00:23.55 | bourboncowboy | wokker: never take that crap. |
| 00:24.04 | droopy | mseney THANKS ok I think I know dhcp3-client runs as a service right? |
| 00:24.12 | bourboncowboy | "it is harmless" is not an answer |
| 00:24.17 | wokker | greatdane, not that i know of ... i only allow certain ips to connect to my ssh server through my firewall anyway |
| 00:24.20 | bourboncowboy | nothing is harmless |
| 00:24.23 | greatdane | bourboncowboy: i doubt whether striking back is a good idea - they may be coming through somebody else's boxes... |
| 00:24.34 | bourboncowboy | greatdane: then you find that out too |
| 00:25.15 | greatdane | wokker: problem is that i don't know which ips i will be coming from - moving laptop around between customer's sites... |
| 00:25.18 | idnar | bourboncowboy: it's nontrivial to determine whether the source of the attack is the originating point, or merely a compromised box used along the way |
| 00:25.29 | wokker | bourboncowboy, you'd be a very busy person if you struck back at every script kiddie attempt |
| 00:25.31 | mseney | droopy, yeah i don't know enough about that to help you shut it down w/out restarting but if you know how try it but prob your hostname will stay the same so you would have to change it to what it should be using #hostname {name} |
| 00:25.46 | bourboncowboy | wokker: no. i have very busy bots and scripts |
| 00:25.57 | bourboncowboy | idnar: i disagree. |
| 00:26.24 | bnoah | :-) |
| 00:26.25 | idnar | bourboncowboy: you'd have to somehow gain access to the system, check for rootkits or other evidence of being compromised, and so on |
| 00:26.37 | bourboncowboy | idnar: yes "somehow" |
| 00:26.42 | droopy | mseney COOL will try THANKS |
| 00:26.46 | wokker | greatdane, yeah that is a problem ... anyway, like i say , it happens to everyone, if that is any consolation :) |
| 00:26.46 | bnoah | bourboncowboy: so, how do you find out the real source of, say an nmap idlescan? |
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| 00:26.53 | idnar | bourboncowboy: and you're now going to try and do this every 30 seconds just because some script kiddie knocked on your box? |
| 00:26.57 | idnar | bourboncowboy: that's ridiculous |
| 00:27.01 | greatdane | bourboncowboy: what prevents you from accidentally hitting some innocent (possibly rooted) 3rd party? |
| 00:27.10 | bourboncowboy | bnoah: if you need the answer, we can discuss a consulting fee |
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| 00:27.20 | wokker | bourboncowboy, you must waste a lot of cycles on crud |
| 00:27.32 | svenny | a quickie: any ideas how to get acpi installed in testing - is it not a module? |
| 00:27.35 | bnoah | bourboncowboy: no, i only want you to admit that it's impossible to find out the real source |
| 00:27.40 | bourboncowboy | greatdane: if he is rooted, he is not innocent. he is a player whether he licks it or not |
| 00:27.44 | Zetabyte | i run seti at home all the time, it's my most mission-critical process. |
| 00:27.45 | bourboncowboy | bnoah: not a chance |
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| 00:28.00 | sgeigerbot | ~test |
| 00:28.02 | apt | Failed |
| 00:28.06 | bourboncowboy | bnoah: what you want does not concern me |
| 00:28.26 | bnoah | ? |
| 00:28.37 | wokker | bnoah, what are you expecting of a guy calling himself bourboncowboy? restraint and mature thinking :) |
| 00:28.46 | bourboncowboy | bnoah: you said you wanted something from me. an admission of something i know to be false |
| 00:28.51 | bourboncowboy | you can't have it |
| 00:28.52 | bnoah | wokker: heh |
| 00:28.53 | idnar | bourboncowboy: also, dunno about you, but my ISP likely would have a rather negative response when they see me performing DoS attacks every 30 seconds or so on seemingly-random boxen |
| 00:29.07 | greatdane | bourboncowboy: but should they be treated the same way? if they don't know they've been rooted then *you* will be seen as the attacker... [american by any chance?] |
| 00:29.10 | sgeigerbot | idnar: time for a new ISP |
| 00:29.18 | idnar | sgeigerbot: I don't get much of a choice in this country |
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| 00:29.35 | vesty | howdy folks, anyone home? |
| 00:29.39 | bourboncowboy | greatdane: no. interesting you assume my nationality. i happen to be a finn |
| 00:29.41 | wokker | greycat, it's sunday here ... |
| 00:29.44 | Zetabyte | script kiddies threaten the reliability of my setiathome data processing. |
| 00:29.58 | bnoah | yea, since 30 minutes |
| 00:29.59 | Zetabyte | =) |
| 00:30.00 | idnar | bourboncowboy: anyway, even if you exclude the compromised-host case, that still doesn't change the fact that you'll need upstream cooperation to determine the source of IP packets with a forged source IP |
| 00:30.02 | bourboncowboy | and a finn that got tired of idiots setting my pager off in the small hours |
| 00:30.09 | greycat | Zetabyte: they're gonna steal your grandma pr0n!! |
| 00:30.10 | greatdane | bourboncowboy: the american sterotype hit me again... no offence intended... |
| 00:30.23 | Zetabyte | not my granma pr0n!! noooo! |
| 00:30.29 | sgeigerbot | idnar: south aftrica, eh? |
| 00:30.45 | idnar | sgeigerbot: apparently so |
| 00:30.48 | bourboncowboy | idnar: you assume, again, that i ask for cooperation. doing slows the hunt down |
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| 00:31.03 | vesty | I'm a total linux newb, so apologies for the silly questions in advance.... I've just succesfully installed debian (I think) and am attempting to setup KDE on it. I installed the DVD .iso's which I think is the sarge version. Anyway... When I attempted to follow the directions to install kde |
| 00:31.13 | bnoah | bourboncowboy: but you deny to tell us how would you do that "hunt down" |
| 00:31.16 | vesty | I first got an error about it not beign able to find kdegraphics |
| 00:31.25 | bnoah | that means you dont know yourself |
| 00:31.26 | vesty | followed the directions from http://davidpashley.com/debian-kde/faq.html#id2801433 |
| 00:31.35 | greycat | vesty: /topic |
| 00:31.36 | idnar | bourboncowboy: you gain illegitimate access to upstream hosts to track down spoofed packets? that's pathetic |
| 00:31.46 | Zetabyte | vesty: have you set up /etc/apt/list.sources to point to net sources too? |
| 00:31.56 | bourboncowboy | idnar: then see to your box and you won't hear from me |
| 00:32.00 | vesty | greycat: I can't ask questions here? |
| 00:32.11 | greycat | vesty: you can ask, but your question is answered in the topic. |
| 00:32.14 | idnar | bourboncowboy: I couldn't care less whether I "hear from you" or not |
| 00:32.16 | vesty | zetabyte: nope I haven't... how do I do that? |
| 00:32.27 | idnar | bourboncowboy: it's just the most absurd story I've heard this week |
| 00:32.45 | wokker | idnar, i agree ... |
| 00:32.49 | vesty | greycat: yeah I read it mate... :(. I've tried following it but it doesn't want to work. Honestly, i'm an absolute newby so am having significant trouble |
| 00:32.54 | bourboncowboy | idnar: nor can i. then sit yourself down and quit probbing for answers you can't understand and will not get unless money crosses palms |
| 00:32.58 | bnoah | wokker, idnar: i agree |
| 00:33.02 | bnoah | :-) |
| 00:33.04 | greycat | vesty: how can "kde temporarily gone" ever "work"? |
| 00:33.08 | valdyn | v |
| 00:33.11 | wokker | bnoah, let's all hug |
| 00:33.22 | Zetabyte | well - if you would like to download packages off the net, if your connection is fast enough, you can set up your sources to switch to sid, which would pretty much get you what you want |
| 00:33.23 | bnoah | wokker: let's all laugh at bourboncowboy |
| 00:33.28 | wokker | bnoah, somehow i *know* that will offend bourboncowboy |
| 00:33.32 | vesty | greycat: is sarge the same as testing? |
| 00:33.34 | bourboncowboy | hardly |
| 00:33.35 | greycat | vesty: yes |
| 00:33.37 | wokker | bnoah, too late, i already have :) |
| 00:33.37 | idnar | bourboncowboy: people pay you money for this? bwahahahaha. looks like I'm in the wrong business |
| 00:33.41 | Zetabyte | sarge=testing, sid=unstable |
| 00:33.48 | bourboncowboy | idnar: you must be. |
| 00:33.50 | Zetabyte | but unstable = 100000 times more stable than windoze |
| 00:33.54 | vesty | greycat: ah, ok :). When you said read the topic, I assumed you meant read the FAQ |
| 00:34.01 | greycat | vesty: please do that also :) |
| 00:34.16 | Fluten | is there any way to have a gzipp'd tarball mounted as a filesystem? |
| 00:34.16 | bourboncowboy | idnar: then again, you haven't the tools, now do you? |
| 00:34.21 | Fluten | or are there filesystems made for this? |
| 00:34.29 | greycat | Fluten: if you write a driver for it, I suppose you could... |
| 00:34.30 | vesty | greycat: I did. Thats the problem... was getting nowhere. So what exactly does that mean... Is it being worked on or something? |
| 00:34.30 | Zetabyte | long story short - vesty: switch to sid, imho, it's easier all-around |
| 00:34.40 | greycat | vesty: yes, wait a few days |
| 00:34.40 | bnoah | Fluten: lfs.sf.net |
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| 00:34.57 | vesty | zetabyte: is there a way to switch after install? I only did sarge because it was the only DVD .iso's I could find |
| 00:35.06 | Zetabyte | yes, all part of the beauty of apt |
| 00:35.07 | greycat | Zetabyte: the problem with that is that he can't switch back. |
| 00:35.08 | sgeigerbot | vesty: To upgrade testing/sarge to unstable/sid: "sudo perl -pi~ -ne 's/(testing|sarge)/sid/g; print unless /security.debian.org/' /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" |
| 00:35.10 | Zetabyte | !dist-upgrade |
| 00:35.10 | servus | I 'switched' my s/testing/unstable/g on my apt sources list. |
| 00:35.10 | dpkg | ask me about 'potato->woody' or 'potato->sid', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. |
| 00:35.11 | vesty | greycat: Ok thanks greycat |
| 00:35.22 | greatdane | bnoah: anybody with experience of ftpfs? is it stable? |
| 00:35.44 | greycat | dpkg, dist-upgrade =~ s/potato->sid/stable->testing/ |
| 00:35.44 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 00:35.45 | bnoah | i dont know |
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| 00:36.06 | sgeigerbot | vesty: However, with sid, if something is broken, it will get fixed sooner rather than later, in my experience. |
| 00:36.07 | Zetabyte | dpkg is so sweet. |
| 00:36.07 | dpkg | Zetabyte: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:36.13 | vesty | so wait... I should do what sgeirgerbot said? |
| 00:36.20 | greycat | dpkg: Zetabyte has the hots for you |
| 00:36.20 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, greycat |
| 00:36.45 | vesty | sgeirgerbot: ok, I'll give that a go... I'm so stumbling in the dark its ridiculous right now :) |
| 00:36.46 | sgeigerbot | bugger just Zetabyte, dpkg |
| 00:36.53 | Zetabyte | what are you setting up debian for, vesty - to play around, run a production server, something inbetween? |
| 00:37.01 | vesty | something in between |
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| 00:37.08 | vesty | learn linux, plus I wouldn't mind a web server here |
| 00:37.12 | sgeigerbot | vesty: once you get a working sid, though, don't do things like dist-upgrade. That's only asking for trouble. |
| 00:37.16 | Zetabyte | i would run unstable then |
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| 00:37.23 | wokker | greycat, i just saw your picture .. may i say you are a very attractive man |
| 00:37.24 | t-jack | What's the best speech server for Debian? |
| 00:37.26 | greycat | unstable can be a learning experience... |
| 00:37.29 | Zetabyte | what greycat was saying is, you can't go back to the older, more stable stuff once you do unstable. |
| 00:37.35 | greycat | wokker: my wife thinks so. |
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| 00:37.40 | rares000 | 94 BogoMips WTF is going on with my laptop |
| 00:37.41 | sgeigerbot | vesty: sid is fine for learning. |
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| 00:37.48 | bnoah | wokker: picture? where? |
| 00:37.58 | Zetabyte | and i run lots of services on sid, and find them more than stable enough for most purposes |
| 00:38.04 | wokker | http://wooledge.org/~greg/index2.html |
| 00:38.09 | vesty | sgeirbot: so if I do what you said above, it will switch me over to sid? |
| 00:38.20 | mrwoody | does anyone know how to convert mp3 to mp2? |
| 00:38.21 | bnoah | wokker: are you smoking something? :-) |
| 00:38.24 | sgeigerbot | vesty: re-read the factoid |
| 00:38.27 | wokker | bnoah, lol |
| 00:38.36 | Zetabyte | sgeigerbot is a bot...right? hehe |
| 00:38.38 | greycat | mrwoody: decode it (madplay or mpg321), then encode it as mp2 (toolame) |
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| 00:38.49 | sgeigerbot | Zetabyte: You think I'm a bot? Ouch! That Mega Hurts! |
| 00:38.51 | wokker | i often find libertarian ops a bit of a paradox |
| 00:38.57 | mrwoody | greycat: thanks |
| 00:39.07 | rares000 | why would you use mp2? |
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| 00:39.16 | greycat | god only knows |
| 00:39.20 | elPepo | hi friends |
| 00:39.57 | elPepo | i've installed sarge... how do I can see my spanish characters from NTFS ? |
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| 00:40.09 | greycat | rares000: what i'd do, personally is: 1) get the CD somehow, 2) rip and encode the track to Vorbis, 3) delete the mp3 |
| 00:40.09 | vesty | Ok... here's a random problem. When I Attempt to do a ~ character it just beeps at me. ` is fine, but ~ wont work |
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| 00:40.19 | idnar | sgeigerbot: incidentally, ISPs supporting customers performing denial of service attacks doesn't really sound like a great idea |
| 00:40.27 | greycat | vesty: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 00:40.42 | rares000 | well can you tell me why I'm getting 92 BogoMips |
| 00:40.55 | Zetabyte | vorbis > all. |
| 00:41.03 | greycat | elPepo: you mean you have files with non-ASCII characters in their names, on an NTFS file system? |
| 00:41.15 | greycat | elPepo: if so: are they encoded in ISO-8859 or in UTF-8? |
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| 00:41.39 | greycat | at a sufficiently high bitrate they're all indistinguishable |
| 00:41.43 | elPepo | maybe utf-8, i dont know |
| 00:41.51 | Zetabyte | vorbis is a free, open-source friendly protocol with better sound for more compact compression. wether you can hear the difference or not, it's win-win |
| 00:41.53 | vesty | um... where do I find msg? |
| 00:41.54 | greycat | if you want to tell the difference, try encoding the same track to both mp3 and vorbis at 64 kbps |
| 00:42.16 | vesty | (i'm really struggling here) |
| 00:42.19 | greycat | elPepo: "ls -b" will give you some info... |
| 00:42.21 | ebene | ipod has ogg support right? |
| 00:42.29 | greycat | ebene: not that I know of |
| 00:42.32 | ebene | hmm k |
| 00:42.38 | wokker | greycat, can i just ask something OT ... i can't tell by your t-shirt in the photo whether you are for or against Bush |
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| 00:42.42 | Zetabyte | type /msg <name> <text> to send messages, if you /msg dpkg !<something> he (the bot) will tell you about it |
| 00:42.48 | greycat | wokker: you're kidding, right? |
| 00:42.54 | vesty | ah :) |
| 00:43.08 | vesty | I thought it was something I was meant to type in linux :) haha |
| 00:43.14 | wokker | greycat, well i suspect against, but it could be for |
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| 00:43.16 | Zetabyte | which is why i love dpkg. i think he's an incredibly cool bot. |
| 00:43.45 | initech | vesty: what it that? "</bush>" or something? |
| 00:43.48 | elPepo | i fstab i use: /dev/hda1 /mnt/winxp ntfs defaults,utf8 0 0 |
| 00:44.06 | elPepo | with ls -b i receive: pap\303\241 instead papá |
| 00:44.10 | greycat | elPepo: are you running with a UTF-8 locale, or an ISO 8859 one? |
| 00:44.20 | greycat | elPepo: ok, that's UTF-8 |
| 00:44.25 | elPepo | iso-8859 |
| 00:44.29 | greycat | elPepo: dpkg-reconfigure locales, and choose a UTF-8 one |
| 00:44.36 | vesty | Ah much better :) |
| 00:44.47 | vesty | initech: what do you mean? (</bush>?) |
| 00:45.08 | rares000 | how do I configure apm |
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| 00:45.09 | initech | vesty: nothing, i've seen that before on tshirts |
| 00:45.15 | terraces | Hi, I've jut install ipw2100 module, built it as external then loaded. But nothing happen when I do ifup on my wireless interface |
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| 00:45.33 | Es-web | Hey how do i rename a folder form the console ? |
| 00:45.35 | elPepo | normal user with "locale" receive es_EC , but root receive POSIX |
| 00:45.36 | greycat | is that something like <bush> thousands dead in new york, thousands dead in afghanistan, thousands dead in iraq, civil liberties destroyed, </bush> ? |
| 00:45.46 | valdyn | terraces: ipw2100 is not enough |
| 00:45.49 | ebene | Es-web: us mv |
| 00:45.50 | greycat | Es-web: mv |
| 00:45.57 | ebene | use* |
| 00:45.59 | rares000 | or how do I tell kapmd to stop downmipsing my cpu |
| 00:46.04 | greycat | elPepo: root should not be logging in anyway |
| 00:46.05 | wokker | greycat, no , i think it is just to signify the end of bush |
| 00:46.06 | initech | greycat: yes, but possibly more in there if he gets reelected |
| 00:46.15 | terraces | valdyn, I also got the firmware, and wireless-tools package. What else do I need ? |
| 00:46.19 | Es-web | thanks |
| 00:46.22 | Es-web | ;D |
| 00:46.24 | Fluten | greycat, as with him, we must destroy civil librities to save them (as with the patriot act) |
| 00:46.31 | greycat | !kill initech |
| 00:46.36 | valdyn | terraces: i did it 2 days ago or something i believe it was "mii.." that needs to be loaded too |
| 00:46.53 | ebene | !damn Broadcom |
| 00:46.58 | initech | greycat: huh? no one hates that smug prick more than me |
| 00:47.04 | vesty | initech: ah ok :) |
| 00:47.18 | greycat | initech: then don't say things like that out loud; you might encourage people to vote for him or something |
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| 00:47.27 | Es-web | why is it that my apache cant open a php site i have installed php |
| 00:47.28 | terraces | valdyn, is that a module ? |
| 00:47.30 | rares000 | <bush> When I take action, I'm not going fire a $2M missile at a $10 tent and hit a camel in the butt. I'm going to be decisive. |
| 00:47.34 | elPepo | if I change "locale" my KDE will be fine ? |
| 00:47.36 | wokker | initech, i thought greycat disliked him as well, but then i read that he wanted to lick him ... i was most confused |
| 00:47.38 | rares000 | </bush> |
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| 00:47.46 | vesty | sgeigerbot: hey, I tried doing what you said to upgrade to sid, but I get command not found for 'sudo' |
| 00:47.49 | valdyn | terraces try "modprobe mii", and after that "mii-tool" |
| 00:48.05 | terraces | Es-web, did you change your httpd.conf to allow it to parse php files ? |
| 00:48.06 | servus | apt-get install sudo? :-) |
| 00:48.10 | initech | wokker: it's a pun |
| 00:48.13 | greycat | dpkg, qotd73 is <wokker> initech, i thought greycat disliked him as well, but then i read that he wanted to lick him ... i was most confused |
| 00:48.13 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 00:48.20 | Es-web | is it bacaus it is a php3 site and i have installed php4 ? |
| 00:48.25 | greycat | dpkg, qotd0 =~ s/72/72|73/ |
| 00:48.26 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 00:48.28 | exobyte | I'm getting this error when I install mythtv. mythtv-database: Depends: mythtv-common (= 0.11-1) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libdbd-mysql-perl but it is not installable |
| 00:48.44 | vesty | servus: looks like its doing something! (ps say hello to the newby) |
| 00:48.44 | wokker | initech, oh i see ... my grasp of English is less than adequate at times |
| 00:48.54 | servus | Hi newbie. |
| 00:49.21 | initech | wokker: "lick" also mean to "beat" someone, but "bush" also means "pussy" |
| 00:49.25 | greycat | wokker: "lick" means both "to rub your tongue against" and "to beat" |
| 00:49.29 | vesty | how do I setup apt-get to get stuff from the wbeb? Right now it always asks me for the CD every time |
| 00:49.33 | iceman | hm. I got distccd running on the server, set environment variable on the client to 'localhost serverhost' started with MAKEFLAGS="CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=8 CC=distcc" make-kpkg.... but the server just isn't helping anything :) any ideas? |
| 00:49.42 | wokker | greycat, ahh i see |
| 00:49.48 | wokker | initech, lol |
| 00:50.13 | wokker | greycat, you wish to beat Bush senseless |
| 00:50.14 | deadcat | vesty: apt-setup |
| 00:50.19 | gx1 | bush = hairy puss = > shaved |
| 00:50.25 | greycat | I've also heard of people selling women's panties bearing the slogans like "Lick Bush" and "Give Bush the finger", but unfortunately I haven't seen them in real life yet |
| 00:50.40 | terraces | valdyn, same stuff ... Did you change any network configuration file ? |
| 00:50.41 | initech | wokker: so you see these stickers with "Lick BUSH, Beat Dick!" |
| 00:50.50 | wokker | initech, LOL |
| 00:50.51 | vesty | deadcat: ah nice, thanks mate |
| 00:50.53 | Zetabyte | http://zetabyte.gnuts.org/bushvkerry.jpg |
| 00:50.56 | wokker | initech, now that is funny |
| 00:50.59 | Zetabyte | whoever wins... WE LOSE. |
| 00:51.00 | deadcat | vesty: anytime mate |
| 00:51.09 | valdyn | terraces: well, yes, but mii-tool should work if your hardware is found. |
| 00:51.14 | servus | Great, Zetabyte |
| 00:51.26 | deadcat | Zetabyte: nice (= |
| 00:51.29 | initech | Zetabyte: whatever, bush is worse than almost anything |
| 00:51.34 | wokker | and again i apologise for my poor grasp of english .. i'm australian |
| 00:51.36 | Zetabyte | wish i could take credit, but not my original creation. found on fark photoshop competition. |
| 00:51.47 | iceman | distcc[10126] ERROR: Connect timeout :( |
| 00:52.03 | servus | Snicker |
| 00:52.05 | Zetabyte | oh, i think i'm voting for kerry. i'm just saying - gonna suck either way. |
| 00:52.10 | servus | I compiled 100% of the 2.6.8 kernel in half an hour, so there. |
| 00:52.18 | terraces | valdyn, mii-tool give me "SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth2' failed: Operation not supported" :(. But if I do iwconfig, I see that eth2 is my wireless interface |
| 00:52.31 | gx1 | im votin for hillary |
| 00:52.37 | greycat | compile times for kernels don't mean much unless we know which things were configured, and which were disabled |
| 00:52.43 | directhex | i'm voting for Phated |
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| 00:53.13 | servus | greycat, when i said 100%, I meant every single module :-) |
| 00:53.37 | deadcat | servus: what machine you have? |
| 00:53.40 | valdyn | terraces: does it show up in "ifconfig" ? |
| 00:54.17 | servus | Just a 2.5GHz Athlon XP, but with gcc recompiled for my machine. To be fair, I have a dual-CPU 3.0GHz Xeon machine too, but I didn't use that. |
| 00:55.05 | greycat | servus: with modern machines, disk throughput also matters, not just CPU speed |
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| 00:55.09 | terraces | yes (heres my ifconfig result: http://pastebin.com/98441 |
| 00:55.11 | Zetabyte | does recompiling GCC make a big performance improvement on P4 platforms, or is the binary package pretty well-optimized? |
| 00:55.47 | rares000 | the amount of time lost recompiling gcc make me wonder |
| 00:56.02 | Fluten | has tasksel changed from woody to sarge? |
| 00:56.08 | greycat | probably |
| 00:56.14 | Fluten | since before, there were more options of things to be installed |
| 00:56.14 | vesty | sgeigerbot: so what you told me before... thats going to upgrade me to sid right? |
| 00:56.17 | deadcat | Fluten: tasksel blows. use something else |
| 00:56.23 | vesty | sgeigerbot: then I'll be able to crank up kde? |
| 00:56.23 | valdyn | terraces: ok - so all is fine basically, what you're missing is networks setup, resides in "/etc/networking/interfaces", try "man interfaces" |
| 00:56.25 | servus | graytron, OK, just a 7200 RPM 8MB buffer machine. Nothing too special, actually. Dunno why I'm "boasting" :-p |
| 00:56.35 | Fluten | deadcat, just wanted to use it to install some basic game apps |
| 00:56.37 | greycat | Fluten: remember that sarge isn't actually finished yet... |
| 00:56.49 | deadcat | Fluten: aptitude |
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| 00:57.05 | vesty | sgeigerbot: actually... it looks like it had all these errors... 'couldn't stat package' |
| 00:57.15 | rares000 | yes you have to use tasksel --deadcat which is an alias for aptitude |
| 00:57.16 | valdyn | terraces: gonna use dhcp? |
| 00:57.33 | deadcat | vesty: ya. in sid. once you're fucked, no one gonna help you. |
| 00:57.51 | vesty | deadcat: ok... well that definitely doesn't soudn like what i'm after :( |
| 00:57.51 | valdyn | terraces: urgh, its "/etc/network/interfaces" |
| 00:58.14 | vesty | should I just start over? |
| 00:58.57 | wokker | servus, i like it when you boast |
| 00:59.03 | servus | How very disturbing. |
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| 00:59.20 | wokker | servus, my gf doesnt' like it much, i have to admit |
| 00:59.20 | terraces | valdyn, Ive already setup my interface in this file (auto eth2\ iface eth2 inet dhcp). Is that OK ? |
| 00:59.42 | servus | Darn girlfriend |
| 00:59.42 | Zetabyte | vesty: if you'd like to learn about what your doing, check out: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/index.en.html |
| 00:59.45 | rares000 | !kapmd |
| 01:00.01 | rares000 | this blows |
| 01:00.07 | Zetabyte | read up on that and you'll understand how to use apt to change to sid, and install packages |
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| 01:00.26 | vesty | zetabyte: ok will do... Just so manual'ed out right now... |
| 01:00.33 | valdyn | terraces: yea, thats fine, but it wasn't started? ( reboot does that, "/etc/init.d/networking restart" too ) |
| 01:00.50 | Zetabyte | i hear ya, man |
| 01:01.09 | vesty | haha... in the first paragraph: "Its goal is to make life easier for new Debian users" |
| 01:01.10 | Es-web | how do i delete a dir form console when there still are files |
| 01:01.13 | vesty | what was it like before :) |
| 01:01.33 | Misirlou | Es-web: carefully, using "rm -rf" |
| 01:01.35 | SerajewelKS | Es-web, rm -fr directory |
| 01:02.25 | Es-web | thanks im trying to install phpmyadmin om my server but i can remember how it whas i dit it last time :S |
| 01:02.29 | deadcat | vesty: (= |
| 01:02.41 | SerajewelKS | what packages do i need to compile Qt3 apps on sarge? |
| 01:02.47 | SerajewelKS | i get this error when ./configuring |
| 01:02.52 | SerajewelKS | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. |
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| 01:03.18 | deadcat | SerajewelKS: apt-cache search qt dev |
| 01:03.44 | greycat | to narrow it down a bit, add --names-only |
| 01:03.55 | SerajewelKS | i thought i only needed qt-headers |
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| 01:04.44 | SerajewelKS | i have libqt3-headers installed |
| 01:04.57 | SerajewelKS | do i also need libqt3-dev? |
| 01:04.59 | Misirlou | apt-get build-dep package-name-here |
| 01:05.07 | greycat | SerajewelKS: clearly, what you have now doesn't work. |
| 01:05.19 | SerajewelKS | greycat, i suspect that the ./configure is broken |
| 01:05.36 | SerajewelKS | because in the config.log it says that it cannot find headers that 'locate' says exist on my system |
| 01:05.36 | Kbyte | SerajewelKS: ./configure --with-qt-dir=/usr/share/qt3 |
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| 01:06.09 | SerajewelKS | conftest.cc:2:21: qglobal.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:06.21 | SerajewelKS | /usr/include/qt3/qglobal.h |
| 01:06.24 | Kbyte | greycat: debian doesn't define QTDIR env variable... you have to tell configure where it can find qt stuff |
| 01:06.34 | greycat | why don't you try actually doing what we suggested, instead of repeating your problems over and over? |
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| 01:06.56 | SerajewelKS | i am providing more information, not repeating myself |
| 01:06.56 | exobyte | How can I force x stuff to go to a remote system? |
| 01:06.59 | wokker | greycat, he may be a republican |
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| 01:07.21 | greycat | exobyte: why? |
| 01:07.29 | bnoah | wokker: republicans dont use computers |
| 01:07.34 | greycat | whose display are you trying to fuck with? |
| 01:07.35 | bnoah | :s/dont/cannot/ |
| 01:07.43 | exobyte | greycat: well- I need to run something that requires x as a user that can't log in |
| 01:07.46 | wokker | bnoah, heh |
| 01:07.52 | greycat | exobyte: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 01:07.52 | bnoah | really |
| 01:08.04 | bnoah | i bet 90% of the hackers are not republicans |
| 01:08.09 | exobyte | greycat: not root, though |
| 01:08.17 | greycat | exobyte: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 01:08.18 | vesty | if I type 'apt-get update' then get all these errors "couldn't stat source package..." then 'you may want to run apt-get update to correct these probelms' what does that mean? |
| 01:08.26 | greycat | exobyte: or if you're REALLY REALLY REALLY DESPERATE, xhost +localhost |
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| 01:08.42 | deadcat | vesty: follow the instruction |
| 01:09.04 | Kbyte | exobyte: Does is it a local o remote machine? |
| 01:09.06 | vesty | yeah, but I typed 'apt-get update' then it tells me to run 'apt-get update to correct those problesm' |
| 01:09.07 | chass | when i try to build the mplayer-plugin for mozilla, the configure script complains that the package mozilla-plugin was not found.. any ideas? |
| 01:09.30 | Kbyte | exobyte: Is it a local machine try sux |
| 01:09.35 | deadcat | vesty: you might have dup. entries in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:09.43 | vesty | oh...? |
| 01:09.51 | vesty | If I scrap one? |
| 01:10.00 | deadcat | vesty: if they the same sure. |
| 01:10.37 | SerajewelKS | --with-qt-dir does not fix the problem |
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| 01:10.59 | greycat | SerajewelKS: did installing the proper libqt3-dev package fix it? |
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| 01:11.18 | SerajewelKS | greycat, that's going to take a few hours |
| 01:11.20 | greycat | (note that you often need the -mt one as well) |
| 01:11.26 | vesty | deacat: I have four lines #deb file:///cdrom/ sid main then I have four lines for DVD 1, then four for DVD 2.... I thought I changed it (with apt-config) so that it got stuff from the web? |
| 01:11.38 | greycat | !depends libqt3-dev sarge |
| 01:11.41 | dpkg | libqt3-dev: depends on xlibs-static-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libxext-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libxrandr-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), x-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libsm-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libxmu-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libice-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libx11-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libxt-dev (>= 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4), libmng-dev (>= 1.0.3), libpng12-0-dev, libjpeg62-dev, zlib1g-dev, libfreetype6-dev, libc6-dev, libqt3c102 (= 3:3.2.3-4), libqt3-headers (= 3:3.2.3-4), |
| 01:11.41 | dpkg | , xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev, xlibmesa-glu-dev | libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev, libxft-dev, libxrender-dev, libxcursor-dev, libaudio-dev |
| 01:11.46 | greycat | oh. fun. |
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| 01:12.21 | deadcat | vesty: if you have broadband. FUCK THE DVD |
| 01:12.24 | SerajewelKS | and (if i may repeat myself without getting flamed) config.log tells me that certain .h files are "missing" while `locate` reports that they exist |
| 01:12.50 | vesty | deadcat: yeah I have broadband... I thought i'd switched it over to http though, but it still lists all the DVD stuff here |
| 01:12.56 | servus | SerajewelKS, updatedb |
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| 01:13.01 | servus | Then locate again |
| 01:13.02 | greycat | deadcat: I don't think a dvd makes a very good sex toy |
| 01:13.02 | vesty | deadcat: run apt-config again? |
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| 01:13.12 | SerajewelKS | servus, updatedb runs every night |
| 01:13.17 | Kbyte | SerajewelKS: if it doen't fix the problem, you have forgot some devel package |
| 01:13.31 | SerajewelKS | and 'ls -l reports that they exist too' |
| 01:13.31 | deadcat | greycat: depends how you use it. (= |
| 01:13.37 | greycat | SerajewelKS: does "./configure --help" show you CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS? If so, use those. |
| 01:13.39 | deadcat | vesty: jsut edit the file and apt-get update again |
| 01:13.42 | servus | Then run it again now ;-) |
| 01:13.48 | ninja_ | top |
| 01:13.49 | servus | Oh ok |
| 01:13.50 | greycat | SerajewelKS: that's a feature of newer autoconf, when it generates ./configure |
| 01:13.54 | vesty | deadcat: delete everything in the file? |
| 01:14.00 | Kbyte | SerajewelKS: what source is? |
| 01:14.03 | servus | Then your include directories could be hosed. |
| 01:14.05 | vesty | deadcat: or just the dupes? |
| 01:14.07 | deadcat | vesty: no. just comment out the dvd lines or something |
| 01:14.13 | deadcat | vesty: ya the dupes |
| 01:14.18 | vesty | deadcat: thay're all dvd lines |
| 01:14.19 | SerajewelKS | Kbyte, i'm trying to compile mizio (mizio.sf.net) |
| 01:14.24 | greycat | vesty: apt-setup |
| 01:14.26 | vesty | k |
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| 01:14.47 | try_catch_this | ummm anyone know if kppp supports modem on hold? |
| 01:15.05 | SerajewelKS | on hold? |
| 01:15.08 | iceman | theres no way to uninstall the install kernel with dpkg right, you have to just go delete the files manually? |
| 01:15.20 | greycat | iceman: if it's woody's, yes |
| 01:15.35 | deadcat | wont apt-get remvoe do the trick? |
| 01:15.36 | greycat | iceman: just be careful, don't delete the one you need to boot :) |
| 01:15.38 | Kbyte | SerajewelKS: sourceforge is down for maintenance... I can't make a test without the sources.... |
| 01:15.41 | zruty | sid lets you uninstall the running kernel with a big warning |
| 01:15.49 | greycat | deadcat: woody's install kernel isn't in a .deb, it's just a bunch of files on disk |
| 01:15.52 | zruty | recommended you install a different kernel right after :) |
| 01:15.52 | SerajewelKS | Kbyte, i'll put the sources on my (56k) server if you want |
| 01:15.55 | try_catch_this | SerajewelKS: it lets you know if someone is calling you |
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| 01:16.11 | deadcat | greycat: oh. like the bf24 kernel? |
| 01:16.15 | greycat | deadcat: yes |
| 01:16.28 | SerajewelKS | try_catch_this, i don't think very many dialers support that at all |
| 01:16.34 | deadcat | greycat: ya. i was looking for it in dpkg -l hahah |
| 01:16.38 | greycat | deadcat: unless you explicitly apt-get installed kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 to get the security fixers |
| 01:16.39 | Kbyte | SerajewelKS: can't you send it by dcc? |
| 01:16.43 | greycat | s/fixers/fixes/ |
| 01:16.48 | deadcat | i see |
| 01:16.53 | iceman | greycat: hehe, and that will be the files in /boot, symlink in / and /lib/modules, right? |
| 01:16.56 | try_catch_this | ok |
| 01:17.05 | greycat | iceman: yeah |
| 01:17.07 | z36ra | anyone install sarge lately? I get only a base install. the last time I was able to install desktop but not now. |
| 01:17.09 | iceman | greycat: thanks |
| 01:17.38 | greycat | z36ra: tasksel may be missing some things. just use apt-get or aptitude or dselect |
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| 01:17.48 | greycat | z36ra: install x-window-system and whatever else you want |
| 01:18.09 | Kbyte | SerajewelKS: ok :) or put the file somewhere I can download it |
| 01:18.19 | z36ra | why did they take out stuff from tasksel? |
| 01:18.33 | greycat | z36ra: it's *testing*. it's *not done yet*. |
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| 01:19.58 | Kbyte | I listen about sarge ready in two months.... Is it true? |
| 01:20.09 | greycat | nobody knows. |
| 01:20.26 | MerlinCorey | Kbyte: but I think it's frozen now, iirc... |
| 01:20.35 | SerajewelKS | i think i'm running a woody kernel on sarge.. how do i update? |
| 01:20.43 | greycat | SerajewelKS: apt-get install kernel-image-whatever |
| 01:20.44 | z36ra | only if they fix tasksel... hehe |
| 01:20.55 | bnoah | Kbyte: i bet it will be out before longhorn |
| 01:21.02 | MerlinCorey | lol |
| 01:21.12 | SerajewelKS | greycat, should i get 2.4-series or 2.6? |
| 01:21.15 | z36ra | good one |
| 01:21.16 | Kbyte | bnoah: rofl :) |
| 01:21.21 | greycat | SerajewelKS: that's a matter of much debate. |
| 01:21.37 | Fluten | that must just make sarge much more interesting, since you never know when it's going to come ;) |
| 01:21.38 | greycat | some people love 2.6, some people don't trust it |
| 01:21.46 | zruty | 2.6 is very good, just don't get 2.6.8 |
| 01:21.51 | zruty | 2.6.7 seems pretty stable |
| 01:21.54 | SerajewelKS | greycat, okay i will stick with 2.4 then... should i do an apt-cache search on kernel-image and just pick the latest 2.4? |
| 01:21.58 | servus | What's wrong with 2.6.8? |
| 01:22.03 | zruty | no idea |
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| 01:22.09 | zruty | i just hear a lot of people complain |
| 01:22.11 | Fluten | ive used 2.6 before, and it had nfs problems |
| 01:22.12 | rich_ | Hello |
| 01:22.22 | servus | NFS works for me on 2.6.8 |
| 01:22.22 | Kbyte | servus: 2.6.8 has a grave net scheduler bug. |
| 01:22.23 | greycat | SerajewelKS: there's a "kernel-image-2.4-1-686" (or ...-k7 or whatever) package which is intended to "point to" the latest 2.4.x kernel for that CPU |
| 01:22.23 | Fluten | it would crash randomly and bring down my whole system |
| 01:22.33 | zruty | nfs is wonky on 2.6 |
| 01:22.38 | zruty | shame it's so slow on 2.4 |
| 01:22.40 | SerajewelKS | greycat, okay thanks |
| 01:22.48 | greycat | err, without the -1 |
| 01:22.48 | rich_ | Fluten Seems to me nfs was mentioned in the changelog of 2.6.8.1 |
| 01:22.52 | greycat | griffon:~$ apt-cache show kernel-image-2.4-k7 |
| 01:23.04 | zruty | anyone still working on fs's like coda? |
| 01:23.09 | SerajewelKS | k7 is what architecture? |
| 01:23.14 | servus | x86 |
| 01:23.18 | greycat | !k7 |
| 01:23.18 | dpkg | from memory, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. |
| 01:23.20 | Fluten | i might try coda soon |
| 01:23.28 | Fluten | for doing video capture over a lan |
| 01:23.36 | SerajewelKS | W: Unable to locate package kernel-image-2.4-i686 |
| 01:23.36 | Fluten | which i'm doubting would be possible |
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| 01:23.40 | greycat | 686 is pentium pro, pentium ii/iii/iv, pentium m |
| 01:23.46 | meik | hi |
| 01:23.49 | Fluten | since i heard of a 2GB limit in nfs |
| 01:23.52 | SerajewelKS | greycat, i have a celeron 766 |
| 01:23.57 | greycat | SerajewelKS: that's a 686 |
| 01:24.14 | SerajewelKS | greycat, and there is no kernel-image-2.4-i686 |
| 01:24.18 | zruty | actually it's probably a p3 coppermine |
| 01:24.18 | try_catch_this | my sound hasnt woked since I got linux is ther any thing I can do to fix this? Its a samgsung digital audio integrated chip |
| 01:24.29 | SerajewelKS | yes it's a coppermine |
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| 01:24.38 | zruty | 686, but p3 coppermine would have better optimization |
| 01:24.44 | SerajewelKS | try_catch_this, install the appropriate kernel module |
| 01:24.50 | comex | fixed font looks really messed up on size 13 |
| 01:25.04 | SerajewelKS | model name : Celeron (Coppermine) |
| 01:25.07 | greycat | !info kernel-image-2.4-686 sarge |
| 01:25.11 | dpkg | kernel-image-2.4-686: (Linux kernel image for version 2.4 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.), section base, is optional. Version: 2.4.27-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 12 kB |
| 01:25.17 | SerajewelKS | oh, it's just 686 |
| 01:25.24 | SerajewelKS | i'm used to i686 coming from redhat |
| 01:25.25 | exobyte | can I run an x app, even if x isn't installed? I did ssh in with x forwarding and enable it in the config |
| 01:25.29 | MerlinCorey | try_catch_this: /msg dpkg snd, iirc |
| 01:25.35 | Kbyte | SerajewelKS: Good - your configure finished. Start make now.... The sources works for me... |
| 01:25.41 | SerajewelKS | is there a kernel optimized for celeron? |
| 01:25.41 | MerlinCorey | soz |
| 01:25.42 | meik | please, I've a problem. one hour ago, my laptop booted cleanly, a crash occured, and now, when I boot, it says "kernel panic: vfs: unable to mount root fs on 03:01" |
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| 01:25.49 | MerlinCorey | try_catch_this: /msg dpkg sound |
| 01:25.53 | try_catch_this | ok |
| 01:26.03 | SerajewelKS | meik, sounds like your filesystem got damaged |
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| 01:26.16 | SerajewelKS | meik, boot from the debian CD and run fsck on the filesystem |
| 01:26.29 | meik | debian was already installed when I bought it (sold by a friend who used linux debian) |
| 01:26.38 | greycat | SerajewelKS: if the 686 optimizations aren't good enough for you, you should build a custom kernel |
| 01:26.40 | SerajewelKS | meik, get the CD from him =) |
| 01:26.41 | meik | but I don't have the rescue disk |
| 01:26.54 | zruty | SerajewelKS: not out of the box. you can recompile with coppermine opt. it's not dramatic, but every bit helps |
| 01:26.56 | SerajewelKS | greycat, 686 is fine, just wondering if there was a kernel prebuilt for coppermine |
| 01:27.00 | meik | yeah but now I'm @home, about 800km from him |
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| 01:27.17 | SerajewelKS | meik, download the first debian CD |
| 01:27.18 | deadcat | meik: hehe. i sold my debian laptop to a friend as well. but the laptop doesnt even have cdrom/floppy hehehe |
| 01:27.23 | carrett | hi, i'm on a network and a person on my network with a mac os x computer wants to print with mine (i386 debian gnu/linux with cups) how can i let this person print with my printer? |
| 01:27.37 | SerajewelKS | carrett, i'd try samba first |
| 01:28.10 | greycat | SerajewelKS: for Mac OS X? no, I'd go with berkeley lpd protocol |
| 01:28.10 | meik | SerajewelKS: the box with my cd burner is dead, in fact I just want to know if that's possible to boot with some kind of fsck |
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| 01:28.28 | meik | in order to repair my fs |
| 01:28.37 | SerajewelKS | greycat, okay, i use samba so i recommend it =) |
| 01:28.37 | meik | (I'm totally now to debian :() |
| 01:28.39 | greycat | meik: boot from whatever you installed with |
| 01:28.43 | deadcat | meik: you have a live cd around? |
| 01:28.48 | SerajewelKS | meik, not if you can't mount / |
| 01:29.02 | meik | hmm I think not |
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| 01:29.05 | deadcat | meik: maybe your friend set you up. (= |
| 01:29.24 | carrett | greycat, so should i install slpd? that's all that came up when i searched for lpd |
| 01:29.37 | meik | and what about the rescue disks ? |
| 01:29.38 | greycat | carrett: how are you printing now? |
| 01:29.43 | carrett | greycat, cups |
| 01:29.52 | greycat | I'm sure cups can share its printers on the LAN |
| 01:29.57 | greycat | I just have no idea how :/ |
| 01:30.04 | kingsley | What happened to Debian's "cdwrite" email list? Its archives are empty... |
| 01:30.15 | carrett | greycat, in admin or something i would imagine...i'll take a more in-depth look at cupsys docs. |
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| 01:30.37 | SerajewelKS | methinks i should install cups |
| 01:30.55 | carrett | SerajewelKS, i recommend it. |
| 01:31.02 | carrett | SerajewelKS, it's fairly easy to set up and use |
| 01:31.07 | carrett | SerajewelKS, in my experience at least |
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| 01:33.49 | Form | hello |
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| 01:34.05 | MerlinCorey | hi.. |
| 01:34.06 | Taichi | hi |
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| 01:34.09 | Form | is there an easy way to see which configs in /etc I have edited and/or to replace them? |
| 01:34.33 | MerlinCorey | Form: check dates with ls ..? |
| 01:34.48 | Taichi | there's a way to do it with dpkg |
| 01:34.59 | Taichi | but, i'm not sure how |
| 01:35.04 | Form | MerlinCorey: I like what Taichi said better |
| 01:35.06 | tcsetattr | Form, maybe debsums |
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| 01:35.41 | Form | k |
| 01:35.51 | Form | suppose I want a certain file restored |
| 01:35.56 | zack | is it normal for a dvd drive to not have a /dev/scd* associated with it? my drive has decided to stop working in debian, though it still works in knoppix. |
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| 01:36.13 | Taichi | Form: you'd have to pull it out of the original debian package |
| 01:36.14 | Form | how could I best fetch the file from archives or whatever and install it? |
| 01:36.16 | Form | yep |
| 01:36.24 | Form | what's an easy way though? |
| 01:36.26 | Taichi | zack: yes |
| 01:36.33 | Form | --reinstall doesn't seem to work like I expected |
| 01:36.38 | Taichi | zack: dvd drives are ide devices |
| 01:36.44 | Taichi | and appear as /dev/hdx |
| 01:36.53 | Taichi | the only reason it would be scd* |
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| 01:37.11 | Taichi | would be because hdx=ide-scsi was passed to the kernel at boottime |
| 01:37.14 | zack | Taichi, hmm... /dev/hdc is the device, which is symlinked to dvd via a udev rule... |
| 01:37.19 | deepfrze | Form, dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 01:37.19 | Taichi | which i believe knoppix does, to allow for cd burning |
| 01:37.23 | MerlinCorey | Form: just throwing ideas out :) |
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| 01:37.52 | z36ra | grey: will i have to configure X? |
| 01:37.55 | Taichi | anyone here using exim4? |
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| 01:38.10 | zack | just exim here |
| 01:38.45 | Taichi | damn |
| 01:38.56 | Taichi | i want to use a lot of the features in exim4 |
| 01:39.02 | Taichi | but i haven't got a goddamn clue how to use it |
| 01:39.07 | mentor | haha |
| 01:39.09 | Taichi | and the exim docs don't help me that much |
| 01:39.11 | Nurbs | lol |
| 01:39.17 | Nurbs | maybe if you read them? :) |
| 01:39.23 | Taichi | (or i'm just incapable of reading them) |
| 01:39.32 | mentor | Taichi: Start small and keep adding features having a working setup at each step. |
| 01:39.35 | Form | deepfrze: dpkg-reconfigure doesn't do what I want probably |
| 01:39.48 | Form | deepfrze: I need to restore default shipped configs |
| 01:40.11 | Nurbs | Form: purge and reinstall |
| 01:40.21 | Taichi | Form: dpkg --purge <packagename> && dpkg -i package.deb |
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| 01:40.46 | Form | not gonna work for critical packages I reckon |
| 01:40.52 | Nurbs | what package? |
| 01:40.53 | exobyte | I'm trying to recompile the kernel, but I'm getting this error when I make modules_install. Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27/kernel/drivers/ide/ide-core.o |
| 01:41.19 | Moo | How do I get my X work in 1600x1200@85? I tried to reconfigure X but it didn't seem to work |
| 01:41.21 | Taichi | Nurbs: is there any other exim documentation or howtos, apart from those that come with it/those on exim.org? |
| 01:41.31 | Nurbs | Taichi: google? |
| 01:41.48 | Taichi | Nurbs: been looking, i haven't found a lot outside of forum posts |
| 01:41.56 | Taichi | or stuff that deals with exim3 |
| 01:42.00 | Nurbs | there should be lots of howtos |
| 01:42.16 | deadcat | Moo: maybe your mon cant handle it? |
| 01:42.17 | Nurbs | well, you can probably extrapolate a lot to 4 :) |
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| 01:42.27 | holo | Moo, maybe haven't got the correct hsync and vsync ranges .. try know your screen model specifications |
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